The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1387 - Josh Homme

00:00:00.000 Boom.

00:00:03.000 Did you roll in on a motorcycle?

00:00:04.000 I did. 1.00

00:00:05.000 You're a fucking animal. 1.00

00:00:06.000 In this day and age? 1.00

00:00:08.000 In LA traffic?

00:00:09.000 But there's a bit of a zen thing happening because if you don't pay attention you could die, you know?

00:00:17.000 Oh, right.

00:00:17.000 And I find myself...

00:00:20.000 Trying to have this field of view.

00:00:22.000 And plus, you can't be on the phone.

00:00:24.000 Right.

00:00:25.000 Because I think sometimes when you drive a car, you forget to take the moment to do nothing.

00:00:30.000 Right.

00:00:30.000 And just sort of be for a second.

00:00:32.000 Yeah.

00:00:32.000 And you can listen to tunes and it makes all the songs better.

00:00:36.000 Like, I don't know if I fully appreciated Judas Priest until I rode a motorcycle and could listen to music.

00:00:42.000 Yeah.

00:00:43.000 So you listen, like, in your head?

00:00:45.000 Like, you have it in your...

00:00:46.000 No, that one has a...

00:00:47.000 I have the luxury of having a couple of them, but that one's almost like the grandpa bike for going to the movies.

00:00:52.000 But is it in speakers or is it in the helmet?

00:00:54.000 It's speakers.

00:00:55.000 I don't do the helmet because there's so much of that in my life anyways, like point-blank range.

00:00:59.000 Right, right, right.

00:00:59.000 Yeah.

00:01:00.000 And so it's almost like you kind of end up rocking your head like that, and you're like, breaking the law.

00:01:07.000 It sort of, like, flips your Beavis switch.

00:01:10.000 LAUGHTER And it feels wonderful, like, the wind in your hair.

00:01:18.000 Yeah.

00:01:18.000 And getting here took, well, I don't know where you came from, but I beat you here, and I left after you did.

00:01:25.000 Where'd you drive from?

00:01:27.000 I was sort of over by Runyon Canyon.

00:01:30.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:31.000 Yeah, if you live in, like, Orange County, I get it. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Because that's really, like, the only way you're going to get here and not lose your fucking mind. 0.98

00:01:38.000 Well, something that's 21 miles away is 25 minutes away. 0.99

00:01:43.000 Legitimately.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit of like, should I go stop here?

00:01:47.000 And also, you're always going to the front of traffic, which really is the safest place to be at the very front.

00:01:53.000 Sure, yes.

00:01:53.000 Just with everyone on each butt cheek, sort of, you know.

00:01:56.000 The thing that freaks me out, though, is the lane splitting.

00:01:59.000 Like, some people are just not paying attention, and some people are just trying to go fast.

00:02:05.000 Some people work out their kinky anger on you. 0.97

00:02:09.000 Oh, on the bike, you mean?

00:02:10.000 Or the car?

00:02:10.000 Yeah, like someone's like, no way.

00:02:12.000 If I'm stuck in this, you're stuck in this. 0.99

00:02:14.000 That is fucking weird, man. 0.98

00:02:16.000 That thing's weird. 0.99

00:02:17.000 That kind of anger against motorcycles, like that they can get ahead and you can't?

00:02:23.000 It's beyond motorcycles, you know?

00:02:25.000 It's that angriness of like, they're...

00:02:29.000 Their emotional bank accounts are low in that moment, and they're like, how about you?

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:34.000 You can have that, too. 0.99

00:02:35.000 It's like sharing the wrong shit, I think. 0.99

00:02:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:02:38.000 I think it's people that don't feel like there's a way out of the life they're in, too. 0.98

00:02:41.000 There's no light at the end of the tunnel.

00:02:44.000 Yeah, the Missouri Loves Company, where it's just like, welcome to the Missouri Loves Company.

00:02:49.000 Sit down.

00:02:50.000 And it just, like, it's just, I don't know.

00:02:54.000 So much has been happening for me lately, and I just...

00:02:58.000 You have those things when they click and then you can't unknow them once you've learned something.

00:03:03.000 And it's like, I see how that is just really attempting to elevate your own situation by bringing someone down, which is impossible.

00:03:12.000 And so in that moment, that's almost them doing the best they can.

00:03:16.000 I know they're trying to kill you.

00:03:18.000 But they're trying to cope with something that's just maybe the wrong way.

00:03:23.000 It's definitely the wrong way.

00:03:24.000 That's one of the weird things about being a kid, right?

00:03:26.000 Nobody really tells you how to think.

00:03:29.000 Nobody really teaches you how to approach situations in life and what's going to help you and what's not going to help you at all.

00:03:34.000 No, but you learn some funky stuff instead.

00:03:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:38.000 And even when you're learning the history of someone, it seems like they don't tell you How they've wrestled with that emotion to do the right thing or find a way to just accept something.

00:03:53.000 How did they get to accept that this was their decision that they had to make?

00:03:58.000 I don't know.

00:03:59.000 There's not many guideposts for how to...

00:04:04.000 Treat yourself and other people.

00:04:06.000 But there's all sorts of math and stuff like that.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, but even history, right?

00:04:10.000 There's a lot of facts.

00:04:11.000 This happened then, that happened, this is the date that this took place.

00:04:14.000 But the actual accounts from the human beings, and even if you read it, it's like, I want to see the person say it.

00:04:22.000 That's the Ken Burns version of all that.

00:04:24.000 There's one guy in the Ken Burns Civil War one who's kind of like...

00:04:29.000 Was probably alive then, too.

00:04:31.000 Like, just it seems like he's so passionate about it, and he's such a good storyteller.

00:04:37.000 And so he's adding the emotions of, like, you know, when Robert E. Lee was – or, I'm sorry, the union guy.

00:04:49.000 Ulysses Grant?

00:04:49.000 Grant.

00:04:50.000 Grant.

00:04:50.000 Had a drinking problem, but then was like, ugh.

00:04:52.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 And you probably have it from PTSD, you know?

00:04:56.000 And he's just telling that story with such kind of emotional depth that was cool.

00:05:01.000 It's nice to watch that instead of read it sometimes.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, I don't think any of us are ever going to be able to truly understand what it was like to live without television, without radio, without cell phones, and war.

00:05:13.000 Like, what?

00:05:15.000 And then war inside the same continent with other people that are supposed to be just like you, that speak the same language.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, that you run the risk of going, hey Gary.

00:05:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:05:26.000 Right, especially if you live in like fucking Virginia or somewhere on the border. 0.97

00:05:29.000 You could know the person who's facing you. 0.98

00:05:32.000 Sure.

00:05:32.000 And be like, best of luck to you, Gary.

00:05:35.000 Yeah.

00:05:35.000 I hope I do and don't get you.

00:05:37.000 I don't know what to think.

00:05:38.000 I was reading this article, too, about how many murders took place after the war was settled.

00:05:43.000 Where people were like, hey, we're not done, bro. 1.00

00:05:46.000 You killed my whole fucking family. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Yeah, they're like, cool, Lincoln, we're good. 1.00

00:05:50.000 We're not good. 0.97

00:05:51.000 Let me hang on for a little bit and start assassinating people. 0.89

00:05:54.000 But after what would seem like a lifetime of that sort of witnessing that and doing that...

00:06:01.000 And watching things that you recognize as injustice, the idea of someone getting stuck in the blame and as a vendetta in that, I can see that.

00:06:14.000 But you see how that's really...

00:06:15.000 It's probably why we're still having problems now.

00:06:19.000 There's definitely some part of it, right?

00:06:21.000 Yeah, it's like...

00:06:22.000 My great, great, great, great told me, you know, when people are sort of like dipped in that Kool-Aid of because my great, great, great, great, great felt this way, I'm supposed to too because we're related, so.

00:06:35.000 Dude, I'm almost done with this book.

00:06:37.000 I'm listening to this audio book, Empire of the Summer Moon. 0.99

00:06:40.000 It is fucking insane. 0.98

00:06:42.000 It's all about the war. 0.99

00:06:43.000 Who's it by?

00:06:45.000 I'll tell you the guy's name.

00:06:46.000 Jamie and pull it up.

00:06:47.000 Gary. 1.00

00:06:48.000 Fucking Gary. 1.00

00:06:49.000 He's fucking Gary. 1.00

00:06:50.000 Best of luck, Gary. 0.99

00:06:52.000 S.C. Gwyn.

00:06:54.000 G-W-Y-N-N-E. Empire of the Summer Moon.

00:06:58.000 It's all about the war with the Plains tribes.

00:07:01.000 The Plains Indians versus the settlers. 1.00

00:07:04.000 It's fucking insane, man. 1.00

00:07:07.000 It's insane. 1.00

00:07:08.000 It's like...

00:07:10.000 Everyone knows that there was European settlers and they had conflict with Indians and there was a lot of things that happened.

00:07:16.000 But until you read like the accounts of all the different battles and all the things that happened and all the slaughters and all the chaos and And the children, and the messages sent by more violent...

00:07:29.000 Oh, dude.

00:07:30.000 And you think you're sending one message, but you're really giving the wrong one.

00:07:34.000 Yeah.

00:07:35.000 I can't imagine, and it's so far away for maybe you and I, that reading that is like...

00:07:43.000 When you don't think about it, it's sort of like, it's just an app I don't use or something in this day and age.

00:07:48.000 See if they have a photo of Cynthia Ann Parker.

00:07:51.000 There's a couple photos of this woman who was kidnapped by the Comanches when she was nine.

00:07:59.000 Everyone in her family was brutally murdered.

00:08:01.000 There was a raid on her town, but they kidnapped her and she became a part of the Comanches. 0.99

00:08:07.000 Okay.

00:08:23.000 Oh, the Comanche finally lost, and that's what she was kind of forced to do, is be re-kidnapped? 0.60

00:08:28.000 See, that's a famous photo of her, the one that you just had, Jamie, on the left-hand side, because she's breastfeeding, and she has a bare breast, and she's doing this, and they used it for some sort of newspaper story.

00:08:40.000 And they never did that with a regular white woman. 1.00

00:08:45.000 They did it with her because they wanted to show that even though this woman was raised until she was nine years old by white people, she became a savage. 0.65

00:08:55.000 And that's why they're breastfeeding her half-Indian baby. 0.99

00:08:59.000 It's so sad, man.

00:09:01.000 The story about her is so sad because she didn't want to go back.

00:09:05.000 She kept trying to escape. 0.99

00:09:07.000 Everyone does something with some intention, and I think mostly people think it's a good intention, whether that works out or not.

00:09:15.000 But what do you think the thought process was behind being Comanche, slaughtering everyone else and saying we're going to keep this gal and then kind of – Take her into the fold. 0.96

00:09:27.000 That sounds like a lovingly taken into the fold.

00:09:30.000 It was more pragmatic, apparently, according to this book.

00:09:33.000 They didn't have a high birth rate because women would miscarry a lot because they were on horses all the time. 1.00

00:09:39.000 Because they rode horses. 1.00

00:09:40.000 They were a wild fucking tribe, man. 0.99

00:09:43.000 It was really amazing reading the accounts of what their life was. 1.00

00:09:48.000 Just so rough.

00:09:49.000 But they didn't have pottery and baskets.

00:09:53.000 But they're rough.

00:09:53.000 Yeah.

00:09:54.000 I mean, they were war, like, big time.

00:09:56.000 They were all about war. 0.68

00:09:57.000 That was their whole thing.

00:09:58.000 And war with other tribes.

00:10:00.000 Yeah.

00:10:01.000 Previous to them.

00:10:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:02.000 Before the Europeans came, they were fucking everybody up. 1.00

00:10:04.000 They fucked everybody up. 1.00

00:10:05.000 The Comanches were just ruthless, man. 1.00

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:08.000 And all they did was kill buffalo and eat buffalo meat.

00:10:10.000 They were just eating meat and just riding horses and fucking people up. 0.98

00:10:14.000 Okay, that part sounded delicious. 0.99

00:10:16.000 Amazing, right?

00:10:17.000 Buffalo meat, open fire.

00:10:19.000 I mean, there's something incredibly romantic about it.

00:10:23.000 It's one of the things about Native Americans versus the Western settlers, or the people that settled, is that no one ever Like, Native Americans never wanted to join European civilization. 0.65

00:10:36.000 It was not their thing.

00:10:37.000 But Europeans did join these tribes. 0.66

00:10:42.000 Not just this Cynthia Ann Parker lady, but a bunch.

00:10:44.000 A bunch of people just made friends with the Indians, learned the language, and became a part of their culture. 1.00

00:10:48.000 And they were like, fuck you and your fucking stores and all your bullshit. 1.00

00:10:53.000 You want to have tea in the middle of the day here, dressed like that? 1.00

00:10:56.000 It's sort of like...

00:10:57.000 Settlers come in and what they're settling for is that they're going to try to make the rest of the world look like what they are. 1.00

00:11:04.000 And they won't be able to, so we'll settle for whatever we get.

00:11:07.000 And then there's these other people that are just sort of living good downstream.

00:11:13.000 It seems like the settlers are fighting upstream always.

00:11:15.000 And the Indians are just living downstream. 1.00

00:11:18.000 They're going with what's there.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, they're going with what's there.

00:11:20.000 They're becoming part of the land instead of, we should really force this thing to make it sit.

00:11:25.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:11:26.000 They were so fucking ruthless, though, man. 0.99

00:11:27.000 So ruthless. 0.99

00:11:28.000 It's crazy to read all the depictions, all the things that they did.

00:11:32.000 But there's something so insanely romantic about their life.

00:11:36.000 Like, they were talking about Cynthia Ann Parker's, when they brought her back in her 30s, they brought her back to civilization, how difficult it was for her to sort of reintegrate.

00:11:47.000 And that, like, the world of the Comanche was like a world of magic. 1.00

00:11:51.000 Like in that everything was a god.

00:11:53.000 There was wind gods and fire gods and the trees were gods.

00:11:58.000 There was like thousands of gods.

00:11:59.000 Now all of a sudden she had to believe in one god.

00:12:01.000 Or just like where you're deliberately blocking all those gods on purpose at every turn, right?

00:12:07.000 Because if you – I mean, who's to say that that like really engaging – With the gods of the wind and all that doesn't open this thing for somebody.

00:12:20.000 Because there wasn't tons of people, like you said, trying to be in the white world.

00:12:24.000 No. 0.99

00:12:26.000 But there was a shit ton of people, a metric fuck ton, trying to be Comanche and Paiute and you name it, you know? 0.98

00:12:34.000 I mean, there must be something really wonderful to it, just maybe lacking the defense to stop... 0.99

00:12:40.000 Us.

00:12:41.000 Well, it didn't work.

00:12:43.000 Their magic didn't protect them from the white settlers, but there was something about the belief in that magic.

00:12:49.000 Well, only the last group of them.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:52.000 It did everyone else before.

00:12:54.000 I mean, all things must come to an end and cycle out.

00:12:57.000 Well, what really got them was disease.

00:12:59.000 They said that disease killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the Native Americans, which is just incredible. 1.00

00:13:05.000 And that's also the Aztecs. 0.96

00:13:06.000 It's a lot of civilizations that encounter these dirty Europeans. 1.00

00:13:11.000 Have you ever been to Teotihuacan? 0.95

00:13:14.000 No, I've never been there.

00:13:15.000 I heard it's amazing, though.

00:13:16.000 Something really interesting happened to me there.

00:13:19.000 Now, not only is this square that we went to and stand on this earth mound, and this guy whose nickname was Gorilla giving us this wonderful tour, just a spot...

00:13:31.000 The most romantic tour ever of this place for such a rough place.

00:13:35.000 And he goes, wait right here.

00:13:36.000 And we're in this giant square.

00:13:38.000 And he runs down this dirt mound about, I don't know, say 150 feet away, 200 feet away.

00:13:44.000 And he goes, can you hear me?

00:13:45.000 And it was like, oh my God.

00:13:47.000 I could hear him.

00:13:48.000 He goes, this square was built with these mounds here to be able to speak at this voice to 250,000 people.

00:13:56.000 And I was like, what?

00:13:58.000 And then we walk.

00:13:59.000 Is that right there?

00:14:00.000 Is that it up there?

00:14:01.000 Yes.

00:14:02.000 Well, okay, it's that way and then go left.

00:14:04.000 You could look this way so you don't have to look backwards.

00:14:07.000 So if we were to see that square, if we were to go straight around that pyramid and make a left, that's where those mountains are.

00:14:17.000 And the other thing is, in these, that's the same shot from a different angle.

00:14:24.000 That's near where these shaman lived.

00:14:27.000 The shaman had quarters, like an area of this place.

00:14:30.000 And there's these sort of things.

00:14:33.000 And I said, what are these?

00:14:34.000 And he said, they're reflection ponds.

00:14:36.000 I said, oh, like for like reflecting.

00:14:38.000 And he goes, no, for reflecting.

00:14:41.000 And I'd never considered that you don't look at the stars by going, eh, eh.

00:14:45.000 But that really, you look down and you mark.

00:14:48.000 So in seven years when it comes around again, you're like, oh, pattern.

00:14:52.000 Because I'm always like, how do you look up and learn a pattern of that?

00:14:55.000 Right, right, right.

00:14:56.000 But by looking down.

00:14:58.000 That's crazy.

00:14:59.000 So they had ponds just to look at the reflection of the stars and map them out.

00:15:04.000 Yeah, the shaman did.

00:15:05.000 That was like in their neighborhood.

00:15:07.000 And the way you were a shaman is if you had a birthmark on your head when you were born, they immediately were like, two boards, rope, and just put two boards and roped you and began a lifetime of like, so you're a shaman.

00:15:32.000 It's the study of what we are and that that is significant.

00:15:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:15:37.000 Because it felt to me immediately like, well, everyone can't do that.

00:15:40.000 We need, you know, you don't have a thing on your cell.

00:15:43.000 Yeah, if you don't have the birthmark.

00:15:45.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 I mean, that's a really good, like, entry, you know, at the gate.

00:15:50.000 You know, that's the case with the Dalai Lama, too.

00:15:52.000 I think they found him when he was, I want to say he was nine.

00:15:55.000 How old was the Dalai Lama when they found him?

00:15:57.000 But they just decided, oh, you're a reincarnated holy man, so you don't have to work ever again.

00:16:02.000 I know, but can you imagine being nine and you just have two toys and you're like, huh?

00:16:06.000 Yeah, like, what?

00:16:08.000 Yeah, this is how it goes.

00:16:09.000 Mom! 1.00

00:16:09.000 You don't have to work, but no pussy, ever. 1.00

00:16:11.000 Like, what? 0.99

00:16:12.000 What?

00:16:12.000 What are you talking about?

00:16:13.000 I'd be like, mom!

00:16:16.000 You don't know what you're missing yet.

00:16:18.000 Yeah, before you know.

00:16:20.000 It's just a weird choice.

00:16:22.000 And then people look to him like there's something incredibly special about him, right?

00:16:26.000 He's the Dalai Lama.

00:16:27.000 But it's not like he went through this long sort of apprenticeship period where he meditated and then became the Dalai Lama.

00:16:36.000 Or, yeah, out of 20 meditators, you're like, you were the quietest.

00:16:39.000 Yeah, you're the best, bro.

00:16:40.000 You're the way you focus.

00:16:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:41.000 No, he's fucking nine. 1.00

00:16:42.000 Hey, focus on me for a sec. 1.00

00:16:44.000 Get out of it.

00:16:44.000 How old does it say?

00:16:47.000 I think he might have been almost.

00:16:50.000 I think he was a little bit older.

00:16:51.000 Fifteen.

00:16:52.000 Really?

00:16:53.000 See, that seems like a rough one.

00:16:54.000 Yeah, I'm trying to read on it.

00:16:56.000 It says it took him four years before he actually took the power of the Dalai Lama.

00:17:00.000 Oh, so he had to have a little...

00:17:02.000 Yeah, he was so young, he kept dropping it.

00:17:04.000 And they're like...

00:17:05.000 I'm not 100%.

00:17:07.000 They're like, Gary, get over here!

00:17:08.000 Either way, he was...

00:17:10.000 Oh, do you know who else is a reincarnated holy person?

00:17:14.000 Steven Seagal.

00:17:15.000 Well, duh.

