The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1424 - Tom Papa

00:00:03.000 Tommy Papa!

00:00:04.000 Joey! 0.90

00:00:05.000 What's going on, buddy?

00:00:06.000 You looking at that tarantula hawk?

00:00:08.000 Yeah.

00:00:08.000 The size of that sucker, huh?

00:00:09.000 I know.

00:00:09.000 I found one of those in my tub once.

00:00:11.000 That's straight from Maynard's Farm.

00:00:13.000 Maynard from Tool.

00:00:15.000 Uh-huh.

00:00:15.000 Yeah, he sent me that.

00:00:16.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:17.000 He found that fucking thing.

00:00:19.000 Jesus.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, he was explaining it to me and then he sent me one.

00:00:22.000 That's how he rolls.

00:00:24.000 That's how he rolls.

00:00:26.000 You're the coolest.

00:00:28.000 You brought bread.

00:00:29.000 You know I'm on this all-meat diet.

00:00:30.000 I know.

00:00:31.000 But you have a family.

00:00:33.000 You have a family.

00:00:34.000 I'll deviate a little bit.

00:00:36.000 I'll deviate.

00:00:36.000 You might want to take a look at it later.

00:00:38.000 I deviated over this weekend.

00:00:40.000 You did?

00:00:40.000 Yeah, I went to Disneyland and I had ice cream and then Friday night or Saturday night.

00:00:47.000 Saturday night I had pasta.

00:00:49.000 I had all kinds.

00:00:51.000 I had Girl Scout cookies.

00:00:52.000 I had a bunch of Girl Scout cookies.

00:00:53.000 And dude, I'm telling you, Sunday my back was hurting.

00:00:57.000 Really?

00:00:58.000 Monday my back was hurting.

00:00:59.000 Everything was like my knee was hurting.

00:01:01.000 All this like inflammation.

00:01:03.000 It's crazy.

00:01:03.000 Aky, puffy.

00:01:04.000 Yeah.

00:01:05.000 One day back, two days, because today's Tuesday, so I ate Corn of War Monday and Tuesday.

00:01:10.000 Everything's normal yet.

00:01:12.000 Really?

00:01:13.000 No more eggs and pans.

00:01:14.000 So you were full on meat for a whole month.

00:01:18.000 How many meals a day?

00:01:19.000 Two, usually.

00:01:20.000 Two?

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 Usually a small meal around noon after I work out, and then dinner.

00:01:27.000 Alright.

00:01:28.000 And no eggs?

00:01:30.000 Yeah, I would eat eggs.

00:01:32.000 Eggs and fish.

00:01:33.000 Eggs, fish, meat.

00:01:35.000 No vegetables at all.

00:01:36.000 No vegetables at all.

00:01:37.000 No fruits, no bread, of course.

00:01:38.000 I had an olive.

00:01:40.000 No, two olives.

00:01:42.000 And two pieces of chili mango the entire month.

00:01:44.000 Two glorious olives.

00:01:46.000 But the pieces of chili mango, I legitimately felt guilty.

00:01:49.000 I love chili mango.

00:01:50.000 I've never had chili mango.

00:01:52.000 Oh my god, really?

00:01:52.000 No.

00:01:53.000 It's one of the greatest creations.

00:01:54.000 What is it?

00:01:55.000 Like a chili pepper mango?

00:01:57.000 It's dried mangoes, but with chili powder, all of them.

00:02:00.000 It's Mexican.

00:02:03.000 Big hit in the Mexican community. 1.00

00:02:04.000 Dried.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:05.000 It's so good, dude.

00:02:06.000 It's so good because it's got the sweetness from the dried mangoes, but then it's got the spiciness from the chili powder.

00:02:12.000 Ooh, that's right up my alley.

00:02:14.000 It's so good.

00:02:16.000 I ate two pieces.

00:02:17.000 I was only going to eat one.

00:02:18.000 I was like, fuck it, let me have another one.

00:02:20.000 When I ate that second one, I'm like, oh no, what have I done?

00:02:23.000 Why'd you decide to do it in the first place?

00:02:25.000 The diet?

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:27.000 Well, because January is World Carnivore Month, and I know quite a few people that have done it that have had some serious results.

00:02:34.000 And serious results with autoimmune issues, too.

00:02:38.000 I have vitiligo, which is an autoimmune disease.

00:02:40.000 It causes you to have these patches where you don't have pigment.

00:02:44.000 Oh, really?

00:02:44.000 And this month, I had the best results that I've ever had with vitiligo.

00:02:49.000 It's transient.

00:02:51.000 It comes and goes.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 It comes and goes depending upon how well I'm taking care of myself, treatments and stuff like that.

00:02:58.000 But this month, I've had all these spots fill in at a pretty rapid rate.

00:03:03.000 Really?

00:03:04.000 People with eczema have had spectacular results with it.

00:03:08.000 Now, if you were to suggest to someone who wouldn't eat just meat, what percentage meat, after going through this, do you think you would...

00:03:18.000 I think the problem is not plants as much as the problem really is refined sugar, carbohydrates, and bullshit.

00:03:28.000 That's what I think.

00:03:29.000 I think that's the problem.

00:03:30.000 Does cheese count in that?

00:03:31.000 You can eat cheese.

00:03:32.000 You can eat cheese?

00:03:33.000 You can eat cheese.

00:03:34.000 Really?

00:03:34.000 It's an animal product.

00:03:36.000 I think for most people the real problem is junk.

00:03:41.000 Candy, sugar, pasta.

00:03:45.000 Bread.

00:03:46.000 Glorious bread.

00:03:47.000 Even that bread?

00:03:48.000 That bread's probably better, because it has less gluten, because you make sourdough bread.

00:03:53.000 Yeah.

00:03:53.000 It's healthier.

00:03:54.000 Just flour, water, salt, and yeast.

00:03:56.000 It's healthier for you, but I think bread in general, just the idea of bread, it's a human-created product, right?

00:04:05.000 True.

00:04:06.000 You get all that concentrated carbohydrates in a very weird form.

00:04:10.000 It's It's like glue.

00:04:11.000 I mean, look at what it is when you're making the dough.

00:04:14.000 Total glue.

00:04:15.000 That eventually becomes glue in your stomach.

00:04:18.000 I've actually thought that before.

00:04:19.000 Did they put together cities with this stuff when they were starting out?

00:04:23.000 Because if it dries for a day, it's hard to get off the counter.

00:04:28.000 Right.

00:04:29.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 Well, you remember when you were a kid, you'd make paste?

00:04:31.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 You know?

00:04:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:32.000 Basically flour and water, and you'd make, like, a paste.

00:04:36.000 I just posted videos on how to bake the bread.

00:04:40.000 Oh! 0.60

00:04:40.000 Because everyone's constantly asking for it. 0.60

00:04:42.000 So I put a new series on YouTube called Getting Baked with Tom.

00:04:47.000 LAUGHTER And it's just me in my kitchen showing you how to make bread.

00:04:52.000 And I realized when I was making it, this is a long process.

00:04:55.000 I have four videos getting through one loaf of bread over multiple days.

00:05:00.000 Are you still doing the TV show?

00:05:02.000 You were doing a TV show for a while.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, we're not.

00:05:05.000 That was called Baked on the Food Network.

00:05:07.000 How'd that go?

00:05:08.000 It went great.

00:05:09.000 People really liked it, but we're not making any more.

00:05:12.000 I don't know why.

00:05:12.000 So then I was like, well, why do I need the Food Network?

00:05:15.000 I can just keep making it and put it on YouTube.

00:05:17.000 It's so much better to put it on YouTube because people can access it anytime they want.

00:05:21.000 Right.

00:05:22.000 This archaic system of waiting for Tuesday night at 8 o'clock, for sure.

00:05:27.000 Yeah, that's what suddenly occurred to me.

00:05:30.000 Like, wait, I've got cameras.

00:05:31.000 I've got friends.

00:05:33.000 There I am.

00:05:35.000 Look at you.

00:05:36.000 Yeah.

00:05:37.000 Have you varied your process at all since you first started doing this?

00:05:44.000 Have you added any?

00:05:45.000 Yeah.

00:05:46.000 Well, you get better at it.

00:05:48.000 It's a skill.

00:05:50.000 It's a thing.

00:05:51.000 Sure.

00:05:53.000 It sounds corny, but you become one with it.

00:05:55.000 Like, I know the weights of things just by holding it, and I know the timing of things, and I know the temperature, what that's going to do, and it's just very immersive.

00:06:05.000 So, yeah, I started branching out, and then also started making bagels and Bagels?

00:06:13.000 No, don't you have to boil bagels?

00:06:29.000 No, same flour.

00:06:30.000 Really?

00:06:31.000 Same flour.

00:06:31.000 Sourdough flour?

00:06:32.000 Yeah.

00:06:33.000 Sourdough bagels?

00:06:34.000 Yeah, that's the key.

00:06:35.000 Like, there's so many bad bagels in LA. And, you know, people always talk, oh, it's the water, it's this and that.

00:06:42.000 And, you know, I met this Vito's Pizza is a guy from Jersey here in LA that makes great pizza.

00:06:49.000 And I'm like...

00:06:50.000 So what is it, the water with the dough?

00:06:52.000 He's like, it's just knowing what you're doing.

00:06:55.000 And I keep running into these bad bagels.

00:06:58.000 And I realized the flavor that's coming out of the bagels I'm making is because of the sourdough starter.

00:07:04.000 It has this different flavor.

00:07:06.000 It's a deeper flavor.

00:07:07.000 It's not just to use that as the yeast.

00:07:09.000 It's to actually make it taste better.

00:07:12.000 Is it true that the water is different on the East Coast and is it a more mineral-rich water?

00:07:17.000 That's what everybody says.

00:07:18.000 Wouldn't that just be pretty easy to add those elements to water from the West Coast?

00:07:22.000 You would think.

00:07:23.000 And some people say that they, like, import the water.

00:07:26.000 Maybe that's why people are less flavorful over here.

00:07:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:29.000 Yeah, they're not filled with all the...

00:07:31.000 I mean, flavorful like Joey Diaz, like mad flavor.

00:07:37.000 He's got flavor.

00:07:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:39.000 He's got charisma.

00:07:40.000 The thing.

00:07:41.000 You don't get a lot of that out here.

00:07:44.000 No, you don't.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, it's different.

00:07:47.000 It's different.

00:07:47.000 It's a chill...

00:07:49.000 Well, even the people that do have flavor out here, it's like their flavor goes up to seven.

00:07:53.000 Right.

00:07:54.000 You don't get tens.

00:07:55.000 You're right.

00:07:55.000 You come from Jersey and you got rusty pipes, you got rats swimming in it, all generations of stuff in there.

00:08:03.000 Yeah, that's going to add to it for sure.

00:08:06.000 Yeah.

00:08:06.000 There's something...

00:08:07.000 The water does taste different, though.

00:08:09.000 It does.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.000 Like, my manager, Jeff, he loves New York City tap water.

00:08:14.000 He's always, like, stolen the virtues of New York City tap water.

00:08:16.000 I'm like, bro, you're crazy.

00:08:17.000 I'm not drinking that.

00:08:19.000 Just any day now, a hundred people could die from that shit.

00:08:22.000 I know.

00:08:23.000 It's one of those things.

00:08:24.000 Everybody's so proud about it, though.

00:08:25.000 And I am, too.

00:08:26.000 And we go back with my family, like, around Christmas.

00:08:28.000 We were just there, and I'm like, you just drink from the tap.

00:08:32.000 And my kids took a sip of it, and she's like, it tastes like carrots.

00:08:37.000 LAUGHTER And she was right.

00:08:40.000 She was really right.

00:08:41.000 It tastes like carrots.

00:08:42.000 That's hilarious.

00:08:44.000 It had that kind of iron, carrot-y flavor.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, there's stuff in there you're not supposed to drink, probably.

00:08:49.000 No, a lot of stuff.

00:08:49.000 Or maybe you are supposed to drink it, right?

00:08:52.000 Well, yeah, maybe.

00:08:53.000 Like minerals.

00:08:54.000 Less anemic, maybe.

00:08:55.000 Well, minerals taste bad.

00:08:58.000 But they're good for you, right?

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 Like hard water.

00:09:01.000 When you get hard water, isn't that minerals?

00:09:03.000 That's minerals.

00:09:04.000 Right.

00:09:05.000 And it's great to shower.

00:09:06.000 You ever shower in soft water?

00:09:09.000 And the soap just never comes off?

00:09:11.000 That's true.

00:09:11.000 After hours of sitting.

00:09:12.000 Why is that?

00:09:13.000 I don't know, but in my parents' townhouse, you take a shower, you're going to have soap on you the rest of the day.

00:09:19.000 So do they have a filtration system?

00:09:21.000 Is that what it is?

00:09:22.000 I don't know.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:09:24.000 Must be.

00:09:24.000 Right, must be something that takes the minerals out.

00:09:28.000 So when you get like that residue on your shower head, that white residue, that's hard water, right?

00:09:34.000 That's sperm. 0.97

00:09:35.000 Huh?

00:09:36.000 What?

00:09:37.000 Fun fact.

00:09:38.000 Oh no!

00:09:39.000 I am so busted.

00:09:44.000 That's one thing I've done maybe like three times my whole life is jerk off in the shower.

00:09:48.000 Three times?

00:09:49.000 Yeah, it's like never been my thing.

00:09:51.000 I think I've probably done it just to say, well, here's some place I've never jerked off.

00:09:57.000 I can't go through the world with a place that hasn't been violated.

00:10:01.000 I've never jerked off in the tub, I'll tell you that.

00:10:04.000 Never.

00:10:04.000 It's just too hot in there.

00:10:05.000 It's just too confusing and frustrating.

00:10:07.000 Well, you gotta let the water down a little.

00:10:09.000 Then you're just like, then you're being a weirdo.

00:10:11.000 That's like those guys who lay in bed to masturbate, they bring a box of tissues and a towel.

00:10:17.000 Set up like they're going on a date.

00:10:19.000 You're a pervert.

00:10:20.000 What's wrong with you?

00:10:21.000 Right, exactly.

00:10:21.000 Jerking off is supposed to be a maintenance thing.

00:10:23.000 Like, you just need it.

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:25.000 Like, let me just take care of this so I'm not obsessed.

00:10:27.000 Right.

00:10:28.000 Let me get a cup of coffee.

00:10:30.000 Let me do that.

00:10:30.000 Get to the goddamn office.

00:10:32.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:10:35.000 People that don't masturbate at all, that's got to occupy too much real estate in your head.

00:10:41.000 There's no doubt about it, right?

00:10:43.000 Well, I don't know.

00:10:45.000 You could argue that the people that do it all the time...

00:10:48.000 There's a lot of real estate.

00:10:50.000 I think porn, in particular, is a real issue for people.

00:10:55.000 It does become an obsession.

00:10:57.000 Yes, indeed.

00:10:58.000 I remember a buddy of mine was really into it in the early internet, and he started looking at the world through a porn lens.

00:11:06.000 Every girl was to be approached like somebody in a... 0.69

00:11:10.000 Yeah, it messed with his head.

00:11:12.000 Oh, that's not good.

00:11:12.000 Anything you watch...

00:11:14.000 For that amount of time.

00:11:15.000 Right?

00:11:16.000 It's going to affect you.

00:11:17.000 I've often thought that about violence because I've seen so many people get beat up.

00:11:20.000 Like I'm so comfortable with people getting beat up.

00:11:23.000 Right.

00:11:24.000 Like fights.

00:11:25.000 Like if I see a fight somewhere, like a fight breaks out.

00:11:27.000 Yeah.

00:11:28.000 My heart rate doesn't jack up.

00:11:30.000 It doesn't go, oh my God, this is crazy.

00:11:32.000 I can't believe they're fighting.

00:11:33.000 Right.

00:11:33.000 It's like, hmm.

00:11:34.000 Look at that.

00:11:35.000 Bad technique.

00:11:36.000 Dropping his hands.

00:11:37.000 Look at this dude.

00:11:38.000 Oh my god.

00:11:38.000 His left leg's off the ground.

00:11:40.000 There's no what he's doing.

00:11:40.000 This is out in the world?

00:11:41.000 Like, just seeing two guys go at it?

00:11:43.000 When I see two guys go at it, I'm like, look at this terrible technique.

00:11:46.000 And I'm running to the car.

00:11:47.000 I see everything coming a mile away.

00:11:48.000 It's crazy.

00:11:49.000 I see society becoming unhinged.

00:11:52.000 Yeah.

00:11:52.000 Get me out of here!

00:11:54.000 It becomes normal, I think.

00:11:55.000 Yeah.

00:11:56.000 Violence becomes normalized.

00:11:58.000 Like, you know, I've been reading a lot about Native American cultures lately.

00:12:01.000 I've gone through like five books on the Wild West over the last few months.

00:12:06.000 And one of the more disturbing and shocking things is the torture.

00:12:12.000 Native Americans would torture their victims. 1.00

00:12:16.000 Oh.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, particularly the Comanches.

00:12:18.000 Yeah.

00:12:19.000 Those were the badasses, right? 0.75

00:12:21.000 They were the badasses.

00:12:22.000 Yeah.

00:12:22.000 They were the reason.

00:12:23.000 Until they developed a repeating, a multiple-shot revolver that carried a chamber that had more than one bullet, they were running shit because everybody else had muskets.

00:12:33.000 And they could shoot multiple arrows.

00:12:36.000 You know, they could, they would, there's a, have you ever heard of, there's a guy named Lars Anderson, do you know who he is?

00:12:40.000 Yeah, I've heard of him.

00:12:41.000 He's a famous, YouTube famous archery expert.

00:12:45.000 Uh-huh.

00:12:45.000 And he, going through old texts and old artistic depictions, realized that the idea of a back quiver where you would reach back to grab an arrow and then put it on the string and then pull it back and shoot the arrow is not accurate.

00:13:00.000 That what they actually would do is put the arrows in between their fingers...

00:13:03.000 And they developed a technique where they would draw and pull and draw and pull and draw and pull.

00:13:09.000 Just release one at a time.

00:13:10.000 Yes.

00:13:10.000 And they would go from finger to finger.

00:13:12.000 So they literally could shoot an arrow a second.

00:13:14.000 Wow.

00:13:15.000 And so this guy, he actually shows how he can do it.

00:13:19.000 Not just in theory.

00:13:20.000 See how they're holding...

00:13:22.000 In some of the depictions, you see that they're holding multiple arrows in their hands instead of in a quiver.

00:13:28.000 And so he figured out how to do it.

00:13:31.000 Where he can shoot multiple arrows in a second.

00:13:35.000 See if you can get to him.

00:13:37.000 See, he's doing that.

00:13:38.000 That's him pulling arrows out.

00:13:40.000 And this is what the Comanche did? 0.99

00:13:42.000 Yes.

00:13:43.000 The Comanches were able to do that, and when they were able to do that, they were able to shoot the American settlers and the U.S. Army soldiers multiple times before they could get off another bullet because they had to pack a chamber. 0.93

00:13:57.000 See how he's shooting all those arrows?

00:13:58.000 Oh, yeah, look at that.

00:13:59.000 Because he keeps all the arrows in his fingers.

00:14:01.000 Wow.

00:14:02.000 So he tucks them in his finger, and then he just grabs it with the other hand, draws it back.

00:14:07.000 So they were actually winning the war for a while.

00:14:09.000 Exactly.

00:14:10.000 For hundreds of years.

00:14:11.000 Hundreds of years.

00:14:11.000 For hundreds of years.

00:14:12.000 And it was so crazy.

00:14:13.000 What they would do is the U.S. government would give people allotments of land, saying, hey, Oklahoma's a beautiful place.

00:14:21.000 Why don't you guys move there?

00:14:23.000 And you can get a thousand acres of land.

00:14:25.000 Like, whoa, golly, I'm going to take my family and move to Oklahoma.

00:14:31.000 Yeah.

00:14:49.000 Yes.

00:14:49.000 I mean, it's horrific.

00:14:51.000 Whether it's conscious or unconscious, or whether it's semi-aware, or maybe these people could fix it.

00:14:57.000 But they definitely did get slaughtered.

00:14:59.000 What part of the country were the Comanche?

00:15:01.000 Oklahoma, Texas, a lot of sections of the West.

00:15:05.000 They ran things.

00:15:07.000 Thousands?

00:15:08.000 Yeah.

00:15:09.000 They were incredibly nomadic.

00:15:11.000 They rode horses.

00:15:12.000 They were fantastic with horses.

00:15:15.000 They had the most horses, which is one of the reasons why they're the most powerful tribe.

00:15:19.000 And all they ate was meat.

00:15:20.000 They would eat buffalo, mostly, and occasionally berries and stuff like that.

00:15:25.000 But mostly their diet consisted of buffalo.

00:15:27.000 So they would follow the buffalo and then kill all the other Native Americans they encountered. 0.99

00:15:32.000 Oh, really?

00:15:32.000 Kill all the settlers they encountered.

00:15:34.000 Oh, they were ruthless.

00:15:35.000 Jeez.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:36.000 But the torture.

00:15:38.000 The torture is insane.

00:15:40.000 Cutting people's arms and legs off and throwing them on a fire while they're still alive.

00:15:44.000 Shit like that.

00:15:44.000 Jeez, so they enjoyed it.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, I mean, this book that I read, Empire of the Summer Moon, is all about the Comanches. 0.91

00:15:51.000 This guy S.G. Gwynne was in here and he kind of explained how he found out about it when he moved to Texas.

00:15:57.000 And he moved to Texas and started delving into the history of the Comanches and the war that the Texas Rangers, the Texas Rangers, the original Texas Rangers were created to combat the Comanches.

00:16:08.000 They were these super badass soldiers that dressed like Indians.

00:16:12.000 And they realized they had to learn how to fight on horses, because the Comanches actually shot arrows on horses, whereas the original U.S. soldiers would get off the horse to shoot a shot. 0.61

00:16:22.000 Right.

00:16:23.000 And it just was ineffective.

00:16:24.000 Right.

00:16:24.000 And the Comanches would run up on them and fill them up with arrows.

00:16:27.000 Right.

00:16:28.000 And kill everybody. 0.55

00:16:29.000 It was crazy.

00:16:30.000 They would kidnap all these white settlers and take their babies and kill their babies, take their children, incorporate their children into the tribes, rape the women, torture and kill the men. 0.93

00:16:40.000 Wow.

00:16:41.000 But they were nomadic.

00:16:42.000 So they didn't settle, create little towns.

00:16:44.000 They were just always moving around.

00:16:46.000 Only tents.

00:16:47.000 And they followed the buffalo.

00:16:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:49.000 So just like seasons, they would stay in an area for a little bit.

00:16:51.000 They would just follow the buffalo.

00:16:53.000 Wherever the buffalo were, that's where they would go.

00:16:55.000 Jeez.

00:16:56.000 Yeah, but the thing about it is, it's, to me, so strange that cultures can become comfortable with extreme violence.

00:17:04.000 Like, very comfortable.

00:17:05.000 Yeah.

00:17:06.000 Right.

00:17:06.000 Well, anything that you're just exposed to all the time.

00:17:10.000 You know, we're a pretty violent society, right?

00:17:12.000 We see a lot of violent images all the time.

00:17:15.000 Yeah.

00:17:15.000 We see it, but in terms of day-to-day violence, compared to just a couple of hundred years ago, it's a pretty radical drop-off.

00:17:23.000 Yeah, you'd have to choose to digest it now.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, you'd have to choose.

00:17:26.000 But a lot of people do choose.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, but also you can put yourself in a little bubble and feel like it doesn't really exist.

00:17:32.000 Or you can get into a murder bubble, just like some people get into a porn bubble.

00:17:36.000 Right.

00:17:36.000 You can just get into watching people get slaughtered all day long.

00:17:40.000 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:17:40.000 There's plenty of videos.

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:42.000 Nah, I'm going to watch other things.

00:17:44.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 Bread.

00:17:46.000 My Netflix special.

00:17:48.000 Oh, that's that.

00:17:48.000 It comes out tonight, right?

00:17:50.000 At midnight?

00:17:50.000 Is that what it is?

00:17:51.000 Last midnight.

00:17:52.000 Oh, last night.

00:17:53.000 So it's out right now.

00:17:54.000 It's out.

00:17:54.000 Oh my Jesus.

00:17:56.000 It's done.

00:17:56.000 It's out.

00:17:57.000 Are you happy with it?

00:17:58.000 I am happy with it.

00:17:59.000 How many years did you work on it?

00:18:00.000 Two and a half.

00:18:01.000 That's a good number.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:02.000 Close to three.

00:18:03.000 Yeah.

00:18:04.000 That's a good number.

00:18:04.000 Yeah.

00:18:05.000 That seems like to polish an act, get it tight, tour with it a little bit, and then almost get to the point where you're done with it.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, almost sick of it.

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 Where something started, that's how I can tell when jokes start to peel off, because you're not, you're done with them.

00:18:20.000 Yeah.

00:18:21.000 And then other ones, do you ever have when you get close to taping, all of a sudden something new pops in and makes the lineup last minute?

00:18:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:30.000 Oh, of course.

00:18:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:31.000 Of course, yeah.

00:18:31.000 Other stuff you've been working on and really trying to perfect it for a couple of years, and then all of a sudden something shows up like the last week that's a killer.

00:18:39.000 Yeah.

00:18:39.000 I think it's just you're in that space.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 And yeah, I shot it in Newark.

00:18:45.000 Newark?

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 Really?

00:18:46.000 Yeah.

00:18:47.000 Why Newark?

00:18:47.000 I'm from Jersey.

00:18:49.000 I'm a Jersey guy.

00:18:50.000 I was born in Newark.

00:18:51.000 Yeah.

00:18:52.000 And I just feel like I just have a real affection for all those great New Jersey cities that have been just destroyed by corruption.

00:19:01.000 Passaic, Patterson, Trenton, Newark.

00:19:06.000 Was that what destroyed them?

00:19:24.000 It's just awful.

00:19:25.000 Just really.

00:19:26.000 And it just became real violent places and people started moving out.

00:19:29.000 And I really think it's going to come back.

00:19:31.000 They're just too great.

00:19:32.000 It's like Asbury Park at the Jersey Shore.

00:19:34.000 I used to drive through there and it was just bombed out with these great big Victorian homes right on the beach.

00:19:40.000 It's like, how's this place not just kicking ass?

00:19:44.000 And the only way that it ever works, the gay community comes in and says, well, this is nice, and we're going to fix it. 1.00

00:19:50.000 Is it the gay community that built it up? 1.00

00:19:51.000 Yeah, they saved...

00:19:53.000 Asbury Park?

00:19:54.000 Asbury Park, absolutely.

00:19:55.000 That's awesome.

00:19:56.000 So I think it's going to come back.

00:19:57.000 So I just wanted to, in a little way, just shine a little light on Newark.

00:20:02.000 So Asbury Park is basically a gay neighborhood now?

00:20:04.000 I don't know if it's a gay neighborhood, but it's a good, healthy gay population.

00:20:08.000 And so they buy these Victorians that are on the beach, and are they valuable now?

00:20:13.000 Yeah.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, the real estate's really come up there.

00:20:15.000 Only makes sense, right?

00:20:16.000 There's only so much beachfront property.

00:20:19.000 Exactly.

00:20:19.000 I mean, look at Malibu.

00:20:21.000 It's preposterous.

00:20:22.000 I've looked at houses in Malibu that are on the beach.

00:20:24.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:24.000 It's hilarious.

00:20:25.000 Yeah.

00:20:26.000 Like...

00:20:28.000 It doesn't make sense money.

00:20:29.000 Millions and millions of dollars for a house that looks like it costs $150,000.

00:20:32.000 I know, exactly.

00:20:34.000 Yeah, that in North Carolina probably would.

00:20:36.000 Yeah.

00:20:37.000 Right?

00:20:37.000 And should.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 No, it's crazy.

00:20:40.000 But it's limited.

00:20:41.000 There's not that much, especially in that area.

00:20:44.000 You know, the Jersey Shore, the whole coast.

00:20:46.000 It's like Manhattan.

00:20:47.000 It's the same thing.

00:20:48.000 Yeah.

00:20:49.000 But I do feel like, I mean, you look back and you read all these books from, like, Philip Roth and stuff.

00:20:57.000 He was from Newark.

00:20:58.000 And it was just this thriving place with industry and people living their lives.

00:21:02.000 And then it became this real darkness.

00:21:05.000 And it feels like, I'm hopeful that the population will succeed in turning them over. 1.00

00:21:15.000 Hmm.

00:21:15.000 So what was the theater that you went to?

00:21:18.000 The Performing Arts Center, the Victoria Theater, and it's like this performing arts theater there.

