Comedian Dave Chappelle joins Jemele to discuss his new Netflix special, "I Am Who I Am" and how he's changing the culture of comedy. He also talks about the importance of comedians having their own voice and why it's important to have a voice in the world of entertainment. Jemele and Dave also talk about the current state of stand-up comedy and how it's affected the way we see it. They also discuss what it means to be a standup comic and what it's like to be in a world where comedians have their voice taken away from them and how important it is to have your own voice. And of course, they talk about Dave's new standup special "I am who I am" which is out now on Netflix and why he's one of the best comedians of all time. You won't want to miss this one! Thank you so much to Jemele for being a part of this podcast and for supporting Jemele s career and being a good friend of mine. I can't wait to see what she does next. I hope you enjoy the rest of the show. XOXO, J.J. and I hope it's as good as it gets bigger and better than the last one. -Jemele xx - Thank you for being my guest on Jemele's new show "I AM WHO I AM WHO CARES" and we talk about comedy and standup and comedy and comedy! -RICKY, J-E-JEANS - J-O-YO-R-A-J-J.O.S-JG-Y-D-JH-I-S.D.E.S. -J.E-S-E.J-O.A.T.I-M-R.O-D.I.T-JESSE -JE-A.A-T-A? -J-YA-SZY-C-JORDY-AJ-SZA-SORRY? J-IH-SOSO-S? -D-E? -A.M. J-U-S -A-M. -S.S? -S-I.E.,J-I S-O., J-L-I TH-O? -P.S., S-A TH-I HAVE A PODCAST?
00:00:32.000In fact, one of my closest friends, Bearded Humor, he's like, I would say...0.95
00:00:37.000If he was a stand-up comic, he would probably be in my top five in terms of creativity, in terms of talking about things in the moment and just all out funny.
00:00:51.000You know, the skill set for stand-up, I started 25 years ago, it used to be the only way you proved yourself as a person with any type of...
00:01:14.000I don't even know if people are as excited about stand-up As they used to be, and now it's excited about what's going to be the newest thing, what's going to be the hottest photo, the photoshop, and what's going to be the hottest image.
00:01:27.000Well, that's the easiest to get, right?
00:01:45.000But people are so, they're more critical of stand-up now more than ever.
00:01:50.000There used to be a time when you could just say what you wanted and people would say that person was outspoken, outraged, but they were themselves.
00:01:58.000But now you tell one joke, one blogger, one troller, Dissect your jokes and print your jokes.
00:02:26.000I think there's a direct backlash to political correct thinking and the type of policing that you're seeing.
00:02:37.000I understand police and stuff in the Catholic Church, police and stuff in the regular church, but you go to a comedy club to police, you're in the wrong place.
00:02:46.000And nine times out of ten, people that go to a comedy show, that walk out and protest, Their mindset was to protest before they even went there.
00:02:55.000They're just waiting for the trigger where it's just like, well, I never, and they'll leave.
00:02:59.000Well, it's a way to get a lot of attention.
00:03:01.000You know, being outraged at something, especially if you kind of have a point, like if you could articulate that point, it's a great way to get attention.
00:03:08.000With the people, the trollers and the people that...
00:03:10.000Yeah, I mean, there's a giant market for that.
00:03:13.000Like, if you think of, like, if you're a comic and you're a famous comic and you're outspoken, you know, and someone could take your bit and take it apart, like, They've done with Chappelle many times, right?
00:05:12.000So as much as people get stuff out of us, when you come to a show, we get now our psychiatric exam right on the spot.0.99
00:05:20.000Yeah, also, like, you could complain about some shit, right?0.90
00:05:23.000You can complain about someone saying something or something, or you could turn it into a bit, and you can get hundreds of people just dying laughing.0.99
00:09:30.000He's got to see that you have the paperwork for it.0.93
00:09:33.000I don't want to sound racist at all, but I don't know a black person that could tell that story that you just told about killing people.0.98
00:09:44.000Butchering up and transporting a dead animal.0.98
00:11:38.000And that narcissism is weird, that wanting it to be all about them, and they'll do sneaky shit like fake and attack.0.99
00:11:45.000Like, that's a symptom of that same kind of thinking.0.96
00:11:47.000It just got desperate and went in some crazy way.
00:11:50.000It was awful for some reason because you have people like, when that first went down, you have people that normally, people that you look at, okay, that's my friend or whoever, you've started having side eyes and that's just, it's just, it's so messed up and I think also it's messed up as much as people rode for him when they thought that it was an injustice or anything,
00:12:11.000Nobody's addressing it like, you know, this is our movement, these are things that we're trying to progress toward, but this was an isolated incident and just Say how awful it was.