00:17:17.000 They've decided one day, oh, you must be some spiritual creature from another life.

00:17:23.000 Well, that actually sounds right.

00:17:24.000 That's a fairly good description of him.

00:17:27.000 You're a creature.

00:17:28.000 You're a physical creature from another life.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:17:32.000 In 1997, Lamar Penor Rinpoche from Palyul Monastery announced that cigar was a tolku.

00:17:43.000 And specifically, the reincarnation of Chung Drag Dorje, a 17th century turton, which is a treasure revealer.

00:17:52.000 That sounded like me reading in the fifth grade.

00:17:54.000 It seems like it, too.

00:17:56.000 Lampor Rinpoche from Pali...

00:18:00.000 How many times do you think that got him laid?

00:18:03.000 Twice.

00:18:03.000 At least three.

00:18:04.000 Well, no, he's got one in each hand, right? 0.94

00:18:06.000 LAUGHTER There's got to be someone that had sex with him because they really thought that he was a reincarnated holy man. 0.91

00:18:13.000 Maybe like someone from another country that didn't understand him. 0.85

00:18:15.000 Well, maybe it was Lama Penor Rinpoche from the Pala Monastery.

00:18:20.000 That's kind of hilarious. 0.99

00:18:21.000 The only way to pass this on to you is anal. 1.00

00:18:25.000 He tricked somebody. 1.00

00:18:28.000 That's incredible.

00:18:29.000 I wonder how many people that works as an expression for versus the amount of people that are like...

00:18:37.000 What do you want on your sandwich?

00:18:40.000 He's like, well, I'm a magical being.

00:18:42.000 And it's like, would you just order your food?

00:18:45.000 When you went to the Aztec temple, as a musician, when you're sitting there, did it make sense, the acoustics, the way it's set up, the way the sound works, does it make sense to you, how they constructed it?

00:19:00.000 It left a very lasting feeling of...

00:19:14.000 I think?

00:19:33.000 In the shape of Orion's belt, exactly.

00:19:35.000 That same concept of what's going on here matters.

00:19:39.000 And if that is your focus, think of how wonderful it can be.

00:19:44.000 How did those people know how to make that without the wheel?

00:19:50.000 That would be really hard.

00:19:53.000 That seems insane.

00:19:54.000 The Aztecs didn't have the wheel, right?

00:19:57.000 Allegedly? 0.99

00:19:58.000 Yeah, how the fuck did they do all that? 0.98

00:20:00.000 Well, at least the way they did it physically, you can kind of... 0.99

00:20:04.000 We know that they murdered 80,000 slaves in a period of just a few days after the construction of that temple.

00:20:12.000 Yeah, so that was like...

00:20:14.000 Don't tell me.

00:20:15.000 Actually, don't worry about it.

00:20:16.000 I'll take care of it.

00:20:17.000 I think they knew that they were going to be slaughtered.

00:20:20.000 I think it was kind of like part of the gig.

00:20:23.000 Maybe I might be wrong about that.

00:20:25.000 Well, with that many people, it wouldn't sound surprising that you'd have some cooperation.

00:20:33.000 I mean, it's hard to imagine 80,000 people at once going, sorry, what? 0.99

00:20:37.000 And not being like, well, fuck this, man. 0.99

00:20:39.000 That sounds like a cooperative event to me somehow. 0.99

00:20:42.000 Unless they were somehow or another locked up and they brought them out one by one.

00:20:46.000 That's an awfully big cage you've got there.

00:20:48.000 Yeah, it is.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, 80,000.

00:20:50.000 That's quite an arena.

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:52.000 Like, you'd have to build an extra one of those just to hold them.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, that's like a giant football arena filled with people.

00:20:59.000 It's that big.

00:21:00.000 Yeah.

00:21:00.000 It's that big.

00:21:01.000 And what struck me, because I play music as I thought...

00:21:10.000 Okay, that means these acoustics are so perfect.

00:21:13.000 How do you discover that?

00:21:15.000 Are you in a canyon?

00:21:16.000 And you're like, wow, this sounds...

00:21:18.000 Can you hear me over there?

00:21:19.000 And then you sort of triangulate and start doing the geometry for how that works.

00:21:26.000 And like, quick, someone invent geometry first, though, because I don't know.

00:21:30.000 I mean, how does that...

00:21:32.000 You know, manifest itself, that understanding.

00:21:35.000 Yeah, how many thousands of years did it take before they figured out how to construct something?

00:21:38.000 Yeah, where someone on their deathbed is like, wait, one last thing about acoustics. 0.99

00:21:42.000 Sound kind of bounces off shit. 0.87

00:21:44.000 It's got to be shaped like this, with the Pythagorean theorem, you know? 0.99

00:21:48.000 I've never been to any of the Aztec temples, but I went to Chichen Itza and saw some of the Mayan temples.

00:21:54.000 And it just... 0.95

00:21:55.000 Whenever you're at a place like that, that's just magical, that's so fucking old and so amazingly constructed, you just think, what the fuck was it like to live back then? 0.69

00:22:06.000 Do we have a terrible idea of what they were like? 0.87

00:22:10.000 Of course.

00:22:11.000 Yeah, we don't know.

00:22:12.000 Well, but it sort of dawned on me at some point that it was like...

00:22:15.000 Oh, you mean the people that wrote our history wrote it from the perspective of, by the way, we're way better.

00:22:22.000 Way better.

00:22:23.000 But, okay, here's the story of these other people.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, right.

00:22:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:22:26.000 Like, by some kind of dickhead winner. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

00:22:30.000 A dickhead winner with guns. 0.99

00:22:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:22:32.000 Like, before we get started, I'm better than the person I'm going to tell you about.

00:22:35.000 Yeah.

00:22:36.000 But we can't, even though we can't do what they did.

00:22:38.000 Because what is the emotion when you're in that space?

00:22:41.000 I'm trying to think of the right...

00:22:44.000 Right.

00:22:47.000 It's awe, right?

00:23:03.000 Living in a time to appreciate this.

00:23:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:07.000 It feels like knowledge expanding that I don't have, so I just feel like, oh, if I could understand a piece of that.

00:23:17.000 But just standing there is sort of understanding it.

00:23:19.000 Right.

00:23:20.000 We have such an egotistical perspective when it comes to our personal civilization that like this, with the internet and with cars and with planes and all that, this is the best way to be.

00:23:29.000 There's a word for it.

00:23:30.000 I can't.

00:23:32.000 Can you try to find such a thing?

00:23:36.000 Please?

00:23:37.000 What is the word?

00:23:38.000 There's a word for – the word definition is to believe that the era you're in is the finest of them all up to this point.

00:23:47.000 Yeah, I've heard that word.

00:23:49.000 I know what you're saying. 0.99

00:23:50.000 It's some kind of dickhead syndrome. 0.98

00:23:52.000 Right. 0.97

00:23:54.000 Exactly!

00:23:55.000 It certainly was created by a man. 1.00

00:23:57.000 Some guy was like, dude, fuck this shit. 1.00

00:23:58.000 Yeah, I don't think it was a girl. 1.00

00:23:59.000 If it was, she was like one of them alt-right female chicks. 0.96

00:24:03.000 But don't you wish that there was like a supportive mother that was like, yeah, sure, honey, you're the best.

00:24:08.000 This is the best.

00:24:09.000 You're number one.

00:24:11.000 Don't worry about the payments.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, don't worry about him, guys.

00:24:14.000 He's fine.

00:24:14.000 You're the best.

00:24:16.000 Yeah, it's like the same thing with the Native Americans and the settlers, that the settlers were imposing their lifestyle, but the people that experienced the Native American lifestyle, they wanted to stay living like that. 0.83

00:24:26.000 For sure.

00:24:27.000 Well, I think because it omitted so many of the things that the European culture was bringing.

00:24:32.000 Yes.

00:24:33.000 And it seems like a distinct possibility that the European perspective – Like when Pizarro and all that, you know, was it 12 of them conquistadors killed like a thousand natives in a matter of hours?

00:24:50.000 When, you know, when they land, they're looking for gold everywhere.

00:24:53.000 And at first, they have this belief that something big will come across the water and be their god. 1.00

00:25:00.000 And here comes a ship with a bunch of dirty assholes. 1.00

00:25:03.000 That literally factually dirty assholes have ridden across a boat. 1.00

00:25:07.000 And, you know, I think about that perspective where they obviously were like, these people are nice, but I've had enough of this. 0.99

00:25:17.000 They should have invented ships. 0.92

00:25:18.000 We're better. 1.00

00:25:18.000 So let's kill everyone here. 1.00

00:25:20.000 Yeah, well, Cortez and Montezuma, right? 0.99

00:25:22.000 That's what I mean, Cortez.

00:25:23.000 Yeah, Cortez, that's who it is.

00:25:25.000 Yeah.

00:25:26.000 They didn't know what was going on, because I don't think that, previous to that time, they'd ever seen anyone on a horse before. 0.96

00:25:31.000 No, and come across, you imagine a big boat and then a few horses, where they're like, what the fuck is... 0.98

00:25:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:25:37.000 Uh, Gary, come over and look at this. 0.98

00:25:40.000 It's just, it's impossible to fathom.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, a man riding a beast. 0.99

00:25:43.000 They're probably like, what in the fuck is... 1.00

00:25:45.000 With, like, rusty armor from being on a fucking boat for months. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:50.000 Looking like shit, being desperately... 0.98

00:25:54.000 I imagine their relief when they come off on these horses with this armor and all this stuff, and they're like, they're cool. 0.99

00:26:03.000 This is going to be easy.

00:26:04.000 At first, they must have thought, maybe we could do this with some goodwill.

00:26:09.000 But quickly, it's like...

00:26:12.000 You guys are too primitive.

00:26:13.000 We're just going to take over here. 0.99

00:26:14.000 I doubt they even thought they were going to do it with goodwill.

00:26:17.000 I don't think there was any goodwill back then.

00:26:18.000 I think people were just murdering people.

00:26:20.000 You think that there's perhaps...

00:26:24.000 That more people took more lives, in a way?

00:26:27.000 Like, per capita or something?

00:26:29.000 I think that it was a more brutal way of taking lives.

00:26:32.000 I'm sure people take more lives today in war, but I think back then it was just, it was hands-on.

00:26:38.000 Right, but it seems like more percentage of the people that are alive had an opportunity or the possibility to kill someone than today.

00:26:48.000 Two.

00:26:48.000 So it's like, if you are with 150 people, all of which have killed at least three people, that's an interesting group.

00:26:56.000 And then you land on a boat. 0.93

00:26:58.000 You've been there for months, and you're like, maybe you are like, we gotta kill somebody and rape something and take something as quick as possible. 0.99

00:27:04.000 And you have no idea what the fuck they're saying, because you can't speak their language, so it's easy to just... 0.99

00:27:08.000 And they're being nice. 0.99

00:27:09.000 So you're like, they're gonna fuck these people up in five, four, three... 0.98

00:27:14.000 Like that silent count off of them. 0.99

00:27:17.000 It's bizarre.

00:27:18.000 Well, that's the history of mankind is men showing up in boats and killing everybody that they met. 0.90

00:27:25.000 And then kind of doing their own version of a selfie on the dead body.

00:27:28.000 Yeah.

00:27:29.000 Right.

00:27:29.000 Getting paintings.

00:27:31.000 Yeah.

00:27:32.000 Draw me.

00:27:33.000 I would imagine what it would be like if you could be a fly on the wall when Montezuma met Cortez just to be there and see what that was like when these people who had never encountered Spaniards before and these guys show up in these boats with two absolutely different beliefs and perspectives of what's about to go down.

00:27:53.000 What's crazy is that is why Mexico speaks Spanish. 0.83

00:27:57.000 I mean, people don't get that in their head.

00:28:00.000 Like, oh, Mexicans speak Spanish. 0.79

00:28:01.000 It's why all of South America, except for Brazil, Brazil is Portuguese. 1.00

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:07.000 I mean, we don't get that in our head.

00:28:08.000 Like, Mexico speaks Spanish.

00:28:12.000 And has horses. 0.99

00:28:13.000 Yeah, Spain's way the fuck over there. 0.99

00:28:15.000 How is, what? 0.97

00:28:16.000 Where they speak Spanish.

00:28:17.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:28:18.000 Like, it makes no fucking sense, but then you realize, like, oh my god, they were conquered by the Spaniards. 0.97

00:28:25.000 Whoa! 0.96

00:28:26.000 Yeah, and a long, long time ago. 0.99

00:28:28.000 Long fucking time ago. 0.96

00:28:30.000 Because of having my music teacher as a young boy drill the song. 0.98

00:28:37.000 In 1492, from Spain through wind and storm and gate, the Nina, the Pinta, the Santa.

00:28:44.000 1492. 1492. 1492, which, by my watch, is a long time ago.

00:28:49.000 It is, but it's not.

00:28:51.000 I had a joke in my act about the United States being founded in 1776. People live to be 100. That's three people ago.

00:29:01.000 That's real, though. 0.99

00:29:02.000 I know, it sounds fucked up when you hear it. 0.98

00:29:04.000 Very funny. 0.98

00:29:05.000 When you hear it, it sounds like, is he right?

00:29:07.000 That's not right.

00:29:08.000 Well, what's funny is that's totally true.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, it is right.

00:29:11.000 I mean, that's...

00:29:11.000 We just got here.

00:29:13.000 Yeah.

00:29:13.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:29:15.000 The thing is, anything that happens before you were born seems like a million years ago.

00:29:18.000 Of course, but also 1776 seems like yesterday to me.

00:29:22.000 I wasn't alive, and I'm ready to admit that, but that seems like, oh, that is just very close, I'm sure. 0.95

00:29:28.000 Fucking super recent. 0.94

00:29:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:29.000 I mean... 0.99

00:29:30.000 Do you think it's possible that a new nation gets started?

00:29:33.000 Is it too late?

00:29:35.000 Because the reason why the United States got started is because everybody hated how suppressive European civilization was.

00:29:40.000 So they're like, wait till you see how we do it.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, we're going to fix this.

00:29:43.000 Come over here.

00:29:44.000 In some ways we have, right?

00:29:46.000 It's better in some ways than it used to be.

00:29:48.000 In some ways we did.

00:29:49.000 More freedom.

00:29:50.000 In some ways we did not.

00:29:51.000 In some ways we didn't.

00:29:52.000 It's like what humans do.

00:29:54.000 No one ever nails anything.

00:29:55.000 It's just everything's messy.

00:29:57.000 It's always complicated, especially more people.

00:30:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:00.000 Because anyone that's been to a family reunion has said, oh, fucking Gary, really? 0.99

00:30:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:08.000 You know?

00:30:08.000 Well, then also, like, the different environments that people live in sort of dictate their personality.

00:30:14.000 Like, you're a desert guy, right?

00:30:15.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 You're from the desert.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 What is that?

00:30:18.000 Scorpion.

00:30:19.000 I'm one of the few people I know that's been bit by one.

00:30:21.000 Have you really?

00:30:22.000 Yeah, and as I... I was going up to Joshua Tree to this studio that's really just a house.

00:30:30.000 Was that the one that you guys showed in the thing you did with Bourdain?

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:36.000 Rancho de la Luna.

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 But it's magic is what's missing.

00:30:42.000 And I mean everywhere.

00:30:44.000 And all that's left is like, what if you just...

00:30:48.000 When the tide receded, it was just the idiosyncratic...

00:30:52.000 And the previously thrown away, like all in Reborn, you know, it's just got that sort of feeling to it, right?

00:31:00.000 And so I was driving up there, and I know, I'm a desert boy, I know that you're not supposed to, at night times when everything comes out.

00:31:10.000 Because in the day, everyone is like, ugh, really?

00:31:14.000 I mean, everything that walks or crawls is like, phew.

00:31:17.000 And so at night, everyone, everything that walks or crawls goes, all right, let's go.

00:31:22.000 Right.

00:31:22.000 And so you wear shoes.

00:31:25.000 If you do not wear shoes, you have made a mistake, for sure.

00:31:30.000 And as soon as we pull up to the rancho in the dirt parking lot, I open up the door, and I'm on the passenger side, and I step out, and I go in to reach for a 12-pack of beer, and something hit me on the foot, and I was like...

00:31:46.000 And I lift my foot, and there's this black... 1.00

00:31:50.000 Dark brownish, like a root-beery brown scorpion hanging from my foot, going, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!

00:31:57.000 And I was like, I think it was like...

00:32:03.000 Like a really butch gal who's been terrified for the first time. 1.00

00:32:09.000 And I slapped it. 0.96

00:32:11.000 And I slapped it off my foot because that's my knee-jerk reaction.

00:32:15.000 And as I did that, that's when I screamed and jumped like a mouse or something in the car.

00:32:23.000 And in the door light of this...

00:32:27.000 And the door light, this scorpion hit the ground, like, shuffled itself, turned and came right at me.

00:32:33.000 Whoa! 1.00

00:32:34.000 And was sort of like, fuck you, wait till you... 1.00

00:32:37.000 It scared me to death. 1.00

00:32:40.000 It came back at you? 1.00

00:32:41.000 You imagine being that little, wanting to fuck up something as big as you? 0.99

00:32:44.000 Well, you'd have to, right? 0.99

00:32:45.000 You'd have...

00:32:46.000 It wouldn't be...

00:32:46.000 There would be no bravado at all.

00:32:48.000 It would be like... 1.00

00:32:50.000 It would be a true believer that in that moment, I'm like, fuck this thing, and it is 100% sure that it's going to fuck me up. 0.99

00:33:02.000 And it was right, because what am I going to do? 1.00

00:33:05.000 I'm going to hit this stinger with my hands.

00:33:09.000 What was the pain like?

00:33:11.000 Well, at that time, my understanding of scorpions was in our desert, Mojave, there's two types.

00:33:17.000 And one which is like, you know, 24 hours of central nervous system shut down, so they can't even give you anything for the pain.

00:33:25.000 Because the thing that's, that regulates that gets like, turned, turned off.

00:33:30.000 And so you're just like...

00:33:32.000 For 24 hours you're in pain.

00:33:33.000 That was my knowledge at that time.

00:33:35.000 And the other one is akin to a bee sting.

00:33:37.000 Which one did you get?

00:33:39.000 Well, I had to track back.

00:33:41.000 This was before the internet.

00:33:42.000 And so I go inside.

00:33:44.000 And the remedy at that time, as Fred Drake, who rest in peace, told me was to drink Jack Daniels and put your foot in a bucket of burning hot water.

00:33:55.000 Which is a little bit like having a horse on each leg and they take off a different direction.

00:34:00.000 Because, like, get the hottest water you can take and continue the pain.

00:34:03.000 Like, it's such a wives' tale, it's almost like a divorcee's tale or something.

00:34:09.000 Right.

00:34:10.000 So I did that and waited because I didn't know which one it was.

00:34:14.000 It turns out that the 24 Hours one lives in another desert, more close to Arizona, and that it's not quite as I've described.

00:34:24.000 I'm just telling you what I thought at the time.

00:34:26.000 And it was much like a bee sting, but by the time I realized that, and it swole up It swole up immediate and looked like it was going to keep going because it got to this golf ball so fast that it was like, when will this stop?

00:34:41.000 Right, right.

00:34:42.000 But it was like a bee sting, but by the time I discovered that, I was so drunk that bee sting, schmee sting, you know...

00:34:53.000 So you're just sitting there with your foot in a bucket of hot water getting hammered.

00:34:56.000 No, scalding.

00:34:57.000 Scalding water.

00:34:58.000 It was like, the hotter it is, the better.

00:35:00.000 And I was like, ah!

00:35:01.000 Don't dump it! 0.99

00:35:02.000 Imagine if the fucking real injury was you got third degree burns in your foot from the water and there was nothing wrong with the beat. 0.99

00:35:07.000 How mad would you be? 0.99

00:35:08.000 My friend said the real remedy is you grab a shark and you... 1.00

00:35:13.000 Stick it up your ass. 1.00

00:35:15.000 And you totally forget about it. 1.00

00:35:17.000 A buddy of mine was in South America and he got bit by a bullet ant.

00:35:19.000 He got hit by a bullet ant on his heel.

00:35:21.000 And he said the pain was so bad, but it was so bewildering that after the pain was over, he couldn't figure out which foot got bit.

