The Joe Rogan Experience - October 23, 2020


Joe Rogan Experience #1553 - Maynard James Keenan

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1 hour and 32 minutes

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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Joe and Matt talk about the new Pussifer album, their love for Kraftwerk, and what it's like being in a band with a brand new album coming out on the 30th. Also, Matt and Joe talk about how they met and became friends, and how they got together to make a new music project. And, of course, they talk about a lot of other stuff too. Joe also talks about his new wife and their adorable dog, and Matt talks about how he and his band are using synthesizers in their new album, "Conditions of My Parole" which is out now! Also, the guys talk about what it was like growing up in the 80s and early 90s listening to music, and talk about some of their favorite bands they grew up listening to and listening to, and the bands they loved growing up. And, they also talk about their favorite albums of all-time, and some of the most influential albums of the 80's and 90s, and their favorite songs of the 90s. Enjoy, and tweet us what you thought of it! Timestamps: 4:00 - What are your favorite bands of all time? 6:30 - What was your favorite 80's/90s music? 7:00 8:20 - Who are you listening to right now? 9:15 - What's your favorite song of the past decade? 11:00- What do you think of your favorite band? 12: What kind of music do you're listening to? 13: What are you most excited about? 15:00 | What's next? 16: What is your favorite piece of music from the past? 17:40 - Which band do you like the most? 18:30 19:10 - How do you feel about your favorite rock song? 21:00 -- Who do you remember the most recent song from the 80 s? 22:30 -- what do you re listening to in your head? 23:40 -- what s your favorite pop song from a classic rock station? 26:00-- Is it a non cool thing? 27:30 What s your favourite song from an 80's or 90s pop song you listened to in the last 5 years? 28:00 // 27:10 -- what kind of song did you like about your first gig?

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000 Oh, hello, man.
00:00:13.000 Hey, bro.
00:00:14.000 Is this how you're wearing your mask now, on the wrist?
00:00:16.000 That's cool.
00:00:17.000 I just forget to bring it with me, so if I just, like, hang it on my nose, I just bring it.
00:00:21.000 It's a new move.
00:00:22.000 Yeah.
00:00:22.000 People will do that now.
00:00:24.000 They will see you, and it's like, one side of the watch, other side of the watch.
00:00:26.000 Put your miniature schnauzer right here.
00:00:27.000 Aww.
00:00:28.000 You have a cute little dog, dude.
00:00:30.000 That picture of your dog is adorable.
00:00:31.000 Yeah, she's awesome. 1.00
00:00:32.000 She's out.
00:00:33.000 What's her name?
00:00:34.000 Taking a walk.
00:00:34.000 Miho.
00:00:35.000 Miho?
00:00:36.000 Yeah, she's 15. What does Miho stand for?
00:00:39.000 Beauty, Crest of a Wave.
00:00:41.000 It's Japanese.
00:00:42.000 Oh, okay.
00:00:42.000 Deadly Little Miho from Sin City.
00:00:46.000 Which one was that?
00:00:47.000 She had the swords in the corner.
00:00:50.000 Oh, right.
00:00:50.000 From the movie?
00:00:52.000 Yeah, Sin City.
00:00:53.000 Sin City was a movie, but it was also a comic book, right?
00:00:56.000 Comic book, yeah.
00:00:56.000 Was she in the comic book as well?
00:00:58.000 I don't know. 0.99
00:00:58.000 That movie was fucking good, man. 0.99
00:01:00.000 I forgot all about that movie until just now. 0.99
00:01:02.000 Yeah, she's named after a deadly little Miho. 1.00
00:01:04.000 Yeah.
00:01:05.000 So we were talking about how, well, we didn't talk about how the new Pussifer album comes out on the 30th.
00:01:10.000 I listened to what is available, and it sounds awesome. 1.00
00:01:12.000 There's a lot of layers to that shit, man. 0.99
00:01:14.000 There's all kinds of sounds coming at you from all over the place. 0.99
00:01:18.000 Yeah, Matt, normally what happens with our recording process is that I'll have an idea, or Matt will have an idea, and we'll just kind of set down a direction.
00:01:27.000 For example, I'll go...
00:01:29.000 Mandolin, drum machine, banjo.
00:01:32.000 Let's just start there and start to see what we can build on this thing.
00:01:38.000 And then you have an album like Conditions of My Parole.
00:01:41.000 On this, he picked up an old Fairlight and making a Fairlight actually work.
00:01:48.000 I don't know what a Feralite is.
00:01:49.000 It's a synthesizer, and you've heard it on, you know, Peter Gabriel used it, Art of Noise, like I think Yes might have used versions like a Synclavier or a Feralite.
00:01:59.000 I'm going to get that wrong, and Matt's going to just, he's got his face in his palm right now.
00:02:05.000 But, you know, so there's very specific sounds that come out of these and there's a learning curve to go with it.
00:02:11.000 But the cool thing is that it kind of paints you into a sonic corner.
00:02:16.000 And then you start layering on that.
00:02:18.000 And then, of course, unconsciously or consciously, you start thinking of all the stuff you heard in...
00:02:23.000 In the 80s, you know, that was used on.
00:02:27.000 Yeah.
00:02:27.000 So you start reacting in that way for those sounds.
00:02:31.000 And then, you know, Karina coming in on top of me, adding her piece. 0.92
00:02:35.000 And then just that kind of, you know, that kind of three-way chest that we have going on.
00:02:39.000 As a non-musician, it's always interesting to see the way people react to synthesizers.
00:02:45.000 The synthesizer's got to be one of the most polarizing sounds, but obviously it's responsible for some amazing songs, undeniably.
00:02:55.000 But for whatever reason, people either love or hate that kind of sound.
00:03:00.000 Well, yeah, whenever, you know, when you have people that are like, I don't know, man, I like live music, you know, totally live music, so you're big, you know, and then you kind of wait, come back around and go, what do you think of Kraftwerk?
00:03:11.000 Oh, I love Kraftwerk.
00:03:17.000 They put robots on stage and push a button and you pay money to watch four mannequins play the songs.
00:03:23.000 It's basically like Chuck E. Cheese.
00:03:26.000 But I love Kraftwerk.
00:03:28.000 But it's funny when people don't quite make the connection of they don't know what it is they're saying.
00:03:33.000 Well, it becomes almost an ideological thing.
00:03:36.000 It's like you're opposed to it because it's a non-cool thing or something.
00:03:41.000 Yeah. 0.67
00:03:41.000 Do you remember when Jump came out and everybody was like, what the fuck has happened to Van Halen if they lost their mind? 0.67
00:03:48.000 What is this? 0.99
00:03:53.000 Meanwhile, one of the biggest fucking songs they've ever put out. 0.99
00:03:56.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:03:57.000 Massive, super blockbuster.
00:04:00.000 Yeah.
00:04:01.000 But some people were just like, this is the end.
00:04:04.000 Well, I remember living in Boston.
00:04:06.000 We had the classic rock station playing.
00:04:09.000 AAF or WBCN? I think it was...
00:04:12.000 It might have been BCN. What's the other one?
00:04:15.000 AAF, BCN... I think it was BCN. But it was a classic rock channel.
00:04:21.000 And this was 87?
00:04:22.000 Yeah.
00:04:23.000 Yeah, I was there. 0.99
00:04:25.000 And I remember people losing their shit because they tried to play Van Halen on that station. 0.99
00:04:31.000 They're like, that's not classic rock, bro. 0.99
00:04:33.000 They really were very adamant about like, no, no, no, no, Van Halen is hairband.
00:04:39.000 That's like some kind of glam rock thing.
00:04:41.000 They were, you know, Bostonians just getting their panties in a bunch over Van Halen on BCN. Yeah, there was a real resistance to hair metal.
00:04:49.000 There's hair band music came around.
00:04:52.000 Even Guns N' Roses.
00:04:54.000 People put it in the hair band category.
00:04:56.000 And I'm like, boy, you're splitting hairs.
00:04:59.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:05:00.000 It's hardly hair band music.
00:05:03.000 I mean, it's Sweet Child of Mine and Welcome to the Jungle. 0.99
00:05:06.000 These are fucking great songs. 0.99
00:05:09.000 It's hard. 0.99
00:05:10.000 Hair band to me is like, I get...
00:05:13.000 Why people would like it.
00:05:14.000 I understand it.
00:05:15.000 But it's simple.
00:05:16.000 It's a piece of candy.
00:05:18.000 Yes.
00:05:19.000 Whereas Guns N' Roses, they put out some fine meals.
00:05:25.000 Some of their songs were...
00:05:27.000 It was one meal, but it was a good meal.
00:05:31.000 But they were well-crafted pieces.
00:05:35.000 Whereas, you know, there's... 0.96
00:05:37.000 I don't want to name some bands, but there's some, you know, some bands that wore eyelash extensions and fucking crazy hair and... 0.89
00:05:44.000 Bowie. 0.89
00:05:45.000 Bowie. 0.50
00:05:46.000 He did do...
00:05:47.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:05:48.000 You're right.
00:05:48.000 Good point.
00:05:49.000 Yeah, but... 0.99
00:05:50.000 Nobody's giving him shit. 1.00
00:05:51.000 Nah, he can't give him shit. 1.00
00:05:53.000 He's... 1.00
00:05:53.000 Well, how undeniable was Michael Jackson that even though people think he most likely did some horrible shit, they still play his music. 1.00
00:06:03.000 Yeah, and oddly enough, the Fairlight is part of some of those records. 0.99
00:06:09.000 Sure.
00:06:10.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:06:13.000 That's all those synthesizers we're talking about.
00:06:16.000 When did synthesizers come around?
00:06:18.000 Like, what was the first introduction?
00:06:20.000 Like, when did they hit modern music?
00:06:25.000 I'm having a brain fart. 1.00
00:06:30.000 Damn it. 1.00
00:06:32.000 It'll come. 1.00
00:06:35.000 There's a specific thing.
00:06:37.000 But there was sound manipulation that bands started introducing prior to that, right? 0.55
00:06:43.000 Hendrix started doing weird shit with pedals.
00:06:46.000 Yeah, you got a Mellotron, which is kind of recorded on tape, and it's looped, and you're playing the recorded sounds on these looping... 0.96
00:06:55.000 But that was still kind of analog.
00:06:57.000 And I'm having...
00:06:58.000 There's a specific keyboard, and I'm bad at that.
00:07:02.000 It must be the 56, bro.
00:07:04.000 Dude, I'm 53. I get it.
00:07:07.000 My brain is...
00:07:08.000 My memory is so inconsistent.
00:07:10.000 Like, sometimes it's amazing. 1.00
00:07:12.000 And sometimes it's just straight dog shit. 1.00
00:07:14.000 Like, people I've known for 10 years. 1.00
00:07:15.000 I can't remember their fucking name. 0.99
00:07:16.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.99
00:07:18.000 Things that I know what that thing is, and I can't fucking... 0.96
00:07:22.000 By the way, it's good to see George over here. 0.97
00:07:24.000 George?
00:07:25.000 George.
00:07:25.000 His name is Brian.
00:07:27.000 Oh, we should probably explain what's happened.
00:07:30.000 This almost didn't happen.
00:07:32.000 Young Jamie got the COVID. Young Jamie's got a new lady friend. 0.99
00:07:35.000 And the new lady friend wanted to go to a bar. 1.00
00:07:38.000 And young Jamie was like, okay. 0.99
00:07:40.000 So he went to a bar, and bars in Texas, they do not give a fuck out here. 0.98
00:07:45.000 They go outside, and they're on a patio, and they just drink like there's no COVID. And they're bumper to bumper with people, all partying down. 0.98
00:07:53.000 And a few days later, Jamie thought he had a sinus infection. 0.95
00:07:57.000 He was just all stuffed up and felt like shit, only for a day. 0.96
00:08:02.000 And then the next day, he started to feel better. 0.99
00:08:03.000 The day after that, he's like, ah, it can't be COVID. He's like, I know I have allergies.
00:08:07.000 He has allergies.
00:08:09.000 It's ragweed season, apparently.
00:08:11.000 Comes in, gets tested, and the only one we were concerned with was our employee Jeff, our friend Jeff.
00:08:18.000 And Jeff was actually...
00:08:20.000 I was fairly close to Jamie for a few minutes talking to him.
00:08:24.000 I never got any closer than 20 feet from him.
00:08:28.000 And most of the time, I was about 30 to 40 feet from him.
00:08:31.000 As soon as I found him, Jamie came in first and got tested first. 0.99
00:08:34.000 And as soon as I found out he didn't feel well, I stayed the fuck away from him. 0.95
00:08:38.000 I thought because I was in the room with him, maybe I would have to quarantine. 0.87
00:08:42.000 But the doctor said, how close were you?
00:08:43.000 And I was like, no closer than 20 feet.
00:08:45.000 He's like, you don't have to worry about it.
00:08:46.000 Just get tested every day.
00:08:47.000 Yeah.
00:08:48.000 So I'm three negative tests in a row.
00:08:50.000 So I'm 99.999% sure I'm good.
00:08:54.000 But Jeff, I'm a little worried about.
00:08:56.000 So Jeff's not here today. 0.99
00:08:58.000 Poor bastard. 0.99
00:08:59.000 But we almost didn't do it. 1.00
00:09:00.000 Because I thought the protocol was I was going to have to stay up.
00:09:04.000 But they said no.
00:09:04.000 They consider close contact six feet or closer for more than 15 minutes.
00:09:10.000 They're like really close.
00:09:11.000 Oh, that kind of close.
00:09:13.000 Yeah.
00:09:13.000 I wonder if you...
00:09:15.000 Do you get it from fucking? 1.00
00:09:16.000 Brian, you would know. 1.00
00:09:17.000 Yeah.
00:09:18.000 Absolutely, it's liquids.
00:09:19.000 That's how I got mine!
00:09:21.000 Did you?
00:09:21.000 Wow, amazing!
00:09:23.000 But you fucked so much, how would you know that's how you got it? 1.00
00:09:25.000 I fucked myself. 1.00
00:09:27.000 Oh! 1.00
00:09:29.000 Because you're not sure then.
00:09:33.000 So, anyway, we pulled it off, and we did do it.
00:09:36.000 So here we are. 0.99
00:09:37.000 The other thing that's coming out tomorrow is a tape where apparently Rudy Giuliani tries to fuck a 15-year-old. 1.00
00:09:43.000 Allegedly. 1.00
00:09:44.000 Allegedly.
00:09:45.000 Allegedly.
00:09:46.000 What's funny is, like, apparently his take on it, and again, he's older than us, so his memory's probably terrible, because it happened quite a while ago that they filmed this.
00:09:55.000 His take on it was that he was proud that they didn't get him the way they've got other people.
00:10:00.000 And the article that I was reading last night, it's...
