The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #141 Duncan Trussell

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00:00:01.000 Hello.

00:00:10.000 Hello Duncan.

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00:00:30.000 So, this is what's going on, folks.

00:00:32.000 We're sitting here waiting for Graham Hancock to get here.

00:00:35.000 He was doing some sort of a seminar in Orange County.

00:00:39.000 And so that's like at least an hour away.

00:00:42.000 So Duncan and I, instead of just sitting here staring at each other, decided to stare at each other online.

00:00:50.000 So that's the basic motivation for this podcast.

00:00:54.000 Yep.

00:00:54.000 I ended up, uh, getting out here is crazy, man.

00:00:58.000 I ended up in some, my GPS took me in a bad direction this time.

00:01:03.000 You're out in the middle of nowhere, man.

00:01:05.000 I ended up in a place that was like the surface of the moon.

00:01:10.000 I don't know where the fuck it was.

00:01:14.000 Spooky.

00:01:14.000 It was spooky.

00:01:15.000 Like I could have gone off a cliff and no one would have found me for a week.

00:01:18.000 You'd be fine, dude.

00:01:19.000 Don't worry about it.

00:01:20.000 You're tweaking.

00:01:21.000 Stop your tweaking, son.

00:01:22.000 I'm tweaking, bro.

00:01:24.000 Are you scared of nature?

00:01:26.000 No, I'm not scared of nature, but I am scared at night when you're going around winding curves through meth country.

00:01:33.000 I'm not exactly comfortable with those curly sleeves out there.

00:01:38.000 Uh, there's a lot of people who live out there.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, but my window...

00:01:42.000 They like space.

00:01:42.000 They like to be away from each other.

00:01:43.000 I like space.

00:01:45.000 Why do people assume that, but it is a strange thing, why do people assume that when someone wants to be away, that they want some space between you and them, there's something creepy about them.

00:01:54.000 Oh, they're out there fucking cooking meth, and you automatically assume, why is that cabin by itself with that chimney blowing smoke?

00:02:02.000 What the fuck are they cooking in there?

00:02:03.000 You know, you don't look at it and go, look at that guy.

00:02:06.000 He's out there just doing it by himself, chopping wood.

00:02:09.000 No, you assume automatically that some creepy thing is going on out there if he's by himself.

00:02:14.000 When traditionally the creepy people are the ones who live underneath you in your apartment.

00:02:18.000 Those are the real creeps.

00:02:20.000 The ones who are masturbating to your footsteps.

00:02:25.000 Oh, yes.

00:02:27.000 There was a documentary, you know that VBS.tv?

00:02:31.000 Yes.

00:02:32.000 I wouldn't call it a documentary.

00:02:34.000 I guess I'd call it an episode where they went.

00:02:37.000 And they went and visited this guy who lives in like northern eastern Alaska.

00:02:42.000 He lives like way the fuck up there.

00:02:45.000 They have to drop him off supplies.

00:02:47.000 And he lives in this little tiny shack.

00:02:49.000 And he's like one of the few people that's allowed to live there.

00:02:52.000 And he's been there for like 20 years.

00:02:53.000 This dude never even saw 9-11.

00:02:57.000 He never saw the towers go down.

00:02:58.000 He'd like heard that something had happened.

00:03:01.000 He's so removed from everything.

00:03:03.000 He's got, like, a little generator.

00:03:05.000 Sometimes he powers up a TV, and he's got movies that they watch.

00:03:09.000 But, dude, this guy's living in the woods in a tiny one-room house with his wife, who looks like some sort of an Eskimo type of woman, and they're fucking happy as shit up there.

00:03:21.000 He says that hunting and gathering is, like, what keeps you happy, and that's what keeps him happy.

00:03:26.000 He's out there shooting caribou and following them.

00:03:28.000 I mean, this fucking dude loves it.

00:03:30.000 He loves living up there.

00:03:31.000 It sounds great.

00:03:32.000 He had to shoot a bear on one of the episodes, because the bear had came too close to his house, and the bears killed their dogs and shit.

00:03:39.000 So it's the middle of the night, they're running after this guy with a camera, and he's running through the woods with a fucking shotgun, and cha-ba-boom!

00:03:47.000 Cha-ba-boom!

00:03:47.000 He's just blowing holes into this fucking bear and chasing it down, while they're all chasing after him with cameras in the middle of the night in the woods in Alaska.

00:03:57.000 Dude, it's gnarly.

00:03:59.000 It's amazing footage, too.

00:04:03.000 It's such an interesting insight to someone who would choose to live that life, you know?

00:04:08.000 Which seems so horrifying to us, but to him, our life is just fucking mundane.

00:04:13.000 There's nothing to it, and he just can't get excited about it.

00:04:16.000 I don't think it's horrifying.

00:04:17.000 I think it sounds amazing.

00:04:19.000 I mean, there's something...

00:04:21.000 About being self-sufficient that seems like it would feel so incredibly good to be completely off the grid and know that if everything fell apart, your life would barely shift at all.

00:04:34.000 Yeah, that's interesting, right?

00:04:36.000 But is that like instincts to not join the system?

00:04:39.000 Is that what that is?

00:04:40.000 Is that some sort of a resistance of the hive that would feel good to not need all these people?

00:04:46.000 Isn't that ridiculous?

00:04:47.000 Because the reason why everything is so awesome, the reason why society in general is so awesome is because millions of people contributed to make this one colossal thing that relies on millions of people.

00:04:56.000 But because all these other people are involved, it's fucking awesome.

00:05:00.000 It's amazing.

00:05:01.000 It's got some terrible parts about it too, but the idea itself and what can be accomplished with it is fucking amazing.

00:05:08.000 So why do we want to not need that?

00:05:10.000 Do we want to keep the option open to be a cunt so you can just fucking fuck off?

00:05:16.000 I'm just going to go live off caribou in the middle of nowhere.

00:05:19.000 Well, that's like the argument, you know, like, people have that argument against monks.

00:05:24.000 Like, when someone goes and becomes a monk, it's the same argument.

00:05:27.000 It's like, what are you doing?

00:05:28.000 You're ignoring all of society to go and be a monk.

00:05:33.000 Isn't it better to be in the world than it is to go and isolate yourself?

00:05:36.000 How if you do go and isolate yourself?

00:05:39.000 So what?

00:05:40.000 Whatever you learn, it's not applicable to people in the world.

00:05:43.000 But some monks, I don't think they give a shit.

00:05:46.000 You know, some people, they just don't care.

00:05:47.000 They're not concerned with society.

00:05:50.000 It doesn't make any difference to them whether they're contributing or not.

00:05:55.000 Like, who cares?

00:05:56.000 Right.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, I hear you, man.

00:05:58.000 I know what you're saying.

00:05:58.000 I've had that thought in my head about monks, you know, like, what kind of a loser just wears a fucking orange robe and never beats off and just hides and chants all day.

00:06:08.000 Right.

00:06:08.000 Like, dude, you're missing out on them.

00:06:09.000 Muscle cars, blowjobs, great movies, weed, cookies.

00:06:14.000 You're missing out on killer restaurants.

00:06:17.000 You're missing out on shit-talking, jokes.

00:06:20.000 And the monks, you're missing out on astral projection.

00:06:23.000 You can't send your spirit to the higher dimensional planes to communicate with the supreme gods.

00:06:29.000 Your third eye is sealed, shut.

00:06:32.000 You have no idea about what it feels like to be completely in tune, vibrating with the harmony of the universe.

00:06:38.000 You're You're just humping.

