The Joe Rogan Experience - July 24, 2020


Joe Rogan Experience #1514 - Joe De Sena

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In this episode, Joe talks about the ridiculous amount of weight he carries on a daily basis, and the ridiculous things people do to make sure he doesn t carry it everywhere. He also talks about some of the crazier things they do to stop him from carrying it on planes, and how they treat him when he tries to bring it on a plane. And, of course, there's a story about a woman who doesn't understand why he needs to carry a weightlifting kettlebell in the first place, and just wants to pick it up and walk it out of the baggage claim in front of the TSA at JFK Airport. And then he talks about what happens when he shows up at customs with it, and they don't allow him to carry it on board the plane, because they think it's like a weapon. And it's a good thing he doesn't carry it with him on planes or anywhere else, because he'd probably be in serious trouble if he had to carry that much weight on board a plane, and he's not allowed to even carry it in a carry-on bag, right? And that's not even close to the craziest thing he's ever had to deal with, let alone in a foreign country, and yet he still carries it everywhere he goes, and it's still allowed to fly across the country with it on his back? And he's allowed to do it? How about when he's in India and they still won't let him take it on the plane with him? and he gets asked to put it in someone else's bag? How's that right at the airport to check it in?? Yeah, it's pretty funny, right?! Just pay the . . . We hope you enjoy this one, and if you like it, please leave us a review and tell us what you think about it on Apple Podcasts! if you liked it, we'll be looking out for more episodes like this in the future, and we'll try to make it even better next week, and share it with a friend who needs a little bit more of this in their lives. . Thanks for listening! -Joe, Joe, the podcasting geniuses. XOXO. -Jon and the podcast, Joe "The Kettlebell Guy" and we're looking for more like that. Jon, the kettlebell guy Mike, the farmer.

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00:00:00.000 Thanks for doing this.
00:00:01.000 My pleasure.
00:00:02.000 Hello, Joe.
00:00:02.000 How are you?
00:00:03.000 We're rolling.
00:00:03.000 What's going on, man?
00:00:04.000 Nice to meet you.
00:00:05.000 Thanks for having me. 0.99
00:00:06.000 So, the kettlebell, you bring this fucking thing everywhere you go? 0.99
00:00:10.000 Literally everywhere? 1.00
00:00:10.000 I do. 1.00
00:00:11.000 I lived overseas and I started it.
00:00:14.000 You know why I started it?
00:00:15.000 I had a 696 pound guy come to the farm.
00:00:22.000 Six years ago.
00:00:24.000 And he wanted help losing weight.
00:00:26.000 And I helped him over 18 months get down to 265 pounds.
00:00:31.000 And one of the methods I used to motivate him was I said, as you lose weight, I'll carry weight.
00:00:38.000 And eventually I was carrying a 100-pound sandbag.
00:00:41.000 Fast forward and we can get into it.
00:00:44.000 I moved overseas with my family and I tried to carry that 100-pound sandbag because I had made that commitment to them.
00:00:50.000 And they wouldn't let it through TSA. So when I landed in Asia, I asked my wife, I said, hey, could you order a 20-pound...
00:00:58.000 It's stupid that I'm carrying a sandbag. 0.96
00:00:59.000 Can you order a 20-pound kettlebell? 1.00
00:01:01.000 I'll just carry a 20-pounder around so I'm not a complete fraud.
00:01:04.000 And she confused pounds with kilograms and I ended up with a 44 pounder and it just became my shtick, my thing.
00:01:13.000 So when you say you carry it everywhere, you mean you go everywhere with it?
00:01:17.000 I go everywhere with it.
00:01:18.000 So during the pandemic, I wouldn't carry it if we were going to a grocery store.
00:01:22.000 But if I'm traveling to see you or I'm going anywhere in the world, kettlebell's coming with me.
00:01:26.000 Vegas, anywhere.
00:01:27.000 Do you take it as a carry-on?
00:01:29.000 Depends on the country.
00:01:31.000 We operate in a lot of countries, and every country treats it differently.
00:01:35.000 So some U.S. flights, they'll let me carry it on, which is strange.
00:01:38.000 Others, they ask me to check it.
00:01:40.000 You know, they won't let you bring a pool cue on a plane.
00:01:43.000 Because they say it's like a weapon.
00:01:44.000 How is that not like a weapon? 0.99
00:01:46.000 Well, my answer to them is you'd have to be pretty fucking strong. 0.99
00:01:50.000 You're pretty fucking strong. 0.99
00:01:51.000 I'm not that strong. 1.00
00:01:51.000 You could smash somebody with one of those things. 1.00
00:01:54.000 No, but they've let me bring it on planes.
00:01:56.000 China doesn't mind at all.
00:01:57.000 India, in India, you're going to love this, they asked me to put it in someone else's luggage.
00:02:03.000 So, in other words, somebody had just dropped off their luggage.
00:02:06.000 I'm checking the kettlebell.
00:02:07.000 Stick it in that blue suitcase.
00:02:08.000 Get it when you get to the other end.
00:02:10.000 You don't even know who the person is?
00:02:11.000 I don't even know who the person is.
00:02:12.000 Oh, that's insane.
00:02:13.000 So I get there and I have to explain to this person in India why I'm opening their suitcase to get my kettlebell out. 1.00
00:02:19.000 Do they speak English, the person you're speaking to?
00:02:21.000 This particular case, no. 0.99
00:02:23.000 So what did they say when you pull a fucking kettlebell out? 0.99
00:02:26.000 They were like confused. 1.00
00:02:27.000 They don't know.
00:02:27.000 But if you act with authority, they just assume maybe I work for the airline or who knows.
00:02:32.000 Oh my God, that's hilarious. 0.99
00:02:34.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99
00:02:36.000 Is that standard behavior in India? 0.98
00:02:40.000 How many times have you been over there?
00:02:41.000 I've been to India twice.
00:02:42.000 It's happened twice in India.
00:02:44.000 Same thing?
00:02:45.000 Same thing.
00:02:45.000 Put it in somebody else's bag.
00:02:47.000 Somebody else's bag.
00:02:48.000 In the Middle East, they give me a sentence, which I can't recall, but it basically says it's going to be up to God if this comes out the other end.
00:02:59.000 Really?
00:03:00.000 For real.
00:03:02.000 They've lost a dozen of them in the United States.
00:03:04.000 In the United States once, you're going to love this.
00:03:06.000 I get to JFK, and there are two stories in the baggage claim.
00:03:12.000 So I go to the large luggage area, because I'm hoping that's where the kettlebell is, that's where it should be.
00:03:17.000 But I hear some noise on the conveyor belt above me. 0.98
00:03:21.000 Sure enough, the fucking kettlebell comes flying down the steep ramp. 0.99
00:03:25.000 Oh my god. 0.99
00:03:26.000 Almost takes out a TSA, you know, a customs officer.
00:03:30.000 Dents all, I'm embarrassed to say, dents all the stainless steel, right?
00:03:34.000 But I walk over embarrassed, pick up the kettlebell and walk out.
00:03:40.000 I bought a bowling ball bag with a roller on it.
00:03:45.000 I bought one of those for a kettlebell, but I was like, what am I doing?
00:03:48.000 I stopped.
00:03:49.000 I stopped. 0.99
00:03:50.000 It's just too much of a pain in the ass because I don't like to check luggage. 0.99
00:03:53.000 I don't like to check luggage. 1.00
00:03:54.000 I like to carry my shit. 1.00
00:03:54.000 I like to carry it. 1.00
00:03:56.000 The woman will wrap it perfectly, as if it's like Godiva chocolate. 0.98
00:04:01.000 Wrap it in cardboard, tape it, put a little handle, and then in high-heeled shoes, she'll carry it 100 yards like she's sweating, and carefully place it in location.
00:04:12.000 So they're very detail-oriented.
00:04:13.000 That's a different culture over there, man.
00:04:15.000 Different culture.
00:04:15.000 Yeah.
00:04:16.000 They have one of the lowest death rates and lowest problems with COVID. Like, they're one of the countries that handled it the best.
00:04:27.000 And we're trying to figure out why, and I think it's probably, they're really good at following rules, very disciplined, and they wear masks all the time when they're sick.
00:04:38.000 So I lived there for a year.
00:04:40.000 And during COVID, I put together this phone call that happened every morning.
00:04:45.000 I called it the warrior call, 527 AM. And I had all our teams from 40 plus countries get on the call.
00:04:52.000 30 minutes.
00:04:52.000 Give me an update from Japan.
00:04:54.000 Give me an update from China.
00:04:55.000 Give me an update from France.
00:04:56.000 Just very quick.
00:04:57.000 And they shut down Japan right away. 0.99
00:04:59.000 I mean, they did not fuck about. 0.98
00:05:01.000 And, you know, they're not shaking hands in Japan, right? 0.99
00:05:04.000 They've got the bow.
00:05:06.000 Taxi drivers are wearing gloves.
00:05:07.000 They don't mess around.
00:05:09.000 So, no surprise that...
00:05:12.000 They killed it right away.
00:05:13.000 It's so interesting how human beings that, you know, basically not much different other than they're from a different climate, you know, different genes, but it's just amazing how differently they live.
00:05:25.000 It's amazing how they all have, like, when I was in Japan, I've only been once, but when I was in Tokyo, I was like, everyone is so polite.
00:05:32.000 Like, you're walking down the street and...
00:05:34.000 It's like there's no garbage anywhere.
00:05:36.000 It's very clean, but yet it's very packed.
00:05:39.000 There's a lot of people.
00:05:41.000 And everyone is very friendly.
00:05:43.000 It's like the way they handle everything.
00:05:45.000 Everything is very polite, very orderly.
00:05:47.000 One thing I found interesting, I couldn't go to the gym unless I went back to my hotel room and put a long-sleeved shirt on.
00:05:53.000 No tattoos?
00:05:54.000 Yeah, they wouldn't let me out.
00:05:55.000 I'm like, I'm not Yakuza.
00:05:57.000 You're a mafia. 0.96
00:05:59.000 You're a mafia. 0.98
00:06:00.000 Yeah, they wouldn't let me show.
00:06:02.000 You cannot have any visible tattoos, at least in the gym that I was working out at.
00:06:05.000 No, it's everywhere.
00:06:07.000 And, you know, there's simple little things they did to affect human behavior.
00:06:12.000 Like, we couldn't find garbage cans on the street like you would in New York or somewhere else.
00:06:17.000 You find yourself in a situation where you can't dispose of the garbage, right?
00:06:20.000 So now you're sticking in your pocket. 1.00
00:06:22.000 So within a month, you're not creating garbage anymore because it's a pain in the ass, right? 0.99
00:06:27.000 You're figuring out how to use less and get rid of less. 0.99
00:06:32.000 So they've changed behavior.
00:06:35.000 Subways are spotless.
00:06:36.000 Yeah.
00:06:37.000 I didn't watch, I didn't actually get on any of the subways, but everything was spotless.
00:06:42.000 It was weird.
00:06:43.000 And people are thin.
00:06:44.000 Yeah.
00:06:45.000 Right?
00:06:45.000 Fit.
00:06:46.000 Yeah.
00:06:47.000 They smoke a little too much.
00:06:49.000 They smoke a lot.
00:06:49.000 They drink a lot too, which is weird.
00:06:51.000 They drink a lot.
00:06:51.000 That's weird.
00:06:51.000 But they don't really get fat.
00:06:53.000 Wow.
00:06:53.000 Yeah.
00:06:54.000 Very unusual culture.
00:06:55.000 And if you follow back to the warrior culture, the samurai and I mean, their long history of martial arts, it's really kind of amazing that this island had so much innovation and so much mastery of hand-to-hand combat,
00:07:11.000 of swordsmanship, of sword making.
00:07:15.000 I mean, it's a pretty incredible culture.
00:07:17.000 They're the Germans, we like to say, of Asia. 0.60
00:07:21.000 That's a good way of putting it.
00:07:22.000 They are tight.
00:07:23.000 Yeah.
00:07:23.000 So what were you doing over there?
00:07:24.000 Why were you there for a year?
00:07:25.000 So after I helped that guy lose that weight...
00:07:30.000 How did you do that, by the way?
00:07:32.000 He lost 400 pounds?
00:07:34.000 Yeah.
00:07:35.000 Close to it?
00:07:35.000 Close to it.
00:07:36.000 In a year?
00:07:37.000 18 months.
00:07:38.000 That's amazing.
00:07:39.000 It was amazing.
00:07:39.000 You're not going to be, we may be at odds on this, but I went, and I'll tell you why.
00:07:44.000 We went raw fruits and vegetables only, and here's a guy that was eating eight egg McMuffins a day for breakfast and two two-liter sprites.
00:07:54.000 Jesus.
00:07:55.000 Right?
00:07:55.000 So he gets, he balloons to 696 pounds.
00:07:57.000 How long did it take him to get that big?
00:08:01.000 No, as big as he was.
00:08:03.000 Was he always big?
00:08:05.000 Yeah, when he left, he was crying.
00:08:07.000 He said to me, this is the first time, as far as I can remember, where I fit in one airplane seat.
00:08:12.000 Oh, wow.
00:08:12.000 So this was over a long period of time.
00:08:14.000 But we did raw fruits and vegetables, and then we started with a 10-mile hike every day.
00:08:21.000 10 miles every day?
00:08:22.000 Every day, and then it went to 20. It went to 10 in the morning, 10 at night, raw fruits and vegetables.
00:08:28.000 We got to a point where he was losing 2 to 3 pounds a day.
00:08:31.000 That 10 in 10, that's a long hike and a lot of time.
00:08:35.000 How much time was that taking him every day?
00:08:37.000 He gave up work.
00:08:38.000 He worked for Comcast.
00:08:39.000 They were kind enough to say, you're on leave.
00:08:42.000 I covered the expenses, which was like two stalks of celery and a glass of water every day.
00:08:47.000 It wasn't much of an expense.
00:08:49.000 And he spent the whole day basically hiking.
00:08:52.000 So he hiked all day, and what kept him motivated?
00:08:55.000 Just this idea that he was going to lose weight at the other end?
00:08:58.000 I took his keys, I took his wallet, and he had no plan.
00:09:02.000 Like, what was he going to do?
00:09:03.000 How was he going to get out?
00:09:04.000 Where was this?
00:09:05.000 We have a farm in Vermont.
00:09:06.000 So we basically had him on lock and key.
00:09:09.000 How did you know this guy before this?
00:09:11.000 I got a phone call that somebody had just finished one of our Spartan events that was extremely overweight and showed me the photo.
00:09:19.000 And I said, get in touch with this guy right away.
00:09:21.000 This is our Jared.
00:09:22.000 This is our Subway star.
00:09:24.000 You don't want to say Jared now.
00:09:25.000 That's right.
00:09:27.000 Let's let that go.
00:09:28.000 You remember.
00:09:28.000 Yes.
00:09:29.000 So got in touch with him and he said, game on.
00:09:32.000 Wow.
00:09:33.000 That's amazing.
00:09:34.000 It was amazing.
00:09:35.000 So he completed the race at 600 pounds?
00:09:37.000 He was tricked.
00:09:38.000 He was told that it was a 5K walk.
00:09:42.000 So normally that 5K Spartan would take, let's say, 90 minutes for the average person.
00:09:48.000 He took seven hours.
00:09:49.000 Wow.
00:09:49.000 So tricked into it, fought through it, probably would have never come back.
00:09:54.000 But then I found out about him, called him and said, hey, you're invited to the farm.
00:09:58.000 I want to help you do that.
00:09:59.000 We documented it.
00:10:00.000 We actually filmed it.
00:10:01.000 Wow.
00:10:01.000 So you didn't know this guy at all before this?
00:10:02.000 Didn't know him.
00:10:03.000 That's incredible.
00:10:04.000 So you just looked at it as, okay, this is a project.
00:10:06.000 Yeah, I tend to...
00:10:08.000 I like broken wingers.
00:10:10.000 I like helping folks that...
00:10:12.000 I grew up in Queens, in Howard Beach, and it was, for whatever reason, organized crime capital of the world.
00:10:19.000 And this is going to sound crazy, but my neighbor was one of the big bosses.
00:10:22.000 And one day, when I was pre-teens, he said to me, you know the best thing we could do on this earth?
00:10:27.000 And I said, what?
00:10:27.000 He said, help people.
00:10:28.000 This is a guy that killed people for a living.
00:10:31.000 Because his perspective was, he was a protector, right?
00:10:34.000 He would help people, even though...
00:10:36.000 From the outside, we know what they really do.
00:10:38.000 But it stuck with me.
00:10:41.000 I've got to help people.
00:10:42.000 So this was one of those people I helped.
00:10:44.000 Isn't it crazy that sometimes even people that are just – you would look at them and they're like, they're bad people.
00:10:51.000 They have some good advice. 0.99
00:10:53.000 Like even morons can occasionally say something like – Huh. 1.00
00:10:57.000 Alright. 1.00
00:10:58.000 I got that. 0.99
00:10:59.000 Every now and then, even a real fool will say something that makes a whole lot of sense. 0.98
00:11:05.000 He changed my life, this guy. 0.98
00:11:06.000 He said to me, my parents were going through a divorce.
00:11:11.000 I'm 12 years old, and he wants to help me.
00:11:15.000 So he says, come over.
00:11:15.000 You're going to clean our swimming pool for us.
00:11:17.000 I'm going to pay you $35 a week.
00:11:19.000 So I come over on Saturday morning.
00:11:22.000 He says, alright, the first lesson...
00:11:24.000 Sit me down for lessons.
00:11:25.000 First lesson is if you're going to come at 8 a.m., you show up 7.45, right?
00:11:30.000 On time is late.
00:11:31.000 Great lesson for life. 0.98
00:11:33.000 Second lesson is if I'm paying you to clean the pool, I want you to straighten up the shed, straighten up all the lawn furniture, clean the windows, do whatever the fuck you have to do, but make it so that when I get home, I can't live without you. 0.90
00:11:44.000 You are irreplaceable as far as a service provider.
00:11:48.000 And number three, never ask for money.
00:11:50.000 You'll get paid if you do a good job.
00:11:53.000 And it just stuck with me for life.
00:11:55.000 And really, really good lessons from, like you say, a most unlikely source of advice.
00:12:02.000 Well, you know, not all mob people are bad people.
00:12:05.000 That sounds like a crazy thing to say, but I've known quite a few of them in my life, and some of them were genuinely good guys. 0.81
00:12:12.000 They were just in a fucked up line of work. 0.99
00:12:14.000 A fucked up line of work. 0.99
00:12:15.000 Well, you know, a lot of them thought of themselves as soldiers. 0.99
00:12:19.000 They really did.
00:12:20.000 They thought of themselves as soldiers in an ancient war that we're not going to understand.
00:12:25.000 We're not talking about people that are shaking people down for money.
00:12:29.000 I'm talking about people who were doing work for organized crime, and they looked at the government as criminals as well. 0.52
00:12:37.000 They were like, they're all criminals. 1.00
00:12:38.000 Wall Street, you don't think they're fucking criminals? 1.00
00:12:42.000 As a young person growing up in that, that was the exact narrative I heard as I was being indoctrinated. 0.99
00:12:49.000 That the government was just as bad.
00:12:51.000 They killed people.
00:12:52.000 These guys, is what they were saying to me.
00:12:55.000 Wall Street does it with a pen. 1.00
00:12:57.000 What the fuck are you looking at? 1.00
00:12:58.000 Cops plant evidence. 1.00
00:13:02.000 I'm not defending them.
00:13:04.000 It's good that the mob's not around, but they did a great job with Vegas.
00:13:08.000 They did a good job with Vegas.
00:13:09.000 They ran Vegas very nice.
00:13:11.000 This guy ended up giving me 700 customers by the time I graduated college that were...
00:13:19.000 Oh, so you had a whole pool cleaning business by then?
00:13:21.000 I had a giant business, knock on wood, that were mostly connected to...
00:13:29.000 And I became friends with all these guys.
00:13:32.000 Wow.
00:13:32.000 And could just go in any place.
00:13:34.000 It was pretty unbelievable.
00:13:35.000 It's pretty surreal thinking back.
00:13:37.000 And I wanted, like, who wouldn't want to be that?
00:13:40.000 You're a young kid.
00:13:41.000 You're in this neighborhood.
00:13:41.000 They got money, respect, beautiful cars.
00:13:43.000 Like, I want to be that.
00:13:45.000 That's the problem with that and with young kids growing up around gang members or drug dealers.
00:13:52.000 You look at that and they have things that I don't have and they live this life and they get respect from people.
00:13:57.000 They're feared.
00:13:59.000 It looks attractive.
00:14:01.000 And one of the boss's wives said to me one day, because I was alluding to how do I get my...
00:14:09.000 Might make my bones and she said this isn't I had red hair light skin everybody else had dark hair dark skin and This isn't for you.
00:14:17.000 You stick with cleaning pools.
00:14:18.000 This is from the wife.
00:14:19.000 Oh good for her. 0.99
00:14:21.000 So Yeah, that kind of set me straight So this guy you find this guy he's 600 plus pounds you whittle him down to would you say 260?
00:14:31.000 265. He's a big fella already must be right?
00:14:34.000 Yeah, you got to see that I probably could find the photo of the pants that he wore coming in versus the pants he left with.
00:14:42.000 I mean, you could fit three people in the pair of pants.
00:14:44.000 How did you organize his diet?
00:14:46.000 So I didn't tell you.
00:14:48.000 When I was a kid, on one hand was raviolis, ganolis, and guns.
00:14:52.000 On the other hand, my mom got into yoga, meditation, health food. 0.98
00:14:55.000 She was like bohemian, crunchy. 0.59
00:14:57.000 So while you were working for the mob, your mom was a yoga? 0.99
00:15:00.000 My mom had monks in the living room.
00:15:02.000 It was very embarrassing.
00:15:04.000 And the reason that happened was because her mom died of cancer, and she walked into a health food store to kind of figure things out.
00:15:12.000 This is like in the 70s.
00:15:14.000 It's probably one health food store in New York at the time.
00:15:16.000 There's no yoga journal.
00:15:17.000 There's no Whole Foods.
00:15:18.000 People don't even know what a health food store is now.
00:15:20.000 When you say health food store, they're like, what are you talking about?
00:15:22.000 Health food?
00:15:23.000 There was incense burning.
00:15:25.000 That's exactly right.
00:15:25.000 So she walks in.
00:15:27.000 There happens to be an elderly yogi that just landed in JFK from India.
00:15:33.000 In the health food store, she strikes up a conversation with this yogi, changes her whole life, right?
00:15:39.000 Comes home, throws away sausage, peppers, eggplant, it's all out of the house.
00:15:43.000 Parents get divorced for obvious reasons.
00:15:45.000 She's going to go in a different direction. 0.96
00:15:46.000 And I am trying my best for the next 10 years to have my friends not come over because I'm embarrassed, right?
00:15:53.000 There's like Indian pictures on the wall, there's beads, there's chanting, there's monks, and I want to be a gangster. 1.00
00:16:04.000 Yeah, so anyway, so she, maybe through just repetition, would just instill this idea that You've got to eat healthy.
00:16:14.000 You've got to get on raw fruits.
00:16:15.000 We're going to go vegan.
00:16:16.000 All the things that are somewhat popular now.
00:16:19.000 And you've got to do yoga.
00:16:20.000 And you've got to sweat every day.
00:16:22.000 Cold showers way before Wim Hof.
00:16:24.000 She was into the cold showers. 0.61
00:16:25.000 Really?
00:16:26.000 Oh my God.
00:16:26.000 This was like proper food combining.
00:16:30.000 This idea of intermittent fasting.
00:16:32.000 My mom fasted for 30 days.
00:16:35.000 This is back in the 70s.
00:16:37.000 While meditating.
00:16:40.000 What was that like?
00:16:41.000 You were at home while she was doing that?
00:16:43.000 Yeah, my grandfather, her father had to come to the house and rip her out of the room because he thought she was going to die.
00:16:49.000 Like, she was getting thin, she's sitting, meditating.
00:16:52.000 She was pretty extreme. 1.00
00:16:56.000 And so I had to balance these two things.
00:16:58.000 And so, yeah, I guess what I do now is a little tough guy, a little yoga.
00:17:06.000 I guess that's what it is.
00:17:07.000 But this guy's diet.
00:17:09.000 Yeah, so it came from my mom.
00:17:11.000 Right, but you're dealing with a man who obviously has an extreme health condition.
00:17:14.000 He's morbidly obese.
00:17:15.000 How do you know how many calories to give him, what's healthy, what's safe?
00:17:19.000 How do you know how to proceed there?
00:17:22.000 So if there's doctors listening, they're probably going to say that I'm crazy.
00:17:29.000 And then I'll answer the question more succinctly.
00:17:31.000 Mom introduced me to a guy named Dr. Fred Bishi.
00:17:34.000 You could look him up.
00:17:34.000 He's 92 now.
00:17:37.000 He decides 55 years ago that he's only going to eat raw fruits and vegetables.
00:17:41.000 That's it.
00:17:42.000 This is an Italian guy that was a weight lifter.