00:12:35.000And it's also good that you get to see where that kind of stuff heads, where you're always looking to be a victim, to the point where you realize there's some sort of currency in being a victim, so people fake being a victim, so they can get all this fucking attention.0.94
00:12:55.000It's like the boy who cried wolf, and that's what's unfortunate about it, because anytime someone says that they were a victim of such a heinous crime like that, you want to believe them.
00:13:03.000You want to believe them the minute they say it.
00:13:05.000But with this incident, it makes you start second-guessing, and that's another thing that was awful about the whole thing.0.98
00:13:11.000And all the smoke he's getting right now that he deserves, because I've been tearing his ass up on Instagram, on everything.0.98
00:13:21.000I read a story once about this dude who said that he punished his daughter by making her sit in the backyard by a tree and then he went out there an hour later and she was gone.
00:13:31.000And he suspected that coyotes got her.
00:13:34.000And I remember thinking that story going, man, that just does not sound real.
00:13:44.000Well, it was like a not walking or anything?
00:13:47.000Well, he left the baby to punish the baby, like a two-year-old.
00:13:51.000Well, it turns out he really didn't do that.
00:13:53.000The kid died and he had stuffed it in some drainage ditch somewhere.
00:13:58.000I don't remember how the kid died and what was the reason for it, but it was one of those stories where you hear the story like, Jesus, this doesn't sound real.
00:20:46.000They're also pushing the boundaries.0.76
00:20:48.000They're the ones out there that are promoting ridiculous, preposterous comedy that's completely offensive but brilliant.
00:20:55.000That's one of the things that when we were doing the Chappelle Show, the one of the things I appreciate more than anything about that show was how it brought people of all races, all backgrounds together to do the thing that we all should have in common and that's to laugh.
00:21:11.000And also to not push the button but touch on racial stuff without having an angry undertone.0.98
00:21:18.000And that's what's so fucked up about America now.0.98
00:21:21.000Whenever you talk about race, it feels like one side, somebody has to be tense.0.99
00:21:30.000And I know things are intense, but we have to be able to laugh first.
00:21:34.000Once you get people to laugh, you can talk about whatever you want.
00:21:36.000And then even if a person is not in agreement or have the same thoughts...
00:21:41.000At the end of the day, you should be able to respect that person, and I think those same people should be able to share a laugh.
00:21:47.000Yeah, and there was a fun, silly, non-aggressive quality to the way you guys put together sketches that got the point across and everybody laughed.
00:21:58.000And when I draw to this day, when I travel, when I do my audiences, it's interesting because, of course, you would think I'm going to draw a certain audience because I'm black, which I am and I do.
00:23:12.000Same way when Deaf Comedy Jam came out.
00:23:14.000You know, you didn't see a lot of black stand-ups on TV, but they had this underground circuit that was bubbling, and it was the right time.
00:23:23.000When they pulled out, it was the right time.
00:24:31.000It was so many, when we did, funny thing, a lot of things, I used to do, I was a warm-up comedian for a Chappelle show.
00:24:39.000So whenever you saw a Chappelle show episode, and if you notice that whenever I came on screen, and I'm not being cocky, people would go nuts.0.99
00:28:18.000Like, if you look at two and a half years on that show, if you had an editor break down how many times I spoke, it would probably be a total of four minutes.
00:32:32.000And like now I see in comedy, like I go to some clubs, motherfuckers trying to do the lineup kind of soft, like, well, we can't put that person in front of that person because they won't be able to follow it, blah, blah, blah.0.99
00:32:43.000But it should be a point like when I started, like the baddest motherfuckers in the game, they went on stage.0.99
00:33:32.000After the second year of Chappelle's show, we weren't really making a lot of money on Chappelle's show because the show still hadn't been proven.
00:35:23.000And Bill Burr is the type of actor, you have no days off.0.99
00:35:27.000You have no, any of that, any little inkling of being off, you're just going to hear, yeah, I like the show, but the white dude was funny as a motherfucker, you know?0.98
00:35:37.000And you can tell at that time that Bill Burr was going to be a A start.0.98
00:35:43.000Whether it would have been movies or television, but as a stand-up, you know, he was one of the pound for pound, one of the dopest to do it.0.98
00:35:50.000And that tour went on for a fucking year.0.98
00:36:35.000And that's one of the things that when Charlie passed that I really appreciated about what the Chappelle Show did for him because when he passed away...
