The Joe Rogan Experience - March 12, 2019


Joe Rogan Experience #1262 - Pat McNamara

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In this episode, Pat and CJ are joined by the President of the University of Badassery, Joe Ortiz. Joe is a former Navy SEAL Team Six member who served 20+ years in the elite Special Operations Aviation Corps. He's been in the military for over 20 years and has been through a lot in that time. Joe talks about some of the most difficult surgeries he's ever had to go through and how he managed to get back on his feet. He also talks about how he's managed to stay in shape when he's getting older, and what it takes to stay on top of your game when you're getting into your 40's and 50's. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who wants to get in shape and keep it going into their 50's and beyond. Enjoy and spread the word to your friends and family about this podcast! -The Badass Boys -Pat and CJ Cheers, Cheers! -Jon & Pat - The Badass Buddies - Cheers Jon & CJ - Thank you for listening and supporting the podcast, we really appreciate it. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you re listening. We really appreciate the support we get our content. We re looking out for quality content. -Your feedback is appreciated. Jon and CJ thank you for all the love and support. Pat & CJ are always appreciative of all the support. Love ya. -Jon and Pat Thank you, Jon & CJos -PSA - Pat and CJ Thanks Jon and Cj <3 Jon & Pat & C# - P.A. . - (Thank you so much Jon & P.B. (and the Badassiness & the rest of the crew at The Bad Assery Podcast -P. :D - -JON & C.O. (A.M. ) CHEERS! -JOD & P (P.E. & R. ( ) (AJ) -R. (S. (CJ) and P. (R.S. ) -A. (P) (C. (M. (J) & A.J. (B) & B. (D) -B. (F)

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00:00:00.000 In four, three, two...
00:00:08.000 Boom! 0.99
00:00:08.000 And we're live, Pat. 0.99
00:00:09.000 How are you, sir?
00:00:10.000 Good, Joe.
00:00:11.000 President of the University of Badassery.
00:00:14.000 I'm more like the vice president, man.
00:00:17.000 Oh, who's the president?
00:00:18.000 Probably CJ Ortiz.
00:00:21.000 He's the president of the University of Badassery.
00:00:24.000 My co-host of a little podcast we do. 0.97
00:00:28.000 Dude, I fucking love your Instagram page. 0.96
00:00:30.000 Thank you, sir. 0.99
00:00:30.000 If there's a guy that I'm going to call when the shit hits the fan, it might be you. 0.99
00:00:34.000 Woo! 0.99
00:00:34.000 Rock and roll, baby. 0.99
00:00:35.000 I'm there for you, brother.
00:00:36.000 I also like guys who are my age or older that still get after it in the gym. 0.99
00:00:40.000 And your fucking page is filled with you getting after it. 0.99
00:00:43.000 Bro, we could go on. 1.00
00:00:44.000 We could full segment on that alone.
00:00:47.000 And the secret, the big secret behind it.
00:00:50.000 Which, there's not much of a secret, as you know.
00:00:53.000 Yeah.
00:00:53.000 I mean, hard work sucks and not everybody's cut out for it.
00:00:57.000 Yeah.
00:00:58.000 People just don't enjoy it.
00:01:00.000 Yep.
00:01:00.000 They try to find a lot of nice excuses why they don't get after it.
00:01:05.000 There you are.
00:01:08.000 One of the big excuses is age.
00:01:11.000 I run into guys all the time during my full-time training gig where I'm training guys on the range who say...
00:01:19.000 I'm 38 or 40 or whatever, and I'm getting old.
00:01:22.000 I'm like, bro, let me tell you something.
00:01:24.000 This is something somebody told me when I was 30. And I've got affirmation of this from guys like you who've stayed fit their entire lives.
00:01:36.000 The fittest of a man's age is around like 44 or 45. That's when you could be on the top of your game.
00:01:43.000 Ultra runners and stuff like that.
00:01:46.000 The strongest, the fastest, the fittest, the smartest.
00:01:51.000 When it comes to knowing your body and how much you can do and how much you can take.
00:01:57.000 After that, then you've got to start being a lot smarter.
00:02:01.000 Your diet, how you work out, how often.
00:02:05.000 I'm super tentative now not to overwork.
00:02:08.000 Yeah, me too.
00:02:10.000 Because...
00:02:12.000 I've been told there is no such thing as overwork, but there is a such thing as under-recovery.
00:02:18.000 I err on the side of caution a lot.
00:02:20.000 Yeah, me too.
00:02:21.000 A lot more now.
00:02:22.000 And I've got it down, man.
00:02:23.000 I started this system combat strength training when I retired from the military.
00:02:31.000 Because when I retired from the military, I retired with four reconstructive surgeries, 13 broken bones.
00:02:36.000 And any ground pounder who's, you know, special ops guy, Who did 20 plus years.
00:02:42.000 There's a lot of freaking mileage on that combat chassis.
00:02:46.000 He's jacked up.
00:02:47.000 What'd you get reconstructed?
00:02:50.000 The first one was this bicep.
00:02:53.000 I was a toad jumper.
00:02:55.000 Doesn't have to make sense.
00:02:57.000 What does it mean?
00:03:00.000 It's related to static line jumping, where you pass the static line off to a jumpmaster, he secures it, and the static line, at the end of the static line, deploys your parachute.
00:03:10.000 So it's like, you know, it's like rookie jumping.
00:03:13.000 It's real infantry-based jumping.
00:03:15.000 Well, that static line got wrapped around my reserve and around my arm.
00:03:18.000 And pulled me with the plane.
00:03:20.000 And pulled my bicep into my forearm, broke ribs, dislocated shoulder concussion. 0.98
00:03:24.000 And this was when I was fucking 18 years old. 0.96
00:03:27.000 I just joined. 0.98
00:03:29.000 And I already got jacked up.
00:03:31.000 Next one was...
00:03:34.000 Discectomy, L5-S1. Just kind of an amalgamation of helo crashes and vehicle crashes and stuff like that.
00:03:44.000 If people don't know what that means, it means your discs, they trim a little piece of it so it doesn't go against your nerve.
00:03:50.000 Yeah, and it was a massive herniation, so they were able to take the big chunk out and then do that trim up as well, which is, that's the easiest surgery I ever had.
00:04:00.000 Really?
00:04:01.000 Knee reconstruction sucked. 0.98
00:04:03.000 I mean, that was a full freaking year. 0.98
00:04:05.000 Six months of getting back on your feet.
00:04:09.000 And then another year before, I was like 100%.
00:04:14.000 And I think I was still in my 20s.
00:04:16.000 Did you get ACL reconstruction?
00:04:19.000 Yeah, center patella tendon.
00:04:21.000 Yeah, I did that one.
00:04:22.000 It's hard.
00:04:23.000 That's a hard one.
00:04:24.000 I did the other one with the allograft, with the cadaver.
00:04:27.000 It's way easier.
00:04:28.000 Really?
00:04:29.000 That was six months.
00:04:30.000 Six months and I was 100%.
00:04:31.000 Man, yeah, because I've heard it.
00:04:33.000 Six months difference.
00:04:34.000 Yep. 0.99
00:04:34.000 Damn, that's a big chunk of time. 0.99
00:04:36.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:04:36.000 Six months. 0.99
00:04:37.000 Yeah.
00:04:37.000 But the other thing is that sometimes people's bodies reject those owl grafts.
00:04:42.000 Right.
00:04:42.000 Didn't happen to me.
00:04:43.000 I got lucky.
00:04:44.000 But I do know of some people.
00:04:45.000 And also, it feels like it's healed before it's really healed.
00:04:49.000 Oh.
00:04:50.000 Do you know how that works?
00:04:51.000 What happens is they take that graft and they put it in there, and then instead of that being your new ligament, your body has to replace that with tissue.
00:05:00.000 Right.
00:05:00.000 So your body has to re-proliferate that tendon with its own cells.
00:05:06.000 And so it takes a long time.
00:05:07.000 So it feels stable.
00:05:08.000 You're like, oh, my knee's back, man.
00:05:10.000 My legs feel strong.
00:05:11.000 And then you go to pivot to throw a punch or something like that.
00:05:13.000 And pop!
00:05:14.000 It just pops like a wet piece of toilet paper.
00:05:17.000 Yeah.
00:05:18.000 Yeah.
00:05:19.000 You know, they say some people are ACL-dependent and others are not.
00:05:23.000 But, man, I needed that one done.
00:05:25.000 Because it was a jet.
00:05:25.000 Yeah, I don't understand people not being ACL-dependent.
00:05:28.000 I mean, it's a stabilizing ligament in your knee.
00:05:30.000 And then the last one was shoulder.
00:05:34.000 And they were able to do that non-evasively.
00:05:38.000 You know, scope it.
00:05:39.000 They were able to scope it in like four different places.
00:05:41.000 And they created...
00:05:43.000 Let me see if I get this right.
00:05:45.000 They created a bigger injury to promote more healing.
00:05:51.000 Yeah, so they did like bone scrapes and stuff like that.
00:05:55.000 So they were able to do it without cutting the shoulder open.
00:05:59.000 What was wrong with your shoulder?
00:06:01.000 Bunch of tears.
00:06:02.000 It was a...
00:06:03.000 How did I hurt that one?
00:06:05.000 That was...
00:06:06.000 I got called in one day.
00:06:09.000 I used to drive my dirt bike to work.
00:06:13.000 Like eight miles of real pristine forest.
00:06:20.000 And I T-boned a deer.
00:06:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:06:23.000 The 55. It's like hitting a brick house.
00:06:25.000 I'm sure.
00:06:26.000 You stop.
00:06:27.000 There's no give with that thing.
00:06:31.000 And thankfully, I've been to riding schools, like even the Gary Sinek motocross school, so I was up high, elbows up high, so I flew like Superman.
00:06:42.000 I didn't get all tangled up in a bike.
00:06:44.000 But, I mean, I sailed for 20 yards, 60 feet.
00:06:49.000 Jesus Christ, in the air?
00:06:50.000 Yep.
00:06:51.000 60 feet.
00:06:52.000 That's far, man!
00:06:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:54.000 It came down and hit directly flat and then slid and hit a tree.
00:07:02.000 So I knew the shoulder was jacked up, but that one, I had all kind of neat injuries from that one.
00:07:06.000 Like I had this one thing called a...
00:07:09.000 Adhesion?
00:07:10.000 So...
00:07:10.000 I went...
00:07:13.000 I was able to make it to work.
00:07:15.000 And they checked out my shoulder.
00:07:16.000 They said, yeah, you're jacked up.
00:07:17.000 We'll put you...
00:07:18.000 We'll get you MRI tomorrow.
00:07:19.000 Hummer, hummer.
00:07:20.000 That night I go home.
00:07:22.000 And...
00:07:23.000 I wake up to go take a piss.
00:07:26.000 And I realize I've got this massive...
00:07:30.000 Like bubble on my side, massive.
00:07:32.000 And I thought, man, I might have internal bleeding.
00:07:34.000 This thing was gigantic.
00:07:35.000 It was right on top of my pelvis.
00:07:38.000 So I just set my alarm clock for like every 10 minutes just to see if I was still with it.
00:07:49.000 Nice.
00:07:56.000 Nice.
00:08:04.000 Nice.
00:08:08.000 I've had some weird injuries.
00:08:10.000 But you're pieced back together again.
00:08:12.000 I can tell.
00:08:13.000 You do a lot of crazy working out. 1.00
00:08:15.000 I've seen a lot of shit you do with cinder blocks. 1.00
00:08:17.000 You make do with what's around you. 1.00
00:08:21.000 My work tempo is off the charts.
00:08:26.000 Last year and the year before, I traveled to a different state every week.
00:08:30.000 Most of them were jet-setting. 0.76
00:08:32.000 So lugging all my shit to the airport every week, all my guns and everything. 0.90
00:08:36.000 And this is for tactical training? 0.97
00:08:37.000 Right.
00:08:38.000 So is this for private individuals, military training?
00:08:41.000 All of it.
00:08:43.000 Most of my courses are open enrollment.
00:08:47.000 So I have all walks of life.
00:08:49.000 I mean, the demographic is extremely wide.
00:08:52.000 And so is the skill set disparity of these guys who come.
00:08:56.000 You know, out of 14 guys who sign up, Four of them would be cops, three military, the rest civilians.
00:09:02.000 And in that civilian group, I mean, you got computer programmers, you got surgeons, you got lawyers, you got strip club owners.
00:09:16.000 I mean, the demographic is pretty eclectic.
00:09:19.000 It's pretty wide.
00:09:21.000 And when I go to these places, I used to...
00:09:26.000 Like go to a law fitness or something, you know, like an LA fitness after work.
00:09:30.000 But I got tired of that, you know, just walking through, trying to navigate my way through an endless maze of bench presses, watching guys do concentration curls in the mirror.
00:09:40.000 So I started range workouts where I'll plan it during the day and it became a thing where like fit guys in the class are watching me.
00:09:49.000 I'm going, hey, bro, what's the workout after training?
00:09:53.000 Can we do it with you?
00:09:54.000 On your Instagram?
00:09:55.000 Yeah, but then the guys in the course will say, hey, can I do the workout with you after training?
00:10:01.000 I'm like, yeah.
00:10:01.000 Oh, nice.
00:10:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:02.000 Yep.
00:10:03.000 So you just find whatever's laying around, tire, cinder block.
00:10:07.000 Yep, anything.
00:10:08.000 Wall.
00:10:08.000 You know, if I have a wall, I could do a lot with that.
00:10:11.000 Let's say it's a five, six-foot wall.
00:10:14.000 There's a lot you could do with that, a lot you could do with just a tree.
00:10:18.000 Some cinder blocks, you know.
00:10:20.000 And then every once in a while, guys will bring like a 90-pound sandbag or a couple kettlebells.
00:10:25.000 Because now it's a thing.
00:10:26.000 They expect it.
00:10:28.000 So they're like, all right, we want to do a Pat Mac workout after range day. 1.00
00:10:32.000 And, you know, kudos to those guys because that shit, that's hard. 0.98
00:10:35.000 You know, when you're on the range all day working your ass off, and especially in the blazing hot sun, and guys hang out to do a workout with me, like bad... 0.99
00:10:56.000 Kudos to you bro.
00:10:58.000 Rock and roll.
00:11:17.000 I want to be like that!
00:11:19.000 Like, look at you over here.
00:11:19.000 There's a cinder block.
00:11:20.000 Yeah, I love that.
00:11:21.000 That's in Eagle Lake, Texas, probably three years ago.
00:11:26.000 What's the smoke?
00:11:27.000 Is that exhaust fume or gunshots?
00:11:29.000 No, the owner, I know what that was.
00:11:32.000 He was smoking.
00:11:34.000 It was a smoker.
00:11:36.000 Oh.
00:11:36.000 Yeah, he was making meat.
00:11:37.000 Oh, nice.
00:11:38.000 Yep.
00:11:38.000 Yeah, but those are hard workouts, man.
00:11:42.000 Those swings in between the legs like that.
00:11:44.000 That's how you build the real core strength.