00:10:05.000 Right.
00:10:13.000 Right.
00:10:24.000 Until we watch it, we won't be able to...
00:10:27.000 Yeah, so I'm excited tomorrow, but you had me at Borat's.
00:10:32.000 Yeah, I had Borat's.
00:10:33.000 I mean, listen, I still think Ali G in the house is one of the most underrated comedy films of all time.
00:10:40.000 It is good.
00:10:41.000 Especially if you like weed.
00:10:42.000 Yeah.
00:10:43.000 I wouldn't recommend it this month, Sober October, but when Sober October's over, Ali G in the house. 1.00
00:10:48.000 I actually bought a UK version of a VHS player because it was only available on VHS from the UK. Was it VHS or DVD? I think it was DVD. You're talking about the actual Ali G series?
00:11:04.000 No, it was a movie.
00:11:05.000 Oh yeah, that one too.
00:11:07.000 But even the series wasn't available over here for a long time.
00:11:10.000 For a long time.
00:11:10.000 You had to do the conversion.
00:11:11.000 But he had a movie.
00:11:12.000 You're right, Brian.
00:11:13.000 It was a DVD and it was in all regions.
00:11:16.000 I had to buy an all regions player.
00:11:18.000 Because players were limited to certain regions.
00:11:22.000 It was really weird.
00:11:23.000 I had that too.
00:11:24.000 Do you know what the science behind that is?
00:11:26.000 It was different frequencies, I think.
00:11:28.000 It was PAL versus...
00:11:29.000 NTSC. NTSC or something like that.
00:11:32.000 And some of them were universal.
00:11:33.000 They would play everything.
00:11:34.000 Yeah, some of the cheaper ones that you could buy at Fry's had a secret menu.
00:11:39.000 You could switch it back and forth.
00:11:40.000 Yeah, that was the key, right?
00:11:42.000 It was like a cheaper one.
00:11:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:11:44.000 So I had to buy one.
00:11:45.000 I literally bought a DVD player specifically for this film.
00:11:48.000 Me and Eddie Bravo got barbecued and we watched this and could not stop laughing. 0.98
00:11:53.000 It's a fucking hilarious movie. 1.00
00:11:54.000 It's really ridiculous. 1.00
00:11:56.000 So apparently that comes out tomorrow and Rudy Giuliani is allegedly trying to fuck a 15-year-old. 1.00
00:12:03.000 But it wasn't really a 15-year-old. 0.99
00:12:05.000 She was in her 20s.
00:12:21.000 I think they have to say that.
00:12:27.000 I want to know what the girl looked like. 1.00
00:12:29.000 Because they said she was playing a girl who was 15, but I believe she's like 25 or something like that.
00:12:34.000 How old is the gal? 1.00
00:12:37.000 Oh, here's the...
00:12:38.000 Oh, that's him with his hand down his pants!
00:12:42.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:12:44.000 Looking for Hunter Biden's laptop in there somewhere.
00:12:47.000 I guess he was saying he was tucking in his shirt, but...
00:12:50.000 Why would he do that, lying on the bed?
00:12:52.000 Imagine if that was him in your room, lying on the bed.
00:12:55.000 You'd be like, hey man, what are you doing?
00:12:57.000 Unless, like, you'd have to be a good friend.
00:12:59.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:12:59.000 Where they were so comfortable, they could lie on their bed and adjust their balls. 0.99
00:13:02.000 You know. 0.97
00:13:03.000 But if you just met a person, and you're lying on the bed with the hand on the Johnson...
00:13:08.000 Yeah.
00:13:09.000 Does he have sunglasses on, too?
00:13:10.000 He looks like.
00:13:11.000 He's on coke.
00:13:12.000 That's what I think.
00:13:13.000 He's probably smoking it.
00:13:15.000 He's smoking coke.
00:13:17.000 He's on Viagra.
00:13:19.000 This girl's touching him, too.
00:13:21.000 She's checking off his microphone, apparently.
00:13:23.000 Well, maybe he did have the wire tucked...
00:13:26.000 Because they do tuck him down your pants.
00:13:27.000 That is true.
00:13:29.000 Yeah.
00:13:29.000 I would like to see the film, the footage of it.
00:13:32.000 We're gonna.
00:13:32.000 Tomorrow.
00:13:33.000 Because that's the only thing that does make sense in his defense.
00:13:37.000 Because sometimes they put those things down your pants and you do gotta get in there to get the wire out.
00:13:43.000 If he's taking the microphone off.
00:13:46.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:13:47.000 He could also...
00:13:47.000 I don't know.
00:13:48.000 They just put mine back here, like drop it down my jacket and put it on the back here.
00:13:51.000 I don't know why he's putting it in his pants.
00:13:53.000 True.
00:13:54.000 That's true, too.
00:13:55.000 Yeah, why would you have it in the front?
00:13:57.000 He might have had it in the front pocket so he could sit down.
00:13:59.000 They often do that.
00:14:01.000 They'll put the mic in your front pocket as opposed to in your back, the back area, because when you sit down in a chair, that thing digs in your back.
00:14:09.000 I've had it in my front pocket before.
00:14:11.000 But the thing is, like, the gal...
00:14:15.000 See...
00:14:15.000 They're being pretty good about not showing her.
00:14:18.000 Yeah.
00:14:19.000 I want to know, like, did he know that she was supposed to be 15?
00:14:23.000 Or did he just think she was a girl?
00:14:24.000 Here's the thing.
00:14:25.000 If she is in her 20s, and this is all speculation, right?
00:14:30.000 If she is in her 20s and she's beautiful... 0.97
00:14:33.000 The problem is, he's gross and he's old.
00:14:36.000 And a beautiful girl, if she was, we'd have to see the footage, but if she was being flirtatious, he's helpless. 0.94
00:14:43.000 He's under a spell.
00:14:46.000 Nice. 0.99
00:14:46.000 Like an old, fucked up looking dude like that, if he thinks like, oh my god, this might, like that might be the last time in his life. 0.99
00:14:53.000 I'm going to have a heart attack tonight. 0.99
00:14:54.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:14:55.000 That a gal who's an attractive young gal decides to fuck a famous lawyer. 1.00
00:15:01.000 But a dude in his position has to know that that's coming. 0.99
00:15:05.000 That a setup is coming?
00:15:07.000 A setup's coming.
00:15:07.000 Maybe not anymore.
00:15:08.000 Maybe he forgot.
00:15:10.000 Like he's old, dude. 0.58
00:15:11.000 Yeah.
00:15:12.000 You know?
00:15:13.000 Yeah.
00:15:13.000 I mean, you gotta think.
00:15:14.000 Not only that, but he's been under this tremendous stress of being a top lawyer for the most fucked up administration in the history of the United States. 0.99
00:15:22.000 So it's like just the legal shit he's been battling back and forth. 0.99
00:15:27.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:15:28.000 It's a shit show. 1.00
00:15:28.000 It's a shit show! 1.00
00:15:30.000 His brain's probably hosed. 1.00
00:15:31.000 And he's probably in this hotel room going, oh, the universe is throwing me a bone. 0.59
00:15:36.000 Oh, yes!
00:15:37.000 Yes, it is.
00:15:38.000 Oh, yes!
00:15:39.000 A big old bone.
00:15:41.000 Just not for you to chew on.
00:15:43.000 The hits never stop.
00:15:45.000 It just never stops.
00:15:46.000 Every time you think, well, the world's going to be normal today.
00:15:49.000 I mean, we've gotten it all out of the way.
00:15:52.000 Nope.
00:15:52.000 No.
00:15:52.000 New thing.
00:15:53.000 Arizona's now spiking in supposed cases of COVID. Are they?
00:15:57.000 Yeah.
00:15:58.000 They were spiking for a while, but it was young folks, and it wasn't an issue.
00:16:04.000 It was like young folks were getting it, but the deaths were very low.
00:16:07.000 You had a bad case, right?
00:16:09.000 I didn't have a bad...
00:16:10.000 Yes and no.
00:16:11.000 A medium bad case.
00:16:13.000 So it was one of those, you know, I'm in Australia.
00:16:15.000 We went out to dinner with my buddy Todd Fox and Chris...
00:16:21.000 And immediately food didn't taste right.
00:16:23.000 But this is all hindsight, right?
00:16:25.000 I didn't know at the time.
00:16:26.000 We didn't know that these are the things you're looking for.
00:16:30.000 What month was this?
00:16:32.000 February.
00:16:33.000 Oh, this is early.
00:16:35.000 So nobody knew what to tell you.
00:16:38.000 I immediately was sick.
00:16:40.000 Then I had to get out on international flight the next morning, fly to New Zealand.
00:16:44.000 Oh, you're a super spreader.
00:16:46.000 Yeah, I'm a super spreader.
00:16:47.000 You brought it to New Zealand.
00:16:48.000 I brought it.
00:16:49.000 I brought it.
00:16:50.000 It was in me.
00:16:52.000 And I put it in you.
00:16:53.000 So we got there.
00:16:54.000 I was like four days in the hotel because we had four days off before the shows.
00:16:59.000 So I was just drinking water, hot showers, taking care of myself, hot tea, just trying to get through it. 0.86
00:17:05.000 And it sucked.
00:17:07.000 But you didn't know yet how bad this thing could have been. 0.96
00:17:11.000 If I didn't know how bad it could have been, I would have been freaking out.
00:17:16.000 That's interesting, right?
00:17:17.000 So we isolated pretty well.
00:17:19.000 Like, you know, I wore a mask.
00:17:20.000 I grabbed a mask, you know, before I even got on the plane.
00:17:24.000 Because I just instinctually, like, just having, you know, friends that are, you know, going to Taiwan and going to Japan.
00:17:30.000 Like, you just see the mask.
00:17:31.000 Like, okay, I'm probably just going to wear the mask.
00:17:33.000 So this was pre-awareness of COVID? Well, no, it was happening.
00:17:38.000 But you didn't connect the dots?
00:17:40.000 You didn't think you had COVID? I asked the doctor when I got to New Zealand, do you think this is COVID? He's like, did you have a fever?
00:17:46.000 I'm like, I don't remember if I had a fever.
00:17:48.000 Well, then you don't have COVID. Okay.
00:17:52.000 Doctors are cocky sometimes, man.
00:17:54.000 Yeah, so I got through that.
00:17:57.000 I was able to do the show.
00:17:58.000 I didn't close my throat down enough that I would have to cancel.
00:18:03.000 Then the next shows were going to be in the Northwest.
00:18:06.000 How hard was it to sing?
00:18:07.000 It was not fun.
00:18:09.000 It was not fun.
00:18:09.000 We had to kind of adjust the set around a little bit.
00:18:12.000 Don't put the hard ones in.
00:18:13.000 I got to Hawaii to go train with Luis and some of the guys there.
00:18:19.000 Chad was a Muay Thai instructor.
00:18:23.000 I'm starting to do the Muay Thai and I'm like, dude, this hurts.
00:18:27.000 My hands have never hurt this bad. 0.91
00:18:30.000 I thought maybe I sprained them because right after I recovered in New Zealand, I went and trained in New Zealand, thinking, I'm just going to fucking gut it out. 0.93
00:18:38.000 I'm going to walk it off, rub some dirt on it.
00:18:41.000 And I felt okay then, but when I finally got to Maui, I'm like, This is not right.
00:18:49.000 This hurts. 0.92
00:18:50.000 I can't fucking do this. 0.99
00:18:51.000 I thought, well, maybe I should spray my wrist. 0.99
00:18:52.000 So months go by, they're not healing.
00:18:55.000 I'm going through harvest at this point, and they're not healing up.
00:18:59.000 Who should explain harvest?
00:19:00.000 Your winery?
00:19:01.000 Winery, yeah.
00:19:02.000 So getting into the grapes.
00:19:03.000 But I finally went to a doctor.
00:19:10.000 Arthritis doctor.
00:19:11.000 And he was like, okay, so walk me through when you first saw the da-da-da. 0.91
00:19:14.000 And I started walking him through everything.
00:19:16.000 He goes, you had COVID. And some of the side effects that you find are that inflammation.
00:19:25.000 So whatever, I guess.
00:19:27.000 So it's some kind of a rheumatoid response.
00:19:29.000 That alone would be, well, maybe I'm just 56 and I have arthritis, but my blood work was completely clean everywhere else.
00:19:36.000 No other issues anywhere else in my body, but just the wrists explaining that.
00:19:41.000 But I still have the cough.
00:19:42.000 So whatever cough I had, whatever cough I got in New Zealand, like every other day, I'll have a coughing fit for, you know, for 10 minutes.
00:19:51.000 Really?
00:19:52.000 I'm coughing up stuff.
00:19:53.000 So I have lung damage from...
00:19:55.000 Still.
00:19:57.000 Still every other day now?
00:19:59.000 Yeah.
00:20:00.000 Now, when you train, is your cardio diminished?
00:20:02.000 Yeah.
00:20:03.000 How much?
00:20:05.000 A, my motivation is diminished because I'm trying to do stuff and My hands hurt.
00:20:12.000 Still?
00:20:12.000 Not anymore.
00:20:13.000 Now that I'm on medication.
00:20:15.000 What medication did they put you on?
00:20:17.000 Methotrexate.
00:20:18.000 You're on meth?
00:20:20.000 I'm smoking meth to get through it.
00:20:22.000 You look great.
00:20:24.000 Thank you.
00:20:25.000 I lost a lot of weight.
00:20:25.000 Most meth heads, they get sketchy.
00:20:28.000 It's much easier to push that second helping away now with the meth.
00:20:32.000 Right.
00:20:32.000 You get no appetite.
00:20:34.000 But no, methotrexate, which is not fun to be on, but my wrists have cleared up.
00:20:40.000 Now I'm back to doing stuff.
00:20:42.000 What is methotrexate normally?
00:20:45.000 It's for rheumatoid arthritis, but it's basically a chemotherapy.
00:20:50.000 Whoa! 0.71
00:20:51.000 Have you tried CBD? I'm on CBD. Yeah.
00:20:54.000 No.
00:20:54.000 Have you tried CBD without the methotrexate stuff?
00:20:58.000 No, no.
00:20:59.000 The methotrexate goes for about, it's like a, you know, I've done it for now 10 weeks.
00:21:05.000 I have another five weeks supposedly I'm going to do, but I'm going to continue the CBD after that.
00:21:11.000 How much CBD are you taking a day?
00:21:13.000 A dropper?
00:21:14.000 Just one?
00:21:15.000 Yeah.
00:21:15.000 I take a thousand milligrams a day.
00:21:18.000 It's a high dose, but I find...
00:21:21.000 How big is that?
00:21:22.000 It's a lot of droppers.
00:21:24.000 Okay.
00:21:25.000 It depends on...
