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00:00:18.000So I think what we're, you know, it's basically we can see where we're going at the moment.
00:00:22.000There's more and more natural disasters coming faster and faster.
00:00:25.000Some of that may be because of the fact that we're going through a whole solar system-wide transition, as scientists like Dmitryov from Russia talks about, and this guy Dieter Bros.
00:00:33.000Some of it may be because the level of human consciousness is more meshed with the natural state of the planet than we actually can comprehend quite yet, which is what most of the indigenous people believe.
00:00:45.000I've been visiting, like, we've been doing retreats down to Columbia to work with the Kogi Indians, and they walk, like, 25 hours down from the mountains to hang out with us.
00:00:52.000And that's basically the message that they've been giving us from their, you know, Understanding of the nature of reality, you know, it's somehow the level of human spiritual development and how much we are in a reciprocal relationship to our local world, you know, has an effect on what type of catastrophes do or don't occur.
00:01:16.000So when the earth is sick, it's because we're sick and we're all sick along with it.
00:01:23.000So as tsunamis and hurricanes and earthquakes and ultimately shifts to the polar ice caps and shit like that and super volcanoes and Yellowstone that are ready to blow and kill half the shit on the continent, that that is all in correspondence with the sickness of this species of us?
00:01:45.000But listen, man, if we look at the ideas of quantum physics that even observing something with certain intentions can actually change the outcome of particles, you know, when they do those tests, those slot tests, and they show that observing an experiment actually has an effect on the result of the experiment.
00:02:02.000Or you could say there's no such thing as just being an impartial observer.
00:02:06.000You're always participating in the outcome.
00:02:52.000It's really cruel to think that you're cooler than these fucking poor people that live in some place where the sky becomes an angry monster.
00:02:59.000But it is kind of weird that they only land in fucked up places.
00:03:04.000You don't ever want to blame people for that, but wow.
00:03:07.000Obviously we know that's not true because there's geographic centers in this country where they're certainly attracted to.
00:03:13.000But the idea that more of them come because people are more fucked up and they're accelerating because our society is deteriorating, that's a terrifying thought that we're responsible for that.
00:03:28.000That we're responsible for just having any influence on it.
00:03:31.000Not that we created, but that we even have any bearing on natural disasters.
00:03:36.000As I discussed in the 2012 book, the Hopi, for instance, who live in Arizona, tribes like that may have actually chosen to live in very difficult environments where survival is really on a knife edge because it forced them to be able to do things like rain dances.
00:03:51.000So they did it on purpose, or Is that it or is it the result of them living in this difficult environment that they develop more character?
00:04:01.000Well, it's quite possible because they had a large choice earlier on of where they were going to leave.
00:04:05.000And it's possible they actually chose to leave and live in very difficult environments because it forced them to develop their initiatory and psychic capacities.
00:04:12.000The only reason why I'd question that is because back then, resources were so scarce and you were on foot, essentially.
00:04:17.000So if you were on foot, how much fucking ground can you cover and how much do you know about other lands?
00:04:22.000You know, how much do you know about if you move five hours south, it doesn't get that cold?
00:04:30.000First of all, I think that they did know.
00:04:31.000I mean, for instance, we now understand that there was like a sign language.
00:04:34.000Even Native people who didn't speak the same, you know, language could actually communicate a very highly developed sign language that was all across the continent.
00:04:41.000And second of all, what they've discovered is that a lot of Native cultures were actually more like cultures of abundance than cultures of scarcity.
00:04:47.000That actually the amount of work that they had to do today, you know, compared to what we have to do, you know, an average day was a lot less.
00:04:53.000Well, But that doesn't match up with your idea of them moving to a very difficult environment to stay alive.
00:04:58.000Well, I'm talking about the Hopi in particular.
00:05:00.000Let's say they were like the Tibetan Buddhists of the native people.
00:06:07.000Anyway, amazing fucking movie, but one of the scariest parts of it is one of these rites of passage that he has in order to become one with their tribe.
