The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1230 - Killer Mike

00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:04.000 Boom.

00:00:05.000 So I took a four and a half hour ride down to San Diego because my friend Brendan was filming a Showtime special.

00:00:11.000 Yeah.

00:00:12.000 And it was Run the Jewels the entire way down and back.

00:00:15.000 Thank you, man.

00:00:15.000 It was awesome.

00:00:16.000 Thank you.

00:00:17.000 I wish I could work out as hard as people work out to our music.

00:00:23.000 Seriously, man.

00:00:23.000 I've lost 31 pounds, but I'd be 90 pounds down easy now.

00:00:26.000 That was one of the things I was saying.

00:00:27.000 This is workout music.

00:00:29.000 Yeah, it is.

00:00:30.000 It is. 0.74

00:00:31.000 And Al and I are chubby as two fat little bears.

00:00:34.000 Well, you were saying you lost 31 pounds.

00:00:36.000 Yeah, 31 down.

00:00:37.000 I may be picked up three over the holidays, but I'm on my path.

00:00:41.000 I really am.

00:00:42.000 Shouts out to Al Claiborne, who's from out here, who's a hell of a trainer.

00:00:45.000 If I had his discipline, I'd already be 100 pounds down, but the goal is 100 in the next 18 months.

00:00:50.000 You can do it.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, I know.

00:00:52.000 100%.

00:00:52.000 I just eat bad and got lazy.

00:00:55.000 Yeah, but you know what, man?

00:00:57.000 It's one of those things where if you can stick with it for 90 days, it'll become a part of your life.

00:01:01.000 Well, that's the goal.

00:01:02.000 That's the goal.

00:01:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:03.000 And I'm about it.

00:01:05.000 Because I like meat, so I still get to eat meat, and I like green stuff, and I don't like salad dressing.

00:01:10.000 So I think it's going to be relatively easy for me.

00:01:12.000 Yeah, like olive oil and vinegar does not taste bad.

00:01:16.000 Bro, I don't even use that.

00:01:17.000 Like when I have a salad, when my wife makes salad, she literally will make the salad. 1.00

00:01:20.000 She may add a little goat cheese or not.

00:01:23.000 She'll throw some chicken or some steak on there. 0.94

00:01:25.000 But if it's fruit in the salad, I don't need any salad dressing.

00:01:28.000 Just throw some strawberries or some apples or something.

00:01:30.000 Something to just give me that spry of juice and I'm good.

00:01:33.000 Now, if I could figure out doing that three to four times a day versus the one meal I'm with my wife and then eating like trash in the studio, I'll be great.

00:01:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:39.000 That's the problem is when the temptation rolls in, you see burgers and fries, you just go fuck it. 1.00

00:01:44.000 You see a Coca-Cola, a real Coke. 1.00

00:01:47.000 Yeah, that really is it for me.

00:01:49.000 I had to quit sodas.

00:01:50.000 They're the worst.

00:01:51.000 Which brings me to Crippacola.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, so what is Crippacola?

00:01:55.000 You gave me two bottles of it, but I wanted to keep it in the refrigerator.

00:01:57.000 I wanted to enjoy it in its perfect temperature.

00:01:59.000 Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola, RC-Cola, anything with cola, right?

00:02:04.000 Yeah.

00:02:05.000 We're good to go.

00:02:27.000 But these kids that are members of these little punk-ass street fraternities, essentially gangs, we criminalize and villainize a bunch of teenagers who simply don't have anything to do.

00:02:36.000 They don't have jobs.

00:02:37.000 They don't have skills.

00:02:38.000 They don't have organization.

00:02:39.000 They don't have police athletic league like they used to.

00:02:41.000 They don't have people engaging them.

00:02:43.000 We're good to go.

00:02:58.000 You create something like Cripicola and BPOP. And essentially what you're doing is creating the same sugary shit that we all go buy and drink and we shouldn't. 0.99

00:03:06.000 And now we're giving the structure of, say, a Hell's Angels to say, yeah, you can say we're a criminal organization, but we still can sell you a fucking T-shirt because we're now paying our taxes, we're now employing people, and we're now doing what we're supposed to do. 0.97

00:03:19.000 And that's what I wanted to give you.

00:03:20.000 The gift of my friends who are members of Street Fraternities.

00:03:24.000 And we actually pulled it off at the show.

00:03:26.000 These guys actually managed to bring something in microcosm to the market in Atlanta.

00:03:31.000 It did well enough for us to keep continuing doing it.

00:03:34.000 And I want to see how far it can go.

00:03:35.000 And what's in it?

00:03:36.000 Sugar, water, artificial, what is it?

00:03:41.000 Food color and flavor, and that's it.

00:03:42.000 I think it's six ingredients total.

00:03:44.000 Do you know what Zevia is? 0.99

00:03:46.000 You ever fuck with Zevia? 1.00

00:03:47.000 You mean the fake sugar stuff you use? 1.00

00:03:49.000 No, Zevia is soft drinks that are made with Stevia.

00:03:52.000 Yeah, but the thing is, like, you know what I found out with me with sugar?

00:03:56.000 It's either just do it or don't.

00:03:58.000 Like, for me, it's easier to do things that are actually a real just sugar, like a Mexican Coke, or just have, you know, some carbonated water with lemons in it.

00:04:06.000 I don't do well with the imitation.

00:04:07.000 It's kind of like getting a handjob. 0.91

00:04:09.000 I want the whole thing. 0.97

00:04:10.000 I know what you're saying, but this stuff is good.

00:04:13.000 It's different.

00:04:13.000 I've had some.

00:04:14.000 My man Pooh Bear, who asked for Justin P. Reese, did it.

00:04:16.000 It's just, I am such an addict of sugar.

00:04:19.000 You want the real thing.

00:04:20.000 Yeah, so it doesn't make sense for me sometimes to tempt myself.

00:04:23.000 So you just drink water? 0.91

00:04:24.000 I do a lot of water now, a lot more water now, and I do a lot of club soda with lime, which I used to talk shit to LP about. 0.99

00:04:33.000 I mean, you're drinking white guy drinks. 0.98

00:04:35.000 And now, El is ordering a fucking, you know, he's ordering a drink drink, and I'm just like, y'all take a club soda and lie. 0.99

00:04:42.000 That's good, man. 0.99

00:04:43.000 If you could stick on that path.

00:04:44.000 Shouts out to my man, Bear Loke, who is a friend and mentor.

00:04:48.000 A lot of times, you might see a guy with me who does security.

00:04:52.000 Bear introduced me to Shaolin Kung Fu.

00:04:54.000 He was basically kicking and punching and moving around.

00:04:56.000 He also introduced me to a lot of the guests that are on your show.

00:05:00.000 Including, you know, guests that talk about intermittent fasting, that talks about getting rid of the sugars and stuff.

00:05:05.000 And he just loves me like a big brother, so he keeps me in tune with what's going on.

00:05:09.000 He's the person that actually introduced me to Stevia.

00:05:11.000 Always good to know a guy like that.

00:05:12.000 He's got his finger in the pulse.

00:05:14.000 I like to know people that are smarter than me, so I don't have to learn as much.

00:05:17.000 I can just go to them with questions.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:05:20.000 That's the move.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, I don't like being the smartest guy.

00:05:22.000 No.

00:05:23.000 Well, I don't have that choice.

00:05:25.000 That option's not possible.

00:05:26.000 You need to get another rule with your smarts. 1.00

00:05:28.000 Yeah, well, fuck that. 1.00

00:05:31.000 Yeah, I mean, talking to Elon Musk on the show about that, when he was talking to me about the thoughts that are bouncing around inside of his head that he can't control. 1.00

00:05:39.000 And then it's always been his whole life, like, you wouldn't want to be me.

00:05:42.000 I was like, Jesus Christ, I'm just thinking about it. 0.96

00:05:44.000 I thought I did something cool smoking with Mar, and that was definitely cool, but you getting Elon Musk to fucking smoke is classic stoner history in the making right there. 0.81

00:05:52.000 Yeah, the thing about it is, if I had any idea that people would react to it that way... 0.65

00:06:00.000 I mean, I would just do that on a normal show.

00:06:02.000 That's normal.

00:06:02.000 It's California.

00:06:03.000 It's legal.

00:06:04.000 We smoke weed.

00:06:04.000 It's no big deal.

00:06:05.000 It's fun.

00:06:07.000 It's like a camaraderie thing.

00:06:09.000 I think so.

00:06:10.000 I think so.

00:06:11.000 Everybody's sharing space together.

00:06:12.000 It's a peace pipe of sorts.

00:06:14.000 Absolutely.

00:06:14.000 It's one of the only things you sip off that another man's lips touched.

00:06:18.000 Like, everybody does it.

00:06:19.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.000 Well, women too, but we just don't admit to ourselves that there's another guy.

00:06:26.000 That's true.

00:06:27.000 But that's like, it's been washed.

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:30.000 This is like joint to person.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, no wash.

00:06:34.000 Like if someone wanted to give you a haul off of their cigar, try this. 0.99

00:06:37.000 You'd be like, get the fuck out of here. 0.97

00:06:39.000 I've actually had, Noriega did that to me. 0.99

00:06:42.000 Manuel Noriega?

00:06:43.000 No, not Manuel Noriega.

00:06:44.000 Noriega's a rapper.

00:06:45.000 Victor Santiago. 1.00

00:06:46.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:06:47.000 Yeah, I definitely would smoke. 1.00

00:06:48.000 You're smoking cigars at Noriega?

00:06:49.000 I wish. 1.00

00:06:49.000 Goddamn. 1.00

00:06:49.000 I would have smoked cigars and done coke, and I'm not a cocaine user, but I would have definitely. 1.00

00:06:54.000 My wife talked about going to Colombia, and I said, honey, I've never said this to you.

00:06:57.000 She said, what?

00:06:58.000 I said, if we're going to Colombia, we're going to do cocaine.

00:07:03.000 I said, of all the places in the world, I said no to cocaine everywhere, from Dubai to Denver. 1.00

00:07:08.000 But in Colombia, I say, fuck it. 1.00

00:07:10.000 We're here. 1.00

00:07:11.000 We're at the source.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, when you're in Hawaii, you eat poi.

00:07:13.000 You know?

00:07:16.000 You go to a luau.

00:07:18.000 I would try for sure those leaves, the chewing of the leaves.

00:07:21.000 The coca leaves.

00:07:22.000 And Peru, as you ascend up the mountain.

00:07:24.000 Shouts out to Immortal Technique, my Peruvian raw rap friend.

00:07:27.000 I love that dude.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:07:29.000 He's a good man.

00:07:29.000 He's been on a couple times.

00:07:31.000 He's a great guy.

00:07:32.000 I'm a great human being, man.

00:07:33.000 Dude, that guy brought me a plate of his grandma's food to the podcast studio.

00:07:38.000 That's how...

00:07:39.000 Down home that dude is.

00:07:41.000 He's one of the best human beings.

00:07:42.000 A plate of food.

00:07:44.000 He's a great human, man.

00:07:45.000 Like, he's a great...

00:07:46.000 Like, that's more the stuff I'm saying people need to do instead of arguing ideas and extremes.

00:07:51.000 You need to get with people who don't look like you or not culturally alike. 1.00

00:07:54.000 Yeah.

00:07:55.000 And you need to allow them to do things like that because that creates friendships, empathy, and builds bridges instead of burning.

00:08:00.000 Well, he's just a real dude.

00:08:02.000 He is.

00:08:02.000 He's a real dude.

00:08:03.000 Like, who he is...

00:08:04.000 I mean, that is who he is.

00:08:06.000 He's got...

00:08:07.000 Very strict ethics in his mind.

00:08:09.000 He's essentially, he's like a soldier, you know, in terms of how he thinks and operates and takes care of his people and moves.

00:08:16.000 You know, he took me on my first tour with rap music.

00:08:20.000 Well, rap music, before me and Elle went out together, I went out with him.

00:08:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:08:25.000 And we ran to the South together.

00:08:26.000 And he was just pro all the way.

00:08:28.000 And we became friends.

00:08:29.000 And I just love him to death now.

00:08:30.000 And I'd go to war with him any day.

00:08:32.000 Yeah, he's a great dude.

00:08:33.000 I've hung out with him a few times.

00:08:35.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 Like him a lot.

00:08:36.000 He came to my mother's funeral, God bless his soul.

00:08:38.000 Did he really?

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 I believe that.

00:08:40.000 That sounds like him.

00:08:41.000 Yeah.

00:08:42.000 Yeah, there's good people out there, man.

00:08:44.000 Even in show business. 0.65

00:08:45.000 Wacky-ass show business.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, there are good people in show business.

00:08:49.000 None of the people in the offices you can trust, but the talent, we're okay.

00:08:52.000 Yeah, well, even in the offices, there's some good folks out there.

00:08:56.000 There's some good agents and good people.

00:08:57.000 They get a bad rap.

00:08:58.000 You know what it is, man? 0.99

00:08:59.000 It's just fucking hard. 0.94

00:09:01.000 Can you imagine how hard it is, and you know how hard it is, to make it in entertainment as a performer, right? 0.97

00:09:07.000 You know your path. 0.94

00:09:08.000 It's fucking difficult for everybody. 0.97

00:09:10.000 Now imagine you have to rely on other people performing. 0.98

00:09:13.000 Yeah.

00:09:14.000 And you have to pick the winners?

00:09:16.000 You gotta figure out who's gonna work for you? 0.99

00:09:18.000 A bunch of addicts and emos. 0.63

00:09:19.000 Like, in terms of the talent. 0.79

00:09:21.000 Like, we're...

00:09:22.000 I know I give my managers headaches three, four days a week.

00:09:24.000 God bless their souls.

00:09:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:26.000 I know I do.

00:09:27.000 I really...

00:09:28.000 Like, my friend today who's with me, he's a promoter.

00:09:31.000 Eric Milhouse.

00:09:32.000 When I met him, we were doing a show.

00:09:34.000 We were booked to do a show.

00:09:36.000 Me and another artist.

00:09:37.000 Well, the other artist's contract didn't say pay regardless.

00:09:40.000 Mine said pay regardless. 0.99

00:09:41.000 So after the show, I'm like, where's my fucking money? 0.99

00:09:44.000 And everyone's like, what are you talking about? 0.99

00:09:46.000 You don't get paid? 0.99

00:09:47.000 I'm like, no, it was my fucking money. 0.99

00:09:48.000 Or I think it may have been before, like I'm not going on. 0.99

00:09:51.000 And he ends up snatching me in another office like, look, I'm going to fucking pay you. 0.99

00:09:56.000 Don't tell the other fucking guy. 1.00

00:09:57.000 Oh, Jesus. 1.00

00:09:58.000 And that's how we became friends. 0.98

00:10:00.000 I took my money, acted like I didn't get paid, talked shit about him in front of the other guy, and then called him later like, man, I don't know what the fuck made you hold cold, but thank you, and we've been friends. 0.94

00:10:10.000 And so when he called me and said, you're going to Joe Rogan's experience, I'm like, you're coming with me. 0.96

00:10:13.000 That's hilarious.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, those sketchy gigs where you're not sure if you're going to get paid.

00:10:18.000 I know, bro.

00:10:19.000 It's part of the business.

00:10:19.000 It's the chitlin circuit.

00:10:20.000 It's like me and T.I. playing Montgomery, Alabama in 2003. Wow.

00:10:25.000 The chitlin circuit.

00:10:27.000 Wow.

00:10:28.000 It's fun.

00:10:28.000 The chitlin circuit is fun.

00:10:29.000 I will advise anyone who likes street rap to get to the South and get to one of those small clubs where anybody's accepted and just go watch those kids as they grow up.

00:10:40.000 You're going to see some hell of our shows, man.

00:10:42.000 Now, how does a manager find a rapper? 0.99

00:10:44.000 How does an agent find a rapper?

00:10:45.000 How does that work?

00:10:46.000 It works a lot.

00:10:47.000 Do they go to the local shows?

00:10:48.000 Yeah, local shows.

00:10:49.000 I will say, like in Atlanta, Meech and Key, who both manage their management for 21 Savage, they've been on the Atlanta scene for years cultivating young talent, whether it was Grip Plies, Rest in Peace.

00:11:05.000 Two-Nine, which was another group out of Atlanta.

00:11:07.000 And all these kids were dope.

00:11:08.000 You know, some worked out, some didn't.

00:11:10.000 Gripped out of cancer, unfortunately.

00:11:12.000 Two-Nine, the members went their separate ways, but still are making dope music.

00:11:16.000 But then they found a kid in 21 that they managed to help get to the next plateau.

00:11:19.000 And congrats to 21. They had a number one album a couple weeks.

00:11:22.000 But management usually comes from a group of people who care and just want to see someone they're a fan of be treated well in the industry.

00:11:29.000 So I really applaud music managers.

00:11:31.000 Because like you say, placing your own fate in your own hands is one thing. 0.99

00:11:35.000 Placing it in the fate of an emotional addict, which a lot of times the act can be, including myself, oh shit. 0.99

00:11:42.000 That's a rollercoaster ride. 0.99

00:11:44.000 That's a hard job.

00:11:46.000 The stress of other people performing is brutal.

00:11:49.000 Yeah.

00:11:49.000 My publicist, God bless her soul, I thought I killed her a couple of times this year.

00:11:56.000 I have two publicists, a white woman in Catherine, who's done a lot of music publishing.

00:12:02.000 And then when I start talking about topics, I have a black woman in Jennifer Farmer, who's a great publicist, but she's also a publicist for former Senator of Ohio, Nina Turner, and mega church pastors. 0.99

00:12:12.000 So she's helping me keep my image clean, but she doesn't want me getting on television talking about doing cocaine. 0.73

00:12:19.000 And smoking joints.

00:12:20.000 And I don't do cocaine, but it's like, if I go to a club, yeah, I do coke.

00:12:22.000 And you could just see her face sink behind the screen. 0.97

00:12:25.000 Oh, my God.

00:12:26.000 And churches are calling.

00:12:27.000 They're like, this guy supports AR-15.

00:12:29.000 So I thank you, Jennifer, for tolerating me.

00:12:32.000 But she's got to understand that that's also a part of why people like you.

00:12:36.000 Yeah, she does.

00:12:37.000 It's just something to deal with that work.

00:12:40.000 I get it.

00:12:41.000 I get it.

00:12:42.000 I wouldn't want to be her.

00:12:43.000 But you have to do what you do.

00:12:46.000 That's part of what makes you fun.

00:12:48.000 Absolutely.

00:12:49.000 People know what they're going to get, what it is.

00:12:52.000 There's no filter.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, you got it.

00:12:55.000 Somebody has to shake the box a little bit.

00:12:59.000 Somebody has to be the kid that's willing to poke the hornet's nest just to see how many will fly out.

00:13:03.000 Two of my greatest heroes, when black people usually talk about heroes, we talk about Martin Malcolm, Elijah Muhammad, Marcus Garvey.

00:13:12.000 But two of my biggest heroes coming up were Luther Campbell and Larry Flint.

00:13:20.000 Because in my lifetime, I saw Luther Campbell and Larry Flint fight the government on behalf of the American people's right to say whatever they wanted to say.

00:13:29.000 So at the same time in my formative years, I was learning to love the Bill of Rights, the preamble in the United States Constitution.

00:13:36.000 I got a chance to see people fight for my right.

00:13:40.000 And I couldn't wait to be a rapper just so I could curse and buy my own titty books.

00:13:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:45.000 And those people have shaped my life in terms of love of freedom and liberties as much as a Thurgood Marshall, as much as a Barbara Jordan, as much as a Shirley Chisholm.

00:14:01.000 I like the fact you talk on social issues, but why do you always feel necessary to talk about smoking weed in strip clubs?

00:14:07.000 I say because that's what I really do.

00:14:09.000 And I never want someone to be able from the other side to say, don't like this guy because he smokes marijuana and goes to strip clubs.

00:14:14.000 I want whoever they say that to to say, yeah, and he goes with his wife and they smoke together.

00:14:18.000 I don't want it to be some secret.

00:14:20.000 I want people to understand that when I want you to be free, I don't want you to be free to agree to see the world the way I do.

00:14:27.000 I want you to be free to live as you would like to live so long as it doesn't infringe on me and others.

00:14:31.000 That's supposed to be what this is all about.

00:14:33.000 That's supposed to be what this country's all about.

00:14:35.000 That's what Miss Ellison told me in high school.

00:14:38.000 Well, the Luther Campbell thing was so strange because it was that one area in Florida, right, where they had very strict blasphemy laws.

00:14:45.000 They've tried porn stars there before. 0.98

00:14:48.000 They tried some male porn star who was doing some really fucked up videos. 0.99

00:14:52.000 They tried him down there for obscenity and they had him locked up. 0.99

00:14:56.000 You know, it's very conservative.

00:14:58.000 And they just decided that the two live crew was just too much.

00:15:01.000 They were drawing a line in the sand.

00:15:03.000 It's a crazy thing to do when something's very popular.

00:15:08.000 Yeah, but they also make examples out of the popular. 1.00

00:15:12.000 I just found out what the monkey on the stick thing meant, what apparently monkeys are an idiot. 0.99

00:15:17.000 Wild out, so farmers will kill one monkey and put his head on the stick so other monkeys will know, hey, this is dangerous to do, right? 0.97

00:15:23.000 So essentially, famous people, me, you, Luther Campbell, Lenny Bruce, Rodney Dangerfield, Andrew Dice Clay, Richard Pryor, what you become is something to symbolize what will happen if you dare step out of line of social order.

00:15:39.000 So your head being on a stick is less about actually charging you for crimes and more about keeping the rest of the public in fear.

00:15:47.000 It's a lynching.

00:15:48.000 A lot of times we don't want to say that, but it really is.

00:15:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:51.000 So do you think they see something like Two Live Crew come up, they never had a rap band, like any kind of band like Two Live Crew, right?

00:15:57.000 And then they're worried, what's next? 0.99

00:15:59.000 They'll snip the shit in the bud. 1.00

00:16:00.000 They'll snip it in the bud. 1.00

00:16:01.000 Put the head on the stick.

00:16:02.000 Put the head on the stick, right there in the yard.

00:16:04.000 And thank God, Luke fought.

00:16:06.000 I can remember Channel 2 or 5, ABC or CBS, and they were...

00:16:11.000 They were getting off the plane in my town.

00:16:13.000 I'm a kid watching this.

00:16:14.000 I'm 12, 13 years old.

00:16:15.000 And the news reporters just went TMZ style, just put it in their face.

00:16:20.000 And I can remember Brother Marquise just pulling up a Playboy magazine in titties, being right there on the screen.

00:16:25.000 I'm like, yes, because it's live TV. And the reporter almost dropped the camera, you know, trying to get it out.

00:16:31.000 But that's what made me love...

00:16:33.000 The United States Constitution in matters of freedom of speech.

00:16:36.000 Because I got a chance to see it fought for and exercised right there before me as I was learning about it.

00:16:42.000 Isn't it interesting that really what we're concerned with too is visuals.

00:16:45.000 We're not concerned with what people write down.

00:16:48.000 We're concerned with what people say.

00:16:50.000 But we're not like, you could write that in a book and no one, you could write his lyrics in a book and no one would get mad at that book.

00:16:58.000 Something about them singing it and people singing along to it.

00:17:01.000 People are like, this is it.

00:17:02.000 We've got to stop.

00:17:03.000 Civilization's falling apart.

00:17:04.000 We've got to stop this.

00:17:05.000 Yeah, well, I mean, you know, songs, vibrations, humming, you know, meditation, you hum, you know, that rhythm changes things, you know, and it opens your mind.

00:17:14.000 It clears you.

00:17:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:15.000 Had it not been for an artist like Lil' Kim, would you have feminism in the way you have now?

00:17:21.000 Would you have women gladly celebrating their sexuality and bodies if it wasn't for her? 1.00

00:17:25.000 She never gets the credit.

00:17:26.000 Do you think people know how extravagant she was in her time?

00:17:31.000 I think she doesn't get the credit she deserves.

00:17:34.000 I think women know that it became safe for them to be sexually aggressive and free because of her. 1.00

00:17:39.000 The women that, you know, were coming of age in her time. 0.99

00:17:42.000 But I don't think, in retrospect...

00:17:45.000 Because rap's young.

00:17:46.000 Rap's only 45, 46 years old.

00:17:49.000 I just think it's getting to the point where we appreciate what we've accomplished.

00:17:53.000 So Lil' Kim is going to become more celebrated as the years go on.

00:17:57.000 Her, Trina, Kaya, Choice, Boss, like so many.

00:18:02.000 Hip-hop has been a very fair game to women a very long time. 0.62

00:18:06.000 Whether people want to know it or not, you've always had the call and response records in hip-hop. 0.97

00:18:11.000 I get on there, I'm the baddest motherfucker in the world, and then a girl pops up behind you. 1.00

00:18:14.000 Nah, motherfucker, I'm bad. 1.00

00:18:15.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:18:16.000 Those records have been around forever.

00:18:18.000 So we've always promoted equality because it made money, it made sense.

00:18:23.000 And women with the audience, too.

00:18:25.000 It's pretty amazing that hip-hop is really only 40-something years old.

00:18:28.000 When you really stop and think about that it's one of the primary sources of music in the world.

00:18:34.000 If you think about how many songs are being published, how many songs people are listening to and enjoying right now, how many of those are rap? 0.98

00:18:41.000 That's a fucking giant number, man. 0.95

00:18:43.000 If you could look at the whole country right now, and just a little light goes off when it's a rap song that's playing. 0.99

00:18:49.000 And if you listen to Willa Walker Jr., Willa Walker says the rest of country music is just biting rap and acting like they are.

00:18:56.000 Well, I think it was a little bit of that, but I think at one point in time, it was a little that a lot of rappers would look at guys like Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash and old school gangster country guys.

00:19:07.000 Outlaw Country is way different from today.

00:19:09.000 I love Outlaw Country. 0.97

00:19:10.000 You can't tell me Waylon Jennings, Chris Christopherson, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash aren't kicking ass. 0.99

00:19:15.000 Like, that's what the fuck is up, right? 0.99

00:19:16.000 But that's not the same as you allocating a Nelly beat to your song and talking about cowboy boots instead of Air Force One. 0.99

00:19:22.000 No.

00:19:23.000 Not the same.

00:19:23.000 There's something about the Allman Brothers, Midnight Rider, and Whippin' Post that's radically different than you just singing about your Ford and rafting on Saturdays with your chick.

00:19:34.000 Yeah, I don't think people even understand Tide to the Whipping Post.

00:19:38.000 You can't fake that song.

00:19:40.000 When they came at me about the NRA interview last year, every day I smoked a joint, woke up and laughed and listened to that record.

00:19:48.000 Like every single day.

00:19:50.000 I just wanted you guys to know it didn't bother me any.

00:19:52.000 My wife just told me to shut up talking to you all. 0.81

00:19:55.000 We went shooting a lot more and we played Almond Brothers Whipping Post every morning because I had to remind myself that this is normal.

00:20:02.000 That you're being done like this publicly because you're disagreeing with a system that people have agreed to that you don't agree to and it's okay not to agree. 0.94

00:20:10.000 So the Allman Brothers really got me through that segment and stopped me from punching a lot of bourgeoisie black people in the face. 1.00

00:20:18.000 Well, you're a proponent of your right to carry a gun. 0.70

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 And I'm a lover of the United States Constitution as a whole of all our rights and amendments.

00:20:26.000 But in particular, you know, the First and Second Amendment rights matter to me as an African American and as an American.

00:20:33.000 First and foremost, as an African-American, I've only been free 55 years.

00:20:37.000 My parents were born in apartheid.

00:20:39.000 And as an American, we are a country that broke off from what we felt like was the tyranny of a monarchy.

00:20:45.000 And we did that because farmers and guns dared to wage guerrilla warfare against, at that time, one of the largest armies and navies in the world.

00:20:53.000 So I honor that by continuing to be in the spirit of those farmers, you know, in the continuance of Christmas Attucks, the first person to die in the American Revolution, was a black man.

00:21:03.000 So for me, I would dishonor those patriots who started this country and Christmas Attucks, and I would dishonor the lineage as an African American who's only 55 years into freedom by giving government my gun back.

00:21:15.000 It's not something I believe in.

00:21:17.000 Government is people.

00:21:19.000 Part of the problem with giving government anything is that they're just people.

00:21:22.000 They're not something special.

00:21:23.000 Absolutely.

00:21:24.000 They're not flawless.

00:21:25.000 Absolutely.

00:21:25.000 You give people power over you.

00:21:27.000 I mean, this is not saying we should stockpile guns and point them at the government, but if people have guns, it's way harder to just take over cities.

00:21:36.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:21:36.000 That shit happens all the time in other countries. 0.99

00:21:39.000 It does happen. 1.00

00:21:40.000 Absolutely.

00:21:41.000 Where people get occupied.

00:21:42.000 Absolutely.

00:21:43.000 And governments turn on them.

00:21:45.000 Governments change the rules and places that were democracies are no longer so.

00:21:49.000 Absolutely.

00:21:50.000 That's real.

00:21:50.000 And we're never far from it.

00:21:52.000 As safe as you feel, you're never far from it.

00:21:54.000 But I think what we need more of is people like you that are a reasonable, very educated in the matter, very articulate person who comes from a place where they don't expect that argument to come from.

00:22:09.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:22:09.000 You know, like you think about left-wing people or Democratic people, progressive people, you always think, you know, you think about Democratic people overwhelmingly being appreciated by the black community, and you always associate them with being anti-gun.

00:22:22.000 Yeah.

00:22:22.000 That's a common thing.

00:22:23.000 So when a guy like you steps out and says, no, no, no, I think it's a disservice to take this right away.

00:22:30.000 Absolutely.

00:22:30.000 And if I didn't support it and fight for it.

00:22:32.000 I've been an African-American 40-something years now, right?

00:22:37.000 I have known Democrats primarily my entire life.

00:22:40.000 I'm from the South, in particular Southeast, Alabama, Georgia, Florida.

00:22:43.000 I have never known a black male Democrat that was working class that did not own a weapon. 0.98

00:22:50.000 So I'm going to follow the examples of my grandfather.

00:22:52.000 I'm not going to listen to the National Party and their rhetoric about de-arming the population.

00:22:57.000 I think obviously we could agree that we would all love it if we never needed guns.

00:23:00.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 Of course.

00:23:02.000 Right?

00:23:02.000 Of course.

00:23:03.000 Who wouldn't?

00:23:04.000 I'd rather not need it than be prepared, though.

00:23:05.000 Yes.

00:23:06.000 To not be prepared.

00:23:06.000 Sure.

00:23:07.000 Right?

00:23:08.000 Better to have it not to need it than need it not to have it.

00:23:11.000 And the part of the country I'm from and what you do often.

00:23:14.000 Like, I'm from a part of the country.

00:23:15.000 I grew up fishing, hunting, growing food.

00:23:16.000 My sister grows food.

00:23:17.000 Don't get to hunt as regularly now.

00:23:19.000 Still fish occasionally.

00:23:20.000 Shots out to Greg Street, one of our biggest TJs down there.

00:23:22.000 He's a great fisherman, right?

00:23:24.000 But this is as normal in my part of the country as not having straws and being able to smoke in public in places like LA. It's just not that big of a deal.

00:23:35.000 You know, in my mind state, a household should have five guns, right?

00:23:40.000 You should have a revolver, you should have a semi-automatic for infuring your wife carrying out, you know, in public. 0.99

00:23:44.000 You should have a shotgun, just because it's a great all-around gun to have, whether it's burglars or vermin, you know, and you should have bolt-action rifles. 1.00

00:23:51.000 So, of course, in case you've got to kill your meat, you should have a semi-automatic rifle, you know, defend against here and there just to fuck off on Sundays and show your homeboys who's dick bigger. 0.98

00:23:58.000 But what you should not do is give up your right to all weapons. 0.99

00:24:03.000 Yeah, or use them on people.

