The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1326 - Maynard James Keenan

00:00:01.000 Three, two, one.

00:00:02.000 Ladies and gentlemen, my favorite farmer.

00:00:07.000 You're my favorite farmer.

00:00:09.000 I'm your favorite farmer.

00:00:10.000 Yeah, I don't know that many of them, but you're number one.

00:00:13.000 All right.

00:00:15.000 I have a feeling that I don't quite farm the things you would rather use.

00:00:20.000 What do you mean?

00:00:20.000 Like marijuana?

00:00:21.000 Is that what you're trying to say?

00:00:21.000 I wasn't going to say it, but if you're going to bring it up...

00:00:23.000 I love wine, dude. 0.99

00:00:25.000 You make fucking killer wine. 1.00

00:00:26.000 Okay. 1.00

00:00:27.000 I'm a fan of your wine.

00:00:28.000 Excellent.

00:00:28.000 There you go.

00:00:29.000 I've yet to try your food, but I want to.

00:00:31.000 I didn't even know what an Osteria was until I talked to you.

00:00:34.000 See?

00:00:35.000 I didn't know.

00:00:35.000 That use falcons to kill birds.

00:00:37.000 That fucking thing you sent me is dope as fuck. 1.00

00:00:40.000 So you have hired a person, a couple, that raises falcons to kill pigeons that are fucking with your food. 1.00

00:00:49.000 Starlings, sparrows, anything that's messing with the grapes. 0.98

00:00:52.000 They have these falcons come through.

00:00:54.000 And the thing is...

00:00:56.000 The collective birds in the area will have a memory of that.

00:00:59.000 So if you have this hawk come through the vineyard and they just pulverize and there's feathers everywhere, the community of birds kind of go, I don't think we should go this way.

00:01:11.000 We should go that way.

00:01:13.000 The cage with the feathers everywhere and then the pigeons on the other side is like, what?

00:01:18.000 Yeah, that's a snack.

00:01:19.000 I was in Venice recently, last week.

00:01:22.000 I'm still jet-lagged. 1.00

00:01:23.000 I'm completely fucked. 0.99

00:01:24.000 I haven't slept solid in five whole days. 1.00

00:01:27.000 My body does not know what's going on. 0.96

00:01:30.000 I'll go to sleep completely exhausted and I'll wake up two hours later feeling like shit and I can't go back to sleep. 0.96

00:01:35.000 But when I was in Venice, there was a guy with a falcon. 0.97

00:01:39.000 He had a falcon with him.

00:01:41.000 And I was like, why does this guy have a falcon? 1.00

00:01:43.000 And then the fucking pigeons come in like crazy. 0.99

00:01:45.000 And when the guy's there with the falcon, the pigeons just ghost. 1.00

00:01:49.000 They're gone.

00:01:49.000 They take off.

00:01:50.000 So this guy stands there by the dock in Venice as the gondoliers pull up.

00:01:54.000 And he's just got this falcon just sitting there so that the people can eat their food.

00:01:58.000 The pigeons are insanely aggressive. 0.98

00:02:01.000 It's a ridiculous place. 0.98

00:02:02.000 Until they see. 0.99

00:02:03.000 They see that falcon.

00:02:05.000 Done. 1.00

00:02:06.000 Fuck this. 1.00

00:02:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:07.000 You ever see videos online where the Mongols use eagles, golden eagles, to hunt for wolves?

00:02:15.000 Come on.

00:02:15.000 Dude, it's wild.

00:02:17.000 An eagle, which weighs like, what, 15, 20 pounds? 1.00

00:02:20.000 They fuck wolves up. 0.99

00:02:22.000 These wolves are just running for their life as death swarms down from the sky. 0.99

00:02:27.000 We were going to use the drone to get some footage of the falcons, and we're like, she's like, yeah, that's probably not a good idea.

00:02:36.000 And I'm like, yeah, because the blades, he goes, no, no, no, your drone, because the falcons will go full force into your drone and destroy it.

00:02:44.000 So whatever you paid for it, try getting your insurance company and going, hey, my drone broke.

00:02:49.000 What did you do?

00:02:51.000 Flew near a falcon.

00:02:52.000 They're going to go, yeah, good luck.

00:02:53.000 Well, perogen falcons, don't they go like 200 miles an hour?

00:02:57.000 They're the fastest animal on the planet.

00:02:59.000 Boom. 1.00

00:03:00.000 Fuck, what? 1.00

00:03:03.000 200 miles an hour? 1.00

00:03:04.000 Yeah, destroy your drone.

00:03:06.000 I mean, that doesn't even make sense.

00:03:07.000 Oh, this is the Mongol. 0.98

00:03:08.000 So look, these dudes run.

00:03:10.000 The wolves are running away. 1.00

00:03:12.000 The wolves know the fucking drill, too, man. 1.00

00:03:14.000 And this eagle just comes down and jacks the wolf. 1.00

00:03:17.000 And that's how they skin these wolves. 0.96

00:03:19.000 Look at that.

00:03:19.000 Two of them.

00:03:20.000 Boom! 0.99

00:03:21.000 Good God.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, they are death from the sky.

00:03:24.000 And these guys raise them.

00:03:26.000 And then they wear the wolf hat.

00:03:27.000 Yeah, they wool the skin, the furs, everything.

00:03:29.000 Right.

00:03:32.000 So that's it.

00:03:33.000 What are we talking about?

00:03:34.000 Whatever you want to talk about, fella.

00:03:35.000 I hear you got some news.

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:37.000 So I figured, I know there's a lot of, there's probably some Tool fans that will probably tune into this specifically to hear some news.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:44.000 So rather than being a dick and waiting until the end to tell them, we should probably tell them up front. 0.99

00:03:49.000 Are you, like, softening in your age? 0.99

00:03:51.000 No, not at all.

00:03:52.000 I just care about as long as things have taken for us because we're a very difficult band.

00:03:57.000 We're very stubborn and we're, you know, we're kind of ignorant to what goes on in the rest of the world.

00:04:02.000 And so people are like, you guys, come on, guys.

00:04:06.000 And, you know, I mean, to their credit, like, we did the whole Betamax thing didn't work for us and neither did Laserdisc.

00:04:12.000 So we have this new thing called digital media and streaming.

00:04:17.000 We're going to try it out.

00:04:18.000 You're going to stream your stuff?

00:04:19.000 It's a new thing.

00:04:21.000 Streaming, iTunes, Amazon.

00:04:21.000 So you can just get it?

00:04:23.000 Oh, like Spotify?

00:04:24.000 That kind of deal?

00:04:24.000 Yeah, you heard of it?

00:04:25.000 Yeah!

00:04:26.000 It's brand new.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, it works on your phone or something.

00:04:30.000 To us, it's brand new.

00:04:31.000 What are you doing with it?

00:04:32.000 We're going to put some songs on it.

00:04:34.000 Oh, so you can listen?

00:04:35.000 Yes.

00:04:35.000 When you're not even plugged in anything?

00:04:36.000 Correct.

00:04:37.000 Wow.

00:04:37.000 So here's what I'm going to do now.

00:04:39.000 Because by the time this actually airs, this will have already happened, but you're filming me doing it.

00:04:43.000 Right.

00:04:44.000 You're going to upload a tweet.

00:04:46.000 I'm going to do a thing.

00:04:47.000 Let everybody know.

00:04:48.000 I'm a tweaker.

00:04:49.000 Do you have it prepared and everything?

00:04:50.000 Not really.

00:04:51.000 So you're doing this because your fans, which are very rabid, you have rabid fans.

00:04:56.000 The Tool fans are particularly enthusiastic.

00:04:59.000 They're pretty aggressive.

00:05:02.000 Well, it's because you guys are awesome.

00:05:04.000 Thank you. 1.00

00:05:05.000 You fucked up. 0.99

00:05:05.000 Made an awesome band. 0.99

00:05:06.000 You got some radical fans.

00:05:08.000 Okay.

00:05:09.000 So when you release this podcast, the idea was that if you said it on the podcast without letting them know first.

00:05:18.000 Yeah.

00:05:18.000 They deserve to hear first.

00:05:20.000 They've been very patient with us.

00:05:21.000 Very patient.

00:05:22.000 So this Friday, August 2nd.

00:05:25.000 Dum-dum-dum. 0.93

00:05:27.000 The catalog.

00:05:29.000 The whole catalog.

00:05:31.000 The catalog goes up.

00:05:34.000 On Napster.

00:05:35.000 On Napster.

00:05:37.000 Are you familiar with Napster?

00:05:38.000 I've heard of it.

00:05:39.000 It's great.

00:05:40.000 That Lars guy's really upset about it.

00:05:41.000 Yes, you should talk to Lars about this.

00:05:43.000 He's got a whole thing.

00:05:44.000 He's going to try to figure out how to undermine them.

00:05:46.000 Yeah, he's going to stop it in his tracks.

00:05:47.000 Kettle goes up on all digital and streaming.

00:05:54.000 He's doing this on his phone right now as we're talking.

00:05:57.000 Streaming.

00:05:59.000 So up until this time, you never have had anything up and available?

00:06:04.000 No.

00:06:05.000 You're like, what's his name?

00:06:07.000 Garth Brooks?

00:06:07.000 Yeah, he doesn't have anything up either.

00:06:10.000 No comment.

00:06:12.000 Garth Brooks doesn't, he just wants his, but it's kind of like a good artistic choice.

00:06:18.000 He doesn't want his stuff to be broken up into songs.

00:06:20.000 He wants you to download or to buy his entire CD because he feels like there's a correct order for his songs.

00:06:28.000 Keith says that?

00:06:29.000 That's what he says.

00:06:30.000 Yeah.

00:06:31.000 We tried that before, and people were like, no, no, we want you to hear our whole album in sequence.

00:06:37.000 And people were like, like, you play them live?

00:06:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:42.000 We've never played our whole album straight start to finish.

00:06:45.000 But of course, I'm not the guy that said, no, no, we want you to hear it.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, because that would be an absolute lie.

00:06:52.000 Right.

00:06:54.000 Yeah, Garth Brooks has some weird things.

00:06:56.000 Of course, Garth Brooks is being currently harassed.

00:06:59.000 And away we go.

00:07:00.000 By Tom Segura.

00:07:01.000 So what's up?

00:07:02.000 There you go.

00:07:02.000 It's up there.

00:07:03.000 Beautiful.

00:07:03.000 It's out there in the ether.

00:07:04.000 It's out there in the ether.

00:07:06.000 So why have you guys not had anything on streaming up until this moment?

00:07:10.000 Yeah, no, I can't.

00:07:12.000 I love my brothers.

00:07:13.000 I'm just going to take the fifth on that one.

00:07:15.000 Okay, so there was some sort of internal discussion.

00:07:19.000 Or no discussion.

00:07:20.000 Or no discussion.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, just the typical tool time of like, what?

00:07:25.000 There was a meeting?

00:07:28.000 Well, again, this is what you get with great artists.

00:07:31.000 You don't get great artists who are also the best promoters.

00:07:35.000 Correct.

00:07:36.000 The ones who are the best promoters, usually they're not the best artists.

00:07:39.000 Here's also what we're going to do today.

00:07:42.000 You're doing another thing?

00:07:43.000 Is this like one of them late night things where you're selling knives?

00:07:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:45.000 Do you want a knife?

00:07:47.000 Because I sell them.

00:07:47.000 They also have some old stock in beta.

00:07:50.000 Samurai swords and shit. 1.00

00:07:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:07:52.000 No, I'm going to announce the name of the new album.

00:07:56.000 Ooh.

00:07:57.000 You like that?

00:07:58.000 Yeah, you're doing it on your phone first.

00:08:00.000 Fear of a Black Planet?

00:08:03.000 Fear of a Black Planet. 0.76

00:08:05.000 That sounds catchy.

00:08:07.000 Fear Inoculum. 0.99

00:08:09.000 That white guy spinning out an album called Fear of a Black Planet would fucking really go over well. 0.98

00:08:14.000 And yeah, that would be the least woke thing you could do in 2019. Yeah, Kyle Wichirani would buy the first copy. 0.98

00:08:19.000 Fear Inoculum is the name of the album.

00:08:22.000 Fear Inoculum.

00:08:24.000 Who'd you say would buy the first album?

00:08:26.000 I'm not going to say that again.

00:08:28.000 I didn't hear what you said.

00:08:29.000 I might have said Cowboy Cerrone.

00:08:31.000 Cowboy Cerrone?

00:08:32.000 Yeah.

00:08:33.000 Why would you say that?

00:08:33.000 I don't know, because he wears that cowboy hat, and I just assumed that...

00:08:36.000 He's got a lot of black friends.

00:08:37.000 Does he? 0.97

00:08:38.000 You're out of line.

00:08:38.000 I'm totally out of line.

00:08:39.000 He trains with all these black guys. 0.97

00:08:40.000 So now he's going to be mad at me. 0.98

00:08:41.000 Now I've got to apologize to him.

00:08:42.000 He'll think you're joking.

00:08:43.000 He probably won't hear this.

00:08:44.000 He's probably too busy jumping a jet ski over a bridge.

00:08:47.000 I'm just jello of his hat, so...

00:08:50.000 August 30th.

00:08:51.000 You can get one of them hats.

00:08:51.000 You got some money.

00:08:52.000 You got a hat of your own.

00:08:53.000 Yes, I do.

00:08:54.000 It's like a Sinatra hat. 0.90

00:08:56.000 If you weren't so cool, that would be a douchebag hat. 0.99

00:08:58.000 That's some Breaking Bad shit right there. 0.99

00:09:00.000 I like it. 0.99

00:09:00.000 You like that? 0.99

00:09:01.000 I like it on you.

00:09:02.000 I like it on you.

00:09:03.000 It looks good on you.

00:09:04.000 It does.

00:09:05.000 There's things that people...

00:09:05.000 You could pull off one of those buckskin pioneer jackets with the fray.

00:09:14.000 What is that stuff called?

00:09:15.000 The tassels that hang down from the sides of the jackets?

00:09:18.000 And away we go.

00:09:19.000 You put it on Instagram as well.

00:09:21.000 I just put it on Instagram first.

00:09:22.000 We'll get it on Twitter in a minute because I've got more important things to talk about. 0.99

00:09:26.000 Now people will shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:09:27.000 They'll leave you alone. 0.99

00:09:28.000 I like that little setup too that you got there with the laptop slash iPad.

00:09:33.000 I didn't know that they made that kind of a case that doubles as a keyboard.

00:09:36.000 Yeah, that's great.

00:09:37.000 Look at you.

00:09:39.000 Farmers with technology.

00:09:41.000 Right.

00:09:42.000 Beep, beep, boop, beep, beep, beep.

00:09:44.000 So how's the wine business?

00:09:45.000 It's good.

00:09:46.000 We're a little late this year.

00:09:48.000 Things are about two weeks behind.

00:09:50.000 So I wanted to ask you this because this is something that, like a lot of people that are dealing with in the Arizona area, you guys had a lot of rain, right?

00:09:59.000 Yeah, so I know like hunters and people that are like into the wildlife and everything that are really Excited about this fall because there's so much moisture.

00:10:08.000 It's like the animal populations be very healthy Yes, and I mean it's you know with anything there's there's always gonna be both sides with with extra rain in the spring comes extra foliage extra ground cover extra grass Right,

00:10:23.000 and they fuck with the root systems?

00:10:25.000 No, then there's extra fires. 0.92

00:10:28.000 Because then when the rain dries up, you have all this extra fuel.

00:10:32.000 So fires, there's probably going to be a pretty intense fire season.

00:10:36.000 I've been evacuated three times.

00:10:38.000 I got evacuated in October.

00:10:40.000 It came real close.

00:10:41.000 Burnt three houses right in front of us.

00:10:42.000 We were in the epicenter of that Woosley fire.

00:10:46.000 Oh, God.

00:10:47.000 Yeah.

00:10:47.000 It was pretty crazy.

00:10:49.000 But, you know, it sucks and it's terrible, but if you live through it, the thing that it lets you know is you're not your shit. 1.00

00:10:58.000 You're not your stuff. 1.00

00:10:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:00.000 Absolutely.

00:11:00.000 When we left...

00:11:02.000 You know, we had to wake our kids up at two o'clock in the morning and I said to my wife, I'm like, you know, so we're fine. 0.99

00:11:08.000 I'm just grabbing my laptop and some fucking underwear. 0.99

00:11:11.000 You know, you go to a store and buy new pants. 1.00

00:11:13.000 I'm like, if you lose all your stuff, you're alive.

00:11:16.000 The only thing I know, I make sure I know where it's at is the photo album.

00:11:20.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 Photos that I haven't scanned or whatever.

00:11:22.000 Right.

00:11:22.000 On my cloud or whatever.

00:11:24.000 Got the photo album and the dogs and then remember to grab the family.

00:11:27.000 Yeah, remember that.

00:11:28.000 That's important.

00:11:30.000 But yeah, it's like natural.

00:11:32.000 There's something crazy, but that's one of the things that I really do miss about living on the East Coast with horrible winters, is that there's something comforting in the brutal force of nature that just forces you to recognize that you are helpless.

