The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1271 - Billy Corben

00:00:01.000 Five, four, three, two...

00:00:09.000 Hello, Billy.

00:00:10.000 We're live.

00:00:11.000 Yo, Joe.

00:00:12.000 What's going on, buddy?

00:00:12.000 How you doing?

00:00:13.000 I watched a new documentary this morning in the gym.

00:00:16.000 Loved it. 0.99

00:00:16.000 It was fucking great. 0.99

00:00:17.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:00:18.000 I love your use of little kids.

00:00:20.000 I don't want to give away too much of it, but it's about the steroid scandal involving baseball and Alex Rodriguez.

00:00:28.000 But what was the choice to use little kids to play A-Rod and all the other key principles involved in the scandal?

00:00:36.000 Like, to use little actors.

00:00:39.000 What kids?

00:00:40.000 Oh, come on, fella. 0.99

00:00:40.000 You're just high, dude. 0.99

00:00:42.000 Oh.

00:00:43.000 I was pretty sober.

00:00:44.000 It's the jam, yeah.

00:00:46.000 So...

00:00:47.000 You now know the story because you've seen the doc.

00:00:49.000 And if people remember the Biogenesis steroid scandal, if not, the movie, I think, recaps it pretty well.

00:00:54.000 But the thing that struck me is that, like, all these guys acted like children.

00:01:00.000 They really did.

00:01:01.000 Yeah.

00:01:02.000 And to boot, so, you know, we've done some sports docs in the past.

00:01:06.000 We did, you know, some of the ESPN 30 for 30s, like the U. And when you do a sports doc, I mean...

00:01:13.000 I don't want to say it's easy, because making documentaries is a challenge, but sports docs are pretty paint-by-numbers.

00:01:20.000 It's like you interview some players, you interview some coaches, some journalists, they mention a bunch of games, and you show a bunch of game footage.

00:01:29.000 It's a pretty...

00:01:30.000 Straightforward process.

00:01:32.000 With this one, it's not about baseball. 0.99

00:01:34.000 It's baseball adjacent, I guess, but it's about shit that went down in nightclubs, in shady clinics with fake doctors, hotel rooms, bars, locker rooms. 0.97

00:01:45.000 So you've got a bunch of talking heads in your documentary, but then you've got nothing to cut to. 0.97

00:01:50.000 You've got no B-roll.

00:01:51.000 So I'm like, we're going to need to shoot recreations here, which is...

00:01:56.000 To me, I don't know. 0.98

00:01:58.000 It's like when you're doing non-fiction filmmaking, it's fake shit when you film recreation. 0.95

00:02:03.000 So it's like, I'm like, how do we do this in a creative way that's consistent with the tone of the movie, which was always called Screwball, meaning it was always like a farce, you know, like a Carl Hiaasen or Elmore Leonard, Coen Brothers-esque sort of Florida fuckery farce. 0.96

00:02:19.000 And so we just wanted to keep in that mode.

00:02:22.000 So I'm watching the characters.

00:02:24.000 So we got Tony Bosch.

00:02:26.000 Who is the fake doctor and Porter Fisher who is the whistleblower who stole the medical records and started this whole thing.

00:02:34.000 They were then stolen from him and then sold to not the highest bidder but any bidder and every bidder they were sold to and they're talking and I'm noticing That they had like a very similar storytelling style.

00:02:47.000 Like for example, a guy will be like...

00:02:49.000 So I walk into his office and I say, I want my money.

00:02:53.000 And he says, I don't have your money.

00:02:55.000 And I said, well, you better get my money.

00:02:57.000 And he said, what are you going to do about it?

00:02:58.000 And I said, I'm going to break your net. 1.00

00:02:59.000 And I'm like, oh shit. 0.99

00:03:01.000 They're so vivid and in the moment and talking dialogue. 0.99

00:03:06.000 So we could drunk history this, right?

00:03:08.000 We could...

00:03:09.000 We can edit together the doc and then have the actors lip syncing the actual interview dialogue and all the actors will be eight years old.

00:03:17.000 And I don't know, like, I've always wanted to do it.

00:03:21.000 Like, way back, Spike Jonze, 1997, Biggie video, Sky's the Limit.

00:03:25.000 Biggie had just been murdered.

00:03:27.000 He was faced with this challenge of producing a posthumous video.

00:03:33.000 And so Spike Jonze was like, okay, we'll just do a straight up Classic Bad Boy Records circa 97 music video.

00:03:43.000 Cars, Versace, wardrobe, girls, mansion, hot tub, but they'll all be eight years old.

00:03:51.000 You got Baby Biggie, Baby Puffy, Baby Busta Rhymes, Baby Lil' Kim. 1.00

00:03:56.000 Yeah, it's brilliant.

00:03:57.000 And so I was like, what a great...

00:03:58.000 That was always kicking around since 97. And then I saw this off-Broadway musical about 10-ish years ago called A Very Merry Honor...

00:04:07.000 Let me try that one more time.

00:04:09.000 A very merry, unauthorized children's Scientology pageant.

00:04:14.000 Don't ask me to say it again.

00:04:16.000 I can't say it again.

00:04:18.000 So it's this wild musical, like very Bowie-esque score written by a couple of Yalies. 1.00

00:04:25.000 It's a Christmas pageant performed by elementary school kids, but instead of the story of Jesus, it's the story of L. Ron Hubbard.

00:04:34.000 All in like a school play with like, you know, paper mache like sets and construction paper costumes and props.

00:04:42.000 And I wanted to, I got together with one of the composers.

00:04:46.000 I said, listen, I'd like to get the rights to your musical.

00:04:54.000 We're good to go.

00:05:10.000 You know, and it's like this children's musical, but we intercut it with real documentary investigation, interviews, and that maybe we'll kind of get away with it.

00:05:19.000 Nobody wanted to make that movie, dude.

00:05:22.000 I mean, nobody.

00:05:23.000 I mean, doors were closing before I even knocked out, like, got to them.

00:05:27.000 And I kind of filed, again, filed that idea away in the back of my head.

00:05:30.000 And then a couple years ago, there was that funny viral video of, like, it was like a Scarface School play.

00:05:38.000 I don't know if it was like a bunch of little kids doing star faces like an elementary school play.

00:05:43.000 And I was like, this is such a, it's such a great device.

00:05:47.000 And the problem is you need to find something that it works for.

00:05:49.000 Like cocaine cow babies would not have been appropriate. 0.97

00:05:52.000 For example, a bunch of eight-year-old kids running around.

00:05:54.000 It's not Bugsy Malone, you know?

00:05:56.000 So it just like, it just like how the stars align.

00:06:00.000 We just like, I was like, this is, this is going to work here, I think.

00:06:03.000 It works.

00:06:03.000 It works great.

00:06:04.000 It's such a Crazy story.

00:06:06.000 I don't want to give too much of it away because I really want people to watch it.

00:06:10.000 I've talked about Cocaine Cowboys probably a hundred times in this podcast.

00:06:14.000 It's one of my all-time favorite documentaries.

00:06:17.000 This is a story that almost writes itself.

00:06:21.000 It's so bonkers.

00:06:23.000 And the fact that it all could have been avoided if one guy just paid another guy or just didn't try to rip him off.

00:06:30.000 For like four grand.

00:06:32.000 Yeah, like nothing.

00:06:33.000 Doesn't make any sense. 1.00

00:06:33.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:06:35.000 And the guy, what a bizarro personality he was who would just tan every day and hang out at this doctor's office in the waiting room telling everybody how great it was. 0.99

00:06:48.000 Like, the whole thing is so strange.

00:06:51.000 Everybody remembers it as the A-Rod scandal.

00:06:55.000 The truth of the matter is that Alex Rodriguez was collateral damage in this whole thing.

00:07:00.000 It was not about him.

00:07:01.000 Don't tell Alex that.

00:07:02.000 But it's not about him.

00:07:03.000 It was really the career of the highest paid baseball player of all time.

00:07:11.000 Effectively ended over a $4,000 debt between this cocaine-addicted fake doctor and his fake tan-addicted steroid patient. 0.97

00:07:22.000 And it's like, that's why I said it's like a Florida fuckery story, straight up. 0.98

00:07:25.000 It's just like this classic, only in Miami, absurd farce. 0.98

00:07:29.000 Well, that's what you specialize in.

00:07:31.000 That's right. 1.00

00:07:31.000 You really do specialize in Florida fuckery. 1.00

00:07:34.000 I go to your Twitter feed all the time for current Florida fuckery. 1.00

00:07:38.000 It's just... 0.99

00:07:38.000 Yeah, it's distilled. 0.99

00:07:40.000 It's just like...

00:07:40.000 It's pure.

00:07:41.000 It's 100% pure. 1.00

00:07:42.000 Uncut Florida fuckery. 1.00

00:07:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:44.000 It's just...

00:07:44.000 And that's what this story is to me.

00:07:46.000 Because, like, Miami is just...

00:07:48.000 Well, I say the great thing about Miami is it's so close to the United States.

00:07:51.000 But, like, it's...

00:07:53.000 It's also like it's America's Casablanca.

00:07:56.000 Like, just people kind of flee to Miami from like all over the country and all over the world, usually leaving some kind of criminality in their wake.

00:08:06.000 And, you know, come here and kind of there and reinvent themselves, you know?

00:08:11.000 Like, it's just...

00:08:12.000 And then you have all of these...

00:08:25.000 I think?

00:08:33.000 Well, it's just so amazing that it's still a cocaine culture, too.

00:08:36.000 After all these years, it still has a giant cocaine engine pumping out all this chaos.

00:08:43.000 We don't have any indigenous industry.

00:08:45.000 I mean, there's no factory where everybody goes to work and then 30 years later gets a watch.

00:08:50.000 There's no business there.

00:08:52.000 Carl Hyson says, all we produce in Florida is oranges and machine guns.

00:08:56.000 We don't make anything.

00:08:58.000 We sell the dream.

00:08:59.000 We sell the sunshine.

00:09:00.000 It's lies that came true.

00:09:02.000 And even more frightening is the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow.

00:09:07.000 So it's like there's a lot of lessons to be gleaned from down there.

00:09:09.000 But it's basically at this point a real estate hustle and a money laundering capital.

00:09:14.000 So it's really no different than it ever was.

00:09:16.000 Everybody likes to tell me, oh, it's changed.

00:09:18.000 It's grown. 0.99

00:09:18.000 I'm like, just because you've built a bunch of shit doesn't mean we've grown. 0.99

00:09:22.000 And Miami is just like, Miami is one of the youngest cities in the country. 0.99

00:09:27.000 In your parlance, it would be about one person old or one One and a half people ago.

00:09:35.000 We're one of the youngest cities.

00:09:38.000 Barely 100. Just over 100. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I've said this before, but isn't there more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else?

00:09:46.000 Well, there certainly was before the Great Recession, when a lot of them started shutting down.

00:09:53.000 But most of them have rebounded.

00:09:54.000 One of the clever things some of the real estate developers did was they opened their own bank.

00:09:59.000 Literally their own bank.

00:10:01.000 They had a bank where the entire board of the bank were all real estate developers, and over 90% of the loans the bank made was insider loans, just to the board.

00:10:12.000 And then, of course, they went belly up in the Great Recession, and what happened?

00:10:14.000 We bailed them out. 1.00

00:10:16.000 So it was all their own shit. 1.00

00:10:18.000 So you bailed out real estate salesmen. 1.00

00:10:20.000 Real estate salesmen who loaned themselves...

00:10:24.000 We're good to go.

00:10:44.000 The FDIC had to open an office in Florida because we had more bank closures than any other state in the union. 0.90

00:10:51.000 Because we were like, you could go down there and you could buy a fucking mortgage for your dog at a drive-thru in Miami in the late 90s, early aughts.

00:11:00.000 And I remember interviewing a guy who were working on a project called Ponzi State about the state of Florida as a case study in the Great Recession years ago. 0.92

00:11:10.000 We never finished it, unfortunately.

00:11:11.000 But we're interviewing this guy.

00:11:13.000 And he says, you know, we were, and this is pre, like, Big Short.

00:11:18.000 Like, this is before anybody sort of knew a lot about this.

00:11:20.000 And he said, we were down here in Miami setting fires, and Wall Street was trying to read our smoke signals.

00:11:27.000 That's why I say, like, the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow. 0.96

00:11:33.000 Every time I go there, I always go, I forgot how fucking crazy this place is. 0.89

00:11:37.000 You really should have to have a passport. 0.87

00:11:41.000 But I love it.

00:11:42.000 I really do love it.

00:11:42.000 It's a crazy place to do stand-up.

00:11:44.000 I did this joke because I was doing a Netflix special, and I was doing it a couple months after I did this gig in Miami, and so I was using those yonder bags.

00:11:53.000 You know what those are where people have to put their cell phone into this magnetic Yeah.

00:12:18.000 They were just constantly moving around.

00:12:20.000 You presume it was to use their phone.

00:12:22.000 They might have been powdering their noses.

00:12:23.000 They might have been, but it was because I had done gigs before where they didn't have the yonder bags, and this wasn't the problem.

00:12:31.000 But in Miami, everybody needed to use their phones.

00:12:33.000 They just kept getting up and coming back, and it was just chaos.

00:12:36.000 Well, it's also a selfish town. 1.00

00:12:38.000 Like, it's basically a town of assholes. 1.00

00:12:40.000 I mean, really. 0.99

00:12:41.000 And so, like, I always say that, I mean, it reflects in everything that we do, in the way that we behave, certainly in the way that we drive.

00:12:49.000 Like, believe it or not, like, people are so much more chill and calm here in traffic in LA. I swear to God.

00:12:54.000 And LA was famous for, like, road rage.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:59.000 Created, invented road rage. 0.92

00:13:01.000 But, like, Miami is such a crazy, angry, weird place.

00:13:04.000 Because it's like, when push comes to shove, we're in Miami. 0.99

00:13:07.000 Chill the fuck out. 0.73

00:13:08.000 Like, it's all good. 0.96

00:13:08.000 It's a beautiful place. 0.96

00:13:10.000 And it's a shared experience.

00:13:12.000 The traffic sucks for all of us.

00:13:13.000 Just chill out.

00:13:14.000 And use your turn signal for crying out loud.

00:13:16.000 But that's why they call it...

00:13:19.000 My Emmy.

00:13:21.000 It's not our Emmy or your Emmy. 1.00

00:13:22.000 It's my fucking Emmy. 1.00

00:13:23.000 And stay out of my fucking Emmy. 1.00

00:13:25.000 It's just, I don't know. 1.00

00:13:26.000 But you seem to love it.

00:13:27.000 You seem to thrive.

00:13:29.000 Yeah, I can't really function anywhere else.

00:13:32.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:13:33.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:13:35.000 And it's so frustrating, too.

00:13:37.000 I'm a native Floridian and a lifelong Miami.

00:13:40.000 And for a while, I was pretty determined to leave behind a better Florida than the one I was born in.

00:13:48.000 Good luck.

00:13:50.000 Fail.

00:13:50.000 Big fail, dude.

00:13:53.000 That culture is so inexorably connected to cocaine.

00:13:57.000 One of my best friends, Steve Graham, was an ophthalmologist.

00:14:00.000 He did his residency in Miami.

00:14:02.000 So he did his residency in emergency rooms in Miami.

00:14:06.000 And he was there in the 80s.

00:14:08.000 During the height, basically during when Cocaine Cowboys takes place.

00:14:12.000 And he saw everything. 0.98

00:14:15.000 He had all these pictures of bullet holes and skull fragments and people with light bulbs stuffed up their asses. 0.99

00:14:23.000 He said every day was just fucking chaos. 0.99

00:14:27.000 So we call it the Miami idea. 0.98

00:14:28.000 Everywhere else the light bulb goes off over your head. 0.99

00:14:30.000 In Miami we shove it right up our asses. 1.00

00:14:33.000 He said they had to pull a light bulb out of a guy's ass. 1.00

00:14:35.000 One of those ones that look like a Christmas tree? 1.00

00:14:38.000 Those curly ones? 1.00

00:14:40.000 This guy stuck a lightbulb up his ass and it broke in his ass. 1.00

00:14:43.000 At least he was concerned about the environment. 1.00

00:14:45.000 That's like one of those environmentally sound...

00:14:46.000 I don't think it is.

00:14:47.000 There was no environmentally sound lightbulbs in the 80s.

00:14:50.000 They were just thicker glass. 1.00

00:14:51.000 It felt like he could get it in his ass better. 1.00

00:14:56.000 That was the era to cut your teeth. 0.99

00:14:58.000 If you were a cop or a lawyer or a journalist or an ER doctor, I remember talking to an ER doctor once.

00:15:04.000 He tells me a story.

00:15:05.000 1980, shortly after the Mariel Boatlift started, which I think everybody's kind of pop culture frame of reference for the Mariel Boatlift is Scarface.

00:15:13.000 Tony Montana was a Marielito.

00:15:15.000 That's the beginning of the movie when Castro is ranting and raving that he's flushing the toilets of Cuba onto the United States, specifically to Miami. 0.54

00:15:25.000 He was working at the trauma center at Jackson Memorial, our emergency room in Miami, and he said he got a Marielle refugee.

00:15:34.000 These guys would stand on the beach.

00:15:37.000 It looked like Havana in South Beach.

00:15:40.000 There's that coral seawall, and it had a really Havana vibe.

00:15:43.000 So they would chill mostly at these flop houses south of 5th Street in Miami Beach, where the cops would literally be leaving after a stabbing at one of these places.

00:15:54.000 And they'd be three blocks away.

00:15:55.000 They'd get a call to go back because now there was a shooting or something else.

00:15:58.000 They would be going there like all around the clock.

00:16:03.000 And they would just get in gunfights.

00:16:05.000 Like literally it would just be like someone would cheat at Domino's and they would just pull out a gun and one guy would shoot the other guy.

00:16:10.000 And so he has a Mariel refugee who comes in to the emergency room with a gunshot wound.

00:16:15.000 And he knew Spanish.

00:16:16.000 He was bilingual.

00:16:16.000 He said to the guy, he said, you're really lucky.

00:16:18.000 Because if this bullet had hit, you know, a few centimeters or whatever, this way, you would have died immediately.

00:16:26.000 You would have bled out right there on the scene.

00:16:27.000 Died instantly.

00:16:29.000 And guy splits.

00:16:31.000 A few days later, another Mariel refugee comes in with a gunshot wound in exactly the same spot where he had told the other guy that if he got hit there, he would have died.

00:16:41.000 Could never prove it, never was able to trace it back, but he was pretty well convinced that it was a revenge shooting.

00:16:48.000 For the other shooting, and the guy knew exactly where to shoot him and kill him because the doctor had told him where to do that.

00:16:55.000 But that was like every day in Miami.

00:16:56.000 The lady who cuts my hair, for Christ's sake, she said, Billy, I was so naive in those days.

00:17:02.000 I cut people's hair.

00:17:03.000 They come over, kiss her goodbye, and put a tip in her pocket.

00:17:07.000 And she'd go home, turn her pockets inside out, have our little crumbled bills and everything. 0.99

00:17:11.000 And one day she finds a little baggie of white powder.

00:17:14.000 That's something that one of her clients had slipped into her pocket as a tip.

00:17:18.000 And she said to her girlfriend, she says, what the hell is this? 0.99

00:17:20.000 And her friend said, oh shit, that's worth more than gold. 1.00

00:17:23.000 That's the best tip you got all day. 1.00

00:17:26.000 That little baggie.

00:17:27.000 That was just like the culture.

00:17:30.000 Imagine that anywhere else.

00:17:32.000 Imagine that in Nebraska.

00:17:35.000 Someone tipping you in cocaine.