00:24:04.000 The thing about using them on people is that it's so rare but so horrific.

00:24:10.000 And so common for something that's so horrific.

00:24:12.000 And everybody's against it.

00:24:13.000 But I don't...

00:24:16.000 I don't understand how you would ever, by taking guns, I mean, you would have to take all the guns away to stop that from happening.

00:24:22.000 But how are you going to do it?

00:24:23.000 How are you going to do that?

00:24:23.000 Yeah, criminals aren't going to give up.

00:24:25.000 Of course not.

00:24:26.000 There's no way.

00:24:27.000 The regular people should probably not do that either.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, that's where it gets squirrely.

00:24:31.000 It's like, how are you going to get those guns from the criminals?

00:24:33.000 You're not.

00:24:33.000 You're not going to.

00:24:34.000 You're not going to.

00:24:35.000 It's a joke.

00:24:36.000 What we can do, though, and I would say as an owner, you get lazy sometimes, you don't train enough.

00:24:40.000 We should train more.

00:24:41.000 And that doesn't mean, you know, go try to be the quickest draw and you practice it, you know?

00:24:46.000 But what you want to do is make sure you know what you're doing with your weapon, make sure you know how to clean your weapon, make sure you know how to store your weapon.

00:24:52.000 And I took my son and my nephew, and I'm shooting.

00:24:55.000 I'm about to start taking my 11-year-old girl, Michael, shooting, because I want them to know what they do if they see a gun.

00:25:00.000 So we've already went through, what do you do if you're somewhere and you see a gun?

00:25:04.000 How do you get out of that situation, get other kids out of that situation, and let an adult know?

00:25:09.000 All that comes with it.

00:25:10.000 And the strange thing to me is that my mother, when she was in high school, was actually taught how to shoot a rifle, right?

00:25:18.000 Because the NRA, which is now vilified and hated for reasons, some deservedly so, some not, They used to have big programs in public schools to make sure that children knew firearm safety.

00:25:29.000 So my mother's school and other schools benefited from that.

00:25:32.000 I don't care if it was just that sheet of paper that told you gun safety before you went in a range.

00:25:36.000 That was just a piece of propaganda they did that was better for the overall public.

00:25:40.000 So I tend to say, as Americans, we've gotten away from stuff like trades in school.

00:25:44.000 We've gotten away from different options besides funneling our kids into college debt.

00:25:47.000 And we've also gotten away from basic training, such as balancing a checkbook, Basic home economics, how do you make a lasagna at home by yourself?

00:25:54.000 And stuff like gun shooting and archery.

00:25:57.000 I think that if those things return to public school, you get a safer, more confident student body. 0.98

00:26:03.000 You get a reduction on things like bullying and bullshit.

00:26:05.000 You get an increase on self-propelled interest of children, and you start to meet, to grow scholars that excel.

00:26:12.000 But do you...

00:26:14.000 How is it going to stop bullying just by knowing that more kids know how to use guns?

00:26:18.000 Guns don't stop bullying. 1.00

00:26:19.000 No, boxing class stops bullying.

00:26:21.000 Pimps, he said that.

00:26:22.000 No one wants to fight somebody that's going to fight back.

00:26:24.000 I think you're right.

00:26:25.000 I think for sure martial arts.

00:26:27.000 I know wrestling does it. 1.00

00:26:29.000 One thing it can do, though, is make people more aggressive initially.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:32.000 A lot of people just getting into it and learning how to fight a little bit.

00:26:35.000 I get that part.

00:26:35.000 It's like blue belt mentality.

00:26:36.000 That's why you get with your homies, though. 1.00

00:26:38.000 You go with your homies, though. 0.99

00:26:39.000 You and your homies are just beating the shit out of each other. 1.00

00:26:41.000 You're not picking on a kid at lunch. 0.99

00:26:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:43.000 Like me, Willie Spearman.

00:26:44.000 I remember sixth grade.

00:26:48.000 The thing is, though, man, you could hurt each other.

00:26:50.000 You could.

00:26:50.000 There's a horrible video.

00:26:51.000 Did you see the one that...

00:26:54.000 Who put it up?

00:26:59.000 What was it?

00:27:01.000 It was one of those fight breakdown videos.

00:27:03.000 Robin Black? 0.74

00:27:03.000 Yes, it was Robin Black. 0.74

00:27:05.000 Two Steves.

00:27:05.000 They get in a fight and one Steve KOs the other Steve.

00:27:08.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

00:27:09.000 Two dudes with boxing gloves on. 0.99

00:27:11.000 They're friends and one of them knew how to fight a little bit and the other one didn't know how to fight at all.

00:27:14.000 It knocks him out.

00:27:15.000 Don't do that to your heart.

00:27:16.000 His head bounces off the floor.

00:27:18.000 Yeah.

00:27:18.000 I think martial arts in general is great for kids to stop bullying because you don't have to worry.

00:27:24.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:27:24.000 Watch this shit. 1.00

00:27:26.000 This kid in the blue has no idea what he's doing. 1.00

00:27:28.000 That guy leans in with a jab.

00:27:29.000 Look at this.

00:27:30.000 Plap. 1.00

00:27:30.000 That is so fucked up. 1.00

00:27:32.000 It's so obvious that the dude... 1.00

00:27:34.000 He put his homie to sleep.

00:27:35.000 He knows how to fight.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:36.000 Even when he threw a jab, he leaned in on that jab.

00:27:40.000 Unless that guy is a real asshole that really needed that punch, that's a fucked up thing to do to your buddy. 1.00

00:27:47.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Like, look how this kid leans in.

00:27:50.000 Look how he leans in.

00:27:51.000 That kid knows how to jab.

00:27:53.000 That's a real jab.

00:27:54.000 And here it comes.

00:27:55.000 Awful.

00:27:55.000 Next snap, lights are about to go off.

00:27:57.000 That's bad for you kids.

00:27:59.000 And boom. 0.96

00:28:00.000 Blap.

00:28:01.000 Good timing there, too.

00:28:03.000 Kid drops it in.

00:28:03.000 Yo, did you see what I put up on my Instagram today?

00:28:05.000 There was a kid who looked like he was more of a boxer than a Kung Fu guy.

00:28:10.000 Oh, I did see it.

00:28:11.000 The guy sidekicked him in the jaw. 0.88

00:28:14.000 Was it jaw or was it chest?

00:28:15.000 It felt like he hit chest to kind of teach him.

00:28:17.000 I have to look at it.

00:28:19.000 I think he got him in the face.

00:28:21.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:28:22.000 I thought he got him in the neck area.

00:28:23.000 Bam.

00:28:24.000 Yeah, I think it's a little bit of high chest. 0.99

00:28:26.000 Yeah, but he humbled the shit out of him. 0.99

00:28:28.000 And then he smiled and patted him on his back. 0.99

00:28:30.000 Front leg sidekick.

00:28:31.000 Wow.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, he did it smooth.

00:28:35.000 That's one of my favorite moves.

00:28:36.000 There's a big guy. 0.99

00:28:37.000 People never see just a great kick to the gut coming and getting the fuck out of the way. 0.99

00:28:42.000 Just let me get out of here. 1.00

00:28:43.000 That's how you get out of those chitlin' circuit clubs when the whole club is trying to kill you.

00:28:47.000 How many of those situations have you ever been in?

00:28:49.000 A good three!

00:28:52.000 Two, it was our fault.

00:28:53.000 Me and my crew.

00:28:54.000 Really? 1.00

00:28:54.000 And two, we were just in the middle of some bullshit. 1.00

00:28:56.000 We didn't know what was going on. 0.99

00:28:57.000 We had to get out of that club.

00:28:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:59.000 Oof.

00:28:59.000 But yeah, that's the only thing about the chitlin circuit.

00:29:03.000 Fun times, great groupies, bags of money, but you could die.

00:29:08.000 Now, how do you guys start out?

00:29:10.000 Do you start out, like, is there an open mic night or something, if a guy wants to become a rapper?

00:29:14.000 How do you get going?

00:29:15.000 Well, there's a lot of different ways.

00:29:17.000 I'm from the underground rap scene, and I like the East Coast rap, I like battle rap, that type of stuff coming up.

00:29:21.000 So I was more out of the open mic scene.

00:29:24.000 I got to hang around the older guys and the cool guys and the drug dealers because I could rap about street stuff, right?

00:29:29.000 Whereas when you take like a T.I., he was always interested, loved music and stuff.

00:29:32.000 But Tip was a trap rapper from the start. 0.98

00:29:35.000 He was entertaining for the streets, so he didn't need to go to fucking open mic. 0.95

00:29:39.000 He just needed to be opened up on a mic and then allowed the greater public to hear him. 0.51

00:29:45.000 I talk about him and Big Boy because they're two of my best friends, so I know I got poetic license to talk about those guys where I don't really tread lightly with other rappers.

00:29:53.000 You never know whose feelings get hurt.

00:29:54.000 So there was no need for him to do open mics as much as just find someone who believed in him, and that was KP, L.A. Reid, DJ Toomp.

00:30:02.000 And gave him platform to create the genre now known as trap music.

00:30:05.000 Me, I came up more out of the battle rap scene and out of the, you know, go show your wares.

00:30:09.000 Kind of like a comic. 0.97

00:30:10.000 You get up in front of everybody, do your shit, see what works, go home, readjust, come back next week. 0.97

00:30:14.000 So when you do like a battle rap thing, we sign up? 0.99

00:30:17.000 How would that work?

00:30:18.000 Nah, those days they just threw you in the pit.

00:30:19.000 Oh, so you just met a guy for the first time.

00:30:22.000 Yeah, you show up.

00:30:23.000 I got my name.

00:30:24.000 My nickname's Skunk, right?

00:30:26.000 My nickname was Skunk, or my family called me Michael.

00:30:29.000 My friends were the Unruly Scholars, and those guys were like just East Coast rap.

00:30:34.000 One was from Connecticut, one was from South Carolina, but his family's from New York. 0.93

00:30:37.000 They could rap their ass off. 0.95

00:30:38.000 They were like rocking me. 0.98

00:30:39.000 Big Daddy came in the same group.

00:30:41.000 They defeated a lot of guys, made better records.

00:30:44.000 And then one day, there was this thing called Green Lights where people would play their music and then they'd be battling each other. 0.98

00:30:49.000 My homies didn't come and man, you could just, everybody who you thought was the homies, homies was just shitting on them. 1.00

00:30:56.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:30:57.000 This is my homies. 0.99

00:30:58.000 And my man, Gerard, G.G. McGee, who I had just seen a couple weeks ago, he was the person that kind of pulled me out of knocking around in a trap trying to be a petty drug dealer into a studio.

00:31:08.000 And he was the first person to say, yo, this kid could really rap. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Like, you know, fuck that shit. 1.00

00:31:12.000 I know he steals cars. 1.00

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:31:17.000 And he's rising around doing hood rat shit with his ratchet friends, but he can really rap. 0.99

00:31:21.000 Let's get him in. 0.99

00:31:21.000 So he was the guy that started bringing me in. 0.99

00:31:23.000 So it offended me.

00:31:24.000 They were talking about my friend like that. 0.99

00:31:26.000 So I just start fucking off with their heads, battle rapping them. 0.99

00:31:29.000 And a man named Double D called me Killer that night. 1.00

00:31:32.000 He said, his kid's a killer. 1.00

00:31:33.000 Mike's a killer. 0.99

00:31:34.000 And that's how I got the name Killer Mike. 0.99

00:31:37.000 Ah, what a great story.

00:31:39.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 So the battle rap scene, you would just get tossed into a pit, and how much time would you get?

00:31:45.000 This is in the 90s.

00:31:46.000 This isn't like former battle rap now.

00:31:48.000 Battle rap has evolved like boxing now.

00:31:50.000 What I'm talking about is essentially cockfighting.

00:31:52.000 But when you would battle rap, there would be no time limit?

00:31:56.000 No time.

00:31:56.000 You just went.

00:31:57.000 You just went. 0.99

00:31:57.000 You just went until you won the crowd, or the other guy shut the fuck up and walked away with his head down. 0.99

00:32:02.000 What was a long battle rap? 0.90

00:32:04.000 Man, that night, those guys were still...

00:32:06.000 I literally took out four and five and six. 0.98

00:32:09.000 And those guys were still trying to come at me before D, who was fucking built like you, when we were children. 0.98

00:32:16.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:32:16.000 It was obvious D knocked you the fuck out. 0.99

00:32:18.000 Just told everybody, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:32:20.000 This kid won. 1.00

00:32:21.000 And it was decided.

00:32:22.000 D's spoken.

00:32:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:24.000 DJ Double D gave me my rap name.

00:32:27.000 It gets heated, man.

00:32:28.000 I've watched a bunch of them online with dudes getting each other's faces.

00:32:31.000 Man, my DJ, DJ Trackstar, keeps me up with the battle scene.

00:32:38.000 I couldn't do it.

00:32:39.000 Like, as an older man, I'm just saying to myself, like, yo, I ought to fault somebody, man.

00:32:44.000 Like, straight the fuck up.

00:32:45.000 Like, man, the disrespect is amazing.

00:32:48.000 It's amazing.

00:32:49.000 It's a martial art of sorts.

00:32:51.000 You know, it's a mental martial art.

00:32:52.000 The ability to stay self-disciplined enough not to wild out.

00:32:56.000 The ability to give in and take it.

00:32:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:58.000 It's an art.

00:32:59.000 Have you ever seen Roast Battle?

00:33:01.000 No.

00:33:02.000 Roast Battle is what they're doing with stand-up comics with the same principle.

00:33:05.000 Yeah. 0.66

00:33:05.000 They go, well, they prepare for it, like sometimes, like weeks out, and they tell them who they're going to be battling against, and they write a bunch of jokes about each other and just shit all over each other. 0.66

00:33:16.000 Ruthless joke writing. 0.90

00:33:17.000 It's on Comedy Central. 1.00

00:33:18.000 Don Rickles-worthy shit. 1.00

00:33:20.000 Ruthless shit. 1.00

00:33:21.000 Just ruthless. 1.00

00:33:22.000 That's what comedy should be. 0.98

00:33:23.000 It is that, and it's a rare place, that one spot where they're doing it like that, that roast battle, is a rare place because it's like pure joke writing and fucking meanness. 0.96

00:33:33.000 I gotta check that. 0.95

00:33:33.000 That's what we call Jonan in the South. 0.95

00:33:36.000 Jonan?

00:33:36.000 Oh yeah, Jonan.

00:33:37.000 He's Jonan the shit out of you. 1.00

00:33:39.000 That's when you're just ruthless. 0.99

00:33:41.000 Are you saying J-A-W? No, Jonan.

00:33:44.000 Jonan.

00:33:45.000 Jonan.

00:33:46.000 Jonan.

00:33:47.000 Jonan.

00:33:47.000 Jonan the lady?

00:33:48.000 Yeah, like Jon.

00:33:50.000 I think it's spelled J-O-N-E, not J-O-A-N-E. Like Jon Jones.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, so yeah, and they call it Jonin.

00:33:57.000 And there's parts, like I think they call it that in D.C. too, but in Cap and some other places, but it's called Jonin in the South.

00:34:03.000 Oh man, they go over there Jonin, just talking bad about each other.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, with comics, it really is a martial art.

00:34:12.000 Because you've got to keep it together while this person is just ruthlessly shitting on your appearance and your life and ex-relationships and divorces.

00:34:19.000 I mean, people are ruthless.

00:34:21.000 Such is life, man.

00:34:22.000 Life is real.

00:34:23.000 I've got to give props out to my friend who's a comic, Lil Duvall. 1.00

00:34:26.000 Number one record with that Smile Bitch record. 1.00

00:34:29.000 Lil Duvall is one of those guys where... 1.00

00:34:31.000 Man, he's gonna say some shit to you, man. 1.00

00:34:33.000 It's gonna test you nuts. 1.00

00:34:34.000 You know, he's gonna hit you. 0.79

00:34:36.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:34:37.000 He's about this high, but his fucking ego is this big, and he's really good at talking shit, so I've heard him destroy some rooms. 0.99

00:34:45.000 Stylebender, who's like one of the best fighters in the UFC, he came out to that. 0.99

00:34:48.000 He came out to that song in his last fight. 0.97

00:34:49.000 Oh, the Smile Bitch? 1.00

00:34:50.000 Yeah, Smile Bitch. 1.00

00:34:51.000 That's a great fucking song. 1.00

00:34:52.000 I'm very proud of my friend, man. 1.00

00:34:53.000 It's a great fucking song. 0.99

00:34:54.000 Any song Snoop jumps on is usually a great fucking record, man. 1.00

00:34:58.000 And Stylebender, as he's getting ready to go into the octagon, he was dancing. 0.97

00:35:01.000 He was dancing to the song, and then he got inside, he was dancing, having a good time, and then once the fight started, I don't know if you've ever seen him fight, he's in the Matrix.

00:35:10.000 He's on another level.

00:35:11.000 Like, spectacular striker.

00:35:13.000 Really?

00:35:14.000 I gotta see him.

00:35:15.000 Lightning fast, incredible timing.

00:35:18.000 He's got creativity.

00:35:19.000 He's loose in there.

00:35:21.000 He gives you looks. 0.99

00:35:22.000 You don't know what the fuck is happening. 1.00

00:35:23.000 Blam! 1.00

00:35:23.000 You get head kicked. 1.00

00:35:24.000 He's phenomenal. 0.96

00:35:25.000 I gotta see that.

00:35:25.000 He's like one of the best in the world right now, Up and Coming, but he came out for that song.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, I gotta check him out.

00:35:30.000 Israel Adesanya.

00:35:32.000 Israel Adesanya.

00:35:33.000 One of the best. 0.99

00:35:34.000 He's fucking... 0.99

00:35:34.000 If you love technique, you'll love watching that guy. 0.99

00:35:37.000 Check him out.

00:35:38.000 I like Silva for that reason.

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:40.000 Well, Anderson Silva and him are fighting. 0.99

00:35:42.000 Oh shit. 0.99

00:35:43.000 I gotta see that. 1.00

00:35:44.000 How old is Anderson then?

00:35:46.000 He's 40 years old, I believe. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Oh shit. 1.00

00:35:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:48.000 It's probably one of his last fights. 1.00

00:35:49.000 I was about to say, how old do you think guys should be before they stop?

00:35:52.000 Well, you know, Anderson is not a guy who engaged in trench warfare.

00:35:58.000 He always fought very smart.

00:36:00.000 He did.

00:36:00.000 He didn't really take the kind of beatings that maybe a lot of guys that fought as long as him took.

00:36:06.000 He's very technical.

00:36:07.000 Very good at avoiding getting hit.

00:36:09.000 I mean, he's been hit.

00:36:10.000 It's unavoidable.

00:36:11.000 He's fighting the best in the world continually.

00:36:13.000 He got hit.

00:36:13.000 He got dropped by a couple people.

00:36:15.000 But it's not like most guys.

00:36:18.000 Most guys that get to his amount of time in, they're going to get hit way more.

00:36:23.000 I mean, his face looks exactly the same.

00:36:26.000 It looks perfect.

00:36:27.000 He doesn't have a messed up face at all.

00:36:29.000 You think about that guy, the fact that he fought the best of the best forever. 0.90

00:36:33.000 His face isn't fucked up. 0.96

00:36:36.000 I mean, that's all you need to know. 0.99

00:36:38.000 Look at his face.

00:36:39.000 Floyd, I tell people that about Floyd.

00:36:41.000 Look at his face.

00:36:42.000 People hating it, man.

00:36:43.000 Floyd, I'm just like, yo, man.

00:36:45.000 You know, defense is a part of boxing, too, man.

00:36:47.000 And the ability not to get hit is a talent not a lot of people have.

00:36:51.000 Dude, it's a part of everything.

00:36:52.000 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 It's a part of life.

00:36:53.000 But it's a part of jujitsu.

00:36:56.000 It's giant.

00:36:57.000 Hicks and Gracie's number one principal.

00:36:59.000 He's like, first I defend.

00:37:01.000 I'm always safe.

00:37:02.000 No matter what.

00:37:04.000 Always safe.

00:37:05.000 Always. 0.99

00:37:06.000 You can't do shit with him. 0.97

00:37:08.000 There's certain guys that allow you. 0.99

00:37:10.000 Hickson's one of them. 0.70

00:37:11.000 He would allow black belts to take his back and put in a full rear naked choke with the hooks in. 0.94

00:37:16.000 And they would start from there. 0.84

00:37:18.000 Start from the closing sequence.

00:37:20.000 You're at 10. Usually you're going to sleep.

00:37:22.000 Exactly.

00:37:23.000 And he would get out.

00:37:24.000 That's amazing.

00:37:25.000 And dudes couldn't tap him from there.

00:37:27.000 Yo, shouts out to Wiz.

00:37:29.000 Wiz Khalifa?

00:37:30.000 Yeah, shouts out to Breeze.

00:37:32.000 Breeze got into jiu-jitsu and has brought Wiz into it.

00:37:35.000 And it's now shamed me into going to.

00:37:37.000 So at some point I'm going to pop up in the gym.

00:37:39.000 I got to get you and Joey Diaz in a jiu-jitsu class.

00:37:42.000 It would be the greatest thing in the world has ever known.

00:37:43.000 I got to get this on the shoulder.

00:37:44.000 I got to finish rehabbing.

00:37:45.000 Kara, it's going to clear me wind.

00:37:46.000 What's going on with your shoulder?

00:37:47.000 Rotator cuff surgery on both shoulders.

00:37:49.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:37:49.000 Yeah, but I can do this again now.

00:37:51.000 Okay.

00:37:51.000 Yeah, I can grab butter.

00:37:52.000 They got you doing those elastic band exercises and all that stuff?

00:37:56.000 Got those in the room.

00:37:56.000 Did those this morning.

00:37:57.000 Wiz put on a ton of muscle.

00:37:59.000 There's a photo of him pre and post, and it is truly impressive. 0.99

00:38:04.000 I would not want to fuck with Wiz Khalifa right now. 0.99

00:38:06.000 He's not just a thin, tall kid rapping. 1.00

00:38:08.000 He's fucking shredded. 1.00

00:38:08.000 He is. 1.00

00:38:09.000 His abs are ridiculous. 1.00

00:38:10.000 He will give you kicks and take your bitch at this point. 1.00

00:38:13.000 Have you seen his abs? 1.00

00:38:14.000 They're ridiculous. 0.99

00:38:16.000 They're huge, too. 1.00

00:38:17.000 Look at that.

00:38:18.000 They're not just ripped.

00:38:21.000 I'm going to stop slobbering soon.

00:38:22.000 They're not just ripped.

00:38:23.000 They're big.

00:38:24.000 Look at how much power is in the core.

00:38:26.000 That's the advantage of going from skinny to big, though, versus me, where there's tons of muscle under here, but got to lose a lot of chubby to see it, baby.

00:38:35.000 Well, your legs, carrying around all that weight.

00:38:37.000 I've always thought if someone could lose weight once they're really heavy, they would have an advantage of their legs.

00:38:41.000 Calves are still good.

00:38:42.000 But the legs are constantly used to moving around with much more weight.

00:38:45.000 Now, all of a sudden, they don't have that weight.

00:38:47.000 It's like you've been backpack training.

00:38:49.000 Look at the difference.

00:38:50.000 Well, that's not as good a difference.

00:38:52.000 It's hard to tell.

00:38:53.000 Still a big difference.

00:38:54.000 Still a difference, though, for sure.

00:38:56.000 Wizz is a great human being.

00:38:58.000 He goes to that place in Hollywood.

00:39:03.000 Jay's place.

00:39:07.000 Performance, what is it called?

00:39:08.000 Unbreakable?

00:39:09.000 Yeah, something like that. 1.00

00:39:09.000 The place is the shit, supposedly. 1.00

00:39:11.000 It's like a semi-private place, and you go in there like Chuck Liddell's working out in there. 0.99

00:39:15.000 That makes sense, because Wiz is like really rich.

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:18.000 In the black community, he's like white people rich is what we call it.

00:39:21.000 White people rich. 0.55

00:39:22.000 Yeah, he's on a very high level right now.

00:39:25.000 God bless.

00:39:26.000 Yeah.

00:39:26.000 I like Wiz.

00:39:27.000 Well, if you did that to your body, that dude works hard.

00:39:30.000 Well, I'm doing it.

00:39:31.000 I'm doing it slower.

00:39:31.000 I need to pick up the pace and go a full 90 days, like you say, but I feel a lot better.

00:39:36.000 I just did a fucking Zappos running commercial. 0.96

00:39:38.000 I felt like the king of the world. 0.99

00:39:39.000 Did you?

00:39:40.000 Yeah.

00:39:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I've been working out, man.

00:39:42.000 Shouts out to Al Claiborne from Claiborne Fit Effects.

00:39:44.000 Now, I'm a former professional bodybuilder.

00:39:46.000 Just teach me kind of how to retrain my brain, and when I'm not being lazy and really on it, I feel great.

00:39:50.000 Sweat today so you don't regret today.

00:39:52.000 The good thing about it too is with a guy like you, if you continue and you continue to lose weight and get healthier, you're going to inspire other people to do the same thing. 0.99

00:40:00.000 People that are your fans that go, fuck man, now I want to get my shit together. 1.00

00:40:04.000 Yeah, because what you don't want to do is get rich, die, and have some young Wiz Khalifa-like guy fucking on your wife. 1.00

00:40:10.000 That's my daily mantra. 1.00

00:40:11.000 That's a good mantra. 1.00

00:40:12.000 I got a hot red-haired wife and I don't want to die and all my money go to some young Stedman-like guy fucking on her. 1.00

00:40:18.000 Young Stedman-like guy? 1.00

00:40:23.000 Yeah, man.

00:40:24.000 You want to have more energy. 1.00

00:40:25.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:40:25.000 You can do it. 1.00

00:40:26.000 Yeah, no doubts.

00:40:27.000 No doubts.

00:40:28.000 But what you said is true. 1.00

00:40:29.000 Get off the sugars, get off the flours, eat some meat and green shit, drink water. 0.99

00:40:33.000 That's it. 1.00

00:40:33.000 And keep moving. 1.00

00:40:35.000 Move as much as you...

00:40:36.000 You ever use one of those Fitbits or any of those things?

00:40:38.000 Nah, I gotta watch, man.

00:40:40.000 My man from Nike gave me a watch that I gotta use.

00:40:43.000 Those are good.

00:40:43.000 Those are real good.

00:40:44.000 It gives you numbers, so you look at the numbers and you get the metric of how hard you're working.

00:40:49.000 I like that one that we were doing... 0.98

00:40:51.000 What the fuck was it called again? 0.95

00:40:52.000 The one that we did for the... 0.99

00:40:54.000 Fitness.

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 I'm trying to convince my wife that having threesomes and foursomes is like circuit training. 1.00

00:41:01.000 It is.

00:41:02.000 She hasn't went for it yet.

00:41:03.000 It'll definitely be a hormonal buildup.

00:41:05.000 Yeah, but I'm going for it.

00:41:07.000 I'm trying.

00:41:08.000 I think next season on Trigger Warning, that's what I'm going to do.

00:41:11.000 I'm going to try to start a polygamist compound based on CrossFit. 0.95

00:41:14.000 Man, that never goes right.

00:41:16.000 Has anybody ever pulled off a compound?

00:41:18.000 Yeah, a few people.

00:41:20.000 Quiet people pull it off.

00:41:22.000 When you start to realize that your uncle and your aunt and her best friend aren't uncle, aunt, and best friend. 1.00

00:41:27.000 Like, oh shit, aunt had two wives. 1.00

00:41:29.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:41:31.000 But if you get loud about it, it's going to go bad.

00:41:34.000 Right.

00:41:34.000 If people know about it, by the time they know about it, it's already gone bad.

00:41:37.000 So there might be a lot of them laughing at us right now.

00:41:40.000 We know how to do it.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:41:42.000 We just keep our shit together and don't tell everybody. 0.99

00:41:44.000 Just stay low. 1.00

00:41:45.000 Did you see Wild Wild Country?

00:41:46.000 I did not see Wild Wild Country.

00:41:49.000 They bought a town.

00:41:51.000 They took over a town.

00:41:52.000 A whole cult.

00:41:53.000 They started just importing people.

00:41:55.000 They brought them in on buses. 1.00

00:41:56.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:41:57.000 They took over a town. 1.00

00:41:59.000 Yeah, these...

00:41:59.000 What was his name?

00:42:01.000 I forget the guy's name.

00:42:03.000 I forget...

00:42:03.000 Was it an East Indian guy?

00:42:05.000 Yes.

00:42:06.000 Say it again into the mic.

00:42:08.000 Rajneesh?

00:42:08.000 Yeah.

00:42:09.000 He had another name though.

00:42:10.000 Were they making like textiles or something up there?

00:42:13.000 I think I may have seen part of this high at 3 in the morning. 0.98

00:42:15.000 I don't remember what the fuck they were doing for jobs. 0.98

00:42:18.000 I was just paying attention to how they got these people in there. 0.98

00:42:20.000 They took homeless people and they shipped them out there on buses so they could vote from the town.

00:42:24.000 They gave them jobs and identities and these people were extremely happy.

00:42:27.000 That was crazy.

00:42:28.000 I'm sure some of them were troubled, but for a lot of them, they finally had a sense of purpose.

00:42:33.000 They'd just been taken into this place as family.

00:42:35.000 So they made Utah.

00:42:36.000 They basically made a town in Utah.

00:42:39.000 I've always respected them. 1.00

00:42:40.000 I did see part of this movie geeked at 3 in the morning like, oh shit. 0.99

00:42:45.000 Why is it? 1.00

00:42:47.000 That white hippie-like people trust brown people with beards so much. 0.79

00:42:50.000 Well, they want to believe in enlightenment and in all the media portrayals of enlightenment and all of, you know, when people talk about mystical experiences they had in India.

00:42:59.000 It's always that part of the world that emphasizes spirituality and the idea that the Hindu religion is a more ancient, more complex spiritual religion.

00:43:11.000 So the Indian yogi figure is the white Jesus figure of white people. 0.85

00:43:16.000 Yes.

00:43:16.000 So for white people who don't know, white Jesus in the black community is a mythical creature that has enormous power, right?

00:43:25.000 It's insane for anyone to believe in a deity that doesn't look like them, right? 0.97

00:43:28.000 But in the black community... 1.00

00:43:31.000 We're just in love with Renaissance paintings and Jesus is white as fuck. 1.00

00:43:34.000 So we have the same infatuation that your weird hippie aunt has with Indian men with long beards and their mysticism. 1.00

00:43:41.000 We have that with white Jesus. 1.00

00:43:43.000 So you've just helped me understand.

00:43:44.000 Wow. 0.99

00:43:45.000 Because I've always wondered, like, what the fuck is it up with white people and East Indian people? 0.99

00:43:49.000 Because Vikram, who directed Trigger Warning, also has a documentary where he creates a fake religion and convinces, you know, white middle class people to follow him. 0.99

00:43:58.000 That is a crazy one, the white Jesus one, right? 1.00

00:44:01.000 Oh, white Jesus is a motherfucker, bruh. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Like, hey, man, I'm going to get me a shirt that says, white people won, stay woke. 1.00

00:44:07.000 And what I mean by that is, Western civilization, this is the latest phase.

00:44:15.000 Like, people have to understand, there have been We're good to go.

00:44:35.000 Between the West and what we call the Middle East now, what was once Western purge or Western Asia, this is thousands of years of war. 0.65

00:44:42.000 You know, you're hearing Islam versus Christianity, but it's really two ideologies that have been fighting for thousands of years over how the globe should be governed. 0.99

00:44:49.000 So with that shit, man, it's like... 1.00

00:44:52.000 There's no stopping this shit. 1.00

00:44:54.000 But white Jesus springs out of that and kind of goes everywhere and colonizes everything. 1.00

00:45:00.000 So, you know, the church pops up with candy for kids, Bibles for you. 0.86

00:45:04.000 And by the way, we're going to be gone a while, but we're going to leave this guy here on the wall so you know what the ideal, what God's son look like.

