The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1635 - Katie Spotz

00:00:14.000 Okay, hello Katie.

00:00:15.000 How are you?

00:00:16.000 What's happening?

00:00:18.000 Not much.

00:00:18.000 Not much at all?

00:00:19.000 This is very uneventful for you.

00:00:21.000 It's funny that you're nervous to do this, but yet you're not nervous to row a boat.

00:00:25.000 Well, you might have been nervous.

00:00:26.000 Were you nervous to row across the Atlantic?

00:00:28.000 I definitely was nervous, and I think that is a good thing to be able to channel that energy to make sure bad things don't happen, but that was definitely more my comfort zone than doing something like this.

00:00:41.000 Is that the craziest thing you've ever done, right?

00:00:44.000 I shouldn't say obviously.

00:00:46.000 Well I think that like the last endurance challenge it was like running 33 hours straight and I think that hit my physical limit more than the row did like after the row I felt like my body could probably continue going but it was just yeah more mentally challenging.

00:01:06.000 How did you get started doing these kind of things?

00:01:09.000 So I would definitely consider myself more like an accidental adventurer.

00:01:16.000 So I had to take a gym class to get my high school diploma.

00:01:23.000 And through process of elimination, I wanted to find like the easiest A because at that point I was like a bench warmer and I didn't really excel in those team sports.

00:01:37.000 The Easy A was a walking running class, and I signed up just trying to do the bare minimum, and it was during that class where I was like, okay, I'm already forced to be here.

00:01:50.000 I might as well try to run, and I set that target of running one mile straight.

00:01:55.000 And I never thought I could do that.

00:01:58.000 And so when I did run one mile straight, it was probably equivalent to people who run a marathon, you know?

00:02:06.000 Just feeling like really elated and that's the seed that planted all the adventures to come.

00:02:13.000 It's really just that one mile and realizing that I was limiting myself by what what I thought was possible and one mile turned into two, two into three and that was really how I did my first marathon and every every event was like started from really that place that one mile.

00:02:35.000 So you were sort of an athletic underachiever or a not interested in athletics person?

00:02:41.000 So, in middle school, I, like most people, did all the sports, all the team sports, and the focus was like, oh, hey, let's hang out, let's make friends.

00:02:51.000 And my priority was definitely just hanging out with friends.

00:02:55.000 I didn't have that competitive sense about it.

00:02:59.000 And once it got too competitive, I kind of checked out because I was like, why are you guys making a big deal about this?

00:03:07.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:03:08.000 Like...

00:03:10.000 You see it when the parents are more invested and you're like, settle down.

00:03:17.000 So when it became stressful and not fun, that's when I checked out and I didn't really have interest in that.

00:03:24.000 And so when it became my own, when it became something that was very internally driven and not...

00:03:33.000 Anything other than the pure curiosity.

00:03:36.000 I would say that people who do athletic things, they could be driven by many things.

00:03:44.000 And I would say at the core, one of the driving factors is just a kid-like wonder of, can I climb a tree?

00:03:51.000 Can I do this?

00:03:52.000 Can I do that?

00:03:53.000 And I think curiosity is very underrated in that it could really propel you to see what's possible.

00:04:02.000 Curiosity time and time and again has like brought me to do things that I never imagined doing.

00:04:09.000 Do you still think back to that first mile like completing that first mile and that elation the feeling of elation where you were like oh my god like a new doors opened.

00:04:20.000 All the time.

00:04:22.000 Like, some of my friends, now that, like, I'm more in ultra running, it's like, we'll hear ourselves.

00:04:30.000 I mean, I'm not exempt from this, but saying things like, oh, it's just a mile or just five mile or just a marathon or just whatever you want to adjust it.

00:04:38.000 But, like, I still don't feel like I've lost sight of that because, I mean, I know this is kind of harsh, but, like, sometimes I say to my friends, like, well, tell that to someone who can't walk. 0.85

00:04:49.000 Like, It really is worthy of celebrating every step, every mile.

00:04:55.000 And so, I mean, yeah, I think there's like...

00:05:02.000 It's just one achievement opens the door to other ones and so yeah I definitely don't feel like I've lost that sense and I think that's important to keep just so I don't know it keeps you in that humble state rather than expecting that just because you did it you can.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, it really is interesting how people are limited by their previous experiences and what they've sort of established as their boundaries.

00:05:30.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 And then you see them expand past those boundaries and it changes them.

00:05:35.000 Totally.

00:05:35.000 It changes who you are.

00:05:36.000 I mean, like, one of the things that I'll get now is, like...

00:05:40.000 Oh, I could never run a marathon.

00:05:42.000 And my first thing is like, oh, which ones have you tried?

00:05:46.000 And of course they're like, no, I've never tried.

00:05:48.000 And I'm like, well, there you go.

00:05:50.000 You actually have to try.

00:05:52.000 And if you haven't tried, then you really don't know if that's truthful that you can't run a marathon.

00:05:58.000 So, yeah, I think we get in our own ways more than than anything else.

00:06:04.000 And I'm not saying like you know there it was my first mile running was very like not graceful it was like basically I was like I want to get this over with as fast as possible so I was completely winded I didn't know how to pace myself and like I don't know the whole like reason behind it but it's like you have that metal mouth you know about that yeah it's like when something I don't do you know the science behind that

00:06:34.000 I don't.

00:06:35.000 But I know it's like there's like a metallic thing in your mouth.

00:06:38.000 Exactly.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, it almost tastes – and it's because like you're pushing almost like too hard and it's like bursting something in your lungs.

00:06:47.000 But yeah, so clearly – Really?

00:06:49.000 It's bursting something in your lungs?

00:06:50.000 I think so.

00:06:51.000 Maybe it's blood?

00:06:52.000 Yeah.

00:06:52.000 Because blood does have sort of a metallic copper-like taste to it?

00:06:55.000 Anyways, I didn't know how to pace myself because stuff like that would happen and be like, oh, okay.

00:07:02.000 So you went too hard too fast.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, and that's not what endurance is about, so...

00:07:06.000 No, it's about steady.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, totally.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, like understanding aerobic and anaerobic and just basically being able to talk the whole time.

00:07:16.000 Right.

00:07:17.000 So you start off with this first mile, and then you eventually work your way up to all these challenges.

00:07:23.000 Yes, yes.

00:07:24.000 And then eventually you decide, I am going to row across the Atlantic Ocean by myself.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, so, okay, so the row.

00:07:35.000 Yeah.

00:07:36.000 I was on a bus, right?

00:07:39.000 And I was like talking to someone sitting next to me.

00:07:42.000 And we were talking about endurance challenges.

00:07:45.000 And I was a stubborn know-it-all 19 year old.

00:07:50.000 So of course, I was like, Oh, I've heard it all.

00:07:53.000 I know people climb Mount Everest.

00:07:55.000 I know people sail around the world.

00:07:56.000 I know about all these things and Then he mentioned his friend rode across the Atlantic, and that was, like, that just stopped me in my tracks.

00:08:06.000 Like, what?

00:08:08.000 Like, people can do that?

00:08:09.000 Like, I never, it was so far beyond anything I ever imagined.

00:08:15.000 And, um...

00:08:17.000 I think, like, with endurance, what's so cool about endurance is, like, at a certain point, everyone's body hurts, right?

00:08:26.000 So what makes endurance, like, a really cool experience is seeing how the human will and how, like, determination, how a strong mind, like, it's a requirement because everyone, no matter how fast or slow you are, is going through that mental wall.

00:08:44.000 And so, yeah, I found out about ocean rowing, and I was really captivated not only by that mental component, because, like, if you do a marathon, you go home, you take your shower, you have people cheering you on,

00:09:01.000 but ocean rowing, you're stripped raw of that.

00:09:03.000 And something about that...

00:09:05.000 Was intriguing to me because it's like, okay, how can you dig deep internally when you don't have the, you know, the finish line, you know, whatever party and like the swag and the people and the nice cozy bed.

00:09:23.000 And I just kind of I liked that idea of like, being so stripped raw that you have to dig deeper than you ever would, if you didn't have all those other externals.

00:09:34.000 So yeah, I found out about it on a bus.

00:09:37.000 I went home and went and Googled everything I could about ocean rowing.

00:09:43.000 And it was at a time where I did my first ultramarathon.

00:09:48.000 So it was like a hundred kilometer run.

00:09:51.000 We're 62 miles.

00:09:53.000 And it was, again, one of those moments where I was like, I never thought I could do that.

00:09:57.000 And my body proved otherwise.

00:09:59.000 So what are all the other things that I'm saying I can't do, but maybe I can?

00:10:04.000 So it was really that information.

00:10:08.000 At that particular time, where I was really open to the idea of, wow, maybe it is possible, but it was a matter of researching everything.

00:10:19.000 It wasn't like, oh, I got to do this.

00:10:21.000 It was, oh, I got to find out everything.

00:10:23.000 Because, I mean, if someone told you someone rode across the Atlantic, wouldn't the first thing be like, is that really true?

00:10:30.000 So, I mean, that was the first place I looked.

00:10:34.000 Are people legitimately doing that?

00:10:36.000 How much time was it between you finding out about it and you actually doing it?

00:10:40.000 Two years.

00:10:41.000 That's not that long.

00:10:42.000 No.

00:10:44.000 What kind of training did you do?

00:10:47.000 So, like, physical training, like, compared to doing, like, I've trained for, like, Ironmans and then trained for adventures, like, purely physical to, like, these more adventure-type things.

00:11:02.000 And, like, training for an Ironman, 90% is, like, what you're doing in the gym.

00:11:08.000 For ocean rowing and for the more adventure-type athletic pursuits, I would say that 90% was the logistics.