00:36:43.000Nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.
00:36:46.000Everybody was like, Charlie Murphy passed away.
00:36:49.000So he had his true identity, and that was Charlie Murphy.
00:37:16.000Dude, I was with Maury Smith, who used to be the UFC heavyweight champion.
00:37:20.000And Ivan Salivari, who's a guy who fought in the middleweight division of the UFC. And a couple other professional fighters at a table with Charlie Murphy.
00:37:28.000And Charlie was explaining how none of these motherfuckers know how to do a Chicago Ridge hand.1.00
00:37:33.000He's talking about some karate shit.1.00
00:37:35.000Oh, he was big on the karate shit!1.00
00:37:36.000But it's like Charlie Murphy's holding court, standing up, all these UFC fighters are standing back.0.99
00:37:42.000And Charlie Murphy's talking about Ridgehand.
00:37:44.000And he knew exactly what he was talking about, right?
00:38:13.000Yeah, his karate lineage, like he has some sort of a connection to some of my friends.
00:38:18.000I'd have to ask them, but he was like a legit martial artist, too.
00:38:21.000I saw one video of him in a martial arts contest, and it was, I don't know, I always tell him, I was like, yo, you knocked a 14-year-old, right?0.98
00:38:31.000I don't know how he, I don't know if it was a weight or whatever it was, and I was like, yo, that was a fucking kid you just knocked out.0.98
00:38:36.000He was like, yo, anybody in the ring could fucking get it.0.98
00:38:41.000Why are they putting kids in with him?0.99
00:39:35.000But you could tell, and I've been around him and I've been around his family, and you could tell when he was growing up, he was the guy that always had the center of attention.
00:39:59.000You know, it's interesting that you say that because I had to continue to do shows, do radio interviews and stuff, and the thing that people kept saying was, he was so young.
00:40:51.000And I know, Charlie, from the point of being in the Navy, To being with his brother, seeing his brother reach a certain height of success, being interested in the business, but kind of in there, but never really made your mark.0.97
00:41:08.000And then you get a platform that you become and get your identity and shit.1.00
00:41:15.000It's one of the best kind of success stories because it doesn't happen automatically.1.00
00:41:20.000It's that Frank Sinatra and I did it my way.
00:41:22.000And it's like, you know, people say what they want to say, but he put the work in.
00:41:28.000I remember when, I think the movie Eddie did called Norbit, right?
00:41:33.000And it came from a joke Charlie had.0.93
00:41:36.000The start of that movie, and I guess, I think him and Eddie was talking, whatever, and then, you know how, oh, that could be, ba-ba-ba, it could be a movie, and motherfucker Charlie called me and said, yo, man, I think I get this movie deal.0.96
00:41:58.000I'm talking about, I'm not talking about somebody, I've been writing this movie for six months or whatever, it's like, I'm about to go Block everything off and write this shit.0.84
00:42:08.000And no matter what anybody want to say about how good the movie was, what the critics say, anybody in this business, if you can do something where it goes from a thought And it goes to the paper and you can execute it.0.99
00:42:22.000How many motherfuckers can do that?1.00
00:51:35.000I might be on Netflix radar, but I don't have a deal with them, but I'm gonna, not by myself, but Dave Chappelle has gave me a verbal commitment that he's gonna produce my next special.
00:51:52.000So, with that said, I don't have a home, but I'm pretty sure The level I've been operating with my stand-up, you know when you're ready.
00:52:12.000I think the energy that I bring to a special right now, and then the energy that he would bring to producing for me, it would just fucking blow up.
00:52:22.000And this is not something like, I'm not calling Dave up every day like, dude, you got to do my special.
00:52:26.000Every time I work with him, he was like, you got to let me do your special.1.00
00:53:24.000You feel like you just can do whatever you want.
00:53:28.000Because you know if you're starting off with something new on that first one, you got four more.1.00
00:53:32.000By the time the night is over, you got that motherfucker.0.99
00:53:35.000Yeah, when you're doing reps the same night too, when you hit that third set, it's almost like you're in this weird flow state where there's no resistance between you and the ideas.0.99
00:57:40.000And that was one of those specials where, and that's what I'm saying with the next one I do, you never can plan stuff like that, but the energy I want to have is the energy out of that.
00:57:49.000It's like, this is going to change my life.
01:03:07.000See, when a guy like you is around me, or, you know, a guy like Tony Hinchcliffe, or people who are just going forward, who live in the comedy life, like you're writing, you're always writing new material, that's empowering.
