The Joe Rogan Experience - March 04, 2019


Joe Rogan Experience #1257 - Steve Sweeney

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Comedian Jonathan Winters joins Jemele to discuss his early days in comedy and how he got his start as a stand-up comedian in the early days of his career. He also talks about his early run-ins with the law and the time he almost got into a fight with a man who stole one of his lines and threw it back in his face. And he tells the story of how he went from being a martial artist to becoming one of the most in-demand comedians of all time, and how it all started with an imposter on the set of Joe Rogan's show, The Office. And he talks about what it's like to open for B.B. King at the Sugar Shack in the late 60s and early 70s, and what it was like opening for the legendary rock and roll singer, B. B. King. Plus, he shares some of his favorite memories of growing up in Charlestown, Massachusetts, and some of the crazy things he did to get to where he is today. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who grew up in the 60s, 70s and 80s in the Boston area, or wants to know what it s like to be a comedian in Boston. Thanks to our sponsor, JCPenney! for sponsoring this episode. Thank you J.J.R. & Sons of Anarchy! We appreciate you, J.R., we really appreciate you! and we really do appreciate you. We really appreciate your support and your support. We appreciate the support. Thank you, we really really appreciate it. We can t do this. We love you. - Thank you so much, we can't do this without you, it means a lot. We're looking forward to seeing you back in the next episode. We'll see you back next week with more of you next week! -Jonathon Winters -Jemele J. R. Winters, J-R. and J-O.S. & J-E-J.O.K. J-VY.A.Y. XOXO, JCR Thank You, JJJ Thanks, JB & JB. & SAGA -EJ & J.M. & D-SZN -S.S -PJ. & P. O. & A.

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00:00:00.000 Look at you.
00:00:01.000 I'm enjoying this.
00:00:03.000 Jim, I wish we had a speed bag.
00:00:04.000 That's my favorite thing.
00:00:06.000 Two.
00:00:08.000 One.
00:00:10.000 Test.
00:00:11.000 Steve Sweeney, ladies and gentlemen.
00:00:12.000 How are you?
00:00:13.000 Hey, I'm great.
00:00:14.000 Great to see you.
00:00:15.000 You know what?
00:00:16.000 I've done so many things in my life.
00:00:18.000 You know, movies, TV, all this stuff, stand-up.
00:00:22.000 But Joe Rogan, oh my God.
00:00:25.000 Back in Boston.
00:00:27.000 Jesus, you're on Joe Rogan.
00:00:29.000 Yeah, you've got fans, you know, that are like all these different ages and all different kinds of people.
00:00:37.000 I'm very proud of you.
00:00:38.000 Thank you.
00:00:38.000 One of the things that happened, you don't remember this, but you opened for me.
00:00:42.000 Many times.
00:00:43.000 Louis C.K. opened for me.
00:00:45.000 Nick DiPaolo opened for me.
00:00:46.000 So people that want a little show business advice opened for me.
00:00:51.000 It helps.
00:00:52.000 And then you get to go by me and I get to watch you guys become stars.
00:00:57.000 I've said- In Saugus.
00:01:02.000 Some of the best stand-up comedy in the world is at Chinese restaurants in Saugus.
00:01:06.000 And that's a fact still to this day.
00:01:08.000 All those people that live there, they don't know how good they have it.
00:01:10.000 Well, you know what it is?
00:01:12.000 You know, you work with these guys.
00:01:13.000 You and I have worked with guys that are like genius.
00:01:16.000 You know, a transcendent.
00:01:17.000 Whatever word you want to use.
00:01:19.000 But...
00:01:21.000 Doing stand-up is not about being funny. 0.92
00:01:25.000 It's about going into these shitholes and, like, developing this extra skin. 0.99
00:01:30.000 You know, you're a martial artist and sort of you have kind of that mentality.
00:01:35.000 But, you know, when I started, it was like I came from, you know, I was an actor.
00:01:39.000 I was a very serious person.
00:01:41.000 I was like an actor, you know.
00:01:42.000 I do like these obscure impressions. 0.97
00:01:46.000 Paul Schofield and Laurence Olivier, you know, Rezonats and all this bullshit.
00:01:52.000 And I'd be playing at places like the Sugar Shack.
00:01:55.000 Do you remember the Sugar Shack?
00:01:57.000 Yes, I do.
00:01:57.000 It was a black R&B joint.
00:02:01.000 And I opened for B.B. King.
00:02:03.000 Wow.
00:02:04.000 Yeah, and I'm doing like John Lennon.
00:02:05.000 It was very important when we started. 1.00
00:02:08.000 And the black dude, do some dirty shit, man. 1.00
00:02:10.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00
00:02:11.000 Don't you know any jokes? 1.00
00:02:13.000 So in the back, I get heckled, my first heckler. 1.00
00:02:17.000 He said, you suck! 1.00
00:02:19.000 And I said, yeah, fuck you, who are you? 1.00
00:02:20.000 He says, I'm B.B. King. 1.00
00:02:22.000 I hired you, motherfucker. 1.00
00:02:23.000 Oh, no. 1.00
00:02:24.000 Yeah, and then I was doing, I will never forget this.
00:02:28.000 Do you remember the channel?
00:02:29.000 The channel, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:31.000 The channel, it was a rock and roll place.
00:02:34.000 So I'm opening for, like, these bands. 0.99
00:02:37.000 You know, it was like that Blues Brothers scene where they're throwing shit at the cage. 0.96
00:02:40.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:02:41.000 So...
00:02:43.000 The bouncer, he says, you know, point to people and we'll throw them out. 0.98
00:02:47.000 So I'd point to them, but then they'd bring them out in the alley and beat the shit out of them, you know? 0.57
00:02:53.000 But I'm thinking because you're a martial artist, so I've kind of got this thing about fighting and growing up in Charlestown. 0.87
00:03:01.000 I think back on certain incidents when I was starting doing stand-up.
00:03:06.000 And I was at this place on Calm Ave, and this guy stole one of my lines.
00:03:11.000 I know that you're big into that, right?
00:03:13.000 So he goes offstage.
00:03:14.000 I hit him with a right cross.
00:03:16.000 He goes over the tables.
00:03:17.000 And I'm thinking to myself, my friend says, I thought you wanted to be Jonathan Winters. 0.99
00:03:22.000 They don't do shit like that. 0.97
00:03:24.000 And then another time, we were at the Ground Round in Brighton. 0.99
00:03:27.000 I'll never forget this.
00:03:28.000 The Ground Round.
00:03:29.000 Yeah, I'll never forget this, Joe.
00:03:31.000 So the guy on before me, the guy in the audience is throwing little ice things at him, right?
00:03:37.000 So I said, my opening line, usually you try to get the audience to like you, you know, or make them laugh or whatever. 0.99
00:03:47.000 So my opening line was like, the first motherfucker that throws something at me, I'm going to knock him out. 0.98
00:03:52.000 You know, you're not exactly setting the stage for a hilarious comedy. 0.99
00:03:57.000 How did that work?
00:03:58.000 Well, How'd that work out?
00:04:00.000 Terrible.
00:04:00.000 I bombed, you know.
00:04:02.000 People think, you know, when you do this for a while, you've never bombed.
00:04:05.000 I mean, there's no experience in life.
00:04:09.000 Like bombing in Louisville, Kentucky.
00:04:12.000 I'll never forget that.
00:04:14.000 And a guy comes up to me afterwards and he says...
00:04:17.000 And he was trying to make me feel good.
00:04:18.000 He says, well, I could tell by your tone you're funny. 0.95
00:04:23.000 You know, but I'm doing shit like about subways and stuff. 0.92
00:04:26.000 They don't even know what they are.
00:04:28.000 So those early years, there was like one...
00:04:33.000 There wasn't even a comedy club, so you just kind of did it.
00:04:36.000 I fell into it.
00:04:37.000 What year did you start?
00:04:38.000 Oh, my God.
00:04:40.000 I am now at that point, Joe, where people come up to me and they say, I'm so glad to see you.
00:04:47.000 I keep telling my husband, I'm telling you, he's not dead.
00:04:50.000 He has not died.
00:04:52.000 So it's been like 30 or 40 years.
00:04:55.000 I don't remember the year, but I remember those- No, I don't remember.
00:05:02.000 I started in 88, and you were a legend.
00:05:04.000 I was a legend back then, huh?
00:05:06.000 You were, for sure, dude.
00:05:08.000 I watched you one night at Nick's Comedy Stop kill so hard, I thought about quitting. 0.99
00:05:14.000 Because I'd only been doing comedy like a year, and I was like, fuck this. 1.00
00:05:18.000 I gotta get the fuck out of this business. 0.99
00:05:20.000 You know when I had that feeling...
00:05:23.000 Richard Pryor's first performance film.
00:05:25.000 Do you remember that?
00:05:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:27.000 Richard Pryor Live.
00:05:28.000 He filmed it in Long Beach.
00:05:29.000 I went to see that with Stephen Wright, and both of us walked out.
00:05:33.000 We said, we don't even want to do this.
00:05:35.000 You know, it was so intimidating.
00:05:37.000 Yeah, I know that feeling, man.
00:05:39.000 Well, you know, we got that feeling a lot in Boston.
00:05:42.000 And as a kid, starting out there, I tell everybody that I stumbled into the greatest comedy scene in the history of the known universe.
00:05:52.000 In 1988, when I started, it was insane.
00:05:56.000 It was insane.
00:05:57.000 Don Gavin was in his prime.
00:05:59.000 You were in your prime.
00:06:00.000 Rogerson.
00:06:01.000 I would watch these guys go up. 0.99
00:06:04.000 There was so many guys that were so fucking good. 0.99
00:06:07.000 Knox was killing back then. 0.92
00:06:08.000 There were so many guys that you would go, any night you would go and watch some of the best stand-up comedy on the planet.
00:06:15.000 It was amazing.
00:06:16.000 Mike Donovan.
00:06:17.000 Mike Donovan.
00:06:18.000 To this day, people don't know who Mike Donovan is. 1.00
00:06:20.000 He was a fucking genius. 0.99
00:06:22.000 He used to do Johnny Most. 1.00
00:06:22.000 Do you know who Johnny Most is? 1.00
00:06:24.000 Most people don't.
00:06:25.000 No.
00:06:25.000 He's announcing for the Red Sox.
00:06:27.000 I can't believe it!
00:06:29.000 He just went on there!
00:06:30.000 Yeah, he would do this long impression of John Rose.
00:06:33.000 But it's funny you say in your prime, because...
00:06:36.000 And I've talked to people who've been in it longer than me.
00:06:40.000 This is one job where you can get better.
00:06:42.000 Yes.
00:06:43.000 You can get better.
00:06:44.000 More skillful.
00:06:46.000 But it's something that you... 0.99
00:06:49.000 You just have to give the finger to the business because they're looking for the fat guy, the small guy, the black guy. 0.98
00:06:56.000 They're always looking for something other than what you are. 0.97
00:07:00.000 So you do what you do like you've done what you did.
00:07:03.000 Well, the business in terms of movies and television shows, yeah, they will try to lure you away.
00:07:08.000 And they lure you away with money.
00:07:10.000 But the business of stand-up comedy is really about what you do in front of that microphone and how the audience responds.
00:07:16.000 I've been on stage.
00:07:17.000 I've followed a woman... 1.00
00:07:19.000 And she had a lot of TV credits, but she had no material.
00:07:23.000 And it was unbelievable.
00:07:25.000 You know, you forget.
00:07:26.000 When you do something, you forget.
00:07:27.000 It's like you're a trained fighter, you're a trained radio person.
00:07:30.000 You forget that in order to do it, you've developed a certain set of skills.
00:07:35.000 And like in Boston, they have a St. Patrick's Day breakfast where the politicians try to be funny.
00:07:42.000 And it's excruciating.
00:07:44.000 You know what I mean?
00:07:45.000 And you forget, oh yeah, I do this all the time.
00:07:48.000 It'd be like me trying to give a speech.
00:07:50.000 Before I came on this show, I talked to Nick DiPaolo, you know, your buddy.
00:07:55.000 Sure.
00:07:56.000 And he says, well, Joe and I always talk about politics.
00:08:02.000 He can't help himself, though.
00:08:04.000 Nobody...
00:08:06.000 Nobody talks to me about politics.
00:08:07.000 I'm just not that smart.
00:08:09.000 Good.
00:08:10.000 I'm done with politics.
00:08:11.000 I'm going to quit.
00:08:12.000 Yeah.
00:08:12.000 I don't want to talk about it anymore.
00:08:14.000 You know, where we are in this country now is like...
00:08:21.000 Well, I kind of...
00:08:23.000 I don't like to not like someone because of what they believe. 1.00
00:08:28.000 So I just kind of do silly shit. 0.99
00:08:30.000 I was thinking the other day with the Democrats. 0.99
00:08:32.000 You know, I'm going to run.
00:08:34.000 I'm going to run.
00:08:35.000 But they've got the moderate lane, the progressive lane.
00:08:38.000 So I'm going to run in the breakdown lane. 1.00
00:08:40.000 You know, just a silly little shit, you know. 1.00
00:08:43.000 I try to, you know, keep it upbeat, whatever. 1.00
00:08:46.000 But I got into this...
00:08:49.000 I fell into this because I kept thinking, I'm going to get an acting job and I won't do stand-up. 0.98
00:08:55.000 This is going to fucking end at some point. 0.96
00:08:58.000 You know what I mean? 0.97
00:09:02.000 Kids will actually ask me for advice and I say, advice? 0.99
00:09:07.000 Are you shitting me? 1.00
00:09:08.000 I fell into this shit. 1.00
00:09:09.000 I expected it to end. 1.00
00:09:10.000 But I say, alright, you want some advice?
00:09:14.000 Don't ever work at a place that's named after the guy. 1.00
00:09:18.000 Like if it's Vinny's fucking pizza parlor or Joey's shithole or Bobby's money-making piece of shit. 1.00
00:09:25.000 When it's named after the guy, it's never enough. 1.00
00:09:28.000 What about Nick's Comedy Stop?
00:09:30.000 Nick's.
00:09:30.000 Now, I'm going to do something for you.
00:09:33.000 Okay.
00:09:33.000 We're going to play a little scene.
00:09:35.000 Okay.
00:09:35.000 Now, you ask me, say, is Nick's a mafia joint?
00:09:40.000 Is Nick's a mafia joint?
00:09:41.000 No.
00:09:45.000 Yeah.
00:09:45.000 Is Nick's still around?
00:09:47.000 100%?
00:09:48.000 Nick's is around.
00:09:49.000 Is it the same ownership?
00:09:50.000 And do you know that there isn't one inch of that building that I didn't do coke in?
00:09:55.000 I believe that.
00:09:56.000 It was really something.
00:09:59.000 I mean, it was like, I know that, you know, I lived in LA many years ago and it's like I'm driving around and say, oh, I know that spot.
00:10:07.000 So with Nick's, I know every spot in the building.
00:10:10.000 By the way, I didn't know that this was a camp area.
00:10:14.000 Oh, you see all the campers?
00:10:15.000 Yeah, right out in front of your place.
00:10:17.000 They're everywhere.
00:10:18.000 Well, they find these side streets where the cops won't kick them out.
00:10:21.000 Yeah.
00:10:22.000 And semi-homeless people.
00:10:23.000 They're not homeless.
00:10:24.000 They just have mobile homes.
00:10:25.000 You know what it is?
00:10:26.000 The homeless people here are so peaceful.
00:10:29.000 They're like a...
00:10:30.000 They're like the caravan.
00:10:32.000 You know, they just...
00:10:33.000 They don't bump change.
00:10:34.000 They don't do anything.
00:10:35.000 They just kind of walk around.
