The Joe Rogan Experience - April 03, 2019


Joe Rogan Experience #1277 - Gabrielle Reece


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2 hours and 28 minutes

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27,506

Sentence count

2,586

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65

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In this episode of the podcast, I sit down with a good friend of mine to talk about what it's like to be a podcaster and how to communicate with other people. We talk about the challenges of being on social media, how to deal with feedback, and why it's important to let other people express themselves. We also talk about some of the skills you can develop in order to be able to communicate better with others. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it helps you improve your communication skills. Tweet me and let me know what you think! Timestamps: 0:00 - How do you communicate with others? 6:40 - What do you hold back on? 8:30 - How can I be more honest? 9:15 - How often do I take risks? 11:20 - Should I be a little bit more direct? 13:00 14:00- How do I deal with negative feedback? 15:30- What do I do when I disagree with someone? 16:20- What's the best way to express myself? 17:40- How often should I let someone else express themselves? 18:30 19:15 22:10 - How to communicate? 21:10 What are you going to do when you can't express yourself? 19 - What's your opinion on something? 22 - How should I express yourself better? 23:00 | How to be kinder to someone else? 24: How can you express yourself more effectively? 25:00 + 26:30 | How can someone express themselves on a podcast? 26:00 // 27: Should I let them express themselves more? 27:00 / 28:00 Can you express themselves in a better way? 29:00 & 30: How do they express themselves better on a pod? 30:00 Is it hard to express themselves properly? 35:00 Do you have a good enough idea of how someone else better than I can do that I don't get it? 31:00 What do they have a chance to do that? 36:00 Are you better than me? 32: Is it better than you can I get better at expressing myself better than someone else's thoughts or do I have a better chance of expressing myself more than I do that better than they do that right?

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00:00:06.000 We're good to go.
00:00:22.000 Thanks.
00:00:23.000 You know, I feel like I'm trying to figure that out.
00:00:26.000 Like for a younger person, it's like, oh yeah, well this is how you do it.
00:00:30.000 And for me, I'm like, well, what do you really want to say?
00:00:32.000 And I don't know.
00:00:33.000 I think sometimes I would like to take more chances, but I do play it probably safe.
00:00:38.000 How so?
00:00:39.000 Like in what way?
00:00:41.000 I try to be pretty honest, but sometimes you're always very aware that you just, I'm not interested in getting roasted or spending a lot of time and energy in a hassle with somebody.
00:00:53.000 So I think when I'm doing it, I'm as honest as I can be, but it's also, I'm aware of that.
00:00:59.000 What do you hold back on?
00:01:00.000 Like what kind of stuff?
00:01:03.000 I think for me it would just, maybe you'd just be more, even maybe more direct.
00:01:08.000 But you're, you know, I think When you sort of say, okay, I'm going to occupy this space professionally that feels good to me and I want it to be overall pretty positive.
00:01:22.000 If you're selling something, maybe I'd like to try to sell something positive, but hopefully towards the honest a little bit.
00:01:28.000 And sometimes...
00:01:30.000 When you're doing that, you're also aware that you're not as harsh as sometimes your inner voice is.
00:01:38.000 And so you go, well, am I not being as completely honest and transparent because I don't really want to deal with it?
00:01:44.000 So I'm just saying...
00:01:45.000 Because you don't want to deal with feedback, comments...
00:01:47.000 Yeah, and it's also just people who are frustrated or also they're not getting maybe the nuance or the subtlety of what I'm trying to say.
00:01:56.000 Let's just say that.
00:01:56.000 Social media is not the place for...
00:01:58.000 Subtlety and nuance.
00:02:00.000 Not in the comments, for sure, right?
00:02:02.000 Right.
00:02:02.000 So I want to do stuff that seems pretty real, but hopefully skewed towards either fun or something positive.
00:02:13.000 One of the things that I've recognized from doing a podcast is that some of the frustration when people do lash out, and you're like, this is out of proportion.
00:02:22.000 Some of it is due to the fact that it's very frustrating to just not be a part of the conversation if you disagree.
00:02:29.000 When you're listening to just the fundamental, the act of listening to someone have a conversation, and something comes up, and you're like...
00:02:37.000 But what about that?
00:02:38.000 That's a great point.
00:02:39.000 Well, why don't you say that?
00:02:39.000 And it's like this, you get stuck and you get angry.
00:02:42.000 Yeah, that's a great point.
00:02:43.000 So then you leave a shitty comment.
00:02:44.000 I'm like, God, that guy's a dick.
00:02:46.000 But it's his frustration of not being able to communicate.
00:02:49.000 Interject.
00:02:50.000 It's like your kid who would be like, hey, hey, hey, and they never get to butt in.
00:02:53.000 Yeah, that's a great point.
00:02:54.000 I think you've probably been tempered by doing this and have probably looked at it from a lot of different points of view because you have to.
00:03:03.000 Yeah, you have to.
00:03:04.000 I've tried.
00:03:05.000 Yeah.
00:03:05.000 No, it's been interesting to watch you over the years.
00:03:09.000 I think what's interesting is watching you have an interesting place where you sort of keep a level of neutrality, even though you have an opinion.
00:03:20.000 So you let other people express themselves, whether it's about a religion or a vaccination or whatever.
00:03:26.000 I think that it's been interesting to see you develop that skill even more.
00:03:31.000 Well, it's hard for people to express themselves.
00:03:36.000 Live on a podcast is difficult.
00:03:38.000 It's harder still if you don't allow them to, if you interject.
00:03:43.000 We all know that when you have something you're trying to say and someone talks over you, it's fucking frustrating.
00:03:48.000 And when you're trying to formulate these words and then someone butts in and then you lose it, It's hard.
00:03:54.000 So that's one of the key skills of learning how to communicate with people that I think a lot of people lose is the ability to listen.
00:04:00.000 And also you have to have a good enough memory so you can hold on to what you're going to say and then allow this person to elaborate on their thoughts and then when you give them the respect It's just,
00:04:28.000 um...
00:04:29.000 The only way to find out how someone feels about something is to let them express themselves.
00:04:33.000 And if people get mad that I don't push back, that's not always the best way to find out how a person feels.
00:04:40.000 You've got to let them talk.
00:04:42.000 I want to know the whole thing.
00:04:45.000 I want to know as far into this as you can tell me why you think this.
00:04:51.000 Instead of me just saying, no, you're wrong, I want you to explain it to me.
00:04:54.000 I want to know whether or not I trust your process.
00:04:57.000 Do you bring that skill home with you?
00:04:59.000 Yeah.
00:05:00.000 I mean, you're surrounded by women. 1.00
00:05:01.000 It's tough.
00:05:02.000 It's tough, bro.
00:05:03.000 I'm serious, like sometimes, because I even see it with my own husband.
00:05:08.000 We have three daughters, but I mean, especially, you know, when you have a pretty masculine male, I'm always fascinated to watch them navigate their home when they're surrounded by women.
00:05:20.000 I just give up most of the time.
00:05:22.000 I lose every argument.
00:05:24.000 I think, you know, I tried to, we communicate a lot, a lot of talking, a lot of A lot of feelings.
00:05:31.000 Even if they get upset.
00:05:32.000 A lot of feelings.
00:05:32.000 Yeah, I try to – with girls, it's always – there are always things they're crying about and like, okay, okay, okay, we're going to be fine.
00:05:39.000 And, you know, I don't want them to be like me.
00:05:42.000 I want them to be themselves and I want them to be girls. 0.60
00:05:44.000 I want them to be able to be themselves.
00:05:45.000 I don't want them to mirror my resilience.
00:05:48.000 You know, I want them to be vulnerable if they want to be vulnerable, but – In terms of how I decorate the house, I don't have no say.
00:05:57.000 Oh, no.
00:05:57.000 That's why you have...
00:06:00.000 I have this place.
00:06:01.000 I was going to say, you have your cave here.
00:06:03.000 Laird has a barn.
00:06:04.000 Perfect.
00:06:05.000 When he meets young guys getting married, he goes, here, I'm going to teach you.
00:06:08.000 Okay, you're right, honey.
00:06:09.000 I'm sorry.
00:06:11.000 And oh yes, whatever color you choose.
00:06:13.000 It doesn't always work.
00:06:14.000 Some people, it's never enough.
00:06:16.000 But if you have the right relationship, sometimes it'll work that way.
00:06:19.000 Because I don't give a fuck what my house looks like.
00:06:21.000 I really don't.
00:06:22.000 Do I have a good view?
00:06:23.000 Where's the coffee?
00:06:24.000 Okay, we're good.
00:06:25.000 Is that grill work?
00:06:26.000 Yeah.
00:06:26.000 Okay.
00:06:27.000 How's the bed?
00:06:28.000 That's a good bed.
00:06:28.000 Do we have a TV? Where's the TV? Is it a good one?
00:06:31.000 Oh, it's a good TV. Alright, we're good.
00:06:32.000 We're good.
00:06:33.000 Do I have a laptop?
00:06:34.000 Okay, we're good.
00:06:34.000 Yeah.
00:06:35.000 Yeah, I don't need that much.
00:06:37.000 No.
00:06:37.000 You know, so like when my wife's like, I'm going to put this here.
00:06:39.000 I'm like, okay, put it there.
00:06:40.000 Fantastic.
00:06:41.000 Okay, I want to get that painting.
00:06:42.000 Okay, get the painting.
00:06:42.000 I don't know.
00:06:43.000 I don't know where you want to put it.
00:06:44.000 Yeah.
00:06:45.000 Just put it where it feels right.
00:06:46.000 I don't give a fuck.
00:06:47.000 I think it's smart.
00:06:48.000 I mean, you know, like sometimes if I infringe on if it's functional, then Laird steps in like, you know, that's not really functional.
00:06:56.000 Right.
00:06:56.000 But otherwise, he's like, I'm tearing some stuff out of my house right now and he just gives me a look and I'm like...
00:07:02.000 I'm this age.
00:07:03.000 If I want to do this, support me.
00:07:06.000 And he just laughs and walks out.
00:07:08.000 Yeah, he probably doesn't care.
00:07:09.000 Go ahead.
00:07:10.000 It's in the way.
00:07:11.000 Whatever it is.
00:07:12.000 Whatever.
00:07:12.000 Have fun with it.
00:07:13.000 Yeah, one time's dinner.
00:07:15.000 Women love to decorate things. 1.00
00:07:17.000 I get nervous if a guy's really into it.
00:07:20.000 Well, yeah.
00:07:20.000 It's a nesting trip.
00:07:21.000 Yeah.
00:07:21.000 Guys are, like, really into, like, design in their own house.
00:07:27.000 Like, really, really into it.
00:07:28.000 Like, constantly obsessing about where things are and where they're supposed to be placed.
00:07:31.000 Well, I think they're called homosexuals. 0.82
00:07:33.000 Homosexuals, yeah. 0.97
00:07:34.000 I can't believe you went there.
00:07:35.000 What do you mean?
00:07:36.000 That's outrageous.
00:07:36.000 Is that a stereotypical thing?
00:07:38.000 That is outrageous.
00:07:39.000 Is that racist?
00:07:40.000 That might be.
00:07:41.000 You might have showed your white supremacy.
00:07:43.000 I'm not exactly sure.
00:07:45.000 Yeah, it's a funny thing, right?
00:07:47.000 But if I didn't have this place, though, I don't know if I... Traditionally, men had pool halls they could hang out at or gyms that they would hang out in, and they would get their dose of toxic masculinity.
00:07:59.000 Or a basement.
00:07:59.000 Or a basement.
00:08:00.000 Yeah, you kind of need a place where nobody's touching your stuff.
00:08:04.000 Well, if you live in a house like I do with all girls, too, it's just everything's girly.
00:08:10.000 I just, whatever, I'm fine.
00:08:12.000 Laird said, he's like, I needed to be more specific.
00:08:15.000 I said I wanted to be surrounded by women. 1.00
00:08:17.000 He's like, I didn't mean to be related to all of them.
00:08:23.000 That's hilarious.
00:08:25.000 You know, I think it's nature or God's way of balancing it off.
00:08:28.000 They say if guys have elevated body temperature, so athletes, people who train a lot, that they statistically have a greater chance of having daughters, because I think they hot, we call it hot balls, basically, if it kills off the male sperm.
00:08:44.000 That's hilarious.
00:08:44.000 Is that real?
00:08:46.000 I think so.
00:08:46.000 They did a thing on a bunch of guys, either in the NFL or whatever, and statistically they just have a lot more daughters.
00:08:52.000 Huh.
00:08:53.000 And I think it's like nature's way of going, oh, you're going to be all like moving and active and rah and all this stuff.
00:08:59.000 Guess what?
00:09:01.000 We're just going to put a bunch of girls around you. 1.00
00:09:04.000 Temper you.
00:09:05.000 Balance it out.
00:09:05.000 Because my daughters say things to my husband I could never say as a wife.
00:09:09.000 You know, it's like I see it and I just go...
00:09:33.000 Oh, yeah.
00:09:34.000 And I'd try to, like, well, you know, it's important for moms and dads, because, you know, we have to work at it.
00:09:38.000 I go, you know, you're always going to be dad's daughter.
00:09:41.000 You know, we're working at being a husband and wife.
00:09:45.000 And then she'd keep going with it, and I finally would just say, like, hey, do you want to have Christmas in separate houses?
00:09:51.000 And I'd see her think for a second, like, well, maybe, you know.
00:09:54.000 And I'm like, we need alone time.
00:09:57.000 Do I get two presents?
00:09:58.000 Yeah, that's what I mean.
00:09:59.000 She was processing that.
00:10:00.000 She was like, well, I'd miss you, but I don't know, you know.
00:10:04.000 So it's all that dance, you know?
00:10:06.000 Yeah.
00:10:07.000 Because daughters, man, they don't miss a trick. 1.00
00:10:09.000 And they're on you and they're on their dad like nobody's business.
00:10:12.000 Well, my friends that have sons, the way they say it is, it's like you take one of two things.
00:10:16.000 Either you have this wild animal that's tearing things apart or you have someone who's screaming and crying about something you don't understand.
00:10:22.000 Yeah.
00:10:23.000 Take your pick.
00:10:23.000 Mental judo.
00:10:24.000 Yeah, a mental destroyer or a physical destroyer.
00:10:27.000 Yeah, walls with holes and broken bones, boys and girls.
00:10:32.000 It's like, I have learned so much being a mother to daughters.
00:10:36.000 And I've been around women my whole life. 0.81
00:10:37.000 You figure playing volleyball, being around tons of women, it's very different as a parent. 0.99
00:10:41.000 I mean, I've learned the most, especially teenagers.
00:10:44.000 Watching them grow is so strange.
00:10:47.000 It's such a strange experience watching a person figure out the world from jump.
00:10:53.000 Out the womb, figure out the world. 0.99
00:10:56.000 It's so educational.
00:10:59.000 I don't think everyone should have children.
00:11:02.000 I'm not one of those zealots that tells everybody, hey, you're not alive until you have a kid.
00:11:04.000 No, I think it's unfair to say that to people.
00:11:06.000 It is unfair.
00:11:07.000 First of all, a lot of people can't.
00:11:09.000 Right.
00:11:10.000 And maybe they have just a different path.
00:11:12.000 I always tell my girlfriends, too, it's unfair also to romanticize Like to your friends who either opted not to have children or whatever, met a partner too late or didn't or whatever.
00:11:23.000 Because I think it is a really rich...
00:11:26.000 I mean, there's nothing like it.
00:11:28.000 I mean, I love my children.
00:11:29.000 But I had one friend, she was like, got married later, and she's like, you know, we're going to adopt.
00:11:35.000 And she was also doing a new business and I was like, listen, I need to come.
00:11:40.000 I want to talk to you.
00:11:41.000 And she also liked to consider taking naps occasionally.
00:11:44.000 I was like, if you think you're going to adopt and you're going to have a 12-year-old that's like, hey, I really appreciate you guys.
00:11:49.000 Thank you so much.
00:11:50.000 I go, that's not what...
00:11:52.000 If you think you're going to have a kid and it's going to make you happier, that's not what having a kid is.
00:11:57.000 I think it makes you...
00:12:00.000 It makes you know yourself better in a different way, and you can adapt and do something different.
00:12:06.000 But I think when people sort of sell that bill of goods, like, oh, you've got to have kids.
00:12:10.000 It's like, well, do you want to have kids?
00:12:12.000 I think it's, like you said, not for everyone.
00:12:15.000 You definitely shouldn't adopt if you think it's going to be easy. 0.98
00:12:17.000 That's what I mean.
00:12:18.000 She had this romantic idea of like, and I go, you know, first of all, you don't know where the kid is coming from, and then also you have a romantic, I think every parent going into it has a romantic idea.
00:12:30.000 I did, and I'm a pretty realistic person of like, I'm going to do all these things right, and we're going to be running in sunflower fields together, and my kids are never going to think my music sucks or I can't drive.
00:12:43.000 And then you realize, I had a friend tell me, everyone gets their turn in the barrel.
00:12:47.000 No matter what you do, you have to navigate stuff.
00:12:52.000 You're going to have to deal with stuff.
00:12:54.000 Yeah.
00:12:54.000 And on the other hand, it's awesome when someone does adopt people, if they're really into it, if they know what they're getting into.
00:12:59.000 And those martyrs out there and those people that are just super kind and generous and love to adopt children, God bless them.
00:13:06.000 Yeah.
00:13:07.000 I'm so glad they're there.
00:13:08.000 Yeah.
00:13:08.000 It's just, I agree with you that there are some people that have a romanticized idea of what it's like to raise a child.
00:13:14.000 It's unfair, too, to sell it.
00:13:16.000 Like, I love the moms. 0.99
00:13:16.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:13:17.000 So when are you going to have number two or whatever to somebody?
00:13:19.000 It's like, oh, you know that they're behind closed doors doing, you know, like, they just want everyone to be in the psychoticness with them.
00:13:27.000 Like, I have three kids.
00:13:28.000 You should have three kids, you know?
00:13:30.000 There are people like that, right?
00:13:32.000 They do.
00:13:32.000 Yeah.
00:13:33.000 There's people that have a kid and then immediately take this moral high ground.
00:13:36.000 Like, they're doing something.
00:13:37.000 They're an adult and you're just a fool.
00:13:40.000 Yeah.
00:13:40.000 You're like, I wonder who is the fool.
00:13:43.000 I ask myself that sometimes.
00:13:45.000 Yeah.
00:13:45.000 Well, don't you think you're a better person for raising kids?
00:13:49.000 Does it make you feel like you're more in tune and nicer and just more aware of what it means to be a human?
00:13:58.000 Yeah, not only that, I feel like it's a forced exploration if you're trying to participate.
00:14:08.000 Like, if you just lay down the lawn and go, hey, in this house, this is how we do it, then you're not doing anything.
00:14:14.000 But I think if you learn to adapt and also go, wow, I was doing that wrong for like 10 years.
00:14:23.000 Amazing.
00:14:24.000 You know, like one of my daughters...
00:14:26.000 At 12 or 13, sort of revealed some stuff about what she was unhappy about, about my parenting.
00:14:32.000 And I was like, God, I've been doing that for a long time.
00:14:37.000 So I think it's...
00:14:41.000 Yeah, it's so cool.
00:14:43.000 I wanted to hear that when she was 30 at the Thanksgiving table when she moved out. 1.00
00:14:48.000 I was like, what?
00:14:50.000 You're supposed to reveal all that after you move out.
00:14:52.000 And then I go, oh, did I do that?
00:14:54.000 Sorry.
00:14:55.000 Look, it turned out great.
00:14:57.000 It's amazing.
00:14:57.000 Give mommy a hug.
00:14:59.000 What time's your flight?
00:15:00.000 No, I think...
00:15:02.000 No, listen, it's a surrender.
00:15:05.000 I think for me it's been a real surrender because I just think – you think you're in control of stuff and you think, oh, I've got some discipline and work ethic.
00:15:14.000 I can just work my way through it or power my way through it.
00:15:17.000 And then you realize, like, no, you have to surrender.
00:15:21.000 And also it's not just about solving it quickly and – Yeah, it is.
00:15:28.000 I know myself certainly better, but also it forces you, if you're willing to, to really expand.
00:15:34.000 And it is uncomfortable.
00:15:36.000 Yeah.
00:15:36.000 Well, I've been really fascinated by the life that you guys live in Hawaii.
00:15:43.000 Because I've always had this idealized, like one day, move to the big island, just chill on the side of a mountain, stop fucking around, fly out to do gigs, but live out there where everything's just more relaxed.
00:15:56.000 Is it okay?
00:15:57.000 Yeah.
00:15:58.000 You know, there's a lot going on.
00:16:00.000 And, like, the Big Island is obviously big.
00:16:02.000 That's a city.
00:16:03.000 Yeah, no, it's big.
00:16:04.000 Well, not the Big Island.
00:16:05.000 Yeah, Oahu has...
00:16:06.000 It's sort of like L.A. on the beach.
00:16:07.000 But, you know, there's a couple things.
00:16:09.000 I think because it is a primal environment.
00:16:12.000 Like, we live on Kauai, which is pretty heavy-duty as far as it's quiet.
00:16:17.000 There's not a lot of distraction.
00:16:19.000 There's a really heavy-duty nature.
00:16:22.000 And...
00:16:25.000 And I grew up in St. Thomas on the Virgin Islands, so I was used to kind of being on an island, but you're with yourself a lot.
00:16:35.000 So if you have things to do that are, you know, productive, then it's perfect.
00:16:42.000 But what you have to always calibrate is, like, the downtime, or, like, it's been raining off and on for, like, over a year on Kauai, and Whoa.
00:16:52.000 Yeah.
00:16:52.000 So after a while, it'd be like Seattle in that way where people...
00:16:55.000 It starts getting heavy.
00:16:56.000 But it's sunny too, right?
00:16:58.000 It can be.
00:16:59.000 That's the weirdest thing about the islands is that there's different climates on this island.
00:17:04.000 The big island has...
00:17:06.000 It has a desert.
00:17:07.000 It has tropical rainforest.
00:17:09.000 It has a volcano.
00:17:10.000 It has all this snow.
00:17:12.000 I think it has every weather climate except Arctic.
00:17:18.000 I believe at least Maui and the Big Island have sort of every type of climate.
00:17:24.000 It's crazy that just a little bit further down, it'll be different.
00:17:26.000 It'll be raining constantly.
00:17:28.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:17:28.000 Or you just go to the other side and it's completely dry.
00:17:30.000 Or they have dwarf trees because they never see the sun, but then they're 200 feet in the places that it's sunny.
00:17:38.000 It's pretty trippy.
00:17:39.000 And you could drive around the whole thing.
00:17:41.000 How many hours does it take you to drive around the big island?
00:17:43.000 Oh, the Big Island?
00:17:44.000 I don't know, like four hours or something like that?
