The Joe Rogan Experience - September 12, 2019


Joe Rogan Experience #1351 - Dan Aykroyd

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Dan Aykroyd
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Dan Aykroyd walks his manager over the Niagara Falls and cooks eggs in the middle of the falls, while carrying his manager on his back. And it's a good thing he has a good stomach. Dan also talks about how many people have died trying to go over the falls and how many of them have died in the process of doing so. And he talks about a new invention he's working on that could make you feel like you're in a movie. And he gives us a quick run down of the history of people who have died at the bottom of the Falls and how they got there, and what they did to make it through the fall. And then he tells a story about how he's going to cook his manager's breakfast while carrying him across the falls with a small stove and a wheelbarrow, and the whole thing is done while he's on the back of the manager's chair and all on the other end of the table. And that's not even half as funny as it sounds! Guests: Comedian and actor Joe Pesci (The Office) joins us to talk about his trip to the falls to cook breakfast, and how he got to the other side of the Great Falls. Thanks to our sponsor, Non-Additive Vodka. Don't Tell Mom: Non-Advil Vodka! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Thank you for listening to this episode and share it on social media! Subscribe to our new podcast, Rate/subscribe and tell us what you think about it on Apple Podcasts, and leave us a rating and review on iTunes! and review us your thoughts on the podcast! Thanks for listening and review and review in your thoughts about the podcast on whatever you're listening to it on your favorite streaming platform! Send us a review and reviewing it on Podchrome and review it on it's the best moment of the week! Timestay is a review on Apple Music, and we'll send it to us on the next episode of That's a review! or a review of this week's episode of the podcast? Thanksgiving is a big thank you! - Timestarend and a shoutout on Instapod is a shout-out from a friend of his podcast is a day to someone else's podcast and a review from someone else is listening to the podcast and it's an ad on Insta!

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00:00:02.000 And we're live with Dan Aykroyd cutting oranges and doing a podcast at the same time.
00:00:07.000 Yes, it's kind of like walking from the tightrope between two buildings, chewing gum and looking up at the ceiling.
00:00:15.000 Have you ever heard of the guy who...
00:00:18.000 He was a tightrope walker at the turn of the century, and he was very famous.
00:00:22.000 I forget, he was a French guy.
00:00:24.000 He walked over Niagara Falls several times.
00:00:26.000 I know who you're talking about, yeah.
00:00:28.000 He was a French tightrope walker, and one of the things he did, Joe, was one morning he said, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to take my manager... 0.96
00:00:37.000 On my back, I'm going to take a small stove and I'm going to cook him breakfast in the middle of the falls, right over the falls.
00:00:43.000 And this is recorded of him having...
00:00:46.000 Can you imagine the manager, you know, the conversation there?
00:00:49.000 Okay, you're going to climb on my back.
00:00:51.000 We're going to the middle of the falls.
00:00:51.000 I'm going to make you breakfast.
00:00:52.000 I love you.
00:00:53.000 I love handling you, but no.
00:00:54.000 Really?
00:00:55.000 I have to do this?
00:00:56.000 So he took his manager on the back, out to the falls, cooked him eggs right there, and then walked to the other end of the falls with a stove, his manager, all on his back.
00:01:04.000 This is like, you know, these are feats that we hear about.
00:01:08.000 Did he cook in the middle?
00:01:10.000 He cooked in the middle of the falls.
00:01:11.000 He cooked eggs and I think flapjacks.
00:01:14.000 And all while handling his manager on his back and handling the stove and the whole thing.
00:01:18.000 There he is.
00:01:20.000 There he is.
00:01:21.000 There's the manager.
00:01:22.000 Oh my goodness.
00:01:22.000 Look.
00:01:23.000 Isn't that funny?
00:01:24.000 Yeah, Blondé, that was his name, yeah. 0.93
00:01:26.000 I want to see him cooking.
00:01:27.000 They must have had a photo.
00:01:27.000 Yeah.
00:01:28.000 They've got a wheelbarrow up there?
00:01:30.000 Yeah, yeah, a wheelbarrow.
00:01:31.000 He had the manager on his back.
00:01:32.000 There he is, the manager on the back, you see, taking him across.
00:01:35.000 Jesus Christ.
00:01:35.000 Yeah.
00:01:36.000 That's how you earn your keep as a manager.
00:01:38.000 I know, and I don't know whether...
00:01:40.000 There, there he is.
00:01:40.000 Look at the table and the chairs.
00:01:42.000 So that's what we're kind of up to here today.
00:01:42.000 Yeah.
00:01:44.000 And I know when I came in, I saw the beautiful bow equipment and all your workout equipment.
00:01:49.000 I was going to bring my pinball gun so I could bounce them off your stomach.
00:01:53.000 You have a pinball gun?
00:01:54.000 What is a pinball gun?
00:01:56.000 Well, I'm just making it up here.
00:01:57.000 I know you've got a hard stomach there and I could just see them bounce off.
00:02:01.000 And I said, you know, Joe, do you have a knife for the oranges?
00:02:03.000 And I knew you'd have a really nice, sharp hunting knife.
00:02:06.000 And he hauls this out, and here it is.
00:02:08.000 Tuckamore Custom Knives.
00:02:09.000 Oh, it's beautiful, beautiful.
00:02:10.000 Where are they out of?
00:02:11.000 I don't know.
00:02:12.000 It was a gift from my friend Donnie Vincent.
00:02:14.000 Brought it in for me.
00:02:15.000 Yeah, a thousand people died going over Niagara Falls, many of them suicides, and many of them, you know, just that went over in rafts, and that kid Roger who went over in a life jacket, and people in barrels who were actually intending to go over the falls and wanted to float down that far.
00:02:32.000 One guy survived.
00:02:33.000 He survived in a barrel.
00:02:33.000 A guy in a life jacket survived, and a couple of them in the barrel survived.
00:02:36.000 But the tribe of the Niagara Indians, the indigenous natives who lived at the bottom of the falls, We're overweight.
00:02:45.000 And why were they overweight?
00:02:47.000 Because they didn't run through the forest hunting.
00:02:49.000 They took all of the meat that came through the Niagara River and went over the falls and was dashed at the bottom of the falls.
00:02:55.000 The bears, the wolves, the moose, all of them who drowned in the falls, all this wildlife, and they just harvested the meat off the rocks at the bottom of the falls.
00:03:04.000 Oh, so they would just wait.
00:03:05.000 They would just wait, exactly, yeah.
00:03:06.000 Wow.
00:03:06.000 Yeah.
00:03:07.000 How many things get stuck?
00:03:08.000 That would seem like you'd be waiting a lot.
00:03:11.000 40 people every year fall over.
00:03:13.000 Every year right now?
00:03:14.000 Yeah.
00:03:15.000 Wow.
00:03:16.000 Oh my god.
00:03:17.000 40?
00:03:18.000 But I love upstate New York.
00:03:19.000 I love Niagara Falls, New York.
00:03:21.000 It's beautiful.
00:03:23.000 Architecture from the 30s and stuff.
00:03:25.000 It's so neat up there.
00:03:27.000 Yeah, it's a gorgeous part of the country.
00:03:29.000 Do you mind if I make a non-addedive vodka drink here for us?
00:03:32.000 This is your vodka company, and you base it...
00:03:35.000 I know you are a huge fan of extraterrestrials, and one of the things I'm very excited to talk to you about is that.
00:03:43.000 Sure, I brought you a book on all that.
00:03:45.000 Cool.
00:03:46.000 This is based on the Crystal Skulls, right?
00:03:49.000 Well, yeah, the package is based...
00:03:50.000 Look how gorgeous that is, folks.
00:03:51.000 This package is based on the crystal heads because we wanted to sell the idea of purity.
00:03:55.000 And you can see it's a nice, smiling, happy little skull.
00:03:58.000 It was designed by John Alexander, the great Texas artist.
00:04:02.000 This is our wheat version.
00:04:04.000 We have corn in here.
00:04:05.000 We have wheat in here.
00:04:06.000 And there's no cleaner vodka, I must say, on the planet.
00:04:09.000 We go to great lengths to make this a clean product.
00:04:12.000 Not only is the bottle beautiful, but the unique fluid inside is what has got us to 70 countries, over 50 million bottles sold.
00:04:19.000 We've won 12 gold medals.
00:04:20.000 We won the Perdexpo in Moscow for excellent taste out of 400 beverages.
00:04:24.000 And what we do is we take peaches and cream corn from Chatham, Ontario.
00:04:29.000 And we put it in the truck in the mash and we ship it 95% alcohol volume at that point and we take it over and we put it in the ferry boat and we bring it over to the distillery in Newfoundland, Canada.
00:04:39.000 The last, one of the last state-owned stills in the world.
00:04:42.000 And why are we there?
00:04:43.000 Because the water from the original Wisconsin Glacier is...
00:04:49.000 Under Newfoundland.
00:04:50.000 So water is...
00:04:51.000 Vodka's an old Russian word for water.
00:04:53.000 Is it really?
00:04:54.000 Yeah, and great vodkas have sweet water.
00:04:57.000 I'm just going to...
00:04:57.000 I want you to just take a sip, and then I'm going to make a nice crystal jar.
00:05:00.000 But just...
00:05:00.000 Here's our notes here.
00:05:02.000 Cheers, sir.
00:05:02.000 Just a sip.
00:05:03.000 Yeah, cheers. 0.64
00:05:03.000 Yeah, indeed. 0.64
00:05:04.000 Hey, to our daughters. 1.00
00:05:05.000 To everybody's daughters.
00:05:06.000 Daughters and sons and daughters.
00:05:07.000 Sons, daughters, mothers. 0.97
00:05:12.000 It's very good.
00:05:13.000 Sweetness.
00:05:14.000 Sweet vanilla dry crisp with a kick of heat off the finish are our notes from Anthony Dias Blue.
00:05:19.000 We take that to the distillery in Newfoundland.
00:05:22.000 We use the water there.
00:05:22.000 We do not add flavor packs.
00:05:24.000 Flavor packs are added to lesser vodkas.
00:05:26.000 That's glycerides, sugars, terpenes.
00:05:29.000 And we put them, they put them in these packages and they put them into the vodka.
00:05:34.000 We eliminated all of that and we have no additives at all.
00:05:37.000 This is C2H506, just absolute ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol, purified, distilled in a carbon filtration system, not the one with the hose where they just blow it through.
00:05:49.000 No, we distill and we filter and we pour it over Herkimer diamonds.
00:05:53.000 Diamonds?
00:05:54.000 Yep.
00:05:54.000 You pour it over diamonds?
00:05:55.000 We do.
00:05:56.000 We pour it over the Herkimer semi-precious stone, and the Herkimer semi-precious stone is one of our last purification processes.
00:06:03.000 Now, if you asked a high school professor, what does pouring alcohol over diamonds do to the alcohol, they'd probably say, well, nothing, but...
00:06:10.000 Our stones, after certain pores, a certain number of pores, they turn yellow, and we have to bleach them, clean them, or replace them.
00:06:16.000 The Herkimer Diamond is found in an anomalous area of upstate New York, also in Afghanistan, and in Oaxaca, Mexico.
00:06:25.000 They're found.
00:06:26.000 They're little semi-precious, double-ended crystals, and people love the taste of the vodka poured over the stones.
00:06:32.000 Is there a chemical reaction that causes the stones to turn yellow, or is there...
00:06:36.000 You know, again, you'd have to sit with a chemistry professor and say, why does the alcohol turn the crystals yellow?
00:06:43.000 Is it doing anything?
00:06:43.000 Is it purifying it?
00:06:44.000 We've done flavor profiles where we pour it over the stones and give it to people, and we don't pour it over the stones and give it to the people, and they like it better poured over the stones.
00:06:53.000 Now, why I like the Herkimer Diamond is, of course, because it's near Griffiths Air Force Base, Rome, New York.
00:06:59.000 And that was where a lot of scrambles went up in the 70s and 80s against...
00:07:04.000 Whatever was coming and going in the mountains there, Pine Bluff, Pine Bush, New York.
00:07:12.000 So I thought, this is great.
00:07:15.000 Herkimer Diamonds, from that area, associated with ETs, the Navajo, the Aztec, the Anasazi.
00:07:22.000 They said that these skulls came down to them from the star children.
00:07:26.000 They were given to them as scrying devices to help the tribe move forward, to give positive energy to the tribe.
00:07:32.000 And so I thought, perfect tie-in.
00:07:35.000 We pour our vodka over Herkimer diamonds.
00:07:36.000 We're tied in a little to the extraterrestrial.
00:07:55.000 I'm sold.
00:07:58.000 This is another one, folks.
00:07:59.000 I don't know if you can see this.
00:08:01.000 For people listening, you definitely can't.
00:08:02.000 But if you're looking at it on YouTube, this is an absolutely gorgeous bottle with artwork all over it.
00:08:09.000 This really cool design.
00:08:11.000 There's all these little skeletons.
00:08:14.000 It's hard to tell because it's kind of abstract, a lot of the stuff in it.
00:08:17.000 Yeah.
00:08:17.000 Well, that's John Alexander's work.
00:08:20.000 He loves skulls and skeletons and that kind of stuff.
00:08:23.000 This is gorgeous.
00:08:24.000 And Day of the Dead stuff, and so he painted that up.
00:08:29.000 He's one of my oldest friends, and we met because we were working on Saturday Night Live, and my girlfriend there was Rosie Shuster, one of the writers, and we fell in love, and we had a great time, and wrote the show.
00:08:40.000 We wrote Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute, and a lot of other things.
00:08:43.000 And then I went away to do Blues Brothers and she said, I'm breaking up with you.
00:08:46.000 And I said, well, for what and for who?
00:08:48.000 Well, I met this artist, John Alexander.
00:08:50.000 So she dumped me for him and now we're best friends and we'd like to find Rosie again.
00:08:57.000 No, no, no, no.
00:08:57.000 She dumped me for...
00:08:58.000 And he went on to get married and do other stuff.
00:09:02.000 Yeah, that's how we met.
00:09:04.000 So it's kind of an interesting friend, creative friend.
00:09:07.000 So we are the Vodka for the Creative Spirit.
00:09:09.000 It comes from two artists, a writer, him an artist, a graphic artist and designer and painter and sculptor.
00:09:15.000 So, you know, millennials love us because there's an OBS story on our purity.
00:09:21.000 We are...
00:09:22.000 We are a pure story.
00:09:24.000 We're a story about fun and about enlightened drinking in moderation, of course.
00:09:29.000 And we are a story about quality.
00:09:32.000 And so I think people are buying it.
00:09:34.000 We have a lot of female demographic there because of the cleanliness, because we don't have the additives in it. 1.00
00:09:41.000 And, you know, we just take the trouble to make this product in a special way.
00:09:45.000 How long have you been doing this?
00:09:46.000 This is about 11 years.
00:09:47.000 We're in 70 countries and doing really well with it.
00:09:50.000 Because people are getting the story that it's not only the bottle, it's what's in the bottle.
00:09:55.000 You get it at BevMo, Total Wines, ABC Liquor.
00:09:58.000 Bars all over the world have it now.
00:10:03.000 Yeah, they like the no-additive story.
00:10:08.000 It's a little more expensive in retail, but it works out to about $0.37 a drink more.
00:10:14.000 If you have 25 drinks in a bottle, you buy that bottle.
00:10:19.000 You're paying a little more for the quality and for the package, but you don't have to pay too much more for a drink.
00:10:26.000 It's like $0.37 more.
00:10:28.000 If the average drink win bar, as we say, we sell it for maybe $0.07.
00:10:37.000 We're losing people in the weeds here.
00:10:39.000 This is very delicious, though.
00:10:41.000 I'm not a vodka guy.
00:10:42.000 I generally like whiskey, because I like to know what's happening.
00:10:45.000 The thing about vodka is it's so smooth, and this is very delicious and smooth. 1.00
00:10:50.000 Before you know it, you're fucked up. 0.99
00:10:52.000 With whiskey, I feel like you know it with every taste. 1.00
00:10:55.000 You're like...
00:10:56.000 Oh! 0.60
00:10:57.000 Well, we don't have an overbust viscosity.
00:10:59.000 It's sweet, and it's got beautiful viscosity there.
00:11:02.000 And after keto, this is the thing to drink if you're on a ketogenic diet.
00:11:06.000 Can you want a little citrus in there?
00:11:08.000 Try it.
00:11:08.000 Sure.
00:11:08.000 That's your move.
00:11:09.000 I like it.
00:11:09.000 Yeah.
00:11:11.000 Can you squeeze it in there very slowly and make it look like an egg yolk going in there?
00:11:14.000 Look, I'm having a lot of fun with the business.
00:11:17.000 It's 11 years.
00:11:17.000 We're having fun.
00:11:18.000 We're fighting against the big guys.
00:11:20.000 We've got to do stunts and do exciting things and talk about it in ways that it hasn't been talked about before.
00:11:26.000 We did change the industry.
00:11:27.000 We are the purest play out there in terms of vodka consumption.
00:11:31.000 I don't slag other brands.
00:11:33.000 They want to use the flavor packages.
00:11:34.000 They want to put glyceride in there, which is, of course, a synthetic.
00:11:37.000 It's a lipid.
00:11:38.000 They want to put it in there.
00:11:39.000 It's a cousin to antifreeze, I've got to say.
00:11:41.000 It's a cousin to antifreeze?
00:11:43.000 Yeah.
00:11:43.000 Yeah, glyceride.
00:11:44.000 What if you're a really good person and your cousin's a murderer, though?
00:11:46.000 Does that matter?
00:11:48.000 Well, let me see.
00:11:50.000 Christ, you know, loved prisoners, and Christ forgave.
00:11:53.000 So, you know, Ted Bundy's sister, I don't know.
00:11:57.000 Yeah, maybe she's a nice person. 0.99
00:11:58.000 I want to talk to you about the story of the Crystal Skulls themselves, because there is this...
00:12:12.000 We're good to go.
00:12:23.000 There were 13 heads.
00:12:25.000 And it was purported that the Navajo, the Anasazi, the Mayans, the Aztec each had one.
00:12:31.000 The most famous one is the Mitchell Hedges skull, which was found in the Yucatan by Anna Mitchell Hedges.
00:12:35.000 He reached into a cave.
00:12:36.000 She was with her grandfather.
00:12:37.000 It was around 1926. And she reached in and there was an oil cloth.
00:12:42.000 A covered item in there and she pulled it out and opened it up and there was the two-piece detachable jaw, Mitchell Hedges skull.
00:12:49.000 Beautiful skull.
00:12:50.000 The Hewlett Packard engineers did a test on it in the 60s.
00:12:53.000 They said it could not have been carved by a lapidary, by tools.
00:12:58.000 It had to have been polished over...
00:13:01.000 Hundreds of years, over centuries, to get to the shape that it was.
00:13:05.000 So they said it was a polished item.
00:13:08.000 Let's see, there's the Mitchell Hedges skull, the Phyllis Newman skull named Max.
00:13:12.000 Well, wasn't that later decided by some people that this was not the case?
00:13:17.000 I'm going to exactly get to that point because, of course, it's important.
00:13:20.000 It doesn't affect...
00:13:22.000 My business, whether they're fake or not, these were beautiful artifacts, and we've recreated it beautifully.
00:13:26.000 But it's nice to know the true story, and I have kind of a thought on the theory either way.
00:13:30.000 So there's the Phyllis Newman skull named Max.
00:13:33.000 She has to put it in the closet because it talks to her.
00:13:36.000 Hit the brakes.
00:13:36.000 Wait, wait.
00:13:37.000 I'm going to have to hit the brakes a bunch with you.
00:13:39.000 You're an excellent talker, sir.
00:13:40.000 Oh, well, you know, I was inoculated with a gramophone needle at birth.
00:13:44.000 I could talk a taxi dispatcher into a vow of silence.
00:13:47.000 I could talk an air raid siren to scrap. 0.99
00:13:50.000 And you're obviously Canadian because you said slag. 0.99
00:13:52.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:13:54.000 I dated a Canadian gal. 0.99
00:13:55.000 She loved that term.
00:13:56.000 Oh, wow.
00:13:57.000 That's another tangent.
00:13:58.000 Canadian gals and Canadian guys.
00:14:00.000 So the Philip Newman skull, she got it.
00:14:03.000 Its name is Mack.
00:14:04.000 She has to put it in the closet because it talks to her, she said.
00:14:07.000 She still has it?
00:14:08.000 Yes, she does.
00:14:09.000 Phyllis has that one. 0.97
00:14:10.000 Then there's the Mitchell Hedges skull that's in Indiana.
00:14:14.000 The man that took care of Anna at the end of her life eventually had it and got it.
00:14:19.000 It sat in Grafton, Ontario for many years, and I never saw it, but people said when they walked into the room and she got There's one in Mexico City.
00:14:35.000 It's like one of our minis.
00:14:36.000 It's got a cross stuck right in the top of it, which is, you know, that would shatter a crystal if you did that.
00:14:41.000 How that cross got there, I don't know.
00:14:44.000 There's one at the Smithsonian, two at the Smithsonian, Washington, D.C., and one at the Victoria and Albert Museum.
00:14:51.000 So, there's supposed to be eight that we have and five that we're missing.
00:14:56.000 The woman at the Smithsonian, who has the two there, I think they're a cloudy orange one and a cloudy green one, and they're smaller.
00:15:02.000 She says they're all fakes.
00:15:03.000 That they were carved by a German lapidary in the 1800s and that he seeded them around the world.
00:15:09.000 Well, wait a minute.
00:15:11.000 I think one was found in Tibet.
00:15:13.000 One was found in Ohio, we're hearing, at the Serpent Mounds.
00:15:17.000 Why does she think this one gentleman did it?
00:15:19.000 Because he was an expert lapidary.
00:15:21.000 He had the tools to do it.
00:15:22.000 And she figures, her theory is that they're not artifacts polished by tribal hands and passed down, that they're all fakes.
00:15:31.000 But it's just, wait a minute, he would have had to have had an airship to go and deposit these wherever they might be around the world.
00:15:39.000 What is his take?
00:15:40.000 You can get the pictures of the skulls up, the Smithsonian crystal heads, and the Smithsonian crystal heads you can get in Victoria Albert crystal head.
00:15:48.000 Do they all have the same, similar type of markings?
00:15:51.000 There's theirs. 0.89
00:15:53.000 Yes, yes, they do.
00:15:54.000 They do.
00:15:55.000 They all have the same.
00:15:56.000 Now, you see, some of them are clearer.
00:15:59.000 See, there's one at the British Museum.
00:16:03.000 And there's some that are clearer and are more beautiful, and there's some that are rougher, like that one there, and the green and the orange one.
00:16:09.000 But she says all fakes.
00:16:11.000 But if they're all fakes, how did they get to these different places around the world, and how were they found?
00:16:16.000 Well, here's the thing, but why fake?
00:16:19.000 The word fake is very strange because it's like they are certainly real carved crystal skulls.
00:16:25.000 But were they from tribal ancestry?
00:16:27.000 Who made them?
00:16:27.000 That's the question.
00:16:28.000 Who made them?
00:16:28.000 This is the question.
00:16:29.000 Modern Western people?
00:16:30.000 And how?
00:16:30.000 Were they polished or were they carved?
00:16:32.000 That's the thing.
