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00:02:11.000I also took a shit squatting and then as I was doing that naked, my buddy moved some branches pretending it was a bear and jumped up and started to run and that caused a problem.
00:02:22.000And then I came back down the mountain, all scratched up, no clothes, and I kept stopping to eat blueberries.
00:02:29.000My buddy was like, stop eating blueberries!
00:04:42.000It's so interesting to watch how people, like I was thinking about this the other day, how people basically as adults, like I would call it adulthood and what they call maturity is the slow acceptance of what you will never be.
00:05:18.000And until finally you're dating some guy with hair in his ears and a pot belly, well, at least he pays the fucking bills, which is what I like to get them, by the way.
00:05:25.000I like to get them when they're just going through a divorce, had their heart broken two, three hundred times, they're 40, they work out way too much.
00:05:31.000That anger and frustration is combined into this fucking, what creates like a freaky that I can really work with in a hotel room.
00:05:40.000The 39-year-old crazy ones starving for attention.
00:06:01.000Do you at any point realize, like, are you starting to sober up at any point in time?
00:06:06.000Like, what's happening as you're sobering up?
00:06:08.000What was happening as I was sobering up, and because I'm such a freak, is I had read a lot about how when you can be on a mountain in the summer, a winter storm can brew up.
00:06:27.000And I'd read about K2. And I don't know if you ever read about climbing K2. It's one thing to climb Mount Everest.
00:06:33.000It's quite another thing to climb K2. Really?
00:06:36.000I believe there's only one side of K2 one can climb.
00:06:39.000And for a while, I believe, and you can check this on Fact Check, one in four people wouldn't make it on K2. People died all the time because storms— One in four people wouldn't make it, like wouldn't survive?
00:06:55.000And so what happened was, it was the holy grail of mountains still is, because what happens is storms whip up really fucking fast, like really fast, and you die.
00:10:06.000I haven't watched the whole thing, but I watched a chunk of it.
00:10:09.000People are just constantly trying to get me to see this thing.
00:10:11.000It's one of those things where people email me once a day.
00:10:14.000Dude, have you seen Zeitgeist moving forward?
00:10:15.000I'm like, "All right." I saw the first Zeitgeist, and although I thought it was very moving, I also thought there was some stuff on 9/11 that I was like, "This is...
00:10:50.000If you actually want a really good debunking of that, Popular Mechanics got together a A whole bunch of mechanical engineering science called Debunking the 9-1-1 Myths.
00:11:00.000And they talk about, for example, how jet fuel burns at a certain temperature.
00:12:17.000If you read a lot of stuff, for example, what people will tell you, there's a good TED lecture by this epidemiologist who's a scientist and actually does science, does the science on, for example, when they said that a glass of red wine a day can help you prevent breast cancer.
00:12:32.000The problem with that statement that you read in the New York Times and everywhere else is that the actual experiment was they had cancer cells in a Petri dish.
00:12:41.000They dropped red grape extract onto the cancer cells.
00:12:55.000But that doesn't mean you infer then that a glass of wine is going to prevent...
00:12:59.000Is that really how they came to that conclusion?
00:13:01.000And there are different kinds of breast cancer, by the way, and cancer itself is an umbrella term for essentially the irregular division of cells, all different kinds of cancer.
00:13:10.000We don't know why some kick on, some happen when you're a child, others when you're an adult.
00:13:14.000There are different theories about it.
00:13:16.000Some are environmental, some are genetic.
00:13:22.000When people say you've got to build your immune system and if you drink this, it'll prevent cancer.
00:13:26.000In fact, I was reading that some cancers don't actually grow as a result of a stronger immune system because they are aligned with your immune system.
00:13:37.000When your immune system is strong for whatever reason and cells start dividing in a healthy way, the unhealthy cells do as well.
00:14:46.000People have a lot of information, and if you actually start scratching the surface and asking them questions, it's like, dude, you don't...