00:17:46.000 The whole thing.
00:17:46.000 I think so.
00:17:47.000 That's crazy.
00:17:47.000 Maybe a little more.
00:17:48.000 Yeah.
00:17:48.000 You like the Big Island.
00:17:49.000 Love it.
00:17:50.000 Interesting.
00:17:51.000 I like Maui.
00:17:52.000 You do?
00:17:52.000 That's my favorite.
00:17:53.000 Every island's different.
00:17:54.000 They're all, their personalities are different.
00:17:55.000 But I like it.
00:17:57.000 I mean, we've been doing this for over 23 years.
00:17:59.000 When I met Laird, he was, big waves sort of come in winter.
00:18:03.000 So when low pressures bring snow, like to the rest of the mainland, that low pressure can also bring big waves.
00:18:09.000 Mm.
00:18:10.000 And then my season was summer, so we sort of went back and forth.
00:18:13.000 And that's a really good blend.
00:18:15.000 Because you can come to California and be like, oh, it's a busy world.
00:18:18.000 I can see a lot of people.
00:18:20.000 I can learn stuff.
00:18:21.000 I can do stuff.
00:18:23.000 And then it also makes you appreciate, when you go back to Hawaii, you're like...
00:18:29.000 Clean air, really clean water, very beautiful place.
00:18:33.000 Some of the ways, the ideas about the way they live there, it's simple, in a good way.
00:18:38.000 I don't mean that in any way, like a derogatory.
00:18:41.000 It's like, they're not angling and trying to get somewhere.
00:18:44.000 It's like, no, we're living.
00:18:46.000 But it can be also a really hard place.
00:18:49.000 A really hard place.
00:18:51.000 How so?
00:18:52.000 Well, I think...
00:18:54.000 And you're also talking about a warrior culture, right?
00:18:57.000 Polynesians.
00:18:58.000 So you have, like, this very intense love and, you know, when they talk about the aloha spirit, generosity, like this, and then they're very powerful people as well.
00:19:12.000 And sometimes, if they're not living in their most natural way that they were supposed to, and then you couple it with, you know, there's not a ton of opportunities there.
00:19:24.000 It's hard to live there.
00:19:25.000 It's far away.
00:19:25.000 It's expensive.
00:19:28.000 And sometimes, you know, it sounds cliche, but it's like we really do as human organisms either need to be busy.
00:19:36.000 So like, okay, working from sunup to sundown for our food, which is how it used to be.
00:19:40.000 And then you're just so tired, you just go to bed and it's pretty simple and let's just survive it.
00:19:44.000 Or in the world that we live in now, it's like, how do we get people doing things that are kind of productive?
00:19:49.000 And you think, oh, I just would sit on the beach and look at the mountain.
00:19:53.000 And it's like, yeah, and after a while you get bored.
00:19:55.000 And if you're a warrior, You're either going to go, you know, do something with that that is good for you, or you might not.
00:20:04.000 So, I think there's a lot of that there.
00:20:08.000 I've learned a lot from that culture.
00:20:11.000 But, I mean, they're a pretty powerful group.
00:20:16.000 Yeah.
00:20:18.000 You know, it can go the other way pretty quick, where it's, you know, if there's drugs and alcohol or, you know, beefing and, like, it's all that.
00:20:28.000 So it's...
00:20:29.000 Yeah, that was really disturbing when I found out how much drug abuse there is on some of the islands.
00:20:33.000 Yeah, crystal meth especially.
00:20:34.000 Sad.
00:20:35.000 Well, again, it goes back to boredom.
00:20:37.000 Think about when your kids have to stay home for one day.
00:20:40.000 And now we have all the internet and all this stuff, so now you sort of think, oh, the rest of the world has a perfect, they're all busy and doing fabulous, perfect things.
00:20:51.000 And it's hard.
00:20:53.000 You've got to find people that you're like, let's do something.
00:20:55.000 Let's go.
00:20:56.000 I mean, can you train alone every single time?
00:20:59.000 No.
00:20:59.000 So you'd have to have a tribe of people that are like, let's go do this activity.
00:21:05.000 And sometimes it's not that easy.
00:21:07.000 Paul, did you say there's 70,000 people on the island?
00:21:11.000 On Kauai, yeah.
00:21:11.000 Kauai's probably the least inhabited.
00:21:14.000 It's the oldest island, so it has the most erosion, largest beaches, and that's where Laird grew up.
00:21:22.000 And it's a really...
00:21:25.000 Lanai is the least inhabited of the islands, isn't it?
00:21:27.000 Well, yeah.
00:21:28.000 It's not that I don't count it.
00:21:30.000 Yeah, I mean of the bigger islands.
00:21:32.000 Yeah, Molokai, man, you don't mess with Molokai.
00:21:35.000 No?
00:21:35.000 No, that's like, you've got to ask permission to go hang out over there.
00:21:40.000 Really?
00:21:41.000 Oh, kind of.
00:21:41.000 Yeah, it's cool, though, because it's like, you know, they'd be like, no, you're out.
00:21:46.000 You've got to go.
00:21:47.000 Really?
00:21:48.000 Totally.
00:21:49.000 It's great.
00:21:50.000 So it's just the people that live there?
00:21:52.000 You can't, like, move to Molokai?
00:21:53.000 Yeah, I mean, like, you know, Eddie Vedder has a place on Molokai.
00:21:56.000 Does he?
00:21:57.000 Yep.
00:21:57.000 And he has had for many, many years, but I think he probably asked if that was going to be cool.
00:22:02.000 Oh, wow.
00:22:03.000 That's interesting.
00:22:04.000 Yeah.
00:22:05.000 And it's beautiful.
00:22:06.000 Yeah, I have some friends that just went hunting there.
00:22:08.000 Yeah, beautiful.
00:22:09.000 Yeah, they hunted axis deer on Molokai.
00:22:12.000 Yeah, it's a beautiful place and the people are amazing, but it's not like, oh, I'm just going to buy a house there or build a house.
00:22:19.000 There's no way.
00:22:19.000 No way?
00:22:20.000 No way.
00:22:20.000 Wow, that's interesting that these different islands have their own rules.
00:22:25.000 Well, Nihiao, you can't go there. 1.00
00:22:28.000 You're not even allowed to go?
00:22:29.000 No.
00:22:29.000 I didn't even know that was an island.
00:22:31.000 Yeah, it's off of Kauai.
00:22:32.000 Can I say it again?
00:22:32.000 Nihiao?
00:22:33.000 Nihiao, yeah.
00:22:34.000 Wow.
00:22:34.000 Get rid of that?
00:22:37.000 Jamie's a big fan of Nihihau.
00:22:39.000 He looks like he's been to Nihihau.
00:22:41.000 They probably have the largest percentage of Hawaiians there.
00:22:49.000 So it's cool.
00:22:50.000 I mean, pretty cool.
00:22:51.000 That's got to be a great view.
00:22:53.000 I've found that there's a big difference between the culture of, say, Maui versus the culture of Lanai.
00:23:00.000 Lanai is more island-y to me, whereas Maui seems a little bit gentrified.
00:23:06.000 Well, also the wind, because Maui's so windy, it brought all the Europeans in the 80s to windsurf. 1.00
00:23:12.000 So you also have not only mainland U.S. and then Japanese culture, you know, 80s, now you're talking about Europeans for wind and windsurfing.
00:23:23.000 So it has a lot going on.
00:23:25.000 I think Maui, it was almost like a surprise how quick it developed, and they never had a chance to get on top of it.
00:23:32.000 Oh, that's interesting.
00:23:33.000 If that makes sense.
00:23:33.000 That does make sense.
00:23:34.000 Yeah.
00:23:34.000 It's so populated.
00:23:36.000 And it's also like so, it's so LA, it's so Beverly Hills.
00:23:40.000 I lived there for 13 years with Laird.
00:23:42.000 Yeah, there was a wave there that Laird was having a love affair with for many years.
00:23:46.000 So we lived there with, you know, so he could be close to his girlfriend, for sure.
00:23:50.000 That's so strange.
00:23:51.000 No, every boy needs their girlfriend.
00:23:53.000 Every boy needs a wave.
00:23:54.000 They do.
00:23:54.000 Well, you know, just something, that's what I always think is...
00:23:59.000 Kind of natural is, at least for my experience, is, like, I don't know if you ever go through this when you go home.
00:24:07.000 Laird will go out and surf for many hours.
00:24:10.000 Like, he can go out for five hours at a time, if there's surf.
00:24:13.000 And he comes home, and I see how happy he is, like, to see us.
00:24:17.000 Like, he loves us.
00:24:18.000 He's like, oh, my girls, you know?
00:24:19.000 And then about, I don't know, seven and a half, eight minutes in, And he starts to get this look on his face like, oh yeah, I'm in the house with the family.
00:24:30.000 I wanted to do a book years ago called Death by Domestication because it's like, how does he manage both of those sides?
00:24:39.000 I need to go.
00:24:40.000 I need to be free.
00:24:41.000 I need to chase things.
00:24:43.000 Scare myself and do all this stuff and then comes home and is on the floor laying with one of my daughters and being attentive and a great husband and all these things.
00:24:55.000 But I always get amused a little bit by the push-pull.
00:24:58.000 Yeah, well, especially I think with the big wave surfer mindset, like a type of person, those are like some of the freest, wildest humans on the planet.
00:25:08.000 It's a very unusual group of people that rides giant waves of water on the top of the ocean.
00:25:15.000 I mean, that's a crazy thing to dedicate your time to.
00:25:18.000 Really stop and think about it?
00:25:20.000 I tried not to think too much about it because I did marry him, but there's some stuff.
00:25:26.000 And weirdly, he's been doing this so long that you realize he's actually even more different than some of the other guys.
00:25:35.000 Because if you think about it, he's sustained doing this for, right now, 40 years.
00:25:40.000 So he's a guy who...
00:25:44.000 He has both.
00:25:45.000 So what he wants to do is ride a huge wave during the day and then be with his family at night.
00:25:49.000 And sometimes, you know, it would take going, you know, halfway around the globe or whatever.
00:25:53.000 And so I think the pursuit and they have to wait a lot.
00:25:59.000 That's the other thing.
00:26:00.000 These things don't come around that often.
00:26:04.000 It's very interesting to live with because...
00:26:09.000 There's a little bit of suffering that goes on.
00:26:12.000 And sometimes Laird will say to me, because he's aware of time going by, he'll be like, you know, I have a lot more waves I need to ride.
00:26:17.000 And I'm like, I know.
00:26:18.000 Like, it's a pretty deep calling.
00:26:22.000 And now that, I mean, he's been foiling for 25 years, but now that they are getting that equipment better, it's sort of like, now we can ride places that we couldn't ride, that were not really attractive for riding on top of the surface of the water, even if you towed it.
00:26:37.000 So now it's opened up a whole other pursuit for him.
00:26:41.000 What has changed?
00:26:42.000 I don't know why you would go towards that, though.
00:26:46.000 Like, Laird has put me on a ski in front of a wave that's like 60 feet.
00:26:49.000 Right.
00:26:50.000 Yeah.
00:26:50.000 And like being on the back of a ski with him driving, there's a moment where you go, okay, I actually, and I'm sure you've experienced this with other friends that take you maybe on a flying or something.
00:27:01.000 He is, this is what he does, right?
00:27:03.000 So I'm like, okay, I trust him more than I'm afraid.
00:27:07.000 That's fine.
00:27:08.000 I can do that.
00:27:08.000 And I'm going to surrender to that.
00:27:10.000 I'm not going to torture myself the whole time.
00:27:12.000 I'm just going to trust him.
00:27:13.000 And you turn and there's a six story building behind you moving.
00:27:18.000 And you just think, how is that fun?
00:27:24.000 How is saying, I'm going to actively ride that?
00:27:31.000 But now with the foils, because they're actually catching the energy below the surface of the water, What are the foils?
00:27:37.000 I'm not familiar with those.
00:27:55.000 And put a snowboard boots, bindings, quick release.
00:28:00.000 So you'd stand on it, you're booted in, and below is this, basically a mini airplane with a strut.
00:28:05.000 So, for example, yeah, there's a shot of one.
00:28:08.000 And this is a smaller one.
00:28:10.000 Jamie, do you have any ones of the big with the boots?
00:28:12.000 This is what people are using?
00:28:16.000 Did you know about this?
00:28:18.000 I've seen it.
00:28:19.000 Wow.
00:28:19.000 He knows about everything.
00:28:20.000 What are you talking about?
00:28:21.000 He's plugged in.
00:28:22.000 He's plugged in.
00:28:23.000 Look at him.
00:28:24.000 Do you have a girlfriend?
00:28:27.000 Whoa, what happened to this dude's head?
00:28:29.000 Oh, yeah.
00:28:30.000 So there's Laird on the left, obviously.
00:28:32.000 So you see how they're in the boots?
00:28:33.000 And also, the reason he looks so puffy is he has flotation underneath his wetsuit.
00:28:40.000 So if you hit your head or what have you.
00:28:41.000 But it's basically a miniature airplane underneath the surface.
00:28:46.000 And if he gets into trouble, if they wiped out...
00:28:50.000 They have a quick release, but now they've gotten this developed so that he can do it without the boots.
00:28:57.000 Because that adds an element of danger that Because you're strapped in.
00:29:01.000 You're strapped in and your strut is four feet long.
00:29:06.000 Wow.
00:29:07.000 That's so strange looking.
00:29:09.000 Yeah.
00:29:10.000 And what's going on below the surface?
00:29:11.000 So there's a miniature airplane.
00:29:13.000 Jamie, do you have any pictures of it flipped up?
00:29:15.000 I'm sure if you look on Laird's stuff, you can see the bottom.
00:29:18.000 It's like a miniature airplane because water is denser than air, so it's sort of like a miniature plane.
00:29:24.000 And it is.
00:29:25.000 The Oracle guys that do those boats have made foils for Laird.
00:29:30.000 So that's what it looks like.
00:29:31.000 Yeah, so those are kind of more low performance ones.
00:29:35.000 When you see the high performance, they, I mean, you know, it's aerodynamics, hydrodynamics, it's all of that.
00:29:43.000 So now what you're doing is, because there's energy below the surface moving.
00:29:48.000 So we think of a wave like pushing and dropping, but there's actually the energy, circular energy below.
00:29:54.000 So now you've got the foil that can ride that, but you're not, you don't have drag.
00:29:57.000 Oh.
00:29:58.000 So, like, they can go, there's a wave on Kauai where they're going over, you know, 50, they go about 50, they can get up to 52 miles an hour.
00:30:07.000 Jesus!
00:30:08.000 So imagine if you did something, well you've dedicated yourself to martial arts, but then there's a new way to do it.
00:30:16.000 And so he's been doing the big stuff for 25 years, but now they're getting the equipment right that he can ride, ways that actually wouldn't be that great, but now they're super fun.
00:30:26.000 Oh, wow.
00:30:27.000 So it makes him excited and he still pursues it.
00:30:31.000 And that's on Kauai right there.
00:30:33.000 And see how it's not even breaking where he rides it?
00:30:36.000 Yeah.
00:30:36.000 No drag.
00:30:38.000 Correct.
00:30:38.000 And it's actually riding the energy below the surface, which, you know, for him, he's just interested in what's the most efficient way.
00:30:48.000 I mean, look at that.
00:30:49.000 You'd never, in regular surfing, be able to ride that.
00:30:55.000 Wow.
00:30:57.000 That looks like so much fun.
00:30:59.000 Yeah.
00:30:59.000 You're flying!
00:31:00.000 That's what they say.
00:31:02.000 That's incredible.
00:31:02.000 It's the difference, right?
00:31:03.000 So they're flying.
00:31:04.000 So that's, I think, kept him interested.
00:31:07.000 But, you know, his pursuit of this is, it's pretty...
00:31:14.000 It's a pretty interesting relationship to watch.
00:31:17.000 I think it's important.
00:31:19.000 I mean, as a female, for me, I think playing volleyball helped me understand, like, having a pursuit.
00:31:25.000 You know, like, something like, I gotta go do that.
00:31:29.000 And I think it's something about living with a person who has a pursuit other than, like, I need a bigger war chest or whatever.
00:31:38.000 That can be really cool.
00:31:42.000 When you're riding that thing and there's the little airplane under the water, is there any risk of something thinking that airplane is a fish?
00:31:52.000 No.
00:31:53.000 Animals are pretty smart.
00:31:54.000 Are they?
00:31:55.000 Yeah.
00:31:55.000 I mean, I know sharks don't have great vision, and I think Laird has hit a turtle, not done anything but grazed it or something, but those animals are pretty smart.
00:32:10.000 But I was thinking of sharks.
00:32:11.000 No, that's what I mean.
00:32:12.000 Or like maybe a marlin that thinks it's a fish.
00:32:16.000 Yeah, I don't think they want to have anything to do with that thing.
00:32:20.000 Just the speed and the shape.
00:32:22.000 And also, a lot of those animals don't want to get in that turbulent...
00:32:26.000 It's still near a wave.
00:32:27.000 But you know what?
00:32:29.000 Maybe...
00:32:30.000 You never know.
00:32:31.000 And if I hear of a story, I will definitely call you and tell you.
00:32:34.000 Please do.
00:32:34.000 Because I'll be like, a marlin came out.
00:32:36.000 But those guys are smart.
00:32:37.000 All those animals, you know.
00:32:39.000 Marlins are smart? 0.80
00:32:39.000 Well, I mean, usually, I know sharks, again, don't have great sight, but they're not like, huh. 0.80
00:32:45.000 I think they understand what's, most times, what's food.
00:32:50.000 Obviously, shiny things and things like that, but...
00:32:52.000 But there are instances of people getting hit by sharks, right?
00:32:55.000 And Hawaii is a big one, isn't it?
00:32:57.000 Yeah, I mean, Australia is worse as far as like more and South Africa is really a lot of sharks.
00:33:04.000 No, Hawaii has their share, but nothing crazy.
00:33:10.000 There's a story that happened like three weeks ago in Kauai in Hanalei Bay.
00:33:13.000 This guy, great surfer, finishes his ride, jumps off his board, and jumped onto a shark.
00:33:18.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:33:20.000 And the shark like turned, I guess, and sort of, he was a firefighter, this guy, and like grazed his leg and split.
00:33:28.000 And I think it's just a reminder that sharks ultimately really don't want to have anything to do with you.
00:33:34.000 I mean, maybe hammerheads may be a little more aggressive.
00:33:36.000 Bull shark is the most, because I think, right, they have the most amount of testosterone of any animal.
00:33:41.000 They're the ones that can go to fresh water, too.
00:33:43.000 Yeah, the bulls.
00:33:44.000 So they're sort of more actively aggressive, but I mean, I don't think a shark, you're not good eating.
00:33:49.000 I watched a television show where they found bull sharks way up the Illinois River.
00:33:55.000 That'd be scary.
00:33:56.000 Whatever river it is in Illinois, I don't know what river it is, but they found them deep in fresh water.
00:34:01.000 Yeah.
00:34:02.000 These sharks make their way all the way from the ocean.
00:34:05.000 And Jamie, do you see anything about the testosterone?
00:34:07.000 I think of any animal, they have the largest amount of testosterone or something like that.
00:34:11.000 They're mean little fuckers. 1.00
00:34:12.000 Yeah, they are.
00:34:12.000 They're responsible for the actual news incident that influenced the creation of the movie Jaws.
00:34:19.000 Oh, really?
00:34:20.000 Yeah.
00:34:21.000 It happened in a river in New Jersey.
00:34:23.000 In Jersey, can you imagine?
00:34:25.000 A river, like a freshwater river.
00:34:26.000 These people are getting murdered by sharks.
00:34:29.000 Oh, really?
00:34:30.000 Yeah.
00:34:30.000 I didn't know that.
00:34:31.000 Yeah, that's what it was based on.
00:34:33.000 They didn't know that these fuckers can swim way up into freshwater. 1.00
00:34:37.000 And they just got a hold of people?
00:34:39.000 Got a hold of a few people.
00:34:40.000 Yeah, because those buggers are a little more aggressive. 0.99
00:34:42.000 Yeah, they're supposed to be the most aggressive, right?
00:34:44.000 Yeah.
00:34:45.000 But I think, you know, for me with the sharks, like, even Jaws impacted me with that soundtrack.
00:34:50.000 And I was living in the Caribbean.
00:34:52.000 And it's just like, I don't know.
00:34:54.000 My kids, whenever my one daughter's like, oh, can I get this movie on sharks?
00:34:58.000 I'm like, no.
00:34:59.000 Because we live in Hawaii.
00:35:00.000 Like, you can't be watching that stuff.
00:35:03.000 Shark testosterone, myth busted.
00:35:05.000 Oh, it is?
00:35:06.000 Scientific American, yeah.
00:35:07.000 Oh, it's not real?
00:35:08.000 No.
00:35:08.000 Okay.
00:35:09.000 Yeah.
00:35:09.000 Sounded good, though.
00:35:10.000 It did, didn't it?
00:35:11.000 Yeah, much more likely.
00:35:12.000 What are you, I'm a bull shark, you know?
00:35:14.000 Yeah.
00:35:15.000 But a tiger shark would sound even meaner.
00:35:16.000 Mm-mm.
00:35:17.000 No?
00:35:18.000 Well, bulls are meaner than tigers.
00:35:20.000 Yeah, they say bull and hammer are more aggressive than tiger.
00:35:24.000 Oh, yeah?
00:35:25.000 Laird and my daughter, Reese, just went...
00:35:27.000 Do you know Mike Muller at all?
00:35:28.000 Photographer, shoots sharks...
00:35:31.000 I know who he is.
00:35:32.000 Okay, he does amazing stuff.
00:35:34.000 But they go and they dive.
00:35:36.000 So he took Reese and Laird and they went for like four days.
00:35:39.000 And they go in the cage with the Great Whites out at the Galapagos. 1.00
00:35:43.000 And they said it's pretty far out.
00:35:45.000 You should do that sometime.
00:35:47.000 Fuck that.
00:35:48.000 Come on.
00:35:49.000 I've seen those movies where the shark gets mad and fucks up the cage.
00:35:51.000 Yeah, but people are probably doing stupid things.
00:35:53.000 Maybe.
00:35:54.000 Maybe I'm stupid.
00:35:55.000 No, seriously.
00:35:57.000 You'll do things like where guys hit each other in the head, but you won't go sit in a cage.
00:36:00.000 That seems normal to me.
00:36:01.000 They say that once you see them under, that you have a different feeling, though.
00:36:06.000 It's not that you're not as scared, but you just see them a little differently, not just like a predator.
00:36:14.000 It's as you can see the pupil, their eye, and everything.
00:36:17.000 Did you hear that Canada, they're banning whale and dolphin captivity?
00:36:22.000 Yeah.
00:36:23.000 I think it's great.
00:36:24.000 I think it's great, too.
00:36:25.000 It apparently just passed.
