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00:00:18.000Georgia, I'm going to give you one before you leave.
00:00:20.000Take it, throw it in the garbage, do whatever you like, sir.
00:00:45.000I don't remember what we were tweeting about, but all of a sudden, Giorgio tweets me back, and I tweet him, and I say, you want to do my podcast?
00:01:51.000When you hear stuff like that, you're in the business of this wild, crazy UFO world where so many people look down on anything that's even remotely outside of the mainstream.
00:02:22.000That's like, you know, if you want to piss in the well, What you do is you throw a bunch of shit in there that really makes sense, like the CIA killed JFK, and, you know, we were in Vietnam for money, and the military industrial complex really does run things, just like Eisenhower said.
00:02:39.000Plus, there's a base on the moon, and we've been going there telepathically for years, and what we do is we have a place where we go where we teleport people, and you have to be naked, and that's why women aren't allowed to be on the base.
00:02:49.000And then you go, what the fuck are you talking about, man?
00:02:52.000And by throwing all that wacky shit in there, you kind of piss on all the stuff that is interesting.
00:02:58.000Because, you know, you can say, well, wait a minute, this guy said that the CIA killed Kennedy, but didn't he also talk about the wacky shit on the moon?
00:03:08.000So, I mean, to me, it's a very easy solution.
00:03:12.000You go with your gut feeling, because there are people out there that say some really crazy stuff, but at the same time, some of the stuff they do say also carries some merit.
00:03:27.000At the end of the day, you just have to let it go and be like, all right, that's what those people are talking about.
00:03:34.000I'm not going to, you know, subscribe to it.
00:03:36.000I think it's crazy, whatever, but that's your own choice.
00:03:39.000Because in the end, we all make a choice of what we believe in, what ideas we subscribe to, and if some of that stuff is crazy, guess what?
00:03:50.000I mean, if you look at Science Today, a science book, there are all these different theories in there and ideas, and it's pretty much the cutting edge of knowledge.
00:04:03.000But if you look at a textbook from 200 years ago, which was published at a university, that too was considered the cutting edge of knowledge at the time.
00:04:13.000Now, if you look at that textbook today, 200 years later, and 99% of that knowledge in there is obsolete.
00:06:37.000He gets, like, he's sure they have a population decrease plan where they're going to kill off I'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility.
00:07:04.000Your business, though, is filled with that.
00:07:07.000I mean, look, there are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy, and we have already spotted so many of them over the last couple decades, or a couple years, rather, that are in the Goldilocks zone, where they know could possibly inhabit life.
00:07:34.000And the fascinating thing is that, you know, in the 60s and 70s, when Eric Von Daniken first wrote Chariots of the Gods, you know, the general consensus in the 60s and 70s was that this discussion was even more taboo than it is today, obviously.
00:07:50.000You know, it was like, you know, maybe we're alone in the universe and there was only a handful like Frank Drake and Carl Sagan who proposed the idea or dabbled with the idea that, you know, we might not be the only ones in the universe.
00:08:03.000In the mainstream legitimate scientific academic community.
00:08:08.000You'd be hard-pressed to find any scientist or any astronomer or astrophysicist that will tell you that they think we're alone in the universe.
00:08:17.000So we've definitely switched where it's almost a given now that everyone thinks that their intelligent life exists in the universe.
00:08:27.000However, the big taboo topic that we have today that still remains is, okay, they'll say there is life in the universe or in the galaxy, but there is no way that that intelligent life could have ever been here or visited Earth in the remote past or even present day.
00:08:56.000But just because we can't get from point A to point B doesn't mean another society that, like you mentioned or you said or inferred, that they're a billion years older than us, or their world at least is a billion years older than us, Well, I mean, we are a very, very young culture by any means of the imagination.
00:09:17.000So someone that's only 100,000 years older, I mean, they have technologies or other type of something where they combine biology with technology and things like that that we couldn't even dream of right now.
00:09:32.000Yeah, our imagination is the only thing that limits us from seeing what they could possibly be.
00:09:36.000We have given them a thousand years in advance of us, a million years, or even a few hundred years, man.
00:09:43.000Look what Nikola Tesla was doing in the early 20th century, and look at what's going on today.
00:09:51.000I mean, that's a gigantic, monumental leap in just a little over a hundred years.
00:11:44.000And that is the same allegory I sometimes like to use is if you have some patio lighting out on your patio and you have a cat, and that cat likes to go outside on the patio every night and You know, look up to the sky or look up to the patio lights, sees the lights, and the cat might think, yeah, this is very pretty, it's beautiful, but that cat has no concept of what goes into those patio lights, that there's electricity, plastic, wiring, all these different things.
00:12:13.000Which means that that is exactly the concept of extraterrestrials as well, that they can conceivably show up as some type of shapeshifters or something, and not just into people, but into objects or something, because they would use...
00:12:30.000Exactly the same what we use today, and that's technology.
00:12:46.000And my theory is that, the idea is that if you couldn't smell, if you didn't have a sense of smell, you would have no idea that farts existed.
00:12:56.000You had no idea that you were just sitting in someone's ass gas, right?
00:13:01.000But because you have a sense of smell, this invisible thing all of a sudden becomes a reality.
00:13:06.000How do we not know there aren't a million different senses, a million different things that are around us all the time that we just can't tune into?
00:13:13.000And all some alien has to do is tune into something that's outside of our spectrum.
00:13:18.000Tune into something that's not within our natural ability to perceive.
00:13:22.000I mean, our natural ability to perceive is very Similar to the people that lived 10,000 years ago and were throwing fucking, you know, pointed sticks at moving animals.
00:13:31.000There's very, very little difference between us genetically now and then.
00:13:35.000So how do we not know that the systems that we have in place are all in place for the natural world, all in place for, you know, you hear animals, you know, you see moving things, you know, you smell food, you know, they're all in place to keep us alive and keep us successful.
00:13:51.000We could very well be developing new senses because of Wi-Fi and because of all these cellular signals and the way human beings...
00:14:30.000There's aliens watching us in this room.
00:14:32.000How did you get into your field, and how did you get on Ancient Aliens?
00:14:38.000Well, for that, I really have to thank my grandma, because growing up, I traveled around the world with my parents, and they made sure that we would go to all those different museums and archaeological sites and things like that, and have guided tours by the resident archaeologist or the resident curator and stuff like that.
00:15:02.000But then, whenever I would come back home, my grandma would say, all right, so you've just been taught about the contemporary ideas of these particular cultures, but let me show you that other ideas and theories exist as well.
00:15:20.000She would tell me about, you know, the ancient astronaut theory and chariots of the gods and all those different viewpoints that have been proposed by others.
00:16:27.000And, you know, so the question, you know, so today, especially, you know, now that my parents are like, you know, For a long time, they were like, ah, you're wasting your time with this, yada, yada.
00:16:38.000And now all I have to say is that, you know, I am here because of my parents and my grandparents, and so it was their fault that all this happened.
00:16:47.000What year did Chariots of the Gods came out?
00:17:50.000Well, I would say it was weird the first time we actually hung out and had a conversation and stuff because I had gone to some of his lectures when I was in my early teens.
00:18:15.000Yeah, 1998. And Legendary Times is basically all about ancient civilizations.
00:18:21.000Yes, and it's specifically geared towards ancient civilizations in respect to the ancient astronaut theory.
00:18:29.000Suggesting or exploring the idea of whether or not extraterrestrials, flesh and blood extraterrestrials, visited Earth in the remote past.
00:18:38.000And by that, I don't mean, you know, a hundred years ago, but we're talking five, six, seven, eight thousand years ago from today, Sumerians.
00:18:47.000When you look at it, when you look at the Sumerian text and you look at von Daniken's work, what is your gut impression?
00:18:53.000Would you, I don't think you, if you're not making a conclusion, Which way do you lean?
00:18:58.000Do you lean 50% that they were here or 50% that maybe something else happened?
00:19:08.000What gives you the most hope or the most reason to believe this?
00:19:13.000Well, because I sometimes liken it to when you're completing a puzzle.
00:19:19.000It doesn't matter how big the puzzle is, but the more pieces you put together, the more pieces you fit into place, even when that puzzle is not yet completed, and we've all done puzzles as kids, it gets easier as you move along.
00:19:35.000But you can stop somewhere three-quarters of the way And you can look at that puzzle and you know exactly what the picture looks like even though it's not yet complete and there's a couple of pieces missing.
00:19:49.000So that is what the ancient astronaut theory to me is like.