00:11:19.000 You could be the most fit person in the world, but if you don't have a boat, what does it matter?

00:11:24.000 So I spent most of my time just sorting out through all the logistics, the sponsorship, getting the gear, training with the gear, but...

00:11:34.000 Yeah, like my training priorities for rowing and ocean were injury prevention.

00:11:40.000 So I did a lot with like strengthening my core and my lower back.

00:11:45.000 And then on the weekends is when I would do like a six to eight hour row, training row, just to get more, to get used to the boat and the equipment more than anything else.

00:11:54.000 And you would go on a lake?

00:11:56.000 Lake Erie, yeah.

00:11:57.000 Now, how fast do you go on this boat?

00:12:04.000 Maybe I would go like 30 miles a day?

00:12:07.000 No, no.

00:12:08.000 How fast per hour?

00:12:10.000 Two or three miles.

00:12:11.000 Two or three miles per hour.

00:12:13.000 So basically like the speed of walking.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, so my boat was a 19-foot rowboat.

00:12:21.000 It was like 400 pounds, but once it was fully loaded, it was a thousand pounds.

00:12:27.000 So it did have like a sliding seat.

00:12:31.000 Yes.

00:12:31.000 Okay, so...

00:12:34.000 I had a sliding seat, so that meant that, like, my legs and my back were the main source of, like, power, but I think the best, like...

00:12:46.000 You mean a sliding seat like a rowing machine?

00:12:48.000 Exactly.

00:12:49.000 So, like...

00:12:50.000 So that helps you?

00:12:51.000 It means that the power was coming from the most powerful parts of my body, not my arms.

00:12:56.000 So some people assume like, oh, it's just your upper body, it's just your arms.

00:13:00.000 But in fact, it's more your legs and back.

00:13:04.000 So this thing's going two or three miles an hour.

00:13:07.000 Correct.

00:13:07.000 And how many miles is the Atlantic Ocean?

00:13:09.000 How many miles across?

00:13:10.000 3,000.

00:13:11.000 Yeah, 3,000.

00:13:13.000 Jesus Christ.

00:13:14.000 Oh my God.

00:13:15.000 Don't think about it.

00:13:16.000 Just don't even think about it.

00:13:17.000 Oh my God, that's so far.

00:13:22.000 That's so far.

00:13:24.000 It was the worst reaching the halfway point just because like...

00:13:27.000 How long did it take you the whole trip?

00:13:29.000 70 days.

00:13:30.000 70 days.

00:13:31.000 That's not that bad when you think about it, how far you went.

00:13:35.000 Yeah, I would say so.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, I anticipated it would be 70 or 100 days.

00:13:40.000 Oh my god, that's a big gap.

00:13:41.000 I had 30 days of extra food.

00:13:45.000 Oh, that's good.

00:13:46.000 Yeah.

00:13:47.000 Was anybody monitoring you?

00:13:49.000 I had like a tracker so people could like look online and see where I was.

00:13:55.000 But there wasn't like a follow boat or anything like that.

00:13:59.000 Oof.

00:14:00.000 What are those nights like?

00:14:02.000 It was pretty amazing, yeah.

00:14:04.000 So of course the stars were amazing, like shooting stars and just like, yeah, breathtaking.

00:14:11.000 And then what surprised me, like I thought it was like, wait, is this real?

00:14:15.000 Am I hallucinating?

00:14:16.000 But I think the most stunning part was actually looking in the water because they had like this type of glowing plankton.

00:14:25.000 So it was like a phosphorescence.

00:14:27.000 Sometimes I would see things glowing in the distance, and then all around my boat, anytime my oar hit the water, I would see all of that.

00:14:37.000 Wow.

00:14:37.000 Yeah.

00:14:38.000 I was so busy planning the trip and the logistics that I didn't know what wildlife I'd see.

00:14:45.000 So that was definitely a pleasant surprise to see that.

00:14:49.000 That must have been really crazy.

00:14:50.000 Yeah.

00:14:51.000 Have you ever seen...

00:14:52.000 No.

00:14:52.000 No, I've seen it on video.

00:14:54.000 See if you can find a video of it.

00:14:55.000 What is it called?

00:14:56.000 It's bioluminescence, but there are, like, Puerto Rico is probably the closest place to here that has really good bioluminescence, too.

00:15:05.000 Like...

00:15:07.000 Yeah.

00:15:07.000 So it really looked like that?

00:15:09.000 Yeah, around my boat, yes.

00:15:11.000 That's amazing.

00:15:12.000 Very trippy.

00:15:14.000 That is so wild.

00:15:16.000 Wow, look at that.

00:15:16.000 So I could put my hand in the water and...

00:15:21.000 Did you take any photos or film anything?

00:15:22.000 I did have some film and...

00:15:26.000 Of this?

00:15:27.000 Sometimes I... No, like you can't really take good...

00:15:32.000 I mean, yeah, I didn't have really good...

00:15:37.000 Bioluminescence photos?

00:15:39.000 God, look at that shore.

00:15:40.000 That's insane.

00:15:42.000 Now, you said the stars.

00:15:45.000 The stars were amazing, yes.

00:15:47.000 Like, how amazing?

00:15:49.000 I mean...

00:15:50.000 There's no light pollution at all, right?

00:15:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:52.000 I mean, in some ways it felt like I was just, like, living this National Geographic experience of, like, you know, I had dolphins come right up to my boat.

00:16:02.000 Oh, really?

00:16:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:05.000 Like, I think it was, like, the fourth way mark.

00:16:08.000 I was like, I want to celebrate.

00:16:09.000 And my way of celebrating was very limited.

00:16:13.000 It was like, oh, am I going to have two Snickers bars?

00:16:16.000 Like...

00:16:17.000 There's not really anything other than what I had, but this pod of dolphins surrounded my boat and we're doing like flips and tricks.

00:16:25.000 Really?

00:16:26.000 Right at that moment that I was reaching it.

00:16:28.000 So yeah, the dolphins and sharks and birds and I even had like Fish following right underneath my boat like because barnacles would grow it was like I on on the side of my boat I would scrub them off but sometimes they would just keep following my boat so every time I I named them Ed Ed and Eddie but I had like three Dorados that would keep following and birds that came on my boat

00:16:58.000 and wow yeah I didn't think that there would be that many birds out there but I Yeah, how are they getting out there?

00:17:05.000 I don't know.

00:17:06.000 I didn't ask.

00:17:07.000 I think some birds can actually fly right across the ocean.

00:17:10.000 Yeah.

00:17:11.000 Which is pretty amazing.

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:14.000 So the Dorado, that's a dolphin fish, right?

00:17:16.000 Uh-huh.

00:17:17.000 They were hanging out under your boat?

00:17:19.000 Yeah.

00:17:19.000 Those are delicious.

00:17:20.000 Yes.

00:17:20.000 That's a mahi-mahi.

00:17:21.000 Yep.

00:17:22.000 And then I had a lot of flying fish.

00:17:25.000 That was another unexpected thing, like to constantly be hit by them.

00:17:29.000 Oh really?

00:17:30.000 Especially like morning and like, yeah.

00:17:33.000 Did they wind up inside your boat?

00:17:35.000 You had to chuck them back in?

00:17:37.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

00:17:37.000 And I would wake up just because they would fly into the cabin and like, yeah.

00:17:42.000 Flying fish.

00:17:43.000 Wow.

00:17:45.000 Have you seen flying fish?

00:17:46.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, I've seen them in the wild.

00:17:48.000 It's kind of cool.

00:17:48.000 It's really cool.

00:17:50.000 What did you eat?

00:17:52.000 So everything had to be light just because I was pushing it.

00:17:57.000 So I had like freeze-dried meals, which aren't like the MREs that have liquid in it.

00:18:05.000 So I had a desalinator, so I would convert the salt water into drinking water.

00:18:10.000 Really?

00:18:10.000 Yeah, which is crazy because I was doing that journey to raise money for clean water, and yet I had a better source of water than a billion people, so that was just like, yeah.

00:18:24.000 So this desalinator, I did not know that they had a portable desalinator that's that small.

00:18:30.000 So I had the main desalinator, which works by reverse osmosis, and there were two solar panels that powered all the electronics.

00:18:39.000 And I had a handheld one, which fortunately I didn't have to use that, but that would take two hours to pump the water that I'd need.

00:18:48.000 For the whole day?

00:18:49.000 Correct.

00:18:50.000 And then as my third option, I did also have ballast water that I could refill with salt water.

00:18:57.000 So it would help maintain the self-riding capability because that was another thing.

00:19:02.000 This rowboat wasn't like something you could get in Dick's Sporting Good.

00:19:05.000 It was like self-riding.

00:19:07.000 So that meant that even if I had big waves that it could flip and it would flip back over again because of the design of the boat.

00:19:14.000 And then the ballast water helped with that self-riding capability.

00:19:17.000 So your ballast water was fresh water just in case of a chance that you needed water, you can get that and replace it with salt water.

00:19:23.000 And then like the last week of my journey, I started just using the ballast water because it was easier and I knew I was about to finish.

00:19:30.000 When you say you replace it with salt water, did you have containers that you would take the ballast water out and put it into some sort of a drinkable container?

00:19:41.000 Yes.

00:19:42.000 Because you would have to get it all out and then put the salt water.

00:19:46.000 You can't mix it, right?

00:19:47.000 Correct.

00:19:47.000 So I had my own like water containers, but they were in these like, I think it was like a platypus type water containers.

00:19:55.000 So, yeah.

00:19:57.000 So who planned this stuff out for you as far as the construction of the boat and the ballast water and all that jazz?