00:45:10.000 So if God's son looks like a doobie brother, then so does God. 0.98

00:45:15.000 God looks like Jim Morrison.

00:45:18.000 Jim Morrison with a full beard. 1.00

00:45:20.000 Yeah, straight to fuck. 1.00

00:45:21.000 Wow. 1.00

00:45:22.000 Wow.

00:45:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:24.000 Well, really, Jesus was probably a tan guy with dark hair and curly hair and brown eyes that was saying shit that the government and the church didn't like, so they knocked him the fuck off. 0.99

00:45:34.000 Why do you think that each race looks for someone of another race to be their advisor? 0.99

00:45:40.000 Because I don't think people trust the divinity in themselves.

00:45:43.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 I think that once you understand that as human beings, we really only look different because of subtle differences and atmosphere and change and who you mix with when.

00:45:54.000 But I think that all those books that our moms paid Oprah to sell us of self-help and inward looking, Reverend Ike had told my grandmother's generation that in the 70s.

00:46:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:05.000 And I think that we're scared to turn off the lights and at some point see something divine within ourselves.

00:46:10.000 Because once you do that, that requires you act differently.

00:46:14.000 And I think that people need to be told what to do.

00:46:17.000 Not that they actually need it, but they want to be instructed.

00:46:20.000 You know, versus knowing or going on a gut feeling or experimenting and getting something wrong.

00:46:26.000 You know, my grandfather was one of the most kind, moral men I've ever met.

00:46:30.000 He was always gentle with children. 0.94

00:46:34.000 He only put a belt in my butt twice in my life. 1.00

00:46:36.000 And shit, I think he cried harder than I. Same man at 14 years old shot a man at church for kicking his bike down. 1.00

00:46:43.000 You know, he grew up in between 14 and 54 when I was born, and he had experiences that he had learned to regret, and he had dealt with that, and he had become something that by the time I was a child and he was raising me, my grandfather was divine in my eyes almost,

00:47:00.000 you know what I mean?

00:47:01.000 He was perfect because he was genuinely good and moral.

00:47:04.000 But as a 14-year-old boy who had grown up fatherless, who dropped out of school in the third grade, and who understood that I must protect my mothers and sisters, he refused to be bullied by anyone, even an adult, to the point of putting a bullet in him.

00:47:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:17.000 So I think that a lot of times we're afraid to see that divinity in ourselves also because then you have to acknowledge the darkness and you have to deal with that.

00:47:25.000 And it's easier to get instructed by someone else and it's easier to see the evil is outside too.

00:47:30.000 It's easier to see that it's something that I can't control that just happens versus I'm complying and I'm complicit in it, you know?

00:47:38.000 It's also a consequence of, you know, one of the things that bothers me the most when people talk about people that commit crimes or think about people that commit crimes, so much of who a person is is a consequence of things that had nothing to do with them.

00:47:51.000 Absolutely.

00:47:52.000 They could have been born in a terrible neighborhood to horrible parents and Been abused sexually and physically.

00:47:58.000 And by the time you get to them, their life is already a mess.

00:48:02.000 It's a shambles.

00:48:03.000 And for you to try to think that they are going to look at life and just figure it out with no assistance whatsoever, it's crazy.

00:48:11.000 Doesn't work like that.

00:48:12.000 One of the weirder things about our culture is that we haven't put more of an emphasis in finding the spots that are the ghettos and the terrible neighborhoods in this country and figuring out a way to build them up. 0.99

00:48:23.000 Absolutely.

00:48:23.000 Just make it even.

00:48:24.000 We know.

00:48:25.000 Figure out a way.

00:48:26.000 We know unequivocally where jobs and commerce are present and economic opportunity and prosperity occur.

00:48:34.000 There's a dramatic reduction and elimination in gang violence.

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:38.000 Yet we do not put resources into building institutions that will create entrepreneurs or work on the soft skills so the kids can be working at and around production houses, studios.

00:48:50.000 We put that money into prisons.

00:48:53.000 And then we use prison labor to undercut things like call centers, things like that, that factories may need. 0.85

00:49:00.000 And we're doing a disservice by doing that.

00:49:03.000 And I always say we because we look to our quote-unquote leaders and blame them.

00:49:08.000 When so many times we allow it, you know, we allow this to happen by not paying attention and not voting.

00:49:14.000 We allow it to happen by not raising our voice, even though we know someone in prison and saying this is wrong.

00:49:19.000 You know, the last people, I don't believe, just for the record, I don't believe in the big three, the Abrahamic religions. 0.97

00:49:24.000 I'm not into them.

00:49:25.000 But the books I've read, and they're amazing graphic novels.

00:49:28.000 I kind of read them like a graphic novel of sorts, right?

00:49:31.000 And when you look at the people who Christ died with, right?

00:49:35.000 He was up there with thieves.

00:49:37.000 The last person he saved before he got out of here was a thief, was a confessed thief, was dying right next to him.

00:49:43.000 And he was like, you know, we're going to go on this together.

00:49:46.000 That's an amazing thing.

00:49:47.000 So as you're serving your Savior or your Messiah, you need to be thinking about who he spent his time with.

00:49:54.000 You know, he was with liars and thieves.

00:49:56.000 He was in the streets. 0.99

00:49:56.000 He was with people who alleged to be prostitutes. 0.99

00:49:59.000 And I think that if we start to turn our attention to those places and we put our intentions in good there, we do produce on the other side better.

00:50:07.000 But as long as we look at religion as something that makes us holy, makes us clean, washes us of our sins, and we become pious in that, I think religion will be something that's forever kind of harmful and help to create that.

00:50:19.000 And I think that that That believing that some people are good at evil doesn't allow us to say, well, what could we do to fix those ghettos, to fix those depressed areas? 0.92

00:50:28.000 Because for every ghetto where I'm from, for every ghetto that's in a city in the South, I can show you a mountainous region with a trailer park that's just as bad. 1.00

00:50:34.000 For sure.

00:50:35.000 And those kids deserve a life better than OxyContin addiction and turmoil and pain, too.

00:50:41.000 You're right.

00:50:42.000 100%.

00:50:43.000 And I feel like there's money to be made doing it, too.

00:50:46.000 I mean, I feel like there's jobs.

00:50:48.000 I feel like it's an ignored resource.

00:50:50.000 Yes.

00:50:51.000 Yes.

00:50:51.000 Yes, man.

00:50:51.000 I follow a kid named Turbo Jesus.

00:50:53.000 Follow a kid named Turbo Jesus in Alabama, man.

00:50:56.000 I'll follow anybody named Turbo Jesus.

00:50:57.000 His name's Turbo Jesus.

00:50:58.000 This kid, listen to me, man.

00:50:59.000 He's amazing, man.

00:51:01.000 I believe you.

00:51:02.000 I'm not a big...

00:51:03.000 Confederate flag just doesn't bother me as much, all right?

00:51:06.000 Not saying that you had a pass.

00:51:08.000 I've lived with it so long, it's just kind of like...

00:51:11.000 Were you shocked that all of a sudden it became a bad thing, like with Dukes of Hazzard and all that?

00:51:16.000 Well, I was at Dukes of Havs.

00:51:18.000 I have pictures of me with the General Lee on his shirt, right?

00:51:21.000 I'm not surprised because, you know, my thing with the Confederate flag is that side loss.

00:51:26.000 Right. 0.95

00:51:26.000 So you're flying a loser's flag, so it just never really bothered me. 0.95

00:51:30.000 But as I got older...

00:51:32.000 The drama that's been placed around it has been amazing because if I'm not going to change Robert E. Lee, the school's name, I'm not going to really be able to change the place.

00:51:40.000 It's going to be here.

00:51:41.000 You know, as a Southern, you just got to accept it's going to be there.

00:51:44.000 But Turbo Jesus is a kid.

00:51:45.000 I saw following.

00:51:46.000 So my natural assumption is...

00:51:48.000 You know, typical redneck kid, right? 1.00

00:51:50.000 Hella talent.

00:51:51.000 He can fix anything with a motor on it.

00:51:52.000 He makes these amazing katana-like swords out of wrenches, right?

00:51:56.000 He's just an amazing kid.

00:51:58.000 But I see him rallying against kids that uphold that flag and upholding, you know, anything that feels like racism or nationals.

00:52:05.000 And he's just one of the most morally good kids I've ever seen running around.

00:52:09.000 And he's an ally and he doesn't look like stereotypically anything you would expect.

00:52:13.000 But that's the great part of This, to me, the great part of all this country is, you know, as polar opposites as people try to make, say, you and I, here we are together as equals.

00:52:25.000 You know, here we are together engaging one another as equals and we don't look like one another.

00:52:28.000 We're not from the same places.

00:52:29.000 And I think there's just a whole bunch of opportunity in that.

00:52:32.000 You know, I think that there's money to be made.

00:52:35.000 In promoting that versus promoting division and fear.

00:52:39.000 So absolutely, there is money in helping children be better.

00:52:44.000 And if we're going to live in a capitalist system, be a compassionate capitalist and be the best you possibly can, because we need more of you.

00:52:51.000 But it just seems like in terms of something that we think about as a civilization, we don't think about neighborhood rebuilding.

00:52:58.000 No.

00:52:59.000 It's not a primary concern.

00:53:01.000 Even though one of the biggest problems we have is with crime and violence.

00:53:04.000 If you ask people, what's the two biggest things you're afraid of?

00:53:07.000 It's crime and violence.

00:53:08.000 Next would be car accidents and cancer, right?

00:53:10.000 Yeah.

00:53:10.000 But crime and violence, you could severely mitigate.

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 If you had all these community programs, if you think about the amount of, I bet if they calculated it out, probably a wash.

00:53:19.000 The amount of money you'd spend to fix things versus the amount of money you would save by not having as much crime.

00:53:25.000 I agree.

00:53:26.000 Roxanne Shante, I saw her. 0.99

00:53:27.000 Again, I don't know shit, so I'm just guessing. 0.99

00:53:30.000 Anything is better than just building more prisons. 0.99

00:53:33.000 Yeah, well that's the scariest shit we got going on. 0.98

00:53:35.000 The idea that someone's profiting off of putting people in cages and that they also lobby to make sure that there's more laws in the books. 0.99

00:53:42.000 I told Larry King earlier today that I'd rather stop arguing over the Second Amendment with people that I should be arguing for an amendment of the 13th Amendment with.

00:53:52.000 We should stop arguing over guns and we should start to say, why does our 13th Amendment have a loophole that allows for slavery?

00:53:59.000 That says slavery is illegal except for guns. 0.85

00:54:02.000 Yeah, people have no idea how much prisoners get paid to work. 0.98

00:54:06.000 When they were working on the fires, I think it was some fucking insane amount of money they pay them. 0.64

00:54:14.000 And when they get out of prison, they are not allowed to be firemen. 0.97

00:54:18.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:54:19.000 Is that real?

00:54:20.000 Yeah, it's real. 0.90

00:54:22.000 Like, because you're a felon.

00:54:25.000 For every crime?

00:54:26.000 I'm not saying for everyone, but...

00:54:28.000 Any felony you can't be a fireman?

00:54:30.000 I can't say any, but a lot of the guys I've known that have gotten out of prison have not been allowed to apply for the fire department.

00:54:35.000 There's different felonies, right?

00:54:36.000 There's felonies.

00:54:37.000 Non-violent felonies.

00:54:38.000 Drug selling.

00:54:39.000 California's paying inmates $1 an hour. 1.00

00:54:42.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:54:44.000 Not even $2. 1.00

00:54:45.000 Your life is worth...

00:54:47.000 99 pennies plus one.

00:54:49.000 Just stop and think about fighting fires for 10 hours, you make $10.

00:54:52.000 That's insane.

00:54:54.000 Not only is that slavery, that might be worse than slavery because $10 an hour isn't even going to buy you food.

00:55:03.000 That's less than Walmart pays.

00:55:05.000 It's less money to work all day than you could feed yourself.

00:55:09.000 There's no way.

00:55:10.000 This is the white guy saying this.

00:55:13.000 That's what I try to tell people. 1.00

00:55:14.000 People talk shit when I was coming on here. 0.99

00:55:15.000 I was like, yo man, the guy's an ally. 0.99

00:55:19.000 I appreciate you saying that, because that's true, and it's not just black guys. 0.59

00:55:23.000 It's poor white people. 0.62

00:55:25.000 I almost wish I could have a convention with to say...

00:55:28.000 We got the same masters.

00:55:29.000 They're saying this right here, more than 2,000 volunteer inmate firefighters, they volunteered, including 58 youth offenders are battling wildfire flames through California.

00:55:39.000 Inmate firefighters serve a vital role, clearing thick brush down to bare soil to stop the fire spread.

00:55:45.000 I wonder, do they get better service for that?

00:55:49.000 Do they get out earlier?

00:55:51.000 Nope.

00:55:52.000 I don't think so.

00:55:54.000 I would hope they do, but if we're paying them a dollar an hour, what do we care?

00:55:58.000 The public should be up in arms about that.

00:56:02.000 Well, they're obviously trusting those guys to not run, too. 0.97

00:56:05.000 Because when you're chopping down bushes out there, when there's a fire going on, nobody knows what the fuck is happening. 0.93

00:56:11.000 It's chaos. 0.89

00:56:12.000 But where are you going to go?

00:56:13.000 Where are you going to go? 1.00

00:56:15.000 And then when they get you, shit. 1.00

00:56:17.000 A dollar an hour. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Just how insane is that?

00:56:20.000 You know something else we do in our prisons that's cruel and brutal?

00:56:23.000 We put people in a box for 23 hours a day.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 Allow them out for an hour to walk into space.

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 You're driving them crazy.

00:56:30.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 That's what you're doing.

00:56:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:31.000 You're fucking with their senses to the point where they're going crazy. 1.00

00:56:34.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:56:34.000 Or they get solitary. 1.00

00:56:36.000 I have friends that have been in solitary.

00:56:39.000 They talk to you about solitary and they're just there for themselves.

00:56:42.000 With your own mind.

00:56:43.000 Day after day after day.

00:56:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:44.000 I remember going to in-school suspension not being able to talk about to go fucking nuts after three hours. 0.99

00:56:49.000 You know? 0.98

00:56:51.000 So imagine being in Georgia State Correction.

00:56:53.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:56:54.000 When you're a little kid, you can't shut the fuck up. 0.96

00:56:56.000 For anything. 1.00

00:56:57.000 Coach Dollar used to tell, you know, he used to be honest, like, shut the fuck. 0.99

00:57:00.000 Cameron Dollar won 1995 UCLA. He played point guard for them when they won the national championship. 0.99

00:57:06.000 His dad was the coach at a high school.

00:57:08.000 His dad was the basketball coach, and he saw off the end school.

00:57:11.000 And I stayed in end school. 1.00

00:57:13.000 Oh man, I knew his dad like a fucking player. 0.99

00:57:15.000 I couldn't play any basketball. 1.00

00:57:16.000 I'd just be sitting there quiet. 0.99

00:57:17.000 He'd be reading the paper just like, I can't wait to get the fuck out of here, man. 1.00

00:57:21.000 Coach Dollar don't let us say shit. 1.00

00:57:22.000 That's how I knew I didn't want to go to prison. 0.99

00:57:24.000 Thank you, Coach Dollar.

00:57:25.000 Shouts out to Cam.

00:57:27.000 Not talking to anybody for just a couple of days would be enough to drive you crazy.

00:57:31.000 Now imagine some people that have been locked in the hole for like eight months.

00:57:34.000 They do that to people.

00:57:35.000 Yeah, they do.

00:57:37.000 Isn't that what they did to Chelsea Manning? 0.99

00:57:40.000 Yeah, didn't they?

00:57:41.000 Yes.

00:57:41.000 That's exactly what they did, I think.

00:57:44.000 I forgot what her original name was.

00:57:47.000 As do I. No, it's not.

00:57:50.000 You might get played.

00:57:53.000 It's always been Chelsea. 1.00

00:57:54.000 Son of a bitch, piece of shit. 1.00

00:57:54.000 It's always been Chelsea. 1.00

00:57:55.000 But yeah, I think they locked her in the hole for like 10 months.

00:58:01.000 Yeah, no talking.

00:58:02.000 Nobody.

00:58:03.000 Just by yourself. 1.00

00:58:04.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:58:05.000 By yourself. 1.00

00:58:05.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:58:06.000 I mean, you could break someone's brain. 0.97

00:58:08.000 Easy. 0.98

00:58:09.000 Easy.

00:58:10.000 I heard of people's brain gets broken on a good edible.

00:58:13.000 I watched First 48. I see motherfuckers' brain get broken 15 minutes with cigarettes and a honey bun. 1.00

00:58:23.000 That's another reason I tell kids don't commit crime with your homies, man. 1.00

00:58:26.000 Watch Verse 48. You're gonna see everything go bad, man, for a Newport.

00:58:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:33.000 Just so many fucking crimes. 1.00

00:58:35.000 So many laws that don't need to exist. 1.00

00:58:38.000 Poverty.

00:58:38.000 We end poverty.

00:58:39.000 We fix crime. 0.54

00:58:40.000 We fix a fuckload of it.

00:58:42.000 That's for sure. 0.99

00:58:42.000 There'll still be sociopaths and greedy people. 0.99

00:58:44.000 You're going to have that, but far less than crimes of opportunity like robbing moms of their purses at gas stations, carjackings.

00:58:51.000 You're not going to see stolen cars.

00:58:52.000 You're not going to see burglaries.

00:58:54.000 You're not going to see that if you start to have an influx of...

00:58:57.000 We need to bring a lot of stuff back to America. 0.99

00:58:59.000 We need to start making shit again. 0.99

00:59:01.000 We need to start buying shit we make again. 0.99

00:59:03.000 We need to start refocusing on what we could be doing in-house, I think. 0.98

00:59:08.000 I think that would certainly help us.

00:59:10.000 And I don't know what we could do to sort of promote that idea of...

00:59:19.000 I mean, why isn't it?

00:59:20.000 It's nothing that ever gets discussed in any political discussion, like whenever there's some debates going on or whenever there's any campaigns.

00:59:28.000 Because we're being given an agenda.

00:59:29.000 Yeah, but nobody ever thinks of that one aspect of our culture, the weakest aspect of our culture economically.

00:59:37.000 We don't really consider it.

00:59:38.000 You just look at it as a source of crime.

00:59:40.000 It's a statistic.

00:59:41.000 We look at it as though it's something that just is, like it has to be.

00:59:45.000 But it doesn't have to be like that.

00:59:47.000 Especially if we know history.

00:59:49.000 That's all I'm really trying to say.

00:59:51.000 There are other ways to try this.

00:59:54.000 And we could.

00:59:55.000 You can try to fix homelessness without criminalizing being homeless, right?

01:00:02.000 We know that most men that are homeless have some types of mental illness or schizophrenia.

01:00:07.000 So that means that we've broken down and we're not taking care of the mental ill in a way that we should be or could be.

01:00:12.000 So if you start to fix that, you start to fix that kind of homelessness.

01:00:16.000 We know that women and children, we know why they're on the street, and we know that if they're subsidized into these type of affordable housing apartments in the city, the kids have the opportunity to go to better schools, to become better parts of society in terms of having the networks and resources.

01:00:29.000 We know the mothers are closer to work, can be home, but we don't do that. 0.99

01:00:33.000 We build cities like right now.

01:00:34.000 We're developing Atlanta, and we've been promised a certain amount of We're good to go.

01:01:08.000 Yeah, well, everybody feels like it's somebody else's job.

01:01:11.000 It doesn't work like that.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, and everybody feels like, well, you just got to get out of that neighborhood.

01:01:15.000 Nah, that doesn't work.

01:01:18.000 Roxanne Chante talked about re-entrification. 1.00

01:01:20.000 She said, you know, she doesn't want to hear people keep complaining about gentrification.

01:01:26.000 When the kids that are leaving these neighborhoods, whether they sing, dance, rap or not, or just go get good jobs and go be decent human beings, you should be re-entering your neighborhoods.

01:01:36.000 You should be buying houses or pieces of land there.

01:01:39.000 One of the most impressive things, one of my favorite players was John Stockton.

01:01:42.000 And I don't know if it's true or not, but I read a story that he actually bought a house right on the street he grew up in.

01:01:48.000 So in the off season, he'd go back essentially home with his kids.

01:01:50.000 So they'd had some type of normalization to their life.

01:01:54.000 We should be doing that.

01:01:57.000 T.I. and I have bought properties together in the same neighborhoods we grew up in.

01:02:03.000 I like to see more athletes and rappers become the merchant and business class in that way.

01:02:08.000 And I like to see people who grew up in neighborhoods move back to those neighborhoods they grew up in, like the typical iconic American dream.

01:02:16.000 You can build another 8,000 square foot in the back of your A-frame house if you want to, but you shouldn't be going to...

01:02:24.000 50-60 minutes outside the city and then complaining about the blight of the city because you took yourself away.

01:02:30.000 You took the talent and the resources away.

01:02:33.000 Do you think that everyone should feel that way, though? 0.60

01:02:36.000 Do you feel like you have to be committed to the city that you grew up in, or couldn't you want to just get the fuck out of there and go somewhere different? 0.88

01:02:42.000 There's nothing wrong with getting the fuck out, but you just think you should go back and support it. 0.90

01:02:45.000 Yeah, it's like I tell kids in college when they say, Mike, what can we do? 0.92

01:02:48.000 Kids in college, when you go speak at college, they say, well, what can we do?

01:02:51.000 Kids want to affect the world.

01:02:53.000 Very easy.

01:03:05.000 Mm-hmm.

01:03:19.000 Rent it to your cousin.

01:03:21.000 Let your younger sister, but don't sell your mother. 1.00

01:03:24.000 That piece of land was worked for.

01:03:25.000 The blood, the toil, the soil, it means something, and it should.

01:03:29.000 And for working class people especially, it keeps your neighborhood and communities more like the ones that made you be a good human being.

01:03:37.000 So I think that there's something most people don't leave the town they grow up in.

01:03:41.000 They move to the other side or they move to the suburbs.

01:03:44.000 Most people marry somebody they knew.

01:03:47.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:48.000 My thing is make the best of it.

01:03:49.000 Don't let it keep becoming the worst.

01:03:51.000 A man named Mr. John, my wife and I own barbershops.

01:03:53.000 People don't know.

01:03:54.000 We own these things called the Shave, Wash and Groom Shops. 0.81

01:03:56.000 We have one at State Farm Arena where the Atlanta Hawks play.

01:03:59.000 We have our flagship store on Edgewood Avenue.

01:04:02.000 Edgewood Avenue and Auburn Avenue were once the centers of black Atlanta in terms of commerce and retail and money.

01:04:09.000 Atlanta Life Insurance Company was there.

01:04:11.000 You guys Google some of this stuff. 1.00

01:04:12.000 This is big-time shit. 0.99

01:04:13.000 This isn't the old narrative of, we've never had nothing, because that's not the truth. 1.00

01:04:17.000 Atlanta was a very rich city for African Americans.

01:04:20.000 Still is.

01:04:21.000 On this street, used to be owned by African Americans, the storefronts in there.

01:04:26.000 Their children, after these people died off, sold the buildings off and sold them for cheap.

01:04:31.000 And I know this because a man named Mr. John, who runs a grocery store there, stopped me one day.

01:04:35.000 He said, you know, Michael, after we're gone and this neighborhood's been gentrified and everything's different, they're going to come along and say that white people stole this from us.

01:04:46.000 And he said, that's not true.

01:04:49.000 He said the children of the people that were here left and they never came back because they didn't think what their parents built was good enough.

01:04:56.000 Oh man, it killed me.

01:04:58.000 Because that's not just black people, that's Americans, period.

01:05:02.000 We have gotten to a point where we are unappreciative.

01:05:06.000 We are entitled and we don't think what happened before us was good enough.

01:05:10.000 So we don't treasure it, we don't honor it, we don't reinvest in it.

01:05:14.000 That could be a farm in Milledgeville, that could be a house in Adamsville.

01:05:18.000 But we have to do a better job of appreciating ourselves, appreciating our community, and then appreciating our greater community.

01:05:25.000 And you have to re-enter.

01:05:26.000 You have to re-entrify that.

01:05:28.000 You have to be a part of whatever gentrification happens to make sure that your stake is still there and that what you care about from a morals and civil perspective is represented there.

01:05:38.000 My uncle John Blackman, who was a huge influence on me, died and had a five-car garage where he did transmissions and stuff, and I begged my aunt to sell it.

01:05:48.000 Please, I know they're going to come, the Beltline's coming, but please sell it to me.

01:05:53.000 I didn't want my uncle's building to go to strangers and become an apartment complex or something.

01:06:00.000 And I walked in your building, and I seen your building, and I said, wow, I know what I'm going to do with it now.

01:06:05.000 I've had it for like three years now.

01:06:06.000 I just had it.

01:06:07.000 But I never knew what I wanted to do.

01:06:08.000 But you were like, yo, you need somewhere to go every day.

01:06:10.000 Your building is impressive.

01:06:11.000 I'm like, yo, I'm just going to just make...

01:06:13.000 My uncle's building my offices, right?

01:06:15.000 And I'll figure out a way to make a lot of money off of it.

01:06:17.000 I mean, I've already made a lot of money, which is enabling me to buy it.

01:06:20.000 But it's important to me that as this neighborhood turns into hipster land, because it's definitely going to be...

01:06:25.000 It's just going to be black hipster. 0.97

01:06:26.000 It's going to be like chocolate hipster land. 0.99

01:06:27.000 I just wanted to make sure that there's still some chocolate working class in there. 0.97

01:06:31.000 And sometimes they're going to go buy coffee and there's going to be a loud-ass muscle car and lots of marijuana smoke blowing out of it so they'll know that my uncle's nephew's still in town.

01:06:41.000 Well, you've got a great combination of work ethic, a sense of community, and you've got a business perspective.

01:06:49.000 I don't have a business perspective. 1.00

01:06:51.000 I'm done with shit. 1.00

01:06:52.000 My wife. 1.00

01:06:53.000 My wife.

01:06:54.000 Your wife is doing it all? 1.00

01:06:55.000 Well, she taught me. 1.00

01:06:56.000 Yeah, but you seem to know what the fuck you're talking about. 0.99

01:06:58.000 You've got a pretty good roadmap. 0.99

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:01.000 You know, I have zero of that.

01:07:02.000 Zero business perspective.

01:07:04.000 You have the discipline to go to the gym every day, though.

01:07:07.000 I do have that.

01:07:08.000 That's what I gotta get.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, but I'm crazy.

01:07:10.000 I'm going to the gym to try to silence demons.

01:07:12.000 Yeah.

01:07:13.000 Forever.

01:07:14.000 I had, man, failing was the best thing that ever happened to me.

01:07:18.000 I think for everybody.

01:07:20.000 Some people get stuck at their failure, and they become bitter, and they become envious, they become hateful, at least out of my community.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, they can.

01:07:28.000 But failure can be one of the best things that ever happens to you.

01:07:32.000 Failing and having to learn to become a business person, I'm very thankful for.

01:07:37.000 Removed from the failure now.

01:07:39.000 Don't you think that about your rap career as well?

01:07:40.000 That's what I was talking about.

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 Oh, from a business perspective as well?

01:07:44.000 Yeah, I failed at rap first.

01:07:46.000 I was a good rapper, but Outkast of Criminal Records, my first record that went gold at a time where every other record was going $10 million.

01:07:55.000 It didn't work, right?

01:07:56.000 It didn't work for me.

01:07:57.000 So I had to go to Texas and people like Chameleon Aaron Paul Wall...

01:08:02.000 Bun B, Zero, Slim Thug, Trader Truth, right?

01:08:06.000 People like Flip and Hump.

01:08:08.000 These people taught me how to press up my own CDs, put them in the marketplace, sell them at profit, reinvest and sell.

01:08:15.000 They taught me that and selling drugs, you know, and they taught me the rudimentary fundamentals of business.

01:08:22.000 And when I met my wife, I can remember dating two, three, four, five little hot chicks and her just mentally being, you know, my wife called her like right freshman year of college, but just mentally she was Thank you. 1.00

01:08:33.000 Light years ahead of everyone because her grandmother had raised her in that way.

01:08:37.000 Grandmother had a shot house, you know, like a chitlin circuit. 0.77

01:08:40.000 You go get a shot for $2 on Sundays because the South is, you know, a weird place.

01:08:44.000 We didn't use to sell alcohol on Sunday.

01:08:46.000 So my wife, I recognize, had a sharper mind than me for business. 0.58

01:08:50.000 What I had was good ideas for what would sell or what would be well in the marketplace.

01:08:54.000 And what she had was a discipline.

01:08:55.000 Did you have any failures in your business practice?

01:08:58.000 Yeah, man.

01:08:59.000 First few years I had a barbershop. 0.91

01:09:00.000 I wanted to kill every barber I knew. 0.88

01:09:03.000 Barbers are like independent rappers. 0.97

01:09:05.000 You know, everyone wants to be more famous than they need to be, and they're artists.

01:09:09.000 Barbers?

01:09:09.000 Barbers want to be famous?

01:09:10.000 Yeah, barbers like being famous.

01:09:12.000 I mean, they're artists.

01:09:13.000 Like local famous, yeah.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, they're artists.

01:09:14.000 Absolutely, they do.

01:09:15.000 And they should be, you know what I mean?

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 With that said, man, it's just frustrating.

01:09:20.000 You know, one barber comes in one day like, I want to wear a glitter cape today.

01:09:23.000 And the next barber's coming in like, yeah, I want to cut hair into nude.

01:09:26.000 I want to use your shop to do it.

01:09:28.000 And you're like, bro, it doesn't work like that.

01:09:31.000 But I had to learn.

01:09:33.000 For us, the booth rent model, like you paying booth rent and us not making any more profit, that doesn't it.

01:09:39.000 So we had to kind of say, well, what does Supercuts do?

01:09:42.000 What does Great Clips do?

01:09:43.000 Oh, you want it by commission and then you split.

01:09:46.000 That means they have to be there.

01:09:47.000 And that's how we kind of learned business.

01:09:50.000 When we got an offer from the hawks.

01:09:54.000 We're good to go.

01:10:13.000 We happen to barber.

01:10:14.000 But if you're a guy, I don't like going to the beauty shops or beauty stores to buy my brushes or buy my combs or, you know, if you want to get a little gray out of your beard.

01:10:24.000 You know, you don't want to be in the RX section of your local Walmart or your, like, hey, where do I get the gray for my beard because I want to go get hot young chicks, you know. 1.00

01:10:32.000 You want to go and shop.

01:10:34.000 And so we develop products.

01:10:35.000 We have cool stuff.

01:10:36.000 You can just buy it right there.

01:10:37.000 And we're learning to be business people.

01:10:39.000 And hopefully, I would like to become the Chick-fil-A of barbershops. 0.98

01:10:42.000 I'd like for people to want to have us in their town and pay us a lot of money to come.

01:10:46.000 Well, it's a man's hangout, too.

01:10:48.000 And, man, you can say anything you want, and no one judges.

01:10:51.000 You can talk. 1.00

01:10:52.000 You can watch Joe Rogan talk shit. 1.00

01:10:54.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:10:55.000 Yeah, barbershops are uniquely masculine. 0.93

01:10:57.000 They are.

