The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1403 - Forrest Galante

00:00:03.000 What's happening, brother?

00:00:04.000 How are you?

00:00:05.000 Hey, Joe.

00:00:05.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:06.000 It's great to be here.

00:00:07.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:07.000 I've been following your exploits on social media and the yellow caiman.

00:00:12.000 Yes.

00:00:13.000 Dude, that is a wild looking creature.

00:00:16.000 Isn't it?

00:00:16.000 It's unbelievable.

00:00:17.000 It was thought to be extinct.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, so this one, it's a little confusing.

00:00:21.000 It's a species that was last seen when the last one died in a zoo in the 80s, and because of the region that it occupies in Colombia, which has always been controlled by FARC rebels, nobody had been back down there to look for it.

00:00:33.000 And myself, and there's actually this amazing Colombian scientist named Sergio Riena, we're both kind of going and prodding and trying to see if we could get in, and we both found it within a month of each other.

00:00:43.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:44.000 Yeah.

00:00:44.000 Now, it's a beautiful-looking creature.

00:00:46.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:00:47.000 Right?

00:00:48.000 It's such a wild green-yellow color.

00:00:51.000 So wild-looking.

00:00:52.000 It's super unique.

00:00:54.000 Dude, you're just holding that thing by the neck?

00:00:56.000 Yeah, we just had a little wrestling match, him and I, so...

00:00:59.000 You don't even have body control.

00:01:01.000 Don't you want to take a mount here?

00:01:02.000 Maybe get a back mount, get some hooks in?

00:01:06.000 No, he was good at it.

00:01:07.000 You know, reptiles, they tire out, so they're not like mammals.

00:01:10.000 Once they expend all their energy, that's kind of it.

00:01:13.000 But yeah, absolutely amazing.

00:01:15.000 Are they similar to regular crocodiles with alligators in that they don't have to eat for like a year?

00:01:21.000 Yeah, so caiman, I mean, caiman don't have as slow of metabolism as certain other species, but they're a member of the alligator family, so to speak, and they can go very long times without food.

00:01:32.000 What a crazy animal.

00:01:34.000 Like, looks like a monster. 0.92

00:01:37.000 Yep, look at it.

00:01:37.000 I mean, look at the teeth on that thing.

00:01:39.000 Swallows things basically whole, just spins to take chunks off of things, swallows them whole, doesn't have to eat for a year, can go underwater for how long without holding its breath?

00:01:50.000 Like 40, 45 minutes, some of them.

00:01:52.000 Yeah, some species.

00:01:53.000 So you have no idea it's there.

00:01:54.000 Right.

00:01:54.000 It's just waiting for you.

00:01:56.000 And they're fairly small, right?

00:01:57.000 This is like a 90-pound animal when it's fully grown?

00:02:00.000 Well, these ones, it's so little is known about this particular species of caiman that it's hard to say.

00:02:05.000 I would say, yeah, 100 pounds is probably about right.

00:02:07.000 There's a great photo, Jamie, from the Nature is Metal Instagram page from yesterday.

00:02:13.000 That page is nuts.

00:02:14.000 I love that page.

00:02:15.000 I love it, too.

00:02:16.000 I love that page.

00:02:17.000 There's a great one of a jaguar with a caiman in its mouth.

00:02:21.000 That one. 1.00

00:02:21.000 Look at the eyes on that fucker. 1.00

00:02:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:23.000 Go expand. 1.00

00:02:25.000 Look at that!

00:02:27.000 The thing of nightmares!

00:02:28.000 Look at those fangs right in the throat, like just death grip. 0.99

00:02:32.000 And you can see that caiman is death rolling in that scene, right?

00:02:35.000 It's trying to get away.

00:02:37.000 It's rolling and that jag is just locked in.

00:02:40.000 The eyes on that thing, my god.

00:02:42.000 Unbelievable.

00:02:43.000 It's like nature has created, like in those kind of eyes, that's the perfect vision of terror.

00:02:51.000 Like those eyes.

00:02:52.000 Like if you're locked into those eyes, like there's no forgiveness, there's no emotions, there's just ferocity and aggression and death.

00:03:02.000 It seems like nothing but testosterone is behind that.

00:03:05.000 You know, I mean, testosterone is probably the wrong chemical, but it just seems so focused and motivated, and like you say, it looks like death. 0.99

00:03:13.000 Yeah, I'm sure there's some testosterone involved in that equation, too, but there's a bunch of other cat shit in there. 0.99

00:03:18.000 Literally. 0.98

00:03:19.000 And they have, apparently, the thing in the caption was saying that the caiman has one of the greatest bites per pound of any of the big cats, and they regularly eat these...

00:03:29.000 The jag, yeah.

00:03:30.000 The jaguar, rather, has one of the greatest bites, and they regularly eat these caimans.

00:03:35.000 Yeah, no, they're amazing.

00:03:37.000 And, you know, back to the one that we found, it's so great because, like, I'm the hide-and-seek guy, right?

00:03:42.000 Like, I look for them, and now there's this scientist, Sergio Riena, down in Colombia, who's going to manage that species' ongoing existence.

00:03:48.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:48.000 So, it's really cool.

00:03:49.000 So, what is involved in that, like, managing their existence?

00:03:52.000 What does he...

00:03:53.000 I mean, you know, it's wildlife management, so it's getting proper population dynamics, trying to understand them genetically, figure out what their food source is, figure out how much hunting pressure they can take or cannot take, those kind of things.

00:04:04.000 And that's not my department, you know.

00:04:05.000 I go in and look for them.

00:04:07.000 That's someone like Sergio who's in the field, lives in Colombia, can work with the species.

00:04:11.000 It's really cool.

00:04:12.000 I remember there was a documentary about this guy who was a scientist who was obsessed.

00:04:17.000 It was a biologist and he was obsessed with the giant sloth.

00:04:20.000 And he was spending all of his time down the Amazon.

00:04:23.000 He'd been down there for years.

00:04:25.000 And the documentary was following him at this stage where he was getting really frustrated and not sure if he's wasting his career.

00:04:33.000 Right. 0.98

00:04:33.000 There was this feeling like, fuck, this thing might not be real. 0.98

00:04:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:04:36.000 Because they were telling me, yeah, I saw it. 0.99

00:04:37.000 It was over the hill.

00:04:38.000 Yeah.

00:04:39.000 And he's like, you sure you saw it?

00:04:41.000 And they'd bring these people in, they would speak their native tongue, and they'd have this discussion of this thing that they saw two years ago, big like a bear.

00:04:50.000 Walks on its hind leg.

00:04:51.000 Megatherium, yeah.

00:04:53.000 We discussed this briefly last time I saw you, I think.

00:04:55.000 It's funny, we got straight back to the Save Wildlife stuff.

00:04:58.000 But yeah, no, it's...

00:04:59.000 Who knows, right?

00:05:01.000 Who knows if it's still out there.

00:05:02.000 There's definitely ongoing reports, so much so that...

00:05:05.000 I forget what university, but some university actually launched an expedition to try and find the megatherium.

00:05:11.000 Really?

00:05:12.000 Recently?

00:05:13.000 I'd have to look it up probably 10 years ago now.

00:05:15.000 Not that long ago, but if an academic institution is putting resources behind an expedition like that, there's a lot of faith and maybe even intel that they're not releasing publicly to say this animal's still here.

00:05:27.000 Wow.

00:05:28.000 That would be crazy.

00:05:29.000 Wouldn't it?

00:05:30.000 How big was a giant sloth?

00:05:31.000 Well, there's a couple varieties.

00:05:33.000 There was a North American one that was enormous, like bigger than a grizzly bear.

00:05:37.000 From what I've heard, what I've read, you're talking about something that stands 14 foot tall walking around the Amazons like this. 1.00

00:05:45.000 14 foot tall, like bigger than a Kodiak grizzly.

00:05:48.000 That's what the reports say.

00:05:51.000 You've got to take everything with a grain of salt.

00:05:53.000 Exactly.

00:05:53.000 I mean, you've got to take their existence with a grain of salt.

00:05:56.000 But this page, whatever this page is, a Bigfoot cousin? 0.99

00:05:59.000 What the fuck is this page? 0.87

00:06:00.000 And look up there. 0.99

00:06:01.000 Megalodon sightings.

00:06:02.000 Is the Megalodon shark still alive?

00:06:04.000 Yeah.

00:06:05.000 And straight away, that's discrediting.

00:06:07.000 You're like, okay.

00:06:09.000 What is this website you pull up there?

00:06:11.000 There's an article from June about just lots of information about them.

00:06:15.000 It's not even saying it exists.

00:06:17.000 It's just saying this is all the information we have about this Mapinguari sightings.

00:06:23.000 People love finding Like, undiscovered or mythical creatures that turn out to be, like the Tasmanian tiger.

00:06:31.000 Right.

00:06:31.000 Like, that's a perfect example.

00:06:33.000 Like, people, they love to try to find, what is it, thylacine?

00:06:37.000 Thylacine, yep.

00:06:37.000 People love to try to find that thing.

00:06:39.000 Like, the idea that it's out there, it's like, what is it about people where it's so compelling to find a species that we thought didn't exist or we thought was extinct, like, whether it's Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster or the thylacine, which we know used to be real.

00:06:55.000 Right, right.

00:06:56.000 I mean, what do you think?

00:06:58.000 I think that people, you know, they long for the unknown and there's this big question mark surrounding cryptids or surrounding extinct animals as to whether it's still out there and that's so much more inviting to the general perspective.

00:07:11.000 To the general populace to get an answer to than knowing, oh, you know, there's 700 of them left and we're trying to get them up to 1,400 or whatever the species dynamic is for some other animal as opposed to being like, there could be one out there.

00:07:23.000 Where is it?

00:07:24.000 And I personally, I've been on two different expeditions looking for thylacine.

00:07:28.000 Really?

00:07:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:29.000 I did one in northern Australia, up north of Cairns, and then one I spent a couple weeks in Tasmania with an amazing biologist, Nick Mooney, who, he's adamant that he's seen thylacine.

00:07:40.000 And he's a biologist.

00:07:41.000 This isn't, you know, someone who worked as a biologist that was out in the wilderness going, yeah, yeah, I've seen thylacine.

00:07:47.000 And he was terrified to tell everybody.

00:07:49.000 And that tells me that...

00:07:52.000 It's more credible, right?

00:07:53.000 If you're scared to tell people because of your reputation, as opposed to going out there going, I saw it, I saw it, I saw it, that becomes more credible than the people who are just waving their arms in the air going, I told you it's here.

00:08:04.000 When did he come out of the thylacine closet? 0.98

00:08:06.000 Like, were you scared to tell people?

00:08:08.000 When did he go, oh god, I gotta go public with this.

00:08:11.000 I'm not sure if he told us first, or if it was public right before then, but not long ago.

00:08:18.000 I mean, maybe ten years ago.

00:08:19.000 That is such a cool looking animal too because it's a marsupial tiger, right?

00:08:24.000 Yeah.

00:08:24.000 Or a marsupial predator.

00:08:26.000 It's like a marsupial wolf with tiger stripes.

00:08:29.000 It's so bizarre and it had this amazing jaw that would open like a snake.

00:08:34.000 It's like way wider than its head should.

00:08:36.000 Stripes on the back.

00:08:37.000 Just such a cool animal.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, and the last one died in a zoo, right?

00:08:42.000 The last one that we think.

00:08:43.000 Yep, in Hobart, in Tasmania.

00:08:45.000 Wow.

00:08:45.000 But, let me lay this on you.

00:08:47.000 So, my next expedition for that animal, because I'm like all those other people that are kind of obsessed with it, my next expedition for that animal is to Papua New Guinea.

00:08:56.000 So, this species, yeah, that's right.

00:08:59.000 This species used to range all the way from Papua New Guinea down through mainland Australia and into Tasmania.

00:09:06.000 When people came over and settled that area, they brought with them dogs, dingoes, and dingoes out-competed them in mainland Australia and possibly in Papua New Guinea 4,000 years ago, but the thylacine remained in Tasmania where there are no dingoes to out-compete them.

00:09:21.000 But in mainland Australia, you've got a diversity of habitats, so there are places the thylacine could still hide.

00:09:27.000 But in Papua New Guinea, the terrain is so crazy that the idea is that in certain regions, dingoes could have never made it there.

00:09:34.000 So perhaps there's these isolated regions where very small thylacine populations continued for the past 4,000 years.

00:09:41.000 Have there been sightings?

00:09:42.000 Many.

00:09:43.000 But just the same kind of sightings as a giant sloth.

00:09:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:46.000 It's all hearsay. 1.00

00:09:47.000 People are so full of shit. 1.00

00:09:48.000 Yes, they are. 1.00

00:09:49.000 It's such a problem if you're going to be a guy like you looking for species. 1.00

00:09:55.000 You've got to wade through so much bullshit. 0.99

00:09:59.000 And it's funny because one thing can discredit the entire story. 0.99

00:10:03.000 That maybe it shouldn't because they're embellishing.

00:10:06.000 Or you can be on the hook for someone's story and be like, I totally believe this guy.

00:10:09.000 It's all real.

00:10:10.000 And it could be complete BS. And it's just so hard to tell.

00:10:13.000 You just have to go with instinct.

00:10:15.000 Oh, God.

00:10:17.000 But it is incredibly compelling.

00:10:19.000 I mean, if you really did get an absolute photograph of a thylacine and you knew it was real or captured one.

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 I think it would be the discovery of the century.

00:10:31.000 And I think it would kind of...

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 Well, the whole environment in Australia is so strange.

00:10:56.000 And now, because of the wildfires, you know, there's a lot of species.

00:11:00.000 Like, we were just talking the other day about the koala bears.

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:03.000 That the koala bears, a lot of their habitat got burnt in a lot of these fires.

00:11:07.000 It's really sad.

00:11:08.000 Really sad.

00:11:08.000 You see these koala bears are on fire.

00:11:10.000 And they're, like, losing their fur.

00:11:11.000 It's awful.

00:11:12.000 They're such a little cute little animal.

00:11:14.000 They are. 1.00

00:11:15.000 And I don't have a lot of first-hand experience with them, but my understanding is they're actual jerks. 1.00

00:11:19.000 They're really cute and cuddly looking, but their behavior is pretty aggressive and jerkish. 0.99

00:11:25.000 And I don't know enough about them to really comment on it, but my understanding is it's kind of like sea otters, right?

00:11:30.000 Do you know about this thing with sea otters?

00:11:31.000 What about them?

00:11:32.000 So everybody loves sea otters.

00:11:34.000 They're so cute.

00:11:35.000 They're so cuddly.

00:11:36.000 Sea otters are super destructive. 0.97

00:11:37.000 They rape each other. 0.90

00:11:39.000 They're like gnarly animals. 1.00

00:11:41.000 They're not that sweet at all.

00:11:44.000 Isn't that the thing with pandas, too?

00:11:45.000 Like, pandas are ruthless?

00:11:46.000 Yeah, totally.

00:11:47.000 But you look at them and you're like, oh, I want to cuddle it.

00:11:50.000 A little sweetie pie.

00:11:53.000 My youngest daughter is really into polar bears.

00:11:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:56.000 These polar bears are adorable.

00:11:57.000 And she wanted to get, like, a stuffed polar bear.

00:12:00.000 And I find it so fascinating that that animal, which is the most ruthless of all bears.

00:12:06.000 For sure.

00:12:06.000 We associate with Klondike bars and Coker.

00:12:09.000 It's everybody's buddy, and they're sliding around in the snow.

00:12:13.000 I almost want to show her.

00:12:16.000 This is what they do to seals.

00:12:18.000 Right.

00:12:18.000 Go up there and just watch one.

00:12:20.000 Just show a video.

00:12:22.000 I want to show her.

00:12:23.000 I know she's not looking at that picture.

00:12:26.000 There's this image of this seal, and they all have red faces from...

00:12:31.000 Blood.

00:12:32.000 Did they ever figure out that one polar bear that was in Russia that had been sprayed, it said like T-34 on it?

00:12:39.000 You see it in that image right there?

00:12:41.000 See that one, Jamie?

00:12:43.000 I don't know about that.

00:12:44.000 Right there.

00:12:45.000 Someone had spray painted T and the number 34 on the side of a bear's body and they don't know what happened.

00:12:53.000 That's extremely ballsy to spray paint a polar bear.

00:12:56.000 How do they do it?

00:12:57.000 And then the real concern is that this bear is going to have a real hard time hunting because they're going to be able to see it much better because of the fact that it has the spray paint on the side of it.

00:13:08.000 I've never seen this story before.

00:13:10.000 It's really interesting.

00:13:11.000 They have no idea what happened.

00:13:13.000 Here it is.

00:13:13.000 Russian scientists search for polar bear with black T-34 spray painted on its side.

00:13:18.000 Cruel joke.

00:13:19.000 Can turn deadly for a predator now too visible for both prey and poachers.

00:13:24.000 Right.

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 Do they have a hard time with...

00:13:26.000 They have a real issue with certain towns in Siberia that are like on the outskirts where polar bears are invading.

00:13:33.000 And they have like dozens of polar bears entering their towns.

00:13:37.000 They've even evacuated towns because of so many polar bears being there from what I've heard.

00:13:42.000 Yeah.

00:13:43.000 Would you imagine just having an army of polar bears roll into town?

00:13:46.000 You know, you have a town of like 150 people and in come eight polar bears one day.

00:13:50.000 It's like, what can you do?

00:13:52.000 It's nothing.

00:13:53.000 You've got to get out. 1.00

00:13:54.000 You're either going to kill them, you're going to shoot them with rifles, or you're going to get out. 1.00

00:13:56.000 Right. 1.00

00:13:57.000 You probably should just get out.

00:13:58.000 Yeah, you should get out.

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 I mean, polar bears are a strange animal.

00:14:02.000 Bears in general are a strange animal because people love them because we grew up with teddy bears.

00:14:06.000 And we see Yogi, and they're so lovable on television and in the movies.

00:14:12.000 And so people have this idea of them, like they want to take bear selfies.

00:14:15.000 Like, hey, take a bear selfie.

00:14:17.000 How many people get jacked taking bear selfies?

00:14:19.000 Yeah, no, that's a real thing.

00:14:21.000 I have been contacted by people being like, hey, why don't you not pose with wildlife because it's influencing other people to do that.

00:14:28.000 I'm like, I'm a biologist.

00:14:29.000 This is my job.

00:14:30.000 I don't have another option here.

00:14:31.000 Like, I have to pose with wildlife.

00:14:33.000 Like, I'm working with it.

00:14:35.000 You're supposed to.

00:14:36.000 You are the guy.

00:14:37.000 I'm the guy.

00:14:38.000 Supposed to take pictures.

00:14:39.000 Right.

00:14:39.000 Like, maybe instead don't do what I do.

00:14:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:43.000 Don't just jump out and try to get a selfie with something that's going to kill you.

00:14:46.000 Like, it's common sense.

00:14:47.000 Yeah, that whole idea of, like...

00:14:50.000 What you're doing is influencing people to do the same thing.

00:14:54.000 Like, alright.

00:14:55.000 Well, you know, come on.

00:14:57.000 I think it's nuts.

00:14:58.000 I mean, you know, how many pages on Instagram are there where people are chugging vodka and jumping off roofs and slamming tables and all this other stuff?

00:15:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:05.000 Is everybody looking at that being like, hey, I'm going to jump off a roof onto a table?

00:15:08.000 Yeah, there's so many of those pages.

00:15:10.000 There's so many of those videos.

00:15:11.000 Right.

00:15:12.000 People breaking their legs, jumping off balconies.

00:15:14.000 Like, oh.

00:15:15.000 Just don't do it.

00:15:15.000 Yeah.

00:15:16.000 I think it's probably good to see people do stupid shit so that you don't do it. 1.00

00:15:20.000 Right. 1.00

00:15:20.000 Yeah, and I got the scars to prove it, you know? 1.00

00:15:23.000 There's shots of me getting bitten by sharks and all this other stuff.

00:15:25.000 I was like, this is why you don't do it.

00:15:27.000 You've been bitten by a shark?

00:15:28.000 Just this year, I mean, it's pretty minor, but just this year I took a single tooth from a lemon shark while I was working in the field with one.

00:15:35.000 Dude, let me see that. 1.00

00:15:37.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:15:38.000 It's on my Instagram page, I think. 1.00

00:15:40.000 You can pull it up.

00:15:40.000 What's the scar below it?

00:15:42.000 Oh, that's not a scar.

00:15:42.000 I burned myself cooking crab last night on a pot.

00:15:45.000 I should have only rolled this shirt down a year.

00:15:48.000 Or made up a better story.

00:15:50.000 Dude, I burned the top of my foot cooking spaghetti.

00:15:54.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:15:54.000 I was moving the...

00:15:55.000 I'm such a moron. 1.00

00:15:57.000 I was cooking barefoot. 1.00

00:15:59.000 I was moving the boiling water with the spaghetti in it to the sink, you know, to put it in the strainer, and I spilled it on the top of my foot. 0.98

00:16:07.000 And I had to keep my shit together because I was holding the pot. 1.00

00:16:10.000 I was like, fuck! 1.00

00:16:11.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:16:11.000 And then I poured it in there, and then we were going to Hawaii the next day. 1.00

00:16:16.000 So while I was in Hawaii, I had to have ointment over the top of my foot, a bandage on it, and I went into the ocean with my chucks on.

00:16:24.000 One of my Converse All-Stars in the ocean.

00:16:26.000 I was like, look, I have to cover it.

00:16:28.000 I'll just do this, and then I'll just clean it after I go in.

00:16:31.000 I'm like, I'm not going to not go in the ocean, man. 0.98

00:16:33.000 I'm in fucking Hawaii. 0.98

00:16:34.000 I'm like, if it gets infected, I'll figure that out. 0.99

00:16:36.000 But how cool did you look going in the ocean with your chucks on? 0.99

00:16:39.000 I look like a loser. 0.84

00:16:40.000 The next day, they had some sort of an issue with bacteria in the water where they told people to get out of the water. 0.98

00:16:50.000 Great.

00:16:50.000 And you've got an open wound.

00:16:51.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 It's never open, fortunately.

00:16:55.000 It's just the skin over it.

00:16:58.000 It was all totally red, and then the skin over it bubbled, and then it eventually, after a while, it healed and scratched.

00:17:07.000 Now I just have a big, giant red mark.

00:17:08.000 So that's when you got bit.

00:17:09.000 Thank you, smiley face.

00:17:11.000 That was kind of funny.

00:17:12.000 Oh, look, I got bit. 1.00

00:17:13.000 Well, it was totally my fault, and I was being an idiot. 1.00

00:17:16.000 What happened? 0.99

00:17:17.000 We were working off the back of the boat.

00:17:19.000 We had all these lemon sharks around, and we were working to get tiger sharks.

00:17:23.000 And I just dropped my guard for a second, and as I looked back to where my hand was in the water, I saw the shark coming like that.

00:17:31.000 And I just pulled my arm back, and I literally just clipped a single tooth.

00:17:34.000 But I think if it had been a fraction of a second later, that would have been the hand. 1.00

00:17:38.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:17:40.000 How big was the shark? 1.00

00:17:42.000 It's probably the next page over.

00:17:44.000 It's probably an 8-foot shark, so it would have got me, and I was lucky it just...

00:17:47.000 Oh my god, dude.

00:17:48.000 You could have lost your arm.

00:17:49.000 For sure.

00:17:50.000 This is a tiger shark, but this is pretty cool nonetheless.

00:17:53.000 Don't they have Kevlar suits that sharks can't bite through?

00:17:56.000 They do.

00:17:58.000 Why don't you wear that everywhere you go?

00:17:59.000 That's a good question.

00:18:00.000 You should wear that when you go to the mall.

00:18:03.000 I'd look about as cool as you with your Converse in the ocean.

00:18:07.000 Well, you couldn't see the covers until I got out of the ocean.

00:18:09.000 That's true.

00:18:09.000 You can see my Kevlar in the mall no matter where you are.

00:18:13.000 No, I don't know.

00:18:14.000 I don't like anything that inhibits the movement like that.

00:18:17.000 Does that stuff inhibit, the Kevlar stuff?

00:18:19.000 I've never worn it.

00:18:20.000 Is that it?

00:18:20.000 Yeah, it's those sharks behind, and that's the situation I was in.

00:18:23.000 I was on the back of the boat like that.

00:18:26.000 Apparently Catalina, like off Catalina, there's a high shark population.

00:18:29.000 Yeah, white sharks.

00:18:30.000 And they're increasing every year.

00:18:32.000 Really?

00:18:32.000 Mm-hmm.

00:18:33.000 Why?

00:18:34.000 Well, because we used to hunt them, first of all, and we used to hunt seals and sea lions as well.

00:18:38.000 And that's all been banned for a long time.

00:18:41.000 So there's way more seals and sea lions now, and there's more sharks reproducing.

00:18:44.000 And I think there's something to be said for them, the water being consistently warmer, And them staying further north than they used to as well.

00:18:53.000 Or south, depending on which way they're going.

00:18:56.000 But, like, where I live in Santa Barbara, there's this single bay where my buddy and I have been going for the last four years, and it's only for, like, three, four weeks in the summertime that there's, like...

00:19:09.000 Six to eight juvenile great white sharks around.

00:19:11.000 And when we started going there four years ago, they were like six feet long.

00:19:14.000 And then the next year, they were like eight feet long.

00:19:16.000 This year, I didn't go because I was traveling, but my buddy went and filmed them.

00:19:20.000 He's like, dude, they're getting up to like 10 feet.

00:19:22.000 And it's the same animals in the same spot.

00:19:25.000 What happens when those are like 14 foot animals?

00:19:27.000 It's a very popular swimming beach.

00:19:29.000 Oh! 0.60

00:19:30.000 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 So who knows?

00:19:31.000 Maybe they'll move on.

00:19:32.000 Maybe they won't.

00:19:33.000 Maybe they eat people.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:35.000 Well, someone got eaten in Santa Barbara a few years back, right?

00:19:39.000 I believe a surfer.

00:19:41.000 There's a Pismo Beach one.

00:19:41.000 I don't know about Santa Barbara.

00:19:43.000 Possibly.

00:19:43.000 It happens.

00:19:43.000 It's like once a year, you know, there's some kind of attack, a bite.

00:19:47.000 Usually in October, around lobster season or when the swells start to pick up, somebody gets chomped somewhere.

00:19:53.000 Why is it around then?

00:19:54.000 I think October, I'd have to check on their ecology.

00:19:56.000 I think it's right around when they start breeding, so they're a little fueled up.

00:20:00.000 But October is also when lobster season starts, so all the freedivers are freediving in and out of caves, looking like a seal.

00:20:07.000 The waves start to kick in for the winter swell, so you've got more people on surfboards.

00:20:10.000 It just seems like the perfect cocktail of timing for Miss ID. That makes sense. 0.90

00:20:16.000 Yeah.

00:20:16.000 That makes sense.

00:20:17.000 It's...

00:20:19.000 It's such a beautiful creature, and it's so cool that they're there, but it's also, you're like, this thing can kill people, and it's right there, and we go in the water, and we swim around, and we're like, yay!

00:20:32.000 We're so helpless out there.

00:20:34.000 Completely.

00:20:35.000 And I think that's just the, you just have to know that going into it, right?

00:20:39.000 It's not like you're going to, you know, kiss your life goodbye every time you get in the ocean, but...

00:20:43.000 Jamie, you're playing some audio...

00:20:46.000 It's not should be coming out, but...

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:20:48.000 What is it from?

00:20:49.000 That shark attack in Santa...

00:20:50.000 It's not...

00:20:50.000 This was two years ago.

00:20:51.000 This guy caught it on his GoPro.

00:20:53.000 He caught an attack?

00:20:55.000 Remember?

00:20:56.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:57.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:20:59.000 Oh, boy.

00:21:01.000 Oh my god, dude.

00:21:03.000 You're just so slow in there.

00:21:06.000 Yeah.

00:21:06.000 That's what's...

00:21:06.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:21:07.000 So is he prodding it to keep it away from him?

00:21:10.000 He's swimming backwards, I think.

00:21:11.000 And that's the right move.

00:21:13.000 You know, give it a poke.

00:21:14.000 Keep it off you.

00:21:15.000 It bit his toe?

00:21:16.000 Wow, barely.

00:21:17.000 That is a best case scenario.

00:21:19.000 Oh my god, the best case.

00:21:20.000 He's got a cool scar.

00:21:21.000 You have to take your shoes off to show everybody. 1.00

00:21:26.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:21:26.000 He kept his little toe. 1.00

00:21:27.000 That's a little toe. 0.89

00:21:28.000 Yeah, literally.

