The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1589 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day.

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00:00:08.000 All day.

00:00:14.000 Gentlemen, good to see you.

00:00:15.000 Hey! 0.99

00:00:16.000 No mention of your mustache.

00:00:17.000 I'm not even going to bring it up.

00:00:18.000 Absolutely nothing.

00:00:20.000 Mark's mustache looks good, and I'm happy to be here, Joe.

00:00:22.000 Well, I like the fact that you trimmed it down. 0.99

00:00:24.000 You had the crazy, bushy, the full fucking spec-op beard. 0.99

00:00:29.000 Grizzly Adams. 1.00

00:00:30.000 Yeah, and you went with the porn stache. 0.92

00:00:33.000 Yes.

00:00:34.000 That's it?

00:00:35.000 Yes.

00:00:35.000 Nothing more?

00:00:36.000 Tom Selleck?

00:00:37.000 Who else?

00:00:38.000 It's a very good Tom Selleck.

00:00:39.000 Thank you.

00:00:40.000 What is the guy that has the coffee?

00:00:42.000 The guy from Columbia?

00:00:45.000 Juan Valdez.

00:00:45.000 Didn't Juan Valdez have a...

00:00:47.000 Didn't he have a porn stash as well? 0.91

00:00:49.000 Oh, he did. 0.65

00:00:50.000 I think.

00:00:50.000 I believe so.

00:00:51.000 I don't know why.

00:00:51.000 It's just full and bushy.

00:00:53.000 I don't know why I came up with Juan Valdez, but I think it's because of the coffee.

00:00:57.000 You poured the coffee.

00:00:59.000 Stashes used to be a thing.

00:01:01.000 It used to be a full-on thing.

00:01:03.000 And it just stopped being a thing.

00:01:04.000 There he is.

00:01:06.000 That's it.

00:01:07.000 It's a Juan Valdez.

00:01:08.000 Carlos Sanchez is the real guy.

00:01:10.000 So he's Juan Valdez.

00:01:13.000 How long did you rock your mustache, Joe?

00:01:15.000 For about 30 seconds. 0.99

00:01:17.000 Mrs. Rogan was having no fucking part of it. 1.00

00:01:20.000 I had a full beard, and I shaved everything but the stache. 0.99

00:01:23.000 I go, I'm thinking about kipping this.

00:01:25.000 What do you think?

00:01:26.000 Some women like mustaches. 1.00

00:01:27.000 Yeah, I like my door at home. 0.98

00:01:28.000 Lesbians. 1.00

00:01:29.000 Because my kids have threatened to come in and cut it off. 1.00

00:01:32.000 The women who like mustaches hate men. 1.00

00:01:34.000 They just want you to look like a dork. 1.00

00:01:35.000 They're like, go ahead, wear that, stupid. 1.00

00:01:40.000 That's what happened with mine. 1.00

00:01:41.000 Becky snuck up while I was sleeping, put the clippers right under my nose because I'm a light sleeper, and then turn it on, clip my mustache just like that. 0.99

00:01:49.000 All they have to do is just cut it off on the sides and give you a Hitler. 0.94

00:01:52.000 Oh yeah, you're done.

00:01:53.000 That's good.

00:01:54.000 You're done.

00:01:55.000 The girls keep on complaining that it makes me look old.

00:01:57.000 I say I am old.

00:01:58.000 I'm 68. I feel young.

00:02:02.000 It's the style, right?

00:02:03.000 It's the style thing.

00:02:04.000 You don't like the style.

00:02:05.000 I like the porn stash.

00:02:07.000 I like that.

00:02:08.000 Yeah, but even porn stars don't wear them anymore.

00:02:11.000 It's like an 80s porn stache.

00:02:13.000 I'm stuck in the 80s.

00:02:14.000 It's retro.

00:02:14.000 There was one guy who was a famous guy who wore the porn stache who went into real estate.

00:02:22.000 Harry... 1.00

00:02:25.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:02:25.000 I'm trying to remember his name. 0.99

00:02:28.000 Ron Jeremy?

00:02:28.000 Reams?

00:02:29.000 Harry Reams?

00:02:30.000 Oh.

00:02:30.000 Harry Reams.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, Reams.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, he was like a famous porn star in the 80s, in the heyday, back in the Bush days, and not George W., And then he, there he is, Harry Reams.

00:02:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:43.000 And he went on to be very successful.

00:02:46.000 That's like Mr. Atlas.

00:02:48.000 Oh, I said be careful zooming out here.

00:02:50.000 Above the waist.

00:02:51.000 I thought you said he's moving out here. 0.99

00:02:53.000 I'm like, fucking everybody's moving out here. 0.99

00:02:54.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:02:55.000 Famous porn star Harry Reams. 0.87

00:02:57.000 There it is. 0.89

00:02:57.000 There you go. 0.89

00:02:59.000 Geez.

00:02:59.000 I like that one.

00:03:00.000 So, gentlemen, anyway.

00:03:01.000 Yes, sir.

00:03:02.000 We're in Texas.

00:03:02.000 Always great to be here with you.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, and another mover.

00:03:07.000 You're a mover here as well.

00:03:09.000 Yep.

00:03:10.000 Spent last month with his parents looking for a house and I think we've found a nice house to move into in Spring, Texas.

00:03:17.000 What pushed you over the edge? 0.99

00:03:21.000 All the bullshit going on in California. 0.99

00:03:23.000 The laws, the restrictions, the taxes, 13.3%, the governor, the mayor, the congressmen, the senators. 1.00

00:03:32.000 Is that enough?

00:03:34.000 Yeah, that's enough.

00:03:34.000 Okay, good.

00:03:35.000 I second all that.

00:03:36.000 That's what moved.

00:03:36.000 But as a doctor, when you look at the lockdowns, this is where it gets really controversial, right?

00:03:44.000 Because people are saying that the whole reason for doing this is to protect people because the emergency rooms are overcrowded.

00:03:49.000 And you don't think that's a suitable...

00:03:53.000 No, I think restrictions of our rights is a key issue there.

00:03:58.000 You know, in looking, contrasting what has been going on in Texas outside of Austin, but in Houston and other places, they're reasonable.

00:04:05.000 Abbott has been very reasonable about certain factors that I love.

00:04:09.000 We're a law-abiding state.

00:04:12.000 We believe in individual rights.

00:04:14.000 California is the opposite.

00:04:17.000 How can you live pleasantly, regardless of what occupation you're in, how can you live there?

00:04:22.000 Understanding that every movement that you're doing is under surveillance.

00:04:26.000 Cops are coming to your house during Thanksgiving.

00:04:28.000 Is that happening though?

00:04:30.000 I know something happened in Canada.

00:04:32.000 It was a really disturbing thing.

00:04:34.000 Did you see about that?

00:04:35.000 I did see in Canada. 0.99

00:04:35.000 They came in like full fucking Gestapo mode. 0.99

00:04:39.000 Just a family. 0.99

00:04:39.000 Yeah, they had five people in the house or something like that, and people ratted them out. 0.99

00:04:44.000 As soon as you make something a law, and then you send cops out to enforce that, and the cops think they're justified, and you get a few dumb cops, and then they do something like this, it just lets everybody know, like, oh, this is why it's dangerous to have too many restrictions.

00:04:59.000 Because then you have people that have to enforce those restrictions.

00:05:02.000 Right, and they're not doing their job.

00:05:03.000 I mean, the...

00:05:04.000 The sheriff and the head of police in California or in Los Angeles came out and said they wouldn't uphold the restrictions that Newsom was putting in, I think in San Francisco also, because it would take them away from their ability to do the real work, protecting the citizens,

00:05:20.000 not arresting them.

00:05:22.000 You know, what happened in Staten Island is just mind-boggling with that restaurateur was arrested and given a $10,000 a day fine for having his restaurant open.

00:05:35.000 He was social distancing.

00:05:36.000 He had the shields and protection.

00:05:38.000 Everyone was wearing a mask.

00:05:40.000 But because they had locked down Staten Island so tightly, you know, they're devastating all the businesses there.

00:05:46.000 But he went up against it.

00:05:47.000 It just seems to me that the amount of money that it would have cost to open up new ICU rooms and figure out a way to staff them would have been far less than the amount of money that it's costing all these people to lose their businesses,

00:06:04.000 all these people to stop working.

00:06:06.000 It just seems rational.

00:06:08.000 The amount of money, you could have figured out a way to tax people and say, We're going to let everybody open up, but we need a temporary tax on sales of whatever that'll just go to help this.

00:06:21.000 And people probably would have said, okay, it'll just keep...

00:06:24.000 And give people the opportunity.

00:06:25.000 You have your options.

00:06:27.000 You have your rights.

00:06:28.000 You can choose to go to work, choose to go to these restaurants, choose to go to these bars, and we'll figure out some way to open up more...

00:06:36.000 Wasn't New York City doing something like that?

00:06:38.000 I don't I think they were doing some...

00:06:40.000 In restaurants, they were adding a small amount of additional tax to compensate for the COVID... They shut down indoor dining.

00:06:50.000 At least they have outdoor dining, which is hilarious. 0.98

00:06:54.000 New York has it, and it's fucking freezing and snowing. 0.95

00:06:57.000 L.A. doesn't have it. 0.99

00:06:58.000 And then the woman who votes... 1.00

00:07:00.000 It's one woman who decides to shut everything down... 1.00

00:07:03.000 Goes to dinner outside the day she does it and lied and said the reason why she was doing it is because her favorite restaurant and she wanted to say she was sorry to the staff and apologized for what they had to do.

00:07:16.000 Didn't talk to anybody there.

00:07:17.000 Full on lie.

00:07:19.000 The people who work there going, she didn't talk to us.

00:07:21.000 Rules don't count for them.

00:07:24.000 It's just, I get that people want to stay safe.

00:07:27.000 But as a doctor, does this make sense to you?

00:07:31.000 No.

00:07:32.000 On my list, I have a couple of the articles.

00:07:37.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:07:38.000 When you look at California in the repetitive manner in which they put a lockdown, we should see if it's effective.

00:07:44.000 The numbers of cases dropping, but they're not.

00:07:47.000 They're going up.

00:07:47.000 So what does it tell us?

00:07:48.000 It tells us that the masks aren't working.

00:07:50.000 The six feet of separation is not working.

00:07:53.000 There's some other element that's out there that's creating, you know, negating all the protective modalities that they're doing.

00:08:00.000 So why lock down, you know, the state?

00:08:03.000 Allow people to have their employment?

00:08:09.000 Check me if I'm wrong, but haven't cases gone down over the last two weeks since everything's been completely locked up?

00:08:17.000 No, they've been...

00:08:18.000 One day they went up, I know, and I saw that yesterday.

00:08:20.000 Spike. 0.95

00:08:20.000 Newsom said there's going to be a surge on top of a surge if they're waiting for it. 0.95

00:08:23.000 And they're talking about... 0.99

00:08:24.000 How the fuck does she know? 0.99

00:08:24.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:08:26.000 Because he's a doctor.

00:08:28.000 He's the grand poobah. 0.95

00:08:28.000 That's it. 0.95

00:08:29.000 Are they using the PCR test to...

00:08:32.000 To validate that?

00:08:33.000 That's a huge question.

00:08:34.000 They're using the PCR test and they're using the rapid one, but they're not accurate.

00:08:40.000 They're not accurate.

00:08:42.000 They're just something we have now to utilize and then put a lot of credibility on it.

00:08:46.000 The difference between the different PCR testing is that So there's a spike around Christmas time, which is supposedly due to what?

00:08:56.000 Is the idea that it's due to gatherings?

00:08:59.000 Because they were trying to say that it's related to Thanksgiving.

00:09:04.000 So between October, November, end of November, but if you look at it, it seems like two weeks after the end of November, that would make sense, right?

00:09:12.000 That would be right around, show me like...

00:09:17.000 Yeah, well, that's longer than two weeks, right?

00:09:20.000 Because it seems like it kicked in.

00:09:22.000 The spikes kicked in right around.

00:09:25.000 Well, what is the first big spike right there?

00:09:27.000 What is that?

00:09:28.000 The 16. Well, that's kind of two weeks.

00:09:31.000 That's two weeks-ish.

00:09:32.000 I would want to know what cycles they're testing on, if there's any changes at the PCR test.

00:09:36.000 I believe this is hospitalization, though, right?

00:09:38.000 Or is this new cases?

00:09:39.000 It's new cases.

00:09:40.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 It's not good, but, you know, someone pointed out that the CDC website has finally got information on it about vitamin D and some other things.

00:09:53.000 They just put it on there, just in December.

00:09:55.000 We're just like, Jesus, guys, nine months into a fucking pandemic, and you just started putting things on about vitamins and the importance of nutrition? 0.97

00:10:03.000 Right. 0.97

00:10:04.000 And that's one of the issues that they're really missing is nutritional.

00:10:06.000 I think I was sharing with you earlier about in India, which has four times the amount of population as the United States, they've only recorded 167, I have a slide up there, 167,000 people.

00:10:18.000 And it's because in their nutrition, they have things that carry the protective zinc into the cell, which are called inophores, which is hydrochloroquine is one of them, Quercetin, EGCG, which is the green extract from green tea extract.

00:10:34.000 Quercetin, as I said, and bismuth.

00:10:36.000 We need to have a carrier to bring charged particles into our cells like zinc, magnesium, and so forth.

00:10:44.000 So zinc, Dr. Saluth out of Johns Hopkins did a beautiful dissertation where he showed that when zinc is inside the cell and you get the COVID virus, Genome being injected.

00:10:58.000 There's a protein which is replicase.

00:11:02.000 Well, zinc inhibits the replicase's ability to take over our cell's mechanism for generating more viral genome particles.

00:11:09.000 So zinc is what stops it.

00:11:12.000 I mean, for the past 25 years in our practice, we use zinc as a means of slowing down the conversion of testosterone to estradiol.

00:11:21.000 Well, it turns out that that has protected our patient population.

00:11:24.000 With our population being what it is, we've only had one person get COVID out of the entire group, and that's because they've all been on quercetin, which is a means of increasing energy production.

00:11:35.000 And I'll tell you honestly, I didn't know that it was an inophore until just a year ago, but it carried the zinc that they were taking.

00:11:41.000 The reason they were taking quercetin is because it upregulates ATP, the energy molecule of the body.

00:11:47.000 Didn't you also say that quercetin has some sort of a nootropic effect as well?

00:11:51.000 Yeah, in the brain it drops inflammation.

00:11:53.000 You know, the way that we lose our cognitive ability is by inflammation.

00:11:58.000 And that's the whole premise of what, you know, Andrew and I are doing relative to treating our veterans as well as civilians, is quercetin as well as zinc itself has the ability to drop inflammation in the brain.

00:12:11.000 You drop inflammation and you get improvement in cognitive ability.

00:12:15.000 The communication opens up.

00:12:17.000 So what is it in the food in India?

00:12:19.000 What specific part of their diet?

00:12:21.000 Turcumin.

00:12:22.000 It's an incredible inophore.

00:12:25.000 And that's the reason why they're protected.

00:12:27.000 And where's their zinc coming from if they're not taking capsules of zinc?

00:12:30.000 Well, legumes, red meat, which they don't eat, seafood, which they eat a lot of, and also nuts.

00:12:36.000 They're very high in natural zinc.

00:12:39.000 So for them, they're getting it from the legumes and from the seafood.

00:12:42.000 And then they're getting the turmeric or the curcumin.

00:12:45.000 Does no one in India eat meat?

00:12:47.000 No, they eat the orthodox Hindu.

00:12:53.000 Don't eat it.

00:12:55.000 But they drink green tea, which is another inophore that brings it in.

00:13:00.000 Maybe in certain nutrients there's bismuth, so that helps.

00:13:03.000 Or pepto-bismol if they've got an upset stomach.

00:13:06.000 And doesn't vitamin K also, is it vitamin K that helps the absorption of vitamin D3? Is that what it is?

00:13:13.000 The use of vitamin K, the story behind it is, if you take vitamin D, the main function that we've thought about vitamin D, though right now it's this unbelievable hormone.

00:13:27.000 As you know, vitamin D is not really a vitamin, it's a hormone that comes off of cholesterol.

00:13:30.000 So if we do anything to diminish our cholesterol levels in our body, we lose not only All the hormones that are generated off of cholesterol, but we lose vitamin D. Does that happen when people take statins?

00:13:42.000 Correct.

00:13:43.000 Correct.

00:13:44.000 Because there's a health repercussion for taking statins for some people, right?

00:13:48.000 And vitamin D counters it.

00:13:49.000 I've got an article up there which talks about it.

00:13:52.000 But vitamin D It draws from the gut calcium from your nutrition, calcium and phosphate.

00:13:59.000 So calcium, they're afraid that too much calcium will cause atherosclerosis because hardening of the arteries is not cholesterol.

00:14:07.000 Hardening of the arteries is calcium deposited on the walls of the arteries to fix damage to the walls.

00:14:14.000 So vitamin K, K2, K7 are to remove the calcium from the wall.

00:14:20.000 So the calcium is on the walls to fix damage to the walls that is caused by?

00:14:25.000 Inflammation.

00:14:26.000 Our nutrition can cause inflammation, cigarette smoking, diabetes.

00:14:29.000 There's a whole group of things that lead to what's called intima inflammation. 0.96

00:14:33.000 Intima is the lining of the arteries, and they become inflamed and sticky.

00:14:37.000 So our body has, by what they call secondary intent, a means of fixing things.

00:14:42.000 The first thing they throw in there is cholesterol.

00:14:44.000 Why cholesterol?

00:14:45.000 Because cholesterol is what makes up the membrane of all our cells.

00:14:49.000 So the cell is trying to get repaired.

00:14:52.000 And then what happens is the cholesterol becomes a bystander or innocent participant in this process.

00:14:58.000 Cholesterol can't fix it, so calcium comes in and gets laminated down on the artery walls, and that's what causes atherosclerosis.

00:15:06.000 It's so funny because in today's world, the word cholesterol is like a red flag for something bad in your diet.

00:15:12.000 Correct.

00:15:12.000 But it's also something the body makes on its own.

00:15:15.000 Correct.

00:15:15.000 So your body makes cholesterol, then you have dietary cholesterol.

00:15:19.000 15%.

00:15:19.000 And there's some cholesterol that you can get from plant-based foods, right?

00:15:23.000 Correct.

00:15:23.000 So if someone is only eating vegetables, what's the best source of cholesterol for them when it comes to dietary cholesterol?

00:15:30.000 That would be my daughter Allison to answer that question, because I turned to her. 0.68

00:15:34.000 Oh.

00:15:35.000 But yeah, there's cholesterols.

00:15:37.000 Get her on the phone.

00:15:39.000 She's here.

00:15:39.000 I know.

00:15:42.000 Unfortunately, I have three mics in this room right now.

00:15:45.000 But anyway, she would be the one.

00:15:46.000 She's the one that does the nutrition and support for our patients and gut brain health. 1.00

00:15:53.000 And so what I'm getting at is like it's not just that you take a vitamin like D3 or zinc.

00:16:01.000 You really want to take a whole...

00:16:04.000 Correct.

00:16:05.000 You want it like an ecosystem.

00:16:06.000 Correct.

00:16:06.000 You want it all to work together.

00:16:08.000 It's like in a lot of the guys that come in on testosterone alone.

00:16:13.000 They're having problems even being on testosterone whether or not it's a high dose or low dose or medium dose.

00:16:18.000 They're not having the full benefits of having a balanced hormonal system.

00:16:21.000 And we should talk about why they're taking damage to the pituitary gland that a lot of soldiers experience from blasts.

00:16:29.000 Well, the regulatory system, the hypothalamus, is like a sensor.

00:16:33.000 And it says, okay, what's in the blood right now?

00:16:36.000 It says low level of testosterone sends a signal to the pituitary, the master gland, to release LH or luteinizing hormone that goes to the gonads, whether or not it's male or female, to generate more testosterone.

00:16:49.000 And then that level of testosterone, the rise of testosterone in the blood, goes back to the hypothalamus, and the hypothalamus says, oh, we've got enough testosterone, let's shut down the stimulation of the pituitary, drop the stimulation of the testicles.

00:17:03.000 So any kind of trauma, like we've had guys who had IED blow up underneath their vehicle, and the blast wave was enough to destroy the testicles, so they could not, even under appropriate stimulation, generate testosterone.

00:17:17.000 So that's called primary hypogonadism, where it damages the testicles.

00:17:23.000 And they're high levels of luteinizing hormone because it's trying to get the testicles or the gonads to make hormones. 1.00

00:17:29.000 And it doesn't.

00:17:30.000 Those are the ones that you need to give injectable testosterone to or topical or pellets or whatever they agree to.

00:17:37.000 So when it comes to the balance of nutrition, making sure that all these things work together, that can be very complicated for people.

00:17:44.000 Sure.

00:17:44.000 Like it's hard to remember.

00:17:49.000 What's the best way to make sure that you're getting all your bases covered?

00:17:53.000 Well, it used to be.

00:17:55.000 That you eat a good amount of vegetables, fruits, legumes included in it, but what's happened is our soils are being depleted of all the nutrients that you need, so you need to supplement.

00:18:11.000 So, staying away from glutens, all the artificial glutens, inflammatory diets...

00:18:20.000 What do you mean by artificial glutens?

00:18:22.000 I didn't mean artificial glutens.

00:18:24.000 It's...

00:18:24.000 GMOs.

00:18:24.000 The GMOs, thank you.

00:18:26.000 The GMOs, staying away from the genetically modified plant material.

00:18:32.000 Because it's higher yield, it's more difficult for the body to break down.

00:18:35.000 Correct.

00:18:35.000 That's what causes inflammation.

00:18:36.000 As well as, you know, the glutens.

00:18:39.000 We're finding more people with gluten sensitivity than allergic, you know, celiac disease.

00:18:46.000 We're finding more people that are sensitive.

00:18:48.000 Allison is one.

00:18:49.000 She doesn't have the genome for being gluten resistant or sensitive or allergic. 0.61

00:18:57.000 She has sensitivity.

00:18:58.000 And when she's off it, she loses weight, she feels better, doesn't have the inflammation going into the brain, which is a key issue.

00:19:05.000 If you have an inflammatory diet, It's going to lead to changes in the brain and brain function.