00:20:04.000 Did you have to design all this yourself?

00:20:06.000 So I was fortunate because I was able to buy it used.

00:20:13.000 So there was another...

00:20:14.000 Somebody quit?

00:20:16.000 No, but he made it.

00:20:20.000 His name's Paul Ridley and he did it a year before me.

00:20:24.000 Oh, so he actually did it.

00:20:26.000 How many people have done it?

00:20:27.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:20:31.000 I know there's more people that have been to the moon.

00:20:34.000 Really?

00:20:37.000 There's not a lot of Americans.

00:20:38.000 Most of the ocean rowers are from the UK. But for solos, I don't know, a few hundred.

00:20:49.000 Wow.

00:20:51.000 Wait a minute.

00:20:52.000 A few hundred people have been to the moon.

00:20:56.000 450?

00:20:57.000 To the moon?

00:20:58.000 No.

00:20:58.000 In space.

00:21:00.000 Oh.

00:21:01.000 Yeah.

00:21:01.000 I know there's not a lot.

00:21:02.000 It's a small handful that have been to the moon.

00:21:05.000 Allegedly.

00:21:08.000 Are you next?

00:21:12.000 Now, when you're getting this from this guy who's done it, did he look at you and go, Katie, don't I think he was so excited to have someone lined up to buy it because there's not many people who want to buy it.

00:21:25.000 Imagine you put that on eBay! 0.97

00:21:29.000 Hey, who wants to go across the fucking ocean by yourself? 0.99

00:21:32.000 I did it. 0.99

00:21:33.000 Want to buy my boat?

00:21:34.000 You'd have to be a fan of his, maybe.

00:21:36.000 Would you ever row across an ocean?

00:21:37.000 No, I would not, Katie.

00:21:38.000 Are you sure?

00:21:39.000 Thank you for asking.

00:21:40.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:40.000 No, I don't have that kind of time.

00:21:42.000 Oh.

00:21:43.000 But there's, like, you have your whole life in front of you.

00:21:48.000 Hmm.

00:21:49.000 No?

00:21:50.000 No.

00:21:51.000 What's one thing that you do want to do before?

00:21:54.000 That's not appealing to me.

00:21:56.000 People like you are appealing to me.

00:21:58.000 People that do things like that.

00:21:59.000 You're very appealing.

00:22:00.000 I like talking to you.

00:22:01.000 I don't want to do it.

00:22:02.000 I get it.

00:22:03.000 I know it's got to be mind-bending and very, very difficult.

00:22:08.000 I'm very aware of that.

00:22:10.000 That's an enormous amount of time.

00:22:12.000 70 days?

00:22:13.000 I have three jobs.

00:22:15.000 I have no desire to take 70 days off of any of them.

00:22:18.000 Okay.

00:22:19.000 Alright.

00:22:20.000 But I get it.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:25.000 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 I mean, yeah.

00:22:27.000 I guess that makes sense.

00:22:28.000 But you, you're interesting because when you said that to me, would you do it, and all of a sudden you're like probing.

00:22:36.000 You're like looking into my brain.

00:22:37.000 You wanted to see what's going on in my soul.

00:22:39.000 I could tell.

00:22:41.000 You're like, would you do it?

00:22:43.000 Maybe you're a quitter.

00:22:45.000 No, it's just like...

00:22:47.000 Maybe you wouldn't do it because you don't have the courage.

00:22:50.000 That is definitely not true because most people who do want to do these things, do you know what the limiting factor is?

00:22:56.000 What?

00:22:56.000 The perceived limiting factor because there's always a way or there's always...

00:23:02.000 A limit, right?

00:23:03.000 So money can be a limiting factor for a lot of adventurous things.

00:23:08.000 And I hope that when people see some of the things I've done, they are encouraged to know you can do things on a shoestring.

00:23:17.000 You don't have to, you know, but that's just, yeah.

00:23:22.000 Well, there's also taking 70 days off work.

00:23:25.000 That's very difficult for a lot of people to pull off.

00:23:27.000 That's true.

00:23:28.000 It's hard for people to get a week off work.

00:23:30.000 Yeah, but you could look at it a different way.

00:23:32.000 How old are you, Katie?

00:23:33.000 33. How old were you when you did it?

00:23:36.000 22. So when you were young, what were you doing for a job when you did this?

00:23:43.000 So I just graduated from college and I was working for a non-profit for a year beforehand.

00:23:50.000 So I was planning this during my senior year.

00:23:52.000 So did you stack some money aside?

00:23:55.000 So there's no way I would have been able to do it without sponsors.

00:23:58.000 So there were some Cleveland companies that were able to partner up.

00:24:04.000 The purpose behind it, there's definitely a purpose behind why I do what I do, and that's always been water.

00:24:11.000 And so there were also some companies that shared the vision and passion that, you know, everyone on our planet should have clean water and there's ways to do that.

00:24:23.000 So, yeah.

00:24:25.000 We do some work with Fight for the Forgotten.

00:24:27.000 It's my friend Justin Wren's organization.

00:24:29.000 Do you know where they are?

00:24:30.000 They build wells for the pygmies. 1.00

00:24:31.000 Yeah, he's a pretty amazing guy.

00:24:35.000 He's been going over there for years, and he spends months every year over there in Africa building wells.

00:24:42.000 And he's immeasurably helped the lives of countless people over there.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:24:47.000 It's just something that we just take for granted.

00:24:49.000 Like, here, water.

00:24:51.000 It's right there on the table.

00:24:52.000 You might drink it, you might not.

00:24:53.000 We might throw it in the sink.

00:24:55.000 Yeah, yeah, I... I mean, that is one thing that is very universal.

00:25:02.000 It's crazy that some people don't even drink it.

00:25:04.000 You know John Daly, the golfer?

00:25:06.000 I was watching an interview.

00:25:08.000 You know who he is?

00:25:09.000 I don't golf, but he's a famous golfer.

00:25:12.000 Famous for being a guy who just gets hammered all the time.

00:25:15.000 He smokes cigarettes, but he's a really good golfer. 0.93

00:25:17.000 Just a big, fat guy who doesn't take care of himself. 0.60

00:25:20.000 But he does not drink any water at all. 0.83

00:25:23.000 And they did an interview with him, and they said, how much Diet Coke do you drink a day?

00:25:29.000 And he said, somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 large Diet Cokes a day.

00:25:35.000 So he goes to McDonald's, and he gets those extra large things at Diet Coke.

00:25:40.000 He says, McDonald's has the best fountain drinks.

00:25:43.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 But he says he hates water.

00:25:46.000 He doesn't drink any water.

00:25:48.000 I'm like, wow.

00:25:49.000 If you're thirsty, what is it?

00:25:53.000 26 to 28 cans of Diet Coke a day.

00:25:56.000 Now I have 10 to 12 at most.

00:25:58.000 I only smoke two packs of cigarettes a day, not three, so I'll be alright.

00:26:04.000 17 terrible pieces of health advice from John Daly.

00:26:08.000 He's quite a character.

00:26:10.000 Like, what about his teeth?

00:26:12.000 His teeth can't be good.

00:26:13.000 Oh, well, I don't know.

00:26:14.000 It's a good question.

00:26:15.000 Look, he's out there with a cigarette in his mouth.

00:26:17.000 Look at his stomach.

00:26:18.000 Dentist.

00:26:20.000 1991 to 2017. He's fat now, but still a really good golfer.

00:26:26.000 Golf is such a strange game.

00:26:28.000 You can make a living as an athlete and not even be remotely athletic or in shape or even healthy.

00:26:34.000 You just have to be able to do a few moves.

00:26:36.000 Yeah, there's some sports you can get away with.

00:26:38.000 Not rowing across the ocean, Katie.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, well...

00:26:41.000 How many cigarettes did you smoke while you were rowing across the ocean?

00:26:44.000 I definitely did not smoke any cigarettes.

00:26:48.000 But water.

00:26:49.000 So water is...

00:26:51.000 Water, yes.

00:26:51.000 That's what you were doing it for.

00:26:53.000 Yeah.

00:26:53.000 You were doing it to raise money.

00:26:55.000 Correct, yep.

00:26:56.000 What's the organization?

00:26:58.000 Right now I'm working with an organization called H20 for Life, and they partner with schools here in the United States to help schools get clean water all around the world.

00:27:09.000 And what's also really cool about them is they create service learning opportunities for schools here.

00:27:17.000 And I think that, you know, sometimes when I'm involved with clean water, it's like, well, what are you doing here?

00:27:24.000 And H2O for Life does do things here to help kids feel part of something bigger, to help kids develop empathy and concern and care for other people.

00:27:35.000 So I think what they do is pretty unique in that they can both help others outside the United States and both help fill that need for kids here to feel part of something.

00:27:47.000 So the row raised $150,000 for water projects.

00:27:52.000 And then through all the different adventures, it's been about $400,000.

00:27:56.000 That's awesome.

00:27:57.000 Yeah.

00:27:57.000 It is really cool to, like, see the impact.

00:28:01.000 And I keep tabs on the different projects.

00:28:05.000 And right now it's 20,000 people that have gotten clean water through water.

00:28:11.000 Adventures.

00:28:12.000 And yeah, I mean, it really doesn't take much to help with clean water.

00:28:19.000 And yeah, you could support, I mean, there's so many great causes to get behind.

00:28:28.000 What's also encouraging about clean water is there are solutions.

00:28:33.000 It's not this unknown.

00:28:34.000 It's not this We're putting money into research to figure out if it will work.

00:28:40.000 There are wells, boreholes, rainwater harvesting.

00:28:44.000 There's so many different solutions tailored to the communities that work.