00:21:24.000 It's beautiful, great space.

00:21:27.000 This little downtown, it's where the Devils are playing and the Nets before they moved.

00:21:35.000 It's like this one square block.

00:21:37.000 I mean, you get on a train, you're in Manhattan in 10 minutes.

00:21:40.000 So it was this great theater.

00:21:41.000 I did two shows there.

00:21:42.000 I'd performed there before.

00:21:44.000 I've got a lot of fans in Jersey.

00:21:46.000 Yeah, slowly, parts of it.

00:21:48.000 It's tough.

00:21:49.000 Two steps forward and two steps back.

00:21:52.000 We've done some UFC fights there.

00:21:54.000 Oh, yeah?

00:21:54.000 Yeah.

00:21:55.000 Oh, right, because you couldn't do New York, right?

00:21:57.000 Yes, for a long time.

00:21:58.000 Right.

00:21:58.000 So we used to do it in Newark.

00:22:00.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 You know, there's a beautiful downtown area, really great, beautiful Whole Foods and Nike.

00:22:05.000 Really?

00:22:06.000 Yeah, beautiful.

00:22:07.000 Newark?

00:22:07.000 Yeah, beautiful.

00:22:08.000 And then, you know, you get to the outer...

00:22:10.000 You go a couple more blocks.

00:22:12.000 It's a different story.

00:22:13.000 When I first moved to New York, I stayed with my grandfather in Newark.

00:22:18.000 Oh, yeah?

00:22:18.000 My grandfather bought a house in Newark in, like, the early...

00:22:23.000 I guess it was probably the 40s he bought a house there and stayed there until he died.

00:22:28.000 Oh, really?

00:22:28.000 North 9th Street.

00:22:29.000 And it was originally an Italian neighborhood, and then it slowly became a bunch of different kinds of neighborhoods.

00:22:36.000 They did a thing called blockbusting.

00:22:37.000 What's that?

00:22:38.000 Where real estate agents would come in and say, hey, black people are moving into this neighborhood.

00:22:43.000 You've got to sell now or your real estate value is going to drop.

00:22:45.000 What?

00:22:46.000 Yeah, and my grandfather was like, fuck you, I like black people.

00:22:49.000 Get out of here.

00:22:50.000 He stayed there forever.

00:22:52.000 Why would I move?

00:22:53.000 He wouldn't move, man.

00:22:54.000 But the neighborhood changed from an all-Italian neighborhood to a black neighborhood, and then it eventually became a bunch of different immigrants.

00:23:02.000 Right.

00:23:03.000 And then when I stayed there...

00:23:05.000 And this was probably 88, 91, 92 was when I lived there.

00:23:11.000 It was bad, man.

00:23:12.000 Yeah.

00:23:12.000 Next door neighbor got his house broken into by the cops.

00:23:16.000 They battering rammed his front door because he was selling crack.

00:23:19.000 Oh my god.

00:23:20.000 Yeah.

00:23:20.000 The crack epidemic.

00:23:21.000 My grandfather knew that kid from the time he was little.

00:23:24.000 Terrible.

00:23:25.000 You know, he's watching this kid grow up to become a drug dealer.

00:23:28.000 God.

00:23:29.000 He had like a nice Audi that he kept parked in the driveway.

00:23:32.000 Right.

00:23:32.000 Behind a gate.

00:23:34.000 Geez.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, he was spending all that crack money.

00:23:36.000 Crack money.

00:23:37.000 My sister runs this nonprofit, I think I've talked to you about it, called City Green out of Clifton.

00:23:42.000 And they create all of these city gardens and...

00:23:46.000 Take over farmlands, like in Passaic and Patterson.

00:23:50.000 And it just really, you bring these young kids in.

00:23:54.000 She has like these learning gardens and these school programs where these kids from Patterson and Passaic come in.

00:23:59.000 And they're just like these young little kids that don't understand like where vegetables come from.

00:24:04.000 Their parents, their families are blown apart and they're just like, they're as thirsty as the vegetables.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 They just want love and learning and want to be useful.

00:24:15.000 It's so inspiring to see.

00:24:18.000 And if you can get kids at that age, like four, five, six, seven, if you can get them there, that's going to change everything.

00:24:27.000 If you can come in and help these kids out and give them a lifeline, that seems like where most of the change can happen.

00:24:36.000 Yeah, if you can catch them when they're young.

00:24:38.000 Yeah.

00:24:38.000 Give them a positive direction to go into.

00:24:40.000 That's one of the things that I've talked about a bunch of times in the podcast.

00:24:44.000 Like, we spend so much money overseas to try to replace dictators and get rid of fucked up governments.

00:24:51.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 Going into inner cities and trying to give young kids a chance.

00:24:57.000 I know.

00:24:58.000 Give them opportunities, create community centers, do something where you give them an alternative to drugs and crime and gangs and all the shit that plagues those areas.

00:25:06.000 That's where I really believe.

00:25:07.000 And I've talked to other people that are really into philanthropy, and they all seem to think that that's the way to do it.

00:25:14.000 Get them when they're young.

00:25:15.000 Get them when they're young.

00:25:15.000 But what the program is, is difficult, and you've got to try and get the parents involved with it and all that.

00:25:21.000 If you can do that, there's, I mean, they're so inspiring when you see these kids then move up to high school and they're just, you know, I grew up with kids that were, you know, okay and so lazy in comparison to these kids.

00:25:37.000 They just suck everything in and want to do well and they're inspiring.

00:25:41.000 These kids will just kick ass, do whatever they have to do to learn, do whatever they have to do to get into college.

00:25:47.000 They're just really like some of the best people you could possibly make.

00:25:52.000 Because they're thankful that they had that opportunity and they understand that they could have gone a bad way.

00:25:57.000 Right.

00:25:58.000 Like a lot of people that they grew up with.

00:25:59.000 Yeah, and they see in their neighborhoods, you know, there's trouble.

00:26:03.000 This isn't guaranteed that things are going to go right for me.

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 Right?

00:26:10.000 It's amazing that there hasn't been more time and effort invested by the government to try to clean up these terrible neighborhoods.

00:26:16.000 It's just not immediately profitable and I guess every politician has four years in office.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, it's really...

00:26:24.000 I know.

00:26:25.000 It's like...

00:26:26.000 I did a fundraiser in Newark.

00:26:30.000 This is where I got the idea to do the special there.

00:26:32.000 I did a fundraiser.

00:26:33.000 It wasn't a fundraiser.

00:26:34.000 It was like an awards dinner kind of thing for this prominent lawyer.

00:26:39.000 And all these politicians were there.

00:26:41.000 And they all seem like, you know, people with good intentions and whatever.

00:26:45.000 And then you walk out into...

00:26:47.000 Into the city and on the way to the airport.

00:26:50.000 And it's like, man, this is some of these areas.

00:26:53.000 It's like, how?

00:26:54.000 Those people were nice, but it'll take thousands of those people to really all work on that problem.

00:27:01.000 Like, I don't know how you do it.

00:27:03.000 And you know, when I travel around touring, and I'm sure you see it too, in every city, all of a sudden, there's these tent cities just popping up with homeless people that wasn't around when I started touring.

00:27:16.000 Like in the middle of New Orleans, in the middle of every city, San Francisco, the upper Midwest, there's just all of a sudden these camps of homeless people.

00:27:27.000 That did not exist before.

00:27:28.000 No, Los Angeles is staggering.

00:27:30.000 I mean, there's basically a small city inside the city.

00:27:35.000 Right now, they're bordering on 70,000 people.

00:27:38.000 70,000.

00:27:39.000 70,000 people live on the streets in Los Angeles.

00:27:41.000 Just in LA. Just in LA. And because LA never really gets cold, it only rains 10 times a year, it's really not that hard.

00:27:47.000 If you have a tent, you can live outside.

00:27:50.000 Yeah, and they do.

00:27:51.000 They do.

00:27:52.000 Full-on tents, and they string them all together.

00:27:54.000 They create little villages.

00:27:56.000 Yeah.

00:27:57.000 The underpasses all throughout LA now are filled with tents.

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:03.000 No, it's incredible.

00:28:04.000 It's fucking weird.

00:28:05.000 How much of it is...

00:28:06.000 I have no idea, but how much of it is mental illness and how much of it is just economic?

00:28:11.000 I'm sure it's all the above.

00:28:13.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.000 It's a bunch of different factors, but mental...

00:28:17.000 Well, mental illness for sure was what started out the wave of homeless people during the Reagan administration because they changed the criteria for people being able to be confined to a mental health institute.

00:28:29.000 They released a bunch of people.

00:28:31.000 They changed what constituted you being mentally ill.

00:28:34.000 Whereas before there were asylums, people could get help and counseling. 0.53

00:28:38.000 Right.

00:28:39.000 Maybe even get out.

00:28:40.000 But now, they just kick those people out.

00:28:43.000 Or then, they just kick those people out.

00:28:45.000 Right.

00:28:45.000 And I remember it.

00:28:47.000 Because...

00:28:47.000 How old are you?

00:28:48.000 I'm 50. Yeah, I'm a little older than you.

00:28:50.000 I'm 52. So when I was...

00:28:52.000 I'm really 52. Uh-huh.

00:28:54.000 When I was, I guess I was like in high school or right after high school when Reagan was in office, all that shit was going down and people were freaking out because all of a sudden there was homeless people wandering around the street.

00:29:06.000 Right.

00:29:06.000 And that didn't exist before and people were really angry.

00:29:09.000 They were like, these are mentally ill people and now they're just wandering.

00:29:12.000 And, you know, I lived in Boston and it was fucking really cold to see people wandering around Boston.

00:29:18.000 There's definitely always a large portion of people that truly, truly need help.

00:29:24.000 It's not just that they're lazy or don't just go get a job.

00:29:28.000 There's major issues and there needs to be some kind of a safety net to help these people.

00:29:36.000 And you could just see it.

00:29:37.000 I mean, it's so weird to be...

00:29:38.000 It's popping up in LA in areas that it never was before.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, and even what is lazy, right?

00:29:45.000 Like, how many people that are that lazy that they're homeless?

00:29:48.000 How many people are mentally ill?

00:29:50.000 There's got to be a lot of them.

00:29:51.000 A lot.

00:29:52.000 A lot.

00:29:52.000 Mental illness is a weird thing, right?

00:29:54.000 Because it's got such a stigma attached to it.

00:29:56.000 But I think...

00:29:59.000 What is wellness, right?

00:30:00.000 What's mental wellness?

00:30:01.000 Maintaining a beautiful state of mind, peaceful, relaxed, calm, thankful, filled with gratitude, loved, happy.

00:30:11.000 That's healthy, right?

00:30:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:30:13.000 Everyone experiences some mental illness, just like everyone experiences some physical illness.

00:30:18.000 But it's a matter of whether or not it becomes chronic, prolonged, and what it does to you and the people around you.

00:30:25.000 And some people have it way worse, just like some people have way worse physical health, right?

00:30:30.000 Some people have way worse mental health, and some people it deteriorates.

00:30:34.000 And sometimes you could be on the right track, and some stuff happens to you, and within six months, you're in trouble.

00:30:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:43.000 It's a tricky situation to kind of maintain.

00:30:47.000 We're a lot more fragile than we like to pretend we are.

00:30:50.000 It's one of the beautiful things about being a comic is that we have a real community.

00:30:55.000 I mean, we have a really beautiful, supportive community of like-minded weirdos.

00:31:01.000 It's really true.

00:31:02.000 It really is true.

00:31:03.000 I know.

00:31:04.000 Is there a place that other people get to go to, that we get to go to, like the store, where everybody's hugging everybody, everybody sees everybody?

00:31:10.000 I know.

00:31:11.000 So friendly.

00:31:12.000 I was thinking about that.

00:31:13.000 I was leaving, and every time you leave a club, whether it's the store or the cellar in New York, everyone's always asking, are you going to be here tomorrow?

00:31:24.000 Are you going to be around?

00:31:25.000 Where are you going?

00:31:26.000 Everyone cares about – they want to see you again, and they want to know if you're coming back.

00:31:30.000 And I was like, that's such a wonderful thing.

00:31:33.000 This isn't an office.

00:31:34.000 This isn't people that are being made to see you every day.

00:31:38.000 But if you're leaving the store and we say goodnight, it's like, are you going to be here tomorrow?

00:31:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:44.000 It's like, are you coming back to the Playhouse?

00:31:45.000 Yeah.

00:31:47.000 People are looking forward to it.

00:31:48.000 We're real lucky in that regard, because I don't think musicians have a spot like that.

00:31:52.000 Where they get to go to.

00:31:53.000 They feel isolated if they're not with their band or their family.

00:31:57.000 You know, they're isolated.

00:31:58.000 Yeah.

00:31:58.000 And it's interesting because L.A., it's the store's revival, I think, has given it a sense of place.

00:32:06.000 Because coming from New York, I felt when I was out here like, oh, comedians just roll into the Laugh Factory and then they get in their car and they're gone.

00:32:13.000 There's no...

00:32:14.000 Hangout.

00:32:14.000 Yeah, there's nothing there.

00:32:15.000 And the improv had it.

00:32:17.000 For a while, then they messed with the bar and they moved it to the other side.

00:32:20.000 They ruined it.

00:32:21.000 That was such a great place.

00:32:22.000 They ruined it.

00:32:23.000 I know, and it hasn't got its mojo back.

00:32:25.000 How do you get a mojo back?

00:32:26.000 I don't know.

00:32:28.000 Have you ever seen that photo of the improv where it's Jay Leno, he's got a pipe?

00:32:32.000 Yeah.

00:32:32.000 He's hanging out in the bar, and everyone's in the bar.

00:32:35.000 The bar's packed with people.

00:32:37.000 Packed, I know.

00:32:38.000 And it's this weird sort of photograph of capturing time.

00:32:42.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 And that was what it was like when I first started coming here.

00:32:46.000 There was basically two schools.

00:32:48.000 There was the improv school, and then there was the comedy store school.

00:32:52.000 Right.

00:32:52.000 And then there was the Laugh Factory, just like the stepchild.

00:32:56.000 Right.

00:32:57.000 It was weird.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, it's always a little weird.

00:32:59.000 Because Jamie used to work at the comedy store.

00:33:01.000 He was a dishwasher there and he left to start his own comedy club.

00:33:04.000 Yeah.

00:33:05.000 You would, you know, the industry people would go to the improv.

00:33:08.000 There was all like the people that were angling to get on sitcoms and the people that were squeaky clean.

00:33:14.000 Right.

00:33:15.000 And then the deranged weirdos were all hanging around at the store.

00:33:19.000 Yeah, because it's comfortable there for them.

00:33:21.000 But the new wave, the new revival of the store is very different.

00:33:26.000 Totally different.

00:33:26.000 Very different.

00:33:27.000 But it still has that...

00:33:30.000 Shadows of that.

00:33:31.000 There's some derangement.

00:33:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:32.000 There's still some derangement there.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, it's in the walls.

00:33:35.000 It's baked in the carpets.

00:33:36.000 You can't get it out.

00:33:39.000 You can't.

00:33:40.000 You'd never be able to build a place like that.

00:33:43.000 It would have to already exist.

00:33:44.000 Yes.

00:33:45.000 Because if you try to build a place in 2020, you said, all right, we're going to build a new comedy store.

00:33:49.000 We're going to put it over here in Silver Lake, and we're going to, this is this and that and that, and we're going to make it like the comedy store.

00:33:55.000 It would feel like a hotel bar.

00:33:57.000 It would go there, an Encino hotel bar.

00:33:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:00.000 Why am I here?

00:34:02.000 Why is it echoey?

00:34:03.000 What's wrong here?

00:34:04.000 It seems odd.

00:34:06.000 There's no soul.

00:34:07.000 Places have a soul.

00:34:08.000 And that place has a lot of soul, a lot of dark souls, a lot of mixed up souls.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, that's a weird point of contention with scientists and with people that are open to more...

00:34:23.000 Weird ideas.

00:34:24.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.000 That things have a feel to them.

00:34:27.000 That things even have a memory to them.

00:34:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:31.000 I believe that 100%.

00:34:32.000 I do, too.

00:34:33.000 But if you talk to a brilliant scientist, they would dismiss that instantaneously.

00:34:38.000 They think they're all brilliant, but they're not open to everything.

00:34:42.000 They're acting all smart with their little test scores and their lab coats.

00:34:45.000 But walk into an old hotel in Italy and tell me that you don't feel something there, that history.

00:34:52.000 I'm not saying it's all ghosts coming up and giving you belly rubs.

00:34:56.000 Why do you think?

00:34:57.000 Did they have that dismissive need to be a reductionist, to reduce everything down to its core components and dismiss any soul?

00:35:07.000 It gives you control, right?

00:35:09.000 It gives you an idea that this crazy madness is somehow manageable.

00:35:14.000 I do it too in my life.

00:35:16.000 I organize my desk and I get my thing and I get my schedule and everything's okay.

00:35:20.000 This isn't chaos.

00:35:22.000 No, we're not all going to be...

00:35:25.000 This isn't completely out of my control.

00:35:27.000 I'm controlling this.

00:35:28.000 At least my pen's over there and my book's over here, right?

00:35:31.000 I would think that that's what it is.

00:35:33.000 And if you can't justify it with facts and numbers, then it doesn't exist.

00:35:38.000 Well, I don't know because certain places always seem to have a personality.

00:35:44.000 There's more going on.

00:35:47.000 Just because we haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean that that stuff doesn't exist.

00:35:52.000 No, I agree.

00:35:53.000 Even this room, even this place.

00:35:55.000 You moved here, right?

00:35:57.000 The old place was the thing, but this feels different now than when you first showed up.

00:36:02.000 It's got stuff.

00:36:04.000 There's some memories.

00:36:05.000 There's some things that have happened.

00:36:07.000 There's like...

00:36:08.000 It feels comfortable here.

00:36:09.000 Well, we got this desk, too.

00:36:11.000 This is the same desk from the beginning.

00:36:13.000 This desk is soaked in with people's palm sweat and weirdness and good feelings and weird feelings.

00:36:20.000 Yeah, and that wouldn't have come from something that wasn't wood.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:36:25.000 And this is also reclaimed farmhouse wood.

00:36:28.000 Yeah?

00:36:29.000 Yeah, this is all from some Russian farm.

00:36:32.000 This is all reclaimed oak.

00:36:34.000 All this shit is like 100 years old.

00:36:35.000 Wow.

00:36:36.000 From where?

00:36:37.000 Russia.

00:36:38.000 We decided to get this wood.

00:36:41.000 One of the things, when I was building this, I said, can we get wood that's old?

00:36:46.000 Yeah.

00:36:46.000 And so we figured out that there was ways that you could get really old oak.

00:36:51.000 Wow.

00:36:52.000 And so, Eric, the guy who made all this, got this really old Russian oak and cut it all down and trimmed it and, you know...

00:37:01.000 Right.

00:37:01.000 Everything's all, you know...

00:37:02.000 It's, like, got cracks in it and it's expanded and...

00:37:07.000 It has personality.

00:37:07.000 It's alive.

00:37:08.000 Yeah, it's alive.

00:37:09.000 If it's not alive, I mean, it's organic.

00:37:12.000 That's probably the best way to describe it.

00:37:14.000 Yeah.

00:37:14.000 No, it has a difference.

00:37:16.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 And then, you know, if you want to go further and talk about the ghosts that show up, it's definitely a ghost, too.

00:37:21.000 Did I ever show you the picture of my ghost?

00:37:23.000 You have a picture of a ghost?

00:37:25.000 Didn't I show you that?

00:37:26.000 Did I ever show you that, Jamie?

00:37:28.000 I don't think so.

00:37:29.000 You have a ghost?

00:37:30.000 I have a ghost.

00:37:31.000 Where?

00:37:31.000 Your house?

00:37:32.000 I apologize if I'm repeating myself.

00:37:34.000 I don't know if you are.

00:37:35.000 I don't remember the story.

00:37:36.000 I got one of those Nest cameras.

00:37:39.000 Oh, the Nest cameras captured a ghost?

00:37:41.000 Yeah, and I was at the Comedy Works in Denver.

00:37:44.000 And the ghost comes with you to Denver?

00:37:47.000 He opens for me.

00:37:50.000 You know, you want an opener that you can trust.

00:37:52.000 And I got an alert on my email the first time, like if it senses movement, it alerts you.

00:37:59.000 And I open it up and there's my dog.

00:38:02.000 Bella just in the thing. 0.98

00:38:04.000 I'm like, this is so cool.

00:38:05.000 I'm just like, I'm in Denver and I'm looking at my office.

00:38:09.000 And I thought, wouldn't that be a cool beginning of a horror movie?

00:38:14.000 If you get an alert on your phone and back at home there's a guy just staring in the camera.

00:38:22.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:23.000 That's a good premise for a movie.

00:38:26.000 So then as I'm saying that to my opening act, who wasn't a ghost, I get another alert, and then this comes up.

00:38:37.000 Oh yeah, you can see it up there.

00:38:39.000 Okay.

00:38:39.000 Why do you have a picture of Chris D'Elia on your wall?

00:38:43.000 He's obsessed with Chris D'Elia.

00:38:45.000 We just found out.

00:38:45.000 Look at that, bro.

00:38:47.000 That's D'Elia.

00:38:49.000 Chris, keep away from Tom.

00:38:51.000 Something you might not know.

00:38:52.000 I love D'Elia, but that's George Carlin.

00:38:55.000 That's a man with a wrench.

00:38:57.000 Yeah, or a man in a trench coat with an Uzi.

00:39:00.000 This is 10 o'clock at night.

00:39:02.000 The only people home are my wife and my daughter.

00:39:05.000 This is on the second floor.

00:39:06.000 There is no shadow coming in the thing.

00:39:09.000 It's a ghost.

00:39:11.000 That's a legit ghost.

00:39:12.000 You don't think that's a person?

00:39:13.000 That's not a person.

00:39:14.000 For sure.

00:39:15.000 My wife is the only one in the house. 1.00

00:39:17.000 Hmm.

00:39:19.000 And you think that's a gun in his hand?

00:39:21.000 Could be a clipboard.

00:39:22.000 Maybe he's just a really annoying surveyor from the dead.

00:39:26.000 Just like a few moments of your time to fill out this report.

00:39:29.000 Did you have video of it?

00:39:30.000 Was it moving or something?

00:39:31.000 No, but I have a video of another thing in the same office.

00:39:35.000 So I could show you.

00:39:36.000 This is weird.

00:39:37.000 Yeah.

00:39:39.000 It looks way different in this picture when it's small than it does when it's large.

00:39:44.000 Which is scarier.

00:39:45.000 When it's large, it looks more like a person.

00:39:47.000 Can you make it even bigger, Jamie?

00:39:48.000 Can you make his image larger?

00:39:51.000 I have a ghost in my house, and then we hear things.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, see, it does seem...

00:39:56.000 It seems like the light is behind him, right?

00:40:00.000 Yeah.

00:40:01.000 Like the outside right edge of it is sort of highlighted, like there's a light behind him.

00:40:06.000 Mm-hmm.

00:40:07.000 Doesn't look like a gun, though.

00:40:08.000 It is weird.

00:40:10.000 I mean, it could be a gun.

00:40:11.000 And then I got this video.

00:40:13.000 Could be a Sawzall.

00:40:15.000 Coming for bread.

00:40:16.000 Over here, ready to sauce some bread.

00:40:18.000 He's got a big serrated, big bread knife.

00:40:21.000 Electric serrated chef's knife.

00:40:24.000 Chop up some bread, bro.

00:40:28.000 So, have you ever had an experience that you could say you think is probably a ghost to cause that?

00:40:35.000 Everybody in the house has had a little something.

00:40:38.000 Is your house old?

00:40:39.000 It's not old, but like poltergeist.

00:40:42.000 Right, it's over an Indian burial ground.

00:40:44.000 You never know.

00:40:45.000 Dun, dun, dun.

00:40:46.000 You never know.

00:40:47.000 Look at this video in the same office from The Nest.

00:40:51.000 You got a video?

00:40:52.000 Let me see what's going on.

00:40:56.000 What am I looking at here?

00:40:57.000 Did the thing move?

00:40:59.000 No.

00:40:59.000 Can you press play again?

00:41:00.000 Okay.

00:41:05.000 Same camera.

00:41:07.000 What's that?

00:41:08.000 It's a bug, bro.

00:41:09.000 It's a bug?

00:41:10.000 100%.

00:41:10.000 That's a bug.

00:41:12.000 How do you know that's a bug?

00:41:13.000 Because it's a bug.

00:41:14.000 It's moving in front of the camera.

00:41:16.000 It flies around.

00:41:17.000 It's doing loop-de-loops.

00:41:17.000 Dude, that's a bug.

00:41:18.000 It's probably a moth.

00:41:20.000 Oh my god, you're a little fruitcake. 1.00

00:41:22.000 You're a crazy person.

00:41:24.000 That's not a bug.

00:41:25.000 You're a crazy person.

00:41:26.000 Look how it's sailing.

00:41:28.000 Is that what they call a...

00:41:29.000 Is a fruitcake...

00:41:30.000 Fruitcake is not...

00:41:31.000 That's a gay person.

00:41:32.000 That's a gay person.

00:41:33.000 But you can call someone a fruitcake if they're nuts, too, right?

00:41:36.000 Isn't it?

00:41:36.000 Yeah, nuttier than a fruitcake.

00:41:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:39.000 Look how that...

00:41:40.000 Look how that goes.

00:41:41.000 That's no bug.

00:41:42.000 Look at that.

00:41:43.000 That is 100% a bug.

00:41:44.000 You're out of your mind.

00:41:45.000 That's a bug.

00:41:46.000 Do you want to see...

00:41:47.000 I would bet everything.

00:41:48.000 Air drop it to me real quick.

00:41:49.000 Alright, I'll air drop it to you.

00:41:50.000 I would be all in that that's a bug.

00:41:53.000 Alright.

00:41:54.000 That's not a ghost.

00:41:55.000 It's Tinkerbell.

00:41:57.000 That's what it is.

00:41:58.000 Your house is invaded by fairies. 1.00

00:42:04.000 But that ghost...

00:42:06.000 I believe in ghosts.

00:42:09.000 Really?

00:42:10.000 And yeah, I do.

00:42:11.000 And then my wife...

00:42:12.000 Yeah, we've all had little things go on in the house.

00:42:14.000 Like what kind of little things?

00:42:15.000 My wife thought someone was standing right behind her.

00:42:17.000 She's doing the lawn.

00:42:18.000 She thought it was my daughter and turned in.

00:42:20.000 Nope.

00:42:20.000 Oh, that's a bug.

00:42:22.000 It's a fucking bug, right?

00:42:23.000 Thank you, Jamie.

00:42:24.000 Let's watch this.

00:42:25.000 Let's watch this so everyone at home can laugh at how fucking crazy Tom Papa is.

00:42:30.000 Here we go.

00:42:30.000 Well, if you first...

00:42:31.000 Let's watch the bug.

00:42:33.000 Oh look, a fucking bug.

00:42:35.000 A flat paper, piece of paper.

00:42:37.000 All bugs look like a fortune cookie.

00:42:40.000 Dude, it's a bug.

00:42:41.000 Listen to me.

00:42:42.000 There's a thing that I got sucked into.

00:42:45.000 Stop it! 0.99

00:42:45.000 Any bug! 0.99

00:42:46.000 That's a bug.

00:42:47.000 That's a video artifact.

00:42:48.000 It's because it's moving very fast in front of the screen.

00:42:50.000 There's a precedent to this.

00:42:52.000 You have a low-resolution camera that's in front of your desk, right?

00:42:55.000 This is a security camera, low-resolution.

00:42:57.000 It doesn't take a lot of frames per second.

00:42:59.000 The reason why it's so elongated is because it's passing by this camera, and the thing is taking multiple exposures while it moves through.

00:43:07.000 There's a thing called...

00:43:08.000 Is that George Carlin behind your desk?

00:43:10.000 Is that what it is?

00:43:11.000 Yeah, that's the Dahlia.

00:43:12.000 That's the Chris Dahlia.

00:43:13.000 It moved to the other side now.

00:43:14.000 It's George Carlin?

00:43:15.000 Is that who it actually is?

00:43:16.000 That's George Carlin.

00:43:17.000 That's pretty cool.

00:43:18.000 You got that above your desk?

00:43:19.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 There's a thing called Roswell Rods. 0.92

00:43:24.000 See how it looks all long like that?

00:43:25.000 Uh-huh.

00:43:26.000 And Roswell Rods, there was this guy that me and Eddie Bravo back in the smoke too much weed every day days... 0.99

00:43:36.000 We were convinced that there were these things that were moving too fast for the human eye to see.