00:14:52.000Where are you getting your information?
00:14:54.000Do you know the genealogy of your idea?
00:15:12.000That's the one that the architects and engineers from 9-11 Truth have a problem with.
00:15:16.000They don't know why that building collapsed like that.
00:15:17.000And it looks like a controlled demolition.
00:15:19.000It's really weird because I've seen a bunch of them.
00:15:21.000It's very interesting because I've never seen a building fall into its base like that, like give out in uniform and come down a straight line.
00:15:28.000But it doesn't mean that it can't happen.
00:15:30.000You've got to be real careful about that.
00:15:33.000It looks like a controlled demolition, and you hear that this Larry Silverstein guy had all this money invested in it, and if the buildings went down, he made billions of dollars.
00:15:41.000You hear all this craziness online, but the real reality is, again, we don't know how a building like that performs until something like that happens.
00:15:54.000And the other thing is nobody ever realizes that these are people, right?
00:15:57.000So if you look at like – if you read like Bob Woodward's The War Room or you look at how like governments, the CIA, this defense intelligence, the National Security Agency, the White House, if there's a crisis, it's really interesting to see.
00:16:11.000And if you look at these memoirs now that are coming out about the Bush era, it's really interesting to see how they do arrive at – At conclusions and decisions to take action.
00:16:25.000And like human beings, everybody's got a different point of view.
00:16:28.000Everybody has their own group of people they control.
00:16:31.000And it comes down ultimately, everybody presents their case to the president, biting their lip, having testy arguments.
00:16:38.000Not talking to each other, threatening to resign, like Condoleezza Rice did with Donald Rumsfeld, because she just didn't get along with him.
00:16:44.000She thought he was condescending, etc.
00:16:45.000And the president finally has to be like, guys, guys, can you, hey, let's not, stop fighting.
00:16:51.000I'm the one who makes the decision, ultimately, present your ideas.
00:16:55.000The idea that we actually let a guy like Bush really be president, to me, is way scarier than the idea that there's some massive conspiracy amongst globalists to control all the world's resources.
00:17:06.000The fact that a guy really could be president, but they really don't have it locked down.
00:17:17.000They obviously had Dick Cheney, and Dick Cheney was the guy who was the fucking CEO of Halliburton, a company that made untold billions of dollars reconstructing countries after we blow them the fuck up.
00:17:28.000It's not a coincidence that this guy would be really fascinated with going to war.
00:17:41.000Condoleezza Rice had a huge falling out with Dick Cheney and a huge, huge argument about the fact that the guy believed in essentially extraordinary.
00:17:49.000I think it's called extraordinary rendition where we would kidnap people, kidnap people and take them to undisclosed locations.
00:17:58.000Usually a country that didn't object to torture and and put them in these detention cells, these CIA prisons.
00:18:04.000And she was like, you can't just disappear people.
00:19:07.000It is, but it isn't, because it's not helping anything.
00:19:10.000It's like I have a joke about Occupy Wall Street, and I totally support the movement, but the joke is that those hippies are just going to start living there now.
00:19:16.000What's going to happen is you're going to go there, everyone's just going to be shit all over the street, and you're going to have to just drive through that on the way to work.
00:19:21.000Hey, man, what you doing's wrong, man!
00:20:03.000And so when you occupy Wall Street, what you're really talking about, Wall Street, of course, just a euphemism or just kind of a name for a very amorphous group of people because what you're talking about when you talk about Wall Street is the investment community.
00:20:56.000I believe, personally, That you had an incentive structure in place, an incentive structure, and a system with holes in it where smart people got together and said, hey, you know what?
00:21:08.000I got to tell you, there are some very big legal loopholes here and we can make a lot of money.
00:21:23.000We may be out of a fucking job if we don't do this.
00:21:26.000So when you're in that and you start to realize it, it's really an interesting development where you go, gee, what would I do in that situation as well?