00:17:37.000 People would be like, what? 1.00

00:17:40.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:17:43.000 Listen, it's just like, like I said, it's like America's Casablanca. 1.00

00:17:47.000 There's no place like it.

00:17:48.000 It's such a strange place.

00:17:49.000 It's so strange.

00:17:50.000 Everything is for sale.

00:17:52.000 Still.

00:17:53.000 And like I said, we are about a person old.

00:17:56.000 That's how far back Miami goes.

00:17:59.000 I was watching a video about the culture of renting supercars to people so they can pretend that it's their car.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:07.000 Huge in Miami. 0.98

00:18:08.000 We got all these Brickellista thousandaires driving their rented fucking Lambos and blowing the engines out on South Beach because they don't know how to drive them. 1.00

00:18:18.000 Just getting towed down the street. 0.98

00:18:22.000 Listen, it's a fake it till you make it kind of town.

00:18:24.000 And there's nothing really to make there.

00:18:26.000 You can't really, other than a real estate hustle, money laundering, drugs, politics, being a corrupt politician, there's really no other way to make it in Miami.

00:18:34.000 There's not a real industry.

00:18:36.000 No, not at all.

00:18:37.000 There's a lot of professional fighters come out of Miami, that whole area, Coconut Grove.

00:18:42.000 A lot of aggression, a lot of poverty.

00:18:44.000 It's a third-world economy down there.

00:18:48.000 The disparity between the haves and the have-nots, the income gap is widest and getting wider in Miami-Dade County than just about any city in the country or any metropolitan area in the country.

00:19:00.000 Wow.

00:19:00.000 And that's why I said that Miami of today is the America of tomorrow.

00:19:03.000 If you want to know what challenges we'll face as a nation or calamities will befall us in the years to come, you need only look at Miami.

00:19:12.000 T.D. Allman called it the canary in the coal mine, the bellwether.

00:19:15.000 And so, you know, when the election was playing out, the cycle in 2016, I was like, you know, all my friends are just like, this can't, this Trump thing can't happen.

00:19:23.000 I was like...

00:19:25.000 Hang on.

00:19:25.000 I was like...

00:19:26.000 Florida elected, and in fact re-elected, Rick Scott to be governor.

00:19:32.000 He is the biggest Medicare fraudster in the history of the United States.

00:19:35.000 Everybody knows it. 0.58

00:19:36.000 Everybody's aware of it.

00:19:38.000 It's very well publicized.

00:19:39.000 We re-elected him. 0.99

00:19:41.000 We elected him twice as the top fucking executive in our state. 0.99

00:19:46.000 What makes you think that the United States of America wouldn't do that? 0.99

00:19:51.000 And I know it's fair to say...

00:19:53.000 If you're going to be the governor of a state, you should know a little something about the largest industry in the state.

00:19:59.000 Like, if you're going to be the governor of Michigan, you should have some familiarity with the automobile industry and manufacturing.

00:20:05.000 In Florida, if you're going to be the governor, arguably you should know something about our biggest industry.

00:20:11.000 I mean, you could argue that he's the most qualified man for the job.

00:20:15.000 Oh yeah, we got like...

00:20:16.000 Medicare fraud is one of the largest industries, has been for decades.

00:20:20.000 I mean, we have billions and billions of dollars in fraud that just comes out.

00:20:24.000 How do they run it?

00:20:24.000 So they run it.

00:20:25.000 So you'll go into like Little Havana or Hialeah, for example, in a municipality in Miami-Dade, and there'll be a little abuelita sitting behind a desk, half asleep.

00:20:37.000 And she'll be surrounded in this tiny little one-room office by little mailboxes.

00:20:42.000 You know, like P.O. boxes.

00:20:43.000 And a mailman comes in every day and just puts checks in the boxes.

00:20:50.000 And they're like...

00:20:52.000 In some cases, they've stolen...

00:21:07.000 I think Miami for a while, we had more Medicare payments for HIV and AIDS medication than every other part of the country combined.

00:21:20.000 And it's all just old people. 1.00

00:21:22.000 So it's like, you would have to assume that 100% of our elderly population suffered from HIV, had HIV, were HIV positive. 0.99

00:21:29.000 I mean, it's fucking impossible. 0.99

00:21:30.000 You had female patients getting penis pumps that were paid for by Medicare. 1.00

00:21:33.000 I didn't even know that Medicare covered that. 0.94

00:21:35.000 I gotta look into that.

00:21:37.000 But...

00:21:38.000 I didn't know that was a thing.

00:21:39.000 Thanks, Obama.

00:21:40.000 Did you watch the OxyContin Express?

00:21:42.000 I haven't seen it, no.

00:21:44.000 That's all about how they would have the pain management centers, and they were connected to the pharmacies.

00:21:48.000 You'd go to the doctor, hey, my back hurts.

00:21:50.000 You'd go, well, you need this.

00:21:52.000 Go right next door.

00:21:54.000 All they would prescribe was Oxy's.

00:21:56.000 Sometimes it wasn't even next door.

00:21:58.000 Sometimes it was like, go to that window.

00:21:59.000 Yeah, right next door.

00:22:00.000 They say, show the doctor your x-ray.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:04.000 You'd have to get your x-ray done somewhere else because they weren't doing it.

00:22:06.000 So you'd hand the doctor your x-ray. 1.00

00:22:08.000 He'd look at it and go, oh shit. 0.99

00:22:09.000 It was upside down. 1.00

00:22:10.000 He wouldn't even care. 1.00

00:22:10.000 He'd be like, oh yeah, oh shit. 1.00

00:22:12.000 You know what you need? 1.00

00:22:14.000 Go to that window over there and fill this prescription.

00:22:17.000 And we had more pill mills, they called them, in Broward County, which is the county just north of Miami-Dade, than we had McDonald's locations.

00:22:26.000 And there was literally, like, the Appalachian Trail.

00:22:29.000 They were coming down, they were stocking up on Oxy, and we were fueling a death epidemic, like, in Kentucky.

00:22:38.000 They were pulling over... 0.99

00:22:40.000 More cars with Florida plates than in-state plates up there because Floridians were like, well, shit, we can't let them have all the action. 1.00

00:22:47.000 We'll drive up and we'll export the shit. 0.99

00:22:49.000 And at the peak of the pill mill epidemic, the Oxy epidemic in Florida, seven people a day were dying, men, women, and children. 1.00

00:22:56.000 And we subsist from hustle to hustle. 1.00

00:22:59.000 You wonder, why didn't the government crack down on that shit? 1.00

00:23:01.000 Why didn't they regulate it? 1.00

00:23:02.000 Well, first...

00:23:11.000 How did he get away with it?

00:23:17.000 Magic.

00:23:18.000 MAGA magic, I guess.

00:23:20.000 I mean, he...

00:23:21.000 Listen, he...

00:23:22.000 He got...

00:23:23.000 He pled the Fifth Amendment like 75 times in a videotaped deposition.

00:23:28.000 That was used in a campaign ad against him.

00:23:30.000 And Florida was like, we're good!

00:23:32.000 We're good with that!

00:23:34.000 And he just...

00:23:35.000 Listen, white rich men kind of walk between the raindrops in this country, you know?

00:23:39.000 It's just a...

00:23:40.000 Well, sort of.

00:23:40.000 They got Kraft for getting a handjob.

00:23:42.000 That was Florida, too. 1.00

00:23:43.000 So stupid. 1.00

00:23:45.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:23:46.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:23:46.000 Well, we were talking about, like, how does he not have a guy who can get him jerked off? 1.00

00:23:51.000 Like, there's probably a lot of gals out there that would like to make some money. 1.00

00:23:54.000 You don't have to go to a massage parlor.

00:23:56.000 The biggest bummer of it is, is now my massage parlor's closed down.

00:23:59.000 That's the problem.

00:24:00.000 Where do I go now, is the problem.

00:24:02.000 Where do broke guys go?

00:24:03.000 Yeah.

00:24:04.000 Well, the fact that they were filming you, too.

00:24:07.000 The whole thing is so strange.

00:24:09.000 And if there was human trafficking going on there, what were cops chilling there for like six months in some ongoing investigation?

00:24:16.000 Like, can you save these poor victims?

00:24:18.000 But human trafficking has become like this keyword.

00:24:21.000 It's like this new sort of like fear-mongering kind of a term to get everybody all up in arms.

00:24:27.000 And now they're kind of backtracking on that.

00:24:28.000 They're like, well, maybe...

00:24:30.000 It wasn't exactly human trafficking.

00:24:32.000 Maybe it was just more of a prostitution operation. 1.00

00:24:34.000 That was the whole reason why he was a horrible person, because he was contributing to these people that were essentially being sold for sex slavery.

00:24:40.000 Turns out that might have been a bit overblown. 0.74

00:24:42.000 No pun intended.

00:24:42.000 Of course, that's kind of how they have to sell it, right?

00:24:46.000 Otherwise, people are like, why are you wasting all this money on handjobs?

00:24:50.000 No one cares.

00:24:50.000 You know why?

00:24:51.000 Because solving real crime is hard.

00:24:53.000 And dangerous.

00:24:54.000 And dangerous.

00:24:55.000 Okay?

00:24:56.000 So you can go and pick somebody up for marijuana or getting a handjob, whatever, and you can look like you're being proactive.

00:25:03.000 Yeah.

00:25:03.000 But solving a murder?

00:25:05.000 That's hard, man.

00:25:06.000 That's hard work.

00:25:07.000 Hard, dangerous, and, you know, if you go to a weird little Asian massage place and guys are coming out smiling like, hmm, You can start there. 1.00

00:25:18.000 Talk about low-hanging fruit.

00:25:19.000 No offense to Kraft.

00:25:21.000 It's probably this older fella. 0.98

00:25:25.000 There was a weird law in Hawaii where they were letting cops actually have sex with prostitutes. 0.99

00:25:30.000 To prove that they were prostitutes? 0.99

00:25:33.000 I think nearly half the states in the union have a law that allow police officers to have sex with people in custody. 0.93

00:25:41.000 What?

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:43.000 Really? 1.00

00:25:44.000 How do you make this shit up? 1.00

00:25:46.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

00:25:47.000 Well, it was consensual.

00:25:48.000 I was like, consensual? 1.00

00:25:49.000 They're in fucking handcuffs. 1.00

00:25:50.000 What do you mean it's consensual? 1.00

00:25:51.000 That's human trafficking, if you ask me. 1.00

00:25:54.000 Yeah, and obviously, they're going to try to make deals. 1.00

00:25:57.000 Hey, I'll suck your dick if you get me out of here. 1.00

00:25:59.000 Of course. 1.00

00:26:00.000 How is that consensual?

00:26:02.000 How's that legal?

00:26:02.000 It's crazy.

00:26:03.000 It's crazy.

00:26:03.000 It's the ultimate...

00:26:05.000 I mean, you talk about people holding power over people.

00:26:08.000 That's the ultimate.

00:26:08.000 It's kidnapping.

00:26:08.000 Coerced consent.

00:26:09.000 Absolutely.

00:26:10.000 Yeah.

00:26:10.000 I mean, that is more than an employer doing that to an employee.

00:26:15.000 I mean, you're literally dangling their freedom.

00:26:17.000 Talk about an abuse of power. 0.90

00:26:18.000 Seriously.

00:26:19.000 I just...

00:26:20.000 Look, I have all daughters.

00:26:22.000 I'm not... 0.98

00:26:23.000 I don't want anybody's daughter to be a prostitute. 1.00

00:26:25.000 But I'm also 100% in favor of people being able to do whatever the fuck they want. 0.99

00:26:32.000 And if someone's in a weird stage in their life where they'd rather jerk guys off than work at Denny's, who's anybody to stop them from doing that? 0.98

00:26:39.000 The only problem is the social stigma that's attached to it.

00:26:42.000 The actual act itself is beneficial.

00:26:45.000 The person gets something out of it.

00:26:49.000 Some people have a really hard time getting someone to have sex with them.

00:26:54.000 I don't see it that...

00:26:55.000 It's just a crazy thing that we regulate something that...

00:26:58.000 I mean, George Carlin had a great bit about it.

00:27:00.000 It's the only thing where it's illegal...

00:27:04.000 To make someone pay for it, but it's fine if it's free.

00:27:07.000 It literally doesn't make sense.

00:27:09.000 There's nothing wrong with sex, but there's something wrong with people paying for it.

00:27:13.000 And it's fine if you pay for it and then videotape it for distribution, because then that's porn.

00:27:18.000 I don't really...

00:27:20.000 First of all, it's a contract between two consenting adults.

00:27:24.000 If we're talking about...

00:27:29.000 Yes.

00:27:32.000 Yes.

00:27:44.000 The seediness, it's what brings the danger.

00:27:47.000 Because it's forced underground, you introduce all of these elements that don't have to be there.

00:27:53.000 They could take place in clean environments.

00:27:56.000 Instead of in the black market and underground, it could take place where you can protect all the participants involved.

00:28:04.000 But it's been true of...

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:26.000 What if you just let me smoke this?

00:28:28.000 What if you just let me drink this because I'm an adult making a responsible decision for myself?

00:28:33.000 What if you just let me engage in sexual activity with this person who is perfectly willing to do it in exchange for some remuneration? 0.99

00:28:40.000 Why should anybody give a shit about that? 1.00

00:28:47.000 Proven bad idea. 0.99

00:28:49.000 I mean, it's been proven for decade upon decade.

00:28:53.000 You go all the way back to the alcohol prohibition, to what's going on right now with the cartels.

00:28:58.000 I mean, how much would it fix if they made all drugs legal?

00:29:03.000 How much would it fix?

00:29:05.000 I mean, we'd have a real problem in the beginning with access, where there would be so much more access, you'd probably You know, you would lose people.

00:29:15.000 People would die in high-profile overdose cases.

00:29:18.000 I don't think so.

00:29:18.000 And then people would try to make a deal out of it.

00:29:20.000 You don't think that if cocaine was legal everywhere or meth?

00:29:24.000 People can get the drugs.

00:29:26.000 Right, but it's not that easy for a person.

00:29:29.000 Like, if you don't know anybody who's a criminal, like, say if you want to buy meth now.

00:29:33.000 I don't know where to buy meth.

00:29:35.000 I know a few Walmarts in Florida.

00:29:36.000 They make it in the bathroom.

00:29:37.000 I bet you do.

00:29:39.000 But that, again, that is Florida.

00:29:41.000 It's a different animal.

00:29:43.000 But like right now in America, I mean, I maybe could drum up some meth in a few days if I started asking.

00:29:49.000 But, you know, I would not have any idea who's an informant and who's going to rat me out.

00:29:54.000 But I think the stats show in states where marijuana has become legal, you don't see significant spikes in usage.

00:30:01.000 It's minimal.

00:30:02.000 Apparently there's some significant spikes in usage, but the problem is it correlates to a significant spike in population of the state.

00:30:10.000 A lot of people moved to Colorado just because of marijuana.

00:30:13.000 They moved to become a part of the business and because they just wanted to be free.

00:30:17.000 And then California...

00:30:19.000 We've had medical weed forever, and now we have legal, legal weed, and I don't think it's changed much here, but you do have...

00:30:26.000 There's some issues.

00:30:28.000 There's definitely...

00:30:29.000 I mean, I don't think it's beneficial in any way to sugarcoat the fact that having legal drugs makes people have more access to those drugs means maybe there's going to be a few people, whatever the number is, who do those drugs who wouldn't have had access to them without it.

00:30:43.000 I agree, but I think it's de minimis.

00:30:47.000 I think it's like...

00:30:48.000 And the number of Who's going to turn around and go, like, you know what I want to try that's legal now?

00:30:52.000 Meth.

00:30:53.000 My dentist doesn't recommend it, but I feel like I want... 0.99

00:30:56.000 Who the fuck's going to do that, really? 0.99

00:30:57.000 You say that, but how many fucking people are on Adderall? 0.99

00:31:01.000 And the only difference is the doctor is prescribing it to you. 1.00

00:31:05.000 That's really good shit. 1.00

00:31:06.000 That's why the president bumps it. 1.00

00:31:07.000 Yeah, that's what I hear.

00:31:08.000 Just saying.

00:31:08.000 Do you think he does?

00:31:09.000 He's always sniffing and he always...

00:31:11.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:31:11.000 I don't think he's on cocaine.

00:31:13.000 No.

00:31:13.000 And I always describe to people who don't know what this is like.

00:31:17.000 People on cocaine start one sentence and then finish another.

00:31:22.000 Right.

00:31:22.000 That's what it's like talking to someone on cocaine or the president.

00:31:25.000 They just...

00:31:26.000 But I don't think he's on...

00:31:27.000 But he's always...

00:31:27.000 You always hear him with the...

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 I think he's like bumping Addie.

00:31:31.000 I don't know what else to...

00:31:31.000 I don't think he's bumping it, but I think he's definitely...

00:31:34.000 Well, he might be.

00:31:35.000 Why am I thinking he's not?

00:31:36.000 I mean, he's a wild man.

00:31:38.000 But he's definitely got accusations from his past about use of amphetamines.

00:31:44.000 There was a journalist that actually detailed the very Duane Reade pharmacy where he used to get this prescription diet medication there. 0.98

00:31:54.000 Air quotes, diet medication, which is fucking speed. 0.96

00:31:57.000 And look, the guy has an exorbitant amount of energy. 1.00

00:32:01.000 I mean, it's quite impressive for a man in his 70s who eats shit and doesn't exercise. 0.99

00:32:08.000 And he's always ready to go. 0.99

00:32:09.000 I mean, when he was campaigning, he didn't seem to ever get tired.

00:32:12.000 He would go and do these campaign events, and he would always be talking, and he'd be full of enthusiasm.

00:32:17.000 We're going to make America great again.

00:32:18.000 We're going to build that wall higher. 1.00

00:32:20.000 We're going to tell those Chinese, listen, motherfucker. 1.00

00:32:22.000 Like, he was... 1.00

00:32:23.000 I mean, it's an incredible amount of energy.

00:32:26.000 God bless him.

00:32:27.000 He's 70-some-odd years old.

00:32:28.000 It's amazing that you don't have to drug test him.

00:32:31.000 It's amazing.

00:32:32.000 But baseball players.

00:32:33.000 But baseball players.

00:32:35.000 Yes, exactly.

00:32:35.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:32:36.000 They're the guys we need to...

00:32:37.000 And what is Adderall if not a performance-enhancing drug?

00:32:42.000 100%.

00:32:42.000 Talk to journalists.

00:32:43.000 How many journalists will be totally honest about it? 0.98

00:32:47.000 They are fucking hooked on Adderall, and they are very productive with it. 0.99

00:32:50.000 Very productive. 0.99

00:32:51.000 I tried it once.

00:32:53.000 It's wild.

00:32:54.000 Somebody gave me some.

00:32:55.000 I didn't try it.

00:32:56.000 I just sat there and looked at it.

00:32:57.000 I go, I don't need that in my life.

00:32:58.000 I've been scared of coke.

00:32:59.000 I've never done coke.

00:33:00.000 I've never done Adderall. 1.00

00:33:01.000 I don't fuck with speed because I can't shut the fuck up already. 0.99

00:33:03.000 I'm like, that is not for me. 1.00

00:33:05.000 I need something that calms me down and makes me feel weird.

00:33:08.000 I feel like I'd be that guy who does it the first time and my heart explodes out of my chest.

00:33:12.000 You'd be scraping me off the roof with a shovel if I did.

00:33:15.000 Right, because you're so high energy.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, I was like, Jesus, I can't do that.

00:33:18.000 I'm worried that I would love it.

00:33:20.000 That's what I'm worried.

00:33:21.000 It's a good concern.

