The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1356 - Sturgill Simpson & His Band

00:00:00.000 We willed it into existence to Sturgill, motherfucking Simpson, and his band. 0.98

00:00:05.000 Just let's introduce everybody. 0.98

00:00:07.000 Okay.

00:00:08.000 Want to do that?

00:00:08.000 Yeah, you can do it.

00:00:09.000 Alright, next to you is my drummer, Miles.

00:00:14.000 We have Chuck.

00:00:15.000 He plays the bass.

00:00:17.000 Down on the end is Bob.

00:00:18.000 He plays the keys.

00:00:20.000 And this is our head of security.

00:00:23.000 This is Justin.

00:00:25.000 He's a...

00:00:26.000 You know, we weren't sure about this place, so we brought...

00:00:28.000 It's a sketchy joint. 0.91

00:00:31.000 You guys were fucking fantastic last night. 0.98

00:00:33.000 We had a great time. 0.97

00:00:34.000 Thanks, man.

00:00:35.000 The Troubadour is such a great place to see you, too, because it's so intimate, man.

00:00:39.000 It's a really interesting place.

00:00:42.000 It's so tight. 0.98

00:00:44.000 It's so old school, and a fucking million shows have happened in that joint. 0.99

00:00:47.000 Everybody. 0.99

00:00:48.000 Everybody.

00:00:50.000 Yeah, it was interesting for us.

00:00:52.000 We didn't feel like it was a good show.

00:00:53.000 I think we kind of woke up about halfway through, but also the first time we've been this close to people in a while.

00:01:01.000 It was a great show, man. 0.96

00:01:02.000 I enjoyed the fuck out of it. 0.97

00:01:03.000 And Suzanne from Honey Honey, Suzanne Santos, she came with me too. 0.95

00:01:07.000 She loved it.

00:01:08.000 It was great, man.

00:01:09.000 We had a good time.

00:01:10.000 It wasn't a bad show either.

00:01:12.000 No!

00:01:13.000 Come on! 0.61

00:01:13.000 It was amazing. 0.61

00:01:14.000 We had a great fucking time. 0.99

00:01:16.000 And it's such a treat to see someone in such a small venue. 0.99

00:01:21.000 That venue is so...

00:01:22.000 Everybody was jammed up on top of everybody.

00:01:25.000 So when people went nuts for the songs, you felt it.

00:01:28.000 You really realize when you're in a venue like that how much that contributes to the experience.

00:01:34.000 You know, intimate venues.

00:01:37.000 A venue can ruin a good show.

00:01:39.000 Sure, yeah.

00:01:41.000 I don't really like the amphitheater, like the outdoor amphitheater.

00:01:44.000 Yes!

00:01:45.000 The tin roof sheds.

00:01:46.000 I feel the same.

00:01:48.000 There's no connection, because everybody that is close to you is sitting down, and then there's this giant picnic going on behind them up on the grass.

00:01:55.000 It's always just a weird separation.

00:01:57.000 What happened, Jamie?

00:01:59.000 What are we doing?

00:02:01.000 Oh.

00:02:04.000 I thought you were trying something new out.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, the amphitheaters are weird.

00:02:09.000 I mean, they could be great.

00:02:10.000 Oh, there's the picture from the Troubadour last night.

00:02:13.000 That was fun, man.

00:02:15.000 That place, I mean, how many people is that seat?

00:02:17.000 Probably 400, I think.

00:02:18.000 500. They're stuffed in there.

00:02:20.000 That is a fire hazard.

00:02:22.000 For sure.

00:02:24.000 Bobby's organ's a fire hazard.

00:02:29.000 It was a good time, though.

00:02:30.000 It really was.

00:02:32.000 I saw Everlast perform there recently.

00:02:34.000 He was there just a few weeks ago.

00:02:36.000 I met that dude once.

00:02:37.000 He's awesome.

00:02:38.000 He is a chill guy, man.

00:02:39.000 He really is.

00:02:40.000 He's the best.

00:02:42.000 It was at this guy, Dom.

00:02:43.000 It's like a skate shop.

00:02:46.000 My buddy Ian took me to this skate shop.

00:02:48.000 He had a bunch of sneakers there.

00:02:49.000 I was looking for some sneakers.

00:02:50.000 And it was just this little sleepy skate shop.

00:02:52.000 And then he's like, yeah, let's go out back.

00:02:54.000 And we walked out back and there's like 12 X Games champions back there just slaying this half pipe. 1.00

00:03:00.000 I've never really seen that shit up close like that. 0.98

00:03:03.000 Just like, you know, thrashing. 0.99

00:03:05.000 And it was intense. 0.98

00:03:06.000 And then we're sitting there hanging out and then fucking Everlast shows up. 0.98

00:03:10.000 And I was just like, this dude from House of Pain is crazy. 0.96

00:03:13.000 But he was so cool.

00:03:14.000 He's super cool, but I remember one of the first times I ever met him, it's one of those weird ones where you're like, am I really hanging out with this guy?

00:03:20.000 Is this really Everlast from House of Pain? 0.91

00:03:23.000 You know, Jump Around was such a goddamn gigantic hit. 0.81

00:03:28.000 It was like one of the greatest hits of all time. 0.97

00:03:30.000 One of the greatest, I mean, I guess you would call that a hip-hop song, right?

00:03:34.000 But it was a giant hit with my generation, so to be hanging out with him was super surreal.

00:03:40.000 I'm sure he's had a very interesting journey. 0.99

00:03:43.000 Fuck yeah, he has. 0.99

00:03:45.000 He was the first guy I ever smoked a joint with inside a casino, too. 1.00

00:03:49.000 He just fired it up.

00:03:51.000 I go, where do you want to smoke that?

00:03:51.000 He goes, where?

00:03:53.000 He just starts smoking it.

00:03:54.000 I was like, alright.

00:03:56.000 I guess we're gonna do that.

00:03:58.000 That was a pretty, that album, I think I was in like 7th grade, 6th grade?

00:04:03.000 It was very nefarious.

00:04:04.000 I remember that.

00:04:05.000 Yeah.

00:04:06.000 Nefarious is a good word for it. 1.00

00:04:08.000 You know, I rip shit, kill it, cut your gut and spill it, treat you like a gas tank, take that ass and fill it. 1.00

00:04:16.000 Yes, that's nefarious. 1.00

00:04:18.000 Go for a ride to where I reside, put your face on my pillow and have you weeping like a willow. 1.00

00:04:22.000 It's what it is, y'all.

00:04:24.000 It's prolific.

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 That's prolific.

00:04:27.000 That's intimidating.

00:04:29.000 Right?

00:04:29.000 For sure.

00:04:31.000 That doesn't freak you out a little.

00:04:35.000 Especially if someone says it with his voice.

00:04:38.000 You know, all smooth and chill.

00:04:40.000 And a Larry Bird jersey.

00:04:41.000 You've tried a lot of different forms of music.

00:04:43.000 Do you ever think you would ever do hip-hop?

00:04:46.000 Oh God, no.

00:04:47.000 That would be a weird stretch.

00:04:49.000 Well, there's just so many other people that should do it other than me.

00:04:54.000 I would love to, but no.

00:04:56.000 I would love to produce a hip-hop record with Bob. 0.97

00:04:59.000 I think we could probably make some fat fucking tracks and just get some rappers to do the actual art. 0.98

00:05:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:08.000 I know what you're saying.

00:05:10.000 I know how you're feeling, but I think you could pull it off.

00:05:14.000 Like rapping?

00:05:15.000 Yeah, I think you could.

00:05:15.000 Sturge Ill?

00:05:16.000 Yes, you could.

00:05:17.000 He kind of already does.

00:05:19.000 Alright, you gonna give me up, man?

00:05:21.000 Yeah, he kind of raps a little bit. 0.99

00:05:22.000 No bullshit. 0.99

00:05:23.000 I spit on the bus a little bit, truth be told. 0.99

00:05:27.000 You'd have to be lit, but you could do it. 1.00

00:05:31.000 You know who can fucking rap for a white guy? 0.99

00:05:33.000 Shia LaBeouf, man. 0.99

00:05:34.000 Can he?

00:05:35.000 Yeah, he did some radio show years back out here in L.A., and it was actually impressive.

00:05:41.000 Wow.

00:05:42.000 Yeah, his freestyle was...

00:05:44.000 It was fire.

00:05:45.000 For a dude who's a white guy, it's a risky choice.

00:05:48.000 Right.

00:05:49.000 It's a risky choice.

00:05:50.000 He brought it.

00:05:50.000 And you've got to figure, you've got to decide whether or not you're going to go with the urban access.

00:05:54.000 I want to produce a Shia LaBeouf album.

00:05:56.000 A rap album.

00:05:57.000 Wow.

00:05:58.000 There you go.

00:05:59.000 Open up the doors.

00:06:01.000 Manifest it.

00:06:01.000 Make it happen.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, white guy rappers have to be real careful with their accent.

00:06:06.000 You've got to figure out how you're going to do that.

00:06:08.000 Yeah, that's always weird.

00:06:09.000 How you're going to pull that off?

00:06:10.000 I went to high school with a lot of those white guys that tried to talk like they were black.

00:06:16.000 I never could understand what was going on.

00:06:18.000 It's a weird one.

00:06:19.000 It's a weird one.

00:06:22.000 Miles and I went to the same high school.

00:06:24.000 He graduated like 15 years after me, so he knows about the Wofo.

00:06:27.000 Woodford County.

00:06:29.000 What I'm talking about.

00:06:30.000 I'm sure it was still very much a thing.

00:06:32.000 Oh, it still is.

00:06:33.000 We were just talking about how few white guys become successful rappers.

00:06:39.000 Of all the things that people attempt to do, that might be one of like, there's only like a few.

00:06:45.000 There's like, you know, Eric from Everlast from House of Pain.

00:06:48.000 There's Eminem.

00:06:50.000 There's Mac Miller.

00:06:53.000 Mac Miller.

00:06:54.000 Yeah, Third Base.

00:06:55.000 Third Base, for sure.

00:06:56.000 Those guys.

00:06:57.000 Those guys were great.

00:06:59.000 Eminem, of course.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, Eminem, of course.

00:07:01.000 He might be number one.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, he's number one, I think.

00:07:03.000 He's just an all-time great rapper, period.

00:07:07.000 White guy or not. 0.58

00:07:09.000 But, like, white guys that want to rap?

00:07:10.000 Boy. 0.99

00:07:11.000 The white guys that want to rap versus white guys who are successful rapping, that fucking number's stupendous. 0.99

00:07:16.000 Those are not good odds. 0.99

00:07:18.000 That's intimidating, right?

00:07:19.000 There's no denying that some white guys have pulled it off. 0.73

00:07:22.000 You remember Snow?

00:07:22.000 Yes!

00:07:23.000 Yeah.

00:07:24.000 Informa.

00:07:25.000 Like, he had, like, a whole...

00:07:26.000 He did the patois thing.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:28.000 Talking to Mike, brother.

00:07:30.000 Sorry.

00:07:30.000 I just said he did the patois thing.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:33.000 He went Jamaican on us, right? 0.99

00:07:34.000 Yeah.

00:07:35.000 But it was really good.

00:07:36.000 Which is even weirder.

00:07:38.000 Unless he's from Jamaica. 0.90

00:07:41.000 Toronto.

00:07:42.000 Oh, was he?

00:07:43.000 I mean, it's not better, but there's a lot of...

00:07:45.000 That just keeps getting better.

00:07:47.000 That's Canada.

00:07:47.000 They're nice as hell up there.

00:07:51.000 Go to the mic.

00:07:52.000 Snow is from Toronto.

00:07:53.000 I would never have guessed that.

00:07:55.000 Yeah, let's look that up.

00:07:56.000 Good call.

00:07:57.000 I loved that one song, though.

00:07:59.000 That Informer song was badass.

00:08:01.000 That's insane if he's from Toronto.

00:08:03.000 I have no idea what we're talking about.

00:08:05.000 It doesn't say what city, but he's from Toronto.

00:08:07.000 He's from Toronto.

00:08:08.000 Born in Toronto.

00:08:09.000 Wow.

00:08:11.000 There you go.

00:08:12.000 Yeah.

00:08:12.000 He went Jamaican.

00:08:13.000 And no one else even ventured to step in his footsteps.

00:08:16.000 It was like a successful hit song, but it didn't open up a whole door of Jamaican.

00:08:21.000 It didn't even open up a door for him, man. 0.99

00:08:23.000 That's the only fucking song anybody ever heard. 0.99

00:08:26.000 But how could it be that good? 0.99

00:08:27.000 That always freaks me out about your business, is that there are a few cats that come up with one song that just fucking smashes it. 0.96

00:08:35.000 Well, that happens because... 0.88

00:08:37.000 Whoever is in charge of their career has one veteran's interest, which is pushing that single, and then it does its thing.

00:08:44.000 And if they can't come up with the identical thing again, they don't know what to do, and then they just stick them on a shelf and you never hear from them again.

00:08:49.000 I know, but it's so final. 0.66

00:08:53.000 Like, if you're a comic and you have a shitty special, you can get your shit together and come up with a good next special. 0.98

00:08:59.000 There's nothing like a huge hit to destroy your music career. 0.99

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:04.000 How many, I mean, really, really good songs, if you stop and think about history, were from a band where you heard, like, maybe two of their songs ever?

00:09:13.000 I would say 90% of them.

00:09:14.000 So many.

00:09:16.000 So many.

00:09:16.000 In the pop, in that world, you know, if you're, like, radio songs and syndication, yeah, this is usually...

00:09:24.000 How much is that changing for you guys because of the internet?

00:09:27.000 I mean, when you first started your career, how much of an effect did the internet have on promoting things or getting the word out on things versus now?

00:09:38.000 Huge.

00:09:39.000 Because we're not on radio even now.

00:09:41.000 When did you...

00:09:42.000 We had AAA play now and things like that, but you're not going to...

00:09:47.000 I guess early on touring, blogs and reviews, press and things like that get circulated, word of mouth from shows.

00:09:56.000 People come to shows, they get their mind blown, they talk about it on Twitter.

00:09:59.000 And then it's just this organic grassroots kind of thing. 0.99

00:10:02.000 And you sort of realize at a point you don't really need any of that other antiquated shit. 0.96

00:10:08.000 But to make it happen like we did, you have to go out and do the laps. 0.97

00:10:12.000 You have to put the time in and earn your medals.

00:10:15.000 You can't just sit on YouTube talking about yourself all the time.

00:10:19.000 That's a big part, right?

00:10:20.000 Your shows.

00:10:21.000 How many live shows you guys are doing?

00:10:23.000 Well, now it's already out there, so people just do it for you, really.

00:10:26.000 It spreads easier and faster now, but Miles has been with...

00:10:29.000 We've been playing together since he was 19, man.

00:10:31.000 In a van, four people sleeping on one floor.

00:10:34.000 Wow.

00:10:34.000 This was about two weeks ago.

00:10:36.000 You drive seven hours and you hope 13 people show up. 0.88

00:10:41.000 To maybe buy a t-shirt and shit so you got gas to get to the next town. 0.92

00:10:45.000 There's a lot of life questioning nights out there in the early days. 0.97

00:10:49.000 Do you know who Roy Wood is?

00:10:51.000 Roy Wood Jr. Really hilarious stand-up comedian.

00:10:54.000 He had a really similar story when he was talking about his beginnings as a comedian.

00:10:59.000 That he would get these gigs, and he wouldn't have enough money to get home.

00:11:02.000 And that he would get gigs, and while he was there, he would take a job.

00:11:07.000 Like a day job.

00:11:08.000 Like a day laborer. 1.00

00:11:09.000 He would wear fucking hard hats and gloves and shit, work all day, and then do the stand-up at night. 1.00

00:11:14.000 It's like... 1.00

00:11:15.000 Those guys who go through that kind of stuff, there's no substitute for that.

00:11:19.000 No.

00:11:20.000 There's no other way.

00:11:24.000 There's something about the seasoning of the unsuccessful or barely successful early years, it seems, for all my favorite artists.

00:11:32.000 It's so critical.

00:11:33.000 They all have it, whether they're comics or whether they're musicians. 0.97

00:11:37.000 There's that fucking grind in the beginning where it could go left or right. 0.98

00:11:41.000 You could make it or it could completely fall apart. 1.00

00:11:44.000 You have to be almost delusional and a little crazy. 0.83

00:11:47.000 Yes. 1.00

00:11:49.000 I had a great job that I quit to go do this shit finally, like give it a go. 0.99

00:11:54.000 I was probably 35 years old. 0.99

00:11:55.000 There was a lot of nights where I was like, what in the fuck am I doing? 0.97

00:12:00.000 You know what I mean? 0.94

00:12:02.000 But that's why last night is so fun.

00:12:05.000 Because nobody else...

00:12:06.000 Well, I wrote a song about turtles and drugs one year and nobody else did.

00:12:10.000 So I just...

00:12:11.000 Yeah, whenever a country music song comes out with DMT in it, you got my attention.

00:12:19.000 Psilocybin, LSD. That was a great song, though.

00:12:22.000 It was a great song to introduce the world to a different idea.

00:12:25.000 It's just music, man.

00:12:27.000 Whether it's country or psychedelic or psychedelic country, if it's great, it's just great. 0.99

00:12:31.000 And you switch shit up. 0.98

00:12:33.000 This new album is so weird, man. 0.99

00:12:36.000 It's great.

00:12:37.000 It's great, but it's so interesting. 0.98

00:12:38.000 If you go back to your first album and then listen to this album, you'll be like, that's not the same fucking guy. 0.96

00:12:43.000 But it is. 0.99

00:12:43.000 It is the same guy. 0.99

00:12:45.000 They're all different expressions or interests.

00:12:48.000 but that's really exciting you know when when someone mixes their style up as much as you do and you guys put together these albums you know each one of them is they're uniquely you but they're all different it's a it's a you've got a real weird thing going on man like if you went back and listened to your first album and then listened to the they're all awesome but they're awesome in like all these different ways man It's so cool to see all this experimentation,

00:13:16.000 like this anime thing you're doing with this.

00:13:18.000 It's really badass.

00:13:20.000 That was really just sort of...

00:13:26.000 We're good to go.

00:13:49.000 Reached a point of burnout.

00:13:50.000 I definitely did.

00:13:51.000 And then you also reach a point where now you realize the only way we're going to survive and make money as musicians is touring.

00:13:59.000 So why wouldn't we make this as fun for ourselves as possible?

00:14:02.000 You play these festivals and then you're rocking out three or four songs and then people are jumping at them.

00:14:07.000 And I just kind of asked everybody, why can't we just go do that for two hours and make music that people can dance and have a great time to and still... 0.85

00:14:16.000 Miles has probably been listening to me talk about Making a fucking dubstep rock and roll record for five years and we finally just did it. 0.70

00:14:32.000 But it's great that you take those steps. 0.93

00:14:36.000 These guys help a lot, too.

00:14:38.000 We were touring in 2018, and the music was just sort of going there anyway on stage.

00:14:44.000 How's it going there anyway on stage?

00:14:46.000 We were just stretching out more abandoning core fundamental structures of the songs.

00:14:51.000 I don't want to be a karaoke machine anymore. 0.98

00:14:53.000 I just got so bored and burnt out with staying up there and playing this shit the same way every night. 0.99

00:14:58.000 And you do isolate some fans, but at the same time, if we're not inspired, how the fuck is anybody else going to be? 0.99

00:15:02.000 Right.

00:15:03.000 So eventually you will find your audience that wants to go with you.

00:15:07.000 And when these songs are turning into 10 and 15 minutes, just me being high and having a good time, you know?

00:15:17.000 I caught that, the Brace for Impact on Colbert.

00:15:20.000 Somebody shared it.

00:15:21.000 I hadn't seen it basically since we did it in 2016, and it's almost a completely different song.

00:15:28.000 You could literally see the changes from 2016 to now.

00:15:33.000 It's amazing.

00:15:34.000 Yeah, so we made this record June of 2017 and had to sit on it, couldn't play any of it.

00:15:40.000 You know, you go out and you do the other thing.

00:15:42.000 So now, almost two and a half years later from the time we recorded in the studio and I was writing those lyrics, we were making this music in the moment. 0.97

00:15:52.000 We'll go out, we've been rehearsing for two weeks and it's already at a point like, shit, I wish we could have recorded it now.

00:15:58.000 Because you have all these ideas that you just don't have in that moment. 0.89

00:16:01.000 And you get...

00:16:01.000 A year and a half later on a tour playing that material, it's a whole other animal, you know, because you just found all these little idiosyncratic nuances and things that you can flourish that you just don't think about when you're in a control room for 18 hours a day.

00:16:18.000 Is that a common tactic, where you're always changing your songs?

00:16:22.000 You're always fucking with them and continuing to? 0.97

00:16:25.000 I hope so. 1.00

00:16:26.000 Yeah.

00:16:27.000 But is it common with other artists?

00:16:29.000 It should be. 0.99

00:16:29.000 It should be if they're, you know, worth a shit. 0.99

00:16:35.000 But is that a normal thing, like when you guys get together and talk about how you make songs? 0.97

00:16:39.000 Like, comedians talk about how they make jokes.

00:16:41.000 We don't really talk about it.

00:16:42.000 You guys don't ever get together?

00:16:43.000 I'll write lyrics and stuff, or maybe have a rough idea, structure, and form.

00:16:47.000 But these guys are all bonafide musical geniuses, man.

00:16:51.000 Their flavor...

00:16:52.000 That's why, you know, on this record, I've never done it before, but at a certain point, anybody that's in the room...

00:17:04.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 And there might be ten guys you could call today to do this thing, but two of them might be way more perfect for this specific thing than those other eight.

00:17:31.000 They're all badasses, but you can flavor. 0.85

00:17:34.000 I just found the right flavors that I want to stand up there with.

00:17:39.000 I could make ten records with these guys, and they're all going to sound like ten different bands.

00:17:43.000 Now, is this because you guys don't have, I mean, how much of influence do record companies have on new bands?

00:17:50.000 Like when new bands are coming up and they're trying to put together their music, how much influence do record companies have on the creative process?

00:17:58.000 It just depends.

00:17:59.000 Did they discover them or are they jumping on board with something that's already working? 0.98

00:18:04.000 Well, I mean, someone as an artist, like someone looking at you as an artist, you go, yeah, you let him do whatever the fuck he wants.

00:18:12.000 No, that's a very rare thing.

00:18:14.000 It's rare.

00:18:15.000 You're dealing with record companies.

00:18:18.000 I got it contractually written into my contract that nobody could tell me what to do. 0.99

00:18:25.000 So it's common that you get fucked with. 0.97

00:18:27.000 Everybody's going to have their two cents, their input. 0.96

00:18:30.000 Here's what we really want you to want to do. 0.99

00:18:32.000 Right, because probably I would think there would be executives who go, stop, stop fucking with it right there. 0.99

00:18:37.000 Just leave it right there. 0.99

00:18:38.000 Trust me.

00:18:39.000 Put it out like that.

00:18:40.000 Those would be like actual record men. 1.00

00:18:42.000 The guys that used to run the record business, they knew what the real shit was, and you don't fuck with the real shit. 0.99

00:18:48.000 But there's very few of those people actually working in the record business anymore. 1.00

00:18:51.000 It's all like 25, 30-year-old bottom-line quarterly report motherfuckers. 0.99

00:18:57.000 It's all about the money. 0.99

00:18:59.000 But wouldn't you think that excellence would bring money?

00:19:03.000 Especially today, in this day and age, with the internet?

00:19:07.000 They can sell excellence, but then they have to work and find it.

00:19:11.000 As opposed to formulating this tried and true Mrs. Butterworth recipe.

00:19:16.000 Proven.

00:19:18.000 Just give me 17 of those.

00:19:21.000 I get it.

00:19:23.000 It would suck to be in a business with art.

00:19:27.000 You know?

00:19:28.000 Or like thinking about it like a business.

00:19:30.000 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 But it's art.

00:19:33.000 It's a product.

00:19:34.000 But your music is art.

00:19:36.000 You get enough people involved, anything turns into a product.

00:19:38.000 Right.

00:19:39.000 But it's just the business aspect of it.

00:19:41.000 Like someone trying to think about what's the best way to sell it?

00:19:43.000 What's the best way to push it?

00:19:46.000 What if we change this and added that?

00:19:48.000 What if we put some gospel singers in the background? 0.81

00:19:50.000 What if we did this?

00:19:51.000 You know?

00:19:52.000 Mm-hmm.

00:19:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:55.000 But you've avoided it.

00:19:56.000 What if we get this person to rap a verse on it?

00:19:58.000 How'd you avoid it? 0.99

00:20:00.000 What did you do to avoid most of that bullshit? 0.99

00:20:08.000 Still figuring it out. 0.99

00:20:10.000 I don't know, man.

00:20:11.000 Just didn't do it.

00:20:12.000 I say no a lot.

00:20:14.000 I think that's the thing to say.

00:20:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:16.000 I'm lazy as shit, too. 0.99

00:20:19.000 I got to really want to do something. 0.99

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 Especially when you don't have to, right?

00:20:24.000 Right.

00:20:25.000 Man.

00:20:26.000 What were you doing at 35 when you quit?