00:43:43.000 And there there's gelatinous jellyfish-like creatures that are shaped like a tube.

00:43:48.000 Where'd you get this idea?

00:43:50.000 See how they look?

00:43:50.000 See those things?

00:43:51.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:52.000 Where'd you get the idea?

00:43:53.000 You'd seen it?

00:43:54.000 Well, I'd seen a video.

00:43:55.000 See that one, that black and white one where it showed right above your cursor, Jamie?

00:43:59.000 To the right?

00:43:59.000 Right there.

00:44:00.000 Click on that one.

00:44:00.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 That sort of iconic image of the Roswell Rod had me convinced, like, oh my god, there's these things in the sky.

00:44:07.000 And the only way you could capture them was with video cameras.

00:44:10.000 So they'd set these video cameras up, and they would get these things on video, and this guy made this documentary.

00:44:16.000 I think a couple of documentaries.

00:44:18.000 I think if you go to roswellrods.com, it's got a whole website there.

00:44:21.000 It is nothing but a video artifact.

00:44:25.000 There's a show called, one of those monster shows, one of those history channel shows or discovery channel shows, and they solved the mystery.

00:44:35.000 They set up two cameras in front of this fireplace, or in front of this campfire.

00:44:42.000 One of them, was it a campfire?

00:44:44.000 No.

00:44:45.000 I think it was actually a lantern, whatever it was.

00:44:47.000 They set up these two cameras.

00:44:48.000 One of them was standard resolution, and the other one was HD. So one of them captured multiple frames per second, like many, many, many frames per second, very high resolution.

00:44:58.000 And in that one, you clearly see bugs.

00:45:02.000 Clearly.

00:45:02.000 You see a bug.

00:45:03.000 You see a bug.

00:45:04.000 A very easily defined bug.

00:45:05.000 And the other one that's low resolution and doesn't capture as many frames per second, all those images are stretched out and it looks like tubes.

00:45:14.000 So in the exact same place, at the exact same time, with two cameras right next to each other, you get two very different images.

00:45:22.000 One of them is all stretched out from the low resolution camera like your security camera.

00:45:28.000 The other one is high resolution.

00:45:30.000 You can see it's clearly a bug.

00:45:31.000 I guarantee you, one million percent, that is a fucking bug.

00:45:34.000 Alright, I'll buy that one.

00:45:36.000 See if you can find that.

00:45:37.000 I'm convinced.

00:45:37.000 But, that other one.

00:45:39.000 You're a ghost lover, bro.

00:45:42.000 I am a ghost lover.

00:45:43.000 I love all of it.

00:45:44.000 I love being in a spooky old house, a nice old church, theaters.

00:45:49.000 The Comedy Store Belly Room scares me sometimes.

00:45:51.000 Yeah.

00:45:51.000 I've taken people up there.

00:45:52.000 I go, just stand here and tell me if you don't feel weird.

00:45:55.000 In the belly room.

00:45:56.000 There's something about the belly room. 0.59

00:45:57.000 When you go above those stairs, it's just like there's something about that room, especially when there's no show going on.

00:46:01.000 It just feels like your body's telling you, get the fuck out of here.

00:46:05.000 Right?

00:46:05.000 Let's get out of here.

00:46:06.000 So what is that?

00:46:07.000 You're a bitch. 1.00

00:46:09.000 You're in the stairs, not me.

00:46:10.000 I'm a bitch! 0.92

00:46:11.000 Me, I'm a bitch.

00:46:12.000 I'm talking to myself.

00:46:13.000 The back one, off the main room, the dressing area, whenever you're back there by yourself, that's a weird feeling.

00:46:19.000 That's a sketchy spot.

00:46:19.000 Yeah, that's a really weird feeling.

00:46:21.000 Isn't that where Kinison said he saw like a, didn't he see like a quarter move in the air or something?

00:46:26.000 He ate a pound of cocaine that night.

00:46:30.000 That guy snorted so much coke, who the fuck knows what he saw?

00:46:33.000 Yeah, he's not a good scientist.

00:46:37.000 Well, Carla Bow, who was Guinness and sidekick, had a great story about getting kicked out of the comedy store. 1.00

00:46:43.000 And he told it on stage one night that he got kicked out, not of the comedy store, excuse me, kicked out of his home.

00:46:49.000 Got in a fight with his wife.

00:46:50.000 You know, get out, fuck you.

00:46:52.000 I'm going to the goddamn comedy store.

00:46:53.000 Yeah.

00:46:54.000 So he went to the comedy store, because I think he was working security at the store, so he had keys.

00:46:58.000 Yeah.

00:46:58.000 So he said, I'm going to sleep on this stage.

00:47:00.000 I'm going to make it one day.

00:47:01.000 I want to be a big famous comedian.

00:47:02.000 I'm like, this is my fucking stage.

00:47:04.000 I want to sleep here.

00:47:05.000 So he slept there.

00:47:06.000 Main room?

00:47:06.000 In the dark.

00:47:06.000 Main room.

00:47:07.000 In the dark.

00:47:08.000 And he hears something in the background.

00:47:12.000 And he hears like a door.

00:47:13.000 Click, click.

00:47:14.000 And he like picks his head up.

00:47:16.000 Pitch black.

00:47:16.000 Can't see shit.

00:47:18.000 Hello?

00:47:19.000 Hello?

00:47:20.000 It's Carl!

00:47:21.000 Hey, I got kicked out of my house.

00:47:23.000 I'm sleeping here, if anybody's here wondering.

00:47:26.000 And then he hears chairs moving, clink, clink, clink, clink.

00:47:29.000 And he's like, what the fuck is going on?

00:47:31.000 Hello?

00:47:32.000 And then something grabs him by the ankle and pulls him off the stage, into the crowd, into where the seats are, crashing into the chairs.

00:47:39.000 And then, boom, the door shuts, and boom, another door shuts, and it's gone.

00:47:44.000 And he's laying on the ground.

00:47:46.000 In the middle of the main room with a bunch of knocked over chairs, something had grabbed his ankle and pulled him off the stage.

00:47:53.000 Or he did a lot of coke with Kinnison.

00:47:56.000 He was, right?

00:47:57.000 He was another one.

00:47:59.000 But it's a great story.

00:48:00.000 That is a great story.

00:48:01.000 He told it on stage one night at the store.

00:48:03.000 I was like, holy shit, this is amazing.

00:48:04.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:48:05.000 I've never asked the audience if they feel weird in there.

00:48:09.000 No, I don't think they do.

00:48:10.000 They're drunk.

00:48:10.000 They're drunk and they're watching a show.

00:48:12.000 They're having a good time.

00:48:13.000 Yeah, they're having fun.

00:48:14.000 They're there for fun.

00:48:14.000 The basement feels weird.

00:48:16.000 You had such a funny – I saw you like a week ago working stuff out on the main stage.

00:48:22.000 That whole thing about back of the hand.

00:48:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:24.000 Don't talk.

00:48:25.000 I won't.

00:48:25.000 Don't give up my material.

00:48:26.000 I won't.

00:48:26.000 I know.

00:48:27.000 Yeah, I'm working that.

00:48:27.000 But so that whole area was so funny.

00:48:31.000 Oh, thank you.

00:48:31.000 Thank you.

00:48:33.000 It's the most rewarding feeling ever when you have a chunk and it just becomes something over time.

00:48:41.000 It's like a miracle.

00:48:42.000 It's like a plant.

00:48:43.000 I know.

00:48:44.000 In the beginning it's like a couple of leaves and a stick and it's like, I hope this fucking becomes a tree.

00:48:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:51.000 Now it's like a tree.

00:48:52.000 Now it's got branches and you can hang from it.

00:48:55.000 Yeah, and like branches it goes off in these different places.

00:48:59.000 So fun.

00:48:59.000 It was fun to watch.

00:49:01.000 I can't imagine not doing that.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:04.000 It's the most fun thing to do.

00:49:06.000 I know.

00:49:06.000 Well, you get addicted to it, too.

00:49:08.000 When you don't do it, you start feeling like a weirdo.

00:49:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:10.000 Once you've done it a bunch, that's it.

00:49:13.000 Yeah, you start getting weird.

00:49:15.000 You go on vacation for a week, and you're like, what do I do?

00:49:18.000 Do I go to dinners now?

00:49:20.000 Walk around Thailand.

00:49:21.000 Do you guys have comedy out here?

00:49:22.000 No comedy at all?

00:49:23.000 Yeah.

00:49:24.000 Weird.

00:49:25.000 You brought a bag to Jamie, too.

00:49:27.000 Oh yeah, I gave Jamie.

00:49:28.000 I know.

00:49:29.000 Jamie's gonna come back tomorrow with a little belly.

00:49:30.000 It's a beauty.

00:49:31.000 It is a beauty.

00:49:32.000 A little bread belly.

00:49:33.000 He doesn't have a toaster.

00:49:34.000 You don't have a...

00:49:35.000 What are you, a savage?

00:49:36.000 I just didn't get...

00:49:37.000 I threw my old one away.

00:49:38.000 I was planning on getting a new one.

00:49:39.000 I just never did.

00:49:40.000 He's a bachelor.

00:49:41.000 Well, good thing is you can get them anywhere.

00:49:42.000 I know.

00:49:42.000 It's not like they're hard to find.

00:49:44.000 I don't need a lot of toast either, so it's not a big deal.

00:49:47.000 Well, do they have them at Best Buy?

00:49:48.000 They have them everywhere.

00:49:50.000 Amazon will probably have it at your house before you get home.

00:49:52.000 Right?

00:49:53.000 They deliver.

00:49:54.000 They have their own trucks now.

00:49:55.000 I know.

00:49:56.000 They've made me so snotty.

00:49:57.000 I'm like, it won't be here today?

00:49:59.000 You know what's interesting?

00:50:01.000 It's like, we have this attitude about business, right?

00:50:05.000 Yeah.

00:50:06.000 It's nice when someone works hard and creates a business and becomes successful.

00:50:11.000 But it's not when they become too successful.

00:50:14.000 It's not when they are the business.

00:50:16.000 And then we think, that's a monopoly, we've got to break that up.

00:50:19.000 I hear a lot of people saying that they should break up Amazon.

00:50:22.000 Yeah, they're too big.

00:50:23.000 It's too good.

00:50:24.000 So you want to wait five days for a book?

00:50:29.000 But the idea is you want other people to be able to open up bookstores.

00:50:34.000 Yep.

00:50:34.000 I don't know.

00:50:35.000 I know.

00:50:36.000 I'm not an economist.

00:50:37.000 Clearly, I don't even know.

00:50:39.000 I'm not a rocket scientist.

00:50:41.000 I'm clearly not an economics expert.

00:50:43.000 I know.

00:50:45.000 I see the arguments, but I also see a little bit of hater in those arguments.

00:50:49.000 Thanks for writing that quote for my book, by the way.

00:50:50.000 My pleasure, my friend.

00:50:51.000 That was really great.

00:50:52.000 When is your book out?

00:50:53.000 They can pre-order it now, but it comes out in May.

00:50:56.000 And you can pre-order it where?

00:50:58.000 Amazon.

00:50:59.000 That's crazy.

00:51:00.000 Yeah.

00:51:01.000 We're talking about Amazon and your book is coming out on Amazon.

00:51:04.000 That is nuts.

00:51:05.000 That's like a ghost.

00:51:06.000 It's like they know.

00:51:08.000 Hey, back to the comedy store thing.

00:51:09.000 Yeah.

00:51:10.000 Wasn't there a story that someone came in, a waitress came in and all the chairs were stacked in a pile?

00:51:15.000 Yeah, but I never talked to that waitress. 1.00

00:51:17.000 Did you?

00:51:17.000 No.

00:51:18.000 I don't even know if it was a waitress. 1.00

00:51:20.000 I've talked to people that have had weird experiences.

00:51:24.000 Yeah.

00:51:25.000 But you never know, man.

00:51:26.000 People are tired.

00:51:27.000 I know.

00:51:27.000 It's the end of the day.

00:51:28.000 There's a lot.

00:51:29.000 The power of suggestion.

00:51:31.000 But then there's also the reality that that used to be Bugsy Siegel's nightclub and that people were murdered there.

00:51:38.000 Yeah.

00:51:38.000 Bugsy Siegel was a legit gangster and they killed people in that club.

00:51:43.000 In that club.

00:51:44.000 Apparently they killed people in the basement.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 That's the word.

00:51:47.000 Have you ever been in the basement?

00:51:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:49.000 The podcast.

00:51:49.000 Podcast.

00:51:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:50.000 That doesn't feel creepy.

00:51:52.000 A little bit weird.

00:51:53.000 It feels a little weird.

00:51:54.000 Yeah.

00:51:55.000 It was weird when I did Argus' show down there.

00:51:56.000 I was like, he might be haunted.

00:52:01.000 Argus has been dead for years.

00:52:03.000 Argus has got some good fucking material, man.

00:52:05.000 Argus.

00:52:05.000 Argus is a hustler.

00:52:07.000 He's always writing.

00:52:08.000 It's no joke.

00:52:09.000 No joke at all.

00:52:09.000 It's no joke.

00:52:10.000 I saw him kill the other night in the main room on a Saturday night.

00:52:13.000 I was like, he is fucking good, man.

00:52:15.000 With jokes written like that day, that week.

00:52:17.000 Yes.

00:52:17.000 I know.

00:52:18.000 Like really current event jokes, but tight, good, solid jokes.

00:52:22.000 He's no joke.

00:52:24.000 I follow him a lot.

00:52:25.000 I end up going on after him a lot there.

00:52:28.000 And I'm just always amazed.

00:52:32.000 Not like just from the headlines, like a late night show, this kind of worked.

00:52:38.000 Isn't that funny?

00:52:39.000 They're good jokes.

00:52:41.000 And you know, he's a guy that never threw in the towel.

00:52:44.000 Yeah.

00:52:44.000 That's the thing about Argus.

00:52:46.000 I mean, he writes all the time for periodicals.

00:52:48.000 He writes jokes for newspapers and stuff like that.

00:52:51.000 And he runs, I think something crazy, like at least 10 miles a day.

00:52:55.000 What?

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:56.000 Really?

00:52:57.000 He runs in Hollywood.

00:52:58.000 Wow.

00:52:59.000 He's out there, and the streets are his gym.

00:53:01.000 Really?

00:53:02.000 Yeah, we were hanging around the store one night, and Argus pulled in with fucking sweatpants on, all sweaty and shit.

00:53:07.000 I go, what are you doing?

00:53:08.000 He goes, I'm just getting back from a run.

00:53:10.000 He was out there running.

00:53:12.000 I was like, whoa.

00:53:13.000 Yeah.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, he's the real deal.

00:53:16.000 I mean, he's been at the store forever.

00:53:19.000 From the 70s.

00:53:20.000 From the 70s.

00:53:20.000 I mean, he used to date Mitzi.

00:53:21.000 He did?

00:53:22.000 You didn't know that?

00:53:23.000 No.

00:53:24.000 Yeah.

00:53:25.000 He was Mitzi's boyfriend.

00:53:26.000 Wow.

00:53:27.000 There he is.

00:53:27.000 That's Argus Hamilton.

00:53:29.000 Wow.

00:53:29.000 Look at young Argus.

00:53:31.000 Your son.

00:53:31.000 Wow.

00:53:36.000 That's Argus Papa.

00:53:37.000 Argus Papa. 0.51

00:53:39.000 In a time machine.

00:53:40.000 Yeah, I mean, he's been swinging at the store forever.

00:53:43.000 Look at him there.

00:53:44.000 On the Tonight Show, 1981. I was in 8th grade.

00:53:47.000 Oh my god, I was in 9th grade.

00:53:50.000 That's crazy.

00:53:50.000 I was in high school.

00:53:51.000 That was my first year of high school.

00:53:52.000 He was already on the fucking Tonight Show.

00:53:54.000 I probably saw him on the Tonight Show.

00:53:57.000 You know, that was one of the things that inspired me to do stand-up, is watching Richard Jenny on the Tonight Show.

00:54:01.000 Oh, Jenny.

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:04.000 Watching comics do stand-up on The Tonight Show was one of my favorite things.

00:54:08.000 When a stand-up would come on, I had a TV in my bedroom, like a 12-inch TV, and we had rabbit ears.

00:54:16.000 I'd get whatever was on regular network.

00:54:20.000 People don't even know what that is anymore.

00:54:21.000 It's so crazy.

00:54:22.000 Folks, there's a signal that's in the sky, and you can pick up the TV. If you put tinfoil on the end of it, you'll get an even better picture.

00:54:30.000 It's even better reception.

00:54:31.000 You had to fuck with the antenna, remember?

00:54:32.000 Like, you could stand there.

00:54:34.000 I would stand there sometimes and hold it in a certain way.

00:54:36.000 And you know when it was really great?

00:54:38.000 When it snowed.

00:54:39.000 Right.

00:54:39.000 When it snowed out, you got great service.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, the ionization or something.

00:54:43.000 It happens with cell phones, too, you know?

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:46.000 When it snows out, you get better cell phone reception.

00:54:48.000 Yeah.

00:54:48.000 There's something going on with it.

00:54:50.000 I still use one from time to time because in LA, depending on where you are, there are a lot of free 4K HD stations that are going over just Through the air.

00:55:16.000 So the helicopter would fuck with the air and it would mess up the signal?

00:55:22.000 It's all waves, right?

00:55:24.000 Wow.

00:55:25.000 How weird, man.

00:55:27.000 I remember we had this tiny little TV room at my grandparents' house and the men would sit in there on this tiny little couch and I'd have to hold the antenna.

00:55:38.000 So they could watch the game.

00:55:40.000 Well, I used to have a wrench to change the channel because the thing broke off.

00:55:45.000 Remember there was a little piece of plastic?

00:55:46.000 You would have to click, click, click to change the channels.

00:55:49.000 And the thing broke off.

00:55:50.000 So I'd get in there with a wrench and have to pop, pop until you change the channel.

00:55:54.000 We used to keep a wrench on top of the TV. Remember finding the UHF channels?

00:55:59.000 Yes.

00:56:00.000 Like, this is crazy.

00:56:01.000 Benny Hill.

00:56:02.000 Yeah, Benny Hill, Uncle Floyd.

00:56:05.000 Oh my god, just crazy people.

00:56:06.000 Uncle Floyd was the guy in New Jersey.

00:56:09.000 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 Most people don't know who he is.

00:56:10.000 I worked with him.

00:56:11.000 You did?

00:56:12.000 I did stand-up with him.

00:56:13.000 He's still out there, I think, now.

00:56:15.000 Is he really?

00:56:15.000 Yeah, my cousins, I think, saw him in some place in Wayne, New Jersey or something.

00:56:20.000 Dude, I did a Bob Gonzo gig with Uncle Floyd on the shore in Jersey.

00:56:27.000 Me and...

00:56:28.000 He was the best.

00:56:29.000 Wow, there he is.

00:56:30.000 Look at him.

00:56:30.000 Very nice guy.

00:56:32.000 Bowtie, plaid jacket.

00:56:33.000 Me and Otto and George.

00:56:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:36.000 That makes perfect sense.

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:38.000 Look at him.

00:56:38.000 He's a handsome man.

00:56:39.000 I fucking bombed.

00:56:41.000 You did?

00:56:41.000 Went on after him.

00:56:43.000 Ate shit.

00:56:43.000 After Uncle Floyd?

00:56:44.000 Yeah.

00:56:44.000 They didn't want to see me at all.

00:56:46.000 Would he do songs?

00:56:48.000 Or would he just do stand-up?

00:56:49.000 I don't remember.

00:56:51.000 I don't remember.

00:56:51.000 I believe he brought puppets.

00:56:53.000 And he had a show on UHF that just ran forever.

00:56:58.000 Forever in New Jersey.

00:56:59.000 The Uncle Floyd show, Monday through Friday, 6.30 p.m., And he just kept going.

00:57:05.000 Cable Television Network of New Jersey.

00:57:07.000 It's like Public Access.

00:57:08.000 Look at him.

00:57:09.000 Wow.

00:57:09.000 Yeah, it was like Public Access.

00:57:11.000 Yeah.

00:57:11.000 Do you remember Public Access?

00:57:13.000 You used to be able to do your own show.

00:57:15.000 You could go down to the Public Access station.

00:57:18.000 Yep.

00:57:18.000 I did it.

00:57:19.000 There was a guy named Larry Rapucci.

00:57:23.000 Me and I think Todd Parker were the ones.

00:57:27.000 We did, like when we were both, all three of us were open micers.

00:57:31.000 We did a show on cable access TV in Boston.

00:57:35.000 It was your own show?

00:57:36.000 Well, we just did a show.

00:57:38.000 I think we did one episode and I was wearing a dress.

00:57:42.000 I forget.

00:57:43.000 It was like a game show, like a dating show type of deal.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:57:47.000 We created it ourselves.

00:57:48.000 I'm sure it was terrible.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, but you were doing it.

00:57:50.000 This was so great.

00:57:52.000 Yeah, and then one of my friends said, did I see you on TV wearing a dress?

00:57:55.000 I was like, probably.

00:57:57.000 Probably.

00:57:58.000 That's so great.

00:57:59.000 All these maniacs.

00:58:00.000 That's the only people that would do it.

00:58:01.000 Uncle Floyd, right?

00:58:02.000 And there was the porn one in New York.

00:58:04.000 There was a porn one?

00:58:06.000 Cable access?

00:58:06.000 Yeah, kind of porny.

00:58:08.000 She was famous.

00:58:09.000 She was like legendary in New York. 0.99

00:58:11.000 Oh, I know who you're talking about.

00:58:12.000 Right?

00:58:13.000 Well, Howard Stern had a cable access show, didn't he?

00:58:16.000 No, he had close.

00:58:17.000 He had WOR. That's right.

00:58:20.000 Which is like Channel 9 in New York in the day.

00:58:22.000 That's right.

00:58:22.000 He had a weird gig.

00:58:24.000 Weird like small show.

00:58:25.000 Back when Howard Stern was...

00:58:27.000 He was still huge.

00:58:29.000 But he wasn't huge like he became.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, but he was popular.

00:58:33.000 He was big at the time.

00:58:35.000 He was big, but...

00:58:37.000 I'm trying to compare to somebody.

00:58:39.000 I think it was before Private Parts.

00:58:40.000 It was like during Fartman, during that whole era.

00:58:42.000 It was before then even, I think.

00:58:43.000 Jackie the Jokeman.

00:58:45.000 This is the girl, the porn girl?

00:58:46.000 Yeah, that's her. 0.60

00:58:47.000 Robin Bird.

00:58:47.000 Robin Bird, of course, of course.

00:58:49.000 That's right.

00:58:50.000 Yeah, and she would do, it wasn't like, you know, you couldn't go complete porn, but look, she'd have, yeah, she would.

00:58:55.000 Well, that's why I said I'm not making fun of it.

00:58:56.000 Oh, that's an SNL sketch making fun of Robin Bird.

00:58:59.000 But she would have a lot of drag queens on and just talk about sex. 1.00

00:59:02.000 Wholesomely pornographic Robin Bird sued Time Warner.

00:59:05.000 And she had a cool voice and she was just a mainstay.

00:59:09.000 Well, do you remember when there was a talk radio channel in LA? Like Tom Likas was on it and there was two girls that would talk about sex all the time. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Oh yeah.

00:59:23.000 Yeah, I forget.

00:59:25.000 One of them, I think, was in Playboy.

00:59:27.000 Right.

00:59:28.000 And they had Tim Conway Jr., Conway and Steckler.

00:59:33.000 Uh-huh.

00:59:34.000 Remember?

00:59:34.000 I don't remember this, no.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, man.

00:59:36.000 There was a channel, an all-talk radio channel.

00:59:39.000 And this was in the 90s, I remember, because I would listen to it when I was on the way to news radio.

00:59:45.000 I would listen to the radio when I was on the way to do the set.

00:59:48.000 Right.

00:59:48.000 To the set.

00:59:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:49.000 Like in the morning?

00:59:50.000 Yeah.

00:59:51.000 And in the afternoon when I was coming home.

00:59:53.000 Oh, that's where you guys were?

00:59:54.000 Sunset and Gower?

00:59:55.000 Sunset and Gower, yeah.

00:59:56.000 I think we were at CBS Radford originally, maybe for a little bit.

01:00:03.000 I did Hardball at CBS Radford, and then Sunset and Gower.

01:00:06.000 I remember looking at all those other shows, like real shows, like shows on Friends.

01:00:13.000 Everybody has envy.

01:00:14.000 It's funny.

01:00:14.000 Always.

01:00:15.000 You're on a network show, thinking, oh, if only I could be over there.

01:00:19.000 And to this day, it's one of my fondest memories.

01:00:21.000 But there was a time, I remember, we were all sitting around the set, and we...

01:00:27.000 We kept getting moved.

01:00:28.000 We got moved no less than nine times over the course of five years.

01:00:32.000 Nine times?

01:00:33.000 Yeah, we just kept getting moved.

01:00:34.000 See, the thing is with shows back then in particular, it all is about who owns the show.

01:00:41.000 If NBC owns the show, then you're golden.

01:00:45.000 They're going to put you in the great spot and hook you up.

01:00:49.000 On their network.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, they're going to put you right after Friends or right after Seinfeld.

01:00:53.000 That's the sweet thing.

01:00:54.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 That was a Thursday night.

01:00:56.000 It was the sweet spot, baby.

01:00:57.000 They used to call it the hammock spot, right?

01:00:59.000 Between Friends and Seinfeld.

01:01:01.000 Well, yeah.

01:01:02.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Some people would call it that.

01:01:04.000 And it was...

01:01:05.000 We were all sitting around the set.

01:01:08.000 And one of the guys from the...

01:01:11.000 You know, someone brought in the ratings.

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 I'm like, fuck.

01:01:14.000 And then everyone was complaining and this and that.

01:01:16.000 And everyone was so down.

01:01:18.000 And I was like, hey, last time I checked, we're on fucking TV. Yeah.

01:01:22.000 I know we're like number 80th.

01:01:27.000 My friend Lou Morton, he was one of the writers who would come in every day with a shirt, with Sharpie, the number that we were on.

01:01:34.000 And one day he came in and said 88. I was like, really?

01:01:37.000 He's like, really?

01:01:38.000 Fuck!

01:01:39.000 News radio?

01:01:40.000 It was 88?

01:01:41.000 Oh my god, we didn't do well until we got cancelled.

01:01:44.000 News Radio did great in reruns.

01:01:47.000 That's when people got a chance to see how funny it was.

01:01:49.000 That's so weird.

01:01:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:51.000 That's so weird.

01:01:52.000 It's weird how many times that happens, too.

01:01:54.000 Like Arrested Development.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, well, a lot of those shows, it's all about where it is.

01:01:59.000 Yeah, I know.

01:02:00.000 I know.

01:02:00.000 It's all about where they put it.

01:02:02.000 Yeah.

01:02:03.000 So wait, so it was on that All Talk Radio, was that the guy who would, what was his name, who would, he would do all the voices, he would do all the characters?

01:02:13.000 No, he was on it too, though.

01:02:15.000 Phil Hendry.

01:02:16.000 Phil Hendry.

01:02:16.000 Phil Hendry would, he would, and he still does it.

01:02:21.000 If you've never heard Phil Hendry, he's a goddamn genius.

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:23.000 Phil Hendry would answer the phone and then he would be the caller.

01:02:27.000 So he would call up with these ridiculous...

01:02:31.000 He would say ridiculous shit.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 Where you're like, how can this guy be real?

01:02:35.000 And people would get so angry.

01:02:37.000 And then other people would call in.

01:02:38.000 Like, that man is so ignorant.

01:02:40.000 And then he would say, no man, you're ignorant.

01:02:43.000 I am standing here in front of the Journal of American Medicine.

01:02:47.000 And he would...

01:02:48.000 Just go on these, and most people were in on the gag. 0.96

01:02:51.000 Yeah, right.

01:02:52.000 I wouldn't even say most people, maybe like 60% of the people were in on the gag.

01:02:55.000 It was great.

01:02:56.000 It's so good.

01:02:56.000 I remember being parked in front of my house, like listening to it, like, what the fuck, man?

01:03:01.000 What's he doing?

01:03:02.000 I know.

01:03:03.000 It was amazing.

01:03:05.000 I think he's still around.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, I think he is.

01:03:07.000 I think you're right.

01:03:08.000 What does he do these days?

01:03:09.000 Does he have a radio show?

01:03:11.000 He's probably working with Uncle Floyd.

01:03:13.000 The Phil Henry Show.

01:03:14.000 The Phil Henry Show.

01:03:15.000 Is it on the radio?

01:03:17.000 The YouTubes.

01:03:19.000 Official HQ. Today's show.