00:35:32.000 Because your brain's going, like, static?

00:35:35.000 He said, it's so confusing.

00:35:38.000 The pain's so confusing.

00:35:39.000 It's for hours.

00:35:41.000 Do you think that, because anytime I've seen that online where it's like, you know, I'm Dingo Piles, and I let a bullet ant bite me, where you're like, Jesus, man, don't hang out with this person.

00:35:53.000 You see the one where they put it in a glove?

00:35:55.000 Yeah, like a handful.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, it's like a ritual that young men have to do to reach the coming age.

00:36:01.000 Oh, that's right, yeah.

00:36:02.000 That's like jumping off on how Bungie was invented with no bunge or no boing.

00:36:08.000 No boing.

00:36:08.000 It's just rope.

00:36:10.000 To be a man, you jump off this thing and it's like...

00:36:12.000 I'm starting to identify as a...

00:36:15.000 Yeah.

00:36:18.000 I wonder what the bullet ant thinks of all this.

00:36:21.000 If it's like, well, I can never make any friends. 0.99

00:36:24.000 Or so, what the fuck? 0.98

00:36:25.000 I think that just violence in insect form... 0.99

00:36:28.000 Don't you think that that's...

00:36:30.000 If there ever was an alien, that would be...

00:36:33.000 It would be easy to assume this little bullet ant in space that's just like...

00:36:36.000 And then...

00:36:38.000 Pushes so hard that there's two of them. 0.99

00:36:41.000 What would really be fucked up is if bugs were big and intelligent. 0.99

00:36:44.000 If bugs behaved the way settlers behaved when they encountered the Native Americans. 0.99

00:36:49.000 I must say – I'm happy to hear you say that.

00:36:52.000 Something I say to my kids and I've said to myself for many, many, many years is – When I'm having a rough morning, I say, thank God praying mantis aren't five feet tall. 1.00

00:37:03.000 Fuck yeah, dude! 1.00

00:37:04.000 Because getting to your car would be a nightmare. 1.00

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:08.000 And you'd never, it'd just be like, you know, that. 0.88

00:37:12.000 Yeah, I was just watching a video of a praying mantis fucking up a mouse. 0.97

00:37:17.000 They're so powerful, Matt. 0.99

00:37:18.000 It's crazy.

00:37:19.000 Just to, like, start the morning?

00:37:20.000 It was just sitting there. 0.97

00:37:21.000 It was just sitting there as the mouse got close to him and then he grabs ahold of him and fucks him up.

00:37:26.000 Is that a normal way to start the morning? 0.84

00:37:28.000 Me?

00:37:28.000 Yeah, unfortunately.

00:37:30.000 Yeah, there was one with a squirrel, too.

00:37:33.000 The praying mantis was eating a squirrel.

00:37:35.000 It's like holding on to this little squirrel's head and just slowly pulling it apart.

00:37:39.000 Oh, there's another one with a lizard. 1.00

00:37:41.000 The lizard one was pretty fucked. 0.99

00:37:42.000 Look at this mouse. 1.00

00:37:43.000 You would think, well, there's no way.

00:37:44.000 Look, that mouse is just like, oh, well, I'm just going over here, just going to look over here. 1.00

00:37:48.000 Bro, they are so ruthless, these goddamn things. 1.00

00:37:51.000 And they're so fucking deceptively strong for their size. 1.00

00:37:55.000 You look at how big they are. 0.99

00:37:56.000 I mean, look at that, dude.

00:37:57.000 If that was five feet tall. 1.00

00:37:59.000 Oh, we'd be fucked. 0.99

00:38:01.000 Honestly, I would stay home a lot more. 1.00

00:38:03.000 I would be armed to the dick all day long. 1.00

00:38:07.000 Just fucking everywhere I go. 1.00

00:38:09.000 Multiple guns, Kevlar suits. 1.00

00:38:12.000 Here he goes. 1.00

00:38:13.000 Bitch! 1.00

00:38:14.000 And the way they get some is so fucking fast. 1.00

00:38:17.000 Well, it is kind of a cool thing that we don't have to die watching something eat us. 0.96

00:38:22.000 It's crazy, though, that it's not a contest.

00:38:26.000 Look at that in the ear, though.

00:38:28.000 What I'd like to move is that...

00:38:32.000 That's uncalled for.

00:38:33.000 It's rude.

00:38:34.000 He's eating an ear first. 1.00

00:38:36.000 If I'm hit by something that's going to eat me, I'm like, don't start at the fucking ear, man. 1.00

00:38:40.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:38:41.000 Well, really, that's what you've got to hear. 0.99

00:38:43.000 The mouse doesn't even have a chance.

00:38:44.000 Could you make it any louder?

00:38:46.000 They're chilling.

00:38:47.000 Just like...

00:38:49.000 We were just like, will you get in deep enough, please? 1.00

00:38:51.000 You get this over with, you fuck. 1.00

00:38:53.000 And then you just feel the sound at that point. 1.00

00:38:55.000 Like boulders underwater.

00:38:58.000 It's just crazy when you look at how big the mouse is and how small the insect is for mass of body weight.

00:39:03.000 It's not even a contest.

00:39:05.000 The praying mantis just gets it 100%.

00:39:08.000 It's not like, maybe the mouse can get away. 1.00

00:39:10.000 No, it's over, bitch. 1.00

00:39:11.000 It's a bit like that orca eats the great white's liver thing. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Right, right.

00:39:15.000 Where for like a thousand nautical miles in every direction, every single tagged white shark, as soon as that happens, the radius is like a thousand nautical miles.

00:39:26.000 Every great white shark was like...

00:39:27.000 So anyways, they said, I'm out of here!

00:39:29.000 And then takes off.

00:39:30.000 Really?

00:39:30.000 Yeah.

00:39:31.000 So they felt it?

00:39:32.000 Like they knew?

00:39:32.000 Yeah, something about the smell of their own...

00:39:35.000 of that...

00:39:37.000 Really?

00:39:37.000 Or whatever that, you know, what is it, the Opula of Lorenzini, that sixth sense they have?

00:39:45.000 Oh, right, okay.

00:39:45.000 Something about that frequency for them is sort of like, call you back, and they just bail.

00:39:53.000 Well, that's like the bully getting bullied, right? 0.99

00:39:54.000 Like, they're the meanest motherfuckers in the ocean, except for the orcas. 1.00

00:39:58.000 Right. 0.99

00:39:58.000 I think at this point in my life, I'm like, they don't have hands, so they're like, sorry, I gotta try it. 0.99

00:40:03.000 What's going on here?

00:40:04.000 No hands.

00:40:05.000 Gonna use this.

00:40:06.000 Sorry.

00:40:07.000 Because when you have no predators most of your time like that...

00:40:11.000 What's up, Jamie?

00:40:12.000 What do you got?

00:40:12.000 Did we mention this before where they only go after the liver?

00:40:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:16.000 Like creepy cereal killers.

00:40:17.000 Well, they do some fava beans with it, so that's cool.

00:40:21.000 It's probably very nutritious.

00:40:24.000 Are you kidding?

00:40:25.000 Orcas are the biggest...

00:40:25.000 How do you do that with your mouth?

00:40:26.000 I think orcas are probably the biggest dick of all. 1.00

00:40:29.000 Because they're just like, should we go fuck with that guy and grab his liver or what do you want to do? 1.00

00:40:33.000 Well, they fuck up dolphins too. 1.00

00:40:34.000 We know dolphins are kind of cute. 0.95

00:40:37.000 Well, the permanent smile, right?

00:40:40.000 That's why dolphins are cute. 1.00

00:40:41.000 They're just thinking, hey. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Because they could be like, fuck you. 1.00

00:40:44.000 Well, even dolphins. 1.00

00:40:45.000 Dolphins commit infanticide.

00:40:47.000 They kill babies. 0.70

00:40:48.000 They do it on porpoise.

00:40:49.000 Yeah.

00:40:50.000 Well, they kill their own kinds of babies to try to force the female into estrus. 0.99

00:40:55.000 And so as a consequence, female dolphins. 1.00

00:40:57.000 Oh, right.

00:40:57.000 To get them back to fertility.

00:40:59.000 Yes.

00:40:59.000 Because female dolphins, when they breed, apparently, once they have a baby, they have to raise that baby for like six years, so they won't have sex for like six years.

00:41:07.000 So what male dolphins do is they will kill the baby, so they're forced a female to breed again.

00:41:13.000 So what females do is they become hoes. 1.00

00:41:16.000 So they fuck everybody and anybody they can, so that if a dolphin runs into her, they go, maybe that's my kid. 1.00

00:41:22.000 Oh, right. 1.00

00:41:23.000 Yeah, so they're not sure if it's their kid.

00:41:26.000 Obviously, there's no 23andMe under the ocean.

00:41:27.000 Plausible deniability.

00:41:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:30.000 So they know that they fucked her. 1.00

00:41:32.000 What is it, the Seven Great Oceans and me or something? 0.99

00:41:34.000 Well, they're really intelligent, right?

00:41:36.000 I mean, they have a cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than a human being.

00:41:40.000 When there was that one shot, and maybe it's Blackfish or something like that, where they put a mirror up, and the dolphins are looking at them.

00:41:51.000 They're self-aware.

00:41:53.000 That was an amazing moment to watch.

00:41:57.000 Like a dolphin go...

00:41:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:59.000 Like with a shower, with a hairbrush singing in the mirror, sort of?

00:42:03.000 Well, it can.

00:42:04.000 It's like the way we looked at other cultures.

00:42:06.000 We think we're better.

00:42:08.000 But when we look at orcas and dolphins, just because they can't affect their environment the way we can, like they can't build houses and, you know, and create things.

00:42:17.000 We assume they're not as intelligent.

00:42:19.000 Well, create things that we would determine to have any value.

00:42:22.000 Right, right.

00:42:23.000 Physical objects.

00:42:24.000 That's it.

00:42:24.000 But the way they have culture and communication and intelligence.

00:42:28.000 Yeah, to have the sonar and all that stuff.

00:42:30.000 They're operating with tools that we're like, what?

00:42:33.000 Yeah, we don't even understand what you're doing.

00:42:35.000 Oh, you mean bing! 0.99

00:42:37.000 I got that over here.

00:42:38.000 Bing! 0.98

00:42:38.000 Yeah, they're using sonar and finding objects in the water and recognizing fish. 0.98

00:42:43.000 As a musician...

00:42:45.000 At one point, I went through this pirate phase of reading, where you just read about, because all the logs are so accurate, they had to be, to survive.

00:42:55.000 So you read pirates' logs?

00:42:56.000 Yeah, like, well, the historical version of, why did someone turn into a privateer?

00:43:02.000 You know, charged by the King of Spain to take anything English into the English that's a pirate.

00:43:08.000 Like, how does that?

00:43:09.000 And it was from war slowing down and all these sailors having, like, what do we do?

00:43:13.000 You know?

00:43:14.000 And the logs are so accurate and in a very fact, like, this is what happened.

00:43:21.000 It's marked in the log.

00:43:23.000 That is just great, accurate history of the Caribbean.

00:43:26.000 Well, that's one of the ways we know about what happened with Columbus, right? 0.82

00:43:29.000 One of the more fucked up things about Columbus is, I believe it was missionaries that traveled with him that ratted him out about how ruthless they were. 0.96

00:43:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:43:39.000 They were cutting people's arms off. 0.99

00:43:41.000 They didn't give him enough gold and dashing baby's heads on the rocks.

00:43:45.000 But then you wouldn't be able to get any more gold from that person, certainly, just...

00:43:49.000 Yeah, the idea was to scare everybody else.

00:43:51.000 But if you didn't bring enough as a practical thing, like, go get me more gold. 0.95

00:43:56.000 You know, cut his arm off.

00:43:57.000 Well, now he can't even bring more anyways.

00:43:58.000 I think the idea was nobody wants their arm cut off, so there's plenty of them.

00:44:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Like, just kill this one guy. 1.00

00:44:04.000 And the people that do only have one arm, they probably have already done that. 0.99

00:44:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:09.000 One of them was fucked up. 0.99

00:44:12.000 The reason for the logs is they would talk about how whales and dolphins, you could hear them singing. 0.99

00:44:19.000 Because there's no engines on the ocean.

00:44:22.000 So it's just the silence of the planet.

00:44:26.000 Right, right.

00:44:27.000 They're just using sails.

00:44:29.000 Yeah.

00:44:29.000 And sometimes there isn't any wind, and it's night where everything comes out to do its thing.

00:44:36.000 And you'd hear this communication, this vast whale song that you could hear around the world.

00:44:41.000 Wow.

00:44:42.000 Because the whales are so big.

00:44:44.000 Wow.

00:44:45.000 That there's this communication and they're extrapolating that there's a communication breakdown now because of the noise pollution of it all.

00:44:56.000 Oh, sure.

00:44:56.000 Noise pollution and regular pollution as well.

00:44:58.000 Right, right.

00:45:00.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 The constant drone of success. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Damn. 1.00

00:45:05.000 I mean, that's where the real horrific death has occurred, right? 1.00

00:45:10.000 In the ocean.

00:45:11.000 Imagine what the ocean was like in terms of like teeming with life in 1492. Yeah.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, because they talk about that trash thing that really was nutrients before.

00:45:22.000 That's why the animals came there.

00:45:26.000 There's a trash plastic island the size of Texas, but it all gathers there because of the currents.

00:45:33.000 And previously it wasn't an island of plastic, but in fact an island of nutrients that brought everything in.

00:45:41.000 So it was like hometown buffet for fish things.

00:45:46.000 Right.

00:45:46.000 And now they're showing up and they're like...

00:45:49.000 Right.

00:45:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:51.000 Yeah.

00:45:51.000 How's the six-pack ring look on me?

00:45:53.000 It's sort of...

00:45:54.000 Bummer. 0.99

00:45:57.000 It's a fucking bummer. 0.99

00:45:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:59.000 What's up, Jeremy?

00:46:00.000 Did you see what Colin O'Brady, who was on the podcast a few months ago now...

00:46:03.000 Yeah, he's going to row across to Antarctica.

00:46:06.000 Drake's Passage, I guess, is what it's called, in this little teeny rowboat.

00:46:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:46:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:11.000 He's crazy.

00:46:12.000 A couple other guys he's going to do it with, but I guess they're going to...

00:46:15.000 He walked across Antarctica.

00:46:17.000 Yeah, of course.

00:46:18.000 It was such a harrowing story.

00:46:19.000 Really, I can't imagine it not being fraught at every other's footstep.

00:46:26.000 I bet you do that, though, for however long it takes him.

00:46:29.000 A summer, rowing, you come out ripped.

00:46:32.000 I bet you develop serious back muscles.

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, you know, that is a really positive way to look at it.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, it's a great workout.

00:46:40.000 Do you want bigger back?

00:46:43.000 You want your back to look beautiful?

00:46:45.000 Okay, the crew must work 24 hours a day, rotating around the clock with little to no sleep.

00:46:51.000 What?

00:46:51.000 Yeah, they're live-streaming this whole thing with Discovery, so if they die, we're going to watch it.

00:46:56.000 Bro, look at this.

00:46:58.000 Swells can tower up to 50 feet high. 1.00

00:47:01.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:47:02.000 It sounds so fucking crazy. 1.00

00:47:05.000 Well, imagine it's 2.27 in the morning, and everyone's asleep, and you're in charge of rowing over 50-foot swells. 0.98

00:47:13.000 And how much can you sleep?

00:47:15.000 If everybody has to work 24 hours a day, what do you get, like an hour sleep a day?

00:47:18.000 Well, you get tons of fake sleep.

00:47:20.000 There's the boat.

00:47:21.000 Because you're tired of rowing.

00:47:22.000 You're in the zone. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Look at this fucking boat, too. 1.00

00:47:26.000 It's a shitty little boat. 1.00

00:47:27.000 Can you imagine being the cameraman? 0.99

00:47:28.000 That's the most boring thing ever on that.

00:47:30.000 Do you see that cameraman in the back? 0.98

00:47:31.000 Oh, that's ridiculous. 0.82

00:47:32.000 He's got to row, too, though. 0.92

00:47:34.000 There's no one who's just a cameraman.

00:47:36.000 Six athletes, it says.

00:47:38.000 One boat.

00:47:40.000 No chance.

00:47:41.000 No motor. 1.00

00:47:42.000 They're fucked. 1.00

00:47:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:44.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 No sale.

00:47:45.000 Oh, God.

00:47:47.000 Why do people have to do things like this?

00:47:49.000 No turning back.

00:47:50.000 I love talking to them when they come back, but why do they have to do that? 0.86

00:47:55.000 It just seems so ridiculous.

00:47:57.000 Good luck.

00:47:58.000 The impossible row.

00:48:00.000 Follow the expedition.

00:48:00.000 I wonder how you sell that idea to, like, the other rower.

00:48:05.000 They have to be assholes, too. 1.00

00:48:06.000 There you go. 1.00

00:48:09.000 Bunch of crazy assholes to get together. 1.00

00:48:11.000 I was thinking about running a thousand miles. 1.00

00:48:13.000 Well, hey, before you do that, I got a project.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, does it start with like, hear me out.

00:48:18.000 Just hear me out.

00:48:19.000 Let me finish the pitch.

00:48:21.000 And then, like, do you have to predecess that like that?

00:48:24.000 Or do you just gently try to...

00:48:27.000 I think those kind of people find themselves.

00:48:29.000 I don't know what you're up to. 0.99

00:48:29.000 Yeah, certainly they're near the ore store or whatever the fuck. 0.99

00:48:33.000 There are some people out there that just can't push themselves hard enough, you know? 0.98

00:48:38.000 No matter what happens.

00:48:40.000 Like my friend David Goggins, he ran this Moab 240. It's a 240-mile race through the desert.

00:48:46.000 Uh-huh.

00:48:48.000 He developed pulmonary edema, which I guess you get at high altitudes when you're exerting yourself.

00:48:55.000 Yeah, that Everest, like... 0.99

00:48:56.000 Crazy shit, right? 1.00

00:48:57.000 So he goes to the hospital. 1.00

00:48:58.000 They treat him.

00:48:59.000 He gets back and finishes the race.

00:49:01.000 So he ran another 80 miles after. 0.99

00:49:04.000 He ran 180-plus with fucking pulmonary edema. 0.99

00:49:08.000 Like, what? 0.99

00:49:08.000 But does that mean that when you get done that you're like, good! 0.99

00:49:12.000 Whew! 0.99

00:49:13.000 No, he didn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:49:14.000 I mean, it's not really in the ending. 0.99

00:49:16.000 There's no end with that guy.

00:49:19.000 There's no destination at all.

00:49:22.000 There's no finish line.

00:49:23.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 It's just like break to take a leak, I suppose.

00:49:27.000 The thing is, they all know there's other people like them out there.

00:49:30.000 Because they're at the same race.

00:49:32.000 Not even just that.

00:49:33.000 It's just that they're all connected from the internet.

00:49:36.000 They're all connected through the circles that they travel in.

00:49:39.000 They're connected through just – they follow other people like them online.

00:49:44.000 But do you think that a drive like that is more an internal one or do you think that the competition of seeing what someone else did is – what kind of factor do you think that – I think they both play a factor.

00:49:57.000 It's other people that are pushing it.

00:49:59.000 They make you realize that it's possible.

00:50:01.000 And then you also have to have some sort of insane internal furnace.

00:50:06.000 Yeah, well, I believe when they did some brain testing on that climber fellow that did the...

00:50:12.000 Alex Honnold?

00:50:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:15.000 That he just didn't trip out as...

00:50:18.000 It took a lot more to freak him out.

00:50:20.000 Oh yeah, I'm sure.

00:50:21.000 His brainwaves were like, I'm cool.

00:50:24.000 Like when you're hanging by one toenail upside down.

00:50:27.000 Dude, even talking about him makes me nervous.

00:50:29.000 I've had him on twice.

00:50:30.000 Those shots?

00:50:31.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:50:33.000 I shit in someone else's pants. 1.00

00:50:34.000 I get so scared. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Let me borrow your pants real quick. 0.82

00:50:38.000 Those look great on you.

00:50:39.000 Let me try them on.

00:50:40.000 And I'm like, here you go.

00:50:42.000 Dude, sometimes it's not even straight up and down.