00:20:29.000 You working on a railroad, Sean?

00:20:31.000 I was an operations manager at a rail yard, an intermodal yard out in Utah.

00:20:35.000 Wow.

00:20:36.000 I'd run in a rail yard just overseeing the switching crews that when the trains would pull in from the east and west side of the yard, we would break those trains apart and look at other manifests and drive cars off other rails and build them into those trains and then crew them again and get them on the line. 0.99

00:20:52.000 Damn. 0.95

00:20:53.000 So I was working like 90 hour weeks. 0.99

00:20:56.000 Mostly cleaning up train wrecks and derailments or like they blew a switch and put three cars on the ground.

00:21:01.000 We were the central artery in the Midwest.

00:21:05.000 Really, that corridor is kind of the cross section of the entire country's shipping commerce. 0.86

00:21:11.000 So if we fucked up and tied up the main lines, then we kind of shut down the railroad. 0.58

00:21:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:21:16.000 Do you know what's fucked up? 0.97

00:21:17.000 You could never tell a kid, hey, you want to make meaningful music? 0.98

00:21:20.000 This is what you got to do.

00:21:21.000 You got to struggle in difficult jobs until you're about 35 and barely get to where you want to be, where you're really kind of freaking out about your future, and then pour yourself your heart and soul and then find success after that.

00:21:36.000 That's a good move.

00:21:37.000 If you want to have impactful music.

00:21:39.000 But if you get into music early on in your life and make a career early on in your life, you miss everything that you did by being an older...

00:21:48.000 You're a 35-year-old man that makes a jump.

00:21:52.000 That's a bold move. 0.95

00:21:53.000 That makes sense, but there's been a lot of incredible artists that made some truly visionary shit at 20. For sure. 0.96

00:22:01.000 But there's a life experience aspect to your music.

00:22:05.000 Well, yeah. 0.98

00:22:06.000 I wouldn't have any of this shit to write about if I'd done it at 20. God knows what I'd be writing about. 0.99

00:22:14.000 Probably pussy. 1.00

00:22:17.000 Yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:22:19.000 For sure.

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 And you're young?

00:22:21.000 What are you thinking about? 1.00

00:22:24.000 If you're talking about stars and horoscopes and shit, you're probably bullshitting people. 0.99

00:22:30.000 This podcast got weird real quick, huh? 0.98

00:22:33.000 He does that now.

00:22:34.000 Sturgill talks about stars and horoscopes now.

00:22:37.000 What do you think about horoscopes? 1.00

00:22:39.000 Do you think that shit's real? 1.00

00:22:40.000 Like astrology? 1.00

00:22:43.000 What do you think about horoscopes?

00:22:45.000 I'm actually interested in what he thinks about horoscopes.

00:22:48.000 Yeah, what do you think about it, man? 0.98

00:22:49.000 I mean, somebody's just making shit up for other people to read. 0.98

00:22:52.000 You can move that mic so you don't have to break your neck. 0.99

00:22:55.000 Yeah, you're just making stuff up. 0.99

00:22:57.000 If you're reading a horoscope or someone's trying to give you some sort of indication of what's going to happen serendipitously or by fate, either way, it's just someone making the shit up. 1.00

00:23:08.000 It's just horseshit. 0.99

00:23:10.000 People looking for patterns, I think. 0.95

00:23:12.000 I'd have to learn about like the astrology aspect if they're trying to, if they're using that or something effectively.

00:23:18.000 Numerology is the only thing in that world that even remotely interests me.

00:23:23.000 How's that interesting? 0.98

00:23:24.000 It's based on like mathematics and universal equations and shit. 0.85

00:23:29.000 I don't know. 0.94

00:23:30.000 Basically like don't.

00:23:31.000 Some people can get a little loopy with it, and they won't fly on an airplane.

00:23:37.000 They'll have their numerologist look at the flight numbers or the number on the plane and how these things all correlate, whether this is a wise decision or not.

00:23:45.000 That, to me, is just like, what?

00:23:47.000 You know, Nancy Reagan was all deep into that. 0.99

00:23:49.000 Really?

00:23:50.000 She was deep into astrology, actually. 1.00

00:23:52.000 And she had some famous astrologer who would do the readings for them, and she would dictate whether or not Ronald Reagan should go and do shit. 0.99

00:24:02.000 Based on numerology. 0.99

00:24:03.000 Based on astrology.

00:24:05.000 It's not the same, right?

00:24:06.000 Numerology is just numbers, but astrology is...

00:24:09.000 But didn't she?

00:24:11.000 Is that the case?

00:24:13.000 I'm pretty sure she was, like, balls deep into it.

00:24:16.000 Like, really into astrology.

00:24:19.000 After the assassination...

00:24:20.000 Should we look that up?

00:24:21.000 What's that?

00:24:21.000 We should look that up.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, we're looking that up.

00:24:24.000 Jamie's always on it.

00:24:25.000 You got it?

00:24:26.000 What do you got?

00:24:27.000 Here it goes.

00:24:28.000 Quigley was born in Kansas City, Missouri.

00:24:31.000 She was called on by First Lady Nancy Reagan in 1981 after John Hinckley's attempted assassination of the President and stayed on as the White House astrologer in secret until being ousted in 1988 by ousted former Chief of Staff Donald Reagan.

00:24:46.000 She said, I was responsible for timing all press conferences, most speeches, the State of the Union addresses, the takeoffs, and the landings of Air Force One. 0.98

00:24:56.000 What the fuck is what she claimed, though? 0.88

00:24:58.000 She claimed a bigger role in her 1990 book. 0.98

00:25:02.000 What does Joan say?

00:25:04.000 Well...

00:25:06.000 Yeah, interesting.

00:25:07.000 That's crazy.

00:25:08.000 Interesting.

00:25:09.000 Yeah, people love to believe in patterns.

00:25:11.000 But then there are patterns.

00:25:13.000 So maybe there's a thing.

00:25:15.000 Maybe there's a reason why we like to believe in patterns.

00:25:18.000 But I agree with you.

00:25:19.000 This idea that someone's going to be able to like, when were you born?

00:25:22.000 Oh, Tuesday?

00:25:23.000 7 a.m.?

00:25:24.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:25.000 Stay home tonight. 0.98

00:25:26.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:25:28.000 Bitch, you don't know what the hell's going on. 1.00

00:25:30.000 This is guesswork. 1.00

00:25:31.000 Yeah.

00:25:32.000 But also, statistically, you're going to have patterns.

00:25:34.000 Yep.

00:25:34.000 330 million people.

00:25:35.000 Yep.

00:25:36.000 Same thing that we were talking about earlier.

00:25:38.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:25:39.000 I don't really notice patterns.

00:25:40.000 And people also find a way to take what someone has said and make it seem like, oh, he means my brother.

00:25:49.000 My brother and I have this problem.

00:25:52.000 We really have to work it out.

00:25:52.000 That's what you're saying.

00:25:53.000 Yes, I think it is your brother.

00:25:55.000 In fact, what color is his hair?

00:25:57.000 It's black. 0.53

00:25:58.000 Yes, this guy's black hair.

00:25:59.000 Oh my god, I knew everything about my brother.

00:26:01.000 Have you ever been to an empath...

00:26:04.000 No, I have not.

00:26:05.000 No?

00:26:05.000 What do you think about that?

00:26:06.000 Exactly what is that?

00:26:07.000 It means they...

00:26:09.000 I don't know.

00:26:10.000 I guess that's what they call psychics now, so you don't feel like you're getting ripped off.

00:26:13.000 Oh, really?

00:26:13.000 They call them empaths now?

00:26:14.000 Empaths.

00:26:15.000 They're very empathetic.

00:26:16.000 They feel things.

00:26:17.000 Oh, is that what it is?

00:26:18.000 Your dead family and...

00:26:20.000 I don't think that anyone on this planet, I don't think there's an equal ability to perceive anything.

00:26:31.000 I think some people are way more perceptive, some people are smarter, they see patterns better, they see trouble coming, they see problems, they see things better than other people do.

00:26:39.000 And I think there's feelings that you get sometimes.

00:26:43.000 Like weird feelings. 0.98

00:26:44.000 Then someone will call you and you're like, fuck, I was just thinking about that, dude. 0.98

00:26:47.000 That is weird. 0.99

00:26:48.000 Like someone sends you a text.

00:26:49.000 You haven't thought about them or talked to them in months and months and months.

00:26:52.000 And all of a sudden you think about them and bam, a text comes through.

00:26:55.000 Or they're calling you.

00:26:56.000 I don't know what that is.

00:26:57.000 One time we were all texting about Jean-Claude Van Damme and five minutes later my Netflix recommendations are full of Jean-Claude Van Damme.

00:27:04.000 I've never watched a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie on Netflix in my life.

00:27:07.000 That's the government, bro.

00:27:08.000 Eight of them.

00:27:09.000 Someone's listening.

00:27:10.000 That should creep you out.

00:27:12.000 That should creep you out. 0.99

00:27:13.000 I had a meeting with Netflix about this anime thing early on and I brought this shit up and asked them point blank. 0.98

00:27:18.000 They said no. 0.99

00:27:20.000 Of course they did.

00:27:21.000 Maybe they just get results. 0.98

00:27:23.000 Maybe it's like they have a cleaner and they say to this guy, listen, I don't give a fuck how you find out what these people are talking about, but you can find out, right? 0.98

00:27:30.000 Yeah, maybe. 0.98

00:27:32.000 We'll see.

00:27:32.000 Just don't tell me.

00:27:33.000 Just do it.

00:27:34.000 Just do it. 0.99

00:27:35.000 And this guy just, like, this thing is just listening to every goddamn word you say and providing suggestions for things you could buy on Amazon. 0.99

00:27:42.000 Maybe. 0.99

00:27:43.000 What I was thinking about psychics, though, is I think some people are probably better at that.

00:27:48.000 I bet there is moments where some people have a weird sense.

00:27:53.000 I just don't think it's consistent enough for anybody to pay money for it.

00:27:56.000 I don't think anybody's ever demonstrated a real, like, provable psychic power.

00:28:01.000 But it doesn't mean that I don't think that that's Look, we can smell.

00:28:05.000 Why can we smell?

00:28:05.000 What is that?

00:28:06.000 It's some shit you can't even see? 1.00

00:28:08.000 And you can determine whether or not something's terrible based on it? 1.00

00:28:11.000 I mean, you can smell rotten meat. 1.00

00:28:12.000 You're like, oh, what the fuck? 1.00

00:28:14.000 That's your whole body. 1.00

00:28:16.000 You don't even see anything.

00:28:17.000 Where is that?

00:28:18.000 How do we not know that there's other senses that we can develop?

00:28:22.000 Like our ability to perceive good and bad in people.

00:28:25.000 Our ability to perceive whether or not someone's like a truly... 0.93

00:28:28.000 Kind person or with someone sociopathic.

00:28:31.000 Maybe there's ways to see whether or not people are compatible with your way of thinking. 0.99

00:28:37.000 Maybe there's ways to see weird shit that people are thinking. 0.96

00:28:40.000 Like if someone's planning and they're angry, they're about to hit somebody, maybe you could see it. 0.99

00:28:44.000 Maybe you could feel it. 0.99

00:28:45.000 Maybe you don't even know what the fuck it is, but it smells like the same way rotten meat smells. 0.99

00:28:50.000 Like, whoa, I gotta get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:28:52.000 There's feelings you get from certain people that are just unhinged. 0.99

00:28:55.000 Spidey sense.

00:28:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:57.000 I mean, it just sucks. 0.95

00:28:58.000 Just like early chimps were really bad at talking, you know, and then eventually they became people who talk for a living. 0.99

00:29:04.000 We talk all day.

00:29:05.000 You sing. 1.00

00:29:06.000 You know, fucking chimps. 1.00

00:29:07.000 A couple fucking noises. 1.00

00:29:10.000 That's all they have. 1.00

00:29:11.000 Do you know they lie to each other?

00:29:13.000 Monkeys do.

00:29:13.000 I was listening to this podcast.

00:29:15.000 I forget what they were talking about.

00:29:17.000 But they got to this thing where it was deception with primates that they'll pretend like that there's an eagle coming so that everybody dives down and they'll steal the fruit.

00:29:27.000 They'll make noises.

00:29:28.000 They'll make noises like different animals coming to get you. 1.00

00:29:32.000 And they fuck with each other. 0.99

00:29:33.000 Like, they have noises that equals eagles, and they'll duck down. 1.00

00:29:37.000 Like, and they hear, fucking eagles? 1.00

00:29:38.000 Oh, Jesus! 1.00

00:29:39.000 Like, they imitate the eagle?

00:29:41.000 No, no, no, they have a word.

00:29:42.000 They have a word for it. 0.73

00:29:43.000 The word for these monkeys.

00:29:45.000 Like, there's a certain screech that they make that represents something coming down from above.

00:29:50.000 Miles just sings Take It Easy on the Bus.

00:29:52.000 I do the same thing.

00:29:53.000 It's your favorite song.

00:29:54.000 I gotta sing it.

00:29:55.000 He loves the eagles.

00:29:58.000 After Joe Walsh, they were a different band.

00:30:01.000 Right?

00:30:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:02.000 He actually...

00:30:02.000 This is like pre-Joe Walsh, Eagles.

00:30:04.000 Joe Walsh makes everything better. 0.78

00:30:06.000 Joe Walsh is a savage. 0.91

00:30:08.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:30:09.000 Victim of Love. 1.00

00:30:10.000 Anybody who doesn't love that song, you can fuck off. 1.00

00:30:12.000 It's a great goddamn song. 1.00

00:30:17.000 This is a... 0.99

00:30:18.000 Oh, do we even...

00:30:19.000 We didn't introduce you properly.

00:30:22.000 No?

00:30:23.000 Okay, that was Justin.

00:30:27.000 I think we did introduce Mike Tyson, ladies and gentlemen.

00:30:31.000 I'm hanging out with these guys because I'm a Green Beret and I got hurt and you saw the show last night.

00:30:36.000 So I'm speaking at the shows because Sturgill on his own...

00:30:39.000 Well, let me back up.

00:30:40.000 I got blown up in March and I was in the hospital.

00:30:44.000 Previous year, I'd come off of a deployment.

00:30:46.000 I had like 11 months before the second one was a bit down in the dumps.

00:30:51.000 Got divorced.

00:30:53.000 Had a dude die on the first trip.

00:30:54.000 So it was kind of like, it was real rough to deal with.

00:30:57.000 And then I was listening to these dudes quite a bit.

00:31:00.000 And then led into the next deployment.

00:31:01.000 I was there a month.

00:31:02.000 Boom.

00:31:03.000 Almost died pretty hard.

00:31:07.000 Teammates saved me.

00:31:09.000 And we had blood on the ground.

00:31:11.000 Like, I got blood on Target.

00:31:12.000 And then they made a hellacious movement to get me to the medevac.

00:31:15.000 Long story short, I'm eating dinner in the hospital.

00:31:18.000 One of the first meals, jamming out to these dudes.

00:31:21.000 And I was like, Mom, I want to meet Sturgill Simpson.

00:31:23.000 And then she tried to get a hold of him, SOCOM eventually did, and he came, hung out for like two hours.

00:31:31.000 I made my friend now, General Beaudet, wait like 15 minutes so that we could finish talking about what we were talking about, which when you're an enlisted dude, you don't make generals wait.

00:31:42.000 But I was on a lot of ketamine, so it was sweet.

00:31:47.000 Then Sturgill had it on his own accord to donate to the foundation.

00:31:51.000 So this little tour going on that coincides with the actual album release is donating to the Special Forces Foundation.

00:31:59.000 So that helps Gold Star Families, which are the families that remained of the friends that got killed on this trip.

00:32:07.000 So there were four Green Berets and two EOD techs.

00:32:10.000 And...

00:32:14.000 So that money's going to them, and that's what I care about.

00:32:17.000 I'm alive.

00:32:18.000 I don't have any legs below my knees, for those that can't see my legs on the video anyway. 0.88

00:32:24.000 And I don't have my testicles either, so that's a different set of challenges.

00:32:28.000 But I don't care about getting taken care of, other than the normal army processes, but I want them to get taken care of from the foundation. 0.57

00:32:36.000 I'm grateful to have these guys as friends now.

00:32:38.000 They're awesome.

00:32:39.000 They're amazing musicians, but amazing people.

00:32:42.000 And then I'm grateful to be here and just to push that out.

00:32:46.000 People that are coming to the shows, all that money goes to the Foundation.

00:32:49.000 And then people can go on the Foundation's website, which is SpecialForcesFoundation.org.

00:32:56.000 And yeah, I appreciate it. 0.90

00:33:00.000 That's fucking awesome, man. 0.95

00:33:01.000 That's really, really cool. 0.98

00:33:03.000 That's really cool that you're doing this.

00:33:05.000 And thank you for coming here and telling everybody this.

00:33:08.000 You know, it's a great way to help out and your music, you know, to connect it to that. 0.96

00:33:19.000 I think that's just a fucking incredible thing. 0.93

00:33:22.000 It's really cool. 0.93

00:33:23.000 You know, when you were sending me the text messages telling me you were going to the hospital, you know, it's very touching.

00:33:30.000 It was like, yeah.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, you were, you know, you could tell you were seriously moved by this.

00:33:38.000 And, you know, for someone like you who truly understands the consequences of war, like the physical consequences in a way that none of us will understand, you know, it's very, not just...

00:33:51.000 It's brave of you to talk about this, but it's also so valuable.

00:33:55.000 So valuable for everybody that hasn't served to understand what it really is.

00:34:01.000 So thank you for that.

00:34:02.000 Well, I always say I really like combat, because I was in a lot of it, relatively speaking.

00:34:07.000 A bunch of guys have been in way more combat, a bunch of people have treated more casualties.

00:34:11.000 I'm a medic, but I was in a fair amount, almost got killed on the first trip a good handful of times, so I just don't like the war aspect when you see your friends get killed. 0.97

00:34:24.000 And, uh, you're stuck in a hospital bed on top of all this stuff that's, you know, I didn't shit for a week. 0.98

00:34:30.000 I pissed blood for a week. 0.97

00:34:31.000 I've had tons and nights of excruciating pain.

00:34:34.000 That's the life of an amputee or there are guys that are worse than me.

00:34:38.000 So I'm just grateful for having what I have.

00:34:40.000 And, uh, Yeah.

00:34:43.000 That's the beginning of it.

00:34:44.000 Like, especially on ketamine, when you're going through all that and you're just like, I was telling like the people that took the trash out in the room, like, hey, I'm grateful for you, brother.

00:34:52.000 Like, right on, brother.

00:34:54.000 What is ketamine like after a catastrophic injury like that?

00:35:00.000 Does it relieve the pain?

00:35:02.000 Does it just put you in another dimension?

00:35:04.000 So ketamine is an MDA antagonist in the brain, so essentially it's a dissociative.

00:35:13.000 So the way that it feels, because we learned this in class as a medic and everything, but the way that it feels is kind of...

00:35:21.000 It takes your perspective and it's like...

00:35:24.000 It always felt like a whirlwind if I was getting a push of it.

00:35:27.000 But it's like you're starting to get your vision masked and you're still there but you're dipping into subconscious because you're still conscious.

00:35:36.000 Because unconscious would mean that you pass out and you cannot have a gag reflex depending on how unconscious you are.

00:35:46.000 Ketamine... 0.99

00:35:47.000 I would close my eyes and immediately trip the most insane balls that you could imagine and open them and I'd be back in the room and I'd be like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:35:56.000 And then a friend of mine, when I left my first rotation, he was an Air Force CCT that got blown up in the same village I had a few casualties in. 0.98

00:36:07.000 He stepped in ID, he's in above the knee, some missing fingers, but when he was on ketamine, when he was awake and looking around, he'd see the walls on fire.

00:36:15.000 And then there'd be like women, like white pale skin in the corners, peeling the skin off their back. 1.00

00:36:21.000 And he was like awake.

00:36:22.000 And I was like, dude, that's... 0.99

00:36:24.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:36:25.000 Like whatever, I don't know. 0.99

00:36:26.000 It must be like someone's psychology when they go in, like set and setting type thing.

00:36:30.000 But I was in it when I got a lot of ketamine.

00:36:33.000 My legs were blown off.

00:36:34.000 I'm getting worked on.

00:36:35.000 I'm telling dudes how to treat me.

00:36:37.000 I cut my own shirt off.

00:36:38.000 And then I get the ketamine.

00:36:40.000 And I'm like in and out.

00:36:41.000 And I see these visions back and forth.

00:36:43.000 And like I was convinced I was...

00:36:45.000 There are two distinct moments I was like, I'm not going to make it, and had that conversation.

00:36:52.000 And what's surreal about this right here is that you were talking to him on this show, and you guys talked about combat medics.

00:37:03.000 And you were like, and I'm just singing key.

00:37:05.000 And I was like, right on, they're talking about me.

00:37:09.000 And then I got all kinds of jacked up.

00:37:14.000 Makes you appreciate life.

00:37:17.000 And I've gone through a huge development last year through depression and then this year after this blast of being grateful and doing introspection and communicating and having empathy for other people and being a compassionate human.

00:37:33.000 Which General Mattis has told us, a group of us, on the way back from my first trip.

00:37:38.000 It's like, don't let this experience of war make you a more hateful human being because people haven't experienced it.

00:37:43.000 Let it allow yourself to go through post-traumatic growth and become a better human being and treat other people like you want to be treated.

00:37:52.000 And I would add on to that, which came from Tim Ferriss, treat yourself the way you treat other people, too.

00:37:59.000 That's not a side of Mattis that you ever hear in the press, huh?

00:38:03.000 I suppose not.

00:38:04.000 I think that would be very valuable for people to know that he thinks that way.

00:38:09.000 That's a very powerful way to view the inevitable consequences of war.

00:38:17.000 That started scraping me off the bottom to focus on that after that trip, yeah. 0.99

00:38:26.000 That ketamine shit is a weird one because a lot of people do it recreationally and apparently they... 0.99

00:38:32.000 They blast off and go into other dimensions and shit. 1.00

00:38:35.000 They go into K-holes. 1.00

00:38:37.000 Yeah, I never did it.

00:38:37.000 I never tried it.

00:38:38.000 I knew a dude who died from it.

00:38:40.000 He was really into it.

00:38:41.000 He was doing it a lot.

00:38:43.000 What happened?

00:38:44.000 I don't know.

00:38:44.000 Like an infection?

00:38:45.000 I know he probably was doing a bunch of other things as well.

00:38:50.000 But he was getting treated for ketamine, for addiction, and then he wound up dying. 1.00

00:38:55.000 You can dose the shit out of ketamine. 0.99

00:38:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:59.000 It doesn't kill you. 0.99

00:39:00.000 You can give a kid 300 megs of it, and they will fucking trip balls, but they're not going to die. 0.99

00:39:08.000 It's like the opposite of all the other drugs. 1.00

00:39:09.000 I think he was doing other shit, too. 0.98

00:39:12.000 I think the ketamine was just something he was treated for. 0.98

00:39:14.000 I think he was doing a bunch of speed and stuff, too.

00:39:20.000 Ketamine was originally, isn't it a cat tranquilizer or something like that?

00:39:25.000 My wife's best friend is a veterinarian. 0.80

00:39:27.000 She definitely is jacking animals with ketamine on the back. 1.00

00:39:31.000 It's increasing now in civilian hospitals.

00:39:33.000 It started as a veterinarian drug.

00:39:36.000 I mean, it works great.

00:39:38.000 Combine it with some other stuff.

00:39:39.000 Do you know who John Lilly is?

00:39:43.000 John Lilly was this scientist.

00:39:45.000 He was a pioneer in interspecies communication.

00:39:48.000 He did all his work with dolphins.

00:39:49.000 And he was also a big acid freak.

00:39:52.000 And he would take acid and try to communicate with dolphins.

00:39:56.000 He didn't allegedly give dolphins acid.

00:39:58.000 He was a part of this long-standing program to try to get dolphins to talk to him.

00:40:02.000 But one of the things he invented was...

00:40:04.000 Why is there not a movie about this?

00:40:06.000 There is.

00:40:06.000 Altered States.

00:40:07.000 No way.

00:40:08.000 Altered States is based a lot on John Lilly, because he invented the sensory deprivation tank. 0.99

00:40:12.000 Does he give the dolphin's ass in the movie?

00:40:14.000 No, because it just was loosely based on him, because in the movie, the guy experiments with a bunch of different types of sensory deprivation tanks, and everybody knew that this guy, he was a legitimate doctor, a brilliant guy, but he was also a ketamine freak. 0.98

00:40:28.000 And one thing he would do is take intramuscular ketamine and then get into the sensory deprivation tank.

00:40:36.000 Yeah, that's a double whammy.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, a double whammy.

00:40:41.000 So is that stuff difficult to get off of or do you have to worry about that?

00:40:45.000 Is there like a withdrawal symptom?

00:40:48.000 The issue would be with the pain.

00:40:50.000 Like when you have something that's controlling some sort of level of pain and then coming off of that, you usually wean off of it.

00:40:56.000 But there's not a physical addiction issue?

00:41:01.000 You know, I should know the answer to that definitively as a medic, but I haven't heard of anything that Wordscard had come off of.