00:21:26.000 I use CBDMD, and I forget...
00:21:30.000 I think it's the 1300 milligram dropper.
00:21:33.000 I forget how many droppers I have to do it to hit a thousand a day, but that seems to be the magic number.
00:21:42.000 It's kind of like turf toe, but it's from kicking.
00:21:45.000 I have some pretty intense pain sometimes in my big toe, particularly after a hard heavy bag workout.
00:21:54.000 Yesterday I had it pretty bad.
00:21:55.000 But man, I'll take the CBD and now today, I'm bending my toe right now on the ground, there's no pain at all.
00:22:02.000 And it's amazing. 0.89
00:22:05.000 I fucking love it. 0.92
00:22:07.000 I love it for anxiety, I love it just for relaxation, but I really love it for joint pain. 0.98
00:22:15.000 I think CBD is just...
00:22:17.000 I can't sing its praises enough.
00:22:19.000 I've had so many friends that have had like real joint problems, like real pain, and then the CBD just completely takes it away.
00:22:26.000 I've had a friend's dog.
00:22:27.000 The dog was having a really hard time walking, like walk with a limp.
00:22:31.000 He gives the dog CBD and like two hours later the dog's like up and moving around and he's like, this is crazy.
00:22:37.000 Listening to Cheek and Chong records.
00:22:39.000 Getting high, just chilling.
00:22:41.000 Dave Foley had pretty bad arthritis in his hands to the point where he couldn't straighten his fingers out.
00:22:46.000 Got on CBD and now his hands are just mobile again.
00:22:52.000 Stuff's legit.
00:22:53.000 It's just that and adjusting the diet are the two main things.
00:22:58.000 That's what I noticed.
00:22:59.000 This flares up when I have more than a glass of wine and some gluten in the dinner.
00:23:05.000 Then it flares up.
00:23:06.000 So it's connected. 1.00
00:23:08.000 That goddamn gluten. 1.00
00:23:09.000 There's something about it. 1.00
00:23:12.000 But you, your restaurant, you use heirloom pasta though, don't you?
00:23:15.000 We were.
00:23:16.000 I mean, it's 50-50.
00:23:18.000 It's commercial flour with, because we're finding that it's not holding up like you expect pasta to hold up.
00:23:25.000 In what way?
00:23:26.000 In the texture?
00:23:26.000 Yeah, just texture doesn't hold, so we're doing a blend of the heirloom along with commercial.
00:23:32.000 That's interesting.
00:23:32.000 It doesn't hold up.
00:23:34.000 But in Italy, they use the heirloom wheat, right?
00:23:38.000 No?
00:23:39.000 Not necessarily not.
00:23:40.000 Really?
00:23:40.000 They're getting a lot of Arizona...
00:23:41.000 There's a lot of Arizona wheat in the stuff you get from Italy.
00:23:45.000 Really?
00:23:46.000 Yeah, because the commodity...
00:23:47.000 That hard winter wheat that we grow is a great blender because they bring all the wheat, they get it together, and they send it to Italy.
00:23:53.000 They blend it.
00:23:54.000 They pick their mix and they blend it.
00:23:56.000 So they actually sell our wheat back to us in the form of great Italian flour.
00:24:01.000 But it's actually grown in the United States.
00:24:03.000 That's interesting.
00:24:04.000 When I go over there, even though I eat pasta almost every day, when I used to be able to go over there, I didn't get bloated.
00:24:11.000 But if I eat pasta here, I just get thick.
00:24:14.000 Well, there's so many other little things that are going on around it.
00:24:17.000 So you're probably over there.
00:24:20.000 For the average traveler, you're in a foreign country.
00:24:24.000 It's magical.
00:24:26.000 You're walking around more.
00:24:28.000 There's lots of stairs.
00:24:31.000 You're eating dinner.
00:24:33.000 Probably earlier in the day or whatever, but you're still walking around.
00:24:36.000 Your activities are increased and the wines you're having are probably nicer quality wines.
00:24:42.000 So all that stuff ends up being a better experience for you so your body's not reacting in a way.
00:24:48.000 Over here, you're like, eh, maybe I won't go for the walk.
00:24:53.000 Maybe I'll drink more than I should.
00:24:55.000 I like what you're saying, but no.
00:24:57.000 Not me. 1.00
00:24:58.000 Over here, I work out like a fucking terrorist. 1.00
00:25:01.000 And over there, I barely work out at all. 1.00
00:25:04.000 I'm getting hammered every day.
00:25:06.000 I'm eating until I literally can't stick another ravioli in my face.
00:25:12.000 No, that's not what's going on.
00:25:14.000 I don't know what's going on.
00:25:15.000 I'm definitely walking around quite a bit, but I work out.
00:25:19.000 I'm just always doing something here.
00:25:21.000 Yeah.
00:25:21.000 I don't know what it is.
00:25:23.000 I don't know.
00:25:24.000 I don't know what the difference is, honestly.
00:25:26.000 Because I'd always thought it was the heirloom wheat.
00:25:28.000 And there's a type of wheat, you would know this.
00:25:31.000 What is it?
00:25:31.000 Zero, zero?
00:25:32.000 Yeah, TIPO zero.
00:25:34.000 TIPO zero, zero.
00:25:35.000 So it's on the bag, it actually says TIPO, T-I-P-O. And then a zero zero.
00:25:41.000 And that's a very fine ground white flour.
00:25:45.000 And you normally for pastas, you're blending that with semolina flour.
00:25:48.000 So it's usually about a two-thirds to one-third ratio.
00:25:52.000 And semolina is the Arizona hardy?
00:25:55.000 No, no.
00:25:55.000 Semolina is just another version of what you're putting in that pasta to make those glutens stick together.
00:26:02.000 So that's to give it like a bite?
00:26:04.000 So it has a chew to it?
00:26:05.000 Yeah.
00:26:07.000 I don't remember the brand, but I buy this particular spaghetti that's just goddamn delicious, and it's from Italy, and it's that zero-zero flour.
00:26:18.000 And it's just such a good pasta.
00:26:20.000 And that has a better effect on me than if I buy a standard American brand.
00:26:28.000 Yeah, so if you're buying dried pasta in the States and making your food out of the dried pasta, you'll probably have a lot better results if you actually made your own fresh flour pasta.
00:26:41.000 Of sure, right?
00:26:41.000 Yeah.
00:26:43.000 Yeah, fresh pasta is the shit. 1.00
00:26:46.000 It's such a different taste, right? 1.00
00:26:48.000 Yeah.
00:26:48.000 I like pasta, period.
00:26:50.000 But fresh pasta?
00:26:52.000 Have you ever been to Felix in Venice?
00:26:54.000 No.
00:26:55.000 Good lord.
00:26:56.000 Next time you're there, you must.
00:26:57.000 I brought you stuff.
00:26:58.000 What'd you bring?
00:26:58.000 I brought you stuff.
00:26:59.000 What'd you bring?
00:27:01.000 Felix in Venice is a must-go-to restaurant.
00:27:05.000 We're going to get to this other one in a minute.
00:27:07.000 Shout out to Janet and Evan.
00:27:09.000 You heard me talk about Todd Fox.
00:27:11.000 This is another book he just wrote.
00:27:15.000 It's like personal protection, family protection book.
00:27:18.000 Awesome.
00:27:18.000 We'll get to that in a minute.
00:27:19.000 Okay.
00:27:21.000 You come prepared. 1.00
00:27:22.000 You don't fuck around. 1.00
00:27:23.000 You have t-shirts. 1.00
00:27:25.000 That looks like a cooler.
00:27:26.000 Is that a cooler?
00:27:27.000 Yeah.
00:27:27.000 Yeah, this is your cooler.
00:27:28.000 These are your t-shirts.
00:27:30.000 But I brought you our olives.
00:27:33.000 Ooh, olives.
00:27:35.000 A couple wine glasses.
00:27:37.000 I realize at this studio we don't have your tarantula hawk.
00:27:40.000 That's at the old studio.
00:27:41.000 We must bring it back.
00:27:42.000 I'm leaving.
00:27:43.000 We will have it.
00:27:44.000 I'm just going to leave it.
00:27:44.000 Do not worry.
00:27:45.000 What is this?
00:27:46.000 What are these beverages?
00:27:48.000 Cider.
00:27:48.000 Is this alcoholic?
00:27:50.000 Yep.
00:27:50.000 I can't drink it right now.
00:27:51.000 I know.
00:27:51.000 I have to wait.
00:27:52.000 It's November.
00:27:54.000 So sparkling cider, sparkling mead, sparkling white wine.
00:27:58.000 Sparkling mead?
00:27:59.000 Yeah.
00:27:59.000 Is it made with honey?
00:28:00.000 Yeah.
00:28:01.000 Whoa.
00:28:01.000 I've never had that.
00:28:03.000 No, you will.
00:28:03.000 What is that like?
00:28:04.000 I always read about that in the Conan books.
00:28:06.000 It's great.
00:28:07.000 It makes you want to, you know, crush your enemies. 0.91
00:28:11.000 Crush your enemies. 0.80
00:28:13.000 See them jumping before you. 0.99
00:28:15.000 The laminations of the women. 0.91
00:28:16.000 Of the women.
00:28:17.000 Yeah.
00:28:19.000 So these are for you.
00:28:20.000 Now, are these things that you are making?
00:28:22.000 Yeah, these are all, these are pusser for wine.
00:28:25.000 Have you, when did you start doing that?
00:28:28.000 Beers and meads.
00:28:30.000 A year and a half ago.
00:28:30.000 Really?
00:28:31.000 Yeah.
00:28:31.000 What was the motivation behind that?
00:28:33.000 I mean, you were busy enough with your fucking wine and your food and your restaurants and your music and your three bands and your... 0.99
00:28:38.000 Right. 1.00
00:28:39.000 Jesus.
00:28:39.000 I got bored.
00:28:41.000 So I decided to take it up a notch.
00:28:44.000 You're a legit workaholic, my friend.
00:28:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:28:48.000 So that's for you.
00:28:49.000 Thank you very much.
00:28:50.000 I'll leave it over here for you somewhere.
00:28:52.000 I will send a photograph when I'm drinking it on November 1st.
00:28:55.000 Because this is for your marijuana cigarettes.
00:28:57.000 Oh, dude!
00:28:58.000 You won't be able to fit your bongs in here.
00:29:01.000 I don't use the bongs anymore.
00:29:02.000 The long bong won't fit.
00:29:04.000 Ooh, that's a dope box, though.
00:29:06.000 But this is for your marijuana cigarettes.
00:29:09.000 Or your mushrooms, as it were.
00:29:11.000 That's a legit lunchbox.
00:29:14.000 Yeah.
00:29:15.000 I had a lunchbox.
00:29:16.000 My last lunchbox I had was in the 7th grade or 8th grade.
00:29:22.000 I moved to a bad neighborhood and I realized you can't bring lunchboxes to school or kids get very upset with you.
00:29:31.000 This is for you as well.
00:29:32.000 This is Todd's new book, Protection For and From Humanity.
00:29:37.000 And I'll let you read up on that.
00:29:39.000 For and from?
00:29:39.000 Yeah, so he's the one that got me into doing the Muay Thai stuff.
00:29:43.000 And now for his book, this is kind of his promotional item he's doing with the book is fucking gloves. 0.96
00:29:50.000 He's making his own gloves? 0.99
00:29:51.000 Yeah, he's having them made, I'm sure.
00:29:53.000 Who makes these for him?
00:29:54.000 I don't know.
00:29:54.000 Find out.
00:29:55.000 Oh, okay.
00:29:57.000 Nice.
00:29:57.000 You like these?
00:29:59.000 Yeah.
00:29:59.000 Now, you've only been doing Muay Thai for how long now?
00:30:02.000 Not even a year.
00:30:03.000 And no problems with the hip?
00:30:06.000 No, I mean, there's a weird shift that happens in the hip.
00:30:10.000 I got one of those little hammer thingies, you know, the little electric massager things.
00:30:16.000 Yeah.
00:30:17.000 So, that's weird, right?
00:30:19.000 No.
00:30:20.000 Those are good.
00:30:21.000 Theragons.
00:30:22.000 Yeah, so what happens is if I go a little too far, what's happening is my hip joint kind of just shifts forward a little bit and starts pinching something.
00:30:31.000 And I'll just stand on my left foot, use that hammer, grrrr, on the hip.
00:30:35.000 Done.
00:30:35.000 We're fine.
00:30:36.000 Dude, you're a robot.
00:30:37.000 Get back to work.
00:30:38.000 You're kind of a cyborg now.
00:30:39.000 Kind of a cyborg.
00:30:40.000 A little bit.
00:30:40.000 Now, did they give you a full hip replacement or is it just resurfacing?
00:30:44.000 Full hip.
00:30:45.000 Wow.
00:30:45.000 Yeah.
00:30:46.000 What is the...
00:30:48.000 John Wayne Parr just got a hip resurfacing and there's videos of him 12 weeks after surgery kicking the pads.
00:30:59.000 They were telling me, I can't remember specifically, but I want to say it was three months before I actually got back on the mats.
00:31:06.000 They were like, you're not going to want to do that for six months, but you can probably start getting back and doing some things in three months.
00:31:12.000 That's 12 weeks.
00:31:13.000 And of course, nine weeks.
00:31:15.000 You have to get a little itchy and you want to get out there and do stuff.
00:31:18.000 So yeah.
00:31:19.000 So you slowly moved around a little bit.
00:31:21.000 Yeah, if you're doing just some basic positional drills and just doing that kind of stuff, you're fine.
00:31:27.000 But, you know, sparring is a, you know, then you're...
00:31:29.000 Heavy loads. 1.00
00:31:30.000 Then you're being a dumbass. 0.99
00:31:31.000 Yeah, it's the one where they hack off the top of the hip bone, they put a fake top, and then they screw it deep into the bone. 1.00
00:31:41.000 And that kind of has to stay with you forever.
00:31:43.000 Yep.
00:31:44.000 Because they can't really do that again, right?
00:31:46.000 Nope.
00:31:47.000 That's it.
00:31:48.000 Yikes.
00:31:49.000 Done.
00:31:49.000 But I have a weapon, so if something happens, as long as I can balance on one foot, I can pull this thing out.
00:31:56.000 It's like a big blade in the middle of my bone, and I can jam it into your juggler.
00:32:00.000 Right, like those canes that turn into a sword?
00:32:03.000 Yes.
00:32:03.000 Or umbrellas?
00:32:04.000 Don't recommend it. 0.96
00:32:07.000 The pain that you must have been in to agree to do that had to be pretty goddamn substantial.
00:32:13.000 Yeah, well the guy said like, and it was a lot of stomping on stage that did it. 0.81
00:32:16.000 I pretty much damaged my right hip, not my left, because I did a lot of stomping with my right foot.