00:10:36.000 I'm sitting in front of your building here.
00:10:38.000 It was like a fashion show for the homeless.
00:10:40.000 One guy comes by with a Buffalo Bills jacket, and the other guy's in, you know, and they're just quietly talking to themselves.
00:10:48.000 And you know what's freaking me out?
00:10:50.000 I've only been here 12 hours, but... 0.99
00:10:54.000 Everybody is either really soft-spoken or I'm losing my fucking hearing. 0.98
00:11:00.000 I'm renting the car and the woman says, did you want a Honda? 0.99
00:11:06.000 I said, what?
00:11:07.000 What?
00:11:08.000 In Boston, it'd be like, what do you want for a car?
00:11:13.000 You want to be upgraded?
00:11:14.000 You know, it's like the noise pollution.
00:11:17.000 Well, it's louder there and colder and people are angrier.
00:11:20.000 It's a different place.
00:11:21.000 Out here, it's just, even the homeless people, they don't have it so rough.
00:11:24.000 If you're going to be a homeless person, this is the place to go.
00:11:27.000 People are very open-minded.
00:11:29.000 It's relaxed.
00:11:30.000 It's warm.
00:11:31.000 I mean, the cold as it gets is like 40. That's as cold as it ever gets.
00:11:36.000 Yeah, but you know, if you're giving advice to homeless people, it's like I was sitting in Westwood in a Starbucks, right? 0.96
00:11:45.000 And the guy was just sitting there, you know, and all these people are having their lattes and shit, and he's just, you know, one of those crazy laughs. 0.69
00:11:57.000 Everybody's just going along with their conversation. 0.97
00:11:59.000 You know, the...
00:12:02.000 I don't know what to say about the homeless thing.
00:12:06.000 Have you ever been in downtown?
00:12:07.000 Have you ever seen Skid Row?
00:12:09.000 I myself was homeless when I was like 16. I was a hippie.
00:12:13.000 My father passed away when I was 15. It was a different time.
00:12:17.000 No, I haven't been downtown.
00:12:19.000 You were homeless for how long?
00:12:21.000 I was a hippie.
00:12:22.000 It's different than being homeless, but a couple of years.
00:12:25.000 Really?
00:12:25.000 Yeah.
00:12:28.000 You know the worst moment?
00:12:30.000 I was lying, I was downstairs in this guy's house and I overheard his girlfriend saying, no, he was saying to his girlfriend, I don't know, I keep asking the guy to leave.
00:12:43.000 But, you know, I was, you know, here's what happened to me, Joe.
00:12:48.000 I read Jack Kerouac on the road, okay?
00:12:52.000 So I wanted to be Jack Kerouac and I wanted to be a writer.
00:12:55.000 So I did everything that Kerouac did, except write.
00:13:00.000 You know, I was living in YMCAs and drinking the wine and the whole thing.
00:13:04.000 But it was a whole different country then.
00:13:06.000 Why didn't you start writing?
00:13:07.000 Was it one of those things like, eventually you'll start writing?
00:13:10.000 I wanted to be a writer. 0.99
00:13:11.000 I didn't want to fucking write. 0.99
00:13:14.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:13:15.000 Writing is the hardest job in the world.
00:13:20.000 I don't know how people do it.
00:13:21.000 But we did this movie, which I'd like to mention.
00:13:24.000 Bill Broaddus wrote this movie.
00:13:26.000 It's called Sweeney Killing Sweeney.
00:13:29.000 And you can get it on iTunes.
00:13:31.000 It's out right now?
00:13:32.000 Pre-order it.
00:13:33.000 When's it out?
00:13:34.000 It's going to be the middle of March, but they can pre-order it.
00:13:37.000 Okay.
00:13:37.000 But this guy Bill Broaddus wrote this script.
00:13:40.000 It's like my 20-something movie.
00:13:43.000 I've done a lot of acting.
00:13:45.000 I said, this thing is so good.
00:13:47.000 I wanted to be able to get guys who I knew were tremendously talented.
00:13:57.000 To not be in these clubs, you know? 0.94
00:14:02.000 It's very, like, demeaning sometimes, you know, for a guy who's really good at what he does and somebody's, like, texting and, you know, all this bullshit.
00:14:12.000 Like, I had a woman, you know, usually I'm, like, okay about it. 0.99
00:14:17.000 You know, I say, okay, listen, you're putting us out of work, right?
00:14:20.000 Like, in the future, I'll text you a joke, then you text back LOL. You know, silly little shit. 1.00
00:14:27.000 But I had one woman, and she's, the arrogance, you know, and it was a benefit, too, and she's doing this, and she said, it's okay, I can multitask. 1.00
00:14:37.000 So I said, oh, okay. 0.99
00:14:38.000 So when I stick it up your ass, you're still going to be able to talk and everything? 1.00
00:14:42.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:14:43.000 So I see guys like Stephen Wright, who's in the movie, Nick DiPaolo, Bobby Slayton, Jonathan Katz, you know, all different styles of comedy, Lenny Clark and Tony V and Frank Santorelli.
00:14:57.000 I wanted to see them...
00:15:00.000 Get in something where we could really work, you know?
00:15:03.000 And they all did it.
00:15:04.000 They're all in the movie, and it was a fantastic experience.
00:15:07.000 Woman director, Lisa Mullen.
00:15:10.000 It was great.
00:15:11.000 It's the first time I've produced a movie, which is really hard.
00:15:14.000 Is it a dramatic movie?
00:15:17.000 What is it?
00:15:17.000 I'll tell you the plot briefly.
00:15:19.000 No, I guess it's a comedy, but it has its moments.
00:15:23.000 The HBO, maybe, or Showtime, or some company comes to town...
00:15:30.000 And they want me.
00:15:32.000 But they say the characters, they're too local.
00:15:35.000 You've got to get rid of the characters.
00:15:36.000 So then my characters try to kill me.
00:15:39.000 So I play five different parts, six different parts.
00:15:42.000 Like a Peter Sellers kind of thing from Doctor Strange.
00:15:45.000 So like you're losing your mind?
00:15:46.000 Like your characters are trying to kill you?
00:15:47.000 Well, you've got to figure that out.
00:15:49.000 You don't know whether I'm losing my mind.
00:15:53.000 But I had just come off the equalizer with Denzel Washington.
00:15:56.000 I was in that.
00:15:58.000 And that was an interesting experience because, like, I got this beard, you know, and the director who did training day, he said to me, You know, you gotta shave your beard.
00:16:11.000 And I said, listen man, I saw my face 25 years ago.
00:16:15.000 It scared the shit out of me. 0.60
00:16:17.000 This beard is here for a reason. 1.00
00:16:19.000 I'm the most ugly motherfucker I've ever seen. 1.00
00:16:21.000 I can't do it. 1.00
00:16:23.000 Then he told me how much money I was gonna make. 0.99
00:16:25.000 I said, would you like me to shave my balls too? 0.99
00:16:28.000 Similar experience, something about Mary. 0.99
00:16:31.000 So my scene, if you haven't seen it, Ben Stiller's thing's caught in the zipper.
00:16:36.000 So I'm the cop.
00:16:38.000 I come in the window.
00:16:39.000 And Peter directed it. 0.98
00:16:40.000 I said, you know, I don't have to grab his crotch, right? 0.97
00:16:42.000 He says, yeah, you're an actor. 0.98
00:16:43.000 You've got to grab it.
00:16:45.000 I said, I don't have anything against it, but I just can't do it.
00:16:50.000 Then he told me how much money I was going to make.
00:16:51.000 I said, you want me to just grab it?
00:16:52.000 Because I'll give it...
00:16:53.000 Anyway, that was my experience with that.
00:16:57.000 Do you really feel like it's demeaning working clubs?
00:16:59.000 Because I still enjoy working clubs.
00:17:01.000 I love it.
00:17:03.000 I mean, out here, of course, we do the Comedy Store all the time.
00:17:06.000 I do the improv.
00:17:07.000 But I do clubs on the road, too.
00:17:08.000 Those audiences are easy.
00:17:09.000 They're great.
00:17:10.000 They make a laugh. 0.96
00:17:12.000 You mean like shitty clubs? 0.94
00:17:13.000 You mean like bar gigs? 0.94
00:17:16.000 You know, here's the thing.
00:17:18.000 When I'm on stage, I'm okay. 0.99
00:17:21.000 But when I'm driving to fucking East Methuen Elks Club... 0.99
00:17:27.000 It bothers you then. 1.00
00:17:28.000 I get a fucking depression you wouldn't believe. 1.00
00:17:30.000 You start to feel old. 0.99
00:17:32.000 In the day, driving to those gigs was awesome.
00:17:36.000 Something shifts.
00:17:37.000 What is it that shifts?
00:17:38.000 Is it in your own head?
00:17:40.000 Is it just that you've done too many of them?
00:17:43.000 You know what I think shifts is you stop drinking.
00:17:47.000 I've been sober 26 years.
00:17:49.000 That's the problem.
00:17:50.000 That's the problem.
00:17:53.000 Yeah, I say to people, if I kept drinking, my career would be through the roof, you know?
00:17:59.000 No, they're a great club.
00:18:00.000 Skiggles is a great club.
00:18:02.000 It's a great club.
00:18:02.000 Route 1 on Saugus.
00:18:03.000 Good pizza, too.
00:18:04.000 Good pizza, and I'll do a theater.
00:18:06.000 I love that.
00:18:08.000 I'm just giving you the other side of the story, because...
00:18:12.000 You know, people do get into this and they don't have an idea of what the life is like.
00:18:17.000 You know what I mean?
00:18:17.000 To be on the road.
00:18:19.000 Like a lot of my friends are now doing cruise ships.
00:18:22.000 Those are depressing.
00:18:24.000 You're trapped. 1.00
00:18:25.000 And if you eat shit on a cruise ship, you're stuck with those people for seven days. 0.99
00:18:29.000 Well, that's the problem. 1.00
00:18:30.000 And they keep coming up to you, you were awful.
00:18:33.000 You personally ruined our whole vacation.
00:18:36.000 We're from Ohio.
00:18:37.000 We had never even seen the ocean.
00:18:39.000 You ruined it.
00:18:40.000 And then they'll say to you, this is true.
00:18:44.000 They'll say, oh, you stay on the ship?
00:18:47.000 No, actually, I swim next to the ship. 0.98
00:18:50.000 Then when we're 150 miles out in the shark-infested water, they scoop me up, tell a few stupid jokes, then they throw me overboard. 0.99
00:18:57.000 You know, I got fired from a cruise ship For the weirdest, for religious joke. 0.99
00:19:05.000 And, you know, I said this dumb joke about Mitt Romney. 0.97
00:19:09.000 I like Mitt Romney because it's hard being a Mormon in Massachusetts. 0.88
00:19:12.000 It was always just me and Mitt.
00:19:15.000 I thought I was Mormon. 1.00
00:19:16.000 My father kept saying, you're a moron. 1.00
00:19:18.000 So, silly little joke. 1.00
00:19:21.000 And that's what they complained about. 0.98
00:19:24.000 They complained about.
00:19:24.000 They fired you for that?
00:19:26.000 I never fit in, anyway, with those cruise ships.
00:19:26.000 Jesus Christ.
00:19:29.000 It's really good if you are an active alcoholic.
00:19:34.000 It's wonderful.
00:19:35.000 Or if you're addicted to food.
00:19:37.000 Oh my god.
00:19:38.000 Yeah.
00:19:39.000 The lunch buffet, the breakfast buffet, the midnight buffet.
00:19:43.000 I know, it's like you go on, you look like a normal human being.
00:19:48.000 You get off the ship, you're like waddling. 0.72
00:19:50.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that love you.
00:19:52.000 And it's the manufactured fun.
00:19:54.000 It's like, I love your warehouse here and everything.
00:19:58.000 It's quiet.
00:19:58.000 You know what I like about it?
00:20:00.000 You know, a lot of these gyms, sound, sound.
00:20:02.000 And these cruise ships, you can't even go to the pool without hearing 80s disco.
00:20:07.000 You know, it's like this thing.
00:20:08.000 Have a good time. 0.98
00:20:09.000 If you're not having a good time, there's something fucked up about you. 0.99
00:20:12.000 You know, have a good time. 0.96
00:20:13.000 Well, I think what they're trying to do is...
00:20:15.000 Activity, activity, activity.
00:20:17.000 Give people something to fill their time with when they're stuck on a floating vessel.
00:20:21.000 Yeah.
00:20:22.000 Yeah.
00:20:22.000 I'm not interested.
00:20:24.000 But I still love clubs.
00:20:25.000 I still enjoy going to clubs.
00:20:27.000 You know what's great in a club?
00:20:29.000 I probably overstated the other one, but I'll tell you what does shift is when people are there to see you.
00:20:37.000 That's good.
00:20:37.000 Yeah.
00:20:38.000 That's a nice thing because then you're actually able to make people feel good and in service.
00:20:44.000 But I've always had the same problem, Joe, is when people try to help you by heckling or whatever, and they think, you know, this is their help or whatever.
00:20:56.000 It's like you're a fighter.
00:20:58.000 You feel that temper come up when it comes up quick, and you've got to contain it and react.
00:21:06.000 But in real life, I wouldn't want to know those people.
00:21:09.000 Right. 0.99
00:21:10.000 They're fucking with your timing. 0.98
00:21:13.000 Yeah, and I just feel like, you know, you prepare this material and you've worked on it. 0.98
00:21:19.000 You want to give it to people.
00:21:20.000 Yeah.
00:21:21.000 But I'm not complaining.
00:21:23.000 I've made my living out of this.
00:21:25.000 You know, so, I mean, it's just you want to be realistic.
00:21:29.000 Like when somebody's kid asks you, you know, what is it like, you know?
00:21:35.000 Yeah.
00:21:35.000 You know what an audience I hate is an open mic audience.
00:21:39.000 Why?
00:21:40.000 Because the other comedians, they're really tense.
00:21:43.000 You know what I mean? 0.98
00:21:44.000 They're really fucking tense. 0.98
00:21:46.000 Because they're thinking it's like an audition. 0.99
00:21:46.000 Right. 0.99
00:21:48.000 Right.
00:21:49.000 They're nervous.
00:21:49.000 Yeah.
00:21:50.000 So you feel it in the air.
00:21:51.000 You feel it in the air, man.
00:21:52.000 Yeah, but if you can go up and be smooth.
00:21:54.000 I remember Teddy Bergeron going up an open mic night.
00:21:56.000 There's another one I wanted to stop doing comedy.
00:21:59.000 When Teddy was in his prime.
00:22:01.000 When I first started in 1988. The first night I ever went on.
00:22:04.000 Jonathan Katz was hosting at Stitches.
00:22:07.000 And Teddy went on and did a set and I was like, good lord. 0.98
00:22:10.000 His fucking timing, his material, everything was so sharp and so good. 0.98
00:22:15.000 It just seemed so unattainable. 0.99
00:22:17.000 It seemed so out of reach.
00:22:19.000 So that was a thing about open mic nights in Boston.
00:22:22.000 Pros would stop in.
00:22:24.000 They'd stop in and let you know how it really should be going. 0.94
00:22:27.000 Well, I was at the comedy store when Richard Pryor was working shit out.
00:22:31.000 And he'd start on a Monday and... 0.96
00:22:34.000 He'd go up, he'd bomb.
00:22:35.000 Didn't matter.
00:22:36.000 He was working on the material.
00:22:37.000 A week later, he had this unbelievable set.
00:22:39.000 I worked with George Carlin.
00:22:41.000 I worked with Rodney Dangerfield.
00:22:43.000 The best part about being in this business, for me, is the people that I've worked with.
00:22:50.000 Just meeting them and seeing them and seeing people great at what they do.