00:22:04.000And there's a very good book that I'm about to read and I had two very big bankers who were in this and had lived through it and saw every bit, every detail.
00:22:14.000And they said the book to read is The Big Short by Michael Lewis.
00:22:40.000That is widely respected as the book and sort of the Bible on how this shit happened and what happened and essentially who's to blame himself.
00:22:48.000But you start going into that blame game, it's really interesting.
00:22:51.000It's really fucking interesting because there are a lot of people, and they're not just Republicans, they're not just libertarians, a lot of people can make a very strong case for things like the Equal Housing Lending Act, the kinds of laws that came out of government because it was very popular on the Republican and Democratic side to say, hey, I'm going to pass legislation that makes it easy for everyone to own a house.
00:23:22.000The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston did a study.
00:23:25.000They found that even if you're qualified for a loan, if you're a minority, if you're black or a Latino, and even if you're just as qualified as a white person, you're four times as likely to be turned down, turned down for that loan.
00:23:36.000So if you're black or you're Latino, back in, I think this was in 1998, Six or whatever, I don't remember the date.
00:23:44.000If you're black or Latino, you have the same credit as a white person, you're still four times as likely to be turned down for a loan.
00:24:20.000It's just so weird that people thought that it was normal that you would buy a house and then it would be worth twice as much in two years.
00:24:39.000My father, who was a banker, said, my father looked at me and he goes, not going to last, because I was going to buy a piece of property, get into real estate.
00:24:46.000He goes, you know anything about real estate?
00:25:29.000And there's a lot of skill involved in baseball.
00:25:31.000But when it comes to fighting and you're out there with gloves that are just tiny and somebody else is trying to knock your fucking head off and you don't know how to kick, punch, and wrestle.
00:26:42.000You've got to look at these things and go, listen, Ed Soares is a smart dude, and Anderson Silva's a goddamn genius, and Chael Sonnen is the greatest marketing mind that combat sports has ever known by a long shot.
00:27:55.000Instead of just staying on top of guys and punching them in the face, you know, you can win a fight like that, but you know what else you can do?
00:28:00.000You can lose a fight like that because the guy survives and catches you in a submission.
00:28:05.000the kind of caliber of Chael Sonnen, you're not gonna get up, man.
00:28:09.000The only way you're gonna get up is he's gonna make a subtle mistake and probably late in the fight.
00:28:13.000You know, maybe he's trying to finish you off and he gets cocky and you get an underhook and you get back up to your feet.
00:28:18.000But for the most part, a guy like that can keep you down.
00:28:20.000And if he's got good submissions, fuck, why wouldn't he have good submissions?
00:28:24.000Look at the elite level grappling he has.
00:29:15.000When a guy's been humiliated a couple of times, and then he comes back and is a fucking badass, there's a different level of intensity that those guys have.
00:29:22.000A guy's been humiliated, like a George St. Pierre, there's an intensity that he brings to the table where this is not going to fucking happen again.
00:30:33.000The shoulder, I mean, look at all the different moves that the shoulder can do, and think about, you know, how loose the tissue has to be inside of there.
00:30:41.000And if something goes wrong, if there's tears and soft tissue damage or worse, ligament rips and things that need you to go back in there and stitch everything up and put it together and possibly even have more than one surgery.
00:30:56.000There's people that have shoulder injuries and it's nine, ten months.
00:31:20.000He's the perfect size heavyweight, where he's not a giant guy, so he doesn't require all this amazing oxygen, but he's still small so he can move.
00:31:29.000There's always that debate about what's the perfect size, because when you're 260, you don't have the kind of explosive speed with your punches, usually.
00:31:38.000You've got a lot of weight in those arms, too, when you fill up with blood, man.
00:32:32.000You're talking about, like, Josh Thompson, like, those guys, that's like an elite, elite MMA athlete.