00:50:44.000 Sometimes it's an angle back.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, like...

00:50:46.000 Yeah.

00:50:47.000 Like 15 degrees back, the wrong direction.

00:50:50.000 Like, what?

00:50:51.000 Do you just watch that and get vertigo where your balls are sort of like, all right, this is...

00:50:54.000 Look at this.

00:50:55.000 Look at this.

00:50:56.000 Bro, that's way more than 15 degrees.

00:50:58.000 How many degrees is that?

00:51:00.000 If you had to guess...

00:51:01.000 45. That's like 45 degrees, right?

00:51:03.000 Yeah, that is definitely...

00:51:05.000 It's 45 degrees. 0.95

00:51:07.000 Fucking thousand feet up in the sky. 0.97

00:51:09.000 Oh! 0.99

00:51:11.000 But...

00:51:12.000 Do you have to...

00:51:14.000 My palms are sweaty.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, mine are sweating like crazy.

00:51:17.000 Do you have to...

00:51:18.000 Feel that, feel that.

00:51:19.000 I couldn't tell if that's yours or mine.

00:51:21.000 Dude, that's crazy.

00:51:23.000 Like instantaneous palm sweat.

00:51:25.000 We need to drink Purell now.

00:51:26.000 That's...

00:51:28.000 We just light our hands on fire.

00:51:30.000 Put our hands in the same bucket of water you use for the scorpion.

00:51:33.000 You know, and ride a motorcycle, like, I try to stay focused and be very now.

00:51:38.000 Right.

00:51:38.000 In the moment.

00:51:39.000 Yeah, because it's a requirement.

00:51:41.000 Like, when you're sort of like, did I leave the iron on?

00:51:43.000 That's whenever I've gotten in, like, a little fender bender.

00:51:46.000 Right, right, of course.

00:51:47.000 You know.

00:51:48.000 But in that...

00:51:51.000 Do you have to stay so in it that there is no out?

00:51:55.000 I think so.

00:51:56.000 Can you let yourself drift in almost like a meditative state and just be like, hands?

00:52:00.000 I don't think you can. 1.00

00:52:01.000 I think if you drift, you're fucked. 0.99

00:52:04.000 I mean, I think, first of all, the physical requirements. 0.99

00:52:06.000 Well, then how do you stop things like, you know, guess who's hungry?

00:52:09.000 Hands up. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:52:10.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:52:11.000 I think he does it so often that he knows how to get into that state.

00:52:15.000 But, you know, there's also, like, look at that little thing.

00:52:17.000 State of disbelief.

00:52:19.000 Look at that little thing he's holding on with his left hand.

00:52:21.000 What's to say that doesn't chip loose?

00:52:23.000 What's to say?

00:52:24.000 What's to say?

00:52:26.000 I mean, some of those rocks...

00:52:27.000 But talk about manifesting that you do it.

00:52:30.000 Talk about saying, yes, you know, it's already done.

00:52:35.000 You'd have to say, it's already done.

00:52:37.000 I don't know what.

00:52:37.000 I think you just gotta go left foot, right foot, right hand, left hand.

00:52:41.000 And then you also have done it many times with ropes.

00:52:43.000 But also, when you're on the ground, you want to hang out?

00:52:46.000 And he's like, no.

00:52:48.000 Bro, that looks like 60 degrees.

00:52:50.000 That's insane. 1.00

00:52:52.000 He's basically hanging upside down, climbing so far above the fucking trees. 1.00

00:52:58.000 On purpose. 1.00

00:52:59.000 On purpose.

00:53:00.000 Like, it's Tuesday there.

00:53:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:04.000 Most people, you and me included, would be dead.

00:53:06.000 We wouldn't be able to do what he's doing.

00:53:09.000 I'd be dead of a heart attack from realizing I was going to try.

00:53:13.000 And he's such a mellow guy, too.

00:53:14.000 That's what's really interesting.

00:53:16.000 Yeah, like, look at that smile.

00:53:19.000 He also just started recently getting injured.

00:53:23.000 Right, I saw that thing.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, in the movie.

00:53:26.000 I'll tell you what, though.

00:53:27.000 I will read or watch anything about Everest or climbing.

00:53:31.000 There's something...

00:53:33.000 Because I'm always like, well, I'm going to go for that metaphorically.

00:53:38.000 Metaphorically?

00:53:39.000 Yeah, like, I'm going to take that.

00:53:41.000 Metaphorically.

00:53:42.000 That energy and put it into the guitar.

00:53:43.000 And put it into something else, like, I don't know, pass those chips over here.

00:53:48.000 Like, the way I eat.

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:50.000 I eat the way those climbers risk their lives.

00:53:52.000 See that sundae over there?

00:53:54.000 I'm going to climb that thing.

00:53:55.000 It's just knowing that someone like that is out there, though, it changes what our expectations are.

00:54:00.000 Like, what we think of as the boundaries of human performance and what someone's capable of doing.

00:54:05.000 Well, certainly there's a weird...

00:54:08.000 Um, epiphany when you're watching someone do that.

00:54:11.000 Yeah.

00:54:12.000 Because you're sort of like, I'm doing the exact opposite of this person that I'm watching.

00:54:17.000 Yeah, you're just sitting there.

00:54:18.000 Yeah, you're like...

00:54:19.000 Not risking anything.

00:54:20.000 Yeah, you're just sort of like, thank you for doing this for my pleasure.

00:54:24.000 There's a moment of disconnect for me when I'm like, I'm going on a hike, I can't finish this movie anymore.

00:54:31.000 You know...

00:54:33.000 I'm not supposed to finish this movie anymore.

00:54:35.000 It's interesting because what he's doing is essentially a spectator sport, but there's no audience until after it's done.

00:54:42.000 Right, so it ultimately, for the climb, must be singularly about you.

00:54:48.000 I mean, it must be.

00:54:50.000 I don't know how you include someone else during that thing.

00:54:55.000 I think it's just all about the moment.

00:54:57.000 I think he's just, like I said, I think he's thinking left foot, right foot, right hand, left hand, and you just keep going and you know the path.

00:55:03.000 Well, then that would be akin to some of the greatest meditative minds that have ever existed.

00:55:09.000 Right.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 Oh, it's gotta be, yeah.

00:55:11.000 Because it's one thing to meditate and position and kind of go deeply within and keep going into the depths, which are vast, right?

00:55:20.000 But it's different if you said, now will you get up and climb this thing, please?

00:55:24.000 There would be a certain amount of...

00:55:26.000 No, no, I'm still meditating.

00:55:28.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:55:29.000 Where you might be like, no, I'm doing this so I don't have to do that.

00:55:34.000 Right, to maintain that mindset through action, that's a different kind of meditation because the consequences are so grave.

00:55:41.000 Like if you're just sitting there meditating and your brain drifts, nothing happens. 0.98

00:55:45.000 But if you're up there and you're achieving that state and then your brain drifts and you're like, oh Jesus, what the fuck am I doing? 0.99

00:55:50.000 Oh my God. 0.98

00:55:51.000 I've been reading about this.

00:55:53.000 I've been watching and reading this woman, Esther Hicks.

00:55:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:56.000 Okay, there's that lady that channels. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Yeah, but putting that aside to not precondition anyone, her discussions on manifestation and her explanation of that, that the physical body,

00:56:14.000 that you have thoughts and thoughts are bigger than...

00:56:16.000 Your body is simply a bag that protects your thoughts so they can occur.

00:56:22.000 And that when you think something, you begin to bring it into idea, which is on the process to bring it into the world.

00:56:29.000 And so, when you say, I can't, you certainly cannot.

00:56:35.000 Right.

00:56:36.000 And that it's okay when coming from a position of, I can, and it's already happened, and I'm just meeting up with what's already occurred.

00:56:46.000 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 That there's something beautiful there, especially when it's not really being wrapped in a selfish thing, but manifesting happiness and things you love, and that that attracts other – that's what's contagious,

00:57:02.000 you know?

00:57:03.000 And – So I wonder when I see a photo like that about the connection.

00:57:08.000 And her point being is that she's like, all day long you're thinking thoughts and acting on them because that mind and body are one.

00:57:17.000 They're executing the same process together.

00:57:20.000 You know, dependently.

00:57:22.000 And, like, that is the embodiment of thought and body and action together and being ultimately in that vortex of being aware.

00:57:33.000 Darrell Bock That Esther Hicks lady is very strange.

00:57:35.000 I'm very torn on that because I listen to the actual words and the things that she says when she's channeling that – what is it like that?

00:57:43.000 Is he like a dead guy or an alien?

00:57:46.000 What is he?

00:57:46.000 I forget what he is.

00:57:48.000 One of them channels an alien.

00:57:49.000 Right, but I think there's multiple people.

00:57:52.000 But see, the thing is, I've kind of like, was listening, stumbled on that while I was driving and investigating or reconnecting with the law of attraction and how to like, it's like when you get your motorcycle lesson,

00:58:08.000 they tell you to look through the turn because you tend to go where you're looking.

00:58:12.000 Right.

00:58:12.000 You know, not a lot of people are walking backwards and talking to you as they go forward.

00:58:16.000 Right, of course. 0.78

00:58:17.000 And so, it sort of dawned on me the connection between just looking for something you love and not bonding or focusing on all the shit you don't like as a manner of walking towards what you desire. 0.93

00:58:33.000 And this kind of... 0.94

00:58:37.000 Reawakening with that concept is just mere three, four weeks old for me.

00:58:43.000 Really?

00:58:44.000 Well, returning to that idea, because I had this concept before of like, someone's got to make it.

00:58:52.000 Why couldn't it be you?

00:58:56.000 Let's go for it and really go for it.

00:59:00.000 The only way to make it is to really honestly go.

00:59:02.000 So you're talking about your band before you guys made it?

00:59:05.000 No, I'm talking about a way of acting regarding anything.

00:59:08.000 I love music, and music has always been my way of being the utmost honest I can be.

00:59:22.000 And I think because of that, that's what's helped gravitate people that have stayed so long in that.

00:59:29.000 However, also, I've realized that I put so much of who I really am in total into the music, that there are times that I should have done that in relationships with friends or people.

00:59:43.000 It's like And family.

00:59:44.000 And that it's really, it's important to do that in life, too.

00:59:50.000 You know, to be engaged.

00:59:51.000 And also, show your real self.

00:59:54.000 That kind of, where the vulnerability of all that is really powerful instead of weakness.

00:59:59.000 It's the opposite of weakness, you know?

01:00:02.000 And so I think pursuing music that way is great, but not if it's keeping you from doing that in life.

01:00:09.000 And so it's not just that I would think that way so my band would do well.

01:00:14.000 It's that I would think that way so that I could do well.

01:00:18.000 I could be well, you know?

01:00:19.000 Right.

01:00:20.000 And so that's why I started listening to her and not seeing any of the opening gambit of her transforming into...

01:00:31.000 Abraham.

01:00:32.000 And not caring and not understanding what that means.

01:00:34.000 Just going like, I'm just listening to what you're saying while I'm driving.

01:00:37.000 Right.

01:00:38.000 And hearing that and the way she speaks regarding those things is really fascinating.

01:00:45.000 I choose to detach myself from… Judgment?

01:00:49.000 Yeah, because I know one thing, nothing.

01:00:53.000 Well, it's weird because she's saying very wise things.

01:00:58.000 Right, but it would be a shame to get the, just because I don't, that's not the wrapper I would pick, that I don't like the candy inside.

01:01:05.000 Right, yeah, the channeling part of it.

01:01:08.000 Well, yeah, so it's not, oh, you mean it's not exactly how I would do it? 0.99

01:01:12.000 Well, fuck this then. 0.98

01:01:14.000 Well, it's not just that. 0.99

01:01:15.000 It's like you're listening to wisdom, but are you listening to wisdom from someone who's made up a fairy tale?

01:01:20.000 That's where it gets confusing.

01:01:22.000 She's channeling? 0.94

01:01:23.000 Who is she channeling? 0.96

01:01:25.000 How is she doing that? 0.99

01:01:25.000 I also think that to be able to learn something, this, again, this awakening in me is so new. 0.99

01:01:34.000 Like, it's, in all honesty, it's...

01:01:37.000 It's like a month and a half old, but it feels really good.

01:01:40.000 What happened?

01:01:41.000 It's just that I think that engagement in life and also feeling a bit lost and not knowing how to ask for I think?

01:02:20.000 That thing which makes you feel good.

01:02:22.000 So you've changed your perspective.

01:02:24.000 You've changed the way you focus on it.

01:02:25.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:02:26.000 And in fact, I've realized it's fine to be afraid of shit. 1.00

01:02:35.000 It's fine. 0.99

01:02:36.000 It's not fine to go like, nope, that's not over there.

01:02:42.000 Right, right.

01:02:42.000 To deny it.

01:02:43.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 How can you get stronger unless you turn and really, really look into it, you know?

01:02:48.000 Right.

01:02:49.000 You don't want to be paralyzed by fear, but there's nothing wrong with being aware that something scares you.

01:02:53.000 Yeah.

01:02:54.000 Yeah.

01:02:55.000 I mean, I really, nine times out of ten, you didn't need to be afraid of it.

01:02:59.000 And that one time you do, you know it's true and you know what it is.

01:03:02.000 Right.

01:03:03.000 And that seems like a successful...

01:03:05.000 And in dealing with that, too, you get the chance to say, I can do this.

01:03:13.000 Is that lady still alive? 1.00

01:03:14.000 Is Esther Hicks still alive?

01:03:15.000 I have no idea.

01:03:16.000 Maybe I could get her in. 1.00

01:03:18.000 I think it would be interesting because you'd have to separate the things that don't fit, right?

01:03:25.000 Right.

01:03:26.000 Well, one of the husband has to be there with everything, too.

01:03:28.000 Jerry, he died.

01:03:29.000 He died?

01:03:30.000 See, without having no preconceived notion and just hearing this as I drive, when the next YouTube thing started to play, I was like, who is this?

01:03:37.000 Who's Abraham?

01:03:39.000 There was no context for me.

01:03:41.000 I was just listening to the words. 0.98

01:03:43.000 And I was like, wow, this is fucking great. 0.99

01:03:46.000 You know, this is great. 0.99

01:03:49.000 And kept listening.

01:03:51.000 I was driving to the desert and doing this other stuff.

01:03:53.000 You know what's interesting about it?

01:03:54.000 It's remarkably consistent. 0.98

01:03:56.000 She doesn't say anything that's really foolish.

01:04:00.000 And she never changes her tune about, look, and I started to dig that she was saying we, because until I understood that she was like channeling something, I thought it was just a really beautiful way of saying we.

01:04:14.000 We.

01:04:15.000 What we want to tell you is like as if you were already there.

01:04:19.000 Right.

01:04:19.000 And really what she was talking about is already being there anyways.

01:04:23.000 Like you will have an idea.

01:04:25.000 You will form a habit of one type or another.

01:04:27.000 Which one would you like it to be?

01:04:30.000 And know this.

01:04:32.000 If all you can focus is on what sucks but is yet to be, just wait a sec. 0.53

01:04:38.000 It's coming. 0.79

01:04:39.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:04:40.000 And where conversely, if you were like, I ain't gonna worry about that because I like as much time without it as possible, let's focus on something I do like until shit gets here.

01:04:49.000 That you naturally look through the turn. 0.92

01:04:52.000 And as long as you're not trying to turn into a wall or a cavalcade of shit, but if you're trying to turn into something you love, you actually will turn into something you love. 0.93

01:05:02.000 In that case, you should probably embrace challenges, right? 0.93

01:05:05.000 You should probably welcome them because...

01:05:08.000 When they happen, they will test you, and then you can figure out whether or not this philosophy is actually...

01:05:15.000 Well, I mean, I have been testing, because I've always dealt with difficulty by shielding it, putting it into the music, or putting it into some dark closet somewhere.

01:05:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:30.000 Right.

01:05:30.000 Because you're taught to do that, right?

01:05:32.000 Yeah.

01:05:33.000 Like, gnash your teeth and grin and bear it.

01:05:36.000 Or ignore it.

01:05:37.000 Ignore it.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, like, that's what the rug is for, sweeping stuff under.

01:05:41.000 Right.

01:05:42.000 Where you're like, oh, really?

01:05:43.000 But that feels like building a dam or something.

01:05:47.000 When really you're supposed to let that river of fear or whatever go with it, go downstream with it, stop fighting it.

01:05:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:54.000 Because you dam all that shit up, put it in the corner, bury it behind, and really one day it just, like... 0.99

01:06:00.000 It gives you a massive bath of you're fucked, that damn breath. 1.00

01:06:03.000 That whole law of attraction thing is very strange to me because I feel like everybody's trying to describe something that there's some element of truth to, but that it's really complicated. 1.00

01:06:12.000 And it's not as simple as think it and manifest it.

01:06:16.000 There's a lot of discipline involved in that.

01:06:19.000 There's a lot of hard work and concentration and thought and doubts and hopes and dreams.

01:06:25.000 And there's a lot of other things.

01:06:26.000 And then also fortune.

01:06:28.000 There's a lot of people...

01:06:29.000 I feel like when those – I would never use that for fortune.

01:06:36.000 For me, the fortune would be like that your relationships and emotional connections get deeper.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 Yeah, I don't mean fortunate.

01:06:44.000 I mean being fortunate.

01:06:46.000 Fortunate, yeah.

01:06:46.000 I mean being lucky.

01:06:48.000 Like, we're lucky we're here.

01:06:49.000 Well, we're blessed we're here.

01:06:50.000 Yes, yes.

01:06:51.000 But it's not really lucky.

01:06:52.000 And I think that's one of the main things right there is understanding the difference in thought.

01:06:57.000 Because ultimately what you're saying, what one is that hard work that you're talking about, and all those things are sort of getting out of your own way and unlearning how to be so doubtful about it all and just say, I'll take something I like,

01:07:13.000 and I'll just think about that for a bit.

01:07:16.000 And let that be the first step.

01:07:19.000 And then go, keep going down that river, downstream of that idea.

01:07:23.000 Getting closer and closer to something you really love.

01:07:27.000 Because saying, you know, saying I don't like this water bottle...

01:07:33.000 Sucks, but saying, but at least I don't have to drink it, is one step away from that.

01:07:39.000 And if you just keep taking those steps away and going down that river, that's the right direction to be going. 0.92

01:07:45.000 Because focusing on this is like, how's that going to help you?

01:07:48.000 God, it's got this blue binding.

01:07:50.000 Well, it's certainly not going to help you to think about how fortunate you are.

01:07:55.000 Yeah.

01:07:55.000 Is it?

01:07:56.000 Yeah.

01:07:56.000 I mean, I guess it kind of is.

01:07:57.000 It's blocking you.

01:07:58.000 Well, it's blocking you from feeling fortunate, but saying at least I don't have to drink them every day is turning the right direction and heading towards how fortunate you are.

01:08:06.000 And if you keep taking those little steps, then soon you get to like, I feel fortunate to be here.

01:08:13.000 I feel fortunate I don't have to think about this bottle of water all the time.

01:08:17.000 That's quite nice.

01:08:18.000 Genuine gratitude.

01:08:19.000 Also, it clears your mind if you're thinking about positive things and working towards those things.

01:08:24.000 It clears your mind of a lot of the natural traps that we set for each other. 0.99

01:08:32.000 Yeah, dumb nuts baggage. 0.97

01:08:33.000 Those hurdles we make are tailor-made because they're made by you for you. 1.00

01:08:37.000 Right, right.

01:08:38.000 How could they not work?

01:08:39.000 Yeah, they highlight your actual real insecurities and fears that you know you have.

01:08:44.000 Absolutely, and you go...

01:08:46.000 This is sure to trap someone because look, and then you're in it because you made it for you.

01:08:50.000 It's like, yeah, to me, it's trap me.

01:08:52.000 And I think what I like about what I heard her saying is that because it came from no context whatsoever and I just heard the words… It said, can you get out of your own way?

01:09:03.000 That's what I would like you to think about first.

01:09:06.000 What is that?

01:09:06.000 There's an ancient tale, a tale of two wolves, meaning how to live your life.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, I know it.

01:09:14.000 One wolf is filled with fear.

01:09:17.000 How does that go?

01:09:18.000 My mother just gave it to my kids.