01:03:22.000 It's about iTunes.

01:03:24.000 SoundCloud.

01:03:25.000 When I hear about...

01:03:26.000 Okay, that's good.

01:03:26.000 When I hear people that are still doing radio radio, I'm like, oof.

01:03:32.000 Do you have any other options?

01:03:33.000 Is there other ways?

01:03:34.000 Can you get out?

01:03:35.000 I'm on SiriusXM right now.

01:03:36.000 That's different.

01:03:37.000 That's different.

01:03:37.000 Oh, you mean like terrestrial?

01:03:39.000 You mean terrestrial.

01:03:39.000 Yeah, like radio.

01:03:40.000 Like over the air radio.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, I know.

01:03:43.000 But you know what?

01:03:44.000 There is something.

01:03:45.000 I was in a couple towns.

01:03:48.000 Columbus, Ohio, Denver even, where they have a strong terrestrial radio station that's popular.

01:03:57.000 Austin does.

01:03:58.000 Austin still does.

01:03:59.000 Dudley and Bob.

01:03:59.000 It's such a cool thing, and we've kind of lost something.

01:04:02.000 Because they're talking about the show that's coming to our town.

01:04:05.000 It creates a sense of community that you don't have in other things.

01:04:08.000 Right, and it's live.

01:04:09.000 Yeah.

01:04:10.000 It's happening over the air.

01:04:11.000 Tool's coming in this weekend.

01:04:13.000 We'll be there.

01:04:14.000 You'll be there.

01:04:15.000 But it's also censored.

01:04:16.000 That's a real issue.

01:04:17.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:04:18.000 It's not perfect.

01:04:19.000 I mean, look, one thing that we all owe Howard Stern a huge debt of gratitude is that he was sued by the FCC. Yeah.

01:04:29.000 Like legit?

01:04:31.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 He was sued.

01:04:33.000 He lost a shitload of money.

01:04:35.000 The media company...

01:04:36.000 What was the company that...

01:04:38.000 We're good to go.

01:04:40.000 We're good to go.

01:04:56.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 Where, like, you would hear about it, and you're like, what?

01:04:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:59.000 What?

01:04:59.000 And you would hear about the things that he got fined.

01:05:02.000 See if you can find the things that Howard Stern got.

01:05:04.000 The top five things he got fined for.

01:05:05.000 Yeah, let's pull that up.

01:05:06.000 Oh, really?

01:05:07.000 Because listen, man, whatever anybody wants to say about Howard Stern, that motherfucker opened the door for all of us.

01:05:13.000 All of us.

01:05:14.000 For me, 100%.

01:05:16.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.000 Okay, let me see.

01:05:18.000 It's like the first thing is the fart man stunt.

01:05:20.000 Well, he got fined for that on television?

01:05:22.000 That was on television.

01:05:23.000 Because he showed his ass?

01:05:26.000 Okay, it's not really a surprise that he exposed his butt cheeks in a $10,000 gold spandex superhero costume, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:33.000 Where does it say he got fined?

01:05:35.000 Where does it say he got fined for that?

01:05:38.000 I guess it's just his, I don't, it said his, oh, most outrageous offenses, I guess.

01:05:42.000 Oh, outrageous offenses.

01:05:43.000 Sorry, hold on.

01:05:44.000 He was, he was.

01:05:45.000 Aunt Jemima joke, I saw.

01:05:47.000 Yeah, well, there was a lot of stuff that he said, you know, that you would look at it today, like in terms of like a podcast, you'd say, oh, that's not even outrageous.

01:05:55.000 So here's the things that he got fined for.

01:05:57.000 Let's make that, look at the fucking numbers, man.

01:05:59.000 August 12th, 1993, $500,000.

01:06:04.000 Infinity Broadcast Network got fined.

01:06:06.000 Oh, right, Infinity.

01:06:07.000 $600,000 and $500,000.

01:06:10.000 $600,000 December 18, 1992, and then August 12, 1993, $500,000.

01:06:17.000 So within a year, six months' time, even.

01:06:21.000 Look, 90 to 2004. Look at that.

01:06:24.000 In one year's time, six months' time, they get fired $1,100,000.

01:06:30.000 Jeez Louise.

01:06:30.000 Fucking insane, man.

01:06:32.000 Wow.

01:06:32.000 I wonder what the offenses were.

01:06:35.000 It's fucking crazy.

01:06:36.000 Mostly language?

01:06:37.000 I'm sure it's language or subject matter or potty humor, you know.

01:06:41.000 Fuck, man.

01:06:43.000 Crazy.

01:06:44.000 I mean, we think about this today in terms of, like, what we get away with on podcasts.

01:06:49.000 Oh, God.

01:06:49.000 Oh, my God.

01:06:50.000 Total freedom.

01:06:51.000 Total freedom.

01:06:52.000 And I think a lot of that was opened, that door was opened because of Howard Stern.

01:06:56.000 What does it say, that?

01:06:57.000 It says, playing the piano with his penis... 0.96

01:07:02.000 She recorded that Chris...

01:07:04.000 Okay, let me read this.

01:07:08.000 WJK... JFK FM in Washington, D.C. became the third Infinity Station to air the Howard Stern Show in 1988. Two months later, Ann Stalmel of New Jersey mistakenly tuned her radio...

01:07:23.000 To hear Stern talk about having naked women in for an upcoming show, she recorded the Christmas party broadcast on December 16th that featured a man playing the piano with his penis, 0.58

01:07:39.000 a choir singing about gay sex to the tune of White Christmas and women being hypnotized to achieve orgasm. 0.93

01:07:46.000 Under the referral of her senator, this fucking crazy lady called a senator and congressman, Stummel filed a complaint with transcripts and a tape of the program. 1.00

01:07:58.000 The FCC reviewed the evidence and asked Infinity in October 1989 for an explanation as the material, in quotes, may have violated federal law by including indecent programming during daytime hours.

01:08:12.000 Isn't that funny?

01:08:12.000 Like, at nighttime, it's okay to get naughty.

01:08:14.000 Yeah.

01:08:15.000 Yeah.

01:08:15.000 Karmazin argued that the term patently offensive in its new ruling was vague, and the sexual references cited were no more offensive than daytime television shows, Geraldo, and Donahue, which use similar terms without repercussions.

01:08:32.000 His response was later rejected, da-da-da-da-da, FCC. Yeah, so they started fining him back then in 88. I would imagine that for terrestrial radio, a lot of that still holds, right?

01:08:44.000 I bet you could get away with a lot more now.

01:08:47.000 And because of him, because of Howard Stern, because of all the...

01:08:51.000 I mean, look, and he was under the gun, man.

01:08:53.000 He stuck to his guns.

01:08:56.000 He kept doing the same program.

01:08:58.000 I mean, it's a vastly different program now, and people criticize him because of that, but look, he's a different person.

01:09:05.000 Yeah.

01:09:05.000 You shouldn't have to do that old show.

01:09:07.000 No.

01:09:07.000 He should do whatever he wants.

01:09:09.000 Right.

01:09:09.000 That's who he is now.

01:09:10.000 Right, exactly.

01:09:11.000 You know?

01:09:11.000 But I work for NPR. I do this live from here, which was Prairie Home Companion.

01:09:17.000 And I do this thing on that show.

01:09:19.000 And they have comedians on once in a while.

01:09:23.000 And they have musicians.

01:09:25.000 And they are really strict.

01:09:28.000 When a comic is about to go out there...

01:09:31.000 He's told 20 times what he can and can't say.

01:09:34.000 And it's like really, really, really strict.

01:09:37.000 And if you violate it, if you say the wrong thing, they get a fine for every station that it airs on throughout the network.

01:09:44.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:09:45.000 Yeah.

01:09:45.000 So if they have 100 stations, there's 100 fines.

01:09:47.000 Yes, exactly.

01:09:49.000 It's still really serious.

01:09:52.000 And that's...

01:09:52.000 Censorship.

01:09:53.000 6 o'clock in the evening in the East Coast.

01:09:57.000 It's so ridiculous.

01:09:58.000 It's...

01:09:59.000 You know, look...

01:10:01.000 I get it if you have a program and it's a rated PG program and this is the way you want it because it's for kids and it's for families and stuff like that.

01:10:08.000 But for the government to step in, it's ridiculous.

01:10:11.000 It really is ridiculous.

01:10:12.000 And the fact that this was...

01:10:15.000 You know, people had to endure this for so long.

01:10:18.000 I mean, before Howard Stern, people have to realize there was no one.

01:10:22.000 There was no one like that.

01:10:24.000 There was Don Imus, who was kind of controversial in some ways.

01:10:29.000 Yeah, he was.

01:10:30.000 And then Stern, who is just a totally different animal.

01:10:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:35.000 He opened the door for podcasts, for sure.

01:10:37.000 Yeah.

01:10:38.000 All these outrageous people doing podcasts, he made the roadmap.

01:10:41.000 Right.

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 100%.

01:10:44.000 We'll show you.

01:10:45.000 You can come over to this side of the street and no one's going to mess with you.

01:10:48.000 Well, and when they opened up the door, like what you're on, Sirius Satellite Radio.

01:10:52.000 Sirius Satellite Radio is also responsible for podcasts because they showed that you could do things uncensored.

01:10:57.000 Right.

01:10:58.000 They were the first place.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 First real outlet.

01:11:02.000 Sirius XM. Yeah.

01:11:03.000 Both of them together.

01:11:05.000 XM and then they merged.

01:11:06.000 Right.

01:11:07.000 So if you're subscribing to it, that means that you're willing to participate.

01:11:10.000 You're paying for it.

01:11:11.000 It's not like public terrestrial radio where if you just get in your car and it pops on.

01:11:16.000 Right.

01:11:16.000 So if you were listening to Opie and Anthony, if you were listening to Howard Stern, you could hear wild shit.

01:11:22.000 Right.

01:11:22.000 And then podcasts sort of came out of that.

01:11:25.000 Right.

01:11:26.000 And this podcast is directly because of Opie and Anthony, 100%.

01:11:31.000 Oh, yeah?

01:11:31.000 Yeah.

01:11:31.000 Yeah, because they set it up the way their show was, and you've done it.

01:11:35.000 Yeah.

01:11:36.000 It's a hang.

01:11:37.000 Yeah.

01:11:37.000 You would go in there and everybody would hang out.

01:11:39.000 Right.

01:11:39.000 It was real loose.

01:11:40.000 Very loose.

01:11:40.000 Guys would come in, hey, Tom Pop is here.

01:11:42.000 What's up, Tom?

01:11:43.000 What are you doing?

01:11:43.000 I'm playing Caroline's and this and that, making bread.

01:11:46.000 Yeah.

01:11:46.000 And everybody would have a good time and just know there was no structure to it.

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 Whereas Stern had much more structure.

01:11:53.000 Yeah.

01:11:53.000 Yeah, a lot more bits, and we're going to go into this now, and that kind of thing.

01:11:56.000 And he was actually...

01:11:57.000 A classic radio.

01:11:58.000 Yeah, he worked the board and shit.

01:12:00.000 He was moving the dials and stuff.

01:12:04.000 Had writers.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, he had people working for him.

01:12:06.000 He was more structured.

01:12:08.000 Opie and Anthony was more of a hang.

01:12:10.000 Right, yeah.

01:12:11.000 And then Anthony started doing live from the compound.

01:12:14.000 He had this house in Long Island, and he was with a fucking machine gun posing in front of a green screen, singing karaoke.

01:12:21.000 Yeah.

01:12:22.000 And I remember thinking, God damn, I wish I did that in my house.

01:12:27.000 I want that set up.

01:12:29.000 Because he had a studio set up at his house.

01:12:31.000 I was like, fuck, I need one of those.

01:12:33.000 Because he could just, anytime he wanted, just go live and start talking about things.

01:12:37.000 And it would stream.

01:12:39.000 And the internet was not that good back then.

01:12:41.000 All this happened.

01:12:42.000 Just starting.

01:12:43.000 Yeah, I think he was doing it in 2006 or something like that.

01:12:45.000 While he was still on the show.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:47.000 And they were giving him a hard time about it.

01:12:49.000 Right.

01:12:49.000 They were telling him you can't do that.

01:12:50.000 And he was like, but it only gets more people to listen to the radio show.

01:12:54.000 Right.

01:12:55.000 It's not going to take anything away from the radio show.

01:12:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:58.000 Which I definitely agree with.

01:12:59.000 They got fired, right?

01:13:00.000 A bunch of times.

01:13:01.000 With that church thing?

01:13:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:04.000 With St. Patrick's Cathedral?

01:13:05.000 Yeah, Norton was just here.

01:13:06.000 Oh, he was?

01:13:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:07.000 That's great.

01:13:08.000 He's the last guest.

01:13:09.000 Oh, yeah?

01:13:10.000 I love him.

01:13:10.000 He's the best.

01:13:11.000 He's the best.

01:13:12.000 He's so quick.

01:13:12.000 He's such a maniac.

01:13:13.000 He's so funny.

01:13:14.000 He's hilarious.

01:13:15.000 Oh, God.

01:13:16.000 Yeah, they got fired, and then he realized how quickly everything can go away, because he was like, fuck, I was out of money.

01:13:21.000 And I think they were fired for like two years.

01:13:24.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 They couldn't be in the air in two years.

01:13:25.000 That's right.

01:13:26.000 And so then they went to Sirius.

01:13:29.000 Right.

01:13:29.000 And they got hired by Sirius.

01:13:30.000 And they had that thing where they would do both at the same time, right?

01:13:34.000 They started with Sirius, but they were back on Terrestrial.

01:13:36.000 Remember they would do the walk?

01:13:38.000 I did it with them.

01:13:38.000 Yeah, you'd do the walk.

01:13:39.000 You'd do the walk.

01:13:40.000 We would broadcast with wireless microphones walking through New York City.

01:13:45.000 Yeah.

01:13:46.000 Yeah, it was like a block and a half away.

01:13:48.000 So you'd get out, they would strap you up with these wireless mics, and then we were walking down the street talking...

01:13:54.000 It was on the air.

01:13:56.000 It was great.

01:13:56.000 I felt, I really felt fortunate to be a part of that.

01:14:00.000 Like, I felt like I was a part of history.

01:14:01.000 I know.

01:14:02.000 It felt like there was, it was like, it was, that's where the action was.

01:14:06.000 For comedians, too.

01:14:07.000 They made it such a home for comics.

01:14:09.000 A hundred percent.

01:14:10.000 Yeah.

01:14:10.000 And anybody, and you look forward to, like, there was never a time where I didn't want to do it.

01:14:15.000 You know?

01:14:15.000 Right.

01:14:16.000 I don't want to get up in the morning and do this.

01:14:17.000 It was like, fuck yeah.

01:14:19.000 Yeah, because you never knew who was going to be there.

01:14:21.000 Patrice would be in there, and Colin, and that was the best.

01:14:24.000 Even when my shows were sold out, I still made it in there.

01:14:26.000 Yeah, of course.

01:14:27.000 I was like, I'm going in there, man.

01:14:28.000 It was fun.

01:14:29.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 It felt like it was a clubhouse.

01:14:31.000 And you also could be yourself.

01:14:34.000 Yeah.

01:14:35.000 It's like, unabashedly be yourself.

01:14:38.000 Norton's in there talking about trannies. 1.00

01:14:41.000 You know, his experiences with Ladies of the Night and all this crazy shit, and Patrice was ragging on everybody, and Louie would be there, and Burr would be there.

01:14:50.000 There's us.

01:14:51.000 There's me and little Jimmy.

01:14:52.000 Yeah, that's great.

01:14:53.000 Back in the day.

01:14:54.000 Oh, there's Tom.

01:14:54.000 Look at Tom Segura!

01:14:55.000 That's right.

01:14:56.000 Look at Tom.

01:14:57.000 That's Fat Tom.

01:14:58.000 Fat Owl Tom.

01:14:59.000 Tom was heavy then, boy.

01:15:01.000 Woo! 0.99

01:15:01.000 And that was when we were... 0.99

01:15:03.000 2005, it looks like?

01:15:05.000 I said that you were talking about the Silva leg break, and Oh, okay.

01:15:08.000 So that was later than that.

01:15:10.000 Yeah, because that's not the XM studio.

01:15:13.000 Wasn't?

01:15:13.000 Isn't it?

01:15:14.000 I don't know.

01:15:15.000 Maybe it is.

01:15:15.000 It seems like it is.

01:15:16.000 It's Sirius.

01:15:17.000 Yeah, it has that thing.

01:15:18.000 The glass wall behind it is where Sirius was.

01:15:20.000 But that, I feel real fortunate to be a part of that.

01:15:25.000 It was cool.

01:15:26.000 It was a good time.

01:15:27.000 And Anthony, when he would...

01:15:29.000 Latch into something that was as funny as any of the comedians.

01:15:32.000 Oh, he was genius.

01:15:33.000 He still is.

01:15:34.000 He's still hilarious.

01:15:35.000 Yeah.

01:15:35.000 I haven't heard his new thing very often.

01:15:38.000 Well, it's all the subscription.

01:15:40.000 He's decided to go to a complete subscription model so that no one can ever fuck with him anymore and pull him off of things.

01:15:52.000 Yeah.

01:16:06.000 There's a real benefit in what he does, in that the only people that are going to that are people that want to see his show and hear his show.

01:16:16.000 So he can say the most outrageous shit, and he's never going to get fired.

01:16:20.000 Because if people subscribe or they unsubscribe, it's probably a wash.

01:16:25.000 I'm sure he gains subscribers.

01:16:27.000 Maybe he'll gain subscribers because we're talking about it.

01:16:30.000 But it was that interesting thing where it was the combination of those guys.

01:16:33.000 100%.

01:16:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:16:34.000 They, over the years, had that rhythm.

01:16:38.000 And Obi would lob it in, and then just to see it all break up at the end was really sad.

01:16:43.000 Fuck yeah, it's sad.

01:16:44.000 They should come back.

01:16:46.000 Yeah.

01:16:46.000 I mean, I don't think Anthony wants to.

01:16:48.000 I don't think he would ever want to again.

01:16:50.000 No, it got pretty cantankerous.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, they don't like each other anymore.

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:55.000 And it's too bad.

01:16:56.000 I mean, Anthony, on his show, they would shit on Opie.

01:16:59.000 Oh, they would.

01:16:59.000 Yeah, it's like it got bad.

01:17:01.000 Yeah, it got ugly.

01:17:02.000 Yeah, and then Opie got fired.

01:17:05.000 He was doing Opie and Jim?

01:17:07.000 Was he doing Opie Radio?

01:17:09.000 Opie Radio.

01:17:10.000 And then he got fired for filming someone in the bathroom.

01:17:13.000 Someone was taking a shit, and he filmed them.

01:17:15.000 Yep.

01:17:15.000 I don't know.

01:17:17.000 Radio pranks gone awry.

01:17:18.000 Yeah, you can't do that.

01:17:20.000 No, you can't.

01:17:22.000 It turns out you can't publicly shame people when they're shitting.

01:17:25.000 But if you came, like if I was taking a shit and you opened up the door and you go, hey, Joe, I'd be like, hey, you motherfucker, shut the door.

01:17:30.000 I would never think you're going to lose your job for that.

01:17:33.000 We would be laughing.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:35.000 So it's like, it comes from an innocent place.

01:17:37.000 Yeah.

01:17:38.000 It comes from a place that we would all do something like that.

01:17:40.000 Sophomoric.

01:17:41.000 Yeah.

01:17:41.000 But it all depends on who it is, right?

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:43.000 Like, if you had a guy working for you, and you were the boss, and he was shy, and you filmed him shitting, then it would be...

01:17:50.000 Totally.

01:17:50.000 Yeah, then it's like, hey, don't do that.

01:17:53.000 No, there's your inner circle of where you know it's going to be allowed.

01:17:56.000 But it was like me, and I opened up the door when Jimmy was taking a shit, and I filmed him, you know, he'd be screaming and laughing at me, and it would be fun.

01:18:02.000 Right.

01:18:02.000 It wouldn't, you know, we're equals.

01:18:04.000 Trans girls just spilling out of the stall. 0.94

01:18:09.000 Drop ceiling.

01:18:10.000 Yeah.

01:18:13.000 Oh, hey, Joe!

01:18:14.000 Yeah, he's...

01:18:14.000 Little lizard man in there.

01:18:16.000 But there was a thing that you could get on that show where it was just...

01:18:20.000 It was so wild and loose.

01:18:22.000 We had this...

01:18:23.000 Do you remember Stalker Patty?

01:18:25.000 Yes.

01:18:25.000 Stalker Patty, we...

01:18:27.000 I had these pot breath strips, right?

01:18:30.000 And if you took one of these breath strips, it would literally put you in another dimension.

01:18:34.000 They were so goddamn strong.

01:18:35.000 I gave Segura one on a plane, and when it landed, he goes, I almost asked to be taken off the plane.

01:18:42.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 I go, you serious?

01:18:43.000 He goes, yeah.

01:18:44.000 I was like, I can't do this.

01:18:46.000 Oh, no.

01:18:46.000 I go, come on, man.

01:18:47.000 Really?

01:18:48.000 I go, I took it, too.

01:18:49.000 He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:50.000 He goes, I wasn't ready for that.

01:18:51.000 I wasn't ready for that.

01:18:52.000 He goes, before the plane took off, it had already kicked in, and I was on the runway, and I was saying, I gotta get off this plane.

01:18:57.000 I gotta get off this plane.

01:18:58.000 I can't do this.

01:18:59.000 I gotta get off this plane.

01:18:59.000 The worst feeling in the world.

01:19:00.000 And we were flying to Florida.

01:19:02.000 Oh, the worst feeling.

01:19:05.000 So anyway, Stalker Patty was there and we gave her a regular Listerine breath strip and told her that it was a pot breath strip. 1.00

01:19:14.000 And so she started having these psychosomatic hallucinations.

01:19:19.000 She started believing she was hallucinating.

01:19:21.000 So Ari stood in front of her with his balls out of his pants. 0.97

01:19:25.000 He pulled his balls out of his pants and zipped up everything else, so it would just be a sack.

01:19:30.000 Just sack out.

01:19:31.000 And Ari was like, are you hallucinating?

01:19:33.000 Do you see anything?

01:19:34.000 And she's like, oh my god!

01:19:35.000 Oh my god!

01:19:36.000 He's like, what?

01:19:37.000 What's going on?

01:19:38.000 What?

01:19:38.000 What's happening?

01:19:39.000 And she started seeing things that weren't there, and it was just so ridiculous.

01:19:44.000 That's hilarious.

01:19:45.000 But again, you could...

01:19:46.000 No fine.

01:19:47.000 Bear stalker Patty.

01:19:49.000 And not getting fined.

01:19:50.000 That's it.

01:19:50.000 Stalker Patty trips out, yeah.

01:19:53.000 Look at you.

01:19:55.000 Look at you.

01:19:56.000 What year is that?

01:19:57.000 Well, I had hair.

01:19:58.000 You had hair?

01:19:59.000 So it was probably 2009, 8, 7, somewhere around there.

01:20:06.000 I think I shaved my head 2011 or 12. But he's, you know, or she, you know, was a regular on the show and she was like a legitimate crazy person.

01:20:16.000 Yeah.

01:20:16.000 And they would have her on.

01:20:17.000 Yeah.

01:20:18.000 You know, they would have all kinds of wacky people.

01:20:20.000 That's from the Stern model, too.

01:20:21.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 The Wack Pack and all that stuff, you know.

01:20:23.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:24.000 He opened up the door for all that stuff.

01:20:26.000 Right.

01:20:26.000 Yeah.

01:20:27.000 I mean, they always had these wacky radio characters and it kind of kept that ball rolling.

01:20:31.000 Yeah.

01:20:31.000 It's such a weird thing because they're like, you know, they're obviously there's a segment of the Audience is laughing at them, but they're so grateful to be part of the show.

01:20:40.000 It gives their life a little bit of a meaning.

01:20:45.000 The weird thing is, it's not that long ago, man.

01:20:47.000 We're talking about 15 years ago, the world was a completely different place.

01:20:52.000 I know.

01:20:52.000 Completely.

01:20:53.000 I know.

01:20:54.000 There was nothing like podcasts.

01:20:58.000 But what's amazing, we started the conversation talking about the public access stuff with Uncle Floyd.

01:21:03.000 There's always been that thing for funny, odd people to try and get out there and do their thing.

01:21:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:11.000 It's endless.

01:21:11.000 It never stops.

01:21:13.000 It's inspiring.

01:21:14.000 There's this force to just be silly and go out there and try and communicate with other silly people.

01:21:19.000 And all this media is changing, but that thing, everyone's still Uncle Floyd and Robin Byrd.

01:21:27.000 I was having a conversation with my manager today and she was telling me there's now 900,000 podcasts.

01:21:34.000 What?

01:21:35.000 There are 900,000 ranked podcasts out there that are regular podcasts that are being done.

01:21:42.000 There's only 300 million plus people in this country.

01:21:45.000 Right?

01:21:45.000 Right.

01:21:46.000 Whatever it is, $320 million?

01:21:47.000 Yeah.

01:21:47.000 So there's almost like one in three people have a podcast.

01:21:53.000 Oh my God.

01:21:54.000 Almost.

01:21:54.000 It's so crazy.

01:21:56.000 January brings flurry of releases, pushing podcast tally past $900,000.

01:22:01.000 How many of those am I responsible for inspiring?

01:22:03.000 I need to know, because I tell everybody to do a podcast.

01:22:06.000 I would claim 200,000.

01:22:10.000 I think, no, it's probably like 100,000.

01:22:13.000 But even that, it's nuts.

01:22:15.000 That's amazing.

01:22:16.000 It's a lot of fucking people out there making podcasts.

01:22:19.000 It's the same as Twitter.

01:22:21.000 Everybody has a voice.

01:22:22.000 You can just have a voice.

01:22:23.000 You can just get a mic and you have one.

01:22:26.000 Yes.

01:22:26.000 And here's the thing.

01:22:28.000 If you're good, it'll grow.

01:22:31.000 It's really that simple.

01:22:32.000 If anybody wants advice on podcasts, the one thing I say is be consistent.

01:22:37.000 Just grind.

01:22:38.000 You have to grind.

01:22:39.000 Grind, put them out all the time.

01:22:40.000 That way people know they can count on them.

01:22:42.000 As soon as you disappear for a while, you lose people.

01:22:44.000 As soon as you take time off, you lose people.

01:22:47.000 That happened on mine.

01:22:48.000 My buddy was off for a couple weeks and you could feel it.

01:22:53.000 Yeah, you lose your momentum.

01:22:54.000 And then you lose the people that are addicted to it, and then they find something else.

01:22:58.000 They go to this one or that one.

01:23:00.000 You see the number, 900,000.

01:23:02.000 God, that's amazing.

01:23:02.000 So many people.

01:23:03.000 Yeah.

01:23:04.000 Crazy.

01:23:05.000 That is crazy.

01:23:06.000 Just out there talking about everything.

01:23:08.000 Mm-hmm.

01:23:08.000 It's a different world, and you can use that world in a beneficial way.

01:23:12.000 People get things out of it.

01:23:14.000 In this podcast, I've had so many interviews with inspirational people, people like David Goggins and Cam Haynes and all these folks that have really inspired people to change their life.

01:23:27.000 Jordan Peterson.

01:23:28.000 I mean, so many people that have inspired people to take chances and change their lives.

01:23:33.000 Don't you feel like we're in this cultural moment where people are actively trying to go further?

01:23:41.000 We're always doing that, right?

01:23:42.000 We're always progressing as a species.

01:23:44.000 We're always doing that.

01:23:44.000 But it seems like there's a bump right now.

01:23:48.000 There's an acceleration happening where people are really not only thirsty for it, but also participating in it.

01:23:55.000 And you can only think it's going to leap us further a lot quicker.

01:24:00.000 Well, it's definitely opening up conversations that people wouldn't have normally had.

01:24:08.000 And one of the reasons why it's so valuable right now is because this is a weird time for humans communicating because so many people are communicating electronically.

01:24:15.000 So many people are sending text messages and emails and not talking to each other for long periods of time face-to-face.

01:24:20.000 Like, you and I have been friends for years, but our biggest conversations we have are on this podcast.

01:24:25.000 For sure.

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:26.000 I mean, we have dinners together and stuff like that, but sitting in a podcast studio, you're locked in.

01:24:32.000 It's just staring at each other across a desk.

01:24:34.000 It's a very unusual way to talk.

01:24:36.000 Yeah, and you're also freed up to ask each other things that you normally don't ask.

01:24:40.000 And we have Jamie to make sure that we're not talking shit.

01:24:42.000 That's a little weird.