00:32:21.000 Did you feel pain while you were stomping?
00:32:23.000 No, it was like, you know, years late.
00:32:25.000 That's like, you know, a decade or more of doing that.
00:32:27.000 And then I just thought that I was being a wimp.
00:32:31.000 That I wasn't, you know, healing or I didn't push through it or whatever.
00:32:36.000 Or I wasn't working out enough.
00:32:38.000 But when they actually got in there like, dude, you have like a gobstopper for a hip.
00:32:43.000 So there's no padding.
00:32:45.000 There's nothing.
00:32:46.000 It's like a mangled chunk of pumice.
00:32:49.000 So all of the...
00:32:50.000 Gone.
00:32:51.000 Yeah.
00:32:51.000 Gone.
00:32:51.000 It was just like...
00:32:53.000 All the cartilage chewed up.
00:32:55.000 There was no possible hope for stem cells?
00:33:00.000 No, they were like, just take that off the table.
00:33:05.000 You've had this like this for seven years, minimum.
00:33:09.000 About the damage that was on the...
00:33:11.000 On the ball joint, they were like, this is...
00:33:14.000 We're surprised you weren't in here sooner.
00:33:16.000 Really?
00:33:16.000 Yeah.
00:33:17.000 And were you limping at all when you were walking?
00:33:19.000 Yeah.
00:33:19.000 It was just all of a sudden fire off and I couldn't walk.
00:33:22.000 Because I remember you saying you were doing drills and you couldn't move your hip right and you thought you had like a hip impingement or something.
00:33:28.000 No, it was just...
00:33:29.000 I didn't have a hip.
00:33:33.000 God.
00:33:34.000 Yeah, good times.
00:33:35.000 Michael Bisping just got both of his knees replaced.
00:33:37.000 Ouch.
00:33:38.000 He's like 43, I believe.
00:33:40.000 Yeah.
00:33:41.000 I don't think he's much older than that.
00:33:42.000 But he's had some monsters kicking them, so...
00:33:45.000 There's that, but it's also running.
00:33:47.000 He runs a lot.
00:33:48.000 Okay, yeah.
00:33:49.000 I ran in high school quite a bit.
00:33:50.000 And he runs on the concrete, I believe.
00:33:53.000 I don't know where he runs, but I know he's got a love of running.
00:33:55.000 They have concrete in a lot of places, so it could be anywhere.
00:33:58.000 Could be.
00:33:59.000 It could be anywhere.
00:34:00.000 Yes.
00:34:01.000 But, you know, when you see a guy who's in his early 40s getting his knees completely replaced, that's terrifying.
00:34:11.000 So what do you think went on with...
00:34:13.000 Is there something similar with bone structure and those kind of replacements that happened with Anderson Silva's shin?
00:34:21.000 Or was it just battered?
00:34:23.000 No, he just checked.
00:34:26.000 When Weidman checked it, he most likely cracked it on the first one, and then the second one he threw it again and just snapped it in half.
00:34:34.000 But I mean after.
00:34:35.000 So after he healed and then he went back out and he started having some leg problems like a year later, even though it was healed, like it just wasn't healed enough?
00:34:43.000 It takes a long time to heal a fracture like that.
00:34:45.000 When a bone snaps in half.
00:34:47.000 You remember Frank Mir, when Frank Mir got hit by a car?
00:34:49.000 He was on his motorcycle, he got hit by a car.
00:34:51.000 He was not the same for years.
00:34:53.000 He tried to fight again.
00:34:55.000 I think it was like a year and a half-ish later after the accident, he wasn't the same.
00:35:00.000 It took quite a long time for the old...
00:35:03.000 And maybe, you know, you'd have to ask him.
00:35:05.000 Maybe he never really was the same again.
00:35:07.000 But just something about leg bones when they snap.
00:35:10.000 First of all, you've got to think you can't put any weight on them for a long time.
00:35:13.000 So you've got all this atrophy.
00:35:15.000 So all the tissue around it, atrophies.
00:35:17.000 And that's got to rebuild.
00:35:19.000 So you've got to rebuild that while you're also...
00:35:22.000 Trying to make sure that the bone is fully recovered and while you're pushing it, who knows what kind of damage you're going to do to the tendons and the ligaments.
00:35:31.000 It takes a long time. 0.91
00:35:33.000 Unless you're doing some shit, unless you're on some steroids, it takes a long time to build that muscle back up as well. 0.99
00:35:38.000 So there's a lot going on there. 0.98
00:35:40.000 In a way, it's not the opposite, but for the hip replacement, they had us walking within an hour.
00:35:47.000 As soon as you wake up, they have you walking.
00:35:51.000 Yeah, that is a weird one.
00:35:53.000 Graham Hancock was in here, not here, the other place, six weeks after hip replacement.
00:35:59.000 He was walking around.
00:36:00.000 And I was like, that is, you're walking like normal.
00:36:03.000 This is crazy.
00:36:04.000 Yeah, they just make sure you start walking to make sure that you minimize the amount of atrophy.
00:36:12.000 I know Anderson got his knee blown out.
00:36:14.000 I think it was Jared Cannoneer in that fight. 0.97
00:36:17.000 But Cannoneer hit so fucking hard. 0.68
00:36:20.000 That could have happened at any point in time in his career. 0.97
00:36:23.000 It's amazing more guys don't have their knees blown out by leg kicks.
00:36:27.000 You know now, doing Muay Thai, if someone kicks your leg, I'm sure if...
00:36:31.000 I don't know.
00:36:32.000 Anthony Harden over at the...
00:36:34.000 That guy's terrifying.
00:36:36.000 Jesus, dude. 0.94
00:36:36.000 We've got video of some dude going, seriously, just kick my leg. 0.94
00:36:40.000 I want to see what this is all about.
00:36:42.000 And Anthony's like, you don't want that. 0.87
00:36:43.000 Seriously, kick my leg. 1.00
00:36:45.000 It's like a guy crying. 0.91
00:36:46.000 He's on the ground crying. 0.99
00:36:47.000 Anthony's like, you fucking asked me to do that. 0.99
00:36:49.000 I don't know what you... 0.99
00:36:51.000 But he's so big.
00:36:53.000 Hardock was big for a heavyweight. 0.99
00:36:54.000 I mean, he's a thick fucking Dutchman. 1.00
00:36:57.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:36:57.000 Conk. 1.00
00:36:58.000 Yeah.
00:36:59.000 Those shins to the thigh, it's one of the most underrated pains. 0.74
00:37:05.000 Yeah.
00:37:05.000 It's terrifying to ask a guy to do that.
00:37:09.000 I'm going to pursue that a little bit.
00:37:12.000 I'm not going to ever use it for anything, but I just like that next level of awareness of...
00:37:20.000 Striking awareness?
00:37:22.000 Yeah.
00:37:22.000 But the one thing I haven't done is I haven't gotten with an instructor to go, just teach me how to not get hit.
00:37:28.000 Just that awareness of seeing what's coming and starting to understand the sequence of events that are going to lead up to that strike.
00:37:35.000 Then you have, of course, in the UFC of unconventional strikers that are going to come at you from angles you didn't expect.
00:37:42.000 Right.
00:37:42.000 But in general, and not really because I want to get in a fight, just because I want to have that extra part of my brain exercised just to action-reaction.
00:37:51.000 I know.
00:37:52.000 It's funny.
00:37:52.000 If you say, I want to learn how to play piano, someone doesn't say, what are you going to play in concerts?
00:37:58.000 They don't say that, but if you say, I want to learn Muay Thai, like, oh, are you going to fight?
00:38:02.000 Tomorrow!
00:38:03.000 I would just like to learn it.
00:38:04.000 It's a skill.
00:38:07.000 It's like, you know, I'd like to learn how to do a back handspring.
00:38:10.000 I'd like to learn how to do a lot of things.
00:38:12.000 Right.
00:38:13.000 It just seems like a cool thing to learn.
00:38:14.000 But that's one of those things, if you even say you want to learn it, people are like, why do you want to learn that?
00:38:20.000 Are you going to fight people?
00:38:22.000 Right.
00:38:22.000 Like, no, it's an interesting thing.
00:38:24.000 First of all, it's cool.
00:38:26.000 Right.
00:38:26.000 And it's an interesting thing to know.
00:38:29.000 So your coach doesn't work with you on defense?
00:38:32.000 I don't really have a coach.
00:38:33.000 You don't?
00:38:34.000 Because it was just Todd was kind of – he and I were the ones going around the world and training with insane instructors, really good coaches.
00:38:44.000 So you get – Oh, so he's a practitioner, but he's not a coach.
00:38:48.000 Well, Todd's a black belt under Rodrigo Fagi for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
00:38:52.000 But he and I caught the bug before I caught the bug.
00:38:56.000 He made me catch the bug.
00:38:59.000 So, you know, with his connections traveling all the time as he did, he would have insane instructors.
00:39:06.000 And then this instructor would introduce you to that instructor when you go into that town.
00:39:11.000 So we had great, you know, it was really cool to meet these people.
00:39:14.000 But the problem that I was having was, you know, when you're trying to have Carlos Condit teach you how to do something, he's like four feet taller than I am.
00:39:23.000 And like, it doesn't, what he does isn't necessarily going to translate to me.
00:39:28.000 So you could see him struggling to go...
00:39:31.000 How do I explain this to you as a midget? 1.00
00:39:33.000 How do I make this work for you? 0.81
00:39:36.000 Because it works for me because I have length and I have an entire history of being a badass.
00:39:41.000 Well, a lot of the ties are very short. 0.97
00:39:43.000 Yeah, so that's why I love when you get to someplace like New Zealand, it has short people beating fuckers up. 0.99
00:39:50.000 It's great. 0.99
00:39:51.000 And they're my height.
00:39:52.000 So I got a lot more out of that stuff in Australia and New Zealand.
00:39:58.000 Have you been to Thailand?
00:40:00.000 No, have not yet been.
00:40:01.000 That would be a move.
00:40:02.000 Once everything opens up, go there and do some training there.
00:40:06.000 There's a lot of people that go to Phuket because they have it set up where you could stay there, you could train there.
00:40:12.000 One of my business managers went there.
00:40:14.000 He spent six days there.
00:40:16.000 Just doing nothing but training.
00:40:18.000 Just enjoying it.
00:40:19.000 Going there and working out with real Thai coaches every day.
00:40:23.000 Guys who barely speak English.
00:40:25.000 They've had 300 fights.
00:40:27.000 And they'll show you how to do everything old-school Thai, you know, classic Muay Thai stance.
00:40:32.000 I think we did that in Copenhagen.
00:40:33.000 We went to an awesome gym there.
00:40:35.000 This guy barely spoke English, but he could still instruct you because, you know, he's pointing and grunting.
00:40:43.000 Yeah.
00:40:44.000 Also, you mirror.
00:40:45.000 You see how they do it.
00:40:47.000 They'll say, look, look, look!
00:40:48.000 And then they'll do it, and you're like, okay. 0.99
00:40:50.000 But you feel so dumb. 0.77
00:40:52.000 When you watch someone who's really good at Muay Thai, it's so effortless. 0.98
00:40:56.000 It's so graceful.
00:40:58.000 It's a really interesting art form, because there's really only a few kicks.
00:41:03.000 They just got it down to mostly roundhouse kicks, a couple of side kicks, teeps, front kicks.
00:41:10.000 That's about it. 0.81
00:41:11.000 Everything else is like, unless they're going to do a cartwheel kick or some Sanchai shit, they're learning that from other people who are just playing around and having fun.
00:41:19.000 But the art itself, when it comes down to the kicking, but because they have that, they've got it down to this smoothness and the efficiency.
00:41:29.000 Yeah.
00:41:30.000 Yeah, the part that's really eluded me is that because I don't have enough hours in doing it, I don't really have the, like, you know, French have the liaison of this word kind of slides into that word.
00:41:41.000 That transition of understanding you can't throw that kick because you didn't do the thing before that set you up in the position to be in a position to throw that kick.
00:41:49.000 Right.
00:41:49.000 So that kind of stuff is very interesting and complicated and in a way kind of just, I stop.
00:41:56.000 I'm like, I'm in my head too much going, okay, wait a minute.
00:41:59.000 I always equate it to like a vocabulary.
00:42:01.000 If you talk to someone who's very articulate, they have a lot of words at their disposal.
00:42:05.000 They have a deep understanding of how the language works.
00:42:09.000 Whereas if you talk to a child, they can say some things, but it's kind of crude.
00:42:14.000 And that's how most people are when it comes to martial arts.
00:42:18.000 In the beginning, in particular, you're basically like a child.
00:42:22.000 You're crude, clumsy with your words.
00:42:25.000 Whereas you talk to a master, you know, someone like Buakau or something like that.
00:42:30.000 There's the fluency, the fluidity, the efficiency of the movements.
00:42:35.000 It's just such a beautiful thing to watch.
00:42:37.000 Always in the right position.
00:42:40.000 One of my favorites, for sure.
00:42:42.000 Have you ever watched Giorgio Petrosian fight?
00:42:44.000 No.
00:42:45.000 Oh my god, you gotta watch that guy fight.
00:42:47.000 He is...
00:42:48.000 I may have.
00:42:49.000 Todd was always sending me videos of, dude, you gotta watch this guy fight.
00:42:53.000 So he most likely has sent me videos of that.
00:42:56.000 Petrosian at one point in time, when he was 23, I think he was 43-0.
00:43:01.000 And like some 35 knockouts or something like that. 0.75
00:43:04.000 By the time he was 23, he'd beaten a shitload of world Muay Thai champions.
00:43:09.000 If you have the UFC Fight Pass, UFC Fight Pass is great because it has not just UFC fights, but it has a shitload of other promotions, including It's Showtime.
00:43:20.000 It's Showtime goes way back to like the early 2000s, like 20 years ago.
00:43:26.000 And its showtime was the precursor to Glory.
00:43:31.000 Okay.
00:43:31.000 I am.
00:43:32.000 I'm wearing a Glory shirt.
00:43:33.000 There you go.
00:43:34.000 Hey! 0.99
00:43:35.000 And Glory is like the premier kickboxing event of today, right?
00:43:40.000 So Petrosian, I think, still fights for Glory.
00:43:44.000 But Petrosian, when he was in his 20s, you could catch those on UFC Fight Pass.
00:43:50.000 I just was watching it yesterday in the gym.
00:43:52.000 I was watching him when he was 23, and he's probably like...
00:43:56.000 He's probably deep in his 30s now.
00:43:58.000 I think he's probably 37 or something like that.
00:44:00.000 But he's been around forever.
00:44:02.000 And he is just one of the smoothest, most elegant fighters to watch.
00:44:07.000 But ruthlessly effective.