00:06:41.000 You're just leg-humping down there in the city while I'm floating around through the eternal paradise outside of time and space in pure transcendent bliss.

00:06:53.000 Do you think there's a monk who could talk that good shit?

00:06:56.000 If there's a monk who could talk like that and say things like that, that guy should be doing tours.

00:07:01.000 You know, it would recruit monks like left and right.

00:07:04.000 It could change the world if a guy could speak that way about being a monk.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, well, I think theoretically what may happen is that as you evolve and begin to open your chakras up, and this is purely theoretical, but I think that you begin to extinguish the desire to tour You extinguish the desire to perform.

00:07:28.000 You don't want to do that anymore.

00:07:30.000 You're just kind of in another place altogether.

00:07:32.000 You've zoomed out.

00:07:33.000 It's like Google Maps.

00:07:34.000 You've zoomed so far out that you...

00:07:36.000 So you're saying that the more you would go down the road of meditation, the less you would want to do stand-up comedy?

00:07:42.000 Are you saying that?

00:07:43.000 Is that what you mean by tour?

00:07:45.000 Yeah, I mean like the exhibitionism.

00:07:50.000 You were saying somebody who talks like that should tour and talk to people.

00:07:54.000 I'm saying someone who talks like that.

00:07:57.000 And it's all a theoretical idea, but the assumption when someone becomes a renunciate, I think, is that they're not experiencing happiness.

00:08:09.000 Right, right.

00:08:10.000 When it may be that the thing that they're experiencing is a million times better than what they were experiencing in the world.

00:08:17.000 Well, I know for a fact that I have achieved at least bizarre states of consciousness just from yoga.

00:08:23.000 I remember one time I was in New York and I was real nervous.

00:08:27.000 I had to do...

00:08:28.000 The Howard Stern Show the next day.

00:08:30.000 It was the first time I ever did it and I was genuinely nervous and I couldn't sleep.

00:08:34.000 So I was in my hotel room reading off of this ancient yoga book and doing these poses and I did yoga for like an hour and a half.

00:08:42.000 And at the end of it, I felt fucking great.

00:08:46.000 I mean, I didn't just feel great.

00:08:48.000 I felt high.

00:08:49.000 I felt tingly.

00:08:51.000 My body was like, I felt tingles, like a glowing tingle.

00:08:56.000 I mean, I did this intense yoga routine for an hour and a half.

00:09:00.000 And when it was over, my body had just stretched everything out.

00:09:08.000 up all the whatever the fuck it is.

00:09:11.000 You want to call it chakras, you want to call it senses, you want to call it whatever, your ability to tune in to what's around you was all that was just cranked to 10.

00:09:21.000 I was like, wow, if this was a drug, this feeling like an intense yoga workout, it can feel very much like a real mild pot. - Yeah. - Like, ooh.

00:09:32.000 Nothing that's going to make you fucking drive shitty or forget your keys, but something that's going to make you just a little, whoa, I feel a little better.

00:09:41.000 I feel a little more relaxed.

00:09:43.000 I feel a little sensitive.

00:09:44.000 I feel good.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, well, I felt that too from yoga, and I felt that from chanting, and I felt that from any kind of ritualistic thing that has spiritual undertones to it, which I think yoga does.

00:09:58.000 You got deep into chanting, right?

00:10:00.000 Didn't you?

00:10:01.000 At one point in time, you can chant out that fucking crazy...

00:10:06.000 I got deep into it.

00:10:08.000 What is that thing that you busted out on the podcast?

00:10:10.000 That thing is, that's a Hare Krishna prayer.

00:10:12.000 That's a prayer that you read before, that you say before you're going to read the Bhagavad Gita, and it means...

00:10:19.000 Hare Krishna's read the Bhagavad Gita?

00:10:21.000 Oh yeah, it's their primary text.

00:10:23.000 That and the Srimad Bhagavatam.

00:10:25.000 Whoa.

00:10:25.000 But, yeah, you say that prayer, and they have a bunch of other texts, too.

00:10:30.000 I mean, they're really, that's how they spend most of their time, is studying the Vedas.

00:10:34.000 I know almost nothing about the Hare Krishnas.

00:10:37.000 All I know is that when I was a kid, people made fun of the Hare Krishnas.

00:10:41.000 It was like a stock joke.

00:10:43.000 Oh, sure.

00:10:44.000 Oh, and in movies, too.

00:10:45.000 An airplane and so many movies they get made fun of because they would go and hang out at the airports.

00:10:49.000 And there were these guys in saffron robes with shaved heads.

00:10:53.000 Right.

00:10:54.000 They would try to sell books, right?

00:10:56.000 Yeah, they try to sell books.

00:10:58.000 So there's a lot of reasons that they did get made fun of.

00:11:03.000 And it was like, for me, what happened to me was...

00:11:06.000 Well, there's also a bunch of legal cases, too, right?

00:11:08.000 Weren't there, like, real cult-like scenarios?

00:11:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:11.000 It's organized religion, man.

00:11:13.000 And it's hardcore organized religion that recommends...

00:11:17.000 You know, renouncing the world.

00:11:19.000 Like, it doesn't tiptoe around the fact, like, it's hardcore into the idea that the way to live, if you really want to be happy, is to let go of all the things of the world and start chanting the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra.

00:11:38.000 But it's very important to realize that that mantra is not owned by ISKCON, which is the Hare Krishna.

00:11:45.000 That's like the Catholic Church for this sect of Hinduism, which is known as Bhakti Yoga.

00:11:54.000 So there's a lot of different schools of thought in it, and it's a very deep philosophy that has its roots in the idea that There is that God, everything comes from God.

00:12:07.000 And so the word Krishna means, translates into the reservoir of all pleasure.

00:12:12.000 So it's, the idea is like all pleasure, all opulence, all happiness, everything springs from some source, like the Big Bang except the spiritual Big Bang.

00:12:23.000 And this is a, they believe that this is an intelligent force in the universe that has specific qualities.

00:12:30.000 And so People are kind of born with this case of amnesia where they've forgotten that this even exists, and so they begin to become attracted to these qualities and different things.

00:12:42.000 So people are attracted to beauty, people are attracted to intelligence, people are attracted to wealth, people are attracted to strength.

00:12:50.000 But they say that these are just the sort of what people are seeing as the qualities of the supreme being reflected through the material universe, and that's what people are attracted to.

00:13:01.000 And so by this specific process of bhakti yoga, you begin to turn your senses back towards the original source of all this stuff through this very, very strict...

00:13:13.000 Discipline of chanting, not eating meat.

00:13:18.000 The monks that wear the robes, it's called the four regulative principles.

00:13:23.000 You don't eat meat.

00:13:24.000 You don't use any intoxicants.

00:13:27.000 No sex.

00:13:29.000 And no gambling.

00:13:30.000 You wake up at 4 every morning, 4.30 every morning.

00:13:34.000 You chant, I think, 16 rounds of this mantra, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, and you study and you live in a temple, and that's how you spend your life.

00:13:48.000 And you're studying the Bhagavad Gita.

00:13:50.000 You're studying the Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam and all these other religious texts.

00:13:57.000 And you get deep, deep, deep into it to the point where you complete...

00:14:02.000 I mean, they recommend...

00:14:05.000 As I recall, even your family is just your karma, your attachment to your family, it's just your karma.

00:14:16.000 It's like, let go of all those attachments, surrender to this...

00:14:21.000 Higher force, and then you'll experience transcendent happiness.

00:14:24.000 And the ultimate goal in life is to try to connect with God.

00:14:27.000 That's the only reason to be alive.

