The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1382 - RZA & Donnell Rawlings

00:00:02.000 Boom.

00:00:03.000 Okay.

00:00:03.000 So, now that I'm the producer of the Don L. Rawlings podcast.

00:00:06.000 We already established that.

00:00:07.000 We established that.

00:00:08.000 Yes.

00:00:08.000 We've taken off the RZA. Sir, thank you for being here.

00:00:11.000 Thank you.

00:00:12.000 I'm going to give him a beat.

00:00:14.000 Man!

00:00:15.000 He's going to be, you're going to have music.

00:00:18.000 It's going to be hip-hop.

00:00:19.000 From hip-hop world.

00:00:19.000 Yo, first off, when you said that, I'm saying, I got a button down too.

00:00:24.000 Don't just assume it's all hip-hop.

00:00:26.000 That was insulting.

00:00:28.000 Not hip-hop.

00:00:29.000 I would love any genre. 0.89

00:00:31.000 If you have a vision or you see or even connected to this at all, whatever you feel, I fucking got to feel it.

00:00:37.000 And I make it work. 0.99

00:00:38.000 I think your idea of driving around talking shit is a great one. 0.99

00:00:42.000 I like when Bill Burry did a podcast doing that. 0.99

00:00:44.000 He basically did these little video things doing that.

00:00:46.000 But driving with Donnell is a great idea.

00:00:48.000 Or even just, don't limit it. 0.99

00:00:50.000 Do whatever the fuck you want. 0.96

00:00:51.000 If one day you want to drive, drive. 1.00

00:00:52.000 If one day you want to sit in your living room, just talk shit in your living room, do that. 1.00

00:00:56.000 The day was a good day for me because I knew it was coming to do your show. 0.99

00:01:01.000 And I've been ducking the question and evading it for so long.

00:01:04.000 When I see you, I can't even be real with you like I want to. 0.99

00:01:07.000 And I was like, I said, fuck, man, I'm doing Rogan in two hours. 0.99

00:01:11.000 I gotta go do a podcast. 0.99

00:01:13.000 What are you writing?

00:01:15.000 I was just writing podcasts cause I don't know if he was doing a podcast or a podcast.

00:01:19.000 P.O.D. P.O.D. I know, so I'm just kinda, you know, I'm just taking notes.

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 Yo, yo, it's just gonna be like, it's just gonna be, I wanted Joe to stop bullying me. 0.90

00:01:31.000 I didn't want him to talk shit cause every time I see him, every time I see him, he be like this, we have a regular conversation, then he just start doing like this. 0.99

00:01:40.000 I'm like, this nigga about to hit me, right? 1.00

00:01:42.000 Yo, he said, he said, what's up with the podcast? 1.00

00:01:45.000 We gonna shoot that shit to the moon! 1.00

00:01:47.000 Uh-oh. 1.00

00:01:48.000 Come on, man.

00:01:48.000 He said, he started doing this?

00:01:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:50.000 It's that high school, like, 3 o'clock.

00:01:52.000 I'm just trying to get him enthusiastic.

00:01:53.000 I'm like, you're too good.

00:01:54.000 You're too good to not have a podcast.

00:01:56.000 And I said, and I'm gonna tell you, I could go in front of thousands and thousands of people. 1.00

00:02:01.000 I ain't tripping off that shit. 0.99

00:02:02.000 But it was just something about me talking to myself. 0.99

00:02:05.000 Talking to myself.

00:02:06.000 I never did that.

00:02:08.000 44 minutes.

00:02:11.000 Do you ever talk to yourself?

00:02:12.000 I never did that.

00:02:12.000 You know what?

00:02:13.000 I gotta admit, you gotta talk to yourself.

00:02:15.000 But I never did it.

00:02:17.000 But you know what?

00:02:18.000 You gotta start, bro.

00:02:20.000 Let me say, I gotta say this.

00:02:22.000 Yo, yo, no, the real talk. 0.99

00:02:23.000 Today, I've been talking to Joe, no bullshit. 1.00

00:02:26.000 I've been talking to Joe about this shit for five months. 1.00

00:02:28.000 We talked about it, people, his fans were talking about it. 1.00

00:02:30.000 And I ain't gonna front.

00:02:31.000 I was a little nervous about it.

00:02:33.000 And I was like, ah, ah, ah. 0.99

00:02:35.000 And then when I did it, today when I finished it, I felt good as shit, son. 0.99

00:02:40.000 See what I mean? 0.98

00:02:41.000 I felt like this.

00:02:42.000 I was like, oh, it's about to be on, son.

00:02:44.000 It's on.

00:02:44.000 See?

00:02:45.000 We just had to get moving.

00:02:46.000 That's all you needed.

00:02:47.000 You just needed a launch.

00:02:48.000 Who started their podcasts off with Joe Rogan, producer, and Ariza, producer?

00:02:55.000 And Jamie Vernon doing the technical difficulties.

00:02:57.000 Jamie was mad at me at first, though.

00:03:00.000 Jamie wasn't trying to help me at all, Joe.

00:03:02.000 I was trying to call.

00:03:03.000 I'm trying to talk like a white person, Joe.

00:03:05.000 I'm talking like a white person.

00:03:07.000 Yo, I didn't want to throw the child in. 1.00

00:03:09.000 He wanted me to say, fuck it then, right? 1.00

00:03:11.000 I was trying to figure it out. 1.00

00:03:13.000 And I said, okay, Jamie.

00:03:17.000 You're absolutely right.

00:03:18.000 I agree with you 100%.

00:03:20.000 Absolutely.

00:03:20.000 I said, what can I do to help me and you?

00:03:25.000 We're going to make it happen.

00:03:27.000 And we worked it out.

00:03:28.000 We worked it out.

00:03:28.000 He didn't want to turn my internet on.

00:03:30.000 He didn't want to put me online or nothing, son.

00:03:32.000 There's a couple of companies that offer a turnkey sort of situation.

00:03:37.000 What is the one who does Eric Weinstein's podcast and...

00:03:42.000 It does...

00:03:43.000 You gotta Google that.

00:03:45.000 They have a service.

00:03:47.000 They have a company.

00:03:48.000 And they get all the ads for you and they take a certain percent.

00:03:52.000 And then they set up a studio for you. 1.00

00:03:54.000 You don't have to think about shit. 0.99

00:03:55.000 You just go in and be yourself. 1.00

00:03:56.000 We know it's crazy.

00:03:59.000 Not that I'm jumping on Donnell's bandwagon right here.

00:04:02.000 You can, though.

00:04:03.000 What's wrong with that?

00:04:04.000 You know, I'm not used to that.

00:04:07.000 I'm not used to jumping on bandwagons.

00:04:09.000 But let me just say, yo.

00:04:11.000 Nah, maybe for the last few months, since we started the Hulu, the American Saga series, people have been pushing me to do a podcast, right?

00:04:23.000 They would love listening to you.

00:04:24.000 I ended up not doing one, but we have one for the show, of course, that kind of does, you know, like after the show goes on, you can go and listen and hear, you know, more inside details of the story.

00:04:35.000 But still, during that process, it was like, you need to do a podcast, Rez, because...

00:04:42.000 Just the way you think.

00:04:44.000 You just need more people with that kind of thinking.

00:04:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:47.000 So when he just said that he talked to us, you know, he don't talk to himself.

00:04:50.000 But then after he was finished talking to himself for 44 minutes, he felt a weight come off him.

00:04:56.000 I was, son.

00:04:57.000 But there's a scripture on that, bro.

00:04:59.000 What is it?

00:05:00.000 The scripture is in the Bhagavad Gita.

00:05:02.000 Is that the Quran?

00:05:03.000 No.

00:05:04.000 No.

00:05:05.000 I don't know.

00:05:05.000 I know.

00:05:06.000 The Koran is the Koran. 0.96

00:05:07.000 All right.

00:05:08.000 I just need to know.

00:05:09.000 So the Bhagavad Gita means the song of God.

00:05:12.000 Just pick G-I-T-A. Gita. 0.85

00:05:14.000 The Gita, right?

00:05:15.000 It's actually the words of Krishna.

00:05:17.000 And he says, contemplation with yourself, which is talking with yourself, will take you further than praying.

00:05:25.000 Ooh.

00:05:27.000 Okay?

00:05:27.000 And if a man is not contemplating...

00:05:30.000 Right?

00:05:31.000 If you're not, whether you're doing it verbally, like right now we're talking out loud.

00:05:35.000 We all got that voice in our head.

00:05:37.000 You had that voice, you was like, yo, I put the condom on and not.

00:05:42.000 You had that voice and you know, if you listen to it or you don't listen to it, but the bottom line is that According to Krishna, it's that contemplation that makes us better.

00:05:55.000 It's that reflection of what we did, what we're going to do.

00:05:59.000 And you verbalize it even out loud.

00:06:03.000 I mean, the spoken word is even more powerful.

00:06:05.000 You get it out.

00:06:06.000 That's how I felt. 0.99

00:06:08.000 But I'm telling you, part of it was like, I was not letting Joe talk shit to me. 1.00

00:06:12.000 I was like, fuck that, man. 1.00

00:06:14.000 He's not doing that. 1.00

00:06:15.000 But I'm glad I did it, man.

00:06:17.000 The Bhagavad Gita did not reach him.

00:06:20.000 Yeah, you gotta do a podcast, son.

00:06:22.000 You should.

00:06:24.000 I think, look.

00:06:25.000 Son, son, son.

00:06:26.000 People get mad at me.

00:06:27.000 Son, they get mad money too, son.

00:06:30.000 You can make money.

00:06:31.000 What?

00:06:32.000 The most important thing is that you have a voice.

00:06:34.000 You're an interesting guy.

00:06:35.000 If you did a podcast, it would be interesting.

00:06:37.000 There's a lot of people.

00:06:37.000 It's good to have a bunch of different people doing it from all different styles of art, different walks of life.

00:06:44.000 If a person has already been involved, Interesting.

00:06:47.000 People want to keep getting different pieces of you.

00:06:50.000 How can you give it to them?

00:06:52.000 Dude, they would love to hear you just talk about life.

00:06:53.000 Come on, man. 1.00

00:06:54.000 That's a fucking... 1.00

00:06:55.000 Easy. 1.00

00:06:55.000 That's bananas. 1.00

00:06:56.000 That's a no-brainer.

00:06:57.000 You're here quoting the Bhagavad Gita.

00:06:58.000 It's you and Duncan Trussell, the only people who quote the Bhagavad Gita.

00:07:02.000 That's hilarious.

00:07:03.000 I love that book.

00:07:04.000 Oh, that's an amazing book, man.

00:07:05.000 That's what Oppenheimer quoted when he watched the first atomic bomb blow off.

00:07:10.000 He said, I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

00:07:12.000 A quote right from the Bhagavad Gita. 1.00

00:07:14.000 That's crazy shit. 0.99

00:07:17.000 Yeah, that is a fascinating book, man. 1.00

00:07:21.000 There's all sorts of allusions to UFOs and shit. 0.95

00:07:24.000 I was about to say that. 0.98

00:07:25.000 You talk about the Maharata, which is a longer version.

00:07:29.000 So the Bhagavad Gita is about 700 verses that's taken out of the Maharada, which is one of the longest It's not the longest poem, but it's in the top ten.

00:07:38.000 How do you say it?

00:07:39.000 Is it Mahabharata?

00:07:40.000 How do you say it?

00:07:41.000 Yeah, you might have...

00:07:42.000 That B is in there.

00:07:43.000 I don't know if that B is silent.

00:07:44.000 Yeah, that's the one with all B. I don't even know words that got a silent B. Mahabharata.

00:07:49.000 What word has a silent B? I never even know those words existed.

00:07:55.000 Mahabharata.

00:07:55.000 A silent B? No, that's got a B in there.

00:07:58.000 That B makes noise.

00:08:00.000 Right?

00:08:01.000 But there's vimanas in that, right?

00:08:04.000 Where there's flying crafts. 0.99

00:08:06.000 There's a bunch of weird shit that people throughout history have tried to figure out what the fuck are they talking about? 0.99

00:08:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:12.000 And, you know, that ancient civilization was measuring what they call coppers every 35,000 years, you know?

00:08:20.000 And they were saying, you know...

00:08:22.000 Measuring coppers?

00:08:23.000 Yeah, no.

00:08:24.000 That's like K-A-P-P-A. Like Kappa Donna.

00:08:27.000 Oh.

00:08:29.000 I got a tendency to...

00:08:30.000 I want to just make a disclaimer real quick.

00:08:32.000 I have a tendency to pronounce words the way I pronounce them.

00:08:36.000 I have a tendency to listen and understand the words the way you pronounce it, son. 0.86

00:08:40.000 Words are everything I love, my nigga.

00:08:43.000 Yo, wait a minute.

00:08:45.000 Can I say this real quick?

00:08:47.000 I forgot this one.

00:08:48.000 I did my show earlier, right, son?

00:08:50.000 Joe said he never spent a 16, son.

00:08:53.000 Oh, you never spit a six?

00:08:54.000 No, I didn't.

00:08:55.000 I'm very white.

00:08:56.000 Eight?

00:08:57.000 No!

00:08:58.000 No, man, I didn't even know what he was talking about.

00:09:00.000 I had to, like, go over it with him.

00:09:01.000 Tell him the bars you said you spit.

00:09:03.000 I said hip-hop.

00:09:05.000 Oh, he was in a classic.

00:09:06.000 He was asking me about Sugar Hill, and I said, yeah, I remember that, and then I started singing it.

00:09:11.000 I don't think I was actually about Sugar Hill, son.

00:09:13.000 I think we talked about it.

00:09:14.000 No, no, no.

00:09:14.000 I wish I could remember exactly.

00:09:16.000 Didn't he?

00:09:16.000 I think you did.

00:09:17.000 We went to Sugar Hill after a period of time.

00:09:19.000 Yeah, you asked me if I knew.

00:09:21.000 No, no.

00:09:21.000 This is what I said.

00:09:22.000 You haven't spit 16. You was like, this is what you told me, Joe.

00:09:25.000 You said, I don't have time to spit 16. No, I don't have any time to rap.

00:09:28.000 This is what you said.

00:09:29.000 No, you said, I have much better things.

00:09:31.000 I said, I enjoy it.

00:09:32.000 You said, Joe.

00:09:33.000 I enjoy listening to it.

00:09:34.000 I don't have time to do it.

00:09:35.000 That's what Joe.

00:09:35.000 You said, I have much better things to do with my time than to spit 16. I don't think that's what I said.

00:09:40.000 I'm pretty sure that's what you said.

00:09:41.000 What I said was, I'm too busy to do one more thing.

00:09:45.000 And I like rap, but I don't like to do it.

00:09:48.000 Maybe I would love it, but I'm not going to.

00:09:50.000 I don't have any time.

00:09:51.000 Okay.

00:09:51.000 That's all it means.

00:09:52.000 It's not your thing, yo.

00:09:52.000 Yeah, that's all it means.

00:09:54.000 Don't try to twist it.

00:09:55.000 I didn't twist it.

00:09:56.000 The tape speaks for itself.

00:09:57.000 I am the producer of your show.

00:09:59.000 And you are treating me like a terrible man.

00:10:03.000 I'm fired already.

00:10:04.000 Misquoting.

00:10:05.000 Edit it.

00:10:05.000 You're gonna edit it out.

00:10:06.000 Let's edit this.

00:10:07.000 We were talking about how few white rappers ever actually make it.

00:10:10.000 Like, the tiny percentage in comparison to the ones who try it.

00:10:13.000 Like, how many of them try it?

00:10:14.000 You gotta think there must be millions and millions that have tried it.

00:10:16.000 Right?

00:10:18.000 There's like a small handful of guys.

00:10:21.000 Well, in all reality, it's a small handful...

00:10:24.000 Period.

00:10:26.000 That's true, too.

00:10:28.000 So if you look at the ratio, I'm a ratio guy.

00:10:30.000 So as we talk, you'll see I'm always pulling some numbers into things.

00:10:34.000 But if we look at the ratio, let's say one million white guys tried.

00:10:38.000 Right.

00:10:39.000 Five made it.

00:10:41.000 Let's say, 50 million blacks tried.

00:10:44.000 You see what I mean?

00:10:45.000 So it's usually the ratio.

00:10:48.000 Right.

00:10:48.000 Many more are doing it.

00:10:49.000 I see what you're saying.

00:10:50.000 Yeah.

00:10:51.000 Makes sense.

00:10:51.000 But hip-hop, let me just say something about hip-hop, because I can say that, right?

00:10:55.000 It's dead?

00:10:56.000 No.

00:10:57.000 I thought you made me nervous.

00:10:59.000 I was just checking.

00:11:00.000 I was like, you killed it.

00:11:02.000 Tekashi tried to kill it, but go ahead.

00:11:05.000 No, the beautiful thing is that hip-hop is really one of those...

00:11:09.000 No, he did!

00:11:09.000 Okay, I'm sorry.

00:11:10.000 No, no, it's all good.

00:11:11.000 I like this energy here.

00:11:14.000 But hip-hop is a pure American... 0.78

00:11:17.000 Creation?

00:11:18.000 Culture, yeah.

00:11:19.000 It's like, you know, people try to trace it.

00:11:21.000 Nah, man.

00:11:22.000 Trace it right here.

00:11:23.000 And when it was formed, right, it's definitely, you know, a lot of young black men, you know, you go back to Cool Hulk and Grandmaster Flash and And Melly Mel and Spoonie G, you know, you can go back to the classes, you know, Grandmaster Kaz,

00:11:39.000 right?

00:11:40.000 But within Grandmaster Kaz crew, the Co-Crust brother, you got Charlie Chase, right? 0.90

00:11:46.000 So you got the Spanish brothers there.

00:11:48.000 But then our first hip-hop songs that we love, you know, LL Cool J, Rock the Bells.

00:11:54.000 Oh, guess who produced that?

00:11:56.000 Rick Rubin.

00:11:57.000 He got the white brother there. 0.78

00:11:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:59.000 We was talking about that.

00:12:00.000 So the youth culture of America at that time, right?

00:12:04.000 Even with Fab Five Freddy going down...

00:12:06.000 You know, town to the CBGB crowd and all that, and Blondie and all these things was melding from our culture.

00:12:14.000 Now, whereas, of course, it's dominantly a black expression, right?

00:12:19.000 We could say we dominated the culture, but it took angles from every other part of New York.

00:12:26.000 To make it exist.

00:12:27.000 And that means it took our Spanish brothers and their culture. 1.00

00:12:31.000 It took our white brothers and their culture to all form it. 0.99

00:12:34.000 And then, of course, when Wu-Tang came, we brought the Asian culture in.

00:12:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:38.000 Wu-Tang, when you say that, it's like it came in like a thunderstorm.

00:12:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:44.000 So we should be proud and know that it's like an inclusive...

00:12:53.000 It is.

00:12:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:54.000 And look, Bruce Lee, who was an American, right?

00:12:59.000 He represents the Asian culture, but he was born in America, went back, made it big in Hong Kong, and came back to America and took it to the next level again.

00:13:08.000 And when you look at some of those breakdance moves and some of the philosophies that he brought to mixing more styles together, you know, Jeet Kune Do, which means the way of the intercepting fists, or also the way of he combined boxing with fencing with Wing Chun.

00:13:26.000 He put all those MMAs together before it was even that, right?

00:13:31.000 When it was taboo.

00:13:32.000 Exactly.

00:13:33.000 Hip-hop also is that same type of product.

00:13:37.000 Where you do have the soul of James Brown, the jazz of the loneliest monk.

00:13:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:43.000 The rock beat of Billy Squire.

00:13:46.000 Yeah.

00:13:46.000 I got a big beat.

00:13:48.000 Or Honky Tonk Walkin' by Rolling Stones.

00:13:49.000 Those are break beats.

00:13:50.000 But yet you also got the Latin feeling of the Mambo Kings. 0.94

00:13:55.000 And songs like Apache and The Mexican.

00:13:58.000 Do you think hip-hop is evolving and not just...

00:14:02.000 Because is it evolving...

00:14:05.000 In a sense of the creativity of it.

00:14:09.000 Because people, they got a situation now where it don't have to evolve.

00:14:13.000 People have found a way to make money off of something that people may not agree with.

00:14:17.000 It's like hot.

00:14:18.000 But do you think hip hop is evolving?

00:14:20.000 Yes, it always evolves, right?

00:14:22.000 So it's part of the evolution we're seeing now is whereas we, in my generation, we relied on music that was created before us because we came in a time when they took music programs out of school.

00:14:36.000 Right?

00:14:36.000 So you didn't learn how to play a guitar, a piano.

00:14:38.000 And your music equipment or your instrument became your turntables.

00:14:43.000 It became your drum machine.

00:14:45.000 Right.

00:14:45.000 Eventually became our sampler.

00:14:47.000 And then we sampled a lot of songs, a lot of breaks from old records that already existed.

00:14:53.000 Right.

00:14:53.000 Right?

00:14:53.000 But this generation, right...

00:14:56.000 They're not actually forced to sample.

00:14:59.000 They actually could take their keyboard, their drum machine, their laptop and just create.

00:15:04.000 And on their phone, too.

00:15:05.000 Yeah, and on their phone and just create the beat, right?

00:15:07.000 And so now the beat has no historical reference to it in the sense of, oh, that was a James Brown sample.

00:15:13.000 That was a Marvin Gaye sample.

00:15:15.000 No.

00:15:15.000 That's just that kid who, whether he did Fruity Loops and threw some chord progressions together, or whether he sat there on his garage band on his phone and hit the guitar program that comes with it, or whatever, the creativity of it is now having this form of originality.

00:15:33.000 Now, of course, once something like that happens, there's a formula.

00:15:37.000 So we keep hearing that same formula exists right now.

00:15:39.000 But I think one of the greatest evolution of hip-hop I'm going to use the word evolution loosely because when I think about the Cold Crush Brothers and the Force MDs, they did this anyway in the beginning.

00:15:55.000 But hip-hop has become more melodic.

00:15:58.000 Now than it did in the 90s, in the early 2000s, right?

00:16:02.000 So what I mean by that, you know, rappers now, you know, I'm just so D, like it's all melody, it's all, you know, it's all chanting, right?

00:16:15.000 It has the reggae chant vibe to it.

00:16:18.000 When we was doing it, I smoke on the mic like smoking Joe Frazier.

00:16:21.000 It was all aggressive chop rap, you know what I mean? 0.97

00:16:25.000 So to see that it evolves to this melodic form, and then you look at Kanye, he now took it to gospel.

00:16:32.000 It's melodic as hell right now.

00:16:34.000 Snoop took it to Snoop Lion.

00:16:36.000 But Snoop Lion, Snoop was really successful.

00:16:39.000 The Snoop Lion thing wasn't that successful, but the one he won, the gospel album, I think he was getting awards and nominated and stayed on top of Billboard for a while.

00:16:48.000 Yeah, and now Kanye is in that world.

00:16:51.000 So it's evolving, right?

00:16:53.000 But church is even different now. 1.00

00:16:54.000 You got fucking pussy-eating preachers now. 1.00

00:16:57.000 What you mean, now? 1.00

00:16:58.000 What?

00:16:58.000 No, I'm just saying, like, viral.

00:17:00.000 No, I'm just saying, no, I'm sorry.

00:17:02.000 I didn't know.

00:17:02.000 What's going on?

00:17:03.000 I didn't know.

00:17:03.000 They had this one...

00:17:05.000 You didn't hear pussy, son? 1.00

00:17:06.000 You didn't know what's going on? 1.00

00:17:08.000 No, I don't know exactly what's going on.

00:17:10.000 Say that again slow, brother. 1.00

00:17:12.000 The pussy-eating preacher. 1.00

00:17:14.000 What is that? 1.00

00:17:15.000 A pap?

00:17:15.000 Jamie, Google it!

00:17:16.000 Google it, son! 1.00

00:17:17.000 It was like, I'm pretty sure Preacher's been eating pussy for a while, but this one got caught on camera and he went viral, son. 1.00

00:17:24.000 On Pornhub? 1.00

00:17:25.000 It's not Pornhub.

00:17:26.000 No, no, no.

00:17:27.000 Is that real?

00:17:28.000 Yeah, it looks like it.

00:17:29.000 Yo, it's real.

00:17:30.000 Women doing little signs like, if you was on a deserted island, who would you want to be? 1.00

00:17:35.000 And they got somebody else, they got somebody else, and they got the preceding preacher. 0.95

00:17:40.000 I know it's kind of disgusting. 0.50

00:17:41.000 Where's he from?

00:17:42.000 From New York?

00:17:43.000 I don't know.

00:17:43.000 He from down south.

00:17:44.000 They on guard hard down there.

00:17:46.000 They on guard hard?

00:17:47.000 They on guard hard.

00:17:50.000 They don't got hard, son.

00:17:52.000 They out of North Carolina, South Carolina.

00:17:53.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:17:54.000 That's him right there.

00:17:55.000 They say he's speaking tongues.

00:17:56.000 I don't want to see that.

00:17:56.000 Oh, wait.

00:17:57.000 That's the pussycats. 1.00

00:17:58.000 Yeah, they blocked it all out with pussycats so that you can't see your pussy. 1.00

00:18:02.000 I'm a little naive. 0.99

00:18:04.000 It's the internet, kids.

00:18:05.000 These wacky kids.

00:18:06.000 They love cats.

00:18:06.000 And this guy's conjugation is going up.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, it's going up.

00:18:11.000 People are dissonant.

00:18:12.000 They're like, look at God.