00:16:33.000 Aren't they beautiful?
00:16:34.000 What do the indigenous people say?
00:16:34.000 Oh, God.
00:16:35.000 They say they found them?
00:16:36.000 The Navajos say they came from the star children, that they were brought down and deposited and given to them. 0.98
00:16:41.000 As crystal ball devices, scrying devices too.
00:16:45.000 What's that one down there, Jamie?
00:16:46.000 Keep scrolling where you were.
00:16:47.000 The green is beautiful.
00:16:48.000 The one on the left right there that looks almost like a real skull.
00:16:52.000 No, the green is beautiful.
00:16:54.000 So I guess, I don't know, I'm not a scientist.
00:16:57.000 I'm not a professional historian.
00:16:58.000 I guess I have to trust the lady at the Smithsonian.
00:17:01.000 But then I question, they were found at different times in history around the world.
00:17:04.000 How do you go and seed?
00:17:06.000 How do you deposit them there?
00:17:07.000 Why does she believe that?
00:17:09.000 Has she given a coherent reason why she thinks that they're all hoaxes?
00:17:12.000 I guess she's done her analysis, whatever they've done, you know, to their skulls.
00:17:16.000 But again, the Hewlett Packard engineers took that Mitchell Hedges skull and they said this cannot be, have not have been polished.
00:17:21.000 It would have been cracked or destroyed.
00:17:23.000 It could not have been built by tools.
00:17:24.000 It would have been cracked or destroyed.
00:17:26.000 It had to have been polished.
00:17:28.000 So, but what about some sort of a very fast-moving drill with a diamond bit on it that can slowly grind down?
00:17:36.000 Well, then there would be marks that would be visible under the scanner.
00:17:42.000 Couldn't you polish those marks down?
00:17:44.000 I think that the intensity of the Hewlett-Packard scrutiny revealed that there were none of those marks, and that's why they were able to make their claim.
00:17:52.000 Here's the problem with this.
00:17:53.000 You want them to be real, right?
00:17:55.000 Don't you?
00:17:56.000 Oh, yeah.
00:17:57.000 I love the legend.
00:17:58.000 I do, too.
00:17:59.000 But I don't trust me.
00:18:01.000 No, neither do I. When you're saying all these things, I want to believe you.
00:18:06.000 I want them to be from the sky, people.
00:18:09.000 I do too, but again, you know, you've got a professional in Washington at our National Museum there who says no, they're not.
00:18:15.000 Yeah, but what does she know?
00:18:16.000 Well, we could forget her name.
00:18:18.000 We should get her on the phone. 0.97
00:18:19.000 She might be a party pooper. 1.00
00:18:21.000 Well, I think that she's probably in love with the skulls, even though they are not polished in her mind.
00:18:28.000 I bet she loves them as much as we do.
00:18:30.000 But the thing is, if you are a professional intellectual or someone who's a curator of fine artwork and ancient relics, you kind of have to be one of those people that dismisses anything preposterous.
00:18:42.000 Because if not...
00:18:43.000 That's right, like Neil Tyson.
00:18:44.000 Don't you love him?
00:18:45.000 Yes, I love him to death.
00:18:46.000 I love Neil.
00:18:46.000 But there's no way you can sit down and say, Neil, Barney and Betty Hill were abducted by a flying saucer in 1957. He's not going to accept that.
00:18:54.000 Because he can't accept that.
00:18:55.000 Because everything in his training, everything in his knowledge, everything that he knows about physics and science and propulsion and the universe and how to get from place to place, defies...
00:19:09.000 I would say defies the theory that there are extraterrestrial advanced ships out there.
00:19:14.000 It would be unprofessional for him to say...
00:19:19.000 Okay, there's even a possibility that there were abductions.
00:19:22.000 The Betty and Barney Hill story is very interesting, but there's no real evidence other than their testimony.
00:19:29.000 Is that correct?
00:19:30.000 Well, there was a stain on Betty's dress. 1.00
00:19:33.000 There's her excellent recall.
00:19:35.000 He was unconscious.
00:19:36.000 What was the stain on her dress that's so interesting to me?
00:19:38.000 It was a fluid that they used in the testing, some kind of a fluid, a chemical.
00:19:44.000 The alien testing?
00:19:44.000 That they did.
00:19:45.000 They drew ova from her and they drew sperm from him. 0.92
00:19:49.000 Now, so there's a book out called Contact by Stanton Friedman. 0.92
00:19:52.000 I read that.
00:19:53.000 Yeah, and Kathleen, yeah.
00:19:55.000 I'd love to know where the car is, where the Chevy they were driving.
00:19:59.000 Oh, it disappeared?
00:20:00.000 I don't know.
00:20:01.000 I'd have to ask Kathleen where it is.
00:20:03.000 Did it end up in a junkyard?
00:20:04.000 Because there were marks on the back of the car as well.
00:20:06.000 There were trace evidence on the back of the car.
00:20:09.000 He goes around the world.
00:20:09.000 You know who Ted Phillips is.
00:20:11.000 Collecting trace evidence and radioactive signatures from sightings and landings.
00:20:17.000 On the back of the car, there was a couple of marks.
00:20:19.000 But it was Betty's...
00:20:20.000 It's their credibility.
00:20:21.000 Why would they want to bring this into their lives?
00:20:23.000 And she was conscious, semi-conscious through much of it.
00:20:27.000 And Barney was not conscious.
00:20:29.000 He was unconscious.
00:20:30.000 If you hear the tapes...
00:20:32.000 Ben Simon's interviews with them under hypnosis, screaming, and he was just so frightened.
00:20:37.000 And the Zeta Reticuli map, when the being Betty looked at the map and the being showed her a map as she was on her way out the door and she said, may I take this?
00:20:46.000 And the being was going to give it to her, but then another one zipped up and said no.
00:20:51.000 You can't have this.
00:20:52.000 Zeta Reticuli is exactly the same place where Bob Lazar says they found those with the spaceships that they have at S4. Well, the little greys, Zeta Reticuli, Barney and Betty's abduction. 0.64
00:21:05.000 You had Marjorie Fish, an amateur astronomer.
00:21:07.000 She took the memory of Betty's.
00:21:09.000 Betty drew up the star map, and she did a... 0.94
00:21:12.000 A three-dimensional scale model of that part of the universe and was able to identify Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2 and accepted by astronomers.
00:21:20.000 So that map that Betty saw aboard that ship had not been seen on Earth before.
00:21:25.000 And Betty has no history of astronomy? 1.00
00:21:28.000 No.
00:21:28.000 No studying it?
00:21:29.000 No.
00:21:30.000 None of it at all.
00:21:31.000 And, you know, interesting things like when they got back to the...
00:21:34.000 The house, the house was open and the keys to the house were in on the table with leaves so that they might have dropped them at the site and the beings returned them.
00:21:45.000 Now, you know who Bud Hopkins was?
00:21:47.000 Yes.
00:21:52.000 Where the woman was floated out of her apartment building over the East River and orange orb picked her up. 0.85
00:21:56.000 Tell people who he was.
00:21:58.000 Bud was an artist.
00:21:59.000 He was a graphic artist.
00:22:00.000 He was a designer, a painter, and a lovely man.
00:22:03.000 And he was one of the first people to start to deal with the trauma of abductees.
00:22:07.000 He got a reputation for being able to interview them, hypnotize them, interview them, and get their stories and empathize and sympathize with them.
00:22:14.000 And he said that in some cases that he studied, the beings would grab a man from somewhere in America...
00:22:20.000 And grab a woman and out of their cars, out of their clothes, put them up, test them, draw over, draw sperm, fluids, whatever they were doing. 0.99
00:22:28.000 And then the woman would wake up in the man's shoes or a different car. 0.89
00:22:34.000 Almost as if the beings were finished with them.
00:22:37.000 I don't care where they go now.
00:22:38.000 Yeah, put them back.
00:22:39.000 That kind of thing.
00:22:40.000 He said that was the oddest phenomena.
00:22:42.000 Like releasing a trout.
00:22:43.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:22:44.000 Well, I think that's it.
00:22:45.000 If you catch a trout, if you catch a big rainbow trout and you're fly fishing and you've got a barbless hook, you know, most people, if you go to Montana, go to the Gallatin River, shout out to the Gallatin.
00:22:53.000 Beautiful.
00:22:54.000 Gorgeous place.
00:22:55.000 People catch and release because they appreciate that the trout are there.
00:22:58.000 They'd rather go buy halibut from a store and not eat the fish because they want the salmon to be healthy.
00:23:03.000 They want the trout to be healthy.
00:23:05.000 So they catch them.
00:23:09.000 Beautiful time.
00:23:24.000 And some guy pulls it on, takes pictures of it, shows it, and then releases it. 0.91
00:23:29.000 And this thing's like, how the fuck did I get here? 0.78
00:23:31.000 What am I doing outside of my universe? 0.86
00:23:33.000 What am I doing in this other dimension of air where I can't breathe?
00:23:36.000 Precisely.
00:23:37.000 Yeah, and that's catch and release.
00:23:40.000 Catch and release with people.
00:23:41.000 Travis Walton says, you know, you've got to think of them as just people from over there.
00:23:45.000 Yeah, he's the guy that the Fire in the Sky movie was based on.
00:23:48.000 He's got another interesting story.
00:23:50.000 Here's what I want people to think.
00:23:51.000 Credibility there, and credibility with Barney and Betty.
00:23:53.000 I just don't think they're lying.
00:23:54.000 And I don't think the Ariel school children are lying.
00:23:56.000 I don't want to think they're lying.
00:23:58.000 This is the problem that I have with it.
00:24:00.000 I want to believe them. 1.00
00:24:01.000 But this is what I want people to consider, because most people that are pragmatic, reasonable people that don't want to be ridiculed, they look at these stories and they go, oh, come on, people are full of shit. 0.99
00:24:11.000 And I've been there, too.
00:24:12.000 But I want people to imagine that if aliens did occasionally visit Earth, How often do you think this would take place?
00:24:25.000 It would be very infrequently.
00:24:27.000 And if it was happening, these would be completely unique, unusual occurrences, out of nowhere, where someone would come down, they would do something, and they would be leaving the person.
00:24:38.000 With this thought and this memory and this inability to describe it with normal words.
00:24:44.000 If you were taken aboard a spaceship and you were some reptilian beings that were three feet tall, were running experiments on you and you were paralyzed and then they released you back on Earth.
00:24:54.000 What words do you have available to you to describe this experience in a way that, like, if you tell me, hey, Joe, I went whitewater rafting with my kids.
00:25:05.000 It was a great time.
00:25:07.000 It was so fun.
00:25:08.000 We got to see eagles, and it was gorgeous.
00:25:11.000 And then we had lunch at this beautiful little cafe.
00:25:13.000 What a great day.
00:25:14.000 I can envision this experience.
00:25:16.000 I can see it. 1.00
00:25:17.000 But if you tell me, hey, man, we went camping, and I woke up, and some alien had a finger in my ass. 1.00
00:25:22.000 The Allagash. 0.99
00:25:22.000 The Allagash incident, they went camping and they disappeared. 0.99
00:25:25.000 There's quite a few of those, right?
00:25:26.000 There's hundreds of thousands.
00:25:28.000 And here, this is, I brought you a book.
00:25:29.000 This is Bruce McAbee's book.
00:25:31.000 It's all the headlines from 1952, 432 reports given.
00:25:34.000 And I'll address your specific question about people, how they relate their experiences and how genuine they feel in a second here.
00:25:42.000 432 reports given the Air Force in 1952 on aerial sightings, ships from other planets.
00:25:47.000 We've got memos from the government here.
00:25:51.000 Former Army pilot sees flying saucer by daylight, whatever was cited here.
00:25:54.000 July 30 stories.
00:25:55.000 Fighter pilots at Newcastle say alert for more saucer reports.
00:25:58.000 These are newspaper.
00:26:00.000 Yeah.
00:26:00.000 That's yours.
00:26:01.000 Well, newspapers never lie.
00:26:02.000 I don't know if you know that.
00:26:04.000 They never make fake stories. 0.99
00:26:06.000 They never talk shit about people. 0.98
00:26:08.000 The New York Times is pretty reliable. 0.99
00:26:12.000 And Leslie Keener, reporters for the New York Times, and they've been studying this phenomenon.
00:26:16.000 They report very credibly on it.
00:26:18.000 I'll tell you how an abductee's experience is related.
00:26:22.000 I attended a lecture at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute in Manhattan with my wife a few years ago.
00:26:30.000 That would be about 15 years ago.
00:26:31.000 And John Mack was a lecturer.
00:26:33.000 You know, he wrote the book Abduction.
00:26:34.000 He was the Harvard psychiatrist who wrote Abduction.
00:26:37.000 You can get that up, too.
00:26:39.000 Abduction, John Mack.
00:26:40.000 Yes, I've read that as well.
00:26:42.000 That freaked a friend of mine out.
00:26:44.000 She was a very pragmatic, non-UFO-believing person.
00:26:48.000 And we were working together on news radio, my friend Maura Tierney.
00:26:51.000 And she came up to me and she goes like, this book is freaking me the fuck out.
00:26:55.000 And he wrote a second book as well.
00:26:56.000 Didn't he die in a car accident?
00:26:59.000 John Mack.
00:27:00.000 I believe he died in a car accident.
00:27:01.000 Stepped off a curb.
00:27:05.000 In a small town in England, and he was struck by a car.
00:27:10.000 And three other John Max died the same day in England.
00:27:13.000 So you think people were whacking John Max because he knew too much?
00:27:16.000 I don't know.
00:27:18.000 Let's take them all out. 0.73
00:27:20.000 And there were 300 abductees there, some who he'd interviewed with, some he had not, but who were there for interested to find out more about their experience.
00:27:30.000 And one guy got up and said, he had one arm, and I don't know whether that was related.
00:27:34.000 I don't think it was related to the experience, but he said, I'm a Wall Street broker.
00:27:38.000 I'm quite well off.
00:27:39.000 I have a sailboat.
00:27:40.000 I was in Long Island Sound a few years ago, and a blue light hit me, and I had missing time of about five or six hours.
00:27:48.000 But in it, I have filtrated memories of beings addressing me and telling me that I was powerful and influential and I could help the planet survive.
00:27:56.000 And they put me back in my ship and I woke up.
00:27:58.000 And he said, I'm waiting for them to come back.
00:28:02.000 I want them to come back.
00:28:03.000 And I asked the room.
00:28:04.000 I got up and I said, of all of you who've been taken, how many of you would want to repeat the experience or have it happen again?
00:28:10.000 And about half of them said no.
00:28:11.000 No way they'd want it to happen again.
00:28:13.000 And half said, yeah, we'd like it to happen again.
00:28:16.000 Half, yeah.
00:28:17.000 Half, yeah.
00:28:19.000 Now, I love a good anecdote.
00:28:20.000 So Bruce signed this to me and I'm going to give it to you.
00:28:22.000 It's just got great headlines from the 50s, which was a massive time for saucers.
00:28:29.000 You know that famous photo of the saucers over the Capitol, the glowing lights.
00:28:34.000 See if you can find that photo, Jamie, because it is quite interesting.
00:28:37.000 July 1952, Washington. 1.00
00:28:39.000 Do you think this was initiated by the detonation of the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki where they decided, okay, these fucking monkeys are doing some stupid shit. 1.00
00:28:48.000 We need to go down there and see what's up and see if there's imminent danger to the cosmos. 1.00
00:28:53.000 Let's find out what kind of capabilities they have.
00:28:55.000 Because if you listen to Lazar or if you believe the work of Zechariah Sitchin or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered...
00:29:04.000 The reason why there's this giant leap between us and the rest of the primates on the planet is because something came down and manipulated our genetics.
00:29:16.000 Well, the movie Mission to Mars with Tim Robbins.
00:29:18.000 Basically, it says that.
00:29:20.000 Basically, it shows the face on Mars.
00:29:22.000 That is one of NASA employees' favorite movies.
00:29:25.000 Yeah, there they are.
00:29:27.000 1952 UFO incident.
00:29:28.000 Thank you very much.
00:29:29.000 Look at that photo.
00:29:29.000 That is a crazy photo.
00:29:31.000 Come on.
00:29:32.000 Let's go here now, folks.
00:29:33.000 Yeah, that ain't an airplane.
00:29:33.000 That's crazy.
00:29:35.000 That ain't a helicopter.
00:29:36.000 It's a crazy photograph, and it's from 1952. I mean, the special effects back then were incredibly crude.
00:29:36.000 No.
00:29:43.000 No, no.
00:29:43.000 This was something that was...
00:29:44.000 Thousands of people.
00:29:46.000 They scrambled jets from Andrews for it and everything.
00:29:49.000 As well as the Phoenix Lights.
00:29:50.000 The Phoenix Lights is fascinating because, you know, Fife Symington, the governor, said he saw them.
00:29:56.000 He made fun of it with an alien.
00:29:57.000 Yeah, but he talked about that afterwards.
00:30:00.000 He was put under pressure to do so.
00:30:02.000 He's in a movie called, what is it?
00:30:04.000 There's a documentary on Netflix that's available that he's in.
00:30:09.000 Yeah.
00:30:24.000 The Triangle and Delta crafts are very, very interesting, but the Tinley Park incidents of the 80s, and with Sam Aranto as the investigator there from UFON, these things would park over the family barbecue for about half an hour, and, you know,
00:30:40.000 families in suburbs were looking up at the sky being blotted out by these things parking above them.
00:30:46.000 I think it comes down to, I don't think these beings, well, Lord Hill Norton said there were 23 different species visiting the planet in 23 different types of ships.
00:30:55.000 I don't think they want a formal relationship with people on Earth.
00:30:58.000 They want an informal, secret relationship.
00:31:00.000 I think they probably have one with black elements of the Air Force and the government. 0.89
00:31:05.000 You know who David Sarit is?
00:31:07.000 David Sarita.
00:31:08.000 You should have him on.
00:31:09.000 He's very knowledgeable about this.
00:31:11.000 His theory is that the Roswell event may have been precipitated by the Trinity explosion because there was such an interdimensional disturbance of the atoms being split and that explosion.
00:31:22.000 That saucer there that went down in 1947 may have...
00:31:27.000 May have been influenced somehow negatively by that explosion.
00:31:30.000 Now, Stanton Friedman didn't buy that.
00:31:32.000 I love Stanton.
00:31:33.000 He just passed away there.
00:31:34.000 He was the expert on Roswell.
00:31:35.000 Yeah, I'm upset that I never got to meet him before he died.
00:31:38.000 He was so credible.
00:31:39.000 He was an interesting guy who believed in UFOs, but believed most people were lying about them.
00:31:45.000 Really?
00:31:46.000 Well, he believed that there was a lot of horseshit going on, including Bob Lazar. 1.00
00:31:50.000 He thought Bob Lazar was full of shit. 1.00
00:31:52.000 Well, again, why would Bob go out there and do that and compromise his life? 1.00
00:31:57.000 Well, let me tell you something. 0.94
00:31:58.000 After talking to him for three hours and having dinner with him the night before, I used to believe I had the best bullshit meter in the world, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten more honest. 0.89
00:32:08.000 And I didn't see anything.
00:32:13.000 He's an incredibly smart guy, and he's not a guy who's seeking out attention, and he's not profiting from this.
00:32:20.000 Just his demeanor and everything.
00:32:21.000 Jeez, he's like an accountant.
00:32:23.000 He's a legitimate scientist.
00:32:25.000 And I've talked to him.
00:32:27.000 One of the things that I engaged him with when we had dinner, we talked about science, just science in general.
00:32:31.000 And we talked about all sorts of different things, and He's a scientist.
00:32:36.000 He's a legit scientist.
00:32:37.000 I've talked to a lot of them.
00:32:38.000 Yeah.
00:32:38.000 I know what kind of person he is.
00:32:40.000 And they just hassled him again there.
00:32:41.000 They rated his nuclear isotope.
00:32:43.000 Because they think he has element 115. That's what they think.
00:32:46.000 Wouldn't we all love to have that?
00:32:47.000 Yeah, that's what they think.
00:32:49.000 Some artist created that thing up there with element 115. Yeah, element 115 indeed.
00:32:55.000 Well, if you get a little sliver of that, that would be pretty exciting.
00:32:59.000 Yeah.
00:33:00.000 He talked openly about it in the 90s that he had managed to weasel some away from the area S4, and they think that he still has it.
00:33:09.000 There were some experiments that he had done that George Knapp had actually filmed that had showed some really bizarre distortions using this stuff, and then it was able to...
00:33:19.000 It was, I gotta remember exactly what it did that they showed, but they did some experiences like steam or smoke or something like that where they showed element 115 emitting some sort of a...
00:33:31.000 Vapor?
00:33:31.000 Well, no, it was emitting some sort of a field where you literally couldn't physically touch this stuff.
00:33:38.000 Yeah, no, it would be nice to find that.
00:33:38.000 Mm-hmm.
00:33:40.000 That's for sure.
00:33:41.000 But I believe Bob.
00:33:42.000 I do.
00:33:43.000 And I believe Barney and Betty.
00:33:44.000 And I believe Travis.
00:33:45.000 I want to believe all of them.
00:33:46.000 That's my problem.
00:33:47.000 I believe the Allagash guys.
00:33:48.000 Why would they do this? 1.00
00:33:49.000 Because people are full of shit. 1.00
00:33:50.000 They love to lie. 1.00
00:33:51.000 They love attention.
00:33:52.000 They love crazy stories.
00:33:54.000 People love telling you they're psychic.
00:33:55.000 People love believing in astrology.
00:33:57.000 People believe in Bigfoot.
00:33:59.000 I think that there's a lot of people out there that want fantastic things to be real, including me.
00:34:05.000 It's exciting.
00:34:06.000 It's way more exciting than not being.
00:34:08.000 It is entertaining.
00:34:09.000 That's why I love the whole subject.
00:34:11.000 That's my problem with it.
00:34:12.000 The thing is that these people were severely damaged.
00:34:14.000 Like, Barney Hill was damaged.
00:34:16.000 The Allagash boys were damaged.
00:34:17.000 Travis Walton were psychologically damaged by these experiences.
00:34:21.000 Allegedly.
00:34:22.000 We don't know.
00:34:24.000 I mean, they might have been damaged already.
00:34:26.000 This might have been...
00:34:27.000 I accept that.
00:34:27.000 Yeah, this might have been something where...
00:34:29.000 But you read Contact, and you've seen Betty interviewed.
00:34:31.000 Doesn't she come off as someone who is extremely credible?
00:34:35.000 She does.
00:34:36.000 She does.
00:34:36.000 So does Barney.
00:34:37.000 Betty and Barney Hill.
00:34:39.000 They're an interesting couple, because they were an interracial couple.
00:34:42.000 What year was this that this happened?
00:34:43.000 57. So they were dealing with all sorts of pressure.
00:34:45.000 This was during the Civil Rights Movement.
00:34:50.000 It was not what you would expect for people that were calling out and trying to get attention.
00:34:57.000 And the way they described this, it resonated with people.
00:35:02.000 Well, he was having nightmares and rashes, and they had to come to some medical conclusion about it.
00:35:06.000 Also extremely consistent.
00:35:08.000 The story was extremely consistent.
00:35:09.000 It was, and they consulted a friend at the Air Force who they knew, and they came to Ben Simon and that.