00:06:57.000What you're saying for me is a big distinction.
00:06:59.000For those cultures, initiation was actually about going through some process through which you would master non-ordinary states of consciousness.
00:07:45.000Yeah, I mean, obviously peyote, mushrooms, and these are all native, you know, ayahuasca and so on.
00:07:50.000But then also things like fasting, you know, and being, you know, not eating for five nights while you're just sitting on a mountaintop or something.
00:08:07.000Those will bring on visionary experiences and force you to discipline your mind to be able to withstand ingressions from the astral realms and so on.
00:08:20.000What do you say to people that say that doing something along the lines of fasting where it's actually possibly dangerous to your body and that's what's causing you to have these experiences is really kind of a silly thing to do in this day and age where you could choose other paths to the same sort of results without damaging your body and shutting things down.
00:08:35.000I don't know enough about nutrition to tell you whether or not it's healthy, but I've read a lot of people that start talking about fasting for days and days and days.
00:08:41.000They say it puts strain on your kidneys.
00:09:24.000Pan and Teller's bullshit makes some excellent points, but they also make some silly ones because they want to find the conclusion that everything is bullshit.
00:09:56.000I've gotten to body tingling moments, especially if you take a real good class, like hot yoga where you go real deep into poses and you really hold them.
00:10:05.000Anybody that dismisses that as just stretching, you're either not giving me the full information that you have access to or you did a really sloppy job of investigating it.
00:10:16.000You know, you can't just say these fucking Indian masters that have been doing this shit for thousands of years are just stretching.
00:10:22.000And that's why they have these very specific poses that they believe activate very specific regions and hemispheres of the chakras of the body.
00:10:34.000I mean, that's what's so kind of interesting and cool about what's happening right now and how things are so, you know, complex.
00:10:41.000I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, I was looking at a book by this guy, Dean Radin, who studies psychic phenomena as a scientist at Institute of Noetic Sciences, and we interviewed him for a film, wrote a book called The Self-Aware Universe, and he analyzes a whole, you know, century's worth Of data and psychic experience.
00:10:57.000Statistically, he even looks at reports from the U.S. Army and the government, which support the existence of psychic phenomena of non-local communication, mind to mind, which means that consciousness is not simply brain-based.
00:11:11.000But I've also read recently this book by Richard Wiseman called Paranormality, who believes there's no psychic phenomena, busts every evidence for it, and in his own way is quite convincing.
00:11:23.000So for me, it makes it a very interesting time where you can approach...
00:11:30.000Anything and analytically rip it apart and find the weak spots.
00:11:35.000But maybe what's missing from Penn& Teller and Richard Wiseman's understanding is the sense that intention is somehow a fundamental aspect of the universe.
00:11:46.000So if your intention is to take something apart, desecrate it, ignore it, and so on, you can do all of that for sure.
00:11:54.000But within there, you've kind of missed a subtle key that actually makes a life worth having in a way.
00:12:03.000Well, intention is aware, and you can be aware of it in a very tangible form in the art of stand-up comedy.
00:12:10.000You cannot be thinking about something different, say something else, and have the people react to it.
00:12:19.000You could have the joke worded correctly.
00:12:21.000You could say it with the right intonation.
00:12:24.000But if your mind isn't into it, they can smell it.
00:12:28.000It's the weirdest fucking thing in the world.
00:12:31.000A connection that you have with an audience, it could be an audience of 200 or it could be an audience of 1,000 if you've reached that full connection.
00:12:40.000There is some sort of a relationship that you had with these people.
00:12:43.000And if somehow or another something hits you, you remember something or something bothers you or you think about an argument that you got in with your girlfriend or a bill you forgot to pay or any distraction that makes you feel in a negative way, even if you're saying the words the same way, the audience will feel it.
00:13:01.000They will feel it and they will back off you.
00:13:34.000And when I'm on stage, when I'm completely locked in...
00:13:37.000I am as much a passenger as I am the person who steers it.
00:13:41.000And as long as that works, as long as I'm in that groove and the audience is in that groove, the whole thing will go seamlessly.