00:11:47.000 If you're back and the whole spinal column, keep it tight and strong.
00:11:54.000 You know, it's funny.
00:11:58.000 Even today I'm reading some comments about whatever it is. 1.00
00:12:05.000 There's a lot of stupid people out there when it comes to not understanding the right way to work out. 0.99
00:12:11.000 And I want to tell these guys, hey man, two things. 1.00
00:12:15.000 One is, if you do what you've always done, you're going to get what you've always gotten. 0.99
00:12:19.000 Number two, I didn't go home last night and smoke a bunch of crack and dream this shit up. 0.99
00:12:22.000 I mean, I've done a lot of freaking research. 0.99
00:12:27.000 There's a lot of time and effort that's gone into this.
00:12:30.000 Yeah.
00:12:32.000 They'll say, hey man, you're going to throw your back out doing that stuff. 1.00
00:12:34.000 No, motherfucker. 1.00
00:12:35.000 That's building your back. 1.00
00:12:38.000 You know, working that transverse plane is what guys neglect a lot.
00:12:43.000 See, here we go. 0.93
00:12:44.000 I'm going to get on this freaking soapbox. 0.98
00:12:45.000 I swear to God. 0.98
00:12:46.000 Go ahead.
00:12:47.000 Go.
00:12:47.000 Get on the box.
00:12:48.000 Do a box jump first.
00:12:50.000 When most guys work out, they live in what I call a sagittalistic environment.
00:12:54.000 You know, three planes of motion.
00:12:56.000 Frontal, sagittal, transverse.
00:12:57.000 So they're in this sagittal world doing bench press and concentration curls.
00:13:04.000 Out of the three planes of motion, I would say that transverse is most important.
00:13:09.000 Additionally, when we work out, I would also argue with confidence that it's the plane of motion that is most neglected, that transverse plane.
00:13:20.000 I like to tell guys that in the transverse plane lives life-saving and ass-kicking.
00:13:26.000 There are four reasons why we should exercise.
00:13:31.000 This is Mac's opinion.
00:13:33.000 One, self-preservation longevity.
00:13:36.000 Good for your health.
00:13:38.000 Stronger, longer.
00:13:39.000 Motion is lotion.
00:13:40.000 Number two, the ability to save your own life.
00:13:43.000 Having that confidence knowing, yep, I could pull myself out of that burning car or over that wall or whatever.
00:13:50.000 Number three, more importantly to me, is being Batman.
00:13:53.000 The ability to save somebody else's life.
00:13:55.000 So there's three reasons. 1.00
00:13:57.000 The last one, kicking somebody's fucking ass. 1.00
00:14:00.000 So, when I look at workout, I look at those four things right there. 1.00
00:14:04.000 Not like cosmetics or anything.
00:14:07.000 Cosmetics is a cool byproduct.
00:14:09.000 If you work out right, you're going to look better.
00:14:11.000 You look better, you feel better, you're more confident, you're more confident, you perform better.
00:14:16.000 Because confidence and performance work hand in hand.
00:14:18.000 So, there's no freaking magic elixir to it.
00:14:25.000 And it's hard.
00:14:27.000 Yeah, people like to see, like if you do bench press, you see your chest puff up, they see those results.
00:14:32.000 I always tell people if there's one exercise I would recommend, like people who do jiu-jitsu, Turkish get-up.
00:14:37.000 Right.
00:14:38.000 I did those last week.
00:14:39.000 It's the least romantic of all workouts. 0.99
00:14:41.000 Nobody wants to do those goddamn things. 0.99
00:14:43.000 Go to a gym. 1.00
00:14:44.000 You can go to a hundred gyms.
00:14:46.000 If you're lucky, you'll find one person doing Turkish get-ups. 1.00
00:14:48.000 Every gym will have someone. 0.97
00:14:50.000 Someone somewhere is doing bench press, and someone's doing curls, and lat pull-down machine, and all that normal shit. 0.96
00:14:56.000 Yeah, working out.
00:14:58.000 It's kind of their...
00:15:02.000 It's like an anachronism.
00:15:03.000 You know, they're working in a world, like a muscle and fitness world, still.
00:15:08.000 And that's fine.
00:15:10.000 Working in isolation...
00:15:12.000 If that's your job, there's three types of people who should work out in concentration, like doing a curl or something, a concentration curl.
00:15:20.000 A professional bodybuilder.
00:15:21.000 That's your J-O-B, man.
00:15:23.000 That's your sport.
00:15:24.000 Number two, you're recovering from surgery and atrophy, so it's physical therapy. 0.99
00:15:28.000 Number three, you got no fucking idea what you're doing. 0.99
00:15:31.000 Or you're a model. 1.00
00:15:32.000 You're trying to look sexy as fuck. 1.00
00:15:33.000 Right, right, right. 1.00
00:15:34.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:15:35.000 Right, right.
00:15:37.000 That's right.
00:15:39.000 So they fall in that same category.
00:15:42.000 Trying to look pretty.
00:15:44.000 What you really need with exercise is something that's going to mimic what you would actually do in real life.
00:15:52.000 Picking up things, moving them around.
00:15:54.000 Farmer walks.
00:15:55.000 Yep.
00:15:56.000 Farmer walk, very unglamorous.
00:15:57.000 Yep.
00:15:57.000 Carry a heavy-ass kettlebell in one hand and just walk around for like a half a mile.
00:16:02.000 Yep. 1.00
00:16:02.000 And your fucking forearm would be dying. 1.00
00:16:05.000 Your legs would be killing you. 1.00
00:16:06.000 Your core is going to be shaking.
00:16:07.000 It's amazing.
00:16:08.000 And I like the way you put it.
00:16:10.000 Carry it on one side.
00:16:11.000 You know, load that one-sided.
00:16:12.000 Yeah, that's what you got to do.
00:16:13.000 People don't know that.
00:16:14.000 They try to do it with two arms, but with two arms, it balances out, and then it's really just a grip and a leg exercise with a little bit of lats and traps.
00:16:21.000 But really what you want to do is one 100-pounder on one hand. 0.99
00:16:26.000 Carry that bitch. 1.00
00:16:28.000 Everything is just kind of balance it out, and then turn around, put it on the left hand. 1.00
00:16:34.000 Love it.
00:16:35.000 Yeah, it's great.
00:16:35.000 We do, at my gym, a lot of that.
00:16:39.000 We load one side at a time.
00:16:42.000 One of the things I love to hear is a guy will say, man, I'd never see you doing the same thing.
00:16:47.000 Yeah.
00:16:48.000 I'm like, well, I pretty much don't.
00:16:50.000 Because I don't want to fall into a rut of complacent adaptation.
00:16:55.000 So even...
00:16:56.000 Guys will say, do you do like Oli lifts?
00:17:00.000 Yeah, of course.
00:17:01.000 Every once in a while.
00:17:02.000 I'll probably do a deadlift, a standard deadlift, once every two months.
00:17:06.000 But I'm doing variations of that, like a shovel deadlift or a suitcase.
00:17:11.000 You know, deadlifts that suck and, like you said, are not glamorous.
00:17:14.000 Yeah.
00:17:15.000 I'll throw those in a bunch.
00:17:18.000 Do you do much cardio?
00:17:21.000 Here's how I knock out cardio.
00:17:24.000 I have a formula.
00:17:29.000 I have a program, Combat Strength Training.
00:17:31.000 I have an e-book and a website and all this.
00:17:34.000 So is your program something that people can sign up for?
00:17:36.000 Oh yeah.
00:17:36.000 They can buy the e-book.
00:17:39.000 What's the website?
00:17:40.000 So Jamie can pull it up?
00:17:42.000 Combatstrengthtraining.com Yep.
00:17:45.000 And the formula is work in anaerobic chunks in circuit to near metabolic threshold to meet an aerobic goal.
00:17:53.000 And then like 30, 35 minutes.
00:17:56.000 So that doesn't include warm-up.
00:17:58.000 So you're good, whatever it is.
00:18:01.000 For me, it's like bag work or something for warm-up just to make sure everything's loosey-goosey.
00:18:05.000 The older you are, the more you have to warm up, man. 0.99
00:18:08.000 Damn, don't jack yourself up. 0.99
00:18:10.000 It's called fitness, not brokenness. 0.99
00:18:15.000 Yeah, that's another thing that people don't like to do because it's not glamorous and because people get lazy.
00:18:20.000 They don't want to do that workout or the pre-workout.
00:18:23.000 They don't want to do all the skipping rope and all the just switching stances and jumping jacks and all that stuff.
00:18:30.000 But you really need to break a sweat, a real sweat, before you actually start lifting weights.
00:18:35.000 And then even if you lift weights or do anything, like say if you're going to do kettlebells, I'll start off with 35 pounds.
00:18:40.000 I'll do everything nice and light at first.
00:18:42.000 I don't start off heavy.
00:18:43.000 Nope.
00:18:45.000 Well, that's also wisdom.
00:18:49.000 Yes. 0.99
00:18:51.000 That's also being fucked up a bunch of times, pulling this and yanking that. 0.99
00:18:55.000 Yeah, chalk that one up to wisdom because you learn that, you know what, it's okay to put my big fat ego aside. 0.98
00:19:03.000 Yeah, I still have an ego, but I'm not going to get jacked up.
00:19:06.000 Because I want to smoke these guys.
00:19:08.000 And in order to do that, I can't be, you know, I can't have tweaks in my neck and my back.
00:19:15.000 There's a bunch of guys who do these, they do these workout competitions called Train to Hunt.
00:19:23.000 And it's mostly for bow hunters where they have all these physical challenges.
00:19:29.000 Like you do a bunch of stuff with sandbags.
00:19:31.000 And the idea is to jack your heart rate up.
00:19:34.000 And then when you have to execute a shot, you've got to be in enough physical condition so you can bring your heart rate down pretty rapidly.
00:19:41.000 And it's all timed and they're competing.
00:19:43.000 I love that stuff.
00:19:44.000 Do you do that kind of stuff with tactical?
00:19:47.000 Yeah, I've got an entire YouTube channel dedicated to that stuff.
00:19:51.000 Ah, nice.
00:19:55.000 Yeah, they're all very, very tough shots, rifle, pistol, and prior to that, I'm pushing a truck, pulling it, climbing a fast rope, running with a sandbag.
00:20:08.000 I call it shot impossible almost, where that heart rate is slamming in your throat, and now you've got to go into respiratory pause and take these 50...
00:20:18.000 50-yard pistol shots.
00:20:20.000 I'm doing pistol at 50 yards and ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:20:25.000 But yeah, I love that stuff.
00:20:27.000 And that's where interval training really comes into play.
00:20:30.000 Learning to control that heart rate, learning how to breathe the right way. 1.00
00:20:35.000 Man, that shit is badass. 0.99
00:20:37.000 I'm a big fan of all that. 1.00
00:20:39.000 Yeah, I am too.
00:20:39.000 I've never done a tactical course.
00:20:41.000 I really want to take some lessons, though.
00:20:43.000 Because I saw Keanu Reeves doing it for John Wick, and I was like, that looks fun.
00:20:47.000 I mean, I've shot my guns at the range before and stuff like that.
00:20:51.000 I've hunted with rifles, but with pistols, I'd like to go through some sort of a tactical course.
00:20:56.000 Man, you'd love my courses.
00:20:59.000 Is this one of your things right here?
00:21:01.000 Oh yeah, that's a lot of rope. 0.80
00:21:07.000 That's 100 feet of fat ass hemp rope with two 70 pound CMBs at the end of it. 0.83
00:21:16.000 And I forget what I do here, but... 0.91
00:21:19.000 Well, there's the...
00:21:20.000 Yeah, I got my steel.
00:21:22.000 The steel at the end.
00:21:22.000 I forget.
00:21:23.000 I think I run up.
00:21:24.000 Oh, yeah, there's three cones.
00:21:26.000 I see them now.
00:21:27.000 So the forearms and everything are just smoked.
00:21:29.000 Jacked, yeah.
00:21:30.000 Yeah, they're...
00:21:31.000 Plus music.
00:21:33.000 That'll get us kicked off YouTube if we...
00:21:35.000 Oh, this was...
00:21:36.000 Yeah, this was Turn and Burn, yeah.
00:21:38.000 Just a simple turn of burden.
00:21:40.000 But that rope crushed my spirits.
00:21:42.000 There's a couple of these YouTube videos.
00:21:45.000 I've got one where I fell in love with the idea.
00:21:51.000 I do this at the gym where I grab a kettlebell and I balance it on end.
00:21:57.000 Upside down.
00:22:00.000 So 55 pound kettlebell, most people can't do that.
00:22:03.000 Just balance a kettlebell.
00:22:05.000 Well, I'll walk on a balance beam with them and stuff like that.
00:22:09.000 That's phenomenal.
00:22:10.000 Yeah, it's good stuff.
00:22:12.000 So I thought, all right, next YouTube video, I'm going to do the 55-pound cab.
00:22:17.000 It'll balance this thing on end, shoot stronghand, and then balance, and then shoot support hand 50-yard, 50-yard.
00:22:25.000 So I got out to the range.
00:22:26.000 On a balance board?
00:22:27.000 Yeah, it's on YouTube.
00:22:29.000 So I got out there, and...
00:22:32.000 I got all my stuff ready.
00:22:34.000 Got my bed in my truck.
00:22:35.000 Got my gun laid out. 0.52
00:22:38.000 I throw that kettlebell up left hand first and pull the pistol up and I'm looking at the target and I am shaking like a dog shitting sand spurs.
00:22:46.000 I'm going, this was a bad idea.
00:22:49.000 Oh my God.
00:22:52.000 And shot it clean. 0.97
00:22:53.000 Shot it clean the first time.
00:22:55.000 And then I have to, because I do this like Wes Stroud type of filming.
00:23:00.000 You know, Wes Stroud, the survival man?
00:23:03.000 Les.
00:23:03.000 Les Stroud.
00:23:04.000 Yeah.
00:23:05.000 So where I go and talk to the camera afterwards.
00:23:09.000 I was so happy when it rang again, when it rang.
00:23:13.000 So I had this massive smile on my face.
00:23:15.000 I dropped the kettlebell.
00:23:16.000 I had to erase it and come over to the camera and go, all right, well, that was a pretty good time.
00:23:20.000 Here's the time.
00:23:23.000 Upside down kettlebells are great for shoulder stability.
00:23:26.000 Yeah.
00:23:26.000 Because it's all like that wiggly...
00:23:28.000 Once again, something that people don't work on in the gym, stabilization.
00:23:33.000 Balance stabilization, proprioception, kinesthetic awareness, because it ain't sexy, and they're not building peaks on biceps and cutting their abs.
00:23:45.000 So we do a lot of rubber band work, holding it isometric, and And watch everything freaking shake.
00:23:54.000 Just shake and shake.
00:23:55.000 Now, when you put together these drills and you put together these programs, do you just sit down and map it all out in your head?
00:24:02.000 Do you think like, okay, how am I going to emulate the kind of stress in a life-or-death gunfight?