00:17:44.000 He's only going to eat raw fruits and veggies.
00:17:45.000 And he's going to test on himself like a guinea pig, does it work or doesn't it work?
00:17:50.000 Is this the best diet or not?
00:17:51.000 I'm just going to test it on myself, he says.
00:17:55.000 What he finds is that, you know, he feels better.
00:17:57.000 All the things that people agree or don't agree with.
00:18:00.000 So I wasn't necessarily knowing that and meeting Dr. Bishi and seeing my mom.
00:18:08.000 I wasn't necessarily into like how many calories.
00:18:11.000 It was just like if you eat good healthy food.
00:18:14.000 Less ultra-processed food.
00:18:17.000 You're not going to starve yourself.
00:18:18.000 Eat what you need.
00:18:19.000 You could eat 40 salads.
00:18:20.000 I don't really care, was my message to the guy.
00:18:23.000 But you're not going to.
00:18:24.000 You get tired of salad, right?
00:18:26.000 Once you're tired of salad, then you want the other thing.
00:18:28.000 Then you want to have a cookie.
00:18:29.000 But if you can only eat salad, you're never going to overeat salad.
00:18:33.000 So all he's eating is fruits and salads?
00:18:35.000 Fruits and veggies, that's it.
00:18:36.000 Everything raw?
00:18:37.000 Everything raw, not cooked.
00:18:39.000 Because the theory was, if you cook it, you kill it.
00:18:43.000 And...
00:18:44.000 I don't know how many months into it we are, but he's probably down to 350 pounds, 400 pounds, and he says to me, I gotta go to the doctor.
00:18:52.000 And I said, what are you talking about?
00:18:53.000 I gotta get my liver levels checked.
00:18:56.000 You're not a doctor, and I'm really worried. 0.95
00:18:58.000 You got me on this ridiculous diet. 1.00
00:19:00.000 And I looked at him, and I said, you stupid motherfucker. 1.00
00:19:04.000 I said, you were eating eight Egg McMuffins every day and drinking two two-liter Sprites. 1.00
00:19:08.000 How many times did you get your liver levels checked when you were doing that? 0.53
00:19:12.000 You worried about eating fruits and vegetables, that that's fucking up your liver?
00:19:15.000 Anyway, I talked him out of it.
00:19:17.000 And he stuck it out.
00:19:19.000 But we would have battles like that.
00:19:22.000 Well, I'm sure he was in agony.
00:19:23.000 Oh, pain.
00:19:24.000 Serious pain.
00:19:25.000 I mean, losing that much body, your body's probably freaking the fuck out.
00:19:29.000 Like, we can't do this.
00:19:29.000 This is not sustainable.
00:19:31.000 This is like a 720 degree turn for him from what he was.
00:19:35.000 Did you ever hear about that guy?
00:19:37.000 We brought it up a few times.
00:19:39.000 Was it in the 60s, Jamie, the guy who he fasted for a whole year?
00:19:42.000 He did just vitamin drips and he was enormously obese.
00:19:46.000 And he just did vitamin drips and fasted for a whole year.
00:19:49.000 But the crazy thing about it was he didn't get stretched out.
00:19:54.000 His body absorbed the skin.
00:19:57.000 I mean, maybe it's just his personal genetics.
00:19:59.000 You know, like some women, they get pregnant, they have massive stretch marks. 1.00
00:20:02.000 Other women, they snap right back like a rubber band. 1.00
00:20:05.000 There's no rhyme or reason.
00:20:06.000 It seems to be genetic.
00:20:07.000 But this man, who was really fat, he lost all this weight, but he lost it everywhere.
00:20:14.000 Like, his skin came back normal-sized.
00:20:17.000 He didn't have to have any of his skin removed.
00:20:19.000 I would bet if it wasn't genetic and unique to him, I've done very long-distance races where we had limited food, and I've read about people that have been stuck at sea, let's say, for 72 days, and their teeth get extremely white and their skin,
00:20:35.000 if they're not getting sunburned, it gets beautiful.
00:20:39.000 I'm speculating.
00:20:40.000 I'm not a doctor.
00:20:40.000 Your body eats any excess.
00:20:44.000 I'm making that up.
00:20:45.000 I don't know if that's...
00:20:46.000 I think that might be it. 0.99
00:20:48.000 Obviously, we're both morons, but if you think about this guy's skin, That's the thing that always happened. 1.00
00:20:56.000 I mean, I've had friends that lost a ton of weight, and they would have these big flaps of skin. 0.99
00:21:02.000 He had it.
00:21:02.000 And they wanted to get it removed.
00:21:04.000 But this guy didn't.
00:21:05.000 This guy, his whole body shrunk.
00:21:09.000 Was this Dom D'Agostino told us about this, or was this someone?
00:21:14.000 I'm looking for pictures to see.
00:21:17.000 I heard about it.
00:21:19.000 Yeah.
00:21:19.000 I heard about it.
00:21:20.000 But that was the fascinating part of the story to me.
00:21:23.000 It was like, whoa, like this guy, not only did he live off of his fat and IV vitamin drips, that's what he took for a whole year.
00:21:30.000 So he lived off of his fat.
00:21:32.000 His body had, you know, hundreds and hundreds of pounds of fat to lose.
00:21:36.000 He lost it all, but that his skin shrank was fascinating to me.
00:21:40.000 I'm like, man, if we could convince people to try that.
00:21:42.000 But again, I don't know if that's the healthiest way to do it.
00:21:46.000 I mean, I don't know what kind of long-term damage you're doing, if any.
00:21:49.000 So I'm a believer, again, no scientific, I go back to like ancient times and I say to myself, we never had an abundance of food.
00:21:58.000 You and I couldn't walk into a grocery store and have access.
00:22:01.000 If we had food, we had food.
00:22:03.000 And so I would think our stomachs and our digestive system needs time.
00:22:11.000 It's not used to just constantly taking food on demand.
00:22:14.000 Wake up, coffee, donut.
00:22:16.000 I don't think our stomachs are made for that.
00:22:18.000 So I don't know about fasting for a whole year.
00:22:20.000 That's a different...
00:22:21.000 But also, you have to get to that crazy state to be able to do that.
00:22:25.000 You've already abused your body to the point where you're hundreds and hundreds of pounds overweight.
00:22:32.000 That's not normal anyway.
00:22:33.000 That's a tough one.
00:22:34.000 You want to go back to hunters and gatherers.
00:22:37.000 That wasn't even possible.
00:22:38.000 No.
00:22:39.000 No, they wouldn't have been able to do that.
00:22:40.000 I mean, and he was probably laying in a bed and probably not very active.
00:22:44.000 Right, probably, yeah.
00:22:45.000 So this guy, you just say, you're just going to eat as much salad as you want and as much fruit as you want, but that's it.
00:22:53.000 That's it.
00:22:53.000 And just by doing that and these long walks, and how long have these walks taken?
00:22:58.000 You're doing a 10-mile hike.
00:22:59.000 Well, in the beginning, as you can imagine, those were really long hikes.
00:23:04.000 Yeah.
00:23:04.000 Right?
00:23:05.000 And probably two miles an hour, so five hours to get that done.
00:23:09.000 But as he lost weight and he got more fit, he hustled.
00:23:12.000 And on the farm, on our farm in Vermont, it's hilly.
00:23:15.000 So I could either send them through the fields, which we did in the beginning, but eventually now he's climbing mountains too.
00:23:21.000 And then I started adding weight.
00:23:24.000 Now he's got to carry a little 10-pound sandbag and a 20-pound sandbag.
00:23:27.000 So we just kept upping the ante as his body adapted to what we were doing to him.
00:23:33.000 And he just kept, boom, kept taking off weight.
00:23:35.000 Wow.
00:23:36.000 Yeah.
00:23:37.000 And so after 18 months, did you let him have a cake?
00:23:40.000 No, did not let him have a cake.
00:23:42.000 But I'll tell you what.
00:23:44.000 Somebody heard about what I did.
00:23:45.000 And this guy shows up, number two, we'll call him.
00:23:49.000 And he's 300 pounds and he wants to get to 200. And I said, all right, head up the mountain.
00:23:55.000 You're going to sleep in the cabin, because I just went through all that time with the other guy.
00:23:59.000 And we're going to be much more efficient here.
00:24:01.000 First week, you're only eating apples.
00:24:03.000 You're going to clean out your system.
00:24:04.000 I gave him a giant bushel of apples, put them on top of the mountain.
00:24:08.000 30 days we had him down to 200 pounds.
00:24:11.000 What?
00:24:12.000 30 days.
00:24:12.000 Lost 100 pounds in 30 days.
00:24:15.000 That seems scary.
00:24:16.000 Scary.
00:24:16.000 Hiking, raw fruits and vegetables.
00:24:18.000 And here's a guy that was sedentary, a truck driver, not really moving around much, eating shit foods. 0.99
00:24:24.000 I mean, it's not rocket science, right? 1.00
00:24:26.000 You eat shit food, you're not active, you're gaining weight. 0.99
00:24:28.000 You eat good food, you're very active, you lose weight. 1.00
00:24:31.000 And his girlfriend picks him up after 30 days. 0.96
00:24:36.000 And they fucking leave the farm, unbeknownst to me, and they go straight to Ben and Jerry's. 0.99
00:24:40.000 And they put on like 18 fucking pounds in a day. 0.99
00:24:46.000 Right? 1.00
00:24:46.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:24:47.000 So, I mean, there's psychological issues that I, that's not what I'm fixing.
00:24:52.000 I'm doing the physical part.
00:24:53.000 Well, I got to think that a person willing to do 18 months, is that what you said with that gentleman?
00:24:57.000 He hung in for a while.
00:24:59.000 The 18 months is just psychologically you're building up some pretty spectacular endurance.
00:25:05.000 Just raw fruits and vegetables for 18 months and hiking 20 hours a day.
00:25:10.000 You're putting some miles on your mind there.
00:25:12.000 That's strengthening that muscle of discipline in a way that he probably had never done in his whole life.
00:25:19.000 He got tough.
00:25:20.000 He finished a big event with us.
00:25:22.000 That was the big moment for him at the end.
00:25:26.000 Got in a single seat in an airplane when he left.
00:25:29.000 Got a girlfriend.
00:25:30.000 Stuff started to come together for him.
00:25:33.000 So, does he maintain?
00:25:35.000 He was at 265 at our best, and my latest understanding is 350. He bounced back about 100. Oh, that's not good.
00:25:43.000 Better than 696. Yeah, but 100 leads to 200. What did he do differently?
00:25:49.000 I mean, you come off the raw fruits and veggies and you stop walking 20 miles a day, right?
00:25:53.000 Slip a cake in here and there.
00:25:55.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:25:56.000 That's got to suck, though.
00:25:57.000 You get them down to this really amazing weight.
00:26:02.000 I mean, what am I going to do?
00:26:03.000 I can't keep all these people on the farm.
00:26:04.000 There's nothing you can do.
00:26:05.000 No, but still.
00:26:06.000 You get them there, and then they got to fly.
00:26:08.000 They got to do it.
00:26:09.000 Yeah, it sucks that you got that far, and then you see them put 100 pounds.
00:26:15.000 How long did it take them to put 100 pounds on?
00:26:16.000 I'm sure it was 90, 100 days.
00:26:19.000 Yeah.
00:26:21.000 But they snap back.
00:26:22.000 I mean, it's that pendulum swing, right?
00:26:23.000 Like, oh my god, I get regular food now.
00:26:25.000 I don't have to hike as much anymore.
00:26:27.000 I mean, I'm a believer.
00:26:28.000 I don't know if you are.
00:26:29.000 I'm a believer the number one motivator for human beings is the avoidance of discomfort, right?
00:26:34.000 Because if we didn't avoid discomfort, we'd freeze in the snow, we'd fall off a cliff, we'd get in cold, right?
00:26:39.000 So we're always constantly, even subconsciously, avoiding discomfort.
00:26:44.000 And to be healthy, you gotta be uncomfortable.
00:26:47.000 You gotta train.
00:26:48.000 You gotta eat healthy.
00:26:49.000 Those are hard things to do.
00:26:50.000 Go to bed early, not drink as much.
00:26:51.000 And so unless somebody's holding you accountable, or unless you're, like, obviously you're a high performer.
00:26:57.000 I'm a bit of a maniac in that.
00:26:59.000 Like, I'm more uncomfortable if I'm not...
00:27:03.000 If I'm not optimal, if I'm not being my best.
00:27:05.000 But most people, that's not the case.
00:27:08.000 No, you have to kind of make your mind into...
00:27:12.000 Your mind has to seek discomfort.
00:27:16.000 It has to seek these difficult tasks.
00:27:19.000 You have to enjoy it.
00:27:20.000 And you have to figure out a way to make your mind enjoy those things.
00:27:23.000 And some people, it comes easy, and some people, it doesn't.
00:27:26.000 Some people, it takes a long time.
00:27:28.000 I always tell people the best thing you could ever do is force yourself to a schedule.
00:27:31.000 Just write it down.
00:27:33.000 Today I have to do an hour on the treadmill.
00:27:35.000 I have to do an hour.
00:27:36.000 No matter what. 0.99
00:27:37.000 Even if you're fucking walking, you're doing an hour on a treadmill. 0.98
00:27:40.000 The next time you're going to do it, okay, you did an hour and this is the amount of miles you got in. 0.99
00:27:45.000 Next time, you're going to add three miles.
00:27:48.000 Put an extra three miles in that one hour.
00:27:50.000 And just keep doing things like that.
00:27:52.000 Write down, today I'm going to do 100 push-ups, and I'm going to do 100 sit-ups, and I'm going to do 100 chin-ups.
00:27:56.000 That's today.
00:27:57.000 And then force yourself.
00:27:58.000 Force yourself to adhere to a schedule.
00:28:01.000 Make a Monday, Wednesday, Friday workout schedule.
00:28:03.000 Give yourself some time off, you know?
00:28:06.000 Don't even crush yourself to the point where you can't do it.
00:28:09.000 Make it so that you really appreciate those Tuesdays and Thursdays. 0.92
00:28:11.000 But on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, you're going to fucking get after it, and this is what you're going to do. 0.87
00:28:16.000 Most people just try to go work out. 0.95
00:28:18.000 And you're kind of aimless and you show up and you pick up the jump rope and you jump a little rope.
00:28:23.000 Maybe you hit the heavy bag a little bit.
00:28:25.000 Maybe you do some curls.
00:28:26.000 But you don't really have an aim.
00:28:28.000 That's why people like to hire trainers because a trainer will tell you what to do.
00:28:31.000 Well, you can tell yourself what to do. 0.99
00:28:35.000 If you don't have money for a trainer, you don't even have to have fucking equipment. 1.00
00:28:38.000 You know, with bodyweight squats, sit-ups, chin-ups, push-ups, you can kick your fucking ass. 1.00
00:28:46.000 You could give yourself a brutal full bodyweight workout. 0.99
00:28:50.000 And you could find these for free on YouTube.
00:28:52.000 There's a ton of them.
00:28:53.000 There's a ton of these bodyweight workouts you could do.
00:28:55.000 Just force yourself.
00:28:56.000 Write it down, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
00:28:58.000 I'm gonna do 100 push-ups, I'm gonna do 100 chin-ups, I'm gonna do 100 sit-ups. 0.96
00:29:02.000 Even if it takes me all fucking day. 0.73
00:29:04.000 Even if I have to do 10 and 10 and 10 and keep going all day, just that's what you do. 0.97
00:29:09.000 Do 10 push-ups, take a break for 20 minutes, do another 10. But get those 100 in.
00:29:14.000 Here's a question I have for you.
00:29:15.000 I agree with you 100%.
00:29:16.000 Body weight and discipline.
00:29:18.000 Yeah.
00:29:19.000 But you were a fighter.
00:29:21.000 Tell me if you agree with this.
00:29:23.000 In the 70s, I remember as a young kid seeing Rocky.
00:29:26.000 And that was my introduction to, for many kids actually, that was our introduction to fighting.
00:29:31.000 And for whatever reason, at a very young age, it was intriguing to me that a person, a fighter, would get out of shape and then get in shape.
00:29:41.000 Why wouldn't they just stay in shape the whole time?
00:29:44.000 Yeah, it's a discipline issue.
00:29:46.000 It's also like a lot of fighters are wild people.
00:29:48.000 You know, one of the things that fuels them is not just this desire to compete.
00:29:53.000 They're wild. 0.99
00:29:54.000 They like to get fucked up. 1.00
00:29:55.000 They like to drink. 1.00
00:29:55.000 They like to party. 1.00
00:29:56.000 They like to womanize. 1.00
00:29:57.000 They like to go out on the town and be the fucking man, you know, and they get fat. 1.00
00:30:03.000 Like Roberto Duran was famous for that, right? 0.99
00:30:05.000 He'd get real fat in between fights and then you'd have to lose weight and just...
00:30:10.000 You know that there's guys that don't like Bernard Hopkins never never gained weight and he was super disciplined and always ate really clean and Was a elite athlete deep into his 40s.
00:30:21.000 I mean it was a world champion deep into his 40s Yeah, which is very unusual for a boxer and and so my question is is um Makes sense why they go in and out and they don't they don't maintain it, but then the very disciplined fighters Would perform better I would imagine right because then yeah in the for the most part.
00:30:39.000 Yeah Do you think, because this is the way, I call it the Spartan paradox, right?
00:30:44.000 You probably have a better name for it from all the years of fighting, but like, if you have a date on the calendar, the Spartans knew they were going to battle.
00:30:51.000 If you know you've got a fight coming up, you'll do those push-ups, those squats, right?
00:30:55.000 And those crunches.
00:30:57.000 Some guys will.
00:30:58.000 But if you know, you got a battle coming.
00:31:00.000 Okay, I'll give you an example.
00:31:01.000 Andy Ruiz.
00:31:02.000 Andy Ruiz, he comes in last minute, knocks out Anthony Joshua, becomes the heavyweight champion of the world.
00:31:08.000 First Mexican heavyweight champion of the world. 0.99
00:31:11.000 He's a fucking hero. 1.00
00:31:13.000 Gets fat as fuck, balloons up to 280. This is while training for the next fight. 1.00
00:31:18.000 Weighs in at 280. Loses the rematch.
00:31:20.000 Knew it was coming. 1.00
00:31:21.000 Got rid of his trainer, had all sorts of fucking problems in camp, partied too much. 1.00
00:31:26.000 Knew it was coming. 0.99
00:31:27.000 Knew the date was coming.
00:31:27.000 Wouldn't do the work.
00:31:28.000 Wouldn't do the work.
00:31:29.000 Just was living the lifestyle.
00:31:31.000 Just got too wrapped up in the fact that he was the champ and too wrapped up in partying and next thing you know he lost the title and now he's faced with this very difficult task of trying to get a fight for the title now because he's a dangerous fighter still.
00:31:46.000 But people, he's not really the draw that he could have been.
00:31:48.000 If he beat Joshua the second time, he's a superstar.
00:31:52.000 He's up there with Tyson Fury.
00:31:53.000 You got cocky.
00:31:54.000 Well, whatever it was, man, you got lost in the lifestyle.
00:31:57.000 The lifestyle gets a lot of these guys.
00:31:59.000 You know, you're hanging out with a lot of your buddies that you came up with.
00:32:03.000 You know, maybe you got a buddy who drives you around.
00:32:06.000 Maybe you got another buddy who does security and they like to party.
00:32:09.000 And there's girls and maybe a little bit of cocaine, a little bit of alcohol. 0.99
00:32:13.000 Next thing you know, you're fat again.
00:32:15.000 You know, and this is, it's real common.
00:32:18.000 It's real common.
00:32:19.000 Would you say, at least I see it in our community, is for the most part, most people, if they know they got something hard coming They'll wake up a little earlier.
00:32:28.000 It's a good motivator, but some people cram for tests, right?
00:32:33.000 Some people push it up.
00:32:34.000 Like if you tell someone they have a fight in three months, some people start drinking water right now, and they start eating healthy right now, and they write down a schedule, they start monitoring their heart rate, maybe they get a whoop strap and start Checking what their heart rate variability is.
00:32:48.000 Make sure they're recovering from their workouts correctly and do it scientifically.
00:32:51.000 Other people go, three months?
00:32:53.000 Alright, we're gonna party for a month.
00:32:54.000 And then two months, I'm gonna get after it.
00:32:56.000 And then two months into it, look, I only need six weeks. 0.99
00:32:59.000 Let's go to fucking Cancun. 0.99
00:33:00.000 Let's go do this. 0.99
00:33:01.000 And then they say, I'll be fine. 1.00
00:33:03.000 I'll fuck this motherfucker up no matter what. 1.00
00:33:04.000 And then come fight time, they know they didn't put in enough work and they're nervous. 1.00
00:33:09.000 And so they talk shit at the weigh-ins. 0.99
00:33:11.000 They try to push the guy. 1.00
00:33:12.000 They try to fuck with his head. 1.00
00:33:14.000 You know, did you see all this insecurity come out? 1.00
00:33:16.000 The psychological aspect of fighting is a crazy battle.
00:33:22.000 And oftentimes that psychological aspect of it is either reinforced by discipline or the opposite.
00:33:32.000 If you know you don't have any discipline, it plays on your psyche and it fucks with you and it really gives guys tremendous anxiety.
00:33:39.000 There's a lot of very, very talented fighters that, for whatever reason, are just not very disciplined.
00:33:46.000 It's really common.
00:33:48.000 Sometimes the most physically talented guys, it came a little too easy for them.
00:33:52.000 Maybe they have some unique gifts.
00:33:55.000 Maybe they're very fast or maybe they hit very hard.
00:33:57.000 And those things are really kind of genetic, especially hitting hard.
00:34:01.000 You could take a kid who is just starting out.
00:34:06.000 And he can hit harder than a guy who has been fighting for 10 years.
00:34:10.000 And it's weird.
00:34:11.000 It's just the way you're built.
00:34:13.000 It's just the way you're built, you know?
00:34:14.000 And some guys just have it and some guys will never have it.
00:34:17.000 They could be world champions.
00:34:19.000 They could be fighting 10-15 years and then retire and never have a real one-punch knockout power.
00:34:24.000 And other guys are born with it. 0.99
00:34:26.000 You get a guy, first day of the gym, he hits the pads and you're like, holy shit! 1.00
00:34:30.000 And other guys don't. 1.00
00:34:31.000 And some of those guys with the power, sometimes they just fuck off. 1.00
00:34:34.000 Sometimes they're not disciplined. 0.99
00:34:36.000 Sometimes the guys who don't have the power, they work harder.
00:34:39.000 And they develop a better, more well-rounded skill set to compensate for the fact they don't have that one-punch knockout power.
00:34:48.000 Would you say, I have an opinion, but would you say the athlete, doesn't matter if it's boxing, whatever, right, that has both?
00:34:55.000 That has the genetics and that just...
00:34:58.000 That's a Michael Jordan.
00:34:59.000 That's a Roy Jones Jr. That's a spectacular athlete, but who's also super intelligent and disciplined.
00:35:07.000 You need intelligence, too.
00:35:08.000 People look at intelligence, unfortunately, like book smart.
00:35:14.000 And by book smart, I don't mean someone who's intelligent, who's uneducated, is not capable of being book smart.
00:35:21.000 Because most of them are.
00:35:22.000 But Mike Tyson is a great example.
00:35:24.000 Mike Tyson is a very intelligent guy.
00:35:26.000 And when you talk to him about boxing history, when you talk to him about the history of philosophy, when he starts talking about great warriors and Marcus Aurelius and some of the books that he's read, he's very intelligent. 0.91
00:35:38.000 But he's intelligent in figuring out how to fuck people up. 0.94
00:35:42.000 You can't get that good.
00:35:44.000 At heavyweight boxing just on physical talent, which clearly he had, and just on genetics, which also...
00:35:50.000 He was 190 pounds and he was 13. Wow.
00:35:54.000 When he was 13, Teddy Atlas told me he took him to these smokers and they wouldn't believe it.
00:35:58.000 They're like, how holds that kid?
00:35:59.000 He's like, he's 13. He's like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99
00:36:01.000 He's like, okay, he's 16. And so he put him in there with 16-year-olds and he would knock them out cold. 0.99
00:36:05.000 Wow.
00:36:05.000 Because he was just...
00:36:07.000 He had breath.
00:36:08.000 Yes.
00:36:08.000 And he had focus and drive, but...
00:36:11.000 That perfect unicorn is a person who's obsessed, but also extremely intelligent and gifted.
00:36:19.000 That's the unicorn.
00:36:20.000 That's John Jones.
00:36:21.000 That's Roy Jones Jr. That's Michael Jordan.
00:36:25.000 That's these freaks.
00:36:26.000 When you see them, you're like...
00:36:28.000 Gretzky.
00:36:29.000 Yes.
00:36:29.000 Everything.
00:36:30.000 They have the whole thing.
00:36:31.000 They have the passion for the sport.
00:36:34.000 They have this insane dedication.
00:36:35.000 And they also have incredible talent.
00:36:38.000 Those are the goats.
00:36:41.000 Yeah, those are the goats.
00:36:42.000 So I graduate high school, and I want to go back to the neighborhood.