00:21:30.000 It must have just sliced by.

00:21:32.000 They're such cool animals.

00:21:33.000 They deserve a ton of respect, you know, and I think you just have to realize they're there.

00:21:37.000 Like, that's just a part of it.

00:21:38.000 There's also a way to be smart about it, right?

00:21:40.000 Don't go in.

00:21:41.000 There's bait balls and tons of birds diving and tons of fish in the water.

00:21:44.000 You know, stay out of the immediate surf zone in low viz in a high seal area.

00:21:49.000 You know, there's ways to, like, really reduce the risk.

00:21:52.000 We did New Years in Hawaii last year, and we got to see some whales.

00:21:55.000 Nice.

00:21:56.000 Dude, we were real close.

00:21:58.000 It's so wild, man.

00:22:00.000 They're so big.

00:22:01.000 Aren't they?

00:22:02.000 They're so big and so beautiful.

00:22:05.000 You're so happy that they're there.

00:22:07.000 Right.

00:22:09.000 Whales are one of those weird ones where you're looking at and you're like, am I seeing this?

00:22:13.000 Is this really a whale in the water?

00:22:15.000 They're so magical.

00:22:17.000 Right.

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:17.000 And so intelligent.

00:22:18.000 That's what's amazing.

00:22:19.000 The general consensus is that they're restricted by their morphology.

00:22:24.000 Their body type doesn't allow them to share with us how much more intelligent they are than we really realize.

00:22:29.000 But we know a little bit.

00:22:30.000 We know how they can sing across oceans and communicate and all get together.

00:22:35.000 It's amazing.

00:22:36.000 Synchronizing the way they swim.

00:22:38.000 Amazing creatures.

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:57.000 Yeah, they're dolphins, whales, fish, stingrays, seals, sea lions, sharks.

00:23:02.000 They're amazing predators.

00:23:04.000 Yeah, they really are.

00:23:05.000 And it's like that polar bear thing we were talking about earlier.

00:23:07.000 They're like, you know, Shamu, like cuddly, get your stuffed toy.

00:23:10.000 They're smiling in every cartoon.

00:23:12.000 But aren't they pretty cool to people in general in the wild?

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 That's strange.

00:23:18.000 I believe there has never been an attack on a human being by an orca in the wild, period.

00:23:24.000 There have been multiple in aquariums, you know, while there's been shows going on, that kind of stuff, but I believe there's never actually been a recorded case of a death by orca in the wild.

00:23:33.000 That's kind of crazy when you think about it.

00:23:35.000 It just shows their intelligence, right?

00:23:37.000 It shows they look at you and go, nope, that's not on the menu.

00:23:39.000 Like, that's not something I need to eat.

00:23:41.000 But they must be hungry sometimes.

00:23:43.000 Well, what's interesting about orcas is there's really two sects of their diet.

00:23:47.000 There's orcas that only eat marine mammals, and there's orcas that only eat stingrays and some other fish species.

00:23:54.000 And so I think, you know, for those people, you see some of those incredible photographers like Paul Nicklin and stuff like that that get those images of them underwater.

00:24:01.000 They're diving with the fish-eating orcas.

00:24:03.000 I think a few people have been successful in diving with the mammal-eating ones, but that's, I feel like that's a dice roll.

00:24:10.000 They might mistake you.

00:24:12.000 Well, you're a mammal and you're not, you're a seal size, you know.

00:24:15.000 Jamie, who are we talking to about orcas and the population that lives in the Pacific Northwest, like around Seattle, that only eats the Chinook salmon?

00:24:28.000 Remember we were having this conversation the other day with somebody?

00:24:31.000 Phil Demers.

00:24:32.000 Phil Demers?

00:24:32.000 Was it Phil?

00:24:33.000 I mean, that was a clip from...

00:24:34.000 Probably, yeah.

00:24:35.000 Okay.

00:24:35.000 So that's a crazy situation, right?

00:24:37.000 You have a population of orcas that only eats Chinook salmon, and then there's a decline in the population of Chinook salmon, so they're trying to figure out how to get them to eat seals.

00:24:47.000 Right.

00:24:47.000 And they won't do it.

00:24:49.000 Right.

00:24:49.000 They're the local population, but then they have these migratory populations that come in and do eat seals.

00:24:54.000 And eat seals, yeah. 1.00

00:24:54.000 And they're like, hey, you assholes are starving to death. 1.00

00:24:56.000 There's fucking food everywhere. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Right. 1.00

00:24:58.000 But they won't do it. 1.00

00:24:59.000 They won't switch over.

00:25:00.000 Right.

00:25:00.000 Very strange, isn't it?

00:25:02.000 And you gotta wonder how much of that is learned behavior, right?

00:25:04.000 How many parent orcas are passing down, this is the food.

00:25:08.000 You know, this is how you hunt salmon, this is what you eat, everything else is off the menu, versus what's instinctual.

00:25:13.000 Like, how did that one group of orcas learn to eat seals, whereas the other one is so dedicated to salmon?

00:25:19.000 It's amazing.

00:25:20.000 Well, it's amazing that they didn't adapt, right?

00:25:23.000 They're starving, and they don't branch out.

00:25:25.000 Right.

00:25:26.000 Or maybe they're just unsuccessful.

00:25:27.000 You know, maybe they've never learned how to hunt seals, because it's definitely a different behavior to scooping up a fish.

00:25:34.000 Right.

00:25:34.000 So, yeah, it is amazing.

00:25:36.000 You'd think they would get to this kind of tipping point where they're like, there's not enough to eat, we need to make a transition, and then are they unsuccessful in that transition because they can't figure out how to do it?

00:25:45.000 Are they just not doing it?

00:25:46.000 They just don't know about it?

00:25:48.000 It's, who knows?

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:49.000 It's a real bummer, man, when you hear that they're almost starving to death out there, and they're trying to actually bring Chinook salmon to them.

00:25:56.000 You know, like, oof.

00:25:58.000 You know, it's one of those things, it's like, that whole kind of micro-environment is a game of Jenga, right?

00:26:06.000 And you pull one piece out, and you're like, ah, tower's still standing.

00:26:08.000 Pull another piece out, ah, tower's still standing.

00:26:10.000 You know, and it just takes that one piece until it all collapses.

00:26:13.000 That is an interesting way of looking at it, right?

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 They were talking about Hawaii and all these different invasive species that live in Hawaii.

00:26:22.000 And there was this discussion about pigs. 0.70

00:26:24.000 And they were saying, we should really take the pigs off of Hawaii. 0.94

00:26:29.000 And a lot of the people in Hawaii were like, hang on. 0.89

00:26:31.000 Right. 0.98

00:26:32.000 We've been here as long as the pigs. 0.88

00:26:34.000 Right.

00:26:34.000 So, like, are we invasive?

00:26:36.000 Right.

00:26:36.000 Like, what's invasive now?

00:26:38.000 Right.

00:26:38.000 Like, when does it become...

00:26:39.000 Because, obviously, like, luau's, they're synonymous with, like, eating pigs.

00:26:44.000 Huge.

00:26:44.000 And wild pigs are a big part of, you know, the people that hunt in Hawaii, their food source.

00:26:51.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 So, they're like, well, would it...

00:26:53.000 But then you have a situation like lanai.

00:26:55.000 Right.

00:26:55.000 Where I go every year.

00:26:56.000 The axis deer?

00:26:57.000 Yeah, which is terrible.

00:26:59.000 Environmentally, it's a disaster.

00:27:01.000 It's all wrong.

00:27:03.000 There's 30,000 deer on this one island.

00:27:05.000 That many?

00:27:06.000 30,000.

00:27:06.000 They don't know, really.

00:27:08.000 They're guessing.

00:27:09.000 The estimate's between 20,000 and 30,000.

00:27:11.000 And there's 3,000 people.

00:27:12.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:27:13.000 And dude, you ain't never seen anything like it, because it's a little ass island. 0.50

00:27:16.000 You drive around the whole thing in an hour.

00:27:17.000 I mean, maybe a little bit more than that, but not much.

00:27:20.000 Sure. 0.99

00:27:20.000 It's a tiny fucking island. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Right. 1.00

00:27:21.000 And there's so many deer. 1.00

00:27:23.000 Yeah.

00:27:24.000 You'll see them on, like, you'll get your binoculars out, and you look at this huge field, and you're like, oh my god.

00:27:30.000 Just old deer.

00:27:30.000 You'll see a thousand.

00:27:31.000 Oh, you're kidding.

00:27:32.000 No.

00:27:33.000 Wow.

00:27:33.000 No, it's crazy.

00:27:34.000 It's crazy.

00:27:35.000 It's so unnatural.

00:27:36.000 No predators.

00:27:37.000 Only humans, plenty of food.

00:27:39.000 Right, right.

00:27:40.000 And their population's exploded.

00:27:41.000 Everywhere.

00:27:42.000 And they're damn delicious.

00:27:44.000 I've heard that before.

00:27:45.000 For people who live there, it's amazing.

00:27:47.000 You don't have to have much money to eat really well.

00:27:50.000 You get a rifle, you go out there, bang, you got a deer, and you can shoot as many as you want.

00:27:54.000 You can shoot seven in a day and stockpile your freezer and have all your meat for the year.

00:27:59.000 And they're that abundant?

00:28:00.000 Oh my god!

00:28:02.000 The only thing that keeps me from killing a ton of them is that I use a bow and arrow, and it's really hard to do with a bow and arrow because they're so fast.

00:28:08.000 And they evolved in Asia to get away from tigers.

00:28:11.000 They're an Indian animal. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Right, right.

00:28:13.000 So it's super fast.

00:28:15.000 It's a tough argument because you're right.

00:28:18.000 Hawaiian people, pig is culturally significant to them.

00:28:21.000 Just like probably access deer is to the people of Lanai and has been for however long the deer have been there.

00:28:26.000 But I guess it's like at what cost, right?

00:28:29.000 At what cost?

00:28:31.000 And I don't think this is the case, but if someone said, look, I know these pigs are culturally significant to you, but if we leave them here, the whole island's ecosystem will collapse.

00:28:39.000 There'll be no birds, no fish, no lizards, nothing. 0.64

00:28:43.000 Is it worth it to have pigs? 0.90

00:28:44.000 Right. 0.53

00:28:44.000 And it's delicate. 0.53

00:28:46.000 The pigs in particular, right, because they eat everything.

00:28:48.000 They eat ground-nesting birds.

00:28:49.000 They'll devastate everything that's in front of their roots. 0.98

00:28:52.000 They'll fuck up every tree, everything that's coming up, all the sprouts. 0.98

00:28:57.000 Everything, yeah. 0.99

00:28:58.000 They're super destructive.

00:28:59.000 Here, they're destructive here in California.

00:29:00.000 It's not isolated to Hawaii.

00:29:03.000 Everywhere that we've brought pigs, they've done a lot of damage.

00:29:05.000 We're actually going to...

00:29:06.000 We're talking about this out here.

00:29:07.000 We're going to film something about hunting pigs at Tohono Ranch.

00:29:11.000 Because Tohono Ranch...

00:29:12.000 The place gets devastated. 0.99

00:29:14.000 The agriculture gets devastated by these pigs. 0.98

00:29:16.000 There's so many of them. 0.86

00:29:17.000 And they're all over.

00:29:19.000 Northern California has a problem in San Jose.

00:29:22.000 They're in people's yards. 1.00

00:29:24.000 They're destroying shit because they're... 1.00

00:29:26.000 If you don't kill them, they just breed and [... 1.00

00:29:31.000 And they're dealing with them now even in the northern part of the United States. 0.99

00:29:35.000 They're dealing with them in the northeast. 0.91

00:29:36.000 There was a New York Times article about it, see if you can find that, from two days ago about the expansion of wild pigs is that they're starting to make their way into the northeastern states.

00:29:46.000 And they're just...

00:29:47.000 They can't be stopped.

00:29:49.000 They can survive in any weather.

00:29:51.000 Yep.

00:29:51.000 They breed three times a year.

00:29:53.000 They can...

00:29:53.000 They're viable, I think, from the time they're five to six months old, they have their first litter.

00:29:58.000 Feral pigs roam the south.

00:30:00.000 Now, even in northern states, aren't safe. 0.93

00:30:01.000 The swine have established themselves in Canada.

00:30:04.000 Oh, wow.

00:30:04.000 And are encroaching on border states like Montana and North Dakota.

00:30:07.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:30:08.000 If they get into Montana... 1.00

00:30:09.000 They'll do so much damage.

00:30:11.000 You know what's crazy about the feral pigs in the United States?

00:30:13.000 They were brought here by, I believe, Christopher Columbus, starting with six animals. 0.85

00:30:18.000 Whoa.

00:30:19.000 So the entire 200 million or whatever it is across the US, I don't know the number, it was like six or eight or ten original pigs that were brought in by Christopher Columbus and dropped in Florida.

00:30:30.000 That's insane!

00:30:31.000 You want to talk about how crazy they can reproduce and how much damage they do? 0.69

00:30:35.000 Think of the biomass of those animals stemming off of like six of them.

00:30:39.000 That's insane!

00:30:41.000 And they're so tough, you can put them on a boat and they'll make it across the ocean.

00:30:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:30:45.000 And they are terrible for the environment.

00:30:48.000 They do so much damage to native species, to riparian habitat.

00:30:53.000 Like you said, we were talking about it out there briefly, and it's a good thing.

00:30:57.000 People should realize that invasive species like that should not be in an ecosystem.

00:31:02.000 Well, they certainly shouldn't be in an ecosystem when there's no balance, right?

00:31:05.000 Correct.

00:31:05.000 If they're, like, warthogs and they're in Africa, there's a system for that.

00:31:08.000 Exactly.

00:31:09.000 Like, they're all, they're supposed to be there.

00:31:11.000 Warthogs are wild-looking creatures, aren't they?

00:31:13.000 They're amazing.

00:31:14.000 Have you ever seen one?

00:31:14.000 You've seen one in person?

00:31:14.000 Yeah, yeah, I grew up there.

00:31:15.000 I grew up in Zimbabwe.

00:31:16.000 Oh, that's right.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:18.000 Actually, I got a pretty funny story about a warthog.

00:31:20.000 My uncle, my mom's brother, we were out on safari one time, and he was young.

00:31:28.000 He was much younger than my mother, so he was maybe a teenager or something.

00:31:31.000 And he grabbed this plum and started going for a walk across camp.

00:31:35.000 And anyway, this warthog decided it wanted this plum.

00:31:38.000 And so it came trotting after my uncle and started chasing him in circles around this tree, but my uncle was so panicked by this thing chasing him around this big baobab tree that he wouldn't drop the plum.

00:31:49.000 So he's just in this perpetual cycle of being chased around this tree until he eventually threw the plum and the warthog just veered off and went for the plum.

00:31:58.000 Lucky it didn't want him.

00:31:59.000 Yeah.

00:32:00.000 They're very funny, very mischievous.

00:32:02.000 I love the way their tails stick up through the grass when they're running around.

00:32:05.000 They're weird looking.

00:32:07.000 Very.

00:32:08.000 They're related to pigs, right?

00:32:09.000 In some sort of way?

00:32:10.000 Yeah.

00:32:10.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:32:11.000 They're all that same family. 0.95

00:32:12.000 Speaking of weird pigs, are you familiar with the Barbarossa? 0.97

00:32:14.000 No. 0.92

00:32:15.000 This is one we should pull up.

00:32:17.000 You're going to love this animal.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 You're going to love this.

00:32:20.000 It's one of my top bucket list animals to see in the wild.

00:32:24.000 It's a great name.

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 Barbarusa.

00:32:26.000 I don't even want to tell you what it is until you see the image because you're going to be like, no way that's real.

00:32:30.000 It looks like something out of Star Wars.

00:32:32.000 Really? 0.99

00:32:32.000 And it's a pig. 0.99

00:32:33.000 Where does it live? 0.99

00:32:34.000 Indonesia.

00:32:36.000 How big does it get?

00:32:37.000 Uh, maybe 200 pounds?

00:32:39.000 I'm not positive on the size.

00:32:40.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:32:42.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:32:42.000 Look at those tusks growing out of its face. 0.92

00:32:44.000 What the fuck is those things that grow out of the middle of its head? 1.00

00:32:47.000 Yep. 1.00

00:32:48.000 That's crazy!

00:32:49.000 Yeah.

00:32:50.000 Look at that one.

00:32:51.000 What the f- Bro, that does not look real. 0.99

00:32:54.000 Right?

00:32:54.000 Doesn't that look like something out of Star Wars?

00:32:55.000 Yes.

00:32:56.000 That's a real animal.

00:32:57.000 That looks like an avatar creature.

00:32:58.000 That's what it looks like.

00:32:59.000 Is that fighting something?

00:33:00.000 Looks like it.

00:33:01.000 What's it fighting there?

00:33:02.000 Nothing.

00:33:03.000 Oh my god.

00:33:04.000 Barbarossa's going to war. 0.86

00:33:05.000 It says pig deer.

00:33:07.000 They call it a pig deer?

00:33:08.000 Yeah, it says Barbarossa or pig deer.

00:33:10.000 Oh, wow.

00:33:11.000 This might be somebody just making a guess.

00:33:13.000 Like their nickname of it? 0.96

00:33:14.000 I actually think they're having sex there. 0.98

00:33:15.000 Oh, getting it on. 0.81

00:33:17.000 That's not fighting.

00:33:18.000 Making more Barbarossas. 0.96

00:33:20.000 That's just shitty Barbarossa jiu-jitsu. 0.91

00:33:22.000 Yeah, that's the kind of fighting mommy and daddy do late at night. 0.58

00:33:25.000 Mommy and daddy were just playing.

00:33:26.000 Don't worry.

00:33:27.000 No one's getting hurt.

00:33:29.000 Mommy was gagging. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Yeah.

00:33:32.000 Look at that one right there, Jamie.

00:33:33.000 Look at where your cursor is.

00:33:34.000 Click on that one. 1.00

00:33:35.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:33:37.000 Isn't that a wild pig? 1.00

00:33:38.000 The things coming out of it, the tusks that come out of the middle of its head are so strange.

00:33:43.000 Like, where did that come from?

00:33:44.000 I don't know why you evolved that.

00:33:46.000 Maybe like a peacock's tail, you know, for showmanship.

00:33:50.000 But what's really crazy about them evolving those two teeth or tusks out of the bridge of their snout is if they're not broken in fights and rooting around, they can grow long enough that they will puncture the animal in the head and kill it.

00:34:03.000 I've heard of that.

00:34:04.000 Oh, you know why?

00:34:05.000 Because I put an image of it on my Instagram.

00:34:09.000 It was one of those Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself memes.

00:34:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:12.000 I saw a few of those.

00:34:13.000 You threw up.

00:34:14.000 And it was a Barbarossa skull, actually.

00:34:17.000 Oh, saying that it can do that?

00:34:19.000 That it actually was driving into its own head, growing into its own head.

00:34:23.000 Yeah, like that.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, insane.

00:34:25.000 That's crazy.

00:34:26.000 Like, maybe that's nature's way of saying, all right, enough.

00:34:29.000 Check, please. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Your assholes will live forever and eat everything in front of you. 1.00

00:34:33.000 Like that one. 1.00

00:34:33.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:34:34.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:34:35.000 Growing into its own brain.

00:34:37.000 Imagine one day you have a little bit of a headache and the next day it just gets a little worse.

00:34:41.000 You're like, what is going on?

00:34:43.000 And what do you do?

00:34:44.000 It's like if you go and hit that against the ground, it's only going to get worse.

00:34:48.000 Right.

00:34:48.000 It's already in your brain.

00:34:49.000 Yeah.

00:34:50.000 Yeah, you'd have to be smart enough to find a branch where you could slip that over and torque your head. 0.99

00:34:56.000 Yeah, I don't think that's happening if you're a pig. 1.00

00:35:00.000 Is this awful? 0.99

00:35:01.000 I mean, often that this happens where they kill themselves by growing that tusk into their brain?

00:35:06.000 I don't know.

00:35:07.000 That looks like two of them heading that direction. 1.00

00:35:09.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:35:10.000 A crazy animal. 1.00

00:35:11.000 What a beautiful animal, though.

00:35:12.000 So there's an extinct subspecies of those called the Molokan Barbarusa, which in the single island near Sulawesi used to be, and then they think people have hunted them, you know, to extinction, localized extinction within that island and that subspecies.

00:35:26.000 But some people I know that worked over there ate one.

00:35:30.000 So they're like, yeah, no, we ate this wild pig with these crazy horns.

00:35:33.000 And I was like, yeah, this was like two years ago.

00:35:36.000 You know, and they have no proof and they don't have the skull and they don't have the picture.

00:35:39.000 They were like, they were traveling and they're like, yeah, yeah, we got back and we ate this pig with these wild horns on this particular island.

00:35:44.000 And I was like, wait, is that possibly a Malucan Barbarossa?

00:35:47.000 I was like, I don't know.

00:35:48.000 And you look where they were and what they said and what they ate and it's like, oh, that could be an extinct subspecies that you guys consumed.

00:35:56.000 Well, how many biologists are actually actively out there looking for these creatures?

00:36:00.000 Those, I would say zero currently, that species.

00:36:03.000 But with regards to this field of presumed extinct animals, it seems to be a movement that's expanding, you know, and I think one of the reasons for that is we have a rate of something like 2,000 species a year being deemed extinct, right?

00:36:14.000 So when you have that many animals being deemed extinct every year, there's flags being put up.

00:36:19.000 Is it really extinct?

00:36:20.000 Have we looked everywhere?

00:36:21.000 And so this...

00:36:23.000 You know, I don't want to say I was the first, but I feel like I was in that wave of first people to start looking into extinction as far as ongoing animals wrongfully deemed extinct.

00:36:31.000 And now it's like mainstream in the biology world.

00:36:34.000 It's like there's a lot of people that are like, I'm going to go see if I can find this thing.

00:36:37.000 Is it because it's a romantic sort of thing?

00:36:40.000 There's a lot of cash.

00:36:41.000 Like if you can find a seemed-to-be-extinct barbarousa.

00:36:46.000 I think so.

00:36:47.000 I think it's very romantic.

00:36:48.000 As opposed to just setting out to study something that we know that's there.

00:36:52.000 This harrowing journey to find this creature that the world has written off.

00:36:56.000 It's very romantic.

00:36:57.000 Have you ever heard of the Aurang Pendek?

00:37:01.000 This is a cryptid, right?

00:37:04.000 Yes.

00:37:05.000 I've heard this word.

00:37:06.000 It's a little tiny monkey person.

00:37:07.000 That's right.

00:37:08.000 Did we talk about this last time?

00:37:09.000 We might have.

00:37:10.000 I'm very repetitive.

00:37:11.000 That's okay.

00:37:13.000 It's still fun.

00:37:14.000 It's not in my wheelhouse, you know, like the cryptids, the Loch Ness monsters.

00:37:18.000 I think that one they think is in Vietnam.

00:37:20.000 I think it's in Vietnam and maybe some other parts of Southeast Asia.

00:37:26.000 Most people thought it was nonsense until the Homo floriensis, until they found out about that hobbit person that lives in the island of Flores. 0.98

00:37:36.000 And then they're like, okay, hold on.

00:37:37.000 Or lived, I should say.

00:37:38.000 As recently as 14,000 years ago, right?

00:37:40.000 Right. 0.99

00:37:41.000 So when they found out about that thing, they're like, well, maybe these little fuckers are still hanging around out there somewhere. 1.00

00:37:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:37:48.000 You're dealing with incredibly dense jungle, and they're very wary.

00:37:51.000 I mean, if you're a person stomping through the jungle, something that lives there hears you a mile away.

00:37:56.000 For sure.

00:37:57.000 You're not sneaking up on a monkey.

00:37:58.000 No.

00:37:59.000 Well, we...

00:38:00.000 This year, I went into Songdoong, which is the world's largest cave.

00:38:04.000 That was only discovered in 1995. It's this massive opening, six miles of underground cave.

00:38:11.000 You know, you don't see daylight for two days.

00:38:13.000 Six miles?

00:38:15.000 You should look at the pictures of this place.

00:38:16.000 You'll love it.

00:38:17.000 I mean, it looks like something out of Avatar.

00:38:19.000 I mean, this cave, you can fit New York City skyscrapers inside of it.

00:38:23.000 It's so big.

00:38:24.000 It has its own weather system.

00:38:26.000 What?

00:38:26.000 Yeah.

00:38:27.000 Where is this?

00:38:28.000 So it's in the Anamite Mountain Range between Vietnam and Laos.

00:38:32.000 And we got to go into it this year because we were looking for this habitat.

00:38:35.000 In fact, this is my show that comes out tonight.

00:38:38.000 We were looking for this habitat.

00:38:39.000 Where is it on so people can hear it?

00:38:41.000 Animal Planet.

00:38:42.000 Extinct or Alive tonight at 9pm on Animal Planet.

00:38:45.000 We go into Songdoon Cave.

00:38:46.000 Set your DVRs, kids.

00:38:47.000 Plug.

00:38:49.000 So let's see this.

00:38:50.000 Oh my god.

00:38:51.000 There's Hang Songdoon. 1.00

00:38:53.000 That's the entrance to it.

00:38:54.000 And look at the size of it.

00:38:55.000 The scope of it is massive.

00:38:57.000 I need something to compare it to.

00:38:58.000 What am I looking at?

00:38:59.000 I'm seeing the...

00:39:01.000 Those are little tents.

00:39:02.000 Oh, those are tents.

00:39:04.000 There's full lake systems in there.

00:39:06.000 Oh my god, that's inside the tent?

00:39:08.000 I mean, that's inside the cave?

00:39:09.000 Yeah, look at the wedding cake. 0.96

00:39:10.000 That one right there.

00:39:12.000 That's called the wedding cake. 0.92

00:39:13.000 Yeah, that one.

00:39:14.000 It's this pyres.

00:39:15.000 I mean, it's just the most fantastic looking thing.

00:39:18.000 There's a person standing on top of that little pyre right there.

00:39:22.000 Oh my god!

00:39:23.000 Yeah.

00:39:24.000 That's insane!

00:39:25.000 It's insane.

00:39:26.000 More people have summited Everest than have been through that cave.

00:39:29.000 Wow.

00:39:30.000 Well, people summit Evers every day now.

00:39:31.000 Well, that's why.

00:39:33.000 But yeah, so we...

00:39:34.000 That's the wedding cake.

00:39:35.000 Oh my God, that's incredible.

00:39:37.000 I have a picture just like that that I'm very proud of.

00:39:39.000 My God, that's so spectacular.

00:39:43.000 But what's amazing is about two-thirds of the way through the system, you can see what you're looking at is areas where the cave roof has collapsed, and there's isolated pockets of ecosystem, right?

00:39:53.000 So we were talking about the pygmy people that could live in the forests of Vietnam. 1.00

00:39:57.000 My point is, this giant six-mile-long cave with these huge openings wasn't even discovered until, I think, 1995. Whew!

00:40:06.000 So, what's to say a tribe of small people couldn't hide in something like that and move in and out and never be seen?

00:40:13.000 I mean, it's fantastic. 1.00

00:40:14.000 There was a stupid movie about people that lived on the ground that ate people. 1.00

00:40:20.000 Remember that? 1.00

00:40:20.000 There's a bunch of chicks. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Was that Duck Cave?

00:40:23.000 The Descent?

00:40:24.000 The Descent, that's what it was.

00:40:26.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:40:26.000 So my whole team watched, we spent like, when we were going, like, leading up to this expedition, we're like, alright, let's watch a bunch of bad horror cave movies before we go.

00:40:34.000 The first one's bad, the second one is so bad, it's funny.

00:40:38.000 Yeah, right.

00:40:39.000 Because they did a Descent too, and you're like, wait, I'm funny.

00:40:43.000 As you were bringing that up, I stumbled across a video that's obviously probably not real of an Orang pen deck.

00:40:49.000 No, it's totally real, Jamie.

00:40:50.000 Have you ever seen this?

00:40:53.000 These guys are on bikes and this thing runs out in front of them.

00:40:56.000 It doesn't look like CGI is the only thing I'm going with at the moment.

00:41:00.000 It's obviously probably not real.

00:41:01.000 That's definitely a person.

00:41:02.000 It had a tail or something.

00:41:04.000 They were doing freeze frames of it.

00:41:06.000 What?

00:41:07.000 I stopped watching because you guys took me on the cave thing.

00:41:09.000 What?

00:41:10.000 It's a 10 minute video.

00:41:12.000 Neither of you have seen this before.