00:36:27.000 I mean, how about Blackfish?
00:36:28.000 One documentary, and it kind of, I think, initiated a movement.
00:36:33.000 Oh, for sure.
00:36:34.000 People didn't know.
00:36:35.000 They needed to see it in a digestible form.
00:36:37.000 Instead of having to go seek it out and read articles about it and news reports, instead of that, they get to see it in a very digestible form.
00:36:45.000 You go, oh my god, this is chaos.
00:36:46.000 This is horrible.
00:36:47.000 This is an atrocity.
00:37:00.000 It's crazy!
00:37:27.000 Yeah.
00:37:28.000 Did it eat it?
00:37:29.000 Yeah.
00:37:30.000 Okay, good.
00:37:30.000 Well, that's what I... I mean, listen, that's the thing about nature, right?
00:37:34.000 It's kind of brutal, but it's not personal.
00:37:36.000 Like, the seal...
00:37:37.000 Right.
00:37:38.000 You know, the whale's not like, you know, that seal gave me kind of a funny look.
00:37:41.000 Right.
00:37:41.000 I'm gonna go and give it to him.
00:37:43.000 It's like, oh, there's some food.
00:37:44.000 Did you ever see the one when they're on the iceberg?
00:37:46.000 Mm-hmm.
00:37:46.000 And they look, oh, that bugger's still holding on.
00:37:48.000 Yeah.
00:37:48.000 And they push it again.
00:37:49.000 I mean, they're smart.
00:37:50.000 That was a mother teaching its calves at a hunt, too.
00:37:52.000 Smart.
00:37:53.000 That she was setting it up, like, showing, like, you can make them slide.
00:37:56.000 Like, watch this.
00:37:56.000 Look, slide.
00:37:58.000 Well, I was listening to my friend Steven Ranella's podcast, and he was talking about the difference in the orcas in the Puget Sound, and that there are local orcas, which are essentially salmon specialists, and they don't eat animals, they don't eat marine mammals,
00:38:14.000 but then there are other ones that travel into the area, and they are marine mammal specialists.
00:38:20.000 So all they eat is like seals and things along those lines, and they have a totally different...
00:38:26.000 Totally.
00:38:27.000 They don't understand each other.
00:38:28.000 They don't interact with each other.
00:38:30.000 How's that?
00:38:31.000 Every pod has its own language.
00:38:34.000 It's crazy.
00:38:36.000 They put a whale in captivity once and it was not eating because they didn't know it was a seal-eating whale, not a fish-eating whale.
00:38:45.000 And so Laird and I used to joke, can you imagine like, okay, Susie and Billy, we're going to go watch the, you know...
00:38:51.000 The orca, Shamu, and then the trainers there throwing it seal, that would not work out well.
00:38:57.000 Like, yay, do that trick again.
00:38:59.000 Yeah, give it a slab of cute little animal. 1.00
00:39:01.000 Yeah, no.
00:39:02.000 So they're very complex.
00:39:04.000 Yeah.
00:39:05.000 Well, if it didn't exist, it would be way more interesting than Bigfoot.
00:39:10.000 Yeah.
00:39:11.000 Everybody's like so into Bigfoot being real.
00:39:14.000 I don't get Bigfoot.
00:39:15.000 Can you talk to me about that?
00:39:16.000 Sure.
00:39:19.000 What's the concept of Bigfoot?
00:39:21.000 I mean, I know, okay, it's a big hairy guy, but I mean, really?
00:39:24.000 Come on, what is it?
00:39:26.000 Most likely there was interaction between human beings and something called the Gigantopithecus for thousands and thousands of years.
00:39:35.000 It's a giant bipedal hominid that existed in Asia that was between 8 and 10 feet tall.
00:39:41.000 It was real.
00:39:42.000 And it was basically in like the orangutan family.
00:39:45.000 It looks almost orangutan-like, but enormous.
00:39:47.000 And that was a real thing.
00:39:48.000 And they didn't find out about this until like the 1920s.
00:39:51.000 They found a tooth in an apothecary shop in China.
00:39:55.000 And an anthropologist examined this tooth.
00:39:57.000 It was like, where the fuck did you get this?
00:39:59.000 And they took him to the site and they dug up more things and bones and jawbones and they determined from the jawbone.
00:40:05.000 I'm sorry if I'm fucking any of this up, scientists.
00:40:07.000 But they determined from the jawbone that they think it was bipedal, that it stood up on two legs.
00:40:12.000 And so then they said, well, how big would this thing be?
00:40:15.000 And then in the proportionate...
00:40:17.000 Yeah, like the femur bone.
00:40:18.000 Have you ever seen what a real one looks like?
00:40:19.000 Yeah.
00:40:20.000 Sometimes when they say, like, oh, up in Michigan, I'm like, is it really, like, what are they seeing?
00:40:25.000 Bullshit.
00:40:26.000 Most of it is people seeing shadows in the trees and they want to believe it's Bigfoot and they're seeing bears that are walking on two legs.
00:40:33.000 But if there was a thing, what's really interesting is that's where it would be.
00:40:37.000 Because if it did come across the bearing land bridge like they believe humans did...
00:40:43.000 If that did happen, the many animals navigated from there to here that way, that's where Alaska and the Pacific Northwest, that would be the natural path.
00:40:55.000 And then if you think about how densely wooded that area is, that would be a natural habitat for something that's hiding from people.
00:41:01.000 The problem is you can't really hide from shit anymore.
00:41:04.000 It's just too hard.
00:41:05.000 They'd see you from space, right?
00:41:07.000 Something would catch you on a trail camera.
00:41:10.000 There's trail cameras that are everywhere.
00:41:12.000 Did you see a guy and his father got caught poaching a mother bear in her den?
00:41:21.000 Ew.
00:41:39.000 It's horrific.
00:41:40.000 It's horrible.
00:41:40.000 Camera that was right behind them that was observing this whole area where this bear was denned in.
00:41:49.000 They have these trail cameras now that are incredibly accurate.
00:41:52.000 They're so high definition, super clear, and the audio's clear.
00:41:57.000 They would catch one of those fucking things.
00:41:59.000 If there was something out there, they would see something.
00:42:01.000 But I think there is something to be said for the Tooth Fairy and...
00:42:09.000 Thinking we don't know everything.
00:42:10.000 Like the magic of stuff unknown and behind.
00:42:14.000 I mean, for me it doesn't have to be Bigfoot, but I love the idea that we haven't seen everything, we don't know everything.
00:42:22.000 And obviously we know that with space and who knows, you know, dimensions and time and universe, but something mythical is pretty fun.
00:42:31.000 Well, what's interesting is that there was a bunch of different kinds of humans.
00:42:34.000 That's what's interesting.
00:42:35.000 And they found these bones in Russia.
00:42:37.000 I think they call them the Denisovans.
00:42:41.000 This is within the last 10-15 years.
00:42:44.000 They found a completely different species of humans that lived in Russia.
00:42:47.000 They found those little people on the island of Flores.
00:42:50.000 That was only like 10 years ago.
00:42:52.000 I mean, there's probably dozens more that they just haven't uncovered somewhere.
00:42:56.000 So, if there was, at one point in time, some big, giant hominid, it's totally possible. 1.00
00:43:02.000 Just don't think...
00:43:03.000 He would have to eat so much to be alive today.
00:43:08.000 It's like a bear!
00:43:09.000 You find bear shit everywhere.
00:43:11.000 Where's the gorilla shit?
00:43:12.000 Where's the Bigfoot shit?
00:43:15.000 Whatever it is.
00:43:16.000 Is it eating plants?
00:43:17.000 Is it eating animals?
00:43:18.000 What the fuck is it eating?
00:43:19.000 It's got to eat a lot.
00:43:21.000 A lot.
00:43:22.000 That's a big thing.
00:43:23.000 I only have a six foot something husband at home and he eats a lot.
00:43:25.000 A lot.
00:43:26.000 A lot.
00:43:27.000 Surfing all day?
00:43:28.000 I bet that dude can put it down.
00:43:29.000 He can put it down.
00:43:30.000 Do you eat a lot?
00:43:31.000 I eat a lot.
00:43:32.000 You do?
00:43:32.000 I eat preposterous amounts of food.
00:43:34.000 Now, do you eat big each meal or do you sort of go, okay, dinner, end of day, what's your big meal?
00:43:40.000 Just how you're feeling?
00:43:41.000 Yeah, it depends.
00:43:42.000 Like sometimes I have giant meals for dinner, but sometimes if I worked out too hard at night, I'll have a giant breakfast.
00:43:47.000 Right.
00:43:48.000 I just do whatever I feel like doing, but I definitely always have intermittent fasting.
00:43:53.000 It's at least six days a week.
00:43:55.000 I take 16 hours off.
00:43:56.000 One day I don't give a fuck.
00:43:57.000 It's amazing how much food we don't really need.
00:44:00.000 Yeah, it is amazing.
00:44:01.000 I used to eat way too much and like way too much protein and stuff when I was playing and going through different phases of training.
00:44:10.000 Now, do you go into like autophagy and do all that too?
00:44:13.000 No.
00:44:13.000 Oh, okay.
00:44:14.000 No.
00:44:15.000 Want to explain that to people?
00:44:17.000 Yeah, well, yeah, it's just one sort of step, just a deeper step when you do a little bit intermittent fasting is if you don't start the digestive process, so if you just had, you can have water and caffeine, you can't have fats and things like that.
00:44:34.000 Yeah.
00:44:36.000 The theory is that whatever cell dysfunction you have, you kind of can rinse out kind of three times the amount, the process of when you do intermittent fasting.
00:44:48.000 So it can be a really effective way when you're intermittent fasting to say, okay, I'm going to pick this four-hour window.
00:44:55.000 For most people, it would probably be between like three and seven or two and six.
00:45:00.000 And I'm going to eat, and then the rest of the time, I'm not going to.
00:45:03.000 So it's very close.
00:45:04.000 It's just sort of one more twist they can put on it.
00:45:07.000 I think it's like A-T-O-P-O. So that's a 20-hour fasted window every day.
00:45:14.000 Yeah, and I have a friend who is doing it pretty regularly, and he looked different.
00:45:18.000 Really?
00:45:19.000 Yeah.
00:45:19.000 In a good way?
00:45:20.000 Yeah.
00:45:20.000 No, he did.
00:45:21.000 He shifted his body composition a little bit.
00:45:23.000 And it was interesting.
00:45:25.000 And there's some interesting data.
00:45:26.000 I'm sure Jamie can give you the download on it.
00:45:29.000 Yeah, autophagy.
00:45:31.000 It's just sort of like one notch higher.
00:45:32.000 It's not fun.
00:45:33.000 But, you know, like for me, it would have to be kind of, I would want to eat between one and five.
00:45:41.000 I could do without it the rest of the time.
00:45:44.000 And you can have, like I said, caffeine and water.
00:45:47.000 It's incredible what a pull mouth pleasure has.
00:45:50.000 Like, my kids bought these Entenmann's cupcakes.
00:45:54.000 Entenmann's?
00:45:54.000 That's like old school, yeah.
00:45:55.000 Yeah, old school, but they are bullshit, these cupcakes.
00:45:58.000 They're like those chocolate, frosted things.
00:46:01.000 Oh yeah, with the white on top?
00:46:02.000 Yeah, with the little white squiggly, and the inside is a cream-filled.
00:46:06.000 Goddamn, it was delicious.
00:46:07.000 But while I was eating it, I was like, what the fuck are you eating, man?
00:46:10.000 This is all nonsense.
00:46:11.000 You shouldn't even be touching this.
00:46:12.000 No, but you can't do that.
00:46:13.000 I think once you...
00:46:15.000 Because we're pretty strict.
00:46:16.000 Laird's a little more strict than I am.
00:46:19.000 I think if you're going to eat that cupcake...
00:46:22.000 Enjoy it.
00:46:23.000 I think even having that small conversation with yourself is a colossal waste of time as you shove it in your mouth and it goes down.
00:46:32.000 Because that's so human, right?
00:46:34.000 It's like, I shouldn't be doing this, but here I go.
00:46:37.000 I'm naughty.
00:46:37.000 Why?
00:46:38.000 I shouldn't.
00:46:40.000 I think it's important to do it and enjoy it, but yeah, that's not food.
00:46:44.000 I don't know what that is.
00:46:46.000 Yes!
00:46:47.000 This thing can live for like 800 years.
00:46:49.000 The thing is, we had eaten and I was full.
00:46:51.000 But that looked so good.
00:46:53.000 Like, if someone had cut a piece of steak and put it in front of me, I'd be like, I'm good.
00:46:56.000 I'm stuffed.
00:46:57.000 I'm stuffed.
00:46:58.000 But I saw that cupcake. 0.76
00:46:59.000 I was like, look at that motherfucker.
00:47:00.000 The only thing with kids are like, I can't eat anymore.
00:47:02.000 What's for dessert?
00:47:03.000 I have a separate space for that.
00:47:07.000 That doesn't change because we're older.
00:47:09.000 I still have a separate space.
00:47:10.000 It's just, you know, try not to use it so much.
00:47:13.000 Well, they say that for people that are in, like, competitive eating competitions, too, that, like, you can still eat fries, because fries are, you don't like fries?
00:47:20.000 No, I just had the vision of a guy shoving it in the water, and then the bun and the hot dog, and then, like, you know, squeezing it down.
00:47:28.000 Yeah.
00:47:28.000 But that you can eat fries because, what, it's not protein?
00:47:31.000 Yeah.
00:47:31.000 No, it's the saltiness and the carbs.
00:47:35.000 You could still eat.
00:47:36.000 You can always eat another carb.
00:47:38.000 Yeah, like if you ate a steak, right?
00:47:40.000 And that steak was a big 18-ounce ribeye.
00:47:43.000 You ate the whole thing.
00:47:44.000 But then you see those fries.
00:47:46.000 Oh, look at those fries. 0.76
00:47:47.000 And you dip them in some ketchup.
00:47:49.000 You could keep eating.
00:47:50.000 You could eat another 1,000 calories.
00:47:51.000 Well, that's when you're in that food trance.
00:47:55.000 You get in those food trance.
00:47:56.000 I get in those food trances.
00:47:58.000 Yeah.
00:47:58.000 I mean, you have people.
00:47:59.000 I have friends that like...
00:48:01.000 You know, if you have any, like, thing out on the counter that's snackish, like, you have it for the kids, right?
00:48:05.000 And you have friends that come to visit and say hi, and they're kind of fidgety, and all of a sudden they're just, like, eating everything, and you just look at them like, bro, like, you're in a constant food thing, like, trance, snack it, like, don't have snacky, you know, anything around.
00:48:17.000 They can't help themselves.
00:48:18.000 Oh, no, cannot.
00:48:19.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:48:20.000 No, I, but I find it easier.
00:48:22.000 I don't know if you found it easier.
00:48:23.000 Like, I had, I used to have a really heavy chocolate trip, heavy, like, I used to have a chocolate drawer, like, the whole thing.
00:48:31.000 A drawer?
00:48:32.000 No, for real.
00:48:33.000 Like, every kind of chocolate.
00:48:34.000 Like, I'd open it.
00:48:35.000 And it wasn't like a thin drawer.
00:48:36.000 It wasn't like a silverware-width drawer.
00:48:38.000 It was like a deep drawer with every kind of chocolate.
00:48:43.000 And I mean, stress, yeah, bust out the chocolate, you know, whatever, right before your time.
00:48:47.000 Chocolate.
00:48:48.000 Kid walks in the room, they're saying something, you're like, chocolate, you know.
00:48:51.000 So I had every kind.
00:48:53.000 Does it work?
00:48:54.000 It does, but then I stopped eating it as much, and now it's like I don't even really want it as much.
00:48:59.000 It's weird.
00:49:00.000 It's kind of a bummer.
00:49:01.000 You know what I really, really love?
00:49:02.000 Dark chocolate with peanut butter.
00:49:04.000 Oh, yeah.
00:49:05.000 Take some dark chocolate and jam it into some like Jiffy.
00:49:08.000 Oh, yeah.
00:49:09.000 Some Skippy.
00:49:10.000 Some bullshit peanut butter.
00:49:11.000 I like the crunchy stuff, too.
00:49:13.000 So, yeah, because the healthy stuff, somehow the oil and the stuff is separate.
00:49:17.000 You need that stuff that has those unknown chemicals to make it really smooth.
00:49:22.000 You're like, this is natural peanut butter.
00:49:23.000 This isn't good.
00:49:24.000 It's not smooth.
00:49:24.000 Look at that.
00:49:26.000 I know, you have to, with natural peanut butter, you gotta get that fucking butter knife in there.
00:49:30.000 You ever try to make a sandwich, school lunch, you rip a hole in the bread.
00:49:34.000 Yeah, it's annoying.
00:49:35.000 Yeah, no, forget it.
00:49:36.000 It's either too dry or too oily.
00:49:38.000 Yeah, it doesn't work.
00:49:38.000 It's never perfect.
00:49:39.000 And you can't make a sandwich with it.
00:49:40.000 It's hard.
00:49:41.000 You gotta stir for, you gotta commit to a five minute stir before you ever even think about putting that shit on your bread.
00:49:48.000 Absolutely.
00:49:49.000 Hey, so you know, I was thinking I wanted to invite you, you could bring whoever you want to come pool training with us.
00:49:53.000 What's pool training?
00:49:54.000 What do you guys do?
00:49:56.000 Jamie, can you pull up like pool training or XPT pool training?
00:50:01.000 XPT. What does that stand for?
00:50:02.000 This is another thing that we do, but this is like a 12-year-old form of training.
00:50:07.000 We built this pool, and Laird, you know, is always trying to, you know, athletes in their off-season, and...
00:50:14.000 We were like six of our friends.
00:50:17.000 We built this huge pool in there.
00:50:18.000 It's like, okay, take some dumbbells and go down.
00:50:22.000 There's Kyle.
00:50:23.000 Kyle Kingsbury.
00:50:24.000 Yeah, your big boy.
00:50:24.000 That's my boy.
00:50:25.000 And he wears his little suit, the little gold suit.
00:50:28.000 Anyway, this is all the shallow stuff, but there's deep water.
00:50:33.000 That girl didn't get going. 1.00
00:50:35.000 They have dumbbells in their crotches. 1.00
00:50:37.000 Look at Kyle.
00:50:39.000 This is when he was a little bigger still, yeah?
00:50:42.000 Do we have...
00:50:43.000 What is the idea behind...
00:50:44.000 Okay, so there's deep water, like you're 13 feet, you have weights.
00:50:50.000 Ballistic training, no punishment to your joints.
00:50:59.000 Oh, interesting.
00:51:00.000 So they're doing cleans in the ocean, or in the pool, rather.
00:51:03.000 Yeah, this is all shallow.
00:51:05.000 There's some deep water stuff.
00:51:07.000 And I'm not sure why that guy is doing a little...
00:51:11.000 You drop the dumbbell all the way down to the bottom.
00:51:14.000 You can.
00:51:14.000 So you have drag and stuff like that.
00:51:16.000 And also it's lighter in the water and heavier out.
00:51:18.000 But this is not the stuff.
00:51:19.000 I mean, this is all good.
00:51:20.000 It increases your lung capacity and things like that.
00:51:22.000 But there is a deep water element.
00:51:25.000 So you can be ballistic and you can do all this stuff.
00:51:28.000 And you don't pound your joints.
00:51:31.000 Mm-hmm.
00:51:54.000 George St. Pierre actually did a lot of that in training for his last fight.
00:51:57.000 He did a lot of his work in the pool.
00:51:59.000 So here's the deeper stuff.
00:52:01.000 I see.
00:52:02.000 So you can like...
00:52:02.000 And what's cool about this too is...
00:52:08.000 Is that you have to moderate your breath because it's very straightforward.
00:52:13.000 Air, no air, air, no air.
00:52:15.000 For people that are just listening to this, we're looking at these guys.
00:52:19.000 It's probably like a nine-foot pool.
00:52:21.000 They have dumbbells in their hands.
00:52:23.000 They drop all the way down to the bottom and then let their knees go to full bend and then with their butt to their heels and then jump right back up.
00:52:34.000 And pop out of the water, get a deep breath, and then go right back down again.
00:52:38.000 So you're constantly leaping through the water to go to the surface again.
00:52:42.000 And see how the skin ripples?
00:52:43.000 So I actually think it's really attractive when you're a girl too, I just want to tell you that.
00:52:46.000 Oh wow, that's crazy.
00:52:47.000 Is that, think about this, I actually think, so you're in compression, so you've got those benefits, right?
00:52:52.000 And I think your tissue, like your fashion, everything gets kind of rolled almost in every set.
00:52:59.000 With that ripple?
00:53:00.000 I think so.
00:53:01.000 And they're more shallow, and then there's deeper and things like that.
00:53:06.000 But there's probably about 35 exercises that we've come up with.
00:53:08.000 Oh, wow.
00:53:09.000 Laird made us all his crash test dummies.
00:53:12.000 But it kind of makes you feel like a million bucks, but you can bust your butt on it.
00:53:19.000 Right, but you're not getting the pounding.
00:53:21.000 Well, that's it.
00:53:21.000 I already have a fake knee.
00:53:22.000 Do you really?
00:53:23.000 Yeah.
00:53:24.000 When did you blow it out?
00:53:25.000 Well, it was an ongoing since my 20s, and then finally at 46, I got it replaced.
00:53:32.000 Wow.
00:53:32.000 What is the difference?
00:53:34.000 Now?
00:53:35.000 Yeah.
00:53:36.000 Oh, so much better.
00:53:37.000 Is it?
00:53:38.000 Yeah, I used to sleep with my good leg underneath my knee trying to open my knee joint because it felt like hot metal touching.
00:53:46.000 And then your foot gets heavy.
00:53:49.000 You lose a lot of your function.
00:53:51.000 I tried everything, like stem cell and PRP. You try everything because you don't want to be getting a fake knee.
00:53:57.000 And then after a while I was like, I'm sure there'll be something better in ten years, but right now let's just do it.
00:54:02.000 So we went in the same day.
00:54:04.000 We actually, Laird got his hip done the same day and I got my knee done.
00:54:07.000 How did Laird injure his hip?
00:54:10.000 Repetitive trauma.
00:54:11.000 I mean, you know, Laird is now 55. He was 52 when he got his hip, and he's tough on his body.
00:54:20.000 I mean, he's tough on his body.
00:54:22.000 And then if you're like doing isometric loading when the foiling, that one hip's taking a hit, it's the back leg.
00:54:28.000 It's, you know, it's a lot of load.
00:54:30.000 It's amazing, though, that he's gotten back to surfing at the same level.
00:54:35.000 It's, he's, he's very unique.
00:54:38.000 You know, he, you know, he says that everything he does, like his relationships, what he reads, what he eats, what he spends time doing is all to enhance him to perform.