00:24:08.000 Your heart rate's jacked.
00:24:10.000 You might have to physically do something.
00:24:12.000 You might have to run from someone or climb over something.
00:24:15.000 Is that how you do it?
00:24:16.000 Yeah, you're talking about like the YouTube stuff where I do the physical thing with the shoot.
00:24:21.000 The first thing I do is I put it on my calendar just so I know that I'm going to make one.
00:24:29.000 And then I'll start thinking about it.
00:24:31.000 What haven't I done?
00:24:32.000 Because I have to think also...
00:24:37.000 I have to think about the audience.
00:24:39.000 The audience that follows me on YouTube, a lot of them are gun guys.
00:24:43.000 So they want to know about the gun that I'm using.
00:24:46.000 So I have to think about that.
00:24:47.000 And then I have to think, all right, what challenge can, because I want guys to replicate it.
00:24:54.000 I want them to put those little notes on the YouTube.
00:24:57.000 Yeah, I did this and my time was a minute and 30 or whatever it was.
00:25:01.000 So I want them to be able to replicate them as well.
00:25:05.000 And want to make them with some real-world application in mind.
00:25:14.000 So front-loading a sandbag or pulling something in and out of a car.
00:25:21.000 Doing that with a bunch of repetitions.
00:25:24.000 When you're doing dead weight in and out of a car, 150 pounds, pulling it in, pushing it out, pulling it back in, pushing it out.
00:25:33.000 That'll smoke every freaking ounce of your being, and it'll crush your spirits.
00:25:37.000 I know. 0.92
00:25:37.000 It's crazy, right? 0.92
00:25:38.000 You'd think of a full-grown woman.
00:25:40.000 You'd be able to pick her up and put her in a car easy.
00:25:43.000 No, hard.
00:25:44.000 Try getting her out. 0.99
00:25:45.000 Right, especially if there's no, you know, you've got to think dead weight.
00:25:48.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:25:48.000 What if this person is incapacitated?
00:25:51.000 They ain't helping you. 0.99
00:25:52.000 Those arms, those limbs are moving everywhere, and it is a pain in the dick. 0.99
00:26:00.000 Yeah, you're way better off with a 150-pound barbell. 0.99
00:26:03.000 Oh, yeah.
00:26:03.000 You carry that way easier.
00:26:05.000 Yeah, whatever.
00:26:06.000 Yeah, it's like, all right.
00:26:07.000 Stabilize that on your shoulder, pull it out.
00:26:09.000 Yeah.
00:26:11.000 But I have to keep those things in mind.
00:26:15.000 The other thing I want to do is I want to make them, I kind of want to make them hard enough so not everybody could do it.
00:26:22.000 Because I want to do something that my industry competitors are not doing.
00:26:27.000 And I've turned this...
00:26:29.000 I've started kind of a fad about 10 years ago where more guys are doing this now.
00:26:38.000 They're putting shoots up on interwebs with some physical activity prior to or during.
00:26:45.000 Which, yeah, good.
00:26:46.000 But I'm pretty sure I... I made it cool.
00:26:54.000 Well, the more people doing it, the better, right?
00:26:56.000 The more competition, the better.
00:26:58.000 It's just such a smart thing to think of if you really want to train the way you train and really want to think about tactical situations and real-world application.
00:27:09.000 It's such a great way to go about doing it, and it looks exciting and fun.
00:27:13.000 I mean, I haven't done it, but I'm sure it's fun.
00:27:16.000 It's good.
00:27:16.000 I talk a lot during my courses.
00:27:18.000 Now, during my courses, I don't do this stuff.
00:27:20.000 You know, because I'll have 60-year-old women in it. 1.00
00:27:24.000 I'll have guys with Parkinson's even, man, come to my course.
00:27:28.000 I have guys in wheelchairs.
00:27:30.000 Yeah.
00:27:30.000 How do you stabilize a guy when they have Parkinson's?
00:27:34.000 That's good.
00:27:35.000 So I showed this guy a trick.
00:27:37.000 What was his name?
00:27:38.000 See if I can remember his name.
00:27:39.000 It doesn't matter.
00:27:40.000 But he was 77 years old, and he said, well, I could either come to your course and train or lay on my couch and die.
00:27:47.000 Yeah.
00:27:48.000 It was to that effect. 0.60
00:27:50.000 Because he likes to shoot. 0.57
00:27:52.000 I said, bro, anytime.
00:27:53.000 But I have to modify the course to him now.
00:27:56.000 Because he can't even land a prone to zero.
00:27:59.000 So I would sit him on a cooler And then I used, you know, furring strips are.
00:28:06.000 They hold up a target.
00:28:07.000 They're just one by twos, you know.
00:28:09.000 Okay.
00:28:10.000 About five foot long.
00:28:11.000 I had him crisscross those and hold them and then to V-notch them and then put his rifle in that V-notch.
00:28:18.000 Oh, okay.
00:28:19.000 Because he could sit up pretty good.
00:28:21.000 He couldn't get in the prone.
00:28:22.000 He can't stand and shoot.
00:28:24.000 But sitting pretty good.
00:28:28.000 And, you know...
00:28:31.000 When guys like that are concentrating more, you see that shake go away, too.
00:28:36.000 Hey, that's something we do at my gym, too.
00:28:37.000 We train Parkinson's.
00:28:39.000 It's how to box Parkinson's patients.
00:28:41.000 Really?
00:28:41.000 It's a national program called Rocksteady Boxing.
00:28:46.000 Huh.
00:28:47.000 They come in three times a week.
00:28:50.000 Where's your gym?
00:28:51.000 North Carolina.
00:28:53.000 What's it called?
00:28:54.000 So people can go there?
00:28:55.000 SparTech.
00:28:56.000 S-P-A-R, like spar, and then T-C. Is it open to regular folks?
00:29:03.000 Yeah, it's open.
00:29:05.000 It's very fight-centric.
00:29:08.000 It's an MMA gym.
00:29:09.000 So everything we do is very fight-centric with the physical work and the lifting and all that.
00:29:19.000 And then we have programs.
00:29:21.000 We've got some really good fighters, man.
00:29:24.000 Dude, coach there.
00:29:25.000 I mean, they're legit fighters.
00:29:29.000 So we got really good fighters who do one-on-one coaching.
00:29:36.000 Everything from Greco to BJJ to Thai Box to Kickboxing to Standard Boxing.
00:29:45.000 It's a neat place.
00:29:46.000 It's small.
00:29:47.000 It's warehouse.
00:29:48.000 It's very Spartan.
00:29:49.000 You know, it's not sexy at all.
00:29:51.000 Perfect.
00:29:52.000 Yeah.
00:29:52.000 It's my favorite kind of gym.
00:29:53.000 Yeah, it's freaking... 0.58
00:29:54.000 It's badass.
00:29:55.000 And so what do you do with these Parkinson's people? 0.88
00:29:56.000 So the Rocksteady Boxing folks, they have a program.
00:30:01.000 They come in a couple times a week, and they put them through a series of exercises.
00:30:07.000 You know, a lot of it's just...
00:30:09.000 Walking a straight line, holding this and, you know, loading one side.
00:30:14.000 And then once they're all warmed up, they all kid up, man.
00:30:19.000 You see these guys wrapping and everything, you know.
00:30:21.000 They're so excited to get there, and they put their wraps on.
00:30:24.000 And then they work a series of bag drills, you know, a one-two lateral move.
00:30:33.000 The next bag is...
00:30:37.000 We're good to go.
00:30:42.000 We're good to go.
00:30:59.000 And I pinged you like a year ago.
00:31:01.000 It was on a podcast.
00:31:03.000 And you were getting pretty emotional about somebody not wanting to work out.
00:31:09.000 And I pinged you and I said...
00:31:12.000 I think I mentioned that. 0.98
00:31:13.000 We got fucking Parkinson's people coming to my gym, you know? 0.99
00:31:17.000 Well, it's just when people make those excuses, it just drives me crazy. 0.99
00:31:21.000 Because I've seen examples.
00:31:22.000 I've been very fortunate that I have good health, but I've seen many examples.
00:31:26.000 And I've also been very fortunate that I never got out of shape.
00:31:29.000 I just kept working out my whole life. 0.99
00:31:31.000 But I've seen people that are fat as fuck, 350 pounds, just barely can get around, and then they decide, I'm going to take control of my fucking health, and then they just do it. 1.00
00:31:41.000 They just do it. 0.99
00:31:42.000 And even if you just got to walk around the block, even if you walk up flights of stairs, even if you just do a push-up, even if you do a sit-up, just do something, man.
00:31:51.000 Do some bodyweight squats.
00:31:52.000 Do something.
00:31:53.000 It can be done.
00:31:54.000 Yep.
00:31:55.000 You know, the journey of a thousand miles starts with that single step, and I have guys.
00:32:02.000 In my community, who will say, yeah, man, I follow your stuff.
00:32:05.000 I'm so out of shape, and I don't have the time to snatch, which is another excuse.
00:32:09.000 There's no such thing as I don't have the time.
00:32:11.000 Get up an hour early, and now you have all the time in the world.
00:32:13.000 You get an hour of workout. 1.00
00:32:14.000 I'll fuck you up in an hour. 1.00
00:32:16.000 You come work out with me for one hour, I will have you crying by the end of an hour. 1.00
00:32:21.000 That's plenty of time.
00:32:23.000 From warm-up to cool-down, one hour, done.
00:32:26.000 That's 100%.
00:32:27.000 Yeah, if you're...
00:32:29.000 Oh, man.
00:32:31.000 You don't need more than that.
00:32:34.000 Keith Weber, he has this Extreme Kettlebell Cardio DVD. It's available as a digital download, though.
00:32:41.000 I can't even do 40 minutes of this motherfucker's workout with a 145-pound kettlebell. 0.98
00:32:47.000 40 minutes in, my legs are shaking, my arms are shaking, I'm walking like I'm... 1.00
00:32:53.000 Blew both my fucking ankles out for the next couple of days. 0.99
00:32:56.000 It's ruthless. 1.00
00:32:58.000 You can get a lot done in 40 minutes.
00:33:01.000 There he is.
00:33:02.000 He's a savage, that dude.
00:33:03.000 Yeah, that guy's not shredded at all. 1.00
00:33:06.000 He does some crazy shit, too. 0.99
00:33:08.000 He brings a kettlebell. 1.00
00:33:10.000 It's all on the beach. 0.98
00:33:11.000 He just brings a pair of kettlebells on the beach and just fucking gets after it, and you just follow along with him. 0.98
00:33:17.000 Nice. 0.76
00:33:18.000 It's a great workout, too, because you're doing what he's doing, so you know it's possible.
00:33:22.000 Mm-hmm.
00:33:22.000 He's doing it right in front of your face.
00:33:24.000 Right, right, yeah.
00:33:26.000 You know, when it comes to...
00:33:28.000 I'll tell guys, come to my gym once.
00:33:32.000 Just once.
00:33:33.000 Because all I need to do is bait the hook.
00:33:35.000 Yeah.
00:33:36.000 Get you feeling good.
00:33:37.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:33:38.000 And they say, well, I'm afraid you're going to smoke.
00:33:40.000 I said, nope.
00:33:41.000 Because I run, whether it's shooting or the physical stuff, I run, I call it performance-based training.
00:33:48.000 You know, I got this...
00:33:50.000 It recognizes that we all perform differently.
00:33:52.000 Performance is measured by doing what we can with what we have, blah, blah, blah.
00:33:56.000 So it gives them permission to work within their capability level, not mine.
00:34:02.000 So you don't need to replicate what I'm doing, bro.
00:34:04.000 We're going to do these same movements, but I'm going to scale this to you, to your needs.
00:34:10.000 And the other thing is, I don't want you to be incapacitated.
00:34:15.000 I don't want you to work out so hard that you're not able to move for the next three days. 0.99
00:34:20.000 I have another rule is that you could work out as hard as you want in the gym, but when you walk out that door that says exit, you've got to be ready to kick somebody's ass. 0.97
00:34:30.000 I mean, I don't like to work out to the point of being incapacitated. 0.99
00:34:33.000 Right, right.
00:34:34.000 So there's a balancing act there, and I've figured it out. 0.97
00:34:37.000 I've fucked that up many times. 0.90
00:34:39.000 Many, yeah. 0.97
00:34:40.000 And I think that's why I figured it out, because too many times, I am, for a whole weekend, going, oh my god.
00:34:48.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:34:49.000 My freaking ass, my thighs, my... 1.00
00:34:51.000 What do you do for recovery? 1.00
00:34:52.000 Do you fuck around with cryotherapy or saunas or anything like that? 1.00
00:34:55.000 I do nothing. 1.00
00:34:56.000 Do nothing?
00:34:57.000 Really?
00:34:57.000 No.
00:34:57.000 Nope.
00:34:58.000 Nothing.
00:34:59.000 How come?
00:35:01.000 I don't know.
00:35:03.000 Because I haven't really needed it.
00:35:05.000 Yeah.
00:35:07.000 You should just get a sauna.
00:35:08.000 Get a sauna in your gym.
00:35:10.000 Yep.
00:35:10.000 Just that alone.
00:35:11.000 Get a sauna and a fucking ice bath. 1.00
00:35:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:35:14.000 I drink beer for recovery. 1.00
00:35:17.000 Yeah.
00:35:18.000 That's a nightly ritual.
00:35:21.000 I will not be able to function if I don't get a go.
00:35:24.000 How many beers?
00:35:25.000 Usually around four, but they're good quality pints.
00:35:29.000 I'm not chug-a-lugging NASCAR soda by the case.
00:35:35.000 Barley pops, but good quality IPA stouts, porters, that kind of thing.
00:35:42.000 You just live for it?
00:35:43.000 Yeah, I love it.
00:35:44.000 I'm a hobbyist, man.
00:35:45.000 I'm a hobbyist.
00:35:46.000 That or bourbon.
00:35:50.000 That doesn't seem to go hand in hand in a lot of people's eyes.
00:35:53.000 I know.
00:35:54.000 People are like, are you freaking kidding me?
00:35:55.000 It's like, hey man, I have a policy.
00:35:58.000 My wife and I have a policy.
00:36:00.000 Every night is Saturday night, but every morning is Monday morning.
00:36:03.000 Wow.
00:36:04.000 I like it.
00:36:05.000 So we go out almost every night.
00:36:08.000 We go out.
00:36:09.000 Because if I'm at home, I'm going to work.
00:36:13.000 I'm going to work until I fall asleep.
00:36:15.000 So, you know, that clock hits six, seven at night.
00:36:18.000 I'm like, all right, let me go meet my wife.
00:36:21.000 She's getting off of work.
00:36:22.000 We're going to go have a couple pints, have a big old bourbon or something like that.
00:36:27.000 And, uh, yep, I smoke cigars, um, dip, uh, But the thing is, it's all about diet. 0.75
00:36:39.000 I mean, my diet's ridiculous.
00:36:41.000 What do you eat? 0.94
00:36:43.000 Predominantly, when I meal prep, it's collard greens, spinach, bell pepper, and chicken.
