The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1380 - Pete Dominick

00:00:00.000 Three, two, uh, uh.

00:00:04.000 Hello, Pete Domek.

00:00:05.000 How are you, buddy?

00:00:05.000 Hey, Joe Rogan.

00:00:06.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:06.000 Good to see you.

00:00:07.000 Psyched to be here.

00:00:08.000 Psyched to be in California.

00:00:09.000 Psyched to be sitting across from you.

00:00:10.000 Psyched to have you.

00:00:11.000 You're a free man now.

00:00:13.000 You've escaped yourself from the shackles of satellite radio.

00:00:17.000 The shackles of corporate media.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:20.000 See, that's the thing about dedicating so much time to a company like that.

00:00:23.000 They can just get rid of you.

00:00:25.000 And then you don't have a connection to all those fans.

00:00:28.000 You have to reestablish a connection.

00:00:30.000 It's been an amazing experience in the last, what, four weeks since it happened to try to...

00:00:34.000 First of all, I watched my funeral play out publicly because I had a huge community of listeners for 12 years that I created.

00:00:39.000 But I was trying to respond to all of them.

00:00:42.000 And, you know, you can't say...

00:00:43.000 I still can't share, like, certain details, right?

00:00:46.000 How much time did they give you before the show was ended?

00:00:49.000 The show, basically, they told me after the show that it was the last show and then they let me have, like, a...

00:00:57.000 They said I could do a last show, but instead I was like, let me just record a message.

00:01:01.000 I don't want to go.

00:01:02.000 So you didn't know until the day of.

00:01:04.000 I had a pretty good idea.

00:01:06.000 I had a pretty good idea.

00:01:08.000 Do they have ratings?

00:01:10.000 I don't think so.

00:01:11.000 If they did, I think I'd probably be in pretty good shape.

00:01:13.000 I mean, like...

00:01:14.000 It's a long story, but the show I was doing was pretty special.

00:01:17.000 It was really helping people, and we were enlightening.

00:01:19.000 It's kind of like what you do here.

00:01:21.000 I mean, that's why I love what you do here.

00:01:22.000 People learn, they get enlightened, they get entertained.

00:01:27.000 You make people better, better people.

00:01:30.000 Through this show.

00:01:31.000 The contribution that you make, that's what I was doing.

00:01:34.000 We were three hours every day talking about issues, talking about struggles that people are having, and it was rewarding and challenging and satisfying, and I had total editorial control, so, you know, I can't, I really can't complain.

00:01:47.000 Twelve years is pretty...

00:01:48.000 Do they know, though, how many people are listening to any given show?

00:01:51.000 Not that I ever know.

00:01:52.000 Not that I ever know.

00:01:53.000 Not that you ever know.

00:01:53.000 That it was ever shown to me.

00:01:54.000 See, that is a weird thing.

00:01:56.000 That's a thing that you have with Netflix as well.

00:01:59.000 You know, like if you do a special with Netflix and they go, we really like it.

00:02:04.000 It's great.

00:02:05.000 But they don't share it with you.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, and you go, well, how are the ratings?

00:02:07.000 They go, we're really happy.

00:02:09.000 What does that mean?

00:02:10.000 We're really, really happy.

00:02:11.000 That's like when you first started doing comedy and you came off stage and your friends were like, you looked confident.

00:02:16.000 No, it's worse than that because business decisions can be made based on what kind of downloads you're getting.

00:02:24.000 If Netflix says, hey, four million people downloaded your comedy special.

00:02:31.000 They really loved it.

00:02:32.000 We're really happy.

00:02:34.000 Let's do another one.

00:02:35.000 It doesn't make any sense for the company to have the information and the host not to have the information.

00:02:39.000 Why wouldn't you share it so that everybody has...

00:02:41.000 Because they don't want you to bargain with them.

00:02:43.000 They don't want you to negotiate.

00:02:45.000 I mean, the best thing about being fired is you don't have to worry about being fired.

00:02:48.000 Yes.

00:02:49.000 And so you can do your own thing.

00:02:51.000 And increasingly, I think...

00:02:54.000 People are taking advantage of that.

00:02:57.000 If you're a network, you have to have a million people listening or watching to keep the ratings up to sell advertising.

00:03:02.000 You're only making just so much money.

00:03:04.000 If you launch your own thing the way you have and so many other people have, you're gambling with everything, which is what I'm doing now with podcasting, which is really an original thing to do, and a very difficult way to make money.

00:03:17.000 But if you do, if you're good, then you control it all.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, you can do it.

00:03:21.000 It's like if you've done a serious show and you developed an audience and that's something you definitely did do.

00:03:26.000 Three hours live every day, yeah.

00:03:28.000 You can definitely do the same thing on a podcast.

00:03:30.000 I hope you're right.

00:03:31.000 No, you can.

00:03:32.000 My family's relying on it.

00:03:34.000 Well, you have comedy, too.

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:36.000 But you absolutely can do it.

00:03:39.000 And it's just one of those things where I see people doing the corporate route and I'm like, man, I get how you needed to do that 15 years ago.

00:03:46.000 You don't need to do that now.

00:03:48.000 That's a bad decision now.

00:03:49.000 Where it was a good decision.

00:03:50.000 Like, hey, you got a serious gig 15 years ago.

00:03:53.000 Wow, that's awesome.

00:03:55.000 I think you're absolutely right.

00:03:56.000 It's terrifying.

00:03:58.000 There's always pros and cons.

00:04:00.000 You work for a company no matter what you do.

00:04:02.000 You're working for somebody.

00:04:03.000 You have a place to go.

00:04:04.000 They control all of the, in our case, in media's case, the promotion, the marketing, the legal.

00:04:10.000 They hire producers to work for you and so on.

00:04:13.000 And so there's a certain level of comfort there.

00:04:14.000 But at the same time, you've got to answer to these people.

00:04:16.000 You've got to deal with these people.

00:04:17.000 And frankly, you know you're more talented than a lot of the people that you're working with.

00:04:21.000 And you have all these ideas and these inspirations, and they're either going to say yes or no to them, and when you're on your own, you just put the wheels on them and go.

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 Well, I remember last time I went to Sirius offices, went to the studios, I was upstairs, and I was like, there's too much money here.

00:04:38.000 This costs too much money.

00:04:40.000 There's too many people here. 1.00

00:04:42.000 You see these fucking people wearing suits? 1.00

00:04:44.000 I'm like, what does that guy do? 0.99

00:04:45.000 I guarantee you, he doesn't do fuck all. 0.95

00:04:47.000 That guy doesn't have anything to do with whether or not this show's any good. 0.97

00:04:50.000 And all you have to do is press a button and get it out there.

00:04:52.000 So there's all these people making decisions about, well, we got marketing and this and that, and we're going to make sure we hit the right demographic.

00:04:57.000 I feel like that's the way.

00:04:59.000 I've worked at CNN, I worked at MSNBC, I worked at Fox.

00:05:01.000 I feel like that's corporate media or corporate America, where you have to wonder how much work and how much value each person is bringing to whatever their job is.

00:05:12.000 I always want to know, but it's... 0.92

00:05:13.000 They're goofy. 0.93

00:05:14.000 Sirius is very goofy. 0.95

00:05:15.000 They offered me a great deal.

00:05:17.000 Zero money.

00:05:18.000 Really?

00:05:19.000 Zero.

00:05:19.000 I feel like you might have told me that before.

00:05:21.000 Zero.

00:05:21.000 Zero money.

00:05:22.000 It's the most hilarious deal ever.

00:05:24.000 We'll put your show on the air and we'll give you zero.

00:05:27.000 Like, oh, that sounds good.

00:05:30.000 I don't even know.

00:05:31.000 I don't even...

00:05:31.000 When was that?

00:05:32.000 I mean, at that point... 0.98

00:05:33.000 Fucking recently. 0.99

00:05:34.000 Really? 0.99

00:05:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:35.000 Yeah.

00:05:36.000 They're hilarious.

00:05:37.000 How did you...

00:05:38.000 What did you do?

00:05:38.000 I didn't do anything.

00:05:39.000 I don't talk to anybody.

00:05:40.000 I mean, it's all done through managers and agents, and I say no to everything, so I was like, it was easy to say no to everybody.

00:05:45.000 I always did everything directly myself.

00:05:47.000 Oh, that's a terrible idea.

00:05:48.000 I could never allow somebody...

00:05:50.000 I never felt like anybody could sell me the way I could sell myself.

00:05:52.000 Oh, Dude, then you have to think about selling yourself.

00:05:57.000 For people listening to this podcast regularly, I'm sorry, I apologize for repeating myself, but the way I look at everything, and this is something I've done over the last, really cultivated over the last 10 years, but really specifically focused on over the last couple years.

00:06:12.000 Is I look at thinking as bandwidth.

00:06:14.000 Say if you have a hundred units of thinking, whatever the fuck you're involved in to have this negotiation or sell yourself to this and sell yourself to that and talk about this and pitch your ideas to this person and that person, 0.99

00:06:31.000 that's taking away time that you could be working on your other shit. 0.99

00:06:34.000 Yeah, I don't have any time for that. 0.99

00:06:36.000 I have zero time. 0.97

00:06:37.000 I allocate zero bandwidth for selling myself, zero bandwidth for doing other people's shit. 0.77

00:06:42.000 But have you always done that? 0.55

00:06:45.000 Were you that way at the start?

00:06:46.000 Because, I mean, you're so big now.

00:06:48.000 Anybody can understand that you can do that.

00:06:51.000 I never sold myself.

00:06:52.000 I always had an agent and a manager.

00:06:54.000 Really?

00:06:54.000 I've had the same manager since I was an open-miker.

00:06:56.000 Really?

00:06:57.000 Yeah.

00:06:57.000 Who?

00:06:57.000 Jeff Sussman.

00:06:58.000 Oh, wow.

00:06:59.000 I know Jeff Sussman.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, wow.

00:07:01.000 That's awesome.

00:07:02.000 You're a loyal guy, too.

00:07:04.000 Well, he's awesome.

00:07:05.000 He's family.

00:07:06.000 We've been together since 1990. Yeah, I feel that way about my agent, too.

00:07:13.000 But I just...

00:07:14.000 Conan Smith, he's one of the few guys I met in this business that I really always liked.

00:07:19.000 And he didn't seem like he's part of this business.

00:07:21.000 But he'd always be like, what's next?

00:07:24.000 And I'd always say, tomorrow's show, because every three-hour live show, we talked about everything, from tax policy to depression to environmentalism to anything, politics, parenting.

00:07:31.000 And so it was really challenging to do that and to prepare for all these interviews with these smart people.

00:07:35.000 And then I wanted to go home and be with my girls.

00:07:38.000 Like, I had an amazing work-life balance, and I feel like most people never find that.

00:07:44.000 They never understand it.

00:07:45.000 I found it, and I kept it for a really long time, which is what's scary, to not have that.

00:07:50.000 I've been working my ass off since the day I left...

00:07:53.000 Sirius XM went right into a meeting and have been on the phone ever since.

00:07:58.000 Reached out to you and everybody I know.

00:07:59.000 I said, hey, what can I do?

00:08:01.000 But it's not balance.

00:08:03.000 I haven't seen my girls.

00:08:04.000 I haven't seen my garden.

00:08:05.000 So I'm excited to hopefully get back to that, to some semblance of that.

00:08:09.000 But most people don't have that.

00:08:10.000 And I think finding...

00:08:13.000 Because you get so ambitious, especially as a guy, I feel like, if you're a breadwinner especially, it's just work, work, work, support your family.

00:08:20.000 If you've got a family, there's ego, there's money, and you just keep going.

00:08:24.000 But then you realize there's got to be enough.

00:08:28.000 In my opinion, you have to have an idea of enough.

00:08:32.000 And I got there.

00:08:33.000 And that's when I just...

00:08:38.000 Right.

00:08:52.000 You can do it close by. 1.00

00:08:54.000 You can either rent an office space or you can do it in your fucking garage. 0.99

00:08:56.000 You can do it anywhere. 0.99

00:08:57.000 Especially when your kids are at school, you can do it.

00:08:59.000 You can do it on your terms.

00:09:01.000 You could bank a couple of them, do two or three in a day, and then take days off.

00:09:06.000 But the most important thing, I think, is that you stay independent.

00:09:10.000 We were just talking about that out there.

00:09:12.000 Because there's going to be a bunch of bozos that want you to join their network.

00:09:14.000 Oh, they're calling.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, they take a big chunk.

00:09:17.000 I don't know what the offers are, I don't know what the deals are, but it's like, why?

00:09:21.000 I just started doing this podcast.

00:09:23.000 You've already been through what that is.

00:09:25.000 I've got a great community of listeners who are like family to me.

00:09:29.000 They've all been so supportive.

00:09:30.000 You're like, let me just try to test that out.

00:09:32.000 Definitely test that out.

00:09:33.000 How active are you on social media?

00:09:36.000 I try to be as active as I can.

00:09:37.000 I'm not great at it.

00:09:38.000 I don't love it.

00:09:39.000 That's important, though, that you have some sort of engagement so you can tell people where you're going.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, definitely doing that.

00:09:43.000 I mean, you don't want to be too wrapped up in it because, again, bandwidth.

00:09:46.000 It's going to suck up a lot of your time.

00:09:47.000 Right.

00:09:48.000 For a lot of people, it's a giant distraction.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, I don't...

00:09:52.000 That's why I... When I say I'm not that good at it, it's because I feel like it's a distraction.

00:09:56.000 It seems like a very...

00:09:57.000 As a creative person, it's interesting.

00:09:59.000 It's an interesting outlet, and there's a lot of creative people who are great on Twitter, but I don't think in terms of what's a great tweet, or I should tweet right now, or put this up on Facebook.

00:10:08.000 You know, comics, artists...

00:10:10.000 Do this because they love to create.

00:10:12.000 They love to perform.

00:10:14.000 They don't love to promote what they're doing.

00:10:16.000 Nobody really likes that.

00:10:17.000 Some people do, and some people are great at it.

00:10:19.000 But it's usually not why you get into it.

00:10:20.000 At the same time, if you don't do it, I mean, there's a lot of great comics who don't promote themselves.

00:10:26.000 And there's a lot of bad comics, if we're talking about comedians, any performer, who are great at promoting themselves.

00:10:31.000 Right.

00:10:32.000 And I fall somewhere in between.

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 People that are really good at promoting usually are not that good.

00:10:37.000 Because they spend so much time promoting and they're trying to get famous and trying to get successful as opposed to doing the work, writing the jokes, performing.

00:10:43.000 They're also super conscious of how they appear to people.

00:10:46.000 They're super conscious and they're trying to cultivate an image.

00:10:50.000 They're trying very hard at that.

00:10:52.000 I can't be bothered with that.

00:10:53.000 It's not good for you.

00:10:54.000 I mean, I know it works, but I can't.

00:10:56.000 To go back to what your deal was at Sirius, when you were there, they don't give you any indication of what kind of numbers you're pulling at.

00:11:04.000 Not really.

00:11:04.000 Any indication of how many people are listening to your show.

00:11:08.000 It was hard to know.

00:11:09.000 You see the phone volume, you see the phones lock up, you see, you know...

00:11:13.000 Social media is not really a good measurement because the vast majority...

00:11:17.000 Were you getting people to follow you?

00:11:18.000 Were you saying on the show, hey, follow me on Twitter, follow me on Instagram?

00:11:21.000 Yeah, but what's interesting...

00:11:23.000 I don't want to disparage SiriusXM, not because they gave me a good, you know, exit deal, I guess, but because it almost seems inauthentic because they gave me five contracts, which created an amazing life and amazing community.

00:11:37.000 Like, I'm so grateful to what I had there.

00:11:40.000 But yes, certainly...

00:11:42.000 The problem, I suppose, is you're behind this firewall.

00:11:47.000 Like this morning, one of my best friends lives in Australia.

00:11:50.000 And he's like, yeah, I listen to Joe Rogan.

00:11:51.000 I listen to Rachel Maddow's podcast.

00:11:53.000 They don't have MSNBC there.

00:11:55.000 They can't get Sirius XM necessarily.

00:11:58.000 You can't, I guess, online.

00:11:59.000 The point is, if you're behind that, you're mostly in the car.

00:12:03.000 And I think what I'm trying to say is it's skewed to like 50, 60-year-old affluent men who are in cars, which...

00:12:10.000 I was psyched to have every one of them, but I would love to have a lot of young people.

00:12:15.000 I'm staying out here with my cousin, and his son is 18, and he found out I was doing the Joe Rogan show, and he's flipping out, but he didn't know what I did at SiriusXM.

00:12:23.000 I hate to say this because I'm thankful that Sirius put on Howard and Opie and Anthony and all these comics they had on over the years, but you're better off without it.

00:12:32.000 It's not where the future is.

00:12:34.000 The future is not in satellite radio.

00:12:36.000 It's just not. 0.99

00:12:37.000 It sucks.

00:12:38.000 You go under tunnels, it cuts out. 1.00

00:12:40.000 I mean, it's dumb. 1.00

00:12:42.000 It's a fucking dumb way. 1.00

00:12:44.000 I mean, you can download an entire three-hour show in seconds. 1.00

00:12:47.000 Yep. 0.90

00:12:48.000 If you have a podcast, you get it on Spotify or whatever, you download the whole fucking thing right before a plane ride in the airport. 0.94

00:12:56.000 Right. 0.60

00:12:56.000 You're in the airport and you can go, oh hey, this new Artie Lang podcast. 0.60

00:12:59.000 Beep.

00:12:59.000 Download it.

00:13:01.000 While you're fucking waiting for your gate to be called, you have the podcast, you get on the three-hour flight, you listen to the whole goddamn thing. 0.99

00:13:08.000 It's easy. 0.99

00:13:09.000 What's interesting is going, I'm really curious to see what you think, but going from live radio and constant interaction with callers, which I love.

00:13:17.000 You can do that.

00:13:19.000 To podcasting and just being there alone with the mic and No, you can do that.

00:13:26.000 I'm told I can.

00:13:27.000 I'm told I can go live.

00:13:29.000 I haven't figured it out yet.

00:13:30.000 I got a great group of people that are working with me.

00:13:32.000 Amazing people have come out of the crowd.

00:13:34.000 The greatest thing...

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:06.000 No matter what happens next, what I got to do there and what I did do there on so many tough issues and helped so many people, that's it, man.

00:14:16.000 I could die right now and be happy.

00:14:18.000 Don't die. 0.98

00:14:19.000 Don't die.

00:14:19.000 It would be good for me to do it on the show, though.

00:14:21.000 You have a nice past, which is wonderful.

00:14:24.000 But the thing about scary things and the thing about this is that it's an opportunity for growth.

00:14:30.000 It's an opportunity to do something.

00:14:32.000 It's an opportunity to stretch your wings, to really take a chance.

00:14:36.000 And that's how you grow.

00:14:37.000 And I appreciate you saying that, and I'm on that same wavelength, and I'm a guy who thrives in these situations.

00:14:46.000 I've taken advantage of every room I've been in.

00:14:49.000 I've never been the best comic.

00:14:51.000 I've never been the best at anything, but I've always been gritty.

00:14:54.000 I've always worked as hard, if not harder, than anybody.

00:14:56.000 And now it's interesting because I've never been in this type of situation with a family.

00:15:01.000 You know, that's different when you're single and you're young.

00:15:03.000 But I was working that hard and making no excuses and back then doing no drugs, not drinking, everything.

00:15:09.000 It was just about my career and being a good person.

00:15:11.000 I thought if I was a good person, that mattered.

00:15:14.000 And come to find out, being a good person was the best form of currency.

00:15:21.000 Everybody competing and trying to kill other people in our business or in any other business, to me, I have no interest in that and no attraction to those people.

00:15:28.000 All I want to do is help people, not think, just for purposes of altruism, not to be virtuous, just because, same reason you are.

00:15:35.000 Being kind is the way to be.

00:15:38.000 Not putting a knife in someone's back.

00:15:40.000 And when the show ended, it was amazing because people started tweeting things that I had done that I never...

00:15:49.000 I thought it would become public.

00:15:50.000 They were private things.

00:15:52.000 They weren't for...

00:15:52.000 And it was just like days and days of people...

00:15:55.000 I used to do a segment every week called Stand Up with a Veteran for veterans.

00:16:00.000 And this veterans community came out strong.

00:16:02.000 They're like, what?

00:16:03.000 They let you go?

00:16:04.000 You did so much for us?

00:16:05.000 I think it's a dying company.

00:16:06.000 I don't think you should dwell on all this.

00:16:08.000 I mean, it's just a dying company and now you have an opportunity.

00:16:11.000 It's great that you did all these good things.

00:16:12.000 It's great.

00:16:13.000 I don't mean to sound negative.

00:16:15.000 I don't mean to sound like I'm dwelling on it.

00:16:16.000 I mean to say it was an amazing experience that was afforded to me.

00:16:20.000 I leveraged it.

00:16:21.000 I took advantage of it.

00:16:22.000 I'm really excited.

00:16:24.000 Every day I wake up now, just ideas, ideas, ideas, hammering phone calls.

00:16:28.000 While you were doing the show, were you under any sort of exclusive thing where you couldn't do anything on the internet?

00:16:32.000 Right.

00:16:33.000 You were?

00:16:34.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 I mean, yeah, pretty much.

00:16:35.000 We couldn't do a podcast.

00:16:37.000 It was direct, no.

00:16:38.000 That was direct competition.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, because do you remember when Anthony from Opie and Anthony, Anthony Cumia, had live from the compound?

00:16:44.000 Of course.

00:16:45.000 He was doing this thing.

00:16:46.000 Was that overlapping with Sirius?

00:16:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:48.000 Oh.

00:16:48.000 That's why I started my podcast.

00:16:51.000 100%.

00:16:52.000 Because he had a studio in his basement where he's doing karaoke holding a machine gun.

00:16:57.000 And he was drunk.

00:16:58.000 And I was like, what?

00:16:59.000 Was it loaded?

00:17:00.000 You could do that.

00:17:00.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:17:01.000 It's Anthony.

00:17:02.000 I'm sure it was loaded. 1.00

00:17:03.000 He's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:17:04.000 I know. 1.00

00:17:04.000 I always had a great relationship with him, though. 1.00

00:17:06.000 I love that guy.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, he's one of the funniest guys.

00:17:08.000 He liked me because we agreed on nothing, but we got along.

00:17:12.000 But he's a genius.

00:17:14.000 He's pretty smart, though.

00:17:15.000 The way he thinks and talks about things, agree with him or don't agree with him, he's a very entertaining guy.

00:17:20.000 I love doing radio with him.

00:17:22.000 And he had this basement set up where he had a green screen.

00:17:27.000 Yes, I remember that.

00:17:28.000 Like a real production table and real production mics, and he spent all this money on really high-end stuff.

00:17:33.000 And he and I had a conversation.

00:17:35.000 I'm like, what are you doing? 0.99

00:17:36.000 He's like, I'm just fucking around. 0.99

00:17:38.000 I'm having fun. 0.99

00:17:38.000 And I was like, what? 0.99

00:17:41.000 I remember thinking about it going, I need to do something like that.

00:17:43.000 And when me and my friend Redband, when we started it, we just used a laptop.

00:17:49.000 But I remember thinking about what he had set up.

00:17:53.000 So we were just doing, like, answering questions and talking to people on, you know, like, I forget what it was.

00:17:59.000 I guess it was Twitter.

00:18:00.000 It was 2009. It'll be 10 years next month.

00:18:03.000 That's awesome, man.

00:18:04.000 But the inspiration was Opie and Anthony first because their show was just a hang.

00:18:11.000 There was no structure to it.

00:18:13.000 It was just having conversations with people.

00:18:15.000 But then when I saw Anthony have that set up in his basement, I was like, Oh, I could do something like this.

00:18:21.000 And by the way, having a studio, and I always thought that was weird because he was all the way out in Long Island.

00:18:25.000 I was like, is that going to work?

00:18:26.000 How's he going to get people out there?

00:18:28.000 It was hard when he got fired.

00:18:30.000 When he got fired, it was hard to get people out there.

00:18:32.000 Yeah, I'd imagine.

00:18:33.000 But...

00:18:34.000 Like him, I got a big, a vast network, and technology has gotten so much better in terms of getting guests, but, I mean, I just, you gotta wonder how it's all going to work, and how do you, if you're gonna go live, there's just so many things it seems to be thinking about,

00:18:52.000 how it's gonna...

00:18:53.000 What's going to work?

00:18:54.000 Like, what works?

00:18:56.000 But do you know anybody that has a studio?

00:18:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:59.000 They all want you to come do it.

00:19:01.000 Yeah.

00:19:01.000 As long as you don't have to sign...

00:19:02.000 But I was going to say, the commute.

00:19:04.000 The commute.

00:19:04.000 The fact that he has a studio...

00:19:06.000 When I got a studio in my house, Sirius XM had me do it early, like 6 or 9 a.m.

00:19:10.000 slot for two years.

00:19:11.000 And I was like...

00:19:12.000 You did it in your house?

00:19:13.000 Yeah, I negotiated.

00:19:13.000 I was like, you want me to do 6 or 9 a.m., you've got to build me a nice studio.

00:19:16.000 And they did.

00:19:17.000 And that was the richest I could ever be.

00:19:20.000 A friend of mine's wife works at a college and walks five minutes.

00:19:23.000 That's her commute. 0.90

00:19:24.000 I think a commute is almost a definition of your wealth.

00:19:28.000 My body turned to mush.

00:19:30.000 When I had to drive into the city an hour each way, everything about a long commute made me feel weaker and less than.

00:19:39.000 And the idea that you can have a studio in your house or work from home, no matter what your job is, is a pretty sweet deal.

00:19:45.000 Yeah, the commute can definitely grind on you, but it also is an opportunity to listen to books on tape.

00:19:50.000 For sure, you do whatever you can to be productive and be positive, yeah.

00:19:53.000 And you can go two hours early and get an hour workout in before you get there.

00:19:57.000 I did that.

00:19:57.000 There's a lot of good stuff that can come from everything if you look at things correctly.

00:20:01.000 I share your outlook.

00:20:03.000 I think that one of the things, I've been listening to your podcast for years, but not every episode, not religiously, but since I lost my job, I was like, let me just start listening to Rogan.

00:20:14.000 And what's really interesting about you, in my opinion, is you are the perfect example of somebody that everybody wants to put into a box.

00:20:23.000 And you can't.

00:20:24.000 It's what's wrong with everything in our country and our conversation.

00:20:27.000 It's whatever people think that you are...

00:20:31.000 Everybody that I tell that I'm doing this show, they have an opinion of you.

00:20:35.000 And when I listen to your show...

00:20:38.000 And here's the main takeaway I get from your conversations is that you try to find the positivity in everything.

00:20:45.000 You're like the most positive guy.

00:20:47.000 Whatever you think about any issue or any idea, any opinion you have, you're always being so positive and so helpful.

00:20:54.000 And it has been, honestly, in this like trying time, the other thing my dad just I get fired, my dad had a heart attack, and then a week later, he's on blood thinners, and he faints and bounces his face off a counter, rips his eye open, goes into surgery.

00:21:10.000 Now he can't see out of his eye, and he's a ski instructor and a cyclist, and he's a race car driving instructor, and so I'm dealing with that, dealing with my job, dealing with my family, listening to you, and you And a handful of other people just bringing as much positivity to every scenario and situation.

00:21:28.000 And that's my nature too.

00:21:30.000 But some days, it doesn't matter who you are.

00:21:33.000 You've got to peel yourself off the ground.

00:21:35.000 But I can't let my daughter see me sweat either.

00:21:39.000 Let them see me vulnerable, but they're not going to see me sweat.

00:21:43.000 Well, you don't have to sweat.

00:21:44.000 You just have to grind.

00:21:45.000 You just have to hustle.

00:21:46.000 Listen, you're a respected guy.

00:21:48.000 You're a very good host of a show.

00:21:51.000 You just have to find a new venue.

00:21:52.000 That's all it is.

00:21:53.000 This is a good opportunity.

00:21:54.000 You're healthy.

00:21:55.000 You don't have anything wrong with you.

00:21:56.000 Mentally and physically, I've always thought mentally that I was the happiest, healthiest guy.

00:22:01.000 So it's been a weird thing to not be able to...

00:22:03.000 Espouse that on people.

00:22:05.000 And physically, I'm back, too.

00:22:06.000 I'm back to training. 0.99

00:22:08.000 Well, all that's good shit, man. 0.99

00:22:10.000 You just need to find a place. 0.99

00:22:12.000 The thing about doing it in the city, and I know you don't want to live in the city, but doing it in the city, you can get guests in studio.

00:22:17.000 For sure.

00:22:18.000 And that is so much better.

00:22:20.000 It's so much better.

00:22:21.000 Why do you think that?

00:22:22.000 Because of the way we're talking right now.

00:22:24.000 I agree, but you can't look on a camera at somebody.

00:22:26.000 There's a weird delay.

00:22:27.000 Like when I was doing it with Snowden, there's a weird delay.

00:22:30.000 But he wasn't even in Russia or something like that?

00:22:31.000 Yeah, but it doesn't matter.

00:22:32.000 It was real time.

00:22:33.000 I mean, the actual lag was very minimal.

00:22:37.000 What do we think the lag was?

00:22:40.000 The Russians. 0.71

00:22:41.000 FaceTime.

00:22:42.000 There's nothing, right?

00:22:43.000 There's nothing.

00:22:44.000 But even FaceTime, like when I'm on the road and I'm FaceTiming my family, it's weird.

00:22:48.000 Like, what did you say?

00:22:48.000 Huh?

00:22:49.000 Okay.

00:22:49.000 So there's a weird thing.

00:22:51.000 I agree with you.

00:22:51.000 I always preferred having people in the studio for sure.

00:22:54.000 It's 50% better.

00:22:56.000 It might be more.

00:22:57.000 I just made up that number.

00:22:58.000 I feel like one cool opportunity is to travel to different places and find the most interesting, articulate people and do gigs there, do stand-up at night, spend a couple days there interviewing the most interesting people in whatever town that you're in.

00:23:11.000 Oh, 100%.

00:23:12.000 And so that's kind of what I'm doing.

00:23:13.000 The thing about that is you're going to need someone to film if you want to do a video element of it.

00:23:20.000 Here's the thing about a video element of it.

00:23:22.000 When you talk about...

00:23:25.000 Some people don't listen to this podcast.

00:23:28.000 They only watch it.

00:23:29.000 It's a lot of people.

00:23:30.000 When we first did it, the video aspect of it was just an aside.

00:23:35.000 We did it with a webcam and then we started putting it on iTunes and the iTunes was way more popular than the video which was on Ustream.

00:23:46.000 I don't even know if it exists anymore.

00:23:48.000 Does Ustream exist?

00:23:49.000 It does?

00:23:51.000 Now it's YouTube.

00:23:54.000 It's a built-in platform, right? 0.99

00:23:56.000 So there's millions and millions of people who are on it just looking for shit to watch. 0.98

00:23:59.000 Yeah, I definitely want to do that. 0.99

00:24:00.000 I definitely want to do that.

00:24:01.000 But I'm thinking you're making obviously a lot of good points about where it can be done and the best ways to do it.