00:28:52.000 So what made it, like when you were thinking about doing this, what made Clean Water, what made that the thing that you chose to have as your main charitable organization?

00:29:02.000 So I was living in Australia and they were experiencing a pretty significant drought.

00:29:10.000 And Australia is very developed and to see the major headlines, to see the rules like Oh, you can't water your grass right now.

00:29:21.000 You can't wash your car right now.

00:29:23.000 And just to see that happening and somewhere so developed, it had it in the back of my mind.

00:29:28.000 Like, wow, water isn't something that should be taken for granted and it isn't just this unlimited resource.

00:29:35.000 And so I was studying environmental science and I remember one of my professors mentioned that the wars of the future would be on water.

00:29:44.000 And in some countries it's already the case.

00:29:47.000 To me, that was kind of like that one sentence that I couldn't unlearn, I couldn't stop thinking about.

00:29:53.000 And it just hit me at a core of like, that is so wrong.

00:30:00.000 And I, yeah, I was 19 or 20. And at that point, I felt like I had like a little bit because of traveling, like I had a little bit of a sense of what was going on in the world.

00:30:13.000 But to know at that point one in six people didn't have clean water, I was like, wow, I didn't even know about one-sixth of our planet and what their daily struggle is.

00:30:25.000 The fact that it's a problem that has a solution and it's something that...

00:30:32.000 Like, I don't know what cause could have as big an impact as water because you think, like, okay, what can you live without?

00:30:43.000 You can't even survive three days without water.

00:30:50.000 And just, like, thinking about health, half of the hospital beds are filled because of unsafe drinking water.

00:30:55.000 If you think about environment, if you think about education.

00:30:59.000 Half of the hospital beds in the world?

00:31:01.000 Is that what you mean?

00:31:02.000 Really?

00:31:03.000 Half?

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:06.000 For children in the world, the greatest killer is diarrheal disease, and that is because of unsafe drinking water.

00:31:18.000 There's this documentary that came out within the last year called, I think it's Brave Blue World, and Matt Damon shared something at the beginning about, like, imagine that right now we find the cure for all childhood cancers.

00:31:35.000 And then imagine in 50 years from now, these kids are still dying from this very cancer that we have a cure for, and that is what's happening with clean water.

00:31:45.000 I mean, if you, it just, I don't know, it still boils my blood just like thinking about like how wrong it is.

00:31:53.000 And when you see how wrong it is, I mean, I feel like of course I would want to support that and do something.

00:32:03.000 When I first started learning about it, the first water project I was able to fund was in Haiti, and I was learning about how some places they don't even give their kids a name until they're five years old because...

00:32:21.000 Okay, so who's affected by the water crisis?

00:32:23.000 Women and children. 0.54

00:32:24.000 Children, their bodies aren't strong enough to withstand and to fight back all the bacteria and viruses and all the things.

00:32:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:36.000 So they won't even give their kids names until they think they'll be able to live.

00:32:43.000 Right?

00:32:43.000 So, like, just thinking about that is, like, these are real people.

00:32:48.000 Like, these are, I don't know.

00:32:50.000 The real people today.

00:32:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:52.000 This is not real people 5,000 years ago.

00:32:54.000 And, like, just the idea of not even giving your child a name because of that fear of, like, they might not even live, so you don't even want to get, like...

00:33:03.000 My friend Lex, Lex Friedman, he's a scientist that works with artificial intelligence.

00:33:08.000 He posted something on his Instagram yesterday.

00:33:12.000 It's a crazy statistic about children and infant mortality from, I believe it was 200 years ago.

00:33:21.000 Look at this.

00:33:23.000 In 1,800, 43% died before the age of 5. Today it's 4%.

00:33:30.000 Just imagine that.

00:33:31.000 And that was all over the world.

00:33:33.000 43%.

00:33:34.000 But that's not the case everywhere.

00:33:39.000 Obviously.

00:33:40.000 If you're not naming your kids, that's probably where the gap is.

00:33:45.000 Because it's not 5% of American children die before that age.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 So, yeah, water has always been something that has given me hope, just seeing that there's definitely real changes possible.

00:34:03.000 It also seems like it's financially possible.

00:34:06.000 You're not talking about giving everybody diamonds.

00:34:08.000 Correct.

00:34:09.000 I mean, with these water projects, it's not just clean water.

00:34:15.000 That's the pretty part.

00:34:17.000 But they also need latrines. 1.00

00:34:21.000 And so most of these charities that are working to solve the water crisis are not just They're doing sanitation and hygiene education.

00:34:31.000 So on average, it depends.

00:34:35.000 Rainwater harvesting is a lot cheaper than building wells.

00:34:39.000 But on average, it's like $50 for one person to get clean water.

00:34:44.000 For their life?

00:34:46.000 Depending.

00:34:48.000 It's hard to...

00:34:49.000 At least 10 years, though, for most of the water projects.

00:34:54.000 God, that seems like a hurdle that's so easy to get over.

00:34:57.000 Correct.

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 There's just not a financial incentive for people to do it.

00:35:03.000 That's what it is.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like, it's not because there's a lack, like, the solution is there.

00:35:11.000 It's just, like, the motivation to, you know, put resources and energy towards it.

00:35:17.000 But I've definitely felt very encouraged just seeing how many people have been supportive.

00:35:25.000 And, yeah, I mean, just...

00:35:31.000 Yeah, you could say, like, I raised this much, but truthfully, it's I witnessed the generosity of others who believed in a similar thing that I did.

00:35:41.000 When you say that, obviously, children, but why are women more affected by it than men?

00:35:46.000 Because it's their responsibility to go and collect the water.

00:35:50.000 So on average, it's like four miles every single day that they have to go.

00:35:54.000 And it's not just the fact that it's a long walk, but when you're coming back, you're carrying the jerry cans, which could be 40 pounds.

00:36:02.000 It could also be dangerous.

00:36:03.000 They could be attacked.

00:36:04.000 There could be wild animals.

00:36:05.000 So they are the ones who are responsible for collecting it.

00:36:11.000 And the men are out hunting or something?

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 And also like for females, if there aren't any like latrines, like once they hit puberty and they're having their menstrual cycle, they will just not go to school anymore because they don't have a way to, 1.00

00:36:32.000 you know, take care of themselves.

00:36:34.000 So women and children are definitely the ones who are affected the most.

00:36:41.000 Well, all in all, it's poor people.

00:36:45.000 And this organization has been around for how long doing this?

00:36:50.000 H2O for Life, over a decade, yeah.

00:36:55.000 So they have partners in the field building all the different projects and there's been maybe 40 or 50 projects that were funded through all the different adventures and then I have been able to visit some of them in Kenya and South Africa after the fact,

00:37:15.000 after the projects were built and yeah.

00:37:19.000 How do you get connected with them and how does it work?

00:37:24.000 Do your sponsors pay X amount per what happens when you complete this?

00:37:30.000 How does that work?

00:37:32.000 So for The Row, there were corporate sponsors that helped pay for the cost of the event.

00:37:38.000 And then I did things like sponsor a mile.

00:37:42.000 Sometimes I'll do work with Rotary Clubs.

00:37:45.000 They've been super supportive and a good partner on hosting different events.

00:37:49.000 I don't even know what a Rotary Club is, but I know that word.

00:37:51.000 Okay, so there's 30,000 Rotary Clubs all around the world.

00:37:55.000 What's a Rotary Club?

00:37:57.000 My dad used to be in one, but it's like a group of guys that meets and hangs.

00:38:01.000 It doesn't have to be guys.

00:38:02.000 It's a group of people that meets, have lunch, talk about business sort of stuff.

00:38:05.000 That's what it is.

00:38:06.000 In a neighborhood sort of like community.

00:38:08.000 Until this moment in my life, I've never even thought, what's a Rotary Club?

00:38:12.000 Oh, well, let me tell you.

00:38:14.000 Yeah, she knows more probably than...

00:38:16.000 So, Rotary Clubs, you probably have seen their signs like, oh, we're meeting every Tuesday at 8. So it's usually like leaders in the community get together once a week and they do local and global service projects.

00:38:31.000 So it's a service organization.

00:38:36.000 So there's your local one, then there's districts, and then they meet for like global conferences.

00:38:42.000 But basically, yeah, their focus is how can we make our community better locally and globally.

00:38:48.000 And so we've partnered on different like fundraisers and And then, so there's partnering with schools, partnering with Rotary Clubs, and then part of like whenever I do speaking, I do it in return for donations to the cause.

00:39:04.000 And then finally, some corporate sponsors will do like a matching fund challenge.

00:39:10.000 So whatever other individuals raise, they'll match that.

00:39:14.000 So it's definitely like...

00:39:18.000 Seeing who's interested and who's also passionate about it, but there's definitely never been like this is how it's always been.

00:39:26.000 It's kind of working with what interests of others that also want to do something.

00:39:35.000 So you had a series of sponsors and you have a series of sponsors for all your adventures.

00:39:40.000 Usually, yes.

00:39:42.000 Some of my smaller adventures were more on a shoestring.

00:39:49.000 How do you go about acquiring these sponsors?

00:39:54.000 So, a lot, like, because, especially for my first adventures, I didn't, that wasn't my network.

00:40:03.000 It was a lot of, like, cold, cold calling and just looking for companies that I thought would also share that, the same vision.

00:40:13.000 But, Yeah, really just sending emails or asking to set up meetings.

00:40:23.000 So you do it all yourself?

00:40:25.000 I do, but of course no one ever does anything by themselves.

00:40:30.000 Everyone's always supported.

00:40:32.000 Sure, sure.

00:40:33.000 But no, I don't have an agent or anything like that.