01:04:21.000And I tell people all the time, if you liked any of the things that I've done, whether it was HBO's The Wire, Chappelle's show and other stuff, If you come see me do stand-up, you'll become a complete fan.
01:04:32.000Because like you said earlier, that's the one thing that we control.0.99
01:04:36.000We don't have to have an audition for that shit.1.00
01:04:38.000We don't have to motherfucking get tested for it.1.00
01:05:04.000And at the end of the day, no matter what success I feel, Joe, we get with this, whatever level, I'm in your big ass shit, you hit it.0.99
01:05:12.000You know, whether it's TV or movies, Nothing is going to ever be able to take away from you being a flat-footed motherfucker that can stand in an audience and you've built your stand-up name enough where,0.99
01:05:30.000for the most part of the rest of your life, you'll be able to create a good living off of your name, off of doing stand-up.0.95
01:05:37.000Hollywood don't have to call you for that.
01:05:40.000But if you respect what it is, that you have a relationship with those people, you have to write for them, you have to work on your stuff, you have to be diligent, you have to have an ethic about it.
01:11:52.000And I think it's so many examples of when you felt like he could have showed people example that he's for everybody opposed to just his base.
01:12:04.000And I think that's what makes people frustrated.
01:12:08.000He gives the impression that, you know, I only care about these people that elected me.
01:14:01.000That would be the great thing for Obama to say right after Bush.0.99
01:14:04.000And I'm going to tell you, one thing that kind of...
01:14:09.000I don't know, insulting or get people upset is like, you keep pushing the narrative, make America great again, make America great again.0.95
01:14:17.000You keep pushing it as if America was so fucked up before you took office, and that's not the case.0.77
01:14:24.000Like, when Obama took it from Bush, he was making America great again.1.00
01:14:58.000About Dick Cheney and George Bush.0.60
01:15:01.000Whenever I think about it, I say the movie about getting shot in the face.
01:15:04.000Because that's the only scene I want to see.
01:15:08.000Well, the thing about Bush and Cheney is that movie kind of makes it seem like Cheney was the guy pulling the strings, and Bush was this simple, happy-go-lucky guy who they just roped into being president because he was the son of a president.
01:16:13.000I think he probably, out of all the kids, I probably think that he probably was the one that thought a little outside of what their norm was.
01:16:21.000I think he was a successful businessman, too.
01:16:23.000Yeah, they didn't marry a Latino chick, if I'm not mistaken.1.00
01:18:24.000Like, if you could get to see that exact engagement in a good article in the New York Times on the front page versus one of Donald Trump's tweets.0.99
01:18:33.000The only two people that motherfuckers are just waiting for their tweets to come out is Donald Trump and Kanye West.0.93
01:18:38.000Those are the two most interesting tweet people.1.00
01:18:41.000Kanye West could just say grapefruit juice and fuck up all of the media the next day.0.54
01:20:29.000Kanye says, and then Dave yells out, You know what I think?
01:20:34.000I only talked to him once on the phone, but what I think from studying him and paying attention, because we're supposed to eventually do a podcast one day...
01:21:09.000You know how hard that was for the black community to hear them say that part?1.00
01:21:13.000Fuck, you can sell them a plane all you want, but when you say you're like my father, and then black people are sitting back like, could you please explain that?1.00
01:21:22.000So we think, then this was funny to me, then Kanye said, yeah, you're like a father figure to me.1.00
01:21:29.000Like, when I was younger, I thought he was going to hit me with the horrific, you know, father was in a shootout, a drive-by.0.98
01:24:17.000But I did a show upstate New York, and it was this white dude came up to me after the show, and he didn't have what looked like a Make America Great Again hat.
01:24:23.000He had a Make America Great Again hat, and it looked like he had the original one.
01:24:28.000You know how you got a Boston fan, and you're like, you've only been a fan.
01:24:32.000He was a fan of America, Make America Great before it.
01:29:51.000It was like the black comedy club in D.C. This was a time when Martin Lawrence was on fire, the Def Jam thing was popping, and they had on black comedy clubs.
01:30:01.000They'll just turn, okay, now it's a comedy club.
01:30:03.000Monique had a club that she made turn from a restaurant to a comedy club just because she got more business on the weekend as a comedy club than a restaurant and just took it over.1.00
01:30:12.000And I used to go heckle the comedians.