00:14:29.000 And if you're not engaged in that activity, then you're miserable.

00:14:34.000 Then you're not really experiencing the type of happiness.

00:14:38.000 And even if you think you're experiencing happiness, it's nothing compared to what you can obtain from living a spiritual life and chanting this mantra.

00:14:48.000 And what happened to me...

00:14:49.000 But you're not saying this is your opinion.

00:14:51.000 You're saying this is what they...

00:14:52.000 No, it's a summary of it.

00:14:54.000 It's not my opinion.

00:14:55.000 But what happened to me...

00:14:57.000 You're saying it almost like in the first person.

00:15:00.000 Oh yeah, I'm just explaining it.

00:15:02.000 You don't really believe that though, right?

00:15:04.000 No, I mean, I'm a comedian.

00:15:06.000 I was just smoking in front of House of Blues drunk.

00:15:10.000 I'm not like...

00:15:11.000 Right, but have you ever considered that maybe that would be a path, that you would get so interested in it?

00:15:18.000 Because you are interested in all those principles.

00:15:21.000 You are interested in higher consciousness and truth.

00:15:24.000 Have you ever thought about doing something like joining a monster?

00:15:26.000 Well, what happened was, when I got into the Hare Krishnas, what happened to me was...

00:15:33.000 Because, you know, if you have an experience, you've had an experience.

00:15:36.000 There's no way around it.

00:15:37.000 If you have an experience, you have to accept that the experience happened, and you have to tell the truth about the experience one way or the other.

00:15:44.000 So, for me to not talk about that part of my life or to pretend that I wasn't...

00:15:50.000 I had a conversion experience where I was in this temple on Jamastami, which is what they call the appearance date of Krishna.

00:16:00.000 It's like Christmas, basically.

00:16:02.000 And...

00:16:06.000 What had just happened before that is someone had gotten me really high, like really stoned.

00:16:13.000 So I was sitting in the temple, and they're like ringing bells, and they have these deities that they worship, and they're pouring this, I believe they pour milk on the deities, and it's like all your senses are being overwhelmed.

00:16:30.000 They're burning incense, they've got everything, It has flowers everywhere.

00:16:34.000 So the whole place is garlands of flowers.

00:16:36.000 So it's just the smell of flowers and incense and monks, you know, like the guys with the shaved heads and the necklaces that they wear and like bells ringing.

00:16:46.000 So your senses are completely overcome.

00:16:49.000 And I've never had this experience before or since, but...

00:16:54.000 I was looking at these symbols, and all of a sudden the symbols, it felt like I was seeing past the symbols into something deeper than what those symbols were.

00:17:03.000 The symbols were just a human's attempt to try to embody this greater thing that exists in the universe.

00:17:11.000 And all of a sudden I felt, the only way I can explain it is it felt like I was, sounds so crazy, felt like I was on a spaceship.

00:17:19.000 I thought, oh, this is what an advanced intelligence is like.

00:17:25.000 I was looking at something that was a billion times smarter than I was, and that it was being somehow tuned into in this ritual that if you were outside the ritual, it would just look like a lot of pomp and maybe some brainwashed people going through the motions of something.

00:17:43.000 But inside of it, it felt like this incredible blast of super intelligence.

00:17:50.000 And that happened to me, and I It changed me.

00:17:54.000 For the rest of my life, I'll be changed because of that.

00:17:56.000 I'll never be the same after that.

00:17:57.000 What do you think it was?

00:17:59.000 Do you think it was a combination of anxiety because all these people are there?

00:18:05.000 You said you were high?

00:18:07.000 Yes.

00:18:08.000 What were you high on?

00:18:09.000 Marijuana.

00:18:09.000 Did you eat it or smoke it?

00:18:11.000 Smoked it.

00:18:13.000 What do you think it was?

00:18:15.000 What do you attribute?

00:18:17.000 That's a pretty crazy experience you're talking about.

00:18:19.000 Well, I mean, I think that...

00:18:22.000 You think it was the chant?

00:18:23.000 Yeah, it's the chant.

00:18:25.000 I mean, if you chant...

00:18:26.000 the thing about harry krishna is you don't have to be a um harry krishna to chant harry krishna and that's that's the thing that they always said it's the the thing that uh uh prabhapad the founder of the harry krishna said is just chant it you have nothing to lose chant it what the fuck does it do you you're saying this specific sync synchronized series of sounds yeah this chant has an effect that actually puts you in a psychedelic state oh yeah absolutely that's That's why all the hippies loved it, man.

00:18:55.000 Whoa!

00:18:55.000 Yeah, totally.

00:18:57.000 Think of yoga.

00:18:58.000 Yoga is specific movements that you do, that if you do these movements, you go into, like what you said, this mild psychedelic state.

00:19:07.000 Well, that's just one form of, you know, that's hatha yoga or whatever particular type of yoga you were doing.

00:19:12.000 But in the same way, these mantras that they have induce a very specific...

00:19:20.000 Experience that if you do it enough, the only way to explain it is your mood will lighten.

00:19:30.000 You know that heaviness, man?

00:19:33.000 There's a heaviness that...

00:19:36.000 People get that I get.

00:19:37.000 And if I'm deeply in this state, it's what I consider the road rage state.

00:19:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:41.000 Where I'm likely to scream at a car cutting me off or something.

00:19:45.000 If you chant Hare Krishna or any of the others, a lot of other mantras out there, and you do it regularly just for a week, then you will experience a change in your consciousness.

00:19:57.000 How is that?

00:19:58.000 How are you attributing that?

00:19:59.000 What could possibly be, from a scientific standpoint, Let's look at the scientific.

00:20:05.000 Let's look at what a scientist might say.

00:20:06.000 I think a scientist would say, well, it's a placebo effect.

00:20:09.000 You could decide to chant any mantra.

00:20:11.000 You could make anything up.

00:20:13.000 You could chant rum-dee-doe-dee-doe-dee-doe if you wanted to and do that enough times if you believe the intention creates the change.

00:20:21.000 That would be the scientific explanation of it.

00:20:26.000 The religious explanation of it is that what you're doing is create, you're tuning yourself in to a specific, you're tuning your neurology in.

00:20:34.000 When you're chanting, you're addressing the language center of your brain.

00:20:39.000 You're focusing in on the specific pattern.

00:20:42.000 And you do it a certain way.

00:20:47.000 Do it how you do it.

00:20:50.000 This is how I chant.

00:20:53.000 If I'm alone by myself and chanting, I chant fast.

00:20:55.000 So it's like...

00:20:56.000 Well, Ram Dass talked about this and said that it's like kind of the way you chant is just an indication of where you are in life.

00:21:10.000 If I'm more relaxed, the chanting will slow down, but because of just the way I am, I end up chanting fast.

00:21:17.000 And I'll try to slow myself down, but it just ends up going fast again.

00:21:21.000 I just was watching a video of Prabhupada chanting, and he chants relatively fast.

00:21:26.000 So it creates this sound.

00:21:28.000 It creates this weird, trippy sound.

00:21:31.000 in your if you do it do like you're for real intentions how do you get sunny guess and I guess and I guess and I got it on my mom and I get it I guess and I guess and I get it on my mom and I get it because I guess and I guess and I get Sonny Eddie I did on when it on Romanoi it it is nine years and I guess and I get it on when it I'm wrong when I get it and I guess and I guess and I guess and I get it I did on when it I'm wrong when I get it it is 90 is that's easily the weirdest human Bust that out like that.

00:21:58.000 That's awesome.

00:21:59.000 That's the chant.

00:21:59.000 But what's cool about it is if you listen to the chant, it has the OM in it.