00:32:37.000You know, like, as good a shape as you can get in, as athletic as you can get in, and to have this fucking freak heavyweight beating them in exercise drills is really kind of crazy, or at least getting close to them.
00:32:49.000Heavyweights are traditionally way easier to tire out, and he just puts a pace on these guys so you can see them unjust, can't believe it's real.
00:37:48.000There's videos of him online, crazy deadlifts and all this strength lifting shit.
00:37:52.000But the true test of that, whether or not you can perform with all that muscle on, really is when you get stuck under the bottom of a guy like Brock Lesnar.
00:38:20.000So his technique as a wrestler, too, he's very technical.
00:38:24.000Like, even though he's, like, he does, like, a lot of shit, like he chains...
00:38:28.000He does it in a way that very few heavyweights do.
00:38:31.000It's like the way he moves is like the way a lighter weight guy would wrestle.
00:38:34.000And so he brings this really technical wrestling to it too.
00:38:37.000So when Brock starts heaving and hoeing just a little, Kane's got underhooks, he's back up to his feet, and boom, and Kane's all of a sudden kickboxing with him, lighting him up.
00:38:46.000He's got the worst case scenario for a guy like Brock.
00:38:50.000He's got nasty stand-up, knocked out Nogueira in a ridiculous flurry in a way that no one's able to do it.
00:39:22.000I was going to say, and I was going to ask you about that, because it seems to me if a fight's going to go three rounds, it's one thing to cut weight.
00:39:27.000When a fight's going to go five rounds, cutting weight is going to be a liability, usually.
00:39:33.000If the other guy has not cut weight, your muscles and all those cells are hydrated, and you're not going to get as tired.
00:39:39.000So it's an interesting kind of strategy.
00:39:46.000It's definitely better than the way they used to do it.
00:39:48.000Guys, the way they used to do it, you start eating slowly and then they would start slowly sipping water and then try to get up in the middle of the night and drink water and they would drink water and Pedialyte.
00:39:57.000But now the smart way to do it is with an IV. But there's been some studies apparently that were done on soldiers.
00:40:27.000Well, I think he can probably get up to 190 if he's eating whenever the fuck he wants and powerlifting and shit, but he's most certainly too big for 155, I think.
00:40:38.000If he catches you with a big shot, he'll put you away.
00:40:41.000But I think he's so thick that, you know, for him, it might be better if he lifted less and just got a little bit more cardio into his system.
00:40:50.000And I know he's got good cardio, don't get me wrong, but He doesn't have the same cardio that a guy like Edgar does.
00:40:56.000And I think one of the reasons for it is a guy like Edgar has less body mass, period.
00:41:01.000He has less oxygen that has to push through the muscles.
00:41:04.000And I think, again, there's a point of diminishing returns.
00:41:07.000Edgar is obviously not as strong as Grey Maynard.
00:41:12.000Grey Maynard is way stronger than him.
00:41:23.000But I think that's a mechanical thing, man.
00:41:25.000I think he would be able to punch like a motherfucker no matter what.
00:41:27.000I think he's just become a much better boxer over the course of the time we've seen him in the UFC. I don't think him losing a little bit of mass would hurt that.
00:41:44.000If he knocked out Frankie Edgar in the first round, I'd be saying, oh, he improved and he came back and he's one of the best of the division now.
00:41:52.000The thing about UFC now is these guys become better punchers.
00:41:57.000Those little gloves become such a liability for any kind of error.
00:42:01.000You make any fucking mistake and you go out.
00:43:55.000I found that that's one of the effects of a severe concussion because I had a 40-minute fight with this guy named Pasquale, this French guy, and Boom Boom Mancini was watching.
00:44:06.000It was at Street Sports and I didn't want to lose.
00:44:10.000I was like, I'm not tapping in front of Boom Boom Mancini.
00:44:48.000But for this, I think what happened was at one point, I think I was standing and I came back and hit my head on the mat and we just kept moving.