00:44:08.000 But his technique is just perfect.
00:44:10.000 He's always in a perfect position.
00:44:12.000 And he's a guy, if you watch him train...
00:44:15.000 Constantly drilling.
00:44:16.000 Just drill, drill, drill, over and over and over again.
00:44:20.000 And they'll do situational drills and positional drills.
00:44:23.000 And so his footwork and everything is all second nature.
00:44:27.000 Like when the guy comes to him, he steps aside, left hook, right kick.
00:44:31.000 And all these techniques that flow together so perfectly in a match, you can watch him rehearse them over and over.
00:44:37.000 And there's a ton of videos on YouTube and watch him train.
00:44:43.000 They call him the doctor.
00:44:46.000 Literally, it's like he's doing something different than all these other guys are doing.
00:44:50.000 You're talking like world champions and he was KOing them when he was in his early 20s.
00:44:55.000 Wild to watch.
00:44:57.000 What is he doing different?
00:44:59.000 It's hard to see.
00:45:00.000 If you watch Mike Tyson...
00:45:24.000 It's pretty obvious what he's doing different.
00:45:25.000 The transition.
00:45:27.000 That's kind of the part that's always alluded.
00:45:29.000 Even with jiu-jitsu, those in-betweens where you kind of lose the fight.
00:45:34.000 The match kind of loses.
00:45:38.000 We ended up here.
00:45:40.000 Ortega, this last fight that Ortega did...
00:45:43.000 I felt like the thing that really was surprising to me was not necessarily that he's like, oh, now you've trained striking and you're doing really well at the striking.
00:45:52.000 It was like those in-between things that he was doing that I was like, I haven't seen that in most UFC fighters.
00:45:57.000 Just that in-between thing that he put the glue together.
00:46:01.000 He wasn't leaving any holes.
00:46:03.000 There's no holes.
00:46:04.000 Yeah, no holes.
00:46:04.000 There were no holes.
00:46:05.000 Yeah, it was brilliant.
00:46:06.000 It was a masterful performance.
00:46:08.000 Yeah.
00:46:08.000 Because that guy, the Korean zombie, Chan Sanjong, is very tough.
00:46:12.000 He's dangerous. 0.97
00:46:13.000 Very dangerous.
00:46:15.000 And Brian neutralized him.
00:46:17.000 He neutralized everything.
00:46:18.000 And he looked so smooth and professional.
00:46:21.000 Everything he was doing looked so good.
00:46:23.000 And Korean Zombie said he doesn't remember anything of the last three rounds.
00:46:28.000 Doesn't remember them.
00:46:29.000 Because remember when he got hit with that backspinny elbow?
00:46:31.000 Yeah.
00:46:32.000 Yeah, he got KO'd.
00:46:33.000 And apparently he was just on autopilot for the rest of the fight.
00:46:36.000 Doesn't remember.
00:46:36.000 He says he's very embarrassed.
00:46:37.000 Doesn't even remember the fight.
00:46:38.000 Wow.
00:46:39.000 Yeah.
00:46:40.000 That happens sometimes.
00:46:41.000 Guys get KO'd and they'll go back to their corner.
00:46:43.000 They're like, is it the second round?
00:46:44.000 It's the fifth round!
00:46:46.000 I'm like, it is?
00:46:47.000 Yeah, it's the fifth round.
00:46:49.000 Come on, man.
00:46:49.000 You're losing the fight.
00:46:50.000 Like, I am?
00:46:51.000 I thought it just started.
00:46:52.000 Like, they literally don't remember fights.
00:46:54.000 And it's because they're literally concussed while they're inside the ring.
00:47:00.000 Luckily, when we're doing shows, I'm not getting bonked, so...
00:47:04.000 If you lose track of the show and you don't know what song you're on...
00:47:07.000 Has that ever happened?
00:47:08.000 That's actually a good thing, because you're in the zone.
00:47:12.000 You've kind of disappeared into that story you wrote.
00:47:15.000 You're no longer thinking about the story you wrote.
00:47:17.000 You're now just delivering the story unconsciously, but consciously. 1.00
00:47:23.000 Or you dipped into that Pussy for Lunchbox and got some of that good shit. 1.00
00:47:26.000 The marijuana cigarettes. 1.00
00:47:27.000 Woo! 0.99
00:47:28.000 That will do it.
00:47:29.000 There's been many a show where I'm in the middle of a bit going, what bit is this?
00:47:33.000 Yeah.
00:47:35.000 It generally just takes a second like, oh yeah, airplane, airplane.
00:47:40.000 Keep talking, keep talking, you're good.
00:47:42.000 But the shows that you do, have you ever been in a situation where you're in the middle of a song and you're so in the groove that you kind of forget what song it is?
00:47:52.000 Don't know where I am.
00:47:53.000 Really?
00:47:54.000 Yeah, because you're so in it, you're in the middle of it, but then you make that mistake of thinking about it.
00:47:59.000 Or having a memory of like, oh, like a week ago I fucked this song up. 0.77
00:48:04.000 And as soon as you have that thought, you're like...
00:48:07.000 Isn't that interesting about live performances?
00:48:11.000 Yeah.
00:48:11.000 Well, that's kind of why you do those.
00:48:14.000 Yeah.
00:48:15.000 So this thing we've got coming up is not...
00:48:17.000 We already recorded it.
00:48:19.000 We filmed it at Arcasante.
00:48:24.000 What is Arcasante?
00:48:26.000 Arcasante?
00:48:26.000 Arcosanti is this insane concrete village that was...
00:48:33.000 I'm going to get his name wrong.
00:48:36.000 Paolo Soleri.
00:48:37.000 Look that up, buddy.
00:48:39.000 Paolo Soleri.
00:48:41.000 Paolo.
00:48:41.000 He was a student of Frank Lloyd Wright.
00:48:45.000 So he built his...
00:48:47.000 There's a foundry in the middle of the desert on your way up to Flagstaff from Phoenix.
00:48:53.000 It's kind of off the 17. For what purpose?
00:48:58.000 For bells.
00:48:59.000 They make these kind of bell structures and they make, you know, so there's a kind of a school to, you can go attend to understand how to do foundry work, but also concrete, just understanding these concrete structures.
00:49:13.000 And so it's all these locations and there's kind of a school there.
00:49:17.000 There's people that come through and travel.
00:49:20.000 There you go.
00:49:21.000 Is there an image of this place?
00:49:24.000 Look up Arcosanti.
00:49:27.000 How do you spell that?
00:49:28.000 A-R-C-O-S-A-N-T-I. How did you find out about this place? 1.00
00:49:35.000 It's right near my house.
00:49:37.000 It's like an hour away.
00:49:39.000 Whoa! 0.98
00:49:40.000 How fucking cool is that spot? 1.00
00:49:43.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00
00:49:45.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:49:45.000 That's all concrete? 0.99
00:49:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:49:48.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:49:48.000 So, you know, the added pressure... 1.00
00:49:50.000 Like, when you're playing live, it's just a live show.
00:49:53.000 There's pressure because, you know, you're playing live.
00:49:56.000 But there's not a lot of pressure because when it goes by, the next song, don't worry about it. 0.95
00:50:00.000 But when you're playing live in front of a camera and it's going to capture you fucking up, that's a lot of pressure.
00:50:07.000 Two weeks ago, we filmed the entire album. 0.83
00:50:11.000 We did all the songs in these structures.
00:50:15.000 And did you have an outdoor audience?
00:50:17.000 No, there was no audience for it, because we were doing it mostly at night, like early rising, late rising.
00:50:25.000 It was not easy to do, especially in a... 0.87
00:50:29.000 This thing's supposed to be kind of integrated with the natural terrain, so you've got rattlesnakes and shit everywhere. 0.87
00:50:37.000 You're living in the desert. 0.88
00:50:39.000 Your 360 views are the wilderness, the hostile environment.
00:50:43.000 So...
00:50:44.000 And no audience, and then you're singing.
00:50:46.000 And no audience is singing, but it's also hot, it's also cold, it's also like, there's Black Widows, and you know, so you're, you know, it's kind of not an easy thing to do, especially when you're trying to catch the sunrise, and you want the song to land right on as the sun's coming up over the horizon, 0.99
00:51:02.000 like all those kind of things that, and it's like, you know, fucking 6am, and you're like, fuck. 0.99
00:51:07.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:51:08.000 So you were recording as the sun was coming up?
00:51:11.000 Yeah, on one song.
00:51:13.000 But then you're trying to catch other things with the stars on the other songs, and it's all timing, and, you know, am I going to get bit?
00:51:21.000 Dude, that sounds amazing!
00:51:23.000 I'm super fucking tired, and... 0.95
00:51:24.000 I'm sure it sucked while you were doing that and getting up, but the overall product... 0.96
00:51:29.000 Yeah, I'm pretty stoked about it.
00:51:32.000 So what we're doing is that's streaming on the same day that the album comes out on the 30th.
00:51:38.000 And what's it streaming on?
00:51:40.000 I don't know what the actual service it is, but it's PussiferLive.com is where you go to get a ticket to see it.
00:51:47.000 And I think it's the same one that did...
00:51:51.000 I want to say it's the same service that Mr. Bungle's doing.
00:51:55.000 I think Mr. Bungle's show is The Day After Ours.
00:51:57.000 So it's the same service.
00:52:00.000 But it's available on the Pussifer website?
00:52:03.000 No, it's PussiferLive.com.
00:52:05.000 It's a separate website.
00:52:06.000 Is there a link to it on Pussifer.com?
00:52:08.000 There should be on the main page, but if you just go to PussiferLive.com, that's where it takes you.
00:52:13.000 Pussifer performing the new album in its entirety from Arcosante in the Arizona desert.
00:52:17.000 Dude, that is such a great idea.
00:52:19.000 I love it.
00:52:20.000 Well, you know, this whole lockdown thing, not being able to tour, this is our tour.
00:52:24.000 This is it.
00:52:25.000 Yeah, it's been a weird one, right?
00:52:29.000 And the fact that everybody was like, oh, you know, around June we'll probably be fine.
00:52:34.000 Here it is, November almost.
00:52:37.000 And I think the big thing, kind of circling back, is I'm still feeling residual effects of that thing.
00:52:42.000 And I feel like there's a bunch of people that maybe, I didn't almost die.
00:52:47.000 I have friends who almost died.
00:52:48.000 Yeah, I do as well.
00:52:49.000 It was ugly.
00:52:50.000 And then you have people going, you guys are, apparently I'm being paid to say this. 1.00
00:52:55.000 Eat a dick, dude. 0.99
00:52:56.000 Oh, you can't pay attention to those people. 1.00
00:52:58.000 Those are the people who think that 5G is killing babies. 1.00
00:53:01.000 People are out of their fucking minds. 1.00
00:53:03.000 There's so much noise out there. 1.00
00:53:05.000 It's so hard.
00:53:06.000 It's so hard to pay attention.
00:53:08.000 It's so hard to try to separate.
00:53:11.000 I have two friends that came real close to dying, and then I have other friends that shook it off like it was nothing.
00:53:17.000 I have a couple of friends that didn't even know they had it.
00:53:19.000 They tested positive.
00:53:20.000 They said I didn't feel a thing.
00:53:22.000 Jamie was sick for a day, and he was convinced it was ragweed.
00:53:27.000 But my friend Michael Yeo, he came really close.
00:53:29.000 He was in the hospital for quite a long time.
00:53:31.000 And my friend, Dr. Neil Reardon, he was in the hospital.
00:53:35.000 He came very close to death a couple times.
00:53:38.000 And he, you know, I think folks that got it early on before they knew how to treat it correctly and what was going on and what to do. 0.99
00:53:46.000 They got their asses handed to him, yeah, for sure.
00:53:49.000 Yeah, our friend Dean, his family, and I'm going to get this wrong, so I'm sure Dean's going to light me up, but I think his wife tested positive, the kids tested positive, he tested positive, I think the parents tested positive. 0.99
00:54:03.000 Then nobody showed any symptoms.
00:54:05.000 He showed symptoms on a Tuesday, finally got into the hospital, almost died on a Sunday, then recovered quickly after because he's in shape.
00:54:13.000 He's, like, mid-40s.
00:54:14.000 He's a runner.
00:54:16.000 Like, he's not out of shape.
00:54:18.000 But, like, there was a touch-and-go moment where he couldn't speak to you, couldn't talk to you on Sunday. 0.92
00:54:23.000 So on a Tuesday, he showed symptoms, you know, Not fucking cool at all on a Sunday. 0.89
00:54:28.000 And then came out of it. 0.98
00:54:30.000 Meanwhile, Fatso Trump, 74 years old, eating french fries, kicks it in the weekend.
00:54:35.000 Back on the campaign trail.
00:54:37.000 Looks a hundred times better than Biden.
00:54:39.000 They got him on steroids and Adderall.
00:54:41.000 He looks great.
00:54:42.000 He looks great.
00:54:43.000 I'm thinking about trying Adderall now.
00:54:45.000 Yeah.
00:54:46.000 He looks so good.
00:54:49.000 It's amazing.
00:54:50.000 I saw him give a speech the other day.
00:54:52.000 I'm like, the guy has never looked better.
00:54:54.000 COVID, literally, he had a hermetic effect.
00:54:57.000 Yeah.
00:54:58.000 And his body is actually stronger because of COVID. Still a douchebag. 0.99
00:55:02.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99
00:55:03.000 Probably more.
00:55:05.000 Because now he thinks he's immune. 1.00
00:55:06.000 Cocky douchebag. 1.00
00:55:07.000 He doesn't have to worry anymore. 0.99
00:55:08.000 Yeah. 0.86
00:55:08.000 Now he can go just have people spit in his mouth. 0.86
00:55:12.000 Please. 0.59
00:55:12.000 And he's fine. 0.59
00:55:14.000 It's all...
00:55:15.000 It's just so weird.
00:55:17.000 Please do.
00:55:17.000 The world doesn't seem real, you know?
00:55:20.000 It just, it seems like you have to remind yourself, okay, this is still real.
00:55:24.000 This is the world.
00:55:25.000 Yeah.
00:55:26.000 You know?
00:55:26.000 But I think that's kind of what, you know, you had those good, you had those good aunts, those good uncles, good friends when you were a kid that you kind of learn.
00:55:36.000 There's a lot of influence you get from your parents.
00:55:38.000 I've, you know, my dad is, you know, my whole world as far as influence, a good influence on decision making, right?
00:55:44.000 But you also have those people around you that you should have around you, if they're positive, that it should be fairly easy to see right through bullshit and get to the core of a good decision.
00:55:56.000 It should.
00:55:57.000 It should. 1.00
00:55:58.000 But now with this fucking thing... 1.00
00:56:00.000 Oh, the phone. 1.00
00:56:01.000 It's just...