00:33:21.000 I'm worried I would love it and I'd be like, okay, from here on out, it's all about me.

00:33:28.000 Which marijuana does the opposite to me.

00:33:30.000 Marijuana is like, we can all be cool together.

00:33:33.000 I finally tried pot.

00:33:35.000 Yeah?

00:33:35.000 I finally tried it.

00:33:36.000 What happened?

00:33:37.000 I never tried it before, but I was actually...

00:33:41.000 Years ago, I was in Colorado, 420, backstage at a Snoop concert.

00:33:46.000 Oh, jeez, you have to try it.

00:33:48.000 I didn't have to, because I was second-hand stoned, dude.

00:33:50.000 Oh, so that's how you tried it.

00:33:52.000 It's like when I go to church with Coco, I mean, you're just hotboxed, you know?

00:33:58.000 Right, right, right.

00:33:59.000 Church with Coco, for people to understand what we're saying, Church of What's Happening Now podcast with Joey Diaz.

00:34:05.000 That's right.

00:34:05.000 You're abbreviating.

00:34:06.000 Right.

00:34:06.000 I didn't mean that I actually went to a Santeria church and sacrificed a chicken.

00:34:10.000 Although, we have done that in Miami.

00:34:12.000 When he's down in Miami, all bets are off when Joey's down. 0.94

00:34:14.000 But I'm in the middle of a story on his podcast, and I fucking forgot the end of the story. 0.71

00:34:22.000 I told it, and I ended it. 0.54

00:34:24.000 And then only the next day did I go, I never told him the end of that story. 0.98

00:34:29.000 I fucking forgot it. 0.74

00:34:30.000 So someone says, Snoop wants to meet you. 0.99

00:34:33.000 He's in his dressing room.

00:34:35.000 Backstage at this concert. 0.99

00:34:36.000 So I go, fuck yeah, I'm gonna go meet Snoop. 0.99

00:34:38.000 Are you kidding? 0.99

00:34:39.000 So I opened the door to this backstage area.

00:34:43.000 Dude, I can't see my hand in front of me.

00:34:46.000 I can't see my hand in front.

00:34:47.000 It is foggy. 0.99

00:34:49.000 I was like, windshield wipers in my fucking glass. 1.00

00:34:53.000 I can't see shit. 1.00

00:34:54.000 And I'm wandering down. 0.99

00:34:55.000 And I got maybe halfway down the hall.

00:34:58.000 And I was like, I can't.

00:34:59.000 I can't.

00:34:59.000 I can't, I can't.

00:35:00.000 I turned around and I pulled it out the door.

00:35:02.000 I was like, ah, ah, you know, just panting on my hands and knees.

00:35:05.000 I was like, I can't do it.

00:35:06.000 So I couldn't go back to the next year, like two years later, I'm back in Colorado because everybody was making fun of me.

00:35:12.000 So they're like, you went to Colorado and didn't smoke?

00:35:15.000 They're like, that's like going to Italy and not eating pasta.

00:35:17.000 You know, I was like, okay, next time, next time.

00:35:19.000 So I go out and I try it.

00:35:21.000 And I was like, All I kept saying was, I wish I was drunk.

00:35:27.000 I wish I was drunk.

00:35:29.000 I wish I was drunk.

00:35:30.000 I just, I don't know.

00:35:31.000 It was like a bad, I just, it was so antisocial.

00:35:34.000 I felt so weird.

00:35:34.000 I felt so sort of introverted.

00:35:36.000 And I was unfortunately in like a, they had this pot smoking church.

00:35:40.000 In Denver.

00:35:41.000 Whoa.

00:35:41.000 Yeah.

00:35:42.000 It's like you go and you can just smoke pot and it's literally in this old church.

00:35:46.000 They got beautiful paintings on the wall.

00:35:47.000 It's crazy.

00:35:48.000 It's trippy.

00:35:49.000 And so I was there and I tried it and I was like...

00:35:52.000 How much did you smoke?

00:35:53.000 Not a lot.

00:35:54.000 Two hits?

00:35:55.000 Two, three.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, that's too much.

00:35:56.000 Is that too much?

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 For a lightweight?

00:35:58.000 If I was your friend, and I am your friend, but if I was right next to you at the time, I'd say, a little baby hit, Billy.

00:36:04.000 Just a little baby hit.

00:36:05.000 Don't get crazy.

00:36:06.000 Just like this.

00:36:07.000 That's all I want.

00:36:08.000 Just...

00:36:09.000 And then let's just relax.

00:36:10.000 Don't get crazy.

00:36:11.000 Don't take it when it comes back around again. 0.95

00:36:12.000 It's too goddamn strong today. 0.62

00:36:15.000 It's not what it used to be. 0.94

00:36:17.000 I was very recently in Austin, Texas.

00:36:20.000 And Texas still has regular weed.

00:36:22.000 It's very good weed, but it's regular weed.

00:36:25.000 You can smoke it and you're like, I'm here.

00:36:27.000 Everything's fine.

00:36:28.000 California no longer. 1.00

00:36:30.000 These motherfuckers right here, these little backwoods. 1.00

00:36:32.000 Jesus, that is not regular weed. 1.00

00:36:35.000 That's got a glass tip, and that will put you on the fucking moon. 0.99

00:36:38.000 Brian Callen had one hit of it last week. 0.99

00:36:40.000 He couldn't drive himself home.

00:36:41.000 Hours later, hours later, he was still here, hanging out.

00:36:46.000 He's still here now.

00:36:48.000 I'm awake!

00:36:49.000 I'm awake!

00:36:50.000 He had to get my friend Brendan to come and get him.

00:36:54.000 He couldn't drive.

00:36:56.000 It's awesome. 0.99

00:36:56.000 It's fucking strong, man. 0.99

00:36:58.000 But there's also different shit. 1.00

00:36:59.000 So next time I did it, I did something. 0.99

00:37:01.000 Someone said, you know what?

00:37:02.000 Maybe you should try something else.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, sativa versus indigo.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, I tried it. 1.00

00:37:06.000 Second time, laughed my ass. 1.00

00:37:07.000 I was with funny friends, and I had a fucking blast. 0.99

00:37:11.000 So I don't know what I did or shouldn't have done or should do or shouldn't do, but I had a lot of fun. 0.93

00:37:16.000 Yeah, sativa is more, you're thinking more, you have a little bit more energy.

00:37:22.000 Indica crushes you. 1.00

00:37:24.000 You're just like, oh my god, I gotta go somewhere and lie down.

00:37:27.000 I can't handle this.

00:37:30.000 But it's different for different people as well.

00:37:32.000 But I'll tell you, that Chick-fil-A tasted damn good that night.

00:37:35.000 Oh, it tastes way better, right? 0.65

00:37:36.000 Hate tastes great.

00:37:37.000 I gotta tell you, hate tastes great.

00:37:39.000 It's more ignorance than hate, but I see what you're saying.

00:37:42.000 Thank you.

00:37:43.000 I had to explain to my kids why it's closed on Sunday.

00:37:46.000 We're driving by.

00:37:47.000 How come no one's there?

00:37:48.000 I go, because it's the baby Jesus' day.

00:37:51.000 Okay, if you really want to celebrate the baby Jesus, though, let's hear me out. 0.84

00:37:56.000 I watch a lot of TBN because I'm a lunatic.

00:37:59.000 And I always wondered, if the Jews were on television all the time, if we were on television going like, send us money! 0.50

00:38:06.000 What would they say about us?

00:38:07.000 But for some reason, I don't know why, Jesus needs a lot of money.

00:38:11.000 Because we're always on TV now.

00:38:13.000 Telling you to send your money to Jesus, right?

00:38:15.000 So, I'm thinking, if you really want to do something for Jesus, Chick-fil-A, open on Sunday, And donate all of your revenue to Jesus, to churches.

00:38:26.000 Think of the money just the after church crowd alone.

00:38:29.000 Everybody would flock, no pun intended, right to the Chick-fil-A and stock up and they'd have all their money.

00:38:35.000 They can even have people volunteer to work those days and donate all your money to Jesus because he apparently needs, I don't know what he needs with it, but he needs a lot of money.

00:38:45.000 Well, I don't know if the Chick-fil-A guys, the people who own it, are of the same ilk as the Trinity Broadcast Network folks, because those TBN folks, I don't think you're being mean by saying they're shysters.

00:38:59.000 No, straight up.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, they're just stealing money from people. 0.90

00:39:03.000 I think that Chick-fil-A guy is a legitimately religious person who really truly believes that he's saving the world from gay folk marrying each other. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Yeah, it's not...

00:39:13.000 Maga, bro.

00:39:13.000 Maga.

00:39:14.000 Maga, bro. 0.99

00:39:15.000 It's not logical, but they make a goddamn good chicken sandwich. 0.99

00:39:19.000 They make a goddamn good... 0.99

00:39:20.000 It's quite tasty, man. 1.00

00:39:22.000 I'm telling you.

00:39:22.000 Again, I think it's more ignorance than hate, but I feel you.

00:39:25.000 It doesn't rhyme.

00:39:25.000 It just doesn't...

00:39:26.000 Ignorance tastes great.

00:39:27.000 It doesn't rhyme, but like...

00:39:29.000 I don't know. 0.88

00:39:30.000 And they have this lunatic on. 0.84

00:39:31.000 He's on all the time. 0.77

00:39:32.000 They're paid half-hour shows, but this Peter Popoff guy...

00:39:37.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:39:38.000 With the fucking Miracle Springwater, the prosperity preachers. 1.00

00:39:43.000 Talk about a fucking bill of goods, man. 1.00

00:39:45.000 Sad. 1.00

00:39:46.000 You know, that guy Creflo Dollar, his name is fucking Creflo. 0.99

00:39:50.000 I'm guessing that's not his Christian name, but it's his evangelical name is Creflo Dollar. 0.99

00:39:54.000 I think he made that name up, right?

00:39:56.000 I would hope so.

00:39:57.000 That was the dude, you tweeted about him years ago, that was the dude who was out in the world getting donations because he needed to update Or upgrade his G4 to a G6. And I was like, G6 Christ.

00:40:11.000 This fucking, this guy. 0.99

00:40:13.000 It was going to say, I need to donate because I need to spread the gospel. 0.99

00:40:16.000 And so you need to give me money so that because my G4 just ain't cutting it anymore, I need to upgrade.

00:40:22.000 I wish he had gotten a 737 MAX 8, but that's just me.

00:40:26.000 It's just so amazing that that hustle still works.

00:40:29.000 The prosperity ones are so gross because they go after people that are so poor and destitute that they can't pay their bills, and they tell them, if you just send me money, God will pay you back tenfold.

00:40:40.000 And I know what you're saying.

00:40:41.000 You don't have any money, but you do.

00:40:43.000 You do.

00:40:44.000 You take that money.

00:40:45.000 You send it to Jesus, and Jesus will bring prosperity in your life.

00:40:49.000 And then they have all these folks that are giving testimonials about how I was down on my luck.

00:40:54.000 I didn't have money for rent.

00:40:55.000 I didn't have money for food.

00:40:57.000 But I knew that Jesus needed this money.

00:40:59.000 So I sent Jesus the money, and Jesus paid me back tenfold.

00:41:02.000 And now my life is filled with joy and prosperity.

00:41:06.000 Am I being hateful when I say that that is...

00:41:10.000 What religion preys on? 0.96

00:41:11.000 The weak, the poor, the people searching for answers?

00:41:16.000 Yeah, but I think for some people, there's like, I mean, this is older, wiser me, right?

00:41:21.000 When I was younger, I would agree with you 100%.

00:41:22.000 But I think at this point, I think there's some benefit to like having...

00:41:29.000 Community, and having this environment where everybody goes to be humbled, and everybody goes to agree that they're going to be good people that follow the ethics of Jesus, and you put a little money in the dish, and they have to keep the operation running.

00:41:44.000 I think there's a lot of churches that do a lot of good. 0.99

00:41:46.000 But I think for every one or two that do a lot of good, there's these motherfuckers that are just stealing money and driving Rolls Royces and living in giant fucking castles. 1.00

00:41:59.000 That Joel, whatever his name is, what's that guy's name? 1.00

00:42:02.000 Osteen in Houston. 1.00

00:42:03.000 That motherfucker, he owns a huge arena. 1.00

00:42:07.000 They do this show in the arena and he caught a rash of shit when he didn't let all the hurricane victims stay in his place. 1.00

00:42:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:14.000 He was holed up in his $10 million mansion at the time.

00:42:18.000 I'd be amazed it was only $10 million.

00:42:19.000 Well, it's not his only property.

00:42:21.000 I mean, he has several houses.

00:42:23.000 It's just so distorted.

00:42:25.000 The whole idea of it all is so distorted.

00:42:27.000 But I think there's a lot of community churches that do a lot of good, where they provide people with comfort.

00:42:34.000 You know, it doesn't necessarily have to make any sense.

00:42:37.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:42:39.000 But it provides them with comfort.

00:42:41.000 I appreciate, like, I respect people of faith.

00:42:43.000 I think it must feel wonderful.

00:42:45.000 I don't know how it feels, but it must be wonderful to believe in something like that so devoutly, without any evidence, without any indication or proof whatsoever that what you so firmly believe in is true.

00:42:58.000 But it's the hypocrisy of it that I just can't abide by.

00:43:02.000 Right, like these prosperity guys.

00:43:04.000 Like the prosperity guys.

00:43:05.000 Like people who used to have...

00:43:09.000 Or claim to have some kind of holier-than-thou moral code that now think the pimp president's cool. 0.99

00:43:16.000 It's like, I get it, but your whole thing was that Bill Clinton was the biggest scumbag in the world, and he needed to be impeached and castrated. 0.99

00:43:24.000 But let's have some consistency. 1.00

00:43:26.000 It's hypocrisy that I can't abide by.

00:43:28.000 Let's have some consistency is all.

00:43:30.000 Well, particularly with Trump, because Trump was, and this is not a knock on him, but he was a lifelong Democrat.

00:43:37.000 I mean, he only really became a Republican when he thought about running for president.

00:43:41.000 Yeah, and he was an independent for a minute, then he was a Democrat again, then he was a Republican.

00:43:45.000 It's a pure hustle.

00:43:46.000 I mean, the glass has been cleaned and squeegeed, and you could see right through it.

00:43:51.000 That's why it works on the evangelicals.

00:43:52.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:43:53.000 That's their whole... 0.56

00:43:54.000 He's like the pimp Joel Osteen.

00:43:57.000 He's like...

00:43:58.000 That's what it is.

00:43:59.000 Well...

00:44:00.000 He found his hustle.

00:44:01.000 Yeah, and I don't want to be mean about this, but I think it's accurate.

00:44:05.000 There's a level of intellect that just subscribes to that kind of stuff that...

00:44:12.000 Like, I had a friend, she was in the Mormon church for a long time, and she left the church, but she was really honest about it. 0.98

00:44:20.000 She said, I have a problem that I'm susceptible to bullshit. 0.98

00:44:24.000 Because she grew up a fundamentalist. 0.99

00:44:27.000 And so she's susceptible to, you know, to, like, yoga-type people, like, oh, the crystals and the lights.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 Feel the light. 1.00

00:44:36.000 She's susceptible to all that shit. 1.00

00:44:38.000 And she would recognize her susceptibility, but she was being really honest about it. 1.00

00:44:43.000 She's like, I have a real problem.

00:44:45.000 I grew up believing something that doesn't make any sense, and I believed it wholeheartedly.

00:44:49.000 And she goes, and that sort of formulated a big part of how I ascertain what is accurate in the world.

00:44:56.000 So she's left with these, like... 0.92

00:45:00.000 Childlike skills of being able to discern what's bullshit and what's a hustle. 0.99

00:45:06.000 She's like a little kid. 0.96

00:45:08.000 I have a great amount of respect for people who grow up in a cult and who can make their way out of it.

00:45:14.000 I mean, can you imagine when you're a child and you're most impressionable and you're steeped in that?

00:45:20.000 That's all you know.

00:45:21.000 Like, you don't know that there's an alternate perspective and you're able to grow up and say, oh, wait.

00:45:29.000 There's a whole big world out there.

00:45:31.000 Maybe I'm not being told the truth.

00:45:33.000 That's incredibly powerful.

00:45:34.000 It's really hard, I think, to break with the only thinking that you've ever known in your life.

00:45:40.000 I think it's amazing. 0.95

00:45:41.000 It's probably one of the hardest things that a grown adult has to do is to recognize that the paradigm, this framework they've been living their life under is utter horseshit. 1.00

00:45:51.000 I mean, the Mormon one is so crazy, too. 1.00

00:45:55.000 It's like... 0.99

00:45:56.000 The results are great.

00:45:58.000 The people are so nice.

00:45:59.000 They're the nicest cult members of all time.

00:46:02.000 But then you go back and look at the actual framework of the religion itself.

00:46:07.000 You're like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:46:07.000 He was 14?

00:46:09.000 You're like, hold on.

00:46:10.000 Joseph Smith was 14 in 1820 when he found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus and only he could read them because he had a magic rock?

00:46:20.000 But, like, that's Judaism and Catholicism. 0.99

00:46:23.000 They're all crazy mythological horseshit. 0.97

00:46:26.000 But they know who the guy was. 0.94

00:46:27.000 Like, I mean, he's so recent.

00:46:29.000 Too recent.

00:46:29.000 Well, that's the thing, is that you know it's...

00:46:31.000 It's like Scientology.

00:46:32.000 It's like, well, we know it's a lie. 0.99

00:46:34.000 Scientology's even crazier.

00:46:35.000 Well, a science fiction writer...

00:46:37.000 Literally was a failed, a failed science fiction writer.

00:46:40.000 A terrible writer.

00:46:41.000 Terrible failed science fiction writer. 1.00

00:46:43.000 That motherfucker never made a second draft in his life. 1.00

00:46:45.000 And one day said, if you want to make real money, start a religion. 1.00

00:46:50.000 That is his greatest quote.

00:46:52.000 And did it.

00:46:53.000 God bless him.

00:46:54.000 Can't knock his hustle.

00:46:56.000 People want to buy into that.

00:46:57.000 What's amazing is that in 2019, it's still rocking.

00:47:02.000 In some way.

00:47:03.000 It is.

00:47:04.000 Even after all those documentaries, even after the Leah Remini show, all these things just...

00:47:08.000 They go out in the world, they tell everybody it's horseshit, and then a brand new Scientology Center opens in Miami.

00:47:13.000 I'm like, seriously? 0.96

00:47:14.000 Really?

00:47:15.000 We know.

00:47:15.000 A brand new one opened?

00:47:16.000 We already know.

00:47:17.000 Some people don't know.

00:47:18.000 The people who don't know are never gonna know.

00:47:21.000 That's what it is.

00:47:22.000 It's like you're going...

00:47:23.000 If you want to put in a money...

00:47:27.000 Some people have $100.

00:47:28.000 Some people have $5.

00:47:30.000 And this is like intellectually.

00:47:32.000 Some people have a lot of room to work with.

00:47:35.000 Some people don't.

00:47:37.000 Their brain doesn't work as good. 0.93

00:47:39.000 Just like some people have poor genetics when it comes to their ability to run fast, some people have really shitty brain development genetics. 0.76

00:47:47.000 Let me ask you this, because obviously you would have sympathy for someone who was taken advantage of or swindled or the victim of a con person.

00:47:55.000 Sure. 0.98

00:47:56.000 How much sympathy do you have for the gleefully ignorant? 0.99

00:48:01.000 Or the willfully ignorant? 0.94

00:48:03.000 Meaning, like, the information is there. 0.94

00:48:04.000 It's available.