01:09:21.000 Really?

01:09:22.000 How's it go?

01:09:25.000 Paraphrasing.

01:09:26.000 You know, she bought this framed thing, like, you know, there are two wolves, and one is anger, and one is, like, love, and they both exist.

01:09:39.000 But ultimately, it's like, which one are you going to feed?

01:09:42.000 Right.

01:09:42.000 Yeah.

01:09:43.000 It's really the – I think I'm correct in saying the ultimate goal is – Yeah, you're paraphrasing, but it's something like that.

01:09:49.000 It's the one that survives and succeeds is the one you feed.

01:09:52.000 Well, I think the younger Native American says, well, how do I know which one – how do I not let one take over? 1.00

01:10:01.000 It's like, well, which one are you going to feed ultimately?

01:10:04.000 Right.

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:05.000 Yeah.

01:10:07.000 Well, the more you concentrate on positive things and the less you concentrate on negative things, for sure you're freeing your mind up and you gain the momentum of positive thought and the momentum of living your life with positive thought.

01:10:20.000 It becomes easier to do and more rewarding to do.

01:10:23.000 But I think it's also necessary to say, I'm not talking about walking around in colopsia like going...

01:10:28.000 It's just...

01:10:32.000 Like, smile.

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:36.000 Being nice and in action.

01:10:37.000 You're talking about this.

01:10:38.000 You're not talking about this like in some sort of a random...

01:10:42.000 Well, it starts with a thought.

01:10:43.000 It works into an idea and then manifests itself into like a smile or just...

01:10:48.000 It's nice to do something nice and also understand that I'm not talking about walking around like, hi.

01:10:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:57.000 You know, like, I'm not talking about being some goof-tits, dumb-nuts motherfucker that's... 1.00

01:11:01.000 What I'm saying is, do something nice and start that way. 1.00

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 And leave it at that.

01:11:07.000 And I think there's something to, when your thoughts are filled with this, there's just, frankly, less room for me to think about this water, which I dislike.

01:11:16.000 Right.

01:11:16.000 There's just, frankly, there's less real estate.

01:11:19.000 Right.

01:11:20.000 You're using your real estate on positive things.

01:11:22.000 Yeah.

01:11:22.000 And because of the contagion of enjoying it.

01:11:26.000 Because things that are positive are essentially what?

01:11:28.000 Things I like.

01:11:29.000 Yeah.

01:11:30.000 I'm enjoying being here.

01:11:31.000 So this water doesn't really...

01:11:33.000 I don't have real estate for that.

01:11:35.000 I've got too much enjoyment to be here, you know?

01:11:42.000 And that'll do.

01:11:44.000 Now this Esther Hicks thing, how did you get into this?

01:11:47.000 Completely by accident, or not.

01:11:50.000 Meaning, you know, I... Sometimes things just slam down on the table and say, you've got to be engaged in this at the moment to do it or not.

01:12:04.000 And nothing incites a change like that.

01:12:09.000 It's sort of a gift, actually.

01:12:11.000 It's saying, it's struggle now.

01:12:13.000 But if you struggle through this, it's going to get better.

01:12:16.000 You know?

01:12:17.000 And I love...

01:12:20.000 I'm actually really thankful and appreciative of that sort of moment.

01:12:23.000 I don't mind the risk of all that.

01:12:25.000 That's what it's all about.

01:12:28.000 I just was looking through the law of attraction and finding a way to change my thoughts to things I loved.

01:12:39.000 And I listened to a couple.

01:12:41.000 I was driving, and it just clicked onto hers.

01:12:43.000 It auto-played, and there it was.

01:12:45.000 And as I said, without any sort of judgment, and I'm the last person that's kind of a joiner or would be accused of being hippy-dippies or whatever kind of like...

01:12:58.000 Someone who's scared would say.

01:13:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:01.000 So it just made sense to me.

01:13:03.000 Almost the calculus of it all.

01:13:05.000 It's a complex problem.

01:13:06.000 But get out of your own way.

01:13:08.000 Keep it simple.

01:13:10.000 Listen.

01:13:11.000 But she goes further than that, right?

01:13:12.000 She actually talks about your thoughts manifesting reality.

01:13:17.000 And she talks about how what you're doing with your thoughts and the way you think and the way you sort of interface with reality is you're creating reality with your mind.

01:13:28.000 Right, right.

01:13:30.000 And I'm choosing how I want to take that and have that mean something to me.

01:13:38.000 So you're finding an application for that in your life.

01:13:41.000 And also, I'm within the spectrum of all the things she's talking about.

01:13:45.000 I simply am looking for ways to, in my immediate life, with the people that are close to me, how to be more engaged and how to be more engaging myself.

01:14:00.000 Because...

01:14:01.000 As I said, I've had a lot of troubled times in the last few years because of just feeling lost and not knowing how to deal with that.

01:14:08.000 And you always put that in your music.

01:14:11.000 But maybe I should be putting it into more than just that too.

01:14:14.000 It doesn't negate wanting your music to be truth.

01:14:17.000 That's what it's for.

01:14:19.000 But also, it should be inspiring to point that in other directions too.

01:14:24.000 Are you bringing this to the band?

01:14:26.000 Like if you said, hey guys, listen to this channel here, lady?

01:14:29.000 No, no.

01:14:29.000 No, because, I mean, I'm surprised I'm sort of revealing it here.

01:14:34.000 Because I'm not a disciple of anything.

01:14:37.000 Yeah, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it, honestly.

01:14:39.000 Because, I mean, I've listened to it, too. 0.93

01:14:41.000 A buddy of mine was really into it, and he turned me on to it, and I listened to it, and I said, okay, there's a lot of wacky shit going on here. 0.94

01:14:46.000 I think she's channeling a thousand-year-old person, something like that. 0.96

01:14:49.000 Yeah, Gary.

01:14:51.000 Abraham, right?

01:14:53.000 I think she's supposedly channeling some ancient person.

01:14:56.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:14:57.000 Forget all that.

01:14:58.000 The words she's saying resonate.

01:15:01.000 And they're also sort of like consistent across this thing.

01:15:04.000 And as I said before, I'm mining in a specific vein of like, okay, the people I care about most...

01:15:12.000 How do we all grow right at each other?

01:15:16.000 And how do we do that?

01:15:18.000 Because that is the goal.

01:15:20.000 The goal is to be alone. 0.99

01:15:22.000 And it's also, whether it's wacky or not, look, there's a lot of wacky shit in religion, but obviously a lot of people find some great meaning in it. 0.99

01:15:32.000 The world is weird and complicated. 0.99

01:15:35.000 Yeah, absolutely. 1.00

01:15:36.000 Sometimes you can get real wisdom from shit that sounds like nonsense. 0.99

01:15:39.000 Well, if you reserve the right to be surprised by life. 1.00

01:15:42.000 To have an open mind, you certainly have to unlock the door and open that fucker. 0.99

01:15:48.000 That's a great way of looking at it. 0.99

01:15:49.000 Reserve the right to be surprised by life.

01:15:51.000 That is my goal in general in life.

01:15:54.000 And also now it's my mission because it's a bit like when I used to mess around with illegals, like legal sub things like that.

01:16:07.000 Drugs?

01:16:08.000 Oh, I suppose those are in there too, yeah.

01:16:11.000 What did you mean though?

01:16:12.000 You said illegals.

01:16:13.000 I meant that wrapped in other stuff so I didn't have to just say that.

01:16:17.000 Oh, okay.

01:16:18.000 Oh, but then I think I just gave that away.

01:16:19.000 Okay.

01:16:20.000 Now, those things are sort of like I tried all that for too long, and that didn't really go anywhere.

01:16:28.000 So what else is there?

01:16:30.000 What else is going on?

01:16:31.000 Right.

01:16:32.000 So you try drugs, and then you're like, well, there's got to be something else that's going to fill this void, or give me some peace, or...

01:16:38.000 Yeah, or like, I certainly can't stand here.

01:16:41.000 You're either growing or dying.

01:16:42.000 Right.

01:16:43.000 And since I'm less interested in dying, I'm like, what else?

01:16:46.000 What else do we got?

01:16:47.000 Right.

01:16:48.000 I mean, I think for a while, you know, my next thing is...

01:16:54.000 Well, it doesn't matter.

01:16:56.000 I think what's important is when you said, are you bringing this to the guys in the band?

01:17:00.000 I was just about to say yes until you said, are you telling her about this lady?

01:17:04.000 Because to me...

01:17:06.000 She's less important.

01:17:09.000 Yeah, I'm like, oh my god.

01:17:11.000 Because I think I've always looked at music this way where it's like locks.

01:17:15.000 They have these concentric circles.

01:17:17.000 And at one point, they all line up.

01:17:19.000 And you can see through the door to the other side.

01:17:21.000 Mm-hmm.

01:17:42.000 We're good to go.

01:17:56.000 You know, these are like, it's fun to have, collect things, but who cares?

01:18:00.000 It's the relationships you have. 0.99

01:18:02.000 And, you know, when you have kids and stuff, it's like having, enjoying that shit, even when it's rough, that's the thing to get good at. 0.99

01:18:12.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:18:14.000 You'll have plenty of time to die all alone as you were, you know, later.

01:18:18.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:19.000 And so I feel like That's what I'm kind of getting from that, from what she's saying.

01:18:26.000 And so that works just fine.

01:18:29.000 Yeah.

01:18:30.000 Well, if it works, if it works, use it, right?

01:18:32.000 It's not exclusively that either, you know?

01:18:35.000 It's just like...

01:18:36.000 It's a tool.

01:18:37.000 Yeah, it's one of the tools that I would use in every situation is situational.

01:18:42.000 And so I feel like what's great is to have a bunch of tools and not pretend to know.

01:18:49.000 I try to ask this to as many musicians as possible, but how do you guys create music?

01:18:53.000 Do you write stuff out and then come to the band?

01:18:58.000 Do some of the guys bring their own ideas for a beat or for a concept?

01:19:04.000 Well, you know, I like the randomness of it all.

01:19:08.000 And again, I love collaboration.

01:19:11.000 I've never done anything just me all by myself.

01:19:16.000 There are times when you make a request of people you play with where you're like, I hear all of this.

01:19:22.000 Can we just try that first?

01:19:23.000 Yeah.

01:19:24.000 Because, and I like to do that when someone says that in return.

01:19:28.000 If they're like, sometimes you hear everything all at once.

01:19:31.000 And that is a gift.

01:19:32.000 And you kind of don't want to mess with that.

01:19:34.000 You want to at least start from that point.

01:19:37.000 Because if someone does have an idea, at least they're starting from understanding how this is.

01:19:44.000 So their idea, if they have one, is rooted in this instead of being kind of arbitrary.

01:19:48.000 You know?

01:19:49.000 Does that make sense?

01:19:50.000 And then, so...

01:19:52.000 But it's great to hear that and also be asked to kind of be a soldier sometimes.

01:19:56.000 Sure, I'll play boom, [...

01:19:59.000 Because I'd love to hear all these puzzle pieces together too.

01:20:02.000 Right, right, right.

01:20:03.000 So you respect their idea, their vision, whatever it is.

01:20:07.000 You're just trying to help them realize it?

01:20:09.000 Yeah, sometimes it's like that, and sometimes I'm requesting that, and there's a way to communicate that that sounds exciting.

01:20:16.000 And you should, because it's a shame to be misunderstood in that moment, when really what you're saying is, oh my god, I have this idea, can we try it just like this for a start?

01:20:25.000 And once you're emerged in this understanding, your ideas… To better it will be based in understanding this.

01:20:32.000 You guys are very unique in that you don't sound like anybody else.

01:20:35.000 But that's the point.

01:20:36.000 Yeah, it is the point.

01:20:37.000 In fact, I always looked at that like, well, that's the minimum obligation, right?

01:20:43.000 Is to not, you know...

01:20:45.000 Not sound like other folks.

01:20:46.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 Men Without Hats 2. You know, it's like, what's the point?

01:20:51.000 You already have that.

01:20:52.000 You can dance if you want to.

01:20:52.000 I love that song.

01:20:53.000 It's a great song.

01:20:54.000 Yeah, it's great because it's sort of a challenge.

01:20:56.000 Yeah.

01:20:57.000 You can leave your friends behind.

01:20:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:58.000 You're like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:20:59.000 Why would I... If they don't dance to no friends of mine. 0.99

01:21:02.000 Yeah, like, sort of like drawing a dance line in the sand, you know?

01:21:06.000 It's a great song.

01:21:07.000 It is.

01:21:08.000 But also, those are the kind of two ends of the spectrum, right?

01:21:12.000 Mm-hmm.

01:21:14.000 Hearing someone's honestly and explaining yours honestly and asking for help to do that.

01:21:20.000 Well, your stuff is not just unique.

01:21:23.000 It's unique in itself.

01:21:25.000 Like, your songs are different.

01:21:27.000 Each song is different than the other songs.

01:21:30.000 There's not like a Queens of the Stone Age sound.

01:21:33.000 Well, I think there's a band called Ween that I love so much.

01:21:36.000 And early on, my first band, Caius, that was trying to sound like itself but singularly.

01:21:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:21:43.000 And I was feeling painted in a corner a little bit by the fact that it had to be in this mode.

01:21:48.000 And we toured with this band, Ween, who would play anything.

01:21:52.000 Do you know who they are?

01:21:54.000 They're so brilliant.

01:21:56.000 And they'd play, Mr. Would You Please Help My Pony?

01:22:00.000 Where you're like, what? 0.98

01:22:01.000 What the fuck is that about? 0.97

01:22:02.000 And then they'd play Riders on the Storm for 28 minutes. 0.99

01:22:06.000 And it was fucking incredible. 0.98

01:22:07.000 They never soundchecked it. 0.99

01:22:09.000 You're like, you just know this?

01:22:10.000 Whoa.

01:22:12.000 And what they were was free.

01:22:15.000 And then they did a country record with all these professional hired gun country.

01:22:19.000 And it sounded incredible because they were like, because we can do that.

01:22:23.000 Why can't we?

01:22:24.000 That manifesting what you love, period.

01:22:27.000 And so I just, from being around them and seeing things like that and then starting this Desert Sessions project, which is what I just put out, Recently, where it's just collaboration and it could be anything because it's not all you, you know, but yet it's you.

01:22:42.000 And so that's how Queen started, was like, what if you just played anything you thought was good, no matter what it was, and you let every song...

01:22:51.000 I had a friend of mine once say to me, you know, not every song can be your best.

01:22:56.000 And I just looked at him and I was like, why?

01:23:02.000 What is that?

01:23:04.000 I don't even know why that has to be a possibility.

01:23:06.000 Why not?

01:23:07.000 What if you see through those spinning locks through to the other side and a song could go there?

01:23:15.000 You should take it there, right?

01:23:16.000 I mean, that's what we're supposed to do.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:18.000 It's a weird pessimistic attitude, isn't it?

01:23:20.000 Like, not every song can be your best.

01:23:21.000 And it was like, oh, I see you're talking about, are you talking about yours?

01:23:26.000 Talking about yours.

01:23:26.000 Yeah, I see.

01:23:27.000 Do you remember how before the internet, there was a lot of bands that would put out a few hits on an album, but then the rest of the album would almost feel like filler.

01:23:37.000 Again, that's another thing where it seemed to me at one point, my hope was that, okay, in the spirit of trying to do something different, I call it On Supply, On Demand.

01:23:48.000 You know it's out there because it's out there.

01:23:50.000 What's not out there that would be interesting to hear?

01:23:54.000 Tell me what you don't think we need and let's start there, right?

01:23:58.000 For just trying to fill in the gaps and beautifully fill in the gaps of what's not represented.

01:24:05.000 And thereby having this limitless ability to play whatever you thought was right in the moment, as long as it was honest, then you'd be fine, you know?

01:24:13.000 And so that's always been...

01:24:16.000 I just...

01:24:17.000 I feel like it would be fun to try that.

01:24:20.000 So that's why it so jumps around stylistically.

01:24:24.000 But I do think people listen to whatever they think is good, and they don't care about genre.

01:24:30.000 Unless you're a teenager, when that's important to you, or that certainly was to me...

01:24:35.000 Why is genre important? 0.97

01:24:36.000 It seems like if you work at a record store, it's important because you're filing these under nose flute and the key of F. Yeah, I don't give a fuck about genre. 0.99

01:24:44.000 I give a fuck about good. 0.99

01:24:45.000 I mean, I listen to country, I listen to metal. 1.00

01:24:48.000 You have a taste vein, and if something runs over it with its truck tire, you go, hey, fuck, I'm in. 1.00

01:24:52.000 I'd love to lick that again. 0.99

01:24:56.000 I like a song where you can tell the band made something that they like.

01:25:01.000 Yeah.

01:25:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:02.000 Well, this is another thing early on when we left the desert and my first band, Caius, and we were so proud.

01:25:09.000 Like, we knew we sounded different.

01:25:11.000 We thought, this is cool.

01:25:12.000 And so you make records you love and you listen to them all the time because...

01:25:17.000 Because it's like, you're supposed to make your favorite music.

01:25:19.000 I mean, I was 15 years old.

01:25:22.000 What else was I supposed to make?

01:25:23.000 I can't wait to make the music I hate the most.

01:25:25.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:25:26.000 Right.

01:25:26.000 I just want to do weddings.

01:25:27.000 So you tour with these bands, and you're like, do you guys listen to your records?

01:25:31.000 Because we would be in the car on tour listening to our records and then play our records. 0.98

01:25:35.000 And they'd be like, I fucking hate that thing. 0.94

01:25:37.000 And I'd be like... 0.99

01:25:40.000 No, I said, do you listen to your own music?

01:25:42.000 Like, I couldn't understand.

01:25:44.000 What's wrong with playing your favorite thing you always wanted to play, but it's not out there, so you create it?

01:25:51.000 It seems like that's the job, actually.

01:25:54.000 And how can you love my stuff if I don't?

01:25:58.000 Right, right, right. 0.97

01:25:59.000 What are the fucking chances, like, 0.0? 0.99

01:26:03.000 Well, it would be such a prison. 0.99

01:26:05.000 Imagine if you created a genre that was super popular and people really loved it, but you fucking hated it. 0.98

01:26:11.000 I did. 0.51

01:26:14.000 My first band, this really wonderful thing happened.

01:26:17.000 The fans took over and they own it.

01:26:20.000 Because we stopped.

01:26:22.000 And so they took it over.

01:26:23.000 The fans kept it alive.

01:26:25.000 And some people gave it a name, Stoner Rock.

01:26:28.000 But to me, Stoner Rock was like Aussie when I was a kid.

01:26:31.000 Like the Aussie baseball shirts.

01:26:32.000 I wanted to be a punk rocker.

01:26:34.000 And it's like, those stoners over there.

01:26:37.000 So Stoner Rock, I was like, no, no.

01:26:39.000 And plus, I don't want to wear that.

01:26:41.000 I can appreciate anything that I like, so we don't need to call it anything, because I'll just like whatever I like.

01:26:49.000 Right, right, right.

01:26:49.000 You know, you could call it Jazz Rabbit, that's the style of music, and be like...

01:26:54.000 Fucking fantastic, but I just like what I like in that anyways. 0.84

01:26:57.000 Yeah, it's just a noise you're making to define it. 0.99

01:26:59.000 With your face.

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 It's Charlie Brown's teacher.

01:27:03.000 Oh, I love that style, actually.

01:27:05.000 It's like, who cares?

01:27:07.000 Like, I like what I like.

01:27:08.000 And, you know, you get flack for that stuff, for not, like, no, sit here, wear this.

01:27:15.000 And I understand, too, because it's good to feel part of something.

01:27:19.000 When you say get flack for it, how much do you pay attention to criticism?

01:27:23.000 Zero.

01:27:24.000 Good for you.

01:27:25.000 I haven't read about myself in over a decade.

01:27:29.000 That's amazing.

01:27:31.000 Way to go. 0.95

01:27:32.000 Well, the first time I did, I remember when I got a computer and I was like, sometimes I feel like such a dumb nuts.

01:27:40.000 I'm like, oh, you can talk to someone?

01:27:42.000 I'm like, Who's like into your tunes?

01:27:46.000 And I did and you know sometimes people like to bond over what they don't like and like and also they like to pretend it makes them feel better to pretend they have intimate knowledge of you Joe Rogan.

