The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1455 - Lex Fridman

00:00:01.000 Hello, Lex.

00:00:03.000 You might be wondering what I'm wearing on my face.

00:00:06.000 I'm not wondering.

00:00:07.000 No?

00:00:08.000 No.

00:00:08.000 It's coronavirus time.

00:00:10.000 Everybody out there is wearing a mask, so I'm assuming that's what you're wearing on your face.

00:00:13.000 Yeah, so this is a homemade mask.

00:00:15.000 It takes 30 seconds to make.

00:00:16.000 30 seconds?

00:00:17.000 Did you time yourself?

00:00:19.000 I don't know.

00:00:19.000 If you have a bra, can you cut a cup and strap, tie it on?

00:00:24.000 That would work, right?

00:00:26.000 Yes, probably, but as far as I'm aware, there's no scientific study of how effective bras are at filtering. 0.97

00:00:34.000 How effective is that thing?

00:00:36.000 I'm glad you asked, Joe.

00:00:39.000 I'm part of this, and I'll take this off in a few minutes.

00:00:42.000 I just want to...

00:00:44.000 One, I want to talk about some of the science, and two, I want to remove some of the stigma that's around masks.

00:00:49.000 So I'm part of this group of scientists that have put together a survey paper showing that masks work.

00:00:59.000 And it started as a movement called masks for all, hashtag.

00:01:07.000 In the Czech Republic, that essentially one of the critical components of stopping the spread of coronavirus is everybody has to wear masks.

00:01:18.000 And the science is twofold, so...

00:01:22.000 I mean, I need to break this apart, but...

00:01:24.000 You're gonna take the mask off eventually, right?

00:01:26.000 Yeah.

00:01:27.000 So let's just take it off now so I can hear you.

00:01:31.000 There's an audio?

00:01:32.000 You can't hear that?

00:01:33.000 It's so much better.

00:01:34.000 Oh yeah, nice. 0.53

00:01:35.000 It's like taking a condom off.

00:01:38.000 The before and after.

00:01:39.000 So you probably shouldn't be wearing a mask when you're doing podcasts.

00:01:42.000 Definitely not.

00:01:43.000 But everywhere else, yes.

00:01:44.000 So when you're going out to the grocery store, you should wear a mask everywhere.

00:01:47.000 Everywhere.

00:01:48.000 Okay, so some questions.

00:01:51.000 Do homemade masks work?

00:01:52.000 So there's currently a shortage of...

00:01:55.000 N95 respirator masks, which should be exclusively used as PPE, personal protective equipment, by healthcare workers.

00:02:02.000 Okay.

00:02:03.000 There's also a shortage of surgical masks, which are these non-Voen fabric masks that work very well for the thing I'm talking about, but because there's a shortage of them, we should not be buying them.

00:02:17.000 It should be saving them for healthcare workers. 1.00

00:02:19.000 And then the open question was whether homemade masks like the one I just described Work to stop as a filtration mechanism.

00:02:28.000 This is the confusing thing for the individual-centric society that we live in.

00:02:33.000 Masks are the most...

00:02:35.000 What are they actually effective for?

00:02:37.000 What they're effective for is to prevent me, if I'm infected, asymptomatic, from spreading the infection to you.

00:02:46.000 So that's where the movement of Masks for All started, which is your mask protects me, my mask protects you.

00:02:53.000 And the idea there is not...

00:02:56.000 I'm not creating a wall from the rest of society.

00:03:00.000 I am contributing to the bigger aggregate picture of it by not allowing the infection to spread.

00:03:08.000 So masks...

00:03:11.000 Is masks allow you to reduce that transmission rate to one to below one.

00:03:18.000 So allowing you to decrease the transmission rate while also allowing people to be in public.

00:03:25.000 How much have you been studying this disease and the potential remedies and all the different things around it?

00:03:34.000 A lot.

00:03:34.000 A lot, yeah.

00:03:35.000 What is your thoughts on hydroxychloroquine and zinc and Z-packs?

00:03:41.000 This is something that's been thought of as a potential remedy.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, as a potential remedy.

00:03:49.000 So on that side, I haven't studied...

00:03:53.000 So there's nothing clearly published yet.

00:03:55.000 That's the biggest problem.

00:03:57.000 When I say I know a lot, what I and others have been doing is reading a lot of papers that are coming out in the hundreds every single day.

00:04:06.000 So people doing really strong studies across the board.

00:04:09.000 This is pretty unprecedented, right?

00:04:11.000 Where something, a new disease comes out and everyone's scrambling to try to figure out what, if anything, can help it.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, there's a lot of aspects here that are unprecedented.

00:04:19.000 The scientific community has stepped up in a way that I've never seen.

00:04:24.000 I couldn't imagine it was possible to do.

00:04:26.000 Like, everybody, stop what they're doing.

00:04:29.000 And from whatever walks of life, so artificial intelligence community is really working on a lot of aspects of this, which I can talk about.

00:04:40.000 The virologists, bioinformatics folks, so everybody's working on this, looking at different angles, and obviously people who are developing vaccines and antiviral drugs are working on this.

00:04:54.000 To your question, we're all waiting for actual studies, so you can't really answer it.

00:05:00.000 You can't say something is promising or not.

00:05:02.000 So what's happening now is there's incredible candidates for vaccines, for antiviral drugs, but in order to say anything at all, there has to be at least a little sign, a little signal that this is something that can work.

00:05:16.000 So one of the things is If you look at the virology of it, just the protein structure of a corona COVID-19 virus, there's a lot of elements to it that are different from even its other family member of SARS within the coronavirus family.

00:05:33.000 So it's a totally open question whether Things from masks, what kind of things work for coronavirus versus SARS versus influenza versus rhinovirus, which is behind the common flu, and then what works on the coronavirus.

00:05:48.000 So that's true for masks, that's true for drugs, that's true for epidemiological study models and so on.

00:05:56.000 So there's a lot of uncertainty here and you have to actually do the test.

00:05:59.000 On the mask side, I'm really paying attention.

00:06:02.000 There's a guy named Jeremy Howard who brought a lot of us together from all kinds of expertise and we're putting together this giant paper showing that masks are effective.

00:06:15.000 And the same thing is happening in other domains.

00:06:18.000 The powerful thing about masks is it's something we can do.

00:06:23.000 Us individuals.

00:06:25.000 Right now, a lot of us individuals are stuck, trapped in our homes, unable to do anything.

00:06:30.000 Your only task is to remain, to practice physical distancing, social distancing, to maintain a healthy immune system, to Maintaining a healthy immune system seems to me to be the most important thing because there's so many people that are asymptomatic.

00:06:47.000 We don't know why, whether it's genetic.

00:06:49.000 We don't know what is causing some people to have virtually no symptoms whatsoever.

00:06:54.000 But I would think that maintaining a healthy immune system, eating healthy foods in particular, supplementing with vitamins.

00:06:59.000 For me particularly, I've ramped up my vitamin C in a big way.

00:07:03.000 Vitamin D, 4,000 IUs a day.

00:07:06.000 Exercise.

00:07:07.000 And sauna.

00:07:08.000 If you have access to a sauna, and I know most people don't, but if you don't have access to a sauna and you do have a bathtub, take yourself a hot bath.

00:07:16.000 What you're looking for is heat shock proteins.

00:07:19.000 One of the things that happens when you have a flu or when you have a fever, when your body has a fever, one of the things it's trying to do is trying to kill that virus.

00:07:31.000 It's trying to overheat it.

00:07:32.000 And that production of those heat shock proteins is very important.

00:07:39.000 There was a study written on flus and viruses and regular sauna use and it showed a significant decrease in infection with regular sauna use.

00:07:52.000 So it might not help you if you have it now, but it will help you to keep a strong and healthy immune system.

00:07:58.000 Heat and cold, those two things.

00:08:00.000 Shocking yourself with cold baths and shocking yourself with hot baths if you don't have access to a sauna.

00:08:06.000 If you do have access to a sauna, I would recommend ice baths and sauna.

00:08:12.000 It's very, very important for your immune system.

00:08:15.000 It's a way that you're giving yourself a drug that your body makes, really.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, I read a couple of studies actually on the use of, I don't know about sauna, but heat, like you said, hot water and then switching to cold for increasing the efficacy of natural killer,

00:08:34.000 I think they're called NK, the natural killer immune cells.

00:08:47.000 Mm-hmm.

00:08:59.000 So that transition, the natural killer cells are essential for that.

00:09:04.000 And the variation from heat to cold in water helps.

00:09:09.000 How strange is that?

00:09:11.000 That's one of the strangest aspects of this disease, that people seem to have mild symptoms and then almost overnight it turns on them.

00:09:20.000 It's so strange.

00:09:22.000 And it depends on the, you know, and we don't understand for some people that doesn't happen for some people it does.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be a long time before they sort this out. 0.88

00:09:30.000 And the real problem with that is in the meantime, all these fucking nut jobs that want to blame this on 5G or, you know, or whatever, fill in the blank with whatever crazy conspiracy theory people have. 0.85

00:09:44.000 One that is interesting is that Wuhan apparently Had some sort of bioweapons lab there. 0.95

00:09:52.000 That's interesting to me because if that's the case It's not outside of the realm of possibility that something could be accidentally released or purposefully released.

00:10:04.000 Like if they do have a weapons lab there, I mean, why do they make weapons labs?

00:10:11.000 Why is anyone making bioweapons?

00:10:13.000 You're making bioweapons to...

00:10:15.000 The idea is you're making a disease you can inflict on the enemy, right?

00:10:21.000 Well, if you have a disease that can be inflicted on the enemy, that's just human beings.

00:10:25.000 If that stuff gets out, it would be the biggest shock of all time if it turns out that this was actually a man-made disease that was leaked from a lab.

00:10:37.000 I'm not saying it was. 0.99

00:10:38.000 Again, I'm a moron. 0.74

00:10:40.000 I'm not the guy to come to when it comes to bioweapons or viruses or any of these things, but I'm just speculating as a human being that if there is a bioweapons lab in Wuhan, Google that. 0.91

00:10:52.000 What does it say?

00:10:53.000 No.

00:10:53.000 I mean, I've heard that a few times, too.

00:10:57.000 When I Googled bioweapon lab in Wuhan...

00:10:59.000 Crenshaw was talking about it yesterday.

00:11:01.000 It comes up, it says experts know it is not a bioweapon, know coronavirus is not bioengineered.

00:11:06.000 How did the outbreak start?

00:11:07.000 It did not come from that.

00:11:08.000 How do they know?

00:11:11.000 Right.

00:11:11.000 So, first of all, bioengineering, let's break that apart because it's a fascinating topic.

00:11:17.000 I mean, one of the things that coronavirus is making us realize is, holy crap, there's things out there that can kill us on a scale that we've never before imagined.

00:11:27.000 And nothing like that, hopefully, will be happening here, but this is the dress rehearsal, right?

00:11:33.000 Right.

00:11:33.000 If it was something that has Spanish flu or that kind of potential for death.

00:11:40.000 Yeah, so Spanish flu is influenza.

00:11:42.000 I don't think we've seen the worst of influenza yet.

00:11:44.000 No, I don't think so either.

00:11:45.000 That was the scariest thing about talking to the guys at the CDC when Duncan Trussell and I did a show down there.

00:11:50.000 They were saying, we're not worried about man-made stuff.

00:11:53.000 We're worried about natural stuff.

00:11:55.000 Natural viruses that mutate and jump from animals to humans like they believe this COVID-19 is.

00:12:02.000 They're like, that's the scariest thing and you can't stop it and it happens all the time.

00:12:06.000 Yeah, if viruses weren't so terrifying, they would almost be beautiful.

00:12:12.000 So what is a virus?

00:12:15.000 It's some genetic code, RNA, DNA wrapped in some protein.

00:12:20.000 So it's a piece of computer code.

00:12:23.000 That goes into a human body or any kind of living organism and has them run that code in order to print stuff.

00:12:33.000 And it's able to mutate.

00:12:35.000 So there's millions of viruses out there, most of them infecting living organisms that are not human.

00:12:40.000 And they're able to spread in these insane ways, infecting billions of organisms.

00:12:49.000 That, in terms of a weapon, in terms of a natural pandemic, is terrifying.

00:12:53.000 A lot of people are worried about what's happening now with the coronavirus.

00:12:57.000 The deadliest part of the Spanish Flu was the second wave connected to the First World War.

00:13:10.000 There was a mutation which made it a lot deadlier.

00:13:13.000 So a single mutation that then begins to propagate through society can completely change the way we experience this virus.

00:13:23.000 And it was particularly deadly because it was really devastating to young, healthy people with strong immune systems.

00:13:28.000 It was devastating to everybody, which is surprising.

00:13:31.000 Usually it's a compromised immune system is what the virus is devastating to.

00:13:36.000 Well, this one's weird in that it's so rare that it affects children.

00:13:40.000 It's very strange that this virus has a small impact on children.

00:13:46.000 You know, but goddammit, there was a story that I saw a video about this article that was written that was talking about a one-day-old baby that died from coronavirus.

00:13:56.000 But when you go into the actual story itself, the doctor who was furious about this, who was reading this paper, was saying that, the article rather, he was saying the baby was 22 weeks premature.

00:14:08.000 So like that's probably what killed the baby and that is so premature and he was like the idea that someone is using clickbait and fear-mongering at that scale during this crazy time when people are starving for information and terrified and running around trying to find out and especially people with newborns to read that oh my god I killed a newborn and then you go and realize look no it's a complication and we don't know the baby tested positive for coronavirus but it's also 22 weeks early I mean,

00:14:38.000 if that's the first baby that's dying from this, we're very, very fortunate that it doesn't attack young people.

00:14:44.000 It doesn't attack babies.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, and that's a source of terror for people.

00:14:47.000 So I've interacted with folks who have families.

00:14:50.000 I mean, that seems to be one of the biggest things that people are afraid of.

00:14:54.000 What's bad for the flu?

00:14:56.000 Well, what's bad for the flu?

00:14:57.000 Children.

00:14:58.000 Yes.

00:14:59.000 It's devastating for children.

00:15:01.000 Yeah, and to think, so both sides of it.

00:15:05.000 One, children getting sick, and two, parents getting sick and thereby not being able to take care of their children.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:15:13.000 And that can spread.

00:15:15.000 We're so sensitive now in terms of just on the verge of giving in to the fear on a mass scale.

00:15:24.000 And that's where information and sort of Inspiring words and the silly old word love is important, like community and compassion and so on to sort of fight that fear.

00:15:37.000 The silly old word love? 0.84

00:15:39.000 Silly old word? 0.99

00:15:40.000 Is it a silly old word? 1.00

00:15:41.000 You're so Russian. 1.00

00:15:42.000 Old is silly. 0.99

00:15:43.000 Russian John Wick says silly old word love. 0.99

00:15:47.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:15:48.000 It's a clickbait title for the Joe Rogan experience.

00:15:51.000 No, I just mean that...

00:15:54.000 There is a danger here of people beginning to panic when the economic impact hits.

00:16:02.000 So there's 13% unemployment, I believe, in the United States.

00:16:08.000 So the Great Depression was 23%.

00:16:11.000 So we have something like that.

00:16:14.000 We're starting to creep towards that number.

00:16:16.000 So that's 16 million people out of a job currently.

00:16:20.000 Well, I don't think we have any idea.

00:16:22.000 In the economics right now, we're in limbo.

00:16:24.000 We really are in limbo.

00:16:26.000 Because how many businesses are going to close because of this?

00:16:28.000 How many people don't know that they're unemployed but are?

00:16:30.000 How many businesses are barely hanging on and they might not make it to the end of the year?

00:16:36.000 And if the economy takes a downturn because of all these people out of jobs, how many businesses that were barely hanging on before and they're still open now are going to be gone in a couple of weeks?

00:16:45.000 We really don't know.

00:16:47.000 I mean, how long do you think it's going to take before businesses are up and running again?

00:16:52.000 I know Wuhan is back up in business again, but there's a lot of criticism about that, and they're also saying they're seeing new cases.

00:16:59.000 I think it can be sooner than we think if we do the following things.

00:17:07.000 So one, I'd hate to linger on this.

00:17:09.000 I'd love to talk to you.

00:17:10.000 You want to talk about masks again?

00:17:12.000 Well, it's funny, but I know for a fact you're going to make fun of me just like I'll make fun of you right back for loving fanny packs.

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 But just like fanny packs are exceptionally functional to carry on the things you need, masks are required to slow the spread of this infection.

00:17:33.000 Listen, I'm not an anti-mask person.

00:17:35.000 And one of the things you have to do is you have to start getting governors, so politicians to wear them.

00:17:42.000 Are President Trump to wear them?

00:17:44.000 Well, this is the Boris Johnson question, right?

00:17:46.000 Because that guy, not only was he not wearing masks, but he was shaking hands.

00:17:50.000 And he was talking about it pretty openly, and now he's in intensive care.

00:17:53.000 If he dies, that will be the biggest wake-up call for everyone. 1.00

00:17:59.000 I mean, I hope he doesn't die, but goddamn people are so mean over there. 1.00

00:18:03.000 I don't know his policies. 1.00

00:18:05.000 I don't know.

00:18:06.000 I haven't been to England in a long time. 1.00

00:18:08.000 I don't know how they feel about him, but fuck people. 1.00

00:18:10.000 Some people hate him. 1.00

00:18:11.000 Oh, like saying things like they would... 0.99

00:18:14.000 They're hoping he dies. 1.00

00:18:15.000 They hope he suffers and dies. 1.00

00:18:17.000 I've read Twitter. 0.98

00:18:18.000 Andrew Doyle.

00:18:20.000 Andrew Boyle, rather.

00:18:23.000 The guy who wrote Woke.

00:18:26.000 Titiana McGrath.

00:18:28.000 But it was actually his own personal account.

00:18:31.000 He published some of the tweets that people have written about it.

00:18:35.000 We don't have to put it up there.

00:18:36.000 I don't want to up these people's signal, but it's just so heartless.

00:18:41.000 So, yeah, that's masks, but testing, really, the big one is...

00:18:45.000 There's three things.

00:18:47.000 Masks, besides, like, washing hands and social distancing, all that stuff.

00:18:52.000 Masks, testing, and contact tracing.

00:18:56.000 Contact tracing.

00:18:58.000 So, this is great.

00:19:00.000 Let's talk about this.

00:19:01.000 First of all, I'm going to keep...

00:19:04.000 We get it.

00:19:04.000 Masks.

00:19:05.000 We don't get it.

00:19:06.000 We don't get it.

00:19:07.000 Have you been wearing masks?

00:19:08.000 You know how weird it is?

00:19:10.000 Like, societally for us, it's a weird step to take.

00:19:13.000 I don't know what, it's like an open question, what does it take to do that?

00:19:16.000 Yeah.

00:19:17.000 No, it's weird.

00:19:18.000 It's really weird.

00:19:19.000 So you can't see the emotional expression of the people.

00:19:23.000 There's a strange effect to it.

00:19:26.000 And then the other effect is as an individualistic society, you're wearing the mask not to protect yourself, but to protect others.

00:19:34.000 And that's a weird thing for us to do.

00:19:35.000 I don't think people are thinking that.

00:19:37.000 I think they think they're protecting themselves.

00:19:39.000 Well, you can sort of delude them or you can tell them the truth.

00:19:43.000 I mean, there's a nice positive aspect to this.

00:19:47.000 Me wearing a mask says, I care about not getting you sick.

00:19:52.000 That's a really powerful social signal for when you're hanging out with people.

00:19:56.000 I think there's so much ignorance going on, though.

00:19:57.000 I don't think people wear it.

00:19:58.000 There's a large percentage of people, this is my assumption, that are wearing that mask that are not wearing it because they think they're going to protect other people.

00:20:05.000 They're worried about getting it.

00:20:06.000 Yeah, and I don't think, I mean, this is what the WHO and the CDC, this is where I hate what they're doing, which is sort of there's truth and that there is ideas of how the truth will be misinterpreted by the public,

00:20:24.000 and so you shouldn't tell people the truth.

00:20:26.000 So there's a kind of sense, like the WHO and CDC have said that masks don't work, for example, or they said that we shouldn't be wearing masks, we should save them for the healthcare workers.

00:20:35.000 Well, we have to be honest about what the timeline, the WHO, what they've said, they're wrong about so much of it.

00:20:41.000 They were initially saying that you couldn't transfer it from person to person.

00:20:44.000 I mean, this was just in the beginning of the year.

00:20:47.000 I mean, Dan Crenshaw went over the timeline of all the things that were wrong about what the World Health Organization said on the podcast yesterday.

00:20:53.000 It's terrifying stuff.

00:20:55.000 And, you know, and obviously newspapers were going off of that information and they were printing misleading stuff as well.

00:21:02.000 And the president didn't know.

00:21:04.000 No one knew.

00:21:04.000 The whole thing is very weird.

00:21:06.000 If you're going based on what they were saying, it didn't look like it was going to be nearly as bad as it is.

00:21:12.000 And then everyone has had to make adjustments.

00:21:14.000 I'm actually...

00:21:16.000 The one...

00:21:18.000 I'm so...

00:21:21.000 I'm so freaked out about the loss of life and the loss of jobs and how people are getting...

00:21:28.000 It's really weird.

00:21:30.000 Everything about it is weird.

00:21:31.000 It's weird in our lifetime to be a part of something that's just affecting the entire world like this.

00:21:36.000 But...

00:21:37.000 I've gotten a lot of messages from friends that are quarantined with their families and like we've never been closer and that we realize that we're in this together because we realize that, you know, during these crazy times, you realize what is important.

00:21:50.000 Love, that silly little word you were talking about.

00:21:52.000 Love and community and friendship, like my neighbors.

00:21:56.000 Everyone's so nice.

00:21:57.000 Everyone's waving now and everyone's like saying hi and, you know, talking from over the side of the yard and how's everything?

00:22:02.000 You guys alright?

00:22:03.000 Need anything?

00:22:04.000 We're right here.

00:22:04.000 There's a lot of this like comfort and warmth that, you know, I think I experienced a little bit of that post 9-11 where people get shocked.

00:22:13.000 They get shook up and then they realize what matters, you know.

00:22:16.000 Yeah, that's one of the things I don't like about masks, is it feels like you're protecting yourself from, like you're removing yourself from the community.

00:22:26.000 There's that look. 0.98

00:22:27.000 Like, get away from me, dirty people. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Yeah, get away from me, so the germaphobe kind of idea. 0.97

00:22:32.000 That's not what they are supposed to represent, but that's...

00:22:35.000 I'm sitting here on the signs that says we have to all wear them.

00:22:38.000 And I'm thinking, like, how's that going to change interactions?

00:22:44.000 I don't know what to do with that.

00:22:46.000 You're an MMA fan.

00:22:48.000 What do you think about the UFC's decision to have fights next weekend?

00:22:52.000 On an island?

00:22:53.000 I don't know.

00:22:54.000 We don't know where it is.

00:22:55.000 I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing, if I'm going to it or not.

00:22:58.000 I don't know where it is.

00:22:59.000 Commentating?

00:22:59.000 Yeah, I don't know where it is.

00:23:00.000 I don't even know if it's in America. 0.98

00:23:02.000 I literally right now, as of right now, I don't know shit. 0.92

00:23:06.000 I have no information. 0.89

00:23:08.000 Okay, so first off, it's in an island, like I saw.

00:23:12.000 Fight Island.

00:23:13.000 It's literally the storyline of Enter the Dragon.

00:23:16.000 Yes, Enter the Dragon. 0.74

00:23:18.000 This is like, I don't know who the Bruce Lee is or the Chuck Norris.

00:23:21.000 Should I get a Chinese Kung Fu outfit and do commentary with a Kung Fu outfit on?

00:23:25.000 100%.

00:23:25.000 Would that be culturally appropriating?

00:23:28.000 No, you know what I'll do?

00:23:29.000 I'll wear one of them Bruce Lee tracksuits.

00:23:31.000 That wouldn't be culturally appropriating.

00:23:32.000 That'd just be fandom.

00:23:34.000 In a time of coronavirus, you get a cultural appropriation pass, I heard.

00:23:41.000 To me, I think that's great.

00:23:48.000 Because...

00:23:50.000 If it's messaged correctly to show that we are while maintaining sort of social distancing all those kinds of things We're trying to fight to bring our society back. 0.98

00:24:01.000 Okay, let me pause it right there There's no social distancing in a fucking cage fight.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, okay They're on top of each other sweating each other's mouths There's not gonna be there's gonna be if Tony Ferguson's fighting there's gonna be blood for sure Everybody fights Tony Ferguson looks like they fell off a train So there's gonna be blood The physical distancing you want to avoid is large crowds. 0.94

00:24:20.000 Right.

00:24:20.000 But one-on-one.

00:24:21.000 One-on-one.

00:24:22.000 So what if everybody gets tested?

00:24:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:25.000 You think that's accessible?

00:24:27.000 How accessible are tests right now?

00:24:32.000 So, in America, 0.7% of the population have been tested.

00:24:37.000 In terms of testing everybody that's not accessible, but in terms of testing special events, yeah.

00:24:44.000 So that's possible.

00:24:45.000 Totally accessible.

00:24:46.000 What do you think they would do if, like, there's a lot of good fights in this card, by the way.

00:24:51.000 Jarzino Rosenstreich is fighting Ngannou.

00:24:55.000 Yeah.

00:24:56.000 I mean, come on. 0.99

00:24:58.000 Ngannou and Rosenstreich, that is a fucking crazy fight. 0.99

00:25:03.000 What if one of those guys tests positive? 0.99

00:25:05.000 What if, you know, what if Justin Gagey tests positive?

00:25:09.000 The guy was supposed to be fighting Ferguson.

00:25:11.000 Do you go ahead or not?

00:25:13.000 Like, obviously you have to ask the opponent if they want to.

00:25:17.000 Yeah.

00:25:21.000 I'm a little bit Russian.

00:25:22.000 I would go ahead.

00:25:24.000 I'll go ahead and...

00:25:26.000 So my main concern is how will the general public interpret it?

00:25:33.000 Because you want to do everything you do now should be done in a way that, one, is positive, like inspires us towards the community, and two, gets us to do the right thing scientifically.

00:25:45.000 I don't know if a COVID-infected person fighting would inspire others to say, oh, if they're doing it, it's okay for me.

00:25:54.000 Well, I don't think they would allow it.

00:25:56.000 I have a feeling that if someone did test positive, they would kick them off the card.

00:26:00.000 Yeah, probably.

00:26:00.000 I shouldn't say kick them off the card.

00:26:03.000 I should say remove them from the card.

00:26:04.000 I take it back.

00:26:05.000 That's probably the right thing to do.

00:26:07.000 I would imagine it has to be the right thing to do.

00:26:09.000 And then you would also have to quarantine the people that worked with him in training camp, and you'd have to test everybody.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, that's by the way what contact tracing is.

00:26:17.000 Once you find somebody who's...

00:26:19.000 Got it.

00:26:19.000 And there's a technology for...

00:26:20.000 I mean, that's a really interesting infrastructure there.

00:26:23.000 But I still...

00:26:25.000 I love the idea that they're pushing forward and doing the fights.

00:26:28.000 There's a lot of people that are very upset with it.

00:26:30.000 It's very controversial.

00:26:34.000 The whole thing's controversial.

00:26:35.000 Why do you think they're upset?

00:26:36.000 Because they don't want anybody to do anything out of the norm.

00:26:39.000 Of social distancing and of quarantining and, you know, we're on lockdown right now.

00:26:45.000 And for them, look, even Nevada, which relies almost entirely on casino money.

00:26:53.000 I mean, Vegas at least.

00:26:56.000 Vegas relies almost entirely on casino money, right?