00:41:14.000 I've never seen it before.

00:41:15.000 Where are they?

00:41:16.000 They're in Vietnam?

00:41:17.000 I think so.

00:41:18.000 Bro.

00:41:19.000 They were just out riding their bikes and they caught it on their GoPros and they were trying to find it.

00:41:24.000 Let's see.

00:41:24.000 They could also be trying to troll everyone on the internet.

00:41:27.000 I don't know.

00:41:27.000 Do these guys have a troll video?

00:41:30.000 I mean, what is their YouTube page?

00:41:32.000 Have you gone to their YouTube page?

00:41:33.000 It's like on a Bigfoot website.

00:41:36.000 Sasquatch Chronicles.

00:41:37.000 But that's the problem.

00:41:38.000 Remember in Men in Black, how they used to always check the...

00:41:41.000 Whatever it was called.

00:41:43.000 They check the National Enquirer for tips on aliens.

00:41:47.000 Where else do you go to get this info, though?

00:41:49.000 Let me see this again.

00:41:51.000 They're riding...

00:41:55.000 Here it goes, the rider. 0.99

00:41:57.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

00:41:58.000 That's definitely a person, or a humanoid. 0.99

00:42:01.000 It's really tiny, whatever it is.

00:42:02.000 Yeah.

00:42:05.000 It's running pretty fast.

00:42:10.000 It also could be like... 1.00

00:42:12.000 Bullshit. 1.00

00:42:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:13.000 Could be bullshit. 1.00

00:42:14.000 But it could be a little monkey person! 1.00

00:42:17.000 Look, we know those little monkey people were real. 0.90

00:42:20.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:42:21.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:42:22.000 Imagine if that's real. 0.97

00:42:24.000 And keep in mind, and again, I'm not like a huge cryptid guy, but keep in mind, you know, as a homo sapien, they have a higher intellect, which means they're better at avoiding people, right?

00:42:32.000 Right.

00:42:33.000 So, it's, you know, it's not unreasonable to say if there was a group of small humanoids out there that didn't want to be discovered, they could stay hidden. 0.77

00:42:41.000 Yeah, and if it's really small, you know, and also some sort of a hominid that has intelligence, it's probably got a pretty decent food source in the jungle.

00:42:51.000 Yep.

00:42:52.000 But they would find a dead one, wouldn't they?

00:42:54.000 That's always the argument, right?

00:42:56.000 Why isn't there a roadkill X or Y? But the thing is, there's a lot of mountain lions.

00:43:04.000 Good luck finding a dead one.

00:43:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:07.000 Look at that, look at that.

00:43:10.000 I don't think that's a tail.

00:43:11.000 That looks like a spear.

00:43:13.000 What's to say that isn't a short guy who's been poaching? 0.99

00:43:16.000 And he's like, crap, I'm getting busted. 0.78

00:43:19.000 But it doesn't mean it's not fascinating. 0.80

00:43:21.000 And this is the kind of stuff that we wade through in droves to try and figure out are these animals, are these creatures still out there?

00:43:28.000 That's so weird. 0.98

00:43:31.000 God, I'm such a sucker though. 0.70

00:43:35.000 Oh, that thing looks like it's wearing shorts, dude. 0.97

00:43:38.000 Doesn't it?

00:43:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:41.000 And it's running exactly like a person.

00:43:43.000 Yeah, that's a little person.

00:43:45.000 But it's so little.

00:43:46.000 Right.

00:43:46.000 A little kid.

00:43:47.000 That's the thing about the...

00:43:48.000 It could be a little kid, yeah.

00:43:49.000 But that's the thing about the Orang Pendek, is that they think it was like the Homo floriensis.

00:43:55.000 I think they think it's really the same thing.

00:43:57.000 And the Homo floriensis was really a three-foot-tall human.

00:44:01.000 Three, four feet.

00:44:01.000 Yeah, right.

00:44:02.000 Yeah, some subset.

00:44:04.000 Yep.

00:44:04.000 I hear so.

00:44:05.000 There's another image?

00:44:06.000 Oh, wow.

00:44:07.000 Yeah, that looks like a little person, man.

00:44:09.000 The head looks weird, though.

00:44:10.000 It's got a hat!

00:44:11.000 The thing looks like it's wearing a hat.

00:44:12.000 It's wearing a Disneyland hat.

00:44:14.000 They're pointing out the ears because it matches the Orang Pendek images of that Sasquatch-type head or something.

00:44:21.000 Dude, that is a person with a stick.

00:44:24.000 And there, that creature looks naked.

00:44:27.000 It doesn't look like there's shorts on it.

00:44:28.000 Yeah, it does.

00:44:29.000 So how tall do you think that is?

00:44:32.000 That looks really short.

00:44:34.000 And moving fast.

00:44:35.000 Really short and like three feet tall.

00:44:38.000 Going into tall grass, right?

00:44:39.000 What's that?

00:44:40.000 Three foot grass?

00:44:42.000 Four foot grass?

00:44:43.000 That's so weird.

00:44:45.000 Okay, so here's size comparison. 0.98

00:44:47.000 See, I'm such a sucker. 0.92

00:44:49.000 Look, look how, look, there's a size comparison. 1.00

00:44:51.000 That is fucking tiny, man. 0.99

00:44:52.000 That's tiny. 1.00

00:44:53.000 It's really tiny.

00:44:54.000 Oh my god, it's real.

00:44:58.000 I want to believe so bad.

00:45:00.000 I know. 1.00

00:45:00.000 I'm such a moron. 1.00

00:45:02.000 I'm such a moron when it comes to this stuff. 1.00

00:45:04.000 I believed in Bigfoot for so long. 0.99

00:45:06.000 They estimated it was between 80 and 150 centimeters, which is somewhere between 30 and 60 inches tall.

00:45:12.000 So that's three to five feet.

00:45:13.000 Tiny little thing.

00:45:14.000 Tiny little thing.

00:45:16.000 It's amazing.

00:45:17.000 I hope it's real.

00:45:17.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:45:18.000 I do too.

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 I mean, it's fantastic.

00:45:20.000 But do you hope...

00:45:21.000 Would you rather...

00:45:23.000 Not knowing and it lives.

00:45:25.000 Or someone kills it and you find out that it's real.

00:45:28.000 I'd rather not knowing and it lives.

00:45:29.000 Me too.

00:45:30.000 For sure. 1.00

00:45:30.000 Me too, but I feel like a bitch. 1.00

00:45:32.000 I want to know! 0.99

00:45:34.000 But I don't want it to die.

00:45:35.000 Right, right.

00:45:36.000 You know what?

00:45:37.000 Come on, man.

00:45:38.000 Just tell me.

00:45:39.000 And how blurry does the line get in that situation?

00:45:42.000 Because it's humanoid, right?

00:45:44.000 So it's not like you're catching him and putting him in zoos to breed him and keep the population up.

00:45:49.000 That gets really dicey.

00:45:52.000 That's super dicey.

00:45:54.000 Didn't they do that with an African man in the Bronx Zoo in, like, the turn of the century? 0.92

00:45:59.000 They put an African man in the Bronx Zoo?

00:46:01.000 Yes, they did.

00:46:02.000 Yeah, they had an African man, I believe it was the Bronx Zoo, in, like, the 1800s or the early 1900s.

00:46:10.000 A pigmy?

00:46:11.000 Yeah, Bada Benga. 0.97

00:46:12.000 What year was it?

00:46:13.000 1906. Oh, God. 0.76

00:46:15.000 Wow.

00:46:15.000 Yeah, they had him in the zoo, man.

00:46:17.000 It's insane.

00:46:19.000 Look at that.

00:46:20.000 Wow.

00:46:21.000 Dude's in the zoo.

00:46:22.000 Yeah.

00:46:23.000 Well, you know what, man?

00:46:24.000 People were just figuring life out back then.

00:46:26.000 Right, right.

00:46:27.000 This is the reality of human beings is that we have not been alive that long and we have not been civilized in terms of how we view the world today with inclusivity and objectivity and care and, you know, kindness towards others,

00:46:44.000 like this compassion and altruism.

00:46:46.000 This is, on a global scale, this is fairly recent.

00:46:50.000 Yeah, we're figuring things out as we go.

00:46:52.000 I mean, history is a perfect...

00:46:54.000 It can show you how we've progressed.

00:46:55.000 It's a documentation of how we've progressed.

00:46:58.000 But yet still. 1.00

00:47:00.000 Still fucked up. 1.00

00:47:01.000 50 years after slavery? 1.00

00:47:02.000 Yeah.

00:47:03.000 Right?

00:47:03.000 That's crazy.

00:47:04.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 40, 45 years after slavery?

00:47:07.000 What the fuck, guys? 0.99

00:47:08.000 So Bronx Zoo, speaking in our weird cryptid realm, reminded me of something. 1.00

00:47:13.000 So get this.

00:47:14.000 Chupacabra?

00:47:17.000 I think?

00:47:32.000 And the boat crashed into the shore, and most of the animals escaped, including the two breeding pair of thylacine.

00:47:39.000 Fast forward 10-15 years, you start having these chubacabra sightings pop up in the Northeast.

00:47:45.000 And these animals were adapted to living in Tasmania, which is a pretty similar climate to the Northeast.

00:47:51.000 And so there's people that have kind of drawn these parallels and said, oh, the chupacabra that we've reported running around, you know, the United States is actually a tiny remnant population of these thylacine that were brought here for the Bronx Zoo that escaped.

00:48:05.000 What?

00:48:07.000 You buy into this?

00:48:08.000 No.

00:48:08.000 Not personally, but it's an amazing story.

00:48:11.000 Boy, you had me.

00:48:11.000 If you said yes, I'd be ready to go on an expedition.

00:48:14.000 Quick question off of stuff you've talked about.

00:48:16.000 If someone could get one for the Bronx Zoo, then would a rich person have been able to buy one, like a rich guy in Texas, for instance?

00:48:23.000 A thylacine?

00:48:23.000 Been able to purchase one privately?

00:48:25.000 Yeah.

00:48:26.000 Back then.

00:48:26.000 You could probably get one today.

00:48:29.000 If you want to find a thylacine, go to Bubba's house.

00:48:33.000 But especially back then, there were no import-export laws about wildlife.

00:48:37.000 You could just bring in whatever you liked if you had money.

00:48:40.000 Everybody was in a race to collect stuff for zoos and museums.

00:48:43.000 What's to say somebody didn't bring some in?

00:48:45.000 Texas and their exotics, it's so strange.

00:48:48.000 I mean, I had a bit about it in my act in 2016, my Netflix special, that there's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than there are in all of the wild of the world.

00:49:00.000 Isn't that insane?

00:49:01.000 Just Texas.

00:49:01.000 And that's like in guys' living rooms in, you know, a cage.

00:49:04.000 Yeehaw! 0.92

00:49:05.000 Feeding mistake!

00:49:07.000 It's nuts!

00:49:08.000 Yeah, it is nuts.

00:49:09.000 The rules there are so strange.

00:49:10.000 It's also, that's one of the rare states where the vast majority of the state is private land.

00:49:16.000 Oh, really?

00:49:17.000 There's very little public land in Texas.

00:49:19.000 So, like, for yourself, when you go hunting there, it's all private?

00:49:22.000 Yes.

00:49:23.000 If you're going to hunt in Texas, you're going to hunt most likely on a private ranch.

00:49:27.000 Just some small patches of public land.

00:49:29.000 But in comparison, I think it's in the 90% range.

00:49:33.000 Interesting.

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 It's all giant ranches.

00:49:36.000 Right.

00:49:37.000 And what's really interesting is I've been reading a lot about, over the last two to three months, I've been obsessed with Wild West stories.

00:49:47.000 I'll just put that book away.

00:49:48.000 Empire of the Summer Moon, S.C. Gwynn, wrote this fantastic book about the Comanches and the battle with people in Texas and the Texas Rangers in the 1800s and trying to take over that land from the Comanches.

00:50:06.000 It's Crazy that this stuff happened just, you know, 150 years ago.

00:50:12.000 It was so insane and really sad.

00:50:15.000 Really sad because there's something incredibly romantic about their lifestyle that was just 150 years ago when all of Europe, they were, you know, having...

00:50:25.000 Horse-driven carriages, and people were living in these fancy buildings, but right here in North America, people were living like they were in the Stone Age.

00:50:34.000 And they had this incredible nomadic life where they were following around the buffalo and killing the buffalo, and they were all just about war.

00:50:44.000 There was this wild, ferocious tribe that was about war and hunting buffaloes. 0.99

00:50:49.000 It's fucking amazing, man. 0.98

00:50:51.000 And that's like while our great-grandparents were walking the earth. 0.99

00:50:54.000 Yes!

00:50:55.000 Really recent!

00:50:57.000 You know, I mean, they kind of...

00:50:58.000 They put the kibosh on it all by the time it was like 1870s in that range.

00:51:04.000 That's when they eventually moved them all into reservations. 1.00

00:51:07.000 But fucking... 1.00

00:51:08.000 And not the Comanches. 1.00

00:51:09.000 The Comanches, they never moved into reservations. 0.88

00:51:10.000 Right, right.

00:51:11.000 They just gave them plots of land.

00:51:13.000 They, to this day, don't have a reservation.

00:51:14.000 And bad land, is my understanding.

00:51:16.000 Terrible.

00:51:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:17.000 Assholes. 1.00

00:51:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:18.000 But they were assholes to each other, too. 1.00

00:51:20.000 That's what's really fucked up. 1.00

00:51:21.000 You get this idea that the natives all lived in peace and harmony, and the Europeans came over and they fucked everything up. 1.00

00:51:29.000 They were killing each other, left and right. 0.88

00:51:33.000 Tribes would raid on other tribes.

00:51:37.000 Horrific things.

00:51:38.000 This guy goes into amazing detail about the way they would torture both captives from other tribes and Europeans. 0.89

00:51:47.000 Oh, gnarly.

00:52:05.000 Unbelievable.

00:52:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:52:06.000 It's fucking amazing though. 0.98

00:52:08.000 But that's... 0.98

00:52:09.000 This whole country, this whole continent used to be this wild ecosystem of human beings riding horses, chasing buffalo, all these animals all over the place.

00:52:22.000 I mean, during the 150 plus years or 250 plus years...

00:52:27.000 They eradicated so many animals.

00:52:30.000 They extirpated them from so many different parts of the country.

00:52:34.000 And then market hunting came in, and they just almost wiped out so many different species of North American animals.

00:52:41.000 And not just almost, but did.

00:52:42.000 Pre-human settlement, they say that the North American continent had more biomass, like larger game and more abundant megafauna than the plains of Africa.

00:52:51.000 Yeah.

00:52:52.000 Huge animals roaming around.

00:52:54.000 And European settlement and Native American settlement, it's all attributed to the decline.

00:53:00.000 But things like, more recently, like the passenger pigeon, right?

00:53:04.000 Billions.

00:53:05.000 Billions.

00:53:06.000 It used to black out the sky.

00:53:07.000 Black out the sky, yeah.

00:53:08.000 And down to zero. 0.98

00:53:09.000 How the fuck did they do that? 0.98

00:53:10.000 I honestly, like, I know by reading, but I personally don't know. 0.99

00:53:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:15.000 How do you kill billions of birds?

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 And that gets intricate because the animal's ecology is such that it needs many others.

00:53:24.000 You know, their tactic is confusion.

00:53:26.000 Like, they don't run away, they just get in a big giant flock, and then you're like, oh, I don't know which one to pick.

00:53:32.000 So, it made them easier to hunt, and they'd actually hunt them commercially for meat.

00:53:37.000 It was cheap meat, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:53:38.000 But it's crazy to think that we're able to wipe out billions of anything in such a short amount of time.

00:53:44.000 Well, we came real close to doing it to the buffalo.

00:53:46.000 Yeah.

00:53:47.000 And some of those, well, the bison, I should say.

00:53:49.000 Some of those images of those bison skulls, like, stacked up.

00:53:52.000 Piles, yeah.

00:53:53.000 Like a mountain.

00:53:54.000 It's really disturbing.

00:53:55.000 Yeah.

00:53:56.000 It used to be, you know, considered entertainment to shoot them from the railway as you were traveling across the country for fun.

00:54:02.000 Like, you just kind of hang out the window, boom, got one.

00:54:04.000 Well, the other thing is that they would go and mostly what they would take from them is their tongues. 0.97

00:54:10.000 Which is crazy.

00:54:11.000 It's the best meat in the world.

00:54:13.000 And they wouldn't even eat the meat.

00:54:14.000 Right. 0.95

00:54:14.000 They would shoot them and take their tongues and they would pickle their tongues. 0.95

00:54:18.000 Right. 0.99

00:54:18.000 And they would use the fur. 0.99

00:54:20.000 They would, you know, sell the hides and make buffalo capes and all this different shit. 0.98

00:54:24.000 Right. 0.97

00:54:24.000 It just shows what abundance we had. 0.97

00:54:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:54:28.000 Nowadays, not that I'm pro-wiping out anything, but nowadays, you have a small population of whatever the animal is, and most people are utilizing every part of it, right?

00:54:37.000 Because we don't have that crazy abundance.

00:54:40.000 Like, imagine if you just went out, like you, for instance, imagine if you just went out to shoot elk for the tongue.

00:54:45.000 It doesn't make any sense, right?

00:54:46.000 Like, why on earth would you ever consider doing that?

00:54:49.000 But if you looked out of the studio here and you saw 200 of them, you'd be like, yeah, right, I might grab a tongue today, right?

00:54:55.000 That's the difference.

00:54:56.000 Make a taco.

00:54:56.000 Yeah, that's the difference of the abundance.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, well, there were basically two elk, right?

00:55:01.000 A bison's like twice the size of an elk.

00:55:04.000 Yeah, yeah, they're enormous. 0.96

00:55:04.000 It's so ridiculous that they just cut the tongue out. 0.96

00:55:06.000 It's awful. 0.99

00:55:07.000 It is.

00:55:08.000 And it's also crazy because it's such an iconic symbol of the American West.

00:55:13.000 My friend Steve Rinello wrote a great book.

00:55:15.000 It's called American Buffalo.

00:55:17.000 And he actually did the audio version of it too, and he's a really good narrator.

00:55:21.000 It's excellent.

00:55:22.000 I'll check it out. 0.99

00:55:23.000 But it's all about the history of the Plains Tribes and the North American Buffalo and Fuck, man. 0.99

00:55:29.000 Sorry, what'd you say it's called? 0.99

00:55:30.000 It's called American Buffalo.

00:55:31.000 American Buffalo.

00:55:32.000 Get the audio version, if you're into audiobooks, because he reads it and he does an amazing job, and it's his book.

00:55:37.000 He actually had sold it, and then someone else had got the rights, you know, whatever, the book company had decided to have an actor read it.

00:55:49.000 Oh, okay.

00:55:50.000 And it was terrible, apparently, according to Steve.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, it was terrible, and then ten years later, he got the rights back, and then he was able to...

00:55:58.000 Oh, great.

00:55:58.000 Do it himself.

00:55:59.000 It's awesome.

00:56:00.000 Yeah.

00:56:00.000 I fly so much.

00:56:01.000 Audiobooks are my best friend.

00:56:02.000 Oh, man.

00:56:02.000 I love them.

00:56:03.000 I haven't listened to podcasts in months.

00:56:06.000 In the last two months, I've been mostly listening to audiobooks.

00:56:09.000 I mean, I have a little bit, but mostly just audiobooks.

00:56:12.000 Yeah.

00:56:12.000 You ever done The Power of One?

00:56:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:15.000 That was a couple of years ago.

00:56:17.000 It's one of my favorites.

00:56:18.000 It's a great audiobook, too, because I read it.

00:56:20.000 Who's the author of that again?

00:56:21.000 I don't recall.

00:56:22.000 I think he's kind of a one-hit wonder with that book.

00:56:24.000 I can't remember his name, but absolutely love the story.

00:56:28.000 Pull that up, Jamie.

00:56:30.000 Let's see what's up.

00:56:32.000 A movie?

00:56:33.000 They made a movie?

00:56:34.000 Probably like some kung fu movie. 0.80

00:56:36.000 Yeah, right.

00:56:37.000 The Power of One.

00:56:40.000 Bryce Kort.

00:56:41.000 That's right, Bryce Kort.

00:56:42.000 Can you pull up the image of the book?

00:56:44.000 What's the description of the book?

00:56:47.000 What does it say?

00:56:53.000 Is that it?

00:56:56.000 The Power of One is everything.

00:56:58.000 This is a novel, actually.

00:56:59.000 No, I don't think that's it.

00:57:01.000 No, that's definitely not it.

00:57:04.000 Clayton?

00:57:04.000 I don't know.

00:57:05.000 No, no, it's the Bryce Courtney one for sure.

00:57:08.000 It's about a young boy growing up in Africa.

00:57:10.000 So it is a novel?

00:57:12.000 Yeah, I read it first and then I listened to the...

00:57:16.000 Alright, I'm confused.

00:57:17.000 No, I have not read this.

00:57:18.000 Okay, it's very good.

00:57:20.000 There's something that has a similar title that's like a self-help book.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, well.

00:57:24.000 Oh, no, this is not a self-help book.

00:57:26.000 This is about a young boy growing up in Africa during apartheid.

00:57:31.000 He's very, like, ostracized from his peers because he's not—I believe I'd have to listen to it again—because he's not, you know, Boorah, he's not a Dutch-African, he's English-African, and— It's his journey through life, basically, and it's really good.

00:57:46.000 But what reminded me of it is we're talking about all the wildlife, and he grows up very much so in the bush in Africa and around wildlife, and he's juggling that and a kind of defunct social system, and it's really good.

00:57:58.000 Africa is so special.

00:58:01.000 Whenever I watch documentaries on Africa and African wildlife, it's like, what a Crazy place. 0.98

00:58:07.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 Where all the nutty things live.

00:58:09.000 Pretty much.

00:58:10.000 And a lot of them, too.

00:58:11.000 That's what's great.

00:58:12.000 I mean, we have some nutty things here.

00:58:14.000 We have mountain lions and grizzlies and stuff like that. 0.98

00:58:16.000 But it ain't shit compared to what they have in Africa. 1.00

00:58:19.000 Having walked kind of through the wilds in a lot of different places, there's nowhere I've been like Africa where you're so like, okay, I'm just a part of the food system now. 0.95

00:58:29.000 Like, I'm not at the top anymore.

00:58:30.000 Like, I'm in the food web.

00:58:32.000 You know, lions can be hunting me.

00:58:33.000 Elephants can charge.

00:58:35.000 There's leopards in the trees.

00:58:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:37.000 You're just, like, you just fit into the food web.

00:58:39.000 You're not at the top of it any longer.

00:58:41.000 Yeah, it's such a weird place, too, when it comes to wildlife, when, you know, they brought so many animals back from the brink of extinction only because they have value for hunting.

00:58:52.000 Right, right.

00:58:53.000 It's so, it's so, everyone's so torn on that because it's, On one hand, you would love it if people had donated enough money to keep these animals healthy and keep them in good populations because we appreciate them.

00:59:06.000 Right.

00:59:06.000 But that's not really the case.

00:59:08.000 It's mostly people that want to shoot them, that are paying money, and because they have value, now their populations are so large.

00:59:15.000 Yep.

00:59:15.000 And so everyone's really torn on that.

00:59:18.000 They're like, oh, this is weird.

00:59:20.000 Even hunters are torn on it.

00:59:21.000 For sure.

00:59:22.000 And it's full spectrum.

00:59:23.000 Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

00:59:42.000 And it's such a spectrum is what I was going to say because you have these national parks that absolutely do work.

00:59:47.000 People pay enough money for tourism, ecotourism dollars to do photo safaris and the wildlife's managed.

00:59:52.000 You have these other areas that are managed by hunting dollars and they're managed beautifully well.

00:59:57.000 They're sustaining animals.

00:59:58.000 They're reproducing them and they're putting them in other habitats and ecosystems and parts of Africa. 0.88

01:00:03.000 And then you have...

01:00:05.000 Yeah.

01:00:30.000 Yeah, there's a giant issue with corruption there.

01:00:33.000 Huge.

01:00:34.000 Yeah.

01:00:35.000 Whenever you have poverty, right?

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 Where I grew up in Zimbabwe, the Mugabe regime, I mean, it's notorious for being as corrupt as it was and created violence and uprisings.

01:00:46.000 And that's why my family came here because we got thrown off our land and like crazy stuff.

01:00:50.000 It's very, very corrupt.

01:00:52.000 Yeah. 0.81

01:00:52.000 Yeah, it's a wild place, man. 0.81

01:00:55.000 My buddy Justin Brand runs this charity.

01:00:58.000 Do you know who he is?

01:00:59.000 I don't know.

01:00:59.000 He runs Fight for the Forgotten.

01:01:01.000 They build wells for the pygmies. 1.00

01:01:03.000 Okay.

01:01:03.000 We work with them with the Cash App.

01:01:05.000 He came back with a terrible disease.

01:01:07.000 Yes.

01:01:08.000 I heard that on one of your podcasts.

01:01:09.000 Yes.

01:01:09.000 He doesn't know what it is.

01:01:10.000 They don't know what it is. 0.99

01:01:11.000 He's got some crazy parasite, and they think it might be in his brain. 0.99

01:01:14.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

01:01:15.000 Not only that, he goes so deep into the Congo that they feel like it might be an undiscovered parasite.

01:01:21.000 Yeah.

01:01:22.000 Yeah, like, he might be the first one.

01:01:24.000 I shouldn't laugh.

01:01:25.000 It's like, that's the worst way to find a new species ever.

01:01:27.000 It's terrible.

01:01:28.000 It's been going on for six months.

01:01:30.000 And he's, like, in really poor health? 1.00

01:01:32.000 He's all fucked up, yeah. 0.99

01:01:33.000 And he's a fighter for Bellator. 1.00

01:01:36.000 He's one of their top heavyweights.

01:01:37.000 Yeah.

01:01:37.000 And so, you know, he's in the prime of his career, and he can't really work out right.

01:01:41.000 Like, He'll work out and then he'll break out into cold sweats and they have to get him in the shower and heat his body up.

01:01:47.000 It's a mess.

01:01:49.000 It's really bad.

01:01:50.000 And the drugs that they put them on, the other thing is when you're on antibiotics, One of the side effects of some antibiotics, like Cipro, is that your ligaments get weak. 0.99

01:02:05.000 And so he's a fucking cage fighter. 0.97

01:02:08.000 So he's tearing his shoulders. 1.00

01:02:10.000 Both of his shoulders are fucked up now. 0.99

01:02:12.000 Because your connective tissue is just not as strong. 0.99

01:02:17.000 Our whole system...

01:02:20.000 Apparently, I mean, I really don't know what I'm talking about, but apparently our whole system is fueled sort of, it's one gigantic unit. 0.98

01:02:30.000 And so when you do something like you introduce antibiotics and you crush all these invading diseases or these invading bacteria or whatever the fuck, staph or whatever is fucking with you. 0.90

01:02:44.000 The microorganisms, yeah. 0.98

01:02:45.000 All the microbiome.

01:02:46.000 Yep.

01:02:46.000 The rest of your body gets devastated as well.

01:02:49.000 Sure.

01:02:49.000 Including, like, people who are more prone to depression afterwards.

01:02:53.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick was talking about that.

01:02:55.000 She had a staph infection, and it screwed her up for a long time.

01:02:58.000 Really?

01:02:59.000 Just because her whole body was out of whack from the antibiotics.

01:03:02.000 Because, you know, you get staph, they're worried about you're going to die.

01:03:05.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:05.000 So they just pump you full of anything they try to kill.

01:03:08.000 Of course.

01:03:09.000 Moral of the story, no good deed goes unpunished.

01:03:12.000 You know, don't try help people.

01:03:13.000 Yeah.

01:03:14.000 It's terrible.

01:03:15.000 I'm kidding.

01:03:16.000 I'm kidding.

01:03:16.000 He's got malaria three times, too.

01:03:18.000 Oh, jeez.

01:03:19.000 Yeah.

01:03:20.000 But I bet he's passionate about what he does, and he's made an impact.

01:03:23.000 The most passionate.

01:03:25.000 Yeah.

01:03:25.000 He's like the most generous person I've ever met in my life.

01:03:27.000 It's fantastic. 1.00

01:03:27.000 Every time I talk to him, I feel like a selfish piece of shit. 1.00

01:03:31.000 He's dedicating his whole life, and everything is for other people. 1.00

01:03:34.000 Everything is for the Congo. 0.99

01:03:35.000 Everything is for the Pygmies. 0.99

01:03:36.000 It's amazing. 0.99

01:03:36.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99

01:03:37.000 It is. 0.99

01:03:38.000 It really is.