00:13:48.000But one little hiccup, one little bad thought, one little error, one little stress point, and everybody hops off the ride and waits and looks at you.
00:13:58.000And goes, you gonna get this thing going again?
00:15:16.000They used to have them all the time in Boston at the...
00:15:19.000There's a place called the Comedy Connection, and every week they had this guy, Frank Santos, who would do a hypnotist comedy show that seemed like bullshit until you saw it a few times.
00:15:30.000And when you saw it a few times, you would realize, oh, my God, these people are really fucking under.
00:15:46.000I tend to look at most of our politicians and news anchors as kind of Illuminati sorcerers who use transignosis to keep people in a lowered state of consciousness, a lowered state of suggestibility.
00:16:22.000And every time I fucking walk in there I'm just like, damn, I'm fucking totally just eyeing this guy more than I normally would eye somebody.
00:18:50.000Yeah, if you could, instead of working at something, if you could just correct something about your behavior, the way you think about things, or the way you look at the world, or anything, what would it be?
00:19:25.000Did the baby have some negative thoughts?
00:19:28.000And then I think about it and I think about all the positive things that have happened in my life and all the positive things that I know have manifested themselves through a certain type of thinking, a certain ethic, a certain way of looking at the world and I wonder if it is either or or if it's a combination of things.
00:23:15.000How are you going to verify this type of thing?
00:23:17.000When I've collected a whole number of anecdotes told to me by people and observing their state, their efforts to kind of understand it, to fathom it.
00:23:28.000My own experiences also have had similar.
00:23:31.000I think that there's no doubt that probably You know, psychic energy collects in physical environments, and when people are no longer there, if they have a stake in that environment and they're not finished with their business in the world, they hang out, you know, or some piece of them.
00:23:46.000That the energy of regret and resentment or something, some sort of a bad energy, is enough to keep a residue of...
00:23:53.000When my father died, he had a loft that was full of his paintings and his sculptures.
00:24:25.000Like the phone call that you didn't have to make today to me, there are certain things when you feel the synchronicity, it's like a click.
00:24:33.000It's like you have an intuitive acceptance that you're being shown a little bit of the fabric of space-time making a little bit of a ripple or something.
00:24:44.000I was in the green room, seriously, with like eight people, nine people.
00:24:49.000The comedy store, if you didn't know, just FYI, was Ciro's nightclub, and it was Bugsy Siegel's hangout in Hollywood, and a lot of people allegedly were murdered there.
00:24:59.000And every single person who has been there for more than X amount of years has some sort of a ghost story.
00:25:07.000Every one of the waitresses has something.
00:25:14.000And I was sitting there with like eight other people.
00:25:17.000We're just smoking weed, hanging out talking, and suddenly the door sounded like somebody shot a gun through.
00:25:23.000It didn't sound like somebody just shook it or kicked it.
00:25:26.000It seemed way more powerful than that to the fact that I think everybody in the room kind of got down and was like, what the fuck was that?
00:25:32.000And we all kind of got down on the couches and on the ground as if we all thought for sure that was a gunshot.
00:26:07.000I'm sorry, my grandparents lived in a supposedly haunted house, and I stayed there with them in Newark, New Jersey.
00:26:14.000And it was on North 9th Street, and there was a guy who actually died in the house.
00:26:17.000And he was a guy who was renting a room there, and he died.
00:26:20.000And they always thought that this house was haunted, because the house is always making noises.
00:26:26.000But it's a fucking house that was built in, like, 1909. You know, it's an old fucking house.
00:26:32.000And when you're dealing in a place like New Jersey that's moist all the time and it rains all the time, and then it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter, wood is like, you know, it's an organic piece of, you know, construction.
00:26:46.000It constricts, it expands, depending on the moisture in the air, depending on it being cold or hot.
00:26:52.000And old houses like that, they make a lot of fucking noise.
00:27:03.000But I'm not completely averse to the idea of ghosts, but a lot of people that talk about ghosts are full of shit.