00:26:59.000 All the other businesses are so supported by the casinos. 0.98

00:27:01.000 Those casinos are shut the fuck down. 0.97

00:27:04.000 Cannot have the fights in Vegas. 0.98

00:27:07.000 But those are large crowds in physical spaces.

00:27:10.000 No, I understand that.

00:27:11.000 We're going to be...

00:27:12.000 This is going to be a long...

00:27:13.000 This is not going to be a month.

00:27:14.000 This is not going to be two months.

00:27:16.000 How many months do you think this is going to be?

00:27:19.000 I think before we're back to normal, I think it will be a year.

00:27:26.000 And in terms of when it's going to reopen the economy, I think it's...

00:27:36.000 Summer.

00:27:36.000 Possibly late summer.

00:27:38.000 Unless there's some sort of an effective remedy that we know for sure.

00:27:43.000 Definitely, definitely.

00:27:44.000 Antiviral drugs or vaccine.

00:27:47.000 Well, vaccine's going to take a long time.

00:27:48.000 There is some really impressive work on vaccines. 0.98

00:27:51.000 They're accelerating the crap. 0.98

00:27:53.000 It's supposed to take 10, 15 years for a vaccine. 0.99

00:27:55.000 And then they're saying 18 months, obviously.

00:27:58.000 But that's still a long time.

00:27:59.000 That's a really long time, but they're doing some impressive fast testing on vaccines.

00:28:06.000 Obviously, mass-scale vaccines is something you want to be exceptionally careful.

00:28:11.000 I wonder what they're going to do with the U.S. election.

00:28:14.000 Malin.

00:28:16.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:28:17.000 I have an idea.

00:28:18.000 We'll just postpone it until...

00:28:20.000 I'm just kidding.

00:28:21.000 Postpone it's not a bad idea.

00:28:22.000 No, it's a terrible idea.

00:28:24.000 Oh, one thing I do have to say, because I can't believe this is still going on.

00:28:27.000 Because there was a big dust-up recently because I said that I wouldn't vote for Biden, that I'd vote for Trump before I voted for Biden.

00:28:34.000 I just want people to know, first of all, folks.

00:28:38.000 I'm barely paying attention, okay? 0.99

00:28:40.000 If you're getting your political advice from me, I'm a moron, okay? 0.99

00:28:44.000 I am a comedian slash cage-fighting commentator. 1.00

00:28:48.000 You know how you have friends that don't know much about fighting and they'll say something like, I think Bruce Lee could kick Jon Jones' ass. 0.99

00:28:55.000 Yeah, that's me with politics, okay? 0.99

00:28:58.000 Don't listen to me for political advice.

00:28:59.000 You want to listen to people for political advice?

00:29:02.000 Listen to people that are actually paying attention.

00:29:05.000 Listen to guys who, that's their living, guys like Kyle Kalinske.

00:29:08.000 Listen to Jimmy Dore.

00:29:10.000 He does a fantastic job breaking down politics.

00:29:12.000 He understands it, right?

00:29:14.000 Listen to the people that, The Hill, watch that show.

00:29:17.000 It's fantastic.

00:29:17.000 It's on YouTube.

00:29:18.000 There's a lot of people.

00:29:20.000 David Pakman, he understands politics.

00:29:23.000 I'm not that guy, okay? 0.99

00:29:25.000 But what I am saying is, I don't want to vote for someone that has a mental problem. 0.99

00:29:31.000 He's got dementia. 0.99

00:29:32.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:29:33.000 My parents called me.

00:29:35.000 My mom's like, I heard you're a Trump supporter now.

00:29:37.000 I'm like...

00:29:39.000 I would never vote for a person who obviously has dementia.

00:29:42.000 I said I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden.

00:29:44.000 That's what that means. 0.95

00:29:45.000 You know, and there's been fucking dozens of articles written about this. 0.97

00:29:50.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ. 0.70

00:29:51.000 Trump tweeted.

00:29:52.000 He tweeted that?

00:29:53.000 He tweeted a clip of you saying that you're a Trump supporter.

00:29:57.000 No, he didn't.

00:29:58.000 Yeah.

00:29:59.000 When did this happen?

00:30:00.000 Like shortly after. 0.99

00:30:01.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.98

00:30:02.000 I'm pretty sure. 0.98

00:30:03.000 I retweeted or tweeted.

00:30:06.000 I'm not sure.

00:30:06.000 That's hilarious.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:08.000 Could have been one of those fakey Donald Trump accounts.

00:30:11.000 No, I'm pretty sure.

00:30:13.000 Maybe it was Trump Jr.?

00:30:14.000 Was it Donald Jr.?

00:30:15.000 I have a programmatic way of following Twitter and I follow Trump.

00:30:19.000 Okay, either way.

00:30:20.000 I just want everybody to know this is all I'm saying is I think the Democrats are making a horrible mistake by putting in a...

00:30:26.000 He just had another huge stumble yesterday.

00:30:29.000 The man is ill.

00:30:30.000 I wish him no ill will.

00:30:33.000 I'm not a Biden hater.

00:30:35.000 I just think it's wrong to take a guy that you clearly can tell is struggling. 0.82

00:30:41.000 He's an older guy who's got some sort of a mental breakdown issue.

00:30:46.000 He's got what appears to be, according to Some experts who have analyzed what he's doing.

00:30:52.000 It's some form of dementia.

00:30:54.000 He has a problem maintaining conversations.

00:30:57.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:30:58.000 That's all I'm saying, folks. 0.99

00:31:00.000 And also, I'm a fucking comedian slash cage-fighting commentator. 0.99

00:31:05.000 You don't need to come to me for that. 0.99

00:31:07.000 What is this?

00:31:10.000 Donald J. Trump retweeted.

00:31:12.000 He-he-he-he-he! 0.90

00:31:15.000 Oh! 0.60

00:31:18.000 With an American flag in the background.

00:31:21.000 Beautiful hair of Eric Weinstein.

00:31:23.000 This is what, again, this is what I said.

00:31:26.000 This is what I said.

00:31:26.000 You shouldn't have that guy.

00:31:28.000 I would vote for any of the other ones.

00:31:30.000 Any of them.

00:31:31.000 Bring them back.

00:31:32.000 Amy Klobuchar, bring her back. 0.99

00:31:33.000 I'd vote for her before I'd vote for Biden.

00:31:36.000 I'd vote for Buttigieg.

00:31:37.000 I'd for sure vote for Tulsi.

00:31:39.000 I love Tulsi Gabbard.

00:31:41.000 I'd for sure vote for Bernie. 0.96

00:31:42.000 That's all I'm saying, folks, is you shouldn't have someone who's clearly got something really wrong and just prop him up and weekend at Bernie style and fucking bring him up to the podium. 0.98

00:31:53.000 It's crazy. 0.95

00:31:54.000 Bring back Andrew Yang. 1.00

00:31:56.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:31:57.000 Do you actually know? 1.00

00:31:57.000 I love Andrew Yang. 1.00

00:31:58.000 I was trying to figure out if it's possible to bring back people at this stage.

00:32:01.000 I don't know.

00:32:02.000 So much has changed.

00:32:04.000 COVID changed everything, right?

00:32:06.000 Yes.

00:32:06.000 You should be able to run stuff back.

00:32:08.000 Well, what they should be able to do is someone should, I don't know, I think they're just hoping and praying that Biden can hang in there long enough and people's hatred for Trump will get it to the finish line.

00:32:21.000 And that they could win.

00:32:23.000 And they can keep him from having these conversations where he stumbles a lot.

00:32:26.000 But it's not fair to him as a human being.

00:32:29.000 It's not fair to us that this is their only choice they're giving us.

00:32:33.000 I mean, there are so many people that were involved in those debates Kamala Harris, bring her back. 0.99

00:32:39.000 Bring them all back.

00:32:40.000 Bring any of them back.

00:32:41.000 They would be a way better spokesperson for the Democratic Party.

00:32:46.000 This is just a terrible idea.

00:32:48.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:32:49.000 That's all I did say.

00:32:50.000 But it's like, I just can't believe that someone like me Has any impact at all in people's political choices?

00:32:58.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:33:00.000 Don't do that.

00:33:00.000 Rely on people that are paying attention.

00:33:03.000 Rely on people where that's their job.

00:33:05.000 Let me hear the new one.

00:33:06.000 Let's hear the new one.

00:33:07.000 We cannot let this...

00:33:09.000 We've never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around 16. We have never, never let our democracy...

00:33:21.000 Second fiddle way that we can both have a democracy and elections and at the same time correct the public health. 0.76

00:33:29.000 Well, that's not too bad.

00:33:31.000 He's just kind of stumbling for his words.

00:33:34.000 There's been some real bad ones.

00:33:36.000 But, you know, you got to think he's probably medicated.

00:33:39.000 They're probably juicing him up to get him to that state of health anyway. 1.00

00:33:43.000 Like, these people are not stupid.

00:33:44.000 These people that are involved in running his campaign, they're probably giving him IV vitamin drips and doing everything they can to try to get him as healthy as possible to bring him to that state. 0.98

00:33:55.000 It's just not good.

00:33:56.000 It's not fair.

00:33:56.000 It's not fair for us.

00:33:57.000 It's not fair for him.

00:33:59.000 So, to try to play, because I kind of agree with you.

00:34:02.000 It's so...

00:34:04.000 I cringe every time.

00:34:05.000 It's sad.

00:34:06.000 But I was, I think, what was it, 2016 when Hillary Clinton ran?

00:34:11.000 I was...

00:34:12.000 I like Biden until I hear him talk.

00:34:14.000 There's something there that he's just not good at.

00:34:17.000 We keep seeing things like this that are just a little bit off.

00:34:21.000 And...

00:34:22.000 To me the question is, so obviously I'm awkward at speaking.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, but you also speak Russian.

00:34:29.000 No, I think that there's a brain thing there.

00:34:32.000 Well, you might be too smart for us.

00:34:34.000 For regular conversation.

00:34:35.000 That's a very nice way of putting it.

00:34:39.000 And he used to stutter.

00:34:42.000 Do we need our presidential candidates to be eloquent?

00:34:47.000 Is, to me, an open question.

00:34:51.000 That's a good point.

00:34:52.000 Because he might just be...

00:34:53.000 I would vote for Biden if he just never talked.

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 So, back in the, you know, especially in 2016 and so on, just every time, because he's like a, he's kind of like a blue collar.

00:35:08.000 He has a story with his son, a vet dying.

00:35:12.000 I mean, there is so much depth to him as a human being, to his story.

00:35:18.000 He, obviously, as you've mentioned, he's done quite a few shady things like lying and plagiarizing speeches and That was back in 88 when he was running for president.

00:35:29.000 Yeah.

00:35:30.000 I mean, but in terms of his long track record of just being as part of the system, whatever you think about the system, he just knows at a time like this, when you need government to work well, no matter who you are, government needs to work well now.

00:35:46.000 So you have to ask yourself, who is the person who will make government work well?

00:35:52.000 Right.

00:35:53.000 I don't know if it's him.

00:35:54.000 I don't know who it is.

00:35:56.000 I don't think it's a good idea to have one person have the kind of power that a president has.

00:36:01.000 I mean, just imagine you're Donald Trump, right?

00:36:04.000 You're not just responsible for dealing with international relations with North Korea.

00:36:09.000 You're also responsible for the environment.

00:36:12.000 You're also responsible for this COVID-19 outbreak.

00:36:16.000 You're also responsible.

00:36:17.000 I mean, you can keep going.

00:36:19.000 It's crazy to think that one person should have responsibility for all the things that happened to the United States of America.

00:36:29.000 It's nuts.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, it's totally crazy.

00:36:32.000 I think they don't have to be responsible.

00:36:34.000 So to me, the best for president is to inspire the entire population, just to be a sort of talking head that inspires the world and the United States, and two, hires the best people to take care of each of those things.

00:36:48.000 Yeah.

00:36:49.000 So attract, so inspire the best in the world to come work for him, whether that's military, whether that's the environment on the science side.

00:36:58.000 And that's how, to me, that's how you should elect a president, is who inspires the best people in the world.

00:37:03.000 I think you're right.

00:37:04.000 Yeah, I just think that it's an impossible task for an individual.

00:37:08.000 And I don't think, I think we should rethink it, but good luck with that.

00:37:12.000 I mean, the crazy thing about the United States is really, I mean, I had a bit about it, that the United States was founded in 1776. People lived to be 100. That's three people ago.

00:37:23.000 Three people. 0.87

00:37:25.000 Yeah, I'm like this is how recently this is and this is a bit about President Trump about him being elected about how crazy and the bit was about we went from Obama I went from this really intelligent very articulate person and it's like we were involved in a relationship with a really and now we're dating a whore Yeah, 0.79

00:37:46.000 it was just this crazy bit that I had about it's like we're on the rebound and we're just in a nutty relationship now.

00:37:52.000 But I just I don't think anybody should be president.

00:37:55.000 I just I don't think it's a good position for human beings.

00:37:58.000 I think it was a great idea when we're tribes, when we're a tribe of a few hundred people or a mayor of, you know, a town.

00:38:06.000 That's great.

00:38:06.000 Yeah, mayors make sense.

00:38:08.000 It makes sense that one person, it's a very stressful job, very difficult, but it seems tenable.

00:38:12.000 It seems like a mayor can be.

00:38:13.000 You know, a mayor can really control a city and do a good job.

00:38:16.000 I just think when you get to the scale of the United States of America, it just seems nuts.

00:38:20.000 It just seems nuts to have one person run the whole show.

00:38:23.000 And then also, clearly not, because, you know, you have this gigantic organization behind it that requires all the money from the donors and special interest groups and lobbyists and all these moving pieces are involved to make sure that the people that get in place are going to suit your interests and fulfill your needs. 0.94

00:38:43.000 And it's all going on right now while a fucking pandemic virus is sweeping the entire globe. 0.89

00:38:48.000 It's really weird. 0.99

00:38:50.000 It's a really weird time.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, and I mean, I wish we could just rerun the whole thing because some of the ideas like Andrew Yang's ideas with universal basic income.

00:39:00.000 Yes.

00:39:02.000 Obviously, he's right.

00:39:03.000 You know, what he said about automation now applies to this virus.

00:39:07.000 There's people that need money.

00:39:09.000 Yeah.

00:39:10.000 And this is where it's really weird.

00:39:13.000 And I wish I'd brought this up with Dan Crenshaw yesterday.

00:39:17.000 A lot of Republicans want smaller government, right?

00:39:19.000 They want less government.

00:39:21.000 But this is a time where big government is necessary, where you're dealing with something like a pandemic virus.

00:39:27.000 You're dealing with the situation where you have to look out for the welfare of all these people.

00:39:31.000 You have to re-stimulate the economy.

00:39:33.000 The government has to pour money into it.

00:39:34.000 This is a time where big government is necessary.

00:39:38.000 And this is a great argument for balance, right?

00:39:40.000 This is a great argument for big government.

00:39:43.000 Well, the goal, I think, for both Republicans and Democrats is effective government.

00:39:47.000 And then Republicans would say that big government is actually increasing the bureaucracy, not the effectiveness.

00:39:55.000 So this is the question now with testing.

00:39:58.000 How do you get at a large scale?

00:40:01.000 We're at 0.7%.

00:40:02.000 We need to test half the population.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:40:07.000 Obviously, I don't know.

00:40:08.000 But I would imagine if tests exist, right?

00:40:12.000 We have a test.

00:40:12.000 So what we need to do is figure out a way to ramp that up.

00:40:15.000 And I'm sure that's being done right now.

00:40:17.000 We're just not aware of it.

00:40:18.000 I'm sure that they're trying to figure out a way to get it to everybody.

00:40:21.000 I mean, some of that is just mass production of testing kits.

00:40:24.000 So the main tests they're using are molecular-based tests.

00:40:27.000 There's other ideas.

00:40:28.000 Like in the artificial intelligence side, there's ideas of how to use CT scans, chest scans, and try to detect the early onset of COVID versus just regular pneumonia.

00:40:42.000 Because there's a lot of sort of neighboring conditions here, too.

00:40:44.000 We're still suffering from flu, right?

00:40:46.000 Yeah, that's the thing I was going to say that some enormous percentage, like 85% of people that come in that are sick are not infected with this because this is flu season.

00:40:56.000 And the flu so far has killed an extraordinary number of people, which is really weird.

00:41:02.000 Like, while this is going on, and this is not to diminish the deaths of the people that have died from COVID, because it's all horrible, right?

00:41:09.000 Anyone that loses a loved one, I, you know, my heart reaches, I ache for all of you.

00:41:16.000 I feel terrible for anybody who loses someone that they care for, whether it's an old person or a young person to a disease.

00:41:22.000 It's horrible.

00:41:23.000 But why is it that we're so terrified of COVID, clearly because it's new, but when the flu is killing more people right now than COVID is, and we're not worried about that at all.

00:41:34.000 I mean, we should clearly be worried about both things.

00:41:37.000 And this is, again, it's a great advertisement for strengthening your immune system.

00:41:42.000 This is a great wake-up call for a lot of people that are unhealthy, that are eating unhealthy and living unhealthy.

00:41:48.000 Please.

00:41:49.000 Like, if you value life and it's like, it's so easy to just assume you're always gonna be okay if you're okay now.

00:41:57.000 You know, this is the sort of mentality that a lot of us go through life with, that everything's fine, now it'll be fine.

00:42:03.000 And this is where preppers go off the rail the other way, right? 0.99

00:42:07.000 They're like, fuck, the sky's falling, it's all gonna fall apart. 0.99

00:42:09.000 And those people, I'm fascinated to see how they're gonna freak out. 0.99

00:42:15.000 Like, now that this is real, and that, like, it's probably a good idea to have stored food, it's probably a good idea to have a small supply of water that's gonna last you a few weeks, this is all a good idea. 0.99

00:42:25.000 Like, how are those motherfuckers gonna react to this? 0.99

00:42:29.000 Well, they're ready. 1.00

00:42:30.000 What do you mean?

00:42:31.000 Well, they're going to ramp it up even further because now they're going to be justified.

00:42:35.000 Like, they were right.

00:42:36.000 So what you might very well see, especially in the South, is a lot of people have guns, right?

00:42:42.000 And with coronavirus, you don't want infected people in your town.

00:42:50.000 So you could very easily see people barricading roads and saying you're not allowed to enter the town.

00:42:55.000 Yeah.

00:42:55.000 Well, you're seeing that in some places where people have vacation homes.

00:42:59.000 And they're leaving the big city and going to the vacation homes and the people that live in these small communities are freaking out because they don't want these infected people coming into their communities and infecting them. 0.97

00:43:08.000 And they're trying to keep them out of their homes, out of their second homes, which is like, look, you can't keep someone out of a fucking house that they own, okay?

00:43:16.000 You can't just decide that you're gonna throw the Constitution out the window and these people don't own their own property anymore.

00:43:21.000 But it gets to this weird state where everybody's in a panic.

00:43:24.000 So this, to me, is where the president is essential, is to, when people are in a panic, there's so much uncertainty, to inspire the world and sort of take us back to reminding Americans, reminding the world what everyone did in World War II. Yeah.

00:43:38.000 Sort of the huge things we've overcome as a civilization, that this is one of those cases.

00:43:44.000 And sort of, as opposed to trying to defend your little corner of this land, seeing us as all together, as a community, and sort of inspire that.

00:43:55.000 And trying to remove, I think, in terms of winning elections, like if Donald Trump wants to win the election, is just do that.

00:44:02.000 Because in these times, difficult times, presidents are popular. 0.97

00:44:06.000 And if you just forget the stupid red-blue divide and just inspire the whole country, he'll run away with it. 0.97

00:44:12.000 It's true, but it's hard right now to even have that. 0.99

00:44:16.000 He's kind of...

00:44:18.000 He's a guy that when someone comes at him, he comes at them harder, you know?

00:44:24.000 He describes himself as a counter-puncher, right?

00:44:27.000 Someone hits him, he hits him back even harder.

00:44:29.000 And the media just can't let him go.

00:44:31.000 There's a lot of...

00:44:34.000 There's a lot of currency in attacking him and coming up with a great gotcha moment that gets captured in video and then gets released online.

00:44:42.000 And so you get all these reporters that have this rare opportunity to talk to him.

00:44:46.000 We talked about this one lady who just kept being upset that someone in the administration, apparently she said, had referred to it as the Kung Flu. 0.74

00:44:55.000 And he's like, what did you say?

00:44:57.000 And she said, Kung Fu.

00:44:58.000 He said, say that again?

00:44:59.000 Kung Fu.

00:45:01.000 So she said that.

00:45:01.000 And he goes, who said that?

00:45:03.000 She didn't know who.

00:45:04.000 He was like, someone said it?

00:45:05.000 Like, you heard someone said it?

00:45:06.000 Like, is this really your question?

00:45:08.000 Like, is this really what we're worried about?

00:45:10.000 Is a joke someone might have made in the middle of a horrendous crisis that they call it the Kung Fu?

00:45:16.000 Oh, Jesus, let's stop the presses. 0.96

00:45:17.000 First of all, Kung Fu is awesome, okay?

00:45:20.000 There's nothing wrong with Kung Fu.

00:45:23.000 Is there anything wrong with saying that?

00:45:24.000 I mean, look, the flu, it's not a flu.

00:45:27.000 It's a virus.

00:45:28.000 It's horrible that it's devastating all these people.

00:45:32.000 But is it more horrible if you call it kung flu?

00:45:34.000 Is it so much more horrible that we have to...

00:45:37.000 I mean, is it that racist?

00:45:39.000 Well, to me, that's a beautiful moment to say, let's put our shallow... 1.00

00:45:44.000 Let's put this bullshit aside. 1.00

00:45:46.000 Unfortunately, he was almost there. 1.00

00:45:49.000 Yeah.

00:45:49.000 And instead, he made it more like about himself and just didn't...

00:45:52.000 Well, with that conversation with that lady, I don't think he did.

00:45:56.000 I think that conversation with that lady was like, who said this? 0.97

00:45:59.000 But that lady represents a large percent of the population full of ridiculous ideas such as that. 1.00

00:46:04.000 And he gets a chance to speak to inspire that part of the population and say, let's put this social justice warrior stuff aside for a brief moment as we fight a thing that threatens the economic well-being of our nation. 0.97

00:46:19.000 Well, you hear very little about transgender people using restrooms right now.

00:46:23.000 You know, there's a lot of things that you don't hear about.

00:46:26.000 You don't hear about gender pronouns and a lot of stuff that was so supposedly important just a small amount of time ago, and it's not to diminish the rights and the values of transgender people.

00:46:36.000 It's just to say, I think a lot of what people were complaining about and The reasons why people were up in arms about things is not just because we have real issues with discrimination, but more so that we don't have real problems.

00:46:50.000 So we look to amplify problems that might not be nearly as big as they are, or as we would like to think they are. 0.83

00:46:57.000 You know, I mean, when we're dealing with something that's a real life-threatening, a real huge issue, no one gives a fuck about your gender pronouns. 0.98

00:47:07.000 You know, no one gives a fuck if you're a they-them person. 1.00

00:47:10.000 Are you they-them? 0.99

00:47:10.000 Okay, congratulations. 0.99

00:47:12.000 I don't know what to tell you, but we're in the middle of something that is a new disease.

00:47:16.000 It's killing people and some people it's not killing them at all and they're spreading it around and it's weird.

00:47:21.000 So we don't have time for nonsense and we're in a lot of ways because society is so I want to say this in the best way possible.

00:47:30.000 This is the greatest time ever to be alive.

00:47:32.000 Even now.

00:47:33.000 Even now with all this craziness.

00:47:34.000 If you compare the world today with the way we're connected to each other, yeah, there's problems.

00:47:39.000 There's always gonna be problems. 0.99

00:47:41.000 We're a bunch of fucking weird territorial monkeys. 0.99

00:47:46.000 Living on a planet, you know? 1.00

00:47:47.000 There's gonna be problems.

00:47:49.000 We're sorting through all these different things out, and there's varying levels of economic disparity, physical disparity, mental disparity.

00:47:57.000 There's so much difference between all of us.

00:48:00.000 There's no chance.

00:48:01.000 For complete total harmony.

00:48:03.000 It's not going to exist with these territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons. 1.00

00:48:07.000 It's not going to exist, you know?

00:48:09.000 What's one of the first things that people did when all this happened?

00:48:13.000 They went out and hoarded toilet paper and bought guns, okay?

00:48:16.000 That should let you know.

00:48:17.000 This is what people are all about. 1.00

00:48:19.000 When the shit hits the fan, they want guns and they want to be able to wipe their ass. 1.00

00:48:22.000 And this is what people panicked about. 1.00

00:48:25.000 This is still...

00:48:27.000 One of the best times ever to be alive.

00:48:30.000 And the thing that gives me hope is the way I feel in my community and the way I feel with my friends.

00:48:37.000 I've had so many friends reach out and just say, are you okay?

00:48:40.000 How's everything?

00:48:41.000 If you need anything, I'm here.

00:48:43.000 That's beautiful.

00:48:44.000 I love that.

00:48:45.000 I love this feeling of community that we have.

00:48:48.000 Real community.

00:48:49.000 It's this like, especially in the stand-up comedy world, There's an incredible sense of community right now.

00:48:55.000 People are reaching out to help people.

00:48:56.000 People are donating to people.

00:48:58.000 People are sending people money.

00:49:00.000 They're checking in on each other.

00:49:02.000 And it's like we're appreciating each other.

00:49:04.000 We're appreciating each other in a way that I think is beautiful.

00:49:09.000 It makes me sad that it kind of has to coincide with a tragedy sometimes, but we're humans.

00:49:16.000 Sometimes we need a wake-up call.

00:49:17.000 We need a little something that lets us know, hey, you know, this is a temporary situation, this life in general.

00:49:24.000 Everything about it is temporary.

00:49:25.000 We are finite life forms on a finite planet that's heated by a finite star.

00:49:30.000 None of this is going to last.

00:49:32.000 It's gonna last for a long time, but it's not gonna last.

00:49:35.000 Enjoy this.

00:49:36.000 Enjoy this and let's enforce and let's encourage good values, healthy values, community values.

00:49:44.000 We can get through this and be a better country.

00:49:45.000 I really believe this.

00:49:47.000 I really believe this.

00:49:48.000 I think the survivors of this can get through this as long as we can retain these lessons.

00:49:52.000 It's so easy.

00:49:54.000 Once something happens and then that thing normalizes and we get back to Air quotes, regular life.

00:50:00.000 It's so easy to forget the lessons.

00:50:02.000 But if we can reinforce those, we can remind ourselves of this, we can have these moments, you know, like so many cultures do where they have these religious ceremonies.

00:50:12.000 You know, I was talking to Eric Weinstein.

00:50:15.000 We were talking about Jews and they were talking... 1.00

00:50:16.000 What was the fucking... 0.99

00:50:18.000 Was it Passover? 0.99

00:50:19.000 Yes, it's Passover.

00:50:20.000 And he was talking about how they tell the story every year. 0.99

00:50:23.000 And the reason why they tell the story every year is to remind everybody, to remind people that you're here because others went through some horrendous shit. 0.97

00:50:31.000 And let's thank them, let's praise them, and let's remind ourselves we're very, very fortunate. 0.97

00:50:37.000 And remind ourselves that we're a community.

00:50:40.000 And the scale of...

00:50:41.000 World War II did that from where I came from in Russia.

00:50:45.000 That's where I have my guitar here.

00:50:48.000 You want to play a song?

00:50:49.000 Well, maybe.

00:50:50.000 Come on right now.

00:50:51.000 Okay.

00:50:53.000 I'll spark up a joint.

00:50:54.000 I want to hear this.