00:24:07.000 And I've been talking to so many smart people obviously every day.

00:24:09.000 I mean, my network is...

00:24:11.000 I'm lucky to have this network of amazing people that are just so kind and generous to give me this advice.

00:24:17.000 And honest, too. 1.00

00:24:18.000 They tell you, don't be an idiot. 1.00

00:24:19.000 Don't fuck enough. 1.00

00:24:19.000 Don't do that. 1.00

00:24:21.000 As a comic, I think that's the way that you think.

00:24:26.000 You want people to be as brutal...

00:24:28.000 As they can be with criticism.

00:24:29.000 You don't take it personally.

00:24:30.000 Just like, okay, yup, I'll take that advice.

00:24:32.000 I'll apply that and change that and tweet that.

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:35.000 Well, there's nothing wrong with getting some constructive or even destructive criticism.

00:24:41.000 You have to have feedback.

00:24:45.000 It's not always accurate or correct, but feedback is important.

00:24:49.000 And that's one of the good things about having one of those talk shows where people call in.

00:24:54.000 That's one of the good things.

00:24:55.000 They get to give you some feedback.

00:24:56.000 I love that.

00:24:57.000 One of the bad things is they get to give you some feedback.

00:24:59.000 Fine.

00:25:00.000 That's one of the bad things.

00:25:01.000 Yeah, but it's always entertaining. 0.99

00:25:02.000 If they shit on me, it was always very entertaining. 0.98

00:25:06.000 As a comic, I love heckles. 0.99

00:25:08.000 I love anybody yelling out.

00:25:10.000 I live for it.

00:25:10.000 Those are my favorite moments.

00:25:11.000 What I like best is one-on-one conversations with people.

00:25:16.000 That's what I like best.

00:25:16.000 Me too.

00:25:17.000 And that's what I like best to listen to as well.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:22.000 I would listen to Stern, and then when someone would call in, I was like, why are they letting somebody call in?

00:25:26.000 And some guy would yell out Baba Booey or talking about Sniff and Robin's farts or something like that.

00:25:30.000 Or they would just be boring and you don't want to be rude, but you have to be.

00:25:33.000 Like, I can't.

00:25:34.000 I'm doing a show here, man.

00:25:35.000 You're babbling.

00:25:36.000 But it's just odd that he would just go to callers in the middle of a conversation with some lady who's an actress or something.

00:25:42.000 But that's the chaos that he sort of cultivated.

00:25:45.000 Well, I think that's what's the great thing about this show is the people that you get and the interaction, the conversation that you have.

00:25:52.000 And I was trying to do the same thing at Sirius.

00:25:57.000 Well, you were doing it. 1.00

00:25:58.000 You just were doing it in this walled garden with a bunch of assholes that are running the ship. 0.99

00:26:03.000 And doing it for like 20, 25 minutes apiece. 0.99

00:26:05.000 I'm always amazed that you and a handful of other people can sustain a two-hour conversation.

00:26:10.000 I love that.

00:26:11.000 Anybody can.

00:26:12.000 You can do it, too.

00:26:13.000 I think I can, but that was never allowed to.

00:26:15.000 Those rules were always like...

00:26:17.000 Cut to commercial, yeah.

00:26:18.000 Yeah, you had hard breaks.

00:26:20.000 I'm doing a podcast the other day, and I'm like, thanks for tuning in.

00:26:23.000 We're almost out of time.

00:26:23.000 I'm like, you didn't tune in, and we're not almost out of time.

00:26:26.000 I can do whatever the hell I want.

00:26:27.000 I can just keep talking.

00:26:29.000 We can just keep talking.

00:26:30.000 Well, the worst thing is presidential debates.

00:26:33.000 You're literally picking the person who's going to run the free world.

00:26:37.000 And you have to stop because there's a Palmolive commercial.

00:26:40.000 Is Palmolive even a thing?

00:26:42.000 I'm such an old man. 0.99

00:26:43.000 I'm pulling out fucking Palmolive references. 0.99

00:26:46.000 I think they're usually pharmaceutical companies at this point. 0.99

00:26:48.000 Pfizer.

00:26:49.000 It's a boner pill.

00:26:50.000 The irony of them talking about the pharmaceutical companies and then they advertise during the break.

00:26:54.000 But you're absolutely, yeah, it's not real.

00:26:56.000 I mean, the presidential debates are so not real.

00:26:58.000 And all those networks, I mean, my friends produce those things.

00:27:01.000 And it's just like, it's a show.

00:27:03.000 Well, when you get Bernie, like when I had Bernie Sanders in here and you get to talk to him like a real human being.

00:27:08.000 Yes.

00:27:08.000 You go, oh, you're a human being who cares about people and you have a different perspective on what these people are saying.

00:27:16.000 Your idea of democratic socialism is not this wacky socialism...

00:27:21.000 It's not a soundbite.

00:27:22.000 Yeah, and it's not this thing where people think...

00:27:24.000 You're just going to steal money from hard-working folks and give it to lazy people.

00:27:27.000 That's the worst case stereotype.

00:27:31.000 It's none of that.

00:27:31.000 No, it's not.

00:27:32.000 We're not going to privatize shoe stores and gyms.

00:27:36.000 He's a very thoughtful person.

00:27:37.000 Yeah, I was talking to his...

00:27:40.000 Because as I told you, I'm thinking very seriously now about also running for Congress.

00:27:44.000 And I was talking to his, I think, deputy chief of staff, a guy named Ari Ravenhoff, great guy.

00:27:49.000 And I was telling him, I was doing your show.

00:27:51.000 And he told me that after Bernie Sanders did your show, everybody was recognizing him.

00:27:56.000 I'm like, really?

00:27:57.000 Like, he reached a whole different demographic talking to you than he ever had before.

00:28:02.000 Because he's mostly on those cable news shows.

00:28:05.000 He's mostly on terrestrial or, you know, radio radio.

00:28:08.000 But when you do these, what do you even call this now?

00:28:12.000 Non-traditional, alternative media? 0.99

00:28:14.000 Might as well be mainstream, but the point is, when you have a long conversation with Bernie Sanders, and he's not like up there, you know what we have to do, all that shit is annoying. 0.98

00:28:23.000 You've heard it before. 0.91

00:28:23.000 He sits down and has a real conversation with you, and everybody's like, oh man, that guy's making a lot of good points. 0.91

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 Well, you've got to think of what is annoying to people. 0.99

00:28:32.000 And one of the things that's annoying to people is that fucking rapid-fire nod. 0.99

00:28:37.000 Yeah, the cadence. 0.99

00:28:39.000 And healthcare, and Medicare, and education should be free! 0.99

00:28:42.000 And people are like, hey, hey, hey, fuckface, I just got off work, okay? 0.99

00:28:47.000 Why are you yelling at me? 0.99

00:28:48.000 This guy's annoying and he wants to take my money. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Fuck him! 1.00

00:28:51.000 And you just press stop. 1.00

00:28:52.000 Right.

00:28:52.000 And you have to be able to change your cadence, your diction, and your commentary.

00:28:56.000 And you have to be able to get questions that are more thoughtful.

00:28:59.000 That's the thing about all these cable news interviewers and network.

00:29:03.000 They always want to get some headline.

00:29:06.000 And that's the other thing about corporate media, too.

00:29:08.000 They want you...

00:29:09.000 I've been in that belly of that beast, Joe, for the last 15 years.

00:29:12.000 Corporate, you know, political media.

00:29:14.000 And it's so...

00:29:17.000 Manufactured.

00:29:18.000 I could tell you so many stories.

00:29:19.000 They call you up and they say, you know, how do you feel about anything?

00:29:24.000 We want to make sure that you're completely the opposite of the other panelists and so that you have a really robust argument.

00:29:30.000 And it's like, not everything is binary.

00:29:32.000 Most things aren't.

00:29:33.000 There's a ton of nuance, a ton of gradation.

00:29:35.000 We don't have to hate each other.

00:29:37.000 That's how they get ratings.

00:29:38.000 That's how they sell advertising.

00:29:39.000 I blame most of the problems in our country on corporate media, terrestrial radio, just doing that format all day.

00:29:47.000 It works really well for conservatives, not as well for liberals, but it still works.

00:29:52.000 And they sell ads, and a few people make a lot of money, but the country suffers. 1.00

00:29:57.000 The idea that we're so divided is such bullshit. 0.99

00:30:02.000 I talk to people from all over the country, travel all over the place. 1.00

00:30:06.000 I understand the issues really intimately.

00:30:08.000 And I don't care what you think about anything.

00:30:11.000 There's something you have to offer me.

00:30:13.000 There's something you have to make my life to enrich me.

00:30:15.000 I don't care what you believe on abortion or guns or certain things.

00:30:19.000 Because if you could teach me how to fix this engine, I'm into it.

00:30:22.000 I want to learn how to do it. 0.96

00:30:23.000 If you can teach me how to exercise better, but you don't like our trade policies, I don't give a shit what you think about our trade policies. 0.96

00:30:28.000 Let's just not even talk about it. 0.95

00:30:29.000 Let's talk about the things, and it's, trying to get to the root of somebody's soul is what we should all be trying to do.

00:30:38.000 Every day.

00:30:39.000 What happened to you that made you think this way?

00:30:42.000 What is the experience?

00:30:43.000 What is your journey? 0.99

00:30:44.000 To me, that's the fascinating shit about human beings. 0.79

00:30:47.000 Well, one of the things about something like cable talk shows or news shows or any of these political arenas is that there's a lack of real interaction with the general public in terms of real conversations with people. 0.95

00:31:06.000 You have a host who's wearing makeup, who's got spotlights on him, and there's a microphone in front of him, and he's talking to his other people, and there's cameras pointed at them, and no one really feels like this is not a normal way of people talking.

00:31:20.000 No, nobody talks like that!

00:31:22.000 And rarely you see someone sit down, and every now and then they have those shows where it's a one-on-one. 0.99

00:31:29.000 Trump will sit across from fucking, what's his name? 0.99

00:31:32.000 What's that dude's name? 1.00

00:31:33.000 Which network?

00:31:34.000 It's a Fox guy.

00:31:35.000 Hannity?

00:31:36.000 No, Dobbs.

00:31:37.000 Dobbs, that guy.

00:31:38.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 Who's hilarious.

00:31:39.000 It's funny watching the two of them together.

00:31:41.000 I mean, Dobbs has lost his mind. 1.00

00:31:43.000 He's just kicking that ass and going... 1.00

00:31:45.000 He is digging way in. 1.00

00:31:48.000 But it works.

00:31:49.000 I used to be on with that guy, the most pleasant guy in the world.

00:31:52.000 But what he's doing, it's a North Korean situation.

00:31:55.000 Lou Dobbs, it's like state media.

00:31:57.000 Every night, it doesn't matter...

00:31:58.000 You know, he shall not be questioned kind of guy.

00:32:01.000 Worship the president.

00:32:02.000 It's like, what are you doing?

00:32:02.000 That's not even...

00:32:03.000 But that's the...

00:32:05.000 I once got into this long, drawn-out argument with Chris Cuomo, who I like a lot.

00:32:09.000 But I was talking to him about, you know, listen, man, the difference between TV and radio, it's simple.

00:32:16.000 On radio, you can have a long-form, you can have a 20-minute to 2-hour conversation, and it's real, and you get a lot done.

00:32:21.000 On TV, you can have a 5-minute conversation.

00:32:24.000 There's so many guests that you have on your show, that I have on my show, they're way more, they have the ability to be thoughtful and nuanced and make points.

00:32:33.000 They can't do that on cable, and now he's doing a radio show, so good for him.

00:32:37.000 Well, that's what I was getting at, is that this separation between the people and then the just unnatural environment that they're in, no one can relate to it.

00:32:46.000 What they can relate to is two people just talking to each other.

00:32:48.000 They can't relate to it, Joe, but they also think, because they're conditioned to, that if it's on a network, this person must be an authority and must be intelligent.

00:32:58.000 But I'm here to tell everybody.

00:33:00.000 I was talking about credit default swaps in the financial industry.

00:33:05.000 I have an associate's degree and came up in the New York City comedy clubs.

00:33:09.000 Like, I really didn't have any business talking about that.

00:33:11.000 But the thing is, I could sound really smart for three and a half minutes on anything.

00:33:17.000 Get me to minute five.

00:33:18.000 I can't go that deep on certain issues.

00:33:20.000 And I shouldn't be an authority on it.

00:33:22.000 But just because I'm on cable news with a jacket and a shirt and I'm this guy, people are like, oh, okay, well, I'll believe this guy.

00:33:30.000 It's not real.

00:33:31.000 It's not real.

00:33:32.000 That's a dying medium, too.

00:33:33.000 I don't think 20, 30 years from now that's going to exist in the same form.

00:33:37.000 Shorter than that.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, and then also the interjection of commercials every seven minutes.

00:33:42.000 The things that they're doing on debates is the same thing they're doing on these other cable talk shows where they're trying to encapsulate these things into these very quick five-minute sound bites.

00:33:52.000 Have you ever heard of Intelligence Squared debates?

00:33:55.000 Yes.

00:33:56.000 My friend John Donovan is the moderator.

00:33:57.000 He should be moderating the presidential debates.

00:33:59.000 He's the greatest guy.

00:34:00.000 They have these really well-informed panelists.

00:34:03.000 They have emotion.

00:34:04.000 And they do like two hours.

00:34:05.000 And you can come in thinking so often one idea about the issue.

00:34:11.000 And you leave thinking something completely different because you have these very smart people debating with an excellent moderator who doesn't let any bullshit, and you really learn a lot.

00:34:20.000 No commercial breaks, and you can, you know, listen to it.

00:34:23.000 Well, even three people is too many people.

00:34:25.000 Probably.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, it is.

00:34:26.000 It's like if you want to get to know someone, it's a one-on-one.

00:34:29.000 Because even with three people, there's moments where you have something to say, and then someone interjects something else, and then you lose your point, and then you don't express it.

00:34:38.000 And then the other person's talking, and you don't know when to talk, and then you find yourself being a little bit more assertive in the way you're talking because you're trying to get your point across.

00:34:45.000 You feel like I'm not talking enough. 0.99

00:34:47.000 And then if there's four people, you're fucked. 0.99

00:34:49.000 The most ridiculous thing they ever do is when they have those seven people panels and one person just starts fucking chiming in and screaming out loud and they talk over people. 0.99

00:35:00.000 But they're also talking about... 0.98

00:35:02.000 Because I had one foot in cable news for a long time.

00:35:05.000 I still do.

00:35:05.000 I mean, I still go on.

00:35:07.000 And then I had my long-form radio show where I would talk to policy experts.

00:35:11.000 Right now, when they're talking about the polls for the presidential race, anybody that's paying attention to that is wasting their time.

00:35:20.000 It's a complete waste of time to talk about who's leading in what poll a year away.

00:35:25.000 It's a year away.

00:35:26.000 You could have a terrorist attack.

00:35:27.000 You could have the economy crack.

00:35:28.000 People like it for a game.

00:35:29.000 It's not a game!

00:35:30.000 Okay, but it is a game.

00:35:31.000 If you're watching basketball, do you not pay attention to the first minute of the game?

00:35:35.000 Because it doesn't really matter.

00:35:36.000 What's really important is how many points are scored over the four quarters.

00:35:39.000 Is there four quarters?

00:35:40.000 Of a basketball game?

00:35:41.000 I think there might be two halves.

00:35:42.000 College or pro.

00:35:44.000 But the point is...

00:35:46.000 This is a weird game going on. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Kamala Harris was ahead and now she's fucked. 1.00

00:35:50.000 This is fun. 1.00

00:35:51.000 It's fun for people.

00:35:52.000 This is half of what it is.

00:35:54.000 I know it's serious.

00:35:55.000 I know it's significant.

00:35:56.000 I know there's grave consequences to picking the wrong leader.

00:35:58.000 But this is a game. 1.00

00:36:00.000 Right, but it's a bullshit game because as you said earlier, the reason why Kamala Harris or anybody else takes a step backwards is because one stupid moment. 1.00

00:36:08.000 And how are we possibly picking somebody on one? 1.00

00:36:10.000 Not necessarily.

00:36:10.000 With Kamala Harris, there's a bunch of different issues.

00:36:12.000 Sure.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, but Howard Dean.

00:36:15.000 Come on! 0.61

00:36:16.000 I mean, have you listened to that?

00:36:18.000 It never gets old.

00:36:19.000 Never ever!

00:36:21.000 But it is weird that this day and age that that crashed him.

00:36:25.000 Given everything that all these other candidates have done and said.

00:36:28.000 Yeah, but honestly, there's probably something else.

00:36:32.000 It's how he responded to that as well.

00:36:34.000 It's like he showed a lack of humility or understanding of what it was. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Like, yeah, I sounded stupid. 0.99

00:36:40.000 That's not what's important, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

00:36:42.000 Yeah, I screamed out. 0.86

00:36:43.000 Like, when you got a microphone on me, and I get excited, I go, yeah!

00:36:48.000 I mean, you can also talk just about the ego of the people who are running for these offices.

00:36:53.000 And they don't seem to have an understanding of the idea of ego and what it means and how they should try to separate from it while using it.

00:37:02.000 Like, once you get into politics, much less entertainment, and you get really well-known and famous, you start believing things about yourself that aren't even remotely true.

00:37:12.000 There's certainly some of that, right?

00:37:14.000 Huh?

00:37:14.000 There's certainly some of that.

00:37:15.000 I feel like they all have that.

00:37:17.000 You're protecting yourself, right?

00:37:18.000 You have an image, you're protecting yourself.

00:37:20.000 Yeah, it's a delicate dance that I am completely turned off by.

00:37:25.000 I mean, that's why it's hard to think about...

00:37:28.000 I was seriously considering running for Congress.

00:37:32.000 You were or are? 0.99

00:37:34.000 It's hard right now because I learned some crazy shit. 0.99

00:37:38.000 What'd you learn? 0.99

00:37:41.000 First of all...

00:37:42.000 Drumroll, please.

00:37:45.000 The corruption...

00:37:46.000 I live in New York State.

00:37:47.000 Wait a minute.

00:37:48.000 New York State's not corrupt.

00:37:49.000 The New York State... 1.00

00:37:50.000 Stop the fucking... 1.00

00:37:51.000 Stop this show. 1.00

00:37:53.000 All of politics, there's levels of corruption.

00:37:56.000 But in the New York State Democratic Party, there's always been all kinds of issues.

00:38:00.000 So I met with a whole bunch of really smart people about running for New York 17, which is the district that I live in.

00:38:07.000 Like, the day after I lost my gig at Sirius, the woman who had been representing that district for 33 years announced that she was retiring.

00:38:13.000 And I was like, well...

00:38:15.000 I got nothing going on.

00:38:17.000 And I've always thought about running for office.

00:38:20.000 And let me seriously consider it.

00:38:22.000 I reached out to a whole bunch of people from all different walks of life.

00:38:26.000 Congressmen that were in office, that had been out of office, campaign coordinators.

00:38:32.000 I talked to Chris Cuomo.

00:38:33.000 I talked to a whole bunch of people.

00:38:34.000 But there's...

00:38:35.000 One person told me that if you want to win, regardless of your party affiliation, you have to, there's a certain special interest group that you had to promise you wouldn't interfere with and make sure they got an envelope of cash.

00:38:51.000 And I'm like, well, I'm not doing that.

00:38:53.000 I will tell everybody and everywhere I go about that.

00:38:57.000 What is it?

00:38:57.000 I can't because I don't have a second source, so I wouldn't say it.

00:39:00.000 But I'm trying to get one to prove that it's true.

00:39:03.000 What does it rhyme with?

00:39:04.000 The special interest group won't do it because everybody will know.

00:39:09.000 Everybody will know.

00:39:10.000 And it's dangerous.

00:39:11.000 But the point is...

00:39:12.000 What's the opposite of that special interest group?

00:39:19.000 Maybe the private sector.

00:39:21.000 Right, but what would be the thing that they're opposed to?

00:39:27.000 What would it be that they're opposed to?

00:39:29.000 You interfering with the way that they run their show.

00:39:34.000 Right, right, right.

00:39:34.000 But I'm saying what group that we know...

00:39:38.000 I could tell you it could be a religious group, a private sector, a union, or a company, a corporate interest.

00:39:45.000 It could be any one of those.

00:39:47.000 ACLU? No.

00:39:48.000 The point is that all of those types of organizations pressure You have to...

00:39:55.000 I'm an honest guy.

00:39:57.000 I can't lie.

00:39:58.000 I've never said anything into a microphone that I don't believe.

00:40:01.000 And that's been both to my detriment and to my benefit, I think.

00:40:04.000 I'm authentic.

00:40:05.000 So when I was talking about running for office, my brother's like, you can't lie.

00:40:08.000 You can't be dishonest to people.

00:40:10.000 How are you going to do that?

00:40:11.000 You'll have to sell out at least a little bit.

00:40:13.000 That was the other thing.

00:40:15.000 And then I realized...

00:40:16.000 I'm not sure that this district or the country is ready for someone like me.

00:40:21.000 I'm a comic.

00:40:22.000 I've said a billion things on TV and to a microphone and on stage, and we're in a humorless country right now, number one.

00:40:29.000 I smoke pot.

00:40:30.000 Are they ready?

00:40:31.000 Are we there yet?

00:40:33.000 I don't think we're humorless.

00:40:35.000 I disagree.

00:40:36.000 I think there's a lot of criticism going on, but that's because there's a lot of voices.

00:40:40.000 Do you think, I agree with you overall, but I mean for politicians, for me to run for office, and you see some stand-up bit I did, and then my opponent's playing that out of context.

00:40:50.000 Dude, I got five words for you. 1.00

00:40:52.000 Grab them by the pussy. 1.00

00:40:54.000 That guy's the president. 1.00

00:40:55.000 I think he is an aberration.

00:40:58.000 I do.

00:40:58.000 I don't think there's anything else that can get away with that kind of stuff.

00:41:01.000 I think you're probably right.

00:41:03.000 He's definitely an aberration.

00:41:06.000 Al Franken won as a senator, as a comedian, but he was a writer.

00:41:08.000 There wasn't a ton, and he got in trouble when there was a photo of him.

00:41:12.000 Well, it's more than a photo.

00:41:14.000 All the allegations, but the We're good to go.

00:41:46.000 First of all, you've got to raise a million dollars from people and individuals you don't like, you don't want to be affiliated with, but you have to.

00:41:55.000 You've got to make them promises.

00:41:57.000 The whole system is so filled and corrupted with money in almost every district and every state, regardless of the office.

00:42:05.000 How does a person, I'm a fairly affluent guy, I'm a white straight guy, whatever, but I don't know how I can afford to apply for a job for a year and pay my mortgage.

00:42:17.000 So I want to do it if it looks feasible and if I don't have to take care of my family, my parents, not to mention pay my bills.

00:42:26.000 But you have to be an independently wealthy person, which sucks because it makes it much harder for regular people, there's plenty of exceptions, to run for office.

00:42:37.000 Now, when you say that you had to give them an envelope and that you had to, what did you have to do?

00:42:45.000 Did you have to support them?

00:42:46.000 Through intermediaries.

00:42:47.000 You have to basically say, I'm not going to interfere with With your business.

00:42:53.000 We'll just look the other way.

00:42:55.000 You had to say that.

00:42:56.000 That's what I'm told.

00:42:57.000 That was what I was told by a guy.

00:42:59.000 How are you told this?

00:43:00.000 Are you told this like, hey, if you ever want to be congressman, you have to do this.

00:43:05.000 You don't have to, but if you want to win, you're far more likely to win if you pay off these.

00:43:10.000 Far more likely.

00:43:11.000 It's not impossible, but they'll try to destroy you if you don't.

00:43:15.000 Really?

00:43:15.000 Yeah, and I can't...

00:43:16.000 It's like, Joe...

00:43:17.000 They'll just go after you. 0.99

00:43:18.000 You can destroy...

00:43:19.000 If it's just me...

00:43:20.000 Why can't you say who this is?

00:43:22.000 Only because I don't know if it's positively true.

00:43:25.000 I need another source.

00:43:26.000 I try to act like a journalist.

00:43:27.000 And someone who's the intermediary, like what kind of person is this?

00:43:30.000 He manages campaigns in that district.

00:43:32.000 He knows everything about the politics of and the special interests in that district.

00:43:36.000 So it could potentially be that he's hoeing you out. 0.71

00:43:39.000 Absolutely.

00:43:39.000 Which is why I won't tell you.

00:43:40.000 Because he's saying that so that he's sort of playing both sides.

00:43:45.000 No, he wanted me to run and he wants...

00:43:47.000 Sure, I'm sure he did.

00:43:48.000 But he might also want to maintain his relationship with whatever group this is.

00:43:52.000 So he says, hey, I've gotten assurance...

00:43:56.000 Knowing this guy, I don't think he's affiliated with that group, but it's possible.

00:44:01.000 And so I try to have journalistic ethics before I would say something.

00:44:06.000 I'll tell you off the mic.

00:44:07.000 Okay.

00:44:08.000 Can't wait for the show to be over.

00:44:09.000 But I wouldn't say, without having a second source, that's what's irresponsible about so much of our media.

00:44:14.000 Right.

00:44:15.000 Like when Trump or anybody says fake news, it's like, listen, it's not.

00:44:19.000 You have to have two sources.

00:44:21.000 You go to your editor with those two sources, and then you can print it.

00:44:24.000 You can't make them up.

00:44:25.000 If you make up a source, you're like Mencia.

00:44:29.000 That's it.

00:44:30.000 You're done.

00:44:31.000 That's like stealing a joke.

00:44:32.000 You can't make up a source.

00:44:33.000 You'll never work again. 1.00

00:44:34.000 It would be a stupid thing to do. 1.00

00:44:36.000 Well, I think it's even worse when you make up a joke. 1.00

00:44:38.000 I mean, if you make up a source, you literally can't work.

00:44:42.000 Mencia is still working.

00:44:43.000 Fair enough.

00:44:44.000 People do work after they steal jokes.

00:44:46.000 Journalism and comedians are a lot different.

00:44:48.000 I mean, it's the worst.

00:44:50.000 If someone finds out you're making up a source...

00:44:53.000 Nobody does it.

00:44:54.000 In the few instances where someone did make up a source or even plagiarize, which are the two worst things you can do as a journalist, they never work again.

00:45:01.000 Or they don't work for a very long time.

00:45:03.000 You know, Johan Hari...

00:45:05.000 He's been on your show.

00:45:05.000 He's been on my show.

00:45:06.000 He was accused of some, I think it was plagiarism, and it took him a really long time to win his integrity back.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, I didn't find that out actually until after he'd been on the show the second time.

00:45:18.000 Great guy.

00:45:19.000 He's a great guy, but what was he accused of?

00:45:21.000 I don't remember.

00:45:22.000 I feel like it might have been plagiarism though.

00:45:25.000 And that kind of thing, the point is, that kind of thing ruins you.

00:45:29.000 And so I wouldn't come here and do that even though I don't I wouldn't call myself a journalist, but I would want, because of what you're saying, because you're smart, I'm very skeptical too of people and their source and what their interests are, and a lot of people really want me to run for Congress for a lot of different reasons,

00:45:44.000 but mainly because they think I can tap my network of wealthy people and, you know, they can make money.

00:45:49.000 Love Trump or hate Trump, that is precisely what he was talking about when he said drain the swamp.

00:45:55.000 Now, this is the swamp, this sort of convoluted world of influence.

00:46:01.000 Well, yes and no.

00:46:01.000 The swamp...

00:46:02.000 Yeah, but it's also money and all the other things that he didn't drain, and he actually brought in people that were...

00:46:08.000 He made the swamp.

00:46:09.000 Swampier.

00:46:10.000 It's filled with malaria and crocodiles.

00:46:14.000 We don't even define things, unfortunately.

00:46:16.000 We don't have the same baseline, unfortunately, in this country of what words mean.

00:46:20.000 But I've always thought what that meant was government corruption, that the private sector is influencing government.

00:46:28.000 And the way that they obviously do it, the system that we have, is you have to get money.

00:46:33.000 From wealthy people and wealthy interests.

00:46:35.000 And then you have to advocate for them.

00:46:37.000 Whatever the interest is, you have to, or they won't give you more money.

00:46:40.000 And so that's what's beautiful about Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

00:46:43.000 They are not allowing any donations from any super PACs, from any wealthy individuals.

00:46:50.000 It's grassroots.

00:46:52.000 I think Tulsi's doing that as well.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, a handful of them are.

00:46:54.000 The whole Democratic Party mostly committed to it.

00:46:57.000 I don't think Biden's doing it.

00:46:59.000 If Biden was doing it, I don't think he remembers.

00:47:02.000 I totally agree with that, by the way.

00:47:04.000 Dude's out.

00:47:05.000 Well, listen, I don't think you should be running for president if you're 75. I think the same about Trump and Bernie and Biden.

00:47:11.000 All three of them are old.

00:47:12.000 Some people are 75 and they're very lucid.

00:47:15.000 My dad is in the best shape of any man I know.

00:47:18.000 Dude just had a heart attack.

00:47:19.000 Bernie Sanders just had a heart attack. 1.00

00:47:21.000 When you get older, especially as a man, shit breaks down. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Yeah, but it's like, who has the energy? 0.99

00:47:27.000 Plus, I just think younger people, like, just have more of an actual interest and understanding of what's happening.

00:47:32.000 That's why Andrew Yang is so attractive.

00:47:33.000 Yes.

00:47:33.000 Yeah.

00:47:34.000 No, I agree with that.

00:47:35.000 But I think that there's, I mean, it depends entirely on the individual.

00:47:40.000 There's 75-year-olds that are healthy and there's 75-year-olds that are not.

00:47:43.000 I disagree. 0.99

00:47:44.000 Because you could be the healthiest 75-year-old in the world, did everything right, and then shit can just shut down because you're 75. Your body's just old. 1.00

00:47:52.000 It's possible, but...

00:47:54.000 It's far more...

00:47:54.000 The actuary possibilities are just far higher.

00:47:57.000 But you're balancing things out, right?

00:48:00.000 You also have wisdom and experience and education and understanding of the life.

00:48:02.000 So go consult a younger person.

00:48:04.000 Maybe.

00:48:05.000 I mean, Bernie Sanders is one of my heroes, but I want him to just endorse Elizabeth Warren and get it over with.

00:48:10.000 Well, first of all... 0.97

00:48:12.000 Being a president is a ridiculous proposition, period. 0.99

00:48:14.000 And it's an antiquated idea to have one alpha that runs this whole fucking show. 0.99

00:48:20.000 It's a great idea when there's 50 people in a trial. 0.95

00:48:23.000 Yes, I have a chief, but not a president of 330 million people that is an outsized influence and a bully pulpit, and then we have this reverence for them.

00:48:35.000 And this defense of them, or this attacking of their every move, their every character, and it's just such an easy thing to dunk on them, and it's just tiresome to me.

00:48:45.000 I agree with you.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, it's unhealthy for the country, too.

00:48:48.000 It's unhealthy for all of us.

00:48:49.000 It's unhealthy for our souls every single day, especially, like, the thing that you miss about pre-Trump, whoever it was, Republican or Democrat, like, remember when you used to have weekends?