01:03:38.000 Very admirable.

01:03:39.000 However, he's fucked. 1.00

01:03:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:41.000 Like you said, they don't know what, and they think it might be in his brain, which is a giant issue.

01:03:46.000 Of course.

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.000 Jeez.

01:03:48.000 I mean, and obviously, if it's in his brain, I mean, depending upon what kind of parasite it is, it could be growing. 0.99

01:03:54.000 It's just, I hate parasites. 0.98

01:03:56.000 It's like the one thing that makes my skin crawl.

01:03:59.000 That's weird, because I love them.

01:04:00.000 Yeah, I'm sure they're your favorite, yeah. 0.78

01:04:03.000 Who's out there like, man, I love parasites. 0.99

01:04:05.000 I mean, birds are cool, but fucking parasites, where it's at? 0.99

01:04:08.000 I had a professor like that in college, actually. 1.00

01:04:10.000 Really?

01:04:10.000 Yeah, he's a parasitologist.

01:04:12.000 He loved them.

01:04:13.000 Well, it's a field of study.

01:04:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:17.000 So the last time I saw you, I think, was right before we headed to the Galapagos.

01:04:21.000 I was telling you about that crazy island we went on.

01:04:23.000 We found that tortoise.

01:04:25.000 Did you know that?

01:04:25.000 Yeah.

01:04:26.000 First, only one specimen has ever been found before, 114 years ago.

01:04:31.000 And we found the second one.

01:04:33.000 The biggest discovery in my entire career was the week after I saw you last.

01:04:37.000 Wow.

01:04:38.000 Yeah.

01:04:38.000 It was amazing.

01:04:39.000 What kind of tortoise is this?

01:04:41.000 The Fernandina Island Tortoise.

01:04:43.000 Big Galapagos tortoise on this crazy active volcano on far remote Galapagos.

01:04:48.000 We had gnarly sunstroke, heatstroke, I mean everything.

01:04:52.000 And after a few days of hiking up and down this volcano, we found scat and then we found a dig like a tortoise had been digging and 15 minutes later we found the animal.

01:05:00.000 I mean, how many of them are in the wild?

01:05:02.000 There's a return trip that just...

01:05:04.000 One return trip just went right now, and then another one will go in January.

01:05:08.000 But what's great is, on the first return trip, they had to bail because of weather, and the weather is very harsh there.

01:05:14.000 They found evidence of two more animals.

01:05:16.000 So things are looking really good.

01:05:18.000 So there might be like four alive on the planet?

01:05:21.000 Well, right now there's one.

01:05:23.000 The one we found.

01:05:24.000 She's literally the rarest animal in the world.

01:05:26.000 Do you have an image of this?

01:05:28.000 It's on my Instagram, but it was on Forbes, Times, New York, you know, everywhere.

01:05:33.000 It was like big, big stuff.

01:05:34.000 So you can look up Fernandina Island tortoise.

01:05:36.000 When you find something like that, what gets done to ensure the population remains?

01:05:41.000 There she is.

01:05:41.000 There it is.

01:05:42.000 So how did you know?

01:05:44.000 What's the distinguishing factors?

01:05:47.000 What's the only animal on the island?

01:05:48.000 It's the only tortoise on the island.

01:05:49.000 So because tortoises can't swim, at least not across the ocean, so because of where they were, if we had found a tortoise, it was going to be the Fernandina tortoise.

01:06:00.000 Now that being said, the unique shell ridging, the shape...

01:06:03.000 What a crazy animal.

01:06:07.000 There's a video...

01:06:07.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:06:08.000 There she is.

01:06:11.000 So cool.

01:06:12.000 There's a video.

01:06:13.000 Oh, I think it's the one on the top right of your screen right now where we actually find her.

01:06:16.000 So you picked it up?

01:06:16.000 You carried it away?

01:06:17.000 Yeah, we put her in a...

01:06:18.000 She was super malnourished, underweight, dehydrated.

01:06:21.000 She was stuck in an isolated pocket of vegetation because there's nothing but lava around her.

01:06:26.000 Nah, this video is boring.

01:06:28.000 But there's a cool one where you actually see me find her in the bushes.

01:06:33.000 And yeah, it was big stuff.

01:06:35.000 Look at you, you're crying.

01:06:35.000 You're so happy.

01:06:35.000 I was pretty happy.

01:06:36.000 Wow.

01:06:37.000 It was just such a big find.

01:06:40.000 And such, you know, the tortoise, like Lonesome George, is an icon of conservation.

01:06:43.000 So to find the species that the world had lost for 114 years was pretty great. 0.80

01:06:48.000 Imagine being a tortoise, just chilling on this fucking island, hanging out, and some famous biologist flies from all the way around the world to find you. 0.98

01:06:55.000 Like, you're here! 1.00

01:06:56.000 He's like crying and shit. 1.00

01:06:57.000 You're like, I'm fucking here every day. 1.00

01:06:58.000 Like, leave me alone, yeah. 1.00

01:06:59.000 I'm trying to find some plants, bro.

01:07:01.000 But I think in this case, she was stoked.

01:07:03.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:07:04.000 She was super dehydrated, super underweight. 1.00

01:07:06.000 It's terrible living conditions.

01:07:08.000 And she was stuck, right?

01:07:09.000 So it's not like she could roam around the island and find lots of food and water.

01:07:12.000 There's five foot shards of lava rock surrounding this little pocket of...

01:07:17.000 So we moved her to the Fausto Lorena breeding facility, which is where Lonesome George was kept, that other famous tortoise.

01:07:23.000 She put on like 7 pounds or 17 pounds in like 3 weeks because she was so happy to eat.

01:07:28.000 She didn't leave her water dish for like 10 days because she was just so happy to see water.

01:07:32.000 Oh wow.

01:07:33.000 She was stoked.

01:07:34.000 And now they're trying to find a male.

01:07:36.000 Trying to get some freak on.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, trying to get the freak on.

01:07:39.000 And this has spurred a ton of resources, conservation dollars, return efforts.

01:07:44.000 It's really big for the Galapagos.

01:07:46.000 So how does that work if you do find a male? 1.00

01:07:49.000 What if she's an old lady and she doesn't want to fuck? 1.00

01:07:51.000 And you bring some male and he's like, hey baby, and he's like 15 and she's 80. She's like, come on, dude. 1.00

01:07:57.000 Fortunately, reptiles breed until they die.

01:08:01.000 So we should be good.

01:08:03.000 And even more interesting than that is tortoises can retain viable sperm.

01:08:08.000 So, what we had hoped when we found her was that, you know, maybe she had copulated with a male 10 years prior and had been under such tough environmental stress that she hadn't had the biological energy to lay eggs.

01:08:19.000 And we're thinking, oh, let's get her some food, get her some water, who knows?

01:08:22.000 Maybe she'll give some offspring. 1.00

01:08:24.000 So, she might already have fertilized eggs inside of her from 10 years ago? 1.00

01:08:28.000 Yep.

01:08:28.000 Sperm can live in them to, like, up to 20 years.

01:08:30.000 That's some serious sperm. 1.00

01:08:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:33.000 Tortoise sperm. 0.99

01:08:34.000 Slow and steady. 0.99

01:08:34.000 Serious sperm. 0.99

01:08:36.000 What... 1.00

01:08:37.000 God damn. 1.00

01:08:39.000 What longevity. 1.00

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 Amazing.

01:08:43.000 Really?

01:08:43.000 Yeah.

01:08:44.000 So if they find a viable male and then they bring him to the facility and introduce him to all the food and water, do they have success in taking these wild tortoises and getting them to breed?

01:08:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:54.000 Absolutely.

01:08:55.000 And I think when you hear this, you're thinking they're in a box, you know what I mean, in a zoo.

01:09:02.000 They're in this thing that's bigger than your studio here.

01:09:04.000 I don't mean this room, the whole studio.

01:09:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:06.000 It's all natural vegetation.

01:09:08.000 Basically, we just moved her from one island to another where there's less stress.

01:09:11.000 And now, if they get a male, they'll just have them together. 0.94

01:09:14.000 Hopefully, they'll be offspring.

01:09:15.000 Then they can release the offspring back on the island and the population can remain stable.

01:09:19.000 That's awesome.

01:09:21.000 Wow.

01:09:22.000 That's really cool.

01:09:22.000 That was fun.

01:09:23.000 But I remember I was sitting here and we were talking about it.

01:09:25.000 I was like, yeah, you know, tomorrow I leave for the Galapagos.

01:09:26.000 It's going to be gnarly. 0.94

01:09:27.000 It's going to suck.

01:09:28.000 And then we had this amazing find.

01:09:29.000 So it was really cool.

01:09:30.000 Now, the Galapagos is so protected that don't they make you, like, put fresh shoes on?

01:09:36.000 Like, you can't bring shoes that you wore somewhere else that might carry seeds?

01:09:40.000 Yep.

01:09:40.000 We had to go to quarantine for 48 hours.

01:09:42.000 Everything we brought with us had to go into a giant freezer?

01:09:45.000 Yeah, freezer.

01:09:47.000 And sit there for two days, and we kind of had to twiddle our thumbs just waiting, and then we got all our stuff back, got on the boats, and went out to that island.

01:09:53.000 So the giant freezer supposedly kills any sort of spores or anything?

01:09:58.000 Wow.

01:09:58.000 It gets really cold, if I remember correctly, and you go through everything.

01:10:02.000 They go through your boots, you look for any seeds, you go through your underwear, like literally everything to see if you're bringing any contaminants in. 0.97

01:10:08.000 God, that's so fucking cool. 0.96

01:10:10.000 It is. 0.91

01:10:10.000 So the Galapagos is really the place where Darwin started formulating a lot of his theories of evolution, right? 0.91

01:10:16.000 With the finches and the tortoises.

01:10:18.000 Look at that.

01:10:19.000 That crazy skeleton.

01:10:20.000 What is that from?

01:10:21.000 Some kind of marine mammal.

01:10:22.000 Sea lion, possibly whale.

01:10:24.000 It's hard to say.

01:10:25.000 They got beach there or something?

01:10:26.000 Mm-hmm.

01:10:27.000 Wow.

01:10:28.000 And then that's Fernandina.

01:10:29.000 That's the Stark Island in the background, actually, where we found the tortoise.

01:10:33.000 Oh, wow.

01:10:33.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 It's a big-ass island, man, to find one turtle.

01:10:37.000 Mm-hmm.

01:10:37.000 Tortoise, excuse me.

01:10:38.000 It's all good.

01:10:38.000 I have a hard time with that.

01:10:40.000 I want to get lazy and just call them all turtles.

01:10:42.000 She's got a shell. 1.00

01:10:43.000 What the fuck's the problem? 1.00

01:10:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Just swim better.

01:10:48.000 Yeah, no, so that was cool.

01:10:49.000 It was crazy.

01:10:50.000 It was very difficult and hot and, you know, all those things and just so exciting.

01:10:55.000 Wow, that's amazing, man.

01:10:56.000 Yeah, that was fun.

01:10:57.000 So when you do have a discovery like this, I mean, that's got to, like, open up the door for more funding, more research possibilities, more trips.

01:11:08.000 Hugely.

01:11:09.000 What do you want to do next?

01:11:10.000 Well, that's twofold, right?

01:11:12.000 One is, it doesn't necessarily open the door for me more, which is good.

01:11:16.000 It doesn't need to.

01:11:17.000 It opens the door for the species.

01:11:18.000 And what I mean by that is, when an animal's declared extinct, that's it.

01:11:21.000 It's gone, right?

01:11:22.000 Extinct means vanished, like no longer in existence.

01:11:25.000 So when you find it back, that opens up the dollars for return efforts, management, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:11:30.000 And that's what's going on currently for that particular species.

01:11:33.000 It's great for me in the sense that it's like, oh, this guy is furthering his reputation of being able to find these things that other people aren't, which really just boils down to me being willing to embrace shittier conditions than I think a lot of other people are.

01:11:46.000 But what's next for me?

01:11:48.000 I mean, I take off for Africa, I think, January 4th, January 5th.

01:11:53.000 And I'll be there for five weeks working on some missing sharks.

01:11:58.000 Missing sharks?

01:11:59.000 Yeah.

01:11:59.000 What kind of sharks?

01:12:00.000 There's four species that in the wild coast, which is like from Durban up to Mozambique on the east, southeastern Africa, that haven't been seen in 30 years or more.

01:12:10.000 And it's not necessarily that they're extinct so much as nobody looks for them.

01:12:15.000 And, you know, it's like it's a very gray area of are these animals still there or not?

01:12:20.000 And so myself, this guy named Dave Ebert, he's the president of the North American Elastomer Brank Society, like big shark guy, you know, big other bio nerd like myself.

01:12:28.000 We're teaming up and we're going down there to try and find some of these animals.

01:12:32.000 I was reading something recently about great whites in South Africa, that there's a massive decline.

01:12:38.000 Orcas.

01:12:39.000 Orcas were killing white sharks in Muscle Bay, that area where...

01:12:43.000 In Hans Bay, yeah.

01:12:45.000 And I don't exactly remember the reason.

01:12:47.000 I think they were eating their livers out of the white sharks.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, they like their liver, right?

01:12:51.000 Why do they like their liver so much?

01:12:53.000 Minerals.

01:12:54.000 Full of minerals.

01:12:55.000 Yeah.

01:12:55.000 Because, you know, your liver acts as the filter for the body, basically.

01:12:59.000 And so it's pretty well known that big predators, orcas, leopards, lions, you know, everything, they like to target the liver.

01:13:07.000 Yeah.

01:13:08.000 And it gives them lots of minerals that otherwise they can't get from flesh.

01:13:11.000 I was watching a documentary on wolves and that was one of the ways that the alpha establishes itself that when there's a kill, it's the first to eat the liver.

01:13:18.000 Oh, interesting.

01:13:19.000 And there's a guy who was living with these wolves and he was like tricking them that he was a wolf and one of the ways he would do it was he would eat a liver in front of them. 0.99

01:13:27.000 And so they're like, wow, this guy might be the shit. 1.00

01:13:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:30.000 And then the guy went away because he's a wolf expert.

01:13:32.000 And he went away because there was a farmer that was having issues with wolves.

01:13:38.000 And they were trying to figure out a way to get the wolves to leave his livestock alone.

01:13:41.000 So what they did was they set up a speaker system.

01:13:43.000 So they put these gigantic speakers up, and they started broadcasting these aggressive wolf howls to let this other wolf pack know that a new wolf pack had moved into the area.

01:13:54.000 So this guy was on this project for several months, came back to the original wolf pack that he was, like, conning into thinking that he was, and a new alpha had taken over.

01:14:05.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:05.000 And the new alpha was threatening him, and so he had a whimper, and he was, like, really in danger of being torn apart by a wolf.

01:14:12.000 And on camera.

01:14:13.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:14.000 So he's inches away from this wolf and it's baring its teeth.

01:14:19.000 Jesus.

01:14:20.000 I mean, he's with real wolves.

01:14:22.000 Right.

01:14:22.000 Right?

01:14:22.000 And so this guy's like curled up in a fetal position and whimpering and putting his paw out like this.

01:14:28.000 And this fucking wolf is baring its teeth just inches from him. 1.00

01:14:31.000 Huge wolf. 1.00

01:14:32.000 150 pound wolf.

01:14:33.000 Like inches from him. 0.97

01:14:34.000 Just ready to tear him to shreds. 0.99

01:14:36.000 Because they kill each other all the time. 0.99

01:14:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:38.000 Where was this?

01:14:39.000 In the U.S.? No.

01:14:40.000 No, it wasn't in the U.S. I don't remember where it was, but it was really weird.

01:14:44.000 Like, this guy's life was so strange because he was, for a long period of time, when he was running this research, was living with wolves.

01:14:53.000 So he's with them.

01:14:54.000 You know, he's a part of the pack.

01:14:57.000 I gotta ask you this, and don't answer it if it's uncomfortable, but in my field, working with specialized experts, a lot like him, obviously that's a whole other level, they start to take on characteristics of these animals, I've noticed.

01:15:09.000 So, like, I worked with a guy who was a bear expert, right?

01:15:13.000 And he spent his whole life with bears, and this man was basically a bear.

01:15:17.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:15:17.000 He was grumpy, he was cranky, he was big, he was hairy, like, Every part of him seemed like a human bear.

01:15:23.000 I'm wondering if this guy was like that.

01:15:25.000 Did it seem to you like he had started to lose touch with social norms and he was starting to take on traits of a wolf?

01:15:31.000 That's a good question.

01:15:32.000 Is this it?

01:15:33.000 Yeah, this is the guy.

01:15:34.000 So this guy...

01:15:35.000 Is this the guy?

01:15:37.000 This is a documentary from 2007-2008 called The Wolfman.

01:15:40.000 Yeah, I think this is it.

01:15:42.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.000 So there, like...

01:15:45.000 Jesus.

01:15:46.000 The way they threaten each other.

01:15:47.000 You know, I mean, so he would have a kill, and he would drag it over, and he would eat the liver in front of them. 1.00

01:15:56.000 And so by doing that, he would trick them into thinking he was the shit. 1.00

01:16:00.000 See? 1.00

01:16:01.000 He's got the liver.

01:16:02.000 Tell me that guy doesn't express wolf characteristics.

01:16:05.000 Like, look at his body language.

01:16:07.000 I know he's doing that intentionally for the animal, but to me, that guy looks like he thinks he's a wolf.

01:16:11.000 Look at that.

01:16:12.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:16:14.000 How are the cameramen...

01:16:15.000 Able to get this close and they're safe too.

01:16:17.000 Very good question.

01:16:19.000 Look at this guy. 1.00

01:16:20.000 He's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Yeah, that's something else. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Like, bro, you're made out of Jell-O. You are literally a water balloon filled with Jell-O and you're hanging around these super predators.

01:16:31.000 It's nuts.

01:16:32.000 I love wolves.

01:16:34.000 They're one of my favorite animals on the planet.

01:16:35.000 I just think they're so fascinating and now that they've been reintroduced into the West, you know, I know, look at that, like, it's growling, the thing's kissing him to show the submissive, so he's eating the liver in front of it.

01:16:49.000 Have you ever been to the wolf sanctuary out here in Palmdale?

01:16:51.000 No, no, I heard it's awesome, no.

01:16:52.000 If you ever want to go, let me know.

01:16:53.000 I would love to.

01:16:55.000 They don't do it for the general public, but they rescue wolves and wolf dogs and rehabilitate them, and a lot of times they've been in fights, and they've come out of terrible places, and they've got a few animals that they're very closely related to full-blood wild wolves,

01:17:11.000 and you can go in and interact with them.

01:17:13.000 You're not petting them, it's not a puppy, you know what I mean?

01:17:15.000 They don't behave like a dog.

01:17:16.000 But you can go in and have one come up and approach you and sniff you.

01:17:20.000 It's a pretty fantastic experience.

01:17:22.000 It really is.

01:17:22.000 I'd like to go.

01:17:23.000 Let's do it, man.

01:17:24.000 Let's do it.

01:17:24.000 I'm in.

01:17:24.000 I'll set it up.

01:17:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:26.000 Not doing what that asshole's doing. 1.00

01:17:28.000 You can do that. 1.00

01:17:29.000 I'll be behind the camera.

01:17:31.000 What I was saying is that, you know, since they've reintroduced them into the West, there's been a lot of controversy behind that, and there's talks about doing that in Colorado, and people are really freaking out, like ranchers are freaking out, like, hey, there's a reason why everybody killed these things off.

01:17:48.000 Right. 0.98

01:17:48.000 Don't fucking bring them back. 0.98

01:17:50.000 There was another surplus killing that they found, I think in Wyoming, where they just wiped out a bunch. 1.00

01:17:57.000 They'll just go ham and kill 14, 15 elk cows just because they can.

01:18:04.000 And they don't eat them.

01:18:05.000 There's a term for that.

01:18:06.000 It's henhouse syndrome.

01:18:07.000 Have you heard of that?

01:18:08.000 No.

01:18:08.000 So it's basically like when a fox gets into the henhouse, They get in this killing frenzy state.

01:18:14.000 It's not like they're going to eat 30 different chickens, but they're going to kill everyone because they're in this state.

01:18:20.000 I don't know that's necessarily the case for that, but it is scary to think of an apex predator like a wolf getting into that hen house type syndrome, killing 30 elk just because they can.

01:18:32.000 But you know what's really interesting, Joe, is...

01:18:34.000 If you look...

01:18:35.000 I've done a little bit of reading on this.

01:18:37.000 If you look at how many instances of wolf fatalities there are in North America...

01:18:42.000 For humans?

01:18:43.000 Very few.

01:18:43.000 For humans?

01:18:43.000 It's like two.

01:18:44.000 For three.

01:18:45.000 It's some very, very low number.

01:18:46.000 Yeah, there was one in Alaska a couple years back.

01:18:50.000 There was a woman. 0.95

01:18:50.000 I think she was a jogger. 0.95

01:18:52.000 And there's one other one.

01:18:55.000 Yeah.

01:18:55.000 And that's kind of it.

01:18:57.000 That's documented.

01:18:58.000 However...

01:18:59.000 I have a friend who actually shot an elk in BC, in British Columbia, and they didn't know it, but the elk expired right next to a wolf den.

01:19:10.000 Oh, what?

01:19:11.000 And the wolves tried to claim the elk.

01:19:14.000 They, like, came out and stood over it?

01:19:15.000 So he and the guy that he was with had their back to a tree, and they shot and killed three attacking wolves.

01:19:23.000 Wow.

01:19:23.000 And he killed two of them with a bow and arrow.

01:19:25.000 And the other guy killed one with a rifle.

01:19:27.000 And they were like almost out of bullets and he had one arrow left.

01:19:31.000 And they're surrounded by wolves.

01:19:32.000 But they had killed enough.

01:19:34.000 So, you know, wolves, they do this, they do like a roll call.

01:19:37.000 They howl and they see who responds and they realize that they had lost three.

01:19:41.000 And so they bailed and they took off out of the area.

01:19:43.000 But they were in the den.

01:19:44.000 He said there was bones in there.

01:19:46.000 And then they realized like that they just were hunting and they shot an elk and it just happened to be right where the wolves had a den.

01:19:54.000 It's terrifying.

01:19:54.000 I have one of the skulls at home on my desk.

01:19:56.000 Of the wolves?

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:19:58.000 It's crazy.

01:19:59.000 The story's nuts when John tells the story.

01:20:01.000 Is that John Dudley?

01:20:02.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 Oh, no kidding.

01:20:04.000 There's a video of it.

01:20:05.000 You can watch it on YouTube.

01:20:05.000 When he's telling the story, you can see him going back to the moment.

01:20:10.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98

01:20:12.000 That sounds like a scene out of The Grey. 1.00

01:20:14.000 They're in the den.

01:20:16.000 He was in the den.

01:20:18.000 In the den.

01:20:19.000 I spend my life working with animals that are considered dangerous, and there's wolves, bears, there's a handful of others.

01:20:26.000 You just don't want to be in that situation.

01:20:28.000 Obviously, it wasn't intentional, but it's just a no-win situation.

01:20:32.000 We had Glenn Villeneuve from that show Life Below Zero.

01:20:36.000 Oh yeah, I know the show.

01:20:37.000 Yeah, and he was on the podcast recently, and he was talking about the time that he got chased by wolves.

01:20:42.000 Okay.

01:20:43.000 And this was also on camera.

01:20:44.000 Like, he's got video footage of this and photographic footage of this, where he's living in this little tiny shack that's right next to a lake, and these wolves had killed a moose.

01:20:55.000 And they were in the middle of this frozen lake.

01:20:57.000 There was 20 of them.

01:20:58.000 It was in a huge wolf pack.

01:20:59.000 That's enormous.

01:21:00.000 That is amazing.

01:21:01.000 An enormous wolf pack.

01:21:02.000 Yeah, he's got all the photos of this all on his Facebook page.

01:21:05.000 See if you can pull that up.

01:21:06.000 Pull up Glenville News.

01:21:07.000 20 wolves in a pack?

01:21:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:08.000 It's amazing.

01:21:09.000 John Dudley's picture.

01:21:09.000 There's John Dudley with one of the wolves that he killed that was trying to kill him and steal his elk.

01:21:16.000 They were running at him.

01:21:18.000 They were running at him full clip.

01:21:19.000 He shot two wolves that were running at him.

01:21:22.000 Wow.

01:21:22.000 He said they were charging at him full clip.

01:21:24.000 And he's at full draw on his... 0.71

01:21:27.000 You know, he kills one, and then another one comes running down, bang, they kill that one.

01:21:31.000 He only carries a four-arrow quiver. 0.98

01:21:33.000 Right.

01:21:34.000 So he had one arrow that he killed the elk, two arrows that he killed wolves, one arrow left, and he's got his back to a tree, and the guy he's with had three bullets.

01:21:42.000 No sidearm?

01:21:43.000 Nothing!

01:21:44.000 They were just elk hunting.

01:21:45.000 Right. 1.00

01:21:46.000 You know, they're like, fuck! 1.00

01:21:47.000 Jeez. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Yeah, so see this Glenn Villeneuve.

01:21:51.000 So he's got a series of amazing photographs that he took from his shack and they chased him.

01:21:57.000 They chased him back to his cat.

01:21:59.000 He got close to them, like within, you know, 100 yards or so to take photographs.

01:22:03.000 And they started circling him and looking at him.

01:22:06.000 And then he starts backing up and they start trotting and then he just runs and they run.

01:22:10.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:22:11.000 And he got to the fucking door of his cabin. 0.99

01:22:13.000 And this happened twice. 1.00

01:22:15.000 And then he got a rifle out and just started shooting him. 0.92

01:22:17.000 Gotcha.

01:22:17.000 They were running at him.

01:22:18.000 He shot three of them.

01:22:19.000 I mean, I don't know the situation, but turning your back on a pack of wolves and running.

01:22:23.000 I mean, maybe they were already advancing.

01:22:25.000 I don't know.

01:22:25.000 But that just sounds terrible.

01:22:27.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:22:28.000 Acting like prey is a good way to get killed.

01:22:30.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:22:30.000 I mean, he's a really wise man. 0.93

01:22:32.000 He really understands the woods and nature as good as anybody.

01:22:36.000 But I think he was one of those situations where he knew he could get back to the cabin, and if he didn't get back to the cabin, the way they were approaching him, they were getting closer and closer.

01:22:43.000 Look at that pack.

01:22:43.000 Oh my god.

01:22:44.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:22:45.000 That is a phenomenon in itself.

01:22:47.000 You don't see packs of 20 wolves.

01:22:49.000 Yes.

01:22:50.000 He was saying that one of the largest documented packs in that area was 18. This is actually bigger than that.

01:22:56.000 And they had a moose down.

01:22:59.000 So they had this moose down, moose calf down in the middle of this frozen lake.

01:23:05.000 That guy is so interesting, man.

01:23:06.000 Yeah.

01:23:07.000 I've really loved the podcast with him because, you know, he had just decided, like, I want to try to live, like, as close to nature as possible.

01:23:13.000 No vehicles, nothing.

01:23:15.000 Just snowshoes and a rifle, living in a tiny little cabin, eating nothing but meat.

01:23:20.000 Really?

01:23:21.000 Just what he collects?

01:23:22.000 Nothing but meat and fat.

01:23:22.000 Yeah.

01:23:23.000 Wow.

01:23:23.000 And, you know, get really close to starving at one point in time.

01:23:26.000 That's when he started.

01:23:26.000 This is what it looked like.

01:23:27.000 It says 2004. I'm familiar with the show, but I haven't actually watched it.

01:23:32.000 He's on The Life Below Zero.

01:23:34.000 He was.

01:23:35.000 He didn't get along with them.

01:23:38.000 He's a really unique character, and I think they had a hard time with his uniqueness.

01:23:43.000 Sure.

01:23:45.000 Out of all those people on that show, he's living the weirdest life.

01:23:49.000 Because all the other ones are like, oh, they have sled dogs, and they gather salmon for their dogs with one of those salmon wheels. 0.98

01:23:57.000 And then they have a cabin, and they have a fire in the cabin, and they're living, and they're eating dinner on plates and shit like that. 0.99

01:24:06.000 Not him, man. 0.99

01:24:08.000 He's living in this one little shack that he built himself. 0.96

01:24:12.000 Everything he's eating is food that he shot and killed walking around. 0.61

01:24:16.000 Wow.

01:24:17.000 He stole a caribou from a wolf.

01:24:19.000 What?