01:10:58.000 Like, beauty shops are for girls. 1.00

01:10:59.000 Girls can go into a beauty shop and get their nails done and know there's not going to be any men there. 1.00

01:11:03.000 They can talk all kinds of crazy shit. 1.00

01:11:04.000 That's one of the reasons why they like it. 1.00

01:11:06.000 And the women that do come to barbershops are some of the best shit talkers, so even they fit in. 1.00

01:11:12.000 Right. 0.99

01:11:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:11:14.000 No barbershop is exciting as one that has those two or three women customers that are just prime shit talkers. 1.00

01:11:20.000 How much, if any, are you paying attention to things like cryptocurrencies? 0.98

01:11:26.000 DJ Vlad has taught me a lot about stocks, so much to the point that I bought my wife thousands of dollars in stocks for Christmas.

01:11:33.000 She cried.

01:11:34.000 She cried when I showed her the wedding band that I bought because I never really got a wedding band.

01:11:39.000 I really want to show you I'm dedicating myself to you and this is never coming off.

01:11:44.000 So at the beginning of Christmas she cried when she saw my wedding band and at the end she cried when I said I never want you to be fully dependent upon me or feel that way so here's a lot of stock and she cried like a baby. 0.99

01:11:55.000 I called Vlad like that shit works bro. 0.72

01:11:59.000 So I'm learning about, and I just put lots of money into the S&P 500s, but I don't know a lot about cryptocurrency and stuff. 0.99

01:12:07.000 I'm learning how to have money.

01:12:09.000 I'm fascinated by the idea of a decentralized economy.

01:12:13.000 The whole thing has always been about the amount of money that banks control.

01:12:21.000 If you just stop and think about what goes on with The Federal Reserve and what goes on with all the money and how much a dollar is worth overseas, the balance of it all.

01:12:32.000 If there was something that we could all rely on that wasn't controlled by any gigantic group of people that have a vested interest in profiting off of this pile of money, if it was some sort of a Bitcoin-like thing.

01:12:45.000 It'd be a really different world.

01:12:47.000 Yeah.

01:12:47.000 Really, really different.

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 It would.

01:12:50.000 It would.

01:12:51.000 It'd be different if the world was moneyless.

01:12:53.000 It'd be different if there was a gold standard again.

01:12:55.000 It'd be a lot of differences.

01:12:56.000 But the question becomes, is the banking mafia of sorts ever going to let that happen?

01:13:02.000 And what happens...

01:13:03.000 How could they stop it?

01:13:04.000 Well...

01:13:05.000 It's like stopping the internet at this point.

01:13:07.000 So you think it's coming.

01:13:07.000 You think we're going to get the cryptocurrency.

01:13:09.000 I think it's eventually going to be...

01:13:11.000 What are we going to throw in the strip clubs? 1.00

01:13:12.000 It's going to take a few...

01:13:13.000 Yeah, it's going to be Bitcoin.

01:13:15.000 That's a question, correct?

01:13:16.000 You can't throw coins in clubs.

01:13:18.000 It's true.

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 Well, can you...

01:13:19.000 Yeah.

01:13:21.000 Pieces of paper that tell you how much to work?

01:13:24.000 Exchange on your way in.

01:13:25.000 Yeah, that's what will happen.

01:13:26.000 I'm not Bitcoin. 1.00

01:13:26.000 I'm not cash having no ass, bro. 1.00

01:13:28.000 Bitcoin will become like dollar bills that will represent Bitcoin. 0.98

01:13:32.000 A black dollar bill with a gold, like a shiny gold leaf lettering.

01:13:38.000 Did you make a shit ton of money with Bitcoin? 0.54

01:13:41.000 No.

01:13:42.000 No.

01:13:42.000 We made some of it for Fight for the Forgotten Charity.

01:13:46.000 They built wells for the Pygmies. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Okay.

01:13:48.000 In the Congo, my friend Justin Wren, he lives in the Congo for six months out of the year building wells.

01:13:52.000 And so Fight for the Forgotten, we raised a bunch of money through this thing called the Cash App.

01:13:58.000 Every time someone signs up, five dollars goes to Fight for the Forgotten.

01:14:01.000 Gotcha.

01:14:02.000 And we got some Bitcoin that we raised that went to them too.

01:14:05.000 So Wells got built because of that.

01:14:07.000 He's built, I don't know how many wells, did he say like 18 wells they built for the Pygmies?

01:14:11.000 And they're constantly building new ones.

01:14:13.000 Because the pygmies need fresh water. 1.00

01:14:15.000 Yeah, he's a fighter.

01:14:16.000 He fights for Bellator.

01:14:17.000 He's one of their top heavyweights. 1.00

01:14:18.000 Dope shit. 1.00

01:14:19.000 And goes over to Africa and lives in the Congo with the pygmies. 1.00

01:14:22.000 That's fucking dope. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:23.000 Man, he lives there in the village for, you know, months. 1.00

01:14:27.000 He's gotten malaria three times.

01:14:29.000 Almost died from it.

01:14:31.000 That's some dedication.

01:14:32.000 He's one of the nicest people that's ever walked the face of the planet. 0.99

01:14:35.000 That's fucking nuts. 1.00

01:14:36.000 So did he do the malaria shots and shit and still catch malaria? 1.00

01:14:39.000 I do not know. 0.99

01:14:40.000 I'm doing first trip to Africa next year.

01:14:42.000 So, you know, as a black guy, I feel it's important to go. 0.87

01:14:45.000 I don't want to catch malaria. 0.75

01:14:46.000 That's him back there.

01:14:47.000 Wow.

01:14:48.000 Yeah.

01:14:49.000 They call him the big pygmy.

01:14:50.000 That's amazing.

01:14:51.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.000 Nicest guy that's ever lived.

01:14:54.000 Those are...

01:14:55.000 Wow.

01:14:56.000 Yeah.

01:14:56.000 I mean, the guy goes there for six months a year.

01:15:00.000 It's amazing.

01:15:00.000 All those people in the picture with him look like they're related to me.

01:15:05.000 Yeah, it's pretty cool, man.

01:15:06.000 He's got some great videos on Fight for the Forgotten.

01:15:09.000 That's beautiful.

01:15:09.000 Where you can see the wells being built and the water coming out.

01:15:14.000 I gotta check that out.

01:15:14.000 You can send me the link.

01:15:15.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:15:16.000 Dope.

01:15:16.000 For sure.

01:15:18.000 What were we talking about?

01:15:19.000 How do we get up to this?

01:15:22.000 Cryptocurrency.

01:15:23.000 Which I know nothing about.

01:15:24.000 We raised some money for him through Bitcoin as well.

01:15:27.000 But I think that it's...

01:15:28.000 Give me some advice.

01:15:29.000 I don't know enough about it. 1.00

01:15:30.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Just on anything. 1.00

01:15:32.000 On anything money related.

01:15:33.000 Because you have an icon Jeep, so I know you have more money than me at this point.

01:15:36.000 I just work a lot.

01:15:38.000 You know what?

01:15:39.000 That was such grandfatherly...

01:15:41.000 It's true. 1.00

01:15:41.000 That's the shit my grandfather was saying. 1.00

01:15:43.000 But I'm not a big investor. 1.00

01:15:44.000 I'm not very smart.

01:15:45.000 I got you.

01:15:46.000 I have people handling that kind of stuff.

01:15:48.000 But you do work a lot.

01:15:49.000 But I don't pay attention to anything.

01:15:51.000 No.

01:15:51.000 I don't feel as guilty, though.

01:15:53.000 Yeah, I do too many things.

01:15:54.000 I've gotten myself to the place where I know exactly what I have to pay attention to and what I don't, and what I don't have to pay attention to is just gone.

01:16:01.000 Robert Polle, my accountant, has made it pretty easy for me.

01:16:04.000 It's literally a graph.

01:16:05.000 This is the dollar you make.

01:16:07.000 This is what goes into savings.

01:16:08.000 This is what goes into investment.

01:16:09.000 This is what you and Shea were investing in real estate.

01:16:12.000 This is for retirement.

01:16:13.000 So now, everything that comes in, I already know.

01:16:16.000 So it's like when they call us and say, hey, you guys got a $500,000 a day. 0.97

01:16:20.000 I just know that I'm not going home with $250,000 because asset management commissions, my wife and my accountant already chopped that shit up. 0.92

01:16:28.000 I got enough money to buy a Camaro. 0.97

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:32.000 I don't like to think about that.

01:16:34.000 I have to think about that.

01:16:35.000 Because, you know, I'm black. 1.00

01:16:37.000 And, you know, shit ain't been too good if you ain't got money. 1.00

01:16:40.000 If you poor and black, if you poor, America's fucked up. 1.00

01:16:43.000 If you poor and black, America's fucked up with a dildo in your ass. 1.00

01:16:46.000 So, you know, my whole shit is let me take care of my money because my grandmother, her family owned land. 1.00

01:16:55.000 We're good to go. 0.99

01:17:08.000 So my grandfather had to work in a bread factory and cotton mills and shit. 1.00

01:17:13.000 So I knew the difference between ownership and, you know, the advantages of having something in it. 0.67

01:17:19.000 So it's something I kind of obsess on because I don't want my children to endure poverty.

01:17:26.000 And I grew up working class.

01:17:28.000 You know, my wife, she jokes, but she says it a lot.

01:17:30.000 You know, she's from housing projects in Savannah and her grandmother and her mother worked.

01:17:34.000 They were out of there.

01:17:35.000 But, you know, she says to me all the time, you were spoiled.

01:17:38.000 You know, you're a little rich kid.

01:17:39.000 I'm like, what are you talking about? 1.00

01:17:39.000 She's like, you had a fucking RV. I'm like, I lived in an A-frame house. 1.00

01:17:43.000 She's like, I don't care.

01:17:44.000 Your grandparents can afford an RV. You guys went on vacation.

01:17:47.000 You were spoiled.

01:17:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:49.000 So, I understand money means a lot.

01:17:51.000 And it doesn't mean everything to me, but it helps to afford me to be able to take care of her and my children.

01:17:57.000 I completely understand it. 0.99

01:17:59.000 But I don't really give a shit. 0.99

01:18:00.000 On a daily basis, I'm more like you. 0.99

01:18:03.000 But you think about businesses.

01:18:04.000 You think about starting businesses and forming businesses. 0.97

01:18:07.000 How do you have the time to do that and write and perform and all the other shit that you do?

01:18:11.000 Because the businesses enable me to enjoy writing and performing. 0.87

01:18:15.000 When I had to rap, when there was no choice...

01:18:19.000 It wasn't as fun anymore.

01:18:20.000 Okay.

01:18:21.000 Because the pressure was, am I going to chart?

01:18:24.000 Can I make this much money?

01:18:25.000 Will the record?

01:18:26.000 Versus, you know, if I have a couple of streams of revenue coming in, you know, it makes it a little more relaxed.

01:18:33.000 And my art is freer that way, you know.

01:18:35.000 Ooh, I like that answer.

01:18:37.000 That's a great answer.

01:18:39.000 That makes sense.

01:18:40.000 That makes a lot of sense, actually.

01:18:41.000 Yeah, to free yourself up creatively so that all you have to think about when you're doing that, you're just doing what you want to do.

01:18:47.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:18:47.000 Yeah.

01:18:48.000 That's it.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, man, that's ideal.

01:18:50.000 That's wise.

01:18:51.000 That's the goal.

01:18:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:53.000 A lot of people talk a lot of shit about billionaires they like and they want to be. 1.00

01:18:57.000 And there are tons of billionaires from the nerdy sexy of Bill Gates to the wild, dope, eccentric sexy of Elon Musk to the OGs of Warren Buffett and shit. 1.00

01:19:07.000 I like Ted Turner. 0.99

01:19:09.000 I like Ted Turner as well.

01:19:10.000 Ted was the guy who got nine, got snookered out of six, ended up with one or two. 0.99

01:19:14.000 And it's like, man, I'm living my fucking life growing bison, eating good meat, wearing a fucking cowboy hat with my funky mustache. 0.99

01:19:20.000 He was such a good... 0.99

01:19:35.000 Yeah, especially once he got rid of Jane Fonda Hey man, shout out to listen.

01:19:45.000 When he married Jane Fonda to the South, we thought it was like the city of Atlanta had went back to Gone with the Wind.

01:19:53.000 It was just amazing again.

01:19:54.000 People were strutting around.

01:19:57.000 Jane Fonda's virtually our first lady. 1.00

01:19:59.000 She was a nice lady to the city. 0.99

01:20:03.000 David Justice and Holly Berry were interesting too.

01:20:07.000 Not as interesting as Ted. 1.00

01:20:08.000 A handsome bastard. 1.00

01:20:09.000 He is. 1.00

01:20:11.000 What's the yachting of anyone?

01:20:13.000 I don't know.

01:20:14.000 He got in the yachting out of nowhere.

01:20:17.000 America's Cup?

01:20:17.000 Was it America's Cup?

01:20:18.000 Was it?

01:20:19.000 Was that right?

01:20:21.000 Ted Turner lived the life that Ralph Lauren puts on t-shirts.

01:20:27.000 Yeah, he looks like a billionaire in a movie, too.

01:20:30.000 He does, man.

01:20:31.000 He looks like some great Gatsby type billionaire.

01:20:33.000 He does.

01:20:33.000 He does, man.

01:20:34.000 Some guy who's a wise billionaire brings you into his study and you have a scotch with him on ice.

01:20:38.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:20:38.000 He explains shit to you and you're like, what in the fuck? 1.00

01:20:41.000 Shouts out to Ted, man. 1.00

01:20:42.000 I know you don't get your love like a lot of the other guys.

01:20:44.000 I think he lays in the cut.

01:20:46.000 He does. 1.00

01:20:46.000 He's a fucking Montana growing bison. 1.00

01:20:48.000 He's out there chilling. 1.00

01:20:49.000 The man rebounded the population of bison so he could cook them and eat them. 0.99

01:20:54.000 It's like, get the fuck out of here. 0.94

01:20:56.000 That's badass, man. 0.68

01:20:57.000 Look at those overalls.

01:20:59.000 Respect. 1.00

01:20:59.000 That's how my fucking grandfather dressed, with the same mustache. 1.00

01:21:03.000 That's what I want to be. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Like, when I think about making 21 million and escaping the game and shit, this is me. 0.98

01:21:09.000 Like, maybe overalls and a Braves cap, but this is it. 0.97

01:21:12.000 Now, let me ask you this.

01:21:13.000 How far away from him are dudes with machine guns at all times? 0.99

01:21:18.000 But he's in fucking Montana! 0.99

01:21:19.000 Yeah, but so what? 0.99

01:21:20.000 I can drive to Montana.

01:21:21.000 Who wants to kill Ted Turner?

01:21:22.000 No one wants to kill Ted Turner.

01:21:25.000 Get some money!

01:21:25.000 Bro, no one wants to kill...

01:21:26.000 I would imagine he has two snipers.

01:21:28.000 He probably has two snipers, say east and west, and he has one guy within a few feet of him.

01:21:35.000 But very relaxed.

01:21:37.000 I don't think Ted's walking around like Gaddafi.

01:21:40.000 It didn't work out well for Qaddafi.

01:21:41.000 No, it didn't work out well for him.

01:21:43.000 He was hanging around with the wrong dudes. 1.00

01:21:44.000 Damn, OG. That last video of Qaddafi, that is one of the most disturbing videos in all of human history. 0.99

01:21:51.000 To see him realize that they got him.

01:21:53.000 It's over. 1.00

01:21:54.000 And then that guy shoves that knife up his ass, and he's barely even reacting to it. 1.00

01:21:59.000 He's in a state of shock. 0.99

01:22:00.000 You got to understand people who are not of a certain age, man.

01:22:03.000 These were the villains when we were young, man.

01:22:05.000 Gorbachev, Gaddafi, Castro.

01:22:07.000 And I'm not saying I agree or don't agree.

01:22:09.000 I'm just saying they were given to us as the villains.

01:22:13.000 I never thought Gaddafi could go out.

01:22:15.000 The way he went out.

01:22:16.000 Bad.

01:22:17.000 We saw a couple guys go out like that, but that was the craziest one because that was him getting caught by rebels and them executing him on the spot.

01:22:25.000 They didn't even wait.

01:22:26.000 They didn't even wait. 1.00

01:22:27.000 They're like, fuck this trial. 1.00

01:22:29.000 They're going to kill this guy right now. 1.00

01:22:30.000 They threw his body on the hood of the car and they're driving around with it. 1.00

01:22:33.000 Like a fucking deer. 1.00

01:22:34.000 Yeah, like a fucking deer. 1.00

01:22:35.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:22:36.000 There he is.

01:22:36.000 Oh, man, you bring it up, man.

01:22:38.000 Research. 0.98

01:22:38.000 They beat the shit out of him. 0.98

01:22:40.000 It's a horrible video. 0.99

01:22:42.000 And his dye job is showing.

01:22:44.000 You can see his gray hair.

01:22:47.000 A little bit in the temple.

01:22:49.000 A little bit in the temple.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, that's a...

01:22:52.000 But Ted Turner's the billionaire I want to be.

01:22:54.000 One of the most disturbing videos was Hillary Clinton laughing about him dying.

01:23:00.000 Yo, bro.

01:23:00.000 You see that video?

01:23:01.000 No, bro.

01:23:02.000 She's doing an interview and they're talking about Gaddafi.

01:23:05.000 She goes, we came, we saw, he died.

01:23:08.000 Oh, wow.

01:23:09.000 And she starts laughing.

01:23:11.000 That's Game of Thrones worthy.

01:23:13.000 What was it?

01:23:13.000 Cersei's the queen?

01:23:15.000 I don't want it.

01:23:17.000 My friend called me this year.

01:23:19.000 Outcast DJ Swift.

01:23:20.000 My wife told me I need a husband more than the world needs a martyr.

01:23:23.000 That.

01:23:24.000 And my friend called me saying, you know, man, really, I just don't want nobody to kill my friend. 0.97

01:23:29.000 That really made me put shit in perspective like, maybe I should keep singing and dancing. 0.97

01:23:37.000 Maybe you shouldn't try to braveheart this thing. 0.99

01:23:40.000 Yeah, people definitely still do get shot.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, straight up. 0.99

01:23:43.000 I don't give a fuck what anybody says. 0.99

01:23:45.000 There was a dude who was an Enron whistleblower who shot himself in the head twice. 0.99

01:23:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:53.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:23:53.000 That kind of shit. 1.00

01:23:54.000 Yeah, like that doesn't... 1.00

01:23:55.000 What in the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:23:57.000 Do you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster? 1.00

01:23:59.000 I have not.

01:24:00.000 It's a great book.

01:24:01.000 Okay.

01:24:01.000 It's about Vince Foster who was in cahoots with the Clintons, shot himself.

01:24:05.000 When they found his body, the gun was still in his hand, which never happens.

01:24:09.000 Guns fly out of your hand.

01:24:10.000 There was less blood at the scene of the crime than was missing from his body.

01:24:14.000 So the idea is that someone moved him.

01:24:16.000 Someone put him there.

01:24:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:18.000 Ray Donovan shit. 1.00

01:24:19.000 Ray Donovan shit! 1.00

01:24:21.000 They did it. 1.00

01:24:22.000 For sure they did it.

01:24:23.000 Back before there was an internet, all you had to do was grease the right amount of people.

01:24:27.000 And it's done.

01:24:28.000 Have a plan in place.

01:24:29.000 And it's done.

01:24:29.000 It's done.

01:24:30.000 They did it forever.

01:24:31.000 They did it through the Roman era.

01:24:33.000 I concur.

01:24:34.000 They did it from the beginning of time.

01:24:35.000 People have been whacking people.

01:24:37.000 I concur.

01:24:38.000 I don't think that era has ended.

01:24:40.000 A lot of people acted.

01:24:41.000 Again, like I said, these empires that we're under have been thousands of years.

01:24:45.000 It's like a corporation will change its name and go for it as something else.

01:24:50.000 I honestly, I'm going to at some point get a...

01:24:53.000 What are the brothers' names?

01:24:54.000 Romulus and I forget the other brother, but who were suckled by the wolves.

01:24:58.000 That was like the fairytale start of Rome.

01:25:01.000 I'm going to get that as a pendant. 0.96

01:25:04.000 I like artsy rap shit, so I have like the winged victory of Samothrath. 0.95

01:25:09.000 It's a piece. 0.99

01:25:11.000 I have another piece that's based on...

01:25:12.000 Look at that.

01:25:13.000 I'm getting that on a pendant.

01:25:14.000 Jesus!

01:25:14.000 It wasn't Romulus, and what's the other brother's name?

01:25:16.000 Remus.

01:25:17.000 Remus.

01:25:17.000 It was Remus and Romulus.

01:25:18.000 So apparently, our society that we live in under now, the legend is...

01:25:23.000 Jamie, were you saying that, please?

01:25:24.000 It was started by two brothers who were nursed, after being abandoned, were nursed by a wolf. 0.99

01:25:31.000 So Western society is built on that concept, and you're going to ask me to give up my fucking guns. 0.99

01:25:37.000 No. 1.00

01:25:38.000 The fuck out of here. 1.00

01:25:40.000 The fuck out of here, man! 1.00

01:25:42.000 What a crazy looking wolf, too. 1.00

01:25:44.000 That wolf's got chain mail around its neck and face for war. 1.00

01:25:47.000 Yeah, I'm gonna get that on a fucking pendant. 1.00

01:25:49.000 It's gonna be like this rapper big shit. 1.00

01:25:51.000 That's a war wolf. 1.00

01:25:52.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:25:53.000 Look at that.

01:25:54.000 That's got its vitals protected.

01:25:56.000 That's crazy.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 That's what we're sitting in the middle of.

01:26:00.000 Jesus Christ.

01:26:01.000 There we go.

01:26:02.000 Babies suckled from wolves.

01:26:04.000 From wolves.

01:26:04.000 So what do you think the mentality of the people who run us are?

01:26:08.000 Jesus Christ, look at that.

01:26:09.000 I saw it in the Louvre. 1.00

01:26:10.000 Me and my wife were stoned as fuck. 1.00

01:26:11.000 That's incredible. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Walking through the Louvre, and I was just like, this is amazing.

01:26:14.000 I stared at it.

01:26:16.000 What a freaky looking wolf, too. 1.00

01:26:18.000 It's all hungry and shit. 1.00

01:26:19.000 Looks like a fucking hyena, actually. 1.00

01:26:21.000 Yeah, it doesn't look like it's got wolf hair. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Because wolves are beautiful.

01:26:26.000 Like, that wolf ain't...

01:26:27.000 But it's weird that they decide to make a bald wolf.

01:26:30.000 That's a bald wolf.

01:26:31.000 Yeah, it's like shaved.

01:26:32.000 Yeah, there's no hair on it anyway.

01:26:33.000 Exactly.

01:26:34.000 It doesn't show any hair. 0.98

01:26:35.000 Who knows what the fuck wolves look like back then, though, either. 0.99

01:26:37.000 That's a good point. 0.99

01:26:38.000 Shave the hair into the rock.

01:26:40.000 Yeah, that's true, too.

01:26:42.000 Yeah, it'd be hard to shave it, but still, what a freaky idea.

01:26:46.000 Yeah, so that's what... 0.96

01:26:47.000 Suckled off of wolves.

01:26:48.000 Yeah, and think about it, and that's the mentality of the rest of the rest. 0.68

01:26:52.000 Have you been to Rome?

01:26:53.000 Have you ever been?

01:26:53.000 I have not been to Rome, yet.

01:26:54.000 I went a couple years ago for the first time.

01:26:56.000 It's amazing.

01:26:56.000 Really?

01:26:57.000 It's stunning.

01:26:57.000 Yeah, it's stunning.

01:26:58.000 Antiquity, is that what they call it?

01:27:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:01.000 When you go to the Vatican, man, you walk around, you realize how much these motherfuckers stole. 1.00

01:27:05.000 There is billions of dollars worth of art there. 1.00

01:27:08.000 And you're like, where did you get this money?

01:27:09.000 And why won't you give it back?

01:27:10.000 You guys don't have a business.

01:27:12.000 You're not out there selling sneakers. 1.00

01:27:14.000 Where the fuck did you get all this shit? 1.00

01:27:14.000 We're going to leave this candy and Bibles and we're going to take all of this art that you guys had. 1.00

01:27:19.000 It's crazy.

01:27:20.000 It's crazy.

01:27:21.000 You know what's interesting? 0.99

01:27:22.000 You know when you see Roman guys with little dicks? 1.00

01:27:24.000 The little dick thing, they thought big dicks were disgusting. 1.00

01:27:29.000 Like, big dicks were too savage and not civilized. 1.00

01:27:33.000 They had little dicks in these little statues. 1.00

01:27:35.000 If you look at these beautiful, perfect bodies, oh, little dicks. 1.00

01:27:38.000 And that was because they felt like big dicks were gross. 1.00

01:27:41.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

01:27:42.000 How crazy is that?

01:27:43.000 That's what the guy, at least the professor that was guiding us. 0.99

01:27:46.000 Little dick dudes, you're in the wrong century. 0.98

01:27:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:48.000 You missed it!

01:27:48.000 Yeah, Jess, you were almost there.

01:27:50.000 The thing is, though, they want something that doesn't exist, right?

01:27:53.000 Because a guy who's built like that is going to have a hog on him.

01:27:56.000 You know?

01:27:59.000 Look at the way those guys are built.

01:28:00.000 Those guys are... 1.00

01:28:01.000 They're fucking Adonises. 1.00

01:28:03.000 They're going to have a hog on him. 1.00

01:28:04.000 Right?

01:28:04.000 That's beautiful.

01:28:05.000 You see Anthony Joshua step into the ring. 1.00

01:28:07.000 You go, that guy's got to have a gigantic dick. 1.00

01:28:09.000 He has to. 1.00

01:28:10.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:28:11.000 He's a fucking specimen. 1.00

01:28:12.000 There's no way he has a regular size dick. 1.00

01:28:14.000 But with that said, if you look at bodybuilding... 1.00

01:28:17.000 Yeah, but that's a different animal.

01:28:19.000 They're breaking their body's ability to create testosterone. 0.98

01:28:23.000 Their nuts are shrinking. 1.00

01:28:24.000 Fucked up, bro. 1.00

01:28:25.000 It looks bad. 0.99

01:28:26.000 I got a picture of Ronnie Coleman that I send to my friends every now and then just as like a wake-up call.

01:28:31.000 I save it on my phone.

01:28:32.000 I send it.

01:28:33.000 I just want you to know that this is how big people can get.

01:28:35.000 So while you're lifting weights, just keep everything in perspective and always know that this is possible.

01:28:43.000 Get it, man.

01:28:43.000 That's one of them.

01:28:44.000 Let me show you the one that I got on my phone, Jamie.

01:28:46.000 He just had back surgery again.

01:28:48.000 Prayers up to run.

01:28:49.000 I heard there's a documentary about him that's on Netflix now.

01:28:51.000 I watched it.

01:28:52.000 It was sad.

01:28:53.000 And not sad, but like you feel bad.

01:28:55.000 Just like, first of all, it's amazing he had that type of discipline.

01:28:59.000 He was eating 10,000 calories a day.

01:29:01.000 He was training for one hour a day doing full, full training top to bottom because he was a cop at the same time.

01:29:07.000 And he was just a bull about it.

01:29:09.000 Here it is.

01:29:10.000 But with that said, oh my God.

01:29:11.000 Look at that picture.

01:29:13.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:29:14.000 That can't be.

01:29:15.000 That's insane.

01:29:16.000 Yeah, that's insane.

01:29:16.000 That's insane.

01:29:17.000 This one, Jay.

01:29:18.000 See if you can find that one.

01:29:19.000 It's insane.

01:29:20.000 Yeah, and now his back is savagely just betraying him.

01:29:26.000 Well, he apparently would lift so much weight.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, he's much smaller now.

01:29:31.000 He would lift so much weight and worked out so much harder than anybody.

01:29:37.000 Look at his last one. 0.94

01:29:38.000 I want to send this so people can see the one that we're looking at because it's so fucking freaky. 0.93

01:29:43.000 That's like when you see the picture of that bull. 0.91

01:29:46.000 Exactly.

01:29:46.000 You know the bull I'm talking about?

01:29:47.000 Yeah, they have...

01:29:50.000 Something wrong with...

01:29:52.000 What is that?

01:29:54.000 Myostatin inhibitors.

01:29:55.000 Yeah, myostatin inhibitors.

01:29:56.000 What's that?

01:29:57.000 Myostatin is something that apparently regulates the muscle growth.

01:30:01.000 And when these myostatin inhibitors, when they do...

01:30:04.000 They either happen accidentally on dogs called whippets.

01:30:08.000 I don't know if you've ever seen a whippet.

01:30:08.000 I know a little whippets.

01:30:09.000 Whippets get... 1.00

01:30:10.000 They have an anomaly that occurs pretty rarely where they grow like double the muscle. 0.99

01:30:17.000 They fucking look super jacked. 1.00

01:30:19.000 You gotta pour that shit up. 1.00

01:30:20.000 Yeah, pull up one of those myostatin whippets. 1.00

01:30:26.000 Okay.

01:30:27.000 Sure.

01:30:28.000 There's the Ronnie Coleman picture so everybody can see it. 0.99

01:30:30.000 That's the one we're looking at like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:30:33.000 Jesus. 1.00

01:30:34.000 Those pictures, as you're a fat guy walking into a gym, do more to dishearten you than anything. 0.58

01:30:38.000 Yeah, you're like, I can't even get there. 0.50

01:30:40.000 Exactly. 0.97

01:30:40.000 You're like, what the fuck am I going to do? 0.97

01:30:42.000 I'm not getting there. 0.98

01:30:42.000 It's not happening. 0.98

01:30:44.000 You would have to be on everything that science has ever concocted to put that kind of mass on.

01:30:50.000 Mass!

01:30:50.000 And you have to have perfect genetics.

01:30:52.000 You have to have everything.

01:30:53.000 You have to have the storm.

01:30:54.000 Jesus Christ.

01:30:55.000 Jesus Christ.

01:30:55.000 See if you can find those whippets.

01:30:58.000 The myostatin whippet. 0.74

01:31:00.000 It's crazy looking.

01:31:01.000 It doesn't even look like a real dog. 0.99

01:31:02.000 It looks like someone's CGI, like someone's fucking with it. 0.99

01:31:05.000 I just made it. 0.99

01:31:06.000 It's a real dog. 0.99

01:31:07.000 They just have a weird anomaly, a genetic anomaly that makes them super fucking jacked. 0.94

01:31:13.000 How does that work though in terms of like, I like pit bulls. 0.98

01:31:17.000 There it is.

01:31:18.000 Look at that.

01:31:18.000 That's real, dude!

01:31:19.000 I always thought that was fake.

01:31:20.000 No, that's real.

01:31:21.000 Wow.

01:31:22.000 It's real.

01:31:22.000 There's a bunch of them.

01:31:23.000 It happens in this community for some reason.

01:31:26.000 I read something about what it is about breeding that somehow or another this gene, this trait is more common in whippets than most other animals.

01:31:35.000 That's crazy.

01:31:36.000 I like the traditional style pit bull like Pete from the Little Rascals, right?

01:31:40.000 Yeah.

01:31:41.000 The new pit bull, the ones that are lower and bulky are almost like the lowest as an English bulldog, but are overmuscled.

01:31:48.000 I always wonder how useful are they? 1.00

01:31:51.000 Well, if they get a hold of you, you're fucked. 1.00

01:31:53.000 This I know. 1.00

01:31:54.000 The power is just insane.

01:31:55.000 The power that those things have is insane.

01:31:57.000 But it's bad for...

01:31:59.000 It's really...

01:31:59.000 When you get in an animal like this and you have a hard time breathing, it's not good for them.

01:32:03.000 A dog is supposed to have longer legs so it can move good.

01:32:06.000 Pit bulls were bred for a couple reasons.

01:32:08.000 They were bred for purposes of fighting and purposes of bringing down bulldogs.