00:36:49.000 That's it.
00:36:50.000 And then spice it up with, you know, salt, pepper, and garlic.
00:36:54.000 So do you prep for the week?
00:36:54.000 Do you make like a bunch of...
00:36:55.000 Yeah, but it doesn't...
00:36:56.000 I don't have a pot big enough to prep for the week, so I prep for like two, three days at a whack and just chow down.
00:37:04.000 And that's the other thing, diet, man.
00:37:06.000 You know, there's this...
00:37:08.000 Dude, what's the secret in diet?
00:37:10.000 Eat food.
00:37:13.000 Food doesn't come in a bag or a box.
00:37:15.000 That's a product.
00:37:16.000 Shop at the periphery of a grocery store.
00:37:18.000 If you go into the guts, all you're going in there is for coffee, olive oil, salt, and that's it.
00:37:25.000 That's a good way of looking at it.
00:37:27.000 Stay on the outside.
00:37:29.000 That's where the meat and vegetables are.
00:37:31.000 Beware of the inside.
00:37:32.000 Just beware.
00:37:33.000 If you're going in there, go with a purpose.
00:37:35.000 Don't get sucked into that cereal aisle. 1.00
00:37:39.000 You're like, damn, Cocoa Puffs. 1.00
00:37:41.000 I haven't had Cocoa Puffs in so long. 1.00
00:37:43.000 And then the older you get, the less your body can't process that crap. 0.98
00:37:48.000 So diet for me, get up in the morning. 0.98
00:37:51.000 It's habitual, full quarter water since I wake up.
00:37:54.000 Full quarter water.
00:37:55.000 First thing.
00:37:56.000 Power slam. 0.89
00:37:57.000 Just don't even set it down.
00:38:00.000 Why is that?
00:38:01.000 What's the thought process behind that?
00:38:02.000 I'm getting that down.
00:38:03.000 I'm getting it in me.
00:38:04.000 No wasting time.
00:38:06.000 It's there for a reason.
00:38:09.000 Because you wake up dehydrated, I just want to power slam that down.
00:38:13.000 And get it all into me.
00:38:16.000 And then, you know, I eat a clean breakfast, like a couple of boiled eggs and some bacon.
00:38:22.000 And then throughout the day, people say, well, is there a certain amount?
00:38:27.000 Because too many people follow too many diets, which is good for them.
00:38:30.000 If you're following a diet, kudos.
00:38:33.000 But like meal times and how many times a day.
00:38:36.000 I eat when I'm hungry and I don't eat until I'm full.
00:38:39.000 It's pretty freaking simple.
00:38:42.000 You don't eat till you're full, so you back off?
00:38:44.000 Right.
00:38:45.000 What do you hit, like 70%, 80%?
00:38:47.000 Yeah, about that.
00:38:47.000 About that.
00:38:50.000 And then a portion of that is thinking, well, what if I got to sprint 400 yards? 1.00
00:38:57.000 Or what if I got to kick somebody's ass? 1.00
00:38:59.000 Right now. 1.00
00:38:59.000 Right now. 1.00
00:39:00.000 And if I'm 100%, It's going to be shooting out of both ends.
00:39:08.000 So diet is freaking huge, man, huge.
00:39:13.000 But it allows me to drink those beers at night.
00:39:16.000 It allows me to do stuff like that and then make sure I'm hitting it every day, the gym.
00:39:22.000 Seven days?
00:39:24.000 I usually don't have time for seven days.
00:39:29.000 And even if I did, I probably wouldn't.
00:39:32.000 I'd probably take at least one day off, maybe two.
00:39:37.000 But you know, as well as I do, that you are more in tuned when you get older to what your body's telling your brain. 0.99
00:39:45.000 Your body, when you get older, says, you know what, back the fuck off today. 1.00
00:39:49.000 You don't need to do this shit. 1.00
00:39:50.000 And I listen to that, man. 1.00
00:39:51.000 I do listen to that, too.
00:39:53.000 That's so important to listen to that.
00:39:54.000 There's those days where I'm like, man, I just feel a little off today. 0.99
00:39:57.000 I'm like, am I being a pussy? 0.99
00:39:58.000 Like, I don't think so. 1.00
00:39:59.000 Yeah, right.
00:40:00.000 I think I'm feeling off, and then all of a sudden I'll start, my nose will start running, I'll start coughing a little bit.
00:40:04.000 Ooh, right, yeah, yeah.
00:40:05.000 People around me are sick.
00:40:05.000 I'm like, ah, lucky I listened.
00:40:07.000 Yep.
00:40:07.000 And then that cold will be gone in a day or two.
00:40:09.000 Yep.
00:40:10.000 Versus if I just go run the hills.
00:40:12.000 Right.
00:40:12.000 Yeah, I'm going to go sweat it out.
00:40:14.000 That shit is not real. 1.00
00:40:16.000 No. 1.00
00:40:16.000 People say sweat it out. 1.00
00:40:18.000 Unless you're getting in a steam room or a sauna, you ain't sweating out shit. 0.97
00:40:22.000 You're twisting your body up, and you're probably going to make your immune system even weaker. 0.98
00:40:27.000 Yep.
00:40:27.000 When you were talking about those Parkinson's folks, when they come into your gym and they do that, do they experience any benefit in terms of their function?
00:40:36.000 Does it help them?
00:40:37.000 Absolutely.
00:40:41.000 And some more than others.
00:40:42.000 I think it depends on what stage they're in, how long they've been there.
00:40:48.000 But absolutely, we've got one guy...
00:40:51.000 Who used to be a bow hunter and he can't anymore.
00:40:54.000 So we got him replicating that motion with rubber bands and he could barely do a small one initially.
00:41:03.000 He gave it up because he thought, you know what?
00:41:08.000 It's not working for me.
00:41:09.000 So he kind of gave up.
00:41:10.000 But once we started working the rubber bands, he started seeing results.
00:41:14.000 This is a 70-year-old man with Parkinson's. 0.99
00:41:16.000 He's like, holy crap, man. 0.94
00:41:18.000 I'm going to be able to draw my bow again because I'm doing these exercises. 0.93
00:41:23.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:41:24.000 With a lot of guys, especially with their balance.
00:41:29.000 Lateral movement.
00:41:30.000 That's one that I see a lot, you know, with the lateral movement.
00:41:33.000 They're making big improvements with lateral movement.
00:41:36.000 Yeah.
00:41:37.000 What helps?
00:41:37.000 Does weight training help them?
00:41:39.000 I think it's...
00:41:44.000 Just getting that body moving, you know, and then with the boxing, it's that hand and eye coordination, too.
00:41:51.000 You know, being visually acute, you know, to the spot that you're supposed to hit on that bag, you know, every time.
00:41:57.000 So, it's a combination of the...
00:42:00.000 Because the weights are very, very minimal, you know.
00:42:03.000 We don't want these guys to get jacked up.
00:42:05.000 And the gal who runs it, Laura, is pretty... 1.00
00:42:10.000 She's pretty cognizant of that, you know, about not wanting them to get jacked up.
00:42:15.000 So their loads are very light when they do any kind of weight training.
00:42:19.000 But I'd always wondered, because it is a neurological disorder.
00:42:23.000 Yep.
00:42:25.000 You know what? 1.00
00:42:25.000 They benefit from it because they're getting out of the fucking house, out of the hospital. 1.00
00:42:30.000 They're getting to a gym. 0.99
00:42:31.000 They're wrapping up.
00:42:32.000 They're motivated.
00:42:33.000 They're fired up to be there.
00:42:38.000 It's obvious that they have Parkinson's.
00:42:41.000 They're not running around the ring like Roy Jones.
00:42:46.000 But they're fired up to be there, and it's giving them...
00:42:51.000 Purpose.
00:42:52.000 People need purpose.
00:42:54.000 Speaking of that, when you retired from the military, did you envision yourself doing something along these lines?
00:43:02.000 Like teaching tactical stuff?
00:43:04.000 Oh man, I went through some rough patches.
00:43:07.000 As most guys do, right?
00:43:08.000 Yeah, man.
00:43:09.000 Man, it was...
00:43:12.000 No, I morphed into who I am only in like the past six or seven years.
00:43:17.000 I retired in 05. I got hired before I even retired by a corporation to do training stuff.
00:43:25.000 And I kind of fell, I was almost falling into that rut of accepting mediocrity.
00:43:35.000 Plus, what I didn't know I had depression.
00:43:40.000 I didn't know that.
00:43:42.000 Which is common, especially in the spec ops world, guys retire.
00:43:50.000 Because you've been there in units with the same guys for a long, long time.
00:43:58.000 And you've...
00:44:00.000 There's a level of intimacy there that can't be replicated with another human being.
00:44:04.000 And then when you retire, you miss that camaraderie, that connection.
00:44:12.000 So I had, working for a corporation...
00:44:16.000 I had a really bad relationship.
00:44:19.000 I was living in the bonus room of my garage.
00:44:21.000 I'd lived there for five years.
00:44:23.000 Because I had an ex who was on chemistry.
00:44:27.000 You know, prescription meds.
00:44:28.000 Go Big Pharma.
00:44:31.000 And so the neuroreceptors were freaking gone.
00:44:34.000 I mean, delusional.
00:44:35.000 And it was real bad.
00:44:39.000 And then I started boozing with depression. 1.00
00:44:45.000 It didn't even occur to me that, dude, you got a fucking problem, man. 0.99
00:44:48.000 It didn't even occur. 0.99
00:44:49.000 I guess which is common with a lot of guys.
00:44:52.000 But I had an epiphany.
00:44:53.000 A lot of things happened at one time.
00:44:55.000 My local cops saved my life. 0.96
00:44:57.000 They said, bro, you need to get the fuck out of there.
00:45:00.000 And a bunch of things happened all at once. 0.98
00:45:04.000 This was in 2013. I didn't want to leave because I had little kids.
00:45:11.000 So I didn't want to leave.
00:45:12.000 I was going to stay there and just wither away.
00:45:18.000 And I almost capitulated to darkness.
00:45:22.000 But I got up with...
00:45:24.000 Before I went to sleep one night, my kid is sleeping with me and I'm hammered.
00:45:29.000 And it's like 8 at night.
00:45:31.000 And I had an epiphany.
00:45:35.000 I said, you know what?
00:45:35.000 I can't.
00:45:36.000 I can't do this.
00:45:36.000 And I will not.
00:45:39.000 I remember saying this to myself.
00:45:41.000 I will not be defeated.
00:45:42.000 I will not be defeated.
00:45:44.000 And I put my running shoes by the side of my bed and some shorts.
00:45:48.000 Set my alarm clock, got up early next morning, and went for a run, a la Forrest Gump.
00:45:56.000 And I pounded the pavement for about 10 or 12 miles.
00:45:59.000 And I'm not a runner, you know?
00:46:01.000 I like to run.
00:46:01.000 I like to sprint.
00:46:03.000 And when I came back from the run, worked out in my driveway for about an hour, and my local cops came.
00:46:11.000 It all happened at the same time. 0.99
00:46:13.000 And they came and said, hey, bro, get the fuck out. 0.98
00:46:16.000 The kids will be all right. 0.99
00:46:17.000 You need to do this and that.
00:46:19.000 And then I started kind of figuring out...
00:46:29.000 I'm re-evaluating my path in life.
00:46:32.000 Oh, back up a step.
00:46:33.000 I also got laid off from this corporation.
00:46:36.000 And, you know, with a guy in the military, you don't ever think about job security.
00:46:40.000 And when I retired, I'm working for a corporation that was mostly made up of retired military guys. 0.89
00:46:46.000 So you get laid off and you're like, what the fuck am I going to do now?
00:46:48.000 What does that even mean, getting laid off? 0.94
00:46:51.000 What am I going to do? 0.99
00:46:53.000 So all that shit happened at the same time. 0.99
00:46:56.000 It was like this massive spiral of bad events. 0.99
00:47:01.000 And man, I was able to rekindle my own fire.
00:47:13.000 Because I recognize, alright bro, you still got an ember.
00:47:15.000 You still got this.
00:47:16.000 All you need to do is just nurture that ember and turn it into a flame.
00:47:20.000 Turn that into a flame and then just start adding wood.
00:47:23.000 Adding wood, adding wood until it becomes just a perpetual blaze.
00:47:30.000 Which led me to this thing that I tell people now, you know, is that you got to keep the blaze alive.
00:47:37.000 I've got that on t-shirts even.
00:47:39.000 Because I like... 1.00
00:47:41.000 I like to kick people in the ass who are willing to sustain their own fire once they get that ass kicking. 1.00
00:47:50.000 If they can't keep their fire going, then it's not worth it for me to keep kicking them in the ass. 1.00
00:48:04.000 Ever since that... 0.99
00:48:08.000 At that point in time, you know, getting laid off, the depression, the booze, and I was able to rediscover me and rebrand and pretty much start from scratch.
00:48:23.000 I mean, I had to start life all over again when I was 48 years old.
00:48:27.000 Wow.
00:48:28.000 Yep, the whole thing from scratch.
00:48:30.000 And I discovered like social media and all this stuff because I met a gal and...
00:48:35.000 I'm married to her now and she's probably the best person, one of the best human beings I've ever met, you know, all around human being.
00:48:44.000 So she was able to help me with that and said, hey, you need to do this.
00:48:47.000 You need to get this social media platform or that one.
00:48:51.000 So it's detonated pretty well considering I've been on it a short amount of time.
00:48:58.000 But apparently the message is resonating.
00:49:01.000 Yeah.
00:49:03.000 Well, it's a genuine message.
00:49:05.000 That's why I picked up on it.
00:49:07.000 Oh, right on. 1.00
00:49:07.000 But I love that you figured your shit out. 1.00
00:49:10.000 I love that. 0.99
00:49:11.000 That's my favorite thing.
00:49:12.000 I mean, look, everybody's prone to mistakes and prone to depression and people are prone to hitting rock bottom.
00:49:19.000 Yep.
00:49:20.000 Your life can go down a series of bad roads, and you find yourself in a bad relationship or a bad job, a bad situation in life, and it's very, very difficult at that moment to have faith and confidence that you can readjust, reconsider, and reengage.
00:49:36.000 And that's what you did.
00:49:38.000 That's awesome.
00:49:39.000 I love that.
00:49:40.000 I love those kind of stories. 0.88
00:49:41.000 I love when people get their shit together. 0.92
00:49:43.000 And I think that... 0.86
00:49:47.000 That helps me help other people.
00:49:49.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:49:50.000 Because I could relate.
00:49:52.000 And I don't sit down with them and pat them on the shoulder and say, hey, bro, I was there, too, or anything like that.
00:49:59.000 I don't even share with them.
00:50:01.000 But I empathize.
00:50:02.000 And sometimes that's all it takes.
00:50:04.000 You empathize, and you just give them just a little bit of the right advice.
00:50:13.000 Just a little bit.
00:50:14.000 You know, not too much.
00:50:15.000 Well, oftentimes people just need momentum.
00:50:17.000 They need one good day.