00:19:11.000 But back to your question relative to nutrition, it's all the basic food groups would drop in the carbohydrates.

00:19:18.000 I know you enjoyed the carnivore diet with high protein intake.

00:19:23.000 I'm on that now.

00:19:24.000 It's crazy how quickly it changes the way your body works.

00:19:28.000 I'm five days in now, is today the 5th?

00:19:31.000 Yeah, so five days in, energy levels through the roof.

00:19:36.000 That's what happens every time.

00:19:37.000 And I slim up.

00:19:39.000 I've already lost like four and a half, five pounds.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, that's because you're not kicking in insulin.

00:19:45.000 When you're eating meals that have carbohydrates, insulin is called the hormone of storage.

00:19:50.000 So what happens is whatever you eat, a certain percentage of that is stored.

00:19:54.000 For me, though, it's 100% pasta.

00:19:57.000 It's pasta and bread.

00:19:58.000 When I cut that out, I feel great. 0.96

00:20:00.000 But I'm just such a slob.

00:20:03.000 When I eat it, I get fat. 0.92

00:20:05.000 My stomach blows up, my face gets fat, and I get tired. 1.00

00:20:09.000 But I still eat it because I'm a moron. 1.00

00:20:13.000 We're human. 0.99

00:20:14.000 You get the spike of insulin, which drops your level of...

00:20:18.000 Sorry, if I blacked it.

00:20:19.000 No worries.

00:20:20.000 I'll use this arm.

00:20:21.000 You know, the spike in insulin causes a drop in sugar, in glucose.

00:20:26.000 And the brain's very sensitive to loss of glucose.

00:20:29.000 And it could cause fatigue, cognitive impairment.

00:20:34.000 It can actually cause some tremors and some dryness of the mouth.

00:20:37.000 But it doesn't seem to happen the same way with fruit.

00:20:40.000 If I'm eating fruit, I don't get that.

00:20:41.000 Fructose.

00:20:42.000 Yeah.

00:20:42.000 Fructose has to go through a process of being converted to glucose.

00:20:46.000 So it's delayed.

00:20:47.000 So when you take things like...

00:20:50.000 What's my favorite? 1.00

00:20:51.000 I used to eat a donut, which is full of all that shit. 1.00

00:20:55.000 That's a tranquilizer dart. 1.00

00:20:57.000 Correct.

00:20:58.000 Two hours after eating it, I'm in bed for half an hour.

00:21:00.000 Yeah.

00:21:01.000 Because I have hypoglycemic anyway.

00:21:02.000 That's why I have to be very careful with what I eat.

00:21:04.000 Well, I'm generally very healthy with what I eat, but occasionally I go off the reservation.

00:21:09.000 And one time I had a cheeseburger with a giant milkshake.

00:21:16.000 And after I ate it, I literally felt like I got poisoned.

00:21:20.000 I had a light on the couch.

00:21:21.000 I had a headache.

00:21:23.000 I couldn't take any noise.

00:21:25.000 I was like, oh!

00:21:26.000 It took hours before I felt normal again.

00:21:28.000 It's so funny.

00:21:28.000 You don't feel good afterwards, but you want it until the point you have it.

00:21:31.000 Why did I do that?

00:21:32.000 It was majestic.

00:21:34.000 It's so good.

00:21:35.000 What about Gus's fried chicken?

00:21:37.000 Gus's fried chicken is fantastic.

00:21:39.000 Is that bad or is that good? 0.99

00:21:40.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:21:42.000 I'm in. 0.99

00:21:43.000 Whatever it is, it's good.

00:21:45.000 Gus's fried chicken with hot sauce on it.

00:21:47.000 It's not like a thick breading, whatever it is, but there's definitely some gluten in there.

00:21:52.000 Something.

00:21:52.000 I don't know.

00:21:53.000 Corn starch?

00:21:54.000 I don't know what they put on the outside.

00:21:55.000 But it's that good.

00:21:56.000 I was told I had to go there.

00:21:57.000 It's weird because it's a chain, but it doesn't seem like it's a chain.

00:22:00.000 I've never heard of it before.

00:22:02.000 They're sneaky.

00:22:02.000 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 If you go, it's like down, if you go straight out of the Four Seasons, if you go straight and then it's to the right, fantastic.

00:22:11.000 We'll have to try it. 0.98

00:22:11.000 Some damn good fried chicken. 0.98

00:22:13.000 You recommend it. 0.99

00:22:14.000 Yeah, I recommend it.

00:22:15.000 But if you get it, get some hot sauce.

00:22:17.000 Squirt some hot sauce on that bad boy. 0.98

00:22:18.000 Okay.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, it's legit.

00:22:20.000 But, you know, I mean, is that available on the carnivore diet?

00:22:24.000 Sort of.

00:22:25.000 I mean, there's some bread in there.

00:22:26.000 It's not ideal.

00:22:28.000 But a small amount.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 I think the whole idea is just to make sure that the majority of your diet is healthy.

00:22:36.000 If you have occasional fuck-ups, that's fine.

00:22:39.000 But for people, again, during these times, vitamin D is a big one.

00:22:46.000 We've discussed it many times.

00:22:47.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick has put out many published Or put on our Twitter, rather, many published studies about vitamin D and all the benefits of it.

00:22:58.000 But you don't want to just take that.

00:23:00.000 You don't want to just take C. You want to kind of cover everything.

00:23:04.000 Right.

00:23:05.000 If you're looking at viral protection, because there's a study that was done where it showed if you were at the less than 30, less than 30 nanograms is the deficiency state.

00:23:20.000 You looked at the occurrence of COVID and the death or the illness that's generated or that occurs It's like 85% of the people who have low, less than 30, have it.

00:23:32.000 And as you move up the scale to the higher level, greater than 60, you see 90% of the people have nothing.

00:23:39.000 They have no symptomatology for it because what it does is it protects the body, stimulates the immune system and protects the body from the inflammatory cytokines, which is the Yeah, I think.

00:24:08.000 So people are developing depression, cognitive impairment, intonation, no energy, and it's all because of these cytokines.

00:24:14.000 Once you turn on the cytokines, like we see in our blast trauma veterans, it'll cause these inflammatory chemicals to start leaching or eating away at pathways in the brain, alters the chemistry of the brain.

00:24:28.000 See, that's so confusing to people because a lot of times you hear about cytokines, you hear about like cryotherapy and things along those lines, and you hear cytokines used in a positive way.

00:24:37.000 Yes.

00:24:38.000 There is an acute phase where it helps protect you from invading viruses, bacteria.

00:24:44.000 And then there's a chronic phase where there's an overwhelming production of these cytokines.

00:24:49.000 And it appears that with coronavirus or COVID-19, that it causes this spike in the immune system's production of these cytokines.

00:24:58.000 So it creates an overwhelming amount of inflammation that the body can't recover from.

00:25:03.000 That's one of the things that they put Donald Trump on.

00:25:05.000 They put him on a steroid to deal with the immune response.

00:25:08.000 Correct.

00:25:09.000 So that steroid suppressed his immune system's response to the virus.

00:25:14.000 Same thing that we use steroids for autoimmune diseases before we had these selective medications that selectively diminish Certain of the cytokines like tumor necrosis factor alpha, there's a product called Embril that specifically suppresses it.

00:25:29.000 And we use it for people with psoriatic arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, and Crohn's disease.

00:25:34.000 And it's interesting that the people with autoimmune diseases who are producing these cytokines that create the physical manifestations, they all have depression.

00:25:43.000 And when you treat them for the inflammation, the depression subsides.

00:25:47.000 So you think that a big part of what depression is, is the inflammatory response in the body?

00:25:53.000 Correct.

00:25:53.000 And that's what we're seeing in our project with our veterans and with the civilians.

00:25:57.000 But that would also make sense how so many people on the carnivore diet show that their depression goes away.

00:26:04.000 So, because you're just eating meat, you're not eating a lot of bread and pasta, you're not getting the inflammation.

00:26:09.000 So if you're not getting the inflammation, the depression that they're feeling is directly caused by inflammation.

00:26:14.000 Or like I said about me eating the cheeseburger and the milkshake.

00:26:17.000 You felt horrible.

00:26:18.000 That was depressing.

00:26:19.000 Yeah.

00:26:20.000 If I ate like that every day, I'd probably be depressed.

00:26:23.000 And that is probably what a lot of people are experiencing for a poor diet.

00:26:27.000 Andrew went on a couple of rotating kind of diets.

00:26:29.000 How did it affect you in terms of your psychological outlook?

00:26:35.000 What works for me is carnivore or keto, getting away from anything processed, refined carbohydrates.

00:26:42.000 For whatever reason, I am more cognitively clear when those things aren't introduced in my system.

00:26:47.000 And so I just stay away from the majority.

00:26:50.000 I eat vegetables and meat, basically.

00:26:54.000 And I do great on it.

00:26:55.000 I feel great.

00:26:56.000 This is common.

00:26:56.000 Does it vary, though, depending upon someone's activity level?

00:27:00.000 Yes. 0.97

00:27:00.000 For someone who's like a CrossFitter or someone who does something crazy, high-intensity, burns a lot of calories, do you think then they could handle shit like pasta easier? 0.97

00:27:11.000 No. 0.97

00:27:11.000 I don't know about pastas. 0.97

00:27:12.000 There's a whole bunch of other forms of nutritionally sane carbohydrates to take in.

00:27:19.000 Like fruits.

00:27:20.000 Like fruits.

00:27:21.000 Balance of fruits.

00:27:23.000 And that's one of the things I see with the ketogenic diet.

00:27:26.000 Guys come in, they get on our protocol, and when they're on a balanced hormonal protocol, their metabolism goes up.

00:27:34.000 Because their system's humming.

00:27:35.000 It's purring.

00:27:36.000 Instead of being depleted in one of the hormones that helps with metabolism, it's now brought up, and they need to eat more.

00:27:42.000 So a lot of guys, or I shouldn't say a lot, there are people who complain that they're fatigued.

00:27:47.000 They thought they'd get more energy, but they're more fatigued.

00:27:49.000 It's because their nutrition is poor, and that's where Allison comes in and helps them to readjust and address their nutrition.

00:27:56.000 I wonder if, I mean, and this is not talking about people that have had traumatic brain injury, but I wonder if people that are suffering from depression, have they ever done a study on changing their diet and eliminating inflammatory foods like sugars and pasta and processed carbohydrates and see what kind of an impact that has on before they give them SSRIs?

00:28:15.000 I don't know if before SSRIs, I'd like to say yes, but there have been studies, and you go to Google Scholar and look it up, but they have looked at the different diets and how it affects their emotional state.

00:28:31.000 So depression, anxiety, ADD or ADHD, that we find that high inflammatory nutrition makes it worse.

00:28:42.000 High inflammatory or gut inflammation from dysbiosis, not having the right bacteria, having been on antibiotics or certain medication that disrupts the balance of bacteria in the gut, which alters the way that we absorb our food.

00:28:57.000 And it also generates inflammation, creates depression.

00:29:01.000 So if you're going to put someone on sort of a preventative protocol for COVID, you would recommend quercetin?

00:29:08.000 I just bought some on Amazon after you brought it up because I wasn't taking quercetin.

00:29:13.000 Quercetin at what dose?

00:29:15.000 Well, what we started off just for daily use because the benefit of quercetin is it drops the inflammatory cytokines.

00:29:26.000 It increases mitochondria, so you produce more cells, so you produce more energy, ATP. That was what we were using for, and it was 500 milligrams twice a day.

00:29:37.000 And zinc was 15 to 30 milligrams twice a day.

00:29:41.000 And in the past 20 years, I've been sick 13 days.

00:29:45.000 And what I started seeing in our population, because we do a monthly questionnaire to our patient population, and we have two questions about allergies and about infections or colds.

00:29:54.000 And we started seeing years ago that the number of colds people were having were dropping and their allergies were improving.

00:30:02.000 And honestly, I didn't understand why until COVID and I started looking at how the immune system is influenced by things like zinc and certain of testosterone.

00:30:14.000 Testosterone stimulates the CD4, CD8 cells, which are the immune cells that help to defend us against infections, viral, bacterial, innate immunity.

00:30:25.000 As well as it increases something called intralukin-10, which is an anti-inflammatory product, and it drops the inflammatory intralukins.

00:30:35.000 These are the cytokines produced by our immune system to help fight off infections by sending out an attack against them, which is a biochemical attack, other than just antibodies.

00:30:46.000 So you've got zinc, 15 to 30 milligrams twice a day, quercetin, 500 milligrams twice a day, that's preventive.

00:30:54.000 Treatment, and we've had to treat patients outside of our practice, is a thousand milligrams twice a day with a thousand milligrams twice a day of quercetin and 30 milligrams twice a day of zinc.

00:31:06.000 And this is for someone that has COVID? That's someone who's active.

00:31:09.000 And what's going on with zinc and quercetin and COVID? How does it interact?

00:31:18.000 The virus that gets into our cells, it gets into our cells through something called an ACE2 receptor, and that's what the vaccine is fighting against.

00:31:27.000 They call it the spike protein.

00:31:29.000 So on the outer membrane of the virus are these spikes.

00:31:32.000 So it uses our own system to transport the virus into the cell.

00:31:38.000 Once it's in the cell, the virus releases something called replicase.

00:31:42.000 Replicase is a DNA reverse transcriptase protein that takes over our manufacturing at the ribosome to make more viral genome.

00:31:51.000 Well, it turns out that the replicase has an area on it that if zinc attaches to it, shuts it off.

00:32:00.000 So, quercetin is called an inophore.

00:32:04.000 It carries charged particles into the cell.

00:32:07.000 Otherwise, zinc sits outside the cell.

00:32:09.000 So, zinc without a xynophore?

00:32:11.000 Is that what I'm saying?

00:32:12.000 Inophore.

00:32:12.000 Inophore?

00:32:13.000 Yeah, inophore.

00:32:14.000 Zinc without an inophore, it just doesn't work.

00:32:16.000 Correct.

00:32:17.000 Interesting.

00:32:18.000 So a lot of these people, they're just taking zinc on its own.

00:32:20.000 It doesn't get in the cell, right?

00:32:22.000 It doesn't go into the cell.

00:32:23.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 Generally speaking, it won't get into the cell at a high rate.

00:32:26.000 It will, over time, get in because we have things that we take in, like bismuth in our system from fruits and vegetables.

00:32:33.000 We have EGCG from green tea, if people are drinking green tea.

00:32:38.000 We've got curcumin from food.

00:32:40.000 That's why in India they don't get it. 1.00

00:32:42.000 So they're getting some form of an inophore, but if you want to really...

00:32:46.000 Jam the zinc into the cells.

00:32:49.000 Use a quercetin or turmeric.

00:32:52.000 And then move on to D3. I'm taking 5,000 IUs a day.

00:32:58.000 What do you recommend?

00:32:59.000 I personally take a little bit more than that.

00:33:01.000 How much do you take?

00:33:02.000 50,000 on Mondays and 10,000 or 20,000 on every other day.

00:33:08.000 That's a lot.

00:33:09.000 Why?

00:33:10.000 I don't know.

00:33:11.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:33:12.000 Most people say, I don't know.

00:33:14.000 But is there any negative aspect to it?

00:33:16.000 Yeah, there are negative aspects to high levels of vitamin D, but not due to vitamin D, due to what it does.

00:33:24.000 What vitamin D does, as I said earlier, is it brings calcium in from your nutrition and takes phosphorus in so it can build bone.

00:33:33.000 Calcium, if it's too high, hyperkalemia will cause the nausea, vomiting, and can cause the irregularity of the heart.

00:33:41.000 So if you're taking high dosing of calcium for whatever reason, and you take high dosing of vitamin D, you would be at risk for developing nausea, vomiting, and toxicity.

00:33:51.000 A study that was done, which is also on the paper I gave you, they did 113,000 hospitalized people And they looked at their vitamin D level.

00:34:01.000 They all had been taking vitamin D. They only found, I think it was four people who had toxicity from elevated levels of vitamin D. And it turned out it was the liquid form of vitamin D that created the problem.

00:34:12.000 So from that standpoint, vitamin D is very safe.

00:34:15.000 And I'm talking up numbers that are 60 to 100. I try to keep my range at 80 to 100 because of studies that are shown.

00:34:23.000 Do you take calcium?

00:34:24.000 No.

00:34:25.000 You don't?

00:34:25.000 Why not?

00:34:26.000 I have it in my nutrition and I monitor my calcium every six months in my blood work.

00:34:30.000 So if my levels are where they should be, I'm fine.

00:34:35.000 Okay, so what do you look for in nutrition to get your calcium from?

00:34:38.000 What are you getting it from?

00:34:39.000 You know, I eat cheese.

00:34:41.000 My daughter pulled me off of cow's milk and tried me on...

00:34:45.000 Goat cheese?

00:34:46.000 Goat cheese.

00:34:47.000 She gives me all that stuff.

00:34:49.000 So, my cheese, I get it.

00:34:51.000 And then, you know, there are foods that I eat.

00:34:53.000 I chew on bones, so I get a little calcium that way.

00:34:55.000 You chew on bones?

00:34:56.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:34:58.000 Because I take bone meal.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:02.000 Allison makes bone broth.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, she makes bone broth at home. 1.00

00:35:06.000 So it has good bone marrow, you know, protein and some calcium.

00:35:12.000 I don't know how much calcium you get from it.

00:35:14.000 But I monitor, I'm getting it someplace in my nutrition.

00:35:18.000 So for someone who has osteoporosis, let's point to them.

00:35:22.000 They're recommended to take calcium, right?

00:35:25.000 Correct.

00:35:26.000 Now they're taking calcium and they have vitamin D3. Correct.

00:35:29.000 Then they must be careful about what the levels of vitamin D3 they take.

00:35:32.000 Correct.

00:35:34.000 What do you recommend to someone who's taking calcium?

00:35:36.000 Like what levels...

00:35:38.000 See, I use the science.

00:35:40.000 I use the laboratory to tell me how much.

00:35:42.000 You know, I get ridiculed by my colleagues because I'm giving everybody a baseline of 10,000 units.

00:35:47.000 And they say, oh, that's toxic.

00:35:49.000 You go and do the blood test and you see giving them 10,000, they get a, you know, still suboptimal level of vitamin D. It's because they're not absorbing it.

00:35:58.000 So I can't assume that 10,000 is going to give them toxic levels, you know, calcium absorption.

00:36:03.000 So I start at 5,000 to 10,000.

00:36:07.000 10,000 seems to be the amount.

00:36:08.000 And then their calcium they get.

00:36:10.000 They have a prescribed product which has calcium and vitamin D in a balanced combination already.

00:36:19.000 Who makes that? 0.93

00:36:20.000 I don't remember which pharmaceutical.

00:36:23.000 I don't use it.

00:36:24.000 What was the issue with the liquid vitamin D? Yeah, the only thing is with liquid vitamin D. Yeah, but why, do you think?

00:36:29.000 Because of the absorption rate.

00:36:31.000 Because it gets absorbed so well.

00:36:33.000 Capsule encapsulated, you know, it's fat soluble, you take it after a meal, it gets absorbed.

00:36:37.000 And based upon how good the gut is, you know, dysbiosis, it will regulate how you absorb it.

00:36:42.000 So I don't assume anything.

00:36:44.000 I'll put a patient on a protocol, and then three months later I'll go and test them and see where their levels are at.

00:36:49.000 If they're at a great level on that amount, that's perfect for them.

00:36:54.000 How do I know that whatever I'm giving them is going to be too much, too little, or perfect?

00:36:59.000 And then the level of absorption, which will indicate in their blood, will indicate what levels are shown in the blood, is directly related to their diet as well?

00:37:07.000 Correct.

00:37:08.000 And the other nutrients they're taking?

00:37:09.000 It's related to the status of their gut, the lining of their gut.

00:37:14.000 It's relative to if they took it before food or during food with food.

00:37:18.000 It's a fat-soluble, fat-soluble vitamins like vitamin E, vitamin D or hormone D or DHEA. They all need food to optimize the absorption.

00:37:33.000 Okay, so we got D3, which you take at very high levels.

00:37:38.000 But what do you recommend?

00:37:39.000 10,000?

00:37:41.000 You need to have a blood test.

00:37:43.000 Before we put anybody on vitamin D, we don't just abstractly put them on a number.

00:37:47.000 We check their levels.

00:37:49.000 And I've been absolutely amazed at not only the frequency of deficiency of vitamin D, but the fact that I've got surfers.

00:37:57.000 Who have deficiency of vitamin D. How can you be a surfer out there in the sun and be vitamin D deficient?

00:38:03.000 Wetsuits, right?

00:38:04.000 Well, they wear maybe the top, but their arms and legs below the belly is exposed.

00:38:10.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:38:12.000 I'd see a lot of guys with full wetsuits out there because that fucking Pacific Ocean is cold as shit. 0.99

00:38:16.000 It's cold. 1.00

00:38:17.000 It's cold.

00:38:18.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 But when they get out, they lay down on the beach, you know.

00:38:22.000 I think human beings need a lot of sun.

00:38:24.000 I think the genetics are changing.

00:38:26.000 Yeah, are they?

00:38:27.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:38:28.000 Look, why did we develop this whole system of vitamin D? The vitamin D receptor stimulates hair growth to cover our body with hair to avoid the ionizing radiation that our ancestors Neolithic ancestors used to have.

00:38:41.000 They were getting cancer.

00:38:43.000 They were getting exposed to high levels because the air was clear.

00:38:46.000 There was no smog back then.

00:38:48.000 So they were getting full strength of the radiation from the sun and they were dying.

00:38:53.000 Are you saying that smog is protecting us from cancer?

00:38:56.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:38:59.000 Relative to sun.

00:39:01.000 Joe just pieced it all together.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, so in Hong Kong, not Hong Kong, what are the Chinese cities?

00:39:07.000 Beijing.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, Beijing.

00:39:09.000 It's really bad.

00:39:10.000 I was there.

00:39:11.000 I used to work there.

00:39:12.000 That's right, they did the Olympics there, and they said it was like the worst air quality they've ever had for the Olympics.

00:39:15.000 And the only way they got the air clear there was shutting down all the manufacturing that's in one of the inner circles.