00:18:13.000 Won't he do it? 1.00

00:18:14.000 Girls like getting their pussy eaten. 1.00

00:18:16.000 It's a fact. 1.00

00:18:16.000 Listen, nothing wrong. 1.00

00:18:17.000 Listen, man.

00:18:18.000 That's one thing about sex.

00:18:19.000 Can I use a little more scientific word here?

00:18:22.000 Please.

00:18:23.000 Cunnilingus.

00:18:23.000 Ah.

00:18:24.000 All right.

00:18:25.000 I feel you, but nah.

00:18:27.000 Listen, but just like you said earlier, you're going to speak the way you normally talk?

00:18:31.000 Yeah.

00:18:31.000 So, condolingus.

00:18:32.000 I use condolingus in my daily conversation, okay? 0.90

00:18:37.000 No, but condolingus is, look, it's fellatio, whatever you guys want to do. 0.99

00:18:42.000 This is part of sex. 0.99

00:18:43.000 So, it is what it is, right?

00:18:46.000 And, of course, everybody likes it. 0.62

00:18:49.000 Everybody likes sex. 0.56

00:18:51.000 Listen, I don't think you're going to find a species that don't like sex. 0.94

00:18:56.000 You can see two flies on top of each other.

00:18:59.000 You ever see two flies?

00:19:00.000 They smash in the air.

00:19:02.000 Doing 360s, yo.

00:19:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:05.000 You know, doing verticals too.

00:19:07.000 You ever see eagles do it? 0.93

00:19:08.000 They have to fly through the air and they almost crash to the ground while they're fucking because they kind of like run out of space. 0.98

00:19:14.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:19:15.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 The guy's trying to nut on the way down.

00:19:18.000 If they don't make it, sometimes they'll bounce off trees and shit. 0.96

00:19:21.000 You ever seen it? 1.00

00:19:22.000 You should watch Eagles Fuck. 0.99

00:19:23.000 Jimmy Schubert used to have a great bit about it. 0.99

00:19:25.000 I don't know if he still has it, but he had a great bit about Eagles.

00:19:29.000 Eagles Fuck is not the name of a band. 0.94

00:19:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:19:31.000 A metal band. 0.99

00:19:33.000 Eagles Fuck. 1.00

00:19:35.000 Do they go to sleep afterwards? 1.00

00:19:36.000 I don't know.

00:19:37.000 I don't know a whole lot about it, but I remember learning about it from a Jimmy Schubert bit. 0.99

00:19:41.000 Yeah, this is them fucking. 1.00

00:19:43.000 They fuck, and they just lock up until he gets it off. 1.00

00:19:46.000 She's like, no, let go. 1.00

00:19:47.000 You're not going to come.

00:19:48.000 He's like, I'm going to get it off. 1.00

00:19:51.000 Damn, he fuckers. 1.00

00:19:52.000 You know what I like about that? 1.00

00:19:52.000 Those are American eagles right there, brother. 1.00

00:19:55.000 Americans fuck, taking a big risk for cum. 1.00

00:19:57.000 I mean, this is bananas. 1.00

00:19:59.000 This is the real thing.

00:20:00.000 And then apparently they'll disjoin when they get too close to the ground.

00:20:02.000 With no emotions.

00:20:03.000 There are no emotions involved with this.

00:20:04.000 Look at his face, though.

00:20:05.000 He had that face like...

00:20:06.000 You saw what I did to that, wasn't it?

00:20:08.000 No emotion involved with that at all.

00:20:10.000 It's a terrible animal to have as our national animal.

00:20:13.000 It's a raptor. 1.00

00:20:14.000 A vicious raptor that doesn't give a fuck about anything. 1.00

00:20:17.000 But when that motherfucker spread his wings, that look is like... 1.00

00:20:21.000 That look and flying is what gives it that... 1.00

00:20:27.000 It's good if you want the world to be scared of you.

00:20:29.000 An eagle is a good one.

00:20:33.000 Man, one of the forms of kung fu that I had to learn is the eagle claw, which is a very good thing.

00:20:38.000 If you want me to show you...

00:20:40.000 Nah, man, you ain't got to do no moves on me, man.

00:20:42.000 I know you.

00:20:43.000 Wu-Tang forever. 0.97

00:20:45.000 Don't bitch me out of that. 0.97

00:20:46.000 When did you get into kung fu movies? 0.99

00:20:48.000 Wow.

00:20:49.000 I got into those, like, I saw my first kung fu movie, I think, at the age of nine, right?

00:20:54.000 Wow.

00:20:55.000 And, you know, that was probably only my third movie experience.

00:20:58.000 How?

00:20:59.000 Only because, you know.

00:21:00.000 Right.

00:21:00.000 I mean, nowadays, you know, you can see movies anywhere.

00:21:02.000 Back then in the early 70s.

00:21:04.000 You had to go somewhere.

00:21:05.000 You had to go somewhere.

00:21:06.000 And, listen.

00:21:07.000 Oh, you got to have a tape!

00:21:09.000 No, no, no, no tape.

00:21:11.000 No, no, this is before VHS. I'm talking about going to the movies.

00:21:15.000 Let me give you a little movie history for the RZA. First movie I ever saw was Huckleberry Finn.

00:21:24.000 Down south, my cousin took me to the movies.

00:21:26.000 I was maybe 6 or 7 years old.

00:21:28.000 Second time to the movie theater.

00:21:29.000 Second time, my Uncle Hollis took me.

00:21:33.000 It was a double feature.

00:21:35.000 It was Star Wars and The Swarm.

00:21:41.000 Right?

00:21:42.000 And listen to how all this stuff affects my life.

00:21:44.000 The killer bees, the swarm, Wu-Tang killer bees.

00:21:47.000 Third time to the movie theater.

00:21:50.000 Right?

00:21:51.000 Or third or fourth time.

00:21:52.000 Because I saw Rocky and then I saw...

00:21:56.000 A double feature starring Bruce Lee, which is called Furia the Dragon, and another movie called Black Samurai starring Jim Kelly. 1.00

00:22:04.000 Oh man, that was the shit. 0.99

00:22:05.000 And once I saw that... 1.00

00:22:08.000 Yo, that nigga's fucking motherfuckers. 1.00

00:22:10.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 1.00

00:22:11.000 He was a bad pre. 1.00

00:22:12.000 He was fucking bitches and everything. 1.00

00:22:14.000 Go ahead. 1.00

00:22:15.000 Once I saw that, I was hooked on the action kung fu movies.

00:22:18.000 What?

00:22:19.000 And then I saw...

00:22:20.000 As a double feature, you had to.

00:22:21.000 As a double feature.

00:22:22.000 Yeah.

00:22:23.000 That's like, bam, bam!

00:22:25.000 Ten to the age of nine.

00:22:27.000 And mind you...

00:22:27.000 That was the birth of Wu-Tang Clan.

00:22:29.000 And mind you, back then, to go to the movies, my family didn't have the $1.25.

00:22:35.000 Like, to get the money to go to the movies, it may take six months.

00:22:39.000 And when we got to the movies, I'm going to tell you this family, my family.

00:22:43.000 This is back when I was still eating meat, pork, swine.

00:22:46.000 You know, we used to kill the pig.

00:22:48.000 We used to raise him, name him. 1.00

00:22:50.000 Kill them, eat them. 1.00

00:22:52.000 Alright? 1.00

00:22:53.000 But, so now I'm in New York City living with my grandmother.

00:22:56.000 Send me the movies.

00:22:57.000 Rocky's playing.

00:22:59.000 Everybody's coming to see Rocky.

00:23:02.000 We gotta bring our Sunday dinner to the theater with us. 0.96

00:23:05.000 Oh, nigga! 1.00

00:23:07.000 And yo, and my grandma stuffed pig feats in there. 0.98

00:23:11.000 Collard greens, potato salad.

00:23:13.000 Joe, you would never know this, Joe.

00:23:14.000 Wow.

00:23:15.000 In the movies.

00:23:16.000 All the people who got popcorn, goobas. 1.00

00:23:18.000 They let you bring it in?

00:23:19.000 Back in those days, you could...

00:23:21.000 But you know what?

00:23:21.000 You were sneaking in, too.

00:23:22.000 Yeah, you had a big bag.

00:23:24.000 You knew what the big bag was.

00:23:26.000 Nobody was thirsty. 1.00

00:23:27.000 One motherfucker might get a soda. 0.99

00:23:28.000 They was like this. 1.00

00:23:30.000 They share it.

00:23:31.000 Like, yo, let me tell you something.

00:23:33.000 We walked for years.

00:23:35.000 I walked right past all the concessions.

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 Everything.

00:23:39.000 Popcorn, hot dogs, Twizzlers.

00:23:42.000 Never had no money for that shit. 1.00

00:23:43.000 I walked straight in the theater. 1.00

00:23:44.000 Yeah, I'm with them.

00:23:46.000 Because, listen, think about a dollar...

00:23:49.000 For a snicker.

00:23:50.000 You couldn't even get a snicker when it was $0.40.

00:23:52.000 Nope.

00:23:53.000 We used to ask our parents, hey mom, you got 25 cents?

00:23:57.000 What'd she say?

00:23:58.000 Boy, I ain't got good cents.

00:24:00.000 I ain't got no cents.

00:24:01.000 I ain't got good cents, boy.

00:24:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:03.000 So we from that era.

00:24:04.000 But at the end of the day, though, those movie moments, you know what I mean?

00:24:08.000 They really inspired me, really took me to a world that was different from the project world that I lived in.

00:24:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:16.000 And once I started seeing movies like The Five Deadly Venoms and 36 Chambers and...

00:24:24.000 And Masked Avengers and Super Ninjas, all that.

00:24:26.000 When you start seeing those now, you're like in a period.

00:24:29.000 And you're seeing all this action and it's just, it starts resonating with me.

00:24:33.000 And maybe around the age of 14, I just ended right here.

00:24:36.000 I won't talk the whole show over it.

00:24:38.000 But around the age of 14, I'm watching...

00:24:40.000 Niggas want to listen. 1.00

00:24:41.000 Yeah, don't worry about it.

00:24:42.000 I'm watching...

00:24:43.000 Eating Tito's a tonic here?

00:24:45.000 Remember last time you gave me a drink, son?

00:24:47.000 Do you want a drink?

00:24:48.000 Yeah, I'll take Tito's.

00:24:49.000 You don't drink, right?

00:24:50.000 You don't drink.

00:24:51.000 You're a vegan.

00:24:52.000 Y'all don't drink, right?

00:24:52.000 You say, I'm a vegan.

00:24:53.000 I don't drink.

00:24:54.000 Nah, just ask your question. 1.00

00:24:55.000 Vegan don't do shit, son. 1.00

00:24:56.000 Ain't no meat and vegan? 1.00

00:24:58.000 Ain't no meat and drinks?

00:24:59.000 I didn't know, but someone be like, what is the potato?

00:25:02.000 And then is it, I don't know how, you know, they be like, is it corn syrup?

00:25:06.000 Is this dehydrated?

00:25:07.000 What's the origin of it?

00:25:08.000 I don't know.

00:25:09.000 There's a lot of wine that's not vegan, apparently.

00:25:12.000 Yeah, they put egg whites in a lot of wine.

00:25:13.000 Is that what they do?

00:25:14.000 Egg whites.

00:25:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:15.000 I don't even really, to be honest, I don't even really know what the fuck a real vegan is. 0.99

00:25:20.000 How you doing?

00:25:22.000 Okay, what does that mean?

00:25:23.000 You can't eat any animal products.

00:25:26.000 What is it?

00:25:28.000 It ain't that you can't, right?

00:25:29.000 Well, if you are claiming to be a vegan, a vegan diet is no animal products. 0.99

00:25:33.000 So do true vegans give a fuck about vegan for the health of it or for actually what it's doing to animals and shit? 0.99

00:25:39.000 Both. 1.00

00:25:39.000 For sure. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Really?

00:25:40.000 Yeah.

00:25:41.000 So you You give a fuck about how chickens are slaughtered and shit is the reason? 1.00

00:25:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:46.000 To be honest with you, bro, I just hit you with this right here. 1.00

00:25:50.000 The reality, how I feel, no animal needs to die for me to live.

00:25:56.000 Okay?

00:25:57.000 My son turned 14 this year, never had a piece of meat in his life, He's going to do eight pull-ups right now.

00:26:07.000 My oldest son, having to have meat in his life, he could bench over 200 pounds.

00:26:15.000 6'2", 8-pack, played guitar, piano, Great memory.

00:26:23.000 He never had no hot dogs or nothing.

00:26:24.000 Never had a hot dog.

00:26:25.000 He never had a hot dog.

00:26:27.000 Hold on.

00:26:28.000 He never had a hot dog.

00:26:29.000 He never had a hot dog.

00:26:29.000 You ain't never...

00:26:30.000 You think he never, ever had a hot dog.

00:26:33.000 How old is he?

00:26:34.000 18?

00:26:34.000 Listen.

00:26:35.000 How old is he?

00:26:35.000 18?

00:26:36.000 21. 21. He never...

00:26:38.000 Son.

00:26:39.000 Listen.

00:26:39.000 Okay.

00:26:40.000 If he had a hot dog, it was a vegan hot dog.

00:26:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:43.000 Not at a grandma house or nothing?

00:26:45.000 Nah, nah.

00:26:45.000 Nah?

00:26:46.000 The whiskey?

00:26:47.000 But I'm not knocking it.

00:26:48.000 The point being made to you, right, bro, is that...

00:26:51.000 I'm only saying that to say that I can look at my household as a living example that you don't need...

00:26:57.000 I'm with you.

00:26:59.000 That to live.

00:26:59.000 I ain't mad.

00:27:00.000 I'm not arguing whatever, especially so now. 1.00

00:27:03.000 I talk shit about vegans and shit. 1.00

00:27:05.000 I talk shit about plant-based motherfuckers. 1.00

00:27:08.000 But I know now, the way people cook it, And the more options, there's more options to eat like that than it was when I was coming up. 1.00

00:27:17.000 When I was coming up, it was just like that sunrise patty.

00:27:19.000 That's the only vegetarian.

00:27:21.000 And they can tell you to eat some broccoli or carrots or something.

00:27:23.000 But it wasn't no options.

00:27:25.000 And it wasn't so many people doing it where you wouldn't find no vegan restaurant.

00:27:30.000 It would be one spot.

00:27:32.000 You got to go way over there.

00:27:33.000 You go to a Jamaican spot in Brooklyn, if you was a vegetarian, you had that one steamed pie and they had the mixed vegetables.

00:27:39.000 That's the only thing you was going to get that didn't have no meat in it.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, I became vegetarian.

00:27:44.000 So me and ODB, right?

00:27:46.000 Yeah, man, why you switch on me?

00:27:48.000 But I'll do it.

00:27:48.000 You can have that?

00:27:49.000 Yeah, Tito's.

00:27:49.000 Jamie went to get the Tito's.

00:27:50.000 You're a Tito's man?

00:27:52.000 I got to change my flight.

00:27:53.000 I ain't going.

00:27:55.000 We got him.

00:27:56.000 We got him.

00:27:57.000 We got him in first class.

00:27:59.000 What I got to do, what I got to do, I could like, and plus I ain't really see my son that much.

00:28:03.000 What I got to do, I could do it anytime tomorrow.

00:28:06.000 I'm going to see somebody.

00:28:07.000 I could be there four hours later.

00:28:09.000 I need to get some time with my son and I'm chilling here.

00:28:11.000 So, I know I ain't get invited, but.

00:28:14.000 Hey.

00:28:14.000 What are you talking about?

00:28:15.000 Have a seat.

00:28:16.000 You're here.

00:28:17.000 So, did you, when did you stop eating meat?

00:28:20.000 How many years has it been?

00:28:21.000 I haven't had a piece of red meat Since 1995. Wow.

00:28:27.000 And what about fish?

00:28:28.000 I haven't had a piece of poetry since 1996. After we finished the Liquid Sword album, I guess.

00:28:36.000 And I haven't had fish.

00:28:38.000 I stopped eating fish in 1997. Damn. 0.99

00:28:42.000 I feel the average motherfucker feel good if he can hold on to fish. 1.00

00:28:46.000 You feel good, like a Presbyterian? 0.99

00:28:48.000 Cheers, my man.

00:28:49.000 Oh, you got squash?

00:28:51.000 He's got turmeric coffee.

00:28:54.000 Yo, you got squash, son?

00:28:56.000 Yeah, I'm drinking vegan.

00:28:58.000 Do you not drink any alcohol?

00:28:59.000 No, no, no.

00:28:59.000 I got some vegan Kool-Aid.

00:29:01.000 Would you like a glass?

00:29:02.000 No, no.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, I had a good weekend of drinking, so I'm going to take the weekdays.

00:29:06.000 Congratulations.

00:29:07.000 Thank you.

00:29:07.000 I respect that, son.

00:29:08.000 I respect that, son.

00:29:09.000 I like to drink, but if I have a heavy weekend, I gotta take some chill pills.

00:29:17.000 Do you monitor your nutrition and make sure you get all your bases covered, your amino acids and your proteins?

00:29:25.000 Are you mostly a whole food diet or do you supplement?

00:29:29.000 No, I don't really monitor, yo.

00:29:31.000 Right?

00:29:32.000 I don't eat a lot, personally.

00:29:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:34.000 Like, on a good day, if I'm on my best, the best riser, I'm eating once a day anyway.

00:29:40.000 Once a day?

00:29:41.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 What's a typical meal?

00:29:43.000 I haven't eaten today.

00:29:44.000 Really?

00:29:45.000 No.

00:29:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:46.000 I got something.

00:29:47.000 You're going to love this.

00:29:49.000 I got some lettuce wraps. 1.00

00:29:50.000 Yo, you give him that shit you tried to give me, son. 1.00

00:29:52.000 That I want to eat after I might finish this. 1.00

00:29:55.000 Yo, why you act like I'm against being a vegan?

00:29:57.000 I'm not against it, man.

00:29:58.000 I'm not saying you're against.

00:29:58.000 I'm just saying you're going to love this.

00:30:00.000 I know, but I never said I wouldn't love it, son.

00:30:02.000 I'm not mad at your diet, man.

00:30:04.000 Only thing I'm saying is, you know, I don't know a lot of vegans.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, this is something that you would eat, right?

00:30:09.000 F-bombs.

00:30:10.000 You would eat one of those, right?

00:30:11.000 What's this?

00:30:12.000 The weeds, right?

00:30:12.000 It's nut butter.

00:30:13.000 No, it's just nut butter.

00:30:14.000 Nut bomb.

00:30:15.000 I don't like how that sounds.

00:30:15.000 I told you, son!

00:30:17.000 I told you, son!

00:30:18.000 I told you, son!

00:30:19.000 You gotta rename this one.

00:30:21.000 Yo, that's the first thing I said, y'all. 0.89

00:30:24.000 Fat bomb.

00:30:24.000 That you can't lead in with nuts.

00:30:26.000 You can't lead in with nuts.

00:30:28.000 Healthy oils.

00:30:29.000 You can't lead in with nuts.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, nuts.

00:30:31.000 Cool.

00:30:32.000 Crunched up nuts.

00:30:32.000 Can I say crunched up nuts?

00:30:33.000 Is that alright?

00:30:34.000 Yeah, you can't lead in with nuts.

00:30:35.000 There's no butter in it anyway.

00:30:38.000 Like, you just try to say everything nut related.

00:30:42.000 But I eat a lot of those.

00:30:43.000 It makes sense, but I'm just not used to a liquid diet.

00:30:46.000 Some people are cool with a liquid diet.

00:30:48.000 I'm just not comfortable with it.

00:30:49.000 It tastes good, and if I just need nutrition, real quick. 0.92

00:30:52.000 There's no bullshit. 0.85

00:30:53.000 I take one of these with me. 0.99

00:30:54.000 Yeah, you gotta...

00:30:55.000 I'm not mad at your...

00:30:56.000 I'll get them to send you some.

00:30:57.000 I'll get them to send you some.

00:30:58.000 Okay. 1.00

00:30:59.000 It's great shit, man. 1.00

00:31:00.000 Well, I like me. 1.00

00:31:01.000 Just reading it, it makes so much sense.

00:31:03.000 Very healthy.

00:31:04.000 It's basically just protein and organic dark chocolate.

00:31:07.000 I'm going to say this to you, brother.

00:31:08.000 No offense on this.

00:31:09.000 Man, why you keep...

00:31:10.000 Why you keep...

00:31:12.000 Because...

00:31:12.000 Man, but everything you...

00:31:13.000 Only if we don't say this to you because it won't go to him.

00:31:16.000 This don't work on him.

00:31:17.000 All right.

00:31:18.000 But every time you say something to me, you say it like, before you start tripping out, I'm not...

00:31:22.000 Nah, nah, don't do that.

00:31:24.000 Yes, you are.

00:31:25.000 You're like, let me do it.

00:31:26.000 Go ahead, go ahead.

00:31:27.000 I'm going to say something to you, gentlemen, but this is for you.

00:31:29.000 Okay.

00:31:30.000 No, no.

00:31:31.000 It has dark chocolate in it, right?

00:31:33.000 Okay.

00:31:33.000 So dark chocolate is known to reduce high blood pressure.

00:31:37.000 Right.

00:31:37.000 And us as black men...

00:31:39.000 We're, you know, they say we have high blood pressure.

00:31:41.000 Right.

00:31:42.000 Based on us being in America, not getting that real natural sun.

00:31:47.000 Right.

00:31:47.000 And having a high sodium diet.

00:31:49.000 I understand.

00:31:49.000 High blood pressure.

00:31:50.000 Dark chocolate helps reduce it.

00:31:52.000 So this is...

00:31:52.000 Good for me.

00:31:53.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 It's good for everybody.

00:31:54.000 But why you got to just direct it at me?

00:31:56.000 Like, I need dark chocolate.

00:31:58.000 Well, brother...

00:31:59.000 I'm just saying, I don't even know why you felt like I needed the dark chocolate.

00:32:03.000 I don't know.

00:32:03.000 I had to...

00:32:04.000 You know what?

00:32:06.000 I just... 0.99

00:32:07.000 No, I'm just saying, you keep pointing at me and shit. 0.98

00:32:12.000 I'm sorry, I like dark chocolate like everybody else like dark chocolate. 0.99

00:32:15.000 You like milk chocolate or dark chocolate?

00:32:17.000 I like dark chocolate.

00:32:18.000 You know what's great?

00:32:20.000 What? 1.00

00:32:21.000 Watch this shit on TV. This is my shit. 1.00

00:32:23.000 Watch what on TV? The Food That Made America. 1.00

00:32:26.000 Anybody watch that yet?

00:32:27.000 No.

00:32:27.000 What is it?

00:32:28.000 Food Channel?

00:32:29.000 No.

00:32:30.000 Maybe it's a History Channel or one of them stations.

00:32:32.000 But they go into the Hershey Company, the Mars.

00:32:37.000 Oh, is that the same people that did The Men That Made America?

00:32:40.000 Yeah.

00:32:40.000 It's an A&E docuseries.

00:32:41.000 I didn't know.

00:32:42.000 I didn't see that one.

00:32:42.000 But that one about the men that made America?

00:32:44.000 Yeah.

00:32:45.000 I got to watch it.

00:32:46.000 Go ahead.

00:32:46.000 Did they cover Kellogg's?

00:32:48.000 They covered Kellogg's, yo.

00:32:49.000 Check out how Kellogg's start, yo.

00:32:51.000 I got a story for you to know.

00:32:53.000 Tell the story about how here it is.

00:32:54.000 I got a story for you to know why black people like Pepsi. 0.96

00:32:56.000 But hold on, let him tell the Kellogg's story because you're not even going to believe this.

00:32:59.000 Okay, Kellogg's start because he's just a doctor with a little, they call it sanitary, what they call it?

00:33:06.000 Sanitarium.

00:33:06.000 Yeah, is it sanitary?

00:33:07.000 Is that what we had?

00:33:10.000 I pronounce the words wrong sometimes.

00:33:12.000 Whatever it is.

00:33:12.000 But anyway, he's a doctor, right?

00:33:14.000 No, sanitarium.

00:33:14.000 There it is.

00:33:15.000 Battle Creek Sanitarium.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, so he's there, right? 1.00

00:33:17.000 Nigga, I never knew that motherfucker, that Kellogg, yo. 1.00

00:33:21.000 He's a real man. 1.00

00:33:23.000 I didn't know he was a real motherfucker. 1.00

00:33:25.000 I did not know Kellogg was a motherfucker. 1.00

00:33:27.000 Dude, he invented cereal to keep people from having sex and beating off. 1.00

00:33:31.000 He invented cereal. 0.88

00:33:33.000 Ever!

00:33:34.000 He invented cereal to calm people's sexual desire.

00:33:37.000 Really?

00:33:37.000 And their diet.

00:33:38.000 Because they were sick there and he thought the best way to get the nutrients, he would bake all this grain together and then break it up and serve it to him.

00:33:47.000 No, he didn't pour milk.

00:33:48.000 His brother actually was the one that was like, put some milk in it. 0.99

00:33:51.000 Oh, it's always somebody trying to fuck this. 0.99

00:33:54.000 He's like, nah, I need something. 0.99

00:33:56.000 It needs something.

00:33:57.000 Pour some milk in it.

00:33:58.000 Well, he was right.

00:33:59.000 It's the truth. 1.00

00:34:00.000 Oh, that's the best shit. 1.00

00:34:01.000 After sex? 1.00

00:34:01.000 Oh my goodness. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Oh yeah, after sex. 1.00

00:34:03.000 Yo, you gotta have after sex, son. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Golden grams. 0.99

00:34:07.000 Immediately.