00:56:02.000 It's very strange to...
00:56:05.000 The information you're getting to make that decision...
00:56:09.000 Has been picked apart and it's all dopamine dump charged.
00:56:16.000 So you can't really...
00:56:16.000 It's sensationalized.
00:56:19.000 Conversations start with an argument. 1.00
00:56:22.000 I really like Frosted Flakes and if you don't like Frosted Flakes, fuck you! 1.00
00:56:27.000 You must be racist. 1.00
00:56:28.000 Yeah, you must be racist. 1.00
00:56:29.000 You must be a bigot. 0.87
00:56:30.000 I had Alan Levenovitz on the podcast and he had a really, he's actually working on a book about this now, but it was a series of tweets that he put up about what we're dealing with with social media.
00:56:44.000 It was the same thing that we're dealing with with processed food.
00:56:47.000 Processed food with all these preservatives.
00:56:49.000 It fills you up.
00:56:50.000 It's terrible for you.
00:56:51.000 He's like, this is processed information.
00:56:53.000 This is not how human beings are supposed to exchange information.
00:56:57.000 You're not supposed to get it in this 280-character form.
00:57:01.000 This should be a process you go through to digest the information.
00:57:07.000 Yeah.
00:57:07.000 Well, it should be...
00:57:08.000 People are supposed to talk like this.
00:57:11.000 It's one of the things that people love about podcasting.
00:57:13.000 It is a digital thing, and you're getting it, and it's kind of impersonal in a way.
00:57:17.000 But it's also kind of personal because you and I are having a personal moment, and it's recorded.
00:57:22.000 Like, we're in front of each other, we're looking at each other, and this is how people are...
00:57:26.000 And we're nice to each other.
00:57:28.000 And you say something, and I consider it, and we talk, and you...
00:57:31.000 You get in real time to exchange information back and forth and see how the other person responds to it and then respond to their response.
00:57:39.000 That's how people are supposed to talk, man.
00:57:41.000 And this Twitter thing that people are doing, the most mentally ill people I know spend the most time on Twitter.
00:57:47.000 And they're on it, ranting and raving and blaming all these other people for their unhappiness.
00:57:52.000 And it's so weird to see.
00:57:55.000 It's like you're watching people self- They're self-inflicting themselves with venom.
00:58:27.000 I can talk.
00:58:28.000 We can all talk to each other.
00:58:29.000 And all of those cultures are represented.
00:58:32.000 All those political beliefs, all those religious beliefs, all those things are all represented in all the people that we deal with.
00:58:38.000 And we have these civil conversations with each other face-to-face. 0.99
00:58:41.000 We're all busting our asses. 0.98
00:58:43.000 We're all doing a thing. 0.99
00:58:44.000 There's a puzzle we're trying to solve.
00:58:46.000 There's a problem we've encountered that I don't know how to solve and you know how to solve it.
00:58:49.000 I'm trying to build this thing and you're very good at building this thing.
00:58:53.000 We're solving puzzles.
00:58:54.000 You have a core common ground.
00:58:56.000 Yeah, we have a core common ground just from life.
00:58:59.000 We're making a living.
00:59:01.000 You have a living and we're just talking.
00:59:03.000 We're talking. 0.98
00:59:03.000 As soon as you go here and when you're anonymous, it turns into this fucking ugly fight of polarized mess of like you have to pick a side and it's like... 0.98
00:59:12.000 Yeah, you're on the wrong side of history. 0.95
00:59:13.000 From what I'm standing, the only thing we're really kind of massaging and trying to work around and picking a side on is weather, is mother nature.
00:59:22.000 You're just trying to... 1.00
00:59:23.000 She smacks the shit out of you and you're trying to fucking navigate it. 1.00
00:59:26.000 And so she's in charge and you are not in charge. 1.00
00:59:31.000 That's the thing about having a common thing that you do.
00:59:36.000 Like jujitsu.
00:59:37.000 Like if you train jujitsu, you're going to have Republicans and Democrats and progressives and...
00:59:56.000 I can choke you. 0.99
00:59:59.000 If I don't agree with you, I can just disagree with you, but then I get to choke you. 0.57
01:00:01.000 But it's just, it's not as important as the jujitsu, you know? 1.00
01:00:05.000 It's like, somewhere along the line, it became, like, you have to be on my side, or fuck you. 0.99
01:00:13.000 And that, these ideological echo bubbles that people, these chambers that people get into, it's just... 0.99
01:00:21.000 It's never before happened where you've had people that can so readily find people that agree with them wholeheartedly and have full confirmation bias.
01:00:32.000 Only people that are on this side and that believe these things and this core group.
01:00:37.000 And it's real obvious.
01:00:39.000 It's cut and dry what they believe and what they want, what they see and what they don't.
01:00:44.000 And then it's reinforced by CNN and MSNBC and Fox News and You know, all these biased news sources. 0.97
01:00:51.000 If there is a division, I guess, that I would make, it would be fundamentalism versus fucking chill-out-ism. 0.97
01:00:59.000 I don't know. 0.99
01:01:01.000 Because people are so – you're far left and you're far right are bumping each other's asses on the other side of the circle. 0.86
01:01:07.000 They're the same. 0.99
01:01:08.000 They're all one fucking stroke away from Handmaid's Tale, and they are burning books together. 0.99
01:01:15.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:01:16.000 Telling you what pronouns to use and what religion you're supposed to pick and all this stuff.
01:01:21.000 They're the same person.
01:01:23.000 They're the same people.
01:01:24.000 And we're in the middle going, I just want some pasta.
01:01:28.000 It's super similar.
01:01:29.000 Super similar.
01:01:30.000 And it's all coming together with this pandemic.
01:01:32.000 Because people are being forced to be locked away.
01:01:35.000 You're locking away. 0.85
01:01:36.000 You're staying away from people, so you have less interaction, less actual real contact with people, more digital contact, more processed bullshit way of communicating with people. 0.79
01:01:47.000 And then there's the fear.
01:01:48.000 And then there's the lack of money because everybody's out of work. 0.99
01:01:52.000 And then there's all this panic that comes with that and this anger and anxiety and The existential angst of the disease itself and the combination of all these factors together with a fucking douchebag for a president, chaos, and no good choices for opponents. 0.98
01:02:10.000 Everybody's just voting. 0.98
01:02:11.000 The people that are not voting for Trump, they're just voting for not Trump.
01:02:15.000 They're not voting for Joe Biden.
01:02:17.000 No one's super excited about Joe Biden.
01:02:19.000 They're voting for not Trump.
01:02:20.000 So you're sitting there.
01:02:21.000 If you're an observer watching this, you're like, God, we've got to get out of here.
01:02:24.000 This is going to blow.
01:02:26.000 Yeah.
01:02:26.000 I think you start to default back to the position of, okay, well, I'm just going to step back and just see, in my lifetime, what haven't we seen?
01:02:37.000 Okay, well, in my lifetime, we haven't seen a female black president. 1.00
01:02:43.000 So if you're voting for Biden, in a way, you have to be a little honest about it.
01:02:47.000 You're actually voting for Kamala Harris because it's very possible she's going to be the next president.
01:02:54.000 100%.
01:02:54.000 But is she an awful person?
01:02:56.000 Is she a bad person?
01:02:57.000 Is she a good person?
01:02:58.000 I don't know.
01:02:59.000 I just know that it's a step forward.
01:03:01.000 It's something that hasn't happened before me, and I get to be alive when we have a female president. 0.98
01:03:09.000 Well, we've never had a Nazi president either.
01:03:11.000 Would that be a step forward?
01:03:12.000 Well, we already have that.
01:03:13.000 Oh, I don't think he's a Nazi.
01:03:16.000 He's got a Jewish son-in-law.
01:03:19.000 He can't be a Nazi. 0.99
01:03:20.000 His son-in-law, though, is the Antichrist.
01:03:22.000 Have you ever seen him next to Damien?
01:03:25.000 Have you ever seen?
01:03:26.000 That's great.
01:03:27.000 From the movie?
01:03:28.000 Go.
01:03:28.000 Dude, we've done it multiple times.
01:03:29.000 Come on.
01:03:29.000 Put it up there.
01:03:30.000 Him and Damien from the movie, Damien the Omen.
01:03:33.000 You look at the two of them together, you're like, oh.
01:03:35.000 There he is.
01:03:36.000 He's the Antichrist.
01:03:37.000 Yeah.
01:03:37.000 Yeah.
01:03:38.000 So it's not like the devil's son.
01:03:40.000 It's the devil's son-in-law. 0.82
01:03:41.000 The devil's son-in-law. 0.98
01:03:43.000 Got it. 0.97
01:03:43.000 That's what it is. 0.97
01:03:44.000 I like it.
01:03:44.000 Or maybe he's the devil's son and he's Trump's son-in-law.
01:03:47.000 Yeah, maybe he's got the handle behind Trump.
01:03:50.000 Maybe he's just a nice guy with great hair and a beautiful suit.
01:03:54.000 And you're just making it up.
01:03:55.000 Yeah, maybe he's just got really good bone structure and I'm jealous.
01:03:57.000 Could be that.
01:03:59.000 And a beautiful wife that happens to be Trump's daughter.
01:04:01.000 Maybe that. 1.00
01:04:02.000 Maybe I'm just a bitch. 1.00
01:04:04.000 Could be that. 0.98
01:04:06.000 But if you see a photo, you got a picture of him, look at the two of them next to each other.
01:04:11.000 Damien, the omen.
01:04:13.000 The omen. 0.99
01:04:14.000 God damn it, Brian! 1.00
01:04:16.000 You're not that young. 1.00
01:04:18.000 You should know who the fuck... 1.00
01:04:19.000 How old are you, man? 1.00
01:04:20.000 46. You should fucking know who the omen is, bro. 1.00
01:04:24.000 Oh yeah, look at the fifth photo over. 0.99
01:04:28.000 Yeah, just say...
01:04:29.000 Come on, son.
01:04:31.000 He's actually, right now, not looking at the camera, he's talking to the wolves across the fence on the other side.
01:04:39.000 Yeah, they're making eye contact with him.
01:04:41.000 I mean, come on.
01:04:42.000 Delivering a message.
01:04:43.000 That literally is straight out of The Omen.
01:04:47.000 Yeah.
01:04:47.000 Damien The Omen, Jared Kushner.
01:04:49.000 Google those two things together and go to images.
01:04:52.000 I've seen it.
01:04:53.000 We've pulled it up multiple times on this podcast.
01:04:55.000 It's 100% accurate.
01:04:58.000 Jared Kushner.
01:05:01.000 Watch this.
01:05:04.000 I spell Kushner.
01:05:06.000 Images.
01:05:07.000 There you go.
01:05:07.000 We're going to do their images.
01:05:09.000 Watch this.
01:05:10.000 Nope.
01:05:11.000 Who's that guy?
01:05:12.000 Well, he's famous now.
01:05:15.000 Is it Kushner, right?
01:05:16.000 Yeah.
01:05:20.000 There's got to be an image of...
01:05:21.000 Right there.
01:05:22.000 Where?
01:05:23.000 Down.
01:05:24.000 Oh yeah, down the bottom.
01:05:26.000 Yeah, look.
01:05:27.000 Come on, son.
01:05:28.000 I mean, that's the omen.
01:05:32.000 That's him.
01:05:33.000 That is him.
01:05:35.000 Now go back to the images again, and there's one with him.
01:05:38.000 It's like a portrait mode up there, right above that one.
01:05:41.000 Right above that one.
01:05:42.000 Yeah, click on that.
01:05:43.000 So look at Trump is blurry, and look at him. 0.98
01:05:45.000 The devil. 1.00
01:05:46.000 He's got his hand right up his puppet ass. 1.00
01:05:49.000 He's like making him say the Satan thing. 1.00
01:05:51.000 We are so close.
01:05:53.000 So close.
01:05:54.000 So close to the final confrontation.
01:05:58.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:05:58.000 But again, maybe I'm just being a bitch. 1.00
01:06:00.000 Order some goat's blood on Amazon. 0.99
01:06:02.000 There's a really handsome man with a slender neck.
01:06:06.000 And a beautiful wife. 1.00
01:06:08.000 Maybe I should just shut the fuck up. 0.99
01:06:09.000 Maybe it's me, man. 1.00
01:06:11.000 It's probably you.
01:06:12.000 It's probably you.
01:06:14.000 No matter who gets in that office, they get skewered.
01:06:16.000 Yeah.
01:06:17.000 I was interested to see what they'd say about Bernie.
01:06:19.000 I was really hoping we could see what would happen if that guy would get in place.
01:06:23.000 That was interesting to me.
01:06:25.000 What would happen if somebody got in place and said, you know what, we're going to make college free.
01:06:28.000 We're going to completely absolve you of student debt.
01:06:31.000 We're going to make Medicare for all.
01:06:33.000 We're going to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
01:06:36.000 All those things that are...
01:06:38.000 I'm not an economist.
01:06:39.000 Maybe it wouldn't have worked, but I was interested to see.
01:06:41.000 I'm like, that seems to be a good use of taxpayer money.
01:06:46.000 Like, if you're going to use taxpayer money, and most of them are using it for shenanigans.
01:06:49.000 Well, the problem now is if you want to know that scenario, you don't have anybody who's going to go, okay, let's honestly look at it.
01:06:57.000 And are we going to present the case for or against?
01:07:07.000 Yeah, it was only Bernie. 0.99
01:07:17.000 All this shit's going to be in the way talking about socialism and whatever. 0.99
01:07:22.000 So you don't know. 0.99
01:07:23.000 And I'm not necessarily for Bernie.
01:07:25.000 I'm just saying I don't know because I can't find the paper that isn't biased to present that argument to me.
01:07:34.000 Well, to me, it was pretty shocking that the only people that I was interested in at all were blocked out by the system.
01:07:40.000 Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang.
01:07:43.000 Those were the only people I was interested in.
01:07:45.000 And they were completely blackballed and pushed out by the system. 1.00
01:07:48.000 They're like, fuck you with your radical ideas. 0.99
01:07:51.000 Normally, when you're going to find something out about a history of a place, you kind of follow the money to really sell the records. 1.00
01:07:57.000 So follow the reason.
01:08:01.000 So who's blocking them out and why would they be blocking them out?
01:08:06.000 And follow that breadcrumb trail to see why.
01:08:10.000 I just want it to be over.
01:08:12.000 Yeah.
01:08:12.000 And I want Civil War to be here already, so I know how many bullets to buy.
01:08:18.000 That's like Tuesday, roughly.
01:08:21.000 It just seems like it's coming.
01:08:22.000 Yeah.
01:08:23.000 Seems like it's coming, but I feel like this is a good place to be.
01:08:26.000 First of all, this is a very neutral ground, because it's a blue spot in a red state.