00:40:38.000 Seems like you should.

00:40:41.000 I mean, maybe.

00:40:43.000 I don't know.

00:40:44.000 But it seems like these things that you're doing, especially the rowing across the ocean, it's pretty high profile, right?

00:40:51.000 It feels like someone can get involved and sort of boost your signal.

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:40:56.000 I mean, I'm open.

00:40:58.000 I don't know.

00:40:59.000 Are you going to do something else crazy?

00:41:01.000 Um, I definitely feel called to do like, so with ocean rowing, most people go from like one island to another because you're right within the trade winds.

00:41:16.000 So it takes about 100 miles offshore until you're right in those trade winds.

00:41:22.000 And so I was very intentional about the row in going mainland to mainland.

00:41:28.000 And the reason behind that is just because I've always thought it would be so cool to go around the whole world by human power.

00:41:39.000 And when that idea came or whatever, I basically said, okay, so what's the hardest part?

00:41:48.000 What's the part you're most likely to fail?

00:41:49.000 And if you're going around the whole world...

00:41:52.000 The row is the part that you're most likely to fail.

00:41:55.000 Half of the people do.

00:41:57.000 And it's the most expensive.

00:41:58.000 And I would never want to go on this around the world trip and then fail at the last leg.

00:42:05.000 And so that was always the original vision of just like, Going completely around the world by human power.

00:42:16.000 And I think realistically it would be done in legs.

00:42:20.000 So I would like to do the next leg, which would be cycling from where I landed in South America.

00:42:28.000 So I landed in Georgetown, Guyana.

00:42:31.000 And then cycling from South America to North America.

00:42:35.000 And that would take probably about a year.

00:42:38.000 But yeah, so that was always like something.

00:42:42.000 But it's not, the reason I haven't done it is because I have a lot of other things that I've done and am doing that I'm interested in.

00:42:52.000 And I always thought a journey like that is something that you could do much older.

00:43:02.000 Because there's a certain kind of fitness you need for an Ironman versus cycle touring.

00:43:08.000 You really...

00:43:10.000 You're not racing.

00:43:11.000 Correct.

00:43:12.000 And I kind of wanted my 20s to be more racing and more pushing.

00:43:18.000 I really enjoyed doing Ironman after Ironman after Ironman and just feeling fast.

00:43:25.000 And the more I do endurance, the...

00:43:29.000 I'm losing that speed.

00:43:31.000 And so it's kind of like a balance.

00:43:35.000 And so I, yeah, I think the around the world trip certainly would be something I'd love to explore doing.

00:43:42.000 I am also aware that like, for endurance, being in my 30s is probably the best for recovery.

00:43:50.000 So although I think people could cycle around the world in their 60s and 70s, I think I would enjoy it more now just because of that ability to recover and like sleeping in a tent and dealing with all like the climate and just kind of living wild like that.

00:44:10.000 Yeah, that would be one of the challenges that I could see pursuing probably in legs rather than just doing the whole thing because it would be like three years.

00:44:22.000 Now when you think about doing something like that, do you get concerned about your safety?

00:44:27.000 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:44:29.000 Of course.

00:44:31.000 I don't do these things because I don't have concern.

00:44:37.000 I definitely was concerned about the ocean and I think that's why I spent so much time researching it and asking all those questions and looking at what were the backups.

00:44:48.000 I definitely took it very seriously and took those risks very seriously, but I don't know, like...

00:44:56.000 Did you encounter any hairy moments while you were out there?

00:44:58.000 Yeah, I had like 30 foot waves at... 0.99

00:45:02.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:45:03.000 Yes, but... 0.99

00:45:04.000 30 feet is a lot.

00:45:06.000 Yes, it is.

00:45:07.000 What's this roof?

00:45:08.000 Maybe...

00:45:08.000 Maybe 10. 10?

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.000 Maybe.

00:45:11.000 10. Okay.

00:45:12.000 Three times the size of this roof.

00:45:14.000 But let me... 1.00

00:45:15.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:45:16.000 Okay, but here's the thing about that... 1.00

00:45:20.000 You're in a little rowboat.

00:45:22.000 30-foot waves is crazy.

00:45:23.000 These boats are designed for it.

00:45:25.000 I understand.

00:45:25.000 So it's kind of like, what's the point of having this fancy boat if you don't get to see the full possibilities and capabilities of it?

00:45:33.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:45:37.000 I could have been in a rinky-dink kayak at that point if I didn't.

00:45:43.000 So when you row an ocean, you're not like, hey, what's...

00:45:47.000 Hurricane season, let's go.

00:45:49.000 I wasn't out there when...

00:45:52.000 So I worked with a weather guy, and we knew that it could be like that, so I had a backup place.

00:46:00.000 So here's what happened.

00:46:02.000 I was about to land.

00:46:03.000 I had these big waves.

00:46:05.000 And then I was like, oh no.

00:46:06.000 You're about to land.

00:46:07.000 So is it the end?

00:46:07.000 Yeah, correct.

00:46:08.000 And it's known because it's like the continental shelf.

00:46:11.000 So it jumps from being thousands of feet deep to pretty shallow.

00:46:16.000 So it's known to have these like waves and winds and it's just known for that kind of thing.

00:46:24.000 I had an option of landing there, but I would need a boat to tow me in because I could crash into cliffs or crash into something because it's so impossible to be precise when you have those big waves.

00:46:38.000 So that's where the detour happened.

00:46:41.000 So I ended up two countries west of my original destination because I didn't want to tow. 0.86

00:46:48.000 Like, how terrible would that be?

00:46:50.000 That would have sucked. 0.90

00:46:51.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:46:51.000 Like, oh, here I did it. 0.89

00:46:52.000 If you didn't have to get towed, would you go back and do it again?

00:46:56.000 You might have to, right?

00:46:57.000 I don't know.

00:46:58.000 I don't even want to think about that.

00:46:59.000 Like, so that's, yeah.

00:47:01.000 I mean, that's not solo.

00:47:04.000 You got that?

00:47:05.000 No.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, see, I think you'd do it again.

00:47:08.000 Or I would just go from where they picked me up.

00:47:13.000 Hmm, that seems lame.

00:47:14.000 I know, but...

00:47:16.000 It doesn't seem...

00:47:18.000 Says me, a guy who's not even willing to go across a lake.

00:47:20.000 Don't listen to me.

00:47:22.000 Maybe someday.

00:47:23.000 You never know.

00:47:24.000 Maybe not.

00:47:25.000 How about that?

00:47:25.000 Okay.

00:47:29.000 How many Iron Men have you done?

00:47:31.000 Five.

00:47:32.000 Does it bother you it's an Iron Man, not an Iron person?

00:47:35.000 No, it doesn't.

00:47:36.000 Why is it Iron Man if you're doing it?

00:47:38.000 I don't know.

00:47:39.000 It seems weird.

00:47:40.000 You should ask them.

00:47:40.000 I don't know.

00:47:41.000 It seems kind of weird.

00:47:42.000 Yeah.

00:47:42.000 And I'm not even one of those people.

00:47:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:44.000 You know, that complains about that kind of shit? 1.00

00:47:46.000 But why does it have to be Iron Man if, like, all sexists can do it? 1.00

00:47:50.000 I don't know, but, like...

00:47:53.000 What if you're asexual?

00:47:55.000 I don't know. 0.95

00:47:55.000 What if you're like a zur? 0.95

00:47:57.000 And you're like, I'm just an iron thing.

00:47:59.000 I'm an iron they.

00:48:01.000 Why don't they just call it iron they? 0.84

00:48:04.000 No, doesn't sound good.

00:48:07.000 It's a problem, right?

00:48:09.000 If you're a woman, like if I was a guy and I was competing in an iron woman championship, I'm like, yeah, I took third place in iron woman.

00:48:15.000 They'd be like, why are you in a woman's contest? 1.00

00:48:18.000 Well, it's open for everybody.

00:48:19.000 They just call it iron woman. 1.00

00:48:21.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

00:48:23.000 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00

00:48:24.000 Right?

00:48:25.000 Wouldn't you?

00:48:26.000 I don't make these rules.

00:48:26.000 Now that you're thinking about it.

00:48:27.000 Someone should start attacking them on Twitter and they would change their name.

00:48:31.000 It's possible.

00:48:34.000 Well, they're changing so many names because of social justice warriors attacking people.

00:48:40.000 There was a recent one that they're changing the word man.

00:48:46.000 They're taking the word man out of something. 0.99

00:48:48.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:48:49.000 I forget what it is. 0.99

00:48:49.000 I mean, what would we have to call it so we would call it... 0.99

00:48:53.000 It's not Iron Man or what?

00:48:54.000 Iron Human.

00:48:55.000 Oh, okay.

00:48:56.000 What's wrong with Iron Human?

00:48:57.000 That has man in it, too, by the way.

00:49:00.000 Because it doesn't sound...

00:49:03.000 It's good?

00:49:04.000 No.

00:49:05.000 Why?

00:49:05.000 It sounds dope.

00:49:06.000 I like it better.

00:49:07.000 It's not as punchy.

00:49:09.000 Oh.

00:49:09.000 Iron Man's more punchy?

00:49:11.000 I don't know.

00:49:11.000 Like, sometimes when things are shorter.

00:49:13.000 Hmm.

00:49:13.000 I get it.

00:49:15.000 I get it.

00:49:16.000 Yeah, still.

00:49:17.000 I mean, there's things in this world that are definitely worth changing, and I would like to focus on water.

00:49:24.000 But if you want to take that one up, I'll focus on water, you focus on that one.

00:49:28.000 I'm going to row across the ocean to get rid of the name of Iron Man, change it to Iron Human.