00:36:47.000 I don't want to go to college, right?
00:36:49.000 Because for obvious reasons, I want to be around these guys, and I got this business that's doing great.
00:36:53.000 And a friend of mine says, because my mom moved to Ithaca, New York, to get me away from the neighborhood when they got divorced.
00:37:01.000 So a friend of mine in Ithaca says, why don't we go to Cornell?
00:37:04.000 Cornell's in Ithaca. 0.98
00:37:05.000 And I said, how the fuck would we go to Cornell? 1.00
00:37:07.000 My grades suck. 0.99
00:37:08.000 I'm not planning on going to college. 0.98
00:37:09.000 I got this business.
00:37:11.000 He said, my dad's a professor.
00:37:12.000 He'll get us in.
00:37:13.000 So coming from the neighborhood I came from, that made sense.
00:37:16.000 We got a guy that's going to get us into college.
00:37:18.000 So we both apply.
00:37:20.000 We do great in the application.
00:37:22.000 We do great in the interview.
00:37:23.000 Neither of us get in.
00:37:25.000 But now I'm interested, right?
00:37:27.000 When somebody pushes back and says, no, you're not allowed to come here, now you want in.
00:37:31.000 It wasn't even my intention to go to college, but now I want to go.
00:37:36.000 Because they said no, right? 0.92
00:37:38.000 So I say to him, and this ties to what you were just saying, I say to him, well, fuck, if we're going to do it, why don't I spend the summer going to St. John's in Queens while I'm doing my pool business and learn how to study? 0.97
00:37:52.000 Because I've never studied. 0.99
00:37:54.000 Buckle down, get serious, get disciplined.
00:37:57.000 He says, screw that, we're gonna go to Vegas.
00:38:00.000 Why don't we go to Vegas, give up your business, go to Vegas, we'll party all summer, and then we'll buckle down in September when we get here. 0.96
00:38:05.000 Why would we waste the summer?
00:38:07.000 This is our last summer.
00:38:09.000 So we diverge.
00:38:11.000 And I study, and I run my business, and he goes to Vegas.
00:38:13.000 And we both come back, and we reapply.
00:38:17.000 We do well that semester.
00:38:19.000 We're allowed to go, it's called extramural, allowed to take three classes, non-matriculated in the school, and then apply.
00:38:27.000 We both do it, and they don't accept us.
00:38:32.000 So he diverts, he goes to UNLV. And I stay, and I say, fuck this, I'm doing it again. 0.99
00:38:39.000 And I do it a second time, I do it a third time, finally fourth time. 1.00
00:38:42.000 They accept me and I pound my chest and I tell people this story, right?
00:38:44.000 Look how great I am.
00:38:45.000 I was disciplined unlike him who went to...
00:38:47.000 He became a giant medical marijuana guy. 0.98
00:38:52.000 And I'm fucking laying barbed wire for a living. 0.98
00:38:55.000 So maybe, maybe disciplining that guy, I don't know. 0.98
00:38:59.000 Well, you know, sometimes people find a path that suits their personality.
00:39:04.000 Like, oftentimes people confuse discipline with focus.
00:39:08.000 And this is why that's important.
00:39:10.000 There are things that... 0.95
00:39:14.000 Some people can excel at because they're focused on them and because they're drawn to it and they have an incredible passion for it Versus like you tell a guy like hey, you know You're gonna study to be an electrical engineer and it's like I don't want to be a fucking electrical engineer Well,
00:39:29.000 you gotta have discipline and so they don't have the drive and they don't they don't get excited about it and they don't do but if you tell that guy Whatever, you're gonna be a golfer, and he fucking loves golf, and he's practicing every day, and he becomes a professional golfer.
00:39:44.000 And you say, well, I thought that guy didn't have any discipline.
00:39:46.000 Well, it's not that he didn't have any discipline.
00:39:48.000 He's just not interested in that other thing.
00:39:51.000 I was never a disciplined kid, but I would find things that I loved, and I was obsessed.
00:39:57.000 And I always felt embarrassed by it, because people would say, oh, your son, like to my mom, Your son is so disciplined. 0.99
00:40:03.000 And she'd be like, my son's fucking crazy. 0.99
00:40:05.000 Like, he's not disciplined. 1.00
00:40:06.000 He finds these things and that's all he does all day long.
00:40:10.000 Like, it's not really disciplined.
00:40:11.000 Because he doesn't clean his room. 1.00
00:40:13.000 He's fucking lazy. 1.00
00:40:15.000 There's all sorts of shit he's supposed to do. 1.00
00:40:16.000 I never did my homework. 0.98
00:40:18.000 But if I had a thing that I was into, I was obsessed.
00:40:22.000 You were crazy about it.
00:40:23.000 But it would bother me that I didn't really have discipline.
00:40:26.000 Like, if I had jobs that I had to do, I didn't do a good job at them, like construction jobs that I had.
00:40:31.000 But when it came to martial arts...
00:40:33.000 How did you find those things, though?
00:40:34.000 How did you find those things?
00:40:35.000 Did you stumble upon them?
00:40:36.000 I just got lucky!
00:40:37.000 Martial arts, I just got lucky.
00:40:38.000 And it clicked with me, like, almost immediately.
00:40:41.000 I became obsessed.
00:40:43.000 You know, and I wanted to be...
00:40:45.000 I wanted to excel at it.
00:40:46.000 And so I was just doing it all day long.
00:40:48.000 And it was kind of stunning for my family, because they didn't even know I had that in me.
00:40:52.000 Like, they thought that I was just going to be this ne'er-do-well, you know, because I just really couldn't concentrate on these jobs that I would have.
00:40:57.000 I just...
00:40:58.000 I was bored.
00:40:59.000 But when I wasn't bored, I was very excited by things.
00:41:03.000 I think, for whatever reason, whether it's my genetics or my upbringing, I just had a very weird personality that didn't fit in with normal...
00:41:12.000 Like, I was allergic to the idea of having a nine-to-five.
00:41:15.000 I've never been in an office.
00:41:17.000 I've never worked in a place where I was around a bunch of people.
00:41:20.000 Never.
00:41:21.000 Never had one.
00:41:22.000 I used to deliver newspapers.
00:41:23.000 I worked on construction sites.
00:41:25.000 I drove limos.
00:41:26.000 And then I became a comic.
00:41:27.000 And I taught Taekwondo along the way.
00:41:29.000 But that's it.
00:41:30.000 I luckily dodged that bullet.
00:41:32.000 But that was the fear. 0.96
00:41:33.000 There was something in me that was like, I can't fucking do that. 0.97
00:41:36.000 I would go to visit my mom at work. 0.98
00:41:38.000 I would see people that were working in an office. 0.98
00:41:40.000 I'm like, I can't fucking do that. 0.98
00:41:42.000 Do this. 0.99
00:41:42.000 It just repulsed you. 0.99
00:41:43.000 It was like I was in a sewer.
00:41:45.000 I'd be in there.
00:41:46.000 I'd be like, I gotta get out of here. 0.99
00:41:47.000 These people, there's no fucking light in here. 0.99
00:41:49.000 They're all wearing ties. 0.99
00:41:51.000 They're all wearing slippery-soled shoes.
00:41:53.000 And you gotta listen to this jack-off who's in the corner office. 1.00
00:41:56.000 Like, what the fuck kind of life is this? 1.00
00:41:58.000 It just felt constricting. 1.00
00:42:00.000 Like, there was no oxygen.
00:42:02.000 Like, I had to get out of the room.
00:42:04.000 You have ADD? I'm sure I have it.
00:42:07.000 100%.
00:42:07.000 I don't have it.
00:42:08.000 I don't know if it's real, though.
00:42:09.000 I don't know what that means.
00:42:11.000 Well, I read a great book.
00:42:12.000 It's called The Edison Gene.
00:42:15.000 And I've never been clinically diagnosed, but I definitely have it.
00:42:19.000 I think I probably have it.
00:42:21.000 And so he argues, the author argues in the Edison gene that really it's not a thing.
00:42:28.000 What it is is a hunter-gatherer gene that's a remnant gene.
00:42:32.000 He says we're all hunter-gatherers.
00:42:33.000 And as a hunter-gatherer, we have to scan the environment.
00:42:36.000 We're looking for threats.
00:42:37.000 We're looking for things to eat.
00:42:39.000 And so you're all over the place.
00:42:41.000 But then when that deer comes out, you're on.
00:42:45.000 Martial arts, and you were on, right?
00:42:48.000 But otherwise, you're kind of scanning the environment, and you're not really interested, and then you're interested.
00:42:52.000 And then we became an agrarian society.
00:42:55.000 And now we're planting seeds, and we're sitting there drinking coffee, and we got the suits on, right?
00:43:00.000 And we're a little more proper.
00:43:02.000 But some people still have that hunter-gatherer gene. 1.00
00:43:05.000 And you're like, I don't want to fucking sit around and wait for shit to grow. 1.00
00:43:09.000 I want to make shit happen. 0.99
00:43:10.000 I want to go after stuff. 0.98
00:43:12.000 So that's his argument, and I suspect That's what you're talking about.
00:43:17.000 Well, see, here's where I diverge there because I think gathering and farming and stuff is kind of exciting.
00:43:24.000 Like growing things and watching food come out of the ground and processing that food or, you know, harvesting that food and then eating it.
00:43:31.000 Like eating a salad that you grew yourself is just something very rewarding.
00:43:35.000 A thousand percent agree with that.
00:43:36.000 Very rewarding about that.
00:43:37.000 But sitting still.
00:43:38.000 Right.
00:43:38.000 That's not rewarding.
00:43:39.000 What's not rewarding to me is being compliant to a bunch of other people where you've got some weird rigid rules and you're under fluorescent lighting and you're in some strange environment that's not natural.
00:43:51.000 What I think is the people that adapt to that world, that 9 to 5 world, are more compliant.
00:43:57.000 They're more willing.
00:43:59.000 German.
00:43:59.000 Japanese.
00:44:00.000 Yeah, maybe in some way, but I don't know.
00:44:02.000 Those tendencies.
00:44:02.000 I don't know whether it's cultural, but there's something about the human beings that are willing to do that office work, that are willing to go and abide by the rules of human resources.
00:44:15.000 I have none of that in me.
00:44:18.000 To me, that's like death.
00:44:21.000 Here's the question, though.
00:44:22.000 People that are listening to this.
00:44:24.000 I found, I don't know if you agree with this, there were a ton of kids along the way growing up as I was building my business that would say, oh, I'm not into this.
00:44:33.000 I'm not into that.
00:44:34.000 Kind of like you described yourself.
00:44:36.000 And they don't do anything because they're looking for that thing.
00:44:39.000 And I would argue, do something. 0.98
00:44:42.000 Do fucking something until you find that thing. 0.99
00:44:45.000 I've never been that kid, though. 0.99
00:44:47.000 I've always been into things.
00:44:48.000 I was into art or I was into something.
00:44:51.000 I always found things that I was interested in, just none of them seemed like they were normal things that other people wanted to do for a living.
00:44:57.000 Like the path, like a career path.
00:44:59.000 But I think that there's a lot of people that don't have any...
00:45:04.000 There's no one...
00:45:05.000 They're not modeling...
00:45:07.000 Their life after someone that they see that they admire.
00:45:10.000 Someone that's successful, someone that is doing something that they enjoy and love.
00:45:14.000 Sometimes kids have to see that. 1.00
00:45:16.000 And if their parents are living a bullshit life, and their neighbors are living a bullshit life, and most of their family lives a bullshit life, they just fucking lay around, you know? 1.00
00:45:26.000 And then they seek refuge in drugs, or video games, or something that stimulates them. 1.00
00:45:31.000 And video games are a real problem.
00:45:33.000 They're a real problem.
00:45:34.000 You know why? 0.99
00:45:35.000 Because they're fucking fun. 1.00
00:45:37.000 Addictive. 1.00
00:45:38.000 Yeah.
00:45:38.000 Well, I have a real problem with them.
00:45:40.000 And you do them, and they're real exciting, but you don't get anywhere.
00:45:45.000 Right.
00:45:45.000 It's like you could do, like martial arts, right?
00:45:47.000 You could learn jujitsu.
00:45:49.000 You get obsessed by jiu-jitsu.
00:45:51.000 And then three years later, you're like an elite jiu-jitsu athlete.
00:45:56.000 You're entering in competitions.
00:45:57.000 You're a purple belt.
00:45:58.000 You're moving up.
00:45:59.000 Yeah, you're doing well.
00:46:00.000 You're thinking like, I might be able to open my own school one day.
00:46:02.000 You got confidence.
00:46:03.000 Yeah, if I have 100 students and those 100 students are paying me X amount of dollars per month, I can make a living. 0.99
00:46:08.000 Holy shit, this would be amazing. 0.90
00:46:10.000 And then you see your jiu-jitsu school... 0.99
00:46:13.000 And your jiu-jitsu instructor has all these students and drives a Mercedes and he's got a nice family and like, that's the future.
00:46:19.000 This way you're doing something exciting and fun and you don't... 0.99
00:46:22.000 Or you could just be playing fucking video games. 0.99
00:46:24.000 Three years later you could be that same kid just playing video games waiting for the next whatever the fuck game is, you know, next Xbox game to come out and you're gonna waste your time. 1.00
00:46:35.000 You have children. 0.99
00:46:37.000 I have children.
00:46:38.000 And it's a big battle in the house.
00:46:41.000 And my kids, I don't know if you're going through this, but my kids are now saying, well, Dad, this guy made all this money with this video game.
00:46:48.000 That's real, too.
00:46:49.000 That's real, too, now.
00:46:51.000 So, like, that's one in a billion, kid.
00:46:53.000 I don't know if it's one in a billion, but, you know...
00:46:57.000 Look, I heard the same argument about comedy.
00:47:00.000 My own parents were like, do you know how few people make it as a comedian?
00:47:03.000 I was like, okay.
00:47:04.000 Does anybody make it?
00:47:06.000 Somebody makes it, right?
00:47:07.000 They figure out how to do it?
00:47:08.000 They make a living?
00:47:08.000 I'm going to do that.
00:47:09.000 Just stop.
00:47:10.000 I know what I'm doing.
00:47:11.000 I was real lucky that my parents were not around very much, so I didn't get much advice.
00:47:15.000 So I figured it out myself.
00:47:18.000 So there was no one telling me I couldn't do it.
00:47:21.000 Greenfields.
00:47:22.000 Yeah, I was like, I'm going to find my way through this, and since no one's telling me it's impossible, no one's telling me I can't, occasionally I would hear someone say, what are the odds? 0.99
00:47:31.000 I'm like, listen to this fucking loser. 1.00
00:47:33.000 My thought was always like, that guy's a loser. 1.00
00:47:35.000 If you think like that, you're a loser. 1.00
00:47:37.000 But there are kids that make a lot of fucking money playing video games. 1.00
00:47:42.000 But the thing is, like, you have to be adaptable. 0.93
00:47:44.000 You have to be able to play multiple video games because the one video game that you get really good at, what are the odds that it's going to be around five years from now?
00:47:51.000 You know, like, what's the big one now?
00:47:53.000 Like, Fortnite?
00:47:54.000 Do they make money off of that? 0.75
00:47:55.000 Yeah.
00:47:56.000 Yeah?
00:47:56.000 And then there's Call of Duty.
00:47:59.000 They make money off that.
00:48:00.000 What's the big money?
00:48:02.000 StarCraft used to be the big one, right?
00:48:03.000 That, League of Legends, Counter-Strike.
00:48:07.000 Counter-Strike is still the Half-Life mod.
00:48:11.000 Variations of it have come out, but it's still basically the same exact game.
00:48:14.000 They don't make money off Quake, though, right?
00:48:16.000 Not really.
00:48:17.000 Nah, really.
00:48:18.000 One or two guys do, I think.
00:48:20.000 Yeah, see, you've got to pick the right game.
00:48:23.000 You could be obsessed with the wrong game.
00:48:25.000 What are you going to do to spend 5-10 hours a day in that house?
00:48:28.000 You have to.
00:48:28.000 You would have to.
00:48:30.000 I'd vomit if my...
00:48:32.000 Let's go down this road.
00:48:33.000 Can I read you?
00:48:34.000 Sure.
00:48:34.000 A text.
00:48:35.000 You're gonna die with this one. 0.82
00:48:37.000 Okay.
00:48:39.000 I, a month ago, about a month ago, I said, listen, school's out.
00:48:44.000 All the kids are playing video games.
00:48:46.000 I'm gonna hold a camp on the farm.
00:48:48.000 Kind of like what I did with the guy that was heavy.
00:48:51.000 I'm gonna invite friends and family's kids because nobody's gonna send me Kids that don't know me. 0.98
00:48:57.000 It's going to be a fucking badass camp. 0.99
00:48:59.000 14 days of hell. 0.99
00:49:00.000 No video games.
00:49:01.000 No phones. 0.99
00:49:01.000 And we are just going to crush these kids and turn them into little soldiers. 0.99
00:49:05.000 So I get... 0.89
00:49:06.000 How old are these kids you're talking about?
00:49:08.000 I had my 7-year-old daughter all the way up to an 18-year-old.
00:49:12.000 So I have 4 children.
00:49:13.000 So 7 to 18. Most of them 11 and 13. Now is this their idea or their parents' idea?
00:49:21.000 So I get...
00:49:23.000 I get the idea, and I reach out to a bunch of friends and family, and I said, I want to hold this camp, call it from the end of June through mid-July.
00:49:32.000 Who's in?
00:49:33.000 Who wants to send me their kids? 1.00
00:49:36.000 You're going to keep the kids there?
00:49:37.000 And I'm going to keep the kids on the farm.
00:49:39.000 I'm going to feed them.
00:49:40.000 It's on me, but I'm going to turn them into, you know, it'll be fun.
00:49:44.000 I'm embellishing a little bit when I use some of these words, like fun, and... 0.96
00:49:49.000 Really what I want to do is turn them into warriors and get them off their friggin' phones. 0.84
00:49:54.000 And selfishly, for me, selfishly, I want my kids to be, like, it's hard for me to do this to my kids alone, but if there's another 16 kids around, 18 kids around, everybody gets sucked up in the vortex, right? 0.67
00:50:07.000 So anyway, first day, unbeknownst to me, we left their phones in their rooms.
00:50:16.000 We're good to go.
00:50:37.000 I'm going to read you one.
00:50:38.000 But they're going non-stop.
00:50:40.000 And they eventually get to my wife.
00:50:43.000 She then immediately races to Vermont.
00:50:46.000 Like, what are you doing?
00:50:47.000 This is not even your business.
00:50:48.000 Why are you doing this?
00:50:49.000 People are going to hate us.
00:50:51.000 We can't do this.
00:50:53.000 We're...
00:50:54.000 So I'm fighting with her.
00:50:55.000 I'm fighting with the kids' parents.
00:50:57.000 Because now I'm five days in and I'm saying, listen, our four kids are going to finish.
00:51:02.000 The Decent of kids are going to finish this.
00:51:04.000 Well, what is it?
00:51:05.000 You set up a schedule?
00:51:06.000 So I got an Olympic wrestler living with us, a guy named Andy Rovat, who just happens to live with us, which is a story.
00:51:13.000 I've got...
00:51:15.000 A mountain warfare school veteran who's there in Vermont.
00:51:21.000 And I've got this woman we call the seed huntress. 0.97
00:51:23.000 So she's more like my mom, bohemian, this and that.
00:51:26.000 And those three people are going to provide expertise along with my insanity of, all right, we're going up and down the mountain.
00:51:31.000 We're carrying rocks.
00:51:31.000 We're going to nice cold water.
00:51:32.000 And we're going to run it like buds, basically.
00:51:35.000 The kids, the girls, and the boys, right?
00:51:37.000 So at the end of it, I get...
00:51:41.000 Texts from the parents that say, do you know, let me send you some of the texts I was receiving while you were there, Joe.
00:51:47.000 So this is the parent.
00:51:49.000 How's it going?
00:51:50.000 To his 15-year-old son.
00:51:52.000 Kid responds, awful.
00:51:54.000 Parent says, Joe said you're doing great.
00:51:56.000 Kid says, this might be the worst experience of my entire life.
00:51:59.000 It's literally like we're in the military.
00:52:02.000 Parent's not taking the bait.
00:52:04.000 Parent says, there's got to be something good about it.
00:52:07.000 Kid says, literally nothing.
00:52:09.000 The parent says, is it harder than a seven-minute Peloton ride? 0.99
00:52:11.000 Because he just won't take the fucking bait, right? 0.99
00:52:18.000 Kid says, Dad, you try carrying 35-pound rocks up and down the mountain all day. 0.99
00:52:24.000 Dad says, come on, no funny stories?
00:52:26.000 Kid says, when they get mad at us, they stick us in a freezing cold river until somebody cries.
00:52:32.000 No, and the counselors are terrible. 0.90
00:52:35.000 Dad says, what else did you do today?
00:52:40.000 That sounds like a dad who knows his son needs this.
00:52:44.000 Yeah, you know, and this is the right kind of dad.
00:52:47.000 I didn't have experience ever before dealing with parents that wouldn't let their kids struggle a little bit, right?
00:52:55.000 And so I happened to have a dad.
00:52:58.000 This dad didn't come after me.
00:53:00.000 The other parents were all coming after me, like, oh, we don't want psychological damage.
00:53:03.000 You should release the kids.
00:53:04.000 Your wife's got to come there and stop this. 1.00
00:53:07.000 Dad, I spent 45 minutes keeping my legs off the ground six inches today.
00:53:11.000 Dad says, it'll be great for your six-pack. 0.99
00:53:18.000 Kid says, Dad, this place sucks. 0.99
00:53:21.000 You never have enough water. 0.99
00:53:22.000 You never have enough food.
00:53:23.000 I almost passed out today.
00:53:24.000 Are you and mom hearing me? 1.00
00:53:26.000 Dad says, um, don't be a pussy. 1.00
00:53:29.000 Really? 1.00
00:53:30.000 Yeah.
00:53:30.000 Wow.
00:53:31.000 Kid says...
00:53:32.000 I like the dad.
00:53:33.000 Kid says, if you or mom spent one day in these conditions, you would both be dead.
00:53:39.000 Dad says, um, you need to embrace it.
00:53:42.000 Oh, boy.
00:53:43.000 Hang on, I'm going to read you the book. 1.00
00:53:44.000 Maybe the dad should have said, fuck you, I'll do it with you. 1.00
00:53:46.000 Well, it gets better, because at the end, I did have the parents come. 1.00
00:53:51.000 Dad finally says, do you want us to call Joe?
00:53:55.000 Well, call Joe, he'll lighten up on you.
00:53:57.000 Kid says, you clearly never met this guy. 0.99
00:54:00.000 He is a psychopath, okay? 1.00
00:54:02.000 This is an illegal camp run by a crazy person. 0.99
00:54:08.000 This is a 15-year-old kid who has tricked kids to come here to do farm work for him, manual labor, and he punishes us whenever he feels like it. 0.88
00:54:17.000 And if your mom were here, you would understand that.
00:54:19.000 You put your son in a dangerous situation, but instead you're sitting on a fancy couch in our home laughing at our son's serious health concerns.
00:54:28.000 Wow.
00:54:29.000 Needless to say, the kid thanked me at the end.
00:54:32.000 How long was he there for?
00:54:33.000 14 days.
00:54:35.000 Fourteen days in hell.
00:54:36.000 So he's five days in?
00:54:37.000 He's five days in.
00:54:38.000 And I could read, I got dozens.
00:54:40.000 How did he turn around in the next nine?
00:54:42.000 You know what?
00:54:43.000 Our message to them, well, we took the phones once I got the tip off, right?
00:54:47.000 We took the phones, and there was no way out.
00:54:49.000 And the message to them was, when you can't change your situation, you change yourself. 0.99
00:54:53.000 You're fucking stuck here. 0.99
00:54:54.000 Figure it out. 0.99
00:54:55.000 And what I just read to you makes it sound a lot worse than it actually was.
00:54:59.000 Well, he's probably being dramatic.
00:55:00.000 He was being dramatic, and it's hard work, but kids need it.
00:55:04.000 You're not getting that in the basement.
00:55:06.000 They need to understand that you can struggle and you can realize that sometimes when things are really hard to do, you think, oh my god, I've got to stop doing this.
00:55:15.000 But once you do it and you complete it, you have a satisfaction, this sense of satisfaction that you did something really difficult that is irreplaceable. 0.99
00:55:24.000 Some kids never get that and they just stay fat and stupid their whole life. 0.97
00:55:28.000 And some kids, they get these little lessons and then they realize like you can push yourself and you can get somewhere. 0.99
00:55:33.000 You know, some kids get real lucky and they get involved in sports.
00:55:37.000 Or martial arts early and one of the best benefits of sports is you realize that through hard work you get improvement through improvement You get success through success you get that big dopamine rush you get that good feeling you get confidence you get this knowledge Yeah, you get sometimes I didn't but you get this knowledge that you can do something That's difficult and you can overcome even though it feels like you can't I can't like that's one of the beautiful things about the belt system of martial arts you start off and As a beginner,
00:56:06.000 you start off as a white belt.