00:11:46.000 You're helpless to the blizzard.

00:11:48.000 Yeah, Michigan.

00:11:49.000 I remember, you know, the drifts on the side of the road. 1.00

00:11:52.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:11:53.000 Five feet, ten feet. 1.00

00:11:54.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:11:55.000 You still make your way to school.

00:11:57.000 You get there.

00:11:58.000 You get there. 0.82

00:11:58.000 But there's something about people are so fucking cool when it's really snowy. 0.82

00:12:04.000 Like, everybody's more humble. 1.00

00:12:05.000 They're like, oh shit. 1.00

00:12:06.000 It's like it puts you in your place. 1.00

00:12:08.000 Yeah.

00:12:08.000 It's good.

00:12:09.000 Yes.

00:12:11.000 We...

00:12:13.000 We talked a while ago.

00:12:15.000 I was talking about this idea of this sit-down.

00:12:21.000 Remember I kind of talked about that a little bit?

00:12:23.000 Trying to figure out how to do this.

00:12:25.000 And of course, I'm so busy.

00:12:27.000 Everything that...

00:12:29.000 With what I got going on.

00:12:30.000 I would never be able to pull this off.

00:12:32.000 I would never be like, hey, I'm going to be the executive producer on this idea that I had.

00:12:35.000 Right.

00:12:36.000 So I thought this might be a good forum to go, hey, you and I tee ball it up to go, somebody run with this.

00:12:44.000 Because I think it's something that needs to happen.

00:12:47.000 And we can take about five minutes to riff on...

00:12:50.000 What it shouldn't be.

00:12:52.000 Okay.

00:12:53.000 Right?

00:12:53.000 Because I think that's really – that's kind of what it comes down to is trying to make sure that we're not – it just doesn't turn into some other clickbait reality TV show.

00:13:02.000 Right.

00:13:02.000 Right?

00:13:02.000 Because that's not really the point of it.

00:13:04.000 So what are you thinking?

00:13:05.000 Okay.

00:13:05.000 Well – You and I were discussing, there's like all this stuff going on in the world.

00:13:09.000 Everybody's divided and freaking out and going down the dopamine rabbit hole of clickbait, and we can talk about that.

00:13:19.000 I feel like the polarization of everybody, everybody has a position.

00:13:23.000 They're taking up this stance and this cause.

00:13:27.000 And I get that.

00:13:28.000 To feel connected, to feel like you're part of a movement for injustice or whatever, I completely get that you need to do that.

00:13:37.000 But I think at some point when you start fighting with your neighbor, you start to kind of lose connection.

00:13:44.000 And I think these things, man, these are just, they're a poison in terms of Dividing people and forgetting they have these conversations openly.

00:13:54.000 So the concept, we're going to lay it out.

00:13:58.000 The idea is that we find six different people from completely different backgrounds that have a very strong feeling about something that they feel strongly about, just something, whatever it is.

00:14:12.000 And we get them on camera.

00:14:14.000 Or in writing, whatever.

00:14:16.000 They state their position.

00:14:18.000 And the idea is to get these people together with each other and not talk about what they don't agree on.

00:14:27.000 Find the things they agree on.

00:14:30.000 And just build on the things they can agree on.

00:14:34.000 And then at the end of it, we go back and make sure we re-interview them.

00:14:38.000 And the way that they went into the thing, whatever their statement was about who they are, doesn't change.

00:14:45.000 They believe what they believe, but in that, without compromising the core of who they are, they end up finding in somebody else An agree to disagree position where they can actually talk to each other and find out what they do like.

00:14:59.000 I feel like one-on-one in person with no one around people are much more likely to have those things.

00:15:06.000 The real problem is when it's being projected to the world and you're looking for likes and you're looking for people to agree you're looking for support and that's one of the really toxic things about the phones and social media and Is that everybody's playing for likes and the virtue signaling and throwing up the flag of righteousness.

00:15:26.000 It's so common.

00:15:27.000 And I was talking to a friend of mine.

00:15:28.000 She's working with a young woman doing a research paper on the very thing.

00:15:33.000 And she kind of handed me some research that I kind of suspected.

00:15:38.000 And I was like, what about this, this, and this?

00:15:42.000 Not off topic, but kind of on topic.

00:15:45.000 The purpose when OxyContin first came out was that they discovered in that drug something that interrupted and helped fix people who were meth, heroin addicts.

00:15:58.000 It was helping them get sober and getting off.

00:16:03.000 Yeah.

00:16:18.000 Unless you cut your hands off, you're going to take another one.

00:16:21.000 So you just replace the heroin with another thing that's like the dopamine dump. 0.88

00:16:28.000 And this is, they're now finding that that whole process of likes and validating or not validating, then you get depressed because nobody likes your post and you're constantly looking like a rat.

00:16:44.000 Basically the analogy of the rat in the Yeah.

00:17:07.000 To the charge you get on that and the fact that it's fed by adjusted titles, whatever the headline is, if that's not getting it, they adjust the headline to see if it gets you now, and then you click on it, go, that's the one,

00:17:22.000 and then they adjust that one, and it's the rat hitting the cooking button.

00:17:27.000 Well, I'm glad you used that analogy, because one of the things they found out about that, because some biologists didn't like the, they didn't jive with them, the rats with the cocaine.

00:17:36.000 So then they thought about the environment that the rats lived in, and they said, well, let's look at this environment, because these rats are in a cage.

00:17:42.000 This is a very unnatural environment, there's lights on, there's people staring at them.

00:17:46.000 So instead, they put rats in a very rat-like environment, woody and grass and trees, and in a natural rat world.

00:17:54.000 Guess what? 0.98

00:17:55.000 Rats didn't fuck with the coke. 1.00

00:17:56.000 They left it alone. 1.00

00:17:57.000 Right.

00:17:58.000 They only hit the coke when they were just destroyed, like their life was turned upside down, and they're living in this completely unnatural environment.

00:18:06.000 They're living in prison.

00:18:07.000 So when you're in prison, you'll do the coke.

00:18:09.000 But when they were in a very natural world, they didn't find it attractive at all.

00:18:15.000 Okay, so on that note, I would suggest I just...

00:18:19.000 The people will help now have read those things that I put up about the new album and everything so I'm gonna request I'm gonna beg People who have seen it now.

00:18:28.000 I'm not sure where this is going live.

00:18:29.000 It's just going you know tonight.

00:18:31.000 It's gonna go a couple hours tomorrow. 0.99

00:18:32.000 Okay, great I'm gonna beg as a favor to you and to me For people who read that news and are excited about that news to do us all a favor and Turn your fucking phone off. 1.00

00:18:44.000 Turn your computer off. 0.99

00:18:45.000 Turn your TV off.

00:18:47.000 Go for a long walk.

00:18:49.000 Just go for a long walk somewhere.

00:18:51.000 Even if it's in the mall or whatever.

00:18:53.000 Just go somewhere else.

00:18:55.000 Go out.

00:18:58.000 Go talk to a stranger.

00:19:02.000 And just find out something about them.

00:19:05.000 No matter what it is.

00:19:06.000 Just go talk to somebody.

00:19:07.000 Just go out of your house and go have a conversation with somebody. 0.99

00:19:10.000 You're going to get people stabbed. 0.99

00:19:11.000 Yeah, probably. 1.00

00:19:12.000 Go talk to a stranger.

00:19:14.000 Unless they have a knife.

00:19:15.000 And do not talk to them because they have a knife.

00:19:19.000 Does that cover the lawyers, if I say that?

00:19:21.000 Do not approach violent, unstable people.

00:19:24.000 Don't do anything dangerous?

00:19:25.000 Yeah, don't do anything dangerous, but just go out.

00:19:28.000 Just go out for a walk.

00:19:30.000 You have a family.

00:19:31.000 You have young ones.

00:19:33.000 How do you approach that with the kids?

00:19:36.000 You can see the fight and the fury and the crazy meltdowns that we have with our five-year-old.

00:19:46.000 Right.

00:19:49.000 Right.

00:19:53.000 Right.

00:20:04.000 The stuff on the other end of this thing doesn't care about you.

00:20:06.000 We care about you.

00:20:07.000 Is she playing games?

00:20:08.000 Let's go get the ducks. 0.99

00:20:10.000 And we'll go get the ducks.

00:20:12.000 And then within five minutes, she's forgotten about the iPad.

00:20:15.000 Because she's playing with ducks. 0.79

00:20:16.000 And she's playing with ducks! 1.00

00:20:17.000 Right.

00:20:18.000 We're in the aviary with the finches and we're out checking the wine, we're checking the ferments.

00:20:22.000 Or she comes down while we're trying to record music and she's like sitting on the bed listening to what we're doing.

00:20:27.000 She's involved in doing things and she forgets about this.

00:20:31.000 And you can't forget about this.

00:20:32.000 I'm telling you, you can do it.

00:20:34.000 Yes, you can do it.

00:20:35.000 I use it for business, but I got caught up for a while there.

00:20:40.000 I would find a video game on my phone.

00:20:42.000 I'm going to play this video game. 0.99

00:20:43.000 I know I've spent like 500 bucks in the in-app purchases and shit. 0.80

00:20:48.000 Wait a minute, I'm doing the exact same things that I did when I first started the game. 0.64

00:20:52.000 It's no different.

00:20:53.000 I just need better armor.

00:20:55.000 I've got to buy the armor.

00:20:56.000 Those in-app purchases are the devil.

00:20:58.000 Yeah.

00:20:59.000 So I delete those things.

00:21:01.000 You just get caught up in it.

00:21:02.000 You can't...

00:21:03.000 It's something you don't...

00:21:04.000 People don't realize how...

00:21:07.000 You've probably heard it with a bunch of people in here saying the same thing.

00:21:10.000 It's rewiring the way that we think and the way we behave.

00:21:14.000 Yes.

00:21:15.000 And the only way to undo that and get away from it is to literally turn it off or unplug.

00:21:21.000 Just walk away.

00:21:22.000 Go do something.

00:21:23.000 Well, I know so many people that have switched to flip phones.

00:21:27.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 A bunch of them.

00:21:30.000 Drug dealers?

00:21:32.000 No!

00:21:32.000 Joe?

00:21:33.000 Comics, mostly.

00:21:34.000 They have a flip phone to make calls so someone can reach them.

00:21:38.000 So drug dealers?

00:21:39.000 No!

00:21:42.000 And then they keep like a computer for the other stuff or an iPad.

00:21:47.000 Like Ari, my friend Ari, you can call him on his flip phone.

00:21:51.000 He'll talk to you. 0.96

00:21:53.000 But if you text him, you're making him do that fucking thumb thing that we used to have to do. 1.00

00:21:57.000 He hates you. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Four times to get an ass. 1.00

00:21:59.000 You end up being a part of a bit. 1.00

00:22:00.000 Yeah, you're a nightmare.

00:22:03.000 And so he doesn't have any apps. 0.96

00:22:05.000 There's none of that. 0.97

00:22:06.000 But he'll do like Instagram and Twitter and shit on his iPad. 0.99

00:22:10.000 Okay. 0.99

00:22:11.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 That makes sense.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, that's the only way he does it.

00:22:13.000 Yeah.

00:22:14.000 That makes sense.

00:22:14.000 It does make sense.

00:22:15.000 It's like for him, too.

00:22:16.000 He just recognizes that he can't.

00:22:19.000 If he starts getting on it, he'll be on it for seven, eight hours, and he'll be furious at himself. 0.99

00:22:24.000 Like, what the fuck have I done? 0.98

00:22:25.000 I've done the same thing. 0.99

00:22:26.000 Even though I've got three bands and three wineries and a restaurant and all those things, I still waste...

00:22:32.000 I end up wasting time on these things, and I could get more done if I didn't have these things in my way.

00:22:38.000 Do you read comments?

00:22:39.000 I try not to, yeah.

00:22:41.000 Well, just because people are just, you know, they need to have a voice and they need to be identified and there are a lot of mean-spirited things out there.

00:22:50.000 And I feel like the world we're living in right now, there's so much back and forth and there's so much posturing and there's so much disconnected, disconnected, disconnected behavior that we really just need people to...

00:23:05.000 Reconnect with their loved ones, especially in your community.

00:23:08.000 Because as things are progressing in the world, the population and climate change, which I believe there's some stuff coming, you need to connect with people.

00:23:17.000 You really need to figure things out. 0.99

00:23:18.000 Do you think the shit's gonna hit the fan? 1.00

00:23:19.000 Yeah, I do. 1.00

00:23:20.000 Ooh.

00:23:21.000 Yeah.

00:23:21.000 When?

00:23:22.000 How much time do we have?

00:23:22.000 Where should we go?

00:23:23.000 Well, I thought you had some connections with these things, too.

00:23:25.000 I'm going to go north.

00:23:26.000 Okay.

00:23:27.000 I'm going to go to some wooded area.

00:23:28.000 All right.

00:23:28.000 Well, you'll be fine.

00:23:29.000 I think the move is...

00:23:31.000 I don't think it's going to happen right now.

00:23:32.000 No.

00:23:32.000 I think, you know, based on some of the things that I've kind of seen online and...

00:23:36.000 You know, the chit-chat and overhearing conversations with people that are, you know, part of NASA and those kind of things.

00:23:43.000 And they kind of go, we've got 400 years and the planet's done.

00:23:47.000 Whoa.

00:23:48.000 400 years?

00:23:49.000 Yeah.

00:23:49.000 So, if you think, you know, for me, I plan, right?

00:23:54.000 A planner.

00:23:56.000 That means that if it's, you know, if we're not here in 400 years, when does that start?

00:24:01.000 Well, that started yesterday, really.

00:24:03.000 I mean, when you think about it, there's...

00:24:15.000 Well, another thing to think is, we have only been human for a quarter million, 350,000 years, whatever it is.

00:24:25.000 There's going to be something next.

00:24:27.000 Yeah.

00:24:27.000 You know, whatever it is, it's coming.

00:24:29.000 Right.

00:24:29.000 It's going to be something that can survive the heat.

00:24:31.000 So if this stuff can figure out how to cool itself, it'll become...

00:24:35.000 Set Ace Freely in the back of your phone.

00:24:36.000 It may be.

00:24:38.000 Star child.

00:24:39.000 I met Ace Freely when I was seven years old.

00:24:43.000 He's a completely stable guy.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:49.000 Who thinks the world's going to end in 400 years? 1.00

00:24:51.000 I'm such an idiot. 1.00

00:24:52.000 Why did I say that out loud? 1.00

00:24:53.000 I don't think that's a bad thing.

00:24:55.000 I don't think the world's going to end, but I think it's very likely that human beings will be drastically diminished.

00:25:00.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:25:00.000 And I feel like that's – I guess I should back up.

00:25:03.000 That's my point.

00:25:04.000 The thing that we just are so arrogant about is that we're somehow included in the future.

00:25:09.000 We're just not included.

00:25:09.000 We're not included.

00:25:11.000 Well, we've only been here for, again, 300-whatever-thousand years.

00:25:14.000 That's not that long.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:16.000 You know?

00:25:16.000 I mean, even Neanderthals, half a million years before us.

00:25:20.000 Right.

00:25:21.000 So going back to now, though, and us getting along now and surviving better over the next little bit, going back to our, like, the people talking to each other.

00:25:31.000 Yeah.

00:25:31.000 How do we, you know...

00:25:33.000 How do we tee this up so we can take it and not ruin it with a reality TV show?

00:25:38.000 Because every reality TV show you see, it's been manipulated.

00:25:43.000 They'll poke the person that they know is going to blow up at some point so that it causes drama and again the dopamine dump and everybody says, oh my god!

00:25:51.000 Yeah, they're basically doing clickbait in terms of how they're programming the television show.

00:25:54.000 Right.

00:25:54.000 So how do we make this so that it's not an opportunity to make a buck and to do that like...

00:26:01.000 A genuine healing moment.

00:26:04.000 It can be done.

00:26:05.000 I think it's got to be done online, and it's got to be done with no one involved other than you and whoever you want to be involved.

00:26:13.000 I mean, that doesn't even have to be you, but whoever the person is.

00:26:19.000 Right.

00:26:21.000 Facilitates this.

00:26:22.000 But you just can't have any producers, you can't have anybody with a vested interest in its success.

00:26:28.000 Okay.

00:26:28.000 It has to be done just purely for the idea, purely for the exercise of getting people to communicate that have disagreements, and realizing that so much of, you know, people dig their heels in the sand, and they want to be right more than they want to get along.

00:26:45.000 Right.

00:26:48.000 And be harmonious with each other.

00:26:49.000 Right.

00:26:50.000 I feel like that's...

00:26:52.000 Look, I acknowledge that there's monsters in the world. 1.00

00:26:56.000 There's fucking monsters. 1.00

00:26:57.000 They're in us. 1.00

00:26:59.000 We have our own monsters inside of us.

00:27:01.000 There's other monsters that have been nurtured over years to hate each other or hate somebody else, whatever.

00:27:06.000 There's that nurturing, you know, nature versus nurture monster.

00:27:10.000 I get that.

00:27:11.000 I'm talking about the people that you can figure out a way to, like, let's just, let's figure this out.