01:24:20.000 A wolf killed a caribou and he ran up and stole it because he was starving.

01:24:23.000 Amazing.

01:24:24.000 The guy's living as close to wild as you could possibly get.

01:24:27.000 Other than the fact that he has bullets and a gun and some...

01:24:29.000 But even he starts fires.

01:24:31.000 He wasn't using matches to start fires because he could run out of matches.

01:24:34.000 That's unbelievable. 0.99

01:24:34.000 So he's using like flint and steel and shit. 0.99

01:24:36.000 Like... 0.98

01:24:37.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 What's his motivation?

01:24:39.000 Why?

01:24:39.000 Does he just want to be closer to nature?

01:24:41.000 Like, that's it?

01:24:42.000 Yeah.

01:24:43.000 You should listen to it if you get a chance.

01:24:45.000 He's a really, really unique person.

01:24:48.000 Wow.

01:24:48.000 He has an outhouse today.

01:24:52.000 He doesn't have a toilet.

01:24:53.000 He doesn't have running water today in Fairbanks.

01:24:56.000 No way.

01:24:56.000 Yeah, so he's got a plot of land in Fairbanks.

01:24:58.000 He built a house there, and he doesn't have plumbing.

01:25:01.000 He's like, ah, that's too much work.

01:25:02.000 He just goes outside, and it's 50 below outside. 0.99

01:25:06.000 He's shitting in a hole in the ground. 0.96

01:25:08.000 I have so much respect for that. 0.99

01:25:10.000 I'll do it for two, three, four weeks at a time on an excursion.

01:25:13.000 I'm very happy to get back to a bed and a shower.

01:25:17.000 That's a whole other level.

01:25:19.000 I've never gone more than seven days.

01:25:20.000 I've done these seven day hunts, like the one where I got this mule deer right here with my friend Steve Rinella, but he introduced us to hunting.

01:25:30.000 And this was in Montana, and it was October, and it got down to, you know, like nine degrees outside, and we're sleeping in these tents, and it was wonderful.

01:25:39.000 I mean, it was a fantastic experience.

01:25:41.000 It really opened my eyes to real wild and wilderness, what it's like to hunt, and then at the end of this week, we went back to Billings, and we got a hotel room, and I got a shower, and I was like, oh my god.

01:25:55.000 A hot shower after a week in the woods.

01:25:58.000 I was with Brian Callen and me and Callen was like, how good was that shower?

01:26:05.000 Oh my God.

01:26:06.000 It's not what you think.

01:26:07.000 It's the best thing ever.

01:26:07.000 It's the most amazing shower ever.

01:26:09.000 You don't appreciate showers because you get in them all the time.

01:26:13.000 No.

01:26:14.000 Especially in California, because it doesn't get 9 degrees here.

01:26:16.000 Right, right, yeah.

01:26:17.000 So being outside, freezing your ass off, but also having the reward of actually shooting a deer, and then we ate a lot of it that night, and we were cooking it over the fire, and then the whole trip was done on the Missouri breaks.

01:26:32.000 So we're on the Missouri River, and so we took the river 40 miles.

01:26:36.000 Oh, wow.

01:26:37.000 Canoes? 0.96

01:26:37.000 Yeah, canoes and, you know, we had all our cargo and all our shit in there and we're rowing. 0.96

01:26:46.000 And so just a long-ass journey. 0.92

01:26:48.000 It was pretty intense.

01:26:50.000 And to go back to civilization after that, it's like you appreciate civilization because most of the time you don't appreciate it.

01:26:58.000 Janky little hotel in Billings.

01:27:00.000 But to me, it was like a palace.

01:27:02.000 Totally.

01:27:02.000 It's like, ah, look at this bed.

01:27:04.000 Look at this blanket.

01:27:05.000 Oh, luxury.

01:27:07.000 A television?

01:27:08.000 I don't mind if I do.

01:27:09.000 I know the feeling.

01:27:10.000 Yeah.

01:27:11.000 I'm on your page for that.

01:27:12.000 I like returning and decompressing.

01:27:16.000 And then for me, it's like within a couple of weeks, I'm like, all right, ready to go for the next one.

01:27:20.000 I go back to not appreciating the comforts of home.

01:27:22.000 Then I'm ready to go again.

01:27:24.000 Well, you've probably developed a taste for both things, right?

01:27:27.000 For sure.

01:27:28.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:27:28.000 That's cool, though.

01:27:30.000 You're experiencing so many different facets of life on Earth.

01:27:34.000 You're going to all these different environments and ecosystems.

01:27:37.000 You're in the water.

01:27:38.000 You're on the land.

01:27:39.000 You're in jungles.

01:27:40.000 You're on islands.

01:27:41.000 You're living, man.

01:27:42.000 I love it. 0.99

01:27:43.000 You're fucking living. 0.99

01:27:44.000 Thanks, man. 0.99

01:27:44.000 It's very cool. 0.99

01:27:45.000 I admire it.

01:27:46.000 But it comes, you know, like your buddy, you know, who got the diseases from the Congo, it comes with its costs.

01:27:51.000 Like, you know, we were in Borneo this year, and we were at a research station in the middle of the jungle, and I don't know enough about bee ecology, but it was like bee season.

01:28:01.000 And I mean, you should see some of our videos on Instagram.

01:28:04.000 It's like, I'm talking about...

01:28:07.000 Covered, head to toe in bees.

01:28:08.000 We were taking like 40 to 50 stings on average per day, per person.

01:28:12.000 You know, and it's just so miserable.

01:28:15.000 40 to 50 a day?

01:28:17.000 There's 8 hours in a day?

01:28:19.000 Yeah.

01:28:19.000 So you're literally taking stings all day long?

01:28:22.000 Well, no, it's worse than that because we were only at the station in the morning or evenings, right?

01:28:27.000 Before waking up or going to bed.

01:28:28.000 The rest of the time we're out in the field not taking stings.

01:28:30.000 So you're taking like 25 when you wake up and like 25 before you go to bed.

01:28:35.000 Oh my god!

01:28:36.000 It's like, ow, ow, ow.

01:28:37.000 It's just so miserable.

01:28:38.000 I'm saying it's eight hours in a day as if a day is a work day.

01:28:41.000 So when you're doing this, is there a way to prevent it?

01:28:45.000 Can you use a repellent?

01:28:47.000 Nothing worked.

01:28:48.000 We put scarves over our heads.

01:28:51.000 And these are bees, not hornets, right?

01:28:53.000 So every time they sting you, they die.

01:28:55.000 Yes, but then when we were getting that caiman, we encountered hornets that put my cameraman into anaphylactic shock.

01:29:02.000 They were so bad.

01:29:03.000 Oh, great.

01:29:03.000 Yeah, so it comes with its cost, which I think my point was, it makes you appreciate the comfort so much more when you get back.

01:29:10.000 See that tarantula hawk in that little glass vial?

01:29:13.000 I did.

01:29:13.000 I was picking it up right before you walked in.

01:29:16.000 My buddy Maynard sent me that.

01:29:17.000 Yeah?

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:18.000 We have these here.

01:29:19.000 It's from his farm.

01:29:19.000 Yeah, he's got it from Arizona, man.

01:29:21.000 Yeah.

01:29:21.000 That's from his, he owns a vineyard, and he's got a farm in Arizona, and he was telling me about these things, and he got a dead one and sent it to me.

01:29:28.000 They're super cool. 0.99

01:29:29.000 Look at the size of that fucker. 1.00

01:29:30.000 It's a bird. 1.00

01:29:31.000 And they come out of holes in the ground, hunt tarantulas.

01:29:33.000 Like, you know their story, right?

01:29:35.000 Yeah.

01:29:35.000 Well, tell everybody.

01:29:36.000 Yeah, so I mean, the tarantula hawk, it's a parasitic wasp, right?

01:29:40.000 So it comes out, it hunts for tarantulas, it lays its eggs, I believe, in the abdomen of the tarantula, and then the eggs hatch and explode out of the tarantula, and that's the life cycle. 1.00

01:29:52.000 My nature, you cruel bitch. 1.00

01:29:55.000 Right? 1.00

01:29:55.000 You beautiful, fantastic, complicated, cruel bitch. 1.00

01:29:59.000 It's insane. 1.00

01:30:00.000 Oh my god.

01:30:01.000 I'm sure you've seen the video of those hornets that visit this beehive.

01:30:06.000 They visit a honeybee hive and just start, these Japanese hornets, and they just start chopping off the heads off the bees. 1.00

01:30:11.000 No way.

01:30:12.000 I don't know about this.

01:30:13.000 You don't know about this?

01:30:13.000 No.

01:30:13.000 I can't believe I'm telling you about animals.

01:30:16.000 Teach me.

01:30:16.000 Teach me, Jill.

01:30:17.000 Oh my goodness.

01:30:18.000 There's a certain species of hornets that flies into honeybees.

01:30:23.000 I think it's Japanese hornets.

01:30:24.000 They fly into these hives of honeybees and just decimate the honeybees.

01:30:29.000 They cut their heads off with their mandibles. 1.00

01:30:32.000 Chomp, chomp, chomp. 0.94

01:30:33.000 And they're so much bigger.

01:30:34.000 So they fly in and there's this slow motion video of these enormous hornets flying in and decapitating thousands and thousands of honeybees.

01:30:47.000 So what's interesting is the honeybees, they're so outsized.

01:30:52.000 I mean, the hornets are literally like 50, 60 times larger than them.

01:30:55.000 You see it there.

01:30:56.000 Maybe that's not the right number, but they're much, much larger and they're much more powerful.

01:31:00.000 But the honeybees figured out a strategy to kill the hornets. 0.66

01:31:05.000 And what they do is they surround them.

01:31:08.000 They get on top of them and then they beat their wings.

01:31:12.000 They all generate heat.

01:31:14.000 And then they kill the hornets with the heat of their body.

01:31:18.000 That's unbelievable.

01:31:20.000 Unbelievable.

01:31:20.000 Yeah.

01:31:21.000 So here's this thing that's decapitating everyone in your little village, right?

01:31:25.000 And so you have to jump on top of it and flex.

01:31:28.000 And heat it up, right?

01:31:29.000 And heat it up.

01:31:29.000 Yeah.

01:31:30.000 But the fact that they were able to devise this strategy...

01:31:33.000 See, look how they do it, man.

01:31:34.000 They just grab ahold of these bees and just decapitate them. 0.58

01:31:37.000 It's unbelievable.

01:31:38.000 They have these horrific faces, right?

01:31:40.000 These giant mandibles.

01:31:41.000 Yeah, I can see that.

01:31:42.000 And they just swarm in and they just...

01:31:44.000 Look at them. 1.00

01:31:45.000 They're just chopping these fucking honeybees apart. 1.00

01:31:48.000 You said it, nature, you cruel, beautiful bitch. 1.00

01:31:51.000 Cruel, beautiful bitch. 1.00

01:31:52.000 So, 30 hornets versus 30,000 bees. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Do you know why the hornets are doing this?

01:31:57.000 Are they getting honey?

01:31:58.000 They probably want the larva.

01:31:59.000 The larva, yeah.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, they probably want the larva or they want the honey.

01:32:03.000 They want something. 1.00

01:32:03.000 But look at all these dead fucking bees with no heads. 1.00

01:32:07.000 Bizarre. 1.00

01:32:07.000 It's crazy! 1.00

01:32:08.000 It's nuts.

01:32:09.000 I mean, it's just so weird that nature devises these sort of strategies to prevent overpopulation and that there's this balance that takes place where the bees are threatened by something that's very bee-like.

01:32:26.000 So you see how they're getting on top of them?

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 So that's their strategy for dealing.

01:32:31.000 They all get on top of them.

01:32:33.000 See, you see a bunch of them now.

01:32:34.000 And he's trying to get away, but he can't fly away.

01:32:37.000 And so then they swarm, and then they eventually kill him.

01:32:40.000 So you think that actually cooks the wasp?

01:32:43.000 Something that overheats their body in it.

01:32:45.000 See, look how many of them are on there.

01:32:46.000 Yeah.

01:32:47.000 There's something that it does where it overheats their body.

01:32:50.000 Wow.

01:32:51.000 I mean, look at the size comparison.

01:32:53.000 They're so much bigger.

01:32:55.000 Imagine if you had that hornet, you know, that was six feet long.

01:32:59.000 Oh my god.

01:33:00.000 Like, I think giant insects would be the worst.

01:33:02.000 The worst?

01:33:03.000 Yeah.

01:33:03.000 The worst, I think, would be praying mantises.

01:33:06.000 They scare the shit out of me. 0.91

01:33:07.000 We've been on a praying mantis kick lately, been watching them kill rats and everything. 0.95

01:33:12.000 Hummingbirds.

01:33:13.000 The hummingbird one is the wildest one.

01:33:15.000 They sit by a hummingbird feeder, just sit there not moving, and the hummingbird comes to feed and they just...

01:33:19.000 Just spear it.

01:33:20.000 Snatch them. 0.99

01:33:21.000 It's crazy, right?

01:33:22.000 They're so strong for their size.

01:33:24.000 Yeah.

01:33:24.000 You know, there was one with a mouse, and the mouse is so much bigger than the praying mantis, but the praying mantis just jacks this mouse.

01:33:31.000 It's crazy.

01:33:32.000 It's wild.

01:33:33.000 It is.

01:33:34.000 It's a wild creature, man.

01:33:35.000 Yeah, they're amazing.

01:33:36.000 They're really, really cool looking, though.

01:33:38.000 I see them all the time.

01:33:39.000 I find them all the time when I'm running.

01:33:40.000 Here in LA, right?

01:33:42.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:33:42.000 They're all over the place.

01:33:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:44.000 No, they're amazingly cool.

01:33:46.000 And very diverse.

01:33:47.000 You know, there's huge ones, there's small ones, they're spread out all over the world.

01:33:50.000 They're an amazing group of animals.

01:33:52.000 What is this?

01:33:52.000 One got a snake?

01:33:53.000 This is lots of them.

01:33:54.000 It's like a highlight video.

01:33:56.000 Oh my god, look at that. 1.00

01:33:58.000 He's got a fucking snake. 1.00

01:33:59.000 I think we can't even imagine how strong they would be if they were our size. 1.00

01:34:03.000 I think they would run right through walls.

01:34:05.000 Oh yeah.

01:34:06.000 They would. 1.00

01:34:07.000 I mean, look at this fucker. 1.00

01:34:08.000 He's taking on a giant snake. 1.00

01:34:09.000 Now he's eating it.

01:34:10.000 That snake is like two feet long. 1.00

01:34:12.000 And he's a little-ass humming, little-ass pragmantus, and he's fucking it up. 1.00

01:34:16.000 He's literally eating it. 1.00

01:34:17.000 Yeah.

01:34:18.000 Just pulling chunks out of it.

01:34:19.000 They're insane.

01:34:19.000 And they have such crazy eyesight, and, like, they're literally covered in body armor with their exoskeleton.

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 Like, they're just, they're amazing.

01:34:26.000 Well, they seem like what you would think of as being like a horrific animal that lives on another planet.

01:34:31.000 Totally.

01:34:32.000 Totally.

01:34:32.000 Like, do you remember that movie, Starship Troopers?

01:34:35.000 Of course.

01:34:36.000 I love that movie.

01:34:37.000 That was a great movie, right?

01:34:37.000 Yeah, I loved it.

01:34:38.000 And that was one of the things in the Starship Troopers, like these big giant insect things.

01:34:41.000 Yep. 0.94

01:34:42.000 Bursting out of the ground and shooting stuff out of their butts. 0.98

01:34:45.000 And they were great. 0.98

01:34:46.000 I love that movie.

01:34:47.000 Yeah.

01:34:47.000 Cory Rico?

01:34:48.000 Yeah.

01:34:50.000 That was a fun movie, right?

01:34:51.000 Yeah.

01:34:51.000 It was kind of tongue-in-cheek.

01:34:52.000 Totally.

01:34:53.000 But also really gory and violent.

01:34:55.000 Neil Patrick Harris is the genius.

01:34:58.000 It's great.

01:34:59.000 That was such a fun movie.

01:35:01.000 That's great stuff.

01:35:03.000 We're really fortunate that those things are small.

01:35:06.000 That all insects are small.

01:35:08.000 We would be on the menu otherwise.

01:35:09.000 No doubt about it.

01:35:10.000 They're two indiscriminately perfect hunters.

01:35:14.000 Big predatory insects.

01:35:16.000 Is there a history on the fossil record of enormous bugs?

01:35:21.000 Like isopods and things like that, but not that I know of, like, you know, six-foot-long praying mantises.

01:35:27.000 It's weird how things sort of figure out what size they should be, you know?

01:35:33.000 Yeah, just based on what the environment can support and what their lifestyle supports.

01:35:37.000 Like island dwarfism?

01:35:38.000 Mm-hmm.

01:35:38.000 Insular dwarfism.

01:35:39.000 That's pretty bizarre, too.

01:35:40.000 And there's insular gigantism as well, right?

01:35:42.000 It exists in both spectrums.

01:35:44.000 Like if there's tons of prey and something gets there, it gets bigger and bigger.

01:35:46.000 If there's not enough resources, it gets smaller and smaller.

01:35:49.000 Do you know about the lions that are in a very specific part of Africa where the river branched off and left them on an island with only buffalo?

01:35:57.000 We discussed this last time.

01:35:59.000 I don't know if it was on the podcast or in the back there, but that's how I learned more about it chatting with you last time.

01:36:05.000 I remember we looked it up.

01:36:06.000 There's a great documentary for people who don't know about.

01:36:08.000 It's called Relentless Enemies.

01:36:09.000 And it's these enormous lions.

01:36:13.000 These lions have evolved to only kill buffalo.

01:36:15.000 So the female lions are as big as regular male lions. 0.99

01:36:19.000 Jacked.

01:36:19.000 They look fake.

01:36:20.000 They look like bodybuilder lions.

01:36:22.000 They do.

01:36:23.000 And they just, all they do, and what's weird, this is what's really weird about the documentary, there's several packs that live on this island, but one pack has these enormous super lions, and then there's another pack of regular-sized lions.

01:36:34.000 Really?

01:36:35.000 Yeah.

01:36:35.000 So does that pride of the supersized lions, are they dominant over the other one, or are they just preying on different species?

01:36:41.000 I don't know.

01:36:42.000 It's interesting.

01:36:42.000 I don't know, but I found it weird that one pack evolved and became enormous, and then the other pack just kind of didn't.

01:36:50.000 Selective breeding, right?

01:36:51.000 If you're big and jacked, hang out over here and eat buffalo. 1.00

01:36:54.000 If you're a bitch-ass lion, go hang out over there. 1.00

01:36:57.000 But what's crazy also is how recently it took place. 0.99

01:37:01.000 I think it was less than 100 years that the river had switched and that these animals started to adapt.

01:37:08.000 They literally are twice the size of a normal female lion.

01:37:13.000 It's crazy.

01:37:13.000 And it's huge.

01:37:14.000 But also, they're only eating buffalo.

01:37:17.000 Right.

01:37:17.000 I bet if you ate water buffalo every day, you'd just get jacked by default.

01:37:20.000 I'd look like The Rock.

01:37:21.000 Yeah, you would, bro.

01:37:22.000 You should do it.

01:37:23.000 It's carnivore month coming in July.

01:37:25.000 I think those things often rise and fall, you know, and we're in a state where we understand it.

01:37:30.000 What I mean by that is...

01:37:31.000 So the river changes.

01:37:32.000 You've got nothing but lions and buffalo.

01:37:34.000 Lions get bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:37:36.000 Eventually, they get to the point where they wipe out all the buffalo because it's not sustainable.

01:37:40.000 Then the lions collapse.

01:37:41.000 So what's cool is that we can actually see that in action, right?

01:37:45.000 Over our lifespan, we can see this generational change.

01:37:48.000 And the lions, it might not collapse.

01:37:51.000 It could last tens of thousands of years.

01:37:53.000 But it's interesting that you can actually see it taking place.

01:37:56.000 It's evolution in action, basically.

01:37:58.000 Yeah.

01:37:59.000 There's a documentary from the BBC about the Congo that gets into that, and they talk about how quickly the rainforest had grown, and what used to be grasslands became this enormous, dense rainforest, and a lot of these animals that were plains animals had to figure out a way to survive,

01:38:18.000 and so they adapted, and they were talking about the diker.

01:38:21.000 That little tiny little antelope that swims underwater for as much as 100 yards and eats fish.

01:38:28.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:38:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:30.000 I mean, you just summed it up.

01:38:31.000 It's nuts. 1.00

01:38:32.000 A fucking antelope that eats fish. 1.00

01:38:33.000 Right, and can hold its breath and free dive. 1.00

01:38:37.000 God, nature's crazy.

01:38:39.000 Nature is metal.

01:38:41.000 Have you always been fascinated by nature?

01:38:43.000 I mean, you obviously are now, but what a perfect career you have.

01:38:46.000 Yeah, I mean, I feel like I have the perfect job, and I have.

01:38:50.000 From when I was a little kid, you know, so growing up in Zimbabwe, my family owned safari businesses.

01:38:54.000 That was what we did.

01:38:56.000 But when you're a little kid in the bush in Zimbabwe, you can't just go out running around, you know, so you're kind of stuck in camp.

01:39:01.000 So I'd be the one flipping over logs and grabbing earthworms and catching snakes.

01:39:05.000 The way you just said can't, I heard South Africa.

01:39:07.000 There you go.

01:39:07.000 It's like every now and then it pops out.

01:39:09.000 Yep, it's the hard A's.

01:39:10.000 You mostly blend in.

01:39:12.000 I try.

01:39:13.000 Yeah.

01:39:14.000 But yeah, no, I started young and it's just been my driving force since I was a little kid.

01:39:20.000 That's so cool.

01:39:21.000 Yeah.

01:39:22.000 Well, it's such an amazing subject and there's so much to look at.

01:39:25.000 You will never run out of things to study.

01:39:28.000 Never.

01:39:29.000 And you never stop learning.

01:39:30.000 Today I learned about the wasps and the bees.

01:39:32.000 I consider myself pretty well read in the field of wildlife.

01:39:35.000 That's all new to me.

01:39:36.000 I'm going to go home.

01:39:37.000 I'm going to Google it.

01:39:38.000 It's just so fantastic.

01:39:39.000 It never ends.

01:39:40.000 Do you know about the bees in Nepal that make psychedelic honey?

01:39:43.000 I do.

01:39:43.000 Yeah, I do.

01:39:44.000 That's wild.

01:39:44.000 And how they harvest that honey?

01:39:46.000 Yes.

01:39:47.000 Dude, pull up some video or some images of that, because these guys are risking their lives to trip balls on this crazy honey. 0.52

01:39:54.000 Yeah.

01:39:54.000 What's the pollen that they're getting it from?

01:39:58.000 What are they getting it that's causing it to be psychedelic?

01:40:00.000 All I know is what you just said, which is it's the pollen that they're creating the honey out of that is making it psychedelic, but I don't know what it is.

01:40:06.000 I want to trip balls on that honey.

01:40:08.000 There you go. 0.93

01:40:08.000 Can you imagine? 0.93

01:40:09.000 Go lick some honey off a cliff in Nepal and see what happens.

01:40:12.000 It must be really good.

01:40:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:15.000 If you can get honey other places, but this honey makes you trip.

01:40:18.000 I wonder what the actual psychoactive substance in the honey is.

01:40:24.000 No idea.

01:40:24.000 I've never even looked into it.

01:40:25.000 Yeah.

01:40:26.000 What does it say, Jamie?

01:40:28.000 But these guys, they've apparently decided it's worth rappelling on the side of these mountains because it grows off the side of cliffs.

01:40:36.000 Yeah, it looks like big shelf fungus.

01:40:38.000 It grows out horizontally off these vertical cliffs.

01:40:42.000 Yeah, and as these guys are harvesting it, they're hanging on ropes from cliffs, getting lit up by bees.

01:40:48.000 And then popping psychedelic honey in their mouth.

01:40:51.000 But it's worth it, man!

01:40:53.000 Do-do [...]-do.

01:40:59.000 The speculation on it was that maybe the higher altitudes allowed this neurotoxin to develop called gray anotoxin, which is in it.

01:41:08.000 It's called red honey, specifically.

01:41:10.000 Oh, you can buy it?

01:41:12.000 It says the potency diminishes over time, so it might not last that long.

01:41:17.000 Oh, you've got to get it fresh.

01:41:18.000 Right, yeah.

01:41:20.000 Interesting.

01:41:20.000 White ronadendrons.

01:41:22.000 Oh, ronadendrons.

01:41:24.000 Click on that again, please.

01:41:25.000 We have rhododendrons, probably a different family here, you know, as pretty plants around California.

01:41:31.000 Oh, that's just a descriptive of the actual plant.

01:41:33.000 It might be that specific one in the altitude because it stays up there.

01:41:38.000 So, it's exported from Nepal to Japan, Korea, and Hong Kong.

01:41:44.000 The red honey is prized for its purported medicinal value and intoxicating qualities and are attributed to this gray nanotoxin present in the nectar collected from white rhododendrons.

01:41:58.000 The Gurung, am I saying that right? 0.78

01:42:00.000 Gurung people in Nepal are renowned for their use of this Mad Honey.

01:42:04.000 Dude, we need to buy Mad Honey.

01:42:06.000 That's great.

01:42:06.000 Is Mad Honey for sale?

01:42:08.000 See if we can buy Mad Honey.

01:42:09.000 That should be the name of a band.

01:42:11.000 It's a good name.

01:42:12.000 That's a good name.

01:42:13.000 That's a great band name.

01:42:14.000 Mad Honey.

01:42:15.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Mad Honey. 1.00

01:42:20.000 They come out frothing at the mouth.

01:42:23.000 There it is.

01:42:24.000 Where's the Mad Honey, bro?

01:42:27.000 Come on.

01:42:28.000 Mad Honey's safe.

01:42:29.000 I don't want to know if it's safe.

01:42:31.000 I just want to know if I can get it.

01:42:32.000 I'll take a chance.

01:42:35.000 Buy Mad Honey. 1.00

01:42:36.000 Here we go.

01:42:36.000 Come on, baby.

01:42:37.000 Amazon.

01:42:37.000 What do you got?

01:42:39.000 MadHoney.net?

01:42:41.000 Uh-oh.

01:42:41.000 Oh, MadHoney.net.

01:42:43.000 There you go.

01:42:44.000 There it is.

01:42:45.000 Mad Honey from Nepal. 1.00

01:42:46.000 Order that shit, son. 1.00

01:42:49.000 115 grams for how much? 1.00

01:42:51.000 It's like $40.

01:42:52.000 It's up there on the top right.

01:42:54.000 Strongest, most potent Mad Honey available.

01:42:56.000 Done.

01:42:57.000 Look at that.

01:42:58.000 Add to cart. 0.99

01:43:01.000 Order it! 0.99

01:43:01.000 Alright. 0.99

01:43:02.000 Here we go.

01:43:03.000 Okay, we'll order something.

01:43:04.000 We're going to get some mad honey. 1.00

01:43:05.000 I like that.

01:43:06.000 Now I'm very excited.

01:43:07.000 I'm very excited we're not live, too. 0.99

01:43:08.000 Because that way you assholes out there can't just steal up all the mad honey. 0.98

01:43:12.000 Because if we were live, we would never have a chance. 1.00

01:43:14.000 They would scoop up all the mad honey. 0.70

01:43:16.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:43:16.000 Yeah, we're going to get some mad honey.

01:43:17.000 I like that.

01:43:18.000 I'm going to buy you a jug.

01:43:19.000 I'm in.

01:43:19.000 We're mixing it in coffee next time.

01:43:21.000 What do you think it does to you?

01:43:23.000 If you had a guess, would you be willing to just sit here and do some mad honey and some tea?

01:43:27.000 Something organic like that?

01:43:28.000 I'm totally into it.

01:43:30.000 Just get an Uber.

01:43:32.000 Exactly.

01:43:32.000 Back to Santa Barbara.

01:43:34.000 It says it's a psychedelic, right?

01:43:36.000 Yes.

01:43:37.000 I wonder what kind.

01:43:39.000 It says you have to be 18 to order it.

01:43:40.000 I'm 18. It says their mad honey does contain the gray anotoxins, or otherwise it would just be regular honey, and it is laboratory tested to assure consistent quality, and it is safe and effective, it says.

01:43:52.000 What is effective?

01:43:53.000 It's not FDA tested, I wouldn't imagine.

01:43:55.000 If it tastes good, is it effective?

01:43:57.000 Right.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, it tastes good.

01:43:58.000 Or does it make you feel weird?