00:56:07.000 And then as things go on, you get a new belt and when your instructor takes your old belt off and ties your new one off, your new one on, you have this amazing feeling of accomplishment.
00:56:17.000 Like, wow!
00:56:18.000 And then you know that there's a goal.
00:56:20.000 At the end of the rainbow is a black belt. 1.00
00:56:21.000 Like, I might get to be a black belt someday.
00:56:24.000 It's gamified.
00:56:25.000 Yeah, it's real possible.
00:56:26.000 And then you know other people that do get their black belt and you're like, wow, what's it like?
00:56:31.000 Like, you know, you see people that are a little bit ahead of you in the race.
00:56:34.000 Like, this is incredible.
00:56:35.000 So you have people to model.
00:56:36.000 You have other successful people to model.
00:56:38.000 You see those black belts.
00:56:39.000 Yeah.
00:56:39.000 You see, disciplined people.
00:56:41.000 You know, when you talk about cold showers, when I was a kid, there was a black belt when I was just starting out. 1.00
00:56:46.000 His name was Bob Caffarella.
00:56:48.000 When I was a white belt, he was a black belt, and he was living at the school, and he would take... 0.66
00:56:51.000 We lived in Boston. 0.99
00:56:52.000 It was cold as fuck in the winter. 0.99
00:56:54.000 And this guy would take cold showers. 0.99
00:56:56.000 And we were all terrified of him anyway.
00:56:58.000 But he would get in that shower, and I just couldn't believe he could do it because it was so cold.
00:57:03.000 And this was after training, right?
00:57:05.000 You know, he would just get in there and just...
00:57:06.000 He wouldn't even budge.
00:57:07.000 Just sit there and breathe.
00:57:10.000 And I tried it one time. 1.00
00:57:11.000 I got in there, I turned that water on cold, I stepped in there and was like, fuck this! 0.99
00:57:14.000 And I got out and I ran into the locker room and everyone was laughing. 0.99
00:57:17.000 I was like, how is he doing that?
00:57:20.000 Another level.
00:57:21.000 But some people, you learn from them.
00:57:24.000 You see these people that can over...
00:57:26.000 Now I take regular cold showers.
00:57:27.000 Now I do cryotherapy.
00:57:29.000 I get in 250 degrees below zero and I stand there for three minutes.
00:57:32.000 I wait 10 minutes.
00:57:33.000 I go back in there again.
00:57:34.000 You learn how to overcome.
00:57:36.000 You learn how to deal with them.
00:57:38.000 You learn you wouldn't die.
00:57:39.000 You also learn that it's not that bad.
00:57:43.000 It's an opportunity to go inward.
00:57:47.000 It's an opportunity to focus your energy and your thoughts on the deepest aspects, the deepest center of your mind and think about your breathing and think about that.
00:57:59.000 And don't think about the fact, oh my god, it's so cold.
00:58:01.000 Oh my god, it's so hot.
00:58:03.000 I'm an dishonest.
00:58:04.000 I've got to get out of there.
00:58:05.000 Instead of thinking about that, just think about your breathing.
00:58:07.000 Just go deep.
00:58:09.000 Close your eyes.
00:58:10.000 Go deep to the center of your mind and stay there.
00:58:13.000 Just stay there.
00:58:15.000 Quiet down.
00:58:15.000 Yeah, you learn.
00:58:16.000 You learn how to do that.
00:58:17.000 Or you don't.
00:58:18.000 Or you stay fat. 1.00
00:58:19.000 You stay stupid. 1.00
00:58:20.000 You stay lazy. 1.00
00:58:20.000 You don't do anything. 1.00
00:58:21.000 Maybe you never had that chance.
00:58:23.000 Maybe, right?
00:58:24.000 And that's why I wanted the kids there because they'll never get that.
00:58:27.000 Like you said, if they're not in a sport or whatever.
00:58:30.000 Right. 0.57
00:58:30.000 When all these texts were coming in and my wife wanted to divorce me and all this shit was happening just three or four weeks ago, I got in touch with a neurosurgeon and I said, would you talk to the kids? 0.57
00:58:40.000 And the neurosurgeon said, which I didn't know, you probably know this, he said, kids, when you take on something hard, it could be a cold shower, it could be this 14-day crazy camp with Joe, the belt system, if you don't finish it, it leaves a physical gap in the brain. 0.84
00:58:55.000 Literally, we could see as a neurosurgeon that the wires are unconnected because you never finished it.
00:59:00.000 But when you finish it, it leaves like train tracks.
00:59:03.000 And so the more tracks you could lay, like you were laying them as you were getting the belt system, right?
00:59:08.000 The advantage, you're going to have an advantage over your competitors.
00:59:11.000 So I thought that was interesting. 1.00
00:59:13.000 Like, kids need to do hard shit. 1.00
00:59:15.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:59:15.000 And they need to finish what they start. 0.99
00:59:17.000 I think adults do, too.
00:59:17.000 I think adults do, too.
00:59:18.000 Oh, we all do.
00:59:18.000 I think everybody does.
00:59:19.000 But kids need to learn it, you know?
00:59:21.000 And many kids today don't learn it.
00:59:23.000 You know, it's...
00:59:25.000 Sad.
00:59:26.000 It is sad.
00:59:27.000 And I think sports are really the best way for kids to learn it.
00:59:30.000 Sports are the best way because there's something about physical pursuits where you have to motivate.
00:59:37.000 The mind has to force the body to plow through discomfort.
00:59:41.000 It's a different kind of mental strength.
00:59:44.000 There's mental strength in terms of your ability to sit down and be disciplined and study and do homework assignments and complete projects and do complex problems and problem solving.
00:59:55.000 There's mental strength in that, too. 0.99
00:59:57.000 But there's also the strength of the mind telling the body who the fucking boss is. 0.99
01:00:03.000 Like, no, no, no. 0.99
01:00:04.000 I love that sentence.
01:00:05.000 That's what it is. 1.00
01:00:06.000 You're like, no, bitch. 1.00
01:00:07.000 Your body's like, we gotta stop. 1.00
01:00:09.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:00:10.000 We're doing this. 1.00
01:00:11.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:00:12.000 It's almost like you have to have two people in your brain. 1.00
01:00:14.000 You have to have this general, and you have to have a soldier. 1.00
01:00:16.000 And the general's like, listen, motherfucker. 1.00
01:00:19.000 We know what we're doing here. 1.00
01:00:20.000 We're gonna get this done.
01:00:21.000 This is what we're doing today. 1.00
01:00:23.000 You got a list of shit on that paper. 0.99
01:00:25.000 It's gotta get done. 0.99
01:00:26.000 It's 98 degrees outside, and you're gonna do it out here in the sun.
01:00:29.000 You got plenty of water.
01:00:30.000 Let's go.
01:00:32.000 I agree with that.
01:00:33.000 CT, obviously, people like that have that.
01:00:36.000 Well, he's the one, we should tell everybody, he's the one who brought us together, CT Fletcher.
01:00:39.000 He's a good man.
01:00:40.000 He also broke your kettlebell.
01:00:41.000 He also broke my kettlebell today.
01:00:43.000 He threw your kettlebell and you had to get it welded today.
01:00:45.000 Literally, I show up at his place this morning to get some advice.
01:00:49.000 I'm going to be talking to Joe Rogan.
01:00:51.000 You've met him.
01:00:52.000 Can you give me some advice?
01:00:53.000 He grabs the kettlebell, throws it like a tennis ball. 0.99
01:00:56.000 It's pretty hard to throw this thing like a fucking tennis ball. 1.00
01:00:58.000 He's a tank. 1.00
01:00:58.000 Breaks it. 1.00
01:00:59.000 Thank God there's a welding shove.
01:01:00.000 Because you had said to me in a text, hey, make sure you bring the kettlebell. 0.98
01:01:03.000 So I'm like, I'm going to show up with a broken fucking kettlebell. 0.94
01:01:05.000 Well, it would be a funny story if you showed up with a broken one, but it's cool that you got it welded. 0.99
01:01:09.000 No, but he's a general and a soldier. 0.64
01:01:11.000 He's an animal.
01:01:12.000 Well, CT is one of the most inspirational people online and one of the most inspirational people I've ever met.
01:01:18.000 And if you watch any of his videos, he's a special person.
01:01:25.000 And really, you want to talk about a guy who's gone through a journey after open heart surgery and having his heart replaced.
01:01:31.000 Now he has a new person's heart.
01:01:33.000 I still think he doesn't know whose heart it is, right?
01:01:36.000 He said he thought it was an Asian woman.
01:01:38.000 Yeah, he told me elderly woman I got from him.
01:01:40.000 Which is crazy.
01:01:41.000 It's crazy, knowing the size of his biceps.
01:01:44.000 Yeah.
01:01:45.000 The workout he puts me this morning, he says, we're going to do this, what the hell did he call it?
01:01:50.000 Random selection.
01:01:51.000 Get on the tricep pushdown, which I don't do.
01:01:54.000 I do bodyweight stuff.
01:01:55.000 And I'm just going to just decide, Joe, every 10 reps, what weight I'm changing it to.
01:02:00.000 And he just kept changing, changing.
01:02:01.000 We get to 100 reps.
01:02:02.000 My triceps are on fire.
01:02:04.000 He said, just so you know, when I was training to be world champion, I would start with 300 reps as a warmup.
01:02:10.000 So he's just an animal. 0.94
01:02:12.000 Yeah, his arms are ridiculous, still to this day. 0.99
01:02:15.000 He thinks he's lost muscle size. 0.99
01:02:17.000 I'm like, how do you know how fucking big your arms are? 0.99
01:02:20.000 He's a big boy. 0.99
01:02:21.000 He's enormous.
01:02:22.000 And when he was younger, he was really enormous.
01:02:24.000 But he had a terrible diet, unfortunately.
01:02:28.000 Burger King or McDonald's and the fries.
01:02:30.000 A lot of shakes. 1.00
01:02:31.000 Fries and shakes and just a lot of sugar and nonsense and bullshit. 1.00
01:02:35.000 When he was powerlifting, when he was enormous, he was just eating whatever the fuck you felt like eating. 1.00
01:02:42.000 Getting after it. 0.99
01:02:43.000 You're a hunter.
01:02:44.000 Yeah.
01:02:45.000 So I got a hunting story.
01:02:46.000 Okay.
01:02:47.000 So I'm not a farm boy at all, but I meet my wife, like I said, 2000. We buy the farm in Vermont.
01:02:55.000 Why did you decide to buy a farm in Vermont?
01:02:58.000 Where were you living at the time?
01:03:00.000 We'll go back.
01:03:00.000 So I built the swimming pool business, turned into a little bit of a construction company, somehow fight my way, graduate college, and meet a guy at Cornell who says, what are you doing when you graduate?
01:03:12.000 I said, I'm going back to the neighborhood. 1.00
01:03:13.000 And he says, well, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00
01:03:14.000 He goes, you got to go to Wall Street. 1.00
01:03:16.000 I don't know anything about Wall Street.
01:03:18.000 I remember the 87 crash.
01:03:19.000 I figured people don't make money there anymore.
01:03:21.000 He says, it's just like the neighborhood, only they do it with a pen instead of a gun.
01:03:25.000 You gotta go to Wall Street.
01:03:27.000 So he pushes me there, and I land on Wall Street.
01:03:31.000 I get a job.
01:03:31.000 I eventually build a business.
01:03:33.000 I had a nice run.
01:03:35.000 Just like you, I didn't want to be at a desk.
01:03:38.000 I didn't like it.
01:03:39.000 I didn't feel good.
01:03:40.000 I started to gain weight.
01:03:42.000 The folks around me, we were making a lot of money, but folks had psychological problems I couldn't fix.
01:03:47.000 Like, I can't believe John next to me got $50,000 more bonus than I did.
01:03:53.000 We're making more money than we deserve. 1.00
01:03:55.000 Are you fucking crazy? 1.00
01:03:56.000 Are you kidding me? 1.00
01:03:57.000 Right?
01:03:58.000 They had problems I couldn't fix.
01:03:59.000 So I was dying to get out of there.
01:04:01.000 I had a picture of a red barn on my desk.
01:04:03.000 I just wanted to go to a farm.
01:04:05.000 I don't know why.
01:04:06.000 I just wanted to leave.
01:04:08.000 Sold the business.
01:04:10.000 Found a farm in Vermont.
01:04:11.000 Covered bridge, idyllic, the whole thing.
01:04:13.000 And meet my wife.
01:04:15.000 And we buy this farm.
01:04:17.000 And got a tractor.
01:04:20.000 How long have you been doing this?
01:04:22.000 So 20 years ago.
01:04:25.000 Bought the farm.
01:04:26.000 And then...
01:04:27.000 And you just decide Vermont?
01:04:29.000 On what?
01:04:30.000 Vermont's gorgeous.
01:04:31.000 I didn't know anything.
01:04:32.000 I knew Queens. 0.95
01:04:34.000 My wife, the girl I met was from Boston.
01:04:37.000 If you're in Queens, you know Connecticut.
01:04:39.000 I didn't really know Vermont.
01:04:41.000 I'd skied in Vermont.
01:04:42.000 You probably skied in Vermont.
01:04:44.000 I never have.
01:04:45.000 I did some gigs up there, though, when I was doing stand-up.
01:04:49.000 It's beautiful. 0.99
01:04:50.000 It's cold as fuck. 1.00
01:04:51.000 It's cold as fuck. 1.00
01:04:52.000 And so we had gone on a date, my wife and I, to a friend in Idaho. 0.99
01:04:58.000 We went out to Idaho for like a snowshoeing thing.
01:05:00.000 And on the way back, I saw this real estate magazine in the plane, and it had homes and ranches in Jackson Hole, which you got to be pretty wealthy to buy anything in Jackson Hole.
01:05:10.000 20 million, 25, crazy numbers.
01:05:12.000 There was one ad in that magazine that said, farmhouse in Vermont, covered bridge, mountain, horses, 420 grand.
01:05:22.000 I was like, wow, I gotta go to Vermont.
01:05:25.000 She's in Boston.
01:05:26.000 I'm in New York. 0.99
01:05:27.000 It's a lot cheaper than fucking Jackson Hole. 0.97
01:05:30.000 No one's up there too. 0.98
01:05:31.000 No one's up there.
01:05:33.000 So we bought the place and we settled in.
01:05:37.000 Sold the business in New York and started making kids.
01:05:40.000 I bought some Scottish Highlander cows and started to learn.
01:05:44.000 So those are those weird hairy cows? 0.93
01:05:45.000 The big hairy cows, the big horns, epic looking.
01:05:48.000 Why'd you get those?
01:05:49.000 They're beautiful.
01:05:50.000 They're just gorgeous.
01:05:51.000 Just for that reason?
01:05:51.000 Yeah, no reason.
01:05:52.000 There's like woolly mammoths.
01:05:53.000 Just want to have cool looking cows? 1.00
01:05:54.000 Yeah, like everybody's got a regular cow.
01:05:55.000 Let's get these cows. 1.00
01:05:57.000 How did you get those? 0.99
01:05:58.000 I just talked to a guy, to another guy, and he sent five fucking Scottish Islanders. 0.99
01:06:03.000 Then we had goats and chickens. 0.99
01:06:05.000 And trying to figure it all out.
01:06:07.000 One day the chickens came.
01:06:08.000 The chickens come in a post office.
01:06:09.000 They deliver them.
01:06:10.000 Yeah, I used to have chickens.
01:06:12.000 What do you do with them, right?
01:06:13.000 I got 155 chickens.
01:06:14.000 You got 150?
01:06:16.000 Oh, wow.
01:06:17.000 That's a lot of eggs, bro.
01:06:18.000 That's a lot of eggs. 0.63
01:06:19.000 Did you get roosters too? 0.50
01:06:21.000 I got roosters. 0.99
01:06:22.000 I didn't know what the fuck I was doing, right? 0.99
01:06:25.000 Just order more animals. 0.98
01:06:27.000 I don't know, right?
01:06:28.000 We're a farm.
01:06:29.000 You're supposed to have animals.
01:06:30.000 So anyway, I'm doing all this work to the farm.
01:06:34.000 I'm fixing up the old structures and stuff.
01:06:36.000 And I need somebody to do excavation because the winter's coming.
01:06:41.000 And we're going to flood the basement if I don't...
01:06:44.000 Change the elevation of land a little bit.
01:06:46.000 Get the water to run away when it snows.
01:06:48.000 But I can't find anybody to do excavation because they're telling me it's hunting season.
01:06:52.000 And I don't hunt.
01:06:53.000 I don't know anything about hunting. 0.99
01:06:55.000 And I said, somebody's got to want a fucking job in Queens. 0.99
01:06:58.000 Somebody's looking for work. 0.99
01:07:00.000 Got to find somebody.
01:07:01.000 So a guy says to me, look, I'll rent you an excavator, a machine, and I think I got a guy that'll not go hunting, and he'll run the machine.
01:07:10.000 One guy.
01:07:11.000 One guy.
01:07:12.000 So I said, all right, send them to me.
01:07:13.000 So I rent the machine. 0.99
01:07:15.000 Fuck, I can't remember his name, but... 0.99
01:07:18.000 I'll remember his name. 1.00
01:07:19.000 But anyway, he's operating the machine.
01:07:21.000 It's a true story.
01:07:22.000 This is going to sound... 0.99
01:07:23.000 This story is going to be fucking crazy. 0.99
01:07:25.000 This is a Quentin Tarantino movie. 0.97
01:07:27.000 So the carpentry work on all the things I'm fixing up are done by some Slovakians that a guy sent me. 0.99
01:07:34.000 I've got four Slovakians doing carpentry work in the background.
01:07:38.000 I've now got Jeff is his name.
01:07:39.000 I've got this guy, Jeff, that's running the excavator.
01:07:41.000 My wife just gave birth to our first child.
01:07:46.000 On the farm.
01:07:47.000 And we're like three weeks in with our first new baby.
01:07:50.000 My mother-in-law is coming over to watch the baby.
01:07:55.000 And my wife and I are going to go to dinner for the first time in a while.
01:07:58.000 We're going to be able to get out of the house.
01:07:59.000 Slovakians doing carpentry.
01:08:01.000 Jeff doing excavation.
01:08:02.000 Mom's going to watch the baby. 1.00
01:08:03.000 We're going to dinner.
01:08:05.000 Pull up in front of the house.
01:08:06.000 5 p.m.
01:08:07.000 I'm going to grab my wife. 1.00
01:08:08.000 Jeff, the excavator, runs out to the front and sees me sweating profusely.
01:08:13.000 I said, what's up? 1.00
01:08:14.000 He said, motherfucker, he's pacing back and forth. 1.00
01:08:16.000 He says, you didn't let me go hunting. 1.00
01:08:19.000 He goes, I've hunted my whole life.
01:08:21.000 Okay, get out with it.
01:08:23.000 I gotta get my wife. 1.00
01:08:24.000 I'm going to dinner.
01:08:25.000 He said, I couldn't help myself.
01:08:26.000 I was operating the machine in the backyard and a deer ran by. 0.99
01:08:29.000 I fucking jumped off the machine. 1.00
01:08:31.000 I tackled it and killed it with a handsaw. 1.00
01:08:34.000 What? 0.97
01:08:35.000 Okay, so again, I'm just telling you what he told me.
01:08:39.000 What?
01:08:40.000 So what's the problem?
01:08:42.000 Assuming the story is true, why are you sweating?
01:08:44.000 I didn't tell you.
01:08:45.000 I'm on probation.
01:08:46.000 Hunting season ended yesterday.
01:08:47.000 If somebody sees, the deer's not tagged.
01:08:49.000 I don't know what any of this means.
01:08:51.000 I'm going to get arrested.
01:08:52.000 I'm going to bury the deer in the backyard.
01:08:55.000 I said, dude, I said...
01:08:57.000 You killed a deer with a handsaw?
01:08:59.000 With a handsaw.
01:09:00.000 So later on, the story from the locals said if that happened, the deer was probably wounded and hunting season just ended.
01:09:09.000 It was probably moving slow if he did that.
01:09:13.000 But you're going to love the story.
01:09:14.000 It gets more interesting.
01:09:16.000 I'm gonna bury it in the backyard. 1.00
01:09:18.000 Don't bury the fucking deer. 1.00
01:09:19.000 I gotta take my wife to dinner. 1.00
01:09:20.000 Put it in the bucket of the backhoe, right?
01:09:23.000 Lift it up off the ground.
01:09:24.000 I'll call a neighbor.
01:09:26.000 I'm sure nobody caught a deer.
01:09:28.000 That's to show you how much I know about, right?
01:09:30.000 Caught a deer, right?
01:09:31.000 People say that all the time.
01:09:32.000 Right?
01:09:32.000 Nobody caught a deer.
01:09:34.000 They'll want one.
01:09:35.000 I'll just give it away.
01:09:37.000 Wife gets in the car, I'm driving to dinner, and I call Dave Fisher.
01:09:42.000 I'm remembering the name, my neighbor.
01:09:43.000 And I said, hey, Dave, I got a deer in the bucket on my backhoe.
01:09:47.000 You know, I'm not going to get into how it got there.
01:09:50.000 Yeah, I'll get it.
01:09:50.000 I said, well, it's a pretty warm night.
01:09:52.000 Should you get it now?
01:09:53.000 No, I'll get it in the morning.
01:09:55.000 Perfect.
01:09:56.000 Problem solved.
01:09:57.000 Go to dinner with my wife, come back, go to bed, wake up in the morning, no deer in the backhoe.
01:10:04.000 Everything's great.
01:10:05.000 I go to the general store.
01:10:06.000 There's only one general store in our town.
01:10:07.000 It's the only place to eat.
01:10:09.000 Go into the general store, and the manager of the general store says, Hey, Joe, you want some venison for lunch?
01:10:14.000 I said, How is there venison?
01:10:17.000 Never have venison.
01:10:18.000 He says, You never believe it.
01:10:19.000 He says, Late last night, the Slovakians were done doing the carpentry. 0.99
01:10:23.000 They walked past the backhoe. 1.00
01:10:24.000 They found a dead deer in the fucking backhoe. 1.00
01:10:26.000 They dragged it here a mile. 1.00
01:10:28.000 They dragged it to the general store, gutted it, and it's now in the freezer.
01:10:34.000 I said, this is not even believable. 1.00
01:10:35.000 This fucking story is crazy. 0.99
01:10:38.000 I said, I don't want any venison. 1.00
01:10:40.000 And if Dave Fisher, the neighbor, happens to come in, do not tell him about this.
01:10:44.000 Because now I don't know the law with this, right?
01:10:47.000 You're supposed to have a tagged deer, not tagged deer.
01:10:50.000 Fast forward.
01:10:52.000 It's now Christmas time, right?
01:10:54.000 Hunting season was November.
01:10:55.000 It's now Christmas time.
01:10:56.000 And I am stuck in New York during a snowstorm.
01:11:01.000 I call a car service that I used to use when I was on Wall Street.
01:11:04.000 There are a bunch of Turkish guys.
01:11:06.000 They speak with very little English.
01:11:09.000 Do you want to drive me up to Vermont?
01:11:10.000 It's like a five-hour drive with a snowstorm.
01:11:12.000 It might be eight hours.
01:11:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:11:13.000 Tony will take you.
01:11:15.000 Drives me up.
01:11:16.000 We're 15 minutes from the farm.
01:11:19.000 He says, Joe, anywhere to get any deer?
01:11:21.000 Up here. 0.99
01:11:22.000 I said, I can't even believe this fucking guy's asking me this. 0.99
01:11:24.000 I said, go to the general store. 0.99
01:11:25.000 Go see the manager.
01:11:26.000 There's deer.
01:11:27.000 He'll cut you a piece.
01:11:30.000 Again, I don't know.
01:11:33.000 A week later, it's Christmas.
01:11:34.000 It's the only time the Slovakians take off. 1.00
01:11:36.000 They're taking two weeks off.
01:11:38.000 They surround me in my garage.
01:11:40.000 They don't speak English.
01:11:42.000 I called my friend in New York.
01:11:43.000 I said, you've got to translate.
01:11:59.000 Oh, boy. 1.00
01:12:03.000 Fucking crazy story. 0.99
01:12:04.000 I gave the address of the Turkish guy to the Slovakians. 1.00
01:12:09.000 I never heard from the Turkish guy again.
01:12:12.000 I have no idea.
01:12:13.000 I probably shouldn't be saying it on the largest podcast in the world.
01:12:16.000 The Slovakian guys went after the Turkish guy for one deer.
01:12:20.000 For one deer.
01:12:21.000 That's my only hunting story ever.
01:12:23.000 So you told the guy he could have a piece of deer and he told... 0.99
01:12:26.000 Took the hoofs, the fucking head, everything. 1.00
01:12:28.000 Oh boy. 1.00
01:12:31.000 And they had dragged it a mile to the store from the backhoe.
01:12:34.000 And what about the neighbor who you told it was in the backhoe?
01:12:37.000 Dave Fisher never asked again.
01:12:40.000 Dave Fisher never asked again.