00:48:05.000 Before I give Scientology my money, I could just, I don't know, Google it.

00:48:10.000 Right. 0.97

00:48:10.000 How much sympathy do you have for, like, the willfully ignorant? 0.97

00:48:14.000 People who sort of... 1.00

00:48:15.000 It's like the fucking dude from Airplane. 1.00

00:48:17.000 They bought their tickets. 1.00

00:48:18.000 They knew what they were getting into.

00:48:20.000 I say, let them crash, you know?

00:48:22.000 Like...

00:48:23.000 Well, I'm a big fan of Willie D from the Ghetto Boys, and he has a quote that I always like to use.

00:48:28.000 You gotta let a hoe be a hoe. 1.00

00:48:31.000 And I think, in that sense, like, you gotta let dummies get fleeced.

00:48:35.000 It's just part of it.

00:48:36.000 And part of it is there for us to see.

00:48:39.000 Part of it is there for you to go, what?

00:48:41.000 They gave away all their money? 1.00

00:48:42.000 Aw, shit. 1.00

00:48:44.000 Like, there's something to that. 1.00

00:48:45.000 It benefits us. 0.99

00:48:47.000 Like, I'm not a fan of these videos where kids try to skateboard off the side of a building and they slip and fall and land on their head and everybody's like, oh, shit! 0.99

00:48:56.000 But... 0.99

00:48:57.000 But those videos serve a purpose.

00:48:59.000 And that purpose is not everybody gets to do the handstand on the side of the building and survive. 0.98

00:49:04.000 Some people fall and they land on their fucking head and they're never the same again. 0.99

00:49:07.000 And then they're left with like a third grader's IQ for the rest of their life. 0.99

00:49:12.000 That's real, man.

00:49:13.000 So it's George Carlin's bit about, you know, the kid who swallows the most marbles doesn't get to grow up and have kids of his own.

00:49:19.000 That's how it's supposed to work.

00:49:20.000 Yeah, unfortunately. 0.85

00:49:22.000 It sucks if it's your kid.

00:49:24.000 But... 0.90

00:49:25.000 It's all of us are experiencing this life together.

00:49:29.000 And there's some folks that are just, they're going to do a shitty job of it.

00:49:33.000 And part of me thinks that, because there is no utopia, right?

00:49:37.000 There is no enlightened people.

00:49:39.000 There's no one civilization that's got it all nailed and everybody gets along together and everyone's totally fine with every single choice everybody makes.

00:49:48.000 You ever been to Waffle House?

00:49:50.000 I have.

00:49:50.000 That's a utopia.

00:49:51.000 It's close.

00:49:52.000 Depending on how drunk you are.

00:49:55.000 Because of that, I think we operate under this weird system where you've got to see the failures in order to recognize that failure is possible. 0.99

00:50:04.000 I think there's actual community benefit to people fucking up. 0.97

00:50:08.000 And there's some community benefit to people getting fleeced. 0.98

00:50:12.000 Listen, I always say that...

00:50:14.000 First of all, I don't believe anybody that says, any artist or anybody out in the world creating something and putting it out there for people to react to it.

00:50:23.000 I don't believe anyone who says they don't read their reviews or their own reviews.

00:50:26.000 I read all of the reviews and I read the bad ones twice.

00:50:32.000 Because that's where you learn the most. 0.98

00:50:34.000 They could be right, they could be wrong, but I feel like It's where you fuck up that you learn the most from it.

00:50:45.000 I feel like as a white man in America, all the time I have to keep myself in check the way you were describing earlier about how like, you know, what if you just come to realize that maybe the world isn't exactly the way you perceive it. 0.75

00:50:56.000 And that maybe there's a lot of other people who have very different experiences from the ones that you have.

00:51:00.000 And so maybe the reality of the world is different for those people.

00:51:03.000 And you can be a more enlightened person by being more empathetic and trying to understand those perspectives, trying to walk, you know, a mile in their shoes.

00:51:10.000 And I just feel like...

00:51:13.000 I've learned so much more from the mistakes that I've made and the failures that I've had, certainly, than any of the successes.

00:51:19.000 In my home, I have no...

00:51:20.000 I have movie posters, but they're like art.

00:51:22.000 They're other people's movies.

00:51:23.000 I have none of my own movie posters at home.

00:51:26.000 That's at the office.

00:51:27.000 That's not what home is for.

00:51:28.000 Except I had one for a while.

00:51:30.000 I had one poster of one of my movies...

00:51:33.000 That I hung in the bathroom over the toilet.

00:51:36.000 Because it was my least favorite. 0.99

00:51:38.000 And I just wanted to be reminded that that was the time I took a shit. 0.99

00:51:42.000 For the whole world to see. 0.99

00:51:44.000 And I hung it over.

00:51:45.000 It stayed there for a number of years.

00:51:47.000 It's not there anymore.

00:51:48.000 But I just...

00:51:50.000 I wanted to remind myself of it.

00:51:52.000 Well, you're a smart guy.

00:51:53.000 You take motivation and failures.

00:51:55.000 I mean, that's what failures are really good for.

00:51:58.000 When you fail at something, there's a benefit to that. 0.71

00:52:00.000 You go, God, that sucked. 0.98

00:52:03.000 I don't ever want to suck again. 1.00

00:52:04.000 Let me figure out a way to not suck. 0.99

00:52:06.000 Exactly. 0.89

00:52:06.000 I always say that about comics. 0.89

00:52:09.000 When we bomb, it's a terrible feeling, but it's the best opportunity for growth.

00:52:14.000 Because you realize, hey, I obviously didn't do a good job. 0.91

00:52:18.000 I need to figure out what the fuck I did wrong and batten down the hatches and get this ship right.

00:52:23.000 Because I can't experience that again. 0.96

00:52:25.000 I became a comedy fan in no small part because I have been to shows where I've seen some of the biggest, funniest guys bomb.

00:52:35.000 And I'm like, Jesus, short of being a soldier or a cop or like a stuntman, this is one of the most dangerous, self-destructive jobs. 0.98

00:52:45.000 Like, it requires such bravery and such strength of soul and thickness of skin that, like, I went fucking Vegas. 0.96

00:52:54.000 It's like 2000. And saw Carlin. 0.98

00:52:59.000 Big, beautiful room.

00:53:01.000 Sat, like, front row.

00:53:04.000 It was weird, because, like, the stage was like a wall. 0.99

00:53:06.000 Like, I was sitting against, like, the fucking stage. 0.98

00:53:08.000 And I had to look up, and, like, Carlin's shoe would, like, pass, like, right in front of my eyeball. 0.99

00:53:12.000 Just above my eyeline.

00:53:14.000 And... 0.98

00:53:15.000 He was doing material for one of his last specials, and it was the one, I think it might have been the second to last, he had that whole bit about, like, he doesn't believe in God, but, like, he believes in, like, shit that he can see and he's afraid of. 0.92

00:53:26.000 Like, The Sun or Joe Pesci. 0.72

00:53:28.000 Like, you know, that whole bit.

00:53:29.000 And he was in this big ol' God-fearing crowd there in Las Vegas, and they were not about this.

00:53:36.000 They were not about it.

00:53:36.000 Not one ioder.

00:53:38.000 Not one little bit. 0.99

00:53:39.000 And he's trucking back and forth doing it fucking crickets. 1.00

00:53:43.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:53:44.000 Fucking crickets. 1.00

00:53:45.000 Packed house. 1.00

00:53:46.000 Sold out.

00:53:47.000 I'm the only one laughing in the room.

00:53:51.000 Just me.

00:53:52.000 In this giant room.

00:53:53.000 And I'm laughing my ass off.

00:53:55.000 And I'm all by myself.

00:53:57.000 And at some point I turned...

00:53:59.000 I stopped laughing long enough or took a breath to take a drink, right?

00:54:03.000 And I look down, and then I look back up at the stage, and Carlin is right there.

00:54:08.000 He's like hunched over with his head dangling off the stage.

00:54:13.000 And I look up, and I'm practically nose-to-nose with Carlin.

00:54:16.000 And he goes, thank you, sir.

00:54:17.000 And just walks away and keeps stalking the stage.

00:54:22.000 And I was like, oh my god.

00:54:24.000 And I was at the improv...

00:54:29.000 In Miami, when they had the one at the, remember, the Hard Rock?

00:54:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:32.000 The Hard Rock, I guess they're redoing it or whatever.

00:54:35.000 That fucking place is deaf. 1.00

00:54:36.000 It's just, I was like, I was like, man, you know, they say, what do they say? 1.00

00:54:41.000 The Hard Rock's the floor, though, that's the Hollywood one, though.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, Hollywood, the Hollywood seminal.

00:54:45.000 That was actually pretty good.

00:54:46.000 Oh, yeah, it was.

00:54:46.000 That was good.

00:54:47.000 The bad one was Miami.

00:54:49.000 Oh, and the Grove.

00:54:50.000 Coconut Grove.

00:54:51.000 That was rough.

00:54:52.000 That was deaf. 0.95

00:54:52.000 Yeah, but the... 0.95

00:54:53.000 No, it was cool, but now it's gone. 0.99

00:54:56.000 They've bulldozed the whole fucking place. 0.98

00:54:58.000 They're supposed to be remodeling and rebuilding it. 0.99

00:55:00.000 The Seminole Hard Rock...

00:55:01.000 What's the saying?

00:55:04.000 In a casino, the house always wins.

00:55:08.000 I'm like, these Indian casinos are the only place where, like, the house never wins. 0.99

00:55:12.000 Because it doesn't matter how much money you lose there, we still, like, raped their women and stole their country. 0.99

00:55:16.000 So, like, the least you could do is, like, drop a little coin at the Indian casino. 0.97

00:55:20.000 And that's what I would do.

00:55:21.000 I'd go play.

00:55:21.000 That is the only place they have blackjack in South Florida.

00:55:25.000 So you can go there and play blackjack.

00:55:27.000 But they bulldoze the improv.

00:55:28.000 And I was there one night.

00:55:29.000 Gilbert Gottfried was there.

00:55:31.000 And I was literally the only person laughing.

00:55:34.000 But like in pain like I was in pain laughing and It was just brutal and like and I've been in these rooms were like these guys and and I was just like These are the funniest people that I know and it's happened time and time again And I've been to shows where they killed and I've been to shows where they died and I was like,

00:55:52.000 this is amazing This is so amazing.

00:55:55.000 It's like the fact that Anybody gets back on stage after a night like that, it's remarkable to me.

00:56:03.000 I have such respect for that. 0.99

00:56:07.000 I always say that bombing is like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother, but not really, because somewhere out there there's a guy who loves sucking a dick in front of his mother, and if you put another 999, he wouldn't be that sad. 1.00

00:56:22.000 But no one wants a bomb in front of their mother. 1.00

00:56:25.000 No one wants a bomb, period.

00:56:26.000 It's just terrible.

00:56:27.000 It's a ruthless experience.

00:56:30.000 It just rips you down and shreds all your self-worth.

00:56:35.000 Makes you feel terrible. 1.00

00:56:37.000 But, again, some of my best growth periods in my career have come after eating shit. 1.00

00:56:44.000 You spike. 1.00

00:56:44.000 Yeah, you realize. 1.00

00:56:46.000 You gotta go to work.

00:56:48.000 You can't be complacent.

00:56:49.000 And that's one of the things that fuels and motivates me to this day.

00:56:53.000 I'm terrified of bombing.

00:56:56.000 Anything I can use to make me work harder, I use.

00:57:00.000 The six years since I did my shittiest work have been, for me, artistically, creatively, the most productive.

00:57:09.000 And I feel...

00:57:13.000 Finally, after 20 years of making documentaries, that I might be doing my best work. 0.97

00:57:18.000 But it took that fucking long. 0.84

00:57:20.000 And it took basically almost six years from totally bombing for me to feel like I hit rock bottom and then have spiked better than before. 0.97

00:57:30.000 You've done some documentaries with some dangerous people in them.

00:57:35.000 You know, obviously, Griselda Blanco is probably one of the most dangerous people on Earth while she was alive. 1.00

00:57:41.000 And in this, you also touch on that. 1.00

00:57:44.000 I mean, a lot of these people are fucking sketchy folks, and you're exposing how stupid their activity were. 1.00

00:57:52.000 Does that ever creep you out? 1.00

00:57:54.000 Do you ever get nervous?

00:57:56.000 Because you're making these documentaries mocking these people, and rightly so, but...

00:58:01.000 It's not Cocaine Cowboys.

00:58:03.000 It wasn't really mocking.

00:58:04.000 It's more exposing.

00:58:05.000 But this one is like openly mocking.

00:58:07.000 This one's really good, man.

00:58:08.000 It's really funny.

00:58:09.000 And it comes out March 29th?

00:58:10.000 Yes, sir.

00:58:11.000 Friday.

00:58:11.000 And April 5th on VOD. Well, this one's tough because this is like a fresh wound for a lot of people.

00:58:19.000 It comes on Netflix?

00:58:19.000 No, VOD. No, I'm sorry.

00:58:21.000 Theaters March 29th, and VOD April 5th.

00:58:24.000 So like iTunes, Amazon, pay-per-view on your cable box.

00:58:27.000 What kind of release are you going to get in the theaters?

00:58:29.000 Starting off with 12 cities on Friday the 29th, and then, I mean...

00:58:33.000 Is it LA? Oh yeah, for sure.

00:58:35.000 The Lemley Music Hall.

00:58:37.000 Oh, great.

00:58:38.000 And then, where else?

00:58:41.000 I think San Francisco, Boston, Miami, Orlando...

00:58:48.000 There's like 12 cities.

00:58:49.000 And then, I guess, depending on how well it does, it's being put out by Greenwich Entertainment, who just won the Oscar for Free Solo for Best Documentary.

00:58:57.000 So they know what they're doing.

00:58:58.000 And like I said, hopefully people will go see it.

00:59:01.000 Listen, it...

00:59:03.000 I hope it's a comedy.

00:59:04.000 I think it's a comedy.

00:59:05.000 It's a comedy.

00:59:05.000 We tried to make it a comedy.

00:59:06.000 I was laughing my ass off.

00:59:07.000 I was doing chin-ups and laughing. 1.00

00:59:09.000 I was like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:59:11.000 That fucking guy, the Tanner. 1.00

00:59:14.000 What's his name again? 1.00

00:59:14.000 Porter Fisher. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Porter.

00:59:16.000 That guy.

00:59:16.000 Like, what?

00:59:17.000 I just imagine if you got one of those guys in your life and he's just stuck in your life. 1.00

00:59:21.000 Like, shit. 1.00

00:59:22.000 How do I get this fucking guy out of my life? 1.00

00:59:24.000 And the fact that he borrowed money from this guy... 1.00

00:59:28.000 Loan money.

00:59:29.000 Well, loan money to this guy.

00:59:30.000 Yeah, Porter loaned it to Tony.

00:59:31.000 Yeah.

00:59:32.000 Oh, that's what I'm saying.

00:59:32.000 Tony borrowed money from Porter and then didn't pay him, and that's what caused this whole thing.

00:59:38.000 Alex Rodriguez has got to be pulling his fucking hair out, going, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:59:42.000 And Alex was paying everybody. 1.00

00:59:44.000 So was MLB. I mean, everyone was running amok in Miami, like, just...

00:59:49.000 Hiring private investigators, running people down.

00:59:52.000 Alex Rodriguez, actually, this isn't in the documentary, but when these convicted felons stole the stolen documents from Porter Fisher, who had stolen the documents from Tony Bosch, they set him up in this whole...

01:00:08.000 It's so absurd. 0.93

01:00:09.000 It's a fucking tanning salon heist where they're like, hey, why don't you go in and try this new spray tan color? 1.00

01:00:15.000 It's Trumpian orange. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Go try it on. 0.98

01:00:17.000 And while he's in the fucking spray tan machine, they open his car and steal these documents, which have these client lists of all these famous baseball players, including the highest paid baseball player in the world, A-Rod. 0.98

01:00:30.000 And so they steal it, and then they turn around and sell these stolen documents. 0.98

01:00:36.000 To Major League Baseball.

01:00:38.000 For cash.

01:00:39.000 So MLB has this ragtag band of misfits, this internal FBI, like their own internal investigations division that they created after the Balco steroid scandal.

01:00:51.000 They're running amok.

01:00:52.000 They are seducing nurses, former nurses from Tony Bosch's clinics.

01:00:56.000 They are literally in diners.

01:01:00.000 With convicted felons handing over bags of cash from some MLB slush fund.

01:01:05.000 I don't imagine they were going to 1099 the guy and I don't know where this cash came from 125 grand and what they did was is that The felon who was doing it had a buddy at a neighboring table at this diner with his cell phone recording,

01:01:22.000 video recording this transaction.

01:01:25.000 And then he turned around and went to A-Rod's camp and said, I'll sell you a video of me selling known stolen documents.

01:01:34.000 Everybody knew these documents were stolen.

01:01:36.000 So MLB's buying these stolen records, stolen evidence in the state of Florida Department of Health investigation for cash from a felon.

01:01:43.000 At some point he gets like freaked out and nervous and he deletes this video off the hard drive.

01:01:49.000 He winds up selling A-Rod a blank hard drive for six figures.

01:01:53.000 Okay?

01:01:54.000 And A-Rod sends this hard drive.

01:01:56.000 A-Rod's people send this hard drive around the world to like data recovery services to try to get this video back.

01:02:02.000 So unfortunately the felon didn't get his second six figure payment because that was the first six figures were against the recovery of the data.

01:02:11.000 But he got like Two, three hundred grand to sell A-Rod a blank hard drive.

01:02:16.000 And A-Rod's dropping money on private investigators who were like having car chases through South Miami.

01:02:22.000 It was just totally crazy.

01:02:24.000 And it's like, I always say like, you come down to the swamp and roll around, you're going to get some mud on you.

01:02:30.000 So when MLB came down to To Miami, one of the guys, Jerome Hill, the former Baltimore cop turned Florida Department of Health investigator, he says unequivocally that Major League Baseball's investigators broke the law in the state of Florida and should have been prosecuted for it and held accountable for it and never were.

01:02:51.000 I mean, it's good to be a multi-billion dollar monopoly.

01:02:54.000 How old was A-Rod when the scandal broke?

01:02:56.000 A-Rod was definitely towards the end of his career.

01:02:59.000 And so, that's the interesting thing about...

01:03:01.000 Let's be real. 0.99

01:03:02.000 I don't give a shit about steroids in baseball. 0.98

01:03:04.000 And this era of steroids in baseball was not the same as the other... 0.99

01:03:08.000 You know, the Barry Bonds era of steroids in baseball.

01:03:13.000 These were not guys with necks the size of my waist or anything like that.

01:03:16.000 They were micro-dosing.

01:03:17.000 They were micro-dosing.

01:03:18.000 And it was HGH and testosterone.

01:03:20.000 And a lot of these guys...

01:03:23.000 I mean, listen, their livelihoods are contingent upon their physical performance.

01:03:28.000 And so you've got to play like, what is it, 162 games in 180 days.

01:03:33.000 It's the most physically grueling schedule of any of the professional sports.

01:03:38.000 And guys have always been looking for an edge. 0.97

01:03:40.000 In the 1950s, the Yankees were going out the Copacabana all fucking night. 0.80

01:03:44.000 Apparently there's an Adderall issue with baseball as well. 0.97

01:03:46.000 Absolutely.

01:03:47.000 A disproportionate number of baseball players compared to the general population on Adderall.

01:03:51.000 That's why I said it's a performance enhancing drug.

01:03:54.000 But you had guys like Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford and Billy Martin partying all night at the Copacabana.

01:03:59.000 They have to make a 1 p.m.

01:04:01.000 game, maybe even a doubleheader.