00:54:52.000 And his, you know, a ton of people like this, his ability to deal with discomfort, he has a very good relationship with discomfort.
00:54:59.000 So his training and stuff, it's, A lot of those guys wind up injuring themselves because of that mental toughness.
00:55:06.000 But he's really smart.
00:55:09.000 Well, you're not his age and foolhardy.
00:55:12.000 He's not like, let me show you what I can do.
00:55:13.000 He's a guy who can call it.
00:55:15.000 He's a guy who can go, yeah, no, it's not a good idea.
00:55:17.000 So when they do the hip, they have to put that rod through the center of the hip and then put the new joint on the outside?
00:55:24.000 He stayed awake.
00:55:26.000 They did a local and he left the hospital at 3 o'clock that day.
00:55:29.000 Wow.
00:55:30.000 It's carpentry.
00:55:31.000 They whack out the joint.
00:55:33.000 That's so crazy.
00:55:33.000 The doctor's huge.
00:55:35.000 It's not fine surgery.
00:55:37.000 It's like carpentry.
00:55:38.000 And he stayed awake because the guy's like, okay, you can handle it.
00:55:41.000 You know, the noise or whatever.
00:55:43.000 Yeah.
00:55:46.000 So he, same time.
00:55:50.000 And then he was gone out of the hospital.
00:55:53.000 Wow.
00:55:53.000 And how long did it take to rehabilitate?
00:55:56.000 Not long.
00:55:57.000 I mean, once the incision closed, he could go out in the water.
00:56:00.000 Wow.
00:56:01.000 So what's that, 10 days?
00:56:03.000 Hips are pretty cool.
00:56:04.000 That's crazy that they can do that now.
00:56:06.000 I had a buddy who did that, Graham Hancock.
00:56:08.000 He did that six weeks later.
00:56:09.000 He was here.
00:56:10.000 And he told me after he was walking around, I was saying hi to him.
00:56:13.000 He said, I had my hip replaced.
00:56:15.000 And I go, when?
00:56:15.000 He goes, six weeks ago.
00:56:16.000 What the fuck are you talking about?
00:56:18.000 You're just walking?
00:56:18.000 You just don't want to play golf.
00:56:20.000 You walk out of the hospital that day.
00:56:21.000 Oh, golf's a bad thing?
00:56:22.000 Well, let's say if you were loading your hip that you load into, you might want to not do that right away.
00:56:29.000 Sounds weird, but...
00:56:30.000 That makes sense.
00:56:30.000 Yeah.
00:56:31.000 Yeah, like you'd put a weird torque on it.
00:56:33.000 Yeah.
00:56:33.000 I know guys have gotten back to jiu-jitsu with bad hips.
00:56:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:56:37.000 Back to rolling and training again.
00:56:39.000 You know, what they basically tell you is you don't want to do anything you wouldn't want to do with your real joint.
00:56:44.000 The guy's like, so if you ever get into a car accident, you wouldn't want your knees to go back and in towards your hip.
00:56:49.000 It's like, okay, well, I don't think I'd want that to happen with my natural hip.
00:56:53.000 So I think they're pretty good.
00:56:54.000 Is it significantly weaker?
00:56:56.000 No, not at all.
00:56:57.000 Not at all?
00:56:57.000 So he can do basically everything?
00:56:59.000 He can do everything.
00:57:00.000 Wow.
00:57:01.000 That's crazy.
00:57:02.000 And he had a pretty wicked limp.
00:57:04.000 The two of us were limping around for like two years.
00:57:05.000 It was really cool.
00:57:06.000 People are like, hey, you guys are those like athletes, right?
00:57:09.000 That couple of them were like hobbling around.
00:57:11.000 We're like, yeah.
00:57:11.000 Yeah.
00:57:12.000 Stay right there.
00:57:13.000 We'll be right there.
00:57:13.000 It was just like brutal.
00:57:15.000 Our kids were like, what are you going to do?
00:57:17.000 Like, I'm just going to run away, you know?
00:57:19.000 I'm going to run away.
00:57:21.000 Stop it! 0.99
00:57:21.000 Right there, you know? 0.99
00:57:22.000 What can you do now with your knee?
00:57:24.000 Can you do all the things that you used to be able to do?
00:57:26.000 Can you run?
00:57:27.000 Yeah, it would be a bummer for jujitsu guys because kneeling is kind of not the best.
00:57:31.000 Like if you said, I'd give me a million bucks cash.
00:57:33.000 Right now, child's pose, I'd be like, ugh, that's tough.
00:57:36.000 Really?
00:57:36.000 Yeah, that's tough.
00:57:38.000 What part hurts?
00:57:40.000 I think for me, it's also part of my biomechanics that the tissue on my quads is probably like beef jerky from jumping all those years.
00:57:51.000 So that's something I'm always working on.
00:57:53.000 So maybe a more flexible person going in would have more mobility in that bent position.
00:57:58.000 But you get a hard finish on it, on the joint.
00:58:01.000 But I think...
00:58:02.000 It's pretty amazing what you can do.
00:58:05.000 It's pretty far out.
00:58:07.000 Can you sidestep and stuff like that?
00:58:08.000 Oh yeah, I could play volleyball if I wanted to.
00:58:10.000 Wow!
00:58:10.000 Yeah, you can jump and land and be hard on it.
00:58:12.000 Really?
00:58:13.000 Do plyos and stuff.
00:58:14.000 Yeah.
00:58:15.000 So they basically say just do stuff that you would do normally with your knee.
00:58:19.000 Yeah, I mean, yes, be intelligent.
00:58:22.000 Like, you probably wouldn't want to go, oh, I'm an ultramarathoner now.
00:58:25.000 Right.
00:58:26.000 Because you might wear your joint out in, like, two years.
00:58:28.000 Right.
00:58:29.000 But I think if you said, I really like to run, but I'll go on the grass or the sand barefoot, probably better.
00:58:36.000 Stuff like that.
00:58:37.000 But that's what you want to do again anyway.
00:58:39.000 Yeah.
00:58:40.000 You know, running's pretty tough on you.
00:58:41.000 Yeah, and it's not just tough on your knees.
00:58:43.000 It's tough on your back.
00:58:44.000 It's tough on everything.
00:58:45.000 You're running on a hard surface.
00:58:46.000 Seven times your body weight, right?
00:58:47.000 Like each step.
00:58:48.000 I mean, unless you're built, like when you see those people that are built to run.
00:58:53.000 Yeah.
00:58:53.000 It's perfect.
00:58:54.000 Yeah, so that was sort of, I think that's what's interesting about being, when these people go, oh, I'm an athlete.
00:59:00.000 And then it's like, and some days, I'm sure you feel this way.
00:59:04.000 It's like, I feel so unathletic or so...
00:59:12.000 I have friends that came into training late and all their joints are all perfect and they work perfectly.
00:59:20.000 Sometimes I've felt a little bit beat up.
00:59:23.000 Laird's been beat up a lot, but he kind of trains his way out of it big time.
00:59:28.000 Now, when you guys are on Kauai, is there a lot of resources in terms of places to train or physical therapists or any of that kind of stuff?
00:59:37.000 No.
00:59:38.000 I think the other islands like Oahu and Maui, they would certainly have it.
00:59:41.000 I actually, this group that owns this business there let me use a warehouse and I taught a class three days a week for free, a dollar.
00:59:51.000 So they were covered under my insurance because we have so little...
00:59:56.000 We have a gym and stuff, but the community on the north didn't really, so I started doing that three days a week to get people.
01:00:06.000 There was like a hundred of us at the same time.
01:00:08.000 It was really cool, because they don't have really great facilities.
01:00:15.000 What a weird place to live.
01:00:18.000 Is it?
01:00:18.000 It's kind of badass.
01:00:19.000 But don't you think, like, when I go to New York City with Laird, he looks there and he looks at the buildings and he's like, why do people do this to themselves?
01:00:25.000 Like, we've gotten twisted around, like, you're like, Kauai, what a weird place to live.
01:00:29.000 Right.
01:00:30.000 But in a way, it's probably closer to how we're meant to live.
01:00:34.000 Oh, for sure.
01:00:35.000 You know, stacked up on top of each other.
01:00:37.000 But having said that...
01:00:40.000 Yeah, compared to the other parts of the world.
01:00:42.000 I mean, and it's remote.
01:00:43.000 Like, you're out there.
01:00:44.000 I think besides Easter Island, it's like the most remote place in the world.
01:00:48.000 Wow.
01:00:49.000 Yeah.
01:00:51.000 Really?
01:00:51.000 That's interesting, but it makes sense.
01:00:53.000 Yeah, it's far.
01:00:54.000 I mean, you know, they navigated there and they said that the water sea level was lower so that they could see more land when the Polynesians sailed there, but it's a pretty interesting contrast to living in Malibu,
01:01:10.000 let's say.
01:01:11.000 But then in a way not, because you're surrounded by nature.
01:01:14.000 Right.
01:01:15.000 Yeah, I think it's probably a far more healthy way to live.
01:01:18.000 I just know that a lot of people do get that island fever and they can't take it.
01:01:22.000 They want to get the fuck off.
01:01:24.000 Yeah, and when you have a family, like when our kids were young, it's like you're doing the same thing.
01:01:28.000 You're taking them places, you're making dinners, you're making lunches.
01:01:30.000 So in a way, you're just doing sort of everyday things in a really pretty place.
01:01:35.000 And also, you probably live a little simpler.
01:01:37.000 It's got to be better for you in terms of like the amount of stress that you experience and the beauty of nature is very calming and soothing and probably therapeutic and beneficial.
01:01:49.000 Yeah, but it's that reminder.
01:01:52.000 I mean, this has been the thing for me.
01:01:54.000 It's like, you could have all that at your access, but if you haven't dealt with yourself, or if you feel miserable, it sort of doesn't really matter.
01:02:04.000 And I think that that kind of place points it out really quick.
01:02:07.000 Where when you live in a busy place, you can distract yourself from yourself, and you can be like, oh, there's traffic, and I have stuff to do, and I'm busy.
01:02:14.000 I'm a busy person.
01:02:14.000 I'm at an office.
01:02:15.000 I do all this stuff.
01:02:16.000 And when you're there...
01:02:19.000 You can't blame really the traffic.
01:02:21.000 You sort of have to go, oh, that's right.
01:02:24.000 So it's an interesting thing of when we talk about health or beautiful places and things like that, it still always comes back to yourself.
01:02:34.000 And like, have I made myself happy?
01:02:38.000 Am I doing things that make me feel good?
01:02:40.000 Things like that.
01:02:41.000 So I think what's really great about that place is that gets clear real quick.
01:02:45.000 Do you guys have real internet out there?
01:02:48.000 Totally.
01:02:49.000 Like legit internet?
01:02:50.000 I mean, we had dial-up till about 18 months ago.
01:02:52.000 For real?
01:02:53.000 No.
01:02:53.000 No.
01:02:55.000 But I mean, do you have high-speed internet like it is in America?
01:02:58.000 I think we're like 5G-ing it or whatever.
01:03:00.000 What?
01:03:00.000 They've got that blanket over us there.
01:03:02.000 What is it?
01:03:02.000 The mind control 5G net or whatever?
01:03:05.000 Everybody's worried about that.
01:03:06.000 I know.
01:03:06.000 That's the latest conspiracy theory.
01:03:07.000 I have a friend freaking out about it.
01:03:09.000 5G? Well, we did read something about they do have the ability.
01:03:13.000 It does have an effect on human brains, right?
01:03:15.000 Well, that's what I mean.
01:03:16.000 It's like pretty serious.
01:03:17.000 We're going to do ourselves in one day with innovation.
01:03:20.000 We're going to keep going.
01:03:21.000 Absolutely.
01:03:22.000 Until one day we've...
01:03:24.000 I think that's the way that it goes, right?
01:03:27.000 Like, you get so smart that you de-evolve.
01:03:30.000 When I was a kid, we had a mad magazine, and I'll never forget it.
01:03:33.000 I was like 11 years old, and there was a sketch of this explosion in space.
01:03:38.000 And it was like two aliens talking, and they were looking at this explosion, you know, millions of miles away, and they go...
01:03:44.000 Oh, they said smart beings lived there, you know, pretty much.
01:03:49.000 I mean, I think that in a way we're probably, I mean, we do a lot with water and air and things like that, but it is interesting to see.
01:03:58.000 I'm always fascinated that people will do stuff for money.
01:04:02.000 Like guys running companies and they go, well, it's okay about the pollution or the byproduct.
01:04:07.000 And you go, yeah, but your kids or your grandkids are going to, like money's not going to protect you from, if the climate goes bizarre.
01:04:16.000 Yeah, but they feel like someone else is going to fix that.
01:04:18.000 They do?
01:04:18.000 I just got to get this money.
01:04:20.000 You think?
01:04:20.000 Got to get that money.
01:04:21.000 Yeah, I think it's just compartmentalization.
01:04:24.000 They just don't think about the...
01:04:25.000 Also, they're a part of a corporation.
01:04:27.000 Right, and everybody just does their little task.
01:04:30.000 Right, but it does trick me out.
01:04:32.000 Like, you know, we say the rain falls on everyone's house.
01:04:35.000 Like, it's coming for everybody, no matter how much cheese you have.
01:04:38.000 Well, it's also the effect that we've had on it has been over this window of 100 years.
01:04:43.000 It's not that long, and it's a massive effect.
01:04:46.000 I mean, unbelievably massive effect on the environment.
01:04:49.000 It's just a short window of time in terms of, you know, when...
01:04:53.000 I'm sure you saw Jiro Dreams of Sushi.
01:04:56.000 Did you see that?
01:04:57.000 Yeah, of course.
01:04:57.000 Great, right?
01:04:58.000 Yeah.
01:04:58.000 But when they're sitting around talking about the fish markets back in the day, we'd get so much more tuna.
01:05:04.000 Like, one day...
01:05:05.000 It's fished out.
01:05:06.000 This is when you're alive, man.
01:05:07.000 So when this guy's...
01:05:08.000 During his lifetime, it went from abundance of tuna to being almost fished out.
01:05:13.000 Yeah.
01:05:13.000 And they're not slowing down.
01:05:15.000 Sushi's everywhere.
01:05:16.000 Yeah.
01:05:17.000 I know.
01:05:17.000 What we've done in 30 years is pretty far out.
01:05:19.000 It's crazy.
01:05:20.000 I know.
01:05:21.000 It's crazy.
01:05:22.000 I know.
01:05:23.000 It's funny because my kids, I don't know if you see this with your kids, it's like, I think they're pretty aware of it.
01:05:30.000 And they...
01:05:33.000 I think that they go flip and flop between feeling like the adults are poorly behaved and they're left to the pile of, you know, of our bad decisions.
01:05:46.000 And also, like, my one daughter's like, do you think it'd be okay to be like a militant environmentalist?
01:05:52.000 You know, and she's like six feet tall, and I'm like, that'd be fantastic. 1.00
01:05:54.000 You know, like...
01:05:55.000 Sea Shepherd on steroids.
01:05:59.000 So I think it's going to be interesting to see what the next group, because they're obviously really different.
01:06:06.000 They don't want big, giant houses and all that stuff that my generation and your generation thought.
01:06:13.000 So you think the new generation is different in their values and what they think?
01:06:16.000 I do, right?
01:06:17.000 They say that they give more, they volunteer more.
01:06:22.000 I think the tricky thing for them is going to be connection and being able to be connected and being able to have real conversation and even be able to concentrate long enough to be with somebody.
01:06:36.000 Because of devices?
01:06:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it's far...
01:06:38.000 could you imagine right now if you were 20?
01:06:40.000 No.
01:06:41.000 And being like dating and swiping and trying to pay attention and...
01:06:45.000 Or even 10. You know, my daughter is one of the few girls in her class that doesn't have a cell phone. 1.00
01:06:49.000 What's the age that do they get them?
01:06:51.000 They've had them since they were like seven.
01:06:54.000 No, I mean, what's the rule in your house?
01:06:56.000 There's a debate right now.
01:06:58.000 We're trying to figure it out.
01:06:59.000 Well, okay, so you have a 10-year-old going to be 11. Yeah, I think that they say there's like a movement, wait till 8th.
01:07:06.000 Yeah, you heard that?
01:07:07.000 Yeah, like 10 kids in the class.
01:07:09.000 All the parents agree, so they're not the only person in the class that doesn't have it.
01:07:13.000 But it's not that way with my daughter's kids.
01:07:15.000 The kids in her class, most of them have phones.
01:07:18.000 Most parents just give the kid a phone.
01:07:19.000 Yeah.
01:07:21.000 Have you read any of Jonathan Haidt's stuff, The Coddling of the American Mind?
01:07:27.000 Yeah, of course.
01:07:27.000 And that is just so disturbing when you see the amount of, especially young girls that are growing up depressed, cutting themselves, self-harm.
01:07:35.000 What's that like 400% he said?
01:07:37.000 Like from 10 to 14?
01:07:39.000 Something crazy like that.
01:07:40.000 Like something insane?
01:07:41.000 Massive spike that directly coincides with the invention of smartphones and social media.
01:07:45.000 Yeah, the slot machine.
01:07:46.000 Yeah, it's this thing where people are just trying to get likes and trying to leverage their social status.
01:07:54.000 And try to pretend that they're living in a perfect world to everybody around them and everyone else is doing it.
01:07:59.000 And people look at other people's lives being perfect and they reflect upon their own.
01:08:02.000 They get depressed.
01:08:03.000 There's just so many factors that kids didn't have to deal with just a decade or so ago.
01:08:08.000 It's really, really new.
01:08:09.000 And it's never off, right?
01:08:10.000 Like, at least if I had a hard time at school, I could go home and have a reprieve from it at least overnight.
01:08:15.000 I think for me, that's been a thing with my kids is like...
01:08:20.000 Especially daughters. 0.99
01:08:21.000 I understand that gaming is different for boys and pornography and things like that and that whole trip of rewiring their brain.
01:08:28.000 But I think with girls, it's like How do you get them to hear their own voice? 0.99
01:08:38.000 I don't know how they're going to get to a place where they...
01:08:40.000 It's like this weird mishmash of like, me too, and then never before have people objectified themselves more because they get that positive affirmation.
01:08:52.000 I always say, if I put out really smart ideas, if I'm a young woman, Oh, I have a thousand followers.
01:08:58.000 Every shot is of my butt.
01:09:01.000 I have 10 million followers.
01:09:02.000 So we have this mixed message going on, which is like...
01:09:06.000 I'm angry, me too, treat me equal simultaneously to I'm going to objectify myself in the most hardcore way more than in any time in history.
01:09:17.000 With spectacular results.
01:09:18.000 And it's really, for me as a female who understands both those sides a little bit, it kind of trips me out.
01:09:27.000 Because I don't think, like, those girls, you know, playing that card and no violence should be done to you, and I agree with all of that, and no is no, and all of that.
01:09:37.000 But at a certain point, you know, like, you've had Jordan Peterson on here many times, it's like, biological signaling, it's like, play a side, at least.
01:09:46.000 And also...
01:09:48.000 That one side is super short-lived.
01:09:51.000 That's what I try to tell my girls.
01:09:52.000 I'm like, yo, listen.
01:09:53.000 If you're pretty girls, it's great.
01:09:56.000 But if that's the card you're playing, your card's done.
01:09:59.000 By the time you're 30, 35, it's done.
01:10:02.000 It's over.
01:10:03.000 Unless you're like 40 and you marry a 70-year-old.
01:10:05.000 I don't know.
01:10:06.000 Whatever.
01:10:06.000 Or you get into MILF porn.
01:10:08.000 Is that such a thing?
01:10:09.000 Yeah.
01:10:10.000 Yeah, but even that.
01:10:12.000 They got to put a filter on it and all that stuff.
01:10:15.000 I mean, come on.
01:10:17.000 I mean, you know what I mean.
01:10:19.000 I do.
01:10:19.000 At a certain point, how do you get these girls to go, hey, stand up for yourself, be strong, but, like, what are you doing?
01:10:26.000 But look at all these people that are not doing that, that are benefiting.
01:10:29.000 I know, but it's getting them to understand, how do you get a 13-year-old to talk about the long game?
01:10:35.000 I mean, everything's immediate.
01:10:36.000 But for me, it's like, culturally, I feel like I'm this weird mix of like the most, I came through at the most modern time, like women went to school and on scholarships and like we, there was no thought to being like strong, not really.
01:10:53.000 And then, but then weirdly, it's like I feel so kind of old-fashioned when I see kind of this next thing.
01:10:59.000 Because I'm like, well, strong for me was something else.
01:11:01.000 Strong was like you were really physically strong, trying to have a strong mind, you know, strong basis of a person.
01:11:10.000 And then, okay, then there was this other side, like your femininity, your sexuality, all this other stuff.
01:11:14.000 And now it's like, I don't know.
01:11:16.000 It's very interesting.
01:11:18.000 Yeah.
01:11:18.000 Well, there's certainly a bunch of different kinds of people, right?
01:11:20.000 And there's going to be people that gravitate towards objectifying themselves.
01:11:24.000 There's going to be people that gravitate in this day and age towards...
01:11:27.000 You see a lot of people's pages are just filled with motivational quotes and inspirational things and stories about people that they meet and photos.
01:11:36.000 You get a lot of people that are attracted to that kind of stuff, too.
01:11:39.000 It's just you're not going to get the immediate gratification of a picture of your ass.
01:11:43.000 That picture of your ass that gets 100,000 likes, you're like, wow, look at all those likes.
01:11:47.000 Yeah.
01:11:48.000 And then, you know, it's just a different vibe.
01:11:50.000 And you have to decide, what are you after?
01:11:52.000 Are you after quantity or quality?
01:11:53.000 Are you after...
01:11:54.000 Are you trying to accurately express how you feel and work it out through communicating with people and figure out how they react to what you're saying and how you feel about how other people say similar things and how it does good things for you and you want to do good things for them?
01:12:07.000 Or do you just want to have...
01:12:09.000 Check my butt. 0.91
01:12:10.000 Yeah, just a piece of dental floss up the crack of your ass.
01:12:13.000 Yeah.
01:12:13.000 Sticking it in front of the camera.
01:12:15.000 There's, you know...
01:12:15.000 No, and I get that.
01:12:17.000 I always say when you're a young woman, you sort of get this new car, and you're like, well, what happens if I put my foot on the gas?
01:12:24.000 You're sort of checking it all out.
01:12:25.000 Like, ooh, they respond like this if I do that.
01:12:27.000 That's completely natural.
01:12:29.000 But then at a certain point, I don't know that the input is like, who do you want to be?
01:12:38.000 And not based on what everyone thinks about you, like what actually turns you on and makes you feel excited and stoked.
01:12:47.000 Because, you know, it's great that you have a nice butt, but there's a lot of nice butts. 1.00
01:12:51.000 And in the end, that's not probably going to...
01:12:56.000 Bring you that other feeling.