01:12:42.000 Jeff, the operator, never to be seen again.
01:12:45.000 The guy who killed it.
01:12:46.000 Never to be seen again.
01:12:47.000 I don't buy that store. 0.99
01:12:49.000 Unless it was really fucked up. 0.99
01:12:50.000 There's no way you're catching a deer with your bare hands. 0.99
01:12:53.000 Which is what the locals said.
01:12:54.000 It was probably shot.
01:12:55.000 It was probably wounded.
01:12:57.000 The only time that could happen is if the animal's in the rut.
01:13:00.000 Sometimes when they're in the rut, the males go so crazy that there's a video, it's a crazy video, of a guy is in a blind, he's in a hunting blind, and this buck is so out of it that he actually taps his antlers with the arrow.
01:13:15.000 He's got an arrow in his hand, he taps him, like tap, tap, and the buck's like... 0.99
01:13:19.000 He's just so out of it, because they're so horny, they lose their fucking mind. 0.99
01:13:23.000 It's very rare that they behave like this, but they could work themselves up into such a frenzy that they're hallucinating. 1.00
01:13:31.000 They don't know what the fuck's going on. 0.99
01:13:32.000 They're not scared of danger. 1.00
01:13:33.000 Maybe it was a very horny deer. 0.97
01:13:34.000 They get really crazy, but I doubt it that this guy's going to kill it with a handsaw. 0.99
01:13:39.000 He sounds crazy. 0.96
01:13:41.000 The whole thing was crazy.
01:13:42.000 The whole thing doesn't make any sense.
01:13:45.000 A hunter wouldn't...
01:13:46.000 You're not bloodthirsty like you're gonna jump on a deer with a saw. 1.00
01:13:50.000 You use a goddamn rifle. 1.00
01:13:52.000 And the fact that this guy waited till the day after hunting season was over and knew it and still killed it with a saw? 1.00
01:13:58.000 That doesn't make any sense.
01:14:00.000 None of it makes any sense.
01:14:01.000 Yeah, that's why it would be a good movie.
01:14:03.000 It would be a good Coen Brothers movie.
01:14:05.000 It would be a good Coen Brothers movie.
01:14:06.000 Yeah.
01:14:07.000 That would be a good movie.
01:14:08.000 Well, I bet a place like Vermont, you get a lot of those sort of Coen Brothers movies.
01:14:13.000 It's very Funny Farm.
01:14:14.000 Remember Funny Farm?
01:14:15.000 No.
01:14:16.000 There was a movie with Chevy Chase where he lived in Vermont.
01:14:20.000 Oh, that was Vermont too?
01:14:21.000 Cue the deer.
01:14:22.000 Remember that?
01:14:23.000 How do people feel about Bernie Sanders up there?
01:14:26.000 I mean, it's very divided.
01:14:28.000 There's the third-generation Vermonter, hard-working farmer, and then there's all the New York, New Jersey, Boston transplants, very hippy, crunchy.
01:14:38.000 And those are the ones like Bernie Sanders.
01:14:40.000 They love Bernie.
01:14:41.000 And I've got to be careful what I say.
01:14:46.000 But I would say this.
01:14:48.000 I don't know what your feeling is on this, but I would say it's much better when people work for a living.
01:14:55.000 Yeah, I think it is too.
01:14:56.000 Yeah.
01:14:57.000 No, I definitely think it's much better when people work for a living.
01:14:59.000 I think what Bernie wants is people to earn a living wage for their work.
01:15:03.000 I think there's a lot of misconceptions about what he wants.
01:15:06.000 I don't think he wants to give people free money.
01:15:09.000 I think he wants people to be able to earn a living and he thinks that there's a lot of greedy Wall Street people that are essentially stealing money.
01:15:17.000 We were definitely overpaid for our job, no doubt about it.
01:15:21.000 I mean, the whole place is crazy.
01:15:23.000 So I agree with that.
01:15:24.000 But the other side of it, I think there's always the pendulum swings too far.
01:15:28.000 The other side of it is in Vermont, and again, I'm going to piss a ton of people off here.
01:15:35.000 There's a lot of free stuff.
01:15:37.000 Free cheese, free phones, free this.
01:15:39.000 I've had a lot of stories where people say to me, I haven't had this experience myself, where there's negative selection, where folks will come to Vermont because of all those free things.
01:15:48.000 What do you mean by free?
01:15:51.000 There's support.
01:15:53.000 It's basically if you're below a certain level of income, you get all the support.
01:15:59.000 And I'm not against supporting people.
01:16:00.000 I mean, look, I opened my farm up to the whole world, to kids, to People are having trouble with weight.
01:16:05.000 But I think you feel better when you earn it.
01:16:09.000 Kind of like you said with the belt system.
01:16:10.000 If you just walked into a gym and they just gave you a belt...
01:16:13.000 That's certainly true.
01:16:14.000 You certainly feel better when you earn things.
01:16:16.000 Yeah.
01:16:16.000 So that's my only issue.
01:16:19.000 So how did you get started?
01:16:21.000 How did you start the whole Spartan Race thing?
01:16:23.000 So I'm on the farm.
01:16:26.000 I got one leg still on Wall Street, one leg on the farm.
01:16:29.000 I'm selling the business.
01:16:30.000 I'm feeling overweight and out of shape.
01:16:33.000 Let's go way back.
01:16:35.000 Mom introduces me to a 3,100 mile run in Queens, New York that still exists today.
01:16:43.000 3,100 miles around a one mile loop.
01:16:46.000 Oh my God.
01:16:47.000 Yeah, it's called the Transcendence Run.
01:16:49.000 Even before that, it had a different name.
01:16:51.000 But she met the yogi, and the yogi believed that human beings could do things much greater than they think they can.
01:16:59.000 They're only held back by the limit of their mind.
01:17:01.000 And we're going to set up this running race, one-mile loop, 50 to 60 days, and you're just going to transcend the possibility.
01:17:08.000 You're just going to go around and around and around.
01:17:09.000 About seven to eight people do it a year.
01:17:12.000 I did not do it as a kid.
01:17:13.000 I'm a very young kid, but I see it, and it probably makes an imprint somewhere in my brain, right?
01:17:19.000 I'm on Wall Street.
01:17:20.000 I'm getting out of that business.
01:17:22.000 I'm going to the farm.
01:17:24.000 Met my wife.
01:17:25.000 And I start racing myself.
01:17:28.000 I start doing all these crazy races around the world.
01:17:30.000 Not 3,100 miles, but crazy stuff.
01:17:32.000 And I feel good, like you felt in the dojo, right?
01:17:35.000 Is that the right term?
01:17:37.000 Sure.
01:17:37.000 You can use that term.
01:17:38.000 Dojo.
01:17:40.000 I feel alive.
01:17:41.000 Like I'm sweating and working and eating healthy and kind of like I have a...
01:17:46.000 I find that I have a boxing match coming up and it's forcing me to train for it.
01:17:51.000 So, right?
01:17:51.000 I'm waking up earlier.
01:17:53.000 I'm not drinking.
01:17:54.000 I'm going to bed.
01:17:54.000 I'm doing all the things I'm supposed to do because I got a battle coming.
01:17:58.000 And I had so much fun with it that I said, I want to do this for other people.
01:18:02.000 I want to put on events and have them experience.
01:18:05.000 I get to meet myself during those events.
01:18:09.000 I find out who I am. 0.88
01:18:11.000 I get to places where I just want water, food, and shelter, and I'm not worried about payroll and all the bullshit of life or deers being buried in my back, right?
01:18:21.000 I just want to survive the next step.
01:18:25.000 Could I do this as a business?
01:18:26.000 This would feel really purposeful.
01:18:28.000 Kind of like you found your things and you felt good about.
01:18:31.000 And so put on the first race and it was like hell to get people there. 0.99
01:18:37.000 It's kind of like the kids camp.
01:18:38.000 I got to lie to people and say, this is going to be fun.
01:18:40.000 It'll be like a barbecue, which it wasn't.
01:18:43.000 And I'm going to just, I'm going to torture folks.
01:18:46.000 I'm going to put obstacles out there.
01:18:47.000 It'll be very military inspired.
01:18:49.000 Got a cool name, Spartan, and 500 people showed up.
01:18:54.000 Then 1,000.
01:18:56.000 Then 1,500.
01:18:57.000 Then 2,000.
01:18:57.000 Then 10,000.
01:18:58.000 Then we're in one country, two countries, 10 countries.
01:19:01.000 Eventually 45 countries.
01:19:02.000 I was in a battle with a company called Tough Mudder.
01:19:05.000 Non-stop battle.
01:19:07.000 About what?
01:19:09.000 Well, we were both in the same industry, right?
01:19:12.000 And they were having races on the same weekends I was having races.
01:19:16.000 So if I'm out marketing and they're out marketing, how do I convince people to come to my race and not their race?
01:19:20.000 In the same towns you were doing it?
01:19:22.000 Same towns, sometimes same locations.
01:19:24.000 So if we announced a location, then they would announce a similar location the weekend before, the weekend after.
01:19:29.000 So they were doing it on purpose?
01:19:31.000 Yeah.
01:19:31.000 We were in a knock-down, drag-out fight.
01:19:34.000 That's so weird.
01:19:36.000 Yeah.
01:19:36.000 For 10-plus years.
01:19:38.000 It was in the media.
01:19:39.000 It was a big battle.
01:19:40.000 And that battle forced me to be better as a business owner.
01:19:47.000 Like, right?
01:19:48.000 I had to be on my toes.
01:19:49.000 I had to fight for us to survive.
01:19:51.000 And we ended up buying them.
01:19:54.000 We ended up buying them pre-COVID, which was the absolute worst time ever.
01:19:59.000 Can't seem to get anything right.
01:20:01.000 But...
01:20:02.000 But yeah.
01:20:03.000 So you bought them.
01:20:04.000 Do you incorporate any of what they do into what you do?
01:20:08.000 Or did you just buy them and just assume them?
01:20:10.000 We bought them and the way I look at it, and you tell me what you think, the way I look at it is we want to be the LVMH. The Louis Vuitton owns all these brands.
01:20:20.000 Vail Resorts owns all these ski locations.
01:20:23.000 We want to own all these different types of events that are basically the boxing matches for people.
01:20:30.000 And so you could sign up and buy a season pass and you just choose your poison.
01:20:34.000 I'm going to do this this month, I'm going to do that that month.
01:20:37.000 And so I don't want to, they're not going to converge.
01:20:40.000 Tough Mudder is going to be its own thing just like it was when we were fighting.
01:20:43.000 Spartan will be its own thing.
01:20:44.000 We've got a couple other brands in there, just trail runs, this thing called DECA. And I'm really just trying to put dates on people's calendars like a boxing match.
01:20:53.000 Just give them something to challenge themselves to train for.
01:20:56.000 And hopefully they're like the boxers you described that actually do the work.
01:20:59.000 Yeah.
01:21:00.000 And I'll get people healthier because...
01:21:02.000 Well, there's something good about the fact that some boxers don't do the work.
01:21:05.000 You get to learn.
01:21:06.000 When a guy shows up at a world heavyweight title fight at 280 plus pounds and everybody goes, oh boy.
01:21:12.000 Young boxers go, don't be that guy.
01:21:15.000 There's lessons in people's failures.
01:21:17.000 They're all there for you.
01:21:18.000 It's all like there's...
01:21:21.000 There's knowledge out there, positive and negative. 0.99
01:21:24.000 You can learn a lot from people's fuck-ups, so you don't have to fuck up yourself. 0.98
01:21:28.000 I like that. 0.99
01:21:28.000 I like that. 0.99
01:21:29.000 I mean, you're right.
01:21:31.000 I like lazy people.
01:21:33.000 They make people that aren't lazy feel better.
01:21:36.000 They make them look better.
01:21:37.000 They make it more impressive.
01:21:39.000 You know, when you see a lazy person and then you see a guy like my friend Jocko, Jocko Willink, you go, oh, okay. 0.98
01:21:46.000 That guy's even more impressive because I know people are just fuck-ups and they find a reason to not do what they should do. 0.95
01:21:53.000 Isn't it so easy to stand head and shoulders above, like, show up a little earlier, right? 0.98
01:22:00.000 Go to bed a little earlier, drink a little later.
01:22:01.000 Like, it's not that hard.
01:22:03.000 It's not that hard to stand out.
01:22:05.000 It's not that hard.
01:22:06.000 No.
01:22:06.000 But, you know, in creative endeavors, that's what's weird.
01:22:11.000 Creativity is a weird thing.
01:22:13.000 And there's some benefit in indulgence.
01:22:18.000 Creativity is weird.
01:22:19.000 Like, some of the great artists, like, here's a perfect example. 0.98
01:22:23.000 Stephen King, when he was at his best, was doing blow and drinking like a fucking case of beer at night. 0.99
01:22:29.000 That's when he was at his best, when he wrote Carrie and Cujo, and he was out of his fucking mind. 0.99
01:22:35.000 Apparently he doesn't even remember writing Cujo. 0.99
01:22:37.000 Really?
01:22:37.000 Doesn't even remember writing it.
01:22:39.000 Yeah, he's just blasted out of his fucking mind. 0.99
01:22:41.000 But what happens in that funk of that fog of cocaine and alcohol and nicotine and just mashing those keys and just digging into the deep recesses of his mind? 0.99
01:22:56.000 I'm not convinced you could reach that on the natch.
01:22:59.000 I don't know if you can.
01:23:01.000 I mean, there is discipline in the fact that he sat down and did that work.
01:23:05.000 There's discipline in the fact that he was there, but he wasn't taking care of himself.
01:23:09.000 He wasn't drinking water and doing sit-ups. 1.00
01:23:11.000 That motherfucker would sit in front of that keyboard and torture himself with blow and write these masterpieces that, to this day, freak people the fuck out. 1.00
01:23:21.000 You read Carrie, to this day, you're like, whew! 1.00
01:23:23.000 Who wrote this?
01:23:24.000 What is going on in this man's mind?
01:23:27.000 But you're not suggesting we all do that.
01:23:31.000 You're just saying we got a tremendous benefit as a society because that guy did that.
01:23:34.000 I'm just saying that there's some...
01:23:37.000 It's hard...
01:23:39.000 There's no real, when you're talking about creative things, like Charles Bukowski is another example. 1.00
01:23:45.000 He's a fucking drunk man. 1.00
01:23:47.000 He wrote amazing shit. 1.00
01:23:48.000 But that guy would just lay around and drink and he would hit his girlfriend on camera. 1.00
01:23:52.000 Like they were crazy. 1.00
01:23:54.000 He was a crazy man. 1.00
01:23:55.000 But you read some of his work and you're like, wow, this is genius shit. 1.00
01:24:00.000 There's something about that one undisciplined, fucked up, but purposeful life that reached millions. 0.98
01:24:08.000 So I don't think there's a hard, fast rule. 0.53
01:24:11.000 I think activity and action are crucial, right?
01:24:16.000 Inactivity is always bad.
01:24:18.000 Someone who's lazy, who sits around and does nothing is always bad.
01:24:21.000 But when it comes to creative endeavors, sometimes indulgence, sometimes it's not a lack of discipline because the work still gets done.
01:24:33.000 But they're not taking care of themselves.
01:24:36.000 It's not self-care, but the results are spectacular.
01:24:39.000 You think it's the exception or the norm for those amazing – like is it all of them?
01:24:44.000 I don't know.
01:24:44.000 I think it's energy.
01:24:45.000 I think we look at it in terms of good and bad, and sometimes you can't look at things and you can't – everything is not binary.
01:24:53.000 You want to talk about a healthy person, right?
01:24:55.000 A person who's running, a person who's competing in athletic endeavors, well, that person has very specific requirements of their body.
01:25:02.000 Like, you know, if you're gonna run 3,100 miles, man, I mean, Jesus Christ, you're gonna have to do that running.
01:25:08.000 You're gonna have to be in shape if you do the Moab 240. You know, you want to do that.
01:25:14.000 You want to run 240 miles through the fucking mountains. 0.99
01:25:17.000 But if you want to write a book, You don't necessarily have to do sit-ups. 1.00
01:25:23.000 You don't necessarily have to even be healthy.
01:25:25.000 And there's some people who just want to write a book.
01:25:28.000 And there's some weird energy to being drunk.
01:25:33.000 There's weird energy to smoking cigarettes.
01:25:35.000 There's weird energy to taking amphetamines.
01:25:38.000 There's weird energy to sitting in front of a computer and coming up with these ideas.
01:25:42.000 It's not good for the body, but sometimes the results, like sometimes people sacrifice health and they sacrifice wellness in order to achieve creative goals.
01:25:56.000 I don't know if it's required, but I just know it's been done and the results for some people are amazing.
01:26:03.000 This is nothing I would ever encourage.
01:26:05.000 Certainly never encouraged my kids to do it.
01:26:07.000 Certainly would never encourage good friends to do it.
01:26:09.000 But there's something about these people that have made some of the great works of art, some of the great works of literature.
01:26:19.000 You know, they weren't healthy.
01:26:20.000 No, but one of the things that's driven me crazy forever is high-level CEOs and business owners, same thing.
01:26:28.000 They might not have those big creative bursts, but they're under stress. 1.00
01:26:34.000 They're eating shit food. 1.00
01:26:35.000 My dad was one of those, eating shit food, right? 1.00
01:26:38.000 Focused nonstop on the business. 1.00
01:26:41.000 They achieve, in some cases, tremendous success, but they're fucking dead. 0.99
01:26:47.000 I wonder if they would have achieved that success If they had been eating healthy and taking care of themselves, and I wonder if they would have looked at things the same way. 0.97
01:26:57.000 Like, what is your ultimate goal?
01:26:59.000 Is your ultimate goal numbers in a bank account, or is your ultimate goal to feel good?
01:27:03.000 Outlive your competition.
01:27:06.000 Yeah, I guess.
01:27:07.000 I mean, don't you want...
01:27:09.000 I love this term, health span, right?
01:27:11.000 From the moment you're alive to the moment you die, just be healthy.
01:27:15.000 Right.
01:27:15.000 You don't want to, like, the last 20 years in the hospital is not a...
01:27:18.000 Yeah.
01:27:18.000 That's not a good one.
01:27:19.000 Right.
01:27:20.000 Like, relative health is interesting, too, right?
01:27:21.000 You see a guy who's 90, and, you know, he's running marathons.
01:27:25.000 Like, wow, that's something to aspire to.
01:27:27.000 But if you were 30...
01:27:29.000 And all of a sudden, your body was that 90-year-old marathon runner. 0.99
01:27:32.000 I'd be like, what the fuck happened to me? 0.99
01:27:33.000 Right. 1.00
01:27:34.000 You'd hate it.
01:27:35.000 Right.
01:27:35.000 Like, it's not really healthy.
01:27:36.000 No.
01:27:37.000 It's just healthy for 90. It's healthy for 90. Yeah.
01:27:41.000 Yeah, I just want to feel good.
01:27:43.000 Yes.
01:27:44.000 I just want to feel good.
01:27:45.000 So, I mean, I look at this 92-year-old guy, Bishi, I told you about that's on the fruits and veggies.
01:27:51.000 He's, like, sharp.
01:27:52.000 His argument is, look, he goes, on this diet, you're not getting biceps.
01:27:55.000 You're not going to look like CT. Right?
01:27:58.000 Yeah.
01:27:58.000 But I'm gonna outlive people.
01:27:59.000 But CT's vegan.
01:28:01.000 CT's all vegan now.
01:28:02.000 He doesn't like that word he told me this morning.
01:28:04.000 He said he likes that plant-based.
01:28:05.000 Yeah, because the kids are all using that word now.
01:28:07.000 That's the new word.
01:28:08.000 Plant-based.
01:28:09.000 Is he eating only plants?
01:28:11.000 That's what he said.
01:28:12.000 Then he's vegan.
01:28:13.000 No, he's vegan, but he doesn't like the word.
01:28:14.000 Yes.
01:28:15.000 Oh.
01:28:15.000 Well, the word is, it's attached to a lot of annoying people.
01:28:18.000 Right.
01:28:18.000 You know?
01:28:19.000 Yeah, which is what he said.
01:28:20.000 The problem.
01:28:20.000 He said, if you use that word, you tend to, like, lean on other people to become vegan.
01:28:24.000 He goes, I don't give a fuck what other people do. 0.98
01:28:26.000 I'm trying to make sure this heart lasts. 0.99
01:28:28.000 Yeah.
01:28:28.000 Yeah.
01:28:29.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's the way to go to make your heart last.
01:28:32.000 You know, there's a lot of variables and there's a lot of people that have differing opinions, a lot of experts that have differing opinions in terms of nutrients that you're not going to get and, you know, and how to get those nutrients and how to make sure that the protein that you're getting is bioavailable and that you're getting a full suite of vitamins with everything,
01:28:50.000 you know, with all your meals and making sure all your bases are covered.
01:28:53.000 It's tricky.
01:28:54.000 Do you think...
01:28:56.000 It certainly could be done, though.
01:28:57.000 Well, do you think...
01:28:59.000 Here's my thought on it.
01:29:00.000 And again, I had my mom pushing for 30 years, right?
01:29:03.000 The diet, which I was pushing back from because I wanted the raviolis and the meat.
01:29:10.000 If you're 10th generation or 20th generation from a particular place on the planet that ate a certain way for 20 generations, and there's survival of the fittest, right?
01:29:19.000 Like those that couldn't last on that diet, died off, and You probably have a predisposition to eat that way in that part of the world, I would think.
01:29:28.000 There's certainly a good argument for that.
01:29:30.000 There's a genetic argument for your diet in terms of they can sequence your genome and go over your history and prescribe to you a diet that's based on your ancestry.
01:29:44.000 It's controversial.
01:29:46.000 Makes sense, though.
01:29:47.000 It does in some ways, yeah, but it's all anecdotal.
01:29:50.000 And then also different people.
01:29:52.000 That's the problem with biodiversity.
01:29:56.000 Some people do great on just fish and rice and veggies.
01:30:00.000 Other people, really, they need more protein.
01:30:04.000 They need more meat.
01:30:06.000 They survive better on a red meat-based diet.
01:30:09.000 Some people, they survive better on just eggs and vegetables.
01:30:13.000 But I think the most important thing is you have to have your nutritional bases covered.
01:30:18.000 This is so important, man.
01:30:20.000 You mean checking all the boxes?
01:30:23.000 Yeah, so many people go through life vitamin D deficient.
01:30:25.000 I mean, that is like one of the most common ones.
01:30:27.000 That's one of the big ones with COVID. More than 80% of the people in multiple studies, 80% of the people that were in the ICU with COVID had vitamin D deficient levels.
01:30:38.000 Which I think most of us have.
01:30:40.000 Yes.
01:30:40.000 Only 4% had sufficient levels.
01:30:43.000 Wow.
01:30:43.000 Which is crazy.
01:30:44.000 So, I mean, that doesn't, you know, correlation, causation, it doesn't exactly mean that vitamin D is going to protect you, but it is, it's crucial for health, and it's a vitamin that's actually also, according to Dr. Rhonda Patrick taught me this, that it's also a hormone.
01:30:59.000 You know, and it's, you know, it's something that It's crucial.
01:31:05.000 And most people don't get it.
01:31:07.000 And if you stay inside all day, you definitely don't get it.
01:31:09.000 And African Americans have an even harder time getting it because their ancestors developed all this melanin in their skin because they were constantly exposed to sunlight and the melanin was there to protect you from the sunlight.
01:31:20.000 And they didn't have to worry about absorbing the vitamin D because they were out there all the time.
01:31:24.000 Well, as people move into colder climates and climates that are cloudier, that's why people got paler. 0.89
01:31:31.000 They got paler because your body became essentially like a fucking giant solar panel for vitamin D. Right. 0.97
01:31:36.000 Because you couldn't get it. 0.99
01:31:37.000 You needed it.
01:31:38.000 Yeah.
01:31:39.000 Look at the people that live in the places where it rains all the time. 1.00
01:31:41.000 They're white as fuck. 1.00
01:31:43.000 Right. 1.00
01:31:43.000 That's why. 1.00
01:31:44.000 I mean, it's real simple.
01:31:45.000 It's a survival mechanism for vitamin D, for the one thing.
01:31:50.000 My doctor told me that when he was measuring people, he would measure black folks in New York, and some of them had undetectable levels of vitamin D, which is insane.
01:31:59.000 Wow.
01:31:59.000 Because you're in the winter, right?
01:32:01.000 You're covering your body completely.
01:32:02.000 You're not going outside, and you're also not supplementing.
01:32:06.000 No, so let's go into diet.
01:32:08.000 So for me, I got into these crazy races and my diet that I believe, hopefully it wasn't just a mental thing, was more fruits and veggies.
01:32:21.000 And so if I made a food pyramid, the very top of the pyramid would be fish, eggs and meat, but just 15% of my diet.
01:32:29.000 The rest was like avocado, salad, and I performed fantastic on that diet.
01:32:35.000 That sounds great for you.
01:32:36.000 But for me, for me.
01:32:37.000 And you've tried different ways?
01:32:38.000 Exactly.