00:35:15.000 No, it's a fascinating story.
00:35:17.000 In a way, again, it's very, very, very entertaining.
00:35:23.000 How did you get involved in this?
00:35:26.000 Well...
00:35:27.000 My mother worked for the Ministry of Munitions and Supply in World War II for the minister and she was suborned to work with the aircraft production for the hurricane.
00:35:41.000 She was in charge of working with getting the hurricane fuselages built in Canada for the hurricane fighter plane.
00:35:48.000 So she was in the world of aviation and in 1947 she was walking down Spark Street in Ottawa And she looked up in the sky and she sort of said, something told me to look up.
00:35:59.000 And she said she saw what looked like a Christmas tree ornament just winking above the street about four or five hundred feet, winking on and off, red, green, white, red, green, white.
00:36:09.000 And she thought, that's odd, you know?
00:36:10.000 And then she looked at it and she said, it just zipped off in the sky and disappeared.
00:36:14.000 And around the house after that point, We always had articles.
00:36:19.000 There's an article.
00:36:20.000 There's a cover of Life Magazine with Marilyn Monroe.
00:36:22.000 It talked about flying saucers.
00:36:23.000 There's a cover of Look Magazine with Elizabeth Taylor.
00:36:25.000 It catalogues the Barney and Betty Hill incident.
00:36:28.000 So whenever one of those articles come up, she always had that at home for me to read.
00:36:32.000 So I was interested in it from then.
00:36:36.000 And I've had four sightings myself, quite vivid.
00:36:39.000 The first one was in Martha's Vineyard.
00:36:41.000 It was 4 in the morning.
00:36:42.000 I got up to take a leak on the balcony there, and I looked up in the sky, and about 100,000 feet up, I saw two glowing discs flying in echelon formation.
00:36:50.000 You saw this?
00:36:51.000 I saw this.
00:36:52.000 How old were you?
00:36:53.000 I was in my 30s, yeah.
00:36:56.000 And so I look up, and I see these things, and they're moving, man.
00:36:59.000 They're going from horizon to horizon.
00:37:01.000 Phew! 1.00
00:37:03.000 I've been in an F5. I've had it in my hands.
00:37:06.000 I've been in a B25. I know helicopters.
00:37:08.000 I know aviation.
00:37:09.000 I know meteoric bull rides.
00:37:11.000 I know what's not a meteor and what is.
00:37:12.000 I know what's a helicopter and what is.
00:37:14.000 I know what's the moon and Venus.
00:37:15.000 Two glowing, glowing round objects, 100,000 feet wide.
00:37:20.000 Maybe 20,000 miles an hour are they doing because they went across the sky like just in a zigzag formation.
00:37:26.000 So if I screamed to my wife, my friends, they got up, the three of us saw it, and I said, you know, and they all knew it was something unusual.
00:37:33.000 That was my first sighting.
00:37:34.000 Okay, now, who knows?
00:37:35.000 Okay, meteoric bull ride.
00:37:36.000 There are many people that can dispute.
00:37:38.000 I know what I saw.
00:37:40.000 I know what my friends saw.
00:37:41.000 I know what my wife saw.
00:37:42.000 Those things were moving.
00:37:43.000 They were glowing fast.
00:37:44.000 They were flying in formation.
00:37:45.000 And they were doing enough speed to get from basically the right side of my eyes to the left side of my eyes really fast.
00:37:53.000 The second one was...
00:37:56.000 I was in...
00:37:58.000 So that's four.
00:37:59.000 I count those two as two.
00:38:00.000 And then the second one that I saw, so the one, two.
00:38:03.000 The third one I saw, I was in Montreal, Canada.
00:38:07.000 And I was on the 23rd floor of the Queen Elizabeth Hotel.
00:38:11.000 And this would have been when we were doing Patron in Canada, the Patron tequila promotion.
00:38:16.000 And that would have been in the early 2000s.
00:38:19.000 And I looked up beyond the window there, and I saw this...
00:38:26.000 It just looked like an air mattress turned over on its, you know, with the bubbles on the bottom.
00:38:32.000 It was huge.
00:38:33.000 It was 150 feet long, 50 feet wide, gray.
00:38:37.000 It was a gray, rainy day in Montreal, broad daylight.
00:38:41.000 And here was this thing at the 23rd story of the hotel.
00:38:45.000 And I'm looking at it and it moved slowly down St. Catherine Street and I'm thinking, Where are the wires?
00:38:50.000 Where are the wires?
00:38:51.000 It's got to be a balloon.
00:38:53.000 There's no Thanksgiving Day parade here.
00:38:55.000 What is that?
00:38:56.000 And my friends are with me.
00:38:57.000 What is that?
00:38:58.000 And it come along and it just parked.
00:39:01.000 Outside the window, we looked at it, big gray thing with these bulbs underneath and then it slowly turned and we saw the full length of it and then it went around the corner.
00:39:10.000 We ran out in the hall and we just watched it drift kind of sideways off over the St. Lawrence River and disappear.
00:39:17.000 Did people take pictures of this?
00:39:18.000 No, we didn't get any pictures and I don't know who else saw it.
00:39:21.000 What year was this?
00:39:22.000 In the 2000, let's see, 5 or 6, something like that.
00:39:27.000 Do other people report it?
00:39:29.000 No, I don't know.
00:39:30.000 I should have checked and seen in Montreal with the local MUFON. I think they have a representative up there.
00:39:36.000 But it was vivid.
00:39:37.000 We all saw it.
00:39:38.000 And then the fourth one that I saw, I was on my motorcycle leaving town to go at Kingston, Ontario, where I live there, and I was driving out of the farm gate.
00:39:47.000 And I saw there's a power line that runs on the opposite farm there across the road, and I saw this winking red light just moving slowly along the top of the power pylons, and I thought, well, you know, helicopters, they do that kind of work where they string power lines, but they don't really do it at night.
00:40:03.000 I thought, that's got to be a chopper, a hydro chopper, like a hydro company chopper watching the power lines checking for faults, or I don't know.
00:40:11.000 And it goes along like this, and I'm watching it, and I stop the bike, you know, and I'm watching.
00:40:15.000 And then it stops.
00:40:17.000 And makes a right angle turn and comes right at me.
00:40:19.000 And so I turn on...
00:40:20.000 I have a police motorcycle.
00:40:21.000 So I turn on my wigwags, you know, like that.
00:40:23.000 You have a police motorcycle?
00:40:24.000 Of course!
00:40:25.000 Why do you have a police motorcycle?
00:40:26.000 I have police...
00:40:27.000 Well...
00:40:28.000 Are you a cop? 1.00
00:40:29.000 Damn, awkward. 1.00
00:40:30.000 Imagine getting pulled over by a blues brother. 1.00
00:40:32.000 Wouldn't that be good?
00:40:33.000 I've actually had the experience of actually pulling some people.
00:40:37.000 You pulled people over?
00:40:39.000 Sure.
00:40:40.000 Why'd you pull them over?
00:40:41.000 You're a sheriff?
00:40:42.000 Well, I was a reserve.
00:40:44.000 Representative Deputy Sheriff.
00:40:45.000 You and Ted Nugent.
00:40:47.000 A reserve.
00:40:48.000 A reserve, I must say.
00:40:49.000 But I served under the first African American sheriff in Hines County, Mississippi, in its history.
00:40:53.000 Back to my sighting.
00:40:54.000 The thing comes along.
00:40:55.000 I put on the wigwags on the bike and it stops above me and it turns on a light.
00:41:00.000 And I'm going...
00:41:02.000 Where's the rotor wop?
00:41:03.000 Where's the wash?
00:41:05.000 Come on, a helicopter at 3,000 feet?
00:41:07.000 You can hear it.
00:41:07.000 This thing's like three, four hundred feet above me.
00:41:10.000 I'm looking at the thing.
00:41:11.000 I'm thinking, where's the wash?
00:41:12.000 It looks like a helicopter.
00:41:14.000 It's got to be a helicopter.
00:41:15.000 Do I see a canopy?
00:41:16.000 Do I see rings, rotors?
00:41:17.000 Nothing.
00:41:18.000 Just a mass of kind of metallic and lights, and it just shines this light on me, and I turn the lights on the bike on, and then turn them off, and then it winked the light off, and it just drifted out over the field, and just drifted awfully.
00:41:33.000 So you've had three different instances.
00:41:35.000 And then one night, well, one night I was in bed with my wife.
00:41:39.000 It was in the 1987 or so.
00:41:42.000 And I woke bolt upright at three in the morning.
00:41:46.000 I said, I've got to go outside.
00:41:47.000 I've got to go outside.
00:41:48.000 They're calling me.
00:41:48.000 They're calling me.
00:41:49.000 They want me to see.
00:41:50.000 They want me to see.
00:41:50.000 And she says, oh, go back to sleep.
00:41:52.000 So I went back to sleep.
00:41:53.000 Next day, all over the radio of upstate New York, they talked about A big pink spiral in the sky that had appeared to upstate northeastern Ontario and upstate New York.
00:42:06.000 And they were saying, oh, it was a Chinese rocket.
00:42:08.000 What, a bottle rocket?
00:42:09.000 Or the Chinese sent a rocket?
00:42:11.000 This was the explanation that the media and the government was giving at the time.
00:42:16.000 Those are my experiences right there.
00:42:18.000 So that's how you got hooked.
00:42:20.000 And then an interesting thing happened where I was doing a show called Out There, Beyond Belief, and we were doing it over there for Bonnie Hammer over there at the Sci-Fi Channel.
00:42:33.000 And it was an interview show where I talked to Doug Meldrum, the Sasquatch expert, and all kinds of...
00:42:40.000 I've talked to Doug.
00:42:41.000 Yeah, I believe him.
00:42:42.000 I believe him.
00:42:42.000 He's passionate about it.
00:42:43.000 I don't see why he...
00:42:44.000 He's also a scientist.
00:42:46.000 I talked to all those people, but the day that I had Steve...
00:42:49.000 Yes, I do.
00:42:50.000 I believe that there's got to be.
00:42:52.000 Do you know Gabrielle Reese, the Olympian?
00:42:56.000 Sure.
00:42:56.000 I've met her on the podcast.
00:42:57.000 She talked about her Sasquatch experience?
00:42:57.000 Have you?
00:42:59.000 No.
00:42:59.000 Now I need to talk to her again.
00:43:01.000 Yeah, you really do.
00:43:02.000 She's so gigantic and beautiful.
00:43:04.000 I would imagine that Sasquatch wanted to breed with her. 1.00
00:43:06.000 Well, that's why.
00:43:07.000 Apparently it shook a camper.
00:43:08.000 She was up in upstate.
00:43:10.000 Yeah, a big giant woman, super athlete. 1.00
00:43:12.000 She was attacked.
00:43:13.000 Her camper was attacked by when she tells that story.
00:43:16.000 But where was I about the, when we get back to the Gabrielle Reese Sasquatch, I had interviewed all kinds of people on this show.
00:43:23.000 You were talking about...
00:43:24.000 My show was supposed to be a...
00:43:27.000 Sasquatch.
00:43:28.000 Yeah, but it was supposed to be a show on Sci-Fi Channel, an interview show, where I'd interviewed everybody, you know, all the people in the field of cryptozoology and sci-fi and science fiction and theory and UFOs.
00:43:41.000 I had Stephen Greer and Stephen Bassett on that same day.
00:43:44.000 I've had Stephen Greer on the show, too.
00:43:45.000 Okay, so I interview Stephen Bassett.
00:43:47.000 I'm about to interview Greer, and I get a call about...
00:43:52.000 Like noon, at our noon break, and they call and they say, your show's cancelled.
00:43:56.000 We want you out of the studio by the end of the day, and we're not going to air anything that you've done.
00:44:03.000 Stephen Greer.
00:44:04.000 Stephen Bassett.
00:44:05.000 The UFO show.
00:44:05.000 Stephen Greer.
00:44:06.000 It gets cancelled that day.
00:44:08.000 Now, maybe Ms. Hammer made a decision, you know, talk shows aren't really our thing, or Ackroyd's not really what we want on our network, or...
00:44:15.000 I don't know.
00:44:16.000 Was she called by someone, or what?
00:44:18.000 Why that day, when I was going to do this vivid, you know, UFO show that was going to go out on the air eventually, why then did it get cancelled?
00:44:28.000 I was puzzling.
00:44:29.000 How are the ratings?
00:44:29.000 Well, I had no ratings.
00:44:30.000 Well, no, we never got to air.
00:44:32.000 I did 26 of them and we never got to air.
00:44:33.000 It never got to air?
00:44:35.000 No, no.
00:44:35.000 So you just filmed them and it never got...
00:44:36.000 Did you guys do any wacky ones where they got to film and like, what are these crazy fuckers doing? 0.99
00:44:42.000 Was there any of that? 0.99
00:44:43.000 Like if you were a non-believer, non-UFO enthusiast...
00:44:49.000 It was a pure interview show.
00:44:50.000 I didn't show any footage.
00:44:51.000 I just...
00:44:52.000 I just interviewed.
00:44:53.000 Just talked to people.
00:44:53.000 Yeah, so the day of my UFO show that I was going to do my big Stephen Greer and Stephen Batchett show, we got canceled.
00:44:59.000 But do you think that they would...
00:45:00.000 Listen, sci-fi is all about those shows.
00:45:03.000 I mean, I watched an episode of sci-fi where there's a bunch of people that claim to be trapped in a cabin in Maine because werewolves were outside.
00:45:10.000 It's just like, they're into nonsense.
00:45:12.000 They don't do talk shows.
00:45:13.000 I did a show on SyFy.
00:45:15.000 I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
00:45:15.000 Talk show?
00:45:17.000 How long did it last?
00:45:18.000 Not very long, but part of that was my idea.
00:45:21.000 And then you worked for Bonnie?
00:45:22.000 I didn't want to keep doing it.
00:45:23.000 You worked for Bonnie Hammer, right?
00:45:24.000 No, it was different people back then.
00:45:25.000 Because she's one of the smartest executives in the industry, and I don't doubt that she'll be running NBC someday, or...
00:45:31.000 All of Universal.
00:45:32.000 And I would always like to know what happened.
00:45:35.000 Did someone call you, Bonnie, and say, you know, don't bring this up now?
00:45:38.000 I just don't think anyone's going to call people about UFOs. 0.98
00:45:40.000 I mean, if they're going to make phone calls, they're going to, you know, take out Don Lemon or something because he talks shit about Trump. 0.98
00:45:47.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:45:48.000 Yeah, I guess so.
00:45:48.000 It doesn't make sense.
00:45:49.000 I don't know.
00:45:49.000 I'd always like to know what happened.
00:45:51.000 UFOs are...
00:45:53.000 Openly discredited by normal people.
00:45:56.000 Well, not entirely, though.
00:45:57.000 Half the world believes.
00:45:59.000 If you look at the work of Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keen, New York Times reporters, they're credibly reporting this stuff.
00:46:04.000 Barney and Betty Hill, the state of New Hampshire, has certified their experience with a plaque.
00:46:13.000 You can go to the place where they were allegedly abducted, and the state of New Hampshire has...
00:46:17.000 UFO incident right there.
00:46:18.000 Right, but we both know that that doesn't mean anything.
00:46:19.000 It doesn't mean it happened.
00:46:21.000 Well, it means it's a state-certified or state-recognized paranormal experience.
00:46:25.000 You can get anything certified in New Hampshire. 0.88
00:46:28.000 That's a goofy place.
00:46:29.000 Well, I don't know. 0.94
00:46:30.000 Shout out to New Hampshire.
00:46:31.000 Adam Sandler comes from there.
00:46:34.000 He's definitely a national treasure.
00:46:36.000 There it is.
00:46:37.000 There it is.
00:46:37.000 Betty and Barney Hill incident.
00:46:38.000 Isn't that great?
00:46:39.000 I mean, wow.
00:46:40.000 Like a state-certified.
00:46:41.000 And also another state-certified paranormal.
00:46:43.000 Oh, 61. 61, right.
00:46:44.000 It was right around the time.
00:46:46.000 That was a couple months before Kennedy was shot, right?
00:46:49.000 Wasn't he shot in November?
00:46:51.000 63 for him, right?
00:46:53.000 Yeah.
00:46:53.000 Oh, was it 63?
00:46:54.000 Yeah, 63. That's right.
00:46:55.000 And that wasn't 47. Yeah, but there you go.
00:46:57.000 There you go.
00:46:58.000 So look at that.
00:47:01.000 And then in Marfa, Texas.
00:47:03.000 You heard of the Marfa Lights?
00:47:05.000 No, I have not heard of them.
00:47:06.000 The Marfa lights are these anomalous, and that's a state kind of recognized paranormal mystery too, mysterious Marfa lights.
00:47:12.000 They have a kind of a picnic area where you can watch them at night.
00:47:15.000 No one knows what they are.
00:47:16.000 They appear every night and they bounce around on the horizon.
00:47:19.000 They go up and down and back and forth.
00:47:21.000 People say, oh, there are headlights from different cars on the highway, but the Air Force, the state police, they've all tried to figure out what they are, and they just don't know what the Marfa lights are, and they're recognized by the state of Texas as a paranormal event.
00:47:33.000 But I like your skeptical view.
00:47:35.000 Yes, I do.
00:47:35.000 Yeah, ball lightning is a real thing that's created by pressure inside the tectonic plates.
00:47:41.000 But every night, consistently going back and forth in symmetrical patterns.
00:47:45.000 But I mean, every night, can we go there tonight and go film it?
00:47:47.000 Yes, we could.
00:47:48.000 100%.
00:47:48.000 Absolutely.
00:47:49.000 Really?
00:47:50.000 Yep.
00:47:50.000 Marfa Lights.
00:47:51.000 How many videos of the Marfa Lights are available?
00:47:53.000 Go ahead.
00:47:54.000 Marfa, Texas.
00:47:54.000 There's a lot of them?
00:47:55.000 Let me see some.
00:47:56.000 There they are.
00:47:56.000 Let me see what we got here.
00:47:59.000 Whoa.
00:48:00.000 What do we got here?
00:48:01.000 Yeah, no one knows.
00:48:02.000 That's rednecks. 1.00
00:48:03.000 They're driving their trucks over the hill.
00:48:05.000 Well, that's what they say in the Air Force and the police.
00:48:07.000 They've looked in there.
00:48:08.000 They've done surveys.
00:48:09.000 They've done geodetic surveys.
00:48:10.000 What is it?
00:48:10.000 Is it gas?
00:48:11.000 Is it what?
00:48:11.000 What do they think it is?
00:48:13.000 What's the official explanation?
00:48:15.000 No one knows.
00:48:15.000 Mystery Lights.
00:48:16.000 The state of Texas has a little plaque.
00:48:17.000 The Marfa Mystery Lights.
00:48:18.000 Enjoy them because they're there.
00:48:20.000 They're going to be there tonight.
00:48:20.000 6 p.m.
00:48:21.000 to 2 in the morning.
00:48:22.000 Really?
00:48:23.000 Every night?
00:48:23.000 Every night.
00:48:24.000 Every night.
00:48:26.000 Smoke weed and stare at the sky.
00:48:29.000 Is there any UFO sightings that you think are nonsense?
00:48:33.000 Is there any mainstream ones that you listen to and you're like, I'm not buying that one?
00:48:39.000 Well, all the people that I've talked to that have had sightings and have had experiences seem very genuine.
00:48:46.000 I don't know anyone that's been blown out publicly that I would doubt.
00:48:51.000 I mean, can you think of one?
00:48:52.000 I don't know.
00:48:53.000 I believe the Allagash boys, Calvin Parker down there in Mississippi, the Pascagoula incident.
00:48:59.000 I mean, again, their lives were severely negatively affected by these experiences.
00:49:04.000 Right, but they didn't know whether or not that was going to be the case when they reported on it.
00:49:08.000 A lot of people do silly things that negatively affect their life.
00:49:12.000 Yeah.
00:49:12.000 And they're not...
00:49:15.000 Future tellers.
00:49:17.000 There's a guy there.
00:49:19.000 He says that the alien appeared at his back screen porch door.
00:49:22.000 He's in Colorado.
00:49:23.000 Do you know that gentleman?
00:49:25.000 You're balls deep in this, man.
00:49:27.000 You know all these stories.
00:49:28.000 I don't know if I believe him.
00:49:31.000 No?
00:49:32.000 Colorado, alien at the back door.
00:49:35.000 Doesn't seem right?
00:49:35.000 I don't know if I believe him or not.
00:49:38.000 It's just like he was fabricating there, that guy.
00:49:40.000 I'm sure there's a lot of people fabricating things, and I'm also sure there's a lot of people that believe they're telling a true story, but in fact, they're schizophrenic, or they have some issues.
00:49:50.000 I think there's a lot of that going on, too.
00:49:52.000 You know, Billy Meyer was doubted for many years.
00:49:54.000 Sure, I know that story.
00:49:54.000 What do you think about him?
00:49:55.000 The pictures are so vivid, and the Pleiadian story is so vivid.
00:49:59.000 I mean...
00:50:01.000 Billy Meyer.
00:50:02.000 You can put Billy Meyer UFO photos up there.
00:50:04.000 Where's he from?
00:50:05.000 He was a Swiss.
00:50:06.000 Yeah, we have his book.
00:50:08.000 That was that.
00:50:08.000 I know.
00:50:09.000 Somebody came to the comedy store and gave me this book on that guy.
00:50:12.000 With the big pictures on that guy.
00:50:13.000 Isn't that widely proven?
00:50:15.000 Well, look at the one by the pine tree.
00:50:17.000 They're going, oh, he attached the saucer to the pine tree.
00:50:20.000 I heard he threw it in the air and took a picture of it.
00:50:22.000 Okay, well, that's one theory, but wasn't it, you know, didn't they do that just to show the scale of their ship?
00:50:29.000 And some of those photos are pretty, pretty convincing.
00:50:32.000 I don't know.
00:50:35.000 Okay, if you want to say doubt...
00:50:37.000 One guy who keeps taking awesome pictures of UFOs.
00:50:39.000 I'm not buying it.
00:50:41.000 Well, again, you know, if there was anyone that I had doubt, because so much doubt has been thrown his way...
00:50:47.000 That's pretty...
00:50:48.000 I mean, how do you...
00:50:49.000 Well, I suppose with Photoshop.
00:50:50.000 But Bruce McAbee, I believe, has...
00:50:52.000 Bruce McAbee's analyzed these.
00:50:54.000 He wrote this book.
00:50:55.000 He says they're real.
00:50:56.000 Right, but a guy who's writing a book on UFOs is analyzing UFO pictures, saying they're real.
00:51:01.000 This guy wants to believe.
00:51:02.000 But Bruce McAbee is a doctor, and he's a scientist.
00:51:05.000 He worked for the Naval Air... 1.00
00:51:07.000 I want to talk to his ex-girlfriends, see if he's full of shit. 1.00
00:51:10.000 So you know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:51:11.000 Like, you could say all these positive things about people.
00:51:13.000 Yeah, he worked for the Navy.
00:51:15.000 Look at that one.
00:51:15.000 He's the expert.
00:51:17.000 Well, he's the expert.
00:51:19.000 That's the Gucci version. 0.99
00:51:20.000 Yeah, look at those balls. 1.00
00:51:22.000 That's a bling-bling. 0.99
00:51:23.000 Those are the pinballs I'm talking about.