00:49:33.000 No.

00:49:35.000 Just saying.

00:49:36.000 Yeah.

00:49:37.000 How many have you done?

00:49:38.000 Five.

00:49:38.000 Wow.

00:49:39.000 You know they make them longer, too.

00:49:41.000 There's like...

00:49:43.000 They, like, make them, I think, three times as long.

00:49:47.000 Oh, really?

00:49:47.000 Yeah.

00:49:48.000 That's a thing. 0.97

00:49:49.000 That's ridiculous. 0.92

00:49:50.000 Yeah. 0.82

00:49:52.000 The longest I've, like, biked once was, like, 375 miles in 24 hours.

00:49:57.000 Woo! 0.99

00:49:57.000 And the longest I've run is 138, and I think that's it. 0.99

00:50:01.000 Like, I don't think I would like to go any further.

00:50:04.000 My buddy Cam, he does a lot of them, Cam Haynes, he's done the Moab 240 and the Bigfoot, whatever it is, Bigfoot 2, it's like 205 or something like that.

00:50:13.000 Yeah.

00:50:13.000 The Moab 240 is a three-day.

00:50:15.000 Yes.

00:50:16.000 Three-day jam.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 And they're trying to do something even crazier.

00:50:20.000 Yeah, they, I believe it.

00:50:22.000 Wow.

00:50:23.000 I mean, I have seen like 200 as the new 100. Yeah, these people are out of their fucking minds. 1.00

00:50:28.000 I mean. 1.00

00:50:29.000 He's got his son doing it now. 0.96

00:50:33.000 Yeah, he's crazy. 0.91

00:50:34.000 Son Truitt. 0.92

00:50:35.000 I think Truitt's like...

00:50:36.000 He's in his early 20s.

00:50:39.000 He's the kid that broke Goggins' chin-up record.

00:50:42.000 Oh, really? 0.51

00:50:43.000 Yeah, his son's a savage, too. 0.90

00:50:45.000 Was Goggins mad? 0.94

00:50:46.000 No, he loves it.

00:50:46.000 Is he going to try to break it again?

00:50:48.000 I'm sure he'll break it.

00:50:49.000 Who broke his?

00:50:50.000 Yeah, he has to.

00:50:51.000 I think another guy holds...

00:50:53.000 Goggins held the world record, and then Truitt broke Goggins' record, but I don't believe that was the world record anymore.

00:51:00.000 I think there was another guy who broke the world record.

00:51:02.000 Gotcha.

00:51:03.000 So it's like a little hot potato.

00:51:04.000 It's an insane amount of chin-ups.

00:51:06.000 It's like thousands of chin-ups.

00:51:08.000 54-year-old Mark Jordan.

00:51:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:51:10.000 He's older than me.

00:51:11.000 4,210.

00:51:13.000 Let me see what this savage looks like. 0.71

00:51:16.000 That's insane. 0.93

00:51:17.000 Jesus Christ, look at the build on that man.

00:51:19.000 See, that's an even bigger problem, right?

00:51:21.000 Because that guy has to carry all that weight.

00:51:24.000 Like, he's heavier.

00:51:25.000 Because when you look at Goggins or Truett, they're smaller guys.

00:51:30.000 Like, Goggins is, is that Truett there?

00:51:33.000 I think so.

00:51:35.000 Maybe.

00:51:35.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:51:38.000 No, it's not.

00:51:39.000 No, this is 2017. Why is most pull-ups in one minute?

00:51:42.000 These savages keep breaking it.

00:51:44.000 I think what's impressive... 0.97

00:51:46.000 That guy's jacked, though.

00:51:46.000 That's what's nuts.

00:51:47.000 How thick that dude is.

00:51:49.000 4,300, actually, it says.

00:51:51.000 That's so much!

00:51:52.000 4,321 in 24 hours.

00:51:54.000 That's so much!

00:51:55.000 Oh my goodness.

00:51:57.000 That is so much.

00:51:58.000 Texas man.

00:51:59.000 Yeah, Corpus Christi.

00:52:01.000 Mark Jordan.

00:52:02.000 Shout out to Mark.

00:52:03.000 Yeah, usually they're not that muscular.

00:52:06.000 Because he's carrying around, I'm sure he's got muscular legs too, carrying around a lot of weight.

00:52:11.000 It's easier for slimmer people to do chin-ups.

00:52:14.000 I have a question.

00:52:15.000 Okay.

00:52:15.000 So since you meet all these people that do fit things, who is a person that you've met or a record that you admire or, I don't know, the coolest?

00:52:30.000 The coolest?

00:52:32.000 The coolest human feat.

00:52:35.000 The person who you have the most respect for doing, I don't know.

00:52:39.000 Maybe you, Katie.

00:52:41.000 No.

00:52:41.000 Might be.

00:52:42.000 No.

00:52:43.000 Can't be.

00:52:44.000 Why?

00:52:44.000 Because there's so many cool things.

00:52:46.000 What you did is pretty cool. 0.98

00:52:48.000 By yourself, alone in the ocean, for fucking days and days and days and days and days and days with phospholuminescent water and the stars and dolphins are playing with you. 0.98

00:53:01.000 What you did is pretty fucking cool. 0.99

00:53:03.000 Well, thank you. 0.83

00:53:04.000 Pretty cool.

00:53:05.000 You know?

00:53:07.000 That's up there.

00:53:09.000 Okay, but what's, you know...

00:53:15.000 Eddie Izzard impressed me the most because what he did, he had zero training and he wasn't in shape and he's a comedian.

00:53:23.000 He just did it on pure will.

00:53:26.000 And he's done multiple ones of these.

00:53:28.000 But I shouldn't say he anymore because now he wants to be called a she. 1.00

00:53:33.000 She. 0.93

00:53:33.000 I'll just call him her, Eddie. 0.93

00:53:35.000 Eddie ran the entire length around the UK. Yeah, but with zero training.

00:53:44.000 And they documented it in a documentary.

00:53:46.000 I mean, Eddie's feet were falling off.

00:53:49.000 I mean, the skin was just completely removed.

00:53:53.000 It's horrific to watch when you see them trying to tape up the toes and deal with all the blisters and then running the next day.

00:54:03.000 Eddie's out there huffing it.

00:54:04.000 I mean, but not in shape.

00:54:06.000 Not like a person like you or like Cam Haynes or David Goggins.

00:54:09.000 A person that is just through sheer will decides they're gonna run around the entire length of the UK and do it all for charity.

00:54:20.000 And then since then, Eddie's done, she's run through Africa and did a recent one where They were doing it on Zoom.

00:54:32.000 That one was on a treadmill and did, what was it, like 26 marathons?

00:54:37.000 31 and 32 days?

00:54:39.000 Yeah, something crazy.

00:54:41.000 Like that, 32 and 32 days?

00:54:42.000 Yeah.

00:54:42.000 That's pretty damn impressive because he's not an athlete per se.

00:54:48.000 Hmm.

00:54:49.000 It sounds like she sounds pretty athletic.

00:54:54.000 Yeah, she used to be called a he. 0.61

00:54:56.000 It's confusing because she still likes girls.

00:54:59.000 Or as Eddie says, fancies the ladies.

00:55:03.000 But whatever. 0.99

00:55:04.000 When you're that badass, I don't give a fuck what you call yourself or who you are. 0.99

00:55:09.000 I'll say whatever you want. 0.98

00:55:10.000 What was the distance for the UK run?

00:55:13.000 That's a good question.

00:55:15.000 Totally more than 1,100 miles.

00:55:17.000 43 marathons in 51 days.

00:55:19.000 27 miles a day, at least.

00:55:21.000 You've got to understand that this is not an in-shape person.

00:55:24.000 I'm surprised that there was an injury to stop that.

00:55:29.000 I think, like, injury is definitely one of the biggest, like, you know, challenges.

00:55:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:35.000 For sure.

00:55:36.000 How old was Eddie at the time?

00:55:38.000 It was in 2009, so a little bit younger.

00:55:41.000 40?

00:55:42.000 40. Let me see if it says in the thing.

00:55:46.000 Probably 40. Not young.

00:55:48.000 Only trained for five weeks right before it.

00:55:51.000 And then...

00:55:52.000 That's really...

00:55:53.000 Yeah, it's not saying.

00:55:54.000 I'll check something else.

00:55:55.000 Sorry.

00:55:55.000 Like, usually you taper two or three weeks.

00:55:58.000 Yeah.

00:55:58.000 So that's like...

00:55:59.000 No, it's nuts.

00:56:00.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

00:56:01.000 And if you watch the documentary, you just see it's just sheer will.

00:56:05.000 Yeah.

00:56:05.000 It was 47 at the time.

00:56:07.000 You could say he was 47 at the time because he was a he then. 1.00

00:56:10.000 47-year-old actor was 47 at the time.

00:56:16.000 That's not young.

00:56:18.000 It's super impressive.

00:56:19.000 That's probably the most impressive thing.

00:56:21.000 Yeah, I'd be curious.

00:56:22.000 But just because of that, because I know, like, my friend Cam Haynes, he runs every day.

00:56:26.000 He's in great shape.

00:56:27.000 He just ran 100 miles like it was nothing.

00:56:29.000 Just did it, like, last weekend.

00:56:31.000 Did a 100-mile race.

00:56:33.000 And he doesn't even tell anybody.

00:56:34.000 He just goes and does them.

00:56:35.000 Because he does it so much.

00:56:36.000 He runs, literally when he prepares for these things, he runs a marathon a day.

00:56:41.000 Every day.

00:56:43.000 So him doing that?

00:56:45.000 Not as impressive as Eddie doing it, just because Eddie's not in shape.