01:24:43.000 It's a little weird that he's leering over there.

01:24:46.000 He's crucial.

01:24:47.000 He's shopping for toasters right now.

01:24:49.000 He's the world champion Googler.

01:24:50.000 People from Google want him to come in and teach them how to Google.

01:24:53.000 I believe it.

01:24:54.000 I'm not joking, man.

01:24:55.000 Oh, really?

01:24:55.000 People have asked him to come in.

01:24:57.000 Like, how are you?

01:24:57.000 What are you doing?

01:24:58.000 People watch the show.

01:24:59.000 What the fuck is he doing?

01:25:00.000 How's he doing it like that?

01:25:02.000 Jamie's the goat.

01:25:03.000 Yeah, getting it done.

01:25:04.000 He's the greatest one-handed Googler in the history of the universe.

01:25:09.000 Like, you probably are one of the best one-handed typers ever, because you always have to type with one hand.

01:25:14.000 Yeah.

01:25:14.000 You've probably developed a new skill.

01:25:16.000 I'm in a mindset when I'm here.

01:25:19.000 It's an energy.

01:25:20.000 You can't recreate it in other places.

01:25:22.000 Well, that's what's crazy.

01:25:23.000 It's like, you anticipate what we're thinking, and then you pull up the thing before.

01:25:28.000 I go, can you pull up a...

01:25:30.000 Oh, there it is.

01:25:30.000 Yeah.

01:25:31.000 It was weird.

01:25:32.000 He had my ghost up there before I was done talking about it.

01:25:35.000 When I type in Tom Pompa ghost, it comes right up.

01:25:38.000 Here's the problem with ghosts.

01:25:40.000 Those ghost shows.

01:25:41.000 Well, yes.

01:25:43.000 Those ghost shows are bullshit.

01:25:44.000 100%.

01:25:44.000 One of those guys got in trouble recently because he made a ghost book and he plagiarized a bunch of shit.

01:25:50.000 Really?

01:25:51.000 Like blatant copy and paste.

01:25:53.000 Yeah, geez.

01:25:55.000 Theater ghosts are some of my favorite.

01:25:58.000 In theaters?

01:25:58.000 When you go, right?

01:25:59.000 When you go perform in these theaters, and you talk to the people, I always ask, do you have a ghost?

01:26:05.000 Yeah.

01:26:06.000 There was a little boy I was in, where was I? Oshkosh.

01:26:11.000 Oshkosh. 0.68

01:26:12.000 And there was an old theater, and the guy who runs the theater said, you know, we've had, there's legendary, they keep talking about, there's like three ghosts in the thing, and they were having a cocktail party upstairs in this like cocktail lounge off the balcony, and his son, this guy's son, ran into the balcony,

01:26:28.000 and he's talking with people, and he goes, I gotta go get them.

01:26:31.000 And he goes in there, and the kid's leaning over the balcony, talking to the stage, having a conversation with someone.

01:26:38.000 He's like, Yeah.

01:26:40.000 No.

01:26:41.000 Oh, this is my dad.

01:26:43.000 He wants us to go down there.

01:26:45.000 Who wants us to go?

01:26:47.000 That guy.

01:26:47.000 He wants us to go down there.

01:26:49.000 There's no one down there.

01:26:51.000 The thought about that with little kids is that little kids have not dulled all of their senses with the pressures of the world and all the other information that we carry around in our heads and all of our ideas of what's real and what's not real, and that little kids are open more,

01:27:07.000 and then they can see things.

01:27:09.000 Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers was talking about that with his son, that his son is like...

01:27:14.000 I think it was Flea.

01:27:16.000 Yeah.

01:27:16.000 But his son is like...

01:27:17.000 Tuned in to spirits, in a way, that he was looking at and was like, maybe it's that these kids are not, like, maybe we all have that in us, but it's blunted by pressures and life and the lack of sleep and responsibilities and relationships and work and fear.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, and everything.

01:27:36.000 And also, like, we define how the world is, right?

01:27:40.000 We get it in our head that these are the parameters for the world.

01:27:43.000 This is how the world works, and that's it.

01:27:45.000 Go to work and fucking button up your fucking sleeves.

01:27:47.000 Right, this is my beliefs.

01:27:48.000 My belief system is going to carry me through.

01:27:51.000 Yeah, this is what it is.

01:27:53.000 It's a fact.

01:27:53.000 It is.

01:27:55.000 That's why it's good to smoke it up once in a while.

01:27:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:58.000 Kick the doors open.

01:27:59.000 That's one of my favorite things about pot.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 It makes you aware of how weird things actually really truly are.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 How weird things are.

01:28:07.000 When you don't do it for a long time and then do it, which is like my schedule, it makes you look at everything, all your structure that you've formed over the last whatever amount of time, and you're like...

01:28:21.000 You see it just from another perspective.

01:28:23.000 It just makes you look at it and be like, oh, well, that's kind of unnecessary.

01:28:25.000 That's kind of douchey.

01:28:29.000 That's fun.

01:28:30.000 That's on.

01:28:31.000 Easily opens those doors, too.

01:28:33.000 Just woof. 0.72

01:28:34.000 Hey, when you're saying you're reading all those books about the Native Americans and stuff, did they talk about their spiritual stuff?

01:28:42.000 Yeah.

01:28:43.000 Well, certainly they had a lot of spiritual stuff, but there's a lot of peyote rituals.

01:28:48.000 They're really into peyote, and they actually, particularly it was important at the end of the Native Americans' free range, when they all got conquered and moved into reservations, then the peyote rituals became increasingly important for them.

01:29:03.000 Oh, really?

01:29:04.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 Why then?

01:29:05.000 Because they were fucking filled with despair.

01:29:07.000 Right.

01:29:07.000 Dude, the stories of the reservations are one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read anywhere about anything.

01:29:14.000 Like, massive amounts of people dying from starvation and disease and, you know, it's horrible, man.

01:29:20.000 People losing, like, most of their kids, most of their family members, and, you know, the amount of people that are left...

01:29:27.000 You know, like Native American reservations, I don't know how many people live on them, but I don't think there's any growth or population boom.

01:29:35.000 It's not like there's a bunch of, you know what I mean?

01:29:37.000 Like the Native American cities are growing inside these reservations and they're becoming more and more affluent. 0.88

01:29:44.000 It's not happening.

01:29:45.000 They're destroyed.

01:29:46.000 Oh, the fucking alcoholism, too.

01:29:48.000 And it talked about that in Black Elk, Life of an American Visionary.

01:29:53.000 It's the most recent one that I'm reading.

01:29:55.000 They're talking about just the alcoholism and that they were converting all these Native Americans to Catholicism and how they just hated being Native American.

01:30:06.000 They felt so terrible about it because their identity was just so disparaged by...

01:30:13.000 Just being conquered and moved into reservations and extreme poverty.

01:30:17.000 And they would see these other people.

01:30:18.000 And they'd be like, these people look happy and healthy.

01:30:21.000 And then they're forcing this religion on them. 0.78

01:30:23.000 The most heartbreaking when you'd see those old photos where they were putting them in traditional dress.

01:30:30.000 Like making them all of a sudden wear suits and ties and shoes and hats.

01:30:34.000 It's so sad.

01:30:36.000 It's fucked up, man.

01:30:38.000 I always knew it was fucked up.

01:30:41.000 But the genocide of the Native American people is one of the most overlooked parts of our history.

01:30:48.000 We kind of brush it aside.

01:30:50.000 We're aware of it, but we don't discuss it all the time.

01:30:53.000 You know they killed like 90% of them with disease?

01:30:57.000 Intentionally?

01:30:58.000 No.

01:30:58.000 No, just exposure to Europeans.

01:31:01.000 Oh, really?

01:31:01.000 Yeah, like some tribes, 90% of them were wiped out because of smallpox and all sorts of other diseases.

01:31:08.000 Oh, jeez.

01:31:08.000 They had no defense for it.

01:31:10.000 Yeah, just these people show up covering stuff.

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:14.000 It's awful.

01:31:15.000 How do you...

01:31:16.000 I have a daughter that's going to school.

01:31:21.000 She's going to be going to college.

01:31:22.000 And so she's learning all about the world.

01:31:26.000 All the darkness of the world.

01:31:28.000 All you have to do is read history.

01:31:30.000 And not just our history...

01:31:33.000 Globally, it's a nasty, nasty tale.

01:31:36.000 And I feel, though, that I want to prep her before she goes even deeper when she goes away to the schools and starts learning about it even more intensely.

01:31:48.000 You can tell, like, I don't want her to lose hope.

01:31:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:54.000 It's a very, very dark, upsetting thing to learn about.

01:31:59.000 But you have to kind of realize we're at least muddling through it.

01:32:05.000 We are progressing.

01:32:07.000 We are conscious of that history.

01:32:10.000 So don't lose hope.

01:32:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:13.000 I'm afraid to send her out there without that armor in a way.

01:32:16.000 Yeah.

01:32:18.000 Don't lose hope is huge, right?

01:32:20.000 Huge!

01:32:20.000 Find good people, they're out there.

01:32:22.000 Find nice people, they're out there.

01:32:23.000 Especially, you know, I think people are very scared today.

01:32:28.000 And I think this is a pivotal time with human beings.

01:32:36.000 There's so much change, right?

01:32:37.000 So much change culturally, and there's so much change, you know, just in the world.

01:32:43.000 Well, you're shifting, and it's also tearing down, like, all the institutions that carried us for a certain amount of time, right?

01:32:49.000 Those things are no longer really important in the world.

01:32:55.000 Like, churches have fallen off, and sense of community, just the town squares, you know, are isolated, and so it's all of this shift.

01:33:04.000 And that's, whenever there's that shift and change in anything, even in your own life, when you have to move, all of a sudden your world is a little rocky and shaken.

01:33:12.000 It's like, it feels like The planet is about to move.

01:33:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:16.000 It's like we're all packing our boxes.

01:33:18.000 It doesn't feel like there's any official structures anymore that are valid, like news.

01:33:22.000 Where do you get your news?

01:33:24.000 Yeah.

01:33:24.000 Who's more full of shit, CNN or Fox?

01:33:27.000 It's like, where's the news coming from?

01:33:29.000 Right.

01:33:29.000 There's no one place where you can say, like, these guys aren't biased.

01:33:33.000 Yeah.

01:33:33.000 This is not, you know.

01:33:34.000 This is the one guy that is telling it straight.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, there's no place like that, right?

01:33:39.000 So how do you know what's really going on in the world?

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 And also, no one's watching.

01:33:45.000 Those goddamn news shows are dropping off.

01:33:47.000 Late night television, dropping off.

01:33:49.000 Everything's dropping off.

01:33:49.000 No one's watching.

01:33:50.000 No one's paying attention to that shit anymore.

01:33:52.000 So all these structures that used to be our primary places to go for entertainment and being informed.

01:34:00.000 And one of the weirdest things is people rely on folks like me.

01:34:03.000 Like, hey, don't do that.

01:34:06.000 I'm not the place to go.

01:34:07.000 You want to hear some people talking shit, you can come to me.

01:34:11.000 But if you want to be informed, listen, I'll guide you in the right direction.

01:34:15.000 I'll tell you where I go, or I'll tell you who to listen to, but don't listen to me.

01:34:19.000 I have way too much on my plate, and I'm not really paying that much attention.

01:34:22.000 Yeah.

01:34:23.000 You had that light shone on you last week, right?

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:26.000 Adorable.

01:34:27.000 You know, it's not funny, but we always talk about, you know, at some point they're going to do it.

01:34:34.000 At some point they're going to say evil stuff.

01:34:37.000 Everyone gets their turn to try to be knocked down.

01:34:41.000 Yeah.

01:34:42.000 Right?

01:34:42.000 Well, that's what cancel culture is all about, right?

01:34:45.000 And it's this thing you're looking to just only look at the worst aspects if someone exaggerate those, magnify them, and ignore everything else.

01:34:54.000 Right.

01:34:54.000 The thing about it, though, is it's really difficult for people to swallow now, because they know what that is.

01:34:58.000 You know, most people who listen to the show...

01:35:01.000 Yeah.

01:35:01.000 I mean, there's been 1,500-plus episodes.

01:35:04.000 They know what the fuck it actually is.

01:35:06.000 Well, that was what was cool about...

01:35:08.000 All of the comments in defense of you in the show, it was like this person had never heard the show.

01:35:16.000 You can't listen to this show without understanding the openness and the diverse...

01:35:26.000 The acceptance of diverse points of view.

01:35:29.000 Also comedy.

01:35:31.000 You can't take comedy and take it out of context and put it in quotes, take a section of a bit and use it as evidence of homophobia or transphobia or anything else.

01:35:42.000 You know, and it's disingenuous, and they don't realize that by doing that, they're just making people distrust them more.

01:35:51.000 That's all they're doing.

01:35:51.000 You're not going to convince someone that, hey, you know this show that you love, that you listen to this guy all the time?

01:35:57.000 He's actually evil.

01:35:58.000 He's actually plotting against gay people and trans people and Yeah, it's ridiculous.

01:36:02.000 And everybody else that's protected and sacred in this world.

01:36:05.000 Yeah.

01:36:06.000 It is amazing, though, that comedy and comedians have kind of filled the void of a lack of grown-ups around.

01:36:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:14.000 Like it used to be Walter Cronkite or that evening news, and that's where you got it, and then you saw Johnny Carson or whatever doing the funny stuff.

01:36:22.000 Things need to be mocked.

01:36:24.000 They do, including us.

01:36:26.000 Everything needs to be mocked.

01:36:28.000 It's one of the great things about comics is we mock each other.

01:36:30.000 We're always busting balls.

01:36:32.000 We're always talking shit to each other.

01:36:34.000 It's hilarious.

01:36:35.000 It's the best.

01:36:36.000 It's fun.

01:36:37.000 Right, exactly.

01:36:38.000 And we actually enjoy it.

01:36:40.000 You know, I think it'll all turn around.

01:36:42.000 It'll all come back around.

01:36:43.000 I think what we're experiencing right now is just a shifting of our focus as a culture.

01:36:50.000 And these things that used to be important, like sitting around the radio listening to the evening news, that shit is non-existent anymore.

01:36:58.000 Nobody sits around the radio trying to find out what's happening in the world, like the whole family listening to the radio.

01:37:06.000 Bet when they were doing that, they couldn't have imagined anything different.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, but I do crave, and my wife craves, a connection. 1.00

01:37:15.000 It's like, what are you listening to?

01:37:17.000 What are you listening to when you're going out?

01:37:20.000 Oh, I'm listening to This American Life.

01:37:22.000 Well, I'm listening to Jordan Peterson.

01:37:24.000 All right, so I guess we're not going to have something to talk about tonight.

01:37:26.000 But we should both listen to this one so you can come back and talk about it.

01:37:31.000 We're both thinking about the same things.

01:37:33.000 It's kind of a cool sense of community.

01:37:37.000 Do you guys have a show that you both watch?

01:37:40.000 We've been watching Schitt's Creek lately.

01:37:42.000 What's Schitt's Creek?

01:37:42.000 Schitt's Creek is hilarious.

01:37:44.000 Really?

01:37:44.000 You don't know Schitt's Creek?

01:37:45.000 No, I've never heard of it.

01:37:46.000 It got picked up by Netflix.

01:37:47.000 It's over.

01:37:49.000 I think they've shot the last or they're shooting the last.

01:37:51.000 But Eugene Levy, Levy, Levy, him and his son Dan created this show about a rich family who loses their fortune and ends up in this small town.

01:38:04.000 Oh, I think I have heard of this.

01:38:05.000 It's so funny.

01:38:07.000 Have we ever talked about that?

01:38:07.000 Catherine O'Hara is on it, and there's two other actresses that are just killer.

01:38:13.000 They're just such defined characters.

01:38:15.000 It's a very small show.

01:38:17.000 It all takes place in this little shitty town, Schitt's Creek, and they're these affluent, arrogant kids and parents.

01:38:24.000 It just hits.

01:38:26.000 The jokes are just fantastic.

01:38:28.000 Fast and cutting.

01:38:31.000 Nice.

01:38:31.000 It's such a good show.

01:38:33.000 It really is good.

01:38:34.000 All right.

01:38:35.000 It's the first thing that we've watched in a long time.

01:38:37.000 We haven't been watching anything for a long time.

01:38:39.000 So it used to be on Pop TV and then Netflix bought it?

01:38:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:43.000 All right.

01:38:44.000 Yeah.

01:38:44.000 Schitt's Creek.

01:38:45.000 And that's father and son created it together, and they're just so damn funny.

01:38:52.000 Wow.

01:38:52.000 Look at those eyebrows.

01:38:53.000 Look at the matching eyebrows.

01:38:55.000 And Catherine O'Hara is just on point.

01:38:58.000 She's so damn funny.

01:39:00.000 Oh, all right, man.

01:39:00.000 Good.

01:39:01.000 I'm excited.

01:39:02.000 And they're kind of short.

01:39:03.000 They're easy to digest.

01:39:05.000 I was into Mrs. Maisel, but the last season, it started off kind of clunky.

01:39:08.000 I haven't gotten back to it.

01:39:10.000 Yeah, I feel like I should watch that one.

01:39:12.000 I watched the first two seasons.

01:39:13.000 I really enjoyed it, but it's hard.

01:39:18.000 It's one of those things where it's so close to home because it's stand-up.

01:39:23.000 How's the Lenny Bruce?

01:39:24.000 He's very good.

01:39:25.000 He's good.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, he's very good.

01:39:26.000 He's very believable.

01:39:27.000 I was just talking to Kevin Pollack.

01:39:30.000 He's on that show.

01:39:31.000 Yeah.

01:39:31.000 No, he's the dad.

01:39:32.000 He's great.

01:39:33.000 He's really great.

01:39:34.000 I listened to a Lenny Bruce thing recently.

01:39:40.000 What's it called?

01:39:41.000 It's on YouTube.

01:39:43.000 It was an album that someone put out about Lenny Bruce, the killing of Lenny Bruce.

01:39:48.000 Oh.

01:39:49.000 And it talks all about some new stuff that I'd never heard, like his young daughter talking at the time and talking about the court case, similar to the Howard Stern thing, like the case just that devoured him, that and the heroin, which is also a suspect of were they trying to get rid of this guy kind of a thing.

01:40:09.000 But it was a very interesting little documentary, audio documentary about...

01:40:14.000 The fall of Lenny Bruce.

01:40:16.000 And you talk about just...

01:40:18.000 It's almost cliche how legendary that story is.

01:40:23.000 But just to be reminded of how completely alone he was.

01:40:29.000 Just having people show up in a comedy club.

01:40:32.000 Not even a club.

01:40:33.000 Just a nightclub.

01:40:35.000 Because there were no comedy clubs.

01:40:36.000 That he was that brave to keep going.

01:40:38.000 To keep speaking.

01:40:39.000 While the whole...

01:40:42.000 Government was coming to squash him like a bug.

01:40:44.000 They were arresting him.

01:40:45.000 The bravery of that is astounding.

01:40:50.000 Astounding.

01:40:50.000 And like Howard Stern, he opened up the door to all of us.

01:40:53.000 Completely.

01:40:54.000 That guy opened up the door to all stand-up.

01:40:56.000 He created the art form, essentially, because it wasn't the same when he left.

01:41:01.000 It was different.

01:41:02.000 It was different.

01:41:03.000 Before him, it was jokes.

01:41:04.000 Right.

01:41:04.000 It was just jokes.

01:41:05.000 Right, exactly.

01:41:06.000 And it became cultural commentary.

01:41:08.000 Right.

01:41:09.000 Talking about religion, talking about the government.

01:41:11.000 Sex.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:11.000 Love.

01:41:12.000 All of it.

01:41:13.000 Loss.

01:41:13.000 Here is an interesting thing.

01:41:15.000 I was like, so what happened when he died?

01:41:17.000 So he dies in, I believe, 67 or 69. And I was like, so what was the next thing?

01:41:24.000 They were really clamping down on him.

01:41:26.000 It was only four years later that Carlin's case for The Seven Dirty Words came up.

01:41:32.000 Hmm.

01:41:33.000 It was that close.

01:41:34.000 Wow.

01:41:35.000 That in my head, I always thought that was a much different era.

01:41:38.000 Yeah.

01:41:39.000 That Carlin was much later than...

01:41:40.000 But it was only four years later that they were still attacking.

01:41:44.000 So he kind of picked up the fight in a way.

01:41:48.000 Hmm.

01:41:49.000 Is that remarkable?

01:41:50.000 It is remarkable.

01:41:52.000 Yeah, Carlin was arrested several times as well.

01:41:54.000 Right, he was pulled off stage.

01:41:55.000 Yeah.

01:41:56.000 Right?

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:41:56.000 Just for speaking.

01:41:57.000 And again, what is that, 40 years ago?

01:41:59.000 Not that long ago.

01:42:00.000 No.

01:42:01.000 I know.

01:42:02.000 Amazing.

01:42:02.000 Like, if they could see what was going on any night, in any club, anywhere, they would be astounded.

01:42:09.000 Oh my god.

01:42:10.000 If you could bring Lenny Bruce to the comedy store on a Friday night, he'd be like, holy shit!

01:42:14.000 What the hell?

01:42:15.000 Yeah, he'd be like, I gotta up-up my game.

01:42:16.000 I'm not offensive enough.

01:42:18.000 Yeah.

01:42:19.000 You can't get arrested at all anymore.

01:42:21.000 Yeah.

01:42:22.000 I mean, watch Brian Holtzman.

01:42:23.000 Yeah.

01:42:24.000 People are like, whoa.

01:42:25.000 You can say so much.

01:42:26.000 Yeah, you can say anything.

01:42:27.000 Where are the cops?

01:42:28.000 Yeah.

01:42:29.000 But it is pretty cool.

01:42:31.000 You can get it on YouTube.

01:42:32.000 Listen to The Killer.

01:42:33.000 Oh, okay.

01:42:33.000 Cool.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, I've listened to a bunch of his old stuff.

01:42:36.000 It's weird.

01:42:37.000 It's weird how comedy is...

01:42:39.000 It has a lifespan.

01:42:40.000 It really does.

01:42:41.000 It really doesn't work.

01:42:42.000 It doesn't.

01:42:43.000 Culturally, things are so different that the taboos have been broken to the point where what he's saying is it's normal.

01:42:50.000 It's like a museum piece.

01:42:52.000 You listen to that album, Carnegie Hall, Lenny Bruce Carnegie Hall?

01:42:56.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

01:42:57.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 And it's cool to hear the way he talks and the stuff and his style and all that, but as comedy to make you laugh, it just...

01:43:06.000 It doesn't work.

01:43:07.000 It doesn't work.

01:43:08.000 No.

01:43:08.000 It's just a different...

01:43:09.000 He had a couple of bits that are still valid.

01:43:11.000 He had one bit that he did about gay people where he's like, it's illegal to be gay, right?

01:43:19.000 So what do they do?

01:43:20.000 They take you and they arrest you and they put you in jail with a bunch of men who want to have sex with you. 0.98

01:43:29.000 I mean, it's valid today.

01:43:33.000 I mean, obviously it's not illegal to be gay anymore, but how crazy is that?

01:43:39.000 Gay sex was in many places not legal then.

01:43:42.000 Right.

01:43:43.000 Which is fucking insane.

01:43:44.000 Mind-blowing.

01:43:45.000 Mind-blowing.

01:43:46.000 Insane.

01:43:46.000 In our lifetime.

01:43:47.000 In our lifetime.

01:43:48.000 So weird.

01:43:48.000 Yeah.

01:43:49.000 So strange.

01:43:50.000 So the guy who plays in Miss Maisel, he's good?

01:43:53.000 Very good.

01:43:53.000 Very believable.

01:43:55.000 Dustin Hoffman's the best Lenny Bruce, though.

01:43:57.000 Did you ever see Lenny?

01:43:58.000 Yeah, of course.

01:43:59.000 He's fucking amazing.

01:44:01.000 And I think that's the best version of an actor portraying a stand-up comedian.

01:44:06.000 Right.

01:44:06.000 What about Tom Hanks in Punchline?

01:44:11.000 What about...

01:44:14.000 Sally Fields crushed him.

01:44:17.000 I didn't buy it.

01:44:19.000 I mean, I guess Tom could have seemed a little bit like a comic.

01:44:22.000 He did.

01:44:23.000 He seemed like an 80s comic.

01:44:24.000 He pulled it off.

01:44:25.000 Like a Wayne Potter type guy.

01:44:26.000 Yeah, it wasn't him that was the problem with that movie.

01:44:29.000 It was the stuff around it.

01:44:31.000 Yeah.

01:44:31.000 The locker room and all that kind of stuff.

01:44:33.000 Yeah, the locker room was hilarious.

01:44:34.000 They all met in the locker room.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, go up and do their thing.

01:44:38.000 Oh, the locker room.

01:44:39.000 Imagine if you had to get changed to do comedy.

01:44:41.000 Like, what?

01:44:42.000 Why do we need a locker room?

01:44:43.000 Imagine if a store just put in a locker room.

01:44:45.000 Hey, guys, we have a locker room for you now.

01:44:46.000 Like, what?

01:44:47.000 That'd be so great.

01:44:47.000 Why are we taking off our clothes?

01:44:48.000 Putting on my show clothes.

01:44:49.000 Do you guys have cameras here?

01:44:50.000 What the fuck are you doing?

01:44:52.000 Yeah.

01:44:52.000 This is my outfit.

01:44:53.000 Yeah, the scenes of the actual clubs themselves were interesting because I saw Punchline when I was an open-miker.

01:45:03.000 I think Punchline came out in 89?

01:45:05.000 Yeah.

01:45:06.000 Is that correct?

01:45:08.000 I bet it's earlier.

01:45:10.000 88, 89. I think 88. 87. It had to be around 88. Is that it?

01:45:15.000 87?

01:45:15.000 October 88. October 88. Nice.

01:45:18.000 Okay, so that was right when I started.

01:45:20.000 Because I started August of 88. So it was right after I started.

01:45:24.000 Right.

01:45:24.000 And I remember thinking, wow, I was like...

01:45:26.000 It was so romantic just to be involved in this thing.

01:45:29.000 And I'd only been doing it for a couple months at that point in time, so just signing up on Sunday nights for open mic night and getting my feet wet.

01:45:36.000 But I remember watching that movie.

01:45:39.000 I loved everything about stand-up then.

01:45:41.000 I was so excited about comedy.

01:45:43.000 You know, there's a movie about comedy now.

01:45:45.000 Ooh, so exciting.

01:45:46.000 And were you disappointed or were you into it at the time?

01:45:48.000 I didn't think it was very funny.

01:45:50.000 Right.

01:45:50.000 I didn't laugh.

01:45:51.000 Right.

01:45:51.000 There was no moments in that movie where I was like, ha ha ha.

01:45:55.000 Yeah, but I always remembered the part that excited me was when they were in the diner in the middle of the day.

01:46:01.000 Like, she comes to Tom to get jokes and stuff, and I was just like, how cool is that?

01:46:07.000 They're not in an office.

01:46:09.000 It's the middle of the day, and they're just at a diner.

01:46:12.000 That seems so exciting to me.

01:46:14.000 Freedom!

01:46:16.000 Just show up and go to the movies with your friends.

01:46:18.000 I used to love that.

01:46:20.000 Yeah.

01:46:20.000 I used to love families and responsibilities.

01:46:23.000 I'd love to call one of my buddies up.

01:46:25.000 Hey, what are you doing, man?

01:46:25.000 Want to go to the movies?

01:46:26.000 Fuck yeah, let's go to the movies.

01:46:28.000 Yeah, whatever you want to do.

01:46:29.000 Hanging out with your buddies at like 2 in the afternoon at the movie theater.

01:46:33.000 Nobody else is in there.

01:46:34.000 The best.

01:46:35.000 Laughing.

01:46:36.000 The very first day that I quit my day job, I was in New York, and I finally was a full-time comedian.

01:46:42.000 And I walked up to Central Park with my buddy, and it was packed on a Tuesday, just packed with people.

01:46:48.000 And I remember being so disappointed, like, this should only be comedians right now.

01:46:55.000 How do all you people have off from work?

01:46:58.000 I'm like, oh, other people can figure it out, too, to get a day off.

01:47:02.000 Well, when you're in LA and it's like 2 in the afternoon and you're on the road and it's fucking jammed up with people, like, where are you people going?

01:47:09.000 Yeah, why isn't everybody at work right now?

01:47:12.000 You should all be in the office, you fucks.

01:47:14.000 What's wrong with you?

01:47:15.000 That is like one of the more attractive aspects of comedy to people is that freedom.

01:47:20.000 But that's also, that freedom was one of the reasons why so many comics are so irresponsible and lazy.