00:50:56.000 But the reason I actually messaged Jamie...

00:51:00.000 And ask, do you think it's okay if I play a song on Jerry?

00:51:05.000 Come on, man. 1.00

00:51:05.000 Your poem that you read last time was the shit. 1.00

00:51:08.000 Well, but I messaged him without having a song. 0.99

00:51:11.000 You didn't have a song?

00:51:12.000 No, no.

00:51:13.000 I was just thinking about...

00:51:15.000 So I've been reading a lot about World War II recently, before the coronavirus.

00:51:19.000 And then I found out, I learned about my grandfather, who was at age 17, which actually tells you a lot.

00:51:26.000 You have to be 18 to be in the army.

00:51:27.000 And he sort of faked his documents.

00:51:30.000 That was what everybody did.

00:51:31.000 Young kids wanted to fight for their country.

00:51:34.000 It's an interesting kind of story.

00:51:37.000 They weren't dodging the draft.

00:51:40.000 Everybody wanted to fight for their country. 0.57

00:51:43.000 At that stage, in 1941, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, the order from Stalin was that if you get captured, you have to kill yourself.

00:51:56.000 So there's no surrender.

00:51:58.000 So you have to...

00:52:00.000 I mean, that's the spirit that you're fighting with.

00:52:04.000 And so the only way out is if you're a soldier is death or severe injury.

00:52:11.000 And in terms of being lucky, I've been thinking about my grandfather a lot.

00:52:16.000 Who was severely injured.

00:52:18.000 He was on a machine gun.

00:52:20.000 He fought actually alongside Mikhail Kalashnikov, AK-47 inventor.

00:52:27.000 Really?

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 So AK-47 came from World War II. That's a design from there.

00:52:33.000 And so your job is...

00:52:36.000 So Germany in the fall of 1941 is marching towards Moscow.

00:52:43.000 And your job is...

00:52:45.000 Basically to be a human, just a thing that slows them down long enough to where they don't reach Moscow until winter, which would allow Moscow to defend easier.

00:53:00.000 So winter is very difficult to fight, even in World War II in Russia.

00:53:04.000 So your basic job is to slow down the troops.

00:53:07.000 So you're sitting there with a machine gun, which is exceptionally difficult to carry, and you're just emptying all your bullets.

00:53:15.000 And so most people are dead.

00:53:17.000 How heavy is that machine gun?

00:53:19.000 That was one of the huge criticisms.

00:53:21.000 There's a particular model, I forget, but most machine guns at the start, they were using basically World War I weapons in World War II. And the machine guns that they were using had this giant metal shield that you hide behind as you're shooting.

00:53:37.000 And that shield would turn out to be exceptionally heavy.

00:53:40.000 So it's not something you can carry easily.

00:53:43.000 So I would venture to say it's probably like 200 pounds, that kind of thing. 1.00

00:53:47.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:53:47.000 Yeah, so you're dragging it, you know, through the mud, through all of that, and while bullets are flying. 1.00

00:53:55.000 That's it right there?

00:53:56.000 I don't know the exact...

00:53:57.000 Pretty close, probably.

00:53:59.000 Yeah, probably.

00:54:01.000 Wow.

00:54:01.000 But you have to look at Soviet Union, where the equipment was not great.

00:54:05.000 So you're basically throwing human bodies.

00:54:10.000 And I mean, so I was thinking about how lucky, because I'm alive because the bullets, like he got hurt, his leg, he got hurt in his leg, and I'm alive because he got hurt, because severely where he couldn't continue,

00:54:28.000 because that's the only way out.

00:54:30.000 And sort of most of his, most of his brothers are dead.

00:54:36.000 You're talking about 75 million people died in World War II, most of them in Europe, and 50 million of them, 50 million is civilians, so people without a gun.

00:54:47.000 50 million.

00:54:48.000 50 million died, and it's different than the virus.

00:54:53.000 I mean, it's different.

00:54:54.000 There's something...

00:54:55.000 Particularly ruthless.

00:54:56.000 It's something ruthless about war.

00:54:58.000 But the stories they tell is of brotherhood, as you've known from Jocko and everybody.

00:55:03.000 The kind of friendship, the kind of connection, it's incredible there.

00:55:07.000 And this is our little bit of World War II moment.

00:55:11.000 Because it's a global...

00:55:15.000 Yeah.

00:55:31.000 War is so strong.

00:55:32.000 They actually prefer war in a lot of ways, some of them do at least, to being home.

00:55:37.000 They prefer that camaraderie.

00:55:42.000 When you're tuning this up, how are you doing this?

00:55:44.000 I never understood this.

00:55:45.000 There's a thing...

00:55:46.000 Jamie thinks it's funny?

00:55:47.000 Why do you think that's funny?

00:55:48.000 So you can do it by ear?

00:55:50.000 But I'm actually kind of scared shitless.

00:55:52.000 Guitar tuning.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, but I don't know what's going on.

00:55:54.000 So like this is a low E. E. Okay.

00:55:59.000 That was out of tune.

00:56:00.000 A. D. And there's a little mechanism.

00:56:02.000 You just attach the guitar.

00:56:03.000 I think it actually doesn't go by audio, but by vibration.

00:56:06.000 Oh, that thing's telling you if it's correct?

00:56:08.000 Yeah.

00:56:08.000 What is it doing?

00:56:10.000 What does it look like?

00:56:11.000 Are you seeing a reading on it or something?

00:56:14.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 Oh, that's electronic.

00:56:17.000 That looks like a little galaxy watch.

00:56:19.000 And when it hits blue, that's on tune.

00:56:22.000 A, D, G, B, E. Perfect tune.

00:56:30.000 Oh, that's dope. 0.94

00:56:34.000 Do you know how terrifying this is?

00:56:35.000 Okay.

00:56:37.000 Come on, bro.

00:56:38.000 Come on, bro. 1.00

00:56:38.000 You're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:56:39.000 Here's the lyrics. 1.00

00:56:40.000 Here's the lyrics?

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:41.000 Should I sing along?

00:56:42.000 No, don't.

00:56:43.000 Please.

00:56:44.000 Okay.

00:56:45.000 It's bad enough for me to sing. 0.55

00:56:50.000 Although I do want to play a silly song later on.

00:56:52.000 Okay.

00:56:54.000 Is it a weird Al Yankovic song?

00:56:55.000 No, it has to do with...

00:56:57.000 He had the best tweet about this.

00:56:58.000 Did you read that?

00:56:59.000 He goes, we're all Howie Mandel now.

00:57:04.000 Imagine how Howie Mandel is, right?

00:57:06.000 He's probably completely freaked out.

00:57:08.000 We should probably get him in right after it's over.

00:57:12.000 What's this song about?

00:57:15.000 About my grandfather, about the time we're in, about Love.

00:57:21.000 Did you write this song?

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 Okay.

00:57:23.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:24.000 Oh, the other thing is, I'm a huge Hendrix fan.

00:57:26.000 So I wanted to play, like last time I chickened out, I wanted to play Hendrix.

00:57:31.000 You know, Hey Joe or Voodoo Child or, you know... 1.00

00:57:36.000 But your videos get taken down, as I've learned now.

00:57:41.000 They don't get taken down, it's revenue sharing.

00:57:44.000 Well, someone tries to steal your money with that, with the music part.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, we did that with when Gary Clark Jr. sang that Almond Brothers song with Suzanne Santo, which was crazy.

00:57:57.000 They sang Midnight Rider. 0.99

00:57:59.000 They did a version of it that's so different than the original, but they're like, fuck you, pay me. 1.00

00:58:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:04.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:58:05.000 So you can't even do your own...

00:58:06.000 Mechanical licensing.

00:58:07.000 Mechanical licensing.

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 And a lot of it is automated, actually.

00:58:11.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:58:12.000 I've said this before.

00:58:13.000 One of the things I love about music is I have zero talent.

00:58:16.000 I have none.

00:58:17.000 I don't know how to play anything.

00:58:19.000 That's why, like, Jamie thinks it's funny.

00:58:20.000 I don't know what tuning is.

00:58:21.000 I love things that I don't know nothing about.

00:58:23.000 And I know that there's a rabbit hole of learning music that, like, did you ever see the movie Groundhog Day?

00:58:30.000 Yeah.

00:58:30.000 Great movie.

00:58:31.000 Great.

00:58:31.000 Saw it last night.

00:58:32.000 We have family night.

00:58:33.000 We're watching movies.

00:58:34.000 You're going like old school movies.

00:58:35.000 Like I saw you watching Adam Sandler or something.

00:58:37.000 I'm an Adam Sandler junkie right now.

00:58:38.000 I've watched them all. 1.00

00:58:40.000 Dude, his fucking movies are so overrated. 1.00

00:58:43.000 It's insane. 1.00

00:58:44.000 Underrated.

00:58:45.000 Say over?

00:58:46.000 Yeah, I'm saying that a lot.

00:58:47.000 Underrated.

00:58:47.000 At least you got the names right of the movies.

00:58:48.000 Yeah, I got the names right.

00:58:49.000 I saw the Bert Kreischer thing.

00:58:50.000 Excuse me. 0.82

00:58:51.000 His movies are so fucking underrated. 0.61

00:58:53.000 They're amazing. 0.99

00:58:54.000 Look, the fucking Zohan, Don't Mess With the Zohan is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. 0.99

00:58:59.000 I was crying laughing in the movie. 0.99

00:59:01.000 He just goes for it. 0.99

00:59:02.000 These movies are so silly. 0.99

00:59:03.000 They're so good. 0.94

00:59:04.000 But his serious movies are really good.

00:59:06.000 Like his latest one is really good too.

00:59:07.000 I heard it's amazing.

00:59:08.000 I haven't had a chance to see it.

00:59:09.000 Uncut gems.

00:59:10.000 But anyway, in Groundhog Day, which is a Bill Murray movie, different thing, but another old school movie from like 90-something, Bill Murray lives the same life over and over again.

00:59:21.000 And...

00:59:22.000 No matter what he does, kills himself, keeps waking up, same guy over and over again. 0.99

00:59:25.000 But he learns how to play the piano because he's like, fuck it, I should just learn a bunch of things. 0.99

00:59:29.000 And so by the end of the movie, spoiler alert, I mean, it's a fucking 30-year-old movie, but he knows how to play the piano. 0.99

00:59:35.000 He knows how to do a million different things. 0.84

00:59:38.000 And I remember thinking, like, that is really almost what it takes To be an adult and learn how to play the piano, you must have an unlimited amount of time because to delve into music, to really learn how to play...

00:59:50.000 Like if you're a Hendrix fan, I'm a huge Hendrix fan, right?

00:59:53.000 That's the reason why this podcast is named The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:59:56.000 I stole the name from Hendrix.

00:59:57.000 But the idea of me learning how to play guitar, being a Hendrix fan, trying to be as good as Hendrix, or trying to mimic what he...

01:00:07.000 That's too much.

01:00:09.000 That's too far.

01:00:09.000 I'm like, you're walking to the sun.

01:00:11.000 That's too far.

01:00:12.000 You're never going to get there.

01:00:14.000 You know how much time...

01:00:15.000 That's how I look at it.

01:00:16.000 I look at it like it's an impossible time hog.

01:00:19.000 Well, let's see if you can comment on this.

01:00:21.000 Because for me, people ask me about guitar.

01:00:23.000 Like, how the hell do you...

01:00:24.000 Because I do like...

01:00:25.000 You know, I'm a scientist that's doing stuff.

01:00:27.000 Like, how do you have time for the guitar?

01:00:29.000 And the way I've learned guitar...

01:00:32.000 And I won't show off the things I could do today.

01:00:34.000 I'll just show off my terrible voice.

01:00:36.000 Is to practice...

01:00:38.000 Every day for, I would say about five years to practice for like 30 minutes a day.

01:00:44.000 So you just have to, you shouldn't look, I mean you know this, you shouldn't look how far to go to learn Hendrix.

01:00:51.000 Right.

01:00:52.000 Because Hendrix particularly is exceptionally easy scales and chords.

01:00:56.000 You can learn in a day everything he uses.

01:00:59.000 And then just slowly practice.

01:01:02.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Because he uses the basic blues scale.

01:01:03.000 He's a basic blues musician.

01:01:06.000 How dare you?

01:01:11.000 Well, it's like a lot of comedians, they're basic comedians, but they master the timing.

01:01:16.000 Yeah, I think fundamentals is a word that doesn't offend people that means the same thing.

01:01:21.000 In jujitsu, you're a jujitsu black belt, you understand.

01:01:24.000 That's a thing that for whatever reason is, it's bothered so many people that Vinnie Magalesh was talking about Minotauro.

01:01:31.000 They were on the Ultimate Fighter together.

01:01:35.000 Minotaur was one of the coaches and Vinny Magaless was working with someone else and he was saying that Nogueira, who's Minotaur Nogueira, who's a legend. 0.98

01:01:42.000 I mean just a fucking legend.

01:01:44.000 When he was in his prime, man, he's one of my all-time favorite fighters ever. 0.99

01:01:48.000 His fight with Bob Sapp was probably one of the most legendary fights in all of mixed martial arts and one of the best examples of technique over brawn.

01:01:57.000 I mean, and he's an unbelievably tough guy.

01:02:00.000 Minotaur was just an all-time great, but Magalesh, who's a legit world champion, Vinny Magalesh, was talking about Minotaro's jiu-jitsu game, and he said it's very basic.

01:02:12.000 But Minotaro got offended by that.

01:02:14.000 It was really upset at him.

01:02:15.000 But he tried to say, like, I didn't, and I've talked to him about it personally, he's like, I didn't mean it in a bad way.

01:02:21.000 He took it in a bad way, but I was just saying it's the basics.

01:02:23.000 It's like, he does arm bars, triangles, rear naked chokes, guillotines, but it's like razor sharp.

01:02:30.000 Hodger Gracie is a great example of that.

01:02:33.000 Crone, Crone Gracie is a great example of that. 0.89

01:02:37.000 Fundamentals just sharpen to a fucking razor's edge where they just have the perfect guard pass, but standard guard passes, right? 0.96

01:02:46.000 The perfect rear naked choke, the perfect triangle choke. 0.98

01:02:49.000 They just know those values.

01:02:51.000 Fundamentals that you get taught when you're a blue belt, but they have them down to just the most refined way possible.

01:02:59.000 So that's basics in jujitsu.

01:03:02.000 It gets discussed like that.

01:03:03.000 And some people, for whatever reason, they get sensitive about it.

01:03:07.000 And even the modern guys, even Gordon Ryan and all the Donaher death squad people, they have actually very fundamental jiu-jitsu.

01:03:15.000 Oh, unquestionably.

01:03:16.000 They have those techniques for sure.

01:03:20.000 The difference between the Donaher people...

01:03:23.000 There's two differences.

01:03:24.000 One, they have a phenomenally dedicated group of people that have come out of Henzo's because Henzo is an amazing guy and he fostered an incredible sense of community.

01:03:34.000 Also, he's legacy.

01:03:37.000 I mean, Henzo's Henzo Gracie.

01:03:38.000 He's a legend.

01:03:40.000 And he comes from the most famous family in the history of martial arts.

01:03:44.000 And he is easily one of the nicest and friendliest ones of that incredible family.

01:03:50.000 So he's got this gem that's just filled with all these people that are, first of all, honored to be there to train with a legend in a legend school.

01:04:00.000 And two, they all have this incredible sense of community because of Henzo and because of the people that Henzo has taught there.

01:04:05.000 And then you have Donaher.

01:04:07.000 Who's this wizard? 1.00

01:04:08.000 This New Zealand fucking psychopathic genius character. 1.00

01:04:14.000 He's awesome! 1.00

01:04:14.000 He finds the system behind everything, which is amazing. 1.00

01:04:17.000 I mean, listening to him talk, he's a modern-day philosopher warrior.

01:04:21.000 He's a different thing, man.

01:04:22.000 He's a different thing.

01:04:23.000 Donaher's a different thing.

01:04:24.000 And he's a mean genius, you know?

01:04:28.000 And he breaks jujitsu down.

01:04:31.000 And I say mean genius, only compliments.

01:04:33.000 Only compliments, I'm saying. 0.99

01:04:34.000 I mean, he knows how to teach you how to fuck people up, man. 0.98

01:04:40.000 And he does it in an incredibly scientific, systematic way. 0.98

01:04:44.000 The way he makes his system and how these guys can progress from being a beginner to just a few years later being able to tap really high-level black belts is sensational.

01:04:56.000 And that's what people, the reason I brought them up is people often don't think of footlocks or the lower half of the body as a part of the basics, quote unquote.

01:05:06.000 But I think Donahar is one of the people who, with Dean Lister and so on, who helped discover the basics of footlocks.

01:05:12.000 Yeah, there's a famous quote from Lister.

01:05:14.000 Why would you ignore 50% of the body?

01:05:17.000 Yeah.

01:05:17.000 And Donagher talked about it on my podcast and he's like, why would you?

01:05:20.000 You see that fucking genius brain spinning? 0.99

01:05:25.000 That was the greatest podcast ever. 1.00

01:05:27.000 I enjoyed the shit out of it. 0.93

01:05:28.000 He was correcting your flawed breakdown of different fights. 0.98

01:05:31.000 It was great.

01:05:33.000 I love his breakdown also of Gordon Ryan versus Cyborg.

01:05:37.000 That was very, very interesting.

01:05:38.000 Very, very interesting, because that was a big moment. 0.99

01:05:41.000 When Gordon Ryan tapped Cyborg, everybody was like, whoa, holy shit. 0.96

01:05:46.000 Like, people knew he was for real. 0.96

01:05:48.000 It wasn't like people were doubting he was an amazing grappler.

01:05:50.000 But when he pretty easily tapped Cyborg, it was a real wake-up call for a lot of folks.

01:05:56.000 Yes, but on the point of basics, it's interesting when compared to music, this is what's mysterious to me about watching Jiu Jitsu, watching Haja Gracie, is you watch him do basics and destroy some of the greatest black belts ever.

01:06:13.000 But I can't see...

01:06:15.000 I can't see what he's doing, actually.

01:06:17.000 So when you roll, I rolled with Salo Hibero and Shanji Hibero.

01:06:22.000 Both guys, another example of that style.

01:06:24.000 Crushing pressure passes, too. 0.99

01:06:27.000 Their top game is just fucking horrendous. 0.98

01:06:30.000 But they're doing the same stuff I do, but it feels different. 0.98

01:06:34.000 And only by feeling it do I discover it.

01:06:37.000 The cool thing about music is I can actually, it's more, it reveals itself clearer by, you can hear the difference between Hendrix, like Stevie Ray Vaughan playing a bend.

01:06:47.000 Like I played Comfortably Numb, a cover of Comfortably Numb, and I put up a video.

01:06:52.000 And a bunch of people were like, your bends are not quite like David Gilmour.

01:06:58.000 The way you bend this, you know.

01:07:01.000 Yeah, that sound, that special sound, the Gary Clark Jr. sound, the Stevie Ray Vaughan sound, the Jimi Hendrix sound. 0.99

01:07:08.000 They're playing some basic shit. 0.94

01:07:09.000 I know how to play all of it. 0.99

01:07:12.000 One of the first things I learned is Texas Flood by Stevie Ray Vaughan. 0.99

01:07:18.000 I know how to play it, but there's got to be a soul in there that requires decades of playing the same stupid bends. 0.98

01:07:25.000 And then also dating a few questionable women, having an alcohol problem, drugs, all of that's in there. 0.98

01:07:35.000 Isn't that interesting that it is in there?

01:07:37.000 Yeah, so that and the same with jiu-jitsu.

01:07:40.000 In order to do that X-joke from Mount that Hadjir does, there's something in there. 0.98

01:07:45.000 Like he's been through some wars in order to achieve that brilliant simplicity.

01:07:50.000 No doubt.

01:07:51.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 There's a thing about music too that it seems that there's a big difference between doing it Figuring you like paint trying to keep track of what the chords are and what the notes are and Someone who knows knows they know know they get their deep in it So there's no wondering whether or not they can play it It's just simply an expression of mood in the midst of playing it that you get from like Some of Stevie Ray Vaughan shit is a good example that he

01:08:22.000 had a very bluesy moody version of guitar playing you know like some of his stuff like you could you could you could feel like pain in it you know you could feel pain and some of some of his course along with his voice too right he had that live hard voice Yeah,

01:08:43.000 but it was a more of aggressive kind of pain.

01:08:46.000 If you look at like a B.B. King, that's more blues.

01:08:49.000 There's this like soulful, like mellow pain and the thrill is gone.

01:08:54.000 Yes, yes, yes. 1.00

01:08:56.000 And all of it's the same stupid bends. 1.00

01:08:59.000 It's all the same music, but they, yeah, achieving that. 1.00

01:09:04.000 I mean...

01:09:05.000 But the whole point of guitar or music is to discover your own sound.

01:09:11.000 Did you see that...

01:09:14.000 I mean...

01:09:16.000 When you say your own song...

01:09:18.000 I was going to show you something.

01:09:19.000 When you say your own sound...

01:09:24.000 Is it a combination of a bunch of other people's sounds that you've kind of put together and adopted as your own sound?

01:09:33.000 Is it the classic sounds that you've reworked to become your own?

01:09:37.000 Like what is your own sound as a musician?

01:09:40.000 I think it's probably similar to comedy.

01:09:47.000 Your own sound is discovered only once you get technically just good enough to mimic others and then you can just put all the technical bullshit aside And be good enough to try to hear your own voice.

01:10:06.000 So when I played the David Gilmour solo for Comfortably Numb, it doesn't feel like me, to me.

01:10:14.000 Does it not feel like you?

01:10:15.000 Do you because you feel like you're imitating somebody?

01:10:18.000 Or you're just trying to do the music?

01:10:21.000 You're not feeling it?

01:10:22.000 No, no.

01:10:23.000 I'm feeling it.

01:10:24.000 But I feel like I'm visiting a good friend.

01:10:27.000 I feel like it's not home.

01:10:30.000 And that's something you develop over time.

01:10:33.000 There is a home.

01:10:34.000 There is a something...

01:10:36.000 That's a great way of putting it, visiting a good friend.

01:10:39.000 And I think the early days, I really want to make clear, because this is embarrassing, I'm not playing guitar enough these days to be impressive, so...

01:10:50.000 Don't! 0.57

01:10:50.000 Get out of your own head. 0.57

01:10:52.000 Get out of your own head.

01:10:53.000 Dude, I love acoustic music.

01:10:54.000 I posted, when Bill Withers died, I posted Ain't No Sunshine, the acoustic version. 0.99

01:11:02.000 Goddamn! 0.98

01:11:03.000 Goddamn that was good. 1.00

01:11:06.000 That fucking acoustic version. 1.00

01:11:08.000 You know, I started... 1.00

01:11:09.000 It's so sad when someone dies.

01:11:12.000 You, um...

01:11:14.000 That's when you really get into them.

01:11:16.000 I've been on this crazy Bill Withers kick for the past couple days since he died.

01:11:22.000 That Use Me song? 0.98

01:11:24.000 Goddamn, is that a good song? 0.98

01:11:26.000 I don't know that one. 0.98

01:11:27.000 Oh, I wish we could play it.

01:11:28.000 I wish we could play it.

01:11:30.000 God, after the show, I'll play it for you. 1.00

01:11:32.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:11:33.000 There's so much of his stuff. 1.00

01:11:35.000 You know, it just makes you want to close your eyes and rock your head back and forth, you know?

01:11:40.000 It's just...

01:11:41.000 And when a guy dies, you go, Oh, yeah!

01:11:45.000 Oh, Grandma's hands! 1.00

01:11:47.000 Oh, yeah!

01:11:48.000 Yeah, Grandma's hands.

01:11:49.000 Oh, Lean on me! 1.00

01:11:49.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

01:11:51.000 You know? 0.99

01:11:52.000 That's one of the things I did, you know, self-isolation now, is for the first time in a long time, this will sound weird, is I actually like laid in bed and listened to music for like, just listen.

01:12:06.000 Maybe a lot of people do this.

01:12:07.000 I don't usually do it.

01:12:08.000 Usually I'm doing something else.

01:12:10.000 I actually like laid there for the explicit purpose of just listening.

01:12:14.000 Yeah.

01:12:14.000 It's kind of, it's amazing.

01:12:16.000 It's an amazing experience.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, there's some real value in that. 0.99

01:12:21.000 And we just put music on while we do other shit. 0.59

01:12:24.000 Like working out and stuff. 0.95

01:12:25.000 You know who's really into that just listening to music is Henry Rollins.

01:12:30.000 When I did the podcast with him, he really improved.

01:12:34.000 Did we do two?

01:12:35.000 We did two, right?

01:12:37.000 Was Rollins on twice?

01:12:39.000 Anyway, maybe.

01:12:42.000 I think he was.

01:12:43.000 I love him.

01:12:44.000 It's like giant speakers or something. 1.00

01:12:46.000 Well, he has these crazy fucking... 1.00

01:12:48.000 Yes, he was. 1.00

01:12:49.000 Thank you.

01:12:50.000 He's got speakers that are worth like a quarter of a million dollars or something preposterous.

01:12:54.000 He's dumped all of his money in his speakers. 0.99

01:12:56.000 He said, I fucking love him. 0.99

01:12:58.000 He's so unique. 0.97

01:12:59.000 And he just picks out a record and he treats these records and the creation of these records with reverence, right?

01:13:09.000 And it's really interesting to me because he's a guy who became famous as a musician.

01:13:14.000 And doesn't even do music anymore.

01:13:16.000 He basically does spoken word.

01:13:18.000 He does like his version of like kind of stand up and he's always writing.

01:13:24.000 He's very inspirational in terms of his work ethic.

01:13:27.000 He's always writing.

01:13:28.000 He writes constantly for a bunch of different publications weekly.

01:13:32.000 And then he also puts together a radio show every week.

01:13:35.000 So he puts together a playlist and he puts it on the radio and he narrates it and talks through it and guides people through his musical selections.

01:13:42.000 But he'll just sit there.

01:13:44.000 And that was like, listening to him talk about that was one of the first times I've ever actually considered like, oh yeah, there's like real value in just sitting down and just listening to music.

01:13:54.000 And one of the things that worries me about Henry is, so he's not, I don't think, married and doesn't have family.

01:14:03.000 While that life seems appealing, I was, because I'm in danger of going that direction.

01:14:08.000 How old are you?

01:14:10.000 36. Come on, man, you're fine.

01:14:13.000 No, but I love so many things about this world, just like Henry, right?

01:14:16.000 Right.

01:14:17.000 That it's easy to let life slip away.

01:14:21.000 Yes.

01:14:22.000 It's a funny thing.

01:14:24.000 Because taken in one way, family and kids and wife is a kind of distraction.

01:14:32.000 It's just yet another passion in a sea of passions.

01:14:37.000 It can often just be a distraction.

01:14:39.000 But at the same time, The ability to share that over a long life, to share your passions, seems to be...

01:14:48.000 Like, everything I've seen, I don't have the experience, right?

01:14:50.000 But everything I've seen, it is a profound additive...

01:14:54.000 It's a profound thing to be able to share your passions with others close to you.

01:15:00.000 I guess that doesn't have to be family.

01:15:01.000 It is that, but...

01:15:03.000 There's something different on top of that.

01:15:07.000 My friend Ray, Ray who goes by, what is he called?

01:15:11.000 Ragunoff?

01:15:12.000 How do you say it?

01:15:14.000 His name is Ray Capo.

01:15:16.000 He said something to me once when we were both really young, more than 10 years ago, probably when I was training with him, probably 2013, like 15, 16 years ago, maybe even 17 years ago, somewhere around that range.

01:15:31.000 But we were younger and he was talking about children and having children.