00:39:22.000 See, Beijing grew so rapidly that they have 10 rings around it.

00:39:27.000 And I think in the fourth or fifth ring is where they have all the manufacturing.

00:39:30.000 So when the financial summit happened, they shut them all down, air was clear.

00:39:34.000 Absolutely clear.

00:39:35.000 And the silliest thing, I was there for New Year's one year in February, and they shot off $45 million worth of rockets and fireworks and firecrackers and all that added pollution.

00:39:51.000 You couldn't breathe.

00:39:52.000 And I was on the 27th floor of a building.

00:39:56.000 Couldn't breathe up there.

00:39:57.000 Really?

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.000 It was pretty bad.

00:39:59.000 Pretty bad.

00:40:00.000 Okay.

00:40:01.000 So D3. Yes.

00:40:03.000 So we got quercetin.

00:40:05.000 We got zinc.

00:40:07.000 Zinc.

00:40:07.000 30 milligrams twice a day.

00:40:10.000 Right.

00:40:10.000 Or that's a therapeutic.

00:40:12.000 Therapeutic.

00:40:13.000 1,000 milligrams twice a day with 30 twice a day of zinc.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:17.000 Then D3, figure out what the levels are, but what you're taking is somewhere...

00:40:21.000 I'm taking about 120,000 a week.

00:40:27.000 If someone doesn't have a good place to go, they don't have a good doctor to go, how do they find a doctor that could read their vitamin levels on their blood work?

00:40:36.000 What do you look for?

00:40:38.000 If someone's listening to this, I should get my blood work done.

00:40:41.000 Who do they go to?

00:40:42.000 Well, functional medicine is big now.

00:40:45.000 And in functional medicine, they're looking at your amino acids, they're looking at your vitamin levels, they're looking at your mineral levels, which need to be done.

00:40:52.000 We're not getting our minerals anymore because we're getting bottled water.

00:40:57.000 How many minerals are in here?

00:40:58.000 Zero.

00:40:59.000 All of them.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, right.

00:41:00.000 Zero is...

00:41:02.000 Well, that's hard water, right?

00:41:03.000 Like well water?

00:41:04.000 That's what people call it hard water. 0.98

00:41:06.000 Run off for the mountains.

00:41:07.000 I know, but that's what hard water is, right?

00:41:09.000 That's high in calcium hydroxide or calcium oxide, whatever it is.

00:41:12.000 But it's minerals in the water, right?

00:41:15.000 Yeah, and you can buy the minerals and put a couple of drops into the bottle.

00:41:18.000 I take colloidal.

00:41:20.000 Colloidal, that's it.

00:41:21.000 So you got your D3, you got your quercetin, you got your zinc.

00:41:26.000 What about vitamin C? Vitamin C helps with the immune system.

00:41:31.000 How much do you take?

00:41:33.000 I don't take vitamin C. Really?

00:41:35.000 No.

00:41:36.000 What do you take?

00:41:37.000 I have two or three pieces of citrus fruit that I grow in my backyard every morning.

00:41:43.000 Every now and then, Allison will bring in some of the, from here, it's called strawberry Texas grapefruits.

00:41:52.000 Phenomenal.

00:41:52.000 Sweet as can be.

00:41:54.000 A strawberry grapefruit?

00:41:55.000 They call it strawberry because of the color.

00:41:57.000 The usual one is the pink grapefruits from Texas.

00:42:02.000 Not the yellow ones from Florida, but the pink ones.

00:42:04.000 And they're very high in vitamin C. Also, I grow komkwats, so I'll eat the whole thing. 0.99

00:42:09.000 So they have a lot of natural komkwats, and I get two cycles a year.

00:42:12.000 So I'm always with natural forms.

00:42:15.000 Okay, so you just get it mostly.

00:42:16.000 I get it all naturally, yeah.

00:42:17.000 What other...

00:42:19.000 I mean, this is all we're talking about like during this COVID pandemic where everybody's really concerned about their immune system and protecting themselves from...

00:42:27.000 Yeah, DHEA is also an immune stimulator.

00:42:31.000 DHEA, you know, studies that came out of Massachusetts, male aging study, showed that DHEA is extremely important for protecting the heart.

00:42:40.000 When they looked at, you know, quartiles, the lowest 25% of the range versus the highest, you saw a significant loss of heart attack deaths and a significant decrease in hospitalizations due to heart attack, and that's DHEA. It also stimulates the immune system,

00:42:57.000 so it upregulates the ability of our system to defend itself.

00:43:02.000 So it's a higher quality of defense.

00:43:05.000 And another issue with vitamin D I mean with DHEA is DHEA is important for allowing DHT, dihydrotestosterone, into the cell.

00:43:17.000 And why is that important?

00:43:18.000 DHT is a byproduct of testosterone because it's the combination of DHEA getting DHT, dihydrotestosterone, in the cell that allows for sugar to be brought into the myocytes, into the muscle cells.

00:43:30.000 So there are articles out there talking about if you want to get the optimal benefit for muscle growth, You need to make sure your DHEA levels are optimal to get the DHT to increase glycogen in the muscle cells.

00:43:44.000 So use that for energy and for growth.

00:43:46.000 That's interesting because DHT is also something that's usually frowned upon because people consider it the thing that causes hair loss.

00:43:52.000 Correct.

00:43:52.000 And they obviate the fact that or they ignore the fact that it's four times more anabolic than testosterone.

00:43:59.000 DHT is.

00:44:00.000 And you don't have to have the levels of DHT to induce hair loss.

00:44:05.000 You can have just in the 50th percentile of the range. 0.64

00:44:09.000 Well, I was taking Propecia for a while, and I didn't realize how much it was fucking me up until my prescription ran out. 0.73

00:44:16.000 Like, I was just accustomed to it.

00:44:18.000 And then all of a sudden, I had way more energy.

00:44:21.000 Right.

00:44:23.000 And I was like, what is going on here?

00:44:25.000 And then I realized, oh my god, I'm poisoning myself.

00:44:29.000 Yep.

00:44:29.000 Yeah.

00:44:30.000 Yes.

00:44:30.000 But other people don't have that reaction, apparently.

00:44:33.000 Some people don't have a problem with it.

00:44:34.000 Yeah, it's interesting you bring that up.

00:44:37.000 The Post Finasteride Foundation, or Post Finasteride Syndrome Foundation, we're in the top of providers of care, because the The problem that happens from finasteride is that it inhibits two very important pathways in the brain.

00:44:55.000 One that gives you the ability to grow muscles, the other one which is emotional.

00:44:59.000 So traditionally, the approach for treating the side effects has been just improving DHT. The Propecia, what's the other name?

00:45:12.000 It's all finasteride.

00:45:13.000 Proscar.

00:45:14.000 It's finasteride is the chemical.

00:45:16.000 Finasteride blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. And as I just said, DHT is four times more anabolic than testosterone.

00:45:23.000 Do people take DHT as a supplement?

00:45:25.000 You take testosterone or you take DHEA, which will generate testosterone to generate DHT. So DHT in our brain is what gives us our energy, our libido, our activity level, our cognition to some degree.

00:45:43.000 And then another pathway, which has totally been ignored, is the one where the 5-alpha reductase, which is the enzyme that the propecia of finasteride kills, is important for generating something called allopregnanolone from pregnenolone.

00:46:00.000 Allopregnanolone just came out as a drug last year, or excuse me, two years ago, For $34,000 a year called brixanilone is the chemical name for it.

00:46:12.000 And brixanilone is being used for anti-depression, anti-anxiety, and postpartum depression, which tells us how important pregnenolone is to become progesterone, to become this thing called allopregnanolone in giving you mental stability.

00:46:29.000 So what happens is inflammation that we see in our head trauma cases, it disrupts that pregnenolone, which is also called the mother of all hormones, because it gives rise to all our hormones.

00:46:42.000 So you should supplement with that as well?

00:46:43.000 Supplement with pregnenolone.

00:46:44.000 How much pregnenolone?

00:46:46.000 We use 100 milligrams after dinner now, because it's fat soluble.

00:46:52.000 So once a day, 100 milligrams.

00:46:53.000 Correct.

00:46:54.000 And how much DHEA? DHEA, we start at 25, and we take DHEA at nighttime, not in the morning, like a lot are saying.

00:47:00.000 The reason for taking it at night, it has a side effect of upregulating growth hormone production by up to 15%.

00:47:07.000 So if you take it based upon...

00:47:11.000 The biological clock in the body, you can get benefits in other areas, not just DHEA. But DHEA also helps stabilize glucose and insulin interaction, stimulates the immune system, wound healing, and drops inflammation.

00:47:25.000 That's below the neck.

00:47:27.000 Above the neck, it increases growth hormone.

00:47:29.000 You get a cold.

00:47:30.000 You feel smarter or less smart. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Dumb. 1.00

00:47:33.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:47:34.000 And that's because interleukin-6, which is an inflammatory cytokine that's produced, DHEA helps to keep it quiet, slow it down.

00:47:42.000 So the immune system response pandemic stack.

00:47:46.000 Correct.

00:47:46.000 We've got it dialed in now.

00:47:48.000 This is what it is.

00:47:49.000 So you need pregnenolone, you want some DHEA, you want some quercetin, you want some zinc, and vitamin D3. That's it.

00:47:59.000 Those five.

00:48:00.000 Put those all together and get your C from fruits, you think?

00:48:03.000 Naturally, if you can.

00:48:04.000 If you're sick, though, should you up your C? Would that help?

00:48:08.000 Yeah.

00:48:09.000 There are a lot of products out there that are used for when you get sick.

00:48:14.000 You know, as a means of, it helps stimulate the immune system.

00:48:18.000 It also, I believe that because it's acidic, alkaline acidic, when it gets into the system, it helps to kill the virus, okay, by changing the pH, but you have to take a large quantity of it.

00:48:32.000 You know, they have for cancer therapy, 20,000, 50,000 units of vitamin C. And it's usually IV, right?

00:48:40.000 And it's IV, correct.

00:48:41.000 You can't absorb more than about 10,000 units from the gut, not unless it's nanoliposomal, because the vitamin C is actively transported, meaning that it has a mechanism to transport it into the system.

00:48:55.000 Now, what about things like glutathione and other powerful antioxidants?

00:49:00.000 Yeah, glutathione is really good for the brain.

00:49:02.000 A vitamin C, one specific type of vitamin C, which is called ascorbate palmitate from palmitic acid.

00:49:08.000 It's a fatty acid.

00:49:09.000 It helps the vitamin C get into the system faster.

00:49:13.000 It's great for stimulating under the skin fibrogen and collagen.

00:49:17.000 But in the brain, it regenerates glutathione.

00:49:19.000 It increases an enzyme.

00:49:21.000 But glutathione is probably one of the key anti-inflammatory products in our brain to help protect it.

00:49:27.000 But the problem is it doesn't last very long.

00:49:30.000 It gets consumed rapidly.

00:49:31.000 So you need to keep on regenerating.

00:49:34.000 And you regenerate it with ascorbate palmitate, vitamin C of the palmitate type, 500 milligrams twice a day.

00:49:41.000 So do you take that vitamin C? I take that vitamin C. But you just said you didn't take vitamin C. This one I take.

00:49:48.000 But you've got to be specific, bro.

00:49:50.000 I'm being specific.

00:49:51.000 You're talking about ascorbate.

00:49:52.000 I know, but you're saying vitamin C. Vitamin C, yes.

00:49:56.000 Okay.

00:49:56.000 Ascorbate palmitate.

00:49:58.000 Okay, but that is vitamin C. It's a vitamin C. It's a fat-soluble vitamin C. Do you understand how that would be a little confusing?

00:50:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:02.000 Got it.

00:50:03.000 Slap my hand.

00:50:04.000 So ascorbate palmitate.

00:50:06.000 Palmitate.

00:50:07.000 Ascorbate acid you don't take.

00:50:08.000 No, ascorb...

00:50:09.000 No, the cheap one I don't take.

00:50:11.000 It's water soluble, doesn't get in.

00:50:13.000 So ascorbate palmitate, what is the distinction on the label for that type of vitamin C? It says ascorbate palmitate.

00:50:22.000 The reason why I blanked out on it is because it's in my multivitamin.

00:50:26.000 Okay.

00:50:27.000 It's included in my multivitamin.

00:50:29.000 And what multivitamin do you take?

00:50:31.000 I use a product for the past 27 years called Ultra Nutrient.

00:50:35.000 And who makes that?

00:50:36.000 That's made by Pure Encapsulations.

00:50:38.000 Okay, they make good stuff, right?

00:50:39.000 Oh, that's the key of what I've used over the past, you know, 30 years.

00:50:45.000 Okay.

00:50:46.000 So other than that, your bases are covered?

00:50:48.000 Correct.

00:50:49.000 And what other, you do anything else to stimulate your immune system?

00:50:54.000 Exercise.

00:50:57.000 Drink a lot of alcohol. 0.99

00:50:58.000 You're a weirdo, though. 1.00

00:50:58.000 You're out there digging holes and shit. 1.00

00:51:01.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:51:02.000 I almost brought you the video of it.

00:51:03.000 I'm putting in a grapefruit, this strawberry grapefruit.

00:51:06.000 You texted me a video of you digging holes in your backyard.

00:51:08.000 I was like, what is Mark doing?

00:51:10.000 Yeah, you said, watch your foot.

00:51:12.000 You thought that I was going to stab my foot.

00:51:14.000 The way you were doing it was very haphazard.

00:51:17.000 No, it's the parallax.

00:51:18.000 It's the parallax.

00:51:20.000 It looked like I was going after my foot.

00:51:22.000 Oh, I understand.

00:51:23.000 So yeah, that I put in a lemon tree.

00:51:27.000 I put a lemon tree there.

00:51:29.000 Eureka lemon.

00:51:30.000 So up on the hill I've started the process for this grapefruit tree.

00:51:35.000 So we got our stack for immune systems.

00:51:39.000 So let's talk about your project.

00:51:40.000 Let's talk about the Warrior Angel Foundation and let's talk about this new documentary that's out now, Quiet Explosions.

00:51:50.000 That's Andrew.

00:51:52.000 Well, this is how, you know, I met Andrew, you brought him in here, and we got a chance to discuss this incredible work that you guys are doing with veterans, and really giving people hope that have been suffering from TBIs, these traumatic brain injuries,

00:52:07.000 and when there's no real clear treatment, you guys really found a great path.

00:52:14.000 Well, I'll walk up until his brilliance and with his brother Adam writing this book, Tales from the Blast Factory.

00:52:23.000 When Andrew first arrived at the doorstep, you can tell that he was...

00:52:29.000 I use the term broken.

00:52:31.000 And within a very short period of time, he was off his medication and he was back functioning.

00:52:36.000 In fact, three months after we started his protocol, we were in San Diego.

00:52:41.000 I was doing the launch of my new book, TBI book.

00:52:46.000 And he's walking down the hall, coming to the class, totally different.

00:52:50.000 His stride.

00:52:52.000 He was proud.

00:52:53.000 He was full of energy.

00:52:54.000 We've talked about this recovery on the last podcast, and people, if you want to go to Spotify, you can get that.

00:52:58.000 What episode is that, Jamie?

00:52:59.000 700?

00:53:00.000 700. I think the most recent one was 1056. It's good to remember.

00:53:05.000 Look at that.

00:53:06.000 Memory. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Damn. 0.99

00:53:07.000 So anyway, long story short, he and his brother write this book, A Tale from the Blast Factory, and the editor hands it to a girlfriend of hers, Jerry Shearer, this incredible producer, director, writer, screenwriter. 0.99

00:53:22.000 And develops this project, which is called Quiet Explosions.

00:53:27.000 And it looks across the spectrum of not only military, but Professional football players, gymnasts, and regular folks.

00:53:36.000 And the impact of the science that we've been able to extract from the science that already exists and its application and proving that addressing these inflammatory cytokines and the loss of hormone production in the brain was capable of improving their quality of life.

00:54:00.000 They were able to get off medications.

00:54:02.000 Now, for people that, obviously there's varying levels of the damage that soldiers experience.

00:54:11.000 With some of them, do you not prescribe an injectable testosterone?

00:54:16.000 Or do you do something like Clomid?

00:54:19.000 Right.

00:54:20.000 Great question.

00:54:22.000 What was it?

00:54:23.000 In 2014, we did our three-year veteran study, and that was because the military had put a squash on dispensing testosterone to veterans.

00:54:33.000 Why did they do that?

00:54:35.000 Because they thought it was creating agitation, aggression, too much aggression.

00:54:41.000 It's hilarious that the military would want to slow down aggression.

00:54:43.000 Isn't that true?

00:54:44.000 Was that the reason why they put a squash on it?

00:54:47.000 Yeah, right.

00:54:49.000 Slow the bullets down too.

00:54:52.000 Let's dull those knives, kids. 0.95

00:54:53.000 So we started looking at things that I'd used in the past.

00:54:57.000 Mostly guys would come to me for rekindling their hormone production because they were on an incredible amount of steroidal hormones that shut their system down.

00:55:06.000 So they came to me to get their system back up and running.

00:55:10.000 What steroidal hormones would shut your system down?

00:55:14.000 1,000 milligrams of testosterone with 500 milligrams of Nangelone Decohenate with- Oh, steroids.

00:55:21.000 Steroids.

00:55:21.000 Bodybuilding steroids.

00:55:22.000 Bodybuilding steroids.

00:55:23.000 I thought you were talking about like cortisone.

00:55:25.000 No, no.

00:55:26.000 Bodybuilding steroids.

00:55:27.000 Okay.

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 So these are guys that just wrecked their system.

00:55:31.000 They wrecked their system.

00:55:32.000 And someone that I had worked with- In my inception of treating them, which I was totally against use of anabolic steroids, because if you ate well, exercised, and you should be able to make your own hormones,

00:55:49.000 and I learned different, certain people that just didn't.

00:55:52.000 So we started using beta-HCG, using things like Clomid to try and turn their system back on.

00:55:59.000 So I was exposed to it.

00:56:01.000 And then 2014, we started a project trying to find the lowest possible dose of Clomifin citrate that would stimulate their own production of luteinizing hormone to stimulate their testicular functioning of testosterone.

00:56:15.000 And we found a pattern that seemed to work best.

00:56:18.000 And the beauty of it was, it wasn't a daily tablet.

00:56:22.000 If you look at the studies in women who were on daily tablets, they had, you know, complaints of mood swings and bloating and some ocular kind of problems.

00:56:32.000 But that was daily dosing of between 50 to 200 milligrams of Clomid.

00:56:36.000 We used 25, 50 milligrams every 72 hours.

00:56:39.000 That's what we were able to define, that that was the dosing that worked very well to get optimal levels of testosterone.

00:56:47.000 Why does it need to be spaced out for 72 hours?

00:56:51.000 Because the half-life of clomiphon is 98 days, and the actual stimulation of the testicles is like 32 days.

00:56:59.000 So even though you didn't take the pill for 72 hours, you still had the momentum of producing...

00:57:07.000 You said days, you meant hours, 92 hours.

00:57:10.000 No, 92 days.

00:57:12.000 Yeah, it's 7 times 14. Okay.

00:57:15.000 98 days.

00:57:17.000 7 times 14. It's a 14-day half-life times 7 until it goes the peak and then becomes zero.

00:57:23.000 That's the math behind it.

00:57:24.000 So when you're taking it constantly, you're overwhelming your system?

00:57:28.000 Is that what's happening?

00:57:28.000 Well, what happens is you're constantly driving the pituitary.

00:57:32.000 To make luteinizing hormone, which could put you at risk for developing enlargement of the cells, which we haven't seen yet, because we space it every 72 hours.

00:57:42.000 You don't mean science in general, you just mean you and your practice.

00:57:44.000 In the pace, right.

00:57:45.000 Well, it took three years to come up with this pattern, and we have tons of laboratory results to show the benefit By pulsing it, we did every day for five days a week.

00:57:56.000 We did every other day.

00:57:57.000 We did Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

00:57:59.000 And then we came to this every third day, 72 hours between it.

00:58:02.000 And the results were optimal.

00:58:06.000 Now, what do you do for bodybuilders?

00:58:07.000 Because bodybuilders, they take clomiphene citrate to try to kick their production back up of testosterone.

00:58:14.000 Would that be a different situation?

00:58:16.000 Well...

00:58:17.000 What we believe, what I believe and how I practice is if they're on anabolic steroids and you give them Clomid concurrently, not at the end, you give it concurrently, what it does is it keeps the tone of the circuit between the hypothalamus pituitary and the gonads still working.

00:58:35.000 When you give testosterone alone, what happens is you shut off the brain's sensing, and you shut down the pituitary, and you shut down the testicles, because the testicles, the cells called latig cells, they need to be stimulated, otherwise they scar or atrophy.

00:58:50.000 So if you've been on injectable testosterone for long periods of time without taking a break or giving your system something to stimulate the production, what will happen is they'll be gone and you can't recover it.

00:59:02.000 And I've seen, you know, I've had some guys in the past that there was nothing we can do to recover their testicular functioning, the cells, because they burnt out.

00:59:12.000 And is this from bodybuilding?

00:59:14.000 Bodybuilding.

00:59:14.000 Or is this from injectable testosterone, like TRT? Yeah, anyone who's taking testosterone, even pellets.

00:59:21.000 Oh, pellets. 1.00

00:59:23.000 Do you put it in your butt? 1.00

00:59:24.000 Correct. 1.00

00:59:25.000 Not in your butthole, you fucking idiots. 1.00

00:59:28.000 They put it wherever they put it. 1.00

00:59:30.000 But also topical testosterone, that's because dihydrotestosterone, I said it was four times more anabolic than testosterone, is three times stronger at shutting down your regulatory mechanism in the brain.

00:59:44.000 So that's why I haven't used topical testosterone for 10, 15 years, 10, 12 years, because it's so damaging.

00:59:52.000 Isn't it also a problem like if you have a partner and you start getting frisky, you might get it on them and then your significant other grows one of them porn stasters?

01:00:02.000 Yeah.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:00:03.000 It's because they too will have the secondary effects of testosterone.

01:00:07.000 Our skin has the converting enzyme that converts it to dihydrotestosterone.