00:22:02.000 but he gets an ignition is negative it's not a good at all wrong wrong and some people will just chant the home or some people will just chant wrong that's another chant wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong all of these are no matter what you think and I know I people are going to think I'm a you know a new age freak or whatever but I'm not I'm just telling the truth.

00:22:25.000 It's helped me immensely in my life.

00:22:27.000 I don't think anyone should do anything more than what they're comfortable with, but if you're having a bad trip...

00:22:33.000 If you're freaking out in your life, but especially if you're having a shitty trip, and you start chanting Hare Krishna, you will feel better.

00:22:43.000 Every time, man.

00:22:44.000 If you can remember how it goes, if you're really blitzkrieged out of your mind, talking to the Lucky Charms guy at the top of the world, you're not going to remember it.

00:22:56.000 When I get super baked and get in the tank, I om.

00:23:00.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 Because when you're in the tank, you know, first of all, mine is very tall.

00:23:05.000 It's like seven feet tall.

00:23:06.000 And there's a sound when your ears are underwater that's really bizarre, man.

00:23:10.000 when you make a body noise like a And that'll be my all my breaths and Every breath is just that hum.

00:23:24.000 And it's echoing.

00:23:26.000 So as I'm taking in my inhale, I'm still hearing the exhale echo.

00:23:30.000 And then hum.

00:23:31.000 And I get deep.

00:23:34.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 I go deep into crazy train town.

00:23:37.000 Crazy train town.

00:23:38.000 In the woods.

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 The woods of the universe.

00:23:41.000 Well, that sound is considered the original sound vibration of the universe.

00:23:45.000 That's the sound that all things emerge from.

00:23:48.000 That's like the basic primordial sound.

00:23:53.000 Why?

00:23:53.000 I mean, if it was a Big Bang, do you think it went om, or do you think it went ba-fucking-boom?

00:24:00.000 Ba-boom!

00:24:01.000 By the way, what a shitty theory that is.

00:24:04.000 The Big Bang is the shittiest theory ever, and I'm not a scientist, and clearly I'm retarded, and I know that there's some evidence, supposedly, that some big explosion happened 14 billion years, but they have no idea why everything was smaller than the head of a pin.

00:24:21.000 What are you talking about?

00:24:22.000 So wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:24:24.000 Everything was smaller than the head of the pin.

00:24:25.000 Why was it smaller than the head?

00:24:26.000 We don't know.

00:24:27.000 We don't know.

00:24:27.000 But we do believe that there was an infinite point where the whole universe was smaller than the head of a pin.

00:24:32.000 They don't even know why.

00:24:33.000 It's the weirdest fucking conversation ever.

00:24:37.000 Someone said it best.

00:24:38.000 It might have been McKenna.

00:24:40.000 I think Terrence McKenna said it's as if they're asking you just believe in magic only once.

00:24:47.000 Right.

00:24:50.000 Believe in magic only once.

00:24:54.000 They've recently figured out a way to get subatomic particles to move faster in light.

00:24:59.000 So that's what they believe they've accomplished now.

00:25:01.000 It was just really a week ago that scientists were saying time travel is impossible because the speed of light cannot be surpassed.

00:25:09.000 And then, like a couple weeks later, these guys say they've got subatomic particles to move faster in light.

00:25:14.000 Time travel is open again.

00:25:15.000 So that's the implication.

00:25:16.000 Yeah.

00:25:17.000 Time travel is the big implication because once they figure out how to actually...

00:25:20.000 It would require an immense amount of power.

00:25:22.000 But just think about what powers your cell phone today and what it was like to have those Apollo 11 computers when they filled entire rooms and they weren't nearly as powerful as your cell phone.

00:25:34.000 Right.

00:25:34.000 And your cell phone is not even plugged in anything.

00:25:37.000 It's in your fucking pocket.

00:25:38.000 Can you explain what that is?

00:25:41.000 Maybe you can, because I don't understand it.

00:25:43.000 They blasted some neutrinos or something, and the neutrinos were, they reached where they were supposed to reach a few milliseconds before they should have reached it or something?

00:25:53.000 That's a huge question, so let's look it up on Google, because I'm not the person to answer this.

00:25:58.000 And also, I don't think they've totally confirmed it yet.

00:26:00.000 I think a lot of people are still saying that there's a high likelihood for some kind of error in the experiment.

00:26:05.000 Of course.

00:26:06.000 Well, everybody's going to say that anyway when something's that crazy.

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 You know, when someone says, ah, I figured out time travel.

00:26:12.000 Bitch!

00:26:13.000 Let me see your papers.

00:26:14.000 You didn't figure out time travel.

00:26:15.000 Let me see your paper, bitch.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, I was thinking about time travel.

00:26:18.000 If there really was a time traveler, then they could follow somebody by walking in front of them.

00:26:24.000 Wow.

00:26:26.000 That's, uh, yeah.

00:26:27.000 Because you would know where they were going already, so you could walk in front of them on whatever...

00:26:31.000 You would have to have like a really fucking detailed list of all the shit that's already gone down.

00:26:35.000 You'd have to see it.

00:26:36.000 You'd have to send a time probe back first to like watch the...

00:26:39.000 And watch the whole world?

00:26:41.000 Observe whoever you wanted to study.

00:26:42.000 You'd run out of time.

00:26:42.000 You'd die.

00:26:43.000 You'd die of old age.

00:26:44.000 No, if you wanted...

00:26:45.000 You could like...

00:26:49.000 You know, if you wanted to observe like Thomas Jefferson or something...

00:26:52.000 Right.

00:26:53.000 Which would be incredible.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, right.

00:26:55.000 To get real video of the founding fathers.

00:26:57.000 Who would you go to?

00:26:59.000 If you had just an open ticket back in time.

00:27:03.000 Clearly the first person I visit is Jesus.

00:27:06.000 No.

00:27:07.000 Hold on.

00:27:08.000 Jesus or Buddha.

00:27:09.000 Jesus or Buddha.

00:27:10.000 That's a tough choice.

00:27:11.000 I think I'd...

00:27:12.000 No.

00:27:14.000 The first human.

00:27:15.000 I want to visit the first human, I guess.

00:27:17.000 The first human?

00:27:18.000 You'd want to see cavemen on the field?

00:27:20.000 Yeah, I think that...

00:27:21.000 I mean, if I had a bunch of chances, that's the first thing I'd like to see.

00:27:24.000 Then I'd move up to Buddha.

00:27:27.000 And then, um...

00:27:28.000 I don't know.

00:27:30.000 Alright, here's what it is.

00:27:31.000 The research clearly shows that when a total of 15,000 beams of neutrinos were fired, the tiny particles traveled the 730 kilometer, 2.43 millisecond trip, roughly 60 nanoseconds faster than light.

00:27:47.000 Wow.

00:27:49.000 That's faster than light.

00:27:50.000 That's just, that's period.

00:27:52.000 That's not, they think.

00:27:55.000 So that's it?

00:27:56.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:27:57.000 By saying that, this is CERN that's putting this out.

00:28:00.000 So that's it.

00:28:01.000 If you don't know who CERN is, folks, C-E-R-N, look it up.

00:28:04.000 It's the people that are responsible for the Large Hadron Collider, which is the craziest scientific experiment ever that's going on right now.

00:28:11.000 I believe it's in Switzerland, right?

00:28:13.000 Yep.

00:28:13.000 Underground.

00:28:15.000 Fucking incredible, gigantic particle collider that is supposed to uncover this thing called the Higgs-Boson particle, which they call, or excuse me, Boson.