01:30:13.000And I was such a good heckler that people used to come to the show to hear me heckle.0.99
01:30:21.000They would be at the door like, yo, is that asshole dude going to be here tonight?0.99
01:33:09.000And then I would go do jokes when I couldn't do comedy because I would do that until I started making a name for myself and never looked back.
01:33:45.000If I'm not getting a lot of road work, I might as well try to get more film and television stuff to move out to L.A. And then when I moved out here, I started getting more personal appearances.0.96
01:33:55.000So basically, I moved to L.A. and became a road comic.0.99
01:33:59.000And I wasn't mad at it because after you doing it for a while, you just want to, where the fuck can I make money doing this shit?0.99
01:34:14.000And until now, like I do 40 weekends a year, but with me having a young kid now, I'm trying to focus more on film and television and get some more stable shit because I'm getting a little, you know, it's getting burnt.
01:34:27.000I hate to say this because I've said it too many times, but you should have a podcast.
01:38:48.000And with that situation, it kind of rung...1.00
01:38:53.000Home to me, because when it first was put out like this, I wish the fuck somebody would try to violate my brother or disrespect my brother.0.99
01:38:59.000I know how at arms I'd be ready to go.1.00
01:39:01.000So I had that, and that's what's so fucked about the whole shit.0.99
01:39:03.000He had so many people that was riding for him for different reasons, man.1.00
01:39:07.000And it's like really selfish for you to not give a fuck about how you're going to hurt people.0.97
01:40:53.000Like, people, it's almost like they're cocky, like, I know you're on Chappelle and a couple other things, but you know where I really love you from?
01:41:17.000If you were a fan of The Wire, you've definitely been a fan of The Corner because so many of the actors came back to do The Wire.
01:41:23.000After I watched The Wire, I wanted more and more content like that, so I went back and tried to watch it, but I actually enjoyed re-watching The Wire more.
01:41:31.000I liked the show, and my character was supposed to build out more, but the Baltimore Tourism Board was upset that every time someone goes shooting Baltimore, they depict it as a It's a drug infested,
01:42:21.000And when they brought me back to last season, I was nervous because HBO, the last season of any show on HBO, the writers get vindictive and they do nasty shit to the characters.0.94
01:42:29.000Like, to the last season of Oz, it was dudes getting raped on Oz that weren't even on Oz.0.93
01:42:34.000They was like, dude, I'm on Nickelodeon.
01:42:36.000I'm just trying to get to the bathroom, man.
01:47:05.000That's a tough thing to do, too, probably, to get that level as an international A-list superstar to still have the passion to do stand-up.
01:47:25.000Did you ever see that thing, it was about maybe a year or so ago, right when Bill Cosby was in the heat of all his trouble, where Eddie Murphy did some stand-up on a dais, like in front of a platform?
01:47:37.000Yeah, that was for, it was an award he got at the Kennedy Center.
01:50:32.000It was a couple of them, and then whoever that person was, you knew you were going to see them on TV or somewhere for like the next two years.
01:51:40.000But she was lying on her stomach in the parking lot to pretend to be a dead body because what had happened was these homosexual, in the Kinnison bit, these homosexual necrophiliacs were paying money to have a little bit of time undisturbed with the freshest male corpse.0.78
01:51:55.000So Kinnison lies down on stage and he's going, you imagine that?
01:51:58.000The fact he said undisturbed, like, Can you imagine?
01:52:00.000He's lying down on stage and he's like, wow, I can't believe this.
01:52:03.000I guess I'm going to go to heaven now and be with Jesus.
01:54:15.000But it's also one of those things where, like, there's lovable parts about that show because of the fact that she's kind of loony, you know, and she's self-admittedly loony and self-admittedly medicated.
01:54:49.000I like my celebrities with no brain injuries.1.00
01:54:52.000Now here comes the needle, the needle comes out and shit like injector.0.99
01:54:56.000Well, for Kinison, like Kinison was a, he was a groundbreaking comedian.0.99
01:55:00.000Like when I remember seeing him, and obviously I was only like 18 or 19 at the time, but I remember seeing him being like, oh, I didn't even know that this was comedy.
01:55:12.000He did a show where he would call up, he would have a phone, and he would ask some guy in the audience if your heart was ever broken by a girl.0.99
01:55:19.000And the guy would say, me, what happened?
01:57:06.000Yeah, well, the funny thing is about, he had some hilarious bits about being married, about the devil coming up to you when you're married.
02:01:03.000We can go to a fucking funeral and be in that motherfucker on the inside laughing like crazy.1.00
02:01:10.000And everybody going to be talking about, I'll see you in heaven when you go to heaven, assuming that everybody's going to go to heaven.1.00
02:01:19.000Everybody's not going to go to heaven.