00:41:09.000 They had you on other stuff, way harder to come off of.

00:41:11.000 Oh yeah, I was on methadone.

00:41:13.000 Oof.

00:41:14.000 And Sturgill Friend Shooter and Duff McKagan came to the hospital and Duff was like, methadone is worse than heroin.

00:41:23.000 G&R guys were rocking it in the 80s.

00:41:25.000 But that was like...

00:41:27.000 I mean, one week I dropped down 20 migs instead of the 10, and it was like being a junkie for nine hours. 0.74

00:41:33.000 I was just rubbing my legs because they're just lit up with nerve pain.

00:41:37.000 It feels like there's daggers in your leg or some sort of electrocution.

00:41:42.000 You look like on a movie with someone cracked out or something. 1.00

00:41:46.000 I was just rubbing my shit. 1.00

00:41:49.000 We used to see these guys who would come into the pool hall when I used to play pool in White Plains. 1.00

00:41:54.000 They would come in. 0.70

00:41:55.000 There was a methadone clinic down the street.

00:41:57.000 And they were all heroin people.

00:41:59.000 And my friend Johnny B would call them methadoneans.

00:42:02.000 Because they would come in.

00:42:03.000 They all had this sort of dull shuffle to them.

00:42:06.000 They were all slowed down.

00:42:07.000 And I could never understand it.

00:42:09.000 I was like, is this like a culturally...

00:42:11.000 Did someone agree?

00:42:14.000 Did we make some sort of agreement?

00:42:16.000 Like, this drug's okay?

00:42:17.000 It's got some stamp of approval, so we're accepting that they have to get methadone every day, but they can't get heroin anymore.

00:42:25.000 Why don't we just give them heroin? 0.87

00:42:27.000 How much different is the methadone?

00:42:28.000 Does the methadone get them high?

00:42:30.000 It's synthesized, so it's easier to control.

00:42:33.000 But does it get them high?

00:42:35.000 I didn't have any effect.

00:42:36.000 After a while, no, it's just fighting off the physiology.

00:42:39.000 So it just fights the physiology of...

00:42:41.000 You'll never get high the first time you spike.

00:42:44.000 But it's a potent narcotic for the adverse effects.

00:42:47.000 But don't people have the best effects with Ibogaine and things like that when it comes to getting off of opiates?

00:42:53.000 For getting kicking opiates, yeah. 0.52

00:42:55.000 I mean, if you want to go through that, I would say that would probably be your best bet.

00:43:00.000 For a quick solution, if that's what you mean.

00:43:02.000 But methadone, it is actually bad for you, isn't it?

00:43:05.000 Yes. 1.00

00:43:06.000 It fucks yourself. 1.00

00:43:07.000 I didn't sleep. 1.00

00:43:08.000 I didn't have deep sleep for four months.

00:43:11.000 And I'd get in bed at nine, not fall asleep until three in the morning. 0.90

00:43:15.000 That fucks with everything, too. 0.94

00:43:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:18.000 It was a pretty shitty year. 1.00

00:43:21.000 Damn. 1.00

00:43:22.000 And how long did it take to get you off of the methadone? 0.99

00:43:28.000 I mean, once you're off of it, the doctors were saying that it stays in your adipose tissue, which is your fat, for like two or three weeks.

00:43:34.000 Because I'd have random nights when I was off of it and just get lit up with nerve pain and like getting hit with a hammer on my toes.

00:43:43.000 So probably four to, probably like six weeks of weaning that and then I weaned another drug.

00:43:50.000 Lyrica.

00:43:51.000 I mean, for you it had to feel, I mean, because you were there at Walter Reed the whole time, you had to feel frustrated, but for somebody like Mike, the first time I came to see you, it was only what?

00:44:02.000 What, a month after the blast?

00:44:05.000 At most, yeah.

00:44:06.000 So he was still in a lot of, I mean, more pain than I could even comprehend somebody being in, you know, from nerve pain, for how many surgeries on each leg?

00:44:18.000 It's close to 30 surgeries total, which is a lot, but there's a lot more.

00:44:22.000 He still had staples in your back, too.

00:44:24.000 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 Were they taking, I mean, you described this, man, just like, how can anybody...

00:44:31.000 You know, and then he was still, as he said, the first time we met, he was highest giraffe balls on Academy. 0.81

00:44:36.000 But, like, I was profoundly impressed by even then, like, how clear-headed and articulate, and I was obviously, like, this guy's obviously brilliant.

00:44:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:46.000 Like, he just threw the fog and awareness of everything going on in the room, despite the pain he was trying to pretend like he wasn't in.

00:44:53.000 I just, and then that place was full of guys like him.

00:44:56.000 And then when I went back, it's like all new faces.

00:44:59.000 You know, these people.

00:45:03.000 But then when I went back, the second time I went to see him was there for a couple days, and it was like just in a matter of short time, it was leaps and bounds. 0.69

00:45:12.000 He's in the gym on one leg, like fucking busting out 20 pull-ups and everything, you know. 0.73

00:45:16.000 It was just kind of like... 0.96

00:45:17.000 There's got to be something, anything you can do to help in whatever way.

00:45:24.000 And these guys, since I've known him, I've never once ever heard him ask for anything.

00:45:28.000 His only concerns were for the families of the guys that didn't make it.

00:45:36.000 It's just like really around an album release if I'm going to have a bunch of attention on me I thought it would be a good opportunity to put attention on what other people can do to help these guys and their families because you know the sacrifices especially sitting in these rooms and looking at these dudes man I can't even you can't you know what do you call that?

00:46:01.000 Yeah well I want to help so after the show Let's figure out what we can do to jump in.

00:46:09.000 I want to help.

00:46:10.000 So help with the podcast, help with some comedy shows maybe.

00:46:14.000 Do just whatever we can do.

00:46:16.000 I appreciate that.

00:46:18.000 Listen, I'm blown away by all this.

00:46:20.000 As much as I think all these people are listening and watching.

00:46:24.000 It's beautiful that you're doing this, man.

00:46:27.000 And I think that's inspiring me to do something.

00:46:31.000 I think it's probably inspiring a bunch of other people.

00:46:33.000 And that's...

00:46:34.000 That's those things that people talk about.

00:46:37.000 One thing that you might experience or hear in life that sort of changes your worldview and moves you in a better direction.

00:46:43.000 This could be one of those things, you know?

00:46:48.000 Well...

00:46:48.000 You're a good man.

00:46:50.000 Well, I'm not fucking anything, man. 0.98

00:46:52.000 He's... 0.91

00:46:55.000 I'm just a dude.

00:46:56.000 Well, you're just an awesome dude.

00:46:57.000 All you guys.

00:46:58.000 It's cool.

00:46:59.000 I'm very happy that you're bringing awareness to this.

00:47:02.000 I'm real happy that you're doing that.

00:47:04.000 It makes me feel great.

00:47:06.000 And it's, you know, like Justin said, the war side of it is the...

00:47:11.000 The tragedy, I guess.

00:47:14.000 So it's not like, you know, right or left.

00:47:16.000 It's just like this is the reality of it and people are making these sacrifices for you and when they come home, what do we do for them, you know?

00:47:24.000 It's a hard thought for people to accept that war is inevitable.

00:47:30.000 It's a hard thought.

00:47:31.000 And it doesn't seem like it's inevitable because it's not inevitable in this room.

00:47:36.000 I mean, if we were the last people on Earth and there was a bunch of food and places to sleep, I think we'd probably not kill each other.

00:47:43.000 We probably wouldn't go to war, right?

00:47:44.000 It's like, what is the number where you go to war?

00:47:46.000 Is it a million?

00:47:48.000 Is it two million?

00:47:48.000 Is it separated by oceans?

00:47:50.000 Is it just mountains or boundaries?

00:47:52.000 But the fact that no one thinks that war can be solved.

00:47:56.000 No one that I know thinks that in our lifetime there'll be no war.

00:48:01.000 There's never been a period where someone on Earth that's human hasn't been going to war with each other.

00:48:09.000 It's a horrible truth of being a person.

00:48:12.000 And nobody knows it the way you do. 0.99

00:48:16.000 So for you to come on and tell your story the way you just did, I appreciate the fuck out of that, man. 0.93

00:48:26.000 I would just want people... 0.83

00:48:29.000 If they hear that and it moves them, it's more of like a...

00:48:33.000 Just be grateful on a regular basis for anything.

00:48:38.000 I mean, Steven Pinker was on your show.

00:48:41.000 I ended up FaceTiming with him as a result of all this.

00:48:43.000 But he has that book about basically the Enlightenment worked.

00:48:47.000 And we still have war, and then there are people still fighting it.

00:48:52.000 But overall, the world is continuing to improve.

00:48:55.000 And like...

00:48:56.000 Steadily getting better and fewer people are dying from genocide and war, but it still exists.

00:49:01.000 So I would want the respect for war if someone is wanting to go to war.

00:49:06.000 You know, if someone is going to be a commander-in-chief and that's a heavy thing to like toss back and forth.

00:49:13.000 Yeah, extremely. 0.96

00:49:14.000 It means that I may never have kids because I don't have my balls, you know, like there's sacrifice. 0.93

00:49:21.000 And I'm the one that lived. 0.96

00:49:23.000 And I didn't have any kids, but, like, my friends have four girls.

00:49:27.000 My other friend has three kids.

00:49:30.000 So, like, if you're going to move the chess piece to war, then we need to understand the implications of what that means and try to do everything in political power and state strategy to avoid overt war, because it's nasty.

00:49:43.000 Especially with a near-peer.

00:49:46.000 You mean Russia or something like that?

00:49:49.000 Yeah, near-peer war would be the worst thing.

00:49:51.000 That's World War III. Mutually assured destruction is the strangest thing on Earth.

00:49:55.000 That we all have enough weapons pointing at each other to literally nuke every fucking man, woman, and child off the face of the Earth many times over. 0.98

00:50:03.000 And that's what keeps us from using them. 0.99

00:50:04.000 But yet we still have them.

00:50:06.000 And we still have them pointing at each other.

00:50:10.000 I mean, remember when you were kids and we were worried about Russia? 1.00

00:50:14.000 Do you remember that shit? 0.99

00:50:15.000 I'm older than you guys. 1.00

00:50:17.000 Now I have kids and I'm worried about people walking into Target with a suicide vest.

00:50:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:22.000 When's that coming?

00:50:23.000 Right.

00:50:24.000 Yeah, you could, all of it. 1.00

00:50:28.000 Because Europe's been dealing with that shit for decades. 1.00

00:50:30.000 You know, we really haven't tasted that yet. 1.00

00:50:33.000 Like on a widespread, habitual scale.

00:50:37.000 So that means a lot of people are working very hard to make sure we don't.

00:50:41.000 Yes.

00:50:44.000 How does anybody ever fix that?

00:50:47.000 How does any country, how does civilization as a whole ever fix that?

00:50:53.000 I don't think you really can, because it's an idea.

00:50:56.000 It's like you have to change somebody's mind.

00:50:58.000 I was going to say mushrooms, but the Vikings took mushrooms.

00:51:01.000 Isolation tanks. 0.99

00:51:02.000 The Vikings love taking mushrooms and fucking people up. 0.99

00:51:05.000 Kind of being in isolation tanks would be a pretty good start, I think. 0.99

00:51:08.000 That would put everybody in a good place.

00:51:10.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 It's weird.

00:51:14.000 I mean, most people, most of the time, are not thinking about killing somebody.

00:51:20.000 But we know that it is just an inevitable part of being human that groups of people are going to get together and fuck up other groups of people.

00:51:27.000 Yeah.

00:51:27.000 It's always been a part of us.

00:51:29.000 It's one of the strangest things about human beings.

00:51:33.000 It's truly strange because the consequences are so awful and yet it's inevitable.

00:51:39.000 I had to make that decision this year.

00:51:41.000 I found out I'm not a psychopath.

00:51:43.000 It was very reassuring.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, you told me about that story.

00:51:47.000 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 I don't know.

00:51:52.000 To be honest, I'll tell the story before I forget the thought.

00:51:57.000 It was everything else associated with what happened after that I found more impactful.

00:52:06.000 The stuff that lasts or stays with you.

00:52:08.000 It wasn't what actually happened.

00:52:10.000 It was seeing the aftermath and the system and how it all pans out.

00:52:17.000 We had two home invasions within 36 hours, I guess.

00:52:22.000 We're good to go.

00:52:43.000 I kind of snaked my way out the hall and down to the top of the stairs.

00:52:48.000 And when I hit the top of the stairs, I heard the dog growl and the door closed back.

00:52:52.000 So I knew that was somebody leaving. 1.00

00:52:53.000 We have a huge fucking dog. 1.00

00:52:57.000 Basically useless, but he did growl and he made a very primitive noise. 1.00

00:53:00.000 I was proud of him. 0.54

00:53:01.000 And...

00:53:03.000 The guy didn't come in because of that, and I went downstairs and kind of swept the ground floor, and then he was gone.

00:53:08.000 I didn't want to freak my wife out, so I waited until the morning to tell her, and then we called the police.

00:53:12.000 Of course, one of the neighbors got on a ring cam in the back alley, the guy leaving and going down the street, so I had a very clear view of him.

00:53:22.000 For whatever reason, my wife and the kids, they had to go on down to where we actually live. 0.97

00:53:27.000 I was working that week in Nashville, probably mixing a record or something, so I had to stay behind.

00:53:35.000 As a result of me being home alone that day, I was cleaning and working on a firearm I had recently purchased and assembled.

00:53:46.000 Went to bed that night, locked everything up, and because they weren't home, I put the gun on the floor on a padded case next to the bed.

00:53:54.000 So I'm looking the next morning.

00:53:55.000 It's like 7.15 a.m., sun's shining, neighbors going to work, and I hear the back door open again. 0.99

00:54:02.000 And I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:54:04.000 Is that the maid? 1.00

00:54:05.000 Who would be here that early?

00:54:06.000 And I guess out of paranoia, For whatever reason, I grabbed that gun and just went to the top of the stairs to look.

00:54:14.000 I still think it's the maid, and when I hit the top of the stairs and looked down the staircase, same guy, same clothes, just standing in my living room, rolling the cord up on my headphones.

00:54:24.000 And I was like, well, alright.

00:54:26.000 I was almost impressed.

00:54:29.000 The one that he came back with was just like, I couldn't believe it was happening at this time.

00:54:33.000 So I started down the stairs on him, very quietly, and I got about halfway down by the time he turned and saw me. 0.99

00:54:40.000 And I was looking at his fucking head through a red dot, like a video game. 0.99

00:54:44.000 I'll never forget that image of this guy. 1.00

00:54:47.000 Probably thinking he's about to die.

00:54:50.000 And the back door was thankfully still open.

00:54:53.000 The only thing I said to him was, what are we doing here, man?

00:54:57.000 And I hit him with a strobe, which kind of like, probably to his brain, he thought was the gun going off.

00:55:03.000 Because he kind of like, seizureed.

00:55:06.000 And then I saw the adrenaline spike. 0.99

00:55:08.000 And he turned and went out the back door and jumped clean off my fucking porch. 0.99

00:55:12.000 Like never hit a single step and ran. 0.99

00:55:14.000 At the back gate, he had latched it.

00:55:16.000 I saw this on the video later.

00:55:18.000 When he came in, he shut the back gate back.

00:55:20.000 So he hit that back gate on a dead run and just blew it to hell.

00:55:25.000 Latches and wood splinters flying and took off down the alley. 1.00

00:55:29.000 I'm standing on my porch looking like a jackass. 1.00

00:55:34.000 My neighbors are literally walking out of the house going to work and shit. 1.00

00:55:38.000 I'm just like... 0.99

00:55:39.000 Okay, that happened.

00:55:41.000 So then, the next thing, there's like eight police officers in my living room.

00:55:45.000 All they wanted to see was my gun.

00:55:47.000 And every single one of them asked me why I didn't shoot the guy.

00:55:53.000 Which I found very interesting.

00:55:55.000 And I thought about it, finally. 0.99

00:55:58.000 One, when I'm going down the stairs, you would not believe how much shit can go through your head in like four seconds. 0.98

00:56:05.000 I had this whole conversation with myself as to like, Wife and kids aren't here. 0.98

00:56:12.000 You know, this guy doesn't even know I'm here yet. 0.98

00:56:15.000 I'm holding a fucking assault rifle and he's not a threat to me. 0.98

00:56:21.000 But if I put one through his dome, which I have every legal right to do right now, there's going to be news vans on my lawn. 1.00

00:56:28.000 This is going to be on your fucking Wikipedia page. 0.99

00:56:31.000 You know, all of that. 0.99

00:56:32.000 I'm just like, this guy is not a threat.

00:56:34.000 Yeah.

00:56:36.000 And thankfully he chose to go out the door.

00:56:38.000 It was just so weird.

00:56:40.000 They were like, why didn't you shoot him?

00:56:41.000 And I said that.

00:56:43.000 And they just kind of looked at me.

00:56:45.000 And I was like, literally by the time we engaged, man, two seconds later, he's running out the door. 0.99

00:56:50.000 I said, well, am I going to shoot him in the back? 0.98

00:56:52.000 And then you put me in prison? 1.00

00:56:53.000 And they were like, ah, fuck, man. 1.00

00:56:54.000 Twice in a week? 1.00

00:56:55.000 You'd been fine.

00:56:56.000 We figured something out.

00:56:57.000 Figured something out.

00:57:00.000 Who wants to take that chance?

00:57:02.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:57:03.000 With a life in prison or not?

00:57:05.000 Yeah, roll the dice.

00:57:06.000 I mean, if he had turned and ran at me, we'd probably be having a different conversation, but he didn't.

00:57:11.000 Or if he reached for a gun.

00:57:13.000 Anything, which he didn't.

00:57:16.000 Was he a junkie?

00:57:17.000 No.

00:57:17.000 No, he's like 25. Honestly, I saw his whole fucking life on his face.

00:57:21.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:57:21.000 Probably hard times. 0.99

00:57:23.000 Just a mess?

00:57:24.000 Punk kid, probably like I was. 0.99

00:57:25.000 I didn't do any shit like that when I was his age. 0.99

00:57:28.000 His toxicology came back clean. 0.99

00:57:29.000 He had one prior for possession.

00:57:33.000 It was a hard time.

00:57:34.000 I was desperate.

00:57:35.000 So I got subpoenaed.

00:57:37.000 Because I was the only one that actually met him.

00:57:39.000 And I go to the court case and, you know, that was a very interesting and telling experience for me because I'd never really been to anything like that.

00:57:47.000 And he was one of maybe eight or nine other people on the docket that day, all...

00:57:52.000 I signed the same public defender who literally shows up 15 minutes before they start the day to familiarize himself with every single case.

00:58:00.000 And you just saw this factory, like these young, underprivileged black males just getting pumped into the system. 1.00

00:58:06.000 The DA came over and she was just like, thanks for being here, yada yada.

00:58:10.000 And, you know, unluckily for him, he broke into like 13 other houses and they had him on tape and a lot of things. 0.86

00:58:16.000 So we had 13 or 14 aggravated burglary charges, which is pretty fucking heavy. 0.64

00:58:21.000 You know, every one of those is like a class B. So he was looking at 12 to 15. I think he sang like a bird, pleaded down, got six, and then if he does a successful rehabilitation program in prison, he could be out in two. 0.71

00:58:35.000 And she was like, yada, yada.

00:58:37.000 And I just realized, like, wow, they're just throwing this kid's life away because he... 0.99

00:58:45.000 Granted, he came into some people's houses and he almost got fucking killed. 0.94

00:58:49.000 And they caught him the next night, like three streets over in the act, doing the same thing. 0.97

00:58:54.000 But he had no priors.

00:58:55.000 He wasn't on drugs.

00:58:56.000 It was just like no direction, probably no discipline, no guidance, no heroes.

00:59:02.000 And I struggled with that.

00:59:04.000 I was like, man, there's got to be like, what if I gave him a job?

00:59:13.000 It depends entirely on who he is.

00:59:15.000 Right.

00:59:16.000 Which I never got the chance to sit down and find that out.

00:59:18.000 I never got to talk to him face to face.

00:59:20.000 It might turn out awesome. 0.99

00:59:20.000 If he was just some punk fucking kid, I'd be like, good luck, man. 0.99

00:59:24.000 It might turn out awesome. 1.00

00:59:25.000 It might turn out terrible.

00:59:27.000 It's depending upon the person.

00:59:28.000 But there's so many people in this country that are set up to fail.

00:59:34.000 Their circumstances, their life, their environment, what they're surrounded by all day long, they're set up to fail.

00:59:43.000 And I've always said that if we really cared, we have this plan that we always sort of impart, we put X amount of money toward this and Y amount of money towards that, but if we wanted to make this country, we wanted to really make it stronger,

00:59:59.000 you would want less losers.

01:00:01.000 So how do you get less losers? 0.72

01:00:03.000 You prevent them from ever becoming losers, but you help them when they're kids during their developmental period.

01:00:09.000 I mean, spend more money on education, spend more money on cleaning up impoverished neighborhoods and crime-ridden neighborhoods.

01:00:16.000 It's not impossible. 0.98

01:00:18.000 It's not like fucking breathing on the sun. 0.99

01:00:19.000 Like, it can be done. 0.99

01:00:21.000 Like, neighborhoods can get better.

01:00:22.000 They get better.

01:00:23.000 But the idea that there's so little time and effort put into fixing those parts of our own country.

01:00:29.000 I mean, we have the most resources. 0.94

01:00:32.000 We have this fucking spectacular country filled with amazing people. 0.97

01:00:36.000 And some of them just don't get a chance. 1.00

01:00:38.000 Because they're stuck in a rut from the moment they come out of their mother's body.

01:00:43.000 They're stuck in this rut.

01:00:45.000 You've been assigned your lot. 1.00

01:00:47.000 You got fucked. 1.00

01:00:48.000 You got a bad roll of the dice. 1.00

01:00:49.000 That's a lot of countries, man. 0.99

01:00:50.000 This is one of the few countries where anybody can just put the fucking boots down and make something happen. 0.99

01:00:55.000 One of the few. 0.99

01:00:57.000 Japan, you pretty much know by second or third grade what your lot's going to be by your test scores already. 0.99

01:01:03.000 You know if you're going to be working class or if you're going to university.

01:01:07.000 This country we applaud when you started out poor.

01:01:10.000 Right.

01:01:10.000 We love it.

01:01:12.000 Like, people who start out poor and then become successful, that's like our favorite shit. 1.00

01:01:17.000 It is, right? 0.99

01:01:18.000 Like, what is this country like more than a success story?

01:01:21.000 Right.

01:01:22.000 You know?

01:01:22.000 Like, he started out eating bread, and all he had is money to barely get to school and barely get home, but he keeps showing up every day.

01:01:31.000 Everybody wants to hear that story. 0.99

01:01:33.000 That's the fucking story. 1.00

01:01:34.000 Rocky Hart. 1.00

01:01:35.000 Yeah bro.

01:01:38.000 How many shows are you guys doing?

01:01:40.000 We're doing six of these just as a conversation starter.

01:01:44.000 But then the real tour will be...

01:01:46.000 Oh, I should probably announce that.

01:01:47.000 They told me to while we're here.

01:01:49.000 We're going to do a full U.S. tour starting mid or late February.

01:01:53.000 And with myself and a young man named Tyler Childers opening.

01:01:57.000 I love that dude.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, we do too.

01:01:59.000 Big fan of that dude.

01:02:00.000 So that's happening next year.

01:02:02.000 And those will also tie into fundraising, Ticketmaster and ADG and everybody participating.

01:02:08.000 That's going to...

01:02:08.000 I was listening to his Purgatory album on the way over here.

01:02:11.000 Were you?

01:02:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:02:12.000 Miles and I both fucked around in the room when that got made. 0.98

01:02:15.000 It's great shit. 1.00

01:02:16.000 Miles played drums on both records, right? 0.99

01:02:19.000 I just stood in the control room and pretended to do stuff.

01:02:25.000 I can confirm that.

01:02:29.000 So, when you do a show like The Troubadour, is it like knock the rust off?

01:02:34.000 Well, definitely.

01:02:34.000 We haven't played in over a year, and we're going back and working up material.

01:02:40.000 We literally haven't played since we recorded it two and a half years ago.

01:02:44.000 We don't really rehearse.

01:02:46.000 We just sort of knock the rust off. 0.98

01:02:48.000 It takes us about three or four shows to feel like we even know what the fuck's happening.

01:02:51.000 So you guys don't get together before you tour? 0.67

01:02:53.000 No, Chuck and Bob both live in Detroit.

01:02:55.000 Miles and I are in Tennessee.

01:02:56.000 We haven't seen these guys since October.

01:02:58.000 We get a lot done at Soundcheck, basically.

01:03:03.000 But you're all still active as musicians, even when you're not together touring.

01:03:08.000 I don't know what they do.

01:03:09.000 I am.

01:03:10.000 I'm a freelancer in Detroit.

01:03:12.000 So when you say freelancer, what does that involve?

01:03:15.000 Like what he was saying, if someone needs...

01:03:17.000 Yeah, I've been in the area for like 25 years, so I play with a lot of bands, a lot of friends, there's a big group of people.