00:51:25.000 If you had an Instagram account and you were an alien, that's the one you'd rock. 1.00
00:51:27.000 But I think he did a photo analysis, and he said that Bruce believes they're real.
00:51:31.000 And I believe Bruce, if you read this book here.
00:51:34.000 He's the real thing.
00:51:35.000 Liquid Stanton was the real thing.
00:51:36.000 Bruce McAbee's the real thing.
00:51:39.000 There are scientists who are doing very, very thorough and close inquiry on the matter.
00:51:45.000 So if you ask me who I doubt, maybe, I don't know, Billy Meyer?
00:51:48.000 I don't know.
00:51:49.000 Yeah, he took too many.
00:51:49.000 I don't know.
00:51:51.000 Yeah.
00:51:51.000 It's like a glut.
00:51:53.000 It's like too much chocolate.
00:51:54.000 Come on, bro.
00:51:55.000 That's all you're doing?
00:51:56.000 You're out there and they just come to you?
00:51:58.000 Why don't you set up a camera crew 24-7 for a couple weeks?
00:52:02.000 Well, Stephen Greer uses lasers.
00:52:04.000 He points them up to the sky and kind of attracts them that way.
00:52:10.000 His wife and daughters have said that they've sat out and watched these things come and go in North Carolina at their house.
00:52:16.000 But people saying that something happened and something actually happened.
00:52:21.000 But his thing is about UFOs.
00:52:23.000 He's made documentaries about UFOs.
00:52:26.000 His business is he knows a lot about UFOs.
00:52:29.000 I talked to Greer.
00:52:30.000 I'm not buying it.
00:52:31.000 What you want is you want the Herb Shermer story.
00:52:36.000 What's the Herb Shermer story?
00:52:37.000 Nebraska Highway Patrolman on patrol sees a flash of light in the Ashland oil refinery near Nebraska.
00:52:44.000 Flash of light in an oil refinery in the broad daylight.
00:52:46.000 Not a good thing.
00:52:47.000 Could be a fire.
00:52:48.000 Goes up.
00:52:50.000 Not into UFOs.
00:52:51.000 Highway Patrolman goes up.
00:52:53.000 He was taken into a ship and deposited.
00:52:55.000 He's one of the famous ones.
00:52:57.000 So no agenda there.
00:52:58.000 Didn't want to tell a story.
00:52:59.000 Again, got into trouble for him.
00:53:01.000 Here's the thing.
00:53:01.000 Herb Schirmer.
00:53:02.000 S-H-I-R-M-E-R. No disrespect to her, but some cops are crooked. 0.93
00:53:07.000 They steal people's money. 1.00
00:53:09.000 Some cops rape people. 1.00
00:53:10.000 Some cops pull people over for nothing. 0.97
00:53:12.000 Some people shoot people for non-existing crimes. 1.00
00:53:16.000 There's a lot of people that just happen to be police officers that are also full of shit. 1.00
00:53:23.000 A lot of people are foolish yet. 1.00
00:53:24.000 That's true. 1.00
00:53:25.000 But again, here he is.
00:53:27.000 He's a guy.
00:53:28.000 Why would he say that?
00:53:29.000 Where's the evidence?
00:53:29.000 Where's his evidence?
00:53:30.000 Well, his evidence is anecdotal, like a lot of it.
00:53:33.000 That's a problem, right?
00:53:34.000 Well, the Phoenix Lights, there's video of that.
00:53:37.000 That's a different one.
00:53:38.000 Lonnie Zamora, Z-A-M-O-R-A. He was a New Mexico highway patrolman.
00:53:38.000 That's a different story.
00:53:42.000 He said a saucer landed and he saw it land.
00:53:44.000 Dan Aykroyd, everybody wants to be special.
00:53:47.000 And one of the best ways to be special is for you to have a special moment with some special creatures from a special place and no one else can recognize whether or not you're telling the truth or not telling the truth.
00:53:57.000 You talk about this and everybody wants to listen and they listen to you.
00:54:01.000 They're totally fixated on everything you like to say.
00:54:03.000 How about Pervez Jafari?
00:54:07.000 Pervez Jafari.
00:54:08.000 I like the name.
00:54:09.000 He was an Iranian Air Force pilot.
00:54:13.000 He does many lectures.
00:54:13.000 He still lives in Iran.
00:54:15.000 And he did the famous, it's the Iranian Tehran UFO sight.
00:54:20.000 He chased a UFO in his jet and the thing turned off all the electronics in the jet and he said this thing was moving.
00:54:25.000 How about General Debrewer?
00:54:26.000 Well, how about David Fravor?
00:54:27.000 I don't know him.
00:54:28.000 He's the guy that they were talking about on the Bob Lazar documentary.
00:54:35.000 He experienced something that flew exactly like the Lazar ones.
00:54:35.000 He's...
00:54:40.000 I'm going to talk to him soon.
00:54:42.000 And he's incredibly credible.
00:54:47.000 Military accolades.
00:54:48.000 He's a very well-respected guy.
00:54:50.000 And he's never had any other fantastical sort of stories that he's told.
00:54:55.000 I can't wait to talk to him about this.
00:54:57.000 Yeah, Pabraz Jafari is a good guest, too.
00:54:59.000 And then there's the guy who flew the Japan Airlines flight with all the wine on it.
00:54:59.000 You should get him out.
00:55:04.000 And the UFOs above Alaska.
00:55:06.000 It circled them several times.
00:55:07.000 That's a famous story.
00:55:08.000 I'd get a bottle of that wine.
00:55:09.000 Yeah, that would be.
00:55:10.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:55:11.000 So Alaska Airlines sighting.
00:55:12.000 That's another one.
00:55:13.000 No, but I like your view.
00:55:15.000 You are not going to sit here and say, oh, it's all true, I'm accepting it all.
00:55:19.000 It's too easy and there's too many people that want to do that.
00:55:21.000 But all I give you here today, from my experience, is the ones that I believe.
00:55:25.000 And that's Betty and Betty Hill, Travis Walton, the Onyosh boys. 0.97
00:55:29.000 Yeah, Betty and Barney Hill are a really interesting one.
00:55:32.000 Because also, there wasn't a precedent.
00:55:34.000 Betty and Barney Hill in 1961, there wasn't a bunch of people that were talking about these things happening to them.
00:55:40.000 And since then, there have been very many that were really similar.
00:55:45.000 Very similar.
00:55:46.000 And it makes you wonder.
00:55:47.000 But this is what I want to say to people that are skeptical, and of course I'm skeptical.
00:55:51.000 That's why I'm knocking holes in these things.
00:55:55.000 If it did happen and you were left alone to try to explain to people something that is incredibly unique, very few people ever experience it, it would be so hard to get people to believe you.
00:56:09.000 Well, that's why you have to go to a professional.
00:56:11.000 You go to a professional.
00:56:12.000 But there's no such thing.
00:56:13.000 Professional means you make money doing it.
00:56:16.000 It means you've studied it and you make money doing it. 0.99
00:56:18.000 There's not a single fucking human being on this planet that's a professional... 0.99
00:56:21.000 Right. 1.00
00:56:39.000 Yep.
00:56:43.000 I know it's a real place.
00:56:44.000 I know France is a real place and French is a real language.
00:56:46.000 And I can say, parlez-vous français?
00:56:48.000 That's more than anybody can explain about any civilization on some other planet.
00:56:53.000 You've got to take the credentials of the people who report these things.
00:56:57.000 I do, I do.
00:56:58.000 But their credentials are entirely terrestrial.
00:57:00.000 They are.
00:57:01.000 That's right.
00:57:02.000 UFOs, generals, pilots on UFOs go on the record.
00:57:07.000 That's Leslie Keen's book.
00:57:09.000 And there's some pretty compelling stories.
00:57:11.000 Do you remember Arsenio Hall when he had that thing you would do?
00:57:14.000 Things that make you go, hmm.
00:57:17.000 Hundreds in states see flying saucers, Indianapolis News.
00:57:20.000 Anyway, this is a neat book by Bruce.
00:57:22.000 I believe Bruce was the real thing.
00:57:23.000 I believe Stanton is the real thing.
00:57:25.000 Listen, J. Allen Hynek is one of the more interesting characters to me because he ran Project Blue Book.
00:57:30.000 He ran Project Blue Book and his directive was to debunk these stories.
00:57:35.000 Whether or not they were credible, his directive was to say, that's a weather balloon, that's a star, this is swamp gas.
00:57:45.000 That was his directive.
00:57:47.000 But then when he left Project Blue Book, he said, listen, these things are real.
00:57:52.000 Yeah, 20% of sightings are unexplained.
00:57:54.000 He said these things are real.
00:57:55.000 And when you talk to a man like that, whose living was in debunking these things, and then after it was all over, he was compelled to communicate with the American public that there was a real situation going on.
00:58:09.000 There is.
00:58:11.000 He's really interesting to me.
00:58:12.000 And Ken Arnold, his sighting is pretty compelling.
00:58:15.000 So I don't think they want to form a relationship with us.
00:58:19.000 I think they're coming and going like taxis and they have been since the beginning of the existence of life on this planet or the existence of this planet.
00:58:26.000 Do you think they engineered human beings?
00:58:28.000 Well, that Mission to Mars movie is one of NASA employees' favorite movies.
00:58:32.000 What is a Mission to Mars movie?
00:58:34.000 A Mission to Mars.
00:58:36.000 Tim Robbins.
00:58:36.000 Really good picture.
00:58:37.000 It's a feature film.
00:58:40.000 Mission to Mars.
00:58:41.000 What is it about?
00:58:42.000 It's about the Mission to Mars and them discovering there was a civilization there and that perhaps we were helped along in our development.
00:58:48.000 What year was this around?
00:58:50.000 I'm not sure.
00:58:51.000 Mission to Mars.
00:58:51.000 Really?
00:58:52.000 Really good.
00:58:53.000 Oh, I remember.
00:58:54.000 Here's the Marilyn Monroe. 0.65
00:58:54.000 It was like a horror movie. 0.65
00:58:57.000 Yes, I saw that movie.
00:58:58.000 Marilyn Monroe.
00:58:59.000 There's a case for interplanetary saucers.
00:59:01.000 That was in Life Magazine.
00:59:02.000 Okay, I remember this movie.
00:59:03.000 Was that a good movie?
00:59:04.000 It was.
00:59:05.000 It was really good.
00:59:06.000 In the end, Tim Robbins kind of floats off in space.
00:59:08.000 There's been a few astronauts that got really deep into UFOs, right?
00:59:13.000 Edgar Mitchell was one of them.
00:59:13.000 Absolutely.
00:59:13.000 Edgar Mitchell.
00:59:15.000 Well, I have an interesting story for you.
00:59:16.000 And this is, of course, totally anecdotal.
00:59:18.000 It's part of the lore.
00:59:20.000 And...
00:59:22.000 You want another drink?
00:59:23.000 Hell yeah.
00:59:25.000 Okay, so, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.
00:59:29.000 I do believe that we actually rent to the moon.
00:59:32.000 I don't believe that that's a fake experience.
00:59:39.000 Some people say, oh, well, it was black and the dust flew up and it wouldn't...
00:59:46.000 Crystal had vodka, cleanest vodka on the planet. 0.99
00:59:46.000 It wouldn't. 0.99
00:59:49.000 Anyway, so I believe the one.
00:59:52.000 And, you know, Buzz Aldrin, a good friend of mine, as a good friend of everybody's, but I love Buzz.
00:59:57.000 And so they go to the moon, and I love that story about there was only 17 seconds of fuel left when they landed.
01:00:05.000 And then he had to kind of hop over some rocks to get there, you know.
01:00:09.000 So...
01:00:11.000 There's a story that Neil Armstrong was at a conference in France, in a hotel room, and there was a woman there who had been previously head of MI6, and she was a part of this cocktail party.
01:00:23.000 And she overheard a conversation between Neil Armstrong and another gentleman who was in the intelligence service.
01:00:29.000 And the guy was asking him about the moon landing.
01:00:32.000 And Neil said, you know, there was a frequency that we switched to to talk about other things that were happening at that time.
01:00:40.000 And the guy said, what do you mean?
01:00:41.000 He said, when we landed there, on the rim of the crater nearby, he said, there were several ships and they were large and menacing.
01:00:53.000 What's a menacing ship?
01:00:55.000 Shaped like one of your bottles of skulls?
01:00:57.000 Well, no, this is a happy skull.
01:00:59.000 No, the Coneheads starship.
01:01:01.000 Remember the Coneheads starship? 0.67
01:01:02.000 I do remember that.
01:01:03.000 So, I mean, that's a total anecdote.
01:01:05.000 But I think, you know, if that's true, you know, well...
01:01:09.000 Well, he only said that one time in French. 0.96
01:01:11.000 Maybe their translation sucked.
01:01:13.000 Yeah, you know, the woman, again, the woman, do you want this? 0.94
01:01:15.000 Oh, I might as well have it straight, right?
01:01:17.000 The woman was with MI6, purportedly.
01:01:19.000 That's kind of a neat story.
01:01:21.000 Of course it's a neat story.
01:01:21.000 I don't know.
01:01:22.000 Edgar Mitchell said that he saw something out there too, right?
01:01:25.000 Edgar Mitchell did.
01:01:28.000 Condon.
01:01:29.000 He's passed away since, right?
01:01:30.000 He was a firm believer.
01:01:33.000 And then the STS 1979 space shuttle footage.
01:01:36.000 You've seen that STS 1979 satellite tether break.
01:01:43.000 Oh, I have seen that.
01:01:44.000 Yeah.
01:01:44.000 The tether broke off.
01:01:46.000 It was a mile long, and they were supposed to spin off a satellite.
01:01:48.000 It was a mile long, and it broke.
01:01:50.000 So the tether is a mile long.
01:01:52.000 But in the back of the tether, you see these old lifesaver-shaped rings going back and forth.
01:01:58.000 Well, David Sarada says that's a species that was trying to help the planet, and they were bringing giant water bags.
01:02:05.000 And giant, giant water vessels to heal our ozone layer. 0.92
01:02:09.000 It was an STS 1979 space shuttle tether.
01:02:13.000 Water heals ozone layers?
01:02:17.000 Water, yeah.
01:02:18.000 Big, massive, massive dumps of water were supposed to be these O-shaped, lifesaver-shaped UFO figures.
01:02:18.000 Water.
01:02:28.000 And then what he did was he compared them against the length of the tether, which was a mile long, and said these things would have had to have been You know, quite large.
01:02:36.000 Now, that's David Sereda.
01:02:37.000 You should have him on.
01:02:38.000 He's a brilliant ufologist and theorist.
01:02:40.000 And STS, Space Shuttle, 1979. And then Lonnie Zamora, you should also check.
01:02:46.000 And Herb Shermer, S-C-H-I-R-M-A-R. And Leslie Keen and Ralph Blumenthal, you know.
01:02:53.000 This is just a piece of paper, but there's a video footage.
01:02:55.000 There you go.
01:02:56.000 Evidence and plasmas in the thermosphere.
01:02:58.000 There we go.
01:02:59.000 Ten separate NASA space shuttle meshes over 200 miles above the Earth within the thermosphere.
01:03:04.000 The structures appear to be self-illuminated, maybe several meters or kilometers in size, and have four distinct morphologies.
01:03:11.000 What's the title of this?
01:03:13.000 Who's this from?
01:03:16.000 Emeritus Brain Research Laboratory, Northern California, cosmology.com.
01:03:20.000 That's pretty neat.
01:03:20.000 I've never seen that.
01:03:21.000 I don't know.
01:03:21.000 I just stumbled across it.
01:03:23.000 It may be bullshit. 0.99
01:03:23.000 Ron Joseph, Ph.D. Center for Cosmology, Silicon Valley, California. 0.99
01:03:29.000 See if you can find it.
01:03:31.000 But there is video footage.
01:03:32.000 The tether.
01:03:32.000 There is video.
01:03:33.000 The video is weird.
01:03:35.000 And someone described it as ice crystals, and they said that the perspective is what's screwing everybody up.
01:03:40.000 As if the ice crystals are between us and the cable, but it makes it look like they're enormous, but they're actually quite small.
01:03:48.000 I think at this point we can accept...
01:03:52.000 That these ships are real.
01:03:54.000 That they're advanced.
01:03:55.000 Yes, we can.
01:03:55.000 Can we?
01:03:56.000 I think we can accept that.
01:03:57.000 There's just so much footage, so many reports.
01:04:00.000 Ted Phillips has trace evidence, so many landing sites, so many...
01:04:03.000 I think we'd accept they're real.
01:04:04.000 I think we'd accept these beings are real.
01:04:06.000 There are many different species.
01:04:07.000 Some are malevolent to us, some are malevolent.
01:04:10.000 What we have to get past is, okay, now that we know that, how will that help human transformation?
01:04:16.000 Now, John Mack, at the session I was at at the Fifth Avenue Medical Institute, a woman got up and she said, I was a socialite in Massachusetts.
01:04:23.000 All I cared about was money and spending money and where I could go and spend money and buying things.
01:04:29.000 And one afternoon, I was in my garden and an orange orb came into the garden and a figure got out.
01:04:34.000 And lectured me.
01:04:35.000 You have so much power.
01:04:37.000 Just like the guy in the sailboat.
01:04:38.000 You can make this planet a better place.
01:04:41.000 Your obligation now is to use your power and your wealth to make this planet a better place.
01:04:46.000 And she is now one of the leading environmentalists on the planet.
01:04:49.000 She devotes her money and time to this.
01:04:51.000 What's her name?
01:04:52.000 I don't know her name.
01:04:53.000 I don't remember her name.
01:04:53.000 But Jan Harzan, I do know his name.
01:04:56.000 He's head of MUFON. And why is Jan Harzan...
01:05:00.000 An IBM, ex-IBM mainframe engineer, head of MUFON, because when he was a boy in Marin County, California, he and his brother were left for the weekend.
01:05:10.000 He was a 12-year-old brother, and he was 10. An orange orb dropped into his backyard, and two beings got out and played with them for several hours, and then he came back the next day.
01:05:22.000 And Jan said, I have to go into science.
01:05:25.000 I've got to know what that was.
01:05:26.000 That wasn't a helicopter.
01:05:27.000 That wasn't a...
01:05:28.000 Have you had Jan on?
01:05:29.000 No.
01:05:29.000 Have Jan on.
01:05:31.000 You should have Jan on.
01:05:33.000 You should have Beverly Trout on.
01:05:35.000 She's the Midwestern, one of the directors for the Midwest. 0.70
01:05:38.000 Sam Maranto, the expert on the Tinley Park cases, which that is so great.
01:05:42.000 I want to just point out that Dan Aykroyd has no notes in front of him.
01:05:45.000 These words are just flying out of his head.
01:05:47.000 These names are deeply ingrained in his memory.
01:05:50.000 The Tinley Park, I mean, Delta's parking above your family barbecue, you know.
01:05:53.000 So it's entertaining.
01:05:55.000 We've got to get past that they exist and get to the point of how do we benefit our planet?
01:05:59.000 How do we make this planet better?
01:06:00.000 How do we take these warnings?
01:06:02.000 The day the Earth stood still.
01:06:03.000 One of the greatest UFO movies ever.
01:06:05.000 Oh, yeah.
01:06:05.000 He comes down and he says, you know, these nuclear toys you're playing with, we don't like that, you know.
01:06:10.000 So I think that there's some intervention.
01:06:12.000 Klaatu Barada Niktu.
01:06:14.000 Klaatu Barada Niktu.
01:06:15.000 Patricia Neal and that show.
01:06:16.000 What a great movie, man.
01:06:17.000 That's an inaugural movie.
01:06:19.000 What year was that?
01:06:19.000 Have you shown your children that movie yet?
01:06:21.000 No, not yet.
01:06:22.000 You should show your girls.
01:06:23.000 That was in the 50s.
01:06:25.000 Yeah, that's a great one because it really took the real science of what was going on and it took all of the stories that were reported in Bruce's book here and kind of distilled them into a theory of what might be happening.
01:06:38.000 How much of your day do you spend thinking about this?
01:06:41.000 Well, I am an eternal researcher and I'm always looking for stories.
01:06:45.000 I love the MUFON stuff that's coming out.
01:06:48.000 You know, my family was into paranormal research.
01:06:50.000 That's why I wrote the Ghostbusters.
01:06:52.000 My dad was a researcher and his father...
01:06:56.000 That's why you wrote Ghostbusters?
01:06:57.000 Yeah, because we have an old farm in Canada.
01:07:00.000 And my grandfather was a dentist in Kingston, Ontario in the 20s.
01:07:04.000 And a man walked up to him.
01:07:06.000 He had been researching psychic research in the other world and mediumship for many years.
01:07:10.000 And a guy walked up to him and said, Dr. Ackroyd, I believe that I have a gift.
01:07:14.000 And his name was Walter Ashurst.
01:07:15.000 He was a locomotive mechanic at the local...
01:07:25.000 We're good to go.
01:07:52.000 I think he got busted with an earpiece.
01:07:57.000 Well, he may...
01:07:58.000 See if John Edwards, the psychic, got busted.
01:08:01.000 He had some...
01:08:02.000 Well, maybe, you know, sometimes what happens is they lose their powers and they aren't able to... 1.00
01:08:07.000 Or they're full of shit the entire time. 1.00
01:08:09.000 They just get slippery. 1.00
01:08:10.000 John Edwards, though, I watched the show.
01:08:12.000 I kind of believed him.
01:08:14.000 I'm not sure if he was the one that got busted.
01:08:16.000 One of those psychics got busted.
01:08:18.000 I'd like to see you across from Penn Jillette.
01:08:21.000 Yeah, of course.
01:08:22.000 Can you talk to him?
01:08:23.000 Well, he's an expert debunker of all this stuff. 0.99
01:08:26.000 Yeah, super skeptical star of Showtime's bullshit.
01:08:29.000 I'd love to have Penn Jillette tell me what he thinks of the Fox sisters, why they went around the world with a spirit that performed with them. 0.96
01:08:36.000 A what?
01:08:37.000 A spirit wrapped?
01:08:37.000 What happened?
01:08:38.000 A spirit wrapped, yeah.
01:08:39.000 What kind of wrapping?
01:08:40.000 R-A-P. Like wrapping?
01:08:42.000 Yeah, not like...
01:08:44.000 Yeah.
01:08:44.000 Oh, I thought you meant, like, music.
01:08:47.000 Reverberant rapping, yeah.
01:08:48.000 No, I'd love to, you know.
01:08:51.000 Spirit rapper.
01:08:52.000 Mediumship, that's a very big thing.
01:08:57.000 Insane Clown Posse, yeah.
01:08:59.000 Slipknot, there we go.
01:09:00.000 But I... I believe that the consciousness can survive after death.
01:09:05.000 There's a school called Arthur Findlay College in England, and you can go there and train to be a medium.
01:09:09.000 Why you'd want to, I don't know.
01:09:11.000 It's very exhausting.
01:09:12.000 Can you imagine shutting down your whole system, going into a trance, reaching the other side, having that entity come through the other side, use your body, use your fluids, use everything, and then abandon you after, and then just go.
01:09:24.000 It's exhausting, exhausting.