00:34:08.000 Now check out the punchline of the story, right? 0.99

00:34:12.000 So Kellogg's is doing this shit and his brother's like, yo, listen, man. 0.99

00:34:15.000 There's money in this. 1.00

00:34:16.000 We can sell this.

00:34:17.000 But Kellogg's, he's a doctor.

00:34:18.000 He's already making money.

00:34:19.000 He's like, nah, man, look.

00:34:20.000 His brother's a little dyslexia.

00:34:22.000 He ain't really kind of got it together.

00:34:24.000 He's telling his brother, look, we ain't doing all that, son.

00:34:26.000 Just go to work and do what I tell you.

00:34:28.000 Right.

00:34:29.000 So he's going to work and do what he tells him.

00:34:31.000 And then one guy comes over to the sanatorium.

00:34:33.000 No money.

00:34:34.000 He can't afford to pay.

00:34:35.000 He has to work it off.

00:34:37.000 Right.

00:34:37.000 So they let him work it off, right?

00:34:39.000 He's working.

00:34:40.000 He's eating the cereal every morning.

00:34:41.000 And he's just checking out the sanatorium.

00:34:43.000 And he looks around.

00:34:45.000 His name is Mr. Post.

00:34:47.000 Mr. Post?

00:34:48.000 Yeah.

00:34:49.000 He leaves the sanatorium.

00:34:51.000 And before Kellogg's starts Kellogg's cereal, Mr. Post started post cereal, homie. 0.95

00:35:00.000 He came out with Post and blew up.

00:35:03.000 Wow, I forgot about Post.

00:35:05.000 Yo, for real, was it beef?

00:35:07.000 Was it like cereal beef?

00:35:08.000 Oh, it was cereal beef for the whole, like, it's still good.

00:35:12.000 You know, that's why Pepsi-Cola, right?

00:35:14.000 You ask yourself, black people love Pepsi-Cola, right? 1.00

00:35:17.000 I was talking to this white dude one time, he said, you know why black people like Pepsi? 0.91

00:35:19.000 I was like, you're trying to be racist, right?

00:35:21.000 And he explained the story to me.

00:35:23.000 Back in like the 30s, when Coca-Cola and Pepsi was the two volume bottling companies, and Coca-Cola was smashing Pepsi on sales.

00:35:33.000 Like $125 million, like $3 million in sales per year, right?

00:35:37.000 Pepsi needed to do something to get a different audience. 0.97

00:35:41.000 So Pepsi painted basically Coke to be either racist or not really caring about the black community.

00:35:49.000 Pepsi was the first corporation that started putting black people on the cover of the posters.

00:36:05.000 Yeah.

00:36:06.000 Yeah.

00:36:16.000 Quantity-wise, like say if you had 10 ounces of Pepsi, 10 ounces of Coke, Coke would charge like 20 cents, and Pepsi would charge like 10 cents, but basically you're getting double what you want.

00:36:24.000 You give a nigga sugar, it don't matter, you can charge it up, right? 1.00

00:36:27.000 So that's the reason, and then if you think about that, through generation to generation, that's the reason why a person can be disconnected from a certain brand. 0.72

00:36:36.000 Think about it, if you at home, right, you got Pepsi and Coke, and then you hear somebody say, man, we don't drink that Coke, man, that's how white people sold it.

00:36:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:43.000 You won't drink it anymore.

00:36:44.000 And that's what they did.

00:36:45.000 It's a book called The Real...

00:36:48.000 Jamie, pop it up.

00:36:49.000 The Real Pepsi Challenge.

00:36:51.000 The Real Pepsi Challenge.

00:36:53.000 That's interesting.

00:36:54.000 I'm going to look into that.

00:36:54.000 I think this would be...

00:36:55.000 I looked into trying to get the rights to it some kind of way.

00:36:59.000 I got blocked early on.

00:37:00.000 Maybe I ain't had the right Jutane playing on my team to get it done. 0.64

00:37:05.000 But The Real Pepsi Challenge.

00:37:06.000 The Real Pepsi Challenge.

00:37:07.000 Read the synopsis.

00:37:09.000 How one pioneering company broke the color barrier in 1940s American businesses.

00:37:15.000 Wow.

00:37:15.000 And see, you wouldn't see them back then.

00:37:17.000 You wasn't seeing posters of a working mom. 0.98

00:37:21.000 You were just seeing, like, serving and stuff.

00:37:23.000 And that's when...

00:37:24.000 Is that an audio version of that book? 0.89

00:37:26.000 I'll buy it the fuck out of it.

00:37:26.000 I'm pretty sure it is.

00:37:27.000 I'm pretty sure it is.

00:37:28.000 But it's a great story.

00:37:29.000 You could just see...

00:37:31.000 You read it, you could just see the outfits they was wearing. 1.00

00:37:33.000 And, like, the Pepsi dudes, they was a Pepsi motherfucker. 0.99

00:37:36.000 They was a Pepsi niggas. 1.00

00:37:37.000 They were just... 1.00

00:37:38.000 They had money to go throw parties and shit. 1.00

00:37:39.000 Right, right. 0.99

00:37:40.000 They was like...

00:37:42.000 Just pep it up.

00:37:44.000 Yep.

00:37:44.000 Pepsi it up.

00:37:45.000 Pep it up.

00:37:46.000 Do you know that Coca-Cola to this day is made with cocaine?

00:37:49.000 Not to this day.

00:37:50.000 I heard early on.

00:37:50.000 No, it's this day.

00:37:51.000 They make it with cocaine.

00:37:52.000 They use coca leaves, and then they extract medical cocaine from that, and then there's a company that makes...

00:37:57.000 Price does it.

00:37:58.000 Yep.

00:37:58.000 There's a company that extracts it for them and makes medical cocaine, and they have coca leaves that are shipped to Coca-Cola to make Coca-Cola.

00:38:08.000 There's a certain flavor that those coca leaves give it.

00:38:10.000 No cocaine anymore.

00:38:11.000 I thought it was the sugar.

00:38:13.000 No, but there's a company that's connected to it that actually uses those coca leaves and extracts the medical...

00:38:19.000 There is medical cocaine, like lidocaine. 0.95

00:38:21.000 They use it for different surgeries and shit like that. 0.83

00:38:24.000 That's true, right? 0.92

00:38:25.000 Well, yeah.

00:38:26.000 In the series, the food that made America, they go into Coca-Cola.

00:38:30.000 Crazy.

00:38:31.000 I can't believe that.

00:38:31.000 They can still buy Coke.

00:38:32.000 And yo, he said...

00:38:33.000 But the inventor of Coca-Cola was hooked on...

00:38:39.000 Coke?

00:38:40.000 No, another drug.

00:38:42.000 Really?

00:38:42.000 He was hooked on...

00:38:43.000 I forgot.

00:38:44.000 You can look it up, right?

00:38:45.000 He's hooked on...

00:38:46.000 What's the other...

00:38:47.000 Morphine.

00:38:48.000 He's hooked on morphine, right?

00:38:50.000 So he's trying to counter it.

00:38:52.000 He's trying to counter himself.

00:38:53.000 With cocaine.

00:38:54.000 Basically.

00:38:55.000 Oh my God, he's speedballing.

00:38:56.000 But check it out.

00:38:57.000 But the cocoa...

00:38:59.000 The cocoa leaf, the cocoa plant, is actually an African plant.

00:39:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:04.000 We always think of it as being Colombian.

00:39:08.000 So it's like coffee?

00:39:10.000 How coffee all came from Ethiopia?

00:39:11.000 It's that kind of party.

00:39:13.000 And they go into it.

00:39:14.000 He makes cocoa, the cocoa plant, and a few other ingredients together.

00:39:19.000 And he made Coca-Cola.

00:39:21.000 So he made a cocktail to take off the morphine edge.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, and the original formula is still unknown.

00:39:27.000 For Coca-Cola?

00:39:28.000 Can you imagine what it'd be like to buy Coca-Cola when it had cocaine in it?

00:39:32.000 You're like, crack!

00:39:34.000 Wow!

00:39:36.000 Running through the streets coked up on Coca-Cola. 1.00

00:39:38.000 This motherfucker's really thirsty. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Nah, he lit right now. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Can you imagine what that was?

00:39:42.000 What was the decision? 0.99

00:39:43.000 Like, when did they all get together and go, hey, we gotta take the fucking cocaine out of Coca-Cola? 0.99

00:39:46.000 When did they get together and take that out? 0.99

00:39:48.000 But I thought that they did it for people with dental issues with their mouth and stuff. 0.99

00:39:54.000 Like pain and shit? 0.99

00:39:55.000 Yeah, I thought that was the first one. 0.99

00:39:56.000 Yeah?

00:39:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:57.000 That's what, what?

00:39:59.000 Lidocaine.

00:40:00.000 They use it in surgeries.

00:40:00.000 Lidocaine.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, when I had my deviated septum fix, I had a broken nose, they straighten it out, and they flood it with lidocaine to numb it.

00:40:07.000 It's like a cousin of cocaine.

00:40:09.000 Higher dose. 1.00

00:40:09.000 Yeah, it doesn't get you high, but it makes you feel like shit. 1.00

00:40:12.000 I said, what'd you do to do? 1.00

00:40:14.000 They flooded your nose with this. 1.00

00:40:15.000 Yeah, it makes you feel like shit. 0.99

00:40:16.000 It doesn't get you high, but you feel like disconnected and weird. 0.99

00:40:19.000 Like, they gave me a pretty good dose when they fixed my nose, and I remember I went to a restaurant Like, either that night or the day after.

00:40:27.000 I think it was that night, and I was feeling terrible.

00:40:30.000 Like, I'm like, I can't taste anything.

00:40:32.000 I feel all shaky and weird.

00:40:33.000 Like, I'm not on cocaine, but it's like a weird cousin to it.

00:40:36.000 Did it do anything to your appetite or anything?

00:40:38.000 Yeah, I wasn't that hungry.

00:40:40.000 Really? 1.00

00:40:40.000 Yeah, it fucked with me. 1.00

00:40:41.000 It just made me feel shitty. 0.99

00:40:43.000 I just felt like, ugh. 0.50

00:40:44.000 It felt like my heart was beating too fast.

00:40:46.000 I felt weird.

00:40:47.000 It just felt like something was off.

00:40:49.000 It didn't make any sense.

00:40:50.000 But they use it just to numb you up for surgeries.

00:40:53.000 Right.

00:40:53.000 It's real common.

00:40:54.000 I never had none of that shit. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Real common. 1.00

00:40:56.000 You've joint injuries and shit like that. 0.99

00:40:57.000 Shoot you up with lidocaine. 0.99

00:40:59.000 I knew some fighters. 1.00

00:41:00.000 Listen to the world again.

00:41:01.000 Lidocaine. 0.57

00:41:02.000 He's like lying.

00:41:04.000 It's the lying version of the whole game. 1.00

00:41:06.000 It's a liar cane.

00:41:06.000 Sound like a Frank Ocean song.

00:41:09.000 Lidocaine, lidocaine. 0.98

00:41:10.000 He would shoot into his shins before fights. 0.92

00:41:14.000 For what? 0.98

00:41:14.000 The numb his shins up? 0.98

00:41:15.000 Numb the shit out of his shins. 1.00

00:41:16.000 And then start kneeing you? 1.00

00:41:17.000 Just fuck you up with his shins. 1.00

00:41:19.000 Just fuck, fuck, fuck. 1.00

00:41:21.000 Couldn't feel a goddamn thing. 1.00

00:41:22.000 It was all numbed up. 0.99

00:41:24.000 Well, there's no lidocaine in this.

00:41:25.000 This is strictly...

00:41:26.000 No.

00:41:26.000 Dry roasted macadamia nuts.

00:41:28.000 Organic dark chocolate.

00:41:29.000 See, the nuts part is better on the back than the front right on your face when you first opened it.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, at least...

00:41:35.000 Unsweetened chocolate.

00:41:36.000 Cain, syrup, cocoa powder, cocoa butter.

00:41:39.000 Good stuff, right?

00:41:39.000 Vanilla and sea salt.

00:41:40.000 It's all good.

00:41:40.000 And dark chocolate.

00:41:41.000 Good stuff.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, let's put this in my pocket.

00:41:42.000 I'm gonna take this.

00:41:43.000 Take it.

00:41:43.000 What'd you do?

00:41:44.000 Would you put it on top of something?

00:41:45.000 No, I just rip it open and chew it right out of there.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, he'd do it hard, so like after squat, he'd just... 0.99

00:41:50.000 And just like, just throw the thing, squeeze the thing and just throw that shit. 0.95

00:41:54.000 I noticed that you work out. 0.99

00:41:55.000 Are you working out?

00:41:55.000 I don't work out.

00:41:56.000 You can work out here too.

00:41:58.000 How about that?

00:41:58.000 I would love to.

00:41:58.000 We'll produce your show.

00:41:59.000 Man, I'm about to eat better.

00:42:00.000 I'm about to work out, son.

00:42:01.000 But I'm telling you, everything happens for a reason today. 1.00

00:42:04.000 Because I want to eat better because I'm tired of this motherfucker looking at me like I eat all fucked up. 0.99

00:42:08.000 You keep looking at me like, let me explain something to you. 1.00

00:42:10.000 Anyone who's disciplined with their diet, if you're disciplined with your diet, no matter what you're eating, you're going to do better than people or not.

00:42:16.000 Man, I could do it.

00:42:17.000 I could do it for every reason.

00:42:19.000 I could do vegan and everything for every reason.

00:42:22.000 The health reasons, every reason for it.

00:42:23.000 I'm not mad at it.

00:42:25.000 I'm not mad at vegan food.

00:42:26.000 I think it works for some people health-wise, but I think for other people it doesn't work.

00:42:29.000 I'm going to want a piece of fish, son.

00:42:32.000 If I was to advise on it, if I could take my advice, I'd say, look, Even if you include one day a week with a vegan diet.

00:42:41.000 Just one day, right?

00:42:42.000 Just like how some cultures, they have Saturday, they do this or Sunday, they do that.

00:42:47.000 If you include it one day.

00:42:48.000 Like vegan Friday?

00:42:49.000 Vegan Friday.

00:42:50.000 I can't give up vegan Friday for fish Friday.

00:42:53.000 Do you ever go to Indian restaurants that have vegetarian cuisine? 0.97

00:42:57.000 Indian restaurants, they know how to do it because they've been doing it for fucking hundreds of years. 0.78

00:43:01.000 I'm not mad at a vegetable diet. 0.97

00:43:04.000 I'm not mad at it.

00:43:05.000 I like it.

00:43:07.000 Especially, I like food, especially if it's the best of that.

00:43:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:12.000 I ain't ready for no vegan struggle plate.

00:43:14.000 What is that?

00:43:15.000 What's that?

00:43:15.000 I don't know.

00:43:16.000 Carrots with a little balsamic vinegar or something.

00:43:18.000 Some straight lettuce.

00:43:20.000 Oh, a struggle plate.

00:43:21.000 A struggle.

00:43:22.000 A struggle plate.

00:43:23.000 I don't want no vegan.

00:43:24.000 That restaurant that he has, he should have one of the plates.

00:43:27.000 I don't want that.

00:43:28.000 He should name one of the plates there vegan struggle.

00:43:30.000 Struggle plate.

00:43:31.000 Travis Parker's place.

00:43:32.000 He's got that Crossroads vegan restaurant.

00:43:34.000 He does?

00:43:35.000 I'm gonna contact him.

00:43:36.000 Ask him for a vegan struggle plate.

00:43:38.000 A vegan struggle plate.

00:43:39.000 It's like one carrot, like one banana, you know what I'm saying?

00:43:42.000 You need something hearty.

00:43:43.000 No extra sauces or nothing, just straight vegetables.

00:43:46.000 Struggle plate.

00:43:47.000 Yeah.

00:43:48.000 You need something.

00:43:49.000 That's like mayonnaise sandwiches, but vegan.

00:43:50.000 Exactly.

00:43:50.000 Vegan version of that.

00:43:51.000 Vegan mayonnaise sandwiches.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 You want something hearty.

00:43:55.000 You ever have a, sorry, you ever have a sugar sandwich?

00:44:00.000 No.

00:44:00.000 What's a sugar sandwich?

00:44:02.000 I don't advise it.

00:44:04.000 Basically, what is it?

00:44:07.000 Wait, some of this stuff, sugar diet stuff, it's like the cheapest thing to get was a loaf of bread.

00:44:14.000 The cheapest thing you can get is a loaf of bread.

00:44:16.000 A loaf of bread was 25, 30, 40 cents or whatever.

00:44:18.000 Cheapest thing you can get a loaf of bread.

00:44:20.000 But everything else you put in it, it's not cheap.

00:44:22.000 The meat not cheap.

00:44:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:24.000 The cheese could be free.

00:44:25.000 The cheese could be free.

00:44:26.000 But you want to create the whole sandwich.

00:44:29.000 Because it don't matter how big it is.

00:44:31.000 If it's meat or whatever, it's the same size.

00:44:33.000 Whether it's a jelly sandwich or whatever.

00:44:36.000 And then you would get anything in between two pieces of bread, whether it was butter and sugar.

00:44:42.000 I know this sounds so gross, Joe.

00:44:44.000 That sounds good, butter and sugar. 1.00

00:44:45.000 I know it sounds good, but it's going to fuck you up. 0.99

00:44:47.000 You're going to be asking for dark chocolate. 1.00

00:44:49.000 Butter and sugar.

00:44:50.000 That's not a bad sandwich.

00:44:53.000 You will die. 1.00

00:44:54.000 That shit ain't no good, but that shit is like, as a kid, nigga, you was like, bing, [... 1.00

00:45:02.000 Well, that's what peanut butter and jelly does for you. 1.00

00:45:04.000 If you have like Skippy, if you have like one of the real delicious peanut butters and some grape jelly, that's a lot of sugar.

00:45:11.000 Those delicious peanut butters.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, well, instead of organic ones, the ones you have to stir yourself, those are good.

00:45:17.000 They're good for you.

00:45:18.000 They're much better for you because they don't have any sugar added to them.

00:45:20.000 But everybody loves, like, Jif or Skippy.

00:45:22.000 But the whole thing about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

00:45:25.000 With Wonder Bread?

00:45:26.000 Everybody had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

00:45:29.000 Everybody had it.

00:45:30.000 I hated peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

00:45:31.000 You hated peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?

00:45:32.000 I wanted bologna and cheese, son.

00:45:34.000 I wanted bologna and cheese mayonnaise.

00:45:39.000 I wanted the white bread.

00:45:40.000 I want you to do it horizontally. 0.97

00:45:43.000 I want to put it in a triangle, put it in a lunacy, and then on that field trip on the bus, I want to get that goddamn bus heat to melt it up a little bit. 0.95

00:45:53.000 Man, that was the best sandwich ever and we never got him. 0.98

00:45:56.000 I never got him.

00:45:57.000 Don't you hate when somebody show off to school lunch and they got a better sandwich than you?

00:46:01.000 You just got a cheese sandwich and man got...

00:46:04.000 He got lettuce, tomatoes, he got a little ranch dressing to put on there.

00:46:08.000 A cat's deli sandwich.

00:46:09.000 Anybody ever been to a cat's deli in New York?

00:46:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:12.000 Have you been to a cat's deli, brother?

00:46:13.000 I've been to...

00:46:15.000 Does that place still win those tickets?

00:46:17.000 He's in New York.

00:46:17.000 Hold on.

00:46:18.000 No, you keep pointing at me like, this is how you just said it.

00:46:21.000 You said that.

00:46:22.000 It felt like you said this to me.

00:46:24.000 I know you ain't never been to Cats, but go ahead and lie to me.

00:46:27.000 Have you ever been to Cats Deli?

00:46:28.000 I've been to Cats Deli.

00:46:29.000 Yes, I have.

00:46:29.000 What's your favorite thing in a Cats Deli?

00:46:31.000 I get a turkey and cheese.

00:46:32.000 I keep it simple.

00:46:33.000 Why turkey?

00:46:33.000 I don't want to even talk about meat around you.

00:46:35.000 This is not going to end well.

00:46:38.000 Oh, you gotta get the pastrami.

00:46:39.000 Yo, you want the best pastrami of your life?

00:46:42.000 Slimans in Cleveland, Ohio.

00:46:44.000 Really?

00:46:44.000 Slimans in Cleveland.

00:46:46.000 You've been there?

00:46:46.000 That's in Greek, not Greektown.

00:46:49.000 It's over there by Slimans.

00:46:51.000 I don't know.

00:46:51.000 Germantown.

00:46:52.000 They have a Germantown.

00:46:52.000 Probably so.

00:46:53.000 This sandwich.

00:46:55.000 You think that's better than Katz's?

00:46:57.000 I'm telling you.

00:46:59.000 This sandwich is the best thing they got in Cleveland.

00:47:02.000 It's LeBron and this sandwich, son.

00:47:04.000 Yo, Jamie, am I lying?

00:47:06.000 The sandwich is still there.

00:47:07.000 Is that legit?

00:47:09.000 They're famous for their...

00:47:10.000 They're famous.

00:47:10.000 And not only that, but it's like, you get this sandwich, like, you could just, you should, if you really, you could, like, the sandwich is like this big.

00:47:17.000 You could be like, give me a sandwich and then a half loaf of bread.

00:47:21.000 Go home with it.

00:47:22.000 Yo, you can go home. 1.00

00:47:24.000 This slimy shit, like if you want to smash a heavy chick in the Midwest, come back with one of the slimings. 1.00

00:47:32.000 That's sliming? 1.00

00:47:32.000 I know you ain't fuck with that, son. 1.00

00:47:34.000 But that sandwich? 0.99

00:47:35.000 That's hilarious how big that is.

00:47:37.000 But no, it's not just the size of it.

00:47:39.000 It's a really good sandwich.

00:47:40.000 I believe it.

00:47:41.000 But I love when people do that.

00:47:43.000 When they make something that's just over the top.

00:47:45.000 Now what part of this pastrami is made? 0.99

00:47:46.000 Is that the cow's ass? 1.00

00:47:48.000 Come on, man. 1.00

00:47:49.000 I'm just asking, brother.

00:47:50.000 I'm asking. 1.00

00:47:50.000 A lot of meat is made from the ass. 1.00

00:47:52.000 A lot of meat is made from the legs, the rumps, you know? 0.99

00:47:55.000 A lot of roasts are made from the legs.

00:47:56.000 You ever eat Slim Jims?

00:47:58.000 Yeah.

00:47:58.000 It says right on it.

00:48:00.000 It says beef lips, beef ass, and beef heart. 1.00

00:48:05.000 Heart's good for you. 1.00

00:48:06.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:48:07.000 Lips and assholes. 1.00

00:48:08.000 I don't even want to talk about meat with you, man. 1.00

00:48:10.000 The real problem is really the preservatives and all the stuff they put in it to make sure you can roll it up in a fucking tube and stick it in a tray and let it sit there for weeks and months on end. 0.98

00:48:20.000 I mean, it's meat. 0.97

00:48:21.000 It's not supposed to just sit there.

00:48:23.000 Like, I don't care how you seal it.

00:48:25.000 Unless you're drying it out like beef jerky.

00:48:27.000 And then even beef jerky has got a shelf life.

00:48:29.000 I mean, it lasts as long as it can before bacteria takes it over.

00:48:32.000 But it's tissue.

00:48:34.000 That's why they would dry it.

00:48:36.000 They would dry meat so they can carry it with them on the road.

00:48:38.000 But they didn't even plan on it staying forever.

00:48:40.000 But it does.

00:48:41.000 It stays pretty long, but that's Slim Jims.

00:48:43.000 They add a bunch of stuff to those processed ones.

00:48:46.000 I had some turkey jerky from somewhere.

00:48:49.000 I thought it was whack, but it was pretty good.

00:48:50.000 Some turkey jerky.

00:48:51.000 I'm not a fan of turkey.

00:48:54.000 It's a weird choice for food.

00:48:57.000 It's like chicken tastes better. 0.85

00:48:58.000 Well, for black people, turkey anything feels like you just cleanse yourself. 0.89

00:49:03.000 Because you eat something good? 0.97

00:49:04.000 Yeah, you do anything.

00:49:06.000 When a black person order their first turkey burger, your first turkey burger, you're like, oh, I didn't even know this part of life existed, son.

00:49:14.000 Then you have people competing who makes the best turkey burger.

00:49:16.000 A good turkey burger can change your life.

00:49:19.000 It could get me on the road of being a vegetarian.

00:49:22.000 Well, you know what?

00:49:22.000 That's the path I took.

00:49:23.000 I started first, I stopped red meat.

00:49:26.000 And then I went to actually turkey burgers, turkey pastrami, turkey chopped meat for my spaghetti.

00:49:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:34.000 And maybe chicken burgers.

00:49:35.000 And then one day I was eating, like when I was younger, I could knock out about 30 chicken wings.

00:49:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:41.000 I mean, anybody can do that, right?

00:49:42.000 Man, you can't keep pointing at me like that.

00:49:46.000 Anybody can knock out.

00:49:47.000 What?

00:49:47.000 30 chicken wings, right Joe?

00:49:50.000 I can knock out 30 chicken wings, 100%.

00:49:52.000 Alright, so on the 29th chicken wing, my teeth hit the bone.

00:50:01.000 And my mind said, dead bird.

00:50:06.000 Really?

00:50:08.000 You're in New York City with all these pigeons flying around, and here you are, supposed to be an intelligent human being.

00:50:14.000 You're eating on a dead bird. 1.00

00:50:15.000 And I was like, that sounds pretty stupid to me. 1.00

00:50:18.000 And I never ate it again. 0.99

00:50:19.000 That's interesting.