01:04:02.000 They're doing greenies.

01:04:03.000 They're doing amphetamines.

01:04:04.000 It's always been a part of baseball, finding that edge.

01:04:07.000 Now, you've got guys who are just looking to maybe recover a little faster, you know, from injuries or fatigue.

01:04:14.000 You're looking for guys who are looking to maintain peak performance for a longer period than their bodies might have otherwise allowed.

01:04:26.000 Is it that big of a deal?

01:04:28.000 I don't know.

01:04:28.000 It's not.

01:04:29.000 And it's a weird deal.

01:04:31.000 It's a weird thing that we have an issue with.

01:04:33.000 Look, if they did the same sort of stringent testing with NFL players, you'd find out that everyone's on steroids.

01:04:40.000 That's just a fact.

01:04:41.000 You don't get people that big.

01:04:42.000 And they do catch them every now and then.

01:04:44.000 But I feel like it's one of those things where you know how the drug cartels, they'll let some drug shipments get busted so that the other ones will get through?

01:04:53.000 I almost feel like that's what they do with NFL players who get caught.

01:04:57.000 Like, oh, look, we're testing.

01:04:59.000 We caught somebody.

01:05:00.000 Dude, that's what this was with A-Rod.

01:05:02.000 You know, Bud Selig is the steroid commissioner.

01:05:05.000 Full stop.

01:05:06.000 That's the bottom line.

01:05:07.000 His tenure was marked by the famous, you know, home run derby.

01:05:12.000 Yeah, well, Mark Wire and Sammy Sosa.

01:05:14.000 Absolutely.

01:05:15.000 So, he...

01:05:18.000 Knowingly, I believe, exploited and profited from that era of baseball that really saved them after the 94-player strike.

01:05:25.000 Just look at the size of those guys.

01:05:28.000 Where they started.

01:05:29.000 Yeah.

01:05:30.000 I mean, so many of them.

01:05:32.000 We literally morphed them in the documentary.

01:05:34.000 We morphed them from like a before and after. 1.00

01:05:37.000 Because they turn into fucking baseball monsters, smacking balls to Guantanamo, for Christ's sake. 0.99

01:05:43.000 You know what's interesting to me is that some people recovered from that stuff and some people did not. 1.00

01:05:48.000 Jose Canseco never recovered.

01:05:50.000 He never recovered in the public eye.

01:05:53.000 And that's why he's so pissed. 0.99

01:05:56.000 It's fucked up. 0.98

01:05:56.000 When you're the pioneer in something, people really... 0.98

01:05:59.000 And dude, they had a street named after him in Miami, and they quietly took that shit down in the middle of the night after decades of naming that street for him. 0.98

01:06:06.000 He was just totally humiliated. 0.98

01:06:08.000 I think it's also because he ratted out a lot of guys.

01:06:11.000 But so did A-Rod.

01:06:12.000 A-Rod leaked names to try to distract or diffuse attention.

01:06:16.000 But he didn't put out a book.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, but like, it's the public nature of Canseco's book.

01:06:21.000 It's like, I don't know.

01:06:23.000 I'm just guessing.

01:06:24.000 But his book was like, his book turned out to be like the, Jose Canseco's book about stories turned out to be like the steel dossier of baseball. 1.00

01:06:32.000 It's like everybody thinks it's pissed and thinks it's a bunch of bullshit. 0.98

01:06:34.000 And then over time, it's slowly proven true. 0.99

01:06:37.000 And at the end, there's a pee tape.

01:06:38.000 Yes.

01:06:39.000 I think that metaphor holds.

01:06:40.000 Yeah.

01:06:40.000 Well, that is a good way of looking at it, too, right?

01:06:43.000 Because, like, think about the outrage when Clinton got his dick sucked by Monica Lewinsky and compare it to Donald Trump having at least two women that we know about where he paid off that he fucked. 1.00

01:06:53.000 And people are like, eh. 1.00

01:06:54.000 Ask the evangelicals where they stand on all that.

01:06:57.000 Eh.

01:06:58.000 It was before the man found Christ.

01:07:01.000 That's what a lot of them say.

01:07:02.000 When did you find Christ?

01:07:03.000 I was watching a documentary where there was a guy who was some Christian guy who was saying, all of these accusations are before he was born because he was born in the eyes of Christ when he accepted Christ into his life.

01:07:18.000 When?

01:07:19.000 Well, I guess when he's running for president.

01:07:21.000 But that's when he paid off Stormy.

01:07:23.000 Like the night before the...

01:07:24.000 Yeah, but after that.

01:07:25.000 Then he became Jesus.

01:07:27.000 So after the election.

01:07:29.000 He paid off Stormy like when?

01:07:31.000 Like the day before the election.

01:07:34.000 I feel bad for her, too, because I feel like she thought she's going to go all in on this, and then she lost the court case against him, so she owes his legal fees.

01:07:42.000 $300,000.

01:07:42.000 This is crazy.

01:07:43.000 Where the fuck is she going to get that? 1.00

01:07:45.000 And now she's trying to do stand-up. 1.00

01:07:47.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a lot.

01:07:49.000 A lot of hand drops.

01:07:52.000 Enough about Robert Kraft.

01:07:54.000 She's trying to do stand-up. 0.79

01:07:55.000 No, she's not.

01:07:56.000 Yes, she is.

01:07:57.000 In Houston, Texas, they were calling her the Queen of Clapback. 0.91

01:08:02.000 The queen of the clap? 0.99

01:08:03.000 No, no, no.

01:08:04.000 Clap back.

01:08:04.000 Oh, okay.

01:08:05.000 Clap back.

01:08:06.000 You say something bad about her, she's going to come after you even worse. 1.00

01:08:09.000 Really?

01:08:10.000 That clap back expression, like someone, Kim Kardashian claps back at the critics. 1.00

01:08:15.000 That is the dumbest. 1.00

01:08:17.000 I cannot wait for that one to fucking dry up and go away. 1.00

01:08:20.000 Not Kim Kardashian. 0.99

01:08:22.000 That expression.

01:08:22.000 Like, Twitter insult comic kind of shtick?

01:08:25.000 Well, it's just clapback.

01:08:26.000 They're calling it when someone has something to say about someone saying something about them.

01:08:30.000 That's clapping back.

01:08:31.000 Right, but how does that translate to Stormy Daniels doing stand-up?

01:08:34.000 How can you do stand-up out of clapbacks?

01:08:35.000 Well, they were calling her the queen of clapback.

01:08:37.000 She's going to do stand-up again. 1.00

01:08:39.000 I mean, who knows?

01:08:40.000 Maybe she's hilarious. 1.00

01:08:41.000 I think she's going to take it seriously. 0.98

01:08:43.000 I mean, you never fucking know.

01:08:44.000 I mean, as a comic, I leave the door open for all possibilities. 0.70

01:08:50.000 But, I mean, it just means to me that she got this situation where she thought, she probably was told by everybody, look, hey, you're going to win this, he's going to pay you off, everyone's going to know that you told the truth, and people are going to pay for your interviews, and...

01:09:05.000 Man.

01:09:06.000 But this is America.

01:09:07.000 This is a broke supply and demand economy.

01:09:09.000 Like, if she can make more money... 0.91

01:09:11.000 Stand-up comedy is hard work.

01:09:12.000 If she can make more money just spinning on a pole... 1.00

01:09:15.000 Yeah, but...

01:09:15.000 Like, why...

01:09:16.000 Because she's probably got bad hips. 1.00

01:09:18.000 She's like in her 50s or something, isn't she?

01:09:20.000 I don't know.

01:09:21.000 I think she's...

01:09:22.000 She's an older lady. 1.00

01:09:23.000 She's got bad hips. 1.00

01:09:24.000 But she's not young, man.

01:09:26.000 You know, she's not young.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:30.000 How old is she? 0.98

01:09:31.000 She's only 40? 0.98

01:09:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:09:34.000 Okay, I'm sorry, Stormy.

01:09:36.000 Don't clap back at me.

01:09:40.000 I thought she was older.

01:09:43.000 Hard life.

01:09:44.000 Ay, Dios mio.

01:09:45.000 As we say in Miami.

01:09:46.000 Yeah, hard life, bro.

01:09:48.000 But that thing is that everyone's so used to it now.

01:09:53.000 It's not that big a deal.

01:09:55.000 Even if a new accusation came out, people would be like, eh.

01:09:59.000 Like...

01:10:00.000 Remember the New York Times report about Trump where he was talking about his shady business dealings?

01:10:04.000 And they thought...

01:10:05.000 I mean, they spent years...

01:10:06.000 Career-ender.

01:10:07.000 Yeah, totally.

01:10:08.000 Didn't do a damn thing.

01:10:10.000 In and out.

01:10:11.000 Just off his shoulder.

01:10:12.000 It's problematic.

01:10:13.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:10:15.000 Um...

01:10:17.000 It's what I call the new American values.

01:10:33.000 Are lie, cheat, and steal, and get rich or get ahead.

01:10:38.000 And these are values that we're teaching our children now.

01:10:42.000 Not honesty, integrity, tell the truth, do unto others as you'd have done to you, the golden rule.

01:10:49.000 We're now showing them be a bully.

01:10:55.000 Lie, cheat, and steal, and you could be the biggest, highest paid baseball player of all time. 0.93

01:11:01.000 Lie, cheat, and steal, and you could be the commissioner of Major League Baseball. 0.94

01:11:04.000 Lie, cheat, and steal, and you two kids can be president of the United States. 0.88

01:11:08.000 And I think this toxicity of the new American values is going to do damage to...

01:11:15.000 For generations.

01:11:16.000 And we're not going to be able to fully comprehend or understand or analyze the damage it's done for some time.

01:11:24.000 And it was like after Clinton.

01:11:26.000 Clinton redefined what sex meant. 0.99

01:11:29.000 And we were adults, you could laugh at it, but the truth is that he said oral sex wasn't sex. 0.95

01:11:36.000 And we saw the spike in sexually transmitted diseases among teenagers and young people, mostly... 0.99

01:11:46.000 Through oral sex because they said, oh, well, the president said... 0.99

01:11:49.000 Really? 1.00

01:11:49.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:50.000 Talk about a health...

01:11:51.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 It was a legitimate public health crisis.

01:11:55.000 You saw, following the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, you saw an increase in sexually transmitted diseases through oral sex amongst younger people because the president... 0.87

01:12:06.000 It's hard for us because we see the president right now as sort of a comic. 0.97

01:12:10.000 He's a reality show president. 1.00

01:12:13.000 We know it's bullshit. 1.00

01:12:14.000 But what do you tell kids? 1.00

01:12:16.000 This is the president of the United States?

01:12:17.000 Is that what it was? 1.00

01:12:19.000 Or was it because there was so much discussion about him getting his dick sucked that more people wanted to suck dicks and get their dick sucked? 1.00

01:12:25.000 I think without question, obviously, the size and scale of the coverage unquestionably got people horny. 1.00

01:12:33.000 Absolutely.

01:12:35.000 Legitimately!

01:12:36.000 But people...

01:12:37.000 For a while, people thought...

01:12:39.000 When I say people, I'm talking about younger people.

01:12:41.000 Developing minds, impressionable youths were under the impression that you could not get a sexually transmitted disease through something that wasn't sex.

01:12:50.000 And the president reset those values.

01:12:52.000 Just like this president, I feel, is recalibrating our values.

01:12:58.000 And I think that that's what's most...

01:13:01.000 I mean, other than the potential of nuclear war.

01:13:03.000 I think that is what...

01:13:05.000 Is most dangerous and what could cause the most long-term damage from this is these new American values.

01:13:11.000 Lie, cheat, and steal.

01:13:12.000 I was literally at a Q&A with one of the kids, the little kid, Brian Blanco, who plays Tony Bosch in the movie.

01:13:17.000 The lab coat and the hair.

01:13:20.000 He's amazing.

01:13:21.000 He found great kids.

01:13:21.000 He's hilarious.

01:13:22.000 And so they're all great.

01:13:23.000 And he said, I was at a Q&A. And I was like, you know, what lessons do we learn from this movie?

01:13:28.000 And he, this is where I got this from.

01:13:31.000 He interrupted.

01:13:32.000 He's 10 years old.

01:13:33.000 And he's like, oh, I know, I know.

01:13:34.000 I'm like, Brian, you don't have to raise your hand.

01:13:35.000 It's your Q&A too, dude.

01:13:36.000 You're on the panel.

01:13:37.000 And he's like, lie, cheat, and steal, and to win.

01:13:41.000 Or something like that. 1.00

01:13:42.000 And I was like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:13:43.000 This kid's 10 years old. 1.00

01:13:44.000 And I'm like, this is what he thinks...

01:13:48.000 The values of America are.

01:13:50.000 Well, it's interesting because in the documentary, one of the big things, the news clippings, is George Bush discussing steroids in baseball in 2004. Was it 2004?

01:14:01.000 State of the Union.

01:14:02.000 Yeah.

01:14:02.000 And he was talking about how it sends the wrong message.

01:14:07.000 That cheating in baseball sends the wrong message to the youth of America. 0.61

01:14:13.000 I thought that was silly at the time. 1.00

01:14:15.000 I was like, ah, what fucking message? 0.99

01:14:17.000 But the reality is those things do have a ripple effect. 0.99

01:14:20.000 And if you tell people that the way to become this superstar athlete is not just through hard work and dedication, but also through taking things that are illegal because they're going to pump you up and give you an edge on your competitors.

01:14:34.000 We're a shortcut society.

01:14:35.000 So we look for those tricks of the trade.

01:14:38.000 Always.

01:14:39.000 And we don't believe necessarily when people do achieve something naturally or via hard work.

01:14:45.000 We go, what did he do?

01:14:47.000 What did she do? 0.80

01:14:47.000 What did she really do? 0.80

01:14:49.000 Some of those shortcuts work, like Adderall, like steroids, they fucking work, man. 0.93

01:14:55.000 You know, the UFC has had a giant problem with them for a long time, and it was exacerbated by this time period in the early 2000s where they allowed people, I guess it wasn't quite the early 2000s, it was actually later in the 2000s, where they allowed people to take exogenous testosterone under therapeutic use exemptions. 0.94

01:15:15.000 They would call it TRT. And so this famous, like, the Vitor Belfort era, when he was on TRT, just started smashing people, because he looked so ridiculous.

01:15:24.000 He was so jacked.

01:15:26.000 And during that time period, they fell into this...

01:15:31.000 There was a sort of a really...

01:15:36.000 A piss-poor way of justifying it. 0.96

01:15:40.000 The justification was these people have low testosterone. 0.99

01:15:43.000 Low testosterone is a disease.

01:15:44.000 If we give them testosterone, they can perform better.

01:15:47.000 But the way around that was these guys were actually on steroids.

01:15:50.000 The steroids crashed their testosterone.

01:15:52.000 They'd go and get a test.

01:15:53.000 Look, my testosterone's low.

01:15:55.000 Like, yep, you need testosterone.

01:15:56.000 And then they would take steroids, you know, essentially.

01:15:59.000 Not steroids, but testosterone, which has, you know, similar effects. 0.99

01:16:03.000 And then, eventually, the UFC said, look, we fucked up. 0.71

01:16:07.000 We're going to go 180 degrees the other way and hire USADA. And we're going to crawl up everyone's ass with a microscope. 1.00

01:16:14.000 We're going to find out what the fuck is up. 1.00

01:16:16.000 And, man, bodies changed. 0.99

01:16:19.000 Careers crumbled.

01:16:20.000 I mean, we saw so many people get busted in the beginning.

01:16:24.000 So many people got caught.

01:16:25.000 And still getting it.

01:16:26.000 TJ Dillashaw just got caught, who's a Bantamweight champion.

01:16:28.000 Just...

01:16:29.000 Just relinquished his belt.

01:16:31.000 I don't know what he got caught for.

01:16:32.000 I don't know what the circumstances were.

01:16:33.000 Some people have been caught for accidental contamination because there's a lot of different supplements you could buy, even creatine, standard stuff that's totally legal to take, but they're contaminated because you're buying them from cheap sources.

01:16:47.000 They make them in China and what have you.

01:16:49.000 That was the problem with this biogenesis thing.

01:16:51.000 First of all, Tony Bosch, who wore a lab coat, had a stethoscope, called himself Dr. T, said Dr. Tony Bosch.

01:16:58.000 Well, he's a doctor in Belize.

01:17:01.000 Which I think I am, too.

01:17:03.000 I have to check my email.

01:17:04.000 You went to the same medical school as Dr. Pepper and Dr. Dre.

01:17:08.000 Well, I'm an ordained minister, just so you know.

01:17:11.000 I've actually married people.

01:17:13.000 That's legal.

01:17:14.000 I'm a legally ordained minister.

01:17:16.000 I got it online.

01:17:17.000 Tony Bosch, despite having attended what one of our interview subjects refers to as the Belize School of the Medical and Performing Arts, to get his doctorate, he was never a licensed physician in the United States, and yet he had legitimate... 0.80

01:17:33.000 Prescription pads and DEA numbers from doctors that he could then prescribe these drugs and in fact wanted to go one step further like we were talking about with the pill mills and actually sell them in-house to his clients and was buying them in the black market from some dude in a suburb of Miami making the shit in his garage.

01:17:49.000 So that's problematic. 0.75

01:17:50.000 Well, you know, here's one that's problematic that's kind of weird.

01:17:53.000 Doctors of chiropractic, like, you know, they don't go to medical school.

01:17:57.000 And some of them...

01:17:59.000 Check if this is true.

01:18:00.000 Can chiropractors write prescriptions?

01:18:04.000 I don't think that they can.

01:18:05.000 I think some of them can.

01:18:06.000 Really?

01:18:06.000 I think in some places they can write prescriptions.

01:18:09.000 Is that like in Tennessee?

01:18:10.000 Could be.

01:18:11.000 Where is that a thing?

01:18:14.000 It says no.

01:18:14.000 It says they can't.

01:18:16.000 I guess some of them could be doctors, though.

01:18:18.000 No.

01:18:20.000 I highly doubt it.

01:18:21.000 You need an adjustment?

01:18:22.000 You alright?

01:18:22.000 You feeling alright?

01:18:23.000 No.

01:18:23.000 I don't.

01:18:24.000 Ever.

01:18:25.000 How about that?

01:18:27.000 I went to a chiropractor once.

01:18:29.000 I've been to them.

01:18:29.000 Yeah, I thought they were real until I started reading about how it actually got...

01:18:33.000 And a lot of people out there that are chiropractors say, I do a lot of good for people.

01:18:36.000 I'm sure you do.

01:18:37.000 There's a lot of good therapies that chiropractors also offer.

01:18:40.000 So do churches do good for people.

01:18:41.000 But the actual evidence that manipulating people, especially your neck, that it does any good at all, there's none.

01:18:48.000 And it actually has killed people.

01:18:50.000 People have died from having their neck manipulated.

01:18:52.000 Well, I felt a lot lighter after the chiropractor.

01:18:54.000 Amazing.

01:18:54.000 By about $400, actually.

01:18:56.000 Ah.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, it's true. 1.00

01:18:57.000 Yeah, I mean, they do a lot of shit. 1.00

01:18:59.000 Cold laser and massage and stuff that does work. 0.98

01:19:01.000 But if you look at the...

01:19:02.000 You know, it was invented by a guy who was a magnetic healer who was murdered by his own son.

01:19:07.000 His own son murdered him, ran over him with a car, and then took over the business.

01:19:10.000 Sounds like a Sondheim musical.

01:19:11.000 It does.

01:19:12.000 It's crazy.

01:19:12.000 And it was all in like the 1800s.

