The Joe Rogan Experience - April 23, 2019


Joe Rogan Experience #1285 - B-Real

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Joe Rogan
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B-Real
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Mike Tyson Jack Bruce Seldon Muggs Andrew Gulotta Michael Phelps Jesus Christ Riddick Bowe Lou Duva Woodstock Kill A Man More Shotokan Karate Federation Michael Carbajal Maurice Gibb Funky Phil Jamie Cool G Rap Jack Herrera Larry Holmes Barry Gibb Coogee Rap and 72 more
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2 hours and 17 minutes

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23,673

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In this episode, I sit down with a good friend of mine to talk about the history of the cannabis industry. We talk about how it all began, the early days of legalization, and the current state of the industry in California. We also talk about what it's like to grow and sell cannabis in California, and how it compares to other states in terms of production and distribution. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it gives you some insight into the industry and what it takes to be a successful grower and distributor. I know that it's not always easy growing and selling cannabis, but there are a lot of people out there who are willing to do it and do it well. I hope that you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we enjoyed making it. Peace, Blessings, Cheers, and Cheers. -Jon Sorrentino and Mike Holmes Thank you Jon and Mike for coming on the pod. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe, Like, and Share, and tell a Friend about what you think of the podcast! We'll be looking out for you in the next episode! Timestamps: 3:00 - What's up? 4:30 - What are you looking forward to next? 5:20 - What do you like about this episode? 6:15 - How do you think about it? 7:40 - How does it feel? 8:00 9:30 11:40 12: What's your favorite part? 15:15 16: How do I think it's going to be the best part of the show? 17: What are my favorite part of this episode so far? 18:20 19:10 21:30 Is it a little bit more? 22:30 What would you like to see you're going to make it better? 27:30 Do you have a question? 26:30 Can you give me a tip? 29:00 Is it better than that one? 32:00 More? 35: What s your favorite piece of advice? 33:00 Can I have a guest? 36:00 What's a good day? 37:00 Do you agree or not? 39:00 Are you a friend of a friend? 40:00 Would you agree?

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00:00:01.000 Three, two, one.
00:00:03.000 Boom! 0.99
00:00:04.000 What's up, brother?
00:00:04.000 How are you?
00:00:05.000 Good to see you, my friend.
00:00:06.000 Always.
00:00:07.000 Thanks for having me.
00:00:07.000 It's been a while, man.
00:00:08.000 Yeah.
00:00:09.000 We've both been busy.
00:00:11.000 It's crazy.
00:00:11.000 And in the meantime, we became legal.
00:00:13.000 Yes.
00:00:14.000 You guys were at the forefront, man.
00:00:16.000 You guys were way ahead.
00:00:18.000 You were ahead of everybody.
00:00:20.000 You know, we took a shot.
00:00:22.000 We took a shot, you know, as stoners and advocates and whatnot.
00:00:26.000 You know, we were stoners at first, right?
00:00:29.000 You know, that's how you start.
00:00:30.000 Like, you know, your friend says, hey man, try this.
00:00:33.000 Or you're the one who says try this, right?
00:00:35.000 It's one or the other.
00:00:37.000 And, you know, eventually you start.
00:00:40.000 Getting into the High Times magazines and stuff like that and looking at the, you know, the centerfold pictures of the weed, but also...
00:00:47.000 Centerfold pictures of weed.
00:00:48.000 We like to read, too, occasionally.
00:00:51.000 So, you know, we'd get into some of the activism aspect of it as well, and that's when we heard names like Jack Herrera, who pretty much opened our eyes to everything.
00:01:00.000 And then, you know, I think we became real advocates.
00:01:04.000 You know, at first, you know, we thought we were, you know, sort of...
00:01:08.000 Yeah.
00:01:24.000 Yeah, Jack was way, way, way ahead of the curve.
00:01:27.000 He's just such an interesting story, rest in peace, because he was a Goldwater Republican.
00:01:33.000 He was just a button-down, old-school Republican.
00:01:36.000 And then he got a girlfriend. 0.99
00:01:38.000 And then his girlfriend got him smoking weed, and then all of a sudden he's like, man, this is fucking amazing! 1.00
00:01:44.000 God, why am I such a dick? 1.00
00:01:45.000 What's wrong with me? 0.99
00:01:46.000 Who am I? What am I doing with my life?
00:01:49.000 Absolutely.
00:01:49.000 It totally flipped his life around.
00:01:51.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:01:52.000 The Emperor Wears No Clothes is a fucking great book, man. 0.99
00:01:54.000 Yeah. 0.97
00:01:55.000 It holds strong to this day because everything that he said in the book is sort of happening right now.
00:02:00.000 All the stuff that they tried to prevent from happening through all the anti-cannabis propaganda.
00:02:07.000 Yeah.
00:02:08.000 You see it now.
00:02:09.000 And now you see those very companies trying to get into the industry.
00:02:14.000 Yeah, they were always on the outside waiting, you know, at the launching block.
00:02:18.000 Not quite ready to run, but any minute now it's going to get legal.
00:02:22.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:02:23.000 I mean, you know, they're lying in wait with fields like acreage that no one can ever come close to.
00:02:29.000 Probably, right?
00:02:30.000 Yeah, I mean...
00:02:32.000 The thing I heard maybe like five years ago, before it was legal in Denver, or a bit longer than that, before we got legalization here, that companies like Philip Morris and companies like that were already buying land and already trademarking names for some of the cannabis that we know today so that when they come into the game,
00:03:00.000 They have ownership on some of the names and some of the brands and trademarks and stuff like that.
00:03:07.000 And obviously the acreage to grow vast sums of cannabis.
00:03:15.000 Who knows how true that is, but I don't doubt some of that.
00:03:18.000 I don't doubt it either. 0.99
00:03:19.000 The sneakiest shit was Ohio. 1.00
00:03:21.000 Ohio was... 1.00
00:03:22.000 They were trying to make it legal, but if they were going to make it legal, there was only like...
00:03:25.000 It was like two companies that were out...
00:03:27.000 Jamie's from Ohio.
00:03:27.000 I think like four, but I think that is how it went through.
00:03:30.000 Yeah.
00:03:30.000 They were the only ones going to be allowed to grow it and sell it.
00:03:32.000 Like, fuck you. 1.00
00:03:34.000 Monopoly. 1.00
00:03:35.000 That is not legal weed. 1.00
00:03:36.000 That is you being a cunt. 1.00
00:03:38.000 That's monopoly. 1.00
00:03:39.000 Yeah.
00:03:40.000 That's crazy.
00:03:41.000 You know...
00:03:41.000 Yeah.
00:03:42.000 Because, you know, you had like people that got those licenses or permits or whatever.
00:03:52.000 Yeah.
00:04:09.000 Right?
00:04:10.000 And everybody has to go through that distribution center.
00:04:14.000 How much money does that distribution center make? 1.00
00:04:17.000 Because you've got to pay for your shit to go there. 0.99
00:04:19.000 And then, you know, who knows if it... 1.00
00:04:21.000 Well, you know if it passes because you know as a cultivator what you did.
00:04:26.000 So you'll know it'll pass because it's clean.
00:04:28.000 But you've still got to pay that fee every time.
00:04:31.000 And it's got to go through them.
00:04:33.000 Fortunately, here in California, you know, they've allowed people to have distribution licenses so that there's not one distribution center because that would be a monopoly for sure.
00:04:44.000 And that's what they wanted to, supposedly, you know, the lobbyists that put 64 together were trying to stop it from being a monopoly and corporations coming in and taking over and stuff like that, you know.
00:04:57.000 So interesting because pot is such a non-corporate drug, you know, it's such a non-corporate thing.
00:05:03.000 That these corporations were trying to get a grip on weed.
00:05:08.000 It just seemed obscene. 0.90
00:05:11.000 It seemed disgusting.
00:05:14.000 Yeah, it's a little out of place.
00:05:16.000 It's a lot out of place, right?
00:05:17.000 You know, because...
00:05:19.000 You think about where it comes from, and it's been outlaw for so long.
00:05:24.000 It's kind of like, you know, the way alcohol was for so long.
00:05:28.000 Way longer than alcohol, which is crazy.
00:05:29.000 But it's been demonized longer, yes.
00:05:31.000 And now, you know, you have people trying to come in and throw money into it.
00:05:36.000 And some of these guys don't realize it's not just about the money into it.
00:05:41.000 You've got to do the diligence on what this business is.
00:05:44.000 You can't cut corners on the cultivation.
00:05:47.000 You know, you can't cut corners on quality because people, you know, they're...
00:05:54.000 There's more information out there.
00:05:56.000 Yeah.
00:05:57.000 You know, so people know. 1.00
00:05:59.000 Even if they're not a connoisseur, as a consumer, you know, they can read about shit. 0.99
00:06:05.000 They can learn about stuff. 0.99
00:06:06.000 So if you're getting over on them or if you're putting some shit quality product out there, I mean, people are going to know. 0.94
00:06:14.000 And all that money that these guys put into trying to get into the cannabis business, they're just throwing it into the fire. 0.92
00:06:20.000 Yeah.
00:06:20.000 Some of them will come out of it.
00:06:23.000 They'll partner up with brands that exist and people that have knowledge.
00:06:29.000 The corporations that come in in the next five years, it's going to be interesting.
00:06:36.000 Because I do think...
00:06:38.000 That it's set up for them to come in.
00:06:41.000 The taxes are so high right now for the consumer and for the cultivator and for the retail shop that you got to survive this wash right now that's happening in order to still be, you know, doing business when the corporate structure comes in.
00:06:56.000 Because please believe they're going to lobby so that those taxes come down because the margins are not right, you know, as 40%.
00:07:07.000 Taxes.
00:07:07.000 Is that what it is now?
00:07:08.000 It was 39 in Denver, right?
00:07:10.000 Yeah, but in here in California, it's, you know, 40%. 0.99
00:07:13.000 But to the consumer, the consumer's like, who gives a fuck? 0.99
00:07:17.000 If I could just pull in and get some weed real quick. 1.00
00:07:19.000 They should give a fuck. 0.99
00:07:20.000 They should, but in comparison to alcohol, like how much it costs, if you go out for a night for some drinks, it costs way more. 1.00
00:07:26.000 You get high for a month on what it takes to get a few drinks in a night. 0.94
00:07:30.000 Depending where you go, those fucking drinks are even double. 0.99
00:07:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99
00:07:35.000 With less alcohol.
00:07:36.000 Well, the other thing is that these companies, they don't understand the culture.
00:07:39.000 It's a different culture. 0.94
00:07:40.000 You can't bullshit us. 0.92
00:07:41.000 You can't bullshit us with marketing and advertising. 1.00
00:07:44.000 That shit is not going to work. 1.00
00:07:45.000 You can't have the most interesting man in the world selling weed. 1.00
00:07:49.000 Stay thirsty, my friends.
00:07:51.000 No, that ain't going to work.
00:07:52.000 You've got to get somebody like Michael Phelps.
00:07:56.000 Yeah, man.
00:07:57.000 For real.
00:07:57.000 Michael Phelps.
00:07:58.000 I would buy weed from Michael Phelps.
00:08:02.000 How funny was it that he got in trouble for that?
00:08:05.000 You know, what I find it funny is how, you know, they put these stereotypes on stoners for so long, like we're lazy, unproductive, and all that stuff.
00:08:15.000 This guy's one of the most decorated Olympians in the history.
00:08:20.000 You know what I mean? 0.98
00:08:21.000 What has he got, like 15 gold fucking medals? 0.99
00:08:24.000 Something preposterous. 1.00
00:08:25.000 Yeah.
00:08:25.000 Mr. Big Lungs.
00:08:27.000 That's what we call him.
00:08:28.000 Mr. Big Lungs.
00:08:29.000 Definitely.
00:08:30.000 I probably could take a rip on a bong.
00:08:32.000 Think about it.
00:08:33.000 Oh my god. 1.00
00:08:34.000 I mean, shit. 1.00
00:08:35.000 Right? 1.00
00:08:35.000 He had probably his crazy capacity. 1.00
00:08:37.000 There it is.
00:08:37.000 He could probably snap a two-gram bowl, this guy.
00:08:39.000 Who was the person who ratted him out?
00:08:41.000 Some low...
00:08:42.000 Some kid.
00:08:43.000 Some derp. 1.00
00:08:45.000 Little dickhead. 1.00
00:08:46.000 What a piece of shit. 1.00
00:08:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:08:47.000 Imagine just going to a party, trying to have a good time. 1.00
00:08:49.000 Some kid's there with his phone.
00:08:51.000 That's social network for you, though.
00:08:53.000 They want to go viral, so they'll get you in that moment where you're supposed to be a friend. 0.99
00:08:58.000 But that was before a lot of that shit was happening. 0.98
00:09:01.000 What year was that? 0.99
00:09:02.000 Let's guess.
00:09:03.000 What year was that?
00:09:05.000 2012?
00:09:09.000 Let's just say before Instagram kicked off.
00:09:14.000 But there was still YouTube and Twitter.
00:09:16.000 If you wanted to put somebody on blast or you wanted to have a viral video, YouTube has been there for a long time.
00:09:23.000 Yeah, Twitter was like 2007, right?
00:09:26.000 Wasn't it?
00:09:27.000 I believe so, yeah.
00:09:28.000 I think...
00:09:29.000 When was Michael Phelps?
00:09:31.000 When did he get in trouble?
00:09:32.000 I'm looking.
00:09:34.000 I'm seeing different stuff.
00:09:36.000 I saw a picture of it on YouTube from 2009, so that means it would have been in 2008 Olympics, but that seems like it was a long time ago.
00:09:43.000 Yeah, that makes sense, though.
00:09:45.000 Because then he came back, right?
00:09:47.000 Yeah.
00:09:47.000 He retired, and then he came back?
00:09:49.000 Well, I think he was suspended.
00:09:51.000 I think he was suspended.
00:09:52.000 Yeah, 2009 is when he got caught.
00:09:54.000 And then he had to, you know, do the suspension and he came back and got some more medals. 1.00
00:09:58.000 Like, haha, fuck you. 1.00
00:10:00.000 Right? 1.00
00:10:01.000 I love that.
00:10:02.000 Was he suspended because of the weed?
00:10:03.000 Yeah.
00:10:05.000 Well, you know, hey, listen, in a lot of places, it's still on a banned substance list.
00:10:11.000 Oh, yeah, Texas.
00:10:12.000 Texas is real bad.
00:10:13.000 February 2009, he was only 23, apologized for an incident where he was caught on camera at a party smoking a bomb that was allegedly marijuana.
00:10:24.000 You know, he shouldn't have apologized for that.
00:10:27.000 He shouldn't have had to have apologized for that.
00:10:29.000 The thing is, they have those guys bent over a box because they're all just trying to get that sponsorship money.
00:10:34.000 Right.
00:10:35.000 Yeah, you have to be squeaky clean if you want to be on the Wheaties box.
00:10:38.000 Yeah, if you're an Olympian.
00:10:39.000 Yeah.
00:10:40.000 They're not going to put Cypress Hill on the Wheaties box just yet.
00:10:43.000 Wouldn't that be great, though?
00:10:44.000 But take the T-H out and add an E and put a D and I-E-S at the end.
00:10:50.000 Let's go.
00:10:51.000 Wheaties.
00:10:52.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.
00:10:54.000 You guys were so far ahead of the curve, though.
00:10:57.000 I mean, you had weed songs.
00:11:00.000 Like, when?
00:11:00.000 Like, what year?
00:11:03.000 The first album was in 91. And we started writing for that album probably four years prior.
00:11:12.000 Wow.
00:11:13.000 And, you know, the weed songs, those came about because we were weed heads. 1.00
00:11:17.000 You know, we just, fuck it, let's be ourselves, right? 0.86
00:11:20.000 It's a different thing, though, for people that were fans. 0.99
00:11:23.000 Because when I was listening to you, I was just getting ready to move from Boston to New York.
00:11:32.000 And back then, you would hear about new hip-hop bands from, like, friends.
00:11:37.000 Yeah.
00:11:38.000 It was word of mouth.
00:11:40.000 Yeah, man.
00:11:41.000 For sure.
00:11:42.000 I would hear about it. 0.99
00:11:43.000 I think somebody I worked out with had it, and I was like, what the fuck is this? 0.99
00:11:47.000 And they're like, that's Cypress Hill. 1.00
00:11:49.000 I was like, damn. 0.67
00:11:50.000 Yeah, we were trying to be different, not sound like a typical West Coast group, because a lot of West Coast groups at that point, what the labels were looking for were NWA types and things like that, like either... 0.98
00:12:06.000 You know, gangster, West Coast gangster rap.
00:12:09.000 They were looking for that or either the Kid Frost Chicano type. 0.86
00:12:13.000 And we didn't want to do that.
00:12:15.000 We didn't want to foothold ourselves like that.
00:12:17.000 You know, Muggs being from New York, he wanted to sort of blend both worlds, right?
00:12:23.000 So, you know, we went with the East Coast type sound with L.A. type of slang mixed with East Coast slang.
00:12:32.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99
00:12:32.000 And so people, you know, they were like, where the fuck are these guys from? 0.99
00:12:36.000 And people thought we were from Cypress Hill, New York, because there's a Cypress Hill down there. 0.85
00:12:40.000 And, you know, people just didn't really know at first, because we were one of the first groups that didn't put our images on any of our first, you know, any of our singles or our art covers.
00:12:51.000 We never did, like, the shots, like...
00:12:53.000 You know, that we're existing at that time where it's a clean shot of the group or the artist or whatever.
00:12:59.000 We were always on some, you know, because we were metalheads too, you know, before the hip hop, we liked the obscure metal album.
00:13:06.000 So we didn't, we were like, we're not going to put ourselves on the covers.
00:13:09.000 We're just going to do these crazy obscure covers and make people, you know, try to guess who we are, be mysterious. 0.92
00:13:15.000 Damn, we talk about longevity. 0.95
00:13:17.000 I mean, you guys have been around a long fucking time and never dropped off at all. 1.00
00:13:23.000 It's crazy, you know? 0.98
00:13:24.000 We didn't expect it.
00:13:26.000 We didn't know how long our run would be.
00:13:28.000 We just kept working, you know?
00:13:29.000 We always had a strong work ethic.
00:13:31.000 We were never...
00:13:32.000 The types just to sit around.
00:13:34.000 We're always doing something.
00:13:36.000 You know, Muggs is always making beats. 1.00
00:13:38.000 You know, I'm always writing to something.
00:13:41.000 I'm always into one project or another.
00:13:43.000 So it was always just about keeping busy and that suited us well.
00:13:49.000 It's crazy.
00:13:50.000 28 years later.
00:13:51.000 Still banging it.
00:13:52.000 It's crazy what you say.
00:13:54.000 28 years.
00:13:55.000 28 years later from your first album, man.
00:13:58.000 And again, you guys never dropped off for a second.
00:14:01.000 Not once.
00:14:01.000 You were always there.
00:14:03.000 You have to be consistent in hip-hop, you know, in music in general.
00:14:07.000 Especially, like, if there's a time where radio stops playing your music or, you know, as MTV stopped playing music videos and they went for more...
00:14:17.000 Reality show type programming.
00:14:19.000 You gotta stick out there.
00:14:21.000 So for us, it was constantly doing shows.
00:14:23.000 We didn't put out as many albums as we could have, but we thought less was more.
00:14:29.000 Instead of driving the music into your heart like a steak or something like that, we just let everything breathe for a while.
00:14:38.000 And there was a time where we sort of let go of doing everything.
00:14:42.000 It was like a six-year period where we just kind of took off.
00:14:47.000 We weren't away completely.
00:14:48.000 We're still doing sporadic shows here and there to keep up the profile, but we weren't touring and working on music. 0.59
00:14:56.000 I was off fucking around competing in paintball tournaments. 0.95
00:14:59.000 Wait, really? 0.99
00:15:00.000 You get into paintball?
00:15:02.000 Oh, man.
00:15:02.000 Yeah, I had a team called Stoned Assassins.
00:15:04.000 LAUGHTER And it was competitive paintball.
00:15:07.000 At the time, I was training martial arts, as I've done throughout my life, and I was also playing competitive paintball.
00:15:16.000 What kind of martial arts were you doing?
00:15:17.000 Shotokan.
00:15:18.000 I started off with Taekwondo, and I got sort of...
00:15:21.000 I mean, it's like...
00:15:23.000 It was...
00:15:25.000 It was...