01:03:23.000 Detroit's a great city for musicians, so you can stay busy, you know, if you know the right people and you're not a dick, so...

01:03:30.000 Dude, I mean, I have zero musical talent, or never pursued any of it, so I love music.

01:03:36.000 It's one of my favorite things to hear, stories about people, because... 0.98

01:03:41.000 I just love the idea of you going out and, you know, hey, we need a badass bass player, and they send you over to this place, and that's like a fucking gun for hire. 0.71

01:03:50.000 To me, as a kid growing up in Newton, Massachusetts, I used to always listen to music. 0.93

01:03:56.000 I never thought about doing it.

01:03:58.000 So when I see people that do do it, it's like, whoa, that guy is making a living making music.

01:04:03.000 It's, to me, one of the coolest forms of art.

01:04:08.000 Because...

01:04:09.000 Everybody gets inspired by it.

01:04:11.000 Almost everybody loves it.

01:04:12.000 And almost nobody knows how to do it.

01:04:16.000 You can always tell the people who do it better than others, too.

01:04:19.000 Yes, there's levels to it, man.

01:04:21.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.000 I mean, Suzanne Santo and I were talking about Gary Clark Jr. last night. 0.99

01:04:27.000 Like, this guy, he's got some weird thing going on with his fucking guitar. 0.98

01:04:31.000 Like, it's a Gary Clark Jr. guitar. 0.99

01:04:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:34.000 Like, it's a sound he puts out.

01:04:35.000 He has a certain sound that's...

01:04:37.000 Like, you could hear it.

01:04:39.000 Like, I could hear a new sound.

01:04:40.000 Oh, that's a Gary Clark Jr. song.

01:04:42.000 Like, by his guitar sound.

01:04:44.000 Yeah.

01:04:45.000 There's, like, something to the way he's got, like, this...

01:04:48.000 He did a cover of Midnight Rider with Suzanne and Honey Honey at this, like, little hole-in-the-wall place in downtown LA. It was, like, maybe 100 people in the room.

01:05:00.000 Tiny-ass little crowd at, like, midnight on a Tuesday night.

01:05:03.000 And...

01:05:05.000 I mean, maybe I'm exaggerating. 1.00

01:05:06.000 Maybe there's 300 people, but it was fucking small shit. 0.99

01:05:08.000 And he did his Gary Clark Jr. version of Midnight Rider. 1.00

01:05:13.000 Fuck, it was amazing. 1.00

01:05:15.000 It was amazing. 1.00

01:05:16.000 It's like, there's...

01:05:18.000 Yeah, but a guy like him, he could pick up any guitar and plug it into any amp and it's still going to sound like him.

01:05:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know that, but I believe it.

01:05:29.000 I don't know shit about playing a guitar, but it makes sense to me. 0.66

01:05:33.000 Yeah, he's got a thing. 0.86

01:05:35.000 I think it's awesome that a guitar-driven act is headlining huge rooms, too.

01:05:40.000 Yeah.

01:05:41.000 They play the Hollywood Bowl.

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:43.000 That's amazing.

01:05:44.000 He's undeniable. 0.98

01:05:46.000 You just gotta get the fuck out of the way. 0.97

01:05:48.000 You know, he's undeniable. 0.62

01:05:50.000 Yeah, I mean, that kind of music is...

01:05:52.000 I've never met him. 0.98

01:05:53.000 We played a festival once he was at, and I just saw him walking across the grass backstage, and I was like, that's a cool motherfucker right there. 0.94

01:06:01.000 He's the nicest guy ever. 0.96

01:06:02.000 You'd love him.

01:06:02.000 He's so nice.

01:06:04.000 He's a really, really cool guy.

01:06:06.000 Does any of your family play music, or did?

01:06:08.000 Well, my oldest daughter does.

01:06:10.000 Really?

01:06:10.000 Yeah, but no one in my mom's side or my dad's side, no one in that part of the family played music.

01:06:18.000 Mm-hmm.

01:06:18.000 But everybody loves it.

01:06:20.000 I think there's some kind of music in everybody.

01:06:23.000 You can repeat rhythms back.

01:06:25.000 For sure.

01:06:26.000 And that counts.

01:06:27.000 Conjunction, junction, what's your function?

01:06:30.000 You're a musician.

01:06:31.000 Everybody.

01:06:32.000 Everybody has music in their life.

01:06:35.000 I mean, everybody.

01:06:37.000 People who don't like it.

01:06:38.000 The only person I know who doesn't like music, he might have changed his stance on it, is Doug Stanhope. 0.99

01:06:42.000 It's like, ah, I fucking hate music. 0.99

01:06:44.000 I hate songs. 0.98

01:06:45.000 But I don't know if that's true or if he's just working on a bit.

01:06:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:50.000 It's hard to tell.

01:06:51.000 But he's the only guy I know that's even espoused those ideas, that he doesn't like music.

01:06:56.000 Do you ever do that?

01:06:56.000 Do you ever have conversations with people and they don't know you're actually working on material?

01:07:01.000 No, because if I'm saying it, I probably really do mean it.

01:07:04.000 Right.

01:07:05.000 You know, or I'm just trying to be funny, and then it turns out like, oh, I could say this on stage.

01:07:09.000 But it's never like, hey, I'm going to work out my IHOP joke on Sturgill today.

01:07:13.000 Right.

01:07:13.000 Hey, Sturgill, been in IHOP lately?

01:07:16.000 Waffle House, actually.

01:07:17.000 Yeah.

01:07:18.000 Well, Waffle House is synonymous.

01:07:19.000 That was a better choice. 0.99

01:07:20.000 Waffle House is synonymous with fucking knife fights and brawls and, you know. 0.99

01:07:25.000 And Sturgill Simpson, though. 1.00

01:07:26.000 24-hour food.

01:07:27.000 Actually, I used to work at IHOP, so my loyalties go back.

01:07:32.000 I'll sing for Waffle House, but I'm IHOP. But no one's totally relaxed at a Waffle House at 2 in the morning.

01:07:39.000 Fuck no. 1.00

01:07:39.000 No. 1.00

01:07:40.000 You gotta be like a fucking deer listening for branches now. 1.00

01:07:43.000 Nobody's even sober in a Waffle House at 2 in the morning. 1.00

01:07:46.000 It's a dangerous time, man.

01:07:47.000 Some of the most interesting people I've ever met in my life were in the wee hours of the night in a Waffle House.

01:07:51.000 Oh, for sure.

01:07:52.000 Yeah.

01:07:53.000 For sure.

01:07:53.000 But you gotta take a risk.

01:07:56.000 Well...

01:07:56.000 Yeah, you're taking a risk.

01:07:57.000 For that delicious ass food, man. 1.00

01:07:59.000 Delicious ass food. 1.00

01:08:00.000 Covered in chunk, man. 0.99

01:08:01.000 Dude, you take those big slabs of butter and lather the shit out of that waffle and just don't even worry about your cholesterol count. 1.00

01:08:08.000 Just pour that fucking syrup on it. 1.00

01:08:10.000 Who gives a fuck about calories? 1.00

01:08:12.000 Tonight we live... 1.00

01:08:14.000 And you cut up that ham, steak, and eggs with that fucking waffle with thick, like a half an inch of butter and syrup all over it. 0.99

01:08:22.000 We did at truck stops in the South, sometimes two, three, and more. 0.98

01:08:25.000 And him and some of the other younger dudes, they'd go in hard and brave, man.

01:08:28.000 We're like, what the chili? 0.99

01:08:29.000 What the fuck was that? 0.99

01:08:30.000 Well, no, that was... 1.00

01:08:31.000 Who did that? 0.91

01:08:32.000 Dalton.

01:08:33.000 Dalton, yeah, Dalton.

01:08:34.000 Shout out to Dalton.

01:08:35.000 Was Dalton, yeah, was he born before or after Roadhouse?

01:08:38.000 That's really important.

01:08:39.000 After, but he'd never seen the movie.

01:08:40.000 We immediately started calling him Roadhouse or Double Douche.

01:08:45.000 And he finally had to see it. 1.00

01:08:47.000 He's like, man, this shit was fucking whack. 1.00

01:08:48.000 I don't want to be Roadhouse. 1.00

01:08:50.000 I was like, you know nothing.

01:08:52.000 No.

01:08:52.000 How can he say it's whack?

01:08:54.000 He's got the wrong context.

01:08:55.000 Don't you dare talk bad about Patrick Swayze.

01:08:57.000 No.

01:09:00.000 That's an all-time classic terrible movie.

01:09:03.000 But in the best way.

01:09:05.000 Like you get super excited.

01:09:06.000 It's extremely homoerotic. 0.99

01:09:10.000 Looking back now, I mean, that whole fight scene with him and the guys, I used to fuck guys like you in prison, like, what was going on there? 0.99

01:09:17.000 Yeah, I think that's just bad writing. 0.98

01:09:19.000 Is that tough guy talk?

01:09:20.000 I think it's Patrick Swayze, so handsome, everything with him was homoerotic. 1.00

01:09:25.000 Right.

01:09:25.000 Because he's beautiful.

01:09:26.000 Beautiful guy, man.

01:09:27.000 Plus, he was literally a ballet dancer.

01:09:30.000 Yeah, he moved like one. 0.99

01:09:33.000 Yeah, when he was like the karate expert and shit. 0.97

01:09:35.000 Like he said, just the right amount of musculature. 0.98

01:09:37.000 Red Dawn, brother.

01:09:39.000 That too.

01:09:40.000 Uh-oh. 1.00

01:09:42.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:09:44.000 Oh, man. 1.00

01:09:45.000 This is one of the worst fight scenes.

01:09:47.000 Look how bad this is, like in terms of movement.

01:09:50.000 Ha! 0.89

01:09:51.000 Dude, the speed of his techniques.

01:09:53.000 The impact of these strikes.

01:09:55.000 Look at this.

01:09:56.000 This is where Sam Elliott shows up eventually, right?

01:09:59.000 Yeah.

01:10:00.000 Boom.

01:10:01.000 Oh, the double headbutt move. 0.98

01:10:02.000 Oh, the bottle over the head.

01:10:03.000 There he is.

01:10:04.000 Oh my goodness.

01:10:04.000 Sam Elliott.

01:10:06.000 We've actually seen a guy take a bottle to the head, so I can attest for a fact that you can still fight after taking a giant, full, unopened bottle of Grey Goose to the head. 1.00

01:10:17.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:10:18.000 But only in a Mexican discotheque in McAllen, Texas. 1.00

01:10:22.000 He had a big white cowboy hat on, and he looked like a bodybuilder, and he had two ladies at the table, and he was flossing hard, and I think he turned around and spit a little game at somebody else's woman. 0.99

01:10:32.000 Oh yeah, let me back up that fucking story. 0.99

01:10:35.000 It was the first... 0.99

01:10:36.000 Real tour we ever did. 0.77

01:10:38.000 We finally got a booking agent and we went out and we did two weeks opening for Dwight Yoakam, which was fucking awesome.

01:10:43.000 It felt like an actual huge break.

01:10:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:46.000 We went from playing dive bar shitholes to 12 drunks to standing in front of 4,000 or 5,000 people.

01:10:54.000 Texans. 0.91

01:10:55.000 Texans.

01:10:56.000 With hats.

01:10:56.000 And we were down in far Texas with P-H-A-R-R, which is right on the border.

01:11:02.000 And We went down and did the gig, and it was fucking amazing because it was in this giant auditorium, and they had these long tables like you would have in a school cafeteria, but there were rows of them as far back as I could see. 0.96

01:11:17.000 It looked like it might as well have been 1955, man, and we were playing the Hayride or some shit because it was white cowboy hats. 0.98

01:11:25.000 We're good to go. 0.96

01:11:41.000 I was like, not really, but the younger guys might. 0.99

01:11:45.000 I was basically babysitting you assholes at that point. 1.00

01:11:48.000 They're all fucking kids. 1.00

01:11:49.000 So they round us up and take us to this fucking discotheque. 1.00

01:11:52.000 And we're the only gringos in this place, man. 0.99

01:11:55.000 And it was like, there was some serious mochismo being thrown around.

01:11:58.000 It was a little threatening.

01:12:00.000 And the guy starts telling us, they get on the mic with the DJ and And they're telling everybody that we're Dwight Yoakam's band. 0.96

01:12:07.000 I realized like, oh shit, this guy, we're a promotion tool. 0.91

01:12:10.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:12:11.000 To make his club look cool.

01:12:12.000 We don't play for Dwight Yoakam. 0.99

01:12:13.000 But they said it like 50 fucking times, you know? 0.98

01:12:16.000 And finally, we're just kind of sitting in the corner, not speaking and minding our own business so that we don't die. 0.99

01:12:22.000 And Miles and I were sitting at a table on some chairs and all of a sudden it's just liquid and broken glass just raining down on us from behind.

01:12:31.000 And I kind of turned around to see this guy...

01:12:35.000 Sort of stumble, and the dude's still standing there holding the bottleneck, and it was like he had these big, unopened bottles of Grey Goose, like big-ass Grey Goose bottles on ice, and the dude just came up to his table behind him, like, fucking necked one and took it to the dome, and the guy kind of stutter-stepped. 0.96

01:12:51.000 He turned around, he took his cowboy hat off, and he went at him and beat the fuck out of both of them. 0.77

01:12:56.000 And I told him, I was like, I think this is where we leave. 0.98

01:12:58.000 Yeah, everybody left.

01:12:59.000 Yeah, it just cleared the whole place out.

01:13:01.000 Whoa.

01:13:02.000 But I couldn't believe it. 0.98

01:13:03.000 I thought I would kill somebody. 0.99

01:13:05.000 It depends on where you hit them, and how you hit them, how hard you hit them. 1.00

01:13:10.000 You could definitely kill somebody with a bottle, though. 0.99

01:13:12.000 Right. 0.99

01:13:12.000 I mean, it certainly happened. 0.99

01:13:14.000 I was reading some horrible story about a 13-year-old kid who got sucker punched and wound up dying.

01:13:19.000 Right.

01:13:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:21.000 I mean, you could kill somebody. 0.97

01:13:24.000 Accidentally. 0.93

01:13:25.000 Even if you didn't mean to.

01:13:26.000 You hit somebody, they fall, they hit their head, they die.

01:13:28.000 That happens all the time.

01:13:30.000 Like that dad at the hockey game.

01:13:32.000 Oh, that was horrible, man.

01:13:35.000 This kid, like, watched that happen.

01:13:37.000 Over nothing.

01:13:39.000 Over hockey.

01:13:40.000 Over kids' hockey.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, man, people get real weird.

01:13:45.000 Bob's being awfully quiet. 0.96

01:13:46.000 I just want you to know he's fucking hilarious. 0.98

01:13:48.000 Bob was so high last night. 0.99

01:13:49.000 He could say anything.

01:13:50.000 This is probably...

01:13:51.000 Bob just was hitting that joint so hard.

01:13:53.000 I didn't have anywhere to put it down, you know, his plan.

01:13:57.000 I thought you were going to come over and take it.

01:14:01.000 The path wasn't quite as clear as I thought it might be.

01:14:04.000 Yeah.

01:14:05.000 I noticed that right when we walked out, Justin introduced, and it was like, where do I walk to get to the thing, you know?

01:14:13.000 What was the instrument that was facing the crowd to your left?

01:14:19.000 Well, up there was a Hammond B3, and then on top of that was a Clavinet.

01:14:26.000 And what was this one that was facing you, but the back of it was to the crowd?

01:14:30.000 It was all exposed wiring?

01:14:31.000 That was a B3. Yeah.

01:14:34.000 That's a trip to look back into the gears.

01:14:37.000 Bob's like a gearhead, kind of a reverse engineering genius.

01:14:41.000 He only uses primitive audio gear, and I'm pretty sure now I've known him since 2011. I'm convinced he only does it.

01:14:50.000 You buy a shitty nose, it'll break, so he can fix it. 0.97

01:14:53.000 That's it right there. 0.98

01:14:54.000 There's a picture from my Instagram.

01:14:56.000 Yeah.

01:14:57.000 It looks cool.

01:14:58.000 I mean, it's supposed to have a wood back, but it looks cool. 0.97

01:15:00.000 It looks cool as fuck. 0.99

01:15:01.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

01:15:02.000 But it's very revealing.

01:15:04.000 Like, oh, there's a lot going on there.

01:15:06.000 You can surf them, too.

01:15:07.000 I've seen him do it.

01:15:09.000 On top of it, you mean?

01:15:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:12.000 Saturday Night Live.

01:15:12.000 Just Saturday Night Live stuff.

01:15:15.000 We got pretty fired up.

01:15:17.000 Yeah, it's no big deal. 0.98

01:15:18.000 I looked over and Bob's fucking playing Teen Wolf on his organ. 0.98

01:15:21.000 I was like, all right. 0.98

01:15:23.000 Yeah, that was a little terror and absolute joy at the same time.

01:15:27.000 When I saw that symbol fall off and I looked up like what was going on and Bobby was standing on his organ, I was just like, Why not?

01:15:38.000 Why not?

01:15:39.000 Hey, man. 1.00

01:15:40.000 Fucking do whatever you want. 0.99

01:15:41.000 Just keep doing what you're doing. 1.00

01:15:43.000 Do whatever the fuck you want. 1.00

01:15:44.000 If you guys can keep doing what you did last night, I love it. 1.00

01:15:47.000 I'm in.

01:15:49.000 It's only going up from there, really.

01:15:51.000 That was the first one, so we were very critical and unhappy. 0.99

01:15:55.000 It was fun as fuck, man. 0.99

01:15:57.000 It was fun as fuck. 1.00

01:15:58.000 Here we go. 0.99

01:15:59.000 Oh, that's when he did it on SNL? Oh, there it is.

01:16:02.000 Boom.

01:16:04.000 That was the first time we played that record last night. 1.00

01:16:07.000 Damn. 1.00

01:16:12.000 That's some good shit right there, man, if I gotta say so myself. 1.00

01:16:15.000 That was a lot of adrenaline, man, because we'd all, literally, everybody, we had all the horns with us, but everybody in the band, you know, as a kid, you dream about that shit right there from the time you even think about playing music, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:16:27.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:16:28.000 Going out rocking SNL. Before the second song, we were backstage, and I just told everybody, like, you know, this is most likely the only time we may ever get to fucking do this, so don't leave anything out there, you know?

01:16:40.000 Yeah.

01:16:40.000 Somebody wrote a great article about it saying that a musical artist named Sturgill Simpson just snuck in a song about the illegal heroin trade on SNL. Yeah, that happened.

01:16:55.000 I didn't think about it that way. 0.96

01:16:57.000 We just knew that shit would be fun to play, but yeah, it is kind of a... 0.98

01:17:01.000 I mean, that's what you did. 0.99

01:17:03.000 I mean, that's what it's about.

01:17:07.000 Do you ever see that video of Geraldo Rivera walking through the poppy fields? 0.97

01:17:13.000 Where the military was guarding the poppy fields?

01:17:16.000 No.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, the military was guarding the poppy fields because in order to get information from the people that lived there, you had to get them on your side.

01:17:26.000 So the way to get them on their side was to protect their heroin production.

01:17:30.000 So you got the United States military walking through these poppy fields with Geraldo Rivera interviewing them.

01:17:37.000 And they're trying to explain.

01:17:39.000 Suspect.

01:17:40.000 It's the craziest thing you've ever seen in your life.

01:17:41.000 You're like, this is a movie.

01:17:43.000 This is not real.

01:17:44.000 This is a movie.

01:17:45.000 Geraldo Rivera is interviewing soldiers. 0.99

01:17:47.000 And the soldiers, United States soldiers, fucking machine guns out, are guarding poppy fields. 0.98

01:17:51.000 And you're like, what? 0.99

01:17:53.000 Wait a minute.

01:17:54.000 They're guarding heroin?

01:17:56.000 Where?

01:17:57.000 Afghanistan. 1.00

01:17:58.000 It's a fucking trip. 1.00

01:18:01.000 If we play it, we have an issue, right? 1.00

01:18:02.000 If we play it, how does that work?

01:18:05.000 We'll get kicked off of YouTube.

01:18:06.000 It's not as easy to find anymore.

01:18:07.000 Why would you get kicked off of YouTube?

01:18:08.000 I mean, I'm just looking.

01:18:10.000 It's hard to find now?

01:18:11.000 We've played it on the podcast many times.

01:18:13.000 They might be trying to wash it from the internet.

01:18:15.000 They know.

01:18:16.000 Dude, it's a trip.

01:18:17.000 It's Geraldo Rivera interviewing this guy.

01:18:19.000 It's an old clip.

01:18:21.000 Here it is.

01:18:22.000 We won't play the volume because otherwise we'll get kicked off of YouTube.

01:18:27.000 But when we're watching this, Geraldo Rivera is interviewing these soldiers who are talking about how they have to guard these poppy fields.

01:18:35.000 So they guard these poppy fields so that they can get information on the Taliban and that these guys who are the farmers will be on their side. 0.89

01:18:44.000 You have to see it.

01:18:45.000 You have to see the whole thing.

01:18:46.000 It's a long video that plays out.

01:18:48.000 Was the Taliban, would they burn it down, or did they just control the money from it?

01:18:52.000 It's a good question.

01:18:53.000 I don't know.

01:18:53.000 Are you protecting the heroin, or are these farmers' means of income?

01:18:58.000 That's a good question.

01:18:58.000 Yeah, I think it's the farmers' means of income, right?

01:19:00.000 Politically, I guess you're asking a very important question.

01:19:03.000 Everything's about money.

01:19:04.000 Everything's about money.

01:19:05.000 Was the Taliban anti-heroin?

01:19:09.000 Do we know that?

01:19:11.000 I don't know.

01:19:11.000 Heroin has ramped up since this time period.

01:19:14.000 Heroin use.

01:19:15.000 Well, from that time period of that video, yeah.

01:19:18.000 It just keeps ramping up, right?

01:19:20.000 Yeah.

01:19:21.000 Ramped up in Vietnam pretty hard, too.

01:19:23.000 Yeah.

01:19:24.000 What a coincidence.

01:19:26.000 Crazy.

01:19:27.000 There's no way that the United States government back then, the 60s, when no one was accountable, would ever be involved in heroin trade.

01:19:34.000 I've met at least two elder gentlemen in my life randomly in bars who claim to fly airplanes for the CIA in Vietnam. 1.00

01:19:41.000 I just assumed they were both completely full of shit. 1.00

01:19:44.000 Who knows? 1.00

01:19:45.000 Did you ever see that CIA drug plane that crashed in Mexico with like a ton of cocaine on it?

01:19:49.000 They ran out of gas and they wouldn't let them land in Mexico to refuel because they knew what they were doing.

01:19:55.000 These guys are like, you know, they have way too much weight and they crashed. 0.98

01:19:58.000 And it's the craziest fucking series of images. 0.99

01:20:02.000 You look at this plane all fucked up, strewn across the field, but all the cocaine is intact. 0.99

01:20:07.000 It's all stuffed into this airplane. 0.98

01:20:09.000 Okay.

01:20:10.000 Wow.

01:20:12.000 That's what they recovered.

01:20:15.000 But there's pictures of the wreckage.

01:20:17.000 Oh, you can kind of see the wreckage in the background there.

01:20:19.000 So in the wreckage, as these planes crash, it's just plumb full of cocaine.

01:20:24.000 Four tons of cocaine.

01:20:26.000 Cocaine!

01:20:28.000 That's 8,000 pounds, man.

01:20:30.000 That's so heavy.

01:20:32.000 400 tons.

01:20:33.000 What?

01:20:33.000 Oh, not four.

01:20:34.000 I don't know one of these is not accurate, but it's just all memes.

01:20:37.000 That can't be right.

01:20:38.000 400 tons?

01:20:39.000 It's a lot.

01:20:40.000 Did you ever see that Tom Cruise movie about Barry Seale?

01:20:44.000 Yes.

01:20:44.000 It's all about that.

01:20:45.000 It's all about a few cowboys, rogue CIA agents that decided to try to make a little bit of money. 0.99

01:20:51.000 My buddy Caleb was in that movie for like five minutes and he steals the whole fucking thing. 0.99

01:20:55.000 Who is he? 0.99

01:20:55.000 He plays his wife's younger brother. 0.99

01:20:58.000 Oh yeah! 1.00

01:20:59.000 The little degenerate dipshit. 1.00

01:21:02.000 He was awesome. 1.00

01:21:04.000 He's great.

01:21:05.000 He's a funny dude.

01:21:05.000 That's a lot like the bluegrass conspiracy.

01:21:07.000 You know about that?

01:21:08.000 What's that?

01:21:09.000 The bluegrass.

01:21:10.000 Basically, it was a Lexington, Kentucky police officer.

01:21:13.000 Oh, man.

01:21:14.000 It went all the way up to the governor's office.

01:21:16.000 Yeah, and it was deep in Kentucky politics for years and years and years.

01:21:19.000 And he was flying a plane, a little prop plane with weed and money, millions of dollars in cocaine.

01:21:28.000 He crashed in Knoxville, Tennessee.

01:21:31.000 Yeah.

01:21:31.000 And they found everything.