01:19:15.000 And we've had it for so long that most people didn't look into it and say, well, what is this?

01:19:20.000 What is the science of this?

01:19:22.000 This guy thought that he could cure everything, including blindness, leukemia, cancer, from adjusting your back.

01:19:28.000 This was his premise was based on.

01:19:29.000 How's that going?

01:19:30.000 It came from a seance.

01:19:31.000 And now there's no more blindness or leukemia or it's all gone.

01:19:33.000 It's all gone, bro.

01:19:34.000 It's amazing.

01:19:34.000 But there are still chiropractors that buy into that same idea that they can cure things.

01:19:40.000 That it's not just you're dealing with pain.

01:19:42.000 Right.

01:19:42.000 And if they manipulate you, they can relieve pain.

01:19:43.000 No.

01:19:44.000 They can cure you of certain ailments because of your spine being aligned incorrectly.

01:19:52.000 They're going to adjust it.

01:19:53.000 It's popping you just like this.

01:19:56.000 Just like you do that with your fingers when you crack your knuckles.

01:19:58.000 It's the same thing.

01:20:00.000 It's like a release of nitrogen or something.

01:20:02.000 I'm not exactly sure what causes the crack, but legitimately.

01:20:05.000 Yeah, but I don't see...

01:20:07.000 Do you see anything?

01:20:09.000 No.

01:20:09.000 Okay, maybe I'm wrong with them being able to write prescriptions.

01:20:12.000 I'll tell you that Tony Bosch could not write prescriptions, but he was doing it anyway, or irregardless, as we say in Miami.

01:20:17.000 Well, he had his dad doing it, right?

01:20:18.000 Irregardless.

01:20:19.000 Irregardless.

01:20:19.000 We say irregardless in Miami because we're illiterate, but I use it ironically, though.

01:20:25.000 Right.

01:20:25.000 Got it.

01:20:26.000 I think he might have swiped a pad from his doctor, from his father, who was a legitimate doctor.

01:20:33.000 So he was forging his dad's...

01:20:34.000 Yeah, and he had what they call medical directors.

01:20:37.000 That's part of these.

01:20:38.000 The whole anti-aging scheme really prospered in the state of Florida, as you can imagine.

01:20:44.000 And in no small part, because there's a lot of doctors who, from all over the country, retire to Florida.

01:20:50.000 But they are still medical doctors.

01:20:51.000 So you have guys like Tony Bosch, with an entrepreneurial spirit, who want to open up these anti-aging clinics, and they need what's called a medical director.

01:21:00.000 So they go to a legitimate doctor, and they say, hey, kind of rent us.

01:21:04.000 We'll put your name on the business.

01:21:06.000 You'll get a cut of the action.

01:21:07.000 And they're basically renting out their prescription pad and DEA number so that guys, you know, these other operators who, in this case, identify themselves falsely as doctors, can...

01:21:19.000 You know, exploit that power of the prescription pad.

01:21:22.000 And so that's what was happening here.

01:21:24.000 And more problematic, he started treating high school kids.

01:21:28.000 Oh no.

01:21:29.000 And whose parents and baseball coaches had heard about him through word of mouth and brought these kids to him to get an advantage.

01:21:38.000 You know, we have a big immigrant community, obviously, in Miami.

01:21:41.000 We have a lot.

01:21:42.000 It's a huge baseball community.

01:21:44.000 We have people who are smuggled specifically.

01:21:49.000 We're good to go.

01:22:13.000 But he was a true believer in himself.

01:22:15.000 He really thought he was helping people.

01:22:16.000 And listen, the proof's in the pudding.

01:22:18.000 This guy could not exploit traditional advertising.

01:22:20.000 He wasn't doing billboards and TV ads.

01:22:23.000 He was strictly word of mouth.

01:22:25.000 So he had clients who were getting results, including nearly 100 cops who were referring their friends to his clinics.

01:22:31.000 So these parents came to him looking for help for their kids.

01:22:35.000 And those kids are victims.

01:22:38.000 Yeah, well that's for sure.

01:22:40.000 The last thing you want to do to a kid, especially one that doesn't have any sort of a real hormonal ailment, is to inject exogenous hormones into their body.

01:22:48.000 It just fucks their brain up, their emotions, their entire endocrine system crashes afterwards, it causes depressions, it leads to suicide in a lot of kids.

01:22:58.000 And depending on what you're doing to them, you could also be risking their offspring, potential future offspring.

01:23:03.000 For sure. 1.00

01:23:03.000 Yeah, you could be killing their sperm. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Yeah, you definitely can. 1.00

01:23:07.000 You have a disproportionate amount of, I mean, in the steroid use population of autism, childhood cancer, just horrible, horrible things that happen to the children of people who are on some of these drugs.

01:23:20.000 I think a lot of the folks that are looking at it in terms of a career in baseball or in any other sport where they could benefit, they go, hey, this is the price that I have to pay in order to excel at this extraordinary avenue for financial gain.

01:23:37.000 Well, Tony Bosch was treating Manny Ramirez when he was in Boston, and low testosterone, you know, he was getting on in the years, and Bosch started treating him, put him on a protocol, as he called it, take X amount of Y substance,

01:23:56.000 etc., at this time each day, microdosing, as you said, so it wouldn't, in the event that they were randomly tested, it wouldn't be detected.

01:24:03.000 I don't know if that worked or not, or he was...

01:24:06.000 Giving them placebos on certain days.

01:24:08.000 I don't know what the scheme was.

01:24:09.000 But Manny starts to come back.

01:24:13.000 Again, I don't know if it was psychosomatic or he really was actually performing better.

01:24:16.000 And that's when he got his Dodgers deal.

01:24:18.000 What was that, like a $40 million deal?

01:24:22.000 Theoretically, thanks in no small part to this guy who was juicing him.

01:24:28.000 And then Manny gets busted, pisses dirty.

01:24:31.000 I think?

01:24:52.000 That was the word of mouth that got A-Rod's cousin to come to Bosch and say, hey, you should meet my cousin.

01:25:00.000 He's playing this game in Tampa.

01:25:01.000 Come up and meet him.

01:25:02.000 And it turns out that it's Alex Rodriguez.

01:25:04.000 It's just amazing that someone who made as much money as Alex Rodriguez has knuckleheads like that who can't see the future.

01:25:12.000 Because if I was his friend, I'd be like, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:25:15.000 He's already been busted, dude.

01:25:17.000 Listen to me.

01:25:17.000 They're looking at him.

01:25:18.000 They're watching him.

01:25:19.000 In 09, yeah.

01:25:20.000 Meanwhile, they weren't even.

01:25:21.000 They weren't even.

01:25:22.000 Listen, baseball is like everything else in American life now, including politics.

01:25:26.000 It's the WWE. When Bud Selig, the steroid commissioner, was on his way out the door, literally on the eve of retirement, and he's like, you know what?

01:25:35.000 I need to look like I'm doing something about this.

01:25:38.000 Because I got a great big fat asterisk by my name in the record books here, like all these players do in the steroid era.

01:25:44.000 I need to look like I did something on my way out the door.

01:25:48.000 So he calls his second-in-command Rob Manfred and says, let's do something about this.

01:25:53.000 And they go after the biggest scalp in the game, Alex Rodriguez.

01:25:57.000 And so when they needed Alex as the heel, that was the storyline.

01:26:02.000 So they nail Alex.

01:26:06.000 You know, the Vince McMahon of the Game Bud Sealy goes, oh, I took care of him, retires.

01:26:11.000 Rob Manfred, who was in charge of this whole botched, you know, quasi-legal operation, investigation, biogenesis, and Alex, gets the top gig and is now the commissioner of baseball.

01:26:24.000 And he goes, you know what would be a good storyline now?

01:26:28.000 What if I... Bring A-Rod and Pete Rose back as commentators.

01:26:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:26:34.000 And he did for a while.

01:26:35.000 A-Rod and Pete Rose were working together. 0.61

01:26:36.000 By the way, they were damn good. 0.89

01:26:38.000 They were damn good television, dude. 0.93

01:26:40.000 And as commentators, until Pete Rose got in trouble again, they axed him.

01:26:44.000 But now you've got Rob Manfred, who basically put it all on the line.

01:26:50.000 And A-Rod, who put it all on the line, fighting each other in this battle of the legacies with Bud Selig.

01:26:56.000 Now they're posing with J-Lo out at nightclubs and stuff because that's the new storyline.

01:27:03.000 The storyline, you know, one day you're the heel, the next day you're the hero.

01:27:06.000 Heel, hero.

01:27:07.000 It's like whatever, whatever.

01:27:08.000 And they're just selling everybody this bill of goods that this is all real.

01:27:12.000 Did he really have a picture that was him with Minotaur's body?

01:27:16.000 Centaur.

01:27:17.000 Centaur.

01:27:18.000 Is that real?

01:27:18.000 So this is, I don't know if this is apocryphal or real.

01:27:21.000 I know people who have been in the apartment and claim to have seen it.

01:27:26.000 The problem is I don't know if they're telling the truth or they're kind of fueling the apocryphal tale.

01:27:35.000 I want to believe.

01:27:36.000 I want to believe.

01:27:36.000 We all want to believe.

01:27:37.000 That's the problem.

01:27:38.000 We all want to believe. 0.99

01:27:39.000 So, I mean, spoiler alert, we fucking, we did it. 0.99

01:27:43.000 We put it in there with the little kid's face on it. 0.99

01:27:45.000 Amazing.

01:27:45.000 Just hilarious.

01:27:46.000 The way you did it is hilarious. 0.98

01:27:48.000 The kid who plays A-Rod is fucking amazing. 0.98

01:27:51.000 It's the light eyes. 0.99

01:27:52.000 He's amazing. 0.95

01:27:54.000 I don't want to give too much of it away, but making the funny faces in Korra, it's like fucking hilarious. 0.52

01:27:59.000 I mean, it's so good. 0.55

01:28:01.000 I was just laughing. 0.97

01:28:03.000 I was like, this is so ridiculous. 0.78

01:28:04.000 And to know that this is all something that really happened.

01:28:07.000 And I have to tell you, we've been at this, making documentaries for like 20 years now, almost.

01:28:11.000 And so... 0.98

01:28:13.000 This is the most, as ridiculous and fucking absurd as this is, it is the most meticulously researched documentary we have ever done. 0.99

01:28:23.000 Why? 0.99

01:28:24.000 We're dealing with some very powerful litigious individuals and organizations.

01:28:28.000 So we knew we had to get this 100% right.

01:28:32.000 Not to mention the way we shot this on set, on location.

01:28:36.000 For 10 days, we had the playback on the set.

01:28:38.000 So we were committed to this dialogue, right?

01:28:40.000 And so we had to make sure...

01:28:42.000 We went and obtained transcripts that were never released publicly of sworn testimony in the case to be able to cross-check some of the stuff that we were told and we're going to put in the documentary.

01:28:53.000 And we just...

01:28:54.000 I mean, we actually shot...

01:28:59.000 We're good to go.

01:29:16.000 In Miami, no one looked twice at us.

01:29:18.000 No one thought anything of just us running around.

01:29:20.000 These little kids with beards and mustaches and gray hair and lab coats. 1.00

01:29:24.000 The fucking scene where they're looking for the blood in the nightclub where he lost the vial. 1.00

01:29:28.000 I'm like, what in the fuck? 1.00

01:29:31.000 The fact that he drew his blood in the bathroom and then lost the vial. 1.00

01:29:36.000 Jesus Christ!

01:29:37.000 It was so crazy.

01:29:39.000 I was just watching it, like, shaking my head, like, this is all real.

01:29:42.000 This is how this went down.

01:29:44.000 That guy was worth how many hundreds of millions of dollars?

01:29:46.000 Oh, over $400 million was his gross revenue, just in baseball.

01:29:50.000 And he just had knuckleheads.

01:29:52.000 I mean, the fact that he was, like, willing to keep this guy around him.

01:29:56.000 He grew up in Miami.

01:29:57.000 That's who you surround yourself with when you grow up.

01:30:01.000 In Miami.

01:30:01.000 And that scene was, I mean, that scene, we had like all those kids, like all the extra kids partying.

01:30:06.000 Shout out to my director of photography, B.G. Goldneck.

01:30:09.000 He did a hell of a job.

01:30:09.000 Like that was a complicated, complicated shoot.

01:30:12.000 It's a great documentary.

01:30:14.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:30:14.000 All your shit's great. 0.99

01:30:15.000 Thanks. 1.00

01:30:15.000 I'm a big fan of all your stuff, but this one's particularly silly. 1.00

01:30:19.000 You should come down to Miami.

01:30:20.000 You should, we're doing, I'm almost embarrassed to say it.

01:30:23.000 I just mentioned it to you earlier.

01:30:25.000 We turn cocaine cowboys into a stage play. 0.73

01:30:29.000 Yeah, you were saying that before we started, and I'm like, what are you doing?

01:30:34.000 It's not a musical, but you should come down, and it's called Confessions of a Cocaine Cowboy.

01:30:40.000 You might remember in the documentary, there was a hitman, Jorge Riviala, who he worked for La Madrina, the godmother of Griselda Blanco, and when we first started researching the doc in 2004, we We obtained a seven-volume,

01:30:56.000 1,300-page deposition that he gave.

01:31:00.000 And normally in a depot, You're like, the answer's like, yes, no, yes, no.

01:31:06.000 I don't remember, you know, don't recall.

01:31:08.000 This was like, he was a cooperating witness against Griselda in Miami-Dade County, state of Florida.

01:31:14.000 It was a three capital murder charges.

01:31:17.000 So three death penalties.

01:31:18.000 We're talking old Sparky cases and the electric chair.

01:31:22.000 And so he was a cooperating witness.

01:31:24.000 So it read like a monologue. 0.96

01:31:26.000 I'm reading it and going, I went to New World School of the Arts High School, which is where I studied theater, so I was reading a lot of plays, and I was like, oh shit, this would be like a great play. 0.94

01:31:36.000 And 15 years later, we turned it into Confessions of a Cocaine Cowboy.

01:31:41.000 And you said it's kind of funny?

01:31:43.000 So, someone described it.

01:31:47.000 There it is right there. 0.99

01:31:47.000 Oh shit, yeah. 0.99

01:31:48.000 My producing partner, that's Yancey Arias from formerly, spoiler alert, he's not on the show anymore. 0.98

01:31:54.000 His character got into some trouble.

01:31:56.000 Queen of the South on USA. He's brilliant in the show.

01:32:01.000 And so my producing partner, David Sipkin, who co-produced Cocaine Cowboys and edited it with me, he's described it as a cross between Cocaine Cowboys and my Twitter feed.

01:32:12.000 That's how he described it.

01:32:14.000 It's a little reverent.

01:32:16.000 It's obviously a little absurd if you're going to put Cocaine Cowboys as a live theater event.

01:32:21.000 We acknowledge the absurdity of it and the surreal exploitation of it.

01:32:29.000 You know, the guy, Michelle Hausman, who's the director of the play at Miami New Drama at the Colony Theater in Miami Beach on Lincoln Road, he said, he said, why are we doing cocaine cowboys for the theater in 2019?

01:32:42.000 And I was like, it's a good question.

01:32:45.000 Because, like, it speaks to the relevance of, like, why do this now?

01:32:48.000 And I said, well, if you take away from the documentary, you take away the drugs and the money, it's really a story about Immigrants, children, and gun violence.

01:33:01.000 That's what it's about.

01:33:02.000 And what could be more relevant in the contemporary conversation than immigration, children, and gun violence.

01:33:09.000 And so ultimately, I wanted to make a story about the Miami of yesterday, but the America of today.

01:33:14.000 Like I said, the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow.

01:33:17.000 So here's a story about Miami in the 1980s, but it really...

01:33:22.000 Resembles the America of today. 0.92

01:33:24.000 And so to do that, we had to not make it totally fucking depressing and disturbing. 0.69

01:33:28.000 We injected a lot of humor and a lot of irreverence into it. 0.62

01:33:32.000 The woman, Zila Mendoza, who plays Griselda Blanco, also plays the state attorney.

01:33:37.000 So she has this dual role as sort of these dueling antagonists against Rivie, the hitman.

01:33:42.000 And it's just a, you know, I was writing it with a friend, Oren Squire, this great TV writer and playwright.

01:33:49.000 Why did you have one more and play both roles?

01:33:50.000 Because I felt that they were flip sides of the same coin.

01:33:55.000 I think the state attorney is an interesting character in Miami-Dade County.

01:34:00.000 Does she wear different clothes? 1.00

01:34:00.000 Oh yeah, she has different hair. 1.00

01:34:03.000 And in fact, the performances are so different and the voices are so different that Zila does.

01:34:07.000 Some people after the show would be like, oh my god, she was amazing. 0.62

01:34:11.000 Zila was amazing as Griselda Blanco.

01:34:14.000 Who's the actress that plays the state attorney? 1.00

01:34:17.000 Kathy.

01:34:18.000 And we're like, oh, we won't tell.

01:34:20.000 That's so weird.

01:34:21.000 The last time I heard of that being done effectively was Mars Attacks, when Jack Nicholson played the cowboy, but also played the president.

01:34:30.000 I like Mars Attacks.

01:34:32.000 Are these real underrated Tim Burton?

01:34:35.000 Hugely underrated.

01:34:36.000 Amazing score.

01:34:37.000 I don't know, especially now, I feel like it really holds up.

01:34:41.000 I still go, ah, ah.

01:34:42.000 I'll still do that every now and then, just talking about UFO-related things.

01:34:48.000 It was preposterous.

01:34:50.000 I love that movie.

01:34:51.000 It's a great movie. 0.85

01:34:53.000 Oh my god, they're crazy.

01:34:54.000 It's great.

01:34:55.000 It holds up, man.

01:34:56.000 I watched it like two years ago.

01:34:58.000 It holds up.

01:34:59.000 It's amazing.

01:35:00.000 It's wonderful.

01:35:02.000 It really is.

01:35:03.000 That's interesting, though, that you chose to use the same woman.

01:35:05.000 Did you think about that for a while?

01:35:07.000 Did you have another woman?

01:35:09.000 But you always wanted to do it from the beginning.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, always.

01:35:11.000 I have a strange relationship with the state attorney in Miami-Dade County.

01:35:16.000 She's been the state attorney for about 26 years now.

01:35:20.000 And, you know, when she was first elected, she was like the first Cuban state attorney in the state of Florida.

01:35:26.000 Very ambitious.

01:35:27.000 She's been the only state attorney we've had since Janet Reno left us for the Clinton administration.

01:35:33.000 That's how long she's been state attorney.

01:35:35.000 So now she has one of those records where you examine it and you say, okay, what's actually happening in this town?

01:35:42.000 When people say to me, like, why is Miami so... 1.00

01:35:45.000 Fucking corrupt. 1.00

01:35:47.000 Why does corruption grow greater and wider than fucking oranges in Miami? 1.00

01:35:54.000 And the reason is... 0.98

01:35:57.000 When you have the top cop in town does not effectively enforce public corruption laws and does not pursue public corruption, you have an area where it's just...

01:36:07.000 You set a message of impunity.

01:36:09.000 That's the bottom line. 0.80

01:36:11.000 No trouble arresting innocent young black kids on drug charges or whatever, but when it comes to enforcing public corruption, she's just... 0.93

01:36:22.000 Non-existent. 0.86

01:36:23.000 And so what happens is you have a...

01:36:26.000 And of course it's like the broken windows theory of crime.

01:36:29.000 If you allow petty corruption to go, eventually some of these politicians wind up literally in a closet at City Hall accepting bags full of money.

01:36:41.000 And the only thing we've been able to rely on to some extent is the feds coming in and trying to help, but you have a state attorney who...