00:15:25.000 The dojo was cool, you know, and I was progressing quickly, but I sort of fell out with the master there, with the Sifu or whatever.
00:15:34.000 I can't remember what it is.
00:15:35.000 Sabonim.
00:15:36.000 Yeah.
00:15:37.000 And one of my partners who I grew up with, who was one of my partners in our Dr. Green Thumb brand and whatever, his father was a, you know, sensei and his sensei and became my sensei.
00:15:52.000 I went from Taekwondo to Shotokan.
00:15:54.000 And I started training with him.
00:15:55.000 I mean, he had been in the dojo since he was five years old, training with his father.
00:16:00.000 So, you know, I came into that.
00:16:01.000 It took a little bit of convincing for me to go from one thing to another, because it's such a different style.
00:16:11.000 But, you know, I adapted to it, and I liked it, and it was very different.
00:16:17.000 Less flash, but...
00:16:20.000 Very disciplined. 0.99
00:16:21.000 And his father, you know, he was, you know, born in Japan, raised out there, and he, you know, their shit is kind of different. 0.98
00:16:29.000 They go to martial arts universities, and they get degrees in different martial arts. 0.88
00:16:36.000 So they can go and take, like, okay, Hapkido and Jiu-Jitsu and Shotokan and all this, and, you know, get their...
00:16:45.000 Their degrees, you know, they work their way up in the belt system and all that stuff, but they become teachers through that university, I guess.
00:16:53.000 That's fascinating.
00:16:54.000 And, yeah, his father was one of the guys in one of the federations that he's one of the three or four senseis that have to come in and give you the black belt when you actually get it.
00:17:05.000 Ah.
00:17:05.000 Yeah.
00:17:06.000 What was it?
00:17:08.000 SKFA or something like that.
00:17:10.000 I got, you know, I'm starting.
00:17:12.000 Shotokan Karate Federation, something like that.
00:17:13.000 Yeah, something like that.
00:17:15.000 So you could imagine when Lyoto Machida came on the scene, you know, we were like, yeah, someone representing the style that, you know, we were training under.
00:17:23.000 Yeah, a lot of people got excited when he came about.
00:17:25.000 He was really the first guy to legitimize karate in the modern era of mixed martial arts.
00:17:30.000 He showed, like, if you could do all those other things, if you could stuff takedowns and you knew submissions and all those things on top of that.
00:17:36.000 You could live.
00:17:37.000 Yeah, and you could do it in a weird way that people didn't really understand his timing.
00:17:41.000 Yeah.
00:17:42.000 And Wonderboy Thompson's similar to that, too.
00:17:44.000 He's got a weird timing.
00:17:45.000 Weird timing.
00:17:46.000 And then the feints with the hips. 1.00
00:17:48.000 He was good with that shit. 1.00
00:17:50.000 He would throw people off with that. 1.00
00:17:53.000 And I just happened to go see his fight against Rashad Evans. 1.00
00:17:58.000 Oh, shit. 0.99
00:17:59.000 And, man, I mean, it surprised all of us. 1.00
00:18:01.000 I mean, we thought he would win, but we didn't know he would win in that fashion.
00:18:04.000 I mean...
00:18:05.000 Yeah, he was something special.
00:18:07.000 Yeah.
00:18:07.000 You know, I mean, and he's doing, he's over at Bellator now, right, with his brother.
00:18:11.000 His brother Chinzo's been over there for a while.
00:18:13.000 His brother, I think his brother's a bantamweight or featherweight, one of those.
00:18:18.000 But yeah, I think it's good to go from Taekwondo to other styles because Taekwondo gives you a lot of dexterity.
00:18:25.000 You only have to move your legs easily.
00:18:27.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:18:28.000 It's a good foundation.
00:18:29.000 Yeah, it's a good way to start off.
00:18:31.000 It's good for little kids, too.
00:18:32.000 For sure.
00:18:33.000 There's not a lot of head contact.
00:18:35.000 The coordination, too, yeah.
00:18:37.000 Yeah, and then when you learn, if you really actually want to fight, you want to learn Muay Thai and all those other things, you have way quicker legs.
00:18:44.000 Yeah.
00:18:44.000 They just move better.
00:18:45.000 Yeah.
00:18:45.000 Yeah.
00:18:46.000 For me, I was never good with all those flashy kicks like that.
00:18:50.000 You're a big dude.
00:18:51.000 Yeah, it was harder for me, Taekwondo.
00:18:53.000 The Shotokan was definitely hard, but it was more suited for someone my size.
00:18:58.000 It's a hard style.
00:18:59.000 Shotokan's a hard style.
00:18:59.000 It is, man.
00:19:00.000 It's a good style.
00:19:01.000 When he was training us, he would not let up.
00:19:05.000 Oh, be real, let me go light on him.
00:19:07.000 Nah.
00:19:08.000 Everything I did, like, you know, that I did outside of music, like, for instance, paintball.
00:19:14.000 When it went into paintball, there was a price on my head every game.
00:19:18.000 Everybody wanted to give me extra shots.
00:19:21.000 So, like, if I got hit while I'm walking out, I would get 10, 20 extra paintballs to my back.
00:19:28.000 And we'd give it right back to them.
00:19:30.000 In the very next game, when we played them guys again, we were making sure to give them that right back.
00:19:36.000 So you got deep into this.
00:19:38.000 Oh yeah, it was, man.
00:19:39.000 It's addicting, man.
00:19:41.000 I gotta tell you, if there's any physical activity that is addicting, it is paintball, because it's chess with guns.
00:19:48.000 Because it's so fast and so close, and you gotta think of a strategy, you know?
00:19:52.000 It's not all shooting straightway, it's all shooting angles and getting your guys to positions to get those guys out to keep moving up, to get their flag, wipe them out, and bring the flag back.
00:20:03.000 Now, are there restrictions on power, like the power of the guns?
00:20:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:20:07.000 I believe you can't shoot above 300 PSI. I think it's the highest you can shoot is maybe 285, 290, at least at the time.
00:20:17.000 If you go balls out, if you wanted to get the ultimate paintball gun, what is that?
00:20:22.000 Oh, man.
00:20:23.000 It's hard, because we were using different guns at the time, because it's like each year a better gun comes out.
00:20:30.000 The technology gets better.
00:20:32.000 So, you know, we were using it first when we started these guns called Angels, and then we went over into these other guns. 0.98
00:20:39.000 Fuck, I can't remember the name of them. 0.98
00:20:41.000 They were light. 1.00
00:20:43.000 I mean, the best thing is to have a light gun with the trigger that you can fan, see?
00:20:48.000 Because that's the technique to get it to shoot like an Uzi, right?
00:20:53.000 You're not supposed to be able to pull the trigger and multiple balls come out with one pull.
00:20:57.000 It's supposed to be that the gun shoots as fast as your two fingers or three can toggle. 1.00
00:21:05.000 So if you get a rhythm, you could shoot that thing like a fucking Uzi. 0.99
00:21:10.000 And everybody has a different position. 0.99
00:21:12.000 Like mine, I was like one of the quarterbacks, which is the last three on the line.
00:21:16.000 See, it's like a football field, right?
00:21:18.000 You got the 50, and there's obstacles at the 50, and in between, and it's mirrored on the other side.
00:21:24.000 The quarterbacks play the back.
00:21:27.000 And they shoot a whole bunch of paint so that the other guys that are the front and mid guys can get into these different positions to shoot the other guys out.
00:21:36.000 So the guys in the back, we're shooting the most paint.
00:21:38.000 So you have to use that fanning style.
00:21:42.000 So you're using three fingers?
00:21:43.000 Three fingers.
00:21:44.000 Because the trigger, the base where you're pulling the trigger, you can fit three fingers there.
00:21:51.000 It's really for two, but you could fit three.
00:21:53.000 Yeah, this was our team right here.
00:21:56.000 Stoned Assassin's 07. And we were always pretty stoned when we were playing.
00:22:00.000 Did that help?
00:22:01.000 Yeah.
00:22:02.000 The furthest we went, we took third place in one tournament.
00:22:06.000 Wow, so this is crazy. 0.99
00:22:07.000 You guys have these barriers and shit? 0.99
00:22:09.000 Yeah, these are all blow-up barriers right here. 0.99
00:22:11.000 It looks like a football field.
00:22:12.000 Yeah, that's what they would replicate, like a football, soccer field, and you put all these obstacles up, these blow-up obstacles, and they're all just positions to try to take to get a better angle on the other side.
00:22:31.000 And what's the ultimate goal?
00:22:32.000 To take everybody out?
00:22:34.000 You get points for taking the other side out, but you get the maximum points getting their flag and bringing it back to your side.
00:22:42.000 And, you know, you get points for how many guys on your side that are still alive.
00:22:47.000 So, you know, you would get 100% if all seven of your guys were alive. 0.96
00:22:51.000 You killed all of them and brought their flag. 1.00
00:22:54.000 Did that ever happen? 0.99
00:22:54.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99
00:22:56.000 Damn, who are you playing? 1.00
00:22:56.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:22:58.000 You know, the thing about paintball, right, is that let's just say there's six tiers, right?
00:23:04.000 There's the pros, there's the semi-pros, there's the amateurs, there's the novice, there's the rookie, and each tier had at least 200 teams competing in this.
00:23:37.000 Wow.
00:23:38.000 Then it would head to Boston and Florida and Las Vegas and one other place.
00:23:47.000 I can't remember.
00:23:47.000 But we would do these tournaments.
00:23:49.000 I was doing them for like four or five years.
00:23:51.000 And the guy before me that was the ambassador was one of the Bee Gees.
00:23:59.000 One of the Bee Gees.
00:24:00.000 The one who passed away first.
00:24:03.000 Barry Gibb?
00:24:04.000 Was it Barry?
00:24:04.000 No, he was the one that always wore the hat.
00:24:08.000 He was the shorter one.
00:24:09.000 So he was a paintball fiend?
00:24:10.000 He was a paintball fiend, like myself.
00:24:13.000 He owned a store.
00:24:14.000 He had a team, I think it was based out of Miami, and he would compete up until when he passed away.
00:24:21.000 He was like the ambassador.
00:24:23.000 Wow, there he is.
00:24:24.000 Yeah.
00:24:24.000 I came in and took his spot.
00:24:26.000 Maurice.
00:24:27.000 Yeah.
00:24:28.000 Maurice.
00:24:28.000 Maurice Gibb.
00:24:29.000 That's crazy.
00:24:30.000 I had no idea.
00:24:31.000 Yeah.
00:24:31.000 Wow, you guys are armored the fuck up, huh?
00:24:33.000 Yeah.
00:24:34.000 These things are going to sting.
00:24:35.000 Yeah.
00:24:35.000 Oh, man.
00:24:36.000 I mean, I'd leave with at least 20 paintball bruises, you know, in one sitting.
00:24:43.000 And, you know, you look like a leopard coming off after that.
00:24:47.000 You know who else was a big paintball enthusiast was William Shatner.
00:24:51.000 Really?
00:24:51.000 Yeah, he would hold these crazy tournaments, like, in Trekkie style, where it's a scenario game.
00:24:57.000 Meaning that, okay, here's the castle...
00:25:00.000 I'm going to be in the castle right here.
00:25:02.000 You guys got to siege the castle.
00:25:04.000 And if you guys can come get me out of here, you guys win this round.
00:25:09.000 And they would, through the three days, they'd set up different scenarios.
00:25:12.000 Like, there you go.
00:25:13.000 See it.
00:25:14.000 William Shackner playing paintball.
00:25:16.000 This is crazy.
00:25:17.000 I would have never guessed.
00:25:19.000 But how does he run?
00:25:20.000 He can't run.
00:25:21.000 He's like eight years old.
00:25:22.000 He doesn't run. 0.63
00:25:23.000 They put him in a central place and he'll shoot.
00:25:26.000 Sometimes he would go out there, but...
00:25:28.000 So he would just stay put?
00:25:29.000 Yeah, he would stay put.
00:25:31.000 You would have to protect him.
00:25:33.000 That's like old man paintball.
00:25:34.000 He would fight, too.
00:25:35.000 He would fight, too, but they would be trying to protect him.
00:25:40.000 Oh, that's so crazy.
00:25:41.000 Yeah.
00:25:42.000 Wow.
00:25:42.000 And, I mean, there's a bunch of celebrities that paintballed, man.
00:25:46.000 Will Smith was paintballing before he did iRobot.
00:25:49.000 Really?
00:25:49.000 He did that.
00:25:50.000 He came down to the park where we would practice at.
00:25:52.000 We played with him and his team.
00:25:55.000 But it was a scenario game.
00:25:57.000 Joaquin Phoenix, Makai Pfeiffer.
00:26:00.000 I mean, you'd be surprised how many people...
00:26:02.000 Well, it looks like fun.
00:26:03.000 I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
00:26:04.000 You let off steam.
00:26:06.000 Yeah.
00:26:06.000 How many people on a team?
00:26:08.000 On a competition team, you have 11 for the roster and 7 play at a time.
00:26:15.000 And you can switch guys out.
00:26:17.000 But now it's different.
00:26:18.000 Now they do like 5-man and 3-man teams.
00:26:21.000 I don't know anything about the new style.
00:26:24.000 But they constantly call me back.
00:26:26.000 Because I'm in better shape than I was when I played.
00:26:28.000 I was a little bit heavier then.
00:26:30.000 That's why I was at quarterback.
00:26:32.000 Yeah.
00:26:34.000 You know, I wasn't running too fast then, but you know, they always hit me, man. 0.76
00:26:39.000 I'll always get hit on my DM on IG or Twitter like, hey man, when you come back to the paintball field, I'm like, when I get time, which is probably never, but It seems like a big-time suck.
00:26:49.000 Loved it, man.
00:26:50.000 I loved playing the game.
00:26:51.000 It was so addicting.
00:26:52.000 It was hard to pull away from it.
00:26:54.000 I would even, at times, be coming home from a tour straight into a tournament. 0.89
00:27:00.000 Like, I'd get off the plane, I'd have somebody have my paintball shit ready, and boom, straight to the tournament. 0.68
00:27:06.000 Can't tell you how many times I was doing that. 0.97
00:27:08.000 Really? 0.99
00:27:08.000 Yeah, it was fucking crazy. 0.99
00:27:10.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:27:33.000 Did you ever fuck with jiu-jitsu? 0.98
00:27:34.000 No, I always wanted to, but I never did. 0.99
00:27:37.000 Why not now?
00:27:37.000 You're in good shape.
00:27:38.000 I thought about it.
00:27:40.000 Come on down to 10th planet, man.
00:27:42.000 You fit right in.
00:27:43.000 I think I will. 0.97
00:27:44.000 A lot of people have asked me and invited me because they know I'm a UFC fan, I'm a mixed martial arts fan, I'm a boxing fan, all that shit. 0.60
00:27:53.000 You know, a couple of my cousins are...
00:27:55.000 Well, one of them was a champion professional boxer, which was Michael Carbajal.
00:28:00.000 And his nephew...
00:28:01.000 He was your cousin?
00:28:01.000 Yeah, that's my cousin.
00:28:02.000 Damn! 0.99
00:28:02.000 I met him one day at the Comedy Store. 0.99
00:28:05.000 Yeah.
00:28:06.000 Long time ago, man.
00:28:07.000 Yeah, when he was a champ, he was...
00:28:09.000 He was a beast. 0.75
00:28:10.000 He was a beast. 0.89
00:28:11.000 And his nephew is now boxing, Kenan Carbajal.
00:28:14.000 Oh, okay, cool.
00:28:15.000 So, yeah, you know, we're rooting for family right there.
00:28:17.000 He's from Arizona, right?
00:28:18.000 Yeah, from AZ, yeah.
00:28:19.000 Yeah.
00:28:20.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:28:20.000 So, yeah, I've been invited to, you know, come fuck with some jujitsu, and I think I, you know, I think I will, because, I mean, you gotta know it. 0.98
00:28:31.000 I think, you know, it's something that would benefit anyone to know that. 0.98
00:28:37.000 Yeah.
00:28:37.000 So that you don't actually, you know, get in a fight and have to hurt somebody bad, or they hurt you, you know what I'm saying?
00:28:44.000 Yeah.
00:28:45.000 Just choke them. 1.00
00:28:46.000 Just choke them out. 1.00
00:28:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:28:47.000 I saw Everlast choke some guy out one night, and it was the fucking... 1.00
00:28:52.000 Because, you know, he fucks around a little bit, you know? 0.99
00:28:55.000 He knows people that teach jujitsu, and they've taught him a couple things. 0.89
00:28:59.000 We're at the Rainbow one night where we were holding court, just smoking like it's Amsterdam down there.
00:29:06.000 And we were having a conversation, and he kept hearing some dude across the...
00:29:10.000 Cross a couple tables over.
00:29:12.000 Kept saying, Everlast this, Everlast that.
00:29:16.000 And he said, Yo, money!
00:29:18.000 Say my name one more time! 1.00
00:29:22.000 And he goes, Everlast?
00:29:27.000 And he went back to talking to his people because he didn't think Everlast was going to come up and do nothing. 1.00
00:29:32.000 Everlast went and walked over to this table, looked to his face, turned him around real quick, and started choking him in the fucking ass. 1.00
00:29:39.000 Say my name again, buddy! 1.00
00:29:41.000 Say it!
00:29:42.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:29:43.000 Oh, man.
00:29:44.000 It was hilarious.
00:29:45.000 But, yeah, man.
00:29:47.000 Well, 10th Planet is downtown, right near where your place is.
00:29:50.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:29:51.000 So your studio or your setup, that's real close to 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu.
00:29:54.000 Yeah, man.
00:29:55.000 Just let me know.
00:29:56.000 I'll set it up.
00:29:56.000 I will, man.
00:29:57.000 You gotta avoid any flat earth conversations that come up.
00:30:00.000 Just plug your ears and keep moving.
00:30:01.000 I get those from time to time, you know? 0.99
00:30:04.000 People need to stay the fuck off of YouTube, man. 0.99
00:30:07.000 Shh! 0.99
00:30:08.000 Man.
00:30:09.000 Yeah.
00:30:09.000 They get confused.
00:30:11.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:30:12.000 That's the craziest shit. 1.00
00:30:13.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:30:14.000 Because I always argue like this about the flat earth, right?
00:30:17.000 So, hey, listen.
00:30:17.000 If we got a flat earth, there's an edge.
00:30:20.000 Right?
00:30:20.000 And there's always thrill seekers looking to do something thrilling.
00:30:24.000 And there's always a thrill seeker that fucks up and falls right off of that edge.
00:30:29.000 Right? 0.99
00:30:30.000 So how many motherfuckers would be falling off the edge of the earth if we really had one? 1.00
00:30:35.000 Oh, for sure. 1.00
00:30:35.000 You know? 1.00
00:30:36.000 There would be climbers.
00:30:38.000 There'd be a bunch of dudes who would try to hang off the edge and take selfies.
00:30:41.000 Think about it, right?
00:30:43.000 12 people this year have died at the Grand Canyon.
00:30:46.000 That's the Grand Canyon.
00:30:48.000 Is that really that many?
00:30:49.000 That many. 0.99
00:30:49.000 Damn. 0.99
00:30:50.000 So far in this year. 1.00
00:30:52.000 And some people die of a heart attack there.
00:31:05.000 People have heart attacks from that? 0.99
00:31:15.000 Falling off the fucking bridge and plummeting, right? 0.99
00:31:19.000 So you gotta think, man, if we had a flat earth, how many people would be visiting the edge and falling off taking a selfie, man? 0.99
00:31:27.000 There's no, you know, come on.
00:31:29.000 No doubt.
00:31:30.000 There'd be teams of people.
00:31:31.000 Teams!
00:31:31.000 They would travel to flat earth and they would, like, rope.
00:31:35.000 Like Alex Honnold would probably try to climb off the side.
00:31:38.000 We'd hear it on the news.
00:31:39.000 Another person has died from falling off the edge of the earth.
00:31:42.000 Yeah.
00:31:43.000 It would be 100%.
00:31:44.000 That'd be our 100th fatality decision.
00:31:47.000 The flat earth people would tell you, though, that the government guards that.
00:31:50.000 Yeah, and our edge.
00:31:52.000 Guard the edge.
00:31:52.000 Yeah, you can't go near it, bro.
00:31:53.000 Yeah.
00:31:54.000 Battleships.
00:31:54.000 Well, there wouldn't be just one edge, though, right?
00:31:57.000 That's true.