01:15:34.000 That for him it was there was part of it that was for his own personal edification Like he thought of children as being important for his own like growth as a human and you know raise of deeply spiritual guys a yoga teacher and he's like And I never thought of it that way.

01:15:55.000 I was like you look at it like for your own and I'm like, okay and I think As a man and in raising these little girls and seeing these daughters grow up and for sure I've learned a lot about human beings.

01:16:14.000 But also, I learned a lot myself about my perception of humans, of babies to people.

01:16:23.000 And I've talked about this on stage briefly, but it's too weird to sort of articulate in a joke.

01:16:30.000 I used to always think of people as being a static thing.

01:16:34.000 Like I'd see a guy and he's a 55-year-old, you know, truck driver.

01:16:38.000 And I would think that guy has always been that guy.

01:16:41.000 And now I go, oh, you used to be a baby.

01:16:44.000 Like, I knew.

01:16:45.000 Like, if you asked me, hey, was this guy ever a baby?

01:16:47.000 I would say, well, of course he was a baby.

01:16:48.000 But I had never intellectualized it.

01:16:50.000 I never looked at it.

01:16:52.000 And it instantly gave me so much more compassion and so much more, like... 1.00

01:17:00.000 Acceptance of people, like a relaxed acceptance, like a forgiveness of a lot of stupid shit that people do and have done. 1.00

01:17:07.000 I almost immediately, in raising kids, shifted that and thought, oh, you guys just got fucked over. 1.00

01:17:18.000 You meet an asshole, you're like, oh, your dad was probably a piece of shit. 1.00

01:17:21.000 And you probably grew up in a terrible neighborhood. 1.00

01:17:22.000 And you're probably, you know, ruined by your older brothers who are assholes. 1.00

01:17:26.000 And maybe you lived in a neighborhood where kids were stealing from you and beating you up. 1.00

01:17:31.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:17:32.000 Like, that's how you get to be this guy. 1.00

01:17:34.000 You don't get to be this guy because you just choose to be a piece of shit. 1.00

01:17:38.000 You know, that's not what happens to people. 1.00

01:17:39.000 You become something from your circumstances, your genetics.

01:17:45.000 There's so much involved in who you are.

01:17:48.000 And we, I don't think there's any, there's not much value in being mad at someone for who they are. 0.97

01:17:54.000 You know, you could kind of be mad at the impact that it has on your life, their stupidity, and we're all, you know, justified in doing that.

01:18:02.000 But I think one of the things about having children of your own is you realize when you see someone who's a mess, like, okay, I kind of see, I understand how that can happen now. 0.97

01:18:13.000 It was before I would just be mad that it's there.

01:18:15.000 It's kind of amazing, though, that...

01:18:19.000 A lot of us, I mean, at least for me, you remain, from the self, from the ego perspective, you remain the same person.

01:18:27.000 Like, there's a lot of parts of me that it's still, like, sometimes I feel like I'm the same 12-year-old kid.

01:18:32.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:18:34.000 Yeah.

01:18:34.000 And especially when there's trauma, then that stuff gets stuck, right?

01:18:39.000 Like, you had Eric Weinstein on, right, a couple days ago.

01:18:43.000 He just released this...

01:18:46.000 I'm plugging theoretical physics, right?

01:18:49.000 His Geometric Unity lecture.

01:18:51.000 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 And that's something he's been holding on for more than 30 years.

01:18:54.000 And there's been a lot of...

01:18:56.000 That's something that's been occupying his mind space.

01:19:01.000 He's just a 20-year-old kid releasing this now.

01:19:05.000 That's why it's such a liberating step.

01:19:07.000 And for a lot of us, it's...

01:19:08.000 I'm the same.

01:19:09.000 Probably this guitar is the same 12-year-old, 13-year-old kid who fell in love with music, and the same just goes to everything else.

01:19:19.000 How old do you feel?

01:19:22.000 When I'm talking to my mom, I feel like I'm like 15. 15?

01:19:26.000 Yeah, for real.

01:19:28.000 You sound different?

01:19:29.000 No, I sound the same, because I always sound like a 15-year-old.

01:19:33.000 Well played.

01:19:34.000 Yeah, true.

01:19:36.000 I feel like my mom's kid.

01:19:40.000 You know?

01:19:41.000 I talk to her now.

01:19:42.000 It's like they're real worried about this stuff.

01:19:46.000 They're real worried about coronavirus.

01:19:49.000 How is she?

01:19:49.000 Society-wide or just individual?

01:19:52.000 She's like literally... 0.91

01:19:53.000 She's worried about it physically.

01:19:54.000 You know, she's a woman in her 70s.

01:19:57.000 It's just, you know, my stepdad too.

01:20:00.000 It's like, their feelings are justified.

01:20:03.000 It's dangerous.

01:20:04.000 It's dangerous for them.

01:20:05.000 It's different than it is for us, you know?

01:20:07.000 And even for us, it's not universally gonna be okay.

01:20:12.000 There's people that are very young that have had serious complications and even have died.

01:20:18.000 Guys in their early 30s, dead.

01:20:20.000 So, you know, everybody's a little weirded out, but when I talk to my mom, I always feel Like I felt when I lived in the house.

01:20:31.000 I don't know if you ever experienced this, but one of the things that I experienced is when I went back home, when I went back to Newton.

01:20:41.000 I grew up in Newton, Upper Falls.

01:20:43.000 When I went back, when I was a grown man with a television show, I was on TV, I felt like a loser. 0.93

01:20:50.000 Still felt like a loser. 0.78

01:20:51.000 I'd go back to that town and I feel like I felt, when I was in high school there, I felt like an outcast and I felt like a weirdo and I felt like a loser. 0.89

01:21:02.000 And so I'd go back there and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I'm a loser.

01:21:04.000 I gotta get out of here.

01:21:06.000 There's like a part of you, I mean, I went back again with my family a few years back and I didn't have that feeling anymore.

01:21:14.000 But then you were the father of That helped too, but it's also a lot of thinking, you know, years and years and years of thinking and years of trying to appreciate all the things you've learned and process them correctly.

01:21:28.000 Do your best to have the best, most balanced perspective on what this all is.

01:21:32.000 So then when I was going back, I was just...

01:21:34.000 Really what I was tripping out more than anything is about the concept of memories, you know, because I have this weird database where I can go to this strange part of the planet Earth, this weird patch of land known as Newton Upper Falls, and I can go.

01:21:50.000 And it was surprisingly rural.

01:21:53.000 That was what was really weird.

01:21:54.000 I kind of remembered it, but then I didn't...

01:21:57.000 My wife grew up in a terrible neighborhood. 1.00

01:21:59.000 And when we went together, she grew up in a really just crime-ridden when she was really young.

01:22:06.000 And so when I took her to where I was like, you grew up easy.

01:22:09.000 This is nothing.

01:22:10.000 We were laughing about it.

01:22:11.000 But it was a lot of fields.

01:22:14.000 The Charles River was right behind my house.

01:22:16.000 I could go right across the street and hang out in the Charles River.

01:22:19.000 A lot of woods. 0.99

01:22:20.000 There was a lot of rural shit there that I kind of forgot about. 0.98

01:22:23.000 But it's a kind of time travel, just going back there. 0.98

01:22:26.000 It is.

01:22:26.000 It's also like you're accessing files.

01:22:29.000 Like, I stood in front of my old house, and I'm accessing these files.

01:22:33.000 I'm like, whoa.

01:22:34.000 And I remember there's stairs that I always...

01:22:37.000 There's these stairs that lead up...

01:22:39.000 I lived next to a place called Echo Bridge.

01:22:41.000 Echo Bridge is kind of a famous landmark, because you can go under Echo Bridge and yell, and Echo Bridge echoes, and has this crazy, like, thing.

01:22:48.000 And so we'd get drunk and go into there and sing Billy Squire songs, like...

01:22:52.000 Lonely is a night when you find yourself alone.

01:22:57.000 That was my, you know, 1980s style high school experience.

01:23:01.000 But going back there as a grown man, you know, and then...

01:23:08.000 And a grown man who's at least gained some Grasp of perspective, you know, I was in my 40s at the time and Wandering around this town.

01:23:19.000 It just was very interesting to to This the concept of memory was very stunning to me the concept of Accessing all these different moments where I'm thinking about different times in my life I was in these different areas and different things happen and interacted with people and I can kind of pull those up and then so it's a memory is such a strange thing man It's so strange because we all know it's flawed.

01:23:49.000 We all know it's filled with holes.

01:23:51.000 It's it's like a terrible representation of reality like if you bought memory and Like if you said, you know, hey, I'm gonna get a memory.

01:24:02.000 This guy was, he fucking won the Heisman in college and I'm gonna download his memories.

01:24:07.000 It should be awesome. 0.81

01:24:09.000 You get that guy's memories like this is nothing.

01:24:11.000 You barely remember anything.

01:24:13.000 You have a slideshow and a narrative.

01:24:15.000 You have a weird blurry slideshow that you can kind of play in the back of your head and then you have a narrative of how it all went down.

01:24:23.000 But that narrative, I mean, it's terrible in terms of accuracy, but in terms of its power and influence on your life is amazing.

01:24:34.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 Oh, undeniable.

01:24:35.000 Undeniable.

01:24:35.000 But, you know, pro and con, right?

01:24:38.000 That's what psychiatry is about, is rewriting narratives that are the cons.

01:24:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:45.000 Sure.

01:24:46.000 And perspectives about that, too.

01:24:48.000 That's where psychedelic drugs come in play, too.

01:24:50.000 Psychedelic, too, yeah.

01:24:52.000 And, yeah, I still feel like a loser when I go back to my parents.

01:24:56.000 I become a 13. It's so weird!

01:25:00.000 I find myself, like, defending, like, basically saying, you know, Mom and Dad, I'm not a loser.

01:25:05.000 Like, I'm trying to justify... 0.98

01:25:09.000 Well, how about all these poor people that have to move back in with their parents because they lose their house because of this fucking crisis? 0.97

01:25:14.000 And maybe lose their dream if they're doing a small business. 0.98

01:25:19.000 Yeah, how many restaurants are going under right now?

01:25:22.000 I mean, it might be more than 50% of small businesses. 0.99

01:25:27.000 Goddamn. 0.99

01:25:28.000 And I don't think we've felt the pain. 0.99

01:25:31.000 There's people suffering right now quietly.

01:25:33.000 And we haven't seen...

01:25:35.000 It's so weird.

01:25:36.000 It's such a crazy subject because I could feel the opportunities for people to get outraged at us even talking about it.

01:25:45.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:25:45.000 In this sort of speculative way that we're doing like now, like how many people are gonna like it's almost like people could think that it's not it doesn't give enough respect to the enormity of the moment because it's so so scary for all of us We're all in the middle of this shit right now, 0.96

01:26:02.000 man. 0.99

01:26:02.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:26:04.000 This is the craziest time I've ever experienced being alive. 0.99

01:26:09.000 Driving down the streets in LA and there's no one on the road.

01:26:13.000 You know, drive to a grocery store. 0.99

01:26:14.000 There's fucking no one out there. 0.99

01:26:16.000 There's people headed to hardware stores and grocery stores. 0.99

01:26:19.000 Or gun stores.

01:26:22.000 It just feels...

01:26:24.000 One of the unfortunate things is it feels like we don't know what's happening out there.

01:26:29.000 Yeah, it's new.

01:26:30.000 But here's the good thing.

01:26:31.000 This is one thing that I want to crack home to people.

01:26:36.000 It is not good that all these people are out of work, but look at how much compliance we have when we know we have to work together to save lives.

01:26:42.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

01:26:44.000 Yes. 1.00

01:26:44.000 It's not like all these bars are like, fuck you, we're open. 1.00

01:26:47.000 It's not like people are just flooding the streets. 0.99

01:26:49.000 I mean, you had a bunch of young people that are having spring break that got in trouble and people were mad at them.

01:26:56.000 You gotta realize these are 18-year-old people. 1.00

01:26:58.000 Their fucking brains aren't even formed. 1.00

01:27:00.000 Their brains are mush. 1.00

01:27:02.000 You can't fault them. 1.00

01:27:05.000 You would be doing the exact same thing.

01:27:06.000 We would all be doing the exact same thing.

01:27:08.000 These are children.

01:27:09.000 But for the adults, It's kind of incredible.

01:27:14.000 They shut everything down.

01:27:15.000 They really did.

01:27:17.000 It's shut down.

01:27:18.000 Everybody shut down.

01:27:19.000 You do a few things, you go home, and everybody settles.

01:27:22.000 There's not this mass traveling and constant interaction with people, this swarm of interactions that could lead to the spread of a virus. 0.87

01:27:31.000 Instead, there's Pretty fucking incredible levels of compliance.

01:27:35.000 If you look at the United States overall, you look at this human race that's stuck on this continent together. 0.83

01:27:41.000 Overall, there is a stunning level of compliance that I think is beautiful.

01:27:45.000 I think it's beautiful. 0.96

01:27:46.000 I think it's people realizing, okay, it's time to realize that some shit has actually happened, and we've got to band together, and we've got to figure this out. 0.97

01:27:54.000 And you got the usual suspects, conspiracy theories and 5G and fucking, they just pulled the David Icke interview. 0.97

01:28:00.000 David Icke did an interview with London Real. 0.92

01:28:03.000 Yeah.

01:28:03.000 I don't know what he said.

01:28:04.000 I didn't watch it.

01:28:05.000 I watched a small clip of it.

01:28:06.000 It's something to put up.

01:28:07.000 I wanted to see what kind of wackiness he was saying. 0.58

01:28:09.000 You know, he's a guy who thinks that all the elites are lizard people.

01:28:13.000 Do you know that?

01:28:13.000 No, no.

01:28:14.000 I never fully investigated that.

01:28:17.000 He's a conspiracy guy. 0.99

01:28:20.000 I don't know if he goes into the lizard people shit anymore, but he used to think they were literally like Transformers. 0.99

01:28:26.000 Like they were transforming to lizard people behind closed doors. 0.97

01:28:30.000 Well, YouTube took his video down, which I found very interesting.

01:28:35.000 The London Real conversation?

01:28:37.000 Yes, they deleted it.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, YouTube pulled it.

01:28:40.000 So, the question is, like, when it comes to these kind of, like, there's so many wacky theories that are online, right, about everything.

01:28:51.000 It's craziness, right, about virtually everything.

01:28:54.000 At what point in time do these media companies have a responsibility to pull that stuff down?

01:28:59.000 And how do they decide?

01:29:01.000 How do they know who's right and who's wrong?

01:29:04.000 I'm not saying he's right.

01:29:06.000 I don't even know what he said.

01:29:07.000 But how do they make the distinction that what he's saying is incorrect? 0.99

01:29:14.000 There's so much incorrect shit that's online. 0.96

01:29:17.000 Are you going to pull all that too? 0.98

01:29:18.000 Is it just because it's COVID-19?

01:29:20.000 Is it because it's a global pandemic and we need to make sure that the right information gets out there?

01:29:26.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 So having talked to YouTube engineers and execs, they kind of have these policies.

01:29:35.000 There's these quote-unquote policies, right?

01:29:37.000 So you want to remain science-based, fact-based.

01:29:40.000 You want to avoid conspiracy theories and so on.

01:29:43.000 Which to me always feels...

01:29:46.000 Okay, a lot of people agree with that policy.

01:29:49.000 Even conspiracy theorists agree with it in the sense that let's remove lies and keep only the truth on our platform.

01:29:57.000 But the point is, how open-minded are you to what the truth is?

01:30:03.000 Right.

01:30:05.000 Let's get to something that's like a universally accepted story.

01:30:09.000 Well, not universally accepted, but universally recognized story.

01:30:11.000 The Kennedy assassination.

01:30:14.000 Universally understood.

01:30:16.000 What I mean is it's a story that everybody knows.

01:30:19.000 And the story is questioned.

01:30:22.000 Almost universal.

01:30:23.000 Here's a better one.

01:30:24.000 Epstein.

01:30:26.000 Epstein's killer.

01:30:27.000 That's one.

01:30:28.000 Nobody thinks that that guy hung himself.

01:30:30.000 No one.

01:30:31.000 How about that guy?

01:30:32.000 So if you have various theories or various stories that people come out and talk about with that one, Yeah, and I just actually, yesterday, listened to Eric Weinstein's solo podcast on Jeffrey Epstein.

01:30:46.000 I don't know if you've caught it.

01:30:49.000 He talks about his kind of conspiracy view of it.

01:30:52.000 I wish I was there when he met him.

01:30:54.000 That would have been fascinating to see.

01:30:56.000 Eric is too smart.

01:30:58.000 He's almost like too smart. 1.00

01:31:00.000 He's one of those guys you talk to him like, oh, you poor bastard. 1.00

01:31:02.000 You're burdened. 1.00

01:31:03.000 You're burdened trying to make sense of the world around apes, you know? 1.00

01:31:08.000 And all the trauma of, like we were talking about, he's still also the 13, the 20-year-old kid.

01:31:13.000 So he's seeing, he had a few run-ins with authority, which makes him suspicious of authority.

01:31:20.000 And I think our life experience defines that.

01:31:24.000 So you can see Epstein in a lot of different ways depending on how you've experienced life.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:31:32.000 If you were there...

01:31:34.000 I can tell you...

01:31:37.000 Very nice.

01:31:38.000 A little CBD kill cliff on your...

01:31:41.000 I like it.

01:31:43.000 I know actually quite a lot of people that have met Epstein.

01:31:48.000 Do you really?

01:31:49.000 Yeah, because you're in the scientific community, right?

01:31:50.000 Yeah, and especially at MIT. He was a big donor.

01:31:53.000 He tainted a lot of people's reputations by knowing him in a weird way.

01:31:57.000 Basically, if you took a picture with him, your reputation is tainted.

01:32:01.000 Yeah.

01:32:02.000 Yeah, whether you knew him or not.

01:32:04.000 But I think...

01:32:07.000 I do think that, outside of conspiracy theories, that he was an exceptionally charming person.

01:32:15.000 So he was good, you know...

01:32:17.000 At charming people, you mean?

01:32:18.000 At charming people.

01:32:18.000 Yeah, and I don't mean to make it sound...

01:32:21.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

01:32:21.000 Positive or negative, it is what it is.

01:32:23.000 The devil is gonna be charming, so...

01:32:26.000 Right, right.

01:32:27.000 And the other thing is he genuinely showed curiosity Towards scientific ideas, even out there, big scientific, especially...

01:32:38.000 What do you think that was, though?

01:32:40.000 Have you ever thought about that?

01:32:42.000 Do you think that it's possible that...

01:32:45.000 Look, I mean, if you just look at it from a perspective of the big theory, the big theory, right, is that he's some sort of a intelligence operative, right?

01:32:57.000 Yes.

01:32:57.000 So if he's an intelligence operative, Don't you think it's part of his job to try to infiltrate these scientific communities?

01:33:06.000 I mean, there must have been a directive.

01:33:07.000 If he really is an intelligence operative, it's not like they're like, hey, go pursue your interest.

01:33:13.000 Hey, I hear you have a really big love of science.

01:33:17.000 Just feel free to do that on the side. 0.99

01:33:18.000 No, what the fuck was he doing? 1.00

01:33:20.000 If he's an intelligence operative, what is the intelligence of having sex with underage girls? 1.00

01:33:25.000 It can't be that. 0.91

01:33:26.000 Well, the idea that Eric pushes forward...

01:33:29.000 By the way, I'm talking to him on the podcast I do tomorrow, which is why I'm talking about him a lot.

01:33:33.000 So I've been preparing for like a three-hour conversation with Eric Weinstein, which will kill most...

01:33:39.000 Have you met him before?

01:33:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:40.000 I already did a podcast once.

01:33:42.000 And I've met him and I hung out with him and you and at the Comedy Store.

01:33:45.000 Oh, that's right.

01:33:45.000 That's right.

01:33:46.000 But it's always an overwhelmingly intense experience intellectually. 0.99

01:33:52.000 And in a podcast form, you have to call people out on their bullshit, which is very hard to do with Eric Weinstein. 0.98

01:33:58.000 Yeah, that theory, boy, I checked out 10 minutes into that theory. 0.99

01:34:02.000 Oh, the geometric theory?

01:34:03.000 Yeah, and I tried to go back to it and listen to it again.

01:34:05.000 I'm like, while he was talking, I'm like, okay, I'm so far behind here of what he's, I'm just gonna, like, try to keep up, but recognize that I'm not going to, and then go back.

01:34:15.000 And then listen to it again.

01:34:16.000 Well, he hates putting stuff into words simply.

01:34:19.000 Yeah.

01:34:20.000 He's like allergic to saying simple stuff because it's not beautiful and witty.

01:34:24.000 So he always like drenches everything in humor and wit and this like beautiful language.

01:34:30.000 Well, he talks to the initiated.

01:34:32.000 When he's describing complex things, he describes them to people that understand complex things.

01:34:38.000 No, but it's also, I mean, this is the criticism I have, this is what I'm going to nail tomorrow and always tell him, is he almost, he hates explaining the basics of something.

01:34:49.000 He just skips ahead, right?

01:34:52.000 Even for the initiated, it's nice to go to the basics to explain, like, what are the ground we're standing on.

01:34:57.000 He skips right into the depth of things, which is beautiful, but sometimes requires you to listen.

01:35:03.000 Again, he's too smart.

01:35:05.000 He's hanging out with apes like me.

01:35:06.000 But he, on Epstein, he thinks that, yeah, his arm, it's possible that Epstein is, sorry, what was the term you used, of the intelligence?

01:35:19.000 Intelligence community?

01:35:20.000 Is it operative?

01:35:20.000 Operative of the intelligence community, but the the pedophile thing is a mess up on the part of the intelligent so they didn't know they didn't know so well it could it could also be That he felt like he get me remember when this is all started out when he started out doing that It was all before social media,

01:35:41.000 right?

01:35:42.000 So he probably thought that he had this incredible amount of power because of the fact that he was connected by the intelligence community, if he was.

01:35:50.000 He probably thought he could get away with it.

01:35:52.000 Makes you wonder of all the horrible things that happened in this world before social media, before the spread of information was possible.

01:36:00.000 Oh, craziness.

01:36:01.000 Just sheer craziness, you know?

01:36:03.000 And it's like, how about the Catholic Church?

01:36:07.000 Still might be going on, right?

01:36:08.000 It's 100% going on. 0.98

01:36:10.000 It's not like, hey guys, the fucking heat's too hot. 1.00

01:36:12.000 Let's stop fucking kids. 1.00

01:36:14.000 No, they're still getting away with it somehow or another. 1.00

01:36:16.000 You know, the Vatican is still its own country.

01:36:18.000 You know that, right?

01:36:19.000 It's sort of recognized as a country.

01:36:22.000 They have their own laws.

01:36:23.000 They don't extradite people. 0.97

01:36:24.000 So there's a bunch of sex criminals that live in the Vatican.

01:36:28.000 And there was a recent thing with Australia where they acquitted some, I believe it was a cardinal, that was accused of sex crimes with children. 0.98

01:36:40.000 It's awful, man.

01:36:41.000 The idea that that one church is so connected to that. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Like, there's not another church you go, oh, kid fuckers. 1.00

01:36:50.000 Catholic Church, kid fuckers. 1.00

01:36:52.000 They're like that. 1.00

01:36:53.000 They go hand in hand.

01:36:54.000 You don't, there's nothing like that with, like, Mormons. 1.00

01:36:57.000 There's nothing like that with Presbyterians. 1.00

01:36:59.000 But the Catholic Church is, like, inexorably connected to child molesters. 1.00

01:37:04.000 That is fucking crazy. 0.99

01:37:07.000 And that we all know that they have shielded these people and moved these people around. 0.99

01:37:11.000 There's been horrendous documentaries that if you watch them, your jaw drops.

01:37:15.000 You can't believe it.

01:37:16.000 Did you ever hear No Evil?

01:37:17.000 Did you ever watch that documentary?

01:37:20.000 That's not the one where the Boston Globe...

01:37:23.000 I don't know.

01:37:24.000 The one that won the Oscar.

01:37:25.000 I don't know if that was...

01:37:27.000 A documentary, sorry.

01:37:28.000 It was a documentary.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 No, it was all about this...

01:37:32.000 Well, there's a bunch of them.

01:37:34.000 I mean, I don't even want to get into depth about it because I get disgusted.

01:37:37.000 There's quite a few documentaries about sex crimes in the Catholic Church, and one of the more horrendous crimes involved that guy Ratzinger that they had to kick out as a pope.

01:37:47.000 You know, that guy was personally responsible for moving a priest who was molesting kids, moved him to a new place where he molested 100 deaf kids. 0.62

01:37:57.000 Yeah.

01:37:58.000 Just imagine.

01:37:59.000 Just imagine that you could be, that that person can exist inside the structure of the Catholic religion or the Catholic Church.

01:38:08.000 And that doesn't mean they're all like that.

01:38:10.000 I mean, I'm sure there's a large amount of beautiful people that are involved in the Catholic Church.

01:38:15.000 You know, there's probably a large amount of people that really only want to do the work of God and become a better person, and that's why they're in it.

01:38:23.000 But You also can't deny that this is a thing that exists.

01:38:28.000 And even in 2020, this is still an issue.

01:38:31.000 It's crazy, man.

01:38:33.000 And one of those issues, just like influenza, that we've accepted as a thing that...

01:38:40.000 Yes.

01:38:41.000 Because it's not new.

01:38:43.000 Yes.

01:38:44.000 What is that?

01:38:45.000 That's so weird.

01:38:46.000 That's so true.

01:38:47.000 What you just said.

01:38:48.000 You just nailed it.

01:38:50.000 Yeah, it's just, and there's all kinds of other types of suffering that's just in the background.

01:38:55.000 Malaria.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 All the problems that only Bill Gates worries about.

01:39:01.000 Well, everybody, apparently people that were at his, were you at his 2015 speech when he was talking about it?

01:39:09.000 Have you listened to that speech?

01:39:11.000 No, I have not.

01:39:12.000 He's like spot-on predicting everything.

01:39:15.000 Really?

01:39:15.000 Yeah, I mean, and he's still right.

01:39:18.000 Forget coronavirus.

01:39:19.000 I mean, basically, the thing in this century that's likely to kill 500 million people is natural pandemics.

01:39:29.000 Yeah.

01:39:30.000 I mean, what we're going through now is nothing.

01:39:34.000 So, like World War II, for example...

01:39:38.000 Like the stories of just thinking like learning more about my grandfather what was going through Russia and Europe We take for granted now that we can go to the grocery store.

01:39:49.000 We still have food We're kind of talking about it, but like imagine there's no food.

01:39:54.000 That's it.

01:39:54.000 No food.

01:39:55.000 That's it.

01:39:57.000 That you're starving so millions of people gonna die from start and imagine what you're gonna do for your family and Yeah.

01:40:26.000 It can destroy societies in ways we can't imagine.

01:40:32.000 Bill Gates was basically, in his very polite, nerd way, saying that we should really be worried about it.

01:40:37.000 We should really be investing in a huge infrastructure for vaccine development, for testing, all those kinds of things.

01:40:44.000 Yeah, I think because of his charities, you know, he's sort of looked into it a lot deeper than a lot of other folks have.

01:40:51.000 And because he has an infinite amount of time and money, he's probably sitting around thinking like, what is, how come people aren't looking at that?

01:40:59.000 Hey! 0.99

01:41:00.000 Do you think he's ever done psychedelics?

01:41:04.000 If I had to guess, yes.

01:41:06.000 I mean, so many people of his era did.

01:41:09.000 You know, it was a big part of Steve Jobs and his revelations.

01:41:13.000 Although I think he probably should have done more of it.

01:41:16.000 Steve Jobs?