01:32:39.000 You've tried like more meat, more fish, less meat, less vegetables.
01:32:43.000 You've varied it.
01:32:44.000 And this is primarily fruits and vegetables for you.
01:32:47.000 Yeah.
01:32:48.000 Primarily fruits.
01:32:48.000 I would say more veggies.
01:32:50.000 Well, if you think about what you're doing, it makes sense.
01:32:52.000 You're doing a lot of endurance stuff.
01:32:54.000 And a lot of endurance stuff requires a lot of carbohydrates.
01:32:57.000 Also, you're getting a lot of vitamins from all those vegetables, a lot of minerals from all those vegetables.
01:33:02.000 It makes sense.
01:33:03.000 And a little bit of meat.
01:33:04.000 And when I did an event in Fiji once, the Fijians are phenomenal rugby players.
01:33:10.000 And we were out literally in the jungle of Fiji.
01:33:14.000 And animals, these guys are ripped.
01:33:18.000 And they got the machetes and barefoot and they're going from like for them to go to see a friend at another village, it's like a 15 mile hike.
01:33:25.000 And they would kill a cow. 0.94
01:33:27.000 They'd eat mostly vegetables, but they would kill a cow. 1.00
01:33:31.000 Once every six months.
01:33:32.000 They eat it all.
01:33:33.000 They eat the eyeballs, everything. 0.69
01:33:37.000 And they would poke a hole in the cow's neck and mix a little milk with the blood, drink it up until a point where they killed it.
01:33:45.000 But I would say they were more veggies.
01:33:49.000 They'd eat that cow once every six months, but up to then it's all veggies.
01:33:52.000 And they were...
01:33:53.000 These guys, like...
01:33:54.000 Was that because of necessity, though?
01:33:56.000 Yes.
01:33:56.000 Yeah, because that's what was available.
01:33:58.000 That's available.
01:33:59.000 They didn't have a Whole Foods, or a car, or a TV, or anything.
01:34:03.000 Yeah, I mean, it's real clear that people evolved to adapt to their environments, like, whatever their environments were.
01:34:12.000 And if you were living in a plant-rich environment, and you ate most...
01:34:15.000 Look, there's a lot of people that live in the jungles of South America that prefer monkeys.
01:34:19.000 That's, like, their favorite thing to eat.
01:34:20.000 Right.
01:34:21.000 Yeah, my friend Steve Rinella actually went to Guyana and was hanging out with these tribes, and they would kill a monkey, and they were so excited, and they would smoke the monkey and cook it in a soup, and that was their favorite thing to eat. 0.79
01:34:35.000 They preferred it over everything.
01:34:36.000 You eat a monkey?
01:34:37.000 I've never eaten a monkey.
01:34:38.000 Yeah, I want a monkey.
01:34:39.000 I don't want to eat a primate.
01:34:41.000 My friend David Cho, who's an artist, was just in Africa, and he was staying with a tribe, and their primary diet is baboons because he sent me some pictures.
01:34:52.000 I don't know if I can use them, so I won't post them to you.
01:34:55.000 But he sent me some pictures of these people cooking up baboons. 1.00
01:34:58.000 He said that people like miners and people that are out there that Have killed essentially so many animals in that area.
01:35:06.000 They've depopulated that area so badly that baboons are like the last thing left. 0.99
01:35:11.000 So that's what this tribe hunts. 0.97
01:35:15.000 Yeah, right?
01:35:16.000 I don't want to eat a baboon.
01:35:17.000 I'll take a salad.
01:35:18.000 You'd take a salad over a baboon.
01:35:19.000 Oh, yeah.
01:35:20.000 But if I needed to survive...
01:35:22.000 Oh, you do what you got to do.
01:35:23.000 Yeah.
01:35:24.000 You got to do what you got to do.
01:35:24.000 Yeah.
01:35:25.000 Let's go back to if you're okay with it.
01:35:29.000 Yeah, let's get out of this darkness.
01:35:30.000 Yeah, let's get out of that.
01:35:31.000 There's something dark about primates, right?
01:35:33.000 Yeah, why is that?
01:35:35.000 Because it's our ancestors.
01:35:36.000 We're related to them in some sort of a strange way.
01:35:38.000 It's like cannibalism.
01:35:40.000 I've read a lot about Native American history and one of the more disturbing things is how prevalent cannibalism was and how prevalent cannibalism was where they would kill their enemies and eat them and roast them over the fire and sometimes eat them while they're still alive.
01:35:57.000 You think that was part of the reward?
01:35:59.000 I don't know, man.
01:36:00.000 Some of it was just survival.
01:36:02.000 I mean, when you're talking about people that evolved first primarily without horses, right?
01:36:10.000 It's like without horses for who knows how many thousands of years until the Europeans came. 0.60
01:36:14.000 When the Europeans came and they taught them horseback riding, I think? 0.98
01:36:39.000 30 seconds to fucking reload, whereas the Comanches can unload 30 arrows in that time. 0.99
01:36:44.000 You know, in probably 30 seconds, probably more. 0.99
01:36:47.000 They probably unload 40 or 50 arrows in 30 seconds.
01:36:50.000 Same time to load one.
01:36:51.000 Yeah, and you're dead. 1.00
01:36:52.000 You're fucked. 1.00
01:36:53.000 And they could fight on horseback. 1.00
01:36:54.000 The Europeans hadn't figured out how to fight on horseback.
01:36:56.000 They would climb off the horse to aim their rifle and then shoot it, and then they'd have to reload, and the Comanches would just run up on them and shoot from horseback. 0.99
01:37:04.000 So... 0.99
01:37:06.000 The idea that these people who grew up in this place or evolved in this place where they didn't have horses, they ate whatever the fuck they could. 0.98
01:37:15.000 They came here on foot from Asia, right? 0.96
01:37:18.000 And a lot of them came through the Bering Strait.
01:37:22.000 Like, they ate whatever they could.
01:37:23.000 Yeah, right.
01:37:23.000 It was survival.
01:37:24.000 And if you had a war with a neighboring tribe and you killed them, That's a lot of good meat.
01:37:30.000 We got a lot of meat there.
01:37:30.000 Yeah, what are you going to do?
01:37:31.000 Are you going to just let it rot?
01:37:32.000 Yeah. 0.66
01:37:33.000 Or you could just eat them and come up with some reason why you're stealing their soul or whatever it is.
01:37:37.000 Cook them over fire.
01:37:39.000 I got a saying that's fire ready aim rather than, you know, aim ready fire.
01:37:45.000 And it sounds like you've got a lot of knowledge in this area, but my thinking is, Aim ready fire came from like, took 30 seconds to load.
01:37:52.000 Like, you don't want to miss that shot.
01:37:54.000 Right.
01:37:54.000 Right?
01:37:55.000 But today, we've got the ability to, like, shoot a lot if you use it as an example in business or whatever. 1.00
01:38:00.000 Like, fuck it, take shots. 1.00
01:38:02.000 Right? 1.00
01:38:03.000 Whereas the mindset, I think, is...
01:38:06.000 Slow down, aim, but you never take the shot because you talk yourself out of it.
01:38:11.000 I'm not going to start this business.
01:38:12.000 I'm not going to do this new job.
01:38:13.000 I'm not going to do this.
01:38:14.000 I'm not going to do that. 1.00
01:38:16.000 I just take lots of fucking shots. 0.99
01:38:18.000 Well, that seems like it's going to suit your personality though, right? 1.00
01:38:22.000 Yeah.
01:38:23.000 I think some people are more calculated, more German perhaps. 0.55
01:38:25.000 More German.
01:38:26.000 Slowly engineer this situation and figure out how to do it right and what's feasible and what's not feasible.
01:38:33.000 You know, I think the idea that's important is action.
01:38:37.000 Do things.
01:38:38.000 Yes.
01:38:38.000 Actually do things.
01:38:39.000 To procrastinate and sit around and debate things forever before anything gets done.
01:38:43.000 Yeah.
01:38:44.000 There's a proper balance though of enough action and enough thinking.
01:38:49.000 But if you get ready and you're aiming, you don't tend to get into action.
01:38:58.000 When I fire, right?
01:38:59.000 When I tell somebody to fire first and commit to that event, that boxing, right?
01:39:06.000 It sends things into motion. 1.00
01:39:08.000 Like, all of a sudden, now you're doing a bunch of shit because, fuck, you said you were starting a business next month. 1.00
01:39:13.000 Right. 1.00
01:39:14.000 Right?
01:39:14.000 Oh, I can see that, yeah.
01:39:16.000 Especially if you're not doing anything currently.
01:39:18.000 Yeah.
01:39:18.000 The problem is the people that do too many things, that's almost as bad as not doing enough things.
01:39:25.000 That's fair.
01:39:26.000 It's spread too thin.
01:39:27.000 If you were my coach, you'd say I do a little too many things.
01:39:31.000 Do you think you do too many things?
01:39:32.000 I do too many things.
01:39:33.000 So what makes you know that but yet continue to do it?
01:39:38.000 Why would I possibly throw a kids camp in the mix during COVID? I got 300 events, I gotta reschedule across 45 countries.
01:39:46.000 Did you test the kids?
01:39:47.000 How'd you do that?
01:39:49.000 Nope.
01:39:50.000 Just reached out to a bunch of men.
01:39:53.000 That sounds terrible.
01:39:54.000 You gotta test them, man.
01:39:55.000 How come you didn't test them?
01:39:57.000 I fire ready aim.
01:40:00.000 But do you worry about health consequences of a bunch of kids getting sick?
01:40:03.000 I mean, we're making it sound much worse than it is. 0.99
01:40:06.000 They woke up early, big deal, every fucking year. 0.99
01:40:07.000 But I'm not worried about that. 0.99
01:40:08.000 I'm worried about they'll all be together and they're all...
01:40:10.000 I mean, we're in a pandemic...
01:40:12.000 Oh, oh, test them that way.
01:40:14.000 I'm sorry.
01:40:15.000 I thought you meant test them physically.
01:40:17.000 Oh, no, no.
01:40:18.000 No, I meant test them with COVID. Yes, of course.
01:40:19.000 Yes.
01:40:21.000 I thought you meant like how many push-ups did they do?
01:40:25.000 No, no, no, no, no.
01:40:26.000 I'm sorry.
01:40:27.000 I used it.
01:40:27.000 I wasn't very specific.
01:40:29.000 We test the shit out of people here. 0.99
01:40:31.000 We get tested every week. 0.99
01:40:33.000 But when you did my test, when I came in, it was with a rusty knife.
01:40:37.000 I thought that was a little weird.
01:40:38.000 That's how we do it now.
01:40:39.000 We're tired.
01:40:40.000 We're tired of doing it with clean utensils.
01:40:43.000 What's your feeling on COVID? Well, it's clearly a real problem.
01:40:50.000 It's clearly very contagious.
01:40:53.000 And for some people, it's no big deal.
01:40:55.000 They shake it off.
01:40:56.000 Pro athletes seem to have very little problem with it, like a lot of NBA players.
01:41:00.000 Although I do know of one NBA player that got it.
01:41:03.000 He's 28 years old, and he got it three months ago, and he still is not back up to the endurance level that he was before he got it.
01:41:10.000 He's still having lung issues.
01:41:12.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:41:13.000 It's a fucking weird disease, man. 1.00
01:41:15.000 Rare. 1.00
01:41:15.000 That's rare though, right? 1.00
01:41:15.000 It's rare. 1.00
01:41:16.000 But I mean, you could be one of those rare ones, right? 0.99
01:41:18.000 It's a fucking weird disease, man. 0.98
01:41:19.000 And I think one of the reasons why it's a rare disease is probably because it was manipulated in a lab. 0.99
01:41:24.000 You think Wuhan?
01:41:25.000 Yeah.
01:41:26.000 I mean, I don't know, right?
01:41:28.000 But when I talked to my friend Brett Weinstein, who is a biologist, he explained scientifically that there's all these points, all these things you could point to about this virus that indicate that it's been manipulated.
01:41:43.000 That it evolved too quickly.
01:41:44.000 The jump from animals to humans is too quick.
01:41:48.000 And that this specific type of virus, they were working on it in that lab.
01:41:53.000 They had a level 4 lab in Wuhan.
01:41:55.000 It's more likely, he said, given what we know about the virus, that it was released or escaped or accidentally released from that lab.
01:42:03.000 A couple of military guys I spoke to I mean, China's pretty pissed off at us, right?
01:42:11.000 I mean, whether it's justified or not, we're in a battle.
01:42:14.000 But I mean, they didn't release it in America.
01:42:16.000 They released it on their own people.
01:42:17.000 I don't think they released it on purpose.
01:42:19.000 I think that would be really...
01:42:21.000 Creepy.
01:42:22.000 And I think if they were going to do that, they would be really calculated and they would release it.
01:42:27.000 They'd have the vaccine ready to go.
01:42:28.000 Yeah, and they would do it in Manhattan and then vaccinate their own people and then fuck up our economy. 0.99
01:42:34.000 That could have happened.
01:42:37.000 Not this time, but I mean, that is a possibility.
01:42:40.000 It shows you what is possible.
01:42:41.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:42:42.000 That's what I meant.
01:42:42.000 A civilization could engineer a pandemic and infect another civilization.
01:42:50.000 So powerful as a weapon.
01:42:51.000 Oh my God.
01:42:52.000 Look what it crippled the whole world.
01:42:54.000 Crippled the whole world. 1.00
01:42:55.000 Crippled our economy. 1.00
01:42:56.000 Like that.
01:42:56.000 And we are the worst at it.
01:42:58.000 If you look at all the other countries, no one's done a worse job at dealing with this pandemic than us.
01:43:03.000 I think it exposed our weaknesses.
01:43:06.000 Sure.
01:43:06.000 Our health weaknesses, our financial weaknesses.
01:43:09.000 It exposed a lot of our weaknesses.
01:43:11.000 A little riff now, right? 0.99
01:43:13.000 Like, you know, is the shit going on? 0.99
01:43:15.000 Well, you know, that's like a bunch of compounding factors, right? 0.99
01:43:20.000 You know, you have the George Floyd murder, and then you have the protests afterwards, which ignite most likely is one of the factors in the kick-up of the virus again, the second wave of it.
01:43:32.000 You know, there's a lot going on, you know, and then also people don't like to be told what to do here. 1.00
01:43:35.000 So, well, I fuck you. 1.00
01:43:37.000 I'm going to go out. 1.00
01:43:38.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:43:38.000 I'm going to spring break. 1.00
01:43:39.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:43:40.000 I'm going to Florida. 1.00
01:43:41.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:43:41.000 I'm not wearing a mask. 1.00
01:43:43.000 We got a call.
01:43:45.000 I took the approach of we could put on a safe event.
01:43:47.000 The second that I get a state or a country that allows us to put on an event, we're back on.
01:43:53.000 And we're going to put protocols in place because I believe, fight me on it, I don't know what your thoughts are, but I believe that you're more likely to get it like we're sitting right now as opposed to being outside.
01:44:05.000 And I want people healthy and sweaty.
01:44:07.000 That's pretty much established.
01:44:08.000 You're more likely to get it inside.
01:44:11.000 Sunlight kills it.
01:44:12.000 And then the people have said, well, if sunlight kills it, then the protests, it wouldn't have spread in the protests.
01:44:17.000 Like, not so fast.
01:44:18.000 You're talking about 50,000 people packed on top of each other screaming.
01:44:22.000 Right. 0.86
01:44:23.000 The idea that the sunlight's going to kill all of it, it seems ridiculous.
01:44:26.000 And it's also going to get into people, and they're going to bring it to their home, and it's going to get to them.
01:44:32.000 They're going to go to work.
01:44:33.000 They're going to give it to other people at work or other people wherever, gatherings that they get to.
01:44:36.000 Whenever you get to...
01:44:37.000 You're having, like, the way...
01:44:40.000 Someone described it recently as like a music festival in every city all across the country for weeks at a time.
01:44:45.000 And that's what the protests were like.
01:44:47.000 I'm sure it had an impact.
01:44:48.000 And if you looked at the numbers, like so many of the people that have it now are young people.
01:44:53.000 I think bars had a big impact on it too.
01:44:55.000 I think a lot of, you know, drunk talk in bars, you're right on top of each other, you're indoors, you're drinking, your inhibitions are down, you're not thinking, you're not washing your hands, you're yelling, you're talking loud.
01:45:05.000 Sloppy.
01:45:06.000 Sloppy, yeah.
01:45:07.000 So we get a call from Florida. 1.00
01:45:10.000 Florida doesn't give a fuck. 1.00
01:45:12.000 Florida doesn't give a fuck. 1.00
01:45:13.000 Jacksonville. 1.00
01:45:15.000 I was definitely on the side of...
01:45:17.000 You said, Joe, what's your stance on the whole thing?
01:45:19.000 My stance was...
01:45:21.000 I think we should shut down for a period of time to get the hospitals and our medical system in shape.
01:45:27.000 But I'm just not a believer that you could shut down an economy for as long as we have.
01:45:31.000 It has some negative consequences.
01:45:34.000 It's got a big negative consequence. 1.00
01:45:35.000 People lose their shit sitting indoors. 1.00
01:45:38.000 Forget about money and everything else. 1.00
01:45:39.000 You start to lose your mind.
01:45:41.000 Right?
01:45:41.000 So I'm putting a race on.
01:45:44.000 I decide.
01:45:44.000 We're shooting down there.
01:45:46.000 We put all the protocols in place.
01:45:47.000 I'm a little annoyed because it's not going to be the race I'm used to where everybody's like getting together in a festival area and I can't have like mud pits where we're mingling people. 0.99
01:45:59.000 So I don't know how it's going to go.
01:46:02.000 I drive with my family because I've got to be there.
01:46:04.000 If I'm the leader of this organization, I've got to be there.
01:46:06.000 Drive with my family down the East Coast and When I get to South Carolina, there's no virus.
01:46:14.000 There's like corn dogs and partying and beaches full of people all the way to Florida.
01:46:21.000 It was completely different than New York and everywhere else.
01:46:24.000 It was game on.
01:46:25.000 So it's not shocking that...
01:46:28.000 The virus is huge down there.
01:46:29.000 Yes.
01:46:30.000 The virus in Florida.
01:46:31.000 You know they said Florida, if it was a country, would be the fourth highest rate of infection in the entire world?
01:46:36.000 I gotta tell you, and I'm not self-serving, we put on a good, safe event, really good event.
01:46:41.000 And so far, knock on wood, no issues.
01:46:44.000 But like, There was no protection, no protocol, nothing down in the states down there.
01:46:50.000 Do you impose tests on the...
01:46:52.000 We did tests.
01:46:53.000 All of our employees, we tested with the swab, you know, touches your brain with the swab, unlike your rusty knife on my hand.
01:47:02.000 Did you do temperature checks on the foreheads?
01:47:03.000 We did temperature checks with everybody.
01:47:04.000 We kept everybody distanced.
01:47:06.000 I'm not just saying it because, like...
01:47:09.000 My team went overboard.
01:47:10.000 It was annoying to me at how good they did it.
01:47:14.000 And I can't make money like that because I can't get enough people in the event.
01:47:19.000 I've got to space them out.
01:47:20.000 How many people did you normally have at an event?
01:47:23.000 Normally we'd have 8,000 at that event called a couple of thousand.
01:47:26.000 So I can't make those numbers work, but I thought it was important because there's 50,000 events around the world that are shut down.
01:47:32.000 New York Marathon, Boston, go down the list.
01:47:34.000 And if we could provide a path to, hey, this could be done, It was important to do, but it's not.
01:47:40.000 50,000 events have been shut down?
01:47:41.000 50,000 around the world.
01:47:43.000 Is that crazy?
01:47:44.000 Wow.
01:47:45.000 We are the hardest hit industry because we're not like a restaurant where I could deliver food.
01:47:50.000 Like, I'm dead.
01:47:52.000 I'm dead.
01:47:53.000 I'm out of business, right?
01:47:54.000 I got to keep paying people.
01:47:58.000 How many events do you normally run a year?
01:48:00.000 325. 45 countries.
01:48:02.000 325 events.
01:48:04.000 And I'll be lucky.
01:48:05.000 I'll be lucky if we have 20 this year.
01:48:08.000 20 from 325. So 305 down.
01:48:12.000 Tough year.
01:48:13.000 I wonder when this is going to turn around.
01:48:15.000 Do you think it's going to take a vaccine?
01:48:17.000 I mean, I'm looking at Sweden.
01:48:18.000 I don't know what your feeling is on Sweden, but thanks to that warrior call we spoke about at the very beginning of this conversation where I had all the people from around the world chiming in. 0.96
01:48:28.000 It looks to me—I know people are going to listen to this and say, Joe, you're crazy.
01:48:33.000 Sweden's got more deaths than Norway and other Nordic countries.
01:48:37.000 But when you look at the charts, you look at the number of people infected in Sweden versus the number of people dying.
01:48:43.000 And no one should die.
01:48:45.000 I'm not suggesting anybody should die, but like— It looks like it worked its way through the system, and they didn't shut down.
01:48:51.000 Now, granted, they're in good shape, unlike us, right?
01:48:54.000 Swedes are in good shape.
01:48:56.000 They socially distance anyway.
01:48:57.000 They keep their distance, not like us.
01:48:59.000 They're not hugging as much as we do and shaking hands.
01:49:02.000 But it looks like it worked.
01:49:04.000 They also have a different society over there.
01:49:08.000 They mostly have small villages.
01:49:11.000 You have Sweden, you have Stockholm.
01:49:14.000 It's all spread out.
01:49:14.000 Yeah.
01:49:15.000 It's like you have some urban areas, but you have a lot of areas that are spread out, and they're small villages.
01:49:21.000 Yeah.
01:49:22.000 No, it's a little more like Vermont.
01:49:23.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:49:24.000 And Vermont has almost no cases.
01:49:26.000 Really?
01:49:26.000 Yeah.
01:49:27.000 Yeah.
01:49:27.000 It's just not a high population of people.
01:49:30.000 No, but maybe.
01:49:33.000 I'm a very optimistic guy.
01:49:35.000 Maybe this thing's just got to work its way through because even if you get a vaccine, I happen to be close with a gentleman that's invested in one of these companies coming out with the vaccine.
01:49:45.000 Moderna.
01:49:46.000 And even if you get the vaccine this year, let's just say, you know how Americans are with vaccines.
01:49:52.000 They don't even want to take the flu shot.
01:49:55.000 So is everybody going to all of a sudden take the vaccine, or do we just have to stay shut for another year?
01:49:59.000 Like, you can't.
01:50:01.000 The only way out of this, again, people are going to be pissed off, the only way out is get on with our lives.
01:50:09.000 Well, the thing that I've been harping on maybe too much is that there's no emphasis whatsoever from our government about taking care of your health.
01:50:17.000 I'm the number one proponent.
01:50:19.000 I mean, come on.
01:50:20.000 That's what I live for.
01:50:21.000 I know, but it's weird that there's no discussion of this at all because they're afraid of shaming people for being obese.
01:50:28.000 They're afraid of shaming people because of their diet.
01:50:31.000 So they've avoided the discussion completely.
01:50:33.000 If it were me, if you were president, okay, and I was your advisor. 1.00
01:50:38.000 We'd be fucked. 1.00
01:50:39.000 I think this world's fucked now. 1.00
01:50:42.000 President Joe and Vice President Joe. 1.00
01:50:44.000 You're president.
01:50:44.000 We'd have real problems.
01:50:45.000 I'm your advisor.
01:50:47.000 Tell me what you agree with or disagree with.
01:50:49.000 One, let's get everybody to bed early.
01:50:50.000 Everybody's going to bed early.
01:50:51.000 No, freedom.
01:50:52.000 I'm all for freedom.
01:50:53.000 Again, I go back to Stephen King. 1.00
01:50:55.000 That motherfucker wrote some great shit doing coke and drinking like a fish. 1.00
01:50:59.000 But freedom leads to Doritos. 1.00
01:51:00.000 Freedom also leads to Carrie.
01:51:04.000 Great works of art.
01:51:05.000 How do we get both?
01:51:06.000 You don't.
01:51:07.000 You get freedom.
01:51:08.000 You get both because of freedom.
01:51:11.000 You give people freedom and you get a lot of things.
01:51:14.000 The problem with this disease is this is not like anything else.
01:51:18.000 You can't compare it to the flu because it's clearly more infectious.
01:51:23.000 And there's, you know, there's flu shots.
01:51:25.000 People can, even if you have a flu shot and it's for the wrong strain of the flu, there's enough in that that will protect you at least a certain amount from whatever flu.
01:51:37.000 There's nothing like that for this.
01:51:38.000 So all you got is vitamins and nutrients and health and sleeping.
01:51:42.000 So when you say, alright, let's get them healthy, you're president, and you want freedom, which I agree with freedom, but freedom has led to, like when I lived in Japan and I land anywhere in the United States, it doesn't matter what airport I land in, people are three times the size. 0.98
01:51:56.000 I don't want to say that about my American brothers and sisters, but they're three times the fucking size. 1.00
01:52:00.000 I lived in Vancouver. 1.00
01:52:02.000 Come back to America three times the size. 0.99
01:52:04.000 I lived in Singapore.
