The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1243 - Rafinha Bastos

00:00:00.000 I'm going to wait for the green sign before I point.

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00:00:11.000 We had some technical difficulties.

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00:00:14.000 So anyway, brother, welcome.

00:00:15.000 Thanks for coming here.

00:00:17.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:17.000 So what we were saying before, we actually said this already, but let's say it again because the people didn't hear it.

00:00:22.000 You were one of the pioneers of stand-up comedy in Brazil.

00:00:26.000 Yeah.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, I started with like four or five guys.

00:00:30.000 We started doing it like 16, 17 years ago.

00:00:34.000 And nobody knew about stand-up.

00:00:37.000 It was something that I found out when I came here to live and play basketball.

00:00:40.000 I had a scholarship to play basketball.

00:00:42.000 And I watched Jim Gaffingen.

00:00:44.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:45.000 And Brian Regan.

00:00:47.000 Ah, I know those guys.

00:00:48.000 And I thought it was so weird because those guys were like...

00:00:53.000 I was questioning, is his name Brian Riegel?

00:00:58.000 Is it actually him?

00:01:00.000 Because we used to have characters and impersonators.

00:01:04.000 So it was kind of weird, but at the same time it was interesting because I'm not a guy who does characters and I do observations and I write.

00:01:12.000 I was a journalist.

00:01:13.000 I have a degree in journalism.

00:01:14.000 So it was interesting for me to see those guys doing comedy.

00:01:17.000 And I thought we could do the same in my country.

00:01:19.000 It's so crazy that it took that long for it to get to Brazil.

00:01:23.000 Yeah.

00:01:23.000 You would think that because everything else, I mean, you guys have movies and, you know, I mean, City of God, you have action movies, you have so much that's so similar.

00:01:33.000 The fact that stand-up comedy made it there is so unusual.

00:01:35.000 It took a long time.

00:01:37.000 It was, I don't know why, but the image of a comedian speaking like with a blazer or like a suit or something.

00:01:44.000 Like Jerry Seinfeld.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, it was very American, you know?

00:01:47.000 And those jokes didn't actually connect that much with us.

00:01:51.000 Like, oh, I have those pockets.

00:01:53.000 And it was something that we have bigger problems than...

00:01:57.000 Oh, I just have a pocket.

00:01:58.000 Where am I going to put my pen?

00:02:00.000 It was something that we couldn't connect that much.

00:02:04.000 But when we saw there was a lot of people doing other stuff, and there was this huge role that we could actually explore, that was when it became interesting for us.

00:02:14.000 So comedy in Brazil, there would basically be like, say if I was a Brazilian comedian, I would come up with a fake name, and I would do a character.

00:02:23.000 A wig, probably.

00:02:24.000 A wig.

00:02:25.000 A certain outfit.

00:02:26.000 Outfit, like very over the top, screaming, and...

00:02:31.000 And that still exists in Brazil.

00:02:35.000 This is like a popular for the people.

00:02:37.000 Stand-up, I'm not saying that it's for everyone.

00:02:40.000 Now I have my Netflix special.

00:02:42.000 It's becoming huge because we have some other options right now.

00:02:47.000 With the internet, everything changed.

00:02:49.000 The game changed completely.

00:02:51.000 So we have what is good has its own space right now.

00:02:55.000 It's not only what the TV wants you to watch.

00:02:58.000 So the game changed a little for all of us.

00:03:01.000 So how did you start out?

00:03:02.000 Did you start out by going to music clubs?

00:03:06.000 It was, I actually started in a BDSM club.

00:03:11.000 A sadomasochist club?

00:03:13.000 Yes.

00:03:13.000 Really?

00:03:14.000 I remember that there was like pictures of cocks in the bathroom and like vaginas, like huge vaginas. 1.00

00:03:23.000 And we had that show and it wasn't good, but it was an experience for all of us. 0.99

00:03:30.000 To go on stage and try to show them our opinions and our jokes and some irony and sarcasm, which was something that people wasn't watching.

00:03:42.000 But then it becomes something huge and we got chances to go to TV and everything else.

00:03:49.000 But at first it was difficult because people could not understand, is he a character?

00:03:53.000 Is he playing a part?

00:03:55.000 So that's why I had, and I still have, I have a lot of problems with the law because, like I did a rape joke, which I'm not proud of.

00:04:05.000 I'm saying, it's not something, oh, I'm so over the line. 0.71

00:04:10.000 But he was like, does this guy want people to be raped? 0.97

00:04:14.000 What is he thinking? 0.99

00:04:16.000 What is...

00:04:17.000 Because all those jokes was taken out of context and put it on newspapers and kind of killed my desire to do comedy over that as well.

00:04:26.000 Really? 0.94

00:04:26.000 Yeah, it was difficult, man, because it was like journalists in the audience waiting for me to say some shit to put out of context and then got like fucking like billions of clicks on their websites because of a joke I did. 0.94

00:04:44.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:04:45.000 That's how the controversy was starting over that.

00:04:48.000 I don't know if it's the same thing here.

00:04:49.000 So they knew that this was a new thing.

00:04:52.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 So they would come to see it.

00:04:54.000 And then were they criticizing it before this?

00:04:57.000 It was huge.

00:04:59.000 Everybody loved it at first.

00:05:01.000 But when we started to have money and TV shows and we kind of...

00:05:10.000 I ran away out of the underground.

00:05:12.000 I was doing shows at midnight, like packing a 300C theater at midnight in Brazil.

00:05:19.000 That was my thing.

00:05:20.000 Underground, in Sao Paulo, in the middle of nowhere.

00:05:23.000 But then people, oh, this guy's talented.

00:05:25.000 Let me give him a chance.

00:05:26.000 So they put me on TV and out of nowhere.

00:05:29.000 I was on TV doing the same thing.

00:05:31.000 Wow.

00:05:32.000 So the country was not that prepared for what I was doing at the time.

00:05:37.000 What kind of laws do you have in Brazil in terms of like the language you're allowed to use on television?

00:05:43.000 You know, I'm not saying there's like a government censorship about what you can say or what you cannot say, but Sponsors and even TV stations and the media is very sensitive about everything because it's still a poor country.

00:06:02.000 Brazil is still a third-world country. 1.00

00:06:04.000 So we have a lot of people that don't understand the, oh, this is comedy.

00:06:10.000 What's comedy?

00:06:11.000 So it was my duty to explain a little bit what was stand-up and kind of open a road for all of us.

00:06:20.000 That's how I felt.

00:06:22.000 So you and you said three other comedians?

00:06:24.000 It was like three or four guys, yeah.

00:06:25.000 So who are these other guys?

00:06:26.000 They're still doing comedy in Brazil.

00:06:28.000 Yeah?

00:06:28.000 Yeah, they're still doing.

00:06:29.000 They're still huge.

00:06:30.000 What are their names?

00:06:32.000 Marcelo Mansfield, Danilo Gentili, Oscar Filho.

00:06:36.000 There was a small group of guys that we started doing it.

00:06:39.000 Brazilian Portuguese is such a beautiful language.

00:06:41.000 Do you think that?

00:06:42.000 I love it.

00:06:43.000 It's like a song.

00:06:44.000 Do you really?

00:06:45.000 Well, I've been doing jiu-jitsu for 23 years, so it's like, to me, that sound is like, it's such a cool sound.

00:06:52.000 What does Brazilians say in jiu-jitsu?

00:06:55.000 Is that a word or something that they're still repeating that you know?

00:06:58.000 Well, I mean, you know, porra.

00:07:00.000 Porra. 0.98

00:07:01.000 Which is cum? 1.00

00:07:03.000 Yeah, is that fuck or cum? 1.00

00:07:04.000 Which one is it? 1.00

00:07:05.000 But sometimes it's fuck, too. 1.00

00:07:07.000 Ah, pohado. 1.00

00:07:08.000 Sometimes you say it like, damn! 1.00

00:07:10.000 Yeah, but it's cum. 1.00

00:07:11.000 It's cum. 1.00

00:07:12.000 But so that's funny, because that's like the word shit. 1.00

00:07:15.000 Like, shit could be like, you could look at something and go, shit! 1.00

00:07:18.000 Like, that's good. 1.00

00:07:21.000 But shit can also be bad. 1.00

00:07:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:24.000 You know, like, well, fuck, too. 1.00

00:07:25.000 Like, fuck could be good or fuck could be bad. 1.00

00:07:27.000 Like, you could stub your toe and go, fuck! 1.00

00:07:29.000 Or you could see a girl with a beautiful body and go, fuck! 1.00

00:07:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:34.000 But poja is the same thing.

00:07:36.000 That's so crazy, but it's cow. 0.99

00:07:37.000 Poja, poja, it's good.

00:07:39.000 It's like that big bird.

00:07:41.000 Poja!

00:07:42.000 But then you'd...

00:07:43.000 You're getting a choke, porra. 0.66

00:07:45.000 Exactly.

00:07:46.000 I got it.

00:07:47.000 It's the same thing.

00:07:47.000 Exactly.

00:07:48.000 It's exactly the same thing.

00:07:49.000 That's so funny, man.

00:07:50.000 Language is difficult, man.

00:07:51.000 Yes.

00:07:51.000 For me to speak in English, I wasn't a...

00:07:55.000 You know, I was thinking about it.

00:07:59.000 Black people have to stop using the N-word in rap songs because it becomes a trap for me, the karaoke.

00:08:07.000 I was singing karaoke at the end of the song.

00:08:09.000 This guy came up to me and was like, don't drop the N word, man.

00:08:13.000 But it wasn't the song.

00:08:15.000 So what should I do?

00:08:16.000 Not sing the word?

00:08:17.000 Right.

00:08:18.000 So the language is something that I'm still learning.

00:08:23.000 It's difficult, man.

00:08:24.000 Well, it's very tricky.

00:08:25.000 I mean, it's obviously in America, there's this sort of acknowledgement that black people were slaves for so long, they are allowed to do more things.

00:08:36.000 Right.

00:08:37.000 In particular, use that word.

00:08:39.000 Okay.

00:08:40.000 There's no other word, like, in terms of, like, a bad word about an ethnicity that people use for themselves.

00:08:49.000 Like, a Puerto Rican person would never call himself a spick.

00:08:52.000 In, like, a good, like, what's up, spick? 1.00

00:08:55.000 Like, to another Puerto Rican. 0.89

00:08:56.000 They wouldn't.

00:08:57.000 The N-word is a very unique word.

00:09:00.000 Like, there's no word, really, that I can think of.

00:09:01.000 So you cannot say in any situation... 0.63

00:09:04.000 I can say it if I'm explaining it like this guy called that guy a nigger.

00:09:09.000 I can say that.

00:09:09.000 But even saying that, some people wouldn't do that.

00:09:13.000 I would never call someone that, but I will use it if I'm quoting someone or if I'm explaining the word itself.

00:09:22.000 Because to run away from the joke is even harder because you're acknowledging that that's a forbidden word.

00:09:30.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:09:31.000 Well, Chris Rock had one of the greatest bits of all time that there are black people and there are niggers. 1.00

00:09:37.000 This was his joke. 0.96

00:09:38.000 But even for me to say that that was a joke and to say it that way is dangerous.

00:09:44.000 And it's one of the greatest comedy routines in the history of stand-up.

00:09:47.000 That's crazy.

00:09:48.000 Yeah, but a white person could never quote that joke. 0.95

00:09:51.000 You can't do the joke.

00:09:53.000 Like, if you tried to do the joke to your friend, like, you'd have to go, come here, come here, come here.

00:09:58.000 Look around.

00:09:59.000 Chris Rock is so funny, let me tell you the bit.

00:10:01.000 You'd have to be really careful.

00:10:02.000 There's no way you could do the whole joke on a podcast.

00:10:05.000 No.

00:10:06.000 It's just you say the N-word too many times.

00:10:08.000 People get mad at you. 0.66

00:10:09.000 That's crazy, man. 0.91

00:10:11.000 You know, racism is crazy.

00:10:13.000 The fact that there's still racism, that's what's crazy.

00:10:16.000 The word is just sort of like a, it's emblematic.

00:10:21.000 It's like there's a thing there that connects it to the feeling of racism, even if you're not using it in a racist context.

00:10:28.000 Yes, so for me, I'm a foreigner, so I was never so aware of races like I am now living in this country.

00:10:38.000 Yeah, Brazil is...

00:10:39.000 Racism is very mild, very different.

00:10:43.000 There is racism.

00:10:44.000 I cannot say that there is not racism.

00:10:46.000 Of course there is.

00:10:47.000 But here, it's like...

00:10:49.000 When there's election, they even say how the white voted and how the black voted.

00:10:55.000 That's kind of weird because for me that's racism.

00:10:57.000 You're like dividing people on races and it's clear on TV. And sometimes you don't even stop thinking about it.

00:11:04.000 It's like it's part of the whole thing.

00:11:07.000 Well, it's because the black community doesn't feel like they're represented. 0.60

00:11:10.000 And they felt like they were represented finally when Obama became president because finally we had a black president.

00:11:16.000 But other than that...

00:11:17.000 There's a real distinction.

00:11:19.000 With Obama, it was almost universal he was going to get, air quotes, the black vote. 0.66

00:11:25.000 But with Trump, or with anybody else, it's very tricky.

00:11:29.000 It's a very different thing.

00:11:31.000 They want to make sure that their community is being represented and that their needs are being represented.

00:11:36.000 I completely understand and I agree that there's some acknowledgement to make about the history.

00:11:41.000 But at the same time, acknowledging...

00:11:46.000 It kind of divides you a little bit as well.

00:12:02.000 You know, again, the real problem is not the words.

00:12:05.000 The real problem is actual real racism.

00:12:08.000 That's the real problem.

00:12:09.000 It still exists.

00:12:11.000 It exists less than it did 100 years ago and far less than it did 200 years ago.

00:12:15.000 And 100 years from now, it'll probably be almost non-existent.

00:12:18.000 But it's a real problem.

00:12:20.000 People are tribal. 0.98

00:12:20.000 They differentiate by town. 0.98

00:12:22.000 People differentiate by what part of the country you're from.

00:12:25.000 They certainly differentiate by nation.

00:12:27.000 And they differentiate by the origin of your ancestors.

00:12:30.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:12:31.000 It's really stupid is what it is. 1.00

00:12:34.000 Unless you're just celebrating the differences and how interesting there's different food and different music and different culture and literature. 0.99

00:12:41.000 But the actual real racism, the fact that it still exists in 2019. It is crazy.

00:12:49.000 And there is a racism in Brazil as well.

00:12:51.000 I'm not saying that there's not racism.

00:12:53.000 It was more mild when I was there.

00:12:55.000 Interracial relationships are much more common. 1.00

00:12:57.000 If you see a black guy with a white woman, nobody's going to say shit. 1.00

00:13:03.000 It's normal. 1.00

00:13:04.000 It's not something that people are going to be pointing or something.

00:13:07.000 I don't think so.

00:13:08.000 But there's parts of this country where it's a real problem.

00:13:11.000 There's parts of this country where there's real racism and a black man with a white woman is in danger.

00:13:17.000 They have to be careful if they go into the wrong bar.

00:13:19.000 They have to be careful if they go into the wrong place. 0.99

00:13:21.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:13:23.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:13:23.000 Yeah, it is crazy. 1.00

00:13:24.000 There is some kind of a...

00:13:26.000 It's not 100% of the time that I feel comfortable here.

00:13:32.000 There's a lot of situations that I feel that I can say the wrong thing because I don't understand.

00:13:38.000 Because you don't understand the language.

00:13:39.000 When did you learn English?

00:13:41.000 I play basketball here.

00:13:43.000 Oh, so you learned in order to play?

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 How old were you at the time?

00:13:47.000 It was 1999. I was 23 at the time.

00:13:51.000 I'm 42. So it was 1999. I played basketball here and I learned English.

00:13:57.000 And that's when I got... 0.99

00:13:58.000 The first time I saw stand-up, I was like, fuck, that's so easy. 1.00

00:14:02.000 Wow. 0.99

00:14:03.000 That was 1999. So when you brought it over to Brazil, when you brought over stand-up, did you guys get together and say, hey, let's try to do this over here, where can we do it?

00:14:14.000 I had three friends that knew about it.

00:14:17.000 It's kind of a cult, a secret cult of people who knew about stand-up.

00:14:22.000 And we were like, let's try it.

00:14:24.000 But the only image that we have was Seinfeld at the end of every episode.

00:14:30.000 Wow.

00:14:31.000 That was the thing for us.

00:14:33.000 That's the only reference.

00:14:34.000 I still remember that the first video that we're talking about what we were doing, we were like, oh, so this is stand-up.

00:14:41.000 Did you ever see every episode of Seinfeld at the end?

00:14:44.000 He does like a routine.

00:14:45.000 Oh, this is what they're going to do on the theater right now.

00:14:48.000 So that's when we wanted to do it.

00:14:52.000 And it took some time because we started in 2008. 2002, 2003, and YouTube just came in 2005. But when YouTube came, there was like a lot of people posting stand-up and little like 30 Minutes Comedy Central specials,

00:15:10.000 and then we could see.

00:15:12.000 And it was difficult at first because of everything that I was writing.

00:15:16.000 I could see people doing on TV, my jokes.

00:15:20.000 It was hard for me to explain to people, this is my joke.

00:15:25.000 Like someone stole your joke?

00:15:26.000 Yeah, it was not even like stealing because it's just a joke.

00:15:30.000 It's just a joke.

00:15:31.000 How can I explain to people, okay, this is what I wrote.

00:15:34.000 I'm not going to do jokes that other people wrote.

00:15:39.000 It's mine.

00:15:40.000 People thought I was a little crazy.

00:15:43.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:15:44.000 Wow.

00:15:44.000 Because, you know, I don't know if you have these anecdotes.

00:15:48.000 That everybody say, do you still have here in America?

00:15:51.000 Okay.

00:15:52.000 We have stand-up where people write their own stuff, and we have anecdotes.

00:15:56.000 And that's what we have, like little books with anecdotes.

00:15:59.000 So when I say a joke, people will think that I was doing from those books.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, there's stand-up comedy, and then there's jokes that people tell.

00:16:06.000 We call them street jokes.

00:16:08.000 Yeah, like two Jews walking to a bar, that kind of stuff.

00:16:11.000 Those jokes are so interesting because I don't know anybody who's ever written one of those jokes.

00:16:16.000 I don't, but if you think about it, that is a good timing. 0.88

00:16:19.000 It's something that every time that I see one of those good street jokes, I was like, fuck, I want me to create that thing.

00:16:28.000 Yeah, but it's interesting because there's so many of them and no one knows anyone who wrote them.

00:16:34.000 There was one guy in Brazil that was doing those three jokes and he created like 10% of what he did.

00:16:41.000 Interesting.

00:16:41.000 But for him it was like, this is what I created and the 90% that I didn't create, it's kind of in the same chunk.

00:16:48.000 I don't differentiate.

00:16:49.000 Now, when Seinfeld airs in Brazil, I assume that it's translated to Portuguese.

00:16:54.000 It's dubbed.

00:16:55.000 It's dubbed.

00:16:56.000 And when it's dubbed, is it dubbed well?

00:16:58.000 Does it make sense?

00:17:00.000 Nah.

00:17:00.000 No?

00:17:01.000 No, no.

00:17:01.000 No, it doesn't.

00:17:02.000 Do the jokes translate?

00:17:04.000 Stand-up-wise, no.

00:17:06.000 No.

00:17:06.000 The series works.

00:17:07.000 The series.

00:17:08.000 Now it got much better.

00:17:09.000 Dubbing, it got much better.