01:41:16.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 Relax him.

01:41:19.000 Make him a little bit nicer.

01:41:22.000 That intensity, that passion is what fuels great engineers.

01:41:26.000 It does.

01:41:27.000 That's the problem, right?

01:41:28.000 It's like to get something that great, you almost have to have that maniacal vision behind it.

01:41:34.000 What do you want, a nice guy or an iPhone?

01:41:37.000 I think you want the iPhone.

01:41:40.000 That's a great meme.

01:41:41.000 That's a great meme.

01:41:42.000 Steve Jobs looking angry.

01:41:45.000 It just says, what do you want, a nice guy or an iPhone?

01:41:49.000 Bill Gates once coyly defended LSD use by saying, I never missed a day of work.

01:41:54.000 Oh, there you go.

01:41:55.000 Yeah, of course he did it.

01:41:57.000 Yeah, of course he did it.

01:41:58.000 They all tried it back then.

01:42:00.000 Why wouldn't they?

01:42:01.000 You know?

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:02.000 I think he got into a little beef with Elon about...

01:42:07.000 I think he said that Tesla... 0.96

01:42:09.000 He said something bad about Tesla not being...

01:42:11.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:42:11.000 He was actually defending...

01:42:13.000 He was talking good about tie cans.

01:42:17.000 About Porsche tie cans.

01:42:18.000 And Elon said he was very unimpressed with him.

01:42:21.000 Because you're reminding me with memes.

01:42:23.000 Somebody replied with a meme of, not a meme, a real video of Bill Gates jumping over a chair.

01:42:31.000 They said, I don't know, I find him impressive.

01:42:34.000 And Elon said, yeah, that's pretty impressive. 0.95

01:42:39.000 I love when tech CEOs of major companies can be silly like that. 0.99

01:42:46.000 Elon's very silly. 0.99

01:42:47.000 He responds to people on Twitter. 1.00

01:42:49.000 He gets silly. 0.90

01:42:50.000 He's having fun. 0.97

01:42:51.000 He's having a good time.

01:42:52.000 This is Bill Gates jumping over a chair.

01:42:55.000 That's a pretty good jump for a nerd.

01:42:58.000 Not bad. 0.89

01:42:59.000 What the hell do you mean for nerd? 0.88

01:43:01.000 I hate that word, by the way. 0.95

01:43:02.000 I love nerd.

01:43:03.000 It's a good word.

01:43:04.000 No, but you don't use it.

01:43:07.000 You don't mean...

01:43:08.000 I don't mean it in a positive way?

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:11.000 Yes, I do.

01:43:11.000 Okay, let me...

01:43:13.000 I do often.

01:43:14.000 You do often. 0.99

01:43:15.000 I mean a guy who is wearing glasses with a fucking sweater with a collared shirt underneath it. 0.99

01:43:22.000 He looks like a nerd. 0.99

01:43:23.000 So you use it positively in that silly kind of way, but you don't think of a nerd as an ideal of a man. 0.93

01:43:34.000 There's nothing wrong with nerds.

01:43:35.000 No, I disagree.

01:43:36.000 My perspective is never like that.

01:43:39.000 Look, I'm a nerd about a lot of things.

01:43:42.000 I mean, there's certain things that I'm a nerd about, for sure.

01:43:46.000 No, I totally...

01:43:48.000 I guess what I'm speaking to, and that's relevant for our time, is that science is not admired in ways...

01:43:55.000 Because I've seen the alternative, especially in the Soviet Union. 0.54

01:43:58.000 The way people admire scientists is the way...

01:44:01.000 They admire great athletes, great creators of all kinds.

01:44:08.000 And nerds sometimes diminishes that in ways that it seems like a peculiar quirk of a human being.

01:44:20.000 It connects it to going to Comic-Con conventions kind of nerd.

01:44:28.000 That's different. 1.00

01:44:29.000 That's a dork. 1.00

01:44:30.000 The dork. 1.00

01:44:32.000 You're a Comic-Con dork. 1.00

01:44:34.000 I think we've gone over this recently. 1.00

01:44:36.000 Dork is rarely positive.

01:44:39.000 Dorf is good if it's self-deprecating. 1.00

01:44:41.000 Call yourself a dork. 1.00

01:44:42.000 God, I'm such a fucking dork. 1.00

01:44:44.000 But it's very rare that dork is positive, whereas nerd is often positive. 1.00

01:44:49.000 Nerd is like, yeah, he's a science nerd. 0.95

01:44:51.000 Heavy, heavy science nerd.

01:44:54.000 Like, that's just a fun way of saying someone's really smart about a certain thing.

01:45:01.000 I know what you're saying, but I don't think the way around that is to eliminate words or even stop using certain words.

01:45:11.000 I think the way around that is just to appreciate people that are really great at science.

01:45:14.000 Yeah.

01:45:15.000 That's the way around that.

01:45:16.000 The words don't really matter.

01:45:18.000 It's perceptions that matter.

01:45:19.000 And I don't think necessarily that science has a bad perception.

01:45:23.000 It just doesn't have a glamorous enough perception.

01:45:26.000 How many people can name Oscar winners that are just really good at lying?

01:45:30.000 They're just really good pretenders.

01:45:32.000 And we can name them, but how many people can name Nobel Prize winners in science?

01:45:36.000 There's very few, right?

01:45:37.000 Exactly.

01:45:38.000 And I guess the thing I was also speaking to, and definitely keep using the word, preventing words is...

01:45:46.000 I don't let nerds tell me what to do.

01:45:48.000 See, there you go.

01:45:51.000 So that's actually the point I was trying to make. 0.75

01:45:55.000 Nerd is synonymous with weak.

01:45:58.000 That I always hated as a person who loves fighting...

01:46:02.000 I like the fact that people are complimenting sort of the pursuit of your scientific curiosity.

01:46:12.000 That is great.

01:46:13.000 But I just never liked...

01:46:14.000 It's the thing I've experienced in this country is nerd as an image is seen as weakness.

01:46:20.000 It gets picked on.

01:46:22.000 And it always annoyed me because to me, intelligence...

01:46:29.000 And nerds annoyed me. 0.90

01:46:31.000 Nerds annoy me because they, like, lean into it. 1.00

01:46:34.000 Like, most people I know are kind of like, don't work out much.

01:46:38.000 Yeah.

01:46:39.000 And they kind of lean into that idea.

01:46:44.000 Do you think they lean into that because they were bullied by people who work out a lot, so they think of those people who work out as like, I don't want to get into their thing. 0.99

01:46:52.000 Those people suck. 1.00

01:46:53.000 They were always mean to me. 1.00

01:46:55.000 Yeah, something like that. 0.98

01:46:56.000 And you kind of create a narrative where, like, jiu-jitsu or fighting is like a brute thing, just like you talked about with Greek statues having small penises. 0.99

01:47:06.000 You say all those barbarians with their big penises. 1.00

01:47:10.000 Yeah, that's what he was telling me. 0.99

01:47:11.000 That's what the professor who was giving us a tour was telling me. 1.00

01:47:14.000 I think you can be a noble person and have a big penis. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Whoa, is that a humble brag? 1.00

01:47:20.000 It's not a humble brag.

01:47:26.000 That's what people don't want, right? 1.00

01:47:30.000 You don't want a guy with a bigger dick than you that's smart. 1.00

01:47:33.000 That's like the same thing. 1.00

01:47:34.000 You don't want a guy or a woman or a guy. 1.00

01:47:37.000 You don't want a woman who's hot and smart. 1.00

01:47:39.000 You know, like when people think of really beautiful women, they automatically assume that woman's dumb. 1.00

01:47:44.000 And oftentimes that is not the case. 0.93

01:47:46.000 Sometimes people just have awesome bone structure.

01:47:49.000 And if they stimulated themselves mentally, if they pursued things, if they had an interest in certain scientific or esoteric ideas and you underestimated them, you'd feel really humiliated if a super smart but super hot girl put you in your place and let you know, 1.00

01:48:11.000 not only am I hot, but I'm fucking smarter than you, stupid. 1.00

01:48:14.000 Men don't ever want to think that. 1.00

01:48:16.000 They almost always love to assume that someone who is pretty is dumb. 0.99

01:48:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:22.000 I love seeing women who dress up pretty sexually. 0.99

01:48:30.000 They're not trying to...

01:48:31.000 And are also brilliant.

01:48:32.000 Yeah.

01:48:33.000 It's like an F you to society.

01:48:35.000 Yeah.

01:48:35.000 I can be both things.

01:48:38.000 Listen, man.

01:48:39.000 Women like dressing like that. 1.00

01:48:41.000 We're different.

01:48:42.000 You know, for us to try to imagine why they like doing it.

01:48:45.000 Well, they're trying to look sexually attractive. 0.94

01:48:47.000 Yes, for sure.

01:48:48.000 But why are they trying to do that?

01:48:49.000 They actually like it, too.

01:48:50.000 They like dressing like that.

01:48:52.000 If we...

01:48:53.000 I often wonder, like, if women were into us dressing like women, like, how many people would do it? 1.00

01:49:02.000 If that became a new thing, like, girls really want to fuck guys who wear skirts. 1.00

01:49:08.000 Isn't that a big deal in Scotland? 1.00

01:49:10.000 That's a kilt.

01:49:11.000 It's a different thing.

01:49:12.000 You mean like a miniskirt? 1.00

01:49:13.000 I'm like fucking the hot little latex jammy that, you know, hugs your curves. 0.99

01:49:20.000 I think you see some dudes in miniskirts. 1.00

01:49:22.000 Shave your legs to do that.

01:49:23.000 That would be like the step.

01:49:24.000 Maybe not.

01:49:24.000 A lot of people wouldn't.

01:49:25.000 Maybe they wouldn't have to shave their legs.

01:49:26.000 No, if you had to.

01:49:27.000 If they're like in, you have to shave your legs to show off those.

01:49:29.000 Maybe that would be the end.

01:49:30.000 But it depends.

01:49:31.000 Why do girls do it? 1.00

01:49:34.000 By the way, how many people find out what their woman really looks like now? 1.00

01:49:38.000 They can't do their eyelashes, they can't do their eyebrows, they can't do their hair, they can't do their nails.

01:49:44.000 Woo! 0.99

01:49:45.000 Well, your haircut is the right haircut.

01:49:48.000 Oh, this is what everybody should get.

01:49:49.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 I wish I did it when I was younger.

01:49:52.000 It's liberating.

01:49:53.000 Yes.

01:49:53.000 From the moment I did it, I was like, of course.

01:49:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:56.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:49:57.000 Especially for someone that's losing their hair. 1.00

01:49:59.000 I'm like, please, just shave your fucking head and just accept it. 1.00

01:50:02.000 Even if you've got a weird-shaped head, that's you. 1.00

01:50:05.000 Okay?

01:50:05.000 Accept it.

01:50:06.000 You're not going to do any better with some weird hair hanging off the back of it.

01:50:09.000 I'm growing it out.

01:50:10.000 You should.

01:50:11.000 Yeah.

01:50:12.000 You got a beautiful head of hair.

01:50:13.000 Look at it.

01:50:13.000 So thick.

01:50:13.000 It's like a brush.

01:50:14.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.000 You could use your hair to brush other people's hair.

01:50:18.000 Thanks for the idea.

01:50:21.000 Yeah, the fact that the barbers are all closed, I mean all of these little aspects of society just kind of, it's kicking in.

01:50:29.000 It's kicking in.

01:50:30.000 I'm hoping things restart and normalize.

01:50:34.000 I'm hoping the economists can figure out some sort of a stimulus package to get things rolling again.

01:50:39.000 I hope we have the resources.

01:50:41.000 I'm hopeful.

01:50:43.000 And I'm also hopeful that the positive aspects of it will stick.

01:50:46.000 This is my perspective.

01:50:48.000 The keto diet is pretty good for this.

01:50:50.000 Is it?

01:50:50.000 I've been enjoying it.

01:50:51.000 Why's that?

01:50:53.000 Well, I don't know.

01:50:54.000 I feel like I can not eat for long periods of time.

01:50:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:57.000 Like fasting, I guess.

01:50:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:59.000 But it does...

01:51:01.000 I mean, I like it.

01:51:02.000 You're not so...

01:51:03.000 You lack the discipline to stay on keto.

01:51:07.000 I just saw your Instagram post today.

01:51:09.000 Well, I was very rarely keto.

01:51:12.000 I did carnivore, though.

01:51:13.000 That was my favorite diet.

01:51:14.000 Yeah, that's why I'm still doing carnivore, just eating burger patties.

01:51:17.000 I just decided while this is all going on, if we might have an issue with food, I'm not going to be picky.

01:51:20.000 I'm just going to eat.

01:51:21.000 For sure.

01:51:22.000 That's just my perspective during this thing.

01:51:24.000 Once everything normalizes, if and when that happens, I'm going to go back to carnivore, I think.

01:51:29.000 But like right now, I'm just going to eat.

01:51:32.000 I'm not going to worry about that.

01:51:33.000 I'm just going to be thankful that I have food.

01:51:35.000 Yeah, carnivore is amazing.

01:51:37.000 It's great for...

01:51:39.000 I've been running longer and longer distances.

01:51:42.000 I did David Goggins.

01:51:45.000 Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that.

01:51:48.000 Tell everybody what you did because it's crazy.

01:51:50.000 You ran four miles every day or every hour.

01:51:53.000 Every four hours.

01:51:54.000 Yeah.

01:51:55.000 It's not that crazy.

01:51:56.000 It's crazy for me.

01:51:57.000 I'm not a runner.

01:51:58.000 So it's 48 miles over a period of 48 hours to two days.

01:52:03.000 The mileage is not that crazy because I was doing like a nine or ten minute mile.

01:52:08.000 So it's not, you know, I'm just running old lady pace.

01:52:11.000 It's a lot of time.

01:52:13.000 The time is in the mind. 1.00

01:52:16.000 I decided after each time to record myself saying something that I'm grateful for, which is a stupid fucking idea. 1.00

01:52:26.000 Why? 0.99

01:52:27.000 No, it's a beautiful idea.

01:52:29.000 But the recording part, because I hated life and I hated everything like halfway through.

01:52:35.000 So I had to be positive when I'm recording myself.

01:52:37.000 So you could only sleep for a couple hours at a time?

01:52:39.000 A couple hours at a time.

01:52:40.000 Were you tired all the time?

01:52:42.000 Like how did that work?

01:52:43.000 I wasn't tired.

01:52:43.000 I was like high.

01:52:44.000 I was like unsure what's happening.

01:52:46.000 I was delirious.

01:52:48.000 Because your body is exhausted in a way that's like, like after a good workout, but it continues going farther and farther into that direction.

01:52:58.000 Runner's high, right?

01:52:59.000 Yeah, it's a high, but there's an exhaustion too.

01:53:03.000 And I was a carnivore.

01:53:06.000 I was hungry, but also overeating.

01:53:10.000 For some reason, I really wanted a full oven-roasted chicken.

01:53:15.000 So on one of the runs, I ran by the grocery store, picked up an oven-roasted chicken, and just ate the whole thing.

01:53:22.000 And then just the whole experience is a mind...

01:53:26.000 Don't you think you're burning off an insane amount of calories running four miles every four hours?

01:53:34.000 It's not that insane.

01:53:35.000 I would say it's probably the whole thing is probably, I don't know, 10,000 calories.

01:53:39.000 So over two days.

01:53:41.000 It's not too crazy.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, but you're basically running a marathon a day.

01:53:45.000 Yeah.

01:53:46.000 That's crazy.

01:53:47.000 For two days.

01:53:48.000 Yeah, that's crazy, dude.

01:53:49.000 Why are you trying to downplay it?

01:53:52.000 No, it was great.

01:53:53.000 I mean, the whole thing was crazy.

01:53:54.000 What do you think, Jamie?

01:53:55.000 I'm not wrong here, right?

01:53:57.000 It's in the middle.

01:53:57.000 I understand what he's saying, though, also, because you get a little break.

01:54:00.000 Four miles isn't the longest run.

01:54:02.000 That's like a 5K. You can get it done in less than an hour.

01:54:04.000 It's 45 minutes.

01:54:06.000 That's even long if you're going at his pace.

01:54:08.000 Is that what you're doing about 45 minutes?

01:54:09.000 45, yeah.

01:54:10.000 Sometimes I would stop.

01:54:13.000 It's cool.

01:54:14.000 You get pretty far through an audiobook.

01:54:17.000 But the sleep thing was crazy.

01:54:20.000 I think the only reason I did it, which is a good lesson, is I saw Goggins post this on Instagram.

01:54:28.000 And I announced on social media that I'm going to do it, which is the only reason I did it.

01:54:33.000 I mean, it's a good thing to...

01:54:34.000 It's nice.

01:54:35.000 It's nice to just announce that you're going to do it because then you feel like such a...

01:54:39.000 You're accountable.

01:54:40.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 So, I mean, I thought maybe I could just delete the tweet.

01:54:45.000 Just to walk back.

01:54:47.000 That was great about our Sober October challenges.

01:54:49.000 You have to do it, you know?

01:54:51.000 The first one was so easy, the yoga one.

01:54:53.000 It was just 15 hot yogas in a month.

01:54:56.000 It was yoga every other day.

01:54:57.000 Not that big a deal, but it seemed like it.

01:55:00.000 It's hanging over your head.

01:55:02.000 But that's nothing compared to what you did.

01:55:04.000 Well, the nice thing also, David Goggins on his Instagram went live every four hours.

01:55:11.000 So every four hours beforehand, I'm just like sitting here watching this crazy shirtless man like screaming.

01:55:17.000 Stay hard! 0.54

01:55:18.000 Yes.

01:55:20.000 Of course he was making it seem like it's gonna be easy and let me kind of walk it back like the gratitude thing was the filming was hard and but it's actually a really cool experience so before the run I wrote down 12 things I'm really grateful for like family like Family,

01:55:40.000 friends, my childhood.

01:55:41.000 And as I ran, I thought about it, like what I'm going to say.

01:55:46.000 And that thinking, it's weird.

01:55:48.000 It was all for doing like recording myself, right?

01:55:51.000 But the result was like pretty profound for myself as an experience.

01:55:56.000 It's kind of similar with podcasts.

01:55:58.000 Like you and I wouldn't have this conversation without microphones.

01:56:01.000 Right, right.

01:56:01.000 Especially wouldn't have it this long.

01:56:04.000 This long.

01:56:05.000 Sitting across from each other.

01:56:06.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 But recording yourself was like, I really have to now think that I'm thankful for my family.

01:56:13.000 And really put that into mind.

01:56:16.000 That was big.

01:56:17.000 And also just, by the way, if people are thinking about that for you, because I had so many people message me about the challenge.

01:56:25.000 If you're thinking of doing it, please don't. 0.99

01:56:27.000 Do it, bitch. 1.00

01:56:28.000 Don't listen to him. 1.00

01:56:30.000 I think just running 48 miles is a better challenge.

01:56:35.000 Because this was torture.

01:56:36.000 Okay, if people are thinking of doing it, realize that you're not doing a test of...

01:56:43.000 It's not a running test.

01:56:45.000 It's not a marathon test.

01:56:46.000 It's a test of... 1.00

01:56:50.000 It's a mental test of how much you want to do something really stupid. 1.00

01:56:57.000 I guess it's a marathon test, but you have so much more time to think about how stupid the thing you're doing is that makes it a really big mental challenge. 0.99

01:57:08.000 Would you, if you had the option halfway into it to just finish the run, just keep going until it's over? 0.94

01:57:13.000 100%, yeah.

01:57:14.000 Really?

01:57:14.000 I would just do it.

01:57:15.000 Interesting.

01:57:15.000 So you think it might have been more torture to do it with those breaks and the rest and the food and relaxing for a little bit?

01:57:23.000 Yeah.

01:57:24.000 Because it hangs over your head?

01:57:26.000 It hangs over your head.

01:57:27.000 The fact that you have to wake up in three hours...

01:57:32.000 So I never slept in my bed.

01:57:33.000 I just laid face down on the carpeted floor.

01:57:37.000 Did you substitute any of those runs for jiu-jitsu?

01:57:40.000 I substituted one of them for jiu-jitsu, but at the end I ran eight miles because I thought it was...

01:57:46.000 Like a cop-out?

01:57:48.000 Yeah, a cop-out.

01:57:48.000 But I did jiu-jitsu.

01:57:50.000 So jiu-jitsu I did, shout out to Broadway Jiu-Jitsu.

01:57:54.000 They're all closed now.

01:57:55.000 Yeah, jujitsu gym is going to be a while before they open up again, right?

01:57:59.000 Yeah, I hope they don't close.

01:58:02.000 I know, man.

01:58:04.000 It's just so many people are going to be freaked out by germs.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, but it feels weird to talk about.

01:58:10.000 But yeah, I felt really, really good.

01:58:13.000 When did you do this?

01:58:15.000 Pretty close to this whole outbreak.

01:58:17.000 Maybe a month ago, a month and a half ago.

01:58:21.000 Yeah, it was like February then?

01:58:23.000 Yeah, February.

01:58:24.000 End of February-ish?

01:58:25.000 Yeah.

01:58:25.000 And I actually gave a big talk to a large audience in Philadelphia on March 8th or something like that.

01:58:31.000 I was in Vegas for the UFC that weekend.

01:58:35.000 That was the last weekend I traveled.

01:58:37.000 So I guess it was March 7th.

01:58:40.000 That might be the last time.

01:58:41.000 Isn't that weird?

01:58:42.000 What was the last time you did a stand-up?

01:58:46.000 That week.

01:58:48.000 I did some shows at the Improv and then I was supposed to do some shows at the Comedy Store and we were talking about it and they said the room's too big because they were limiting the crowds down to 200 people.

01:59:04.000 That was the first thing they did.

01:59:05.000 So they were going to move the crowd.

01:59:08.000 They were going to move my show to another date and then open up the original room, which is a small room of 150 people.

01:59:17.000 And they were asking me if I wanted to go in there or if I wanted to just cancel and reschedule.

01:59:22.000 We were working all that out.

01:59:23.000 And then they contacted us.

01:59:27.000 They were asking me and a bunch of other comics, like, what do you think we should do here?

01:59:31.000 You know, because there's part of us that thinks we should just shut down.

01:59:36.000 And they shut down before the order was given to shut down.

01:59:40.000 They decided this is...

01:59:42.000 You know the comedy store doesn't want anybody to get sick and they were worried about people losing income But they were also saying like it's probably the right idea to just shut down and then the improv shut down shortly after But they all shut down before they were required to they just shut down because it just seemed like the walls are closing in But did you realize at that time this might be the last time way man because it might be I am I don't want to say anything but it might be a long time before you do stand-up comedy What do you think?

02:00:11.000 Another six months?

02:00:14.000 I think it's...

02:00:15.000 Okay, here's what I think.

02:00:17.000 I think it would be longer than six months for sure.

02:00:19.000 Really?

02:00:20.000 Yeah.

02:00:20.000 Why do you think that?

02:00:21.000 Because gatherings of large groups...

02:00:22.000 I'm hoping there'll be a lot of interesting innovations of what gatherings of large groups will look like.

02:00:29.000 Like I can see you doing stand-up to a small audience that's tuned in, like people remotely tune in at a larger scale.

02:00:37.000 What?

02:00:38.000 Something like that.

02:00:39.000 Online?

02:00:40.000 You can't do it.

02:00:41.000 No, not online only.

02:00:42.000 You can't do online, period.

02:00:45.000 Because people record it.

02:00:47.000 You're working on your new stuff. 1.00

02:00:51.000 People are assholes. 1.00

02:00:53.000 No, they're not. 1.00

02:00:54.000 They're very good, which is one of the reasons why most sets don't get leaked.

02:00:58.000 When they leak the Louis C.K. set, it's almost understandable.

02:01:04.000 His special just went live.

02:01:05.000 Did you see it?

02:01:06.000 I haven't watched all of it.

02:01:08.000 I watched half of it.

02:01:09.000 It's weird to...

02:01:11.000 Sorry to interrupt.

02:01:12.000 No, it's okay.

02:01:12.000 It was weird to watch because it's good.

02:01:14.000 It's intense, like his other specials, right?

02:01:17.000 He talked about pedophilia and everything.

02:01:19.000 But it feels weird to see a crowd and to listen to a comedian in this time not mention coronavirus, right?

02:01:29.000 So it made me realize that I have a hunger, as probably a lot of people, to hear a comedian talk about We want to see stand-up comedy about the virus.

02:01:42.000 I guess a podcast is a kind of replacement.

02:01:45.000 We want some normalcy, right?

02:01:48.000 We're all alone with our thoughts and our paranoia and then news media, which in many cases is accelerating our anxiety because there's value in developing stories and writing stories that get people outraged or clickbait.

02:02:05.000 You know, so there's that.

02:02:07.000 And we need people just talking.

02:02:09.000 Just talking.

02:02:10.000 Just people that are just like you, talking about stuff, various walks of life.

02:02:16.000 That helps us.

02:02:17.000 This is a certain e-community that we're all a part of, you know, and...

02:02:22.000 I feel very connected to that now, you know, because this podcast is it's kind of taken on a different form over the last few years, which is one of the reasons why I actually have to address people talking about politics in me.

02:02:38.000 I'm like you guys are out of your fucking mind if you're listening to me, but I have to accept that that this is part of the new form this thing is taken and And another form this thing has taken is that it's sort of like an electronic campfire in a lot of ways. 0.99

02:02:55.000 There's a great value to people just sitting around shooting the shit. 0.99

02:03:00.000 And I know there's a lot of people at home that can't You're not chiming in. 0.99

02:03:04.000 You wish you would.

02:03:05.000 You probably have some things to say.

02:03:07.000 It's one of the reasons why comments get so aggressive sometimes.

02:03:11.000 Because people are listening, they have something to say, and they can't.

02:03:14.000 You just keep talking. 1.00

02:03:15.000 And they're like, fuck! 1.00

02:03:16.000 And they're like, but maybe you should fucking listen to your guests! 1.00

02:03:19.000 Or maybe you should... 0.97

02:03:20.000 It's really they have a thing in them that they want to express too. 0.97

02:03:26.000 Like you're talking, they have some interesting shit to say too, and a lot of them do. 0.96

02:03:30.000 Yeah. 0.94

02:03:31.000 By the way, on that point, I know you don't check comments, but I'm actually...

02:03:35.000 I kind of enjoy checking, especially yours.

02:03:39.000 I'm a fan of yours.

02:03:42.000 I like being a fan of cool people.

02:03:44.000 And I'll just go on your Instagram and just comment.

02:03:47.000 And there'll be some... 0.99

02:03:48.000 There's always some percentage of people who are so shitty.

02:03:55.000 But most of them, that's where I disagree with you, I think most of them are really cool. 0.91

02:03:59.000 Yes, I think so too.

02:04:00.000 No, I think so too. 0.90

02:04:01.000 But also there's this, I think most people, not most, but there's a big percentage of the population who just enjoy being shitty, but they also enjoy being nice. 0.85

02:04:11.000 Sometimes, yeah, because they're not being shitty for real. 0.98

02:04:14.000 They're just shitposting. 0.59

02:04:15.000 Yeah, so as long as you're able to inspire them to be nice, or at least more, because shitposting done well has a humor behind it, and actually a love and respect behind it that's kind of obvious.

02:04:28.000 Yes!

02:04:29.000 Look, one person has to take the hit. 0.82

02:04:31.000 Whether it's you or me, or whoever it is that they're shitting on, if they're saying something funny, and one person takes the hit, but a thousand people reading those comments go, bah!

02:04:40.000 That's so true! 0.79

02:04:42.000 Hey man, I get it.

02:04:43.000 I'm not trying to stop anybody from commenting.