00:49:00.000 Like, you could relax on the weekend.

00:49:02.000 No politics.

00:49:02.000 But that's internet, though.

00:49:04.000 You're right.

00:49:04.000 There's a lot of that.

00:49:05.000 Have you seen Trump's religious advisor?

00:49:07.000 Yes.

00:49:08.000 How wonderful is that?

00:49:09.000 She, the woman who says, if you don't support Trump, you're going against God?

00:49:15.000 Yes.

00:49:16.000 Can we play any of that?

00:49:19.000 I don't think so.

00:49:20.000 It's not that video I don't think we can play.

00:49:22.000 Too bad.

00:49:24.000 I can do it, I think.

00:49:26.000 If you don't support President Trump, then you are going against God!

00:49:32.000 And it's like, I'm not going against God.

00:49:34.000 Those people are so effective.

00:49:39.000 I think comics can really relate to them.

00:49:41.000 They're so good at performing.

00:49:43.000 And so conventionally.

00:49:45.000 Yeah.

00:49:46.000 And if you...

00:49:47.000 No, Kinison was one of those.

00:49:48.000 Right, right.

00:49:49.000 He was a preacher.

00:49:49.000 Right.

00:49:50.000 He's one of the...

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 Who turned into a comic.

00:49:53.000 He had that skill set.

00:49:54.000 Trump is the same way.

00:49:55.000 The way he stalks the stage and works the audience.

00:49:57.000 I mean, it's very, very effective.

00:49:59.000 But it's also...

00:50:00.000 To say...

00:50:01.000 That if you don't support a certain politician, to me that stuff is so, it's very boring. 1.00

00:50:08.000 Come on, this binary bullshit. 1.00

00:50:10.000 But she's a horseshit artist no matter what. 1.00

00:50:13.000 I mean, that's what she does. 1.00

00:50:14.000 She's trying to get low-frequency people. 1.00

00:50:17.000 She catches these nine-volt brains.

00:50:19.000 Nine-volt brains!

00:50:21.000 New advisor, ratchets up rhetoric, denounces demonic networks opposing President's calling. 0.88

00:50:28.000 Demonic!

00:50:28.000 She's wonderful.

00:50:29.000 I bet that lady does coke, and I bet she likes it right in the booty. 1.00

00:50:32.000 I think that every time you see...

00:50:35.000 I bet she parties.

00:50:35.000 Every time you see one of these people...

00:50:37.000 I just have a knee-jerk reaction.

00:50:39.000 When I see a Catholic priest, I'm like...

00:50:41.000 Oh, yeah!

00:50:41.000 When I see one of these people, I'm like, they're completely contradicting.

00:50:45.000 You know, these gay conversion people that have come out... 0.99

00:50:49.000 Pray the gay away. 1.00

00:50:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:50:50.000 They're banging guys. 0.99

00:50:51.000 Oh, hell, all the time. 0.74

00:50:52.000 All the time.

00:50:52.000 You remember Ted Haggard?

00:50:54.000 Do I? I massaged him.

00:50:55.000 I'll bet you did.

00:50:56.000 Well paid.

00:50:57.000 With meth or no?

00:50:58.000 Smooth skin.

00:50:59.000 Yeah, of course.

00:50:59.000 I would never massage Ted Haggard without meth.

00:51:01.000 Really?

00:51:02.000 He blocked me on Twitter.

00:51:05.000 That's quite an accolade.

00:51:07.000 I forget what he said.

00:51:09.000 He said something like, after Sunday service, what should we do? 0.97

00:51:16.000 And I said, how about meth and blowjobs? 0.99

00:51:17.000 And that was it. 0.98

00:51:18.000 Boom.

00:51:19.000 That's actually what they do.

00:51:21.000 It's a joke, but it's also probably what...

00:51:23.000 He seemed like such a nice guy, too.

00:51:25.000 But it's so sad, too.

00:51:27.000 Not really, though.

00:51:28.000 Did you ever see the thing with him and Dawkins, when he got really nasty with Dawkins?

00:51:32.000 Yeah, well...

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 That was before he actually got in trouble, too.

00:51:36.000 That was when he was running a whole arena filled with...

00:51:39.000 Back to ego.

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 When you think so much of you and your ideas, and you come up, in that case, Ted Haggard versus Richard Dawkins is like Mike Tyson versus...

00:51:49.000 A baby.

00:51:50.000 Something lower.

00:51:52.000 Something much lower.

00:51:53.000 A fetus. 1.00

00:51:55.000 And there's no match, and so you're going to lose your shit. 1.00

00:51:58.000 I love those debates on... 1.00

00:52:01.000 But it's also, he's frustrated that, you know, Dawkins has an arrogance about him, you know?

00:52:07.000 Yeah, scientists tend to...

00:52:09.000 Yeah, but he does, specifically and particularly.

00:52:12.000 Well, I had him in here recently, and he was talking about life after death, that he thinks, the lights just go out.

00:52:18.000 And I'm like, well...

00:52:20.000 Maybe.

00:52:20.000 But we don't know.

00:52:21.000 What do you think?

00:52:21.000 We don't know.

00:52:22.000 I don't think.

00:52:23.000 I don't have any experience with what happens when you die.

00:52:25.000 I really have no idea.

00:52:27.000 It would be very interesting if there was some sort of dimensional travel thing that happens to the spirit or the soul or whatever this concept of consciousness is.

00:52:37.000 How much have...

00:52:39.000 Do you think about your mortality on a regular?

00:52:42.000 I try not to.

00:52:43.000 It doesn't do any good.

00:52:44.000 Right.

00:52:45.000 But when it comes in, what do you do?

00:52:47.000 You know, I try to be nice to the people I know.

00:52:50.000 Try to be kind to the people that I care about.

00:52:53.000 That's an interesting answer when I say, when you think about your own death, what do you do?

00:52:56.000 I just try to be a good person.

00:52:58.000 I love that.

00:52:59.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:53:00.000 While I'm here, I want as little bad feelings as possible.

00:53:05.000 It's impossible to have no bad feelings.

00:53:08.000 So, whatever...

00:53:10.000 I can do to mitigate that.

00:53:13.000 I try.

00:53:14.000 How have you worked on your anger and had that dissipate?

00:53:18.000 What's the best thing?

00:53:19.000 Exercise.

00:53:20.000 For you?

00:53:21.000 Exercise is the big one.

00:53:22.000 Yeah, because I think a lot of my anger is just caveman genetics. 0.99

00:53:26.000 And then a fucked up childhood, too. 0.99

00:53:28.000 Growing up in a violent household and being around a lot of violence. 0.99

00:53:33.000 I also had to deal with...

00:53:36.000 I grew up essentially all throughout high school until I was 22 fighting.

00:53:40.000 So I was always involved with violence.

00:53:42.000 As an outlet for your emotions.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:45.000 Well, it was also developed my human potential.

00:53:48.000 It was martial arts.

00:53:49.000 It was competition.

00:53:50.000 But it's also – there's a downside of that, that I grew up – Like, being praised for explosive violence.

00:54:00.000 That's wrong.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, I mean, it was in competition.

00:54:03.000 It was agreed upon.

00:54:04.000 I was doing it with other trained killers.

00:54:07.000 But it's still...

00:54:08.000 That's a weird thing to get past.

00:54:11.000 I... Yeah, I have an example of, I mean, I'm sure you have a billion of them, I didn't mean to cut you off, but when my daughter was like three years old, we're visiting family, people I don't really know, my wife's family, and his five-year-old son goes over, my daughter's just looking up at the TV,

00:54:26.000 this little three-year-old girl, and he comes over and he just clocks her, knocks her over.

00:54:31.000 And we're all like, oh my god, what? 0.99

00:54:33.000 And the dad comes over and just starts beating the shit out of his five-year-old. 0.99

00:54:37.000 And I just start screaming. 0.99

00:54:38.000 I'm like, that's why he did it!

00:54:39.000 That's why he did it!

00:54:41.000 You learn what you live.

00:54:44.000 And children learn what they live.

00:54:48.000 But what you're saying, when you train, when you exercise, are there feelings, are there emotions coming out?

00:54:54.000 Or is it...

00:54:55.000 Energy that you're just expending.

00:54:57.000 Energy.

00:54:58.000 You're not thinking about when you're...

00:54:59.000 No, no.

00:54:59.000 I'm not like angry at my child or anything when I'm hitting the bag.

00:55:03.000 No, I'm just exercising.

00:55:04.000 Also...

00:55:04.000 When I'm running or doing yoga or anything I'm doing, it's strenuous.

00:55:09.000 I just had this conversation with Ben Westhoff, who's on here before you, and the way I described it is I think that a human body has a certain amount of physical requirements.

00:55:18.000 I think there's...

00:55:19.000 Right.

00:55:19.000 Your body's a system, and this system is designed through nature and natural selection and...

00:55:25.000 Hundreds of thousands of years of being human beings to have issues that come up and to be physically prepared to deal with those issues, whether it's a neighboring tribe invades you or an animal's trying to attack you or you're just trying to hunt and gather food.

00:55:40.000 All those things are built into our system and it takes tens of thousands of years for that DNA to shift and change and become something different.

00:55:46.000 So we have a certain amount of physical requirements that we're just born with and it's different with every person.

00:55:52.000 Some people have less, some people have more.

00:55:54.000 I tend to be on the high side.

00:55:55.000 And I'm a different person when I exercise.

00:55:58.000 I'm a different person when I get time to sleep correctly and eat correctly and exercise.

00:56:03.000 I'm different.

00:56:04.000 And I like that person better.

00:56:05.000 That's a nicer person.

00:56:06.000 I like that guy better.

00:56:07.000 So I try to be that guy as much as I can.

00:56:10.000 But I have a million different people living inside my brain all the time, bouncing around, fighting for dominance.

00:56:16.000 Really?

00:56:16.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 It's like there's a director.

00:56:17.000 They try to keep them all in order, which is like the consciousness.

00:56:21.000 Like...

00:56:23.000 Is that a struggle?

00:56:24.000 Every day?

00:56:25.000 Everybody has it.

00:56:26.000 There's always things.

00:56:27.000 Like, you're a better person when you're well-rested, life is going well.

00:56:31.000 For sure.

00:56:32.000 You had great interactions with your family, great interactions with your friends, and then you run into someone on the street. 0.52

00:56:38.000 Versus, you just got fired from your job, you walked in and your wife's sucking the plumber off. 0.98

00:56:42.000 You have all these things go wrong. 0.91

00:56:44.000 All that happened to me just now, by the way.

00:56:45.000 All those things can happen.

00:56:46.000 I lose my job, I go home, there's my wife with the plumber.

00:56:49.000 You are a different person.

00:56:50.000 Dependent upon what...

00:56:51.000 What you encounter in your life.

00:56:54.000 I completely agree with that, but it's a practice.

00:56:58.000 I like that word.

00:56:58.000 And you have to practice it every day.

00:57:01.000 You're not going to fix it.

00:57:04.000 You're not just going to get better.

00:57:05.000 You're just going to get better at forming the good habits.

00:57:08.000 What about therapy?

00:57:09.000 I don't do that.

00:57:10.000 Never did?

00:57:11.000 No, but I do get in an isolation tank.

00:57:13.000 I've done a lot of psychedelics.

00:57:15.000 I was going to ask you about that.

00:57:16.000 I'm thinking about trying that.

00:57:17.000 You should.

00:57:17.000 I feel like that's been a big pot of your life.

00:57:20.000 Want to do it right now?

00:57:20.000 What do you want to do?

00:57:21.000 Yeah, right now.

00:57:22.000 Have you ever done mushrooms?

00:57:23.000 No, but I can't.

00:57:24.000 You can't?

00:57:25.000 I mean, I would like to.

00:57:26.000 If I do it, I want to do it with you for sure.

00:57:27.000 Okay.

00:57:28.000 But I got a long night ahead of me, I think.

00:57:30.000 Oh, what are you doing tonight?

00:57:31.000 I have, like, family.

00:57:33.000 Oh.

00:57:33.000 I haven't seen in a long time that they're begging me.

00:57:35.000 Yeah, you don't want to be tripping balls. 0.94

00:57:36.000 I probably don't want to. 0.96

00:57:37.000 Oh, microdose.

00:57:39.000 Microdose is not a bad way to get through a day.

00:57:40.000 Can you drive with it?

00:57:42.000 Oh, I wouldn't recommend it.

00:57:43.000 Yeah, I don't know where I am.

00:57:45.000 I got a rental car.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:46.000 I really want to do it.

00:57:47.000 I'm ready for it, but I feel like I need...

00:57:49.000 You've done nothing?

00:57:49.000 Huh?

00:57:50.000 You've done nothing?

00:57:51.000 No, I mean, weed every day.

00:57:52.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.000 That's been my saving grace.

00:57:55.000 Yeah, you got any of those Kevin Smiths?

00:57:57.000 No, I don't want to smoke...

00:57:59.000 We can smoke a little weed.

00:58:00.000 ...on the show because I feel like it makes me verbose.

00:58:04.000 Well, you're already verbose.

00:58:05.000 You talk for a living.

00:58:06.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:58:07.000 But it makes me even worse.

00:58:09.000 What happened to this one?

00:58:12.000 Don't worry about it.

00:58:13.000 We can do it.

00:58:13.000 Or towards the end.

00:58:14.000 Whatever.

00:58:16.000 Yeah, but for me, my brother was in rehab when I was 16. He was 18. I love that you're scanning the room.

00:58:22.000 Where's those Kevin Smith joints we have on the table?

00:58:25.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:27.000 What's that right there?

00:58:28.000 That little tube right there, Jamie?

00:58:30.000 That's hilarious.

00:58:31.000 There's just stuff everywhere.

00:58:32.000 What's that?

00:58:33.000 Oh, there's one.

00:58:34.000 What is this?

00:58:34.000 This ashtray filled with treasures.

00:58:39.000 But I didn't touch any alcohol or drugs until I was like 25. My brother was in rehab.

00:58:45.000 We had to do an intervention.

00:58:46.000 It was nuts.

00:58:47.000 And I was like, I knew I wanted to be a comic.

00:58:49.000 And I thought that if I did anything, it would affect me.

00:58:54.000 It would distract me. 1.00

00:58:55.000 Make you a loser. 1.00

00:58:56.000 No, no. 0.99

00:58:56.000 It would just make me pursue that and not... 0.99

00:58:59.000 My dreams.

00:59:00.000 This is the other thing, like, if I take a hit off this and I still want to run for Congress, like, it shouldn't matter.

00:59:08.000 This is how I deal.

00:59:10.000 Well, it's legal.

00:59:10.000 It's no different than having a drink.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, of course.

00:59:13.000 It's preposterous to judge, but people do.

00:59:17.000 Yeah, but I think the generation that's coming up will judge less.

00:59:20.000 The generation after them will judge less.

00:59:22.000 And it's just, we're living with the echoes of reefer madness, right?

00:59:25.000 We're living with Harry Anslinger and William Randolph's Hearst work in the 1930s.

00:59:30.000 Look them up, everybody.

00:59:31.000 Look them up.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, no doubt.

00:59:33.000 But I think that you say they're the echoes, and I think they're pretty loud.

00:59:40.000 Certainly pretty loud in certain parts of the country.

00:59:44.000 Yeah.

00:59:45.000 Well, the good thing about being a congressman is you're representing a district, right?

00:59:49.000 One of the guys I've become really good friends with, he was a Republican congressman.

00:59:53.000 His name is Trey Radel.

00:59:54.000 That's a good name.

00:59:55.000 He got kicked out of Congress for buying cocaine from a Fed.

01:00:02.000 You remember that?

01:00:03.000 No, I don't.

01:00:04.000 It was like three years ago.

01:00:05.000 I don't pay that much attention to politics.

01:00:07.000 I think politics is like baseball. 0.99

01:00:10.000 Some people just watch the World Series, and some people watch college and look at fucking first-round draft picks. 0.99

01:00:17.000 I'm addicted to it. 0.99

01:00:18.000 I was.

01:00:19.000 That's another nice thing, not having to be live every day and not having to know every single step of everything going on, because you realize that you're a very small minority of people.

01:00:28.000 When you found out that thing, when you were told that thing by that guy...

01:00:31.000 Let me just make sure this doesn't go to waste, Jimmy.

01:00:33.000 It won't.

01:00:34.000 There's plenty of it.

01:00:35.000 When you were told that thing about the guy who was, you know, the congressman job, you know, that you were going to have to play ball.

01:00:44.000 Was that...

01:00:45.000 Did you feel like...

01:00:47.000 Let down?

01:00:48.000 Yeah, like almost like, okay, I've been promoting a rigged game.

01:00:54.000 No, I know how well...

01:00:55.000 I know intimately how rigged the game is.

01:00:58.000 It's just that you don't always know where and who the players are.

01:01:01.000 I mean, I've done enough.

01:01:03.000 Right, but isn't it...

01:01:04.000 You're an honest person. 0.97

01:01:05.000 You're not a bullshit artist. 0.96

01:01:08.000 I hope everybody thinks that. 0.99

01:01:10.000 I do.

01:01:11.000 So if you're... 1.00

01:01:13.000 A part of a bullshit system, right? 1.00

01:01:16.000 It's almost like you can't. 1.00

01:01:17.000 To be who you are, you almost like can't be a congressperson.

01:01:20.000 You just nailed it.

01:01:21.000 What you just said almost made me want to cry.

01:01:24.000 Don't cry.

01:01:24.000 Because, well, I get very emotional when someone pings a truth.

01:01:29.000 That's what happens to me.

01:01:31.000 I'm like, Jesus, I can't believe he just said that. 0.98

01:01:33.000 My brother, who's my moral compass, my older brother, is this radical, like, ridiculous, radically different person. 0.98

01:01:43.000 He's like... 0.96

01:01:44.000 I said just what you said right before I came over here because the problem with you running is that do you really buy in to this corrupt system?

01:01:53.000 And I think because I'm such an optimist and such a positive thinking person, I've convinced myself and that I do know a lot of people in Congress, know them personally and intimately and I know a lot of people that work in government that I really admire.

01:02:07.000 But the system, it's not the people as much as the system, but I also think that the way, I don't want to talk about it in a way that exonerates the public.

01:02:19.000 Like, we have to not be apathetic.

01:02:22.000 That's what my show's always been about.

01:02:24.000 It wasn't always a confusing title, Stand Up, because I'm a comic, but it meant stand up for something.

01:02:28.000 It meant care about something.

01:02:31.000 You don't have to be a full-time activist, but don't be...

01:02:33.000 Don't be apathetic.

01:02:34.000 The United States of apathy.

01:02:36.000 We can't sit here and blame the systems that we are complicit in. 1.00

01:02:40.000 Watch this fucking every weekend in Hong Kong. 0.99

01:02:44.000 Every weekend they stand up for their democracy. 1.00

01:02:49.000 They've been doing it for months.

01:02:49.000 Right.

01:02:50.000 That's the biggest story.

01:02:52.000 It'll be the biggest story of 2019 and maybe the decade because they are fighting off China. 1.00

01:02:59.000 It's unbelievable.

01:03:00.000 Meanwhile...

01:03:01.000 I just feel like we're just so comfortable.

01:03:05.000 And Hong Kong used to be a part of Great Britain, right?

01:03:09.000 Yeah.

01:03:10.000 Until, like, what?

01:03:11.000 90-something, when they had to give it back after, like, it was a 100-year agreement or something like that.

01:03:16.000 Which is so crazy.

01:03:17.000 But China's like, listen... 0.94

01:03:19.000 We're not going to bother you.

01:03:21.000 You can keep doing what you're doing.

01:03:22.000 And then they started bothering them.

01:03:25.000 And they said, no, we're going to, you're ours now, now behave.

01:03:27.000 Because they had so much more power and leverage.

01:03:30.000 And then human beings stood up.

01:03:33.000 Now they're doing it in Chile.

01:03:35.000 And now they're doing it in Iraq.

01:03:36.000 People are protesting and they're getting shot.

01:03:38.000 The greatest thing that I was ever a part of in media was probably, well, there was a lot of good things, but CNN and SiriusXM's coverage of the Egyptian revolution. 0.96

01:03:48.000 It was a Fucking amazing! 0.64

01:03:50.000 And that was something that was organized by social media, essentially. 0.96

01:03:53.000 Exactly.

01:03:54.000 Same thing in Iran and the Green Revolution in 2009. What's interesting to me about this whole Hong Kong thing is that they're being introduced to the government of China over the last few decades.

01:04:07.000 That this was something they were separated from.

01:04:10.000 And then all of a sudden they become property of China again, essentially, right? 0.93

01:04:15.000 And so then you're seeing this thing where they become accustomed to the British way of things, the original Hong Kong way of doing things, and then things shift over.

01:04:26.000 It's a really unique moment of protest because it's very rare that you see the actual government of a country shift the way it has in Hong Kong.

01:04:37.000 Correct me if I'm wrong.

01:04:38.000 Well, I don't profess to be an expert in revolution, but this is what the conversation is about right now.

01:04:46.000 It's watching people in other parts of the world going out in the streets, risking their lives, literally.

01:04:53.000 And meanwhile, in America, what is it that will get us...

01:04:59.000 Unified and out in the streets.

01:05:01.000 What is that issue?

01:05:02.000 Well, things get us unified, particularly disasters.

01:05:05.000 Yeah, of course.

01:05:06.000 9-11, I was in New York.

01:05:07.000 What I'm saying about the, yeah, that was a big one, right?

01:05:09.000 I have a billion stories.

01:05:10.000 A huge shift in the way people communicate.

01:05:12.000 A billion stories.

01:05:13.000 What I'm saying, though, is we've never seen, in our time, we've never seen a government shift over.

01:05:20.000 Right?

01:05:21.000 You've never seen that kind of a shift where a free, democratic, sort of western way of running things all of a sudden shifts over.

01:05:30.000 And because of that, I think the resistance to it is very unique.

01:05:36.000 I think if you studied the British colonization of the world, there would be a lot of that.

01:05:41.000 I think that's what we're talking about, literally, because it was Britain.

01:05:44.000 And then, I can't speak to the specifics of the history of that, but what you're bringing up is a fascinating question that I'd love to get to the bottom of, and there's probably a billion people who would be so good on it.

01:05:53.000 Because it's so important.

01:05:55.000 People stand up for something and care, I think.

01:05:59.000 Even with our limited understanding of the history of it, this is one thing we know for sure.

01:06:04.000 They used to be under Britain, and now they're not.

01:06:08.000 And now they're under China, and we're watching this resistance.

01:06:10.000 And we're seeing these people, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them in the streets.

01:06:14.000 And you know what my favorite part of it all was?

01:06:17.000 There was one time where an ambulance had to get through.

01:06:19.000 And all the people from Hong Kong just stood on the left and the right, and they let the ambulance go through.

01:06:23.000 And I'm like, whoa, good luck with that in Boston. 0.98

01:06:30.000 It's fucking not going to happen, bro. 0.99

01:06:31.000 Look at this. 1.00

01:06:32.000 Look at this video, man.

01:06:33.000 I mean, this is incredible.

01:06:34.000 This is what my brother and a lot of people who I respect and admire, but maybe I'm not courageous enough to challenge our system more, want to see here for something.

01:06:48.000 But what's it for?

01:06:49.000 And why can't it be climate?

01:06:51.000 Well, the hustle is the right versus left.

01:06:53.000 Right?

01:06:54.000 That's the hustle.

01:06:55.000 That's the hustle.

01:06:55.000 And the real hustle is the fact that people get ideologically driven and they pick a side.

01:06:59.000 And they go, you know, the problem is these fucking liberals. 1.00

01:07:02.000 These fucking pussy liberals. 1.00

01:07:03.000 And then, you know, the problem is these racists. 1.00

01:07:06.000 These white racist assholes. 1.00

01:07:08.000 I love your liberal person. 1.00

01:07:11.000 That's how it goes, man.

01:07:12.000 I'm from Berkeley, man.

01:07:13.000 More.

01:07:14.000 More.

01:07:14.000 I want that.

01:07:15.000 This is a character that should definitely break out.

01:07:17.000 I should, man.

01:07:17.000 I should bring him out every now and then, man.

01:07:19.000 It's like fucking heteronormative bullshit. 1.00

01:07:22.000 Right? 1.00

01:07:23.000 But the problem is these are patterns of behavior that people slide into.

01:07:28.000 And that's why we were talking about putting people in boxes.

01:07:32.000 People love to be able to put you in that pattern.

01:07:34.000 I want to find out who you are.

01:07:35.000 Who are you?

01:07:36.000 Are you a liberal?

01:07:38.000 Are you a libertarian?

01:07:39.000 Are you a mean person?

01:07:40.000 Are you a nice person?

01:07:41.000 Or who are you?

01:07:42.000 My trick for my mom when she would be telling whoever what her son does, Well, he's a comedian and he hosts a radio show.

01:07:51.000 Oh, what's his radio show about?

01:07:52.000 Oh, he talks about all kinds of news and issues and politics.

01:07:56.000 Oh, is he a liberal or conservative?

01:07:59.000 They immediately want to know that.

01:08:01.000 Of course. 1.00

01:08:01.000 They want to know whether you're a piece of shit racist or a cuck. 1.00

01:08:06.000 Cuck, please. 1.00

01:08:08.000 Cuck is a fucking hilarious word. 0.99

01:08:10.000 But my mom, the answer, it really is. 0.99

01:08:11.000 It's really underappreciated.

01:08:13.000 It's a great word.

01:08:13.000 I hope they keep it.

01:08:14.000 I hope it doesn't become racist or something.

01:08:16.000 It's one of those words where it's like, I hope it doesn't slip away from us.

01:08:19.000 We have it right now.

01:08:20.000 We can enjoy it. 0.98

01:08:22.000 You can silence a lot of nonsense by calling somebody a cuck. 0.98

01:08:25.000 You really can. 0.97

01:08:26.000 It's like, woo!

01:08:27.000 It's been overused, for sure.

01:08:30.000 Not in text messaging.

01:08:31.000 It's recent and so effective. 0.86

01:08:33.000 It's just got such a pop to it when someone calls someone a cock, especially if there's a ring of truth to it.

01:08:38.000 I like it most when you say something endearing. 0.89

01:08:41.000 I'll text my brother.

01:08:43.000 He's the kind of person who will use it.

01:08:44.000 Maybe to me. 0.99

01:08:46.000 Stop being such a cuck. 0.99

01:08:47.000 I'll be like, I love you, bro. 0.99

01:08:49.000 You're saving me.

01:08:49.000 My brother's like my hero.

01:08:51.000 He's always there for me.

01:08:52.000 He wrote my first stand-up material in high school when I was hosting a talent show.

01:08:56.000 And he was getting kicked out of the house and I had no material.

01:08:59.000 And I was doing Dana Carvey's impressions hosting a talent show.

01:09:03.000 And I had no material and I walked out and I see a whole script that my brother had written.

01:09:08.000 Wow.

01:09:09.000 Didn't let me down.

01:09:10.000 That's awesome.

01:09:11.000 Even though he's high and drunk, didn't let me down.

01:09:13.000 Those are the guys that have the best writing for you. 1.00

01:09:14.000 I'll say something endearing to him, like that, loving, and then you get back, cock! 0.99

01:09:19.000 Like, that kind of response, like, when you don't... 0.99

01:09:20.000 Yeah, no.

01:09:21.000 Perfect.

01:09:22.000 I'm not even...

01:09:22.000 Actually, no, I don't even know if he is actually using that or if I'm just high.

01:09:27.000 I'm sure he used it.

01:09:29.000 It's a good word.

01:09:30.000 He's a smart guy.

01:09:30.000 But back to revolution, like, why can't it...

01:09:33.000 And what you're saying, the hustle, I love that discussion because everything is about defining...

01:09:39.000 So the answer my mom would give, excuse me, getting back to that, was, well, he talks about issues.

01:09:44.000 So, you know, that's what he talks about.

01:09:47.000 But they want to pin you into something so they can know how to feel about you, to like or to hate you.

01:09:51.000 Are you on my team or are you not?

01:09:52.000 And that destroys it.

01:09:55.000 It's so destructive.

01:09:56.000 It is.

01:09:56.000 And the other thing is the resistance to what you're saying.

01:09:59.000 Resistance is toxic, too, because people think, no, it's important that you take a side.

01:10:05.000 It's important that we de-platform Nazis. 1.00

01:10:07.000 They say things like that, and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's a fucking Nazi? 1.00

01:10:10.000 Stop! 1.00

01:10:10.000 Look, they're real Nazis. 1.00

01:10:12.000 And the problem is you start calling everybody a Nazi, and then one day you meet a real one, and you ran out of words. 1.00

01:10:16.000 You fucking cried wolf. 0.99

01:10:18.000 These aren't Nazis. 1.00

01:10:20.000 And when people feel like you're treating them unfairly or talking shit about them, and this is a problem we have both in the right and the left, they fucking double down. 1.00

01:10:29.000 They dig their heels in, and they go, fuck that other group. 0.99

01:10:33.000 It's Team Red all the way. 1.00

01:10:35.000 Fuck you, it's Team Blue. 1.00

01:10:36.000 It is so destructive. 1.00

01:10:39.000 And watching it is so sad, and being a part of it, When we are is the problem and trying to have the answer to that the solution to that is to try to listen to each other and to try to understand because I completely agree with you that they if they don't feel respected you've lost them completely on we can't people enjoy it like a team like when the Celtics win people get pumped when the Republicans win people get pumped you know it's like when the Democrats win people

01:11:09.000 get pumped it's their team I had a friend of mine, a comic, who said, you know, we gotta win the House, because if we win the House, we win the White House.

01:11:16.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:11:17.000 What is we?

01:11:18.000 What is we?

01:11:19.000 Are we in this?

01:11:20.000 Are you running for something that I don't know about?

01:11:22.000 Like, they have to.

01:11:23.000 I feel that way about sports, by the way.

01:11:25.000 Bro, I think...

01:11:26.000 When we say we, you're not on the team.

01:11:28.000 It's the Giants.

01:11:30.000 You're not a giant.

01:11:30.000 You're out here not exercising.

01:11:32.000 And it's the same thinking.

01:11:34.000 It's the same thinking.

01:11:35.000 People attach themselves.

01:11:36.000 I remember when I was a kid.

01:11:38.000 I was a big fan of this guy named Donald Curry.

01:11:40.000 He was this badass boxer.

01:11:42.000 This world champion, welterweight champion. 1.00

01:11:45.000 He was a fucking beast. 0.99

01:11:46.000 And then one day, he got knocked out by this guy Mike McCallum, the body snatcher. 1.00

01:11:53.000 He was another world champion, a bad motherfucker, and he hit him with a left hook to the body and a left hook to the head, knocked him out cold, flat on his back. 0.99

01:12:00.000 I couldn't believe it. 0.99

01:12:02.000 He was my favorite boxer, and he just got knocked out, and I felt so bad.

01:12:06.000 I couldn't take it. 0.99

01:12:07.000 I put my running shoes on, and I ran out of the house, and I ran for like a fucking mile. 0.98

01:12:11.000 And I was just so worked up. 0.98

01:12:14.000 I was probably like 17, I think, somewhere around then.