00:28:24.000 People have corrected me on Twitter.

00:28:25.000 My apologies.

00:28:26.000 Boson.

00:28:27.000 The God particle.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, but now they're saying that it's 95% sure that it doesn't exist.

00:28:32.000 Yeah.

00:28:33.000 Fuck!

00:28:33.000 Too bad.

00:28:34.000 You know, you imagine that?

00:28:35.000 They built this gigantic fucking billion dollars, obviously finding out a bunch of other shit.

00:28:39.000 Well, yeah, I'll take Time Traveler or some stupid particle.

00:28:43.000 Well, who knows what that particle means.

00:28:44.000 They did create that cork-gluon plasma shit that's, I believe it's one sugar cube is like 400 billion pounds or something fucking crazy.

00:28:54.000 That's what it weighs.

00:28:55.000 And they created some incredibly negligible amount, you know, some tiny small amount.

00:29:00.000 Thank goodness.

00:29:00.000 Yeah.

00:29:01.000 Don't want a lot of that shit laying around.

00:29:04.000 Could you imagine if they made a marble-sized chunk of it and just dropped through the earth?

00:29:10.000 Just shot right into the fucking core?

00:29:13.000 Like water.

00:29:14.000 The earth would just be like a big droplet of water.

00:29:17.000 I wonder how much weight it would take for that to happen.

00:29:21.000 For sure, if you had a bowling ball full of this Gluon plasma shit, that shit would just go right through the earth.

00:29:30.000 A bowling ball would have to be some insane amount of weight.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, it would be...

00:29:34.000 Yeah, I don't know what the way it would be.

00:29:36.000 Someone should...

00:29:37.000 I don't know.

00:29:38.000 Try wrapping your head around something that's that dense.

00:29:40.000 Think about, like, a fat person.

00:29:42.000 You look at, like...

00:29:43.000 Think about Fat James from the comedy store.

00:29:46.000 You know Fat James?

00:29:47.000 Love Fat James.

00:29:48.000 Great guy.

00:29:48.000 Calls himself Fat James, folks.

00:29:50.000 It's his nickname.

00:29:52.000 It's Fat James who calls you out.

00:29:53.000 Hey, it's Fat James.

00:29:55.000 You think about him as a human.

00:29:56.000 He's not a tall fellow, but he's fairly heavy.

00:29:59.000 And you look at him and go, wow, that's a lot of weight right there.

00:30:02.000 Now think about if he was a quark gluon plasma.

00:30:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:30:08.000 Can you even wrap your head around that?

00:30:10.000 If a sugar cube is 40 billion or 400 billion fucking pounds, whatever the hell it is, whatever insane...

00:30:17.000 When you say 40 billion or 400 billion, I know that there's a big difference in those two numbers, but to me, none of them even register.

00:30:23.000 I'm just making noises with my mic.

00:30:25.000 I don't know what 40 billion means or 400 billion means.

00:30:27.000 That to me is like, it's too abstract.

00:30:29.000 It's too big.

00:30:30.000 I'm not assimilating that, you know?

00:30:32.000 But to think of a Fat James made out of this stuff, you can't even, like, how is that even possible that there could be two types of matter that are both so far different from each other that they could be the same size and one of them would be literally the weight of the fucking earth?

00:30:49.000 Probably not that much.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, it's insane to think about that.

00:30:52.000 And it's insane to think that these people are down there tinkering around under Switzerland trying to make this shit.

00:30:57.000 That's what's just creepy.

00:30:59.000 Well, they make only little tiny amounts of it.

00:31:01.000 They've got a great sense of humor about it.

00:31:03.000 They dress up like the Half-Life dudes and they've taken pictures of them pretending to be the characters in Half-Life.

00:31:09.000 Because if you don't know, the video game Half-Life was all about scientists cracking a hole in the universe and aliens come over and fuck everybody up.

00:31:17.000 Awesome game.

00:31:18.000 What an awesome game that is.

00:31:19.000 But dude, I like to think about, one thing I like to think about is the Large Hadron Collider accident.

00:31:25.000 Like, what it would look like.

00:31:27.000 And like, the way I see it, it goes like this.

00:31:29.000 You're on the internet, you look on wherever you go, CNN, and it says, fire, Large Hadron Collider.

00:31:36.000 That's the first thing you see.

00:31:37.000 And you're like, oh, that sucks.

00:31:39.000 There was an explosion underground.

00:31:41.000 Then five minutes later, it's like, this fire is spreading like no fire we've ever seen before.

00:31:46.000 The fire is all of a sudden just racing through Switzerland.

00:31:50.000 No one understands why it's spreading that fast.

00:31:52.000 And you're like, what the fuck?

00:31:53.000 And then the next thing you think is, what's that?

00:31:56.000 You're just gone.

00:31:57.000 Because this fucking energy beam is shot around the planet in like a millisecond and just wiped everything out.

00:32:04.000 That's how I know I've eaten too much pot.

00:32:07.000 Because inevitably my mind will start going to the large...

00:32:09.000 I'll start getting nervous about the Large Hadron Collider.

00:32:12.000 Have you eaten too much pot today?

00:32:13.000 No.

00:32:14.000 You're okay?

00:32:14.000 Totally fine.

00:32:15.000 You're totally fine?

00:32:16.000 How much of that cookie did you take?

00:32:17.000 Just a crumb.

00:32:18.000 I didn't even open...

00:32:19.000 Oh yeah, I took a crumb.

00:32:20.000 Good move.

00:32:21.000 Yeah, I've fucked up so many times.

00:32:25.000 You know, I'm 100% for marijuana legalization, but I think you should at least have to read a book or watch a documentary before you eat one of those cookies.

00:32:33.000 Yes.

00:32:34.000 You don't know what the fuck you're getting into.

00:32:35.000 Well, I could eat a cookie.

00:32:36.000 It's just a cookie.

00:32:37.000 It's no big deal, man.

00:32:39.000 I'm going to eat the whole cookie.

00:32:40.000 Those cookies are crippling sometimes.

00:32:43.000 Sometimes, because you don't know how many.

00:32:45.000 There's no standard dose.

00:32:46.000 Like, when you get a cookie and it says 2X, what the fuck does that mean?

00:32:50.000 Two doses?

00:32:51.000 Two doses for who?

00:32:52.000 Two X's?

00:32:53.000 Three X's?

00:32:53.000 I don't know what this fucking...

00:32:54.000 You're using a porn system for this shit?

00:32:57.000 You're using the porn rating system?

00:32:59.000 Dude, I had a one bite of a very small cookie.

00:33:03.000 This cookie was only like the size of a...

00:33:05.000 Just slightly larger than a quarter.

00:33:08.000 It was a small cookie.

00:33:09.000 I took a little bite out of it.

00:33:11.000 I said, let's just be careful.

00:33:12.000 I'll take a little bite out of it.

00:33:14.000 An hour later, I literally, my whole body was tangling.

00:33:18.000 I wanted to just lie down on the carpet and make like carpet angels.

00:33:22.000 I was blitzkrieged.

00:33:25.000 I mean, roaring, roaring through the tunnels of reality, clinging to the earth as it spins a thousand miles an hour.

00:33:34.000 I was blitzkrieged.

00:33:36.000 All I could think of is what the fuck would happen if I took that whole cookie?

00:33:40.000 I couldn't even keep my eyes open.

00:33:41.000 What would happen?

00:33:42.000 I was like this.

00:33:42.000 I was just sitting and I was like cuddling with myself on the couch.

00:33:47.000 I was blasted!