01:43:59.000 Yeah, what are you saying?

01:44:00.000 Does it make you trip, and how long does it last?

01:44:02.000 And also, do you have to eat the entire jar of honey to feel anything?

01:44:05.000 Right.

01:44:06.000 Right.

01:44:07.000 What kind of dosage are we talking about?

01:44:08.000 Anything else I should know?

01:44:09.000 They have not been evaluated by the FDA. These statements have not been evaluated intended for education and research purposes only.

01:44:16.000 Of course.

01:44:17.000 Dude, I'm all about education and research.

01:44:20.000 There's some R&D going on and some honey over here.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, but these parts of the world where people are willing to harvest things like that, like, how did they figure that out? 0.94

01:44:29.000 Who was the first guy that's like, you see that fucking beehive up there? 0.96

01:44:32.000 Right. 0.99

01:44:32.000 I'm gonna get some of that honey, dude. 0.99

01:44:34.000 Right, I'm gonna dangle off a cliff, yeah.

01:44:36.000 Like, good luck, my friend.

01:44:39.000 I was saying this the other day to some buddies.

01:44:41.000 Who was the first guy to figure out caviar?

01:44:43.000 Who's the first guy to suck off a sturgeon and be like, hmm, this is delicious?

01:44:47.000 Good point.

01:44:47.000 I guess they probably just eat everything they can out of a fish.

01:44:52.000 And if you catch a sturgeon, man, the whole village is eating.

01:44:55.000 Yeah, I mean, some of them are 9, 10 feet long.

01:44:57.000 Dude, they are so big.

01:44:58.000 My friends John and Jen, they live in Alberta, and they went sturgeon fishing, and they caught them and put them on their Instagram page.

01:45:05.000 And you look at it like, that is a prehistoric dinosaur-type creature.

01:45:10.000 That thing is enormous.

01:45:11.000 Those big scales down the sides and down the back and the weird mouth and whiskers, they're bizarre.

01:45:17.000 Yeah, there's something about the way you're looking at them.

01:45:19.000 You're like, I don't feel like you should be catching that.

01:45:21.000 Right.

01:45:22.000 Looks too old.

01:45:23.000 Yeah, it looks like you should probably leave that thing alone.

01:45:26.000 They think that that might be one of the, you know, there's a lot of those North American things that they think are monsters, like Nessie, you know, like the Loch Ness Monster.

01:45:36.000 They also have, like, ones in Lake Michigan.

01:45:40.000 What do they call it?

01:45:41.000 Lake Champlain.

01:45:41.000 They have a Lake Champlain one.

01:45:42.000 And they think that it might be sturgeon.

01:45:45.000 Oh, interesting.

01:45:46.000 Because, you know, especially because people have a tendency to exaggerate.

01:45:50.000 If you see a 10-foot sturgeon, you would think it's 50 feet long.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, totally.

01:45:55.000 It's a dinosaur.

01:45:56.000 Totally, totally.

01:45:57.000 Do you know that, this is kind of interesting, they actually had documented bull sharks stuck in the Great Lakes.

01:46:04.000 Yes, I'd heard about that.

01:46:05.000 That's pretty amazing.

01:46:06.000 That is nuts.

01:46:07.000 Sharks swimming a thousand miles from Louisiana up rivers and getting stuck in the Great Lakes.

01:46:12.000 Well, they're one of the rare sharks that can breathe fresh water, right?

01:46:15.000 Mm-hmm.

01:46:16.000 Catadromous.

01:46:16.000 That's what it is?

01:46:17.000 Yeah, in and out of fresh water.

01:46:20.000 They go through osmoregulation.

01:46:21.000 They can get the salt out or in, whatever they need, and then go into the rivers, spend time in the rivers, go back into the ocean to hunt.

01:46:28.000 The inspiration for the movie Jaws was apparently Bull Sharks in New Jersey, a series of attacks in fresh water on a river system.

01:46:35.000 Right, but near an ocean, I believe, right?

01:46:36.000 Like at a river mouth, yeah.

01:46:38.000 Yeah, that was my understanding as well.

01:46:39.000 Yeah, these people were going into the river, and these bull sharks were killing them.

01:46:43.000 Right.

01:46:44.000 Like, in a river.

01:46:45.000 Yeah.

01:46:46.000 Like, what?

01:46:47.000 Nowhere safe.

01:46:48.000 Nowhere is safe.

01:46:49.000 Well, they're really aggressive, right?

01:46:50.000 Yeah.

01:46:50.000 They have the highest testosterone of any species of shark, and so they're just ready all the time.

01:46:59.000 They're bullish, and their shoulders are kind of arched over, and their pecs are locked, and they look ready at any time to just snap.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, they found them all the way up in, like, Illinois.

01:47:09.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 Yeah.

01:47:11.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:47:12.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:47:13.000 Like, think of the temperature in Chicago right now, you know? 1.00

01:47:15.000 Oh, and the shark swims all the way up there.

01:47:17.000 Cold-blooded monster.

01:47:19.000 Yeah.

01:47:20.000 How'd they get into the Great Lakes?

01:47:22.000 Well, they used to go up the Mississippi River, but I think with all the locks that are there now in place, they just...

01:47:27.000 I think the idea was that they got stuck there when they were building the locks, and then they died out over time.

01:47:32.000 Ah, when was the last known sighting of one?

01:47:35.000 Oh.

01:47:36.000 Two years ago.

01:47:37.000 There you go.

01:47:38.000 There's been one found in Iowa, Texas.

01:47:42.000 Iowa? 0.99

01:47:44.000 How the fuck is a shark getting to Iowa? 0.99

01:47:47.000 Imagine, yeah, we lost Billy, he got bit by a shark. 0.99

01:47:49.000 What was he, surfing?

01:47:50.000 No, he was in Iowa.

01:47:52.000 Right, right.

01:47:52.000 He was plowing corn and got killed by a shark.

01:47:55.000 Billy might be an asshole. 1.00

01:47:56.000 In Ohio they found him. 1.00

01:47:58.000 Really?

01:47:59.000 Yeah.

01:48:00.000 Ohio?

01:48:00.000 Sharks in Ohio.

01:48:03.000 What?

01:48:03.000 How did they get into Ohio?

01:48:05.000 I mean, all those rivers are connected. 0.99

01:48:06.000 God damn, that's amazing. 0.99

01:48:08.000 Right? 0.99

01:48:10.000 Nature finds a way.

01:48:11.000 You know, whenever I look at those videos of bears catching salmon as they're jumping up the river, like, what was the first salmon thinking when it decided, hey, I'm going to go up these rocks back to the place where I was born and spawn there?

01:48:28.000 Put a target on my back. 0.98

01:48:29.000 And then, oh, this gigantic fucking bear waiting to catch me in the air. 0.99

01:48:34.000 Like, those images of bears catching them with their mouths as the salmon are flying through the air trying to make it up the... 0.99

01:48:40.000 But it's so weird.

01:48:42.000 Like, what a weird system.

01:48:43.000 It's like, nature's assuring robustness.

01:48:46.000 They're assuring that these fragile fish don't make it.

01:48:50.000 Because in order to be able to make that trip to the ocean and back to get through the rivers and streams to survive, you have to be...

01:48:58.000 Rugged.

01:48:58.000 Right.

01:48:58.000 And so they're insuring it.

01:49:00.000 So they're going upstream, swimming against the current. 1.00

01:49:03.000 Oh, and by the way, here's a fucking 1,800-pound bear looking to eat you. 1.00

01:49:10.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:49:11.000 God, it's crazy.

01:49:12.000 It's so cool.

01:49:13.000 But that that is a viable system.

01:49:15.000 This is the system that's been in place forever.

01:49:17.000 Right.

01:49:17.000 So strange.

01:49:18.000 Right.

01:49:19.000 And that, you know, we can...

01:49:22.000 We destroy that so quickly.

01:49:24.000 We put one dam in and that ruins that whole ecosystem for that river and the bears and the salmon and the spawning.

01:49:29.000 We can remedy it.

01:49:30.000 We put salmon ladders in and yada yada.

01:49:32.000 But it's interesting that everything seems so tough as you just said and at the same time it's so fragile because we do one thing like put in a hydroelectric dam and it ruins the entire ecosystem.

01:49:44.000 Yeah, we were in Seattle, and in Seattle there's a place where you can go, and it's like underneath this bridge, and there's these clear plexiglass walls, and you can actually see the salmon making their way through and up the river, and they were explaining how they had put dams in and didn't really understand the consequences of putting these dams back when they did,

01:50:04.000 and then all these salmon would go to the mouth of the river where they thought they were going to go upriver, and it would be blocked.

01:50:10.000 Right.

01:50:10.000 And they'll be stuck there.

01:50:11.000 And they just died.

01:50:12.000 And they didn't breed.

01:50:13.000 And so the population drastically diminished.

01:50:15.000 These salmon died in the harbor.

01:50:18.000 Yep.

01:50:19.000 Like, really wild stuff.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:20.000 It's crazy.

01:50:21.000 And that supports, you know, like, that food source, that protein supports...

01:50:25.000 Not just like the bears and the birds, but like the whole river's ecology, right?

01:50:29.000 Like the river, the algaes that live in the river, the little bugs that live in the algae depend on those salmon dying up that river and fertilizing the river.

01:50:38.000 So it's like the whole thing is so interconnected and then, you know, one little thing and poof.

01:50:43.000 Did you, yeah, that is really crazy.

01:50:46.000 Did you see that video of the octopus that had captured an eagle?

01:50:51.000 That captured an eagle?

01:50:53.000 Yes.

01:50:53.000 It was in Vancouver Island.

01:50:55.000 I know.

01:50:56.000 The octopus had captured an eagle and was trying to eat the eagle, and these fishermen saw the struggle and released the eagle from the grasp of the octopus, which to me is like, that is a...

01:51:08.000 Here it is right here. 0.97

01:51:09.000 Holy crap. 1.00

01:51:10.000 That eagle's like, fuck, help, bro. 1.00

01:51:12.000 Help, help, help, help. 1.00

01:51:14.000 Hello?

01:51:15.000 Well, help.

01:51:15.000 Like...

01:51:16.000 To me, it's weird.

01:51:18.000 It's like, why are you getting involved in this?

01:51:20.000 Right.

01:51:20.000 It's not like...

01:51:21.000 Right.

01:51:21.000 Like, people want to think that eagles are an endangered species.

01:51:24.000 They are absolutely not endangered.

01:51:25.000 You go to Alaska, there are like pigeons up there.

01:51:27.000 There are a lot of them.

01:51:29.000 There's a giant Pacific octopus.

01:51:30.000 They're amazing, those animals.

01:51:32.000 Yeah.

01:51:32.000 But that's the thing.

01:51:34.000 It's like, I kind of like octopus more than I like eagles.

01:51:36.000 They're much smarter.

01:51:37.000 They're way smarter.

01:51:38.000 Yeah.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, they're really interesting.

01:51:40.000 I mean, I love eagles, too.

01:51:42.000 Right.

01:51:42.000 But you kind of got to lay a play out.

01:51:44.000 Look, if I saw, like, a lion...

01:51:46.000 That eagle might not make it anyway.

01:51:48.000 Look at him.

01:51:48.000 Right.

01:51:48.000 He's fucked.

01:51:49.000 He's on the side of the water. 1.00

01:51:51.000 Going, what happened?

01:51:52.000 What happened? 0.99

01:51:53.000 The monkey people saved me from the fucking... 1.00

01:51:56.000 From the kraken. 0.99

01:51:58.000 Yeah, he was...

01:51:59.000 I don't even know how the octopus got him.

01:52:02.000 But, like, what octopus can do...

01:52:06.000 Is nothing short of spectacular.

01:52:09.000 You know, we were talking about my friend Remy Warren earlier.

01:52:12.000 And he had a show on television before called Apex Predator.

01:52:15.000 And it was basically they would study apex predators and, you know, the different strategies they used to be successful as a hunter.

01:52:25.000 And when they did the one on the octopus, you know, he was in here and like, he was like, dude, they're from another planet.

01:52:30.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 He's like, that is...

01:52:32.000 The way they change their texture and their color and the way they do it instantaneously to adapt to their environment and how well they blend in, they're so interesting.

01:52:42.000 I think they're the most alien creature that exists on planet Earth.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:52:46.000 There's a new documentary out on, I think it's PBS, called Making Contact that's just about octopus intelligence.

01:52:52.000 This guy, he's a fisheries biologist, and he gets an octopus and basically lives with it in his living room.

01:52:57.000 Like...

01:52:58.000 He figures out that this thing likes being petted, like it knows how to...

01:53:02.000 It's just...

01:53:02.000 The diverse array of things that this thing can process mentally, it's on par with what chimpanzees do.

01:53:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:11.000 It's just like it can open jars, it can close them, it can come out of the aquarium, go back into it, it'll swim over if it knows you, it knows if it doesn't like you.

01:53:20.000 It's unbelievable.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, really weird, right?

01:53:22.000 Yeah.

01:53:23.000 Is that how we got this video?

01:53:24.000 The octopus dreaming?

01:53:26.000 I just looked it up and it starts with the octopus in the guy's living room.

01:53:29.000 This is it.

01:53:29.000 This is making contact.

01:53:31.000 This is amazing.

01:53:32.000 This video went super viral. 0.99

01:53:33.000 Yeah, well, apparently as the octopus is asleep and dreaming, it's changing the outside color and texture of its skin in relation to whatever the fuck is going on in its head. 0.99

01:53:44.000 Right. 0.99

01:53:45.000 That's so wild, man.

01:53:46.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:53:47.000 It's just so weird how they can instantaneously change their coloration and their texture and then perfectly blend in with coral.

01:53:55.000 Right.

01:53:55.000 Like when you see them stop on a coral reef and just become the reef, you're like, what are you?

01:54:00.000 Instantly, too.

01:54:00.000 It's like, zoop, and it's gone.

01:54:01.000 Look at the colors in this thing.

01:54:03.000 You know, there are people that actually believe they are from out of space.

01:54:08.000 I've seen that.

01:54:08.000 I was going to bring that up to you.

01:54:09.000 There's biologists that believe that they came in in asteroids and eggs.

01:54:14.000 You got it.

01:54:14.000 Yeah.

01:54:15.000 That's exactly right.

01:54:16.000 What do you think about that?

01:54:17.000 Look, I believe in life outside of Earth, but I don't necessarily think that octopus came from that.

01:54:23.000 There are other cephalopods that they're related to genetically, squid and cuttlefish and things like that.

01:54:31.000 I don't necessarily think they came from out of space, but I can see why.

01:54:34.000 There's science to support that it's a possibility, and then I can also see why people think that seeing them.

01:54:40.000 Well, there's thoughts about that with a lot of different life forms, like spores.

01:54:44.000 There's thoughts about that when it comes to psilocybin mushrooms.

01:54:47.000 The real freaky psychedelic heads think that psilocybin mushrooms came from asteroids.

01:54:52.000 Right.

01:54:53.000 And the proof and the pudding in that one, so to speak, is the fact that you can take mushroom spores into the vacuum of space and bring them back to Earth and they still fruit.

01:55:04.000 Yeah.

01:55:05.000 I'm trying to grow weed right now to see what happens out there.

01:55:08.000 Elon sent a little bit of weed into something on the space station, I think.

01:55:11.000 Really?

01:55:11.000 They're going to test it for 30 days and see if it's viable in some way.

01:55:14.000 That's when we get into the weed business.

01:55:17.000 Us and Elon, space weed.

01:55:19.000 SpaceX weed, yeah.

01:55:20.000 Elon sent weed into space legitimately?

01:55:22.000 I don't think this is the first time it's been done, but the story went around because it's the hot topic.

01:55:26.000 That's interesting because when he was on here, I don't even think he inhaled.

01:55:30.000 You know?

01:55:31.000 He's growing weed in space.

01:55:33.000 Look at what the octopus eggs look like.

01:55:36.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:55:38.000 And so they're developing those intelligent chromatophores, that thing that basically the skin picks up the color and changes to match, right there in the embryo.

01:55:48.000 Look at their little eyeballs.

01:55:50.000 How weird.

01:55:51.000 And look how many of them.

01:55:53.000 Like an invasion.

01:55:55.000 Imagine if your wife gave birth to that many people.

01:55:57.000 No thanks.

01:55:58.000 You'd be like, I have a school.

01:56:01.000 I have a school full of kids. 0.99

01:56:03.000 First of all, I'm getting fucking snipped. 0.99

01:56:05.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:56:05.000 Look how they drop off. 0.99

01:56:07.000 That's what the Matrix looked like.

01:56:08.000 Remember that?

01:56:09.000 Exactly.

01:56:09.000 Yeah, it is.

01:56:10.000 Exactly.

01:56:11.000 Dude, the Matrix is not that far off.

01:56:14.000 And it seems like the further we go in time, in human evolutionary time, the more it seems like it's accurate.

01:56:22.000 It's like we're getting more and more plugged in every day.

01:56:24.000 It's like a combination of the Matrix and the Terminator.

01:56:27.000 The two of them together.

01:56:30.000 I'm very concerned about the future of our species.

01:56:32.000 But going back to octopus, octopus and cuttlefish are closely related, right?

01:56:38.000 And they both can change their texture and their color.

01:56:41.000 Yeah.

01:56:42.000 Cuttlefish have less textural changes.

01:56:45.000 They're more color-based.

01:56:46.000 Oh, okay.

01:56:47.000 Yeah.

01:56:47.000 What was the one they did where they had them over a chessboard?

01:56:51.000 And it was trying to...

01:56:52.000 You ever seen that?

01:56:53.000 No.

01:56:53.000 Where an octopus is trying to mimic a chessboard?

01:56:54.000 That's cool.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, it's really weird because it throws their system off because it's so many right angles and it's...

01:56:59.000 The hard transition.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, the one-zero contrast.

01:57:03.000 So when you look at it, like this octopus, like trying to like figure out...

01:57:08.000 Right, what to do?

01:57:09.000 Yeah.

01:57:09.000 Could you see actual lines in his color?

01:57:11.000 I don't remember.

01:57:12.000 I remember it being weird.

01:57:13.000 It's a cuttlefish that they did it with.

01:57:14.000 Is it a cuttlefish?

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:16.000 Let's see if we can see it here.

01:57:17.000 It's very strange.

01:57:19.000 Pictures are good.

01:57:21.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:57:22.000 I mean, that's pretty good.

01:57:24.000 Like... 0.99

01:57:25.000 Pretty fucking good. 0.98

01:57:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:57:26.000 Like, it's got white squares, man. 0.99

01:57:28.000 Right. 1.00

01:57:28.000 The goddamn thing's growing white squares. 1.00

01:57:30.000 It started with the zebra stripes, and then I think maybe it figured out the squares after a couple minutes. 0.99

01:57:34.000 That's pretty impressive.

01:57:35.000 I like the picture in the bottom right there where the guy looks like he's playing chess against the cuttlefish.

01:57:40.000 Oh, never mind.

01:57:41.000 I thought there was a cuttlefish on the...

01:57:44.000 Yeah, just what a strange ability that these animals have figured out. 0.99

01:57:53.000 How the fuck did that evolve? 0.98

01:57:56.000 They're devising strategies in order to be more effective predators while they're in the ocean and hide from other predators. 0.99

01:58:03.000 And they figured out a way to change the color and the texture of their skin.

01:58:07.000 How long did that take?

01:58:09.000 Exactly.

01:58:10.000 Exactly.

01:58:11.000 Millions of years.

01:58:13.000 It's an endless source of fascination.

01:58:16.000 Wildlife documentaries to me are just truly an endless source of fascination.

01:58:20.000 I mean, you preach in the choir, but yeah, I think they're phenomenal.

01:58:24.000 There's just so much we can learn.

01:58:26.000 It's more than just what we learn.

01:58:28.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:58:29.000 That's a nice fact about an octopus.

01:58:30.000 But, you know, we took how we shape jets off of the shape of birds.

01:58:35.000 We've taken so much inspiration from nature into our everyday lives.

01:58:39.000 Look at this.

01:58:40.000 Look at this.

01:58:42.000 Squid skin. 0.83

01:58:44.000 Squid skin. 0.83

01:58:45.000 Oh my god.

01:58:47.000 It's crazy looking.

01:58:48.000 It's like a television.

01:58:49.000 Like the pixels on a television.

01:58:52.000 I didn't know squid could do that too.

01:58:54.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:58:55.000 This is so weird.

01:58:57.000 Oh my god.

01:58:58.000 They're so strange.

01:59:00.000 Such a strange, strange animal.

01:59:03.000 Well, the ocean is so bizarre in and of itself.

01:59:06.000 There's just so many weird creatures in the ocean.

01:59:08.000 It's such an alien environment to us as terrestrial mammals.

01:59:12.000 Do you remember when the tsunami hit Thailand and then there was all these animals that they were finding that they had never really seen before?

01:59:20.000 Washed up on the shores, I remember that, yeah.

01:59:22.000 Yeah, and they were documenting them.

01:59:24.000 There was a whole website dedicated to tsunami deep-sea creatures.

01:59:28.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:59:29.000 Yeah, it was really...

01:59:31.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:59:32.000 Like some of these things that are living, you know, a fucking mile down under the earth. 0.99

01:59:35.000 And you're like, what? 0.98

01:59:36.000 What are you?

01:59:37.000 And they, I forget what the number was, but they got like 30 or 40 new species or something crazy like that.

01:59:43.000 Literally like combing through the streets of the cities where the tsunami had hit.

01:59:47.000 God.

01:59:48.000 Yeah.

01:59:48.000 God.

01:59:49.000 Is that a richer source of bioresources, the ocean, of biodiversity, I should say?

01:59:55.000 The ocean than Earth?

01:59:58.000 Oh, there's more life in the ocean than on terrestrial land, for sure.

02:00:01.000 Yeah.

02:00:02.000 You mean is there more diversity in general?

02:00:04.000 Yeah, more weirdness.

02:00:05.000 Oh yeah, there's way more.

02:00:06.000 I guess it depends how you define weirdness, but look at an octopus, look at a cuttlefish, look at those deep sea creatures, crabs, and all the way into the marine mammals and all the way down to the tiny little insects or isopods that live in the ocean.

02:00:19.000 I think the ocean creatures are very bizarre.

02:00:22.000 How about those giant squid that they found on that oil tanker?

02:00:25.000 Yeah, and they saw that one come through.

02:00:28.000 Giant squid with the crazy crab legs? 0.98

02:00:31.000 Yep.

02:00:32.000 The crab legs?

02:00:33.000 Maybe not.

02:00:33.000 Never see that one?

02:00:34.000 With the crab legs?

02:00:35.000 Is he walking along the bottom?

02:00:36.000 No.

02:00:37.000 It's got, like, it looks like it has appendages.

02:00:40.000 What?

02:00:41.000 Like, with joints.

02:00:42.000 Yeah.

02:00:42.000 Haven't seen that.

02:00:43.000 Oh, my God.

02:00:43.000 Oh, I'm going to show you something else.

02:00:44.000 I'm learning a lot today.

02:00:45.000 I like this.

02:00:48.000 Crazy, alien-looking squid.

02:00:50.000 What's up?

02:00:51.000 I found a...

02:00:52.000 The thing about those pictures, they've been gone around multiple times after tsunamis.

02:00:56.000 Apparently they don't have anything to do with the tsunami.

02:00:58.000 They are real photographs of real strange sea creatures.

02:01:02.000 They just didn't wash up on shore after a tsunami.

02:01:04.000 But what about the thing that you had saw?

02:01:06.000 That's what I heard.

02:01:07.000 It came up in 2004 and 2011, the same photos. 0.54

02:01:10.000 Oh, so people are bullshitting.

02:01:12.000 Oh, so it's like a... 0.99

02:01:13.000 Russians! 0.86

02:01:14.000 I blame the Russians. 1.00

02:01:16.000 Go to pull up that alien squid discovered near oil rig.

02:01:23.000 So they had a camera deep under this oil rig and they spotted this thing with these insane long appendages.

02:01:31.000 Look at this.

02:01:32.000 Oh, whoa.

02:01:33.000 Yeah, that's different.

02:01:34.000 That's not what I thought you were talking about. 0.99

02:01:36.000 Look at the fucking length... 0.98

02:01:38.000 What are those things that dangle from it? 0.99

02:01:40.000 What would you call those things?

02:01:42.000 Tentacles?

02:01:42.000 Legs?

02:01:43.000 Tentacles?

02:01:43.000 Legs?

02:01:43.000 What is it?

02:01:44.000 But look at the legs on it.

02:01:45.000 It's like an insect.

02:01:46.000 Yeah, that's very bizarre.

02:01:48.000 See how they have like very obvious bends.

02:01:52.000 Video courtesy of Shell Oil Company.

02:01:54.000 Doing a good job for nature.

02:01:56.000 Yeah, right.

02:01:57.000 Let me see the deep.

02:01:57.000 There's another one.

02:01:58.000 Is that another image of it?

02:02:00.000 There's another thing.

02:02:01.000 But look how weird it is how it has like clear bends.

02:02:05.000 Like when you see that thing underwater floating around like that, like that looks like an alien.

02:02:10.000 Totally.

02:02:11.000 That is our exact kind of depiction of what an alien species is.

02:02:14.000 Go to that green one right next to it.

02:02:16.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:02:16.000 Like look at that thing.

02:02:17.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:02:18.000 I mean if you saw that underwater you would shit your pants. 0.98

02:02:21.000 100%. 0.99

02:02:23.000 And it's 100 feet.

02:02:24.000 Yeah.

02:02:24.000 It's huge.

02:02:25.000 It's nuts.

02:02:26.000 I mean is it that big?

02:02:27.000 How big they say it was.

02:02:28.000 Am I making that up?

02:02:30.000 Didn't they say the tentacles go crazy long?

02:02:33.000 It looks like it. 0.96

02:02:34.000 Yeah, they said the thing was enormous, but that the length of the actual tentacles, or whatever the fuck it is, was really long. 0.95

02:02:45.000 So strange. 0.85

02:02:46.000 And before they got this video footage of it, they didn't even know something like this was real.

02:02:51.000 And there's a lot of those where you get these deep-sea cameras and you're like, oh, there's a species we haven't ever documented before.

02:02:58.000 So it's in the Gulf of Mexico.

02:03:00.000 They caught it at a depth of 7,800 feet.

02:03:03.000 Does it say how big they think it is?

02:03:06.000 You can just type in that magnapena squid size. 1.00

02:03:12.000 Look at the fucking... 0.99

02:03:14.000 Just how weird it looked. 1.00

02:03:15.000 The way that the head of it sort of pulsates and moves with the waves.

02:03:20.000 It's like a Steven Spielberg creation.

02:03:22.000 Yeah, there's that, and then there's also a puppy.

02:03:25.000 Right.

02:03:25.000 You know, that's how diverse life is.

02:03:28.000 Okay, the length is up to 15 to 20 times the mantle.

02:03:31.000 26 feet.

02:03:32.000 26 feet.

02:03:32.000 Okay, that's pretty big.

02:03:33.000 Or more.

02:03:34.000 Or more.

02:03:34.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 Well, giant octopuses, too, right? 0.98

02:03:36.000 Giant squids were thought to be bullshit until, like, fairly recently, right? 0.99

02:03:41.000 Correct. 0.98

02:03:41.000 Yeah, I don't know when specifically, but they found a few that have washed up, and then they got some actual footage of some. 0.98

02:03:47.000 That's what I thought you were talking about on some rigs.

02:03:51.000 Which is just crazy.

02:03:52.000 What about octopi?

02:03:53.000 What's the largest of the octopi?

02:03:56.000 The giant Pacific octopus.

02:03:57.000 So the species that you saw attacking that eagle, that's not a huge one, but as far as I know, that's the largest one. 1.00

02:04:03.000 Look at the fucker! 0.99

02:04:04.000 Look at that thing! 1.00

02:04:05.000 Look at that dead one! 0.94

02:04:06.000 That's a giant squid?

02:04:07.000 It's a big cephalopod.

02:04:08.000 Wow!

02:04:10.000 That thing's huge.

02:04:11.000 That looks like it's more than 28 feet. 1.00

02:04:14.000 You stretch that bitch out? 1.00

02:04:15.000 No, those ones are like 100 plus feet. 0.99

02:04:18.000 Okay, that's what I'm thinking about.

02:04:20.000 The giant squid, yeah.

02:04:21.000 100 plus feet.

02:04:22.000 They can get up to that, yeah.

02:04:23.000 That is so nuts.

02:04:24.000 Isn't it?

02:04:25.000 A hundred foot jelly creature, you know?