01:27:59.000 Well the thing about Joe is you see Yeah, what he does.

01:28:01.000 And it's got to be negative.

01:28:03.000 Always.

01:28:03.000 Oh, because it suggests that we're close enough to, I know his secrets.

01:28:08.000 You know, he puts on a good face for you, but I know his fucking Joe's secrets, man. 0.98

01:28:12.000 So the thing about Joe is, that's kind of an insecurity. 0.99

01:28:18.000 And so when I went on, I was like, oh, no, no, actually I'm doing this.

01:28:21.000 And they said, you're not the real the. 0.96

01:28:23.000 And I just let it be known, yes, I fucking am. 0.95

01:28:28.000 And then all of a sudden it was like, hey, Josh, how's it going? 0.95

01:28:31.000 And I thought, oh, my God, this is – what am I going to do, go door to door and correct people's perception?

01:28:38.000 Actually, what happened in 1742?

01:28:41.000 It's a waste of my time.

01:28:43.000 Well, you can see some people who don't have, like, a wise sort of perspective on the Internet getting wrapped up and doing just that.

01:28:51.000 Because they – See them responding to criticism and going after people and – You know what?

01:28:56.000 It's because they don't want to be blamed.

01:28:59.000 They don't want to be misunderstood.

01:29:01.000 I totally understand.

01:29:03.000 My wife has been one of my biggest inspirations ever.

01:29:08.000 And that thing that I really learned from her is like...

01:29:14.000 You can't blame...

01:29:15.000 When you blame someone, it's like saying to them...

01:29:20.000 When you point the finger, it's like saying, you're guilty!

01:29:24.000 Before you even have a chance to talk and say your perspective.

01:29:29.000 Nobody likes that.

01:29:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:32.000 Nobody wants to start by being blamed for something.

01:29:35.000 It makes you shut off immediately.

01:29:37.000 And now you have these disengaged people blaming each other and being mean to each other.

01:29:44.000 And again, if we're talking about doing what you like, I don't like that.

01:29:47.000 And I also have friends I really love that engage in that quite a bit, and it's a trouble spot for them.

01:29:53.000 And so instead of doing it myself, I try to look at that and say, ooh, I don't want that.

01:30:01.000 I love my music, and I try to make it as real as I can.

01:30:04.000 And I try to make it as different as I can.

01:30:06.000 And I accept if you don't like it.

01:30:08.000 But if you have a vinyl or if you have a CD still...

01:30:12.000 I love it.

01:30:13.000 If you don't, it's still a hell of a coaster, right?

01:30:16.000 It's not bad.

01:30:17.000 You know, I mean, it could be a worse coaster.

01:30:19.000 The art looks cool. 1.00

01:30:21.000 You know, I need to be okay with that and accept that shit. 0.99

01:30:26.000 Because otherwise, what I'm... 0.99

01:30:29.000 Please like it!

01:30:30.000 You're not looking at that review, right?

01:30:32.000 That reviewer is wrong!

01:30:34.000 You're dealing with unmanageable numbers, too, right?

01:30:36.000 Because you'd be interacting with literally thousands of people every day and trying to correct them, and then once people find out that all they have to do to get your attention is to be negative...

01:30:44.000 I've had moments of that before because I really have always cared about fairness and justice.

01:30:51.000 But especially in the last bunch of years, it's like I have to be okay with what I did for me. 0.95

01:30:59.000 And people don't really know what the fuck they're talking about and what really goes on. 0.68

01:31:05.000 But if my expectation is that I'm going to take everyone to a spot where this is what actually happened... 0.96

01:31:12.000 Right.

01:31:13.000 I'll be sad and disappointed.

01:31:15.000 You're also engaging people that don't want you to be a good guy.

01:31:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:20.000 So they want to go, fuck you, you just want us to think that. 1.00

01:31:23.000 Of course. 1.00

01:31:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:24.000 Of course.

01:31:24.000 And I'm actually kind of investing time and energy into like… No, but yeah, but no.

01:31:30.000 Right.

01:31:31.000 You're investing time and energy also into your persona or your public perception of you.

01:31:37.000 I don't have a persona.

01:31:38.000 I've had many times where, because of being, like, feeling...

01:31:46.000 Strange about things or angry about things or this.

01:31:49.000 I take them out on stage sometimes because I grew up watching bands like Iggy and all this stuff where sometimes you go see a band and it's scary and it's wonderful to be scared by it.

01:32:00.000 This music is like, whoa! 0.93

01:32:02.000 And everything that comes with it, it's so fucking real. 0.98

01:32:05.000 Look out! 0.97

01:32:05.000 It can actually drive you backwards. 0.97

01:32:07.000 That's exhilarating.

01:32:09.000 And also on stage, that's the place for that.

01:32:12.000 Out in real life, doing that while you're at the ATM, not so much.

01:32:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:17.000 But to cut your tethers loose and go, I don't know what I'm going to do tonight, which I have done many times and walked out there, but I will embody the emotion that I'm feeling right now. 0.99

01:32:29.000 And you can go ahead and take that shit to the ATM and deposit that because that's what's going to happen. 0.99

01:32:34.000 The problem is if you're not doing well, then that's how that works. 0.99

01:32:41.000 Yeah, you're going to feel that when you get out there.

01:32:43.000 But it is supposed to...

01:32:44.000 Well, I'm willing to do anything up there.

01:32:48.000 I don't know why, because I feel like that's the place.

01:32:50.000 That's why.

01:32:51.000 Because that's the place for it.

01:32:54.000 That's the art of it.

01:32:55.000 Well, it's also what you said that you enjoy the randomness of it.

01:32:58.000 Yeah.

01:32:58.000 I mean, I think that you're talking about manifesting.

01:33:01.000 If you go up there with that spirit, enjoying the randomness of it, then sometimes the spirit will move you in a direction that you didn't even expect, right?

01:33:09.000 Well, yeah, because you feel one with your actions.

01:33:14.000 So in the now, you have no choice.

01:33:16.000 Yeah.

01:33:16.000 And preparation, it's too late.

01:33:19.000 It's already done.

01:33:20.000 The preparation is over.

01:33:22.000 It's like a fight.

01:33:25.000 You're not going to learn anything extra until it's over.

01:33:28.000 You have to be in the moment there.

01:33:30.000 And I enjoy that because I enjoy that it's too late.

01:33:34.000 I love insurmountable odds.

01:33:36.000 That's all I need to do something is tell me, like, there's no way you're going to make it.

01:33:40.000 And be like, That sounds great.

01:33:44.000 Why do we have to worry?

01:33:45.000 We're not going to make it.

01:33:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:48.000 There's something to that.

01:33:51.000 But I also realized how...

01:33:55.000 I guess the manifestation aspect of this has gotten important to me again because it's what I did in the beginning.

01:34:01.000 And as I have these moments of being lost and feeling like I don't understand what's going on and wondering why, when really it's because of me, you know?

01:34:17.000 The best thing I can do, that's why the records have gotten so dark, because that's all I'm seeing, and it has to be real.

01:34:23.000 So it is real, dark, you know?

01:34:26.000 But there's a beauty in that, too. 0.99

01:34:28.000 But I don't want to make shit my new normal. 1.00

01:34:32.000 My dad's always like, don't get accustomed to shit. 1.00

01:34:35.000 You know? 1.00

01:34:35.000 Because it's like, once you get used to that, you're like, this is normal, right? 1.00

01:34:40.000 Is everyone cool?

01:34:41.000 And people you love end up going, no!

01:34:46.000 No!

01:34:47.000 It's not, you know?

01:34:49.000 And you go, wait a minute, but I'm so used to it.

01:34:52.000 I thought you were going to...

01:34:54.000 Hop in this jacuzzi with me.

01:34:55.000 The water's great. 1.00

01:34:56.000 It's shit. 1.00

01:34:56.000 Shit water. 1.00

01:34:58.000 And so I'm really, like, I'm so thankful to have, like, a great group of a family of artists that I get to collaborate with. 0.99

01:35:10.000 And, like, some great kids.

01:35:13.000 I got three of them.

01:35:13.000 Every time I go in a room, there's another one of them in there.

01:35:16.000 You know, there's so many fucking kids. 1.00

01:35:17.000 And my wife, who, like... 1.00

01:35:20.000 Really has the courage to help...

01:35:26.000 Has had the courage her whole life to go...

01:35:30.000 It's time to go.

01:35:32.000 It's time to do this. 0.66

01:35:36.000 Someone that has really inspired me to have a partnership like that is fucking rad. 0.56

01:35:45.000 Talking about someone that...

01:35:50.000 Has had a really rough beginning.

01:35:54.000 But never blamed.

01:35:55.000 Doesn't spend pointing the finger and blaming. 1.00

01:35:58.000 Because shit goes nowhere. 0.99

01:35:59.000 Some of the most interesting people in the world are the ones who had a rough beginning. 1.00

01:36:03.000 Yeah, because of the...

01:36:04.000 They develop coping mechanisms.

01:36:05.000 The pinballing off awful and getting to...

01:36:08.000 Yeah, they develop strength.

01:36:09.000 Well, and that's the other thing, is the strength.

01:36:11.000 The strength to go...

01:36:14.000 Right now!

01:36:15.000 And that strength is so...

01:36:21.000 Inspiring for me, it gives me strength through her.

01:36:24.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.

01:36:26.000 One of the things that I always like to talk to people that are famous about, just that word, you're famous.

01:36:33.000 I don't know if you know, you're famous.

01:36:34.000 It's a weird thing, right?

01:36:36.000 Being famous is a strange thing.

01:36:37.000 No one teaches you how to handle that.

01:36:39.000 No one teaches you what to do with that.

01:36:41.000 And no advice will help.

01:36:42.000 No advice.

01:36:42.000 No, because your experience is so...

01:36:44.000 Unique.

01:36:45.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 And it's a very difficult waters.

01:36:49.000 Yeah.

01:36:49.000 Do you enjoy that notoriety part of it at all?

01:36:52.000 It's fucking weird. 0.98

01:36:54.000 It's weird. 0.98

01:36:54.000 I find it very difficult. 0.98

01:36:57.000 It's hard to swim.

01:36:58.000 Yeah.

01:36:58.000 It's hard to stay in the lane.

01:37:01.000 And, you know, I think of the King of Comedy...

01:37:04.000 I was like, you know that movie?

01:37:06.000 De Niro, yeah.

01:37:07.000 Yeah, where it's like Jerry Lewis is walking in and she says, my son loves you.

01:37:11.000 Can I get an autograph?

01:37:12.000 And he says, I'm in a hurry.

01:37:13.000 And she goes, I hope you get cancer! 0.86

01:37:14.000 Yeah. 0.57

01:37:15.000 Like, it's unusual to deal with that twist.

01:37:18.000 Yes, yes.

01:37:19.000 And also, so much of the way I was raised to be private and things like that are looked at as like a diss now.

01:37:26.000 Or like, if someone says something bad about you, if you don't say something back... 1.00

01:37:31.000 You're a pussy. 1.00

01:37:32.000 Yeah, well, or that, like, when you don't... 1.00

01:37:34.000 People...

01:37:35.000 By not...

01:37:37.000 You're not...

01:37:40.000 You don't score any points by not defending yourself to the hilt in front of everybody.

01:37:45.000 But I just wasn't raised that way.

01:37:47.000 I was raised to be like, that's what you...

01:37:50.000 Well, there's also an issue in this day and age.

01:37:52.000 If you defend yourself against every single piece of criticism, you'll be lost.

01:37:56.000 You will not ever have a life.

01:37:57.000 There's numbers.

01:37:59.000 Again, when they know that you'll engage, you manifest them to come back for more.

01:38:04.000 Yes, sure.

01:38:05.000 This is the epitome of what we're talking about here.

01:38:08.000 And being able to recognize that, just have that understanding of where it clicks and you go, I can't focus on those things.

01:38:19.000 I have a beautiful daughter and two boys.

01:38:23.000 I have a strong, lovely wife who's an incredible artist.

01:38:29.000 I have this family of people.

01:38:31.000 How about them instead?

01:38:33.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:38:33.000 And not fucking Gary, who lives in Gary. 0.99

01:38:36.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:38:38.000 It's just Gary on Gary crime out there.

01:38:40.000 You know?

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:42.000 It's a weird lesson to learn, too, that in this day and age, this world is very different than it was 20, 30 years ago.

01:38:51.000 The access that people have to you.

01:38:53.000 Didn't you just grow up riding your bike around and be down at dinner?

01:38:56.000 Like, be back when the sun goes down.

01:38:58.000 Right.

01:38:59.000 Yeah.

01:38:59.000 And you're like, oh, you mean in forever?

01:39:02.000 It seemed like the days were so long.

01:39:05.000 And now these kids are like...

01:39:06.000 I know kids that would prefer to play a basketball game than go outside and play a basketball game.

01:39:13.000 And I always think... 1.00

01:39:16.000 I think you fucked up. 1.00

01:39:18.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

01:39:19.000 It's supposed to be the other way around. 0.99

01:39:20.000 The video game is supposed to be not as interesting.

01:39:23.000 And then you look at the commercial like, we're bringing people together.

01:39:26.000 Synergy. 1.00

01:39:27.000 And all this shit where you're like, fuck you, Facebook. 1.00

01:39:31.000 They're trying to sell bringing people together. 1.00

01:39:33.000 Exactly.

01:39:34.000 The entire world in one net.

01:39:36.000 I have three kids as well, and it's insanely hard, I think, to be a child today.

01:39:41.000 I think to be a young adult today, too.

01:39:43.000 I mean, the pressures that people have.

01:39:45.000 There's a book Jonathan Haidt wrote called The Coddling of the American Mind that Discusses the issue that kids are having today with cell phones and depression because of social media use and that especially girls.

01:39:56.000 So many girls are cutting themselves and self-harm, suicide's way up. 1.00

01:40:00.000 And there's a direct correlation between the invention of the smartphone and social media and all these things take place. 0.98

01:40:07.000 Such a dick move to call it a smartphone, too. 0.99

01:40:09.000 It is a dick move! 1.00

01:40:11.000 Because it's presupposing if you disagree, you must be some kind of dumb nuts. 1.00

01:40:17.000 That's so true! 0.99

01:40:18.000 I'm sorry, tell me why you don't like a smartphone.

01:40:20.000 Right, that's so true.

01:40:23.000 Yeah, well I know a lot of smart people that have switched over to smartphones. 0.99

01:40:26.000 I've noticed you have this shit in here, is it? 1.00

01:40:27.000 Oh yeah, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Is that okay? 0.99

01:40:29.000 Yeah, because I'm starting to have a little knickfitted.

01:40:31.000 No worries, man.

01:40:32.000 We got a little filtration system.

01:40:34.000 We can kick in a little.

01:40:36.000 I went to school with filtration.

01:40:37.000 Nice guy.

01:40:39.000 Have you tried at all to kick those things?

01:40:42.000 I did, but every time I have some type of terrible event, I guess I get my excuse back.

01:40:51.000 Right.

01:40:51.000 Yeah, it gives you something.

01:40:53.000 Come on, I'm always your friend.

01:40:54.000 Josh, come get a hug.

01:40:56.000 I'm the only thing that will hurt you later.

01:40:59.000 Is that a later?

01:41:00.000 What is later?

01:41:01.000 Is that even real, man?

01:41:02.000 It's taking two minutes off your life.

01:41:04.000 Those are the end ones. 1.00

01:41:05.000 Those ones suck. 1.00

01:41:06.000 Come on, bro. 1.00

01:41:06.000 Now. 1.00

01:41:07.000 Camel. 0.90

01:41:08.000 Ride the camel.

01:41:09.000 Well, and also, it blows my mind that someone goes to work at Philip Morris and has a good parking spot and the birds are singing.

01:41:15.000 I know.

01:41:15.000 And they're like, oh, hey, Sheila.

01:41:17.000 Hey, Gary.

01:41:18.000 And they go in and they're like, I want to talk to you about this high school campaign in Burma for sickies. 1.00

01:41:23.000 Like, are you fucking... 0.99

01:41:25.000 It's sort of akin to like... 1.00

01:41:30.000 One day I had this thought, which many people have had before me and many after, but realizing it myself that there's these brilliant minds that make these machines and craft the whole thing and put a button that a moron can touch. 0.98

01:41:46.000 Yes! 0.99

01:41:48.000 Boom! 0.99

01:41:48.000 A nuclear bomb goes off. 0.99

01:41:50.000 Who's the moron now? 1.00

01:41:51.000 Right. 1.00

01:41:52.000 You made all that shit and then you made it easy for this mouth breather to touch button. 1.00

01:41:57.000 It should have been complex calculus involved in pressing the button. 1.00

01:42:01.000 Certainly the Macarena would have to be face activated so that you kind of look like a dick. 0.99

01:42:07.000 Sure, if you want to blow this thing up, you've got to kind of embarrass yourself. 0.99

01:42:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:13.000 That's a great idea, actually.

01:42:15.000 You know?

01:42:15.000 That's actually a very good idea.

01:42:16.000 Well, a friend of mine sold a really killer house recently.

01:42:20.000 She's a real estate agent. 0.77

01:42:21.000 She sold this really killer house to this guy who's in the tobacco industry.

01:42:24.000 And we were talking about it. 1.00

01:42:26.000 I was like, wow, that guy's fucking... 1.00

01:42:28.000 Murdering people. 1.00

01:42:29.000 And just like, see you kids later! 0.99

01:42:32.000 Buying a badass house and slowly taking away people's health.

01:42:35.000 But I'm in favor of people being able to do it.

01:42:39.000 I mean, on both sides.

01:42:40.000 Sell it and buy it.

01:42:41.000 That's what's so strange is that somehow there's something inside me that hates rules so much.

01:42:49.000 Because before we wrote rules down, there was the sort of organic rules of like...

01:42:55.000 You know, living with people.

01:42:57.000 Once there's more than a few huts, people are like, alright, no yelling after two in the morning.

01:43:03.000 Do we all want that? 0.98

01:43:04.000 And no one fucks Gary. 0.99

01:43:05.000 He's eight. 0.98

01:43:05.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:43:06.000 Don't fuck Gary. 1.00

01:43:07.000 And then as more people come, those rules organically change and the old ones fade away. 1.00

01:43:13.000 But for me today, it's like, don't walk on the grass.

01:43:17.000 It's like, really the best part of this area?

01:43:19.000 What do you think grass is for, Gary?

01:43:22.000 You... 0.99

01:43:24.000 Don't walk in the grass is one of the dumbest things you could say. 1.00

01:43:27.000 What are you talking about, man? 0.99

01:43:30.000 I don't get it.

01:43:31.000 And also, you don't care.

01:43:33.000 So many times you see somebody and they're guarding a doorway no one will ever go in or out of anyways.

01:43:40.000 And they're just sitting there.

01:43:41.000 And that's when I'm like, do you want a water?

01:43:45.000 Do you want a Dr. Pepper? 1.00

01:43:47.000 That shit is great. 1.00

01:43:49.000 What do you want? 1.00

01:43:50.000 Because I think...

01:43:52.000 You don't care about this door.

01:43:54.000 I don't either.

01:43:58.000 Somebody does and it's worth $10 an hour.

01:44:00.000 Right, someone does that's never there. 0.99

01:44:02.000 That's why they care about it, because they don't know shit about that door. 0.96

01:44:05.000 Sometimes, yeah. 0.98

01:44:08.000 So I abhor things that make no sense like that.

01:44:11.000 I'll tell you an example of many times, you know, you record late into the night.

01:44:16.000 And you come to, at three in the morning, in the streets of the valley, you come to a stoplight, and there's nobody coming in any direction.

01:44:25.000 And then you're looking at the light red, there's no one.

01:44:29.000 I just go after I know it's safe because the function for this thing is now gone.

01:44:34.000 Right.

01:44:34.000 What am I supposed to listen?

01:44:35.000 I'm born to listen to the color reds commands. 0.99

01:44:38.000 I know, but then there might be like some fucking cop hiding. 0.99

01:44:40.000 There has been. 0.99

01:44:41.000 I've been pulled over four times.

01:44:43.000 Really?

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:44.000 What do you say?

01:44:45.000 Well, I said the same thing.