01:12:58.000 The problem is that there's a thrill to positive reactions.
01:13:02.000 Absolutely.
01:13:03.000 And that thrill is undeniable.
01:13:04.000 I would like it.
01:13:05.000 I'm just too old.
01:13:08.000 And when people get that thrill, then you tell them, hey, that thrill's bad for you.
01:13:12.000 You're like, fuck off, mom. 1.00
01:13:13.000 No, no.
01:13:13.000 I mean a bolt-on to that message.
01:13:15.000 How about that?
01:13:15.000 Like, get the thrill.
01:13:16.000 But simultaneously to doing the thrill, maybe have some other thoughts about where you'd like to continue to journey to.
01:13:23.000 Yeah.
01:13:24.000 But I think when you tell that to a 13-year-old, they hear it eventually.
01:13:28.000 Yeah.
01:13:28.000 I think in the beginning, they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:30.000 I got this.
01:13:31.000 And then later, when it all goes sideways, like, god damn, I should have listened to mom.
01:13:34.000 Yeah.
01:13:34.000 I think you just got to be it, too.
01:13:35.000 And have some, like, cool friends that hang around you.
01:13:39.000 Because if you're the parent, it's like, okay, you're going to penetrate so much.
01:13:42.000 But if you've got some, like, you know, in Hawaii, they call them aunties.
01:13:45.000 If you've got some badass chicks around you and your daughters are looking, they see. 0.69
01:13:49.000 Right.
01:13:50.000 They see.
01:13:51.000 What if you don't have access to that?
01:13:52.000 I have a lot of pretty strong, cool women around me. 1.00
01:13:57.000 Not that it concerns me.
01:13:59.000 I don't want to say that.
01:14:00.000 It's just how do you help the next group try to be a good example, love on them, but get them to teach them to love on themselves.
01:14:11.000 That's all.
01:14:11.000 And I don't mean...
01:14:14.000 With eyelash extensions and, like, perfect things.
01:14:17.000 I mean, like, love on yourself.
01:14:18.000 Yeah.
01:14:18.000 You know?
01:14:19.000 Well, that's the other thing, too.
01:14:21.000 The distortion of natural beauty.
01:14:24.000 And, you know, make it so that everything has to be artificial.
01:14:28.000 The color of your lips, the color of your eyeshadow, fake lashes, everything is just...
01:14:35.000 That doesn't look better.
01:14:38.000 It just looks different.
01:14:39.000 Do you think...
01:14:40.000 I'm always fascinated what men think.
01:14:43.000 Like, do they even, like, do they, does it even register?
01:14:47.000 Do they know what's going on?
01:14:48.000 In what way?
01:14:52.000 Well, I guess we'd have to ask men of that generation if, let's say they had two groups of women and one that was like perfectly coiffed with the lip injection. 1.00
01:15:03.000 I love that word, coiffed.
01:15:05.000 It's one of my favorite words.
01:15:06.000 Is it?
01:15:06.000 Yeah.
01:15:07.000 Yeah.
01:15:07.000 I like that I'm talking about eyelash extensions with Joe, but just sort of really done, like ready for the club, let's just say.
01:15:14.000 And then just a girl like, hi, I'm a sweaty runner, and now I'm going to go to the office and put my hair up in a ponytail.
01:15:23.000 I don't know, whatever.
01:15:24.000 If guys, if they even, can they tell the difference?
01:15:28.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:15:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:15:31.000 I mean, it's all...
01:15:34.000 What you're into.
01:15:36.000 Some guys just like them soft and made up.
01:15:40.000 Some guys like them sweaty and muscular.
01:15:43.000 No, and I get all that.
01:15:45.000 I love that.
01:15:45.000 I just mean, again, it's hardcore signaling, and I guess maybe that's what it is.
01:15:52.000 Maybe it's the new biology.
01:15:54.000 Well, it's also that there's never been a time, like I had a bit on one of my Netflix specials about this girl who's got just pictures of her ass. 0.79
01:16:02.000 She had like 9 million followers on Instagram.
01:16:04.000 I'm like, there's never been a person like this before.
01:16:06.000 This is a new kind of person.
01:16:08.000 Like, fuck looking at these frogs in the Amazon that no one's going to see.
01:16:12.000 There's a new kind of person.
01:16:13.000 This girl just has pictures of her butt, and she's got millions of people staring at her all day long, and every day is just new pictures of her butt. 1.00
01:16:20.000 It's a great point.
01:16:21.000 I was intrigued how they decide like, oh, we're going to do the butt on the beach.
01:16:25.000 Now let's do the butt next to the puppy. 1.00
01:16:28.000 It's like, I'm so confused how they keep getting ideas.
01:16:30.000 I can't even get ideas for different things.
01:16:32.000 And it's like, I know we'll do butt with the cotton candy. 0.84
01:16:35.000 It's like, okay, I don't know.
01:16:37.000 I'm always intrigued by that.
01:16:38.000 I think it becomes an obsession.
01:16:40.000 I mean, I think you have to stay fresh with new butt ideas.
01:16:43.000 Is that it?
01:16:43.000 Or do you have like a butt editor?
01:16:45.000 The butt envelope.
01:16:45.000 Do you have the butt editor?
01:16:46.000 So what do you do?
01:16:47.000 Hey, what's going on?
01:16:48.000 The head butt editor here at...
01:16:51.000 Butt.com, I don't know.
01:16:53.000 But if you have a girl who has, let's say some of these girls have millions and millions of followers, and they're making millions of dollars. 1.00
01:16:59.000 I know, they're crushing it.
01:17:00.000 Maybe they're actually the smartest people in the room, and I haven't caught on yet.
01:17:03.000 It's certainly an easy path to finances.
01:17:06.000 I know, right?
01:17:07.000 If you have a great ass and you like working out anyway and you just want to take pictures of it and all of a sudden you have 25 million followers, like, damn.
01:17:13.000 But this goes also, okay.
01:17:14.000 What should she do?
01:17:15.000 Quit that job?
01:17:16.000 No, definitely not.
01:17:17.000 Because then when is she going to say, well, I'll do the right thing and work at the library.
01:17:19.000 I'm not suggesting that.
01:17:21.000 It's just, I mean, if it was my kid, I'd be like, you know, sweetie, you might want to weigh out the economics on this.
01:17:27.000 Right.
01:17:27.000 I think you said something really important.
01:17:30.000 It's a whole new thing.
01:17:31.000 Yeah.
01:17:32.000 And I think, however, it's sort of like the communication you're always having, which is, well, what is success?
01:17:39.000 And for me, that's all.
01:17:42.000 It's like getting people, encouraging them, whatever that is, whatever that looks like.
01:17:47.000 You know, you said this, like, oh, you'd do this show whether anyone was listening or not, most likely, right?
01:17:53.000 Probably.
01:17:53.000 I mean, until you couldn't afford it anymore, let's just say.
01:17:56.000 Yeah.
01:17:56.000 I would do it just to have the conversations.
01:17:59.000 Maybe I wouldn't do it as much, but I would definitely do it.
01:18:02.000 If someone said, hey, every few months a physicist will come in here and sit down with you for three hours, they'll be like, yeah, let's do it.
01:18:10.000 That's what I want to do.
01:18:11.000 Yeah, well, you're bringing information to you and learning to you.
01:18:14.000 So for you, part of your definition, that's success.
01:18:17.000 Yeah.
01:18:17.000 And so I guess that is the conversation because we always have this thing, this obvious thing of like success is it either is notoriety, it's power, it's money, and then we forget those other communications about like the pursuit of something that really genuinely turns you on.
01:18:34.000 Well, I think people get short-sighted, and you definitely can get success where you just have money, and you just have objects, and you have notoriety, and people will view it as success.
01:18:44.000 But if you're not doing what you love, it's not pure success.
01:18:47.000 It's a different kind of success.
01:18:48.000 Like, if you really find something that you enjoy doing, and then you take that, like Laird has with surfing, or many people have with their passions, and then you become successful through that, it's a different existence, because it's a pure existence.
01:19:03.000 When I do stand-up comedy or if I do commentary for the UFC, it's a pure enthusiasm.
01:19:14.000 It's genuine.
01:19:15.000 That comes across.
01:19:15.000 I don't have to fake it.
01:19:17.000 I enjoy doing it.
01:19:19.000 That's, to me...
01:19:21.000 I know everybody can't do that, or everybody feels like they can't do that, or they haven't figured out a way to do that yet.
01:19:26.000 But if you can, if you can, if there's a thing that you can do, like maybe I would have made more money if I went into the stock market.
01:19:33.000 Maybe I would have made more money if I was a banker.
01:19:35.000 Maybe.
01:19:35.000 I don't know.
01:19:36.000 But I definitely wouldn't be as happy.
01:19:38.000 There's no way.
01:19:39.000 If I'm the same person I am now, and I was in a fucking office all day making a hundred times as much money, I'd be miserable.
01:19:45.000 Right.
01:19:45.000 And I think that, I guess for me, that's maybe when I see the thing with the girls, and like I said, feeling sensitive to it because I have daughters, or just young people in general, it's that conversation of like, you know, just keeping that definition of success open.
01:19:59.000 And by the way, this other path...
01:20:01.000 Taking it like following your own instincts or desires or passions, there's elements to that that are harder, for sure.
01:20:10.000 It's more unknown.
01:20:12.000 You can feel insecure, like, is this the right thing to do?
01:20:15.000 I mean, in our house, we've gone through that 50 different times.
01:20:19.000 It's like, I'm going to do this because I really want to.
01:20:22.000 I don't know what's going to happen, and I don't know if it's going to be successful.
01:20:25.000 I might even lose money.
01:20:26.000 Who knows?
01:20:28.000 But that once you start to do it, or you do it once or twice, then you go, oh, but it's so worth trying.
01:20:36.000 If you can pull it off.
01:20:37.000 That's the thing.
01:20:38.000 If everything worth doing is hard to do.
01:20:42.000 Everything.
01:20:43.000 But by the way, you might pursue...
01:20:45.000 We've pursued 10 businesses and one is really thriving, two are doing well, and the rest, we ate it.
01:20:54.000 We ate it in cash, we ate it in time, we did.
01:20:58.000 So I think that's the other thing that's important is like, hey...
01:21:02.000 It's like sports.
01:21:04.000 How many times do you lose, too?
01:21:07.000 You lose a lot in order to win.
01:21:10.000 And I think that's something that, for me, with my girls, it's like, hey, just try to work really hard and hear your own voice and follow that if you can.
01:21:22.000 And it is scary.
01:21:23.000 I think it's scary.
01:21:24.000 Yeah.
01:21:24.000 You're also a person who's had that opinion reinforced through vigorous work over the years.
01:21:31.000 I mean, you're a super successful competitive athlete, which is one of the most difficult things for a person to do, to force your body to perform better than everybody else's, figure a way to win, figure a way to get points scored,
01:21:46.000 figure a way where all these other people who are also high-level athletes are trying to stop you from doing it.
01:21:51.000 Figure out a way to succeed.
01:21:52.000 And you're going to fucking fail.
01:21:54.000 There's no way around it.
01:21:55.000 You're going to have ups and downs, but you're going to understand the value of pursuit, of dedication and discipline.
01:22:01.000 And your kids are going to see that.
01:22:02.000 They must know their mom is a badass. 1.00
01:22:07.000 Well, I don't know.
01:22:08.000 They have to kind of understand who you are.
01:22:09.000 Yes and no.
01:22:11.000 I think it's interesting because then, you know, like how sons can push against dads and a dad's identities, right?
01:22:17.000 Sure.
01:22:18.000 There's times, not my youngest and less my oldest, but my middle went through a phase where it was like she was almost like, I'm going to knock her off her... 1.00
01:22:28.000 High horse?
01:22:29.000 No, like my...
01:22:31.000 Beat your records?
01:22:31.000 My real estate.
01:22:33.000 That was my real estate.
01:22:35.000 And it's like...
01:22:37.000 And, you know, she's a big, strong kid, but then I think she realized, like, oh, no, no, no, this is more about me finding my own real estate.
01:22:45.000 Like, my mom did that because that was what my mom had to do and what she was good at, and that was my thing. 1.00
01:22:53.000 But there was a minute that I think, listen, no kid looks at their parent that they actually live with, by the way, and is like, yeah, they're cool.
01:23:03.000 Yeah.
01:23:04.000 There's just no...
01:23:05.000 I mean, like, if I deserted them and called, like, four times a year, they'd be like, it's my mom.
01:23:10.000 She's on the phone.
01:23:11.000 Right.
01:23:11.000 And she's in exotic country.
01:23:13.000 They're like, yo, get me some water.
01:23:14.000 I'm going to bed.
01:23:15.000 Like, you know, it's like, it's no different in any house.
01:23:18.000 And by the way, I... I have this new thing I'm doing right now with my youngest daughter because she can get me.
01:23:24.000 She can get me nobody's business.
01:23:26.000 Laird always jokes, he goes, you two are not allowed to drive in the car together anymore.
01:23:29.000 We come home from one ride from school and I'm on the mats, right?
01:23:33.000 This kid is like, because we're very similar.
01:23:35.000 And she just works me. 1.00
01:23:37.000 Does she work you and it's just you and her alone? 1.00
01:23:39.000 Of course.
01:23:40.000 Oh, wow.
01:23:41.000 No, especially.
01:23:42.000 She's a dummy. 1.00
01:23:42.000 This kid is so smart. 1.00
01:23:44.000 We always joke.
01:23:45.000 I'm like, Brody will run something.
01:23:47.000 I just want her to have friends, hopefully.
01:23:49.000 She's pretty radical.
01:23:51.000 And she always gives you this look too, while she's carving you up, that's like a slight smirk on her face.
01:23:57.000 And I'm like, I'm going to kill this kid.
01:23:59.000 And so, and then you think, you know, I've been around, I'm trying to be evolved, and I don't think I'm having an insulin spike.
01:24:08.000 Like, I should be balanced and calm.
01:24:09.000 I think I meditated this morning, and I'm like, four seconds, and I'm like, meh, you know, until it's like...
01:24:17.000 You know how to push your buttons and it becomes a little sport for them, too.
01:24:19.000 Oh, yeah.
01:24:19.000 So now, okay, so this is the best.
01:24:21.000 So I go, okay, Laird was telling me this story years ago.
01:24:25.000 He went down a river and went down the rapid and got pinned against a rock, okay?
01:24:33.000 And it was breaking on his back.
01:24:34.000 And he said he was pushing on the rock and pushing, couldn't get off properly.
01:24:39.000 Okay?
01:24:40.000 And he said he had this image of like a skeleton like on the rock, you know, like with the water just pounding on it, you know, like the clothes all messed up.
01:24:47.000 And he said he moved his foot and wiggled his foot and his whole body slipped out.
01:24:53.000 Oh, wow.
01:24:59.000 Welcome to my show!
01:25:18.000 Like, if she's standing there doing some of her weird bullshit, I'll just be like, move my foot, just to give a trigger. 0.93
01:25:23.000 Like, I've got to trigger myself.
01:25:24.000 I'm a parent.
01:25:25.000 I'm, like, against the ropes like everybody else.
01:25:28.000 And I have a partner who supports me, and sometimes he looks at me like, phew, not that strong of a game, Gab.
01:25:35.000 And so...
01:25:38.000 So, you know, we'll get into it and I'll go to pick her up.
01:25:42.000 And my whole thing is when I talk to my kids in the morning, like first thing I always say, hey, good morning.
01:25:46.000 Like I try really hard to be the adult and to be the parent, right?
01:25:50.000 Like that's what I really want to do.
01:25:52.000 Like I really want to show up as the adult.
01:25:54.000 Yeah.
01:25:54.000 And flawed be it, I still be like, you know what, at least she's acting like an adult, that woman over there, you know, get me water.
01:26:03.000 And so she'll get in the car and I'll be like, hi honey, how was your day at school?
01:26:07.000 You know, I try even like the fake nice tone and everything.
01:26:11.000 I don't really, you know, listen, I spent almost seven hours there.
01:26:14.000 I really don't want to talk about school.
01:26:15.000 It's like a colossal waste of time.
01:26:17.000 How old is she? 0.98
01:26:18.000 Eleven.
01:26:19.000 She's like, and then she says to me yesterday, I'm not exaggerating.
01:26:22.000 She goes, you know, and if you, listen, no offense.
01:26:25.000 I'm sorry, mom.
01:26:26.000 I'm not trying to be rude.
01:26:27.000 I just, if you can't talk, I don't like to talk that much.
01:26:30.000 It seems like a waste of time.
01:26:31.000 Talking is a waste of time.
01:26:33.000 That's what she says.
01:26:34.000 She's very self-contained.
01:26:35.000 I'm thinking, true that, but okay.
01:26:37.000 So then I'm like, all right, well, another strategy.
01:26:39.000 So I go, oh, that's cool.
01:26:41.000 I can be self-contained.
01:26:42.000 Like, I'm cool.
01:26:43.000 I don't need to be like, oh, sweetie.
01:26:44.000 I don't care.
01:26:44.000 No problem.
01:26:45.000 I just click over a little bit into my mail.
01:26:47.000 Like, okay, if I can drive this car and maybe I'm going to drive a little faster and like, let's go.
01:26:54.000 And within three minutes, somehow, all the things I said I wasn't going to get lured into, nothing, I'm going to wiggle my foot, all this like philosophical stuff.
01:27:04.000 I've been reading books.
01:27:07.000 She gets me.
01:27:10.000 And she's like 95 pounds. 1.00
01:27:12.000 And she gets me.
01:27:13.000 She's my only kid that gets me like this.
01:27:15.000 And it's literally like if you went into a restaurant and you said, okay, I'm not going to order the lasagna and the hamburger and the double fries with the chili sauce.
01:27:24.000 And you walk in and you go, I'll take the lasagna, the hamburger.
01:27:27.000 It's like the one thing I said I wasn't going to do.
01:27:30.000 And she gets me every time.
01:27:32.000 So that's something I'm always...
01:27:35.000 Really trying to figure out and also like back away from.
01:27:41.000 This lady, actually you should have her on your show. 1.00
01:27:43.000 Have you ever heard of Byron Katie?
01:27:44.000 No.
01:27:44.000 You got to get her, Jamie.
01:27:45.000 You got to get her.
01:27:46.000 She taught me a lot of stuff, but it's basically like full.
01:27:49.000 And men do this better generally.
01:27:51.000 And yes, there are women that do it as well as men. 0.99
01:27:54.000 I'm not getting into all that, but it's like surrendering.
01:27:58.000 Like maybe my kid's going to grow up.
01:28:02.000 And they're going to be completely different than what I thought or what they would be or my expectations.
01:28:09.000 And that's actually probably closer to the real thing.
01:28:14.000 So I can be going through sports.
01:28:16.000 I was like, man, volleyball is way easier than this.
01:28:19.000 It is.
01:28:20.000 It's just very...
01:28:21.000 Because it's straightforward.
01:28:22.000 Right.
01:28:22.000 Take the ball, hit the line.
01:28:23.000 Yeah.
01:28:24.000 Take the ball and hit the other line.
01:28:26.000 Oh, okay.
01:28:27.000 No, that was...
01:28:28.000 Did you complete that?
01:28:29.000 No, I didn't hit the line.
01:28:30.000 Okay.
01:28:30.000 You hit the line.
01:28:31.000 Is your 11-year-old involved in sports?
01:28:33.000 Oh, yeah.
01:28:34.000 The worst sport ever.
01:28:35.000 What sport?
01:28:36.000 Horses.
01:28:37.000 Oh, Christ.
01:28:38.000 It's like beauty pageants on big animals. 0.86
01:28:39.000 It's the worst.
01:28:41.000 Parents don't think it's cute to take six-year-olds and think, oh, it's so sweet, we'll get them.
01:28:47.000 Well, they'll ride horses, because then they fall in love with horses, and then they want better horses, and then they want pretty horse pants, and then the boots.
01:28:56.000 My buddy's daughter's deep in the horse game.
01:28:58.000 It'll kill you.
01:28:59.000 I have to say to her, I'm sorry you were not born to billionaires.
01:29:02.000 I'm really so sorry for you.
01:29:05.000 It's pretty heavy.
01:29:06.000 My middle daughter is into tennis and she's pursuing tennis.
01:29:11.000 And I'm trying to figure out how to manipulate my young one out of away from horses.
01:29:15.000 And she'll say to me, I know you think it's a phase and it's not.
01:29:18.000 Oh, it's going to make it a not phase.
01:29:21.000 And that's why I'm like, no, do whatever you want, but you have to use your own body at least a couple days a week.
01:29:24.000 I go, because you're using the body of the horse.
01:29:26.000 And by the way, doesn't it frustrate you?
01:29:28.000 I even tried this.
01:29:29.000 I can't believe I'm admitting this.
01:29:32.000 I mean, I thought you guys loved the animals.
01:29:34.000 You know, like you really loved horses.
01:29:36.000 And what you're doing to them is not good for the horses.
01:29:39.000 Whoa.
01:29:40.000 They land on the same foot.
01:29:41.000 And she's like, they jump in nature.
01:29:43.000 I go, not with 100 pounds on their back, they don't.
01:29:45.000 And they don't land on the same leg.
01:29:47.000 I've tried that.
01:29:47.000 I can't do that anymore.
01:29:48.000 That's not fair.
01:29:51.000 At least you admit it was a strategy.
01:29:53.000 I totally.
01:29:53.000 And then the other thing I've tried is, doesn't it irritate you if you were on a horse and you were more talented as an athlete or you had trained harder but your horse wasn't as good so you couldn't win?
01:30:07.000 And she just looks at me like, I'm going to ride this out.
01:30:10.000 She doesn't care.
01:30:11.000 Nothing impacts her.
01:30:13.000 Because that's what frustrates me.
01:30:14.000 Imagine if it was like, I had a better gi than you, so I could kick your ass in, you know, jujitsu.
01:30:20.000 Because my gi was more expensive.
01:30:22.000 You'd be like, wait a second.
01:30:24.000 I trained twice as hard as you.
01:30:26.000 I've been doing it longer.
01:30:28.000 And maybe I'm just better than you.
01:30:30.000 Nope.
01:30:30.000 My gi's more expensive.
01:30:31.000 So if you have a shitty horse, there's nothing you can do about it.
01:30:35.000 And the judges know.
01:30:36.000 They know.
01:30:37.000 They know.
01:30:38.000 So, yeah, I would never get into that.
01:30:42.000 And I don't come from that.
01:30:43.000 I barely come from, like, if I didn't hit a white ball, I wasn't even going to university. 0.89
01:30:46.000 Never mind, like, you know, this whole horse world thing.
01:30:51.000 God.
01:30:53.000 I found myself, I went to a show once, and I was, like, saying good morning to all the groomsmen.
01:30:58.000 Like, good morning, sir.
01:30:59.000 Good afternoon.