00:50:19.000 You need one good day.
00:50:20.000 That's why I said to that one guy, just come to the gym one day.
00:50:22.000 Yeah.
00:50:23.000 If you have one good day where you eat clean, you drink a lot of water, like you did.
00:50:27.000 You got that day, you woke up, you put your shoes on, you went for a run, you worked out your driveway, you got a good day in.
00:50:32.000 Yep.
00:50:33.000 That's sometimes all you need to do and decide, this is what I do from now on.
00:50:36.000 I have good days.
00:50:37.000 Yeah.
00:50:37.000 Tomorrow's gonna be another good day, and then I'm gonna force myself into another good day, and the next thing you know, I've got some momentum.
00:50:42.000 You got some momentum, you could change everything.
00:50:45.000 I've felt, many times in my life, I've felt like I could slip the wrong way, and I just, I see it. 0.99
00:50:51.000 I see the dark hole, and I go, fuck that, and just go the other way. 0.98
00:50:55.000 The problem is, when people fall into that dark hole, they think that that defines them, but it doesn't. 1.00
00:51:01.000 It doesn't define you.
00:51:02.000 It's just you right now.
00:51:03.000 You could be totally different tomorrow.
00:51:06.000 You're a human being.
00:51:07.000 You can think.
00:51:07.000 You can adjust.
00:51:08.000 And there's so much inspiration.
00:51:10.000 It's one of the beautiful things about your Instagram page and many, many other Instagram pages. 0.86
00:51:15.000 Is that you can take, if you curate your feed correctly and you don't follow a bunch of knuckleheads, you can go to your Instagram or to whatever social media platform you like and you can go and check out a lot of cool shit. 0.95
00:51:28.000 Oh man, you're right. 0.97
00:51:29.000 And you feel good about it.
00:51:30.000 You get fired up and you want to do good with your life.
00:51:33.000 Yep.
00:51:33.000 I love being inspired by other guys that I follow on social media.
00:51:42.000 I'm a motivator, but I like to be motivated, too.
00:51:44.000 Yeah, me too.
00:51:45.000 So, I love...
00:51:46.000 I've met a lot of really cool people on those platforms, you know?
00:51:53.000 Sitting across from you, for example.
00:51:56.000 And it's not a...
00:51:57.000 Because too many guys, especially like my age, are afraid of it.
00:52:00.000 You know, they're afraid of those platforms.
00:52:02.000 They're saying, hey, bro, you don't have to...
00:52:06.000 Go crazy on it, but you should at least check this out and check that out.
00:52:11.000 You don't have to follow thousands of things. 0.96
00:52:13.000 Well, people see emojis and sponsored posts and like, what the fuck is going on? 0.67
00:52:18.000 What am I doing here? 0.57
00:52:19.000 I'm 50 years old. 1.00
00:52:20.000 The fuck is this? 0.99
00:52:22.000 But you're right, too. 1.00
00:52:24.000 We are human beings and we are allowed to err.
00:52:28.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:52:28.000 And as a matter of fact, in most cases, it is a biological requirement for us to jack shit up. 0.99
00:52:36.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.78
00:52:36.000 But when we do, all we need to make sure is that it doesn't become a recurring theme, that we learn from the past, prepare for the future, perform, and live in the present. 0.78
00:52:46.000 Yeah.
00:52:47.000 Because, man, we've been blessed with a very, very short...
00:52:51.000 Existence on this planet that amazes me that can nurture and sustain freaking life in a solar system that can do the same.
00:53:06.000 I like to feel insignificant and small, like looking up at the stars through a telescope. 0.97
00:53:11.000 It's like, damn, man, I'm freaking nothing. 0.97
00:53:14.000 I am nothing. 0.99
00:53:15.000 I can see the Andromeda galaxy through my telescope.
00:53:19.000 And that's the closest one that we can see.
00:53:22.000 And there's billions of stars in that galaxy.
00:53:24.000 And guess what?
00:53:25.000 There are billions...
00:53:27.000 Of galaxies just like that.
00:53:30.000 I mean, I am so freaking significant.
00:53:32.000 So let me make the best of this time that I have on this planet with these other several billion people.
00:53:44.000 Because, I mean...
00:53:48.000 Just the fact that I am a human being, you know, that are strands of DNA wrapped in protein thrown in with some amino acids, it's mind-blowing that I'm, you know...
00:54:02.000 You're a thing.
00:54:03.000 Yeah, that I'm a thing.
00:54:05.000 Yeah, no, I feel the same way all the time. 0.81
00:54:08.000 It's so easy to get wrapped up in your own day-to-day existence and weird little dumb things. 0.82
00:54:14.000 And if there's only little dumb things in your life too, those dumb things become huge. 0.98
00:54:19.000 When you have big things in your life, it's easy to look at those dumb things and brush them off. 0.72
00:54:23.000 When you're really working hard at something and you have a lot of positive things going on in your life, then it's easier.
00:54:31.000 It's one of the good things about Really hard exercises.
00:54:35.000 It's very difficult to do. 0.91
00:54:36.000 So when you go to a very difficult, real, or real difficult physical struggle, all the little bullshit seems like nothing. 0.97
00:54:44.000 It gets exposed for what it really is. 0.90
00:54:48.000 It seems like a big deal in the moment, in the time.
00:54:51.000 But that's just a trap.
00:54:52.000 Because your body needs something to think about.
00:54:54.000 Your body's always worrying.
00:54:56.000 Your brain is always focusing on danger.
00:54:59.000 You worry about threats and predators. 1.00
00:55:01.000 And if there's no predators, then it's fucking microaggressions. 0.98
00:55:04.000 Then it's this guy looked at me funny at the office. 1.00
00:55:07.000 It's like this bitch is always parking in the spot I want. 1.00
00:55:11.000 People get weird. 1.00
00:55:12.000 You start focusing on nonsense.
00:55:14.000 On the minutiae.
00:55:16.000 I think that's one of the primary benefits of physical exercise.
00:55:20.000 It's not just that it blows out all that excess energy that I think your body stores up.
00:55:25.000 The way I always describe it is that a person's body is almost like a battery that's leaking energy.
00:55:29.000 You've got to purge it.
00:55:30.000 You've got to purge it of that excess energy because it has certain physical requirements.
00:55:34.000 I think?
00:55:55.000 Then look up.
00:55:56.000 Then look up at the whole stars and go, man, you're just lucky to be experiencing this.
00:56:01.000 To be able to think about this.
00:56:03.000 To be this person that's living in the most amazing time ever for human beings.
00:56:08.000 To be spinning around on this ball, flying through infinity.
00:56:12.000 It's nothing but gravy.
00:56:13.000 It provides you with great...
00:56:19.000 Centering balance, you know?
00:56:21.000 Perspective.
00:56:22.000 Yeah.
00:56:22.000 And, man, what else?
00:56:24.000 You said something that, you know, we talked about that.
00:56:28.000 People focusing on the minutiae.
00:56:30.000 Oh, another thing.
00:56:31.000 Yeah.
00:56:36.000 You were saying how...
00:56:37.000 It's a sticking point with me.
00:56:42.000 Human beings, our primal thought, we worry about dangers and stuff like that.
00:56:48.000 But man, it's amazing how many people nowadays have relinquished their primal defense mechanisms of awareness and mobility.
00:57:02.000 All that.
00:57:03.000 They've just given up the primal stuff. 1.00
00:57:07.000 They're fat, dumb, lazy, happy button pushers, flaccid and complacent, and just walking around in 45-degree syndrome. 0.99
00:57:16.000 I'm on that bus today to go to the rental car place from LAX, and everybody's on the phone, which there's times you could be in the white, but I look around and I go, well, looks like I'm on security right now. 1.00
00:57:30.000 Because nobody else is going to see this or that happen.
00:57:34.000 Yeah, there's a ton of people that are just staring at their phone all day long and not paying attention to their surroundings at all.
00:57:39.000 It's not that you need to all the time.
00:57:41.000 Most of the time you don't.
00:57:43.000 But the time when you do, boy, that could change your life or the life of your loved ones.
00:57:48.000 Yep.
00:57:49.000 And walking around the streets is not the time to do it.
00:57:54.000 There's a time to be in the white space.
00:57:57.000 You know what I'm talking about with the white, like Cooper's color code, white to black, white is like zombie mode, and that's...
00:58:05.000 Me in my house in my ranger panties watching TV or whatever.
00:58:10.000 That's the time when you're allowed to be in the white where black is, you know, you're fighting for your life. 0.89
00:58:17.000 It's horrible, horrific, terrifying.
00:58:20.000 But, you know, in the streets, you gotta be at least in the yellow.
00:58:25.000 You know, just have your wits about you a little bit. 0.98
00:58:28.000 So, let me take you back to when you decided to get your shit together again. 1.00
00:58:32.000 So, you decided to get your shit together again. 0.99
00:58:35.000 You begin the process, and then how did you get to where you're at now? 0.99
00:58:39.000 Well, getting laid off was scary as hell, but sometimes, you know, when you're in crisis mode like that, you think most efficiently.
00:58:49.000 There's a series of things that happen.
00:58:52.000 One is, you know, you get scared to death.
00:58:55.000 Right?
00:58:55.000 Laid off.
00:58:56.000 I think that was the first one.
00:58:57.000 Scared and then angry.
00:58:59.000 And this is over a couple days.
00:59:02.000 And then focus.
00:59:04.000 When I got focused, I built my company, T-Max.
00:59:09.000 I mean, I just thought of everything.
00:59:10.000 I just had one epiphany after this.
00:59:12.000 What am I going to call it?
00:59:13.000 Let me just make up an acronym that sounds cool.
00:59:16.000 And it covered all the bases.
00:59:17.000 Training, marketing, adventure, concept, security.
00:59:20.000 I covered everything.
00:59:21.000 T-Max.
00:59:22.000 And then... 1.00
00:59:25.000 And then, man, shit just... 1.00
00:59:28.000 I was so freaking fortunate because shit fell into place for me. 0.99
00:59:33.000 I had guys who I trained for this corporation call the corporation and say, hey, we want Pat Mack to come train us again. 0.97
00:59:43.000 And they said, well, he's no longer here, but we could have somebody else do it.
00:59:46.000 And they were like, no, we don't want somebody else.
00:59:49.000 We don't care what it's called or what you're branding it.
00:59:53.000 We want this guy doing it.
00:59:55.000 So they were able to get in contact with me.
00:59:57.000 It was a big contract.
00:59:58.000 And then another one came up.
01:00:00.000 And then another one.
01:00:01.000 All in the same year.
01:00:03.000 It was all tactical training?
01:00:04.000 Yeah.
01:00:05.000 And it was all...
01:00:07.000 So that year was complete.
01:00:10.000 And then I had a bunch of different lessons learned, like government contracts, like sequestration.
01:00:17.000 Remember that?
01:00:18.000 2013?
01:00:20.000 Anyway, sequestration.
01:00:22.000 So government contracting and stuff like that, it all went away.
01:00:25.000 So there was a time in 2013 where I didn't work for six months.
01:00:29.000 It's scary when you're doing everything...
01:00:33.000 For and by yourself.
01:00:35.000 All your own admin and everything like that.
01:00:39.000 It could be... 0.99
01:00:40.000 It's very exciting, but scary as shit. 0.99
01:00:42.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:00:43.000 It's like, damn, man. 0.99
01:00:45.000 I don't care how much stuff I have in the pipeline. 1.00
01:00:48.000 I keep jamming more shit in there. 0.99
01:00:50.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99
01:00:53.000 But once...
01:00:54.000 So I had those government contracts.
01:00:57.000 Then...
01:00:59.000 I just built momentum and then started learning.
01:01:01.000 Alright, let's get rid of this.
01:01:02.000 Let's do more of this.
01:01:04.000 Let's not focus on that.
01:01:05.000 Let's focus on this.
01:01:08.000 And it grew into a very...
01:01:16.000 It's like self-fulfilling machine.
01:01:21.000 It's running very well right now.
01:01:25.000 But it was not easy getting there.
01:01:27.000 I mean, there was a lot of bumps and obstacles in the road.
01:01:30.000 But I tell guys that all the time, man.
01:01:32.000 Any road worth traveling...
01:01:36.000 You're probably going to have obstacles in it.
01:01:38.000 There's going to be temptation, like shortcuts.
01:01:41.000 Nope, stay on that road, bro.
01:01:43.000 Stay on that road.
01:01:43.000 Go through those potholes.
01:01:44.000 Go over those freaking bumps. 0.95
01:01:47.000 This road, it's going to suck, but after a while, it'll smooth out. 0.94
01:01:51.000 And sure enough, my road's smoothed out, and the bumps are few and far between right now.
01:01:58.000 So yeah, man, I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life, probably, right now.
01:02:06.000 I'm 54 years old.
01:02:11.000 It's like I've grown up.
01:02:13.000 But that's smart.
01:02:14.000 If you're a person who's thinking and trying to do better with your life, you should be at your best right now.
01:02:21.000 You should be at your best with how you perceive things, how you decide to approach things, how you look at things.
01:02:26.000 So when you're doing these tactical courses and you're traveling so much, that's very hard on your body.
01:02:35.000 That's probably one of the hardest things on your body, right?
01:02:37.000 All that travel?
01:02:38.000 Yeah.
01:02:41.000 I travel with two big cases because I have a gun case and a gear case. 0.97
01:02:49.000 You become a travel pro, but it still sucks.
01:02:51.000 You get up early, drive an hour to the airport, wait an hour to get your plane, take that plane to this And then, you know, another plane to this place, get in your rental car, go to your hotel, check in. 0.99
01:03:03.000 It's gotta be a pain in the ass to travel with the guns, too, right? 0.97
01:03:04.000 Yeah, well, only because it's different in every airport. 0.99
01:03:07.000 Yeah, in Alaska, they're used to guns. 0.68
01:03:10.000 They're like, yeah, come on in.
01:03:11.000 Yeah, Alaska, Wyoming, places like that.
01:03:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:03:14.000 But it's different in every airport.
01:03:17.000 So there's no consistency.
01:03:18.000 Even though, you know, I know what the webpage says.
01:03:20.000 I know what it says.
01:03:22.000 Right.
01:03:22.000 But they don't know what it says.
01:03:24.000 They have no idea.
01:03:25.000 When I travel with my bow, I find that.
01:03:28.000 LAX. Right.
01:03:28.000 Depending upon who I talk to.
01:03:30.000 Like some people, I go, yeah, it's a bow.
01:03:32.000 What are you doing?
01:03:32.000 Oh, I bow hunt.
01:03:33.000 They go, okay, cool.
01:03:34.000 Yeah, right.
01:03:34.000 And it's fine.
01:03:35.000 Other people are like, I don't think you can travel with this one.
01:03:37.000 I definitely can.
01:03:38.000 Get your manager.
01:03:40.000 Let's go to the website.
01:03:42.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99
01:03:43.000 And, you know, give myself an extra hour just in case shit like that happens. 0.98
01:03:47.000 Yeah, and I do that. 0.97
01:03:48.000 Definitely.