01:08:32.000 It really is, yeah.
01:08:33.000 Yeah.
01:08:33.000 And a red room.
01:08:35.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:08:35.000 Arizona is, it seems like it's, well, on paper, and you never know, the polls don't mean shit, but... 0.98
01:08:43.000 You know, they're saying Biden's ahead in Arizona. 0.89
01:08:46.000 How is that possible?
01:08:46.000 I don't know.
01:08:47.000 That's a red state.
01:08:48.000 Because where I live, all day long, you've got the dude with the Trump flag driving around in the car, and it's like, can we just have a coffee?
01:08:58.000 Can we just talk? 1.00
01:09:00.000 Fucking freedom! 1.00
01:09:02.000 Honk for freedom! 1.00
01:09:05.000 How come you're not honking?
01:09:08.000 Yeah.
01:09:09.000 Yeah, and then you're in a fight because you didn't honk. 0.99
01:09:11.000 You didn't even fucking honk for freedom! 1.00
01:09:14.000 Too busy sucking cock, huh? 1.00
01:09:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:09:17.000 Like, for enslavement. 1.00
01:09:21.000 I suck cock for enslavement. 1.00
01:09:23.000 I'm into it. 1.00
01:09:24.000 Some people are into that.
01:09:26.000 They want you to tie them up.
01:09:28.000 What are you going to do?
01:09:30.000 It's a confusing time, too, because a lot of these states that were red are getting infiltrated by people like me that are abandoning the blue states. 0.87
01:09:42.000 They're abandoning California, but taking with them their shitty voting habits. 0.95
01:09:45.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:09:46.000 They're like, I'm going to go to this place with freedom and then just take it all away.
01:09:50.000 Well, you don't need that many guns.
01:09:53.000 What are you going to do?
01:09:54.000 Do whatever you want?
01:09:55.000 Well, that doesn't seem right.
01:09:56.000 We need some regulation.
01:09:58.000 And then it all becomes California.
01:10:02.000 Yeah.
01:10:02.000 There are things in...
01:10:04.000 It is funny, the business that I'm in, in the alcohol business, it's almost...
01:10:09.000 It's completely contrary to what you would think about the people who are like, less government, less regulation, less all those things.
01:10:16.000 But when it comes to wine and that kind of thing in Arizona, it's very California.
01:10:23.000 They want to control everything you're doing.
01:10:25.000 They want to know every move you're making.
01:10:27.000 There's all these hoops you've got to jump through to get things done.
01:10:31.000 It's funny.
01:10:32.000 How so?
01:10:33.000 In what way?
01:10:34.000 Just in the regulation of alcohol and how they interpret.
01:10:38.000 That's Arizona in general?
01:10:40.000 Yeah.
01:10:40.000 In specific, rather?
01:10:41.000 Yeah, for the winemaking.
01:10:43.000 There's a lot of hoops we have to jump through as winemakers in the state.
01:10:45.000 Come out here to Texas, bro.
01:10:46.000 You can make wine with a gun. 1.00
01:10:48.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00
01:10:50.000 Fredericksburg. 1.00
01:10:51.000 Right out here, man.
01:10:52.000 It's not far from here.
01:10:53.000 Yeah.
01:10:53.000 They have great wine.
01:10:54.000 Yeah.
01:10:54.000 Allegedly.
01:10:55.000 I don't know shit about wine. 0.99
01:10:57.000 Allegedly. 0.95
01:10:57.000 I like your wine. 0.95
01:10:58.000 Yeah.
01:10:59.000 I know it tastes good.
01:11:00.000 You're going to like more of my wine. 1.00
01:11:01.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
01:11:02.000 Remember first. 1.00
01:11:03.000 I like your wine.
01:11:04.000 I just don't know why I like it.
01:11:07.000 Have you seen Sour Graves?
01:11:08.000 Because it's made with love.
01:11:10.000 That too.
01:11:11.000 Have you seen Sour Grapes?
01:11:12.000 The documentary?
01:11:13.000 No.
01:11:14.000 Yes.
01:11:15.000 Parts of it.
01:11:15.000 I haven't seen the whole thing.
01:11:16.000 I haven't.
01:11:17.000 It's pretty amazing.
01:11:17.000 That's what I keep hearing.
01:11:19.000 It's amazing.
01:11:19.000 That this guy made fake wine that was supposed to be these really expensive bottles and duped all these like real wine.
01:11:28.000 Well, so when I first heard about the film, I was under the impression, like, I sat next to that guy.
01:11:35.000 I was at an Australian consulate wine dinner in Beverly Hills with Peter Gago from Penfold sitting next to me, and that guy was sitting next to me.
01:11:45.000 What is that guy's name?
01:11:47.000 Sour Grapes.
01:11:48.000 Sour Grapes, the documentary.
01:11:50.000 Ruby?
01:11:51.000 Yeah.
01:11:52.000 Yeah, so he – I met that guy.
01:11:55.000 I sat next to him.
01:11:56.000 I didn't buy any wine from him.
01:11:58.000 Luckily.
01:11:58.000 But I met him.
01:12:00.000 So initially I was like, fuck that guy for duping all these people. 1.00
01:12:03.000 But the thing that they're basically saying was that, yeah, that aside, yeah, he fucked a lot of people up. 0.99
01:12:11.000 But his ability – To do what he was doing to put these wines in bottle and mimic what the palate, just the nature, the color, everything about it and being able to duplicate what's in the bottle to the point where it would fool a psalm.
01:12:29.000 He's an alchemist.
01:12:30.000 He was really good at making it.
01:12:32.000 He wasn't just putting wine in a bottle and selling you the bottle.
01:12:35.000 If you opened it and you tasted it, you really thought it was that wine, you would go, that seems like not a great version of that wine, but that's that wine.
01:12:45.000 Oh, so you could tell that it was slightly off.
01:12:49.000 In some cases.
01:12:50.000 Did you try any of his wine?
01:12:52.000 No.
01:12:52.000 Oh, God, I would like to try it.
01:12:54.000 But they were just saying the guy really was able to get close to mimicking the palates and structures of these wines.
01:13:02.000 So that's why...
01:13:03.000 What's his name again, Brian?
01:13:04.000 Rudy Kumoyuma?
01:13:06.000 Ruby Curnawan.
01:13:09.000 It's right here.
01:13:12.000 Curna...
01:13:12.000 Here.
01:13:15.000 How do you say that?
01:13:17.000 Kurniawan? 0.96
01:13:20.000 Kurniawan.
01:13:22.000 Rudy Kurniawan.
01:13:23.000 Okay.
01:13:24.000 Rudy.
01:13:25.000 Interesting.
01:13:26.000 So, how did this guy do this?
01:13:29.000 No idea.
01:13:30.000 If it's such a fine art to create a great wine, and I know you...
01:13:35.000 I've tried multiple different wines from you.
01:13:37.000 What he was doing, and I'm speculating on this, I haven't seen the film, but what he was doing was just to fool you right now.
01:13:45.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:14:07.000 Bitch! 1.00
01:14:08.000 There is a fucking great book that I am in the middle of that you would love that's based on... 1.00
01:14:13.000 But you're going to read this one next, right? 0.98
01:14:15.000 Yes, I'll read that one.
01:14:18.000 My friend Graham Hancock wrote the foreword to it, and then it's Brian Murrow Rescue's book.
01:14:25.000 Here, let me find it.
01:14:27.000 It's in my library here.
01:14:29.000 It's called the Immortality Key.
01:14:32.000 And it is all about ancient wine and the ancient Greeks, how they used...
01:14:41.000 They put all kinds of stuff...
01:14:43.000 I'm going to take that note if you don't mind.
01:14:44.000 Yeah, the Immortality Key.
01:14:46.000 This is the...
01:14:49.000 Oh, there.
01:14:49.000 Brian's got it right there.
01:14:51.000 And it's a really...
01:14:51.000 Just listen to the podcast, the recent podcast that I did with this guy.
01:14:55.000 It's amazing.
01:14:56.000 He's a scholar of the Greek classics and Greek history.
01:15:02.000 And he focused on the...
01:15:09.000 What did they call it?
01:15:11.000 Eleusinian Mysteries.
01:15:12.000 Okay.
01:15:12.000 Where they would, they have these rituals where they would all, Eleusis, and they would all get together, and they would have these rituals where they would drink this spiked wine.
01:15:24.000 And the wine was, they've proven now, the wine was spiked with LSD-like components, was spiked with ergot, And they believe with probably a bunch of other different psychedelics, maybe psilocybin, maybe a bunch, but it was wines that had these psychedelic compounds,
01:15:44.000 and they would have these incredible rituals, and people would go there, and this is literally like the foundation of Western civilization.
01:15:53.000 came from these rituals and then these rituals were forbidden by the Roman emperors and then they started doing these rituals outside of Greece and they started doing them in Spain and they found images of them doing it in Italy and They found residue of these substances in pottery,
01:16:14.000 and they've proven that it traveled all over the place.
01:16:16.000 But what was fascinating to me is that their wine was never just wine.
01:16:20.000 They would put all sorts of different things in the wine, and wine back then was not just simply grapes that were fermented.
01:16:29.000 They would add cinnamon and honey and all these different things to the wine, which I thought was really fascinating.
01:16:35.000 Okay.
01:16:36.000 Yeah, but the fact that it was the source of their psychedelic rituals was wine.
01:16:43.000 All right, I'm going to read that.
01:16:44.000 Yeah.
01:16:45.000 Watch the podcast.
01:16:46.000 Okay.
01:16:47.000 He's really great at describing it, and it's a very condensed thing.
01:16:51.000 And then, to further go, get into the book.
01:16:55.000 Did you watch the Fantastic Fungi film?
01:16:59.000 I haven't seen that yet.
01:16:59.000 I started watching, I was about halfway through.
01:17:03.000 I'd been kind of busy.
01:17:05.000 But you have 50 jobs.
01:17:07.000 I would imagine you're a little...
01:17:09.000 And you have a family. 1.00
01:17:10.000 I don't know how the fuck you do it. 1.00
01:17:12.000 Well, my wife is a fucking badass. 1.00
01:17:14.000 She's more of a badass than I am. 0.99
01:17:15.000 And she holds a lot of other things down that I wouldn't be able to do without her.
01:17:20.000 So we have a nice symbiotic, energetic relationship.
01:17:26.000 If I find someone who has that many jobs, they almost always have an awesome wife. 1.00
01:17:31.000 Yeah, she's amazing. 1.00
01:17:32.000 I could not do any of this shit without her. 0.99
01:17:34.000 Absolutely. 1.00
01:17:35.000 That's a great thing, man.
01:17:36.000 Have a great team like that because when I look at all the things you do, restaurants, wines, now you're making mead.
01:17:44.000 I'm going to Michigan now to meet with a couple winemakers there because I'm going to probably put a facility there because my dad's house is there.
01:17:53.000 That's where I'm going at my dad's house.
01:17:54.000 Well, they're trying to kill Michigan, so it's a good place to go right now.
01:17:57.000 Literally, the governor is making everything fall apart.
01:18:01.000 Well, I'm going to find out.
01:18:03.000 Yeah, you can get a land for like a buck.
01:18:04.000 I'm going to fix it.
01:18:05.000 Do whatever you need to do.
01:18:06.000 So we're going to go...
01:18:06.000 I'm going to make mead, cider, and possibly wine in Michigan.
01:18:10.000 I just had a friend come back from Michigan.
01:18:12.000 He's telling me horror stories.
01:18:14.000 Hmm.
01:18:14.000 Not where I live.
01:18:16.000 You look at...
01:18:17.000 Look out my porch and there's like a...
01:18:19.000 You know, 16 acres of trees.
01:18:22.000 You know...
01:18:23.000 A deer walking through your yard.
01:18:24.000 I don't know what you're talking about.
01:18:25.000 I don't know either.
01:18:27.000 I'm just repeating what other people tell me.
01:18:28.000 It's fun to do.
01:18:29.000 Yeah.
01:18:31.000 You can pretend you know what you're saying.
01:18:33.000 Yeah.
01:18:33.000 So what part of Michigan?
01:18:35.000 Right on Lake Michigan.
01:18:37.000 Oh nice.
01:18:39.000 Mason County.
01:18:40.000 Oh, so that's pretty rural, right?
01:18:42.000 Yeah.
01:18:43.000 Why did you choose that area?
01:18:44.000 That's where my dad was a teacher.
01:18:46.000 So when I left Ohio, I went to live with my dad in Michigan.
01:18:52.000 And that's where he was, wrestling coach and teacher in western Michigan.
01:18:56.000 So he built a house. 0.97
01:18:58.000 He and Nick Totarchik, this big motherfucker, he and his sons and my dad built the house that I own now in Scottsville. 0.99
01:19:07.000 Oh, wow. 0.98
01:19:08.000 So that's why I'm going back to check in on the house, look at these buildings that we've been looking at, set up a situation.
01:19:15.000 So I have my friend Tim Whites with me in the car, my winemaking partner.
01:19:22.000 So we're just exploring a building.
01:19:24.000 We're going to talk to some growers.
01:19:26.000 There's definitely cider there.
01:19:28.000 I mean, there's apples everywhere, and I can make mead.
01:19:30.000 You know, tomorrow, because you can get honey.
01:19:32.000 What keeps you motivated to constantly do, like, these new projects, another project like this?
01:19:39.000 Puzzles. 0.79
01:19:40.000 I just fucking love puzzles. 0.98
01:19:42.000 Like, you know, physical, large-scale, sculptural, and big space puzzles. 0.98
01:19:49.000 So you think of like almost like constructing a new business or a warehouse or a factory like this or a creation of like an art piece.
01:19:59.000 Yeah, that and also watching what we just went through with this lockdown.
01:20:04.000 You know, we have three greenhouses, so we were able to feed a bunch of people.
01:20:09.000 In our hundred extended family with the businesses and everything, we were able to provide a little bit of food, not as much as they would need, but we certainly saved them at least one or two trips to the grocery store by providing them pasta,
01:20:25.000 some of the fresh vegetables, a roll of toilet paper. 0.96
01:20:28.000 You know, some soap, like that kind of shit that they just couldn't get at the store. 0.99
01:20:32.000 We had to go through commercial channels to get some of these materials. 0.98
01:20:38.000 That's a severely underrated pleasure, too, to be able to provide for people.
01:20:42.000 Yeah, I mean, so we were able to do that for over 100 families, you know, in our little circle.
01:20:47.000 I want to build more of that.
01:20:49.000 I want to do more of that.
01:20:51.000 That's awesome.
01:20:51.000 So I think in a little town, like, there's all these little towns all over the United States that dried up because they put the bypass in and put the Walmart and the Home Depot out away from the little town.
01:21:04.000 Beautiful structures, solid buildings that just dried up.