00:17:11.000 Oh, really?

00:17:11.000 But it's crazy.

00:17:12.000 We have subtitles as well.

00:17:14.000 Like, my Netflix special has subtitles here in America.

00:17:18.000 So, subtitles for English?

00:17:19.000 Yes.

00:17:20.000 Oh, wow.

00:17:21.000 So you do it in Portuguese?

00:17:22.000 Yes.

00:17:22.000 Do you do much stand-up in English?

00:17:24.000 Yeah, I have been doing stand-up here for eight months, like all the clubs and the improv and the factory.

00:17:31.000 But here I do it in English.

00:17:34.000 What I do on stage now is something that I wrote living here, like 80% and 20% I translated for my acting in Portuguese.

00:17:42.000 Wow.

00:17:43.000 And some of those jokes...

00:17:45.000 Don't work when I translate.

00:17:47.000 And it's always a surprise.

00:17:49.000 It's always a surprise.

00:17:51.000 Because the culture is so different, right?

00:17:52.000 It's like what people think is funny and what they find ironic.

00:17:55.000 But Joe, a joke is a joke, man.

00:17:59.000 It has a timing.

00:18:01.000 Now I'm able to do it at the same pace that I do in Portuguese.

00:18:05.000 I feel comfortable doing it in English.

00:18:08.000 So I feel the same thing.

00:18:10.000 And it's easier for me because I actually write jokes.

00:18:13.000 I have some friends that just like have some crowd work and interact with the audience and there's a lot of physical comedy in it.

00:18:22.000 So to translate that to English is difficult.

00:18:26.000 I write jokes.

00:18:28.000 So if I translate it in a right way, if people understand the context, if people understand what I'm talking about, like the pregnancy of my wife, and marriage, and I don't know, being single and everything, or maybe...

00:18:43.000 It can work.

00:18:45.000 Now, what was it like the first time you did stand-up in America?

00:18:48.000 The first time in English?

00:18:50.000 I actually have a clip on YouTube that The Laugh Factory posted.

00:18:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:18:54.000 It was...

00:18:55.000 It was very surprising.

00:18:57.000 It was very surprising because some jokes that I didn't think was that funny worked, and the ones that I was actually pretty sure they would work, didn't work.

00:19:10.000 And I got so frustrated and completely lost, man.

00:19:13.000 I was like, this is going to be a huge road for me.

00:19:18.000 And I have been doing it.

00:19:19.000 This is why I'm here, to do stand-up in English.

00:19:24.000 Now, stand-up, since it's been, you said, 16 years or so?

00:19:28.000 Yeah, 16 years.

00:19:29.000 16 years in Brazil.

00:19:30.000 Is it accepted now?

00:19:32.000 Is it a normal part of the culture?

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 Have they had comedy clubs open up yet?

00:19:36.000 I have my comedy club in Brazil.

00:19:37.000 Really?

00:19:37.000 Where is it?

00:19:38.000 It's in São Paulo.

00:19:39.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:40.000 It's called Comedians.

00:19:42.000 It's a 300 seat place, just like the improv.

00:19:45.000 Wow!

00:19:46.000 It's a great place I have in Brazil.

00:19:48.000 And there's enough local comedy to fill it up?

00:19:51.000 Yes.

00:19:51.000 That's incredible.

00:19:52.000 It does, it does.

00:19:53.000 Now I have like, like on a Saturday, I have three packed shows.

00:19:57.000 Wow!

00:19:57.000 Eight, ten, and midnight.

00:19:59.000 Wow!

00:19:59.000 Packed shows, like...

00:20:01.000 Well, Sao Paulo is a huge, huge, huge city.

00:20:04.000 There's like 15 million people living in Sao Paulo.

00:20:07.000 Wow, man.

00:20:08.000 That's 15 million people living in Sao Paulo.

00:20:09.000 That's so cool.

00:20:10.000 But all in Portuguese.

00:20:11.000 Yeah.

00:20:12.000 There's no stand-up in English in Brazil.

00:20:14.000 None.

00:20:14.000 Because, unfortunately, there's not that many people that speak English in Brazil.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, I know they were trying to organize shows.

00:20:21.000 Like, Jade was trying to get people to come to Brazil to do stand-up, and I was like, yeah, good luck with that.

00:20:27.000 That just seems, like, it doesn't seem like there's enough people.

00:20:31.000 Jade opened for me in Portuguese in Brazil.

00:20:33.000 Wow.

00:20:34.000 And she helped me a little bit at the beginning here, opening some clubs and getting me some gigs.

00:20:39.000 She's a very good friend.

00:20:40.000 And for her, it was a little difficult in Portuguese.

00:20:43.000 Oh, to translate English to Portuguese?

00:20:45.000 It was difficult.

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:47.000 First, because what you guys...

00:20:50.000 There's a culture, there's a stand-up culture here.

00:20:54.000 If you're this freaky and a little crazy and hippie, that's something that does not translate to another country.

00:21:02.000 You have to actually write jokes. 0.68

00:21:05.000 And for her it was a little difficult because she has this way of doing it.

00:21:09.000 Like interacting and she's like...

00:21:11.000 And if you mess up a word in Portuguese...

00:21:17.000 In English, if you mess up a word in English, it's kind of funny.

00:21:20.000 Oh, he's a foreigner. 1.00

00:21:22.000 They accept you.

00:21:23.000 There's this likability. 1.00

00:21:25.000 But if you mess up a word in Portuguese, you're a prick. 0.99

00:21:28.000 Really? 0.99

00:21:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:29.000 Oh, so you don't speak Portuguese.

00:21:31.000 Oh, you just speak English.

00:21:33.000 It sounds bad, right?

00:21:34.000 I see.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, that makes sense because America is such a melting pot.

00:21:38.000 There's so many different languages over here.

00:21:40.000 I read something the other day.

00:21:42.000 If you see someone and they speak broken English, don't make fun of them.

00:21:46.000 That means they speak two languages.

00:21:47.000 Yes.

00:21:48.000 And you don't.

00:21:49.000 Of course.

00:21:50.000 Most of us don't.

00:21:51.000 And Portuguese is similar to Spanish.

00:21:54.000 People who speak Portuguese speak Spanish, so I kind of speak three languages.

00:21:58.000 That's a lot. 0.82

00:22:00.000 Well, that helped Fabricio Verdum in Mexico because he's so fluent in Spanish that, you know, when he was over there fighting, you know, they were like, holy shit, this guy speaks perfect Spanish.

00:22:10.000 He's from the same city that I am, which is Porto Alegre city in the south.

00:22:14.000 So we kind of have some Spanish in the city.

00:22:18.000 It's close to Argentina.

00:22:20.000 Oh, I see.

00:22:21.000 Okay.

00:22:21.000 So it's kind of our thing there.

00:22:24.000 Oh, okay, cool.

00:22:25.000 So now...

00:22:27.000 When you were doing stand-up and you started to get in some trouble for bits...

00:22:33.000 A lot of trouble.

00:22:34.000 A lot of trouble.

00:22:35.000 How much trouble?

00:22:36.000 Yeah, a lot of money.

00:22:37.000 I spent a lot of money.

00:22:38.000 Really?

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 I lost a lot of lawsuits.

00:22:40.000 I lost a lot of lawsuits because of jokes.

00:22:43.000 Really?

00:22:43.000 Lawsuits?

00:22:44.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 So, like, who was suing you?

00:22:46.000 The people who felt offended.

00:22:48.000 So, people in the audience?

00:22:49.000 Artists.

00:22:50.000 When I make fun of a celebrity...

00:22:52.000 They would sue you?

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 They can sue you.

00:22:55.000 They can get money out of you.

00:22:56.000 Really?

00:22:57.000 Politicians.

00:22:58.000 Politicians?

00:22:59.000 So who sued you?

00:23:01.000 You know, I got this lawsuit that really put me in trouble.

00:23:07.000 It was because of a singer. 0.94

00:23:08.000 She was a singer and kind of almost killed my career.

00:23:13.000 He actually did.

00:23:14.000 That's why I'm here.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, I got on a huge lawsuit. 0.82

00:23:19.000 And it looks dumb when you explain, oh, it's just a singer.

00:23:23.000 But it became all this talk about freedom of speech and what comedians can say and what they cannot say.

00:23:31.000 Are you allowed to feel offended?

00:23:34.000 And now there's like law school talks about the lawsuit that I had.

00:23:40.000 Law school discussions about your case.

00:23:43.000 Yeah, because I made fun. 0.95

00:23:45.000 It was a shitty joke. 0.88

00:23:47.000 That's the problem. 0.98

00:23:48.000 You know, it's not because of law school.

00:23:50.000 I want to be sued by the good ones.

00:23:53.000 Because I don't want to be known by a bad joke.

00:23:56.000 Right, right, right.

00:23:57.000 Of course, yeah.

00:23:58.000 It's just like, I was saying this, it's just like you meeting Eddie Murphy, one of the greatest comedians ever, and you think, oh, there's Dr. Dolittle.

00:24:06.000 You don't want that.

00:24:06.000 Right, right, right.

00:24:07.000 You know, this is the same thing with me. 0.92

00:24:08.000 That joke was a shitty joke, and she was like... 0.96

00:24:36.000 It's a shitty joke. 0.98

00:24:38.000 But it was live. 0.98

00:24:39.000 It was like right on time.

00:24:40.000 Everybody left and there was no problem.

00:24:43.000 But next week, there was this huge thing because she was like, her husband was very influential and her husband was managing Ronaldo, which was one of the biggest soccer players ever.

00:24:58.000 So there was this whole thing, the TV show lost sponsors and they want to suspend me from the TV show because of a joke that I did.

00:25:07.000 They didn't tell me to apologize.

00:25:11.000 At first, but they suspended me.

00:25:13.000 So I quit the show.

00:25:16.000 No, so you just apologized.

00:25:17.000 And I decided not to apologize.

00:25:20.000 Because I felt that after like 10 years doing stand-up or 12 years doing stand-up, it was important for me to like put my feet on the ground and say, you know, if we step back right now, what am I going to do in like...

00:25:35.000 Two years.

00:25:36.000 This is important for all of us.

00:25:38.000 It's important for comedy.

00:25:40.000 So I lost lawsuits.

00:25:42.000 I lost movies.

00:25:43.000 So what did they rule in the lawsuit?

00:25:46.000 What was the ruling?

00:25:48.000 I offended her honor.

00:25:50.000 Yeah, it was something like that.

00:25:54.000 People can sue you.

00:25:55.000 The suing is part of the democracy.

00:25:58.000 It's okay to sue you, but to lose a lawsuit, that's the problem.

00:26:02.000 I lost like...

00:26:05.000 $150,000.

00:26:07.000 But in Brazil it was $350,000.

00:26:10.000 So if you're a lawyer and you get $10,000 a month, you get $10,000 a month.

00:26:15.000 So you don't translate money.

00:26:16.000 So I lost a lot of money.

00:26:18.000 But the thing is, it got me a huge headache and it was bad.

00:26:24.000 It was bad.

00:26:24.000 Just from that one joke?

00:26:25.000 Just for that one.

00:26:26.000 But you had other lawsuits?

00:26:28.000 Yeah, I had a lawsuit because I did like a rape joke and I got like this women movement like trying to break into my bar and break the door of my comedy club and that was like... 1.00

00:26:42.000 But the discussion was more important than the problem itself.

00:26:46.000 It was the discussion about freedom of speech and that was huge.

00:26:52.000 What is freedom of speech like in Brazil?

00:26:54.000 Is it the same?

00:26:55.000 I mean, obviously we have the First Amendment. 0.63

00:26:57.000 You have the First Amendment.

00:26:58.000 Do you have something?

00:26:59.000 No, we don't.

00:27:00.000 Wow.

00:27:00.000 We don't have that.

00:27:01.000 They don't even have that in Canada.

00:27:02.000 We don't have that.

00:27:03.000 I had Mike Ward on in Canada.

00:27:04.000 Do you know his story?

00:27:05.000 Yeah, I know.

00:27:06.000 He's the guy who made a joke about a sick boy.

00:27:09.000 The boy was still alive years later.

00:27:11.000 No, I didn't.

00:27:12.000 I thought it was.

00:27:13.000 And, you know, it was just a bad joke about this guy still being alive and can he get his money back because they donated money. 0.99

00:27:19.000 It's a fucked up joke. 0.99

00:27:21.000 But it's supposed to be a fucked up joke. 1.00

00:27:23.000 He's doing it in a nightclub situation where people are drinking. 0.98

00:27:27.000 You say things that are inappropriate, and that's the art form.

00:27:30.000 He got sued, and he's still in the process of it right now.

00:27:34.000 There's another case in Vancouver where these women were heckling. 1.00

00:27:37.000 They were yelling things out during the show, and then the comedian went on stage and berated the women, and then the women sued and won. 1.00

00:27:45.000 Because they were lesbians, and he made some lesbian jokes about them at their own expense, and so then they took him to court, and they won.

00:27:53.000 They won what?

00:27:54.000 They won some judgment, where he had to pay them.

00:27:57.000 I want to, Jamie, how much was it?

00:27:58.000 I want to say it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $30,000.

00:28:02.000 $30,000.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, and for this gentleman, this comedian, I think that was a lot of money.

00:28:08.000 $42,000.

00:28:09.000 $42,000. 0.99

00:28:10.000 Yeah, that's a lot of fucking money for an opening comedian. 0.98

00:28:13.000 I mean, he wasn't a famous guy, so that might be... 0.98

00:28:17.000 Two years work for him.

00:28:18.000 Who knows, you know?

00:28:19.000 Of course, of course.

00:28:20.000 Yeah, lost a lot of money as well.

00:28:21.000 So Canada is similar.

00:28:22.000 Canada does not have freedom of speech the same way the United States does.

00:28:26.000 Yeah, that's why I feel when I do comedy here and I feel that people get uncomfortable about a joke or two, that's when I get stressed.

00:28:35.000 It's like, you have the freedom of saying those things.

00:28:38.000 Yes.

00:28:38.000 Like, I have this joke that I say, it's about the N-word as well.

00:28:42.000 Maybe I have to change my...

00:28:46.000 But I have this joke that I do. 1.00

00:28:47.000 It's like, when I arrived here, someone said to me, you know, don't use the N-word or people are going to kick your ass. 0.99

00:28:52.000 But they never told me what the N-word was. 1.00

00:28:55.000 So for the past six months, I have been avoiding all wars with the leather N. And the other day, a guy came up to me and said, can I fuck your ass? 1.00

00:29:04.000 And I was like, maybe. 1.00

00:29:08.000 And when I say this joke, it's like I have to set up. 0.99

00:29:12.000 It's crazy because when I first did, it was like a fucking thing. 0.98

00:29:16.000 Everybody got uncomfortable. 0.96

00:29:18.000 But now I set up as a misunderstanding because I'm a foreigner.

00:29:23.000 And now I'm free to do everything else.

00:29:26.000 So I kind of found a way of doing it.

00:29:31.000 You found a way in.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, so that's, it's crazy, and I watch you a lot, and I see a lot of people here.

00:29:38.000 I saw the other guy, this guy did an interview with you, and he did this show in a college, and he did a joke, and people took him out of stage.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, Nimesh Patel, yeah.

00:29:50.000 That's crazy because you built the freedom to do that.

00:29:54.000 And now you're discussing if you can or if you cannot.

00:29:58.000 It's only in colleges though.

00:30:00.000 Children today, and I want to call them children, they do not understand the danger in suppressing free speech.

00:30:09.000 Yeah.

00:30:31.000 We're good to go.

00:30:49.000 Try to put yourself in someone's position and see what he's saying.

00:30:52.000 And in Nimesh's case, it's actually kind of funny.

00:30:56.000 First of all, he's a very open-minded guy, very progressive.

00:31:00.000 He's not in any way a racist.

00:31:02.000 And his joke was that people say that being gay is a choice.

00:31:08.000 And he said, I know it's not a choice because I have a friend who's black and gay, and there's no way he would choose both of those things.

00:31:15.000 It was just him being funny.

00:31:18.000 It's a funny joke.

00:31:19.000 And they were like, cut! 1.00

00:31:21.000 Get the fuck off the stage. 1.00

00:31:23.000 Like, what? 1.00

00:31:23.000 Come on, man. 1.00

00:31:24.000 You don't think that's funny?

00:31:25.000 That's crazy.

00:31:25.000 And it's also coming from an Indian man who I'm sure has experienced racism.

00:31:29.000 So the whole thing is, it's very fascinating to see young kids who are growing up in this PC culture bubble.

00:31:37.000 And, you know, sometimes people say on this podcast that we talk about it too much.

00:31:40.000 And maybe they're correct.

00:31:42.000 Maybe sometimes it's annoying if you're listening in your cubicle and you hear me talking too much about this.

00:31:46.000 But it's because it's an issue that's very dear to my heart, because I understand the dangers of not being able to communicate freely.

00:31:56.000 And I also understand what happens when, if you suppress free communication, the people that you're suppressing, they're going to get more and more angry and radical, and it just makes their position, they feel more justified.

00:32:09.000 And perhaps even people who are racist could perhaps be more racist, or people who are angry about gay people will become more angry about it if you suppress their ability to express themselves.

00:32:20.000 That's when born those little movements, neo-Nazi movements, little groups, and little groups on the web, and the deep web, when discussion, it's like when it's forbidden, I think you kind of give them a power that they didn't have.

00:32:32.000 I think so.

00:32:33.000 And I think this is something that we're really just getting to understand now.

00:32:37.000 I've had a few conversations about this recently with the head of Twitter and with an independent journalist, Tim Poole, last week.

00:32:44.000 And I think what people just started to kind of understand, even though everyone's uncomfortable about this, is we're still trying to figure this out.

00:32:52.000 Social media is only 10-plus years old.

00:32:54.000 This is an incredibly new experience for us.

00:32:56.000 And I don't think everybody knows exactly how to proceed.

00:32:59.000 And this idea that you can just ban people, and then just ban people for life.

00:33:03.000 If they say something that makes people uncomfortable, if they say an opinion that you don't agree with, ban them for life.

00:33:07.000 And we're experiencing that right now.

00:33:11.000 We're trying to figure out what to do and how to fix this and how to mitigate it without endorsing people, harassing people and endorsing people, you know, threatening people and giving out their address and their phone number and things along those lines.

00:33:24.000 So it's a process that we're all going through right now.

00:33:27.000 It is a learning process for the whole country.

00:33:31.000 But the thing that annoys me a little bit is that I... I live in another country and I see how things are difficult and how much time I spend explaining to people what I was doing.

00:33:46.000 And for you guys, it's like I was having the same problems that Lenny Bruce was having a long time ago.

00:33:52.000 And you guys built that.

00:33:54.000 To have that discussion, it is important because that's the way the world evolved.

00:34:01.000 But at the same time, it feels old.

00:34:04.000 It feels old.

00:34:05.000 Because you understand the history of it.

00:34:06.000 Yeah.

00:34:07.000 In America, yeah.

00:34:08.000 It feels old because you already had that discussion a long time ago.

00:34:12.000 Yeah.

00:34:12.000 Are you going to keep having this conversation?

00:34:15.000 When you think that you finally feel free to say whatever you want, now there's people trying to hold you back.

00:34:20.000 It's crazy.

00:34:21.000 Well, it's not...

00:34:23.000 Really effective.

00:34:24.000 See, there's people that are angry about it.

00:34:27.000 On social media, there's certainly people that are being effective with it.

00:34:32.000 But in stand-up comedy, there's blowback and pushback, but...