00:27:09.000Well, I just think if there is ghosts, there would be an easy way to prove it, and we've talked about it before.
00:27:13.000You just go to somebody that's wife's died in a rape, and you go to his grave, or her grave, and just start humping her grave or something like that.
00:27:42.000It's some sort of a thing that moves and pulsates in the sky.
00:27:45.000Maybe that's what a ghost is, a very minor version of that.
00:27:49.000It doesn't have a rhyme or reason for when it exists or doesn't exist.
00:27:53.000I think it probably does have a rhyme and reason.
00:27:56.000It's just we don't understand those laws yet.
00:27:59.000It's not to say that it violates nature.
00:28:02.000It's just that our understanding of natural law is limited by our mental conception, by the type of science that we've constructed and so on.
00:28:26.000Well, that doesn't mean that they're not real, because if you think about what a ghost is, if a ghost is something that's not in this dimension and sort of flits in and out of it, how do you measure that?
00:28:35.000I mean, science is, you know, everybody says, well, science says there are no ghosts, or there's no scientific evidence of ghosts.
00:28:42.000Well, science was not really designed to measure shit like ghosts.
00:28:46.000Science is designed to measure, like, how much does lead weigh?
00:28:49.000You know, what happens when a star goes supernova?
00:28:53.000When you get something like a ghost, if a ghost was real, and it's an incredibly rare phenomenon that depended on some really exotic conditions...
00:29:03.000How the fuck are you going to measure that?
00:29:04.000I'm giving the offer, if there's any ghosts listening, they can fucking rape me tonight, and they can just rape my ass all day long with their ghost dicks, and if it happens, I'll let you know.
00:29:23.000There's a book, what's his name, Ian Stevens, who's a professor at the University of Virginia, wrote a 2,500-page book called Where Biology and Reincarnation Intersects.
00:29:31.000And he found all around the world there were children who had spontaneous recall of past lives, and often very specific.
00:29:40.000Like in India, they would be like, well, you know, I lived in this town, my wife had this name, I had two kids.
00:29:45.000So in a number of cases, he found these kids, and he went back to the towns that they talked about, and they found this family and established that there had been this connection.
00:30:01.000And sometimes the kids would even have a pronounced birthmark, like a birthmark on the neck or something, and it would turn out that the previous incarnation, perhaps, had died of a wound to the neck in a fight or something like that.
00:30:14.000Is it possible that the connection is an abstract one, that they haven't met it yet, but that yet there's not a balanced value to learned experiences that are transferred through genetics, like instincts?
00:30:27.000And that perhaps some instincts that we have are really like, things go wrong, you learn from them, that's why you're afraid of cats.
00:30:34.000I mean, kids are afraid of monsters that live in New York City.
00:30:36.000Well, it's like a seven-year-old kid suddenly out of nowhere saying, you know, I have a wife in Agra.
00:30:44.000I mean, isn't it possible that somehow or another that there is a memory that through whatever mutation or whatever extreme condition or weird circumstance as far as like physical biology becomes a more potent one and that this, as it is transferred through generations, awakens.
00:31:04.000This experience that someone who shared these genetics so many generations ago actually did have that all of a sudden For whatever strange reason.
00:31:13.000I don't think there's any idea that genetic material could hold memory like that.
00:31:19.000What about the idea that even racism can be transferred genetically?
00:31:22.000I mean, that's a really kind of a widely considered idea.
00:31:25.000Almost unprovable, but considered by mainstream scientists.
00:31:28.000I think that a lot of those ideas about all these things being inherited by the genetics being this kind of master molecule are actually being kind of challenged right now by the emerging biology of epigenetics.
00:31:38.000Which is recognizing that awareness actually begins at the boundary of the cell where chemical signals are exchanged.
00:31:46.000There's a kind of cognitive process that happens even at the permeable boundary of the cell, as some signals are allowed in and some are ignored or rejected.
00:31:54.000And that what's allowed in actually then influences how the genetic material expresses itself and reproduces itself.