01:47:26.000 Yeah.

01:47:26.000 It's because they have that freedom.

01:47:28.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 That they don't actually sit down and work.

01:47:30.000 Yeah.

01:47:30.000 Like how many of us have actually, like you've written a book, Norton's written a couple books, how many comics have actually written books?

01:47:36.000 Yeah.

01:47:37.000 Fucking, that is the real test of whether or not you have discipline, right?

01:47:40.000 Right.

01:47:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:42.000 Write a book.

01:47:43.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 No, to sit in there every day and do it, but...

01:47:46.000 How long did your book take?

01:47:47.000 This is my second book.

01:47:49.000 That's right.

01:47:50.000 And they take, they take about a, I don't know, I guess like all in probably two years.

01:47:56.000 Do you enjoy the process?

01:47:58.000 I love it.

01:47:58.000 Or do you enjoy the completion of it?

01:47:59.000 What do you enjoy more?

01:48:01.000 The process of it.

01:48:03.000 Really?

01:48:03.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 I love...

01:48:05.000 There's something about the routine.

01:48:07.000 When I can get locked into the routine of this is how I... It's almost like it creates a...

01:48:15.000 The routine creates a space for your creativity in a way.

01:48:19.000 So if I get up at 7 and roll in there with my coffee and sit at the desk and open it up and go to work and know that this is happening now, good or bad, that routine, it's like going to church.

01:48:33.000 It's like this is the time when this happens.

01:48:36.000 This is the time when the writing is going to happen.

01:48:38.000 It could be a week of horrible days, but then all of a sudden a couple great days happen.

01:48:44.000 I just love that discipline of it, and then just going to work on it, and then playing with the words, and then revising it, revising it, revising it.

01:48:54.000 I love it.

01:48:56.000 That part of it really surprised me.

01:48:59.000 That this is a very comfortable, cool place to be, and I could spend years here.

01:49:07.000 That's great.

01:49:08.000 That's a great thing to be really into doing, because it's so productive.

01:49:13.000 Do you write stand-up like that as well?

01:49:16.000 Do you sit down and write stand-up in front of your computer?

01:49:19.000 Yeah, not from whole cloth, like not from out of the blue, if I can double up my cliches.

01:49:25.000 But like mostly I'll rewrite.

01:49:28.000 I will rewrite stuff.

01:49:30.000 Like if I try something out on stage tonight and then have an idea, listen to it or just remember it, and then I'll kind of noodle around with it and see if I can go further with it actually writing.

01:49:42.000 Yeah.

01:49:43.000 So where do you come up with your premises?

01:49:45.000 Are they just random observations throughout the day, random thoughts while you're driving?

01:49:49.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 Something somebody says, some ridiculous thing that you saw somebody do.

01:49:54.000 Yeah.

01:49:55.000 That's, you know, on your mind, stuff that's kind of on your mind.

01:49:59.000 And then, like, if I'll get, like, we were talking about the tree, like, all of a sudden you're getting that joke that I was watching the other night.

01:50:05.000 You start getting that thing down, and then your mind almost starts to think about it all...

01:50:11.000 In its downtime.

01:50:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:13.000 And then all of a sudden you start to pop it up.

01:50:17.000 But I have lost so much thinking I was going to be able to remember it that I just started writing more.

01:50:24.000 I just started putting it down.

01:50:27.000 And it's been a real savior because...

01:50:31.000 There'd be whole things like that were valuable that I just let go because I just didn't remember or got into the routine of performing it.

01:50:39.000 But if I could have it down, I was able to keep track of it and go further with it.

01:50:44.000 Yeah, I think that's gigantic.

01:50:45.000 I use a couple different programs, but one of them is called Scrivener.

01:50:50.000 Right.

01:50:51.000 You told me about that.

01:50:52.000 What I really like about that is I set up my premises on the left side, so all my premises, and then when I click on them, it shows me the whole bit.

01:50:59.000 Yeah.

01:51:00.000 And I just started doing that over the last three.

01:51:02.000 Yeah.

01:51:03.000 Yeah.

01:51:04.000 Yeah.

01:51:29.000 So you're in the club, just take your phone out, you can see everything you've been writing.

01:51:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:32.000 That's huge.

01:51:32.000 It's huge.

01:51:33.000 It's huge.

01:51:34.000 Pages does that too.

01:51:35.000 Well, also on my iPhone, the notes application.

01:51:39.000 Yeah.

01:51:39.000 So I'll copy and paste shit into notes.

01:51:41.000 Yeah.

01:51:42.000 Now, I really feel like, and I think that's what writing the books did.

01:51:47.000 Was it made me realize the real value in getting it down.

01:51:53.000 It could always get better.

01:51:55.000 I would get it really good to a point.

01:51:58.000 But then realizing this stuff, even though it's killing, could even be better.

01:52:03.000 Yeah, always.

01:52:04.000 I could always, right?

01:52:05.000 And the moves, the changes that happen at that stage are so small.

01:52:12.000 That, to me, is like the writing.

01:52:15.000 That's the smallness of it.

01:52:17.000 Yeah, those little pauses, those little beats, those little extra, one extra word.

01:52:22.000 Yeah, right.

01:52:23.000 Boom.

01:52:24.000 Just a change of a word.

01:52:25.000 It's a giant pop.

01:52:25.000 Yeah.

01:52:25.000 Well, I have that feeling, too, when I watch someone, someone will say something, just one word, and I'm like, ah!

01:52:31.000 Right?

01:52:32.000 There's something about one thing that shifts it.

01:52:35.000 Yeah.

01:52:36.000 Oh, man.

01:52:36.000 You know who was really making me laugh yesterday in the car was Cat Williams.

01:52:40.000 Oh, he's hilarious.

01:52:41.000 God.

01:52:42.000 So crazy.

01:52:43.000 He doesn't get spoken of enough because he's so crazy, I think.

01:52:46.000 I agree.

01:52:47.000 People just hit you, right?

01:52:49.000 And he was just going off about...

01:53:00.000 Yes.

01:53:05.000 Yes.

01:53:08.000 Yes.

01:53:15.000 I don't know if it's natural, but he's definitely funny.

01:53:17.000 When he was more active, when he was really touring a lot, like during the Pimp Chronicle days, he was one of the best in the world.

01:53:23.000 One of the best in the world.

01:53:25.000 He was a monster.

01:53:25.000 Go on stage to destroy.

01:53:27.000 All that Michael Jackson stuff.

01:53:29.000 Oh my god, that stuff was so good.

01:53:30.000 It's so good.

01:53:31.000 And dangerous at the time.

01:53:32.000 I know.

01:53:33.000 Because people hadn't come to grips with this idea that Michael Jackson was a pedophile.

01:53:36.000 He did not care.

01:53:36.000 Especially not in the black community, and he was out there just fucking swinging for the fences.

01:53:41.000 It's so good.

01:53:42.000 Oh my god.

01:53:43.000 Oh, he really makes me laugh.

01:53:44.000 He's a straight up killer, but I think...

01:53:47.000 For most folks, the pressure of that high-level celebrity is overwhelming.

01:53:54.000 It just fucks with you.

01:53:55.000 It just fucks with you.

01:53:57.000 It could wear you down and break you down like it did with Chris Tucker.

01:54:01.000 It did with Martin Lawrence.

01:54:03.000 It does a lot of these great comics.

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 A lot of guys.

01:54:07.000 It's a weird thing.

01:54:08.000 It's fucking very weird.

01:54:09.000 The pressure of that many people coming to see you, that many people relying on you, that many people waiting for you to fail, that many people hating on you.

01:54:18.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 And then he, clearly there was some substances involved with him.

01:54:23.000 Sure.

01:54:23.000 He had some shows where he would just go on stage and start yelling at someone in the front row and then leave.

01:54:28.000 Yeah, right, exactly.

01:54:29.000 He did that, I think it was in Oakland.

01:54:32.000 He just went on stage and someone heckled him.

01:54:33.000 He's like, fuck!

01:54:34.000 Fuck you, bitch! 1.00

01:54:34.000 And it's like going crazy, this one guy. 1.00

01:54:37.000 I'm not doing this tonight.

01:54:37.000 And then got off stage, and there's fucking, you know, there's 5,000 people there to see him.

01:54:41.000 I was like, what?

01:54:41.000 You can't just leave?

01:54:44.000 Do you feel that pressure, the bigger this gets?

01:54:48.000 Yeah, I do, but I also feel extra love.

01:54:51.000 Like, it's happy.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, it's nice, man.

01:54:54.000 That's good.

01:54:55.000 But I'm also aware that other people have fallen into these holes, you know?

01:54:59.000 And I've benefited from the fact that these people have kind of carved this path and showed me where the holes are, you know?

01:55:06.000 And also, I'm definitely crazy, right?

01:55:12.000 Sure.

01:55:12.000 I definitely have some...

01:55:14.000 Mental health issues.

01:55:15.000 But I'm also very thoughtful in meaning that I think a lot about things.

01:55:21.000 And I spend a lot of time alone just trying to look at things like an outside observer.

01:55:27.000 Right.

01:55:28.000 Trying to look at things like, how would I, if I was me but not me, look at me and what would I say to me?

01:55:34.000 Right.

01:55:35.000 How would I tell myself to gain the proper perspective?

01:55:39.000 That's interesting.

01:55:39.000 How would I evaluate my situation correctly?

01:55:42.000 Right.

01:55:43.000 How would I proceed?

01:55:44.000 What would I say?

01:55:45.000 Man, I wish I had done this.

01:55:47.000 Why don't I do that now?

01:55:48.000 You know, that kind of shit.

01:55:49.000 That's good.

01:55:51.000 So much of figuring stuff out is being conscious of it, right?

01:55:55.000 Being aware that I've got a problem going on or I have to, right?

01:55:59.000 That means you're thinking about it.

01:56:01.000 Yeah.

01:56:01.000 The thoughtfulness with everything, with your diet, with your family.

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:05.000 As long as you're constantly thinking about it, you're giving yourself a chance to take the right...

01:56:11.000 Yeah, you can correct your path.

01:56:12.000 Yeah, right, right.

01:56:13.000 You can correct your mistakes and correct your path.

01:56:15.000 And there's no way you're not going to make mistakes, especially if you're putting out as much content as I do.

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 There's no way.

01:56:21.000 And doing as many shows as I do, it's...

01:56:24.000 So I've accepted that.

01:56:26.000 And I've also accepted that these moments of adversity, I always come out on the other end a better person, a better comic, a better everything, a better human.

01:56:36.000 And the cool thing is, too, that you'd have to change exactly who you are for it all to turn.

01:56:45.000 Because it's not that a network is going to tell you that you did something wrong and take the wrong stance or misinterpret you.

01:56:53.000 It's really your audience.

01:56:54.000 It's that relationship with them, and they know what you're about.

01:56:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:59.000 That's the beautiful thing about not having a job job.

01:57:01.000 Right.

01:57:01.000 You could say something that you even didn't mean, and as long as your fans who know and love you give you a pass, then it's going to be okay.

01:57:11.000 And I've definitely done that.

01:57:12.000 I've definitely said some shit I shouldn't have said.

01:57:14.000 Yeah.

01:57:14.000 When you said that you wouldn't eat my bread, that was really weird.

01:57:18.000 I'll eat it right now.

01:57:19.000 You brought a knife.

01:57:20.000 You set it up.

01:57:21.000 That was Jamie's doing.

01:57:22.000 This is one of our sponsors.

01:57:24.000 This is a Kamikoto knife.

01:57:26.000 This is a beautiful Japanese knife.

01:57:27.000 Look at that bitch. 1.00

01:57:28.000 Oh my god.

01:57:29.000 Basically a sword.

01:57:30.000 Is it heavy?

01:57:31.000 No.

01:57:31.000 I mean, it's really well made.

01:57:33.000 These are dope kitchen knives.

01:57:36.000 It's not serrated, though.

01:57:37.000 Do you have good kitchen knives?

01:57:38.000 I figured I could cut bread, though.

01:57:40.000 Yeah.

01:57:40.000 Cut the shit out of some bread.

01:57:42.000 Do you have a good knife set at home?

01:57:44.000 I've got good random knives.

01:57:46.000 Oh, well, I'm going to hook you up.

01:57:47.000 Yeah?

01:57:48.000 Because, yeah, they sent me a couple of these.

01:57:51.000 Ooh, look at that.

01:57:52.000 That is a good knife.

01:57:52.000 Oh, fuck yeah, baby.

01:57:54.000 Look at that.

01:57:54.000 Right through.

01:57:55.000 Nice.

01:57:56.000 Nice.

01:57:57.000 Look at that bread.

01:57:58.000 Look at that glorious bread.

01:58:00.000 Come on! 0.61

01:58:01.000 Fuck this carnivore diet.

01:58:03.000 Let's get in there, baby. 0.59

01:58:05.000 This is Tom Papa bread.

01:58:07.000 Come on, son.

01:58:08.000 I want to start...

01:58:09.000 I want to try eating meat for...

01:58:11.000 Jamie and I were talking before this thing.

01:58:12.000 We're like, yeah.

01:58:14.000 Could you do it?

01:58:14.000 I don't...

01:58:15.000 Yeah, I think I could.

01:58:16.000 Is it hard to do?

01:58:18.000 Oh, thank you.

01:58:19.000 It's not hard.

01:58:20.000 Pardon our chewing lady. 0.98

01:58:21.000 Do you get bored?

01:58:22.000 Mm-mm.

01:58:23.000 You're okay with it?

01:58:24.000 Mm.

01:58:25.000 Mm-mm-mm-mm.

01:58:27.000 Come on.

01:58:27.000 When did this come out of the oven?

01:58:30.000 Um, four hours ago.

01:58:32.000 Oh my god.

01:58:34.000 That was so damn delicious.

01:58:36.000 Let me get a piece of that peel.

01:58:38.000 How big do you want?

01:58:39.000 Just like half of that.

01:58:40.000 That is good stuff.

01:58:41.000 Jamie's drooling over here.

01:58:44.000 Drooling over here looking at this.

01:58:46.000 I always forget to bring butter.

01:58:49.000 He did one time, but...

01:58:50.000 This is fucking fantastic without butter.

01:58:53.000 Come on.

01:58:54.000 Mmm.

01:58:55.000 There's something to be said for pleasure, right?

01:58:58.000 Yeah, a lot.

01:58:59.000 Just like a balance between having too much indulgence and pleasure and no discipline and having too much discipline and no pleasure.

01:59:07.000 Right, exactly.

01:59:08.000 But like you said, you felt so sick after going to Disney.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, but I ate ice cream.

01:59:17.000 I ate...

01:59:18.000 What else did I eat?

01:59:19.000 I bet your kids are happy when you go off the leash.

01:59:21.000 Oh yeah, they love it.

01:59:22.000 Right?

01:59:23.000 Well, they just love Disney.

01:59:25.000 Yeah.

01:59:26.000 The new Star Wars ride is off the charts.

01:59:28.000 Is it?

01:59:29.000 It's so crazy.

01:59:30.000 What's it like?

01:59:31.000 Well, it's 20 minutes long.

01:59:33.000 What?

01:59:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:59:35.000 That's awesome.

01:59:36.000 Dude.

01:59:37.000 That's amazing.

01:59:38.000 Because most of the time, they rip you off with a three-minute ride.

01:59:40.000 Dude, this is 20 minutes long.

01:59:42.000 From the moment you get there, and the scale of it is insane.

01:59:47.000 There's one time where you get off of this thing...

01:59:51.000 And you get transported into this area where all these stormtroopers are.

01:59:56.000 And it's a hall.

01:59:58.000 It's enormous.

01:59:59.000 And there's like a hundred stormtroopers standing there.

02:00:02.000 And behind them is space.

02:00:04.000 There's these huge 4K screens that show space.

02:00:10.000 And you really feel like you are on a starship in space that's filled with stormtroopers.

02:00:15.000 It's fucking bananas, man.

02:00:16.000 Wow, that's amazing.

02:00:18.000 The ride is crazy.

02:00:19.000 So you're flying on a...

02:00:21.000 Well, you get in, you move in, you go for a flight.

02:00:26.000 See all those wheel marks on the ground?

02:00:28.000 Yeah.

02:00:29.000 There's no tracks.

02:00:30.000 Everything is run by computers.

02:00:33.000 The whole thing is run by computers.

02:00:35.000 Right.

02:00:35.000 Bro, it's amazing.

02:00:37.000 I mean, it's just the most intricate and advanced ride Disneyland has ever done by far.

02:00:44.000 Wow, 20 minutes.

02:00:45.000 Every step of the way, you're like, I can't even believe that they did this.

02:00:49.000 I mean, it's 100% next level.

02:00:53.000 Wow.

02:00:54.000 Look at the fucking detail of this place.

02:00:57.000 You go into this and it seems like you are in a real spaceship.

02:01:02.000 This probably doesn't even do it justice.

02:01:04.000 Oh no, it doesn't.

02:01:06.000 My jaw was dropped the entire time.

02:01:08.000 I was like, wow!

02:01:09.000 Wow!

02:01:10.000 And is it more than just the ride?

02:01:12.000 Is it like a whole section?

02:01:13.000 Well, it's a bunch of different interactive experiences.

02:01:16.000 There's people, there's actors.

02:01:18.000 Right.

02:01:18.000 They're, you know, like, they're stormtrooper folks and rebellion, whatever, the bad people.

02:01:25.000 Yeah, they talk to all the people while they're walking around and they ask you, like, are you here to fuck, are you a rebel?

02:01:29.000 They mess with little kids and they just keep it going the whole time.

02:01:33.000 That's awesome.

02:01:34.000 Yeah, you're a member of the Resistance.

02:01:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:36.000 I haven't seen the new movie.

02:01:39.000 Yeah.

02:01:40.000 Not so good?

02:01:41.000 The movies have become Disney-fied.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 I don't say that in a good way, because Disney makes some awesome shit, but it's just...

02:01:50.000 Commercial-like feeling?

02:01:53.000 It's just fake.

02:01:54.000 Right.

02:01:55.000 No heart, no soul again.

02:01:57.000 It seems like it's gone through a corporate diversity filter, where they're making sure that let's have women run this, and women generals, and this and that. 0.67

02:02:06.000 Right.

02:02:07.000 Yeah, they're hitting all the...

02:02:08.000 Right, right.

02:02:09.000 It's by formula.

02:02:11.000 But the movie feels like it's formulaic, too.

02:02:14.000 I haven't seen the very latest one, but the ones before that.

02:02:17.000 It's like, they don't feel...

02:02:19.000 They don't feel special.

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:22.000 I mean, I know this is not the best example, but Tarantino movies still feel like Tarantino movies.

02:02:28.000 That motherfucker still knows how to make a real movie. 0.99

02:02:32.000 Like, you get out of his movie and you're like, whoa.

02:02:34.000 Well, it feels like it's made by him, right?

02:02:36.000 Yes.

02:02:37.000 It doesn't feel like it's made by a company.

02:02:39.000 It would be impossible to make Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with a corporate structure.

02:02:45.000 Right.

02:02:46.000 Or without him.

02:02:47.000 Yeah.

02:02:47.000 It would be impossible.

02:02:48.000 Did you hear his acceptance speech for the best screenplay?

02:02:52.000 No.

02:02:52.000 He's like, usually you'd thank other people at this point, but I wrote this by myself, so...

02:02:57.000 Well, that's why it's so good.

02:03:02.000 Oh, I've got a good movie for you.

02:03:03.000 Yeah?

02:03:05.000 Yeah.

02:03:05.000 This was, I was talking with my buddy Steven Soderbergh, who Digest not only is a great director.

02:03:13.000 Name dropped.

02:03:13.000 Did you just drop a name?

02:03:14.000 I did.

02:03:14.000 But to give credibility to this selection.

02:03:19.000 His movie of the year was Give Me Liberty.

02:03:23.000 It's a small independent film, made in Milwaukee with a lot of regular people.

02:03:27.000 It follows this one guy, young guy, whose job it is to drive people with disabilities around in a van through Milwaukee, through a public service.

02:03:38.000 And it follows him through one whole day.

02:03:40.000 It's so good.

02:03:42.000 It's such a good film.

02:03:44.000 You really gotta see it.

02:03:46.000 The performances are crazy good.

02:03:48.000 You don't know who's an actor and who's not.

02:03:51.000 It's just so well done.

02:03:54.000 It really makes you feel like it's the total opposite of what you're talking about, like that big committee kind of a corporate thing.

02:04:01.000 To see something like this, like you could just feel the filmmakers' hearts and souls pouring into the movie.

02:04:07.000 Those movies that are really big, you also have to think of how much money is invested in them, right?

02:04:12.000 Oh, huge.

02:04:13.000 And if they go bad...

02:04:15.000 It's a giant financial...

02:04:17.000 And go bad means, like, not make a billion dollars.

02:04:20.000 Yeah, well, or lose money, like Dr. Doolittle.

02:04:23.000 Right.

02:04:23.000 Right?

02:04:24.000 Yeah.

02:04:24.000 I think that movie's probably going to lose money.

02:04:26.000 Oh, really?

02:04:27.000 Which is real dangerous, coming from a guy like Robert Downey Jr., who's amazing, who's so incredible in The Avengers, and that movie made fucking kajillions of dollars.

02:04:36.000 Yeah.

02:04:36.000 All those movies are amazing.

02:04:38.000 And then he goes and does this kid's movie, and it really doesn't do well.

02:04:40.000 Those are dangerous.

02:04:41.000 Right.

02:04:42.000 Those movies are like, oh, Jesus, we're on thin ice.

02:04:44.000 Get back to the shore! 0.96

02:04:46.000 Right.

02:04:47.000 Dangerous for who?

02:04:48.000 For the actor?

02:04:49.000 For the actor.

02:04:50.000 Yeah.

02:04:50.000 For the production company.

02:04:52.000 For everybody.

02:04:53.000 What if they come to the production company a year later and say, hey, we have a new idea for a movie in the theater or the studio.

02:05:01.000 And the studio's like, hey, fuck you.

02:05:02.000 We lost a hundred million dollars on you, you fuck.

02:05:05.000 Right.

02:05:06.000 See all the issues with cats?

02:05:08.000 That was probably the biggest financial disaster of the year, right?

02:05:12.000 They pulled it back to redo it, and they're going to re-release it.

02:05:15.000 So many people are making fun of it.

02:05:17.000 Are they going to do it again?

02:05:18.000 Yeah, they left.

02:05:19.000 The visual effects team only apparently had like nine months, and they left watches on people that didn't cover their hands up.

02:05:25.000 All sorts of bad stuff.

02:05:26.000 I saw it with my kids.

02:05:29.000 My daughter's like, we have to see...

02:05:30.000 Was it good though?

02:05:31.000 Like fun to watch as a disaster?

02:05:32.000 No!

02:05:33.000 Because in the beginning, like we thought...

02:05:35.000 My daughter's like, we have to see the worst movie of the decade. 1.00

02:05:38.000 How do we not go see that?

02:05:40.000 And we were the only ones in the theater.

02:05:42.000 It was really brutal.

02:05:43.000 And at first...

02:05:44.000 How bad is it?

02:05:44.000 It's bad.

02:05:45.000 But it's so bad...

02:05:48.000 Is it good?

02:05:49.000 No, it's so bad it's not good bad.

02:05:51.000 Wow.

02:05:52.000 Yeah, it's just bad.

02:05:53.000 It's so bad it's not good bad.

02:05:55.000 No, like in the beginning you have a laugh and it's like, alright, I can see why this is gonna suck.

02:05:59.000 And then by the end of two hours you're like, no, I've just been hit in the head with a shovel.

02:06:04.000 It's not bad.

02:06:05.000 Yeah, it's really bad.

02:06:07.000 Wow.

02:06:08.000 And you're seeing all these people that have been in other things who are just not talking about it, you know, like Judy Dench and it's bad.

02:06:19.000 There's some other movie that came out recently that someone was saying was as bad as The Room.

02:06:26.000 Oh, really?

02:06:27.000 See if you can find that.

02:06:28.000 That was released?

02:06:29.000 Yeah, there was a whole article about it saying that this movie is so bad that it's good.

02:06:36.000 I didn't even finish typing it and it auto-completed.

02:06:39.000 What is it?

02:06:41.000 Now he's showing off his skills.

02:06:43.000 No, it finished up and says The Room is the worst movie ever made in Hollywood or something.

02:06:48.000 Yeah.

02:06:48.000 A movie as bad as The Room.

02:06:50.000 The one that shocked me that everyone said was so bad was Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly in that new one, right?

02:06:59.000 Was it true?

02:07:00.000 It was a Canadian movie so bad it rivals The Room.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, what is that?

02:07:03.000 It's called Ryan's Babe.

02:07:05.000 I don't know.

02:07:06.000 Never heard of it.

02:07:06.000 Is that a recent article?

02:07:07.000 Yeah, it's from four days ago.

02:07:09.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:07:09.000 Yeah.

02:07:10.000 People are telling me, you have to see this.

02:07:12.000 That's from 2000, that was that movie.

02:07:14.000 So it's not a new movie, but someone just discovered the trailer online.

02:07:18.000 But I figure you put Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly doing anything, and I'm in.

02:07:23.000 Right, should be.

02:07:24.000 And people really rebelled against it.

02:07:25.000 That girl's hot, though. 1.00

02:07:27.000 This looks pretty good.

02:07:28.000 She's in her underwear running around for some reason. 1.00

02:07:30.000 Perfect.

02:07:32.000 Oh, this is terrible.

02:07:33.000 Yeah, it's pretty good.

02:07:34.000 This looks really bad.

02:07:35.000 There's some rough edits in there.

02:07:37.000 So how are they going to redo Cats?

02:07:40.000 I don't know.

02:07:41.000 Are they going to re-edit?

02:07:42.000 I think they already did.

02:07:43.000 I think they re-edited it and then...

02:07:46.000 But if they re-edit it, everyone's going to know that it sucked so bad they had to re-edit it.

02:07:51.000 I've never heard of that.

02:07:52.000 Ever.

02:07:52.000 Never.

02:07:53.000 A movie gets released and they're like, you fucks!

02:07:55.000 They're like, okay, we'll fix it.

02:07:56.000 We'll be back in a week.

02:07:59.000 How much money has Cats lost?

02:08:01.000 What?

02:08:03.000 It almost happened with that Sonic movie.

02:08:05.000 They just didn't put it out.

02:08:06.000 They put out a trailer and the internet freaked out.

02:08:09.000 And they're like, oh, okay.

02:08:10.000 We'll redo it.

02:08:11.000 And they spent a bunch of money redoing it.

02:08:13.000 Sonic the Hedgehog?

02:08:14.000 Yeah.

02:08:14.000 It's coming out now.

02:08:15.000 It actually looks a little bit better.

02:08:17.000 They gave him better teeth or something.

02:08:19.000 Dude, it's hard, man.

02:08:20.000 Making a movie has got to be the most brutal thing ever.

02:08:22.000 So hard.

02:08:23.000 I've had guys in here that have poured their heart and soul into a movie for years.

02:08:28.000 Like Motherless Brooklyn. 0.95

02:08:29.000 I know.

02:08:30.000 I know.

02:08:31.000 Was it good?

02:08:32.000 I don't know, and I love him, and I love the subject matter.

02:08:36.000 God, he loved that movie, man.

02:08:38.000 He really did, and he put such heart and soul into the soundtrack, and I haven't seen it.

02:08:43.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

02:08:44.000 You know, sometimes...

02:08:46.000 Jesus Christ, Kat's headed for a $100 million box office loss.

02:08:51.000 What the fucking shit?

02:08:53.000 Oh my God.

02:08:54.000 Oh my God.

02:08:55.000 I just keep thinking about them all being at craft services and backstage.

02:08:59.000 This is pretty great, huh?

02:09:01.000 Have you seen that girl?

02:09:01.000 Eating some celery sticks just as a cat.

02:09:02.000 Rebel Wilson is committed to losing weight.

02:09:05.000 She's lost a ton of weight and people are mad at her. 0.99

02:09:07.000 Are they really?

02:09:08.000 Yeah, they're mad at her.

02:09:09.000 They like her being big.

02:09:10.000 They like her being big because she's big and I'm big and everyone's big and it's okay to be big.

02:09:15.000 And I heard it's healthy to be big.

02:09:16.000 And so people are criticizing her for losing weight. 0.57

02:09:19.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:09:20.000 They're criticizing Adele as well.

02:09:21.000 Oh, really?

02:09:22.000 Yeah, they said Adele, they're angry that Adele lost weight because they love the fact that she was this huge musical superstar and she was obese. 0.71

02:09:30.000 So she wanted to take care of her health.

02:09:32.000 She's trying to be healthy.