01:03:49.000 I plan for that extra hour just in case I gotta piss and moan.
01:03:54.000 Right.
01:03:56.000 But some of them are real smooth.
01:03:58.000 You know, airports are real smooth. 1.00
01:04:00.000 Others are a pain in the dick. 0.99
01:04:01.000 But people must look at you weird, though, right? 1.00
01:04:03.000 Yeah, a little bit.
01:04:03.000 I mean, they know me at my airport.
01:04:07.000 But you're also in North Carolina.
01:04:09.000 Right.
01:04:09.000 It's a different animal, too.
01:04:10.000 When you bring something like that to California, people are like, oh.
01:04:14.000 California is not as horrible as some other states.
01:04:17.000 It's not Second Amendment heaven.
01:04:18.000 Yeah, but it's not as horrible as some other states.
01:04:20.000 What's the worst?
01:04:21.000 New York.
01:04:21.000 Oh, yeah, that's the worst.
01:04:23.000 Forget about it.
01:04:24.000 Yeah, you can't even have a handgun in New York.
01:04:25.000 It's so hard to get a handgun.
01:04:27.000 Yeah, so you got like New Jersey, New York, Connecticut.
01:04:31.000 Yeah, states like that.
01:04:32.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:04:33.000 Yeah, they have very strange gun laws there.
01:04:36.000 I guess it's just because they've got so much violence, they thought that that was the solution.
01:04:40.000 Yeah.
01:04:41.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:04:43.000 I don't know.
01:04:44.000 So, what do you enjoy the most?
01:04:46.000 Do you enjoy doing the social media stuff?
01:04:49.000 Do you enjoy doing the tactical training?
01:04:51.000 Like, what do you enjoy doing the most?
01:04:52.000 Um, I... I like doing the workout stuff more than anything.
01:04:59.000 Because I think with that, I reach and help more people.
01:05:04.000 Even if they could be...
01:05:06.000 It's amazing.
01:05:08.000 It's like, you know, I have so many...
01:05:10.000 I don't know how this has happened.
01:05:13.000 But I have morphed into this guy who people rely on to motivate them.
01:05:19.000 And they tell me, bro, you're motivating the hell out of me.
01:05:22.000 Which fires me up.
01:05:23.000 As my buddy CJ says, what motivates a motivator?
01:05:26.000 Tell him you're motivating him.
01:05:29.000 So I love doing that stuff because it touches a lot of people, regardless of their age or their physical ability.
01:05:36.000 And a lot of guys may be bedridden with an illness or something like that, and it'll fire them up.
01:05:43.000 So I like doing that stuff.
01:05:46.000 I think next would be the shooting thing.
01:05:49.000 I mean, I love it.
01:05:53.000 I love running courses and meeting new people.
01:05:55.000 I meet a dozen new people every week from all walks of life.
01:06:00.000 All different reasons, motivations for doing it.
01:06:03.000 Yep.
01:06:03.000 And guys, they'll ask me during the classes, they say, bro, how do you stay motivated to do these almost every week?
01:06:12.000 And I say, because I get to meet guys like you, bro.
01:06:15.000 I mean, it's as simple as that.
01:06:16.000 Yeah, if you find enthusiastic people and you're teaching them, that helps a lot.
01:06:20.000 Yep.
01:06:20.000 Yeah.
01:06:21.000 So, you know, I like to fire people up, but I like to get it in return.
01:06:25.000 Do you find a lot of guys that are also retiring from the military, they want to talk to you about this because they're trying to figure out their path?
01:06:32.000 A couple of them have hit me up, and I am, man, open arms.
01:06:36.000 I'm like, let me show you whatever you want to know, because I have figured this out.
01:06:40.000 So, yep, I'm your Huckleberry.
01:06:44.000 It's not many of them, but they'll be a half dozen a year.
01:06:50.000 Who will ping me, hey, I want to get into the training industry.
01:06:53.000 There's plenty of room for it.
01:06:55.000 Every guy that I know that's either been spec ops, SEAL, whatever they've been, when they retire, it's one of the hardest moments of their life.
01:07:02.000 It's so hard for them to find some purpose.
01:07:06.000 And it's hard for them to find roots just to really feel like they belong again.
01:07:12.000 Because that life is so intense.
01:07:14.000 Yeah.
01:07:16.000 Because you have meaning.
01:07:18.000 And it's selfless.
01:07:21.000 You're doing something bigger than yourself.
01:07:24.000 And so, yeah, because you want, once again, if you just find, let's say, a J-O-B, where you're working, and maybe even working for the man, there's no meaning there.
01:07:40.000 You're not a part of something bigger than yourself.
01:07:42.000 Right, right.
01:07:44.000 So I always tell guys, hey, whenever you get out, whenever you separate, especially if you've got, you know, 20 plus years, and that's a long time, you are going to be adversely affected no matter how badass you are upstairs.
01:07:58.000 You're going to be to some degree.
01:08:01.000 You know, it could be a little depressed.
01:08:03.000 It could be a lot.
01:08:04.000 Yeah.
01:08:06.000 But if you find something, and it could be working for a charity, whatever.
01:08:10.000 If you find something where you could, with impunity, go to sleep and look forward to the next day, where you say, man, tomorrow's going to be freaking awesome.
01:08:22.000 I can't wait because I got this project pending and I'm going to help so many people.
01:08:28.000 Be better people.
01:08:31.000 Then, if you could do that, I mean, find that instead of just, you know, getting stuck in a rut, you know, instead of accepting mediocrity.
01:08:42.000 But, because that meaning, purposefulness, and selfless, doing something selfless, and being a part of something bigger than yourself is freaking huge.
01:08:54.000 Do they prepare you at all when you're getting ready to retire?
01:08:56.000 They say, good luck.
01:08:57.000 Yep.
01:08:58.000 Sayonara.
01:08:59.000 They just figure you're a badass and figure it out.
01:09:01.000 Wow.
01:09:02.000 I mean, you're making the choice because I could have stayed in another 10 years or what have you.
01:09:07.000 So you're doing it.
01:09:08.000 You're making that choice.
01:09:09.000 Why did you decide to leave?
01:09:13.000 There was a kind of a defining moment.
01:09:17.000 I had to do some soul searching.
01:09:20.000 It was all...
01:09:21.000 I had 22 years in.
01:09:22.000 I lost a couple buds at that moment.
01:09:29.000 And I had two little kitties at home.
01:09:32.000 So I had to do some soul searching and I thought, well, will there be any regret whatsoever?
01:09:40.000 And I thought, man, I pretty much...
01:09:42.000 I've done it all.
01:09:44.000 You know, as far as like special ops goes, I've...
01:09:48.000 I am not going to have any regrets because that was a big thing.
01:09:51.000 Will I regret this?
01:09:52.000 And I said to myself, no, I won't.
01:09:55.000 So I decided to retire with 22. And it was all special.
01:10:00.000 I was very fortunate.
01:10:01.000 My whole career was special ops, the whole thing.
01:10:05.000 But I did regret it.
01:10:07.000 I mean, it didn't take long.
01:10:09.000 You know, and it got worse.
01:10:10.000 Every year that passed, it got worse and worse.
01:10:13.000 And I was like, man, I should have just stayed.
01:10:17.000 Well, it's got to be so hard even for, not just for you, but for, I mean, not just for the soldiers, but for the wives.
01:10:23.000 Yeah.
01:10:23.000 Like, to know that the husband is constantly in these crazy situations overseas, constantly in these very, very dangerous environments.
01:10:34.000 Yep.
01:10:35.000 The stress of that.
01:10:36.000 Yeah, I think it takes a special kind on both sides, you know.
01:10:41.000 And usually, spouses have a pretty good support mechanism, too, with the units and other spouses and that kind of thing.
01:10:50.000 Right.
01:10:50.000 So, yeah, usually they're pretty tough.
01:10:53.000 They get used to it.
01:10:55.000 Yeah, I guess.
01:10:55.000 You know, it becomes a way of life.
01:10:57.000 It becomes a normal thing.
01:10:58.000 Right.
01:11:00.000 Yep.
01:11:02.000 But yeah, still miss it.
01:11:04.000 I'm sure.
01:11:04.000 Yeah.
01:11:05.000 Well, everyone I talk to does, you know.
01:11:07.000 Have you ever read Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe?
01:11:10.000 Oh, yeah.
01:11:11.000 Yeah.
01:11:12.000 I just, just recently, I didn't, I listened to it.
01:11:16.000 Yeah. 0.64
01:11:17.000 Yeah, freaking badass.
01:11:18.000 Yeah, I loved it. 0.68
01:11:20.000 Yeah, he's great reading it, too.
01:11:22.000 It's an excellent book.
01:11:23.000 And does it explain in your eyes?
01:11:26.000 I thought he did a pretty good job with that whole thing.
01:11:30.000 Absolutely.
01:11:32.000 I thought he was pretty much spot on.
01:11:36.000 North and Southing my head as I was driving down I-95 listening to that book.
01:11:42.000 So, it's safe to say that you went through this period post-military where you were really just trying to find yourself again, but then you caught it.
01:11:51.000 Yeah.
01:11:51.000 And then you caught it, and now you seem like you're in your glory.
01:11:54.000 Oh, hell yeah.
01:11:55.000 Like I said, I really enjoy your page, man.
01:11:57.000 Oh, right on.
01:11:57.000 Thanks, yeah.
01:11:57.000 It's really fun.
01:11:58.000 It's intense, and you're also kind of, you're a badass, but you're fun with it.
01:12:03.000 Yeah, right.
01:12:03.000 You have a good time.
01:12:04.000 Yeah.
01:12:05.000 Yeah, I love doing it.
01:12:07.000 I love both doing the YouTube channel and the IG. And I put some thought into it.
01:12:18.000 And your wife helped you with this stuff?
01:12:20.000 Yeah, she helped me set stuff up.
01:12:22.000 Because I didn't know what any of this stuff was.
01:12:24.000 So we got married...
01:12:28.000 We met in like fall of 13. And then the first social media platform I had was Facebook because somebody's posing as me.
01:12:36.000 Oh, that's hilarious.
01:12:38.000 So in order to report them, I needed to get an account on Facebook.
01:12:44.000 And then once I did, I friend requested this guy who was posing as me.
01:12:49.000 And anyway.
01:12:49.000 What did he say?
01:12:50.000 Why was he doing it?
01:12:53.000 I figured it out.
01:12:54.000 I did some detective work.
01:12:55.000 But he was posing as me because he wanted to bash somebody else in the gun industry and pose as somebody credible in the industry.
01:13:03.000 So this guy that he was bashing contacted me and said, hey, why are you saying this? 0.99
01:13:09.000 And I don't talk shit about anybody. 0.97
01:13:11.000 So I'm like, bro, I think you got the wrong guy. 0.98
01:13:15.000 And I said, just call me up.
01:13:17.000 Here's my number.
01:13:18.000 That's hilarious.
01:13:18.000 And we had a chit-chat and he goes, oh...
01:13:21.000 Man, I got some bad news for you.
01:13:22.000 You do have a Facebook account.
01:13:24.000 You sent me a link and everything.
01:13:27.000 So I started that one.
01:13:29.000 I already had a couple YouTube videos up.
01:13:33.000 But then I just went full bore with it. 0.99
01:13:37.000 Went kind of bat shit. 0.99
01:13:39.000 And then the... 0.98
01:13:41.000 The IG was fun, man, when Rebecca, my wife, showed me that.
01:13:44.000 That was probably, I think, I'm five years into that.
01:13:49.000 And I figured it out, you know, what my audience wants.
01:13:53.000 I pay attention to...
01:13:56.000 You know, the analytics.
01:14:00.000 Do you really?
01:14:01.000 Yeah, only because I want to.
01:14:07.000 Because I want to give them what they want versus me.
01:14:11.000 What do you get out of the analytics?
01:14:13.000 What does it show you?
01:14:23.000 Mm-hmm.
01:14:31.000 It's, the videos do the best, and if they're short, like I do a lot around the combat strength training.
01:14:40.000 So I supplement my e-book with little workout snippets.
01:14:45.000 Hey, this is another example of a power thing, blah, blah, blah.
01:14:47.000 So I put information in there as well.
01:14:49.000 You know, I jot down info.
01:14:50.000 So make sure you work in a transverse plane, you know, rate of force production, no speed, no power, blah, blah, blah.
01:14:58.000 And this could be supplemented with a Resistance band instead of weight.
01:15:03.000 So I pay attention to that stuff because that's what people want.
01:15:06.000 That's where I get the most feedback.
01:15:08.000 Guys are like, bro, thank you so much for putting this out.
01:15:10.000 I'm like, all right, man.
01:15:11.000 So I know for a fact that I'm helping people.
01:15:15.000 Or if I put maybe a course of fire out or talk about a specific way to clean and break down a 1911. Whatever it is.
01:15:25.000 When I put out information, it resonates better.
01:15:29.000 And it seems that it's more palatable with the masses or the people who are following me.
01:15:34.000 Because I get a lot...
01:15:36.000 I answer all those freaking comments.
01:15:39.000 Do you really? 0.97
01:15:39.000 A lot of them. 0.97
01:15:40.000 How can you do that?
01:15:42.000 I spend...
01:15:43.000 How many followers do you have? 0.99
01:15:44.000 On IG 160K... How the fuck can you possibly answer all those things? 0.97
01:15:50.000 A lot of them are just, you know, hitting the like. 0.98
01:15:52.000 Right.
01:15:53.000 And sometimes that means a lot to people, man.
01:15:55.000 You know, I'll have guys screenshotting, Pat Mack liked my comment, you know?
01:16:02.000 But it's a couple hours.
01:16:04.000 I'll spend, I think, two hours a day is what I do on the social, like, email.
01:16:10.000 Then I could get to work. 0.99
01:16:11.000 You know, I don't have to fuck with that anymore. 0.99
01:16:13.000 But it's usually about that much. 0.99
01:16:15.000 Well, your page makes me want to take a tactical course.
01:16:18.000 So if somebody wanted to do that, where would they go?
01:16:20.000 They go to my website, tmaxinc.com.
01:16:25.000 Do you ever do any of them out here in LA? Yeah, I used to come out here all the time.
01:16:29.000 The only reason, and it's not the gun thing, just I'm getting travel-weary, man. 0.86
01:16:33.000 That three-hour time zone smokes the shit out of me.
01:16:36.000 You ever go to Australia? 0.57
01:16:38.000 No, I've been invited to do courses there, but there's a whole new, another thing with training overseas.
01:16:45.000 It's, you know, it's a State Department, Department of State thing, and ITARS and all that. 0.99
01:16:49.000 It's a pain in the dick. 0.99
01:16:50.000 Oh, I'm sure. 0.99
01:16:51.000 So, I'm not trying to blow these guys off.
01:16:54.000 Here it is.
01:16:55.000 Take a live CST course.
01:16:57.000 Oh, yeah, the CST course.
01:16:58.000 I don't do them live much anymore, only because they didn't...