01:00:12.000 And that's the reason why women who used to be given topical testosterone to put on their wrist would accidentally smear it onto their arms and they'd get darkening of their skin.

01:00:25.000 So if they're light skin, light lanugo hair, it would get dark and they'd get a patch.

01:00:30.000 Also, DHT can cause them to grow hair behind their knuckles on their hands.

01:00:35.000 Attractive.

01:00:36.000 Absolutely.

01:00:37.000 Just take the razor.

01:00:38.000 A lot of guys like that.

01:00:39.000 That's called hair suit, right?

01:00:41.000 Yeah, not good.

01:00:42.000 Yeah.

01:00:42.000 Okay, so when you started developing this protocol for treating soldiers and different people with TBIs, was there some adjusting?

01:00:55.000 Did you have to kind of figure it out as you went along?

01:00:57.000 I mean, how many studies did you have to read?

01:01:01.000 I have over 8,000 studies in my collection on Mendeley, where I keep all the articles.

01:01:07.000 And, you know, I go through 10-15 articles a week right now, and every Sunday I send out to our journal club one of the key articles that he reads every Sunday, right?

01:01:17.000 How many articles for your last book did you have to read?

01:01:21.000 1,600 went into the last book.

01:01:23.000 1,600 that I documented, but there were a lot of articles that I read, just the abstract and the introduction and conclusion and not the gobbledygook in the middle that were added.

01:01:33.000 But as I said, all the science that we're using has already been written about, has already been documented repetitively.

01:01:41.000 So there were waypoints in my...

01:01:46.000 Maturation to the point that I'm at right now.

01:01:48.000 In the beginning, it was hormone, hormone, hormone.

01:01:51.000 But it turned out that inflammation is the real key, is the real problem.

01:01:56.000 The hormones are shut off by the inflammation.

01:02:00.000 So in the past, we were only giving hormones.

01:02:03.000 And yes, we did find that things like estradiol, pregnenolone, DHEA, and DHT dropped inflammation.

01:02:12.000 So it wasn't right out there obvious that that's what we were doing until...

01:02:20.000 Andrew and I got together, and that was a point where natural transition, looking further into this issue of inflammation.

01:02:28.000 When you're monitoring it, you're looking for these inflammatory markers in the blood?

01:02:33.000 Correct.

01:02:33.000 What are those markers?

01:02:35.000 The ones that we did a study last year on was tumor necrosis factor alpha, Interleukin-1, 1B, and tumor necrosis factor, excuse me, interleukin-6.

01:02:47.000 These are the four key ones.

01:02:48.000 And we've now narrowed it down to interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factor alpha.

01:02:53.000 And the reason why is that tumor necrosis factor alpha is linked to autoimmune diseases, as I said earlier, and people who are put on to a blocker for tumor necrosis factor alpha, an expensive medication, their depression disappeared.

01:03:08.000 Well, what we found is natural products which will regulate cytokines and regulate these intralukin-1, 6, and tumor necrosis factor alpha.

01:03:19.000 And that has become the core of our treatment right now.

01:03:23.000 We do laboratory testing.

01:03:25.000 We look at their hormone balance.

01:03:27.000 We look at their inflammatory parameters.

01:03:29.000 And then we put them onto this kit, which is called the TriPak, which has in it 16 components.

01:03:37.000 And a lot of what we've already talked about is in there.

01:03:40.000 And we're seeing improvement in the guys and gals that are on it that's more rapid because it addresses the inflammatory component.

01:03:50.000 Yes, we do testosterone. 0.90

01:03:52.000 Yes, in the women, estradiol, progesterone, and pregnenolone.

01:03:56.000 And they do get better.

01:03:58.000 But with this product, and we're doing a study right now with three different groups of active military in the United States, obviously.

01:04:07.000 And in the first month on one group in California, active military, they had a 42% improvement.

01:04:15.000 The only thing we did was we gave them this kit.

01:04:18.000 And in the kit, it drops the inflammation.

01:04:20.000 One of the guys sent in his report.

01:04:23.000 They fill out a report which has 18 questions on it on how they're doing different areas.

01:04:28.000 His migraines improve by 70%.

01:04:31.000 Just from this kit?

01:04:33.000 Yes.

01:04:34.000 And inside the kit is?

01:04:35.000 Inside the kit are three products.

01:04:37.000 One of them is called ClearMind Energy.

01:04:39.000 We launched it in 2017. What's in that?

01:04:43.000 It has...

01:04:47.000 Components that raise the cellular metabolism.

01:04:51.000 Okay?

01:04:52.000 I'll just say it that way.

01:04:54.000 What does that mean?

01:04:55.000 Why are you just saying it that way?

01:04:57.000 Well, you want to pull out the bottle and read the composition of it.

01:05:00.000 Well, I have some out there.

01:05:01.000 Yeah.

01:05:01.000 But is there too much in there to relay?

01:05:04.000 No.

01:05:04.000 Yeah, there's six components in it.

01:05:07.000 You know, you can read it off or else on the website.

01:05:10.000 It has everything enumerated.

01:05:11.000 How much is of everything that's in there?

01:05:13.000 I'm, you know, I'm not protecting any copyright or anything.

01:05:16.000 I want people to understand these natural products have an incredible benefit on the system.

01:05:23.000 Rhodiola, Rosia is in there.

01:05:27.000 Let's see, we've got methyl, cobalamin, vitamin B that's activated.

01:05:32.000 Which has an incredible effect.

01:05:33.000 One of the articles that I sent out on vitamin B and anti-depression, how it helps regulate function in the brain.

01:05:41.000 Then the second product is called Brain Care 2, which has six components that drop the inflammation.

01:05:48.000 I did a study at one of the bases in Kentucky with the medics, and within 90 days they had a 50 to 70 percent improvement.

01:05:58.000 It has products like NCL cysteine, NAC, which drops inflammation.

01:06:04.000 Federal government at Walter Reed did studies on it and found how incredible it was for dropping inflammation.

01:06:11.000 There it is.

01:06:12.000 16 different components.

01:06:13.000 Okay, so you got DHA, what is that?

01:06:18.000 Tocopherol?

01:06:19.000 Tocopherol is vitamin E. Vitamin E. Gamma tocopherol.

01:06:22.000 There's the scarbate palmitate.

01:06:24.000 Okay, quercetin.

01:06:26.000 Now, when you talk about all these different things, should someone take something like this along with that stack that you described earlier with the quercetin and the zinc and the vitamin D3? They don't need to take this unless we're dealing with somewhat traumatic brain injury.

01:06:42.000 What we talked about was a stack for...

01:06:44.000 This, what you're talking about with this is just, but if someone is taking this stuff, do they have to adjust?

01:06:51.000 Like if they have a traumatic brain injury and they're taking these various concoctions, do they also, if they're trying to protect themselves from COVID, do they have to take into account how much quercetin is in this as well as how much ascorbate palmitate is in this and not overdo it?

01:07:10.000 Yeah, ideal is not to overdo it.

01:07:12.000 If they were on that stack, yeah, if they were on the stack and didn't have an issue relative to traumatic brain injury, I'd tell them, you know, to hold off on this.

01:07:22.000 Okay, so this stuff we're talking about here is really only for people that have traumatic brain injuries.

01:07:27.000 Right, but the one which is called Brain Care 2, my youngest daughter that you met, Rochelle, I think I'm going to go.

01:07:52.000 And with his best friend.

01:07:54.000 And I talked to him over the phone, and he was angry.

01:07:57.000 He was explosively irritated.

01:07:59.000 So we put him on the Brain Care 2, and three days later, his personality came back to being normal.

01:08:05.000 And that's because the inflammation...

01:08:06.000 So COVID made him angry?

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 So the inflammation just went cranky, or like...

01:08:10.000 Yeah.

01:08:11.000 Just a different personality.

01:08:12.000 If you go to the COVID letters, it's on...

01:08:19.000 That same page, if you go COVID letter and pull up the third one, which is number seven, you'll see that in New York, they're now reporting, and this is in May, they started reporting that people that are recovering from COVID are developing these personality mood swings,

01:08:35.000 not only cognitive impairment, but irritability and depression.

01:08:40.000 A couple have also developed strokes.

01:08:42.000 Young 20-year-olds developing strokes because of another system called bradykinens.

01:08:49.000 And you think this is inflammation-related?

01:08:51.000 It's all inflammation.

01:08:52.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 Cytokines are inflammation.

01:08:54.000 Cytokines.

01:08:55.000 There it is.

01:08:56.000 No.

01:08:57.000 If you go actually to the website and go to the science website, Yeah, go to the science and go up.

01:09:10.000 Oh, no, go down.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, right there.

01:09:13.000 Recovery and neurological impact of COVID-19.

01:09:18.000 Okay.

01:09:18.000 Okay, so they reported it in New York.

01:09:24.000 They reported these cases where people were having nervous system issues, epilepsy, and people who had never had a history of epilepsy.

01:09:32.000 We have patients with post-blast trauma who were put on to epileptic medication because inflammation that wasn't being addressed.

01:09:41.000 They were just giving Dilantin or one of the other medications for For a seizure.

01:09:45.000 And on protocol, I tell everyone, don't stop your medication unless you go to your primary care doc or the doc who's dispensing and talking.

01:09:54.000 Some of the guys are just stopping it.

01:09:56.000 And they haven't had a seizure because inflammation causes migraines, insomnia, depression, and it's on a couple of those papers there.

01:10:06.000 So in non-epileptics, it can actually cause epileptic seizures.

01:10:09.000 Correct.

01:10:10.000 If it's that bad.

01:10:11.000 Correct.

01:10:11.000 And that's the inflammation.

01:10:13.000 So these people that they're calling COVID long haulers, do you suspect that a lot of this is the cytokines?

01:10:19.000 Correct.

01:10:20.000 Interesting.

01:10:21.000 And they already know it.

01:10:22.000 They talked about cytokine storm, okay?

01:10:25.000 I used to call it cytokine dumping, you know, back five, six years ago.

01:10:29.000 So for people that are listening right now that have beaten COVID, but they're still suffering from fatigue and brain fog, what should they do?

01:10:38.000 They can do an academic approach, which is go back to their doctor and have the doctor draw their levels of those inflammatory cytokines, tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin, 6, 1B, and 1, and look at it.

01:10:52.000 If they're elevated, you need to reduce it.

01:10:54.000 So the study that we did last year, it was a three-month study.

01:10:58.000 The testing can be expensive.

01:11:01.000 Is we saw guys who were having difficulties coming into the practice.

01:11:06.000 We added on these tests and we saw the elevation in the level of these inflammatory cytokines and then we treated them on our protocol and then we looked again three months later at how well they were doing and then at the levels.

01:11:19.000 The correlation was those people who had initially had elevation in cytokines who were put on our protocol And then came back and had their subsequent follow-up lab at three months, and they were feeling better, their levels of the inflammatory cytokines were down to normal.

01:11:34.000 We had a guy that had five and six times the level of his levels, and they came down.

01:11:39.000 So that's a marker that's objective.

01:11:43.000 Okay?

01:11:44.000 But they're not doing it.

01:11:45.000 I mean, they understand what's happening.

01:11:48.000 I mean, they've talked about it again and again.

01:11:49.000 Is it also that they're just overwhelmed with cases?

01:11:52.000 Yes.

01:11:52.000 It's almost like to treat a person individually for each of these symptoms and each of these problems and measure their markers.

01:12:00.000 Right.

01:12:00.000 They're just trying to get you out of the hospital so you're not going to die and then you're on your own.

01:12:04.000 Correct.

01:12:04.000 So it's like they just kind of make sure you're not going to die and then go ahead and then...

01:12:09.000 It's like the guys in the military who are exposed to blast trauma, they receive treatment, and then they're let to go because a lot of them are medically discharged.

01:12:18.000 Yeah.

01:12:19.000 Going back, though, Mark, to the three products that you had up there, what about Brain Care 2 to mitigate becoming inflamed?

01:12:28.000 Because we recommend that to people who are in high-risk situations.

01:12:32.000 Right.

01:12:33.000 Athletes, operators, you know, industrial services, fighters, exactly.

01:12:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:39.000 So preventative.

01:12:40.000 So a lot of this is preventative as well, because you can stop the inflammatory mechanism from going to becoming chronic by implementing this as a regular protocol.

01:12:51.000 Before we had, or at the time we had Brain Care 2 come out, we had some of our patients who had gotten better, the civilian population, who had gotten better on our protocol, and then they get into a subsequent automobile accident or motorcycle accident, and they freak out because they're back to where they were two years earlier.

01:13:08.000 So we have them go on to the brain care, too, taking a teaspoon in the morning before breakfast, 30 to 60 minutes, and a teaspoon before dinner.

01:13:16.000 Three to four weeks later, they're back to where they were before the injury.

01:13:19.000 And that's because they had built up something called biological resiliency.

01:13:23.000 This is a topic that we're developing where...

01:13:28.000 This treatment protocol is like putting on Keflar.

01:13:31.000 It gives you added protection.

01:13:33.000 It's like the book I gave you from Colonel Michael Lewis, which is...

01:13:39.000 When Brains Collide.

01:13:44.000 The acosinoids, which are the fish oils, and how they upregulate two proteins, survivin and protectin, and drop the inflammatory cytokines.

01:13:55.000 It functions on an area called NF-kappa B, which is a translational.

01:13:59.000 When it's turned on, it tells the cell to make these inflammatory components.

01:14:05.000 The cosenoids, the fish oil, are extremely important.

01:14:08.000 High dose, 10,000.

01:14:10.000 He talks about it in there.

01:14:11.000 10,000 units, 20,000 units.

01:14:13.000 And if you're already on it, and he tried to get this into the military, and if you're on these protective things, it's preventive.

01:14:20.000 It's, you know, proactive, as opposed to waiting until the trauma has.

01:14:24.000 Already occurred.

01:14:25.000 So there are things that you can do.

01:14:27.000 Good vitamin E, good fish oil, dropping alcohol consumption because alcohol destroys growth hormone.

01:14:33.000 And articles that have been coming out shows that growth hormone helps with repair of the brain.

01:14:38.000 There are studies that are done on Alzheimer's patients where the destruction of the tubules and the tau protein and all that, it gets better on growth hormone.

01:14:47.000 Also anti-inflammation.

01:14:49.000 Also a study in 2017 out of England showed that In people who had treatment-resistant depression, meaning that they were on antidepressants but they weren't getting any benefit from it, 61% of the people had growth hormone deficiency.

01:15:07.000 And when they put them on something to raise the level of growth hormone, what they saw in one to two months is their depression disappeared and they ended up with four benefits.

01:15:17.000 They slept better, they had brighter brains, they had better interpersonal relationships, and they weren't fly off the handle.

01:15:23.000 They weren't explosive emotionally.

01:15:25.000 Wow.

01:15:26.000 Yeah.

01:15:26.000 So is there any downside to taking that much fish oil?

01:15:30.000 That sounds like a large dose of fish oil.

01:15:31.000 You have to taper up to it.

01:15:33.000 For me...

01:15:33.000 Taper up?

01:15:35.000 Yeah, diarrhea.

01:15:36.000 Okay.

01:15:36.000 Oh, the diarrhea.

01:15:38.000 Yeah, diarrhea can occur.

01:15:39.000 How does your body get used to fish oil and not go, okay, open up the floodgates?

01:15:44.000 How does that work?

01:15:45.000 Genetics.

01:15:46.000 Either you're predisposed to it or not.

01:15:49.000 So at 10,000, I'm good.

01:15:51.000 So when you get to 13,000, that's when you got to run to the potty?

01:15:55.000 10,001.

01:15:59.000 And what is it?

01:16:00.000 It's just the excess oil in your system?

01:16:03.000 Look, mineral oil has been used for decades or centuries for helping people as a cathartic to help them have bowel movement.

01:16:10.000 Right.

01:16:11.000 We're allowed to talk about bowel movements here.

01:16:12.000 Do you recommend it in a pill form or from a liquid where you just spoon it in?

01:16:18.000 You can use the...

01:16:19.000 Carlson's is what I take.

01:16:21.000 He writes about it in their Nordic Natural.

01:16:28.000 He likes the encapsulated Nordic Natural.

01:16:30.000 Because you just have a clearer sense of dose?

01:16:33.000 Yeah.

01:16:34.000 Teaspoon of cod liver oil is what you're taking.

01:16:37.000 Is that what it is?

01:16:38.000 I think it's cod liver oil that you might be taking.

01:16:40.000 I don't know what kind of oil it is.

01:16:43.000 Carlson's is...

01:16:44.000 I'm not familiar with it.

01:16:45.000 Yeah.

01:16:46.000 But in our product, we use DHA. There's EPA, DHA are the fish oils.

01:16:52.000 And the DHA has a more central brain benefit.

01:16:56.000 Also, it protects the heart.

01:16:57.000 I mean, vitamin, you know, fish oil is so important.

01:17:01.000 Now, what about people that are only eating plants?

01:17:03.000 Is there an equivalent that they can take?

01:17:07.000 It's not as bioabsorbable, but maybe you can at least...

01:17:10.000 I'm not aware of any.

01:17:12.000 You're talking about omega-3?

01:17:13.000 Well, and it's something that...

01:17:14.000 And fish oil.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, there's vegan forms of it, like from algae, things like that.

01:17:18.000 Algae, yeah.

01:17:19.000 Right.

01:17:21.000 So, like, what kind of doses do they need to take?

01:17:24.000 It would have to be equivalent.

01:17:26.000 They'd have to measure it out equivalent.

01:17:28.000 Meaning that, you know, the fish oil would be 10,000 IUs is equivalent to 10,000 IUs of...

01:17:33.000 But, like, flaxseed oil and a lot of those essential fatty acids is not going to...

01:17:38.000 Flaxseed is beneficial, but for the brain, I'm so focused on things that I don't look outside that box, and I probably should.

01:17:47.000 But in the mission that we're on is very focal, and therefore DHA turned out to be the best.

01:17:54.000 Also, tocopherols, which are the vitamin E, gamma tocopherols, the keen, is the one that really helps down-regulate.

01:18:02.000 And when you mix the vitamin E tocopherol with NACL cysteine, The two of them together drops the NF-kappa B, which is the inflammatory trigger in the brain or in the body.

01:18:14.000 So we've had patients who have improved with below the neck, improving in orthopedic or joint-related arthritic kind of complaints.

01:18:27.000 And it was 18 products before, and now it's just three, because we used to get a lot of complaints from our population.

01:18:32.000 Why do I got to take so much?

01:18:34.000 So 18 different things, and we put it into three.

01:18:36.000 And another huge thing that's of benefit is so many people have reached out to us since 2015, thousands, that we couldn't get to.

01:18:44.000 And it was a financial barrier.

01:18:46.000 So this was the next best thing.

01:18:48.000 It's like, hey, here's this base product.

01:18:51.000 Kevlar, you know, you can put on that will benefit you.

01:18:54.000 And more people can afford that than, say, come in and be seen in the clinic.

01:18:58.000 So now that's available to people.

01:19:00.000 It used to be just available to people in the clinic.

01:19:02.000 And now it's not.

01:19:04.000 So that's kind of the cool thing.

01:19:05.000 It's like, how could we...

01:19:07.000 Continue to make a significant impact, positive impact, and this was the next thing we could reach more people.

01:19:12.000 And that's just Mark's genius over the years.

01:19:14.000 If you can, just so that we make this stand alone, tell me about your own personal experiences, like what you experienced overseas, what kind of impact that had on you, and what kind of impact going through this treatment had.

01:19:26.000 Yeah.

01:19:28.000 I just want to take a second and kind of soak it in here, man, because...

01:19:37.000 What we're about to convey will no doubt alter somebody's life for the better.

01:19:45.000 It will save lives.

01:19:46.000 And I don't say that because I think that this is based off the last two of what's happened.

01:19:51.000 This information will come out and people's lives will be turned around.

01:19:55.000 And so it just touches me to know that.

01:19:58.000 And to be where I was in 2014 When I was pretty sure that I was going to have to take my own life because the negative effects that I was having on my family seemed to be outside of my conscious control.

01:20:16.000 So high level, I spent about a decade in special operations.

01:20:19.000 I was exposed to a lot of explosive blasts.

01:20:22.000 So, you know, those guys were elite performers in situations of life and death.

01:20:27.000 And that's pretty consistent with my entire life up until a certain point.

01:20:32.000 So I went from this high-level performer without a scratch on my body, you know, no physical impairment.

01:20:40.000 To being on 13 different medications, I was labeled with 30 plus disabilities, and I was just an absolute nightmare.

01:20:51.000 I was plagued with anxiety and depression.

01:20:54.000 My cognition had just gone by the wayside.

01:20:58.000 I couldn't remember anything.

01:21:00.000 It was just an absolute disaster.

01:21:04.000 Going back to the film that we have out now, Quiet Explosions, I remember watching a documentary film, and I won't give the name of the film, but I remember watching it and just crying because it was showing all these NFL guys and WWE wrestlers And that had CTE,

01:21:23.000 which is, you know, neuroinflammation.

01:21:26.000 And it's showing, hey man, here are all the effects that are coming with CTE from secondary to head trauma.

01:21:35.000 And there's nothing that you can do about it.

01:21:37.000 Once that clock has started, you have about 10 years until you're in full-on dementia.

01:21:42.000 And you just writing it out, hopefully we can make life comfortable for you until you're in full-on dementia.

01:21:47.000 And I can remember being 32, 33 and just thinking like, there's nothing we can do.

01:21:55.000 So the information that we're about to convey, it didn't exist in the public domain like it does now.

01:22:02.000 You feel like you were on that path?

01:22:05.000 100%.

01:22:06.000 And you hit the brakes?

01:22:07.000 Yeah.

01:22:07.000 I mean, it was one foot in the grave, no doubt about it.

01:22:12.000 And, you know, sometimes we need a wake-up call to wake up.

01:22:15.000 And I got, you know, it was like I lost my identity.

01:22:20.000 You know, I thought the system was mistreating me.

01:22:23.000 You know, my boy became very sick.

01:22:27.000 I'm forced to medically retire.

01:22:29.000 I'm on the street.

01:22:30.000 I can't put two and two together.

01:22:32.000 Our source of income has just gone away, and I don't know what we're going to do.

01:22:37.000 But I got to this crossroads.