00:47:13.000You let this gay man get into your soul.
00:47:15.000Right, but then I looked in the mirror, and I was looking at myself, and I went like this, and I said right in front of him, I go, then again, I do punch people for looking like this.
00:47:23.000You see guys who are like, they walk into Intelligentsia Coffee, where they charge you $6 for a cup of coffee, and their hair is just must just the right way.
00:47:32.000They got a bracelet on, this awesome...
00:48:53.000But what's crazy about these book bags is if you look at the reviews on Amazon or whatever, there's so many psychos that are like, I could fit all three cats.
00:50:34.000The reason why there's so many bitches and pussies in the men department in this world today is because the commodity of pussy is so goddamn powerful.
00:50:43.000The percentage of the market devoted to pussy is like, shit, it's got to be like 40 or 50% of the market is based on pussy.
00:50:54.000When I think of the conversations I've had, the sincere conversations I've had with girls just to get laid, where my brow is knotted and I'm like, really?
00:51:17.000The universe is set up fucked up because we have the same bodies that we had back when infant mortality rates were through the fucking roof.
00:51:23.000So you had to want to fuck all the time so that you could have a reasonable amount of people so that the human race could survive.
00:55:06.000But the point I was making is this, is that Chris's character looks at a girl, and for the whole episode, she's giving him a hard time and he feels guilty.
00:55:14.000And he can't admit that he was just looking for a girl.
00:55:16.000And I was saying the other day, I was like, look, the truth of the matter is, we're fucking genetically programmed to be that way.
00:55:23.000So we have an honest conversation about what that struggle is for a guy, Yeah, but don't even say for a guy, because it's a struggle for a girl, too.
00:55:31.000It's a respect issue, and that's why I don't think that people looking at other people while you're in a relationship is cool.
00:55:36.000While you're with someone, you know what you're doing.
00:55:40.000I've seen girls do it to dudes, and it's very disturbing.
00:55:49.000I'm just talking about when it does happen, instead of pretending it didn't or instead of saying that I don't feel that way, there is a dialogue to be had which is, yeah, you know what, that's the way.
00:55:59.000When you get shit out in the open, it takes the edge off.
00:56:02.000It does, but it's a disrespect issue in the first place.
00:57:04.000You'll have kids with them, and then when they're like 20, the kids will be like 20. I know, but I'm beginning to think that everything is fine.
00:57:10.000If you do it with your eyes wide open, it might be a risk, but fuck it.
00:58:16.000As long as you learn from your fuck-ups, you're better because of them.
00:58:19.000I am unquestionably, I would not change a single thing about anything I've ever done ever.
00:58:24.000I mean, I definitely feel bad for if I've ever hurting anyone's feelings at any point in time in my life.
00:58:30.000That's the number one thing, if anything, I ever regret.
00:58:32.000It's like, maybe I shouldn't have been so mean to that dude, or maybe I shouldn't have yelled at this chick, or maybe I shouldn't have, you know, maybe I should have like ate it before I... Or taking a look at where they're coming from, perspective.
01:01:50.000You have to be able to look back in your past at a moment where you fuck something up and feel uncomfortable about it, and that should provide you with a certain amount of humility and understanding.
01:01:59.000I think a man is the product of what partially, but largely a product of Of how, of the actions he chose to take as a response to failure.
01:02:21.000We're a strange animal that's dealing with infinite variables.
01:02:24.000And the only way to truly find a focused way through this path is to have accumulated a massive amount of experiences and forged positive information and game plans from these experiences and be able to move forward.
01:02:38.000You cannot know it all right away from the get-go.
01:08:08.000Some person pretended to be a girl and tricked you into kissing him and never even told you something that, for a lot of guys, would make them violent.
01:08:26.000Okay, for you, but for a lot of guys, it's an experience that they don't want to have, and someone tricked them into doing it, and they could get violent.
01:08:33.000And I don't justify it, but I'm saying a lot of guys, that would be their reaction.