00:22:55.000 I'm sure you feel that way with MMA or whatever.
00:22:58.000 Sure.
00:22:58.000 Yeah, well, comedy as well.
00:23:00.000 You know, I mean, it's been amazing watching people develop their acts and just to know that that's a process that we all have to go through.
00:23:09.000 You know, the process of creating material, it never gets any easier.
00:23:14.000 It's always hard.
00:23:15.000 I mean, to this day, when you're working out new material, it's probably weird, right?
00:23:19.000 It's funny, the material seems to come to me.
00:23:22.000 I'm at that point where it just sort of, events write it.
00:23:27.000 Bob Craft and the whole thing.
00:23:30.000 But here's what I don't like about it. 0.93
00:23:33.000 Does this sound like a bitch session right now? 1.00
00:23:35.000 Are you sure? 0.98
00:23:35.000 No. 0.98
00:23:36.000 Yeah, we're just talking shop.
00:23:37.000 Okay.
00:23:38.000 What I don't like is, it's Trump all day, and then all the late night shows, it's more Trump.
00:23:44.000 You know what I mean?
00:23:45.000 There's no escape from this.
00:23:47.000 Well, that's what they think people want to hear.
00:23:50.000 Yeah.
00:23:50.000 I don't think it's that creative, though.
00:23:52.000 It gets a little tiresome.
00:23:53.000 Yeah, I think so.
00:23:54.000 Especially after two years.
00:23:55.000 Unless you've got something really funny to say.
00:23:57.000 I always keep the door open.
00:23:59.000 Someone's got something really funny to say.
00:24:01.000 You never know, you know?
00:24:03.000 You don't hear Stormy Daniels is doing stand-up now? 0.88
00:24:07.000 You know, that's another thing. 1.00
00:24:11.000 People fucking... 0.99
00:24:12.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
00:24:13.000 She's probably got five minutes of material.
00:24:15.000 If that.
00:24:16.000 If that.
00:24:18.000 You know, there were guys...
00:24:20.000 I think it was Richard Lewis and Dennis Miller and a couple of other guys came through Knicks.
00:24:28.000 And they didn't want to close.
00:24:30.000 You know, they'd follow me again.
00:24:31.000 Of course.
00:24:32.000 I watched some of those sets.
00:24:33.000 And then I said...
00:24:35.000 One of them said, you know, can I middle?
00:24:39.000 I said, sure.
00:24:40.000 I'm going to get your money though, right?
00:24:42.000 He said, oh no. 0.99
00:24:43.000 I said, well, what the fuck? 1.00
00:24:44.000 You're the headliner, you know. 1.00
00:24:46.000 But I mean, I followed Jay Leno at the improv.
00:24:51.000 You know, you've got to follow people.
00:24:53.000 Yeah, you've got to follow people, but... 0.99
00:24:56.000 In all fairness, what I used to see, and I saw this many times at Knicks, was some poor fuck who had a couple of TV credits, who thought it was hot shit, and they would go on, and they would headline at Knicks, and they would stack the deck, 0.99
00:25:12.000 and it would be horrendous. 0.99
00:25:14.000 It was you, and Lenny, and fucking Knox, and all these savages would go up, and Boston-style comedy where there's no breaks. 0.99
00:25:24.000 It's just fucking bang, bang. 0.99
00:25:26.000 Yeah, right. 0.99
00:25:27.000 There's a style of comedy like a, hey, I know you worked all day.
00:25:30.000 You don't want to hear anybody bullshitting up here. 0.98
00:25:32.000 Everybody talks fast and they're fucking funny. 1.00
00:25:34.000 And Gavin would go up and murder. 1.00
00:25:36.000 And then these poor bastards would go up after them. 0.99
00:25:38.000 And just these people with their TV credits, you would see them just be, within five minutes they'd be lost. 0.99
00:25:45.000 They'd be very observational.
00:25:47.000 Have you ever gone to an airport?
00:25:49.000 Well, they just didn't expect that.
00:25:50.000 They would see three world-class headliners do 15 minutes in front of them.
00:25:55.000 I'll tell you a funny story about Nick's.
00:25:59.000 Sam Kennison, right?
00:26:01.000 You know, he had been up for a few days, obviously.
00:26:05.000 But anyway, you know what I mean?
00:26:07.000 You know the era.
00:26:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:10.000 So...
00:26:12.000 Sam was a good friend of mine.
00:26:14.000 He was a nice guy when he was straight.
00:26:16.000 He had a dark side, like we all do.
00:26:20.000 But I said, Sam, this isn't L.A. These guys, Joey the Job and Billy the Frog, you know what I mean?
00:26:29.000 They're sitting up front.
00:26:31.000 You know how Sam was.
00:26:33.000 And I said, Sam, I'm telling you, these are the wrong guys to piss off.
00:26:37.000 They had to fire him because...
00:26:40.000 You know, those guys... 1.00
00:26:41.000 They'll kill you. 0.99
00:26:42.000 They don't have any sense of humor. 1.00
00:26:44.000 No.
00:26:45.000 No. 1.00
00:26:46.000 Well, not only that, they don't want to be fucked with. 0.99
00:26:50.000 Boston is some of the weirdest people in terms of the way the rest of the world works. 0.99
00:26:55.000 They're ready to fight.
00:26:57.000 There's a lot of people that are ready to fight.
00:26:59.000 They're ready to fight you.
00:27:00.000 They're not going to shoot you or stab you. 1.00
00:27:01.000 They're going to beat the fuck out of you. 1.00
00:27:03.000 They're going to do it right then and there. 0.99
00:27:05.000 And it'll happen anywhere.
00:27:07.000 It'll happen at a restaurant.
00:27:08.000 It'll happen at a bar.
00:27:09.000 It's one of the last places, when we used to tour there.
00:27:12.000 When things are ready to break out.
00:27:13.000 Well, you would see real fistfights.
00:27:15.000 Yeah.
00:27:15.000 Like, all the time.
00:27:16.000 Like, Ari Shaffir used to say that. 1.00
00:27:17.000 Like, me and him, we were leaving Faneuil Hall once, and there was a fucking brawl breaking out in front of this McDonald's. 1.00
00:27:23.000 And he's like, you fucking people are savages here. 0.99
00:27:26.000 I'm like, I'm telling you, it's a different kind of human. 1.00
00:27:28.000 It's cold for too much. 1.00
00:27:30.000 The women are assholes. 1.00
00:27:32.000 The men are assholes. 1.00
00:27:32.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
00:27:34.000 Everybody's ready to fight, and everyone's drunk.
00:27:36.000 It's a different kind of place.
00:27:37.000 Right.
00:27:37.000 Well, you know, I grew up in Charlestown, right?
00:27:41.000 They did a movie about the town and all that bullshit. 0.99
00:27:44.000 It's a bullshit movie, but anyway, I grew up over there. 0.99
00:27:49.000 And you didn't have to win, but you had a fight. 0.99
00:27:52.000 And my record was probably like...
00:27:55.000 Two wins and 30 losses.
00:27:58.000 There was a lot of draws because they break it up right away.
00:28:02.000 But there were actual fistfights.
00:28:06.000 One time I'm in the projects, this kid Davey Ladder, he did the one thing you're not supposed to do. 0.98
00:28:12.000 He kicked me in the balls. 0.99
00:28:15.000 And then everybody jumped and beat the shit out of him. 1.00
00:28:19.000 The one thing about kicking people in the balls, too, don't have a mess. 0.99
00:28:23.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:28:24.000 Because then the other guy gets very mad.
00:28:26.000 It doesn't work as good as people think it does.
00:28:28.000 Oh, really?
00:28:29.000 It hurts.
00:28:30.000 Now, were you in street fights?
00:28:31.000 I started fighting to avoid street fights.
00:28:35.000 I know exactly what you mean.
00:28:36.000 I wanted to fight as an amateur, like in martial arts tournaments, because I was scared of street fights.
00:28:42.000 Wow.
00:28:43.000 It seemed to me...
00:28:44.000 They are frightening. 1.00
00:28:46.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.99
00:28:47.000 You never know what's going to happen. 0.99
00:28:48.000 People follow you around.
00:28:50.000 You never know when it's going to happen.
00:28:51.000 I was scared of fighting.
00:28:52.000 That's why I got into it.
00:28:54.000 I did not like that feeling.
00:28:56.000 Do you remember that day when you were in grammar school?
00:28:59.000 A kid offers you out.
00:29:01.000 Yeah.
00:29:01.000 At 8.30 in the morning.
00:29:03.000 So from 8.30 in the morning till 3 in the afternoon.
00:29:07.000 What's that running down your pants? 1.00
00:29:09.000 Did you just shit yourself? 1.00
00:29:10.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:29:10.000 And then you're in the schoolyard and they're all circling around you, you know, and it's this whole thing. 1.00
00:29:15.000 But my father used to train fighters, boxers, over at the New Garden gym.
00:29:21.000 And me and my brother, we would get into terrible fights.
00:29:24.000 And my father never...
00:29:25.000 It's hard to throw a shot or anything. 0.97
00:29:29.000 It just gives us these big enormous freaking gloves. 0.90
00:29:31.000 They just let you go to war on each other? 0.92
00:29:34.000 Yeah, it was weird.
00:29:35.000 Why didn't he teach you?
00:29:37.000 Probably tired from teaching people all day.
00:29:40.000 Yeah, maybe. 0.99
00:29:41.000 Or maybe he wanted us to beat the shit out of each other. 0.97
00:29:41.000 Yeah, probably. 0.97
00:29:44.000 You know, I don't know.
00:29:46.000 That's a good question.
00:29:47.000 Maybe you want to just figure it out on your own.
00:29:49.000 Yeah. 0.90
00:29:50.000 Or, you know, I remember coming back and this kid, he beat the shit out of me, Bobby Buckley.
00:29:59.000 And my father said, what are you doing at home? 0.96
00:30:00.000 You got to go back out there.
00:30:02.000 What?
00:30:02.000 You got to go back out and fight him again?
00:30:04.000 Fucking all right. 0.99
00:30:05.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:30:06.000 But I, you know...
00:30:08.000 There's a lot of different ways to be in Charlestown growing up.
00:30:12.000 I mean, I grew up with some guys that were unbelievable.
00:30:17.000 There's a whole moral thing, maybe, or a social thing about, say, robbing a bank.
00:30:22.000 I mean, would that ever freaking cross your mind?
00:30:25.000 No, but that's a Charlestown thing.
00:30:27.000 That's one thing that is true about that movie, The Town.
00:30:29.000 But what I was in awe of, people that would do it. 0.98
00:30:32.000 It's like, where do you get the balls to... 0.96
00:30:35.000 And I'll never forget... 0.95
00:30:38.000 This friend of mine, Joey Rocco, who's no longer with us.
00:30:41.000 So I see him up at Government Center.
00:30:43.000 Do you remember Government Center?
00:30:44.000 Yeah.
00:30:45.000 So I see him up there, and he's got like his lunch.
00:30:48.000 And I said, Joe, how you doing?
00:30:51.000 And he kind of blew me off.
00:30:53.000 Then I see him a week later.
00:30:54.000 He says, hey, Sweeney, what's up?
00:30:55.000 I said, what's up?
00:30:57.000 You blew me off a week ago.
00:30:59.000 He said, oh, I'm so sorry.
00:31:00.000 I was waiting to rob Crimson Travel, and I had my gun there, and I was interrupting his work.
00:31:07.000 So he came in to Nick's Comedy Stop.
00:31:10.000 There were 400 people.
00:31:11.000 I did fantastic.
00:31:13.000 I was like practically a standing ovation, whatever.
00:31:15.000 So Joe's in the audience, right?
00:31:18.000 So I talked to him afterwards.
00:31:20.000 So there's a number of things he could say.
00:31:22.000 Like, geez, I liked his show.
00:31:24.000 I didn't like your show.
00:31:25.000 Good for you getting out of Charlestown.
00:31:27.000 He gave me this look.
00:31:29.000 I was like, wow, there's got to be a lot of money in here.
00:31:32.000 I said, you think I'm here to case the joint for you?
00:31:38.000 It was unbelievable.
00:31:40.000 Part of the thing about Charlestown growing up was you had a shoplift.
00:31:44.000 Did you do that when you were a kid?
00:31:45.000 I got caught shoplifting candy once.
00:31:48.000 You were bad.
00:31:48.000 Candy, yeah.
00:31:49.000 You probably were terrified, right, of getting caught?
00:31:52.000 I got brought into a manager's office.
00:31:52.000 Terrified.
00:31:54.000 I think I was 12. Oh, yeah.
00:31:55.000 I got in trouble.
00:31:56.000 I was terrible, too.
00:31:57.000 I was so paranoid.
00:31:59.000 But anyway, there was a department store called Jordan Marsh.
00:32:05.000 And my job was to catch the football.
00:32:08.000 They'd throw me the football.
00:32:10.000 I'd catch it and run down Tremont Street.
00:32:12.000 So we've just, you know, stolen a football, right?
00:32:16.000 So that was the gig.
00:32:18.000 So one time I'm up there and...
00:32:22.000 This other kid says to me, pick up the end of this canoe.
00:32:25.000 He said, grab the end of the canoe.
00:32:25.000 I said, what?
00:32:28.000 We're stealing a fucking canoe. 0.99
00:32:31.000 So we're walking down Washington Street in Boston with a canoe, right? 0.99
00:32:34.000 Now, I don't know where you're from, but it's not a big item in Charlestown.
00:32:39.000 Canoes and the projects, you know what I mean?
00:32:41.000 It's like not something you couldn't fence it.
00:32:45.000 Did you take it to the Charles River?
00:32:48.000 Yeah.
00:32:52.000 Yeah.
00:33:07.000 That's what they say.
00:33:09.000 They've cleaned up the whole of Boston.
00:33:11.000 I don't recognize Boston anymore.
00:33:13.000 They've got this part of Boston called the Seaport.
00:33:16.000 It's all these big buildings.
00:33:17.000 It's like frickin' Dubai.
00:33:19.000 There's no kids, there's no neighborhoods, there's no characters.
00:33:22.000 It's all just gentrified.
00:33:24.000 Very rich people now, right?
00:33:26.000 Yeah, apparently.
00:33:28.000 Yeah, what is it, like bankers?
00:33:29.000 Who's got all that money?
00:33:30.000 That's what I keep asking myself.
00:33:32.000 Who does have all this money?
00:33:34.000 Yeah, Boston is definitely morphed.
00:33:36.000 But LA's the same way, you know?
00:33:38.000 All money.
00:33:38.000 Yeah.
00:33:40.000 Yeah, but there's normal neighborhoods in LA, like around here.
00:33:44.000 Like Woodland Hills, like you wander around West Hills, like, yeah, Studio City.
00:33:50.000 There's normal neighborhoods.
00:33:51.000 There's regular houses.
00:33:52.000 There's plenty of regular, normal spots.
00:33:55.000 What I've noticed, though, is...
00:33:57.000 I was in Portland, Oregon, and there was a whole city of homeless people.
00:34:02.000 In L.A., it's just sparkly.
00:34:06.000 It's like Jimmy's on top of an ice cream.
00:34:08.000 You've got to go to Skid Row.
00:34:10.000 You've never seen anything like it.
00:34:12.000 Skid Row is a homeless city.
00:34:14.000 It's insane.
00:34:14.000 There's thousands of homeless people wandering through the streets.
00:34:17.000 They've taken over entire neighborhoods.
00:34:19.000 It is bizarre.
00:34:21.000 It's bizarre.
00:34:22.000 We used to film Fear Factor downtown.