00:27:15.000 Most of us.

00:27:16.000 Yes, most of us can figure out a way to get along.

00:27:18.000 And most of us can go south, too.

00:27:19.000 Most of us in the wrong environment, with the wrong people, and the wrong feelings, and the wrong drugs, and the wrong jobs, and the wrong community.

00:27:27.000 We could be horrific neighbors.

00:27:29.000 Hitting the Coke button.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 Or we could be a part of a community. 0.99

00:27:34.000 And I just think that we're not designed for this iPhone fucking world. 0.98

00:27:39.000 We're not designed for it. 0.98

00:27:40.000 And this getting likes and arguing politics on Twitter...

00:27:46.000 For 16 hours a day.

00:27:47.000 There's a few people that I follow on Twitter that I only follow them to see how toxic social media is to their life.

00:27:55.000 I go and I look at their feed.

00:27:58.000 And I mean, I know what they're doing.

00:27:59.000 They're just fighting with people all the time.

00:28:01.000 But I'll look at it and I'm like, Jesus Christ, this guy started at 7.30 in the morning and at 9.30 at night he's still going.

00:28:07.000 And he's posting every 14 minutes.

00:28:09.000 And he's probably reading in between that.

00:28:11.000 So his entire day is comprised of debating, you know...

00:28:17.000 AOC's value and merits versus Trump and versus this and that and whether or not Elizabeth Warren's Native American.

00:28:24.000 It's like chaos.

00:28:26.000 It's just chaos.

00:28:29.000 He's got his name on buildings.

00:28:32.000 Oh! 0.60

00:28:34.000 He's the politician.

00:28:36.000 He's not really a politician.

00:28:38.000 He's training the swamp.

00:28:39.000 Do you know what the swamp is?

00:28:40.000 I'm not a big fan of politicians.

00:28:41.000 Me neither.

00:28:42.000 He's an anti-politician, though.

00:28:43.000 You might like him.

00:28:44.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:45.000 But is he in politics?

00:28:47.000 Well, he's the president of the United States.

00:28:48.000 Yeah, I don't like politicians.

00:28:50.000 Is anybody good at that?

00:28:53.000 If you had a magic wand, you could make someone president, who would you make it?

00:28:57.000 Oh, man.

00:29:00.000 I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

00:29:04.000 Arlo Guthrie.

00:29:04.000 Yeah, Arlo Guthrie.

00:29:06.000 Not Bill Hicks.

00:29:07.000 Ken Kesey.

00:29:09.000 Because that would probably change him.

00:29:11.000 Do you think it would?

00:29:12.000 Yeah.

00:29:13.000 Again, it's like it's a reality show.

00:29:15.000 It's going to change you when the cameras are aimed at you. 0.92

00:29:17.000 When you replace recognition with attention, it fucks you up. 0.58

00:29:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:22.000 Especially at a young age, the young boy band, child actors.

00:29:27.000 Do you know anybody that's a child actor?

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:30.000 I know people that are exposed to that world early on, and it's a dreadful mess.

00:29:35.000 It's a dreadful mess what they have to go through because they don't understand that attention is net recognition.

00:29:41.000 Well, also the development.

00:29:42.000 Well, there's few people that have actually made it out of that.

00:29:46.000 I don't think anybody has.

00:29:47.000 Leonardo DiCaprio, I feel like he's still an artist, right?

00:29:50.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:29:52.000 He holds his own as an artist.

00:29:53.000 Yes.

00:29:54.000 I don't know what he's like behind the scenes in his house. 1.00

00:29:57.000 He's like fucking shredding cats with his teeth because he's out of his mind. 0.99

00:30:01.000 That would come out by now. 1.00

00:30:02.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:30:03.000 The worst thing he does is he seems to like to fuck young pretty girls. 1.00

00:30:06.000 Hmm. 1.00

00:30:06.000 Which is weird. 1.00

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 I feel like that poison of the attention is kind of like that dopamine dump.

00:30:17.000 It's the same thing.

00:30:18.000 It's the likes, the like buttons. 0.91

00:30:19.000 Well, it's one of the things that I really admire about your choices, that you decided to get the fuck out of the epicenter. 0.96

00:30:25.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:30:25.000 Like, this is just too much gravity. 0.88

00:30:27.000 Yeah, there's too much.

00:30:28.000 There's too much.

00:30:30.000 So, I don't know.

00:30:31.000 And also, the decision to start a winery and what you've done has kind of gone to the earth.

00:30:39.000 I mean, it sounds corny, but really what you've done is that.

00:30:43.000 I mean, obviously you have a very sophisticated farm system and you have...

00:30:48.000 Acres and acres of vineyards.

00:30:50.000 But what you're doing is the earth.

00:30:52.000 You're growing.

00:30:53.000 You're part of nature.

00:30:55.000 And I think that grounding in nature, in that way that you're doing it, is a perfect antidote for this rock star life, which is all chaos.

00:31:05.000 But I mean, that's a byproduct, I think, for me.

00:31:09.000 But as far as the community, I'm finding that that core of the greenhouses and You know, growing vines.

00:31:18.000 It actually kind of feeds into what we're talking about as far as the conversation because I talk to batshit Portlandia types. 0.68

00:31:27.000 I talk to crystal clutchers. 0.93

00:31:29.000 I talk to staunch Republicans that look at me like I'm going to start trouble no matter what.

00:31:35.000 But I can actually talk to everybody because we're growing things and we're building our communities.

00:31:41.000 So as far as politicians are concerned, The ones higher up, they got there by being really good con men and liars I feel like in general.

00:31:51.000 That's what we see.

00:31:52.000 But down at this level, at the local level, you're just trying to figure out simple problems that you're trying to solve within your state, within your county, within your town.

00:32:02.000 Those politicians are, you know, you got to work with them, but they're less crazy.

00:32:07.000 They're less owned, as it were.

00:32:11.000 So you can actually have conversations with all these people, especially if you have a grounding in terms of literally the ground.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, literally the ground.

00:32:19.000 I mean, I just think there's something.

00:32:23.000 It's a part of the whole human experience of growing things.

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:29.000 I agree.

00:32:30.000 Yeah, I mean, I think what you've done is pretty badass.

00:32:33.000 It's the ultimate smart move, you know, in terms of like dealing with, especially like the rock star world.

00:32:41.000 It's so strange because it's so image-based with so many.

00:32:44.000 I mean, there's a bunch that don't even want to talk.

00:32:46.000 I've had rock stars that wanted to come on here, but they wanted to only do it at night, and they only wanted to have it with no video.

00:32:55.000 They wanted it to be audio only, and I'm like...

00:33:00.000 I want steak.

00:33:01.000 I just don't want it to be meat.

00:33:02.000 Well, it was like they were cultivating a thing.

00:33:05.000 It has to be dark in the room.

00:33:06.000 I want candles.

00:33:07.000 Like, okay, I'm out.

00:33:08.000 We're out.

00:33:09.000 We're gone.

00:33:10.000 This is not...

00:33:11.000 Yeah, that's not...

00:33:12.000 But, you know, I remember they were probably messed up.

00:33:17.000 The reason they're doing what they're doing is because something...

00:33:21.000 What happened to them earlier on, whether it was an aggressive teacher, uncle, somebody that just kind of, you know, a dad who was drunk.

00:33:30.000 You know, there's stuff that pushes them in that direction to be, you know, expressive.

00:33:37.000 Controlling.

00:33:38.000 Yeah, controlling and, you know, wanting to be acknowledged and do it exactly my way because I was powerless as a child.

00:33:47.000 Yeah, for sure, right?

00:33:48.000 And then that's the thing you see with actors, too, and they finally get some success.

00:33:52.000 The whole process of auditioning for things is so brutal, because you just, do you like me?

00:33:58.000 Do you like me?

00:33:58.000 I want you to like me.

00:33:59.000 Do I get the part?

00:34:00.000 I don't get the part!

00:34:01.000 I don't! 1.00

00:34:03.000 And then you go through this for years, and then finally you do get it, and then finally you're the fucking man. 0.99

00:34:07.000 Like, oh, look, it's Mike. 0.99

00:34:09.000 Mike's the star.

00:34:10.000 Hello, Mike.

00:34:10.000 Mike, look, look, we've got your bagels ready, Mike, and your trailer's ready.

00:34:14.000 And then Mike is, get me a fucking coffee. 0.99

00:34:17.000 Like, oh, Mike, anything for you. 0.99

00:34:18.000 And people act in this disproportionate, very insane way.

00:34:23.000 And then as they get more and more famous, they feel like they're entitled to this treatment.

00:34:28.000 Yes, yes.

00:34:29.000 It's real strange.

00:34:31.000 And I feel like I've seen it in our world.

00:34:36.000 Between bands, my bands, Tool, Procifer, Perfect Scroll, all of them, you get to spots where you feel entitled, you're arrogant, you are greedy.

00:34:45.000 All those things are in all of us and you have to check yourself when they come up.

00:34:50.000 Or not.

00:34:51.000 And you end up being like the bands that you are talking about.

00:34:54.000 It has to be this way or I won't do it. 0.99

00:34:56.000 That's kind of dumb. 0.95

00:34:57.000 Well, bands are odd too, right? 0.99

00:35:00.000 Because you're managing personalities.

00:35:04.000 It's not just like one person with a creative vision and they put it down.

00:35:08.000 You have all these other people and their ideas and you've got to work it out together and there's all sorts of weird shit going on, right?

00:35:19.000 Sorry.

00:35:20.000 What'd you do?

00:35:20.000 You shut it off?

00:35:21.000 I was checking my likes.

00:35:27.000 No, I was just making sure, because I posted that, and Dino, I just want to make sure Dino knew that we posted it, because then he can talk to...

00:35:33.000 Release the house.

00:35:34.000 Yeah, release the house.

00:35:36.000 Yeah.

00:35:37.000 A lot of weight lifted off my chest, dude.

00:35:39.000 Is it?

00:35:40.000 Yeah.

00:35:41.000 That's a lot of work. 0.99

00:35:43.000 The four of us are a lot of fucking work. 0.99

00:35:46.000 Just to get an agreement. 0.99

00:35:49.000 Just to get an agreement.

00:35:51.000 Okay, we're all agreeing.

00:35:53.000 We're going to release it. 0.99

00:35:55.000 Everything's a fucking committee meeting and it always gets shut down. 0.99

00:35:59.000 What's the hurdle? 1.00

00:36:01.000 Well, success.

00:36:04.000 When you get successful, you think you're right about everything.

00:36:07.000 And you're pretty sure as that individual, I am right and you are wrong because I'm successful and we're successful because of me, not because of you.

00:36:16.000 And so it's not that bad with us.

00:36:18.000 But that's the dynamic.

00:36:20.000 Yeah, there's a dynamic of like, you know, I want this and I've always gotten my way and that's why we're successful is because I don't compromise on this or that.

00:36:29.000 And it's like, you know, I'm the same way.

00:36:32.000 Do you find that as a parent – You sort of have more empathy for, like, fucked up behavior and thinking because you kind of understand, like, oh, you got bad data as a developing unit. 0.88

00:36:46.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:36:46.000 You were fed the wrong food or the wrong information, rather, you know, wrong mental food. 0.88

00:36:52.000 I think we discussed this before.

00:36:53.000 Like, I think there's a 50-50 on that.

00:36:55.000 Like, you can only guide your kids so much.

00:36:57.000 They're going to be what they're going to be.

00:36:58.000 They're going to grow up the way they want to grow up.

00:37:00.000 All you can try to do is go, like...

00:37:02.000 Okay, let's just teach you about stoves before you actually have to learn about stoves.

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 The wrong way.

00:37:08.000 So you don't light the house on fire.

00:37:09.000 That's it.

00:37:09.000 Yeah.

00:37:10.000 So you can kind of do some of that stove work early, but eventually they're going to have to do some of that stove work on their own.

00:37:15.000 Yeah.

00:37:16.000 But an instructor in our high school, which is funny because he's extreme Republican.

00:37:23.000 I'm the liberal kid, but he used to Share a lot of really, you know, nuggets, right?

00:37:29.000 Wisdom.

00:37:30.000 And he would always have us say, you know, what is an intelligent person?

00:37:34.000 A person who learns from experience.

00:37:36.000 Whose experience?

00:37:38.000 Other people's experience.

00:37:40.000 Right.

00:37:41.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 Not just your own.

00:37:42.000 Right.

00:37:43.000 Learn from your own experiences, but also pay attention that you don't really need to play Russian roulette to find out it ends wrong.

00:37:49.000 Don't get close to the bison at Yellowstone.

00:37:53.000 I'm trying to get a selfie with the bison.

00:37:54.000 See that video?

00:37:55.000 No, is it awful?

00:37:56.000 Nine-year-old kid. 1.00

00:37:57.000 The whole fucking family. 1.00

00:37:59.000 They apparently got within five yards of this fucking bison. 1.00

00:38:02.000 No, they... 1.00

00:38:03.000 Oh, come on, man.

00:38:04.000 And then the bison chards of the nine-year-old kid went flying through the air. 1.00

00:38:08.000 The thing about the nine-year-old kid landing, though, it seems like she landed on her feet, so I'm hoping she's okay.

00:38:12.000 I haven't read anything to the contrary.

00:38:14.000 So in my mind, she brushed it off, and she's like, ooh, I can't believe I flip like that.

00:38:18.000 Well, I mean, if she survived, maybe a broken bone would be a good reminder.

00:38:23.000 Yeah.

00:38:24.000 Sprained ankle.

00:38:25.000 I want the kid to have a sprained ankle.

00:38:26.000 Yes.

00:38:26.000 But I don't even want the kid.

00:38:27.000 I want the fucking parent to get one of those weird diseases where, like, when a twin falls down, you hurt. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Bison disease. 1.00

00:38:33.000 No. 1.00

00:38:34.000 Okay.

00:38:34.000 It's like the moms.

00:38:36.000 Here it is.

00:38:37.000 We'll watch it show you.

00:38:38.000 This bison just... 0.57

00:38:39.000 Look at the newscaster.

00:38:41.000 Boom! 0.99

00:38:41.000 See how she lands on her feet, though? 0.99

00:38:43.000 Come on.

00:38:43.000 I'm pretty sure she's okay.

00:38:44.000 Watch this.

00:38:45.000 Whoop!

00:38:46.000 Bang! 1.00

00:38:46.000 I think she's alright. 1.00

00:38:47.000 Maybe.

00:38:48.000 I think she's alright.

00:38:49.000 The thing is, did it trample her after? 1.00

00:38:51.000 Look at these fucking assholes. 1.00

00:38:53.000 This is the problem with zoos. 1.00

00:38:55.000 People, and this city life that we live, where people do not know what the fuck a wild animal really is. 0.99

00:39:03.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:39:03.000 You're not supposed to go anywhere near those things. 0.96

00:39:05.000 We're gonna find out.

00:39:06.000 They have instincts to stop predation. 1.00

00:39:09.000 And their instinct is to charge head forth with this fucking 200... 0.99

00:39:13.000 What did they do with a red shirt on, too? 0.99

00:39:15.000 Like, didn't you watch? 1.00

00:39:16.000 Asshole. 1.00

00:39:17.000 You should have juked him. 1.00

00:39:18.000 You should have stepped in for the little kid, you piece of shit. 1.00

00:39:23.000 Over here, you fuck! 1.00

00:39:24.000 I mean, it's a 2,000-pound gigantic animal that has to fight off wolves and mountain lions and bears, and you're going to have your kid five yards away from it? 1.00

00:39:34.000 You know, I've had a lot of friends, musician friends, that go, yeah, I want to come out, man.

00:39:39.000 I want to work harvest.

00:39:40.000 You really don't.

00:39:41.000 No, you don't want to work.

00:39:42.000 You really don't want to do that.

00:39:43.000 I mean, I want you to, and I can make it a pleasant experience for you.

00:39:47.000 I absolutely can.

00:39:48.000 I can make it go fairly seamless, but you're going to learn some things you didn't know about yourself.

00:39:52.000 Fact.

00:39:53.000 Well, you have to work.

00:39:54.000 Hours.

00:39:55.000 Yeah.

00:39:56.000 Real hours.

00:39:57.000 That's why we can't go to dinner tonight.

00:39:58.000 We've got apples waiting.

00:39:59.000 I have some Chardonnay already fermenting.

00:40:02.000 You have apples?

00:40:03.000 Yeah, I'm going to make cider in the morning.

00:40:05.000 So what do you do?

00:40:06.000 You pick the apples now to make cider in the morning?

00:40:08.000 I have about 40 trees.

00:40:09.000 My dad and Randy, she's kind of in charge of the orchards and greenhouses.

00:40:15.000 You saw some of the greenhouse footage.

00:40:17.000 Yeah, Randy's doing that.

00:40:18.000 So my dad and her picked probably about a half a ton, maybe a ton of apples already off our trees.

00:40:24.000 So I get back, you know, tonight, I fly back tonight, and then in the morning, we're shredding apples into a bin, like applesauce, and going to inoculate it.

00:40:35.000 Inoculate it with what?