01:08:37.000The fact that you felt bad is very strange.
01:08:39.000And you went back and then wrote her a poem.
01:08:41.000Did you kiss him with tongue after that?
01:08:43.000I don't believe I kissed with tongue, but if I tell the story again, I'll definitely use that.
01:10:05.000I had sex with those girls that we dated in college and then I dated them right after college and for the next 10 years, maybe longer, they were always a booty call.
01:10:16.000Those kind of relationships are so strange, aren't they?
01:11:26.000Both of them were, you know, my girls for a long time.
01:11:29.000They are down at a restaurant in New York City called Il Buco, which is a great restaurant, by the way.
01:11:35.000And I get a call from one of them, which is essentially like, hey, Brian, it's such and such and such and such, and we're hanging out, and we really wish you were here, and we were talking about you, and we were talking, telling dirty stories, whatever they were saying.
01:12:37.000My two old girlfriends, who subsequently asked me to have children with them, by the way, just to use my sperm, which was very flattering, but I had to say no.
01:14:01.000People don't know what an entertaining dude this guy is.
01:14:05.000He's one of these guys like there's certain people that they go from cradle to the grave and they never become famous and it's a national disaster.
01:14:46.000And screams because he's driving, standing up on the pedals, and his cock is going on 57th Street in the middle of the...
01:14:52.000I was like, you're the craziest motherfucker.
01:14:54.000He was three blocks away from his house.
01:14:55.000There was a restaurant that I stopped going to, and I stopped going to this restaurant because the last time I went was with you and Jimmy, and the fucking waiter kept interrupting Jimmy's stories with some new bullshit plate that they're bringing over with...
01:15:11.000Some fucking description of where the olives came from and how the cheese is cured.
01:15:17.000And Jimmy's telling some crazy fucking post-9-11 horror story about hearing the bodies hit the ground.
01:15:25.000And this motherfucker comes over with a plate of cheese.
01:15:28.000This cheese is brought to you from South America.
01:15:30.000And it's a type of cheese that's with that yak milk.
01:17:35.000it smells why is my dick hard why am I crying why god okay it's called why am I crying anyway so so so before I can even do anything Jimmy goes I'll fucking kiss him He goes, get over here, you fucking pussy.
01:22:04.000I know Scientology can shut down some shitty writers or some unknown people or some people that haven't been established by the media, but those guys have a voice, man.
01:24:40.000But it is a fascinating thing to me that it is possible to do something like that.
01:24:44.000But it also is very Coen Brothers-esque.
01:24:46.000You know, it's also very much like another piece of evidence that points me to the idea that the entire world that we live in is a work of fiction.
01:25:09.000Did I tell you what, Daniel Day-Lewis, there's a great interview where he said, Daniel Day-Lewis said the funniest thing, because I think he's an incredible actor, right?
01:25:15.000So I started kind of researching him and stuff.
01:25:29.000I sit around all day wearing somebody else's clothing, having somebody else's thoughts, saying somebody else's words, and trying to believe all of it, basically because I am, at heart, a boring middle-class Englishman.
01:25:42.000I think he said because I'm ashamed of being basically a boring middle-class Englishman.
01:25:45.000It was a great answer because he looked at the absurdity.
01:25:49.000Christian Bale, they were like, why do you lose weight so much?
01:25:51.000He goes, because I'm a man and I put makeup on and I make believe for a living and I got to make it feel like real work.
01:26:00.000That guy came close to dying when he did The Machinist.
01:26:04.000I've never seen a transformation like that.
01:26:05.000A lot of people, I remember back in the day when people were first starting to do that, Robert De Niro was one of the first guys to put on weight for a movie for Raging Bull.
01:26:12.000And I was like, wow, he really got fat for that movie.
01:26:32.000Yeah, it's like, you remember that blowout when he was on, they kept playing it on radio stations where he was yelling at some guy on the set?