00:34:24.000 We would film it at these abandoned warehouses. 0.99
00:34:27.000 They would rent them out, and we'd throw people off the roof and shit. 0.98
00:34:31.000 And there was this one area where you would go... 0.93
00:34:36.000 Where, and I'm not exaggerating, there might be a thousand people on this block like a concert just let out.
00:34:42.000 Like they were having a homeless concert and they're all just wandering around.
00:34:46.000 There's needles everywhere and tents and garbage in the streets and people just shuffling around, walking back and forth.
00:34:53.000 So I guess there's some homeless centers where people can go and get food and things and shelter.
00:34:59.000 You know, I'm starting to wonder...
00:35:03.000 Like, what's wrong with me?
00:35:04.000 With you?
00:35:05.000 Because I seem to focus on that.
00:35:09.000 You know, every city I go to, I say, wow, it seems like there's more and more homeless people.
00:35:15.000 And other people are saying, oh, let's go to the Freedom Trail.
00:35:18.000 Let's look at the beauty of San Francisco. 0.99
00:35:20.000 The guy's shitting on the street. 0.99
00:35:22.000 To me, that's, like, unusual. 0.99
00:35:24.000 San Francisco has an app where you can find where the people are shitting. 0.73
00:35:28.000 Right. 0.90
00:35:29.000 I'm not joking.
00:35:30.000 We pulled it up before. 0.99
00:35:32.000 There's so many people shitting in San Francisco on the street. 1.00
00:35:36.000 My friend Jake Shields got a photo of this guy taking his shit right in front of him. 1.00
00:35:41.000 Just shit spraying out of his ass right into the street. 1.00
00:35:44.000 From the sidewalk into the street. 1.00
00:35:46.000 I don't know why.
00:35:47.000 And they just do it in front of everybody.
00:35:49.000 I don't know why people...
00:35:51.000 You know, who's sicker?
00:35:53.000 The person with the app or the guy taking a dump?
00:35:56.000 Well, I think there's a certain open-mindedness that San Francisco has. 0.98
00:35:59.000 A lot of very progressive, open-minded people, which is good, but the problem is it opens the door for some ridiculous stuff, like people shitting on the street. 0.99
00:36:08.000 There's too many homeless people. 0.97
00:36:10.000 They're too open-minded and too liberal. 1.00
00:36:13.000 That's the shit map. 1.00
00:36:13.000 Look at that. 1.00
00:36:16.000 That's where all the people are shitting. 1.00
00:36:18.000 That's a dark puddle of shit where so many people are shitting on the street in that area. 1.00
00:36:25.000 And I don't even know how they clean that up. 1.00
00:36:27.000 They scrape it, hose the street down?
00:36:27.000 I mean, what do they do?
00:36:29.000 Are they creating jobs? 0.97
00:36:32.000 Let's look at it on the positive side.
00:36:33.000 Oh my God.
00:36:34.000 Maybe those homeless people are creating jobs. 1.00
00:36:35.000 That reminds me of the parades when they used to have the horses.
00:36:38.000 There's nothing you can do either.
00:36:40.000 Are you going to give these people a place to live?
00:36:40.000 I mean, what are you going to do?
00:36:42.000 Are you going to give these people food?
00:36:43.000 Are you going to give these people money?
00:36:45.000 That's not going to fix their mental illness. 0.55
00:36:47.000 That's what people don't understand about a lot of these folks.
00:36:50.000 It's not that they run on bad luck.
00:36:52.000 They're not on bad luck. 1.00
00:36:53.000 They're mentally ill. 1.00
00:36:54.000 Their brain's not working correctly. 1.00
00:36:56.000 And if they don't want to be on medication, they don't have anywhere to turn, they don't have anywhere to go, they're going to stay there. 1.00
00:37:02.000 And they don't have anywhere to shit. 0.99
00:37:03.000 And, you know... 1.00
00:37:05.000 They just want to use the street.
00:37:06.000 And I don't know if they could put up porta-potties and say for homeless folks only.
00:37:10.000 And what can they do?
00:37:11.000 We're not going to solve that on the Joe Rogan show.
00:37:13.000 We might.
00:37:14.000 I'm an optimistic person, Steve.
00:37:16.000 I was always...
00:37:17.000 You never know. 1.00
00:37:18.000 I was thinking to myself, you just, you know, just shit in your pants. 1.00
00:37:23.000 So, anyway, we've covered that. 1.00
00:37:25.000 What else is the problem that we have in this country?
00:37:30.000 Why is everybody so pissed off in this country?
00:37:34.000 Because everything's going well.
00:37:37.000 There's so much going well in terms of the economy, in terms of safety, in terms of that.
00:37:42.000 So people are focusing on other things to be mad at.
00:37:45.000 Moving away from war to, you know, like, you know, when you don't have to worry about as much violence, people concentrate on microaggressions.
00:37:55.000 That's one of the things that does happen.
00:37:56.000 There's definitely problems in this country, for sure.
00:37:59.000 But I think that part of the outrage is that people are, it's recreational.
00:38:03.000 They're looking to be outraged about things, because there's no real problems.
00:38:08.000 When there's real problems, people focus on, you know, you have to really worry about violence, or you have to really worry about health.
00:38:16.000 People focus on the good things in life.
00:38:19.000 People are only happy if they have a certain amount of adversity that they have to deal with.
00:38:24.000 When there's less and less adversity, I find that people become more and more outraged.
00:38:27.000 And easier.
00:38:28.000 They're outraged at small, minor details. 0.98
00:38:31.000 Or they're denying that people should be allowed to just fuck up and make some mistakes here and there. 0.98
00:38:36.000 They concentrate on those mistakes like it's the end of the world. 0.99
00:38:39.000 This person should be ostracized from society and kicked out and this is the end.
00:38:43.000 Well, going back to politics...
00:38:46.000 If you get in a discussion with somebody you agree with, you still end up being pissed off because you're pissed off at the other side.
00:38:53.000 Or the other political thing is you're angry at each other for different points of view.
00:38:59.000 But I always think to myself, as I'm sure you do, It's an amazing place to be.
00:39:08.000 We have enough food, we have enough water.
00:39:10.000 I myself, I think life is two things.
00:39:13.000 Life is a gift and life is short.
00:39:16.000 And the purpose of life...
00:39:19.000 My opinion is to develop whatever talents you have and then share it.
00:39:24.000 I couldn't agree more.
00:39:25.000 What a place to do it.
00:39:28.000 It's the best place in the world to do it.
00:39:29.000 You have the opportunity.
00:39:33.000 I think we do tend to complicate things.
00:39:37.000 What I don't like is when we let other things get between us as human beings.
00:39:43.000 That's why I like Buddhism, for example.
00:39:45.000 Because you're never going to see...
00:39:47.000 Outside of rare exceptions, a Buddhist country is never going to invade another country because the whole principle is mindfulness.
00:39:55.000 In other words, it's all within you.
00:39:57.000 So you don't have to push your beliefs on other people.
00:40:01.000 Like, I have a lot of friends who become Christians, which is great for them.
00:40:06.000 But they always put you in a...
00:40:08.000 I always feel like I'm put in a box.
00:40:11.000 Like, have you accepted Jesus? 0.99
00:40:14.000 You know, how the fuck are you going to answer that? 0.98
00:40:16.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:40:17.000 Not yet.
00:40:18.000 Say not yet.
00:40:19.000 Keep convincing me.
00:40:20.000 It's on the way.
00:40:21.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:40:23.000 It's like one of those unanswerable things, you know?
00:40:26.000 Well, it's also a thing where people can hold over you. 1.00
00:40:28.000 Muslims, Christians, it seems like they believe that, you know, people have to hear this great message, and if they don't hear it, they shove it down your fucking throat. 1.00
00:40:40.000 I think half of them don't even think you have to hear it. 1.00
00:40:42.000 They just want to have it over you.
00:40:44.000 They've accepted Jesus into their life, and you haven't, so they win. 0.89
00:40:48.000 There's a lot of that.
00:40:49.000 There's a lot of that. 0.98
00:40:50.000 I mean, you see so many hypocritical Christians that don't really follow, turn the other cheek. 1.00
00:40:57.000 They don't really treat everyone as if it's their brother. 0.97
00:41:00.000 They don't really do that.
00:41:01.000 They don't really feel that way.
00:41:04.000 They're not out there helping the poor.
00:41:06.000 That's because that standard is like, you're going to be Jesus?
00:41:11.000 I mean, Jesus Christ.
00:41:13.000 I mean, no pun intended.
00:41:15.000 Who can live up to that?
00:41:18.000 I'm sure someone can, but most of the people that are proselytizing aren't.
00:41:23.000 No, people that processize anything, it's like, it's very, you know, it's like, what?
00:41:29.000 Get away from me. 0.96
00:41:30.000 Well, it's a shitty psychological tactic. 0.89
00:41:33.000 It doesn't work. 0.93
00:41:35.000 It just makes people...
00:41:37.000 We used to talk about, it's like when you try to get people to do things, they're less likely to do those things.
00:41:42.000 As soon as you are angry at them that they're not doing it, they're going to go the other way.
00:41:46.000 People don't like being told what to do.
00:41:48.000 Well, it's just like if somebody wants to get sober, right?
00:41:51.000 Right.
00:41:51.000 Right.
00:41:54.000 If they are ready, I work in jails.
00:41:57.000 That's one of my part-time jobs.
00:41:59.000 What do you do in jails?
00:42:00.000 I do substance abuse stuff in jails.
00:42:03.000 So if they're ready, everything you say, you're like...
00:42:10.000 A guru.
00:42:11.000 If they're not ready, it doesn't matter what you say.
00:42:15.000 So I do groups in jail.
00:42:17.000 I teach meditation.
00:42:18.000 I also teach goal setting.
00:42:20.000 I've been doing it about six years.
00:42:21.000 I've been in the field of substance abuse for a while.
00:42:25.000 And it's very rewarding.
00:42:28.000 It's not, you know, you don't make any money, but...
00:42:31.000 It balances the life.
00:42:33.000 I don't want to sit around all day.
00:42:35.000 Most comedians, that's what they have to do.
00:42:38.000 They work at night.
00:42:40.000 So yeah, I work at Plymouth Jail.
00:42:42.000 How often do you do it?
00:42:44.000 Two or three days a week.
00:42:46.000 That's good.
00:42:47.000 So it's not every day.
00:42:49.000 No, and I take the summers off too because it's intense.
00:42:53.000 I've had groups...
00:42:56.000 You know, I had one guy, he came in, and you do divide people ethnically. 0.97
00:43:02.000 White guy, but 6'6", big fucking, you know, he did state time, he was all jacked, and he was wired, and he started complaining about the place. 0.96
00:43:15.000 I said, hey, this isn't... 0.99
00:43:16.000 I teach him to breathe.
00:43:17.000 You know like that guy Haas you had on your show?
00:43:19.000 Wynhoff?
00:43:20.000 Yeah.
00:43:21.000 But I teach him a different method.
00:43:22.000 It's just you breathe in four, you hold it four, you let it out.
00:43:25.000 It's just a calming breath.
00:43:28.000 So anyway, this guy, I said, hey, this place isn't a hotel.
00:43:32.000 He stands over.
00:43:33.000 He says, I don't think I know. 1.00
00:43:34.000 It's not a fucking hotel! 0.99
00:43:36.000 I said, let's do our breathing. 1.00
00:43:38.000 Let's relax.
00:43:40.000 But a lot of guys, they can't see...
00:43:45.000 They can't see themselves.
00:43:47.000 They can't see contradictions.
00:43:50.000 One guy, he was a Muslim, right?
00:43:53.000 So I said, so you guys pray like five times a day.
00:43:57.000 How do you know when to pray?
00:43:59.000 And listen to this, Joe.
00:44:00.000 He says, the guy said, well, if I'm doing a heist in the afternoon, you know, I'm going to miss that prayer.
00:44:07.000 You don't see any contradiction, man. 0.99
00:44:09.000 Fucking amazing. 0.98
00:44:12.000 The guy, the big giant guy that was angry, did he have a certain amount of time before he got out? 0.99
00:44:17.000 Or was he in it for life?
00:44:19.000 He was on his way out.
00:44:19.000 No, no.
00:44:21.000 He was coming close.
00:44:23.000 That's when guys get the most anxious.
00:44:25.000 How long had he been in for?
00:44:26.000 He'd been in for about 17 years.
00:44:28.000 It's a very polite society.
00:44:30.000 Really?
00:44:31.000 Prison society is very polite because every little thing, just picture, you're trapped with all these other guys. 1.00
00:44:39.000 A lot of mental health shit, a lot of stuff. 0.98
00:44:42.000 But every little thing is picked up on and reacted to. 1.00
00:44:46.000 It's like that scene in Heat between De Niro and Pacino where they're just reacting to each other.
00:44:51.000 So you say, can you please pass the salt?
00:44:54.000 I pass it because at any minute, that's what I try to teach.
00:44:58.000 It's about impulse control.
00:45:00.000 Any minute anything can happen.
00:45:03.000 You're dealing with a bunch of very impulsive people that also have a very short fuse.
00:45:08.000 They're used to violence.
00:45:10.000 Violence is one way of acting out.
00:45:12.000 So what I say to them is I have the same thing, but it's not through violence.
00:45:16.000 For me, it's like texting or something.
00:45:18.000 I react or I drank.
00:45:21.000 So it's about stepping back.
00:45:24.000 Staying calm.
00:45:25.000 It's hard when you get tripped up.
00:45:27.000 But the mind listens to the breath.
00:45:30.000 That's the key.
00:45:31.000 Rather than going up in your mind, take that breath.
00:45:36.000 And you know, like when something's happening, like a car crash or something, first impulse is, hold your breath.
00:45:44.000 Don't hold your breath.
00:45:45.000 Let your breath out.
00:45:46.000 I mean, a lot of traditions have this, you know, Tai Chi, you know, pranayama and yoga.
00:45:53.000 Yeah, breathing is critical.
00:45:55.000 It's everything.
00:45:55.000 When Wim Hof teaches it, you know, if you follow those methods, you can really change your physiological state.
00:46:02.000 You can get out of a lot of things.
00:46:04.000 It can get you through a lot of things. 0.99
00:46:07.000 You know the thing that I don't buy, though, is that fucking cold water. 0.99
00:46:11.000 I don't want to go into the Arctic like him. 1.00
00:46:13.000 Holy shit. 1.00
00:46:14.000 It's because you live in Boston. 1.00
00:46:16.000 You get an allergy to cold.
00:46:18.000 My friend Mark Della Grotte, he's ready to go.
00:46:21.000 He's done.
00:46:21.000 He's been there for too long.
00:46:22.000 We were just talking about this weekend.
00:46:24.000 A lot of people, they get like that, but...
00:46:26.000 They hit the wall.
00:46:29.000 You know, I think two of the most boring subjects on earth are like how cold it is and how wonderful the weather is out here.
00:46:38.000 And then the other one is how someone lost weight. 0.99
00:46:41.000 You know, I look at them like, what makes you think I give a fuck how you lost this weight? 0.98
00:46:45.000 And then they'll ask me how somebody else lost weight, like Frank Santorelli lost weight. 0.99
00:46:50.000 And he wanted to tell me, Frank, we have to talk about something with more substance.
00:46:56.000 And then people will say to me, how did Lenny Clark lose weight? 0.99
00:47:00.000 It's like, I don't give a shit how he lost weight. 0.99
00:47:03.000 I'm a self-centered fucking comedian anyway. 0.99
00:47:08.000 The good thing about cold weather, though, is it teaches people character. 0.99
00:47:11.000 The people out here that have never had to deal with an earthquake, they don't know any weather-related, nature-related hazards.
00:47:19.000 If you stay here, it just stays warm, and then it gets a little cool, and then it stays warm.