00:40:37.000 I already have some Chardonnay that's fermenting, so I'll take like a gallon of the Chardonnay and just put it in with the apples so that it'll just start the fermentation.

00:40:45.000 So like bacteria from the Chardonnay, yeast?

00:40:47.000 The yeast is already fermenting, yeah.

00:40:49.000 Wow, that's badass.

00:40:50.000 So I'll just inoculate it with something that's already, it's a wild yeast that's already fermenting, and so put it in with those, let it finish up.

00:40:58.000 And do you do this at a stable temperature?

00:41:00.000 Like, does it have to be...

00:41:01.000 We normally keep the cider, we've been kind of keeping it like, you know, 70, 68 in a cool room, not out in the sun hot, and not back in a cold, cold, cold room.

00:41:12.000 Kind of, you know, 60, between 65 and 72. How much cider will you make with all that?

00:41:18.000 How much?

00:41:18.000 Did you say half a ton?

00:41:20.000 We did.

00:41:21.000 There's more apples coming.

00:41:23.000 So we'll probably end up with about eight barrels worth of cider.

00:41:28.000 And that's about, good Lord, 200 cases.

00:41:32.000 It's about 300 cans.

00:41:35.000 Like 300 flats of cans.

00:41:38.000 So...

00:41:41.000 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 So it's fairly limited production in terms of, like, commercially.

00:41:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:45.000 It's not going to be commercially.

00:41:46.000 It would just be in our tasting rooms.

00:41:48.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:41:49.000 Yeah.

00:41:50.000 Wow.

00:41:51.000 And so how long is the process?

00:41:53.000 How long does it have to ferment?

00:41:55.000 Well, once they're picked, we can actually, the cool thing about apples is they kind of keep, kind of just kind of stack them up in the walk-in cooler on site, and then we gather them all up when there's a critical mass, bring them in, shred them.

00:42:08.000 So that day, I will shred them.

00:42:10.000 Probably about a week and a half later, the fermentation's done.

00:42:13.000 The hard part is separating the applesauce from the juice.

00:42:18.000 That's the hard part.

00:42:19.000 So a lot of people will get them super ripe and they crush and press them so they just get the juice right off the must and they ferment just the juice.

00:42:28.000 Other people will shred them so there's just like applesauce and then they'll try to press that through a very specific press that kind of gets the juice away from the must.

00:42:36.000 What's the benefit of the former versus the latter?

00:42:38.000 I do the third one.

00:42:39.000 I make it, I shred it so there's applesauce and unless you're fermenting on the must, on the applesauce.

00:42:45.000 Hmm.

00:42:46.000 And then I press, as it starts to separate, I'm starting to pull the juice out once it's fermented.

00:42:52.000 Now, have you done this because you tried the other methods and you like the flavor of this one better?

00:42:56.000 So, how many times you've guessed, I guess I've done this?

00:43:00.000 40?

00:43:01.000 Right. 0.99

00:43:02.000 That's because I'm a liar. 0.98

00:43:04.000 And I'm good at it. 0.63

00:43:06.000 No, I've done it once.

00:43:08.000 And it turned out.

00:43:09.000 So because I want to make sure that that wasn't an accident, I'm going to do it exactly like I did it last time to see if it turns out the same.

00:43:19.000 And when you did it, did you do it based on someone's recommendation or did you have someone guiding you through it?

00:43:24.000 I did it based on my experiences with fermenting grapes on skins.

00:43:28.000 Really?

00:43:29.000 Yeah, I just kind of looked at that process and went, okay, I see how we're going to get some stuff.

00:43:33.000 And our cider is extremely dry.

00:43:35.000 It's not a sweet cider you normally would think of, like slightly sweet cider.

00:43:40.000 This is like an acidic, dry cider, very refreshing.

00:43:45.000 And is this a cider that's available at your restaurant?

00:43:48.000 Yeah, at the Ulsteria, down in Scottsdale, at the American Vineyards location in Scottsdale, and at the Caduceus Cellars Tasting Room and the Pulsifer Store in the 4A. If someone, where would, like, where would I go?

00:43:59.000 Where would I go if I wanted to try your food and drink your wine?

00:44:02.000 Like, what's the spot?

00:44:03.000 Where would you recommend?

00:44:04.000 Well, the easiest place for you.

00:44:05.000 If you want to take a long trip, you want to go up to, up to Jerome and Cottonwood area to go to those locations.

00:44:12.000 There's three locations of different things happening in each one of those.

00:44:15.000 But if you're just kind of in Phoenix area, We have a location over in Scottsdale, in Old Town Scottsdale.

00:44:21.000 I'm definitely in Phoenix.

00:44:22.000 When am I in Phoenix?

00:44:23.000 I've got two nights in Phoenix at the Comerica Theater.

00:44:28.000 There you go.

00:44:30.000 That's like soon.

00:44:31.000 You're going to hit Pizzeria Bianco.

00:44:32.000 You have to hit there.

00:44:33.000 You've got to get Southern Rail, Beckett's Table.

00:44:36.000 December?

00:44:37.000 Oh.

00:44:38.000 I thought that was like soon.

00:44:39.000 Beckett's Table, Southern Rail, Tarbell's, F&B, which is in Scottsdale.

00:44:47.000 Scottsdale has a reputation for cocaine and parties.

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:51.000 But it's also got great food.

00:44:53.000 Yes.

00:44:53.000 It's a very interesting place.

00:44:56.000 A lot of people just have escaped some of the problems in other cities and gone to Scottsdale.

00:45:02.000 That is a fact.

00:45:03.000 Yes.

00:45:04.000 It's a weird place.

00:45:05.000 I've always found it real weird.

00:45:06.000 We had some decent success up in the valley, like with the vibe that we got with the farms, you know, farm to table, not just any farm, our farms to your table vibe, and our vines to your glass scenario.

00:45:19.000 But it's funny, down in Scottsdale, like, okay, this is going to go.

00:45:21.000 We did it.

00:45:22.000 And we're like, we're going to need more makeup.

00:45:27.000 I'm going to need implants on this.

00:45:28.000 Yeah.

00:45:29.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:45:30.000 Yeah.

00:45:30.000 But it's a weird party town in that way.

00:45:33.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:45:33.000 It's like a lot of really pretty women, but a specific kind of pretty, like porn star pretty. 0.94

00:45:38.000 The dudes are super pretty, too.

00:45:40.000 They're pretty, too.

00:45:40.000 Yeah.

00:45:41.000 Handsome.

00:45:41.000 Spiked hair.

00:45:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:43.000 They got the tan.

00:45:44.000 Jacked and tan.

00:45:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:46.000 You got a tanning bed?

00:45:47.000 You should check into it.

00:45:48.000 Motorcycles.

00:45:49.000 No helmet.

00:45:50.000 Yeah.

00:45:53.000 Yes, I mean, if you're going to be in Scottsdale, it's a great location.

00:45:55.000 But there's so many great chefs and restaurants in that area.

00:46:00.000 There really are.

00:46:01.000 In downtown.

00:46:02.000 And if you're going to be a Comerica, you're right by Bianco's.

00:46:05.000 You've got to go to Bianco's.

00:46:06.000 Bianco's.

00:46:06.000 What is that?

00:46:06.000 Is that an Italian joint?

00:46:08.000 Pizzeria Bianco.

00:46:09.000 Yeah, Chris Bianco.

00:46:11.000 He's got two locations, Town& Country, and he's got one downtown, but he also has his other place.

00:46:16.000 Oh my god, I'm gonna forget the name right now. 0.99

00:46:17.000 That's so dumb. 1.00

00:46:19.000 I'm gonna get so much shit for this. 1.00

00:46:22.000 His other place. 1.00

00:46:23.000 Oh, the other place.

00:46:24.000 Right next to Bianco is at Town& Country.

00:46:27.000 Oh my god, I'm having a brain fart.

00:46:29.000 It's great.

00:46:31.000 Handmade pastas and the dishes are amazing.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 I'll check in with you in December.

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:35.000 Maybe you'll remember it.

00:46:36.000 I'll remember it by then.

00:46:38.000 Gotta get off this CBD oil, man.

00:46:40.000 It's right in your brain, man.

00:46:42.000 You can't be too relaxed.

00:46:43.000 Right.

00:46:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:45.000 CBD, fucking, it saves vacations for me. 1.00

00:46:49.000 I don't stress out. 0.99

00:46:52.000 I think it's one of the best things I've ever tried for anxiety.

00:46:55.000 It's weird.

00:46:56.000 And I didn't even know I had anxiety until I started taking CBD. I take...

00:47:00.000 These little jammies. 0.99

00:47:01.000 This will fuck you up, though. 0.99

00:47:04.000 This is one and one. 0.99

00:47:05.000 This is one part CBD. Don't put this in your butt. 1.00

00:47:08.000 Do not put this in your butt. 1.00

00:47:09.000 You can put it in your butt, but you will get nervous. 1.00

00:47:13.000 You're going to get paranoid. 0.98

00:47:14.000 But it's a weird, like the CBD THC high is a different high because CBD does something to alleviate anxiety.

00:47:21.000 It sort of just makes you comfortable with your own demise.

00:47:27.000 The existential angst is...

00:47:29.000 The flames don't seem so hot.

00:47:31.000 Yeah, we're all going to die.

00:47:33.000 But right now, we're not dead.

00:47:35.000 Cool.

00:47:36.000 Look at the colors.

00:47:38.000 Feel the warmth of the sun.

00:47:41.000 But this is not functional.

00:47:44.000 I don't do this if I have anything super important to do, but just CBD oil.

00:47:50.000 I just find it puts you in a great place.

00:47:54.000 But internal, not topical?

00:47:56.000 Internal.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, topical is really good for muscle aches.

00:47:59.000 It's really good.

00:48:00.000 Probably the best thing I've ever found for alleviating soreness and stiffness and stuff like that.

00:48:06.000 Because I found, I was in Europe, all of a sudden discovered that they actually had ibuprofen, like, cream to put on.

00:48:13.000 Ibuprofen's terrible for you.

00:48:15.000 Right.

00:48:15.000 Really, really bad for you.

00:48:16.000 And what I found out was that if you let your pets lick it, they get liver failure and die.

00:48:22.000 Whoa.

00:48:23.000 So don't...

00:48:24.000 Did you accidentally do that?

00:48:25.000 No, I had a person who works at the Humane Society, I mentioned that I found this stuff, like, just in desperation in Europe, like, had some sore muscles.

00:48:34.000 And she's like, don't let your pets lick that because they were trying to figure out why these kittens were dying. 1.00

00:48:40.000 Oh, God.

00:48:42.000 My friend Cameron Haynes is a runner and he runs marathons and he runs ultra marathons. 0.98

00:48:46.000 He runs these 240 mile Moab fucking ridiculous runs that last three days. 0.92

00:48:54.000 And he was having, like, all this joint pain. 0.98

00:48:56.000 So he was taking ibuprofen every day.

00:48:58.000 He was taking 800 milligrams, not just once, but sometimes twice a day.

00:49:02.000 And he was just constant aches and pains.

00:49:04.000 So Dr. Rhonda Patrick had been on the podcast.

00:49:06.000 She was talking about the dangers of ibuprofen and about what it does to your gut biome and how much it fucks you up.

00:49:13.000 It creates inflammation.

00:49:14.000 It actually can cause stress or it can cause strokes rather and all sorts of horrible, horrible things. 0.99

00:49:20.000 So I call him up and I said, hey man, that stuff's fine to take every now and then for a headache, but you can't take that shit every day. 0.99

00:49:25.000 You just can't do it and you're fucking your body up. 1.00

00:49:28.000 Just get off of it. 0.99

00:49:29.000 And I sent him the recording.

00:49:30.000 He listened to it.

00:49:31.000 He's like, Jesus Christ, I don't want to have a stroke.

00:49:33.000 So he gets off of it.

00:49:34.000 All his pain goes away.

00:49:35.000 It turned out his pain was being caused not just by the running, but by the fact that he was creating inflammation by destroying his gut biome by taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen two times a day. 0.94

00:49:49.000 So the idea of fixing himself was fucking him up. 0.96

00:49:53.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:49:55.000 Yeah, so fuck ibuprofen. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Okay. 1.00

00:49:59.000 Well, I mean, I take it every now and then.

00:50:01.000 But you can't take it every day. 0.99

00:50:03.000 So you're a liar.

00:50:04.000 No, I mean, just saying don't take it every day. 1.00

00:50:06.000 But if I had, like, a bad headache, I'll take some Tylenol or some shit. 0.93

00:50:09.000 It's not Tylenol, right? 0.98

00:50:10.000 Advil.

00:50:13.000 Yeah.

00:50:13.000 It's just not something you're supposed to take all the time.

00:50:16.000 I did for a minute and I realized it was doing what you said.

00:50:19.000 I was more icky than I should be.

00:50:21.000 And then like, you know, bad night out, you didn't drink enough water.

00:50:24.000 Right.

00:50:25.000 Okay.

00:50:25.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:50:26.000 Hit a couple.

00:50:27.000 Yeah, and then you're fine.

00:50:28.000 You can still do that.

00:50:29.000 But CBD does that too.

00:50:31.000 It's better.

00:50:32.000 Better for you than all that stuff.

00:50:33.000 There seems to be no side effects.

00:50:35.000 Okay.

00:50:36.000 Alright.

00:50:37.000 The side effects is...

00:50:39.000 People think you're a hippie.

00:50:42.000 That's the only side effect.

00:50:43.000 Right.

00:50:44.000 Right?

00:50:45.000 If you say you're into CBD... I've just talked so much shit about pot that now I've got to backpedal and go, no, I was just a part of an elaborate joke. 0.99

00:50:53.000 Listen, man, I smoke pot all the time and I talk shit about pot. 1.00

00:50:56.000 It's the people. 1.00

00:50:58.000 It's the fucking people that are really into pot. 1.00

00:51:01.000 They're annoying. 1.00

00:51:02.000 They're annoying.

00:51:05.000 Look at this.

00:51:05.000 Eddie's not in here, is he?

00:51:07.000 No.

00:51:07.000 Eddie?

00:51:07.000 Okay, I thought maybe he was going to jump out from under the table.

00:51:09.000 No.

00:51:09.000 No, he's going to...

00:51:10.000 No.

00:51:12.000 This is...

00:51:12.000 I got this from...

00:51:13.000 Is this from Tommy Chong?

00:51:14.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 Good lord, that's a baseball bat.

00:51:17.000 Tommy Chong's not playing games.

00:51:19.000 And he's been doing this since the 70s.

00:51:21.000 And he's still alive.

00:51:23.000 Seems to be fine.

00:51:24.000 It smells scary.

00:51:26.000 Like, you just smell it and you're like, this is going to bring back memories that I don't want anymore.

00:51:32.000 We got rid of those.

00:51:33.000 Why are you bringing those back? 0.97

00:51:34.000 The problem is dummies. 0.96

00:51:37.000 The problem is not pot. 0.94

00:51:38.000 It's like the problem with every single thing.

00:51:40.000 The problem is not skateboards. 0.99

00:51:42.000 The problem is people want to ride skateboards on the edge of fucking skyscrapers. 0.99

00:51:45.000 Right? 0.99

00:51:46.000 Good point.

00:51:47.000 That's the problem.

00:51:48.000 It's like with everything.

00:51:50.000 It's the implementation of the idea. 1.00

00:51:53.000 In a really stupid way. 1.00

00:51:54.000 That's the problem. 1.00

00:51:55.000 Alright.

00:51:55.000 It's not pot.

00:51:56.000 People smoke pot all day.

00:51:58.000 But you can apply that to almost anything.

00:52:00.000 Yes.

00:52:01.000 You know, a hammer.

00:52:01.000 You can destroy something with it.

00:52:03.000 You can build something with it.

00:52:04.000 Exactly.

00:52:05.000 So it's not really a hammer.

00:52:06.000 It's you.

00:52:07.000 Exactly.

00:52:08.000 Okay.

00:52:08.000 Exactly.

00:52:09.000 But there's some people that are functional on it all day.

00:52:12.000 Like Be Real from Cypress Hill.

00:52:14.000 I did his show.

00:52:15.000 He's got this hot box show.

00:52:17.000 Oh.

00:52:18.000 I can't believe how high they get.

00:52:20.000 They're high all day long and then they keep going.

00:52:22.000 We got so high before the show started.

00:52:25.000 I was like, well, we must be done.

00:52:26.000 We're going to go sit.

00:52:27.000 He does a show called The Hot Box.

00:52:29.000 And you sit in this beautiful old Cadillac and smoke weed and talk about life.

00:52:34.000 And I was like, well, surely we're done.

00:52:36.000 We can't be smoking more.

00:52:37.000 Wrong. 0.99

00:52:38.000 It gives you these bats of weed and you climb into the car and it's just a fucking thick cloud of smoke. 0.98

00:52:44.000 Just be real. 1.00

00:52:45.000 He doesn't fuck around. 0.99

00:52:46.000 But he's lucid, completely functional. 0.99

00:52:49.000 You talk to him, the guy exercises, he's healthy, he's real friendly.

00:52:54.000 Real friendly. 0.99

00:52:55.000 Seems fucking... 0.99

00:52:56.000 Seems to work out great for him. 1.00

00:52:58.000 Yeah.