01:26:38.000It's because the guy on the set's a fucking idiot.
01:26:41.000If you're operating on that level of frequency where you need to really believe that you're in this scene and some asshole keeps walking around tweaking things in your line of sight that's not supposed to be there, it's maddening.
01:28:10.000When you find out how much of it is based on reality, how terrifying it is, how much power the tobacco companies have.
01:28:16.000And that's sort of like what's going on.
01:28:18.000My thoughts about this whole Occupy Wall Street thing, when you look at banks and hedge fund companies and all this corruption and the financial situation that we have right now, you look at it and you're like, man, these people have been getting away with so much for so long.
01:28:32.000It's like telling them that everything has to be fair now.
01:28:39.000I got into this because I met my friend Tim at school and he was two years ahead of me and he brought me out in a limo with coke and hookers and they said, listen bro, we're trading stocks, we're shorting things, we're making millions, we got this fucking town wired.
01:28:53.000And you're like, um, I want in and then you all get together in the 80s Gordon Gekko style and start fucking raping the financial system.
01:28:59.000That's why they're there in the first place.
01:29:01.000They're there to make ass-fuck tons of money through every possible loophole.
01:29:05.000Did you read about one of the CEO's wives who got some of the government bailout money to start a new business, like $250 million in loans?
01:29:14.000From some fucking guy who's got like billions of dollars!
01:29:25.000Well, look, the President of the United States, when you know how much they own shit, when the President of the United States says, ladies and gentlemen, poor suffering people of our country, I am going to take...
01:29:37.000Billions of dollars of your tax money and I'm going to give it to these cunts that ruin these banks.
01:29:44.000And I'm real sorry about this, but they get bonuses.
01:29:47.000And their bonuses are going to be roughly half of what you're going to make in your entire life.
01:29:52.000It's going to be half a million dollars is what we're going to put a cap on it.
01:29:55.000That's the cap he was trying to put on it.
01:29:57.000He was like, we're going to put a half a million dollar cap.
01:30:05.000The reason why you have a bank is because you took our fucking taxes and you threw it back into your system and now everything's spinning and you want to shit out bonuses.
01:30:12.000What kind of contract do you have where you have a bonus when the bank breaks?
01:30:19.000But what message are they telling us when the president tells all the poor people of this country where the middle class is falling apart, poverty is an all-time level, 47% of all of Detroit's illiterate, I mean literally the infrastructure, everything's falling apart.
01:30:36.000And he's like, I'm going to limit it to a half a million dollars.
01:30:39.000First of all, he can't limit anything.
01:30:42.000And the other thing is that I think at the end of the day, the...
01:30:48.000I went to Occupy Los Angeles last night.
01:30:49.000What do you mean you can't limit anything?
01:30:51.000Well, what banks will say is when you give that money, when you give that TARP money to a bank, and they're going to use it for various things, they're using it to operate their business, to keep their business afloat.
01:31:06.000And the biggest problem was that these banks came to someone like Obama.
01:31:34.000It may be, but when you have a situation where most economists are saying to the president, look, the central nervous system of this economy is going to collapse if you don't I'm not saying this is good.
01:31:45.000I understand the arguments for the bailout.
01:31:46.000The biggest problem is that these banks weren't dealing with their own money.
01:31:51.000They were taking risks with your money, not with theirs.
01:32:31.000No, I think that the U.S. is having to compete with China and India and a lot of other countries, and we are truly becoming a global economy.
01:32:40.000And I don't think in a lot of ways the U.S. has gotten ready for that.
01:32:42.000But we're not making anything other than Corvettes.
01:33:33.000You know, you hit that low-end torque on a big fucking V8 with a supercharger, you can hear the whine and The U.S. exports a lot of ideas and fun.
01:34:12.000But why is there room for things like derivatives and shorting?
01:34:16.000Well, a lot of those derivatives and stuff, back when it was working, a lot of those derivatives and When I was working.