01:22:38.000 I was at my son's hospital bed, and I realized if I traveled on that same path that I was on, that same trajectory, I kept blaming all the things in my life that it was going to kill me.

01:22:49.000 But worse than that, I realized at that point that I was of zero value.

01:22:54.000 To my son and to my family.

01:22:56.000 So I made a promise at his hospital bedside.

01:22:59.000 Three things.

01:23:00.000 One, that I would return to the man in my pre-injury status.

01:23:04.000 Two, that I would get off all that medication that I was on because it just turned my life from a very difficult situation into a disaster.

01:23:12.000 And I did not care what had to be done to make that happen.

01:23:16.000 What kind of medication did they have you on?

01:23:18.000 Anti-anxiety, anti-depression.

01:23:22.000 I was on...

01:23:27.000 Insomnia, uppers, anti-convulsion, what was the word you use?

01:23:31.000 Yeah.

01:23:33.000 So multiples of each of those, you know what I mean?

01:23:36.000 And it just completely turned me into a different person.

01:23:40.000 And that's where I really started to contemplate like, man, I think it would be better off if I just ceased to exist.

01:23:47.000 And I just made my mind up.

01:23:50.000 I was like, after those two things are accomplished, number three is I'm going to turn around, I'm going to spend the rest of my days helping somebody else who's in the exact same position as myself.

01:23:58.000 And how'd you find out about the treatment?

01:24:00.000 So I started at that point looking for different alternative modalities because the only thing that we do, the status quo treatment for traumatic brain injury still, Psychotropic medication and talk therapy, which in my case did not do anything to identify nor treat the underlying condition.

01:24:21.000 It just made things incredibly worse.

01:24:26.000 Through intuition, I said, this obviously isn't treating whatever it is.

01:24:30.000 There's got to be something to do that.

01:24:32.000 So I started to go outside and look at alternative means, started talking to other operators and looking at whatever else could be out there.

01:24:40.000 And the movie kind of chronicles this.

01:24:42.000 That led me and Mark to get together.

01:24:44.000 I was down in a functional neurology place getting treatment down in Dallas, Texas, and it got some press, and Mark saw it, and he wrote to me.

01:24:51.000 And that's how we linked up.

01:24:53.000 But the point being was we were able to institute, you know, what he's talking about here, lab test, identify neuroinflammation, identify deficiencies.

01:25:04.000 Correct those deficiencies.

01:25:05.000 Drop the inflammation.

01:25:07.000 And I'll be damned I didn't turn around almost instantaneously.

01:25:12.000 That's not special or specific to me.

01:25:14.000 We've now replicated that over 400 times within the military and veteran population, and Mark's done it over 3,000 times.

01:25:22.000 So the point being was, he said we wrote Tales from the Blast Factory, and it was kind of too chronical as a how-to for somebody that was navigating this.

01:25:32.000 That's the whole reason we did it.

01:25:33.000 My brother was like the force behind that.

01:25:35.000 And, you know, these things I just couldn't believe how well it did.

01:25:39.000 And it ended up getting to this director, Jerry Shear, and she said, hey, we got to turn this into a documentary film.

01:25:46.000 And we were thinking, you know, we were just focused on specifically veterans, military, you know, athletes.

01:25:53.000 This is a much big societal issue or problem.

01:25:56.000 And we'll probably go in that direction and explain why.

01:26:00.000 But we said, hey, is there a way that we can encapsulate and communicate these very advanced neurological concepts into a compelling story for the first time ever on the big screen and counterbalance some of the information that's out there with actual heart-based scientific evidence and show people going through this process and actually coming out better on the other side.

01:26:24.000 So that's what it's about.

01:26:25.000 There's ten different stories there.

01:26:27.000 We have some of the top medical doctors, clinicians, neuroscientists, researchers in the film as well.

01:26:35.000 Film Chronicles, former NFL Super Bowl MVPs, top big wave surfers, operators, and everybody in between.

01:26:45.000 And that's what we wanted to show and provide answers.

01:26:48.000 Whereas before, in 2014, you are relegated now to a psychological box, and here's all the medications that you're going to be on.

01:26:59.000 There's no alternative to that.

01:27:01.000 So this is an alternative saying, hey, this is real.

01:27:05.000 The evidence is real.

01:27:06.000 The science that already exists is real.

01:27:09.000 Here's these people's real stories and here's what's going to happen.

01:27:12.000 So it takes all these very advanced things and this beautiful story that Jerry did and it conveys it in Quiet Explosion.

01:27:19.000 So, you know, that's the beauty of that.

01:27:22.000 And it continues to show like, hey, everybody, no matter if you're an NFL MVP Operator or an accountant.

01:27:29.000 Rock bottom looks the same for everybody when you're overcome with this.

01:27:33.000 And here's the answers.

01:27:35.000 Here's the hope.

01:27:36.000 Here's the healing that can come out of it.

01:27:38.000 And here's how you can get more information on it.

01:27:40.000 So, you know, that's the project that we're currently...

01:27:43.000 Well, we've been engulfed in the last two and a half years that finally just...

01:27:47.000 It came out last month.

01:27:48.000 We only got to put it in two film festivals, but it won both film festivals that it went into, and it's just been doing magnificent.

01:27:56.000 So we're just excited to bring this information out to the world so now it's out there.

01:28:02.000 They can go out there now and say, okay, well, if I want more information, you can find it.

01:28:06.000 But it didn't exist before.

01:28:08.000 For the first time ever, not only do I identify a problem, we show an actually, scientifically, and evidence-based solution To improve quality of life.

01:28:19.000 And I mean, that's just so incredible.

01:28:21.000 We're so excited about it.

01:28:23.000 If you're out there, I mean, you don't have to be an operator or even have had a head injury to enjoy this film.

01:28:30.000 You're going to find it incredibly inspiring, compelling, educational, you know, all at the same time.

01:28:35.000 So it's a phenomenal piece of work.

01:28:37.000 Now, there's no way you could take care of all these different soldiers that have all these issues.

01:28:44.000 So are there other doctors that are applying your protocols?

01:28:47.000 Yeah.

01:28:48.000 In 2015, I released the book, TBI, Clinical Approach, Diagnosis, and Treatment, which was the foundational literature with 1,600 articles in it to start the process of training doctors to replicate what I've done.

01:29:04.000 And what happened was a lot of the doctors found that the information was too overwhelming.

01:29:10.000 So about four years ago, started writing a program and a software package, which is an expert AI system for not only TBI, but for also TRT,

01:29:27.000 HRT, wellness, age management, anti-aging medicine.

01:29:32.000 So that you put in all the parameters that you would do with a patient sitting in front of you, their laboratory results, medication they're on, and it would analyze the information for you.

01:29:42.000 So it took me, you know, 30 years to get all the algorithms together and then four years to consolidate it into a software package.

01:29:49.000 I hired...

01:29:51.000 Wonderful program, Sam Nee, who has taken it to build the interface so that it's available.

01:30:00.000 So launched it, what, three months ago, launched it in the cloud.

01:30:06.000 And right now it's free for doctors to get access to it, to play with it, to see how it works.

01:30:12.000 And it's preloaded with all the information.

01:30:17.000 Building this system, like my daughter Allison took over all my civilian patients in January last year so I can focus with Andrew and I can focus on just the military.

01:30:28.000 It took me about 18 months to train Allison to become proficient.

01:30:33.000 Now she's become really, really great.

01:30:36.000 And the software package does it in 15 minutes.

01:30:41.000 So we can get more doctors on board who don't have to go through the training program that could take six months.

01:30:48.000 Our training program is about six months long.

01:30:50.000 Six months?

01:30:51.000 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 Why is it so long?

01:30:53.000 Because the information is so overwhelming.

01:30:55.000 Yeah.

01:30:55.000 It really is a lot of information.

01:30:57.000 I think I gave you a copy of the book, and it steps you through a progression.

01:31:03.000 It's a training textbook, really.

01:31:05.000 But there's so much information that the...

01:31:08.000 It's ideal that they know so that when they have a case in front of them, they have the flexibility of knowing what to do correctly as opposed to being a knee-jerk response.

01:31:16.000 I'm not really good.

01:31:17.000 Has there been any pushback against this?

01:31:19.000 Is there any people that disagree with your approach?

01:31:21.000 Not yet.

01:31:22.000 Let me rephrase this.

01:31:27.000 England.

01:31:29.000 England, yes.

01:31:30.000 England.

01:31:31.000 England.

01:31:33.000 We were brought over at the request of the Surgeon General to the United Kingdom's Armed Forces, like what, last January?

01:31:40.000 January 15th.

01:31:42.000 So it was at Imperial College, and it was a TBI Summit.

01:31:47.000 And we were, it's an invitee list only.

01:31:49.000 Mark and I were invited.

01:31:52.000 And it's that they have a center for blast trauma there.

01:31:56.000 And so they wanted to look at neuroendocrine therapy and a couple of other like MEG. Meg scan.

01:32:03.000 Meg scan.

01:32:03.000 Mm-hmm.

01:32:04.000 So they brought us there, and the reason why we were there, Joe, is because we had helped a number of SAS guys, and they had phenomenal turnarounds, and they said, we've never seen anything like this before, and that kind of started the dialogue to bring us over.

01:32:17.000 So the point being is, there is, like, in the UK, it's run by the National Health Service, and all the major decision makers were in this room, which we were at, and I spoke, Mark gave his long presentation,

01:32:34.000 And then kind of the establishment would get up and talk.

01:32:37.000 And there's kind of a line here.

01:32:39.000 And the line is they had this, their kind of thesis is that all the issues, the psychological issues one has after they have head trauma has nothing to do with their head trauma.

01:32:53.000 It has to do with them being psychologically, having a psychological duress in distress.

01:33:00.000 And it says, yes, we know they've had a head injury.

01:33:04.000 All the issues that you're having, anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress, you know, all the other things, is due to psychological duress.

01:33:11.000 And therefore, what he's practicing is pseudoscience.

01:33:15.000 And so we were able to present our case.

01:33:19.000 Mark gave a beautiful presentation.

01:33:21.000 And then, I shit you not, for two hours, these two sides went back and forth. 0.85

01:33:28.000 And the... 0.98

01:33:29.000 The animus and the hate that was coming out of that room directed at Mark for applying what he's doing here was absolutely mind-boggling.

01:33:40.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:33:41.000 And to think like this is the way that science and they're making decisions there on the policy that's going to be influence a lot of people.

01:33:49.000 And it was shocking to see how it's done behind the curtain.

01:33:52.000 Which is not science-based, because you're talking about...

01:33:54.000 Different people have different experiences, or different reactions to similar experiences. 0.99

01:34:01.000 There's a lot of operators that I know that have seen some horrible shit, and it doesn't fuck with their head. 0.99

01:34:05.000 They sleep good. 1.00

01:34:06.000 The real issue seems to be that some people don't.

01:34:11.000 And some people don't have the same reactions psychologically.

01:34:15.000 But when you're talking about physical manifestations, when you're talking about real physical reactions that you could track with measuring inflammatory markers in the blood, measuring the decrease in those markers through these therapies and showing the positive impact it has on people's lives,

01:34:32.000 the fact that that's disputed could only be ego.

01:34:34.000 They refuse to look at the markers.

01:34:36.000 Is this because they have an idea that they've been teaching?

01:34:41.000 Yes.

01:34:42.000 It's because this thesis was contrary to theirs, which means money would go to us to do a big project over there, which was in the works, and it means money would go away from them.

01:34:54.000 Oh, okay, so there's money.

01:34:56.000 The head guy is a psychiatrist.

01:34:58.000 Huge.

01:34:59.000 We're talking huge amounts of money here.

01:35:00.000 And it was there, like, hey, these are the policymakers. 0.98

01:35:03.000 This is fucking scary. 0.99

01:35:04.000 Let's make some changes. 0.99

01:35:06.000 We're presenting hardcore science.

01:35:07.000 I saw it with my own eyes.

01:35:09.000 I'm here to report on it.

01:35:10.000 And it wasn't like, no, we're making these conclusions because we have all these objective markers that we tested on.

01:35:17.000 No.

01:35:18.000 We don't count what you're saying.

01:35:20.000 And this is only in England.

01:35:21.000 Yeah.

01:35:22.000 Which is weird because that's where, you know, you have free medicine.

01:35:27.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 Yeah, but that's Imperial College.

01:35:29.000 It would cost them money to do what we do.

01:35:31.000 Hmm.

01:35:33.000 So it's better to call them a psychiatric. 0.98

01:35:35.000 So the minute you know, same thing that happened 2012 here with 410,000 vets who came back or military came back to the United States, 380,000 of them were declared as being PTSD. And then a year later, they found that those that were diagnosed with PTSD really were post TBI. They were traumatic brain injury related.

01:35:54.000 And it means that if you look at the cost for doing an assessment for someone who has PTSD, let's say, is less money than someone who has a traumatic brain injury.

01:36:04.000 It's more money to put them through traumatic brain injury.

01:36:07.000 So like $16,000 a year, I think, is what the Congressional Budget Office said.

01:36:14.000 So $16,000 a year for how many different soldiers?

01:36:19.000 Per.

01:36:20.000 That's a lot of money.

01:36:21.000 Yeah, that same $16,000 when Andrew and I were invited to spend three days with number 43 Bush, you know, we shared with them that we can take that $16,000 and use it for three years.

01:36:34.000 And hopefully at the end of three years, they'd be able to stop their treatment or diminish their treatment down to very minimal products to help them to maintain their quality of recovery.

01:36:46.000 But it's uphill, and it's also because I opened my mouth and said, I don't really believe in PTSD. And the reason why I don't believe in PTSD is because we've now found A chemical called fractalkin, which is part of that immune system, that if you have chronic stress,

01:37:03.000 this chemical fractalkin disappears from the brain.

01:37:06.000 And when it disappears, the inflammation shoots up.

01:37:10.000 Fractalkin has control over a cell, the white blood cell in the brain called a microglia, that stops it from dumping these cytokines.

01:37:18.000 But under chronic stress, so you don't need blast.

01:37:21.000 You can just be in a household where someone is abusive or in a relationship where something is chronic stress-producing.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, non-physical.

01:37:31.000 Non-physical, thank you.

01:37:32.000 And that will cause this chemical fractalkin. 0.73

01:37:35.000 It's called a chemokine for anyone who wants to look it up.

01:37:38.000 And it causes the inflammation.

01:37:40.000 And that inflammation Without contact trauma will cause the exact same scenario, biochemically, someone who's had blast trauma and develops depression.

01:37:50.000 Okay, but there's not just a chemical reaction going on in certain people's brains when they have PTSD. There's also memories of horrible things that have happened to them.

01:38:00.000 That's what people consider when they think about PTSD. Like, a woman has been abused by a man, she gets near men, she panics, she tightens up.

01:38:07.000 Understood.

01:38:08.000 You just said it.

01:38:10.000 Group of people exposed to the same trauma.

01:38:13.000 Why does this person develop nothing?

01:38:16.000 Blase, sleeps all night, and this person over there develop a problem.

01:38:20.000 Why is the difference?

01:38:21.000 Some people, like, they stub their toe and they're depressed all day.

01:38:25.000 Cytokines.

01:38:26.000 It's not just cytokines.

01:38:28.000 It can't be.

01:38:29.000 There has to be psychological makeup that varies in between individuals.

01:38:33.000 The point that I'm really trying to tease out is the biological resiliency.

01:38:39.000 Some of us are more resilient to stressors or to stress on our body.

01:38:44.000 Okay?

01:38:45.000 More resilient.

01:38:46.000 My gallbladder exploded.

01:38:49.000 I had surgery on it.

01:38:50.000 I was out of the hospital in two days. 1.00

01:38:52.000 The surgeon said, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:38:54.000 Because I've never had in 35 years someone who's had exploded gallbladder and out of the hospital in three days, really. 0.99

01:39:01.000 Two and a half days.

01:39:02.000 And it's because my biological resiliency was so high because of what I was on.

01:39:06.000 All the replacement hormones.

01:39:09.000 In 1997, I was found to have three hormone deficiencies from six head traumas.

01:39:15.000 And replenishing it is what led me down this pathway.

01:39:19.000 Could it be that the lowering of fractalkin, if you were able to put that back into an optimal state, it's not that they have the ability now to see the past more clearly in order to move past it?

01:39:32.000 They could not.

01:39:34.000 It was inhibited, and that was...

01:39:37.000 More rational.

01:39:38.000 I mean, how do you account for the fact that you went from that depressed, panic-ridden individual to who you are now?

01:39:47.000 You still have the same memories of that blast that put you out of commission.

01:39:50.000 You have all those memories of how badly your course was with 13 medications and so forth, your son being...

01:39:58.000 Does that generate that depression in you now?

01:40:03.000 No.

01:40:03.000 I don't know if it did.

01:40:05.000 Those things generated a depression.

01:40:08.000 I didn't have any reason to be depressed.

01:40:10.000 It threw me.

01:40:12.000 All I wanted to do was operate.

01:40:14.000 I can't function anymore.

01:40:16.000 Why is that?

01:40:18.000 No, I believe that there is, if you want, a small percentage of people who have this pure PTSD. We'll use that terminology.

01:40:27.000 And other people who have the appearance of PTSD, because I think traumatic brain injury is a continuum, or PTSD is a continuum of brain trauma or trauma that has been missed.

01:40:38.000 And there are different forms of trauma.

01:40:40.000 Finasteride, as we talked about earlier, is a form of non-contact trauma to the brain.

01:40:46.000 Ionizing radiation, getting multiple x-rays, CT scans, damages the hypothalamus, induces inflammation.

01:40:52.000 We have four or five people that had brain surgery, craniotomies for tumors or for cysts in the brain, who developed all the symptomatology of someone with head trauma from an auto accident or being clumped on the head, put them onto the protocol,

01:41:09.000 they're better.

01:41:10.000 So what you're essentially saying is there's a ton of people out there that are experiencing, whether it's depression or PTSD or all sorts of brain fog and various ailments of the mind and of the mood,

01:41:26.000 really a big culprit is just inflammation.

01:41:29.000 Correct.

01:41:30.000 Jamie, if you go back to that one with the green little Icons on the side.

01:41:36.000 You'll see a couple of the articles.

01:41:38.000 There are over 100,000 articles right there.

01:41:43.000 Microglia in the brain, they're responsible for releasing the inflammatory cytokines.

01:41:49.000 The good, the bad, and the dysregulated.

01:41:51.000 What happens from chronic inflammation, fractalkin controls the microglia.

01:41:56.000 If you lose fractalkin from chronic stress, it's cortisol-based.

01:41:59.000 Cortisol causes it to disappear.

01:42:01.000 The microglia start dumping.

01:42:03.000 So that's the side effect of too much cortisol.

01:42:05.000 Correct.

01:42:06.000 So when people talk about cortisol causing depression and...

01:42:09.000 That's the connection.

01:42:11.000 So there's a whole system in place that's going wrong.

01:42:15.000 So how many of these people...

01:42:16.000 This is missed.

01:42:17.000 How many could people that are...

01:42:19.000 Forget about just people that are recovering from TBIs.

01:42:23.000 How many people that are just clinically depressed?

01:42:25.000 Yeah, 47,000.

01:42:26.000 Oh, 47 million.

01:42:27.000 No, 50 million.

01:42:28.000 50 million.

01:42:29.000 One out of five adults.

01:42:31.000 50% of 13 to 18-year-olds.

01:42:34.000 Jesus.

01:42:35.000 This is according to the National Institute of Mental Health.

01:42:37.000 How many of these people do you think are dealing with inflammation?

01:42:41.000 The majority.

01:42:42.000 The majority.

01:42:43.000 The majority.

01:42:43.000 So there are some people along the line...

01:42:46.000 By the way, my friend who got very, very depressed and suicidal...

01:42:51.000 Was taking finasteride and didn't realize it until years later.

01:42:55.000 He got on SSRIs, cured him, came out.

01:42:58.000 Then he got off finasteride and then he realized that was one of the side effects.

01:43:02.000 And so that was causing some sort of inflammation.

01:43:05.000 Finasteride is being banned in Italy.

01:43:09.000 Germany, Japan, at the Post Finasteride Syndrome Foundation, I think it's pfs.com or org.

01:43:20.000 I heard that there was a topical version of it, as I touched my bald head, a topical version that they were coming out with that eliminates the side effects.

01:43:29.000 Well, they've had a topical one, and they mix it with retinoic acid, vitamin A, and they mix it with the blood pressure medication, and it helps to generate hair regrowth.

01:43:42.000 But the real key is a peptide called thymocin 4-beta.

01:43:48.000 The article's up there.

01:43:49.000 They had nude mice. 0.61

01:43:51.000 Nude mice are genetically bred to have no hair. 0.99

01:43:54.000 They used this product called thymosin 4-beta, and they grew hair.

01:43:58.000 Jesus.

01:43:59.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 So there's a lot of literature on Google Scholar about 1,300 articles talking about hair regrowth.

01:44:06.000 And thymosin is also a peptide that people use for recovery from injuries, right?

01:44:10.000 Correct.

01:44:10.000 You mix that with BPC-157, you get tendon repair and you get muscular repair.

01:44:17.000 It works very well.

01:44:19.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of that BPC-157.

01:44:22.000 Oh yeah, it's good.

01:44:23.000 It's crazy when you get injured.

01:44:24.000 And they're trying to get rid of it.

01:44:26.000 The FDA is trying to ban it. 1.00

01:44:28.000 These motherfuckers. 1.00

01:44:30.000 There's an organization, Dr. Edwin Lee in Orlando, Florida. 1.00

01:44:37.000 He's an endocrinologist.

01:44:38.000 He wrote a book on, I think I might have sent it to you, on peptides.

01:44:41.000 You did.

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:57.000 And they need $300,000 in order for a compendium to be written about one of the peptides to present to the FDA to get them to change the ban.

01:45:08.000 Right now, there is a banned FDA law that's now taking away all our compounded peptides.

01:45:15.000 Inclusive that is beta-HCG. Why would they do that?

01:45:18.000 Why are they wasting money on this?

01:45:21.000 Where's the bodies?

01:45:23.000 So many people are getting recovery from these peptides.

01:45:26.000 It's not a good business model.

01:45:28.000 You think that's what it is?