01:31:00.000 And, like, giving stink eye to all the ladies, you know? 0.75
01:31:04.000 I was like, yeah, this is an upside-down universe.
01:31:06.000 Horse ladies are a different thing. 1.00
01:31:08.000 Yeah, I just, I really, this is one of my, I lose sleep over this, Joe.
01:31:13.000 Really?
01:31:13.000 Yeah, I do.
01:31:14.000 I do.
01:31:15.000 Mm-hmm.
01:31:16.000 Mm-hmm.
01:31:16.000 That's a lot of money.
01:31:18.000 That's not the part, I mean, I lose sleep over that, too, because I'm like, Laird's going to kill me.
01:31:23.000 But because then the flip side of it is I got a kid who's into something.
01:31:26.000 She'll go to the barn. 0.94
01:31:27.000 If you let her seven, eight hours, she'll work with the horses, lunge them, do all this stuff. 1.00
01:31:32.000 So then you're like, okay, well, she's into something.
01:31:33.000 This is not a kid who will sit around and not do anything.
01:31:37.000 But I guess for me it's the money sport.
01:31:46.000 It's like that weird bubble weird thing.
01:31:48.000 So that part was like, I was like, oh God, how did we get here?
01:31:53.000 Yeah.
01:31:54.000 Yeah, that's what my friend is dealing with with his daughter.
01:31:56.000 How old is his daughter?
01:31:57.000 She's 10. Yeah.
01:31:58.000 Oh, is he in deep already?
01:32:00.000 Yeah.
01:32:00.000 Did he lease a horse?
01:32:01.000 Yeah.
01:32:02.000 Yeah, they got a horse.
01:32:03.000 They bought a horse?
01:32:04.000 No, they leased a horse.
01:32:05.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:32:06.000 I didn't know you could lease a horse.
01:32:08.000 And there's horse brokers.
01:32:09.000 There's a whole thing of that.
01:32:10.000 It's a shy story, whole trip.
01:32:12.000 It's super expensive to lease a horse, too, right?
01:32:15.000 I think it's like 40 grand a month or something crazy like that.
01:32:17.000 Oh, no, that's like, well, then you've got a really fancy horse.
01:32:20.000 But it's expensive.
01:32:21.000 Maybe I made that number up.
01:32:22.000 Yeah, you did.
01:32:23.000 And then, that's like Bill Gates' daughter's horse or something.
01:32:27.000 It might be.
01:32:27.000 But then, it's like, I don't know.
01:32:29.000 For me, that's a – but again, as a parent, these are one more of my lessons.
01:32:34.000 Like, I'm not her and she's not me.
01:32:36.000 Right.
01:32:37.000 I have – as much as I used to think I was so in charge of so many things – I think being in a long relationship, I've been with Laird almost 24 years, it's like you start to learn like, oh, okay,
01:32:53.000 I can impact you, I can influence you, I can support you, I can love you, I could try to inspire you, but I'm not here to...
01:33:06.000 It's like, even as a parent, like, I'm not here to control anyone.
01:33:09.000 And that's a hard thing, because when you get a little baby, you control it.
01:33:12.000 You're in charge.
01:33:12.000 That's what you need to be.
01:33:14.000 And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah, no.
01:33:16.000 And that shift is...
01:33:17.000 They don't...
01:33:18.000 I wish...
01:33:19.000 People need to talk more about, like, the shift of...
01:33:21.000 Because we're not objective.
01:33:24.000 And, you know, the tools that you need.
01:33:27.000 You've got to keep adding tools, and it's...
01:33:30.000 It's very humbling.
01:33:31.000 Do you find it easier to do on Kauai or in California?
01:33:37.000 Is it any different?
01:33:38.000 Well, it depends, right?
01:33:39.000 So if I have my middle daughter, who's a teenager, not on Kauai, she looks 18 or 19, and there's not a lot to do.
01:33:50.000 Yeah.
01:34:03.000 So it's easier because there's just more productive things to do.
01:34:08.000 What I like is when they're little, Kauai's great because it's so simple.
01:34:12.000 The life is simple.
01:34:13.000 So what kids are thinking about is like playing and being in nature and like developing also a toughness to them that maybe like city kids have it different, you know, because like they're barefoot and they're like climbing trees and they're throwing rocks at each other and it's just like a little more rough and tumble.
01:34:31.000 So when they're little, Kauai is certainly easier.
01:34:34.000 And then as they get older, that's where we're sort of at now.
01:34:37.000 It's like you've got to adapt and put these kids...
01:34:40.000 Give them a launching pad, if you will.
01:34:43.000 Because the problem is, like, and I went through this growing up on an island, it's like, you don't know all that's out there to dream to do.
01:34:52.000 And it's, even if it's, you know, everything in life, it's so true about, like, being, like, the alchemist.
01:34:57.000 Like, I even see it with Laird.
01:34:58.000 It's like, he went out into the world, he's done all this stuff, and there's certain things we're doing and projects right back onto Kauai, And so there's always going to be that element probably of I went and I did all these things.
01:35:11.000 I expressed myself all these ways.
01:35:12.000 And then there's some basic parts about where I exactly started that are still really important to me.
01:35:19.000 But I think it's important for kids to see like...
01:35:22.000 It doesn't matter where you're from or how you grew up.
01:35:24.000 Like, certainly Laird and I both the same way.
01:35:26.000 It's like, you really could try to do anything and pursue that if it's in you.
01:35:33.000 If it's genuinely in you and calling you.
01:35:36.000 And I want that for my kids.
01:35:37.000 And I don't care what that is.
01:35:39.000 But just that they have something that they get up each day and they're like, yo, I'm turned on.
01:35:42.000 Yeah, that really is what people need.
01:35:44.000 They really need something they love doing.
01:35:46.000 That's it.
01:35:47.000 And I think that's what I was talking about, success, is sometimes we have all this, you know, kind of bells and whistles and attention around getting attention.
01:35:56.000 And I think people don't realize that getting attention, I mean, you know this for yourself, it's like, yeah, it's great, but what is it, like, what is it really, and when you close the doors and you're hanging with your people that you're close to, it's like, You know, what's making you excited for real?
01:36:13.000 And who loves you for real in that way of like, it's great if people appreciate your work, that always feels good.
01:36:19.000 But if you're doing it for your real reasons, then I already think that is a real success.
01:36:26.000 And we spend a lot of time working.
01:36:29.000 So why not have something that we're fired up on?
01:36:33.000 And that's the thing, because it's like, you know...
01:36:36.000 You spend a long time of your life working.
01:36:39.000 What do you want to do?
01:36:40.000 Yeah, and guiding a child into that direction, trying to set them up in a way that they view their life as kind of a project.
01:36:49.000 And the most enjoyment you're going to get is find a thing that excites you.
01:36:55.000 Find a thing that you really get inspired by.
01:36:59.000 Whatever the fuck it is, it's going to be different for you than it is for me.
01:37:02.000 You got to find out what that thing is, but it's all the same thing.
01:37:04.000 Once you find out what that thing is and that thing genuinely gels with your personality and your likes and your passion, just run with it.
01:37:12.000 You can do it.
01:37:13.000 You can run with it.
01:37:14.000 And it changes, too.
01:37:15.000 I think that's the other thing is also we get to find like, okay, you were doing this one job and then it's like, okay, but that job is over.
01:37:24.000 It's like being an athlete or a competing competitive athlete on an organized platform.
01:37:31.000 That has it a day and a time.
01:37:33.000 And then when that's over, do you want to...
01:37:36.000 Look back and keep talking about that?
01:37:38.000 Or do you want to look and see who you are now and who you'd like to be?
01:37:41.000 And I think that that's always kind of an important thing to teach people, especially people that have...
01:37:47.000 Well, I'm a comedian.
01:37:49.000 I was a professional athlete.
01:37:50.000 It's like, okay, that's cool.
01:37:51.000 I had some guy come up to me once and say, hey...
01:37:56.000 I was at the golf course and one of my kids were hitting golf balls and he goes, weren't you that volleyball player, Gabby?
01:38:01.000 And I was like, well, no, I'm still Gabby.
01:38:05.000 But one of the things I've done is play volleyball.
01:38:09.000 And I think that actually, if we can get to that, that's even better.
01:38:12.000 It's like...
01:38:13.000 Who am I? And then off of this, as far as whether you're older or younger or in one part of your career or not, you still can always be the essence of yourself.
01:38:26.000 And then it's like, oh, and now right now I'm doing this.
01:38:32.000 But I'm not for all time just a volleyball player.
01:38:36.000 Fighters have a huge problem with that.
01:38:38.000 They identify as being fighters so much that once they retire, almost all of them, except for a small percentage, almost all of them come back because they miss it so much.
01:38:50.000 They miss the excitement and the thrill, and they don't know who they are without that pursuit.
01:38:54.000 The pursuit is the next fight.
01:38:56.000 The pursuit is training camp, getting ready.
01:38:58.000 And when they don't have that for a long time, it just starts really chipping away at them.
01:39:03.000 Well, and I think, too, the amount of focus it takes to be really good at that kind of stuff, or to run a company or anything, it makes sense why it's so hard to try to diversify while you're doing that.
01:39:17.000 It is really hard, but I think it's important to quietly keep that voice inside your head going, yeah, but who are you?
01:39:32.000 Right.
01:39:42.000 You're so responsible now.
01:39:44.000 I mean, like, grow up in a way that, like, maybe you change your ideas and the way you do things.
01:39:50.000 And, you know, I was telling Laird I was in this situation this week where Something had gone down and I didn't like the way it had gone down.
01:40:00.000 It wasn't to do with him.
01:40:01.000 And I was like, you know what?
01:40:02.000 I'm not going to attach to this.
01:40:05.000 I know better.
01:40:07.000 So now I'm just going to notice that it kind of bugs me and I'm not going to attach all the way to that feeling and to that experience.
01:40:17.000 And for me, that's more what I mean about growing up, not like, Being, you know, grown up.
01:40:21.000 Because I actually think the more grown up we are also means we could probably be more childlike, too.
01:40:26.000 For sure.
01:40:27.000 Both.
01:40:28.000 So it isn't about, like, being responsible.
01:40:30.000 It's just a different freedom.
01:40:32.000 So, I mean, I would think in the end that that would be a more interesting quest than I was a champion anything.
01:40:41.000 Right.
01:40:42.000 I don't know.
01:40:43.000 And it's not sexy and it's internal, but I don't know.
01:40:46.000 It can be, I think, pretty rich.
01:40:49.000 Right.
01:40:49.000 Well, I think ultimately for a person who's experienced athletic highs and the highs of accomplishments but also understands real personal struggle, that's when, like a person like you, you've experienced so many different things that you can understand what's actually beneficial towards you.
01:41:04.000 Right.
01:41:04.000 And it's pretty simple.
01:41:05.000 I hate to – that's kind of the heavy part.
01:41:07.000 It's like being married to Laird.
01:41:09.000 Like, Laird wants to go to bed at 830, and Laird wants to get up early, and he keeps it pretty simple.
01:41:17.000 And it's an interesting thing, because within it, there's – he seems pretty good.
01:41:24.000 I mean, as long as there's sometimes waves.
01:41:27.000 Because that guy is like – That seems like a – that's pretty straightforward.
01:41:32.000 Yeah.
01:41:33.000 Well, that's it, right?
01:41:34.000 Like, how do I get the highest ideas, the biggest ideas, you know, whether it's like dealing with ego or whatever, get the biggest ideas and then get everything else pretty stripped down, pretty simple.
01:41:49.000 Yeah.
01:41:50.000 Because otherwise, I feel like you're running around.
01:41:53.000 Yeah.
01:41:54.000 I love the days I'm running around and I'm like, what am I reacting to?
01:41:58.000 What is going on?
01:42:00.000 I'm like a crazy person.
01:42:02.000 And then it's like, okay, you got to back it up.
01:42:06.000 And listen, with kids it's hard because you're only as good as whatever your kids are going through.
01:42:13.000 And then there's elements of it like they're going through things and you go, it's probably pretty natural.
01:42:17.000 Even if it's super hard.
01:42:20.000 It's like, and that's okay, too.
01:42:22.000 And you don't want that for them, but I think, you know, that's something I've really learned, is like, God, it's a bummer that you have to go through that, and it's hard to watch, and I don't want you to, and that's okay, too, because that's part of...
01:42:34.000 It's really cool, though, to see them come out on the other end and then talk to you about it.
01:42:38.000 Oh, it's not bothering me so much anymore.
01:42:40.000 Oh, I'm all right.
01:42:41.000 I get it.
01:42:42.000 Yeah, I was just upset, but I'm all right.
01:42:44.000 You know what?
01:42:45.000 It was a really cool thing I learned.
01:42:48.000 Because I am...
01:42:49.000 You know, listen, I'm pretty...
01:42:53.000 Not serious.
01:42:54.000 I'd say I'm a pretty serious person.
01:42:55.000 Laird is sort of the lighter person of the two of us.
01:42:58.000 And someone sort of gave me some information about not resisting with my kids.
01:43:03.000 My oldest was going through something and I said, I just need to tell you how I feel about this.
01:43:08.000 But I didn't make it a big deal.
01:43:09.000 I just sort of dropped it off and said, hey, this is how I'm feeling.
01:43:12.000 And she said to me very clearly, when she was like 22, this just feels like something I have to do.
01:43:21.000 And I remember thinking, I felt like that.
01:43:24.000 And nobody understood what I was doing.
01:43:26.000 And I understood something I had to do for my reasons.
01:43:30.000 And I was right for myself.
01:43:32.000 And what I did is I just went, okay, I get it.
01:43:35.000 And where I wanted her to end up happened so much quicker because I didn't put up the resistance.
01:43:41.000 And that's the other thing.
01:43:43.000 How long does it take me to learn that one?
01:43:46.000 It's like, you know, not having to try to resist or navigate every single situation and just go, okay.
01:43:53.000 And then you get through it so much faster.
01:43:55.000 And they get through it.
01:43:57.000 No, I know you're like super into nutrition and Laird has this, you guys have this company.
01:44:02.000 Uh-huh, Laird Superfood.
01:44:03.000 Yeah.
01:44:04.000 Do you force that stuff on your kids?
01:44:05.000 Are you kidding?
01:44:07.000 My kids, if they want to eat pasta and whatever, they can eat whatever they want.
01:44:11.000 They eat whatever they want?
01:44:12.000 Yeah, because I cook dinner, so we know what dinner looks like.
01:44:15.000 My kids, I always say, just know what's the difference between food and fun.
01:44:19.000 Be clear, bagel is a lot of fun, but it's not food.
01:44:23.000 Because I just want to send them into the world equipped with the information.
01:44:29.000 Right.
01:44:46.000 That's awesome that they listen that way.
01:44:48.000 They don't listen.
01:45:06.000 And she knows the difference.
01:45:07.000 And she was also using food to kind of assuage some feelings and other stuff, too.
01:45:14.000 That's an interesting thing.
01:45:15.000 But then she's come around.
01:45:17.000 But let's not pretend that my kids listen.
01:45:20.000 They don't.
01:45:21.000 They must a little.
01:45:22.000 No, they don't.
01:45:23.000 They must see your example.
01:45:25.000 That's more it.
01:45:26.000 They're watching, but they don't listen.
01:45:28.000 You'd think in a way Laird and I could be sort of maybe imposing parents in some way, and I'm telling you, they are not, they don't, it doesn't, they look at us like, what do you got?
01:45:41.000 Like, come on, it's your move.
01:45:43.000 So I've just learned, like, it's your choice.
01:45:46.000 Like, this is what I'm serving for dinner.
01:45:48.000 I don't have pop in the house, obviously.
01:45:50.000 But if, like, we went someplace, you know, I showed them a picture when they were little.
01:45:55.000 Remember the guy who did, like, eat this, not that?
01:45:58.000 Dave with the Z from Men's Healthy Editor.
01:46:02.000 Anyway, it was like seven or eight chocolate chip cookies and a sun-kissed soda opposite each other.
01:46:08.000 And I'm like, do you want two cookies or do you want that soda?
01:46:11.000 And they got it.
01:46:12.000 It's like, oh, okay.
01:46:13.000 Because it showed how much sugar was in both.
01:46:16.000 So it's just that kind of stuff.
01:46:17.000 But it's not like we live so healthy and they listen.
01:46:22.000 I mean, Ben Greenfield, right?
01:46:25.000 He lives in the forest and that's different.
01:46:28.000 It's a different level of control.
01:46:30.000 I don't have that kind of control.
01:46:31.000 Yeah, Ben's got a weird thing going on out there.
01:46:34.000 His kids listen.
01:46:35.000 Do they?
01:46:36.000 They must.
01:46:37.000 They're out in the forest.
01:46:38.000 They have to.
01:46:39.000 That's what I mean.
01:46:40.000 I'm saying I don't have that level of containment.
01:46:43.000 Right.
01:46:45.000 But he has to deal with predators.
01:46:47.000 Like living predators?
01:46:48.000 Yeah, you can't really let your kids just go loose in your backyard.
01:46:51.000 No, I know.
01:46:51.000 You gotta keep an eye on them.
01:46:52.000 It's easier than Coca-Cola and Cheetos, though, in a different kind of way.
01:46:56.000 I'm just saying, like, predator's very straightforward.
01:46:59.000 It's like, it's a predator.
01:47:00.000 Don't go out there.
01:47:01.000 It's like, well, you know, this food, it's in a bag, it's not that good for you, your self-function.
01:47:07.000 It's like, okay, what?
01:47:08.000 What do my friends do it?
01:47:10.000 It's like, you know, predator.
01:47:12.000 So I just think, I don't know, I just think, I think I've surrendered to the idea of them listening, and I've just tried to show them the best example.
01:47:21.000 And they are intelligent people that I have faith in will arrive at their own conclusion.
01:47:28.000 And by the way, They may make other choices.
01:47:32.000 I don't think so, though.
01:47:33.000 How many kids leave Kauai when they grow up?
01:47:38.000 Not many, I don't think.
01:47:39.000 I think it's tough because it is so beautiful and magical on some level.
01:47:44.000 Intuitively, it makes so much sense there.
01:47:46.000 You know what I mean?
01:47:47.000 It makes a lot of sense.
01:47:49.000 The food's growing.
01:47:52.000 There's certain things that...
01:47:53.000 And you go into the real world and you're like, whoa.
01:47:55.000 Do they have good supermarkets there?
01:47:57.000 Yeah, it's just everything costs...
01:47:59.000 A box of cereal is like $9.
01:48:01.000 Whoa.
01:48:02.000 No, for real.
01:48:04.000 So it's hard, but some kids leave.
01:48:06.000 I would think that that would be a difficult transition between going from Kauai to like moving to Chicago or something like that.
01:48:13.000 It can be, especially if it's like December, but I think you'd be surprised.
01:48:17.000 Yeah, let me tell you, the cold is shocking when you come from an island.
01:48:21.000 Like Laird goes snowboarding in like Alaska and stuff like that because he loves all that.
01:48:25.000 Right.
01:48:26.000 But I grew up in St. Thomas and I'm just like, you know, five days in the cold, I'm like, this is so beautiful.
01:48:31.000 And then I'm like, I'm good.
01:48:33.000 But I think, you know, listen, island people, they either like Jones for the big city or the number one tourist destination for Hawaiians.
01:48:42.000 You know what it is?
01:48:43.000 What?
01:48:44.000 Vegas.
01:48:46.000 Is it really?
01:48:47.000 Well, because it's opposite, right?
01:48:49.000 It's like everything's artificial, and then you have a lot of Filipino, Japanese, Chinese, Hawaiians, so fun gambling, things like that.
01:49:00.000 Oh, yeah.
01:49:01.000 It's the number one.
01:49:01.000 Hawaiian Airlines, that's their number one destination.
01:49:03.000 For locals, they go to Vegas.
01:49:05.000 Wow.
01:49:06.000 I mean, because it's the antithesis, right?
01:49:08.000 Yeah, I guess.
01:49:08.000 You see the strip and all the neon and the craziness.
01:49:11.000 Yeah, totally.
01:49:12.000 Giant flashing this and that.
01:49:13.000 Not a drop of water or anything natural.
01:49:16.000 You're not really supposed to be there.
01:49:18.000 There's no Garden of Eden.
01:49:20.000 That makes sense.
01:49:21.000 Oh, totally.
01:49:22.000 That actually does make sense.
01:49:23.000 So either they go like, hey, I want to be a designer and live in New York, or, you know.
01:49:29.000 That's got to be the ultimate 180 culture shock.
01:49:31.000 They have that, though, for sure.
01:49:33.000 Yeah.
01:49:33.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:49:34.000 They have that.
01:49:35.000 Mm-hmm.
01:49:36.000 I'm with Laird, though, about living there.
01:49:38.000 Whenever I go there, I'm like, what in the fuck is this?
01:49:41.000 I love it.
01:49:42.000 I love New York for like a week.
01:49:44.000 Well, you can get stuff done in New York.
01:49:46.000 And to a real New Yorker, there's no other place...
01:49:50.000 Like New York, right?
01:49:51.000 I can get whatever food I want exactly how I want it.
01:49:53.000 Yeah, there's that.
01:49:54.000 And I can get stuff done.
01:49:56.000 You also breathe and break dust all day.
01:49:58.000 Yeah, it's tough.
01:49:59.000 And I don't think we're supposed to be living stacked on top of each other.
01:50:02.000 That's the thing.
01:50:03.000 And Laird's always like, yeah?
01:50:04.000 Something goes wrong?
01:50:05.000 This is the worst place you ever want to be.
01:50:07.000 It's true.
01:50:08.000 Garbage, water, toilets.
01:50:10.000 Rats.
01:50:10.000 Because he's always thinking about if they turn the power off, what's going to happen?
01:50:15.000 Yeah.
01:50:15.000 Yeah, me too.
01:50:16.000 Yeah, so that's kind of how he lives.
01:50:18.000 I mean, we had a hundred year rain in Kauai in April.
01:50:21.000 What was that like?
01:50:23.000 Five feet in a day of rain.
01:50:24.000 Holy shit.
01:50:25.000 Yeah, it was pretty radical.
01:50:26.000 And then we went through the fires.
01:50:29.000 You guys had fires and it rains that much?
01:50:31.000 Well, no.
01:50:32.000 Then we were here in Malibu.
01:50:33.000 Oh, Malibu.
01:50:34.000 And so we had that like within six months after.
01:50:36.000 So I think he's always, and I think, you know, listen, when people do things in nature like rock climbers or big wave surfers or whatever, they're more in tune with the fact that like stuff does go wrong.
01:50:46.000 And so they're not assuming that it's always going to be as it always is.
01:50:50.000 Do you get hit with big storms out there?
01:50:52.000 Where?
01:50:52.000 In Kauai?
01:50:54.000 Like hurricanes?
01:50:55.000 Yeah.