02:09:32.000 Live a little longer and then...

02:09:34.000 You're turning on us.

02:09:36.000 Well, she became a role model for certain people, I guess.

02:09:40.000 Be a role model for you to get healthy.

02:09:42.000 We can all get healthy.

02:09:43.000 Yeah, come on. 0.77

02:09:43.000 Stay away from Tom's bread. 0.77

02:09:44.000 Eat only meat.

02:09:45.000 Just don't eat it all the time.

02:09:47.000 You just don't eat this all the time.

02:09:48.000 Well, I didn't gain any weight this weekend.

02:09:51.000 Yeah.

02:09:51.000 I didn't gain any weight.

02:09:52.000 I ate all that shit.

02:09:53.000 And then I fasted Sunday night until Monday.

02:09:58.000 I went to yoga Monday morning.

02:09:59.000 Didn't eat until right before my first podcast.

02:10:03.000 And I didn't gain any weight at all.

02:10:05.000 It's great.

02:10:06.000 Yeah, but it's accumulative.

02:10:08.000 Moderation, moderation.

02:10:09.000 It's eating like shit.

02:10:10.000 But what was interesting was the pains.

02:10:13.000 Back pain, knee pain.

02:10:15.000 What is that?

02:10:15.000 It's inflammation.

02:10:17.000 It's inflammation.

02:10:18.000 Your body does not want to have to process all that stuff.

02:10:21.000 And they think that may be the root for many people of a lot of causes of pain and discomfort is just inflammation-heavy diet.

02:10:29.000 Right.

02:10:30.000 Sugar.

02:10:30.000 Right.

02:10:31.000 Sugar is the big one.

02:10:32.000 So if you get all of that out of your system, your body can, what, go to work on the stuff it has to go to work on?

02:10:37.000 Yeah, you get all that shit out of your system and your body doesn't experience inflammation from your food.

02:10:43.000 Right.

02:10:43.000 And if you're eating food that, like, you know, grass-fed beef, you know, or in my case, elk, you know, or yeah, I mean, I'm sure vegetables are not bad for you.

02:10:52.000 I just did it to try to find what, so I just did it to try to find out what it's like to only eat meat.

02:10:58.000 Right.

02:10:59.000 When you have no carbohydrates, one of the things that's most amazing is that there's no crashing.

02:11:04.000 You would eat and you don't feel any different after you ate other than the fact that you don't feel hungry.

02:11:09.000 Right.

02:11:10.000 Like, you don't crash.

02:11:11.000 Right.

02:11:11.000 There's no ups and downs and peaks and valleys.

02:11:14.000 My energy levels were amazing.

02:11:16.000 Really?

02:11:17.000 How quickly?

02:11:17.000 Extra energy.

02:11:18.000 How quickly?

02:11:19.000 Two weeks in.

02:11:20.000 Two weeks in, I noticed I felt amazing.

02:11:22.000 Really?

02:11:22.000 And I was shedding weight.

02:11:23.000 I was shedding a lot of weight.

02:11:25.000 I think I was like seven pounds down two weeks in.

02:11:27.000 Jeez.

02:11:28.000 Now I'm...

02:11:29.000 12 pounds down, 12-ish, something like that.

02:11:32.000 I was 193 this morning.

02:11:33.000 I was weighing about 205 before I started this diet.

02:11:37.000 Really?

02:11:37.000 Yeah.

02:11:38.000 Man, oh man.

02:11:38.000 I feel a lot better.

02:11:39.000 Like a lot better.

02:11:40.000 Really?

02:11:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:11:41.000 So what would you recommend?

02:11:44.000 Would you recommend people just do that?

02:11:46.000 Or do you think you moderate that?

02:11:47.000 I think for people who have an autoimmune disorder, I do believe there are certain people that have an adverse reaction to some plants, some foods.

02:11:56.000 That's what an elimination diet is all about.

02:11:58.000 It's like trying to find out what are the things that bother you.

02:12:01.000 But for me, what I did is I just took a lot of multivitamins.

02:12:04.000 I took a bunch of different vitamins and nutrients and supplements on top of this carnivore diet.

02:12:10.000 So I'm only eating meat, but then I'm taking all the essential vitamins and amino acids, and I'm also taking fish oil.

02:12:18.000 So I'm covering all my nutritional bases.

02:12:22.000 But I'm not doing it with food.

02:12:24.000 I'm not doing it with plants.

02:12:26.000 I'm only eating grass-fed meat or elk.

02:12:31.000 And then on top of that, I'm taking in fat from bacon.

02:12:35.000 I needed fat because elk in particular is very lean.

02:12:39.000 If I'm only eating elk.

02:12:40.000 If I eat grass-fed beef, I'm fine.

02:12:41.000 But with things like elk, you really do need some extra sources of fat.

02:12:45.000 If you don't have fat, would you start to feel bad?

02:12:47.000 Yeah, your body doesn't like it.

02:12:48.000 No.

02:12:49.000 Your body does not want a low-fat diet with low carbohydrates.

02:12:54.000 There's a thing called rabbit starvation.

02:12:55.000 Have you ever heard of that?

02:12:56.000 No.

02:12:57.000 People got that in Antarctica.

02:12:59.000 I think it was Antarctica.

02:13:00.000 In the cold climates where they were shooting rabbits and eating rabbits and they were literally starving to death even though they were eating all these rabbits because rabbits have no fat on them.

02:13:08.000 So they're only eating this lean protein.

02:13:11.000 Right.

02:13:11.000 But with no fat at all and you start feeling like shit.

02:13:14.000 Yeah.

02:13:15.000 Different explorers have found that too.

02:13:17.000 When they were living in places and trying to eat only the foods that they could harvest off the land, they were eating animals.

02:13:25.000 They had to take in fat.

02:13:26.000 If you don't take in fat, you feel really bad.

02:13:30.000 So you could balance it.

02:13:32.000 Would you say maybe 80%?

02:13:38.000 This is what I would say.

02:13:39.000 Try it.

02:13:40.000 Just try a carnivore diet.

02:13:42.000 Try it straight out.

02:13:43.000 Right.

02:13:44.000 And I think you'll be amazed at how good you feel.

02:13:46.000 Now, here's the thing.

02:13:47.000 Is that a honeymoon thing?

02:13:49.000 What is it like if you extend that to 90 days or 365 days?

02:13:56.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 You're going to feel like shit eventually?

02:13:58.000 Is it going to start breaking your body down?

02:14:00.000 I don't know.

02:14:01.000 I only have experience in 30 days.

02:14:03.000 But in my experience in 30 days, it was enormously beneficial.

02:14:06.000 You did say something in your post about a explosive diarrhea.

02:14:12.000 It needs to have a new name.

02:14:13.000 Diarrhea is not strong enough for what I was experiencing.

02:14:16.000 For real?

02:14:17.000 Yeah, it was like someone was tapping into an oil well.

02:14:21.000 I have pictures.

02:14:23.000 So why was that happening?

02:14:26.000 Well, I talked to Dr. Sean Baker.

02:14:28.000 He wrote a book on the carnivore diet.

02:14:30.000 He's a physician that's a carnivore diet advocate.

02:14:33.000 He's been eating this way for two years.

02:14:35.000 Two years?

02:14:35.000 Yep.

02:14:36.000 And he seems to think that it has to do with the colon adjusting to the fact your body doesn't have any dietary fiber.

02:14:41.000 So you're not taking in any rice or bread or anything that's going to absorb the water.

02:14:45.000 So your body's like, what do I do with all this liquid?

02:14:48.000 It's going out the asshole!

02:14:51.000 How long did that last?

02:14:53.000 Around two weeks.

02:14:54.000 Two weeks?

02:14:55.000 Two weeks of rocket fuel coming out of your booty hole.

02:14:58.000 Ah, jeez.

02:14:59.000 But if you get through it, you get through it.

02:15:02.000 And Tom Segur is going through it right now.

02:15:03.000 He is?

02:15:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:15:05.000 He sent me a text the other day saying, this diarrhea is astounding.

02:15:08.000 Ha! 0.89

02:15:09.000 Oh, no!

02:15:11.000 Oh, astonishing.

02:15:12.000 That's what he said.

02:15:12.000 Astonishing.

02:15:13.000 Oh, no.

02:15:13.000 It's not coffee, is it?

02:15:15.000 Because you guys both drink coffee.

02:15:16.000 I'm just asking just a general question.

02:15:18.000 I mean, some of you guys both intake a lot.

02:15:20.000 Bro, it could be all kinds of liquids.

02:15:22.000 Whatever kinds of liquids are coming out of your butt, it's not normal.

02:15:25.000 I was really getting excited about trying this.

02:15:28.000 But here's the thing.

02:15:29.000 At the end of that, it all goes away.

02:15:31.000 Right.

02:15:31.000 I mean, at the end of two weeks, my body adjusted, and now it's not a problem at all.

02:15:35.000 Really?

02:15:35.000 Yeah, not a problem at all.

02:15:37.000 Now...

02:15:38.000 So what's breakfast?

02:15:40.000 Steak.

02:15:41.000 Or eggs.

02:15:42.000 Sometimes like this morning it was steak.

02:15:45.000 Yesterday morning I ate six eggs.

02:15:47.000 Right.

02:15:48.000 Yeah.

02:15:48.000 Just woof those down.

02:15:50.000 Lunch?

02:15:50.000 I don't eat lunch.

02:15:51.000 Don't eat lunch.

02:15:52.000 Just usually two meals a day.

02:15:53.000 Right.

02:15:54.000 And then the second meal is usually steak.

02:15:56.000 No, the steak.

02:15:57.000 Either elk or a beef steak.

02:16:00.000 I think I've asked you this before, but whenever I think about these diet things, I always picture my family looking at me while they're eating pasta or eating...

02:16:08.000 Do you feel like an outlier at dinner with your family?

02:16:11.000 No, they knew what I was doing.

02:16:13.000 They made fun of me and shit.

02:16:14.000 Right.

02:16:14.000 It's no big deal.

02:16:15.000 Oh, what are you eating?

02:16:16.000 Steak?

02:16:17.000 Eat steak again?

02:16:18.000 Right.

02:16:18.000 My kids are hilarious.

02:16:19.000 Yeah, that's what I always...

02:16:21.000 My kids mock me too.

02:16:23.000 That's good.

02:16:24.000 That's healthy.

02:16:24.000 Yeah.

02:16:25.000 Yeah.

02:16:26.000 You know, they didn't mind.

02:16:28.000 Yeah?

02:16:28.000 Nobody bothered.

02:16:29.000 My wife didn't care. 1.00

02:16:30.000 Everyone knew I was doing it, so it was okay.

02:16:32.000 Right.

02:16:33.000 Yeah.

02:16:33.000 Your wife's not like, come on, have ice cream with us.

02:16:36.000 No.

02:16:38.000 No, boy, that'd be a problem if she was. 0.96

02:16:40.000 Yeah.

02:16:40.000 You know?

02:16:41.000 If it looks so good, like, damn, ice cream looks good.

02:16:43.000 Yeah.

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:44.000 No.

02:16:45.000 It was an eye-opener.

02:16:48.000 But here's the thing about that kind of stuff.

02:16:52.000 You kind of have to commit.

02:16:54.000 Like if you just say, I'm going to try to eat healthier.

02:16:57.000 It's too loosely defined.

02:16:58.000 I know.

02:16:59.000 I know.

02:16:59.000 I was doing the intermittent fasting and lost a good amount of weight.

02:17:05.000 And then it just kind of like plateaued.

02:17:07.000 And I feel like...

02:17:08.000 I'd like to be, you know, like 10 pounds lighter.

02:17:12.000 And it's...

02:17:12.000 I'm working out.

02:17:14.000 I'm doing all that stuff.

02:17:15.000 But I feel like it needs something to shock my system to go to a...

02:17:19.000 Nothing will shock your system like this carnivore diet.

02:17:22.000 Yeah.

02:17:22.000 Including your butthole.

02:17:23.000 But you will lose a lot of weight.

02:17:25.000 I lost...

02:17:26.000 I mean, I lost a legitimate 12 pounds of fat.

02:17:29.000 Wow.

02:17:30.000 Just fat.

02:17:30.000 My face got thinner.

02:17:31.000 Yeah.

02:17:32.000 You look thinner.

02:17:32.000 Like when I was washing my face, I would feel...

02:17:34.000 Actually, it feels a little fatter now because I went through Disneyland.

02:17:37.000 Yeah.

02:17:38.000 Some Disney chunks.

02:17:39.000 Disney.

02:17:39.000 I hate ice cream.

02:17:40.000 I hate a lot of dessert.

02:17:41.000 And you just had bread.

02:17:43.000 Actually, not really any fatter, but joking around.

02:17:45.000 Maybe I'm a little swollen.

02:17:46.000 No, you look leaner.

02:17:48.000 For real.

02:17:49.000 I was getting fat.

02:17:51.000 I was developing a gut.

02:17:52.000 We did this weigh-in thing, and so many people mocked me.

02:17:56.000 I was getting a gut though.

02:17:57.000 My stomach was like hanging out.

02:17:59.000 And also when we came in here to do that, it was December 23rd and my family was in town and we had eaten like pigs that day.

02:18:07.000 Right.

02:18:07.000 I was considerably bloated with food as well.

02:18:11.000 Because it was nighttime.

02:18:12.000 We had a nighttime podcast.

02:18:13.000 It was like 10 o'clock or something like that.

02:18:14.000 Right.

02:18:14.000 Pretty late podcast.

02:18:16.000 Yeah.

02:18:17.000 When we all took our clothes off and got on the scale.

02:18:19.000 So I knew I was probably going to do the carnivore diet anywhere, but that was like, yeah, let's just do it.

02:18:24.000 Let's just do it.

02:18:25.000 Let's go.

02:18:25.000 Set it in my head.

02:18:26.000 Right.

02:18:27.000 Let's just do it.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 So knowing that for the month of January, that was all that I was going to eat, that really helps if you're going to try to stick to something.

02:18:35.000 To have like a real solid schedule.

02:18:38.000 Right.

02:18:38.000 Like sober October is another perfect example for me.

02:18:42.000 Lent.

02:18:42.000 Yeah, when we do Sober October, we have one month, no booze, no pot, no nothing.

02:18:47.000 There's something good about that, where you have that month.

02:18:50.000 Because it takes it out all that kind of mushy brain stuff of, oh, but maybe I'll just now, or we're celebrating.

02:18:57.000 Yeah, we need a certain amount of rigidity occasionally.

02:19:00.000 Yeah.

02:19:00.000 That's how you get shit done.

02:19:01.000 Yeah.

02:19:02.000 And, I mean, even if you are, like, writing, if you said, I am going to write every day for the month of February.

02:19:07.000 Yeah.

02:19:07.000 Every day.

02:19:08.000 There's something to that.

02:19:10.000 It's the routine.

02:19:10.000 Yeah, so something really beneficial.

02:19:12.000 I'm going to write for one half an hour every day.

02:19:15.000 If you do that, you get things done.

02:19:17.000 It's really true.

02:19:18.000 If you just decide, I'm going to go on a carnivore diet for the next 30 days starting right now, and just count down on your calendar 30 days from now, you'll fucking lose weight and you'll feel amazing.

02:19:28.000 Yeah, I'm going to do it.

02:19:29.000 I just don't know if it's a way to eat all the time.

02:19:31.000 No, that's the thing.

02:19:32.000 It seems like an extreme thing that I would not be willing to maintain.

02:19:36.000 Well, you're the breadmaster.

02:19:37.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:19:38.000 You're the sultan of sourdough.

02:19:39.000 That's why I want balance.

02:19:41.000 I'm always searching for the right balance.

02:19:42.000 I think a great move is six days on, one day off.

02:19:47.000 That's what I think.

02:19:48.000 Six days on a rigid diet, one day where you look forward to eating bread and pasta and drinking whatever you want and having ice cream.

02:19:58.000 One day.

02:19:59.000 That was the question.

02:20:00.000 You just reminded me of the question.

02:20:02.000 No booze during that month?

02:20:03.000 I drank booze.

02:20:04.000 You did?

02:20:04.000 Yes.

02:20:05.000 Still lost all that weight.

02:20:07.000 But I don't drink a lot.

02:20:08.000 I drink like a glass of wine with dinner, maybe two glasses.

02:20:11.000 Yeah, that's all I was thinking about.

02:20:13.000 Sometimes before I go on stage, I have a shot of whiskey.

02:20:15.000 Right.

02:20:15.000 Yeah.

02:20:16.000 So it's not a lot.

02:20:17.000 Right.

02:20:17.000 You know, if it's more than two drinks a night, it's unusual.

02:20:21.000 You're cool with whiskey and then going on stage?

02:20:23.000 Woo! 0.99

02:20:23.000 I like it. 0.99

02:20:24.000 You do?

02:20:25.000 I like it.

02:20:27.000 You don't feel like you're used to it.

02:20:30.000 I would feel, whenever I drink before I go on stage, I just feel like a little off.

02:20:35.000 I feel on.

02:20:36.000 You do?

02:20:37.000 Yeah, I like it.

02:20:38.000 Even when I film, I do a shot right before I film.

02:20:41.000 Oh, yeah?

02:20:42.000 Really?

02:20:44.000 One shot.

02:20:45.000 Yeah.

02:20:46.000 Really?

02:20:47.000 That's interesting.

02:20:49.000 Good shot of Buffalo Trace whiskey down the old pipe.

02:20:52.000 And you're good to go.

02:20:53.000 Come on.

02:20:55.000 That's wild liquid.

02:20:57.000 Whiskey's wild liquid.

02:20:58.000 It is wild.

02:20:59.000 It's wild liquid.

02:21:00.000 Right.

02:21:00.000 You wanna get wild?

02:21:01.000 That's wild liquid.

02:21:02.000 It's wild fuel.

02:21:03.000 I don't know if I wanna be wild.

02:21:06.000 We have different styles, too, you know?

02:21:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:09.000 It also helps me deviate when I'm writing on stage.

02:21:14.000 If I'm fucking around on stage, it helps me deviate.

02:21:16.000 I go off on a tangent.

02:21:18.000 A little more courageous?

02:21:19.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:21:20.000 Or a little more reckless, maybe is a better word.

02:21:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:23.000 And what about weed, though, in that same situation?

02:21:25.000 Yeah, that same thing.

02:21:26.000 I like weed for that, too.

02:21:27.000 That doesn't make you more timid on stage?

02:21:30.000 No.

02:21:30.000 No?

02:21:31.000 It makes me nicer.

02:21:33.000 Right.

02:21:34.000 But I don't think it makes me more timid.

02:21:35.000 Right.

02:21:36.000 Weed makes me nicer.

02:21:37.000 Yeah.

02:21:38.000 That's one of the things I like about weed.

02:21:39.000 Like, I need more things that make me nicer.

02:21:42.000 To make you nicer?

02:21:43.000 Yeah, it helps me.

02:21:44.000 When you look at yourself, you think that you could be mean sometimes?

02:21:48.000 Not necessarily mean, but I am naturally aggressive.

02:21:52.000 Right.

02:21:52.000 Yeah.

02:21:53.000 Right.

02:21:53.000 Yeah.

02:21:53.000 And that makes you a little bit more...

02:21:55.000 Let's calm this fucking ride down.

02:21:58.000 Right.

02:22:01.000 Let's realize, like, we only have a certain amount of time left.

02:22:04.000 Yeah.

02:22:04.000 When I get high, I want to call my friends and tell them I love them.

02:22:06.000 Right.

02:22:07.000 That's what I want to do.

02:22:08.000 I know.

02:22:09.000 You know?

02:22:09.000 I want to hug people.

02:22:11.000 Just want to be around them.

02:22:12.000 Yeah.

02:22:13.000 I want to be nicer.

02:22:14.000 I know, it is good, but I don't know.

02:22:17.000 How do you feel?

02:22:17.000 I haven't performed high in a long time.

02:22:19.000 How about tonight?

02:22:19.000 When are you up?

02:22:21.000 I'm not up tonight.

02:22:22.000 You're not up?

02:22:23.000 I'll be up on Thursday.

02:22:24.000 Thursday?

02:22:25.000 What are you doing tonight?

02:22:26.000 Chillaxing? 0.92

02:22:27.000 Yeah, chillaxing.

02:22:28.000 It's kind of uncomfortable because my wife has people over because my special airs tonight.

02:22:34.000 Oh, to watch your special?

02:22:35.000 You have to sit with them?

02:22:37.000 No, they're going to do it, and I'm going to, I don't know, sit in the yard with a cigar.

02:22:41.000 I don't know what I'm going to do.

02:22:42.000 Don't be there for that.

02:22:43.000 I can't.

02:22:44.000 Ew.

02:22:44.000 I can't.

02:22:45.000 Why is she doing that in your house? 1.00

02:22:46.000 She's so excited.

02:22:48.000 Oh, that's nice.

02:22:48.000 It is.

02:22:49.000 It's nice.

02:22:49.000 They're all excited.

02:22:50.000 They all want to do it, but I can't watch it.

02:22:52.000 Of course you can't watch it.

02:22:53.000 You know?

02:22:54.000 Yeah.

02:22:55.000 I'll be in the other room listening if they're really laughing or not, judging their laughs.

02:23:00.000 That's terrible.

02:23:00.000 Isn't that hard?

02:23:01.000 That's a bad feeling, man.

02:23:02.000 You don't want that in your life.

02:23:03.000 Yeah.

02:23:03.000 But I do feel, especially now, that that's all done and I'm moving into new territory, that the weed kind of can play a good role.

02:23:13.000 Yes, for sure.

02:23:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:15.000 How much material do you have set aside for your new stand-up?

02:23:20.000 I've only got about 20. That's good, though.

02:23:23.000 When did you film?

02:23:24.000 October.

02:23:25.000 Oh, so you gave yourself some time.

02:23:27.000 That's nice.

02:23:28.000 Yeah.

02:23:28.000 November, December, January, four solid months.

02:23:30.000 That's good.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:31.000 So I've got this new direction, a new area of stuff, but it shrinks the more you do it.

02:23:38.000 Yeah.

02:23:39.000 And this special was going to come out a little later, so I thought I had more time, but then they moved it up.

02:23:46.000 Isn't that exciting, though, when you're scared?

02:23:49.000 Yo, when you're on stage.

02:23:50.000 You don't want to do your material.

02:23:52.000 You're scared.

02:23:53.000 You've got to write new premises.

02:23:55.000 Yeah, I was thinking about it the other day.

02:23:57.000 You always feel like a young comic because you're always putting yourself back in a vulnerable position.

02:24:03.000 It doesn't matter how experienced anyone is.

02:24:06.000 You go out there and I'm going to do all this new stuff.

02:24:09.000 You're a child again.

02:24:10.000 You have no weapons.

02:24:11.000 Which is great.

02:24:12.000 It makes you youthful.

02:24:13.000 It makes you like, okay, we're still like a kid.

02:24:16.000 It's like, no, I've been doing this for 20 years.

02:24:18.000 Yeah, it's a great aspect of stand-up comedy when you do a lot of specials because it keeps you humble.

02:24:23.000 Yeah.

02:24:23.000 It really does.

02:24:24.000 And it keeps you appreciative of the art form.

02:24:26.000 You never get complacent.

02:24:27.000 Well, that's the coolest thing about this era of comedy.

02:24:31.000 And I think that's how Netflix changed the game by having so many people put out so much content that's seen by a lot of people.

02:24:40.000 It's making everybody get on their game and write more.

02:24:44.000 The era of getting a headliner set and just rolling for 20 years is gone.

02:24:50.000 So it's actually taken the whole art form and pushed it further.

02:24:55.000 It's great.

02:24:56.000 Yeah.

02:24:57.000 It really is.

02:24:57.000 It is.

02:24:58.000 This is the golden era.

02:24:59.000 It's such a good moment.

02:25:00.000 It's such a good moment.

02:25:01.000 And so many different voices coming in.

02:25:03.000 Yeah.

02:25:04.000 From so many different places, just not only in the culture, but from around the world.

02:25:08.000 Have you seen Ronnie Chang?

02:25:09.000 Yes.

02:25:10.000 Fucking hilarious.

02:25:11.000 He's great.

02:25:12.000 So different.

02:25:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:25:14.000 I love it.

02:25:14.000 On stage with a suit, real angry and shit.

02:25:17.000 Yeah.

02:25:17.000 Fucking great.

02:25:18.000 I want to talk to him, man.

02:25:19.000 He's a cool guy.

02:25:20.000 I know him.

02:25:20.000 I gotta get him in here.

02:25:21.000 Do you know him?

02:25:21.000 Yeah, I know him.

02:25:22.000 I gotta get him in here.

02:25:23.000 Alright, I'll reach out to him.

02:25:24.000 I enjoyed his act.

02:25:25.000 Yeah.

02:25:25.000 I enjoyed it.

02:25:26.000 He's a good guy, too.

02:25:27.000 And it was like, he didn't remind me of anybody.

02:25:30.000 Right.

02:25:30.000 Right, exactly.

02:25:31.000 Setups, delivery, punchlines, premises, all of it seemed like unique.

02:25:34.000 Yeah.

02:25:35.000 I mean, recognizable and relatable, but unique.

02:25:38.000 Right, exactly.

02:25:39.000 I mean, that's what's so cool.

02:25:41.000 The whole globe has opened up.

02:25:43.000 It's like all these voices from all this different stuff.

02:25:46.000 It's a fucking great time to be alive.

02:25:47.000 It really is.

02:25:48.000 It is.

02:25:49.000 And this art form, you know, I've been thinking about this a lot, and I really think I'm going to do something about this.

02:25:54.000 I want to document how everybody does it.

02:25:57.000 Because I think this is the only art form that is a global, worldwide art form that's enjoyed by everybody.

02:26:06.000 Yeah.

02:26:07.000 That's not really documented.

02:26:08.000 Yeah.

02:26:09.000 Right?

02:26:09.000 Like, musicians.

02:26:11.000 It's documented how they write songs.

02:26:13.000 It's documented how you learn to play music.

02:26:16.000 You can go to school for it.

02:26:18.000 Yeah.

02:26:22.000 When you're a comic, man, you've got to kind of figure it out on your own.

02:26:26.000 And I think we would all benefit from some sort of documentation, and particularly for the people coming up.

02:26:33.000 The girls and guys coming up that are learning how to do stand-up now would benefit tremendously from a guy like you breaking down how you do it, how you started, what's different now.

02:26:44.000 Right.

02:26:45.000 So I'm thinking about doing a series.

02:26:46.000 Okay.

02:26:47.000 Oh yeah?

02:26:47.000 Yeah, and I'm probably going to put it on YouTube.

02:26:49.000 Like a podcast and do it like a podcast, but call it the Comedy Creation Series.

02:26:55.000 Ah, I'd love to be a part of that.

02:26:57.000 Yeah, I want to get everybody, as many people as I can.

02:27:00.000 Tell me how you started, when did you start, what year, what was your first club, and just break down how you do it.

02:27:09.000 Yeah, that's a great thing, because it's so varied.

02:27:11.000 Yes!

02:27:12.000 You know, from doing the show with Fortune.

02:27:14.000 Shout out to Fortune Femster. 1.00

02:27:17.000 She's hilarious.

02:27:18.000 Yeah, her special's up right now.

02:27:19.000 Is it?

02:27:19.000 On what?

02:27:20.000 Sweet and salty.

02:27:22.000 Netflix.

02:27:22.000 Netflix as well?

02:27:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:27:24.000 She's so great.

02:27:25.000 And we're interviewing all these comedians.

02:27:28.000 We had Jesus Trejo came in today.

02:27:30.000 I love him.

02:27:30.000 Love him.

02:27:31.000 And it's such a unique story.

02:27:34.000 So different.

02:27:35.000 Yeah.

02:27:36.000 You know, his parents coming from Mexico.

02:27:37.000 He's got to care for them.

02:27:39.000 He goes down to Mexico where there's like this new scene coming up of Spanish-speaking comedians.

02:27:45.000 I mean, that story, you put that one and then you talk to, you know, Ryan Hamilton.

02:27:51.000 Two totally different planets.

02:27:53.000 Yep.

02:27:53.000 All in the same form.

02:27:54.000 Yep.

02:27:55.000 It would be great to watch.

02:27:56.000 Fuck yeah.

02:27:57.000 It would be amazing.

02:27:57.000 It would be really good.

02:27:59.000 The world needs to know how these fucking people do these things. 0.99

02:28:02.000 Yeah.

02:28:02.000 Because it's like...

02:28:04.000 If you don't know anybody that can sit down and talk to you about how they do it, it takes too long to figure it out.

02:28:12.000 Oh, completely.

02:28:13.000 Completely.