01:44:47.000 We're just two guys in the middle of the night who want to go home.

01:44:51.000 It was safe to go.

01:44:52.000 I shouldn't have went and I won't do it again.

01:44:55.000 The cop let you go?

01:44:56.000 Every time.

01:44:57.000 And plus he had to go through it to even catch up to me.

01:45:00.000 Right.

01:45:02.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:02.000 What are we doing here?

01:45:04.000 You know you don't care.

01:45:04.000 I don't care.

01:45:05.000 I just was trying to go.

01:45:06.000 I just want to go home.

01:45:07.000 Right.

01:45:08.000 And I won't.

01:45:10.000 I'm sorry.

01:45:12.000 You're a line stepper, Josh.

01:45:15.000 You're smoking cigarettes.

01:45:16.000 You're a rebel. 1.00

01:45:17.000 You're gold tooth and you're fucking tattoos and you're knuckles. 1.00

01:45:20.000 You're a goddamn line stepper. 1.00

01:45:21.000 You should talk. 1.00

01:45:22.000 I know.

01:45:24.000 It takes one to know one, sir.

01:45:26.000 I understand line steppers.

01:45:27.000 But I also understand that we can coexist and be really wonderful to each other and omit something that we both agree. 0.78

01:45:36.000 If we both say it's stupid and we still do it, the line is better. 0.97

01:45:43.000 Right, exactly. 0.98

01:45:44.000 Aren't you sort of, in a minimum style, obliged to even consider stepping out?

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:49.000 We need less rules.

01:45:50.000 What if it wasn't a line at all and it just like a piece of wood was laying there and then someone picked it up and someone was like, is that a line?

01:45:57.000 What if you're accidentally in a line that has no business being formed?

01:46:02.000 I think you owe it to yourself to at least take the minute and check that out.

01:46:08.000 If they came out with cancerless cigarettes that were real similar, that were just like right next to a cell, like almost indistinct, like that meatless burger.

01:46:19.000 I haven't had one of those.

01:46:19.000 Have you had one of those, Jamie?

01:46:20.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00

01:46:21.000 Have you had one? 0.99

01:46:22.000 Tacos with it, yeah.

01:46:23.000 You haven't had an Impossible?

01:46:25.000 No.

01:46:26.000 How is it?

01:46:27.000 It's probable.

01:46:28.000 It's so good.

01:46:29.000 Really? 0.99

01:46:30.000 Oh my fucking god, it's so good. 1.00

01:46:31.000 So it tastes like a burger. 1.00

01:46:33.000 Who cares?

01:46:34.000 It tastes real good.

01:46:35.000 Whatever it is, it's good. 0.97

01:46:37.000 I always thought the dumbest thing is fake bacon because you have no chance. 0.97

01:46:42.000 You should just call it Lincoln or something else away from bacon. 0.98

01:46:48.000 It can just be its own thing.

01:46:50.000 You don't have to be like, don't let bacon hear you.

01:46:53.000 But we're close.

01:46:54.000 Bacon's like, heard that!

01:46:55.000 No, you're not!

01:46:56.000 They haven't figured that out yet, but they have figured out burgers.

01:47:00.000 Yes.

01:47:01.000 That impossible sausage, I just horked that down like it's the...

01:47:05.000 What about an impossible cigarette?

01:47:08.000 I never even bite it.

01:47:10.000 Can they have an impossible cigarette?

01:47:12.000 If they did, though, my thought was people would still, like if they were really stressed out, they would want the real thing. 1.00

01:47:17.000 Because part of what they want is that, fuck you, I'm just gonna fucking smoke a cigarette. 0.99

01:47:23.000 You know, that's part of it. 1.00

01:47:25.000 It's kind of like chocolate in its own way.

01:47:28.000 It's like a grocer chocolate, I suppose.

01:47:30.000 But it's that, the thing you're doing you know is bad, but you're doing it, and part of you're doing it, it's like there's an acceptance.

01:47:37.000 Well, I blame Matt Dillon for my case, ultimately.

01:47:40.000 Really?

01:47:40.000 Matt Dillon did it?

01:47:41.000 Yeah, Over the Edge, you know, The Outsiders, Rumblefish.

01:47:46.000 Stay gold, Ponyboy.

01:47:47.000 It's like Young Tufts.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:50.000 You know, like...

01:47:51.000 Whatever happened to that guy, Matt Dillon? 1.00

01:47:53.000 He still does all kinds of shit. 0.99

01:47:55.000 I haven't seen him in anything. 0.99

01:47:57.000 You're not looking.

01:47:58.000 I'm not looking.

01:47:59.000 There he is.

01:47:59.000 Look at him.

01:48:00.000 Looks so fucking cool. 1.00

01:48:02.000 Dude, you don't want to fucking do that shit when you're like, I was like 12 years old, 11 years old. 1.00

01:48:07.000 Yeah, hanging out of his mouth. 1.00

01:48:08.000 Looks so cool.

01:48:09.000 I'm 11 and I'm like, what's cool? 0.99

01:48:11.000 Well, that shit is pretty cool. 0.99

01:48:14.000 Pretty fucking cool. 1.00

01:48:15.000 Look at him. 0.99

01:48:17.000 Cigarette, motorcycle jacket, big smile, beautiful face.

01:48:20.000 Woo! 0.99

01:48:22.000 Oh, you're talking about Matt Taylor or me?

01:48:24.000 Both of you.

01:48:24.000 But him on the screen, you right here.

01:48:27.000 I'm just kidding.

01:48:30.000 Cigarettes are a weird one, though, right?

01:48:32.000 But I think they should be available.

01:48:35.000 100%.

01:48:36.000 Just like I think whiskey should be available.

01:48:38.000 Just like I think pot should.

01:48:39.000 I put a post on Instagram today because Joe Biden thinks that pot's a gateway drug and he wants to keep it illegal.

01:48:45.000 Spoken like someone that doesn't ever smoke pot.

01:48:48.000 You know what it's a gateway to?

01:48:50.000 It's a gateway to like Doritos dust on your chest.

01:48:53.000 Well, there's people that say it's a gateway for them, but if you were a person who does meth, Because you smoke pot.

01:49:00.000 You were probably going to do meth anyway.

01:49:02.000 You probably needed meth in your life.

01:49:03.000 Well, I certainly think that at the end of the day, if they took that money and then put it into less fearful things that work, like talking about what drugs do and what you might be masking by taking them.

01:49:21.000 Yes.

01:49:21.000 Having an honest dialogue?

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 Everything seems like a dishonest dialogue.

01:49:25.000 Like, we're going to have a war on terror.

01:49:28.000 We're going to have a war on drugs.

01:49:29.000 We're going to have a war on this.

01:49:30.000 And it's like, can we start with a talk about it first?

01:49:33.000 No, I have to go right to war.

01:49:35.000 Have you ever listened to Gabor Mate?

01:49:37.000 I think that's how you say his name.

01:49:39.000 He's a doctor who speaks about drugs and addiction, and his take on it is that all addiction, almost all of it, the origin of it is trauma.

01:49:50.000 For sure.

01:49:51.000 Yeah, childhood trauma, abuse, things that have happened to you that were terrible, and that led to you trying to escape through addiction.

01:49:57.000 That's what I'm saying, blocking, making a dam, because you think that'll stop whatever, the river of pain, that you should just be walking along as it's a trickle and walking through.

01:50:06.000 And this is the current state of the art, you know, or the state of the science and the studies in terms of like psychologists and people that do counseling that understand human beings that have addiction problems.

01:50:19.000 So that's one of the more offensive things about someone like Joe Biden running for president saying that.

01:50:24.000 It's like, no, you haven't even done the work.

01:50:26.000 That's a photo op moment.

01:50:28.000 Like, yeah.

01:50:28.000 And in fact, because I've had so much experience with various things, I got more knowledge about it than he does.

01:50:34.000 Of course.

01:50:35.000 Because I've been through it.

01:50:35.000 Yeah.

01:50:36.000 And I understand why I would do those things.

01:50:39.000 And I understand how, essentially, it's just a Band-Aid over an amputee wound.

01:50:45.000 And what's really more important is to be vulnerable enough to engage somebody.

01:50:50.000 That word vulnerable, I was reading this book, it's called Darren Greatly by Brene Brommer or something.

01:50:56.000 It's really wonderful.

01:50:58.000 And even when the etymology of vulnerable, the word vulnerable, which is a place that's lacking armor.

01:51:08.000 And identifying that is a strength because you know where that spot is.

01:51:15.000 And that weakness is identifying that spot and doing nothing.

01:51:19.000 Right.

01:51:19.000 And so they're almost each a lens of the same situation, but just going in opposite directions.

01:51:27.000 Vulnerability is the opposite of weakness.

01:51:29.000 And I think you have to take a chance on people, and you have to take a chance on yourself, and not just be like, they're bad!

01:51:38.000 As if they themselves, it's sort of like I blame the devil for the things I do.

01:51:42.000 It wasn't me, it was the devil, you know?

01:51:45.000 How can you stand over a mushroom on the ground and be like, you're illegal! 1.00

01:51:53.000 Say you saw me do that alone and point at a mushroom and you were like 40 feet away, like you would go, the fuck is going on over there? 1.00

01:52:02.000 You're illegal! 1.00

01:52:03.000 I want these picked and taken to my house immediately.

01:52:06.000 Well, what's crazy is Paul Stamets, who was on my podcast last week, he's a mycologist, he's a mushroom specialist, and one of the things that he talked about was this one particular area in the Pacific Northwest where psilocybin mushrooms grow, and cops literally wait there,

01:52:22.000 people go to pick them, and then they search the people and pat them down and take the mushrooms from them and arrest them after they plucked something out of the ground.

01:52:31.000 Look at our numbers.

01:52:32.000 Yeah.

01:52:32.000 Like, what a weird service.

01:52:34.000 So fucking stupid. 1.00

01:52:35.000 Go for mushrooms. 1.00

01:52:36.000 We'll take you to jail for free.

01:52:37.000 What's hilarious is calling yourself an officer of the peace and doing that.

01:52:42.000 Peace of what?

01:52:43.000 Peace of the action.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, but I mean, there's so much peace growing out of the ground there.

01:52:49.000 You're actually arresting people for seeking peace.

01:52:52.000 I find that I don't want to ever get swept away.

01:52:55.000 In order to make my point, I have to run something up the flagpole of extreme.

01:53:00.000 The modern word I actually like is spectrum, because it feels like a gas tank.

01:53:06.000 Right.

01:53:29.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:53:30.000 Well, and why?

01:53:31.000 Because you're older than me? 0.99

01:53:33.000 Your parents fucked before mine did? 0.99

01:53:34.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:53:36.000 Okay, that's a great methodology for listening to somebody.

01:53:39.000 Yeah.

01:53:40.000 You know, I'm older.

01:53:42.000 And it's like...

01:53:43.000 And supposed to know more.

01:53:45.000 Well, we're also imprisoned by our language to a certain extent, especially with the word drug.

01:53:50.000 You know, because the whole time we've been talking, I'm on a drug.

01:53:52.000 I'm drinking this coffee, right?

01:53:54.000 So this is caffeine, and, you know, you've got your drug there.

01:53:57.000 You're smoking cigarettes.

01:53:58.000 That's nicotine.

01:53:58.000 No, I don't.

01:54:00.000 It's not even a drug, man.

01:54:01.000 Let it go.

01:54:02.000 But I mean, the concept of drugs.

01:54:05.000 Like, if someone sees you at the Starbucks cup, they don't say, oh my god, look at that drug user.

01:54:09.000 But that's clearly a drug.

01:54:11.000 I mean, caffeine affects you.

01:54:12.000 There's a reason why they sell Venti.

01:54:13.000 Because people didn't get jacked up enough on a tall.

01:54:16.000 A jolt cola. 1.00

01:54:17.000 Yeah, remember that shit? 1.00

01:54:18.000 Oh yeah, it's still here. 0.99

01:54:19.000 Do you remember Redline?

01:54:20.000 Remember that stuff?

01:54:21.000 No, that's...

01:54:22.000 Redline was a thing that people used to...

01:54:24.000 It was like a workout drink.

01:54:25.000 But people were dropping dead of it.

01:54:28.000 What a great name, though.

01:54:30.000 Red line. 0.99

01:54:31.000 Yeah, well, you were fucking Ridley. 0.99

01:54:32.000 Get the flat line. 0.99

01:54:33.000 You're hitting that 8,000 RPM. But it's, I think, is more than one serving, one of those little fucking cans, too. 0.99

01:54:40.000 And nobody reads that shit. 1.00

01:54:41.000 Of course not. 1.00

01:54:42.000 But it says four servings per can.

01:54:43.000 You're like, what am I, taking a sip and passing it around to my friends? 1.00

01:54:46.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:54:47.000 I love that that would be a necessity for a good workout, though. 0.99

01:54:50.000 Oh, well, it'll help.

01:54:52.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:54:52.000 There was some shit that you used to be able to buy that I don't think you could buy anymore called Ripped Fuel. 0.97

01:54:57.000 I remember one time I took it and went to jiu-jitsu class and I almost had a fucking heart attack. 0.99

01:55:01.000 I had to pull over to the side. 0.98

01:55:03.000 I had to sit on the side of the mat. 0.99

01:55:04.000 I'm like, dude, my heart is pounded on my fucking chest right now. 0.99

01:55:11.000 It's funny because... 0.99

01:55:14.000 Those types of supplements, people keep getting caught with tainted things and you go, really?

01:55:22.000 Who's making these?

01:55:23.000 Does that mean there's also yak hair in there too on accident?

01:55:27.000 Well, what it is, a lot of it is coming out of places like China.

01:55:32.000 We had an issue with that with my company, Onnit, where we were We sell this thing called AlphaBrain, which is a cognitive-enhancing nootropic.

01:55:40.000 It's a bunch of vitamins and nutrients that enhance the way your memory functions.

01:55:45.000 And we got it tested by a third party and found a bunch of stuff that was in there that was not supposed to be in there.

01:55:50.000 Like just random lunch meat? 0.98

01:55:52.000 No, extra vitamins and shit. 0.99

01:55:54.000 But what it is is these companies that create these vats. 0.99

01:55:58.000 Say if you have a supplement company.

01:56:00.000 So they're all in the same bowl.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:56:02.000 They don't clean the bowl out.

01:56:03.000 That's really what it is.

01:56:05.000 That's where a lot of these athletes get caught with trace amounts of steroids and it's just from a tainted supplement.

01:56:12.000 You really got to clean your bowls.

01:56:13.000 You got to clean those bowls.

01:56:15.000 I mean, I don't know how it works.

01:56:17.000 I don't know how they clean them, but it happens.

01:56:19.000 Apparently, no.

01:56:20.000 Yeah. 0.81

01:56:21.000 In some countries, in some companies, some shitty companies that sell a lot of, you know, they'll have steroids in it or Viagra in it or a bunch of other stuff.

01:56:28.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:56:28.000 You know, you're buying vitamins, you get bonus. 0.92

01:56:30.000 How are they cleaning that out?

01:56:31.000 It's like, they just have to pay two guys to just blow into the thing?

01:56:34.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:56:35.000 When it's empty, it's empty.

01:56:36.000 I mean, sometimes maybe they don't clean it at all. 0.99

01:56:38.000 They just dump it out, dump out what's in there, and then pour the next thing, and they don't give a fuck. 0.98

01:56:43.000 Well, I think, you know, really this whole conversation is very connected. 0.99

01:56:48.000 It's about the intention and engaging.

01:56:51.000 And...

01:56:54.000 Realizing there are no corners to cut.

01:56:58.000 Every mountain has a valley next to it.

01:57:00.000 That's the way it was formed.

01:57:01.000 That's the way it is.

01:57:02.000 Your deficiency, wherever that is, is almost like a flag.

01:57:05.000 Your talent is right next to it.

01:57:09.000 That's a really good way to put it for kids.

01:57:12.000 For a kid that can't pay attention in school.

01:57:14.000 I want to be a wonderfully engaged father.

01:57:19.000 It's something I love and it's something that as they traverse the ages and you have to keep adapting the stuff that worked when they were five don't work no more when they were seven or six.

01:57:32.000 When you've only had like 50 months, two or three months, that's a big chunk of those months.

01:57:41.000 And I... I think what I love about my wife, too, is that we're both like, how do we do this?

01:57:51.000 Engaged in that.

01:57:56.000 You're learning as they're learning.

01:57:58.000 And that can be fun, too.

01:58:01.000 Right.

01:58:02.000 Because, you know, how many times you catch yourself saying, like, getting upset about the perspective of a three-year-old.

01:58:08.000 Right.

01:58:08.000 Where you're like, but I'm not three.

01:58:11.000 Right.

01:58:11.000 Oh, I see why you're upset.

01:58:13.000 Because you're three, and so you think the closet actually has a monster.

01:58:18.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:58:20.000 Right.

01:58:20.000 Because I can get my head around that.

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:22.000 Let's talk to it.

01:58:24.000 Yeah, it's interesting talking to a three-year-old.

01:58:26.000 Like, my kids aren't three anymore, but the youngest ones are nine and eleven.

01:58:30.000 And I remember when they were three, you'd have these really weird conversations like, monsters aren't real, right?

01:58:37.000 And I'm like, well, monsters aren't real in terms of like, The monsters you think, but there's things that are just as scary as monsters that are, like a crocodile.

01:58:46.000 Crocodile's a real thing. 0.92

01:58:47.000 And then we would go to the internet and show them crocodiles like killing a zebra, which is probably not a smart thing for a fucking adult to show a three-year-old, but I wanted them to see. 0.92

01:58:56.000 It feels like you can't teach the abstract to someone that's not... 0.82

01:59:01.000 I love The Apprentice, the guild system so much.

01:59:04.000 Not the show, The Apprentice.

01:59:05.000 I love the actual, like, Cooper's barrels and stuff.

01:59:08.000 Those are things where you start by sweeping the floor, and you start by grabbing those rings over here.

01:59:13.000 All you're equipped to do is touch them right now.

01:59:16.000 Right, right, right.

01:59:17.000 And slowly work your way up to be able to put a barrel together.

01:59:20.000 I'm sick of touching them.

01:59:21.000 And then you think to yourself, oh, cool, only three more weeks of that and you should be so ready to do something else that you'll pay attention to what I have to say.

01:59:29.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:59:30.000 You start with nothing and you get a little bit until you declare, I'm sick of handling this because I fucking got it. 0.96

01:59:38.000 And then you go, okay, well, if you're that big for your britches, why don't I add one more thing? 0.67

01:59:44.000 That's one of the dangers of our instant access, on demand, Google this, instant answers, being able to stream this, press it anytime you want.

01:59:52.000 This society is that people don't understand the value of wanting something, pursuing it, and having a long road to accomplishing it.

02:00:00.000 The gift of nothing.

02:00:01.000 Yeah.

02:00:03.000 I feel really blessed to be from the deaths because there wasn't a thing to do.

02:00:09.000 And when you tried to do something, the police, the local police, because they had nothing to do, were like, probably going to drive over to a skateboard.

02:00:19.000 And you'd be like, why do that?

02:00:21.000 Why? 1.00

02:00:21.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:00:23.000 And so you plunge yourself into more esoteric locations and hobbies because of sheer fucking boredom. 1.00

02:00:32.000 Boredom is good. 0.99

02:00:34.000 Fucking amazing. 0.98

02:00:35.000 It's really good. 0.98

02:00:36.000 It's so important.

02:00:37.000 Taking the extra five minutes.

02:00:39.000 No, no.

02:00:41.000 That's why I don't play basketball, because I'm playing a basketball game that's already going on.

02:00:45.000 It's like, shooting's hard.

02:00:47.000 I get all sweaty.

02:00:48.000 Well, it's also, it's like you're doing something with your body and your mind, whereas you're sitting there just with a video game, just moving your thumbs around, engaging with something.

02:00:58.000 You're not going anywhere.

02:00:59.000 You're not getting out.

02:01:00.000 Well, there's something about the way those waves are which says you're in high anxiety.

02:01:06.000 You're in conflict.

02:01:06.000 You're in this.

02:01:07.000 You're doing all the things.

02:01:09.000 You're alive.

02:01:10.000 Your brain is doing everything that is associated with moving and getting in there and competition.