00:47:25.000 I spent one winter out here that was horrible.
00:47:28.000 I was...
00:47:30.000 Trying to get sitcoms and never getting anything.
00:47:32.000 And it rained every day.
00:47:34.000 Really?
00:47:34.000 It was horrible.
00:47:35.000 And I was staying in one of these corporate apartments.
00:47:38.000 Oakwoods, gardens.
00:47:39.000 Yeah, but it was a cheaper version. 0.98
00:47:42.000 And the guy next door was from Jamaica and he was on the phone all fucking night. 0.94
00:47:46.000 He said, this is the only time I can talk to her. 0.98
00:47:48.000 It's got to be this time of night.
00:47:50.000 I'm telling you, man, it's real important.
00:47:52.000 I remember.
00:47:52.000 Banging!
00:47:53.000 I was going nuts.
00:47:55.000 Yeah.
00:47:56.000 How long you been out here?
00:47:57.000 Since 94. Oh, you've been out here a while.
00:48:00.000 Forever.
00:48:01.000 I've been here more than anywhere else in my life.
00:48:03.000 But that's my observation.
00:48:04.000 You grew up in Newton, didn't you?
00:48:05.000 Well, I lived there from...
00:48:07.000 I lived in Jamaica Plain...
00:48:10.000 From, I guess, 13 to, yeah, 13 to 14. I lived there for a year, and then I lived in Newton from 14 to 20. And then I lived in Revere, and I lived in Saugus for a while.
00:48:26.000 You know, you got a reputation.
00:48:28.000 It's a good reputation.
00:48:28.000 For what?
00:48:30.000 Oh, that's good.
00:48:31.000 What did I do?
00:48:31.000 Yeah.
00:48:34.000 Well, it's just what we were just talking about.
00:48:38.000 You have a reputation as a badass.
00:48:40.000 Oh, that reputation.
00:48:42.000 Yeah.
00:48:43.000 That's a good thing. 1.00
00:48:44.000 It's mostly bullshit. 0.99
00:48:45.000 Well, you had Tyson on, and it was interesting that he didn't want to go back to it. 0.99
00:48:50.000 Do you know Marvin Hagler has the same problem?
00:48:53.000 Oh, yeah.
00:48:53.000 Well, he was the only guy that ever just quit at the time.
00:48:56.000 But he won't punch a bag or anything.
00:48:58.000 Really?
00:48:58.000 Because that thing comes up in him where he wants to do it again.
00:49:02.000 It's like an addiction.
00:49:03.000 And he's got to be 60 now.
00:49:05.000 It's still welling up inside of him.
00:49:07.000 I respect him so much.
00:49:09.000 I always looked up to him when I was fighting because I remember the discipline that that guy had.
00:49:15.000 I remember watching videos of him.
00:49:17.000 He was living on the Cape.
00:49:19.000 He would do his training camp in the Cape.
00:49:41.000 Yeah.
00:49:43.000 He didn't even look like a...
00:49:44.000 I mean, he was so jacked for a boxer.
00:49:47.000 When you think about, like, most boxers, they didn't have that kind of a physique.
00:49:52.000 His physique was, like, almost like a gymnast, you know, when he was in his prime.
00:49:56.000 And he just was so disciplined and so...
00:49:59.000 And then beat the fuck out of everybody and then lost that one very controversial fight.
00:50:04.000 I was at that fight, yeah. 0.51
00:50:06.000 Yeah, and then he was like, that's it.
00:50:08.000 See ya.
00:50:08.000 I've had enough.
00:50:09.000 Went to Italy. 1.00
00:50:10.000 Became a fucking movie star. 1.00
00:50:12.000 Which is crazy. 1.00
00:50:13.000 Apparently, I mean, I've never seen an Italian movie with marvelous Marvin Hagler in it.
00:50:18.000 Nobody has.
00:50:20.000 I think they have in Italy.
00:50:21.000 I think it's a myth.
00:50:22.000 It might be a myth.
00:50:25.000 The rumor was always that he threw the fight with Leonard, that he could have KO'd Leonard, but all he had to do was let Leonard go to a decision, he would lose that decision.
00:50:37.000 They'd pay him a boatload of cash, and he goes to Italy.
00:50:42.000 What is this?
00:50:42.000 Is this Marvin Hagler in a movie?
00:50:44.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:50:45.000 Oh, really?
00:50:46.000 Oh, he is in a movie.
00:50:47.000 I've never seen that.
00:50:49.000 Jesus Christ.
00:50:50.000 Oh, that's a long time ago because he looks really young back then.
00:50:53.000 Oh, my God.
00:50:54.000 Indio, too.
00:50:54.000 He is in one.
00:50:55.000 No one's ever seen those movies.
00:50:57.000 Wow.
00:50:58.000 So this is an Italian movie.
00:50:59.000 Well, you know, they made all those spaghetti westerns with Clint Eastwood.
00:51:02.000 They did all those movies in Italy.
00:51:04.000 Isn't that something?
00:51:04.000 Oh, my God.
00:51:05.000 Those movies, those...
00:51:07.000 Look at you.
00:51:07.000 Good job.
00:51:08.000 Look at you shooting everybody. 0.98
00:51:10.000 Yeah.
00:51:10.000 Oh, yeah.
00:51:12.000 Jesus, he's an action star.
00:51:14.000 That's hilarious.
00:51:14.000 Isn't that amazing?
00:51:15.000 Well, he's still jacked in that movie, so he must have been doing some kind of exercising.
00:51:19.000 Look at him.
00:51:20.000 Oh, my God. 0.62
00:51:22.000 He's punching people.
00:51:24.000 Jesus Christ.
00:51:24.000 They're flying through the air.
00:51:26.000 So, Indio, it looks like, oh, this is so hilarious.
00:51:29.000 This is so hilarious.
00:51:32.000 Now, you know, when you do a movie and the guy hits you, you're supposed to move your head so that he's not actually hitting you.
00:51:40.000 And I hope Marvin knew that.
00:51:43.000 I'm sure he had.
00:51:44.000 Because he, thank God, he pulled a punch.
00:51:47.000 I did a movie in Boston called Southie where the guy throws me in a dumpster and kills me, right?
00:51:54.000 And they had to do it over and over.
00:51:55.000 And the guy just got out of Walpole, the state penitentiary.
00:52:00.000 I'm not going to mention his name, but he's the director now out here, as a matter of fact. 0.99
00:52:03.000 I said, hey, do you know this is a fucking movie? 0.98
00:52:06.000 You know, because he's firing the shot, the starter's pistol, and he kept throwing me over. 0.99
00:52:12.000 That guy is in everything.
00:52:14.000 What year is that?
00:52:15.000 Brian Dennehy.
00:52:16.000 This one was 1989. 1989. So, 1989 was probably just a few years after he retired.
00:52:21.000 I feel like he retired somewhere around 86, 87. When did he fight Leonard?
00:52:28.000 What an era that was.
00:52:30.000 Oh, it was amazing.
00:52:31.000 We used to watch, remember you'd go to see closed circuit fights?
00:52:35.000 We'd go to a theater and you'd watch it on a big screen, closed circuit.
00:52:37.000 I can't tell you how many, I got so ripped off because you had Tyson on.
00:52:42.000 I remember driving, I was out here to go to this big fight, 50 bucks and I walked in and Tyson knocked him out in the first round.
00:52:49.000 That was all that ever happened.
00:52:51.000 People were trying to figure out if it was worth it.
00:52:53.000 Yeah, he was amazing.
00:52:54.000 Yeah, but it was...
00:52:55.000 87. 87. Interesting.
00:52:59.000 And that was it.
00:53:00.000 He's like, I'm done.
00:53:01.000 So that was only two years after he retired.
00:53:02.000 He was doing movies.
00:53:04.000 John the Beast Mugabe.
00:53:06.000 Marvin Hagler versus John the Beast Mugabe.
00:53:08.000 Did Marvin have hair for Mugabe?
00:53:10.000 No.
00:53:11.000 I remember seeing Marvin with hair at the gardens.
00:53:14.000 What?
00:53:14.000 Yeah.
00:53:15.000 Did he grow it out for a goof? 0.88
00:53:16.000 No, he had a hard head.
00:53:18.000 Early in his career? 0.99
00:53:18.000 He had a really fucking hard... 0.99
00:53:19.000 He had an extra inch of skull or something they were saying. 0.99
00:53:22.000 No, it was the side temples.
00:53:24.000 Is that what it was?
00:53:25.000 He has his giant temple muscles.
00:53:26.000 They said he was almost like built with headgear.
00:53:28.000 His head Mugabe?
00:53:29.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:53:30.000 Mugabe was a murderous puncher. 0.98
00:53:31.000 No, that's Thomas Hearns. 0.96
00:53:32.000 No, that's the voice of Thomas Hearns.
00:53:34.000 That's Mugabe for sure.
00:53:35.000 Mugabe, he hit Marvin Haggard with an uppercut and snapped his head back.
00:53:39.000 And this is an uppercut that he was knocking everybody out.
00:53:42.000 But not Marvin.
00:53:43.000 Marvin took a punch better than anybody.
00:53:45.000 He said the fight only started when he started to bleed.
00:53:48.000 I think Juan Roaldan was the only guy that ever knocked Marvin down, but it wasn't a real knockdown.
00:53:53.000 It was a trip, and they counted it as a knockdown.
00:53:56.000 He was a tremendous fighter.
00:53:58.000 Look at how inside, look at how he gets inside.
00:54:01.000 But so was Mugabe. 0.99
00:54:01.000 Mugabe was a murderous puncher man. 0.99
00:54:04.000 He was knocking everybody out. 0.72
00:54:06.000 He knocked out Terry Norris.
00:54:07.000 He knocked people out dead.
00:54:09.000 Like you would hit them and they would go flying, but not Marvin.
00:54:12.000 Marvin stood right in front of him and eventually KO'd him.
00:54:12.000 Jesus Christ.
00:54:15.000 And then Mugabe was never the same again. 1.00
00:54:17.000 Once he realized that this motherfucker could stand right in front of him and beat the shit out of him. 1.00
00:54:21.000 What does this referee stop? 1.00
00:54:22.000 What is he doing?
00:54:23.000 I don't know what's going on there.
00:54:24.000 That's Mills Lane.
00:54:25.000 Hey, now that we have a break in the action, I'd like to plug my movie, Sweeney Killing Sweeney.
00:54:32.000 We talked about it.
00:54:32.000 Yeah, middle of March.
00:54:33.000 It's coming out.
00:54:34.000 I want to plug it again.
00:54:36.000 We'll plug it. 0.94
00:54:37.000 We'll plug the shit out of it. 0.96
00:54:38.000 When it comes out, we'll put it on Twitter. 0.95
00:54:40.000 All right, buddy.
00:54:40.000 I appreciate that.
00:54:42.000 But that guy, Marvin Haggard, was to me, he was the epitome of discipline.
00:54:46.000 And I thought about a disciplined fighter.
00:54:48.000 It was him.
00:54:49.000 Always in shape.
00:54:50.000 Always ready to go.
00:54:52.000 And then the discipline to never come back.
00:54:53.000 That was amazing, too, to me. 0.92
00:54:55.000 I respected the fuck out of that.
00:54:56.000 Because fighters never know when to leave.
00:54:59.000 He knew when to leave.
00:55:00.000 And to this day, I saw him in an interview recently.
00:55:02.000 He's fine.
00:55:03.000 Talks completely normal.
00:55:05.000 I had some chowder with him at the Prudential Center.
00:55:08.000 How often?
00:55:09.000 How long ago, rather?
00:55:10.000 Maybe a year ago.
00:55:12.000 He's a very regular guy.
00:55:14.000 Yeah, like no brain damage, no slurring of the words.
00:55:17.000 No, he's fine.
00:55:18.000 Yeah, that's amazing.
00:55:20.000 When a fighter can figure out how to get out before all that stuff hits, that's amazing.
00:55:23.000 But you know how they feel?
00:55:25.000 They feel like no one else should tell them when to quit.
00:55:29.000 Oh, of course.
00:55:30.000 Have you had Mickey Rourke on this show?
00:55:31.000 No, I haven't.
00:55:32.000 Yeah.
00:55:33.000 I would, though.
00:55:35.000 Because I think that I read he was fighting at 57 in Russia or something.
00:55:40.000 Oh, older than that.
00:55:41.000 I think he was 62. I think he was 62 when he had his last fight.
00:55:41.000 Really?
00:55:44.000 And it might have been a fake fight.
00:55:46.000 Oh, really?
00:55:47.000 I'm not going to lie to you.
00:55:48.000 It looked like maybe Mickey thought it was real and the gentleman he was fighting...
00:55:52.000 He's 66. 66?
00:55:54.000 He was 66 and he was in a boxing match?
00:55:56.000 He's 66 now.
00:55:58.000 I believe he was 62 or 63 when he hit his last altercation inside the ropes.
00:56:03.000 You know, boxing gyms, the old ones, were fun to hang around.
00:56:07.000 I remember I was sitting there with these five guys and we were talking about some election.
00:56:15.000 And they weren't saying anything.
00:56:16.000 And the guy said, do you realize that we're all convicted felons?
00:56:20.000 Like, why are you talking to us about who to vote for?
00:56:25.000 You know what I mean?
00:56:26.000 Is that him now?
00:56:27.000 That's Mickey.
00:56:28.000 Wow, look at him.
00:56:29.000 That's him last year.
00:56:31.000 Looking good for 65. Looks like he's at some sort of a homeless shelter or something.
00:56:35.000 Where's he getting his clothes there?
00:56:37.000 He's got no shirt on.
00:56:38.000 He's in Rome, I think.
00:56:39.000 In Rome?
00:56:41.000 I just saw something with him and he was walking a fashion show.
00:56:45.000 Yeah?
00:56:46.000 I've seen him at the UFCs before.
00:56:48.000 He's always there saying hi.
00:56:50.000 He's a nice guy.
00:56:51.000 In very good shape for his age.
00:56:54.000 I mean, he used to spar with James Toney.
00:56:59.000 He used to...
00:57:00.000 Like, one of the things that he did that was probably very questionable was when he was at the height of his movie career, he decided to stop and become a professional boxer.
00:57:08.000 But I think he was a fighter before he was an actor.
00:57:08.000 A fighter.
00:57:10.000 Yes, he was.
00:57:11.000 But when he stopped...
00:57:12.000 He was down in Miami.
00:57:13.000 I think he kind of felt like acting was fake and that he needed something real in his life so he was going to have some professional fights, but...
00:57:21.000 Apparently, that's why he started getting all that plastic surgery. 0.99
00:57:24.000 He fucked his face up. 1.00
00:57:25.000 His face was getting smashed in. 1.00
00:57:27.000 You were an amateur MMA guy?
00:57:29.000 No MMA, just kickboxing and taekwondo.
00:57:31.000 Oh, kickboxing.
00:57:32.000 There was no MMA when I was fighting.
00:57:35.000 It didn't exist yet.
00:57:36.000 At least not in America.
00:57:38.000 I didn't find out about MMA until I... What's that like, being in the ring?
00:57:38.000 Wow.
00:57:42.000 It was nerve-wracking.
00:57:44.000 The thing about it, too, is there's no money in it.
00:57:46.000 You're fighting for free, and you're training for months or weeks or however long it is that you have.
00:57:54.000 You're constantly sparring.
00:57:56.000 You're constantly getting kicked and punched.
00:57:59.000 It's terrible for you.
00:58:01.000 But it's a good thing to learn.
00:58:03.000 I think it's a very important thing to learn.
00:58:05.000 To know how to fight is a very good thing.
00:58:07.000 But to fight, you gotta know...
00:58:09.000 Unless you're doing it professionally, you gotta know when to stop.