01:32:13.000 You know, they run alongside the bull, grab the nose ring, drop their weight, flip, essentially flip a bull. 1.00

01:32:18.000 So I'm just thinking to myself, as we like the aesthetics of what they look like, like, what are we really doing to these little guys where they're fucking, they're buff to shit, but they're short as shit. 0.99

01:32:26.000 It's hard to get up a pair of steps for them, you know? 0.99

01:32:28.000 They have such amazing qualities because of the fact they're game bred.

01:32:31.000 Because the ones that responded negatively to people, that would growl at people or show aggression to people, they culled them.

01:32:38.000 So the ones that are real game dogs, those little 35 pound males, those are the best dogs on the planet Earth.

01:32:45.000 Man, I've been trying to convince Shea for like three years.

01:32:47.000 They love everybody.

01:32:47.000 She's like, I want a dog.

01:32:48.000 I'm like, Shea, I'm sorry. 1.00

01:32:50.000 I can't do like these other rappers and get a fucking girl dog and act like that. 1.00

01:32:55.000 You already make me hold your fucking purse. 1.00

01:32:57.000 I'm not going to have a girl dog. 1.00

01:32:59.000 There's all the Instagram pictures. 1.00

01:32:59.000 Yeah, it's straight to fuck up. 1.00

01:33:00.000 All the Instagram pictures of you holding her purse are hilarious. 0.99

01:33:02.000 I'm just like, I buy these things. 0.99

01:33:04.000 They're thousands of fucking dollars. 0.99

01:33:05.000 I shouldn't be having to color coordinate because you want to fucking walk around. 1.00

01:33:10.000 Hold my purse. 0.99

01:33:11.000 Yeah, I have to go to Phoenix Sky.

01:33:13.000 That's one of her favorite stores. 1.00

01:33:14.000 I'm going to Phoenix Sky, hold my fucking purse. 1.00

01:33:16.000 I'm like, fuck. 1.00

01:33:17.000 Your purse is a hilarious checkmate move that girls put on you. 1.00

01:33:21.000 Her gun is in there, though, so I feel a little manly, but it's still a fucking Louis Vuitton purse. 0.99

01:33:26.000 But if I had a pit, a great, great, great pit, then I'd be, you know, I'm just like, I can't get a girl dog. 1.00

01:33:33.000 I gotta get a pit bull. 1.00

01:33:34.000 You can get a little pit bull and people won't even know it's a pit bull.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, and they're nice.

01:33:38.000 I told her about my oldest daughter's 21 now, Anaya.

01:33:41.000 And we had a pit named Coca. 0.54

01:33:45.000 Anaya, for some reason, did not like sleeping in her bed or laying down.

01:33:50.000 Anaya, we would have to, and this is when I'm working. 0.97

01:33:52.000 Like, I'm getting up, going to work at the fucking Advanced Auto Parts. 0.98

01:33:55.000 Her mom is in school, in beauty school. 0.99

01:33:57.000 It's like, we're tired.

01:33:58.000 We're young.

01:33:58.000 We're too young to have a baby.

01:33:59.000 We're beat the fuck up. 0.98

01:34:01.000 Anaya would only sleep in her little rocker. 1.00

01:34:04.000 This dog would sleep directly under her.

01:34:07.000 And if you were not me or her mother, you were not walking up there touching this child.

01:34:11.000 Whoa.

01:34:11.000 And when my daughter was awake, she was her best friend.

01:34:13.000 She could ride her like a horse. 0.99

01:34:14.000 She could tell her to sit, stand, move. 0.55

01:34:16.000 She'd do anything.

01:34:17.000 But in her eyes, her purpose in life was to make sure that this child was safe.

01:34:21.000 That's amazing.

01:34:22.000 Those are the pit bulls I know. 0.72

01:34:23.000 Big boy, Pitfall Kennels, his brother, he and James have one.

01:34:26.000 They have amazing dogs.

01:34:28.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those out there.

01:34:30.000 There's a lot of great pit bulls out there.

01:34:32.000 The only problem with pit bulls is they have an aggression towards other dogs.

01:34:35.000 They do.

01:34:35.000 They absolutely do.

01:34:36.000 You have another dog around, there's likely going to be a scrap.

01:34:39.000 And it got to be exhausting for me.

01:34:41.000 I understand that.

01:34:42.000 I'm pro one or two.

01:34:45.000 My thing is you should only have one or two pits.

01:34:48.000 You should have one pit that's dedicated to you and the family, or you should have two pits that are part of the family and they understand who's the dominant and who's the alpha and who's the beta.

01:34:57.000 I had one pit that I got from the pound and she had been in the pound for like five months. 0.98

01:35:01.000 She was in the LA animal shelter.

01:35:03.000 She was only 11 months old.

01:35:04.000 She was a prison dog, basically. 0.91

01:35:06.000 Most of her life had been locked up in this little cage. 0.99

01:35:08.000 And that dog, if anybody else wanted to get pet, she would get up to them and go, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:35:15.000 She would show her teeth and growl at them. 1.00

01:35:17.000 She didn't want anybody getting pet but her.

01:35:19.000 Any other dogs that tried to move in, she would growl at them, box them out.

01:35:23.000 She'd box them out, like check them.

01:35:24.000 Like if you're trying to pet one of the other dogs, like no, no, no.

01:35:26.000 She'd get right up in there.

01:35:27.000 You know what I found with them?

01:35:29.000 They're like children in that they throw tantrums. 0.71

01:35:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:32.000 So if they get lonely, and they get lonely without you, like they miss you, they'll do shit like just tear up the fucking sofa or the house or do the laundry. 1.00

01:35:40.000 And then you'll get there, you'll call them, you're looking for them, and they're like, oh shit, I fucked up. 0.99

01:35:44.000 And they're hiding in the room and shit. 1.00

01:35:47.000 They're brilliant little fuckers. 1.00

01:35:49.000 My man CeeLo had a bunch of great pits back in the days. 1.00

01:35:53.000 I'm going to get a pit bull. 1.00

01:35:54.000 I'm declaring that today.

01:35:55.000 Shayna can't tell me what to do.

01:35:56.000 Wow.

01:35:57.000 That's happening.

01:35:57.000 As long as you're a responsible owner, train it well, make sure it doesn't get loose.

01:36:02.000 Yeah, and I don't believe in fighting dogs.

01:36:04.000 No.

01:36:04.000 Not fighting.

01:36:05.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:36:06.000 They're escape artists, too. 1.00

01:36:08.000 You've got to be careful. 1.00

01:36:08.000 Those motherfuckers can climb a fence. 1.00

01:36:10.000 They can climb a fence. 1.00

01:36:11.000 They're smart enough to open a gate.

01:36:12.000 Yeah.

01:36:12.000 I've seen them run up a tree.

01:36:15.000 My oldest daughter has a tiny little dog and it's one of the smartest dogs I've ever seen because it's part Chihuahua and part Australian Shepherd dog, I think.

01:36:25.000 But it's the only dog I've ever had where its paw got caught on the leash and it lifted its leg up And put it behind the leash.

01:36:34.000 I've never seen a dog do that. 0.99

01:36:35.000 Dogs get that one arm in front of the leash, and then they're fucked. 1.00

01:36:39.000 I can't do anything! 0.99

01:36:40.000 You gotta help me!

01:36:41.000 This dog looked at that and went, oh, this is easy. 1.00

01:36:44.000 And I looked at them like, you little motherfucker. 1.00

01:36:46.000 You're a smart little dude. 1.00

01:36:48.000 My wife had an Australian Shepherd when I met her, Muffy. 1.00

01:36:51.000 Smart fucking dogs. 1.00

01:36:54.000 And Chihuahuas are smart and can be mean. 1.00

01:36:56.000 They can be mean.

01:36:59.000 Yeah, surprisingly.

01:37:00.000 The weirdest thing is that all those came from wolves.

01:37:02.000 Everything came from a wolf.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 All of them.

01:37:05.000 That's nuts.

01:37:06.000 Every dog.

01:37:07.000 Somehow or another, we took a wolf.

01:37:08.000 And people are going to get mad when I say this.

01:37:09.000 Some people in my community, but...

01:37:11.000 And humans, it's all for monkeys.

01:37:15.000 What are you saying?

01:37:16.000 That was the words of Killer Mike, just listening.

01:37:21.000 We definitely didn't pop up just like we are.

01:37:25.000 I don't believe that anyway.

01:37:26.000 What do you think happened?

01:37:27.000 I don't know.

01:37:28.000 I don't know what happened, but my wife says, jokingly, you gotta know my wife.

01:37:31.000 She's very cool, very down to earth.

01:37:33.000 She's my best friend. 0.96

01:37:34.000 She speaks in this thick, Creole-like accent, and she'll just say things blindly out of nowhere that are fucking hilarious. 0.99

01:37:41.000 We're watching Planet of the Apes, and she says, you know? 0.99

01:37:46.000 People are getting mad about it, but shit, when you look at them, human beings do look like monkeys. 0.99

01:37:53.000 I mean, we probably were swinging the fuck around a few thousand... 1.00

01:37:56.000 And I'm just thinking to myself, you do realize in the black community that's an insult to even call us. 1.00

01:38:02.000 And she's just... 0.98

01:38:02.000 Because she's black, of course. 0.98

01:38:03.000 She's just like, hey, man. 0.95

01:38:06.000 She pointed the screen.

01:38:07.000 I'm just like, yeah, we probably evolved.

01:38:10.000 You know, and people can have whatever debates they want to about it, but...

01:38:15.000 You know, I think that we act a lot just like... 0.99

01:38:18.000 I think human beings are arrogant because we think we can communicate and we can use tools to build shit. 0.99

01:38:23.000 But basically, we're hairless apes. 0.99

01:38:25.000 And, you know, just because we can communicate doesn't mean we're communicating the right things.

01:38:29.000 Animals live in harmony with nature in a very different way.

01:38:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:33.000 They kill for hunger.

01:38:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:34.000 Apes can kill for reasons that are non-hunger related and things of that nature.

01:38:38.000 So we know that's a part of us.

01:38:40.000 But I honestly think we evolved from something that didn't necessarily look like us.

01:38:46.000 Yeah.

01:38:46.000 That may have swung from a tree.

01:38:48.000 We're the most advanced of the primates, but we exhibit characteristics that we can see in the lower primates, and if you pay attention to all the top scientists who have been studying human evolution, they're all pretty much in agreement that there was something that we were all similar to,

01:39:04.000 and they all branched off in a bunch of different ways.

01:39:05.000 It's amazing they keep finding new forms of people, too.

01:39:08.000 Yeah, I saw one.

01:39:10.000 Desinovian or something like that, that's what it's called?

01:39:13.000 The one from Russia. 0.98

01:39:14.000 So do you think Aliens really popped down, fucked a monkey, and we popped out nine months later, and here we go? 0.99

01:39:20.000 Oh, look, that would be the most fun. 0.99

01:39:21.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

01:39:22.000 That would be the most fun.

01:39:23.000 I think if a pit stop happened, and what was the movie that was really crappy, not as good as it should have been, that was the Aliens, like, precursor or something, it showed essentially where they came.

01:39:31.000 Oh, Prometheus.

01:39:32.000 Prometheus, right.

01:39:32.000 It should have been very good in theory.

01:39:34.000 Yeah.

01:39:34.000 But yeah, I think that that's the possibility.

01:39:36.000 Aliens were chick hanging out at the moon, say, yo, look at the blue plants, let's fucking go see what it is, and say, yo, wow, that monkey looks great. 0.99

01:39:43.000 Fuck the shit out of it, got out of there, and the next thing you know, you have war and pestilence and violence and poverty and MMA. And joints. 1.00

01:39:51.000 But one monkey that accelerated way past all the other ones.

01:39:57.000 Like one invention.

01:39:58.000 The ability to communicate, having opposable thumbs, the ability to communicate, and then it started advancing.

01:40:04.000 As soon as it started talking.

01:40:07.000 Started figuring out ways to express itself to each other.

01:40:10.000 And then they started making things and they're off to the races.

01:40:12.000 The next thing you know, a couple hundred thousand years later, the world's different. 1.00

01:40:16.000 It's like this thing erupts and then just covers the world with its shit. 0.99

01:40:20.000 And that's us. 0.99

01:40:21.000 How do you subscribe to the theory that we just may be a virus and the earth may be getting rid of us?

01:40:26.000 Well...

01:40:27.000 No one would like to think that, right?

01:40:29.000 But the reason you call a virus something, it's just a word that's been assigned to a living organism in a system by medical science.

01:40:36.000 I mean, we all know what a virus is.

01:40:38.000 It's a real thing.

01:40:39.000 It's amazing that these brilliant people have discovered it and come up with vaccines to stop and prevent them.

01:40:45.000 But it's some sort of a life form, really, essentially.

01:40:47.000 Now, if we looked at the Earth as being a living organism...

01:40:50.000 And we should.

01:40:52.000 Certainly, you can make an argument that it's a kind of a life form.

01:40:55.000 That it's a host of massive amounts of life.

01:40:58.000 Of all the life.

01:41:00.000 You would think that maybe some of those things would not be in harmony, just like some of those things in a human body aren't in harmony. 0.99

01:41:06.000 Your gut bacteria is off, or you've got a cold because there's bacteria in your body that you picked up from a fucking... 0.98

01:41:13.000 Bathroom somewhere, whatever. 1.00

01:41:14.000 You're sick. 1.00

01:41:15.000 Absolutely. 0.98

01:41:15.000 All that stuff could easily apply to how human beings interact with the earth. 0.98

01:41:21.000 Are we the virus, though?

01:41:22.000 Because when you've got to look at it, at some point, the earth is, or the theory is, it's a living, breathing organism.

01:41:28.000 Here's what I can say for sure.

01:41:30.000 Okay.

01:41:30.000 We are the virus to the ocean, because we don't even live in it.

01:41:33.000 And think about it.

01:41:34.000 Yeah.

01:41:35.000 That's life.

01:41:35.000 Yeah.

01:41:38.000 We were something that crawled out of the ocean.

01:41:40.000 Right.

01:41:41.000 Imagine if the ocean was, I mean, I don't know what it was like a couple hundred thousand years ago.

01:41:46.000 We are getting really stoned now.

01:41:47.000 This is where our fans want us to go. 1.00

01:41:49.000 We're stoned as fuck. 0.99

01:41:50.000 I don't know what the ocean was like a couple hundred thousand years ago, before people really became what we are, tool-using, you know, people that figured out how to get out into the ocean and capture fish. 0.99

01:42:01.000 Imagine if you could see it.

01:42:03.000 Imagine if you could see an image of how many fucking fish were out there 200,000 years ago versus how many are now. 0.99

01:42:09.000 It's like they live next to a vampire that just keeps sucking the life out of it. 0.99

01:42:15.000 I bet we've killed 50% of all life in the ocean.

01:42:19.000 That's what I'm saying, bro.

01:42:20.000 We have to think of ourselves at some point, you gotta say.

01:42:25.000 Maybe the best thing human beings could do for the Earth is to end humanity.

01:42:29.000 Maybe, but maybe viruses are there for a reason too.

01:42:32.000 Maybe it all needs to exist.

01:42:34.000 There needs to be some sort of a balance.

01:42:36.000 We're always trying to eliminate bad things. 0.98

01:42:38.000 Maybe they do serve some sort of weird fucking purpose. 0.98

01:42:41.000 So even in that, we find purpose as humans. 0.99

01:42:44.000 That's the talent of humans.

01:42:45.000 The ability to adjust and make logic out of us being here.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, well, and to keep moving and make more of us.

01:42:52.000 Does China make it to the moon? 0.89

01:42:53.000 They grew cotton on the moon apparently already, right?

01:42:55.000 Yeah, they grew something on the moon, but it died.

01:42:57.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 It died quickly.

01:42:58.000 I was happy that it was cotton because seeing as how they're the biggest investor in Africa and China was growing cotton, that didn't go well for black people 500 years ago.

01:43:08.000 So I was just like, please don't let cotton grow on the moon.

01:43:10.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:43:11.000 I don't want the trans-Moonlandic slave trade to start and I have to learn Mandarin and shit. 1.00

01:43:16.000 So, do you think they actually set up shop before us? 0.98

01:43:21.000 Or is America still number one?

01:43:22.000 Because it feels like, I feel like we lost that day.

01:43:25.000 When China landed on the moon? 1.00

01:43:27.000 Yeah, I feel like, oh shit. 0.99

01:43:29.000 You know, I've grown up being, you know, like I'm black, I'm American, but I like America. 0.99

01:43:35.000 I like America.

01:43:35.000 I love America.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:43:37.000 I feel like we're bad. 0.98

01:43:38.000 Like Frederick Douglass, when asked would he leave, I answered, you know, like what the fuck am I going to leave for? 0.88

01:43:44.000 When I see something like the moon landing, the China, growing the plants and landing their... 1.00

01:43:50.000 What exactly was it?

01:43:52.000 What was the kind of ship that they landed on the moon?

01:43:55.000 I don't know.

01:43:56.000 They put one on the moon apparently.

01:43:57.000 Some remote landing.

01:43:58.000 On the dark side though.

01:43:59.000 Right.

01:44:00.000 On the side that we didn't make it to or just went and told them not to come back.

01:44:03.000 It was a drone, right?

01:44:04.000 Yeah.

01:44:04.000 Is that what it was?

01:44:05.000 Some sort of a drone?

01:44:05.000 Yeah.

01:44:06.000 I honestly think about that as a win for science and for innovation.

01:44:10.000 I don't think about it in terms of nations.

01:44:12.000 Because I feel like that is done by scientists.

01:44:15.000 That's done by the wizards and the geniuses.

01:44:17.000 So are you saying we're going to steal the scientists? 0.98

01:44:19.000 Because when Kennedy gave the fucking speech, Kennedy made it seem like the moon landing was going to make us the preeminent nation. 0.98

01:44:25.000 And I think that's the propaganda China's going to ruin. 0.99

01:44:28.000 You don't think? 0.99

01:44:28.000 Well, I think they have some fucking amazing technology, and to deny that would be ridiculous. 0.99

01:44:33.000 But I also think that it's important that everybody be competitive in this. 0.97

01:44:39.000 If you really want to make things better, you're not going to do that in a vacuum.

01:44:44.000 What helps the technological innovation, and one of the reasons why it's so accelerated, is there's so many people working on it.

01:44:49.000 It's not just a few people trying to make cell phones better.

01:44:52.000 There's fucking so many geniuses out there. 0.75

01:44:54.000 So when I see something like this, like they landed on the moon, I go, the geniuses won. 0.98

01:44:58.000 You just gave me hope.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 They're Chinese people, but they're just people.

01:45:02.000 We're all just people.

01:45:03.000 Absolutely.

01:45:04.000 And the idea that they're going to all get those people on that side to think the same way is what we're worried about, right?

01:45:10.000 That it would be us versus them, and their technology is going to impact our life.

01:45:14.000 Well, that's the way we frame it as a country.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, we always worry about that.

01:45:17.000 Yeah, we have to admit that.

01:45:18.000 That's the way we frame it.

01:45:19.000 But if you look at the history of the world, that happened so many times.

01:45:23.000 I think it makes sense to be worried about the rest of the world.

01:45:26.000 I get it.

01:45:27.000 And I'm on this side of the fence.

01:45:29.000 And no pun with that.

01:45:31.000 I'm an American, so you definitely want to know if Red October is going to happen tomorrow. 1.00

01:45:39.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:45:39.000 I think Russians don't hate us. 1.00

01:45:41.000 I don't think anybody has a quarrel with anybody over there.

01:45:44.000 The hustle is that the real interaction is between a very small amount of people that involves all these other people that are with them for some strange reason. 0.88

01:45:53.000 I think they should just be thrown essentially in a stadium to fight to their death. 0.82

01:45:57.000 Putin would be the king of the world. 1.00

01:45:59.000 He'd fuck everybody up. 0.99

01:46:01.000 Him and that other dude that runs the other little country next door that was on Real Sports. 0.99

01:46:04.000 Chechnya? 0.85

01:46:05.000 Yeah, that guy is a huge supporter of MMA fighting. 0.99

01:46:09.000 Yeah, he's a fucking badass. 0.98

01:46:09.000 Yeah, there's some beasts over there. 0.98

01:46:12.000 You know how bad Putin would fuck up Trump? 1.00

01:46:15.000 Oh, Christ. 1.00

01:46:17.000 A fight to the death with Putin?

01:46:20.000 I would actually probably bet Putin versus Obama, too.

01:46:24.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:46:26.000 Look, Obama's probably better in a debate, but Putin's a real killer. 0.98

01:46:30.000 Exactly, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

01:46:31.000 He's like a real killer.

01:46:32.000 I think you'd have to go all the way... 0.93

01:46:37.000 Bush 1, I think, was badass maybe as a younger man.

01:46:40.000 I mean, to lead the CIA, you've got to have some killer in you.

01:46:43.000 Yes.

01:46:43.000 He was a tough guy.

01:46:44.000 But I probably have to get all the way back to Kennedy in terms of physical prowess, and his back was bad.

01:46:49.000 I think you've got to go to Abraham Lincoln.

01:46:51.000 He was a wrestler.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, he was wiry.

01:46:53.000 He had that farmer build, farmer strength.

01:46:56.000 He did.

01:46:56.000 Wiry.

01:46:57.000 Those old dudes back then, you had to carry everything.

01:47:00.000 It's real.

01:47:00.000 They didn't, you know, farm work was real work.

01:47:03.000 Yeah, just Abraham Lincoln.

01:47:04.000 Carried everything everywhere.

01:47:05.000 It's all that. 1.00

01:47:05.000 All those dudes are just wiry as fuck. 1.00

01:47:07.000 He was a wrestler, too. 1.00

01:47:08.000 Yeah, I heard.

01:47:11.000 He's beloved in my community.

01:47:12.000 We like him a lot.

01:47:13.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:47:14.000 He wrote this little thing called Emancipation Proclamation. 1.00

01:47:17.000 Did you see that stupid fucking movie where they had him as a vampire slayer? 1.00

01:47:21.000 Did you ever see that? 1.00

01:47:21.000 Nah, I saw the trailer and decided maybe that's not the one for me. 1.00

01:47:25.000 That was so weird.

01:47:26.000 That was one of the ones you're happy your kids don't ask you to go see.

01:47:29.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 Jamie, didn't you say it was based on a graphic novel?

01:47:32.000 Yeah.

01:47:33.000 So it was like a fun comic book that somebody made and then they turned it into a movie.

01:47:38.000 As a movie, it was like so weird.

01:47:40.000 As a graphic novel, it probably worked better.

01:47:41.000 Yeah, there's some things that work better.

01:47:44.000 That just stay in their world. 0.97

01:47:45.000 Yeah, right?

01:47:46.000 Who greenlights that movie, though? 1.00

01:47:47.000 Who says fuck it? 1.00

01:47:49.000 That's it. 1.00

01:47:50.000 It was a fun movie. 0.99

01:47:51.000 I mean, it was dumb and fun. 0.98

01:47:53.000 Yeah, but I'm just saying, though. 0.97

01:47:54.000 No disrespect.

01:47:55.000 I liked it.

01:47:55.000 Yeah, but who gets it?

01:47:56.000 Who gets that movie?

01:47:58.000 The pitch me.

01:47:59.000 Yeah, right.

01:48:00.000 So, Abraham Lincoln. 1.00

01:48:01.000 He's gonna kill vampires with an axe. 1.00

01:48:03.000 He's gonna fucking kill vampires with an axe. 1.00

01:48:05.000 What? 1.00

01:48:06.000 What?

01:48:07.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 They probably said another president first, and they said who, and then they said A. Rowling.

01:48:11.000 What's up, T? Produced by Tim Burton, so...

01:48:13.000 Oh, I love that dude.

01:48:15.000 He's wacky, though.

01:48:16.000 He does a lot of wacky stuff.

01:48:18.000 Yeah, was he Beetlejuice or something, too?

01:48:19.000 Who else was Tim Burton?

01:48:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:48:22.000 Shouts out to Tim.

01:48:23.000 He's so...

01:48:24.000 Yo, can we get a John Woo film soon?

01:48:26.000 Can we get another Hard Boiled or The Killer?

01:48:29.000 Could we get...

01:48:29.000 Yeah, when was the last?

01:48:30.000 Man, it's been a long time.

01:48:31.000 And his American movies, although good, were nothing like the foreign films.

01:48:35.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 Hyper-violent, stylistically beautiful.

01:48:39.000 Slow motion was used crazy.

01:48:41.000 Him or Tarantino, I'd just love to drop a movie this year.

01:48:44.000 Yeah.

01:48:45.000 I think his style heavily influenced John Wick.

01:48:49.000 Oh, yes.

01:48:50.000 A hundred percent, right?

01:48:51.000 Hell yeah. 0.99

01:48:53.000 Damn, sorry. 1.00

01:48:54.000 Yes! 0.99

01:48:56.000 I was wondering why the fuck I love John Wick movies. 0.99

01:48:59.000 Hyper-violence. 0.98

01:49:00.000 Hyper-violence, beautiful old-school cars, too.

01:49:03.000 But the suit, beyond the guns, the magic of the slow-moving suit and the lead characters.

01:49:09.000 Keanu Reeves is badass, man.

01:49:10.000 Dresses impeccably to go assassinate people. 0.97

01:49:13.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:49:13.000 Perfect attire. 0.99

01:49:15.000 Him, his pit, and his old school.

01:49:16.000 Yes.

01:49:17.000 I mean, come on, man.

01:49:18.000 Driving around a 70s Chevelle SS and a 69 Mach 1. Come on.

01:49:23.000 Come on.

01:49:24.000 True.

01:49:25.000 That movie's amazing.

01:49:26.000 That it really is.

01:49:27.000 The second one, I liked.

01:49:29.000 I loved the first, I liked the second, and I think I'm going to love the third.

01:49:32.000 I'm hoping, please.

01:49:33.000 I didn't see any cars, though.

01:49:34.000 I saw the previews.

01:49:35.000 I didn't see cars.

01:49:36.000 I saw motorcycles.

01:49:37.000 Gotta give them a car.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, they always go to motorcycles. 1.00

01:49:40.000 They fuck up. 0.99

01:49:40.000 I always wonder. 0.99

01:49:41.000 You gotta give them a car.

01:49:42.000 People don't understand.

01:49:43.000 Men want to go to see that car.

01:49:45.000 Motorcycles bring out the teenage boys, though.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:49:48.000 I remember ordering Cycle World when I didn't even have a motorcycle.

01:49:50.000 And my mom was like, you're going to get a magazine and she has a Cycle World.

01:49:53.000 That's true, right?

01:49:54.000 Muscle cars are for old men. 1.00

01:49:56.000 Teenage boys want ninja bikes.

01:49:58.000 Oh, let me tell you something.

01:49:59.000 I want to share this secret with the world.

01:50:00.000 A lot of people don't know this.

01:50:01.000 Old white guys and young black men have the same interests.

01:50:04.000 They both like young black women. 0.96

01:50:06.000 They both like muscle cars.

01:50:09.000 They both like slightly gaudy jewelry, you know, not working in money.

01:50:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:14.000 But Muscle Car to Crowd, if you go to a Mecham auction, you're going to see young black guys and old white guys talking to one another. 0.85

01:50:23.000 It's one of the most beautiful sights I've ever seen.

01:50:24.000 That's hilarious.

01:50:25.000 Shouts out to Mike, an old guy I met at a Mecham auction.

01:50:29.000 There's a bunch of those auctions, right?

01:50:31.000 There's Barrett Jackson, there's Mecham...

01:50:33.000 Mecham is the working man's Barrett Jackson. 0.72

01:50:35.000 Oh, what's the difference?

01:50:36.000 You can actually afford the cars that you see.

01:50:38.000 You know, Barrett Jackson is beautiful cars, but you know...

01:50:41.000 You're going.

01:50:42.000 You're going to spend a little money.

01:50:43.000 They got cars you can get for it.

01:50:44.000 But with that said, they say the inspection process is better.

01:50:48.000 And Mecham is a blue-collar guy who might have retired, but he wants to go to an auction.

01:50:52.000 He gets a great car.

01:50:54.000 He's probably going to know something about cars and look it over himself.

01:50:58.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:59.000 There's something about the camaraderie of a fellow muscle car enthusiast.

01:51:04.000 Yes.

01:51:04.000 You know?

01:51:05.000 When you could find a dude who's also just as stupid as you. 1.00

01:51:08.000 Yes. 1.00

01:51:08.000 To pour money in something that's never going to fully make you happy as you want to be. 1.00

01:51:13.000 There's some guys that I'm friends with that there's an extra bond because they're just as stupid about cars as I am. 1.00

01:51:19.000 Man, shouts out to my man Ron Ball. 0.99

01:51:22.000 You've given more shouts out than anyone in the history of the podcast?

01:51:24.000 Because this is what you're supposed to do.

01:51:26.000 Shouts out to Ron Ball and Mike Musto.

01:51:29.000 I love Mike Musto.

01:51:30.000 If you go on House of Muscles, Mike has my 96 Impala, which I got from Sean at Autotopia.

01:51:35.000 Shouts out to Sean.

01:51:36.000 Got it from him.

01:51:38.000 Got the 96 Impala with under 1,100 miles on it at the time.

01:51:43.000 Ron did some slight adjustment.

01:51:44.000 He works over at 4G Auto.

01:51:45.000 Just make the car even beautiful.

01:51:47.000 Just tweaked it, lowered it a little bit.

01:51:48.000 Did some cool stuff, and Mike featured it.

01:51:50.000 That's nice.

01:51:51.000 I have different people that are pockets of my life that love you, so as I'm shouting people out, I appreciate you letting me do it, but I know they'll appreciate it.

01:51:59.000 That's awesome. 0.96

01:52:00.000 You're Joe fucking Rogan. 0.93

01:52:01.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:52:02.000 You're killer fucking Mike. 1.00

01:52:02.000 Yeah, it's a big deal. 1.00

01:52:03.000 I'm here.

01:52:04.000 Mike Tyson was here.

01:52:06.000 I know.

01:52:06.000 He was there.

01:52:06.000 All right.

01:52:07.000 Back to Mike Musto.

01:52:08.000 We were talking about how weird it was to meet Mike Tyson.

01:52:12.000 It's so strange to hang out and talk to him. 0.95

01:52:15.000 He's so iconic that whenever you're around him, there's like 10% of you that has to go, holy shit, it's Mike Tyson. 0.98

01:52:21.000 No matter what else you're saying, 10% of your brain is going, holy shit, that's Mike Tyson. 0.96

01:52:27.000 When you showed the clip of the 51-year-old Mike Tyson hitting a bag, I remember as a child, he was the first person I see. 0.98

01:52:35.000 I have two dads.

01:52:35.000 I have a non-bio and a bio dad.

01:52:37.000 And he was the first person I had seen in my life where I say, this guy could probably beat my dad.

01:52:42.000 You know, like everybody else, you know, because my dad's a pretty tough guy.

01:52:46.000 I had been a policeman, was pretty good with his hands.

01:52:48.000 My bio dad, I mean, my non-bio father was a 6'7".

01:52:50.000 You know, he played offensive tackle on the same high school team as Richard did.

01:52:54.000 So I got some...

01:52:55.000 Pretty, you know, badass dads.

01:52:56.000 Not, they're acting tough.

01:52:57.000 They just, you feel protected as a child.

01:52:59.000 Right. 0.99

01:52:59.000 I remember just seeing Mike Tyson just like, whoa, this guy could probably fucking kill everything. 0.99

01:53:06.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

01:53:07.000 He hit with such vicious and evil intent.

01:53:10.000 It was amazing.

01:53:11.000 Yeah, he can still do it.

01:53:12.000 Yeah, that's what I saw when he was hitting the bag.

01:53:14.000 He's still terrifying.

01:53:16.000 Yeah, if he was a young contender coming up, you would look at him and go, wow, this guy getting punched.

01:53:19.000 Yeah.

01:53:20.000 He doesn't have nearly the hand speed that he had when he was young.

01:53:23.000 Look at that, man.