00:32:03.000Actually, it's not so much the genetic material as the master molecule.
00:32:06.000It's more as if the whole cell is a unit of cognition or awareness.
00:32:10.000This is very much thinking of people like Varela.
00:32:15.000Okay, but they haven't done a detailed accounting here.
00:32:18.000I mean, this is, you know, you look at the biologist Bruce Lipton, he has a book called Biology Beyond Belief, really looking at how, you know, consciousness and awareness begin even at a cellular level, and how that in itself influences and inflects how the genetic material expresses itself, that the genes are not master molecules.
00:32:38.000The whole idea of it is so fascinating.
00:32:54.000In our material, the material that makes human beings, there's certain things that you show people.
00:32:59.000And children, when they're really young, have certain fears and notions of the boogeyman and the monster that lives in the woods and the things in the dark.
00:33:07.000And a lot of these are imprinted from being killed by jaguars, from some proto-hominid that lived 5 million years ago.
00:33:24.000You ever get into like Rupert Sheldrake's ideas around like morphogenic fields?
00:33:27.000Yeah, about dogs knowing when their parents are coming home.
00:33:31.000So maybe there was this species encounter that was like a near-death encounter for humanity and it left this morphogenic field of fear and terror around the snake or around the jaguar or something like that.
00:33:42.000Well, we are certainly moving, if I had to guess, into some sort of a state where that becomes more and more aware.
00:33:52.000The state of this interconnectedness, this morphogenetic field, this idea that...
00:33:58.000We are living in some sort of a complex meshwork of biological life and natural laws and physics and space and radiation and all of it together combined.
00:34:11.000People are realizing it now way more than ever before.
00:34:15.000When I was a kid, there was none of this talk.
00:34:20.000And maybe that is pointing towards a kind of next phase of evolution as a species.
00:34:27.000Do you think it's technology that's going to do that?
00:34:29.000Well, I think we have to look at technology itself as an aspect of the evolution of consciousness.
00:34:34.000You know, that actually, like, we're tool-using and tool-making species.
00:34:38.000We make a new tool, then we look at the tool or the instrument we've made, and it reflects us back at ourselves.
00:34:44.000And then it gives us new metaphors for understanding ourselves.
00:34:46.000Then it allows us to make another more, you know, advanced tool, and that creates a whole new set of metaphors.
00:34:51.000So now we've gotten to the point in our tool creation and tool-using where this feedback loop is happening faster and faster.
00:34:58.000So we're having, but it's still, you know, a tool is a projection of our consciousness, of our thought into the material realm, which then gives us information about ourselves, which then leads us to create another tool, which also advances and evolves our consciousness in that process.
00:35:13.000Do you ever get to the point where you get upset that you have a connection with these items, these technological items like phones, or do you not regret it ever?
00:35:22.000Or do you just accept it and enjoy it?
00:35:50.000You know, suddenly you can see the stars, you know, you're at night, you like light a fire, then the fire goes out, you go to sleep, you wake up at dawn.
00:35:57.000I mean, you know, I think that actually we may find that we've gone way too far on this technological path, that we thought, you know, we've had a kind of, in a sense, the religious belief of modern society is linear technological progress, leading to some kind of singularity or transformation.
00:36:15.000That we may actually back up from that and be like, well, wait a second, where is this stuff...
00:36:19.000I mean, actually, I have more plastics in my tissues.
00:36:23.000You know, my eyes are going bad from looking at these tiny screens.
00:36:26.000You know, why is life constantly mediated by glowing rectangular screens anyway?
00:36:30.000That actually we might want to, you know, retract from this technological path and develop in a different direction, which doesn't mean rejecting technology.
00:36:39.000It's more about mastering our projections rather than feeling that we always have to get enmeshed in them and then move in that direction.
00:36:46.000Is it sort of like riding a bike too fast and you're going downhill and you go, oh, fuck, it's good to ride this bike, but I've gotten kind of away from my own biological control of this situation?