00:50:20.000 It's funny that pigeons were actually brought here for food.

00:50:23.000 That's what's even ironic about it.

00:50:25.000 Listen, when Mama's fried chicken, Harlem fried chicken, Next Door fried chicken, Brooklyn fried chicken. 0.55

00:50:32.000 Remember we had the big chicken things in New York?

00:50:34.000 It was Crown Fried Chicken.

00:50:37.000 Double crowns fried chicken.

00:50:39.000 Queens fried chicken.

00:50:41.000 And you had to get the hot wings.

00:50:43.000 Because the hot wings, they had to make them right on the spot.

00:50:45.000 The other drink would be in the window for a long time.

00:50:47.000 No matter what you got, all of a sudden, pigeon population... 1.00

00:50:51.000 I pay attention to this type of shit. 0.99

00:50:54.000 Pigeon population in New York City dropped down. 1.00

00:50:57.000 We was doing the movie Ghost Dog.

00:50:59.000 We had to get pigeons from Jersey.

00:51:01.000 Because...

00:51:04.000 Remember Ghost Dog?

00:51:05.000 Yo, the pigeon population dropped down, bro.

00:51:08.000 And I was like, yo, dead bird.

00:51:10.000 So I never ate chicken again after that.

00:51:12.000 But pigeons are edible.

00:51:13.000 They're good.

00:51:13.000 It's called squab.

00:51:14.000 That's what pigeon is.

00:51:15.000 That's the famous British name, right?

00:51:17.000 Yeah, it's pigeon.

00:51:17.000 On some menus, they just call it pigeon.

00:51:19.000 I just want to call it chicken.

00:51:20.000 Anything outside chicken, I feel like you'd be calling it anything but chicken.

00:51:24.000 Do you know that some birds are actually red meat?

00:51:27.000 Like sandhill crane.

00:51:28.000 You ever see the sand?

00:51:29.000 They call it ribeye in the sky.

00:51:30.000 It's crazy.

00:51:31.000 You said it's...

00:51:31.000 They eat it?

00:51:32.000 No, it's like a red meat.

00:51:33.000 The breast is a red meat.

00:51:34.000 It looks like a steak.

00:51:35.000 From a crane?

00:51:36.000 From a crane.

00:51:38.000 It's like a bird that flies in the sky. 1.00

00:51:40.000 Giant ass fucking white bird flies in the sky. 1.00

00:51:42.000 So this is on a menu? 1.00

00:51:43.000 Yeah, you could get it on some menus in Texas, I believe, but it's a wild game animal.

00:51:47.000 I would try wild game.

00:51:48.000 That's what it looks like.

00:51:49.000 Look at it.

00:51:51.000 It looks like steak.

00:51:52.000 I know.

00:51:53.000 It looks like steak.

00:51:53.000 That's sous-vide, my friend.

00:51:55.000 That's your style.

00:51:56.000 Sous-vide.

00:51:57.000 You don't know nothing about that.

00:51:58.000 You don't know nothing about no sous-vide!

00:52:00.000 That's what it looks like.

00:52:01.000 That's the animal.

00:52:02.000 You see the crane?

00:52:02.000 The crane actually is a good example of relationships.

00:52:07.000 A crane will fly across the country or the world, whatever, go to the mating place where the other homies are at, meet somebody. 1.00

00:52:20.000 Fly home and when of age, fly back to marry that dude and stay married for the whole life, kid.

00:52:27.000 Wow. 0.98

00:52:29.000 Unless somebody shoot him down and cook him.

00:52:31.000 Really?

00:52:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:33.000 They stay together.

00:52:33.000 They don't try to reproduce for nobody else.

00:52:35.000 Nah, man.

00:52:35.000 That's crazy.

00:52:36.000 They go back and find each other.

00:52:37.000 They go back.

00:52:38.000 Oh, but they don't look like they have a good life either, son.

00:52:40.000 Who?

00:52:41.000 A crane.

00:52:41.000 You ain't never seen a happy-looking crane.

00:52:43.000 Son, your cranes look like I was forced into this crane shit. 0.99

00:52:50.000 You ain't never seen a crane go... 1.00

00:52:52.000 Like a puppy.

00:52:54.000 Well, the one on Kung Fu Panda looked kind of happy to me.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, but cranes look like...

00:52:57.000 They look like they're looking to be with somebody for that long. 0.82

00:53:00.000 They want to get shot. 0.98

00:53:02.000 Oh, man. 0.92

00:53:02.000 They just want to be delicious. 0.92

00:53:03.000 So you said the heart of that thing is red meat?

00:53:06.000 No, the breasts.

00:53:08.000 That's what those images are?

00:53:09.000 Pull that image out? 0.97

00:53:09.000 That's all Sand Hill Crane breasts. 0.97

00:53:12.000 Their breast is like a beef. 0.98

00:53:13.000 Yes.

00:53:14.000 That on the right, too.

00:53:16.000 That don't look bad.

00:53:16.000 It looks like a ribeye steak.

00:53:18.000 It's delicious.

00:53:19.000 The grill marks?

00:53:19.000 George Foreman grill style?

00:53:20.000 Grill marks.

00:53:22.000 You said grill marks.

00:53:24.000 Like George Foreman grill.

00:53:25.000 You put grill marks on tofu, right?

00:53:27.000 Yeah.

00:53:28.000 I know.

00:53:28.000 So that's the two breasts.

00:53:31.000 Grill marks on tofu.

00:53:33.000 They sell tofu with grill marks now.

00:53:35.000 Don't tell me that.

00:53:36.000 Grill tofu.

00:53:37.000 That's hilarious.

00:53:39.000 I don't care.

00:53:41.000 Even though I go to vegan restaurants, they'd be like...

00:53:44.000 Vegan fish.

00:53:45.000 Don't call it vegan fish, homie. 1.00

00:53:47.000 Right.

00:53:48.000 It's not fish.

00:53:49.000 Right.

00:53:49.000 It's just food.

00:53:50.000 It's temperate or whatever it is.

00:53:52.000 If you want to say flavored, like barbecue flavored chips or something like that, you could say flavored, artificially flavored fish.

00:53:58.000 But then you know the mind is not going to respond like that.

00:54:00.000 They got to do something to the mind that makes it still enticing.

00:54:05.000 A guy said, yo, that's vegan fur.

00:54:08.000 Ain't no such thing as vegan fur.

00:54:10.000 But it's not such thing as vegan fur. 0.99

00:54:12.000 But if you're a vegan motherfucker, you're going to buy that because you heard the word vegan fur. 0.98

00:54:17.000 How about vegan leather? 1.00

00:54:19.000 A real...

00:54:23.000 It would work.

00:54:23.000 Like that veather?

00:54:24.000 It would work.

00:54:25.000 How about that?

00:54:25.000 Vether.

00:54:26.000 Vether.

00:54:27.000 Like fleather.

00:54:27.000 Vether.

00:54:28.000 Instead of fur.

00:54:29.000 Yo, you do know that's going to sell, right?

00:54:31.000 How about that ver?

00:54:32.000 Like, that's a ver jacket.

00:54:33.000 Right, you remember pleather?

00:54:34.000 Ver is good.

00:54:36.000 Yeah, pleather with plastic leather.

00:54:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:38.000 Yo, I'm telling you, that shit will blow up. 1.00

00:54:40.000 Put the V on anything. 1.00

00:54:41.000 Put the V on it.

00:54:41.000 And they're going to buy it.

00:54:42.000 They'll buy it.

00:54:43.000 Vic.

00:54:44.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 Instead of chicken, you put the V in there.

00:54:47.000 Like, wait, how you do?

00:54:48.000 That makes it Russian, right? 0.98

00:54:50.000 You can tell a chick, you want this Vic? 0.79

00:54:53.000 You want this Vic?

00:54:55.000 You want this Vic?

00:54:57.000 You want this Vic?

00:54:58.000 I put the V in it.

00:55:00.000 Take the word vegan and make something else out of it.

00:55:02.000 Don't tell me that you're giving me a vegan steak.

00:55:06.000 It ain't a steak.

00:55:07.000 Homie, steak is a particular part of the animal.

00:55:10.000 That's why we call it a steak.

00:55:12.000 The ham is a particular part of the animal.

00:55:15.000 That's why it's called the ham.

00:55:16.000 But I don't think they care about you.

00:55:17.000 I don't think they care about you a professional at being a vegan. 1.00

00:55:21.000 I don't think they care about you as much as the dumb vegan. 0.99

00:55:24.000 He said I'm a professional. 0.99

00:55:25.000 I'm an educated vegan.

00:55:26.000 They want to draw people in. 1.00

00:55:28.000 They want the dumb motherfucker. 1.00

00:55:30.000 They want somebody fresh off of a hamburger. 1.00

00:55:32.000 Right.

00:55:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:33.000 They don't want you.

00:55:33.000 You got years.

00:55:34.000 Get them with that Impossible Burger. 1.00

00:55:35.000 Close enough.

00:55:36.000 You like the Impossible Burger?

00:55:39.000 I've never had it, but the good...

00:55:41.000 If you were trying to trick someone into being a vegan, that would be the way to do it.

00:55:44.000 You give them that and go, look, you could just start with this.

00:55:47.000 You know, it tastes a lot like a burger.

00:55:49.000 You miss burgers.

00:55:49.000 Just go to this when you need a burger.

00:55:51.000 Have you ever had one?

00:55:52.000 No.

00:55:53.000 I had one.

00:55:54.000 The problem is it's a lot of oils.

00:55:56.000 It's very processed.

00:55:58.000 I think if you're going to eat vegan, you should eat whole foods.

00:56:00.000 Like real foods.

00:56:01.000 But they don't want you, Joe. 1.00

00:56:03.000 They want a motherfucker like me. 1.00

00:56:05.000 They don't want you. 1.00

00:56:06.000 See, now he's doing it to himself.

00:56:07.000 No, it's the truth.

00:56:08.000 He's doing it to himself.

00:56:10.000 No, no, no.

00:56:11.000 Let me do it to myself.

00:56:12.000 Let me do it to myself.

00:56:14.000 That's exactly what you're accusing him of.

00:56:15.000 Exactly, but I want to do it to myself.

00:56:17.000 You're just defensive, man.

00:56:18.000 You're just defensive.

00:56:18.000 Let me do it.

00:56:21.000 I was like, me?

00:56:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:23.000 I am not going to think about saturated fats. 1.00

00:56:26.000 I'm not going to think about that shit. 1.00

00:56:28.000 You know all that. 1.00

00:56:29.000 Y'all read that shit. 1.00

00:56:30.000 But if you tell a motherfucker, this burger is impossible because there's no meat in it and it's close to meat. 1.00

00:56:37.000 It's like even close. 1.00

00:56:39.000 And I've had that burger. 1.00

00:56:40.000 And I know it's probably got all the fats you talk about, but for a person that eats meat, and you'll be like this, you keep telling yourself, hold on, nah, that shit tastes like meat. 0.99

00:56:50.000 Do you know what someone told me? 0.99

00:56:51.000 It's like a cafeteria, a high school cafeteria burger.

00:56:53.000 And guess what?

00:56:54.000 And you know what, Joe?

00:56:55.000 Is that what it was like?

00:56:55.000 Joe, Joe, guess what?

00:56:56.000 That was disgusting to you. 0.94

00:56:57.000 I wanted that burger so bad, Sam. 0.93

00:56:59.000 I miss high school cafeteria burgers occasionally.

00:57:00.000 The high school burger, that's what it...

00:57:01.000 Squirt that ketchup in there, close back that bun. 0.98

00:57:04.000 That's what you said.

00:57:04.000 Not bad.

00:57:05.000 It does...

00:57:06.000 It does. 0.90

00:57:07.000 Now that I think about it, it is like a cafeteria junk.

00:57:10.000 Well, cafeteria burgers weren't 100% meat, right?

00:57:12.000 They had some fillers.

00:57:13.000 They make soy.

00:57:14.000 Yeah.

00:57:14.000 Even the early McDonald's burgers make soy.

00:57:18.000 Right.

00:57:19.000 They're just trying to fill you up.

00:57:20.000 They're trying to save money and fill you up.

00:57:21.000 But it was good.

00:57:22.000 But another thing that it did for me...

00:57:24.000 When I ate the burger, it made me feel good eating a burger that I thought was all plant-based. 1.00

00:57:31.000 Mentally, I was like, oh shit. 1.00

00:57:34.000 Damn, I could fuck with that fruit and vegetable, them fruit and vegetable motherfuckers, right? 1.00

00:57:38.000 But I don't want to go hard-bodied with them. 1.00

00:57:40.000 I don't want to go in.

00:57:41.000 I go to Red's house.

00:57:42.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:57:43.000 His wife can pull out one of them motherfucking Impossible Burgers or Beyond Burger. 1.00

00:57:47.000 Yeah, the Beyond or the Beyond? 0.99

00:57:48.000 Above and Beyond.

00:57:50.000 What's better, the Impossible or the Beyond?

00:57:51.000 They're both brands.

00:57:52.000 If you don't want to eat meat.

00:57:52.000 They're both brands.

00:57:53.000 But is it the same thing?

00:57:54.000 It's the same concept, but it's different titles.

00:57:56.000 What's more delicious?

00:57:57.000 Is it one more delicious?

00:57:58.000 You got to ask different people.

00:58:00.000 Well, let me speak on it.

00:58:02.000 The Impossible Burger is only available in restaurants, right?

00:58:05.000 So you can't really get it in your crib.

00:58:07.000 But the Beyond Burger, you actually can get it home.

00:58:09.000 Because the Beyond Burger, they have products. 1.00

00:58:11.000 They got a line of shit. 0.99

00:58:12.000 You go to Gelson's, you can get Beyond Sauces, you can get Beyond whatever. 0.99

00:58:16.000 What do you think about lab-created meats?

00:58:18.000 They're on the verge, and they've already created some.

00:58:21.000 They're on the verge of being able to mass-produce full meat that has never been in an animal.

00:58:29.000 Well, that's weird.

00:58:30.000 That's the matrix, baby.

00:58:31.000 What is a meat that's never been an animal?

00:58:33.000 It's basically they've taken all the building blocks for meat, and they've somehow or another...

00:58:39.000 Let's Google how they do it before I butcher the actual explanation.

00:58:44.000 I'm sitting here going to make up...

00:58:46.000 But that's the Matrix.

00:58:48.000 Remember in the Matrix movie?

00:58:49.000 He was like, yo...

00:58:50.000 Oh, he's eating a steak?

00:58:51.000 He's like, I just want to be an important person?

00:58:53.000 But it wasn't.

00:58:53.000 He was like, it's not a real steak.

00:58:54.000 It's just...

00:58:55.000 Right, but this is a real steak.

00:58:56.000 This has all the nutrition of a real steak.

00:58:59.000 But it's not a real steak.

00:59:00.000 Right, but it is actual flesh.

00:59:02.000 It just was never connected to a living organism.

00:59:04.000 You mean on paper?

00:59:05.000 No, it's actual flesh.

00:59:07.000 It has the essential amino acid profile of steak.

00:59:11.000 But it has nothing to do with an actual organism.

00:59:14.000 Like, it's never been alive.

00:59:15.000 It's not like you killed it to make it.

00:59:17.000 There's some process by which they are able to create this that I don't understand.

00:59:22.000 And we're trying to figure out whether it's cloning or what they're doing.

00:59:24.000 Man, if you can understand that process to me...

00:59:26.000 Yeah, but they...

00:59:28.000 I'm not even...

00:59:28.000 You got a good point.

00:59:31.000 You got a good point, because we don't know what the fuck is going to happen to people. 1.00

00:59:34.000 But KFC, Joe, all that shit is, man. 1.00

00:59:36.000 They doing that shit already. 1.00

00:59:38.000 Well, think about it this way. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Not on that level, but they're doing it already.

00:59:42.000 Not really.

00:59:42.000 This is a different thing.

00:59:43.000 This is a different thing.

00:59:44.000 What this is is meat without death.

00:59:47.000 And I don't know if it's real.

00:59:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:59:52.000 I know it's real in the sense that they've done it.

00:59:55.000 But I don't know if they can mass produce it.

00:59:57.000 I don't know if it's viable.

00:59:59.000 And I don't know where they get it.

01:00:00.000 I don't understand how the process starts. 0.99

01:00:02.000 I'm so motherfucking confused. 0.89

01:00:04.000 But if you could have it... 0.98

01:00:06.000 With no ethical, moral, or health consideration.

01:00:09.000 If they figure out how to do it, because meat essentially is a bunch of molecules, it's a bunch of particles, it's a bunch of things put together.

01:00:18.000 As people get more and more intelligent, and they have more and more control over their environment, they're going to get to a point where they can recreate all life.

01:00:24.000 Right.

01:00:25.000 And meat is a step in that direction.

01:00:27.000 But the thing is, how much can you charge for it?

01:00:29.000 Well, I don't know, but it's like cell phones. 0.98

01:00:31.000 Cell phones used to be that Michael Douglas thing on the fucking beach. 0.99

01:00:34.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

01:00:34.000 They had a big old brick. 0.99

01:00:35.000 It was probably a lot of money.

01:00:37.000 I had one. 1.00

01:00:37.000 Now, everybody's got a goddamn phone. 1.00

01:00:39.000 Everybody. 0.99

01:00:40.000 Yeah, but how much would they pay? 0.99

01:00:41.000 But a shitty phone now, a $200 phone now, is a goddamn world changer 13 years ago. 0.99

01:00:47.000 You'd freak people the fuck out if you had the cheapest mass-produced Android phone, you brought it to the past, you showed people, they'd freak the fuck out. 0.99

01:00:56.000 I think that's the same with everything.

01:00:58.000 And there's the technology to create viable options for people who are healthier when they eat meat, but don't want to be a part of animal agriculture and slaughter.

01:01:06.000 I just heard some study where they said that, like, maybe, this was about three months ago, and it was big about how red meat does not...

01:01:15.000 Digest well.

01:01:16.000 No, no.

01:01:17.000 They was reversing it.

01:01:18.000 They was basically saying, after all these years well, scientists would figure out...

01:01:22.000 It's not bad for you.

01:01:23.000 It's not bad for you.

01:01:24.000 That was a...

01:01:25.000 They go both...

01:01:26.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:01:27.000 Let me get one minute here.

01:01:28.000 Please do.

01:01:28.000 Go ahead.

01:01:29.000 Look, it goes both ways, right?

01:01:30.000 First they'll say it's good for you.

01:01:32.000 Then they say it's bad for you.

01:01:33.000 And then you got an individual say, you know what?

01:01:35.000 It's good for me.

01:01:36.000 It's bad for her, right?

01:01:37.000 But I will say that if there's a way to...

01:01:43.000 Create something that will save other lives, yeah, create it.

01:01:48.000 That's the evolution of man.

01:01:50.000 Man should be able to say, yo, you know what? 0.99

01:01:53.000 We have to kill all these animals to get a coat. 0.98

01:01:57.000 Now we don't have to do that. 0.94

01:01:58.000 We have a formula to make a coat that's going to keep you just as warm, keep you just as serve the purpose and needs, and nothing has to die for it.

01:02:08.000 You got to re-educate people then.

01:02:10.000 Well, you could do that.

01:02:11.000 It's the same way with human work, right?

01:02:14.000 Not to go back to historical, right?

01:02:18.000 But machines come and replace the mandatoryness of human physical labor in certain industries, right?

01:02:28.000 Okay, that's better, right?

01:02:29.000 So now you don't have to subjugate somebody to do that.

01:02:32.000 It's more cost-effective, right?

01:02:34.000 It's more cost-effective.

01:02:35.000 It's more humane in all reality, right?

01:02:38.000 So we support that.

01:02:40.000 But the Catch-22 that we've got to be conscious of in your own lifetime, right?

01:02:45.000 If somebody's telling me, like, look, you could do this, and I'm still going to have my, let's say, 70 years on the planet, Then yeah, do it.

01:02:54.000 But if I'm doing it and you want to turn my 70 years to 50 years, I don't want to make that bet.

01:02:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:00.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:03:00.000 And I think that's what we watch out for with anything.

01:03:03.000 Even with the vegan diet or the Pelotonian diet, all these different things.

01:03:11.000 If it's going to enhance your life, that's the biggest equity you got is your time in your life.

01:03:18.000 Yeah, then lean towards it.

01:03:20.000 But if there's a chance it's gonna...

01:03:21.000 Bully.

01:03:22.000 Take away your life? 0.99

01:03:24.000 Bully. 0.96

01:03:25.000 Bad hustle. 0.99

01:03:26.000 Bully. 0.68

01:03:27.000 And you was bullying me. 0.92

01:03:29.000 Oh, this way?

01:03:30.000 Do you know what he just did?

01:03:31.000 No, no, no.

01:03:31.000 You know what he did do?

01:03:32.000 No, no, no.

01:03:33.000 I already know.

01:03:34.000 I'm saying everything you just said, I agree with.

01:03:36.000 I agree with you.

01:03:37.000 But you talk to me like, you already heard this a million times.

01:03:42.000 Here he go. 1.00

01:03:43.000 Fuck these. 1.00

01:03:44.000 I'm sick of these niggas with this bullshit. 1.00

01:03:45.000 I'm trying to save this nigga life. 1.00

01:03:46.000 You don't want me to save this life.

01:03:48.000 He called it Pelotonian. 1.00

01:03:51.000 That's the wrongest shit. 0.99

01:03:52.000 It's Paleolithic, but we were talking about Joey Diaz calling, what did he call you? 1.00

01:03:57.000 Joey Diaz called me Rondale Darlings.

01:04:01.000 He said, this is my dude.

01:04:02.000 He's a great guy.

01:04:03.000 I love this guy. 0.74

01:04:04.000 We fucking hang around. 0.97

01:04:04.000 He got a special coming out. 0.97

01:04:06.000 He said, get up for my homeboy.

01:04:08.000 He said, give it up for Rondale Darlings. 0.91

01:04:11.000 He switched every letter of my name.

01:04:14.000 Joey does that with everybody.

01:04:15.000 Known for 20 years.

01:04:16.000 Yeah, yo, I'm letting you know he got my sister pregnant, but he's here right now. 1.00

01:04:20.000 And then he hit that shit. 1.00

01:04:21.000 I was like, thank you. 1.00

01:04:23.000 You gave me a segue to my next fucking joke. 0.99

01:04:26.000 But I knew it was out of disrespect. 0.99

01:04:28.000 It was never that.

01:04:29.000 I know what you're saying, though, about diets.

01:04:30.000 And here's the thing about diets.

01:04:32.000 Everybody's different.

01:04:33.000 Everybody's body's different.

01:04:34.000 Some people respond better to a vegan diet than others.

01:04:37.000 Some people respond better to a carnivore diet than others.

01:04:40.000 Everybody's got a different...

01:04:41.000 Like we were talking earlier about people being allergic to peanuts.

01:04:45.000 People have to make adjustments.

01:04:47.000 There's some people that are allergic to certain green vegetables.

01:04:50.000 There's some people that have weird reactions to kale and all kinds of other things with oxalates in them, spinach. 1.00

01:04:55.000 And for some reason, man, I hate motherfuckers that are allergic to healthy shit. 1.00

01:04:57.000 I know! 1.00

01:04:59.000 I was like, how are you allergic to beans?

01:05:01.000 One of my friends told me one time, Joe, he said, yo, I'm allergic to pretty much all salads. 0.99

01:05:06.000 I'm like, that's the first segue into being healthy, is ordering a motherfucking salad. 0.99

01:05:12.000 How are people allergic to beans? 0.99

01:05:15.000 Basically, he was saying, I'm allergic to vegetables.

01:05:18.000 That's crazy.

01:05:18.000 Some people are, though.

01:05:19.000 Some girls are allergic to cum. 0.99

01:05:22.000 Did you know that? 0.99

01:05:23.000 How did I know that?

01:05:23.000 Some girls are allergic to jizz.

01:05:26.000 They're allergic to their man's cum. 1.00

01:05:28.000 Inside their vagina? 1.00

01:05:29.000 All over the place. 1.00

01:05:30.000 No matter where it goes.

01:05:31.000 You can carve your name on their belly.

01:05:33.000 They start breaking out or something or they start wet.

01:05:36.000 They get red. 0.99

01:05:37.000 It fucking sucks. 0.99

01:05:38.000 There was one girl told me that she don't like water. 1.00

01:05:43.000 I can only drink 7-Up.

01:05:44.000 That's it.

01:05:45.000 7-Up.

01:05:46.000 I don't like water.

01:05:49.000 She don't drink water.

01:05:51.000 But did she not like it because it makes her feel bad?

01:05:55.000 Or did she not like it because she prefers flavor?

01:05:58.000 You know what?

01:05:58.000 That's a good point because some people like water.

01:06:02.000 Some people like this.

01:06:04.000 I don't like water.

01:06:05.000 Some people like I don't like water.

01:06:06.000 Why?

01:06:06.000 Because it tastes like water.

01:06:07.000 Some people like I don't like water because it don't taste like sugar or anything is in it.

01:06:11.000 Let me tell you something, man.

01:06:12.000 I do hot yoga.

01:06:13.000 I do it a couple days a week.

01:06:14.000 I do 90-minute classes, and water is delicious.

01:06:18.000 I agree with you.

01:06:18.000 When you are sweating, and it's 105 degrees in that room, you're holding these poses, and sweat is dripping off your forehead, and you got a 64-ounce jug filled with ice and water.

01:06:29.000 You want that water. 0.98

01:06:31.000 It could be a Diet Coke or a fucking glass of milk. 1.00

01:06:34.000 I wouldn't touch those things. 1.00

01:06:35.000 I'd go right for that water when I'm dying.