00:58:12.000 You gotta know when...
00:58:13.000 And I started getting a lot of headaches.
00:58:15.000 Did you?
00:58:15.000 Yeah, I was sparring.
00:58:17.000 But that's one thing about Boston.
00:58:19.000 Like, we're talking about Boston...
00:58:21.000 Boston audiences are hard.
00:58:23.000 Boston sparring's hard.
00:58:25.000 Boston fighters, there's not a lot of technical sparring.
00:58:30.000 When you technically spar with somebody, if you hit them, you hit them like this.
00:58:33.000 You don't hit them full blast.
00:58:35.000 You tap each other so you know where you're making mistakes.
00:58:39.000 There was none of that.
00:58:40.000 It was just swing for the bleachers. 1.00
00:58:43.000 Every fucking round was war. 0.99
00:58:45.000 You know what's like that, that I still go to, that I love, is the golden gloves. 0.99
00:58:49.000 Oh, yeah.
00:58:50.000 I mean, it's all action.
00:58:51.000 Three rounds.
00:58:52.000 But that's a competition.
00:58:53.000 What I'm talking about is training.
00:58:55.000 The real beatings you take are in the gym.
00:58:57.000 The beatings that nobody ever sees.
00:58:59.000 You know what's amazing is that this friend of mine, Jimmy Farrell, had a gym in Quincy.
00:59:05.000 And I look at these guys and I say, wow, this guy's amazing.
00:59:09.000 He said, that guy's record is five wins and 13 losses.
00:59:13.000 And I said, that guy?
00:59:16.000 I mean, that's how good you have to be.
00:59:18.000 I mean, these guys are like, there's no...
00:59:21.000 Well, also some, they're inconsistent.
00:59:23.000 Like, a lot of fighters are very impulsive people, so they're often inconsistent.
00:59:27.000 Like, they'll get in shape for a few fights, and then a few other fights they'll fuck off, they drink too much, they party, and then they go in the ring and they lose, and they'll lose a close decision, or they'll lose a war.
00:59:38.000 Isn't it a lot of it about style, too? 0.96
00:59:40.000 Sure.
00:59:41.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:59:42.000 My favorite fight ever, from a boxing point of view, was Ali and Frazier.
00:59:50.000 Because, well, for one thing, it was a fight to the death.
00:59:53.000 Right.
00:59:53.000 I mean, they literally were fighting.
00:59:55.000 All three times.
00:59:56.000 Yeah, to the death.
00:59:57.000 But Joe Frazier was an inside fighter, and he was so low.
01:00:01.000 And then Ali would stay away from him and just jab, and it was just a beautiful exhibition of Fighting styles.
01:00:07.000 Inside fighting and outside fighting. 0.99
01:00:09.000 Do you think there's anybody listening to this that is interested in this shit? 1.00
01:00:13.000 They are. 1.00
01:00:14.000 Believe it or not.
01:00:15.000 The left hook that Joe Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with.
01:00:18.000 100%.
01:00:19.000 The left hook Joe Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with when he won the title.
01:00:22.000 When he beat him when the Ali's come back. 1.00
01:00:25.000 And that was like, this is one of the greatest punches of all time.
01:00:27.000 One of the most epic punches.
01:00:30.000 Yeah, I mean, just swung that wild left hook and clipped him right on the chin and dropped him.
01:00:35.000 It's one of the most iconic photos of all time.
01:00:37.000 It's Joe Frazier leaping through the air, landing that left hook on the jaw of Ali and Ali going down.
01:00:44.000 I'm going to go back, okay?
01:00:47.000 What are you going to do?
01:00:48.000 There was a guy named Floyd Patterson.
01:00:50.000 Who had that.
01:00:50.000 Sure.
01:00:52.000 He lost to Sonny Liston.
01:00:54.000 Sonny Liston.
01:00:55.000 I'm just reading about Sonny Liston.
01:00:57.000 Sonny Liston was a murderer.
01:00:58.000 Sonny Liston was one of 25 kids.
01:01:01.000 His father was like a sharecropper, and he got involved in gangs and all this.
01:01:11.000 One of those guys, you know?
01:01:13.000 I think he ended his career...
01:01:14.000 He got shot or something.
01:01:15.000 He died or something.
01:01:16.000 No, he died of a drug overdose.
01:01:18.000 Drug overdose, yeah.
01:01:18.000 I think he ended his career as like a bouncer in Vegas.
01:01:22.000 Yeah.
01:01:22.000 You know, like a doorman or something like that at a casino.
01:01:25.000 But one of those guys, like Joe Louis, whatever.
01:01:28.000 Yeah, those big guys that end up...
01:01:30.000 Yeah.
01:01:31.000 You know, it's a funny sport.
01:01:33.000 Did you ever watch that fight with him and Floyd Patterson?
01:01:36.000 Uh...
01:01:38.000 Not that one.
01:01:39.000 Terrifying.
01:01:39.000 Oh yeah, I think I may have.
01:01:41.000 Terrifying.
01:01:42.000 But I remember when, I'm old enough to remember when Cassius Clay beat Sonny Liston.
01:01:47.000 Yeah, beat him twice.
01:01:48.000 He was like 8-1.
01:01:49.000 That was another fight where a lot of people thought it was fixed.
01:01:51.000 The second fight?
01:01:52.000 The second one.
01:01:53.000 Lewiston, Maine.
01:01:54.000 Yeah.
01:01:54.000 The hidden punch.
01:01:56.000 Well, you could see the punch.
01:01:57.000 They called it a phantom punch.
01:01:59.000 You could see the punch, but he called it an anchor punch.
01:02:03.000 Because it's like, as Liston was coming forward, he dropped it down on him like that.
01:02:08.000 And a lot of people say it didn't land.
01:02:10.000 But you could see his head react.
01:02:11.000 It definitely landed.
01:02:12.000 The question was whether or not he decided to stay down once he got hit.
01:02:16.000 And I think he did.
01:02:17.000 If you watch it, it just doesn't look realistic.
01:02:20.000 Like, if you watch when he goes down, the way he went down seemed maybe legit, but the way he stumbled around, he didn't stumble around like a guy whose central nervous system got jacked.
01:02:30.000 Here, we can watch it right here.
01:02:32.000 1965, baby.
01:02:33.000 Wow, what a great producer you've got.
01:02:34.000 He's the best.
01:02:35.000 Watch this.
01:02:36.000 Look at this.
01:02:37.000 See, that's a real punch, 100%.
01:02:39.000 And him dropping is real, too.
01:02:42.000 There's no doubt about it.
01:02:44.000 The question was whether that was enough to take him out.
01:02:47.000 Bank.
01:02:47.000 Look at that.
01:02:48.000 It could have.
01:02:49.000 But watch the case.
01:02:50.000 See if you can find the knockout, Jamie, because what's crazy about it wasn't him dropping him, because I think that was legit.
01:02:58.000 What's crazy was how afterwards he stumbled around like he couldn't move, like he couldn't get up.
01:03:05.000 It just didn't seem real.
01:03:06.000 We just had it there.
01:03:08.000 Long explanation.
01:03:09.000 I don't know if they're going to show the actual thing.
01:03:11.000 Well, they just showed him trying to get up.
01:03:14.000 That guy looks like Kevin Spacey.
01:03:17.000 I don't know if that was the actual...
01:03:19.000 Here it is.
01:03:20.000 Here it is.
01:03:21.000 Watch.
01:03:21.000 Play it.
01:03:22.000 Here's the punch.
01:03:23.000 Boom.
01:03:23.000 Now watch.
01:03:24.000 He goes down, and he just sort of laid down on his back.
01:03:29.000 And then he kind of stumbled around and acted like he couldn't get up.
01:03:33.000 They just keep showing it over and over again.
01:03:34.000 It was 100% a legitimate punch.
01:03:36.000 And people who say it's not, they've never seen people get KO'd.
01:03:40.000 Because people get KO'd in all sorts of weird ways.
01:03:42.000 It doesn't really make sense. 0.98
01:03:44.000 A human being getting punched in the face, weird shit happens. 0.99
01:03:49.000 Especially you get punched on the jaw. 0.99
01:03:52.000 People get touched with a jab sometimes when they go out.
01:03:55.000 It doesn't make sense.
01:03:57.000 And also sometimes, here it is, it's right here.
01:04:00.000 Also sometimes it's weird because you might have gotten hurt real bad in training.
01:04:05.000 So a lot of guys come into these fights and they're already injured.
01:04:09.000 They just, boom, right there.
01:04:11.000 Now let's watch them stumble around. 0.88
01:04:13.000 So he goes down and he lays down on his back.
01:04:15.000 See, this is where I'm not buying it. 0.99
01:04:17.000 This just seems like horseshit. 0.97
01:04:19.000 But I could be wrong. 0.97
01:04:22.000 Now he's stumbling.
01:04:23.000 See, like right there?
01:04:24.000 That seemed like he decided to stumble and go down.
01:04:27.000 And he's trying to get back up.
01:04:29.000 I could be wrong.
01:04:31.000 I could be wrong.
01:04:32.000 But I'm not buying it.
01:04:35.000 And so the referee was Jersey Joe Walcott, who's a very famous champion of his own.
01:04:43.000 Now they stopped the fight.
01:04:44.000 Now why did they stop the fight?
01:04:46.000 I don't know.
01:04:46.000 I don't remember.
01:04:49.000 I don't remember.
01:04:49.000 Well, you know, the first fight...
01:04:53.000 Fifth round, I think it was.
01:04:56.000 Liston put some white stuff on his gloves.
01:04:58.000 Yeah.
01:04:59.000 And he blinded.
01:05:00.000 This is how crooked the game was.
01:05:01.000 He blinded Ali.
01:05:02.000 Yeah.
01:05:03.000 Cassius Clay.
01:05:05.000 So Liston wasn't above, you know.
01:05:07.000 Cheating.
01:05:08.000 Yeah.
01:05:09.000 Do you remember that fighter?
01:05:11.000 Oh, my God.
01:05:12.000 This is so frightening.
01:05:14.000 He wrapped something in his...
01:05:16.000 Louis Resto.
01:05:17.000 Yeah.
01:05:18.000 Billy Collins Jr. No, he took all the padding out of his gloves.
01:05:18.000 Was it cement or something?
01:05:22.000 Back in the day, they used to use horse hair with the gloves, and you could put a little hole in the gloves and pull the padding out.
01:05:31.000 And Louis Resto.
01:05:32.000 Panama Lewis was his trainer, and Panama Lewis was also the same guy that gave Aaron Pryor that little jab of cocaine right before he knocked out Alexis Arguello.
01:05:43.000 I mean, they think it was cocaine.
01:05:45.000 He said, give me the other bottle, the one that I prepared.
01:05:47.000 He gives it to Aaron Pryor, and then Aaron Pryor goes out and starches Alexis Arguello. 0.97
01:05:51.000 And they had a crazy war of a fight, and then he gives them something in this little bottle, and then Aaron Pryor goes out like a bat out of hell.
01:05:58.000 And the question was always, what was in that bottle?
01:06:02.000 Because there was no sophisticated drug testing back then.
01:06:05.000 But Panama Lewis... 0.70
01:06:06.000 But there was one of them that actually put cement or something in their gloves.
01:06:10.000 There was that.
01:06:11.000 That was a more recent one.
01:06:13.000 That was that Mexican gentleman that fought...
01:06:16.000 Who did he do that to?
01:06:19.000 Is that the redhead? 1.00
01:06:20.000 No, no, no.
01:06:21.000 He doesn't fight anymore.
01:06:24.000 I'm drawing a blank on his name. 1.00
01:06:24.000 Fuck! 1.00
01:06:26.000 But he beat up some really prominent fighters that way. 1.00
01:06:32.000 Who the fuck did he... 0.99
01:06:33.000 There was one fight in particular... 1.00
01:06:37.000 Boy, I'm seeing the guy in my face.
01:06:39.000 Margarito?
01:06:40.000 Antonio Margarito.
01:06:40.000 Yes!
01:06:40.000 Antonio Margarito.
01:06:42.000 Pull up his record, because he did it to some legit fighters.
01:06:47.000 And really beat them up.
01:06:49.000 And they were like, it didn't even make sense how hard he was hitting me.
01:06:51.000 Because he would put plaster of Paris, apparently, inside the wraps.
01:06:55.000 Miguel Cotto, that's who it was.
01:06:57.000 And then Miguel Cotto beat the shit out of him in the rematch. 0.98
01:07:00.000 And Shane Mosley, Sugar Shane Mosley, beat the fuck out of him. 0.92
01:07:02.000 When they found this...
01:07:04.000 After he knocked out Miguel Cotto, when he beat him up in the 11th round, he stopped him, and it was a horrible stoppage, too. 0.97
01:07:10.000 He beat the shit out of him.
01:07:11.000 Then, the Shane Mosley fight was the fight that he lost. 0.99
01:07:14.000 That was the next fight, and during the wrapping of the gloves, Shane Mosley's camp was to go, what the fuck is in his wraps? 1.00
01:07:22.000 They recognized it and had him re-wrap his hands, and then Shane Mosley beat his fucking ass. 1.00
01:07:28.000 And then he beat Robert Garcia, and then Manny Pacquiao fucked him up, and then Miguel Cotto fucked him up. 1.00
01:07:33.000 But the Miguel Cotto fight, the first one, it was bad. 0.93
01:07:37.000 I mean, his face was busted up, and that's when people had suspicions. 0.98
01:07:42.000 But they didn't know until they saw the wrapping of the gloves, and then they looked at every one of his fights before that, and they would go, oh, this motherfucker had plaster in his gloves. 0.97
01:07:49.000 Did you ever see the movie Fat City? 0.99
01:07:53.000 Fat City.
01:07:54.000 Stacey Keech.
01:07:56.000 It's about club fighters down in Stockton, California.
01:08:00.000 It's a fantastic movie.
01:08:01.000 I don't think I ever saw that.
01:08:02.000 One of Jeff Bridges' first movies, and John Huston directed it.
01:08:06.000 It was one of the best fight movies ever.
01:08:08.000 This fight that I was talking about earlier, the Louis Resto fight, this Billy Collins Jr. guy, he was an up-and-coming contender, and he was blinded in the fight, and he could never fight again.
01:08:18.000 This kid that he fought, Louis Resto, they pulled all the padding out of the gloves, And he just fucked up this guy's face to the point where he had detached retinas and he couldn't see straight and became an alcoholic afterwards.
01:08:31.000 There he is right there. 0.94
01:08:33.000 Wow.
01:08:33.000 Look at his face.
01:08:34.000 Yeah, and it became a really big story.
01:08:38.000 Salt with a deadly weapon right there.
01:08:41.000 I think at the end of the other guy's life or at some point he admitted that he did it.
01:08:46.000 There was some documentary about it that the guy finally admitted that he was using.
01:08:51.000 Oh, people have done that forever.
01:08:52.000 People have done that forever. 0.99
01:08:53.000 I was sparring with a guy once and I went to touch his gloves and I was like, what the fuck is in your gloves? 0.78
01:08:57.000 And his padding had all been, it was those old style boxing gloves. 0.96
01:09:02.000 The padding had all been pushed back and it was like, it was all like almost raw knuckle. 1.00
01:09:08.000 People are assholes. 1.00
01:09:09.000 Yeah, I've experienced that before. 1.00
01:09:11.000 What's interesting now is that people are actually fighting bare knuckle.
01:09:15.000 There's a whole bare knuckle boxing organization out of Wyoming.
01:09:18.000 Do you have all your knuckles?
01:09:19.000 Yeah, they're all there.
01:09:21.000 I got one that was broken.
01:09:23.000 Oh wow, it moves weird.