01:45:30.000 They can't control it.

01:45:32.000 So they're getting pressure from some other...

01:45:34.000 Pharmaceutical.

01:45:35.000 So the peptides, they fell into a category because they had to be less than a certain length of peptides in order to be in this non-controlled area.

01:45:47.000 They changed those rules.

01:45:49.000 So now all peptides are under control, FDA control, and the first thing they did is banned it.

01:45:54.000 So they've gone after a couple of companies that we know of.

01:45:58.000 Jesus.

01:45:59.000 But the response, I mean, more and more articles are coming out, research being done outside the United States on BPC-157, IGF-1, LR3, which is long-acting IGF-1.

01:46:11.000 IGF-1 is extremely important in upregulating The protein synthesis of our cells, so healing, repair, anti-inflammation in the brain.

01:46:20.000 Is there any of those that are good for meniscus?

01:46:22.000 Yeah.

01:46:23.000 There's a study that just came out.

01:46:25.000 I think Lee sent it to me.

01:46:27.000 It's on the knee and pain.

01:46:30.000 The knee and pain.

01:46:31.000 The knee and pain.

01:46:32.000 And the pain is due to either the medial lateral meniscus that's torn or frayed.

01:46:39.000 And it's about healing it so that the pain goes down.

01:46:42.000 So what is the best peptide for meniscus injuries?

01:46:45.000 I think the combination of the BPC-157, 5 milligrams with 10 milligrams of the thymosin B mixed together.

01:46:56.000 And then what you do is you take three cc's total and you take one tenth of a cc twice a day if you can get into the joint.

01:47:07.000 Into the joint?

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 So you want to do it locally?

01:47:10.000 You want to do it locally.

01:47:11.000 Because I've heard that that doesn't matter.

01:47:14.000 No, it doesn't matter.

01:47:15.000 Some people think that you could do it...

01:47:18.000 Abdominal fat, shoulder, yeah.

01:47:21.000 Yeah, but why is locally better?

01:47:23.000 A higher concentration.

01:47:25.000 Okay.

01:47:27.000 Subcutaneously.

01:47:28.000 But you're right.

01:47:29.000 You can do it someplace else or locally.

01:47:32.000 So why would it benefit you to get in the joint then?

01:47:35.000 Maximize the effect.

01:47:37.000 How would it maximize the effect?

01:47:38.000 Well, you've got it local as opposed to going through the system first and circulating around.

01:47:43.000 You get it right into the area.

01:47:45.000 So doing it subcutaneously would be something that you would do for overall injuries, like injuries over your whole body.

01:47:53.000 Correct.

01:47:53.000 But if you have an injury that's very specific to a joint...

01:47:57.000 Go into the area.

01:47:58.000 Well, you may or may not have known that December 20th of 2019, I slipped.

01:48:06.000 And as I was slipping, I felt my...

01:48:09.000 I've been telling you you've been slipping for a while.

01:48:10.000 Yeah, I know.

01:48:11.000 My quadriceps.

01:48:11.000 I caught you slipping.

01:48:13.000 Thanks.

01:48:15.000 Abuse.

01:48:16.000 England was bad enough. 0.55

01:48:17.000 Now I've got to come here and get abused here?

01:48:19.000 Thank you, my friend.

01:48:20.000 My abuse is way better than England's. 1.00

01:48:22.000 Yeah, I know.

01:48:23.000 Your accent is correct. 0.99

01:48:26.000 How fucked up is that? 0.99

01:48:27.000 They invented English, and you're like, no, you're doing it wrong. 0.99

01:48:30.000 No, we speak American.

01:48:32.000 We don't speak English.

01:48:33.000 We speak American.

01:48:35.000 No, it's English.

01:48:36.000 I know.

01:48:36.000 It's from the English vernacular.

01:48:37.000 They were very proper and insulting you.

01:48:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:48:40.000 Were they?

01:48:40.000 Oh, they were.

01:48:42.000 What did that one doctor in the corner say about...

01:48:45.000 Well, what did he say about the results?

01:48:48.000 I presented to him 459 guys who had a 78% improvement in a year.

01:48:53.000 Okay, that was our 2019...

01:48:54.000 In comparison to what is...

01:48:56.000 No improvement.

01:48:57.000 Yeah.

01:48:58.000 No improvement.

01:48:59.000 Yeah.

01:48:59.000 And it wasn't a long presentation.

01:49:01.000 They only gave me like 20 minutes.

01:49:03.000 It was a three-hour lecture I put into 20 minutes.

01:49:06.000 20 minutes for you is like a couple of blinks.

01:49:08.000 The average person.

01:49:10.000 But it was good, right?

01:49:12.000 But one guy said he appreciates, what did he say?

01:49:15.000 He was sitting closer to him.

01:49:16.000 He appreciated your willingness to work with people who needed help, but he didn't believe a word you said.

01:49:22.000 Hilarious.

01:49:23.000 And there were like four or five docs that did that.

01:49:26.000 But that's fine.

01:49:27.000 Did you call them out on their motivations?

01:49:29.000 At the end, I basically said to my colleagues across the aisle, or across the pond, That if they continue on the paradigm that they're working, they're going to have as many suicides as we have in the United States.

01:49:43.000 Because there was no rationale.

01:49:45.000 It was a psychiatrist.

01:49:46.000 What's the scientific evidence a psychiatrist used before he puts you on, not you, but puts a person on antidepressants?

01:49:52.000 What's the science?

01:49:54.000 There's none.

01:49:54.000 What's the objective science?

01:49:56.000 You feel bad.

01:49:57.000 It's his perception.

01:49:58.000 Yes, exactly.

01:49:59.000 Here we have hard, objective, reproducible clinical data.

01:50:06.000 So I presented 459 cases.

01:50:09.000 We'll fillet it out into age groups, into what percentage of the people did best.

01:50:14.000 Our failures, I mean, we have failures.

01:50:17.000 Our failures are 24 people out of 459 were due to their being on medication that blocked our treatment.

01:50:25.000 There's certain medications we've learned.

01:50:27.000 What medications?

01:50:28.000 One called gabapentin.

01:50:32.000 It interrupts GABA, which is extremely important for sleep.

01:50:38.000 So it substitutes in.

01:50:40.000 Did they put you on gabapentin?

01:50:42.000 No.

01:50:42.000 I don't believe so.

01:50:43.000 Yeah, so I didn't go in.

01:50:44.000 What's the benefit of gabapentin?

01:50:46.000 For pain and for sleep, for chronic pain and sleep.

01:50:50.000 That's what they're using it for.

01:50:53.000 But the Surgeon General loved what he heard, and we actually won him over.

01:50:57.000 We're going to do this big study in Birmingham, England, like over four years.

01:51:01.000 So the Surgeon General loved it, and who didn't?

01:51:05.000 The people who had control of the military project at Imperial College.

01:51:13.000 The scientific advisors.

01:51:14.000 The scientific advisors.

01:51:15.000 Because you just threw a monkey wrench into all of their work.

01:51:19.000 Yeah.

01:51:19.000 When his name is Colonel Tim Hodgett.

01:51:24.000 That's the guy who had the problem?

01:51:26.000 Pardon?

01:51:26.000 That's the guy who had the problem.

01:51:27.000 No, he loves one.

01:51:28.000 He's the surgeon general designated him to talk.

01:51:32.000 Reed.

01:51:33.000 Alistair Reed was the surgeon general.

01:51:36.000 Shout out to Alistair Reid.

01:51:38.000 Yeah, he's like, truth.

01:51:41.000 Let's do it.

01:51:43.000 He came in, shut them up, and said, we're doing this.

01:51:45.000 We're doing it in Birmingham.

01:51:46.000 Really?

01:51:47.000 So what I promoted to do is...

01:51:50.000 They shut us down.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, they shut us down.

01:51:53.000 Why'd they shut you down?

01:51:54.000 They came back afterwards, the advisors, and worked however they worked it, and got them to agree that we shouldn't do this.

01:52:01.000 They didn't buy some from the Americas coming over.

01:52:04.000 Isn't that always the case in a movie, where you have these stiff British intellectuals who just don't buy all this new research, and they do whatever they can to stop it?

01:52:16.000 Except this really happened.

01:52:18.000 In real time, yes!

01:52:21.000 It's hilarious when those kind of stereotypes...

01:52:24.000 Do you know the story of Igor...

01:52:26.000 What is his name?

01:52:28.000 He was...

01:52:29.000 I just dropped his last name.

01:52:30.000 Anyway, he was at the first OB hospital in Austria.

01:52:35.000 And Simmelweis is his last name.

01:52:38.000 Simmelweis.

01:52:39.000 He was an obstetrician, gynecologist.

01:52:41.000 And during that time, they would go from cadaver dissection into doing vaginal exams on these pregnant women getting ready to deliver.

01:52:49.000 And they had a very high occurrence of what's called crib death, where they'd die.

01:52:54.000 Because they didn't understand at that time, they didn't have Koch postulates, that they were transferring infectious agents from the cadaver.

01:53:02.000 What year was this?

01:53:03.000 1700s.

01:53:04.000 They didn't wash their hands.

01:53:06.000 So Zimmelweiss, what he did, he says, ah, let's put lemon juice and lye together and we'll wash our hands.

01:53:14.000 And he took a 20% death rate down to less than 1%.

01:53:18.000 And he did a thesis on this and presented it to the first obstetrician or gynecological hospital in Austria.

01:53:26.000 And what they did, they refuted his results.

01:53:29.000 Why?

01:53:30.000 If they admitted that what he was doing, all it took was washing the hands, because what did they say during those times?

01:53:36.000 It was God's will.

01:53:37.000 It was God's will, the reason why the person died.

01:53:40.000 And it was also admit that they were doing things wrong.

01:53:43.000 They didn't want to acknowledge the fact that here's a guy that's an unknown guy.

01:53:47.000 I'm unknown.

01:53:48.000 I don't have credentials like these people we went up against.

01:53:51.000 And he was able to solve the problem, but they refuted it.

01:53:57.000 Okay, like Admiral Small.

01:53:59.000 Admiral Small from the British Admiralty.

01:54:02.000 He's the one who treated the first nutritional illness called scurvy.

01:54:06.000 But it took 50 years for the Admiralty to recognize it because they didn't want to believe it took...

01:54:11.000 That's how they got the name Limey's.

01:54:13.000 They didn't...

01:54:14.000 You know, all you need is vitamin C in order to avoid scurvy.

01:54:17.000 So the doctors...

01:54:18.000 That's where Limey's comes from?

01:54:20.000 That's right.

01:54:23.000 Go look it up.

01:54:24.000 Wow.

01:54:24.000 It's in my book, my first book, Interventional Endocrinology.

01:54:27.000 I talk about these cases because they talk about the paradigms and how difficult it is to get one generation of medical caregivers to change what they've been indoctrinated in and fixated on to something more modern that maybe solves a problem that they weren't able to resolve.

01:54:47.000 So it would be admitting that what I've been doing all this time has been wrong if I don't wash my hands.

01:54:53.000 Right.

01:54:53.000 And I can't take that heat because I become the culprit.

01:54:57.000 Now it wasn't God's will.

01:54:58.000 Right.

01:54:58.000 And then you become responsible for all those deaths that occurred during your treatment.

01:55:02.000 That's right.

01:55:03.000 Yeah.

01:55:03.000 And that's part of what I think is motivating a lot of the resistance there.

01:55:08.000 The science is there.

01:55:10.000 We're seeing it stateside just as much.

01:55:13.000 Are you?

01:55:14.000 It's ego, right?

01:55:15.000 And then it's also influenced from the pharmaceutical companies.

01:55:18.000 If I had a Harvard degree or if I had a Stanford or I had some of the other degrees behind my name instead of just MD, F-U-C-K, what would happen is they might listen to me.

01:55:32.000 Or you might have a different worldview.

01:55:34.000 Correct. 0.66

01:55:35.000 I'd say, oh, screw it, right? 0.99

01:55:37.000 Screw it. 0.96

01:55:38.000 Let it be.

01:55:39.000 One of our admirals, rear admirals that has been with us for about eight years, connected me with another admiral who got me to the Fort Detrick Army Medical Research and Development Group to share with them what we're doing.

01:55:58.000 And they were interested in it, but they didn't understand it because they asked me, where's the antidepressants?

01:56:04.000 Where are the anti-anxiety medications?

01:56:06.000 They're looking for maintaining the status quo.

01:56:09.000 The only way we're going to improve this is for people to open up and look at the science and say, huh, I didn't know about this.

01:56:17.000 And every week that I send out one of the articles with a little summary of it, I get docs come back and say, you know, this changed the way I'm looking at things.

01:56:28.000 Because it's an article that's vetted by peer review on a major, you know, Research.

01:56:34.000 You know, I look at psychopathoneurology research, articles that aren't JAMA, or they're not Lancet, or they're not, you know, New England Journal of Medicine.

01:56:45.000 And most doctors look at these key journals to get all their information, but all the information is filtered.

01:56:52.000 The narrative, the narrative of, okay, let's keep these paradigms going because they serve a purpose for other entities.

01:57:00.000 And that's possible because there's so many studies.

01:57:02.000 You can include the ones you like that suit your needs and ignore the ones that...

01:57:07.000 Correct.

01:57:08.000 Throw a monkey wrench in the narrative.

01:57:09.000 And I send out articles that refute some of the things that we do, but I also send articles that support it.

01:57:16.000 It's like I have up there about testosterone, the great battle of testosterone and cardiovascular disease.

01:57:23.000 The article that I shared with you there actually shows how important vitamin testosterone is for protecting the heart, how incredibly important it is.

01:57:34.000 That's funny because a lot of times you hear people say that people that supplement with testosterone, you're putting yourself in danger.

01:57:44.000 Right.

01:57:45.000 And if you look at the three articles that were the negative articles that made the FDA put a black box warning on testosterone distribution, stating that it can increase cardiovascular risk, the real issue was the group that had the Okay.

01:58:09.000 Okay.

01:58:21.000 Not everybody has this effect.

01:58:22.000 It's called mineral corticoid effect.

01:58:24.000 So if you find people who are on testosterone who find that they have a little puffiness, suprapubic fingers or on the legs, it's because they're one of the people that, individuals that retain sodium.

01:58:36.000 And what you do is put them on a Lasix or some diuretic three days a week, you know, cycle for a couple of weeks to get rid of the extra fluid.

01:58:46.000 Now, what about people that are like bodybuilding, where they're taking ridiculously large doses?

01:58:52.000 Yeah, some of them take diazide to help with the fluid, and a lot of the guys don't have the fluid retention.

01:58:58.000 No, but I mean for heart disease.

01:59:00.000 Oh, for heart disease.

01:59:02.000 Because a lot of those guys suffer from heart attacks, right?

01:59:04.000 Correct.

01:59:05.000 Many people missed the article where Arnold Schwarzenegger had cardiomyopathy enlargement of the heart.

01:59:13.000 Remember, the heart is a muscle.

01:59:15.000 So if you're on atabolic steroids, what happens is you get enlargement of the heart.

01:59:19.000 So he went to Mexico, the District Federal, the Cardiovascular Institute de Mexico, And had a resection of his left ventricle.

01:59:32.000 He had a new one recently.

01:59:33.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 A new operation.

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:35.000 So he's at two.

01:59:36.000 It was originally developed in Columbia.

01:59:40.000 American doctors, this is 15 years ago that the article started coming out.

01:59:45.000 They went to Columbia, yeah, I think it was Columbia or Uruguay, and they learned this technique.

01:59:51.000 They do a wedge resection of the heart.

01:59:53.000 They take a section out and they sew it back together.

01:59:55.000 Jesus!

01:59:56.000 Yeah.

01:59:57.000 You take a slice out of your heart?

01:59:58.000 Yeah, it's a myomectomy.

02:00:00.000 They take the muscle out.

02:00:03.000 What happens is when the left ventricle gets enlarged, the valves can't open correctly.

02:00:11.000 IHSS or IHHD, it's some letters.

02:00:14.000 My friend Everlast has a fake valve and he puts the microphone up to his chest and you hear it.

02:00:20.000 Oh, it's ticking.

02:00:21.000 Yeah, it's like a titanium valve.

02:00:24.000 It's very uncomfortable.

02:00:26.000 Why?

02:00:26.000 He feels it?

02:00:27.000 No, for me.

02:00:27.000 Oh, for you to hear it.

02:00:28.000 So take the microphone away.

02:00:30.000 No, I want to hear it.

02:00:31.000 I mean, but it's like when you hear it, you're like, whoa.

02:00:33.000 I mean, I don't mean like really uncomfortable.

02:00:35.000 I mean, like yikes.

02:00:37.000 Like you just kind of, it weirds you out because he puts it right on his chest and you can hear it.

02:00:42.000 It doesn't get lower.

02:00:45.000 Bizarre.

02:00:45.000 They have, what, porcine valves.

02:00:48.000 They've got a valve that has a loop on it with a ball in it.

02:00:51.000 Looks like a ping pong ball.

02:00:54.000 So...

02:00:54.000 Oh, boy.

02:00:55.000 Click, click, click, click, click.

02:00:57.000 Yeah, maybe that's what he has.

02:00:58.000 I'm not sure.

02:00:59.000 Back to the neuroinflammation.

02:01:01.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:01:02.000 How wild, I mean...

02:01:03.000 That is a major contributing factor to neuropsychiatric illness.

02:01:08.000 Correct.

02:01:08.000 And there's a whole bunch of articles that are up there that talk about it.

02:01:12.000 This is going to be mind-blowing, not just to people with TBI, but people that suffer from depression that are currently on SSRIs.

02:01:18.000 Correct.

02:01:19.000 Let me give a couple examples, Joe.

02:01:20.000 We'll look at a micro, and then we'll kind of break it out macro.

02:01:24.000 But Special Operations Command just issued a study.

02:01:28.000 Suicide study that showed that special operators are committing suicide 30% greater than the regular military.

02:01:37.000 This just came out through Freedom of Information Act this last summer.

02:01:41.000 So they went back, they did a psychological autopsy because so many operators were committing suicide.

02:01:47.000 And they looked at 29 different suicides that occurred in a three-year time period.

02:01:53.000 And they went back, and I wrote an article on it as well.

02:01:57.000 But what they found was that everybody who committed suicide were exhibiting what they called signs that were synonymous with suicide.

02:02:08.000 So it's called isolation, substance abuse, purposelessness, anxiety, hopelessness, withdrawal, anger, recklessness, mood changes, okay?

02:02:19.000 So they said, hey, 62% of the people who committed suicide that we're looking at had at least one sign, and almost 50% had more than one.

02:02:29.000 And of the people that we looked at, one third were diagnosed with being clinically depressed.

02:02:34.000 And so then they looked at and they said, okay, here are the other risk factors that we're finding in these individuals that commit suicide.

02:02:41.000 Escalating conflict in relationships, financial issues, legal problems, lack of access to mental health care.

02:02:49.000 And then they said nearly all the cases suffered from some form of emotional trauma following their first deployment.

02:02:56.000 Interviewees typically saw changes in the soft member after their first deployment.

02:03:01.000 So these are the main things that they said, hey, these are constant in all these suicides that we're seeing.

02:03:07.000 And then they came out with like a nine step recommendation.

02:03:09.000 And the recommendations were the guys need to do active role playing when they get back, they need access to better mental health, need to take away their access to lethal means, things like that.

02:03:21.000 And the point I'm making is nowhere in here is it ever identified or addressed that there could be a neuroinflammatory condition That leads to these neuropsychiatric conditions that then leads to suicide.

02:03:36.000 And why that's significant in this population is they are selected, assessed, and cultivated to be psychologically and physically resilient in very difficult situations.

02:03:52.000 So the question I think we have to ask ourselves is, why is the special operations community, according to the Special Operations Command, committing suicide at a rate that's the highest in the military and 30% higher than everybody else?

02:04:05.000 The answer that we know is because they live in an environment that exposes them to neuroinflammatory conditions.

02:04:16.000 So that's a very specific thing right there that just blew my mind when I went into the research.

02:04:21.000 It absolutely infuriated me to realize, like, nothing is being done any different than it was six years ago, and the problems have even gotten worse.

02:04:30.000 So then you look at, okay, like we talked about, 50 million Americans, one out of every five, have a mental health illness.

02:04:38.000 50% of children It's absolutely mind-blowing, and we know, I don't think Mark is saying that neuroinflammation is the factor.

02:04:48.000 It is a significant contributing factor, and it's not even a main player in the conversation.

02:04:55.000 And I think that's criminal.

02:04:57.000 It doesn't matter what you're going to do about it.

02:04:59.000 And that's what our work has been focusing around, is showing, hey, there's actually an alternative to this, and we need to have an alternative conversation based in science, based in evidence, based in results.

02:05:12.000 And we should be able to discuss that and put these things forward so people can have access to them.

02:05:16.000 But when you learn this, it just infuriates you.

02:05:19.000 Here's another one.

02:05:20.000 What was it?

02:05:21.000 The Veteran Suicide Prevention Annual Report.

02:05:24.000 This just came out in 2020. Now, the suicide rate has gone up since 2005 in the veteran community by about 6%.

02:05:32.000 But here's the mind-blowing statistic.

02:05:36.000 In the civilian population, suicide has risen almost 50% since 2005. It was 30,000, roughly 30,000, 2005 a year.

02:05:45.000 Now we're over 45,000 a year.

02:05:47.000 This is insanity.

02:05:48.000 And if we're saying that neuroinflammation is a major contributing factor to this, then it's time to look at the research.

02:05:57.000 It's time to look at the evidence.

02:05:58.000 It's time to look at the clinical results and do something else.

02:06:01.000 This is what Quiet Explosions is built around.

02:06:04.000 This is what Warrior Angels Foundation is built around.

02:06:07.000 This is what our life's ambition is worked around, is to put this information out It's not to put anybody's condition down or say it's not real.

02:06:16.000 We're saying there's things out there that you didn't know about That could be contributing significantly to the negative state you're in.

02:06:23.000 And then you find out, okay, well, what can cause neuroinflammation?

02:06:27.000 Poor diet, certain chemicals, certain medications, my environment, lack of sun, poor water.

02:06:34.000 All these influences, all these factors.