01:06:38.000 I'm from an era, Joe.

01:06:38.000 I'm from an era.

01:06:39.000 I remember...

01:06:42.000 It going from...

01:06:43.000 Only time you got water was at a water fountain, water faucet, water hose.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, nobody had bottled water.

01:06:50.000 And when they started...

01:06:51.000 My mother thought it was the devil. 1.00

01:06:53.000 When they started charging motherfuckers for water... 1.00

01:06:56.000 That was the devil. 1.00

01:06:57.000 Yo, listen.

01:06:58.000 When they started charging people for water, my mother was like...

01:07:04.000 No.

01:07:04.000 Ain't no.

01:07:05.000 I could go right home and get water.

01:07:07.000 And I saw it go from charging like at McDonald's, like extra for water.

01:07:12.000 I saw it change from that to bottling and having a tag saying 99 cents for a bottle of water.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:21.000 But you're paying for the bottle, though.

01:07:22.000 Not the water.

01:07:23.000 But whatever it is.

01:07:24.000 We've got to stop having bottled water in the studio.

01:07:27.000 So many people have complained and they're all right.

01:07:29.000 Everyone's right.

01:07:30.000 I listen to the complain.

01:07:31.000 I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:32.000 I've got other things to think about.

01:07:33.000 But do I? What can we figure out?

01:07:37.000 What can we do about that?

01:07:37.000 After we're done producing Donnell's podcast, can we figure out a bottle of water?

01:07:41.000 This is just to bring the conundrum into a good full place.

01:07:45.000 Conundrum.

01:07:45.000 I fell back off of that.

01:07:47.000 Washing everybody's cup every time is going to waste more water potentially than...

01:07:52.000 This.

01:07:52.000 He's talking about wasting the water.

01:07:54.000 This guy works for Dick Cheney.

01:07:57.000 What would we put that in?

01:07:58.000 How many containers do I need to have for cups and stuff?

01:08:01.000 I'm thinking like a glass bottle.

01:08:03.000 For every person that comes in?

01:08:04.000 Is that bad?

01:08:05.000 How many do I need?

01:08:06.000 I mean, we clean them.

01:08:08.000 Clean them after every show.

01:08:09.000 We have a giant jug.

01:08:11.000 We fill up a glass bottle.

01:08:12.000 So is that important to people?

01:08:14.000 What about if people know you're recycling?

01:08:15.000 Does that make a difference?

01:08:16.000 It makes me feel like a better person.

01:08:18.000 If they know you're recycling?

01:08:19.000 No.

01:08:19.000 What makes me feel like a better person is if they think I'm a better person.

01:08:22.000 I'm like, I'm tricking them again. 0.98

01:08:24.000 Some people are just never going to give a fuck about plastic. 1.00

01:08:26.000 I'm one of them motherfuckers. 1.00

01:08:26.000 Let me get a punchline in here. 1.00

01:08:30.000 I'm just telling the truth, bro. 0.99

01:08:32.000 I'm like, you can do, you can bury shit, you can show me the animals, the turtles, whatever. 0.99

01:08:37.000 I'm just not going to give a fuck about plastic. 0.99

01:08:40.000 I want to go back to the hot yoga. 0.98

01:08:43.000 I love it.

01:08:43.000 I did it today, 90 minutes.

01:08:45.000 The reason why I want to go back to that, because the idea of how water tastes, right?

01:08:51.000 And I want to, this goes back to, let me look this way.

01:08:54.000 Who's this guy here?

01:08:56.000 Oh, that's Brody Stevens.

01:08:58.000 What's up, bro?

01:08:58.000 He killed himself.

01:09:00.000 Okay, okay.

01:09:01.000 Great dude.

01:09:02.000 Now, I mean, I'm going to say that.

01:09:03.000 That's the only thing we know him by.

01:09:06.000 Everybody loves him.

01:09:07.000 One of the rare dudes that everybody loves.

01:09:09.000 Right?

01:09:10.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 Rare dude that everybody loves.

01:09:11.000 Respect.

01:09:11.000 Everybody loves.

01:09:12.000 And the only reason I said that in case, you know, I don't know.

01:09:14.000 I know you said you was going to do comedy, but I didn't know if he was going to crack a joke, so I just want to let you know, if you crack the joke, that dude killed himself.

01:09:22.000 Yeah.

01:09:24.000 I'm not disrespecting my love deal.

01:09:25.000 No, no, no, that's beautiful.

01:09:26.000 Because I don't know how hard you go.

01:09:27.000 I don't know how hard you go.

01:09:29.000 So I was like this.

01:09:30.000 Before you just start beating it up.

01:09:32.000 Uh-huh.

01:09:32.000 Yep.

01:09:33.000 Have some information.

01:09:34.000 I get it.

01:09:35.000 I was going back to the idea of water tasting good, right?

01:09:38.000 And as well as...

01:09:40.000 Any type of food and drink, right?

01:09:43.000 All that tastes better after hard work.

01:09:46.000 Yes.

01:09:47.000 So after you're doing your hot yoga and you're sweaty and you put that hard work in, now you understand, you appreciate the water.

01:09:54.000 Yes.

01:09:54.000 So what I teach my children, right, is hard work.

01:09:58.000 When Adam, when the most hard told Adam, he said, man shall work to the sweat of his brow.

01:10:05.000 Now, Right.

01:10:10.000 Right.

01:10:29.000 And feel it.

01:10:29.000 Let me tell you something.

01:10:31.000 I know you don't think I respect celery.

01:10:33.000 I know you don't think I respect celery.

01:10:35.000 I know you don't think I respect celery.

01:10:36.000 I know you don't think I respect celery.

01:10:38.000 I know you don't think I respect celery. 0.98

01:10:45.000 That got that motherfucking pop with no string or nothing attached to it, just a clear bite. 0.96

01:10:51.000 So I know you, and I know you looked at me again, but the water that's inside celery, I know you don't think I respect it. 0.98

01:10:57.000 I respect that.

01:10:58.000 Do you like celery with peanut butter?

01:10:59.000 I like celery with anything.

01:11:01.000 Celery with peanut butter.

01:11:02.000 I could just eat it.

01:11:03.000 I could just eat celery.

01:11:05.000 I like celery with peanut butter, like celery with hummus.

01:11:07.000 You don't know how good a peach tastes until you work out. 0.99

01:11:10.000 But you gotta get the right celery. 1.00

01:11:11.000 If you lift weights and then you eat a peach, a juicy cold peach, you bite into that fucking thing. 0.99

01:11:17.000 And this is not a sexual reference. 1.00

01:11:18.000 Oh my goodness.

01:11:20.000 A real peach fruit.

01:11:21.000 You said it.

01:11:21.000 You said you gotta...

01:11:24.000 Do something in your life to appreciate it.

01:11:27.000 Right.

01:11:28.000 Some people, there's drinking.

01:11:30.000 Right.

01:11:31.000 Like you.

01:11:31.000 I don't know.

01:11:32.000 Maybe.

01:11:32.000 I don't know.

01:11:32.000 Like you?

01:11:33.000 Right now?

01:11:33.000 Okay.

01:11:34.000 No, I'm not saying right now.

01:11:35.000 I'm not going to do this with you.

01:11:36.000 I'm not doing this.

01:11:37.000 We're both drinking.

01:11:38.000 We're both drinking.

01:11:41.000 I'm drinking too.

01:11:43.000 Something has to...

01:11:45.000 Like, you've been drinking.

01:11:46.000 Like, the best time you appreciate water is at night after heavy drinking.

01:11:52.000 Like, you've been, your palates and everything's been industrial to alcohol, alcohol. 0.99

01:11:57.000 You had that feeling where you had some drinks one night, the next day you drank some ice cold water, and you're like, God damn, who the fuck invented this? 0.99

01:12:04.000 Simple. 0.99

01:12:05.000 It's simple.

01:12:06.000 It's the same thing, right?

01:12:07.000 You need it.

01:12:08.000 Your body need it.

01:12:09.000 It's the same thing.

01:12:09.000 Yeah, you need it.

01:12:10.000 But your body was like...

01:12:11.000 Asking for it.

01:12:12.000 Asking for it.

01:12:13.000 You're right.

01:12:13.000 Right.

01:12:13.000 But when you're drunk and you're drinking that water, you feel like an asshole.

01:12:16.000 You're like, God, what the fuck can I do with my body? 1.00

01:12:18.000 I'm so dehydrated. 0.99

01:12:20.000 But even drinking...

01:12:22.000 Only a person can appreciate drinking...

01:12:25.000 Only a person can appreciate water when they drink it is a professional drinker.

01:12:28.000 Because in their mind, they'll be like this.

01:12:30.000 I can do this with one glass of water.

01:12:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:12:32.000 The average motherfucker that's drinking, they ain't giving a fuck about that ratio. 0.99

01:12:36.000 A buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme back in the day. 1.00

01:12:39.000 Professional?

01:12:40.000 Jean-Claude Van Damme was a pro.

01:12:42.000 He said he would have a drink and he brought a gallon of water with him.

01:12:45.000 Exactly!

01:12:46.000 A gallon. 0.99

01:12:47.000 So he would have a drink and then get a big fucking chug of water. 0.99

01:12:50.000 That's the only way he rolled. 0.99

01:12:51.000 Just kept running to the bathroom, taking a piss and coming back. 0.99

01:12:54.000 When he drank, he drank with a gallon of water and whatever the fuck he was throwing down. 0.99

01:12:59.000 That's a professional. 1.00

01:13:00.000 Glug, glug, glug, glug.

01:13:01.000 Not to talk about...

01:13:02.000 I'm actually probably in the top Ten master drinkers.

01:13:10.000 Wow.

01:13:10.000 Now, if you ever really want to get a crazy night of drinking and see if you can hang-hang...

01:13:15.000 Donnell just put his glass down and adjust his headphones.

01:13:17.000 No, I'm just saying, I don't even want to do this.

01:13:19.000 I don't really want to do this.

01:13:20.000 I'm definitely...

01:13:20.000 But, you know, so that's a challenge.

01:13:23.000 Anybody who ever catch me on the right day want to challenge me.

01:13:26.000 But my brother Devon said something that was really cool about drinking and smoking and everything, right?

01:13:31.000 Because at one point, you know, on hip-hop...

01:13:33.000 And I'm abusing it, right?

01:13:34.000 I'm just, you know, just whatever, yo.

01:13:36.000 Bong, bong, bong, bong, bong.

01:13:38.000 And he says, listen, God.

01:13:40.000 He said, listen, man.

01:13:42.000 Y'all getting high.

01:13:43.000 Y'all drinking for nothing.

01:13:45.000 No celebration?

01:13:47.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 He said you drink after you complete something and then you celebrate.

01:13:52.000 Nigga! 1.00

01:13:52.000 Yo, seriously. 1.00

01:13:53.000 Yo, did I say it though, son?

01:13:55.000 You said it.

01:13:55.000 You knew it.

01:13:56.000 No celebration, son. 0.96

01:13:57.000 We can't just do this on a Wednesday, nigga. 1.00

01:14:00.000 We can't just do this on a Wednesday.

01:14:02.000 Nah, nah.

01:14:03.000 That's right, son.

01:14:04.000 And he said that.

01:14:04.000 I took that into consideration.

01:14:07.000 And I strive...

01:14:09.000 To give myself a reason.

01:14:12.000 Yes.

01:14:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:13.000 A reason to celebrate.

01:14:14.000 Yeah, a reason to celebrate.

01:14:15.000 That's a beautiful philosophy for life.

01:14:17.000 Give yourself a reason to celebrate.

01:14:18.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:14:19.000 Yo, you too early.

01:14:20.000 Yes.

01:14:20.000 You too early.

01:14:21.000 Yo, you too early.

01:14:23.000 What are you celebrating?

01:14:24.000 Can we celebrate this?

01:14:27.000 So many people that are a fan of yours spill over to fans of mine.

01:14:32.000 And I get so many tweets saying, when are you going to go on the Joe Rogan show?

01:14:37.000 Let's celebrate that.

01:14:38.000 And that's what we're celebrating today.

01:14:39.000 I mean, I've been hearing about you, reading about you, listening to you with my friends and my peers for some years now.

01:14:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:47.000 This is your first time on the show?

01:14:48.000 My first time.

01:14:48.000 But listen, to me, that's an honor.

01:14:52.000 Because to me, I've been listening to your music forever.

01:14:53.000 And so I appreciate you guys tremendously.

01:14:57.000 I respect you.

01:14:58.000 Spit 16, though, son.

01:14:59.000 I can't spit. 0.99

01:15:00.000 But I will tell you that your collaboration with Rage Against the Machine, Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the greatest collaboration in all of rap rock. 0.99

01:15:09.000 Look, second place may be Run DMC and Aerosmith, but to me, my generation, Rage Against the Machine, and Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the ultimate workout. 0.95

01:15:18.000 Can I have a Wu-Tang? 0.93

01:15:19.000 Can I have one Wu-Tang question? 1.00

01:15:20.000 That fucking song, man, if you're doing deadlifts and that song, Wu-Tang, Tiger Style, you're like fucking, and you hear Tom Morello's guitar, you're like, rawr! 1.00

01:15:30.000 You're ready to lift. 1.00

01:15:31.000 I got one Wu-Tang question.

01:15:34.000 Was Wu-Tang...

01:15:36.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:15:38.000 Sorry. 1.00

01:15:38.000 I like the way you start the quest of this shit. 1.00

01:15:40.000 You did me, nigga. 1.00

01:15:42.000 You did like this. 1.00

01:15:43.000 And you syllabued that shit. 1.00

01:15:44.000 Yes, I did. 1.00

01:15:45.000 Was...

01:15:45.000 Yo, look, listen.

01:15:47.000 Okay, okay, go.

01:15:48.000 Sorry, sorry. 0.99

01:15:49.000 How the fuck with you? 0.99

01:15:49.000 Good. 0.99

01:15:50.000 Okay, let me say.

01:15:52.000 Was Wu-Tang the vision...

01:15:56.000 In the design of Wu-Tang, was it designed to fall apart?

01:16:00.000 And when I say fall apart, was it designed where a group of individuals that were getting their equal due respect needed a bigger platform so everybody see them at one time?

01:16:19.000 What he's saying is, you were also talented, but together you were bigger.

01:16:25.000 Were you designed to elevate the profile of all the members?

01:16:29.000 And the reason why I say this, years ago, years ago, years ago, years ago, I had a sketch group years ago.

01:16:33.000 Years ago I had a sketch group. 1.00

01:16:34.000 It was 12 motherfuckers. 1.00

01:16:36.000 Everybody had different personalities. 1.00

01:16:38.000 Everybody was dope.

01:16:39.000 Everybody could be a star, they're different writers, whatever, but nobody had the plan to get the people to see that everybody is nice.

01:16:45.000 Right.

01:16:46.000 I would say this, right?

01:16:48.000 Wu-Tang was designed to come together for a common cause, right?

01:16:54.000 And that cause, of course, being to express our art, to rise ourselves out of poverty, and to feed our families.

01:17:02.000 So that was a foundation.

01:17:04.000 But it's not designed to fall apart.

01:17:06.000 In fact, Wu-Tang, that's why on our second album, it's called Wu-Tang Forever.

01:17:12.000 Right.

01:17:12.000 Meaning no matter what we do, no matter if I go make movies or Method Man make movies or you go and write books.

01:17:17.000 You come back together.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, we always got to come back together because Wu-Tang is forever.

01:17:20.000 But hold on, let me finish the last thing.

01:17:22.000 But now to put us all on the same, like to expose it all to the world through one outlet, yes.

01:17:27.000 It had to be that.

01:17:28.000 It had to be that.

01:17:29.000 Yeah, it had to be that.

01:17:29.000 It had to be that.

01:17:30.000 And the reason why I said it because when I had my sketch group, I had my sketch group years ago.

01:17:34.000 It was called Secret Society when I was doing it.

01:17:35.000 I remember that.

01:17:36.000 I had this manager and she came. 0.78

01:17:38.000 This was before the Dave Chappelle show.

01:17:39.000 It was this thing.

01:17:39.000 I was like, I'm going to do these jokes on my plate.

01:17:41.000 I've been watching you, bro.

01:17:41.000 Look, and then I said, one of the managers I was working with, she was like, the name of my group was Secret Society.

01:17:48.000 She said, I had Mike Epps, I had Mark Thiel, I had Red Grant, I had some bad motherfuckers. 0.98

01:17:53.000 And she said, Donnell, I think Secret Society is falling apart. 1.00

01:17:57.000 I said, nigga, it was supposed to fall apart. 1.00

01:18:00.000 It was supposed to fall apart. 0.84

01:18:01.000 But would it fall?

01:18:02.000 Would it fall?

01:18:03.000 Does it land somewhere you could grow something else?

01:18:05.000 Like, I knew it was only three people that were going to be stars.

01:18:08.000 But it was four other people that were going to be writers.

01:18:11.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:18:11.000 It was two other motherfuckers that was going to be... 1.00

01:18:14.000 It was different shit, but we needed that. 1.00

01:18:16.000 Okay, I got you there. 0.99

01:18:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:18.000 So fall apart, that word, when you said fall apart...

01:18:20.000 I didn't mean it in the next way.

01:18:21.000 I meant like...

01:18:22.000 You meant more like spread his wings.

01:18:23.000 Spread his wings.

01:18:24.000 Yeah.

01:18:24.000 And like even though like when I said that I mean it like even though like everybody for the most part everybody wanted to be a superstar.

01:18:31.000 Everybody had the chops.

01:18:32.000 Everybody wasn't a superstar.

01:18:34.000 Right.

01:18:34.000 And it's proven to this day some people's like this.

01:18:37.000 Guess what? 1.00

01:18:38.000 This motherfucker wrote on eight different shows. 1.00

01:18:40.000 We won. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Right.

01:18:42.000 This dude is touring in Europe.

01:18:43.000 We won.

01:18:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:45.000 It was like, when I say fall apart, it was like, it was going to go there, and then it was just going to be like, it fall like this.

01:18:51.000 Yo, it was good.

01:18:53.000 We all got it.

01:18:54.000 That they're strong enough that they could exist independently.

01:18:58.000 In different areas.

01:18:59.000 But always come back together if they want to.

01:19:01.000 That's why we called ourselves, we was like Wu-Tang forums like Voltron. 0.99

01:19:05.000 So you watch Voltron, each of the lions can fuck some shit up. 0.99

01:19:10.000 But when you need the blazing sword, everybody got to come together and form Voltron. 0.99

01:19:15.000 So we took that philosophy and we knew that within all of our crew that any one of us...

01:19:21.000 First of all, Wu-Tang is a bunch of alphas.

01:19:24.000 It wasn't like...

01:19:25.000 It wasn't no sucker dude.

01:19:27.000 Nobody in Wu-Tang got genes that fit but you.

01:19:32.000 You the only one that got the jeans that's the size of you, son.

01:19:35.000 I'm saying.

01:19:36.000 Niggas is 32, 38, son. 1.00

01:19:38.000 All day, son. 1.00

01:19:40.000 Stupid. 1.00

01:19:41.000 I got jeans that fit. 1.00

01:19:43.000 I've been saying.

01:19:45.000 But it's true.

01:19:45.000 It's right.

01:19:46.000 It's true, though, son.

01:19:47.000 Everybody knows it.

01:19:48.000 Be like...

01:19:49.000 Come on, son.

01:19:50.000 You already know this. 0.98

01:19:50.000 You know, Ghost, that nigga weighs a 32. He's like 42s all day. 0.98

01:19:54.000 And double up on his belt.

01:19:56.000 The 90s baggie, right?

01:19:58.000 Yes, yo.

01:19:58.000 That's my nigga.

01:19:59.000 Yo, you know, back in those days, man, you may have on three pair of pants.

01:20:02.000 Right.

01:20:03.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 In the summer.

01:20:04.000 Yeah.

01:20:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:06.000 But the main thing is that to be able to, you know what I mean, to have the alpha energy, right?

01:20:14.000 And then come to us and to an industry that was lacking that alpha energy.

01:20:20.000 I was in New York.

01:20:22.000 Well, you had mystical philosophy behind it too.

01:20:25.000 Oh, of course.

01:20:26.000 But that was the thing about it is like Wu-Tang was inexorably connected to Kung Fu.

01:20:30.000 Right.

01:20:32.000 That's the Wu.

01:20:33.000 Yes, the ancient Chinese Kung Fu philosophy was a part of the music, man.

01:20:38.000 There was a thing about you guys that you were spiritual.

01:20:41.000 There was an intelligence.

01:20:43.000 And then, of course, you had ODB, who was off the rails.

01:20:47.000 What was beautiful about it is that you...

01:20:50.000 You guys all existed together.

01:20:52.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.98

01:20:53.000 And even though you had this sort of spiritual kung fu kind of energy to it, you also had people just off the rails partying, getting wild as fuck. 0.98

01:21:02.000 Yo, they had New York on fire. 0.99

01:21:04.000 Niggas used to have fucking Wu-Tang sightings and there wasn't even no whoopers in there. 1.00

01:21:14.000 I don't know if there's ever been a group that you could just mention that anybody from Wu-Tang was there. 1.00

01:21:22.000 It was a whole bunch of not Wu-Tang motherfuckers getting a lot of pussy. 1.00

01:21:27.000 And still do. 1.00

01:21:28.000 Yo, it's to this day, son.

01:21:29.000 It's to this day.

01:21:30.000 And yo, there was a guy...

01:21:32.000 Yo, there was...

01:21:33.000 It's the truth, Joe.

01:21:34.000 It's the truth, son.

01:21:35.000 There's a guy that went on tour...

01:21:37.000 I'm expecting Asian. 1.00

01:21:38.000 Like, oh, shit. 1.00

01:21:39.000 They can suck my dick. 1.00

01:21:39.000 We were all day. 1.00

01:21:40.000 And yo, there's a guy who went on... 1.00

01:21:42.000 He's stupid. 1.00

01:21:43.000 Have I told you the truth, son? 1.00

01:21:45.000 Yo.

01:21:45.000 There was a guy who went on tour...

01:21:47.000 Yo, check it out.

01:21:48.000 A guy who went on tour as the fake Cappadonna.

01:21:51.000 Oh, my God.

01:21:52.000 He didn't get caught till he got about 70 grand or something like that.

01:21:55.000 Where was that?

01:21:55.000 In Baltimore?

01:21:58.000 Atlanta, boy.

01:21:58.000 He just did a tour.

01:21:59.000 He just went out. 1.00

01:22:00.000 Because so many of us, you might not know how a motherfucker look. 1.00

01:22:04.000 You ain't going to know. 0.99

01:22:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:06.000 Right.

01:22:07.000 You're not going to know when they start getting in.

01:22:10.000 And then you think about this.

01:22:11.000 This is how Wu is so dope.

01:22:12.000 You think about that.

01:22:12.000 Wu got kids.

01:22:14.000 Wu got kids.

01:22:15.000 We at the point now.

01:22:17.000 I'm old school.

01:22:18.000 Wu kids starting to have kids. 0.80

01:22:20.000 So it's baby woos!

01:22:23.000 It's everywhere!

01:22:24.000 But some people took advantage of it.

01:22:26.000 Well, the most beautiful thing though, that's the beauty of art, creativity, and being the spiritual aspect, the alpha aspect, all these aspects multiplied us to be a unique version of the American dream.

01:22:43.000 And when you look at, you know, we did the documentary of Mikes and Men on Showtime, and you can see that it's more like, it's like the lotus leaf grows out of mud, right?

01:22:54.000 But it's a symbol of Buddhism, which is all this peace and beauty, but it grows out of mud. 0.99

01:22:58.000 So we're like that which grew out of the mud.

01:23:00.000 And then when you go and watch our Hulu series, The American Saga, right?

01:23:06.000 You get to see, like, this...

01:23:09.000 Group of men weren't always on the same page, wasn't always trans with each other.

01:23:15.000 And I think the biggest thing that I learned by putting the TV show on Hulu is that there's other kids across America in a similar situation.

01:23:27.000 Yes.

01:23:27.000 Right?

01:23:28.000 So there's a scene where...

01:23:30.000 It's the soundtrack to life.

01:23:32.000 Right, but not just that.

01:23:33.000 I'm talking about like...

01:23:34.000 But there's other kids that are hearing this, that they can resonate.

01:23:37.000 This makes sense to them.

01:23:38.000 Or living it, right?

01:23:39.000 So to get my first drum machine, I had to, you know, get it by illegal means, right?

01:23:46.000 And think about how many...

01:23:49.000 But think about how many people need something to do something but don't have the means to get it.

01:23:56.000 And some may cross the line.

01:23:58.000 At the end of the day, the way I really got my equipment, I definitely try to do any way to get it, but I didn't get it by stealing it.

01:24:06.000 I had the hustle.

01:24:08.000 But you wanted it, though.

01:24:09.000 You didn't just want to get it for saying, I got it.

01:24:12.000 You wanted it because you wanted to do something with it.

01:24:14.000 I wanted to use it.

01:24:14.000 Right, exactly.

01:24:15.000 That's the difference.

01:24:16.000 I sold apples, oranges, newspapers, socks.

01:24:19.000 I'm one of those socks, guys.

01:24:21.000 Have you been to New York back in the days?

01:24:22.000 Socks. 1.00

01:24:22.000 Nipsey Hussle was a socks motherfucker. 1.00

01:24:24.000 Yeah, you see dudes walking around selling socks. 1.00

01:24:26.000 He was a sock motherfucker. 1.00

01:24:27.000 No, seriously. 1.00

01:24:28.000 You buy him?