01:36:48.000 Has never in her 26 years in office charged a police officer for non-duty killing.

01:36:55.000 Whoa.

01:36:56.000 Despite a proliferation Of these incidents.

01:37:00.000 So it's not like it's, oh, it's not happening as often.

01:37:01.000 The incidents have exploded.

01:37:03.000 And the reason the incidents have exploded is because police know that they'll get away with it because Kathy will not prosecute them.

01:37:09.000 So the message that's being sent is a dangerous one.

01:37:12.000 And it has created a toxic effect with the relationship between, obviously, police and the citizens that they're supposed to be protecting and serving.

01:37:20.000 And it's created a very dangerous situation in the city.

01:37:24.000 And it's also created a situation where just like... 0.98

01:37:28.000 Mayor after mayor just gets away with pure fuckery, you know? 0.98

01:37:33.000 Oh, God. 0.99

01:37:34.000 Yeah, and that's...

01:37:35.000 It's not a sexy answer.

01:37:36.000 People are always like, why is Miami so corrupt?

01:37:38.000 People want some sort of sexy answer, and I say, well, when the top cop is the same person for 26 years, you know, if you're looking at something...

01:37:45.000 If you want to know what's wrong in a community or with anything, you don't look at what changes.

01:37:50.000 I mean, mayors come and go, police chiefs come and go, commissioners come and go...

01:37:56.000 Killers come and go.

01:37:57.000 You know, criminals come and go.

01:37:58.000 You look at the constants.

01:38:00.000 You say, what's been the same here for 26 years?

01:38:03.000 That's got to be the problem. 0.99

01:38:04.000 And sure as shit, that's the problem. 0.98

01:38:07.000 So I wanted to make a statement about the state of Miami today and say that, you know, Also, Griselda Blanco was born in Colombia in a very difficult time in the history of that country during La Violencia, 0.99

01:38:23.000 this brutal civil war between liberal and conservative parties that went on for like 20 years almost.

01:38:36.000 We're good to go.

01:38:40.000 We're good to go. 1.00

01:38:54.000 Your psyche is fucked. 1.00

01:38:55.000 You know, you're not exactly born into money or power or wealth. 1.00

01:39:00.000 You know, your dad's not a judge.

01:39:01.000 You don't exactly have those benefits or opportunities.

01:39:05.000 And if you can try to make something of yourself, I mean, the problem, of course, is that Rizal de Blanco went into an illicit...

01:39:11.000 An illicit trade.

01:39:12.000 But a trade that a lot of people in Columbia were getting into from that era.

01:39:17.000 I wanted to have a discussion about...

01:39:20.000 A lot of the characters argue with each other in the play about how different everybody is.

01:39:24.000 And how Miami is like Game of Thrones and Paradise with slightly fewer dragons.

01:39:31.000 We just self-segregate and it becomes this battle of fiefdoms.

01:39:36.000 Because we're not multicultural.

01:39:38.000 We're very much...

01:39:41.000 I always say the common misconception about Miami is that we're a melting pot.

01:39:44.000 We are not a melting pot.

01:39:45.000 We are a TV dinner where sometimes the peas fall into the mashed potatoes.

01:39:49.000 We have our little kingdoms by flag, by nationality, very much so.

01:39:55.000 And so everybody's arguing about how we're different.

01:39:59.000 And the play sort of, when you walk away, you're like, okay, but this is a conversation about how we're all the same.

01:40:04.000 Some of us have different opportunities than others, and it's just a matter of what we're able to make of those opportunities.

01:40:12.000 That was sort of the comparison I was making.

01:40:16.000 Locally, it's a little scandalous, the fact that the same actress plays both of these very powerful women.

01:40:24.000 Because Kathy, the state attorney, is a very powerful, popular figure.

01:40:29.000 So because you've publicly stated that there's a reason, there's parallels between her and Griselda Bronco.

01:40:34.000 And let's say the portrayal is not the most flattering in the play.

01:40:39.000 Are you worried?

01:40:39.000 I think she gets a fair shake in the play, but Rivi, the character, through his commentary, comes down pretty hard on her.

01:40:45.000 I've been publicly very critical of her, I think, in a constructive way, publicly and via social media.

01:40:55.000 But, I mean...

01:40:57.000 26 years and age almost 70. That is fascinating.

01:41:02.000 You've got to wonder if it's a spoken agreement or if this is just a known sort of this is just how she does business. 1.00

01:41:10.000 You don't have to worry.

01:41:11.000 I call it a conspiracy of convenience because not every conspiracy involves a bunch of rogues gallery at a Boardroom table in a dark, smoky room.

01:41:23.000 Talking about, okay, how are we going to conspire?

01:41:25.000 What are we going to do?

01:41:26.000 Conspiracies of convenience are just like people are in positions of power, and everybody just kind of wink, wink, nod, nod.

01:41:33.000 Everybody knows what they're supposed to do.

01:41:35.000 And you don't ruffle feathers, and you don't...

01:41:37.000 You don't fuck with conventional wisdom, and this is the way it's always been done, so this is the way we do it.

01:41:45.000 And everybody just kind of, you either fall in line, or they get rid of you, one way or another. 0.95

01:41:49.000 And so that's just the way fiefdoms operate.

01:41:54.000 It sounds like such an exhausting project to create a play out of that sort of horrific time in Miami's history. 0.98

01:42:04.000 It was fucking exhausting. 0.71

01:42:06.000 When you told me you were doing it, that's the first thing I thought of. 1.00

01:42:10.000 Being a lazy fuck, I'm like, oh, that's so much time. 1.00

01:42:13.000 It seems like so much time to do. 1.00

01:42:15.000 I don't want to do that.

01:42:16.000 This documentary racket is not very profitable, so I wanted to go where the real money is.

01:42:22.000 Theater.

01:42:24.000 Plays.

01:42:25.000 I'm going to be a playwright.

01:42:27.000 You're going to make your fortune, Billy.

01:42:30.000 And I said to my co-author, Orrin Squire, and the director, I was like, listen, this has to be a purely theatrical experience, too.

01:42:38.000 No projections, no archive news footage like we use in the document. 0.91

01:42:42.000 I'm like, in Miami, first of all, these days, if I just got to put my pants on to leave the house, that's a fucking hassle. 0.52

01:42:48.000 Meaning, like, if I can just... 0.86

01:42:50.000 When I'm home, if I can just chill, I want to just chill.

01:42:53.000 Right. 0.99

01:42:53.000 So if I'm going to be like, okay, I got to go see a fucking play. 0.99

01:42:56.000 I'm like, so first thing I got to do is put my pants on. 0.99

01:42:58.000 All right?

01:42:59.000 So I put my pants on.

01:43:00.000 Then you got to get in the car.

01:43:01.000 You got to brave this traffic.

01:43:02.000 It's spring break on right now, Miami Beach.

01:43:03.000 It's out of control.

01:43:04.000 So you got to go to South Beach, go to the theater, Lincoln Road, and then, like...

01:43:11.000 Pay your hard-earned money to see this play, because plays are more expensive.

01:43:14.000 Tickets for plays are a lot pricier than a movie, right?

01:43:17.000 Or a Netflix subscription.

01:43:19.000 I'm like, I don't want people to be there like, what the hell? 1.00

01:43:21.000 I could have just stayed home and watched this shit on Netflix. 1.00

01:43:24.000 I want people to go like, holy shit. 1.00

01:43:25.000 And we're actually seeing that. 0.99

01:43:29.000 A really disproportionate number of people coming to the theater who have never been to a live play before.

01:43:36.000 Because of their interest in the subject matter, the title, Confessions of a Cocaine Cowboy, or the documentary.

01:43:41.000 So people are coming, and they're rowdy, and they're interacting with the actors.

01:43:45.000 It's kind of fun, because we do a lot of breaking of the fourth wall, where Rivi talks to the crowd, or the cops talk to the crowd.

01:43:51.000 And so they're talking back, the audience, and they're...

01:43:53.000 And it's fun, and very, and funny, and I think pretty thought-provoking, particularly at the end. 0.87

01:43:59.000 And they just like, this audience is, we're like, oh shit, you can't duplicate this experience in any way. 0.92

01:44:07.000 You know that. 0.99

01:44:08.000 I mean, like, yeah.

01:44:08.000 I mean, watching comedy on Netflix is one thing.

01:44:11.000 Being in the room is a totally different energy.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, it's a different animal.

01:44:15.000 Yeah, it's a rush.

01:44:16.000 It's like, you know, it's like a drug.

01:44:17.000 How many seats?

01:44:19.000 This theater, 420. Oh, it's great.

01:44:21.000 420, bro.

01:44:22.000 Fairly intimate.

01:44:22.000 Yeah.

01:44:25.000 But that's a good size for an intimate live show.

01:44:28.000 It's huge, and it's a beautiful...

01:44:31.000 It's like a historic theater in Miami Beach.

01:44:32.000 There's not a lot of...

01:44:33.000 What's it called?

01:44:34.000 The Colony Theater.

01:44:35.000 Okay, I know where that is.

01:44:36.000 On Lincoln Road.

01:44:36.000 It's that walking street.

01:44:37.000 You probably get...

01:44:38.000 Back when we had the Comedy Festival, you probably did it.

01:44:41.000 You were at the Fillmore, and you might have done the Colony.

01:44:43.000 Yeah, I did the Jackie Gleason Theater.

01:44:45.000 Yes, the Fillmore now, yeah.

01:44:47.000 I've done a few different places.

01:44:49.000 I don't remember all of them.

01:44:50.000 This is a smaller room for you, but it's a great, cool space.

01:44:54.000 It used to be an old movie theater, and my grandma used to go see movies there.

01:44:57.000 We don't preserve a lot of our history in Miami.

01:44:59.000 It's like I was saying earlier, we're such a young city, literally young, and we're like...

01:45:07.000 America's perpetual rebellious teenager.

01:45:10.000 We're like, everything new. 0.99

01:45:12.000 We have a transient population, a lack of institutional memory, and we're like, fuck history. 0.98

01:45:17.000 Let's just knock this down and build new. 0.98

01:45:19.000 Because that's the only way to create jobs. 0.98

01:45:20.000 Knocking shit down, redesigning it, rebuilding it, repopulating it, building it taller, creating more revenue. 0.98

01:45:26.000 Because we don't have a state income tax in Florida. 0.99

01:45:29.000 It's just constant hustle.

01:45:31.000 To have a place like that where it's like, oh, we're going to We're good to go.

01:45:56.000 The no income tax thing is very attractive to people.

01:45:59.000 People move to states that don't have income.

01:46:01.000 That's one thing that pulls people into Nevada.

01:46:05.000 Why do you think O.J. Simpson moved there?

01:46:07.000 I thought there was a law where they couldn't get his money.

01:46:09.000 Right.

01:46:09.000 We have the homestead law.

01:46:12.000 You can't get the money.

01:46:15.000 You can't get the house.

01:46:16.000 It's a great place to sort of...

01:46:18.000 Hide assets.

01:46:19.000 I told you, like a third world country. 1.00

01:46:20.000 It's like a banana republic.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, because he lost the civil case.

01:46:25.000 A 30 plus million dollar judgment against him. 1.00

01:46:28.000 So he bought a fucking house in Florida. 1.00

01:46:30.000 Now, is he still there? 1.00

01:46:33.000 Oh, I don't think so.

01:46:34.000 I think he's in Vegas now.

01:46:35.000 I think they released him, but they were gonna...

01:46:39.000 I think he might be on paper, so I think he might have to stick around.

01:46:43.000 I'm not certain.

01:46:44.000 Because for a while, I think he was asking permission to go to Florida when he first got released, and the Attorney General of Florida was like, no thanks.

01:46:50.000 To be fair, though, she was a blonde woman, so she was scared.

01:46:55.000 Too soon?

01:46:56.000 What?

01:46:56.000 I don't know.

01:46:57.000 It's no too soon with him.

01:46:59.000 He's one of the weirdest cases in all of American pop culture history.

01:47:04.000 I mean, he is one of the weirdest cases.

01:47:06.000 You know, there's a fantastic photo that someone made a meme of of Howard Cosell with Bruce Jenner on his one side and then O.J. Simpson on his other side and Howard Cosell saying, I've seen the future, you're not going to fucking believe this. 0.57

01:47:24.000 Because it is so goddamn crazy that one of the most famous and beloved people forget before that murder, beloved. 0.97

01:47:33.000 I mean, he was like The Rock. 0.72

01:47:35.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:47:36.000 Right?

01:47:36.000 In a lot of ways.

01:47:37.000 Maybe even, well, I don't want to say more beloved.

01:47:41.000 The Rock's pretty beloved.

01:47:42.000 But that level.

01:47:43.000 I mean, endorsements, Hertz rental car ads, he was in movies.

01:47:49.000 People loved him.

01:47:50.000 Yeah, beloved personality.

01:47:51.000 In comedies, no less.

01:47:52.000 Yes, yes.

01:47:53.000 The Naked Gun trilogy.

01:47:54.000 Yes!

01:47:54.000 You know, and, well, it was inevitable he would wind up in Florida, of course.

01:48:00.000 Crazy. 0.95

01:48:01.000 Crazy. 0.56

01:48:01.000 Just crazy. 0.56

01:48:03.000 This is something that, in the end, not to spoil it, you've been so kind to not spoil Screwball, but in the end, that's also part of the message, is the idea that, and why we use the children.

01:48:16.000 These athletes are heroes to these kids.

01:48:21.000 They look up to them.

01:48:23.000 These are supposedly role models.

01:48:25.000 And how many professional athletes do you know who you'd be like...

01:48:31.000 I want my kids to idolize this person.

01:48:35.000 Legitimately.

01:48:36.000 Legitimately.

01:48:36.000 Very few.

01:48:37.000 Sure.

01:48:38.000 And that's where that whole lie, cheat, steal, to get ahead message, I think, is what we're teaching our children these days.

01:48:46.000 And that's the case with O.J. Simpson.

01:48:49.000 People idolize that guy.

01:48:51.000 So, did A-Rod retire?

01:48:54.000 Did he ever come back from this game?

01:48:56.000 I don't know anything about baseball.

01:48:57.000 For one season.

01:48:58.000 He did?

01:48:58.000 Yeah, for one season he came back.

01:49:02.000 Largest suspension in the history of the game.

01:49:04.000 But they reduced it, right?

01:49:05.000 They reduced it, but it remained the largest suspension.

01:49:07.000 So how many games?

01:49:08.000 Was it a year?

01:49:09.000 Ultimately, it was like 160. It was almost like basically a full season.

01:49:12.000 And the following season, he came back, played about another year.

01:49:16.000 You have to remember, he was injured for a while.

01:49:17.000 I think actually he might have been injured the following year and then came back the year after.

01:49:20.000 And then he retired.

01:49:22.000 And the Yankees made him like...

01:49:27.000 Right.

01:49:38.000 I don't know quite how to explain it.

01:49:40.000 And listen, it's been one of the greatest, I think, reputation rebuilders.

01:49:47.000 Not even a rebuilder.

01:49:48.000 Remember, he was hated.

01:49:50.000 Yankees fans used to boo the guy.

01:49:51.000 He was not a beloved figure as a baseball player.

01:49:54.000 Now he's like, I mean, my mom knows him.

01:49:56.000 Who he is.

01:49:57.000 I mean, she calls him J-Lo's boyfriend, but the bottom line is she knows.

01:50:01.000 I think they're going to be studying.

01:50:03.000 This case study of image rehab is going to be studied for decades to come in PR classes.

01:50:10.000 Do you think it was calculated?

01:50:11.000 I think a lot of it was accidental.

01:50:13.000 But look at...

01:50:15.000 He's never even apologized or really admitted what he did.

01:50:19.000 He never went on the Mea culpa tour.

01:50:22.000 Poor Lance Armstrong did.

01:50:24.000 Did he test positive?

01:50:25.000 No, he never failed a test either.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, see that's part of it.

01:50:28.000 Like, he was on this shady doctor's dockets. 0.98

01:50:31.000 How the fuck did the doctor use the right name? 0.98

01:50:34.000 Like, that's what's so crazy. 0.99

01:50:36.000 Like, why did you use his name?

01:50:38.000 What do you mean?

01:50:39.000 Why did you use A. Rodriguez?

01:50:42.000 How about use a pseudonym?

01:50:44.000 You have to remember, Tony was doing a lot of cocaine at the time. 0.98

01:50:47.000 And he was like in a fucking spiral his whole life was. 0.98

01:50:52.000 He was about to hit rock bottom while he was running this business. 0.97

01:50:55.000 And what's funny is, so his medical records, there was some file folders, but a lot of them were in...

01:51:00.000 Composition books.

01:51:01.000 Like just old school CVS. Like you used in the movie.

01:51:04.000 Yeah.

01:51:05.000 That's why that's the icon.

01:51:06.000 He wrote in and he would scribble in.

01:51:08.000 So those would be his...

01:51:08.000 He'd write patient nicknames and dose...

01:51:12.000 And then some of it would just be like stream of consciousness, like middle school girl, like journal.

01:51:18.000 Like he would write his name in different fonts.

01:51:21.000 He would come up with different like business ideas and plans and...

01:51:24.000 And make signs, you know, for, like, his businesses and talk about motivational speaking ideas that he had.

01:51:30.000 And it was, like, it's a real journey, like, into his mind of a cocaine-addicted fake doctor in Miami, you know?

01:51:36.000 Which is an interesting journey, I gotta tell you.

01:51:39.000 Right.

01:51:39.000 But, like, he...

01:51:41.000 So, these composition books...

01:51:44.000 On some pages, there'd be, like, code names.

01:51:46.000 Like, you know, he had a guy that was, like, you know, that he'd name after cars or he'd name after, like, Miho or little Spanish words or things like that.

01:51:57.000 He had a player...

01:51:59.000 He bought him, like, he bought him an SUV of some kind. 0.99

01:52:01.000 So he, like, you know, he codenamed him, like, Tahoe or whatever the fucking car was, you know. 0.95

01:52:05.000 Another one was DUI because he'd just gotten a DUI. So that was, like... 0.88

01:52:09.000 But then, like, after a while, he just kind of abandoned it and then was, like...

01:52:14.000 A. Rodriguez or Alex Rodriguez.

01:52:15.000 By the way, there's a shit ton of Alex Rodriguez's in Miami.

01:52:18.000 But when you start seeing A-Rod in the books, it's kind of a tell.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:52:26.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:52:28.000 He just got sloppy, you know, like fucking drug addicts do. 1.00

01:52:30.000 What does that guy do now? 1.00

01:52:32.000 Well, he's five years off of cocaine, which is good.

01:52:36.000 He went to federal prison, and rightfully so for the kids, for the high school kids.

01:52:40.000 When the judge sentenced him specifically said, you know, it's one thing for consenting adults to engage in this behavior.

01:52:47.000 It's another thing for you to drag kids into this mess and potentially poison them.

01:52:52.000 So he went to federal prison.

01:52:54.000 Get this.

01:52:55.000 He winds up in a camp so it's like minimum security federal prison in Alabama and he winds up teaching in part a nutrition class to his fellow inmates He's in there with Jeff Skilling of Enron,

01:53:13.000 who's teaching a business class to his fellow inmates, and Jesse Jackson Jr., who's teaching a political science and civics course to their fellow inmates.

01:53:23.000 They say prison's the best place to learn and that camp in Alabama.

01:53:28.000 Oh, God.

01:53:30.000 We're running out of money on this movie, and so, as you always do with movies, and so there's a couple scenes that we wanted to do that we ran out, we just couldn't do.

01:53:38.000 We had to cut them from the schedule.