01:12:17.000 16, 17, I don't remember.

01:12:20.000 Maybe a little later.

01:12:21.000 18 at the latest.

01:12:22.000 I turned around and walked home.

01:12:25.000 I ran like a mile and a half, a mile, whatever.

01:12:27.000 I turned around.

01:12:28.000 I just walked home.

01:12:29.000 I am never going to get upset about someone I don't even know losing like that.

01:12:35.000 But that was a team thing.

01:12:37.000 I was on Team Curry.

01:12:40.000 And people really literally do that with fighters.

01:12:42.000 I feel like I have a litmus test that I feel like I fall victim to the criticism that you're I think?

01:13:08.000 Destroy it by the way we're living.

01:13:11.000 I'm one of those people that feels guilty about I rail against single-use plastic, which is why I want to advocate for you guys to get a big tank and everybody has thermos.

01:13:21.000 We've talked about that before.

01:13:21.000 Because if you do that today, if you made that choice, just get a big thing and a glass or mugs and sell them and raise money or something.

01:13:28.000 And Ari would come by and dose the bucket. 0.96

01:13:30.000 You can't have a big open bottle of water around with Ari. 1.00

01:13:34.000 Ari Shafir gave out like a plate of pot cookies years ago at Stan Comedy Club.

01:13:40.000 My wife does not like that. 1.00

01:13:41.000 Did she know it was a pot cookie?

01:13:43.000 Didn't know.

01:13:44.000 Went to take it.

01:13:45.000 Took a sniff of it.

01:13:47.000 And she's like, oh no! 0.98

01:13:49.000 And Ari's like, oh sorry. 0.65

01:13:50.000 Oh boy, she almost took it?

01:13:52.000 She is no good with the weed, the edibles especially. 0.85

01:13:56.000 Well, edibles are rough on you.

01:13:58.000 She once had like a whole Kit Kat because she was hungry and went to the sink and was washing her hands and just said, this water is so wet. 0.97

01:14:07.000 And I go, oh shit, something's wrong. 0.98

01:14:10.000 Put some headphones on. 0.99

01:14:12.000 Yeah.

01:14:13.000 This water is so wet.

01:14:15.000 When you look at that Hong Kong thing, I don't think we need a revolution.

01:14:20.000 I think we need a resolution.

01:14:22.000 I think we need to relax and come to this understanding that most of the stuff we fight about is because we're tricked into this tribal way of thinking.

01:14:30.000 I don't mean tricked by some overlords.

01:14:32.000 I mean tricked by your own biology.

01:14:34.000 We have a natural inclination to form teams.

01:14:37.000 And we have a natural...

01:14:38.000 Because there's only two real ones. 0.97

01:14:40.000 I mean, you could be one of them fucking dudes who's only into independent music and you always vote Green Party. 0.96

01:14:45.000 But for the most part, there's two parties, right? 0.98

01:14:48.000 When it comes to, like, national politics.

01:14:50.000 And when we think about... 0.92

01:14:52.000 Whoever the fuck's going to win, whether we think about what the real important thing is the economy or protecting our borders, or you think the real important thing is the environment and stopping global warming. 0.86

01:15:02.000 We've got to do something to engineer biodegradable plastics and make them mandatory. 0.98

01:15:09.000 Whatever thing becomes your side, and you can make arguments for both sides.

01:15:14.000 The problem is people then subscribe to whatever Ideas are in that party.

01:15:20.000 You could almost pick to a person.

01:15:22.000 If you're pro-life, you're probably pro-war. 0.96

01:15:25.000 But when you said, we're doing well, or relax, we're doing well, I react to that with working with and advocating for all these anti-poverty organizations.

01:15:36.000 What do you mean, relax, we're doing well?

01:15:38.000 I felt like you were saying, when everybody is getting fired up, maybe I misunderstood you.

01:15:43.000 It was like, I don't think we need a revolution, but...

01:15:46.000 I think instead of thinking about it like a competition between two teams, we should think about it as a resolution.

01:15:54.000 We should resolve our issues.

01:15:56.000 And what are our issues?

01:15:58.000 And resist being tribal.

01:16:00.000 Absolutely agree.

01:16:01.000 That's the entire problem.

01:16:03.000 And I'll do anything to work with you or anybody else on furthering that conversation. 1.00

01:16:08.000 Because that's all bullshit. 1.00

01:16:13.000 Theatrical, manufactured shit that you're divided by your neighbor because of any number of stupid... 1.00

01:16:18.000 And that we're not talking because of that. 1.00

01:16:20.000 I believe that our species can do a lot better.

01:16:23.000 And it's normal.

01:16:24.000 That's the thing.

01:16:25.000 It's like normal to not like people that...

01:16:28.000 You know, you look at somebody who's conservative, it's normal if you're a liberal to not like them. 1.00

01:16:31.000 If you're a conservative, it's normal to think these fucking silly liberals, they're going to ruin everything. 0.99

01:16:36.000 But don't put them in that box. 1.00

01:16:37.000 What kind of a man is he?

01:16:39.000 What kind of a father?

01:16:40.000 Yeah, right.

01:16:40.000 That's how I evaluate men or women.

01:16:43.000 What kind of a partner?

01:16:44.000 What kind of a parent?

01:16:46.000 I just watch them behave with their kids.

01:16:48.000 I don't think about what they think about guns.

01:16:52.000 If I find that stuff out later, then we talk about it.

01:16:54.000 But what kind of a role model are you for your children is how I evaluate another man.

01:17:00.000 I don't know if that's a good measure.

01:17:02.000 That's what I do.

01:17:02.000 I don't think about what show he watches or what kind of car he drives or what his job is.

01:17:08.000 What kind of a man is he?

01:17:09.000 What kind of a father, a role model, a contributor to society?

01:17:13.000 Does he care about other people and other things?

01:17:15.000 What is his morality?

01:17:18.000 Perfect.

01:17:20.000 I don't know, but that's not that.

01:17:22.000 Why is that abnormal?

01:17:24.000 Isn't that how we all should be?

01:17:25.000 Isn't that how we all are to some extent?

01:17:27.000 I think this resonates with a lot of people that are listening.

01:17:29.000 There's a lot of people that try very hard to do that.

01:17:31.000 There's a lot of people that also escape the grips of tribal thinking as they get older and wiser.

01:17:35.000 Sure.

01:17:35.000 I think I'm one of those, and I think a lot of people are one of those.

01:17:38.000 I am too, I hope.

01:17:38.000 And I think one of the ways that you help it is by having these conversations.

01:17:42.000 So people listen, and then it resonates with them.

01:17:45.000 And maybe it only resonates to a certain degree.

01:17:47.000 And maybe they slip away from it a week later when they're drinking and hanging out with their friends.

01:17:51.000 Or they're not exposed to the ideas very often.

01:17:56.000 And when they do, it's not as effective as it would be if they were around people that were like-minded.

01:18:01.000 But that's just having these conversations, you know, you're affecting, like right now, we're affecting a lot of different people's thinking, right?

01:18:08.000 They're listening to this and they go, a lot of interactions could have been different on both sides, depending upon what you did.

01:18:15.000 Like sometimes you run into someone and they're douchey, but if you just turn around a little bit, say, it's all right, brother, you know, I'm just here.

01:18:20.000 And then they relax and they go, oh, he's okay. 1.00

01:18:23.000 But if you ramped it up and they ramped it up more, you can go, that guy's a piece of shit, right? 1.00

01:18:27.000 Well, yeah, he acted like a piece of shit, but maybe part of the way he acted like a piece of shit was the way you dealt with his initial weirdness. 1.00

01:18:35.000 Because sometimes people are just fucking weird, and sometimes people come off douchey. 1.00

01:18:39.000 People are complex. 0.98

01:18:40.000 People are so complex and so rooted.

01:18:43.000 I mean, I... I just go straight to interviewing.

01:18:47.000 I've interviewed murderers and rapists.

01:18:49.000 Who have you interviewed that's a murderer?

01:18:52.000 Senghor, I think his last name is.

01:18:54.000 Shakti Senghor.

01:18:55.000 He wrote a book.

01:18:56.000 He changed my life.

01:18:57.000 He killed a guy when he was 18, went to prison, served 19 years, and got out and wrote a book.

01:19:03.000 And redemption.

01:19:06.000 How did he get there to murdering somebody?

01:19:10.000 And how did he become the man that he was?

01:19:12.000 That's...

01:19:14.000 The way to measure a man.

01:19:15.000 And so he did the worst thing.

01:19:17.000 So when you say you have this idea about any number of issues from race to energy issues to guns to abortion to feminism to all the stuff it's like well Where did he start?

01:19:34.000 Who were his role models?

01:19:35.000 You know, there's so much data about the zip code that you're born into in this country determines where you'll be when you're 18. And it's so accurate. 0.99

01:19:44.000 It's so hard to get out of certain places.

01:19:47.000 I heard you and someone talking about that.

01:19:50.000 It was Dakota Meyer, who was amazing.

01:19:51.000 I loved that whole interview.

01:19:54.000 It was fascinating.

01:19:55.000 Yeah, he was awesome.

01:19:55.000 Really interesting guy.

01:19:57.000 And nothing but respect for that guy.

01:19:59.000 But talking about America as, like, this place where it's the greatest place to get ahead, like, it's not.

01:20:07.000 It's so hard to get ahead here.

01:20:09.000 In some spots.

01:20:10.000 In some spots it's very hard to get ahead.

01:20:11.000 In way too many spots.

01:20:13.000 For so many reasons.

01:20:14.000 I'm with you if you're talking about impoverished neighborhoods that have a history of crime and violence, because they don't fix that and it doesn't change, and it's really hard to get ahead if you're not...

01:20:22.000 But in other places, if you're in a nice city and you're in a nice neighborhood, it is difficult.

01:20:29.000 But compared to the rest of the world, it's far, far easier.

01:20:32.000 I'm just talking about social mobility.

01:20:34.000 In what sense?

01:20:35.000 In terms of being able to move up a rung in the ladder.

01:20:37.000 Okay, I feel like that's only true in impoverished areas that are riddled with crime and drugs.

01:20:43.000 But that's not how it's measured.

01:20:44.000 But I'm thinking, if you're talking about places where things are doing well...

01:20:50.000 Yeah.

01:20:50.000 And you're comparing them to the rest of the world.

01:20:53.000 This is one of the easiest places to get ahead ever, that's ever existed, because there's- Only if you start in a certain spot.

01:21:00.000 Yes, yes.

01:21:04.000 It's impossible, which is why the media loves to focus and Americans love to focus on even themselves.

01:21:10.000 So many people say, you know, listen, I started with nothing and now I'm a major success.

01:21:16.000 And so they don't then have sympathy for somebody else.

01:21:19.000 I'm like, that's your story to tell.

01:21:21.000 What were your opportunities?

01:21:22.000 Who were your role models?

01:21:23.000 What did you have?

01:21:24.000 Did you have healthcare?

01:21:25.000 Did you have universal pre-K? That's the bottom line.

01:21:28.000 If you have universal pre-K all over this country, this whole country would be so much more intelligent.

01:21:34.000 That's what all the education data says.

01:21:35.000 That's what every other country does.

01:21:37.000 We don't have it.

01:21:38.000 Agreed. 0.99

01:21:39.000 Is just so many fucked up budget priorities. 0.99

01:21:42.000 The budget is a moral document. 0.98

01:21:44.000 It means where your values lie and you spend what on health care, what on defense, what on anti-poverty, what on nutrition, what on education.

01:21:53.000 Yes.

01:21:54.000 That's how I determined, by the way, in a thoughtful conversation, not only are you a liberal, not are you a liberal or conservative, you know, pro- or anti-government, it's how do you think we should spend our tax money?

01:22:03.000 Where should we spend it around the world and domestically and in terms of, and it's like, we have this huge defense budget with these weapons that will never be used, and Russia beat us with Facebook, and North Korea hacked into Sony.

01:22:17.000 It's like, that's where the threat is.

01:22:19.000 Right.

01:22:19.000 Let me ask you this when it comes to defense, because that's always an interesting subject.

01:22:22.000 There's two arguments, right?

01:22:24.000 There's this pro-military argument that is you have to have a certain amount of military might all over the world.

01:22:31.000 We have to be the world's policemen because if we're not, someone else will.

01:22:34.000 And we are protecting America by doing this and we fight them over there so that we can be free over here, right?

01:22:40.000 That's the pro-argument.

01:22:42.000 The anti-argument would be you could do everything that you need to do to protect us with less money.

01:22:50.000 And you could take that money and inject it into these inner cities that are impoverished and crime-ridden, and you could, in my words, that's why I always like to say, if you want to make America greater, what's the best way to do that?

01:23:01.000 Well, have less losers.

01:23:02.000 Have less people that are losing the game because they've got a shitty roll of the dice and the bad hand of cards when they're young. 0.93

01:23:08.000 Give people healthcare and education.

01:23:09.000 Give them an opportunity to succeed.

01:23:11.000 It's not that hard.

01:23:12.000 Most of us got it.

01:23:13.000 But the pro-military argument would be, okay, that is not going to work. 0.99

01:23:15.000 We will get fucked over by another country. 1.00

01:23:17.000 And then no one will have an advantage. 0.99

01:23:19.000 Like, we have to maintain a certain amount of power worldwide.

01:23:23.000 Like, I'm not...

01:23:23.000 This is not my argument.

01:23:25.000 I'm just saying.

01:23:26.000 But I would reject the binary on its face because it's a thoughtful binary and I'd love to answer it.

01:23:32.000 But it's so much more geopolitical and filled with history and then technology.

01:23:38.000 And so now I think if I am going to answer the question, it's like the threat matrix This is a way to look at it.

01:23:47.000 Like, what are the existential threats?

01:23:49.000 Nuclear war and any kind of geopolitical, what kind of conventional war?

01:23:55.000 Everything's online in terms of the way that countries are fighting.

01:24:00.000 It's all going online.

01:24:02.000 It's all transparent.

01:24:03.000 Well, I don't know if it's transparent.

01:24:04.000 It is in some ways, right?

01:24:05.000 But the point I would like to say, like, how is the Department of Defense not only focused on saving the planet, That's it.

01:24:15.000 That's it.

01:24:16.000 Just do that.

01:24:17.000 Everybody wins.

01:24:18.000 I think it's complicated, man.

01:24:20.000 Well, of course it is.

01:24:21.000 I think it's way more complicated than we would ever understand.

01:24:23.000 I think to be a military leader in 2019 and to be making decisions one way or another when you attack people.

01:24:30.000 Woo! 0.99

01:24:31.000 Good luck with all that. 1.00

01:24:32.000 Good luck with trying to figure out how to kill terrorists and do it live on television while the president's watching from the fucking Oval Office or whatever really happened. 1.00

01:24:41.000 I think he was golfing. 1.00

01:24:42.000 I think he was golfing.

01:24:43.000 Yeah, that was a whole weird situation.

01:24:45.000 How about the picture afterwards?

01:24:46.000 Like, um, I know what a pose picture looks like.

01:24:49.000 Dude, every single one of those pictures, it does look bad when every one of those pictures comes to all the Oval offices and a bunch of white dudes. 0.98

01:24:57.000 Well, God wants you to wear makeup and God wants you to sit right there.

01:25:00.000 That's right.

01:25:01.000 God wants that.

01:25:02.000 Right.

01:25:04.000 People don't talk enough, man.

01:25:05.000 There's too many of us. 1.00

01:25:06.000 That's a lot of what all this shit is. 0.99

01:25:08.000 I think you're leading. 0.99

01:25:08.000 I think one of the reasons why you're doing so well is because you're leading the conversation about how the conversation should be. 0.99

01:25:16.000 I hope that's evidence from what we're saying.

01:25:18.000 Well, I hope so, too.

01:25:19.000 I'm just happy people enjoy it, but the conversations that we're not having, we're not having enough of, is face-to-face, one-on-one like this.

01:25:27.000 Everyone's distracted.

01:25:28.000 You can't get to know people over soundbites.

01:25:30.000 You definitely can't get to know them through text messages or little tiny snippets of a conversation that they're going to have before they cut to commercial.

01:25:37.000 To get to know a person is very easy.

01:25:40.000 You just look at their internet history.

01:25:43.000 You find out what kind of porn they like.

01:25:44.000 Oh my God.

01:25:45.000 Whether or not they like muscle cars.

01:25:46.000 It's my greatest bit.

01:25:47.000 I mean, it's the idea that Facebook and your social media is what you want people to think you're doing.

01:25:51.000 Here's my family in the Bahamas.

01:25:53.000 But if you had a video of me melting down, just smoking weed and feeling my heart thumping and sweating because I'm having a panic attack, that's your internet history.

01:26:04.000 You're looking up every lump that you find.

01:26:07.000 Right.

01:26:07.000 And you go down weird rabbit holes.

01:26:09.000 You find out about strange diseases.

01:26:11.000 Yeah, very unhealthy.

01:26:13.000 All day today about parasites. 1.00

01:26:14.000 Mindfucking. 0.99

01:26:15.000 I saw your tweet about that. 0.99

01:26:17.000 I was like, no, don't put it out there!

01:26:19.000 Don't put it out there!

01:26:20.000 It's interesting as hell, but it's terrifying because the idea, like, I always get so worried, especially that one, because it's like trail running's my favorite way to run.

01:26:28.000 I love it too.

01:26:29.000 That's why I posted it.

01:26:31.000 Some lady got eyeball worms, man. 1.00

01:26:33.000 But...

01:26:33.000 Kids are terrified to go outside.

01:26:35.000 There's this amazing organization, Children of Nature Network.

01:26:38.000 Everybody should discover and support and look up the work of Richard Louv, who's just written a new book about relationships, you'll love it, with animals and humans.

01:26:47.000 And he wrote a book called Last Child in the Woods that is my Bible, changed my life.

01:26:51.000 And kids are afraid to go outside because there's ticks, there's Lyme disease, there's parents afraid that there's kidnapping.

01:26:58.000 No, there isn't.

01:26:59.000 There's definitely Lyme disease.

01:27:01.000 Well, yeah, but you just be vigilant.

01:27:03.000 Yeah, but Lyme disease is really significant.

01:27:04.000 It's horrible.

01:27:05.000 I grew up in...

01:27:05.000 I have several people who I'm close with.

01:27:06.000 I live in Rockland County.

01:27:07.000 Me too.

01:27:08.000 Horrible.

01:27:09.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:27:10.000 But we can't not send our kids outside.

01:27:12.000 No, I agree.

01:27:13.000 Cut your lawn and check your kids for ticks.

01:27:16.000 Good night.

01:27:16.000 Yeah, you gotta be vigilant.

01:27:17.000 But the kids have to stay out.

01:27:19.000 They have to be outside to appreciate getting all dried.

01:27:23.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

01:27:24.000 The connection to nature.

01:27:25.000 That's what it's all about.

01:27:26.000 It all works together.

01:27:28.000 The idea that we're drinking out of bottles that are made of petroleum.

01:27:31.000 That's what plastic is.

01:27:32.000 This is going to be here for 700 years. 0.99

01:27:36.000 Unless we melt it and make cool shit out of it. 0.99

01:27:39.000 Let's take some ideas. 0.97

01:27:41.000 Let's go to the calls.

01:27:41.000 Do you know who Boy Onslaught is?

01:27:44.000 Oh yeah, the guy collecting the plastic?

01:27:46.000 Dutch kid? 0.96

01:27:46.000 He makes everybody else look unaccomplished. 0.96

01:27:51.000 He's like, I'm 18 and I'm going to take all of the plastic out of the ocean.

01:27:55.000 Like, what was I doing?

01:27:56.000 I was bashing mailboxes.

01:27:58.000 The first one didn't work and everybody's like, see? 0.99

01:28:00.000 He didn't know shit. 0.97

01:28:01.000 He's like, yeah, that one is a prototype. 0.99

01:28:03.000 We're trying to make it work.

01:28:04.000 Look, the next one works.

01:28:05.000 He's still only 20. Let's cheer for him.

01:28:07.000 I know, people are hating on him.

01:28:08.000 Why are we tribal on getting plastic, getting rid of this horrible single-use plastic?

01:28:13.000 Because it's connected to ego? 0.99

01:28:14.000 Because someone who's 19 years old figured out how to do some shit that you've never figured out how to do? 1.00

01:28:19.000 He's a better person than you. 1.00

01:28:20.000 Fine!

01:28:21.000 No, it's a game.

01:28:22.000 It's a game.

01:28:23.000 I'm rooting for him.

01:28:23.000 No, you're not.

01:28:24.000 That's why you're happy when his machine breaks.

01:28:26.000 Like, ha ha!

01:28:27.000 Never! 1.00

01:28:27.000 Fuck him! 1.00

01:28:28.000 I don't know that mentality. 1.00

01:28:30.000 I don't understand that mentality.

01:28:33.000 But you understand it.

01:28:34.000 I understand it, but I don't feel it.

01:28:36.000 I'm not rooting for your pain.

01:28:38.000 Good for you.

01:28:38.000 If I... I don't like your opinions.

01:28:41.000 I don't want you to get sick.

01:28:43.000 I don't want you to even get your finger crunched in the garage door.

01:28:46.000 I don't want you to have pain.

01:28:47.000 I think it's the same sort of feeling.

01:28:49.000 Because of your beliefs.

01:28:50.000 It's the same thing that leads people to be tribal.

01:28:53.000 It also leads people to be jealous.

01:28:55.000 It's the same kind of thing.

01:28:56.000 It's like a pattern of thinking that's easy to slide into.

01:28:59.000 A well-oiled shoot.

01:29:01.000 You just slide right in there.

01:29:03.000 You can name that and acknowledge it for your kids.

01:29:07.000 That's what you're doing.

01:29:08.000 That's what I'm doing, hopefully.

01:29:09.000 That's what that is.

01:29:10.000 Don't fall into those veins.

01:29:12.000 People, I think, by the way, are mostly good.

01:29:15.000 All day.

01:29:16.000 All day.

01:29:16.000 Most of my interactions.

01:29:18.000 I'm walking out the door with this lady out of the bank and we both walk at the same time.

01:29:22.000 We're both like, oh, sorry.

01:29:23.000 Both are faults.

01:29:25.000 Have a good one.

01:29:26.000 Little smiles.

01:29:26.000 That's most interactions that I have, at least.

01:29:29.000 Yes.

01:29:29.000 I'm very attractive.

01:29:31.000 You're a handsome man.

01:29:31.000 I agree with you, though.

01:29:32.000 I think that is the case.

01:29:34.000 And also, it has to do with how you interact with those people.

01:29:38.000 And we've all been guilty of being loaded up in one way or another, interacting with someone, and it doesn't go as well as it could have gone if you were in a better place when you met that person.

01:29:48.000 It's all about reactions.

01:29:49.000 That's the second time you mentioned that, and that's the most important thing I've learned in therapy and with my wife.

01:29:54.000 It's if you choose how to react to a situation or a comment, and everything rides in that reaction, potentially your life.

01:30:01.000 I forget which book it is, whether it's one of those ancient philosophy books, but I never forgot this term.

01:30:07.000 Nothing has any meaning other than the meaning that you give it.

01:30:13.000 Yeah, it's...

01:30:14.000 Whatever it is, tragedy or positive thing, look, for sure it's a tragedy.

01:30:19.000 It's very difficult to not have an automatic...

01:30:20.000 It's not what we see, it's how we see it.

01:30:22.000 Yes, but talk regular moments in your life.

01:30:25.000 Like, the worst case scenario for a person is approaching any moment in their life and being like, woe is me.

01:30:31.000 Goddammit, why does it always happen to me?

01:30:33.000 Why...

01:30:34.000 Instead of having a perspective like, look how lucky I am that my real concern is someone keyed my car.

01:30:40.000 The reason, and I look at that and I say, why is that person always saying, woe is me?

01:30:46.000 Why?

01:30:47.000 Yeah, but why?

01:30:48.000 Where does it come from?

01:30:49.000 It's a natural pattern.

01:30:50.000 It's a role modeling.

01:30:51.000 That's why you have to give people an opportunity to break out of that.

01:30:55.000 We are so evolved.

01:30:57.000 We are so far, probably too evolved, that we've created plastic bottles and we're killing ourselves.

01:31:03.000 We're killing ourselves with plastic bottles?

01:31:05.000 7 billion people, or it's just too many people.

01:31:07.000 That's a lot.

01:31:08.000 Do you buy into the argument that the more westernized or the more advanced society gets, the population actually starts to decrease?

01:31:16.000 Because there are certain cities that they point to where that's on the trend.

01:31:20.000 I think Tokyo is one of them.

01:31:23.000 But the idea is that as people, as a civilization advances, people decide to pursue careers before having children and less and less people have children.

01:31:32.000 And that there's some sort of a direct correlation with the amount of children people have versus the amount of technological advancement is around them and the amount of education and the level of the city.

01:31:47.000 Like if you're around a place like New York.

01:31:48.000 I think it's generally education.

01:31:49.000 Education-based.

01:31:50.000 Generally education-based.

01:31:52.000 Affluence, too.

01:31:52.000 I think affluence has something to do with it as well.

01:31:54.000 Well, affluence usually comes with education.

01:31:57.000 Sometimes.

01:31:57.000 Usually.

01:31:58.000 You could have examples of people who came from absolutely nothing and had a gentle heart defect and overcame it to become, you know, a CEO of a McDonald's and then have to step down because they had an affair. 0.98

01:32:09.000 Well, people start their own businesses and shit, you know?

01:32:11.000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of it, and nothing, but certainly I have nothing, but I look at someone who's started a business and ran a business from a dry cleaning store to whatever they're doing. 0.95

01:32:23.000 My dad owned an insurance agency in Syracuse, New York.

01:32:26.000 That's what my dad did.

01:32:27.000 And my mom was a public school teacher, and it's like, so I saw the public and private sector.

01:32:32.000 That was my role model.

01:32:34.000 That's a good combination, too, to grow up with.

01:32:36.000 And I had healthcare, and I had nursery school.

01:32:39.000 My mom was a Early childhood.

01:32:42.000 She had an associate's degree.

01:32:43.000 My dad didn't go to college.

01:32:45.000 Shout out to my pop, by the way.

01:32:47.000 I just had a heart attack and ruined his eye.

01:32:49.000 How bad is his eye?

01:32:50.000 Can't see out of it.

01:32:51.000 It's not surgery number three.

01:32:53.000 Dude just wrapped up 44 years as a ski instructor.

01:32:57.000 And he's a competitive cyclist.

01:32:58.000 He broke every bone in his body. 1.00

01:33:01.000 He's a fucking man of steel. 1.00

01:33:02.000 What is the damage to the eye that doesn't allow him to see? 0.99

01:33:06.000 I can't explain it, but it's a laceration.

01:33:08.000 He was on his, you know, blood centers.

01:33:12.000 He fainted and bounced his face off the table, lacered his eye.

01:33:16.000 And that probably has a big impact on whether or not he heals quick, right?

01:33:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:19.000 And he's all filled with blood so he can't see out of it.

01:33:22.000 And my dad is like, my dad is a very physically healthy guy.

01:33:26.000 So it's aging, man.

01:33:27.000 It's tough.

01:33:28.000 I mean, that's where my situation is.

01:33:29.000 My mom and dad married 48 years.

01:33:32.000 But that's, you know, my dad, I look at my dad, and he's a great story in America.

01:33:37.000 He didn't go to college.

01:33:38.000 He started his own insurance agency.

01:33:40.000 He did well, supported us.

01:33:41.000 We lived in the suburbs, Marcellus, New York.

01:33:45.000 You know what's crazy about America? 0.99

01:33:47.000 It's only 300 years old, and the idea of a new America is out of the fucking question. 0.97

01:33:53.000 Right?

01:33:53.000 The idea of someone coming along, the millions of years of life on this planet, and the hundreds of thousands of years of being humans, and the 300 whatever almost years of the United States.

01:34:06.000 If someone said, we're going to start a new country now, and we found a new spot in New Zealand or Greenland or something, be like, fuck you. 1.00

01:34:14.000 You can't do that. 1.00

01:34:15.000 You can't do that today.

01:34:16.000 We'll see.

01:34:17.000 Do you think?

01:34:18.000 I think everything's changing.

01:34:20.000 Everything is changing.

01:34:22.000 First of all, people would be super suspicious. 1.00

01:34:25.000 If you were going to start a new country, they'd go, that guy's just going to fuck all the women. 1.00

01:34:29.000 Ah, well, there's a lot of that. 1.00

01:34:31.000 I mean, that's a lot of the world right now.

01:34:33.000 Yeah, well, that's a lot of why you would start your own country.

01:34:36.000 That's why it has almost probably always been the reason.

01:34:39.000 It would have to be some leader.

01:34:40.000 There would have to be someone who says, listen, this is how we're going to do this.

01:34:44.000 We're going to have an open-ended constitution.

01:34:48.000 We can amend it whenever we see fit.

01:34:50.000 Instead of having a president, we'll have a council of elders.

01:34:53.000 I'm all for a blown-up system and redoing it to make it more equitable, however you describe that.

01:34:57.000 We're going to need nukes, okay? 0.99

01:34:59.000 Because the North Koreans aren't fucking around. 1.00

01:35:00.000 The Russians are always shifting. 1.00

01:35:02.000 Those Chinese, man, they're plotting things. 1.00

01:35:04.000 I think they're going to try to cancel our internet.

01:35:06.000 The fact that we haven't...

01:35:08.000 You made it sound like they're the cable company.

01:35:10.000 Cut the cord.

01:35:12.000 The fact that we haven't had an accident Who is it?

01:35:15.000 Schlosser.

01:35:16.000 Eric Schlosser wrote this book and documentary.

01:35:19.000 It's fascinating.

01:35:20.000 History of accidents and close calls is nuts.

01:35:22.000 And we got to get rid of all nukes.

01:35:25.000 Yeah.

01:35:26.000 Like, all thinking people believe that.

01:35:28.000 It's so crazy.

01:35:29.000 That was a horrible statement, what I just said, by the way.

01:35:31.000 All thinking people?

01:35:32.000 That's, by the way, a great example of a condescending thing for a person to say into a microphone.

01:35:39.000 All thinking people think blank.

01:35:41.000 Stop it.

01:35:42.000 But it's also one of those things where it doesn't help to say it.

01:35:45.000 Even if it is true, all thinking people agree with me.

01:35:49.000 No one is going to go, wow, I don't want to be considered a non-thinking person, so I'll just agree with Pete.

01:35:54.000 Yeah, that's why I nailed it.

01:35:56.000 People are yelling into a microphone, what is wrong with you?

01:35:59.000 You must be a non-thinking person.

01:36:01.000 I don't want to be yelled at. 1.00

01:36:03.000 I dated this girl once when I was 21, and she'd get upset about shit. 0.98

01:36:06.000 She was older than me. 0.99

01:36:07.000 She was smarter than me, too.

01:36:09.000 But she got upset once, and I said, will you just please, just please relax?

01:36:15.000 She goes, no one who's upset ever wants to hear you saying relax.

01:36:18.000 It doesn't work.

01:36:20.000 And I thought about that. 0.97

01:36:21.000 I was like, damn, she's right. 0.99

01:36:22.000 Like, that doesn't work. 0.97

01:36:23.000 Someone says relax.