01:52:06.000 Come back to America three times the size. 0.99
01:52:08.000 We got a problem.
01:52:09.000 We do, but that's also...
01:52:12.000 Look, the American diet's terrible.
01:52:14.000 The average American diet's terrible.
01:52:15.000 I mean, eating...
01:52:17.000 Milkshakes and fries and soda and the massive amounts of sugar is what's led to people being enormous.
01:52:23.000 Massive amounts of calories and sedentary lifestyle. 0.99
01:52:26.000 It's all terrible.
01:52:27.000 But it's not all of us.
01:52:28.000 I mean, look how many people are into CrossFit.
01:52:29.000 Look how many people are into Jiu-Jitsu.
01:52:31.000 It's a small percentage, though.
01:52:32.000 It's a small percentage, but that's what freedom gets you.
01:52:35.000 There's a small percentage of people that are going to excel.
01:52:38.000 I mean, that's just part of the recipe of exceptionalism. 0.88
01:52:43.000 If you're going to give people the ability to do whatever the fuck they want, you're going to have some people that are going to ruin their lives because of that. 0.92
01:52:52.000 Have an open mind to this one. 0.91
01:52:53.000 I'm not saying this is right.
01:52:54.000 I beat this up. 0.98
01:52:55.000 What if you're president and I whispered in your ear and I said, all right, Joe, if you won't accept getting rid of the Doritos, can we at least have an FDA that's not, in other words, a department that just doesn't allow factory farming, doesn't allow bullshit foods, 0.95
01:53:12.000 maybe puts a sugar tax on things? 0.67
01:53:13.000 Okay, factory farming I think should be a crime because I think it's a crime against nature. 1.00
01:53:18.000 I think what they do to those pigs, when you see pigs stuffed into those cages, standing in their own shit and then The shit and piss gets filtered out into a giant pond that's outside of it. 1.00
01:53:29.000 It's filled with methane. 1.00
01:53:30.000 Can't even drive by it.
01:53:31.000 The smell is horrific.
01:53:33.000 That's a crime.
01:53:35.000 That's a crime.
01:53:35.000 And that's a crime that they're letting them get away with because it's profitable.
01:53:38.000 That's what I think.
01:53:40.000 They even have laws to protect them.
01:53:43.000 They have ag-gag laws. 0.67
01:53:44.000 So if you're working there, you can't film this.
01:53:46.000 If you're working there and you're horrified by it and you film it, you are in trouble.
01:53:50.000 Because they don't want anybody seeing that.
01:53:53.000 Exactly.
01:53:53.000 And if you see that, you're not going to eat like you and I don't want to eat the baboon.
01:53:56.000 Exactly.
01:53:56.000 So what do we do?
01:53:58.000 How do we stop it?
01:53:59.000 Well that, there should be laws against.
01:54:01.000 There should be laws against that.
01:54:03.000 And that is part of what fuels fast food.
01:54:08.000 Because in order to get cheap meat, you're going to have to do something.
01:54:12.000 You're going to have to figure out a way to stuff these animals into these pens. 0.90
01:54:16.000 And you're going to have to maximize your profit.
01:54:20.000 That's how it got to the position that it's in right now.
01:54:23.000 It should have never gotten there.
01:54:24.000 But now that it's there and now we know about it, we gotta pull it back. 0.80
01:54:27.000 And if that means that these fast food places are gonna have to jack up prices and they're gonna have to use organic, free-range beef, And instead of, you know, the shit that they're serving people now, well, then that's what's gonna have to happen. 0.55
01:54:42.000 And if things are more expensive, then people realize, well, this stuff is better for you, but now it costs more. 0.89
01:54:48.000 You know what?
01:54:48.000 I can go to the supermarket, and I can get it cheaper, and I could cook it myself, and maybe we could wean people off of this fast food.
01:54:55.000 The idea that we have to eat fast food is fucking crazy.
01:54:59.000 But then you've got people that live in these poor neighborhoods, and, you know, you can get a Big Mac for what? 0.98
01:55:05.000 A couple bucks?
01:55:06.000 It'll fill you up.
01:55:07.000 That was going to be my next question.
01:55:08.000 So I like it.
01:55:09.000 I like what you're saying.
01:55:10.000 So now all of a sudden it's more expensive at Burger King McDonald's or Pizza Hut, whatever, right?
01:55:15.000 It drives people to make their own food, but a lot of the neighborhoods, which is a large part of America, can't afford it.
01:55:20.000 How do you solve that?
01:55:21.000 That's a good question.
01:55:22.000 That's a real good question.
01:55:24.000 I mean, that's the real problem is poverty, right?
01:55:26.000 The real problem is these impoverished neighborhoods that have been like that forever.
01:55:31.000 And they don't seem to be changing.
01:55:33.000 How do you fix that?
01:55:35.000 Especially now when people can't work.
01:55:37.000 You know, this is a real problem right now.
01:55:39.000 Things are not just stagnant, they're deteriorating.
01:55:42.000 People can't work.
01:55:43.000 So I'm in our little game we're playing.
01:55:46.000 I'm your advisor. 1.00
01:55:47.000 Tell me, go fuck myself. 1.00
01:55:49.000 But there's a lot of generals and colonels and folks from the military that retire each year. 1.00
01:55:56.000 And what if we took all those inner cities, those tough neighborhoods, and we said, hey, you had a great career.
01:56:02.000 You're retired.
01:56:03.000 You're getting paid to the end of your life.
01:56:04.000 Go take over that neighborhood.
01:56:06.000 Clean it up.
01:56:07.000 Would that be viewed by the public as like a military state?
01:56:10.000 It certainly would.
01:56:11.000 I mean, look what's going on in Portland.
01:56:13.000 In Portland, they sent the Department of Homeland Security to try to break up the riots.
01:56:18.000 And they're calling them riots now, finally.
01:56:21.000 You know why? 1.00
01:56:22.000 Because the Portland mayor got tear gassed, and they told him to fuck himself. 1.00
01:56:25.000 Like, kids were yelling at him, fuck you, retire, step down. 1.00
01:56:30.000 Yeah, he's like, oh, this is great. 1.00
01:56:32.000 Because he thought, I'm going to be one of the people, and I'm going to go there.
01:56:35.000 They were throwing water bottles at him.
01:56:37.000 I don't know what they want.
01:56:39.000 I don't know what they want, but they were telling him, you've got to resign. 1.00
01:56:42.000 Fuck you, mayor. 1.00
01:56:43.000 It's crazy. 1.00
01:56:45.000 And then the Department of Homeland Security people were macing him.
01:56:48.000 So how do you stop?
01:56:50.000 How do you go into...
01:56:51.000 I mean, you gotta...
01:56:52.000 You don't use the military.
01:56:53.000 I just don't think that's...
01:56:55.000 I just don't think you do that.
01:56:56.000 I mean, look, what they're trying to do in Portland is a different story because you're trying to break up looting, smashing windows, attacks on federal property.
01:57:03.000 That's sort of a different thing.
01:57:05.000 And I don't think...
01:57:08.000 I'm not educated enough to decide, nor have I really sat down and thought about it, whether or not they need the Department of Homeland Security to break that stuff up.
01:57:17.000 I don't know what's going on up there.
01:57:18.000 But I do know that the mayor, who is in support of what he was calling peaceful protests, is now like, okay, this is a riot.
01:57:25.000 They were screaming at him.
01:57:28.000 He's the guy that's on their side.
01:57:29.000 He let Antifa take over the streets, and they're throwing water bottles at him. 1.00
01:57:34.000 They're like, fuck you! 1.00
01:57:36.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:57:36.000 I mean, I don't think you would. 1.00
01:57:37.000 I'm not a believer.
01:57:38.000 I don't think you're a believer in, like, you can't let people do illegal things.
01:57:42.000 I don't care what it's for.
01:57:43.000 You can't let people destroy property.
01:57:44.000 You also can't let people, like, these mass gatherings have become violent, and they think they're doing it for a good cause, but it's totally directionless.
01:57:52.000 Like, what are they trying to do?
01:57:54.000 They're trying to take over the federal court buildings?
01:57:55.000 What are they trying to do?
01:57:56.000 Like, look what happened in Seattle where they took over those six blocks, the Chas area. 0.98
01:58:00.000 Look what happened in there.
01:58:01.000 They started beating people up.
01:58:03.000 People got shot and killed.
01:58:04.000 They wouldn't let anybody in.
01:58:05.000 They put borders up.
01:58:06.000 They developed their own security system. 1.00
01:58:08.000 And then when people were violating that, they were kicking their ass. 0.99
01:58:11.000 They were literally physically assaulting people in the name of this new utopia. 0.99
01:58:16.000 Like, they did a way shittier job of governing that spot than America does.
01:58:22.000 It feels like Hong Kong.
01:58:24.000 Everything we saw in Hong Kong. 0.99
01:58:25.000 Yeah, it's fucking chaos out there in some of these, especially the Pacific Northwest. 0.98
01:58:29.000 And I wonder how much that has to do with they don't get any sun. 0.98
01:58:32.000 Could be vitamin D. Could go back to vitamin D. That's part of why they're so depressed up there.
01:58:37.000 That's been documented.
01:58:39.000 That's why depression, I mean seasonal depression disorder.
01:58:42.000 No doubt about it.
01:58:43.000 That's up there, man.
01:58:44.000 So what do we do with the Doritos?
01:58:48.000 Let them have it.
01:58:49.000 You can have Doritos.
01:58:50.000 You can't put a sugar tax?
01:58:52.000 Nope.
01:58:53.000 Nope.
01:58:53.000 Nope.
01:58:54.000 Nope.
01:58:54.000 You should educate people.
01:58:56.000 Look, I don't eat Doritos.
01:58:58.000 How come other people do?
01:59:00.000 I mean, I'll have them occasionally.
01:59:02.000 I don't have them occasionally.
01:59:03.000 But I don't eat them every day.
01:59:05.000 If I did, I'd be fat.
01:59:06.000 It's real simple.
01:59:07.000 But we don't say this.
01:59:10.000 So you think it's a discussion problem?
01:59:12.000 Sure.
01:59:13.000 Look, how much time do we spend talking about certain issues that we have, whatever those issues are, and how little time do we spend—how little time does our own government spend talking to us about our diet, talking to us about, like, literally one of the most important things— Even doctors don't talk about our diet.
01:59:31.000 They don't know anything about it.
01:59:32.000 The amount of time that the average physician spends in medical school— Study nutrition is miniscule.
01:59:38.000 It's tiny.
01:59:38.000 Unless that person's actually studied, unless their actual education is in nutrition, there's very little studying of it.
01:59:48.000 If you're a doctor that's a general practitioner, If you're a doctor that's an orthopedic surgeon, how much time, unless you're independently studying it, how much time in medical school do they spend studying nutrition?
01:59:59.000 Very little.
02:00:00.000 Which is crazy because that's the root cause of most of these diseases.
02:00:03.000 Yep.
02:00:03.000 Right?
02:00:04.000 Yep.
02:00:04.000 But we fix problems.
02:00:05.000 We don't find the source of the problems and solve them.
02:00:09.000 But some people do.
02:00:11.000 So for those some people, you can learn from those some people and there's a ton of them out there.
02:00:17.000 But those inner cities might not be getting that information.
02:00:20.000 They're not.
02:00:21.000 Not only that, they do have cheap food in the form of fast food and it's everywhere and also provides jobs for people that live there.
02:00:28.000 So do you subsidize that?
02:00:31.000 Man, I don't know, man.
02:00:32.000 That's a good idea.
02:00:33.000 That's a real good question.
02:00:34.000 The problem is people are addicted to those foods, too.
02:00:36.000 So you'd have to get them off of that.
02:00:38.000 When you see someone who's obese, almost always they're addicted to some sort of terrible food.
02:00:43.000 Almost always.
02:00:45.000 I know you love freedom, and I love freedom.
02:00:47.000 That's why we both live in this country.
02:00:48.000 But it's not a fair fight.
02:00:51.000 I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I was on Wall Street, and if you're a Burger King, you're at one of these big public companies that's making food that's not so healthy.
02:01:01.000 You've got scientists, you've got Madison Avenue advertisers.
02:01:04.000 You've figured out a way to get into our psyche where you can't live without that thing.
02:01:10.000 So that's not a fair fight.
02:01:11.000 Yeah, and they're in there and they're not getting out, right?
02:01:14.000 But they used to be able to advertise for cigarettes.
02:01:16.000 They can't do that anymore.
02:01:17.000 They stopped that.
02:01:18.000 It's interesting because you can still advertise for, like, Jack in the Box, but you can't advertise for cigarettes.
02:01:23.000 But obesity kills as many people as almost anything.
02:01:26.000 So that's what I'm saying.
02:01:27.000 Would you cross the line?
02:01:28.000 Like, were you annoyed that you can't advertise for cigarettes?
02:01:31.000 Is that taking away a freedom?
02:01:34.000 It's a good question.
02:01:36.000 It's a discussion.
02:01:37.000 The problem with those ads is a lot of them were, at least initially, very deceptive.
02:01:41.000 You know, they made it look like...
02:01:44.000 Marlboro Man.
02:01:44.000 Yeah, Marlboro Man.
02:01:46.000 I wanted to be Marlboro Man, right?
02:01:48.000 Yeah, that guy died of cancer, by the way. 0.97
02:01:51.000 So, I mean, there's no ads where you see these shitty foods with obese people getting sick. 0.94
02:01:58.000 No, no. 0.98
02:01:59.000 Right?
02:01:59.000 They're making you feel good.
02:02:01.000 Yeah, I wonder if like for every good ad you would have to have a bad ad.
02:02:06.000 Like you'd have to have an ad.
02:02:07.000 I like that.
02:02:09.000 So like for every good ad for Burger King had, you could hire like a company that would make a creative, very compelling ad showing fat people having heart attacks.
02:02:22.000 Or even a motivating one to do something healthy.
02:02:26.000 Yeah, that'd be better.
02:02:27.000 The best motivation is always positive, right?
02:02:31.000 But sometimes not for some people, particularly for people that are addicted.
02:02:34.000 Sometimes the wake-up call is death's door. 0.92
02:02:36.000 You get to death's door, you have that heart attack, and you're like, oh my god, I gotta fucking clean up my life. 0.94
02:02:41.000 CT. Yeah. 0.87
02:02:42.000 Right?
02:02:43.000 You know, I mean, I think CT had underlying genetic conditions, which many, many people do have.
02:02:50.000 It's not even their fault.
02:02:51.000 They just have, for whatever reason, they just have a history, a genetic history of heart disease.
02:02:57.000 Heart disease is very weird, but it certainly is exacerbated, and he'll tell you that by his diet.
02:03:02.000 Yes, that doesn't mean you're definitely going to die because your parents did of that, right?
02:03:07.000 You could make some lifestyle choices.
02:03:10.000 Yes, you could strengthen your health for sure in multiple ways.
02:03:14.000 What's a typical day look like for you from a health and wellness standpoint?
02:03:19.000 Well, I'm lucky that I enjoy doing things.
02:03:23.000 Physical things.
02:03:24.000 Yeah.
02:03:26.000 So because I have this long history of exercise, it's like it's just a normal part of my day.
02:03:32.000 And if I don't do it, I don't think right.
02:03:34.000 Like if I don't do it, I'm not calm.
02:03:36.000 So it fucks up everything else.
02:03:38.000 So it'll fuck up podcasts for me. 0.82
02:03:40.000 When I was doing stand-up before COVID, it would fuck up stand-up.
02:03:43.000 You can't be in a bad mood.
02:03:46.000 And for me, the best solution to a bad mood is hard workouts.
02:03:50.000 Hard workouts cure it all, man. 0.94
02:03:51.000 A heavy bag, smoke a joint, hit that heavy bag, play some Hendrix, just whack the shit out of that heavy bag, and then after it's over, man, I feel great. 0.92
02:03:59.000 I love everybody. 0.99
02:04:01.000 Smoking the joint doesn't slow you down?
02:04:03.000 No.
02:04:04.000 It gives you energy?
02:04:05.000 No, it just makes me reflective.
02:04:08.000 It makes me think more.
02:04:09.000 It makes me paranoid.
02:04:11.000 It makes me more compassionate.
02:04:15.000 There's a lot of weird stuff about pot, and one of the things that people don't like is like, oh my god, I just feel paranoid.
02:04:21.000 I think that's hyper-aware.
02:04:23.000 That's what it is.
02:04:24.000 Because really, you should kind of be more paranoid than you really are. 0.98
02:04:29.000 I mean, we're these water balloons of flesh with these fucking breakable sticks that keep the structure together. 0.98
02:04:36.000 I like that. 0.97
02:04:37.000 Wandering around, driving 60 miles an hour in these metal boxes with rubber tires over this artificial road that we've created and covered the earth with. 0.99
02:04:45.000 We're fucking weird, man. 0.97
02:04:47.000 Pretty complacent when you describe it that way. 0.99
02:04:49.000 And we're in space.
02:04:49.000 And we're on this ball that's spinning a thousand miles an hour, hurling towards infinity.
02:04:54.000 A fire burning every day in the sun.
02:04:56.000 And we're not going to be here for very long.
02:04:58.000 You know, that's the other thing.
02:04:59.000 You have a short amount of time here.
02:05:01.000 And you're trying to navigate this time the best you can.
02:05:04.000 Trying to be nice and be a good friend and be a good neighbor and be a good husband and a father and all those good things and a good wife and just a nice co-worker.
02:05:14.000 And you're trying to just do your best.
02:05:16.000 It's complicated and you're interacting with all these different people with all sorts of different issues and problems and needs and wants and desires and egos and There's a lot going on, man.
02:05:27.000 And the more that you can mitigate your own stress levels, the more that you can calm the demons inside you, the better you're going to interact with people, the better they're going to feel about their interactions with you, the better they're going to interact with other people,
02:05:43.000 there's a ripple effect.
02:05:44.000 And it just makes the whole world better.
02:05:46.000 Like, if you're a better person, if you do your best and you get better at it and you keep doing your best, you keep getting better at it, like all things in life, You'd do better at creating a healthy environment for all the people around you, too.
02:05:59.000 When you say it that way, it's like if everybody in America exercised 20 minutes a day, right?
02:06:04.000 It'd be a better world.
02:06:05.000 It'd be a better world.
02:06:06.000 100%.
02:06:06.000 100%.
02:06:07.000 Everybody get along a little better?
02:06:08.000 Yeah, I don't think there's any denying that.
02:06:10.000 I mean, for some people, it wouldn't worry, oh, yeah, well, my dad worked out 20 minutes a day. 0.99
02:06:13.000 He was still a dick. 0.99
02:06:14.000 That's the outlier. 0.98
02:06:15.000 But if you looked at the mean, if you looked at overall, like if you got 330 million people or whatever we've got in this country, And all of them worked out 20 minutes a day.
02:06:24.000 And then you looked at what the results were two, three years down the road.
02:06:28.000 I would imagine you would have less aggressive behavior.
02:06:32.000 You would have probably less violent crime.
02:06:35.000 You'd probably have less arguments.
02:06:37.000 People could be more peaceful about things.
02:06:39.000 You'd probably have people that were healthier.
02:06:41.000 They'd have less visits to the doctor.
02:06:44.000 They'd have less medical problems.
02:06:45.000 I bet there would be Overall, a host of benefits that we would achieve nationwide if we could convince people. 0.97
02:06:52.000 And I'm not talking about taking a fucking brutal CrossFit class or going to jiu-jitsu and getting strangled every day. 0.83
02:06:58.000 I'm talking about going on a hike and doing some push-ups and sit-ups, some bodyweight squats. 0.98
02:07:03.000 Very basic.
02:07:04.000 Basic stuff.
02:07:05.000 Yeah.
02:07:05.000 I've met enough, as you have, I've met enough, we'll call them killers from martial arts, where they're very humble, very nice.
02:07:14.000 And me not coming from that background, I'm shocked, right?
02:07:17.000 Because I'm expecting a pit bull, but I'm getting a golden retriever.
02:07:20.000 And I think it's because they work out every day and they've been humbled and they do hard work.
02:07:24.000 And so it takes the edge off.
02:07:27.000 It's also they don't have a need to prove themselves.
02:07:29.000 They know what they can do, and they're not trying to puff their chest out and intimidate everyone around them.
02:07:36.000 They're friendly.
02:07:38.000 Jiu-Jitsu is a perfect example of that, because there's only one way to excel at Jiu-Jitsu.
02:07:44.000 You have to spar.
02:07:45.000 So you can't pretend.
02:07:47.000 You have to be in there getting strangled or strangling people every day.
02:07:51.000 You become humble.
02:07:51.000 You get humble.
02:07:53.000 It happens.
02:07:54.000 I mean, I don't know how many times I've tapped out, but it's a lot.
02:07:57.000 It's thousands.
02:07:58.000 And you've got to make that decision at that moment.
02:08:00.000 It's going to happen.
02:08:02.000 Especially, look, if you want to get a black belt, you start as a white belt. 1.00
02:08:05.000 That means you're going to get fucked up. 0.99
02:08:07.000 I mean, there's just no way around it. 0.99
02:08:08.000 But there's great lessons in learning.
02:08:11.000 You get in your blue belt, you're like, I'm getting really good at this. 0.99
02:08:15.000 And then you roll with some purple belt, smashes you, and you're like, fuck, I'm terrible. 0.98
02:08:18.000 And then you get your purple belt and you're like, I'm doing pretty good. 1.00
02:08:20.000 And some brown belt fucking squashes you. 1.00
02:08:22.000 You're like, fuck! 1.00
02:08:24.000 It's just like you try to make your way up. 1.00
02:08:25.000 Always being level.
02:08:26.000 I like that.
02:08:28.000 And then there's always room to grow and learn.
02:08:31.000 You don't want to be the master.
02:08:33.000 You want to be the guy who's seeking to improve.
02:08:35.000 I mean, there are masters.
02:08:37.000 There's guys that are at such a high level.
02:08:39.000 Unless they run into another master, they're going to do the squashing.
02:08:44.000 But then they train with those other masters.
02:08:45.000 They train with each other all the time.
02:08:47.000 It's beautiful to watch.
02:08:49.000 Really high-level guys tap each other out.
02:08:52.000 And you realize, this never ends.
02:08:54.000 This never ends.
02:08:55.000 Yeah, Helsing Gracie has a very famous description of jiu-jitsu.
02:08:58.000 Jiu-jitsu is like...
02:09:00.000 I do this to you.
02:09:02.000 You respond.
02:09:04.000 I respond to your response.
02:09:06.000 That goes on forever.
02:09:08.000 Forever.
02:09:09.000 That's jiu-jitsu.
02:09:09.000 I like that.
02:09:10.000 I attack.
02:09:11.000 You defend.
02:09:12.000 I attack.
02:09:13.000 You defend.
02:09:13.000 Forever.
02:09:13.000 Forever.
02:09:14.000 That's jiu-jitsu.
02:09:15.000 I like that.
02:09:16.000 Given that...
02:09:18.000 You're president again.
02:09:20.000 Couldn't we do what Israel does? 1.00
02:09:22.000 Couldn't we have one year?
02:09:23.000 It doesn't have to be military.
02:09:24.000 It's not a bad idea.
02:09:25.000 Right?
02:09:26.000 One year. 1.00
02:09:27.000 Just kick everybody's ass for one year. 1.00
02:09:29.000 It's not a bad idea. 1.00
02:09:30.000 The problem with that is, again, the freedom thing.
02:09:32.000 You want people to be able to do whatever they want, but you also get a lot of service out of your country, right?
02:09:39.000 You get a lot.
02:09:39.000 There's a lot that we all benefit from, from having a fire department and a military and clean streets and We're good to go.
02:10:05.000 Is surrounded by people that they're in conflict with, so they feel like they have to have that.
02:10:09.000 But the fact that they have this mandatory military service, they're very proud people.
02:10:14.000 And there's a lot of patriotism when it comes to Israel.
02:10:18.000 Some would say that's bad.
02:10:19.000 Some people would say that's bad.
02:10:21.000 Some people would say that's good.
02:10:23.000 I think there's real benefit to some form of service.
02:10:28.000 I don't know if it has to be military service.
02:10:30.000 I don't know what it has to be.
02:10:31.000 I like the bonding that probably occurs.
02:10:33.000 Same thing with our events.
02:10:35.000 But But every culture has had a rite of passage.
02:10:40.000 I'm doing it with these children.
02:10:42.000 We need it.
02:10:43.000 Yes.
02:10:43.000 I think human beings do need a rite of passage.
02:10:46.000 I think that is important.
02:10:47.000 And these traditional cultures that have had these rites of passage, that's to signify that someone is coming of age.
02:10:55.000 This is an adult now.
02:10:56.000 You've gone through this process, and this is like a belt ceremony.
02:11:01.000 You get your black belt, man.
02:11:03.000 They tie that around your waist.
02:11:04.000 That is a moment that you'll never forget.
02:11:06.000 You graduated.
02:11:06.000 Yeah, you graduated.
02:11:07.000 You made it.
02:11:08.000 And I think as an adult, sometimes people have to know, I am an adult now.