00:33:49.000 Meanwhile, the phone rang and I picked up the phone.

00:33:50.000 Hello.

00:33:51.000 I was talking to a buddy of mine.

00:33:52.000 Yeah, what's up, dude?

00:33:53.000 No, everything's cool.

00:33:54.000 Yeah, I think.

00:33:55.000 No, I'm just getting some writing done.

00:33:58.000 All right, man.

00:33:58.000 I'll talk to you later.

00:33:59.000 Bye.

00:33:59.000 Click.

00:33:59.000 Oh!

00:34:00.000 I went right back into it.

00:34:01.000 I could talk on the phone.

00:34:02.000 I could be okay.

00:34:04.000 I was functioning.

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:05.000 But I was thinking, what if I took that whole fucking cookie?

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 That's funny, though, that thing you just said about how that part of your mind, the part of your mind that clicks back in, no matter how deep the psychedelic experience is, there is a part of your mind.

00:34:19.000 The cop puts a flashlight in your eyes.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:21.000 Like, dude, we're cool.

00:34:22.000 It's all right.

00:34:23.000 Everything's fine.

00:34:23.000 Sir.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, it's very strange how your mind can do that no matter how far out you get.

00:34:28.000 It's a curiosity.

00:34:30.000 There's a story that Ram Dass talks about.

00:34:32.000 This lady called him because she was on Orange Sunshine, which was apparently back in the 60s.

00:34:38.000 It was like the ultimate LSD. It was like this legendary acid.

00:34:44.000 And she called him and said, you know, I've took too much orange sunshine.

00:34:50.000 I'm going completely insane.

00:34:52.000 I don't know what to do.

00:34:53.000 And he's like, okay, well, can you put the person on who...

00:34:59.000 Thought that they should call me and picked up the phone and dialed it, because that's who I want to talk to right now.

00:35:04.000 Because it's like, she was logical enough to know how to dial a phone and call and talk.

00:35:09.000 She was making logical decisions.

00:35:11.000 She had just decided to allow herself to be the crazy person for a second.

00:35:16.000 You know, there's always...

00:35:16.000 What I'm saying is, it's like...

00:35:19.000 There's always the observer.

00:35:21.000 There's always the part of yourself that's watching you go into whatever the experience is that you're going into, whether it's a psychedelic experience, whether it's a traumatic life experience.

00:35:32.000 There's always the part of you that's just kind of watching.

00:35:34.000 It just depends on who you want to identify with at any given moment.

00:35:39.000 That's so easier said than done, though, when you're talking about someone going on a bad trip.

00:35:43.000 Because when you go on a bad trip, you could feel utterly helpless.

00:35:47.000 The crazy thing about psychedelics is that you have to release yourself to them.

00:35:53.000 You must submit.

00:35:53.000 In order to take in the experience correctly, you've got to submit.

00:35:56.000 Or you've got to take doses where you have no choice.

00:35:59.000 Yes.

00:36:00.000 That's better.

00:36:01.000 You said that was awesome.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, no, it is.

00:36:11.000 That was as honest as you could have been.

00:36:12.000 Yes.

00:36:13.000 That's the better thing because when you have to surrender, that involves this choice to die.

00:36:18.000 But still, the bad trips occur.

00:36:20.000 And the reason why the bad trips occur is because you're fighting it, right?

00:36:23.000 Well, yeah.

00:36:24.000 I mean, bad trips can occur for a lot of different reasons.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, quite often it's ego death.

00:36:29.000 You're desperately trying to keep yourself from blinking out of existence.

00:36:33.000 Your ego kicks in and does the exact same thing that happens when someone's dying.

00:36:39.000 So it makes sense to you then that you would be feeling like you're going crazy and you'd be terrified.

00:36:45.000 Oh, no.

00:36:46.000 Sure.

00:36:47.000 Isn't it the real problem that there's no one to guide people on these experiences?

00:36:51.000 No really seasoned professionals that measure the dose in a clinical setting?

00:36:58.000 Could you imagine how much help people could get from that sort of an environment?

00:37:05.000 Dude, you've helped me.

00:37:06.000 I've talked to you on the phone when I'm way too high, and you've inevitably made me feel better just from talking to you, because I'll call and I'll...

00:37:13.000 If I'm freaking out, I don't remember the specific time, but I know that I've called you and just started talking about some terrible idea I'd have about an imminent war or something, like some awful thing I'm getting paranoid about, and you're really good at being like, that's not going to happen.

00:37:30.000 You're fine.

00:37:31.000 Everything's fine.

00:37:32.000 And it just takes that.

00:37:33.000 It's just one confident person being like, dude, everything's going to be really great.

00:37:37.000 You don't have to worry about anything, and you'll feel better.

00:37:40.000 So yeah, you're right.

00:37:41.000 There needs to be these people.

00:37:42.000 But that's not even someone who knows what they're doing.

00:37:46.000 That's just a friend.

00:37:47.000 You just called up a friend and it seemed normal.

00:37:49.000 But if you were getting dosed up by a professional...

00:37:52.000 Because I think...

00:37:54.000 Look, like I said, I do think that everything should be legal.

00:37:56.000 I mean, I think there's...

00:37:58.000 Horrible consequences to make crack and heroin illegal.

00:38:01.000 And if you want to keep those illegal, I'm not going to fight you.

00:38:04.000 I'm not going to fight you for meth.

00:38:06.000 I don't think it should be easy to get meth.

00:38:08.000 And I think the people who make meth, for sure, you should fucking put them in a cage.

00:38:12.000 Yes.

00:38:12.000 Some asshole wants to get someone addicted to some horrible fucking chemical that's from cold syrup and shit.

00:38:18.000 And it just completely fucks your world up.

00:38:20.000 But when it comes to other stuff, when it comes to like...

00:38:24.000 Mushrooms or ayahuasca or all...

00:38:27.000 These things have to be released to the public.

00:38:32.000 Totally.

00:38:32.000 They have to.

00:38:33.000 Sure.

00:38:33.000 If they don't get released to the public, society suffers.

00:38:37.000 Yeah.

00:38:37.000 Society is more lost.

00:38:39.000 Society is less introspective.

00:38:41.000 Society is more prone to patterns.

00:38:43.000 Yeah, it's like closing a library.

00:38:45.000 It's a type of library you're not letting people into.

00:38:48.000 Not just a library, but perhaps a source of inspiration, of knowledge, of wisdom.

00:38:54.000 It might even be another fucking life form.

00:38:56.000 You know, somebody corrected me on Twitter the other day about something.

00:39:00.000 We were talking about mushrooms being plants.

00:39:02.000 And it was like, actually, a mushroom's not a plant.

00:39:04.000 It's a fungus.

00:39:05.000 It's a totally different life source.

00:39:07.000 Isn't it its own kingdom?

00:39:08.000 It's its own kingdom.

00:39:09.000 And not only that, they're closer to animals than they are to plants.

00:39:13.000 Right.

00:39:14.000 And, you know, when you talk about giant superorganisms, the whole Pacific Northwest, apparently there's some giant mushroom colony in the Pacific Northwest.

00:39:26.000 It's all considered, you know, it's mycelium or whatever the fuck it is.

00:39:30.000 It's considered one large organism.

00:39:32.000 And it's one of the biggest organisms on the planet.

00:39:35.000 It's like a fucking sperm whale of mushrooms.

00:39:38.000 I think it's bigger than a sperm.

00:39:40.000 I mean, I think it's huge.

00:39:42.000 Isn't it miles or something?

00:39:44.000 It's something crazy like that.

00:39:45.000 But it is a life form.