01:36:25.000 Relax doesn't work.

01:36:26.000 It just doesn't work.

01:36:27.000 Like, you don't go, oh.

01:36:29.000 Thank you.

01:36:30.000 I mean, sometimes you do, but you have to be not very wound up and you have to really love the person who's telling you to relax.

01:36:36.000 No, it's an absolute condescension.

01:36:39.000 I've done that a hundred times to my wife.

01:36:41.000 She nails me every time. 0.93

01:36:43.000 Every time.

01:36:44.000 I remember thinking as a 21-year-old savage going, oh, okay.

01:36:47.000 She's, uh, okay.

01:36:49.000 She's right.

01:36:50.000 That makes sense.

01:36:51.000 Yeah, I don't want to hear that either.

01:36:52.000 Relax.

01:36:53.000 But that's called being open-minded and being vulnerable.

01:36:56.000 Being able to check in with yourself as opposed to being this kind of authoritarian beast of, don't you tell me this is my castle.

01:37:03.000 Like, I don't understand that kind of, whatever you want to call it, I don't want to even name it.

01:37:09.000 It's just an attitude that we have to, our generation of men...

01:37:12.000 Is so much more vulnerable, I think.

01:37:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:37:16.000 Than our parents.

01:37:16.000 And so much more open-minded and sensitive, and it has nothing to do necessarily with sexuality.

01:37:20.000 It has to do with human growth and evolution.

01:37:24.000 Yeah, and realizing that you're actually weak to pretend that you're strong.

01:37:27.000 Absolutely.

01:37:28.000 The idea that somehow addressing your PTSD as a combat veteran is somehow seen as weak.

01:37:35.000 It's like, no, if you're taking on your worst nightmares, that's strength.

01:37:40.000 And by the way, how do we measure strength?

01:37:41.000 I mean, it's always about what you can lift, not the pain you can endure, which is why I think if you're measuring strength by gender, women can endure more pain. 0.50

01:37:51.000 So that's one measure of strength.

01:37:53.000 But more importantly, that's whatever you overcame in life.

01:37:58.000 That's the measurement of strength, not how you can force yourself.

01:38:02.000 I mean, I'm a small guy, so that's a small guy mentality.

01:38:04.000 I talk my way out of every, you know, my dad's like, just, when you walk into that class, you make friends with the biggest kid in the class, and I've done that my whole life.

01:38:13.000 So that's, I just talk my way out, but...

01:38:15.000 Well, whatever works.

01:38:17.000 But not in an authoritarian way, in a way that you're saying, in a way that you think about maybe...

01:38:21.000 Well, I'm just saying, when you say any thinking person agrees with that, that is a version of saying relax.

01:38:27.000 Oh, yes.

01:38:27.000 The same thing.

01:38:28.000 Oh, for sure.

01:38:28.000 It's a perfect...

01:38:29.000 We both agree.

01:38:29.000 It's the same thing.

01:38:30.000 No, it's a perfect analogy.

01:38:31.000 Absolutely.

01:38:33.000 We could do a whole long story about condescending remarks, especially in marriages or any relationship.

01:38:38.000 In this conversation, if I put you down in the way that you're thinking, it's like the whole conversation then changes.

01:38:45.000 It gets gross.

01:38:45.000 It doesn't respect my...

01:38:47.000 My intellect, my experience, and it's like...

01:38:50.000 The conversation gets gross.

01:38:52.000 Yeah, and effectual and damaging.

01:38:54.000 Well, that's the easy way...

01:38:56.000 But that's how you sell ads.

01:38:57.000 That's how you create ratings.

01:38:58.000 Oh, that's so crazy.

01:38:59.000 This show does pretty good.

01:39:00.000 We don't do that.

01:39:01.000 You don't have to do it.

01:39:02.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:39:03.000 But the thing about online conversations is that you don't have this interaction like we're having.

01:39:09.000 This is probably more intimate than a regular conversation because we're in each other's ears.

01:39:13.000 Right?

01:39:13.000 We're wearing...

01:39:14.000 I prefer headphones.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, I wish all of life was this way.

01:39:17.000 I don't want this to stop right now.

01:39:18.000 I do want this all the time.

01:39:19.000 It's too narrow focused.

01:39:20.000 But it's good for conversations.

01:39:22.000 Don't tell me what I want.

01:39:22.000 I will stay here and put anybody in those headphones.

01:39:25.000 Calm down.

01:39:26.000 You need to relax.

01:39:26.000 Anybody just calm.

01:39:27.000 Any thinking person would agree with me.

01:39:29.000 Relax.

01:39:29.000 Calm down, Joe.

01:39:30.000 Will you calm down, Joe Rogan?

01:39:31.000 That's my favorite thing to say.

01:39:32.000 When someone's not worked up, you're working with a young person in a corporate...

01:39:37.000 Yeah.

01:39:37.000 You know, it's serious.

01:39:38.000 It's CNN. Calm down.

01:39:39.000 And they're not at all worked up.

01:39:41.000 They're like, hey, do you want me to send that over?

01:39:43.000 Calm down, okay?

01:39:44.000 I was totally normal.

01:39:47.000 What percentage of people that you worked with were on Adderall?

01:39:50.000 Oh my God, I wish I knew.

01:39:52.000 I thought everybody around me was on something.

01:39:54.000 What do you think the number would be?

01:39:55.000 Antidepressants, I thought.

01:39:56.000 Would you think it would be a high number?

01:39:59.000 Adderall, I don't know.

01:40:00.000 I don't know anything about Adderall.

01:40:01.000 I know a lot about, and I hear a lot about Xanax and antidepressants and anti-anxieties, none of which I've ever put in my body.

01:40:08.000 Those are spooky.

01:40:09.000 I think some people need them.

01:40:11.000 I think for some people, they have a bad chemical makeup.

01:40:14.000 I mean, this is just a fact, just like some people have thyroid cancer, right?

01:40:17.000 Some people have, there's a missing link.

01:40:21.000 There's something wrong with the way their brain's firing, and this is just a biological issue, because we're, you know, we're not, There's situational depression.

01:40:31.000 Sure.

01:40:32.000 There's a lot of issues.

01:40:33.000 And Johan Hari writes about that in his new book.

01:40:35.000 And there's been a lot of really great work written about it, academic research on it.

01:40:39.000 And the academic research on neuropsychology, my understanding is that it's like, we know so little about the brain.

01:40:44.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:44.000 We're very early in trying to understand it.

01:40:47.000 So these medications, like right now, dealing with my career transition and thinking about running for Congress, dealing with my dad, that to me is not a reason to take an antidepressant.

01:41:01.000 No, you work.

01:41:02.000 Now you just hit it hard, and you do what you do, and you don't make excuses, and you just work.

01:41:09.000 My friend Jordan Peterson had an issue where his wife had developed liver cancer.

01:41:16.000 It was very serious.

01:41:17.000 Very scary.

01:41:18.000 I did not know that about him.

01:41:19.000 I know of him and his work, but I did not know that.

01:41:21.000 She was very, very sick.

01:41:22.000 And he, you know, they've been together since high school.

01:41:25.000 He loves her dearly.

01:41:27.000 And he started freaking out.

01:41:28.000 So he got on something.

01:41:30.000 What was it?

01:41:30.000 Klonopin?

01:41:31.000 Is that what it was?

01:41:32.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:41:32.000 I'm familiar with that.

01:41:33.000 I've heard of it.

01:41:34.000 She had a miraculous recovery.

01:41:37.000 Everybody's happy about that.

01:41:38.000 But then he had a really, really...

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 That's amazing.

01:41:40.000 She had surgery.

01:41:41.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:42.000 Did she get a transplant? 0.99

01:41:43.000 I don't know.

01:41:44.000 But he had a really difficult issue with the Klonopin.

01:41:47.000 Really bad.

01:41:48.000 Oh, he used it to deal with that situation.

01:41:50.000 And what was the issue?

01:41:52.000 Yes.

01:41:52.000 Well, he was going through severe withdrawals, and he had to chuck himself into a rehab cell.

01:41:57.000 Yeah, I hear that's a very...

01:41:59.000 I have a family member who did everything, including heroin, and it's so great to hear Artie on the show, because I called up Artie when he was doing heroin to ask him how serious it was.

01:42:12.000 He goes, let me ask you two questions.

01:42:14.000 I go, alright.

01:42:15.000 And he goes, does he have a good life, either a job or kids or anything?

01:42:20.000 I was like, no.

01:42:21.000 He's just a single guy.

01:42:22.000 And he goes, is he shooting it or snorting it?

01:42:25.000 I go, he's shooting it.

01:42:26.000 And he goes, I can't help you.

01:42:30.000 Like, that was the worst.

01:42:33.000 That's true, though.

01:42:34.000 I have so many arty stories on the road with him for so long.

01:42:37.000 It's so nice to see him doing well.

01:42:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:40.000 He's doing great.

01:42:41.000 I mean, he really is.

01:42:42.000 He certainly seems so.

01:42:43.000 He's crackling, man.

01:42:44.000 He's one of my closest friends.

01:42:46.000 My wife and I spend a lot of time with him, and I love him to death.

01:42:49.000 His story is one of the most remarkable stories in comedy.

01:42:54.000 He's one of the funniest.

01:42:54.000 He's one of the kings of comedy.

01:42:56.000 And he's a close brother of mine for a long time.

01:42:59.000 So watching him with you, I can't wait to see him.

01:43:02.000 I got 17 numbers for him.

01:43:04.000 I'll give you the real one if he lets me.

01:43:06.000 No greater storyteller alive.

01:43:09.000 He's up there.

01:43:10.000 He's no greater.

01:43:11.000 Yogi Berra was good. 1.00

01:43:12.000 His fucking stories are incredible. 1.00

01:43:13.000 Dick Cavett's pretty good. 1.00

01:43:14.000 Shout out to Dick Cavett.

01:43:16.000 He already tells you stories.

01:43:18.000 He does a lot of movement with his fingers.

01:43:22.000 He's got a little show he's doing.

01:43:25.000 There's a lot happening.

01:43:25.000 He is a performer.

01:43:27.000 He gets it.

01:43:27.000 He gets it all.

01:43:28.000 Oh yeah.

01:43:29.000 I was waiting in the wings.

01:43:31.000 He's going out.

01:43:32.000 I open for him.

01:43:33.000 I come back.

01:43:34.000 They play The Who, which song that he came out to.

01:43:37.000 And he just, at his heaviest, just falls back into me.

01:43:42.000 And I had a brace.

01:43:44.000 You know, I'm a tiny, muscular guy, and I, like, push him back up and literally push him on stage.

01:43:48.000 He's, like, zoning off.

01:43:49.000 That's hilarious.

01:43:50.000 Like, falling asleep out there.

01:43:51.000 That's hilarious.

01:43:52.000 I mean, there's just so much.

01:43:54.000 To see him and his recovery should give everybody hope.

01:43:56.000 It should give everybody hope.

01:43:58.000 It's interesting, too, because I don't think he's ever been funnier.

01:44:01.000 But back to the drugs.

01:44:02.000 Yeah.

01:44:03.000 Yeah.

01:44:05.000 Artie is...

01:44:07.000 At the top of his game.

01:44:08.000 And really excited to see him.

01:44:09.000 And one of the funniest guys.

01:44:10.000 And one of the most generous guys, man.

01:44:13.000 He helped everybody.

01:44:15.000 It was too much.

01:44:16.000 I would tell him, like, you can't...

01:44:17.000 Dude, that guy supported so many comics in ways that were, like, beyond generous.

01:44:23.000 The way that you do, by the way.

01:44:25.000 By the way that you do.

01:44:26.000 I want to see his stand-up.

01:44:27.000 I want to see it.

01:44:28.000 I want to know where he's at.

01:44:30.000 Because I know he's doing only gigs around the New York area.

01:44:33.000 But I'm thinking about...

01:44:35.000 If I have to go to the East Coast, I'm thinking about taking a trip.

01:44:39.000 I just wanted to see you there.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, because, like, see him now. 0.99

01:44:42.000 It's like all the years that I've known him, he was always fucked up. 0.97

01:44:46.000 Yeah, I was on a road with him a lot of that time. 0.98

01:44:48.000 I witnessed a lot of stuff.

01:44:49.000 We would just be hanging out.

01:44:50.000 He'd be gone all day.

01:44:52.000 Like, where were you? 0.99

01:44:52.000 He was like, ah, the hooker all day. 0.99

01:44:56.000 We were in Vegas by the pool at his cabana, and he wasn't with us. 0.98

01:44:59.000 Like, where's the king, man?

01:45:00.000 Is he ever going to come down? 0.99

01:45:01.000 Did you see the hooker? 1.00

01:45:03.000 Maybe. 0.54

01:45:04.000 Yeah, I wouldn't have hung out with us either, don't get me wrong.

01:45:07.000 But it was a nice day.

01:45:08.000 We wanted to hang out with him.

01:45:10.000 He's got through on the other side.

01:45:11.000 I just hope he can stay on this side.

01:45:13.000 Yeah, but the point is, Artie is not...

01:45:16.000 He's an aberration.

01:45:18.000 He is an exception for any number of reasons.

01:45:20.000 He happens to be one of the most talentedly funny people that he just can't fail because everybody wants to be around him and be with him and see him perform.

01:45:27.000 Drugs in this country, whether they be antidepressants or the opiates, that's something we should come together around as well.

01:45:34.000 I think so.

01:45:48.000 I beg you to have him on the show because he's a research expert and there's so much to talk with him about in terms of all this stuff, supplements, fasting and nutrition and you absolutely love him.

01:46:01.000 I want everybody to know about his work.

01:46:03.000 Is he a doctor?

01:46:04.000 Yeah, he's a pediatrician at Indiana University School of Medicine.

01:46:06.000 He contributes to the New York Times.

01:46:08.000 He's got this YouTube channel.

01:46:09.000 It's called Healthcare Triage.

01:46:11.000 He's a really smart guy.

01:46:13.000 He's just really great at explaining research.

01:46:16.000 Is his thought that people are over-medicating?

01:46:19.000 I'm not sure.

01:46:20.000 I don't want to speak for him.

01:46:21.000 Yeah, that's a tricky one, right?

01:46:22.000 I think it's those words...

01:46:23.000 No, I mean, people get very resentful about that.

01:46:25.000 Number one, don't tell me I'm a bad parent or a bad person.

01:46:27.000 This works for me.

01:46:29.000 Yeah, no, I mean, we've got to be careful.

01:46:30.000 We've got to be very easy on the judgment with all that.

01:46:33.000 I kind of feel whatever gets you through the day.

01:46:36.000 Well, I don't know how your brain works.

01:46:39.000 To pretend that your brain works like my brain and that I know for sure that if I was inside your head I would be thinking the way I think out here, it's impossible.

01:46:48.000 Amen.

01:46:49.000 I don't know what it feels like.

01:46:50.000 Like, I know I have a baseline, right?

01:46:53.000 When I'm healthy, I know who I am.

01:46:55.000 I'm that guy, right?

01:46:57.000 But could you imagine being someone else other than what you know and what you're comfortable with?

01:47:04.000 You can't.

01:47:05.000 Imagine the chemical makeup of a different person.

01:47:07.000 No, you can't know what anybody's going through in their day.

01:47:09.000 Imagine if you were a woman and you were on your period.

01:47:11.000 I have.

01:47:12.000 Imagine what that feels like.

01:47:13.000 Often.

01:47:13.000 I've thought about that.

01:47:14.000 I've thought about it all.

01:47:15.000 I never thought about it until just now.

01:47:17.000 Don't you have daughters?

01:47:18.000 Yes, but I never thought about myself having a period or having premenstrual syndrome.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, that sounds like very little fun.

01:47:27.000 PMS sounds like a real bummer. 1.00

01:47:29.000 Once a month you're going to become a cunt. 1.00

01:47:31.000 The whole situation. 1.00

01:47:32.000 Let everybody know in advance.

01:47:34.000 I'm going to take calcium tablets, I'm going to do my best, but when the storm comes...

01:47:38.000 Imagine.

01:47:39.000 I try to just be aware of that, but my wife and I are usually at the same baseline regardless of what's going on.

01:47:45.000 It doesn't affect everyone.

01:47:47.000 I don't know if it does.

01:47:48.000 Maybe it does, but it's something to be sensitive about because it's something that we don't have to deal with.

01:47:52.000 You know what I hate, dude, is I got a vasectomy and this idea that any guy would ever not do that.

01:47:59.000 Is bizarre to me.

01:48:00.000 It's the greatest thing.

01:48:01.000 I highly recommend it.

01:48:02.000 Population control and no more condoms and your wife should never have to put a drug in her body or cut, you know, tire tubes. 1.00

01:48:08.000 That's horrific unless I guess she's just given birth maybe.

01:48:11.000 But I'm very pro-vasectomy.

01:48:12.000 Do you think that we're going to come a time, there's going to come a time in America where there's too many people?

01:48:17.000 When we have like a Delhi, India type situation.

01:48:21.000 I think that is the case in too many communities right now, in impoverished communities, that there's too many people for the resources.

01:48:26.000 That's how you measure it.

01:48:27.000 It's not, I mean, how do you measure too many people?

01:48:29.000 Congestion, overabundance of traffic.

01:48:32.000 Like, right now, in LA, when I come home from the 405, get home from the airport, I'm driving home on the 405, I'm like, why is this 10 o'clock?

01:48:41.000 Yeah, this is my first experience on it.

01:48:43.000 It's 10 o'clock and it's bumper to bumper for miles and miles and miles.

01:48:48.000 Where is everybody going?

01:48:49.000 That's another way to define poverty.

01:48:52.000 Unless you're listening to a great conversation like ours.

01:48:55.000 But even then, it's not worth it.

01:48:56.000 How dare you?

01:48:58.000 It's not worth it being stuck in that.

01:49:00.000 Well, see, one thing's being stuck in it.

01:49:02.000 The other thing's being stuck in it every day.

01:49:04.000 I mean, it's horrible for your body.

01:49:06.000 It's horrible for your body to sit there.

01:49:08.000 Dude, when I stopped commuting, I had this driving neck pain every day.

01:49:12.000 43. And like a knife every day.

01:49:16.000 I stopped commuting.

01:49:17.000 Gone.

01:49:18.000 Gone.

01:49:19.000 Absolutely.

01:49:19.000 Sitting in a car, you've got to try to offset that if that's something you have to deal with because it's really hard.

01:49:26.000 I think that having right now in America, in many communities, there are not enough resources for the people that are living there in terms of healthy food and access to education and healthcare.

01:49:39.000 Joe, that's how I define morality of a society.

01:49:43.000 How we take care of each other.

01:49:45.000 Sure.

01:49:46.000 And We all don't have the same access in this country.

01:49:50.000 I urge people to study poverty and not get caught up in the tribalism of the argument of why people are in poverty.

01:49:57.000 No.

01:49:57.000 There's a long, really interesting and important field of study, and there's a whole bunch of anti-poverty people that I love talking to.

01:50:06.000 What do you mean by anti-poverty people?

01:50:08.000 They're just working to decrease poverty using private, public, any number of different resources.

01:50:14.000 You know, solving the problem.

01:50:16.000 Yeah, that's one thing that I think morally we fucked up with, with not having healthcare available to everybody readily, easily.

01:50:26.000 If you're going to pay for things, we're going to decide that we're a community, right?

01:50:29.000 We're basically a community of 300-whatever-million people.

01:50:33.000 Two things.

01:50:34.000 You've got to educate people, and you've got to take care of the sick.

01:50:37.000 And you should have food figured out.

01:50:41.000 But we don't have two of those things, and one of them is terrible.

01:50:46.000 The education system in inner cities is often terrible. 0.99

01:50:49.000 The food thing is a fucking mess. 0.99

01:50:51.000 Food stamps is a mess. 1.00

01:50:52.000 The education system in tribal communities.

01:50:56.000 Nobody ever talks about tribal communities.

01:50:58.000 I've done a lot of work with them.

01:51:00.000 I keep saying that, by the way.

01:51:01.000 I'm no noble.

01:51:02.000 Just advocating the type of stuff that I know that you do.

01:51:06.000 And just trying to understand what they do and advocate for the solutions.

01:51:11.000 And tribal communities and impoverished communities are all over this country in rural areas and obviously in urban areas.

01:51:18.000 We have a lot of it.

01:51:19.000 And we can solve those problems.

01:51:20.000 But being divided the way we are on not understanding the root of poverty.

01:51:24.000 Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow takes on racial injustice and mass incarceration.

01:51:29.000 You just read that book, you'll be a completely different person understanding history.

01:51:34.000 Well, the things that we need to have in order to establish, yeah, drug war for sure.

01:51:39.000 I mean, when is that going to end?

01:51:41.000 Where are we?

01:51:42.000 Our generation has an agreement about that.

01:51:44.000 End that. 1.00

01:51:45.000 End that shit. 1.00

01:51:46.000 Legalize all of it. 1.00

01:51:48.000 All of it.

01:51:48.000 Legalize it.

01:51:49.000 Regulate it.

01:51:50.000 Anything anybody wants to do.

01:51:52.000 What we have been doing, what's going on in Mexico right now is nuts.

01:51:56.000 It's crazy, and that's because of our demand for it.

01:51:59.000 We're directly connected to their problems.

01:52:01.000 That's just basic economics and commerce.

01:52:04.000 Legalize it. 0.84

01:52:05.000 It's not going to solve...

01:52:06.000 It's not going to end the drug cartels.

01:52:07.000 They're always going to be there.

01:52:09.000 But don't simplify this problem and don't demonize it.

01:52:11.000 Name it and solve it.

01:52:13.000 There's just been so much loss and pain.

01:52:16.000 It's got to end. 0.72

01:52:18.000 And again, whoever gets elected as president has to stop with this punitive justice bullshit where you punish people for their behavior.

01:52:24.000 I just heard about this kid who got caught with weed in his car in high school and his principal threw him off the golf team. 0.93

01:52:30.000 And his dad was like, why would you do that?

01:52:32.000 Why would you...

01:52:33.000 Not let him do the thing that he loves.

01:52:37.000 He's not just going to sit around all day.

01:52:39.000 He's doing a great thing.

01:52:41.000 This idea of punishment is changing your behavior.

01:52:44.000 We can get beyond that.

01:52:45.000 I think we can get beyond that.

01:52:47.000 We certainly can.

01:52:47.000 Especially weed for a kid who's playing golf.

01:52:50.000 No, but anything for kids.

01:52:51.000 Consequences for kids.

01:52:52.000 Spanking your kids is prehistoric. 1.00

01:52:55.000 It's prehistoric.

01:52:56.000 But what you're talking about when it comes to this kid with weed is...

01:53:01.000 Completely absurd.

01:53:02.000 Do you think he would have got kicked off if he got caught having a shot at Jack Daniels?

01:53:05.000 Would he have gotten kicked off a team for life if something happened at a party and he wound up having a shot of vodka with his friends?

01:53:13.000 I should say he had a bucket of grenades in the passenger seat as well, Joe.

01:53:16.000 What kind of grenades?

01:53:17.000 Love grenades?

01:53:19.000 No, that's what it was.

01:53:20.000 You're absolutely right.

01:53:21.000 That's all it was. 1.00

01:53:22.000 Whoever made that decision is an asshole. 1.00

01:53:24.000 Well, yes, of course. 1.00

01:53:25.000 Well, hold on.

01:53:27.000 Their judgment is clearly wrong.

01:53:29.000 Yes. 1.00

01:53:29.000 But minimizing them as an asshole, it is an asshole move. 1.00

01:53:31.000 It's an asshole move. 1.00

01:53:32.000 You're taking a kid and you're ruining his life. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Whether or not you want to be an asshole or not. 1.00

01:53:37.000 Try to understand why that person made that decision in administration. 0.99

01:53:40.000 Why the system has that kind of punitive...

01:53:43.000 Component to it.

01:53:44.000 It's archaic.

01:53:45.000 Our whole incarceration.

01:53:46.000 The capital punishment only in America.

01:53:49.000 If all the civilized...

01:53:49.000 That's so horrific.

01:53:52.000 And stupid. 1.00

01:53:53.000 And expensive. 1.00

01:53:54.000 And now, even, you know, most conservatives now agree that that is the case.

01:53:58.000 And hopefully we're drumming it out.

01:53:59.000 Well, what about the penalty for mass murderers? 0.99

01:54:02.000 Crazy! 0.97

01:54:02.000 What do you do for someone like... 0.97

01:54:04.000 Doesn't matter.

01:54:04.000 It doesn't matter what they did, Joe, because you can't prove...

01:54:08.000 One percent...

01:54:10.000 The numbers are like 4% of people who were killed were innocent.

01:54:15.000 That percentage, everybody agrees, is way too high.

01:54:18.000 Some people are like if it was only 1% in the community that debates these issues.

01:54:22.000 But as long as it's 4% of people are innocent, you can't have that system for that reason, regardless of the penalty A and B. No one's thinking...

01:54:32.000 When they're murdering someone about what the penalty for murder is going to be.

01:54:34.000 That's not why they're doing it.

01:54:36.000 It does not work as a deterrent.

01:54:37.000 There's a ton of research on that. 0.95

01:54:39.000 It's silly. 0.93

01:54:40.000 It's silly that you think, well, I'm not going to murder this person because I'm going to go to jail for life. 0.98

01:54:44.000 That's not why you don't murder somebody. 0.69

01:54:46.000 Nobody wants to murder another person.

01:54:47.000 But what do you do with that person?

01:54:49.000 Do you just put them in a cage for the rest of their life?

01:54:52.000 No, you rehabilitate them.

01:54:53.000 You rehabilitate John Wayne Gacy?

01:54:55.000 Yes! 1.00

01:54:56.000 You take a guy who fucks kids and kills them and digs a hole in his basement and leaves the kids there. 1.00

01:55:00.000 If you can't rehabilitate him, you put him in a humane place cage. 1.00

01:55:05.000 You don't kill him. 1.00

01:55:07.000 But you're killing him. 0.99

01:55:08.000 You're just killing him real slow with life. 0.98

01:55:11.000 You're separating him from freedom and you're locking him up in a cage. 1.00

01:55:14.000 You have to separate him from freedom if he's raping kids. 0.98

01:55:17.000 I agree with that. 0.99

01:55:17.000 Right. 0.99

01:55:18.000 But if you know for a fact that he did it.

01:55:19.000 But you can rehabilitate people.

01:55:20.000 But hold on.

01:55:21.000 You're killing him either way. 1.00

01:55:22.000 You're either killing him with nature and time or you're going to kill him. 1.00

01:55:26.000 So if you're going to leave him in this cage and he's innocent, that's almost worse than killing him. 1.00

01:55:33.000 If you kill him, it's quick.

01:55:35.000 If you're going to leave him in that cage and he's actually one of the 4% that's innocent. 1.00

01:55:38.000 I'm for letting him kill himself. 1.00

01:55:41.000 Okay. 0.99

01:55:41.000 You're not going to let him kill himself? 0.99

01:55:43.000 Yeah, give him a... 0.62

01:55:43.000 It's like, listen, here's a rope. 0.62

01:55:46.000 Here's a rope.

01:55:47.000 You can make a rope swing and I'll give you a swing and you can swing on it if you want.

01:55:51.000 That's what I give that.

01:55:52.000 I mean, I don't...

01:55:53.000 The problem is you're trying to find a binary answer to a messy question.

01:55:56.000 No, I don't think it's a messy question.

01:55:58.000 My answer is no.

01:55:58.000 I don't believe in the state, by the way.

01:56:01.000 If your kid was killed by John Wayne Gacy and they found your kid in the basement of John Wayne Gacy's house, you wouldn't want him dead?

01:56:09.000 I can't deal with that hypothetical.

01:56:11.000 I can't either.

01:56:12.000 I'm not doing that.

01:56:14.000 But I'll think for someone else and I'll say yes. 0.99

01:56:16.000 John Wayne Gacy definitely killed a bunch of his kids.

01:56:18.000 Well, a lot of people whose kids...

01:56:19.000 I don't think the people...

01:56:20.000 I mean, this is worst case scenario, right?

01:56:21.000 We're playing a thought experiment.

01:56:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:22.000 No, absolutely.

01:56:23.000 It's a great part...

01:56:24.000 It's a thought experiment.

01:56:26.000 It's a hypothetical.

01:56:26.000 And I just wouldn't...

01:56:27.000 If someone was in that situation, if they're a parent in Newtown, I think a lot of those parents...

01:56:34.000 I mean...

01:56:35.000 This guy who was killed in the Charleston church shooting, I don't say these maniac's names into microphones, but the white supremacist wanted to start the Civil War, shot all those black people, Obama went down there and sang Amazing Grace.

01:56:49.000 It's lovely.

01:56:49.000 Remember that when we were to recover from horrible disasters with the president singing Amazing Grace?

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 Well, you remember 9-11.

01:56:57.000 But those people forgave that shooter.

01:57:00.000 They forgave him for killing. 0.99

01:57:03.000 All those black people forgave that white man. 0.83

01:57:06.000 And we're, you know, the greatest role models of actual, you know, Christians behaving Christian, by the way.

01:57:11.000 And I think that you can forgive.

01:57:13.000 I think that that doesn't have to be a religious tenet.

01:57:15.000 I think that you can forgive and you can rehabilitate.

01:57:17.000 But I won't buy, you know, in the hypothetical situation, obviously I would, by the way, I would defend my, I would kill anybody who ever threatened my family.

01:57:26.000 I would have no problem with that.

01:57:28.000 I'm not morally against that.

01:57:30.000 Yeah, it's a different thing than killing someone that you've got detained when deciding that their life is over.

01:57:36.000 Yeah, I don't think the state should be responsible for that and the idea that we would give the state the trust. 0.96

01:57:41.000 The most horrific shit is when you find out that the DA withheld information that would lead to the exoneration of someone or that they're unjustly incarcerated. 0.98

01:57:50.000 Happens all the time. 0.99

01:57:52.000 All the time.

01:57:53.000 That's one of the most horrific injustices in this country, and obviously it's got a racial component to it, and it's horrible, and the justice system is obviously, that's a really interesting thing to talk about, and constitutional law is a fascinating thing for people studying. 0.62

01:58:07.000 This idea that we argue about the Second Amendment, like, let's let constitutional lawyers, I think, discuss a lot of those things, and we should all understand that and be curious about it, but I would, our Constitution is also silly.

01:58:21.000 Like, let's remake everything.

01:58:22.000 Like, let's have that conversation.

01:58:24.000 There's so much better that we can do.

01:58:26.000 Have a serious conversation about what kind of guns and bullets people can have.

01:58:30.000 Not that they can have them or that they can't have...

01:58:32.000 Like, that's the conversation.

01:58:35.000 That's where we should be right now.

01:58:36.000 Everything gets regulated.

01:58:37.000 Everything...

01:58:38.000 There are trade-offs in healthcare.

01:58:40.000 There are trade-offs in everything, but Americans now are so divided, they want everything that they want.

01:58:45.000 That compromise is something that we don't do as Americans, much less in government.

01:58:52.000 That's preposterous.

01:58:54.000 The Democrats that demand purity or anybody that is doing that, you don't agree with me, you're wrong.