01:09:26.000 My family researched mediumship, and I wrote Ghostbusters based upon, you know, just our family interest.
01:09:32.000 Wow.
01:09:32.000 The Fox sisters.
01:09:34.000 So you're all in.
01:09:35.000 The Fox sisters, you should get them up.
01:09:36.000 There's a picture of them, Fox sisters.
01:09:38.000 In 1848, they were lying in bed in their new house near Hydesville, New York, and all of a sudden this kind of...
01:10:06.000 Is John Edwards a hoser?
01:10:08.000 Peter Popoff?
01:10:09.000 There they are.
01:10:10.000 I looked him up.
01:10:10.000 John Edwards.
01:10:11.000 It didn't come up necessarily that he was.
01:10:13.000 They were all, and they went around the world, tipping tables.
01:10:18.000 Look at them.
01:10:19.000 That's a drawing.
01:10:20.000 They're not even real people.
01:10:21.000 They never existed.
01:10:22.000 No, they did.
01:10:23.000 And they were very well scrutinized.
01:10:23.000 They did.
01:10:26.000 Maggie, in the end of her life, said, no, we were producing these reverberant raps.
01:10:30.000 Why do they have a head? 0.89
01:10:31.000 What is that?
01:10:32.000 Is that them?
01:10:34.000 Uh... 0.59
01:10:35.000 What the hell is that?
01:10:36.000 I don't know what that said.
01:10:38.000 That's out of my realm. 0.95
01:10:39.000 There's something about mean-faced ladies from like the 1800s that scare the shit out of them. 1.00
01:10:43.000 Yeah, there's the cottage. 0.93
01:10:45.000 There's their little cottage.
01:10:45.000 Because it was just such a hard time to be alive.
01:10:47.000 That's the cottage that it occurred in.
01:10:50.000 And, you know, they said it was the ghost of the peddler that was murdered in the basement.
01:10:53.000 And they looked down, they did find some bones.
01:10:55.000 But every time they tried to build the groundwater, a dig for the bones, the groundwater kept filling up.
01:11:00.000 Anyway, Maggie at the end of her life said, no, no, we were faking it.
01:11:03.000 I was creating the raps.
01:11:05.000 Oh, Maggie said she was faking it.
01:11:06.000 Maggie said she was faking it.
01:11:07.000 But she said, I was creating the raps.
01:11:09.000 These reverberated in concert halls.
01:11:11.000 With my knees and my knuckles.
01:11:11.000 Right.
01:11:13.000 You know, I can crack my knuckles, maybe, and my knees.
01:11:16.000 Oh, cracking them?
01:11:18.000 They were slapsies. 1.00
01:11:19.000 They were rappings.
01:11:20.000 That's what she said?
01:11:21.000 Yep.
01:11:21.000 And then she recanted it and said...
01:11:23.000 The skeptics made me do it.
01:11:25.000 I was talked into it.
01:11:26.000 There was so much pressure on me.
01:11:27.000 And in the end of her life, she then recanted her retraction of it.
01:11:32.000 But very convincing.
01:11:33.000 That was the origin of spirituality.
01:11:35.000 People were looking for a new religion.
01:11:37.000 You had Mormonism that had come in in the 20s. 0.99
01:11:39.000 You had all kinds of Protestantism.
01:11:41.000 That area of New York was called the Burnt Over District because the preachers had all been through there.
01:11:45.000 People were believing in all kinds of different religions.
01:11:47.000 They were looking for something new.
01:11:48.000 And spirituality and spiritualism gave them that.
01:11:52.000 But...
01:11:53.000 I've had people contact me that have passed in dreams.
01:11:58.000 I've never seen a ghost.
01:12:00.000 I've never experienced that.
01:12:02.000 But I do believe that consciousness survives after death.
01:12:06.000 I do believe that.
01:12:08.000 It's an interesting idea.
01:12:10.000 There's no evidence that it doesn't.
01:12:12.000 I think that reincarnation is also a fascinating concept that's repeated in many different cultures, and I wonder why.
01:12:20.000 There's a great Tyler Childers song called Born Again, and it's about things living and dying and being reincarnated in different times.
01:12:33.000 I think that's very attractive to people, the idea that our physical body is one thing, but the spiritual body is something entirely different.
01:12:41.000 Well, I think that, you know, atheists... 1.00
01:12:43.000 It's attractive.
01:12:44.000 It is attractive.
01:12:45.000 Atheists are never going to believe that.
01:12:46.000 They're never going to accept that.
01:12:49.000 It's hopeful.
01:12:49.000 It gives us a little hope.
01:12:50.000 And after all, you know, the Kirlians, they... 1.00
01:12:53.000 Who was that?
01:12:54.000 They were a Russian research group.
01:12:56.000 They're famous for the experiment where the Kirlian photography, K-I-R-L-I-A-N, And you want a little citrus? 1.00
01:13:04.000 They photographed a woman.
01:13:08.000 She sat there and she was able to blow smoke into a fishbowl and shape the smoke in the fishbowl. 0.97
01:13:16.000 So here are some Kirlian images.
01:13:18.000 They photographed auras.
01:13:20.000 And they did photograph, you know, 21 grams is supposed to be the weight of the soul.
01:13:25.000 And they photographed a guy dying and they claimed to have photographed his aura leaving his body.
01:13:31.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:13:32.000 All these claims.
01:13:33.000 Is there a photograph of this photograph of her?
01:13:35.000 I don't know.
01:13:37.000 Atomic weight of the soul, 21 grams, and purely in photo of dying man, I don't know.
01:13:41.000 But there you saw the auras, the photographs there.
01:13:44.000 Why would the soul have weight if it doesn't have a physical embodiment?
01:13:48.000 Well, energy, energy, mass, energy.
01:13:50.000 Electricity doesn't have any weight, does it?
01:13:52.000 What's going...
01:13:53.000 Well, I don't know if it did.
01:13:55.000 It acts as a certain force.
01:13:57.000 It's certainly a force.
01:13:58.000 That's an interesting...
01:14:00.000 But mass is what reacts to scales, gravity.
01:14:05.000 Yeah, right.
01:14:07.000 I mean, well, electrons, you know, there's a mass there.
01:14:11.000 There's an atomic mass, atomic weight.
01:14:12.000 21 grams seems like a lot.
01:14:14.000 It does.
01:14:14.000 It does seem like a lot, yeah.
01:14:16.000 Fat-ass soul. 0.99
01:14:17.000 But the Kirlians were, yeah. 1.00
01:14:21.000 That would be a fat soul. 0.98
01:14:22.000 Yeah, I remember they made a movie about it.
01:14:24.000 You're into everything, man.
01:14:25.000 You're into ghosts, you're into Bigfoot, you're into aliens, UFO abductions, everything.
01:14:31.000 Well, it's entertaining.
01:14:33.000 I'm an entertainer.
01:14:33.000 Yes, it is entertaining.
01:14:34.000 And I feel like an alien.
01:14:36.000 You're remarkably sane.
01:14:38.000 For somebody who holds all of these different things inside their head.
01:14:41.000 I don't know.
01:14:42.000 My family would maybe say not.
01:14:43.000 Do you smoke pot?
01:14:44.000 You know, I'm allergic to terpenes.
01:14:47.000 I love the cannabis story.
01:14:50.000 Terpenes are an oil.
01:14:53.000 It's in everything.
01:14:54.000 It's like lemony.
01:14:55.000 Is it pot?
01:14:56.000 Terpenes, yeah.
01:14:57.000 If you have good pot and you're smoking good pot, what you're smoking, the terpenes, that's what gives it its power.
01:15:03.000 Terpenes give pot its power? 0.95
01:15:05.000 Yeah, well, it's part of the element.
01:15:06.000 I thought it was THC. Well, it's an oil.
01:15:10.000 Terpenes is an oil that's in there in all marijuana.
01:15:15.000 So you're allergic to marijuana?
01:15:17.000 No.
01:15:17.000 I'm allergic to the terpenes, the cannabinoid.
01:15:19.000 My dad is on the cannabis oil right now to go to sleep.
01:15:23.000 He's 97 years old.
01:15:24.000 Shout out to your dad.
01:15:26.000 Everybody has cannabinoid receptors in them.
01:15:31.000 It is a tremendously healing thing.
01:15:34.000 There's the terpene, there's a chart, a cool chart.
01:15:37.000 Yeah, terpene benefits, marijuana terpenes, yeah.
01:15:40.000 So somehow...
01:15:41.000 Look at all that stuff.
01:15:41.000 Yeah, look at it now, you know, and different breeders will put something.
01:15:44.000 My partner and friend, Jimmy Belushi, has a farm in Oregon.
01:15:48.000 He grows it, and he's researching it. 1.00
01:15:51.000 Oh, he's a dirty drug addict. 0.99
01:15:52.000 He's up there selling drugs to people. 1.00
01:15:54.000 Jim Belushi, pushing drugs.
01:15:56.000 Well, it's legal now in Oregon.
01:15:58.000 Brother John, selling drugs.
01:16:00.000 Yeah.
01:16:00.000 Well, the point is that if John had been a pothead, he'd be alive today.
01:16:05.000 Sure.
01:16:05.000 Because he died of a cocaine and heroin.
01:16:09.000 Speedball.
01:16:09.000 Speedball injection.
01:16:11.000 If I'd have had him smoking pot there in the vineyard, like, you know, back then, he would be alive today.
01:16:11.000 Yeah.
01:16:18.000 My generation of comedians or potheads was a lot of...
01:16:22.000 I hear Seth Rogen's office at Columbia pictures had to be defumed and defogged when he left.
01:16:28.000 I gave him Stoner of the Year award one day.
01:16:31.000 Yeah.
01:16:32.000 One of the High Times awards.
01:16:34.000 Yeah.
01:16:34.000 I presented him.
01:16:36.000 Well, cannabis is tremendously valuable.
01:16:39.000 We're finding if you take the THC out and put the CBD in there, that's great for arthritis and that.
01:16:45.000 I like the smell of weed.
01:16:47.000 You just can't smoke it because you're allergic to it.
01:16:49.000 It just bothers me a certain way.
01:16:51.000 You should go to an hour just to get that cured.
01:16:53.000 Well, sure, sure.
01:16:54.000 So I rely on the beverage and alcohol.
01:16:57.000 Have you ever had psychedelic experiences?
01:16:57.000 What about psychedelics?
01:16:59.000 Yes, I've taken acid and psilocybin and mescaline.
01:17:03.000 Have you ever had some sort of encounters while on psilocybin?
01:17:08.000 One of the things that makes me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials is some of the experiences that I've had on tryptamines.
01:17:19.000 You know, particularly dimethyltryptamine, but also psilocybin is...
01:17:24.000 DMT goes way back for me.
01:17:26.000 That goes back to high school.
01:17:27.000 How long back is that?
01:17:29.000 The DMT, yeah.
01:17:30.000 Last time it was a year and a half ago?
01:17:33.000 In a controlled situation?
01:17:35.000 Yeah.
01:17:35.000 Tell me about your experience.
01:17:36.000 I'd be interested to know.
01:17:37.000 It's kind of a little speedy.
01:17:39.000 That's a DMT tattoo.
01:17:42.000 That's a DMT molecule.
01:17:43.000 Oh, okay, yeah.
01:17:44.000 I've had a bunch of them.
01:17:46.000 It's healing for mental health.
01:17:48.000 They're finding that it has a great effect as a palliative.
01:17:53.000 Profound alleviation of anxiety.
01:17:55.000 There you go.
01:17:56.000 Because it transforms your perception of where you stand in the world, and it's an absolute ego dissolver.
01:18:03.000 You were confronted with experiences that defied logic.
01:18:09.000 This is interesting.
01:18:11.000 One of the things that shied me away from UFOs was DMT. Because?
01:18:16.000 Because it was so profound.
01:18:17.000 It was so crazy that if a UFO landed right in front of my house, I'd be like, yeah, it's not DMT, though.
01:18:24.000 Because DMT was a completely different dimension, and there were things there.
01:18:30.000 You were in a controlled environment.
01:18:31.000 You were friends.
01:18:33.000 Yeah.
01:18:33.000 Yes.
01:18:34.000 Were you seated?
01:18:35.000 Were you in nature?
01:18:36.000 Seated.
01:18:37.000 In the house.
01:18:37.000 In my house.
01:18:38.000 Yeah, and you took how much?
01:18:40.000 Well, you take three giant hits.
01:18:42.000 Who makes that stuff?
01:18:43.000 I can't tell you.
01:18:45.000 That's not something you can buy.
01:18:47.000 They shut down your sci-fi show for talking about aliens.
01:18:50.000 No, no, that's right.
01:18:51.000 DMT has some prejudice against it, and you can't get that at the drugstore.
01:18:55.000 It's in thousands of plants.
01:18:57.000 It's literally in almost every plant in nature.
01:18:59.000 In fact, one of the Yeah.
01:19:07.000 Yeah.
01:19:16.000 And saw God.
01:19:16.000 Exactly.
01:19:17.000 Well, they think that this is just a problem with translation, is that this idea of the burning bush, like, oh, there was a burning bush.
01:19:24.000 Well, maybe, or maybe they figured out a way to extract the dimethyltryptamine from the acacia tree.
01:19:31.000 Or this bush, Acacia Bush as well.
01:19:34.000 And that they took this small amount of dimethyltryptamine from this fire and inhaled it and had this profound religious experience like I've experienced, like many people have experienced, that have taken it.
01:19:46.000 And I think that...
01:19:48.000 One thing that happens when you do this is you're confronted with entities.
01:19:53.000 Now, I don't know what these things are, but they seem to be communicating with you, and they seem to be talking to you, and they seem to know everything about you.
01:20:00.000 So the question is, is that really your subconscious?
01:20:03.000 Is this what you know about yourself stripped down to some very bare, raw form?
01:20:10.000 And then confronted with the psychedelics that perturb your visual cortex.
01:20:16.000 So they provide you with all these intense visualizations.
01:20:19.000 Or is it a chemical portal to another dimension?
01:20:23.000 Were they effulgent beings?
01:20:25.000 Light beings?
01:20:26.000 The way I describe them is they're complex geometric patterns made out of love and understanding.
01:20:31.000 And that they're communicating with you.
01:20:32.000 Sounds like, you know, H.P. Lovecraft was a wonderful writer.
01:20:35.000 And he describes...
01:20:38.000 Time Machine.
01:20:38.000 Yeah.
01:20:38.000 No, that was H.G. Wells.
01:20:40.000 But H.P. Lovecraft, he wrote the Cthulhu, the Dunwich Horror, and the books about Cthulhu.
01:20:45.000 That's right, the Cthulhu.
01:20:46.000 And he kind of walked out of his life and disappeared from his family and all that.
01:20:51.000 Where'd he go?
01:20:53.000 Well, they kind of went out for cigarettes and kind of never came back.
01:20:56.000 No one ever found him again?
01:20:57.000 Well, no, I think they found him, but he had vanished for a while.
01:20:59.000 H.P. Lovecraft, maybe look up Grave or Demise.
01:21:03.000 But, you know, he wrote about geometric shapes.
01:21:07.000 He wrote about interdimensional geometric shapes and getting to a space where you saw the universe in terms of geometry and diamond-shaped things and multi-patterns and colors and Do you know the artist Alex Gray?
01:21:22.000 Do you know who he is?
01:21:23.000 Alex Gray is a beautiful artist.
01:21:23.000 I don't.
01:21:25.000 I mean, amazing, amazing guy.
01:21:26.000 And all of his stuff is tryptamine-based artwork.
01:21:30.000 Pull up some Alex Gray stuff so he can see it.
01:21:33.000 Literally, when you see it, you go, oh, I recognize that.
01:21:37.000 I recognize that.
01:21:38.000 How long was your voyage?
01:21:40.000 All of them are about 15 minutes to 20 minutes long, depending upon...
01:21:45.000 This is all Alex Gray stuff.
01:21:46.000 Oh, beautiful.
01:21:48.000 Pull up the one with...
01:21:48.000 Look at that.
01:21:50.000 That one down on the very bottom in the middle.
01:21:52.000 There's a couple of skulls.
01:21:53.000 Yeah, look at that.
01:21:54.000 That's very similar to what it feels like when you do dimethyltryptamine.
01:21:59.000 And Alex has had...
01:22:00.000 Wow.
01:22:02.000 If I dropped a little purple barrel right now and just looked at that, I'd have a nice afternoon.
01:22:07.000 Exactly.
01:22:09.000 Well, a lot of the most profound psychedelic experiences are the compounds.
01:22:16.000 They mimic normal human neurochemistry.
01:22:20.000 Like dimethyltryptamine, it's a natural occurring compound in the human brain.
01:22:25.000 It's produced by your liver, your lungs, and there's a lot of evidence, at least in mammals, it's produced by your pineal gland, which is literally your third eye.
01:22:34.000 That is.
01:22:34.000 That's right.
01:22:35.000 I did DMT way back.
01:22:36.000 I think I was in high school or something.
01:22:38.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:22:39.000 And I think I was at a motorcycle ice race or something while doing it.
01:22:39.000 You know, something.
01:22:43.000 So that was...
01:22:43.000 A motorcycle ice race and DMT. You're living on the edge in high school, man.
01:22:47.000 This goddamn Canadian. 0.99
01:22:48.000 Well, that's what the, you know, motorcycle ice racing, you get a little small bike like a Jawa CZ and you put the metal rims with the studs and then you race around the ice. 1.00
01:22:57.000 I never did it, but I saw it and I think I was, that's what I went to.
01:23:02.000 My friend said, hey, take one of these and we'll have a better time.
01:23:06.000 Yeah.
01:23:06.000 I didn't see any beings, but the race was fun.
01:23:09.000 Take one how?
01:23:10.000 Orally?
01:23:11.000 How did you take it?
01:23:12.000 He said it was a pill.
01:23:14.000 It was a cap.
01:23:14.000 Oh, that doesn't work.
01:23:15.000 You have to inject it?
01:23:17.000 Yeah, well, no, you need to freebase it.
01:23:19.000 DMT is...
01:23:21.000 Your body produces...
01:23:22.000 He said it was a cap.
01:23:23.000 He gave it to me like the size of a horse cap.
01:23:25.000 Right.
01:23:25.000 Maybe it was horse drank and I never know.
01:23:28.000 He said it was DMT. It's not.
01:23:30.000 Well, if it was, it doesn't work because your body produces monoamine oxidase and the only way that DMT works orally is if you take an MAO inhibitor.
01:23:39.000 This is what ayahuasca is.
01:23:41.000 I didn't have that with it.
01:23:42.000 Yeah.
01:23:43.000 See, ayahuasca is what the indigenous people of the Amazon have figured out is how to take DMT with harming... 1.00
01:23:50.000 From the plants.
01:23:51.000 From the plants.
01:23:51.000 Right, and harmine is a naturally occurring MAO inhibitor.
01:23:54.000 So that's how you can take it orally.
01:23:57.000 It's also why the experience is not as intense, but it's longer.
01:24:00.000 And many people find it more spiritual because you can relax.
01:24:03.000 Jimmy's done it.
01:24:04.000 You can fall into the experience better.
01:24:05.000 Yeah, Jimmy's done the ayahuasca.
01:24:06.000 But it's not in a capsule form.
01:24:08.000 He dosed you up with someone else.
01:24:10.000 Well, yeah, I don't know.
01:24:11.000 Yeah, no, I guess it was something else.
01:24:13.000 Who knows back then?
01:24:14.000 Who knows?
01:24:14.000 It could have been psilocybin.
01:24:15.000 Well, psilocybin...
01:24:16.000 We're good to go.
01:24:35.000 4-foriloxy-NM-dimethyltryptamine.
01:24:38.000 This is out of psilocybin.
01:24:39.000 So maybe he gave you psilocybin pills.
01:24:41.000 Which is real common.
01:24:43.000 That's real common.
01:24:43.000 Yeah, it could be.
01:24:44.000 But usually if I were to take psilocybin, I'd just eat the mushroom.
01:24:47.000 Yes.
01:24:48.000 A lot of people take them in capsule form, though, so they can get exact dosages.
01:24:51.000 I remember sprinkling it on my cereal once.
01:24:53.000 What?
01:24:53.000 Yeah.
01:24:54.000 And then going to deliver the mail.
01:24:56.000 Yeah, my friend took him in peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
01:24:59.000 I ate a bowl of psilocybin and then I went and picked up my mail truck.
01:25:04.000 I was a royal mail carrier.
01:25:06.000 That was an interesting morning.
01:25:08.000 Did you get everybody's mail to the right place?
01:25:09.000 Oh yeah, it'd be fast.
01:25:13.000 But that's one of the things that made me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials, but more closed off to the ideas of these stories that people tell.
01:25:23.000 Because I felt like these stories that people tell were so crude, it was almost like they were trying to...
01:25:31.000 We're good to go.
01:25:39.000 We're good to go.
01:25:44.000 And during sleep is when they believe your body's generating dimethyltryptamine.
01:25:49.000 They believe that DMT is also responsible for dreams.
01:25:52.000 But, you know, the Linda Cortia case is pretty compelling.
01:25:55.000 She comes out of the apartment.
01:25:56.000 She's grabbed by an orange orb.
01:25:57.000 Which one was this?
01:25:58.000 This was in the evening, early evening.
01:26:00.000 Yeah, but that's the thing.
01:26:01.000 The nighttime.
01:26:01.000 Yeah, but there were two witnesses from the Brooklyn Bridge.
01:26:05.000 Two United Nations security officers.
01:26:07.000 They saw something.
01:26:07.000 And a judge, a New York State judge, that saw the whole thing.
01:26:10.000 They saw her being abducted?
01:26:11.000 They saw her being slipped, sucked through her window into the orb and plunged into each river.
01:26:17.000 Yes!
01:26:17.000 Really?
01:26:18.000 Independently they told the same story?
01:26:20.000 No, they were together in the car and they saw it.
01:26:22.000 Oh, okay.
01:26:23.000 A New York State judge saw it.
01:26:25.000 He's independent.
01:26:25.000 He's independent?
01:26:26.000 So he came forward as well once it started to come out.
01:26:29.000 And these two guys went to the apartment where Linda lived.
01:26:31.000 That wasn't her real name.
01:26:33.000 And, of course, she was freaked out that someone would come in and talk to her.
01:26:36.000 It was a while before they were able to get her to talk about it.
01:26:39.000 It is possible.
01:26:40.000 The thing about it is that if these were unique occurrences that only happen once every 10 years or something like that, and very rarely, and it did happen, and you were left with this memory and this thing, go try telling it to people that haven't experienced it.
01:26:53.000 Good luck.
01:26:54.000 Good luck getting them to believe you.
01:26:55.000 You need people, just like you experienced trauma, a car accident, you need people around you who love you to listen to you and say, I believe you and I want to help you.
01:27:02.000 Right.
01:27:03.000 And Ruffle is a lady who helps with abductees, and there's some psychiatrists who deal with it.
01:27:09.000 Yeah.
01:27:09.000 Yeah.
01:27:10.000 Well, that's the John Mack thing, right?
01:27:13.000 John Mack, who was a...
01:27:15.000 Harvard psychiatrist.
01:27:16.000 He was a psychiatrist, and he was a very pragmatic, reasonable person, and started these...
01:27:24.000 He was dealing with these people that were having these traumatic experiences, and he was trying to break them down.