02:06:37.000 So it kind of puts you back in the driver's seat is where you want to be.

02:06:39.000 Like, I need to do everything I can to get these things where they need to be.

02:06:44.000 First, and then start looking at what needs to happen second.

02:06:46.000 That would be my recommendation for anybody who's having issues to look at those things.

02:06:50.000 But I just wanted to highlight this to the audience because I think it's such a significant thing that's not even known or talked about.

02:06:56.000 And we know very clearly that there is real reasons why these things happen.

02:07:02.000 Again, and Mark can validate it better than I can.

02:07:06.000 How much resistance are you getting to this?

02:07:11.000 Obviously, from the patients you're treating, you're getting this massive positive response.

02:07:17.000 Huge, but much bigger than anything anybody's ever done before.

02:07:21.000 If you really look at the actual numbers and percentages, it's off the charts.

02:07:25.000 We're breaking the four-minute mile.

02:07:28.000 Absolutely.

02:07:29.000 Because we're giving people psychological permission to do the same thing, and that's happening over and over again.

02:07:33.000 When you have someone able to go to get dual masters at MIT and Harvard who couldn't go to school before that, or one of our guys who just graduated physician assistant school, number one summa cum laude president award, who couldn't do anything before that.

02:07:49.000 Or the seal who had multiple sclerosis, which is an inflammatory process.

02:07:55.000 In 60 days, he was 50% better because multiple sclerosis is an inflammatory process.

02:08:00.000 What is the standard treatment for multiple sclerosis?

02:08:03.000 They give them an inflammatory blocker or they give them, what is it called, gamma antibodies.

02:08:11.000 They give them antibodies because it's an inflammatory process.

02:08:15.000 ALS inflammatory process, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's disease.

02:08:19.000 Now they're looking at Alzheimer's and asking questions.

02:08:22.000 Did you have any trauma in your past?

02:08:24.000 They're now starting to ask about trauma because the NFL did a study five years ago where they found that if you had one concussion on the field, one concussion on the field, you were 19 times more likely to develop Alzheimer's disease than in the general population at a younger age,

02:08:42.000 30 to 49 years of age.

02:08:44.000 Well, trauma-induced Parkinson's is something that's been known about in fighting for a long time.

02:08:48.000 Correct.

02:08:49.000 I mean, that's what Muhammad Ali had.

02:08:50.000 Correct. 0.96

02:08:50.000 And I remember there was this moronic argument that, no, no, he doesn't have pugilistic dementia. 0.96

02:08:57.000 He has Parkinson's. 0.93

02:08:58.000 Same thing. 1.00

02:08:59.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

02:09:00.000 Did you watch the Frazier fights? 1.00

02:09:02.000 Did you watch these fights?

02:09:04.000 Did you watch the Larry Holmes fight?

02:09:06.000 Did you watch the Trevor Burwick fight? 1.00

02:09:08.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:09:09.000 You don't think those things are connected? 1.00

02:09:10.000 You're on your mind.

02:09:11.000 Absolutely.

02:09:12.000 We have a gal who flies in from Stockholm, Sweden, who had mild to moderate Parkinson's on three medications.

02:09:20.000 90 days later, she's 70% better.

02:09:22.000 She doesn't have the pill rolling.

02:09:24.000 She doesn't have the shuffling of feet. 0.91

02:09:25.000 She's animated.

02:09:26.000 She's happy.

02:09:27.000 It's inflammation.

02:09:29.000 And so you think this is the case with Parkinson's?

02:09:32.000 You think this is the case with cerebral palsy?

02:09:35.000 Yes.

02:09:36.000 All neurological.

02:09:36.000 All inflammatory processes.

02:09:38.000 And so if someone has cerebral palsy, they put them on what medication?

02:09:44.000 Well, initially you do a laboratory testing.

02:09:46.000 If they wanted to go blindly, the TriKit, which is the three products, are probably the best way to start.

02:09:53.000 And this is what I'm trying to...

02:09:55.000 But they're also on a medication, right?

02:09:57.000 If they've been treated or diagnosed with cerebral palsy, they would put them on something, right?

02:10:01.000 What do they put them on?

02:10:02.000 They might be on something.

02:10:03.000 They might not?

02:10:04.000 They might not be.

02:10:05.000 Okay.

02:10:06.000 So oxygen deprivation, it's oxygen deprivation.

02:10:10.000 We had one...

02:10:11.000 A USC student who on his last semester at Marshall School of Business ended up going out partying and his friends found him flatlined.

02:10:22.000 And he had anoxic, he was recovered, anoxic brain damage.

02:10:28.000 And he was like a five-year-old kid when his mom brought him into the office.

02:10:32.000 Six months later, he's back at USC finishing up his program.

02:10:35.000 So it could have been that was his natural course.

02:10:38.000 It could be that we participated in helping him to accelerate and better into improvement.

02:10:44.000 Now, what about non-pharmaceutical, non-nutritional interventions?

02:10:49.000 Like, is there anything like hyperbaric chamber or anything else?

02:10:54.000 Yeah, HBOT, that's...

02:10:57.000 We have a whole section of that in the movie as well.

02:10:59.000 Yeah, Dr. Scheer is in Northern California.

02:11:03.000 Yeah, San Francisco.

02:11:04.000 San Francisco, who uses HBOT. And is that what you're saying?

02:11:08.000 HBUT is hyperbaric chamber?

02:11:10.000 Hyperbaric oxygen therapy, yeah.

02:11:12.000 We have people who have done well with it.

02:11:14.000 We have people who have done well, and then after stopping it, they revert it.

02:11:19.000 It's really...

02:11:22.000 In my experience, Dr. Scheer would say differently because he does it daily.

02:11:27.000 I see it occasionally.

02:11:28.000 I don't see it being the key or a key, but I do believe that the combination of what we do with HBOT might be an accelerant, might be together beneficial to the patient.

02:11:41.000 So it would be a study.

02:11:42.000 We looked at it from the foundation's point of view because we wanted to do what was the most financially, you know, best solution fiscally, as well as the most bang for the buck, which is going to give the individual the best return.

02:11:55.000 And it wasn't because we just wanted to do marks.

02:11:59.000 We looked at everything, and I've put myself in everything.

02:12:02.000 It is the most sound thing you can do because it says, Drop inflammation, replenish what the brain's no longer making.

02:12:09.000 What we found is, over the years, that if you don't do those first two steps, all these other modalities, if there's any type of benefit, it's not sustainable.

02:12:18.000 So this is step one, and those other ones will magnify, could potentially magnify the effect.

02:12:25.000 Now, that's just my observation, but that's how we looked at it as an organization to put our money behind.

02:12:31.000 You know, electric stimulation of the brain.

02:12:34.000 I did a lecture for the International Society of Neurofeedback and Research.

02:12:41.000 We also had a top guy on Quiet Exposions for that as well.

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:44.000 And the issue was they would do this electrostimulation, but it wouldn't hold.

02:12:49.000 They'd do, you know, 50, 60 sessions of it.

02:12:51.000 It didn't hold.

02:12:52.000 And the reason why it didn't hold is because the inflammation doesn't allow the neurons to function optimally.

02:12:59.000 So, in correcting the biochemistry of the brain, what happened was you were getting a better sustained benefit from the technique, from the technology.

02:13:11.000 And this is something that they're starting to look at.

02:13:16.000 You know, we're starting to see other entities that are talking about the neuroendocrinology that we started doing back in 2004, starting to see it's a key player.

02:13:25.000 The only resistance that I would see coming from this is people that have a vested interest in continuing the path that they're on now because they've got a financial interest in that and also that it just, you're gonna have to train so many people and it's complicated.

02:13:39.000 Yeah, well, that's why the program.

02:13:42.000 But is there resistance?

02:13:44.000 Like, are you getting some from the United States?

02:13:46.000 Are you getting some?

02:13:47.000 I mean, how many people are aware of this, other than the podcast that we've done, and all the information you've gotten out there, and your documentary, and...

02:13:57.000 Because of you, we're in about 34 countries, our knowledge about what we're doing.

02:14:02.000 And I send out newsletters to them to let them know that eventually we're coming.

02:14:07.000 We hope that the England-UK project would have been the forefront.

02:14:12.000 Wake up, England.

02:14:13.000 Yeah, forefront. 1.00

02:14:13.000 Wake the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

02:14:14.000 Yeah, I've been working with a group in Madrid, Spain. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Three doctors I've trained there because their medical restrictions are less than in the UK. They're more latitude to do things.

02:14:27.000 Canada, we've got eight docs that we've trained there, but they're very restrictive.

02:14:32.000 DHEA and pregnenolone is by prescription only.

02:14:34.000 What?

02:14:35.000 Yeah, and by prescription only and is compounded there.

02:14:38.000 Meanwhile, it's legal through the whole country.

02:14:40.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:14:41.000 Australia, it's illegal DHEA because it's a precursor to testosterone.

02:14:46.000 Oh.

02:14:46.000 What?

02:14:47.000 In Brazil, Anna.

02:14:50.000 Do you think it's illegal in Australia?

02:14:52.000 It's really complicated.

02:14:54.000 Illegal in Brazil.

02:14:58.000 Illegal in Brazil?

02:14:59.000 Wait a minute.

02:15:00.000 In Brazil you can get steroids.

02:15:04.000 DHEA is illegal.

02:15:06.000 What?

02:15:07.000 Steroids, I don't know about steroids there.

02:15:09.000 I'm pretty sure you can get steroids.

02:15:11.000 I think it's like Mexico.

02:15:12.000 I think it's one of those deals.

02:15:13.000 Just walking to a pharmacy and request it?

02:15:15.000 Maybe it used to be and maybe it changed.

02:15:17.000 I haven't been to Brazil in a while, but I know they call it the bomba.

02:15:22.000 Bomba.

02:15:23.000 We're not waiting on the government or any governments.

02:15:26.000 We're going to continue doing what we're doing.

02:15:28.000 If it's got to be grassroots, it's got to be grassroots.

02:15:29.000 We have a strategic plan to expand what we're doing and to grow.

02:15:33.000 But we're not going to wait for the government to come get involved.

02:15:37.000 If you are a veteran and you're somewhere in this country and you don't have access to Dr. Mark Gordon, what's the best resource?

02:15:44.000 What's the best way to get started?

02:15:46.000 They can go to the website and pick up a lot of information from the tbihelpnow.org.

02:15:51.000 And there's information about our TRIPAC, and that's what we're doing right now, trying to get the impediment to starting our programs by having the core product readily available.

02:16:02.000 And that's what the studies that we're doing last year in Kentucky and now with the Marines and then with two other organizations, military organizations.

02:16:13.000 We're just going to say we're going to prove this out, these statistics, through special operations.

02:16:17.000 We're going to do, through our own funded work, we're going to prove that we have a significantly better solution.

02:16:25.000 Correct.

02:16:25.000 And these products aren't lining my pockets.

02:16:28.000 The money is used.

02:16:30.000 It funds our mission.

02:16:31.000 Yeah, it funds my practice to be able to extend 81 people last year.

02:16:38.000 I know you've treated a shitload of people for free.

02:16:40.000 It's very admirable the way you do it, the way you handle things.

02:16:42.000 Yeah, I only need one bottle of scotch a month, so I'm cool.

02:16:48.000 And a lot of times people just donate it.

02:16:50.000 That's nice.

02:16:52.000 We'll work for scotch.

02:16:54.000 What's that?

02:16:54.000 We'll work for scotch.

02:16:55.000 Single malt scotch is well worth it.

02:16:57.000 But the mission is, what I've done is I've written a grant application for the Department of Defense.

02:17:07.000 And I haven't submitted it yet because I need some help.

02:17:11.000 And one of the congressmen in the area that I live in, California, has stated that he'll help me once he was re-elected, and he was re-elected, good Republican, and he'll help me to get the final parts done so I can submit it.

02:17:27.000 Well, now that you're in Houston, you also get Congressman Dan Crenshaw.

02:17:31.000 I'd like to.

02:17:32.000 I would love to connect you guys.

02:17:33.000 I'd like to.

02:17:33.000 Yeah, I'll send him this and connect you guys together.

02:17:37.000 Yeah, it would be great.

02:17:38.000 I've sent him a copy of the book.

02:17:41.000 I think we've sent him a DVD. It hasn't.

02:17:44.000 And then a couple of the SEALs who know him personally have reached out for him.

02:17:48.000 But there's the turmoil that's going on in the United States, I think.

02:17:52.000 There's turmoil?

02:17:52.000 A little bit of turmoil.

02:17:54.000 What's going on?

02:17:55.000 I don't know, but that's what they're telling me.

02:17:56.000 There's a lot of craziness going on.

02:17:58.000 Was there an election or something recently?

02:18:01.000 Who won?

02:18:03.000 I think it's under dispute.

02:18:04.000 Oh, it's under dispute. 1.00

02:18:09.000 Even saying that it's under dispute, people are like, shut the fuck up! 0.99

02:18:13.000 It is not under dispute! 0.99

02:18:15.000 Or it is.

02:18:17.000 They stole it!

02:18:18.000 There's two camps right now.

02:18:19.000 Yeah, so the TriPak is available online and it's what we're leading with right now in our non-office base because I can't practice in every state.

02:18:31.000 Is there a list of affiliated doctors?

02:18:35.000 Yes.

02:18:35.000 They go to that team on the website and they'll see in every state where we have a trained doc.

02:18:41.000 We have an international group that's growing.

02:18:43.000 How many trained docs in the United States do you have currently?

02:18:46.000 I think there are 53, 54, and I've trained over 600. Oh, that's great.

02:18:52.000 They take the class, read the book, take the class, and then take an exam, which can take three days to complete.

02:18:58.000 So the 600 is worldwide?

02:19:00.000 Is that what it is?

02:19:01.000 No, that's as many that you've trained.

02:19:03.000 That's how many I've trained.

02:19:04.000 They're not all practicing.

02:19:06.000 No.

02:19:07.000 Okay.

02:19:08.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

02:19:09.000 Because the information is so overwhelming.

02:19:11.000 That's why the emphasis went into the program to make it easier for them.

02:19:15.000 I understand.

02:19:16.000 So if you're in an area within a reasonable distance of you, there should be someone who can help you.

02:19:22.000 Correct.

02:19:23.000 And hopefully with this program and also I'll be training another group of docs in Miami April 15th on our protocol and then introducing them to the computer program so they can use them both together,

02:19:39.000 the didactic academic information and then the program to accelerate it.

02:19:43.000 It's very bizarre to me that there's oftentimes these situations where one person and their understanding of something changes everything.

02:19:53.000 That you have all these soldiers with TBI. You have all these people with traumatic brain injuries.

02:19:58.000 You have all these people with clinical depression, massive inflammation.

02:20:03.000 You talked about all the papers that are published that clearly point to all this science.

02:20:11.000 But yet, it takes one guy to put it all together and push it forth.

02:20:16.000 And there's not a lot of people that are shouting out exactly what you're saying from the mountaintops.

02:20:23.000 Even though all that science is there, this is all science-based.

02:20:28.000 Yeah, and I think that the movie will help to open up the eyes and minds of people who do see the movie because it's so compelling.

02:20:35.000 That's a lot of responsibility for you is what I was getting to.

02:20:38.000 It's kind of crazy that you are the guy.

02:20:40.000 I got three daughters.

02:20:42.000 Jeez, that's responsibility.

02:20:44.000 I understand.

02:20:45.000 I have three daughters too.

02:20:45.000 Yeah, I know that.

02:20:47.000 If you need any help, let me know.

02:20:49.000 But what I'm saying is the responsibility of this, it's incredible that it's just you.

02:20:55.000 That you're the one who's figured all this stuff out.

02:20:58.000 No, it's us.

02:20:58.000 I understand.

02:20:59.000 It's us.

02:20:59.000 But I'm saying from the medical community.

02:21:01.000 Correct.

02:21:02.000 It's kind of nuts.

02:21:03.000 And that's why...

02:21:04.000 I mean, Andrew, doesn't it seem kind of nuts?

02:21:05.000 Yeah.

02:21:05.000 You know this guy and you found this guy?

02:21:07.000 And he's the one who's putting all this together?

02:21:09.000 I mean, it's like...

02:21:11.000 When we went to England, I brought a syllabus with 50 key articles put in order from A to B to C, so someone who read them would understand the thought processes that I was forced to go through in order to learn and understand the simplicity.

02:21:31.000 I mean, I don't mean to deprecate or downplay the science that I've been reading, but the simplicity is It's like you have a car, you put gasoline in it, you put olive oil in it, you put water in it, and you expect you're going to drive.

02:21:47.000 It's not going to happen.

02:21:48.000 What happens to the brain when you have inflammation, it changes the chemistry, and that disrupts all the regulatory systems that we have, the control mechanisms, the communication that says, no, frontal lobe.

02:22:02.000 You're going to take the coffee, put it into the cup, put the sugar in there, and put the hot water in it.

02:22:07.000 You're not going to pour the hot water down the sink.

02:22:10.000 It gives us our function, our ability to sequence things.

02:22:15.000 And if you change the chemistry, you lose it.

02:22:17.000 That's what happens in Alzheimer's by loss of pregnenolone, by loss of pregnenolone sulfate, progesterone, dopamine.

02:22:24.000 So it's that simple.

02:22:25.000 Correct the chemistry.

02:22:26.000 It is, but even you've said that the information is overwhelming to the average doctor.

02:22:32.000 Correct.

02:22:33.000 All I'm doing is, what is it?

02:22:36.000 Consolidating.

02:22:37.000 Consolidating it into something that's 50 articles, or I can consolidate it, you know, 10 articles up there talk about the inflammation and the precipitation of psychiatric illnesses.

02:22:50.000 Very clearly.

02:22:51.000 And it shows in every one of the labeled, and I don't label depression anymore or anxiety or bipolar, but in each one of these labeled conditions, they did testing and showed the inflammatory cytokines in each one.

02:23:05.000 Then on the side, they have those autoimmune illnesses, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, Crohn's disease, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis.

02:23:13.000 And when you block the inflammatory cytokines, Not only does their underlying autoimmune syndrome disappear, but the depression associated with it disappears.

02:23:23.000 What more science do you need?

02:23:25.000 Cause and effect.

02:23:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it's all straightforward.

02:23:28.000 It makes sense.

02:23:29.000 Even to someone like me that doesn't really understand what you're saying.

02:23:32.000 Yeah, that's been usual.

02:23:34.000 So, yeah, I got a personal bone to pick with this SOCOM suicide study.

02:23:40.000 We're going to focus and do our best to show a different alternative for that.

02:23:45.000 And then we're going to focus on...

02:24:02.000 I'm glad you said that about homeless people because the weird narrative that I always hear is we need to get them housing.

02:24:11.000 I'm like, maybe, but also, is there other things that are causing them to be mentally disturbed, addicted to drugs, like self-medicating?

02:24:21.000 Like, what is going on?

02:24:23.000 What is going on with these people?

02:24:25.000 Yeah.

02:24:26.000 Well, we got linked up with a couple of the organizations in Texas.

02:24:30.000 They did their own internal...

02:24:31.000 Richard Troxell.

02:24:32.000 Yeah, their own internal study in Austin.

02:24:34.000 Home the Homeless.

02:24:34.000 That was in Austin, wasn't it?

02:24:35.000 I think so.

02:24:36.000 Home the Homeless, or was it Dallas?

02:24:38.000 They found out that up to half of the homeless had a documented head injury in their past.

02:24:44.000 And that's pretty consistent.

02:24:45.000 So is it the only reason?

02:24:47.000 No, but it's probably a major contributing factor.

02:24:49.000 We've been in dialogue with a guy by the name of Richard Troxell, who was homeless himself, a veteran who was homeless and developed this organization, House of the Homeless Veterans.

02:25:00.000 So we've been in dialogue with him for three, four years because this is something, if we can...

02:25:06.000 Get them out of the homeless status.

02:25:08.000 They'll be able to get back into life and do well.

02:25:13.000 There's great programs right now that are doing that.

02:25:15.000 They don't have this component to it, so we're looking to add it.

02:25:18.000 They're just housing them. 0.51

02:25:19.000 They're not addressing, as you stated, their underlying biochemical inflammation or the biochemical condition.

02:25:25.000 It's barely a Band-Aid.

02:25:26.000 It's like a wet Band-Aid.

02:25:28.000 It's like, you know it's not going to stick.

02:25:30.000 And then a lot of times when they house these people, they tell them, well, one stipulation is you have to get off the drugs.

02:25:37.000 Well, that's not easy.

02:25:39.000 Like, it's easier for them to be on the street and do the drugs.

02:25:41.000 And this is what happens in a lot of these homeless encampments that they put together.

02:25:46.000 Except in California and San Francisco where they gave them alcohol, weed, and cigarettes.

02:25:51.000 Well, San Francisco is the most helpless and Los Angeles is rapidly closing in on what San Francisco is like. 0.98

02:26:00.000 I mean, San Francisco is just fucking crazy right now. 0.83

02:26:04.000 And look, I think the greatest thing that happened just recently is we transported the district attorney from San Francisco to Los Angeles. 0.95

02:26:11.000 Yeah, I heard there are these lawsuits about his prosecution practices and his...

02:26:17.000 Yeah, it's...

02:26:19.000 I don't understand.

02:26:20.000 I really don't.

02:26:21.000 I don't understand what the long game is for California unless they're trying to kill it.

02:26:27.000 It's like they're turning it into a third world country. 0.57

02:26:29.000 It's very strange.

02:26:31.000 Maybe they want to succeed from the...

02:26:33.000 They don't want to succeed, but they do want to succeed.

02:26:35.000 But it's better if they're ejected.

02:26:38.000 You mean secede?

02:26:39.000 Secede.

02:26:39.000 Yeah.

02:26:40.000 Secede from the union.

02:26:41.000 Instead of seceding.

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:43.000 It's my list.

02:26:44.000 Succeeding.

02:26:44.000 Yeah.

02:26:45.000 Succeeding is not succeeding.

02:26:47.000 Succeeding.

02:26:48.000 Yeah.

02:26:50.000 It's really confusing.

02:26:52.000 What are your thoughts on this mRNA vaccine?

02:26:56.000 It's the first RNA vaccine that we've had, and it simulates the spike protein, which we talked about earlier.