00:52:58.000 But not for everybody.

00:53:00.000 Yeah, I'm like...

00:53:01.000 I'm the pot guy that's under the table freaking out.

00:53:03.000 Yeah.

00:53:04.000 What do you think of?

00:53:05.000 What bothers you when you get high?

00:53:09.000 I think just paranoia.

00:53:11.000 Anything.

00:53:11.000 A noise.

00:53:13.000 A thought.

00:53:14.000 You know, they're trying to get me.

00:53:16.000 Like, it's super, like, paranoid.

00:53:18.000 Even if you just get a little pot?

00:53:19.000 A little...

00:53:21.000 Yep.

00:53:21.000 What about try a little bit of this?

00:53:22.000 A little bit of CBD, a little bit of pot.

00:53:25.000 Joe.

00:53:26.000 Joe.

00:53:26.000 No?

00:53:27.000 Watch, I'll take one first.

00:53:28.000 I'll show you.

00:53:29.000 We're going to be fine.

00:53:29.000 No?

00:53:30.000 No, no.

00:53:31.000 Nope.

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 Thank you.

00:53:33.000 Thank you now.

00:53:35.000 Stick with wine.

00:53:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:37.000 Did you fuck with whiskey? 1.00

00:53:38.000 Yeah, I do. 1.00

00:53:39.000 I got a thing, a little collaboration with Angel's Envy Bourbon out of Kentucky.

00:53:45.000 They took some of my fortified wine barrels and took them, and they're finishing one of their ports in one of my barrels, a couple of my barrels, yeah.

00:53:54.000 Ooh.

00:53:55.000 So is port the same as whiskey?

00:53:57.000 Port is a fortified wine from Portugal.

00:54:01.000 Right.

00:54:01.000 So you can- Oh, so they're a whiskey, they're an alcohol company.

00:54:05.000 Yes.

00:54:06.000 Yes.

00:54:06.000 So Angels Empty is bourbon.

00:54:09.000 Right.

00:54:09.000 They do rye and bourbon in Kentucky and they basically, they have a whole thing about their Angels Empty bourbon is finished and In port barrels.

00:54:19.000 Oh.

00:54:19.000 So they'll find, you know, either get them from Europe or get them from California where they're, you know, they're a fortified red barrel that's had wine in it.

00:54:27.000 Sweet, rich wine.

00:54:30.000 And they finish the bourbon in these barrels.

00:54:33.000 So now they have some of mine to do a special Caduceus collaboration. 0.99

00:54:37.000 You're one of those people that I talk to that I go, where the fuck does he get the time?

00:54:42.000 Because I do a lot of things. 0.98

00:54:44.000 But then I talk to someone like you, I'm like, no I don't.

00:54:46.000 You do a lot of things.

00:54:48.000 It's just organizing your time and delegating.

00:54:51.000 I mean, because that's really what it is.

00:54:53.000 When you're younger, you want to go, I did that.

00:54:56.000 I did that.

00:54:57.000 I'm doing that.

00:54:58.000 And then you realize, I can't do all of that.

00:55:00.000 So I have friends.

00:55:02.000 We are a team of people.

00:55:03.000 We have a Pussifer store in Jerome, Arizona.

00:55:07.000 And it has cut and sew.

00:55:10.000 We do printing in shirts.

00:55:11.000 We have a barber shop in it.

00:55:13.000 We do a full new and used vinyl section.

00:55:15.000 A barber shop?

00:55:16.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 It's weird for a ball guy to have a barber shop.

00:55:18.000 I don't use it.

00:55:20.000 Except for, you know, the manscaping.

00:55:24.000 New and used vinyl on top floor with all kinds of perf and now you're like, you know, band stuff, but also like a whole kind of the gelato shop.

00:55:33.000 Do people go there hoping they're gonna run into you?

00:55:35.000 Probably.

00:55:36.000 But I don't run it.

00:55:37.000 My wife does.

00:55:38.000 She's absolutely, I couldn't do that.

00:55:40.000 I couldn't do it at all without her.

00:55:41.000 She runs it top to bottom.

00:55:42.000 All the ideas for all the pusover merch is all, it's all her. 0.95

00:55:45.000 She does, she runs it. 0.82

00:55:47.000 It's great.

00:55:48.000 We just added a popcorn machine.

00:55:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:51.000 Nice.

00:55:52.000 You do that and you do jiu-jitsu, too?

00:55:56.000 Yeah.

00:55:57.000 Well, here's the thing.

00:55:59.000 I do jiu-jitsu.

00:55:59.000 I just don't do it very well because I don't focus on it all day.

00:56:04.000 I've learned about jiu-jitsu over the years and now I'm doing a little bit of Muay Thai.

00:56:07.000 I suck at that, too, but I'm doing some.

00:56:10.000 I bought a bag. 0.93

00:56:11.000 Yeah?

00:56:12.000 Some gloves.

00:56:13.000 What kind of bag?

00:56:15.000 Fairtex?

00:56:16.000 Fairtex, yeah.

00:56:16.000 That's a good bag for you, especially if you've had some hip issues, because it's not hard.

00:56:23.000 It's a good bag to hit.

00:56:24.000 I've got a couple different bags out there.

00:56:26.000 That tall one, though, is the one I want to have?

00:56:28.000 Because I've got the shorter, fat one.

00:56:30.000 Right, yeah.

00:56:31.000 It seems pretty heavy.

00:56:32.000 Yeah, that's a different one.

00:56:33.000 And then the ball.

00:56:34.000 Mm-hmm.

00:56:34.000 The ball's good, yeah.

00:56:35.000 The ball's great.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, the sack one for knees.

00:56:38.000 The one that I have, that heavy bag, is great.

00:56:42.000 It's good for tendons and stuff, because a lot of people, you hit those big, hard, heavy bags...

00:56:48.000 You know, you can do that when you're young. 0.92

00:56:49.000 But as you get older and you've got 20 years of blasting into bags full power, after a while, your joints just start to fucking... 1.00

00:56:57.000 They just start to say, fuck you. 0.99

00:56:59.000 I'm finding that, for me, my friend Todd got me into doing the Muay Thai because he's like, look, we do jiu-jitsu so much and on the road you're like... 1.00

00:57:10.000 We can only find this black belt in town to train with you, and he's 210, 220. So I'm trying to deal with this weight, and I'm kind of sore now for the show. 1.00

00:57:20.000 That's not good.

00:57:21.000 The bed is not...

00:57:22.000 Traveling, the bed's never ideal.

00:57:25.000 And you're in the bus, and you're bouncing down the road, and it's like a coffin that has some kind of palsy all the way down the road.

00:57:33.000 You're just...

00:57:35.000 Trying to sleep.

00:57:36.000 So he went, let's do some Muay Thai because it's more opening.

00:57:42.000 It's left to right.

00:57:43.000 You're kind of going back and you're doing more twisting and just that rhythm.

00:57:47.000 And it's a good workout.

00:57:49.000 It's easier on your joints too.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:51.000 So I got into it for that reason, just to kind of stand upright more.

00:57:54.000 So you have someone holding your pants for you?

00:57:56.000 Yeah, well he's got a lot of, you know, all over the world.

00:57:59.000 He's got, you know, great trainers everywhere.

00:58:01.000 So we roll in and it's funny that you go into one guy and like, yeah, do this.

00:58:04.000 What are you doing?

00:58:05.000 Don't do that.

00:58:06.000 Like, the last guy said I was supposed to do that.

00:58:08.000 Like, you know, different trainer, different instructions.

00:58:10.000 Yeah, you get a lot of that for sure.

00:58:12.000 There's a lot of people that know for sure that they have the way to do it.

00:58:16.000 Why?

00:58:17.000 Watching the infinite number of how you wrap your hands videos on YouTube.

00:58:21.000 No, bro.

00:58:22.000 This is the way you do it.

00:58:23.000 There's only one way.

00:58:23.000 It's only one way.

00:58:24.000 This is the best way.

00:58:25.000 My favorite is the ones you slide on and then you just spin it and they Velcro on.

00:58:29.000 It's like got gel that goes over the knuckles.

00:58:32.000 Done.

00:58:32.000 They slide on like a little glove.

00:58:34.000 It's great.

00:58:35.000 All right.

00:58:35.000 I love those.

00:58:36.000 It only has like maybe like four feet of actual wrap.

00:58:40.000 And you slide these things on.

00:58:41.000 You go like that.

00:58:42.000 Bang.

00:58:43.000 But the headache of me sitting there like washing the tube.

00:58:47.000 Some guys get super serious about folding over the knuckles, too.

00:58:50.000 You fold seven times, and then you put it over the knuckles, then wrap it down, then through the fingers.

00:58:55.000 Isn't that the bags for?

00:58:56.000 The gloves?

00:58:58.000 The gloves are supposed to be the padding.

00:58:59.000 It helps.

00:59:00.000 But also what helps is really strengthening your hands.

00:59:04.000 There's a lot of the problem that people have is that they don't do anything with their hands.

00:59:08.000 They just hit things, which is fine, but to really reinforce the structure of your hand, you should use those Captains of Crush grips.

00:59:17.000 Smash down those things.

00:59:19.000 They'll create better tendon strength and hand strength.

00:59:22.000 Don't they have a mullet and sit in a Camaro and do that hand thing like this? 0.98

00:59:25.000 Those guys can't use the Captains of Crush ones. 1.00

00:59:27.000 Those motherfuckers are like 160 plus pounds. 1.00

00:59:30.000 Didn't you say you got one that's like 190 or something? 1.00

00:59:32.000 What do you got?

00:59:32.000 The level three is 280. What do they look like?

00:59:37.000 It's like a knurled steel pipe or aluminum outside and thick, heavy spring.

00:59:44.000 It's like a hand gripper, but it's like a real, legit, hardcore one.

00:59:48.000 And so I'll do it this way, then I'll flip them upside down and do it that way.

00:59:52.000 And then I'll also, you know, I do a lot of chin-ups and a lot of stuff with my hands.

00:59:56.000 That's what it looks like. 0.99

00:59:57.000 You've seen those fucking things. 1.00

00:59:58.000 But those are... 1.00

00:59:59.000 You're not supposed to be like in a Camaro doing that?

01:00:01.000 No.

01:00:02.000 Not anymore.

01:00:03.000 Those guys are dead.

01:00:05.000 Oh Jesus, it goes to 322?

01:00:07.000 Oh my god, 365?

01:00:09.000 Yeah, only like five people in the world have ever done these down here.

01:00:12.000 That is so crazy.

01:00:14.000 I guess that's according to what I was reading about.

01:00:16.000 I've got the 140 pound one.

01:00:18.000 That's nuts.

01:00:19.000 So how far down do I go?

01:00:20.000 Let's see.

01:00:21.000 Start with the 60. Start with the 60. Yeah, sure.

01:00:24.000 Yeah, start with the 60 though.

01:00:25.000 I don't know.

01:00:25.000 But I mean, you just want reps.

01:00:27.000 You want reps. 0.71

01:00:29.000 You just want to be able to sit around.

01:00:34.000 I've met guys who are fighters, like really good fighters that have small hands.

01:00:38.000 I don't mean small hands meaning the structure of the hand.

01:00:41.000 I mean the meat, the meat of the hand.

01:00:43.000 They don't do anything where they're gripping all the time or pulling all the time.

01:00:47.000 They're strikers.

01:00:48.000 So they just wrap their hands up.

01:00:50.000 And, you know, when you're just doing this all the time and throwing punches, you're not really making your hand stronger.

01:00:56.000 The way to make the hand stronger is you've got to squeeze tennis balls and squeeze, you know, there's different putties that they make. 0.99

01:01:01.000 Grip gis and shit. 0.98

01:01:02.000 Yeah, gripping gis is fantastic. 0.99

01:01:04.000 Like, if you grab a jujitsu guy's hand, those hands are made out of wood.

01:01:08.000 Like, a really good jujitsu guy.

01:01:11.000 And a lot of that is just gis. 0.90

01:01:13.000 And gi chin-ups and shit, when you throw the gi over the chin-up bar and do that, that's fantastic, too. 0.99

01:01:18.000 When you do that? 1.00

01:01:20.000 Yeah, you don't fuck with that. 0.99

01:01:21.000 I'm just, bless you, dude. 0.99

01:01:23.000 Do you do no-gi or just gi?

01:01:25.000 I do mostly gi.

01:01:26.000 Mostly gi? 0.95

01:01:27.000 Yeah.

01:01:27.000 Yeah, but I'm, you know, I'm finding on the road, it's just traveling, it's easier to do the no-gi because I can rinse that out and hang it up in the shower and just dry by morning.

01:01:36.000 Do you use special soap and make sure you don't get any fucking cooties? 1.00

01:01:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:41.000 It's crazy.

01:01:42.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 Cooties are real, man.

01:01:45.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:01:45.000 They kill people. 0.98

01:01:46.000 Well, I noticed like, you know, and it's been, I remember as a wrestler, you never really saw this stuff.

01:01:53.000 You saw a little bit of it, but like nowadays, it's like they're getting disqualified at regionals because they've got a spot on their back and they can't go wrestle and they've worked their whole season to get here and it's like...

01:02:04.000 Yeah.

01:02:05.000 Well, we clean the mask.

01:02:06.000 We do all those things.

01:02:06.000 We clean the stuff.

01:02:07.000 Like, where did you get that?

01:02:08.000 Well, staph is in your body.

01:02:10.000 And particularly when people blow their nose, you know, and they wipe their nose and their finger, and then they roll.

01:02:16.000 That stuff, your nose has all sorts of staph inside of it.

01:02:20.000 And people get staph in their nose as well if they get an abrasion in their nose and that stuff gets into your skin and you don't clean it out.

01:02:27.000 It's also your body has to be healthy.

01:02:29.000 And one of the things that happens with wrestlers or any competitive athlete is as your body is going through training camp, you are building your conditioning, but you're also compromising your immune system.

01:02:39.000 Like when I was fighting, I used to always get sick.

01:02:41.000 I had poor nutrition.

01:02:42.000 I wasn't really that smart about it, but I was always getting sick before like big events.

01:02:46.000 Also nerves, too.

01:02:48.000 Yeah.

01:02:48.000 Nerves, conditioning, all that stuff breaks you down.

01:02:51.000 So with athletes that are doing any sort of combat sport where you're getting scratched, you're really susceptible to that stuff.

01:03:00.000 Defense soap is my thing. 0.86

01:03:03.000 I fucking love that stuff because it's all natural. 0.96

01:03:07.000 When people use antibacterial soap on the hand, the problem with that is that kills the good bacteria too. 0.98

01:03:12.000 What you want is something that really reinforces the healthy flora but prevents all the cooties from growing, prevents staph.

01:03:19.000 Send me that little list of things.

01:03:21.000 My friend Guy Sacco runs a company. 0.98

01:03:24.000 He developed it because he was a wrestling coach and these kids were getting staph and ringwear and shit. 0.99

01:03:29.000 He was trying to figure out what the fuck is this. 0.99

01:03:31.000 So he came out with these natural cures for it. 0.98

01:03:33.000 It's all just tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil.

01:03:36.000 It's just healthy.

01:03:37.000 Yeah.

01:03:38.000 And after you train, just wash your body with it and leave it on.

01:03:42.000 You leave it on, like suds up, leave it on for a minute or two, then rinse it off.

01:03:46.000 And then if you've got any little scratches, he's got some ointment you put on the hole.

01:03:50.000 And it's all natural.

01:03:51.000 It's all just good for you, healthy.

01:03:53.000 And then also what's good is probiotics.

01:03:56.000 Like anything like kimchi is really good.

01:03:59.000 Kombucha is really good.

01:04:01.000 Acidophilus from yogurt is really good.

01:04:04.000 So what is it that's in the kimchi that works?

01:04:08.000 Is it because they let it go to vinegar?

01:04:10.000 The volatile acidity is what actually has the probiotics in it?

01:04:13.000 Yes.

01:04:14.000 I have olive trees.

01:04:15.000 I have like 20 olive trees.

01:04:17.000 And so we do the brine solution.

01:04:20.000 It's salt and vinegar solution that we're curing them in.

01:04:24.000 Does that have anything to do with that at all?

01:04:26.000 Sure.

01:04:26.000 The thing about kimchi is it's a proven health probiotic.

01:04:31.000 Like, it's one of those things that people have been eating for thousands of years, and it's just good for your overall well-being.

01:04:37.000 I want to know more about this.

01:04:38.000 Yeah, so...

01:04:40.000 Cultures, you know, when you're eating these probiotic cultures, and there's some really potent ones you could buy that are required.

01:04:47.000 Like, there's some that you can get that they live on their own substrate, so inside the little capsules there's enough of whatever they can feed off of where they can be active without being refrigerated.

01:04:59.000 But there's other ones that you have to buy, like really hardcore ones that you're getting that have to be refrigerated.

01:05:05.000 Okay.

01:05:05.000 What I like about the food-based ones is, first of all, they taste good.

01:05:09.000 They can be a part of a meal.

01:05:11.000 I like kimchi, so I eat it all the time.