01:27:28.000 I believe it was hypnotic regression that was the initial tool, right?
01:27:32.000 And through that, he sort of...
01:27:34.000 Sort of started piecing together that these people independently had remarkably similar stories.
01:27:40.000 Right.
01:27:41.000 Was it hypnagogic sleep?
01:27:42.000 Was it hypnagogic sleep?
01:27:43.000 There's 320 million people in this country alone.
01:27:48.000 If 100...
01:28:02.000 I've tried to be open-minded.
01:28:05.000 I think if you went out to the local mall and said, do you know what a UFO is?
01:28:10.000 Yes.
01:28:11.000 Have you ever seen one?
01:28:12.000 No.
01:28:13.000 Do you know anybody who's ever seen one?
01:28:14.000 Yes.
01:28:15.000 I think if you went out to the outer perimeters there...
01:28:18.000 It's perhaps.
01:28:19.000 Yeah, it's perhaps.
01:28:20.000 Look, that's the importance of skeptics.
01:28:23.000 It is.
01:28:24.000 But, you know, these guys who come on, like Michael Shermer and other people and Philip Klass, they come on and they try to debunk these UFO stories, but they don't have their facts straight.
01:28:35.000 They don't haven't done the research.
01:28:37.000 They haven't studied these cases.
01:28:39.000 They come and they just blanket say, it's not real.
01:28:42.000 Michael has never met a conspiracy that he doesn't want to debunk.
01:28:45.000 Right.
01:28:46.000 The only thing that recently he came out with was that he thinks that Jeffrey Epstein might have been murdered.
01:28:51.000 I was like, whoa.
01:28:52.000 Hell, yeah, yeah.
01:28:52.000 Yeah.
01:28:53.000 It might be a conspiracy.
01:28:55.000 Is that so far out of our range of belief?
01:28:57.000 No, but it has to go that far.
01:28:59.000 It has to go that far where a guy is on suicide watch and they go, ah, don't try to kill yourself again.
01:29:05.000 And then leave him in the jail cell with a former cop who's a giant gorilla. 0.67
01:29:10.000 They kind of let him do what he wanted to do.
01:29:13.000 I think they killed that guy. 0.97
01:29:14.000 I think they let him kill himself. 0.93
01:29:16.000 I think they let him. 0.99
01:29:18.000 Or they might have killed him. 0.62
01:29:20.000 He had a broken neck.
01:29:22.000 Mmm, that's true.
01:29:24.000 It's hard to break a neck, man.
01:29:25.000 It's true, that's right.
01:29:26.000 Just asphyxiation, that's right.
01:29:28.000 That's right, yeah. 0.99
01:29:29.000 Well, if anyone deserved to die, that mofu did. 1.00
01:29:32.000 Yes, yeah. 0.97
01:29:33.000 If everyone's telling the truth, I believe you're right.
01:29:36.000 The whole story of UFOs is so interesting.
01:29:36.000 Yeah.
01:29:42.000 It's so interesting because of the Fermi paradox, because of this concept that if there are these...
01:29:57.000 Multiverse, people.
01:29:59.000 Physicists refer to all the time.
01:30:01.000 Neil Tyson will refer to the multiverse, happily and comfortably.
01:30:05.000 Well, he also will refer to the concept that not only is the universe infinite, but what infinity truly means is the real version of infinite is not just it's really big, but it's that it's so big that there are an infinite numbers of Dan Aykroyds,
01:30:23.000 Joe Rogans, and Jamie Vernons in a room.
01:30:26.000 And there's an infinite number of versions of this conversation that we're having.
01:30:30.000 That's right.
01:30:30.000 There was a philosophy, a philosopher a few years ago, he believed that everything that you think, like if I think, okay, I want to go steal a Cadillac, well, in another dimension, I've stolen that Cadillac and I've done that.
01:30:41.000 Yeah.
01:30:42.000 You know, and he believed that everything we think can become reality in another dimension and does become reality in another dimension.
01:30:48.000 There's so many different possibilities.
01:30:52.000 It's impossible for our puny little brains to wrap our heads around.
01:30:55.000 I had Nick Bosterman, who's a philosopher who is famous for his work on simulation theory and the concept of artificial intelligence and sentient artificial intelligence.
01:31:07.000 He was freaking me out yesterday, where he was talking about, essentially, it's more probable that you are in a simulation than you're not in a simulation.
01:31:16.000 And it was so hard for me...
01:31:18.000 Looking around your studio here in this place, this is a simulation.
01:31:22.000 I mean, I will not divulge what I saw in this incredible warehouse here, but the greatest gym...
01:31:30.000 I've ever seen the greatest workout space.
01:31:32.000 Well, I feel like my whole life doesn't make any sense.
01:31:35.000 So if anybody should believe in a simulation, it should be me.
01:31:39.000 Yeah, no, I'm in a wonderful simulation here today.
01:31:42.000 This is just great.
01:31:43.000 Yeah, no, look, you know, human experience, it's just wonderful.
01:31:47.000 How we wake up in the morning, human identity, you know, the electrochemical.
01:31:52.000 How about love?
01:31:53.000 Love.
01:31:53.000 Just our ability to see friends and the beautiful feeling it gets when you hug a friend.
01:31:59.000 Is it just pheromones?
01:32:00.000 Is it just electrochemical?
01:32:02.000 Just something more.
01:32:03.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:32:04.000 And love is what should drive us.
01:32:05.000 We are here to give and receive love.
01:32:07.000 And once we figure that out, the world's going to be a lot better.
01:32:11.000 We have to... 0.94
01:32:12.000 If you don't have that, everything else is horseshit.
01:32:14.000 You can have a $100 million house and a private jet.
01:32:17.000 If you don't have love, you don't have anything.
01:32:18.000 You're missing the key ingredient.
01:32:21.000 That's right.
01:32:21.000 It's like having cement but not having water.
01:32:24.000 That's right.
01:32:25.000 You have the mix, but you don't have the water.
01:32:27.000 You have nothing. 1.00
01:32:28.000 You ain't building any house, motherfucker. 1.00
01:32:31.000 Unfortunately, there's so much lack of love in the world for other people and other people. 0.99
01:32:37.000 And there's so many people that want to, instead of propagate love, they want to propagate anger.
01:32:43.000 And they want to propagate hate.
01:32:44.000 And it's so easy to do.
01:32:46.000 And so many people are dissatisfied by their own existence that they want to do that.
01:32:49.000 But they don't understand that by doing that, you are perpetuating this whole terrible cycle that you've been caught up in yourself.
01:32:57.000 If you go out there hating on everybody and being shitty to everybody and throwing all this anger out there in the world...
01:33:03.000 That you are literally poisoning yourself.
01:33:06.000 There's a wonderful quote about jealousy that I think also applies to hate, is that it's one of the rare things that is ineffective on the person who's your target, but works on you instead.
01:33:19.000 Like, if you're jealous, if there's a person out there like, oh, I wish I was living her life, and you're angry at her, like, it's not hurting her.
01:33:29.000 It doesn't even No, that's like pissing in the wind.
01:33:31.000 You feel the poison.
01:33:33.000 It's poison that works on you.
01:33:34.000 You piss in the wind, that piss is going to come right back on you.
01:33:36.000 It's just hard for people to understand that there's techniques and there's strategies and there's philosophies that can help you steer through this world with a happier life.
01:33:47.000 And that is a big part of it.
01:33:50.000 A big part of it is embracing love and friendship and camaraderie and being nice to people.
01:33:55.000 I think it's much easier to be nice than to be mean.
01:33:58.000 Yeah, it's hard for some people because they're not even nice to themselves.
01:34:02.000 Well, self-love is where it all starts.
01:34:04.000 If you don't like yourself, you ain't going to do too well out there with anybody else.
01:34:08.000 And, you know, sometimes I wake up in the morning, I don't really like myself or what I've done the day before or in the past.
01:34:13.000 But, you know, in the end, I've got to love myself enough to get up and get going and keep going.
01:34:18.000 Yeah, just don't get too much of this wild crystal vodka.
01:34:20.000 No, no, everything in moderation.
01:34:22.000 Hey, can you fall in love with a vehicle?
01:34:24.000 Yes, what do you got, man?
01:34:25.000 I brought you Hemmings Motor News.
01:34:27.000 You know this book, don't you?
01:34:27.000 I can't read that thing.
01:34:28.000 I'll go crazy and start buying cars.
01:34:30.000 No, no, that's me too.
01:34:31.000 But what's your dream car like?
01:34:33.000 I know you've got that beautiful Land Rover up there, Land Cruiser.
01:34:36.000 I have a lot of cars.
01:34:37.000 I love cars.
01:34:39.000 Yeah, what...
01:34:40.000 Yeah?
01:34:40.000 What kind of cars do you like?
01:34:42.000 Well, I love American muscle cars.
01:34:44.000 Those are my favorite from the 1960s.
01:34:46.000 Those are my favorite.
01:34:47.000 Like Dodges?
01:34:48.000 I have a 65 Corvette that I love to death.
01:34:52.000 I have a 69 Nova that's being built right now.
01:34:55.000 Oh, yeah.
01:34:55.000 My friend had a Nova.
01:34:57.000 My friend had a 490 Ford Fairlane GT speed equipped.
01:35:01.000 Oh, those are great.
01:35:01.000 That was great.
01:35:02.000 He had a Camaro 454 Camaro.
01:35:04.000 Nice.
01:35:05.000 Yeah, that was fun, man.
01:35:06.000 I just think there's something that happened during the 1960s.
01:35:09.000 There was like this incredibly potent moment in the universe where this part of the world...
01:35:17.000 Lee Iacocca.
01:35:17.000 Well, not just Lee Iacocca, because that was Chrysler.
01:35:20.000 It was also Ford, and it was Chevy.
01:35:24.000 But the Mustang was Lee's, yeah.
01:35:27.000 Wasn't he Chrysler?
01:35:28.000 No, he started with the Mustang, but he went to Chrysler.
01:35:31.000 No, the muscle cars of that time.
01:35:32.000 The Mustang was Lee Iacocca.
01:35:33.000 Right, right, right.
01:35:34.000 The Super B. Shelby.
01:35:36.000 Yeah, Shelby. 1.00
01:35:37.000 Carroll Shelby.
01:35:38.000 The Super B. That was so much fun.
01:35:41.000 Barracudas.
01:35:41.000 Those Barracudas.
01:35:43.000 But the point to me is that there was something that happened during that time with American automobile manufacturers.
01:35:51.000 They had...
01:35:52.000 Come up with designs and they were influenced in a way that they created these iconic images that if you looked at a 1960s car, those 1960s cars are so incredibly valuable and cherished.
01:36:06.000 Whereas late 1970s, you get a 1979 car, nobody gives a fuck about that car. 0.99
01:36:12.000 Like in 10 years, the cars went from being amazing to dog shit. 0.99
01:36:16.000 The 70s were pretty bad for automobiles. 1.00
01:36:18.000 80s too.
01:36:19.000 They hit a blip.
01:36:20.000 They had this, especially American muscle cars, they hit this blip.
01:36:24.000 And then during this blip, they created Camaros and Dodge Chargers and Shelby GT500s.
01:36:33.000 Which the young people bought into and loved.
01:36:35.000 And now today, you can't get a young person to even go to in a showroom.
01:36:40.000 The people who are listening to your show, and I would say 80% of them, they're in taxis or Uber or buses.
01:36:47.000 They don't care about cars.
01:36:49.000 Yeah, the Uber thing's interesting, right?
01:36:50.000 It's like people who live in New York City.
01:36:52.000 I have friends who live in Manhattan.
01:36:53.000 They were born and raised.
01:36:54.000 They don't even know how to drive a car.
01:36:56.000 All my kids didn't get their licenses until they were in their 20s.
01:36:58.000 Here's a 1969 Dodge Dart GTS. They want 77 grand for it.
01:37:03.000 They're very valuable.
01:37:04.000 I know.
01:37:05.000 They're really, really valuable.
01:37:06.000 What are you doing with that magnet?
01:37:07.000 Why'd you bring that?
01:37:08.000 Because I know you love cars.
01:37:09.000 I wanted to give it to you.
01:37:10.000 Do you have any cars?
01:37:11.000 Oh, sir.
01:37:13.000 Sir.
01:37:14.000 Tell me what you got.
01:37:16.000 My father got me into this, you know.
01:37:18.000 So, I think my favorite, like, my favorite car that I have is a 1932 Pierce Arrow 1604 limousine.
01:37:26.000 This is the car that, and it's been untouched.
01:37:29.000 I basically found it in a barn and I've never touched it.
01:37:32.000 The Pierce Arrows were built between 1908 and...
01:37:34.000 I'm not familiar with that.
01:37:35.000 Oh, the Pierce Arrow.
01:37:37.000 Pierce Arrow Museum, Buffalo, New York.
01:37:39.000 P-I-E-R-C-E. You said a 69 Pierce Arrow?
01:37:42.000 No, 32. 32. Oh, geez.
01:37:44.000 Way off.
01:37:45.000 Okay, so Pierce Arrow made cars between 1908 and trucks and bicycles.
01:37:50.000 Between 1908 and 1938. 1938 they got bought by Studebaker.
01:37:53.000 What happened in the 30s, they began to build these big luxury coaches in the 30s, in the depression.
01:37:59.000 To compete with Packard and Rolls-Royce and Graham Page and all the other big companies that were out there.
01:38:04.000 The White House always had pierceros.
01:38:07.000 White House Motor Fleet will show the pierceros.
01:38:09.000 And the piercero is beautiful because it had, you know, the bullet headlights that are on most old cars from the 30s.
01:38:15.000 The piercero has the headlights fused into the fender like sculpture.
01:38:19.000 You see?
01:38:20.000 There they are.
01:38:20.000 You see how the fender is fused in?
01:38:24.000 It's like part of the car.
01:38:25.000 And so I have a 32-1604.
01:38:28.000 J. Edgar Hoover had those.
01:38:29.000 That's like a Bonnie and Clyde type car.
01:38:31.000 Oh, yeah.
01:38:31.000 No, I need the Thompson Auto, you know, 100-round drum.
01:38:36.000 Does anybody take one of those and put like a modern suspension in it?
01:38:40.000 Many times, but I've kept mine original.
01:38:41.000 It's never been touched.
01:38:42.000 You see the way the headlights are fused right into it?
01:38:44.000 So I have a 32. It kind of looks like that.
01:38:46.000 It's green and all beaten up.
01:38:48.000 Yeah, they're pretty cars.
01:38:49.000 So that's my kind of...
01:38:50.000 Those are pretty, but they don't resonate with me.
01:38:53.000 Well, I like it.
01:38:54.000 It's a V12. It's an Allison V12. It's the same engine that they had in the P51 Mustang.
01:38:59.000 No, it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate it.
01:39:01.000 It's like I don't have any...
01:39:02.000 I don't lust for them.
01:39:03.000 No, I like the old one.
01:39:04.000 Like if I see a 1971 Barracuda, I lust for it.
01:39:08.000 Yeah, that's in there, yeah.
01:39:09.000 I get excited.
01:39:10.000 So I like that car.
01:39:10.000 I have a little Bentley, a little 48 Mark VI Bentley.
01:39:13.000 It's got an overheld valve, six in it.
01:39:15.000 It was built at the end of the war, you know, to kind of get England back into production.
01:39:18.000 I like that car.
01:39:20.000 But...
01:39:22.000 My regular everyday driver, and this will be completely boring to most people on the planet, I have a 2011 Ultimate Edition Mercury Grand Marquis Luxury Sport four-door sedan.
01:39:36.000 Okay, that's like, what's that?
01:39:38.000 The New York Times said when the production of the big Fords were discontinued, the big Grand Marquis, when they were discontinued in 2011, they went out of the business.
01:39:48.000 They stopped making them.
01:39:49.000 The New York Times said, you've always liked one, but you never really wanted one.
01:39:55.000 Well, I found two of them in upstate New York.
01:39:59.000 And they used to be, and I found them, and I looked, I was driving in Auburn, New York, and I saw, I was whipping by in this town on my way down, and I saw these two cars sitting there with snow, and I looked, I liked that Grand Marquis, so I found out about them.
01:40:15.000 Bought them, found out they were both equipped by the U.S. State Department motor pool for a diplomatic career.
01:40:22.000 They had lights and sirens in them, and they had work done on the motors.
01:40:26.000 I'm on the 401 in Toronto.
01:40:29.000 A Mercedes, you know, 300C will pull up behind me and want me to move over and say, okay, geriatric driver in the old marquee, move over.
01:40:36.000 And I just go...
01:40:38.000 And I'm gone with this thing, man.
01:40:40.000 Big V8. No chip in it.
01:40:42.000 There it is.
01:40:42.000 That's it.
01:40:43.000 That's my car.
01:40:44.000 Yeah, that looks like a government car.
01:40:45.000 If that was probably over, I'd check my paperwork.
01:40:47.000 Yeah, no.
01:40:48.000 And it's got the beautiful...
01:40:50.000 Mine are black, and it's got the beautiful V8, and it's got the engine work.
01:40:53.000 So that's my regular driver.
01:40:54.000 It's kind of funny.
01:40:55.000 That's hilarious that you drive one of those around.
01:40:56.000 Oh, yeah.
01:40:56.000 And it's a total sleeper.
01:40:58.000 Total sleeper.
01:40:59.000 Oh, yeah.
01:40:59.000 I pull up the lights, the Corvettes, to look at them, and I take them.
01:41:02.000 I take them.
01:41:03.000 No problem.
01:41:04.000 And that thing.
01:41:05.000 That's hilarious.
01:41:06.000 Isn't that funny?
01:41:07.000 Yeah.
01:41:07.000 That is funny.
01:41:08.000 So I love the old Packards and that.
01:41:09.000 So you like the muscle cars?
01:41:10.000 Yeah.
01:41:11.000 I like Tesla.
01:41:12.000 I'm wearing a Tesla t-shirt.
01:41:14.000 Have you ever driven a Tesla?
01:41:15.000 Yeah.
01:41:15.000 I've got one out there.
01:41:17.000 Oh, they're beautiful.
01:41:18.000 I love that guy.
01:41:19.000 What a visionary.
01:41:20.000 What a man, man.
01:41:22.000 I mean, come on.
01:41:22.000 He went to Queen's University in my hometown.
01:41:25.000 Did he?
01:41:25.000 Yeah, in Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
01:41:27.000 Penitentiary capital of the country.
01:41:29.000 He went to Queen's University, which is like your Harvard or Reed or Yale, and he went there for two years.
01:41:36.000 So whenever, I've never met Elon, but I'm going to sit down and talk to him about those Kingston winters.
01:41:40.000 He's a great guy.
01:41:41.000 Yeah.
01:41:41.000 His car is the most preposterously fast car I've ever driven in my life.
01:41:46.000 What's he got?
01:41:47.000 What's he driving?
01:41:48.000 Well, the thing that I have out there, I have a Model S. Oh, I'll look at it.
01:41:52.000 A P100D. Oh, yeah.
01:41:53.000 It is the most ridiculous car I've ever driven. 1.00
01:41:56.000 It makes other cars feel dumb. 0.99
01:41:57.000 I have other cars that I enjoy because I love engineering.
01:42:00.000 I love cars.
01:42:01.000 I just love them.
01:42:03.000 I've always loved them since I was a kid. 1.00
01:42:04.000 But that Tesla makes them all look stupid. 1.00
01:42:07.000 They're all dumb. 1.00
01:42:09.000 That car goes 0 to 60 in 2.4 seconds. 1.00
01:42:11.000 It makes no sound.
01:42:13.000 It transcends.
01:42:14.000 It just moves through space and time in a different way.
01:42:17.000 It punches a hole through life itself.
01:42:21.000 Just...
01:42:22.000 Oh, brilliant.
01:42:23.000 And it's there.
01:42:24.000 Have you ever driven one?
01:42:26.000 I had a friend who had one in Toronto.
01:42:28.000 That's a no.
01:42:29.000 You need to drive one, Dan Aykroyd.
01:42:31.000 He took me out for it.
01:42:32.000 I wish we weren't liquored up.
01:42:33.000 I'd give you the keys to mine.
01:42:34.000 They're zapped.
01:42:35.000 Yeah, no, we have drivers today.
01:42:37.000 No, they zapped through that, yeah.
01:42:39.000 You need to drive one.
01:42:40.000 You need to drive mine.
01:42:41.000 You know, my wife would love one because she's an environmental activist and that. 1.00
01:42:46.000 She needs to get one.
01:42:47.000 The problem is that she loves her laptop so much that if that big screen in the Tesla, that big screen, I think she'd be on that more than driving.
01:42:57.000 Nah, she would.
01:42:58.000 It's a big map.
01:42:59.000 It's just a big, beautiful map.
01:43:02.000 Well, I know there's a lot of other stuff there, too.
01:43:04.000 You can cook breakfast on that thing remotely.
01:43:06.000 But it has games you can play on it when you park.
01:43:08.000 No, when you're driving, too.
01:43:09.000 No, you've got to park.
01:43:11.000 It won't let you do it.
01:43:11.000 But the guy, my friend, he has a Tesla there in Toronto, and he said he programmed it in downtown Toronto, and it drove him to Kingston City Hall and parked in front of the City Hall.
01:43:21.000 He didn't even have to look at it.
01:43:22.000 He was working on his laptop. 1.00
01:43:24.000 Well, that guy's an asshole. 1.00
01:43:25.000 You need to look. 1.00
01:43:27.000 Kids jump in front of your car.
01:43:29.000 You need to be ready to hit the brakes.
01:43:30.000 I guess that's where too much reliance on that.
01:43:33.000 What other vehicles do you have?
01:43:36.000 I have a 69 Camaro.
01:43:38.000 I have a 2007 Porsche 911. You like a high performance car.
01:43:46.000 That's what I got with that Ford that I'm driving.
01:43:47.000 It's just beautiful.
01:43:49.000 Yeah, I just love cars.
01:43:53.000 I've always loved them.
01:43:54.000 They're one of my favorite things in life.
01:43:56.000 I like looking at them.
01:43:57.000 I watch videos on cars even if I'm not even interested in buying them.
01:44:00.000 Yeah.
01:44:01.000 I just love them.
01:44:02.000 No, no, it's true.
01:44:03.000 Wonderful.
01:44:03.000 I love the Duesenbergs, man.
01:44:05.000 Yeah, okay.
01:44:06.000 Two great museums.
01:44:07.000 There's the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Museum in Auburn, Indiana.
01:44:11.000 Have you been to Jay's Garage?
01:44:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:44:14.000 One of my cars was on Jay's Garage.
01:44:16.000 Okay, yeah.
01:44:16.000 My 65 Corvette was on Jay's Garage.
01:44:18.000 How great a guy is he?
01:44:19.000 He's great.
01:44:20.000 He's one of the best people in the industry.
01:44:21.000 Well, one of the things I told him, I was like, you are so much happier and more interesting when you're talking about cars than you ever were when you were hosting The Tonight Show.
01:44:31.000 He's a great host of The Tonight Show, but The Tonight Show is basically you are running a commercial for other people's records.
01:44:37.000 Plunkfest.
01:44:38.000 Yeah, for their movies, their television shows that they have coming out, and you're there to sort of be the entertaining guy, and he was wonderful at it.