00:19:54.000That there are so many indications from all ancient cultures that the conclusion, in my opinion, is inescapable.
00:20:02.000And I'm not just saying this because I'm pulling this out of my ass, but because there are stories and there are physical pieces of evidence that the only conclusion that we can draw, unless we go into the realm of the fantastical and the unlikely, Is that we have been visited by flesh and blood extraterrestrials in the past.
00:20:26.000But what is, like, if you were going to try to convince somebody, what is the most compelling evidence in your opinion that, you know, you said there's evidence where you cannot draw any other conclusion.
00:20:37.000Well, you know, and this is where I truly enjoy and respect the work of many archaeologists around the world, because they are excavating different sites and different monuments, and they're truly breaking their backs for some fantastic research.
00:20:56.000However, sometimes when you look at that researcher and some of the ideas that they present, there are some faults in logic there because they, for example, suggest that we have moved a block that's 1,500 metric tons heavy with a piece of string and some chicken bones.
00:21:22.000And today, our cranes, they tap out at 1,350 tons.
00:22:12.000It made it easier to move rocks or anything like that?
00:22:15.000No, it doesn't make it easier to move something that big.
00:22:19.000What the possibilities are, there's two in my opinion.
00:22:23.000There's his idea that we've been visited by ancient aliens.
00:22:26.000And then there's the idea that civilization has been restarted several times, and that is that there's some sort of a cataclysmic event that's killed almost everybody except for a small amount of stragglers, and they regrouped and rebuilt and rethought things out, and that's one of the reasons why things come so quickly.
00:22:43.000Technology is moving so fast, as your mom said, or it was your grandmother, whoever it was, that we are relearning.
00:23:32.000And obviously, did they know how to cut stones and how to transport them and things like that.
00:23:38.000However, I'm not really interested in moving around stones that are cut from limestone or from sandstone and things like this.
00:23:48.000But what I'm interested in is stuff like this, where it was cut out of granite.
00:23:53.000We're out of diorite, where still today we use diamond-tipped saws in order to cut any of these blocks that we cut today.
00:24:03.000And allegedly our ancestors did this with copper tools.
00:24:06.000And I'm sorry, somewhere the logic just fails.
00:24:11.000The logic certainly fails that that technology that we attribute to those people...
00:24:15.000Because we have to put them in the Bronze Age and the Copper Age.
00:24:18.000We can't put them in the Age of Steel.
00:24:20.000But to me, the logic is much more likely that we're wrong about the Age of Bronze and the Age of Steel and that people had figured out diamond-tipped tools.
00:24:30.000Didn't they find markings inside the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid of Giza that they believe were attributed only to diamond-headed drill?
00:24:51.000Abydos is where they have those weird hieroglyphics.
00:24:53.000But in Abuzir, you have what's known as signatures of core drills.
00:25:01.000And a cord drill is basically, if you imagine a steel tube tipped with diamonds that drills itself into the ground or into the rock, and then you break it free, you take out that tube, and inside of it you have like a pipe of that, a cord drill sample of that particular rock.
00:25:18.000Now in Abuzir we find multiple stones where we can see a signature of these types of machining that took place there.
00:25:29.000Now, a lot of people have said, oh, well, these are all modern-day occurrences, and it was done when the first modern-day cord drill machine was invented in the early 1920s.
00:25:42.000Now, when you look at the book that Sir Flinders Petrie wrote, that book was written in 1906, And it already had drawings of those cordial holes in them, which proves that these cordial holes that we can find at Abuzir are not modern-day creations.
00:26:03.000And that is absolutely crazy, because Christopher Dunn, one of my colleagues, Who wrote the Giza Power Plant, he proved, because he's a machinist, I mean, he's an engineer, and he knows this stuff, like the back of his hand.
00:26:19.000So it's not like, you know, somebody walked along and said, this is how it is, but this guy, that's what he does for a living.
00:26:24.000He builds machines and he, you know, precision mechanisms and things like this, so he is trained for that kind of, you know, investigation.
00:26:43.000And so, you know, there's some just wild, wild pieces of evidence that we have out there, like in Puma Punku, for example.
00:26:52.000In the Bolivian highlands, at an altitude of 12,500 feet, there is this magnificent place called Tiwanaku that every day hundreds of tourists arrive there and they look at it, they take pictures, and then they leave as clueless as they arrived.
00:27:09.000And about 150-200 yards away from Tionaku, there's another site that's very much lesser known called Pumapunku.
00:27:21.000And at Puma Punku, everything defies, logic is defied at Puma Punku because the blocks of stone that we have there are pure diorite, andesite, and granite.
00:27:33.000And they are so perfect that we today would have a hard time recreating some of these blocks.
00:27:42.000And I actually spoke to a real-life stonemason, his name is Roger Hopkins, and he looked at some of these pictures that I showed him of Puma Punku, and he said that not for any amount of money or for any amount of time would he volunteer to try to replicate some of these rocks, some of these blocks.
00:28:05.000And if a real-life stonemason says this, I mean, God bless the professors and the archaeologists, but I'd rather listen to someone who cuts stone for a living than someone who stands before a blackboard.
00:28:19.000But this guy who cuts stone for a living, what he said was that it could be done.
00:28:23.000He said it would be really hard, and he wouldn't want to do it for any amount of money, but that it could be done.
00:28:34.000If we know that, if we know that it could be done with modern technology, wouldn't it be more likely that modern technology is sort of a recreation of what people did learn in the past, and that they probably were wiped out by some sort of a cataclysmic disaster?
00:28:50.000That, to me, seems way more likely than...
00:28:54.000You're saying if it would be really, really difficult for people to do it today.
00:28:58.000Well, there's a lot of stuff that would be incredibly difficult for people to do today.
00:29:02.000I'm not necessarily suggesting that aliens move to rocks.
00:29:07.000What I'm saying is that the aliens that visited Earth gave the technology or taught the technology to humans because what they wanted to do is to leave behind messages that they were here in the past.
00:29:24.000So all those incredible monuments that we have today, like the pyramids of Giza or Stonehenge or Pumapunku, for example, or Newgrange, all these magnificent sites in Cusco, Machu Picchu in Peru, that all those places are messages for a future generation that all those places are messages for a future generation to understand that something way different happened in our past.
00:29:48.000That is the main reason why, for example, we have religions today today and things like this.
00:29:55.000So you think that pretty much all science emanates from some sort of an alien contact?
00:30:09.000What age do you think people had technology that sort of any fucking nut that crashed and, you know, the TV show Lost crashed on an island and you could recreate?
00:30:40.000My point was that if in 10,000 years' time people have gone from being cave-dwelling savages that were throwing pointy sticks at moving animals to...
00:30:53.000People with cell phones and the internet and wireless, and this is all created, you know, inarguably by human beings.
00:30:59.000There's a record of all these inventions and all these creations.
00:31:02.000If this has been achieved over 10,000 years, what's to say that there wasn't some sort of a massive disaster that happened at the end of the last ice age or somewhere in there 20,000 years ago, date it, 15,000, whatever the fuck it is, and that...
00:31:18.000Technology died, and that civilization died, and it had to be reinvented by the surviving humans basically from scratch.
00:31:26.000And that even though human beings had been around for a long, long, long time before that, and civilization had evolved to an incredibly high level, all that information was lost.
00:31:35.000That, to me, is way more likely than aliens.
00:31:44.000When, let's say, the Sumerian culture sprung out of virtually nothing, and it happened virtually overnight, The Sumerians were very clear in stating that they got their start in civilization by what they referred to as the Anunnaki.
00:32:00.000And the Anunnaki translated into English means those who from the heaven came.
00:32:17.000But the translation, even a quote-unquote mainstream scientist or sumerologist will say that Anunnaki means that.
00:32:26.000I mean, that is not, for example, Sikirai.
00:32:29.000There are quite a few things that he translated, you know, quote-unquote himself.
00:32:35.000So that's definitely a valid point, but the great majority of what he's talking about has been translated correctly, and he has used many of the most accessible and correct translations that can be found today.
00:32:52.000But even in the epic of Gilgamesh, don't they refer to a long-gone superior civilization that existed before them?
00:33:00.000Yes, but that civilization always lived, quote-unquote, somewhere else and in the great dark void.
00:33:27.000What I'm saying is that, like, you know, I firmly believe that there's life out there.
00:33:31.000I mean, I think the possibility is, you know, the numbers, you know, and I think it's also very possible that it's reached us.