01:53:24.000 Yeah.

01:53:24.000 That was the peak.

01:53:27.000 He had an amazing story, though, man.

01:53:29.000 Listening to him describe his childhood and how Customato had hypnotized him, that was amazing, because I'd never heard him talk about that before, and that's what people need to understand, like who he was.

01:53:40.000 People want to say, oh, he was hyper-aggressive, and he did terrible things, and he was violent.

01:53:47.000 Think of how this kid grew up, how he developed.

01:53:50.000 He was an orphan.

01:53:51.000 Yes.

01:53:51.000 He was literally orphaned.

01:53:52.000 Taken in by this one guy the first time in his life where anything is positive and it's all about fighting and being a destroyer.

01:53:58.000 And he gets hypnotized by this guy to be a destroyer.

01:54:01.000 And he's a physical specimen.

01:54:03.000 He really is.

01:54:03.000 You put your hand, you grab, it's just his hand, like his whole body is like carved out of a large block of rock.

01:54:11.000 He's a tank of a man.

01:54:12.000 Wow.

01:54:12.000 You know, still to this day, he's a tank.

01:54:14.000 Absolutely.

01:54:15.000 And when he was young, they saw that right away.

01:54:17.000 Teddy Atlas said on this podcast that when Mike was 13, he weighed 190 pounds.

01:54:23.000 And they didn't believe he was 13. They thought he was sandbagging.

01:54:25.000 They put him in at 16. He's like, yeah, okay, say he's 16. Nobody would believe he's He's 13. And they were, come on!

01:54:31.000 You're saying this fucking kid's 13. They didn't want to believe it. 1.00

01:54:34.000 And he just let them have it.

01:54:35.000 Okay.

01:54:35.000 Okay, you don't want to...

01:54:36.000 Because he said people were always lying about how many fights people had.

01:54:39.000 They would always say he's only had 10 fights.

01:54:41.000 And you see the guy move immediately.

01:54:42.000 I'm like, oh my God, this guy's had 50 fights.

01:54:44.000 You can see him watching him.

01:54:45.000 And Teddy was saying that that was always the hustle, that everybody always lied a little bit about someone's record.

01:54:49.000 And when they saw Mike Tyson at 13, weighing 190 pounds, just... 0.99

01:54:54.000 Fucking specimen. 0.98

01:54:56.000 There's some people that are just built perfect for certain things. 1.00

01:55:00.000 And he was built to be that.

01:55:02.000 He was built perfect for bobbing and weaving and getting in tight. 0.82

01:55:06.000 And he was so fucking fast. 0.98

01:55:08.000 His hooks and the uppercut were so nasty. 0.97

01:55:12.000 Which fighter has that uppercut? 0.98

01:55:15.000 Lennox Lewis had a tremendous uppercut.

01:55:17.000 Yeah, there's some fighters today.

01:55:18.000 Anthony Joshua has a tremendous uppercut.

01:55:22.000 Yeah, there's some amazing talent today.

01:55:26.000 But what Mike had done was revitalize the entire country's image of the heavyweight division.

01:55:34.000 The heavyweight division got boring for a while.

01:55:36.000 Absolutely.

01:55:37.000 No disrespect, but there was guys like Pinklin Thomas, who's a champion, and Tony Tubbs.

01:55:41.000 They weren't the kind of guy that you'd look forward to seeing as being the champion of the world.

01:55:45.000 He didn't believe it.

01:55:46.000 Like, I don't believe that's the toughest guy in the world.

01:55:48.000 He might be a tough guy.

01:55:49.000 I'm sure he's a tough guy.

01:55:50.000 He's a professional boxer, but I don't think that's the best guy.

01:55:52.000 And then Tyson came along.

01:55:54.000 There he is.

01:55:54.000 Mike had the perfect name.

01:55:56.000 He had the perfect look.

01:55:57.000 He had the perfect body.

01:55:58.000 He had the perfect image.

01:55:59.000 And he came at the perfect time.

01:56:00.000 When you look at hip-hop and where it was and where Mike was at the time, it was a perfect synergy for him to become a hero. 0.93

01:56:08.000 Mike Tyson, Mike Jordan, these people became icons at a time where the United States, like in the 80s, after getting opaque, kicking ass in the 80s, That crisis fucking up the 70s, Iran, shit at the end of the 70s, early 80s. 0.75

01:56:23.000 Steel, I remember my grandfather worked at Hall Steel. 0.80

01:56:25.000 I remember Steel, my other grandfather, Steel leaving America.

01:56:29.000 I remember it just kind of being...

01:56:32.000 It wasn't as proud.

01:56:34.000 And he was one of those things that made you feel badass.

01:56:38.000 And the times feel dangerous.

01:56:41.000 And he wore black in those little boxers.

01:56:43.000 He didn't wear the boots.

01:56:44.000 He wasn't flashy.

01:56:45.000 He was a perfect villain at a time where villainy, N.W.A., you know what I'm saying?

01:56:50.000 It was celebrated.

01:56:52.000 Danger.

01:56:53.000 I think he was perfect for the time.

01:56:55.000 And I think he's perfect for now.

01:56:56.000 Like what Mike is, when I hear him interview and I really talk and people make fun of his lisp or whatever, and I think that gets in the way of you hearing the real wisdom he's saying a lot of times.

01:57:06.000 Like Mike has repeatedly talked about change and about growth and about how he doesn't see things the same. 0.73

01:57:12.000 And I think if we actually listen to that, it kind of challenges us to do the same shit that we really don't want to do. 0.57

01:57:18.000 Yeah, he's one of the rare guys that you'll talk to that accomplished an insane amount. 0.96

01:57:22.000 Literally became one of the most famous boxers in the history of the sport.

01:57:26.000 And you talk about him now, and all he wants to do is dismiss that past life.

01:57:30.000 He wants to... 0.89

01:57:31.000 Like, I was silly. 0.74

01:57:33.000 Look at me. 0.99

01:57:33.000 I'm a silly person. 0.99

01:57:34.000 Yeah, like, he's a real warrior. 0.96

01:57:36.000 Like, he's...

01:57:38.000 He's like in a classic Kung Fu film, he's the reluctant teacher almost. 0.93

01:57:42.000 You do a movie, Mike is the guy who is a student go to beg to teach you to fight, and you want to know why he won't teach you, and it's because you find out later your teacher killed someone in the ring or some shit. 0.78

01:57:55.000 He is really that character.

01:57:58.000 He is a...

01:57:59.000 You could tell, even with the pigeons back in the days, that there's kindness and love in there somewhere.

01:58:06.000 And now he gets to express it to human beings.

01:58:09.000 You just see he's a happier person, you know what I mean?

01:58:12.000 Until you bring up Don King's name.

01:58:13.000 Yeah, don't do that. 0.92

01:58:14.000 Yeah, and then you get scared like he's going to fucking beat me up and my dad too, you know?

01:58:19.000 The crazy thing about him selling weed now is that he... 0.80

01:58:24.000 What did they charge him?

01:58:24.000 $300,000, I think, for he tested positive for the Andrew Gulotta fight for weed.

01:58:29.000 So they fined him $300,000.

01:58:31.000 They just stole money from him because he had weed in his system.

01:58:34.000 Wow.

01:58:35.000 Now he sells weed.

01:58:38.000 When are they going to let NFL guys sell weed?

01:58:40.000 They should let everybody smoke it.

01:58:42.000 It's good for your brain.

01:58:43.000 Especially if you're doing something like slamming into each other, running 30 miles an hour.

01:58:48.000 It's probably good to give them something to calm them down.

01:58:52.000 Release some of the inflammation. 0.89

01:58:55.000 Yeah, I mean, grown adults telling you you can or can't do it is just what's ridiculous about it.

01:59:00.000 At the end of the day, a grown adult telling you they can't.

01:59:03.000 The ones who say you shouldn't smoke weed, they don't do it.

01:59:06.000 They don't.

01:59:07.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

01:59:08.000 They have never done it.

01:59:09.000 The ones who do or don't, or the ones who have, and like, I don't do it anymore, I don't like to get high anymore.

01:59:13.000 Those guys, you're like, oh, okay, I get it.

01:59:15.000 You used to, you don't like to do it. 0.99

01:59:16.000 Fucks with your productivity, whatever. 0.99

01:59:18.000 I get it. 1.00

01:59:18.000 But if you've never done it, and you're talking shit about it, you don't even know the benefits. 1.00

01:59:22.000 Nah, you really just want to be like, shut up. 1.00

01:59:23.000 There's benefits, too. 0.99

01:59:25.000 There's definitely some people get fucked up by everything, whether it's weed or alcohol or speed. 0.97

01:59:31.000 People get fucked up by things. 0.99

01:59:32.000 Some people get fucked up by Benadryl. 0.99

01:59:33.000 Yes. 0.98

01:59:34.000 But I can honestly tell you that I read an article in HuffPost or something years ago that talked about parents who smoked and stoners actually being more engaged with their children.

01:59:45.000 So that doesn't mean you get up and you get fried the first thing in the morning to take your kid to school.

01:59:49.000 But it does mean that Where drinkers or smokers would come home and almost avoid the child to smoke or drink or do something else or had other things going on, stoner would literally pop up, may take a hit or two of the joint, and the focus would be more on just being a child parent and kind of kicking it,

02:00:05.000 cooling it.

02:00:06.000 Yeah, you're way more curious when you're high.

02:00:08.000 So if you're just a little bit high and you're around kids, you would be thinking more the way they're thinking or trying to be a little calmer with them and a little bit more patient.

02:00:19.000 It makes you a more relaxed person.

02:00:21.000 Absolutely.

02:00:22.000 Because the anxiety is given to you.

02:00:24.000 Mm-hmm.

02:00:25.000 Shouts out to Chalamet Nagar with Shook once. 1.00

02:00:28.000 Another one.

02:00:28.000 He talked very openly about anxiety and that.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, these are the people I'd like to see you bring up, too.

02:00:33.000 These are great folks.

02:00:34.000 I got that on tape, too.

02:00:35.000 I got that one in audio.

02:00:36.000 It's nice.

02:00:37.000 I was listening to it.

02:00:37.000 I was running.

02:00:38.000 Yeah, like, man.

02:00:39.000 It's good because he reads it.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, we don't acknowledge that.

02:00:41.000 Like, in the African-American community, kidney disease is something that plagues us, and not just diet.

02:00:46.000 Carrying around stress and all that anxiety is bad for your kidneys.

02:00:50.000 That's where your fear and stress beats up the most.

02:00:52.000 Yeah, I think it's very important for all of us to be honest about how we feel.

02:00:56.000 It doesn't make you weak.

02:00:57.000 It just makes you brave enough to be able to express honestly what everybody is probably feeling, but it's scared to bring up because they don't want to be thought of as weak. 0.99

02:01:06.000 They don't want to be a whiny bitch. 1.00

02:01:08.000 So they don't want to tell you what's going on that's wrong. 0.99

02:01:10.000 But especially something like anxiety.

02:01:12.000 The delicate balance of chemicals that exist in the human mind and how much it can be affected by stress and relationships and life in general and your diet and all these other factors.

02:01:22.000 And then there's genetic issues.

02:01:23.000 And some people just have problems.

02:01:26.000 Yeah.

02:01:26.000 And you can get help.

02:01:28.000 You can get help through cognitive therapy.

02:01:31.000 You can get help through medication.

02:01:33.000 There's a lot of people that believe that ecstasy should help people, that they should be able to do MDMA therapy for a lot of people with stress.

02:01:39.000 There's a lot of talk of that now.

02:01:41.000 I think your body, you making the decision on what to put in it, is more in line with right than wrong.

02:01:48.000 Well, especially if there's science behind it.

02:01:50.000 Yeah.

02:01:51.000 Like, if they allowed it to be legal, then you would allow it to be regulated, which means you would allow it to be, like, you would know exactly how many milligrams of this is in this and how much you should take if you weigh 112 pounds versus you weigh 212 pounds.

02:02:05.000 All those things should be taken into consideration by scientists.

02:02:08.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

02:02:09.000 And if we had that, if we just had freedom...

02:02:11.000 I could see that.

02:02:12.000 Yeah.

02:02:12.000 I think they're having a lot of studies, or a lot of success, rather, with veterans and treating veterans with MDMA and MAPS. You know MAPS, the psychedelic organization?

02:02:24.000 No.

02:02:24.000 Have you ever heard of them?

02:02:25.000 They're an organization that is working to try to make psychedelics legal.

02:02:32.000 And one of the things they're pushing initially is this MDMA study that they've done with veterans.

02:02:37.000 And they're showing a significant benefit in reduction of PTSD and stress from veterans who come home. 0.99

02:02:44.000 And they've seen a lot of shit over there. 1.00

02:02:46.000 And they're just, you know, fucked up from it. 1.00

02:02:48.000 And it seems to be one of the best things they've ever found and discovered. 0.96

02:02:52.000 For alleviating.

02:02:53.000 The other thing that they've used it on is, I think John Hopkins had one they did with psilocybin.

02:02:58.000 Same sort of result.

02:02:59.000 Give people psychedelics under controlled situations, and they have a big alleviation of stress from the past.

02:03:06.000 They can let things go.

02:03:07.000 I got introduced to Mushrooms by OutKast DJ Swift, and that was a beautiful experience.

02:03:13.000 I introduced my wife to him because of that.

02:03:16.000 So I can definitely see that.

02:03:17.000 Yeah, there's something to them.

02:03:19.000 Yeah, there is.

02:03:20.000 Me and Al enjoy mushrooms while we make music.

02:03:24.000 Do you really?

02:03:24.000 Yeah, mushrooms, weed, and whiskey.

02:03:26.000 He doesn't drink whiskey.

02:03:27.000 He drinks tequila.

02:03:28.000 Or what do they call the other tequila?

02:03:30.000 The mezcal, is it?

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:32.000 Yeah, he drinks mezcal.

02:03:33.000 I drink whiskey and shrooms and weed.

02:03:36.000 We had drunk ants in here from yesterday, apparently.

02:03:40.000 Richard Rawlings brought this cinnamon tequila and some of it had spilled on the table and the ants had found it.

02:03:45.000 Yeah, I see them pop up.

02:03:46.000 Everywhere.

02:03:46.000 I've been brushing them along, yeah.

02:03:48.000 They were everywhere.

02:03:49.000 They were drunk.

02:03:50.000 They were just drinking tequila, and there was just a giant line of them. 0.99

02:03:52.000 Like, they found the fucking bar in the middle of space. 0.99

02:03:55.000 And got at it. 0.99

02:03:55.000 Yeah, they found it, and when we got here, it was covered with ants. 0.99

02:03:58.000 Drunk ants.

02:03:59.000 My wife made me hang out at a bar all night last night with her and her friend. 0.74

02:04:02.000 They got... 0.99

02:04:03.000 Shit face drunk, threw up in the Uber, and were running through the hallway in their underwear back at the hotel. 0.99

02:04:09.000 That sounds like a good night. 0.99

02:04:10.000 Yeah, definitely. 1.00

02:04:11.000 Throwing up in the Uber, how many times has that happened to those poor bastards? 1.00

02:04:15.000 Yeah, for real. 1.00

02:04:16.000 I tipped a goddamn near $100, man. 0.96

02:04:18.000 I was like, man, I'm sorry, bro. 0.98

02:04:19.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:20.000 I apologize.

02:04:21.000 How much puke?

02:04:22.000 A large amount?

02:04:23.000 Nah, but enough to be aggravated.

02:04:26.000 The smell.

02:04:27.000 Because she had a bag.

02:04:28.000 So, you know, you think that the bag catches, but it wasn't plastic.

02:04:32.000 You know, and it gave a little leak. 0.54

02:04:35.000 It's hard to get that smell out.

02:04:36.000 That puke smell?

02:04:37.000 Yeah.

02:04:38.000 It costs about $150 to get it out.

02:04:40.000 To get a puke smell out? 0.56

02:04:41.000 Really? 1.00

02:04:41.000 That shit is in your body. 1.00

02:04:43.000 Like, imagine. 1.00

02:04:44.000 If you turn yourself inside out, how bad you smell. 0.99

02:04:47.000 Pukes smell. 1.00

02:04:48.000 Your first fart of the morning. 0.98

02:04:49.000 But puke smell, there's something neatly disgusting. 0.92

02:04:51.000 That's why I don't like yoga.

02:04:53.000 Hot yoga, rather.

02:04:54.000 Regular yoga, I can endure.

02:04:55.000 Why don't you like it?

02:04:56.000 Hot yogurt.

02:04:57.000 No, fart.

02:04:58.000 The inside of your body. 0.53

02:04:59.000 Like, yo, man, moms are farting. 1.00

02:05:02.000 You know, straight up.

02:05:04.000 You ever did hot yoga? 1.00

02:05:05.000 You ever had a hot chick convince you to do that shit? 1.00

02:05:08.000 Like, my wife's hot, so she can talk me into the most dumb shit, right? 1.00

02:05:12.000 So, yeah, we're going to fucking hot yoga. 1.00

02:05:14.000 Yeah, hot moms, tits, asses, yoga shit. 1.00

02:05:17.000 You got a block for me to say, and then it's like, woo! 1.00

02:05:22.000 Bitch, did you fart? 1.00

02:05:23.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

02:05:25.000 You know, like, I know my wife fart. 1.00

02:05:26.000 That's not my wife fart. 1.00

02:05:28.000 And then you say, fuck it, you start farting. 1.00

02:05:31.000 Oh, no. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Yeah, like, fuck. 1.00

02:05:33.000 And then you know that shit is wild. 1.00

02:05:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:35.000 Yeah, so I don't fuck with hot yoga. 1.00

02:05:37.000 I'd rather just do regular yoga and then just sauna that shit out like you. 1.00

02:05:42.000 Yeah, I like hot yoga. 1.00

02:05:44.000 I like it.

02:05:45.000 You don't fart?

02:05:46.000 No.

02:05:46.000 Tell the truth.

02:05:46.000 I don't.

02:05:47.000 I do it fasted.

02:05:49.000 Okay, but...

02:05:49.000 I do it first thing in the morning.

02:05:51.000 Respect.

02:05:51.000 No one farts though?

02:05:52.000 Oh, people fart, for sure.

02:05:54.000 Okay, that's all I'm saying.

02:05:55.000 But less people fart if you go to the early classes.

02:05:56.000 Okay, alright.

02:05:57.000 Go to a 6 a.m.

02:05:58.000 class.

02:05:58.000 You're in there with the pros.

02:05:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:01.000 There's a couple different places that I go to, but I like going to the early classes.

02:06:05.000 Do you sauna the same day you high yoga?

02:06:07.000 Sometimes.

02:06:08.000 Most of the time, no.

02:06:09.000 Most of the time, no.

02:06:10.000 But I have before.

02:06:12.000 I have if I have an injury, if I have something that's fucking with me.

02:06:14.000 But if I do that, I almost consider it like a sauna. 0.98

02:06:18.000 Because you get so goddamn hot. 0.51

02:06:20.000 The room might only be 104 degrees, but when you're working out hard doing yoga, your body is pouring sweat. 0.96

02:06:26.000 You must be heated up as warm as you get in a sauna.

02:06:30.000 It feels the same way to me.

02:06:32.000 It feels almost like I'm trying to work out in a sauna.

02:06:34.000 Gotcha.

02:06:35.000 There's doing some study now at Harvard about it, about heat shock proteins and hot yoga and how much inflammation it reduces and how beneficial it is to you.

02:06:47.000 I forget what scientists were involved in it, but a bunch of people were talking about it the other day. 0.99

02:06:50.000 I know it definitely gets gas out your ass. 0.99

02:06:52.000 It definitely does. 1.00

02:06:54.000 Well, if you have something that you shouldn't be eating, like you eat a hot dog with sauerkraut and a Coke, and then two hours later try to go to yoga class, you're a criminal. 1.00

02:07:02.000 You're a terrible person. 1.00

02:07:05.000 So it sounds like a fucking motorboat. 1.00

02:07:08.000 And there's nowhere for that fart to go either. 0.99

02:07:10.000 It's stuck in the hot, warm air.

02:07:12.000 That's the thing.

02:07:12.000 It stays there.

02:07:14.000 But if you get the real earthy chicks, they burn sage. 1.00

02:07:18.000 And then that starts to suffocate you and you gotta leave.

02:07:20.000 The real earthy chicks. 1.00

02:07:22.000 Yeah.

02:07:22.000 Do you know sage?

02:07:23.000 Someone told me this.

02:07:25.000 Check and see if this is right.

02:07:26.000 We might have talked about this before.

02:07:28.000 Salvia is sage. 1.00

02:07:32.000 Salvia Divinorum, someone said, is like the same shit as sage. 1.00

02:07:35.000 Really? 1.00

02:07:36.000 Yeah.

02:07:36.000 My wife burns sage a lot.

02:07:38.000 She burns sage. 1.00

02:07:38.000 She's a sage burner. 1.00

02:07:40.000 First, I couldn't really...

02:07:41.000 Didn't really like the way it smelled, and now it's...

02:07:44.000 Almost addictive.

02:07:45.000 It's a beautiful smell.

02:07:46.000 It's a weird smell.

02:07:47.000 It is weird.

02:07:48.000 Someone said it's related to salvia divinorm.

02:07:52.000 They're so closely related, they think that that might have been why they call it sage.

02:07:57.000 So do you get a little stoned off stage?

02:07:58.000 Do you get a little buzz or something?

02:08:00.000 I don't know.

02:08:01.000 I've never caught a sage buzz.

02:08:03.000 Let me see.

02:08:04.000 Yeah, I mean, but it does calm you.

02:08:06.000 Like if I walk in a room and I smell it now, I instantly feel just like...

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 The common sage's official name is Salvia officinalis or something.

02:08:18.000 So it's a cousin?

02:08:19.000 Salvia divinorum?

02:08:20.000 Sort of like genus, I believe is how that works.

02:08:22.000 I never know if I could say genus or genus.

02:08:24.000 I always panic on that one.

02:08:26.000 I believe it's chinus.

02:08:28.000 I wonder if that's where the name sage came from, because a sage is a wise person.

02:08:34.000 It came from the use of some trippy plants.

02:08:37.000 Could be.

02:08:38.000 It might be, or it might just have some other strange...

02:08:43.000 Find out what's the origin of the word sage.

02:08:48.000 Oh, and it's in the mint family, so that makes sense.

02:08:50.000 Why is it called sage?

02:08:51.000 Sage was once considered a medicinal cure-all.

02:08:54.000 Sage is an herb that has a sweet yet savory flavor.

02:08:58.000 Sage, botanically known as salvia officinalis, is native to the Mediterranean region.

02:09:04.000 Sage's botanical name comes from the Latin word salver, which means to be saved.

02:09:10.000 Huh.

02:09:11.000 Interesting.

02:09:13.000 So, why do they call it Sage then? 0.93

02:09:15.000 So, someone calls it Salvia, and Salvia, whatever the fuck it is, and then we call it Sage?

02:09:22.000 Why do we change the name? 0.82

02:09:23.000 It still doesn't say why we changed the name.

02:09:28.000 The botanical name makes sense.

02:09:30.000 It comes from the word salver, meaning to be saved.

02:09:32.000 That makes sense.

02:09:32.000 But why Sage?

02:09:34.000 You mean like we like in English?

02:09:35.000 Yeah, why do we say sage?

02:09:36.000 We probably adopted it from however they were using it back in the Mediterranean region.

02:09:40.000 Whatever word they use is probably very close. 1.00

02:09:41.000 But they always treat you like you're stupid. 1.00

02:09:43.000 Like you have to have a botanical name. 1.00

02:09:45.000 Like, bitch, just tell me the name. 1.00

02:09:47.000 What's the name? 0.99

02:09:47.000 Why does it have two names? 0.99

02:09:49.000 What is it?

02:09:50.000 What is it?

02:09:50.000 Is it Sage or is it Phoscomitis islatosis amonine?

02:09:55.000 Yeah, Sage is definitely easier to say. 0.97

02:09:57.000 Yeah, these crazy ass names you guys want to give them. 0.93

02:09:59.000 These scientists, they're all like, look, we'll tell you, let you make your own little name for it. 0.99

02:10:04.000 There you go.

02:10:05.000 What do you want, little people? 1.00

02:10:06.000 There you go.

02:10:07.000 Little people that don't understand science. 0.89

02:10:09.000 Let's just call it Sage.

02:10:10.000 That's right, Sage.

02:10:11.000 Sage.

02:10:11.000 You can't pronounce that, Salveonorum.

02:10:14.000 Can't do it.

02:10:17.000 Have you ever experienced that stuff, salvia?

02:10:20.000 No.

02:10:21.000 That was one of the ones that slipped through the 1970s psychedelic act.

02:10:27.000 They had a sweeping act that made a bunch of things illegal, including apparently some of the things they made illegal aren't even psychoactive.

02:10:32.000 They just tried to make everything illegal. 0.94

02:10:34.000 But they missed salvia.

02:10:35.000 So you used to be able to buy it. 1.00

02:10:36.000 You used to be able to go to a gas station and buy salvia and trip your fucking balls off. 0.99

02:10:40.000 What's a salvia trip like? 0.99

02:10:42.000 I only did it once, and it was really weird.

02:10:45.000 It was like, I don't think I did enough, because Ari Shafir had an entire life. 1.00

02:10:51.000 He lived for three months in one Salvia trip that took 10 minutes.

02:10:55.000 We talked to him about it. 1.00

02:10:56.000 It's the craziest fucking story. 1.00

02:10:57.000 He had relationships and breakups and jobs, and he lived a different life and then woke up on the couch in 10 minutes. 1.00

02:11:05.000 Underwater.

02:11:05.000 Yeah.

02:11:06.000 He lived underwater, right?

02:11:07.000 Yeah.

02:11:08.000 Dude. 0.96

02:11:10.000 Just tripping balls on this stuff that you could buy from the gas station. 0.99

02:11:14.000 That's insane. 0.97

02:11:15.000 It was crazy.

02:11:16.000 I try to stay in very dense Indicas. 1.00

02:11:19.000 So there are times where a very dense Indica and the mushrooms kind of take me on a trippy ride.

02:11:25.000 But I don't know how far I want to go.

02:11:28.000 There's Ari right there. 1.00

02:11:29.000 That's him tripping.

02:11:30.000 They got it all on video. 1.00

02:11:31.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:11:34.000 I mean, this is some stuff that you... 1.00

02:11:35.000 I don't know if it's legal anymore.

02:11:37.000 I think they've made it illegal.

02:11:38.000 But you used to be able to buy it virtually anywhere.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:11:41.000 Head shops, they all carried it.

02:11:43.000 And it's so much more potent than weed, but yet legal.

02:11:46.000 And it has a long history of people using it, too, I think, right?

02:11:48.000 Yeah, he's straight tripping, for real.

02:11:50.000 Tripping!

02:11:52.000 So when I did it, I didn't get any of that.

02:11:53.000 But I did get a third...

02:11:55.000 I wouldn't want you to be that tripping.

02:11:57.000 You're a strong guy.

02:11:58.000 You don't want to have to be the homie to save the homie from itself. 1.00

02:12:03.000 And the homie's too physically fierce. 1.00

02:12:05.000 That's not fun.

02:12:06.000 If Herschel Walker's tripping bad, you just gotta get out of the building.

02:12:09.000 Come on, man. 1.00

02:12:09.000 Herschel's in the other room kicking his own ass. 1.00

02:12:12.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:12:13.000 You call the police.

02:12:13.000 What's wrong?

02:12:14.000 Herschel Walker's kicking his own ass. 1.00

02:12:16.000 Save us! 1.00

02:12:17.000 Send Ronnie Coleman.

02:12:18.000 You would literally have to have cops the size of Ronnie Coleman. 1.00

02:12:21.000 And they would still be fucked. 1.00

02:12:22.000 They would still be fucked. 1.00

02:12:23.000 He'd be fucked. 1.00

02:12:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:25.000 I saw myself from, like, outside my body.

02:12:28.000 Like, it would pulsate in my body and outside my body.

02:12:31.000 In my body and outside my body.

02:12:32.000 From, like, over here.

02:12:33.000 Yeah.

02:12:34.000 Looking down on myself.

02:12:35.000 That happened to my mom when she had me. 0.99

02:12:37.000 She died on the table for a few seconds.

02:12:39.000 Jesus.

02:12:40.000 And she said she saw herself.

02:12:42.000 I wonder what that is, because that's the same thing that everybody says.

02:12:45.000 I mean, regardless of your religious beliefs, just stop for a second and try to figure out why so many people see themselves from above their body, see themselves outside their body.

02:12:56.000 Like, what is that?

02:12:57.000 Well, we know one thing.

02:12:58.000 I mean, all people, and even science, kind of agree at this point that their body is just a vehicle of sorts, a machine of sorts, that whatever energy or soul or spirit, whatever people are trying to identify, it's within it.

02:13:11.000 But it does disconnect it, I would imagine.

02:13:14.000 I'm hoping that they figure out how to put my soul in a computer before I die.

02:13:18.000 I'd like to live a couple hundred more years. 1.00

02:13:19.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:13:20.000 What if it sucks, though? 1.00

02:13:21.000 Yeah, what if? 0.61

02:13:22.000 I think you want to be alive, dude.

02:13:24.000 If you're in a computer, you can't die. 1.00

02:13:26.000 No, I'm saying if you're 89 and you're about to get the fuck out of here and you got the opportunity to upload into 29 again for the next 29 years, like, yo, fuck that. 0.99

02:13:36.000 I might try that before I decide to click on out of there, you know? 0.98

02:13:39.000 I think they're going to be able to reverse aging, and I think they're going to be able to do that before they're going to figure out a way to get you into a machine.

02:13:46.000 We'll see.

02:13:47.000 I think the real problem would be a guy like Trump putting himself in like a million machines.

02:13:51.000 Just not one.

02:13:52.000 Not one.

02:13:53.000 Like someone who has like a Ted Turner bankroll says, I'd like about a million Teds in this town.

02:13:58.000 And he just starts breeding Teds.

02:14:01.000 Ted robots.

02:14:03.000 But Trump ain't got Ted money.

02:14:04.000 No, he might not have it, but he's got money for a few robots.

02:14:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:14:07.000 You know, and those robots will go out and make more money.

02:14:10.000 Are robots going to destroy us?

02:14:12.000 That's a very good question, and that's something that Elon Musk is actually scared of.

02:14:16.000 Really?

02:14:17.000 Yeah.

02:14:17.000 That's something little Duvall says is going to happen.

02:14:19.000 He's a very intelligent guy, too, just besides making a good record.

02:14:22.000 He talks about us essentially replacing each other with robots.

02:14:27.000 It's entirely possible.

02:14:28.000 The way Elon Musk looks at it is that he was trying to warn people, but they weren't listening, and that...

02:14:34.000 There's no telling how powerful they could get once they become sentient.

02:14:38.000 Once they start taking control of their own destiny and creating new robots and just deciding whether or not we live or die and how they're going to run things, they're essentially going to become a life form, an artificial life form that's way fucking smarter than us.

02:14:50.000 And he's saying, do you think it's smart to arm these things?

02:14:53.000 Do you think it's smart to make this?

02:14:55.000 He's looking at it in terms of, he's the tip of the spear, right?

02:14:58.000 When it comes to technology and implementation of it.

02:15:01.000 I mean, think about who this guy is, right? 0.94

02:15:03.000 If he's the one who's telling you, everybody's got to slow the fuck down. 0.97

02:15:06.000 This is dangerous. 0.99

02:15:08.000 You might want to slow the fuck down. 0.95

02:15:09.000 You literally might be making a Terminator movie here. 0.91

02:15:11.000 You literally might be making a Terminator movie.

02:15:14.000 Yeah, we have to worry, because when you're saying that you think we evolved from monkeys, we evolved from some lower thing, well, the idea is that we've got to keep going.