01:21:32.000 They didn't know he was a police officer until he died.

01:21:35.000 He jumped out of the plane with a parachute with the coke strapped to him.

01:21:39.000 Gucci loafers.

01:21:41.000 They found him on the ground with his chute half open and just like...

01:21:44.000 Like a powder poke.

01:21:47.000 And a bear also ate all the cocaine.

01:21:51.000 And died, right?

01:21:51.000 Like a big strawberry shortcake just laying there in a horse farm field.

01:21:55.000 There's pictures of all...

01:21:57.000 Well, not all of that.

01:21:58.000 How much coke does it take to kill a bear?

01:22:01.000 It says how much he ate.

01:22:03.000 I don't know off the top of my head.

01:22:05.000 Poor thing.

01:22:06.000 I think they have it stuffed in Lexington.

01:22:09.000 That's a really good book.

01:22:10.000 You should read that book, Bluegrass Conspiracy.

01:22:12.000 One, it's a true story, but it's a small state-level corruption at the utmost level in terms of drugs.

01:22:21.000 Pablo Escobar.

01:22:22.000 Pablo Escobar.

01:22:24.000 The story of the legendary cocaine bear of Kentucky.

01:22:27.000 Wow.

01:22:27.000 Is that the bear they mounted him?

01:22:28.000 Yeah.

01:22:29.000 Wow. 1.00

01:22:30.000 He's got a fucking sign around his neck that says cocaine bear. 1.00

01:22:34.000 I think that's a company. 1.00

01:22:36.000 I love Kentucky.

01:22:37.000 Kentucky for Kentucky.

01:22:39.000 That's what it is.

01:22:40.000 That's like a gold chain.

01:22:41.000 That's like he's a rapper. 1.00

01:22:43.000 Look, he's got his hat sideways, and he's got a fucking sign around his neck that says cocaine bear. 1.00

01:22:47.000 It's all gold. 1.00

01:22:49.000 Yeah.

01:22:53.000 Bluegrass.

01:22:53.000 Bluegrass, baby.

01:22:54.000 I got a reading of that.

01:22:55.000 I definitely had heard about the bear eating the coke.

01:22:57.000 The Barry Seals one is a terrible one because the reason why they found out about it is because these two kids found the coke drop.

01:23:04.000 They found the coke and they wound up murdering these two kids when they went to retrieve the coke and they put their bodies on the railroad tracks.

01:23:10.000 And they told the parents that the kids got high and fell asleep on the railroad tracks.

01:23:16.000 But the parents did an independent autopsy and they found stab wounds.

01:23:20.000 And the kids. 0.99

01:23:21.000 You know what's really fucked up also? 0.97

01:23:22.000 What would give that away? 0.98

01:23:23.000 I've seen that when, like, transients or bums come in on, you know. 1.00

01:23:29.000 It's always, part of our, we would have to find, like, young kids and shit playing hop car and, you know, doing the gutter rat lifestyle and the $1,000 fucking North Face parkas and shit. 0.98

01:23:40.000 It's like, what are you doing, man? 1.00

01:23:40.000 You're going to die. 1.00

01:23:43.000 But, like, bums would come in on the trains. 0.99

01:23:46.000 And this didn't happen in our yard.

01:23:47.000 It was over at the North Yard, this guy.

01:23:48.000 He thought they were done with the movement. 0.98

01:23:50.000 You know, you took 5,700 foot steel with fucking 45,000 horsepower on the front of it. 0.96

01:23:56.000 Like when it starts moving, it's very sudden and hard. 0.95

01:23:59.000 So if you just go to stand up all that thing, all of a sudden when it starts rolling and then you lose your footing and you fall down on the tracks between the cars.

01:24:08.000 But when you get run over by a train, it's not bloody and messy.

01:24:11.000 Especially if it's been on the main line, it's rolling really hard and hot.

01:24:16.000 You put a limb on a track or a body or a corpse, all that weight and friction and heat, when it goes over, it just cuts it like butter and cauterizes everything, like pinches you off like sausage.

01:24:27.000 So we find pieces.

01:24:29.000 Not a mess, just pieces.

01:24:31.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:24:32.000 Unless you hit a fucking cow or something standing in the middle of the track and you're going 70 miles an hour and then it's just asshole and guts hanging off the front of the train. 1.00

01:24:39.000 Does that even slow the train down? 1.00

01:24:41.000 No.

01:24:42.000 Not at all.

01:24:43.000 A cow doesn't slow the train down. 1.00

01:24:44.000 It's less than a bug on your windshield.

01:24:47.000 Whoa.

01:24:47.000 Yeah.

01:24:48.000 Could you imagine... 0.96

01:24:49.000 Let's hit a cow. 1.00

01:24:52.000 Being in the fucking seat, the driver seat? 1.00

01:24:55.000 Yeah, I've done it. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Have you actually seen a cow?

01:24:57.000 Yeah, I've operated locomotives.

01:24:58.000 I've never hit a cow, but I've definitely driven a train.

01:25:02.000 But what was the biggest thing you hit?

01:25:04.000 I didn't really hit anything.

01:25:06.000 Nothing?

01:25:06.000 No.

01:25:07.000 Oh.

01:25:07.000 I mean, imagine, though, being in the front seat.

01:25:09.000 I only operated one within the yard, so probably like 35, 40 miles an hour tops.

01:25:14.000 But on the main line, when they're really rolling, they're doing like 70, 72 miles an hour.

01:25:18.000 Like I said, it's a mile and a half long train with four or five locomotives on the front of it, all with 30,000 horsepower each. 1.00

01:25:28.000 I mean, it's a bag of fucking blood, man. 0.99

01:25:31.000 You're not even going to... 1.00

01:25:32.000 But it just like...

01:25:33.000 Do they have special fronts that are designed to hit things like that?

01:25:37.000 Yeah, it's a big giant steel plow. 0.98

01:25:39.000 It's designed to push 10 feet of fucking snow out of the way if it has to. 0.99

01:25:41.000 Whoa. 0.99

01:25:42.000 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 So like essentially like those things that semis used for deer in the middle of the night?

01:25:49.000 But it's actually a big steel shovel with like an axe wedge in it.

01:25:55.000 Whoa.

01:25:55.000 And it just hangs and it sits about six inches off the rail itself.

01:26:00.000 And its whole idea is to just splatter everything.

01:26:02.000 Just push anything out of the way and destroy it.

01:26:05.000 So to keep the train from derailing.

01:26:07.000 Because the only thing holding those things on the rail, the inner flange of a wheel set, you know, there's like a little...

01:26:16.000 Three quarter inch lip that kind of hangs over on the inside of the rails.

01:26:21.000 Yeah.

01:26:21.000 So it's all just gravity and downforce, keeping that thing going.

01:26:25.000 So you could put like a brick, technically. 0.90

01:26:28.000 You could take anything, a piece of fucking metal or a car jack and just lay it on that thing. 0.88

01:26:33.000 And when that train hits it at 70 miles an hour, it's coming off the rail. 0.98

01:26:37.000 Everything behind it is still going 70 miles an hour, stacking up behind it. 0.99

01:26:43.000 Every time you pull up to a crossing in the city and you see a train go by 10 miles an hour and there's like 20 tankers on there full of raw chlorine, you could really fuck some shit up if you knew what you were doing. 0.99

01:26:58.000 You'd kill a whole city. 1.00

01:26:59.000 You'd derail that train. 1.00

01:27:02.000 We'd have to think about that and Homeland Security would come out and we'd have to have courses and shit. 0.98

01:27:07.000 But you have so many miles of track. 0.90

01:27:10.000 How do you make sure that nobody does anything?

01:27:12.000 There are crews that drive that track on a daily basis and repair things.

01:27:18.000 Dude, you freak me out. 1.00

01:27:20.000 Fuck trains. 1.00

01:27:21.000 That's why I quit the job. 1.00

01:27:22.000 I watched enough of those things happen right in front of me, and it was my job to clean them up and get a crane out there. 0.99

01:27:27.000 I had a fucking cot in my office. 0.96

01:27:29.000 I would live at the yard for three or four days until we got everything repaired and back together and rolling. 0.99

01:27:34.000 But two or three times where you'd be sitting out there in the middle of switching leads, this happened where I'd be in a pickup truck at night or during the daytime with one of the guys I work with.

01:27:44.000 You know, maybe it's a guy, you're tired, you're trying to get done early, and you got a bunch of empty cars on the back, and the dude puts the throttle down before the air goes through the system all the way to the rear of the train. 0.78

01:27:54.000 So, you know, you got this dead weight, and he thinks, oh, fuck it, I got three locomotives, I can push you, it'll be okay. 0.92

01:27:59.000 Until... 0.99

01:28:00.000 When they designed the system 100 plus years ago, nothing has changed since then.

01:28:05.000 It's a very primitive, functional air brake system design.

01:28:09.000 You hook all these hoses up from the front to the back.

01:28:11.000 It runs air through, which allows the brakes to release.

01:28:15.000 So then the engineer can control those brakes.

01:28:18.000 Well, if the air doesn't go all the way to the back, the brakes are still on those cars.

01:28:22.000 So when all this horsepower...

01:28:25.000 Pushing rolling metal hits metal that does not want to roll. 0.90

01:28:29.000 It just buckles up in a teepee almost instantaneously, goes off, and you won't even feel it if you're 30 cars up that you're pushing shit into the dirt.

01:28:39.000 And it's all just piled on top of itself. 0.86

01:28:42.000 In only like two seconds, I watched this train go from being on the track to literally digging out a 10-foot trough of earth and just displacing it.

01:28:52.000 And I think, like, every day, me or one of my guys is standing right there.

01:28:56.000 I was like, I'm gonna go write songs.

01:29:00.000 Dude, good thinking.

01:29:02.000 Yeah.

01:29:03.000 Yeah, very good thinking.

01:29:05.000 It's a good job, but... 0.99

01:29:08.000 Somewhere someone is on a fucking train listening to this. 0.99

01:29:14.000 Right. 1.00

01:29:14.000 Freaking out. 1.00

01:29:16.000 Freaking out.

01:29:17.000 They're just about to go to sleep.

01:29:18.000 I'll just listen to Sturgill Simpson.

01:29:19.000 They should just go write songs, brother.

01:29:21.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 Aren't they trying to do some bullet train?

01:29:28.000 Is that one of Elon Musk's ideas?

01:29:30.000 He wants to do a train that goes all the way across the country in 30 minutes or something?

01:29:33.000 We've got to get from here to Vegas first, and then maybe one up to Sacramento.

01:29:38.000 Do you think people would use it?

01:29:40.000 Do you think Americans would use a mass transit train system?

01:29:43.000 I don't know.

01:29:43.000 They don't use the one we have really much.

01:29:46.000 Well, not down here we don't. 0.99

01:29:48.000 It sucks.

01:29:49.000 We ride them in Europe because it's awesome. 0.99

01:29:51.000 You don't ever want to get on a fucking train from D.C. to New York. 0.99

01:29:54.000 It'd be the worst day of your life. 1.00

01:29:55.000 Really?

01:29:55.000 Yeah, man.

01:29:56.000 I did it once.

01:29:57.000 Never again.

01:29:57.000 I did a whole tour on the East Coast by myself by train.

01:30:01.000 Awful experience.

01:30:02.000 Why is it so bad?

01:30:03.000 Self-importance, lack of compassion or understanding of considerations of other space on the part of Americans.

01:30:11.000 We don't function well in cram spaces.

01:30:15.000 That's very specific.

01:30:18.000 And then when I was in D.C., what station is a big one in D.C.? Union?

01:30:25.000 Is it Union?

01:30:26.000 No, that's...

01:30:26.000 I'm just guessing.

01:30:28.000 That's a good name for a station.

01:30:30.000 Okay, yeah, yeah, Union.

01:30:31.000 The train got delayed.

01:30:33.000 They announced this delay because of weather.

01:30:35.000 There was like a downed power line. 0.99

01:30:36.000 There was a fucking winter storm. 0.99

01:30:37.000 There was nothing to do. 0.99

01:30:38.000 And we travel all the time.

01:30:41.000 And as you do.

01:30:42.000 So if you travel all the time, you don't get the same anxieties about travel that most people that don't travel all the time get.

01:30:48.000 I would rather ride a bus for 20 hours than go get on an hour flight in an airport. 0.94

01:30:53.000 Because that anxiety is just fucking palpable, man. 0.97

01:30:57.000 And... 0.96

01:30:58.000 You see, you go to this calm, weird place when we were out in the bubble on a long tour where everybody's just sort of not talking at the airport or whatever it is, and you're just in your little happy zone. 0.85

01:31:12.000 And I'm at this fucking terminal in D.C., and they announced this cancellation, and this place just erupts.

01:31:18.000 And it's like 30 people literally over there screaming at the Amtrak employees. 0.99

01:31:24.000 I saw a pregnant lady get pushed down. 1.00

01:31:27.000 Oh.

01:31:27.000 In front of me when they finally opened the doors and people were trying to get up on the train and straight up just knocked this pregnant lady down.

01:31:34.000 I was just like, wow.

01:31:40.000 You go to Europe or Japan, everybody rides the tram.

01:31:42.000 In Japan, there'd be more people than you've ever imagined in your train car and nobody's touching one another.

01:31:50.000 It's like sardines, yet no one is touching you.

01:31:52.000 They're so considerate for the space and privacy and existence of everyone around them that you feel somewhat less crowded somehow.

01:32:03.000 Isn't it interesting culturally that they have that, whereas China has very different.

01:32:07.000 China, they just bump into each other.

01:32:10.000 It's so weird.

01:32:11.000 And then, you know, every country has their own way of interacting.

01:32:14.000 It's so interesting.

01:32:17.000 Japanese...

01:32:19.000 I've only been to Tokyo once, but I was like, if you told me, if I didn't know about Tokyo at all, and someone said, hey, I'm going to take you to another planet where human beings live, and they're so much like you, but their city is very orderly,

01:32:35.000 and they have beautiful neon signs and great architecture, and there's millions of them on this one island, but they're super considerate.

01:32:42.000 It's this weird parallel universe.

01:32:44.000 That's what it felt like.

01:32:46.000 It's like if you didn't know about the Japanese culture and then you went over there, you'd be like, what is happening here?

01:32:51.000 Is this a real place?

01:32:53.000 What is going on here?

01:32:54.000 It is about the most foreign or alien experience, especially as an American. 0.95

01:32:59.000 If I was going to tell anybody to go anywhere to feel like a mindfuck, that would be the one. 0.96

01:33:03.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:33:04.000 That's what you told me earlier.

01:33:05.000 It's kind of the place, too, that you can go drinking at night and go in bars and there's people passed out drunk right there on the floor.

01:33:13.000 On the street. 0.99

01:33:13.000 On the street with their cell phone wallet and nobody's going to fuck. 0.99

01:33:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:18.000 Where does that happen?

01:33:19.000 It's such a unique country when you think about the history and their contributions to the martial arts in particular.

01:33:26.000 Just, I mean, the warrior ethic of the samurai, like that book Miyamoto Musashi's The Book of Five Rings.

01:33:32.000 That's a great book for your life, just to think about excellence in your life and pursuit in your life and how all things balance out.

01:33:40.000 All other aspects of your life, like his idea of being a great samurai.

01:33:44.000 You had to also be great at calligraphy.

01:33:46.000 You had to be a great artist.

01:33:47.000 You had to be able to write poetry.

01:33:49.000 You had to be a balanced human being in order to fight correctly. 1.00

01:33:52.000 This fucking guy was like 60 and 0 in one-on-one sword fights. 1.00

01:33:59.000 And became a pacifist in his later life. 1.00

01:34:01.000 And that Book of Five Rings is... 1.00

01:34:04.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:34:05.000 It's an amazing book, man. 1.00

01:34:06.000 We got a Musashi quote at the end of the anime film.

01:34:10.000 That's him.

01:34:12.000 That's him on my arm.

01:34:15.000 Yeah, just that whole culture, their contributions to martial arts, what they've been able to do with design.

01:34:25.000 It's an interesting place.

01:34:27.000 Even their automobiles.

01:34:29.000 I mean, they make bulletproof cars that last forever.

01:34:32.000 They were the first people to figure it out.

01:34:34.000 Just make cars that don't break.

01:34:36.000 And go really fast.

01:34:38.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.000 It's a fascinating culture.

01:34:43.000 So what connection did they have to the anime thing?

01:34:47.000 Who was making all that animation for you?

01:34:52.000 Well, I had the idea for the record first, then we played Fuji Rock in 2017. I have a very good friend, a Japanese friend, who grew up in Kentucky on an exchange program with my wife, and he later moved back to Tokyo for college,

01:35:09.000 became a radio DJ. His name is Shunsuke Ochiai, and he did the radio thing for a while, and then he got into voice narration for Marvel over there.

01:35:17.000 He's just a good dude.

01:35:19.000 We were talking.

01:35:20.000 I went over for a couple weeks before we played Fuji Rock to hang out with him and my buddies and get some time on the ground.

01:35:27.000 The record was recorded the month before.

01:35:30.000 I was like, man, it'd be really cool to do some animated videos for this album.

01:35:33.000 If it's like one or two And we were sitting around his place watching a lot of old animation and anime films and the textures and the color and everything, just stuff you don't really see anymore.

01:35:45.000 And I was just thinking about some of my favorite cartoons from that, especially the older stuff, the 70s and 80s that came from that world.

01:35:55.000 So we decided to start taking meetings with producers just to get an idea of what would this cost?

01:36:00.000 How long will it take?

01:36:01.000 Is it even possible?

01:36:03.000 Would they do it?

01:36:05.000 It was kind of trial and error for a while.

01:36:07.000 We finally had a meeting with a guy named Hiroki who...

01:36:11.000 Was very understated in the meeting.

01:36:13.000 Sold himself short.

01:36:14.000 Just like a mid-50s guy in a tracksuit. 1.00

01:36:17.000 But we come to find out a week later he's the fucking man. 0.99

01:36:20.000 And all his buddies are the man too. 0.99

01:36:23.000 And those guys are also used to working under...

01:36:28.000 Not necessarily restrictions, but if they take a project on, it's from a big studio.

01:36:32.000 The story's already dictated.

01:36:34.000 The parameters are dictated.

01:36:36.000 Basically, they have to stay within someone else's lane with their vision.

01:36:42.000 He asked me what kind of animation I was interested in, so I named off some of the references of the things that I loved and was looking to get in terms of aesthetic and texture.

01:36:52.000 He just went straight to the guys that made those things, because they were drinking buddies with all of them.

01:36:58.000 Junpei Mizusaki especially was the one director who I think Shun translated all the lyrics for them because I wanted them to know, one, what the record was about so they could gauge interest.

01:37:09.000 And he just sort of said at dinner one night, he's like, you're talking about the same things that I deal with as an artist.

01:37:15.000 He's like, you know, I feel like this could be me talking.

01:37:18.000 We deal with the same things in terms of dealing with business and commerce versus art.

01:37:24.000 So he just sort of reacted passionately to the music, and he just said, I want to do the whole record.

01:37:28.000 He's like, this is kind of a dream project for me.

01:37:31.000 And I said, okay.

01:37:34.000 And then I was like, well, how are you going to do the whole record in a year?

01:37:38.000 Because we've already been sitting on this thing for a year and a half now.

01:37:43.000 And they assembled four other directors who were running teams or project teams at the same time simultaneously and breaking the songs up into chapters.

01:37:52.000 So even though there's somewhat of a linear narrative told out of chronological order, and then two little side vignettes, which are sort of same universe, different world, just to give a different perspective on some of those songs, because some directors were doing one song,

01:38:08.000 other teams had two, and he was overseeing the entire team, but had them all working simultaneously on it so we could finish on time.

01:38:15.000 So I went over six times in the last year, and I realized about the second trip that those...

01:38:22.000 Visits were very beneficial because those guys don't do half-ass.

01:38:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:27.000 And they definitely pride themselves on their work and they all wanted me to be impressed.

01:38:31.000 So every time I would come back, they knew I was coming.

01:38:33.000 I could tell that was really motivating them to go outside the box.

01:38:36.000 And everybody wanted to be the guy that blew my mind the most.

01:38:39.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:38:41.000 And they did every fucking time. 0.99

01:38:42.000 It was just like... 0.99

01:38:43.000 Some of that stuff, I know how they did it and I don't know how they did it.

01:38:48.000 You know?

01:38:49.000 Where can anybody see the whole thing?

01:38:51.000 Netflix.

01:38:52.000 Oh, it's all on Netflix.

01:38:52.000 It's on Netflix right now.

01:38:53.000 But you put some of it on YouTube?

01:38:55.000 Well, yeah, I didn't want to.

01:38:56.000 The label has to have a single because they got the relationship with Spotify and all that shit, so they got to...

01:39:00.000 Which is also frustrating because we make cohesive concept records that are meant to be consumed as a whole.

01:39:06.000 Right.

01:39:07.000 And then, like, if I'm not going to radio, why do I need a single?

01:39:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:10.000 Right.

01:39:11.000 Just put the fucking record out. 0.99

01:39:12.000 Skip the lead up, the whole traditional setup, because we're not... 0.99

01:39:16.000 I don't know.

01:39:31.000 Yeah, for people, they'd be like, what is going on here?

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:36.000 We basically made a, you know, heavy metal or the wall, but with Japanese animators.

01:39:43.000 I love it.

01:39:44.000 I wouldn't compare it to the wall, but same idea.

01:39:47.000 Just a visual.

01:39:48.000 It's a visual age.

01:39:50.000 It's beautiful, too.

01:39:52.000 The animation that they did for it, it's really, it's incredible.

01:39:57.000 Was it weird seeing their vision connected to your music?

01:40:01.000 No.

01:40:01.000 I mean, I wrote the initial story, the main byline screenplay, and then told Junpei.

01:40:07.000 We were trying to do an homage of specifically Ojembo and then a couple other famous samurai films like Takeshi Kitano's Zatoichi and a lot of Kurosawa things like Very reoccurring storylines.

01:40:21.000 And we were watching Kurosawa films in the studio making the record on silent in the control room just to kind of keep our mood right.

01:40:28.000 Like to keep everything kind of dark and ominous and no second guessing.

01:40:33.000 But yeah, it's kind of like a futuristic dystopian Yojimbo, which is also a fistful of dollars where you got...

01:40:41.000 One town of people being oppressed by a couple rival factions or gang leaders and sort of using them for their own billing.

01:40:52.000 So in the future now, Junpei and I talked about it.

01:40:57.000 Sex, drugs, and weapons, and war are really the main drivers of the economy.

01:41:02.000 So let's just say that those are the only economy.

01:41:06.000 Those are the only things that have value anymore at that point.

01:41:12.000 And he got weird.

01:41:13.000 So I gave him a rough script.

01:41:15.000 I said, but I want you guys to do what you do, so feel free to add or take things in any direction you want at any time.

01:41:21.000 So then you get... 0.99

01:41:23.000 30 women with their tits out dancing. 1.00

01:41:26.000 That was Junpei's idea. 0.97

01:41:29.000 I told him there was a very old famous samurai film called Zatoichi and at the end of it, this blind swordsman conquers this evil force and the townspeople celebrate and there's this very famous scene in the end of it with this traditional dance and they're doing this dance and I said, can we sneak this in as a dance sequence slash homage?

01:41:47.000 Anybody that has to be a film buff geek like me would get it. 0.50

01:41:50.000 Anybody else just be like, this is fucking cool. 0.98

01:41:52.000 So they decided to take the gimps and the sex-trafficked slaves, so to speak, and then just make a big chorus line. 0.96

01:42:01.000 But then they had a woman, a traditional Japanese dancer, come in and they put her on motion capture and green screen and she did the actual dance from the film and they animated everyone to that.

01:42:11.000 I was like, that's pretty sweet.

01:42:13.000 I wouldn't have thought of that.

01:42:14.000 But he did what I wanted.

01:42:16.000 He just gave me what he wanted to do with it.

01:42:19.000 Now, how long is the whole thing?

01:42:21.000 The audio is the album.

01:42:24.000 It's 42 minutes. 0.98

01:42:27.000 It's a fucking brilliant idea, man. 0.98

01:42:29.000 It's really cool. 0.95

01:42:30.000 I just love the idea that you're experimenting with something like that.

01:42:32.000 Just trying it out.

01:42:34.000 But it had to be a long stretch.

01:42:37.000 That was the hardest part, was sitting on it so long.

01:42:39.000 And then hyper-focusing.

01:42:40.000 I mixed the record, I think, three times.

01:42:43.000 I mastered it twice.

01:42:44.000 And then we had to do a surround sound mix for the movie.

01:42:46.000 So I'm pretty fucking burnt out on it, I'll be honest. 0.99

01:42:49.000 I'm ready to go play it live, but I don't ever want to hear that shit again. 0.99

01:42:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:55.000 Does that contribute to the way you get creative with the sound when you're performing live and you change up?

01:43:00.000 Absolutely.

01:43:03.000 Do you think you're going to do this in the future again?

01:43:07.000 Like this kind of animation thing?

01:43:08.000 Or is this a one-off?

01:43:09.000 Oh, no.

01:43:11.000 There's already talk of doing...

01:43:12.000 I wouldn't do the music again.