01:05:13.000 Kombucha, I like it.

01:05:14.000 I drink it all the time.

01:05:15.000 It just reinforces all that healthy flora.

01:05:19.000 It's basically got little soldiers to fight against the cooties. 1.00

01:05:23.000 I mean, you've got to think of your body as an ecosystem, right?

01:05:25.000 Your body is not just you.

01:05:27.000 Your body is a host of bacteria.

01:05:30.000 So much so there's more E. coli living in your gut than have ever been people, ever.

01:05:36.000 You know, it's all just a part of you.

01:05:38.000 So you just reinforce the good stuff and keep the bad stuff away.

01:05:41.000 And when the immune system gets compromised, especially through hard training, and then you get scratched and that staph just gets a grip on you and gets a hold of you and starts to go And then it gets systemic. 0.99

01:05:52.000 I mean, fucking people die from that stuff. 0.99

01:05:54.000 They really do. 1.00

01:05:55.000 Staph infection, especially that MRSA stuff.

01:05:58.000 Man, there's a...

01:05:59.000 Do you remember Kevin Randleman, the UFC fighter?

01:06:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:01.000 He had the most horrific staph infection I've ever seen in my life where he had holes where he would lift up his arm and you could see a hole in his underarm.

01:06:12.000 We see his muscle all...

01:06:15.000 I mean, through the skin.

01:06:16.000 Look at this.

01:06:16.000 He'll show...

01:06:17.000 Look at it.

01:06:17.000 You see it up there?

01:06:18.000 Good Lord.

01:06:19.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 Like, look at that.

01:06:21.000 Go large with that. 1.00

01:06:23.000 Look at that fucking hole. 1.00

01:06:24.000 That red stuff that you see in there, that is his chest muscle. 1.00

01:06:28.000 And he died young, man.

01:06:30.000 And I think it probably had a lot to do with that.

01:06:33.000 And I think what happened with Kevin is, if I'm not mistaken, he just let it go a little too long.

01:06:38.000 And that medication-resistant staph infection, that MRSA stuff, that's the scary stuff.

01:06:43.000 Because that's stuff that's evolved in hospitals and in Because of people using antibiotics and just...

01:06:49.000 Yeah, I do my best not to take the antibiotics if I can.

01:06:53.000 But if you get that stuff, you gotta take it. 0.99

01:06:55.000 They gotta fucking lock you in a hotel room, or in a hospital room, rather, and they just IV the fuck out of you. 0.99

01:07:00.000 And I have buddies that were there for weeks. 1.00

01:07:02.000 My friend Denny, his knee was fucked. 0.99

01:07:06.000 I mean, he has an opening on his leg like a salmon got gutted. 0.99

01:07:10.000 And they had to go in there and just pull out pus and constantly try to disinfect the area. 0.94

01:07:16.000 And he was in the hospital for a long time just dealing with his knee.

01:07:20.000 And this is from jiu-jitsu.

01:07:22.000 From jiu-jitsu.

01:07:23.000 Yeah, I mean, he's a world champion.

01:07:25.000 His knee started swelling up and he wound up going in.

01:07:28.000 Let's do Muay Thai.

01:07:30.000 They get it too, though, man.

01:07:32.000 Here's my key.

01:07:33.000 So many UFC fighters get it, and they wind up fighting on antibiotics because of it, because they're fighting it off.

01:07:38.000 You know, Kevin Lee, when he fought Tony Ferguson, as he walked into the octagon, I was looking at his chest.

01:07:43.000 I was like, that is a staph infection.

01:07:45.000 He's got a staph infection on his chest.

01:07:46.000 And he wound up getting staph, apparently, the week of the fight.

01:07:49.000 And he was like, you know what?

01:07:50.000 We're just going to have to fight.

01:07:52.000 We're just going to have to deal with it.

01:07:53.000 Oh, jeez.

01:07:54.000 But for him, like for Tony Ferguson, he's fighting a guy with staff.

01:07:58.000 You can get staff from fighting a guy with staff.

01:08:01.000 You can get staff from other people, too.

01:08:04.000 Wow. 0.99

01:08:04.000 Nasty. 0.99

01:08:05.000 Yeah, it's cooties. 0.98

01:08:07.000 Let's not do that.

01:08:08.000 My friend Ari was limping around a pool table once. 0.54

01:08:10.000 We were playing pool.

01:08:11.000 He's limping.

01:08:11.000 I was like, what's going on?

01:08:13.000 He goes, I got a spider bite.

01:08:14.000 I'm like, let me see.

01:08:15.000 He pulls up his knee.

01:08:16.000 I go, stop.

01:08:18.000 No, staph.

01:08:19.000 I unscrew my cue.

01:08:20.000 I go, dude, we're going to the hospital right now.

01:08:22.000 He goes, are you serious? 0.99

01:08:23.000 I go, fuck yeah, I'm serious. 1.00

01:08:24.000 I go, you could die. 1.00

01:08:25.000 I go, that is huge. 1.00

01:08:27.000 You have a pussy filled up staph infection on your knee that's compromising the way you walk. 1.00

01:08:31.000 I go, that thing is going to get systemic and it's going to get in your fucking brain. 1.00

01:08:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:35.000 My dad got bit by a brown recluse. 1.00

01:08:37.000 That's bad.

01:08:38.000 And he went to the hospital that is in an area that has brown recluse, right? 1.00

01:08:42.000 Oh, so they knew what to do?

01:08:43.000 No.

01:08:44.000 That's the problem with our hospital.

01:08:45.000 They're like, eh, you know, here, put some of this on there.

01:08:48.000 He's like, I think there's something else wrong.

01:08:51.000 So he comes back a day later going, what do these rings mean?

01:08:55.000 It means now he's got a hole in his leg that he's having to stick gauze in all day long and changing gauze twice a day.

01:09:01.000 And he still has a dent in his leg where it ate away.

01:09:05.000 What could they have done if they caught it early?

01:09:07.000 Just give him the antibiotics.

01:09:09.000 Right away.

01:09:09.000 You know what?

01:09:10.000 We're not sure.

01:09:11.000 Just take this.

01:09:12.000 They didn't do that.

01:09:13.000 Just take this.

01:09:14.000 Make sure.

01:09:15.000 All they had to do.

01:09:16.000 All they had to do.

01:09:18.000 Deal with that thing for a month.

01:09:20.000 Crater in his leg.

01:09:22.000 Makes me nervous about hospitals when you hear about nurses that Get off on killing people. 1.00

01:09:26.000 Every so often, there's some nurse who just gave people lethal injections and shit. 1.00

01:09:31.000 Great movie. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Makes a great movie.

01:09:33.000 It does.

01:09:35.000 By the way, if you're a nurse, I'm sure you're awesome.

01:09:38.000 It's not you.

01:09:39.000 I love nurses. 1.00

01:09:41.000 I love doctors.

01:09:41.000 I love all those people.

01:09:43.000 All healthcare practitioners and first responders.

01:09:46.000 And lawyers.

01:09:47.000 Yep, them too. 1.00

01:09:48.000 But there are some dirty people out there. 1.00

01:09:50.000 They're monsters. 1.00

01:09:52.000 Just happen to be nurses. 0.99

01:09:53.000 Right.

01:09:56.000 Spiders. 1.00

01:09:57.000 Cunty fucking spiders. 1.00

01:09:58.000 Putting holes in your leg. 1.00

01:10:00.000 Yeah, I called my dad spider bait for a long time. 0.87

01:10:02.000 You live around rattlesnakes too.

01:10:04.000 You got serious rattlesnakes where you live.

01:10:06.000 Well, the rattlesnakes are pretty good about just...

01:10:09.000 Letting you know?

01:10:10.000 Yeah.

01:10:10.000 Yeah, they just let you know.

01:10:12.000 They just kind of go on their way.

01:10:13.000 They don't really want anything to do with you.

01:10:14.000 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 The tarantulas, same thing.

01:10:19.000 They just kind of go the other way.

01:10:20.000 Tarantulas look terrifying, but apparently they're pretty docile.

01:10:24.000 They're pretty cool.

01:10:24.000 Yeah, they're awesome.

01:10:25.000 They just hang out.

01:10:28.000 It's the tarantula hawks you've got to watch out for.

01:10:32.000 What's that?

01:10:32.000 Tarantula hawk.

01:10:34.000 Is that a giant bee?

01:10:35.000 A bee-looking thing?

01:10:36.000 Bring it up. 1.00

01:10:37.000 Fuck these things. 1.00

01:10:40.000 What is it? 1.00

01:10:41.000 Can I get a photo?

01:10:43.000 Oh, the world is so scary.

01:10:46.000 Did you hear two people got bit in Florida in an hour by sharks today?

01:10:50.000 I'm not sure which one it is.

01:10:51.000 Somebody can chime in.

01:10:52.000 Oh, Jesus, that thing's big.

01:10:54.000 Okay, yeah, I've seen these things before. 1.00

01:10:56.000 Fuck, that's huge. 0.99

01:10:57.000 They find a tarantula, they jump on it, they infect it with their eggs, and so the tarantula's like... 1.00

01:11:05.000 Oh, I made it out of there.

01:11:07.000 And then wanders off and then dies and the larvae come out of the tarantula. 1.00

01:11:13.000 Oh, nature, you dirty bitch. 1.00

01:11:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:17.000 So their sting is like, you know, top five.

01:11:23.000 Like a bullet ant? 1.00

01:11:24.000 Like that kind of shit? 1.00

01:11:25.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:11:25.000 Like a centipede. 1.00

01:11:27.000 Centipede's on the list, but like not above.

01:11:29.000 Centipede?

01:11:31.000 Really?

01:11:31.000 That's why you have one on you?

01:11:33.000 Is that you, bro?

01:11:34.000 You giving people the bite?

01:11:35.000 No, that's me being terrified of centipedes.

01:11:38.000 No, that's your right hand, right?

01:11:39.000 Hey, you know what?

01:11:41.000 Now I have my ring name.

01:11:43.000 Yeah.

01:11:44.000 I'm the centipede.

01:11:45.000 He's the centipede!

01:11:47.000 No, centipedes are just...

01:11:48.000 There's those things that cause me to shriek like my grandmother and jump up on a counter.

01:11:55.000 Maynard!

01:11:55.000 The centipede!

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 It's got a ring to it.

01:12:00.000 I like it.

01:12:02.000 Yeah, they're creepy.

01:12:03.000 Maybe I'll fight Tom Cruise.

01:12:04.000 Have you ever seen a centipede attack a mouse?

01:12:06.000 No.

01:12:07.000 Dude.

01:12:09.000 So apparently the centipede sting is not as intense as the tarantula hawk, from what I read.

01:12:16.000 I don't know.

01:12:17.000 I don't know who's doing this, but there's...

01:12:19.000 They need to...

01:12:20.000 Like, I don't know, man.

01:12:21.000 Word hurts.

01:12:22.000 Word hurts.

01:12:22.000 The tasers, the pepper spray.

01:12:24.000 Get back to jackass level. 0.89

01:12:26.000 How do you know at a certain moment? 0.97

01:12:28.000 Once you get to that bullet ant level, it's supposed to be like getting your arm slammed in a car door for 24 hours.

01:12:34.000 How do you know there's something worse than that?

01:12:37.000 You have another one that's really bad, too. 1.00

01:12:39.000 It's like, yeah, her fucking also sucks. 1.00

01:12:42.000 Pay just $500 to get yourself stung by a tarantula hawk, and we'll see what happens. 1.00

01:12:45.000 How long does it last?

01:12:46.000 I don't know.

01:12:47.000 That's the thing.

01:12:49.000 Ooh, this is...

01:12:49.000 This guy did it.

01:12:50.000 This is a crazy guy. 0.94

01:12:51.000 He has a YouTube channel where he does this. 0.93

01:12:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:53.000 What is that guy's name again?

01:12:55.000 Coyote...

01:12:56.000 Yeah.

01:12:56.000 What did he get stung by?

01:12:57.000 I was talking to him for a while.

01:13:00.000 I think we're supposed to get him on the podcast.

01:13:03.000 What is his name again?

01:13:03.000 Coyote what?

01:13:05.000 His channel's called Brave Wilderness.

01:13:07.000 Here he goes. 1.00

01:13:09.000 Fucker! 1.00

01:13:10.000 Bang! 1.00

01:13:11.000 Look, he's doing it to himself.

01:13:13.000 Get me!

01:13:14.000 Ah!

01:13:15.000 Look at him.

01:13:16.000 Cover it back up first.

01:13:17.000 I wouldn't even put that jar back on.

01:13:19.000 I'd be like weeping.

01:13:21.000 Whoa.

01:13:23.000 Coyote Wilson?

01:13:23.000 What's his name?

01:13:25.000 It just says Coyote right here.

01:13:27.000 I thought it would say his whole name.

01:13:29.000 Coyote gets stung. 1.00

01:13:31.000 Find out this gentleman's name because I feel like an asshole now. 1.00

01:13:34.000 Coyote Peterson. 1.00

01:13:35.000 Coyote Peterson.

01:13:36.000 Why don't I call him Coyote Wilson?

01:13:39.000 Look at him there.

01:13:40.000 Ow! 1.00

01:13:41.000 That is not wise.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, but neither is that leather hat he's wearing, so what are you going to do?

01:13:46.000 The bracelets look questionable as well.

01:13:48.000 I think he said this was the worst of anything.

01:13:50.000 He has like two-tone pants on, too.

01:13:51.000 What's up with the pants?

01:13:52.000 That's the worst of anything he's ever done?

01:13:54.000 He goes and finds everything that's the worst thing you can do and does the video like this, watch him deal with it.

01:14:00.000 There's quite a few of those guys.

01:14:02.000 What a weird way to make a living. 1.00

01:14:05.000 Get fucked up by nature. 0.99

01:14:07.000 Worked for Johnny Knoxville. 1.00

01:14:09.000 I want to show you a video of a centipede killing a mouse.

01:14:12.000 That's what I had here.

01:14:13.000 I was going to show you that.

01:14:13.000 They're horrific.

01:14:15.000 Centipede verse typed in and there's a whole bunch of things that pop up.

01:14:19.000 Take your pick of what you want to see.

01:14:20.000 Go with mouse because it's particularly aggressive in the way they attack mice.

01:14:25.000 Eat mice?

01:14:26.000 Go third down. 0.62

01:14:27.000 Third down.

01:14:27.000 Watch this.

01:14:29.000 Watch this.

01:14:29.000 The mouse is like, hey, I'm just a mouse.

01:14:31.000 I'm kind of cute.

01:14:31.000 Just chilling.

01:14:33.000 Hanging out here in this weird blue floor. 1.00

01:14:35.000 Oh, fucking Jesus Christ! 0.99

01:14:37.000 The thing about Centipedes, too, is they don't just say, am I hungry? 1.00

01:14:41.000 No.

01:14:42.000 They know what they do. 1.00

01:14:43.000 And what they do is fuck up a mouse. 1.00

01:14:46.000 That is right out of the movie Alien. 0.98

01:14:48.000 Right?

01:14:49.000 Oh, my God, dude.

01:14:50.000 The mouse is like, Jesus! 1.00

01:14:53.000 Fucking Jesus! 1.00

01:14:54.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:14:55.000 He's already dead. 0.99

01:14:57.000 I mean, that is goddamn crazy. 1.00

01:14:59.000 The mouse is way bigger than him, and he's burrowing into his fucking spine right now while it's twitching and trying to stay alive. 0.99

01:15:06.000 The thing about it that's so creepy is it's not necessarily hungry. 0.99

01:15:10.000 Like, it just, that's what it does.

01:15:13.000 It sees things, it kills it.

01:15:15.000 I'm like, oh, I'm here with a mouse.

01:15:17.000 It's like a bison and a nine-year-old.

01:15:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:19.000 It's like I'm here with a mouse in this weird little fucking environment that doesn't seem natural at all, but I'm not going to think about that. 1.00

01:15:26.000 I'm just going to kill this fucking mouse. 1.00

01:15:29.000 That's what's important. 1.00

01:15:30.000 Not why am I in this fish tank.

01:15:32.000 I put one on me.

01:15:33.000 Why did I do that?

01:15:34.000 Why did you?

01:15:35.000 Because I'm afraid of these things.

01:15:37.000 So you put it on you?

01:15:37.000 Yeah.

01:15:38.000 What else are you afraid of?

01:15:39.000 You got divorce papers on your arm somewhere?

01:15:41.000 Somewhere.

01:15:43.000 No, I just, you know, I got to put something on.

01:15:48.000 I had a friend do some tattoos.

01:15:49.000 I have the snake, too.

01:15:51.000 The rattlesnake on me.

01:15:53.000 So the things that you're afraid of, you put on.

01:15:55.000 Yeah.

01:15:55.000 Well, this side is dragons, because I'm Year of the Dragon, but this is like where I live and what I'm afraid of.

01:16:01.000 Like the Mickey Rourke movie?

01:16:03.000 I don't know that movie.

01:16:04.000 You don't know The Year of the Dragon?

01:16:06.000 Back with Mickey Rourke before he went crazy.