00:31:57.000 But they didn't think that through.
00:31:59.000 Yeah, no.
00:31:59.000 There'd be several edges if we're flat.
00:32:02.000 Yeah, but see, you gotta have that YouTube mentality.
00:32:04.000 You gotta put your head in a little box and leave it in there.
00:32:07.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:32:08.000 Fucking turn the oven box on and stick your head in it. 1.00
00:32:10.000 The government's blocking the edge, man. 1.00
00:32:12.000 You can't get near it.
00:32:13.000 Yeah, it's like we're living in a dome.
00:32:17.000 You know, that's the theory.
00:32:18.000 That's the other one.
00:32:19.000 Yeah, the dome.
00:32:20.000 The dome theory.
00:32:20.000 Yeah, there's no space.
00:32:21.000 Space is fake. 1.00
00:32:23.000 Fuck, man. 1.00
00:32:24.000 People smoke too much. 1.00
00:32:25.000 People want to believe in some crazy shit, you know? 1.00
00:32:28.000 I wonder how much of them are stoners. 1.00
00:32:29.000 Like, most of them, right?
00:32:30.000 Yeah.
00:32:32.000 How many of them are microdosing?
00:32:34.000 Oh, good.
00:32:35.000 Yeah, probably.
00:32:35.000 You know, because that's a thing now.
00:32:38.000 Everybody's like fucking microdosing right now. 0.98
00:32:40.000 And it's not bad for you. 0.99
00:32:42.000 They say it's actually, you know, kind of good for you, but...
00:32:44.000 Ron White's doing it.
00:32:45.000 Ron White microdoses psilocybin every day.
00:32:48.000 He goes, well, I never felt better in my life.
00:32:51.000 And they like to talk when they're microdosing.
00:32:53.000 Yeah.
00:32:54.000 Especially psilocybin.
00:32:55.000 You just have these ideas.
00:32:57.000 That's the thing. 0.99
00:32:58.000 You have ideas and your mind becomes open to shit that normally you're closed off to, obviously. 0.99
00:33:04.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:33:05.000 I think they think that the earth is a disk.
00:33:08.000 I think that's what I've heard recently.
00:33:10.000 They think it's a disk.
00:33:11.000 A disk.
00:33:11.000 Some sort of a floating disk.
00:33:13.000 Hmm.
00:33:14.000 And then we live in the firmament or something like that.
00:33:16.000 There's like some sort of a cover over the top of the disc.
00:33:19.000 And that's what the...
00:33:20.000 Here it is.
00:33:20.000 What is this, Jamie?
00:33:21.000 It's the cruise.
00:33:22.000 Huh?
00:33:23.000 The cruise next year that they're at.
00:33:24.000 The flat earth cruise?
00:33:25.000 Yeah.
00:33:26.000 Oh my god.
00:33:27.000 Is that real?
00:33:28.000 Best adventure yet. 0.99
00:33:28.000 They're gonna get to the fucking glaciers and they're gonna go, I told you the wall! 0.99
00:33:32.000 The flat earth cruise. 1.00
00:33:33.000 I hope they jump out and get eaten by polar bears. 1.00
00:33:35.000 That's the funniest shit. 1.00
00:33:38.000 It has to use GPS to get around. 1.00
00:33:41.000 Good luck with that.
00:33:43.000 How many scientists do they have on their side?
00:33:46.000 All of them. 1.00
00:33:49.000 That's the funniest shit. 1.00
00:33:51.000 No, it's fucking ridiculous. 1.00
00:33:53.000 There's gigantic satellites that take huge, high-resolution photos of the Earth every 10 seconds from orbit, from thousands of miles out. 0.99
00:34:00.000 Those are doctored. 1.00
00:34:02.000 Yeah, it's just the whole thing is so fucking stupid. 1.00
00:34:04.000 Of all the shit to believe in, to invest any energy in that, why would someone lie about the shape of the Earth? 1.00
00:34:10.000 That's the dumbest part about it. 0.99
00:34:12.000 You want to know what I think is before the internet and all these different platforms where you can get information, our government and other governments could debunk any information on UFOs, anything, 0.94
00:34:27.000 because there wasn't the wide communication that exists now, right?
00:34:32.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:34:32.000 So I think now they put in people who are saying this crazy, wild, way-out shit so that people that are really trying to expose truth on certain things, they get looked at as whack jobs like the rest of those that are trying to say, 0.96
00:34:49.000 oh, well, Flat Earth, or we're on a disc, or we're in a globe, or blah, blah, blah. 0.99
00:34:53.000 The government's spying on you.
00:34:55.000 They'll throw all that together.
00:34:56.000 The government is spying on you.
00:34:58.000 Yeah.
00:34:58.000 They are.
00:34:59.000 That is for sure.
00:34:59.000 No, they really are.
00:35:01.000 Since George Bush Jr. was president, they've been listening to our phone calls.
00:35:07.000 I mean, that's a fact.
00:35:07.000 I mean, that was one of the things they enacted with the Homeland Security, that they can record every American's call.
00:35:14.000 And, you know, whatever conversation mentioned certain keywords, as we were saying earlier, they would, you know, they would get shuffled off to a certain department.
00:35:24.000 And those guys were red flagged and looked at.
00:35:26.000 And that still happens today.
00:35:27.000 Still to this day, you don't need a warrant, then you just listen.
00:35:30.000 I mean, I'll tell you this, right?
00:35:32.000 I've been traveling, what, 20 some odd years at this point where when I was coming back into the United States, for a long time I would not get randomly checked or anything like that.
00:35:48.000 They just let us go by.
00:35:51.000 And I made a few posts somewhere, you know, with an abundant amount of cannabis, right?
00:35:58.000 And right after that post, each time I came back into the United States, they sent me into secondary for a search.
00:36:06.000 And I started asking, like, hey, I've been traveling for X amount of years now.
00:36:12.000 I've noticed that the last four times that I've come back from another country, you guys are randomly checking my bags now.
00:36:22.000 What's the deal?
00:36:23.000 Am I red flagged?
00:36:24.000 What's going on with my passport?
00:36:27.000 Well, I'm not really allowed to tell you this, but what kind of postings have you made on your social networks?
00:36:35.000 Really?
00:36:36.000 Yeah.
00:36:36.000 And I said, okay, say no more.
00:36:38.000 And I already knew what it was because I had put like, you know, a post with like four, five, six pounds in it.
00:36:47.000 What does five pounds of weed even look like?
00:36:50.000 It's a lot.
00:36:51.000 It's so light.
00:36:52.000 That's like giant pillows filled with weed. 0.99
00:36:55.000 So, you know, right then and there I knew, you know, from that reaction that he had that anybody with any sort of, that's involved in entertainment, music, athlete, you know, whatever, actor, actress, they're watching all of our shit. 0.99
00:37:10.000 Oh, for sure. 0.98
00:37:11.000 They're listening and they're watching.
00:37:13.000 Okay.
00:37:13.000 Well, especially someone like you who's been at the forefront of pushing cannabis legalization and always talked about it openly, flagrantly, even when it was a Schedule I substance.
00:37:23.000 Oh, yeah.
00:37:24.000 Everywhere, you know?
00:37:26.000 When did you get a medical card?
00:37:28.000 What year?
00:37:28.000 The year that it was available.
00:37:31.000 The first year it was available.
00:37:33.000 Was that like 95 or something?
00:37:34.000 94?
00:37:35.000 Yeah, I think I got mine from Dr. Eidelman.
00:37:38.000 Dr. Eidelman hooked me up, too.
00:37:40.000 Yeah, all right.
00:37:41.000 We're Eidelman brothers.
00:37:42.000 All right.
00:37:43.000 A lot of us are.
00:37:44.000 I used to go to him even when it was way more expensive because I'm like, that guy's an OG. Yeah.
00:37:49.000 Hey, bro.
00:37:50.000 Like, he told me, he goes, my God.
00:37:52.000 Because I lost track of him for a minute, you know, and when I went back to get a renewal some years back and he's like, Lewis, you've been with me a long time.
00:38:04.000 I mean, what it looks like is that you're patient number four.
00:38:07.000 Whoa! 0.71
00:38:09.000 Number four on his first, because he keeps a list of all his patients, I guess, you know, and apparently I was number four.
00:38:17.000 Yeah, even though there was doctors out here, I would always go travel to see him in Hollywood, just out of respect.
00:38:21.000 Yeah.
00:38:21.000 And he always had these, he had like OG stoners in the waiting room.
00:38:26.000 Oh yeah.
00:38:26.000 Just people that were just like barely holding on to reality.
00:38:29.000 Oh yeah.
00:38:30.000 He had all sorts.
00:38:31.000 He had the hippies, he had the new, you know, new gens, hip hop people.
00:38:37.000 Yeah. 0.96
00:38:37.000 He had vitamin drips and shit too, all kinds of weird stuff in his office. 0.96
00:38:40.000 Yeah, he would try to sell you on some different technology anytime he can. 0.98
00:38:45.000 This will help you stop smoking cigarettes.
00:38:47.000 Well, I don't smoke cigarettes.
00:38:48.000 Oh yeah, he had like a thing that you put on your ear, like a little electrical thing.
00:38:51.000 A little electrode.
00:38:52.000 Yeah, they gave one to Redband.
00:38:53.000 It didn't work.
00:38:56.000 Yeah.
00:38:56.000 You know, you got to try something, right?
00:38:58.000 Yeah, it was like a battery-powered thing, right?
00:39:00.000 Give a little charge to your ear that somehow or another is supposed to stop you from smoking cigarettes.
00:39:04.000 It's like...
00:39:05.000 Yeah, I didn't get it.
00:39:05.000 I didn't smoke cigarettes, so I was like, I don't smoke cigarettes.
00:39:09.000 Did you ever get your lungs checked out from all those years of weed smoking?
00:39:12.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I get physicals and stuff like that, and, you know, occasionally I'll have my lungs checked, and they tell me they're great.
00:39:20.000 Isn't that amazing?
00:39:21.000 It's crazy.
00:39:21.000 You know, because I think if you keep active, you know, like you train and a lot of us train now.
00:39:29.000 Like this generation, they're not like lazy stoners.
00:39:32.000 They don't just sit back and do nothing.
00:39:34.000 There still are those, but...
00:39:36.000 You know, I don't think it has the same carcinogens as, you know, people expected, you know, like cigarettes.
00:39:43.000 It doesn't.
00:39:44.000 And so, you know, you might look at someone's lungs who smokes cigarettes and you might see something there and like, hey, you need to, you know, slow the fuck down over here.
00:39:54.000 And every time that I've had my lungs checked or whatever, whether I've gotten sick or whatever, they're always telling me lungs are in good shape.
00:40:04.000 And it's a funny thing because I think in 1987, I was 17 and I was gangbanging.
00:40:15.000 I got shot, and I got hit by a.22, and as hollow points do, it broke into three pieces, the hollow point, and one of them punctured my lung on my left side.
00:40:32.000 And, you know, they were telling me, well, you know, do you smoke?
00:40:37.000 No, I don't really smoke because I didn't smoke cigarettes.
00:40:40.000 I smoked weed, but I wasn't going to divulge that at the time.
00:40:44.000 I was 17 and, you know, and they said, well, you know, well, that's good because you'll never smoke again.
00:40:51.000 They punctured your lung and blah, blah, blah.
00:41:11.000 Did they take the piece of metal out?
00:41:13.000 No, I still got the three pieces.
00:41:14.000 That's like when I go do my physicals and they do the MRIs and the x-rays and all that.
00:41:20.000 The doctors, you know, sometimes they forget because they see so many patients.
00:41:24.000 Mr. Freeze, these appear to be bullet fragments.
00:41:30.000 What is that?
00:41:32.000 Well, you just said it, Doc.
00:41:33.000 They're bullet fragments.
00:41:35.000 You've seen them a dozen times.
00:41:38.000 Yeah, I was very lucky.
00:41:40.000 I was very lucky because it punctured my lung and then two of the pieces, one was by the heart and one was by my spine.
00:41:47.000 But I was at Martin Luther King Hospital in Linwood and we call that place Killer King because you go in there for something small and end up dying or come out gimped out or something.
00:41:59.000 So, you know, I wasn't going to allow them to try and get to those bullets or those fragments.
00:42:06.000 To open you up?
00:42:07.000 Yeah, no, no, no.
00:42:08.000 Because, you know, they didn't have a great success rate.
00:42:11.000 What kind of lung exercise do they give you?
00:42:14.000 Try to pump your lungs back up.
00:42:15.000 They give you this breathing apparatus that has like a ball in it, right?
00:42:19.000 And it has two lines.
00:42:20.000 And, you know, it's the first line you're trying to, they're telling you every day for five minutes, ten minutes to blow that, you know, not all in one shot, but like to keep practicing getting the ball up there.
00:42:33.000 And that will help inflate the lung and get it back. 0.91
00:42:36.000 So I had to do that for probably like three weeks.
00:42:40.000 And, you know, the puncture wound, it healed itself, pretty much.
00:42:46.000 And the pieces are still in your lung?
00:42:48.000 Not in the lung, no.
00:42:49.000 It went past the lung.
00:42:51.000 It shot past the lung.
00:42:52.000 So, you know, I got a piece up here.
00:42:56.000 One off to the side in the back.
00:42:58.000 Well, when it's really cold, due to the nerve damage, I'll get like stinging.
00:43:04.000 You know, like when your hand falls asleep, the little needles.
00:43:08.000 I'll get that here, and then back here where it entered.
00:43:12.000 They had to cut right in between a rib here to stick the tube in to put the hose into the lung to get the blood out of the lung. 0.99
00:43:21.000 Damn. 0.99
00:43:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:43:22.000 I was living crazy before I got into the music. 1.00
00:43:27.000 The music saved my life, pretty much.
00:43:29.000 Really?
00:43:29.000 Yeah.
00:43:30.000 How long were you gangbanging for?
00:43:32.000 For some years, you know, I started young.
00:43:36.000 I was probably 13 years old.
00:43:39.000 Whoa! 0.71
00:43:39.000 Gangbanging. 0.71
00:43:41.000 And I got out of it probably...
00:43:44.000 I didn't necessarily get out.
00:43:46.000 But I changed up what I was doing.
00:43:48.000 Because you don't ever really get out, per se, unless they jump you out.
00:43:52.000 And, you know, I was too into it to be jumped out like that.
00:43:58.000 You know what I mean?
00:43:59.000 That wasn't...
00:43:59.000 Something I was going to do because, you know, for as negative as it was, it taught me a lot.
00:44:06.000 So my boys that I, you know, ran with, they understood I was trying to do something different. 0.96
00:44:13.000 You know, I made a choice to try the music and leave that shit alone because there was no way that you do both. 0.98
00:44:21.000 If you do both, you see the results of that, what's happening today with a lot of cats. 0.99
00:44:26.000 You know what I mean?
00:44:26.000 Yeah.
00:44:27.000 Try to ride the line, be professional and be in the music, but they're still kind of in this world over here, and when one bleeds into the other, it fucks everything up.
00:44:39.000 So I chose.
00:44:40.000 I was going to do music and just talk about those life experiences and whatnot.
00:44:45.000 That was probably at 18 that I started taking on the music, and that's where it went, you know.
00:44:54.000 Like when you said you learned a lot from it, like what did you learn from it?
00:44:57.000 Well, you know, your street, you know, there's common sense and then there's common sense on the streets.
00:45:03.000 And then there's being aware and looking out and, you know, not being a doormat.
00:45:08.000 And just, it's a whole different type of schooling when you're gangbanging. 0.70
00:45:13.000 You know, it's... 0.95
00:45:15.000 The way you carry yourself, the way you communicate with someone and know whether they're disrespecting you or not, and how you deal with that disrespect, which is a whole different world in the gangbang shit, but it's a different kind of education. 0.85
00:45:33.000 I wouldn't take it back.
00:45:35.000 Some of the things I definitely regretted while I was doing it, for sure, but Yeah.
00:45:52.000 Yeah.
00:45:54.000 Yeah.
00:46:03.000 Get kids interested in doing something else.
00:46:07.000 Because falling into the gangs, it's easy.
00:46:09.000 If you don't have a good home life at home, the guys on the street are your second family and they eventually become your first family.
00:46:18.000 You know what I mean?
00:46:19.000 And if you don't have a father figure at home, one of the guys in the gang becomes your mentor.
00:46:25.000 He could become the guy you look up to as your father figure.
00:46:30.000 There's that.
00:46:31.000 And then...
00:46:34.000 Yeah.
00:46:55.000 So there's that peer pressure. 1.00
00:46:56.000 And then there's the legacy shit. 0.99
00:46:58.000 Like, so if my father was a gangster in this gang and he still lives in this neighborhood, pressure's on for me eventually to take up where father left off. 0.99
00:47:09.000 You know, and it's all those things.
00:47:12.000 And then some people just are thrill seekers and they choose it.
00:47:15.000 They have nothing, you know, in common with none of that.
00:47:19.000 They just choose it.
00:47:20.000 For some people, too, it's so appealing to have somewhere that you belong.
00:47:23.000 Right. 0.98
00:47:23.000 And that's the thing, because if you don't feel like you belong in your school or you don't belong in your family, that shit can totally take hold, and you end up there. 0.98
00:47:36.000 Fortunately, I had good friends that weren't gangbangers. 0.98
00:47:40.000 They had talent for music, which was Muggs and Sen's brother, Mello.
00:47:45.000 They were...
00:47:46.000 I did music as a hobby before I got into gangs and they got me back into the music because they recognized something in me and said, hey, we want you to come back.
00:47:57.000 We got these opportunities over here.
00:48:00.000 Come join us.
00:48:01.000 Did you always have that style?
00:48:02.000 No, I didn't.
00:48:03.000 When did you develop that?
00:48:05.000 Once we started working on our Cypress Hill demos, Muggs came to me and said, Hey man, you gotta do something. 0.85
00:48:12.000 You gotta do something different.
00:48:14.000 Otherwise, you're gonna write for Sen.
00:48:16.000 Because Sen had a good voice. 1.00
00:48:17.000 His shit was locked in. 1.00
00:48:18.000 My voice, I was rapping in a voice similar to the one I'm talking. 1.00
00:48:23.000 And although the rhymes were good...
00:48:26.000 It didn't cut through on the style like on the beats. 0.99
00:48:30.000 It just sounded like some regular shit. 0.98
00:48:33.000 So I didn't want to be someone's writer. 0.99
00:48:35.000 I wanted to write for myself.
00:48:38.000 There was a guy that we used to listen to coming up.
00:48:42.000 His name was Ram LZ. He was on this record called Wild Style and he was in the movie.
00:48:47.000 He was this rapper who was very obscure, But he was an artist too, you know, like a graffiti artist, but then also an artist, you know, but he was also a rapper.
00:48:58.000 And what he would do is he'd rap in a regular style, like his talking voice.
00:49:03.000 This is the brother they call the Ram Bell.
00:49:05.000 He had a deep voice like that.
00:49:07.000 And then he would flip right in the middle.
00:49:11.000 Take it up town to Cypress Hill with the shotgun, blah, blah, blah, like that.
00:49:15.000 And, you know, we were always freaking out on that he had two styles.
00:49:19.000 So I tried throwing my voice in that sort of similar style, and it ended up sticking.
00:49:26.000 I didn't really like...
00:49:27.000 I didn't think anybody was going to like it. 0.98
00:49:30.000 I thought they were going to be like, get the fuck out of here with that. 0.96
00:49:33.000 But they ended up liking it.
00:49:34.000 And I think the first song that...
00:49:46.000 Yeah.
00:49:47.000 Yeah.
00:50:01.000 And it took a minute to get used to that.
00:50:06.000 You know, like doing it live?
00:50:08.000 Because, you know, I had a tendency as rappers, you know, that don't know because there's no school for this unless you have somebody who's done it and they teach you, okay, this is what the get down is.
00:50:18.000 And we didn't have that really.
00:50:19.000 It was all hands-on learning.
00:50:22.000 For the first few years, man, I was trying to do the voice and I'd end up getting overhyped because the crowd is hype and I'd start yelling the verses instead of rapping them on the record.
00:50:33.000 I'd throw my voice out, my voice would get scratchy, I'd be sounding like Busta Rhymes and shit, you know what I mean?
00:50:39.000 And it took me five years to actually harness how to actually do the shows with this voice. 0.75
00:50:46.000 And I had to go to this opera singer coach.
00:50:50.000 Really?