01:43:14.000 I would certainly...

01:43:15.000 I might...

01:43:18.000 If they want to run with the story, I'd be all about it.

01:43:20.000 Either prequel or sequel action.

01:43:23.000 Oh, wow.

01:43:24.000 I wouldn't want to make this sonic signature.

01:43:27.000 I would probably use traditional Japanese musicians and then contemporary production methods and actually have dialogue and sound effects and make a story.

01:43:36.000 Are you going to get into the cartoon business?

01:43:39.000 I got three kids. 0.98

01:43:43.000 That would be fucking awesome. 0.97

01:43:45.000 It looks awesome. 0.97

01:43:46.000 I gotta watch the whole thing.

01:43:48.000 I gotta check it out. 0.97

01:43:49.000 It's really fucking weird, man. 0.98

01:43:50.000 It's super trippy. 1.00

01:43:51.000 Light that big Mike Tyson blunt when you get home at midnight and your kids are asleep and watch that shit. 1.00

01:43:57.000 And then you think about what a weird motherfucker I am. 1.00

01:44:00.000 Alright. 0.99

01:44:02.000 Now, when you think about doing another storyline like that, like following that storyline...

01:44:08.000 I haven't thought about it.

01:44:08.000 You haven't thought about it?

01:44:09.000 It'd be pretty easy, though.

01:44:10.000 I mean, she rides off with the two robots, and there's like an AI monster on Lyft dealt with. 0.94

01:44:16.000 Or you could go back in time to the origins of the two Slick and Slims feud with her dad while they show up to the dojo and kill everybody.

01:44:24.000 I don't know.

01:44:24.000 There's all kinds of...

01:44:26.000 Just making up shit. 1.00

01:44:27.000 Pretty straightforward. 1.00

01:44:28.000 Yeah.

01:44:29.000 Now, when you go back to writing new music, are you constantly working on new music?

01:44:35.000 Sure.

01:44:36.000 No?

01:44:36.000 When do you decide?

01:44:37.000 When you have an album release, when will you decide to try it?

01:44:42.000 Because you've been pretty consistent every, what, how many years?

01:44:45.000 Well, High Top and Metamodern came out like nine months apart from each other.

01:44:50.000 Sailor's Guide was 2016. Now here we are 2019. But we recorded that record 2017. No, man, it's like there is a tread water or drown mentality now.

01:45:04.000 Everybody thinks you have to be in front of people all the fucking time. 0.97

01:45:07.000 Or you've got to be blowing air into your brain balloon on Twitter and showing everybody how funny and enlightened you are to be a musician. 0.98

01:45:13.000 But like... 0.97

01:45:14.000 I think sometimes the best thing you do is just go the fuck away and process and recharge and look for holes that aren't being filled and exercise other interests.

01:45:25.000 Like I said, these guys, I don't want to play music with anybody else. 0.94

01:45:29.000 The only reason I would need another band is if I made a bluegrass record.

01:45:33.000 You know, so you just get the hang down and the people you want to be around and love and have a good time with.

01:45:39.000 Like I said, we could make ten records, it's all going to sound like ten different bands.

01:45:42.000 Because all these guys have extremely broad and diverse influences and ability.

01:45:52.000 I don't want to be in a box.

01:45:54.000 I don't want anybody to put a lid on it for me.

01:45:56.000 And we love all kinds of music.

01:45:58.000 So it's not really saying we're going to make this kind of record. 0.98

01:46:00.000 We just went in and made fucking noise. 0.97

01:46:02.000 And this is what happened with those tools. 0.99

01:46:06.000 It's interesting to see your conscious decision to sort of just check out and recharge.

01:46:11.000 Well yeah, you got a certain point you just realize you're not in charge.

01:46:15.000 And I'm a very controlling personality.

01:46:17.000 I like to feel like I'm in control at least of myself.

01:46:20.000 With music I've learned like you can put ideas out there but they decide what they want to be. 0.96

01:46:25.000 You know I knew I didn't want to put a wanky fucking noodley guitar solo on every single song. 0.89

01:46:30.000 Two or three of those on a record you're pretty good to go. 0.99

01:46:33.000 Especially now when the guitar is kind of dead. 0.95

01:46:36.000 But Bob's an amazing keyboard player, and we had this badass old Moog Model D synthesizer that does the Dr. Dre shit.

01:46:43.000 And we did it on one song, and we just kept going and cracking it out and putting higher and a lower octave and then running it through amps and blowing it out and getting it really dirty like a big cracked out laser beam. 0.99

01:46:55.000 And I was just like, that's the fucking sound, man. 0.80

01:46:56.000 We've got to put that on everything and cohesively tie the album together. 0.98

01:47:01.000 So most of the solos are Bob. 0.96

01:47:04.000 Making this fucking sweet ass like synth thing over some Black Sabbath and I never heard that record growing up, you know, so we made that record. 0.99

01:47:13.000 Wow. 0.99

01:47:15.000 So when you're touring with this music now and you're fucking with it and you're switching things up, like when will you decide that it's time to write some new shit? 0.98

01:47:24.000 Will you just tour and then stop touring? 0.98

01:47:26.000 Well, I'm always writing poetry.

01:47:31.000 I used to sit down with a guitar and like, I'm going to write this song.

01:47:34.000 You get like a part and words and you find meter and phrase.

01:47:38.000 I've discovered I'm really just a poet.

01:47:40.000 It's easier to write the words out and craft the meter and phrase to those words musically in the studio.

01:47:46.000 I would say both, all the other three records, I would probably wrote half of them while you go in to make the record.

01:47:53.000 You think you have the songs, and you realize that those songs are not supposed to be a part of this record, and I would go home at night and write songs that fit that record. 0.56

01:48:01.000 Where I would come in with parts, like Sailor's Got, I had a lot of parts of music that get pieced together in the studio, and these guys probably all thought I was fucking insane.

01:48:09.000 It scared Ferg to death, because he's like, I want to hear the songs.

01:48:13.000 I was like, I got some notes, you know?

01:48:15.000 But really, the music happens, you lock yourself in that room with the right people for a matter of days, and you just keep going until it's done.

01:48:22.000 And you have ideas in the moment.

01:48:24.000 But now I don't even pick a guitar up to write.

01:48:26.000 I just write what I want to say, what I'm feeling.

01:48:30.000 And then these guys, you know, push and encourage and motivate me to try to do the other thing as well as I'm able.

01:48:38.000 So are you writing longhand?

01:48:40.000 Are you writing on a computer?

01:48:42.000 No, I always write it.

01:48:43.000 You always write it out with your hand?

01:48:44.000 And I have notepads.

01:48:46.000 And I'll go through and just scribble out sections or pick this can fit with this.

01:48:50.000 This record was very...

01:48:53.000 Deconstruct it, I guess.

01:48:54.000 We did some loops and we would record riffs in a certain key and then record that same riff in every other key so I could take it and chop it to a loop and make it super precise like a hip-hop album. 0.96

01:49:06.000 And then some stuff was just live as fuck, you know. 0.92

01:49:10.000 And you're just having fun. 0.99

01:49:13.000 We had a lot of fun.

01:49:16.000 The improvisational part of it sounds terrifying, but awesome.

01:49:19.000 That's what you want.

01:49:21.000 Sometimes you get something, if it's a melodic hook or something, the first take, it's usually the one you keep.

01:49:27.000 You go back and try to make it perfect and it's not as cool.

01:49:30.000 And we knew that, having done this before, so with these sessions, that was the only rule.

01:49:35.000 There was no second guessing or indecision, hence the samurai films on the wall. 0.99

01:49:39.000 Because in a sword fight, you got one fucking move. 0.99

01:49:42.000 That was the M.O. for these sessions. 1.00

01:49:45.000 The first thing, it doesn't matter if it's the right thing, it's the thing.

01:49:48.000 So when you're doing that and you're recording things, do you pause and go listen to it and play it again?

01:49:54.000 How do you guys do it?

01:49:59.000 Sometimes.

01:49:59.000 It depends.

01:50:00.000 If it sounds cool, like Bobby said, then you probably just keep it.

01:50:04.000 And if you're like, eh, that didn't really work, try something else.

01:50:06.000 Most of his solos on the record were like first, second take. 0.75

01:50:09.000 I mean, Chuck, I don't think I've ever fucking punched a single thing in Chuck's life. 0.70

01:50:13.000 Chuck's perfect. 0.99

01:50:14.000 He just kills it.

01:50:14.000 He's the man.

01:50:16.000 But Bob...

01:50:18.000 I've got a bunch of videos somewhere on our computer.

01:50:20.000 I made him record all of his solos with a joint in his mouth.

01:50:25.000 Well, like the intro thing, they were like, we need a thing for this.

01:50:28.000 And I was like, well, I need a doobie.

01:50:30.000 And I smoked it, and I just played that part.

01:50:32.000 I have some of those videos, too, on my phone.

01:50:33.000 So from that point on, every time he played, he had a joint in his mouth.

01:50:36.000 So he was like, not just thinking about the music.

01:50:39.000 It was like anything to just settle...

01:50:45.000 It was pretty fun.

01:50:46.000 I mean, we were kind of just... 0.99

01:50:48.000 We were fucking wasted. 0.97

01:50:51.000 You know, just kind of like doing the Arsenio. 0.99

01:50:58.000 Can you get too high and play music?

01:51:02.000 I'm still trying.

01:51:04.000 What did you say?

01:51:05.000 You said you want to get so high you don't even know what chord you're playing.

01:51:08.000 Yeah, I don't want to know what song we're playing.

01:51:11.000 The problem is we get so high when we record that and then we have to remember that live or relearn it.

01:51:18.000 And then if you get high live you can't remember what you played high when you record.

01:51:22.000 That is an issue.

01:51:24.000 So then do you go back and listen to recordings and go, what?

01:51:28.000 Yeah, what was that? 0.99

01:51:29.000 The fuck were we doing? 0.99

01:51:30.000 I mean, I had to go back. 0.99

01:51:33.000 Before rehearsals, this was a really weird thing that's never happened.

01:51:36.000 I went from mixing and processing, looking at this film for the past year, to now we have to learn these songs.

01:51:43.000 So you're actually paying attention to what you did there, or played these chords. 0.98

01:51:47.000 I was like, why the fuck did I do that? 0.98

01:51:50.000 Just so weird. 1.00

01:51:51.000 That and we did it so relatively quick, quicker than the other stuff, that we did shit. 0.96

01:51:57.000 Yeah, we had to learn it all over again because we didn't remember doing any of it. 0.97

01:52:00.000 It was just so creative and quick.

01:52:02.000 They hadn't heard any of the songs since we recorded them until I sent them the record three weeks ago.

01:52:09.000 Is it surreal going and listening to all of it after it's all pieced together?

01:52:15.000 A little bit.

01:52:16.000 Yeah.

01:52:17.000 For me it was, yeah.

01:52:20.000 It's like riding a bike though, really.

01:52:22.000 Especially not playing in a year.

01:52:24.000 We know each other.

01:52:25.000 Just jump back on it.

01:52:27.000 I'm still catching things in the recordings that I don't play live.

01:52:31.000 I'll hear little bits and things still.

01:52:33.000 Yeah.

01:52:34.000 Wow.

01:52:35.000 I got a question.

01:52:37.000 When you're in the studio with them, are you in producer mode because you've produced other artists?

01:52:42.000 Or are they kind of producers with you and you guys are finding it together?

01:52:47.000 Oh man, I couldn't tell these guys to do what they do.

01:52:52.000 I don't want to work with people. 0.99

01:52:55.000 I want to work with the guys that just do shit that amazes me. 0.99

01:52:59.000 But no, I'm not like... 0.99

01:53:00.000 I have a rough structure in my head of what it sounds like.

01:53:06.000 You know, I guess, I don't know, maybe you guys should answer that question.

01:53:10.000 Yeah, I mean, you said it, but you have an idea of what you want, but you kind of give us the reins. 0.85

01:53:15.000 Yeah, if it sucks, I tell them.

01:53:16.000 You'll tell us. 0.99

01:53:17.000 I give them an opportunity to not fuck up. 0.98

01:53:20.000 You'll say, like, a Wu-Tang vibe or something. 0.99

01:53:23.000 Wu-Tang vibe.

01:53:26.000 So there's definitely, I have, like, the idea of the sound I'm chasing, and it's hard to articulate.

01:53:31.000 Yeah.

01:53:33.000 But with this, I realized maybe by the end of the second day, we were doing something I know I hadn't really heard before.

01:53:42.000 Or maybe I was hearing 15 of my favorite records all at the same time.

01:53:46.000 I was just like, okay, this is what this is going to be.

01:53:48.000 And it's probably going to destroy my career, and that's okay.

01:53:51.000 I like it.

01:53:53.000 That's all that matters.

01:53:55.000 Everyone brings such a different element to it.

01:53:59.000 I'm obsessed with old records and equipment and getting sounds.

01:54:03.000 What's this sound?

01:54:04.000 It's this piece of gear and this.

01:54:06.000 I'm obsessed with it.

01:54:08.000 We can find those things and put them all together.

01:54:11.000 A big part of it too, to be completely honest, was every other record I've made, even the ones that some of these guys have played on, it was much more like I came in You're the songwriter and session musicians.

01:54:23.000 And then you go out and you're the commodity.

01:54:25.000 You're the singing head.

01:54:26.000 You're the star.

01:54:27.000 And I think maybe around 2017 there was a big part of me that really rejected all that.

01:54:32.000 The newness of it and the responsibility of it.

01:54:36.000 All I ever wanted to do was play guitar in a band as a kid. 1.00

01:54:40.000 And maybe I wanted to feel like a part of something that wasn't all about My fucking head. 0.99

01:54:46.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:54:47.000 And I realized I was finally in the band I'd always wanted to be in since I was 13 in my bedroom.

01:54:53.000 So why wouldn't I make those records?

01:54:56.000 Right.

01:54:57.000 It's funny because we imagine, I mean, think about the first one that we made together.

01:55:01.000 Right.

01:55:02.000 Yeah, Bobby, I met, I actually met Bobby before I met Miles.

01:55:06.000 Bobby played organ on my very first record.

01:55:09.000 I'd never met him.

01:55:10.000 He got called down by the producer. 0.99

01:55:12.000 And we instantly, I was just like, okay, this guy's cool as shit. 0.98

01:55:15.000 And then I think we were hanging out for like a week and we were both going pretty hard in the paint still back then. 0.99

01:55:22.000 Bobby and I would go out drinking and then come home and wake my wife up at four in the morning and eat all the ice cream.

01:55:27.000 And that was like...

01:55:29.000 And I think it was one night in particular in Nashville. 0.99

01:55:33.000 I was working at a fucking grocery store. 0.99

01:55:35.000 He was sleeping in his car. 1.00

01:55:37.000 We're both just pretending we're not miserable and enjoying each other's company. 0.99

01:55:42.000 And we went out and got real shit-faced, man. 0.99

01:55:44.000 And... 0.99

01:55:45.000 We were walking up to Mumbry and going to the only place that was still open to get some food at like 3 in the morning.

01:55:50.000 So all these meat market bars are letting out. 0.99

01:55:52.000 And we both look like a couple degenerate scumbags probably. 0.99

01:55:57.000 We walk by and there's this group of like four or five obviously Vandy fucking football players, like just huge dudes, young men, and pretty inebriated. 0.99

01:56:08.000 And we're walking by and I hear one of them say, oh look, it's the Strokes. 0.93

01:56:12.000 He's like, I love your records, man.

01:56:15.000 And I blew it off, whatever, I'm a grown-ass man, and I just kept walking and I got about 10 feet.

01:56:20.000 I don't know why, I could just tell Bobby wasn't with me anymore. 0.98

01:56:23.000 And I turn around and look back to see this motherfucker standing in the middle of the circle of all of them, like literally eight inches from this guy's face with his hands on his hip, wearing his leather jacket. 0.98

01:56:35.000 And Bobby's from Detroit, man. 0.99

01:56:36.000 He don't fucking play, you know? 0.99

01:56:37.000 And I look, I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to jail with Bob tonight. 0.99

01:56:40.000 And I turn around and like kind of walk back over there.

01:56:43.000 And about the time I get to the group of dudes, one of them was eating a street hot dog.

01:56:49.000 And I will never forget this as long as I live.

01:56:51.000 Bobby, like, snatched the hot dog out of his hand and kind of crushed it like a paper wad and bounced it off his forehead.

01:56:59.000 Oh, Bobby.

01:57:01.000 And I was like, well, now I'm definitely going to jail with Bob tonight, you know?

01:57:05.000 Bradley Coopers.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, the Bradley Coopers.

01:57:08.000 We called them Bradley Coopers because there's, like, this swarm of, like, dudes that had pink shirts on that look like Bradley Coopers.

01:57:17.000 We're surrounded by them.

01:57:20.000 And I don't know. 0.97

01:57:22.000 It was pretty fascinating to watch them all immediately knew that they were dealing with something that they'd never experienced and they wanted fucking none of it. 0.93

01:57:29.000 I was like, I think this is my new best friend. 0.94

01:57:31.000 I'm going to be friends with this guy the rest of my life. 1.00

01:57:32.000 This hot dog destroying man is not to be fucked with. 1.00

01:57:35.000 This David Lee Roth organ playing motherfucker is alright with me. 1.00

01:57:39.000 We were just walking, having a drink. 0.99

01:57:41.000 We weren't bothering nobody. 1.00

01:57:42.000 They were dicks. 1.00

01:57:43.000 Total dicks. 1.00

01:57:45.000 And then we went back and ate all of his ice cream out of the same container with a... 1.00

01:57:50.000 It was disgusting.

01:57:53.000 And now we sleep on a bus and have our own hotel rooms.

01:57:58.000 The bus thing's gonna be a trip, huh?

01:58:01.000 It's a lot like being on a ship.

01:58:03.000 Yeah?

01:58:04.000 It's just like the Navy.

01:58:05.000 You sleep in bunks and you wake up every day and wonder where you are. 0.98

01:58:09.000 But no shitting on the bus, right? 0.98

01:58:10.000 Can't poop on the bus. 0.98

01:58:12.000 For a thousand dollars, you know.

01:58:13.000 You pay a thousand?

01:58:14.000 You can poop on other people's buses.

01:58:16.000 Yeah, or on other people's buses.

01:58:17.000 You don't poop on our bus.

01:58:18.000 Right.

01:58:19.000 So what do you guys do?

01:58:20.000 Just tell the guy to pull over to a rest stop? 0.97

01:58:22.000 You find a nice pilot somewhere in Omaha and shit on the toilet the same 38 truckers have today. 0.98

01:58:30.000 It's already warm. 0.98

01:58:33.000 It's all the glory.

01:58:35.000 It beats being in a van, though, by far.

01:58:37.000 Oh, for sure, right?

01:58:38.000 I see you guys listening to music, playing music.

01:58:41.000 What are you doing when you're on the bus?

01:58:42.000 Movies.

01:58:43.000 Movies.

01:58:44.000 Movies or, you know, cereal.

01:58:47.000 Very few comics travel like that.

01:58:49.000 Bert Kreischer is one of the rare ones. 1.00

01:58:51.000 He travels by bus and puts his fucking face on it and shit. 1.00

01:58:54.000 I mean, at the end of the day, this... 1.00

01:58:57.000 We are very grateful.

01:58:59.000 I want to touch on that.

01:59:00.000 But the bus thing, it's a quality of life issue, as you well know.

01:59:03.000 Touring is all about quality of life.

01:59:05.000 There's no way to make it not suck other than the shows themselves.

01:59:08.000 But everything else, that 22 hours a day, it's like just trying to... 0.99

01:59:12.000 One, some kind of circadian rhythm so you don't get all serotonin weird and shit.

01:59:19.000 That nightly adrenaline blast is the hardest thing on me.

01:59:22.000 I find after a tour that I have to...

01:59:25.000 Figure out what's going on in my brain and not be...

01:59:28.000 You get home from that after six weeks.

01:59:30.000 I can't get off the couch for a week.

01:59:32.000 It's like this weird, strange fatigue I've never experienced in anything else.

01:59:38.000 But the bus...

01:59:40.000 We kind of, I'd rather, like I said, I'd rather ride a bus for three days than go to an airport.

01:59:44.000 Amen.

01:59:45.000 Yeah.

01:59:45.000 Absolutely.

01:59:46.000 You're in a cocoon.

01:59:47.000 It's your home.

01:59:48.000 You're on the ground.

01:59:49.000 It's familiar.

01:59:49.000 It's a safe haven.

01:59:51.000 We're all just chilling.

01:59:52.000 Yeah.

01:59:52.000 We hang out.

01:59:53.000 We're all around each other more than we are our families most of the time.

01:59:56.000 And we're in this little motor home. 0.99

01:59:58.000 And if you get off, it's just like fucking Joseph Conrad, man. 0.99

02:00:01.000 Don't get off the boat. 0.99

02:00:02.000 If you step off the boat, that's when weird shit happens. 0.94

02:00:04.000 Right. 0.98

02:00:05.000 Right.

02:00:08.000 When you guys go out, how long do you go out for?

02:00:12.000 Well, the first couple of tours, those records were pretty brutal.

02:00:17.000 We played about 300 plus for two or three years straight.

02:00:20.000 300 nights a year?

02:00:22.000 Yeah, but you know, I've got a problem where like...

02:00:27.000 I felt I had to.

02:00:28.000 I felt I had to do that because I had a wife and kids on the way and it was like, this is it. 0.99

02:00:31.000 I've got to make this fucking happen. 0.98

02:00:33.000 And then it makes you happen. 0.99

02:00:35.000 And then other people are making you do that now because it's making so much money.

02:00:38.000 They can't afford for you to not be out there doing it.

02:00:40.000 And you reach a point of exhaustion and burnout you're not even aware of because you're still doing what you love every night.

02:00:45.000 Right. 0.91

02:00:46.000 But all the other shit catches up, and it caught up to me pretty hard around the second kid. 0.98

02:00:53.000 And I just realized, like, there's a smarter way to do this that will still provide for my family and all these guys, which is, like, less is more. 0.78

02:01:03.000 And now I'll never tour like that again, because there's no need, one.

02:01:07.000 But two, it's just not healthy.

02:01:10.000 You're making a lot of people happy, but, like, it's not healthy.

02:01:13.000 No, it's not.

02:01:14.000 And that's where a lot of guys get into substance abuse, right?

02:01:16.000 Exactly.

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 James Hatfield just checked himself back into rehab. 0.98

02:01:20.000 Yeah, because those guys, at their age, they got fucking more money than God, and they're still out hitting it harder than ever. 0.98

02:01:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:26.000 You know?

02:01:26.000 After the live...

02:01:28.000 Well, that actually might get me sued.

02:01:33.000 I better not say that.

02:01:34.000 Yeah, no need.

02:01:37.000 That's a tough call, man.

02:01:39.000 Yeah, it's a real tough call.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, those guys, the great things about comedy is you only have to go out for a weekend. 0.96

02:01:47.000 Sometimes I'll travel somewhere for one night and come home, and most of the shit I do is around L.A. It's like the practice stuff, just to stay sharp.

02:01:56.000 But I have friends that do the long touring, and they start to go crazy.

02:02:01.000 Get a little nutty, man.

02:02:02.000 I mean, if you're single, you don't have children.

02:02:04.000 Yeah, but even then.

02:02:05.000 Even then, it gets a little nutty.

02:02:07.000 But even more dangerous if you were single and have no kids, it'd be real easy just to stay out there forever.

02:02:12.000 Yes.

02:02:13.000 Lost in that cycle of like...

02:02:16.000 Especially if you like Coke.

02:02:18.000 Woo! 0.99

02:02:19.000 Well, if you're partying and drinking, you don't realize how tired you are.

02:02:23.000 Right. 1.00

02:02:23.000 And then when you do it sober, you're like, holy shit. 1.00

02:02:25.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

02:02:26.000 Yeah.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, it's the greatest job in the world, like, to be a professional entertainer.

02:02:33.000 But there's definitely some pitfalls to it.

02:02:35.000 Just like everything else, there's a balance.

02:02:37.000 And those guys that run it too hard, they run that engine too hot.

02:02:43.000 Which I think anybody that really cares about it is going to be accused of that at some point.

02:02:48.000 I definitely push things too hard.

02:02:50.000 I sing really hard.

02:02:52.000 I learn, like, singing very hard and physical, it...

02:02:57.000 I don't know.

02:02:57.000 It's like you're tired from the outside in and then back out.

02:03:01.000 It's a weird feeling, man.

02:03:02.000 Comics always talk about it the same way that when they're on the road too much, the words stop meaning anything.

02:03:07.000 They're saying these things, but they don't have a connection to it anymore.

02:03:10.000 They lose their connection to the material. 0.99

02:03:12.000 And the only way to get around that is to constantly be writing new shit. 0.99

02:03:16.000 Because if you're doing the same shit for too many shows in a row, you start to go bonkers. 0.98

02:03:19.000 I mean, it seems to be, correct me if I'm wrong, but similar to why you guys are always changing your songs. 0.98

02:03:28.000 There was a few songs you did last night that I recognized as a song, but it was a totally different beat.

02:03:32.000 A lot of it was different.

02:03:33.000 You can't change the words, but I can change the notes.