00:33:38.000But I think if you look at what's more likely, if we absolutely know that people can build immense structures, if we absolutely know that civilization, most likely, because of all these historical...
00:33:53.000You know, depictions of natural disasters, whether it's the epic of Gilgamesh or Noah's Ark or a hundred different cultures that have stories of apocalyptic disasters.
00:34:03.000And the volatile nature of the earth itself, the fact that we know it's covered in craters, the fact that we know that every planet, we look at the moon, we just see craters all over the place.
00:34:11.000We know about the shifting of the polar ice caps.
00:34:27.000I just think that if we know for a fact that human beings are capable now of doing spectacular things, and we have said already that if we existed 100 years more, man, imagine what we would know.
00:34:40.000Just imagine what has sprung out over the last 100, 300 years.
00:34:45.000You know, and I think you add a few hundred years to that or a thousand years to that, it's not unreasonable, in my opinion, to think that 10,000 years ago there was some sort of an event, some sort of a catastrophic, maybe it's 15,000, whatever the fuck you name it, a catastrophic event that fucked this world sideways and killed almost everybody.
00:35:04.000To me, that is just way more likely than these people got it from some higher intelligence.
00:36:30.000But, you know, it is definitely a combination because the bottom line is that all these ancient cultures are very adamant and very specific in saying...
00:36:39.000That this all happened because of a visit from beings from the stars.
00:36:44.000I mean, the star thing is very prevalent.
00:36:47.000If it were a previous civilization, or if it were, let's say, human beings, because sometimes people say, well, how come you're not talking about that maybe it's our civilization from the future that traveled into the past to help us with certain developments?
00:37:06.000Well, that can't be true, because nowhere in the ancient texts do we find any reference where it says, well, we're just like you, but we're from the future.
00:37:16.000Maybe it's just future bullshit artists.
00:37:18.000That's what those little gray dudes are.
00:37:21.000They're us from the future, but they fuck with us the same way we fuck with monkeys.
00:37:25.000Like, yeah, if you get in the cage, I'll give you a banana.
00:37:29.000And the monkey gets in the cage, and you just steal him, take him to the zoo.
00:37:33.000And you give him that banana, and he's like, what the fuck?
00:37:35.000The crazy thing about Zachariah Sitch, when people question his translations, are the things that he got right in the 70s, that we're finding out just today, in like 2001, 2002, that in the stories that he's talking about, he's saying, in a nutshell, That this hyper-advanced race created us as slaves to mine gold because they needed gold dust particles to suspend their atmosphere to protect their planet.
00:38:00.000Well, we just discovered in the 2000s that, hey, you actually do protect atmospheres by suspending metallic products.
00:38:07.000How the hell did an archaeologist know some astrophysics?
00:38:14.000Yeah, well, it is possible that they were really sophisticated 7,000, 8,000 years ago, and they knew that we were eventually going to run into the same problems again.
00:38:23.000I mean, maybe they were burning shit back then that was eating up the ozone layer.
00:38:27.000Maybe they were fucking with chemicals back then, just like we are now.
00:38:30.000So that would mean they were super smart.
00:39:07.000I mean, They have completely such detailed astronomical knowledge which was not corroborated until the early 1960s, and there's still people that say, oh, this is a complete hoax, when it really isn't.
00:39:22.000I mean, they knew about invisible stars that were then later truly corroborated by NASA and other astrophysicists.
00:39:55.000No, I'm just referring to, you know, because people, you know, archaeologists may, or debunkers, are saying, well, you know, you guys attribute everything to alien intervention, and, you know, you undermine human ingenuity.
00:40:08.000You're suggesting that, you know, our ancestors were stupid.
00:40:11.000And nothing could be further from the truth, because obviously nothing happened in our brain development in the last 50,000 years.
00:40:38.000There was one huge difference, and that is their technological frame of reference was different or smaller than what we have today.
00:40:46.000So when we have stories of flying shields or dragons or smoking snakes and plumesnakes and things like that, then my question is, well, what was it exactly that our ancestors tried to describe with their vocabulary?
00:41:07.000The vocabulary for rocket or for, you know, so they had to liken a rocket to a blazing oven or something like this, or, you know, a gleaming bronze monster and things like that.
00:41:20.000And so when archaeologists then say, Well, you know, you're saying that I undermine human ingenuity from the past.
00:41:28.000It's like, no, I'm really not, because I am reading to you exactly that these same people said that they received their knowledge from these humanoid beings that descended from the sky.
00:41:41.000So you think that that's the most compelling piece of evidence to you, is human beings' depictions of what was going on, like the Vimanas or, you know...
00:41:54.000See, and that's the great thing about the ancient alien theory, that you can, you know, it's such an interdisciplinary field of research that, you know, you can look at ancient Egypt and you can look at South America and draw correlations.
00:42:09.000I mean, they found, you know, crazy correlations between those two cultures, for example, where they found cocaine in mummies and things like that, where cocaine was only, you know, available in one country...
00:42:21.000And so something definitely happened that there was trade between all continents, and personally, I suggest that trade didn't necessarily happen on water, but that they actually had...
00:42:38.000Because that is what the ancient texts are saying.
00:42:41.000Not only in India with the Vimanas, but also in the Hebrew and in the Ethiopian cultures, you have the story of King Solomon and his flying carpet and his flying machine.
00:42:53.000Didn't your show take an artifact and recreate it?
00:43:01.000It's from South America, from Colombia, and it's a gold funerary object.
00:43:07.000It's a totem that hundreds, I'm sorry, thousands and thousands of those little artifacts have been found, and they were usually shaped in the form of frogs and insects and fish and crocodiles and things like that.
00:43:23.000However, out of those thousands of funerary objects that have been found, About eight were found worldwide that looked like modern-day airplanes.
00:43:34.000And so these two engineers, one doctor and one engineer, in Germany, what they did is, in the mid-90s, in 1996, they took one of those little funerary objects and they blew it up To ratio and to size without adding an inch or subtracting an inch.
00:43:56.000I mean, they just basically blew it up to about three to four feet long.
00:45:33.000Yeah, so, Tolimar region in Colombia, and pre-Columbian artifact, and it's, you know, so those are all those little things that, you know, all fit together somehow.
00:45:49.000And in my opinion, they had something to do with flesh and blood aliens who visited in the remote past.
00:45:56.000It's so weird that our history is so incomplete.
00:46:38.000The guy was standing up going, you know, you're talking about the Sphinx predating 9,000 B.C. Where's the evidence of this culture that's willing to...
00:47:07.000When geologists look at the Sphinx enclosure and they...
00:47:11.000And they show photographs of the water, the water erosion of the fissures.
00:47:16.000They're 100% agreed that it's water erosion due to thousands of years of rainfall.
00:47:23.000By the way, rainfall too, not just flooding, not like one crazy flood, no, thousands of years.
00:47:30.000So that just shows you it has to be older than 9,000 B.C. because that was the last time there was flooding or there was a rainforest in the Nile Valley.
00:47:38.000No, and the crazy thing is also that their research is corroborated by other research as well.
00:47:44.000When my colleague Robert Boval came out with the Orion mystery, and when he suggested that if you look at the three great pyramids at Giza from a bird's eye perspective, you see that the three are, you know, sort of lined up, but not completely.
00:47:59.000They're not in a straight line, that the smallest pyramid is a bit off.
00:48:03.000And he's like, well, that's really strange, so what's going on here?
00:48:07.000And then he determined that these three pyramids are, in fact, built to the exact ratio of Orion's, the three stars in Orion's belt.
00:48:15.000I had heard, though, that the only way you could see the three stars from that angle, you would have to look at everything upside down from, like...
00:48:25.000That it doesn't actually work that way.
00:48:51.000However, what he did determine is the fact that the time, if you were to put three floodlights on top of each tip of the pyramid and fire it straight into the sky, you know, like at the Luxor in Las Vegas, the big beam, the time when the three tips of the big beam, the time when the three tips of those pyramids would line up exactly with Orion's belt, and you have software for this where you can, you know, rewind back the night sky on the computer these days.
00:49:20.000It would be in 12,500 years ago, which Boval labeled or is known in Egyptology as the Golden Age, when the gods still walked amongst men.
00:49:36.000And so the fact that the Sphinx also dates to 9,000 BC, well, that's the Golden Age that everybody talks about in Egypt.
00:49:48.000Really, 9,000 BC, thousands of years earlier, it has to exist because of the thousands of years of rainfall.
00:49:53.000So you are talking maybe 10,500 BC, maybe 11 or more.