00:50:51.000 Her name was something, Elizabeth Sabine or something like that.
00:50:54.000 She trained a lot of folks. 0.99
00:50:56.000 But her shit was like to teach you the operatic way of singing, which is from the diaphragm. 1.00
00:51:02.000 Tighten the stomach, take little breaths, but those little breaths make your lungs expand a lot, and it's less projection from your throat and more from the bottom. 0.99
00:51:13.000 And she taught me that technique, and I never went hoarse again after that.
00:51:19.000 People often compliment me on sounding so close to how the records are.
00:51:25.000 There's once in a while where I might get excited and start saying it louder than it might be, but I'm always sort of right there.
00:51:32.000 And I gotta give all props to her, because if she hadn't showed me that technique, I'd probably still... 0.99
00:51:38.000 Be yelling and screaming my shit out. 0.99
00:51:40.000 Fucking up my voice, you know? 1.00
00:51:42.000 Yeah, that brings up an interesting point. 0.98
00:51:43.000 Is this her?
00:51:44.000 Yeah, she's teaching somebody how to sing heavy metal right here. 0.79
00:51:46.000 No way, let me hear something.
00:51:47.000 Oh, we can't play this on YouTube.
00:51:49.000 We'll get kicked off YouTube.
00:51:50.000 And she was an opera singer at one time.
00:51:52.000 Wow.
00:51:53.000 But she went on to teach people the technique.
00:51:56.000 No kidding, man.
00:51:58.000 That is wild.
00:52:01.000 See, because if you try to keep your breath and sustain a long note like that from your chest, you won't sustain that note long enough.
00:52:11.000 Doing it from your diaphragm? 0.99
00:52:13.000 Yeah, if you tighten up, it's almost like if you're going to take a shit. 1.00
00:52:25.000 Instead of from the throat. 0.99
00:52:26.000 That makes sense.
00:52:27.000 Yeah.
00:52:27.000 It allows your lungs to expand while you're breathing from your diaphragm.
00:52:34.000 So that's what she taught a lot of singers. 0.94
00:52:37.000 And another method is to cheat the word.
00:52:41.000 Like, pronounce it, you know, like you're kind of like, it's like what these mumble rappers do when they pronounce the word and they kind of mumble it and they sort of cheat it.
00:52:50.000 You know what the word is, but they didn't pronounce it all the way.
00:52:53.000 Right.
00:52:54.000 So, in other words, if you were going to sing the line, come with me, so it sounds a little bit cleaner, you'd say, come with me.
00:53:04.000 But in the way you would say it, it's more with a G. Right.
00:53:08.000 But it's so tucked in that you hear, come with me. 0.98
00:53:12.000 And it's just a cheating way of saying it to get the line a little bit cleaner and fucking, you know, in the breath. 0.99
00:53:19.000 And she taught me all that shit, and it worked for rap. 0.99
00:53:22.000 I didn't know if it would, because, I mean, she primarily taught singers. 0.99
00:53:27.000 I was probably the first rapper that she taught this technique to, and it stuck, man.
00:53:33.000 How'd you find her?
00:53:35.000 Um, one of my friends had heard of her, you know, because I mean, in the industry, you know, become friends with other, you know, your peers and stuff like that.
00:53:47.000 And, you know, I knew a couple singers and they were, you know, noting my problem is just, you know, screaming my verses and coming back with the And 0.95
00:54:18.000 fuck, she taught me the warm-up. 1.00
00:54:23.000 She taught me the certain words that you can cheat for certain breath control purposes because the way you pronounce certain things sort of add to that and just the tightening of the diaphragm. 0.99
00:54:39.000 If I hadn't learned that, it would have took me a lot longer to do the shows the way that I can do them now.
00:54:45.000 So do you warm up before shows?
00:54:47.000 I don't necessarily need to.
00:54:48.000 From the first song on, my voice gets in.
00:54:52.000 The first few bars, it warms up right then and there.
00:54:56.000 It's not really like singing where I gotta sustain notes and stuff like that, so I don't have to do those same kind of warm-ups. 0.84
00:55:02.000 If I was gonna sing some shit, yes, I would definitely have to get the pitch right and the throat warmed up to do those different melodies or whatever the hell, but... 0.93
00:55:16.000 Fortunately, I don't sing. 0.99
00:55:17.000 The whole rap world has always been fascinating to me, like how someone gets in.
00:55:22.000 Like, how do you get started?
00:55:24.000 Are there open mics?
00:55:26.000 Yeah, back in the day, man, someone had to be the guy endorsing you, you know, like saying to, you know, these guys over here, hey, man, listen to this artist right here. 1.00
00:55:38.000 They're the new shit. 0.99
00:55:39.000 They're going to be the one. 1.00
00:55:41.000 And then you would have to do a couple showcases and stuff like that and, you know, win some people over.
00:55:47.000 I mean, we definitely did our share of showcases in the beginning, but we were getting passed on left and right. 0.99
00:55:53.000 Because people thought, what are they talking about with this cannabis shit? 0.99
00:56:00.000 And we didn't sound like a West Coast group, you know, because we were trying to sell our shit to West Coast labels here, and they did not get us. 0.99
00:56:08.000 It wasn't until, you know, Muggs had, you know, he'd previously been in a group called 73, and he had worked with these guys called the Rhyme Syndicate, which was Ice-T's guys. 0.63
00:56:20.000 So he kind of, you know, he was the guy that people knew.
00:56:23.000 And then Send Dog's brother, Mellow Man Ace, eventually would get in the door.
00:56:29.000 And so, people started hearing about us through, you know, through more Mugs than Mellow. 0.93
00:56:35.000 Mellow didn't really do shit for us, you know, all truth told.
00:56:39.000 But Mugs, you know, they kept hearing about a group that he was forming outside of 783, which came to be Cypress Hill. 0.85
00:56:48.000 And so, you know, the guys that worked on him...
00:56:51.000 Worked with him on the 783 records, which is Joe Niccolo of Rough House Records.
00:56:57.000 You know, he wanted to sign whatever Muggs was doing. 0.98
00:57:01.000 And, you know, he eventually ended up signing us.
00:57:04.000 And they had a distribution deal with Sony Music.
00:57:08.000 So, you know, we put out our records to Rough House Columbia or Rough House Sony, something like that.
00:57:14.000 And that's how we got put on, you know.
00:57:16.000 And... 0.98
00:57:17.000 Again, it had to be word of mouth because if nobody heard of you, you had to have some really fucking dope music for them to even consider you. 0.87
00:57:27.000 If you didn't have someone backing you, it was tough. 0.99
00:57:31.000 You had to have someone come speak on your behalf and say, hey, these guys are the new shit. 1.00
00:57:36.000 And... 0.99
00:57:38.000 Fortunately for us, once we put out our snippet tape, like when Sony put out our snippet tape, guys like EPMD, right?
00:57:45.000 And they were one of our favorite groups in the world, man.
00:57:49.000 They were the top five for Cyprus.
00:57:51.000 Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD. Love EPMD. Yeah, fuck.
00:57:56.000 They were the shit. 1.00
00:57:57.000 And those were the guys that took our snippet tape and they were showing our snippet tape to other rappers like, hey guys, look at these new fucking guys because... 1.00
00:58:06.000 You know, Busta Rhyme told me this story. 0.99
00:58:09.000 Yo, son, I heard your shit from EPMD way back in the day. 0.99
00:58:13.000 They was playing for Public Enemy and I just happened to be in the room. 0.99
00:58:19.000 And Ice Cube, when we met him for the first time, and we had our ups and downs with him, but he's one of my homies.
00:58:28.000 He told me, yeah, man, the first time I heard of y'all was through EPMD. We was on tour, was doing the show, and they came in with y'all taping.
00:58:35.000 That's how I heard of y'all.
00:58:38.000 They were like our first street team, man. 1.00
00:58:40.000 Fucking EPMD. One of our top three favorite groups was out there with our snippet tape telling people, hey, these guys are the new shit. 1.00
00:58:50.000 Are they still together? 0.79
00:58:51.000 They do stuff occasionally, but I think they do more work individually now.
00:58:57.000 I know Eric Sermon is putting out a record right now.
00:59:00.000 He was just promoting it on some radio show.
00:59:05.000 And...
00:59:06.000 I mean, those guys still stay active.
00:59:08.000 I mean, he's a producer, so he's always making music, but as a rapper, they don't put out as much stuff as they used to, but yeah, they're still active.
00:59:16.000 You know who I miss?
00:59:17.000 Cool G Rap.
00:59:18.000 Cool G Rap.
00:59:19.000 I still bust out.
00:59:21.000 A lot of guys don't have a style if he had never come out.
00:59:26.000 So many people were influenced by him. 1.00
00:59:30.000 Bad motherfuckers. 1.00
00:59:31.000 A lot of people forgot about him. 1.00
00:59:32.000 A lot of people forgot about him.
00:59:34.000 And he was one of the baddest dudes.
00:59:36.000 I mean, a lot of people, you know, would talk about Big Daddy Kane and Rakim.
00:59:40.000 Sure.
00:59:40.000 But you couldn't talk about them without talking about Coogee Rap because he was like one of those guys, like spitting mad verses, man.
00:59:49.000 Like his bar work was incredible.
00:59:51.000 Yeah, he was incredible.
00:59:52.000 I still listen to that song, Cockblockin'. 0.57
00:59:54.000 Every now and then I'll throw that on. 0.98
00:59:56.000 And I gotta tell you, if you hear songs that he does today, he is still fucking current. 0.87
01:00:03.000 He's still got that style that cuts through.
01:00:07.000 Some of the older artists, they sort of lose the style that people love and...
01:00:13.000 They don't know how to transition into, you know, what their style would be right now.
01:00:19.000 You know, like updating, whatever that style is.
01:00:22.000 You know, a lot of the older artists had troubles doing that, you know, but my man Coogee Rap. 0.99
01:00:28.000 Not a fucking problem. 0.99
01:00:29.000 Ill street blues. 1.00
01:00:30.000 He's still ill.
01:00:32.000 Yeah, he was fantastic.
01:00:34.000 Yeah, I always got confused why he didn't get bigger.
01:00:37.000 I didn't get it.
01:00:38.000 This guy's so good!
01:00:40.000 You know, I think it was just the wave that came after him.
01:00:44.000 You know, it's like he was such an underground force.
01:00:48.000 And if you're an underground force, you know, you had to make a conscious decision whether, okay...
01:00:57.000 If I go mainstream, I'm going to lose these hardcore fans.
01:01:01.000 I might gain these mainstream fans, but how long are they going to stay with me as opposed to these core fans that they're...
01:01:11.000 But with his style, he couldn't just keep them?
01:01:14.000 I thought he could.
01:01:15.000 A lot of guys kept them, right?
01:01:17.000 You want to know something?
01:01:18.000 I think it was due to the record company not wanting to take the chance. 1.00
01:01:24.000 Because as an artist, you want everybody to hear your shit. 0.99
01:01:27.000 For us, we didn't play those games. 1.00
01:01:29.000 We said, fuck it. 1.00
01:01:30.000 If we felt it was the right look for us, we were going to take it. 1.00
01:01:35.000 No matter what anybody thought.
01:01:38.000 And... 0.99
01:01:39.000 Again, you face scrutiny for shit like that, but in the end, if you didn't play yourself, people remember that. 1.00
01:01:47.000 And we said, fuck it, we're going to take our music mainstream, even though that was not our intent. 1.00
01:01:53.000 We always meant ourselves to be a more underground group. 0.99
01:01:57.000 But Insane in the Brain didn't allow that.
01:01:59.000 It propelled us.
01:02:01.000 So we were like, okay, well...
01:02:03.000 We're going to take our underground asses up into this mainstream and show them how we do it.
01:02:10.000 And it kicked the door open for a lot of other underground acts to go into the mainstream.
01:02:15.000 And we proved that if you do it right, and if you stay on your game, and if you keep working and stay present...
01:02:24.000 And put out quality music that you can sustain those mainstream fans that you gain right there and the core. 0.99
01:02:32.000 Yeah, you guys sustained so well that people covered your shit. 1.00
01:02:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:02:36.000 Like Rage.
01:02:37.000 That was awesome.
01:02:37.000 Rage Against the Machine when they covered Pistol Grip Pump on my left at all times.
01:02:40.000 Holy shit. 0.99
01:02:41.000 One of my favorite bands. 1.00
01:02:43.000 Zach Della Rocha yelling that? 1.00
01:02:44.000 Yeah, that shit was awesome. 0.98
01:02:46.000 He took a totally different take on it, but like a cover. 0.99
01:02:51.000 It was a cover, but it was his take.
01:02:53.000 It was badass.
01:02:55.000 It was one of my favorites, man.
01:02:56.000 And it was an honor to me because I was really good friends with them to begin with.
01:03:02.000 I saw them come out the gate before they exploded and became Rage Against the Machine.
01:03:08.000 And so for them to cover one of our songs, we were like, man... 1.00
01:03:11.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99
01:03:12.000 You know, because they helped us get better. 0.99
01:03:16.000 You know, there was a lot of groups that we looked to for influence, even if they were doing different style of music.
01:03:21.000 Like, Public Enemy was an influence to us.
01:03:23.000 Rage Against the Machine was an inspiration to us to, like, push the envelope a little bit more on what we were doing.
01:03:29.000 Not necessarily, like, how they were, because they had their own sound, just like we had our own sound.
01:03:35.000 So...
01:03:35.000 They made us push, you know in groups like that made us better So when we heard this guy fucking doing or this band doing the cover and then they asked us to come play this song Which which would be their last night as rage against the machine for a long time.
01:03:50.000 This was like their last show right here Wow, we got to do that with them That must have been amazing and I was wearing a dad hat before dad hats were cool I will not wear one right now.
01:04:02.000 Ever. 0.99
01:04:03.000 I don't know what I was thinking, but fuck it. 1.00
01:04:05.000 That's hilarious. 1.00
01:04:07.000 That's hilarious.
01:04:08.000 Nah, it was a fun show, man.
01:04:09.000 I went into the mosh pit.
01:04:10.000 Oh, did you really?
01:04:11.000 Yeah, before that song.
01:04:12.000 Before they called us up for that song, for most of their set, I was in the mosh pit.
01:04:16.000 And there was USC front linemen down there wrecking shop in the mosh pit, bro.
01:04:24.000 I was in there with them.
01:04:25.000 They were protecting me. 0.99
01:04:26.000 I was like, oh shit, be real, you're up in it. 1.00
01:04:27.000 I'm like, yep. 0.99
01:04:29.000 That we're a record shop together.
01:04:30.000 It was awesome.
01:04:31.000 There's a video of Dana White in a mosh pit once. 0.99
01:04:34.000 I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. 0.99
01:04:36.000 He must have been drunk. 1.00
01:04:37.000 He jumped in the mosh pit like years ago.
01:04:39.000 He's a big dude though.
01:04:40.000 He's a big dude.
01:04:41.000 He's jumping around there, moshing around.
01:04:43.000 Yeah, I dated a girl who got KO'd in a mosh pit once.
01:04:45.000 Oh man.
01:04:47.000 Hey, it's crazy, man.
01:04:48.000 I used to go into a lot of different mosh pits, man.
01:04:51.000 He's in the Rage mosh pit.
01:04:53.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:04:53.000 Most of it is safe, but every now and then you're running to a dickhead. 0.99
01:04:56.000 I'll tell you, man, the craziest mosh pits that I saw... 1.00
01:05:02.000 Well, the craziest mosh pits I've gotten into, there was a Limp Bizkit mosh pit that was crazy, but the craziest was the Rage mosh pit.
01:05:11.000 But the ones that I've seen from outside of it, not being in it, that were crazy was there was a Soundgarden mosh pit.
01:05:19.000 Soundgarden?
01:05:20.000 Yeah, at Lollapalooza.
01:05:21.000 Early on, it was when they had Bad Motor Finger out.
01:05:24.000 Oh, man. 1.00
01:05:26.000 That fucking mosh pit was like a whirlpool of chaos, bro. 1.00
01:05:30.000 I was loving it. 1.00
01:05:32.000 And I was on Mushrooms watching this shit. 1.00
01:05:34.000 So, it was fucking amazing. 1.00
01:05:37.000 And then the Slayer mosh pit, man. 1.00
01:05:40.000 Their fucking shit is brutal. 1.00
01:05:42.000 Yeah, that sounds like just the pace of Slayer. 1.00
01:05:46.000 It's crazy. 0.79
01:05:46.000 But I got to tell you, since joining Prophets of Rage and us, you know, when we tour Europe and stuff like that, and we do a combination of, you know, Rage Against the Machine songs, Public Enemy and Cypress Hill, along with our own material, the mosh pits are fucking crazy, 0.79
01:06:02.000 man. 0.98
01:06:03.000 But, you know, there was one thing that I saw that was not brutal, but it was cool as fuck. 0.99
01:06:09.000 And it was in, I believe it was Sweden or Switzerland, but out of like the 60,000, 70,000 people that were out there, there was like maybe 5,000 concentrated people who sat down on their ass, right? 0.99
01:06:24.000 And were like... 0.99
01:06:25.000 What the fuck are these people doing? 0.99
01:06:27.000 Are they protesting our set? 1.00
01:06:29.000 What the fuck is going on, right? 0.98
01:06:31.000 And what was crazy is, you know, you're not going to stop playing. 1.00
01:06:36.000 You just keep going.
01:06:36.000 So we start on, I believe the song was Gorilla Radio that we were playing at that point.
01:06:42.000 All of a sudden, we see them start doing this.
01:06:45.000 They're rowing?
01:06:46.000 They were rowing.
01:06:47.000 It was like a Viking row. 1.00
01:06:49.000 It was a fucking move. 1.00
01:06:51.000 It was a move that the crowd was doing. 1.00
01:06:53.000 So there's 5,000 people out of the 30,000 that are sitting in, you know, like next to each other, lines, rows, you know, just fucking of people rowing on beat, dog. 0.99
01:07:07.000 Wow, here they go. 1.00
01:07:10.000 Fucking Vikings, man. 1.00
01:07:11.000 How crazy. 1.00
01:07:12.000 That DNA just stuck with those people.
01:07:14.000 And that was just the little section of it, man.
01:07:16.000 If you were to see from stage, there was like, it was spotted groups.
01:07:21.000 And they sat down.
01:07:22.000 And they sat down and were rowing. 0.99
01:07:26.000 That's so fucking crazy. 0.99
01:07:28.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:07:28.000 Have you ever seen the, there was a, they did a Viking chant once at a soccer game? 0.98
01:07:33.000 Crazy, man. 0.99
01:07:33.000 Oh man, it's wild because the whole fucking arena did it. 0.99
01:07:36.000 And you feel it. 1.00
01:07:38.000 You feel that shit. 1.00
01:07:38.000 You're like, woo! 1.00
01:07:39.000 You gotta think, man, when they were going to wars back in the day, they rallied all their guys up just like that.
01:07:45.000 Look at that. 1.00
01:07:46.000 Yeah, look at all those fucking people. 1.00
01:07:47.000 They're out of tune, though. 1.00
01:07:48.000 This fucking boat's gonna go sideways. 1.00
01:07:50.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:07:51.000 You know, I don't know where that move comes from, but it looks cool when you see it. 0.99
01:07:56.000 It looks cool as fuck. 0.94
01:07:57.000 It's got to be an old school Viking thing. 0.98
01:07:59.000 Yeah.
01:07:59.000 They probably do it when they get drunk.
01:08:00.000 Yeah.
01:08:00.000 I mean, you know, think about it.
01:08:03.000 You know, they used to conquest motherfuckers, so they're like fucking rowing, rowing and rowing. 1.00
01:08:09.000 Imagine here. 1.00
01:08:09.000 Like, see if you can find the Viking one at a soccer game. 1.00
01:08:13.000 Because it's like, I think it's at a World Cup or something like that, but they're like, Yeah!
01:08:17.000 Yeah!
01:08:18.000 Yeah! 1.00
01:08:19.000 You hear it in the crowd, and he's like, oh my god, imagine hearing that shit over the water. 1.00
01:08:23.000 When they're coming to get you. 1.00
01:08:24.000 Coming towards your village.
01:08:24.000 Like, grab the baby, we're gonna live in the woods.
01:08:26.000 Fuck! 1.00
01:08:27.000 We gotta get out of here! 1.00
01:08:28.000 Yeah, and those are big dudes.
01:08:31.000 Yeah.
01:08:32.000 Here it is.