01:21:09.000 So now you're seeing a resurgence of these little towns turning around from what they were to being these little thriving things.
01:21:16.000 And the kind of cornerstone of that stuff is You know, food, lodging, restaurant, brewery or winery, distillery, you know, there's that little concentration of things.
01:21:27.000 Old Town Cottonwood, Arizona, that's a hot spot for wineries. 0.78
01:21:32.000 Even though the vineyards and the winemakers are down in Wilcox or Senoida or Elgin, One of their tasting rooms is in this little old town that was just beat to shit like 15 years ago.
01:21:43.000 You could pick up the property for, you know, they'd pay you to take it.
01:21:47.000 But now it's like a little thriving metropolis because you have this concentration of restaurants and wineries in this one little spot.
01:21:54.000 That's interesting.
01:21:55.000 I think people are also starting to be aware of the value in having everything you need in close proximity, where you're not shipping things in. 0.93
01:22:06.000 It used to be like the idea of bi-American was sort of this xenophobic, semi-racist notion that fuck the rest of the world, we're number one. 0.64
01:22:19.000 But now people are going, oh, but you know what? 0.96
01:22:21.000 Wouldn't it be great if we can get our medicine here?
01:22:23.000 We don't have to rely on boats that come over from China.
01:22:26.000 Wouldn't it be great if all the components that we need to make an automobile were actually manufactured and constructed right here? 0.98
01:22:34.000 Wouldn't it be great if a fucking single cell phone was made in America? 0.99
01:22:39.000 I mean, they don't make a goddamn one of them here. 0.99
01:22:41.000 Everything is made in Asia. 0.96
01:22:43.000 I still think you're going to need to trade.
01:22:45.000 The trade routes have to stay open.
01:22:47.000 There's things that you can't do well or as well as somebody else in terms of just, you know, the spice trade was exactly that.
01:22:53.000 You couldn't grow these spices here.
01:22:55.000 You had to get them from something else, and they were desirable.
01:22:58.000 You know, tulips in Holland.
01:23:00.000 Like, there's just...
01:23:01.000 There's something that's wanted and desired by other places, and there's things you can do really well.
01:23:06.000 For sure, but it would be nice to be self-sustainable.
01:23:09.000 Yes, yes.
01:23:10.000 Trade is always going to be significant.
01:23:12.000 And those end up being the side dishes that are like the icing on the cake, in a way.
01:23:17.000 But you should be able to figure out what grows in your area, what's sustainable in your area, and what you can do to kind of like...
01:23:23.000 You don't have to shut your borders off. 0.95
01:23:25.000 Just be open to understanding that when the shit hits the fan, you guys kind of have a little self-contained thing that you can... 0.99
01:23:31.000 Weather it. 0.99
01:23:32.000 Yeah, that would be nice.
01:23:33.000 And this is a new feeling.
01:23:36.000 I never thought about that before, but in the beginning of the lockdown, one of the things I was thinking, I was like, are we going to come to a point where we don't have enough food?
01:23:44.000 How is the food going to get here?
01:23:46.000 If they're not working, are they going to grow the food?
01:23:49.000 What happens if the early predictions were terrifying, right?
01:23:52.000 They were going to lose 2 million Americans.
01:23:53.000 Everybody was terrified.
01:23:55.000 That didn't come to pass, but It was a moment where you're like, well, what if this gets way worse than that even?
01:24:02.000 Are we going to get to a point where there's no power?
01:24:06.000 What are we relying on that's not necessarily going to be here when we think about what do we need to sustain ourselves? 0.98
01:24:13.000 What are we relying on that may or may not be here if the shit hits the fan? 0.98
01:24:18.000 And I feel like this was kind of a practice run. 0.99
01:24:20.000 Yes.
01:24:20.000 I feel like there's another one coming and you're going to have a shit ton of people that don't make it because they're like, that first one was fake and this one is too.
01:24:29.000 Cool.
01:24:29.000 Can I get a set of keys to your house?
01:24:31.000 Those people who think it's fake are so strange.
01:24:34.000 They're so strange.
01:24:35.000 I'm just going to have a friend a long time ago who had been in Iraq, and he had taken some whatever he had to take for anthrax or whatever.
01:24:47.000 And he used to joke, like, if we get hit with anthrax, it's going to affect you.
01:24:52.000 It's not going to affect me, and I'm just going to tell you now.
01:24:54.000 I'm going through your pockets.
01:24:57.000 No offense.
01:25:00.000 Yeah, I think of this as a practice run.
01:25:03.000 And...
01:25:05.000 I wonder, you know, I wonder how many people are going to relax again after this is over.
01:25:11.000 Because if something really big happens, like, and this is, and I'm not trying to diminish anybody that lost a loved one or to diminish the significance of this disease, the 200-plus thousand people that died in this country, but compared to a supervolcano, compared to a solar flare or an asteroid impact...
01:25:30.000 Or an entire state on fire.
01:25:32.000 Well, that's...
01:25:34.000 California.
01:25:35.000 Two states now.
01:25:36.000 Colorado.
01:25:37.000 Yeah, California's lost more than a million acres.
01:25:39.000 Yeah.
01:25:41.000 Oh.
01:25:41.000 So you add all those things up, and they start to really look like something.
01:25:45.000 Mm-hmm.
01:25:45.000 Little pieces.
01:25:46.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:25:47.000 So remember how to grow shit. 1.00
01:25:48.000 That's all I'm saying. 1.00
01:25:49.000 Yes. 1.00
01:25:50.000 Remember how to grow shit. 1.00
01:25:51.000 That'd be very nice. 1.00
01:25:52.000 And don't go to a place where it doesn't rain.
01:25:55.000 Yeah.
01:25:56.000 Things light on fire in a place where it doesn't rain.
01:25:59.000 Yeah.
01:25:59.000 Does it rain out in Jerome?
01:26:01.000 It hasn't rained for a long time, but we had so much snow two years ago and this last year that the snowpack actually fed the groundwater.
01:26:12.000 So Jerome has a decent amount of water this year.
01:26:15.000 It hasn't rained, so that's distressing.
01:26:18.000 Do you irrigate all your stuff with well water?
01:26:20.000 Yeah.
01:26:21.000 We're on spring, mountain spring, so we irrigate.
01:26:24.000 And it's all the stuff that's gathered from the snowpack that's coming down through the rocks.
01:26:30.000 Now, during this whole pandemic, what about your Osteria and serving food?
01:26:35.000 It did okay.
01:26:36.000 We did everything, whatever the rules were, we went above and beyond the rules, but we made sure we were providing food.
01:26:42.000 We were making sure that we had stuff to serve you and making sure that people got fed.
01:26:47.000 What were the rules out there?
01:26:48.000 Because it's not the most populated place.
01:26:50.000 We were completely shut down for like six weeks, seven weeks.
01:26:53.000 And then they said, okay, if you're serving food, you have alcohol and you're serving food, you can sell the bottles to go, you can serve food to go.
01:27:03.000 So we did that.
01:27:04.000 Set the table up, did that.
01:27:05.000 And as soon as they said, okay, you can be at 50% occupancy.
01:27:08.000 Okay, great.
01:27:09.000 So you separate the tables out and...
01:27:12.000 Let people come in, you know, wear your mask on your way to the bathroom.
01:27:16.000 Just be cool.
01:27:17.000 Just be cool.
01:27:18.000 Yeah.
01:27:19.000 And we did okay.
01:27:20.000 I mean, we're not, you know, we're definitely down from last year, but there's restaurants. 0.98
01:27:25.000 There's, I mean, the restaurant industry is fucking hammered.
01:27:28.000 I don't know if you've been keeping up on that. 0.96
01:27:30.000 Oh, believe me.
01:27:31.000 I've had Adam Perry laying in and Janet's green.
01:27:35.000 You should get Bobby Stuckey in here.
01:27:38.000 Who's Bobby?
01:27:38.000 Bobby Stuckey from Frosca Food& Wine in Boulder, Colorado.
01:27:42.000 He's one of the...
01:27:43.000 I see him out there championing, trying to get this funding for the small restaurants.
01:27:47.000 These people that have these amazing restaurants, I was telling you about Felix.
01:27:51.000 Felix is in Venice.
01:27:53.000 They're very lucky that they have this outside area they can set up there.
01:27:56.000 They're very fortunate they have that kind of space, but so many people do not.
01:28:00.000 And L.A. just won't let them open.
01:28:04.000 L.A. won't let them open at half capacity.
01:28:06.000 They won't let them open...
01:28:07.000 Most restaurants are operating at a 10% margin if they're doing great.
01:28:11.000 Janet was explaining that when she was in here.
01:28:14.000 It's not what you think.
01:28:17.000 The thing that blows my mind, though, jumping several hats here, is watching people go, I'm just going to get my...
01:28:25.000 I'm just going to get my relief money and hang out.
01:28:27.000 Hey, you want a job?
01:28:27.000 We have this job we need to do.
01:28:29.000 There's this job that continues to need to be done, even with all this shit's going on. 0.99
01:28:33.000 We're still digging holes. 0.98
01:28:34.000 Then I won't get my check.
01:28:36.000 Then I won't get my check.
01:28:37.000 Okay, so let's just be clear.
01:28:39.000 So you don't want to help me do the job.
01:28:42.000 You want to get your money.
01:28:43.000 Okay.
01:28:44.000 It's not a lot of money, and it's not going to be forever, but I'm going to figure out a way to do this job without you.
01:28:50.000 And then when you come looking for the job and the money runs out, I'm going to say... 1.00
01:28:54.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:28:55.000 Eat a dick. 1.00
01:28:57.000 Bag of salty dicks. 1.00
01:28:59.000 Or sweet, salty, whichever. 1.00
01:29:01.000 You choose.
01:29:02.000 Sweet or salty. 1.00
01:29:03.000 Bag of dicks for you. 1.00
01:29:06.000 Because we figured out how to do it without you. 1.00
01:29:09.000 We needed you.
01:29:09.000 We needed you.
01:29:10.000 And then you didn't want to do it.
01:29:12.000 No amount of money is going to patch this up.
01:29:14.000 There's a thing we're actually doing.
01:29:16.000 We have to tend the vines.
01:29:18.000 We have to tend the greenhouse.
01:29:20.000 There's things we have to do to get there.
01:29:22.000 So you're talking about specific instances inside of your community.
01:29:26.000 Oh, yeah.
01:29:28.000 I'm talking about in Los Angeles or in a big city, you get that sort of diffusion of responsibility thing where there's so many people and there's a lot of people that would just rather take that check.
01:29:38.000 But you're getting that out of employees.
01:29:40.000 Right.
01:29:40.000 Yeah.
01:29:41.000 Well, used to be.
01:29:42.000 Yeah.
01:29:43.000 Yeah.
01:29:44.000 We found a way around you.
01:29:46.000 But it's funny, though.
01:29:46.000 Some people will be angry at you for that.
01:29:48.000 They'll say, well, why should they risk their lives to work?
01:29:56.000 Yeah, why should you?
01:29:57.000 Well, if you are going to do this with your employees, do you give them precautions on how to protect themselves?
01:30:07.000 Oh, absolutely.
01:30:08.000 First and foremost, our employees are the first consideration, keeping them safe.
01:30:15.000 So any policies, if I have to take the hit for the policy, I'll take the hit for the policy because I'm protecting the employee.
01:30:21.000 Have you thought about providing them with vitamins and zinc and that kind of thing?
01:30:25.000 We just put them in rubber suits.
01:30:29.000 Rubber suits?
01:30:29.000 I'm just kidding.
01:30:30.000 I got the Devo masks.
01:30:32.000 No, you just have policies in place and you arm them with the authority to have a person not be able to be in your store.
01:30:41.000 They're not going to respect...
01:30:43.000 The constant interaction that that employee has to go through all day long.
01:30:47.000 It's the same thing in a plane.
01:30:49.000 That flight attendant had to breathe your cigarette smoke for years. 1.00
01:30:53.000 Do all of them die of cancer?
01:30:55.000 No.
01:30:55.000 Did some of them get cancer?
01:30:57.000 Not all of them got cancer.
01:30:59.000 Not all of them died of cancer, but they risk getting cancer.
01:31:01.000 That was the argument about bars too, right?
01:31:03.000 They should be able to smoke in bars. 0.94
01:31:05.000 What about the people that have to work in those bars? 0.91
01:31:07.000 Every day, they're exposing that person to that thing.
01:31:09.000 That's why you don't.
01:31:10.000 Not because of you, not because of my clothing being stinking like cigarettes.
01:31:14.000 No, it's because that person is being exposed to that every day, and the more they're exposed to it, the more they're being put at risk.
01:31:22.000 That responsibility for your fellow human is that. 0.99
01:31:26.000 But on the bright side, we have been provided with videos of these fucking non-mask protesting douchebags that just scream at Walmart and scream at people about the taking away my rights. 0.99
01:31:38.000 Comedy is like, it's just like the cornucopia of comedy is just like billowing out like all year long. 0.99
01:31:44.000 It's been incredible.
01:31:46.000 It's amazing how many people are just flying.
01:31:47.000 I have to cut you off pretty soon.
01:31:48.000 I've got to jump on it.
01:31:49.000 You've got to hit your flight.
01:31:51.000 So one more time, let's go over the thing.
01:31:55.000 What is the date of the live stream?
01:31:58.000 October 30th?
01:31:59.000 October 30th is the concert film being streamed online at Pussy4Alive.com.
01:32:04.000 You can get tickets.
01:32:06.000 The album itself is out on the 30th as well.
01:32:08.000 You can get it on Spotify, iTunes, Amazon.
01:32:11.000 You can buy it off the Pussifer.com website, CD, vinyl.
01:32:15.000 I think the vinyl is all sold out.
01:32:16.000 And you have two songs that are available right now.
01:32:18.000 Yeah, two songs are available right now.
01:32:20.000 And when it happens, we'll put it up on the Instagram and let all the folks know.
01:32:26.000 Thank you. 0.95
01:32:26.000 Look, I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate you taking the time to come here. 0.95
01:32:30.000 No problem. 0.98
01:32:31.000 And thank you for all the gifts.
01:32:32.000 I will read it.
01:32:34.000 I will read it.
01:32:35.000 Protection.
01:32:35.000 You should wear the boxing gloves while you're reading it.
01:32:40.000 And I'm going to keep this lunchbox close, near, and dear to my heart. 1.00
01:32:44.000 Maynard, you're a bad motherfucker. 0.99
01:32:45.000 I appreciate you, brother. 1.00
01:32:46.000 Thank you.
01:32:46.000 Cheers, man.
01:32:46.000 Thank you.
01:32:47.000 Goodbye, everybody.
01:32:48.000 Thank you.
01:32:48.000 Bye-bye.