02:04:45.000 You know, there was a time where the comments were blocked off because the streaming didn't allow comments because we didn't have a chat in the streaming.

02:04:53.000 If you have a chat in the streaming, it devolves into racial slurs and ethnic slurs and anti-Semitic slurs. 0.81

02:05:00.000 It's fucking chaos sometimes because people just want to see if you're reading that while you're talking, they want you to react. 0.99

02:05:06.000 So they'll write some horrible shit just so that you react sometimes. 0.99

02:05:10.000 We can't have that. 1.00

02:05:11.000 I'm not going to read that.

02:05:11.000 So I'm like, just shut off the chat.

02:05:14.000 We'll stream the show live.

02:05:15.000 But then we were uploading it.

02:05:16.000 Comments were shut off because of some sort of a flaw in the way it was processed.

02:05:21.000 So you had to have the chat on for comments to be on or something like that.

02:05:24.000 But they fixed that.

02:05:25.000 But I was...

02:05:26.000 I really wanted people to know.

02:05:28.000 If you want to talk about what we're talking about, I want you to be able to.

02:05:33.000 I can't read it because I don't have the time, and I don't think it's healthy.

02:05:37.000 It's not.

02:05:38.000 It does something bad to your mind, but I feel like that's a technology problem.

02:05:42.000 My dream would be for somebody like you to be able to read comments every once in a while in a way that is healthy.

02:05:48.000 No, I could.

02:05:49.000 I could.

02:05:50.000 That's not the problem.

02:05:51.000 The problem is for me personally.

02:05:53.000 There is so little time to just process life that any time that I spend trying to rationalize or trying to accept or trying to process someone's comments, like, There's not enough time for that.

02:06:08.000 I would love to do...

02:06:10.000 I try very hard to do my best.

02:06:13.000 That's what I try to do with everything.

02:06:15.000 And with this podcast, I try to do my best.

02:06:17.000 And I know sometimes I talk too much, or I talk too much, or I stumble through my words, or I'm overbearing, or this or that.

02:06:26.000 Yeah, it's a balancing act.

02:06:27.000 Sometimes you stumble.

02:06:29.000 It's weird.

02:06:29.000 It's all live.

02:06:31.000 Everything I'm doing is live with no script that millions of people get to see and listen to.

02:06:37.000 How do you get that signal though?

02:06:39.000 One of the things I enjoy before I block them is people who are truly rude.

02:06:46.000 Do you enjoy that?

02:06:47.000 No, I don't enjoy it, but I think it's constructive in the sense that within the rudeness there's often opportunity to improve.

02:06:58.000 Often not.

02:06:59.000 Often they're just like… Oh, so you're saying they're rude but they have a valid point.

02:07:04.000 Because I find that rude people are more likely… Like I'm so fortunate to be part of a community who are really nice to me and just in general nice.

02:07:12.000 I find that they're unable to tell me sort of constructive criticisms in the following… Like if I mumble or if I'm not articulate with my ideas or if I use a certain word too much or if I'm too stuck in a certain kind of perspective, 0.99

02:07:29.000 you need the asshole to come along to call you like a liberal douchebag or something like that. 0.99

02:07:35.000 Yes! 1.00

02:07:36.000 Well, that's what friends are for. 0.99

02:07:38.000 You know, friends are for busting balls.

02:07:40.000 I mean, that's one of the things about comedians that a lot of people had a hard time. 0.68

02:07:44.000 When we started doing podcasts, one of the things that a lot of people had a hard time with was how mean we are to each other.

02:07:50.000 Like me and Brian Callen and Eddie Bravo and Brennan Schaub when we start goofing on each other or other comics that come in here and goof on each other.

02:07:58.000 When we goof on each other, we goof on each other hard.

02:08:00.000 You know, but there's fun in that.

02:08:03.000 Like, we all enjoy it. 0.99

02:08:04.000 Like, comedians to each other, some of the fucking meanest people ever. 0.99

02:08:08.000 Like, when no one's around, we say, some of the fucking group chats I'm in where people shitting on each other, it is hilarious. 0.99

02:08:14.000 It's so mean, but really fucking funny. 0.98

02:08:17.000 And we also do that as an exercise because it calluses you to other people's insults and to that. 0.96

02:08:26.000 Like, there's...

02:08:27.000 It's a thing that men do to each other. 1.00

02:08:29.000 They shit on each other. 1.00

02:08:31.000 First of all, to keep each other in check. 1.00

02:08:32.000 And they expect you to do that to them.

02:08:34.000 But also, to kind of toughen you to people that don't love you. 1.00

02:08:38.000 They're going to talk shit. 0.99

02:08:39.000 You know, you're used to it. 1.00

02:08:41.000 You know, look, if you grow up in a place like, you know, that is filled with people that are always drunk and it's cold out, like Boston. 1.00

02:08:50.000 People talk a lot of shit. 1.00

02:08:52.000 Talk a lot of shit to each other. 1.00

02:08:54.000 That's one of the reasons why so many great comics came out of Boston. 1.00

02:08:57.000 It's because it's fucking cold and people don't have time for your bullshit. 0.99

02:09:01.000 And because of that, because of that lack of attention span or short attention span, you learn how to come out of the gate fast and you learn how to appreciate people's time. 1.00

02:09:12.000 It's a way to show love.

02:09:14.000 Isn't that weird?

02:09:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:09:15.000 But it's funny because people I love most and I'm closest with talk a lot of shit, but you have to earn that right. 0.99

02:09:24.000 Yes. 0.99

02:09:25.000 It's funny. 0.96

02:09:26.000 Some people walk into my life talking, busting my balls, and it's like, well, we're not there yet. 0.97

02:09:32.000 Right, right, right. 0.97

02:09:33.000 It's an interesting kind of...

02:09:35.000 Well, you have to know that they love you.

02:09:37.000 Yeah, that has to be underlying it all.

02:09:40.000 By the way, I do think you guys are too rough on calendars.

02:09:44.000 I'm just a fan who showed up to comment in person.

02:09:47.000 Listen, he loves it.

02:09:48.000 He loves it.

02:09:49.000 He gets such a kick out of it.

02:09:51.000 He brings it on himself. 0.99

02:09:52.000 But by the way, he has the thickest skin of any fucking human I've ever met in my life. 0.97

02:09:58.000 Never, in all my years of knowing that guy, and I've known Cal for 25 years, 25 fucking years, never have I seen him get upset at someone mocking him or insulting him, getting legitimately insulted by it. 0.97

02:10:13.000 I've never seen him.

02:10:14.000 Never.

02:10:15.000 It just goes like this.

02:10:16.000 Bounces off like rhino skin.

02:10:19.000 He literally loses zero enthusiasm.

02:10:23.000 And it's not that he's not an introspective guy.

02:10:25.000 It's not that he's not an objective guy.

02:10:26.000 He has a unique ability to handle insults.

02:10:30.000 And he'll even rebroadcast those. 0.96

02:10:32.000 Like if his friends are shitting on him, he'll be like, can you believe these guys? 0.98

02:10:35.000 Like openly disrespecting my age and my looks. 0.99

02:10:38.000 Yeah.

02:10:41.000 It doesn't bother him.

02:10:43.000 He's got a great perspective.

02:10:44.000 He's a very unique guy, Brian Callan.

02:10:46.000 Very, very unique.

02:10:47.000 I don't know anyone like him.

02:10:49.000 So the silly song I have is written by him, actually.

02:10:52.000 It is? 0.77

02:10:53.000 Yeah.

02:10:54.000 Well, not kind of.

02:10:55.000 I talked to him.

02:10:55.000 I texted him back and forth, but he uses words, whatever.

02:10:59.000 I'll tell you later.

02:10:59.000 Do you want to do the silly song first?

02:11:01.000 No, let me do the serious one first. 0.85

02:11:02.000 All right, here we go.

02:11:02.000 Should we calm ourselves?

02:11:04.000 Should we light some sage?

02:11:05.000 And I also have a question for you.

02:11:07.000 A big one?

02:11:09.000 You want to go to the question first?

02:11:10.000 No, no, no.

02:11:12.000 You leave me in anticipation.

02:11:14.000 No, I gotta ask you something about Trump.

02:11:17.000 Oh, really?

02:11:18.000 Yeah.

02:11:18.000 Demons!

02:11:19.000 Be gone!

02:11:22.000 See, Duncan Trussell was speaking of demons be gone with a mask thing.

02:11:28.000 He wore a mask.

02:11:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:29.000 He was early on in that.

02:11:30.000 Well, he also wore a ghillie suit, so let's not get carried away.

02:11:35.000 So my voice is terrible, so this is more like a poem.

02:11:39.000 Don't get in your own head, man.

02:11:41.000 Let it go.

02:11:54.000 My granddad was a soldier On the front in 41 The bullets took his brothers But his stubborn luck held on The sky was filled with fire Millions lost in flames Hate and love were all there And the world never the same Some days

02:12:24.000 will sink in sadness And the way of them to talk Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love When the New York towers crumble We were all New Yorkers too For a moment all just human Not the same old red or

02:12:54.000 blue And the wicked will go on scheming For the power in the pain But the heart that longs for freedom Is a fire they'll never tame Some days will sink in sadness The weight of them to talk Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love The

02:13:31.000 virus took our comfort that was never ours to own When the enemies inside us were together but alone This life is so damn fragile,

02:13:48.000 a leaf caught by the wind But every breath that's tragic Ignites a hope within Some days will sink in sadness The way of them too tough Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love Lex Friedman,

02:14:16.000 ladies and gentlemen.

02:14:16.000 When's the album coming out?

02:14:18.000 No album ever.

02:14:21.000 What made you decide to want to come in front of millions of people and sing a song?

02:14:25.000 I don't know.

02:14:26.000 You just had a thought in your head?

02:14:27.000 I just had a thought.

02:14:27.000 I'm thinking about my...

02:14:28.000 Mix it up?

02:14:30.000 Mix it up.

02:14:30.000 A challenge like that?

02:14:32.000 Four miles every...

02:14:33.000 Well, it's...

02:14:33.000 Okay, I'll tell you what.

02:14:34.000 Four hours?

02:14:35.000 It's kind of a challenge. 0.82

02:14:36.000 It scares the shit out of me.

02:14:36.000 It's the scariest thing ever.

02:14:38.000 But I also wanted to be a...

02:14:40.000 Because I kept thinking about...

02:14:42.000 Last time I came on, I really wanted to play Hendrix.

02:14:47.000 And I actually had my guitar, and I chickened out.

02:14:51.000 So I thought, okay, because it's actually technically really difficult to play in front of a lot of, you know, because you're not going to let me, like, try a few times, right?

02:15:01.000 Right.

02:15:01.000 I have to do it, like, without any mistakes.

02:15:04.000 And...

02:15:05.000 What happens if you try to play Hendrix?

02:15:08.000 Hendrix on acoustic guitar is really tough to play.

02:15:10.000 It's easier to play voodoo child with distortion because you can mess up.

02:15:17.000 It's also a nice blues scale so you can let it ring.

02:15:20.000 You can just jam out.

02:15:21.000 You can go Gary Clark Jr. mode.

02:15:24.000 But with acoustic, every mess-up has a, like, it's silence after.

02:15:30.000 So acoustic doesn't ring for a long time when you play individual notes.

02:15:33.000 It dies quickly.

02:15:34.000 So you can hear mess-ups really easily.

02:15:37.000 So I knew if I mess up, it's going to just sound bad, and I knew I would freak out and so on.

02:15:42.000 So I just thought to do something where I just strum chords, where I can't screw it up at all.

02:15:50.000 And then...

02:15:52.000 The virus thing just made me think.

02:15:56.000 I was talking to my dad a lot about my grandfather.

02:15:59.000 It made it so real to me because I studied World War II a lot, especially the Holocaust and all that.

02:16:07.000 But the fact that just learning about my grandfather just made it so real to me.

02:16:12.000 It kind of connected everything together.

02:16:14.000 Plus, there's a book I recommend people read by Albert Camus called The Plague.

02:16:20.000 That he wrote right after World War II. I don't know if you know who he is, he's like an existentialist philosopher.

02:16:29.000 Existentialists believe that you have to live, like life is absurd, life is suffering, and there's no meaning to it all.

02:16:39.000 You just have to live the moment and take each moment as it comes and live it to the fullest kind of idea.

02:16:47.000 So he described this town that got overtaken by the plague in the book, The Plague.

02:16:54.000 Kind of similar to Bubonic Plague, basically similar characteristics.

02:17:00.000 And writes about how everybody reacts in different ways.

02:17:03.000 The main character is a doctor who basically sees the absurdity of the suffering around him, that there's no meaning to it all.

02:17:12.000 That's the thing about the virus.

02:17:13.000 Like with the Nazis and with wars, there's an enemy. 0.70

02:17:16.000 You can kind of trace back and understand what was happening.

02:17:19.000 But the virus, it just seems like it comes out of nowhere.

02:17:23.000 And it breaks the spine of the way we think of regular life.

02:17:27.000 Like some people try to cling on to regular life as if nothing is happening.

02:17:30.000 Which, by the way, it's kind of like what a lot of our society is doing right now.

02:17:35.000 We're not yet...

02:17:36.000 We haven't really felt the pain yet.

02:17:39.000 And hopefully won't.

02:17:41.000 But there's this kind of calm before the storm kind of period.

02:17:46.000 And then some people become more religious.

02:17:49.000 They start to search for the bigger meaning of life outside of the material possessions.

02:17:53.000 And then the doctor represents the idea that no matter what, he gives himself fully to his craft of helping other human beings.

02:18:04.000 And overall there's a story that This idea that suffering is just part of life and the only way...

02:18:12.000 There's a natural temptation when there's cruelty and suffering all around you to isolate yourself and to withdraw from life because anything you do in life is going to lead to suffering.

02:18:29.000 Dating, like if you get married, it's going to lead to suffering because eventually you're going to lose the people you love.

02:18:37.000 So there's a natural desire to withdraw.

02:18:40.000 But in fact, what he found, the doctrine, what he saw around him, is that love and compassion, like giving yourself fully to the love of other human beings towards community, is the only way to deal with that kind of suffering.

02:18:55.000 To me, it's a really profound story about About love being the right response in a time of crisis.

02:19:09.000 And a crisis that hits everybody.

02:19:11.000 You want to kind of hide from it, but it's actually where more suffering happens.

02:19:19.000 It's a kind of profound book that I recommend people read.

02:19:25.000 Most people have read him in high school.

02:19:27.000 There's a book called The Stranger.

02:19:30.000 But that one in particular seems so connected to us.

02:19:33.000 Oh, sorry.

02:19:34.000 He wrote it as an allegory for World War II. So the plague in that case is the Nazis. 0.63

02:19:42.000 That it just hits out of nowhere.

02:19:45.000 His book was really popular.

02:19:47.000 I think in 1947 he wrote it as a kind of allegory of World War II, a way to talk about the virus that first infects the rats and then affects the weaker humans and then affects everybody.

02:20:00.000 It was a connection and an allegory and analogy to the Nazis.

02:20:05.000 And so I saw the connection between now and the Nazis. 0.58

02:20:10.000 Of course the scale there with World War II was much more intense. 0.99

02:20:14.000 And finally just how fragile this whole damn thing is. 0.74

02:20:19.000 My grandfather had probably a single digit percentage chance of living. 0.98

02:20:26.000 Most people died.

02:20:28.000 Most soldiers died, especially in those early years of 1941 when the Nazis... 0.63

02:20:34.000 Basically, Stalin was using Russian soldiers and just human beings as human shields.

02:20:42.000 Yeah, just threw bodies at the problem. 0.62

02:20:44.000 So the fact that my grandfather survived seems crazy.

02:20:49.000 And I do all these things. 1.00

02:20:51.000 I'm here talking to you, wearing a stupid tie. 1.00

02:20:56.000 All of that is connected to he somehow survived. 1.00

02:21:00.000 All those ripple effects, me doing research, I hope to impact Billions of people one day.

02:21:09.000 Those little ripple effects, how fortunate I am to be part of that.

02:21:13.000 It just all seemed to be connected to me.

02:21:17.000 You have to go back before him, right?

02:21:19.000 He is here because someone won a fight with a rock.

02:21:25.000 Some time in history, there was probably one of his ancestors that clubbed someone to death with a rock who was breaking into his house.

02:21:36.000 And not that many humans ago, as you put it.

02:21:38.000 Not that many humans ago.

02:21:39.000 Yeah.

02:21:40.000 Not that many.

02:21:41.000 You know, if you go, like, let's think.

02:21:44.000 I mean, they're constantly pushing back the age of the oldest human.

02:21:48.000 They recently pushed it back even further.

02:21:50.000 See what that study said.

02:21:53.000 The age of the oldest human, they bump back another half a million years or so.

02:22:01.000 I think they're talking about Australopithecus and another ancient human all lived together at the same time.

02:22:10.000 There's quite a few, quite a few different styles of human that lived together at that same time.

02:22:15.000 By the way, at that time, sorry to interrupt, but at that time, along with humans lived millions of viruses.

02:22:21.000 Oh yeah, of course, yeah.

02:22:23.000 So they too, not to give any shout outs to viruses, but they too survived because their grandparents have clubbed somebody over the head.

02:22:35.000 Well, Bill Hicks called people a virus with shoes.

02:22:38.000 You know, he was joking around, obviously.

02:22:41.000 There's truth to that.

02:22:43.000 There's something to that in that what is...

02:22:46.000 If you stopped and think if you were a cow or a carrot or tomato plant or avocados or chickens or... 0.99

02:22:56.000 Think of the things we fucking consume.

02:22:59.000 Think of the living things that we pull out of the ground and shove into our bodies and Consume now think of that was something else think of that was you know if there was A population of animals, 0.98

02:23:16.000 like tuna, that just got wiped out by something the way we wipe them out.

02:23:21.000 You go, whoa, like, oh yeah, there's a tuna virus, and it's literally killed 80% of all the tuna in the ocean.

02:23:29.000 We're down to like 20% capacity in tuna. 1.00

02:23:31.000 Fuck, man, what happened? 1.00

02:23:33.000 Yeah, it's called sushi. 1.00

02:23:35.000 It's called people. 0.98

02:23:37.000 This virus with boats literally goes hundreds of miles out into sea with these giant fucking fiber nets that it's created. 0.98

02:23:46.000 And it sucks these things into the nets and pulls them out with giant cranes and dumped them into a refrigerated hull and then brings them back to shore to get cut up and sold. 1.00

02:23:58.000 Like, fuck, man! 1.00

02:23:59.000 But at the same time, it's... 1.00

02:24:01.000 Tuna's delicious.

02:24:03.000 Not that, but also if you zoom out, it's kind of beautiful.

02:24:06.000 The way that life propagates is just beautiful.

02:24:10.000 So I've been reading a lot on viruses, and the way they work is incredible.

02:24:16.000 I would say viruses, there's obviously debate on whether they're living or not.

02:24:21.000 It's just definitional.

02:24:23.000 They're like the simplest example of the beauty and power of the evolutionary process.

02:24:32.000 Because we humans are kind of complicated in terms of killing tuna.

02:24:36.000 There's a lot of things going on in our bodies.

02:24:39.000 Viruses are the simplest possible...

02:24:41.000 I think they're living.

02:24:42.000 I think it's the simplest possible life form that just shows that anything is possible.

02:24:49.000 All the damage that's being caused now with the coronavirus...

02:24:55.000 There's like one guy that mutated and jumped from a certain speed.

02:25:00.000 We can trace the evolutionary path backwards.

02:25:03.000 There was a recent CNN article that was wondering how long it's been around.

02:25:07.000 They were saying, see if you can find this, was COVID-19 around in humans longer than is currently believed?

02:25:15.000 They think it might have existed for months, if not years, before it broke loose and became a pandemic.

02:25:21.000 Oh, did it mutate?

02:25:23.000 I don't know.

02:25:24.000 I didn't read the article.

02:25:25.000 It's a video, not an article.

02:25:27.000 Oh, it's not?

02:25:28.000 Did you say CNN? CNN. Fake news.

02:25:32.000 You heard me, bitch. 1.00

02:25:35.000 Where'd you learn that? 1.00

02:25:36.000 CNN? Library.

02:25:38.000 It's the news, folks.

02:25:40.000 It's the news.

02:25:41.000 Leading scientists tell CNN that it's...

02:25:43.000 Listen, CNN's trying to do their best.

02:25:45.000 But they have perceptions that other people don't agree with, just like everybody else.

02:25:50.000 Leading scientists tell CNN that it's possible the virus didn't just come from bats in the past months, but it may have existed in humans many months, even years before it grew into a deadly pandemic.

02:25:59.000 CNN's Nick Palton Walsh reports.

02:26:03.000 By the way, CNN is not doing a good job.

02:26:05.000 I think the entire...

02:26:08.000 What are they doing bad?

02:26:10.000 The incentive, like, they're choking out the investigative, deep investigative journalism.

02:26:19.000 It's exactly what you said, the clickbait.

02:26:21.000 Like, look at the title.

02:26:23.000 Look at the...

02:26:24.000 I think they're trying to stay alive.

02:26:26.000 Well, yeah, but that's a problem.

02:26:28.000 I think it is a problem, but I think in the defense of particularly online journalism, I think they're trying to stay alive.

02:26:34.000 I don't think it's a good time for journalism now.

02:26:37.000 From what I understand, the only thing that keeps New York Times functional is the podcast.

02:26:42.000 The podcast, yeah.

02:26:43.000 Their podcast is huge, and that podcast earns a lot of money.

02:26:46.000 But that's not...

02:26:48.000 That means they need to innovate.

02:26:50.000 They need to become the podcast. 0.99

02:26:52.000 Well, we need the fucking New York Times, though. 0.95

02:26:54.000 They need to figure out a way to make money off of it, but we need the top of the food chain journalism, right? 0.98

02:27:01.000 And that's what the Times has always represented.

02:27:03.000 We need them.

02:27:04.000 So when someone's done something for the Times, it's not so good or flawed, yeah, okay, but it's still not.

02:27:11.000 That one person, that one article, whatever it is, is not the Times.

02:27:14.000 The Times stands for something, right?

02:27:16.000 What the New York Times is supposed to stand for, what it always did when I was a kid, and does now to a lot of people still, it's the cream of the crop.

02:27:25.000 It's the very best journalism.

02:27:26.000 It's the very best.

02:27:27.000 It's the ones that have the deepest insight, the ones that nail it.

02:27:32.000 And we'd like it free of bias, but it's run by humans.

02:27:37.000 You know, this is the problem with CNN, it's the problem with any news source, but we still need news sources.

02:27:42.000 But it's run by humans that need high salaries and there's a huge amount of people involved in making that system that is a CNN. So there's several mechanisms of innovation required.

02:27:54.000 First, like this podcast here, podcasts in general, require very few people to run.

02:27:59.000 Now that there's an infrastructure to communicate with a lot of people.

02:28:02.000 And then there's the Wikipedia model.

02:28:05.000 Yeah.

02:28:05.000 So, like, Wikipedia is thousands of contributors that create extremely strong factual information.

02:28:13.000 Yeah.

02:28:14.000 And that's not, like, there's very little money required to run Wikipedia.

02:28:19.000 Incredibly so.

02:28:21.000 There are some journalists out there that are online, though, that are thriving because of the problems with legacy media.

02:28:30.000 It's an opportunity.

02:28:31.000 It represents, for God's sake, Tim Pool, my friend Tim Pool.

02:28:34.000 Tim Pool's a fantastic journalist.

02:28:36.000 He's really objective.

02:28:38.000 You might disagree with him or you might not find his perspective.

02:28:44.000 To be in the line with yours, but that guy, he holds those journalistic ethics at the highest level.

02:28:52.000 I mean, to the highest standard with him.

02:28:54.000 It's everything.

02:28:54.000 And when you read his take on or see him make a take on things, he is giving you the most honest, objective take on it possible.

02:29:02.000 And it's really hard to get that from a network.

02:29:05.000 First of all, it's really hard to get what he does for a network because you're going to get these giant chunks Where he can talk about something for as long as it takes to describe what the issue is.

02:29:17.000 Whereas CNN has a segment, man. 0.97

02:29:19.000 That segment is fucking seven minutes long. 1.00

02:29:20.000 You better be dumb by seven minutes. 0.99

02:29:22.000 We're going to commercial, and then we're coming back with Don Lemon, and he's got a sassy take on things. 0.99

02:29:26.000 And then Andrew Cooper's got new glasses. 0.99

02:29:28.000 Look at that, handsome bastard. 1.00

02:29:29.000 And then they're all going to talk about shit, and you've got to listen. 1.00

02:29:32.000 And it's Trump is bad, coronavirus deadly, and holy shit, Chris Cuomo's got it. 1.00

02:29:38.000 Let's go to Chris. 1.00

02:29:38.000 He's in his basement. 1.00

02:29:39.000 And then you see Chris in his basement with Sanjay Gupta, and they're holding up chest x-rays.

02:29:44.000 You know, they...

02:29:45.000 There's segments, man. 1.00

02:29:47.000 Segments are bullshit. 1.00

02:29:49.000 It's dumb. 1.00

02:29:50.000 You have these standards that you've created a long fucking time ago, and this is the biggest handicap that legacy media has other than their inability to be free, like a guy like Tim Pool is. 0.99

02:30:02.000 He's an independent. 0.86

02:30:04.000 They can't be free like he is.

02:30:06.000 You have too many working pieces, too many producers, too many people that are telling you what direction.

02:30:10.000 There's people that bring you the segments.

02:30:12.000 You're a talking head. 1.00

02:30:13.000 There's a lot of shit going on there, man. 1.00

02:30:15.000 A lot of shit going on there. 1.00

02:30:17.000 Well, but you have to innovate, and you have to make more. 0.99

02:30:21.000 I actually disagree with you about Tim Poe.

02:30:22.000 I mean, I think it's impossible to be perfectly objective or whatever.

02:30:26.000 He's just one voice.

02:30:27.000 He tries to be perfectly objective.

02:30:29.000 He tries to be as objective as he can be.

02:30:32.000 No, I know.

02:30:33.000 You need to...

02:30:35.000 Aspire to it and not be polluted by other influences.

02:30:39.000 But I can see people, like I think I'm objective, but I have very different views than Tim Pool on some things and not others.

02:30:47.000 Well, there's subjective objectivity, isn't there?

02:30:50.000 I don't know.

02:30:52.000 Only one of us is just small.

02:30:55.000 It's possible, but people can look at things like you have an idea, a subjective idea of what something means when you're looking at it objectively.

02:31:03.000 So you're looking at a thing objectively.

02:31:05.000 You're being honest about what it says.

02:31:08.000 But you also have preconceived notions of what each individual aspect of that certain thing means and what's good and what's bad.

02:31:15.000 That's where the subjective aspect of objectivity comes in.

02:31:19.000 When you look at certain things that happen, there's certain ways you can look at something and not have a bias, but look at something and you have a preconceived idea of what aspects of it should or should not be tolerated.

02:31:32.000 And maybe sometimes it takes someone else to come along and say, okay, well, why do you hold these beliefs?

02:31:37.000 So, yeah, you're absolutely right, but the problem is that Based on your skill set and your momentum in history, you might look at a very particular aspect objectively and not see the bigger picture.

02:31:51.000 Tim Pool has revealed and has focused on certain aspects of problems in the system.

02:31:57.000 And he continues to focus on them, maybe not seeing the bigger picture.

02:32:01.000 That's impossible for any one person to see the bigger picture, I think.

02:32:06.000 I tend to see, in a lot of things, the beauty of things.

02:32:10.000 And I focus on the positive.

02:32:12.000 You talk about that even with viruses.

02:32:14.000 Even with viruses.