01:08:33.000 Oh.
01:08:35.000 Oh, yeah.
01:08:38.000 Look at that.
01:08:39.000 Oh, tuned in together, man.
01:08:41.000 They're all in sync.
01:08:42.000 Look at the hands.
01:08:44.000 That's spooky.
01:08:45.000 Yeah, imagine that. 1.00
01:08:46.000 Those motherfuckers, if somebody reignites them, they'll take over the world again. 1.00
01:08:50.000 They will take over the world again if there's enough of them. 1.00
01:08:53.000 Imagine that horde coming at you, bro. 1.00
01:08:55.000 A fucking crazy line of DNA. You know, a line of people that just were conquerors. 1.00
01:09:02.000 Sturdy motherfuckers. 1.00
01:09:03.000 Sturdy giant motherfuckers who did mushrooms. 1.00
01:09:05.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:09:06.000 They would blaze up, mushroom their fucking heads into oblivion, and just go slash people. 1.00
01:09:12.000 Go get them. 1.00
01:09:13.000 It's crazy, man.
01:09:15.000 There's another one?
01:09:16.000 There's another one.
01:09:18.000 So that's like their thing, the Viking club.
01:09:21.000 I guess the NFL Vikings sort of adopted this recently.
01:09:24.000 They do it in their football games. 0.99
01:09:25.000 Yeah, but look at that dork with the glasses. 1.00
01:09:27.000 Put your fucking hands down, man. 1.00
01:09:29.000 Stop. 1.00
01:09:32.000 Listen, bro.
01:09:33.000 You ain't a viking, bro. 0.98
01:09:35.000 They're trying to figure out the beat.
01:09:36.000 You stop that, sir.
01:09:38.000 Look, he's like, I get it.
01:09:40.000 He's a spiking. 1.00
01:09:42.000 So when you first start rapping, are you rapping with kids in your neighborhood? 0.98
01:09:47.000 Are you aspiring to be a rapper and writing shit down and trying things on your friends? 0.97
01:09:52.000 How do you get started? 0.99
01:09:53.000 Well, the way that I started, I was writing poetry first.
01:09:58.000 Really?
01:09:58.000 Yeah.
01:09:58.000 What kind of poetry?
01:09:59.000 Just hood stuff.
01:10:02.000 Just stuff that rhymed, but...
01:10:05.000 Just sort of writing it down.
01:10:08.000 It was almost like writing raps, but it's without saying it, right? 0.99
01:10:14.000 You read it and shit like that. 0.99
01:10:16.000 I would just write poetry about everyday shit. 1.00
01:10:21.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:10:21.000 Nothing... 0.99
01:10:23.000 You know, I wasn't like doing like the, I don't know if there's like categories of poetry, but you know, it was just stuff that would happen from day to day, you know.
01:10:33.000 And I had a knack for writing.
01:10:36.000 I realized that.
01:10:37.000 And I always wanted to be a journalist.
01:10:39.000 That's, you know, the thing that I thought I was going to be at school, right?
01:10:43.000 Do you write now?
01:10:44.000 I was for a while, but I looked at it.
01:10:47.000 What kind of stuff?
01:10:48.000 Just, again, everyday stuff, or I'd randomly pick something to write about.
01:10:53.000 So if it was about the cannabis industry, I'd write something about that.
01:10:57.000 If it was about the music industry, I'd write something about that.
01:11:02.000 Every now and then, back in the early 2000s, there was a magazine called Industry Insider Magazine, and occasionally I would write articles for that.
01:11:13.000 I wasn't really that great because, you know, I was so spotty in school that, you know, it needed work.
01:11:22.000 But they left it raw, the way that I would put it out there.
01:11:25.000 And people got my point, and that was cool, but...
01:11:29.000 I looked at it in the way that the music that I've done in a lot of the songs serve as a certain form of journalism for me.
01:11:39.000 Bringing up certain issues that people don't necessarily hear, like Throw Your Set in the Air is a song on Tebble's Boom, and it's a song about how you would get inducted into a gang, how you get put into a gang, how you fall into it.
01:11:56.000 And some people might think, you know, by hearing it that it was glorifying it and praising it, but it wasn't.
01:12:01.000 It was basically, this is how it is. 0.97
01:12:05.000 So you know the signs to look for if your kids are, you know, fucking around with the wrong people, you know, and that's... 0.90
01:12:13.000 I took it like, okay, maybe I'm not a journalist like I intended to be, but this is my way of it. 0.93
01:12:20.000 I can enlighten people with certain things.
01:12:24.000 Like anything, somebody's going to read something or hear something and maybe misinterpret what you say, but it's all about who's listening and who's reading and who's watching and stuff like that and their interpretation of it.
01:12:37.000 Some get it.
01:12:38.000 Some don't, and that's just the nature of it, but most people get it, and I've come across people that have come to me and come and said, hey man, your song's on Temple of Boom, man.
01:12:51.000 They helped to get me through these times, or these songs raised me.
01:12:55.000 They taught me this, this, and that.
01:12:57.000 That's awesome.
01:12:58.000 And to me, that's the impact right there. 0.99
01:13:01.000 That's the shit that means more time. 0.97
01:13:04.000 Right, because I'm sure you remember songs that got you through, right? 0.99
01:13:07.000 Oh yeah, for sure.
01:13:08.000 You know, there was songs from KRS-One and Public Enemy that, you know, got me through and fired me up.
01:13:16.000 You know, and inspired and stuff like that.
01:13:18.000 KRS-One's another one people forget about, man.
01:13:20.000 I'll be in my car just going, whoop, whoop.
01:13:22.000 That's the son of the police.
01:13:24.000 Yeah, I mean, he taught me how to be a bullhorn.
01:13:28.000 You know what I mean?
01:13:29.000 Like, tell the truth.
01:13:32.000 You know, your truth.
01:13:33.000 Get the word out.
01:13:34.000 And not be fearful of what might happen because he could have been one of the biggest stars in hip-hop.
01:13:41.000 He chose not to be.
01:13:43.000 He chose to be a voice.
01:13:44.000 And sometimes in being that voice, you know, you get objects put in front of you and certain opportunities don't, you know, get put on your table. 1.00
01:13:54.000 He says some great shit, man. 0.99
01:13:56.000 He's talking about getting mad at the president. 1.00
01:13:58.000 It's like being mad at the manager at McDonald's.
01:14:00.000 Yeah.
01:14:01.000 You know, for the way the corporation's being run.
01:14:03.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:14:05.000 He is very insightful in the shit that he says, and he is very unafraid to state it and state his opinions. 0.95
01:14:14.000 For you to get people coming up to you, when they first started coming up to you, telling you that your music got them through things, that it means so much to them, when that first started happening, that must have been surreal. 0.96
01:14:25.000 You know, yeah.
01:14:27.000 Because as an artist, especially as a young artist, that's not something you think about.
01:14:32.000 Oh, well, these songs are going to...
01:14:33.000 Well, it depends on the artist you are, right?
01:14:36.000 Well, you guys hit...
01:14:37.000 How old were you?
01:14:37.000 Like, 23 or something like that?
01:14:39.000 How old were you when...
01:14:40.000 I was like, we released in 91, and it really started going for us in 92, so I was 22. You're a kid!
01:14:48.000 Yeah.
01:14:48.000 That's so crazy!
01:14:50.000 Yep, there goes the baby fro. 0.80
01:14:52.000 Wow.
01:14:53.000 Wow.
01:14:53.000 Look at the baby fro.
01:14:55.000 Yeah.
01:14:55.000 But I mean, think about that, man.
01:14:57.000 That is so crazy for you to go from the guy who...
01:15:00.000 Yo, MTV Raps!
01:15:01.000 Yeah.
01:15:01.000 Who remembers that?
01:15:03.000 I did a bungee jump at this spring break with Tretch from Naughty By Nature.
01:15:07.000 Was that the one that was in Cancun?
01:15:09.000 No, that was Daytona Beach right there.
01:15:11.000 Oh, okay.
01:15:12.000 When MTV was still allowed over there.
01:15:15.000 It was back when MTV had music.
01:15:17.000 Yeah, when they had music format.
01:15:20.000 MTV was music videos.
01:15:23.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:15:24.000 Good luck finding a fucking music video now. 0.99
01:15:27.000 I guess they still have them. 0.99
01:15:28.000 You gotta go to YouTube.
01:15:29.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:15:30.000 Yeah.
01:15:31.000 Wow, that is wild.
01:15:33.000 What was it like when it first started popping off and you were 22 years old?
01:15:37.000 Did it feel real?
01:15:39.000 It was a crazy thing because it's not something that I had ever envisioned happening.
01:15:44.000 I didn't think that the music would blow up like that. 0.96
01:15:48.000 We were doing it to obviously try and make a name for ourselves and make music that people like, but fuck, we didn't see that coming at all. 0.98
01:16:00.000 Especially with Insane in the Brain. 0.98
01:16:01.000 When they told me...
01:16:03.000 Like when Kill A Man started going, it was like surreal because, you know, we didn't think that song would take just because of the chorus itself. 0.99
01:16:13.000 You know, fuck what the song is about. 0.97
01:16:16.000 We knew that the chorus was what they were going to hear more than anything. 0.99
01:16:20.000 And so, you know, we thought, nah, we're going to have a good Underground album.
01:16:24.000 We didn't realize it would blow up.
01:16:26.000 We didn't think they were going to put Kill A Man in the Juice movie, and that would blow that song up even more so than it was getting.
01:16:34.000 Because we had released Funky Phil ones first, and it was a double A-side single, Funky Phil and Kill A Man on the other A-side.
01:16:41.000 Which means, at that time, the DJs had the option of which song they wanted to go, whereas most of the time, you had an A-side, B-side, and the A-side is most definitely the one that the record company wants you to push.
01:16:55.000 We gave it a double A-side because we thought maybe the DJs would like Kill A Man More.
01:17:01.000 They went with Funky Phil and the record company because they figured it would be easier to market, right?
01:17:07.000 And then the DJs started flipping the record.
01:17:10.000 Of course.
01:17:10.000 And we started getting traction behind that.
01:17:12.000 Our record was out like six months, had dropped off the chart, and they flipped the record. 0.98
01:17:18.000 Our shit slowly starts to go back up the chart. 0.97
01:17:21.000 We got back on the chart and started climbing. 0.99
01:17:24.000 And we were getting a whole lot of mixed show play.
01:17:28.000 And then we started doing a lot of promotional shows, that being one of them.
01:17:32.000 And it started going.
01:17:34.000 And Kill A Man started getting us going.
01:17:36.000 And, I mean, we toured for...
01:17:40.000 Probably a year and a half, just a lot of promotional shows, not getting paid, just Sony having us out there promoting the record.
01:17:50.000 And by the time our record got back up into the middle of the charts, I mean, it was still rising, and they saw that.
01:17:58.000 They were like, we got to get them off the road in making a new record.
01:18:02.000 So that's when we got out there with Black Sunday. 0.75
01:18:05.000 And with Black Sunday and Insane coming out, again, that's not a song I thought would blow up when they chose that for the single. 0.99
01:18:12.000 I'm like, well, alright, there's better songs, but fuck it. 0.98
01:18:15.000 That's the one. 1.00
01:18:16.000 Okay.
01:18:17.000 So it comes out, boom, it explodes, and now we have...
01:18:22.000 Our Black Sunday charting at number one coming in.
01:18:25.000 And our first album had come all the way from the bottom to hit number five.
01:18:30.000 So we had two albums in the top ten of the 200 songs on the chart, which no one had ever done in hip-hop before.
01:18:41.000 We had one in five slot. 0.98
01:18:44.000 And, you know, fuck, we definitely didn't think that was going to happen. 0.99
01:18:49.000 I mean, you know, it was all a surprise. 1.00
01:18:50.000 And It went from one minute you could go to a mall and be, you know, unassuming and nobody even knows who the fuck you are and, you know, you're getting about your day to now you go to the mall and the whole fucking mall is swarming on you like fucking you're like... 0.99
01:19:07.000 You know, Paul McCartney or something. 1.00
01:19:09.000 It was the craziest shit. 0.99
01:19:10.000 They would ask us to leave the malls. 1.00
01:19:12.000 Really?
01:19:13.000 Yeah.
01:19:14.000 I used to go to this one called the Montebello.
01:19:18.000 It was in Montebello.
01:19:19.000 I can't remember what the name of the mall was, but it was in Montebello, the only one down there at the time.
01:19:23.000 And we knew everybody there as we're coming up because that's where we'd go shop.
01:19:30.000 So you make friends and people in the shop and stuff like that.
01:19:34.000 And when we come back off a tour this time and try to go to that mall... 0.95
01:19:40.000 You know, one of our friends fucked up and wore a Cypress Hill jacket. 0.93
01:19:43.000 Oh. 1.00
01:19:44.000 And that's like a fucking billboard when you're standing next to one of us, right? 0.99
01:19:48.000 So, before you know it, boom, we get swooped in, you know. 0.99
01:19:51.000 That was pre-cell phone, too. 0.98
01:19:52.000 Yeah, and the mall security goes, hey, man, you know, I know it's fucked up, but you guys gotta go. 0.96
01:19:58.000 I was like... 0.98
01:20:00.000 Really?
01:20:01.000 I was like, yeah, man.
01:20:02.000 It's a commotion.
01:20:03.000 You guys gotta go.
01:20:04.000 They're telling me.
01:20:04.000 I was like, they think somebody's gonna fight.
01:20:06.000 I'm like, alright.
01:20:08.000 I never went back to that mall after that.
01:20:10.000 I was like, alright.
01:20:12.000 Cool.
01:20:13.000 Because, you know, one, I didn't want to cause them problems.
01:20:16.000 Two, now it was tough to go somewhere at that time and not get, you know...
01:20:23.000 Swarmed.
01:20:24.000 Not get swarmed, yeah.
01:20:25.000 It was quite...
01:20:28.000 Quite an experience, man.
01:20:30.000 Because you only ever hear about it till it happens. 0.99
01:20:33.000 And you might, if you have friends in the industry and it's happening for them, you might see it indirectly through their shit. 0.99
01:20:42.000 And we had friends in the business. 0.99
01:20:46.000 Kid Frost was one of my friends before we got out there and Is he still around?
01:20:51.000 Yeah, yeah, he still does stuff.
01:20:53.000 I don't know if he's putting out so much new music these days, but he's still here and there.
01:20:59.000 He's doing some of the cannabis industry stuff, too, because he's a big connoisseur.
01:21:04.000 I got to tell you, my man used to smoke like a train, man.
01:21:08.000 Him and I would trade joints off left and right.
01:21:11.000 But, you know, for a time, you know, I would go hang with him at his gigs.
01:21:16.000 I'd be his bodyguard because I was the one that was not afraid to carry the hammer, meaning the magnum in my waistline.
01:21:23.000 You know, we were cowboys, man.
01:21:25.000 We were always armed at that time from 89 to probably 97 or 98. We were holding pistols.
01:21:35.000 On our hip like cowboys.
01:21:37.000 And, you know, he knew that.
01:21:38.000 So, he would ask me to go to the gigs, you know, double as his bodyguard.
01:21:44.000 I wasn't his bodyguard, but I was his bodyguard.
01:21:47.000 You know what I mean?
01:21:47.000 Right, right.
01:21:48.000 And I'd see the way he handled it.
01:21:51.000 And I'd see the way, you know, people crowded around him.
01:21:54.000 And...
01:21:56.000 So I learned how to deal with it watching how he would do it in a negative way or a positive way.
01:22:03.000 Because he sometimes embraced the crowd. 1.00
01:22:06.000 Sometimes he's like, fuck off me. 1.00
01:22:09.000 Like a lot of artists are. 1.00
01:22:11.000 And...
01:22:13.000 That sort of prepared me so that when we got in our lane, I knew how to sort of deal with it. 0.99
01:22:20.000 I was always courteous and cool and respectful and never the guy that was like, nah man, fuck that, get out of here. 0.91
01:22:27.000 Because I see it and some of my homies were like that. 0.99
01:22:30.000 I hated the feeling that when the fans would walk away, just totally fucking wind out of their sails and shit like that. 0.98
01:22:38.000 Now they don't like this artist ever again. 0.99
01:22:41.000 And I saw that.
01:22:42.000 And I never wanted to have anyone walk away with that experience. 0.99
01:22:46.000 I always embraced it, even when it was a pain in the ass, you know? 0.98
01:22:50.000 So... 0.97
01:22:50.000 When was your first time ever getting on stage? 0.97
01:22:53.000 Do you remember?
01:22:54.000 First time...
01:22:55.000 There used to be a club called Radiotron here in the 80s, right?
01:22:59.000 And it was the hip-hop club.
01:23:00.000 If you were into hip-hop, any aspect of it, whether it was rapping, breakdancing, popping, graffiti, all the people went to that spot.
01:23:09.000 And...
01:23:10.000 It was hard to get in there, and it was hard to get on the mic, no less.
01:23:15.000 But we had a homie who was like a legendary DJ out here when the AM station was playing hip-hop.
01:23:22.000 His name was Tony G, and he was the leader of the Mixmaster show, the head Mixmaster.
01:23:28.000 And he had a residency at the Radiotron.
01:23:31.000 So we grew up with one of his boys that was his...
01:23:38.000 His protege. 0.88
01:23:40.000 So they invited us over, and myself and Sen got on the mic and Mello, and I froze the fuck up, I tell you. 0.89
01:23:49.000 I froze up.
01:23:50.000 I forgot every rap I ever wrote or ever memorized.
01:23:53.000 I was like, uh...
01:23:56.000 It would be one of the two times that I would freeze in my life.
01:23:59.000 And that was the first time I was on stage.
01:24:02.000 And all those people looking at me, waiting, expecting something.
01:24:06.000 I totally blew it, you know?
01:24:08.000 And I told myself, okay, I got to get over the nervousness.
01:24:12.000 And then the other thing we were doing was...
01:24:15.000 It was like... 0.99
01:24:18.000 They wanted rappers to do this PSA for some bullshit, right? 0.99
01:24:21.000 And they wanted us to write this rap and put all this certain information in there. 0.99
01:24:27.000 And I had it.
01:24:28.000 I had it memorized.
01:24:29.000 I had it locked in. 0.99
01:24:31.000 The minute they said, go, and they were filming it, you know, this was to film it, I kept fucking it up horribly. 0.96
01:24:38.000 I didn't even get through it.
01:24:40.000 I was like, I'm sorry, I can't do it. 1.00
01:24:42.000 Fuck. 0.99
01:24:42.000 I was getting mad at myself doing that. 0.99
01:24:44.000 Fuck! 1.00
01:24:45.000 Fuck, what's wrong with me? 1.00
01:24:46.000 Were you high? 1.00
01:24:46.000 No, I wasn't. 1.00
01:24:47.000 Maybe that was the problem. 0.99
01:24:48.000 That was probably the problem, you know, because when I'm not high is when shit like this happens, right? 0.99
01:24:53.000 So those were the two times that I totally fucked it up. 0.97
01:24:58.000 And from the last time, I said, I'll never do that again.
01:25:01.000 I'm going to be prepared, and I'm going to get through the anxiety or whatever it is.
01:25:06.000 And so those were the first two times.
01:25:09.000 But the first time on stage where I actually...
01:25:13.000 Pulled it off.
01:25:14.000 It was probably one of our first showcases.
01:25:16.000 It was at this place off of the 10. It wasn't a showcase.
01:25:21.000 It was actually a competition.
01:25:23.000 You know how they used to do competitions at clubs?
01:25:27.000 What do they call it?
01:25:28.000 I forgot what they used to call them.
01:25:30.000 Different bands would It was like a battle of the bands, right?
01:26:09.000 Oh no!
01:26:13.000 And everybody loved it.
01:26:15.000 We lost to these dudes who are like new edition wannabes.
01:26:18.000 We called them Tootsie Rolls, but we don't remember the name.
01:26:21.000 They won.
01:26:22.000 But in reality, we won because everybody was talking about us at the end, you know, like how raw that was.
01:26:30.000 And after that show, I realized...
01:26:33.000 You know, this is how I'm supposed to do it.
01:26:36.000 And I seen KRS-One do a show one time where the sound went out.
01:26:42.000 He didn't have a stage.
01:26:43.000 He was on a couple of tables that were put together.
01:26:46.000 And he just got up in front of the whole club, no microphone, no music, and just started rapping his verses.