02:01:16.000 And your body has got Doritos dust on your chest and inside your belly button. 1.00

02:01:20.000 Yeah.

02:01:21.000 So it's the absence of connection between body and mind.

02:01:25.000 Which, when you're at your best, isn't your body and mind one?

02:01:30.000 Like the picture of this man who's climbing this giant majiggy, that wall? 0.97

02:01:34.000 Yeah.

02:01:34.000 Like, this is the moment to be engaged.

02:01:40.000 And both body and mind, because that feels good.

02:01:44.000 I reckon you just get depressed doing that, playing that all the time.

02:01:48.000 Some people do.

02:01:50.000 And some people love it, and some people become drone pilots.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, that's true too.

02:01:55.000 And one day it dawns on them what has occurred.

02:02:00.000 Well, they say that that's a severe source of PTSD. That a lot of those drone pilots, even though they're not physically there, a lot of them have pretty severe PTSD. Because one day that dam breaks.

02:02:11.000 And you feel yourself drowning.

02:02:14.000 And they understand the connection between their actions and what's actually occurred.

02:02:18.000 And the PTSD is that you are forced to go downstream and realize, like, the old way of me must be gone.

02:02:26.000 I must let that drown.

02:02:29.000 You know, otherwise you're stuck in the loop of...

02:02:33.000 Of that realization that you wasted time building a dam as if that were the coolest thing ever.

02:02:39.000 Instead of walking along the river and going downstream and dealing with the trickle as it should be, you know?

02:02:46.000 Hey, let me ask you this about cigarettes.

02:02:48.000 Have you ever tried vaping? 1.00

02:02:50.000 I tried for a sec, but it looks stupid. 0.99

02:03:01.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:03:03.000 Would you bring up that picture of Jimi Hendrix when he's vaping?

02:03:07.000 It doesn't exist.

02:03:08.000 Thank God you can't.

02:03:10.000 Could you imagine Jimmy Hedging one of those lunchbox ones? 1.00

02:03:13.000 Those big old fat ones with the robot dick in the end of it? 0.99

02:03:16.000 You're like, not Jimmy! 1.00

02:03:17.000 No, Jimmy!

02:03:19.000 Where it looks like a pump for pumping water out of a pool.

02:03:23.000 It's just like, harsh!

02:03:24.000 Yeah, what is that?

02:03:25.000 Why are they getting those big ones?

02:03:27.000 What's the benefit of those giant batteries?

02:03:30.000 I think it's just going all in and saying, I'm doing this so I'm doing the whole thing.

02:03:35.000 I'm doing the most.

02:03:36.000 Yeah.

02:03:37.000 You know, it's like what I see those motorcycle cars, which are two wheels up front and one in the back.

02:03:44.000 Right.

02:03:44.000 And I think, like, it's a bit like the Segway and taking it to the lamest thing you could all the way.

02:03:51.000 There's almost something...

02:03:52.000 The Segway is such...

02:03:53.000 Do those things handle better than a motorcycle?

02:03:56.000 I can't handle them.

02:04:00.000 No, well, certainly they're more stable because the two wheels are up front, but I'm not riding a motorcycle for stability.

02:04:06.000 You're not, but some people are, right? 0.94

02:04:08.000 Some people are the guys who ride those Hayabusas and shit like that. 0.92

02:04:11.000 Well, to each his own. 0.97

02:04:12.000 I don't ever want to stand in the way of my own joy, let alone someone else's.

02:04:17.000 But you like cruisers, right?

02:04:19.000 What do you got out there?

02:04:19.000 Is that a Harley or something?

02:04:20.000 That's my grandpa bike to take my gal to the movies or dinner or something and just enjoy her arms around my waist, you know what I mean?

02:04:29.000 And to go slow and listen to NPR on 20 or listen to...

02:04:34.000 Do you ever just drive with no music?

02:04:36.000 Of course.

02:04:37.000 Yeah, of course.

02:04:38.000 I have a Corvette, a 1965 Corvette.

02:04:41.000 It's got no radio in it.

02:04:43.000 It's one of the things I love about it.

02:04:44.000 When I drive that thing, I just drive.

02:04:46.000 Yeah.

02:04:46.000 That's why I like to drive back home to the Des because, you know, me just being me and experiencing what's going on is fine.

02:04:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:00.000 Sensations.

02:05:02.000 To me, it's almost like a form of meditation as well because you have to pay attention, like you're saying.

02:05:08.000 I mean, mine doesn't have a roof.

02:05:10.000 It's a convertible, so I'm feeling the air.

02:05:12.000 I see the stars.

02:05:13.000 And you have to look at everything around you.

02:05:16.000 Those cars, you really feel the road.

02:05:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:18.000 So if you run over a P, you definitely get Princess out and are like, I have a 67 Camaro I've had since I was 14. Oh, those are great. 1.00

02:05:27.000 It's my first car.

02:05:28.000 Oh, that's amazing.

02:05:29.000 You have your first car?

02:05:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:05:32.000 Goddamn! 1.00

02:05:33.000 And there's been times when I haven't done well or something. 0.99

02:05:38.000 I've had to sleep in it and all these things.

02:05:40.000 So we have this long relationship and it never breaks down.

02:05:44.000 It's always just wonderful.

02:05:45.000 We're wonderful to each other.

02:05:47.000 And you feel the road.

02:05:49.000 When you hit something, you're like, hey!

02:05:51.000 And so you're attached to it.

02:05:55.000 And I love riding in a caddy or something like that, too, where it's like you could run over multiple bodies and feel nothing.

02:06:02.000 But I enjoy the drive when I'm on the road, sitting on a seat with five wheels, one on my hand and four on the road.

02:06:11.000 It's a great experience.

02:06:13.000 My old man, for a brief second, had a 65 Corvette Stingray.

02:06:18.000 They're amazing cars.

02:06:19.000 The way that thing looks, they just nailed it.

02:06:23.000 It's very organic.

02:06:24.000 Yeah, they nailed it.

02:06:25.000 It's definitely taken off of a stingray.

02:06:27.000 Someone was like, ooh.

02:06:28.000 I don't know.

02:06:29.000 It doesn't really look like a stingray to me, but what it looks like is just...

02:06:32.000 It's that front.

02:06:34.000 There's that bit of that shaping, that inspiration of the shape to me.

02:06:38.000 I guess, yeah. 0.93

02:06:39.000 And I think I'm so always at a loss when it's like, if you could make something and you're going to ask everyone to help you, And we're going to grab all this shit from wherever we're going to grab it from. 0.52

02:06:50.000 Can we make it look cool or no? 0.89

02:06:53.000 Like, what is your aversion to...

02:06:55.000 Not everything has to look like an egg or a drop of water.

02:06:58.000 Right.

02:07:00.000 And if it does, can we do that, like, as cool looking as possible?

02:07:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:05.000 Mm-hmm.

02:07:07.000 It should look great.

02:07:10.000 Don't you feel good in that car?

02:07:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:12.000 It looks great.

02:07:14.000 To me, it's like you're rolling around in a piece of history.

02:07:20.000 1965. That thing was created in the early 60s.

02:07:27.000 Someone figured it out and put it together and then...

02:07:30.000 Made a production line.

02:07:31.000 And did the most important thing ever.

02:07:33.000 They said, this is where we stop.

02:07:35.000 We're good.

02:07:36.000 And they were like, this is what it looks like when it's finished.

02:07:39.000 A completed thought. 0.98

02:07:41.000 And other people were like, fucking good idea, man. 0.98

02:07:44.000 And I just, I have a 67, you have a 65. That doesn't mean there aren't things made today. 0.93

02:07:52.000 It just means I'm down with that idea.

02:07:56.000 It captures a very specific time in American history where they made these cars that were worthwhile. 0.73

02:08:01.000 Because when you go to 77, nobody gives a fuck about a 77 anything.

02:08:05.000 You know what I mean? 0.68

02:08:07.000 Who's buying a 77 Mustang? 1.00

02:08:09.000 Get the fucking thing away from me. 1.00

02:08:10.000 They all look like shit. 1.00

02:08:11.000 There's a lot of people selling them. 1.00

02:08:13.000 Maybe.

02:08:14.000 Well, I also think, too, this guy pulled up on me in a Prius that was quite new, and he rolled down the window and just looked at me and waved his hand over his nose, and he goes, Stinky!

02:08:25.000 No way, really?

02:08:27.000 Yeah, on Fairfax, kind of by the Whole Foods, there at Santa Monica.

02:08:32.000 And I just thought, this is my first car.

02:08:36.000 I haven't got another one, so you've probably gotten multiple new cars.

02:08:40.000 That's the only car you've had?

02:08:41.000 I had a Bronco.

02:08:43.000 Really?

02:08:43.000 And we have a family car.

02:08:45.000 Your whole life?

02:08:45.000 That's it?

02:08:46.000 I had a Magnum for a sec, but I never sold this car.

02:08:49.000 Wow.

02:08:49.000 The Magnum was great.

02:08:49.000 I can't believe you never sold it.

02:08:51.000 That is so cool that you never sold your first car and it was a 67 Camaro.

02:08:56.000 I've had a lot of experiences in there that were wonderful and some that were challenging and it's incredible to have that.

02:09:03.000 It's locked into that car.

02:09:04.000 Yeah.

02:09:05.000 Yeah, I mean, but it's the shape, too.

02:09:07.000 It's like one of the great, all-time, iconic shapes in automotive history.

02:09:10.000 That first one was like an attempt to be like, Mustang, schmustang.

02:09:15.000 Yeah.

02:09:16.000 And they really hit it out of the park.

02:09:19.000 67, 68, and 69. You can almost hear the Mustang going like, well...

02:09:24.000 Yeah.

02:09:25.000 You know, because it's beautiful.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 But I was thinking this guy, like, I see what he was trying to say, but...

02:09:34.000 He's probably bought a shit ton of cars, which is way worse for the footprint, plus batteries are made on three continents. 0.95

02:09:41.000 What does he think he's going to do, fix you by going stinky? 1.00

02:09:44.000 He's just being a twat. 1.00

02:09:45.000 He's trying to build himself up again by breaking me down, but like my grandpa always said, he didn't swear very much, but one of the things he was like, I'd have to give a shit for it to matter. 0.99

02:09:56.000 And I just kind of chuckled because I was like, thank God I ain't riding in the car with him, you know? 0.77

02:10:05.000 Because certainly he's going up to the next, like, Monte Carlo and is like...

02:10:10.000 Stinky! 1.00

02:10:11.000 Yeah, he's just going to do it all day. 1.00

02:10:12.000 He's on like a stinky parade.

02:10:14.000 He's driving around in a car that gets 50 miles to the gallon, just mocking everything with a V8. Yeah, but also like on a stinky parade, and that's something I don't want to float on. 0.88

02:10:26.000 It's a lot of negativity pumping out there.

02:10:28.000 Yeah.

02:10:28.000 But it's just weird to roll down your window and do that to people.

02:10:32.000 Well, certainly that's too much free time in my book, you know.

02:10:37.000 What's this?

02:10:37.000 Too much self-righteousness.

02:10:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:10:40.000 Stinky. 0.99

02:10:41.000 Stinky. 0.99

02:10:41.000 There it is. 0.99

02:10:42.000 Look at that one done up.

02:10:43.000 Woo! 0.99

02:10:43.000 Look at that bad boy. 0.99

02:10:44.000 Oh, well. 1.00

02:10:45.000 Goddamn, son. 0.99

02:10:46.000 If I could turn on my—do you mind if I turn this on? 0.99

02:10:48.000 I'll show you a picture.

02:10:48.000 Is that yours?

02:10:50.000 Mine looks— It says it's yours. 0.60

02:10:52.000 Is it not yours?

02:10:54.000 I don't think that's his. 0.61

02:10:55.000 Isn't yours black?

02:10:56.000 Or is yours silver?

02:10:57.000 Yeah, it's silver.

02:10:58.000 Is it like that?

02:10:59.000 It looks a lot like that, except I don't have those.

02:11:01.000 Actually, I used to have...

02:11:02.000 That's real close, but that's not it. 1.00

02:11:06.000 Ah, fuck you, internet. 1.00

02:11:09.000 But it's strikingly close. 1.00

02:11:11.000 For example, this has no door handles and no mirrors.

02:11:14.000 And yours does.

02:11:15.000 And mine does.

02:11:16.000 It also has a hood scoop from what seems to be a Corvette, actually, which mine does not have.

02:11:21.000 And those rims are much like the ones I had on my Magnum, but not what I have on my...

02:11:27.000 I think that's the hood from a 69-427.

02:11:31.000 I think the SS and the... 0.95

02:11:33.000 That's it right there.

02:11:34.000 There it is.

02:11:35.000 That's beautiful, man.

02:11:36.000 Yeah, and I'll show you what it looks like right now.

02:11:39.000 Because I ended up dropping a crate engine in there, which is...

02:11:44.000 A GM? Which one?

02:11:46.000 It's a Dyno blueprinted 350 with aluminum heads, so it weighs like 800 pounds left.

02:11:52.000 And it sounds like you're stepping on glass like in an endless Mazel Tov parade, too.

02:11:57.000 Because it's like...

02:11:58.000 Yeah.

02:11:59.000 Like, you know, like a glass and a hanky?

02:12:02.000 Yeah.

02:12:03.000 Glass pack mufflers.

02:12:04.000 Well, in truth, I tried to calm that down because as you crest 100 miles an hour, with the mufflers too loud, it's like, what?

02:12:14.000 It's a bit like being in a B-52 bomber for no reason.

02:12:18.000 Like, you know?

02:12:20.000 Yeah.

02:12:21.000 And let's see, my rides.

02:12:24.000 I'll show it if you don't mind there.

02:12:29.000 Because...

02:12:31.000 It's pretty, it's lovely.

02:12:34.000 When did you put the crate engine into it?

02:12:36.000 About five years ago, and what a great idea that was.

02:12:40.000 Oh yeah, changed the balance of the car, right?

02:12:42.000 Oh yeah, and it's got a new front and rear clip under it, so it's on rails.

02:12:46.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:12:47.000 You couldn't roll that thing if you lubed up the freeway.

02:12:54.000 Here it is.

02:12:57.000 And I got these hopster rims on it.

02:13:01.000 Ooh! 0.96

02:13:02.000 God, that looks good.

02:13:04.000 You know what's amazing about it is I get in that car and I take the kids to school or something and it's contagious because what happens is you feel really good.

02:13:16.000 As you know, you get in your 65 and you feel really good and you pull up with a smile on your face and go, Hey!

02:13:23.000 And it's a daily driver, this thing.

02:13:25.000 It's my daily driver.

02:13:28.000 That's a perfect rock star daily driver, by the way.

02:13:32.000 67 Camaro.

02:13:33.000 What it is is something that makes me feel really good, that is not part of a crisis.

02:13:39.000 Not midlife, not pre-life, not post-life.

02:13:43.000 It's just mine, and I feel like myself in there.

02:13:47.000 The kids get in there.

02:13:48.000 I have a five-point seatbelt, so you don't need a car seat because I have a seatbelt that makes a car seat look like you're doing okay.

02:13:54.000 Right.

02:13:54.000 It's a harness.

02:13:56.000 It's a harness with springs that like slip.

02:13:58.000 Anyway, so they can be in the car as it is.

02:14:02.000 Take them to school and kids go like, whoa!

02:14:07.000 And they get to get out in that.

02:14:09.000 And that's how they start their day.

02:14:11.000 Right, right, right.

02:14:12.000 It's like a little adventure. 1.00

02:14:13.000 That shit is tight. 1.00

02:14:14.000 Yeah, that is tight, man. 1.00

02:14:16.000 Like even being in traffic.

02:14:17.000 People are really nice to you, too.

02:14:19.000 They pull up and they go, yeah, man.

02:14:21.000 Most of them.

02:14:22.000 Some go stinky. 0.88

02:14:25.000 Don't forget about that guy. 1.00

02:14:26.000 You know, behind the ass of something cool is stinky. 1.00

02:14:30.000 Yeah, that's true, too. 1.00

02:14:33.000 So it's like, check out my ass as I take off. 0.99

02:14:36.000 But with a crate engine in it, it's got to do much better in terms of emissions. 0.99

02:14:41.000 Who cares?

02:14:44.000 You know, the fact of the matter is that the responsibility should be on these plastic companies and these oil companies that have negated their responsibility to, like, you shouldn't be allowed to just, like, shit into the air or the environment at a record pace just so you can make dough at the expense of everybody else.

02:15:02.000 Well, they had a different thing they just did recently where they did a satellite image of all the methane in Los Angeles.

02:15:09.000 And they were thinking, well, we're going to find out where all these toxic greenhouse gases are coming from.

02:15:15.000 And an exorbitant number of them were coming from landfills.

02:15:19.000 You know, just like steaming piles of stinky. 1.00

02:15:21.000 Steaming piles of shit is releasing terrible, terrible gas into the air. 1.00

02:15:27.000 We didn't even think about that. 1.00

02:15:28.000 I can't help but think that you couldn't take that, mulch it, and turn it into something that would power something.

02:15:34.000 I think they're eventually going to be able to figure that out.

02:15:36.000 You know, you're talking about the garbage patch.

02:15:38.000 There's a guy named Boyan Slott.

02:15:40.000 I love him.

02:15:40.000 He's great.

02:15:41.000 He's coming back.

02:15:42.000 He just emailed me again.

02:15:43.000 The Dutchman.

02:15:43.000 The young Dutchman.

02:15:44.000 Yeah, he's got a new one that he just installed in rivers.

02:15:46.000 So he's cleaning up these rivers in these third world countries that are, you know, extremely polluted. 1.00

02:15:51.000 And they're figuring out technologies to extract all these pollutants, and then you could actually make a commodity out of the stuff that they pull.

02:16:01.000 So like the plastic that he's going to pull from the ocean is going to be valuable.

02:16:05.000 It's going to be worse.

02:16:06.000 Yeah, it could be reused.

02:16:08.000 I think it would be a wonderful thing if we could agree that there's probably enough plastic already.

02:16:13.000 And to keep remaking more, new, probably is unnecessary.

02:16:18.000 Well, what's really unnecessary is using fossil fuel plastic, because there's biodegradable plastic they can make from hemp.

02:16:24.000 This has been, they've known this forever.

02:16:26.000 Well, hemp has been the wonder drug for so long.

02:16:28.000 Yeah, it really has.

02:16:29.000 I mean, the Constitution's written on hemp paper, and you tell someone that, they're like, well...

02:16:35.000 Well, I think it's the Declaration of Independence, but yeah.

02:16:37.000 It's the Declaration of Codependence.

02:16:40.000 One of the drafts of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp, but also the sails of all the ships.

02:16:45.000 Every ship that crossed the ocean.

02:16:47.000 Every great work of art is written on canvas that was made with hemp. 0.63

02:16:51.000 The soap, the clothes, and it doesn't fuck with the soil. 0.92

02:16:54.000 But I once saw you standing over that plant screaming, illegal! 0.99

02:16:59.000 Illegal!

02:17:00.000 Illegal!

02:17:01.000 Hey, dude, I've got to wrap this up, man, but it's been a pleasure to talk to you.

02:17:04.000 I've been a big fan for a long time.

02:17:05.000 Well, I'm a big fan of yours as well, and I loved your last special, Between Cats and Dogs.

02:17:11.000 It was so true, it was hard for me to watch.

02:17:17.000 Well, thank you.

02:17:17.000 Thank you.

02:17:18.000 And this Desert Sessions, is it available?

02:17:21.000 Yeah, it's available.

02:17:22.000 It's fine.

02:17:23.000 It's fine.

02:17:23.000 What is it called?

02:17:24.000 It's Desert Sessions 11 and 12. It's a series of music.

02:17:28.000 But if you want to, check it out.

02:17:29.000 And if you don't, that's fine. 0.99

02:17:30.000 Go check it out, you fucks. 0.99

02:17:31.000 Thank you, brother. 0.99

02:17:32.000 Appreciate it, man.

02:17:32.000 Thank you.

02:17:33.000 Bye, everybody.

02:17:35.000 That was great, man.

02:17:36.000 That was fun.

02:17:37.000 I really enjoyed that.

02:17:38.000 Thank you so much.

02:17:40.000 That's really cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 19, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1387 - Josh Homme

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