00:49:58.000And there are ancient texts that talk about these previous cultures or these previous periods of other kings that lived in the Egyptian region.
00:50:15.000But they're considered to be fantasy stories by archaeologists.
00:50:21.000Right, even the pictures of the pharaohs of like 34,000 years ago, aren't there?
00:50:26.000I mean, I believe John Anthony West has stated that it goes back almost 30,000 or more years.
00:50:31.000There is a king's list out there, and everybody can go Google this tonight.
00:50:35.000It's called WB44. And that king's list absolutely will boggle your mind because it basically lists...
00:50:45.000A combined age of kings that ruled for a half a million years before our culture.
00:51:33.000Where if you travel at close to the speed of light, if on your spaceship five years pass, and you travel at 99.9% of the speed of light, 5,000 years pass here on Earth.
00:51:48.000And that's just the theory of relativity, which is, you know, and it takes time dilation into account.
00:51:55.000I mean, like anyone that flies a lot, those people are actually...
00:52:03.000So the more you are in motion, the slower you age.
00:52:06.000And so this is a mathematically viable and proven theory that if you travel close, which of course we are not capable of doing yet, but just because we human beings can't do it doesn't mean it does not exist.
00:52:22.000And that's the big, you know, argument.
00:52:24.000So this dude would, like, come down here, fuck with some shit, and go, yeah, I'll be right back.
00:52:29.000And then he comes back, like, 16,000 years, because to him it's only a year.
00:53:03.000It was a complete misunderstanding, a misinterpretation of our ancestors who didn't understand the nuts and bolts technologies behind these visits, and so they started to worship these people.
00:53:20.000That they were being worshipped because, you know, it would be the same thing that if we arrive on a planet one day in the future, 5,000 or whatever years from now, and we find a quote-unquote intelligent species but they're a bit primitive, yeah, well, you know, we'll push them a little bit in the right direction, show them how to complete agriculture and medicine and architecture and all those things.
00:53:44.000And then, we'll just say, okay, we're going to disappear again.
00:54:27.000I really need you to pay attention to this because I think that the biggest threat that we face on December 22nd, 2012 is the massive hangover.
00:55:14.000Yeah, well, even he, right before, or a year before he died, he rephrased his theory by saying that if at all Nibiru were to return, it's going to be around 2036 or 2038 or something like that.
00:55:32.000But, you know, that's neither here nor there because the bottom line is that the big problem with 2012 is the fact that it's not even 2011 right now.
00:55:43.000That's what nobody talks about, that, you know, we, our calendar...
00:55:47.000It's wrong, because there's a couple of arguments that you can make, and that is, you know, if you look at our quote-unquote history, we went from 1 BC to 1 AD without a year zero, which means that we are already at least by one year off, so it's either 2012 already or it's still 2010. And then, you know, we don't know whether or not our calendar...
00:56:13.000We also know that Jesus was not born in the year zero, but scholars, and I'm talking theological scholars now, have determined that Jesus was born between 5 and 3 A.D. So, right there...
00:56:31.000So, right there, we've got another five years, considering the fact that we're being told that our calendar began ticking on the day of Jesus' birth.
00:56:41.000So, long story short, the third argument is also that it is now Berkeley scholars and scholars at a university in Rome Have determined that in the Middle Ages, when the monks were in charge of recording our dates and everything like that, that they also made a mistake up to five years.
00:57:08.000So, the interesting thing is that, to make a long story short, that we could be as far off as ten years with our current date.
00:57:19.000And if you take into consideration when...
00:57:33.000Some have suggested that we're off by 200 years.
00:57:36.000And these are not people that just pulled this stuff out of their butts, but they're scholars at universities who have studied this stuff.
00:57:46.000And so the bottom line is that the whole 2020 2012, it's nothing else but complete hysteria and nothing, let me repeat, absolutely nothing will happen next year.
00:58:01.000Dude, you've got to talk to Daniel Pinchback because he's written books and he doesn't agree with you.
00:58:34.000If we're following their timeline, then...
00:58:37.000It must be 2012. Oh no, absolutely, you're right.
00:58:40.000But if our calendar from the very beginning is wrong, then we are basing our wrong calendar on their calculation.
00:58:50.000Right, but if we're basing our wrong calendar on their calculations and it lines up with what we call 1919, what we call 2012, then shouldn't it be that they got the lunar eclipses right, so they got 2012 right?
01:00:02.000The Mayans, not once, not once did they ever say that the world was going to end.
01:00:09.000The only thing they said is that one period of time ends, and a new period of time begins.
01:00:16.000So it could be that, you know, if you believe, some people believe that time has certain qualities to it, that there are times when things are easier and times when things are harder, and that this is literally like an ebb and flow like the tides, and that perhaps what the Mayans were predicting is just some new stage of humanity, some new stage of existence, some new stage of the earth and the universe, that things just keep flowing in this sort of a circular direction.
01:01:43.000No, I just think that, you know, Jesus, you know, was a historical figure, was able to move people, but that he was the Son of God, in my opinion, is nonsense, because we are all the sons and daughters of God.
01:01:56.000We all have the divine within our hearts.
01:01:58.000But what kind of proof, I mean, you've studied a lot of ancient cultures, obviously.
01:02:02.000Do you know of any proof that would...
01:02:11.000We have texts that have been written down at the time, like the Qumran texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and things like that.
01:02:19.000So, I mean, obviously nobody took a picture, and, you know, there are some...
01:02:25.000Well, the Qumran text is where you get real squirrely, because the Dead Sea Scrolls, that's where they trace it back to an ancient Sumerian word.
01:02:31.000Christ is an ancient Sumerian word that means a mushroom covered in God's semen.
01:02:35.000Well, interestingly enough, what's also fascinating and what many people don't know is that before Jesus, there were 15 other crucified, quote-unquote, saviors in human history.
01:02:51.000And so it's all very bizarre that, you know, Christianity claims that he was the only one, which is completely...
01:03:18.000And you think that's just like some alpha male chimpanzee thing where you look for the alpha and you think somehow, you know, that at one point in time there was a super alpha...
01:03:28.000And the super alpha had all the answers.
01:03:30.000Is it just a myth to keep people going?
01:04:11.000Well, yes, but here's the thing that, you know, I mean, if you want to look at the Old Testament where we have a description of quote-unquote God, in the ancient Aslan opinion, whatever or whoever was described in the Old Testament, and this is exclusively referring to the Old Testament, it has nothing to do with the New Testament.
01:04:32.000That whatever or whoever was described in the Old Testament, by all means, was not God.
01:04:39.000That being or that humanoid creature that was here was misinterpreted or thought as God, as something divine, something spiritual, something more advanced, something magical.
01:05:11.000Because, see, a lot of people say, well, does that mean you're an atheist?
01:05:15.000Does that mean you don't believe in God?
01:05:17.000And, you know, because a lot of debunkers, or actually creationists...
01:05:22.000Are always using Albert Einstein as their best example, where they say, see, even Albert Einstein, he believes in God, so, you know, we must be right with our ideas.
01:05:35.000Well, that is only half of the story, because when Albert Einstein was asked as a journalist, when a journalist asked Albert Einstein, do you believe in God?
01:05:46.000What Einstein said, and anyone can go and look this up, is the fact that He replied by saying, Well, dear journalist, before I can answer your question, we have to define what your definition or your idea of God is.
01:06:06.000And then the journalist said, Well, I believe in the Old Testament God and Creator.
01:06:12.000And then Albert said, Well, if that is your definition of God, then I respectfully will tell you that I do not believe in God.
01:06:22.000And then he's like, well then, so what are you talking about?
01:06:25.000And Einstein then explained his definition, or his idea of God and the universe, and the order that we have in the universe amidst chaos, and he said, and if that is what, and this to me is my idea of God, that there's some order to the universe, because, you know, God does not throw dice.
01:06:48.000So, therein lies the difference that, yes, I do think that there is an all-encompassing force out there, but it's not a personal God.
01:06:57.000It's not where, you know, I pray and then all of a sudden I'm praying for something to happen.
01:07:03.000I mean, that to me is a waste of time, to be honest with you.
01:07:07.000It's like, if you want something to happen, you've got to go out there and do it yourself, no matter what the odds are.
01:07:12.000You do, but I think the reason why the idea of prayer exists is because people can manifest things with their own thoughts and staying positive and focusing on a goal and making things happen, to a certain extent.
01:07:31.000See, therein, to me, that's where it gets a bit wacky, because the moment that you correlate your own powers, your own connection to the universe that you have, the moment that you connect that to a personal God and put everything that you have...