01:26:53.000 And people were rapping right along with him. 0.97
01:26:56.000 Not giving a fuck that the sound turned off, but the fact that he just continued to do the show. 0.99
01:27:02.000 And that right there taught me a lot about how you control shit on stage. 0.99
01:27:08.000 Yeah, sometimes when things go wrong, it's a great opportunity. 0.99
01:27:12.000 Oh, yeah.
01:27:13.000 We did a show at the Improv last month.
01:27:16.000 Maybe last month or the month before, the power went out.
01:27:18.000 And they're like, what do you want to do? 1.00
01:27:20.000 I said, fuck it. 1.00
01:27:21.000 Let's do a show. 1.00
01:27:22.000 I could yell.
01:27:23.000 Yeah.
01:27:23.000 So everybody just did the show with no microphone.
01:27:27.000 But the Improv's a small room.
01:27:29.000 It's only 180 people.
01:27:30.000 Yeah, I mean, that place was, you know, a small place, too.
01:27:34.000 But, I mean, it goes to show you, man, like, if you got it, you can do it.
01:27:40.000 Yeah, it's probably better sometimes because it's unique.
01:27:42.000 Yeah, because people will remember, you know, the other way, yeah, you know, it probably would have been a great show and people would be talking about it, but they'll remember the fact that you got over that adversity.
01:27:52.000 Yeah.
01:27:52.000 And we're able to still deliver.
01:27:54.000 And that's the shit that KRS-One did for me. 0.99
01:27:58.000 He showed me through the adversity. 0.99
01:28:00.000 He kept doing the show and the people were still with him.
01:28:03.000 And I thought, okay, one day that's going to be me.
01:28:06.000 And I'm going to do what the teacher does.
01:28:09.000 And, you know, that...
01:28:12.000 That had been one of the most important things that I learned in watching others do shows and stuff like that and what I would do when I got up there.
01:28:23.000 And I applied all those lessons, man.
01:28:27.000 And it's made me who I am as my part of Cypress Hill.
01:28:31.000 And when I do my solo stuff and when I'm with Prophets of Rage, that got me prepped for everything that I do now in terms of music.
01:28:40.000 Now, how did you...
01:28:40.000 Well, it's good for you to tell people that you had a real hard time your first time performing.
01:28:46.000 Oh, yeah.
01:28:46.000 There's probably a lot of people out there that get anxious.
01:28:49.000 Yeah, a lot of people never say that.
01:28:51.000 They'll lie, you know?
01:28:52.000 But I think that's important.
01:28:54.000 And there's nothing wrong with those feelings, man.
01:28:56.000 It's good.
01:28:57.000 You've got to learn, man.
01:28:58.000 You're a kid.
01:28:59.000 It's like you liken it to college stars that are coming into the professional sports now, like basketball players, for instance.
01:29:09.000 You get this number one draft pick.
01:29:11.000 He comes to a team, and everybody has these high expectations.
01:29:15.000 No one knows that this kid...
01:29:17.000 Some people own the space, like LeBron and Kobe and Kevin Garnett, who came straight from high school, and they own the space the minute they got...
01:29:27.000 I mean, Kobe had to work.
01:29:28.000 He wasn't the greatest, you know, when he started, he had to work to get to where he was at.
01:29:35.000 And a lot of these guys do.
01:29:37.000 Some of them, you know, again, they come in and they already got it.
01:29:43.000 You know, like LeBron, he was, you know, playing a grown man's game right when he got into the league, thrown into the fire, but he was ready for that.
01:29:52.000 He got better and learned the role and learned who he was as he's gone, but he was one of those rare people that can just jump into it.
01:30:02.000 Some people have to get better at it.
01:30:05.000 It's the same thing with music.
01:30:06.000 You get thrown on that big stage for the first time.
01:30:10.000 If you're not prepped for it, you're going to definitely be nervous.
01:30:13.000 Now you could either embrace that and...
01:30:16.000 It'll be your first show and you can do a good one or you can do a horrible one, but either way you can learn from that.
01:30:22.000 And if you don't learn from it, then the run is short.
01:30:25.000 If you learn from it, you learn how to get better and sustain a longer career.
01:30:32.000 How did you learn how to get over the anxiety?
01:30:34.000 Like your first show, the first show sucked like that.
01:30:38.000 What did you learn? 0.78
01:30:40.000 Did you take classes?
01:30:43.000 Did you read a book?
01:30:45.000 You know what we did that helped me was that we rehearsed a lot.
01:30:49.000 Because for me it was like more remembering the songs.
01:30:52.000 It wasn't like the nerve to go out in front of people.
01:30:56.000 Because we came from the breakdance in b-boy culture, the popping and stuff like that. 0.96
01:31:02.000 So much of that is going against someone, battling someone in front of a crowd.
01:31:07.000 And if you can be in front of a crowd doing that, because that's vulnerable.
01:31:11.000 I mean, you know, because in a battle, you could either win or you lose.
01:31:15.000 And if you lose, you know, obviously you could lose in an embarrassing way or...
01:31:21.000 We're good to go.
01:31:38.000 Knowing the songs, making sure that I know them through the nervousness, you know, and so for us, we did a lot of rehearsals in the early days just so that those first shows that we did, that we were locked in and we made an impression.
01:31:53.000 And, you know, when we did that and we saw the results of how people were reacting to our show, it gave me more confidence.
01:32:02.000 So, you know, I'd rehearse the songs in my head, you know, when I wasn't around the other guys. 1.00
01:32:08.000 I'd be kicking the songs or be on a treadmill working out, saying the songs, you know, getting them in my head and just gave me the confidence that I know this fucking shit. 1.00
01:32:19.000 I go up there, I'll rock this fucking thing. 0.99
01:32:21.000 I'm not going to forget it because that's always the problem for me. 0.99
01:32:25.000 It was never getting in front of people. 0.99
01:32:27.000 It was, do I know my shit? 0.99
01:32:29.000 I think? 1.00
01:32:48.000 I do a quick meditation before I go out there.
01:32:51.000 You know, just in my head, real quick.
01:32:54.000 And then our band prayer.
01:32:56.000 And then that's the switch right there.
01:32:59.000 And we go and we're ready.
01:33:00.000 But it took me a while to get to that, you know, because it takes work.
01:33:03.000 It's like anything.
01:33:04.000 If you're an athlete, if you're a boxer, you're only going to get better by boxing all the time.
01:33:10.000 Training all the time.
01:33:11.000 Not overtraining, but making sure that you're in there putting in the work.
01:33:14.000 And it's...
01:33:15.000 The same thing when you're rocking stages, you know?
01:33:18.000 A lot of us sometimes forget to go and put the time in and rehearse.
01:33:23.000 And you could see that when there's a sloppy show or someone's out of breath or they're not saying the whole line or they said the line wrong or they're changing up fragments of the song to make it easier for their performance and it doesn't necessarily fit.
01:33:37.000 That's when you know somebody ain't putting in the work.
01:33:41.000 But for us, that was a part of the draw for Cypress.
01:33:46.000 That's how we won a lot of people over, was the energy of our live show.
01:33:51.000 But it took that, the rehearsals, man.
01:33:53.000 And I would tell any artist coming up right now, man, before you start doing your shows, because you may get a hit that fast these days.
01:34:03.000 And you may be called to go do that show. 0.96
01:34:05.000 Now, if you don't do that show right and you suck, as good as that song is, you're never going to sell tickets when they fucking say, hey, so-and-so's performing at this place. 1.00
01:34:18.000 Ah, fuck that. 1.00
01:34:18.000 I'd rather just listen to the record. 1.00
01:34:20.000 He sucks live. 0.99
01:34:21.000 You know, so rehearse, man. 1.00
01:34:23.000 Rehearse.
01:34:24.000 And then after that, hey, take, you know, do what you will. 0.99
01:34:27.000 But those, they fucking help, man. 0.97
01:34:30.000 You know, for your confidence on performing the song. 0.98
01:34:33.000 That's a wise thing to tell people, man.
01:34:35.000 Be a professional.
01:34:36.000 Be a pro.
01:34:37.000 You can be a professional.
01:34:38.000 Decide you're a professional.
01:34:40.000 That's right. 1.00
01:34:40.000 Put in that fucking work. 1.00
01:34:41.000 That work does give you confidence. 1.00
01:34:43.000 And it works with fighting.
01:34:44.000 It works with comedy.
01:34:45.000 I'm sure it works with everything.
01:34:47.000 Yeah, man.
01:34:48.000 You gotta be pro-ficial.
01:34:49.000 You gotta be red D. Professional and official at the same time.
01:34:54.000 Pro-ficial.
01:34:54.000 What is the meditation that you do?
01:34:56.000 Just the self-awareness, you know what I mean?
01:34:59.000 Like the circular breathing, you know, and concentrating on that and in the moment and then, you know, just letting that...
01:35:10.000 Clear my head.
01:35:11.000 You know what I mean?
01:35:12.000 Just focusing on the breathing.
01:35:14.000 I mean, that's what they tell you pretty much in any meditation to focus on the breathing and all these things are going to come through your head.
01:35:20.000 But if you keep on focusing on that, you know, everything sort of goes away and you're reset.
01:35:28.000 So, you know, I'll do that when I feel maybe some sort of anxiety before going on.
01:35:34.000 If I don't feel that, I don't necessarily do the meditation.
01:35:37.000 We'll just do the prayer and that sort of sets it all in.
01:35:43.000 Some shows, man, I'll have to go in a room and just sit there and do the breathing.
01:35:50.000 And it helps. 0.99
01:35:51.000 People might think, what the fuck is that going to do? 0.98
01:35:54.000 It's going to reset your mind and give you some clarity. 0.98
01:35:57.000 For me, at least, that's what it did.
01:35:59.000 What's the biggest crowd you guys ever performed in front of?
01:36:03.000 I think the biggest was Woodstock 94, I think it was.
01:36:08.000 93, 94, and that was like 300 and 380 some odd thousand people.
01:36:14.000 That's so crazy!
01:36:16.000 Oh my god!
01:36:18.000 We've done some big ones.
01:36:19.000 That's a country!
01:36:20.000 That's a small European country.
01:36:22.000 We've done some at 100,000 people and 150,000 people.
01:36:28.000 Is there video of that, Jamie?
01:36:29.000 Oh my god, I gotta see this. 0.99
01:36:30.000 That's fucking insane! 0.99
01:36:33.000 That is insane! 0.99
01:36:35.000 I had just cut my hair right there.
01:36:37.000 I was like, you know...
01:36:40.000 Oh, my God.
01:36:41.000 See the little guy next to Muggs? 1.00
01:36:43.000 He was our miniature knockout guy.
01:36:48.000 He knew Jiu-Jitsu, Taekwondo, Shotokan.
01:36:51.000 He trained with my boy Kenji, and he was like our unofficial security.
01:36:57.000 Oh, that's hilarious, because unassuming, right?
01:36:59.000 Yeah, he's a little guy.
01:37:00.000 I mean, he even did a few MMA fights some years back. 1.00
01:37:04.000 Look at the size of that fucking crowd! 1.00
01:37:07.000 That is insane! 1.00
01:37:09.000 I almost lost my shit right here because, you know, seeing 300 and some odd thousand people jumping around to your shit, you know, it could give you some equilibrium problems. 1.00
01:37:20.000 I would imagine. 0.99
01:37:22.000 Because it looks like waves crashing into each other when it's that big.
01:37:27.000 I mean, that's got to be one of the biggest concerts ever that anybody's ever performed in front of.
01:37:31.000 In North America, for sure.
01:37:32.000 I mean, in all of human history.
01:37:34.000 Yeah, it was one of the biggest. 0.99
01:37:35.000 How the fuck? 0.97
01:37:35.000 I mean, how do you get more than 380,000 people together? 0.97
01:37:40.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
01:37:41.000 That's probably only happened a few times.
01:37:43.000 It's crazy.
01:37:44.000 I mean, every band they had on this particular bill was huge at the time.
01:37:49.000 So it was pretty crazy trying to just get there.
01:37:54.000 Some of us had to get in through boat.
01:37:56.000 Some of us had to get in through helicopter.
01:37:59.000 Why?
01:37:59.000 Because there's too many people?
01:38:00.000 Because they had started parking on the roads like the old school Woodstock.
01:38:04.000 Jesus Christ.
01:38:04.000 And they jammed up the highways and stuff like that.
01:38:07.000 They pretty much shut the shit down. 0.99
01:38:09.000 Oh! 0.99
01:38:10.000 And I went in through helicopter and some of the other guys went in through the boat.
01:38:14.000 Helicopter?
01:38:14.000 That's when you know you're on top of the world.
01:38:17.000 You're flying into a show in a fucking helicopter like Tom Segura. 0.99
01:38:20.000 That's when you realize why you can't never get away from the cops when they're in the helicopter. 1.00
01:38:25.000 They fucking see everything. 0.93
01:38:27.000 Well, that's a funny thing, man, when you watch those dudes that are trying to escape from the cops on the ground, and then you watch the cops in the helicopter, the spotlight just stays in the car the entire time. 0.99
01:38:35.000 Look at that aerial.
01:38:37.000 Yeah, and that's just a piece of it right there.
01:38:40.000 And they had a rotating stage.
01:38:42.000 That is insane. 1.00
01:38:42.000 What do you do when you have to take a shit? 1.00
01:38:45.000 Like how long does it take to get from the front row to the back if you have to take a shit? 1.00
01:38:48.000 I'll tell you, we walked around in that shit right there and it was super muddy and crazy and people were like butt naked with mud smeared all over their fucking bodies and it was like people went primal. 1.00
01:39:00.000 I swear to God. 1.00
01:39:02.000 There they go right there.
01:39:03.000 They were having mudslide parties.
01:39:06.000 Oh man, that looks awesome.
01:39:07.000 People made babies that day in their tent.
01:39:09.000 I'm sure they did.
01:39:10.000 For sure they did, yeah.
01:39:12.000 I'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now. 0.99
01:39:14.000 It was fucking crazy, man. 0.98
01:39:16.000 I gotta tell you, there was people out there totally hippied out, like straight up butt naked, and there was a good portion of them. 0.99
01:39:25.000 I mean, not in terms of the whole concert.
01:39:28.000 I mean, it was a small percentage, but you've seen just naked people walking around free out there. 0.99
01:39:33.000 It was crazy as fuck. 0.98
01:39:36.000 We're like, is this really happening? 1.00
01:39:40.000 Shit, man. 1.00
01:39:41.000 And then the mud was so thick, man. 1.00
01:39:43.000 It was the type where if you walked through it with your shoes and your shoes weren't tight or you weren't wearing boots, it was sucking the shoe right off of your foot.
01:39:51.000 It happened to me a number of times.
01:39:53.000 Hell, in that show, I jumped into the crowd because normally I would jump into the crowd and just be floating, stage dive style, but I would still be doing the song.
01:40:04.000 Right.
01:40:05.000 And on that particular show, they took my shoes and socks...
01:40:10.000 I got back on stage with no shoes and socks. 0.96
01:40:14.000 And about 15 years later, I had one guy with one shoe come to the show and fucking have me sign it. 0.94
01:40:22.000 And then the other shoe, some chick had it and had me sign it some years later. 0.97
01:40:29.000 So I caught up with both shoes.
01:40:30.000 What about the socks?
01:40:31.000 Didn't catch up with the socks.
01:40:33.000 Didn't catch up with the socks.
01:40:35.000 But the shoes, yeah, caught up with them.
01:40:37.000 Do they have a limited amount of tickets for Woodstock? 0.97
01:40:40.000 I mean, what the fuck do they do when you get that many people? 0.88
01:40:43.000 I think they probably started with some sort of limit and then it became chaos. 0.99
01:40:48.000 You know, like something they couldn't handle. 1.00
01:40:50.000 Imagine if you lived there and that shit descended upon yourself. 1.00
01:40:53.000 Oh, they were pissed off. 1.00
01:40:54.000 I know they were pissed off. 0.99
01:40:56.000 They had a break for like fucking 25 years. 0.99
01:40:58.000 They had a break. 0.98
01:40:59.000 They sold 164,000 tickets, but the crowd estimated size was 550,000. 0.99
01:41:04.000 Okay, well shit, I was too short then. 0.97
01:41:07.000 It's 200,000 short. 0.99
01:41:08.000 Oh my god!
01:41:09.000 Because the rest rushed the gate. 0.99
01:41:12.000 They took the fence and took it down and they just fucking rolled on in. 0.98
01:41:18.000 I would imagine, yeah. 0.97
01:41:20.000 Because when it's an event that everybody wants to get to, they're going to find a way to it.
01:41:25.000 And it's outside.
01:41:25.000 And it's outside.
01:41:27.000 With those numbers, man, you can't stop that number.
01:41:30.000 No.
01:41:31.000 It's a great part of their history.
01:41:34.000 That one was a good one where no one got hurt. 0.80
01:41:39.000 There was no crazy shit happening like the next one after that.
01:41:44.000 What happened to the next one? 0.99
01:41:46.000 Well, shit. 1.00
01:41:47.000 They had a bunch of women say that they had gotten raped or molested at the one the following year. 1.00
01:41:57.000 There was fires and shit at the end. 0.99
01:41:59.000 Yeah, and then there was fires. 0.99
01:42:00.000 There was a whole bunch of people lost their fucking mind at that one. 0.98
01:42:03.000 And they had some great bands, too. 0.98
01:42:06.000 They don't do that anymore, right?
01:42:08.000 Woodstock's done.
01:42:09.000 They're doing it in the summer.
01:42:10.000 They're doing it in the summer. 1.00
01:42:11.000 What are you doing, you fucking idiots? 1.00
01:42:13.000 Move! 1.00
01:42:14.000 Sell your house! 0.60
01:42:15.000 Yeah, do something.
01:42:16.000 Do something.
01:42:17.000 It's crazy, though.
01:42:18.000 This is the fires. 1.00
01:42:19.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99
01:42:20.000 They had bonfires. 1.00
01:42:21.000 Yeah, I believe when Limp Bizkit or Corn went on, it was either Limp Bizkit or Corn, and the fires just fucking started. 0.72
01:42:29.000 People were pissed too because they were charging so much for water and they couldn't get to the bathrooms like you were asking. 0.76
01:42:34.000 They didn't have the facilities set up as well. 0.98
01:42:36.000 Yeah, they didn't have adequate facilities for what the fuck was popping. 0.98
01:42:41.000 I mean, you know. 1.00
01:42:42.000 Jesus Christ, look at the fucking, what it looks like after it's over. 0.99
01:42:46.000 Listen, a thousand Andy Gumps for 500,000 people is not going to do it. 0.99
01:42:50.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:42:52.000 You need like 10,000.
01:42:54.000 Yeah, imagine being the dude who gets in there after 5,000.
01:42:57.000 I mean, look at that. 0.99
01:42:59.000 They totally took over the fucking highway right there. 1.00
01:43:02.000 That is crazy. 1.00
01:43:02.000 They shut down the fucking highway. 1.00
01:43:05.000 They just parked their cars. 1.00
01:43:06.000 Yeah, they made the highway the parking lot.
01:43:08.000 That is crazy.
01:43:08.000 Look at that.
01:43:09.000 At least it was kind of orderly.
01:43:12.000 Sort of.
01:43:13.000 Sort of.
01:43:14.000 I'll tell you this though, they were cold-blooded, the organizers, because... 0.99
01:43:19.000 These guys had some fucking moxie, I'll tell you that. 1.00
01:43:27.000 Hey listen, you know, after every band was done with their set, they expected you to leave right away because the next wave of bands was coming and they were getting your spot. 1.00
01:43:37.000 If you had a dressing room, once your set was done, you were expected to get the fuck out. 0.77
01:43:43.000 So you had a helicopter out of there? 0.70
01:43:45.000 Yeah, it was best if you did, because if you didn't take the ride when you were supposed to, you were getting stuck there. 0.53
01:43:52.000 They couldn't guarantee that they could give you the ride back to your shit after that, because they had all the other bands to think of, and they might not have room for you when they take the other bands. 0.50
01:44:03.000 It was like, yeah. 0.98
01:44:05.000 Look at that!
01:44:08.000 Yup.
01:44:10.000 Ah, yes.
01:44:11.000 Look, it looks like Pac-Man.
01:44:12.000 Oh, my God. 0.99
01:44:13.000 It looks like Pac-Man fucking eating the stage right there. 1.00
01:44:16.000 That's insane. 1.00
01:44:17.000 That picture is insane.
01:44:19.000 Yeah, that's the one I'll remember the most.