02:01:20.000One of the best lines, one of the best one-liners I ever heard was from Dave Foley.
02:01:25.000I was on news radio with Dave Foley after Phil Hartman had gotten murdered by his wife and then his wife committed suicide.
02:02:32.000It's when you think about it, that's when it has to go down.
02:02:36.000That's why I have this bit about that dude who was visiting that uncontacted tribe and trying to convert him to Jesus, and they shot him up with arrows.
02:03:25.000You know, one thing that I think we should really say is we should really thank all the real comedy club fans that are still coming out.
02:03:34.000And one of the things that we're not getting, where guys like you and me perform, wild people, when we perform in front of comedy clubs, we're not getting a lot of pushback, man.
02:04:23.000You know, like people that, whether it's through Instagram, it doesn't have to be there, but they know this dude and they want to see him.0.98
02:04:31.000And that's the best shit, the crowd that comes out to see you.0.99
02:11:03.000It really is all about the animals for a lot of them, and they're really right that it's better than the standard American diet.
02:11:11.000That eating vegan food and healthy vegetable food all the time, as long as you do it correctly, is way better than the standard American diet.
02:11:18.000But it's also like fish is good for you.
02:11:44.000And then when people have an idea of something that they're doing that they think everybody should do, then they start telling everybody they should do it.
02:12:04.000Yeah, it was like one motherfuckin' turtle And I understand it reaching out, but now you can't fuck with plastic straws.0.99
02:12:14.000Yeah, there was someone, I retweeted their post, I wish I could remember who the fuck said it, but they were laughing about how you can't buy straws, but at Starbucks they still have those plastic lids.0.99
02:15:44.000Yo, LA, when you go back to the West Coast, I mean, any other coast from LA, when you go back, people are like, I got weed, and you'll be like this, what strand?0.99
02:15:54.000And they're like, what the fuck do you mean what strand?0.59
02:15:57.000I got some loud, I got some fire, I got some gas.0.99
02:19:48.000They will let you fly out of LAX. Yeah, I'm waiting for one of you motherfuckers to get caught with that because you're the third person.0.99
02:19:53.000Not caught, but you're the third person to say how easy it is.1.00
02:24:00.000And he brings it around people that have been drinking, so now you gotta mix the smell of fucking rum with his goddamn lavender machine.0.99
02:24:07.000And he only has one machine, so once he gets you addicted to it, you gotta chase him.0.99
02:27:58.000Just if I've recorded, I know there may be an app, but if I've recorded my voice memo, is it important just to have my voice, or it has to be on a certain...
02:28:46.000But as long as you put the effort to give people a good, solid product, occasionally you can have one where you're just talking on a phone.
02:33:32.000And it's like, you know what I'm saying?
02:33:33.000Like, the conversation you're having with me right now, it's simple for you because, you know, those are the type of friends and those are the type of people you deal with.
02:33:41.000But some people, you know what I mean?
02:33:46.000Like, I look at it like people I hang with, Chappelle and these other guys, like, I went around some powerful motherfuckers, but we're friends first and foremost.1.00
02:33:56.000But everybody don't think like that.0.97
02:34:58.000Yeah, but the thing is, like, Jim and I have always been friends, and I've been friends with a lot of people that made me eat shit, going on after them.0.99
02:35:05.000The thing about it is that, like, and even after all these years, I feel genuinely, genuinely honored to be a part of this group of people.
02:37:02.000Collectively, there was a period of time where Hollywood lost their fucking mind, and they were giving out these deals where if you got a certain amount of episodes, they signed you up for 100 episodes.0.98
02:37:10.000And that's what happened with Anger Management, the Charlie Sheen show.0.98
02:37:14.000Charlie Sheen made more money off that show than he did even off Three and a Half Men.
02:37:43.000I don't know how it's structured, but apparently the point is that they sign up for a giant number of shows.
02:37:48.000Not 13, not 22. They sign you up for a giant number of shows.
02:37:53.000And by doing that, somehow or another, right after Charlie Sheen had his whole scandal leaving two and a half men, he went on to make way more money than ever before.
02:40:49.000That's one of the reasons why that 12-step shit works.0.99
02:40:51.000We really give in to God or the higher power.1.00
02:40:54.000It's like you're going to have to somehow or another think there's something more important than what you're doing, otherwise you're never going to stop this shit.1.00
02:41:00.000Yeah, but those people become like big sex addicts and shit too.1.00