00:36:57.000Well, that's certainly what's happened to us as a species.
00:37:00.000I mean, you know, on every level we've been seduced by our technological projections.
00:37:04.000In a sense, we've lost our grounding on the planet.
00:37:07.000Do you ever consider the idea that when some sort of a weird symbiotic relationship where it's our job as the host to create this environment where the parasite, which is technology, this new life form that we've created to exist and then ultimately discard us because it is the next stage of not organic life but of consciousness and that consciousness, the next stage of consciousness will be artificial consciousness created by this, this consciousness that was created by biological life.
00:37:35.000And that we are only here to usher in the next stage.
00:37:38.000And that next stage is an electronic form.
00:37:40.000A stage that doesn't have emotions or nonsense or any of this shit that ferments us.
00:38:12.000I mean, if we are a step along the way, who's to say that that step eventually...
00:38:18.000It continues along a biological train.
00:38:21.000Maybe it really is truly our destiny to create some sort of an artificial life that's not burdened down by our monkey DNA and all the instincts that we needed to evolve to this point with the curiosity that would allow us to make something as crazy as artificial intelligence and computers.
00:38:37.000Maybe we're the carriers of the disease that eventually takes off and develops on its own.
00:38:41.000I guess part of what I would suggest to you is that part of our opportunity right now is to become co-creative with the evolutionary process, and that in a way means that we have to step into a much more responsible and mature role where we actually become participants.
00:38:56.000And in a way, we still kind of enjoy The spectacle of our own alienation and our own potential destruction.
00:39:04.000So we kind of enjoy elaborating these futuristic mythologies of how our technology is going to overwhelm us or devour us.
00:39:13.000That might be the case, but all we really know at this point is that we have will, we have intelligence, we have consciousness, and we're not using it very well.
00:39:22.000So the first thing I would think that we would want to try to do is use it very, very effectively to see what type of better situation we can rapidly create, you know, rather than fobbing off our responsibility onto, oh, there's going to be this technological thing,
00:39:37.000or it's too late, we fucked We're good to go.
00:39:59.000Well, I do agree that as a person who's a big proponent of team people, I definitely advocate the idea of us figuring out what the fuck we are doing and making it better for all of us and our relationship with the planet.
00:40:11.000But to me, that doesn't seem like you're fobbing that off, considering the possibility that we are merely here, as many other parasites and hosts are in this world.
00:40:20.000And you look at grasshoppers where they're infected by aquatic worms and the aquatic worms trick the grasshopper into jumping into water and the grasshopper drowns so that the worm can be born out of its body.
00:40:33.000I personally think that we actually are infected by a parasitical agency.
00:40:38.000And I would say that agency is something like the dominator empire complex.
00:40:42.000The sense that we have of separation from nature, the sense that we have the right to annihilate ecosystems, dominate ecosystems, control other people, the whole trip of empire, the slavery.
00:40:55.000I mean, there's still tons of slavery around the world, domination of women.
00:40:59.000That's the parasite that's eating us alive right now.
00:41:01.000And that's where, if we can go through our inner initiatory process, We can begin to find the antidote or the cure to that.
00:41:11.000But it's not about, from my perspective, giving it up to technology as an amazing thing.
00:41:18.000It's more like reclaiming our human capacity.
00:41:21.000And for me, that's really where the knowledge of the indigenous people is not folk tale.
00:41:29.000It's actually something that those of us who care about seeking to move into an evolutionary framework, they have tools and gifts for us.
00:41:41.000And that's why part of what I've been trying to do over the last couple, well, a lot of my work, but now in a different way, is build bridges to the indigenous people and their knowledge systems.
00:41:51.000So I'm working now with the Kogi in Colombia and also the Sequoia from Ecuador.
00:41:56.000What I meant by that was not that it has to be.
00:42:01.000It's almost like when I look at the relationship that we have with technology and I look at the relationship that different parasites and different hosts have, it just...
00:42:13.000As a consideration, you have to think about the fact that our society is completely obsessed with pushing innovation.