02:32:16.000 But is that not objective?

02:32:21.000 Beauty is not an objective word, but I just mean...

02:32:25.000 Well, it kind of is what we're just saying.

02:32:27.000 There's a subjective aspect to your objective view of a virus.

02:32:31.000 Right.

02:32:32.000 But it's choosing on which parts I focus in on.

02:32:34.000 And also the other thing is choosing the ways you talk about it.

02:32:38.000 So the ways you reveal that objectivity.

02:32:41.000 Right.

02:32:41.000 You can be positive, you can be negative, you can be very cold and fact-based, you can be very flamboyant and very kind of excited, use a lot of visuals, all those kinds of things.

02:32:53.000 And all of that changes the way the message is carried.

02:32:56.000 Yeah.

02:32:56.000 Which is why we should have thousands of tin pools.

02:33:01.000 Well, I think they're going to spring up out of the void that's been created by this distrust in legacy media.

02:33:07.000 Especially now, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but YouTube, there's so many people, like my brother, has now put the camera on themselves and say their opinions.

02:33:20.000 Yeah.

02:33:20.000 You know, say, like, he's doing, like, a bunch of reviews of scientific papers.

02:33:24.000 Like, they're all, like, they started a show.

02:33:26.000 Like, there's so many just, there's thousands of shows springing up.

02:33:31.000 Dude, there's 900,000 podcasts.

02:33:34.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:33:34.000 It's over a million now, I think.

02:33:36.000 It's hit a million.

02:33:37.000 When did it hit a million?

02:33:38.000 Probably last week.

02:33:39.000 I'm sure people are starting podcasts right now.

02:33:41.000 It's a crazy number.

02:33:42.000 Well, especially now, right?

02:33:43.000 While they're on lockdown, people are doing the Lockdown Chronicles.

02:33:46.000 I think it's a symbol of where we're going.

02:33:51.000 Right?

02:33:52.000 You're becoming...

02:33:53.000 Look, when I do this thing, I'm doing this thing four or five days a week, and I'm becoming more connected with people in some weird way that no one ever thought it was ever going to happen before.

02:34:03.000 Where there's people that are listening to my voice right now in their ear while they're running.

02:34:08.000 Right?

02:34:08.000 A lot.

02:34:09.000 Not a small amount.

02:34:10.000 If you could see the actual number of people right now with earbuds in, running, listening to this podcast, you'd be like, whoa!

02:34:17.000 That's kind of crazy.

02:34:18.000 Stay hard if you're running. 1.00

02:34:20.000 Stay hard, motherfucker! 1.00

02:34:22.000 Run faster right now. 1.00

02:34:24.000 This kind of connection is a dip into the next dimension.

02:34:29.000 That's what this is.

02:34:30.000 And it seemed like it wasn't.

02:34:32.000 It seemed like it was just a radio show you were doing on the internet.

02:34:34.000 But then somewhere along the line, it became this weird thing.

02:34:36.000 And that's what it is now.

02:34:37.000 Podcasts are a weird thing, especially one that reaches the numbers of people that this one reaches.

02:34:42.000 And for that to be in my hands is a weird position.

02:34:46.000 And while it's happening, I'm like, oh, look how fucking strange this is.

02:34:51.000 Huh. 0.79

02:34:52.000 I didn't anticipate this.

02:34:54.000 I always anticipated this being some weirdo fringe thing that very few people would connect with, which is why I never tried to censor it at all.

02:35:02.000 I tried to do a vast majority of it completely high out of my mind and hang out with fun people and just talk shit and have a good time and not have a different perspective.

02:35:15.000 Some people have a public voice and a private voice. 0.52

02:35:18.000 I try to have the same voice.

02:35:20.000 Just be me.

02:35:21.000 Just do that.

02:35:23.000 Yeah, that's what I tell people when they say, what's Joe like behind the scenes?

02:35:27.000 That'd be awesome if you were totally different.

02:35:29.000 But I just tell them it's the same guy. 0.99

02:35:32.000 Wouldn't it be a bummer if someone was like a super dick behind the scenes? 0.98

02:35:36.000 Yeah, that'd be a bummer. 1.00

02:35:39.000 You don't have to be a super dick, but you're just a totally different person. 0.98

02:35:42.000 Put it on an act? 0.99

02:35:43.000 Yeah, like you put on that miniskirt.

02:35:47.000 Take off the tattoos.

02:35:48.000 Hug those curves, baby.

02:35:50.000 But the point is, what I think this is, is a step into the way humans are going.

02:35:55.000 And this is just one step that we didn't think was a step.

02:35:58.000 It's a podcast.

02:35:58.000 I thought it was just like a radio show that you do on the internet, but it's not for some reason.

02:36:03.000 It's more involved and more entangled and more intense.

02:36:07.000 And then also, it has an impact, right?

02:36:09.000 I can get guys like Osterholm on to talk about stuff.

02:36:12.000 We can get an understanding of these things.

02:36:13.000 By the way, he was wrong about masks.

02:36:15.000 But he didn't know at that time.

02:36:17.000 Yeah, that was not that long ago.

02:36:19.000 Isn't that interesting that they didn't know about masks and they weren't sure.

02:36:22.000 He was incorrect about a few things, but I'm not going to point him out.

02:36:25.000 It doesn't matter because he was stating the best available knowledge at the time.

02:36:30.000 Well, he was also incorrect about CWD, chronic wasting disease, not being an elk and some other ungulates.

02:36:38.000 He's wrong about that.

02:36:39.000 My friend Doug Duren corrected that to me.

02:36:42.000 He sent a text to me about it that...

02:36:44.000 He listened to a few of the aspects of that podcast and he was like, he's incorrect about several things.

02:36:48.000 He was correct in the dangers of CWD, which is chronic wasting disease, which is a disease that they are absolutely terrified is going to make the jump from animals to people.

02:36:59.000 It's very similar to like a mad cow disease.

02:37:03.000 But it has its own prions. 0.61

02:37:06.000 He also sent me a text explaining that prions are not actually alive.

02:37:10.000 They're not a living thing.

02:37:12.000 It's like a protein or a type of protein.

02:37:14.000 Is that what it is?

02:37:15.000 Prions? 1.00

02:37:17.000 Whatever the fuck it is, you can't kill it. 1.00

02:37:19.000 It's almost impossible to kill. 1.00

02:37:21.000 They can sterilize it for three cycles of medical sterilization techniques and for three cycles of insane temperatures.

02:37:31.000 And there's still trace elements of prions on the medical equipment.

02:37:35.000 It's a crazy thing.

02:37:37.000 If that gets into people, we have a real huge problem.

02:37:40.000 So this is a real dress rehearsal.

02:37:42.000 Have you seen all these people that are recovering from this?

02:37:44.000 There's nobody recovering from chronic wasting disease.

02:37:46.000 No one.

02:37:47.000 Every deer that gets it dies.

02:37:49.000 They all die and they die in a horrible way.

02:37:51.000 Their body rots away.

02:37:52.000 And they're walking around like a skeleton and they're vomiting all this goo and slime that comes out of them that's infected with CWD and then these animals come along and eat those leaves that they were eating and that they threw up on and then they get it too.

02:38:06.000 It's crazy.

02:38:07.000 This stuff even can get apparently into the DNA of some plants.

02:38:14.000 One of the really interesting things that's amazing on a positive note is that it seems like we haven't seen a virus that's both, or any kind of thing that jumps to humans, that's both deadly and spreads easily.

02:38:31.000 So there's viruses that...

02:38:33.000 Like Ebola.

02:38:33.000 Like Ebola, that kills like crazy, but doesn't spread too easily.

02:38:38.000 Right.

02:38:39.000 And there's viruses that spread easily but don't kill.

02:38:42.000 There's no...

02:38:43.000 In terms of biology, there's no good reason why that should be the fact.

02:38:49.000 But isn't that just how the world works in general and systems?

02:38:52.000 I mean, look at humans.

02:38:53.000 We have a spectacular ability to control our environment.

02:38:56.000 We have the ability to use materials from the outside world and construct them into weapons that lets you kill at distance.

02:39:06.000 But...

02:39:07.000 We're made out of jelly donuts. 1.00

02:39:09.000 We're like this soft bag of shit. 1.00

02:39:11.000 Like even a really hard person, a knife goes right through them. 1.00

02:39:15.000 You know, we're really mushy. 1.00

02:39:17.000 Whereas like a water buffalo is dumb as fuck, but goddamn are they tough. 1.00

02:39:21.000 You know, there's a balance to this. 1.00

02:39:23.000 There is, but that's a kind of romantic notion that I don't know if it applies.

02:39:28.000 Like, the biology and the physics of it doesn't make sense.

02:39:31.000 It doesn't, but when would it change?

02:39:34.000 When would it become something that does tip that scale and become something more catastrophic?

02:39:39.000 Well, if you were looking at it objectively outside the system, you would say, well, when one part of the system becomes overbearingly powerful— That's us.

02:39:49.000 That's humans.

02:39:49.000 We're that virus.

02:39:51.000 Well, we are on everything. 0.98

02:39:54.000 We are rats on a sinking ship.

02:39:55.000 We're on every little patch of land. 0.99

02:39:57.000 You find spots in Antarctica, you find people taking shits, digging holes in the ground to bury it.

02:40:02.000 And hopefully soon on Mars and the rest of the solar system. 0.85

02:40:06.000 If you want to do that, yeah. 0.82

02:40:08.000 The numbers that we have right now are fucking incredible. 0.70

02:40:13.000 We've propagated the whole globe. 0.97

02:40:16.000 Well, ants are still...

02:40:18.000 Biomass-wise, yeah.

02:40:20.000 Far ahead of us. 1.00

02:40:21.000 Yeah, but they don't do shit. 0.99

02:40:22.000 And viruses are really ahead of us. 0.98

02:40:24.000 Like, most viruses are running the show.

02:40:26.000 We're just, like, a little fun...

02:40:28.000 Right, but in terms of the impact on the planet, I don't think you can make...

02:40:33.000 Like, ants might have the same...

02:40:35.000 They have the same biomass as us, right?

02:40:38.000 In terms of total volume, yeah.

02:40:40.000 So the weight of ants is the same as the weight of all the people.

02:40:44.000 That's how many ants there are, which is pretty crazy if we stop and think about it.

02:40:47.000 But they don't have the same impact in terms of their impact on other creatures, like the tuna that we're pulling out of the sea, their impact on the pollution.

02:40:58.000 But viruses, on the other hand.

02:41:00.000 Viruses, they can ruin a whole species.

02:41:02.000 Yeah.

02:41:03.000 A whole, even, you know, certain, like, microorganisms.

02:41:06.000 They can just kill everything.

02:41:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:41:08.000 And...

02:41:09.000 Well, plagues.

02:41:10.000 What is the most devastating historical plague? 0.94

02:41:14.000 Black death. 1.00

02:41:15.000 And how many? 0.99

02:41:15.000 The body plague. 0.99

02:41:16.000 How many did that kill?

02:41:17.000 200 million.

02:41:18.000 200 million.

02:41:19.000 Mostly in Europe.

02:41:24.000 Wow.

02:41:25.000 That number's crazy.

02:41:27.000 Well, Spanish flu is 50 million.

02:41:30.000 200 million makes you just step and go, whoa.

02:41:33.000 No social media though, so we don't...

02:41:35.000 I mean, it's death that's forgotten.

02:41:38.000 Well, not only that, death that was probably left to rot out in the streets and horrendous smells and people didn't understand viruses and diseases back then.

02:41:48.000 Smallpox, I would say, like when I talk to a virologist, they say smallpox is the scariest of them all until we develop the vaccine.

02:41:56.000 But smallpox, you Native Americans, I mean, they decimated, smallpox decimated. 1.00

02:42:04.000 Probably, I don't know what the number is, but more than 50 million.

02:42:08.000 Yeah, the number is supposed to be stunning.

02:42:11.000 In some places, as many as 90% were killed by European diseases, smallpox and the like.

02:42:18.000 90%.

02:42:18.000 I mean, imagine something that just comes to America and wipes out 90% of us, and then you understand what it must have been like for the Native Americans when they encounter the European diseases that the Europeans had already developed antibodies for.

02:42:31.000 Just everyone around you is dying.

02:42:33.000 Imagine that, 90%.

02:42:35.000 You know, I mean, we're looking at something that's, right, what is the global death rate?

02:42:40.000 I mean, it's kind of thrown off because of Italy, because Italy has a very high death rate in terms of people that get infected.

02:42:47.000 Well, we often confuse death rate.

02:42:51.000 So if you look at the deaths divided by the population, that number is...

02:42:55.000 I want to be careful saying small, ever.

02:42:58.000 But it's a very small percentage.

02:42:59.000 No, I understand.

02:43:00.000 What I'm saying, though, is overall the number of people, the percentage of people that have died from this and then compare that to the impact that smallpox had on Native Americans.

02:43:12.000 You'd be like, whoa.

02:43:13.000 Yeah.

02:43:14.000 The difference between 90% of the population gets killed and the high in Italy is, what is the percentage of death?

02:43:25.000 I think it's 10% of people who get it are dying.

02:43:30.000 Right?

02:43:31.000 No.

02:43:32.000 It's definitely way lower than that.

02:43:34.000 In Italy?

02:43:35.000 I thought it was 10%.

02:43:36.000 I mean, it's possible.

02:43:39.000 I haven't been too close to following.

02:43:41.000 I think Italy is an outlier and it's really high.

02:43:43.000 Usually the way they get that number is dividing by the number of cases.

02:43:46.000 Okay, Italy.

02:43:47.000 No, it's right there, man.

02:43:50.000 Coronavirus cases, 135,000.

02:43:52.000 Deaths, 17,000.

02:43:55.000 The problem is those cases were the reported cases.

02:43:58.000 So you don't know.

02:44:00.000 Right.

02:44:02.000 Right, you're saying there's a lot of people that just weren't tested.

02:44:04.000 That weren't tested.

02:44:05.000 Right, but isn't that kind of like the Nielsen's?

02:44:08.000 You kind of look at it, you have to divide by and then...

02:44:12.000 No, no, no, because I don't know how the Nielsen's works, but this is not randomly sampled.

02:44:18.000 So if they randomly sample the population and then look at the deaths per, that would be more statistically accurate.

02:44:24.000 This is just people who have reported.

02:44:27.000 But don't you think that a bunch of people could have died from the coronavirus and they didn't attribute it to them?

02:44:32.000 Yes.

02:44:33.000 So it could be higher than that.

02:44:34.000 It could be higher.

02:44:35.000 Okay, that's what I'm thinking too.

02:44:37.000 That's what they're saying in America as well, by the way.

02:44:40.000 Yeah.

02:44:40.000 They're saying there's a bunch of people that die and they don't know what to do and they don't have the tests.

02:44:45.000 Currently, given the tests, it's much more likely that...

02:44:49.000 The number is lower, meaning that it's just we're not testing nearly enough.

02:44:56.000 So if we randomly...

02:44:57.000 So Iceland did this random...

02:44:59.000 The test is lower, I'm sorry, for deaths or for infections?

02:45:02.000 For deaths, so...

02:45:04.000 For infections as well, though, right?

02:45:06.000 Yeah, for infections, yeah.

02:45:07.000 Oh, sorry, yeah, for infections.

02:45:08.000 But you need the infection number to calculate the percentage of the deaths correctly.

02:45:13.000 So you have to test, I don't know what the percentage is, but it's a very large percentage of population, probably 20-30% of the population.

02:45:21.000 You have to sample randomly, not people who are showing symptoms, not people who are, like, no, just sample randomly to get that number accurately.

02:45:31.000 There's something about every apocalyptic movie.

02:45:34.000 There's something that happens where you realize that these people have accepted a new normal.

02:45:38.000 You know?

02:45:39.000 Yeah.

02:45:40.000 Whether it's Mad Max or A Quiet Place.

02:45:44.000 You ever see that scary movie?

02:45:46.000 Is that what it's called, Jamie? 0.99

02:45:47.000 A Quiet Place is a movie about aliens that come here and you gotta be real quiet around them to fuck you up. 0.97

02:45:54.000 So what do you think is the new normal here? 0.98

02:45:56.000 Well, how about social distancing?

02:45:59.000 I've been watching a lot of movies because we have movie night at home every night.

02:46:02.000 And, you know...

02:46:04.000 Watching movies where people are hugging and shaking hands.

02:46:07.000 It feels weird.

02:46:08.000 It's weird.

02:46:08.000 Like that.

02:46:09.000 That's the new normal.

02:46:10.000 Like if that was in a movie or a dystopian version of the future on a Hulu show, like the Handmaid's Tale.

02:46:18.000 Is that it?

02:46:19.000 Handmaid's Tale?

02:46:20.000 Handmaid's Tale.

02:46:21.000 I had to quit that one.

02:46:22.000 I was like, this is too...

02:46:23.000 I'm not going to get anything good out of this.

02:46:25.000 This is going to bum me out.

02:46:27.000 Too much touching you mean?

02:46:28.000 No, no.

02:46:29.000 It's just too...

02:46:29.000 The dystopian version of the future is too depressing.

02:46:33.000 It was too awful.

02:46:35.000 Great show, but I'm like...

02:46:36.000 You don't think we'll come back to hugging and...

02:46:39.000 I don't know, man.

02:46:39.000 I don't know, but I'm saying if there was a movie or a television show where people behaved with social distancing and everyone was afraid of everyone's viruses, like the reality that we're experiencing right now.

02:46:50.000 If there was a television show like that, you'd be like, what? 0.96

02:46:52.000 What kind of weird fucking show is this? 0.98

02:46:54.000 You would think it's so strange that there's a virus that makes New York City quiet. 0.99

02:46:59.000 Like, drive down New York City, you see a car.

02:47:02.000 There's a second car.

02:47:03.000 Yeah.

02:47:03.000 There's a third car.

02:47:04.000 It's deserted.

02:47:05.000 It's surreal.

02:47:05.000 My friend John Joseph sent me some videos of him riding his bike around New York.

02:47:11.000 And he's like, look how fucking crazy this is.

02:47:13.000 There's no one out here. 0.96

02:47:14.000 There's no one out here.

02:47:15.000 And he's, you know, turning his phone and showing all these empty streets.

02:47:18.000 It's weird.

02:47:19.000 It's weird to see.

02:47:20.000 Real weird.

02:47:21.000 Yeah, like airports, all that.

02:47:24.000 So you flew here by yourself on a plane?

02:47:26.000 By myself.

02:47:27.000 There was no one else on the plane with you?

02:47:28.000 Yeah, on the plane.

02:47:29.000 But they still fly?

02:47:30.000 Yeah, and nobody behaved like that.

02:47:33.000 Nobody treated me special.

02:47:35.000 Wow.

02:47:36.000 What was surreal is that the airport's empty, but they're fully staffed because you still want to give...

02:47:43.000 I think part of the stimulus package is giving money to the airlines, so you want to make sure people stay employed.

02:47:50.000 Yeah.

02:47:50.000 Make sure the planes are still running.

02:47:52.000 That's so crazy that they're flying with one guy.

02:47:54.000 You had a private flight.

02:47:56.000 Private flight.

02:47:57.000 Across the country.

02:47:57.000 Did you lay back and take up all the seats and switch seats in the middle of the flight?

02:48:02.000 No, I just try not to get freaked out.

02:48:06.000 I watched, what is it, Tiger King?

02:48:09.000 Yes!

02:48:10.000 Do you get any booze?

02:48:11.000 Are they serving booze on the plane?

02:48:14.000 No, no liquids, nothing.

02:48:16.000 They don't serve anything.

02:48:18.000 No.

02:48:18.000 Because they don't want to touch you, right?

02:48:20.000 Yeah, I don't think they've interacted with me at all.

02:48:23.000 No interaction with you?

02:48:24.000 No.

02:48:25.000 You, the one guy on the plane, they don't even ask, how you doing?

02:48:28.000 You alright?

02:48:28.000 No, they were all wearing masks.

02:48:30.000 I was wearing a mask.

02:48:31.000 We're all...

02:48:32.000 But they're friendly.

02:48:33.000 I would say the least friendly.

02:48:35.000 And that was weird going to the airport. 1.00

02:48:38.000 Everybody's working and it's just me and my stupid mask. 0.99

02:48:42.000 It was definitely surreal. 1.00

02:48:46.000 But it seemed okay.

02:48:49.000 The thing that I don't like is how people behave at grocery stores.

02:48:52.000 The thing you've said, actually, is they don't want to get close to you.

02:48:58.000 It's strange.

02:48:59.000 It's so strange.

02:49:00.000 They're almost like afraid of this, and that really worries me because it has a potential of just separating us, damaging the sense of community. 0.97

02:49:10.000 There's long-term ramifications if we keep this and not hugging each other shit up. 0.89

02:49:15.000 And we have to all be aware of that fact. 0.98

02:49:17.000 This has to be temporary.

02:49:20.000 Well, once they come up with a...

02:49:22.000 A remedy, a cure.

02:49:24.000 If you just know that all you have to do is go to the doctor and the doctor is going to give you a thing and you're going to be fine.

02:49:27.000 Oh, phew.

02:49:28.000 Like staph infections.

02:49:30.000 Have you gotten staph from GGSV yet?

02:49:32.000 No. 1.00

02:49:32.000 Well, it can fucking kill you. 1.00

02:49:34.000 You have to take care of it. 1.00

02:49:35.000 Staph can kill you.

02:49:37.000 And there's a lot of people that don't even know what it is.

02:49:40.000 And you get infected and then it gets systemic. 0.71

02:49:42.000 Gets in your blood and you know there's a lot of people that just don't know any better and they're not good at going to the doctor and they Develop some sort of infection by the time they go somewhere and take care of it It's really bad and they're in trouble like they could die, but thank God they have fucking medicine for that at least they can give you a fighting chance So people aren't afraid of jujitsu.

02:50:06.000 You still do jujitsu even though people get staph.

02:50:08.000 You know, I know a bunch of people that have gotten staph from training.

02:50:12.000 A lot.

02:50:12.000 They could all be dead if it wasn't for remedies, right?

02:50:16.000 If it wasn't for antibiotics, if it wasn't for, you know, taking the proper care and treating it.

02:50:23.000 Apparently some people have treated staph organically.

02:50:27.000 And Rhonda Patrick was actually talking about, I think she had MRSA. At one point and as part of the treatment along with antibiotics, she introduced garlic into the actual wound itself and apparently that had a pretty profound effect.

02:50:41.000 Oh man, I'd love to see the studies on that.

02:50:43.000 I wish I remember what she said about that.

02:50:46.000 She usually comes with studies. 0.99

02:50:47.000 Oh, she's got a fuckload. 1.00

02:50:49.000 She's got studies about everything. 0.95

02:50:50.000 She's one of the smartest people I've ever talked to.

02:50:52.000 Actually, I haven't followed what she's saying now on the virus.

02:50:56.000 I'd be curious to see.

02:50:57.000 She's talking about different nutrients that support your immune system, particularly vitamin D. She takes a lot of vitamin D. But she's just talked about all the various forms, whether it's through sauna or cold plunges.

02:51:10.000 She's the one who turned me on to that, all that stuff, heat shock proteins, cold shock proteins, and the impact of it.

02:51:17.000 And there's some videos that you could find online of her talking about it.

02:51:20.000 She's also written some articles about it, and she's just a huge fan of that hormetic response and how important that is to your system, keeps your system healthy.

02:51:32.000 Dude, I've been doing it seven days a week, which I wasn't doing before.

02:51:35.000 Sorry?

02:51:36.000 Yeah, seven days a week I do it now.

02:51:38.000 And you just do salt, you jump in, do you do the cold?

02:51:41.000 No, I haven't been doing cold.

02:51:42.000 I want to get a cold plunge thing here.

02:51:44.000 I think I'm going to get something and replace one of my, not in this room, bathroom out there.

02:51:50.000 What's a cold plunge?

02:51:51.000 You mean like a tub full of ice water?

02:51:54.000 Yeah, like one of them big steel tubs and you throw bags of ice in there. 0.99

02:51:57.000 And I'm going to get an ice machine and just turn that room into a freeze your dick off room. 1.00

02:52:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:52:02.000 That's my next move. 0.99

02:52:04.000 I've done it a few times.

02:52:05.000 It's awesome.

02:52:07.000 It's tough.

02:52:08.000 Really good for you, right?

02:52:08.000 It's good for you, yeah.

02:52:10.000 Well, I think making your body deal with those responses makes it stronger.

02:52:15.000 I'll tell you what, man.

02:52:16.000 I've been working out a lot because of this lockdown.

02:52:19.000 I've been doing a lot of Muay Thai, too. 0.99

02:52:23.000 A lot of hitting, punching, and kicking shit. 0.99

02:52:27.000 That always makes me really sore makes my joint sore and That fucking sauna every day is kind of knocked all that out. 0.99

02:52:35.000 I feel great You know and I've been throwing a lot of power kicks and punches and all this shit and everything feels good Everything feels real good. 0.98

02:52:44.000 I just think there's a giant Benefit to doing that on a regular basis. 0.96

02:52:51.000 You can buy one and put it in your backyard.

02:52:53.000 If you have that kind of scratch, I say do it.

02:52:56.000 I'm telling you.

02:52:57.000 What's the temperature of the water?

02:53:00.000 Well, sauna is dry.

02:53:02.000 Oh, is it a dry sauna?

02:53:03.000 Oh, you mean like a dry sauna?

02:53:05.000 Yeah, not a jacuzzi, bro.

02:53:07.000 Those are probably good for you, too.

02:53:08.000 I thought it was like a wet one.

02:53:10.000 No.

02:53:11.000 Like a steam room?

02:53:13.000 Yeah.

02:53:13.000 The problem with that is you can't get as hot because you'll cook.

02:53:17.000 You know?

02:53:18.000 Okay.

02:53:19.000 Like, if you have 190 degree air, you're okay.

02:53:22.000 If you get in 190 degree water, you're going to die.

02:53:26.000 Oh, with the steam room, you're essentially...

02:53:28.000 I mean, you're in a liquid...

02:53:30.000 Exactly. 0.58

02:53:31.000 You're gonna die. 1.00

02:53:32.000 You're gonna get cooked. 0.99

02:53:33.000 Dry heat.

02:53:36.000 Dry heat you can tolerate.

02:53:38.000 I mean I throw a little water on it.

02:53:40.000 There's actually a little scale in the sauna.

02:53:43.000 It's like the top of it is the degrees and the bottom of it is the humidity and you're supposed to calculate those and find out exactly how hot it feels.

02:53:51.000 But either way, you throw a little bit of water. 0.97

02:53:54.000 I throw three little spoonfuls of water on that bit and just sit there and fucking suffer. 0.97

02:53:59.000 And when you get out of there, everything just feels looser and more relaxed. 0.98

02:54:03.000 As soon as your body comes back to a normal temperature, you just feel so much better.

02:54:08.000 It's so valuable, man.

02:54:09.000 Well, exercise right now, I highly recommend.

02:54:12.000 What are you doing?

02:54:13.000 Because you can't go to jiu-jitsu and you were doing a lot of that, so what are you doing for your exercise?

02:54:17.000 So body weight.

02:54:19.000 I do have a cowbell, but I kind of avoid it because it's like hell.

02:54:25.000 It's too intense for me.

02:54:27.000 How much does it weigh?

02:54:30.000 30. 30 pounds?

02:54:32.000 Yeah, so it's hell.

02:54:35.000 I'm trying to remember if it's kilograms or pounds.

02:54:38.000 It's probably 35 pounds. 0.99

02:54:40.000 If it's 30 kilograms, that's heavy as fuck. 0.97

02:54:43.000 Yeah, no, it's not 30, never mind. 0.99

02:54:44.000 30 kilograms is what, 65 pounds?