01:16:08.000 All right. 0.99

01:16:09.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

01:16:10.000 Young Mickey Rourke. 0.99

01:16:11.000 Young Mickey Rourke and old...

01:16:13.000 There's two different humans.

01:16:14.000 Young Mickey Rourke and old Mickey Rourke.

01:16:16.000 Young Mickey Rourke was this super serious, amazing actor who did fantastic films.

01:16:21.000 Like, really good...

01:16:22.000 Angel Heart.

01:16:23.000 Yeah, Angel Heart.

01:16:25.000 So didn't he get in a motorcycle accident and bonk his head?

01:16:30.000 Is that what happened to push him over the edge?

01:16:34.000 Yeah, here's a trailer of it.

01:16:35.000 No, he became a boxer.

01:16:38.000 He boxed as an amateur when he was young, and then when he was an actor, I think, if I had to guess, and I'm going to just paraphrase, and I apologize if I got it wrong, but I think he felt like Hollywood and acting, and I know he's been quoted on this,

01:16:54.000 was so fake and And so, for lack of a better term, feminine. 0.96

01:16:59.000 It was so soft and bullshit that he felt like he had to do something real again. 0.98

01:17:05.000 So he started boxing again as a world-famous movie star. 0.99

01:17:09.000 And got punchy.

01:17:10.000 He started sparring with James Toney and a bunch of other guys, a bunch of legit boxers.

01:17:16.000 And from what I heard, James Toney used to just touch him up every day.

01:17:20.000 And, of course, you don't want to be that guy.

01:17:22.000 You can't hang. 0.99

01:17:23.000 So he's in there taking fucking jabs to the face and right hands to the face and left hooks to the face and uppercuts to the face. 1.00

01:17:30.000 And his face got deformed. 1.00

01:17:32.000 And then he wound up getting like cheek implants and a bunch of weird shit. 0.98

01:17:35.000 Right. 0.92

01:17:35.000 He got a bunch of weird facial surgery and stuff. 0.92

01:17:37.000 I don't...

01:17:38.000 I think he started losing his mind.

01:17:40.000 But I think CTE played a factor there.

01:17:43.000 To me, it's a logical correlation.

01:17:46.000 It's like, here's a guy who's this world-famous, amazing movie star.

01:17:51.000 Nine and a half weeks and all these other big-time movies. 0.99

01:17:54.000 He's a fucking blockbuster movie star. 0.99

01:17:56.000 And an interesting movie star. 1.00

01:17:57.000 Like a really good actor. 0.92

01:17:59.000 And then all of a sudden, he becomes this crazy guy. 0.52

01:18:02.000 And in between them, he's getting punched in the face a bunch of times.

01:18:05.000 Like, it doesn't take a genius to make these connections.

01:18:09.000 I know a lot of guys that were pretty normal when they were young, and then somewhere into their MMA career, they lost it, and they went off the rails.

01:18:18.000 There's a growing list of those guys.

01:18:20.000 A growing list, yeah.

01:18:21.000 And some gals are on that list as well. 1.00

01:18:24.000 Okay.

01:18:24.000 Yeah.

01:18:25.000 So it's, the gals are, as they, as Ronda Rousey's opened up the door for women's MMA to become more popular, there's going to be more and more women that are taking more punishment, including ones that you're never going to see inside the UFC. And the other thing is, 1.00

01:18:41.000 like, just training.

01:18:42.000 If you just decide, I just, I don't want to fight, but I want to train.

01:18:45.000 That counts.

01:18:46.000 All that stuff counts.

01:18:47.000 All those...

01:18:48.000 Right.

01:18:48.000 So are you sparring when you're doing Muay Thai?

01:18:50.000 No!

01:18:51.000 Hell no.

01:18:51.000 Thank you, smart man.

01:18:52.000 I love you.

01:18:53.000 I'm just trying to get in shape and stretch, you know?

01:18:56.000 Yeah.

01:18:56.000 What about yoga?

01:18:57.000 You fuck with yoga? 1.00

01:18:58.000 I do yoga. 1.00

01:19:00.000 Yoga is awesome.

01:19:01.000 I do it on my own sometimes.

01:19:03.000 It's my hotel room.

01:19:04.000 That's all we do.

01:19:05.000 My wife and I, she has an online service.

01:19:10.000 We do that.

01:19:11.000 We are opening.

01:19:12.000 I just bought a new place. 1.00

01:19:14.000 You've got to open up a fucking yoga school? 1.00

01:19:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:16.000 Jesus Christ, man.

01:19:17.000 How are you doing all these things?

01:19:18.000 I'm not doing it.

01:19:20.000 I'm...

01:19:21.000 I know, but how much bandwidth does that eat up?

01:19:25.000 The fact that someone else is doing something that you're a part of, and even though you delegate, you still have to figure out what that person's doing.

01:19:31.000 Hey, why is our business going under, and Mike's driving a Rolls Royce?

01:19:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:36.000 Right.

01:19:36.000 Those kind of things.

01:19:37.000 Yeah.

01:19:38.000 Well, I got a lot of good people around me.

01:19:39.000 We have a nice little community.

01:19:41.000 So you just stay chill, take your CBD, drink your port?

01:19:44.000 We just look at the, what's the business plan?

01:19:46.000 Is it going to, is, you know, I think that's the, that was very good for me because, you know, we lived within our means when I was a kid in Michigan.

01:19:57.000 My parents were high school teachers, which not a huge pay, right?

01:20:01.000 So we're leaving, you know, living paycheck to paycheck in a way, putting some money away, but You know, grew on food.

01:20:07.000 He would hunt, put meat in the freezer.

01:20:11.000 But then getting into all of a sudden now, you know, cut to many years later, then there's band and there's like, there's touring money and there's stuff and you kind of lose touch with understanding that most businesses operate on a 10% margin.

01:20:24.000 You know, so getting back to those kind of things to look at this because I'm moving my jiu-jitsu academy to another building.

01:20:30.000 We're going to put in the bag.

01:20:31.000 We're going to put in kind of a yoga area.

01:20:33.000 That's right. 0.99

01:20:33.000 You own a goddamn jiu-jitsu academy too. 0.99

01:20:35.000 Right. 1.00

01:20:35.000 Wow. 1.00

01:20:36.000 But, you know, looking at it, trying to make it work, it's a puzzle that's worth solving.

01:20:44.000 Because if you understand how to survive this thing on that microcosm, that you can survive a lot of things, right? 0.89

01:20:51.000 You can make sure that when shit doesn't go the way you want it to go...

01:20:55.000 You've done the work to figure out how to survive in those extreme circumstances in terms of business, in terms of if the economy goes the way it goes. 0.98

01:21:05.000 And if not, we've got greenhouses and we have some wine.

01:21:08.000 So we'll eat some salad and drink wine.

01:21:12.000 It's a good way to think.

01:21:14.000 But I just can't believe how many different irons you have in the fire.

01:21:19.000 And I know you're delegating.

01:21:20.000 I know you have good people around you, but God, that's so much.

01:21:23.000 Do you ever think of simplifying?

01:21:26.000 Do you ever think, like, maybe I should just, like, pare this stuff down?

01:21:29.000 In a way, we are.

01:21:31.000 And I think this next couple years, the last couple years has been that, like establishing something in Arizona, establishing the green, establishing the vineyards, establishing the businesses.

01:21:40.000 We've kind of branched out in various ways, but I feel like, in a way, we're expanding to retract.

01:21:46.000 So once we figure out what works, we're going to bring it all back in, centralize everything, make it simpler, and it's way more sustainable at that point.

01:21:56.000 Right now, we're kind of extended.

01:21:57.000 We're all over the place, kind of doing things.

01:22:00.000 You know, getting a few rounds in, getting some sparring in, once, twice a week, three times a week.

01:22:07.000 Then, you know, having the vineyards going on, because that's hard work, too.

01:22:10.000 I don't really have time to train jiu-jitsu or do Muay Thai or any of that, you know.

01:22:14.000 But you seem to enjoy all these different varieties of experiences, too.

01:22:19.000 Like Puccifer, Perfect Circle, Tool, Vineyard, Restaurant, Jiu-Jitsu Academy.

01:22:25.000 It's like you seem to enjoy having all these different plates spinning.

01:22:29.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:22:30.000 Yeah.

01:22:31.000 It's my dopamine.

01:22:32.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 If I'm going to have an addiction, at least there's going to be some community attached to it.

01:22:38.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:22:39.000 It's like you seem to enjoy having all these little puzzles.

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:44.000 There's little things going on.

01:22:45.000 Yes.

01:22:46.000 Absolutely.

01:22:48.000 The puzzles are important.

01:22:49.000 Keep you alive, keep you relevant, keep you fresh.

01:22:52.000 Yeah.

01:22:53.000 Goals, puzzles, deadlines, harvest.

01:22:59.000 Harvest is great because it's not up to you.

01:23:02.000 You're marching to the beat of a whole different drummer at that point.

01:23:06.000 And how do you schedule touring?

01:23:08.000 Do you schedule touring directly by when your harvest season is and how the wineries work?

01:23:15.000 Yeah, I mean, luckily, with Tool, we're popular enough to where we can get offers.

01:23:20.000 We can do the touring, you know, any time during the year.

01:23:23.000 Nothing's going to really adjust or affect how, you know, what we make as a living for doing that touring.

01:23:30.000 Something like Pussifer, way harder puzzle.

01:23:34.000 It seems smaller, it seems like it's not on the same scale, but in a way it's a more difficult scale because there's less margin for error.

01:23:40.000 So when we tour with that, it has to be a very specific way we do it because you've got to make sure that we don't pay to do it, right?

01:23:47.000 I just started thinking about that thing you did with, was it Ronda Rousey and who else was in there?

01:23:54.000 What else?

01:23:55.000 That guy you said was president.

01:23:56.000 Oh, that guy.

01:23:57.000 That's right.

01:23:57.000 Trump was in it.

01:23:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:23:59.000 I bet my balls and lost. 0.62

01:24:01.000 What year was that? 0.78

01:24:03.000 That was 15. That was before the elections?

01:24:06.000 Yeah.

01:24:07.000 I was like right when he announced that he was around the time.

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:13.000 That was good. 0.99

01:24:15.000 I remember when you said that to me, I was like, what the fuck is he doing? 0.99

01:24:19.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:24:22.000 Did you get all the different Ronda Rousey versions?

01:24:25.000 No, we've got Miss Chrissy Cyborgs in there. 1.00

01:24:31.000 We have Miss Holly Holm. 0.99

01:24:33.000 We have Kat Zingano.

01:24:35.000 We have me.

01:24:35.000 We have Ronda.

01:24:37.000 I'm the hot one.

01:24:40.000 Hilarious.

01:24:40.000 Now, again, where do you have the time to do this?

01:24:43.000 I didn't.

01:24:44.000 These are friends of mine who did the whole video.

01:24:46.000 I go, here's what I have in mind, and they were like, okay, we'll do it.

01:24:49.000 I don't animate.

01:24:51.000 I have no idea how to animate. 0.99

01:24:53.000 You got a lot of shit for this? 0.99

01:24:55.000 Uh, not really. 1.00

01:24:57.000 I mean, because it's just pure comedy, right?

01:25:00.000 It's like, it's not, you know, whatever. 0.99

01:25:02.000 I'm not, you know, I'm political to a point only when it's like, when it comes to assholes. 0.98

01:25:07.000 So I don't like, most politicians are easy targets because they're... 0.99

01:25:12.000 You already know they're lying.

01:25:14.000 They're speaking.

01:25:15.000 So it's good comedy right away.

01:25:17.000 I think the best comedy we've had in many years has been Trump because he sets them up for you.

01:25:23.000 He does, but what he's doing is so strange.

01:25:30.000 Because he's not even pretending to be what we think of as a president.

01:25:36.000 Like, he'll attack people on Twitter.

01:25:38.000 It's weird.

01:25:40.000 It's crazy.

01:25:41.000 It's weird.

01:25:42.000 I wonder if the thing we talked about, the 400-year line...

01:25:45.000 Okay, this is me going back to conspiracy theories.

01:25:47.000 Eddie didn't sneak in yet.

01:25:49.000 No, Eddie's working right now.

01:25:51.000 All right.

01:25:52.000 Teaching class.

01:25:53.000 Right. 0.99

01:25:55.000 I feel like it's almost like that is the distraction to keep us all divided and keep us all guessing what the fuck's going on. 0.99

01:26:03.000 On purpose? 0.98

01:26:04.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:26:04.000 Maybe.

01:26:05.000 If you're a good conspiracy theorist, you're going to put those connections together.

01:26:10.000 Look at every show that's ever gone like, okay, well, we find out that there's this meteor speeding toward Earth.

01:26:16.000 We can't tell anybody.

01:26:18.000 So if there's anything weird like that going on, there's a fungus that's going to kill everybody.

01:26:22.000 Don't tell them.

01:26:22.000 Just get everybody arguing.

01:26:24.000 Get them distracted by, you know, football!

01:26:27.000 Hey, who's your team?

01:26:28.000 Football, right?

01:26:29.000 You know, just the bread and circus of it all, right?

01:26:33.000 You get caught up in having food and some gladiators and you forget about your civic duty, right?

01:26:40.000 That would have to be...

01:26:44.000 Orchestrated by some genius component of our government that doesn't seem to exist in any other form.

01:26:50.000 I think it's accidental.

01:26:51.000 I don't think anybody's pulling the strings.

01:26:53.000 I think it's just like part of the progression of what happens.

01:26:56.000 Okay, like the Kali Yuga madness.

01:26:59.000 Yeah, it just happens.

01:27:00.000 So just because of the natural progression of where things are going, it just comes out as a symptom.

01:27:06.000 That makes more sense to me.

01:27:07.000 That makes more sense to me than this grand conspiracy.

01:27:11.000 Oh, no.

01:27:12.000 I don't think anybody's that organized.

01:27:14.000 No, I don't think so either.

01:27:16.000 I think there's chaos going on and people capitalizing on that chaos.

01:27:19.000 And I definitely think there's lying.

01:27:21.000 I definitely think there's conspiracies.

01:27:23.000 But I think more than anything, it's just this is the way the world is turning right now because of just...

01:27:29.000 How society is set up and how disconnected we are to the natural world and how connected we are to the digital world.

01:27:39.000 I don't think there's any way out, but I think in the interim, I feel like an attempt to reconnect is going to help.

01:27:48.000 I think generationally there's a way out.

01:27:51.000 The problem is for our generation I don't know if there's a way out.

01:27:54.000 I think especially people like us that grew up without any sort of internet and then have watched it transform and completely take over the world.

01:28:04.000 Whereas the idea of a world without internet is impossible to us.

01:28:09.000 It doesn't even compute.

01:28:10.000 But we grew up without it.

01:28:12.000 So what happened?

01:28:13.000 Well we were taken over.

01:28:14.000 We're taken over by some sort of digital entity. 0.99

01:28:18.000 I don't think for us, I think that this world has to be figured out by the people that recognize that we've fucked up. 0.60

01:28:25.000 Like we were talking about learning from mistakes. 0.65

01:28:28.000 Learn from other people's mistakes.

01:28:29.000 Well, they're going to learn from our mistakes.

01:28:31.000 They're going to learn from our mistakes and they're going to be people who grew up just like...

01:28:36.000 I mean, like every other really fucked up part of human civilization that people have managed to overcome and avoid, whether it's slavery or war with bows and arrows, like, they've figured out, like, that was not the way to do it.

01:28:51.000 Let's move past this. 0.71

01:28:52.000 Let's figure out what the folly of our ancestors was, and let's adjust accordingly.

01:28:58.000 I agree with that.

01:28:59.000 As long as we don't Poison the earth.

01:29:01.000 As long as we don't make...

01:29:03.000 Say, if you're in Arizona, that's a hot spot.

01:29:06.000 Like, actually hot.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, we got a lot of water there.

01:29:10.000 You have lots of water.

01:29:12.000 Where you are?

01:29:13.000 Just in general, Arizona has water.

01:29:15.000 That's what, you know, you drive by those lawns and pools and riverside and Palm Springs.

01:29:19.000 That's Arizona water.

01:29:20.000 Is it really?

01:29:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:22.000 I thought that shit was like... 1.00

01:29:23.000 Colorado River. 1.00

01:29:24.000 Yeah.

01:29:25.000 Yeah, you have all the mountain ranges around Arizona and down through Colorado.

01:29:28.000 All that kind of filters that way.

01:29:30.000 That's the Salton Sea.

01:29:33.000 That's all because of that Colorado River. 0.99

01:29:35.000 You ever fuck around with that place? 0.99

01:29:36.000 Jen just went through there. 0.99

01:29:38.000 She showed me a bunch of photos.

01:29:39.000 It's pretty amazing.

01:29:40.000 It's insane.

01:29:41.000 Most people don't even know what it is.

01:29:43.000 There's an amazing documentary on it.

01:29:45.000 She just bought it, so I'm gonna watch it. 0.99

01:29:48.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98

01:29:51.000 That used to be a place where everyone from Hollywood went. 0.99

01:29:55.000 They would call it the Inland Riviera.

01:29:57.000 Like, California's Riviera!