02:04:29.000 And you know what's interesting is sperm whales will leave the surface of the ocean and dive down to their depths to hunt those.

02:04:35.000 Jeez, it must be delicious.

02:04:36.000 That's what their teeth are for. 0.98

02:04:37.000 Calamari, bro.

02:04:38.000 It's a lot of calamari.

02:04:39.000 Calamari's good. 1.00

02:04:40.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

02:04:42.000 So weird. 1.00

02:04:43.000 So the large Pacific octopus, how big, giant Pacific octopus, how big does that guy get?

02:04:51.000 I don't know.

02:04:52.000 I mean, you know, because they're fan out.

02:04:54.000 So I'm not sure.

02:04:56.000 Maybe five feet long, six feet long.

02:04:58.000 But heavy, like 40, 50, 60 pounds, something like that.

02:05:01.000 They've got a really big one at the Monterey Bay Aquarium.

02:05:04.000 Really?

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 Really cool one.

02:05:06.000 Oh, I've been to that.

02:05:06.000 I've been to that aquarium back in the day.

02:05:08.000 Yeah.

02:05:09.000 The legend of the Kraken, like, they used to think that that was all total horseshit.

02:05:15.000 Right.

02:05:15.000 Until they found some fossilized cups.

02:05:19.000 They found some suction cups that were, you know, some fossilized evidence of enormous cups.

02:05:25.000 Right. 0.99

02:05:25.000 That they think are indicative of this, you know, real hundred-foot octopus or huge fucking octopus. 0.99

02:05:32.000 Sure. 0.95

02:05:32.000 Or just a hundred-foot squid on the surface. 0.95

02:05:34.000 Yeah.

02:05:35.000 Like you said, those stories always get embellished.

02:05:37.000 So even if it was a 60-foot squid on the surface, say it was injured or dying, and it was alive, and the boat hit it, and it starts slapping the boat with its tentacles.

02:05:46.000 Hi, mate! 0.62

02:05:47.000 It's the Kraken!

02:05:48.000 Like, that's not going to turn into a crazy sea fable.

02:05:51.000 Can you imagine, though, if you were one of those dudes that was, like, making your way across the ocean and you, you know, in the 1100s or some shit, and you jump in the water to wash off and you get eaten by a giant octopus in front of your friends?

02:06:03.000 Yeah, that's...

02:06:04.000 You see something come out of the desk.

02:06:06.000 Yeah.

02:06:08.000 And it eats you with a beak. 0.63

02:06:09.000 Right.

02:06:10.000 Chomps you. 0.99

02:06:11.000 It's literally suction cups that rip you apart.

02:06:14.000 Oh.

02:06:14.000 It's crazy.

02:06:15.000 And it's totally possible that those things were huge.

02:06:17.000 We just don't have the fossil evidence because they're all made out of jelly.

02:06:20.000 Right.

02:06:20.000 You know, they're just like...

02:06:21.000 They don't fossilize.

02:06:22.000 Yeah.

02:06:22.000 All you get is like, if you...

02:06:24.000 Those fossilized images of the...

02:06:29.000 The cups is just because it left an imprint in some sort of soil or something at the bottom of the ocean.

02:06:35.000 So you like these kind of far out there ideas.

02:06:38.000 How do you like this idea?

02:06:39.000 There's a group of people that say that dragons were real.

02:06:44.000 And I'll explain.

02:06:45.000 Ooh.

02:06:46.000 So, around the same time period, so to speak, and I'm not one of these people, so I'm probably going to get the details wrong a little bit.

02:06:52.000 It's like a Matthew McConaughey movie right now.

02:06:53.000 Yeah, seriously.

02:06:54.000 So, around the same time period in China, South America, Africa, Rome, all these places, images depicted people fighting dragons, right?

02:07:04.000 And every dragon was slightly different, but it was all a giant, scaly animal that could fly.

02:07:10.000 So, when you break that down, you think about the fact that large birds had a hard time being fossilized because their bones are so porous, right?

02:07:18.000 So, because bones, they have like hollowish bones, they break down very easily and they don't fossilize.

02:07:23.000 So, the group that says this...

02:07:26.000 Basically, they're saying the evidence is the reason there's no fossils of dragons is because they had bird bones and they were actually very delicate animals.

02:07:33.000 But a handful of these small population of these giant flying lizards existed and basically encompassed all these different countries where they all depicted fighting dragons in their own way and they were all killed off by knights or whatever it is and then didn't fossilize.

02:07:53.000 What?

02:07:53.000 So it's like the science is saying that if there were lizards big enough to fly around and eat people, they didn't have bones that could fossilize.

02:08:00.000 So it'd be like an eagle.

02:08:01.000 Right.

02:08:02.000 And that's why all these human populations around the world have depictions of them, because they did actually exist.

02:08:10.000 Now, are there any stories of dragons, like, written, like, in the times of people that actually had the written word, or is it just depictions?

02:08:18.000 I don't know.

02:08:18.000 Not in my field.

02:08:19.000 That would be interesting, because, like, are these depictions, like, ancient accounts told by generation after generation, like, passed down?

02:08:27.000 I think so.

02:08:28.000 I don't know.

02:08:29.000 I don't know anything about dragons or whether it's real, but I think it's interesting to think...

02:08:33.000 Oh, well, the science supports that if there were flying lizards, their bones wouldn't have fossilized, and these have been stories that have been exaggerated and passed down from generation to generation.

02:08:43.000 And some of them breathe fire, but some of them don't, depending upon which culture it was significant to.

02:08:50.000 I wonder what the fire is supposed to represent.

02:08:52.000 Or are they just... 1.00

02:08:53.000 People are full of shit. 1.00

02:08:54.000 Probably that one. 1.00

02:08:55.000 Yeah, it probably made it sound even cooler.

02:08:56.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.98

02:08:57.000 Not only did I kill him, he was trying to burn me. 0.62

02:09:01.000 Do you think that... 0.98

02:09:02.000 Do you hold any weight?

02:09:03.000 Do you think that holds any weight?

02:09:04.000 No.

02:09:05.000 Like, there's actually dragons?

02:09:06.000 I mean, we know there were large flying lizards during the times of dinosaurs, right?

02:09:10.000 The only weight that it could possibly hold is that a few of those somehow survived much later than we previously thought.

02:09:16.000 But do I think that there were dragons attacking human beings and civilizations?

02:09:20.000 No, I don't.

02:09:21.000 But it's still interesting.

02:09:22.000 It's so much cooler if there were.

02:09:24.000 Right.

02:09:24.000 The fact that we know that pterodactyls did exist, that's cool.

02:09:28.000 It would be way cooler if they existed with people.

02:09:31.000 Right, 2,000 years ago.

02:09:32.000 Why is that?

02:09:33.000 Why is that so much cooler to us?

02:09:34.000 I don't know.

02:09:35.000 It's like, I would be, I would, I mean, people would dedicate giant chunks of their life trying to find out if pterodactyls did coexist with human beings at one point in time.

02:09:45.000 They really would.

02:09:46.000 Absolutely.

02:09:47.000 Many of you, there was a hundred foot pterodactyl snatching kids.

02:09:51.000 It would be terrifying.

02:09:53.000 Oh my god.

02:09:53.000 Well, do you know about the Moa Eagle?

02:09:56.000 Yeah, the host eagle?

02:09:58.000 The host, exactly.

02:09:59.000 I call it Moa eagle because they used to attack Moas with the host eagle.

02:10:01.000 They weren't that big.

02:10:02.000 No, but they did supposedly snatch Maori children.

02:10:05.000 Yeah, but when I googled it, I remember, I think the large ones were like 40 pounds or something like that.

02:10:13.000 I don't think they were that big.

02:10:14.000 Is that all it is?

02:10:15.000 Yeah, like an eagle is really light.

02:10:17.000 Right, but their wingspan is still enormous.

02:10:19.000 Yeah, I mean, they have incredible power.

02:10:21.000 Like, when you see an eagle snatch a salmon with its claws and fly away with this 10-pound salmon in its claws, I mean, that's insane.

02:10:29.000 It is.

02:10:29.000 Because that salmon probably weighs more than it.

02:10:31.000 Right, right.

02:10:32.000 Like, birds are weird, right?

02:10:33.000 They sit on you like, oh, you're not very heavy.

02:10:35.000 No, they don't weigh anything.

02:10:36.000 And again, that goes back to that whole hollow bone type thing.

02:10:39.000 Right, that's why chickens are strange, because they're fat.

02:10:42.000 They weigh a lot. 1.00

02:10:43.000 Like, you pick up a chicken, you're like, you fat fuck, you're trying to fly. 0.99

02:10:46.000 But bird, like a hawk, fairly light, for what it is. 0.99

02:10:51.000 Yeah, I think, what was the biggest host eagle?

02:10:53.000 How big was the host eagle?

02:10:55.000 But they were hunted by people, because they posed a threat.

02:10:59.000 And because people hunted the moa to extinction, that giant bird that the host eagle primarily preyed on, and so the two-fold kind of made them collapse.

02:11:10.000 Yeah.

02:11:10.000 Large, gigantic, ancient things.

02:11:13.000 Eight and a half.

02:11:14.000 Let's see.

02:11:17.000 Wingspan for a female is typically 8.5 feet, possibly up to 10 in a few cases.

02:11:22.000 Why female? 0.98

02:11:23.000 I'm trying to talk about dudes, bro.

02:11:24.000 That's just the first thing I see.

02:11:25.000 I want to know about the big dudes.

02:11:27.000 Males, 25 pounds.

02:11:28.000 Females, 31 pounds. 1.00

02:11:30.000 Oh, females are bigger. 1.00

02:11:31.000 Females are bigger. 1.00

02:11:32.000 Atriarchal society.

02:11:32.000 Largest female could have been 36 pounds in mass.

02:11:35.000 Yeah.

02:11:36.000 That's not that big.

02:11:37.000 But a 10-foot wingspan is pretty huge.

02:11:39.000 Oh, huge.

02:11:40.000 Yeah.

02:11:40.000 And, you know, talons, they've got, I don't know, but they had to have been enormous.

02:11:44.000 Yeah.

02:11:44.000 Flying knives.

02:11:46.000 Yeah.

02:11:46.000 Well, you've seen the videos that the Mongols use where they train golden eagles to kill wolves.

02:11:55.000 And they fly down.

02:11:56.000 And they shoot them out.

02:11:57.000 It's crazy.

02:11:58.000 It's unbelievable. 0.99

02:11:58.000 They fuck up wolves. 0.99

02:11:59.000 They're way smaller than a wolf. 1.00

02:12:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:12:01.000 And the wolf has zero chance.

02:12:02.000 Right. 1.00

02:12:03.000 They swoop down and grab a wolf by the back of the neck and just fuck them up. 1.00

02:12:07.000 Isn't it crazy? 1.00

02:12:08.000 The wolf's like, trying to get away, and they're just killing them.

02:12:10.000 And I believe, maybe it's not Mongolian culture, but one of those, you know, falconry cultures, you have to, like, as a teenage boy or something like that, your rite of passage is to go climb the cliff and take the chick out of the nest.

02:12:23.000 And it's like this crazy process where, you know, a number of kids die trying to get to the eagle chick, and the ones that come back, that's their bird for however long the bird lives.

02:12:33.000 I don't really know the whole process.

02:12:34.000 That's right out of Avatar.

02:12:36.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:12:36.000 Right?

02:12:37.000 Yeah.

02:12:37.000 That's bananas.

02:12:39.000 You gotta steal the chick from the next and raise it? 1.00

02:12:44.000 Who figured that out? 1.00

02:12:45.000 Who figured out you're going to train a fucking raptor? 1.00

02:12:48.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:12:49.000 Like, how weird are people that they figure these things out?

02:12:53.000 And someone was the first.

02:12:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:55.000 Someone was like, I'm going to go get that baby bird.

02:12:57.000 You know what he probably did?

02:12:58.000 He probably got high off that honey.

02:13:00.000 He said, I'm going to keep climbing. 0.99

02:13:01.000 I'm going to get me a fucking bird and have a bird do all the hunting. 0.99

02:13:04.000 That's right. 1.00

02:13:05.000 Everyone's like, you're crazy, man. 0.98

02:13:06.000 Bro, you can't have a bird do the hunting. 0.75

02:13:09.000 When I was in Venice this summer, there was a guy that had a hawk.

02:13:13.000 That he had trained that was sitting on his arm, that he would stand there to keep the pigeons from disturbing all the customers that were eating in this restaurant.

02:13:21.000 No way.

02:13:22.000 Yeah, because the pigeons in Venice were so aggressive that this place we were staying at called the Gritty Palace, which is this beautiful old hotel in Rome, or in Venice, rather.

02:13:33.000 And now, up until really recently, I think the water subsided, but it was under four feet of water in the lobby.

02:13:39.000 I saw the flooding, yeah. 0.99

02:13:41.000 Shit's changing. 0.99

02:13:42.000 Got to get out of there, folks. 0.99

02:13:43.000 Yep.

02:13:43.000 But this guy was standing there as we arrived with a hawk on his arm.

02:13:49.000 And I think it was an American hawk that he had trained in just to keep these pigeons on check. 0.99

02:13:54.000 Because the pigeons would see the hawk and be like, fuck this! 0.99

02:13:56.000 And they'd just get out of there. 0.99

02:13:57.000 Would he send them, or he was just standing there all day?

02:13:59.000 I don't know.

02:14:00.000 Maybe he did, which would have been dope.

02:14:02.000 Right.

02:14:02.000 I would have loved it to see a hawk jack a pigeon while I'm eating linguine with clams.

02:14:06.000 Right.

02:14:07.000 You're like, well, this is perfect, yeah.

02:14:09.000 Yeah, look at this hawk.

02:14:10.000 No, this is perfect.

02:14:11.000 Falcons.

02:14:11.000 Oh, these are Falcons.

02:14:12.000 These guys are...

02:14:13.000 Planes.

02:14:15.000 They take them on the planes.

02:14:16.000 Are these emotional support Falcons?

02:14:18.000 I think so.

02:14:19.000 That's hilarious.

02:14:20.000 It literally says, plane with emotional support Falcons.

02:14:22.000 Here's one with a lot of them on there.

02:14:24.000 What?

02:14:24.000 I don't know if they're transporting them or where they're going.

02:14:27.000 What the fuck out of here? 0.97

02:14:28.000 Imagine being on that flight. 0.99

02:14:29.000 You'd be like, listen, man, I'm going to wait for the next flight.

02:14:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:35.000 I'm not flying with a bunch of fucking birds that are wearing masks over their head. 1.00

02:14:40.000 They have execution hoods over their heads. 1.00

02:14:42.000 It does look like that.

02:14:43.000 So strange.

02:14:45.000 But humans are so weird in our ability to domesticate and capture animals.

02:14:50.000 But there is evidence that other animals do it too.

02:14:53.000 Have you ever seen the baboons that raise dogs? 1.00

02:14:55.000 I know what you're talking about.

02:14:57.000 Yeah, there's a couple different primates that have basically had pets.

02:15:00.000 They steal dogs and then bring the dogs and feed them and put them in the camp because the dogs will bark when things are coming so they can sleep.

02:15:09.000 So they can eat and sleep.

02:15:10.000 So the hyenas just hang out with these dogs.

02:15:12.000 So the dogs become like their buddies.

02:15:13.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:15:14.000 But they steal them and they literally know that if they get this dog and bring it over here and then feed it, the dog will be like their guard dog.

02:15:22.000 This is my pet.

02:15:23.000 Yeah, which is what we think happened with humans and wolves, which sort of fostered this relationship with people and dogs.

02:15:29.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:15:30.000 These hyenas have figured that out.

02:15:32.000 Isn't that nuts? 1.00

02:15:33.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:15:34.000 How are hyenas figuring that out? 1.00

02:15:37.000 Have you read any of Sapolsky's work on baboons?

02:15:42.000 I don't think so.

02:15:43.000 Robert Sapolsky is a fascinating guy.

02:15:46.000 He's out of Stanford.

02:15:48.000 I found out about Sapolsky initially because I became obsessed with toxoplasmosis.

02:15:54.000 That's that cat parasite that alters the behavior of rodents and makes them attracted to cat urine.

02:16:00.000 It actually makes the rodents erect their testicles and their scrotum enlarges and engorges with blood when they smell Cat urine. 0.80

02:16:13.000 They become sexually aroused by the smell of cat urine. 0.69

02:16:16.000 So this makes them get eaten by cats because the only place where this parasite can grow and breed and reproduce is inside the gut of a cat.

02:16:27.000 so it's crazy so it rewires the rodents sexual reward system and makes them lose all their fear of cats not just all their fear but they become sexually aroused by cat urine so they run around and actually chase cats like you see cats they're just like trying to get the away from these rats that have toxo that's insane right so then it gets in the cat and then it gets in the people And Sapolsky,

02:16:53.000 when he was studying, he found, I think he was doing his residency, one of the doctors he was working with was telling them when they get a motorcycle patient in, check them for toxo.

02:17:04.000 Because there's a giant percentage of the population on Earth is infected with toxoplasmosis.

02:17:10.000 And this toxoplasmosis gandhi apparently...

02:17:13.000 It changes human behavior, and it makes people more reckless.

02:17:17.000 And there's a direct correlation between motorcycle accidents and infection with toxoplasmosis.

02:17:24.000 And they think that what happens is, look at this rat. 0.73

02:17:26.000 This rat is sexually attracted to this cat.

02:17:29.000 So this rat is running on these cats. 0.98

02:17:32.000 Look at him.

02:17:33.000 He's running towards them.

02:17:34.000 That's nuts. 0.99

02:17:35.000 They don't know what the fuck to do. 1.00

02:17:36.000 Look, he's running on top of the cat. 0.99

02:17:38.000 Look at him.

02:17:38.000 Jeez Louise.

02:17:39.000 He's on his back, and the cat's like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

02:17:42.000 Like, look at this. 0.97

02:17:43.000 Look at him. 0.66

02:17:45.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

02:17:46.000 That's so strange. 0.99

02:17:47.000 Their whole brain is rewired because of this parasite. 0.57

02:17:51.000 So then the parasite gets in people.

02:17:53.000 It makes people more aggressive.

02:17:55.000 It makes them more impulsive.

02:17:59.000 And they think that that's related to the disproportionate number of motorcycle accidents that are connected to people that are toxoplasmosis positive.

02:18:08.000 So they have this infection and they just take risks.

02:18:10.000 And they wind up crashing.

02:18:12.000 That's crazy.

02:18:12.000 What a crazy correlation to put those together.

02:18:16.000 In some countries, the rate of infection is crazy.

02:18:19.000 Like in France, at one point in time, it was more than 50%.

02:18:21.000 Oh, wow.

02:18:22.000 More than 50% of the population was positive for toxoplasmosis.

02:18:25.000 And they think that, I don't know what the number is now, but they think that in the United States, more than 50 million people No way!

02:18:31.000 Yes, more than 50 million people test positive.

02:18:34.000 Is it cat owners? 1.00

02:18:35.000 Yes, cat owners or people who live in rural populations where there's feral cats and they step in the shit and then the shit gets in their skin or they eat something that has eaten this cat shit or the cat shit infects the cows. 0.99

02:18:52.000 There's all sorts of different methods of infection, but the thing about it is it's not fatal. 0.96

02:18:56.000 But it does have these marked behavioral changes in human hosts.

02:19:02.000 Massive changes in rodent hosts.

02:19:04.000 Nothing to the cat.

02:19:05.000 The cat seems to have no noticeable change in cat behavior.

02:19:10.000 But the gut of the cat is where they breed.

02:19:14.000 It's nuts.

02:19:15.000 They reproduce inside a cat's digestive system. 0.85

02:19:17.000 And the only way they get in there is by tricking a rat to try to go near a cat.

02:19:22.000 To hump a cat.

02:19:22.000 Yeah.

02:19:23.000 What?

02:19:24.000 What?

02:19:25.000 Yeah.

02:19:25.000 It's crazy.

02:19:26.000 So Sapolsky did a bunch of work with baboons and these ruthless, vicious baboon tribes. 1.00

02:19:32.000 And one of the things they found was that these certain baboons started eating human food because they started eating at dumpster sites. 0.96

02:19:42.000 And they got poisoned by, you know, poison food.

02:19:47.000 Like the food was bad or it was infected with a disease.

02:19:50.000 And the alphas were the first to eat, right?

02:19:53.000 So these alphas died. 0.67

02:19:55.000 And so the ruthless, vicious, bully hyenas, or not hyenas, I said hyenas, I meant baboons. 1.00

02:20:02.000 You said that earlier, too. 0.81

02:20:03.000 Did I say hyenas earlier?

02:20:04.000 You're good, I gotcha.

02:20:05.000 I blame the weed. 1.00

02:20:06.000 It's goddamn weed. 1.00

02:20:07.000 Baboons, sorry. 1.00

02:20:08.000 Baboon populations are the ones that had the dogs, right?

02:20:11.000 I said that, but I didn't say hyenas raised dogs.

02:20:12.000 You slipped one hyena in there, but I gotcha.

02:20:15.000 I was following you.

02:20:16.000 We're good to go.

02:20:33.000 They didn't know.

02:20:34.000 So they stopped being ruthless to each other.

02:20:35.000 They started grooming each other.

02:20:36.000 And it lasted like several generations.

02:20:39.000 So he would return to Africa to study these baboon populations. 1.00

02:20:43.000 And there was a complete shift in baboon culture. 0.88

02:20:47.000 Wow.

02:20:47.000 Yeah.

02:20:48.000 And he's got this really great speech on it where he goes into depth about how extraordinary it is.

02:20:56.000 We thought this was just how baboons existed and behaved, and they completely changed. 0.99

02:21:01.000 Right.

02:21:01.000 And it's attributed down to one individual.

02:21:04.000 Well, it's attributed to several that died off because they were eating this poison food.

02:21:10.000 And then the ones that remained were like the ones that used to getting bullied.

02:21:14.000 Sure.

02:21:14.000 Let's just be cool with each other.

02:21:15.000 Softer.

02:21:16.000 Yeah.

02:21:17.000 And they became a different kind of baboon population. 0.99

02:21:20.000 It's amazing.

02:21:20.000 Yeah.

02:21:20.000 But they got like really sick and fat from all the human food.

02:21:23.000 I bet.

02:21:23.000 It's really unhealthy.

02:21:25.000 Yeah.

02:21:25.000 There's a lot of that globally, you know, these populations of primates that depend on human food.

02:21:29.000 Have you ever seen the famous, like, obese monkey?

02:21:32.000 There's a famous obese macaque.

02:21:34.000 They put him in fat camp. 0.92

02:21:35.000 They put him in monkey fat camp. 0.88

02:21:36.000 No.

02:21:37.000 He's pretty funny.

02:21:38.000 What was he eating? 0.99

02:21:39.000 Human garbage, basically. 0.99

02:21:40.000 But he... 1.00

02:21:41.000 There he is.

02:21:42.000 Oh, that's real?

02:21:42.000 It's literally on my page, yeah.

02:21:43.000 I've seen that picture.

02:21:44.000 That's real?

02:21:45.000 That's real.

02:21:45.000 I forget his name.

02:21:46.000 Oh, my God. 0.96

02:21:47.000 He's so fat. 0.99

02:21:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:21:49.000 Oh yeah, and look at the one behind him super fat. 0.98

02:21:51.000 Like, they're just eating human trash and getting absolutely obese. 0.99

02:21:54.000 But it looks like someone's feeding them, because that human trash is cut up cooked corn. 0.98

02:21:58.000 That corn looks really...

02:21:59.000 They are, and I think they've restricted it wherever this was.

02:22:01.000 And it is sad, because it's basically a form of animal cruelty.

02:22:04.000 You know, you're just making them enormous.

02:22:06.000 But, uh, it's...

02:22:08.000 Right.

02:22:08.000 I mean, look at it.

02:22:09.000 It's insane. 1.00

02:22:10.000 Yeah, they're a fat fuck. 1.00

02:22:12.000 He's got a lot of corn there, though. 1.00

02:22:13.000 He's not aggressive towards anyone.

02:22:15.000 No, he's chilling.

02:22:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:17.000 Monkeys will fuck you up, right? 1.00

02:22:18.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:22:19.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:20.000 Primates are... 0.99

02:22:21.000 Baboons are terrible.

02:22:22.000 I mean, they can be super aggressive.

02:22:24.000 And old primates, I mean, they're sweet by nature, but if you're a threat to them, they can be terrible. 1.00

02:22:29.000 Yeah, but those little monkeys will steal shit from you, too. 1.00

02:22:32.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:22:32.000 Steal your phone. 1.00

02:22:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:33.000 Try to get it back.

02:22:34.000 They'll kick your ass. 1.00

02:22:35.000 My partner in production and I have this ongoing joke where we say we're going to make a show called Monkeys are Assholes, and it's just a show traveling the world where monkeys pickpocket and bully people and jump on trains and steal stuff. 1.00

02:22:49.000 Well, they exhibit some of the worst aspects of human behavior. 0.98

02:22:52.000 We see how monkeys behave.

02:22:56.000 Well, chimps, we love chimps, right?

02:22:59.000 Chimps are adorable when you see them in movies.

02:23:01.000 They're adorable in concept, but they're absolutely vicious and ruthless, including to each other. 0.51

02:23:07.000 They gang up, and they'll wage war, and they'll go capture a neighboring chimp and kill him. 0.99

02:23:13.000 Yep. 1.00

02:23:14.000 No, they're brutal.

02:23:15.000 I mean, they're like a step backwards from human beings.

02:23:19.000 You look at how they behave and you're like, oh, if we had no social order, no structure, no laws, nothing, this is kind of what we'd be like.

02:23:27.000 But what's amazing is that we coexist.

02:23:30.000 What's amazing is that we get to see, oh, this is probably our past.

02:23:34.000 Right.

02:23:35.000 You know?

02:23:35.000 Right.

02:23:36.000 Like, what was it like back when humans, like, you know, Australopithecus, we were like barely removed from monkeys.

02:23:43.000 Right, exactly.

02:23:44.000 And hanging around with them.

02:23:45.000 Like, how did we figure it out?

02:23:46.000 And they didn't.

02:23:47.000 Yeah, I mean, at some point it was like, oh, if we collaborate, we benefit more, right?

02:23:52.000 And they were like, if we fight, we benefit more.

02:23:54.000 And it's just kind of diverged from that.

02:23:56.000 Well, that's what's interesting to me is how some animals, their progress or their evolution remains stagnant like crocodiles.

02:24:02.000 They're essentially the same way they were tens of millions of years ago.

02:24:05.000 Whereas humans, it's this market change over the last half a million years, a spectacular change.

02:24:11.000 Or two million years ago, the doubling of the human brain size really quickly.

02:24:16.000 Special moments in evolution.

02:24:19.000 But then other things don't grow at all.

02:24:21.000 But then you have these lions that get trapped on this island.

02:24:23.000 They go, okay, we've got to get way bigger.

02:24:25.000 Right. 1.00

02:24:25.000 And we've got to fuck up these buffaloes. 1.00

02:24:27.000 It's the only thing we can eat. 1.00

02:24:27.000 You can't fuck up a buffalo if you're little. 1.00

02:24:29.000 And the bigger survived, and those are the ones that bred. 0.94

02:24:32.000 I mean, it's so interesting to see how this stuff sort of plays out.

02:24:38.000 And that we're studying it, and really over the last only few hundred years, we're really getting an understanding of it.

02:24:44.000 Even less than that.

02:24:45.000 I mean, we're really only starting to understand it on a big picture now.

02:24:48.000 Wow.

02:24:49.000 Yeah, it is amazing.

02:24:50.000 And everything in between, like you said, these crocodiles reaching their pinnacle of evolution tens of millions of years ago and us constantly evolving.

02:24:58.000 It's just, it's insane.

02:24:59.000 The world, the living world is so fascinating.

02:25:01.000 Have you ever seen the video of these people?

02:25:04.000 They're in a crocodile park and they're feeding these crocodiles and this lady's like chucking chickens, like chickens out. 0.98

02:25:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:10.000 And then the one crocodile bites the other crocodile's leg off.

02:25:13.000 And does the death roll and the leg comes straight off.

02:25:15.000 And the other one barely even moves.

02:25:16.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

02:25:16.000 His leg comes off and he's like, what the fuck, bro? 1.00

02:25:19.000 It doesn't even move. 0.99

02:25:21.000 It doesn't react in pain.

02:25:22.000 Nothing.

02:25:23.000 I know the exact video you're talking about.

02:25:24.000 It went totally viral.

02:25:26.000 He just rolls and the leg just pops right off.