01:07:50.000You basically deny all responsibility.
01:07:53.000You say, okay, fine, God will take care of it.
01:07:57.000That, to me, is such a cop-out attitude.
01:08:04.000No, be responsible for your own actions and don't rely...
01:08:09.000No, I completely agree, but I think that that's where the idea of prayer came from, the reason why it exists to this day, because you can sort of make things happen if you focus on them for a long period of time, and people who have been successful at making things happen have, like, stepped back and said, look, you know, we made this happen by prayer.
01:08:45.000Do they just seek out people with, you know, sort of fringe beliefs and people that are experts on these subjects?
01:08:52.000No, it was actually a very funny story, and that was, if you remember, in 2008, that new Indiana Jones movie came out, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and it's kind of a disaster of a movie, in my opinion, but whatever.
01:09:05.000They're making another one, can you believe it?
01:09:14.000They just don't seem to be making the same quality of movies.
01:09:16.000Anyway, the great thing about the movie itself was the idea behind it was great, but the execution was horrid.
01:09:25.000It was basically an ancient alien movie where he was chasing a crystal skull, and the crystal skull happened to be extraterrestrial origin, this and that.
01:09:34.000So the History Channel made a two-hour documentary about Indiana Jones and the feasibility behind all the stuff that he chased down.
01:09:44.000And so it was one segment about crystal skulls in which I appeared and talked about the possibility whether the Mitchell Hedges skull, for example...
01:09:58.000The Mitchell Hedges skull is one of the most perfect, or actually the most perfect crystal skull.
01:10:50.000And what did you say about this skull?
01:10:52.000Some of them have been disproved, right?
01:10:54.000Yes, and there's no question about it.
01:10:56.000In fact, you know, with this one here, it's so magnificent where you can actually detach the jawbone from it, which means that it's from the same crystal, which means it had to be one big freaking rock out of which this whole thing was made.
01:11:19.000And when Mitchell Hedges, or the actual caretaker, after Mitchell Hedges died and Anna took over or kept the skull, she and her, this other dude whose name escapes me right now, I think it's Dan Nisarino or something, they brought it in the 1960s to the labs up in the Bay Area of Hewlett-Packard.
01:11:45.000And even in the day, of course, only the best scientists worked at these particular factories and labs.
01:11:55.000And when the Hewlett-Packard scientists were Done with all their research, their conclusion was very simple.
01:12:06.000And they said, and I quote, this skull should not exist.
01:12:11.000And meaning that they did not find any tool marks, they did not find any polish, any evidence that this thing was polished or anything like that.
01:12:22.000And even more crazy is the fact that each crystal, it grows in a particular axis.
01:12:28.000In order to work crystal, you have to turn the crystal at high speeds in that direction of the axis.
01:12:35.000And according to the Hewlett-Packard people, it was ground against its grain.
01:12:40.000And that would shatter Every crystal that you would do this to, and the Mitchell Hedges skull, it still exists, and it shouldn't.
01:15:11.000It's like, to me, you know, especially the Chariots of the Gods argument that, you know, from Daniken has been debunked and things like that.
01:15:50.000When was the last time you saw a scientist or any author or whatever...
01:15:55.000Give, you know, 30 years after their first publication and say, well, you know, on page so-and-so I made a mistake.
01:16:04.000When Chariots of the Gods came out as the 35-year edition, the 35-year anniversary edition, Eric wrote a 16-page preface to the new edition, And in that, he pointed out exactly which mistakes he made in the 1960 or 1970 book, on what page, and on what happened here.
01:16:39.000For a long time, we thought that this might be something that is of extraterrestrial origin, or at least that extraterrestrials taught these metallurgists how to pour this pillar of iron, because up to that time, it didn't corrode, it didn't rust, and it had been around for...
01:17:14.000In case a piece of evidence turns out to be wrong or false, if you eliminate that piece of evidence, it only makes the overall theory stronger because you eliminate false stuff.
01:17:29.000So to suggest that just because there were a few mistakes in Chariots of the Gods, which Eric openly admitted to, that doesn't mean that the whole ancient alien theory all of a sudden becomes irrelevant.
01:17:40.000On the contrary, it makes it more stronger.
01:18:37.000The fact that university professors...
01:18:40.000Because, as you know, you're in TV, you have to disclose what show you're calling from or what show you're going to be on.
01:18:47.000You can't just, you know, put a question mark there.
01:18:50.000So the fact that university professors are now coming forward, especially for Season 3...
01:18:56.000To appear on that show, I mean, that speaks volumes.
01:19:00.000I mean, it's huge that all of a sudden, you know, Eric Von Danik and Childress and I and Martel and Coppens, we're surrounded by people from MIT talking about ancient aliens.
01:19:10.000And what are exactly these professors on about?
01:19:18.000Well, I mean, we, for example, in this episode that airs tomorrow, Aliens and the Old West, We have professors, not only do we have elders, Native American elders, who are talking about the idea of star people in the ancient American West,
01:19:37.000but also there are professors that we've gotten from universities and curators of museums where they corroborate the stories about the star people.
01:20:07.000Things for the first time would be able to be recorded because in ancient Native American times, their traditions were brought from generation to generation...
01:20:27.000You know, the whole thing was recorded all of a sudden.
01:20:30.000And so we have very old recordings talking about these star people that came, allegedly, a long time ago.
01:20:38.000And so that is a huge, huge part of...
01:20:43.000Of our theory that there are entire cultures, for example, Native Americans, that talk about the kachinas descending from the sky in Flying shields, and they were very adamant, because of course Native Americans, you know, believe in the spiritual realm, there's no question, but they're also very adamant to say that there are two worlds.
01:21:08.000There is the spiritual realm, and then there is also the physical realm, and that the star people were part of the physical realm.
01:21:18.000And here we are to say, oh, well, you know, they didn't know what they were talking about, because they were just all high.
01:21:42.000But at the same time, there were always these different levels that, yes, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the spiritual realm does exist.
01:21:53.000But we also have a physical realm in which our ancestors said that somebody came In a physical form.
01:22:02.000So you think that there's probably some sort of an advanced life or some sort of a different life in a non-material form as well?
01:22:17.000Of something, something else, some sort of intelligent life.
01:22:21.000And then there's physical life as well.
01:22:22.000And you know me, I'm the nuts and bolts alien guy, right?
01:22:25.000But at the same time, I would be a fool.
01:22:28.000To deny or to even suggest that an ethereal realm does not exist.
01:22:34.000Because that would render our physical world completely useless, if that's all there is.
01:22:41.000Because a lot of people are saying, well, you know, if you die, all that's going to happen is that, you know, they're going to basically just pull the plug from the computer hard drive and things like that.
01:22:51.000And that's usually the argument that they give.
01:22:53.000But the bottom line is, That's not necessarily true because if you keep your computer in a very safe place and you can leave it there unplugged for a million years, if you find a power source a million years down the road and you plug that computer back in, guess what?
01:23:12.000Everything on that hard drive is still there.
01:23:15.000So what if the hard drive is the soul?
01:23:17.000And therefore, once we die, our soul goes with us.
01:23:39.000What do you think of Kurzweil and Ray Kurzweil's ideas of downloading human consciousness into intelligent computers and the idea of you will be able to duplicate yourself and live forever in some sort of cyber environment?
01:24:05.000Yeah, no, but the thing is, you see, and that's why movies like The Matrix, the first one, was so wonderful, because those are all fantastic and interesting ideas, but to me, I'm a big subscriber to Reincarnation.
01:24:36.000If you look, for example, at the Daya Lama or a lot of Buddhists, you know, who believe in reincarnation or Hindus and things like that, they always talk about how you will get reincarnated here on planet Earth as another being or another animal or whatever.
01:24:53.000But see, to me, that's all very limited thinking because while I do subscribe to reincarnation, there is no way, in my opinion, That we would only reincarnate here on Earth.
01:25:04.000We can reincarnate throughout the entire universe.
01:25:07.000And that is why some people, when they come back to Earth, they're considered maybe old souls, or they're more intuitive to everything that they might have been here before.
01:25:16.000So you think there's one universal bank of souls for the entire universe, and that everybody has to dip into it, no matter what, you know, you're on planet fucking Sirius or whatever, you know, you all dip from the same souls, and so, like, you could die here and then re-emerge on planet, go fuck yourself in the middle of nowhere.
01:25:34.000Yeah, and somehow, but somehow with the same quote-unquote instincts or knowledge, because there is something that's out there, it's called the eternal spirit.