01:24:28.000 That's the way you said it.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, he was. 0.99

01:24:30.000 I wanted to say he was a sock nigga. 1.00

01:24:32.000 I didn't say that. 1.00

01:24:34.000 Riz was a sock nigga. 1.00

01:24:35.000 I love him. 0.97

01:24:36.000 Yo, socks. 0.64

01:24:37.000 Yo, whatever.

01:24:38.000 Because you bomb down on 25th Street.

01:24:41.000 You get maybe, you can get a dozen for $30, right?

01:24:45.000 And then you can sell them at $10 a pack.

01:24:47.000 So you get a dozen packs for $30 with six in a pack.

01:24:50.000 You go uptown, right?

01:24:52.000 And you sell them for $10 just for the whole pack of socks.

01:24:54.000 But you gotta find a neighborhood that needs socks.

01:24:56.000 You just can't go in a neighborhood that got a lot of socks.

01:24:58.000 But anybody...

01:25:00.000 You can't, sir.

01:25:01.000 But most people...

01:25:02.000 You can't go to a sock and fix the neighborhood.

01:25:04.000 Sock and fix the neighborhood. 0.92

01:25:07.000 You can't do it, sir.

01:25:09.000 You can't do it, sir.

01:25:10.000 Sock and fix the neighborhood. 0.92

01:25:13.000 But the opposite is this.

01:25:15.000 So usually... 1.00

01:25:16.000 He's stupid, yo. 1.00

01:25:18.000 Usually uptown, right? 1.00

01:25:20.000 Usually people go uptown to buy their clothes, high-end clothes.

01:25:25.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:25:26.000 You go uptown to get...

01:25:27.000 No, you get drugs from uptown.

01:25:31.000 Oh, drugs.

01:25:32.000 Like, I could get $100 worth of drugs uptown, bring it back downtown, sell it for $200.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, it's just saying, like, in the heart of uptown, they had the best rates on any drug you ever needed.

01:25:42.000 So you could buy drugs?

01:25:44.000 Like, you could buy an ounce uptown.

01:25:48.000 Right?

01:25:49.000 And sell it downtown, or even take it back to Staten Island, you're gonna triple your money.

01:25:53.000 Triple.

01:25:54.000 Easy.

01:25:55.000 So Staten Island's three.

01:25:56.000 You can easily triple your money.

01:25:57.000 Like the Village is two?

01:25:59.000 Yeah, like that.

01:25:59.000 If you go out of state, you may five times it.

01:26:02.000 And that's when all the New York motherfuckers was coming down to D.C. and Virginia. 1.00

01:26:06.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:26:08.000 But socks, you buy downtown.

01:26:13.000 And take it uptown because the drug dealers are fly. 1.00

01:26:15.000 They got to have clean socks.

01:26:17.000 They got to have clean socks all day.

01:26:18.000 So now they're buying the socks for $10 that you paid $5 for.

01:26:23.000 That was my hustle.

01:26:24.000 Do you remember in New York when they had movies?

01:26:26.000 Remember they had VHS tapes where people would sit in the back of the movie theater and film the movie and make a VHS? They'd set up a camcorder, film it.

01:26:33.000 That was the worst. 1.00

01:26:34.000 The worst bootlegging shit ever. 1.00

01:26:36.000 The sound was so terrible. 1.00

01:26:38.000 But then that's the same time. 0.99

01:26:41.000 That's when VCR just came in, so it didn't matter the quality, you just had to have something to put in the fucking new technology. 0.83

01:26:49.000 You know what art form or whatever supports new technology, always deal with? 0.99

01:26:56.000 Porno.

01:27:02.000 Whenever there's a new whether it's from beta to VHS to CD, it's porno that gets people to explore the new technology.

01:27:13.000 They paved the way.

01:27:14.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

01:27:15.000 Yeah, because there's so many people that are jerking off. 0.99

01:27:17.000 It's an unsatisfiable quantity. 0.99

01:27:22.000 You always can count on them. 1.00

01:27:24.000 People are always going to jerk off to porn. 0.99

01:27:25.000 So how do you get it to them quicker? 0.99

01:27:27.000 How do you get it to them where you can make some money?

01:27:29.000 It went from rewinding to CD to a leak to...

01:27:33.000 Now all you need is tag words.

01:27:36.000 The only thing that's been explained to me though, the way we think about people stealing music or people stealing comedy, they think about stealing porn.

01:27:43.000 So if you go to certain sites where it's just free and you just watch porn, apparently the people that make it, they don't get a piece of that.

01:27:49.000 So someone's making a ton of money and the other people are stealing.

01:27:52.000 So you're saying if we make... 1.00

01:27:53.000 You can't negotiate too much if your pussy's wide open. 1.00

01:27:55.000 This is like... 1.00

01:27:56.000 I'm just saying, so it's like...

01:27:58.000 I know, like, this is not why we're doing your rights.

01:28:00.000 Yo, you can't be...

01:28:01.000 Like, you need to get somebody in between you making your argument.

01:28:06.000 I see what you're saying, but, I mean, isn't it...

01:28:08.000 It's a commodity.

01:28:09.000 It's a thing.

01:28:10.000 Just like a joke.

01:28:11.000 Poetry commodity?

01:28:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:13.000 In a way.

01:28:13.000 I mean, if you create something.

01:28:14.000 If it's legal, and you hire a cameraman, you pay an actor, you pay an actress, you let him fuck, you give him a certain amount, you film it, and then that's yours.

01:28:26.000 And then someone takes that and then they put it up on their website and then you could watch it for free and they sell advertising space and they make money off something that they didn't buy.

01:28:35.000 They didn't buy it at all.

01:28:36.000 That's infringing.

01:28:37.000 Yeah, it's no different than if they downloaded a Wu-Tang album and then they started selling it.

01:28:43.000 They put it on a website and then put ads connected to that Wu-Tang album.

01:28:48.000 So then that means they need to get better lawyers, negotiate better stories, better contracts.

01:28:52.000 What happened to you guys with that one album, that drug pharmacy dude, Martin, what's his name?

01:28:58.000 Martin Scarelli.

01:28:59.000 Scarelli.

01:28:59.000 He actually got a hold...

01:29:02.000 Of one of your albums that's an unreleased Wu-Tang album.

01:29:06.000 I heard it was two of them.

01:29:07.000 The street said it was two.

01:29:08.000 What's the reality?

01:29:09.000 We have the man.

01:29:11.000 That was smart.

01:29:12.000 The reality of it is that it's now sitting in a temperature control room in the Department of Justice.

01:29:19.000 Really?

01:29:20.000 Yeah.

01:29:20.000 So it's his?

01:29:21.000 He owns it still?

01:29:22.000 Well, he's incarcerated right now.

01:29:25.000 Right, right, right.

01:29:26.000 And so I think a lot of his assets have been seized by the government.

01:29:30.000 Right.

01:29:30.000 And include in that album.

01:29:32.000 So those songs have never been released?

01:29:34.000 Nah. 0.97

01:29:34.000 Who the fuck figures out a way to make music into art? 0.97

01:29:37.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

01:29:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:39.000 But is that beautiful or what? 1.00

01:29:41.000 That guy's gotta be broke.

01:29:42.000 Is there a way I could buy that off of him?

01:29:44.000 For real.

01:29:45.000 How dope would that look right here?

01:29:48.000 How dope would that look?

01:29:49.000 It'd be beautiful right here.

01:29:50.000 But I would release that online.

01:29:52.000 Or release it with you.

01:29:54.000 I'll buy it.

01:29:55.000 You made for free though. 1.00

01:29:56.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:29:57.000 Whatever you want. 0.99

01:29:58.000 But sitting there makes no sense to me.

01:30:02.000 And that box looks dope.

01:30:03.000 And I know that guy's in jail.

01:30:04.000 You figure out a way to make music art.

01:30:06.000 You get out, Martin.

01:30:06.000 Holla at your boy.

01:30:07.000 And you know what?

01:30:09.000 That's the phrase.

01:30:10.000 Wouldn't that be dope right here though?

01:30:12.000 It would.

01:30:13.000 I'll tell you one thing.

01:30:15.000 I did have a conversation with a gentleman, right?

01:30:17.000 With Martin?

01:30:18.000 Yeah, I said, listen, yo.

01:30:20.000 Because he had a lot of bad things going on for him.

01:30:22.000 I said, yo, if I was you, I would take this chance to do philanthropy.

01:30:28.000 And I would give this away to the public.

01:30:31.000 If I was him.

01:30:32.000 Based on how much he had talking from the public.

01:30:34.000 Like we talked about earlier, he wasn't a nice person.

01:30:38.000 He didn't want to give the impression that he was a nice person. 0.99

01:30:40.000 He wanted to be, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:30:43.000 And what you said was he was having too much fun, son. 0.99

01:30:46.000 It was just too much. 1.00

01:30:47.000 Like, whatever, bitch. 1.00

01:30:48.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:30:48.000 I got this. 1.00

01:30:49.000 But you know what?

01:30:50.000 I don't think he understood consequences.

01:30:52.000 I think he was doing that.

01:30:53.000 No, of course he didn't.

01:30:55.000 He thought, look, he's a kid.

01:30:57.000 Wasn't he born into money?

01:30:58.000 No.

01:30:59.000 Where'd he make his money?

01:31:00.000 No, he made his money in the pharmaceutical industry.

01:31:03.000 Yeah, he was immigrant parents who was like janitors. 1.00

01:31:06.000 But he wasn't born to this company?

01:31:09.000 No.

01:31:10.000 So he was a part of the company?

01:31:11.000 He was part of the company, but I think one thing that he had, he had tenacity more than anything.

01:31:15.000 Oh, okay.

01:31:17.000 Very smart dude.

01:31:18.000 But he probably never experienced a public eye like he did with this whole pharmaceutical crisis where he's overcharging for, was it AIDS medication?

01:31:23.000 No, I think he probably did, but I think that his point, he wanted to be known as that guy.

01:31:30.000 He was a smart dude.

01:31:31.000 He wanted to be known as that guy.

01:31:33.000 He didn't mind being a supervillain, let's put it that way.

01:31:37.000 More than Lex Luthor.

01:31:38.000 Okay.

01:31:39.000 He didn't want to be on the low making money.

01:31:41.000 He tried to be on the podcast.

01:31:43.000 He did?

01:31:43.000 He reached out to me.

01:31:44.000 Oh, that would have been interesting.

01:31:48.000 But I did tell him, I mean, me, I'm the type of person, I'm always going to try to say some advice in a positive form.

01:31:58.000 That's just my personality.

01:31:59.000 I'm like, listen, bro. 0.99

01:32:00.000 They're talking shit about you in the world. 0.99

01:32:03.000 It don't look good for you. 0.99

01:32:04.000 Wu-Tang is good.

01:32:05.000 Wu-Tang forever?

01:32:06.000 Yeah.

01:32:07.000 I say, if I was you, I'll take this opportunity to do something good.

01:32:11.000 How about this?

01:32:12.000 Maybe he sells me the box and then we release the music.

01:32:16.000 I'll buy the whole thing from him and then we'll release it.

01:32:19.000 I don't know.

01:32:20.000 I don't care.

01:32:21.000 I don't know.

01:32:22.000 If he's got it, he wants to sell it.

01:32:24.000 If that dude's got it, he wants to sell it.

01:32:26.000 The weird thing for me, I don't think there's ever...

01:32:28.000 He's locked up.

01:32:29.000 For how long, though?

01:32:31.000 He's just lost his appeal, so...

01:32:33.000 Oh.

01:32:34.000 The thing... 1.00

01:32:35.000 Can you sell shit while you're in jail? 1.00

01:32:37.000 You play Monopoly? 1.00

01:32:39.000 When I play Monopoly, don't you do that?

01:32:41.000 Yo, I just think like this.

01:32:42.000 I think like this.

01:32:43.000 Do you do that?

01:32:44.000 When you play Monopoly, and you're in jail, it's your turn.

01:32:47.000 Do you still be like, I want a house?

01:32:48.000 No, no, no.

01:32:49.000 It drives me crazy.

01:32:50.000 I do that.

01:32:51.000 How many songs?

01:32:53.000 Like 25 songs. 0.98

01:32:55.000 That is ridiculous. 0.90

01:32:56.000 I think, me personally... 0.96

01:32:57.000 That needs to be released.

01:32:58.000 I think, I don't, my personal opinion, nobody in the history of music has been able to make an idea or a song that's never heard art.

01:33:13.000 Art! 0.94

01:33:14.000 Like, to be quite honest, there might not even be no motherfuckin' songs in there. 0.96

01:33:21.000 Don't you think he listens? 0.97

01:33:23.000 Don't you think he knows?

01:33:24.000 No, I'm not saying that.

01:33:26.000 What I'm saying is, the point I'm making is, it's more valuable, never being heard, never being cracked, than released.

01:33:37.000 You release it, then you set it up for people to be critical of it, kind of give their opinion.

01:33:42.000 The opinion is, there was something so dope that we could just break it down to one thing.

01:33:50.000 What was the thought process behind that?

01:33:52.000 From my point of view, music was being devalued.

01:34:04.000 Through streaming services?

01:34:05.000 By society, right?

01:34:06.000 How so?

01:34:08.000 Through streaming, of course.

01:34:10.000 Illegal downloads?

01:34:11.000 Illegal downloads.

01:34:13.000 Let's talk a little bit of business.

01:34:14.000 I won't go too deep.

01:34:15.000 I'll give you two minutes of business.

01:34:17.000 Let's just take Napster, who's the founder of this type of technology.

01:34:21.000 And he takes millions of songs and gives them away.

01:34:25.000 And now people are getting all these songs for free.

01:34:28.000 Now the music industry, like any other industry, has a certain quota of business it does every year.

01:34:34.000 Like every other industry, right?

01:34:36.000 Whether it's $4 billion a year or $5 billion a year, it's an industry of a group of people and that's their yearly quota.

01:34:42.000 So if Napster comes, right, and he takes all these songs where all these people who are waiting for their publishing checks, waiting for their economics to be created from music, now there's no publishing check.

01:34:55.000 All the numbers are now decreased because there's no physical sale of your music for us to accumulate a value to send you a check.

01:35:02.000 But then at the end of the day, after he does that...

01:35:06.000 He gets a billion dollars.

01:35:08.000 So now you're talking what belongs to, let's say there's a thousand artists that's worth value as far as, you know, that sell records that you could, say, accumulate money, right?

01:35:18.000 So we took the power of a thousand and put it in one man's hand, okay?

01:35:23.000 So that's one of the first mistakes as an industry we make.

01:35:27.000 And then the second mistake we make is that now there's services going and there's illegal downloads I think?

01:35:54.000 And you're using it for music.

01:35:55.000 Let me ask you this.

01:35:56.000 What's the best way?

01:35:57.000 Without your headphones, without music, your headphones is useless.

01:36:01.000 Right.

01:36:01.000 So why would you not pay the 10, 20 hours for the music?

01:36:05.000 Because they don't have to, right?

01:36:06.000 Right.

01:36:07.000 Because they can get it some other way.

01:36:08.000 But let me ask you this.

01:36:09.000 What is the best way to support artists?

01:36:11.000 What's the best way to buy it?

01:36:13.000 Well, the best way to buy it now.

01:36:15.000 Music?

01:36:15.000 No.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:36:16.000 Oh, no, no, now.

01:36:17.000 Your music.

01:36:18.000 Wu-Tang Clan, anybody's music.

01:36:20.000 What's the best way that you get the most out of it?

01:36:22.000 Well, the best way in the past was physical, but now the industry has figured out how to monetize the digital streaming.

01:36:28.000 So now, things are starting to rebalance.

01:36:31.000 But during this period of time, maybe within the last three, four years, it's starting to rebalance.

01:36:35.000 But you look at from 2000 to 2015, there's a total unbalance.

01:36:42.000 And a lot of artists have to stop making music because there's no economics in it.

01:36:47.000 Now, a group like the Wu-Tang Clan, right?

01:36:49.000 So let's just say...

01:36:50.000 Let's just say the average verse for a woo rapper, you know, let's say, yo, let me get 16. He might be like, yo, yeah, son.

01:36:57.000 Tell him, he don't know what 16 is, tell him.

01:36:59.000 Yeah, 16. I didn't know.

01:37:00.000 Let's say, yo, throw me 20 cents for that.

01:37:06.000 Right?

01:37:06.000 Okay.

01:37:07.000 20,000, Joe.

01:37:08.000 Okay.

01:37:09.000 So now let's just say he got 10 verses on this album.

01:37:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:14.000 Let's say every other room member do the same.

01:37:17.000 So to get an album made, it may cost a million dollars.

01:37:21.000 A studio session is up to, let's say at the cheapest level, 100 bucks an hour.

01:37:28.000 You do a 12-hour block out.

01:37:30.000 That's another grand a day just to get into the studio.

01:37:33.000 Then you got your engineer.

01:37:34.000 So it costs money to create music, right?

01:37:37.000 But now you get all this done, and you want to sell it, and the world just takes it for free.

01:37:44.000 So now you can't recreate again.

01:37:46.000 Now even though the tools have gotten easier now, and you can do a lot with your laptop and all that, even a laptop is 2Gs, bro.

01:37:52.000 Even the download just...

01:37:56.000 Logic, right?

01:37:57.000 Which everybody used.

01:37:58.000 $200, man.

01:37:59.000 And so, you need a...

01:38:01.000 So, it's merchandise and brand now.

01:38:04.000 It's merchandise and brand.

01:38:06.000 It's merchandise and being able to take the idea of that brand and make it more money.

01:38:09.000 But if you're a fan, what's the best way to support you?

01:38:13.000 What's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan?

01:38:15.000 What's the best way to support...

01:38:16.000 Is it Apple Music?

01:38:17.000 What is the The best way?

01:38:19.000 iTunes?

01:38:19.000 No, now everything is found this way.

01:38:22.000 Otherwise, if you could stream it...

01:38:23.000 Streaming's good.

01:38:23.000 Yeah, you could stream it.

01:38:24.000 Spotify's good.

01:38:25.000 Spotify's good.

01:38:26.000 You could download it directly to your phone.

01:38:29.000 But if you're going to give directions to fans, like what's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan?

01:38:33.000 What's the best way to accumulate music, acquire music?

01:38:37.000 I mean, if I just put it in...

01:38:39.000 They're all good now?

01:38:39.000 Like streaming?

01:38:40.000 Yeah, I think it's balanced.

01:38:41.000 Let me just say this.

01:38:41.000 iTunes?

01:38:42.000 Amazon?

01:38:43.000 Look, music is...

01:38:44.000 The second thing, the catch-22 here, Joe, is this.

01:38:46.000 Okay.

01:38:48.000 Now, music is also made to be heard.

01:38:50.000 Yes.

01:38:51.000 So, while at one point I tried to prove a point by saying, look, I'm going to put a value on it so you know there's a value to it because there's a value to me.

01:38:59.000 But then on the other point, right, I put another album out called A Better Tomorrow, which is like, yo, do what you want with that.

01:39:06.000 You know how I come?

01:39:06.000 Because I don't make music for me to listen to.

01:39:08.000 I make it for the world to listen to it at the same time.

01:39:11.000 So, the best way to support your artist is just by listening to the music.

01:39:15.000 All right?

01:39:16.000 Beautiful.

01:39:17.000 I'm with you.

01:39:18.000 Beautiful.

01:39:19.000 So this is good though.

01:39:20.000 This is because I've always wanted to know this because I've always been like, what do I do?

01:39:24.000 Do I do iTunes?

01:39:25.000 Do I do Amazon?

01:39:26.000 Where do you get the most money back from?

01:39:29.000 Yeah, I think the system has found a way to balance itself.

01:39:33.000 Okay, so it's okay now.

01:39:34.000 Yeah, so Spotify is good.

01:39:37.000 Streaming.

01:39:38.000 I think even Taylor Swift is thinking about coming over to the streaming thing. 0.99

01:39:42.000 That dirty girl. 1.00

01:39:43.000 Everybody's going to come to the streaming show. 0.99

01:39:45.000 Yeah, because that's the way to listen now.

01:39:47.000 As long as she gets a good deal, right?

01:39:48.000 The only thing, like you said, just the whole thing at the end of the day is play fair.

01:39:52.000 Yes.

01:39:52.000 Like, you know what?

01:39:53.000 You can say, I don't want this streaming service, but somebody has to have a platform for people to even come check for you.

01:39:59.000 Yes, 100%.

01:40:00.000 But the other thing is, fans need to know.

01:40:03.000 Fans need to know.

01:40:04.000 If I'm a fan and $14 is not too much money for me to spend, I need to know where to spend it.

01:40:11.000 If there's one place you could tell me, that's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan.

01:40:15.000 If I was a fan and I had the money to spend, I would buy the vinyl.

01:40:24.000 Why?

01:40:25.000 Because it's tangible.

01:40:27.000 Yo, it's so funny because that makes sense.

01:40:29.000 Why?

01:40:29.000 Because it's tangible.

01:40:30.000 Yeah, it's tangible.

01:40:31.000 I'm spending money.

01:40:32.000 Right.

01:40:32.000 Okay?

01:40:32.000 You get a physical object.

01:40:33.000 Yeah, physical for physical.

01:40:35.000 Especially a record.

01:40:36.000 Like, you buy the vinyl.

01:40:37.000 Yo, that's so funny that you said that because I know people of certain...

01:40:42.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:40:45.000 It's like this. 1.00

01:40:46.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:40:47.000 They want audio rights to something so they can put it on vinyl. 0.99

01:40:51.000 And then the value is the history, the story. 0.98

01:40:55.000 Like, a motherfucker won a vinyl Wu-Tang because it's art. 0.98

01:40:59.000 Just like with the one joy, it's art. 0.99

01:41:02.000 It's art, brother.

01:41:02.000 And like you said, we talked about it earlier.

01:41:05.000 It's coming back.

01:41:06.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 It's coming back.

01:41:08.000 Now, I'm not saying it's going to go to clubs or anything like that and the DJs like that, but the act of collecting something and take home with you.

01:41:16.000 They're so tangible.

01:41:17.000 Remember CDs?

01:41:18.000 CDs is like...

01:41:20.000 This technology is about to die.

01:41:23.000 Why would I buy this CD? Because it has a booklet.

01:41:27.000 Remember?

01:41:28.000 The booklet?

01:41:28.000 Well, albums.

01:41:29.000 That was a big part of what albums were was the artwork.

01:41:32.000 Yeah, it was the artwork.

01:41:33.000 You could pitch a weed on it.

01:41:36.000 And those CDs, you break your weed up.

01:41:39.000 Big Bamboo, they gave you a giant piece of rolling paper.

01:41:43.000 And that was the last thing.

01:41:44.000 And I don't see what you did, but I don't see people doing that.

01:41:48.000 But I think it's going to go back.

01:41:50.000 Everybody's not going to have 1200s in their house or whatever, but some people, especially if it's a genre or something that you connect with, they're going to be like, I want to buy that.

01:41:59.000 Well, you know what's important, though, for fans?

01:42:00.000 We don't know.

01:42:01.000 I got to pee, son.

01:42:02.000 Go pee, bro.

01:42:02.000 I've been here for a long time, son.

01:42:03.000 Go pee.

01:42:04.000 I got to pee.

01:42:04.000 It's okay, sir.

01:42:05.000 I'm going to wait for you.

01:42:06.000 It's okay.

01:42:07.000 It's okay. 0.99

01:42:07.000 No, you're going to talk shit when I leave, son. 0.99

01:42:09.000 You'll be like, he probably wouldn't go eat some bacon or something. 1.00

01:42:12.000 Fuck this, son. 1.00

01:42:13.000 I'll be right back. 1.00

01:42:14.000 For a lot of fans, they don't know.

01:42:16.000 Like, they don't know what...

01:42:17.000 There's no clearly established what's the best way to support an artist.

01:42:20.000 Like, we don't know.

01:42:21.000 And it's more gray now than ever.

01:42:23.000 But like I said, if you...

01:42:24.000 Look, the physical act of going somewhere, right?

01:42:28.000 Right.

01:42:28.000 And buying something...

01:42:31.000 It's a give and take.

01:42:32.000 It's an act.

01:42:32.000 It's like going to a restaurant.

01:42:34.000 Look, the food is three times the price of cooking at home, but it's a physical act.

01:42:39.000 So if you really love an artist, it's just like I paid $100 for the soundtrack to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood soundtrack.

01:42:50.000 A hundred dollars?

01:42:52.000 Yeah, it was a hundred dollars for the sound.

01:42:53.000 It was a collector's.

01:42:54.000 They had like a collector's vinyl.

01:42:56.000 Oh, okay.

01:42:58.000 Down at the Grammy Museum.

01:42:59.000 I saw it.

01:43:00.000 I was like, I'm going to take this.

01:43:01.000 Some great songs on there.

01:43:04.000 What's the band that made Cherokee Nation?

01:43:06.000 Cherokee Nation.

01:43:07.000 What's the name of that band?

01:43:09.000 I won't have to go there now.

01:43:11.000 But anyway, point being made.

01:43:12.000 Cherokee people. 0.90

01:43:13.000 Yeah, Cherokee.

01:43:14.000 People, Cherokee pride.

01:43:16.000 Yeah, who made that one?

01:43:17.000 I don't know.

01:43:18.000 Some love to live. 1.00

01:43:19.000 Yeah, who the fuck made that? 1.00

01:43:21.000 Cherokee people! 1.00

01:43:24.000 What is it?

01:43:26.000 Cherokee pride!

01:43:29.000 Who made that?

01:43:32.000 What is it?

01:43:32.000 I don't know.