00:56:49.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:56:50.000 I mean, like, even in Ironmans, like, of course, there's these people who finish in eight, nine hours, but sometimes the most impressive thing, like, one of the races I did, my friends and I, we stayed until the last person came.

00:57:02.000 And this person was out there for 17 hours, like...

00:57:06.000 And they made it just within like 20 more seconds to go.

00:57:10.000 And like, yeah, it's almost just as inspiring, if not more, to see that person who's just barely made it than the one who's just like, oh, I could do that again.

00:57:24.000 But there's not one person that's the most impressive.

00:57:28.000 One of the more interesting things about doing a podcast is that you can talk to people from all walks of life.

00:57:37.000 And so my understanding of human beings is very broad in a sense that, like, oh, I met someone like her.

00:57:44.000 Oh, I know a person like that.

00:57:46.000 Oh, that guy.

00:57:47.000 Yeah, that's like this person.

00:57:49.000 If you just live in the same place and communicate with the same people and you don't get out and you don't travel and you don't meet really unique and interesting people, you have an idea.

00:58:00.000 You have a little box that you look to put human beings in.

00:58:04.000 My box is enormous.

00:58:06.000 So what I think of what's possible with people is enormous.

00:58:10.000 So it's made me very, very open-minded in terms of what's possible, in terms of just the different kinds of people, different styles of human being.

00:58:23.000 Because that's kind of what it's like.

00:58:24.000 There's different styles of human being.

00:58:31.000 What does that mean?

00:58:48.000 I think it means when you have an expertise in one subject, you grossly overestimate your understanding of other subjects.

00:59:00.000 Let's see if we can find the definition of that.

00:59:03.000 I've never heard that.

00:59:04.000 You've never heard that?

00:59:05.000 It's a commonly used phrase because it's very common amongst really brilliant people, unfortunately.

00:59:13.000 There's brilliant people that dismiss other disciplines and other works and other fields of interest because it's not inside of the...

00:59:24.000 Here it is.

00:59:25.000 It's a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability...

00:59:34.000 Oh, psychological bias.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, it would be an amateur chess player overestimating their performance in the upcoming chess tournament compared to their competent counterparts. 0.52

00:59:44.000 Hmm, I think I fucked that up then.

00:59:45.000 Because I thought that it had to do with someone being really good at something else, and that's why the Dunning-Kruger effect takes into position.

00:59:55.000 That's how I've always thought of it.

00:59:56.000 So the way I'm looking at it, I'm looking at the Dunning-Kruger effect based on people that are good at other things.

01:00:08.000 Maybe someone is a great mathematician, but they have a kind of funky view about religion.

01:00:15.000 Or maybe there's someone who is a brilliant psychologist, but they maybe have a dismissive view of martial arts or people that practice it.

01:00:27.000 I know people that are into athletics and they're athletic trainers and they dismiss yoga.

01:00:32.000 They have zero experience in yoga.

01:00:35.000 And I've had arguments with people about that.

01:00:38.000 Like guys who are professional trainers that train elite athletes and they dismiss yoga.

01:00:44.000 What do they have against yoga?

01:00:46.000 It's not that they have anything against it.

01:00:48.000 It's that they don't understand what they're talking about.

01:00:50.000 Because they believe that because they're so good at this one thing, maybe plyometrics, explosive training, that you talk to them about yoga and they'll be dismissive of it.

01:00:58.000 I'm like, well, how often are you doing it? 0.99

01:01:01.000 Listen, I've done a lot of shit. 0.99

01:01:02.000 Yoga's hard. 0.99

01:01:03.000 It's good.

01:01:05.000 I don't think it's the only thing you should do.

01:01:09.000 I talked to this one lady. 1.00

01:01:10.000 She used to go to my yoga class and she was in her 50s and she was fucking shredded. 1.00

01:01:14.000 She had this crazy six-pack and super jacked. 0.99

01:01:18.000 And I go, you don't just do yoga.

01:01:20.000 And she goes, no, no, no.

01:01:21.000 I do a lot of weightlifting and I do a lot of CrossFit and stuff like that.

01:01:24.000 She goes, I don't think you should just do yoga.

01:01:26.000 She goes, but I think you should do yoga.

01:01:28.000 And I was like, yeah, I kind of agree.

01:01:30.000 Because I think just doing yoga, you get one of them weird guru bodies.

01:01:34.000 You know?

01:01:35.000 You're real bendy, but it doesn't seem like you can help anybody move a couch.

01:01:39.000 I think weightlifting, especially as you get older, I think it's imperative.

01:01:44.000 I really think it's important.

01:01:45.000 Some sort of resistance training just to keep your bone density and keep your muscles and tendons strong.

01:01:51.000 But yoga has some profound mental benefits, some psychological benefits.

01:01:58.000 And it's hard! 0.99

01:01:59.000 It's fucking hard. 0.97

01:02:01.000 Like, holding on to those... 0.99

01:02:02.000 I like to do hot yoga, too.

01:02:03.000 So holding on to those poses when it's 105 degrees and you're watching sweat pour off of you and your heart's pounding out of your chest.

01:02:11.000 Yes, but sometimes when you do those hot yoga classes, you would be sweating if you were just sitting there.

01:02:18.000 So I think sometimes...

01:02:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:20.000 Like, it is hard, but if you were sitting there, you probably would be sweating, too.

01:02:26.000 So it could be...

01:02:28.000 Well, that's because it's harder when it's hot.

01:02:31.000 Because it makes your body produce heat shock proteins, which makes it better.

01:02:36.000 See, this is another thing that people get screwed up.

01:02:38.000 They say, oh, no, no, it's not that hard.

01:02:40.000 It just seems hard because it's hot.

01:02:42.000 No, no, no. 0.99

01:02:43.000 It's fucking hard. 0.99

01:02:44.000 And it's harder because it's hot. 0.99

01:02:47.000 So your body has to work harder.

01:02:49.000 It feels harder because it is.

01:02:51.000 Because it's more difficult for your body.

01:02:53.000 So because it's more difficult for your body, your body has to produce these cytokines.

01:02:57.000 And that is massive.

01:03:00.000 It's massive for inflammation benefits.

01:03:04.000 And there's actually a study they're doing at Harvard right now about hot yoga.

01:03:09.000 And they're trying to find out if hot yoga has similar benefits to that...

01:03:13.000 Was it Finland that did that sauna study? 0.99

01:03:17.000 I keep fucking it up. 0.99

01:03:19.000 I always say Norway. 0.99

01:03:19.000 Finland, right? 0.99

01:03:21.000 Yeah.

01:03:21.000 There's a study that they did out of Finland that showed a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality for people that did sauna.

01:03:29.000 I think it's at 170 degrees, 20 minutes, four times a week.

01:03:34.000 40% decrease of all-cause mortality, heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything across the board because of the heat shock protein benefit, because of the fact that your body is kind of freaking out because of that heat.

01:03:47.000 So it produces those cytokines and that has massive benefits for your health and psychological benefits.

01:03:54.000 So, one of the coaches I worked with for Ironman, like, I used to do hot yoga a lot, and his concern for me in doing that on top of Ironman training was just like, okay, so you are already so dehydrated.

01:04:10.000 Like, hydration is already so hard with training, whatever, 20 hours of sweating by running and biking and swimming.

01:04:17.000 So, that's the only thing that I've heard, like, I don't know, have you heard anything about that, like, You definitely can get dehydrated if you don't plan accordingly.

01:04:26.000 But what you really need is an electrolyte supplement.

01:04:28.000 So I use liquid IV. I'll do two of those in a day is generally what I do because I work out a lot.

01:04:37.000 But when I do the sauna, I do one after the sauna.

01:04:41.000 But if I do a hot yoga class, I'll do it before the yoga class.

01:04:44.000 So I'll do like an hour before the yoga class, I'll drink 32 ounces of water with liquid IV. The only problem is having to pee.

01:04:51.000 That's the problem.

01:04:52.000 We talked about that before the podcast.

01:04:54.000 You drink a lot of water.

01:04:55.000 My daughter, my 10-year-old, has decided to drink massive amounts of water now.

01:05:01.000 So she has this...

01:05:02.000 Oh, the jug.

01:05:04.000 It is so big.

01:05:05.000 It's huge.

01:05:06.000 And she was laughing.

01:05:07.000 And I go, why are you doing this?

01:05:09.000 And she goes, well, water's really good for you.

01:05:11.000 And I just want to see if I can drink this every day.

01:05:15.000 And I go, well, you definitely can drink it every day.

01:05:18.000 So I go, how many times do you have to pee at class?

01:05:20.000 She goes, oh, every class.

01:05:22.000 I have to get up and pee multiple times.

01:05:24.000 And she's laughing.

01:05:25.000 I go, multiple times during class.

01:05:27.000 I go, what do your teachers think about this?

01:05:29.000 She goes, they laugh.

01:05:29.000 They think it's funny.

01:05:30.000 Because they know that I have this giant jug of water on my table.

01:05:33.000 I'm like, okay.

01:05:34.000 She might be going...

01:05:37.000 Overhydration!

01:05:38.000 Hyponatremia!

01:05:39.000 No, she's not doing that. 0.99

01:05:40.000 Because she's doing it through the entire day.

01:05:43.000 But that is a danger.

01:05:44.000 But that's when you're forcing water into your body.

01:05:47.000 People have died from that.

01:05:49.000 I've had hyponatremia.

01:05:50.000 Did you really?

01:05:51.000 Biking across America.

01:05:54.000 Wow.

01:05:55.000 What happened?

01:05:56.000 It was, I mean, yeah, I've had, like, I mean, if you do endurance stuff, of course, some things happen.