02:54:46.000 Yeah.

02:54:46.000 Is that what that is?

02:54:47.000 It's something that kills me if I do like swings and basic stuff for 30 minutes.

02:54:52.000 Okay, like probably 35 pounds, yeah.

02:54:54.000 Keith Webber, have you ever done his series?

02:54:58.000 He's been on the podcast before.

02:55:00.000 It's this extreme kettlebell cardio workout that we sell it on it, but I found out about it.

02:55:06.000 We sell it because I found out about it.

02:55:08.000 I found out about it, I believe, through...

02:55:11.000 I think I just found it on the internet.

02:55:13.000 I got a DVD. And it's brutal, man.

02:55:16.000 And I was like, one little 35-pound kettlebell? 1.00

02:55:19.000 I'm like, bitch-ass little weight. 1.00

02:55:20.000 What the fuck's that going to do? 1.00

02:55:22.000 Dude, four minutes in, I'm like, how long is this? 0.99

02:55:24.000 40 minutes? 0.99

02:55:25.000 There's no fucking way! 0.99

02:55:27.000 And the sorest that I had been in a long time was just one 35-pound kettlebell doing this extreme kettlebell cardio routine put together. 0.99

02:55:39.000 He's got two of them.

02:55:40.000 I think he might have three.

02:55:42.000 He definitely has two of them. 1.00

02:55:43.000 They're fucking brutal. 0.99

02:55:45.000 But it's mostly swing bait? 1.00

02:55:45.000 Like you're mostly on your feet? 1.00

02:55:46.000 Oh, no, bro. 1.00

02:55:47.000 You're doing everything, bitch. 1.00

02:55:49.000 You're doing windmills. 1.00

02:55:51.000 You're doing hot potatoes.

02:55:53.000 You're doing renegade rows.

02:55:55.000 You're doing everything, man.

02:55:57.000 You're doing cleans, overhead presses, and squats.

02:56:01.000 And it's just a nonstop...

02:56:04.000 And he gives you these little breaks that last like 10 or 15 seconds.

02:56:07.000 And then, boom, you're moving to the next exercise.

02:56:09.000 And you're like... 1.00

02:56:10.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:56:11.000 And you realize how much work you can get in with just a kettlebell. 1.00

02:56:16.000 Just a little bit, yeah.

02:56:17.000 Yeah, like people are like, I got no room for a gym.

02:56:19.000 If you can afford a kettlebell, please, just buy a kettlebell.

02:56:23.000 You don't have to buy an Onnit kettlebell.

02:56:25.000 Onnit?

02:56:25.000 They're probably out of stock.

02:56:26.000 We're out of stock at Onnit.

02:56:28.000 I mean, people realize, because gyms are all closed, so you don't know what to do, so... 0.99

02:56:33.000 You know who else makes great shit? 1.00

02:56:34.000 Rogue. 1.00

02:56:34.000 Maybe Rogue has them. 1.00

02:56:36.000 They make awesome kettlebells.

02:56:37.000 They make awesome everything.

02:56:38.000 Here it is.

02:56:39.000 This is Keith Weber.

02:56:39.000 My man.

02:56:40.000 So this fucking workout goes on and he's shredded. 1.00

02:56:45.000 Look at my boy Keith. 1.00

02:56:46.000 Look at him. 1.00

02:56:47.000 Showing you how to get your fuck muscles going. 0.99

02:56:49.000 But this is him explaining the correct way to do kettlebell swings. 0.99

02:56:55.000 But I... I mean, you can get a lot of his workouts online.

02:56:59.000 There's a lot of workouts online from people.

02:57:02.000 If you've got a YouTube account or a computer that gets online, go to YouTube and find these kettlebell workouts that people put online for free because they put a great workout up there for free just so that you subscribe to their page.

02:57:16.000 They'll give you some value and what you're giving them is a large audience. 0.87

02:57:21.000 There's some fucking great workouts. 0.93

02:57:24.000 Bodyweight workouts as well that are free. 0.98

02:57:26.000 Free videos online.

02:57:27.000 Follow along and you can do everything from your living room and you can get blasted.

02:57:33.000 I mean, you can have a crazy workout from a lot of videos.

02:57:36.000 There's so many of them.

02:57:38.000 I do more chill kind of working out so I run for longer distances.

02:57:43.000 So what I recommend if you're not as intense is like I run about six to eight miles every day and push-ups and bodyweight squats.

02:57:57.000 I love bodyweight squats.

02:57:59.000 Bodyweight squats are always surprising to me how much they can kill you.

02:58:05.000 Everyone who thinks they're badass even can squat a lot.

02:58:10.000 Even if you can squat, I don't know, 400, 500, 600 pounds, try to do 50 bodyweight squats.

02:58:19.000 Something happens.

02:58:20.000 What's the most you've ever done in a row?

02:58:25.000 I know I usually start suffering at 20, and maybe I've done 40 before.

02:58:31.000 I don't know.

02:58:35.000 Why?

02:58:36.000 You can get up to really high numbers and it's a glorious form of torture and it's crazy how much it develops your legs.

02:58:45.000 Particularly the quads like right above the knee.

02:58:48.000 You know these little muscles that are on the side? 0.99

02:58:51.000 Like that hurts from Hindu squats more than fucking anything I've done. 1.00

02:58:55.000 Ever. 0.98

02:58:55.000 It targets those so uniquely because when you're at the bottom, when your heel is up and you're on the ball of your foot and you rise up, it's like all that muscle for the whole beginning of the rise. 0.98

02:59:07.000 It's all that part of the quad right by the knee.

02:59:11.000 It's a really unique way to target that muscle.

02:59:13.000 And guys who do it a lot, like a lot of those dudes are really into catch wrestling.

02:59:17.000 They would do like 500 a day, every day.

02:59:19.000 They all have these like preposterous legs. 0.80

02:59:22.000 And that was, like, a big part of the development of their strength, was just doing ridiculous numbers of Hindu squats. 0.98

02:59:28.000 And you can also do, like, I usually, I used to do them a lot, like, especially when I competed in the jiu-jitsu and wrestling, I would do a lot of them, and I would also, like, jump.

02:59:38.000 So, like, you explode into the squats, as opposed to sort of slow.

02:59:43.000 But that, you know...

02:59:44.000 Do you ever hear Carl Gotch?

02:59:46.000 Yeah, the catch wrestling guy.

02:59:47.000 Yeah, Carl Gotch was famous for his bodyweight conditioning programs.

02:59:52.000 He was just a stickler for having his wrestlers be in insane physical condition.

02:59:59.000 It was a prerequisite for training with him.

03:00:02.000 That's awesome.

03:00:02.000 Yeah, no, he had a preposterous workout.

03:00:05.000 I think he was really into clubs too.

03:00:07.000 I think he was really into those club bells and a bunch of those other kinds of workouts too.

03:00:14.000 I actually competed in a couple of catch wrestling tournaments.

03:00:17.000 Did you really?

03:00:18.000 It was cool.

03:00:18.000 What are the rules?

03:00:19.000 You can get pinned, right?

03:00:20.000 Yeah, you can get pinned. 0.99

03:00:21.000 It felt so weird because I won a couple matches by pin, and it felt like this is so stupid. 0.68

03:00:31.000 I didn't even submit the guy. 0.81

03:00:33.000 It felt...

03:00:34.000 Oh, and I did a lot of interesting things.

03:00:37.000 So I pulled butterfly guard a few times, meaning you can get pinned, but you don't get points for an almost pin.

03:00:47.000 Okay.

03:00:48.000 So you can play guard as long as you don't get your back.

03:00:51.000 You have to elevate.

03:00:52.000 You have to elevate regularly.

03:00:56.000 I don't think you can get pinned if you didn't get past the legs.

03:00:59.000 Oh, okay.

03:01:00.000 So as long as you're in the butterfly guard, even if you're flat on your back, if you have him in your butterfly guard, he's not pinning you.

03:01:06.000 Yeah.

03:01:07.000 Of course, it was confusing the refs and stuff.

03:01:09.000 Oh.

03:01:11.000 It was cool because the guys that did it, it felt more like UFC back in the Tank Abbott days.

03:01:19.000 It was more ghetto. 0.86

03:01:21.000 It was people wearing wrestling shoes and you could kind of see them.

03:01:25.000 They just got off their like...

03:01:28.000 Wrestling shoes?

03:01:30.000 Yeah.

03:01:30.000 Can you heel hook them?

03:01:32.000 Yeah, I think so.

03:01:34.000 Wow.

03:01:34.000 I think, yeah, everything's legal.

03:01:36.000 That is a weird choice to wear wrestling shoes if someone can heel hook you.

03:01:41.000 Unless you're like a heel hook Dean Lister master.

03:01:44.000 One of those Gary Tonin type dudes that knows how to do it from every angle.

03:01:47.000 Like for them, actually, I would say like a...

03:01:51.000 Pride was still around.

03:01:52.000 Pride let you wear wrestling shoes.

03:01:54.000 There is a significant advantage from being able to wear wrestling shoes.

03:01:59.000 Significant.

03:01:59.000 Not just for your wrestling, but also for your striking.

03:02:02.000 And Crow Cop wore wrestling shoes for a little bit. 0.99

03:02:05.000 Crow Cop head kicked someone with wrestling shoes on.

03:02:08.000 I don't remember who it was.

03:02:11.000 Might have been Mark Hunt. 1.00

03:02:13.000 And I remember thinking, fuck man, he could kick people with shoes on? 1.00

03:02:18.000 That almost seems nuts. 1.00

03:02:20.000 Because the amount of traction that you can get from a rubber sole with texture on the bottom of it versus just your foot, your slippery-ass, bullshit foot that's slipping around on the canvas. 0.98

03:02:32.000 With your wrestling shoes on, you get traction when it's wet. 0.98

03:02:36.000 You get traction everywhere.

03:02:38.000 Even if there's a puddle on the floor, you get traction with a wrestling shoe where you wouldn't get it with a bare foot.

03:02:44.000 But at the same time, it's kind of weird that we're bare feet.

03:02:48.000 It is kind of weird, but it's not.

03:02:49.000 I think you should be bare...

03:02:50.000 Well... 0.98

03:02:51.000 You should be naked. 0.97

03:02:53.000 I used to think, yes, you should have a hard-on, or you can't fight. 0.99

03:02:56.000 I used to think that you should have to have no gloves, but then I've been watching this bare-knuckle boxing, and people's faces get fucked up so bad. 0.97

03:03:06.000 You see Chris Lieben? 0.97

03:03:07.000 He fought Dakota Cochran, and his face looked like someone hit him with a machete.

03:03:13.000 It was crazy.

03:03:14.000 The most enormous scar I've ever seen on a man's face in a fight.

03:03:18.000 So now I'm starting to rethink that.

03:03:20.000 Like maybe those knuckles are just...

03:03:21.000 Yeah, something about blood.

03:03:23.000 No, it's not that.

03:03:23.000 It's about damage to your tissue.

03:03:25.000 I'm not worried about the blood.

03:03:26.000 I'm worried about scarring people up for life.

03:03:29.000 What about Joanna?

03:03:32.000 Her injury.

03:03:33.000 Crazy, right?

03:03:34.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

03:03:35.000 I didn't check in.

03:03:37.000 Is she okay?

03:03:38.000 No.

03:03:38.000 Yep, she's fine now.

03:03:40.000 Her swelling has all gone down, but she had black eyes for a couple weeks.

03:03:44.000 All that fluid she had on her forehead.

03:03:47.000 She's so tough, man.

03:03:48.000 She's so tough. 0.80

03:03:49.000 She's such a savage. 1.00

03:03:51.000 That was a great fight.

03:03:52.000 She's so admirable.

03:03:53.000 Like, watching the way she fought that fight, both of them are.

03:03:56.000 But it was such a back-and-forth brawl of a fight.

03:04:00.000 It was so perfectly matched.

03:04:02.000 There was a draw or...

03:04:03.000 I mean, you can make the argument Ioana won.

03:04:06.000 You can make the argument Whaley won.

03:04:07.000 You can make the argument it was a draw.

03:04:09.000 You can make any of those arguments because that's how close the fight was.

03:04:12.000 It's all like what you think about this.

03:04:15.000 There's a lot of people that thought Ioana won it.

03:04:17.000 But the most important thing is...

03:04:19.000 Juana fought like a champion. 1.00

03:04:22.000 I mean, they both fought like champions.

03:04:25.000 Whaley fought like a champion.

03:04:26.000 It was about as good of a fight as you're ever going to get.

03:04:28.000 So evenly matched.

03:04:30.000 So perfect.

03:04:31.000 So much heart and conditioning and skill.

03:04:35.000 They had everything.

03:04:36.000 Everything.

03:04:37.000 Spectacular fight.

03:04:38.000 I actually forgot the other fight on the card.

03:04:40.000 That's how good that fight was.

03:04:41.000 The other fight was Stylebender versus Yo Romero.

03:04:44.000 That's right.

03:04:44.000 It was forgetful.

03:04:45.000 It was a fight that was forgettable.

03:04:47.000 It seemed like huge, huge beforehand.

03:04:50.000 By the way, who you got in terms of...

03:04:52.000 Do you think Ferguson and Khabib will go down?

03:04:56.000 Who knows, man? 1.00

03:04:57.000 Not if fucking... 1.00

03:04:59.000 Not if something happens this weekend. 1.00

03:05:02.000 Justin Gaethje's a monster. 0.99

03:05:05.000 Justin Gagey is a monster. 1.00

03:05:07.000 He's a monster. 1.00

03:05:08.000 He's a terrifying individual. 0.98

03:05:09.000 I mean, in a sport that's violent, it's an inherently violent sport, he stands out as the most violent. 0.86

03:05:20.000 You know how crazy it is?

03:05:22.000 I mean, you watch his knockout of Edson Barboza. 1.00

03:05:25.000 You watch how that motherfucker attacks people. 1.00

03:05:28.000 There's a reckless abandon to his calculated wildness that is terrifying. 1.00

03:05:36.000 He's something special and he's better all the time.

03:05:39.000 The question is, how much has he been training?

03:05:42.000 He's taking a fight on very short notice.

03:05:45.000 He's taking a fight on essentially two weeks notice.

03:05:47.000 Also, it might be kind of weird to train now in these coronavirus times.

03:05:51.000 Sure.

03:05:52.000 With training partners, I don't know.

03:05:53.000 Well, Ray Longo, who I respect very much, said that fighters shouldn't be fighting because, I don't know if he said they shouldn't be fighting, but he said he definitely felt like it wasn't fair to the fighters because they don't have a full camp.

03:06:06.000 They're not going to be able to show who they really are.

03:06:08.000 That's a really good point.

03:06:09.000 It's a really good point, man.

03:06:10.000 It's a really good point.

03:06:11.000 This is a wild situation.

03:06:16.000 Where there's a guy who's going to fight for the interim title.

03:06:20.000 He gets the call.

03:06:21.000 Look, that's also how Nate Diaz beat Conor McGregor in their first fight.

03:06:26.000 Remember that?

03:06:26.000 That was 11 days out.

03:06:28.000 They call Nate Diaz.

03:06:30.000 He's eating tacos. 1.00

03:06:31.000 Fucking drinking tequila in Mexico. 1.00

03:06:33.000 And probably doing triathlons, but... 1.00

03:06:35.000 Well, on the side, for sure.

03:06:37.000 Well, he's never out of shape, really.

03:06:39.000 Like, a normal person out of shape, like you or I would get.

03:06:44.000 But for Justin Gage, it really depends entirely on how much time he's been spending in the gym.

03:06:50.000 He's a man with a plan, right?

03:06:52.000 He's trying to be the UFC lightweight champion.

03:06:54.000 So he's probably not getting too out of shape. 0.94

03:06:57.000 And he probably knew that in this case there is a potential that one of those guys could drop out because they've already made that fight four fucking times and it fell apart. 0.96

03:07:06.000 So this is the fifth time it's fallen apart, which is nuts. 0.98

03:07:09.000 That's crazy.

03:07:10.000 So it might be that Justin Gagey knew that this was a possibility that he could be called in as a replacement.

03:07:16.000 He might be in full camp mode.

03:07:18.000 We really don't know.

03:07:19.000 We'd have to talk to him.

03:07:20.000 Conor McGregor knew all along.

03:07:23.000 Conor McGregor knew.

03:07:24.000 He did knew.

03:07:25.000 I called it.

03:07:27.000 He was another one that I'm sure was probably getting ready.

03:07:33.000 I'd love to see him fight in 2020. Conor McGregor versus Tony Ferguson would be fantastic.

03:07:41.000 Why didn't that happen?

03:07:42.000 Do people have to be on standby for last minute fill-ins?

03:07:45.000 I think there are some people that they asked to be on standby.

03:07:48.000 They have definitely done that before and they've asked guys to make weight and there's a lot of guys that have been through a full camp and they're paid for a full camp and they're paid to make weight.

03:07:58.000 This is something that's happened several times in the UFC's history where guys show up because they're there to fight and step in if something falls apart.

03:08:08.000 Especially if you have a guy who maybe struggles with weight cutting and you might fall apart and get pulled from a fight.

03:08:14.000 Or someone who's maybe injured or sick and they're like a little nervous with this fight.

03:08:19.000 We're getting super fights every week, do you think?

03:08:21.000 I don't know, man.

03:08:23.000 If they build Enter the Dragon Island.

03:08:27.000 You're going to commentate, right?

03:08:28.000 Yeah, onto the Dragon Island.

03:08:30.000 I don't know.

03:08:31.000 I don't know how we're going to do it.

03:08:32.000 I don't know how it's going to be done.

03:08:33.000 Please wear the tracksuit.

03:08:34.000 Please.

03:08:35.000 I want to dress like Bruce Lee.

03:08:38.000 Yeah, I did want to really quick ask you.

03:08:42.000 Did you consider interviewing Trump on this?

03:08:47.000 Well, he's never asked to do it, and I've never asked him to do it.

03:08:49.000 Would you do it?

03:08:51.000 I don't know.

03:08:55.000 What makes you...

03:08:56.000 Why do you ask?

03:08:57.000 I'm trying to stay out of politics, bro.

03:08:59.000 It's too sketchy.

03:09:00.000 You think it's politics?

03:09:01.000 Interviewing somebody like Trump?

03:09:02.000 No, it's not politics at all.

03:09:04.000 What?

03:09:05.000 No, meaning...

03:09:06.000 Well...

03:09:08.000 It's a political thing.

03:09:09.000 I mean, just even having him on.

03:09:11.000 Oh, it's a statement.

03:09:14.000 He's a politician.

03:09:17.000 He's a professional president.

03:09:18.000 I mean, it's politics.

03:09:21.000 But the nature of long-form conversation is such that you're not doing talking points.

03:09:25.000 Why do you ask?

03:09:26.000 Okay, so I'd love to see him on the show, first of all.

03:09:30.000 And I actually was in the works of interviewing him.

03:09:35.000 A year ago.

03:09:36.000 For what?

03:09:37.000 For the AI podcast that I do.

03:09:39.000 Really?

03:09:39.000 But it was more of a supposed to be about the AI initiative.

03:09:43.000 That would be a short...

03:09:45.000 I mean, I imagine it would be a short thing about saying how...

03:09:47.000 Were you going to be in person?

03:09:49.000 In person, yeah.

03:09:50.000 That would be an interesting conversation.

03:09:53.000 I would like this kind of conversation.

03:09:55.000 I just wanted to talk – not wanted, but I think what they wanted is to talk with the NSF and certain heads of the administrations and just saying this is a really – it's important for us as a country to stay ahead on innovation in terms of artificial intelligence.

03:10:11.000 So that kind of conversation.

03:10:12.000 It's a little bit – It's a little bit less about getting into the human story of a human being, which I think Trump is one of the most interesting people that have been in office.

03:10:23.000 Yeah, if you're studying humans, he's definitely one of the most interesting.

03:10:27.000 The reason I bring that up is I was thinking...

03:10:32.000 I had this kind of question of...

03:10:36.000 If there's a person that talks – because I thought Trump would be incredible for this.

03:10:40.000 There's a bunch of people in this world which are incredible for this podcast.

03:10:44.000 Like, only you can have that conversation.

03:10:46.000 So I started asking myself, like, what is the conversation I could have that only I can do?

03:10:51.000 Not only, but, like, I'm especially well-equipped for.

03:10:55.000 Yeah, I would say it's well-equipped better.

03:10:57.000 I don't think there's anybody that only I can talk to.

03:11:00.000 Right.

03:11:00.000 I misspoke.

03:11:01.000 I know what you're saying, though.

03:11:03.000 And for that, that's why I think there's agreement now is I'll interview Vladimir Putin. 0.99

03:11:10.000 Holy shit. 0.99

03:11:12.000 I think he has not been interviewed well. 0.99

03:11:14.000 I have all the connections.

03:11:16.000 And you speak Russian.

03:11:17.000 Yeah, so it would be a mix of Russian-English, yeah.

03:11:19.000 Well, that would be the big thing though, is to talk to him in Russian and then relay it in a way that makes us understand it.

03:11:26.000 That's actually an interesting question.

03:11:27.000 I would probably talk in English with a translator.

03:11:31.000 Why would you do that?

03:11:34.000 Because the ultimate result has to be in English.

03:11:38.000 Not has to be, but we have to translate on the fly.

03:11:44.000 Because the, how do I put it?

03:11:47.000 Translators won't do a good job of translating.

03:11:49.000 So I'll understand everything he's saying in Russian.

03:11:52.000 And he'll actually understand everything I'm saying in English.

03:11:54.000 He speaks pretty good English.

03:11:56.000 Okay.

03:11:57.000 But he's not allowed, I mean not allowed.

03:11:59.000 So you think that would be better than subtitles?

03:12:02.000 Yes.

03:12:03.000 I think it's more human.

03:12:04.000 It's more real.

03:12:05.000 It's like you with Joey Diaz and...

03:12:08.000 Yoel.

03:12:09.000 Yeah.

03:12:09.000 You didn't do subtitles for that.

03:12:11.000 No, that was...

03:12:12.000 But he also speaks pretty good.

03:12:13.000 Joey's perfect.

03:12:14.000 He's perfectly bilingual.

03:12:16.000 So that was a great situation.

03:12:17.000 And also, Joey's from Cuba.

03:12:19.000 So together, that was amazing.

03:12:21.000 So the translator that Putin has is actually really good translators.

03:12:25.000 They're not some generic folks.

03:12:27.000 I'm sure.

03:12:27.000 They're friends.

03:12:28.000 Like, they're not friends, but...

03:12:30.000 They know each other.

03:12:30.000 They know each other well.

03:12:31.000 So that's...

03:12:32.000 It's almost...

03:12:33.000 It's a very similar situation, except that person's not a Joey Diaz at all.

03:12:37.000 Right.

03:12:37.000 But it's...

03:12:38.000 That creates that kind of...

03:12:42.000 Atmosphere where you can, when there's some uncertainty about the statements that you're making, you can play with that.

03:12:48.000 But it's an interesting thing.

03:12:49.000 Do you think he would do that?

03:12:51.000 The interview?

03:12:52.000 Yeah.

03:12:53.000 Well, there's two parts.

03:12:54.000 I know I have all the right connections for it.

03:12:56.000 I think he would do it because he will understand who I am.

03:13:00.000 And the second part is I have a little bit of a Conor McGregor situation going on where everything I've done in my life that I decided I'm going to do always happens.

03:13:11.000 Everything?

03:13:11.000 Yeah, everything.

03:13:13.000 I don't know.

03:13:14.000 What do you think that is? 0.99

03:13:15.000 Do you think you got some Mystic shit going on in there? 1.00

03:13:17.000 I don't know. 0.99

03:13:17.000 Mystic Lex? 0.99

03:13:18.000 I don't think so.

03:13:18.000 Should we call you Mystic Lex?

03:13:20.000 Like Mystic Mac?

03:13:21.000 No, that's wrong.

03:13:22.000 Yeah, that's his thing.

03:13:23.000 Mystic Mac.

03:13:24.000 Dude, we're three hours and 20 minutes in, if you believe it or not.

03:13:28.000 That's a good place to end on Putin.

03:13:29.000 But can I do this silly song? 0.93

03:13:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

03:13:31.000 We'll end on a silly song. 0.97

03:13:32.000 No pressure.

03:13:34.000 It's been an amazing podcast so far.

03:13:36.000 This song doesn't...

03:13:39.000 If it doesn't hold up, we're just going to cut the power.

03:13:42.000 Just cut it off.

03:13:44.000 We'll blame it on Brian Callen.

03:13:46.000 Yeah, we'll blame it on Callen.

03:13:47.000 Good call.

03:13:50.000 So I did this video where I played the Joe Rogan Experience theme.

03:13:59.000 Can you hear the guitar, by the way?

03:14:02.000 What many people think is Brian Redband, shout out to Redband, was the one who came up with that from GarageBand.

03:14:11.000 But it turns out there's actually words to this song.

03:14:18.000 Brian Callen wrote?

03:14:19.000 Brian Callen, he sang it in a few episodes.

03:14:22.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

03:14:23.000 I know this stupid song. 1.00

03:14:26.000 We'll end with this. 0.99

03:14:27.000 Lex Friedman, thank you for being here. 0.95

03:14:29.000 I appreciate the fuck out of you. 0.75

03:14:30.000 Tell everybody your Instagram. 0.98

03:14:32.000 Friedman spelled weird like Fridman.

03:14:34.000 Yeah, F-R-I-D-M-A-N. Lex Friedman, Instagram.

03:14:38.000 Do you use the Twitter as well?

03:14:39.000 The Twitters, yeah.

03:14:41.000 Same thing on Twitter?

03:14:42.000 Same thing on Twitter.

03:14:43.000 Listen to the Artificial Intelligence Podcast.

03:14:46.000 Yeah.

03:14:47.000 It's been fun, buddy.

03:14:48.000 If anyone wants to do any weddings or bar mitzvahs for musician-wise...

03:14:51.000 He'll sing his ass off.

03:14:53.000 Come get some. 0.70

03:14:55.000 Okay.

03:14:56.000 Thanks for being here, man.

03:14:57.000 I appreciate it.

03:14:57.000 Thank you, brother.

03:14:58.000 Let's go. 1.00

03:15:06.000 This is the stupidest thing I've ever done. 1.00

03:15:11.000 So this is a story. 1.00

03:15:14.000 Okay.

03:15:16.000 In the desert I met a man With an eagle perching on his hand And he asked me, son, what can I do for you? 1.00

03:15:26.000 Definitely the stupidest. 0.99

03:15:27.000 Father, I said, I'm looking for The meaning I should be living for He put a finger to my lips and said, shh, let the old man speak They call me Brian Callahan. 1.00

03:15:39.000 In this cruel world there is a man you should listen to as you journey on through life.

03:15:45.000 His name is Joe Rogan.

03:15:49.000 Joe Rogan.

03:15:51.000 Shoulders for days and a really wide bag.

03:15:56.000 Joe Rogan.

03:15:59.000 Joe Rogan.

03:16:01.000 Barrel of snakes for a bag.

03:16:06.000 Then he mounted his horse And he looked to the sky And he rode to the sunset With a tear in his eye And the legend goes The old man rides on Singing the words To this terrible song Joe Rogan You 1.00

03:16:40.000 fucked up. 1.00

03:16:47.000 You should have never done that song. 1.00

03:16:48.000 It was terrible.

03:16:49.000 People are going to never forgive you for that.

03:16:51.000 Thank you, buddy.

03:16:52.000 I regret nothing.

03:16:53.000 Thank you, brother.

03:16:54.000 Bye, everybody.

03:16:55.000 Stay safe.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 08, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1455 - Lex Fridman

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