00:42:21.000And I often look at the dominator culture, what you describe, and I say, well, you know, you're right.
00:42:25.000I mean, that is a huge fucking problem.
00:42:27.000I mean, war and the domination of other countries and battling for resources.
00:42:31.000But what do you say to people that say that there's no way you can have a society that reaches this particular height this fast without that as a byproduct and that, in fact, the reason why people push so hard to innovate and to Create new things and conquer new boundaries,
00:42:50.000both scientifically and socially, is that it's all almost a byproduct of this desire to innovate and create and produce this next thing, and that this is all a part of us creating some artificial things, some intelligent things.
00:43:06.000I think we have to break the trance of technology.
00:43:10.000Which is not to say that we reject technology, but we have to break that trance that somehow this linear technological progress is necessarily bringing us to something super amazing.
00:43:22.000And for me, the shift in the future is more to a kind of psychotechnical phase of development.
00:43:30.000By that I mean that if you've had the DMT and the ayahuasca experiences, the yoga experiences and so on, you recognize there are these vast dimensions within the psyche that are basically unknown continents.
00:43:46.000That, for me, is where the action is going to lie for us in the future, as well as potentially exploring other planets, other solar systems, and all this stuff.
00:43:56.000But at the moment, we really more need to get control of our thought projections.
00:44:02.000And the only way to do that is to undergo an initiatory process that involves getting into our unconscious patterns.
00:44:15.000Yeah, well, I mean, like, you know, hanging, you know, fasting or hanging by your pecs for six days or taking ayahuasca, you know, for a couple weeks until, you know, you're so nauseous that you can't believe it, but still vision and insights keep coming up and they begin to heal you of your, you know, pathetic humanness.
00:44:37.000Well, you say pathetic humanist, but then are you completely averse to the idea that we are just here to develop something else?
00:44:44.000I mean, we obviously are just a step along the way and we'll be unrecognizable a few million years from now.
00:44:48.000I think that what we're here to develop is integrity, consciousness, and willpower.
00:44:53.000And once we've developed that, then we can think about what else we may develop.
00:44:59.000Do you feel happy that you're, and I believe you are, one of the people that's sort of an agent of this sort of, I believe right now, currently, we're in a very unusual age of enlightenment.
00:45:11.000And I think that the level of enlightenment that we've achieved culturally over the last year, certainly not everybody, not last year, last decade, certainly not over everybody, but generally, has been more than anything that I can ever remember in my lifetime.
00:45:28.000And people like you that are pushing these ideas and people like you that are trying to challenge the way people view things and the standard predetermined patterns of behavior we seem to have come to accept, you're a part of moving this thing along.
00:45:42.000These kind of discussions are part of moving this thing along where people in college or people who are getting their first jobs, people who are starting their own first business, they're stopping and they're reconsidering the direction that they move forward and what their motives are and whether or not they're just caught up in momentum.
00:45:58.000Yeah, man, I feel extremely humble and lucky.
00:46:13.000What is the number one problem that we have?
00:46:15.000If we have a yearn for destruction and we're constantly moving in that direction...
00:46:19.000The number one problem that we have is that consciousness and subjectivity are mass produced by a system that is basically keeping us in a state of passivity and ignorance.
00:46:34.000Is that system there because everything else, like the way alpha wolves treat beta wolves, that system is almost set up in place so that there is an antagonist?
00:46:58.000We definitely have a powerful military, industrial, corporate empire complex that has sunk its roots into our subconscious processes and our psychology.
00:47:13.000It requires a lot of disciplined effort to recognize how it is operating through us on so many different levels And then begin to turn it around from within.
00:48:24.000It's a way for a kind of global community that's trying to understand this new paradigm and move into it, to reach out to each other, and then self-organize.
00:48:33.000Has anybody ganked my name, my screen name?
00:48:50.000And now we're doing a line of books that include this book here, Jose Arguelles' book, Manifesto for the New Esphere, which is about this idea of a transition from the biosphere to the new esphere.