02:11:12.000 I'm held to a different standard.
02:11:13.000 I need to hold myself to a different standard. 0.99
02:11:16.000 I can't just fucking be a ne'er-do-well and fucking skip my way through this life and live off of unemployment. 1.00
02:11:25.000 Fuck people over and scam my way through life. 1.00
02:11:27.000 No, I want to be noble. 1.00
02:11:29.000 I want to be respectable.
02:11:31.000 I want to be someone who I respect.
02:11:33.000 A good citizen.
02:11:34.000 Yeah.
02:11:35.000 You want to respect yourself.
02:11:36.000 You want to appreciate yourself.
02:11:37.000 And I think that...
02:11:39.000 It's hard to do that.
02:11:40.000 It's easy to do nothing.
02:11:42.000 But it's hard to do nothing.
02:11:44.000 Because if you do nothing, you're going to live a hard life.
02:11:46.000 It's going to be a sucky life.
02:11:47.000 You don't realize it.
02:11:48.000 But everybody pays.
02:11:49.000 You pay no matter what.
02:11:51.000 Either you pay now or you pay with regret.
02:11:54.000 You pay with a lack of success. 1.00
02:11:57.000 You pay with a sloppy body and a fucking weak mind that falls apart in any challenge. 1.00
02:12:03.000 You don't have any structure. 1.00
02:12:05.000 You've got no rigidity to your thoughts.
02:12:07.000 You don't have any resolve in your mindset because you've never been tested.
02:12:11.000 And a person who goes through life without ever been tested is a sad person. 0.99
02:12:15.000 The saddest thing is seeing a person who's never been tested when the shit hits the fan. 0.99
02:12:19.000 And that's one of the things we're seeing from COVID. We're seeing a lot of people that just have weak minds and they're just panicking and screaming at people, wear a mask! 1.00
02:12:28.000 People on the other side of the street and Because they never face tough times.
02:12:33.000 They don't know.
02:12:35.000 They don't know how to buckle up.
02:12:36.000 They don't know how to strap in.
02:12:38.000 They don't know how to overcome.
02:12:39.000 And so this heightened stress level that comes with the pandemic is freaking them the fuck out. 1.00
02:12:45.000 And that's one of the reasons why social media is such a fucking shithole right now. 0.99
02:12:49.000 It's so bad. 1.00
02:12:50.000 It's because so many of those people are shut-ins.
02:12:52.000 So many of those people are shut-ins, have never been challenged.
02:12:55.000 They don't really know who they are.
02:12:57.000 You know what you're saying?
02:12:58.000 Like when you do a race, you meet yourself.
02:13:00.000 These people never met themselves.
02:13:02.000 So all they're doing is judging other people, constantly bitching and bickering about other people.
02:13:07.000 You learn a lot from someone about how much attention they spend on other people's failures, how much time they spend pointing out other people's failures, and how little time they spend reflecting on their own.
02:13:20.000 We think about our business, we say we shine a mirror in your face.
02:13:25.000 Right?
02:13:25.000 Yeah.
02:13:26.000 You get to find out.
02:13:27.000 By the way, anybody could be good when times are good.
02:13:29.000 Yes.
02:13:30.000 Yes.
02:13:31.000 Right?
02:13:33.000 That's what I like about physical pursuits, man. 1.00
02:13:35.000 You find out who the fuck you are. 0.99
02:13:38.000 You find out whether or not you're that person who can keep going, whether you're that person who is consistent. 1.00
02:13:45.000 So many people, they start off like, I'm gonna run a mile a day, and they run a mile a day for a couple weeks and they fuck off. 0.99
02:13:50.000 It's consistency. 0.99
02:13:52.000 This showing up when you don't want to show up, forcing yourself to do things you don't want to, but then reaping the rewards.
02:13:57.000 And learning.
02:13:58.000 Like, if you just worked out every time you felt motivated, you're not going to ever really get in shape.
02:14:03.000 No.
02:14:04.000 You're not going to.
02:14:05.000 No.
02:14:05.000 It's got to be discipline.
02:14:06.000 You've got to have discipline.
02:14:07.000 Motivation's great.
02:14:08.000 I love it.
02:14:08.000 I love music.
02:14:09.000 I love watching a David Goggins clip online or Cam Haynes or Jocko Willink or any of these savages.
02:14:17.000 There's so many people out there.
02:14:18.000 You could watch one of their videos where they tell you what to do and you just get fired up and you want to go do it.
02:14:23.000 But that's not always going to be there for you.
02:14:25.000 No.
02:14:26.000 Sometimes you've got to just Check the box.
02:14:28.000 This is what I'm doing every day.
02:14:30.000 Rain or shine.
02:14:31.000 This is what I do.
02:14:32.000 This is what I do.
02:14:33.000 No, I agree with that.
02:14:36.000 I love the fact that you're spreading it.
02:14:38.000 That's what I love.
02:14:39.000 I love the fact that you're forcing these kids to do these things, and then you're putting together these races where it gives people a destination. 0.84
02:14:45.000 It gives people an opportunity to train for an event, and that's big, man.
02:14:49.000 Events are big.
02:14:50.000 For us, and you'll appreciate this one, this is for most people.
02:14:54.000 I mean, we get, pre-COVID, 1.6 million people a year doing these events, okay?
02:14:59.000 It's a big number.
02:15:00.000 And this is the biggest thing they've ever done.
02:15:03.000 This is their belt ceremony.
02:15:04.000 Right, right, right.
02:15:04.000 This is the Olympics.
02:15:06.000 They just became a Navy Seal.
02:15:07.000 Right, right, right.
02:15:08.000 And all the benefits you talk about, like, you can't even believe the transformations that happen to all these people and the letters I get.
02:15:17.000 And, like, I get paid in that currency.
02:15:19.000 Right, right.
02:15:20.000 Like, you changed my life.
02:15:21.000 I'm back with my husband.
02:15:22.000 I'm back with my wife.
02:15:22.000 I lost weight.
02:15:23.000 I gave up drugs.
02:15:24.000 I got a thought.
02:15:25.000 What if you put together, like, an online thing?
02:15:28.000 Where the people are accountable, but because of COVID, you tell them that event is going to happen, the event is going to take place in six weeks, and this is what you need to do.
02:15:39.000 And then you need to mark your time.
02:15:42.000 Every day.
02:15:42.000 Yeah, maybe you have an app or maybe even simpler...
02:15:46.000 They just use a fucking timer on their phone, you know, and say, okay, you know, ready, set, start. 0.54
02:15:52.000 Start your timer, and then you have to complete all these things, and maybe you have a checklist on your website where they can check off all the different things that they have to do during that day and get it done. 0.99
02:16:01.000 And maybe someone like that 600-pound dude, it takes him seven hours, and the average person takes him 90 minutes, but everybody does it together, and then as a community, they all report it, put it up on Instagram, maybe with hashtags.
02:16:11.000 A little ranking.
02:16:12.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:16:13.000 I like it.
02:16:14.000 Yeah, give these people an event without having a physical location.
02:16:18.000 I mean, look, there's probably nothing better than that physical location when you all get together and the camaraderie and the energy of all the people together running together.
02:16:26.000 It's not the same.
02:16:27.000 We did a very big virtual event, what you're saying.
02:16:31.000 We registered 3.9 million people in this virtual event.
02:16:35.000 That's awesome.
02:16:36.000 I don't know how many did.
02:16:37.000 You know what I mean?
02:16:38.000 And then what I like, what you just said, was I didn't have the lead-up every day.
02:16:42.000 Did you do 100 push-ups?
02:16:44.000 I like that part.
02:16:45.000 That's the part that excites me.
02:16:47.000 But a virtual event, you could kind of get away with cheating.
02:16:52.000 Yeah, but you cheat yourself.
02:16:53.000 You and I know that.
02:16:55.000 You gotta tell them that, too.
02:16:57.000 Just let them know.
02:16:58.000 No, but if you and I, if we were signed up for September 1st, we're going to do a Spartan.
02:17:04.000 We've got to show up.
02:17:06.000 And you don't want to be embarrassed.
02:17:07.000 I don't want to be embarrassed.
02:17:08.000 But with the virtual, you could kind of hide behind your couch.
02:17:11.000 Yeah, I did.
02:17:12.000 So that means you might not do the push-ups.
02:17:14.000 But I still like the idea because maybe 50,000 people every day will do it.
02:17:18.000 It's something.
02:17:19.000 And it'll have an effect.
02:17:21.000 I agree that it won't have as big an effect as if you're doing it live.
02:17:24.000 I think the way you do it live is awesome.
02:17:26.000 And that's the best effect.
02:17:28.000 But you've got to do what you've got to do, and times change.
02:17:31.000 It'll come back, right?
02:17:33.000 Hopefully.
02:17:34.000 I never thought this was going to happen.
02:17:36.000 And what's the story?
02:17:37.000 Are you moving?
02:17:38.000 I'm out of here.
02:17:39.000 When do you leave?
02:17:40.000 Soon.
02:17:41.000 Texas?
02:17:42.000 Yeah, I'm going to go to Texas.
02:17:43.000 I've got a farm in Vermont.
02:17:45.000 It's a little cold.
02:17:46.000 Vermont's cold.
02:17:47.000 I just want to go somewhere in the center of the country, somewhere it's easier to travel to both places, and somewhere where you have a little bit more freedom.
02:17:55.000 Also, I think that where we live right here in Los Angeles is overcrowded, and I think...
02:18:01.000 Most of the time, that's not a problem.
02:18:02.000 But I think it's exposing the fact that it's a real issue.
02:18:06.000 When you look at the number of people that are catching COVID because of this overpopulation issue, when you look at the traffic, when you look at the economic despair, when you look at the homelessness problem that's accelerated radically over the last six,
02:18:23.000 seven, ten years, I think there's too many people here.
02:18:26.000 I think it's not tenable.
02:18:27.000 I don't think it's manageable. 0.96
02:18:28.000 And I think every mayor does a shit job of doing it because I don't think anybody could do a great job of it. 0.99
02:18:33.000 I think there's like certain things you're gonna have to deal with when you have a population of whatever the fuck LA is. 0.99
02:18:39.000 It's like 20 million plus people. 0.98
02:18:41.000 It's too many people.
02:18:42.000 It's too many people.
02:18:43.000 Yeah, that's what I think.
02:18:44.000 I think where you're living is probably the perfect way to do it.
02:18:46.000 It's 500 people.
02:18:48.000 That's nuts.
02:18:49.000 But then you got those dudes yelling at you, where's the deer?
02:18:52.000 I could go on.
02:18:54.000 We could do hours of the negatives of a small town.
02:18:59.000 Oh yeah, there's negatives.
02:19:00.000 Everybody knows your business.
02:19:02.000 Everybody knows what you're doing, where you're going.
02:19:05.000 There's pros and cons to everything.
02:19:07.000 But I think you have a better opportunity at more pros when there's less folks.
02:19:12.000 I agree.
02:19:13.000 So small town Texas or?
02:19:15.000 Let's just leave it at that.
02:19:17.000 Yeah.
02:19:17.000 I got ideas.
02:19:18.000 Jamie's coming.
02:19:19.000 Nice.
02:19:20.000 Look at him.
02:19:20.000 He's all excited.
02:19:21.000 It doesn't affect the business.
02:19:22.000 No.
02:19:23.000 We're just gonna do it from there.
02:19:24.000 But that's the other thing is Texas has comedy.
02:19:26.000 They have stand-up comedy.
02:19:27.000 I've been doing, I did, well I haven't been doing, but I did one weekend in Texas while all this was going on.
02:19:32.000 It was the first weekend I was able to do stand-up.
02:19:35.000 But then my friends were in San Antonio and they got COVID down there.
02:19:39.000 But those knuckleheads were out there talking to people and shaking hands and taking pictures and stuff. 0.92
02:19:44.000 Texas would be the last stand place to ever wear a mask or not shake a hand. 0.88
02:19:49.000 They wear masks though.
02:19:50.000 People are wearing masks last time I was there.
02:19:52.000 I think now they're woken up, right?
02:19:54.000 Well, this is a weird disease, man.
02:19:56.000 It's weird.
02:19:58.000 But now, again, I was talking to a neuroscientist yesterday who was saying the latest is they don't think asymptomatic people are contagious. 0.99
02:20:07.000 And I'm like, well, what the fuck, man? 0.99
02:20:09.000 I thought they were. 0.99
02:20:09.000 I thought that's part of the problem. 0.99
02:20:11.000 Yeah.
02:20:12.000 Now they've got something else.
02:20:13.000 They don't know.
02:20:14.000 They don't know.
02:20:15.000 They don't know if you can catch it twice.
02:20:17.000 They don't know.
02:20:17.000 Yeah, I heard that's coming out now.
02:20:18.000 They think you can, and then they say it's very unlikely.
02:20:21.000 Anybodies are going away.
02:20:22.000 Yeah, they don't know.
02:20:24.000 They don't know.
02:20:25.000 You prefer stand-up over this?
02:20:28.000 I like all the things I do.
02:20:30.000 Yeah.
02:20:31.000 Yeah.
02:20:32.000 It's scary.
02:20:32.000 It's scary getting up on stage.
02:20:35.000 It's exciting.
02:20:36.000 It's not scary.
02:20:38.000 Not anymore.
02:20:39.000 The first time I did it, it was scary.
02:20:41.000 After you develop a certain amount of proficiency...
02:20:44.000 You know what's scary, or what's nerve-wracking, is when you release a special.
02:20:48.000 Like, I'll do a Netflix special, and then I have...
02:20:52.000 A whole new hour I have to write.
02:20:54.000 It's all new material.
02:20:56.000 Oh, because everybody's seen it.
02:20:57.000 Yeah, that's scary.
02:20:58.000 Because then you go on stage, all these people pay to see you, they're all excited, they think you're hilarious, and you got nothing.
02:21:04.000 So you have to write a lot and you have to work it out, but it's just exciting.
02:21:08.000 I prefer the word exciting.
02:21:10.000 It's just exciting.
02:21:11.000 It's challenging.
02:21:13.000 A show like Netflix, when you did that for an hour, how many pages of material is that?
02:21:18.000 Well, it takes about two years.
02:21:21.000 To write that?
02:21:22.000 Yeah, it takes really a year to write it and then a year to polish it and then add new stuff to it and really figure out where it is.
02:21:29.000 But, you know, each bit is many, many pages.
02:21:35.000 It depends.
02:21:36.000 You know, it really depends on the bit.
02:21:38.000 It depends on, you know, how, I mean, a lot of it gets chopped.
02:21:42.000 I mean, maybe I'll start out with like 10 pages and then I chop it down to one.
02:21:47.000 And then the actual bit becomes one page.
02:21:49.000 But how many pages did it take to correct the bit or to re-edit and try it again and a second draft, a third draft?
02:21:58.000 Are you testing it in front of people?
02:22:00.000 You have to.
02:22:01.000 You have to.
02:22:02.000 In stand-up you have to test in front of a live audience.
02:22:05.000 Sometimes I write bits and they are finished before they ever get to the stage.
02:22:09.000 They're done.
02:22:10.000 Like the moment I bring them to the stage, they're already done.
02:22:12.000 But that's rare.
02:22:13.000 Most of the time I have an idea and I think I know how it's going to work and then I say it but it doesn't work that good or I have a new way to do it that's better or I come up with a new tagline that changes the bit.
02:22:25.000 It's a weird art form because you have to kind of do it in front of people.
02:22:28.000 Yeah.
02:22:29.000 So there's a lot of people that are trying to do it like on Zoom.
02:22:32.000 They're trying to do Zoom stand-up, but it's terrible.
02:22:34.000 Yeah.
02:22:35.000 Stand-up you have to do live.
02:22:36.000 It's like our Zoom workout.
02:22:38.000 Not the same as...
02:22:39.000 No, but it's something.
02:22:41.000 It's something.
02:22:41.000 It's something.
02:22:42.000 I'm getting people moving.
02:22:43.000 Yeah.
02:22:43.000 Get people moving.
02:22:44.000 Yeah.
02:22:45.000 Yeah.
02:22:45.000 To make America fit again.
02:22:47.000 Yeah.
02:22:47.000 So since you have all these other different things you like to do, you think you do too many different things.
02:22:52.000 What are you thinking about pulling the trigger on?
02:22:54.000 What am I adding or taking away?
02:22:56.000 Yeah.
02:22:56.000 What are you adding?
02:22:57.000 I love this kid's thing.
02:22:58.000 I mean, if you...
02:22:59.000 That's why I asked you about stand-up comedy versus the podcast or anything you do.
02:23:03.000 If you put a gun to my head or a knife like you did earlier when you tested me...
02:23:08.000 I... I like the kids. 0.87
02:23:13.000 The kids are like wet clay in the sense that...
02:23:15.000 You really feel like you make an impact in the future.
02:23:16.000 I feel like I make an impact.
02:23:17.000 I've been getting...
02:23:18.000 We didn't talk about this.
02:23:19.000 I've been getting some 21 or 22-year-olds from very, very wealthy families that are saying, hey, Joe, they know me through somebody or whatever.
02:23:28.000 My kids are a little...
02:23:29.000 They need some help.
02:23:30.000 I want to put them on the farm with you.
02:23:33.000 They're hard to fix.
02:23:34.000 By the time they're 21, 22, they're hard to fix.
02:23:36.000 These little kids, I make a big impact.
02:23:40.000 I mean, the letters I got are tearjerkers after the text I saw them writing the parents about how terrible I was, and then seeing 14 days later the impact.
02:23:52.000 I want more.
02:23:53.000 Yeah.
02:23:54.000 You know?
02:23:54.000 No, I think you're dead right about that.
02:23:57.000 If you can give a kid a transformational experience when they're young, something that really sticks with them.
02:24:02.000 That's the rest of their life.
02:24:04.000 Mm-hmm.
02:24:04.000 Right?
02:24:05.000 Yep.
02:24:05.000 And the other thing I like about it is they can't really quit.
02:24:08.000 Right. 0.99
02:24:09.000 You know, if the parent gets involved, then it's all fucked up. 0.97
02:24:12.000 But if the parent stays out of it... 0.96
02:24:14.000 We're doing amazing.
02:24:16.000 I'm doing another one right now while I'm sitting here.
02:24:18.000 I got another 20 kids there right now.
02:24:21.000 They're there in Vermont right now?
02:24:22.000 In Vermont right now, yeah.
02:24:23.000 Who's cracking the lip?
02:24:25.000 Andy the Olympian, the Mountain Warfare guy, Eric Ashley. 1.00
02:24:30.000 They're kicking these kids' asses. 0.99
02:24:32.000 So you're running this every two weeks with a new group? 0.99
02:24:35.000 I mean, it's selfish for me because I want my kids to keep just re-enlisting, right?
02:24:39.000 And so I need more kids for them, and so I just hit up another group, and some of the old kids came, so this is their second tour, we'll call it.
02:24:45.000 Really?
02:24:45.000 Yeah, which is great.
02:24:46.000 One of them's an 11-year-old girl that's just badass, stoic, and...
02:24:51.000 And one of the older boys, I found out last night when I got to California, is hitting his dad up and saying, you got to get me out of here. 0.98
02:24:58.000 You got to lie to Joe and tell him we have a family vacation and get me the fuck out of here. 0.98
02:25:02.000 How old is the oldest? 0.99
02:25:03.000 15. And the dad hit me up and I said, listen, next time he talks to you, tell him we have an 11-year-old girl by his side that is finishing this thing.
02:25:14.000 Are you kidding me?
02:25:15.000 So you can't blame them because they've never tested themselves.
02:25:18.000 They've never done hard things.
02:25:19.000 Right.
02:25:20.000 But I love it.
02:25:21.000 How are you structuring this?
02:25:22.000 Do you sit out in advance and decide what they're going to do every day?
02:25:26.000 So Andy, the Olympic wrestler, when he, 2008 Olympian, didn't medal, went to Russia.
02:25:34.000 And he spent a couple of years in Russia to learn their system.
02:25:36.000 Why did the Russians get all these gold medals in wrestling? 0.99
02:25:40.000 And they climb mountains, and they climb ropes, and they just fucking work hard. 0.95
02:25:44.000 Not that American wrestlers don't. 0.90
02:25:46.000 And so we took a bunch of that Russian system, we took a bunch of the mountain warfare stuff, and then we just added the Spartan sprinkles in there and the stuff my mom... 0.56
02:25:53.000 Spartan sprinkles.
02:25:54.000 Spartan sprinkles. 0.98
02:25:55.000 And so, you know, they're waking up early, they're hiking the mountain, they're doing miserable shit, carrying rocks, always purposeful, so we're building stuff out of the rocks that'll be there for the test of time. 0.98
02:26:08.000 And so they can come back and see the efforts of their work. 0.99
02:26:13.000 Cold water is always involved because as you said with the shower, cold water sucks.
02:26:17.000 Do they drink only water as well?
02:26:18.000 They drink only water.
02:26:19.000 All the Doritos, all that stuff is gone.
02:26:21.000 It's only three meals a day.
02:26:22.000 It's healthy food.
02:26:25.000 Probably keeping them a little bit hungry because, you know, a lion is most handsome when it's hungry.
02:26:31.000 Is that true?
02:26:32.000 Yeah.
02:26:33.000 I mean, it wants food.
02:26:35.000 I've never heard that.
02:26:35.000 Most handsome when they're hungry.
02:26:37.000 I mean, right?
02:26:37.000 It's ready to attack.
02:26:39.000 Yeah.
02:26:39.000 And so, yeah, bed early.
02:26:43.000 We are issuing phones for 30 minutes.
02:26:45.000 They get to text or call their parents or whatever.
02:26:48.000 30 minutes.
02:26:49.000 Yeah.
02:26:49.000 We're doing two days on.
02:26:51.000 This particular camp is much more wrestling focused.
02:26:54.000 So two days on, and then one day they'll do a big hike.
02:26:57.000 So they did a giant hike today.
02:26:58.000 So they do wrestling?
02:27:01.000 Even the first camp, I didn't say to you, we had a fight club every day.
02:27:06.000 Some of them were wrestlers, some weren't.
02:27:07.000 There were girls in there, never done it before. 1.00
02:27:09.000 And we created a Brad Pitt fight club down the basement with Andy.
02:27:13.000 And it was awesome. 0.97
02:27:14.000 The kids fucking loved that part of the camp every day. 0.98
02:27:18.000 They loved it. 0.99
02:27:19.000 So they beat each other up?
02:27:20.000 It was wrestling, so it was smooth.
02:27:22.000 He set the rules.
02:27:23.000 It was like, hey, I just want you to get a high single leg.
02:27:25.000 This is what it is.
02:27:26.000 There were games like that.
02:27:28.000 They loved it.
02:27:29.000 They'd pound the mat.
02:27:31.000 They'd be screaming for an opponent.
02:27:32.000 It's almost instinctual or something.
02:27:35.000 It was unbelievable.
02:27:36.000 It's great that you keep them from their phones for that long, too.
02:27:39.000 Yeah, it was great.
02:27:43.000 That's great.
02:27:45.000 If anybody wanted to get a hold of you and wanted to do that, how would they enlist their kid?
02:27:50.000 There's probably a bunch of people listening, looking at their fat kid, laying on the couch right now, going, Bobby, I got something for you.
02:27:57.000 Yeah, so I give the whole world my email address.
02:27:59.000 The only thing I ask is don't write me more than two sentences.
02:28:03.000 Hold on a second.
02:28:04.000 Do not give your email address on this podcast.
02:28:07.000 Just don't.
02:28:08.000 You mean you're not going to be able to deal with it?
02:28:11.000 I answered 2,600 emails one day.
02:28:13.000 Okay.
02:28:14.000 Well, you're going to get 2,600 emails the very second you give out that...
02:28:18.000 Email address.
02:28:19.000 Just make them work for it.
02:28:21.000 What's your website?
02:28:22.000 Website spartan.com.
02:28:24.000 Spartan.com.
02:28:25.000 Okay.
02:28:25.000 Why don't you message me on Instagram, right?
02:28:29.000 And my guy that manages that will... 1.00
02:28:31.000 He's going to have a fucking heart attack. 1.00
02:28:33.000 Fuck it. 1.00
02:28:33.000 I mean, he gets paid. 1.00
02:28:35.000 Okay.
02:28:35.000 And what is that on Instagram?
02:28:37.000 What's the handle?
02:28:38.000 At Real Joe DeSena.
02:28:39.000 Okay.
02:28:40.000 At Real Joe DeSena.
02:28:41.000 And John, behind the scenes, will figure out how to...
02:28:44.000 Get me the message, and I hope you send me Bobby.
02:28:47.000 I'd love to toughen the kids up.
02:28:49.000 Alright.
02:28:49.000 Beautiful.
02:28:50.000 Joe, thank you, man.
02:28:51.000 It was a pleasure.
02:28:51.000 You're awesome.
02:28:51.000 I enjoyed it.
02:28:52.000 I really did.
02:28:53.000 Thank you very much.
02:28:54.000 Goodbye, everybody.
02:28:57.000 I didn't know when you end, so I was like, I don't know.