01:09:25.000 Clicks.
01:09:26.000 That was Bobby Salve's nose.
01:09:29.000 Bobby Salve. 0.99
01:09:30.000 Is there a more fucking Boston name than Bobby Salve? 1.00
01:09:33.000 Fucking Bobby Salve. 1.00
01:09:34.000 I fucking hit him with a fucking overhand, fucking left. 1.00
01:09:37.000 He fucking went down like a fucking sock of potatoes. 1.00
01:09:40.000 You know, what's good, too, is the rap. 1.00
01:09:43.000 You know, when a guy's going to fight.
01:09:46.000 Well, no.
01:09:47.000 I used to beat guys like you up on the way to a fight. 1.00
01:09:51.000 Practice falling, asshole. 1.00
01:09:52.000 You know, all that shit. 1.00
01:09:53.000 I like that. 1.00
01:09:54.000 Just like in basketball, you know, the... 0.55
01:09:57.000 Trash talk. 0.90
01:09:58.000 Trash talk, yeah. 0.97
01:09:59.000 Sometimes it works.
01:10:00.000 There's a thing about when someone gets inside your head, someone's really mean to you.
01:10:04.000 I was kind of thinking that.
01:10:06.000 When you see Liston and Ali, right?
01:10:10.000 Yeah.
01:10:11.000 How could, like, it look like...
01:10:13.000 Liston was like afraid of him.
01:10:15.000 How could he be? 0.93
01:10:16.000 Well, if you go back to that fight, the reason why, and this is Ali did this on purpose, he acted like a crazy person. 0.72
01:10:23.000 Because he's like that Sonny Liston was a bully, and Sonny Liston was a big scary man, and what he felt like Sonny Liston would be afraid of is a crazy person.
01:10:31.000 Someone who wasn't afraid of him.
01:10:33.000 So in all the press conferences and all the different things leading up to the fight, he would scream at him.
01:10:37.000 He would show up at Sonny Liston's house and honk the horn in the middle of the night and get on his lawn and scream and yell at him. 0.99
01:10:43.000 He did a lot of crazy shit to Sonny Liston to fuck with him psychologically. 1.00
01:10:47.000 And he won. 1.00
01:10:48.000 He did.
01:10:49.000 He did it psychologically, didn't he?
01:10:50.000 He wanted Sonny Liston to think that he was a crazy person and that he would never stop.
01:10:56.000 Yeah.
01:10:57.000 I mean, he essentially did it.
01:10:57.000 And that's...
01:10:59.000 There was one point in time when they were...
01:11:02.000 See, we just...
01:11:03.000 Let me hear some of this.
01:11:04.000 Right.
01:11:10.000 He made him know that he wasn't scared of him.
01:11:12.000 Yeah.
01:11:13.000 He let him know he wasn't scared of him.
01:11:14.000 And they were doing his blood pressure, and his blood pressure was so high, his heart rate was so high, they weren't going to let him fight.
01:11:20.000 They're like, what are you doing?
01:11:21.000 Sonny?
01:11:21.000 No, no.
01:11:22.000 He had to calm himself down, because he got himself worked up into a lather.
01:11:22.000 Ali's.
01:11:26.000 He was just so angry and so hyped up, trying to act like a crazy person, that when they were doing his pre-fight medicals, they were like, hey, you can't fight.
01:11:38.000 There's something wrong with you.
01:11:40.000 Here it is.
01:11:41.000 They're calming him down.
01:11:43.000 Wow.
01:11:45.000 He had to relax and calm down.
01:11:48.000 I'm the greatest.
01:11:49.000 I'm the greatest of all time.
01:11:51.000 I beat them all.
01:11:52.000 He was just so smart at psychological warfare.
01:11:58.000 There'd never been anybody like him psychologically that could just...
01:12:02.000 First of all, he was very funny. 0.99
01:12:06.000 He would say hilarious shit. 1.00
01:12:08.000 Howard Cosell said to him, Champ, you seem very truculent. 1.00
01:12:12.000 He goes, whatever truculent it is, if it's good, I'm that.
01:12:16.000 The timing was just perfect.
01:12:19.000 So he would say things that were funny.
01:12:22.000 He would say poetry.
01:12:24.000 He had that guy Bondini Brown behind him.
01:12:26.000 And they were always laughing and joking around together.
01:12:31.000 He had a tremendous support team. 1.00
01:12:33.000 And on top of that, he could fight his fucking ass off. 0.99
01:12:37.000 And he was a heavyweight that moved around like a middleweight. 0.99
01:12:41.000 Unbelievable.
01:12:42.000 I mean, he was a 200-plus pound, 215, 220-pound man, and he would shuffle and move and bob and weave, and he would be out there almost like a welterweight.
01:12:52.000 Do you think he's the greatest?
01:12:54.000 Boy, it's hard to say who's the greatest heavyweight of all time, but he's certainly in the conversation.
01:13:00.000 I mean, you would have to say, how would he have done against some of the bigger, stronger guys of the past, like a Lennox Lewis, who was in his prime, the high 240-pound range.
01:13:13.000 He was a much bigger guy.
01:13:18.000 See, Ali also comes in two stages.
01:13:21.000 There's Ali before 1967 when they took his license away, and there's Ali after 1970 when he came back.
01:13:27.000 And when he came back, he was never as fast, he was never as fleet of foot, because he didn't work out at all for three years. 0.98
01:13:33.000 He didn't do shit. 0.88
01:13:34.000 No, and when he came back, his return fight, he just didn't look right. 0.98
01:13:43.000 He didn't look like he had the same movement.
01:13:46.000 His body didn't have the same musculature.
01:13:49.000 He just, he fought...
01:13:53.000 Jerry...
01:13:53.000 No, it wasn't...
01:13:54.000 Jerry Quarry?
01:13:55.000 That's who it was.
01:13:55.000 Jerry Quarry.
01:13:56.000 And he beat him.
01:13:57.000 You know, he beat him up.
01:13:58.000 But he just didn't look like Muhammad Ali that fought...
01:14:02.000 Do you still go to boxing matches?
01:14:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:14:05.000 I'll still go to boxing matches.
01:14:06.000 I love watching on TV. Yeah.
01:14:08.000 Yeah, I try not to go to too many live events anymore because I go to so many of them with the UFC. Yeah.
01:14:13.000 You know, it's hard for me to go and...
01:14:16.000 Go see more of them live.
01:14:19.000 But I do enjoy them.
01:14:21.000 It's nothing like being ringside for Golden Gloves.
01:14:26.000 Have you ever been to a UFC fight?
01:14:28.000 No.
01:14:28.000 Will you come?
01:14:29.000 I'll get you tickets.
01:14:30.000 Sure.
01:14:30.000 Next time we're in Boston, I'll hook it up.
01:14:32.000 All right.
01:14:33.000 We go to Boston almost every year.
01:14:34.000 Okay.
01:14:35.000 Yeah.
01:14:35.000 Yeah, I love it.
01:14:36.000 Put some big fights together in Boston.
01:14:37.000 Yeah, I want you to go.
01:14:38.000 It's crazy.
01:14:39.000 It's wild.
01:14:40.000 See it live.
01:14:40.000 I'll get you right there on the floor, right in front of the cage.
01:14:44.000 It's amazing.
01:14:46.000 It's something unique.
01:14:46.000 Yeah.
01:14:48.000 That'll be a good date.
01:14:49.000 Yeah, it's way wilder.
01:14:52.000 Like, when you get used to watching the UFC, sometimes it's...
01:14:55.000 I mean, I really appreciate boxing.
01:14:57.000 I love it as a sport.
01:14:58.000 I love it just as a martial art.
01:15:01.000 I appreciate the elite of the elite.
01:15:03.000 But it's...
01:15:04.000 It's not as wild.
01:15:06.000 The UFC, because there's takedowns and kicks and strangleholds and arm bars, it's just way more wild.
01:15:13.000 Yeah.
01:15:13.000 It's way more exciting.
01:15:14.000 It's like a street fight.
01:15:16.000 It's like a super technical street fight between trained killers.
01:15:21.000 That's what it's like.
01:15:22.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:15:25.000 Well, listen, I want to thank you.
01:15:27.000 I want to thank you.
01:15:28.000 I want to thank you.
01:15:28.000 No, I mean it.
01:15:29.000 I mean it.
01:15:30.000 Listen, me, when I was coming up...
01:15:32.000 This is like a boxing show we just did.
01:15:33.000 Yeah, who cares?
01:15:34.000 You do whatever you want.
01:15:35.000 They say you don't have it, Muhammad.
01:15:35.000 That's right.
01:15:38.000 We can do whatever we want, man.
01:15:39.000 That's the beautiful thing about podcasts. 0.99
01:15:40.000 You can do whatever the fuck you want.
01:15:42.000 But you were a big inspiration of mine. 0.97
01:15:45.000 Thank you.
01:15:45.000 You and all those legends of Boston comedy.
01:15:49.000 And to this day, I think I saw some of the best comedy of my life ever when I was a young man coming up.
01:15:55.000 And when I was just starting out and opening for guys like you.
01:16:00.000 You know what made it special is nobody was doing it as a job.
01:16:00.000 Yeah.
01:16:04.000 We were all just doing it.
01:16:05.000 Because they said, I want to do this.
01:16:07.000 And there was no forethought or afterthought.
01:16:11.000 I mean, that's what I still love about...
01:16:15.000 Performing, you know, acting or stand-up is you're in the moment.
01:16:19.000 Right, right.
01:16:20.000 You're in the moment.
01:16:21.000 Well, Fitzsimmons is a good buddy of mine, and Greg Fitzsimmons, we started out together.
01:16:26.000 We talk about it to this day that back then, we didn't think of having a career.
01:16:31.000 Like, what are you talking about a career?
01:16:32.000 The best thing that we could ever envision was one day we'd be able to pay our bills doing stand-up comedy.
01:16:38.000 That's right.
01:16:39.000 That's all we would hope for.
01:16:40.000 Yeah.
01:16:40.000 Because I would look at guys like you or all the Boston guys that were getting, you know, that were making a living.
01:16:47.000 I was like, these guys don't even have a job.
01:16:49.000 I watched those guys myself and I was in awe.
01:16:52.000 Guys like Kenny Rogers.
01:16:54.000 Sure.
01:16:55.000 What a mind.
01:16:56.000 Yeah.
01:16:56.000 Or Stephen Wright.
01:16:57.000 I mean, they do things I can't do, you know?
01:16:59.000 Yeah.
01:17:00.000 And the way they can create jokes.
01:17:03.000 I did a movie with Rodney back to school and I'd just watch him.
01:17:08.000 You know, create these jokes.
01:17:10.000 You know, like the one line, like a haiku poem.
01:17:13.000 I go to the dentist the other day for yellow teeth.
01:17:16.000 He says, wear a brown tie.
01:17:18.000 You know?
01:17:19.000 Your mind's going in one direction.
01:17:22.000 I'll tell you another guy who's a fantastic joke writer.
01:17:27.000 The jokes he did, you couldn't do now.
01:17:29.000 It was Martin Mull.
01:17:31.000 Martin Maul from that television show.
01:17:34.000 Yeah, Fernwood Tonight.
01:17:35.000 He was on The Tonight Show and Johnny said, How you doing?
01:17:40.000 He said, Johnny, I'm as busy as jumper cables at a Puerto Rican wedding.
01:17:45.000 You couldn't do that joke today.
01:17:48.000 He said, I was watching Roots for 20 minutes.
01:17:52.000 No one scored a basket.
01:17:53.000 I turned it off.
01:17:57.000 By the way, that's Martin Maul.
01:17:58.000 That's not me.
01:18:00.000 And it's not Joe.
01:18:02.000 Did you like the documentary, When Stand Up Stood Out?
01:18:05.000 I did not participate in that.
01:18:07.000 How come?
01:18:09.000 Because I didn't want my family to go through watching that.
01:18:14.000 How so?
01:18:14.000 What do you mean?
01:18:15.000 It was about the decadence of it all and drugs and all that.
01:18:19.000 I like to think, you know, the important thing is the work.
01:18:22.000 Yeah.
01:18:23.000 Well, it was a little bit about the decadence, but it was also about this really unique thing.
01:18:29.000 I was paranoid about that.
01:18:29.000 Crimmins and those guys.
01:18:31.000 Barry, who passed away.
01:18:32.000 Yeah.
01:18:34.000 I was very sad, but I was very happy to know him.
01:18:38.000 I used to say to Barry, I'd be on a gig with Barry, And I'd say, Barry, these people are here to drink.
01:18:48.000 You're making references to the third undersecretary of state's policy in frickin' Uganda.
01:18:54.000 You know, they're not going to get it.
01:18:56.000 So you can't get mad at them for not getting it.
01:18:59.000 But he was, you know, I didn't agree with his politics at all.
01:19:04.000 But he really meant it.
01:19:06.000 So I respected that.
01:19:08.000 Well, he's a very smart guy.
01:19:09.000 And he also had extremely powerful ethics.
01:19:12.000 He was one of the reasons why no one respected any hacks in Boston.
01:19:16.000 Any thieves were punished.
01:19:18.000 It was because of Barry.
01:19:20.000 You had to have original material.
01:19:22.000 And everybody policed it.
01:19:24.000 It was a very unique environment because of him.
01:19:27.000 Rodney Dangerfield said that.
01:19:28.000 He said, when somebody steals a joke from me, It's like they're hitting one of my kids or something.
01:19:35.000 You feel that personal.
01:19:37.000 Well, you know how it is when you're working on a bid and it doesn't work well in the beginning.
01:19:42.000 And then it takes months to figure out how to twist it and perfect it.
01:19:46.000 And then someone comes along and takes the finished product.
01:19:49.000 It's a horrific thing.
01:19:51.000 But Barry made sure that that environment of Boston wasn't just that there was no thieves.
01:19:58.000 There was also no hacks. 1.00
01:20:00.000 Like, if you were doing, like, cop donut jokes or shit, he would just fucking spit in your face. 0.99
01:20:05.000 He didn't want none of that. 0.99
01:20:07.000 You know, Barry was a...
01:20:08.000 And he was a scary guy, man.
01:20:09.000 I remember when I was an open mic, I was so intimidated by him.
01:20:13.000 When he started being nice to me, I was like, huh...
01:20:15.000 Whew! 0.99
01:20:16.000 I made it through.
01:20:17.000 I was so worried that he was going to hate me.
01:20:20.000 That's so funny.
01:20:20.000 I was so worried he was going to hate me.
01:20:22.000 Well, I was worried that all those guys were going to hate me.
01:20:24.000 Really?
01:20:25.000 Yes.
01:20:26.000 Isn't that funny? 0.99
01:20:27.000 You're terrible. 0.99
01:20:28.000 You're terrible when you're first starting out and you see guys like you and Gavin. 0.96
01:20:32.000 I always felt like I was never going to be inside.
01:20:35.000 I was never going to make it.
01:20:36.000 Really?
01:20:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:20:37.000 Oh, yeah.
01:20:38.000 I felt like it was unattainable.
01:20:41.000 And you guys were the kings.
01:20:42.000 And now, like I said...
01:20:45.000 You're open for me, you're gonna hit the big time.
01:20:49.000 That's what the movie's about, by the way.
01:20:50.000 It's Boston comedy.
01:20:51.000 Yeah.
01:20:52.000 We shoot it at the Kowloon. 0.95
01:20:54.000 We shoot it downtown. 0.99
01:20:55.000 And we shoot it all over the city.
01:20:57.000 It's about Boston.
01:20:58.000 It's about comedy.
01:21:00.000 And I hope people come out and see you.
01:21:02.000 Tonight, Thursday, it's at the Lemire Music Hall here in Beverly Hills.