02:03:36.000 I can keep it inspiring for me by focusing on the notes that I'm singing or playing.

02:03:40.000 I don't even read music. 0.99

02:03:41.000 I don't know what fucking notes I'm singing. 0.99

02:03:42.000 I just know... 0.99

02:03:44.000 He can probably tell you more about that, Theory Master.

02:03:49.000 When I was a kid, I used to hate live albums because I felt like they went too fast.

02:03:54.000 Very few of them actually were live.

02:03:56.000 Really?

02:03:56.000 Yeah.

02:03:57.000 They're faking it?

02:03:57.000 They're faking it.

02:03:58.000 Like Kiss Alive 2. Totally not a live album.

02:04:02.000 What?

02:04:03.000 Frampton comes alive.

02:04:04.000 That's real.

02:04:05.000 No.

02:04:05.000 No?

02:04:06.000 What? 1.00

02:04:07.000 Oh, you fucked up. 1.00

02:04:08.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:04:09.000 The Kiss record's definitely a studio record with audience. 1.00

02:04:11.000 Really?

02:04:11.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 Maybe we should look it up.

02:04:12.000 That's marketing genius.

02:04:13.000 Come on, man.

02:04:14.000 Is that true?

02:04:15.000 Jamie.

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:15.000 100%?

02:04:16.000 Maybe we should look it up.

02:04:17.000 Are you looking it up?

02:04:18.000 I'll say.

02:04:19.000 Are you guessing?

02:04:20.000 Are you guessing if you know for sure? 1.00

02:04:22.000 I'm pretty sure the Kiss record was a fucking... 0.99

02:04:24.000 But they sounded different. 0.99

02:04:25.000 I think so, too.

02:04:26.000 The Kiss thing is like...

02:04:27.000 They were like...

02:04:27.000 You can tell by the way it sounds.

02:04:29.000 And it sounded... 1.00

02:04:31.000 Well, I'm a moron. 0.99

02:04:31.000 I don't know anything about music. 0.99

02:04:33.000 But to me, it sounded like they were performing the songs faster, which I always attributed to them being hyped up because they're in front of an audience.

02:04:42.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

02:04:43.000 The tempo.

02:04:43.000 Is that how...

02:04:44.000 That's exactly right.

02:04:45.000 The adrenaline, because everyone's going crazy, and you just...

02:04:47.000 Yeah, that's what I assumed.

02:04:49.000 Because I would listen.

02:04:50.000 They would sound different.

02:04:51.000 On some of those records, it might not even be them playing.

02:04:56.000 How dare you! 0.99

02:04:58.000 They get ghost players and they have to sign waivers and stuff. 0.64

02:05:02.000 Like the monkeys.

02:05:06.000 Which, those records are incredible.

02:05:08.000 You know, because it's all the wrecking crew playing the music.

02:05:11.000 Those are good songs. 1.00

02:05:13.000 Harry Nilsson and Neil Diamond wrote 90% of that shit. 1.00

02:05:16.000 Really? 0.99

02:05:16.000 That's why they're great songs. 0.99

02:05:18.000 The Beach Boys.

02:05:19.000 The Beach Boys, exactly.

02:05:21.000 And they were all cut out here with the A-Team musicians.

02:05:25.000 The Monkees made some killer records, man.

02:05:27.000 Then I saw her face. 0.85

02:05:29.000 Porpoise song.

02:05:29.000 One of the most psychedelic things I've ever heard.

02:05:34.000 Yeah, they got dismissed because everybody knew they were kind of an artificially created band.

02:05:38.000 Well, they were.

02:05:39.000 Yeah, that they were put on television.

02:05:41.000 They were singing it.

02:05:42.000 Yeah.

02:05:42.000 They were actually singing it.

02:05:44.000 Who do you guys think is the best singer of the Monkees?

02:05:47.000 Ooh, Mickey?

02:05:49.000 Oh, man.

02:05:51.000 I don't know.

02:05:52.000 Who's the best?

02:05:53.000 I don't know.

02:05:53.000 The best singer?

02:05:55.000 I think so.

02:05:56.000 I only know one name.

02:05:57.000 I know Mickey.

02:05:58.000 Mickey Dolenz.

02:06:00.000 Davey Jones.

02:06:01.000 That's right.

02:06:01.000 I forgot about Davey Jones.

02:06:02.000 Davey has the cleanest voice, I think, but I don't know if he was my favorite singer.

02:06:05.000 Who are the other monkeys?

02:06:07.000 Mickey Dolenz, Mike Nesmith, and Peter Tork.

02:06:09.000 Mike Nesmith and Peter Tork.

02:06:12.000 Mike and Peter were the real musicians.

02:06:14.000 Mike made the best solo records, I think.

02:06:17.000 I think Mickey's a good singer.

02:06:19.000 Mickey was a good singer.

02:06:21.000 It's kind of annoying the way he sings some of the R&B stuff on Head or something.

02:06:28.000 It's annoying?

02:06:29.000 Yeah, it's a little much.

02:06:30.000 Have you seen Head?

02:06:31.000 I don't remember it, no.

02:06:33.000 Oh, man.

02:06:33.000 You've got to watch the movie.

02:06:34.000 It's...

02:06:35.000 What is it?

02:06:37.000 The Monkees movie.

02:06:38.000 The Monkees made a movie?

02:06:39.000 It's psychedelic as Brian Auger and Julie Driscoll.

02:06:44.000 It's called Head?

02:06:45.000 Yeah, all these guest musicians.

02:06:46.000 Like as in your head?

02:06:48.000 Feed your head? 0.80

02:06:49.000 Jefferson Airplane?

02:06:50.000 Do drugs?

02:06:51.000 Really?

02:06:52.000 It's an insane psychedelic movie. 1.00

02:06:56.000 What in the fuck? 0.99

02:06:59.000 The visuals are pretty incredible. 1.00

02:07:02.000 I live in an alternate universe.

02:07:05.000 I didn't know this existed.

02:07:06.000 Do you think that's on Netflix?

02:07:08.000 Please check.

02:07:09.000 What is that?

02:07:10.000 Annette Funicelli's in it.

02:07:12.000 Whoa.

02:07:13.000 Powerful Annette Funicelli. 0.99

02:07:15.000 Jack Nicholson.

02:07:17.000 Sonny Liston's in it?

02:07:18.000 The boxer?

02:07:19.000 Yes.

02:07:19.000 Oh my god.

02:07:21.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:07:21.000 Jack fucking Nicholson, man. 1.00

02:07:23.000 I forgot about that. 0.99

02:07:23.000 Western Desert Saga, horror film, musical horror film, science fiction. 0.99

02:07:26.000 It's memorable.

02:07:27.000 It's memorable.

02:07:30.000 Find out the things on Netflix.

02:07:32.000 Might have to recommend that to people.

02:07:34.000 We should have a fight companion where we just watch Head. 1.00

02:07:37.000 We just get blitzed.

02:07:39.000 It's on YouTube?

02:07:40.000 Okay.

02:07:40.000 Good.

02:07:41.000 Good to know.

02:07:42.000 That's what we'll do.

02:07:43.000 We'll have a fight companion where we watch The Monkey's Head. 0.90

02:07:46.000 A list of movies.

02:07:47.000 Oh, Jack Nicholson wrote the screenplay.

02:07:49.000 Did he really?

02:07:49.000 Yeah.

02:07:50.000 Wow.

02:07:50.000 Bob Raffleson.

02:07:52.000 That's crazy.

02:07:53.000 What does it say?

02:07:55.000 1968?

02:07:55.000 1968. 1968. Big box office.

02:07:59.000 Whoa, it made $16,000.

02:08:03.000 Bro, it made $16,000 in the box office. 1.00

02:08:07.000 Somebody got fired for that fucking movie. 0.99

02:08:11.000 When did they try to make it? 1.00

02:08:12.000 68?

02:08:13.000 When was it over for the Monkees?

02:08:16.000 Was this like their attempt at...

02:08:19.000 67, 68 was sort of the peak, right?

02:08:22.000 I don't know.

02:08:22.000 Probably after that movie, man.

02:08:24.000 When was the TV show?

02:08:25.000 Late 60s.

02:08:26.000 Late 60s.

02:08:28.000 They had to make...

02:08:29.000 They got it canceled so they could make room for Joyce DeWitt. 1.00

02:08:34.000 From Three's Company?

02:08:35.000 Yes.

02:08:36.000 Chuck and I have the official Joyce DeWitt Appreciation fan club.

02:08:39.000 If you want to be a member, we can talk about it.

02:08:40.000 I think I'm already in.

02:08:41.000 I have my own chapter.

02:08:44.000 Yeah, but you ain't in these guys' chapters, man.

02:08:46.000 It's different?

02:08:47.000 How do you guys rock it?

02:08:49.000 Can't say it on air.

02:08:50.000 Five-year-old fetish obsession level, maybe?

02:08:52.000 I don't know.

02:08:53.000 I used to be a Mary Tyler Moore fan.

02:08:56.000 That was my gal. 0.91

02:08:59.000 She's no Joyce DeWitt. 0.74

02:09:01.000 No?

02:09:01.000 No.

02:09:02.000 But not Suzanne Somers?

02:09:04.000 No, Chrissy can go home. 1.00

02:09:05.000 Really?

02:09:06.000 Why do you think that?

02:09:07.000 Do you think she's too needy? 1.00

02:09:09.000 What happens with Chrissy?

02:09:11.000 She's just not Joyce DeWitt.

02:09:13.000 I don't know.

02:09:14.000 That's just your thing.

02:09:15.000 Do you feel like she was overlooked?

02:09:18.000 Sort of like Ginger?

02:09:19.000 No, not Ginger.

02:09:20.000 Marianne.

02:09:21.000 Sort of like Marianne from Gilligan's Island?

02:09:23.000 Was Janet overlooked?

02:09:25.000 It seemed like it.

02:09:26.000 Marianne was definitely overlooked.

02:09:28.000 Everybody was into Ginger.

02:09:29.000 What a conversation.

02:09:31.000 Marianne looked like a giant pain in the... 1.00

02:09:33.000 I mean, Ginger, rather, looked like a giant pain in the ass. 1.00

02:09:35.000 There's Joyce Duet. 0.99

02:09:36.000 Oh, look at that one there.

02:09:38.000 That's not her, is it?

02:09:39.000 Everybody gets old.

02:09:40.000 Come on, get old.

02:09:41.000 Is that a mugshot?

02:09:42.000 Yeah, probably.

02:09:43.000 Cops, DUI, yo.

02:09:45.000 Mugshot.

02:09:45.000 Sorry, Joyce.

02:09:47.000 But when she was in her prime... 0.65

02:09:49.000 What a doll. 0.73

02:09:51.000 Love God's creation.

02:09:53.000 Is that what it says on her shirt there?

02:09:55.000 No.

02:10:02.000 Do you remember when they took Suzanne Somers off the show?

02:10:04.000 Yeah.

02:10:04.000 She had a call in.

02:10:06.000 She was like, calling in.

02:10:07.000 It's like, hey, it's me.

02:10:09.000 I know I'm still on the show, but I'm on a vacation.

02:10:12.000 I'll miss you guys.

02:10:13.000 Bye.

02:10:14.000 Like, that was her being on the show.

02:10:15.000 Mm-hmm.

02:10:16.000 They'd have a phone call with her, and she wouldn't be interacting with them.

02:10:19.000 Your cousin Cindy took over.

02:10:21.000 Yeah, and then they fired her, right? 0.97

02:10:23.000 It was like contract negotiation.

02:10:26.000 That was the first time you realized, like, even people on TV are never happy.

02:10:30.000 Right.

02:10:32.000 They're on TV. They want more money.

02:10:34.000 Woo! 0.99

02:10:36.000 The Regal Beagle.

02:10:38.000 Ooh, I remember that.

02:10:40.000 Remember when they switched the old folks, too? 0.99

02:10:44.000 Yeah, it went from Mr. Roper to Mr. Furley.

02:10:46.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:10:47.000 Mr. Furley was a decent...

02:10:48.000 Don Knotts?

02:10:49.000 You know, that was a good fill-in.

02:10:50.000 Our guy at Dan Tana's last night was basically Mr. Furley.

02:10:53.000 Really?

02:10:54.000 Mr. Furley never broke the wall, though, the way Mr. Roper did it.

02:10:59.000 That was the best part.

02:11:00.000 He'd get a zinger in and look at the camera. 0.99

02:11:02.000 That's the funniest shit ever, man. 1.00

02:11:03.000 Mr. Roper had a special sense of humor, and he was also a lovable pervert. 1.00

02:11:09.000 Right? 0.85

02:11:09.000 Remember? 0.85

02:11:10.000 He was like really into the girls?

02:11:11.000 Mr. Roper was like for sure.

02:11:13.000 That was Don Knotts, right?

02:11:14.000 I don't know.

02:11:14.000 I think it was Mr. Roper.

02:11:16.000 Was it Don Knotts? 0.77

02:11:18.000 Who was the lovable pervert?

02:11:19.000 Was it Don Knotts or was it Mr. Roper? 0.99

02:11:21.000 But I thought the other one was kind of a perv too. 0.69

02:11:24.000 No, he was married to Mrs. Roper. 0.89

02:11:26.000 He was, though. 0.72

02:11:27.000 Wasn't he kind of a perv to the girls? 0.81

02:11:28.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.58

02:11:29.000 He just, yeah.

02:11:30.000 Guys could be way more pervy on TV back then.

02:11:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:34.000 Oh, man, there you go.

02:11:36.000 Yeah, Don Lotz was a player, remember?

02:11:39.000 Look at that.

02:11:40.000 I met John Ritter.

02:11:43.000 John Ritter was on an episode of News Radio.

02:11:45.000 Super nice guy.

02:11:46.000 Real, real nice guy.

02:11:48.000 Everybody loved him.

02:11:50.000 As I got older, I always wondered about that guy.

02:11:53.000 I've always been fascinated by people who do a lot of pratfalls.

02:11:57.000 Those guys get really hurt. 1.00

02:11:59.000 That pratfall shit, it's like you're playing rugby with yourself. 1.00

02:12:06.000 You're throwing yourself into chairs and onto the ground. 1.00

02:12:09.000 You're falling down the way somebody falling down falls down. 1.00

02:12:12.000 Yeah, you're falling down and taking the impact on your fucking back. 0.99

02:12:15.000 And a lot of those guys get significantly injured. 0.99

02:12:19.000 And if you read back on ancient movie stars, a lot of them got...

02:12:25.000 Really badly hurt.

02:12:26.000 It was Buster Keaton.

02:12:27.000 Had the broken neck.

02:12:28.000 We showed this video of him.

02:12:30.000 He did these crazy stunts and one of the stunts he did like he had this water come down from this thing and hit him in the head.

02:12:36.000 Who told us about this?

02:12:37.000 Was it Penn?

02:12:38.000 Penn Jillette? 0.99

02:12:39.000 And he broke his fucking neck from the water hitting him. 0.99

02:12:42.000 They didn't anticipate the weight of the water and the water was so powerful that slammed him to the ground. 1.00

02:12:47.000 And broke his fucking neck, and he continued with the scene. 0.98

02:12:50.000 And then later, when he was older, the doctor was examining him, like, when did you break your neck? 1.00

02:12:54.000 He's like, I never did. 1.00

02:12:56.000 And he's like, the fuck you didn't? 1.00

02:12:57.000 Like, bro, you broke your neck. 1.00

02:12:59.000 You broke your neck, dude.

02:12:59.000 You didn't even know he was running around with a broken neck.

02:13:02.000 Different humans back then, son.

02:13:05.000 They made people different.

02:13:06.000 All the Cliff Booths of the world.

02:13:08.000 Yeah.

02:13:09.000 But him, Jack Tripper, John Ritter, he did a lot of pratfalls, man.

02:13:13.000 A lot.

02:13:14.000 I always wondered about guys like that.

02:13:16.000 I'm like, how much pain is that dude in?

02:13:19.000 What's his face?

02:13:20.000 Chevy Chase?

02:13:21.000 I gotta think that was a contributor to him being cranky.

02:13:24.000 People always say that Chevy Chase is cranky.

02:13:27.000 There was some recent thing where he was yelling at somebody for something. 0.99

02:13:31.000 A guy's probably in fucking pain all the time from falling down. 0.98

02:13:34.000 Like, guys with back injuries from doing a lot of those pratfalls. 0.99

02:13:38.000 Like, they're always throwing themselves up in the air, legs up.

02:13:41.000 Bam! 0.98

02:13:41.000 Bouncing off the ground. 0.98

02:13:43.000 It hurts being Clark Griswold.

02:13:45.000 Yes.

02:13:47.000 That's right. 1.00

02:13:48.000 All that shit he did. 1.00

02:13:49.000 Right? 1.00

02:13:50.000 He was always falling down, right?

02:13:51.000 He was always falling down on SNL. Always getting fucked up, man. 1.00

02:13:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:55.000 He fell off the roof.

02:13:57.000 That's right.

02:13:58.000 He did fall off the roof.

02:13:59.000 He fell out of the attic?

02:14:00.000 He fell out of the attic.

02:14:01.000 I wonder what they did with that.

02:14:02.000 How did they set that up?

02:14:04.000 These stunt guys, you think?

02:14:05.000 It's hard to say, man.

02:14:07.000 I don't know.

02:14:09.000 I've ventured into thespian a little bit myself. 0.99

02:14:14.000 The stunt guys do the crazy shit, but like... 1.00

02:14:18.000 You know, you can still get fucked up. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Stunt guys get fucked up a lot. 0.99

02:14:21.000 My friend Tate just got a severe concussion from doing some stunt work in a movie. 0.99

02:14:25.000 He's having a hard time looking at lights.

02:14:30.000 I fell on my back in some rehearsals for a movie last year.

02:14:35.000 We had to go to New Orleans for like a week and rehearse this scene because it was going to be one like 12 minute shot.

02:14:42.000 And Daniel Kaluuya and I had to like body slam each other on the pavement about 20 times one day and I guess I landed on the pad on the curb wrong.

02:14:50.000 I got home that night and it felt like my kidneys were on fire and then I had to piss like every three minutes for the next week. 0.81

02:14:56.000 I had some blood tracing and so of course the next week is when we went to actually film the fucking thing in Cleveland in the middle of the polar vortex.

02:15:02.000 We're out there in the shoot and the whole time I'm just like I feel like I got a bladder infection from just from falling down one time wrong. 0.59

02:15:07.000 And you have to do it again.

02:15:09.000 Oh, we did it like 150 times.

02:15:12.000 Just for this movie?

02:15:14.000 For one scene in the movie.

02:15:15.000 Yeah, I'll never question how hard those people work ever again, man.

02:15:19.000 Did you get an MRI? I went to a doctor in New Orleans and she checked it out and said there was trace blood, but nothing was...

02:15:27.000 She said, don't be a pussy? 1.00

02:15:28.000 Don't be a pussy, essentially, yeah. 1.00

02:15:31.000 Pretty much. 1.00

02:15:32.000 I was like, alright, I won't be a pussy. 0.99

02:15:35.000 Yeah, that kind of impacts. 1.00

02:15:37.000 That's no bueno.

02:15:38.000 Yeah.

02:15:41.000 It's a weird way to make a living.

02:15:43.000 I mean, you guys probably have...

02:15:44.000 Every single person that does your job for at least a few years probably has sustained impact and stress injuries, I would imagine.

02:15:54.000 Oh yeah, dudes are jacked up all the time.

02:15:56.000 Dudes are jacked up while they're active duty.

02:15:59.000 Like, the guys that actually walk in here and are on your show, like they're...

02:16:05.000 They're probably all jacked up and then they're probably the better off ones because they took care of their bodies. 1.00

02:16:10.000 A lot of people don't do that.

02:16:12.000 That's like becoming more of a thing like the tactical athlete.

02:16:16.000 But knees, I mean my knee was getting janky before the foot blew off of it.

02:16:20.000 How much of that was from squatting 8,000 pounds all through your 20s though?

02:16:24.000 I would say that was a preventative measure.

02:16:26.000 Really?

02:16:27.000 You train all the time.

02:16:30.000 You maintain going through full ranges of motion and keeping structures loaded and pliable.

02:16:37.000 Strength train and do conditioning, endurance-based stuff and maintain mobility.

02:16:41.000 You lose mobility, you start dying.

02:16:46.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:16:46.000 Definitely when it comes to anything that's going to be throwing you around or battering you into something, the more muscle, the more strength you can put into your body, the more you can protect yourself, but obviously only so much.

02:17:01.000 But when you think about wrestlers or anybody who does anything when they're getting slammed to the ground a lot, they're mostly doing it, if they're doing it as a competitive wrestler, doing it on mats that are cushioned.

02:17:14.000 If you're doing it on the street, and they've got you doing some sort of stunt maneuvers, what kind of pads do they have underneath you?

02:17:23.000 Like a basic martial arts...

02:17:26.000 Like a big, thick, bad boy?

02:17:27.000 Not real thick.

02:17:28.000 No, it's just those little blue...

02:17:29.000 Thin ones, really?

02:17:30.000 ...that fold up.

02:17:31.000 Because they want to see your body actually hit the ground.

02:17:33.000 Correct.

02:17:35.000 And then when they actually shot the thing, the only thing that we didn't...

02:17:40.000 There was a part where... 0.96

02:17:43.000 I definitely had to like judo flip his ass off onto a pad and we did all that but then like the stunt guys came out and did that shit for real onto frozen fucking concrete in negative 20 degrees and I was like oh yeah y'all can have at that you know but they for real like dude straight up suplexed this motherfucker on the pavement and they had knee pads and elbow pads on everything but you know it had to look real Those are the guys you wonder 0.98

02:18:13.000 how long that career lasts. 0.98

02:18:15.000 That's where I can't wait for robots to get really good at body slams. 1.00

02:18:19.000 You see what they're doing now with the parkour robots and shit? 0.99

02:18:22.000 That's what we need. 0.99

02:18:22.000 Just robots body slamming each other. 0.99

02:18:24.000 Or just get it to where CGI doesn't offend me.

02:18:28.000 You know, like I watched Avatar the other night, again.

02:18:31.000 Remember, you go back and look at all those old Jackie Chan movies, knowing what that guy is putting his body through?

02:18:37.000 Oh my god, for sure.

02:18:38.000 Yeah, no doubt about it.

02:18:39.000 Definitely was slammed into things left and right. 0.98

02:18:42.000 But if you go back and watch Avatar, it's fucking, first of all, it's fucking awesome. 0.99

02:18:46.000 I mean, it's fucking awesome. 0.99

02:18:47.000 It's really good. 0.96

02:18:48.000 But the CGI, it's so obvious that it's not real people.

02:18:51.000 So the guy who invented the software that James Cameron used to make Avatar did the video for the number four song on this film, Michael Arias. 0.97

02:19:04.000 Still a great fucking movie. 0.99

02:19:08.000 The guy was so fucking genius, he couldn't articulate sentences. 1.00

02:19:11.000 It was like the driest meetings I've ever been in, because his brain, there was so much shit going on on levels we could never comprehend. 1.00

02:19:18.000 He was just like, so... 0.99

02:19:20.000 I thought...

02:19:23.000 You're just like...

02:19:25.000 Wow. 0.99

02:19:26.000 But he's making computers and shit. 0.99

02:19:29.000 I can't do that. 0.93

02:19:30.000 That was ten years ago that Avatar came out, too, which is crazy.

02:19:33.000 I didn't know it was that long ago. 0.98

02:19:36.000 Some fucking great scenes in that movie, man. 0.99

02:19:39.000 People got depression after that movie. 0.99

02:19:41.000 They got a thing they called Avatar Depression.

02:19:44.000 Because they wished that they were living in Avatar.

02:19:46.000 They wished that they were on Pandora.

02:19:48.000 They wished they were the Na'vi. 1.00

02:19:50.000 Like living a spiritual life connected to Mother Earth.

02:19:54.000 What would they call her?

02:19:55.000 Iwa.

02:19:56.000 Right?

02:19:56.000 If they only knew they are.

02:19:58.000 Hmm.

02:20:00.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

02:20:01.000 Yeah, but, you know, cell phones and shit. 0.94

02:20:03.000 They really want to be flying around on dragons. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Fucking turtles, man. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Shooting bows and arrows at people. 1.00

02:20:09.000 You know?

02:20:09.000 See, I need to be on Twitter, man.

02:20:11.000 But that's a powerful movie where people actually get depression.

02:20:15.000 From not living in the place where the movie was taking place.

02:20:18.000 Never seen it.

02:20:20.000 You've never seen Avatar?

02:20:21.000 I haven't seen it either.

02:20:22.000 You've never seen The Goonies either, though, so that's not really, you know.

02:20:26.000 How have you never seen The Goonies?

02:20:27.000 I was born in 1992. Yeah, but how have you not gone back?

02:20:31.000 Avatar, that doesn't make any sense, man.

02:20:33.000 That's 2009. Did you get abused as a child?

02:20:36.000 No, I'm just waiting to go on the road so we can watch The Goonies.

02:20:40.000 Dude, you've got to watch Avatar, man.

02:20:42.000 It's a three-hour masterpiece.

02:20:43.000 You might tear up a little bit.