01:59:00.000 Hold on! 0.98

01:59:01.000 That's not...

01:59:02.000 You don't have any relationships with people in your real life like that.

01:59:05.000 Like, my wife and I don't agree on a lot of stuff.

01:59:08.000 But I love her.

01:59:10.000 I adore her.

01:59:11.000 Well, it's what we talked about before.

01:59:13.000 They're on teams.

01:59:13.000 And you want your team to win, so you state emphatically...

01:59:16.000 Why do you want your team to win?

01:59:17.000 It's a natural thing with human beings.

01:59:19.000 Alright.

01:59:19.000 I agree with that.

01:59:20.000 What I'm saying about the gun thing, the most fucked up part about the messiness of the gun thing is that even if you made guns illegal, even if you said you can't have any bullets, you'll all go to jail, there's so many guns. 0.92

01:59:34.000 You're not getting them all. 0.92

01:59:36.000 It's not possible.

01:59:37.000 There's more guns than there are people, which means there's more than 300 and what, 30 million guns in this country alone?

01:59:45.000 It's absolutely the most important point in the discussion.

01:59:49.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:11.000 The real question is why would someone do that, right?

02:00:15.000 That's the number one question.

02:00:17.000 Remember that incel took the truck?

02:00:19.000 It's a harder question to answer.

02:00:21.000 The easier question to answer is make them less accessible to people who have problems that we can't figure out or solve.

02:00:27.000 If you could, make them less accessible to people who have problems.

02:00:30.000 But the president will blame, I don't mean to get political, but there's no data on the video game argument.

02:00:35.000 There's no data on that.

02:00:37.000 Well, the video game argument is interesting because I've had soldiers bring it up to me, including Dakota Meyer.

02:00:42.000 Yeah, I heard that conversation.

02:00:43.000 I'm willing to have it.

02:00:44.000 I mean, I don't think it necessarily makes sense that people would act out in a certain way that's horrific because of video game, But if they were already inclined to violence to begin with, maybe they already had a fucking short circuit, and then they get desensitized to violence in movies and violence in video games,

02:01:04.000 does that have an impact on them?

02:01:06.000 I'm not the guy to answer that question.

02:01:07.000 Whether or not it has an impact on them...

02:01:09.000 But it's a variable.

02:01:10.000 It is.

02:01:10.000 But it's a variable that I think merits discussion.

02:01:12.000 I don't know if it's true or not.

02:01:13.000 Here's why I don't think it is.

02:01:15.000 Because...

02:01:15.000 You don't think it merits discussion?

02:01:18.000 Well, let me make this point and then you decide if you think it merits discussion.

02:01:21.000 Okay.

02:01:22.000 The violent video games are played at far higher rates in Japan and they don't have the gun violence we have.

02:01:30.000 That's a good point.

02:01:31.000 They have a very different culture, though.

02:01:32.000 They don't have access to guns.

02:01:34.000 That's true.

02:01:34.000 That's it.

02:01:35.000 But they don't also have...

02:01:38.000 Joe, it's the access...

02:01:40.000 Dude, I've shot guns.

02:01:42.000 I shoot guns.

02:01:44.000 I have nothing but respect for hunters.

02:01:47.000 I grew up in a hunting community.

02:01:49.000 But, I mean...

02:01:51.000 I don't know.

02:01:52.000 I don't think that there's much past the conversation about accessibility to guns that can fire that many rounds that quickly, killing that many people.

02:02:02.000 I don't think we have to get rid of those somehow.

02:02:04.000 But I agree.

02:02:04.000 How do you do it?

02:02:05.000 Yeah, that's the question.

02:02:06.000 That's the most important point.

02:02:07.000 There's already 330. There's more guns than there are people, so what do you do?

02:02:10.000 So, by the way, I think you buy as many as you can back for sure.

02:02:14.000 You spend a whole bunch of taxpayer money.

02:02:16.000 Just help.

02:02:16.000 By the way, there's a ton of people in a bind right now.

02:02:19.000 That have a rifle, but like, oh my god, I'm not going to be able to afford my insulin.

02:02:22.000 Let me get rid of this AK-47 to live another month.

02:02:25.000 You buy some guns back, it's a good expenditure of money, and then melt them down and turn them into furniture for people.

02:02:32.000 So if you wanted to do that without changing the Second Amendment, like you just have a buyback where you just offer people the opportunity to make some money by giving their guns up.

02:02:43.000 Well, the Second Amendment has been interpreted wrong by the Supreme Court, in my opinion.

02:02:49.000 I mean, it doesn't say that people should have...

02:02:51.000 Until 2008, it didn't say that.

02:02:53.000 Nobody thought that.

02:02:54.000 That people should have a personal right to guns, until the Heller case.

02:02:57.000 So I don't think you even need to talk about the Second Amendment.

02:03:00.000 I think people just need to agree that these guns shouldn't be sold.

02:03:03.000 Well, you need to talk about the Second Amendment.

02:03:06.000 I mean, it's a big conversation in this country.

02:03:07.000 No, because people can have guns. 0.61

02:03:09.000 You can have guns.

02:03:09.000 The Brick has a right to have guns.

02:03:10.000 You just can't have these guns.

02:03:12.000 Anymore.

02:03:12.000 No more of those ones.

02:03:14.000 You can have all these guns.

02:03:15.000 There's regional restrictions anywhere, right?

02:03:16.000 And they work.

02:03:16.000 In New York City, you can't have a handgun.

02:03:18.000 Yeah, they work.

02:03:19.000 I don't think you can have a switchblade in New York City.

02:03:22.000 Yeah, Cyrus Vance, the DA there, is like...

02:03:27.000 He's terrified that they're changing.

02:03:29.000 The federal government is changing the law because he knows that those gun laws in New York work really well.

02:03:35.000 And by the way, people always make the argument, well, they have those gun laws in Chicago and there's a ton of violence.

02:03:39.000 That's because Chicago's on the border of Indiana.

02:03:41.000 It doesn't have them.

02:03:42.000 Guns go across the border just fine.

02:03:45.000 Gun laws work. 0.56

02:03:46.000 They work.

02:03:47.000 Well, Chicago's also in the middle of a bitter drug war.

02:03:50.000 Well, yeah.

02:03:50.000 I mean, that's where the violence is coming from.

02:03:51.000 But people should have less accessibility to those types of guns, like every other civil society in the world.

02:03:58.000 Come on.

02:03:59.000 But it goes back to what you were talking about before, that drugs, if they were legal, you wouldn't have that sort of a drug war.

02:04:05.000 Right!

02:04:05.000 For sure it's the root of most of the violence in the inner cities, and obviously in Mexico.

02:04:10.000 Yeah, it's black markets.

02:04:11.000 It's the illicit drug...

02:04:13.000 Yeah, they're making tons of money on that.

02:04:15.000 What is the Second Amendment exactly as it's written?

02:04:17.000 The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

02:04:22.000 So how do you think the Supreme Court misinterpreted that?

02:04:27.000 That in the 2008 case, everybody should just, I would plug the work of Eric Siegel.

02:04:33.000 A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.

02:04:38.000 The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

02:04:43.000 Yeah, those commas get argued by constitutional scholars.

02:04:47.000 But the Supreme Court didn't decide until 2008 that Americans had a right to have their own weapon.

02:04:56.000 That's such a crazy statement.

02:04:58.000 Like when you read it, it's so interesting because we're going back in time trying to figure out how people in 1776 thought about guns and whether or not that applies to us.

02:05:09.000 Because if it doesn't apply to us, we have to think on 1789. If it doesn't apply to us, we have to think, well, then who gets to decide?

02:05:17.000 We get to decide as a society on any of these things.

02:05:21.000 One of the reasons why it's so interesting to read these things We have, for whatever reason, when things get written into stone or carved into stone or written onto a document, like the First Amendment, like the freedom of expression,

02:05:37.000 we have it.

02:05:40.000 So we all agree on it.

02:05:41.000 Freedom of speech.

02:05:42.000 We don't want to change it.

02:05:43.000 Yeah, freedom of speech.

02:05:44.000 Freedom of expression, whatever.

02:05:45.000 We want to hold on to that.

02:05:48.000 We want to keep that.

02:05:49.000 Sure.

02:05:49.000 This is our law.

02:05:50.000 All humans do.

02:05:51.000 In the Second Amendment, the right to have a gun.

02:05:53.000 That's our law.

02:05:53.000 We got it written down.

02:05:54.000 Look, look, look.

02:05:54.000 It's written there.

02:05:55.000 So they'll study these ancient words, like scrolls.

02:05:58.000 Like they'll go over these scrolls and look at the commas and look at the words.

02:06:02.000 Shall not be infringed upon.

02:06:03.000 What did they mean?

02:06:05.000 That's fascinating to me.

02:06:06.000 It is fascinating, but I think that they didn't mean this, Joe.

02:06:09.000 I think that...

02:06:10.000 How could they?

02:06:11.000 They didn't know what this is.

02:06:12.000 They didn't.

02:06:13.000 And the whole gun thing is a racket to make money.

02:06:15.000 That's what that is.

02:06:16.000 It's a way...

02:06:17.000 You sell fear.

02:06:19.000 Like, are you...

02:06:19.000 I mean, home invasion...

02:06:21.000 Is any family's worst fear?

02:06:24.000 But it doesn't happen very much, nor does kidnapping, nor do a lot of these crimes that our generation of parents is helicopter parents terrified of everything, not letting their kids go outside.

02:06:38.000 You're right.

02:06:39.000 Come on, thinking that your kid's going to get kidnapped?

02:06:41.000 You don't know anybody!

02:06:43.000 Who had their kid kidnapped?

02:06:44.000 But you're generalizing.

02:06:46.000 Because home invasions do happen sometimes.

02:06:48.000 Right, but that's not how we should make laws. 0.99

02:06:50.000 But we don't have to exist like everybody's going to kidnap your kid or everyone's going to break into your home.

02:06:55.000 But I'm saying those kind of...

02:06:56.000 The balance is that sometimes it's real.

02:07:00.000 That's why people want to be able to have guns. 0.99

02:07:02.000 Because sometimes someone can break into your house and people have defended their house and their property with guns.

02:07:07.000 Sure, but is it a way, is it a realistic threat?

02:07:12.000 Or is it something that the gun industry creates these amazing ads and scares the shit out of people? 0.95

02:07:20.000 Oh, come on, man. 0.95

02:07:20.000 Crime is real. 0.95

02:07:22.000 Whether they make ads or not, crime is still real.

02:07:25.000 I think the clear point is the reason why we have so many guns in America is because there's so much money to be made off of them.

02:07:34.000 I think we could absolutely limit them and regulate them and have a thoughtful conversation.

02:07:37.000 I think that's where most people are at, although I hate that generalization.

02:07:41.000 There's something to that, but there's also something to the reason why we have so many cars.

02:07:44.000 People like them.

02:07:45.000 I'll have that conversation.

02:07:46.000 We should get rid of all the cars.

02:07:47.000 Okay.

02:07:48.000 Well, I mean, we're not.

02:07:50.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.79

02:07:51.000 That seems ridiculous.

02:07:51.000 Why should we get rid of all the cars?

02:07:52.000 Do you not like freedom, or do you have a better solution?

02:07:55.000 I don't have a better solution, but there should be one, or I think that we are killing ourselves with all the cars.

02:08:01.000 The pollution is...

02:08:02.000 Okay, but you can get an electric car.

02:08:03.000 Yeah, then that's fine.

02:08:04.000 I think I would be fine.

02:08:06.000 I have a Chevy Volt since 2012. I have solar panels.

02:08:09.000 I'm trying to be the change I want to see in the world.

02:08:11.000 If I'm coming off as... 0.96

02:08:13.000 I'm a complete hypocrite in all of it. 0.95

02:08:16.000 I eat meat and I do all kinds of things. 0.84

02:08:18.000 I think having a thoughtful conversation about guns and why they're a huge part of our culture and not another culture, the way that other cultures and countries regulate their weapons, the problems that they have.

02:08:29.000 Our problem, sure, we should talk about mental health, but...

02:08:33.000 The problem with that conversation that people don't want to have is everything costs money.

02:08:38.000 That's why you have to pay taxes.

02:08:39.000 Paying taxes is the price of civilization.

02:08:42.000 What does it have to do with mental health?

02:08:44.000 You have to pay for people to help people.

02:08:47.000 You can't advocate in government, Republican or Democrat, for the – this is what, unfortunately, Trump and Republicans have advocated.

02:08:55.000 Let's get mental health solutions to the violence.

02:08:58.000 Let's do that.

02:08:59.000 And everybody's behind that, except they cut the Obamacare programs that funded mental health.

02:09:04.000 It's just you can't do – you have to spend the money – Providing mental health, it is a problem.

02:09:10.000 It should be addressed.

02:09:11.000 But it's not, the main issue is definitely the guns and the bullets in them.

02:09:15.000 Well, the main issue is the person that's capable of shooting people with the guns and the bullets.

02:09:20.000 No, it's the guns and the bullets.

02:09:21.000 The guns and the bullets are inanimate objects without a person pulling the trigger.

02:09:24.000 We're talking nonsense here.

02:09:25.000 They're not going to just shoot themselves. 0.99

02:09:27.000 The main problem is someone who's willing to grab the gun and shoot people, right?

02:09:34.000 We both agree there's problems with having guns.

02:09:37.000 No, I... But don't you think the main problem is the person who actually shoots people?

02:09:40.000 I think that in every other country in the world, they don't have this problem because they don't have the gun.

02:09:44.000 That's where I start and end on the argument.

02:09:46.000 Okay.

02:09:47.000 Why is that wrong?

02:09:48.000 They might.

02:09:49.000 That might be the case, that they don't have the guns.

02:09:52.000 But there are places that do have guns, and they don't have a lot of mass shootings.

02:09:56.000 Canada's one of them, right?

02:09:58.000 No, they don't have the type of guns we have up there.

02:09:59.000 They have a lot of guns.

02:10:00.000 They do, but they don't have AK-47s with unlimited rounds.

02:10:04.000 That's crazy!

02:10:06.000 Do you think they have more or less limitations? 0.98

02:10:08.000 I've shot those guns.

02:10:09.000 They're awesome.

02:10:09.000 I get it.

02:10:10.000 Do you think they have more or less limitations to what firearms they're allowed to have in Canada?

02:10:15.000 I believe the Canadian gun laws are far stronger, more regulated.

02:10:19.000 I think they just tried passing something.

02:10:23.000 Really recently, Trudeau announced something that was going to severely limit, this is very recent, severely limit the type of firearms you could have, including things that can have multiple rounds in chambers and certain types of guns that are used right now as hunting rifles,

02:10:40.000 since there was a big pushback about that.

02:10:42.000 This was really recently.

02:10:44.000 See if you can find that?

02:10:45.000 The conversation about like the freedom, like the Second Amendment to me is, it's just your interpretation.

02:10:53.000 Fine.

02:10:54.000 Whatever your interpretation is, is fine.

02:10:55.000 Well, that's what's interesting about it.

02:10:56.000 But there's a human impact.

02:10:57.000 It's a healthcare issue.

02:10:58.000 And it's so extreme.

02:11:01.000 It's really, if you want to know the answer to healthcare issues, you should talk to public health experts.

02:11:06.000 They have those answers.

02:11:07.000 They have the research.

02:11:08.000 But hold on.

02:11:09.000 What research?

02:11:09.000 On what?

02:11:10.000 Well, they don't have enough research on gun violence, unfortunately.

02:11:13.000 Well, what are you talking about then?

02:11:14.000 I'm talking about if you want to know the solutions for what is impacting and creating death by any measure, accidental death...

02:11:20.000 Right, but we're talking about gun violence, right?

02:11:22.000 Right.

02:11:22.000 What healthcare professionals have the solutions to gun violence?

02:11:25.000 I think a lot of healthcare solutions...

02:11:27.000 I think certainly surgeons have argued for...

02:11:30.000 Why certain ammunition has destroyed the inside of the body and unsurvivable.

02:11:36.000 I think public health officials have argued, certainly pediatricians all argued, this idea that you can't ask a parent if they have a gun in the house because the gun lobby...

02:11:46.000 Is against that because they're building this conspiracy that the government is going to track your gun?

02:11:50.000 That's terrible.

02:11:51.000 Your pediatrician has to ask you, do you have a pool?

02:11:53.000 Where do you keep the poison?

02:11:54.000 Where are the guns?

02:11:55.000 Because God forbid, you're not responsible enough or educated enough to know that that kid might accidentally get that gun, and it happens all the time.

02:12:01.000 There's a rule against that.

02:12:02.000 Yeah, public health officials and doctors and physicians are pretty much on the same case with this issue.

02:12:09.000 These guns and mental health, I think, experts too.

02:12:11.000 I don't know.

02:12:12.000 Maybe there's a large disagreement. 0.99

02:12:13.000 And if there is, I'm happy to be wrong about this or any dumb shit I've said. 0.94

02:12:17.000 What you're saying is that these public health officials would be able to make these guns less lethal by banning certain types of ammunition because it's destroying people and checking to see if the parents know if they have a gun or where the gun is or how it's treated, 0.98

02:12:35.000 how it's locked up.

02:12:37.000 How do you feel like public health officials...

02:12:41.000 It could have any impact on that.

02:12:42.000 Well, public health experts, their entire responsibility is to keep people safe from sickness and death.

02:12:49.000 If you have any bullets at all, they're lethal, right?

02:12:52.000 So do you want to have bullets that are less lethal?

02:12:54.000 I think that could be a law, for sure.

02:12:56.000 Why not?

02:12:56.000 Less lethal.

02:12:57.000 Yeah, to human bodies.

02:12:59.000 Yeah, we shouldn't be killing each other with bullets all the time.

02:13:02.000 A bullet will stop anybody, a blunt or whatever it is.

02:13:05.000 I don't understand the arguments about ammunition.

02:13:07.000 But the point about public health...

02:13:09.000 Well, you brought it up.

02:13:09.000 That's why I brought it up.

02:13:10.000 Fine.

02:13:11.000 Public health experts will look at what is creating sickness and death.

02:13:17.000 Okay.

02:13:17.000 Car accidents.

02:13:18.000 What I'm saying to you is that I think it's disingenuous to say that public health officials have an answer to why we're having so much mass violence.

02:13:25.000 I don't think anybody has an answer.

02:13:26.000 I think we're terrified.

02:13:28.000 And I think we could say it's, if they didn't have guns, they wouldn't be able to do it.

02:13:31.000 And you're right.

02:13:31.000 And I could say if these people weren't mentally handicapped or filled with, I shouldn't say handicapped, mentally compromised, filled with all kinds of demons.

02:13:41.000 All kinds of demons.

02:13:42.000 Agreed. 0.99

02:13:42.000 All sorts of different medications that are fucking with their judgment. 0.99

02:13:46.000 Abuse. 0.98

02:13:47.000 All sorts of trauma they experience in childhood.

02:13:49.000 There's a lot of factors. 0.98

02:13:50.000 No one has any idea why someone who is abused and who's fucked up is capable of making that leap. 0.93

02:13:58.000 We have some thoughts on it. 0.93

02:14:00.000 That's all.

02:14:00.000 We have some thoughts on it, and we talk about it endlessly.

02:14:03.000 And you're right.

02:14:04.000 If no one had a gun, there would be no issue with that.

02:14:07.000 You wouldn't be able to mass shoot people. 0.99

02:14:08.000 But would we still have fucked up people that are lashing out trying to hurt people? 0.99

02:14:12.000 I think we would. 0.97

02:14:12.000 Of course we always will, but we have to fund mental health. 0.97

02:14:15.000 We have to fund research.

02:14:16.000 No one's arguing with you.

02:14:17.000 Yeah, a lot of people are.

02:14:18.000 No, I'm not.

02:14:18.000 I think you should.

02:14:19.000 I think we should...

02:14:20.000 Not only should we...

02:14:22.000 People don't want government to spend money.

02:14:24.000 Completely change the way we think about mental health.

02:14:25.000 It should be a top priority.

02:14:27.000 Yeah.

02:14:27.000 I think we should think about having four-hour workdays being mandatory.

02:14:31.000 Done.

02:14:31.000 I think we should help people.

02:14:32.000 I think, you know, they just did an experiment.

02:14:34.000 Microsoft did in Japan, in fact.

02:14:37.000 And they found that a four-day workweek, rather, increased productivity by 40%.

02:14:42.000 Yeah.

02:14:43.000 I think a lot of people, I don't know, maybe this is their culture, maybe this is a specific instance, the type of people that would get a job at Microsoft.

02:14:50.000 Yeah.

02:14:50.000 But, you know, what you're dealing with for most people is beating down shells that are tired of...

02:14:56.000 But tie all that together.

02:14:57.000 Go back to the gun argument, argue for the four-hour work week and any other type of benefits that civilized nations around the world, especially in Scandinavia, have.

02:15:05.000 Studying that culture is really interesting and what they do.

02:15:08.000 And you realize that there's any number of things that you can do to help people.

02:15:16.000 And...

02:15:17.000 You have to be able to fund those solutions.

02:15:20.000 And people don't want to do it.

02:15:22.000 Right.

02:15:22.000 People don't want to pay more taxes, but they also have a distrust in the way the government spends their money.

02:15:26.000 So it becomes a catch-22.

02:15:28.000 I'm sorry.

02:15:28.000 Even if they wanted things to be better, they don't trust the government to spend their money.

02:15:31.000 Like, if you work hard and you make X amount of dollars, the government wants 45% of it.

02:15:34.000 That's always a fair argument, but there's not necessarily a better way.

02:15:37.000 Fine.

02:15:37.000 I give you that argument.

02:15:39.000 But we have to come together as a society and agree, this is how we're going to spend money on the fire department, on schools, and so on.

02:15:45.000 Yeah, but no one's arguing.

02:15:46.000 Yeah, but the rest of the world, why is so many other places in Scandinavia happier than us?

02:15:51.000 One of the reasons is we have to worry about getting shot.

02:15:53.000 We should not have to worry about that.

02:15:55.000 We have to worry about health insurance.

02:15:56.000 We should not have to worry about that.

02:15:58.000 We have to worry about getting, paying for our education.

02:16:00.000 Those are things that other people in other countries don't have to be as concerned about.

02:16:05.000 That they're happier.

02:16:06.000 They're more relaxed.

02:16:06.000 Well, they're also way smaller.

02:16:08.000 It's like Idaho versus the entire United States of America. 0.59

02:16:11.000 And you're right about a lot of this stuff.

02:16:14.000 But that's not how you study, you know, socioeconomics says something different about the size of the country.

02:16:19.000 Well, sure.

02:16:20.000 It's a huge factor.

02:16:21.000 It's affecting the way people behave.

02:16:23.000 I mean, they've done studies where they've taken cameras and they put them on opposite ends of the street and they can tell by how fast people walk and they can tell by how many syllables they say in a minute exactly the number of people that are in that city.

02:16:34.000 There's a direct correlation between large groups of people and hostile behavior, fast thinking, moving quickly, talking quickly, being impatient.

02:16:42.000 All those things contribute to a less healthy society.

02:16:45.000 When you deal with a small country that has less people, you have less of that.

02:16:51.000 But it still doesn't change the idea, even if we disagreed on that, that looking at how other nations' societies – neighborhoods, by the way, forget about that.

02:17:01.000 Don't make it about America.

02:17:02.000 What's this city over here doing?

02:17:03.000 What's this community doing over here?

02:17:05.000 Mayors are working together really well.

02:17:06.000 Really effectively to solve problems in cities.

02:17:08.000 They have these unions all the time, these coming together.

02:17:12.000 And they're doing a lot of good work.

02:17:14.000 Communities can copy other communities, but if you look at...

02:17:17.000 We so often talk about our national system, and that's generally what we're talking about with many of these issues here.

02:17:22.000 You look at Scandinavia, people are happier there.

02:17:24.000 Why?

02:17:25.000 I don't know if that's true.

02:17:26.000 Why is that true?

02:17:27.000 There's so much research in it.

02:17:28.000 But why is it true that they're happier?

02:17:29.000 What does that mean?

02:17:30.000 Because if you don't have to worry...

02:17:32.000 People think it's a big, giant generalization.

02:17:33.000 There's got to be some depressed people in Scandinavia.

02:17:35.000 Of course there are.

02:17:36.000 So are there less?

02:17:37.000 Don't get me wrong, dude.

02:17:38.000 They're suicidal.

02:17:39.000 They have all kinds of problems.

02:17:41.000 There's places in the United States that are happier than other places in the United States.

02:17:45.000 Of course.

02:17:45.000 Yeah, it's access to education and healthcare.

02:17:47.000 You can't be...

02:17:48.000 It's also environment.

02:17:49.000 It's also the beauty of their surroundings.

02:17:51.000 Absolutely.

02:17:52.000 It's also...

02:17:52.000 Whether or not it's a small town or a large city.

02:17:55.000 I mean, there's places like Boulder, Colorado.

02:17:57.000 Super healthy, happy places.

02:17:58.000 But there's only 100,000 people there.

02:18:00.000 Right.

02:18:01.000 And it's gorgeous.

02:18:03.000 I think we have to radically change the way that we live in our communities.

02:18:06.000 And I think there's so much interesting conversation we had about sharing everything.

02:18:12.000 You know?

02:18:13.000 The car.

02:18:13.000 The car comes to pick you up whenever you need it.

02:18:15.000 And all that.

02:18:15.000 You can still have your own car or whatever.

02:18:17.000 But just the idea of ride-sharing, home-sharing, and communities.

02:18:19.000 Home-sharing?

02:18:20.000 You're going to share your house with somebody?

02:18:23.000 Through technology, you could just have...

02:18:25.000 No, you're not going to share your house with somebody, but in a community.

02:18:28.000 Like a kibbutz of the future, surrounded by... 0.92

02:18:31.000 There's a place called Serenby down south.

02:18:33.000 It's got biophilic design, and everything is renewable.

02:18:37.000 The way they live, everybody is just how you described.

02:18:39.000 Everybody is always on foot walking, communicating, surrounded by nature, exercising.

02:18:45.000 It's definitely better when you can get that, if you can get that.

02:18:48.000 It's just hard to sustain large groups.

02:18:51.000 Absolutely.

02:18:52.000 There's no getting away from the number of people we have here.

02:18:56.000 You're absolutely right.

02:18:57.000 The smaller the group, the less minds you have that you interact with.

02:19:01.000 You were talking with somebody that's a scientist who lives in a van.

02:19:04.000 It was a fascinating conversation.

02:19:05.000 Chris Ryan.

02:19:06.000 That's my boy.

02:19:06.000 I feel like you made the point about...

02:19:08.000 He's great.

02:19:08.000 It was great.

02:19:09.000 I was stealing my parents' basement listening to that show.

02:19:12.000 He talked about...

02:19:14.000 Or you did, maybe.

02:19:14.000 Moore's Law?

02:19:15.000 Moore's Law.

02:19:15.000 I think he talked about it as well.

02:19:17.000 That was pretty interesting.

02:19:18.000 I never heard anything like that.

02:19:20.000 You have to have a certain amount of people before chaos or corruption.

02:19:24.000 No, no.

02:19:25.000 What is it?

02:19:26.000 That was Dunbar's number.

02:19:29.000 Dunbar's number is 150 people.

02:19:31.000 Moore's Law is the law that pertains to technological innovation.

02:19:35.000 Oh, technological improvement.

02:19:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:19:37.000 The rate of improvement of how technology...

02:19:40.000 And that's going straight up, and that's fascinating.

02:19:42.000 And Andrew Yang understands that, and Joe Biden doesn't.

02:19:45.000 That's a huge issue.

02:19:46.000 Dunbar's number is the amount of people that you can keep semi-intimate relationships with.

02:19:51.000 And it seems to have a direct correlation between ancient tribal structures.

02:19:55.000 I'm fascinated by that.

02:19:56.000 They think it's about 150 people, and more or less, I'm sure, people vary.

02:19:59.000 Like, they vary in everything else.

02:20:00.000 Intelligence, height, people vary in everything.

02:20:02.000 But this number seems to be fairly consistent, that you can't really have more than 150 people in your life.

02:20:10.000 Don't you think Thanos was right?

02:20:11.000 And still being away with them.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, yeah, no, that's the problem with that movie.

02:20:14.000 Thanos had a point.

02:20:16.000 Right.

02:20:16.000 Yeah.

02:20:17.000 I mean, he's a piece of shit, but he had a point. 1.00

02:20:18.000 The way he went about it was wrong. 1.00

02:20:20.000 Yeah, he was a dickhead. 1.00

02:20:21.000 He killed a lot of people. 1.00

02:20:22.000 He snapped and everybody died. 1.00

02:20:23.000 And then he wanted to live on his own island like an asshole. 1.00

02:20:26.000 He has a whole planet where he lives on it. 1.00

02:20:28.000 And the sun would always set on his face. 1.00

02:20:29.000 Yeah, fuck it. 1.00

02:20:30.000 And James Brolin. 1.00

02:20:31.000 I was glad when Thor fucked him up. 0.99

02:20:33.000 Spoiler alert. 0.98

02:20:35.000 My daughter got to interview the co-directors as part of my old show.

02:20:39.000 My favorite memory.

02:20:40.000 It's Josh Brolin, by the way.

02:20:41.000 What did I say?

02:20:42.000 James Brolin.

02:20:44.000 They're both handsome.

02:20:45.000 They are.

02:20:45.000 But yeah, Thanos.

02:20:46.000 But that's the idea of balance.

02:20:48.000 Do you think about that?

02:20:50.000 All this stuff that we use and we consume and the way that we live, I think about that a lot.

02:20:54.000 Yeah, I do.

02:20:56.000 And I'm happy when someone like Boyan Slott comes around that has a real legitimate solution that could be implemented at large scale and could eventually be a gigantic solution.

02:21:06.000 Not only that, but a source of resources.

02:21:08.000 We could take this plastic and this plastic, instead of being a detriment, can be used to work at certain things.

02:21:15.000 Maybe the money could be used from the sale of that plastic and it would go to charitable causes.

02:21:20.000 Maybe it could actually be a positive net benefit to the earth.

02:21:23.000 Why?

02:21:24.000 If someone comes along with some technology, they could do that.

02:21:26.000 Why do we have in this country an argument about the future of energy and the way that we live and how to create a better renewable future?

02:21:35.000 Like, I have no idea why we're arguing everybody wins.

02:21:37.000 We're going to make a shitload of money.

02:21:40.000 The argument is that if you invest in A Green New Deal.

02:21:45.000 That that is a socialist idea.

02:21:46.000 That's a bad idea in any way.

02:21:48.000 No, everybody will get rich or we're all going to die.

02:21:51.000 I don't think that's what the problem is.

02:21:53.000 What do you think of that binary?

02:21:54.000 Well, I don't think we're going to die either.

02:21:57.000 I think fear-mongering is not helping anybody either.

02:21:59.000 I think you're right about that.

02:22:00.000 Things are going to get shittier.

02:22:01.000 I mean, I think that's probably why Trump wanted to buy Greenland.

02:22:03.000 He's like, I got an idea.

02:22:05.000 Let's get up there.

02:22:06.000 Such a move.

02:22:07.000 It would have been amazing if you pulled it off.