01:29:59.000 And they would go there, and Sonny Bono, while he was alive, was trying to figure out a way to detoxify the water and pass bills, because a lot of it is runoff from the agriculture from north.

01:30:10.000 Yeah.

01:30:11.000 It's crazy.

01:30:13.000 The people that live around there, it's just a rotten wasteland.

01:30:16.000 Look at that.

01:30:17.000 All the dead fish.

01:30:19.000 Around the sea, it's like sand, but it's white.

01:30:25.000 And it's not sand.

01:30:26.000 It's actually the bones of dead fish.

01:30:29.000 But it's so prevalent that you would think that it's sand. 0.97

01:30:34.000 What a crazy-ass place that is.

01:30:38.000 That's one of those places where it's worse all the time. 0.98

01:30:42.000 And apparently if you're in Palm Springs during certain times of the year, it wafts over and hits you.

01:30:46.000 They have dead zones where millions of tilapia will just wind up on the beach dead and just rotting and smelling.

01:30:56.000 Have you seen all the grasshoppers in Vegas?

01:30:58.000 Yes.

01:30:58.000 It's crazy.

01:30:59.000 That's in the Bible.

01:31:00.000 Yeah.

01:31:01.000 It's in the Bible.

01:31:02.000 That is.

01:31:03.000 That's locusts.

01:31:04.000 That's what locusts are.

01:31:05.000 Locusts are grasshoppers.

01:31:07.000 Jesus is trying to tell us something.

01:31:10.000 Stay out of Vegas.

01:31:14.000 Or don't.

01:31:15.000 You can eat grasshoppers, too.

01:31:17.000 That's the other thing.

01:31:17.000 They're quite tasty.

01:31:19.000 Forgot about that part.

01:31:20.000 We will find a way to survive.

01:31:22.000 Do you guys have those javelinas near you?

01:31:24.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:31:25.000 That's a creepy little fucker, isn't it? 1.00

01:31:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:27.000 They will tear up an entire vineyard in one night. 1.00

01:31:29.000 Oh, will they really? 0.98

01:31:30.000 Yeah, they're crazy.

01:31:32.000 You see a lot of guys in Texas that the boar are running wild there, so they'll give you permits and in a helicopter you go over.

01:31:39.000 The boar herd that's just destroying agriculture, they'll go over and they'll try to thin them out, but it's like, there's just no stopping it.

01:31:48.000 We don't have that much of a problem with the javelina in Arizona, but it is a problem.

01:31:54.000 Yeah, well, that's at least a wild, natural animal.

01:31:57.000 It was introduced.

01:31:58.000 Javelina was?

01:31:59.000 Yeah.

01:31:59.000 Really?

01:32:00.000 I didn't know that.

01:32:00.000 By who?

01:32:01.000 What piece of shit brought that goddamn thing over there? 1.00

01:32:04.000 Yeah, I had no idea. 1.00

01:32:04.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:32:05.000 But it's not native to the area.

01:32:07.000 It was brought in.

01:32:08.000 That's what I was told.

01:32:10.000 Oh, I need to know that.

01:32:11.000 It's a peccary. 0.98

01:32:12.000 It looks like a pig, but it's a peccary, which is like a cousin to a pig. 0.98

01:32:16.000 Like a rat or something. 0.97

01:32:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.73

01:32:18.000 Between a rat and a pig somewhere.

01:32:19.000 Doug Stanhope lives down in Arizona, and he said his neighbor's dog got killed by a pack of javelina.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, because the problem was the dog chased the javelina.

01:32:29.000 The male flipped around while the kids and the other part of the herd took off, and he went, oh! 0.89

01:32:36.000 And he, like, gored him.

01:32:38.000 You think?

01:32:39.000 Yeah, because we had a Doug Argentino that almost...

01:32:42.000 Died because of it.

01:32:43.000 That's a big dog.

01:32:44.000 And that little male javelino whipped around. 0.96

01:32:49.000 And it's like trying to fight Mike Tyson.

01:32:51.000 It's like it's this compact thing with spikes.

01:32:54.000 They're a really unusual animal to hunt because they respond to calls the way you wish animals would respond to a call.

01:33:02.000 Like if you're trying to call on an elk and you're like, meh, meh.

01:33:05.000 They're like, hmm, maybe I'll come over there.

01:33:06.000 Is that a chick? 1.00

01:33:07.000 She's looking for some dick. 1.00

01:33:09.000 They'll get close and they'll try to figure out which way the wind's blowing. 1.00

01:33:13.000 With a javelina, what you do is you make these sounds like a wounded animal.

01:33:17.000 Like they have these little predator calls where it's like...

01:33:21.000 Well, you're making something like something's writhing in agony and making noises, and they sprint towards it.

01:33:28.000 And then when they realize that it's not what they want, they try to turn around. 0.97

01:33:31.000 That's when you shoot them. 0.98

01:33:32.000 But they run like no other animal to a predator, because they live in this horrible environment in the desert, and it's all mountain lions and jaguars and whatever the fuck else lives out there. 0.99

01:33:43.000 Yeah, they're weird, too.

01:33:44.000 You see them, and there's this silhouette.

01:33:55.000 It's like a flounder.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, it really is, or weird. 0.99

01:34:02.000 It's a fucking strange... 0.98

01:34:03.000 Is that an introduced animal? 0.99

01:34:06.000 It says that it migrated from, like, South America and Mexico up over a couple centuries, but maybe someone brought it up first.

01:34:14.000 Well, the pigs are. 0.98

01:34:15.000 The pigs have only been here since the 1500s. 1.00

01:34:17.000 The Spaniards, those crazy Europeans, they brought them over here for food. 1.00

01:34:21.000 Like, well, just let these pigs go. 1.00

01:34:23.000 No one's going to care. 1.00

01:34:25.000 Right.

01:34:25.000 Next thing you know, they're in almost, you know, I think they're in every single county in Texas.

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:31.000 And they're making their way across the country.

01:34:33.000 They're just devastating things.

01:34:34.000 Yeah, they're in San Jose, Silicon Valley.

01:34:37.000 People's lawns are getting torn up by wild pig populations.

01:34:41.000 Yeah, not cool.

01:34:42.000 But they're tasty.

01:34:44.000 If you hit them right.

01:34:45.000 They have that gland. 1.00

01:34:47.000 You process it wrong and it's like, eh.

01:34:50.000 You just gotta know what you're doing. 1.00

01:34:51.000 Just don't fuck around with their glands. 1.00

01:34:54.000 Just like men. 1.00

01:34:56.000 You know?

01:34:56.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 Please leave my glands alone. 1.00

01:35:01.000 But that desert environment is such an interesting thing because you think it's desolate, but it's a really thriving ecosystem.

01:35:10.000 Yeah.

01:35:11.000 Just the simple things like our herbs and the tomatoes, things like that, they thrive.

01:35:18.000 They're very aromatic.

01:35:19.000 The basils and the rosemaries and things.

01:35:22.000 It's just really intense, intense stuff.

01:35:25.000 What kind of tomatoes do you grow?

01:35:26.000 Do you grow like an heirloom style of tomato?

01:35:28.000 Well, that doesn't really grow well.

01:35:30.000 The ones that really do well in our greenhouses are the little cherries or little pear tomatoes, those little smaller versions of tomatoes.

01:35:37.000 They do really well.

01:35:38.000 Why do they do better than the heirloom ones?

01:35:40.000 I think that they're, as far as flavor, I like them.

01:35:43.000 I think it's because just the size.

01:35:45.000 The skin contact, how much more compact they are.

01:35:49.000 There's just more flavor in one tomato.

01:35:51.000 Rather than the pulp being the flavor, I would imagine the skin in the outer part is actually more of the flavor than just the pulp.

01:35:58.000 I gotta get a greenhouse.

01:36:00.000 I really do.

01:36:01.000 That's something I've been thinking about a lot lately because I've had vegetables like when I said I just got back from Italy. 0.98

01:36:06.000 God damn their tomatoes taste good. 0.98

01:36:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:09.000 I mean you realize that tomato is actually a fruit.

01:36:11.000 Yeah and it tastes great.

01:36:12.000 They're amazing.

01:36:13.000 Yeah.

01:36:14.000 But you get a tomato over here from the grocery store and it might as well be a tennis ball.

01:36:18.000 I mean, it bounces like a tennis ball.

01:36:20.000 It lasts forever.

01:36:23.000 Yeah, our tomatoes don't, you know, I pick them because we're going to eat them today or tomorrow.

01:36:27.000 Yeah, that's the way to live, man.

01:36:30.000 That's how people are supposed to live. 0.99

01:36:32.000 This goddamn waiting forever to eat your food while it just sits on a shelf is nonsense. 1.00

01:36:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:39.000 I got used to that now that we have the greenhouses going for the last couple years.

01:36:44.000 It's like, you get that stuff, that's what we're making.

01:36:46.000 Do you have well water?

01:36:48.000 We're on the spring that comes down from Mingus Mountain.

01:36:52.000 Jerome is on spring water.

01:36:54.000 And then we have well down on the other sites.

01:36:57.000 So your tap water is spring water?

01:36:59.000 Wow!

01:37:00.000 So does anybody add anything to it?

01:37:03.000 Probably, yeah, because it's a town, so they don't have to treat it just to be safe.

01:37:09.000 Yeah, unfortunately.

01:37:11.000 When I lived in Colorado, we had a well.

01:37:13.000 We have three wells.

01:37:15.000 Each site has its own well.

01:37:17.000 Okay, so you get spring water from that.

01:37:19.000 We have ditch rights because we have the Oak Creek and the Page Spring is right there.

01:37:27.000 So we have water ditch rights that we actually irrigate.

01:37:30.000 The vineyard on those, but I went ahead and put in a well on every one of them just as a backup plan.

01:37:35.000 Did you get a guy with a stick trying to figure out where the water is, the diviner guy? 0.99

01:37:40.000 Does that shit work? 0.99

01:37:41.000 It works for us. 1.00

01:37:42.000 How is that real?

01:37:43.000 I don't know.

01:37:44.000 I don't know.

01:37:45.000 I had a buddy of mine who built a well on his property and he had the guy come over with a stick.

01:37:48.000 I'm like, I can't talk to you anymore.

01:37:50.000 I want to say like they know that there's a general area where the water is.

01:37:54.000 Yeah.

01:37:54.000 There's some dude with a cell phone in the corner going, watch this.

01:37:59.000 He's like, I think it's right here.

01:38:02.000 But he does the thing.

01:38:03.000 It's a timeline of practice.

01:38:05.000 But I've seen it.

01:38:06.000 I've seen it done where like he's just walking around.

01:38:09.000 It just goes down.

01:38:10.000 Really?

01:38:11.000 Let's go here.

01:38:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:38:13.000 How the fuck can that possibly be real? 0.99

01:38:15.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:38:16.000 It's good.

01:38:16.000 Here it is.

01:38:17.000 Here's this guy.

01:38:18.000 It's called water witching.

01:38:20.000 Water witching.

01:38:20.000 Oh, well, it's witchcraft.

01:38:21.000 Look at this guy. 1.00

01:38:22.000 Fuck this guy. 1.00

01:38:26.000 I'm looking at the way he's moving his hands. 1.00

01:38:27.000 Fuck her, too. 1.00

01:38:28.000 She's full of shit, too. 1.00

01:38:29.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:38:30.000 Oh, I'm not even controlling this.

01:38:32.000 Right here.

01:38:33.000 Right here. 0.99

01:38:35.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

01:38:40.000 That's nonsense. 1.00

01:38:41.000 That's like three-card money.

01:38:42.000 Hey, I've drilled four wells and they've all been four for four. 0.99

01:38:46.000 Maybe we should just try to drill a well out of the fucking blue. 0.99

01:38:50.000 Just flip a coin. 0.99

01:38:51.000 Just somewhere.

01:38:52.000 Yeah, ten paces right here.

01:38:55.000 Bam.

01:38:55.000 Oh, look, a well.

01:38:56.000 We're under a fucking network of wells. 1.00

01:38:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:39:00.000 The only thing I worry about wells is every movie where there's bad people, they always throw the bodies in a well.

01:39:07.000 You can't really fit the body down that 8-inch casing.

01:39:12.000 But you can try.

01:39:13.000 I mean, if you have yourself a little meat grinder or some hogs, I guess you're good. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Do you remember the well baby, the kid that fell down the well?

01:39:19.000 It took like days to get him out.

01:39:21.000 Baby Jessica.

01:39:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:24.000 It was her, right?

01:39:24.000 Yeah, I said him, yeah.

01:39:26.000 And she eventually became like a hot broad. 1.00

01:39:28.000 Here's another guy doing it.

01:39:30.000 This is called a dowser.

01:39:31.000 It might be multiple names.

01:39:33.000 Look at his sweater.

01:39:34.000 I'm not listening to this guy ever.

01:39:35.000 He has a bottle of water on the ground and he's like proving. 1.00

01:39:38.000 Well, how about we put a bottle of water where he doesn't know where it is, you assholes. 0.99

01:39:42.000 Yeah, blind him, right? 0.99

01:39:44.000 Look, he's moving his arms! 1.00

01:39:45.000 This guy's a dipshit. 1.00

01:39:47.000 He's like the worst magician ever. 1.00

01:39:48.000 He's literally like moving his arm. 0.71

01:39:50.000 Nothing under my sleeve and presto.

01:39:53.000 Watch his hands. 1.00

01:39:54.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:39:55.000 Fuck you, Melvin. 1.00

01:39:57.000 John Baker, professional dowser. 1.00

01:40:00.000 Professional hoser.

01:40:01.000 He's a hoser, this guy.

01:40:03.000 John, if you're listening, I'm sorry.

01:40:05.000 This is comedy.

01:40:06.000 I'm sure you're real.

01:40:07.000 I'm sure what you're doing is real, bro.

01:40:09.000 Let me see.

01:40:10.000 Let me see your hands.

01:40:11.000 Let me see your hands.

01:40:12.000 Let me see your hands.

01:40:14.000 What?

01:40:15.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:40:16.000 Look at it.

01:40:17.000 It's moving down.

01:40:19.000 Coincidentally, my hands are thrusting down at the same time.

01:40:23.000 Yeah.

01:40:24.000 Nonsense. 0.92

01:40:26.000 He's a professional dowser. 0.95

01:40:27.000 What's the name of the religion? 0.93

01:40:28.000 They have the snakes that bite him in the face. 0.93

01:40:30.000 Pentecostals.

01:40:31.000 Maybe he's one of those.

01:40:33.000 They're good at that.

01:40:34.000 Those are my favorite.

01:40:34.000 Those are the folks that talk in tongues.

01:40:37.000 No, Pentecostals talk in tongues.

01:40:38.000 I'm thinking I'm conflating them.

01:40:41.000 I don't think they necessarily are the snake handlers.

01:40:43.000 I was raised Southern Baptist and we did some tongues.

01:40:47.000 Did you?

01:40:48.000 Oh yeah.

01:40:49.000 Did you do that?

01:40:50.000 Like that one.

01:40:50.000 Really?

01:40:51.000 I didn't say it like that because that would be a sin.

01:40:56.000 Do you know, what's his name?

01:40:57.000 Is it Robert Paulson?

01:40:59.000 Is that the guy?

01:41:00.000 He's like the slick back hair preacher.

01:41:02.000 He does that.

01:41:03.000 He'll just be in the middle of talking about...

01:41:05.000 Robert Tilton.

01:41:06.000 That's right, Robert Tilton.

01:41:07.000 He's amazing.

01:41:11.000 That's Bible!

01:41:12.000 One of my all-time favorite quotes.

01:41:14.000 Every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye.

01:41:20.000 That's what he said.

01:41:21.000 You have the fartin' preacher video?

01:41:22.000 Yeah, that's him.

01:41:23.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 Yeah.

01:41:25.000 That's good.

01:41:25.000 He's a dowser as well.

01:41:27.000 Yes.

01:41:27.000 He's out there in the backyard with some sticks.

01:41:29.000 You have a flight to head back to your farm.

01:41:33.000 Yes, sir.

01:41:33.000 I think you have to leave quite soon.

01:41:35.000 Pretty soon.

01:41:36.000 So, congratulations on the release of the tool, entire library, streaming everywhere. 0.98

01:41:45.000 Congratulations on your vineyards, and your wine, and your yoga studio, and your jiu-jitsu studio, and your fucking crayon company, and your helicopter farm, whatever the fuck else you're doing. 0.92

01:41:58.000 Is there anything else you need to tell everybody about before we get out of here? 0.99

01:42:00.000 I don't know, man.

01:42:02.000 I'm just so excited we finished this record.

01:42:04.000 Well, listen, man, it's always great to see you, even ever briefly.

01:42:07.000 Next time, I'm going to come to your place and eat.

01:42:09.000 Okay.

01:42:09.000 Tell me when is a good time, and we'll figure it out, and I'll fly the missus up there, and we'll get some food and some wine.

01:42:15.000 All right.

01:42:16.000 Appreciate you, brother.

01:42:16.000 Thank you.

01:42:17.000 Thank you.

01:42:17.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 29, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1326 - Maynard James Keenan

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