01:17:04.000 They didn't sell and feel well because I think they thought that it was going to be a beatdown. 1.00
01:17:11.000 Oh, that you were going to go and kick their asses? 0.98
01:17:12.000 Right, but it's a lot of information and a lot of feel and stuff out. 0.99
01:17:17.000 So what is a CST course?
01:17:19.000 What does that mean?
01:17:21.000 Well, it's basically replicating what I have in that e-book and people say, bro, put this book in hardcover.
01:17:29.000 It's 35 pages, man.
01:17:31.000 It's not cost-productive.
01:17:32.000 You know what I mean?
01:17:33.000 Just download it and print it out, would you?
01:17:36.000 Oh, my God.
01:17:38.000 What is a CST course?
01:17:40.000 A CST course would replicate what I have in that book within a day's period.
01:17:46.000 Okay.
01:17:46.000 So it's a good supplement for those who have the book because I do all the classroom with the whiteboard stuff.
01:17:54.000 You know, you break the work week down, power day, strength, race, speed, and quickness, hypertrophy, skills, and then talk about, you know, eccentric, concentric, isometric, transverse, sagittal, frontal.
01:18:05.000 Where'd you learn all this stuff?
01:18:07.000 Got an NASM. You know, National Academy of Sports Medicine?
01:18:11.000 Because I wanted to, you know, it's a freaking piece of paper.
01:18:16.000 It took me six months to get.
01:18:19.000 But I wanted to have a piece of paper to back up.
01:18:23.000 Certified.
01:18:23.000 Right.
01:18:24.000 And that was the closest thing that I found to what I was putting out.
01:18:29.000 And it was pretty spot on, only mine's way cooler.
01:18:34.000 You know, it's not like the lame thing.
01:18:38.000 You know, health club version.
01:18:40.000 Got it, right.
01:18:41.000 More tactical and practical.
01:18:43.000 Right, yep.
01:18:45.000 So the class would basically just encompass what's in the book in a one day period.
01:18:52.000 And now it's more like tangible because people aren't touching it, feeling it, seeing it, you know, these certain exercises versus seeing a picture of it.
01:18:59.000 Right.
01:19:00.000 But there's a lot of good information in that book, and then I supplement both my YouTube channel and the IG with all these other little snippets.
01:19:10.000 Man, I put out a lot of information.
01:19:12.000 I mean, a lot.
01:19:14.000 So...
01:19:16.000 People won't get bored because I don't want people to get bored with their workouts.
01:19:18.000 All I'm doing is teaching them how to cook and then showing them ingredients.
01:19:24.000 And now go cook your own meal.
01:19:25.000 Here's some other recipes.
01:19:27.000 Throw these ingredients into your pot.
01:19:32.000 So that's what I do with the social media platform is I supplement that with whatever. 0.96
01:19:38.000 I'll come up with some dumbass name for some movement that I'm doing.
01:19:43.000 But they're good, functional, safe Low impact movements that encourage self-preservation longevity and fitness and not brokenness. 0.92
01:19:57.000 Too many, oh my God.
01:19:59.000 Too many guys, especially older guys, doing herky-jerky stuff and getting hurt in the gym.
01:20:05.000 Especially when they take a long time off and they forget that their body's 56 and not 26. Yeah, super common.
01:20:13.000 So if people go to your, is it combatstrengthtraining.com, is that what it's called?
01:20:17.000 For the CST, but that's not for my courses.
01:20:21.000 My tactical stuff is T-Max Inc.
01:20:24.000 Oh, okay.
01:20:25.000 Is there a link to that from there?
01:20:27.000 Yeah.
01:20:28.000 T-Max is my, that's who I am.
01:20:31.000 So T-Max Inc.
01:20:33.000 And then from there, there's all of the...
01:20:35.000 Discover Performance.
01:20:36.000 Yep.
01:20:37.000 Yep. 1.00
01:20:38.000 Handsome bastard. 1.00
01:20:39.000 Nice jacket too. 1.00
01:20:40.000 Yeah, man.
01:20:41.000 So this is all like, it's got a lot of your videos up there.
01:20:44.000 It shows you what you're doing.
01:20:45.000 Yep.
01:20:45.000 And it's got all the courses and it's got a...
01:20:48.000 Badass store, too, man.
01:20:50.000 I got some booty on that store. 0.69
01:20:52.000 Oh, tools.
01:20:54.000 Ooh, get you some.
01:20:55.000 So when you're putting all these different workouts together, how much do they change?
01:21:02.000 If someone goes to your website and wants to follow your courses?
01:21:06.000 Right.
01:21:08.000 The physical stuff?
01:21:09.000 Yeah.
01:21:09.000 Oh, the core workout doesn't change that much.
01:21:16.000 The movements do.
01:21:18.000 So I break the work week down into a, like Monday, for instance, power day.
01:21:22.000 Then strength day.
01:21:24.000 Speed and quickness.
01:21:26.000 Hypertrophy.
01:21:27.000 Skills.
01:21:27.000 And then there's a couple, because people don't have five days.
01:21:30.000 You could lump, for instance, speed and power.
01:21:34.000 You could lump strength and hypertrophy.
01:21:40.000 So the gist stays the same.
01:21:44.000 Power day.
01:21:45.000 Work in anaerobic chunks.
01:21:47.000 In circuit to near metabolic threshold to meet anaerobic goal.
01:21:50.000 Pick you five good power exercises.
01:21:52.000 Make sure that two of them are in a transverse plane.
01:21:56.000 And if they got the book, that could sustain them for just with that for, let's say, I don't know, whatever, months without getting bored.
01:22:07.000 But They definitely want to go to some of the stuff that I put on the interwebs to help sustain and keep the ideas fresh.
01:22:17.000 Right.
01:22:17.000 Because we don't want to fall into that, once again, that rut of complacent adaptation.
01:22:22.000 We're doing the same shit over and over and over, day by day, and too many guys do that. 0.99
01:22:26.000 Right. 0.99
01:22:28.000 It's not healthy.
01:22:29.000 I noticed you incorporate a lot of martial arts stuff, too.
01:22:31.000 You were doing some arm drags the other day.
01:22:33.000 Yep.
01:22:34.000 What do you do?
01:22:36.000 You just do this for practical applications in a street fight scenario?
01:22:41.000 Yes.
01:22:43.000 I'm a big fan of different...
01:22:46.000 Different fight.
01:22:48.000 And you're doing all this stuff.
01:22:49.000 You do it with shoes on because this is how you're going to be in real life.
01:22:52.000 Yeah, most of the time.
01:22:53.000 I mean, I don't go into our fight room with shoes on because it's got mats in there.
01:22:56.000 It's nice.
01:22:57.000 So, you know, when we grapple and even work bags, I'm barefooted.
01:23:03.000 But usually, there's a lot of times I'm working out in these with a gun on, too.
01:23:06.000 It's just appendix carry under my T-shirt.
01:23:09.000 Right.
01:23:10.000 Just so that you keep it unloaded?
01:23:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:23:14.000 Just so you know where it's...
01:23:16.000 Because it impedes your movement a little bit?
01:23:17.000 Yep.
01:23:18.000 Just to make sure that it doesn't impede my movement.
01:23:20.000 Right.
01:23:20.000 But just to know where it's at.
01:23:22.000 Right.
01:23:22.000 Okay.
01:23:23.000 So there's a place where you can keep it where you can move just as well.
01:23:26.000 Yep.
01:23:27.000 And so this dude that you're working with, he's a wrestler...
01:23:29.000 Yeah, he's good, man.
01:23:30.000 Randy's good.
01:23:31.000 And what is he working with you on?
01:23:33.000 You're just working on...
01:23:34.000 We're not the sharpest right here, because this was after a power workout.
01:23:39.000 We're smoked, right?
01:23:41.000 We're smoked.
01:23:41.000 And all we're doing here is just control.
01:23:43.000 Just stand up for control, you know?
01:23:45.000 And I used to be a good wrestler, but my game is off.
01:23:51.000 But that was decades and decades ago.
01:23:55.000 So, Randy's getting in.
01:23:58.000 He's training for a competition.
01:24:00.000 A jiu-jitsu competition?
01:24:01.000 I think it's kind of a mixed wrestling, jiu-jitsu competition.
01:24:08.000 I think he's doing the wrestling.
01:24:10.000 I'm pretty sure.
01:24:12.000 So, I said, hey, bro, let's start mixing it up.
01:24:15.000 I want to get back into wrestling.
01:24:18.000 You know rolling some more because I'm bigger here so it'll be good for him because I'm bigger and stronger than he is so and then it'll be good for me too.
01:24:28.000 I used to do a lot of fight training especially a boxing and kickboxing a little tentative on getting punched in the face anymore.
01:24:37.000 Yeah, not good for your head.
01:24:38.000 I have degenerative spine.
01:24:41.000 What's wrong with your neck?
01:24:43.000 Degenerative spine.
01:24:45.000 Degenerative disc disease, right?
01:24:48.000 That's very controversial, you know.
01:24:50.000 A lot of people say that it's a disease, but then I talk to a physiologist and they say, well, what it is is pressure on your discs because you're lifting a lot of weights or you're involved in something that presses down on you and then your discs degenerate.
01:25:03.000 It's not like a disease is causing your discs to go away.
01:25:06.000 That disease...
01:25:08.000 Air quotes.
01:25:09.000 Almost always happens in people that are involved with very strenuous physical exercise.
01:25:14.000 Yep.
01:25:15.000 And so there's different ways that you can kind of mitigate some of that stuff.
01:25:18.000 Do you ever do spinal decompression?
01:25:21.000 No, I haven't done that one.
01:25:23.000 Man, there's a harness that you could buy on Amazon.
01:25:26.000 It's like 39 bucks.
01:25:28.000 You hang from a door.
01:25:29.000 And you pull that click, click, click, click, click, and it stretches.
01:25:32.000 Sometimes just that alone will give you a lot of relief.
01:25:36.000 I do have an inversion table, and that's freaking, I love that.
01:25:39.000 Those are great.
01:25:39.000 I have one of those too.
01:25:41.000 Yeah, those are great.
01:25:41.000 And then there's another machine called the Reverse Hyper that's fantastic for your lower back.
01:25:46.000 I'll show it to you outside.
01:25:47.000 Right on.
01:25:47.000 We have one in the gym area.
01:25:49.000 But that also actively decompresses and then strengthens all those muscles around your back as well.
01:25:54.000 But the stuff with the neck, too, there's a bunch of different things you could do.
01:26:00.000 I mean, I don't know if you do any neck exercises. 0.99
01:26:02.000 Do you fuck with anything? 0.99
01:26:03.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
01:26:04.000 Yeah?
01:26:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:26:05.000 At least once a week.
01:26:08.000 And I've got to, yeah, I always tell guys, you've got to work your neck, man.
01:26:13.000 It supports the command center.
01:26:14.000 Right, right, right.
01:26:14.000 You have to.
01:26:15.000 Now, you said it's disc degeneration, so you don't want to get choked?
01:26:19.000 Is that what it is?
01:26:19.000 You don't want to get your neck manipulated?
01:26:21.000 Yeah, because like my distal phalanges, there's numbness there.
01:26:26.000 Okay, yeah.
01:26:28.000 And, you know, like sleeping, I have to sleep like a corpse.
01:26:31.000 So there's no rolling or anything.
01:26:34.000 Just straight corpse.
01:26:35.000 So the numbness indicates there's something pressing on your...
01:26:39.000 Right.
01:26:39.000 Yeah.
01:26:40.000 That decompression device will help you a lot.
01:26:43.000 I gotta try it.
01:26:43.000 It's cheap, too.
01:26:44.000 Like I said, it's like $30 or $39 or something like that. 1.00
01:26:46.000 But that sucker, man. 0.99
01:26:48.000 I get in that thing and click, click, click, click, click. 0.99
01:26:50.000 It's like I'm hanging a little bit.
01:26:52.000 It feels good.
01:26:53.000 It just alleviates tension.
01:26:55.000 If you could do that every day for a few minutes, you know, that, the inversion table, all those things, you can keep all that stuff healthy.
01:27:00.000 Yeah.
01:27:01.000 And it feels good.
01:27:05.000 I just don't want to get punched in the face anymore.
01:27:07.000 I've been punched in the face a lot.
01:27:08.000 I hear you, man.
01:27:09.000 I'm not into it either.
01:27:10.000 It's just the brain is not designed to get hit.
01:27:13.000 One of the things that I do like about jiu-jitsu more than anything is that you can go hard and you're not hitting each other.
01:27:20.000 There's a big difference.
01:27:22.000 You can get a full 100% exertion exercise workout in without risk of hurting each other.
01:27:28.000 Especially if you go with a good guy.
01:27:29.000 Yeah.
01:27:30.000 The guys I work with, their fight is way better than mine.
01:27:35.000 So they know how to train.
01:27:38.000 They're not going to jet.
01:27:39.000 It's so important.
01:27:40.000 I've been doing fight stuff for a long, long time.
01:27:44.000 And I've been fortunate that there's always somebody better looking out for me and say, hey, let's work this or work that or just tweaking, just making those tweaks.
01:27:56.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.
01:27:57.000 Do you do any ground training?
01:27:59.000 Do you do any jiu-jitsu or anything like that?
01:28:00.000 Not enough.
01:28:01.000 Not enough.
01:28:01.000 Not enough.
01:28:02.000 Nope.
01:28:03.000 And like I said, my coaches are really good, but I don't do enough of it.
01:28:07.000 How come?
01:28:09.000 I don't have a good reason.
01:28:11.000 Yeah.
01:28:12.000 Yeah, and I just said that to him.
01:28:14.000 I just said, hey guys, I have to do more.
01:28:16.000 I gotta do more ground stuff.
01:28:18.000 They're like, right on.
01:28:19.000 Yeah.
01:28:20.000 Yeah, get in there, man.
01:28:21.000 It's humbling.
01:28:22.000 Yeah.
01:28:22.000 People like to avoid it.
01:28:24.000 We do, you know, I mean, I do it, but...
01:28:29.000 But not enough.
01:28:31.000 I'm very comfortable on my feet.
01:28:35.000 My level of confidence on being able to punch somebody's mouth loose without them Even knowing what happened is pretty...
01:28:48.000 I'm pretty confident there.
01:28:51.000 With the likelihood of who I'm going to tussle with.
01:28:59.000 That's the thing though, right?
01:29:01.000 Plus, I have moxie. 0.96
01:29:06.000 I got a lot of attitude.
01:29:08.000 And that goes a long way.
01:29:10.000 Having that kutzpah, that attitude.
01:29:15.000 Sometimes it's equally important to have that.
01:29:18.000 I have a thing in my head that says I can beat anybody at anything.
01:29:24.000 It doesn't have to be true, but that's what I hear in my head. 1.00
01:29:28.000 The problem with that is when it's obvious that that's not true, then you're like, fuck! 1.00
01:29:33.000 Now what? 0.99
01:29:34.000 And then you get experience.
01:29:36.000 Experience is something you get shortly after you need it.
01:29:38.000 Yeah.