00:34:38.000 It's not very effective. 0.99

00:34:39.000 For the top guys, for guys like Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr, it actually makes their stand-up better because people are so tired of all this shit. 0.98

00:34:48.000 They're so tired of PC culture. 0.97

00:34:50.000 They're so tired of being told what they should and shouldn't think is funny and what is acceptable and not acceptable. 0.99

00:34:57.000 There's a lot of weird shit going on right now. 0.97

00:35:00.000 Did you ever have a problem with that? 0.99

00:35:01.000 Oh, yeah!

00:35:02.000 Did someone ever leave your show because of a joke you did? 1.00

00:35:05.000 Oh, fuck yeah! 0.99

00:35:06.000 What was the subject? 1.00

00:35:06.000 Oh my god, I don't even remember how many. 1.00

00:35:08.000 It's happened so many times.

00:35:11.000 People just stood up.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, I mean, people just get angry.

00:35:14.000 They get angry.

00:35:14.000 And you're allowed to.

00:35:15.000 I mean, it's fine.

00:35:18.000 Look, everybody has their own sensibilities, and one of the problems with stand-up comedy is if you go to a club to see music, you know what kind of music you're going to go see.

00:35:27.000 You want to go see salsa.

00:35:28.000 They have a salsa club.

00:35:30.000 You want to go see jazz.

00:35:31.000 You want to go see rock and roll, or you want to go to a rap show.

00:35:34.000 You know what you're going to see. 0.96

00:35:36.000 But if you go to see comedy, you could see fucking Barry Manilow, followed by Guns N' Roses, followed by Run DMC. I mean, it's... 0.98

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 Yeah.

00:35:56.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 We're good to go.

00:36:27.000 See, if I go to do a show, if I do a show somewhere in San Diego, say, and I advertise it, the people that come, they bought a ticket to see me.

00:36:34.000 It's your crowd.

00:36:35.000 Yes, but if I go to the comedy store, they might be there to see Neil Brennan or Chris D'Elia or whoever.

00:36:39.000 But they're still your crowd, Joe.

00:36:41.000 Some of them are.

00:36:42.000 At the comedy store.

00:36:42.000 They're still your crowd.

00:36:44.000 They still went there to watch you.

00:36:46.000 They know who you are.

00:36:47.000 If you go to...

00:36:48.000 Maybe the middle of Utah.

00:36:50.000 They are not going to know.

00:36:51.000 Utah's great.

00:36:52.000 You'd be surprised.

00:36:54.000 Wise guys comment.

00:36:55.000 Shout out to Salt Lake City.

00:36:56.000 Oh, yeah?

00:36:57.000 I lived in Nebraska, so I couldn't imagine someone...

00:37:00.000 You lived in Nebraska?

00:37:00.000 Yeah, that's what I... They gave me a scholarship to play basketball.

00:37:03.000 Jesus Christ.

00:37:04.000 What was that like?

00:37:05.000 I wasn't that good.

00:37:08.000 I got an NCAA Division II school.

00:37:11.000 It was crazy because I had a chance to meet the American people.

00:37:16.000 Right.

00:37:17.000 It's not the people who live in LA or New York.

00:37:20.000 That's different.

00:37:20.000 I remember.

00:37:21.000 Farmers.

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.000 And I was hanging around with black guys because they were my people.

00:37:27.000 I was a foreigner.

00:37:28.000 We were minorities and they were playing basketball with me.

00:37:31.000 So I felt...

00:37:33.000 It's a completely different experience to live in Nebraska.

00:37:37.000 It was awesome.

00:37:38.000 How'd you get out?

00:37:40.000 Did you walk?

00:37:41.000 I actually...

00:37:42.000 No.

00:37:44.000 I got injured.

00:37:46.000 I got into a fight, man, and I broke my jaw and my cheekbone.

00:37:50.000 No way.

00:37:50.000 A fight playing basketball?

00:37:52.000 On the court?

00:37:53.000 I used to fight a lot.

00:37:55.000 I'm not proud of that age, but I used to fight a lot.

00:37:59.000 I liked to fight.

00:38:01.000 But I never knew how to do it.

00:38:03.000 Which is crazy because you're Brazilian. 1.00

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 And, you know, that's where Vale Tudo started.

00:38:08.000 It's where Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu started.

00:38:10.000 I always won fights.

00:38:12.000 But the one that I lost, I broke my cheekbone and my jaw.

00:38:16.000 And I had to do surgery here.

00:38:19.000 And the surgery went bad.

00:38:21.000 Oh, no.

00:38:22.000 Because...

00:38:23.000 It's crazy.

00:38:24.000 That's specific.

00:38:25.000 But they don't have a doctor who does mouth and bones at the same time.

00:38:30.000 They have a neck and mouth doctor and they have a dentist.

00:38:36.000 They don't have the one who does both.

00:38:38.000 This is the doctor at that time or at that place.

00:38:42.000 Right.

00:38:42.000 So the surgery went wrong.

00:38:44.000 I had to go back to Brazil and had to do the surgery again.

00:38:47.000 Oh, no.

00:38:48.000 And I decided not to come back.

00:38:50.000 So this is how...

00:38:52.000 This is why this moment for me is very important.

00:38:55.000 I never thought that I had...

00:38:57.000 My dream was to play basketball.

00:38:58.000 That's what I was dedicating my life for.

00:39:02.000 And I never thought that I would have a second chance in America.

00:39:06.000 And this is...

00:39:07.000 And that's it.

00:39:08.000 That's my second chance, and I can't mess this up.

00:39:11.000 So, what made you come from Brazil to America for stand-up comedy?

00:39:16.000 Was it all the lawsuits?

00:39:17.000 It was a little bit of the lawsuits.

00:39:18.000 I'm not saying that it was not, but, my friend, it's like...

00:39:22.000 If you want to play basketball, you want to play at the NBA. If you want to play soccer, you want to go to Barcelona.

00:39:31.000 Stand-up is here, man.

00:39:32.000 That's the place that you gotta be.

00:39:34.000 And we never had a Brazilian stand-up comedian.

00:39:39.000 In here, just like Jade, the ones who were born here, but not the ones who actually was doing stand-up in Brazil and coming here.

00:39:46.000 I think it was important for me, for all my colleagues and all the comedians in Brazil as well, to start something here.

00:39:53.000 It has been a very good experience.

00:39:55.000 A little hard, but it has been a lot of fun as well.

00:40:00.000 Now, are you working over here?

00:40:01.000 Did you save up money and you're living off your money from Brazil? 0.95

00:40:03.000 I still have my comedy club there.

00:40:05.000 I got some money, yeah.

00:40:07.000 I lost some of the losses.

00:40:09.000 I kept some, Joe. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:40:11.000 But I'm saying you're not working here necessarily. 1.00

00:40:13.000 No, I'm just like going and doing stand-up.

00:40:16.000 I'm focusing on stand-up.

00:40:18.000 I have my agent and I have manager.

00:40:20.000 Everything is happening.

00:40:22.000 Last year I did JFL. I'm headlining some clubs right now because in those places they have like a huge Brazilian community.

00:40:31.000 Okay.

00:40:31.000 I'm doing in English, but I'm...

00:40:34.000 Throw a little Portuguese in there with them? 1.00

00:40:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:37.000 So that's new, man.

00:40:40.000 I did everything that I wanted to do in Brazil.

00:40:43.000 I did a talk show.

00:40:45.000 I did movies.

00:40:47.000 I did my own series.

00:40:48.000 I directed a movie, directed a series, and I thought I was like, I'm 42. It's time for me to try something new.

00:40:55.000 That's why I came here and I miss my son a lot.

00:40:58.000 That's the bad part, but that's okay.

00:41:00.000 Yeah, we were talking about that before.

00:41:03.000 That's a crazy situation you have.

00:41:05.000 It got me very emotional.

00:41:08.000 My kid's there, and last time that I was leaving, and he was like, if I'm the most important in your life, why are you searching for something so far away?

00:41:18.000 And I told him, this is very important for me, but it is selfish.

00:41:24.000 This is something that I wanted to do.

00:41:26.000 And for my career, it was important because I didn't...

00:41:30.000 I lost a lot in my country as well.

00:41:33.000 With the lawsuits and I lost TV shows, I lost a lot.

00:41:37.000 I lost money.

00:41:38.000 I thought it was a little dangerous for me to keep doing it over there.

00:41:40.000 And I got a death threat that made me a little...

00:41:44.000 And I didn't actually went public to talk about the death threat.

00:41:48.000 What was the death threat over there?

00:41:50.000 It was because one of my lawsuits, I cannot be that specific because it wasn't open.

00:41:57.000 So if I say exactly who it was, I'll be sued again.

00:42:01.000 Right.

00:42:02.000 Because, you know, yeah, I'll be sued again.

00:42:04.000 I'll be offending someone's owner because I, but I knew what happened and I felt, I didn't feel safe there for a little bit.

00:42:14.000 Hmm.

00:42:15.000 I'm not saying that I'll run away, but I thought...

00:42:18.000 It seems smart to come over here.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, and spend some time and build something and maybe be here.

00:42:25.000 It was hard for me that I could get hurt because of the nature of my job.

00:42:31.000 Now, when you're over here and you're trying to do stand-up, do you structure your act out?

00:42:37.000 Do you have, like...

00:42:39.000 How do you do it?

00:42:40.000 Do you write it out on paper, on a computer?

00:42:42.000 Do you put it up on a...

00:42:43.000 This thing over here.

00:42:44.000 Put it on your phone.

00:42:45.000 I write everything over here.

00:42:46.000 And then I keep rehearsing and I go on stage and I have to talk and I say it.

00:42:52.000 That's what I do.

00:42:53.000 I memorize everything that I'm going to say.

00:42:56.000 Not everything, but the...

00:42:58.000 It gets natural.

00:43:00.000 It's the way you do it.

00:43:01.000 I just memorize everything that I'm going to write because if I mess up a word or two, I can kill a joke and I want everything to work flawlessly.

00:43:10.000 So that's why I memorize.

00:43:12.000 It looks natural, but I memorize everything.

00:43:15.000 But it's very hard for me to interact with the audience.

00:43:18.000 Because every time that someone hackles me, all jokes come in Portuguese in my head.

00:43:25.000 And I have to translate.

00:43:26.000 Right, right, right.

00:43:27.000 Right at the time.

00:43:28.000 And I lose time.

00:43:29.000 It's very frustrating.

00:43:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:31.000 I can imagine.

00:43:32.000 And I even say this on stage. 1.00

00:43:33.000 Like, I was doing a show the other day, and this guy just screamed, you suck! 1.00

00:43:36.000 It was like a bad show. 1.00

00:43:37.000 It was a bar show.

00:43:38.000 And when I am stressed out, I just mess up words, and that always happens. 1.00

00:43:43.000 And he goes, I wanted to say, go fuck yourself. 1.00

00:43:45.000 And I said, gonna fuck myself. 1.00

00:43:49.000 Look at me, I'm like... 1.00

00:43:51.000 I'm gonna fuck yourself. 1.00

00:43:53.000 It's very hard to interact with yourself. 1.00

00:43:55.000 I lose timing, man.

00:43:56.000 It's difficult to do it in another language.

00:43:58.000 It's not my natural thing.

00:44:00.000 So everything is on your phone?

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 You don't write on a computer or notebooks?

00:44:03.000 Do you write on a computer?

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 Oh, you do?

00:44:05.000 Yeah.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, I write in a computer because I can write and it's easier to type.

00:44:11.000 First of all, it's bigger, right?

00:44:13.000 You're looking at a big 15-inch screen and I can type without looking at my fingers.

00:44:17.000 And so when I have ideas, I can get them out really quick and I don't have to say them.

00:44:21.000 I just look at it on the screen and then I'll write many versions of it and then I go over it and I smuck a little weed and then start editing and twisting it around.

00:44:31.000 Do you test the first version?

00:44:32.000 Do you test the first version?

00:44:33.000 What I basically do is I get it to a point where I know that I have something to talk about.

00:44:38.000 I know I have a framework.

00:44:39.000 And I know where there's some punchlines.

00:44:41.000 And then I write it out on paper.

00:44:42.000 So that when I write it out on paper, I can see it better in my head.

00:44:46.000 I remember it better.

00:44:47.000 Then I bring it to the stage.

00:44:49.000 But I don't have a rigid structure.

00:44:53.000 I'm loose with it because I want to be able to feel it in the moment, whether or not this is good. 0.99

00:44:58.000 So when I go on stage, say if I'm doing a joke about coffee, whatever, I'll go, you know, I drink too much fucking coffee. 0.97

00:45:08.000 I got a real problem. 0.99

00:45:09.000 And here's how I know I have a problem. 0.80

00:45:10.000 And then I'll go into it, and then I'll start talking about all the different areas, and then I'll listen to the recording, and I'll go, oh, that part sucks. 0.93

00:45:16.000 I got to fix this part, and this part's stupid, and this part is sloppy, but that part got to laugh. 0.94

00:45:21.000 Okay, but you know what? 0.90

00:45:22.000 It'd be even funnier if I said it clearer.

00:45:24.000 Like, maybe I need to say it this way.

00:45:26.000 Okay.

00:45:26.000 And then it's this constant process of writing, writing it out, going on stage, recording all sets, listening to the recording, and then writing again.

00:45:38.000 When you listen to those sets, do you keep the funny ones?

00:45:44.000 Or is there some time that you do like a funny joke but you don't like it?

00:45:48.000 Does that happen sometimes?

00:45:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:51.000 It feels cheap.

00:45:54.000 Cheap, cheap.

00:45:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:56.000 But it was funny.

00:45:57.000 Like, you gotta laugh, but it's not good.

00:46:00.000 Yeah.

00:46:00.000 That's sure.

00:46:01.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:46:01.000 You gotta be careful of that.

00:46:03.000 You don't want to be a hack. 1.00

00:46:05.000 A hack is someone who tells obvious stupid jokes that only make dumb people laugh. 1.00

00:46:12.000 Or someone who does tired, beaten down material. 1.00

00:46:17.000 Jokes that you know that other people have done already.

00:46:20.000 How would you know that?

00:46:22.000 You just would know based on your...

00:46:25.000 Okay, here's a perfect example.

00:46:26.000 It's Stephen Fry.

00:46:27.000 Do you know who Stephen Fry is?

00:46:28.000 Yes.

00:46:28.000 He's a famous comedian.

00:46:30.000 He used this recently.

00:46:31.000 He said something about, I would love to come back to life as a drug-sniffing dog.

00:46:38.000 Could you imagine being a drug-sniffing dog at the airport, just smelling everything?

00:46:43.000 Getting high. 1.00

00:46:44.000 He was saying about how that is such an obvious, stupid joke, and so many people have done that. 0.99

00:46:50.000 And that's a joke where... 0.99

00:46:53.000 Man, I bet probably hundreds of comedians have done a joke about that.

00:46:57.000 It's just like an obvious premise and, you know, like you were saying earlier that sometimes people would say jokes that you've said and you have a hard time explaining, that's my joke.

00:47:08.000 And to them it's just an anecdote or then it's just something funny that they heard.

00:47:12.000 Sometimes people go on stage and their act consists of really obvious premises that they have probably already heard someone cover before.

00:47:20.000 That's a hack.

00:47:21.000 Yeah, that's why it's difficult.

00:47:23.000 There's a huge challenge for me.

00:47:26.000 Because I have been doing it for 17 years, but in another country.

00:47:30.000 So you guys, there's a huge road that you guys already followed.

00:47:37.000 So if you hear something, wow, that's old.

00:47:40.000 Maybe for me, it's not.

00:47:42.000 And I don't want to be that guy.

00:47:44.000 And what I realize is that people don't point that out to you.

00:47:49.000 Well, you could ask people.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, if you're friends with comics, you could ask, and they'll tell you.

00:47:56.000 Yeah, that's why, like, the other day this guy was doing a joke, and I kind of thought about a...

00:48:02.000 Tagline?

00:48:04.000 A tagline, yeah.

00:48:05.000 And he got uncomfortable with me, like, telling him, oh, what about this?

00:48:09.000 And he was like, yeah...

00:48:11.000 It's difficult, man, to connect with comedians.

00:48:14.000 It's not that easy, because they all have huge problems.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:17.000 They all have it, man.

00:48:19.000 I was like in a group of guys.

00:48:20.000 One was like ex-drug addict and the other one was a drunk and they had like huge problems and I was like, I have friends?

00:48:29.000 I don't...

00:48:31.000 It was difficult, man.

00:48:33.000 You gotta be like, oh, you gotta deep and you gotta fucking go into the bottom to search for something good and I understand this process but at the same time, do I really have to go through all that to come with something great?

00:48:47.000 No, you don't.

00:48:48.000 Sometimes you just have good ideas.

00:48:49.000 Yeah.

00:48:50.000 Chris D'Elia actually has a bit about that.

00:48:52.000 I don't want to do his bit, but it's basically a bit about how good his childhood was and how close he is with his family and everybody thinks that you have to have a fucked up childhood to be a comedian.

00:49:01.000 To have a comedian, yeah? 0.70

00:49:02.000 Yeah, it's not true.

00:49:02.000 You just have to be funny.

00:49:03.000 People are funny for different reasons.

00:49:05.000 Some people are funny because they always enjoy stand-up.

00:49:07.000 I mean, if you grow up enjoying stand-up comedy and then become a stand-up comedian, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:49:13.000 You don't have to be a drug addict.

00:49:15.000 Do you?

00:49:15.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 And I'm not gonna be because I tried marijuana?

00:49:21.000 Yeah, marijuana.

00:49:23.000 Weed.

00:49:24.000 Once, two years ago, and I stayed hide for 14 days.

00:49:30.000 Swear to God, man.

00:49:31.000 Did you eat it?

00:49:32.000 14 days.

00:49:33.000 No, no, no.

00:49:33.000 You smoked it?

00:49:34.000 It was in a vaporizer, is that?

00:49:35.000 Yeah, vaporizer.

00:49:36.000 Vaporizer, yeah.

00:49:37.000 And I say hi for 14 days.

00:49:39.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:49:40.000 And I thought...

00:49:41.000 It doesn't, right?

00:49:42.000 It doesn't.

00:49:43.000 I wasn't hi, right?

00:49:44.000 I probably wasn't hi for the second day, right?

00:49:46.000 It doesn't seem like it.

00:49:47.000 But I thought I was, like, disconnected from reality.

00:49:50.000 Well, sometimes that does happen.

00:49:51.000 And I know a story about a guy who is a straight-laced guy who took some marijuana edibles so that he could get to sleep.

00:49:58.000 And he had a real problem.

00:50:00.000 Like, he got suicidal and freaked out and became just irrationally anxious.

00:50:07.000 He had crippling anxiety.

00:50:09.000 For some time?

00:50:10.000 For some time.

00:50:11.000 For weeks.

00:50:11.000 Wow.

00:50:12.000 And he's a confident guy.

00:50:14.000 And a very handsome, big, muscular guy, just like you would never imagine this guy having any anxiety.

00:50:20.000 I think some people have just, the chemistry of different individuals.

00:50:24.000 I wasn't born for that, and that's what the doctor told me.

00:50:27.000 Because I went to the psychiatrist.

00:50:29.000 Wow, you went to the psychiatrist?

00:50:30.000 After 12 days, I went to the psychiatrist.

00:50:32.000 I swear to God, I'm that weak.

00:50:34.000 I'm that weak?

00:50:35.000 I went to the psychiatrist, man, and I told him, no, I smoked that thing like 14 days ago and I still high.

00:50:42.000 And he looked at me and he gave me some, some psycho, he gave me some pills and I was like, oh, if you stay high until tomorrow, you take these pills.