01:44:45.000 But he's way better.
01:44:46.000 I love the military, the old power wagons, the old Dodge power wagons.
01:44:50.000 What kind of truck do you have?
01:44:51.000 I live on a farm, so I have a different truck.
01:44:53.000 Well, I have that 95 Toyota Land Cruiser that you saw there, and I also have a 71 Icon Bronco.
01:44:59.000 Oh, yeah.
01:45:00.000 That's out there, too.
01:45:00.000 You can whip through the desert on those, yeah.
01:45:02.000 I think one of the greatest cars being made now is the Lincoln Navigator, the new Lincoln Navigator.
01:45:07.000 Oh, yeah, it's amazing.
01:45:08.000 God, I mean, that's...
01:45:08.000 The new one's amazing.
01:45:09.000 I used to have the Ford Excursion.
01:45:11.000 That was the greatest car ever built by man.
01:45:13.000 They have the Aviator now, too, which is a smaller version of the Navigator.
01:45:16.000 Sensational cars.
01:45:17.000 Those Lincoln Navigators, the new ones, they put the Escalade to shame. 0.99
01:45:21.000 They really do.
01:45:23.000 I don't slag other brands.
01:45:24.000 But Escalades are amazing.
01:45:26.000 They're going to come out with a new one.
01:45:27.000 Escalades are amazing.
01:45:28.000 But when you get in a Navigator, you're like, whoa, this is next level.
01:45:32.000 It is next level.
01:45:33.000 Speaking of cars, there was a great old Cadillac.
01:45:37.000 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
01:45:39.000 Did you see that movie?
01:45:40.000 Oh yeah!
01:45:40.000 We were talking about it the other day.
01:45:41.000 Have you had Quentin on?
01:45:42.000 No, I haven't.
01:45:43.000 I met him at the Comedy Store though.
01:45:44.000 This is one of the great filmmakers.
01:45:46.000 Amazing guy.
01:45:47.000 This is going to win Best Picture.
01:45:48.000 I'm a member of the Academy.
01:45:50.000 Are you really?
01:45:51.000 Yes, of course.
01:45:52.000 Is there anything you voted on that you regret?
01:45:56.000 No, not really.
01:45:57.000 I support my people in the industry, but I can tell you right now, and I'm going to get in trouble for this, that's my vote for Beck's picture right now.
01:46:04.000 It's a great movie.
01:46:04.000 It's a lot of fun.
01:46:05.000 What a superior.
01:46:06.000 Yeah, there it is.
01:46:07.000 Look at that beast.
01:46:08.000 Yeah, that old Cadillac.
01:46:09.000 That's an amazing car, man.
01:46:11.000 And how great are those performers?
01:46:12.000 I can't wait for Brad Pitt's new movie, Ad Astra, to come out, the new space movie that he's doing.
01:46:17.000 Yeah, it looks great.
01:46:17.000 How great were those two guys in that film?
01:46:19.000 How great was that cast?
01:46:20.000 Everything was amazing.
01:46:21.000 Just superb filmmaking.
01:46:22.000 And if you know the Manson story, it's all a lot more meaningful.
01:46:25.000 Well, I don't want to give any spoiler alert.
01:46:27.000 No, let's not.
01:46:28.000 But it's one of those movies where you think something's going to happen, and something entirely more magical happens.
01:46:35.000 Yeah, Brad Pitt is just supreme.
01:46:38.000 How good is Leonardo DiCaprio?
01:46:40.000 That guy's incredible.
01:46:40.000 Always, but these are masters.
01:46:43.000 And I love to watch them work.
01:46:45.000 I love...
01:46:47.000 I'm not in the picture so much anymore.
01:46:48.000 We've got the Ghostbusters movie that we're working on now, and I will have to be performing in that.
01:46:53.000 What is the deal with the new Ghostbusters movie?
01:46:55.000 It's really good.
01:46:56.000 There was the one with all girls.
01:46:58.000 Great film.
01:46:59.000 Really good film.
01:47:00.000 Those girls were superb, but I should have been sitting there as a producer watching costs a little more. 1.00
01:47:06.000 You know, Paul Feig and I and Ivan, we had our little conflicts.
01:47:10.000 There were things that we thought that we didn't think would work.
01:47:12.000 Why shoot it?
01:47:13.000 Why spend the money?
01:47:14.000 But, you know, he's a director.
01:47:15.000 We have to have faith.
01:47:17.000 So there was a little conflict there, and I've spoken about it before, but all that's in the past.
01:47:21.000 I think he made a great picture with the girls.
01:47:23.000 I love it.
01:47:24.000 I think they're all great in it.
01:47:25.000 Really, you know, he treated the movie with a tribute, kind of legacy, respect, and there were some great new spirits in there, and the girls were great.
01:47:34.000 Now Ivan Reitman's son, Jason, has written a new movie called, well, it's going to be Ghostbusters, the third movie.
01:47:41.000 Who's in that now?
01:47:43.000 Well, it'll be most of the original people, and then Young Stars.
01:47:47.000 The original from the first movie?
01:47:49.000 Yes, some from the original.
01:47:50.000 Bill Murray's going to be in it?
01:47:52.000 We're hoping.
01:47:53.000 Come on, Bill.
01:47:54.000 Yeah, we're hoping.
01:47:55.000 Come on, Bill.
01:47:56.000 And then the new cast.
01:48:00.000 The new cast as well?
01:48:02.000 They're younger, yeah.
01:48:03.000 Didn't he throw Bill Murray out a window in that?
01:48:05.000 Yeah, he played a psychic.
01:48:07.000 He played a skeptic psychic.
01:48:08.000 He played Michael Shermer.
01:48:10.000 He played Michael Shermer in that movie, yeah.
01:48:12.000 He threw him out a window.
01:48:15.000 Was that because you would want to throw Michael Shaw around?
01:48:17.000 No, no, no.
01:48:17.000 I don't want to throw him at a window.
01:48:18.000 A fake window?
01:48:19.000 No, no, no, no.
01:48:20.000 I have other things I could do with him.
01:48:24.000 I'll put him in my old farmhouse for the night and see.
01:48:27.000 What was that?
01:48:27.000 What was that?
01:48:28.000 Well, buddy.
01:48:29.000 So, yeah.
01:48:30.000 So, it's going to be great.
01:48:31.000 I'm so excited about it.
01:48:33.000 And it's just wonderful to be able to go back and revisit that, all that.
01:48:37.000 Yeah.
01:48:38.000 But as I was saying, I love my colleagues.
01:48:41.000 I don't do the pictures anymore much, and I'm in that one.
01:48:44.000 You've been in some of the greatest movies of all time.
01:48:47.000 Because I had great collaborators.
01:48:48.000 Yes, for sure.
01:48:49.000 I had great collaborators.
01:48:50.000 And you know, I love watching people work, actors on Broadway, and I love watching actors work in film, and I enjoy going to movies.
01:48:57.000 It's...
01:48:58.000 It's just I'm into other things, as you heard today.
01:49:01.000 There was a bunch of comics at the Improv the other night talking about Ghostbusters and talking about Blues Brothers.
01:49:07.000 Blues Brothers, still to this day, is one of the all-time great comedy films.
01:49:11.000 It really is.
01:49:12.000 Yeah, thank you.
01:49:12.000 It's a great movie.
01:49:14.000 It's just one of those movies where it gives you this feeling like you're just so appreciative that you can watch it.
01:49:20.000 Like, wow.
01:49:22.000 Music's the king of that. 0.99
01:49:23.000 It's fucking great, man. 0.99
01:49:25.000 Ray Charles and Aretha and John Lee Hooker. 0.99
01:49:28.000 Yes!
01:49:29.000 Everything's great in that movie.
01:49:30.000 It's just great.
01:49:32.000 No, no.
01:49:33.000 We had good times on that.
01:49:34.000 And it holds up.
01:49:35.000 And you know what?
01:49:35.000 Here, 40-some years after John and I first performed on SNL, Jimmy and I are still doing it.
01:49:42.000 We have a concert in Minnesota coming up.
01:49:43.000 That's amazing.
01:49:44.000 And we still do it.
01:49:45.000 I figure while I can still move, I'll still dance and move.
01:49:49.000 I'm not going to sing from a chair like Solomon Burke.
01:49:54.000 Your real interests, though, they're spread apart.
01:49:58.000 You have a lot of different things going on.
01:50:00.000 You seem to be a guy who's got freedom and independence, which is a beautiful thing to see.
01:50:06.000 Well, I don't have a desk job, which I'm happy of.
01:50:08.000 But you're pursuing your vodka company.
01:50:12.000 I mean, you're not profiting off of this UFO research, but you're obviously balls deep in it.
01:50:18.000 It's just fun because it's entertaining and I think it's enlightening and if people want to come to me and get my view of it, I'm happy to present my view, you know, and I'm happy to hear stories and I'm happy to hear skeptics come forward and tell me why the thing I saw when I was on my motorcycle was not a UFO. Right.
01:50:35.000 Why was it?
01:50:35.000 Okay, it was a hydro helicopter.
01:50:37.000 Okay, well, okay, if it was a hydro helicopter, why am I not hearing rotor whop at 400 feet above me?
01:50:43.000 What's your take on the human memory being very fallible? 0.99
01:50:49.000 There's a lot of funky shit with memories. 0.99
01:50:52.000 No question about it. 0.99
01:50:53.000 No question about it.
01:50:54.000 There's no question?
01:50:55.000 Yeah, I remember I wore a striped t-shirt on that Sunday, and then you look at a picture, oh no, it was solid black.
01:51:00.000 Of course.
01:51:01.000 Do you remember everything?
01:51:05.000 How much do you think you remember about these experiences?
01:51:08.000 I remember every detail of the sightings I've had vividly because they defy reality.
01:51:15.000 But regular, everyday things that are not that profound, your memory goes in and out.
01:51:20.000 No, no.
01:51:20.000 I try, of course, because we'd go crazy if we had to remember everything.
01:51:24.000 The speck we picked off the ground three weeks ago if you had that experience.
01:51:27.000 Or just today.
01:51:28.000 What color shirt was I wearing when you met me?
01:51:31.000 You were wearing kind of a whitish gray, kind of a corded t-shirt, and you had sweat on and sweat on it.
01:51:38.000 Yeah, okay.
01:51:38.000 It's too close.
01:51:39.000 Gray thermal.
01:51:40.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:51:41.000 Okay.
01:51:42.000 Yeah.
01:51:42.000 Just checking.
01:51:43.000 Here's some of the Cadillacs with the fin.
01:51:46.000 Oh, yeah.
01:51:47.000 His name was Harley Earl.
01:51:49.000 Oh, you know the guy who designed it?
01:51:51.000 Yeah, there were two great designers.
01:51:53.000 One was Harley Earl.
01:51:54.000 God, those are good.
01:51:55.000 Yeah, and then Virgil Exner was the guy with Chrysler, and he brought in the fin as well.
01:51:59.000 But when I chose the vehicle for Ghostbusters, I thought, what?
01:52:03.000 I need the biggest station wagon made.
01:52:06.000 And it's got to fit four people in the front, and it's got to have capacity for the...
01:52:10.000 So I picked the 1959 Cadillac Miller Meteor Hearse.
01:52:14.000 Because it just had the capacity we needed.
01:52:17.000 And then the bonus was, it just looked so good.
01:52:21.000 Ooh, look at that.
01:52:22.000 What's the golden year for Cadillac?
01:52:24.000 I would say 5960, when you had the full fin.
01:52:27.000 That 5960 fin was just...
01:52:30.000 That fin is ridiculous. 1.00
01:52:31.000 Try parking that goddamn thing anywhere. 1.00
01:52:32.000 Why a fin? 1.00
01:52:34.000 Because it was rocket time.
01:52:36.000 We all wanted to go to the moon.
01:52:38.000 We all just wanted to go to the stars.
01:52:40.000 Yeah.
01:52:41.000 Yeah.
01:52:41.000 Pull up a 1959, an actual 1959 Cadillac, Jamie.
01:52:47.000 But that's like not one that was ever made.
01:52:49.000 I think that was a concept car.
01:52:51.000 Yeah.
01:52:52.000 Wasn't it a concept car?
01:52:53.000 Yeah.
01:52:55.000 Yeah.
01:52:55.000 No, there they are.
01:52:56.000 Look at that red one. 0.99
01:52:57.000 God damn, that's... 1.00
01:52:59.000 Whoa! 1.00
01:53:01.000 Now you could put three bodies in that trunk.
01:53:04.000 That's so beautiful.
01:53:05.000 And that's a hardtop convertible there with the no pillar post.
01:53:08.000 That is such a beautiful car.
01:53:10.000 That was back when gas was 13 cents.
01:53:12.000 Yeah, and the motors were beautiful in those cars. 1.00
01:53:14.000 Yeah, they smelled like shit. 0.99
01:53:16.000 And if you kept the windows rolled down, you'd get brain damage. 1.00
01:53:19.000 Look at that thing. 0.92
01:53:21.000 Wow!
01:53:22.000 Hey, kudos.
01:53:23.000 Hey, to Detroit.
01:53:24.000 To Detroit.
01:53:25.000 You bet.
01:53:25.000 Salute.
01:53:26.000 Yeah, and today, Detroit's like a booming town.
01:53:29.000 There's all kinds of stuff going on.
01:53:30.000 What do you think of that new Corvette?
01:53:32.000 That mid-engine Corvette?
01:53:33.000 That's pretty amazing.
01:53:34.000 Have you seen that thing?
01:53:35.000 I haven't.
01:53:36.000 You know, for me, I mean, my right leg might fit in that.
01:53:38.000 I don't think I'd get the rest of me in there.
01:53:40.000 No, they're big, man.
01:53:41.000 They have plenty of room inside of them.
01:53:43.000 They've designed them for taller folks.
01:53:44.000 You know, if I could buy any car, I would buy them.
01:53:46.000 You can't buy any car.
01:53:47.000 Stop pretending you're not rich.
01:53:48.000 How dare you?
01:53:49.000 Well, it's not that.
01:53:50.000 It's just like if I could drive the streets and actually be seen in a car that I felt comfortable in.
01:53:55.000 Do you worry about that? 0.69
01:53:56.000 Is that why you drive that crazy...
01:53:58.000 Look at that.
01:54:00.000 That's a new Corvette.
01:54:01.000 Look at this thing.
01:54:01.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.
01:54:02.000 That's a 2019, Jamie.
01:54:04.000 That's actually a front-engine car.
01:54:06.000 You want to go with 2020?
01:54:07.000 The 2020 is a mid-engine car.
01:54:10.000 The 2020 is the very first...
01:54:12.000 There it is.
01:54:13.000 That's the very first...
01:54:14.000 Go to that red one in the top four.
01:54:16.000 What's up with the car?
01:54:17.000 No, that's the old one.
01:54:18.000 I love it. 0.99
01:54:18.000 Jamie doesn't know jack shit about cars. 0.99
01:54:20.000 I like the Bentley Mulsanne. 0.98
01:54:21.000 The big one.
01:54:22.000 The big Bentley Mulsanne Cruiser.
01:54:24.000 Love that car.
01:54:25.000 That one right there, Jamie, that your cursor was just on.
01:54:27.000 Yeah, that's it.
01:54:28.000 I'm trying to find it.
01:54:28.000 Click on that.
01:54:29.000 But click on that.
01:54:30.000 That's a mid-engine Corvette.
01:54:32.000 It's a different car.
01:54:33.000 See, what it is is the engine is behind the passengers in between the passengers and the rear wheel, whereas the other ones, it's in the front trunk.
01:54:41.000 You see the one in the back?
01:54:42.000 That one's in the front trunk.
01:54:43.000 I don't think you're going to get the average software engineer at WeWork, for instance, wanting to buy that car.
01:54:49.000 Why not?
01:54:50.000 Because he's taking the bus, and he's on Uber, and he's in taxis.
01:54:55.000 Why? 1.00
01:54:56.000 Tell them to stop being a pussy. 1.00
01:54:57.000 How are we going to get a goddamn American rocket ship? 1.00
01:55:01.000 GM's new Corvette is so powerful, it's warping the frame in tests. 0.99
01:55:05.000 Woo! 0.99
01:55:07.000 America!
01:55:08.000 Yeah.
01:55:09.000 They don't even have the ZR1 or the Z06 yet.
01:55:12.000 That's the regular Z51 model.
01:55:14.000 Yeah, no, I love speed.
01:55:15.000 You know that speed kills more men?
01:55:18.000 No, no, no.
01:55:21.000 70% of men between 35 and 65 die from mechanical speed.
01:55:27.000 Really?
01:55:28.000 Yep.
01:55:28.000 Motorcycles.
01:55:29.000 70%?
01:55:30.000 70% die from accidents. 1.00
01:55:33.000 Holy shit. 1.00
01:55:35.000 Statistic I read. 1.00
01:55:36.000 Whether that's true or not, we know that we like speed.
01:55:39.000 So watch your boats, watch your jet skis, watch your motorcycles, watch your cars.
01:55:44.000 My dad, at my age, like I'm 67 now, my dad at 65 had two Buick Rivieras.
01:55:51.000 Two 1960s, 62, 63 Buick Rivieras.
01:55:55.000 And he was down to like four points on his license by the time that they, you know.
01:56:01.000 And he loved cars, too.
01:56:02.000 He got me into the cars, you know.
01:56:04.000 Buick is one of those cars that was a victim of the recession.
01:56:08.000 Yeah.
01:56:08.000 Buick, Pontiac.
01:56:10.000 Plymouth, gone.
01:56:12.000 Yeah.
01:56:13.000 Yeah.
01:56:14.000 Well, sure.
01:56:14.000 Well, there's all kinds of names we don't see anymore, like especially from the 30s, you know, the Packard, the Graham Page, the Diana Moon, the Rio.
01:56:21.000 It's just a bummer when, like, the GTO, you know, Pontiac GTO's gone, you know?
01:56:26.000 Yeah.
01:56:26.000 Plymouth is just gone.
01:56:28.000 I mean, they still have Dodge.
01:56:28.000 But people tried to revive it.
01:56:30.000 The new Challenger looks pretty good.
01:56:31.000 It's very nice.
01:56:33.000 The new Camaro is a monster of a car.
01:56:38.000 I've always been a fan of those rumbly engines.
01:56:43.000 They're viscerally exciting.
01:56:46.000 Yeah.
01:56:46.000 No, no.
01:56:47.000 I love them.
01:56:47.000 Absolutely.
01:56:48.000 Yeah.
01:56:48.000 How about motorcycles?
01:56:49.000 I don't fuck with them. 0.99
01:56:50.000 I was about to get one. 1.00
01:56:51.000 I took a bunch of lessons, and I was going for my license, and then two friends wiped out.
01:56:59.000 Ah, well.
01:57:00.000 Yeah, and got pretty significant accidents.
01:57:02.000 And one guy that I know got hit by a car by an old man who ran a red light and T-boned him and sent him flying through the air and snapped his femur.
01:57:10.000 No, that would turn you off.
01:57:12.000 I've been riding since I was 19. You ride in L.A.? I can ride anywhere, but I prefer to ride in the country up north in Canada, you know, where I'm living.
01:57:21.000 Is that where you live these days?
01:57:22.000 Half and half here, half there, half there.
01:57:25.000 L.A.? A little more in the States because of the travel with the band and that, but I'm there with my dad in Canada a lot, and we have the old family farm with the haunted farmhouse.
01:57:35.000 Is it haunted?
01:57:36.000 Well, let me say that there's residual energy from the people who've lived there in the past.
01:57:42.000 So you hear footsteps and voices and creaks and doors closing and that, and many people have had experiences in it.
01:57:47.000 There's a reason why people don't want to live in a house where people were murdered.
01:57:52.000 No one was killed in that farmhouse, but many people passed there.
01:57:56.000 But even that, that weirds people out, but absolutely, if you have a house where people were murdered, and this is why there's laws, you have to divulge.
01:58:03.000 I did.
01:58:04.000 I had to divulge.
01:58:05.000 Did you?
01:58:06.000 It wasn't because of a murder, but when I sold our house in Los Angeles, we lived in Mama Cass's old estate in Woodrow Wilson Drive, and we sold it to Beverly D'Angelo, and she's been on the Celebrity Ghost Show talking about the spirits that were in that house.
01:58:19.000 What happens?
01:58:21.000 You know, jewelry will hop around the table. 0.64
01:58:24.000 Shapes will be seen.
01:58:26.000 You'll feel a touch in the shoulder.
01:58:27.000 That kind of thing.
01:58:28.000 The staff felt it.
01:58:30.000 And I had an experience one night where something got into bed with me.
01:58:35.000 I was alone.
01:58:36.000 I don't know what went on there, but I just figured out.
01:58:39.000 Well, in my...
01:58:40.000 A little bit. 1.00
01:58:41.000 You fucked a ghost. 1.00
01:58:43.000 I think I was being come on to there, but anyway... 1.00
01:58:46.000 This is a YouTube clip right now. 0.99
01:58:48.000 Dan Aykroyd fucked a ghost. 0.99
01:58:50.000 Well, or it did try to come on to me and I didn't refuse its... 1.00
01:58:53.000 So you resisted?
01:58:55.000 You know what?
01:58:55.000 I just nuggled up next to it and went to sleep.
01:58:58.000 You spooned with it.
01:58:59.000 I did.
01:59:00.000 I felt a shape.
01:59:01.000 I looked and saw the depression.
01:59:02.000 A shape?
01:59:02.000 I saw the depression in the mattress and I felt a shape.
01:59:05.000 Something next to me, like felt a form next to me and I... Were you hammered?
01:59:09.000 I nuggled. 0.98
01:59:10.000 No, no, not that night.
01:59:11.000 I was working on a picture and went to bed early.
01:59:13.000 So you're laying alone in bed, and you're working on a film.
01:59:18.000 What film was it?
01:59:19.000 It was something that I've been working down at Universal.
01:59:22.000 I don't know, maybe Dragnet or something like that.
01:59:24.000 Okay.
01:59:24.000 So you're working on Dragnet, you're lying in bed, and then there's like a weight next to you.
01:59:28.000 I feel a weight next to me.
01:59:29.000 I turn and I look.
01:59:30.000 Like a person is laying in bed.
01:59:31.000 I saw the depression.
01:59:33.000 Yes, and there were two spirits that might have been there.
01:59:36.000 Maybe Mama Cass herself, although she died in London.
01:59:39.000 And then there was another guy that apparently, a rumor was he died of a drug overdose at a party, and they buried him in the hillside.
01:59:47.000 And my daughter saw him walking with a little red-haired girl down the hall once, and we think that he might have been there.
01:59:56.000 But anyway, when we sold the house to Beverly, there was a, right in the California real estate document that we had to sign, by law, you have to divulge anything.
02:00:05.000 Unusual activity in the house.
02:00:07.000 So I had to sign a clause in there that said, yes, at the beginning of our tenure in the house, we did have experience.
02:00:13.000 So she bought the house anyway.
02:00:15.000 She's still there.
02:00:16.000 She's very happy.
02:00:16.000 So you had to sign papers that said you had unusual activity.
02:00:20.000 If you sell a house in California, you will look in every real estate contract.
02:00:25.000 There will be a clause that you must report.
02:00:29.000 Unusual activity.
02:00:30.000 Unusual activity.