01:29:40.000 Yeah.
01:29:41.000 It's interesting that you combine those things, though, that you have this gym where there's all this martial arts stuff and then the tactical stuff.
01:29:49.000 What do you do to chill out? 0.93
01:29:51.000 Because it seems like everything is fucking go, go, go, go, go. 0.97
01:29:54.000 Everything is lifting weights and shooting and pulling ropes and shooting and arm dragging and shooting. 0.98
01:29:59.000 What do you do to calm yourself?
01:30:01.000 I am hobby heavy.
01:30:02.000 Hobby heavy.
01:30:03.000 Well, you show me your drawing.
01:30:04.000 Yeah, I do.
01:30:05.000 Very talented.
01:30:06.000 So I draw.
01:30:07.000 I bird watch.
01:30:09.000 Bird watch?
01:30:10.000 Yep.
01:30:10.000 I've been a bird watcher since I was 10 years old.
01:30:12.000 Really?
01:30:13.000 Yep.
01:30:13.000 Golf.
01:30:15.000 I go down this list.
01:30:16.000 Guitar, drums, cook.
01:30:21.000 Let me see here. 0.99
01:30:22.000 I got so many freaking hobbies, it's ridiculous. 0.73
01:30:25.000 But the good thing about most of them is I could go to them and it doesn't take me a lot of time or energy to invest in it. 0.88
01:30:35.000 I'm a big time fisherman, outdoorsman, woodsman type of thing.
01:30:39.000 I love that stuff.
01:30:40.000 I get into the Rocky Mountains at least once a year and do, like, privation training, you know, just on my own.
01:30:48.000 So, like, what do you do when you do that?
01:30:49.000 Like, just camp out there and live off the land for a few days?
01:30:52.000 Yep.
01:30:52.000 Try to sustain, you know, with what I have and what's available to me.
01:30:58.000 You do that once a year?
01:30:59.000 Yeah.
01:31:00.000 And it also includes orienteering.
01:31:03.000 So, you know, one over 24,000 scale topographical map.
01:31:09.000 And so orienteering.
01:31:13.000 And these are wilderness areas, not like national parks or forests.
01:31:16.000 And then try to hunt a killer, eat it, you know, along the way.
01:31:20.000 I carry enough food so I'm not going to be miserable.
01:31:23.000 So I'm not going to suffer.
01:31:25.000 How many days do you do when you're out there?
01:31:26.000 Well, now that I'm retired, not four to five anymore.
01:31:32.000 You bring a rucksack or something like that?
01:31:34.000 Yep.
01:31:35.000 So I pack in whatever I need.
01:31:39.000 And packing a ruck is a real...
01:31:42.000 It's artwork, man.
01:31:45.000 Even if you've been in the military forever, you just never, ever get that down to a perfect science.
01:31:54.000 Right, especially your weight.
01:31:55.000 Yeah, because you've got weight, you've got terrain, you've got the situation may dictate to strip this and add that, and then where are you going to put it, and Do you bring satellite phone or anything when you do it?
01:32:08.000 I do.
01:32:09.000 I bring one of those.
01:32:11.000 Mark, you don't want to roll an ankle out there.
01:32:14.000 Well, plus, I usually go to Montana like Bob Marshall, so that's the highest concentration of Grizzlies.
01:32:22.000 So you're not on the top of the food chain, man.
01:32:24.000 There's some big hungries out there. 0.99
01:32:25.000 That's a fucking scary spot. 0.99
01:32:27.000 Well, it's always usually pretty good unless you run into a female with her cubs. 0.99
01:32:32.000 That's when it gets super sketchy.
01:32:34.000 I just wrote about that.
01:32:37.000 I write for Ballistic magazine and Combat Handguns.
01:32:43.000 And I just wrote an article about that, in Ballistic, about what should be in your personal survival kit.
01:32:50.000 Let's say you go on a day fishing trip in Alaska.
01:32:53.000 What do you have in that thing? 1.00
01:32:56.000 In the event that you need to go into contingency planning mode, that shit hits the fan. 0.98
01:33:00.000 You've got to have something on you instead of just your... 0.99
01:33:04.000 Your Orvis fly rod and a couple bead heads.
01:33:07.000 The big debate with hunters is should you bring bear spray or should you bring a pistol?
01:33:12.000 Yep.
01:33:13.000 I bring both.
01:33:14.000 Yeah, smart.
01:33:16.000 Anytime bear country, I bring both.
01:33:18.000 I got them both on.
01:33:19.000 And I've talked to a lot of grizz hunters.
01:33:21.000 And I put that in that article, too.
01:33:23.000 It's like, guys, you know, I've done some research here.
01:33:28.000 But yeah, so I'll bring both.
01:33:31.000 Have you had any encounters when you're out there?
01:33:33.000 I've had almost every year.
01:33:35.000 Really?
01:33:35.000 The closest one, 15 yards.
01:33:38.000 Man.
01:33:38.000 Jesus.
01:33:39.000 Yeah.
01:33:39.000 That was the first time ever up there, too.
01:33:41.000 And I'm smoked.
01:33:43.000 I'm at the end.
01:33:44.000 This is when I was doing...
01:33:45.000 I started doing these when I was active.
01:33:48.000 So bringing up unit guys.
01:33:49.000 And this one was 95 miles long.
01:33:52.000 We walked from...
01:33:58.000 A little spot on the map.
01:33:59.000 Oh, Columbia Falls, south of Columbia Falls, Montana, to Lincoln, the home of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.
01:34:06.000 Really?
01:34:07.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:34:07.000 That's where he lived?
01:34:08.000 Yeah, so walk this stretch, and it's 95 miles, right, north to south.
01:34:12.000 And you've got to cross like three different mountain passes, and it's a smoker.
01:34:17.000 So I think it was the fifth day, because we had one more R-O-N, one more rest overnight. 0.86
01:34:24.000 And on the fifth day, we would walk like lines adrift and stuff like that, you know.
01:34:31.000 And whenever I couldn't see 25 yards up ahead of me, I would clap my hands, make some racket, coming through!
01:34:38.000 You know, that kind of thing.
01:34:40.000 Because grids want nothing to do with you.
01:34:44.000 You get in between their young, their food source, or you startle them.
01:34:49.000 That's when you run into trouble.
01:34:52.000 So I did not want to start.
01:34:53.000 And here I am.
01:34:55.000 And I've got six guys with me, but they're lagging behind.
01:34:58.000 And I, you know, coming through and I look up ahead and this gigantic male stands up.
01:35:05.000 And the only thing that I could see, my only reaction was, whoa!
01:35:09.000 I mean, I was just blown away.
01:35:11.000 Just think, 15 yards is less distance than you flew when you crashed into the deer.
01:35:17.000 Right, yeah, yeah.
01:35:17.000 You flew in the air.
01:35:18.000 So you could fly in the air and pass that bear five yards. 0.75
01:35:22.000 That's right, yep.
01:35:23.000 Wow.
01:35:24.000 Yep.
01:35:24.000 He took off.
01:35:25.000 Boom.
01:35:26.000 He was gone.
01:35:26.000 Jesus.
01:35:27.000 Lucky.
01:35:28.000 Yeah.
01:35:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:35:29.000 Because, I mean, that's a lot.
01:35:32.000 That's a lot of animal.
01:35:33.000 Yeah.
01:35:34.000 I tell you, when you're standing, like, in the woods, in the wild, 15 yards, 15, 15 yards.
01:35:41.000 And when that thing stood up, that's all I could...
01:35:44.000 I mean, I had a gun and bear spray on them.
01:35:47.000 I went for neither of them.
01:35:49.000 All I could think of was, whoa!
01:35:50.000 And then when he took off, my next thought was, where's my camera?
01:35:54.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:35:55.000 Well, that's nature's cleanup crew right there. 0.98
01:35:58.000 Anything that limps, falls down, fucks up, that's what it's there for.
01:36:02.000 That's why there's a thousand pounds of them.
01:36:05.000 Man.
01:36:06.000 Impressive.
01:36:08.000 It's a majestic animal.
01:36:10.000 You see one in the wild, you realize, wow, nature has a system.
01:36:15.000 They know what they're doing. 1.00
01:36:16.000 When they want to get rid of a moose, they send one of these motherfuckers in there. 1.00
01:36:22.000 I mean, really? 1.00
01:36:23.000 Yeah.
01:36:24.000 So when you're doing these things, are you keeping a journal when you're doing these trips while you're by yourself?
01:36:30.000 Uh-oh.
01:36:32.000 I usually don't go by myself.
01:36:34.000 I usually have strap hangers, and they're different every year.
01:36:37.000 And a lot of times, it's just like this.
01:36:39.000 You know, a couple guys talk and say, oh man, I'd like to do that with you.
01:36:42.000 So just send me an email, and I'll send you the dates.
01:36:45.000 Oh, wow.
01:36:46.000 Because one is securities and numbers.
01:36:49.000 Right.
01:36:50.000 Especially in Grizz country.
01:36:51.000 Yeah.
01:36:53.000 Plus, I like teaching stuff, so I'll have guys who I can teach like orienteering and, you know, field craft, you know, making a fire with sticks and that kind of thing.
01:37:02.000 The right way to maybe to prep and cook a trout, you know, Do you bring a rod with you?
01:37:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37:12.000 One of them small breakdown rods?
01:37:14.000 Yep, I'll bring two of them.
01:37:17.000 I'll bring a telescoping tencora and a four-piece, like a five-weight Orvis.
01:37:23.000 Okay.
01:37:25.000 So that's a fly rod then.
01:37:26.000 Yeah.
01:37:27.000 Okay.
01:37:27.000 For me, that's sustenance because I'm not taking a lot of food.
01:37:32.000 Plus, I want to fish.
01:37:33.000 I want it to be time off.
01:37:35.000 Right.
01:37:35.000 And I want to chill.
01:37:36.000 I don't want to just work my ass off when I'm on these.
01:37:39.000 So I'm out there ripping lips, but I'm eating two of them in the morning and two at night.
01:37:45.000 And then it's a lot of fun.
01:37:47.000 I've been doing these things now since 98, I think.
01:37:51.000 That's a great way to decompress too, right?
01:37:53.000 Yeah.
01:37:54.000 The places I go, one of them, I will lose cell phone coverage an hour before I hit the end of the dirt road.
01:38:04.000 And then you stop the car, you're at the end of the road, now you're already in, you're just at the edge of the wilderness area, deep into a national forest.
01:38:14.000 Right.
01:38:15.000 And then into the wilderness for, you know, however many days and miles.
01:38:20.000 You run into other folks when you're out there?
01:38:22.000 Very rarely.
01:38:24.000 The best, you know, I loved walking like on the 95 mile one and seeing nobody.
01:38:29.000 Yeah.
01:38:29.000 Nobody.
01:38:30.000 Yeah.
01:38:31.000 I mean, these places are remote.
01:38:33.000 The Frank Church in Idaho.
01:38:35.000 Yes, Idaho, yeah.
01:38:36.000 I'd walk the Wind River in Wyoming.
01:38:41.000 The Frank Church, I walked from the town of Salmon to McCall.
01:38:46.000 That one smoked me.
01:38:47.000 How far is that?
01:38:49.000 On a scale of things, as a crow flies, it's not that far.
01:38:52.000 I think it's 60 miles or something, but it's straight up, straight down.
01:38:56.000 Straight down, yeah.
01:38:57.000 It's the most horrific and just terrifying terrain.
01:39:03.000 I mean, especially if you're, you know, If your objective is to move from point A to point B and not just an out and back, let me see how far I can go. 0.92
01:39:12.000 No, when you got somebody picking you up at point B and you have to be there, oh man, it is a freaking smoker.
01:39:20.000 Yeah, I've never been to the Frank Church, but my friend Ryan Callahan was living up there for a long time.
01:39:24.000 It's cool.
01:39:25.000 He says it's amazing up there.
01:39:27.000 It's also so remote, but yet it's so close to Boise.
01:39:32.000 It's not that far.
01:39:33.000 Yeah, the grand scale things, it's not that far.
01:39:38.000 But when you have these wilderness areas, like, I don't know, let's say it's 500 million square acres or whatever it is, that's also encompassed By national parks and stuff.
01:39:52.000 And, you know, national parks will have dirt roads in them, and they'll have little scatterings of population here and there.
01:39:59.000 But those wilderness areas, there's nothing in those.
01:40:02.000 Yeah, just animals.
01:40:03.000 Yeah, there's no dirt roads.
01:40:05.000 And it's such a complete ecosystem, too.
01:40:07.000 I mean, they have everything from wolves to grizzlies to mule deer to elk.
01:40:11.000 It's all living up in there.
01:40:13.000 Yeah.
01:40:13.000 And they are cool.
01:40:16.000 I mean...
01:40:18.000 I love doing those, too, because you have to think, there is an element of danger here that can kill me.
01:40:23.000 And it's not just a big hungry.
01:40:27.000 You could get cut and die out there.
01:40:32.000 Because nobody's coming to get you.
01:40:34.000 Even if you got that beacon, you know, Forest Service and stuff, they're probably busy servicing, you know, Grandma broke a leg trying to take a picture of a bison in this national park.
01:40:46.000 Coming into that wilderness area, you know, there's no HLZs there and stuff like that.
01:40:53.000 So, man, I love that element of danger, especially since I retired.
01:40:58.000 You know, I want to be cold, tired, hungry, and maybe a little scared.
01:41:03.000 And I want that several times a year.
01:41:06.000 Because, you know, it's primal.
01:41:09.000 And I think most guys need that.
01:41:13.000 Guys need that.
01:41:15.000 Yeah.
01:41:16.000 No, I think so, too.
01:41:17.000 Dude, you're living a fun life, man.
01:41:18.000 Yeah.
01:41:19.000 I enjoy following it.
01:41:21.000 Right on.
01:41:21.000 I appreciate it.
01:41:22.000 Yeah.
01:41:22.000 I appreciate you coming on, man.
01:41:24.000 I really do.
01:41:24.000 Dude, thank you.
01:41:25.000 So, tell people one more time your websites.
01:41:27.000 Yeah.
01:41:28.000 My website is tmaxinc.com.
01:41:31.000 T-M-A-C-S-I-N-C. tmaxinc.com.
01:41:34.000 And the other one is combatsportstraining.com.
01:41:37.000 Combat Strength Training.
01:41:38.000 Combat Strength Training.
01:41:39.000 Yep.
01:41:39.000 And then I got my IG is at tmaxinc.com.
01:41:44.000 Alright.
01:41:44.000 Beautiful.
01:41:45.000 It's fun.
01:41:45.000 And then my YouTube channel is just Pat Mac.
01:41:49.000 Pat Mac YouTube.
01:41:50.000 A lot of information.
01:41:51.000 Good times, my friend.
01:41:52.000 Thank you.
01:41:53.000 Rock and roll.
01:41:53.000 Thank you, Joe.
01:41:54.000 Thanks for coming on.
01:41:54.000 Hell yeah, man.
01:41:55.000 Thank you.
01:41:56.000 It's freaking awesome.