00:50:54.000 Because what he told me is something that I didn't know, that it can be a trigger.

00:50:59.000 If you have some tendencies of schizophrenia, and a psychopath, which was not my case, and he's told, this is very rare, but it can happen, which is not your case, and I was happy because he said it.

00:51:13.000 And the next day I was okay, and I felt okay.

00:51:16.000 And I didn't take the pills, and I was crazy, man! 1.00

00:51:20.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:51:20.000 That is crazy. 1.00

00:51:21.000 And I remember that I decided to record.

00:51:23.000 I was like, okay, let me record what I'm thinking.

00:51:27.000 At least, let's get some good experience out of it.

00:51:30.000 And I remember that I started to record, and I said, now I'm going to record everything that I'm thinking.

00:51:35.000 And when I looked at the cell phone, it was 45 minutes.

00:51:38.000 45 minutes of talking.

00:51:39.000 And I didn't even realize.

00:51:41.000 I just said that.

00:51:42.000 I'm going to record now.

00:51:43.000 And there was 45 minutes.

00:51:44.000 And when I listened like 15 days after that, I was like, I'm so crazy.

00:51:49.000 I'm so crazy.

00:51:50.000 I'm so crazy. 0.79

00:51:51.000 I'm going to die.

00:51:52.000 I'm never going to understand why my son's talking.

00:51:55.000 What is my son talking to me right now?

00:51:57.000 Wow!

00:51:58.000 One hit of a vaporizer.

00:52:00.000 No, it was more than one.

00:52:02.000 A bunch of hits.

00:52:02.000 It was a bunch.

00:52:03.000 Oh, you're too tall.

00:52:05.000 You're big. 1.00

00:52:05.000 You're like 250 pounds, so fucking use it a lot. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Oh, so they were saying keep hitting it because you're tall. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Yeah, because I wasn't feeling it.

00:52:13.000 Oh, no.

00:52:14.000 But when I felt it, I felt for 14 days.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, that's one of the big problems with people when they first try is they try too much.

00:52:23.000 That's what happened.

00:52:24.000 Yeah, someone just says, take another hit.

00:52:25.000 That's what happened, man.

00:52:26.000 I tell people, if you're thinking about trying marijuana, go like that.

00:52:28.000 A little bit.

00:52:29.000 That's it.

00:52:30.000 Put it down.

00:52:30.000 I don't feel anything.

00:52:31.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:52:32.000 Leave it alone. 1.00

00:52:33.000 You'll eventually feel something.

00:52:34.000 Feel something, yeah.

00:52:35.000 Just leave it alone.

00:52:36.000 Wow, that's crazy, man.

00:52:37.000 There's so many people selling weeds and stuff.

00:52:41.000 It's not even cool anymore.

00:52:43.000 Weed's not cool anymore?

00:52:43.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:52:44.000 I don't know.

00:52:45.000 Yeah, it's like, people are so, when I do shows, there's a lot of people talking, oh, I smoke this and I smoke that.

00:52:50.000 It's like, man, it's legal now.

00:52:52.000 It's just like going to the DMV. It's not dangerous.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, I think it's good.

00:52:56.000 It has to be legal.

00:52:57.000 Well, it definitely should be.

00:52:58.000 It doesn't affect me that way.

00:53:00.000 For me, I've been smoking it a long time.

00:53:02.000 It's pretty easy.

00:53:04.000 It chills me out.

00:53:05.000 It actually makes me nicer.

00:53:08.000 It makes me a more calm person.

00:53:10.000 It does?

00:53:10.000 Yeah, it makes me more sensitive to other people's feelings.

00:53:12.000 Did you ever smoke because you felt that you were nervous or stressed out?

00:53:17.000 No!

00:53:18.000 I'm not going to perform well in this meeting or something and then you smoke it?

00:53:23.000 No, it doesn't work like that for me.

00:53:25.000 If I'm stressed out, I work out if I'm stressed out.

00:53:28.000 That's my best for alleviating that.

00:53:31.000 Marijuana is good for me for thinking.

00:53:33.000 For contemplating and going over things.

00:53:36.000 It's not good for me for stress.

00:53:39.000 If I feel tense, tension, I work out.

00:53:43.000 That's what gets it out of me.

00:53:44.000 I always wanted to ask you one thing.

00:53:48.000 It's a completely different subject.

00:53:50.000 Can I ask you anything, whatever you want?

00:53:53.000 When you're doing interviews at the end of fights, did you ever feel threatened somehow?

00:53:58.000 No.

00:53:58.000 At least once.

00:54:00.000 No, no, no.

00:54:01.000 One thing that I hope the fighters realize is that what I'm trying to do is only get them to express themselves.

00:54:10.000 I want them to shine.

00:54:11.000 I really genuinely want them.

00:54:13.000 They won this big fight.

00:54:14.000 I want them to express themselves.

00:54:16.000 I want them to maybe maximize their marketing, their marketability, and just tell the world how they feel.

00:54:23.000 That's an incredibly unusual experience to win a big fight in the cage on pay-per-view in front of millions of people.

00:54:31.000 My goal is only to try to get them to communicate the better and to let them know that I'm there to support them.

00:54:39.000 That's all I'm ever trying to do.

00:54:40.000 Perfect.

00:54:41.000 You know?

00:54:41.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 Like I was saying before we started talking, I have a lot of friends in MMA. Sweetest guys ever.

00:54:48.000 Nicest people.

00:54:49.000 Consider what they do for a living.

00:54:50.000 It's crazy.

00:54:51.000 It's so crazy.

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 Damian, Vanderlei, Ninja, Shogun.

00:54:56.000 How is Ninja doing these days?

00:54:58.000 Man, last time I talked to him...

00:55:01.000 He got some, I don't know if it was because of the fighting.

00:55:06.000 I cannot say that.

00:55:08.000 But his speech, it's a little slow.

00:55:11.000 It is already hard to understand.

00:55:13.000 Even Shogun, they have this, what they call the Juanes, which is the way of speaking.

00:55:19.000 They come from a state which is very hard to understand what they say.

00:55:23.000 They're from Korea.

00:55:23.000 With Curitiba, right?

00:55:24.000 Yeah, with Curitiba.

00:55:25.000 And people from Curitiba sometimes, when they speak too fast, you don't understand that much.

00:55:29.000 But a ninja, I think he got some injuries and got some scars in his head.

00:55:34.000 I think he got some surgeries.

00:55:36.000 Yeah, I think he had surgery in his head.

00:55:38.000 He was fine at the time people were kicking people in the head.

00:55:41.000 Oh, soccer kicking.

00:55:41.000 Soccer kicking, bro.

00:55:42.000 And he was one of the best.

00:55:44.000 He was good.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, he was an animal.

00:55:45.000 So good.

00:55:45.000 And he was really young, too.

00:55:47.000 And at the end, he was getting knocked out with slaps.

00:55:50.000 Yeah, that's the scariest thing is when you see their chin go.

00:55:54.000 When their ability to take apart...

00:55:55.000 What's crazy is Shogun seems to be making a resurgence.

00:55:58.000 It's crazy.

00:56:00.000 Amazing.

00:56:01.000 I used to be very good friends with one of his coaches.

00:56:06.000 And after the fight with Henderson, the first one, which was like a war.

00:56:10.000 Crazy fight.

00:56:11.000 Chaos.

00:56:12.000 That was a chaos.

00:56:12.000 And I was talking to him and he was like...

00:56:15.000 You don't even imagine how talented this guy is.

00:56:19.000 But he gotta focus. 1.00

00:56:22.000 If he was focused, he would kick his ass in like fucking two minutes. 1.00

00:56:26.000 So he just, that's the way they do it in the shooty box. 1.00

00:56:31.000 They like to fight. 0.99

00:56:33.000 They like to fucking just go at it. 0.99

00:56:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:35.000 Him and Cyborg and Vanderlei and even Anderson, the same thing. 0.99

00:56:41.000 But the way they do it, it's just like, let's go to war.

00:56:45.000 Yeah.

00:56:45.000 And sometimes the game changed.

00:56:48.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 But Shogun is like learning.

00:56:50.000 You can see that he's like improving, still improving.

00:56:53.000 I think it was like 36, 36. Well, his last fight, he looked sensational.

00:56:56.000 I mean, he looked like a fucking killer, too. 1.00

00:56:58.000 It's crazy, huh? 1.00

00:56:59.000 He can take a shot again now?

00:57:00.000 It's weird.

00:57:01.000 It's like, I mean, he got knocked out by a few different guys, and he's lost some fights, some tough fights, but his last fight, he looked as good as he's looked in years.

00:57:10.000 It's sad for me when I see, like, I don't know why. 0.98

00:57:14.000 It's always with Brazilians, but when I see, like, an old fighter getting his ass thick too quick. 1.00

00:57:20.000 I remember his fight with Sonnen. 0.99

00:57:22.000 That was...

00:57:24.000 Yeah, well, he got caught in a guillotine.

00:57:25.000 He got caught in a guillotine, but he's fast.

00:57:27.000 The guy trained for like six months, and that's very frustrating.

00:57:32.000 Remember when Royce went back to fight with Hughes, that was like, oh my god.

00:57:36.000 Well, Matt Hughes was in his prime then, you know, and he was so strong, and Hoyce just wasn't, he wasn't physically capable.

00:57:44.000 He couldn't do it, right?

00:57:44.000 He didn't look the same, you know, he just didn't look like he was physically capable.

00:57:50.000 The same way. 0.97

00:57:51.000 And, you know, Matt Hughes is fucking talented. 0.99

00:57:53.000 Unbelievably talented. 0.98

00:57:54.000 When he got on top of Hoist and he was smashing him, I was like, oh, it's hard to watch.

00:57:59.000 It's hard to watch.

00:58:00.000 Yeah.

00:58:00.000 But that's the life.

00:58:02.000 I mean, that is the life they chose.

00:58:04.000 You know, when Chuck Liddell just got knocked out by Tito Ortiz, that was hard to watch because you could tell he just can't take a punch anymore.

00:58:10.000 I was in that fight that went there to watch it.

00:58:12.000 It was bad.

00:58:13.000 It wasn't moving right either.

00:58:15.000 The thing about when fighters take a lot of knockout losses, one of the things that becomes apparent is their balance looks off and their movement doesn't look the same.

00:58:26.000 Like their neurology, their body doesn't move the same way.

00:58:30.000 It can look the same but doesn't react the same, right?

00:58:32.000 Right.

00:58:33.000 I mean, even Anderson, when he lost to Stylebender, I think Stylebender would have been a tough fight for him at any point in his career, because Stylebender is just fantastic, super technical.

00:58:44.000 But Anderson looked like he was a step behind the Anderson of old.

00:58:48.000 Like the Anderson that knocked out Vitor.

00:58:51.000 The Anderson that, you know, you go back to the early days.

00:58:54.000 The Anderson that knocked out Chael Sonnen. 1.00

00:58:56.000 I mean, that Anderson was a fucking... 1.00

00:58:58.000 He was just... 1.00

00:58:59.000 An assassin.

00:59:00.000 He was so good.

00:59:01.000 He just knew what to do and when to do it.

00:59:03.000 And when the Stylebender fight, he just looked like he was a little off.

00:59:06.000 A little off, yeah.

00:59:07.000 But he's also 46, I think?

00:59:08.000 I think he's one year older than he is.

00:59:12.000 43. He's only 43?

00:59:13.000 Yeah.

00:59:13.000 We did a show together.

00:59:15.000 We do a show, this show on Atlas, called Ultimate Beastmaster.

00:59:21.000 Brazilian Netflix?

00:59:22.000 No, it's here as well.

00:59:24.000 Terry Crews did an American.

00:59:26.000 We do all hosts from different countries.

00:59:30.000 And it's like American Ninja Warrior for Netflix.

00:59:34.000 And we have hosts from different countries.

00:59:37.000 And we have the Brazilians and the Italians and the French guys.

00:59:42.000 And I did this show with Anderson.

00:59:44.000 He's a sweet guy.

00:59:45.000 He's a great guy.

00:59:47.000 I mean, he's one of the all-time greats.

00:59:49.000 I mean, I had the honor of calling a lot of his fights.

00:59:52.000 And it's crazy because, yeah, and it's crazy when you're talking about the guys getting older.

00:59:57.000 I remember I talked with Minotauro.

00:59:59.000 He was like three or four.

01:00:01.000 It was like two fights after he actually retired, and I asked him, why do you keep doing it?

01:00:07.000 You don't have to.

01:00:09.000 You don't have to prove anything to no one.

01:00:11.000 And what he said to me I think was so fair.

01:00:14.000 He was like, I fought when this thing wasn't giving me any money.

01:00:19.000 So just give, let me lose a fight or two.

01:00:22.000 And get some money at the end of my career because I deserve that.

01:00:26.000 He wasn't like, of course he was going there to win, but it's like, I want to take the risk.

01:00:32.000 Because I was fighting in Japan getting, I don't know, $5,000.

01:00:37.000 And now that the game is like bringing you so much money, I'm going to retire.

01:00:42.000 Let me just do a couple more.

01:00:44.000 Well, Minotauro, not only was he a pioneer and one of the great MMA heavyweights of all time, but he's so important for MMA because he showed that heavyweights can fight off their back and that heavyweights can win by triangle.

01:00:58.000 Like when he triangled Mark Coleman and was tapping guys with arm bars when he beat Bob Sapp.

01:01:03.000 They had that one. 0.99

01:01:03.000 The Bob Sapp one is fucking crazy. 0.99

01:01:05.000 That is one of the greatest MMA fights in the history of the sport. 0.99

01:01:09.000 375 pound Bob Sapp.

01:01:11.000 Minotaur only probably weighed 230, and he wound up tapping him with an armbar. 0.99

01:01:15.000 It was fucking crazy. 0.99

01:01:16.000 And after he gets spiked on his head, which still apparently fucks with him to this day. 1.00

01:01:21.000 His neck was fucked up permanently. 0.99

01:01:22.000 Because of that? 0.99

01:01:23.000 Yes.

01:01:23.000 I didn't know that.

01:01:25.000 375 pound guy who doesn't even look like a human.

01:01:28.000 He looked like a comic book hero. 0.90

01:01:30.000 And he smashes him on his head.

01:01:32.000 And Minotaur recovered.

01:01:33.000 I mean, he was one of the toughest guys of all time.

01:01:37.000 He was run by a truck when he was a little kid.

01:01:39.000 That's that scar on the side.

01:01:41.000 He was run by a truck.

01:01:42.000 Crazy, yeah.

01:01:43.000 That's crazy.

01:01:44.000 I mean, he's one of the most important figures in the history of the sport.

01:01:48.000 And then I think Fabrizio took it to another level.

01:01:51.000 Because Fabrizio Verdum probably has the best guard in the history of the sport.

01:01:56.000 It's the history of the heavyweight division.

01:01:58.000 I mean, when he caught Fedor, when he had him in his triangle and he had him locked up like that, you don't get away with that guy.

01:02:03.000 You might get out of some people's guard.

01:02:06.000 Not Fabrizio. 1.00

01:02:07.000 That motherfucker locks people up. 1.00

01:02:09.000 And I gotta thank him. 1.00

01:02:10.000 I'm here just because of him.

01:02:11.000 He helped me with that.

01:02:12.000 Well, my respect for him.

01:02:14.000 You know, when he reached out to me, he was like, okay, I'll get your friend on.

01:02:17.000 100%.

01:02:18.000 Thank you, brother.

01:02:19.000 And he is a great guy.

01:02:21.000 And that's why I asked you if...

01:02:24.000 If you kind of feel threatened because when people get, they're in a fight.

01:02:28.000 You don't know what's going to happen.

01:02:30.000 And when you go over there to talk with one, you can say a wrong thing at the wrong, I don't know.

01:02:36.000 You can make mistakes for sure.

01:02:38.000 You can make mistakes.

01:02:38.000 But my intention is always to just to make them look good.

01:02:41.000 That's all I'm trying to do.

01:02:43.000 All I'm trying to do is just get them to express themselves and also put some emotion to how great their performance was.

01:02:50.000 Perfect, perfect.

01:02:51.000 Yeah.

01:02:51.000 But it's a weird job, you know, to also be a comedian.

01:02:54.000 It's a strange combination of things.

01:02:58.000 Do they go watch you sometimes?

01:03:00.000 Sometimes, yeah.

01:03:01.000 That's good, man.

01:03:02.000 That's very good.

01:03:03.000 And for me, now it's like, I'm here to try this comedy thing, man.

01:03:09.000 And so you're getting up in Los Angeles and are you traveling anywhere?

01:03:12.000 Yeah, I have a gig on Rhode Island.

01:03:15.000 Rhode Island?

01:03:16.000 Okay, a lot of Portuguese people in Rhode Island.

01:03:18.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 I have a gig there.

01:03:21.000 I did the Gotham Comedy Club two weeks ago.

01:03:26.000 I headlined the club.

01:03:27.000 Do you get a lot of Brazilians that come to see you?

01:03:30.000 Do they want you to speak Portuguese?

01:03:32.000 They do, and some of them don't speak English.

01:03:35.000 Really?

01:03:36.000 There's always two or three at the end of the show.

01:03:38.000 I thought it was in Portuguese, but it was so good to see you.

01:03:42.000 But I didn't understand anything you said.

01:03:46.000 So that happened, but it's hard maybe because I have to build an audience here.

01:03:53.000 And it's going to take some time.

01:03:56.000 Do you do a podcast?

01:03:57.000 I don't.

01:03:58.000 You should?

01:03:58.000 I should.

01:03:59.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:04:00.000 I know.

01:04:00.000 I think every comedian, like every comedian, has an Instagram page.

01:04:05.000 Every comedian also should have a podcast.

01:04:07.000 It's very simple to do.

01:04:08.000 It's not something that we do that much in Brazil.

01:04:11.000 Maybe you could be the pioneer of that, too.

01:04:13.000 The pioneer on podcasts.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, I mean, you're already the pioneer for stand-up.

01:04:16.000 YouTube is something huge in Brazil.

01:04:18.000 Well, that's a great way to start.

01:04:20.000 Because all you need is a webcam and you can start your podcast just on YouTube.

01:04:24.000 Just on YouTube.

01:04:25.000 Easy to do.

01:04:27.000 My channel on YouTube got like 2 million subscribers.

01:04:30.000 Really?

01:04:31.000 On Twitter, I have 12 million people following me. 1.00

01:04:35.000 Damn! 0.99

01:04:35.000 It's a lot, man. 0.99

01:04:36.000 That's a lot.

01:04:37.000 12 million people following me.

01:04:39.000 My Brazilian Instagram, I got like 1.5 million people.

01:04:42.000 People are very active in social media in Brazil.

01:04:46.000 That's good.

01:04:46.000 It's something that is from our nature to connect with people.

01:04:51.000 In Brazil.

01:04:52.000 So that's why social media got huge.

01:04:54.000 And it was like an alternative for the traditional media.

01:04:59.000 What is this?

01:05:00.000 The most influential person on Twitter. 1.00

01:05:02.000 Look at you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:05:05.000 I got a story on the New York Times. 1.00

01:05:07.000 That's crazy.

01:05:08.000 New York Times Magazine saying you're the most influential person on Twitter.

01:05:12.000 That's incredible.

01:05:13.000 Now, why are they saying you're the most influential?

01:05:16.000 What were you doing that was influencing people?

01:05:19.000 I have no idea.

01:05:22.000 I was surprised.

01:05:23.000 One day I woke up and there was a story on the New York Times saying that I was the most influential profile on Twitter and in second place, the Dalai Lama.

01:05:33.000 What?

01:05:33.000 Take this one, Dalai Lama!