01:43:33.000 I'm finding a bunch.

01:43:34.000 Paul Revere and the Raiders.

01:43:35.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:43:35.000 Is that it?

01:43:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:36.000 Okay, Paul Revere and the Raiders.

01:43:38.000 That's a bold move.

01:43:39.000 George Washington, the dude's in the boat.

01:43:41.000 I know, right?

01:43:42.000 But point being made is I wanted that vinyl.

01:43:45.000 Yes, the physical thing.

01:43:46.000 I wanted that.

01:43:47.000 And I paid my $100 for it.

01:43:48.000 Right.

01:43:49.000 And I walked out the store with it.

01:43:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:51.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 It's just like comic books, you know?

01:43:52.000 I just got a first issue of the new X-Men.

01:43:55.000 I actually bought it for meth.

01:43:56.000 So when I see him, I'm going to give it to him.

01:43:58.000 But because he loves comic books.

01:43:59.000 And I was in...

01:44:02.000 Well, I was at St. Louis.

01:44:04.000 After St. Louis, I was in...

01:44:05.000 Anyway, I was in that area.

01:44:08.000 And they had a comic book store there.

01:44:10.000 I went in there, and I was like, yo, they had the first issue of the new X-Men.

01:44:15.000 Bought that in plastic.

01:44:18.000 Pit that in my bag.

01:44:19.000 Now, of course, you could go online, but the physical, tangible thing, I think, is the best way to support artists.

01:44:26.000 And nowadays, the way artists actually make the most economics...

01:44:31.000 It's through live concerts.

01:44:33.000 So the only way that's going to work is if somebody hears your music.

01:44:36.000 So I always tell fans, look, just listen.

01:44:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:39.000 Listen, enjoy.

01:44:40.000 We're creating something for you to understand or for you to feel a vibe or for me to take you to my location, like Cash Rule, everything around me.

01:44:48.000 We're taking you back to New York, the New York crime side, you know what I mean?

01:44:52.000 And then when you come down and you get that song in your DNA and you come to a concert and you see us perform it, now we have a symbiotic relationship, you know what I mean?

01:45:03.000 So that's how I see it.

01:45:04.000 That's beautiful because you're giving them a physical object.

01:45:06.000 Yeah, I think it's important.

01:45:07.000 I think you're right, man. 0.99

01:45:08.000 That's why I want that goddamn box. 0.99

01:45:10.000 Where are you, Martin? 1.00

01:45:11.000 Get out of jail. 1.00

01:45:11.000 Sell me that box, bitch. 1.00

01:45:13.000 Come on. 1.00

01:45:16.000 How much do you think he'll sell it for?

01:45:18.000 If you had to guess.

01:45:19.000 How much did he buy it for?

01:45:21.000 He had it, I mean, I think they bought it, what, two million now?

01:45:24.000 Two million dollars.

01:45:25.000 But I think he had it on eBay.

01:45:27.000 Didn't even release it.

01:45:27.000 I think he had it on eBay.

01:45:29.000 I'm going to buy it and release it for free.

01:45:32.000 I'm going to release it, if that's okay with you.

01:45:34.000 If it's not, tell me and you guys can sell it.

01:45:37.000 But we need to have that.

01:45:38.000 That needs to be released.

01:45:40.000 Twenty-what?

01:45:40.000 Twenty-four?

01:45:41.000 Twenty-five.

01:45:42.000 Twenty-five songs? 0.99

01:45:43.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.98

01:45:45.000 Let's make this happen, man. 0.99

01:45:46.000 Martin, where you at?

01:45:54.000 I hear the feds listening.

01:45:59.000 Martin, Martin, Martin, when you getting out, I need the box for the desk, Martin.

01:46:04.000 Wow.

01:46:05.000 Did you, um, so, so, wow, so, so now that Donnell's gone, I can talk about him right now.

01:46:12.000 He's the best, man.

01:46:13.000 We finally got him to do a podcast.

01:46:15.000 I've shamed him into doing one episode that he already did, because he didn't want to come here and tell me that he hadn't done it yet.

01:46:22.000 So he did one, and then we're going to take that one.

01:46:25.000 Jamie's going to produce it and edit it.

01:46:28.000 He's over there shaking his head like...

01:46:30.000 We're going to do it together.

01:46:31.000 We'll promote it.

01:46:32.000 I'll promote it on Instagram.

01:46:33.000 I've just been trying to get him to do it forever. 0.99

01:46:36.000 He's a goddamn natural. 0.99

01:46:38.000 He's a natural. 1.00

01:46:39.000 He makes me cry.

01:46:41.000 He can't be stopped.

01:46:43.000 Now, you said you do hot yoga.

01:46:44.000 Are you into Zen?

01:46:46.000 Anything Zen?

01:46:49.000 Is it all physical with yoga for you or is it something spiritual? 0.98

01:46:52.000 No, it's a mind cleansing thing as much as it's a physical cleansing thing because it's all about concentrating on my breath and ignoring all the fucking ideas that keep darting in and out of my head.

01:47:02.000 It's just like meditation in the sense that I'm trying to calm myself down and center myself and I'm trying to cleanse myself.

01:47:09.000 So when I'm holding poses and I'm concentrating on my Breathing, what it does is it eliminates all of the stuff that I don't necessarily want in my head.

01:47:18.000 Right.

01:47:18.000 And allows me to manage my mind better.

01:47:20.000 And I think that's the thing that is misunderstood about yoga.

01:47:24.000 Because in my opinion, and I've done both, I've done regular meditation, I've done physical exercise.

01:47:28.000 I think there's a benefit, a great unrecognized benefit to physical meditation.

01:47:34.000 And I find that in yoga, I find that in martial arts.

01:47:37.000 Yeah.

01:47:37.000 I don't know if you find that as well.

01:47:38.000 Definitely.

01:47:39.000 Yeah.

01:47:39.000 Because you have...

01:47:40.000 You have still meditation. 1.00

01:47:43.000 Those fucking stupid lights, man. 1.00

01:47:46.000 We gotta fix them. 1.00

01:47:47.000 Jamie and I have been talking about it for three years.

01:47:49.000 What happened to the chest, son?

01:47:51.000 The what?

01:47:51.000 The chest.

01:47:52.000 Oh, it's being refilled with terrifying concoctions.

01:47:57.000 So we're talking about physical meditation, right?

01:48:01.000 And still meditation.

01:48:02.000 So let's just say there's a meditation where you just sit still and you just breathe.

01:48:07.000 And actually, Wu-Tang, right?

01:48:09.000 So I'm going to give you a little Wu-Tang lore.

01:48:11.000 So Wu-Tang...

01:48:13.000 The story is there's a monk named Changseng Fei who leaves Shaolin Temple because he feels that the physical exercise is not the pure way to enlightenment.

01:48:26.000 He thought that the Kung Fu was too external.

01:48:29.000 Too many complications for the ego.

01:48:31.000 So he retreats to the mountain.

01:48:35.000 And he goes for internal Kung Fu.

01:48:37.000 But in the process of doing internal Kung Fu, such as Tai Chi, Zen Yi, Bakwa, right?

01:48:46.000 Like, these techniques, like, there's this thing called the Ace Piece Brocade, where you just sit.

01:48:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:53.000 And you just do very small movements.

01:48:55.000 First, you bang on the back of your ears.

01:48:57.000 It's called banging on the heavenly drums to open up the back of your brain.

01:49:02.000 If you do that right now, if you cover your ears, right?

01:49:05.000 If you take the headphones off, right?

01:49:08.000 And you cover your ears like this.

01:49:09.000 You take your thumb like that.

01:49:11.000 Okay.

01:49:13.000 Of course it's louder, right?

01:49:14.000 You hear it, right?

01:49:15.000 Oh, it gives you like a little rhythm.

01:49:17.000 Right.

01:49:18.000 So you do that first, right?

01:49:20.000 And that's just to open up your brain, like to open that up, right?

01:49:24.000 You do it while inhaling, exhaling, balancing again and yank.

01:49:28.000 That's one of the brocades.

01:49:30.000 So he made these eight pieces of brocade.

01:49:33.000 Brocade means something that's blocked.

01:49:38.000 So you want to open it up.

01:49:41.000 You want to open up your main vessels, you know what I mean?

01:49:45.000 Of course being your ears, your eyes, your nose, your mouth.

01:49:48.000 That goes back to Jesus saying, The seven churches.

01:49:52.000 What is the seven churches?

01:49:53.000 It says, Jesus spoke to the seven churches.

01:49:55.000 Well, he spoke to the two eyes, the two nose, two holes in your nose, your mouth, and your two ears.

01:49:59.000 So he's speaking to a man.

01:50:00.000 He said, out of his mouth came a double-edged sword.

01:50:03.000 The sword, of course, no sword can't come out of your mouth.

01:50:05.000 Your tongue is that sword.

01:50:07.000 Double-edged.

01:50:07.000 Exactly.

01:50:09.000 Shout out to all the preachers that are eating pussy, but go ahead. 1.00

01:50:13.000 Wait, that's P-E-P. You got to make that an acronym. 1.00

01:50:18.000 P-E-P. But anyway, before the Coneligas part of it comes, right? 0.99

01:50:28.000 Before we get to the Coneligas.

01:50:30.000 So Wu-Tang itself, right, this guy leaves the temple, goes to the mountain to meditate, and he's dealing with still meditation.

01:50:39.000 But in all reality, when you mix it together, Wu-Tang and Shaolin, you have the physical and the still meditation.

01:50:47.000 And it takes both to actually find this level of enlightenment you're looking for.

01:50:52.000 So when Bodhidharma came to Shaolin, he actually came from India.

01:50:57.000 So Bodhidharma was an Indian monk who was more of a yoga student.

01:51:02.000 He comes to Shaolin and he's trying to teach them the Indian way, but he realized that all the monks are too weak to sit there and they're still meditation.

01:51:10.000 And so he created something called the low hands, right?

01:51:13.000 Or the 18 low hands.

01:51:15.000 And these forms and these steps were made so that now they could do a physical movement To build their body up so now they can meditate longer.

01:51:25.000 Because you can have a strong mind.

01:51:26.000 What's the use of a strong mind without a strong body?

01:51:30.000 And what's the use of a strong body without a strong mind?

01:51:33.000 So that's the yin and yang must be balanced.

01:51:35.000 And so that's the Shaolin and Wu-Tang philosophy.

01:51:38.000 So when we made Wu-Tang Clan, and I'll go back to myself with this, we made Wu-Tang Clan as the name of our crew.

01:51:44.000 We took the verse from the Bible about the double-edged sword and Jesus speaking, right?

01:51:49.000 We said, okay, We're going to use our words and our wisdom and our spirituality to talk to the world through our music, right?

01:51:57.000 But we also took that in the Wu-Tang Law.

01:52:00.000 They said the Wu-Tang martial art monks, they developed the best sword style.

01:52:04.000 So we're like, well, we're the Wu-Tang.

01:52:06.000 We have the best sword style.

01:52:08.000 But we come from Shaolin because that's the well which springs forth, right?

01:52:15.000 And so we took the physical of Shaolin as our base, the spiritual, the meditative force of Wu-Tang, and we put it together.

01:52:22.000 And our album starts off, if what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous. 0.99

01:52:32.000 Damn! 0.99

01:52:33.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:52:35.000 That's hip-hop history, ladies and gentlemen.

01:52:38.000 I need a Wu name, son.

01:52:41.000 Yo, give me a Wu-Tang name, son.

01:52:43.000 What would it be?

01:52:44.000 I don't know.

01:52:45.000 You gotta go through that name generator, sir.

01:52:48.000 Yo, Jamie, can you name generate me?

01:52:51.000 No.

01:52:51.000 How do you do it?

01:52:51.000 You can't change who you are.

01:52:53.000 The words won't change your essence.

01:52:56.000 Your essence is Donnell Rawlings.

01:52:58.000 There's no escaping that.

01:52:59.000 Joe, I respect what you're saying right now. 1.00

01:53:01.000 I respect that, and you sound very white right now, but I'm just saying, motherfucker, Riz is in here. 1.00

01:53:08.000 I want a woo name, son. 0.99

01:53:10.000 I understand that.

01:53:11.000 I understand that.

01:53:11.000 I appreciate that.

01:53:12.000 Yo, when I did that show, Hollyweed, with Kevin Smith, there was this part.

01:53:16.000 Look at this.

01:53:17.000 Wu-Tang Generator. 0.99

01:53:19.000 Arrogant Dreamer.

01:53:20.000 That ain't right. 0.95

01:53:21.000 I don't want that.

01:53:22.000 I don't want that one.

01:53:23.000 Give me a new name, son.

01:53:25.000 Come on, man. 0.96

01:53:26.000 Arrogant Dreamer is pretty dope. 1.00

01:53:28.000 I like that.

01:53:29.000 Listen, when I was doing the Kevin Smith show, Holly Weed, there was a part where I own a dispensary.

01:53:36.000 I'm in there, right?

01:53:37.000 And I smoke weed.

01:53:38.000 And the only time I think I can spit is when I smoke weed.

01:53:41.000 So I'm smoking weed, and I just was doing these bars.

01:53:44.000 And at the end of everyone, I said, Wu-Tang.

01:53:49.000 At the end of every one, I say Wu-Tang and Kevin Smith know me.

01:53:53.000 Every time I text him, he's like, Wu-Tang forever. 0.99

01:53:56.000 Well, Dave says that shit all the time, too. 0.99

01:53:57.000 This is what I pitched to him for the Hollywood show. 1.00

01:54:01.000 Like, they know every time I write, it's like, yo, nigga, Wu-Tang forever. 0.90

01:54:04.000 What?

01:54:04.000 Wu-Tang forever.

01:54:06.000 So we had, I had pitched a scene where all I'm saying is Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang, and I'm in a dispensary, right? 0.97

01:54:12.000 And then you know how they had security cams and shit? 0.74

01:54:16.000 I'd be like, who is it? 1.00

01:54:18.000 And the motherfuckers say, it's Wu-Tang. 0.99

01:54:21.000 The actual Wu-Tang show up to the weed spot, and that's the thing I punctuate all my raps with. 1.00

01:54:26.000 Ah, shit. 0.99

01:54:26.000 You know what? 0.99

01:54:27.000 Dave did have a lot of jokes with Wu-Tang in it, right?

01:54:30.000 And I really appreciate it.

01:54:32.000 I love him.

01:54:32.000 He's a really beautiful man.

01:54:33.000 Had us on the show.

01:54:34.000 But he did one Wu-Tang joke, right? 0.98

01:54:38.000 That fucked me up, man. 0.90

01:54:41.000 What was it? 0.93

01:54:41.000 Can I talk about it real quick? 0.93

01:54:42.000 Yes, please.

01:54:43.000 So I'm watching it.

01:54:45.000 So he did the three Netflix specials.

01:54:47.000 Right.

01:54:47.000 It was the first one.

01:54:49.000 And so me and my wife, we excited.

01:54:50.000 Yo, dang, boom.

01:54:51.000 We put it on.

01:54:52.000 And we watching it.

01:54:53.000 And we dying laughing.

01:54:55.000 And then he goes into the scene where he's at a party and he had the transgender dude fall out and all that and everything.

01:55:04.000 And then he goes, you know, he don't understand how somebody do that.

01:55:09.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:55:10.000 Like, what does somebody do? 1.00

01:55:11.000 They just chop their dick off, Wu-Tang, bang! 1.00

01:55:14.000 And they just keep going. 1.00

01:55:15.000 And I was like, what the fuck was that? 0.99

01:55:19.000 Hold on, hold on, let me finish this. 0.99

01:55:21.000 No, I'm sorry.

01:55:21.000 Me and my wife both was like, we both kind of didn't say nothing like for the first three minutes.

01:55:26.000 Like, you know, I just kept watching.

01:55:28.000 He was shocked.

01:55:29.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

01:55:29.000 And then it was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:55:31.000 I said, I said, babe, what? 1.00

01:55:33.000 You get that?

01:55:34.000 I said, no, I didn't get it.

01:55:36.000 So we didn't get it, right? 0.98

01:55:40.000 Next fucking day, next fucking day, I'm somewhere at a meeting, an elevator, and boom, it hits me. 1.00

01:55:47.000 Because it stayed in my fucking mind. 1.00

01:55:49.000 Right. 1.00

01:55:49.000 I fucking started dying laughing. 1.00

01:55:51.000 It was a punctuate. 1.00

01:55:52.000 No.

01:55:53.000 No, so what was the difference with what you thought you didn't get, but what made you get it?

01:55:58.000 What made me get it was just...

01:56:00.000 I'm trying to...

01:56:01.000 Because Dave is a genius, yo.

01:56:03.000 Right. 1.00

01:56:04.000 His shit is crazy, right? 1.00

01:56:05.000 It's like a lyric. 1.00

01:56:06.000 You're going to get the rhyme when you get the rhyme, right?

01:56:08.000 Right. 1.00

01:56:08.000 So what he was saying, he said he don't understand how a man chop his dick off. 1.00

01:56:14.000 So what a man do? 1.00

01:56:15.000 A man just goes...

01:56:16.000 That's the most case?

01:56:17.000 Yeah.

01:56:18.000 The reason this is...

01:56:20.000 Tell me what you got.

01:56:21.000 I'll tell you what I got. 0.99

01:56:21.000 What I got was the most gangster phrase you could say that describes the hardest shit you could do is Wu-Tang. 0.99

01:56:32.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:56:34.000 Cut your dick off. 1.00

01:56:35.000 Take it back. 1.00

01:56:39.000 That's thief, now.

01:56:41.000 It's true! 1.00

01:56:42.000 Because one of your Wu-Tang mans did that shit. 1.00

01:56:44.000 Exactly, hold on. 1.00

01:56:44.000 They did it. 1.00

01:56:46.000 That's what it was.

01:56:47.000 Who did it?

01:56:48.000 Who did it?

01:56:48.000 Tell him.

01:56:49.000 Tell him.

01:56:50.000 There's a dude that was affiliated with us, right? 1.00

01:56:53.000 Don't say affiliated, motherfucker. 0.99

01:56:54.000 He was a Wu-Tang. 1.00

01:56:55.000 He was a Wu-Tang, say.

01:56:56.000 Hold on, listen, man.

01:56:57.000 He wasn't part of the Wu-Tang clan.

01:56:59.000 Okay, all right.

01:57:00.000 Hold on, then I gotta give you a test before we go further.

01:57:02.000 I don't want to test you.

01:57:03.000 I agree with you.

01:57:04.000 I agree with you.

01:57:05.000 From the slum to Shaolin, Wu-Tang clan strikes the game. 0.99

01:57:08.000 The RZA, the JZA. Old Dirty Bastard, Inspector Deck, Raekwon the Chef, U-Guard, Ghostface Killer, and Method Man.

01:57:19.000 Of course, and Master Killer and Cappadonna.

01:57:21.000 Method Man and Raekwon are in New York right now for the Jets-Giants game, right?

01:57:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:24.000 Okay, that makes sense.

01:57:26.000 Of course, Cappadonna and Master Killer and a lot of mathematics and sometimes even Redman and Streetlight.

01:57:32.000 Method Man is following me.

01:57:33.000 But check it out.

01:57:34.000 But this, so we had other groups we signed.

01:57:37.000 North Star.

01:57:37.000 I actually signed North Star.

01:57:39.000 I signed the Black Knights. 1.00

01:57:40.000 Both West Coast groups, actually.

01:57:42.000 Some from Long Beach, some from Compton.

01:57:45.000 You know, made a lot of songs with them.

01:57:48.000 Talented Young Brothers.

01:57:49.000 So one of the members of the North Star zoned out.

01:57:54.000 He zoned out on some crazy...

01:57:56.000 Zoned out.

01:57:56.000 One of them drugs you talking about, Joe.

01:57:57.000 Zoned out.

01:57:59.000 And what do they call it when you do it?

01:58:01.000 I don't...

01:58:02.000 What do they call it?

01:58:06.000 Yeah.

01:58:06.000 There's a word for it, though.

01:58:08.000 What's the word when you do it?

01:58:10.000 Castrate yourself.

01:58:12.000 I had to get the word, brother. 0.99

01:58:14.000 So he castrates himself, right?

01:58:17.000 So now, that's the punchline of his joke.

01:58:21.000 The punchline is like, because this dude, for no reason...

01:58:25.000 It was a callback, yeah.

01:58:26.000 So you got it in an elevator?

01:58:29.000 Yeah, I'm just walking on this elevator. 1.00

01:58:31.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:58:36.000 It's a delay! 1.00

01:58:37.000 I'm serious.

01:58:38.000 It's a delay joke.

01:58:39.000 It's a long fuse.

01:58:40.000 That's a genius joke when he hits you like 24 hours later, son.

01:58:42.000 Oh my God, that bit has a long fuse.

01:58:45.000 Yeah.

01:58:46.000 But Dave does got those kind of jokes.

01:58:48.000 Oh man, I remember when we were on the road when that actually was the news.

01:58:52.000 Right.

01:58:53.000 And he was like, Wu-Tang punctuated so much in anything, whatever you do.

01:58:58.000 For fun anyway.

01:58:59.000 For anything, Wu-Tang forever. 1.00

01:59:01.000 So when a member, Or at least an affiliated member of the Wu-Tang cuts off his dick. 0.99

01:59:07.000 And then he doesn't think he says Wu-Tang. 0.99

01:59:09.000 He could have been like a nephew, a Wu-Fu. 0.96

01:59:11.000 Did he glue that on?

01:59:12.000 He could have been a Wu-Nephew or whatever. 0.97

01:59:13.000 You know what's so crazy about that incident?

01:59:15.000 First of all, that incident was very hurtful.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, hell yeah it was hurtful.

01:59:21.000 I'm quite sure it's hurtful to him, but it was hurtful in a sense like when it happened, I was doing a TV show called Gang Mulated, right?

01:59:29.000 And so, you know, like I would go like, say it happened on the night it happened, the next night is a cast where the whole cast get together. 0.99

01:59:36.000 And this shit is the news. 0.99

01:59:37.000 This is like on every network, every TMZ. This is like, oh shit. 1.00

01:59:40.000 And I'll come in the room and everybody's like, What the fuck happened? 1.00

01:59:44.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:59:45.000 Yeah, but I'm telling you, the thing about it is I don't know what you need to do to represent your gangster, but cutting your dick off is the most go-hard shit a motherfucker could do. 1.00

01:59:54.000 It's hard, right? 1.00

01:59:55.000 That's like next level.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, it's next level. 0.98

01:59:57.000 Now, homie, so I had a buddy with me at the time, Paul Banks from Interpol, and we was working on the album, and so he saw me, he's like, damn, Bobby, you look kind of fucking depressed. 0.99

02:00:06.000 I said, yo, man, Like, I don't like the way this shit sound, man. 0.97

02:00:10.000 It's like, you know what I mean? 0.99

02:00:11.000 It's like, the press, it feels, it don't feel right. 0.99

02:00:14.000 I said, first of all, I don't think I found in the history of me, of my study, I never heard of a man chopping his own shit off. 1.00

02:00:21.000 This shit is biblical. 0.99

02:00:22.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:00:23.000 So, I'm already, even though some people may have done it, this shit is biblical. 1.00

02:00:31.000 Do it to yourself, right? 1.00

02:00:34.000 And what he said to me, what he said, he's like, listen, He probably was really fucked up. 1.00

02:00:38.000 Probably! 0.99

02:00:40.000 Check it out.

02:00:41.000 Probably?

02:00:43.000 He said he was probably... 0.96

02:00:44.000 Yeah, nah, nigga. 1.00

02:00:46.000 He was fucked up. 1.00

02:00:47.000 He said he was probably really fucked up. 1.00

02:00:50.000 I said, yeah. 0.99

02:00:50.000 I said, but then, you know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:00:51.000 Then they say he jumped out the window out of a two-story...

02:00:55.000 He jumped over the balcony of a two-story apartment building, but didn't die.

02:01:01.000 They said he jumped and kept moving.

02:01:05.000 Yeah, after.

02:01:06.000 No, not...

02:01:06.000 So no disrespect to him, but...

02:01:08.000 Cut your dick off jumping over and then hit full stride when it hit down. 1.00

02:01:12.000 No, no. 1.00

02:01:12.000 So my man Paul said this. 1.00

02:01:14.000 He said, I think he was sober when he jumped.

02:01:20.000 How can you get that high?

02:01:22.000 Check it out.

02:01:22.000 He said, I think he was sober when he jumped.

02:01:26.000 And he went on to give me this whole story about one of his friends that had a problem.

02:01:31.000 Because he had to console me.

02:01:32.000 Right now I'm kind of puzzled, so he's trying to console me.

02:01:35.000 And he told me, I said, yeah, but he didn't die.

02:01:38.000 He said, yeah, he didn't die.

02:01:40.000 Because he wasn't going to die.

02:01:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:43.000 So it gave me a little metaphor in my head. 1.00

02:01:45.000 So he said, I had a friend who used to drink and shit. 0.99

02:01:49.000 And one night, he had a problem with it. 0.99

02:01:51.000 One night, he was in a hotel. 0.99

02:01:53.000 And he laid on the fucking balcony of a window, right? 1.00

02:01:57.000 And everybody said, yo, get the fuck off that. 1.00

02:02:00.000 And the window's open. 0.99

02:02:01.000 He said, if he fall this way, he's going down 10 stories.

02:02:04.000 But if he go this way, he's just hit the floor.

02:02:05.000 He's in the room.

02:02:06.000 And that's the whole thing.

02:02:08.000 He said that...

02:02:11.000 He went this way.

02:02:13.000 He went down 10 stories?