01:34:22.000Well, it allowed people to minimize risk so that banks would lend money because they could minimize risk with derivatives.
01:34:28.000And as long as that was self-contained, derivatives put a lot of wealth back in the system.
01:34:34.000I think what happened ultimately was a lot of economists and historians are starting to talk about This was also a function of the rise of the East.
01:34:43.000It was also a function of the fact that other countries were buying and investing in the US housing market.
01:35:11.000A lot of it was people in this country, a lot of whom you and I know, who said, I'm going to start treating my house like it's a commodity.
01:35:17.000Not like it's a place to live, but rather a way to make money.
01:36:40.000So there was kind of like this element around that area that's like, hey, there's a new apartment complex opening up for the homeless people type thing.
01:37:23.000And the whole time he's staring my phone down.
01:37:25.000So I think maybe he saw my government-issued boots and was trying to figure out...
01:37:29.000Because I had a shaved head, like a military haircut, and wearing the coat from Taxi Driver or whatever.
01:37:35.000Well, obviously, we had Kevin Pereira from Attack of the Show on here the other day, and we were talking about agent provocateurs, government people who are sent in to break up, calm protests, and turn them into violent protests so they can bring them in and fucking arrest everybody.
01:37:54.000I've been impressed with how, when I hear the Occupy Wall Street people, a lot of them are people who are actually educated, who just can't find a job, and are trying to find the answers themselves.
01:38:04.000That wasn't really the case as much as I thought it would be.
01:38:33.000But then my friend who's running the live stream and all the media coverage of the whole place, he called me over and so kind of rescued me.
01:39:00.000I sat there and watched this rap concert for a while where people were handing off the mic and this homeless guy was, like, looking guy was, like, bouncing, like...
01:39:18.000And then they took me to the media event where they do all the live interviews and all the media stuff and it's all like generators and solar collectors And then there's tons of computers.
01:39:27.000And then this girl just out of nowhere comes up to my friend C and was like, hey, I want to donate these laptops.
01:40:36.000I felt like such an ass because I had a tin can, and there was those three different colors of trash cans, like the green, the black, and the blue.
01:40:43.000Oh, I'm sitting there going, which one is it?
01:41:21.000Wall Street has, not only have they donated $4.6 million to the police, but they also started hiring the police.
01:41:28.000It's something that most people don't know.
01:41:29.000You can hire a police officer for roughly $37 an hour.
01:41:33.000So all these Wall Street firms are hiring tons of cops, off-duty cops, to do paid work there, and they work as a police officer with a real badge and a real gun and a real ability to arrest, but they're working for the bank!
01:41:47.000So it's a loophole where these are police officers, but they are doing the bidding of the bank.
01:41:57.000They're not like the bank says, hey, police officers, can you organize your own police presence around this area and put as many police officers as you see fit and I guess you guys work for the state and maybe we'll throw in a picnic for you and we'll help generate some money to pay for all this extra revenue that's going to cost you.
01:42:36.000I think the biggest threat facing all of us as far as this whole situation talking about this, I think the real enemy is that we are slowly or maybe very quickly losing our representative government.
01:42:49.000And what I mean by that is that this government, and James Madison warned about this.
01:42:53.000He said the one thing you have to be careful of in a democracy like this is special interests.
01:42:58.000The Constitution says you are allowed to petition your government.
01:43:03.000The problem is that our country now is being run by small bands of very energetic, well-financed fanatics.
01:43:12.000And when you are a representative in the House of Representatives, if you are a congressman, if you are even a senator, but especially a congressman, you don't do a goddamn thing unless you check with that lobby, unless you check with the people that finance Your campaign.
01:43:29.000And the people that have real power in Washington are fundraisers and lobbying groups.
01:43:34.000Now, James Madison said what's going to happen is these lobbyists will offset each other with their different, and it'll be competing interests and stuff.