01:05:36.000 Obama in third!

01:05:37.000 Who are you, Obama?

01:05:39.000 I was the first one.

01:05:40.000 So they did like a huge story about me.

01:05:42.000 Wow.

01:05:43.000 That's incredible.

01:05:44.000 It was, man.

01:05:45.000 Twitter was something huge in Brazil.

01:05:47.000 What is the difference between the way people use Twitter in Brazil and in America?

01:05:50.000 Is there a difference?

01:05:51.000 No.

01:05:52.000 For me, I just use Twitter for jokes.

01:05:55.000 That's what I did for quite some time.

01:05:57.000 It was...

01:05:59.000 Twitter lost a lot of his strength in Brazil because people like to connect in Brazil.

01:06:06.000 So Facebook is huge and Instagram is huge.

01:06:09.000 So you have your family over there.

01:06:11.000 You have everything.

01:06:14.000 You have your people.

01:06:16.000 But if you're talking...

01:06:20.000 Twitter feels like you're screaming and someone is going to listen.

01:06:23.000 It's not like on Facebook that people follow you and then if he likes you, your post is going to be like in the top of his page.

01:06:33.000 Twitter is just something that is there.

01:06:35.000 So it lost a lot of power in Brazil.

01:06:37.000 But one thing that is happening right now is our new president.

01:06:41.000 And we have a new president now that is a right-wing guy.

01:06:44.000 He was just elected and he got stabbed.

01:06:47.000 It was like...

01:06:48.000 When did he get stabbed?

01:06:49.000 It was like two months ago.

01:06:50.000 Really?

01:06:50.000 During the process of the election.

01:06:52.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:06:52.000 He got stabbed in the gut. 1.00

01:06:54.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:06:56.000 Did you see that?

01:06:57.000 That was crazy.

01:06:57.000 I didn't hear about that.

01:06:58.000 And he won the election.

01:07:01.000 And he's trying to do with Twitter what Trump did.

01:07:05.000 He's doing it here.

01:07:07.000 Instead of going to press conferences and everything, he just goes on Twitter and says what he wants.

01:07:13.000 Wow.

01:07:14.000 Yeah, Twitter is unique in the way people just use it to insult people.

01:07:18.000 Insult people.

01:07:20.000 It's so angry.

01:07:21.000 Like, if you just only...

01:07:23.000 If you didn't know anything about people, and you just looked on Twitter, and you just, like, saw how...

01:07:29.000 You're like, well, people must be fighting in the streets.

01:07:31.000 There must be just a bloodbath out there.

01:07:33.000 If you really thought that people interacted in the real world the way they do on Twitter, you would think that everywhere is just weapons and clubs...

01:07:40.000 Of course!

01:07:40.000 ...running people over with cars...

01:07:43.000 Wishing everyone dies.

01:07:44.000 But I think, man, there's a difference, and I think we have to acknowledge that.

01:07:48.000 There's a difference between your behavior on the web and outside of the web.

01:07:52.000 For sure.

01:07:53.000 And sometimes you don't realize that.

01:07:55.000 Yeah.

01:07:55.000 Oh, the world is boring, everybody is sensitive and everything else.

01:07:58.000 If you go outside, it's not that much.

01:08:01.000 It's the same.

01:08:02.000 It was always.

01:08:03.000 It's a distorted lens that you could see humans through.

01:08:07.000 It's not how people really are.

01:08:08.000 And it's also, it's not a healthy way to communicate because you don't worry about what the person thinks about what you're saying.

01:08:14.000 You're saying things that you don't necessarily even really mean because you're trying to be inflammatory.

01:08:21.000 To get some attention.

01:08:23.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of it.

01:08:24.000 A lot of it is just screaming.

01:08:26.000 Screaming for attention and insulting people.

01:08:28.000 And then you look at people's pages.

01:08:30.000 That's the most disturbing thing to me.

01:08:32.000 When someone says something shitty to me, I'll go to their page and I see they're just saying shitty things all day long. 0.89

01:08:37.000 Like, what kind of life is this, man? 1.00

01:08:39.000 It's a fucking terrible life. 0.99

01:08:41.000 What I'm doing right now, I have this series that I do on Instagram where I just, I get like the guy cursing me or saying some shit about me. 1.00

01:08:49.000 And I just show his face. 0.83

01:08:51.000 And it's enough and it's funny.

01:08:53.000 Because it's funny to see who hates me.

01:08:58.000 And I call this the people who hate me.

01:09:01.000 And then I put what he wrote and then only his face.

01:09:04.000 His thumbnail.

01:09:05.000 It's enough for you to see.

01:09:08.000 You don't have to take things too serious because if you take a look of their lives, you can see why they are so mad.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

01:09:17.000 Most of them have private accounts.

01:09:20.000 You can't look at their pictures.

01:09:21.000 They're hiding.

01:09:22.000 They're hiding who they are. 1.00

01:09:24.000 They just talk shit in the comments. 1.00

01:09:25.000 That should end, bro. 1.00

01:09:26.000 Yeah, it's weak shit. 1.00

01:09:27.000 Fuck, just end that shit. 1.00

01:09:29.000 It's so weak. 1.00

01:09:30.000 You're giving people a chance to throw blind shots.

01:09:33.000 Of course, man.

01:09:34.000 That's crazy.

01:09:35.000 I think that being anonymous on the web is a good thing because it allows you to be free at the same time.

01:09:41.000 Yeah.

01:09:42.000 It's good for whistleblowers, for people reporting crimes, reporting corruption.

01:09:47.000 Of course.

01:09:47.000 For that, it's critical.

01:09:50.000 That is a way to do it and don't expose yourself.

01:09:54.000 But at the same time, it creates that.

01:09:56.000 But it's the sign of the new era, bro.

01:09:58.000 Yeah, it's just a new thing that we all have to navigate.

01:10:01.000 It's just a new thing.

01:10:02.000 And it's like we were talking about earlier with social media being so recent in human history.

01:10:07.000 There's never been anything where you could just talk to the whole world and do it from your phone while you're sitting at a red light.

01:10:13.000 You could say something.

01:10:14.000 There's a story about this woman. 0.99

01:10:16.000 What was her name?

01:10:16.000 Justine Sacco?

01:10:17.000 Was that the woman's name?

01:10:19.000 Who said something racist and went to a plane?

01:10:21.000 Yes!

01:10:22.000 I saw that.

01:10:22.000 She said, I'm going to Africa.

01:10:25.000 Hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding. 0.93

01:10:27.000 I'm white.

01:10:28.000 LOL. So she was fucked up on Ambien or Xanax or Ambien. 1.00

01:10:33.000 I forget what it was. 0.98

01:10:34.000 She was on some sort of psych medication and something that affects your brain and drank too.

01:10:42.000 She had a couple of drinks.

01:10:43.000 Just thought she was being funny.

01:10:45.000 And then wakes up 16 hours later in Africa and her life is over. 0.96

01:10:49.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:10:50.000 Fucking crazy! 1.00

01:10:51.000 And it was just one of those days where there was like a slow news cycle and people just jumped on that tweet. 0.99

01:10:58.000 And the thing about it too is that they don't want you to recover from something like that.

01:11:04.000 That's you for the rest of your life.

01:11:05.000 That's what I felt.

01:11:06.000 That's what I felt. 1.00

01:11:07.000 I'm the baby fucker. 1.00

01:11:09.000 I am. 1.00

01:11:11.000 So everything that I say right now is like, wasn't you like fucking babies? 1.00

01:11:16.000 I never fucked a baby. 1.00

01:11:17.000 Never. 1.00

01:11:18.000 I don't think they're attractive.

01:11:20.000 I don't feel attracted at all.

01:11:23.000 Do you foresee a time ever where you will go back to Brazil?

01:11:26.000 No, I do.

01:11:27.000 I do go back to Brazil.

01:11:28.000 But I mean, go back to do stand-up and live again.

01:11:31.000 I... I don't see that, man.

01:11:35.000 The challenges here and the freedom that I think I have here and maybe I don't.

01:11:40.000 Maybe I will face this whole thing.

01:11:43.000 The same thing when I get famous or when I get...

01:11:46.000 No, no, you won't.

01:11:47.000 It's way easier here.

01:11:49.000 From what you're explaining to me...

01:11:51.000 But look at Louis or...

01:11:53.000 Louis is a different case because it's not what he said on stage.

01:11:56.000 Yes, yes.

01:11:57.000 You know, I mean, he got caught up in the wave of the Me Too movement, too.

01:12:03.000 Whereas if this same exact instance happened in the past...

01:12:06.000 Yeah, it's not the same thing.

01:12:07.000 Yeah, it was a bad comparison.

01:12:08.000 But I got like, Daniel Tosh did a rape joke, and he was...

01:12:12.000 But that was over in like that.

01:12:15.000 And do you know what happened there with the joke?

01:12:18.000 No, he was improvising with the audience or something.

01:12:20.000 He was improvising with the audience.

01:12:22.000 Here's the deal.

01:12:24.000 He was at the Laugh Factory.

01:12:25.000 He wasn't supposed to be there.

01:12:26.000 Dom Herrera, who is his friend, said, hey, why don't you go up and do some stand-up?

01:12:30.000 He goes, I don't have any material. 0.99

01:12:31.000 Just go up and fuck around. 1.00

01:12:33.000 They'll be happy to see you. 1.00

01:12:34.000 He goes, okay.

01:12:35.000 So he goes on stage.

01:12:36.000 He goes, I don't have any material.

01:12:37.000 So what do you guys want to talk about? 0.73

01:12:39.000 Some guy yells out, rape! 0.66

01:12:41.000 And he goes, what's funny about rape?

01:12:43.000 He's like, what's funny about rape?

01:12:47.000 He goes like, what's funny about rape?

01:12:50.000 The humiliation, the violence, and some woman yells out, actually, there's nothing funny about rape. 0.99

01:12:55.000 So he goes, wouldn't it be funny if five guys just raped her? 0.98

01:12:58.000 So he's just being Daniel Tosh.

01:13:01.000 So it probably would have been just one of those moments in a live crowd filled with drunk people, but she wrote a blog about it where she was the victim.

01:13:10.000 She wrote this huge blog about him calling for her to get raped, which is not exactly what he did.

01:13:15.000 It's in the context of being heckled, you understand what it is.

01:13:20.000 And he kind of had to have some sort of an apology for it, but then all these other people jumped in, and then it became a moment where people could show that they don't support rape, or they don't support what we call rape culture.

01:13:32.000 They use you as a platform.

01:13:33.000 Yes, yes.

01:13:34.000 That's what happened.

01:13:35.000 And that's what happened with me as well.

01:13:38.000 People don't analyze context anymore.

01:13:40.000 Exactly.

01:13:41.000 And we are very, we are available.

01:13:45.000 We as comedians, we are talking, we are ourselves, we are not playing a character.

01:13:49.000 So if I take your jokes, Joe, out of context from your special Netflix, I can get some clicks if I want.

01:13:57.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:13:58.000 If I want.

01:13:59.000 But I think people are getting tired of it and now they understand the process.

01:14:03.000 Yes.

01:14:03.000 But what I felt was the beginning of that.

01:14:06.000 Especially in your country, where you don't have a long history of stand-up.

01:14:10.000 Yeah.

01:14:10.000 So that's why I lost money, and that's why I lost a lot of money.

01:14:16.000 You're the motherfucking Lenny Bruce of Brazil. 0.99

01:14:17.000 Yeah, man! 1.00

01:14:18.000 I don't...

01:14:20.000 You know what?

01:14:21.000 Someone will give me that credit in the future, but now...

01:14:25.000 Now you want to be Rafi in America. 0.95

01:14:28.000 No, not only that, but that's why what people said to me and what I felt was that I was, a lot of people said I was using this freedom of speech argument To offend people.

01:14:42.000 Right.

01:14:42.000 You hear that in America too.

01:14:44.000 Which was not the case, but that is a matter of freedom of speech.

01:14:48.000 Yeah.

01:14:48.000 Because we had a law in Brazil a long time ago where people are like trying to regulate comments on the web.

01:15:01.000 Oh, if I feel offended, I can ask someone to delete that.

01:15:05.000 So the government was trying to regulate that.

01:15:08.000 And the law was approved.

01:15:11.000 So, like, after, it wasn't approved, but the law was, like, changing after the voting, but when it becomes, at the end, the government was, like, when it was getting the time of the voting, the government was like, okay, what about if I take some tweets as well that offend me?

01:15:27.000 So, the government tried to get into the way of things.

01:15:30.000 So, it is a matter of freedom of speech.

01:15:32.000 When this is going to end, it becomes with the joke of, But maybe it can end with the government shutting you up.

01:15:40.000 Yes.

01:15:40.000 I have a friend in Venezuela, a comedian friend.

01:15:45.000 His name is Nacho.

01:15:46.000 He was kicked out of the country because of some jokes he did.

01:15:50.000 Whoa.

01:15:50.000 He can't go back.

01:15:51.000 He's living in Miami right now. 0.96

01:15:53.000 Because if he goes back to Venezuela right now, the government is going to put him in jail or maybe kill him. 0.85

01:15:59.000 I don't know. 0.98

01:16:00.000 Wow.

01:16:00.000 What was his jokes about?

01:16:01.000 Yeah, I don't know what his joke was about, but he was making fun of the government.

01:16:05.000 But then, like, one year after that, he makes some jokes about people with Down syndrome, and then the government felt that he has to go to jail because of the Down syndrome joke.

01:16:17.000 They were using that thing to take him out of the streets.

01:16:22.000 So, it's dangerous out there, man.

01:16:24.000 It's not that easy to do comedy outside of America.

01:16:26.000 You build that freedom.

01:16:28.000 Yeah, you hear about it all the time.

01:16:30.000 People in other countries that say jokes and they get in trouble.

01:16:35.000 There was something in Thailand.

01:16:37.000 Someone made a joke about the king and they locked him in jail.

01:16:42.000 There's a lot of countries where it's very dangerous.

01:16:45.000 Very dangerous to speak out against the government.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, we're really, really fortunate here.

01:16:50.000 So, like, for you, when you see Americans complaining about freedom of speech over here and not being able to say whatever you want, it's kind of a joke, right?

01:16:59.000 It is, man.

01:16:59.000 It is.

01:17:00.000 That's exactly what I feel. 1.00

01:17:01.000 It's just like, if you want to be an asshole, just deal with the consequences. 1.00

01:17:04.000 That's all. 1.00

01:17:05.000 That's all.

01:17:07.000 That's what I feel. 1.00

01:17:07.000 I'm an asshole. 1.00

01:17:08.000 But when someone stopped me on the street and said, you're a piece of shit, I was like, yeah, you're fucking right, but that's okay. 1.00

01:17:13.000 Let's end there. 1.00

01:17:14.000 I am a piece of shit. 1.00

01:17:16.000 And that's where it has to end, you know? 1.00

01:17:18.000 Don't take it personal.

01:17:21.000 That's what I feel that is...

01:17:24.000 It's difficult to do comedy out there.

01:17:27.000 And here you have this freedom of doing it.

01:17:30.000 And I think it's beautiful.

01:17:32.000 It's beautiful.

01:17:33.000 It's something that you guys built.

01:17:34.000 Do you think that it's going to change in Brazil?

01:17:36.000 And then maybe the stand-up comedy could actually...

01:17:40.000 See, because one of the things that happened in America is that Lenny Bruce...

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 Yeah.

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:18:04.000 If your opinion is different than mine, you say something, I'm like, well, I don't agree with that.

01:18:08.000 I think this.

01:18:09.000 But if you say something and you make me laugh, even if I don't agree with it, it sneaks in my head.

01:18:15.000 Like, you have a point.

01:18:17.000 If your point is so good that it makes me laugh, even if I don't agree with it, like, goddammit, he got me.

01:18:23.000 He got in there.

01:18:23.000 So you can propagate ideas inside someone's consciousness.

01:18:28.000 You can sneak them in.

01:18:29.000 We have a few people doing it in Brazil.

01:18:33.000 I used to have this TV show called CQC, and we used to do comedy in Congress.

01:18:38.000 We used to go and interview congressmen and make fun of them.

01:18:42.000 And we got kicked out of the Congress.

01:18:44.000 And then people brought us back to the Congress.

01:18:48.000 But it all reaches a point when it's about money.

01:18:54.000 And if someone is not willing to put money in your product, you don't do it.

01:18:59.000 And money is connected to politics and politics and brands.

01:19:05.000 For you to have a TV station in Brazil, you need authorization by the government.

01:19:10.000 So you're not that completely free to do what you want to do.

01:19:15.000 But you have some people doing it and comedy is getting big.

01:19:20.000 Stand-up is getting huge in Brazil.

01:19:22.000 It's connected to YouTube.

01:19:24.000 I have a lot of big comedians doing like huge theaters.

01:19:28.000 I used to do like 5,000 theaters in Brazil.

01:19:30.000 So it's becoming an option.

01:19:34.000 Wow, 5,000 seat theaters.

01:19:36.000 Wow.

01:19:37.000 You do it, man.

01:19:38.000 You do it here.

01:19:39.000 It's 5,000 seats.

01:19:40.000 Yeah, I do it all the time.

01:19:42.000 Wow!

01:19:43.000 You do like 10,000 seats.

01:19:44.000 But what I'm saying is it's crazy that you started out doing like a sadomasochist club.

01:19:49.000 Yes.

01:19:49.000 And then you go to a 5,000 seat theater.

01:19:51.000 That's pretty amazing.

01:19:52.000 That's what I built with some friends and I feel that I'm proud of that.

01:19:57.000 To open this discussion and this chance, because I have a lot of people doing it right now, getting money out of it.

01:20:05.000 My comedy club, we pay well comedians every time they go on stage.

01:20:10.000 It's not like here they get like 10 bucks sometimes.

01:20:13.000 But it's okay.

01:20:14.000 We consider that as a business over there, and that's serious, and this is awesome.

01:20:21.000 That's fantastic.

01:20:22.000 It's so cool that you started that.

01:20:23.000 I mean, that's got to be really a good feeling to know that all these people that are doing it now that are professional comedians, you took the first steps.

01:20:31.000 Yeah, I feel proud, man.

01:20:33.000 There was a lot of people that...

01:20:34.000 I probably have all of them watching this right now.

01:20:37.000 I don't know of anyone who has ever done it in one language and then made it over in America afterwards.

01:20:44.000 I'm trying to think.

01:20:46.000 I can't think of any.

01:20:47.000 I don't think anybody...

01:20:48.000 Not in English.

01:20:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:50.000 I can't think of anybody that started out in another country and then made it in America.

01:20:55.000 What is the name of the Russian guy?

01:20:57.000 They're still doing the Comedy Store.

01:20:59.000 They used to say...

01:21:01.000 Yakov Smirnov.

01:21:01.000 Yeah.

01:21:02.000 Yeah, great guy.

01:21:03.000 I think he's Russian.

01:21:05.000 Yes, he's Russian, but I think he's been over here most of his life.

01:21:08.000 Oh, okay.

01:21:09.000 I don't think he started in Russia.

01:21:11.000 I think his whole idea...

01:21:12.000 In Russia, they say...

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 His whole thing, yeah.

01:21:15.000 Oh, so he was doing like a character?

01:21:16.000 No, no, no.

01:21:17.000 He speaks...

01:21:17.000 I mean, he definitely speaks Russian.

01:21:19.000 Okay.

01:21:19.000 And he definitely is from Russia.

01:21:22.000 But he definitely plays it up, too.

01:21:24.000 And he's been over here forever.

01:21:26.000 He has his own theater in...