01:50:55.000 They haven't had really a significant one since Iniki, which I believe was in 92, which was really bad.
01:51:01.000 I think it was the fastest wind speed to hit land ever.
01:51:06.000 How far away are you guys as the crow flies from like the big island?
01:51:11.000 Do you see he's got a thing for the Big Island?
01:51:13.000 What's happened to you on the Big Island?
01:51:14.000 I love it there.
01:51:15.000 Did you have an experience?
01:51:17.000 No.
01:51:17.000 Did you go on a spiritual journey or anything?
01:51:19.000 I like it there because it's like a good medium.
01:51:26.000 Yep, I get it.
01:51:27.000 It's not quite as populated as Maui.
01:51:31.000 It's not as metropolitan.
01:51:33.000 No.
01:51:34.000 But it's still pretty big, whereas Lanai is probably my favorite.
01:51:37.000 Really?
01:51:37.000 Yeah.
01:51:38.000 Interesting.
01:51:39.000 It's so quiet, though.
01:51:40.000 It's so quiet.
01:51:41.000 Really?
01:51:42.000 And yeah, I hunt there.
01:51:43.000 For like a day.
01:51:43.000 Oh, there we go.
01:51:44.000 That makes sense.
01:51:45.000 It's also overpopulated.
01:51:47.000 So it's like the most, it's like the best ethical argument for hunting currently available in the United States of America.
01:51:53.000 If you want to call Hawaii the United States of America.
01:51:56.000 I know.
01:51:56.000 If you ask a Hawaiian, like, oh, you're American?
01:51:59.000 They're like, you know, Hawaiian.
01:52:00.000 Yeah, they're Hawaiian.
01:52:01.000 Yeah, they're Hawaiian.
01:52:02.000 Kauai is the most north, so it's the other end of the chain.
01:52:06.000 So how far away would it be?
01:52:07.000 So if you're going to fly in an airplane, it's an hour.
01:52:10.000 Oh, wow.
01:52:11.000 Or 45 minutes because of takeoff and landing.
01:52:13.000 If it was like straight, like we go on a plane, it's probably 28 minutes.
01:52:19.000 So how many miles is that?
01:52:20.000 Because you're going 500 miles an hour.
01:52:22.000 It's a couple hundred miles.
01:52:22.000 Yeah, it is.
01:52:23.000 Wow.
01:52:24.000 I didn't know.
01:52:25.000 Yeah.
01:52:26.000 Wow.
01:52:26.000 Yeah.
01:52:27.000 No, I mean, it's an amazing...
01:52:28.000 That's crazy.
01:52:29.000 There's a new island forming right now.
01:52:30.000 What?
01:52:31.000 Yeah.
01:52:31.000 That's outrageous.
01:52:32.000 I like your fascination with Hawaii.
01:52:34.000 Yeah?
01:52:34.000 Oh, I love it out there.
01:52:35.000 I really do.
01:52:36.000 Yeah, it's great.
01:52:37.000 Steven Tao tried to talk me into moving to Maui.
01:52:40.000 Yeah, he loves it out there.
01:52:42.000 Really?
01:52:42.000 He loves it.
01:52:44.000 Loves it.
01:52:45.000 Yeah.
01:52:46.000 He gets off, though.
01:52:47.000 Yeah, I mean, he flies around, does his Aerosmith shows and does that television show and all that jazz, but he loves Maui.
01:52:53.000 Yeah.
01:52:53.000 You don't love it too much?
01:52:55.000 I do love Maui.
01:52:56.000 I guess I lived there also when it was like a little less populated.
01:52:59.000 So it's like anything, when you watch it, you just kind of go, whoa.
01:53:02.000 But it's a great blend for me.
01:53:05.000 Yeah.
01:53:05.000 It has still nothing compared to this.
01:53:07.000 Like I was just- Yeah, that's right.
01:53:08.000 I mean, it's like this is- That's right.
01:53:10.000 What we're here is crazy.
01:53:12.000 L.A. is, what do we have, like 35 million people here or something?
01:53:15.000 Something preposterous.
01:53:15.000 They didn't even know, really.
01:53:16.000 They're just guessing.
01:53:17.000 What are you, like, the ninth largest economy in the world?
01:53:20.000 Yeah, I told them when we had this whole thing with all the Mexican, you know, the Mexican, you know, whatever, non-illegal, whatever, I said, I have a friend of mine who, he's from here, but he's from Mexico, and I said, you should band together.
01:53:36.000 You have the ninth largest economy in the world.
01:53:40.000 And get together and have demands because you're helping run the ninth largest economy in the world.
01:53:46.000 Well, that's what's hilarious about people that want the immigrants to go back to Mexico.
01:53:50.000 Listen, stupid, this thing would fall apart.
01:53:52.000 That's what I told them.
01:53:53.000 I go, mobilize, let's go.
01:53:55.000 Well, that's what's crazy about it.
01:53:56.000 It's like they're already a part of the system.
01:53:59.000 Like, why don't they get the benefits?
01:54:01.000 That's what I think.
01:54:01.000 But he was laughing because when I went to see him, I go, how's it going?
01:54:03.000 He goes, well, hopefully I'm here tomorrow joking, you know?
01:54:05.000 And I go...
01:54:06.000 You guys, like, you're making it happen.
01:54:09.000 Yeah.
01:54:09.000 It's hard, though, to get people to organize like that.
01:54:11.000 They're so worried about being shipped out.
01:54:13.000 You know, I had a friend of mine who was a veteran, and he's an older gentleman.
01:54:17.000 He's in his 50s.
01:54:19.000 He got pulled over at ICE. Oh, come on.
01:54:23.000 At the Home Depot.
01:54:24.000 They asked him where he was born, and he said, Hey, asshole, you're not supposed to ask questions like that.
01:54:28.000 Like, you don't have a warrant to do that.
01:54:30.000 And he started grilling the guys, and he pulled out his military ID. He's like, What the fuck are you guys doing here?
01:54:34.000 What do you think you're doing?
01:54:35.000 Yeah.
01:54:36.000 It's awful.
01:54:37.000 Yeah, I'm American.
01:54:37.000 I was born in America.
01:54:39.000 Yeah.
01:54:39.000 He goes, I'm an American citizen.
01:54:40.000 I'm also a veteran.
01:54:41.000 And then he goes, like, you guys, this is illegal.
01:54:43.000 You're not supposed to talk to people like this.
01:54:45.000 But they can do that to people that don't know and are scared.
01:54:49.000 Right.
01:54:49.000 I mean...
01:54:50.000 Yeah, but if you're just an American citizen at fucking Home Depot, you're not supposed to get harassed by some guy who thinks you might be Mexican because you're brown.
01:54:58.000 You have some brown skin.
01:54:59.000 Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
01:55:01.000 But it's just also like, is this really where our problems are?
01:55:04.000 What about using these resources in a positive way?
01:55:07.000 Wow.
01:55:07.000 There's a lot of shit that needs to get done.
01:55:10.000 But that's everywhere.
01:55:12.000 Think about how much time gets spent on not doing anything and going the other direction.
01:55:18.000 I don't know.
01:55:19.000 Well, isn't that less of a problem, though, when you have a small community like Hawaii?
01:55:23.000 That's got to be like a huge alleviation of frustration.
01:55:27.000 This is just the giant masses of people and the stupid jobs everywhere.
01:55:31.000 It's like you guys got to kind of boil down to a much more natural state.
01:55:36.000 Well, and it's all very accountable, right?
01:55:38.000 Like if I say something to you, I don't get to walk away from that.
01:55:42.000 Right, you're on a fucking little island.
01:55:44.000 I'm going to see you 50 more times that day.
01:55:46.000 And so I got to own it.
01:55:48.000 That was all Laird's biggest adjustment, because everything he does and says, he owns it.
01:55:56.000 And so when he first came here, and even driving, if someone flicked him off, you just don't do that in Hawaii.
01:56:02.000 Right.
01:56:03.000 Because you're like, I know your truck.
01:56:04.000 I know you.
01:56:04.000 I know your sister.
01:56:05.000 I'm coming to your house.
01:56:07.000 What are you talking about, right?
01:56:08.000 Yeah.
01:56:09.000 And I've been with him where he has pulled people over and said, listen, you can't go and just drop off aggressive gestures.
01:56:19.000 You just don't know what's up with people.
01:56:22.000 You've got to be accountable.
01:56:23.000 And I'm like, okay, but you cannot stop every vehicle and jump out and be like, hey.
01:56:28.000 Right, right, right.
01:56:29.000 Does he do that here or does he do that there?
01:56:31.000 No, he's done it here.
01:56:32.000 No, you don't have to do it there.
01:56:33.000 Right, but if you do it here, it's dangerous.
01:56:35.000 Yeah, I guess.
01:56:37.000 It can be.
01:56:38.000 It can be.
01:56:39.000 It's true.
01:56:39.000 It can be.
01:56:41.000 But again, he's older and wiser now.
01:56:44.000 I'm talking about maybe when we first were together in his early 30s.
01:56:47.000 Crazy layered.
01:56:48.000 But he still has a look in his eye where it's like, I don't know.
01:56:52.000 Yeah, I get it.
01:56:54.000 Yeah.
01:56:54.000 Well, if you're really used to that environment, too, where everybody is accountable, and then you see these just assholes beeping and sticking the finger at people.
01:57:01.000 And also, if you really said, okay, let's go outside, they'd be like, I'm going to get a lawyer.
01:57:05.000 I think for him, that's the weird twisty part.
01:57:07.000 It's like, in Hawaii, if they say it, it's like, okay, let's go.
01:57:10.000 At least it's like, okay, I'm going to stand up to own the words I say and everything.
01:57:15.000 Here, it's like, if you go, okay, and they go, you know...
01:57:20.000 I'm going to call somebody.
01:57:21.000 He's like, okay, well, which is it?
01:57:24.000 You know, like, I always tell my kid that my one daughter does that.
01:57:26.000 She'll be, like, really aggressive, and then if you call her on it, she gets, like, she's the victim.
01:57:30.000 I go, no, no, you have to pick.
01:57:32.000 Like, which one are you?
01:57:33.000 Are you, like, aggressive or are you the victim?
01:57:35.000 I don't know.
01:57:36.000 I think it's interesting.
01:57:37.000 He will call people out every time, though.
01:57:40.000 If they're acting weird, he'll just say, like, what's up?
01:57:42.000 Or how's your day today?
01:57:43.000 I'm like, oh, people are not accustomed to...
01:57:46.000 Because in Hawaii, they're just very respectful that way.
01:57:49.000 Well, there's accountability.
01:57:51.000 It's very important.
01:57:52.000 Yeah.
01:57:53.000 There's also a lot of fighters come out of Hawaii.
01:57:56.000 Well, because it's a fighting, it's a warrior culture.
01:57:59.000 So, you know, like, uncles slap boys' heads, and it's also now, because of the Brazilian influence coming in, now you've got, you know, jiu-jitsu, and also, think about this, they're pretty strong,
01:58:14.000 right?
01:58:15.000 And so, contact, they don't mind little contact.
01:58:19.000 Like, they even joke about, like, Polynesian rugby players, like, Like, it's like, oh, fun.
01:58:23.000 Like, oh, haha.
01:58:24.000 You know, like, we're leveling each other.
01:58:26.000 Right.
01:58:26.000 So you're also talking about people who maybe they don't mind a little contact.
01:58:29.000 Yeah.
01:58:30.000 You know, like, playful.
01:58:31.000 Because they are also playful.
01:58:32.000 Mm-hmm.
01:58:33.000 So it's also, like, this weird thing of, like, I don't take myself so serious.
01:58:37.000 Right.
01:58:37.000 So there's, like, a playfulness, but also, like, oh, we're gonna...
01:58:41.000 Do you notice a big difference between, like, female athletes and male athletes?
01:58:45.000 Like, okay, because fighting is a pretty...
01:58:49.000 I don't want to say exaggerated, but it's an interesting thing where you have men and women kind of differently but doing the same thing, if you will.
01:58:59.000 Do you notice a difference in their mentality?
01:59:05.000 Well, they vary so much individually.
01:59:07.000 That's what's interesting.
01:59:08.000 You'll find even male fighters who are super laid back, and then you find other ones that are really intense and super emotional.
01:59:16.000 And it's really hard to tell.
01:59:20.000 Gunnar Nelson is a guy from Iceland.
01:59:21.000 Do you know who he is?
01:59:22.000 I know who he is.
01:59:22.000 Yeah, fantastic jiu-jitsu guy.
01:59:24.000 You cannot get that guy to change his expression.
01:59:26.000 It doesn't change.
01:59:27.000 You can punch him, kick him in the balls.
01:59:29.000 He stays stoic.
01:59:31.000 He's a weird guy.
01:59:32.000 He's very on one side of it, and then there's guys like Conor McGregor, who's also his training partner, who's on a completely different side of it.
01:59:40.000 He's screaming and yelling, talking shit to everybody, and that's part of his flair.
01:59:44.000 Right.
01:59:44.000 You know, they vary so widely.
01:59:46.000 And that's true with girls, too.
01:59:48.000 Some girls are brash and outrageous and they get in other girls' faces and put their knuckles on their nose and they're at the stare down and other girls bow and they hug and they take selfies together. 1.00
01:59:58.000 It's like everyone has their own sort of approach to it.
02:00:01.000 Yeah.
02:00:01.000 It's very interesting.
02:00:02.000 It is interesting.
02:00:04.000 Fighting intrigues me in that I think it's interesting that you're trying to be offensive and defensive at the same time, dealing with fear, like all these things happening simultaneously.
02:00:15.000 And I then take it, I look at it one step further with a female because... 1.00
02:00:22.000 I don't know.
02:00:24.000 I'm interested to know if a female can fight from not a non-emotional place, but without her emotion. 1.00
02:00:34.000 Like, just like, okay, I'm in my male, I'm in my athlete, and I'm not going to be like, oh, she didn't just kick me in the ear, you know, and like freak out, you know what I mean?
02:00:45.000 Because I think about myself and I'd be like, ugh.
02:00:48.000 You know, like, I've only been in one fight my whole life, and the girl hit me in the face, and when I saw my blood, I was like, oh, no, she did not just hit me in the face, you know, and then went crazy.
02:00:58.000 But if these girls could be like, because they're so well trained as an athlete, how that can supersede, like, or override, actually, like, this feminine impulse of, like... 1.00
02:01:12.000 You know, reaction.
02:01:13.000 A reaction.
02:01:14.000 That's a masculine impulse, too, though.
02:01:16.000 I think it's a human impulse.
02:01:17.000 If a guy punches you in the face, you get furious.
02:01:19.000 It's so hard for people to not get emotional when they get hit.
02:01:22.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
02:01:23.000 Because you want to get it back.
02:01:24.000 That's a good point.
02:01:25.000 It's a very bad way to react in a fight.
02:01:27.000 To fight with emotions because you expose yourself.
02:01:30.000 Right.
02:01:30.000 You leave yourself open for counters.
02:01:33.000 You miss your rhythm.
02:01:35.000 You're not as deceptive in your emotions.
02:01:38.000 You're too obvious in your pattern.
02:01:40.000 And somebody times you.
02:01:41.000 You get hit a lot more.
02:01:43.000 It's a big problem with fighters.
02:01:45.000 That emotion is a very big problem.
02:01:47.000 And the wanting to break people, like letting them hit you so you can show them that they can't hurt you.
02:01:52.000 That's a masculine thing too.
02:01:54.000 Stupid.
02:01:55.000 It's very stupid.
02:01:56.000 Take it on the face on purpose.
02:01:58.000 And then just like, come on, come on, come on, hit me.
02:02:00.000 That's what you have?
02:02:01.000 Yeah.
02:02:01.000 That's a terrible emotion though because you can get completely knocked unconscious doing that.
02:02:06.000 Happens all the time.
02:02:07.000 It's just the smart thing to do is to fight Right.
02:02:28.000 I think it's interesting, though, those sports where there is that, I mean, listen, versions of it is football, you know, living with Laird, obviously, you know, he always says he appreciates Mother Nature because it's like you make good decisions, you're rewarded,
02:02:43.000 you make bad decisions, you pay a price.
02:02:46.000 But I think it is very interesting when you have two humans strategically trying to deconstruct one another.
02:02:55.000 The chess, the physical chess that goes on, like looking at it from another athlete's point of view, I think it's a unique person that wants to put themselves in that situation.
02:03:08.000 I understand almost like a surfer and a wave and a rock climber and a mountain.
02:03:15.000 I get that.
02:03:16.000 I'm going to be a part of that.
02:03:19.000 But I find it really interesting.
02:03:22.000 I'm even more curious about women who say, yeah, this is going to be my sport. 1.00
02:03:27.000 They vary so widely.
02:03:29.000 Like there's Holly Holm, who's...
02:03:31.000 She just seems like awfully sweet.
02:03:33.000 She's so sweet.
02:03:33.000 She seems like she'd bring you cupcakes or something.
02:03:35.000 Meanwhile, she'll murder you. 1.00
02:03:36.000 She'll kick your fucking head clean up. 1.00
02:03:38.000 I mean, listen, I saw that kick.
02:03:39.000 But then it's like, I'm so sorry I made you these after, you know, like chocolate chip cookies.
02:03:44.000 It's like, okay, I'll get it, you know, when I come back from the hospital.
02:03:48.000 I don't know.
02:03:49.000 It is interesting when you see girls like that. 1.00
02:03:51.000 Yeah, well, they're all different.
02:03:53.000 I always want to know, do they have brothers?
02:03:55.000 Like where they rabble rousing and that their whole time and they learned to play and it wasn't personal.
02:04:01.000 You know, and like a little contact was okay.
02:04:04.000 Maybe.
02:04:05.000 I mean, in Ronda Rousey's case, it was very personal.
02:04:09.000 Her mom, right?
02:04:09.000 Yeah.
02:04:09.000 Her mom was a world judo champion.
02:04:11.000 Her mom was a beast. 1.00
02:04:12.000 She's had an interesting path, I think, Ronda Rousey.
02:04:15.000 Yeah.
02:04:16.000 I wonder how much she loves the WWE. I always wonder when a person is an elite athlete at the highest level.
02:04:23.000 A real one.
02:04:23.000 A real one.
02:04:24.000 If they...
02:04:25.000 They still enjoy doing that?
02:04:27.000 Because I think she enjoyed it, though.
02:04:28.000 I think she was a fan of it before she ever got involved.
02:04:30.000 You mean like the theater of it?
02:04:31.000 Yeah.
02:04:31.000 I think she actually enjoyed pro wrestling.
02:04:34.000 I mean, they are doing athletic things, even though it's scripted.
02:04:38.000 Obviously, flying off of and into and around.
02:04:41.000 Oh, yeah.
02:04:41.000 I mean, it's athletic, but it's scripted.
02:04:43.000 Yes, it's not competition.
02:04:45.000 But then again, you can only get knocked unconscious so many times.
02:04:50.000 You can only get fucked up so many times.
02:04:52.000 And she got fucked up two fights in a row. 0.99
02:04:54.000 I know.
02:04:54.000 Really bad.
02:04:55.000 The Holly Holm KO, which was ruthless.
02:04:58.000 That was brutal.
02:04:59.000 And then Amanda Nunes just punched her face in for 48 seconds. 1.00
02:05:02.000 It was horrific.
02:05:03.000 That was hard to watch.
02:05:05.000 I don't like to watch really big guys punch each other.
02:05:09.000 And women. 0.98
02:05:10.000 I don't know why.
02:05:11.000 Like, when guys are a little smaller, it's easier to watch, as long as they're not kicking themselves in the head.
02:05:17.000 I'm just saying.
02:05:19.000 So the big scary ones, like heavyweights dropping bombs on each other.
02:05:22.000 Yeah, you just go, oh my god, that took eight years off that guy's, you know?
02:05:27.000 Yeah.
02:05:28.000 It's definitely different.
02:05:29.000 You really do notice it.
02:05:30.000 Like, there's certain heavyweights and they hit guys and they get knocked unconscious, whether it's Francis Ngannou or Stipe Miocic or these big guys and they slam someone.
02:05:40.000 It's like, oh my god.
02:05:41.000 That's what I mean.
02:05:41.000 Like, I watch that.
02:05:42.000 I don't actually, I mean violence.
02:05:44.000 I know it's sport, but for me it's...
02:05:46.000 Oh, it's violent.
02:05:47.000 It is, yeah.
02:05:48.000 Yeah.
02:05:48.000 It's a...
02:05:49.000 It is a very dangerous path that you have to know when to get off.
02:05:55.000 I don't know if I would say more so than other combat sports, but I think all of them have a path.
02:06:02.000 But I think very specifically MMA has.
02:06:05.000 You have to be really careful because...
02:06:08.000 We're good to go.
02:06:29.000 And sometimes they don't know what else to do.
02:06:31.000 They don't have anywhere else to go.
02:06:32.000 And that goes back to...
02:06:33.000 Yeah.
02:06:34.000 I talked to Larry about that because we have tons of friends in organized sports.
02:06:38.000 So if you have to be drafted or the team has to pick you up or whatever.
02:06:43.000 And I say to him, how fortunate are you that you're in a sport...
02:06:48.000 Like other athletes, like a snowboarder or whatever, that you can go.
02:06:53.000 You can go out.
02:06:55.000 You want to ride?
02:06:56.000 You can go ride.
02:06:57.000 Nobody's dictating to you.
02:06:58.000 And if you're really smart and you're managing yourself and your health and your well-being and your melon and everything else, you could ride a really long time.
02:07:06.000 Yeah, that's a big difference between that and a competitive fighter.
02:07:08.000 55 years of age, you aren't doing shit.
02:07:11.000 Can you imagine getting hit over and over?
02:07:12.000 No chance.
02:07:13.000 I mean, you can still train in certain aspects, especially jujitsu.
02:07:17.000 A lot of people deep in their 60s, 70s, 80s train.
02:07:20.000 You can definitely do that, but there's such a difference.
02:07:24.000 Laird can go out there and do what he wants to do at the same level he was able to do two decades ago.
02:07:30.000 I know.
02:07:30.000 It's exhausting, actually, to live with.
02:07:34.000 I swear to God.
02:07:36.000 Because I feel like Laird is, like, I, in this way of, like, when you live with somebody that's sort of, you know, it's like, I mean, you have a partner.
02:07:45.000 It's like, in ways, they're a reference to you, in certain ways.
02:07:49.000 And so, like, living with him and you're referencing him as an athlete, you're just like, oh, man, I gotta get busy.
02:07:57.000 I gotta get training.
02:07:59.000 I gotta get moving.
02:08:00.000 You know, it's just like, because he's...
02:08:03.000 He's non-stop, that guy.
02:08:04.000 Because he has to.
02:08:05.000 That's a different type.
02:08:06.000 A lot of times I'll train because I'm like, hey, I know how good I feel when I'm done and it's important and I have other stuff I need to do, but I'm going to get it in.