01:25:45.000And that is that we all consist of particles and elements, and every 60 days, our entire bodies are completely recycled, because, I mean, we're completely changing...
01:25:59.000Oh, okay, well, whatever it is, it's the complete recycling of a body, which is absolutely mind-boggling.
01:26:06.000Yeah, it's pretty crazy that it's seven years...
01:26:08.000And we're being bombarded by this cosmic dust, and that is what we consist of.
01:26:13.000And this one French philosopher, Jean Chiron, in his book called The Eternal Spirit, or The Eternal Particle, suggested that each time one of our particles in our body travels through the universe, no matter what it passes through, if it's a stone or some type of a being or something...
01:26:59.000Because we're all made of the same stuff.
01:27:02.000And if these particles all record the same stuff, then we are all one.
01:27:08.000See, if you take a piece of skin and you put it underneath the electron microscope and you go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper, everything wobbles, everything vibrates, it's all exciting down there.
01:27:29.000Now, you take a piece of this metal cup right here, which is considered to be inorganic or dead material, and you put a little piece under the same electron microscope, and you go deeper and deeper and deeper.
01:28:11.000And we consist of nothing, too, because while we can touch ourselves and touch other people and the sensation of touch and all this, it's all complete.
01:29:43.000I think that was back when people were ignorant about the functions of different areas of the brain, and now they've attributed different areas of the brain to different functions.
01:29:49.000I think the more they understand about the brain, the more they realize that's a misnomer.
01:30:10.000Well, go ahead and say what you were saying.
01:30:12.000Well, anyway, so the idea, let's operate under the assumption that, you know, we only use about 5% to 8% of our total brain power.
01:30:23.000As one guy suggested, a philosopher, he said that the brain is the last untamed beast in the universe.
01:30:30.000And that is true because every single thing that we see each day, every single thing that we hear, everything that we say, our brain records it.
01:30:52.000And then, of course, there are people who are great at memorizing lines or memorizing texts or whatever, or have photographic memory.
01:31:03.000Or autism, where they can remember everything.
01:31:06.000Well, you know, and also, you know, normally, quote-unquote, functioning people.
01:31:09.000I mean, you know, it's amazing how, you know, some people have the, quote-unquote, gift to recall certain things and some people don't.
01:31:17.000And that is where I think, you know, the last frontier lies, that we could conceivably, you know, access way more of our brain power and then you could move proverbial mountains.
01:31:31.000The 10% of the brain is absolutely a myth.
01:31:47.000They know what part of your brain works for different areas.
01:31:49.000They did not know at a certain point in time in history, and that's when people started kind of chirping that and saying it back and forth.
01:31:56.000So through the wonders of the internet, we just cleared that up.
01:31:58.000See, and this is why you never stop learning.
01:32:05.000What do you think about all this Nazi shit?
01:32:07.000Because one of the things that's fascinating about the Ancient Aliens show is how much the Nazis were into the occult and the Mahabharata...
01:32:20.000And trying to recreate things that were in ancient scriptures.
01:32:23.000I mean, the Indiana Jones thing, they kind of got into it with the...
01:32:31.000And, you know, there's something to it.
01:32:35.000And the Nazis were obsessed with that shit.
01:32:37.000But if they were just some fucking coups, you know, which they clearly were in one way, but they were also so fucking advanced with rocketry and with science and, you know...
01:32:47.000I mean, so many companies came out of Nazi Germany, you know.
01:33:11.000Yeah, no, look, I mean, there's definitely something that can be said about this, and the whole idea, because many scholars say that Hitler and the Nazis were never into the occult.
01:33:23.000And that is simply untrue because we have found, or they found, documents, because the Nazis were immaculate record-keepers, as we know, and it says that these expeditions to the North Pole to find, you know, openings at the North Pole and the South Pole, that these expeditions truly did exist, that the real society and the Tula society really existed and things like that.
01:33:50.000And I personally find it fascinating, but I've got to be honest with you, that to me, it's not ancient enough to talk about egos, because that was 70 years ago.
01:34:01.000My ancient aliens, some people consider 70-year-old people ancient, but I don't.
01:34:08.000So my aliens happened thousands of years ago.
01:34:11.000So you're a Sumerian, Mesopotamian type.
01:34:14.000Egyptian and ancient Greece and things like that.
01:34:17.000But at the same time, You just never know.
01:34:22.000And it would be foolish to not listen to those stories or to look at these opinions because you just never know.
01:35:16.000Compelling figurines and compelling drawings that, compared to modern days, are eerily similar to modern day astronaut suits.
01:35:27.000And, you know, a lot of times the debunkers are like, okay, so you're suggesting that the aliens were here, and why on earth would they wear the same suits, or why would they need suits like our modern day astronauts?
01:35:40.000Because they were a little more advanced than us.
01:35:43.000If there were us in a hundred years, we would need suits.
01:35:45.000Right, but that's the exact argument that, you know, if we can't go to the moon without a suit, so why would aliens, if they're, you know, oxygen-based people as we are...
01:35:57.000Or people that need to breathe oxygen for their life support.
01:36:02.000So to suggest that aliens are so vastly different than us, I have a hard time with that.
01:36:08.000I mean, there's some people that have suggested that aliens are just these, you know, blobs of slime.
01:36:15.000And I'm like, okay, that's possible, but, you know...
01:36:19.000That would defy nature, because nature is very efficient.
01:36:24.000And I think that the building blocks and requirements for life are pretty much given throughout the entire universe.
01:36:31.000And so that if something happens here, you know, to think that aliens would exist like in the Hollywood movies, that's a bit too much for me.
01:36:40.000I mean, look, it's great entertainment.
01:36:43.000But do I think that that is how it is in reality?
01:36:48.000I think that we're all pretty much, you know, the same out there.
01:36:52.000You know, more advanced, obviously, but looks-wise?
01:36:55.000Because all those ancient carvings or descriptions and paintings that we have, you know, especially if you look at the ancient Hindu gods, they look like us, beautiful, but just with blue skin, for example.
01:37:08.000But they weren't, they didn't have four, well, in India, yes, they did have 20 arms.
01:37:12.000But, you know, so, you know, there's definitely something to be said that, you know, we think that we have depictions that show potential extraterrestrial visitors in the past.
01:37:28.000You must dominate some late-night hippie pussy.
01:37:32.000Sitting around, you know what I'm saying?
01:37:34.000Sitting around smoking weed with some chicks at a party, and you drop some of this ancient alien knowledge?
01:37:40.000Dude, you must just knock it out of the fucking park.
01:38:31.000Because what this theory or this whole extraterrestrial question is about is whether or not extraterrestrial life not only has been here, but also whether they're here right now.
01:38:45.000Whether they're reptilian or if they look like Oompa Loompas, it doesn't matter.
01:38:52.000The fact is that having an extraterrestrial presence on planet Earth, not only today, but for thousands of years, that is sensational enough than to suggest, yeah, you know, they're coming from planet so-and-so, their spaceship's name is so-and-so, their commander's name was so-and-so.
01:39:11.000I mean, that is, to me, all irrelevant garbage.
01:39:14.000And that is why the mainstream is not listening to these stories, because it's complete buffoonery to suggest what planet they're from, what their spaceship's name was, what their propulsion system was.
01:41:32.000Yeah, no, but for example, we're talking about entire churches and buildings that are carved into the ground in Ethiopia at Aksum and at Lalibela, where apparently a...
01:41:47.000A version where possibly the Ark of the Covenant is still buried or hidden today.
01:41:56.000Now that's what got Graham Hancock into his whole journey that he went on.
01:42:01.000He was a mainstream reporter, and he was covering some political unrest in Ethiopia, and he started talking to some of the people that guard the temple, where they say the Ark of the Covenant is inside.
01:42:40.000And what's really fascinating is that each and every guardian of that Ark, they eventually go blind, which is really fascinating to think that you're guarding this object that only you are allowed to see, if at all.
01:42:56.000And each and every one of these guards has gone blind.
01:43:45.000Well, according to the ancient astronaut theory that I represent, the Ark of the Covenant was nothing else but a container in which an extraterrestrial food dispensing device Was stored in.
01:44:50.000So there is a, in the Hebrew Zohar, there is a, sorry, in the Kabbalah, there is a text in the Kabbalah called Zohar.
01:45:02.000And the Zohar describes an ancient of days that traveled with, during the 40-year wanderings, Through the desert that this Ancient of Days was with them all the time, and the Ancient of Days has been interpreted as the Old Testament God.