01:44:23.000 I mean, we've done some huge gigs, but that one by far.
01:44:27.000 Never have we played for another 500,000.
01:44:31.000 What does it sound like when 500,000 people scream?
01:44:35.000 Much like that Viking chant.
01:44:37.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha.
01:44:40.000 I mean, we had a small nation right there.
01:44:42.000 Yeah, for real.
01:44:44.000 Legitimately.
01:44:45.000 Like, when you leave there, and then you go do a regular gig afterwards, does it feel weird?
01:44:51.000 Yeah, well, it depends.
01:44:54.000 It takes some adjusting?
01:44:55.000 It does take some adjusting, you know, especially if the next gig isn't as hype as that. 0.99
01:45:00.000 You're like, fuck, we just came from Woodstock.
01:45:03.000 But fortunately, the smaller gigs that we had after that, you know, in terms of playing festivals, they were like, you know... 0.99
01:45:11.000 In between 30,000, 70,000, 100,000. 0.95
01:45:14.000 And we felt that that gave us such an experience that we can handle any fucking stage. 0.76
01:45:20.000 So it became easier for us to do festivals after that. 0.91
01:45:25.000 And the reaction that we would get at these festivals were smaller versions of what we did there.
01:45:32.000 And it was a great experience.
01:45:34.000 Because we had been doing a couple of European festivals before that.
01:45:38.000 So it sort of prepared us for that.
01:45:42.000 But we didn't... 0.99
01:45:43.000 I mean, the fucking numbers, we were definitely not prepared for it. 1.00
01:45:48.000 We're like, whoa, what the fuck? 1.00
01:45:49.000 That transcends reality. 0.99
01:45:51.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, we know that that's not our show.
01:45:56.000 They're not all there for us, you know, because it's a mixed bag, right? 1.00
01:45:59.000 A bunch of different artists, and you're winning over people, if anything.
01:46:04.000 You're there playing for your base of people that might have come to see you We're good to go.
01:46:24.000 It was like a big notch under the belt and a boost for our confidence knowing that we can get in front of anybody, play with anyone, and get that reaction.
01:46:35.000 I mean, because after that, we were getting booked on metal-driven festivals and stuff where we're the only hip-hop on it, but it's all straight-up metal.
01:46:44.000 Oh, wow.
01:46:58.000 We'd be in that mix playing those festivals with those guys and with hip hop music.
01:47:06.000 And, you know, the boost that it gave us in the confidence. 0.99
01:47:09.000 It was like, fuck that. 1.00
01:47:10.000 We can play with any of these motherfuckers. 1.00
01:47:12.000 It doesn't matter who it is. 0.99
01:47:13.000 And we went to those metal festivals with our hip-hop and got metal reaction.
01:47:20.000 Mosh pits, stage dives, everything.
01:47:23.000 And it felt good to be able to hang up there with Metallica.
01:47:28.000 I mean, yeah, what they do to a crowd is crazy. 0.81
01:47:32.000 But we realized that if we were playing on the same venue, going before them, in a festival form, we can fucking hang with anyone. 0.79
01:47:42.000 And that pretty much... 0.99
01:47:45.000 Put us over the top with doing festivals like, yeah, we're gonna fucking rule this shit. 0.98
01:47:49.000 People are gonna have to up their game when we're on that festival with them. 0.99
01:47:54.000 That's the way we took it.
01:47:55.000 I would imagine you couldn't sleep for days after that show.
01:47:58.000 The adrenaline was crazy.
01:48:00.000 I gotta tell you, the adrenaline was crazy. 0.99
01:48:02.000 Like when you're in the helicopter leaving, were you like, what the fuck just happened? 0.98
01:48:05.000 Yeah, we were tripping out, man. 0.99
01:48:07.000 I mean, we were like totally in awe of the response that we got and the You know, the enormity of the fucking crowd, man. 0.99
01:48:17.000 I mean, it was fucking huge. 0.96
01:48:19.000 It has to be a part of something that that... 0.96
01:48:21.000 I mean, that's like something that no one there is ever going to forget.
01:48:24.000 We took it for granted. 0.94
01:48:25.000 I've got to tell you, when we fucking... 0.98
01:48:27.000 Well, they want you to do... 0.98
01:48:28.000 Okay, we'll do Woodstock, whatever.
01:48:30.000 And when we got there... 0.98
01:48:33.000 That's when we saw just how fucking crazy it was. 0.98
01:48:36.000 Oh, this is you? 0.99
01:48:38.000 So they steal your shoes?
01:48:39.000 Yeah, they're going to start coming.
01:48:41.000 Watch.
01:48:42.000 I have to hold my shirt forward so that I don't get choked out.
01:48:46.000 And there goes the first shoe.
01:48:49.000 They're about to take that first one. 0.99
01:48:51.000 That is so ridiculous. 0.94
01:48:52.000 What were you thinking when they were taking your shoe? 1.00
01:48:54.000 I was like, oh fuck, there goes one shoe, there goes my white sock. 0.99
01:49:00.000 Yeah, there goes the other shoe. 1.00
01:49:02.000 That is so ridiculous. 1.00
01:49:03.000 And there is no fucking security that can stop 500,000 people. 1.00
01:49:08.000 Save all that shit. 1.00
01:49:10.000 You're at the mercy of the fans. 1.00
01:49:13.000 Somebody's going to grab from my sock pretty soon.
01:49:15.000 That is so wild.
01:49:16.000 They're just stealing socks. 1.00
01:49:18.000 Look at it.
01:49:18.000 It's still your pants.
01:49:19.000 Hey, listen.
01:49:20.000 You know, they tried. 1.00
01:49:22.000 Anybody grab your dick? 1.00
01:49:23.000 No, you know, they tried to grab the weed in my pocket. 1.00
01:49:26.000 Ah! 0.94
01:49:28.000 Because sometimes, you know, when your adrenaline is kicking, you're not really thinking, you know, what's in my pocket and shit like that. 0.99
01:49:34.000 But yeah, you know, throughout, I had chicks trying to grab my shit, for sure. 1.00
01:49:39.000 Of course. 1.00
01:49:40.000 For sure.
01:49:40.000 That was a little, you know, crazy for me, you know, but it is what it is.
01:49:45.000 If you're going to stand close, you know, shit like this happens, right? 0.99
01:49:49.000 Yeah, man. 0.99
01:49:50.000 I mean, if you're going to stage dive, you got to assume some weird shit is going to happen. 0.94
01:49:54.000 Yeah. 0.54
01:49:54.000 I mean, for me, you know, people were mostly respectful, you know, but they would go through my pockets to see if I had weed in one night. 0.54
01:50:02.000 Did they rabbit ear your pockets out?
01:50:03.000 Yeah, I did.
01:50:03.000 I had like an ounce of weed at one show, and I jumped in, and I totally forgot I had it in my pocket.
01:50:09.000 Boom. 1.00
01:50:10.000 Fucking took my goddamn weed. 1.00
01:50:12.000 I'm like, I hope you enjoyed that. 1.00
01:50:14.000 I bet they did extra.
01:50:15.000 I know they did.
01:50:16.000 While they were rolling that joint, this is Pete Reel's weed, man.
01:50:19.000 I know they did.
01:50:20.000 Straight from California. 1.00
01:50:21.000 This is the real shit. 1.00
01:50:22.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:50:24.000 Yeah.
01:50:24.000 California weed to this day still holds up.
01:50:26.000 Yeah.
01:50:27.000 I mean, you got some good Colorado weed.
01:50:28.000 There's some good weed all over the country, but most weed is just, it's like okay.
01:50:33.000 It's okay other places.
01:50:35.000 Yeah.
01:50:36.000 Colorado and California and then the rest is kind of, Seattle's got real good weed. 1.00
01:50:40.000 Seattle actually will blow your fucking mind. 0.99
01:50:42.000 They'll blow your mind. 1.00
01:50:42.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:50:43.000 I gotta say.
01:50:44.000 Oregon, they'll blow your mind.
01:50:45.000 People have stepped up.
01:50:46.000 They're still behind California, you know, in terms of how much good weed there is here.
01:50:53.000 Like, I mean, there's so much, you know, from north to south and in central Cal. 0.95
01:50:58.000 There's so many different strains that are fucking good, right? 0.54
01:51:02.000 You go to other places... 0.86
01:51:20.000 Some have caught up.
01:51:23.000 And some are still lagging a little bit behind, but I gotta tell you, man, this last trip I just had to Vancouver.
01:51:29.000 I was just there for 420. And they had some shit that California boys would be like, yo, this is fire right here. 0.99
01:51:42.000 They had animal cookies that were really good. 0.99
01:51:45.000 Wedding cake, which is a strain that's popular here in Cali via the Jungle Boys and Burner and stuff like that when they were working together on exotics. 0.95
01:51:58.000 And they also had this joint called Black Diamond and Tri-Octane.
01:52:03.000 And all of them, man, I gotta say all of them burned sweet.
01:52:07.000 They tasted good.
01:52:08.000 That white ash that people are looking for now, you know, people think, you know, when they see white ash, it's the purest.
01:52:18.000 Newsflash.
01:52:19.000 Even if it has a little bit of black ash, it's still, you know, there's still, you know, people clean, flush their roots.
01:52:27.000 You know what I mean?
01:52:27.000 It's just that Some of the nutrients, if you're using salts as your nutrients, you know, which most people are these days, your ash comes out white.
01:52:36.000 If you're using nutrients that are already pre-made, like an advanced nutrients and the others, sometimes, you know, you might have a little bit of black ash because some of the components into those nutrients.
01:52:48.000 Doesn't mean it's not clean.
01:52:50.000 It just looks prettier when it's white. 1.00
01:52:52.000 But anyway, these guys, their shit, all white ash. 1.00
01:52:56.000 The taste was fucking beautiful and the high was definitely there and I gotta say the guys in Vancouver man, they've stepped it up Well, they've been running weed through Vancouver for a long time. 1.00
01:53:08.000 Did you ever see that? 0.97
01:53:09.000 What was Adam Scourge's documentary?
01:53:11.000 He had the culture high and then before that there was another one the documentary that was all about uncovering We're good to go.
01:53:35.000 I mean, it's responsible for so many people being wealthy up there.
01:53:38.000 And now it's 100% legal throughout the entire country.
01:53:42.000 But back then in 2007, I was in that documentary.
01:53:45.000 That was 12 years ago.
01:53:47.000 It was just tolerated.
01:53:49.000 It was weirdly tolerated.
01:53:51.000 Where it wasn't legal, but they didn't ever arrest anybody for it.
01:53:55.000 But there was a lot of gangsters, a lot of hell's angels were involved.
01:53:58.000 A lot of dudes were selling weed, and they had...
01:54:05.000 Yeah, you know, it's still sort of, I mean, you know, listen, the black market's always going to be anywhere, especially right now that the taxes are so high to buy cannabis and to grow it and all that stuff.
01:54:19.000 Everything that involves it, it's pretty expensive right now.
01:54:22.000 So, They're encouraging organized crime.
01:54:24.000 Right.
01:54:24.000 In a certain way, yeah.
01:54:39.000 But, you know, it's always going to exist. 0.94
01:54:41.000 And, you know, we sort of went through the same thing when 215 came about here in California, where it was, you know, cops didn't know what the fuck to do when they caught you with it. 0.66
01:54:53.000 They didn't want to do anything. 0.99
01:54:55.000 Because they knew as well as we were, this shit is eventually going to be legal. 0.98
01:54:59.000 They don't want to be wasting their time in putting people in jail for cannabis because there's other people that need to be in jail for real, for real crimes. 0.97
01:55:10.000 But yeah, I think what's happening in Vancouver now is that Now that it's legal, yeah, people are still making money and they're still on top of the game, but it's harder to make the money right now.
01:55:25.000 Well, maybe not for Canada because it's federally legal, but you still got to jump through a number of hoops in terms of regulation and fines and fees and shit like that to operate there.
01:55:39.000 You know, and they're a little bit different than ours.
01:55:42.000 Obviously, we're not, ours isn't like federal yet.
01:55:46.000 But I mean, you know, from what they were saying is that like, you know, in a few years, all these companies will be making a whole lot of money right now.
01:55:55.000 They're making money, but it's basically about survival, getting past a certain level.
01:56:04.000 We're good to go.
01:56:19.000 Yeah, what do they do with it?
01:56:21.000 Can they use credit cards here?
01:56:23.000 They used to be able to.
01:56:25.000 Yeah, you can use credit cards, but realistically, if you're making money from cannabis in terms of if you're a cultivator or whatever, if you're a business entity in the cannabis world, they won't take your money if they know it's coming from the cannabis culture,
01:56:44.000 right?
01:56:45.000 Right.
01:56:45.000 But, you know, in the last two months, Forbes just put out a story about that the federal government is going to start allowing banks to allow banking in the cannabis sector.
01:56:59.000 It's not going anywhere.
01:57:00.000 They'd be crazy to not.
01:57:01.000 You're just leaving money on the table.
01:57:02.000 You're leaving a whole lot of money on the table.
01:57:04.000 California considers plan to encourage marijuana banking.
01:57:08.000 Yeah!
01:57:08.000 Yeah!
01:57:08.000 Yeah, and that just came out yesterday.
01:57:11.000 You know, the Forbes story came out like maybe last week or something, but this is, you know, one of the residuals of it is that, you know, in places like California that we had problems with banking, Yeah.
01:57:40.000 And, you know, obviously that ain't safe because you've got pirates out there still to this day trying to figure out, okay, where do they keep their money?
01:57:48.000 Because it's not in the bank.
01:57:49.000 Well, when I was in Colorado, when it first became legal, and they were having a real hard time, they couldn't use credit cards, it was all cash, and they just had spec ops guys everywhere.
01:57:58.000 Bulletproof vests, just covered with guns, just ready to rock at any moment's notice, and they were worried that they were going to get, you know, someone was going to try to take over the store and take all the money.
01:58:10.000 Yeah, I mean, there's still issues that they got to worry about moving into the future in terms of transportation, right?
01:58:17.000 Because throughout the history of doing any sort of business in terms of products going from one side of the nation to the other, trucks get hijacked a lot for electronics, for any sort of goods.
01:58:32.000 So, you know, when you're transporting cannabis from state to state, they're going to have to have that, you know, figured out, too, because there's, you know, people that are going to be trying to jack those trucks and hitting that into the black market.
01:58:44.000 You know what else is weird?
01:58:45.000 There's people that they post up on people's private land and start these grow centers.
01:58:52.000 They put up a garden in people's land.
01:58:54.000 I have a friend who works on a ranch in Central California, and they were doing this run. 0.99
01:59:01.000 They were checking gates and checking fences where the cattle are, and they found a fucking acre of weed. 0.99
01:59:07.000 They're like, what the fuck is this? 0.99
01:59:09.000 And there were some dudes there. 1.00
01:59:10.000 They had campgrounds set up and shit. 0.98
01:59:13.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:59:14.000 They were cartel dudes.
01:59:16.000 They just set up a spot.
01:59:17.000 Yeah, find a spot, set up. 0.99
01:59:19.000 They don't know who fucking owns it. 0.97
01:59:21.000 They get dropped off there, apparently. 0.99
01:59:23.000 I think...
01:59:24.000 If I remember the story, they got the guys, and the guys basically explained how it worked, that they get dropped off, and they leave them with seeds and this and that, and then new guys come in every couple weeks or a couple months, and they live there.
01:59:39.000 They just watch the weed until it grows to the point where they can cultivate it.
01:59:42.000 And then they move on after it's done.
01:59:44.000 But they do that all over the place.
01:59:45.000 Oh, yeah. 0.95
01:59:46.000 People find them in, like, state parks and forests and shit when they go hiking. 0.88
01:59:51.000 That's why it happens mostly up north and in central Cal. 0.90
01:59:54.000 Down here, we don't really...
01:59:55.000 I mean, the way they patrol the state parks is slightly different down here in the south. 1.00
02:00:00.000 They'll catch that shit, you know? 0.99
02:00:02.000 Yeah, I think that's why they did it at the ranch. 1.00
02:00:04.000 Because it was Tejon Ranch, which is like 270,000 acres.
02:00:08.000 It's a huge place.
02:00:09.000 I believe natives own that ranch, right?
02:00:14.000 Yeah, you can find, to this day, these stones where they ground up acorns, where they have a little pivot, like a hole, where they ground it up. 0.99
02:00:23.000 I took pictures of it and shit. 0.85
02:00:24.000 It's pretty cool. 0.98
02:00:24.000 Because you've got to think, that's probably a thousand years old. 0.98
02:00:27.000 Yeah.
02:00:28.000 Somebody was probably grinding acorns in there a thousand years ago.
02:00:30.000 A thousand years ago.
02:00:32.000 Yeah.
02:00:33.000 I've never been up north to Humboldt.
02:00:35.000 I've never been up to that area.
02:00:37.000 Oh man, it's unique.
02:00:40.000 There's a lot of nice flavors up there.
02:00:43.000 If you're into glass, a lot of good glass blowers out there.
02:00:47.000 That's a long-standing weed culture up there, right? 0.99
02:00:50.000 Oh yeah, I mean that shit is generational right there. 0.99
02:00:52.000 Yeah, it was like from the 70s you heard about Humboldt. 0.99
02:00:55.000 Yeah.
02:00:55.000 And I'll tell you, man, you know, as quiet as they've been in this cannabis culture, you know, you would think that that'd be one place that's like celebrated and whatnot.
02:01:06.000 But, I mean, they still are coming up with, you know, incredible flavors down there, you know, in terms of, you know, breeding certain strains and creating new strains.
02:01:19.000 Yeah.
02:01:19.000 And doing it outside, you know, like, as they call sun-grown or greenhouse, you know, which is not something we do here in the South.
02:01:30.000 In the South, we do hydro.
02:01:32.000 It's, you know, indoor.
02:01:34.000 Because we don't have the same type of... 0.98
02:01:37.000 Moisture and shit out there. 0.98
02:01:38.000 Well, we don't have the space neither. 0.99
02:01:40.000 You know, the forestage and the moisture.
02:01:43.000 And, you know, we have insects that would eat those outdoor crops if they're not in a greenhouse.
02:01:48.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
02:01:49.000 Like fruit worms and shit like that. 0.99
02:01:52.000 Up there, you know, up north after dark, you know, it gets cold. 0.99
02:01:56.000 So some of those insects can't live in that environment. 0.94
02:02:01.000 But in the south, it doesn't get as cold as it does up there.
02:02:04.000 So they can live here.
02:02:05.000 So, you know, if you're going to do a greenhouse here, it's got to be a greenhouse. 0.99
02:02:09.000 It can't just be outdoor exposed because they will get fucked with for sure. 0.97
02:02:14.000 Those photos that I've seen of that area, everything's so fucking green. 0.99
02:02:17.000 It's crazy. 0.90
02:02:18.000 It's like Seattle almost.
02:02:20.000 Yeah.
02:02:20.000 Yeah, it's awesome, man.
02:02:21.000 We were just there not too long ago playing a show up in Yorica. 0.99
02:02:24.000 Look at this fucking guy. 0.99
02:02:26.000 Look at that guy in the middle of this forest of weed. 1.00
02:02:29.000 Yeah, on a hillside, no less.
02:02:31.000 You know, it's not even a flat ground.
02:02:33.000 He's just, he got it going.
02:02:35.000 Yeah, that looks like he's just in the woods.
02:02:36.000 Yeah.
02:02:36.000 He just started growing it in the woods.
02:02:39.000 That's crazy.
02:02:40.000 Well, I bet it has a different feel to it, right?
02:02:42.000 Oh, yeah.
02:02:42.000 If it's out there with nature.
02:02:44.000 I mean, I don't want to get too hippy, too hippy-dippy, but I would think that something that lives in nature with all those other trees and shits, communicating with those trees.
02:02:53.000 Oh, yeah. 0.78
02:02:53.000 I would think so. 0.78
02:02:55.000 You probably get more of a natural feel for the weed.
02:02:58.000 Yeah, they're probably...
02:02:59.000 Look at that deer. 0.99
02:03:00.000 Damn, look at the weed plant. 1.00
02:03:02.000 It's like the fucking bushes. 1.00
02:03:04.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00
02:03:05.000 It's a California blacktail right there.
02:03:06.000 Columbia blacktail.
02:03:08.000 It's a big deer.
02:03:09.000 It is a big deer.
02:03:11.000 Probably eating the weed plants.