01:21:29.000 What is that place where those old folks live? 1.00

01:21:31.000 Branson.

01:21:32.000 Branson, Missouri.

01:21:33.000 Yeah, it's like one of those weird, super religious places. 0.98

01:21:37.000 Oh, yeah?

01:21:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:38.000 It's a strange area.

01:21:41.000 It's a very strange...

01:21:43.000 You talk to people about it in Branson, Missouri, and people go...

01:21:48.000 It's not a place where Dave Chappelle goes to play.

01:21:50.000 Do you go to those places?

01:21:52.000 No, I do not.

01:21:53.000 No, I do not.

01:21:54.000 There's only so many places I go.

01:21:56.000 I don't have any time to...

01:21:57.000 I don't want to...

01:21:58.000 I'm not trying to run uphill.

01:22:00.000 No.

01:22:01.000 If you don't get it, that's alright.

01:22:03.000 I'll go to Chicago.

01:22:04.000 Okay.

01:22:05.000 I'll go somewhere where people get it.

01:22:06.000 You don't have to, yeah.

01:22:07.000 Yeah, it's just...

01:22:08.000 I don't have time.

01:22:09.000 All I concentrate on now, I mean, the ground's already been broken, right?

01:22:14.000 I'm not breaking any new ground.

01:22:15.000 All I'm trying to do is write good stuff, write good material, do good work, and I'm just trying to make people happy.

01:22:21.000 I'm just trying to make them laugh.

01:22:22.000 That's all I'm trying to do.

01:22:22.000 I just try to, when they go and they get a babysitter and they come to a comedy club, I want to do my best.

01:22:28.000 That's all I want to do.

01:22:29.000 So that's all I think about.

01:22:31.000 Do you still get a lot of movie offers?

01:22:35.000 Yeah, I get offers for stuff, but I don't act.

01:22:37.000 I don't do it anymore.

01:22:39.000 I tried it a little bit.

01:22:40.000 It's just not my thing.

01:22:41.000 It just takes time.

01:22:43.000 It's not necessary.

01:22:44.000 And all my friends that do it, my friend Brian just called me from a movie set the other day.

01:22:48.000 He goes, you're so right. 1.00

01:22:49.000 Fuck this. 1.00

01:22:50.000 He goes, I'm sitting in my trailer for 16 hours. 1.00

01:22:52.000 He's like, I fucking hate this shit. 1.00

01:22:54.000 I don't want to do this. 1.00

01:22:55.000 I just got another offer for another movie that's not that good, and I don't want to do that either. 0.99

01:22:58.000 Oh, fuck. 0.99

01:22:59.000 You know, you could do a movie and put so much effort and time into it and no one will see it. 1.00

01:23:04.000 Like, maybe it'll be opposite some fucking big Avengers movie and nobody goes to see your movie and it's out of the movie theater in a week. 0.67

01:23:10.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:23:10.000 And you're like, shit. 1.00

01:23:11.000 Fuck, I spent so much time doing that shit. 1.00

01:23:13.000 And no one cares. 1.00

01:23:14.000 No one cares.

01:23:14.000 The thing about movies, too, that's interesting is there's so many of them.

01:23:18.000 It's not like you're ever going to see all the movies.

01:23:20.000 There's so many movies, and every week there's new movies.

01:23:23.000 If you really stop and think about how fucking insane that is, there must be thousands and thousands and thousands of movies.

01:23:30.000 You can't possibly see them all. 0.79

01:23:32.000 If you just want to be entertained, you could see movies to the end of time. 0.99

01:23:36.000 You could just sit in front of your fucking Netflix until your eyes fall out of your head watching movies. 1.00

01:23:41.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:23:41.000 There's almost no need to make more movies. 1.00

01:23:43.000 We're good.

01:23:43.000 And it's crazy because movies are getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger because they have to bring you something that takes you out of your house.

01:23:54.000 People don't go to the movie to watch Adam Sandler anymore. 0.99

01:23:57.000 They want a fucking superhero kicking your face and coming in your neck. 1.00

01:24:01.000 That's what they want. 1.00

01:24:02.000 They want fucking huge stuff. 0.98

01:24:04.000 Yeah, there's that, but then people do need comedies, like Kevin Hart movies, they still sell really well. 0.99

01:24:10.000 People still want to see something funny.

01:24:13.000 People still need...

01:24:14.000 It's one of the things about stand-up and one of the things about funny movies, too, is that people need a break from the grind of life.

01:24:21.000 Life is a horrible grind. 0.99

01:24:23.000 It's fucking hard, man. 1.00

01:24:25.000 It's hard to pay your bills and get up every morning to a job you don't want to get up to and maybe you're not even into being married anymore and you gotta fucking trudge through that because maybe you have children and you decide that it's better to stay for your children and you're fucking living in hell and your neighbor's a cunt and the dog won't stop barking and then you just need something. 1.00

01:24:45.000 Give me something. 1.00

01:24:46.000 Give me something funny.

01:24:47.000 My friend, that's why I'm so optimistic in life. 0.98

01:24:50.000 What a chance I have of pursuing my dream and doing comedy and making people laugh and having fun and don't have to sit in a fucking chair for eight hours a day with a job that I don't like. 0.94

01:25:05.000 Because if you like to be an accountant, that's okay. 0.96

01:25:08.000 Be happy being an accountant.

01:25:10.000 But it was never for me.

01:25:13.000 It was never for me.

01:25:14.000 No, it was never for me either, or any comedian that I know.

01:25:17.000 Everyone that I know was like doing something and living in hell until they decided to be a comedian.

01:25:22.000 Or the thought of doing something else.

01:25:24.000 But, you know, that's the path of life, right?

01:25:27.000 The path of life is, for some people, what we do would be hell.

01:25:31.000 For some people that are introverts, or they don't like attention, or they don't like public speaking, and they're not necessarily funny, what we do is hell. 0.99

01:25:41.000 If you weren't a funny person, and you don't know how to make people laugh, and you have to go on stage and make people laugh every night, that's your job, and you have to try hard, or there's some sort of pain involved, fuck. 0.99

01:25:53.000 That'd be hell. 0.99

01:25:54.000 See, that was me.

01:25:55.000 The last few shows that I did in Brazil, I felt heavy.

01:25:59.000 Heavy.

01:26:00.000 Like everyone's watching you.

01:26:01.000 Yeah, I felt the energy.

01:26:04.000 I still have a very loyal audience and they love me and I love them.

01:26:10.000 We still have that connection.

01:26:11.000 But I felt exposed.

01:26:13.000 I felt exposed.

01:26:15.000 And that's when you... 1.00

01:26:16.000 This is after the baby fuck joke? 1.00

01:26:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:19.000 After me becoming a baby fucker. 0.99

01:26:23.000 But at the time, that was funny, right? 0.99

01:26:25.000 When you said it, everybody laughed.

01:26:26.000 They laugh a lot.

01:26:27.000 But that was not the case, my friend. 0.99

01:26:29.000 If you take this joke out of context and put it in a newspaper, even me, when I read that, I was like, this guy is fucking... 0.99

01:26:37.000 It's messed up. 0.99

01:26:38.000 The rape joke that I did when I read on a newspaper, I was like...

01:26:42.000 What was the rape joke?

01:26:42.000 Oh, man.

01:26:43.000 Do you really want me to go there?

01:26:44.000 Yeah, we referenced it so many times.

01:26:47.000 It was bad.

01:26:47.000 It was something like...

01:26:50.000 I was watching on TV, and I'm not proud of that, okay? 0.90

01:26:54.000 But I was watching on TV, this woman, and she was saying that she was raped, and it was bad. 0.79

01:27:00.000 It was a very bad experience.

01:27:01.000 She was crying, but the camera wasn't showing her face.

01:27:04.000 It was just showing her mouth. 0.99

01:27:05.000 And she has a huge mustache, like a huge mustache, like a fucking lot of hair. 0.99

01:27:11.000 And I made this joke about this guy. 0.99

01:27:14.000 He was...

01:27:15.000 And this was kind of a gift because she wouldn't have another opportunity or something.

01:27:21.000 It wasn't good.

01:27:22.000 But I did once.

01:27:23.000 I was just testing the joke.

01:27:25.000 I was doing at 1 o'clock at night in my comedy club.

01:27:30.000 It was like 20 people in the audience. 1.00

01:27:31.000 So you were just fucking around. 1.00

01:27:32.000 I was just fucking around. 1.00

01:27:34.000 It was what I saw on TV. And so they were waiting for you to do something like that. 0.99

01:27:38.000 And it was like this journalist was there.

01:27:40.000 And he was doing a story for the Rolling Stone.

01:27:43.000 Oof.

01:27:43.000 And I was doing, it was a story about me.

01:27:46.000 And then the cover, it wasn't in the cover, but the picture on the Rolling Stone was me dressed as Jesus, like bleeding with a crown on my head.

01:27:55.000 And that was, in the text, was this... 0.93

01:27:59.000 Rape joke. 0.95

01:28:00.000 It was a rape joke. 1.00

01:28:01.000 I didn't even write the thing.

01:28:02.000 I was just like talking with the audience.

01:28:04.000 Right, right. 0.96

01:28:04.000 But when that was taken out of context, it was hard for me to explain to them, okay, this was me fucking around with like 20 people. 0.96

01:28:12.000 Right. 0.84

01:28:14.000 The people couldn't see the difference between me doing...

01:28:17.000 And it wasn't a good joke at all.

01:28:19.000 It's not something that I'm proud of. 0.99

01:28:20.000 But when you're on stage and you're testing, sometimes just shit comes up. 0.99

01:28:25.000 Right. 0.99

01:28:25.000 And I was testing boundaries as well. 0.99

01:28:28.000 I think it was my duty to test some stuff.

01:28:30.000 Yeah.

01:28:31.000 There's things that you say where you're not thinking them out because you're ad-libbing in the moment and they come out and even you disagree with them as you're saying them.

01:28:38.000 Of course.

01:28:39.000 But this is part of the process of creating material, especially if there's 20 people in the crowd, it's late at night.

01:28:45.000 You do things just to see.

01:28:47.000 You go down doors.

01:28:48.000 You open doors that you don't know what's in there. 0.96

01:28:51.000 And sometimes you'll say something and then you'll have the fucking perfect line and it comes out of nowhere.

01:28:57.000 And the only way you find out is if you take a chance. 0.97

01:28:59.000 Just doing it.

01:29:00.000 Yeah.

01:29:00.000 That's why I think it's unfair.

01:29:02.000 And I was having a discussion with two Big comedians about the Louis set that he did recently.

01:29:12.000 And I think he already talked about this, but the guy was testing stuff.

01:29:18.000 So how can you judge if the work is not done?

01:29:21.000 It's not even close to done.

01:29:22.000 Maybe he did that bit once before, if that, you know?

01:29:26.000 And the judgment was like, oh, he has to address what happened with him.

01:29:30.000 I'm pretty sure he will, but not on that set.

01:29:32.000 Maybe he didn't dress on that set.

01:29:34.000 That's not his special.

01:29:35.000 Right.

01:29:35.000 When he has his special, that's when he framed the thing.

01:29:39.000 Okay, that's my work.

01:29:41.000 Yeah.

01:29:41.000 But if he's just testing stuff, you cannot judge by that.

01:29:44.000 Well, the problem is now everybody wants to judge everything he does.

01:29:47.000 They want to find him and watch him, and so now he has to institute this cell phone policy at all the comedy clubs he works at where you have to take your phone and put it in a bag so that no one can get a hold of it.

01:29:58.000 It's just a real problem.

01:30:00.000 He's got a real problem.

01:30:01.000 And it's also a real problem for creating comedy.

01:30:04.000 Because if people don't understand that this is what comedy is about, that comedy is about improvisation and then boiling it down to what's good and then figuring out what's the best way to express an idea...

01:30:17.000 Because sometimes you have an idea, and you know there's something there, but you don't know how to say it.

01:30:21.000 So you just take a chance on one way, and then you go, oh, that's offensive.

01:30:24.000 That's disgusting.

01:30:25.000 But there's got to be a way to do it.

01:30:27.000 Let me find a better way to do it.

01:30:28.000 Yeah, of course.

01:30:29.000 Yeah, there's many bits that I did, like not my last special, but the special before, where when I first started them, they were not doing well at all.

01:30:38.000 They were not doing well at all.

01:30:39.000 I had to figure out a way to make them funny.

01:30:41.000 Why did you insist on them?

01:30:43.000 Because I knew there was something there.

01:30:44.000 I knew there was something there.

01:30:46.000 For instance, I had this one bit on women and inventions, and that women don't invent a lot of things. 1.00

01:30:53.000 And it took a long time for me to figure out how to do that.

01:30:57.000 And the best way to do that was to talk about all the great things about women first.

01:31:02.000 So I just had to talk about the concept that women are supposed to work, that women are supposed to work as well as raise children, which is fucking crazy, because raising children—I'm not saying that every woman should raise children and that they shouldn't have a career, 1.00

01:31:18.000 but if you— If you think that it's easy to raise children, you're out of your fucking mind. 0.99

01:31:23.000 It's one of the most difficult things in the world. 0.99

01:31:24.000 Just to have the patience, you're dealing with these little people, you have to teach them things, you have to give them love and constant attention, and it's very, very time consuming and it's difficult. 0.99

01:31:34.000 And these women are making people in their fucking bodies. 1.00

01:31:38.000 It's the most incredible thing that anyone has ever created. 1.00

01:31:40.000 Humans, you make humans in your body.

01:31:44.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:31:44.000 And I would go through this whole thing.

01:31:46.000 And then I'd say, so, ladies, I love you.

01:31:49.000 I think you're amazing. 0.99

01:31:50.000 But let's be honest, you don't invent a lot of shit. 0.99

01:31:54.000 And then I got into this whole thing about women inventions. 1.00

01:31:56.000 And then I just talked about all the great inventions that women make. 1.00

01:32:00.000 Okay, you set up differently.

01:32:02.000 But I had to figure out how to do it.

01:32:04.000 It took a while to figure out how to do it where the women thought it was funny. 0.99

01:32:08.000 Where I gave them enough honest, legitimate credit and said funny things about them that are positive first.

01:32:15.000 So then they feel free to laugh. 0.81

01:32:17.000 Yes, because they knew I'm not a dick. 1.00

01:32:19.000 I just have a point that women don't invent a lot of shit. 1.00

01:32:22.000 That's funny. 0.99

01:32:23.000 And then I also had to say, I don't invent anything.

01:32:26.000 I had to get really clear about that.

01:32:27.000 Let's be clear.

01:32:28.000 We're not talking about us. 1.00

01:32:29.000 I go, look, I'm a fucking moron. 1.00

01:32:31.000 I've never invented shit. 1.00

01:32:32.000 And I'm guessing you're probably pretty dumb too, which is why you're here listening to me talk. 1.00

01:32:37.000 I was like, we're not talking about us. 0.99

01:32:38.000 We're talking about inventors.

01:32:39.000 It's funny, bro.

01:32:40.000 And so I was trying to remove people from the tribal male versus female dynamic just to talk about the fact that in history, there have not been like relatively a lot of women inventors.

01:32:52.000 Got it.

01:32:53.000 And so then they felt...

01:32:54.000 And then they laughed.

01:32:55.000 Then it was funny.

01:32:56.000 It was like, it worked out great.

01:32:58.000 It was my closing bit.

01:32:59.000 It's the same thing with the joke that translated from Portuguese to English.

01:33:04.000 And I didn't have any problem doing this in Portuguese.

01:33:08.000 Because you don't have that much talking about race and stuff.

01:33:11.000 It was not that one, the N-word.

01:33:13.000 But it was a joke that I used to do that I was like, I saw this guy with a t-shirt.

01:33:18.000 Written 100% black.

01:33:20.000 I pointed to the palm of his hand and said 99%.

01:33:25.000 He smiled and said 98%.

01:33:30.000 That was the joke that I was doing.

01:33:31.000 And I did this joke here.

01:33:33.000 I just translated it.

01:33:34.000 It's literal.

01:33:36.000 So this is a case of joke that I translate.

01:33:39.000 It works.

01:33:40.000 Because it's well-written, has a good punchline.

01:33:42.000 It's everything.

01:33:44.000 But people felt very uncomfortable.

01:33:46.000 Who?

01:33:47.000 Not the black people. 1.00

01:33:48.000 The people that sit around the black guy. 0.99

01:33:51.000 That was... 0.91

01:33:52.000 I thought it was funny.

01:33:54.000 Because it wasn't him.

01:33:55.000 He was like laughing.

01:33:57.000 Also, do you think it's funny?

01:33:58.000 Because all of those people, they didn't feel that they were entitled to laugh around you.

01:34:03.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:34:04.000 So it was like this kind of...

01:34:05.000 It was uncomfortable.

01:34:07.000 Right.

01:34:08.000 But when I sat up as...

01:34:09.000 You know what?

01:34:11.000 You talk about race too much, and we don't have that in Brazil, so sometimes there's some misunderstandings with me.

01:34:18.000 So when I put myself in that position, it's just a mistake.

01:34:23.000 It's not racist.

01:34:24.000 I don't speak English.

01:34:26.000 That's easy.

01:34:27.000 That's when I get a...

01:34:29.000 Yeah, that's when I'm free to do the same thing that you did.

01:34:33.000 You set up in a different way.

01:34:35.000 Well, that's a really interesting angle, too, that really only someone from another country can pursue.

01:34:39.000 This angle that America has a different culture than you're used to.

01:34:45.000 And there's probably so many differences.

01:34:46.000 Oh yeah, he does a lot of differences. 1.00

01:34:48.000 Fucking Kardashians. 1.00

01:34:49.000 I don't know how you guys squash that shit. 1.00

01:34:52.000 We don't either! 1.00

01:34:53.000 It's like four chicks fucking hanging around and we are like... 1.00

01:34:57.000 And they're so silly! 1.00

01:34:58.000 There's nothing to it. 1.00

01:35:00.000 The celebrity thing here, fucking, that's amazing, bro. 0.99

01:35:04.000 Do you have Instagram celebrities and YouTube celebrities in Brazil like that? 0.99

01:35:08.000 Same kind of thing?

01:35:09.000 Yeah, we do have.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, we do have a lot of them.

01:35:12.000 And people playing video games and kids, my kids, watch people playing video games.

01:35:18.000 Right, yeah.

01:35:18.000 It's the same thing.

01:35:19.000 It's huge over here.

01:35:20.000 Yeah, I know.

01:35:21.000 People make millions of dollars playing video games.

01:35:24.000 It's crazy. 0.98

01:35:24.000 Like parents tell their kids, don't be a loser, play video games. 0.98

01:35:28.000 Like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? 0.66

01:35:30.000 These kids are making millions of dollars. 0.98

01:35:32.000 What is a loser? 0.99

01:35:33.000 You work all fucking year for 50 grand, and this guy is making $500,000 a week playing YouTube. 1.00

01:35:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:40.000 Playing fucking videos on YouTube and Twitter. 1.00

01:35:43.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:35:44.000 And YouTube gives you much more money than it does in Brazil. 0.98

01:35:47.000 But we have the same speech of, like I have this YouTube channel called Ilha de Barbados in Brazil, and we are having a lot of problems with, we are getting, not monetizing our videos.

01:35:57.000 It's the same thing.

01:35:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:59.000 We are suffering through the same problems.

01:36:01.000 Well, they don't know exactly what to do, because advertisers are very wary about certain content, and so they have these deals with these advertisers, and so they're trying to suppress content because they don't want to minimize, they don't want to lose revenue.

01:36:16.000 Mm-hmm.

01:36:16.000 So what they're trying to do is make advertisers happy, but then the content creators feel like they're being censored.