02:28:14.000 Like if you're in Pittsburgh, I don't know what kind of scene Pittsburgh has.

02:28:18.000 Right.

02:28:18.000 I'm sure it's got some kind of a scene, but how many people really?

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:21.000 And how many really good ones are still there that you can really learn from?

02:28:26.000 Right.

02:28:26.000 How do you find out?

02:28:27.000 Yeah.

02:28:28.000 No, I know.

02:28:29.000 That's a good thing.

02:28:30.000 I mean, when Seinfeld put out the documentary, people still listen to, watch comedian, like young comics.

02:28:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:38.000 Because there's very few roadmaps out there.

02:28:40.000 There's very few glimpses into how someone is doing it and how they're working.

02:28:45.000 There's been other stuff where people will show themselves on stage and they're just backstage drinking or just going about their day like a road trip.

02:28:53.000 Doc kind of a thing.

02:28:54.000 But very few about process.

02:28:58.000 Yeah.

02:28:58.000 Very few.

02:28:59.000 Yeah, process and how much you've adjusted.

02:29:03.000 What do you do differently now?

02:29:04.000 What do you think about your old stuff?

02:29:06.000 What would you do differently if you could start over again?

02:29:08.000 Yeah.

02:29:09.000 Yeah.

02:29:10.000 It's good stuff.

02:29:11.000 Yeah, it's a weird art form in that it really doesn't have a class you can take.

02:29:17.000 Nope.

02:29:18.000 Well, they have classes.

02:29:20.000 They don't really.

02:29:23.000 You know what those classes are good for?

02:29:24.000 Getting you on stage.

02:29:25.000 They're good for that.

02:29:26.000 Yeah.

02:29:27.000 I mean, very few classes are taught by legit comics.

02:29:30.000 Right.

02:29:31.000 Maybe there's some of them out there that I'm not aware of, but every class that I've ever seen has been taught by scrubs.

02:29:36.000 Right.

02:29:38.000 They're probably going to give you bad advice.

02:29:39.000 Rick Crome does one in New York.

02:29:41.000 Remember Rick Crome from The Cellar?

02:29:43.000 No, I don't.

02:29:43.000 He's great.

02:29:45.000 He's been around a long time.

02:29:46.000 That's very valuable.

02:29:47.000 He's like a real thoughtful...

02:29:52.000 Practitioner of it all.

02:29:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:29:54.000 And I've seen him, just glimpses of him, like when he'd be teaching downstairs at the cellar.

02:29:59.000 And it was like, okay, this is legit.

02:30:01.000 But then you see some names of other people who are out there doing it, and you're like, oh, man.

02:30:07.000 I would imagine it's good for you, too, to teach.

02:30:09.000 Because you can kind of think about the art form more.

02:30:13.000 That would be really interesting.

02:30:14.000 I don't know if I could teach it.

02:30:16.000 Could you?

02:30:16.000 Could you...

02:30:17.000 I don't know if you...

02:30:18.000 Take some young... 0.60

02:30:19.000 You'd have to be really careful.

02:30:21.000 Yeah.

02:30:21.000 Because you don't want to mold someone into your style.

02:30:24.000 That would be the temptation.

02:30:26.000 Yeah.

02:30:27.000 Just do it like this.

02:30:28.000 Yeah.

02:30:29.000 Just tell them, fuck you, bitch. 1.00

02:30:33.000 But I'm an observational comedian.

02:30:36.000 Not anymore, you're not.

02:30:37.000 Yeah.

02:30:38.000 Yeah, but other things when you learn how to teach, it's better.

02:30:43.000 Like, I got way better at Taekwondo when I was learning how to teach.

02:30:46.000 Because I was teaching through most of my competition days.

02:30:50.000 And it's one of the reasons why I think I got so good.

02:30:53.000 Because I was breaking down the technique constantly.

02:30:55.000 I wasn't just doing it.

02:30:57.000 I was breaking it down for beginners and showing them.

02:30:59.000 So I made sure that my technique is very good.

02:31:02.000 It's like, in my martial arts...

02:31:09.000 Right.

02:31:12.000 Right.

02:31:33.000 Another cool part about this era is that people are staying comedians longer, right?

02:31:41.000 Where people would...

02:31:42.000 Do comedy, they get blown out to a TV show or something, because economically, just to stay a comedian wasn't really feasible.

02:31:51.000 But now you can actually make a living, and it's actually a more valued thing in the culture.

02:31:56.000 This is the first wave of guys staying in it for their whole career, and not wanting to get out.

02:32:02.000 They're not looking at it as a way to get out of it.

02:32:06.000 Someone was just asking about that.

02:32:07.000 Like, what was the last person that you know that had a special around the year 2000 that's out of the game now?

02:32:14.000 Right.

02:32:15.000 Like, completely quit comedy.

02:32:17.000 Right.

02:32:18.000 Who completely quits comedy?

02:32:20.000 Yeah.

02:32:21.000 Not anymore.

02:32:22.000 It's just too easy.

02:32:23.000 You know, just think about those...

02:32:26.000 You know, afternoon diner trips and going to the movies, and you're like, oh, all that goes away if I get a job job?

02:32:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:33.000 And the only way you would do it is if you're not making enough money, so then you would have to get a job job.

02:32:37.000 Right, right.

02:32:38.000 Yeah.

02:32:39.000 Yeah, but no, I mean, you know, even Eddie Murphy, he's seeing what it's become.

02:32:46.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 He's got to be regretting it at some point of like, why did I leave?

02:32:49.000 Why did I stop doing it?

02:32:51.000 Maybe, but, I mean, he made a lot of fucking great movies.

02:32:55.000 He did, for real.

02:32:57.000 I think he grew as a human being, you know?

02:32:59.000 Look, no regrets.

02:33:01.000 You could still see just when he was just hosting, it just pops out of him.

02:33:06.000 He's a volcano of comedy.

02:33:09.000 If he had kept cracking at it all this time, though, you know what I mean?

02:33:13.000 Even like a little bit, it would have been good for me.

02:33:17.000 It would have been good for me to watch.

02:33:19.000 It would have been, but it will be great to see what he does now because he's kind of committed to it.

02:33:26.000 I think he signed a deal with Netflix for two specials.

02:33:29.000 Oh, for two?

02:33:30.000 I believe so.

02:33:31.000 I believe that's what I read.

02:33:32.000 Let's see if that's correct.

02:33:33.000 One-handed type of genius.

02:33:35.000 Yeah.

02:33:36.000 That would be cool.

02:33:37.000 I think they gave him a shit ton of money.

02:33:40.000 I could only imagine.

02:33:41.000 Dolomite.

02:33:41.000 I haven't seen it.

02:33:42.000 I heard it's awesome.

02:33:42.000 So good.

02:33:43.000 Is it?

02:33:43.000 So good.

02:33:44.000 Got a huge response from people.

02:33:46.000 How he's not nominated is, you know...

02:33:50.000 Fuck the nominations.

02:33:50.000 Fuck off.

02:33:50.000 I know, but still, he really should have been.

02:33:54.000 Fuck off.

02:33:54.000 Ricky Gervais should host every award show from now to the end of time.

02:33:58.000 I know.

02:33:58.000 Just to let all those twats know.

02:34:00.000 We're on to you.

02:34:01.000 We're on to you.

02:34:03.000 Climate change is real.

02:34:04.000 Fuck off.

02:34:05.000 Get out of here with your golden man statue.

02:34:08.000 Sit down.

02:34:09.000 Taking a private jet everywhere.

02:34:10.000 Fuck off.

02:34:12.000 He was so good.

02:34:13.000 He was one of the best performances I saw this year for sure.

02:34:17.000 Dolomite.

02:34:17.000 Yeah.

02:34:17.000 I need to see it.

02:34:18.000 I haven't seen it.

02:34:19.000 You do.

02:34:19.000 He's brilliant.

02:34:20.000 He's brilliant and it's comedy.

02:34:22.000 It's so good.

02:34:23.000 Jamie says just one special.

02:34:24.000 One special?

02:34:25.000 Yeah.

02:34:26.000 They're going to give him a shit ton of loot, and I hope he works it out.

02:34:29.000 Could be a movie or something, because they did Dolomite.

02:34:33.000 Oh, right, a movie and a special.

02:34:36.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

02:34:37.000 Yeah, it's going to be work, you know, unless he hires a bunch of writers to craft the bits, and then that won't be right anyway.

02:34:44.000 You know, you really need the work.

02:34:45.000 You need to be on those stages.

02:34:47.000 Yeah.

02:34:48.000 Ellen...

02:34:49.000 Did it.

02:34:50.000 How was it?

02:34:51.000 It was good.

02:34:51.000 Was it good?

02:34:52.000 I didn't hear anything about it.

02:34:53.000 It didn't look like she had taken off for decades.

02:34:57.000 It certainly didn't.

02:34:58.000 Well, she does her show all the time, so she does do that monologue. 0.99

02:35:01.000 She does.

02:35:02.000 But, you know, stand-up, stand-up.

02:35:04.000 Don't you think the monologue is like stand-up light, though?

02:35:07.000 Mm-hmm.

02:35:08.000 Yeah.

02:35:09.000 Like Jay Leno.

02:35:10.000 Yeah.

02:35:10.000 Right?

02:35:11.000 He was always doing those monologues, but then he would do stand-up on Sunday nights, and then he'd do corporate gigs.

02:35:15.000 Yeah.

02:35:16.000 Yeah, right, exactly.

02:35:17.000 But he wasn't banging it out in the clubs every day like us.

02:35:19.000 No.

02:35:20.000 He's still going now, though.

02:35:22.000 I talked to Bill Maher, had him in here.

02:35:23.000 Yeah.

02:35:24.000 And he was repulsed by the idea of going to the clubs.

02:35:26.000 It's like, ugh, why would I do that?

02:35:28.000 Like, literally.

02:35:29.000 I'm like, you don't want to go to the clubs?

02:35:30.000 Yeah, why not?

02:35:30.000 He's like, no way.

02:35:31.000 I'm done.

02:35:32.000 I escaped.

02:35:33.000 I'm out.

02:35:33.000 Yeah.

02:35:34.000 I'm like, but it's the greatest way.

02:35:36.000 Like, you hang out with comics.

02:35:37.000 You get to do stand-up.

02:35:38.000 Yeah.

02:35:39.000 It just seems like low rent.

02:35:42.000 Yeah.

02:35:42.000 I don't know, man.

02:35:44.000 I mean, sometimes people have their own audience and that's all they want.

02:35:48.000 Right.

02:35:48.000 They don't want to go, like a show at the store, like tonight I'll go up at the store and there'll be 14 other people on the lineup.

02:35:57.000 Right.

02:35:57.000 And there's people there to see every one of those people.

02:36:00.000 Yeah, right.

02:36:00.000 So they're not just there to see you, they're there to see comedy.

02:36:03.000 That's what's great.

02:36:04.000 Yeah.

02:36:04.000 They might not be into you at all.

02:36:06.000 Yeah.

02:36:06.000 It's like going to the gym.

02:36:08.000 No one wants to really go to the gym.

02:36:09.000 It's hard at the gym.

02:36:10.000 Exactly.

02:36:11.000 But then you start to love at the gym.

02:36:12.000 It seems like, you know, I talked to Burr about this, and he's in agreement.

02:36:15.000 He believes that you have to do it.

02:36:17.000 He's like, that's the only way.

02:36:18.000 The only way.

02:36:19.000 You gotta go to the clubs.

02:36:21.000 I'm like, I think so, too.

02:36:22.000 He goes, nobody else that doesn't go to the clubs really kills.

02:36:25.000 Right.

02:36:26.000 Yeah, you can get through it.

02:36:27.000 You can do a monologue.

02:36:29.000 You can recite a monologue.

02:36:31.000 But you're missing all of that high-impact stuff in between.

02:36:36.000 You also run the risk of being funny because people love you.

02:36:39.000 Yeah.

02:36:40.000 The people that love you, that come to see you, they're your crowd.

02:36:42.000 Right.

02:36:42.000 And you run that risk.

02:36:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:36:44.000 Maybe you can pull it through.

02:36:45.000 Brian Regan may be different.

02:36:47.000 He might be an exception to that rule, because I don't think he goes to clubs and he still murders.

02:36:51.000 He does.

02:36:52.000 But he's out there performing all the time.

02:36:54.000 All the time.

02:36:55.000 Nonstop.

02:36:55.000 Nonstop, yeah.

02:36:56.000 And he treats, you know, he's in a good position where he's beloved, where he can treat a set in front of 3,000 people and He'll kill, but also be able to work his stuff out within that set.

02:37:08.000 Yeah, he'll work out new stuff.

02:37:10.000 He's a unique guy, right?

02:37:11.000 Because he's super popular with his crowd, but he doesn't have a problem with being famous.

02:37:19.000 He can go anywhere.

02:37:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:21.000 No, absolutely.

02:37:22.000 Yeah, there's people outside of the comedy-loving world that don't know who he is.

02:37:28.000 No.

02:37:28.000 Which is astounding to all of us, right?

02:37:31.000 Yeah.

02:37:31.000 But that's how fragmented the culture is.

02:37:34.000 Like, when we were talking about if you're just watching one news or watching one kind of thing, it's like where everyone's in their own little bubble.

02:37:40.000 You know, there's, you know, Joe Coy is selling out, you know, the forum.

02:37:45.000 Yeah.

02:37:45.000 And my parents will have no idea who he is.

02:37:47.000 Multiple shows, I think, too.

02:37:49.000 I think he did two shows at the Forum.

02:37:50.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

02:37:51.000 Like, we're such a big, massive, entertainment-eating colossus that people can be huge and be invisible at the same time.

02:38:00.000 Like Sebastian.

02:38:01.000 Yeah.

02:38:02.000 Sebastian sells out four shows at Madison Square Garden.

02:38:04.000 Sometimes I have to explain who he is to people.

02:38:06.000 Right.

02:38:07.000 Like, how do you not know?

02:38:08.000 Isn't it weird?

02:38:09.000 But meanwhile, he can go places.

02:38:10.000 Yeah.

02:38:11.000 It's really a beautiful balance.

02:38:12.000 Yeah.

02:38:12.000 He can go to the mall.

02:38:13.000 Nobody gives a fuck.

02:38:14.000 Yeah.

02:38:15.000 You know?

02:38:16.000 Yeah.

02:38:16.000 Taylor Swift can't do that.

02:38:18.000 I was watching a documentary.

02:38:19.000 I should say my kids were watching a Taylor Swift documentary.

02:38:22.000 I watched it last night with my daughter.

02:38:24.000 Dude, there's a beginning of it when she walks on stage in the stadium and you see all the fucking people with their lighters on and everything.

02:38:31.000 Wow.

02:38:32.000 I guess it's not lighters.

02:38:33.000 It's the light from their cell phones, right?

02:38:34.000 From their phones or something.

02:38:35.000 But yeah, I know the shot you're talking about.

02:38:37.000 It's crazy.

02:38:37.000 It's bonkers.

02:38:38.000 But what was so cool about it was...

02:38:40.000 Watching her as a 13-year-old learning to write songs, she's just, she works.

02:38:46.000 She does.

02:38:47.000 She works.

02:38:47.000 That's got to be an incredibly bizarre place to be.

02:38:51.000 Her existence.

02:38:52.000 Her life.

02:38:52.000 Yeah, her life.

02:38:53.000 Because she's young.

02:38:54.000 I know.

02:38:55.000 How old is she now? 0.92

02:38:56.000 29 in that documentary.

02:38:58.000 So she's been hugely famous for how many years now?

02:39:02.000 16, I think, is when she came on the scene.

02:39:06.000 Yeah.

02:39:07.000 13 years.

02:39:08.000 And those are very formative years.

02:39:11.000 I know.

02:39:11.000 She seems like she handles it pretty well.

02:39:14.000 I mean, that's what...

02:39:14.000 From the documentary, it was...

02:39:16.000 I was really impressed.

02:39:17.000 Yeah.

02:39:18.000 How good of a songwriter she was.

02:39:20.000 Like, watching her come up with stuff.

02:39:22.000 She's obviously so practiced and knows what she wants to do.

02:39:26.000 And just the way she was coming up with stuff as she was on the fly.

02:39:29.000 Maybe that's the key...

02:39:30.000 Maybe the key is you have to really be obsessed with your work and doing what you want to do.

02:39:35.000 100%.

02:39:36.000 Like Prince.

02:39:37.000 100%.

02:39:37.000 They are making the stuff.

02:39:40.000 They're not putting things.

02:39:42.000 They actually have a craft that they can go to work on.

02:39:46.000 She's a writer. 0.76

02:39:47.000 Totally.

02:39:49.000 A really good writer.

02:39:51.000 Yeah.

02:39:51.000 And all that noise, you know, she was obviously just even from the glimpse that they showed us in the documentary, dealing with weight and the fame and the Kanye stuff.

02:40:01.000 Weight?

02:40:02.000 Yeah, she would see pictures of herself and stop eating.

02:40:06.000 What?

02:40:06.000 Yeah.

02:40:06.000 Really?

02:40:07.000 Is that in the documentary?

02:40:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:40:08.000 I only watched it for like two minutes.

02:40:10.000 I walked in, my kids were watching, I'm like, I gotta get out of here before I get infected.

02:40:14.000 No, it was pretty good.

02:40:15.000 I liked it.

02:40:16.000 I'm sure.

02:40:17.000 I was impressed by her.

02:40:18.000 I really was.

02:40:18.000 That's a bummer, though, that she's always been so skinny.

02:40:21.000 Well, everyone's got stuff they've got to deal with, but the thing that, like you said, it's a weird place to be, but...

02:40:27.000 That she can go and write songs and go and perform them, that seems like she's got something tangible, meaningful, that will get her through that tumble.

02:40:38.000 Right.

02:40:38.000 It's not like a pop star where a corporation puts together your look and your songs and your thing and your this and your that.

02:40:45.000 She's doing it all herself.

02:40:46.000 Yeah.

02:40:47.000 You're not just the guitarist.

02:40:48.000 Someone else is writing the songs and doing all this stuff and you're just doing drugs and shredding once in a while.

02:40:55.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:56.000 It's important to have something that you do.

02:40:58.000 It can be something small and stupid, but it really gives you your life meaning.

02:41:02.000 And without it, it doesn't have to be this big performance stuff or stuff that gets you a lot of money.

02:41:08.000 Like a little hobby, a little craft, a little something you can go to sleep thinking about.

02:41:14.000 I don't know why, but it's an important part about being a human being.

02:41:18.000 Well, I think you nailed it.

02:41:20.000 It gives you meaning.

02:41:22.000 Like, you're working towards something.

02:41:24.000 You're working at something.

02:41:25.000 Yeah.

02:41:26.000 Yeah.

02:41:26.000 It shuts the noise out as you're thinking about this thing that you're actually getting better at.

02:41:32.000 Yeah, and then you get the satisfaction, seeing the progress.

02:41:34.000 Yeah.

02:41:35.000 Yeah.

02:41:36.000 And, I mean, she's, you know, as big as they get. 0.75

02:41:40.000 But then she can crank out these songs, and you can see, like, this comm come over her as she's doing that part of it.

02:41:45.000 Yeah.

02:41:46.000 Yeah, it was pretty cool to watch.

02:41:48.000 Tom Papa, Taylor Swift fan.

02:41:50.000 There you go.

02:41:51.000 I was definitely watching my daughter, who's a pretty skeptical kid, you know, at 17, and to watch her, like, admiration for her as a woman getting it done, that part, you know, she definitely gained more points for that. 0.89

02:42:07.000 That's cool.

02:42:08.000 I wonder what happens with someone like that.

02:42:10.000 Like, where do they go as they get older?

02:42:12.000 Where do they go?

02:42:13.000 I mean, you're growing up and living your entire life in this superstar position.

02:42:19.000 Very strange superstar position.

02:42:21.000 Well, it probably, you know, the white hotness of it probably fades to some degree, but if you're...

02:42:29.000 An artist like that, you would keep creating.

02:42:32.000 You know, like Bonnie Raitt was just at the Grammys, right?

02:42:34.000 You know, and she had their moments of being huge, and then you just become like a working musician in a way.

02:42:40.000 Yeah.

02:42:41.000 You know?

02:42:41.000 Mm-hmm.

02:42:42.000 Yeah.

02:42:43.000 Now, that's a good way to do it, right?

02:42:46.000 Yeah.

02:42:46.000 Just sort of be appreciated by your fans, keep going out there, and just keep doing it.

02:42:51.000 And they take them along with you and see if they stick around, and You're 90 years old playing in nursing home, but there's still 20 people in the audience.

02:42:59.000 Yeah.

02:43:00.000 Yeah.

02:43:01.000 It's pretty cool.

02:43:02.000 It's a pretty good thing.

02:43:04.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 Like, look at Willie Nelson.

02:43:05.000 Yeah.

02:43:06.000 Still out there banging it out.

02:43:08.000 Yeah.

02:43:09.000 Amazing.

02:43:09.000 Still touring.

02:43:10.000 Stopped smoking weed.

02:43:11.000 He did?

02:43:11.000 Stopped smoking weed.

02:43:12.000 No.

02:43:13.000 Lung problems.

02:43:14.000 Really?

02:43:15.000 Now he's down to edibles.

02:43:17.000 Oh, well, he's still getting high, though.

02:43:18.000 Yeah.

02:43:20.000 But he was fucking up his lungs, I guess, which is hilarious because he's like 90. He must have been smoking a lot.

02:43:25.000 I wonder if he smoked cigarettes as well.

02:43:28.000 Did he smoke cigarettes as well?

02:43:29.000 Yeah.

02:43:29.000 I don't know about that, but I heard a story of him smoking garbage cans full of weed in Hawaii.

02:43:36.000 Garbage cans?

02:43:37.000 He just had them around.

02:43:39.000 Oh my god.

02:43:40.000 Who was that country music star that has that song, I'll Never Smoke Weed with Willie Again? 1.00

02:43:45.000 Oh really?

02:43:46.000 Yeah.

02:43:47.000 That fucking guy, Travis...

02:43:52.000 Tripp?

02:43:53.000 What's his name?

02:43:55.000 Famous guy.

02:43:55.000 I'll never smoke.

02:43:56.000 Toby Keith?

02:43:57.000 Toby Keith, that's right.

02:43:59.000 Toby Keith, right.

02:44:00.000 Because he got so messed up.

02:44:01.000 Yeah, it's like he's got a song, I'll never smoke weed with Willie again.

02:44:06.000 He puts you in the grave, son.

02:44:08.000 It's amazing.

02:44:09.000 He's just cranking it out.

02:44:11.000 And his thing was to be nicer.

02:44:15.000 Willie Nelson has always talked about his mean streak and his whiskey streak.

02:44:19.000 And the weed was the thing that really made him a kinder person.

02:44:24.000 That's what it does.

02:44:25.000 Yeah.

02:44:25.000 It's the best aspect of marijuana is it makes you more kind and more...

02:44:31.000 It makes you think about community and friendship and just forgiving people too.

02:44:35.000 Right, exactly.

02:44:36.000 Relaxing, just letting go of all the bullshit.

02:44:38.000 Yeah.

02:44:39.000 That's what the world needs, a lot more forgiveness.

02:44:41.000 Especially today...

02:44:42.000 100%.

02:44:42.000 We could all use just a little more understanding.

02:44:46.000 Yeah.

02:44:47.000 Yeah, where are you going to learn if you don't make mistakes?

02:44:49.000 Exactly.

02:44:50.000 Screw up and then you correct it and you become a better person.

02:44:53.000 The lyrics to this song should be rewritten by somebody about Joey Diaz.

02:44:58.000 They're pretty good.

02:44:59.000 I always heard that his herb was top shelf.

02:45:01.000 Lord, I could not wait to find out for myself.

02:45:04.000 Well, don't knock it till you tried it.

02:45:06.000 And I've tried it, my friend.

02:45:08.000 I'll never smoke weed with Willie again.

02:45:11.000 Now we learned a hard lesson in a small Texas town.

02:45:14.000 He fired up a fat boy and passed it around. 0.87

02:45:16.000 The last words I spoke before they tucked me in.

02:45:19.000 May I discount bungee jump, but I'll never smoke weed with Willie again.

02:45:24.000 I made discount bungee jump.

02:45:27.000 I'll never smoke weed with Willie again.

02:45:29.000 My party's all over before it begins.

02:45:31.000 You can pour me some old whiskey river, my friend, but I'll never smoke weed with Willie again.

02:45:38.000 Smoking weed with Joey Diaz is one thing.

02:45:40.000 It's the edibles that'll get you.

02:45:41.000 The edibles?

02:45:42.000 Joey's edibles?

02:45:43.000 Oh my god.

02:45:44.000 Really?

02:45:44.000 Yeah, he'll dose you.

02:45:46.000 He'll take a 500 milligram edible and he'll take the wrapper off and put a 20 milligram edible label on it.

02:45:52.000 Hey, what have you heard about microdosing?

02:45:54.000 A lot.

02:45:55.000 Yeah?

02:45:56.000 Yeah, acid or mushrooms?

02:45:57.000 Acid.

02:45:58.000 A lot of people do it.

02:45:59.000 I know.

02:45:59.000 It's becoming a thing, right?

02:46:00.000 It seems to help them stay focused and centered and calm and keep the chatter down, negative self-chatter, all that kind of stuff.

02:46:10.000 Is there anything bad to it?

02:46:11.000 I don't know.

02:46:12.000 I don't know.

02:46:13.000 I've micro-dosed it a couple of times.

02:46:15.000 Yeah.

02:46:16.000 But I've never done it on a regular basis like a lot of these people do.

02:46:20.000 But I know a lot of people are doing it with psilocybin.

02:46:22.000 And a lot of them do it, they take it like once every couple days.

02:46:25.000 They don't even do it every day.

02:46:27.000 They take it every few days.

02:46:28.000 They find it remarkably beneficial.

02:46:30.000 Ron White is into microdosing psilocybin.

02:46:34.000 Really?

02:46:35.000 Loves it.

02:46:35.000 And it's not like you're really tripping.

02:46:37.000 No.

02:46:38.000 No, it's barely perceptible.

02:46:40.000 Really?

02:46:40.000 Yeah, barely perceptible.

02:46:42.000 But it just gives you a nice feeling.

02:46:43.000 You know, it's like, there's something about it that's nice.

02:46:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:46:46.000 And then people feel like that, it just eliminates some of the anxiety and the shit that goes on in your head that you could be battling with.

02:46:55.000 It calms those voices down.

02:46:57.000 For different people.

02:46:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:46:59.000 I mean, obviously for everyone, everyone has a different reaction to that.

02:47:03.000 Yeah.

02:47:03.000 Tom Papa, we've got to wrap this bitch up.

02:47:05.000 Where are we going to go?

02:47:06.000 Yeah.

02:47:06.000 It's three o'clock.

02:47:07.000 So what?

02:47:07.000 We did it.

02:47:08.000 We just did it for three hours.

02:47:09.000 Come on.

02:47:10.000 Let's go for five. 0.89

02:47:12.000 I really can't have things to do.

02:47:14.000 Someday I will.

02:47:15.000 All right.

02:47:15.000 We'll plan it out in advance next time.

02:47:17.000 I'll come back after my explosive diarrhea.

02:47:20.000 You going to do that?

02:47:21.000 When are you going to start?

02:47:22.000 Tomorrow.

02:47:23.000 You're going to start with a diet tomorrow?

02:47:24.000 I think so.

02:47:24.000 You're going to eat this loaf of bread and then go right in?

02:47:27.000 That's exactly it.

02:47:28.000 That's all I was thinking.

02:47:29.000 Well, I do have another loaf at home.

02:47:31.000 Your Netflix special is out right now.

02:47:32.000 It is called...

02:47:33.000 You're Doing Great.

02:47:34.000 You're Doing Great.

02:47:35.000 You're Doing Great.

02:47:36.000 Yep.

02:47:36.000 Tom Papa on Instagram.

02:47:39.000 Tom Papa on Twitter.

02:47:40.000 Yep.

02:47:41.000 Go to YouTube and look up Getting Baked with Tom Papa.

02:47:45.000 Getting Baked with Tom Papa, the new series.

02:47:49.000 Always a pleasure.

02:47:49.000 And then the new book.

02:47:50.000 I'll see you before that comes out.

02:47:52.000 Yes.

02:47:52.000 Yeah.

02:47:52.000 When is that going to come out?

02:47:53.000 May.

02:47:54.000 Come here before May.

02:47:55.000 All right.

02:47:55.000 Tom Popper, ladies and gentlemen.

02:47:56.000 You're the best.

02:47:57.000 Love you, buddy.

02:47:58.000 Bye.

02:48:01.000 Awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 06, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1424 - Tom Papa

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