01:21:07.000 This Thursday?
01:21:07.000 Oh, is it really?
01:21:08.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:21:08.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:21:09.000 Do you want to go?
01:21:10.000 Yeah, I would love to go.
01:21:11.000 What time is it?
01:21:12.000 7.30.
01:21:13.000 I have a show at 8. I'm at the Improv, I think.
01:21:16.000 Oh, are you?
01:21:17.000 I think so. 1.00
01:21:20.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
01:21:21.000 Well, even if I can't make it on Thursday, I'll definitely... 0.99
01:21:25.000 Yeah, I'm at the Improv at 8 o'clock, unfortunately.
01:21:28.000 I spent a lot of nights at the Improv.
01:21:30.000 The Improv on Melrose?
01:21:32.000 In Hollywood?
01:21:32.000 It's a great spot.
01:21:33.000 Yeah, Bud was there.
01:21:34.000 It was great.
01:21:35.000 Those audiences were fantastic.
01:21:37.000 They still are to this day.
01:21:38.000 I've been doing a lot of shows.
01:21:39.000 I'm there tomorrow night.
01:21:40.000 I'm there Thursday night as well.
01:21:41.000 I'm trying to do more shows there.
01:21:43.000 Mix it up.
01:21:44.000 Because I mostly just do the Comedy Store when I'm in town and the Ice House in Pasadena.
01:21:48.000 Did you ever do that place?
01:21:49.000 I think so.
01:21:50.000 How long are you in town for?
01:21:53.000 Friday morning I'm flying out.
01:21:54.000 Oh yeah?
01:21:55.000 What are you doing tomorrow night?
01:21:56.000 You want to do a Saturday improv?
01:21:59.000 Sure, why not?
01:22:00.000 Alrighty!
01:22:01.000 Why not?
01:22:02.000 Steve Sweeney, ladies and gentlemen.
01:22:03.000 What's tomorrow night?
01:22:04.000 Tuesday?
01:22:05.000 Tomorrow night's Tuesday.
01:22:06.000 Yeah.
01:22:06.000 Why not?
01:22:07.000 Come on, baby. 0.97
01:22:08.000 Alright.
01:22:08.000 That'll be fun.
01:22:09.000 You're going to be on.
01:22:10.000 Yeah, you're going to be on, for sure.
01:22:12.000 Okay.
01:22:12.000 Yeah.
01:22:12.000 It'll be hot, and people will know you from the show.
01:22:15.000 Alright.
01:22:15.000 Yeah.
01:22:16.000 Thank you.
01:22:16.000 My pleasure.
01:22:17.000 So, when you decided to do this movie about Boston comedy, and you didn't want to do that When Stand Up Stood Out documentary...
01:22:26.000 That was many years ago.
01:22:29.000 So you knew it was just going to be about the decadence, but it was also documenting what stand-up was like in the ding-ho days?
01:22:36.000 I didn't know what it would be.
01:22:37.000 So you just decided to walk away from it?
01:22:39.000 Yeah, I didn't know.
01:22:40.000 You know, it was one of those decisions. 0.99
01:22:42.000 You know, it's like sometimes you make decisions that are really fucked up. 0.97
01:22:49.000 Do you remember Ed McMahon had a show? 0.98
01:22:52.000 What was it?
01:22:54.000 Star Search?
01:22:55.000 No, it was something.
01:22:56.000 Ed McMahon had this...
01:22:57.000 Wasn't he Star Search?
01:22:58.000 Yeah, it was Star Search.
01:22:59.000 Was that what it was?
01:23:00.000 Kevin James won!
01:23:01.000 So I'm auditioning for this show, and I'm saying, here I am, auditioning for a show I don't want to do, and I've been turned down.
01:23:12.000 So I said, wow, this is awful.
01:23:15.000 I did a lot of that.
01:23:16.000 I auditioned for sitcoms that I really didn't want, or movies, rather, that I really didn't want.
01:23:20.000 Do you like that?
01:23:22.000 No.
01:23:22.000 No, I retired.
01:23:24.000 I'm retired 100% from acting.
01:23:26.000 Wow.
01:23:27.000 Yeah.
01:23:27.000 Last movie I did was a Kevin James movie, but it's Kevin's a buddy of mine.
01:23:31.000 Yeah.
01:23:31.000 And I would do something with him just for a goof, but I don't enjoy acting.
01:23:36.000 I don't enjoy sitcoms.
01:23:38.000 I don't enjoy actors.
01:23:39.000 I like comics too much.
01:23:41.000 Yeah.
01:23:41.000 I like hanging around with comedians so much that when I'm hanging around with actors, I'm like, God, I wish you guys were comics.
01:23:46.000 Yeah.
01:23:47.000 Really?
01:23:47.000 Isn't that true?
01:23:48.000 Because, yeah, comics, they don't have any filter.
01:23:51.000 They're loose.
01:23:51.000 You know where you stand with them.
01:23:53.000 That is true.
01:23:53.000 You know where you stand with them.
01:23:54.000 If they like you, they really like you. 0.99
01:23:56.000 And they're accepting of weird shit and flaws. 1.00
01:23:59.000 Like, eh, he's fucking crazy. 1.00
01:24:00.000 What are you going to do? 1.00
01:24:00.000 It's funny, though. 1.00
01:24:01.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
01:24:01.000 People say shit like that. 1.00
01:24:03.000 You know what they used to say to me? 1.00
01:24:05.000 Say, are all these comedians on drugs?
01:24:08.000 And I'd say, no, only the good ones. 1.00
01:24:10.000 It's fucking George Carlin and Richard Pryor. 0.99
01:24:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:24:15.000 Well, they're the wild, impulsive people.
01:24:19.000 But a lot of them, you know, like Bill Hicks, got off the drugs and was probably even better when he was off the drugs.
01:24:25.000 Yeah.
01:24:25.000 But had a lot of great drug stories.
01:24:27.000 Oh, yeah.
01:24:29.000 You look back and there are great stories...
01:24:32.000 As long as you can look back.
01:24:34.000 Yes.
01:24:34.000 And as long as they're just stories.
01:24:36.000 Yeah, as long as you're not in jail.
01:24:37.000 As long as you get through.
01:24:38.000 And they're funny when you look back, but they're not so funny when you're in the middle of it.
01:24:42.000 Well, the Ding Ho, when you guys were starting out, that was the legendary place. 1.00
01:24:48.000 I had come a little bit too late.
01:24:50.000 There was a bartender there named Henry.
01:24:55.000 And I'd always ask this crazy question. 1.00
01:24:58.000 I'd say, is he an asshole or is he Chinese? 1.00
01:25:01.000 As though it's like, you know, mutually exclusive. 1.00
01:25:04.000 You know, Chinese, you know, you don't know if they're pissed off.
01:25:07.000 It's like, what do you want?
01:25:09.000 Sweeney.
01:25:09.000 Sweeney not here.
01:25:10.000 Sweeney, you know, I'm on the phone.
01:25:12.000 Yeah, I'm Sweeney.
01:25:13.000 Yeah, Sweeney not here.
01:25:14.000 We don't know where Sweeney is.
01:25:15.000 You know, I'm Sweeney.
01:25:16.000 I'm trying to get in there.
01:25:18.000 Yeah, the ding-ho, that was wild.
01:25:21.000 The guy lost the place.
01:25:23.000 In a Domino's game.
01:25:25.000 No!
01:25:25.000 His name was Sean Lee, and he was a compulsive gambler.
01:25:30.000 So was it a Chinese restaurant with a theater?
01:25:33.000 No, it was a restaurant, the Ding Ho restaurant.
01:25:36.000 But there was a stage.
01:25:37.000 There was a stage, but one time it came in, the doors were locked, he lost it.
01:25:43.000 And what you guys would think of as a card game, but apparently...
01:25:47.000 It played dominoes gambling.
01:25:48.000 How did it get started?
01:25:49.000 How did Ding Ho get started?
01:25:51.000 Cremence.
01:25:51.000 Cremence started it.
01:25:52.000 Yeah, Cremence. 0.96
01:25:52.000 So what was going on before then? 0.96
01:25:54.000 There was no comedy club.
01:25:54.000 No comedy.
01:25:56.000 What year was this?
01:25:57.000 Oh, I don't know.
01:25:58.000 I don't remember anything like this.
01:26:00.000 It had to be like the 70s?
01:26:01.000 People say to me, if it was the 90s, I don't remember the day of it.
01:26:04.000 It closed in 84, right?
01:26:06.000 I don't remember.
01:26:07.000 I think it closed in 84 because it was gone.
01:26:10.000 It was a legend when I came around.
01:26:12.000 I came around in 88. And people were like, ah, you missed the Ding Ho. 0.94
01:26:16.000 We all had our own shows there.
01:26:19.000 I was Sunday nights, and I'd do all these crazy characters.
01:26:21.000 I was just trying to...
01:26:23.000 Find out what I want to do.
01:26:25.000 So I was doing characters.
01:26:28.000 But one week, that's when the magic happened, is Peter Lasalli from The Tonight Show came in, and at the time The Tonight Show was The Tonight Show.
01:26:36.000 He saw Stephen Wright, and the next week Stephen Wright was on The Tonight Show.
01:26:40.000 It was amazing.
01:26:42.000 Because there we were, catapulted from Inman Square frickin' Chinese restaurant to...
01:26:50.000 Johnny Carson.
01:26:51.000 It was amazing.
01:26:52.000 It was wonderful.
01:26:53.000 When did the other clubs start opening up?
01:26:56.000 It was after that.
01:26:57.000 When people found out there was some money in it.
01:27:00.000 And then it was in the suburbs.
01:27:02.000 It was all over the place.
01:27:04.000 Do you remember that there was one time where there was Duck Soup, across from Duck Soup, was Nick's Comedy Stop.
01:27:11.000 Down the street from Nick's Comedy Stop was The Connection.
01:27:14.000 And above it was Comedy at the Charles Playhouse.
01:27:16.000 Remember Mike Clark was booking Comedy at the Charles Playhouse for a while?
01:27:19.000 So there was four clubs on the same block in Boston.
01:27:22.000 That's right.
01:27:24.000 And you know what?
01:27:24.000 They were all filled.
01:27:25.000 The same guys were working on all of them.
01:27:27.000 And everybody was shuffling around.
01:27:28.000 Right, yeah.
01:27:29.000 But the shows were filled.
01:27:30.000 It was like, they couldn't get enough.
01:27:32.000 It was great.
01:27:32.000 Do you remember when Nick's was doing three shows in three different rooms?
01:27:35.000 Yeah.
01:27:35.000 They were doing the disco downstairs, they had the smaller middle room, and then they had the upper room.
01:27:39.000 One Saturday night, I did Stitches, which was on Calm App.
01:27:43.000 I did three shows there, I did four.
01:27:45.000 I did about nine shows in one night.
01:27:47.000 Wow.
01:27:48.000 And at the end of the night, I was just, I was saying to the audience, did I already do that joke?
01:27:53.000 Yeah.
01:27:55.000 And I was so tired. 1.00
01:27:57.000 I'd be like setting it up and then, what's the fucking punchline of this shit? 1.00
01:28:07.000 There's a point of diminishing return. 1.00
01:28:09.000 Sometimes you're not even thinking about what you're doing.
01:28:12.000 Right.
01:28:13.000 And they're not laughing.
01:28:15.000 And I say, then you say, well, you realize you're not saying it right.
01:28:20.000 You're not delivering it.
01:28:22.000 And you know, Then you deliver it, and they laugh, and then there's this other voice in your mind saying, wow, that's interesting.
01:28:29.000 If I change my voice, they'll laugh.
01:28:31.000 And it's like me watching me do this.
01:28:34.000 It's crazy.
01:28:35.000 I mean, I can remember, if you want to hear a horrible Coke story, I was down in New York.
01:28:42.000 I was up for a show called Not Necessarily the News.
01:28:45.000 I remember that.
01:28:47.000 So we're backstage at Catch a Rising Star, and that place...
01:28:53.000 You know, when somebody comes out to see you on these shows, they're always late.
01:28:58.000 So I'm downstairs and the guy says, they're not here yet.
01:29:03.000 And I said, all right.
01:29:05.000 He said, do you want to do a line?
01:29:06.000 I said, all right.
01:29:08.000 You know, so I did it. 1.00
01:29:11.000 And now time is going faster because you're fucked up. 0.99
01:29:15.000 And I said, are they here yet? 0.99
01:29:17.000 He said, well, you just asked five minutes ago.
01:29:19.000 No, they're not here.
01:29:20.000 Do you want to do another line?
01:29:21.000 I said, yeah, okay.
01:29:23.000 So by the time I'm on stage, there's no comedy when you're jamming. 0.88
01:29:31.000 It's like the intensity is fucking unbelievable when you're on stage like this.
01:29:36.000 So they were there to see me. 0.99
01:29:40.000 And I go out and I did this and I was like setting up a joke and not doing the punchline and starting shit and ideas and it was fucked up. 0.98
01:29:50.000 It was like Charlie Sheen, you know what I mean? 0.99
01:29:53.000 Right.
01:29:53.000 There's no dots to put together.
01:29:55.000 Right, right, right.
01:29:55.000 It's not supposed to make any sense.
01:29:57.000 I go off and I said to the kid, how was it?
01:30:02.000 He said, how was it?
01:30:03.000 You were supposed to do 25 minutes.
01:30:05.000 You did four minutes.
01:30:07.000 I said, I thought I was out there for like an hour.
01:30:09.000 Right. 0.99
01:30:11.000 It's fucking awful. 0.99
01:30:12.000 Jesus, when I think of those days... 1.00
01:30:14.000 When did you quit?
01:30:15.000 26 years ago.
01:30:16.000 What was the reason?
01:30:17.000 You know, when I talk to kids, they say that sometimes.
01:30:22.000 And the closest thing I can say is something we say in the program.
01:30:27.000 I was sick and tired of being sick and tired.
01:30:29.000 I was always exhausted.
01:30:30.000 Yeah.
01:30:31.000 Yeah.
01:30:31.000 Always tired.
01:30:33.000 Right.
01:30:33.000 Yeah.
01:30:34.000 So...
01:30:35.000 Then I came back to life, you know, and now I enjoy every day.
01:30:40.000 Beautiful.
01:30:40.000 Yeah.
01:30:41.000 And I enjoyed being on this show.
01:30:43.000 Enjoyed having you.
01:30:44.000 Thanks, buddy.
01:30:44.000 Thanks, man.
01:30:45.000 Appreciate you.
01:30:46.000 Thank you.
01:30:46.000 For real.
01:30:46.000 All right.
01:30:47.000 Thank you, sir.
01:30:47.000 I hope we can do it again.
01:30:49.000 We will.
01:30:49.000 And you're going to be at The Improv tomorrow night, 8 p.m.
01:30:51.000 show.
01:30:52.000 You know what?
01:30:53.000 I'll come and watch you. 1.00
01:30:54.000 Come on, motherfucker. 1.00
01:30:55.000 Are you on at eight? 1.00
01:30:57.000 Yes.
01:30:58.000 Well, I close.
01:30:59.000 I'm on last, so I'll go on at like nine.
01:31:02.000 Something like that.
01:31:02.000 Yeah, I'll do five minutes.
01:31:03.000 All right!
01:31:04.000 Beautiful.
01:31:05.000 Steve Sweeney, ladies and gentlemen.
01:31:07.000 Sweeney killing Sweeney.
01:31:09.000 You can get it on iTunes in a couple of days.
01:31:11.000 We pre-ordered.
01:31:13.000 Thank you, sir.
01:31:13.000 All right.
01:31:16.000 Thank you, Joe.
01:31:17.000 Was it good?
01:31:30.000 you