02:08:15.000 And for a guy like that, it's just like...
02:08:18.000 What would it be like if I took an 80-pound dumbbell and sat at the bottom of the pool for a minute and then tried to do 15?
02:08:23.000 You know, it's just like he also has a creative approach.
02:08:26.000 I'm more linear.
02:08:27.000 And it's like for time and for this.
02:08:30.000 And he's like, let's just go until we can't anymore.
02:08:32.000 It's like, okay, when's that drill going to end?
02:08:35.000 You know what I mean?
02:08:37.000 Do you train with him?
02:08:39.000 Only in the pool.
02:08:40.000 I'm telling you, you've got to come with a friend.
02:08:42.000 And someone that you feel safe with.
02:08:44.000 And I'm going to be honest with you, we have fighters and trainers have the hardest time in the pool.
02:08:50.000 Really?
02:08:51.000 Yes, and I'll tell you why.
02:08:52.000 A lot of them are built, they have a lot of mass.
02:08:56.000 So number one, right there, just the mass.
02:08:58.000 You're more dense, you go to the bottom.
02:09:01.000 The other side of it is, they're used to doing everything quickly.
02:09:07.000 And the water's like, awesome that you want to do it quick.
02:09:10.000 This is how we're going to do it.
02:09:12.000 And so it's a pretty cool environment.
02:09:15.000 But we've had fighters and trainers and they're built for it.
02:09:19.000 But obviously once they get the hang of it.
02:09:21.000 But I think it's...
02:09:23.000 It's pretty special, the training, because when you're done, again, it goes back to, I am like a noodle.
02:09:30.000 You're exhausted, and your joints are not just hammered.
02:09:34.000 And this is called XPT, is that what you call it?
02:09:36.000 Yeah, that's XPT. It's part of the whole thing.
02:09:39.000 Is there a protocol online that you can follow?
02:09:41.000 Yeah.
02:09:41.000 I mean, with the pull training, though, it's like you have to kind of do it with somebody.
02:09:44.000 Someone has to show you how.
02:09:45.000 Yeah.
02:09:45.000 I mean, we started originally, it was like, we'd wear weight vests.
02:09:48.000 And Laird's like, just go tread as long as you can.
02:09:50.000 And it's like, okay.
02:09:52.000 I think I'm good now.
02:09:53.000 Like, I cannot swim anymore.
02:09:55.000 You know, I can't tread anymore.
02:09:57.000 And then, it was actually one of my daughters, she might have been like six or seven at the time, maybe younger, and she would swim to the surface with a dumbbell.
02:10:04.000 And Laird's like, oh, what if we made, you had reps?
02:10:07.000 And you do sequencing where you're on an exhale or on an inhale or whatever.
02:10:11.000 He'll go from like a...
02:10:14.000 You know, a VersaClimber or a bike and have your heart rate way up and then go, okay, now you're going to do the set.
02:10:22.000 So it's like there's all these ways to adapt.
02:10:25.000 It's pretty cool.
02:10:26.000 I think for people who train, that's the whole thing is how do you keep modifying?
02:10:29.000 Do you get locked in on your training or do you keep going, okay, I've heard you talk about like, oh, I've added yoga and all these things.
02:10:37.000 That's the other thing is you get pretty good at something, but now how do you keep kind of adding?
02:10:41.000 Doing things that you're sort of unsure, you're uncomfortable, you're not good at.
02:10:45.000 I think that that's always been easier for Laird than me.
02:10:48.000 I've always sort of been like, well, no, I'm good over here.
02:10:50.000 I do this good.
02:10:51.000 It's like, okay, change it up.
02:10:54.000 So I think that's a thing.
02:10:56.000 So that has everything.
02:10:58.000 We do a lot of breathing, heat and ice.
02:11:00.000 Because his other thing is like active recovery.
02:11:02.000 People go, oh, I have a day off.
02:11:06.000 It's like, okay, so what are you going to do to actively recover, not just take the day off?
02:11:10.000 So I think he's been really into that.
02:11:14.000 So active recovery meaning you do some other light spore?
02:11:17.000 Like either breathing or something mellow so that you can participate in helping the body actually recover, not just sit around.
02:11:23.000 Right.
02:11:24.000 How much of a benefit is that in doing something physical as opposed to just sitting around doing nothing?
02:11:29.000 I think it makes a huge difference because I don't think it's about I have to tax my adrenals or my nervous system or any of that.
02:11:38.000 I think it's, okay, I'm going to take a yin yoga class so the poses are long. 1.00
02:11:44.000 It won't be necessarily a high-flow class.
02:11:48.000 Mm-hmm.
02:11:48.000 Or I'm going to do multiple series of heat and ice.
02:11:51.000 Like some days he'll go and just do three rounds in the sauna and three rounds on the ice.
02:11:55.000 Or I'm going to do 35 or 45 minutes of breathing, you know, recovery breathing, things like that to really oxygenate the tissue in the cells and things like that.
02:12:04.000 So I think it's just kind of...
02:12:06.000 Looking at what a day off looks like and making that something that you participate in supporting the recovery, not just I laid around.
02:12:15.000 Now, having said that, there are days where after you're done with that, yeah, great, lay around.
02:12:19.000 Like, go to sleep early, eat extra, more calories, whatever you need to do.
02:12:24.000 But I think active recovery, even riding a bike, you know, flushing the system, the tissue, things like that.
02:12:31.000 I think people...
02:12:33.000 I think off means nothing.
02:12:37.000 Or for certain athletes, maybe get a massage that day.
02:12:40.000 That might be the best thing.
02:12:42.000 So I think for him it's feeling it out.
02:12:45.000 Do you guys use any electronics in terms of apps or heart rate monitors or anything along those lines?
02:12:51.000 Not too, too much.
02:12:52.000 I used to use a Fitbit.
02:12:55.000 Laird uses an oximeter, like if he does breathing, to see if he can get himself up to altitude.
02:13:03.000 So he'll use that to measure and things like that.
02:13:06.000 But I think once you do something a really, really long time...
02:13:11.000 You sort of go, am I on the edge or aren't I? He'll use electronics more for speed and distance.
02:13:18.000 He'll put it on his boards and be like, okay, we went X miles and the peak speed was, whatever, 50 miles an hour.
02:13:26.000 So he'll use it more for that to measure distance on how many miles he rode each day on the water, but not necessarily micromanaging things.
02:13:44.000 Right.
02:13:47.000 Right.
02:13:54.000 Yeah, I would think that things like heart rate variability, finding out if you're recovering correctly, whether or not your heart rate varies in the morning, day to day.
02:14:04.000 But yeah, that makes a big difference if you're doing something like Michael Phelps or something like that.
02:14:09.000 I think so, or track athlete, where it's all these milliseconds.
02:14:12.000 I think for Laird, it's like, I feel good today, and I'm going to go.
02:14:16.000 Yeah.
02:14:16.000 Well, there's a lot more natural.
02:14:18.000 It's a more natural thing, isn't it?
02:14:20.000 Yeah, don't you have those days like you go, wow, I'm tired today.
02:14:24.000 And I'll just kind of do the best I can.
02:14:26.000 But I think I understand wanting to measure things and also sort of saying, I feel tired.
02:14:31.000 Because there's an interesting thing of feeling tired.
02:14:34.000 Physically, but you're actually emotionally tired because if you look at your metrics on your physical, you have a lot more to give.
02:14:40.000 And so it's kind of then checking in and saying, well, what's going on?
02:14:44.000 For me, I'm usually more tired personally than I am physically.
02:14:48.000 That makes sense.
02:14:50.000 Especially with your 11-year-old giving you shit.
02:14:52.000 Brody, man.
02:14:53.000 She's awesome. 0.83
02:14:55.000 But that's what I'm saying.
02:14:56.000 I could be wiped out.
02:14:58.000 I could train for an hour and I could hang out with Brody 13 minutes in the car and she's the victor.
02:15:02.000 Her foot's on my hip and she's standing in the pose. 0.82
02:15:07.000 And that's one of my many lessons, ongoing lessons, is like...
02:15:15.000 You cannot go at everything head on.
02:15:18.000 And I've learned that certainly being in a marriage.
02:15:22.000 I developed a little bit of finesse.
02:15:25.000 And as a parent, just kind of going like, I'm here to love you, I'm here to support you, and I'm also going to recognize that you're probably not going to always do it, hardly ever actually, the way I think you should or I want you to.
02:15:39.000 So what made you guys start putting together the coffee and the superfood supplements and all that jazz?
02:15:46.000 Just by accident, really.
02:15:48.000 What happened is Laird, as long as I've known him, he's had coffee come from all around.
02:15:54.000 He's a coffee freak.
02:15:56.000 And then what happened is Paul Cech...
02:15:59.000 I don't know, 16 years ago, gave him ghee in his coffee.
02:16:03.000 And the two of those animals would be like down in the coffee well getting all jacked up on caffeine and I'd be standing in the gym waiting for them being like, oh my god, like hanging out with these two, you know, for the next two hours.
02:16:16.000 We're good to go.
02:16:34.000 I think for about three years, we'd have guys come over and they'd be like, hey, can you make me one of those coffees?
02:16:39.000 And after a while, they'd start sending me emails like, well, how much coconut and how much this and how much that did he put in?
02:16:45.000 And our friend Paul was like, do you mind if I try to put it together in a formula?
02:16:49.000 And I was like, yeah, whatever.
02:16:50.000 And it wasn't with the intention of having a business.
02:16:53.000 And then before you know it, it came out.
02:16:56.000 And so then we have like original creamer with unsweetened, there's turmeric, there's hydrate products.
02:17:04.000 You know, it's all based on things that Laird really eats and uses.
02:17:09.000 And, you know, mushroom blends that I actually put, that's how I do my coffee in the morning is I put that in and do that.
02:17:15.000 So, you know, that's another good example of like, if you're doing something because you really believe in it and really, and that business has, we're really fortunate.
02:17:25.000 It's, we have a factory in Sisters, Oregon, and they built another one and Oh, wow.
02:17:31.000 Yeah, no, it's, we have no, like, they do everything, like, no co-packing partners, we do it, and now we're looking into farming ingredients and doing a drying factory so we can do that and put that into the product and things like that, so...
02:17:45.000 I don't know.
02:17:45.000 I think it started from a genuine passion and came into that.
02:17:50.000 I always say, too, I was playing volleyball in college at 17, and then I started working and was doing other jobs by 18 or 19. But Laird, his path has been really different.
02:18:03.000 And really, he didn't get...
02:18:04.000 In surfing, people maybe knew who Laird was.
02:18:07.000 He was sort of always on the outside.
02:18:08.000 But then it's really he was like 35 years old when someone from the outside went, oh, that's kind of cool.
02:18:17.000 So 35 would be considered old, I think, for an athlete.
02:18:20.000 And I think it's somebody who thought, I have something inside me telling me to go forward.
02:18:25.000 And I think that I feel that same way.
02:18:27.000 Like, people said to me, like, well, why did you do this or that?
02:18:30.000 I go, because I could feel it inside.
02:18:32.000 It's like, you know that from what you do, because you've done a lot of different things.
02:18:36.000 And just kind of, not only trying to develop that, but try to trust it.
02:18:44.000 And say, even though I've...
02:18:48.000 I don't see it all clearly right now.
02:18:50.000 I feel it, and I'm going to just keep following that feeling.
02:18:54.000 And it doesn't always lead to some grand destination, but maybe those lessons and that place lead you to the next, which could be a place that brings you other things.
02:19:07.000 So, yeah, these businesses are just a natural byproduct of our lifestyle, but it's pretty great.
02:19:14.000 It's pretty awesome.
02:19:15.000 You've got great stuff.
02:19:16.000 I didn't start drinking coffee until I was 45. Really?
02:19:18.000 Yeah, because Laird would be like, because then he was like, try this one and try that and try this.
02:19:23.000 I liked caffeine.
02:19:24.000 I just wasn't into coffee.
02:19:26.000 How would you take it?
02:19:27.000 Like yerba mate teas and stuff.
02:19:29.000 I get all jacked up on that stuff.
02:19:31.000 That stuff.
02:19:31.000 You ever drink that stuff?
02:19:32.000 Yeah, good stuff.
02:19:33.000 You better go straight to whatever you're doing.
02:19:35.000 I have a yerba mate, and I'm like, tell my kids, you get your stuff, you're in the car, you have your bags, let's go.
02:19:39.000 Let's go!
02:19:39.000 And they're just like, did you have a yerba mate?
02:19:42.000 You're a crazy person.
02:19:44.000 And now I've switched to the caffeine with the fats.
02:19:48.000 But I like it, and I like the business aspect of it, quite frankly.
02:19:52.000 For me, that's interesting, too.
02:19:54.000 Well, you guys make cool stuff.
02:19:56.000 Well, thank you.
02:19:57.000 I'll send you more.
02:19:58.000 You're great on podcasts.
02:19:59.000 Do you do podcasts?
02:20:00.000 I had a podcast with Neil Strauss.
02:20:03.000 And did you stop doing it?
02:20:04.000 Yeah, Neil's a busy guy, and we had a podcast.
02:20:07.000 Did you do your own?
02:20:07.000 We did it in the sauna.
02:20:09.000 Oh, wow.
02:20:09.000 We called the Truth Barrel.
02:20:11.000 That's what it was called.
02:20:11.000 We were literally in the sauna in our bathing suits.
02:20:13.000 Because our group, when we get together, we would sit in the sauna.
02:20:17.000 And you know this, if you have friends over, you go, hey, you know what, I'm having love problems.
02:20:21.000 Okay, we got eight minutes, because it's fucking 200 degrees.
02:20:23.000 Like, let's get into it.
02:20:24.000 You're half naked, so you're sort of, there you are.
02:20:28.000 And so, I got an invitation to do a podcast, and so I thought, Neil and I are so very, very different people.
02:20:34.000 Like, really different.
02:20:35.000 And I thought it'd be more interesting to have us with our points of view.
02:20:41.000 Because then you also realize that as different as we are, is we're really looking for the same things.
02:20:45.000 We're trying to figure out love.
02:20:46.000 We're trying to be parents.
02:20:48.000 We're trying to work, take care of ourselves, age, whatever, all this stuff you're navigating.
02:20:52.000 And so we did that for like a year and a half.
02:20:54.000 It was a lot of fun.
02:20:55.000 And people were like in there, in their bathing suit, sweating, at my house, in the sauna.
02:21:00.000 Yeah.
02:21:00.000 In the truth barrel, because that's what we always called it.
02:21:02.000 You can't lie in the sauna.
02:21:04.000 But they're only like 10 minutes long?
02:21:05.000 No, we would open the door.
02:21:07.000 Oh.
02:21:08.000 But it was like, and I try to turn it way down.
02:21:10.000 Because Laird has our sauna to 220. 220?
02:21:13.000 You're getting cooked!
02:21:14.000 No, it's exactly right.
02:21:16.000 But if you couple it with ice, you're sort of grateful for the 220. So I would turn it, I'd try to turn it down to like 120. And inevitably, the next day, when it was our real life saunaing, Laird's like, who's been messing with the dial in my sauna?
02:21:28.000 You know, it's like this whole thing.
02:21:29.000 And I'm like, well, we were shooting.
02:21:30.000 We can't sit in there for an hour.
02:21:32.000 You see people, they're like, can I go out?
02:21:33.000 And they jump in the pool and then come back in.
02:21:35.000 It was really fun.
02:21:37.000 I liked it because there's something like you just get right to it.
02:21:41.000 Right.
02:21:42.000 Well, why don't you just do it on your own?
02:21:45.000 You know what, Joe?
02:21:46.000 I listen to your podcast a lot, and I think to myself, very few people can do what you do.
02:21:52.000 I think it's really important to not only recognize when someone does something really well, because everyone thinks, oh, I could do that.
02:22:00.000 It's like, well, no, you can't, actually.
02:22:02.000 And so for me, I'm very curious about people, and I used to do a lot of TV where I'd interview athletes.
02:22:08.000 That was more interesting to me than being interviewed, because that's how you learn, right?
02:22:14.000 Like you go, okay, how do you do it?
02:22:15.000 I know how I do it.
02:22:16.000 I don't need to know that.
02:22:17.000 I need to know what you're doing.
02:22:19.000 And I just think it does interest me, but I would want to do it right and not just assume like you can do it.
02:22:28.000 Because to do it really well, it's a special talent.
02:22:33.000 I just had a lot of practice.
02:22:34.000 You go back and listen to the early ones, they sucked.
02:22:37.000 You just get better at it.
02:22:38.000 Yeah, no, and I get that too, but I think it's just knowing, I think this is important in all things in life, because we like something, not maybe for me because I do really like this, is just because we like something doesn't mean we have to do that too.
02:22:53.000 Right.
02:22:53.000 Like, I think it's still, like, drilling down on, you know, what do you want to do?
02:22:58.000 Like, because when I hear you, you go from a comedian to, like, a scientist, a physicist to, you know, it's like, it shows your genuine passions in all these areas.
02:23:09.000 And that's what's interesting.
02:23:11.000 I mean, I always want to talk about, like, how do you get it done?
02:23:14.000 Yeah.
02:23:15.000 I'm so interested in how people, if they can arrive at any place where there's a sense of joy moving in and out of their life and self-care.
02:23:25.000 Because I think when people talk about health and fitness or wellness, I think they're off the mark about what it really is.
02:23:32.000 I think for me, what I've learned is like, I train and eat well just so I have a fighting chance to support any kind of happiness.
02:23:42.000 And it isn't just about like, I'm ripped.
02:23:45.000 You know, not me, but like this notion of what people are putting out there that fitness is.
02:23:49.000 It's like, that's all great.
02:23:51.000 But if you still haven't figured out some of these other things as a person, it's like, I don't know, it seems like you're wrestling the wrong things.
02:23:59.000 So I'm always really interested in, and also, Not only how they get it done, but also not making it seem like it's so easy.
02:24:10.000 I always joke when people do interviews and they go, how are your children?
02:24:15.000 They're amazing.
02:24:17.000 And I'm like, my kids are amazing too.
02:24:19.000 And they, you know, crush our balls on a daily basis.
02:24:23.000 And isn't that everybody's house?
02:24:25.000 You know?
02:24:25.000 Or people will say to me, I mean, do you unlearn, ever fight?
02:24:30.000 I mean, we have.
02:24:32.000 And we haven't always had perfect, you know, like, there's been times where it was like, maybe we're not going to stay together.
02:24:38.000 And I guess for me, that would be really interesting, is to communicate in a way that's like...
02:24:45.000 Yeah.
02:24:48.000 Yeah.
02:25:01.000 You know, not like, I feel great.
02:25:03.000 I do feel great.
02:25:05.000 I do.
02:25:05.000 I feel great.
02:25:06.000 I'm sure you do.
02:25:07.000 But there are days where you go, oh, time.
02:25:10.000 You're a real human.
02:25:11.000 Time's moving.
02:25:12.000 Yeah.
02:25:12.000 Sometimes I say that to Laird, because, you know, you don't want to be that wife.
02:25:16.000 Do I look old, Tio?
02:25:17.000 It's like, he doesn't notice.
02:25:19.000 You know what I mean?
02:25:20.000 I said, today, it was funny.
02:25:22.000 I had a thing, like, I realized, like, time's moving.
02:25:25.000 And he goes, mm-hmm.
02:25:29.000 Right.
02:25:31.000 Right.
02:25:49.000 You have so much to say.
02:25:51.000 I think it's like a natural progression for you to do another podcast, to do your own.
02:25:56.000 I don't know.
02:25:57.000 You have so much bouncing around.
02:25:58.000 Do I? I feel like I'm so boring.
02:26:00.000 You're not boring at all.
02:26:01.000 No, I swear to God.
02:26:02.000 I feel like, you know...
02:26:04.000 It's probably because you think about yourself so much, you're probably annoyed that you're thinking about yourself.
02:26:08.000 Yeah.
02:26:09.000 Trying to fix this and change that and adapt here and evolve there.
02:26:13.000 Yeah.
02:26:14.000 If you're really paying attention.
02:26:16.000 Well, because why I was even a decent athlete is I was just trying to get it.
02:26:21.000 And I know as a human we can never get it.
02:26:24.000 And that's a moving target.
02:26:26.000 But I feel like the pursuit of trying to be one's best self is probably worth spending some time on.
02:26:38.000 You appreciate your existence more, I think, when you are on that path.
02:26:43.000 I think so, and I think especially when you've had the opportunity also to do a lot of really cool stuff, I almost think it becomes a responsibility because you're not fighting certain fights.
02:26:54.000 Like, certain battles, you don't even have, like, I don't have to, I have three jobs, but I chose three jobs.
02:27:01.000 It's not like you're just trying to survive.
02:27:05.000 Like, those people, it's like, hey, I get it.
02:27:08.000 But I feel like if you go like, hey, I got to do that and this and this, it's like, yeah, cool, what are you doing?
02:27:14.000 What else are you going to do?
02:27:17.000 I think that that becomes a worthy task.
02:27:21.000 And also, I'm trying to stay married.
02:27:25.000 I'm trying to be a decent mom.
02:27:27.000 Things like that.
02:27:29.000 And so that takes probably some work.
02:27:31.000 Well, it does, but I really think that there's value in expressing that.
02:27:35.000 You do?
02:27:36.000 Yes, I do.
02:27:37.000 Yeah.
02:27:38.000 I'm sure a lot of people are agreeing right now, like, yeah, do a podcast, Gabby.
02:27:42.000 You know what it is?
02:27:42.000 This is what my ultimate hope would be, is that somehow, and this is, I think, why I love your show, because I hear it over and over, and you don't say it per se of saying it, but it's there always in an underlying way.
02:27:55.000 It's like power and love, always.
02:27:59.000 Be your most badass self all the time that you can.
02:28:03.000 Have fun, kick ass, and maybe be kind.
02:28:08.000 For me, those are the ultimate.
02:28:11.000 Because all the people that I see where I'm like, oh, they could kick your ass and love you.
02:28:20.000 I think that's really powerful.
02:28:22.000 I mean, I respond to that because...
02:28:26.000 It feels important right now.
02:28:29.000 I think you're absolutely right.
02:28:31.000 I think this is a good way to end this.
02:28:32.000 Okay.
02:28:33.000 Let's do it.
02:28:34.000 Mahalo.
02:28:35.000 So thank you.
02:28:35.000 Thanks for being here.
02:28:36.000 I really appreciate it.
02:28:37.000 I really enjoyed it.
02:28:38.000 Thank you.
02:28:39.000 Tell people your Instagram, your social media.
02:28:42.000 Oh, at Gabby Reese.
02:28:43.000 If they want to check out the pool training, XPT, and just get people to take care of themselves.
02:28:51.000 Mahalo.
02:28:52.000 Bye, everybody.
02:28:52.000 Aloha.
02:28:55.000 That was great!