02:22:09.000 However much time got spent.

02:22:09.000 You would have turned a corner.

02:22:10.000 It was brilliant because...

02:22:11.000 He came out of nowhere, too.

02:22:12.000 Well, because he really knows how to play the media.

02:22:15.000 He's having a bad day.

02:22:16.000 He's like, I'll buy Greenland.

02:22:17.000 How does that sound okay?

02:22:19.000 Sounds pretty good.

02:22:20.000 And then we talk about it all day.

02:22:21.000 On the radio and on TV. And it's like, well, we just lost everything that you and I just discussed.

02:22:26.000 All these...

02:22:27.000 Really important issue.

02:22:28.000 Not really.

02:22:29.000 I think people are going to solve a lot of the problems.

02:22:33.000 There's going to be thoughtful people that are geniuses that are going to figure out a lot of our problems and solve them.

02:22:37.000 It doesn't mean we should give up.

02:22:38.000 I think there's going to be a way that they're going to be able to extract carbon from the atmosphere.

02:22:42.000 They have many different prototypes and many different theories that they're working on right now.

02:22:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:47.000 I don't mean to sound negative.

02:22:48.000 I'm on board with solving the problem.

02:22:50.000 I just don't want to argue.

02:22:51.000 I don't want to argue about the problem.

02:22:53.000 I want to have really thoughtful discussions about the solutions and how we can do it.

02:22:56.000 But, you know, fossil fuels have to go rapidly.

02:22:59.000 The problem is also that...

02:23:00.000 I don't know how you do that, but they have to go rapidly.

02:23:02.000 It's hard.

02:23:03.000 The problem is also that the conversation has become...

02:23:08.000 Ideologically driven.

02:23:09.000 Yeah.

02:23:10.000 Right?

02:23:10.000 If you're on the left, you think climate change is of the utmost importance.

02:23:13.000 If you're on the right, you're supposed to at least slightly dismiss it as...

02:23:16.000 I think that's a bizarre binary course.

02:23:19.000 It's the most important thing.

02:23:20.000 But it's what we do with everything.

02:23:21.000 What we do with abortion.

02:23:22.000 What we do with murder.

02:23:24.000 Yeah, but the planet.

02:23:25.000 It's the planet.

02:23:25.000 I understand.

02:23:26.000 That's how I... I always put it like, people will be sensitive about sexism or racism.

02:23:30.000 Oh, easy for you to say, white guy.

02:23:32.000 No, I'm not dismissing what's most important directly to you.

02:23:35.000 I'm looking at it in the aggregate of our species.

02:23:38.000 It's the planet.

02:23:40.000 The emergency bells are ringing.

02:23:42.000 We have to stop burning fossil fuels.

02:23:44.000 We have to.

02:23:45.000 Dude, it burns here every couple months.

02:23:46.000 Like, crazy burns.

02:23:48.000 It's horrific.

02:23:48.000 It's like what we think of a hellscape should look like on film.

02:23:51.000 You guys are living through it.

02:23:53.000 Dude, I've been here for 20 plus years.

02:23:55.000 25, I think.

02:23:56.000 25 years.

02:23:57.000 It's never been like this.

02:23:59.000 Where every 4 or 5 months, a fire erupts.

02:24:03.000 And there's a feeling that you have when a fire erupts that's real weird, man.

02:24:08.000 Explain it, because I think it's important to people.

02:24:09.000 I've been evacuated three different times, and there's a feeling that comes over you.

02:24:15.000 Like, first of all, there's, in my case, I can only speak for myself, there's a releasing of any, like, you don't...

02:24:26.000 No importance is attached to anything other than your kids and your wife. 1.00

02:24:31.000 Just get the fuck out of there. 1.00

02:24:33.000 The dog, whatever you gotta do, get the fuck out of there and realize, look, you're a human who's doing well living in the United States of America. 1.00

02:24:41.000 You already got four aces. 1.00

02:24:42.000 Just get the fuck out of there. 0.99

02:24:43.000 Stay alive. 1.00

02:24:44.000 Don't worry about your house.

02:24:45.000 Don't worry about your car.

02:24:47.000 Just get out.

02:24:48.000 Go.

02:24:48.000 That's number one.

02:24:49.000 And two is the intense fury of nature. 0.98

02:24:53.000 And when I saw the last ones when I got evacuated last year, our fucking neighbors, three of the houses burnt down. 0.98

02:25:02.000 Right across the street from my house. 0.96

02:25:03.000 So here's my house.

02:25:04.000 This house, this house, this house are gone.

02:25:06.000 And there's hundreds of houses.

02:25:08.000 All throughout Malibu, there was like 600 houses burnt to the ground, man. 0.99

02:25:12.000 And it's a fucking terrifying scene. 0.98

02:25:15.000 There was a woman, we played a video. 0.99

02:25:16.000 There's a woman who was trying to drive to go get her horses. 0.99

02:25:19.000 And she was driving through a firestorm, screaming and filming it at the same time.

02:25:26.000 What's she doing filming it? 0.80

02:25:28.000 I think she had one of those dash cam things on.

02:25:31.000 Well, I mean...

02:25:32.000 People have those...

02:25:32.000 But you're talking about a community, one community out here, and you're talking about really affluent people, so they should care.

02:25:38.000 No, man, it's everybody, dude.

02:25:40.000 Yeah, but I'm talking about Katrina.

02:25:42.000 Like, it's hurricanes, it's wildfires, and the impoverished nations...

02:25:46.000 Are suffering the most because they're burning the most fossil fuels and they have the least resources.

02:25:50.000 And we, meanwhile, are having everything we want.

02:25:53.000 And I think that that's like also kind of just a holistic experience.

02:25:57.000 We should use less.

02:25:59.000 It's a philosophical debate for sure, but we should have it.

02:26:03.000 We can use less and be happier even in so many different ways.

02:26:06.000 I don't think that's going to stop the fires though.

02:26:09.000 I don't know what you're saying.

02:26:11.000 Fires are coming because it's getting warmer.

02:26:14.000 No, it's climate change is the issue I'm talking about.

02:26:16.000 And it's people living.

02:26:19.000 But using less.

02:26:19.000 It's like, maybe.

02:26:21.000 Sustainability or reusing.

02:26:23.000 The problem is gigantic.

02:26:24.000 The problem needs to be addressed on a global scale.

02:26:27.000 Green New Deal.

02:26:28.000 The whole thing.

02:26:29.000 It's not addressed on a global scale. 0.97

02:26:31.000 China and India and all these other countries that are still polluting at a fucking rapid rate, they're not contributing to this concept. 0.71

02:26:36.000 Every one of those countries is in the Paris climate. 0.97

02:26:39.000 Every one of them.

02:26:40.000 Only we aren't.

02:26:42.000 And we just made it official.

02:26:44.000 And it's a dagger.

02:26:46.000 But do not give up and fight every day to create solutions and care about it.

02:26:51.000 That's what we should be in the streets for.

02:26:53.000 Read Bill McKibben.

02:26:54.000 Read...

02:26:54.000 Oh, I don't know if we need to be in the streets for this, but I think you're right.

02:26:57.000 You don't think that we should be out in the streets?

02:26:59.000 Do you think that's really going to stop people from burning coal?

02:27:02.000 Do you think that's going to stop people from...

02:27:03.000 Yeah, I think it's working.

02:27:04.000 I think the divestment movement has worked really, really effectively.

02:27:08.000 350.org is a very effective organization to get the fossil...

02:27:12.000 But you're talking like I'm arguing with you.

02:27:13.000 I'm sorry.

02:27:14.000 I mean, I'm not.

02:27:15.000 Dude, I think we're all on this together.

02:27:17.000 Joe, that's my tone.

02:27:18.000 I'm sorry.

02:27:19.000 No, it's okay, but it's like whenever I say something, you're talking...

02:27:22.000 I'm sorry.

02:27:23.000 What we're talking about here is there's a bunch of different solutions, but no one's arguing with you saying don't do that one or don't do this one.

02:27:30.000 What I'm saying is we've got a real gigantic problem globally.

02:27:34.000 Yes.

02:27:35.000 Just do less is not going to stop these fires.

02:27:38.000 We're already in it.

02:27:40.000 It's already happening.

02:27:41.000 We have to figure out a way to protect ourselves.

02:27:43.000 You're absolutely right.

02:27:44.000 That's actually probably the smartest thing that either of us has said in this conversation.

02:27:48.000 It's my issue, obviously.

02:27:50.000 Yeah, we have to adapt.

02:27:51.000 We have to find solutions to adapt and ways to live.

02:27:54.000 And that's what I'm talking about in terms of sustainability and biophilic design and architecture and just infrastructure in general.

02:28:01.000 We have to do that.

02:28:03.000 I feel like that's our responsibility to our kids.

02:28:05.000 We have to be mobile.

02:28:06.000 You know, one of the things that always freaks me out...

02:28:08.000 Like nomads.

02:28:09.000 Well, I study a lot of ancient history, and I'm really interested in these civilizations that they find, like when, you know, like, for some reason, like a storm takes away some water and moves to a different place.

02:28:23.000 They find some structure underneath the water they didn't know existed before, and you realize, like, oh, Jesus, there was a city here at one point in time.

02:28:29.000 This happened several times throughout history.

02:28:31.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a good one.

02:28:32.000 That's a volcano one.

02:28:33.000 But there's a bunch of these...

02:28:35.000 Places that used to be, like, during the time of the Bering Land Bridge, right?

02:28:40.000 The water was much lower, and that was only, like, what was that?

02:28:44.000 I don't know.

02:28:45.000 12,000 years ago, I think?

02:28:46.000 When the continent north...

02:28:48.000 Like, people don't know that. 1.00

02:28:48.000 That was a goddamn country. 1.00

02:28:50.000 There was a country, the way we describe it today, between Syria... 1.00

02:28:53.000 Wait, there's a nation of people living?

02:28:56.000 No, they called it the Bering Land Bridge.

02:28:59.000 It was a place called Beringia.

02:29:01.000 I didn't even know this.

02:29:02.000 I'm listening to this book on tape by my friend Steve Rinella.

02:29:06.000 It's called The American Buffalo.

02:29:07.000 I think it's called The American Buffalo.

02:29:09.000 Sounds awesome.

02:29:09.000 It's an amazing book.

02:29:11.000 But it's about the history of wildlife and Native Americans and what changed and that these people who migrated here from Siberia, how long it took them to do it, and that it wasn't even migration.

02:29:26.000 We think of it as migration, but it wasn't.

02:29:28.000 They were just following food.

02:29:29.000 And it was a slow process over thousands of years.

02:29:32.000 But we think of it as like they're going across a bridge.

02:29:34.000 It wasn't a bridge, man. 1.00

02:29:35.000 It was a fucking country. 1.00

02:29:36.000 Right. 1.00

02:29:36.000 Well, that's what's happening... 1.00

02:29:37.000 There was so little...

02:29:38.000 Look how big it was.

02:29:39.000 There was so little water because of the Ice Age that you could walk through this Beringia area. 0.98

02:29:46.000 It was fucking thousands of miles wide. 0.95

02:29:49.000 It was huge. 0.99

02:29:51.000 One of the issues in Central America is just what you're describing.

02:29:53.000 It's climate change.

02:29:54.000 Right now in Central America, the coffee growers can't grow their coffee.

02:29:58.000 Can't grow drugs, by the way.

02:29:59.000 And they can't grow their coffee.

02:30:01.000 So what are they doing?

02:30:02.000 What you just described.

02:30:03.000 They're walking up through Mexico and they're being demonized.

02:30:07.000 The only thing they're guilty of is they can't grow their crop.

02:30:10.000 Well, we have this thing that we're doing now.

02:30:12.000 But that's because of climate change.

02:30:13.000 Forgive me.

02:30:13.000 That's because the soil down there is drying up.

02:30:16.000 That's what's going to happen.

02:30:17.000 And it's forced migration.

02:30:19.000 And talking about adaption, to me, that's the most interesting thing about what your point was.

02:30:23.000 How do we adapt to people migrating away from these areas that are...

02:30:27.000 And how do we live in America on the coasts and in California?

02:30:30.000 Like, that's really...

02:30:31.000 You're going to have to move. 1.00

02:30:32.000 All those assholes that have houses on the beach. 1.00

02:30:33.000 Upstate New York, baby. 1.00

02:30:34.000 And those pokey things that stick into the ground.

02:30:37.000 The stilts, the giant...

02:30:38.000 Those people are hilarious.

02:30:38.000 Yeah.

02:30:39.000 Who's buying that house?

02:30:41.000 Yeah.

02:30:41.000 Those houses are like 10 million bucks, man.

02:30:43.000 I feel that way by, to some extent, by even going up in like a sky rise at Sirius 67th floor.

02:30:48.000 I'm like, this is silliness.

02:30:50.000 Why am I all the way up in the sky?

02:30:52.000 I don't want to work.

02:30:52.000 That brought me a sense of unhappiness.

02:30:56.000 I don't want to work or live in the sky.

02:30:58.000 These people live way up.

02:30:59.000 I don't like that.

02:31:00.000 It's a great view, though. 0.94

02:31:01.000 That view is sick.

02:31:02.000 It can really give you a little brain tingle and make you excited about writing.

02:31:06.000 Look at all those people.

02:31:08.000 I'm so high up here.

02:31:10.000 Dance everywhere.

02:31:11.000 These ideas.

02:31:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:31:12.000 I feel like any time you get some sort of surge of ideas, it can be translated into some sort of a push of creativity.

02:31:18.000 Always.

02:31:19.000 It's lovely when it happens.

02:31:20.000 A great view is a kicker. 0.99

02:31:22.000 It kicks you in the balls and gets you on. 0.98

02:31:24.000 I think, like, what's your best one? 0.99

02:31:27.000 Views?

02:31:28.000 I'm a mountain person.

02:31:29.000 I'm a mountain person.

02:31:30.000 I love mountains. 0.98

02:31:31.000 I fucking love it, man. 1.00

02:31:32.000 Fuck paintings. 1.00

02:31:33.000 Paintings can suck a dick. 1.00

02:31:35.000 Oh, is that right? 1.00

02:31:35.000 I like looking at mountains. 1.00

02:31:36.000 Is that right you won't...

02:31:37.000 I mean, paintings are cool.

02:31:38.000 I like paintings.

02:31:39.000 It's places filled with artwork.

02:31:40.000 What I'm saying is that, to me, there's no comparison.

02:31:44.000 Like, a mountain view with a lake in the background, that to me is like, whatever it is about my DNA, that to me just...

02:31:51.000 It just draws me in.

02:31:53.000 Where's the place you were in nature that you felt the most just happy, connected?

02:31:57.000 Oh, I've felt it in a lot of different places.

02:31:59.000 Great answer, first of all.

02:32:00.000 But I'm a big fan of Colorado's mountains.

02:32:03.000 I'm a big fan of the mountains of Utah.

02:32:05.000 I just love mountains.

02:32:07.000 That park in Vancouver was for me.

02:32:10.000 Park in Vancouver.

02:32:11.000 Have you ever been to that big park?

02:32:13.000 It's like Park City.

02:32:15.000 Shane, could you look up that?

02:32:16.000 I'm so embarrassed.

02:32:18.000 So it's bigger than Central Park?

02:32:19.000 Yeah, I think it's bigger.

02:32:20.000 I think the same guy might have designed it.

02:32:22.000 But it's got beach, mountains, lakes.

02:32:26.000 That's one of the best moves about New York City.

02:32:27.000 They've got a giant park in the middle of it.

02:32:29.000 That was brilliant.

02:32:30.000 The guy who designed it is a fascinating guy.

02:32:32.000 I forget his name.

02:32:32.000 That's so smart.

02:32:33.000 It changes everything. 1.00

02:32:34.000 When you're in that park, you're like, I know this is bullshit. 0.97

02:32:36.000 It's not really nature. 0.99

02:32:37.000 I found myself.

02:32:38.000 It's like nature trapped.

02:32:39.000 But it's good enough.

02:32:41.000 It's good enough.

02:32:41.000 By the way, that was so well described.

02:32:44.000 Nature traps, I feel that way.

02:32:46.000 It's by the way why I fell in resorts.

02:32:47.000 When I go to resorts, I'm like, this isn't it.

02:32:49.000 This is not Turks and Caicos right here where I'm at. 0.99

02:32:52.000 Nature is only nature when it's connected to bears and shit. 0.99

02:32:56.000 Like, if you just keep going in the woods, something can eat you. 1.00

02:32:59.000 If it's not, then it's nonsense.

02:33:01.000 And what you're in, well, there's one thing, though.

02:33:04.000 They do have coyotes now in Central Park, which is really amazing.

02:33:07.000 What is the concern about them?

02:33:09.000 We've got coyotes. 0.97

02:33:11.000 Yeah, but what are they doing?

02:33:12.000 People are like, we get coyote alerts.

02:33:14.000 They'll bite your kids. 1.00

02:33:15.000 Where they really, forgive my ignorance, folks, if you just lost your dog to a coyote, now I feel like a douche.

02:33:20.000 Well, people's kids do get bitten.

02:33:22.000 And I mean, they will take people out upon occasion.

02:33:26.000 A woman who was 19 years old in Vancouver, in fact, was killed by a pack of coyotes. 1.00

02:33:32.000 Shit happens. 0.99

02:33:34.000 I know, but that's why you worry about them in your city. 1.00

02:33:36.000 You don't want them eating your kids.

02:33:37.000 Fair enough.

02:33:38.000 You actually answered my question. 1.00

02:33:39.000 Look at that fucking park, man. 1.00

02:33:40.000 That's beautiful. 1.00

02:33:40.000 That park is where I had an experience. 1.00

02:33:43.000 I mean, I agree with you.

02:33:44.000 The mountains and the Rockies in general.

02:33:45.000 Colorado has got to be for me.

02:33:47.000 Yeah, parks are close.

02:33:48.000 That's close because it's kind of like attached to the water. 0.72

02:33:51.000 You know, the ocean's there and you've got all the trees and shit. 0.97

02:33:53.000 Oh, man. 0.94

02:33:53.000 What a beautiful place. 0.94

02:33:54.000 The real deal for me, though, is like when you're out in real wilderness and you run into real wild animals.

02:34:00.000 No human creations is my...

02:34:03.000 I want to see nothing that's created by a human.

02:34:06.000 That's my full heaven.

02:34:07.000 That's where I'm most at peace.

02:34:09.000 There's something about a campfire and you're staring up at the night sky and you're cooking dinner with your friends and just knowing around for miles, man.

02:34:18.000 It's just peace.

02:34:19.000 Rolling down the Allagash in a Roland Thurlow canvas kayak.

02:34:23.000 Fly fishing away, not catching anything.

02:34:25.000 You just see stars.

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:27.000 I wish you'd not want to catch anything.

02:34:28.000 No, that's what happened to me.

02:34:29.000 Oh.

02:34:30.000 The place that I went in Maine that we're describing way out, and we went on a fly fishing trip where I learned how to fly fish and caught zero.

02:34:40.000 Maine's tricky.

02:34:41.000 There's a reason why Stephen King's from Maine and every one of his books is horrific.

02:34:45.000 There's a reason.

02:34:46.000 What is it?

02:34:46.000 It's horror.

02:34:47.000 What is it?

02:34:48.000 I got this scar, man.

02:34:49.000 I split my finger there.

02:34:50.000 There's no people, man.

02:34:51.000 There's no people.

02:34:53.000 Right.

02:34:53.000 A bunch of comedians, me included, had a joke.

02:34:56.000 We would do bits about how you drive from Boston, and there's this one stretch before you get to Bangor, where Stephen King lived.

02:35:05.000 I did a gig there.

02:35:06.000 Husson College.

02:35:07.000 No.

02:35:08.000 No radio.

02:35:09.000 There was no radio.

02:35:11.000 You would hit the scan button and you would never find a signal.

02:35:14.000 You're like, what?

02:35:15.000 And there was a full hour, I think it was 60 miles or so, 55 miles or so, where there was no gas stations. 0.98

02:35:21.000 So you get gas and then you're on your fucking own for an hour of driving. 0.99

02:35:25.000 Love it. 0.98

02:35:26.000 And it was weird, man.

02:35:27.000 But there was something about the people that you would run into along the way.

02:35:30.000 It was disturbing.

02:35:32.000 They didn't have enough contact with people.

02:35:34.000 You know how people get rickets and they get scurvy when they don't get vitamin C? Well, people get some weird shit when they don't meet enough people. 0.97

02:35:41.000 When you're just out there in the woods with your uncle and your cousin and that's it for your whole life and then all of a sudden you're 24, listen to me. 0.98

02:35:49.000 That ain't a good combination either.

02:35:51.000 That's weird.

02:35:51.000 That is a really great idea for a bit.

02:35:53.000 I mean, that guy, his social problems when he comes into Fifth Avenue, he's got some weird interactive or lack of social...

02:36:02.000 Yeah.

02:36:02.000 He didn't get the right diet.

02:36:04.000 But that being said, now the measurement isn't...

02:36:07.000 Can you get a radio connection?

02:36:08.000 Does your phone still work?

02:36:10.000 And I think everybody should...

02:36:11.000 I mean, it's very dangerous, so not everybody should, but if you can go with a guide.

02:36:15.000 Like, that's real...

02:36:17.000 To me, that's real human connection.

02:36:20.000 That's where we're supposed to be.

02:36:22.000 And you should have that experience.

02:36:23.000 We're so connected to our screens.

02:36:24.000 I feel like that's got to be bad, but the research is not...

02:36:27.000 That we're connected to our screens, it's got to be bad.

02:36:30.000 It's an interesting conversation.

02:36:31.000 No, the research is pretty solid.

02:36:32.000 You've read Jonathan Haidt's work about it?

02:36:35.000 I've read...

02:36:35.000 The Coddling of the American Mind?

02:36:36.000 You should read it.

02:36:37.000 Gene Twangy.

02:36:38.000 It's really interesting because when he discusses...

02:36:40.000 Yeah, I'm right calling him.

02:36:40.000 Jonathan Haidt.

02:36:41.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:36:42.000 Okay, but it shows the consequences of these young kids that are getting involved in these screens.

02:36:46.000 You think that's any different with us as adults to be indoctrinated into this world of social media and constantly on our screens?

02:36:52.000 They're showing a direct correlation, particularly with... 0.91

02:36:56.000 Young girls are very vulnerable because of the pressures of social media, people talking shit about each other, isolation, bullying, and you're seeing a big uptick in self-harm, big uptick in suicide. 0.83

02:37:08.000 These are measurable statistics. 0.84

02:37:10.000 I think the data is pretty good on it.

02:37:12.000 I'm not quite sure.

02:37:13.000 You mentioned Jonathan Haidt.

02:37:14.000 The data is better than climate change.

02:37:16.000 It's as good as it gets.

02:37:18.000 The data shows a clear line.

02:37:19.000 I don't know about that.

02:37:19.000 I think it's a different type.

02:37:20.000 Dude, it shows a clear line from the invention of the iPhone to massive...

02:37:24.000 But that could just be a correlation.

02:37:25.000 Something else.

02:37:26.000 What a coincidence. 0.97

02:37:28.000 That smartphones, who every fucking kid who's 11 years old and up now has a smartphone, and every kid that you're looking at from before had a giant decrease in suicide. 0.99

02:37:38.000 It may be. 0.99

02:37:39.000 It's pretty fucking strong. 0.98

02:37:39.000 I would push back on that it's stronger than climate science. 0.98

02:37:41.000 It's pretty fucking strong. 0.98

02:37:42.000 Okay, yeah. 0.98

02:37:43.000 I think you're probably right.

02:37:44.000 I certainly want to do something about it.

02:37:46.000 And I think it's a really important issue.

02:37:49.000 That's why the, you know, connecting to nature is the answer to that.

02:37:52.000 And I mean, my kids have their phones in their faces all the time.

02:37:55.000 I think it's terrible for so many different reasons, but I'm just not sure exactly.

02:38:02.000 Number one, our generation of parents really struggling with how to solve that.

02:38:06.000 I mean, what do you do?

02:38:07.000 Well, now we're admitting it's real, okay?

02:38:09.000 So admitting it's a problem, so there is real data.

02:38:11.000 I completely admit it's a problem, and I do think there's a lot of data, just not sure about it.

02:38:14.000 I don't know if going to the woods is going to help it.

02:38:17.000 It's going to make you feel a little bit better while you're in the woods. 0.90

02:38:20.000 But I don't think it's going to, overall, there's a problem having these goddamn devices where you're constantly addicted and checking it, and you're getting these little dopamine hits. 0.52

02:38:29.000 Yep, Jonathan Haidt wrote that with, I think, or he wrote a book about that with Lenore Skenazy, who also advocated that this is the problem with, you know, parents being worried about their kids too much.

02:38:38.000 Sure, helicopter parenting.

02:38:40.000 Yeah, Jonathan Haidt talks about that too, letting kids, you know, he's talked about his own fear of letting his own kid walk his way home.

02:38:46.000 Yeah, yeah, it's real.

02:38:47.000 His kid was really young and he got lost and it was terrifying for a short amount of time for them.

02:38:52.000 But he built a life skill, probably.

02:38:53.000 He didn't die.

02:38:54.000 You know, it's all an interesting conversation about who we are now versus who we used to be, and is it better?

02:39:00.000 I think our...

02:39:01.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:39:02.000 It's a fascinating conversation.

02:39:03.000 I do think that our generation, like our kids, have...

02:39:07.000 We have more of a disconnection to what their experience is than any generation before us.

02:39:11.000 That's my argument.

02:39:12.000 I don't know if that's true.

02:39:13.000 But like, what did our parents have?

02:39:14.000 TVs.

02:39:15.000 What do we have?

02:39:15.000 Upgraded TVs.

02:39:16.000 More channels.

02:39:17.000 You know, microwaves.

02:39:19.000 But, you know, it was a gradual change.

02:39:22.000 Telecommunications gradually changed from beepers to phones.

02:39:24.000 But then, bam, back to Moore's Law, and it's just, and how do we react to all this?

02:39:29.000 How do we parent in this?

02:39:30.000 How do we live in this?

02:39:31.000 People are dying looking at the phones and their cars.

02:39:33.000 A lot of really serious consequences about them.

02:39:36.000 I kind of like, I wish we didn't have them in a way.

02:39:39.000 I don't know.

02:39:40.000 But there's no going back to that.

02:39:41.000 Morslaw specifically deals with processors, honestly, I think.

02:39:45.000 I don't think it specifically deals with...

02:39:46.000 I thought it was technology.

02:39:47.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:39:48.000 But the argument is that technology is rough.

02:39:50.000 I think it only connects to processors because I don't think they could really measure innovation that well because things come along like splitting the atom. 0.90

02:39:59.000 There's things that come along that just fucking throw a monkey wrench. 0.50

02:40:02.000 That's a great point. 0.79

02:40:03.000 I don't know if there's a benefit that we're not quite aware of.

02:40:07.000 Because I think one of the things that's happening is people are way more aware of virtually everything.

02:40:12.000 We can complain all day that we have less freedom in terms of our ability to joke around about things, and people are more restrictive with language, and all these things are true.

02:40:21.000 But isn't it interesting that this is something that's happening, right?

02:40:24.000 So there's a pushback.

02:40:26.000 So we're feeling this rejection of certain types of words that we always like to use.

02:40:32.000 We're feeling this rejection with certain behaviors that a lot of, specifically, men took advantage of.

02:40:38.000 We're seeing this giant change.

02:40:40.000 Well, why are we seeing this thing?

02:40:41.000 This giant shift is because of social media and these technologies that we're talking about that create problems.

02:40:46.000 So the question is, will this ship right itself?

02:40:50.000 Are these corrections eventually going to lead to a better society?

02:40:56.000 Are we going to be more understanding of each other once we get over these initial growing pains, which is what we're going through right now as a culture, as a society, getting accustomed to these devices?

02:41:07.000 And these devices and the connectivity that they have.

02:41:10.000 Are we going to get more responsible with them?

02:41:12.000 Are we going to be nicer to each other through it?

02:41:14.000 We're going to recognize as we get older that, hey, you know, being shitty to someone on social media is just like being shitty to someone in person.

02:41:21.000 And we shouldn't support either thing.

02:41:23.000 And then we develop this sort of ethic.

02:41:26.000 Yeah, it's a really important set of questions you just asked about social media's effect on us.

02:41:31.000 I would pinpoint one just for people to watch this Intelligence Square debate that you would love, because given your conversation that you have with people, is, I think it was, the motion was, is Twitter specifically good for democracy or does it create democracy?

02:41:45.000 And I was on the side of, yeah, it does, and I would cite examples like Egypt and even China and different places where people, and Iran, where people use Twitter to rise up.

02:41:54.000 But the argument was, It's worse because on Twitter, a lie travels so fast, so rapidly, and it's so believable that it creates more damage about things that didn't happen and conspiracy theory than it also,

02:42:10.000 you know, it's a little of both, obviously, in terms of it creating democracy.

02:42:14.000 You would think more speech...

02:42:16.000 On Twitter, it's equal, creates more democracy.

02:42:19.000 How could you argue with that?

02:42:20.000 Until you hear the other argument, which is fascinating about how much disinformation travels and how effective it is.

02:42:26.000 Well, my answer, I think, would be the same as my answer about technology, that I'm not necessarily sure it's all bad.

02:42:31.000 And I think we're going through some growing pains, but I think we go through some growing pains with virtually every new changing thing.

02:42:38.000 That's the argument that economists make.

02:42:41.000 You're talking about how it affects us, but the economic argument is interesting in terms of, is it Andrew Yang's argument?

02:42:48.000 Is the rapid technological transformation in the planet going to lead to a jobless society?

02:42:55.000 I don't know about that.

02:42:56.000 A jobless society.

02:42:57.000 And economists have always argued what you're saying.

02:43:00.000 Did the cotton gin put the farmer out?

02:43:02.000 Did the horse put the car?

02:43:03.000 All that.

02:43:04.000 But the new argument that I hear from a lot of people who are a billion times – I'm not smart.

02:43:09.000 All these people are experts.

02:43:10.000 They study this stuff – is mostly, yeah, this is way different.

02:43:13.000 The rapid change in its absolutely automation is going to kill economies around the world.

02:43:18.000 Well, the numbers are crazy.

02:43:19.000 Now, stop and think about you, right?

02:43:21.000 You're a smart guy who's had a successful radio show.

02:43:26.000 You do stand-up.

02:43:27.000 This is going to hurt in the end.

02:43:28.000 No.

02:43:29.000 You now are in this position where you have to adjust because you've been released from your job, right?

02:43:33.000 Yeah.

02:43:34.000 Yep.

02:43:34.000 But you have options.

02:43:35.000 Now, imagine you're a truck driver, and imagine that's all you've ever been, and you're 60 years old, and all of a sudden, they come along and say, hey man, we have these self-driving electric trucks that never crashed into anything.

02:43:44.000 We don't need you anymore.

02:43:45.000 And you don't have any skills.

02:43:47.000 You don't have any other way to make a living.

02:43:49.000 The angst that you feel right now, imagine that squared.

02:43:52.000 I could not agree more with you.

02:43:53.000 My perspective is, mine alone, we see things as we are, not as they are.