01:36:22.000 And they are being censored, but they have to understand what's happening here.

01:36:25.000 All this stuff costs money.

01:36:27.000 Do you get some of your videos?

01:36:29.000 All the time.

01:36:30.000 Yeah, all the time. 1.00

01:36:30.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:36:31.000 That's bad. 1.00

01:36:31.000 Yeah, they get demonetized. 1.00

01:36:33.000 They get demonetized if we talk about specific subjects.

01:36:36.000 Oh, subjects as well.

01:36:37.000 Yep, yep.

01:36:38.000 Not even showing images, just talking about the subject?

01:36:40.000 Subjects, just subjects. 1.00

01:36:42.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:36:42.000 And we've talked about them, and we've... 0.99

01:36:45.000 We've complained about it a little, but basically, I mean, Jamie, we kind of take this attitude that there's nothing we can do.

01:36:50.000 We just kind of keep on trucking.

01:36:52.000 You just keep doing it.

01:36:53.000 Yeah, because you're building much more than just...

01:36:56.000 Yeah, that money is not your money.

01:36:58.000 I mean, it's something.

01:36:59.000 It's money.

01:37:01.000 It could be thousands of dollars for each one that they don't...

01:37:06.000 I don't think about it that way.

01:37:08.000 I think about it like, well, what's important?

01:37:10.000 What's important is just say what's on your mind.

01:37:14.000 I'm not going to change just so that I get more YouTube ad money.

01:37:19.000 That would ruin whatever I'm doing.

01:37:22.000 I think they're going to work it out in a better way eventually.

01:37:25.000 There's also a thing called YouTube Red.

01:37:29.000 And with YouTube Red, even if things get demonetized, the people that are paying for YouTube, see, you pay for YouTube Red so you never get any advertisements.

01:37:37.000 And you still, like, if you've got a certain amount of people that are, I think 50% of our revenue comes from YouTube Red.

01:37:45.000 50%?

01:37:45.000 Roughly, yeah.

01:37:46.000 It varies from video to video.

01:37:48.000 It's just a time-watched kind of cumulative thing.

01:37:52.000 A lot of people are saying, look, I'd rather pay X amount of dollars per month and don't put any ads on.

01:37:58.000 So I think we're moving towards that model.

01:38:03.000 But I understand the process as well.

01:38:04.000 There's brands.

01:38:06.000 And they're paying the bills.

01:38:07.000 You know what?

01:38:07.000 Google is not a...

01:38:08.000 It's not free.

01:38:09.000 It's not free.

01:38:11.000 All of it is expensive and they're trying to make money too.

01:38:13.000 So the only reason for them to allow someone like you or I to put a video up is they want to be able to profit from it.

01:38:19.000 So, I mean, they're not providing a service just because they're good people.

01:38:23.000 They're trying to make money.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, but the thing which is easier for us is that our revenue comes from shows and we can do a lot of different stuff.

01:38:32.000 But there's people that actually get their money from YouTube.

01:38:35.000 Yes.

01:38:36.000 And that's the one that are getting hurt.

01:38:37.000 Well, in the United States, the real issue is conservative speakers.

01:38:42.000 Because all these tech companies, whether it's YouTube or Facebook or what have you, they all lean left.

01:38:48.000 They're all very left-wing.

01:38:49.000 So right-wing people feel like they get censored off of all these platforms before other ones.

01:38:55.000 Maybe less on Facebook, right? 1.00

01:38:57.000 Because Facebook, they actually make money off of people paying attention to shit. 0.99

01:39:02.000 So the more people argue about stuff, probably the more eyes they get. 0.99

01:39:06.000 The money that they get, the most of their money is people paying you, paying Facebook to promote their content.

01:39:12.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 It's not like...

01:39:13.000 Yeah, and Facebook doesn't, you don't make money off of Facebook, right?

01:39:16.000 Is there anybody making money off of Facebook blog posts or...

01:39:19.000 Yeah.

01:39:20.000 Yeah?

01:39:20.000 Yeah, there is people, there is monetizing videos right now.

01:39:22.000 Videos now, yeah, for sure.

01:39:23.000 Videos, videos, right.

01:39:23.000 It's very recent.

01:39:24.000 But not like writing, like say if you wrote an essay on Facebook.

01:39:27.000 Yeah, they wouldn't pay for that specifically.

01:39:29.000 Right.

01:39:29.000 But that's where, like, there's a lot of people like to comment on things and argue about things.

01:39:36.000 And so if you have something controversial on Facebook, there's probably value in that, because you're going to get more eyeballs, right?

01:39:42.000 There's a lot of value in controversy.

01:39:44.000 It's just like, what kind of controversy?

01:39:46.000 So for YouTube, the big thing is, like, if you have, like, well, specifically Twitter, Twitter's been...

01:39:57.000 They've had big issues with it.

01:39:59.000 Instagram not so much with conservative people, right?

01:40:01.000 You don't hear that as much?

01:40:03.000 I don't think so, no.

01:40:04.000 It's more of a Twitter, YouTube thing.

01:40:07.000 And it's conservatives feel like they're being pushed up because almost overwhelmingly all the tech companies are liberal.

01:40:16.000 They're all very left-wing and very pro-gay rights, trans rights.

01:40:21.000 There's an example of this one woman who was a feminist who said that a woman is not a man, or a man is not a woman. 0.92

01:40:28.000 So, like, a trans woman.

01:40:30.000 He used to be a man and turn into a woman. 0.67

01:40:33.000 Her take is, a man is never a woman. 0.59

01:40:36.000 And so they told her, you gotta remove this.

01:40:39.000 She removed it and then apparently took a screenshot of it and posted it up again. 0.82

01:40:43.000 She was like, okay, I'll delete that.

01:40:44.000 And she took a screenshot and then posted it again. 1.00

01:40:46.000 Like, fuck you. 1.00

01:40:46.000 And so then they banned her for life. 1.00

01:40:48.000 And now she's suing that woman, Megan... 1.00

01:40:50.000 What is her name?

01:40:52.000 I forget her...

01:40:53.000 Here, I got it right here.

01:40:55.000 Because someone just sent me something.

01:40:57.000 Sam Harris just sent me something about it today.

01:40:59.000 Her name is Megan Murphy.

01:41:05.000 So she's a feminist and she's just like, look, you can't just become a woman. 1.00

01:41:08.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:41:09.000 And so they're like, you're banned for life. 1.00

01:41:11.000 And then everybody's like, well, you're crazy. 0.96

01:41:12.000 You can't ban her. 0.96

01:41:13.000 She's got an opinion.

01:41:13.000 How come she can't have that opinion?

01:41:16.000 That's a biological opinion.

01:41:18.000 I mean, it might be controversial, it might be rude, it might be insensitive.

01:41:21.000 But it's the same process, Joe.

01:41:22.000 It's the same thing that I lived in Brazil.

01:41:24.000 It's like, if the sponsor doesn't want you to say that, how can you argue?

01:41:28.000 I don't think that's a sponsor issue, because this is Twitter.

01:41:30.000 Because I don't think that's a sponsor issue.

01:41:32.000 I think this is a left-winging corporation who's decided...

01:41:34.000 Oh, do you think it's just about...

01:41:35.000 Yeah, they've decided to censor a certain type of speech that they think is offensive.

01:41:39.000 And she was apparently saying it to the person who was a trans person, like a man is never a woman.

01:41:46.000 And by saying that to the trans person, they're saying that it was like targeted harassment.

01:41:51.000 But don't you think that at the end of the process, it is about money?

01:41:54.000 Because do you think Twitter cares that much?

01:41:56.000 I saw the Twitter guy here.

01:41:59.000 For me, it didn't look like he cared much about the speech side of things because they're companies.

01:42:06.000 So they have to pay their bills and they have to bring sponsors.

01:42:10.000 And even brands are more left-sided here in this country.

01:42:14.000 Well, because that's where it's sensitive, right?

01:42:16.000 Because that's where you can get boycotted.

01:42:18.000 I think there's definitely something to what you're saying there.

01:42:21.000 If you're the CEO of a major corporation like Twitter or something like that, you're responsible to your stockholders, you're responsible to all the people that work on the board.

01:42:29.000 If you want to stay CEO, you've got to continue to make more and more money every year.

01:42:34.000 You've got to bring more people to the platform, make the platform more popular, make more money.

01:42:38.000 And in their eyes, the way to do that and to maximize that is to limit harassment, limit things.

01:42:44.000 So these are our social decisions, but they're also business strategies.

01:42:48.000 They're two different things together at the same time. 0.99

01:42:50.000 Yeah, so it's fucking complex, man. 0.95

01:42:53.000 It's tricky. 0.99

01:42:53.000 Yeah, and they don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

01:42:55.000 This is uncharted territory. 0.98

01:42:56.000 I know.

01:42:57.000 There's never been a thing like Twitter before.

01:42:58.000 There's never been a thing like Facebook before.

01:43:00.000 We're complete uncharted territory in 2019. Yeah.

01:43:03.000 But it's amazing, man.

01:43:04.000 It is amazing to see people like you and me creating our own channels, our own NBCs.

01:43:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:13.000 So we don't have to depend on that that much.

01:43:15.000 You feel free.

01:43:17.000 That's when creativity comes up.

01:43:20.000 That's when people start to be creative.

01:43:22.000 That's when new stuff.

01:43:24.000 So it becomes a threat as well.

01:43:26.000 Well, when you stop and think about the sheer impact, what was the number that our channel got in terms of minutes watched?

01:43:33.000 What was that number?

01:43:35.000 For last year, it was 16.1 billion minutes watched.

01:43:45.000 That's more than every human on the planet watching a minute.

01:43:50.000 Think of that.

01:43:51.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:43:51.000 It's way more.

01:43:52.000 That's more than double every human on the planet watching for a minute. 1.00

01:43:58.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

01:43:59.000 Yeah, I guess you have some fans. 1.00

01:44:01.000 But it's not even that.

01:44:02.000 The impact of that is insane.

01:44:07.000 Negative and positive, pro and con, all of it, the whole thing.

01:44:11.000 It's like the amount of content that gets put out there and the amount of interactions and the amount of debate that comes from that content.

01:44:19.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:44:21.000 And for me, the only thing I can do is just walk away. 0.99

01:44:23.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on. 1.00

01:44:24.000 I just throw it out there and get the fuck away from it. 0.99

01:44:26.000 You don't read anything? 1.00

01:44:28.000 I don't read shit. 1.00

01:44:28.000 You couldn't. 1.00

01:44:29.000 You don't!

01:44:30.000 No, you get caught up in all of it.

01:44:31.000 You would get caught up in the negative or maybe even worse, caught up in the positive. 1.00

01:44:36.000 People kiss your ass, you start believing it. 0.99

01:44:38.000 So I just try to be humble and if there's an overwhelming negative reaction, I hear about it and then I try to adjust and address it and respect that I'm in this unique position where I do have this weird sort of platform. 0.99

01:44:52.000 I saw you talking about that you thought that you weren't that informed to do the Twitter guy.

01:44:58.000 Yeah, that's why I brought Tim Pool in.

01:45:00.000 Tim is a good friend as well.

01:45:02.000 I met him in Brazil.

01:45:03.000 He went there to cover our protests.

01:45:06.000 Oh, really?

01:45:06.000 Yeah.

01:45:07.000 No, he's a legitimate, investigative, independent journalist and a real honorable guy and honest and intelligent and well-informed.

01:45:14.000 So I knew he was the perfect guy.

01:45:16.000 And we're going to do some other things, he and I. We've got something that's going to blow people away when that happens.

01:45:21.000 That's good, man.

01:45:22.000 He sent me a message yesterday.

01:45:23.000 Oh, sorry that you're going on Rogan's.

01:45:25.000 I was like, yeah, yeah.

01:45:26.000 Yeah, I can't talk about it right now, but we've got something cooking that might change the platform.

01:45:29.000 Do you have time to do those things, bro?

01:45:32.000 I have time to do some things.

01:45:36.000 Focus on your kids, man.

01:45:37.000 I do!

01:45:38.000 Well, they're in school right now.

01:45:40.000 See, the thing is, all this happens while they're in school, and then comedy happens while they're asleep.

01:45:44.000 See, I have it down to a science.

01:45:45.000 Yeah, so what it is is they go to school, I get up with them, either I take them to school or my wife takes them to school, and then I go either workout, either I do yoga or lift weights or jiu-jitsu or whatever in the morning, then I come here, I'm done in the afternoon, then I hang out with them until it's time to eat,

01:46:02.000 we eat dinner, and then after dinner, they go to bed.

01:46:05.000 They go to bed at like 8 o'clock.

01:46:07.000 I don't do a set until 10. So I leave the house after that, and then, you know, I can go there.

01:46:11.000 My wife is happy to get rid of me. 0.99

01:46:13.000 I go to the comedy store, hang out.

01:46:16.000 So it works.

01:46:18.000 I got it down to a science.

01:46:19.000 Nice.

01:46:21.000 That's the life that I wanted.

01:46:23.000 Unfortunately, my wife left.

01:46:25.000 Well, you were talking about that.

01:46:27.000 If you want to talk about that.

01:46:28.000 I do.

01:46:28.000 I don't care.

01:46:29.000 It's okay.

01:46:30.000 Because it's kind of a crazy story.

01:46:31.000 I actually say this on stages on my Netflix special.

01:46:33.000 Oh, really?

01:46:34.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 And my wife left me for a cult.

01:46:38.000 She joined a cult!

01:46:40.000 It was crazy!

01:46:41.000 It was, bro!

01:46:42.000 It was, man.

01:46:43.000 But it's like one of those self-help cults, right?

01:46:45.000 Yes.

01:46:46.000 But it is a cult.

01:46:47.000 There's a lot of cults.

01:46:48.000 It's very dangerous when one person starts telling another person how you must live your life.

01:46:54.000 Yes.

01:46:55.000 These are the principles.

01:46:56.000 This is what you have to do.

01:46:57.000 You have to leave your family.

01:46:58.000 You have to quit your job.

01:47:00.000 You have to change the way you dress.

01:47:01.000 You have to change the way you talk.

01:47:03.000 You have to do this and do that.

01:47:04.000 When someone tells you that and they get a mass group of people to do things like that, it becomes very dangerous.

01:47:12.000 Sometimes it's not that direct.

01:47:14.000 Right.

01:47:15.000 Sometimes it's just like, okay, what was difficult is that her cult Was teaching her that you gotta love everybody the same, which is awesome if you think about it.

01:47:27.000 Jesus did that.

01:47:28.000 I think he was the only one who did that.

01:47:29.000 Jesus was the only one who was like, I don't care. 0.99

01:47:32.000 I'm not gonna have kids. 0.99

01:47:34.000 I'm gonna date this prostitute over here, and that's okay. 1.00

01:47:36.000 That was his life. 1.00

01:47:38.000 And...

01:47:39.000 For my...

01:47:40.000 When you learn that you have to love everybody the same, why are you going to focus on just one man in a marriage and you have to go home and you kind of live your life to yourself? 0.96

01:47:56.000 Or maybe she didn't love me anymore and I'm fucking blaming the cult. 0.88

01:48:00.000 Or maybe that would be that too. 0.99

01:48:02.000 That's what happened.

01:48:03.000 Some people are very easily influenced.

01:48:06.000 You know, that is a real issue.

01:48:08.000 And I worry about that sometimes when I talk to people.

01:48:10.000 Because some people say, hey, man.

01:48:12.000 Well, they say, hey, you changed my life. 1.00

01:48:13.000 I'm like, listen, motherfucker, I didn't change shit. 1.00

01:48:15.000 You changed your life. 1.00

01:48:16.000 I go, I don't even know you.

01:48:17.000 I did not change your life.

01:48:18.000 Don't listen to me.

01:48:19.000 All I'm doing is talking to a bunch of people.

01:48:22.000 All these people have something to offer.

01:48:24.000 Everyone has something to offer.

01:48:25.000 But it's not me.

01:48:26.000 I'm an antenna, okay?

01:48:29.000 If I'm saying something that resonates with you and it helps you, I'm very happy.

01:48:33.000 But don't listen to me like I know everything.

01:48:36.000 Don't do that.

01:48:36.000 I think it's awesome that you do that.

01:48:37.000 Because you know the power that these have and how you could actually be influenced in their lives in a bad way.

01:48:46.000 But you have to be very careful of people that do tell you that they have the answers and they're the one and they're the smart ones and you need to listen to them because those people are fucking dangerous because they can get you to do things that are irreversible.

01:48:59.000 They can get you to leave your family. 0.97

01:49:00.000 They can get you to join this fucking commune and Give up all your worldly belongings. 1.00

01:49:05.000 Then you realize years later, they're fucking crazy. 1.00

01:49:08.000 Like that Wild Wild Country documentary that we were talking about. 1.00

01:49:11.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:49:12.000 These people were Hollywood fucking executives and producers, millionaires. 1.00

01:49:17.000 People that look like on paper, they have their life in order. 1.00

01:49:20.000 And they want to go and wear the red clothes and the beads and be a part of this fucking movement. 0.99

01:49:26.000 People need a reason to live. 0.99

01:49:27.000 People need an explanation for things that they cannot explain.

01:49:31.000 And when there's someone that thinks that they know the answers, they can lie.

01:49:38.000 Because it's easy.

01:49:39.000 It's not going to have someone that is going to say if it's true or not.

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:44.000 That's also the danger of a platform.

01:49:45.000 And that's the danger of something like even this podcast.

01:49:47.000 The danger of any platform.

01:49:49.000 Anytime we have one person that's talking in front of a microphone and everyone else is listening, it's a weird position to be in.

01:49:58.000 And you hear this person through your earphones or through your computer screen and you start thinking that they're making sense and that they're right.

01:50:07.000 Because there's no one to counter what they're saying in front of them.

01:50:10.000 There's no one with opposing opinions.

01:50:11.000 There's no one...

01:50:12.000 And they can get wrapped up in this position of being a leader as well.

01:50:18.000 People get intoxicated by being a leader.

01:50:22.000 I've seen it with people that just teach martial arts.

01:50:25.000 A lot of martial arts classes turn into very cult-like places.

01:50:29.000 I noticed that especially before the UFC came around.

01:50:32.000 Because...

01:50:33.000 Everyone really legitimately believed that their martial arts instructor could kill everyone on the planet.

01:50:38.000 Everyone really believed that in the 80s and the 90s.

01:50:42.000 Royce teaches them that it was not true.

01:50:44.000 Royce teaches them.

01:50:45.000 Royce. 0.99

01:50:46.000 Look, Royce Gracie changed the fucking world. 0.99

01:50:48.000 He really did. 0.99

01:50:49.000 He changed the whole world.

01:50:50.000 And he changed our perception of what martial arts are and what's effective and what's not.

01:50:54.000 But before that, I mean, I grew up in a Taekwondo school, which was very disciplined, and everyone was, sir, like you would call everyone Mr. Smith or Mr. O'Malley, everyone Mr. Kim, yes, sir.

01:51:07.000 If someone said something to me, I would always say, yes, sir, yes, sir.

01:51:09.000 And it was always bowing.

01:51:11.000 It was very strict and very disciplined.

01:51:14.000 And I came from a very good school, but I was around a lot of schools that weren't good.

01:51:19.000 Mm-hmm.

01:51:19.000 I saw a lot of very cult-like behavior.

01:51:22.000 There was a lot of men who would take advantage sexually of their students, and they would do weird shit to their students, and it was almost like running a little sex cult. 0.99

01:51:32.000 There was a lot of that. 0.99

01:51:33.000 You're talking about your school or the jujitsu?