02:20:46.000 Yeah.

02:20:47.000 Now I got something to do on the bus.

02:20:48.000 Dude, it's a dope movie. 0.99

02:20:50.000 James Cameron can direct the fuck out of a movie. 0.69

02:20:53.000 He can do just about anything he wants to do, I think. 0.53

02:20:55.000 Yeah, basically. 0.99

02:20:56.000 If he can't do it, he just invents some shit so he can go do it. 0.96

02:20:59.000 But I forgot how good that movie was. 0.98

02:21:01.000 I haven't seen it in forever.

02:21:02.000 I watched it again. 0.99

02:21:03.000 I was like, fuck, this is a good movie. 1.00

02:21:04.000 It's fun. 0.99

02:21:05.000 People go, oh, it's like an alien version of Pocahontas.

02:21:09.000 Save it. 1.00

02:21:10.000 Save that shit. 1.00

02:21:11.000 Keep it to yourself. 1.00

02:21:12.000 I enjoy it. 1.00

02:21:14.000 It's a trippy fucking movie, man. 0.99

02:21:16.000 It's fun. 0.99

02:21:17.000 But every story is like a version of another story that's always existed.

02:21:20.000 There's classic archetypes that are unavoidable. 1.00

02:21:23.000 Doesn't mean it's not an awesome movie, you fucking pain in the ass. 1.00

02:21:27.000 Goddamn malcontents out there. 1.00

02:21:29.000 There's always somebody. 1.00

02:21:30.000 Avatar is fucking terrible. 0.99

02:21:31.000 You like that movie? 1.00

02:21:32.000 It's terrible. 0.91

02:21:33.000 You have no soul.

02:21:34.000 There's nothing inside you.

02:21:38.000 It's a lot like Roadhouse.

02:21:40.000 Exactly!

02:21:41.000 There's a few.

02:21:42.000 Were you sober when you watched it?

02:21:43.000 Yes.

02:21:44.000 Yes, I was.

02:21:45.000 Right on, brother.

02:21:45.000 How dare you for the insinuation?

02:21:48.000 Well, there's a lot of colors to be like.

02:21:50.000 It's the perfect movie to get in front of.

02:21:52.000 You know what you can't be sober for?

02:21:54.000 Showgirls.

02:21:56.000 Showgirls might be the ultimate bad movie. 1.00

02:21:59.000 Elizabeth Berkley.

02:22:01.000 Remember? 0.97

02:22:03.000 She played a girl trying to make it as a showgirl in Vegas and it's just like cartoonishly ridiculous. 0.99

02:22:09.000 And they have a scene where she's having sex with Kyle. 1.00

02:22:12.000 What the fuck's his name? 1.00

02:22:13.000 What's that dude's name, Jamie? 1.00

02:22:14.000 The guy from Twin Peaks.

02:22:16.000 Jamie. 0.98

02:22:17.000 Anyway, she has the most preposterous sex scene in the history of film. 1.00

02:22:21.000 Where she starts flopping around. 0.99

02:22:22.000 They're having sex in a pool. 0.91

02:22:23.000 And she starts flailing. 0.98

02:22:25.000 Just flailing. 1.00

02:22:26.000 Like you would have to be an asshole to keep fucking her. 1.00

02:22:29.000 A healthy person would be like, this girl is having a psychotic break. 1.00

02:22:33.000 I need to step away, stop thinking about my dick, and help her. 0.99

02:22:37.000 She's my friend. 1.00

02:22:39.000 She's having some sort of a psychotic seizure.

02:22:42.000 She's flailing. 0.92

02:22:44.000 Flopping back and forth and flailing. 0.82

02:22:46.000 If you were dating a girl like that, you'd be like, oh my god, dude, she's so annoying. 1.00

02:22:50.000 Everything she does, she has to throw her body around and flail. 1.00

02:22:53.000 You've never seen that scene?

02:22:55.000 You're about to.

02:22:56.000 We've pulled it up on here before, I think.

02:22:57.000 But Sturgill's never seen it.

02:22:59.000 Oh, okay.

02:23:00.000 What year is this movie?

02:23:02.000 95. Oh, okay.

02:23:04.000 I was thinking...

02:23:04.000 It was right when I first moved to L.A. I was like, so this is how it is out here, huh?

02:23:08.000 I've seen it.

02:23:09.000 I tried to block it out.

02:23:10.000 Dude, I still remember the billboards on Sunset.

02:23:13.000 I was driving down Sunset. 1.00

02:23:15.000 First year living in L.A. And I was like, look at this shit. 1.00

02:23:18.000 What the fuck kind of piece of shit movie is this? 1.00

02:23:21.000 Is this what these people are into? 1.00

02:23:24.000 But it's one of those movies where you watch, like, people forgot how bad it is.

02:23:27.000 It's the cocaine days of films.

02:23:30.000 When they were making these movies, there were obviously someone was on coke.

02:23:34.000 Someone making that movie was on coke.

02:23:36.000 Is there...

02:23:36.000 I'm looking for the video.

02:23:38.000 Oh, I have seen that.

02:23:39.000 Yeah, you see her ta-tas, too.

02:23:42.000 Her ta-tas are hot. 1.00

02:23:44.000 Yeah.

02:23:45.000 I've absolutely seen this scene before.

02:23:47.000 You've never seen it, Sturgeon?

02:23:48.000 It's awful.

02:23:48.000 I've seen it.

02:23:49.000 It's awful?

02:23:50.000 It's awful.

02:23:50.000 But if you get really, really high, it might be good again.

02:23:52.000 That sex scene's not good. 0.98

02:23:53.000 It's a terrible sex scene. 0.97

02:23:54.000 But that's what's good about it, is how terrible it is.

02:23:58.000 The other movie you guys have to see on the road?

02:24:01.000 Grizzly Man.

02:24:02.000 Have you seen that?

02:24:03.000 The documentary?

02:24:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:05.000 Yeah, I've seen that shit. 1.00

02:24:06.000 The greatest unintentional comedy in the history of comedies. 1.00

02:24:10.000 What could go wrong?

02:24:11.000 What was the thing you showed us yesterday?

02:24:13.000 Bear?

02:24:13.000 Is that the 80s movie?

02:24:15.000 The bear eats mushrooms?

02:24:16.000 When he eats the mushrooms?

02:24:17.000 Yeah, it's the bear.

02:24:18.000 I hadn't seen it, but maybe, have you seen that?

02:24:19.000 No, there's a movie about a bear who eats mushrooms?

02:24:22.000 Like Jamie, look up the scene on YouTube.

02:24:24.000 Yeah, it was 88. You gotta look it up.

02:24:26.000 What is this movie about?

02:24:27.000 It's about a...

02:24:29.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99

02:24:30.000 If you get Jamie to say, holy shit, you got to look real. 0.98

02:24:34.000 Oh, these are Amanita Miscarias. 1.00

02:24:37.000 Those are really hard to get high on. 0.99

02:24:38.000 When I was a kid, this was fucking terrifying. 0.99

02:24:40.000 He, like, sees a butterfly or something, and he's tripping balls. 0.99

02:24:44.000 So this is a nature documentary.

02:24:46.000 Well, it looks like a real bear, though, so we're not sure.

02:24:50.000 I mean, I don't think that's what the bear was seeing.

02:24:53.000 Maybe the bear's taking a nap, bro.

02:24:56.000 Oh, this is hilarious.

02:24:58.000 That Amanita muscaria mushroom is a weird mushroom.

02:25:01.000 That's that one that they think is, that's from the John Marco Allegro book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

02:25:07.000 He attributed that to the birth of Christianity.

02:25:09.000 Makes a pretty good outfit, though.

02:25:11.000 Yes, it does.

02:25:12.000 The Santa Claus outfit.

02:25:13.000 Mm-hmm.

02:25:15.000 Or the Pope?

02:25:16.000 Yeah, the Pope, yeah.

02:25:17.000 There's a lot of connections between mushrooms and ancient Christianity. 0.98

02:25:20.000 It's fucking really interesting stuff. 0.99

02:25:22.000 Holy shit, what are we watching? 1.00

02:25:23.000 This is what the bear's seeing. 1.00

02:25:25.000 This is the bear. 0.99

02:25:27.000 Bear's tripping balls. 0.90

02:25:28.000 Bear's tripping balls? 0.96

02:25:28.000 They glued a butterfly to him. 0.96

02:25:30.000 He loves it.

02:25:31.000 Look at that.

02:25:31.000 You know that butterfly's not really there?

02:25:33.000 Oh, it is real.

02:25:36.000 Yeah.

02:25:36.000 Oh, God.

02:25:38.000 Well, you ever see the jaguar tripping out on ayahuasca?

02:25:43.000 Jaguars eat the... 0.81

02:25:45.000 The pork.

02:25:47.000 They're either eating the harmean or they're eating the ayahuasca vine.

02:25:52.000 One of the two.

02:25:53.000 It might just be the harmean.

02:25:54.000 But whatever they're eating is having some sort of a psychedelic effect on them.

02:25:57.000 And the jaguars eat these leaves and then they're just lying on their back. 0.93

02:26:00.000 And their pupils are dilated and they're tripping balls. 0.96

02:26:03.000 Like, obviously tripping balls. 0.98

02:26:04.000 Like, to see a jaguar rolling around on the floor in the middle of the jungle after eating leaves. 0.91

02:26:09.000 It's very strange.

02:26:11.000 You've never seen that?

02:26:11.000 No.

02:26:12.000 Young Jamie, please.

02:26:15.000 I was trying to find out what that movie The Bear was all about.

02:26:18.000 I just found it.

02:26:19.000 It's from 1988. What is it about?

02:26:20.000 I found the whole movie.

02:26:21.000 I don't know.

02:26:22.000 It's about the life of a bear.

02:26:23.000 I don't know.

02:26:24.000 Some kid's movie from France or something.

02:26:26.000 It's a kid's movie.

02:26:28.000 I mean, Alice in Wonderland.

02:26:30.000 Find a jaguar high on DMT to trip.

02:26:34.000 You watch this jaguar eat these leaves.

02:26:36.000 Here it goes.

02:26:39.000 Go full screen, young Jamie.

02:26:42.000 Go full screen.

02:26:44.000 Look at him.

02:26:44.000 He's tripping.

02:26:48.000 So this jaguar, he seeks out these plants, eats them, and then he's just lying there like...

02:27:04.000 The thing about the people who take that ayahuasca, too, is they see jaguars.

02:27:07.000 It's part of the vision.

02:27:09.000 I wonder if what they're doing is connecting to some jaguars that are out there tripping balls, too.

02:27:13.000 Look at them.

02:27:14.000 Really?

02:27:14.000 Yeah, look at them.

02:27:15.000 Yeah, that's a really common vision, that people who take ayahuasca, they see serpents, and they see jaguars.

02:27:24.000 Spirit animals pass home.

02:27:28.000 You ever seen young guns, Miles?

02:27:31.000 Nope.

02:27:32.000 When they go to the spirit world?

02:27:34.000 He says, how come he ain't killing us? 1.00

02:27:37.000 He said, because we're in a spirit world, assholes. 1.00

02:27:39.000 They can't see us. 1.00

02:27:41.000 That was Charlie Sheen's brother.

02:27:43.000 Correct.

02:27:44.000 Emilio.

02:27:44.000 Emilio Estevez.

02:27:45.000 He's the only one who kept the family name, right?

02:27:47.000 Yeah.

02:27:48.000 Their real name was Estevez.

02:27:49.000 But Emilio took a chance.

02:27:51.000 He's like, I'm going to go with this whole Latino angle. 0.78

02:27:53.000 My first name's Emilio.

02:27:56.000 Tino Wagle.

02:27:57.000 Right?

02:27:57.000 Because Charlie Estevez is like, eh.

02:28:01.000 He'd been compromised.

02:28:01.000 He made his own name.

02:28:03.000 Yeah, there it is. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Bunch of handsome bastards. 1.00

02:28:08.000 Kiefer Sutherland. 1.00

02:28:10.000 Everybody, look at them all.

02:28:11.000 Lou Diamond Phillips in the house.

02:28:13.000 Who's that other guy in the back?

02:28:13.000 I don't know.

02:28:14.000 That guy. 0.99

02:28:15.000 He had a shitty agent. 0.99

02:28:17.000 Oh, Dermot Morrini. 0.98

02:28:19.000 Dermot?

02:28:20.000 Dermot and Will Rooney.

02:28:21.000 Yeah, he was in a bunch of those movies.

02:28:22.000 But the other guy, who's the guy?

02:28:24.000 The Casey guy.

02:28:24.000 Casey Slamasco.

02:28:25.000 Oh, hey Case.

02:28:27.000 Shout out to Casey. 1.00

02:28:30.000 So, let's wrap this bitch up. 1.00

02:28:31.000 I think we're way too high to be making any sense to people. 0.99

02:28:34.000 Oh, man.

02:28:35.000 I have a question for you, though.

02:28:37.000 Please.

02:28:38.000 Do you know who Butcher Brown is?

02:28:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:42.000 We've got to have this conversation.

02:28:43.000 Who's Butcher Brown?

02:28:44.000 I think his first name is John.

02:28:45.000 He's a doctor that did a bunch of, like, unlicensed sex change surgeries in, like, garages, motels.

02:28:54.000 Whoa.

02:28:54.000 He's on Murderpedia, if Jamie wants to look at it.

02:28:57.000 Butcher Brown.

02:28:58.000 Wow.

02:29:00.000 So he did unlicensed sex change operations and people died from it?

02:29:04.000 Yeah.

02:29:05.000 While eating hot dogs.

02:29:06.000 While eating raw hot dogs, drinking coffee.

02:29:09.000 Raw hot dogs. 0.98

02:29:10.000 So he's eating hot dogs and cutting off dicks. 0.99

02:29:13.000 Nothing weird there. 1.00

02:29:15.000 Yeah, keep going, bro. 0.99

02:29:18.000 That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. 1.00

02:29:20.000 He was eating raw hot dogs and cutting off dicks. 1.00

02:29:23.000 That's what he does. 1.00

02:29:25.000 Ooh! 0.96

02:29:27.000 Man.

02:29:28.000 While drinking Dr. Pepper.

02:29:30.000 And how many people did he...

02:29:32.000 I think it was almost...

02:29:34.000 I mean, it was hundreds.

02:29:35.000 What?

02:29:35.000 There's a detailed, descriptive article that's...

02:29:39.000 Did it work on anybody?

02:29:39.000 Did everybody die?

02:29:41.000 You've got to read it.

02:29:42.000 Watch Head and read that.

02:29:44.000 Oh, no.

02:29:46.000 Why did you...

02:29:47.000 Out of all the things to curse me with...

02:29:50.000 I was thinking about it, but he's known as America's worst doctor.

02:29:55.000 Well, ever?

02:29:56.000 I think ever.

02:29:57.000 Once you read it.

02:29:58.000 You have to look that up to see if that's actually crazy glue.

02:30:02.000 You see the guy's picture and you're like, yep.

02:30:06.000 Let me see his picture, Jamie.

02:30:08.000 He injects silicone wherever you want it for like 200 bucks.

02:30:12.000 Just like caulk?

02:30:14.000 Yeah, plug it up with crazy glue and tell you to lay down flat for two days.

02:30:17.000 Oh my god.

02:30:19.000 But he had a lot of business.

02:30:21.000 I'm not sure I found him yet.

02:30:21.000 Did it work on anybody?

02:30:22.000 Imagine if he made one bomb ass. 1.00

02:30:24.000 Like, look at that. 1.00

02:30:25.000 Great job.

02:30:26.000 He came out great once.

02:30:28.000 And he's like, I'm just chasing that dragon.

02:30:30.000 Every time.

02:30:31.000 One time I nailed it. 1.00

02:30:32.000 I put the right amount of cock in this lady's ass cheeks. 1.00

02:30:35.000 Dude, it helped. 1.00

02:30:37.000 It made it look better.

02:30:38.000 Most of the time it looks like a disaster.

02:30:41.000 You found him?

02:30:42.000 Let's see what Butcher Bob looks like.

02:30:44.000 I don't like to judge people based on appearances.

02:30:46.000 There he is.

02:30:47.000 But...

02:30:47.000 Jesus.

02:30:48.000 Oh my god.

02:30:49.000 Look at the frown on his face.

02:30:51.000 He's like a caricature.

02:30:52.000 That's a smile.

02:30:53.000 I would not assume that guy's friendly.

02:30:56.000 Homicide.

02:30:57.000 Self-appointed sex change specialist practicing medicine without a license.

02:31:01.000 Oh, he didn't even have a license. 1.00

02:31:03.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:31:05.000 They should make a movie about this guy and let Bryan Cranston play. 0.99

02:31:07.000 Sentenced to 15 years to life, died in prison in 2010. The funny thing is, you read in here that there's another guy that's his competition.

02:31:18.000 That's the second worst doctor, or debatable.

02:31:23.000 But was this guy a real doctor?

02:31:25.000 No, he said self-appointed.

02:31:27.000 I thought he had some sort of a military thyroid surgery thing.

02:31:34.000 Self-appointed sex change specialist carried out hundreds of operations.

02:31:38.000 Don't do that, folks.

02:31:40.000 Renegade doctor.

02:31:42.000 His place was called the...

02:31:43.000 What was it called?

02:31:44.000 The Room of Dreams?

02:31:46.000 Born into a strict Mormon family.

02:31:47.000 Brown was a gifted child. 0.99

02:31:49.000 Oh boy, how many fucking disasters start out with that sentence? 0.99

02:31:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:31:52.000 Born into a strict Mormon family, Brown was a gifted child.

02:31:58.000 That's the open parts of a novel that goes terribly wrong. 0.95

02:32:02.000 He had a miniaturization technique for clitorises. 1.00

02:32:06.000 He took the patient's penis and turned it into a clitoris, apparently guaranteeing his client's full sexual pleasure. 0.98

02:32:14.000 He presented his work at the 1973 Medical Conference, where his technique earned him the respect of some of the world's most famous surgeons. 0.99

02:32:22.000 Without surgical qualifications, Brown had to perform his operations in the most unlikely and inappropriate locations.

02:32:29.000 One early patient remembers going to his office assuming he would do a checkup but awoke from the anesthetic to discover that he had operated in the office.

02:32:38.000 He turned his garage into an operating theater.

02:32:42.000 And the more operations he did, the further his standards slipped.

02:32:47.000 Oh no!

02:32:49.000 Oh my god.

02:32:51.000 Read this next paragraph.

02:32:52.000 Despite the concerns of his peers, many of Brown's patients appeared to be happy.

02:32:58.000 That's like if you bought a really small book, it would end right there.

02:33:03.000 One of his early patients, Elizabeth, had been delighted with her surgery.

02:33:07.000 But a year later, things started to go wrong. 0.98

02:33:09.000 Her vagina started to tighten and close up. 1.00

02:33:13.000 That's a Hemingway sentence. 1.00

02:33:15.000 You wanted it tight.

02:33:17.000 Brown was abandoning his patients and leaving them to other surgeons like Dr. Jack Fisher to pick up the pieces.

02:33:22.000 He says, It's hard to imagine anyone worse than John Brown.

02:33:27.000 He didn't care much for evaluating his patients before surgery or for post-operative care.

02:33:32.000 He was totally focused on the technical procedure itself, and he didn't do that very well.

02:33:38.000 Jesus Christ, man. 0.99

02:33:40.000 Putting some good shit out in the world. 0.99

02:33:41.000 Why have you done this to us? 0.99

02:33:43.000 That's a black comedy right there.

02:33:44.000 You gotta do head, this, and then watch Chuck and Buck.

02:33:47.000 Chuck and Buck?

02:33:48.000 What are you doing to me, man?

02:33:49.000 What is Chuck and Buck and why do I not want to look? 1.00

02:33:53.000 What the fuck are you doing to me, man? 0.99

02:33:55.000 Do you want to play a game, Joe? 1.00

02:33:56.000 No!

02:33:57.000 Hey, Jamie, look up, you want to play a game?

02:33:59.000 What's Chuck and Buck? 0.99

02:34:02.000 It's the most awkward fucking film ever made. 0.99

02:34:04.000 Wait a minute. 1.00

02:34:05.000 More awkward than that.

02:34:06.000 What was that one with the dude that made The Room?

02:34:09.000 Where they made a movie.

02:34:12.000 What's his face? 1.00

02:34:14.000 The fucking handsome guy. 1.00

02:34:15.000 James Franco made a movie about the movie being made. 1.00

02:34:20.000 Remember The Room?

02:34:21.000 Do you guys know that movie, The Room?

02:34:24.000 Where he played the...

02:34:24.000 You know what it is?

02:34:25.000 James Franco actually made a whole movie.

02:34:28.000 The movie's so insane, James Franco made a movie about the making of the movie, about how insane it was.

02:34:35.000 A guy was like this dude who's like an actor and things weren't going so well, so he put together enough money to make his own movie, but it was terrible.

02:34:42.000 And in every scene, he was like making out with girls.

02:34:45.000 Yeah.

02:34:45.000 Tommy Wisnow.

02:34:46.000 Never saw it, but I haven't read about it.

02:34:48.000 It's hard to watch.

02:34:50.000 It's one of those movies that's so bad, you think you're going to get schizophrenia from watching it.

02:34:55.000 It's distorting reality in a way that's not compatible with your senses.

02:35:01.000 It's confusing.

02:35:03.000 You watch scenes in the film, that's the movie called The Room, and he bought billboards around town.

02:35:07.000 When I first moved to LA, there was a billboard around town for The Room for a long time.

02:35:12.000 Where do you get the money?

02:35:15.000 Somewhere terrible. 1.00

02:35:16.000 That shit's not cheap. 1.00

02:35:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:35:18.000 I think that movie was.

02:35:19.000 Oh boy.

02:35:20.000 Are we watching Chuck and Buck?

02:35:22.000 It's just a trailer in case there's anything worth mentioning.

02:35:26.000 This is the Chuck and Buck trailer?

02:35:27.000 What is Chuck and Buck about?

02:35:29.000 I think the scene...

02:35:31.000 Is there a scene called Let's Play a Game?

02:35:34.000 So what is Chuck doing here?

02:35:35.000 He's messing with some dials and he's laying back and this guy's packing up his gear and he's getting in his car.

02:35:42.000 He's getting out of town, man. 0.99

02:35:43.000 What the fuck is this movie about, man? 0.99

02:35:44.000 I feel You'll have to find out. 0.99

02:35:47.000 What am I going to get it from watching?

02:35:48.000 Is that Ashton Kutcher?

02:35:50.000 No. 0.99

02:35:50.000 Who's that guy, that handsome bastard? 0.99

02:35:52.000 What year is this? 0.98

02:35:53.000 2000. That might be Ashton Kutcher, bro.

02:35:56.000 That is Jack Black's roommate from School of Rock.

02:35:59.000 Oh, that guy right there? 0.98

02:36:01.000 So if we can't listen to this, I have no fucking idea what's going on. 0.94

02:36:04.000 There's no way we can listen to this. 0.96

02:36:05.000 So I'm going to have to do this offline.

02:36:07.000 You're going to have to just, like I said, go home, kids are asleep, spoke blunt, watch our anime film, and then right after that, watch Chuck and Buck.

02:36:16.000 Yeah, I'm going to definitely watch your anime film first.

02:36:20.000 Chuck and Buck would be a good chaser.

02:36:21.000 I don't know if Chuck and Buck is next.

02:36:22.000 I think I've got to go with Head next.

02:36:24.000 You might actually want to end on Sound and Fury to end on something positive and cool and good.

02:36:29.000 Yeah, but I might be wrecked.

02:36:31.000 Yeah, you might just want to go to sleep.

02:36:33.000 The amoeba, what's in your bag, Joe Rogan?

02:36:36.000 Chuck and Buck?

02:36:36.000 Head?

02:36:38.000 Dr. Richard Brown?

02:36:38.000 Yeah, that's a good description right there.

02:36:40.000 An oddly naive man-child stalks his childhood best friend and tries to reconnect with their past.

02:36:46.000 Jesus.

02:36:48.000 Alright.

02:36:49.000 Gentlemen, thank you for last night. 0.93

02:36:51.000 It was fucking awesome. 0.71

02:36:52.000 Thanks for being here today. 0.82

02:36:53.000 The album, it's out.

02:36:55.000 Sturgill, tell these people what it is, where to get it.

02:36:57.000 Sound and Fury. 0.99

02:36:59.000 I don't know where the fuck you would go buy that. 0.99

02:37:01.000 Probably at a record store. 0.99

02:37:02.000 iTunes.

02:37:03.000 Record store.

02:37:04.000 Or you can steal it on Spotify and just come to the show.

02:37:06.000 Your call.

02:37:07.000 Ooh.

02:37:08.000 Open invitation. 1.00

02:37:10.000 Specialforcesfoundation.org Get that shit. 1.00

02:37:15.000 Get that shit. 1.00

02:37:16.000 Alright, thank you gentlemen. 0.99

02:37:17.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:37:17.000 Appreciate it.

02:37:18.000 Fun times.

02:37:19.000 Thank you.

02:37:19.000 My pleasure.

02:37:20.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 30, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1356 - Sturgill Simpson & His Band

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