02:25:29.000 Swallows his foot. 1.00

02:25:31.000 Swallows his buddy's foot like fucking A. It's nuts. 1.00

02:25:35.000 It's absolutely nuts.

02:25:37.000 That is a cleanup machine. 0.68

02:25:38.000 Yeah.

02:25:39.000 That's a 65 million year old cleanup machine.

02:25:42.000 Yep.

02:25:42.000 And they figured out, this is a great, it's like a hammer.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:46.000 You know how to make a hammer, right?

02:25:47.000 Right.

02:25:47.000 There's no new hammers.

02:25:48.000 Exactly right.

02:25:49.000 Hammer's like, this is it.

02:25:50.000 There's a stick, and then the end, there's a metal thing, and bang, bang, bang.

02:25:53.000 It's a hammer.

02:25:53.000 That's a hammer.

02:25:54.000 And it's a perfect tool.

02:25:55.000 Yeah, it's perfect.

02:25:56.000 I mean, there's different size hammers.

02:25:57.000 You've got a caiman.

02:25:58.000 You've got a Nile crocodile.

02:26:00.000 Exactly right.

02:26:01.000 That is a very good analogy.

02:26:02.000 I'm going to use that the next time that someone asks me to explain that because that's genius.

02:26:06.000 This is a hammer.

02:26:08.000 It's like they nailed it.

02:26:09.000 There's no reason to make another knife.

02:26:11.000 Knives are knives.

02:26:12.000 Right.

02:26:12.000 So the strap edge, handle at the bottom, got it.

02:26:15.000 Right.

02:26:15.000 It's exactly right.

02:26:16.000 Now, I love crocodilians.

02:26:18.000 I think they're just so interesting.

02:26:20.000 I don't know if I told you the story.

02:26:22.000 When we were in Myanmar, we were retracing the Ramry Massacre.

02:26:26.000 Are you familiar with the Ramry Massacre?

02:26:27.000 No.

02:26:28.000 You'll love this.

02:26:29.000 So during World War II, when the Japanese were holding Ramri Island in Burma, Myanmar, the Allies came in and started making the Japanese retreat.

02:26:39.000 In the course of like two days, a thousand Japanese soldiers were eaten by crocodiles, by saltwater crocodiles.

02:26:47.000 What?

02:26:47.000 Yeah.

02:26:47.000 So they were retreating in two days.

02:26:49.000 I mean, some reports say it was over a couple weeks, but the general consensus is a thousand soldiers were eaten by crocodiles in a very short amount of time.

02:26:57.000 And it was this kind of perfect storm of situations where, because there were all these soldiers, they were eating all the prey, all the crocodiles were particularly hungry because of that.

02:27:09.000 When the Allies pushed all the Japanese back into the swamps, you know, they started screaming, and one scream would trigger all the others, like all the crocodiles, to get into a frenzy, and it just wiped out this entire populace of people that ran through the swamp.

02:27:23.000 Yeah.

02:27:25.000 So we went and retraced these steps to figure it out.

02:27:28.000 We're like, why did this happen?

02:27:29.000 To try and understand it better.

02:27:31.000 And while we were there, this kid got attacked by a crocodile that was 100 years old.

02:27:36.000 So probably the same animal that had eaten people during World War I or one of them, right?

02:27:41.000 And we saved this kid's life.

02:27:43.000 Like we got to the village and he had just been pulled out from this croc attack.

02:27:47.000 His arm was broken in like 25 places.

02:27:49.000 He was torn up.

02:27:50.000 He had lacerations all over his leg, his ankle, his arm.

02:27:54.000 How'd you get him out of the crocodile's mouth?

02:27:56.000 We didn't.

02:27:56.000 So he fought off the crocodile, basically, and then the buddy he was with fishing pulled him into the boat and got him back to the village.

02:28:03.000 What a savage that kid is.

02:28:04.000 Totally. 1.00

02:28:04.000 He fought off a fucking crocodile? 1.00

02:28:05.000 And a big one. 1.00

02:28:06.000 How did he do it?

02:28:07.000 We don't know.

02:28:08.000 We were so focused on saving the kid because myself and one other guy had medical training, so we were stopping the bleeding and bandaging him up, and we had the only speedboat.

02:28:16.000 Because we had to get to this island, and this is very, very remote.

02:28:20.000 So we got this kid on the speedboat and got him back to a hospital, and he lived.

02:28:23.000 I think he lost the arm, but, you know, he was just going to bleed out and die right there in the village.

02:28:29.000 A hundred-year-old crocodile.

02:28:30.000 There probably was one of the crocodiles that ate the Japanese people.

02:28:34.000 During the massacre.

02:28:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:37.000 God damn. 0.99

02:28:39.000 My friend Jim Shockey was in Africa, and they had hired him to hunt crocodiles that were terrorizing this one village. 0.99

02:28:48.000 These people had fenced off this area where they could get water and clean, and crocodiles had figured out a way to get through that.

02:28:58.000 And everyone in the village had a bite mark here, a missing hand, a bite on their head.

02:29:04.000 So many people had lost loved ones and friends.

02:29:07.000 While he was there, a woman who was washing clothes got killed by a crocodile while he was in the village.

02:29:13.000 And these are Nile crocodiles.

02:29:15.000 These enormous, 20-foot-long-plus huge killing machines.

02:29:20.000 And these are, you know, I try and dispel anybody that says to me, oh, these animals were hunting people.

02:29:25.000 And I'm like, no, they were not.

02:29:27.000 Crocodiles are.

02:29:28.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:29:29.000 Crocodiles will hunt human beings.

02:29:31.000 They will lock in outside of a small village or an area that someone's collecting water.

02:29:35.000 They'll spend weeks watching, studying the pattern, learning the behavior, and just wait for the perfect time where they can sink under, sit right there waiting for someone to gather water.

02:29:45.000 In my opinion, they're not distinguishing that from another prey animal.

02:29:49.000 They just know this thing's coming to water here at this pattern, and they will absolutely target people.

02:29:55.000 100%.

02:29:55.000 They don't care if you're a person.

02:29:57.000 Exactly.

02:29:57.000 That's the weird thing about people.

02:29:58.000 We feel like we have some sort of a deal.

02:30:00.000 Right.

02:30:00.000 Well, they're not really after you.

02:30:02.000 Sharks aren't after people. 0.72

02:30:03.000 Right.

02:30:04.000 Like, what are you talking to sharks?

02:30:05.000 They're trying to eat, yeah.

02:30:06.000 Do you have a treaty with sharks?

02:30:08.000 Like, what are you talking about, man?

02:30:10.000 You know, like, people have this weird thing about animals, you know?

02:30:13.000 And, you know, when animals find out how easy we are to eat.

02:30:18.000 Yeah.

02:30:18.000 Then it becomes a real problem.

02:30:20.000 Yeah, I mean, Lions of Savo, right?

02:30:21.000 Those famous lions.

02:30:23.000 They were targeting people.

02:30:24.000 The Ghost in the Darkness.

02:30:25.000 That's a great movie.

02:30:26.000 Fantastic movie.

02:30:27.000 And they were targeting people.

02:30:29.000 They knew that people were easy prey, and they're like, cool, we're going to keep eating them.

02:30:32.000 Once they get a few meals...

02:30:34.000 And they're like, not bad. 0.99

02:30:35.000 And fucking real easy to catch. 0.99

02:30:36.000 That's right, yeah. 0.99

02:30:38.000 It's the opposite of fast food.

02:30:39.000 Yeah, we're like mussels growing on the beach.

02:30:41.000 Just pluck them. 0.91

02:30:42.000 Totally.

02:30:43.000 Yeah.

02:30:43.000 There's, you know, about the Sundarbans in India?

02:30:46.000 Yes.

02:30:47.000 That's a crazy place. 0.67

02:30:48.000 Crazy.

02:30:49.000 I did a bit about that in my act as well, back in 2009, my Comedy Central special, where over a period of 200 years, I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 people have been killed by tigers in the Sundarbans.

02:31:01.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:31:03.000 I mean, it's just like that number, it's unfathomable.

02:31:06.000 There was a story that I talked about in that set where there was a boat filled with five guys and one tiger swam out to the boat, killed a guy, dragged his body to the shore, jumped back in the water, swam out to the boat, killed another guy.

02:31:20.000 Did it with three different guys until he got tired of killing people.

02:31:25.000 That's insane.

02:31:25.000 Killed three people in a boat of five.

02:31:28.000 So these two guys lost three of their friends, just shit in their pants. 1.00

02:31:32.000 They swim. 1.00

02:31:33.000 Yeah.

02:31:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:34.000 Tigers are crazy.

02:31:35.000 And what's crazy about the Sunday barns, too, is there's saltwater crocodiles.

02:31:38.000 There's tigers.

02:31:39.000 There's bear.

02:31:40.000 I mean, there's elephants.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, there's Asiatic sun bear there. 0.60

02:31:42.000 It's just like, it's just got, it's this crazy little habitat.

02:31:46.000 And I know a couple photographers that have been in there, and they're like, you don't see anything.

02:31:49.000 It's like huge, tall tufts of grass.

02:31:51.000 You know, everything can hide perfectly.

02:31:53.000 And it's all there.

02:31:54.000 And you just don't see it coming. 1.00

02:31:55.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:31:58.000 And a bunch of people that are living in these huts and these villages. 1.00

02:32:01.000 They have no protection.

02:32:03.000 But you said something earlier today about how your friend projected the wolf howl into the...

02:32:08.000 Not my friend, that guy in that thing we watched.

02:32:10.000 Oh, sorry, that weird wolf guy.

02:32:12.000 The wolf guy.

02:32:13.000 Gotcha.

02:32:14.000 The wolf expert.

02:32:15.000 But what I... I love...

02:32:17.000 I find that those non-conflict mitigations are going to be the wave of the future, right?

02:32:23.000 Using technology to come up with biocontrols, like a wolf growl to other wolves, or an alarming sound, or a smell that animals don't want to interfere because of territories, I think that stuff's fascinating.

02:32:36.000 It is.

02:32:36.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:32:37.000 It really is interesting.

02:32:39.000 And I think one of the cool things about all this wildlife is that if we handle it correctly, we can make sure that these things are sustainable and they stay around and we can still just marvel at their presence.

02:32:55.000 Yeah.

02:32:55.000 And it is possible to keep wolves here.

02:32:58.000 Yeah.

02:32:59.000 It's possible to keep grizzly bears here.

02:33:00.000 It's possible to keep all these things here.

02:33:02.000 And we really, really, really, really should.

02:33:04.000 Because if you go back in time...

02:33:05.000 I mean, how amazing would it be if we could go back in time and see saber-toothed tigers?

02:33:11.000 It'd be incredible.

02:33:12.000 To be able to see some of these animals that you only see depictions of or you see skulls of, you know, that were caught in the La Brea tar pits or something like...

02:33:20.000 We have those things right now.

02:33:22.000 We have a lot of them.

02:33:23.000 And we can save them.

02:33:25.000 And we have the knowledge, the power, the technology, the tools, the finance.

02:33:29.000 We have all the pieces of the puzzle to make it work.

02:33:32.000 Well, I think that's one of the really cool things about what you do.

02:33:36.000 Yeah.

02:33:38.000 Yeah.

02:34:04.000 Man, imagine if we could have seen a grizzly bear.

02:34:07.000 We don't want that.

02:34:08.000 Well, we still have them here in California.

02:34:09.000 It's in our state flag.

02:34:11.000 It's in our flag, the golden grizzly.

02:34:12.000 Yeah, but there's not a single one left.

02:34:14.000 No, there's not. 1.00

02:34:15.000 They killed all those fuckers. 1.00

02:34:17.000 Possibly, I don't want to get down a weird rabbit hole here, possibly in Mexico. 1.00

02:34:22.000 The silver grizzly bear in the high Mexican Sierras.

02:34:25.000 What?

02:34:25.000 Ongoing reports of grizzlies.

02:34:27.000 So the same species that would have been here, right, that hung out in the Sierras, traveling all the way down into the Sierra Madres of Mexico, and then in these, what they call sky islands, if you're familiar with that term.

02:34:38.000 I'll explain in a second.

02:34:39.000 These islands of isolated habitat up in the sky where they get more rainfall and everything else.

02:34:45.000 There's big tracts of private land down there in Mexico where a couple of these farmers are like, something's killing my cattle and it's not a mountain lion.

02:34:53.000 And it could potentially be like half a dozen Mexican grizzly bears.

02:34:58.000 Couldn't it be jaguars though?

02:35:00.000 Could be, but they're saying it's not cats.

02:35:01.000 There's like reported sightings of seeing bears.

02:35:03.000 Really?

02:35:04.000 And if you look up the Mexican grizzly bear, you know, it was declared extinct 20 years before another one was killed.

02:35:10.000 So like, nah, they're gone.

02:35:11.000 They're declared extinct.

02:35:12.000 Then 20 years later, some guy shoots one.

02:35:14.000 Google Mexican grizzly bear.

02:35:16.000 I need to see this.

02:35:18.000 So what'd you say?

02:35:20.000 I'm trying to find some, like, this just shows pictures of grizzly bears and stuff, so I'm trying to find, like...

02:35:24.000 You can add the word silver in my...

02:35:26.000 Why silver?

02:35:27.000 I think it's just the fur color.

02:35:29.000 Oh, so they have, like, a silvery color to them?

02:35:31.000 Like, oh, wow.

02:35:32.000 It's a black and white photo here, so...

02:35:35.000 It's hard to tell.

02:35:37.000 What?

02:35:38.000 Those are real?

02:35:40.000 These are stuff in Chicago, but they're from Mexico.

02:35:43.000 Yeah.

02:35:43.000 So what year is this?

02:35:45.000 It's probably World Fair time.

02:35:47.000 I don't know.

02:35:47.000 Wow.

02:35:48.000 1899, this is.

02:35:49.000 But take a look at when the last one was killed, and then if you can find it, see where it says they were extinct, and it's many, many years later.

02:35:58.000 We took this one on a parade of some sort.

02:36:01.000 Whoa. 1.00

02:36:02.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

02:36:04.000 1960? 1.00

02:36:05.000 1960s, yeah.

02:36:07.000 Interesting.

02:36:08.000 So it might be possible that that thing is still alive somewhere.

02:36:11.000 There are reports floating in.

02:36:13.000 And I mean, the 60s, that's not long ago, right?

02:36:15.000 So, you know, there's reports that on these giant tracts of private land up in these mountains, there's potentially a very small population of Mexican grizzly bears.

02:36:25.000 Wow.

02:36:27.000 Which I think is fascinating.

02:36:29.000 And it's one of those things that I don't think it's like so crazy that I don't think anybody's gone and looked.

02:36:34.000 You know what I mean?

02:36:35.000 Like if some rancher who owns half a million acres in Mexico is like, yeah, I've got a bear killing my cows.

02:36:40.000 It's like, sure you do.

02:36:41.000 Right?

02:36:42.000 But maybe he does.

02:36:43.000 Like who's gone to investigate up in the high mountain peak areas of this million acre ranch?

02:36:48.000 Well, there's not supposed to be grizzly bears in Colorado, but my friend Adam Greentree, who's a very experienced outdoorsman, he was hunting in the San Juan Mountains, and he got a grizzly bear flying No way.

02:37:27.000 They're known about grizzly bears.

02:37:29.000 His sighting of...

02:37:31.000 This is when he's holding up a gun and a female kept bluff charging him. 1.00

02:37:35.000 See her standing there in the background? 0.95

02:37:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:37.000 She's not happy.

02:37:38.000 Not happy. 1.00

02:37:40.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:37:41.000 Wasn't his gun not right? 1.00

02:37:42.000 No, his gun, he had the wrong caliber bullet in his gun, so it didn't really load all the way into the pistol.

02:37:49.000 And he didn't know that until after this altercation.

02:37:52.000 So even if he had pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened.

02:37:55.000 Right.

02:37:56.000 No bueno.

02:37:57.000 But she bluff charged him.

02:37:58.000 She got within like 30 feet a couple of times. 0.94

02:38:01.000 Did I show you that lion that we were extracting DNA from in Zimbabwe?

02:38:05.000 Did I tell you about this?

02:38:06.000 I don't think so.

02:38:07.000 Dude, this was pretty nuts.

02:38:09.000 So in...

02:38:11.000 Late last year, I was tracking this giant lion that this friend of mine had told me that he'd seen in this Limpopo Valley of Zimbabwe, like just north of the South African border.

02:38:22.000 And we surmised that there was a potential that this animal, because it was so big, it had such unique behavior in the fact that it was hunting buffalo and even juvenile elephants, might have remnant cape lion DNA in it.

02:38:34.000 Because the cape lion is this extinct subspecies of African lion, it was bigger than your regular lion, and they would follow the elephant migrations north and then back south, but generally they hung out in South Africa.

02:38:44.000 Anyway, long story short, we wanted to test the DNA of this lion to see if it had any cape lion DNA in it, and it was this one individual animal.

02:38:51.000 So we tracked it for over a week, hung bait every night, did the collars, did everything that you do to get a lion in.

02:38:57.000 And then finally, this massive black-maned lion came in, and I darted it from about 30 feet away from a blind.

02:39:05.000 30 feet?

02:39:06.000 But wait, it gets worse.

02:39:08.000 I was in a blind, so I felt kind of safe, right?

02:39:10.000 But when I hit it, I had dosed for...

02:39:13.000 And it wasn't even me.

02:39:13.000 We had a vet with us.

02:39:14.000 He had dosed for a regular-sized African lion.

02:39:17.000 So the animal takes off running as I hit in the back of your quarters.

02:39:20.000 And we trot after it on foot looking for it.

02:39:23.000 And we get up to it.

02:39:24.000 And we're like, oh, he's down.

02:39:25.000 Okay, time to do our workup.

02:39:26.000 And I start walking up to it to check it, as you do when you've tracked an animal.

02:39:30.000 I get, Joe, from me to that television, the big one right there.

02:39:34.000 And it pops up.

02:39:35.000 And it's like, hello.

02:39:36.000 It's not all the way asleep.

02:39:38.000 And I just dropped to the ground and just go limp, right? 1.00

02:39:42.000 Because I'm like, crap, he's going to come and kill me. 0.93

02:39:44.000 And fortunately, he was drugged up enough, even though he wasn't asleep, to just kind of not know where I was. 0.99

02:39:49.000 And didn't really charge, but growled and came forward a step or two.

02:39:53.000 And then kind of turned off and laid back down again.

02:39:55.000 Then we got another tranq into him and he went to sleep.

02:39:58.000 But it was really scary.

02:40:00.000 How big was he?

02:40:01.000 I think there's a...

02:40:02.000 Do you want to show them the picture on my page?

02:40:04.000 Huge.

02:40:05.000 I mean, I don't know lion weights or points or, you know, any of the hunting stats, but...

02:40:09.000 But unusually large.

02:40:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:40:10.000 Biggest one I've ever seen, and I grew up there.

02:40:12.000 Huge.

02:40:13.000 Did you get the DNA, and did they run the tests?

02:40:16.000 We did, and there was a 14% discrepancy.

02:40:22.000 No, it's not...

02:40:23.000 This is the tortoise, actually.

02:40:24.000 It was a lion.

02:40:26.000 Oh.

02:40:27.000 What?

02:40:27.000 Right here?

02:40:27.000 Yeah.

02:40:28.000 Why is it running that?

02:40:29.000 No.

02:40:31.000 That's weird.

02:40:32.000 No, I think this is just an ad and I just, sorry, I just used the line.

02:40:35.000 I scrolled down a little ways.

02:40:38.000 Keep going down. 1.00

02:40:39.000 You got a fucking awesome Instagram page, man. 0.99

02:40:42.000 Thanks, man. 0.99

02:40:43.000 So cool.

02:40:44.000 You got so much cool imagery.

02:40:45.000 Yeah, it's a little further down.

02:40:48.000 I'm sorry.

02:40:48.000 I don't mean to make you go forever.

02:40:50.000 No worries.

02:40:50.000 But it was huge.

02:40:51.000 I mean, it was just...

02:40:53.000 You'll find it.

02:40:54.000 It's down a little ways.

02:40:55.000 So you said there was a 14% discrepancy?

02:40:57.000 Between it and regular South African lion DNA. So there's something off.

02:41:01.000 So there's something off.

02:41:02.000 So we couldn't quite figure out what it was.

02:41:04.000 We drew blood.

02:41:04.000 We took hair clippings.

02:41:06.000 And the latest is, you know, I'm not a geneticist, but the latest is that sample has been sent down to South Africa to run against cape lion DNA to try and figure out what the discrepancy is.

02:41:16.000 But yeah, there was a discrepancy.

02:41:18.000 So there is something unique and unusual about this.

02:41:21.000 Definitely.

02:41:21.000 Something unique and unusual.

02:41:23.000 Got it there?

02:41:24.000 No?

02:41:26.000 Let me see if I can find it.

02:41:28.000 How long ago do you think this image would be?

02:41:31.000 What do you mean?

02:41:32.000 A year ago?

02:41:34.000 Two years ago?

02:41:35.000 No, it shouldn't be that long ago.

02:41:36.000 It should be just a couple weeks ago because it only came on a couple weeks ago.

02:41:40.000 Let me see if I can find it quickly.

02:41:43.000 It's a big, big animal.

02:41:45.000 And I've got it on my phone.

02:41:45.000 Otherwise, I know this is boring for viewers.

02:41:47.000 No, don't worry about it.

02:41:48.000 But it's just this massive lion.

02:41:50.000 And to have him charge me on foot, it was pretty terrifying.

02:41:55.000 So you're talking about something that's twice the size of a normal lion?

02:41:58.000 I would say like one and a half.

02:41:59.000 25%?

02:41:59.000 Yeah, 25% to 50% larger.

02:42:02.000 Wow.

02:42:02.000 I mean, the paws were just...

02:42:04.000 It's just...

02:42:04.000 Yeah, I'll show you on my phone.

02:42:06.000 I can send it to you guys.

02:42:07.000 But it's just...

02:42:08.000 Huge.

02:42:09.000 Huge. 0.98

02:42:09.000 Big, black mane. 0.98

02:42:11.000 Unbelievable animal. 0.97

02:42:11.000 We'll get you to airdrop it to Jamie. 0.97

02:42:13.000 Sure.

02:42:13.000 If you got the image.

02:42:14.000 Yeah, I got it here.

02:42:16.000 Sorry, Jamie.

02:42:17.000 Maybe I didn't end up putting the actual images.

02:42:19.000 Yeah, that's the first line I see on your...

02:42:20.000 Yeah, sorry about that.

02:42:21.000 You might not put it on Instagram?

02:42:23.000 Is that even possible?

02:42:24.000 In this day and age? 0.99

02:42:25.000 Well, you have so much cool shit on Instagram, you probably forgot. 0.99

02:42:28.000 I do lose track. 1.00

02:42:30.000 Yeah, I mean, your Instagram is just all like crocodiles and monkeys and gorillas and shit. 1.00

02:42:36.000 So much wildlife. 0.99

02:42:38.000 It's lots of fun.

02:42:39.000 Here we go.

02:42:40.000 I got it here.

02:42:40.000 Where did you eat that food that you sent me?

02:42:43.000 You sent me a picture of some delicious elk that you were eating.

02:42:47.000 Dude, so the elk came from...

02:42:49.000 Remember we were talking about Hex?

02:42:51.000 The technology.

02:42:52.000 Those Hex guys are friends of mine that created that technology.

02:42:56.000 I've tested it in the field.

02:42:57.000 I'm wearing it in these lion photos.

02:43:00.000 Here you go, Jim.

02:43:01.000 I'll just give that to you.

02:43:02.000 You can just airdrop it or email it or whatever you like.

02:43:04.000 Explain to people.

02:43:05.000 Well, Hex, I actually use that when I hunt now too, particularly in lanai.

02:43:10.000 So it's a screen that keeps animals from recognizing your magnetic signal?

02:43:15.000 Right.

02:43:16.000 Exactly right.

02:43:17.000 You 100% think that's real?

02:43:19.000 I completely believe in it, especially for certain species, sharks, birds, things that are known to detect.

02:43:25.000 Particularly for water.

02:43:26.000 And the water, it's like almost 100%.

02:43:28.000 Yeah.

02:43:29.000 And you can measure it, right?

02:43:30.000 Like you can get a meter that measures the body's electrical impulse, put hex on it, run your arm over it, and the meter doesn't move.

02:43:37.000 But what is the mechanism?

02:43:38.000 Oh, my God.

02:43:41.000 Oh my god.

02:43:42.000 So that's when he's tranked?

02:43:43.000 Yeah, so that's it.

02:43:44.000 See the dart in his back?

02:43:46.000 Oh my god.

02:43:46.000 That's just a picture of a picture.

02:43:47.000 But that's the time he pops up when we go to check on him.

02:43:51.000 Oh my god, dude.

02:43:52.000 He's so big.

02:43:52.000 Huge.

02:43:53.000 Huge.

02:43:54.000 And there's some pictures you'll see in a second of him on the ground when we're doing the workup.

02:43:58.000 Is that him right there?

02:43:59.000 Yeah, we're putting a collar on him. 0.97

02:44:00.000 Jesus, he's jacked. 0.89

02:44:02.000 I mean, just a massive, massive animal.

02:44:05.000 Do you guys know how...

02:44:05.000 Look at the size of his sack.

02:44:07.000 Yeah, he's hung.

02:44:08.000 Jesus.

02:44:10.000 Do you guys know how old he is?

02:44:13.000 We didn't actually look into that.

02:44:14.000 I'm not sure.

02:44:16.000 I'd be fascinated by that.

02:44:18.000 Yeah.

02:44:19.000 This was crazy.

02:44:20.000 Keep us informed on what that discrepancy turns out to be.

02:44:23.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

02:44:24.000 You know, that work takes a long time and it travels around, but we've got the sample, which was the main objective.

02:44:30.000 There used to be a North American lion that was even larger than the African lion.

02:44:33.000 Significantly.

02:44:34.000 Yeah.

02:44:34.000 Yeah, significantly.

02:44:35.000 Crazy.

02:44:36.000 Yeah.

02:44:36.000 And that was not that long ago, right?

02:44:38.000 Like in the last 15,000 years ago or something like that?

02:44:40.000 Something like that.

02:44:41.000 It definitely coexisted with human beings. 1.00

02:44:43.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:44:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:45.000 We had lions.

02:44:46.000 Yep.

02:44:47.000 Huge ones.

02:44:47.000 Yeah.

02:44:48.000 And big planes game and everything else.

02:44:50.000 But, oh, shoot.

02:44:52.000 So, the stew.

02:44:54.000 Anyway, the Hex guys gave me some elk, you know, that they had got.

02:44:58.000 And Hex is that technology that blocks the bodies naturally occurring electrical energy.

02:45:02.000 And they had given me some elk.

02:45:04.000 And we were on that foraging trip where I brought those porcinis from for you.

02:45:07.000 Yeah.

02:45:07.000 And we picked porcini and chanterelles, and we had cauliflower mushroom, and we just made this amazing stew.

02:45:12.000 And I was like, Joe's the only person I know to appreciate this as much as I do.

02:45:16.000 You're headed back to Santa Barbara tonight?

02:45:18.000 Uh-huh.

02:45:18.000 I have some elk for you.

02:45:19.000 I'll take you up on it.

02:45:20.000 Dude.

02:45:20.000 Any day.

02:45:21.000 Thank you.

02:45:22.000 Well, listen, man, we just did three hours, if you can believe it or not.

02:45:24.000 Jeez, Louie.

02:45:25.000 Yeah, it's already 3.35.

02:45:26.000 I had no idea.

02:45:27.000 Time flies when you're having fun.

02:45:28.000 I would have guessed 30-ish minutes.

02:45:29.000 I know.

02:45:29.000 No, crazy.

02:45:30.000 I really appreciate you, man.

02:45:32.000 I appreciate all the stuff you're doing.

02:45:33.000 I appreciate your social media and tell people again about your show.

02:45:38.000 Yes, Extinct or Alive on Animal Planet, Wednesdays at 9pm.

02:45:41.000 We travel the world, searching for animals, wrongfully deemed extinct, and we're pretty damn successful.

02:45:46.000 That's amazing.

02:45:47.000 Thank you, bro.

02:45:48.000 Thank you.

02:45:48.000 Appreciate you, man.

02:45:49.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:45:49.000 Bye, everybody.

02:45:51.000 Man, that was...

02:45:52.000 I had no idea what you came through there.

02:45:54.000 That's what happens when you're talking about...

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 19, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1403 - Forrest Galante

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