01:51:34.000 No, not my school.

01:51:35.000 Jujitsu school.

01:51:36.000 No, karate schools.

01:51:37.000 Oh, the karate schools.

01:51:38.000 Okay.

01:51:38.000 Kung fu schools.

01:51:39.000 That's crazy.

01:51:39.000 We all knew about that, and some of them wound up going to jail.

01:51:43.000 I knew guys that went to jail.

01:51:44.000 They went to jail for rape.

01:51:46.000 Yeah.

01:51:47.000 And there was people that, like, they were in these positions of power where their students looked at them like a god and they took advantage of it.

01:51:56.000 And this is the same thing as what we're talking about here.

01:52:01.000 When one person has too much power and influence in a platform, One of the beautiful things about jiu-jitsu is its informality.

01:52:09.000 Like my instructor, John-Jacques Machado, he's the friendliest, nicest guy.

01:52:14.000 He's a world champion.

01:52:16.000 I mean, he's super respected by all, but when you meet him, he's like, hey, how are you?

01:52:21.000 It's all hugs and claps, and he doesn't ever pretend to be anything, and he rolls with everybody.

01:52:27.000 He trains with everyone.

01:52:28.000 So it's like the informality and the brothership and camaraderie and the family environment that is fostered by Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is very unique in martial arts.

01:52:38.000 And that I think is very important because the respect comes from their ability and from leading by example.

01:52:44.000 It doesn't come from some fake position of being some master of the death touch and some all-knowing person at the top of the mountain.

01:52:52.000 We all thought our instructor could kill everyone on the planet.

01:52:55.000 We really did.

01:52:56.000 And when the UFC came along, For a lot of people, that was just a bucket of cold water thrown in your face.

01:53:02.000 Like, whoa!

01:53:04.000 That little skinny guy just choked out all those big giant people. 1.00

01:53:07.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:53:09.000 And they were doing that for a long time in Brazil, like in beaches and going to houses and going to gyms and just kicking people's faces. 1.00

01:53:17.000 I don't care.

01:53:19.000 Yeah, I mean, look, they changed what martial arts are.

01:53:22.000 They really did.

01:53:22.000 They boiled it down to what's most effective.

01:53:25.000 And they took ground fighting and they turned it into this perfect sort of...

01:53:33.000 We're good to go.

01:53:58.000 I mean, what Brazil did for martial arts is probably one of the single most significant things that's happened in the thousands of years of people fighting each other.

01:54:09.000 Pretty amazing, man.

01:54:10.000 That's crazy, huh?

01:54:11.000 Yeah, pretty amazing. 0.99

01:54:12.000 But at the same time, there was those guys on Shoot Your Box just fucking... 0.99

01:54:15.000 Beating the shit out of each other. 1.00

01:54:16.000 Beating the shit out of each other. 1.00

01:54:17.000 There was an article that I read recently where Vanderlei was talking about... 0.85

01:54:23.000 You know, he's having difficulty now, because, you know, he's had so many wars, he fought for so many years, and then he went to some sort of conference on concussions and CTE, and he had 13 of the 15 symptoms.

01:54:36.000 Wow!

01:54:37.000 Yeah, yeah, and he was talking about how he forgets things, he's impulsive, all these different symptoms he had, and then the very next thing he said is, but I want to fight Vitor Belfort. 1.00

01:54:51.000 He's like, fuck it. 1.00

01:54:52.000 Vanderlei is crazy. 1.00

01:54:53.000 He went to my talk show, and he's crazy. 0.95

01:54:57.000 He decided not to go like two minutes before he goes, and he changed his mind, and he's sweet, but at the same time, he's right-wing.

01:55:05.000 Now he was just, he tried to go, he became a politician.

01:55:09.000 Really?

01:55:09.000 He went to be elected, but nobody voted on him.

01:55:13.000 People just liked him.

01:55:14.000 People didn't want him to see on Congress or something.

01:55:16.000 That's good.

01:55:17.000 Brazil gets it. 0.76

01:55:18.000 Because in America it's dangerous.

01:55:19.000 No, it happens in Brazil too.

01:55:20.000 Does it?

01:55:21.000 Of course.

01:55:21.000 Do you have celebrities that run for office?

01:55:23.000 Celebrities, of course.

01:55:24.000 One of our most famous congressmen was a big brother.

01:55:31.000 Oh no!

01:55:32.000 I was a big brother. 1.00

01:55:33.000 That big brother show is so ridiculous. 1.00

01:55:35.000 It is. 1.00

01:55:36.000 That's the worst way to become a celebrity.

01:55:37.000 One of the most watched shows in Brazil.

01:55:40.000 That's crazy.

01:55:42.000 I don't people watch that much here.

01:55:43.000 Do they?

01:55:44.000 I don't know anymore.

01:55:45.000 I think so for sure.

01:55:47.000 Well the crazy thing was Omarosa.

01:55:49.000 Omarosa who was one of the big, she was a big staff in the White House. 1.00

01:55:53.000 Apprentice.

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:54.000 Before that she was on Fear Factor.

01:55:57.000 I, when I was the host, I had a fucking altercation with her on Fear Factor. 0.98

01:56:01.000 Not a bad one, but she accused me of being drunk. 0.98

01:56:04.000 She was like, because I was asking her a question.

01:56:06.000 I was like, that doesn't make sense.

01:56:07.000 She goes, Joe, you're drunk.

01:56:08.000 I'm like, I'm not drunk.

01:56:09.000 You can't just say I'm drunk.

01:56:10.000 She was the Fear Factor before The Apprentice.

01:56:13.000 No, she was on something else first, before The Apprentice.

01:56:17.000 I think that was it.

01:56:18.000 Was she on The Apprentice and then Fear Factor?

01:56:21.000 Come on.

01:56:21.000 Was Fear Factor before The Apprentice?

01:56:24.000 Same time.

01:56:25.000 I'm pretty sure she got famous for being on The Apprentice. 0.95

01:56:27.000 She was on the second season maybe.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, I remember.

01:56:29.000 Why did I think she was on another show first and then The Apprentice?

01:56:34.000 She went to another reality show after The Apprentice.

01:56:37.000 I don't know.

01:56:37.000 I remember that.

01:56:39.000 Well, the crazy thing is she went from the White House to Big Brother.

01:56:43.000 She was actually on the first season of The Apprentice.

01:56:46.000 Oh, what year was that?

01:56:50.000 So she was on Celebrity Fear Factor.

01:56:54.000 2003, 2004. Okay, so she must have been on Fear Factor like 2005. She's nice though.

01:57:01.000 She told me I was drunk.

01:57:03.000 I was like, what?

01:57:03.000 She wasn't elected, right?

01:57:06.000 No, no, no.

01:57:07.000 She was appointed by Trump.

01:57:08.000 But Trump gave... 0.99

01:57:10.000 So here's what's fucked up. 0.97

01:57:11.000 Here's what's really... 0.96

01:57:12.000 I was reading an article about the problems with what she did. 0.99

01:57:16.000 When she was in the Situation Room in these secured White House rooms, she had her fucking phone recording. 1.00

01:57:24.000 So she's sitting there recording shit in the middle of these... 1.00

01:57:30.000 Totally secure rooms. 1.00

01:57:33.000 Trump is talking.

01:57:34.000 She's got her phone there.

01:57:35.000 Hmm.

01:57:35.000 Interesting.

01:57:36.000 Hmm. 1.00

01:57:37.000 And she's recording everything on her fucking phone. 0.99

01:57:39.000 So she has like hours and hours of footage of recordings, which you're not supposed to do. 0.99

01:57:45.000 It's like you could literally Russians and Chinese and the Iranians and anybody that wants to tune in could hack into her fucking phone, turn the microphone on, and this is absolute proven technology, and they're using that to listen in the middle of the situation room. 0.84

01:58:02.000 So if there's some sort of top secret shit that's going on, Some foreign entity could be listening in through her phone while she's recording. 1.00

01:58:10.000 So ignorant. 1.00

01:58:11.000 I don't think they need all of that. 1.00

01:58:12.000 They just call Trump and ask what happened.

01:58:15.000 He'll tell you.

01:58:16.000 They're like, what happened?

01:58:17.000 They're like, okay.

01:58:18.000 Yeah, but I mean, he allowed her this, you know, I don't know if she's unstable, but she seems a little unstable. 0.67

01:58:26.000 That's such a very dangerous thing to do. 0.99

01:58:29.000 You're not even supposed to bring your fucking phone into those rooms. 0.99

01:58:32.000 And for her to be recording, recording everything. 1.00

01:58:35.000 That's crazy.

01:58:35.000 It's so crazy.

01:58:37.000 It is, right?

01:58:37.000 But it's so selfish, too.

01:58:39.000 Like, if you are acting the best, if you're in a position, when you're working for the White House, you're working for Donald Trump. 0.99

01:58:44.000 He's the President of the United States, the biggest superpower in the fucking world. 0.98

01:58:48.000 And you're just recording things. 1.00

01:58:51.000 Like, God!

01:58:52.000 I know that you want to serve yourself.

01:58:54.000 I know you want to help yourself out, but God!

01:58:57.000 That seems so crazy.

01:58:59.000 I mean, if you were Trump and you hired her and you found out she was recording everything in the Situation Room, you must be like...

01:59:06.000 Oh, like in conferences with like, they're talking about important policy and she's got phone recording and anybody can be listening.

01:59:14.000 But if you think about it, like, it's crazy for him to give her some credibility.

01:59:21.000 Yeah.

01:59:22.000 Because she was an apprentice.

01:59:23.000 He liked her.

01:59:23.000 But then you think about it, okay, the president of the United States is a guy that was running Apprentice.

01:59:27.000 So I don't think that's...

01:59:29.000 He liked her.

01:59:29.000 He felt like, well, look, she's very articulate.

01:59:32.000 She's a good-looking woman. 0.99

01:59:33.000 She knows how to speak well.

01:59:35.000 She's got a lot of confidence and power. 0.94

01:59:37.000 He probably figured she'd be a great politician. 0.99

01:59:39.000 Perfect.

01:59:39.000 I'm a great politician.

01:59:40.000 He's probably like, I'm the fucking president. 0.99

01:59:42.000 I'll make her, she's going to be my left-hand lady or right-hand lady. 0.99

01:59:46.000 It is not that difficult, at least in Brazil, it's not that difficult for famous people to get elected when they were running for a congressman.

01:59:53.000 Because there's so many options that if you're known and you get like 1% of the voting, you're already elected.

02:00:01.000 But if you go run for like a mayor or like a...

02:00:05.000 Governor.

02:00:05.000 A governor or something, it becomes a little tricky because there's like five options and now you're running against...

02:00:10.000 Real politicians.

02:00:11.000 Real politicians.

02:00:12.000 Who actually have a plan.

02:00:13.000 Yeah.

02:00:14.000 So if you're running against like 200 people, you can shine a little because you're famous.

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:19.000 We're starting to see a little bit more of that in America.

02:00:21.000 Like Cynthia Nixon, she was on Sex and the City, and then she ran for, what, she ran for governor in New York, right? 1.00

02:00:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 So there's a few that are starting to branch off into politics now.

02:00:33.000 I mean, did it happen before Ronald Reagan?

02:00:35.000 Because he was a famous actor.

02:00:36.000 He's the most famous.

02:00:38.000 I think he was a movie star.

02:00:39.000 He was a bang-bang writer.

02:00:41.000 Yeah, he was the first guy.

02:00:42.000 He's like that joke in Back to the Future.

02:00:43.000 You mean like Ronald Reagan, the movie star?

02:00:45.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 Yeah, that was the first.

02:00:49.000 He was also the first that introduced the option, or his cabinet was the first.

02:00:54.000 They got the people, his team got the people from the religious right involved.

02:01:01.000 Religion was not really a big part of voting before Ronald Reagan, but Ronald Reagan and that sort of...

02:01:08.000 Kind of Republican.

02:01:10.000 They got all these evangelical Christians involved.

02:01:12.000 Evangelicals. 0.56

02:01:13.000 Okay.

02:01:13.000 Yeah.

02:01:13.000 It's the same thing in Brazil.

02:01:14.000 Yeah.

02:01:15.000 What is going on with Brazil now with your president?

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 There's a huge connection between politics and the church right now.

02:01:21.000 The evangelicals.

02:01:23.000 And it wasn't that way before?

02:01:23.000 It was a little bit.

02:01:25.000 It was always something because Brazil is a very evangelical country.

02:01:29.000 Right.

02:01:29.000 I don't know if you ever watched, like you were watching in the middle of the night and you turn on your TV and there's this guy talking that he was like, Oh, there's a demon that is running over my soul.

02:01:39.000 And there's like those TV shows called Stop Suffering.

02:01:46.000 It's more like for the domestic audiences.

02:01:49.000 This church is everywhere.

02:01:50.000 Like Joel Osteen in America, right?

02:01:53.000 I don't know what he's doing.

02:01:53.000 He's a big-time evangelical Christian.

02:01:56.000 He sells out these giant arenas, like 50,000 people come to see him.

02:02:00.000 Yes, yes.

02:02:01.000 But it's very...

02:02:02.000 It's huge in Brazil.

02:02:05.000 And they have, like, I don't know, 40% of the people is evangelical in Brazil.

02:02:10.000 I don't have the numbers right now, but the religion is something huge over there.

02:02:15.000 So, it was something...

02:02:18.000 That's why we didn't evolve in a lot of different discussions.

02:02:22.000 Like, talking about...

02:02:24.000 Abortion is not legal in Brazil.

02:02:26.000 Not legal at all.

02:02:27.000 Wow. 0.94

02:02:28.000 Just if you're raped... 1.00

02:02:30.000 Just if you're raped or if your kid has like a... 0.99

02:02:35.000 Deformity. 0.99

02:02:36.000 Deformity.

02:02:37.000 Then you can have an abortion. 1.00

02:02:39.000 If the woman's life is threatened by the birth.

02:02:41.000 Yes.

02:02:41.000 That's the only cases.

02:02:43.000 Wow.

02:02:43.000 And that discussion never happened because everybody's religious.

02:02:48.000 If you do, like, how do you say when you go public and you ask something to the people?

02:02:53.000 Like, do you have this here?

02:02:55.000 It's just like you have a kind of a test.

02:02:58.000 We have this in Brazil.

02:03:00.000 I don't know how you say this in English.

02:03:02.000 A test.

02:03:02.000 Yeah, it's just a test.

02:03:03.000 Are you against abortion or...

02:03:06.000 A poll?

02:03:06.000 A poll.

02:03:07.000 Poll.

02:03:07.000 Okay, like an opinion poll?

02:03:08.000 Yes.

02:03:09.000 My second language, so sometimes I miss a word or two.

02:03:12.000 Yeah, I miss it.

02:03:13.000 That's my only language.

02:03:16.000 So, if we do a poll in Brazil, people will be against abortion, against the legalization of abortion, and against drugs, like selling drugs and everything else.

02:03:25.000 What about morning after pill?

02:03:28.000 No, it is.

02:03:29.000 You can take that.

02:03:30.000 You can take that.

02:03:31.000 I don't know.

02:03:32.000 I don't know.

02:03:33.000 I don't know.

02:03:34.000 I don't know.

02:03:35.000 I bought some.

02:03:38.000 So, I didn't...

02:03:39.000 In pharmacy, so it's okay.

02:03:42.000 I think, though.

02:03:43.000 I don't know.

02:03:44.000 I don't know.

02:03:45.000 But you can...

02:03:46.000 Abortion is not legal in Brazil.

02:03:47.000 So, we are not having that discussion because now the president is connected to the church.

02:03:52.000 Our ex-president, called Lula, he's in jail right now.

02:03:57.000 He's in jail.

02:03:58.000 He was involved in a huge corruption scandal.

02:04:02.000 And he was like our hope because he was a poor guy.

02:04:07.000 So he was a government that actually helped the poor in Brazil.

02:04:11.000 What happened with him?

02:04:13.000 He was involved.

02:04:15.000 He had connections with different companies and different industries.

02:04:21.000 It was giving him money.

02:04:23.000 And they have this thing called Cacha Dois.

02:04:26.000 It's when you're doing a campaign, you need to say how much money you're getting from all those different brands and everything else.

02:04:34.000 So there's this thing called Cacha Dois, which is you get money, you spend the money.

02:04:38.000 There's never went on any banks or anything like that.

02:04:41.000 So it's kind of you hide that money.

02:04:45.000 That happens a lot in Brazil.

02:04:47.000 I don't know how to say this in English, but it's something that you hide the money that you're getting for a company, but if you get elected, you kind of forgive them favors.

02:04:56.000 You help them to get involved in a huge construction.

02:05:01.000 They're going to be in a stadium, then you help them somehow.

02:05:04.000 That was what happened in Brazil.

02:05:06.000 So he's in jail now, huh?

02:05:07.000 He's in jail, and then he elected a woman in Brazil, and she was impeached.

02:05:13.000 Oh.

02:05:14.000 And now we have this right-wing guy called Bolsonaro.

02:05:17.000 He's our new president.

02:05:19.000 And a very right-wing and connected to the army and connected to the church.

02:05:25.000 So there's a lot of discussions and abortion and drugs and everything that we are not going to have.

02:05:30.000 Is he popular?

02:05:31.000 He is.

02:05:32.000 He's huge.

02:05:33.000 Is he popular and also, like, hated by a lot of people?

02:05:37.000 He is a lot as well, yeah.

02:05:39.000 Of course.

02:05:40.000 The left hate the guy.

02:05:41.000 Yeah.

02:05:42.000 The things that he said, he was like, he was kind of crazy, but, you know, people loved him.

02:05:48.000 And how long has he been the president for now?

02:05:49.000 He's going to be for four years.

02:05:50.000 He was just elected.

02:05:51.000 He started in January.

02:05:52.000 Oh, okay.

02:05:53.000 He just started.

02:05:54.000 We don't know what this is going to lead us.

02:05:56.000 But the thing is, at the same time, he's more liberal.

02:05:59.000 Because the left in Brazil, all this talk about freedom of speech and everything else, our left was running the country.

02:06:06.000 Now we got this guy, and he is more liberal.

02:06:10.000 And even talking about the way he's going to run the country, the economy, and politics, and speech, and everything else.

02:06:16.000 So there's a little hope in that area as well.

02:06:19.000 So it's kind of tricky, because it's a danger in one area, and it's kind of a hope in another one.

02:06:26.000 I wish I was saying this in Portuguese.

02:06:28.000 It would be so much easier.

02:06:29.000 You don't even imagine.

02:06:30.000 I can understand.

02:06:32.000 Because it's like I'm trying, thinking.

02:06:34.000 Well, listen, brother.

02:06:35.000 Let's do a show together.

02:06:36.000 My friend, anytime.

02:06:37.000 Listen, I'm doing a lot of shows at the Improv, the Comedy Store.

02:06:40.000 I'll have you on one of those.

02:06:41.000 Thank you, my friend.

02:06:42.000 I want to see you do stand-up, man.

02:06:44.000 I would love to do a show with you, man.

02:06:45.000 That's cool.

02:06:46.000 Of course.

02:06:46.000 I just want to say thank you for everything you've done for stand-up in Brazil.

02:06:50.000 I think that's amazing.

02:06:51.000 Thanks to you, bro.

02:06:52.000 Thanks for doing this, my brother.

02:06:53.000 Thank you, man.

02:06:53.000 Thank you very, very much, brother.

02:06:54.000 All right.

02:06:55.000 Thank you.

02:06:55.000 We'll talk soon.

02:06:56.000 Bye.

02:06:56.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 11, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1243 - Rafinha Bastos

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