01:45:19.000And so, these two engineers came along, and they read the description of it, and they said, you know what, this does not sound like a deity at all, but it sounds like some type of a machine.
01:45:30.000Now, mind you, those guys were engineers, electrical engineers, so they weren't, you know, some hobbyists or something like this, and one guy was also a linguist at the same time, so...
01:45:41.000They look at all these translations and look at all the different interpretations, and they found that some of the earliest translations of the Ancient of Days wasn't, in fact, the Ancient of Days, but the transportable one of the tanks.
01:45:58.000Now, that is very bizarre that you have this thing that had to be disassembled and assembled every week after a certain amount of time where this machine or this object was taken apart with different parts that were connected with tubes and there was a huge light source and it was just this magnificent thing that they determined dispensed the mana Through big giant
01:46:29.000tanks and also through tubes and things like this, that, you know, that is the reason why we have the Sabbath today, because on the Sabbath the machine had to be cleaned.
01:46:50.000But at the same time, it's very compelling because the texts are exactly saying that, that on Friday and Saturday, you're not going to get fed because this quote-unquote deity had to be taken apart and cleaned.
01:47:03.000And it was an extremely meticulous and dangerous process.
01:47:09.000People who did not know how to operate or how to, you know, conduct themselves in the presence of the transportable of the tanks, they dropped to the floor dead.
01:47:20.000And then they would lose their fingernails.
01:48:29.000Well, you know, like I said, I believe that there's some shit that human beings have discovered a long fucking time ago and then rediscovered it.
01:48:36.000If human beings created the pyramids, and that is the general consensus, right?
01:48:43.000But with the assistance of extraterrestrial technology...
01:48:48.000Because that is what ancient texts, for example, the Al-Hitat or Al-Kitat are saying, written by the Egyptian historian Al-Makritzi, that the pyramids were built by Zaurit, who was a king, and his people, with the assistance of the guardians of the sky.
01:49:06.000And in our interpretation, of course, the guardians of the sky were advanced flesh and blood extraterrestrials who taught mankind how to use certain machinery.
01:49:18.000So, Zachariah Sitchin believed that the pyramids were never tombs, they were never built as tombs.
01:49:24.000He believes that they were beacons for the Anunnaki.
01:49:29.000Yes, I mean, that is definitely a possibility.
01:49:32.000Personally, I agree with the notion that the pyramids were never tombs, because even when the first time that the pyramids were, allegedly the seals were broken, No actual bodies were found in there.
01:49:49.000And what's really fascinating is the fact that, you know, the pyramids defy every single other structure in Egypt because you walk inside any tomb in Egypt and the walls are filled with hieroglyphics and really, I mean, it says exactly when it was built, by whom, and how, and when, and what, and where.
01:50:11.000And you go inside the pyramids and they're completely anonymous except for a couple of cartouches that the debate is still out whether or not these cartouches are in fact forgeries or not.
01:50:21.000So that mystery has not yet been solved, despite what mainstream archaeologists are saying.
01:50:28.000When they've dated the Great Pyramid back to 2500 BC, what have they used to date that?
01:50:37.000And I love that you just asked that question because...
01:50:42.000The great misunderstanding is that, you know, when they...
01:50:47.000There's a lot of people that say, you know, when they dated the Sphinx or when they dated the Pyramid and when they...
01:50:53.000And right there, you need to take a step back because nobody was actually able to do that because you can't really date stone because stone is an inorganic material.
01:51:05.000If you carbon date something with what they call the C14 or carbon 14 method with dating, you can only date something that's Of a living material, like bones or coal or textiles and things like that, because what they do is they measure the half-life period of radioactive isotopes.
01:51:27.000And so that's how you can accurately date, for example, an old fire pit that has been found.
01:51:34.000And many times archaeologists are dating a fire pit and then they come up with a The test yields a particular date, let's say, 500 BC, and then they say, well, okay, that means that the site itself also dates from 500 BC. And that,
01:51:54.000in my opinion, is a logical fallacy, because just because a fire pit dates to 500 BC doesn't mean that the stone structure was also built in 500 BC. They can't date stones, right?
01:52:27.000That's weird that they're using Gobekli Tepe, though.
01:52:29.000For folks that don't know, it's right now considered to be the oldest structure ever discovered.
01:52:34.000And they're saying that it's 6,000 years before Mesopotamia and Sumer, which was previously considered to be the cradle of civilization, the oldest.
01:52:42.000And they're saying that this was all constructed back when people were hunter-gatherers.
01:52:46.000But if that is what they're saying, how can you say that if it's just fire pit shit and bones and whatever?
01:52:52.000No, and the thing is also that, you know, on the little Mediterranean island in Malta, which is right next to Sicily, there are megalithic structures, megalithic meaning gigantic stones that are, you know, 250, 500 metric tons heavy, these slabs that have been transported from somewhere else, put into place with incredible precision.
01:53:14.000And some of these have dated to 12,000 BC, when allegedly we were just, you know, munching on bananas.
01:53:21.000And how do they date these to 12,000 BC? Also, again, with bones and with, you know, having found fire pits.
01:53:28.000But that does not mean that the stones themselves have been placed there even earlier.
01:53:32.000Look, there is a method out there called the thermoluminescent dating method of stone, Where you can conceivably date stone, but it's a bit inaccurate because what happens is if you polish or cut a stone, the oxygen in the air, there's a chemical reaction that takes place with the surface of that stone and they can somehow measure this...
01:54:03.000But it's a very expensive way Of testing something.
01:54:08.000Many universities, unfortunately, don't have the money, so they don't do that.
01:54:12.000The third way is where each time that you have an ancient stone, over time, because we were talking before about erosion and If you have thousands of years of rainfall, what is left over?
01:54:38.000And the thicker this film, or this patina is, the older the stone.
01:54:44.000So, people have, in fact, been able to measure the patina And people have determined that some of these cuts are thousands and thousands of years old, meaning they're not modern-day creations.
01:55:00.000And right there, it just bothers the mind because it was certainly not cut with bronze tools or with chicken bones, as we're led to believe.
01:55:08.000If you had the opportunity right now, if the government came and they picked you up and Air Force One and flew you to Washington, I said, listen, dude, we're going to offer you something.
01:56:36.000And I'm like, well, because, you know, to me, this has really nothing to do with belief, because belief always has this quote-unquote religious connotation.
01:56:44.000It means that if you believe something, you have to have faith.
01:57:49.000Because in the end, that's all what it comes down to.
01:57:52.000And he basically suggested that a Type I civilization is capable of harnessing the energy resources of their own home planet.
01:58:01.000A Type II civilization is able to harness the energy resources of their solar system, and a Type III civilization is able to harness the energy resources of their own galaxy.
01:59:04.000You know, one thing I was going to ask you about before when you said they found those little things and they rebuilt them and put propellers on them and they were like a plane.
01:59:12.000I saw the pictures of those, but it also looks like they kind of modified the wings a little bit to make it actually fly.
01:59:20.000Couldn't that have been just easily like a statue of a bird or something like that?
01:59:26.000It doesn't look like they modified the wings.
01:59:28.000I mean, yeah, the wings on the actual statue is just like a flat...
01:59:32.000That has to be curved in order for it to get flight, you know?
01:59:36.000Yeah, but the thing is that it actually, in the same collection of totems or funeral objects that have been found, they did find carvings or creations of birds.
02:00:14.000Yeah, this is stuff that I took all around the world.
02:00:18.000Now, for example, you know, because I was saying earlier that obviously our ancestors did know how to cut stone and move objects and move stone blocks and things like that, so there's absolutely no question about that.
02:00:53.000So if you look, for example, at this structure right here, obviously it's a type of a stone quarry where blocks were cut out.
02:01:05.000So, you know, there's no question that stone blocks were actually cut out of these particular sections right there.
02:01:17.000However, if you, and this here is on the back entrance in Peru, in an area called Ollantaytambo, and what you have here is two blocks that were cut out of the side of the mountain.
02:01:35.000One at the very top, where if you look closely at this particular photograph, the top one, the top block, or the top slab, was released by, you know, having three cuts on the left, on the right, on the bottom, and then one blade that went down on the back.
02:01:52.000But I want you to pay attention to the bottom square of this particular slab that was cut out, where you can see the four sides have been cut out, and then the back.
02:02:05.000But there is no access point to this particular, to the back, because if you look closely, the bridge that connects, or that is between the top part, or the top slab that was cut out, and the bottom one, There is no access point.