01:53:40.000 So, one of them was an epilogue with all the kids in federal prison, like, jumpsuits, and, like, Tony teaching, and, like, a little baby Jesse Jackson Jr., a little baby Jeff Skilling from Enron, a little baby...

01:53:50.000 And another thing...

01:53:51.000 So, another thing Bosh was doing is he was...

01:53:54.000 Like, you see him at the beginning of the movie sitting at the bar at the Ritz-Carlton, Key Biscayne, and he's writing... 0.93

01:53:59.000 Little protocols on a fucking cocktail napkin for the bartenders on how to build muscle, how to lose weight. 0.99

01:54:04.000 So he was doing that in prison for inmates. 0.99

01:54:09.000 For like vitamins and supplements that they could buy in the commissary.

01:54:13.000 He would be like, hey, yo, Dr. T, I'm trying to build muscle mass.

01:54:17.000 And he'd be like, okay, here's the problem.

01:54:18.000 Go to the commissary, buy these vitamins or these supplements.

01:54:22.000 And there you take it this time.

01:54:23.000 Yo, Tony, I'm looking to lose weight.

01:54:25.000 What do I do?

01:54:26.000 And then guards started coming to him.

01:54:28.000 Like, hey, I'm looking at my wife wants to lose some weight. 1.00

01:54:30.000 Yeah, he'd give him protocols.

01:54:33.000 Wow.

01:54:33.000 Yeah, so I mean, he's very, I told you, he's very much a true believer in In himself.

01:54:39.000 He's got a lot of faith in himself.

01:54:43.000 And he, for a while, was planning on opening a nutritional supplement business across the street from Marlins Park in Miami.

01:54:52.000 This is pretty recently.

01:54:55.000 It hasn't happened yet, but he's looking around for new opportunity.

01:55:00.000 And Miami is a land of new opportunity.

01:55:03.000 I told you this last time I saw you that It's an old saying that I love that LA is where you go when you want to be somebody, New York is where you go when you are somebody, and Miami is where you go when you want to be somebody else.

01:55:15.000 It's not only a town of reinvention, it's just always been a sunny place for shady people.

01:55:20.000 I just always wanted to know what happens to a fake doctor who gets busted selling steroids to kids.

01:55:26.000 What does that guy do for a living afterwards?

01:55:30.000 I suspect now he's just sort of being subsidized by family and friends right now.

01:55:35.000 He does have kids and child support probably to make somehow.

01:55:38.000 I don't know exactly what he's up to.

01:55:40.000 I'll ask him the next time.

01:55:41.000 I'm going to see him this weekend at some Q&As.

01:55:43.000 Are you really?

01:55:45.000 Oh yeah, he does.

01:55:46.000 And he's quite funny.

01:55:48.000 He's quite sober-ish.

01:55:50.000 Ish?

01:55:50.000 Ish.

01:55:51.000 Well, I think he still drinks, but he doesn't do illicit drugs anymore.

01:55:55.000 Yeah.

01:55:55.000 And that was bad for a while.

01:55:58.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:56:00.000 That's always the bad decision-making route.

01:56:04.000 What's funny about this is that he...

01:56:06.000 So we caught him on his way into federal prison originally.

01:56:09.000 So in November of 2013, Alex was in the midst of the arbitration that we portray at the end of the movie.

01:56:16.000 In MLB's offices in Manhattan.

01:56:19.000 And we get a call from his publicist.

01:56:22.000 And his publicist says...

01:56:25.000 Alex is on a break from the arbitration.

01:56:28.000 And he's coming down to Miami.

01:56:30.000 He's got an office in Coral Gables, which is this very wealthy, affluent suburb adjacent to the city of Miami.

01:56:35.000 And it's actually the city where the University of Miami is located, where Alex Rodriguez Field is at UM on campus.

01:56:41.000 And so they said, listen, Alex would like to meet with you to talk about possibly doing some kind of tell-all documentary.

01:56:49.000 Jesus.

01:56:50.000 This is November 2013. So I'm like, yes, please.

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 So I figured, like, this is a hush-hush meeting.

01:56:58.000 You know, we're going to do this on the down low at his office in Carl Gable's.

01:57:00.000 They say, meet us some weekday, high noon, at Hillstone Restaurant, which is the power lunch spot in that neighborhood.

01:57:11.000 The most prominent corner in the city.

01:57:15.000 Floor to ceiling windows, open kitchen, everybody from the street to the dishwasher can see everything going on in that dining room.

01:57:23.000 They want to meet us there at noon.

01:57:25.000 So I'm like, oh, okay.

01:57:27.000 We go there, slammed, every seat taken, mob scene around the host stand, three, four deep at the bar.

01:57:33.000 They escort us down the center, me and my producer Alfred Spellman, right down the center aisle.

01:57:39.000 Parade us, practically.

01:57:41.000 And, you know, ESPN, in the 30 for 30s, they really fetishize the directors.

01:57:45.000 So, like, they have, like, video interviews with us, like, you know, in bumpers, like, every hour, like, little segments.

01:57:51.000 And so, people sometimes recognize me, usually in Miami, like, close to UM, because we did the UM interview.

01:57:57.000 So, if there was any place I was going to be recognized, it was two miles from the University of Miami.

01:58:03.000 And so, take us right down the middle.

01:58:05.000 And there, in the center booth, on this elevated platform around the back, is Alex Rodriguez holding court.

01:58:14.000 So, we literally have to step up on stage to join him.

01:58:17.000 And all eyes are on us in this place.

01:58:21.000 And...

01:58:22.000 I don't know what we kind of get introduced and I need like an icebreaker.

01:58:26.000 So I'm like, so who's going to call page six?

01:58:30.000 You or us? 0.99

01:58:31.000 Sure as shit. 0.99

01:58:32.000 Two weeks later, it was in page six. 0.99

01:58:33.000 And so we sit there and Alex didn't laugh.

01:58:38.000 The publicist laughed.

01:58:39.000 That's like a publicist joke, you know, I guess.

01:58:42.000 Because it was clear that we were there to be seen having this meeting.

01:58:46.000 It was so clear.

01:58:47.000 Why do you think they did that?

01:58:49.000 It was part of...

01:58:51.000 Alex's, when you said, was there a plan?

01:58:53.000 There was kind of a plan.

01:58:54.000 It was part of Alex's PR offensive or pushback against Major League Baseball.

01:59:01.000 And so we sat there with him for almost an hour and a half and he just lied.

01:59:06.000 Just lied to us.

01:59:07.000 The whole time.

01:59:08.000 And I didn't know that.

01:59:09.000 I'm not a...

01:59:10.000 About everything.

01:59:11.000 I never met Tony Bosch.

01:59:12.000 This is all...

01:59:13.000 You look at my records.

01:59:14.000 My performance didn't improve after the time he claims to have been treating me.

01:59:18.000 I'm not a baseball fan.

01:59:19.000 I'm like you.

01:59:20.000 To me, I call it screensaver.

01:59:22.000 But my producing partner, Alfred, is a degenerate baseball fan. 0.99

01:59:26.000 He gets the fucking MLB.com package on his desk, on his iPad... 0.99

01:59:30.000 All day long during the season. 1.00

01:59:32.000 I'm just like...

01:59:33.000 I mean, I guess he does that instead of Ambien.

01:59:35.000 It's like less sleep-eating with baseball, I guess.

01:59:37.000 I don't know.

01:59:37.000 So he's just like...

01:59:38.000 But he's a huge baseball fan.

01:59:40.000 And when I left, I was like, he made a lot of good points, Alex did.

01:59:43.000 Alfred's like... 1.00

01:59:45.000 Fucking lied about everything. 1.00

01:59:46.000 And I can't blame him. 1.00

01:59:47.000 He lied to everybody in those days.

01:59:49.000 I mean, he was desperately trying to salvage his career and his legacy.

01:59:53.000 And he allegedly lied to the DEA in a Queen for a Day meeting. 0.99

01:59:56.000 Who the fuck lies in a Queen for a Day meeting other than George Papadopoulos? 1.00

02:00:00.000 I mean, the whole point is you're supposed to tell the truth that they're not going to fuck with you. 1.00

02:00:04.000 But he allegedly did that. 0.99

02:00:06.000 What is a Queen for a Day meeting? 1.00

02:00:07.000 So Queen for a Day meeting with the feds, you get a letter for it.

02:00:10.000 They're like, we're investigating.

02:00:13.000 You're a witness in an investigation.

02:00:15.000 We understand you may have participated in some illegality or committed some crimes in the course of this larger investigation, but we're not after you.

02:00:25.000 We just want you to come in, feel comfortable and free to tell the truth to our investigators so that we can pursue our investigation accurately and fairly, and we will not Anything you say will not be held against you, essentially, in a court of law.

02:00:41.000 So you're queen for a day, they call it.

02:00:42.000 You get a letter, a queen for a day letter.

02:00:44.000 They actually call it that?

02:00:45.000 They call it queen for a day.

02:00:48.000 It's the thing the feds have.

02:00:50.000 And so Alex was free to just speak.

02:00:55.000 The only thing he can't do Is lie to a federal agent.

02:00:58.000 That is a crime.

02:00:59.000 And that is, in fact, I think what George Papadopoulos was ultimately...

02:01:02.000 He lied in his Queen for a Day meeting.

02:01:03.000 The whole point of a Queen for a Day meeting is to not lie. 0.86

02:01:07.000 Because you can't get in trouble, essentially, for any crimes that you admit there about the investigation.

02:01:12.000 So that was the allegations that he actually lied.

02:01:15.000 Listen, I'm a documentarian.

02:01:16.000 People lie to me for a living.

02:01:18.000 I'm fine with that. 1.00

02:01:20.000 Especially because they spelled my name right on page six and that shit was in bold. 0.99

02:01:23.000 I don't have the juice to make that happen. 0.99

02:01:24.000 Alex's publicist had the juice to make that happen.

02:01:27.000 I was flattered that they'd write about me.

02:01:32.000 But you didn't think that he was lying?

02:01:34.000 I suspected he wasn't telling us the whole truth, but I thought he made some interesting points.

02:01:38.000 So, Alfred...

02:01:40.000 Alfred was a pitcher in high school.

02:01:42.000 North Miami Beach Senior High.

02:01:43.000 Go Chargers.

02:01:44.000 And Alfred had actually pitched against Alex Rodriguez.

02:01:48.000 This is like one of his only war stories from his baseball years in high school, right?

02:01:53.000 Is that Alex was a senior.

02:01:55.000 I think Alfred was going to some sort of Ron Frazier baseball camp out of UM. And they did this summer league game.

02:02:02.000 And Alfred is...

02:02:04.000 My eyes are glazing over telling this story.

02:02:06.000 But like Alfred's pitches against A-Rod.

02:02:10.000 Who was already a senior, already a beast.

02:02:12.000 Everybody knew this guy was going to go in the draft and be huge.

02:02:16.000 Everybody knew about that.

02:02:17.000 He had been the talk of the high school baseball community in Miami forever.

02:02:21.000 And so, Alfred pitched against him, and he held A-Rod to a triple. 0.96

02:02:26.000 Of course, A-Rod smacked the shit out of this ball, sailed away, but it was only a triple.

02:02:31.000 It was a rare not-home run for Alex. 0.97

02:02:33.000 So I thought...

02:02:34.000 Oh, we have, like, a funny personal anecdote.

02:02:36.000 Like, we can find some common ground here, right?

02:02:38.000 You're talking to someone who might be a potential interview subject, you know?

02:02:41.000 And so, I'm like, actually, Alex, you and Alfred have met before. 0.99

02:02:45.000 Alfred rolls his eyes, like, he's going to embarrass me and tell this dumb shit story. 0.98

02:02:49.000 So I tell out, like, isn't this funny? 0.99

02:02:51.000 Like, you guys...

02:02:51.000 And Alfred held you to a triple.

02:02:55.000 And he kind of looked at me like, you're looking at me right now.

02:02:58.000 He's just...

02:02:58.000 He was totally unamused and maybe looked even a little...

02:03:04.000 Hurt or offended.

02:03:05.000 This is the greatest baseball, one of the greatest baseball players of all time, the highest paid baseball player in history.

02:03:11.000 And here I'm just telling this cute story from like 20 years earlier or whatever.

02:03:17.000 And he seemed like, oh, he held me to a triple.

02:03:20.000 I'm like, how could you be upset?

02:03:33.000 I was curious about him.

02:03:35.000 I was excited about the prospect of interviewing him.

02:03:38.000 And, man, they practically ghosted us out.

02:03:40.000 Yeah.

02:03:41.000 January of 2014, that's when they lowered, they reduced the suspension.

02:03:44.000 I started hitting up every month.

02:03:46.000 I started hitting up the publicist.

02:03:47.000 Yo, following up on that meeting.

02:03:49.000 You know?

02:03:50.000 Because it's funny.

02:03:51.000 In the Page Six article, it mentioned he met with the 30 for 30 filmmakers, Billy Corbin, Alfred Spellman.

02:03:55.000 He's been shopping a book proposal to these publishers.

02:03:58.000 The book proposal thing was total bunk.

02:04:00.000 Literally not true.

02:04:01.000 The publishers are like...

02:04:03.000 We'd love to get one, but we haven't gotten a book proposal from A-Rod.

02:04:07.000 He really did have the meeting with us, but like...

02:04:09.000 So everything was just...

02:04:09.000 We were just kind of pawns in his game, which is cool.

02:04:12.000 Whatever.

02:04:12.000 Have they responded to this documentary?

02:04:15.000 Not exactly, but I... For like six or seven months, I'm emailing with the publicist.

02:04:20.000 And then it was clear that they weren't interested.

02:04:22.000 So...

02:04:23.000 And that became the tactic, by the way.

02:04:25.000 When you said, was there a strategy? 0.99

02:04:26.000 The strategy was to shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:04:28.000 And just... 0.99

02:04:29.000 Like you said, like with the president.

02:04:31.000 Big New York Times, big escandalo, escandalo, Expo Day. 0.99

02:04:35.000 And then, maybe if we just, tomorrow, in this 24-hour news cycle, in this fucking, in this world of just being, us being hammered with bad news, you know, in 240 characters every nanosecond of every day, just, shit just passes. 0.96

02:04:48.000 And they just, they, they played it just so, so beautifully and brilliantly. 0.91

02:04:52.000 And then, almost a year later, we got a call from a friend of Tony Bosch.

02:04:57.000 You guys want to meet with Tony Bosch?

02:04:58.000 He wants to talk to you about doing a documentary.

02:05:01.000 We're like, hell yeah.

02:05:02.000 So we take the meeting.

02:05:03.000 Really interesting guy.

02:05:04.000 We meet with him several times over several months.

02:05:06.000 And then he says, listen, I want to do this interview.

02:05:09.000 He goes, I'm getting sentenced to prison tomorrow.

02:05:13.000 And we knew about that, you know, that the case was ongoing.

02:05:17.000 He said, but look, I expect the judge will give me 45 to 60 days to surrender to complete this drug rehab program I'm in.

02:05:25.000 And then I'm only going to get like a year and a half, two years in prison.

02:05:29.000 And so we could find a couple days before I have to surrender to do this interview.

02:05:34.000 And I'm like, dude...

02:05:36.000 Listen, let's see what happens tomorrow.

02:05:38.000 I was like, depending on how much time the judge gives you, you're going to prison one way or another.

02:05:43.000 Maybe you want to spend some time with your kids, get your affairs in order.

02:05:46.000 Let's make a decision tomorrow whether or not we're going to take two, three, four days out of your life for this.

02:05:52.000 Maybe we'll do it when you get out in a year and a half, two years.

02:05:55.000 Federal, you do at least 80% of your time, but then you can go to halfway house sometimes for a little bit at the end, six months or as long as a year.

02:06:02.000 So he...

02:06:04.000 He goes to court, the judge says, four years, and you have not 45 to 60 days to surrender, but 45 to 60 minutes to surrender.

02:06:15.000 Give me your, you know, take off your belt and your shoelaces and surrender to the BOP. And he did, and so we backburnered it again.

02:06:23.000 Then I got a fucking email from Tim Elfrank, who was the Woodward and Bernstein of the case. 0.73

02:06:27.000 He's the journalist who got the stolen records from Porter Fisher, the whistleblower, and blew the lid off the whole thing at the beginning of 2013. He says to me, Porter Fisher called me, and he's asking me for your number to discuss possibly doing a documentary with you. 0.96

02:06:41.000 And I was like, first of all, like, We sometimes don't make documentaries about things that...

02:06:48.000 We make documentaries about things that happened like 20, 30, 40 years ago.

02:06:51.000 This felt like it hadn't ripened yet.

02:06:53.000 Like it was still a fresh wound, you know?

02:06:55.000 Like people wouldn't be willing to talk.

02:06:57.000 Like you have to kind of wait for more time to pass, you know?

02:07:00.000 And here we are.

02:07:01.000 And I'm not a spiritual guy.

02:07:02.000 I don't really believe in the universe talking to me or anything.

02:07:06.000 But I thought, man, if ever someone was trying to tell us something, it was like, you got to make this documentary.

02:07:12.000 The three...

02:07:14.000 Primary players in this major baseball scandal all independently of each other contacted us within just over a year to talk about doing a documentary about it.

02:07:25.000 Alfred jokes that in Florida when you get out of Prison.

02:07:30.000 Your first call is to your mother.

02:07:32.000 Your second call is to raconteur to our company.

02:07:34.000 To talk about a documentary.

02:07:36.000 And Tony got out.

02:07:37.000 I hit up Tony.

02:07:38.000 I'm like, I'll come visit you in Alabama.

02:07:39.000 How much time did he have to do?

02:07:40.000 He wound up getting a sentence reduction.

02:07:42.000 He did just about two years.

02:07:44.000 And then he was in that camp in Alabama.

02:07:46.000 I wrote him.

02:07:47.000 I said, dude, I'm going to come up and visit you.

02:07:48.000 We can talk about this.

02:07:49.000 He said, I'll be in a halfway house in six months.

02:07:51.000 So let's just meet in Miami.

02:07:53.000 I was like, done.

02:07:53.000 And then when you meet You meet Tony and you see them, their interviews in the documentary, you realize like, well, Alex, this isn't even about Alex.

02:08:01.000 You know, it's like, this is about these guys in this crazy, you know, Carl Hyasson-esque, like Coen Brothers botched robbery-like story.

02:08:10.000 And so like, that was the story we wanted to tell.

02:08:12.000 And that was the Tony Porter part of the story.

02:08:15.000 Well, listen, dude. 0.99

02:08:16.000 You fucking nailed it. 0.99

02:08:17.000 It's a great documentary. 0.99

02:08:19.000 Thank you.

02:08:19.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:08:20.000 I really enjoy all of them. 0.99

02:08:22.000 And just keep on fucking knocking it out of the park, man. 0.98

02:08:26.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:08:26.000 A baseball metaphor. 0.99

02:08:27.000 Thanks, brother.

02:08:27.000 I really appreciate it, man.

02:08:29.000 Thanks for having me, Joe.

02:08:30.000 Give everybody your social media.

02:08:32.000 Tell people how to get a hold of you.

02:08:33.000 At Billy Corbin.

02:08:34.000 B-I-L-L-Y-C-O-R-B-E-N. I'm not the lead singer of Smashing Palcons. 1.00

02:08:37.000 And that's the same on Twitter and on Instagram?

02:08:40.000 Yes.

02:08:40.000 At Billy Corbin Instagram.

02:08:41.000 Same on Twitter.

02:08:42.000 Hit me up.

02:08:42.000 Beautiful.

02:08:43.000 Thanks, brother.

02:08:43.000 Thank you.

02:08:45.000 That was great.

02:08:47.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 25, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1271 - Billy Corben

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