02:27:07.000 The spike protein is what allows it to get into our cells.

02:27:10.000 So if we have an immune system that will help to stop it from getting into the cell, then we win.

02:27:17.000 So the question really is, is it such a new...

02:27:20.000 It's the first time we had an RNA-based virus.

02:27:24.000 A vaccine.

02:27:26.000 So the question is, what's down the road?

02:27:28.000 There are people talking about it incorporating into our DNA, reverse transcriptase, going into our DNA and creating problems.

02:27:35.000 There are issues with where it came from, how it was cultivated, how it was cultured, and it causing side effects.

02:27:42.000 I've seen some pictures of something called monsterism or swelling of the face, allergic reaction.

02:27:49.000 We always have allergic reactions from We're good to go.

02:28:01.000 We're good to go.

02:28:05.000 And in that immune response is the production of inflammatory cytokines.

02:28:12.000 It's part of the mechanism by which our immune system responds to attack.

02:28:18.000 We haven't seen this foreign protein that's being put into our body, so the body says, immune system, go after it.

02:28:24.000 And in the process of the immune system, it processes this foreign protein through macrophages to lymphocytes to generate the antibodies.

02:28:35.000 If it's, as they say, it should be great.

02:28:39.000 Absolutely great.

02:28:40.000 Yes, there will be certain people who have a small percentage of reaction.

02:28:43.000 Do you think these side effects might coincide with all of the various factors you were talking about earlier that would lead to people having long-term COVID problems being affected?

02:28:54.000 Inflammation issues.

02:28:56.000 Yes.

02:28:56.000 Because you're not fixing an inflammation issue by giving them this vaccine.

02:29:01.000 Correct.

02:29:01.000 You are giving their body's ability to produce proteins that will help fight off that virus, but you still have this underlying problem of inflammation.

02:29:10.000 So do you think that maybe this mRNA vaccine along with Having a protocol to reduce inflammation in the body, reduce these inflammatory markers in the blood, that this should be a dual point strategy.

02:29:26.000 Absolutely.

02:29:27.000 And that's the brain care too.

02:29:28.000 So what we're telling our patient population who have elected to go and get the COVID vaccine when it's available, They're already on the Brain Care 2, which has the anti-inflammatory products that help drop the production of cytokines to try and help mitigate some of the inflammation that is intrinsic to getting any vaccine.

02:29:50.000 So if someone's going to get the vaccine without taking Brain Care 2, what are the issues that they need to...

02:29:56.000 The stack.

02:29:57.000 The stack.

02:29:57.000 So quercetin, zinc, D3... Vitamin E and vitamin C. Fish oil, DHEA, ascorbate palmitate.

02:30:11.000 Correct.

02:30:11.000 And all those different things.

02:30:13.000 And also reduction of the processed foods in the diet.

02:30:17.000 Correct.

02:30:17.000 And alcohol.

02:30:18.000 Diminishing alcohol.

02:30:19.000 And all of those things would probably lead to...

02:30:23.000 I think there was with the...

02:30:25.000 Was it the Pfizer or the Moderna that had an 80%, 80% of the people experienced some significant side effect, meaning like fever.

02:30:34.000 Yeah, I think it was the Pfizer census, the one that came out.

02:30:37.000 They've got AstraZeneca in Europe.

02:30:39.000 This is in the trials, though.

02:30:41.000 Bill Gates was talking about it, that there was on the second...

02:30:44.000 Was it Moderna?

02:30:45.000 The second vaccination, the second dose, was where a lot of people had these body chills and aches and pains.

02:30:53.000 You think a lot of that could be mitigated by reducing the inflammatory markers in the blood?

02:30:58.000 Yeah, the second injection is to enact the animistic response, which means memory response.

02:31:07.000 The first injection you get will We're good to go.

02:31:17.000 We're good to go.

02:31:32.000 We're good to go.

02:31:37.000 We're good to go.

02:31:39.000 I think about why people are getting, with the first shot, symptoms similar to the people who get both shots is because they're not testing whether or not you've been exposed to coronavirus before.

02:31:51.000 Remember, H1N1 is corona, SARS is corona.

02:31:54.000 Remember that in 2009 or 11, they added H1N1. To our annual influenza vaccine, which is called a quaternary, four components in it.

02:32:10.000 And a lot of people didn't even know that.

02:32:12.000 So we're already being exposed to the coronavirus in a vaccine.

02:32:17.000 So I already have that potential for an animistic response, the memory response.

02:32:22.000 So when I get my first injection...

02:32:26.000 First injection of the new Corona-19 virus.

02:32:29.000 My question is, is it going to interact with your prior injection and create this overwhelming response?

02:32:36.000 Okay?

02:32:37.000 So I've got out to a couple of virologists, immunologists, whether or not that will work.

02:32:43.000 Is this just part of the issue with something that's being rushed?

02:32:48.000 These things are things that they do consider when they go through a five-year trial period.

02:32:52.000 They do.

02:32:53.000 Like they normally do to create a vaccine.

02:32:54.000 Right.

02:32:55.000 How long did it take for the H1N1 vaccine to come out?

02:32:59.000 People don't remember.

02:33:00.000 Six months.

02:33:01.000 Six months.

02:33:02.000 But it wasn't distributed.

02:33:04.000 Why?

02:33:04.000 You say coronavirus, right?

02:33:06.000 But H1N1 is a flu.

02:33:08.000 It's in a swine flu.

02:33:11.000 It's in a family.

02:33:13.000 Of these coronaviruses.

02:33:15.000 H1N1 is.

02:33:16.000 H1N1 is.

02:33:17.000 SARS is.

02:33:18.000 Coronavirus, right.

02:33:19.000 Right.

02:33:20.000 Because we generally, at least the uninitiated like myself, look at something like the flu virus and a common cold rhinovirus or coronavirus.

02:33:29.000 We look at it in a different light.

02:33:31.000 Yeah, they're all different, you know, like influenza A and B. It's different than rhinovirus or enterovirus, different than H1N1. But H1N1, SARS virus, and COVID-19 are in the same place.

02:33:47.000 So it may be that people that have gotten a recent flu shot and then get the COVID-19 shot, they react.

02:33:54.000 Yeah.

02:33:55.000 That's my perception.

02:33:57.000 And you think that that also could be mitigated by reducing inflammatory markers in the blood?

02:34:02.000 Yeah.

02:34:03.000 What really reduce it is when they have the finger antibody test.

02:34:09.000 That's accurate.

02:34:11.000 So it would mean going in, it's a $35 test, I believe, to get your finger prick and find out whether or not you already have the antibodies against coronavirus.

02:34:21.000 But they're trying to say that COVID-19 is so unique, but in the coronavirus grouping, they all have the spike protein.

02:34:30.000 The DNA is different.

02:34:31.000 The RNA is different.

02:34:33.000 That's the one thing different.

02:34:35.000 It's an RNA virus.

02:34:37.000 Are you going to take it?

02:34:40.000 I don't like that.

02:34:43.000 I'm not taking it.

02:34:44.000 Hell no.

02:34:45.000 It will be based upon five years experience.

02:34:50.000 Andrew, you were telling me that you did jujitsu with a guy who tested positive.

02:34:55.000 Yeah, true.

02:34:56.000 So when you were rolling with him, was he positive?

02:34:59.000 Yeah.

02:34:59.000 That's bananas.

02:35:01.000 And you didn't get it.

02:35:01.000 Correct.

02:35:02.000 And I got tested multiple times, no symptoms, and it's because of everything we've been talking about.

02:35:08.000 We're good to go.

02:35:30.000 And so you think that protocol acts as a shield and protects you from...

02:35:35.000 You need to see John Salus' 17-minute video where he talks about how it works.

02:35:42.000 Where can I see that?

02:35:43.000 It's up there.

02:35:44.000 I sent it to you.

02:35:47.000 If you go to TBI... What are we doing here?

02:35:51.000 What's that?

02:35:53.000 TBIhelpnow.org.

02:35:55.000 And it's under...

02:36:00.000 Not the science.

02:36:01.000 The last one is media.

02:36:02.000 It's under media.

02:36:03.000 How bad did your friend get sick?

02:36:04.000 The guy you're training with.

02:36:05.000 He said that he had...

02:36:06.000 Not bad at all.

02:36:07.000 Keep going.

02:36:08.000 If he didn't know otherwise...

02:36:09.000 Right there.

02:36:10.000 Go up.

02:36:10.000 He wasn't worried about his daughter.

02:36:12.000 He would have been fine.

02:36:12.000 That one right there.

02:36:15.000 Okay.

02:36:16.000 Okay.

02:36:16.000 Let's hear that.

02:36:17.000 Play it.

02:36:21.000 Oh, we don't want to do that.

02:36:22.000 What's that?

02:36:23.000 We don't want to play 17 minutes.

02:36:24.000 No, no, no.

02:36:25.000 Move it forward to about two minutes.

02:36:30.000 There!

02:36:32.000 Where it said zinc.

02:36:33.000 There it goes.

02:36:34.000 Okay.

02:36:35.000 Look at the molecular biology of the cell once again.

02:36:39.000 Here is the nucleus of the cell.

02:36:41.000 In the nucleus of the cell is the DNA. The DNA is a double-stranded string of nucleotides, which are the codes.

02:36:49.000 Those codes are transcribed using RNA polymerase into RNA. That RNA then goes out of the nucleus, gets a 5' cap, and gets a 3' poly-A tail and it's ready for ribosomes to come on to read that code and that code is then translated into the code of amino acids which amino acid after amino acid will turn into a polypeptide which turns into a protein And proteins are how

02:37:19.000 the cell gets things done.

02:37:21.000 So it moves by proteins, actin and myosin.

02:37:24.000 It can bind oxygen through hemoglobin.

02:37:27.000 It can do cellular metabolism.

02:37:31.000 All of those enzymes in glycolysis, in the citric acid cycle, all those things that you learned in biochemistry, those are all enzymes.

02:37:38.000 Those are all proteins.

02:37:41.000 So that's the normal situation.

02:37:43.000 Now enter coronavirus.

02:37:45.000 Coronavirus has its own genome.

02:37:47.000 It is made out of RNA. And that RNA just happens to have a 5' head and a poly-A tail.

02:37:54.000 So when it pops into the cytosol, It's going to be read by those same ribosomes that can't tell the difference.

02:38:00.000 Except this time, instead of making a protein that's useful to your cell, this RNA that comes out of the virus is going to make something called a RNA-dependent RNA polymerase.

02:38:12.000 And it's this enzyme right here that is going to read from the 3'm to the 5'm of the viral RNA and replicate it.

02:38:23.000 So this RNA-dependent RNA polymerase makes more viral genomes.

02:38:29.000 It's also known as replicase for that reason.

02:38:32.000 And there's something that has been shown to inhibit this replicase, and that is zinc.

02:38:41.000 Zinc will shut down RNA-dependent RNA polymerase or replicase.

02:38:47.000 And so that is what we learned.

02:38:50.000 The problem is, how do you get zinc inside the cell?

02:38:54.000 The problem with zinc is that it's an ion.

02:38:56.000 It's a 2 plus ion.

02:38:58.000 And ions cannot get through the cellular membrane unless there's a transporter that allows it to come in.

02:39:07.000 In fact, the way that they tested this in the paper is with an ionophore, which allows the zinc to come into the cell so they could see that the activity of this RNA-dependent RNA polymerase was reduced.

02:39:23.000 This is the paper.

02:39:24.000 Zinc inhibits coronavirus RNA polymerase activity in vitro, and zinc ionophores block the replication of these viruses in cell culture.

02:39:37.000 When they looked at the SARS-CoV virus, that was the one that was seen back in 2002, as the zinc concentration inside the cell went up, you can see that the byproduct of the RNA-dependent RNA polymerase went down,

02:39:52.000 down, down, clearly demonstrating that zinc intracellularly is going to block this very important enzyme of the virus.

02:40:03.000 Well, that's great.

02:40:03.000 We've got zinc that's going to block it.

02:40:06.000 But how are we going to get zinc inside the cell?

02:40:08.000 It's one thing to say that you're going to take zinc supplements.

02:40:12.000 But how do those zinc supplements, first of all, get absorbed into your body, into the blood, into the extracellular space?

02:40:19.000 And then finally, how are you going to get that zinc from the extracellular space into the intracellular space in the cytosol where it needs to work on these infected cells and these viral proteins?

02:40:30.000 Well, that's another thing altogether.

02:40:33.000 What you need is some sort of ionophore or some sort of gated mechanism to open and to allow that zinc to come into the cell, increasing the concentration of zinc into the cell so it can block RDRP. Well,

02:40:49.000 enter this paper that was pointed out by some of you commenting, chloroquine is a zinc ionophore.

02:40:56.000 This paper was published back in 2014, and the point of this paper was something completely different.

02:41:03.000 They weren't thinking about coronavirus.

02:41:05.000 They probably didn't even know, perhaps, that zinc blocked RNA-dependent RNA polymerase.

02:41:11.000 What they were looking at here is that zinc may help some of these cancer cells basically eat themselves in the lysosomes, which are sort of the trash compactors of the cell, and that by giving chloroquine, you could have these cancer cells disappear.

02:41:26.000 Well, in doing that research, they found out something that's very interesting to us because of that finding.

02:41:32.000 And this research came out of the University of Oklahoma and some institutions in China.

02:41:40.000 So this is what they used.

02:41:42.000 Chloroquine diphosphate.

02:41:44.000 Here's the structure of that compound.

02:41:46.000 And this chloroquine is a medication that has been around for decades that is used to treat malaria.

02:41:54.000 It's not under patent and it's pretty dirt cheap and widely available.

02:41:58.000 However, you do need a prescription to use this and it doesn't come without side effects.

02:42:04.000 What they show is that they were able to detect intracellular zinc by checking its fluorescence.

02:42:12.000 Here on the x-axis, we have increasing concentrations of chloroquine, and the white bars represents those cells that were bathed in only 5 micromolar solution of zinc chloride, and the black was in 10 times that amount at 50 micromolars concentration of zinc chloride.

02:42:32.000 And what you can see here is that in the normal situation, if you're able to get some zinc into the cells, this is the amount of zinc you will see inside the cells.

02:42:42.000 So this is the amount of concentration outside the cell.

02:42:45.000 This is the amount of zinc you see inside the cell.

02:42:48.000 And let's just look at this same concentration, 5 micromolar.

02:42:52.000 When you bathe the cells in chloroquine, you can see how much this intracellular zinc concentration goes up.

02:43:01.000 In fact, if you look at the amount of zinc inside the cell, by just adding a small amount of chloroquine here at 10 micromolar, we would get more zinc inside the cell than if we increase the concentration of zinc outside the cell tenfold.

02:43:16.000 That's how powerfully chloroquine will increase intracellular zinc concentration.

02:43:22.000 Now remember, this is chloroquine.

02:43:25.000 This is a medication that's been used by millions of people already with known side effects, and it's pretty well tolerated.

02:43:33.000 Here's another example from the article.

02:43:36.000 Here we have the control group, the five micromolar...

02:43:40.000 I think we get it.

02:43:41.000 Yeah.

02:43:43.000 That's how you roll jujitsu, is somebody who has COVID and you don't get it.

02:43:46.000 And you don't get it.

02:43:49.000 Completely makes sense.

02:43:50.000 Yeah.

02:43:50.000 And this is all science-based.

02:43:52.000 That also makes sense why people just taking hydroxychloroquine didn't have a positive reaction.

02:43:57.000 Correct.

02:43:58.000 Benefits.

02:43:58.000 Benefit.

02:43:59.000 Yeah.

02:43:59.000 With the virus.

02:44:01.000 Because there were studies that were saying, no, the stuff is not beneficial to people that are on COVID-19, that have COVID-19, rather.

02:44:08.000 Here's the zinger.

02:44:10.000 One-third.

02:44:11.000 Here's the zinger.

02:44:12.000 Zinger.

02:44:13.000 Zinger.

02:44:14.000 One-third of the world population are zinc deficient.

02:44:19.000 In our panel, we do intracellular zinc levels because it's important.

02:44:24.000 Anti-cancer, anti-viral, anti-dementia, anti-Alzheimer's helps the pancreas produce insulin, helps testicles produce sperm and testosterone.

02:44:32.000 It's often mixed with magnesium.

02:44:37.000 Why is that?

02:44:38.000 Oh, why they mixed the two?

02:44:40.000 Yeah.

02:44:41.000 I don't get any with magnesium, but magnesium is a positive ion.

02:44:45.000 ZMA? Yeah, ZMA. It has calcium, magnesium, and zinc in it.

02:44:50.000 I believe it's because they all are transported with inophore, and there's no inophore in it.

02:44:57.000 So it doesn't really work.

02:44:59.000 So what they just showed you is some will get in, but if you wanted, that was the far left bar, you know, like this.

02:45:06.000 Right.

02:45:07.000 And then you saw this peak when they had the chloroquine.

02:45:10.000 If you add green tea, curcumin, quercetin, bismuth, it'll help to increase the absorption of all of them.

02:45:18.000 But you'll get a degree of absorption, as you saw, very little.

02:45:22.000 So a lot of it's going down the toilet.

02:45:24.000 So turmeric, green tea, quercetin, something has to happen.

02:45:29.000 So when you're seeing these ZMA supplements or a zinc supplement, just taking a zinc supplement on its own is not really beneficial.

02:45:37.000 No.

02:45:38.000 You get...

02:45:40.000 A very small amount of absorption.

02:45:41.000 That's why there was a big difference between... 1.00

02:45:44.000 Well, it's also the problem is fucking Trump. 1.00

02:45:46.000 Because when he says something like he likes hydroxychloroquine, people are like, well, fuck that medication! 1.00

02:45:53.000 And then they're not paying attention anymore. 0.99

02:45:55.000 And on May the 3rd or May the 5th, when he was doing his Wednesday thing, he repeated...

02:46:01.000 What he was doing, and he said, and yes, zinc.

02:46:05.000 Three times he said zinc.

02:46:07.000 May the 3rd or 6th.

02:46:09.000 I was watching his discussion on virus.

02:46:14.000 So people were made aware that zinc...

02:46:17.000 He was made aware of how important zinc was.

02:46:19.000 But zinc without...

02:46:22.000 Hydroxychloroquine, bismuth, or inophore.

02:46:24.000 Without an inophore, what happens is you get a meager amount of absorption.

02:46:28.000 So radically reduced efficacy.

02:46:31.000 Correct.

02:46:31.000 Yeah.

02:46:31.000 And in something like ZMA, putting a little bit of quercetin in it or turmeric for all the benefits that are on turmeric would help their product in absorption.

02:46:40.000 So should someone take, whether it's turmeric or quercetin or whatever these things, you take them concurrently?

02:46:48.000 Correct.

02:46:49.000 Okay.

02:46:49.000 You take the zinc and, you know, turmeric or zinc as we do with the quercetin.

02:46:55.000 And if you, what is it, BrainCare 2 has EGCG in it.

02:47:00.000 So that's the green tea extract, EGCG. So it's a concentrate.

02:47:06.000 Well, I think overall this podcast has been very beneficial.

02:47:09.000 It certainly helped me a lot.

02:47:11.000 I understand a lot more of this zinc stuff and the quercetin and just so many different things.

02:47:17.000 And I'm so happy that the message is getting out there, that there is hope, that there is for all these veterans, all these people suffering from TBIs and a host of other issues, that there is some hope.

02:47:31.000 There's something you can do.

02:47:33.000 There's a lot of hope.

02:47:37.000 In April, was it?

02:47:39.000 In April, you were going to host at the American Legion in North Hollywood the launch of the Quiet Explosions.

02:47:47.000 Yeah, right before we got shut down.

02:47:48.000 Right before we got shut down.

02:47:50.000 And what happened was... 0.99

02:47:51.000 Andrew was like, fuck it, let's do it anyway. 1.00

02:47:54.000 I was like, oh no. 1.00

02:47:55.000 The night before they...

02:47:57.000 The night before they closed it, he calls me and says, we're doing this.

02:48:00.000 We're doing this.

02:48:01.000 I said, the government's not shutting us down.

02:48:02.000 Yeah, he's not shutting us down.

02:48:03.000 We're going there.

02:48:04.000 I said, but everybody's canceling their flights in because we had a lot of people.

02:48:07.000 But anyway, this plaque was the thought of all the guys, all the veterans, and also some civilians who...

02:48:18.000 Wouldn't have learned about what we're doing if it hadn't been for your generosity and keeping the word alive of what we're doing.

02:48:25.000 So this plaque from Andrew and I to you from all the guys that you saved their life.

02:48:30.000 Thank you.

02:48:31.000 Well, thank you.

02:48:33.000 It's my honor.

02:48:34.000 It's my pleasure.

02:48:35.000 I will continue to help as much as I can.

02:48:37.000 So whenever you need me, I'm here.

02:48:39.000 So whatever you guys need, we'll get this word out.

02:48:42.000 We'll get the word out whenever new information's coming out.

02:48:45.000 We'll have you guys back on again.

02:48:46.000 Hey, Joe, if I could.

02:48:48.000 Anybody who wants to visit our website who's interested in supporting our mission, it's waftbi.org.

02:48:55.000 And we're looking to do several of these projects that we talked about.

02:48:59.000 We're going to correct this issue in special operations.

02:49:02.000 We want to move into the homeless arena and incarcerated arena to bring this type of treatment there.

02:49:08.000 So we're looking for $1.5 million for these next projects.

02:49:11.000 So anybody who wants to get behind, they can get more information on our website.

02:49:14.000 I love the fact that you're trying to incorporate it into other communities as well.

02:49:18.000 Not just the veterans.

02:49:19.000 Yeah, we've proven it out.

02:49:20.000 The movie talks about broadening it to a much bigger issue.

02:49:24.000 And now we're ready to go.

02:49:25.000 We've proven it.

02:49:26.000 Now we're ready to go to the next and the next.

02:49:28.000 Keep doing it.

02:49:29.000 You guys are doing amazing work.

02:49:30.000 It's amazing.

02:49:32.000 Thank you.

02:49:33.000 Thanks for being here.

02:49:35.000 Again, I'm honored.

02:49:36.000 Thank you.

02:49:37.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 06, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1589 - Dr. Mark Gordon & Andrew Marr

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