02:04:05.000The Nazca Lines, Machu Picchu, those crazy people with the skulls, where they deformed their skulls to make themselves look like fucking the Coneheads.
02:04:24.000I mean, look, one thing that's really great in my opinion is that archaeologists agree that Peru has the culture, the ancient culture of Peru are the Incas.
02:04:39.000And what's fascinating is the fact that today the archaeologists agree that a pre-Inca civilization did in fact exist.
02:04:49.000But not a single archaeologist agrees who the hell those pre-Inca people were.
02:04:58.000So, this is where, you know, your previous idea and theory definitely comes into place, or fits, that there was a type of highly advanced civilization back in the past that nobody knows even what date, and some have suggested 10-15,000 years ago.
02:05:16.000That that civilization might have been wiped out.
02:05:20.000Because Pumapunku, for example, is such a region or a site that was 100% built by a pre-Incan civilization.
02:05:32.000And still today, archaeologists are fighting over who these people were.
02:05:36.000We had a buddy on the other day, Tom Segura, who had been to Machu Picchu several times.
02:05:40.000And I was saying that I had read something.
02:05:42.000I believe it was Graham Hancock's speculation about Machu Picchu.
02:05:45.000That at one point in time it was at the site of water.
02:05:57.000It's right next to Lake Titicaca, which is the highest navigable lake in the world at 12,500 feet.
02:06:06.000And still today, the train tracks that drive or that go through the Bolivian highlands and the Peruvian highlands are filled with mussels and with fish bones that are thousands and thousands of years old, proving that that area used to be under seawater.
02:08:49.000They look like, you know, it looks like an airport.
02:08:52.000And there's absolutely no doubt in that, that it looks like an airport.
02:08:57.000So, for example, look, right now we've got a rover on Mars that's, you know, driving around and it's leaving behind these tracks.
02:09:06.000So we're suggesting that at some point a long time ago, some type of an unmanned or possibly even manned craft landed at NASCA to conduct the core drills and core samples of the ground to determine what's in that area.
02:09:22.000Because still today, NASCA... There's a bunch of drilled holes, right?
02:09:37.000So if you want to know about planet Earth, you can go to NASCA, and by conducting a few days of research, it's like the cliff notes of planet Earth, essentially.
02:09:47.000And so imagine if you had a bunch of natives there, and all of a sudden this thing lands that conducts a bunch of research.
02:10:13.000These funerary objects that are 1,500 years old that look like planes that are from Central and South America, doesn't it make more sense that they had planes?
02:10:44.000No, but the thing is that, you know, the bottom line is that at NASCA, what's really odd is that we have done some research there where we found, you know, higher levels of arsenic in areas where there shouldn't be any arsenic.
02:10:57.000There are very bizarre magnetic fields there where you can put down your compass and it keeps on spinning and things like that at the beginning and at the end of these runway looking like strips.
02:11:09.000And so something definitely happened there because the whole idea that it was very easy to build these things is nonsense because people have suggested, oh, all you have to do is you have to scratch off the surface of the...
02:11:23.000Of the ground, and then you expose the lighter or the darker underground with the pebbles and things like that.
02:11:31.000We've tried that, and people have tried it.
02:11:45.000They flattened them out and stretched them out and...
02:11:47.000Well, and here's the crazy thing, that archaeology even has an answer to this, and they say that the reason why, and this was achieved by binding the infant's head upon birth with wooden boards, so that the brains or the brain chamber would grow into this elongated fashion.
02:12:09.000And the archaeologists are saying, well, yes, of course, they did this because they were mimicking or worshipping their gods.
02:12:17.000And then they pat each other on the shoulder, and then they go home and say, case solved, mystery done, we're out of here, this is it.
02:12:25.000And that is exactly where I say, no, the mystery is not solved, because the question is, okay, you just said...
02:12:34.000That this was done in order to worship the gods.
02:12:37.000Well, my question is, who were these gods?
02:12:40.000That is the question that the archaeologists are not answering.
02:12:43.000Are there any images that they have of these gods?
02:12:47.000Well, for example, all over ancient Egypt, which by the way, the skull deformation phenomenon also happened in ancient Egypt.
02:15:10.000Your job is so cool that if there was ever a chick that was like a little bit out of your league, you could always say, you know, I'm going to Machu Picchu next week and I want you to go with me.
02:17:54.000No, that, you know, many ancient cultures based their whole calendar on the return of the gods, and it just so happened that, you know, both Cortez and Pizarro happened to arrive on those shores in the same year...
02:18:41.000Yeah, that's part of it, but, you know, to me, that's, you know, it's a bit, kind of, it's very elitist in a certain way, because...
02:18:51.000Even though those theories have been proposed, that all of a sudden this red-headed guy appeared with a red beard and things like that, and that's why he was worshipped.
02:19:02.000I mean, I don't think that people or that those cultures back then were so shallow.
02:19:07.000I think it has more to do that this Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan character If he was a red-headed guy, that he flew around in this flying or plumed or winged serpent.
02:19:20.000And that this winged serpent, we all know that snakes do not fly.
02:19:25.000When you eat enough mushrooms, they do, bro.
02:19:51.000The thing is that today, if we see a spaceship or a UFO, we can immediately recognize it as a spaceship or a UFO. Back in the day, if you didn't know what that was,
02:20:09.000It doesn't matter how many mushrooms you took, you still had to describe it with something that was a spark of inspiration or a spark of something that motivated or inspired all these stories.
02:20:22.000But how do we not know what these stories are?
02:20:26.000It's people's memory of someone else who had seen people who were flying around.
02:20:32.000And it was thousands and thousands of years ago.
02:20:35.000So over time, these stories get more and more diluted.
02:20:39.000But in your mind, it all goes back to aliens.
02:20:48.000You know, Christianity today, and Islam, and all those different things.
02:20:53.000You believe the Zacharias Hitchin depiction of humanity, that we are engineered from lower primates by some aliens to mine for gold?
02:21:04.000I subscribe to the first part of that statement, yes, that we came about through a direct target mutation of our genes, and that will be the ultimate proof, by the way, the ultimate proof of ET visitation.
02:21:19.000It won't be in a crashed spaceship or finding a ray gun or something silly like that, but it'll be found in our own genes.
02:21:28.000That something happened in the past that did not come by chance.
02:21:31.000But haven't they already mapped out the human genome?
02:21:33.000Isn't that how they understand that white people are mostly...
02:21:38.000You know, related to Neanderthals, and, you know, I mean, haven't they figured out all these things?
02:22:41.000Well, you know, but seriously, that, you know, you can definitely make an argument that if we go out there, that it won't be to destroy others, but, you know, in a benevolent way.
02:22:54.000In planet Earth, every single intelligent animal that's less intelligent than us, we've enslaved.
02:22:59.000We've fucked with dolphins, orcas, monkeys, chimps.
02:23:06.000And that is the evidence of every other intelligent life, how it treats that Other intelligent life that it can manipulate, like dolphins killing other dolphins, and orcas killing dolphins, orcas killing whales.
02:23:19.000But I also think that that is why, that is the reason why we have not yet made official contact with any type of...
02:24:48.000It's like one of those kids' costumes.
02:24:50.000It's not even a cool-cut tiger costume.
02:24:52.000Well, that's what the furries wear, you know?
02:24:54.000We've talked about furries in the podcast before because I was in Pittsburgh and they had a furry convention at the same time that the UFC was in Pittsburgh.
02:25:01.000and all these furries were wandering the streets, and the people in the hotel set me hip to furries because they go to Pittsburgh every year.
02:25:07.000So the guys that are working in the hotel tell you the nutty stories of these people, shitting in the litter boxes.
02:25:13.000And some of the furry community actually got upset with me that I was spreading misinformation.
02:25:18.000You may not, if you're a furry, you may not be into the dirty aspect of the furry.
02:25:21.000But there's a broad spectrum of furry behavior, folks.
02:25:24.000And just because you're not into taking shits in litter boxes doesn't mean that the man who worked at the Westin didn't tell me that they called down and asked to put a large litter box in the fucking lobby of the Westin because the furries had every room in the Westin, so they wanted a litter box.
02:25:42.000Yeah, the guy who, I asked the guy who was delivering the food, and you know, the room service guy, he said that they ask for bowls, like to eat on the ground, like to eat like dog bowls, like big bowls, they want all their food in bowls, and then they go over there, the bowls are on the ground, like bowls of milk, they ask for a large bowl of milk, and they eat it like an animal.
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