00:39:47.000 And McKenna had this rap about mushrooms that not only did he think that mushrooms were the catalyst for humans evolving from lower primates, but he also thought that mushrooms came from another planet because the fact that spores could survive in a vacuum.

00:40:05.000 And the structure of, what is it, 5P? It's called...

00:40:10.000 4-Fox, 4-Loxy, and dimethyltryptamine.

00:40:12.000 Right, and he said something about the phosphorus in it.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, in four positions, you're the only one like it on the planet.

00:40:19.000 There's nothing like that mushroom on the planet, and yet it mimics human neurochemistry.

00:40:24.000 And dimethyltryptamine is produced in the human body, and it's in the blood-brain barrier, and they think it's responsible for dreams and all that shit, and this stuff has it in it.

00:40:34.000 That is part of what it is.

00:40:37.000 And if it really did come from another planet, imagine if all of our ideas about intelligent life are based on the ability to manipulate carbon, the ability to manipulate carbon matter.

00:40:49.000 But what if a mushroom is a life form that has evolved so far that it doesn't need a form anymore?

00:40:56.000 It doesn't need to move, and the way it gets you is you eat it.

00:41:00.000 And you can't kill it.

00:41:01.000 It fucking flies through space on an asteroid.

00:41:03.000 It gets knocked off of one planet and travels four billion light years to another one and lands there.

00:41:10.000 And it starts up a new fucking colony of mushrooms.

00:41:13.000 And they grow.

00:41:13.000 And they grow where people are.

00:41:15.000 They don't grow in the middle of nowhere.

00:41:16.000 They're not hard to find.

00:41:17.000 They're on grass lawns.

00:41:19.000 They're on lawns where people always are.

00:41:21.000 They're always around people, man.

00:41:23.000 There's people, there's mushrooms.

00:41:25.000 That's a weird thing.

00:41:26.000 That's a weird thing.

00:41:27.000 The idea that it's a life form.

00:41:29.000 A life form from another planet that came in on an asteroid.

00:41:32.000 It's the theory of pansperia.

00:41:34.000 That's how life is seeded throughout the universe.

00:41:36.000 What's the word?

00:41:37.000 Pansperia.

00:41:38.000 That's cool.

00:41:39.000 The idea is that the universe is seeded by asteroid impacts hitting planets and knocking off...

00:41:47.000 Amino acids and the building blocks of life and somehow or another some sort of a chemical reaction with another planet.

00:41:53.000 And also comets carrying water and the water comes and life is, you know, it goes from one planet to the other.

00:42:00.000 And that's the idea.

00:42:01.000 We're seeded by asteroids.

00:42:03.000 Yeah, that idea, I've heard McKenna's idea, and when you're tripping, it definitely does seem like you are getting some kind of transmission from something.

00:42:15.000 Well, not even a transmission to me.

00:42:18.000 To me, when I'm really gone, it feels like I'm in something, like I'm a part of it.

00:42:24.000 It's not a transmission.

00:42:28.000 Whatever your consciousness truly is, outside of cells and fingernails, whatever your inner consciousness is, this thing took me to another place.

00:42:40.000 And so the physical body that I exist and move around in literally didn't exist, and I was inside this other place.

00:42:45.000 It's an experience that's not like a transmission.

00:42:51.000 like more like a chemical gateway feeling and you know we talked about this before the podcast that it could just be your senses fucking with you when you're whacked out on drugs it could be it could be that your senses everybody's senses work the same way you take this whacked out drug and everybody gets a reaction the same way but i don't think it is um and even if it is it's more fun to think that it's not and there's no evidence to prove otherwise exactly so i'm gonna stick with because it's more empowering.

00:43:15.000 It's more fascinating.

00:43:16.000 I like to believe in magic.

00:43:17.000 I don't like to believe in too much magic, but I like to believe that mushrooms are magic.

00:43:22.000 I like to believe that DMT is magic.

00:43:24.000 I like to believe that weed is magic.

00:43:26.000 I really believe weed is magic.

00:43:27.000 It sounds stupid, but listen, I'm talking about it in a silly utilitarian way, in a way that's functional and easy to use without delving too deeply into what the weed is.

00:43:37.000 When I smoke weed, all of a sudden I get ideas.

00:43:40.000 I smoke weed and all of a sudden I have ideas.

00:43:44.000 What is that?

00:43:45.000 If that's not magic, I don't know what the fuck is.

00:43:48.000 Things come to you from the burning of a plant.

00:43:51.000 You burn a plant, you take in its essence.

00:43:55.000 Wisdom.

00:43:57.000 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 Introspective thoughts, start worrying about your own behavior, studying yourself, looking at the world differently, thinking about clouds, how strange clouds are, man.

00:44:07.000 They're just floating above us.

00:44:08.000 There's moisture in them.

00:44:10.000 Right.

00:44:10.000 Where's that coming from, man?

00:44:12.000 Well, you're whacked out, man.

00:44:13.000 You're killing your brain cells, man.

00:44:15.000 That's your brain cells dying.

00:44:16.000 That's the first sign your brain cells are dying is you start having brilliant thoughts.

00:44:20.000 You remember that?

00:44:21.000 This is your brain on drugs.

00:44:23.000 I would have loved at any point in time to get high and debate that guy.

00:44:28.000 The war on drugs.

00:44:29.000 The guy that did that commercial?

00:44:31.000 The VO guy?

00:44:31.000 The no-nonsense guy?

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:33.000 See this?

00:44:34.000 This is your brain.

00:44:35.000 Bill Hicks had a great bit about that.

00:44:37.000 Well, every comic at the time had a great bit about that.

00:44:39.000 Bill Hicks had a particularly brilliant one about that, about how preposterous it was.

00:44:44.000 You remember those commercials that came on after 9-11 where a guy was a no-nonsense guy in a steakhouse with a suit on eating a salad.

00:44:52.000 And his friend was like the silly man.

00:44:55.000 And his friend was like, man, you can't tell me that if I smoke pot, I'm supporting terrorism.

00:45:01.000 He goes, yes, I can.

00:45:02.000 And he's eating the lettuce.

00:45:04.000 You know why?

00:45:05.000 Because it's true.

00:45:07.000 That's the tomorrow show.

00:45:08.000 Like the no-nonsense man who's with his suit on and eating a salad.

00:45:12.000 I'll tell you right now, mister.

00:45:14.000 The drugs that you support terrorism, they're selling marijuana.

00:45:18.000 Fuck, man.

00:45:19.000 They're the most retarded.

00:45:21.000 There's no logic to them.

00:45:23.000 They appeal to the weakest of emotions.

00:45:25.000 The desire to be this fat douchebag eating a steak salad.

00:45:29.000 You know?

00:45:30.000 With a suit on.

00:45:31.000 I'm a no-nonsense man.

00:45:33.000 Bob's always working.

00:45:34.000 That's right.

00:45:35.000 He's a disciplined businessman.

00:45:37.000 Because it's true.

00:45:38.000 He's not taking any nonsense.

00:45:39.000 You know what's fucking true?

00:45:41.000 You know who else is a no-nonsense man?

00:45:42.000 That fucking pig in New York who maced those women he netted.

00:45:46.000 did you see that shit that fucking beefy piece of shit there's like these two apparently out there there's these two uh distinctions in the police they're and they're calling uh the white collar police and the blue collar police the guys in the blue suits are apparently just being police and they're cool but they're these violent kind of like uh thug pigs out there who have been like grabbing people who aren't doing anything and i saw the video of the girls getting maced did you

00:46:16.000 Did you see that video?