02:02:15.000 10 stories.

02:02:16.000 He's gone.

02:02:17.000 But during the fall, he sobered up.

02:02:20.000 But when he hit the ground, he didn't die.

02:02:23.000 He became quadriplegic. 1.00

02:02:26.000 The dick cut off, motherfucker? 1.00

02:02:27.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

02:02:28.000 This is the alcohol dude that fell down.

02:02:31.000 Point being made is that you ain't going to go until it's time to go.

02:02:34.000 Right, 100%.

02:02:35.000 So you think you're killing yourself, it ain't happening. 1.00

02:02:38.000 But if you cut your dick off and you survived that, that's the time to go. 1.00

02:02:41.000 Hold on, hold on. 1.00

02:02:42.000 So the idea is, was he sober when he jumped?

02:02:46.000 And I had the chance to speak to him.

02:02:48.000 I sent him a Quran.

02:02:50.000 I was like, I think you might have to get into some studies, brother.

02:02:55.000 So anyway, I sent him the Quran. 0.90

02:02:58.000 Can't nobody hold you down off of that.

02:02:59.000 And then I said, let me ask you a question.

02:03:03.000 And the question was, when you jumped, he said, yeah.

02:03:08.000 He's like, for that moment, everything else was whatever it was.

02:03:12.000 And you could read his story, and he says what happened in the story.

02:03:16.000 But when he jumped, that was the moment of sobriety.

02:03:19.000 And for me, that was like, now that's the... 1.00

02:03:22.000 When he jumped, when he cut his dick off, that wasn't the moment of sobriety? 1.00

02:03:25.000 It's after. 1.00

02:03:27.000 Okay.

02:03:28.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:03:28.000 You ever do some shit? 1.00

02:03:29.000 You ever been fucked up? 1.00

02:03:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:03:30.000 And you do some shit and uh-oh. 1.00

02:03:33.000 Like, I had a really bad sexual thing. 1.00

02:03:37.000 It was one of those sex nights. 0.89

02:03:39.000 You know, I was covered up.

02:03:42.000 I kind of had like a blanket over me. 0.99

02:03:44.000 And we was going to room-to-room fucking girls. 0.99

02:03:46.000 It was one of them bad... 1.00

02:03:49.000 Sex, drug in your system. 1.00

02:03:51.000 I'm fucking everybody tonight. 1.00

02:03:53.000 I know what you're talking about. 0.99

02:03:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:03:57.000 I know what you're talking about.

02:03:58.000 I know what you're talking about.

02:04:00.000 And you're just going room to room, room to room, room. 1.00

02:04:02.000 You don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:04:03.000 Condom, no condom, motherfucker. 1.00

02:04:04.000 I'm going hard body. 1.00

02:04:06.000 Against the grain.

02:04:07.000 But then there's that moment. 1.00

02:04:09.000 Like, oh shit, I fucked up. 1.00

02:04:11.000 Right. 1.00

02:04:11.000 I knew I fucked up. 1.00

02:04:13.000 Right. 0.99

02:04:13.000 And you get sober for about 30 seconds. 0.99

02:04:18.000 And then the high kick back in, you go knock on the door. 1.00

02:04:21.000 You're like, yo, yo, yo, I'm alright, the dick back, the dick is back, the dick is back. 0.99

02:04:24.000 You're like, I don't know where those loads went. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Anyway.

02:04:28.000 Yeah.

02:04:28.000 Anyway, that's it.

02:04:30.000 But Wu-Tang, bang! 1.00

02:04:32.000 But didn't he glue his dick back on? 1.00

02:04:34.000 He stitched it back on, right? 1.00

02:04:35.000 Did he?

02:04:36.000 Jamie?

02:04:36.000 He fixed it?

02:04:37.000 It's all good?

02:04:38.000 Bro.

02:04:38.000 Is that true?

02:04:39.000 Yeah.

02:04:40.000 I stopped following the story after that.

02:04:43.000 Yeah, that was after...

02:04:44.000 I hope he's okay.

02:04:45.000 I was like, that...

02:04:46.000 That was just...

02:04:47.000 Thank God for surgeons.

02:04:48.000 Thank God for scientists.

02:04:50.000 Thank God for miracle-working medicine people. 0.99

02:04:53.000 But I'm telling you, that's like forever will be the most gangsta shit you can do. 0.99

02:04:55.000 Woo-Tang! 1.00

02:04:56.000 Chop your dick off and say, Woo-Tang? 1.00

02:04:58.000 That dude, Dave Chappelle, is ridiculous. 1.00

02:05:00.000 Don't say that because people are going to film it now. 0.99

02:05:02.000 They're going to world start hoping that Dave sees it.

02:05:04.000 So I'm getting a track today.

02:05:06.000 I'm getting a track today?

02:05:08.000 Getting a track.

02:05:09.000 Email it to me right now, son!

02:05:12.000 You're about to disappear, man.

02:05:13.000 Who?

02:05:14.000 You are.

02:05:15.000 No, no, give me an email. 0.99

02:05:17.000 You guilt-tripped the shit out of people. 0.97

02:05:18.000 He didn't say nothing. 1.00

02:05:20.000 He's been here for two fucking hours. 0.99

02:05:21.000 I said who? 0.99

02:05:22.000 Poof, I'm gone.

02:05:23.000 Nah, I went there.

02:05:25.000 I went there, and you said, and the thing about it was...

02:05:26.000 Donald guilted me into producing his show.

02:05:28.000 No, I didn't guilt you.

02:05:29.000 I asked you.

02:05:29.000 He guilted Jamie into being the technical advisor.

02:05:33.000 That's not what I said.

02:05:34.000 He guilted you into the music, and then he tried to pretend like you were trying to run out of here. 1.00

02:05:38.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:05:39.000 When you clearly weren't. 0.99

02:05:39.000 No, that's not what I said. 0.99

02:05:40.000 What I said was like, I'm sick of you talking shit to me. 1.00

02:05:44.000 Here it is. 0.98

02:05:45.000 I said, could you just produce the first episode?

02:05:48.000 100%.

02:05:48.000 And get off the track.

02:05:49.000 And Jamie wasn't fucked with me at all. 0.98

02:05:51.000 He didn't know what to do. 0.98

02:05:53.000 No, he knew what to do.

02:05:54.000 It's hard. 0.97

02:05:54.000 He knew to get me the fuck out of here. 0.97

02:05:56.000 He produces five shows a week. 0.70

02:05:58.000 I knew I had another show to do right now.

02:06:00.000 Exactly.

02:06:00.000 I didn't know he needed me to do it.

02:06:01.000 And I didn't know I was going to be here.

02:06:02.000 He does five shows a week.

02:06:03.000 Wow.

02:06:04.000 Listen, with that said...

02:06:06.000 Sometimes more.

02:06:07.000 Joe, with that said...

02:06:08.000 Yes.

02:06:09.000 I wasn't demanding...

02:06:11.000 The only thing I was doing was being cooperative.

02:06:14.000 In all honesty, I'm happy.

02:06:16.000 More than happy.

02:06:18.000 I'm ecstatic to help you.

02:06:21.000 I'm ecstatic to help you.

02:06:23.000 I don't care.

02:06:24.000 I'm happy.

02:06:24.000 I'm glad.

02:06:25.000 I just want you to do it.

02:06:26.000 Now that you're doing it, I'll do whatever.

02:06:29.000 And look at the inspiration.

02:06:30.000 And we started this.

02:06:33.000 Write your email on here.

02:06:35.000 Yeah, I'm old school.

02:06:37.000 You gotta send it to me, man.

02:06:40.000 And I'll send you a track.

02:06:41.000 I'll send you two.

02:06:42.000 Look at that.

02:06:43.000 Look at that.

02:06:43.000 Two!

02:06:44.000 One would be, like, maybe kind of hip-hoppy, and one would be like...

02:06:47.000 Listen, don't even go with it.

02:06:49.000 Listen, the funny thing about...

02:06:51.000 We came with the idea of doing it in the car.

02:06:53.000 You know how I drive around?

02:06:54.000 I listen to classical music.

02:06:56.000 So, one would be classical?

02:06:56.000 What kind?

02:06:58.000 Beethoven.

02:06:58.000 I don't even know.

02:06:59.000 I got on some classical station.

02:07:01.000 Like, serious?

02:07:02.000 I don't know what it is.

02:07:03.000 They'd be like this, and that was the works from NB Minors. 1.00

02:07:07.000 And so, I know that shit make my brain feel relaxed like a motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:11.000 You know? 1.00

02:07:11.000 That does. 1.00

02:07:12.000 It feels good.

02:07:12.000 I like listening to it while I write.

02:07:15.000 Yep.

02:07:19.000 Don't tell people. 1.00

02:07:20.000 He had to read this shit back. 0.99

02:07:22.000 Don't know, we're going to have to edit that out. 1.00

02:07:23.000 You can't tell people what your goddamn email is. 1.00

02:07:26.000 Don't say that. 1.00

02:07:27.000 He just said Gmail.

02:07:29.000 I didn't say Gmail, son.

02:07:30.000 You just said Gmail.

02:07:31.000 Well, look how he wrote it.

02:07:33.000 Yo, that's so disrespectful, man.

02:07:35.000 If you show it, if you wouldn't have said it, nobody would have knew it.

02:07:38.000 Not even me, because...

02:07:39.000 Jamie, can you beep over that?

02:07:41.000 Some numbers in there that can't be seen.

02:07:43.000 Oh.

02:07:44.000 Right?

02:07:44.000 No, you the one said it.

02:07:45.000 Oh, yeah, we're going to add some numbers.

02:07:47.000 Yeah.

02:07:48.000 Yeah, well, there's three or four. 1.00

02:07:51.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:07:52.000 Man, I'm telling you, my shit is gonna blow, son! 1.00

02:07:55.000 I'm ready, son! 1.00

02:07:57.000 Well, you can't spell the shit the way he spelled it. 0.99

02:07:59.000 I spelled it the way I spell it. 0.99

02:08:01.000 What are you talking about?

02:08:02.000 Stop, stop, stop, stop.

02:08:04.000 I got it.

02:08:04.000 Listen, people are going to get your email.

02:08:06.000 That's two N's. 1.00

02:08:06.000 I got you. 1.00

02:08:07.000 I got you.

02:08:07.000 I thought it was two V's.

02:08:09.000 Please, Don.

02:08:09.000 Man, whatever it is.

02:08:10.000 V's. 1.00

02:08:11.000 The dicks are coming to you right now. 0.99

02:08:13.000 Dudes are loading up dicks in their email browser. 1.00

02:08:16.000 Don't do that. 1.00

02:08:16.000 Sending them to you like a goddamn hurricane. 1.00

02:08:18.000 Don't do that. 1.00

02:08:19.000 A tsunami of dicks. 0.98

02:08:21.000 Why you can't do it right now? 0.99

02:08:23.000 Oh, because it's not in my phone, kid.

02:08:25.000 It's like I got a new phone.

02:08:26.000 Donnell, you gotta change your email.

02:08:27.000 I hate to tell you this.

02:08:28.000 He got me!

02:08:29.000 You got me!

02:08:29.000 I got a new phone on the rail.

02:08:31.000 How much can we change this?

02:08:32.000 Alright, take my number down too. 0.99

02:08:34.000 It's fucked? 0.99

02:08:35.000 Can we beep it? 1.00

02:08:36.000 We're gonna beep over your email. 0.99

02:08:38.000 Cause this is ridiculous. 0.91

02:08:39.000 What'd I do? 0.89

02:08:40.000 We're gonna cut to me during the take so that you don't see your lips moving either.

02:08:45.000 Cause the scientists, they're out there.

02:08:47.000 They will?

02:08:48.000 We're all good. 0.99

02:08:49.000 Damn, what is this? 0.99

02:08:50.000 Jamie knows what he's doing. 0.99

02:08:51.000 Yo, what did this come out of?

02:08:54.000 The plug.

02:08:54.000 I know the plug.

02:08:55.000 I don't know.

02:08:56.000 There's something underneath there.

02:08:57.000 I don't know.

02:08:58.000 There's something underneath there.

02:08:59.000 Where is it, Jimmy?

02:09:00.000 You can't hear me, but it's by his right foot.

02:09:02.000 By your right foot.

02:09:03.000 By your right foot.

02:09:03.000 On the floor.

02:09:04.000 There you go.

02:09:05.000 There you go.

02:09:06.000 Click.

02:09:06.000 We good?

02:09:07.000 Before I slip out and go catch this story before it closes, give me one serious visual question.

02:09:12.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:09:14.000 Well, tell me about the Hulu show.

02:09:15.000 I'm interested in the Hulu show.

02:09:17.000 Okay.

02:09:18.000 Cool.

02:09:18.000 I'm going to do that.

02:09:20.000 This is one thing.

02:09:21.000 I'm going to give you something to edit to.

02:09:22.000 That's why I was just...

02:09:23.000 No, we're good.

02:09:24.000 He's good.

02:09:25.000 Jamie's going to beep over Donald's description of his email.

02:09:29.000 People are mad right now. 1.00

02:09:31.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:09:32.000 It was better when it was live. 1.00

02:09:33.000 I could send him a picture of my dick. 0.99

02:09:36.000 So the Hulu show was created by me, my partner Alex C., executive producer Brian Grazer. 1.00

02:09:44.000 I love Brian.

02:09:46.000 He was just here last week.

02:09:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:48.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:09:49.000 That's right.

02:09:50.000 He's an interesting guy, man.

02:09:51.000 Yeah, very, very smart.

02:09:52.000 I really like talking to him.

02:09:53.000 Yeah.

02:09:54.000 And he, well, he's an entertainment icon and genius in what he do.

02:10:00.000 And he actually read my book, The Dial of Woo.

02:10:04.000 And that led to him having an interest in making this into a TV series, you know what I mean?

02:10:12.000 And so we partnered up with Alex C., Francie Calfo.

02:10:18.000 I wrote 10 episodes of this.

02:10:19.000 We got a writer's room.

02:10:21.000 Pitted on Hulu.

02:10:23.000 It's called Wu-Tang and the American Saga.

02:10:24.000 An American Saga.

02:10:26.000 And it follows us pre-Wu-Tang days in all reality.

02:10:34.000 So you get to see some of the things that happened in our neighborhoods and some of the things that molded us to the men that we became.

02:10:41.000 And it's not only because of like, you know, we have the liberty to fictionalize some things, right?

02:10:47.000 So for instance, there could be a character, you know, you think about Eric Garner.

02:10:53.000 Right?

02:10:53.000 That's like popular within the last three to five years, right?

02:10:57.000 Maybe a little longer.

02:10:58.000 Right?

02:10:58.000 But for us, that same thing happened when we was kids in our neighborhood.

02:11:03.000 In the same neighborhood, mind you.

02:11:06.000 Of course.

02:11:07.000 Okay?

02:11:07.000 So that happened on Staten Island.

02:11:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:11:09.000 And we was able to, through the show, kind of go back and look at some of the same problems that That we have as American citizens in our communities that we're still facing today.

02:11:24.000 For instance, in episode three, one of my favorite episodes, you see a black mother addressing a funeral.

02:11:33.000 About how so many of these kids are dying from gun violence over things that's not even valuable.

02:11:41.000 Things that could be replaced, whether it's sneakers or gold chain.

02:11:44.000 But the life can't be replaced.

02:11:46.000 And she goes on to say something that...

02:11:49.000 You know, as a mother, the pain of labor, you hear how painful that is, right?

02:11:55.000 I've seen how painful it is.

02:11:56.000 So imagine the pain a woman feels when their child is killed in cold blood.

02:12:01.000 I can't even imagine that.

02:12:02.000 And she goes on to say, we never see our children as thieves, gangsters, you know, criminals.

02:12:12.000 We see them as our babies.

02:12:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:15.000 And we're turning our community into a war zone.

02:12:18.000 And we got to realize that this is our community and these are our babies.

02:12:24.000 So the show gets a chance to tap into all of that because these things happen.

02:12:29.000 We were talking about it earlier.

02:12:30.000 We were talking about the same thing.

02:12:31.000 We were talking about guns.

02:12:33.000 I was like, a black person's perspective and their views and how they look at guns is totally different from someone that grew around where the NRA was strong, that grew around where they had gun laws.

02:12:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:12:44.000 With an average black person, when you think about a gun, you think about something that could take somebody's life. 1.00

02:12:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:12:50.000 And not only that, you also think about a gun in certain cases where it took a life of somebody that was innocent.

02:12:55.000 It was somebody with an authority.

02:12:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:12:59.000 So, like, most black people, their connection with guns is totally different from just, like, hunting and I want to protect my household. 0.95

02:13:07.000 Yeah, because...

02:13:08.000 And in our show, you know, we tap into that.

02:13:10.000 But at the same time, we also tap into that feeling when the kid gets a new drum machine, right?

02:13:18.000 Without the instruction manual.

02:13:20.000 And he's gonna stay up all night and figure it out.

02:13:23.000 Try to figure it out.

02:13:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:24.000 And play on it and eventually make something.

02:13:28.000 You know, like for the case of me, that SP-1200, I made that beat for Bring the Pain, which was one of Method Man's first videos and one of his first charting songs.

02:13:39.000 And you need to think about...

02:13:41.000 Me trying to figure this thing out and figure it out and then make something...

02:13:45.000 And getting excited every time you figure it out.

02:13:47.000 And then make something that the world appreciates.

02:13:49.000 So you get that angle as well.

02:13:52.000 But then you also...

02:13:53.000 At the time, my mother was working for a man named Fat Larry.

02:13:58.000 And Fat Larry was a...

02:13:59.000 And she learned cousin.

02:14:01.000 No, he actually was an Italian guy who ran the number spots on Staten Island.

02:14:08.000 I used to go to Italian restaurants.

02:14:10.000 I can't remember. 0.94

02:14:11.000 It felt so illegal and fucked up, but it was so good. 0.99

02:14:16.000 It was like, oh shit, I ain't telling nobody I'm out here. 0.99

02:14:19.000 So we tap into that culture as well. 0.98

02:14:25.000 So anyway, it was an honor to work with Imagine TV. Brian Grazer, Ron Howard also blessed us on it as well.

02:14:33.000 And my partner, Alex C., who...

02:14:36.000 Just a good writer.

02:14:37.000 He wrote Superfly, the new Superfly.

02:14:40.000 He's just a good writer.

02:14:42.000 Our partnership led to these episodes.

02:14:44.000 It's invaluable right now. 0.97

02:14:46.000 How does it feel to be respected as a hip-hop pioneer, as someone that started some different shit? 0.91

02:14:53.000 You could rock with Wu-Tang forever, but you've still been able to be identified like you. 0.94

02:15:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:15:03.000 How does it feel to go through the hip-hop thing and then being respected in the film world, in the writing world, like you are now?

02:15:12.000 I mean, it's a blessing, of course, right?

02:15:14.000 You can say that without no jokes, no strings attached. 1.00

02:15:17.000 That wasn't no joke, just real shit, son! 1.00

02:15:18.000 No, no, no, no, I'm with you. 1.00

02:15:20.000 It's a blessing.

02:15:21.000 And the beauty of it all, for me, for the RZA, is that every step that I take and every footprint I leave, I leave it for hip-hop.

02:15:29.000 So you think about, of course, Dr. Dre is in front of me.

02:15:33.000 He's ahead of me.

02:15:35.000 And so I had his records before I had a record.

02:15:39.000 And so I watched the NWA movie and I'm like, wow, it's a movie now.

02:15:44.000 It was an album now, it's a movie.

02:15:46.000 And now, you know, how do I take it to another level?

02:15:50.000 Well, now it's not a movie, it's a TV series.

02:15:52.000 Wow.

02:15:53.000 You see?

02:15:53.000 And now somebody else in hip-hop could take a look at that and they could say, wow, what can we do now to take it to another level?

02:15:59.000 So the biggest blessing...

02:16:01.000 For me, the biggest reward is knowing that there's footprints being left by the abbot, as they call me the abbot.

02:16:10.000 But the abbot is leaving footprints on showing people in hip-hop you don't have to be crabs in the barrel or trying to say a rhyme or trying to make a beat.

02:16:20.000 I mean, you could take your art And put it in many forms because there's many outlets of art.

02:16:27.000 Even an editor is a style.

02:16:28.000 There's many outlets of hip-hop too.

02:16:29.000 Yeah.

02:16:30.000 Even a good editor, a hip-hop video editor, it's a certain style to his editing, right?

02:16:35.000 Because he has the hip-hop in him.

02:16:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:38.000 So even there's the outlet.

02:16:40.000 A lot of young people, you know, in many fields, we all sometimes strive towards the same...

02:16:47.000 Goal, not realizing how many people it takes to achieve the goal.

02:16:51.000 And through film, and with this, through film being one of the most collaborative art forms there is.

02:16:58.000 You watch a movie, you'll see, you know, hundreds of names go by.

02:17:02.000 When I did my movie, Man with the Iron Fist, I had...

02:17:04.000 Was that Tarantino?

02:17:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:07.000 Yo, you know, the weird thing about it, like...

02:17:09.000 Man, like me being on the outside and seeing your career and everything, man, that connection felt so like it made so much sense, son.

02:17:19.000 Thank you, y'all.

02:17:20.000 It made so...

02:17:21.000 It's like...

02:17:22.000 Duh! 1.00

02:17:23.000 And the Baddest Man Alive is like number two, right behind the Rage Against the Machine-Wu-Tang collaboration.

02:17:29.000 With the Black Keys. 0.89

02:17:30.000 Goddamn, that's a good song. 1.00

02:17:32.000 Goddamn! 0.99

02:17:33.000 Thank you, brother, thank you. 0.98

02:17:34.000 But point being made that 500 people was employed.

02:17:38.000 Yeah, a lot of people.

02:17:39.000 A lot of moving parts.

02:17:40.000 So think about the young people out there who's trying to figure out where did their art fit in?

02:17:45.000 Where did their talent fit in?

02:17:47.000 And I'll say to them, look, it took 500 people to make that, okay?

02:17:50.000 And you never know where your talent is going to fall.

02:17:54.000 So, like, he told you to spit 16. You ain't got to spit 16. No, no, he got to spit 16. No, no, no.

02:18:01.000 He got to spit 16. Or two.

02:18:04.000 But his talking, listen, his talking attract millions just like my spitting 16. Yo.

02:18:11.000 Man, only reason I did...

02:18:13.000 Only reason...

02:18:14.000 This is why I wanted him to spend 16. Because I knew he was going to say, where the fuck is your podcast, right? 0.98

02:18:19.000 So, yo, I was like this. 0.94

02:18:21.000 Before he gets to the podcast, I want to do the 16. Already know...

02:18:26.000 This motherfucker's voice is the voice of this whole shit. 1.00

02:18:31.000 And a motherfucker that can just sit there and talk to somebody forever. 1.00

02:18:35.000 And not only just talk to somebody forever, that's after doing comedy. 1.00

02:18:38.000 I was a comedy and then I got time to talk to somebody forever and I don't have to talk about none of the shit I did last night. 1.00

02:18:44.000 That's some crazy shit. 0.99

02:18:44.000 You could do it too. 0.99

02:18:46.000 Yo, I started 44 minutes with nobody.

02:18:49.000 Yo, I got two producers.

02:18:50.000 Y'all already said it.

02:18:51.000 Three producers.

02:18:53.000 We gonna do it.

02:18:54.000 You're on the road, man.

02:18:56.000 You got no worries.

02:18:57.000 Yo, we're just gonna leave with a verse.

02:18:59.000 Check it out.

02:18:59.000 Hit me with it.

02:19:00.000 What's the logistics?

02:19:02.000 Is my egotistic personality part of my coexistence, or is it just a dangerous stranger paying me an uninvited visit, like an unwanted Christmas guest?

02:19:12.000 Or is it just a fragment of my lower self, envy, greed, and lust?

02:19:16.000 Or my higher self, goodwill, love, and trust?

02:19:19.000 Is this therapy too untherapeutic to discuss? 1.00

02:19:24.000 I was dangling in the dirt like a pair of loose shoestrings, but I was born in the USA like Bruce Springsteen, torn between the temptation of bringing the ruckus to maintaining the structure to keeping girls on my payroll that'll cut your nuts off after they fuck you before you rupture. 0.99

02:19:39.000 They try to put me in a quiet place where the words stop. 0.99

02:19:42.000 Or put me in a closed pen space, ruin life through a bird box.

02:19:46.000 But close the windows, shut the doors, scatter dirt on the floor so the sound of my footsteps are dampened and dissolved.

02:19:52.000 That's a metaphor to kill the noise.

02:19:54.000 While they walk around, we look blindfolded as they kill our boys. 0.99

02:19:58.000 And these crazy races roam with cold steel and they kill for joy. 1.00

02:20:02.000 Blood spills inside the church and outside the shopping store, inside the movie theater, school campus and church or the synagogues.

02:20:09.000 No location is omitted.

02:20:11.000 Most cases get acquitted by mental illness and no guns are prohibited.

02:20:16.000 Is it rational to think this is a national problem, therefore it's a threat to national security and the National Guard needs to solve it?

02:20:22.000 Or is it visible?

02:20:23.000 It's a problem of individuals who are not in accord with the principle of one nation under God indivisible.

02:20:31.000 Respect to my veterans.

02:20:33.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Donnell Rollins.

02:20:36.000 That's it!

02:20:37.000 That's it! 1.00

02:20:37.000 That's the way to end a fucking podcast! 1.00

02:20:41.000 An honor, sir. 0.99

02:20:42.000 Thank you.

02:20:43.000 Thank you.

02:20:44.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 12, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1382 - RZA & Donnell Rawlings

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