02:03:13.000 Probably. 0.99
02:03:13.000 It's probably healthy as fuck. 0.99
02:03:15.000 I mean, if he's eating the seeds and shit, you know? 1.00
02:03:17.000 Easy, yeah. 1.00
02:03:19.000 Probably fertilizing some of that shit out there. 0.99
02:03:21.000 For the longest time, we used to have to get, you know, I'm one of the owners of Onnit, and when we made hemp protein, we used to have to buy our shit from Canada. 1.00
02:03:28.000 It was so stupid. 1.00
02:03:29.000 I was like, this is so ridiculous. 1.00
02:03:31.000 You have to buy hemp from another country to bring into this country. 1.00
02:03:35.000 Stupid. 1.00
02:03:36.000 Well, that's going to change for sure. 1.00
02:03:38.000 Well, it's got to change.
02:03:39.000 I mean, for everything, for clothing, even building houses. 0.99
02:03:42.000 You ever see that hempcrete, that shit they make? 0.99
02:03:44.000 It's like hemp concrete. 1.00
02:03:46.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
02:03:47.000 It's lighter.
02:03:47.000 It's better.
02:03:48.000 It's got better insulation values.
02:03:49.000 It's harder to burn. 0.99
02:03:51.000 This is the type of shit that Jack Herrera was trying to tell people in Emperor Wears No Clothes. 1.00
02:03:57.000 Yeah, he really was. 0.99
02:03:58.000 All this stuff that we use today, hemp can be the alternative at a cheaper cost.
02:04:05.000 Including plastic.
02:04:06.000 Yeah.
02:04:07.000 Biodegradable plastic.
02:04:08.000 All these people that are worried about plastic bottles and everything, how bad they are for the environment.
02:04:12.000 Hemp bottles.
02:04:14.000 You could make plastic out of hemp and it would be biodegradable.
02:04:17.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:04:17.000 It sounds like horse shit. 1.00
02:04:19.000 There's so many things that you could do with weed that it sounds like you're making things up. 1.00
02:04:23.000 It sounds like you're making it up, but it's actual fact.
02:04:27.000 Yeah, and dude, over the last couple of months, I've been fucking around pretty heavily with CBD every day. 0.71
02:04:33.000 Oh, yeah.
02:04:33.000 I've been taking this.
02:04:35.000 It's a one-in-one.
02:04:36.000 It's 10 milligrams of CBD, 10 milligrams of THC. I take this.
02:04:40.000 That's the perfect fucking balance. 0.99
02:04:42.000 One in the afternoon? 0.99
02:04:43.000 Woo! 0.99
02:04:44.000 All day long. 1.00
02:04:45.000 All full of don't give a fuck juice. 1.00
02:04:47.000 There you go. 1.00
02:04:49.000 We all need that.
02:04:51.000 Yeah, man, it's awesome.
02:04:53.000 It's an interesting time.
02:04:55.000 Yeah.
02:04:55.000 You know, for someone who was, you know, you used to have to hide it before.
02:04:59.000 Yeah.
02:05:00.000 And, you know, that's the beauty of it now is that you don't have to hide it.
02:05:03.000 And people that used to, you know, you got people now that you never thought were smokers.
02:05:09.000 And, you know, now they're coming out and just being totally free with it.
02:05:13.000 And that's great, man.
02:05:14.000 You know, is that a hemp laptop? 0.99
02:05:17.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99
02:05:18.000 It might just be a cover, but yeah. 0.99
02:05:20.000 That's pretty cool.
02:05:21.000 But how could it be a cover if it's, like, the USB ports and everything like that?
02:05:24.000 They have those, like, skin covers.
02:05:26.000 It could just be a lookalike, but it looks like it is.
02:05:29.000 They should make it.
02:05:31.000 It's a miracle plant of our time.
02:05:33.000 It is.
02:05:34.000 I gotta agree.
02:05:35.000 It is.
02:05:36.000 It is. 1.00
02:05:36.000 Well, listen, brother, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00
02:05:38.000 I really appreciate you. 1.00
02:05:39.000 Thank you, brother.
02:05:40.000 Forever.
02:05:41.000 For a long time.
02:05:42.000 So it's cool to get in here.
02:05:43.000 And we're in a hotbox this week, too.
02:05:45.000 We're going to get in that smoke box.
02:05:47.000 People have been asking for you for a long time.
02:05:49.000 I'm in!
02:05:49.000 I'm in!
02:05:50.000 And I say this in some of the smoke boxes, because it's the realest shit. 0.99
02:05:56.000 We just had Mike Tyson in there. 0.99
02:05:59.000 How weird is it to smoke weed with Mike Tyson?
02:06:01.000 I've smoked with him before, and I've smoked with him on a couple separate occasions aside from there, but one of the places that I smoked with him was at that fucking Leota Machida Rashad Evans fight. 0.81
02:06:13.000 Oh, wow.
02:06:13.000 When we all left, you know, after the fight, we were sort of getting to our cars, and he ran into me and my partner Kenji, and we were smoking a fat one right there.
02:06:23.000 Be real!
02:06:25.000 Let me get ahead of that! 0.99
02:06:27.000 I was like, alright, fuck yeah, champ, here you go. 0.99
02:06:30.000 And, you know, we always knew he smoked out. 0.99
02:06:33.000 What was crazy about this interview, real quick, that I'll say it.
02:06:37.000 Because you asked me this in this interview.
02:06:39.000 Like, what did you do for the anxieties before? 0.99
02:06:41.000 Like, you know, let's say we're going to go on stage or do the shit, right? 0.99
02:06:44.000 So I asked him that similar question. 0.99
02:06:47.000 I said, you know, as artists, as athletes, before we're going to go do our thing in front of...
02:06:52.000 A mass amount of people.
02:06:54.000 You get this nervous energy.
02:06:55.000 What did you do to, you know, deal with that?
02:06:59.000 And he said, I used to get hypnotized before fights.
02:07:02.000 Yeah.
02:07:03.000 You know, and he was saying how he would, the guys that work with him would instill these certain words like calmness.
02:07:13.000 You know, that would be a reoccurring word that they would do in hypnotizing him before a fight.
02:07:19.000 So that he would always be calm in the fight and never fight desperate.
02:07:24.000 And always be in control of the situation no matter what happened.
02:07:28.000 And that's how he would, you know, get that nervous energy down and be able to fight with such focus.
02:07:36.000 But the other interesting thing he said was that he never fought.
02:07:39.000 I mean, he was smoking the whole time.
02:07:41.000 You know, he's a big weed head since he was like 10 years old apparently.
02:07:45.000 But he said that he was smoking, you know, but not necessarily when he was training. 0.97
02:07:50.000 They would give him pharmaceuticals when he was training, you know, shit that he wouldn't feel nothing, but he didn't have focus. 0.96
02:07:57.000 What kind of pharmaceuticals? 0.98
02:07:58.000 He said some of it was fentanyl, some Percocet, some...
02:08:02.000 Fentanyl wasn't even around back then.
02:08:04.000 Well, a form of it, you know, like whatever...
02:08:06.000 Yeah, it was an opiate that was whatever, the fentanyl of that time, whatever.
02:08:10.000 I can't remember what he called it, but there was two or three prescription drugs that they would give him, and he said he wouldn't feel nothing.
02:08:17.000 He felt good, like there's no pain, no nothing.
02:08:21.000 But the focus that he had was not there, right?
02:08:27.000 He said that he smoked weed in one fight.
02:08:30.000 Like, he smoked weed before one particular fight, and he used the whizinator to get through the urine test. 0.99
02:08:37.000 Somehow he fucking... 0.99
02:08:38.000 He says it in the interview. 0.99
02:08:40.000 And, you know, he said that the fight that he had where he was smoked out was with Andrew Gulotta.
02:08:46.000 Wow.
02:08:46.000 And he said he'd never had so much focus...
02:08:49.000 In a fight that it made him realize he should have been smoking weed through every goddamn fight because he focused on everything he was supposed to. 0.96
02:08:58.000 He said he broke his cheek. 0.98
02:09:00.000 He broke his cheek here.
02:09:02.000 He broke his orbital.
02:09:03.000 Yeah, he broke his orbital.
02:09:04.000 He broke a rib and part of his back with a body shot.
02:09:09.000 Jesus Christ.
02:09:09.000 And he said, you know, that was the fight.
02:09:11.000 That was the one and only fight that he smoked out beforehand.
02:09:16.000 And Andrew Gulotta got...
02:09:18.000 He got flatlined.
02:09:19.000 Andrew Gulotta left the ring. 1.00
02:09:20.000 He was like, fuck this. 1.00
02:09:22.000 And Andrew Gulotta had been through wars. 1.00
02:09:24.000 Oh, yeah, man.
02:09:25.000 Those Riddick Bowe fights were crazy.
02:09:26.000 The Riddick Bowe fights.
02:09:28.000 I mean, because Riddick Bowe was really good, you know, but he didn't hit like Mike.
02:09:32.000 No, no, no, no.
02:09:33.000 I don't think no one hit like Mike.
02:09:35.000 If you look at like some of his early training.
02:09:37.000 Crazy looks.
02:09:38.000 He was so crazy back then.
02:09:40.000 If you look at some of Mike's early training and his footwork, it's almost like, you know, almost like martial arts based.
02:09:47.000 The way that he attacked and then he shifts on his attack and his footwork.
02:09:53.000 That was Customato.
02:09:53.000 Customato was a master.
02:09:55.000 A master.
02:09:56.000 A master.
02:09:56.000 Yeah, it wasn't until he switched up and got rid of Kevin Rooney and, you know, where the destruction starts happening.
02:10:03.000 I think it was also his, you know, his life was just too crazy.
02:10:07.000 It was just too crazy.
02:10:08.000 No one can manage that from the time when he's 20. To, you know, by the time he retired, I mean, it was probably just a whirlwind of chaos.
02:10:17.000 And it's crazy, because he realizes that, like, looking back at it, and he says that he doesn't train anymore because it awakens a beast in him.
02:10:25.000 Yeah!
02:10:25.000 I know, he said that.
02:10:27.000 It made me nervous.
02:10:28.000 Right?
02:10:28.000 Because he said that to you, too, right?
02:10:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:10:31.000 Yeah, because I was watching, you know, your interview with him, and one of our guys that was in the backseat asked him, hey, do you ever train?
02:10:39.000 Do you ever, you know, he's like, Nah, I don't do that no more.
02:10:42.000 Yeah, he goes, every now and then, I get on the treadmill, and I do some running on the treadmill, but that's it.
02:10:46.000 I would imagine that if he got back in training, he'd get in shape real quick.
02:10:50.000 Oh, sure.
02:10:51.000 But, you know, it would awaken a beast.
02:10:53.000 Yeah, they're all like, you can't quit, you can't quit. 1.00
02:10:55.000 He's like, fuck you. 1.00
02:10:57.000 Fuck you. 1.00
02:10:57.000 In between rounds, he just got up and left. 1.00
02:10:59.000 He's like, I'm out.
02:10:59.000 He's like, push that guy away.
02:11:00.000 He's like, you're not feeling these punches.
02:11:02.000 He knew something was wrong.
02:11:03.000 Well, he knew his rib was broke.
02:11:05.000 Well, his eyeball was broke, too.
02:11:08.000 Look, they're trying to put the mouthpiece...
02:11:09.000 Hey, put it in!
02:11:10.000 It's Lou Duva.
02:11:11.000 Yeah, it's Lou Duva.
02:11:11.000 No, it's not Lou Duva.
02:11:13.000 No, it's not.
02:11:14.000 Who is that guy?
02:11:15.000 He looked like Lou Duva for a second. 1.00
02:11:17.000 Yeah, I mean, you could tell his fucking face is busted right there. 1.00
02:11:19.000 It did look fairly normal, but I'm sure it felt like shit. 0.99
02:11:23.000 You know, like, it doesn't swell up real bad until later. 0.94
02:11:26.000 Listen, if Andrew Gulotta, who's been in wars with Riddick Bowe and other fighters, he was no slouch. 0.99
02:11:35.000 If he's telling you, I've had enough of this shit, let him go. 0.99
02:11:39.000 It's over. 1.00
02:11:40.000 Because he knows.
02:11:42.000 Once they found out that his back was broken and his face was broken, they're probably like, oh, okay, sorry.
02:11:46.000 Yeah, I mean, think about that.
02:11:48.000 His corner guy was like trying to put his mouthpiece back in. 1.00
02:11:50.000 It's so stupid. 1.00
02:11:51.000 Once a guy doesn't want to fight, you can't make him fight more. 1.00
02:11:53.000 I mean, it's like he's already flipped that switch inside of his head.
02:11:57.000 You know what?
02:11:57.000 I told Mike that he didn't realize, this is the last thing because I know we both got to go, but I said, do you know that...
02:12:04.000 All the dudes you fought to get to that title, including the dudes that you took titles from, they all stopped fighting after you beat them.
02:12:14.000 None of them wanted to come back and get nothing.
02:12:17.000 They wanted no part of that heavyweight title after that.
02:12:20.000 He retired so many boxers.
02:12:22.000 Oh yeah, right?
02:12:23.000 He doesn't even realize that.
02:12:24.000 Bruce Seldon, Tony Tubbs, go down the line.
02:12:27.000 All of them.
02:12:28.000 He didn't retire Larry Holmes.
02:12:29.000 Larry Holmes wait until he went to jail and he's like, I'm gonna come back.
02:12:32.000 Yeah, that's the only guy.
02:12:33.000 Boat Crusher Smith.
02:12:36.000 Tyrell Biggs.
02:12:37.000 Tyrell Biggs.
02:12:38.000 He definitely retired Tyrell Biggs.
02:12:39.000 They were rivals at one point in time. 0.99
02:12:41.000 Yeah, he fucked Tyrell Biggs up pretty good. 0.99
02:12:43.000 Leon Spinks. 0.99
02:12:45.000 Michael.
02:12:46.000 Yeah, Michael.
02:12:46.000 He said, you know what?
02:12:47.000 I had this title too long.
02:12:49.000 That's a wrap.
02:12:50.000 Enough.
02:12:51.000 Check, please.
02:12:52.000 And he told me just like...
02:12:54.000 I think, you know what?
02:12:54.000 I didn't even realize that.
02:12:56.000 Yeah, man.
02:12:56.000 You know what?
02:12:57.000 He really did.
02:12:57.000 He retired a lot of people.
02:12:58.000 We all saw it.
02:12:59.000 He was a force in nature.
02:13:00.000 Yeah, and I told him, the other thing I told him real quick, too, was, you know, like, that explanation that he had on his documentary where he, as he's coming to the ring, he knew he had to fight one.
02:13:10.000 Yeah.
02:13:10.000 He could see it in their eyes, and then once he steps into the ring, he's a god.
02:13:14.000 They're done, right?
02:13:15.000 Yeah. 0.92
02:13:15.000 And I told him, you know, I was at that Bruce Seldon fight, and I saw exactly what you explained in Bruce Seldon, because Bruce Seldon was knocking fools out left and right. 0.92
02:13:28.000 He was like a really good heavyweight.
02:13:30.000 The minute he got in there with Mike, he fanboyed out, tasted that glove...
02:13:36.000 Didn't want no more.
02:13:37.000 Yeah, it was an experience.
02:13:38.000 It wasn't just that you were fighting a guy who knew how to fight, but you were fighting Mike Tyson.
02:13:43.000 Your idol.
02:13:44.000 He was this thing, this cultural phenomenon.
02:13:47.000 He was thought to be, at that time, everybody was thinking he's the greatest heavyweight of all time.
02:13:50.000 He's a destroyer.
02:13:51.000 No one had an answer for him.
02:13:53.000 No.
02:13:53.000 You know, Selden, he pretty much, you know, he was a fan.
02:13:57.000 That was his idol.
02:13:58.000 And he totally got rocked.
02:14:00.000 He was so huge at the time that when Buster Douglas beat him, even though I knew he beat him, I watched the fight afterwards.
02:14:06.000 I couldn't believe it.
02:14:07.000 I'm like, he's going to get up.
02:14:09.000 It was Bruce Seldon.
02:14:10.000 Look how Jack Bruce Seldon was.
02:14:12.000 Yeah, he's a big boy, man. 1.00
02:14:13.000 Good fucking tank. 1.00
02:14:14.000 Yeah, and he was knocking people out. 1.00
02:14:17.000 I mean, look, 29 knockouts.
02:14:18.000 And he was fighting good guys.
02:14:20.000 Oh, yeah.
02:14:20.000 He was the WBA heavyweight champion at the time.
02:14:22.000 Yeah, I mean, I followed his career, too.
02:14:24.000 You know what I mean?
02:14:25.000 And yeah, he totally fanboyed out on Mike, man.
02:14:27.000 Mike.
02:14:28.000 Well, look at the stare down.
02:14:29.000 You see him in the stare down, you're looking at that.
02:14:32.000 Yeah.
02:14:34.000 It's like, oh no, you made a tremendous mistake from getting here tonight.
02:14:38.000 Tremendous mistake, bro.
02:14:39.000 Look how much bigger Selden is, too.
02:14:42.000 He's a big boy, bro. 1.00
02:14:43.000 He wasn't taking none of that shit. 1.00
02:14:45.000 Tyson's footwork and his ability to close the distance and bobbing and weaving. 0.99
02:14:49.000 I mean, it was like there was nobody before him like that.
02:14:51.000 No, man.
02:14:51.000 There'll never be another guy like that.
02:14:53.000 He has a heavyweight.
02:14:54.000 He was just so fast, too.
02:14:56.000 Because realistically, the guys who trained him, they had a certain technique and nobody uses it.
02:15:02.000 Well, it was not just that.
02:15:03.000 It was what Mike talked about in the podcast about being hypnotized.
02:15:07.000 Yeah.
02:15:07.000 I mean, from the time he was a little boy.
02:15:09.000 And, you know, the fact that he had nothing before that. 1.00
02:15:12.000 Everything was, his life was shit. 1.00
02:15:14.000 It was all pain and suffering and poverty. 0.99
02:15:17.000 And then all of a sudden, some guy comes along and rescues him and takes him, teaches him out of box.
02:15:21.000 And then all of a sudden, he gets recognition and positive feedback.
02:15:24.000 And he felt like he was something special.
02:15:26.000 Boom. 0.99
02:15:27.000 He fucking hit that canvas hard. 1.00
02:15:30.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:15:30.000 He didn't want it. 0.99
02:15:32.000 We kind of forget sometimes what it was like watching those fights until you go back and watch them now.
02:15:37.000 I mean, there's amazing fighters right now, like Terrence Crawford who just won Saturday night.
02:15:43.000 Amazing, amazing boxers.
02:15:44.000 But what Mike was, he was something completely different.
02:15:49.000 He was something that transcended sports.
02:15:52.000 Everybody wanted to see him fight.
02:15:53.000 You know, if you believe in conspiracy theories, right?
02:15:56.000 True.
02:16:02.000 Hmm.
02:16:20.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00
02:16:41.000 What kind of shit? 1.00
02:16:42.000 Like, what do you mean? 1.00
02:16:43.000 Well, you know, the people that he had around him.
02:16:46.000 I mean, you know, Dodd King around him.
02:16:48.000 He took all his people that he trusted away from him, put different trainers in his corner, different people that were influencing him, and it just took him backwards, man.
02:17:00.000 And all the people that actually helped got him there. 0.99
02:17:03.000 We're fucking gone. 0.97
02:17:04.000 And those were the guys that was actually giving him guidance as to, you know, how to conduct yourself, be a man, and all that stuff. 0.99
02:17:11.000 And he got around the vultures, man.
02:17:13.000 And to me, I think Don King being Don King, he stood a chance to make more money with someone taking out the fight, you know, 11 to 12 rounds as opposed to one.
02:17:26.000 Well, he just, he gave Mike the worst deals ever, too.
02:17:30.000 Yeah.
02:17:30.000 I mean, the whole thing was terrible.
02:17:31.000 He stole money from them.
02:17:32.000 To this day, Mike hates them.
02:17:33.000 Yeah.
02:17:33.000 And it's all terrible.
02:17:35.000 Anyway.
02:17:36.000 Thank you, my man.
02:17:37.000 Thank you, brother.
02:17:37.000 I'll see you in a couple days.
02:17:38.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:17:39.000 Right on.
02:17:39.000 I'm looking forward to it.
02:17:40.000 Right on.
02:17:40.000 Bye, everybody.
02:17:42.000 Woo! 0.99