02:15:22.000 Well, if we might hit a biological bottleneck, and that might be the whole convergence of humans and technology, that might be what it's all about.

02:15:30.000 Like, biologically, this system doesn't move fast enough.

02:15:32.000 But if we can transcend this and move into some sort of a digital life, that life, we can accelerate all of the innovation, all of the improvements in insane numbers, light years.

02:15:43.000 Travel through time. 0.97

02:15:44.000 Change the fucking nature of life itself. 0.98

02:15:48.000 That's going to probably be one of the stages of our future, whether it's 1,000 years from now or 100,000 years from now. 0.98

02:15:54.000 It seems to me like with this adoption of science into our daily lives in terms of the technologies that we're all addicted to, phones and tablets and all these different things.

02:16:03.000 He says that we're cyborgs already.

02:16:06.000 This is just a rudimentary way.

02:16:08.000 Yeah, he's right.

02:16:09.000 For sure, right?

02:16:10.000 You're already living.

02:16:11.000 People are already living through this.

02:16:12.000 Yeah.

02:16:13.000 Yeah.

02:16:13.000 Yeah, and he's also coming out with something called Neuralink.

02:16:16.000 I don't exactly know what it was.

02:16:17.000 He was very vague about it, but he was saying it was going to change the bandwidth, to change your ability to access information, and people were going to wear it.

02:16:26.000 You're going to wear this thing on your head. 0.99

02:16:28.000 It's going to literally charge up your fucking brain in some strange way. 0.99

02:16:30.000 So it's going to be like strange days. 0.99

02:16:31.000 He couldn't explain too much about it, but he was saying it was going to come out in a few months. 0.99

02:16:36.000 I'm like, what in the fuck, man? 0.99

02:16:39.000 We're, you know, 30 or 40 years away from being unrecognizable. 1.00

02:16:44.000 That's what I think.

02:16:45.000 I think we're 30 or 40 years away from being, living in, half the time living in a virtual world, half the time living in an augmented world.

02:16:54.000 I think people are going to exist in these weird worlds where it feels real and isn't.

02:16:59.000 I think they're gonna come out with programs that are fun at first, but then become life-consuming, where you put on these fucking goggles and this suit, and you go into this world, and you live with these people, and they interact, we touch each other, but no one's there physically, but you feel like you are, and it's magical.

02:17:14.000 Like, you're living in Avatar, you're on Pandorum, you're hanging out with the blue people, you're with the Na'vi. 1.00

02:17:20.000 That shit could happen. 0.98

02:17:21.000 You could literally get to a point where you believe you're there. 1.00

02:17:23.000 Or we could be there now.

02:17:25.000 We could be there.

02:17:26.000 Yeah.

02:17:27.000 That's a sneaky argument, right?

02:17:29.000 Yeah.

02:17:29.000 But that's the truth of it all.

02:17:31.000 It is the truth, right?

02:17:32.000 We could be there.

02:17:33.000 We could be a part of a simulation.

02:17:34.000 Yeah.

02:17:35.000 That's another thing that Elon Musk said.

02:17:37.000 I'm like, goddammit, you're supposed to say no.

02:17:39.000 You're supposed to say, no, it's impossible. 0.56

02:17:42.000 It could all be fake.

02:17:44.000 Deja vu could be just a glitch.

02:17:46.000 Yeah, sure.

02:17:47.000 So I just try to live like my grandpa said. 1.00

02:17:49.000 Just enjoy the regular shit as much as you can. 0.98

02:17:53.000 Maybe I won't upload. 0.99

02:17:54.000 Maybe I just don't want to go earlier than the fun stops.

02:17:57.000 But I think that there's a beauty in it.

02:18:02.000 Now that I'm getting older, I guess I see a beauty in the life-death cycle.

02:18:08.000 I don't want to die now.

02:18:10.000 I don't want to die tomorrow. 1.00

02:18:11.000 That's what I'm telling myself, a fucking treadmill, goddammit. 0.99

02:18:14.000 But my grandparents were always adamant about not going to an old folks home. 0.99

02:18:19.000 And I used to think it was about they didn't want to be treated bad or they thought we'd forget about them or something.

02:18:22.000 They never wanted to stop living.

02:18:24.000 So my grandmother died in my arms walking up a hill to her great-granddaughter, my daughter's pre-K graduation.

02:18:32.000 And my grandfather died fishing, which was his greatest love next to my grandmother.

02:18:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:38.000 And I realized that their life never stopped.

02:18:43.000 They literally died living.

02:18:44.000 So I guess that's maybe ultimately what the real thing you should think about is.

02:18:50.000 Whether we're in the machine and outside of it, you know, live the best possible life.

02:18:53.000 You shouldn't be trying to escape your life with goggles or even a phone. 1.00

02:18:57.000 You know, this shit is to be lived. 1.00

02:18:58.000 I agree. 1.00

02:18:59.000 Unless this is the goggles.

02:19:01.000 Yeah, it could be.

02:19:02.000 Putting goggles on inside the goggles, like mirrors, looking at mirrors.

02:19:06.000 Could be.

02:19:06.000 And then we figure out who we really are.

02:19:07.000 Could be.

02:19:08.000 Could be. 0.99

02:19:08.000 That would be the ultimate mindfuck, if you put on the goggles one day and you realized, you gotta get out of here, man? 0.99

02:19:14.000 No, I do not. 0.99

02:19:14.000 I'm just, you made me think of something. 0.99

02:19:16.000 I'm just stoned. 0.99

02:19:17.000 And I forgot the fucking name of the exhibit. 0.99

02:19:22.000 There's an exhibit at the High Museum. 0.98

02:19:23.000 I'm on the board of the High Museum, right?

02:19:25.000 And there's an exhibit there by Japanese artists, and it involves that.

02:19:30.000 It is the Infinity Mirrors ticket.

02:19:32.000 So it's Yayue Kusama.

02:19:35.000 You got it?

02:19:37.000 Yayue Kusama.

02:19:39.000 Yeah, I'm not good at that one.

02:19:42.000 But I'm taking my daughter.

02:19:44.000 I'm taking Mikey when I get back.

02:19:45.000 Mikey's an 11-year-old.

02:19:47.000 Exactly.

02:19:48.000 And I'm going to probably hit a joint a couple times, and we'll Uber down, and I'm going to walk through this museum.

02:19:55.000 Now, she usually doesn't like going with me because people kind of sometimes will recognize me, and it bothers her if she's really trying to hang out with Dad, you know what I mean?

02:20:03.000 But I'm going to get a chance to walk through that, whether it's just me or her kick at Solo Dolo.

02:20:12.000 That's dope. 0.93

02:20:13.000 That looks amazing. 1.00

02:20:16.000 Fuck, that's incredible. 1.00

02:20:18.000 Yeah, I'm on the board, man. 1.00

02:20:19.000 I got asked, I'm a rapper.

02:20:21.000 Where is this museum?

02:20:22.000 This is the High Museum in Atlanta.

02:20:23.000 We have one of the most premium, beautiful, modern-esque museums in the country.

02:20:29.000 It's greatly supported.

02:20:30.000 I'm on the board.

02:20:32.000 Look at you. 1.00

02:20:33.000 How do you have the time to do all this shit? 1.00

02:20:35.000 You're making me feel lazy. 1.00

02:20:37.000 How do you have the time to do all this? 1.00

02:20:38.000 Man, I stopped doing as much dumb shit. 1.00

02:20:41.000 Just decided to be a responsible husband and dad. 1.00

02:20:43.000 And go to strip club a couple times a week instead of every day with Sleepy.

02:20:47.000 Shouts out to Sleepy.

02:20:47.000 I miss you, bro.

02:20:49.000 But they asked, man, Fahamu, Dr. Fahamu Pico, and I know I'm saying his last name wrong, is an artist who my wife owns his piece.

02:20:58.000 He did the rap music cover.

02:21:00.000 My wife has a piece on loan to the Carlos Museum at Emory University.

02:21:06.000 He's going to be a Basquiat-like artist in terms of How he's talked about and more.

02:21:13.000 He's an amazing human being and artist.

02:21:14.000 We're lucky enough to own some of his works.

02:21:17.000 He's on the board and he suggested that me and a guy named Kenyon who worked over at Interscope be brought to and they met us and they accepted us.

02:21:25.000 And I'm like...

02:21:26.000 You got to understand, I grew up about four or five miles from this place.

02:21:29.000 And for most kids, this place was an impossibility to go to because their imagination wouldn't let them do it, right?

02:21:36.000 So you're in these cities, a lot of times you have very poor or working class areas that are right next to things that are inspiring, but kids are not brave enough to break the filter and go because they're never encouraged to.

02:21:48.000 And the High Museum and things like that have always made it very accessible.

02:21:51.000 So when Ted Turner owned the Braves and the Hawks, if you got B's and A's, you got tickets to the game, right?

02:21:56.000 So you could see baseball.

02:21:58.000 Part of the reason baseball died in inner cities is because the stadiums moved out and you couldn't see it, right?

02:22:03.000 The High Museum and the Woodward Foundation, which is a Coke charity, gave me and two other kids a scholarship to go train on Saturdays to draw and paint, stuff like that.

02:22:13.000 So this museum has been in my life since I was a kid.

02:22:15.000 So being asked to get on the board...

02:22:17.000 It's just a huge honor, and especially having an 11-year-old now that probably is going to want to be an artist, man.

02:22:22.000 It makes me the coolest dad in our life.

02:22:24.000 Yeah, plus, what a thing on the resume.

02:22:28.000 You just look so sophisticated.

02:22:29.000 I know, right?

02:22:31.000 I get to go buy a jacket and slippers.

02:22:33.000 Dude, you get to have one of them jackets with the leather patches on the elbows.

02:22:37.000 You can be one of those scholarly gentlemen.

02:22:40.000 Perhaps even have a pipe and some tobacco.

02:22:43.000 Yeah, I got class, man.

02:22:45.000 Yeah, man.

02:22:46.000 For sure.

02:22:46.000 That's cool.

02:22:47.000 That's cool that you're involved in all those different things.

02:22:49.000 Yeah.

02:22:49.000 It's very inspiring.

02:22:51.000 You're doing a lot of shit. 1.00

02:22:52.000 You honestly have a mind for it. 1.00

02:22:53.000 Yeah.

02:22:54.000 It's like, have you always been entrepreneurial like that?

02:22:57.000 Have you always been...

02:22:58.000 I just didn't want to be poor.

02:23:01.000 The world treats poor people bad.

02:23:04.000 And I didn't grow up poor.

02:23:05.000 I grew up working class.

02:23:06.000 So you're taught to work.

02:23:08.000 That's what you do.

02:23:10.000 And I didn't like working.

02:23:11.000 I knew I was lazy by nature, so you got to figure out.

02:23:15.000 But it's cool that you apply that as well as you're still artistic.

02:23:19.000 Yeah.

02:23:19.000 You're still very creative.

02:23:21.000 Your raps are great. 1.00

02:23:21.000 Your fucking flow is great. 1.00

02:23:23.000 Thank you. 1.00

02:23:23.000 Your raps are great. 1.00

02:23:24.000 Yeah.

02:23:25.000 If I was a fighter, I'd probably be a multi-style fighter.

02:23:29.000 I have the ability to get on tracks and rap next to T.I. and Big Boy.

02:23:34.000 You know, next to Bun B and, you know, Project Pad and next to LP and be something totally different every track.

02:23:41.000 I've been blessed with some talent, you know what I mean?

02:23:43.000 And I'm glad that I got with L because L is like the Freddie Roach of producing and rapping, right?

02:23:49.000 He's a great fight coach for me.

02:23:50.000 When I first heard his beats...

02:23:52.000 I was just like, no one in the world raps better over his beats than me.

02:23:54.000 I'm supposed to be rapping over his beats.

02:23:57.000 So he was only supposed to do three beats on my first album on rap music. 0.98

02:24:00.000 But I went into a fucking campaign to make him do the album. 0.95

02:24:04.000 So I started calling him. 0.98

02:24:06.000 Like, this is how we became friends.

02:24:07.000 Like, yo, so, you know, man, the record's dope.

02:24:09.000 We got to finish them up.

02:24:10.000 Yeah, man, I'm working on my album.

02:24:12.000 Yeah, man, your album's dope.

02:24:14.000 Remember, I gotta give you a song for that.

02:24:15.000 Yeah, you gotta make sure.

02:24:16.000 But so what's up, though, man?

02:24:17.000 You need to do the whole album, bro.

02:24:19.000 Man, I don't have time.

02:24:20.000 I can't do it.

02:24:20.000 All right, call back in a couple days.

02:24:22.000 So you thought about it?

02:24:22.000 Thought about what?

02:24:23.000 What we talked about?

02:24:24.000 What we talked about?

02:24:25.000 About you doing my whole album.

02:24:26.000 You know, I told you no.

02:24:27.000 Nah, you didn't mean that, bro.

02:24:28.000 We'll get up there.

02:24:29.000 So we went back and forth until he finally just succumbed.

02:24:34.000 I think, you know, the company probably called and said, here's some more money. 1.00

02:24:37.000 He was just like, yo, fuck it. 0.99

02:24:39.000 And we became friends. 1.00

02:24:40.000 And man, I truly believe that, like, you know, he is, he's my custom model in terms of being able to put me in focus and training.

02:24:48.000 Like Freddie Roach, you see Freddie Roach bring things out of fighters that you know are in them, but no one knows how to bring out.

02:24:53.000 Yeah.

02:24:53.000 Elle does that.

02:24:55.000 So the discipline, you know, I've gotten with him.

02:24:58.000 That's the great thing about partnering.

02:25:00.000 You know, your weaknesses are kind of, you can identify and fix them, you know, because you have someone training there with you right there.

02:25:06.000 Right, you feel inspired by your partner.

02:25:08.000 Absolutely.

02:25:09.000 And I love them for it.

02:25:10.000 Yeah, when two people really enjoy each other's company and benefit from each other's presence and get inspired by each other, the two become bigger than just one plus one.

02:25:19.000 Absolutely.

02:25:20.000 That's why, you know, I make sure when I'm introduced, you know, and other stuff, you know, Joe Rogan's people know a Michael Render, Killer Mike, but on a place I always say, you know, first and foremost, a Michael Render, because this is what my mom named me.

02:25:32.000 Killer Mike's a character that I enjoy playing, you know?

02:25:35.000 And I'm Shay's husband and I have to run the jewels.

02:25:37.000 These things are more than just who I am.

02:25:40.000 They make significant, you know, change in my life.

02:25:43.000 If I live up to the honor in those titles, then, you know, I'm a better person.

02:25:46.000 So L is my relationship.

02:25:48.000 It's a very important one.

02:25:49.000 Second maybe only to my wife.

02:25:51.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 Yeah, and your way of discussing this, too.

02:25:54.000 Since you're a fun guy and you're an inspirational guy in terms of your work ethic and all the things that you've achieved, when you say things like that and you talk about your word and you talk about who you are, that's very powerful to young people coming up.

02:26:06.000 Because they'll hear that.

02:26:07.000 They'll hear how smart you are and how well-read you are and how much you understand about the business and life in general.

02:26:14.000 And then they hear how your thought process works and it'll help them...

02:26:19.000 You know, mature their own thought process.

02:26:21.000 Gravitate towards positive things.

02:26:23.000 It's very beneficial.

02:26:24.000 Yeah.

02:26:25.000 Thank you, man.

02:26:26.000 I learn a lot.

02:26:27.000 Like, listening to you, checking out the guests you bring on, just pick it up from everywhere.

02:26:32.000 I just believe in picking up whatever you can.

02:26:33.000 Yeah, well, that's all I'm doing, man.

02:26:35.000 I'm just picking up with an antenna that spreads it out.

02:26:38.000 Yeah, and you do a hell of a job.

02:26:40.000 Thank you.

02:26:41.000 It's a weird gig.

02:26:42.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

02:26:43.000 But your main job is making people laugh, and your fucking side hustle is making people think. 0.99

02:26:50.000 That's an amazing side hustle, bro. 0.99

02:26:52.000 It's overwhelming, though, sometimes.

02:26:54.000 Sometimes I do so many of them, and I do some of them on subjects where I'm not even well-read.

02:26:59.000 I don't exactly know if this guest is being honest or if they're biased.

02:27:04.000 But you're learning, right?

02:27:05.000 Yes, I'm learning.

02:27:05.000 But that's how you filter.

02:27:06.000 That's how you... 1.00

02:27:07.000 That's how you fall into shit. 1.00

02:27:12.000 You don't wake up and know. 1.00

02:27:16.000 You can wake up curious and you can search.

02:27:18.000 And you have an honesty and integrity with your audience where you say, I was wrong about this or I've learned or picked up more of this.

02:27:25.000 I think that's what it's really about.

02:27:27.000 I don't think it's about being right or knowing all the time.

02:27:30.000 Your forum is very dope because it's conversational and not contrived.

02:27:36.000 It really is me having the ability to, as we're talking, you know, Google, research, have these notes.

02:27:42.000 I don't know if you know, well, of course you know Dick Gregory.

02:27:45.000 Sure.

02:27:46.000 An amazing comic, but an amazing thinker.

02:27:48.000 The reason why we know about the Zapruder film.

02:27:50.000 Exactly.

02:27:51.000 Yeah.

02:27:51.000 Dick Gregory brought it to Geraldo Rivera.

02:27:53.000 I knew this man his last three years of life.

02:27:56.000 First of all, first meeting him, he cursed me and T.I. out as though we'd stolen the tires off his car.

02:28:02.000 Right?

02:28:02.000 Right.

02:28:03.000 Why?

02:28:03.000 What do you say?

02:28:04.000 Well, me and T, I just kind of got on like two hokey rappers that kind of saw them.

02:28:10.000 We've embraced the fact that our community looks at us as leaders, right?

02:28:14.000 We're not trying to be Dr. K or Malcolm, but we're businessmen.

02:28:19.000 We're rappers.

02:28:20.000 We have accountability and responsibility in our community.

02:28:22.000 So we accept some of what comes with that, and we're willing to do things.

02:28:26.000 So We're good to go.

02:28:36.000 We're good to go.

02:28:47.000 Nigga, we marched 50 years ago. 1.00

02:28:49.000 You don't think them peggles gonna open the street up, let you march, tell you, close yourself, and then shoot your ass if you're gone? 1.00

02:28:56.000 And you're just like, oh, shit. 1.00

02:28:58.000 Like, I never, actually, I never thought of that. 1.00

02:29:02.000 And this is more serious than we're showing up and we're angry.

02:29:06.000 This is confronting government.

02:29:09.000 And once government has shown you do something a few times, you have to practice guerrilla warfare or you're just doing what the British did that lost them America.

02:29:18.000 You're stepping up in a formation, shooting your shot, falling back, stepping up. 0.95

02:29:23.000 You're just playing a fucking game where they're dancing versus doing things that really disrupt the system and things that really progress the move. 1.00

02:29:30.000 And I was like, oh, shit. 1.00

02:29:32.000 Shit! 1.00

02:29:33.000 You know, this is radically, this guy is more than just a funny man. 1.00

02:29:38.000 He's really sacrificing and laying that shit down. 0.99

02:29:40.000 So, yeah, we got cursed out by Dick Gray. 1.00

02:29:42.000 Tip hung up.

02:29:43.000 Wow.

02:29:43.000 And then called me back later like, man, you know, like, hey, my phone messed up, dawg.

02:29:47.000 You know, Tip talk cool.

02:29:48.000 It's my phone hung up, dawg.

02:29:49.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:29:50.000 I said, nigga, you hung up. 1.00

02:29:51.000 He said, but what'd he say, dawg?

02:29:56.000 But around that, Tip and I have been able to be of better benefit to our community.

02:30:02.000 And then when I say our community, I don't mean some imaginary, mythical rapper place.

02:30:06.000 I mean the 5, 10-mile radius we grew up in.

02:30:09.000 We've made some change.

02:30:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:12.000 For the better.

02:30:13.000 We're going to bring some jobs and shit like that. 0.97

02:30:15.000 And I think that that's cool. 0.89

02:30:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:16.000 That's very cool.

02:30:17.000 It sounds cool, too.

02:30:18.000 It sounds like you think in a very positive and a progressive way of helping community in a real sense.

02:30:26.000 That's nice to hear, man.

02:30:27.000 Yeah, I hope I help some people before I get out of here.

02:30:30.000 I hope some young people say, you know. 0.99

02:30:32.000 And your music is fun as fuck. 1.00

02:30:34.000 Yeah, straight up kick you in the dick, punch you in your face music. 1.00

02:30:36.000 It's fun, man. 1.00

02:30:37.000 It's really good shit. 0.99

02:30:38.000 Like you, I got a great job. 0.99

02:30:40.000 You know what I mean? 0.94

02:30:40.000 The secondary job of doing the TV show and shit is cool, but I got a great job. 0.94

02:30:44.000 You're a great stand-up, man. 0.93

02:30:46.000 Thank you.

02:30:46.000 I mean, in the line of like Carlin and Hicks, like you really push buttons and...

02:30:51.000 You know, you make motherfuckers twitch like, oh shit, and think and go home. 1.00

02:30:55.000 And that's rare. 1.00

02:30:57.000 It's easy to do, you know, kind of shucky shit, but you, I like your shit. 1.00

02:31:00.000 Thanks, man. 1.00

02:31:01.000 I appreciate you liking my music.

02:31:02.000 Thanks, man.

02:31:03.000 Yeah, I love your music.

02:31:03.000 Yeah.

02:31:04.000 No, I appreciate it.

02:31:05.000 I think we both are in tricky businesses.

02:31:07.000 Yeah.

02:31:08.000 I get a lot out of music, man.

02:31:10.000 I get a lot of fun and energy out of listening to music.

02:31:13.000 I don't have any musical talent at all, but when I hear good music, I get excited, man.

02:31:17.000 It fires me up.

02:31:18.000 I think it's one of the most important things in our culture in terms of our ability to generate energy and motivation.

02:31:23.000 It's a vibration.

02:31:24.000 It really is.

02:31:26.000 With me, man, I think you guys are...

02:31:30.000 I think right now stand-up comedy is the last vestige of freedom of speech in this country.

02:31:34.000 And you guys are to be protected at all costs.

02:31:37.000 And I think if people don't protect you at all costs, it's going to be for the worst of us all.

02:31:43.000 I definitely think there's something to that that it's there's very few people that are as free with what they're allowed to say Like stand-up comedians because we're saying this crazy shit under the guise of it being funny Yeah So you can get away with saying a lot of things that won't be criticized as long as people laugh at them And you have a good point if you're just making the points without the joke people wouldn't they would they don't want to hear it they get mad at you But something about delivering a point with a joke That's why trigger warning works.

02:32:09.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:32:10.000 It's one of the last ways you can deliver a message that maybe people don't agree with, but if you can make them laugh at some shit they don't even really agree with, and they're laughing hard, they'll see a little bit of your point. 0.55

02:32:21.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:32:22.000 When you set out to do trigger warning, what was the initial premise, and how much of it did it change once you got to production, once you started filming?

02:32:32.000 You're one of the only people who've asked that question.

02:32:34.000 I'm in the business, bro.

02:32:36.000 Yeah.

02:32:37.000 Straight up, bro.

02:32:39.000 Oh, you know.

02:32:40.000 Yeah, bro.

02:32:42.000 Originally, we shot it with FX, and we overdid it.

02:32:45.000 It looked really good, but it looked really TV. And it could have been dope, but it would have been a parody of a very real thing I was tempted to do.

02:32:54.000 And right now, I'm talking about Crippercola.

02:32:56.000 What it turned into at Netflix was a real...

02:33:06.000 In your face, simple and plainly shot documentation of the possibilities of barbershop arguments, right?

02:33:17.000 So in a barbershop argument, you get to say, you know, the only thing that separates Al Capone from Joe Kennedy is Al Capone got caught and eventually died in prison, and Joe Kennedy went on to produce presidents, but they both have been bootlegger. 0.96

02:33:30.000 You know, people say shit like this, barbershop talk, and then you have to go home and be asking yourself, like, well... 0.98

02:33:35.000 Well, damn, if Papa Joe was a bootlegger, like, technically it could have went fucked up for him and we never would have had an American dynasty versus Al catching siblings and shit and not going so well. 0.99

02:33:46.000 But him being the preeminent marketing campaign in face of any Capone-like thing you want to sell cigars to a restaurant, right? 0.99

02:33:53.000 So I got a chance to say, you know, shit, what if I could do this for my guys? 0.97

02:33:57.000 And again, giving it a shot and giving it a try. 1.00

02:33:59.000 I thought of that shit... 1.00

02:34:01.000 At 15 years old, I started trying to figure out how to do it 10 years ago. 1.00

02:34:06.000 Daniel and I got it done eight, nine years later.

02:34:09.000 And now you have this.

02:34:11.000 And I say that just to say that Brian Koppelman, the creator of Billions, is a brilliant writer to me.

02:34:19.000 And he's a friend also.

02:34:20.000 But Brian has been putting up lately these just encouraging things, telling writers to write, even if your stuff is getting bought, even if you don't think it's good, to write, to push yourself, to push the idea forward.

02:34:32.000 And I've been taking a lot of inspiration for that because Daniel Weinfeld and I, one of the co-writers and co-creators, Daniel and I have been talking and developing this over 10 years.

02:34:42.000 Now I know how to do it, how to go in a room, how to get it.

02:34:45.000 It won't take me 10 years for the next one, but it was worth the struggle.

02:34:49.000 It was worth doing that.

02:34:52.000 It was worth... 0.76

02:34:53.000 Tweaking my idea was worth critiquing my idea to be like the first time around like nah it's not it's not what it should be because I was nervous to shit the night before it came out about everything in it you know the the what scenes were shot how did it look the production value and now seeing people get it and unlike a lot of other artists not have to call yourself a genius let me tell people every artist thinks there's a genius Every comedian thinks they're fucking Richard Pryor.

02:35:17.000 In some part of your mind, you have to think you're great, or why do it?

02:35:21.000 You have to believe there's greatness in you, right?

02:35:24.000 But I never wanted to be the guy. 0.99

02:35:25.000 I'm a fucking genius, you know what I mean? 0.96

02:35:27.000 I just never wanted, but to see it, because I always thought the idea was genius. 1.00

02:35:31.000 Like, fuck that shit. 1.00

02:35:33.000 You remember real people that used to come on in the 70s, 80s? 1.00

02:35:35.000 I remember watching that show as a kid, looking at motherfuckers like, wow, these motherfuckers exist in these far-off places like Iowa and Kansas. 0.99

02:35:45.000 And I wanted to approach it. 0.99

02:35:47.000 I wanted to approach people in a very...

02:35:50.000 I'm here right in front of you kind of way, not above you, not celebrity, Michael Moore-ish, but people know I'm a rapper, and it gave me that opportunity. 0.97

02:35:57.000 And people can say it's genius, and I'm going to say I'm humbled and honored, but you're fucking right.

02:36:02.000 And it's genius because I'm engaging people at a regular human level, not at the level of celebrity or power that used to be engaged, but one that allows them to fully open up. 0.96

02:36:12.000 I haven't seen it on TV since some shit like Real People.

02:36:15.000 I haven't seen revolutionary TV like The Jeffersons or You know, all in the family are marred. 0.99

02:36:22.000 And I think that the world is getting scary and pussy, to be honest. 1.00

02:36:25.000 You know, not to disrespect pussies because pussies are tough. 1.00

02:36:29.000 But I think that something needs to be dangerous. 0.99

02:36:32.000 The best compliment I got on this press run has been like Ambrosia.

02:36:36.000 Ambrosia for Head said, how does it feel to have the most dangerous show on TV? And it's dangerous because it unites people.

02:36:43.000 It doesn't separate people.

02:36:44.000 It gives you alternative answers in the ones you thought you had, and it forces you to think.

02:36:47.000 It doesn't solve all the problems or wrap it up pretty at the end. 0.96

02:36:50.000 It gives you some options to do and some shit to think about. 0.99

02:36:53.000 And it's funny as fuck. 0.99

02:36:54.000 It's subversive and dark, and I like it. 0.97

02:36:56.000 And I gotta imagine Netflix gave you plenty of room.

02:36:59.000 Yeah!

02:37:00.000 They weren't tripping, man!

02:37:01.000 They don't trip.

02:37:02.000 They don't trip.

02:37:03.000 They don't trip.

02:37:04.000 You know what you're doing?

02:37:05.000 Go ahead.

02:37:06.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.97

02:37:07.000 And then you walk up in the room like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I don't know. 0.99

02:37:11.000 But they're smart enough to let people create their own shit. 0.98

02:37:16.000 For stand-up comedy, there's no one better in terms of interacting with them about a special. 0.99

02:37:20.000 You don't have to give them any notes on the material.

02:37:23.000 They know that you're going to do your best.

02:37:25.000 They can't help you.

02:37:27.000 No one can help you as a comic.

02:37:29.000 There's not another person like an executive that's going to help you do your best.

02:37:32.000 You've got to be looking at it yourself ruthlessly, and you'll figure it out.

02:37:36.000 And so they trust you.

02:37:37.000 So I would assume they did the same thing with you.

02:37:39.000 Yeah.

02:37:40.000 Yeah.

02:37:40.000 Perfect.

02:37:41.000 Beautiful.

02:37:42.000 What a world.

02:37:43.000 Yeah.

02:37:43.000 Forever, it was the opposite.

02:37:45.000 There was 50 fucking cooks in the kitchen, and everybody's pulling you this way, and you need a gay neighbor. 1.00

02:37:48.000 Telling you what to do with your shit. 1.00

02:37:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:37:49.000 You need a fucking theme song. 1.00

02:37:52.000 You need a thing you say every week. 1.00

02:37:54.000 We should talk about Willis.

02:37:55.000 Exactly.

02:37:56.000 You needed a hook. 0.97

02:37:57.000 Everybody needed a hook. 1.00

02:37:58.000 Oh, shit, you said that. 1.00

02:38:00.000 Shots out the different strokes. 1.00

02:38:05.000 Oh my god.

02:38:06.000 Shouts out to different strokes.

02:38:09.000 What a weird change in that short amount of time from different strokes to today in the world.

02:38:15.000 That's the weirdest thing.

02:38:16.000 I'm older than you, but not so much older.

02:38:19.000 We grew up in similar times.

02:38:21.000 I'm 51. When we were children, For both of us, the world was a way different place than it is for children today.

02:38:29.000 These kids are being forced to turbo charge their evolution and their education.

02:38:34.000 Every kid over the age of 13 has a phone, basically.

02:38:38.000 Parents hang in there as long as they can. 1.00

02:38:40.000 And when the kid's 13, here's the whole world, you little fuck. 1.00

02:38:43.000 Yeah, this is true. 1.00

02:38:44.000 Good luck.

02:38:45.000 And the whole world at a push of a button.

02:38:47.000 My grandmother would get encyclopedias every four years.

02:38:53.000 And I couldn't wait to get the new set because you got to read and learn new information.

02:38:57.000 And now that information is right there.

02:38:59.000 But if they aren't genuinely curious and interested, it'll die right there.

02:39:02.000 Well, there's also a lot of things other than that information.

02:39:05.000 It's not just an information device. 0.99

02:39:07.000 These fucking apps, these kids are using back and forth with each other and games. 1.00

02:39:11.000 Are addictive. 1.00

02:39:12.000 So addictive.

02:39:13.000 We used to have this place called Outside, too, that was amazing.

02:39:17.000 Yeah, outdoors. 0.99

02:39:18.000 Yeah, I just, man, I'd go and I'd be gone for hours and I'd return dirty as fuck having went on an adventure. 0.98

02:39:25.000 That was amazing. 0.98

02:39:27.000 Now even outdoors is regulated.

02:39:30.000 Also, you worry about child molesters.

02:39:32.000 You do.

02:39:33.000 You worry about shit. 1.00

02:39:34.000 We've almost, like, heard too much about what's possible. 1.00

02:39:38.000 And then the fact that there are really still child molesters out there.