02:43:58.000 And thinking about, and I always talk to this about my daughters.

02:44:01.000 That's a good expression.

02:44:02.000 Yeah, my wife painted that. 0.96

02:44:03.000 Put it up on our wall.

02:44:05.000 And so my experience, it's only relative to me, but you have to widen your perspective to understand some people are struggling to just get toilet paper.

02:44:14.000 And understanding that, and your point though about the truck driver, his skill set is narrow.

02:44:18.000 And maybe his education, his grit, maybe he doesn't know how to network.

02:44:21.000 He doesn't know how to use the internet.

02:44:22.000 But he did a valuable job, and if he's going to lose his job at 63, I don't want to live in a society that worked hard, a guy who worked hard his whole life, and by the way, he's paying more as a percentage of his taxes as a truck driver than most of these guys in the financial industry, which is a complete injustice.

02:44:35.000 You know, tax on your work, how much work you're doing.

02:44:38.000 This guy should not have to go struggle and learn a new job.

02:44:42.000 He's 63. Let him ride into the sunset.

02:44:44.000 Give him a life right now.

02:44:45.000 I'd pay for that.

02:44:46.000 That sounds romantic.

02:44:47.000 If you get screwed out of your job with technology, create a system government where we take care of those people.

02:44:51.000 It sounds romantic?

02:44:52.000 Yeah.

02:44:53.000 It sounds wonderful.

02:44:54.000 But here's the problem with that.

02:44:55.000 It doesn't make people feel good to just get a check. 1.00

02:44:58.000 People feel like shit. 0.99

02:44:59.000 Right, absolutely. 1.00

02:45:00.000 Absolutely agree.

02:45:00.000 They get depressed.

02:45:01.000 That's a purpose.

02:45:01.000 I see you saying, right off into the sunset, there's a euphemism for death.

02:45:05.000 You're going to die.

02:45:07.000 I mean, you're being cute and you're making it like the end of On Golden Pond, but it's not. 1.00

02:45:11.000 That guy's going to shit himself and die. 1.00

02:45:13.000 No, no. 1.00

02:45:13.000 Let him go fish and hunt. 1.00

02:45:16.000 That's great, but he's not going to be able to do that.

02:45:17.000 He's going to be scratching and clawing to get through life.

02:45:20.000 If you're getting $1,000 a month, that's not enough to exist.

02:45:24.000 How do you feel about it, by the way?

02:45:25.000 I like it.

02:45:26.000 I like the idea.

02:45:27.000 Do you think it's realistic?

02:45:28.000 I'm open-minded.

02:45:28.000 I don't know.

02:45:29.000 I don't know what's going to happen.

02:45:30.000 But I think we should have all possible options on the table because what's happened in our lifetime from 1994 with, you know, give or take a few years, which is the invention of the...

02:45:44.000 Commercial version of the internet, right?

02:45:46.000 With all those AOL and all those things that people used.

02:45:50.000 It basically all started sort of blossoming around 1994 with mass use.

02:45:55.000 I like your jazz hands.

02:45:56.000 But here we are in 2019. So that's not that long.

02:45:59.000 That's 25 fucking years and the world is an unrecognizable place. 0.98

02:46:03.000 People have devices in their pockets all the time. 0.99

02:46:06.000 You're recording everything. 1.00

02:46:07.000 Think about all the shit that Snowden figured out. 1.00

02:46:09.000 That they're recording every goddamn phone call you make. 1.00

02:46:11.000 Every photo you take. 1.00

02:46:12.000 Every...

02:46:12.000 Email you send.

02:46:13.000 Everything's being recorded in a database to use against you someday in the future.

02:46:16.000 We have no idea what 25 years from now is going to look like.

02:46:20.000 Agreed. 0.99

02:46:20.000 If we really believe that we don't need universal income, and then it turns out we do, we fucked up. 0.99

02:46:26.000 Oh, no. 0.98

02:46:26.000 I think we have to do it. 0.98

02:46:28.000 I think we should look at all options on the table.

02:46:30.000 I don't know if it's the right option, and I think humanists, people that understand human nature...

02:46:34.000 They need a sense of purpose.

02:46:36.000 It's a great argument.

02:46:37.000 I completely agree.

02:46:38.000 Well made.

02:46:38.000 And by the way, when you say, you know, I'm open-minded about it, like, that's the conversation.

02:46:42.000 That has to keep being the conversation.

02:46:45.000 You and I have gotten into a couple of, like, arguments about little things, and it was awesome.

02:46:49.000 I learned, like, your point of view.

02:46:51.000 That's the conversation, and the idea that somehow, you know, there's got to be a beatdown, and one person has to win, and it has to be a competition.

02:46:58.000 Yeah, you have to dunk on each other.

02:46:59.000 Yeah, I mean, it's entertaining, but that's the problem.

02:47:02.000 But it collects and likes and it's valuable.

02:47:04.000 But what do you think about the idea that automation is the main driving force putting people out of work, not this idea of immigration?

02:47:16.000 I think some of it is true.

02:47:18.000 And some of that mindless work is also soul-sucking. 0.99

02:47:21.000 So you're saving someone from some assembly line job that makes them want to fucking shoot themselves. 0.98

02:47:25.000 I think both those things are true. 0.96

02:47:27.000 I mean, I think we're looking, again, for a binary answer here when it's a very nuanced issue filled with complexities and a lot of issues.

02:47:35.000 And people like to have something to do, but the problem is sometimes people get beaten down by life.

02:47:39.000 And again, they're 60x whatever it is years old, and they don't know what to do.

02:47:44.000 And then they can't live the same lifestyle that they had when they had a job, because when they had a job, they were making $1,000 a week.

02:47:50.000 They were making $50,000 a year, and now all of a sudden they're making $1,000 a month.

02:47:54.000 So you can kind of live, but how do you live?

02:47:57.000 That's why I've got to plug my podcast.

02:48:01.000 What?

02:48:02.000 To keep from riding off into the sunset?

02:48:05.000 Yeah.

02:48:05.000 I mean, like, so I can work.

02:48:07.000 You know, you want to work.

02:48:08.000 You want to do work.

02:48:09.000 I completely agree with that argument.

02:48:10.000 Listen, I don't have three jobs because it's healthy.

02:48:12.000 I have three jobs because I'm crazy and because I need to stay busy and also because I don't trust any one of these things to stick around.

02:48:18.000 Do you really not?

02:48:19.000 No, never have.

02:48:20.000 You now?

02:48:20.000 Never have, never will.

02:48:21.000 Now?

02:48:22.000 Come on, that's irrational.

02:48:23.000 Never.

02:48:23.000 Never have, never will.

02:48:24.000 Come on.

02:48:24.000 No, never have, never will.

02:48:25.000 What do you need?

02:48:26.000 I don't need anything.

02:48:27.000 I don't think that way.

02:48:28.000 I think now I'm doing it.

02:48:30.000 While I can do it, do it.

02:48:31.000 Do it and do the best you can.

02:48:33.000 It's going to vary. 0.99

02:48:34.000 Some days I suck. 0.98

02:48:34.000 Some days I'm better. 0.98

02:48:35.000 It's going to vary.

02:48:36.000 But do the best I can.

02:48:37.000 Keep doing it.

02:48:38.000 But don't think it's going to last forever.

02:48:40.000 And don't think it's going to go away either.

02:48:42.000 Don't think about it at all.

02:48:43.000 But it could go away.

02:48:45.000 The internet could go away.

02:48:46.000 Everything could go away.

02:48:47.000 People get pulled off of YouTube all the time.

02:48:48.000 You get banned from things.

02:48:50.000 Right.

02:48:50.000 Things happen.

02:48:51.000 Weird shifts take place.

02:48:52.000 Some of them are illogical. 0.90

02:48:53.000 People get banned for saying the most ridiculous things.

02:48:56.000 What weird shifts that are illogical? 0.96

02:48:58.000 I'm not following you.

02:49:00.000 What weird shifts?

02:49:00.000 Internet banning?

02:49:01.000 Sure.

02:49:02.000 Do you know who Megan... 1.00

02:49:04.000 What is her name?

02:49:04.000 Megan Murphy?

02:49:05.000 She's a woman who's a TERF. I've talked about her too many times this week.

02:49:09.000 Trans, exclusionary, radical feminist. 0.98

02:49:13.000 And she doesn't think that trans women... 1.00

02:49:18.000 I hope I'm not paraphrasing here.

02:49:21.000 She doesn't think that they should vote and speak on women's issues and that women are women who are biologically women and then you have a trans woman who dominates women's issues. 1.00

02:49:40.000 Twitter did?

02:49:43.000 Twitter did?

02:49:51.000 So that, to me...

02:49:52.000 I have no patience for that, and I had not heard about it, but that's...

02:49:55.000 That's crazy.

02:49:56.000 That's crazy.

02:49:56.000 Yeah, that's not...

02:49:57.000 No, how is that creating thought?

02:49:58.000 Talk about it.

02:49:59.000 Progressive nonsense ideology.

02:50:01.000 Well, if you can label it, I mean...

02:50:02.000 That's what it is.

02:50:03.000 That's what it is.

02:50:03.000 It's ideology.

02:50:04.000 Yeah, but I think everybody has these, I don't want to hear that, I want to shut down speech, I don't like thing.

02:50:09.000 Right, but only...

02:50:10.000 There are some people that are really consistent about it.

02:50:11.000 I like to think I am.

02:50:12.000 But only social media companies...

02:50:16.000 We're good to go.

02:50:37.000 What are we doing here?

02:50:38.000 What is this?

02:50:39.000 And what is free speech?

02:50:40.000 And is this a town hall?

02:50:41.000 And Jack Dorsey from Twitter believes it's a town hall.

02:50:44.000 He thinks everyone should have the ability to express themselves. 0.97

02:50:46.000 But that, like everything, is fucking complicated and messy. 0.96

02:50:49.000 It certainly is. 0.95

02:50:50.000 Nadine Strawson, who I think used to be something at the ACLU, wrote a book about speech and about how in Germany you're not allowed to fly the swastika and they have censorship on speech.

02:51:01.000 And that it's not effective for any of the outcomes that it's intended for. 0.99

02:51:05.000 They also make a lot of shit porn. 1.00

02:51:07.000 Is that right? 1.00

02:51:08.000 The Germans do? 1.00

02:51:09.000 Yeah, they like that.

02:51:09.000 Is there anyone in the plug?

02:51:11.000 I don't think I know any names, but for whatever reason, a lot of shit. 0.99

02:51:15.000 That's a thing? 1.00

02:51:16.000 Shit porn. 1.00

02:51:16.000 That's not a thing. 1.00

02:51:17.000 I try to be very open-minded, but I don't understand.

02:51:21.000 You don't have to understand it.

02:51:22.000 No, I don't.

02:51:23.000 But you allow people to do it, right?

02:51:25.000 I would never allow people to think about it.

02:51:28.000 That's a weird one, right? 1.00

02:51:31.000 Yeah, people want to shit in people's mouths and smother themselves in shit and have sex with each other. 1.00

02:51:36.000 My instant reaction is, what went on? 1.00

02:51:38.000 What's that about?

02:51:39.000 Oh, hell yeah.

02:51:39.000 Where's that?

02:51:40.000 I want that story.

02:51:41.000 I want that script.

02:51:42.000 How do you get to that?

02:51:44.000 That sounds very abusive and it sounds like it's a tough thing to talk about.

02:51:49.000 But no, the idea...

02:51:51.000 Of censoring speech, it backfires.

02:51:53.000 It's just not healthy. 0.88

02:51:55.000 But I think people should be generally sensitive and not assholes at the same time. 0.62

02:51:59.000 But it's also the thing about someone saying something in print that you read on Twitter.

02:52:04.000 It's like you can't even say anything back to them.

02:52:06.000 You make that argument. 1.00

02:52:07.000 You can make your own comment, but you're like, fuck, this is such a shitty way to talk. 1.00

02:52:12.000 Poison. 1.00

02:52:12.000 Yeah, it's a shitty way to communicate. 1.00

02:52:14.000 I don't engage in it anymore.

02:52:16.000 I post things up that I think are interesting.

02:52:18.000 How did you evolve on it?

02:52:19.000 I just decided.

02:52:20.000 These arguments make you riled up.

02:52:23.000 They're not healthy.

02:52:25.000 I told my daughter, hold on!

02:52:28.000 I'm arguing with someone on Twitter.

02:52:30.000 Said it out loud. 0.98

02:52:31.000 And I was like, oh, I'm the shittiest. 0.97

02:52:34.000 That's the shittiest thing that I could be doing right now.

02:52:37.000 I just think it's also, it's unmanageable when you get to a certain number of followers.

02:52:41.000 You just can't.

02:52:43.000 There's no way you can. 0.99

02:52:44.000 And it's also people are just like, they're fucking in their cubicle. 0.98

02:52:47.000 They're just trying to get a rise out of people. 0.99

02:52:49.000 They're angry. 1.00

02:52:49.000 They're shit. 1.00

02:52:50.000 They're bored. 1.00

02:52:51.000 You can't expect that everybody's existing in the same vibration that you are. 0.79

02:52:55.000 I woke up to a tweet that said, you're a pitiful person.

02:52:57.000 I was like, oh.

02:52:59.000 Don't read that.

02:52:59.000 Good morning.

02:53:00.000 Bro, you're not. 1.00

02:53:01.000 That guy's a liar. 1.00

02:53:02.000 No, no. 1.00

02:53:02.000 He doesn't even know you. 1.00

02:53:03.000 That's the thing.

02:53:03.000 It doesn't faze me at all.

02:53:05.000 It shouldn't.

02:53:05.000 It doesn't.

02:53:06.000 It is fascinating that someone would write such a thing.

02:53:10.000 It is, but it isn't.

02:53:11.000 But I'll click on him and be like, I wonder what his deal is.

02:53:14.000 Clearly he's projecting.

02:53:15.000 And I'm worried about...

02:53:17.000 I wonder what happened to that guy.

02:53:18.000 And then you look at their...

02:53:19.000 Well, you look at their picture and then you decide everything about their life.

02:53:21.000 Do you ever look...

02:53:22.000 Like, this is another reason I can't run for Congress, I think.

02:53:24.000 Like, I want to keep doing stand-up and I want to talk about things like...

02:53:28.000 You ever look at a guy like the guy I ran in the car from yesterday at LAX? I thought about how much he jerks off for a little while. 0.97

02:53:34.000 I never think about that. 0.98

02:53:35.000 I will sometimes look at that guy and be like, I bet that guy is in good for him and whatever, but that kind of...

02:53:43.000 I don't know why I brought that up.

02:53:44.000 I'll think about that now. 0.99

02:53:46.000 You brought up shitting in the mouth. 0.99

02:53:48.000 Dude, I watched a video once of this lady. 1.00

02:53:51.000 No, don't describe it. 1.00

02:53:52.000 This lady was really into guys shitting in her mouth. 1.00

02:53:56.000 She was speaking in German and they were translating it to English. 1.00

02:53:59.000 She was talking about all of her experiences and when the first time a guy did it and what kind of diet she likes a guy to follow when he shits in her mouth. 0.98

02:54:09.000 And I'm like, okay, this is not pleasant. 0.98

02:54:11.000 I'm not enjoying this, but honestly. 0.93

02:54:13.000 And this is kind of a dumb thing to talk about, right?

02:54:16.000 But here's why it's not. 0.61

02:54:17.000 Human psychology?

02:54:18.000 Yeah, that's a person.

02:54:20.000 That was a baby.

02:54:20.000 You have daughters.

02:54:21.000 I have daughters.

02:54:22.000 Yes.

02:54:23.000 That was a baby. 1.00

02:54:23.000 You try not to fuck them up. 1.00

02:54:24.000 All of a sudden, this baby is 50, and she likes guys shitting in her mouth, and she wears like... 1.00

02:54:29.000 The bar for parenting should be somewhere around no shitting on other people. 1.00

02:54:35.000 Then you know you've succeeded.

02:54:37.000 But what if you get a lot of money for it?

02:54:38.000 Like Robert Redford, Indecent Proposal with Demi Moore?

02:54:43.000 Oh, a million dollars?

02:54:44.000 I want to put myself out there right now. 1.00

02:54:46.000 Yeah, shit on your chest for a million bucks. 1.00

02:54:47.000 Please, tweet me. 1.00

02:54:48.000 It's not that long. 1.00

02:54:49.000 How long can a guy shit on you? 1.00

02:54:51.000 I've got a number. 1.00

02:54:52.000 What's your number?

02:54:54.000 What is your number? 1.00

02:54:55.000 Would you rather get shit on slowly, every day, as a clerk at Dunkin' Donuts, or one giant load on your chest? 1.00

02:55:02.000 That is like a really rough afternoon. 0.99

02:55:04.000 Not even an afternoon.

02:55:05.000 It's like an hour.

02:55:06.000 Hit me with a giant load.

02:55:07.000 You shower up. 0.99

02:55:08.000 I think everybody says hit me with a bar.

02:55:10.000 Rounds on me, boys.

02:55:11.000 I just became a millionaire. 1.00

02:55:12.000 God, just shit on your chest. 1.00

02:55:15.000 You're impending, Eric. 1.00

02:55:16.000 It's like saying that it's solid.

02:55:17.000 What if it was like a diarrhea?

02:55:18.000 You do whatever you gotta do.

02:55:19.000 A lot of variables. 1.00

02:55:21.000 Whatever, let them shit all over you. 1.00

02:55:22.000 Splatter. 1.00

02:55:23.000 All that salt water.

02:55:23.000 As long as you have goggles on and you get to close your mouth.

02:55:27.000 There's a lot of things.

02:55:29.000 Stain.

02:55:30.000 When those thought experiments come up, I'm always like, you wouldn't kiss a guy?

02:55:35.000 Never.

02:55:36.000 I told my dad this.

02:55:37.000 For how much money?

02:55:38.000 I was like, Dad, a million bucks.

02:55:39.000 He goes, no.

02:55:41.000 I go, Dad, that's preposterous. 0.99

02:55:43.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

02:55:43.000 You got a problem. 1.00

02:55:45.000 And then he goes, no, I wouldn't do it.

02:55:46.000 He calls back and he goes...

02:55:50.000 He tells me who...

02:55:53.000 He names a guy, an old Italian.

02:55:55.000 He's like, who's a...

02:55:56.000 He goes, Paul Sorvino!

02:55:58.000 Okay, that's my answer.

02:55:59.000 A million bucks.

02:56:00.000 He'd make out with Paul Sorvino?

02:56:01.000 Everybody would.

02:56:02.000 Because what would you do with that money?

02:56:03.000 You could save other people's lives.

02:56:05.000 You gotta do it.

02:56:06.000 Or you could just buy a fur coat and start bawling.

02:56:09.000 Either way, it's a million bucks.

02:56:11.000 Yeah.

02:56:11.000 No matter what, that thought experiment is- Yeah, just fly private jets until the money runs out.

02:56:14.000 Just go everywhere, party.

02:56:15.000 I don't know if I'd do that.

02:56:16.000 Well, I wouldn't either, but I also wouldn't make out with Paul Sorvino.

02:56:20.000 We're living in this fantasy world.

02:56:21.000 Why does everything have to be ethical and moral? 0.99

02:56:23.000 Just have a good goddamn time. 1.00

02:56:24.000 White fur, like snow leopard or some shit. 1.00

02:56:27.000 Something exotic. 0.97

02:56:28.000 When you say that, what do you mean, why does everything have to be ethical and moral?

02:56:32.000 You have your moral code.

02:56:33.000 Yeah, man, but I'm talking about making out with Paul Sorvino for a million bucks.

02:56:36.000 That's free money.

02:56:37.000 Oh, yeah, don't get me wrong.

02:56:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:56:39.000 You don't have to do good with that.

02:56:40.000 Right?

02:56:41.000 Everybody should.

02:56:41.000 You do whatever you want.

02:56:42.000 Whoever you want, of course. 0.99

02:56:43.000 What if Paul says, listen, you want to make it real shit right on your head? 1.00

02:56:47.000 Just take a big meaty meatball shit? 1.00

02:56:50.000 That's exactly how you imagine it would be. 1.00

02:56:52.000 Right in your fucking head. 1.00

02:56:54.000 Bang! 1.00

02:56:55.000 Extra two.

02:56:56.000 Three million bucks. 1.00

02:56:56.000 You had a bad memory of making out with Paul Servino and him shit on your head. 1.00

02:57:00.000 But at the end of the day, the guy kept his promise and now you're rich. 0.99

02:57:03.000 Then you've put me in the best mood I've been in in four weeks, man.

02:57:05.000 Well, that's good.

02:57:06.000 Let's end it with this then.

02:57:07.000 When are you going to start your podcast?

02:57:09.000 Where are people going to be able to see it?

02:57:11.000 What do you think is going to happen?

02:57:12.000 Podcast is up.

02:57:12.000 It's up now.

02:57:13.000 Yeah, I can't say it's great.

02:57:15.000 I hope you give me a chance.

02:57:16.000 I'm just figuring it out.

02:57:16.000 I put up one with that guest, Dr. Aaron Carroll.

02:57:18.000 I talked to Congressman Tim Ryan about running for Congress.

02:57:21.000 How many have you done so far?

02:57:22.000 I'm going to have a third one, hopefully, in the can tomorrow with Emily Atkin, who writes the heated newsletter about climate change.

02:57:29.000 Excellent.

02:57:29.000 But I'm taping a special, if I'm going to plug anything, in my hometown.

02:57:32.000 I'm taping a very special stand-up special.

02:57:34.000 A very special stand-up special?

02:57:35.000 Very special.

02:57:36.000 I'm going to do a very special thing.

02:57:37.000 What's it going to be for?

02:57:38.000 Do you have a buyer for it?

02:57:39.000 No, no.

02:57:41.000 I learned on this show what Andrew Schultz did and I thought it was brilliant.

02:57:44.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:57:45.000 He's nailed it.

02:57:47.000 Schultz is the master.

02:57:47.000 I texted him and I was like, dude, I admire what you did.

02:57:50.000 We don't agree on political, but that's the kind of thing I'm like, dude, he knows we don't agree.

02:57:54.000 I'm like, that's brilliant.

02:57:56.000 Good job.

02:57:56.000 What do you not agree about?

02:57:57.000 I don't know.

02:57:58.000 But I mean, he was on the show and we just argue.

02:58:00.000 About politics?

02:58:02.000 I don't even remember.

02:58:03.000 Do you argue with everybody?

02:58:04.000 Yeah.

02:58:05.000 You a little argumentative?

02:58:06.000 Yeah, it's not a good quality.

02:58:08.000 Was I agitating?

02:58:10.000 No.

02:58:11.000 No, you didn't agitate me.

02:58:11.000 I like you.

02:58:12.000 But you definitely were like...

02:58:16.000 You have an argument mode that you fall into.

02:58:18.000 It's bad.

02:58:19.000 It's my flaw.

02:58:20.000 I hate it.

02:58:21.000 You can get out of that.

02:58:22.000 I'm working on it.

02:58:23.000 Yeah.

02:58:23.000 I think that you could see the change.

02:58:25.000 Totally surmountable.

02:58:26.000 Today.

02:58:27.000 Yeah.

02:58:27.000 But, I mean, it goes back and forth.

02:58:29.000 You know, I don't want to defend it.

02:58:30.000 I don't want to be defensive, but I feel really...

02:58:32.000 I guess I'm very sensitive about a lot of things.

02:58:35.000 So I get passionate, and I get that tone, and it's the worst thing in a relationship.

02:58:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:58:40.000 I mean, like, it's not...

02:58:41.000 You don't want to be annoying.

02:58:42.000 It's like what I said about podcasts.

02:58:44.000 You know, that's the thing.

02:58:46.000 People hearing your voice, it's not just your thoughts, right?

02:58:49.000 The way you express your thoughts, it changes...

02:58:54.000 If you express them well, in a nice way, it changes how people absorb those.

02:58:59.000 It sounds so simplistic, but it's true.

02:59:01.000 I think when you talk about how to communicate on your podcast, it's often one of the best things you do.

02:59:06.000 I've learned a lot from it.

02:59:07.000 I've been listening to you talk about trying to understand people and listen to people you don't disagree with, and I'm just sitting there beating myself up.

02:59:13.000 I'm like, I've got to be better at that.

02:59:15.000 And the idea that I would get, you know, that I was too argumentative today, it's like, oh man, I'm sorry.

02:59:19.000 I never want to communicate that way.

02:59:21.000 I don't think it's effective.

02:59:21.000 I completely agree with your thoughts on it.

02:59:23.000 It's completely ineffective.

02:59:25.000 Well, we get better at it.

02:59:26.000 I wonder how the pod affected me.

02:59:28.000 Probably got you a little jabber jaw on. 0.60

02:59:30.000 What do you think?

02:59:30.000 That's when things changed, right?

02:59:32.000 Got a little jabber jaw on when the pot came out.

02:59:34.000 I started getting verbose.

02:59:35.000 I knew I shouldn't have touched it.

02:59:36.000 Yeah, you maybe shouldn't have the second hit.

02:59:39.000 I only had one.

02:59:40.000 I knew.

02:59:41.000 I knew.

02:59:43.000 This one you gotta stay on the surfboard.

02:59:45.000 Good role modeling.

02:59:46.000 No, dude, it's fine.

02:59:47.000 It's all good.

02:59:48.000 But I think that...

02:59:50.000 If I've learned anything from doing this podcast, it's how to be better at talking to people.

02:59:56.000 I've learned from listening to this podcast how to be better.

03:00:00.000 Yeah.

03:00:01.000 There's an art to it.

03:00:02.000 There's a dance.

03:00:02.000 I completely agree with you.

03:00:04.000 It's like dancing with someone.

03:00:04.000 You're dancing with someone in a conversation.

03:00:06.000 They do condition you to be argumentative in live radio.

03:00:10.000 All the people who think they know. 1.00

03:00:12.000 Oh, the producers and shit. 1.00

03:00:13.000 Oh, the program directors. 1.00

03:00:14.000 I'm lucky.

03:00:14.000 I never had a job.

03:00:15.000 Yeah, but I mean, it's toxic.

03:00:17.000 I agree with you.

03:00:18.000 It's a toxic way to communicate.

03:00:19.000 It's not effective.

03:00:20.000 If you're trying to convince someone, don't do it like that.

03:00:23.000 No, I imagine.

03:00:24.000 I mean, imagine trying to go from being a cable news broadcaster on Fox TV, like Shepard Smith, and then have him try to do a podcast.

03:00:32.000 He's in that fake voice, no matter what.

03:00:35.000 That fake voice is coming out.

03:00:37.000 I mean, they're all doing it.

03:00:38.000 It's like, this is the climate.

03:00:40.000 You're absolutely right.

03:00:41.000 You're very right about that.

03:00:42.000 And that's why I think your podcast, by the way, is very...

03:00:44.000 I think it's not the sexiest thing to talk about.

03:00:47.000 But it's a huge part of why this discussion is so popular, because people like a thoughtful, open-minded discussion.

03:00:53.000 I mean, what do you agree?

03:00:54.000 People like to think.

03:00:56.000 Some people pretend they don't, but it's really because they're bored with what they have to do all day, so they don't want to think.

03:01:01.000 But if you have some time and you're a curious person, you like to hear other people thinking too, and you like to hear someone who's thinking either in a way like, oh, I would think about that too, or in a way like you hadn't considered.

03:01:14.000 Like, oh, this guy's making me think.

03:01:16.000 Or this woman's got an idea that I never considered.

03:01:19.000 Or this guy's got a solution that I never thought was possible.

03:01:24.000 I try to measure – I think measuring intelligence is one great definition I've heard is by how good the questions are.

03:01:32.000 Like, are you curious?

03:01:34.000 I've tried to instill and engender my daughter's sense of curiosity about everything rather than saying, you're going to do it because I'm your father and I said so.

03:01:40.000 Like, I'm going to explain to you why that's – and try to, you know, create critical thinking skills.

03:01:47.000 That's how I measure intelligence.

03:01:48.000 How good are your questions?

03:01:50.000 You're really curious.

03:01:50.000 I mean, that's why the art of the interview, learning something, which is what I'm definitely trying to...

03:01:56.000 That's what I did for 12 years in SiriusXM.

03:01:57.000 That's what I want to do with the podcast.

03:01:59.000 Getting people who are a billion times smarter than me.

03:02:02.000 I don't know anything about anything.

03:02:03.000 I think it's definitely going to help you, too, to be free of people's influence.

03:02:07.000 Some production people and executives.

03:02:11.000 I work with some talented people that contribute to good things. 1.00

03:02:14.000 Also wondering when the day's going to come like it did, where they drop the fucking hatchet on you. 0.99

03:02:17.000 Don't need that ever again. 0.99

03:02:18.000 Always worried about that.

03:02:19.000 Have it over your head.

03:02:20.000 Mm-mm.

03:02:21.000 Done.

03:02:22.000 So, what's the name of your podcast?

03:02:24.000 Stand Up with Pete Dominic.

03:02:25.000 Oh, it's the same as your show. 1.00

03:02:26.000 You fucking animal. 1.00

03:02:27.000 Do you own that? 1.00

03:02:29.000 Yeah, they let me have it.

03:02:29.000 Sirius can't sue you?

03:02:31.000 You get it in writing?

03:02:32.000 Very gracious. 1.00

03:02:33.000 You're talking a lot of shit about them. 0.99

03:02:34.000 You get it in writing? 1.00

03:02:35.000 I did not talk any shit about them. 1.00

03:02:36.000 I've talked a lot of shit about them. 0.99

03:02:37.000 I did not. 0.99

03:02:38.000 I think what they did for me...

03:02:39.000 It was really great, but I think corporate media in general is the conversation.

03:02:44.000 They're all kind of in the same system.

03:02:46.000 I've worked and made money out of all of them.

03:02:48.000 I'm excited to be independent, but I can't deny that they created a platform for a really thoughtful conversation for 12 years.

03:02:54.000 I can't.

03:02:55.000 You don't have to.

03:02:56.000 Yeah.

03:02:57.000 It was a good life for me.

03:03:00.000 Beautiful.

03:03:01.000 And now it's on to the next thing.

03:03:03.000 Now it's on like Donkey Kong.

03:03:04.000 The Syracuse Funny Bone, November 29th and 30th. 0.99

03:03:06.000 Oh, shit. 0.98

03:03:06.000 PeteDominic.com. 0.98

03:03:08.000 Right?

03:03:09.000 PeteDominick.com.

03:03:10.000 StandupwithPeteDominick.com.

03:03:12.000 Twitter, Instagram.

03:03:13.000 Joe Rogan, I love you.

03:03:14.000 I love you too, buddy.

03:03:15.000 Good luck.

03:03:15.000 I really admire you and what you've done here.

03:03:18.000 Jamie, thank you.

03:03:18.000 You guys are awesome.

03:03:20.000 Bye, everybody.

03:03:22.000 Woo! 0.99

03:03:24.000 Shouldn't have taken a second.

03:03:25.000 Hit! 0.95

03:03:26.000 No, it was good, man.

03:03:27.000 You sure?

03:03:28.000 What's the matter, Jamie?

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 08, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1380 - Pete Dominick

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