02:00:30.000 So that is a state recognized.
02:00:34.000 What if you do acid in your house?
02:00:36.000 What's that?
02:00:36.000 What if you do acid in the house?
02:00:39.000 I'm going to tell you about some unusual activity.
02:00:41.000 Well, that's unusual activity that you're doing.
02:00:43.000 That's not external.
02:00:44.000 But the California, you know, just that the state of California requires that in their real estate documents, it's pretty compelling evidence that there's something going on there, too.
02:00:53.000 Or compelling evidence that people are paranoid and they want people to...
02:00:55.000 Well, I think we can accept that ghosts and spirits also have reality, I think.
02:01:00.000 You think so?
02:01:01.000 I believe so.
02:01:02.000 So tell me about this thing.
02:01:03.000 You're laying down in bed, so you're about to go to sleep.
02:01:06.000 I'm about to go to sleep, and I feel this depression.
02:01:11.000 I feel this something.
02:01:12.000 Are you asleep yet?
02:01:13.000 Not asleep.
02:01:14.000 No, no.
02:01:15.000 I just turned out the light, and I look, and I see this depression, and then I go, well...
02:01:22.000 What am I going to do about this?
02:01:24.000 Am I going to leap up screaming?
02:01:25.000 No.
02:01:26.000 I rolled over and I just kind of nuggled up against it and went to sleep.
02:01:30.000 And I slept like a baby.
02:01:32.000 Slept like a baby.
02:01:36.000 There's a scene in the Ghostbusters movie where I'm lying down in an old fort and then this ghost hovers over me and in the director's cut I think the belt comes off and the pants come down.
02:01:46.000 Whoa! 0.99
02:01:48.000 Sex with ghosts. 1.00
02:01:49.000 You didn't get nervous? 0.99
02:01:51.000 You know, I may have been so tired.
02:01:52.000 I may have been so resolved and resigned.
02:01:55.000 I thought, you know what?
02:01:56.000 There's no point in panicking.
02:01:58.000 There it is.
02:01:59.000 Ghostbusters bedroom scene.
02:02:02.000 There we go.
02:02:03.000 Oh, yeah.
02:02:07.000 Jeez. 0.98
02:02:08.000 Look, you handsome devil. 0.98
02:02:19.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:02:20.000 There you have it.
02:02:21.000 So that's you.
02:02:22.000 Do you just accept it?
02:02:23.000 Yes.
02:02:24.000 That's right.
02:02:24.000 I just accept it.
02:02:25.000 That's the way to go, man.
02:02:26.000 I mean, why fight it?
02:02:27.000 It's spiritual.
02:02:29.000 It's true.
02:02:30.000 It's true.
02:02:30.000 So did you smell it?
02:02:33.000 No.
02:02:33.000 No smell.
02:02:34.000 Just the sense of it.
02:02:35.000 You just felt the weight?
02:02:35.000 Felt the weight and saw the depression.
02:02:37.000 And then when I... Did you feel anything on your body?
02:02:39.000 I did.
02:02:40.000 Did you feel presence?
02:02:40.000 I felt a form.
02:02:41.000 Yes, I did.
02:02:42.000 A form.
02:02:42.000 I felt a form next to me when I nuggled up next to it.
02:02:44.000 You didn't push away?
02:02:45.000 No.
02:02:45.000 I did not.
02:02:46.000 Did you push against?
02:02:47.000 I actually kind of wanted to see what it felt like if there was something there and I did feel something there.
02:02:53.000 Did it feel feminine or masculine?
02:02:55.000 It felt masculine.
02:02:56.000 Hard.
02:02:56.000 Oh, you were cuddling with a dude.
02:02:58.000 Like a dead biker maybe. 0.99
02:03:00.000 I don't know.
02:03:00.000 Maybe it was the guy who died in the hillside.
02:03:02.000 I don't know.
02:03:02.000 Could be.
02:03:03.000 You just wanted friendship.
02:03:05.000 You know, male or female.
02:03:07.000 They say in the old days, men used to just sleep together.
02:03:10.000 They'd just actually sleep, sleep.
02:03:12.000 Well, you know, yes, there's Ed Davis and Abraham Lincoln were partners, and they were law partners, and they slept in the same bed many times when they were on the road, yeah. 0.67
02:03:22.000 Well, it was probably cold as fuck back then, and it was hard to keep the room heated. 0.85
02:03:25.000 In that part of the world, yeah. 0.91
02:03:26.000 Yeah, just have a couple blankets and you stay heated together.
02:03:28.000 Yeah.
02:03:30.000 So, when you woke up in the morning, did you feel refreshed or violated?
02:03:34.000 I had slept beautifully.
02:03:35.000 I woke up.
02:03:36.000 Maybe better than ever?
02:03:38.000 Pretty good, yeah.
02:03:39.000 I told some people about the experience.
02:03:41.000 And there were people that worked in the house and that were there and that knew there was something going on.
02:03:47.000 They knew you and a ghost had something happening?
02:03:51.000 After I told them, yeah.
02:03:52.000 So they knew something was going on?
02:03:53.000 Well, because they'd hear the Stairmaster going by itself.
02:03:57.000 The exercise?
02:03:58.000 The ghost exercise?
02:03:59.000 Apparently, yeah.
02:04:00.000 And a hand on the shoulder.
02:04:02.000 Then the sighting my daughter had.
02:04:05.000 Then other little things like jewelry dancing on the table.
02:04:08.000 We knew something was going on in that house.
02:04:10.000 So you're 100% in on ghosts.
02:04:13.000 I am.
02:04:14.000 Now tell me about why you're 100% in on Sasquatch.
02:04:17.000 Because that one is more puzzling to me.
02:04:21.000 Well, just that it's, again, Gabriel Reese's story was quite convincing.
02:04:28.000 Jeff Meldrum's research was quite convincing.
02:04:29.000 I would have talked to her about it.
02:04:32.000 Jeff Meldrum told me he cut his finger off.
02:04:35.000 He said, if you could find out if Sasquatch is real, take a pinky off.
02:04:37.000 I said, if you could cut your finger off to know that Sasquatch is real, would you do it?
02:04:41.000 He goes, which finger? 0.88
02:04:42.000 I'm like your pinky.
02:04:44.000 Well, he's got casts.
02:04:45.000 He's got hair.
02:04:46.000 What are you pointing to, Jamie?
02:04:48.000 Jeff Meldrum.
02:04:49.000 M-E-L-D-R-U-M. It used to be. 1.00
02:04:51.000 It's in my room.
02:04:52.000 He's a paleontological scientist at the University of South Dakota. 0.99
02:04:57.000 But he can also be a silly man. 0.99
02:04:59.000 Sometimes you study things, you memorize them, you pass a test, but you're still silly. 0.99
02:05:03.000 Well, but you talked to him. 0.71
02:05:05.000 Did you think, did you feel he was, you know?
02:05:08.000 I ain't giving up my finger for nobody, man.
02:05:11.000 I'm not giving up a finger to find out if Sasquatch is real.
02:05:14.000 That's crazy.
02:05:15.000 No.
02:05:16.000 Yeah, he's pretty devoted to it.
02:05:18.000 He needs these men.
02:05:18.000 But it's been, you know, Yeti, the Yak and Yeti story, you know, the Yeti story, and just the, around the world, just the sightings that people have had.
02:05:30.000 I've read a book.
02:05:31.000 Well, there was a book called Diary of an Alaska Housewife.
02:05:34.000 It was about a woman.
02:05:35.000 She wrote it.
02:05:36.000 She left in the 70s to move from Kansas to Alaska.
02:05:41.000 And her husband worked in the pipeline.
02:05:43.000 And she tells a story one afternoon when she was at her, you know, her window in the kitchen.
02:05:48.000 And she went outside into the garden.
02:05:52.000 She felt, saw something went outside and she smelt this really strong, strong, musky, musky odor.
02:06:00.000 And she saw this big, huge shape at the corner of her garden kind of disappear into the woods.
02:06:04.000 I don't know.
02:06:05.000 Bear?
02:06:06.000 Grizzly?
02:06:07.000 Who knows?
02:06:08.000 Sure.
02:06:08.000 Could be.
02:06:09.000 Yeah.
02:06:09.000 How about, where are you on Chupacabra?
02:06:12.000 Not at all.
02:06:12.000 I think it's nonsense.
02:06:13.000 I think it's coyotes with mange. 0.66
02:06:16.000 I'm pretty convinced.
02:06:17.000 Yeah, I mean, they've captured coyotes with mange.
02:06:20.000 They look like demons.
02:06:21.000 How about Mothman?
02:06:23.000 That's a neat story.
02:06:23.000 Listen, let's go back to Bigfoot.
02:06:26.000 Let's not get too crazy.
02:06:27.000 You don't believe those kids, eh? 1.00
02:06:27.000 No, I think they're full of shit. 1.00
02:06:29.000 Let's go back to... 1.00
02:06:30.000 The Mothman prophecies, the bridge collapsing.
02:06:32.000 Save it.
02:06:33.000 Save it.
02:06:34.000 I mean, I'm not going to sit here and argue on behalf of Mothman, but it's an intriguing story because...
02:06:40.000 When you have multiple witnesses, as far as the UFO, I will go back to Goodfoot, but the aerial encounter, the school children at the aerial school in Zimbabwe in the 90s.
02:06:52.000 Do you know this story?
02:06:53.000 John Mack was working on it.
02:06:54.000 No.
02:06:55.000 Two beings landed in two different craft, and they encountered these school children all in elementary school.
02:07:01.000 And now they've come back, and they're interviewing them now in their adult time.
02:07:04.000 And it's amazing how their stories synchronize.
02:07:06.000 Why would all of them conspire to make something up?
02:07:08.000 Okay, we're dealing with two different things.
02:07:10.000 And the Mothman, there were four really credible kids there that said they saw it.
02:07:15.000 The UFO thing is less preposterous than anything because we are currently sending spaceships into orbit.
02:07:24.000 We are currently sending probes to Mars.
02:07:27.000 We're involved, deeply involved in the exploration of our solar system, at least with these robots and drones and things that we can control.
02:07:37.000 All that makes...
02:07:40.000 100% sense to me.
02:07:41.000 Bigfoot is interesting to me because there was a creature called Gigantopithecus.
02:07:46.000 It was an enormous primate that was, without a doubt, lived.
02:07:52.000 It's a real thing.
02:07:54.000 It was a bipedal hominid.
02:07:56.000 They think it was between 8 and perhaps even 10 feet tall.
02:07:59.000 It was a huge ape-like creature, and it went extinct.
02:08:03.000 And the reason why they found it is because there was an apothecary shop, I believe it was in the 1920s, an anthropologist I think?
02:08:24.000 This is something that's accepted in the paleontological record.
02:08:29.000 This is like when anthropologists look at the history of primates.
02:08:35.000 They think this is a widely accepted, real animal.
02:08:39.000 So, Bigfoot was real.
02:08:41.000 So, why did it...
02:08:43.000 Why do you say that it couldn't have survived beyond extinction and exist today in some form?
02:08:51.000 It could have, but there's no evidence that's compelling.
02:08:55.000 The film is fake.
02:08:58.000 Pretty much the film is fake.
02:09:00.000 The Patterson footage?
02:09:01.000 Yeah, they say it's fake.
02:09:02.000 Here's the thing, if it looks like a man in a suit, no animal looks like a man in a suit. 0.96
02:09:07.000 There's not a fucking single kangaroo out there that looks like a person in a kangaroo suit. 0.99
02:09:12.000 I just think Gabrielle's story, Meldrum's research, the book that I read of the woman... 0.98
02:09:18.000 What was Gabriella Reese's story?
02:09:20.000 Well, she was in the camping up there in one of those northern states, Washington...
02:09:24.000 And I believe she has video footage of the thing shaking the motorhome that they were in.
02:09:33.000 She was quite excited to tell me the story and quite vivid about it.
02:09:37.000 She said that it was scary.
02:09:40.000 If there was a small population, look, try finding a wolverine.
02:09:45.000 Yeah, or one of these super sloths in the South American jungle now, these big sloths.
02:09:52.000 Yeah, they think they're real. 0.93
02:09:53.000 There's one scientist that has literally risked his reputation, and his whole fucking credibility is in demise because he decided that he was going to spend his life looking for the giant sloth. 0.62
02:10:06.000 And these indigenous people have pointed him in the right direction, and they've recognized that there's dung that seems to be sloth dung that they've found, and they're trying to point him towards where these things are. 0.93
02:10:18.000 And the giant sloth was a real creature.
02:10:21.000 But there's no real evidence that the giant sloth is currently alive.
02:10:25.000 But the thing is, the vast wilderness of the Amazon rainforest is so impenetrable.
02:10:31.000 It would be like trying to walk across the earth and make a good audit of all the creatures that are on it.
02:10:38.000 You're not going to run into them.
02:10:39.000 And, you know, many species are dying on this planet right now for various reasons, but there are many that are being discovered we never even knew about before.
02:10:47.000 And, you know, the northwestern forests are pretty impenetrable, too.
02:10:50.000 Yes, that's what makes it interesting, is that the location of the area where if the thing crossed the Bering Land Bridge and it came into the United States, that's exactly where it would be.
02:11:02.000 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
02:11:03.000 It would be in that Pacific Northwest because that's, you know, as you walk down from Alaska to Canada.
02:11:07.000 We've heard the stories of loggers going in there and seeing them or sensing them or, you know, because they're being driven out of their environment.
02:11:13.000 There's some hostile accident logging companies that they think have been perpetrated by, you know, by the Sasquatch.
02:11:21.000 Nobody wants to believe in Bigfoot more than me.
02:11:23.000 I worked up in the Northwest Territories.
02:11:26.000 I was a flex track assistant mechanic on tundra crawlers and I was a road surveyor.
02:11:30.000 When I was a kid, I worked for the Department of Public Works, and we were up there along the Nahanni River, the Headless River, where explorers would go, and they'd find their heads, and they'd never come back.
02:11:41.000 They'd find their heads?
02:11:42.000 They'd find Bigfoot heads?
02:11:43.000 No, no, just the human heads.
02:11:45.000 The Headless Valley, the Headless River, Nahanni River, and H-A-N-N-I. When I went up there and was with the survey people, there had been guys who had been up there years before me, and they said that Sasquatch was a common thing that was spoken about among the natives and among the survey crews up there.
02:12:01.000 Did you ever see the Bobcat Goldthwait movie, Willow Creek?
02:12:04.000 No.
02:12:05.000 Outstanding movie.
02:12:06.000 Bobcat Goldthwait made a horror movie about Bigfoot.
02:12:09.000 Bobcat Goldthwait, the comedian, made an excellent horror movie.
02:12:13.000 I'm going to catch that.
02:12:13.000 It's really good.
02:12:15.000 It's like fire in the sky.
02:12:17.000 I thought it was a good depiction.
02:12:18.000 You would love it.
02:12:19.000 Oh, I will get it.
02:12:20.000 You would love it.
02:12:20.000 It's about a bunch of people that go up there to try to replicate the Patterson Bigfoot film sort of as a lark.
02:12:25.000 They go up there for fun and they encounter a real Sasquatch.
02:12:27.000 So Willow Creek it's called?
02:12:29.000 Yes.
02:12:29.000 It's really good.
02:12:30.000 I love that.
02:12:31.000 I love that.
02:12:31.000 That's great.
02:12:32.000 Bobcat is a 100% believer.
02:12:35.000 Uh-huh.
02:12:35.000 He believes.
02:12:36.000 He and I have had some ridiculous conversations about it.
02:12:38.000 It'd be nice to go and go into the intense woods up there and maybe camp for a week.
02:12:43.000 Yeah.
02:12:43.000 Look, man, to see something like that, a bipedal hominid that has avoided detection for hundreds if not thousands of years would be amazing.
02:12:51.000 Yeah.
02:12:52.000 The thing about the Native Americans is Native Americans had more than a hundred different names between all the various tribes.
02:12:58.000 A hundred different names for Sasquatch.
02:13:00.000 Really?
02:13:01.000 Yeah.
02:13:01.000 Yeah.
02:13:02.000 Yeah.
02:13:02.000 Oma was one of them.
02:13:03.000 Mm-hmm.
02:13:04.000 You know, you saw that American Werewolf in London thing?
02:13:06.000 The guy who created that...
02:13:09.000 Rob Baker?
02:13:12.000 No, no, that's Rick Baker.
02:13:13.000 Rick Baker, I'm sorry, yeah.
02:13:14.000 Pat McGee, who's the special effects guy, created the one for me, but Rick Baker designed it originally.
02:13:20.000 But he made a...
02:13:21.000 Pat McGee made a movie called Oma...
02:13:23.000 What was it called?
02:13:24.000 Oma Primal Scream?
02:13:26.000 But it's basically a horror movie about Sasquatch.
02:13:29.000 And...
02:13:30.000 You know, it's incredibly compelling to people.
02:13:34.000 There's this enormous primate that's been avoiding detection, living in the forest.
02:13:38.000 Legends among the indigenous people say that they sometimes grab children and take them.
02:13:42.000 I think that's because it used to be a real thing.
02:13:45.000 That's what I think.
02:13:46.000 I think that's because if we all agree and scientists agree that this Gigantopithecus was a real thing, if that is the case, then it's entirely possible that at one point in time, human beings were in direct contact with them on a regular basis and those stories have been passed down through generation after generation.
02:14:05.000 The real question is, are they still here?
02:14:07.000 Because the people that are telling you these stories, like when we talk about people in North America, it's widely accepted that most Native Americans, they share a lot of genetics with people from Siberia.
02:14:21.000 Because Siberia is what's close to the Bering Land Bridge.
02:14:24.000 They come down.
02:14:25.000 These people eventually, many, many, many, many, many thousands of years migrated into America.
02:14:30.000 And they have...
02:14:31.000 So those are people that would have been in contact 100,000 whatever years ago.
02:14:37.000 They know that these teeth that they found from Gigantopithecus indicate that at least 100,000 years ago they were alive.
02:14:47.000 Yeah.
02:14:51.000 Yeah.
02:15:11.000 And this is a completely new discovery that people found, that there was a totally different species of human being that was very small with a chimp-sized brain, but it was human.
02:15:22.000 It used tools and it lived amongst humans.
02:15:25.000 Yeah.
02:15:27.000 This thing, if they know it lived 100,000 years ago, it could have easily lived 50. It might have lived 20. So it lived 20,000 years ago.
02:15:35.000 Maybe it's here with us today.
02:15:36.000 We've just got to go and find.
02:15:38.000 Yeah, but there's no evidence of mammoths either.
02:15:40.000 We know they were real, but there's no...
02:15:42.000 Like if someone said, I saw a mammoth, you'd be like, where?
02:15:45.000 Do you have a picture?
02:15:45.000 No, no, no, but I sensed it.
02:15:47.000 You're like, get the fuck out of here with your sensing mammoths. 0.98
02:15:49.000 I think if you did... 0.97
02:15:50.000 If you put and mounted a horrible avatar-style military...
02:15:58.000 Let's say, incursion into some of the deep woods of Northwest America.
02:16:04.000 You might get traces, but what a horrible thing that would be to do.
02:16:09.000 It would be an excellent thing.
02:16:10.000 We get footage.
02:16:11.000 I know, but then you're destroying course.
02:16:12.000 There's Oma.
02:16:13.000 That's Pat McGee's version of...
02:16:15.000 Oh, it's great.
02:16:16.000 Yeah.
02:16:16.000 Looks like, kind of like Groot.
02:16:18.000 Yeah.
02:16:18.000 Wow, that's just a weird picture.
02:16:20.000 No, that's beautiful.
02:16:21.000 Wow.
02:16:21.000 It's called Primal Rage Root.
02:16:24.000 Neat, neat.
02:16:25.000 Wow.
02:16:26.000 Look at the animatronics.
02:16:28.000 Yeah.
02:16:29.000 You see that face right there, Jamie?
02:16:30.000 Yeah, look at that.
02:16:31.000 When's that coming out?
02:16:32.000 It's been out.
02:16:33.000 It's been out for quite a while.
02:16:34.000 Primal Rage and Willow Creek.
02:16:36.000 He funded it all himself.
02:16:37.000 Willow Creek is really interesting because Willow Creek is like Blair Witch style.
02:16:41.000 It's all like found footage, like the whole thing.
02:16:44.000 Okay, here we are.
02:16:45.000 We're in the woods.
02:16:46.000 You'd like it.
02:16:49.000 Bobcat's a genius.
02:16:50.000 He did a great job with it.
02:16:52.000 It's really good.
02:16:54.000 It's compelling.
02:16:55.000 It's exciting.
02:16:56.000 Even if I don't believe in Bigfoot or don't believe it's currently alive...
02:17:01.000 I know too many people that are in the woods all the time. 0.99
02:17:04.000 I know too many people that are hunters, that are in the woods, and they spend weeks and weeks in the woods, and none of them have seen shit. 0.99
02:17:10.000 They see bears walking on two feet, though. 0.99
02:17:12.000 That's really normal.
02:17:13.000 And when you're in thick, dense forests, bears walking on two feet, and you see them in the dusk, you're like, oh my god, I saw Bigfoot.
02:17:20.000 I'm convinced.
02:17:20.000 And then you really are convinced, so then you go back and tell everybody.
02:17:24.000 I think, you know, basically just each individual has to make their own minds up about all of this stuff.
02:17:31.000 And if you want to believe, it's just like your religion.
02:17:34.000 I believe in mediumship.
02:17:36.000 I believe in the afterlife of our consciousness.
02:17:40.000 And that's kind of my religion.
02:17:41.000 And who's to say, why should I be disputed on that?
02:17:45.000 I'm glad you believe. 1.00
02:17:46.000 I'm glad there's intelligent people that believe in silly shit. 0.99
02:17:50.000 Well, you know, look, many people believe in the Virgin Mary, Kathleen, and that's quite a myth, and many believe in the Angel Moroni and the gold plates and the magic spectacles, and many believe in Xenu, you know, the Scientologist belief. 0.99
02:18:04.000 So I'm not going to go and say, hey, oh, I dispute your belief there were no golden spectacles, or there were no golden, no, there was no Xenu, no, there was no Virgin Mary, no.
02:18:13.000 I respect people's belief.
02:18:16.000 And they realize, that's what you believe, and that's what helps you.
02:18:18.000 Good for you.
02:18:18.000 You know, and I would never dispute that.
02:18:21.000 And likewise, I want to be just respected for my belief in spiritualism and mediumship.
02:18:27.000 I think there's a religion and skepticism as well.
02:18:30.000 I think there's a tendency...
02:18:32.000 And I respect that.
02:18:33.000 Go for it.
02:18:33.000 Yeah.
02:18:34.000 But you know I'm saying that there's a tendency to just try to dismiss everything as being, like, believe the official story of every single thing.
02:18:43.000 You know why that's good?
02:18:44.000 Because that empirical view, we'll be able to sort out the fake stuff, the hoax stuff from the real stuff.
02:18:49.000 If people of real scientific minds and real inquirists there go into it, that's what's going to sort out what's real and what isn't.
02:19:01.000 Dan Aykroyd, you're a beautiful human being.
02:19:03.000 Thank you for being here, man.
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02:19:06.000 It was a real pleasure.
02:19:07.000 I'm a huge fan forever.
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