02:39:41.000 They do exist.

02:39:42.000 And we also send them to church with them.

02:39:44.000 So, you know, some of our worries are exasperated.

02:39:48.000 Yes.

02:39:48.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:39:50.000 For sure.

02:39:51.000 Yeah, that's one of the weirdest things ever.

02:39:53.000 More than likely, the child molestation is going to happen.

02:39:56.000 Yeah.

02:39:56.000 We should be getting outside again.

02:40:01.000 I started, man, my man told my wife, you know, get Michael a leaf blower, and he'll just start going back outside.

02:40:09.000 So I started looking for leaf blowers. 0.95

02:40:11.000 And I started taking, instead of having my nephew do it, because I'm running around on tour and shit, just when I'm home, taking my own trash up and down it. 0.98

02:40:18.000 Spending some time fucking around in my yard, watching around and stuff. 0.97

02:40:21.000 I realized, being a rapper and living on a tour bus, how much I had stopped going outside. 0.99

02:40:27.000 Meanwhile, my cousins are fucking hogging in East Georgia. 0.99

02:40:32.000 And I'm just like, if it went down tomorrow, I'd be fucked. 1.00

02:40:37.000 I'm rusty as a nail in the rain right now. 0.96

02:40:39.000 So I definitely think there's something to be said for introducing your kids to maybe a little more of what it was like 20, 30 years or 30, 40 years ago.

02:40:49.000 Well, just imagine that human beings lived before houses.

02:40:52.000 There was humans and then they figured out shelter.

02:40:55.000 Or some kind of primate.

02:40:58.000 And then that primate figured out shelter and eventually became a human is a better way to describe it.

02:41:04.000 Something like us lived and hadn't even figured out roofs yet.

02:41:08.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.86

02:41:08.000 I mean, I love to watch those videos on YouTube where it's usually—these people, they're dark in their age, so it has to be either India or Southeast Asia or somewhere, but you'll see two dudes, and they'll just make a fucking—a hut. 0.86

02:41:23.000 We're good to go. 0.87

02:41:47.000 You know, now gives you Trump Towers.

02:41:49.000 Well, that's where the dark side of it comes from.

02:41:51.000 The dark side for me is that with this innovation, that it happens almost unchecked in terms of our ability to think about what are the consequences.

02:42:01.000 Like, what are the consequences if we keep making things better and better computers and artificial life and artificial intelligence?

02:42:06.000 What are the consequences?

02:42:08.000 The consequences are there's no more this thing.

02:42:09.000 There's no more weird pink monkey thing.

02:42:11.000 Yeah.

02:42:12.000 That thing goes away because we don't need it anymore.

02:42:14.000 Now we've got a new life form.

02:42:15.000 The new life form is digital life.

02:42:17.000 Yeah.

02:42:17.000 I mean, that's the real concern is that just like we are an evolution of those lower primates, it's going to be an evolution of us.

02:42:24.000 Well, yeah, I think that's going to happen.

02:42:25.000 I don't think, you know, there may not be any avoiding it.

02:42:30.000 Again, we're the virus.

02:42:32.000 And this is just one of my thoughts.

02:42:34.000 This isn't me saying unequivocally that we're the virus.

02:42:37.000 The thing is, I like people.

02:42:38.000 This is the other side of it.

02:42:40.000 People are cool. 1.00

02:42:41.000 I often pray that aliens go ahead and attack this motherfucker so white people and black people will cut the bullshit and finally have to unite like one great movie of Red October. 1.00

02:42:49.000 Dude, I think we're going to get our asses kicked every single time. 1.00

02:42:52.000 I'm not saying we're not, but at least for one time in humanity, all the empires would have to unite. 0.99

02:42:56.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:42:57.000 Do you remember that Reagan speech?

02:42:58.000 No.

02:42:59.000 You never heard it?

02:43:00.000 Uh-uh.

02:43:00.000 Reagan actually said that.

02:43:02.000 I forget who he was addressing.

02:43:04.000 You may be the first person to ask, besides him putting in the King Day, you might give me the only other thing I like about Ronald Reagan.

02:43:12.000 It was a very strange thing he said.

02:43:14.000 And one of the things that was really strange about it was that it shot off this gigantic wave of conspiracy theorists who were thinking that they're going to tell us something about alien contact.

02:43:26.000 Check this out.

02:43:27.000 Listen to this.

02:43:29.000 Some outside universal threat.

02:43:32.000 I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.

02:43:43.000 Dude!

02:43:44.000 And yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us?

02:43:49.000 What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?

02:43:57.000 Tell you what, dude. 0.99

02:43:58.000 Ronald Reagan knocked it out of the fucking park right there. 0.99

02:44:01.000 No matter what you say. 1.00

02:44:03.000 Yo, straight up.

02:44:03.000 I have a song called Reagan, many of you know.

02:44:06.000 Wasn't the biggest fan of him or many U.S. presidents because I rapped about more than him in there.

02:44:10.000 But that definitely is going to make it on a Killer Mike song.

02:44:13.000 Really?

02:44:13.000 Oh, that's awesome.

02:44:15.000 Just kill them like an LP. We definitely, if anybody, think aliens are going to come kill us all one day. 1.00

02:44:20.000 So I'm going to maybe suggest to L. Hopefully he'll use it, but if not, fuck it. 1.00

02:44:24.000 I'm going to do it. 1.00

02:44:25.000 That shit is amazing. 1.00

02:44:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:27.000 Yeah.

02:44:27.000 But do you think that it is possible that aliens came down and manipulated the genetics of lower primates and created people?

02:44:34.000 I'm willing, based on all the theology, I'm willing to accept it as a possibility.

02:44:39.000 Because I don't think that we're alone, right?

02:44:42.000 I just don't, there's nothing, even if there's some divine thing that woke up and decided to make us and we're special children and we're on earth in a blue planet, there had to have been some other things made or played with, right?

02:44:53.000 I don't think that, I think it's very arrogant as a human being.

02:44:57.000 To think that it's just us, right?

02:44:59.000 And I think that the possibility that something made it here and something happened exists.

02:45:05.000 Absolutely.

02:45:06.000 Because if we're experimenting on animals and things, my daughters are me.

02:45:15.000 Their temperament is me.

02:45:17.000 Their curiosity is me.

02:45:20.000 I'm looking at Michael, and I'm looking at Anaya, and I'm like, arguing with Anaya is like arguing with myself.

02:45:26.000 She doesn't know why she acts like that.

02:45:28.000 I don't know.

02:45:29.000 Now, if I can look at my pit bull and say...

02:45:31.000 Well, her mother acted like this, and this is why I know she's coded. 0.67

02:45:34.000 This is why I know her father.

02:45:36.000 Then I have to look at my daughter and say, on a genetic basis, 23 of my chromosomes, I know our temperament is like that.

02:45:41.000 I know why Michael is not going to argue.

02:45:44.000 She's a smart kid.

02:45:45.000 She's an art student. 0.93

02:45:45.000 But the minute you put her in danger, she's going to punch you. 0.93

02:45:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:49.000 That's what it's going to be.

02:45:51.000 And it's not going to be anything else because she is going to protect her.

02:45:54.000 So it's like I have to think that my curiosity, if nothing else, my drive to do this.

02:45:59.000 So if you take the primate side, you say, well, you know that I have to live amongst this. 0.63

02:46:04.000 I've got to survive.

02:46:05.000 There's wolves, there's lions, tigers, bears out here.

02:46:07.000 I have to go high.

02:46:08.000 I have to create shelter.

02:46:09.000 There's something else with a very small input could have...

02:46:15.000 We're good to go.

02:46:32.000 Boom.

02:46:32.000 If I do this and this and I create this and then we set upon evolution, we end up here.

02:46:36.000 Or that just could be, you know, me stoned having watched too many sci-fi movies.

02:46:40.000 But it's possible.

02:46:41.000 It is possible.

02:46:43.000 There's zero evidence for it.

02:46:44.000 But it's certainly possible that if we could go to another planet we knew had life, that it's possible if we found some lower primates that we would manipulate them.

02:46:52.000 It's very possible.

02:46:53.000 We had a full survey of another planet.

02:46:56.000 We got there and like, okay, here's the good news.

02:46:57.000 Good news is a lot of life. 0.93

02:46:58.000 Bad news is the most intelligent thing is basically a chimp. 1.00

02:47:01.000 But we got some ideas and what we're going to do is we're going to plant some seeds of our genetics in some of these chimps.

02:47:07.000 They're going to be smarter than the other chimps and then we're going to leave mushrooms everywhere. 1.00

02:47:11.000 Leave the mushrooms everywhere.

02:47:14.000 Let the chimps eat the mushrooms.

02:47:15.000 Maybe we're in a fishbowl.

02:47:16.000 Maybe.

02:47:17.000 Yeah, because again, we very arrogantly think of ourselves as We could go extinct.

02:47:30.000 A mass virus could kill us all.

02:47:32.000 That's what we're constantly fighting.

02:47:35.000 The earth wouldn't stop.

02:47:36.000 But the thing about viruses, like viruses wholly negative in our eyes.

02:47:41.000 I don't think we're wholly negative to each other.

02:47:43.000 I don't think a virus thinks it's wholly negative.

02:47:44.000 So viruses, when they're eating you up, you're having a good party, when you get the flu, they're like, dude, it's a party up in this finish.

02:47:49.000 If this thing is really a living thing, if the earth is really a living thing, we are possibly the worst things for it.

02:47:55.000 Oh, for sure.

02:47:56.000 Why shouldn't it get rid of us?

02:47:57.000 Other than meteors.

02:47:58.000 Yeah.

02:47:59.000 Yeah.

02:48:00.000 We're the worst thing for not just the biological life, but the particulates in the atmosphere.

02:48:04.000 And now we're creating technology that's going to eventually kill us and get rid of us that may be able to live in harmony with biology.

02:48:09.000 Maybe.

02:48:10.000 So yeah, maybe it's over for us in a few thousand years.

02:48:13.000 It could be.

02:48:14.000 But, you know, the thing that makes us fun is the thing that's totally unnecessary.

02:48:19.000 It's the thing that got us to the dance.

02:48:20.000 It's the thing that made us want to breed and there's the animal side. 0.94

02:48:24.000 I gotta piss so bad. 0.87

02:48:25.000 I'll give you that. 0.96

02:48:28.000 The animal side.

02:48:29.000 You have to embrace your primal.

02:48:31.000 It's there.

02:48:32.000 It's a part of you.

02:48:33.000 You've existed in this state for a long time.

02:48:36.000 Absolutely.

02:48:36.000 And the people that came before that were savager still.

02:48:40.000 I always think that to myself when I hear people say, why did he throw it all away?

02:48:45.000 You just think to yourself. 1.00

02:48:47.000 That bitch was hot. 1.00

02:48:51.000 You can't fight nature. 1.00

02:48:52.000 Nature's a crazy gene. 1.00

02:48:54.000 Crazy fucker. 1.00

02:48:55.000 And that's the reason why there's seven billion of us. 1.00

02:48:57.000 It's insane drive.

02:48:58.000 This computer code that's in the back of your head that's constantly running.

02:49:02.000 Yeah, the species must survive.

02:49:03.000 It must.

02:49:03.000 That's really all we put here to do is reproduce.

02:49:06.000 Well, we're doing that.

02:49:08.000 The way I've been describing it is that I feel like we're some sort of electronic caterpillar that's making a cocoon. 0.98

02:49:14.000 We don't even know what the fuck we're doing. 0.96

02:49:16.000 We're about to become a butterfly. 0.99

02:49:17.000 We're just making this cocoon.

02:49:19.000 And we're just completely engulfed in it.

02:49:21.000 We're not thinking about it, but everyone does it.

02:49:22.000 They all do it.

02:49:24.000 That's how I felt like.

02:49:26.000 When I see all this stuff getting better and better and more invasive in your life and the technology becoming more and more advanced and everybody obsessed with it, that's the thing I think.

02:49:35.000 This is eventually going to be everything.

02:49:37.000 It's going to be way better than this physical life.

02:49:40.000 They're going to offer you a life that exists just like The Matrix. 0.98

02:49:43.000 The Matrix sounded like such horseshit. 0.99

02:49:45.000 Fun, fun movie, great movie and shit, but like, that can never happen. 0.99

02:49:50.000 Now I think for sure it could happen. 0.99

02:49:52.000 100% it could happen.

02:49:55.000 I see that.

02:49:56.000 There's no question.

02:49:57.000 If they could make a world that's better than this, and all you have to do is plug the back of your head to it.

02:50:02.000 Let's see, I think that's... 1.00

02:50:03.000 And again, if I'm 89, I might say fuck and plug in for another 80, 89 years. 0.99

02:50:09.000 Yeah, and maybe if they keep your flesh alive, they'll figure out some way to reverse everything. 1.00

02:50:13.000 Maybe.

02:50:14.000 Yeah.

02:50:14.000 Maybe.

02:50:16.000 I mean, but then you got to decide who gets to live, who gets to die, and then you go into elitism classes.

02:50:21.000 Everything's messy.

02:50:22.000 And then you got to go to kill your master's mode.

02:50:26.000 And that's what I think happens, ultimately.

02:50:29.000 The other thing they say is that as people get more affluent, they have less children, and the population decreases as the world's economy evens out.

02:50:36.000 And so that we reach like a point where we can maintain a sustainable population.

02:50:41.000 How does that still happen without mass genocide or mass sterilization?

02:50:45.000 That's a good question.

02:50:46.000 I don't think they're saying that.

02:50:47.000 I think what they're saying is that as people become more educated and more affluent and more successful, as more urbanization takes place, people work more and have less children.

02:50:57.000 And when they have less children, the population actually slightly decreases. 0.99

02:51:00.000 People who make more money fuck more. 1.00

02:51:03.000 People who fuck more have more children. 1.00

02:51:08.000 That's one of those stats where I'm going to be like, they might just be talking about a particular class of people. 1.00

02:51:13.000 There's still 7 billion people.

02:51:15.000 Yeah, there's still 7 billion people.

02:51:17.000 Who live mostly for under 22,000 a year.

02:51:20.000 And usually every time development comes, it exploits them.

02:51:24.000 Yes.

02:51:24.000 So, like, where does the balance out of influence coming?

02:51:27.000 Like, I know there's one country now that's doing a universal pay for people.

02:51:31.000 So, are we going to talk about going...

02:51:33.000 Because when you go to...

02:51:34.000 Like, does that happen?

02:51:35.000 Is that it?

02:51:36.000 We're going to universal pay?

02:51:37.000 Well, universal pay would be fine if it was universal effort.

02:51:40.000 If everybody did put out the same amount of effort, I would agree with everyone getting the same amount of pay.

02:51:43.000 No, I'm not saying I'm for or against that.

02:51:45.000 I'm just saying, how do you maintain...

02:51:47.000 How does it happen that everybody all of a sudden is affluent without mass genocide or sterilization?

02:51:53.000 I think the idea is that as urban – listen, this is not my theory for sure, but I've read it.

02:51:57.000 The idea is as the world becomes more urbanized and more educated and more wealthy, as cities spread out, what happens is less of those people have kids, and they have less kids.

02:52:09.000 This is just...

02:52:11.000 Yeah, that doesn't work.

02:52:12.000 I don't know if it works or not, but I know that this is an actual study.

02:52:15.000 See if you can find that. 1.00

02:52:16.000 People are vain as fuck. 1.00

02:52:18.000 Some people are. 1.00

02:52:19.000 Most people are.

02:52:20.000 But the overall humans, once people have serious careers, like the man and the woman have a serious career, both of them are really invested in their career, they generally tend to have less kids.

02:52:29.000 And this is the idea, is that as this people...

02:52:32.000 I don't know if it's a solution.

02:52:33.000 I don't think it's a good solution.

02:52:34.000 It makes people become obsessed with work.

02:52:36.000 That's one of those things where the rest of the world is just not...

02:52:39.000 That sounds like I'm still talking about America. 1.00

02:52:41.000 Like, poor people are fucking, man. 1.00

02:52:43.000 So, again, it just goes back to me. 1.00

02:52:45.000 Like, I hear those studies, Joe, but you got to say to yourself, how do you handle the other 4 billion people?

02:52:51.000 I think the argument is, and this is not my argument.

02:52:54.000 Where do they go?

02:52:55.000 They keep expanding.

02:52:57.000 Is that these cities and these urban areas, that as the society sort of evens out globally, whether it takes a thousand years or a hundred years, as things start to even out, people will be more like Los Angeles and less like poor places like Calcutta.

02:53:14.000 Yeah, but that's like, but what I'm saying is like, I'm just saying...

02:53:30.000 You know, sometimes I just feel like maybe we're at the point.

02:53:32.000 It ain't no turning around.

02:53:33.000 We might be.

02:53:34.000 Yeah, just because we got seven billion people.

02:53:36.000 We might be, but we also might not be.

02:53:38.000 And I think it's not a bad time to be optimistic because as people look for better and better solutions.

02:53:43.000 Yeah.

02:53:44.000 But, like, Jacque Fresco in The Venus Project talked about moneyless societies, the radical change of what are political states and things of that nature.

02:53:55.000 Chomsky talks about... 0.94

02:53:57.000 You know, essentially all countries essentially now, no matter Western or Eastern, oligarchies and shit. 0.89

02:54:03.000 So, like, what's the radical departure from this then that saves it all? 0.93

02:54:07.000 In your mind, like, what's the Joe Rogan...

02:54:10.000 United Nations speech.

02:54:11.000 I think people are more aware of the flaws of the system than they ever have been any generation previous. 0.94

02:54:16.000 I think when you look at kids from the 70s and the 80s, I don't think they were nearly as educated as to how truly fucked up this country is.

02:54:23.000 But also yet truly amazing in terms of like the history of the world.

02:54:28.000 But has plenty to improve on.

02:54:31.000 But probably will.

02:54:33.000 I think people are getting better at life.

02:54:35.000 They're getting better at all the things.

02:54:37.000 And government will come along with it.

02:54:39.000 I think we're going to get better at things.

02:54:40.000 We understand each other better.

02:54:41.000 We communicate better.

02:54:43.000 I'm optimistic.

02:54:44.000 And I think with all these incredibly intelligent people that are looking at the problems in the world in terms of carbon in the atmosphere or pollution in the ocean, people are already starting to work on solutions.

02:54:56.000 I got you.

02:54:56.000 I'm really optimistic that there's at least the potential for someone to figure out some solutions to some of these problems.

02:55:04.000 Overpopulation is always going to be a weird one because you don't have the right to tell people how many kids they can have.

02:55:10.000 Yeah. 0.80

02:55:11.000 If you meet somebody and he's got 10 kids and the most fucking amazing family ever, what? 0.97

02:55:16.000 What are you going to say? 0.99

02:55:17.000 It's bad?

02:55:18.000 They have 10 amazing kids.

02:55:20.000 Everybody's great.

02:55:20.000 You go over to the house, it's all love.

02:55:22.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:55:23.000 Why is that bad? 1.00

02:55:24.000 So people are good, but only a certain amount?

02:55:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:55:28.000 That's where it gets weird.

02:55:29.000 But it's not a cut and dry issue.

02:55:32.000 It's not a one or a zero.

02:55:33.000 It's like, yeah, there are too many people.

02:55:34.000 And yeah, you probably shouldn't have 10 kids. 1.00

02:55:36.000 But you got a fucking awesome family. 0.99

02:55:37.000 So, hey, have a good night, man. 1.00

02:55:39.000 I don't know what the fuck to do. 0.99

02:55:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:55:42.000 I'm just speaking as a lot of the brown people.

02:55:48.000 This scenario just never went well for us, so I'm always checking out.

02:55:54.000 You can't tell people what to do.

02:55:56.000 You're just always watching.

02:55:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:55:59.000 That scenario usually doesn't go good. 0.99

02:56:01.000 Telling people how many kids they can have, get the fuck out. 0.99

02:56:04.000 That is crazy. 0.99

02:56:05.000 But it happens.

02:56:05.000 It happens.

02:56:06.000 You think about countries where refugees are pointing to now just put up illegal sterilizations.

02:56:13.000 You start to see where countries are sterilizing refugees that are coming in.

02:56:17.000 It's crazy.

02:56:17.000 And it's scary.

02:56:18.000 It's terrifying.

02:56:19.000 And I don't want my country to become that.

02:56:23.000 What countries have sterilized people as they've come in?

02:56:26.000 I've read a story about it once that they did that to some refugees somewhere, but I can't remember where it was.

02:56:30.000 I can't remember either.

02:56:31.000 We should probably know.

02:56:33.000 What country accused of sterilizing refugees?

02:56:37.000 Maybe that was just a rumor.

02:56:38.000 Maybe.

02:56:39.000 But it's not a far off rumor.

02:56:41.000 I could imagine that happening here.

02:56:44.000 Not saying...

02:56:45.000 With some people, if they had their way?

02:56:47.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:56:48.000 And that's scary to think about, that these are the people we put in power.

02:56:51.000 Like, you know what was cool to me about what Miss Ellison taught me?

02:56:55.000 She was a teacher.

02:56:56.000 She had one leg, right? 0.71

02:56:57.000 And she wore like a Curly Larian mold, three stooges. 1.00

02:57:01.000 She wore like the little mushroom hairstyle curled under. 1.00

02:57:04.000 And she was mean as shit, man. 1.00

02:57:07.000 Like, God damn, she was mean. 1.00

02:57:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:57:08.000 But this lady talked to fucking. 1.00

02:57:10.000 She taught civics. 0.99

02:57:12.000 And when she taught about how even if your parents weren't naturalized, they weren't citizens, if you were just born on U.S. soil...

02:57:20.000 You got a shot.

02:57:21.000 You know, you were a citizen. 0.99

02:57:22.000 And I was just like, damn, that's amazing. 0.97

02:57:24.000 Because when you think about, at that time, we had learned about, I think, in history, the Irish and their plight to be here and things of that nature. 1.00

02:57:31.000 Just like, man, this country gives you a fucking shot. 0.98

02:57:34.000 And this is like when America was rattled. 1.00

02:57:36.000 This is in the middle of public enemy era and shit. 0.99

02:57:38.000 But there was something to be admired in that. 0.99

02:57:41.000 Like, James Baldwin had an adoration.

02:57:43.000 Poor America that many people didn't, even though he ended up dying as he's living in France. 0.99

02:57:47.000 I think the expectation, the dream that America sells you, man, this shit is amazing, or it can be. 0.99

02:57:52.000 And to know that that was the possibility then and now, my kids don't think like that. 0.99

02:57:57.000 My kids are dead in the middle of keeping people out. 1.00

02:58:00.000 That shit is fucking weird. 1.00

02:58:01.000 So in my lifetime, I'm scared that that's something I might see happen in this country. 1.00

02:58:06.000 That's how afraid I am right now. 1.00

02:58:08.000 With shit going fucked up. 0.99

02:58:09.000 That's what I mean when I say, when you say, well, we'll have a government or a world one day where people will be more affluent. 1.00

02:58:17.000 Well, in capitalism, even though I'm a capitalist, you know, I try to practice compassionate capitalism.

02:58:22.000 In capitalism, capitalism requires someone get snookered.

02:58:27.000 Does it really?

02:58:28.000 The way we practice it, absolutely.

02:58:30.000 Ideally, you shouldn't.

02:58:31.000 It should be more like Milton Friedman and the free market and what Thomas Sowell talked about.

02:58:35.000 Not we as in you and I, but you and I engage in capitalism.

02:58:40.000 Yeah, you and I engage in capitalism is a lot more fair than what countries are doing with one another and with citizens.

02:58:47.000 That's why I say the current system of capitalism.

02:58:50.000 There's nothing wrong With you being able to buy that beautiful Jeep outside based on the work you've done, your work ethic will determine your worth.

02:58:57.000 It's written in the window of my barbershop.

02:58:59.000 And I really mean that, right?

02:59:00.000 Your work ethic is going to determine what you're worth.

02:59:02.000 Even if there's no such thing as money, if you plow your fields, you're going to be more bountiful so long as the rain gives you something.

02:59:07.000 Let me ask you this.

02:59:08.000 Do you think it's the system of capitalism itself that has the flaws in it, or is it human nature and people's desire to exploit things?

02:59:14.000 I think it's human nature unchecked in that system.

02:59:19.000 I think that...

02:59:22.000 Allowing marijuana to become legal should not have allowed the type of taxation that's been allowed in California.

02:59:29.000 Well, Colorado was, at one point in time, was 39%?

02:59:33.000 Yeah.

02:59:34.000 What is it in California?

02:59:35.000 I don't know, but it's high enough that I've seen an ounce a week go from about $150 to $320.

02:59:40.000 I think that's terrible, but I would like it if all that money went to a good purpose.

02:59:43.000 But we know it's not.

02:59:44.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

02:59:45.000 See, that's what I'm saying.

02:59:46.000 There we go. 1.00

02:59:47.000 There's the fucking shit. 1.00

02:59:48.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

02:59:49.000 It never lands where it should.

02:59:52.000 It never does what it's supposed to do.

02:59:54.000 That's what I'm getting to.

02:59:56.000 That's why I say it with the scenario when I say, you know, I don't want to be that guy, but it usually doesn't go good for brown people. 1.00

03:00:01.000 Just because you're just like, God fucking damn. 1.00

03:00:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:00:04.000 Like, why isn't good happening in the immediate? 0.99

03:00:07.000 Because so much money is pushed into the immediate.

03:00:09.000 Well, if weed does become legal worldwide, I mean, countrywide, it's entirely possible that it's going to stimulate economies in a lot of very poor places.

03:00:18.000 It's going to have some real positive benefit.

03:00:20.000 I agree.

03:00:21.000 But...

03:00:24.000 What I'm saying about capitalism is, why are we not ensuring that the people who have suffered since 1937 have a fair shot, right?

03:00:34.000 We've allowed so many laws to come in with marijuana legalization that it does not allow for the small businessman to...

03:00:42.000 To have the type of ingenuity set up that a small liquor store had at the end of Prohibition.

03:00:48.000 Right.

03:00:48.000 Or bar.

03:00:49.000 Jamie was telling me that in Ohio they were setting it up so they were trying to make it legal but only two guys can grow it.

03:00:54.000 Two enormous corporations.

03:00:56.000 That was the bill, right?

03:00:57.000 Is that how it worked, Jamie?

03:00:58.000 I believe it might have been four or something.

03:01:00.000 Four.

03:01:00.000 It wasn't a lot.

03:01:01.000 Some small amount of people.

03:01:02.000 They were the only ones who could grow it.

03:01:03.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, bro. 0.99

03:01:04.000 We know that's fucked up. 0.99

03:01:06.000 That's so crazy that anyone even asked for that. 1.00

03:01:08.000 We know that's fucked up. 0.97

03:01:09.000 When it should just be, you're allowed to grow it with a $100 state federal tax, I mean a state tax stamp. 0.97

03:01:16.000 You got a state tax stamp for $100.

03:01:18.000 You can grow up to three acres of marijuana.

03:01:22.000 Bam.

03:01:22.000 Love it.

03:01:23.000 Perfect.

03:01:24.000 Love it. 1.00

03:01:24.000 Do your shit. 1.00

03:01:25.000 And then the growers have to buy from you. 1.00

03:01:27.000 So if a farmer wants to make a collective with four of the farmers, they're making that collective.

03:01:31.000 But we shouldn't be able to allow that type of domination because essentially then you're just giving people monopolies of sorts.

03:01:40.000 So it's like I don't trust us. 0.98

03:01:44.000 To be on our shit enough with the people we leave in charge. 0.99

03:01:48.000 Right. 0.99

03:01:48.000 Well, it also, it wouldn't make sense in any other relationship. 0.99

03:01:52.000 In any other relationship where all someone is saying is, if I let you sell something, you give me a certain percentage because you're basically saying that all of the frameworks of our government and the city's roads that you drive on, all that stuff takes money to maintain.

03:02:08.000 So we're just going to take a little piece.

03:02:09.000 No, they're taking 39%.

03:02:11.000 That's so much.

03:02:13.000 But if that 39% went all to public schools and paying teachers more money and paying cops and paying firemen and community centers...

03:02:23.000 But beyond just paying...

03:02:26.000 Son of a former cop, cousin of current cops.

03:02:30.000 Policemen should be from areas that they're policing or areas like those.

03:02:36.000 They should be offered no interest loans to live at and around those communities.

03:02:41.000 Teachers should be also, and the fire department, they should almost hold a special place because of the nobility of those jobs and how important they are.

03:02:49.000 We also should do stuff like tax freezes once you retire.

03:02:53.000 Whatever your taxes are, once you retire at 65 years old, we should knock maybe 10-20% off and that's what you pay until you die.

03:03:01.000 We should do everything we can to make the class of people you're saying about affluence possible and we're not doing it.

03:03:09.000 I guess that's the only button I'm pushing when I seem...

03:03:12.000 Because I'm a very optimistic person, but my pessimism comes more from...

03:03:18.000 I don't know.

03:03:39.000 Some of us do.

03:03:40.000 Some of us do.

03:03:41.000 You do.

03:03:41.000 Absolutely.

03:03:42.000 Yeah, you do.

03:03:42.000 And I do.

03:03:43.000 There's people that do.

03:03:44.000 And it's a hard knock into your head to really let it sink in.

03:03:48.000 Yeah.

03:03:49.000 But once you do let it sink in and you live your life that way, reciprocity and friendship for all and camaraderie.

03:03:55.000 Absolutely.

03:03:55.000 It's a richer life.

03:03:56.000 It's a better life.

03:03:57.000 Absolutely.

03:03:57.000 The problem is people aren't taught it.

03:03:59.000 They're not taught it enough.

03:04:00.000 They're not taught it.

03:04:01.000 And men are taught to face each other, to hate each other, and to hate on each other, and to look at each other with a famine mentality, or scarcity mentality.

03:04:08.000 And that's just life.

03:04:08.000 That's life.

03:04:09.000 It's the lamest shit alive. 1.00

03:04:10.000 That is life. 1.00

03:04:11.000 The opposite is beautiful.

03:04:12.000 The opposite where you're uplifting people, and like you, you've gave out 35 shout-outs.

03:04:16.000 You're a happy dude.

03:04:18.000 You're a positive dude.

03:04:19.000 That's what it's all about, man.

03:04:20.000 That makes me feel better to these people like you out there. 0.99

03:04:22.000 It makes people feel better when they listen to your music and they enjoy it, that you're this guy behind it that's not taking any of this for granted and you're running with this shit. 0.99

03:04:30.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99

03:04:30.000 I appreciate it, man. 0.99

03:04:31.000 It's beautiful, man.

03:04:32.000 Love it.

03:04:32.000 Dude, we just did three hours.

03:04:34.000 It felt like a good three, too.

03:04:37.000 I'm going to tell my wife, I pulled off a three.

03:04:39.000 I had a piss so hard for 20 minutes.

03:04:39.000 It was incredible.

03:04:40.000 I was hanging in there tight.

03:04:42.000 But listen, man, I'm a big fan.

03:04:43.000 I'm honored that you came down here and did this.

03:04:46.000 It was beautiful for me. 1.00

03:04:48.000 I enjoyed it very much, and I love your shit. 0.99

03:04:49.000 Thank you very much. 0.98

03:04:50.000 Tell people how to get you online.

03:04:53.000 I'm just Killer Mike online. 0.99

03:04:54.000 K-I-L-L-E-R-M-I-K-E. Instagram, Twitter, all that shit. 0.98

03:04:58.000 I don't go to my Facebook. 1.00

03:05:00.000 That's one of my kids running that shit. 1.00

03:05:02.000 So don't send titty pics. 1.00

03:05:04.000 Thank you, brother.

03:05:05.000 Appreciate it, man.

03:05:05.000 Love.

03:05:06.000 Peace.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 23, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1230 - Killer Mike

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