00:46:17.000 It looks like, does the girl try to pull down the barrier and then he just maces her?

00:46:20.000 Is that what happened?

00:46:21.000 No, no, no.

00:46:22.000 I watched it a bunch of times and I didn't see her do that.

00:46:24.000 And if she did do that, even then, I don't think it's...

00:46:26.000 You can't mace.

00:46:27.000 But he didn't just mace her.

00:46:29.000 He maced a bunch of them.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, for no reason.

00:46:33.000 For no reason.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 And then he kind of like skittered off.

00:46:36.000 He came in, did it, and then tried to sneak away.

00:46:40.000 They got a picture of the son of a bitch.

00:46:42.000 It's on, you can look at, what's the name of that thing?

00:46:44.000 It's Occupy Wall Street, is that what it's called?

00:46:47.000 On that site, OccupyWallStreet.org, I think, there's a picture of the guy.

00:46:51.000 They got a picture of him and they're trying to find him because they've got lawyers who are volunteering to help the people get out of jail and help the people who are, like, they've already arrested a hundred people.

00:47:02.000 And what are they doing?

00:47:02.000 They're protesting what?

00:47:04.000 See, the idea is they're protesting the fact that 1% of the people on the planet control all their resources and they're going to Wall Street because that seems to be the locus of all this greed.

00:47:16.000 There's great video.

00:47:17.000 There's video of these really rich people sitting out on a balcony drinking champagne and toasting the protesters.

00:47:24.000 All these super richy riches out there just watching them.

00:47:28.000 Fucking with them?

00:47:29.000 Yeah, kind of.

00:47:30.000 Really?

00:47:30.000 Yeah.

00:47:31.000 Wow.

00:47:31.000 You know, like, their novelty is like, look, oh, look at the protesters.

00:47:35.000 This is what I keep hearing.

00:47:36.000 I keep hearing that no one's covering this in the mainstream news.

00:47:40.000 I keep hearing that.

00:47:41.000 But then I'm looking at Bloomberg.com, and it's on there, it's on Business Insider.

00:47:44.000 They just, I think they've started covering it.

00:47:46.000 Just started covering it.

00:47:47.000 Like, they have to.

00:47:48.000 Yeah.

00:47:48.000 Because people are starting to get arrested.

00:47:50.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:47:51.000 Is that what it is?

00:47:52.000 But I don't know the real number of people that are out there right now.

00:47:55.000 I would love to know that.

00:47:57.000 This is fascinating.

00:47:58.000 This is a new movement.

00:48:00.000 Yep.

00:48:00.000 And it's happening right now.

00:48:02.000 I mean, if you're in New York, you could go down there right now and bring them a sandwich.

00:48:05.000 Because they've got to be hungry, man.

00:48:07.000 A lot of these kids, they've been out there for eight days.

00:48:10.000 Nearly 100 people have been arrested for protesting in and around Wall Street during what some are calling...

00:48:15.000 The Arab Spring of the United States outraged over the way that the political and financial worlds are managed.

00:48:29.000 Protesters calling themselves the 99% have gathered to share their grievances with the top 1% of America and demand change.

00:48:36.000 Well, I don't understand why it's illegal to protest.

00:48:39.000 I thought protesting was always legal.

00:48:41.000 You have to get a permit to protest.

00:48:44.000 These people don't have permits?

00:48:45.000 Is that what it is?

00:48:46.000 I think that they did get permits.

00:48:48.000 I don't know.

00:48:49.000 I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have a permit.

00:48:53.000 It seems gross that you should need to get permission to protest.

00:48:56.000 It seems like there should be some sort of a right.

00:48:58.000 But I don't know if you should be able to do it on someone's property.

00:49:00.000 Like, if you're blocking them...

00:49:01.000 Flocking traffic?

00:49:02.000 Yeah, that shit's annoying.

00:49:04.000 I mean, yeah, but it does seem to go counter to the idea of a protest, which is like, can I have your permission to protest?

00:49:09.000 You're just supposed to protest.

00:49:10.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it's something.

00:49:12.000 I support them.

00:49:14.000 They're doing something.

00:49:15.000 They're out there beating the drum.

00:49:16.000 They're letting everybody know, hey, we are pissed off.

00:49:19.000 But to say it, it's like an Arab Spring of the United States.

00:49:22.000 That's fascinating.

00:49:23.000 Well, people are sick.

00:49:24.000 I mean, it's like people, this whole thing of like 1% of the fucking population having all this shit.

00:49:29.000 It's like, at some point, that can't work anymore.

00:49:33.000 Let's imagine we're on an island.

00:49:35.000 And there's like 10 people on the island.

00:49:39.000 And one person on the island has control of all the bananas.

00:49:42.000 It's like, you gotta share the bananas, man.

00:49:45.000 You gotta pass the bananas around.

00:49:47.000 I don't care how you got them.

00:49:48.000 Right, and the idea is that, look, at the end of the day, you're using up the Earth's resources, especially if you're talking like some big, gigantic corporation.

00:49:57.000 You're using up a gigantic chunk of the Earth's resources, which, you know, really, in all fairness, should be distributed equally amongst all the people on the planet.

00:50:06.000 Yeah, we just don't have the technology yet to do it.

00:50:08.000 And also, a lot of the people who the resources would get distributed to are fucking idiots.

00:50:13.000 So that is a real problem, because a lot of people are not...

00:50:17.000 Because our education system is crap.

00:50:19.000 So people have been being brought up through a really crappy education system.

00:50:23.000 Not all schools are terrible, but a lot of them...

00:50:26.000 These kids, they have way too many kids.

00:50:28.000 How are you going to teach a classroom with 60 fucking kids, many of them who are living in poverty and their parents are drug addicts?

00:50:35.000 How are you going to do that?

00:50:36.000 You'd have to be Superman to pull that off.

00:50:39.000 So it's like you're dealing with people who haven't been educated and people who are hopeless.

00:50:44.000 And so the real question is, let's imagine that all the 1% that these people are protesting suddenly were like, you know what, we're going to distribute our wealth.

00:50:54.000 How do you do that?

00:50:55.000 How would you even do it anyway?

00:50:57.000 How do you solve the problem?

00:51:00.000 I don't know, but they're saying we have to do something.

00:51:01.000 That's what they're saying.

00:51:02.000 They're right.

00:51:03.000 They're right.

00:51:03.000 The system is completely fucked up.

00:51:05.000 It doesn't work.

00:51:05.000 It doesn't make sense that you – the whole idea of a financial system, the whole idea of when you start talking about banks and economics and numbers and manipulating things, and then things get so weird.

00:51:17.000 You talk about interest rates, and then you talk about taxes, and you talk about the distribution of the money.

00:51:23.000 Where is the tax money going?

00:51:24.000 When you break all these numbers down, then you realize that these numbers only represent numbers.

00:51:30.000 They don't represent a fucking bag of – They don't represent anything of real value.

00:51:38.000 It's like numbers.

00:51:39.000 So then when someone has fucking $18 billion or something crazy, and then you examine them and you go, what did you do?

00:51:48.000 Well, I moved numbers.

00:51:49.000 I moved numbers around and I made billions of dollars moving all these numbers and buying and selling numbers and agreeing and...

00:51:59.000 Graham Hancock's here.

00:52:01.000 Cool.

00:52:01.000 Powerful.

00:52:02.000 All right, folks.

00:52:02.000 That's the end of this one, and we'll be right back in about 15 minutes because he's going to eat some food.

00:52:07.000 But thank you, and sorry.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 25, 2011

Joe Rogan Experience #141 Duncan Trussell

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