01:06:06.000 Like, I've had rhabdo, I've had...

01:06:10.000 When you had rhabdo, would they have to, rhabdomyelosis, would you have to do to fix that?

01:06:15.000 So that was the thing. 0.95

01:06:18.000 This is going to sound so stupid, but I was like, but I don't feel like it. 0.96

01:06:22.000 And I've had internal bleeding. 0.94

01:06:25.000 I was like, I don't feel anything.

01:06:27.000 So they just give you IV. Just drink water?

01:06:33.000 They gave me like two liters of IV. And that's it?

01:06:38.000 That was all.

01:06:38.000 And then, yeah, I think I was just monitoring.

01:06:41.000 And rapto is your muscles start to break down.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, so whenever you're working out, you're ideally breaking down your muscles because that's how they grow stronger.

01:06:53.000 So from my understanding, I mean, I'm not like a...

01:06:58.000 But from my understanding is that it's like when your muscles are breaking down, it's in your bloodstream, and your kidneys are trying really hard to filter it out, filter out.

01:07:10.000 And if there's so much breakdown, it's beyond your kidneys' ability to filter, filter, filter, so it could cause kidney failure.

01:07:17.000 So it's clogging your pipes, basically.

01:07:21.000 I know that the stuff I do, no doctor would be like, yeah, that sounds great.

01:07:28.000 Go run 100 miles.

01:07:31.000 Doctors tell you not to do everything, though.

01:07:33.000 I know.

01:07:33.000 That's true.

01:07:34.000 They don't want the liability of being like...

01:07:36.000 It's not just that.

01:07:37.000 It's just like...

01:07:39.000 When I got my first knee surgery, I remember my doctor saying, well, no more martial arts for you. 0.99

01:07:44.000 I was like, the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:07:45.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

01:07:47.000 Watch me.

01:07:48.000 At the time, I was 22 or something like that. 1.00

01:07:52.000 I'm like, you're fucking crazy. 1.00

01:07:54.000 What are you saying? 1.00

01:07:55.000 Are you fixing my knee or not?

01:07:57.000 Is it fixed?

01:07:58.000 Well, it'll be more vulnerable now.

01:08:00.000 Okay.

01:08:01.000 Yeah.

01:08:02.000 And then when I get it fixed again, like in my mind, I was like, I don't even know what you're saying.

01:08:05.000 I'm gonna stop working out.

01:08:07.000 I can't do martial arts ever, ever again.

01:08:10.000 And then it happened again.

01:08:11.000 When I got my second knee surgery, I had a meniscus scope and the doctors, same thing.

01:08:17.000 They were like, well, you really need to stop this.

01:08:19.000 I'm like, oh, okay.

01:08:21.000 I do?

01:08:22.000 Meanwhile, I don't.

01:08:23.000 Look, because here I'm still doing it 20 years later.

01:08:25.000 And I'm not in pain. 1.00

01:08:27.000 You guys are out of your fucking minds. 1.00

01:08:29.000 They're so risk-averse. 1.00

01:08:31.000 They just want to avoid any kind of real problems you're going to have with your body.

01:08:34.000 But I think your body is supposed to be used.

01:08:38.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:08:38.000 You gotta use that damn thing. 1.00

01:08:40.000 I mean, like, I'm really into rollerblading right now. 1.00

01:08:43.000 Oh, boy.

01:08:43.000 I could go on about the benefits of rollerblading.

01:08:45.000 I think Raven was talking to people before this.

01:08:48.000 Okay.

01:08:49.000 Rollerblading is so great.

01:08:50.000 And some people are like, oh, my balance is so terrible.

01:08:54.000 I'm like, well, you should probably rollerblade.

01:08:56.000 Because how do you improve your balance by doing things that are challenging your balance?

01:09:02.000 You don't get better by avoiding it.

01:09:07.000 But that's what people say.

01:09:08.000 Oh, I can't rollerblade because of that.

01:09:11.000 No, you should rollerblade.

01:09:12.000 Just wear your helmet.

01:09:14.000 Knee pads, elbow pads.

01:09:15.000 Do what you gotta do.

01:09:16.000 Do you have the hand things too?

01:09:17.000 I don't.

01:09:18.000 I just have the helmet.

01:09:19.000 What about your hands?

01:09:21.000 Don't you worry about the soft tissue in your fingers?

01:09:23.000 No, not at all.

01:09:25.000 I rode across the Atlantic.

01:09:27.000 Like, I'm used to the, you know, having calf kills.

01:09:31.000 Rough stuff, yeah.

01:09:33.000 But running, and I think most endurance athletes end up doing the same repetitive thing, right?

01:09:40.000 Right.

01:09:40.000 And what most weaknesses are your hips.

01:09:45.000 Like...

01:09:45.000 And a lot of people have knee issues, which is because of weak hips.

01:09:49.000 And so I think what's really great about rollerblading is it targets the very areas that are often very, like, underdeveloped with running and biking and repetitive...

01:10:04.000 And then I think there's the stabilizing muscles.

01:10:08.000 And, like, you'll get that with, like, the Pilates and things like, you know, one-legged type drills.

01:10:15.000 And I don't necessarily think the stabilizers, like...

01:10:21.000 From my experience, if my quads are really strong and I'm trying to run, I'm going to rely on my quads.

01:10:29.000 And I'm not going to be like, hamstrings work really hard because I already know my quads are really strong.

01:10:34.000 But with rollerblading, I think it gets into all these little stabilizing muscles.

01:10:41.000 So the areas that I'm really sore from rollerblading is my low back.

01:10:45.000 And that's another area that matters a lot with running because...

01:10:52.000 Like, I think running, you could definitely think about, like, your strength and your muscle.

01:10:57.000 But what's also, from my understanding, is, like, 30% of your run efficiency happens, like, because of your form.

01:11:05.000 And, yeah, low back definitely helps with form and...

01:11:10.000 I don't know.

01:11:10.000 I was just thinking about what sports are fun, and I don't think you could be in a bad mood while rollerblading.

01:11:18.000 Yeah, it seems like it's a good time.

01:11:20.000 It looks festive.

01:11:24.000 You can't be angry while you're rollerblading.

01:11:26.000 No, and you could listen to music and jam out, have fun.

01:11:30.000 I jam out.

01:11:31.000 That's what my friend and I are doing every weekend now.

01:11:34.000 So that's your thing?

01:11:36.000 For now.

01:11:37.000 You're going to rollerblade across America?

01:11:40.000 No.

01:11:41.000 Are you thinking about it?

01:11:41.000 No, I thought about it.

01:11:45.000 Here's the thing.

01:11:46.000 It's really...

01:11:47.000 Okay, so I have the three-wheeled rollerblades.

01:11:49.000 There's four wheels, which is what most people probably have used, but three wheels are a lot faster, and it's really hard to stop.

01:11:57.000 Is the two in the front or in the back?

01:11:59.000 no it's it's it's not skating it's like oh yeah like a blade yes oh so i cannot stop very well well that sucks and so i would not want to go across america if i didn't know how to stop why don't you go roller skating is that too easy oh no i don't i i feel like it's for babies oh you want to go fast i mean it does feel like ricky bobby Well,

01:12:24.000 I mean, who wants to go slow?

01:12:26.000 I get it.

01:12:27.000 Like, so, I think rollerblading's really fun and people should try it if they haven't.

01:12:32.000 Seems like a good time.

01:12:34.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 And there are certain things that like, so like gymnastics, it like, it's very artistic and fun to watch.

01:12:43.000 But I'm sure for the gymnasts, it's not actually fun and artistic to do.

01:12:47.000 But I think like ice skating and rollerblading, like it's fun for the person and for the person watching.

01:12:54.000 Like, I don't know.

01:12:55.000 I think gymnastics are fun.

01:12:56.000 My middle daughter does gymnastics.

01:12:58.000 She's really good at it.

01:12:59.000 She loves it.

01:13:00.000 We have to stop her from doing it in the house. 1.00

01:13:02.000 She does like back handsprings in the hallway. 0.95

01:13:04.000 Wow.

01:13:05.000 Hey, hey, hey.

01:13:06.000 Come on.

01:13:07.000 That's pretty cool.

01:13:08.000 She loves it. 0.99

01:13:10.000 She gets on the trampoline, does flips and all kinds of shit. 1.00

01:13:12.000 She goes bananas. 1.00

01:13:14.000 You can't stop her.

01:13:15.000 She loves it.

01:13:15.000 I've never really been.

01:13:16.000 I always assumed that because it just looks so hard.

01:13:20.000 I think a lot of things that look hard when you finish them is a feeling of elation.

01:13:26.000 Does that sound familiar?

01:13:27.000 Yes.

01:13:31.000 I think when you don't think you could ever do a backflip and then all of a sudden you can hit two in a row or do a tuck and do a forward one and you start doing it and then you get better and your form gets better.

01:13:42.000 It's like everything else.

01:13:44.000 It's like martial arts.

01:13:45.000 Martial arts are really hard.

01:13:46.000 But when you get good at it, it's like, wow, it feels like you're in a real live video game.

01:13:52.000 Yeah.

01:13:52.000 Do you have anything that you're like, you know, like my little thing is like the splits.

01:13:57.000 I've never worked my way into that.

01:14:00.000 Oh, you should be able to do that.

01:14:01.000 You're an athlete.

01:14:02.000 My hamstrings are really tight.

01:14:04.000 Yeah, you could do it.

01:14:05.000 I mean, it would take time. 0.96

01:14:09.000 I think it's fascinating when I talk to someone like you that is willing to row across the fucking ocean and you're saying it would take time to do the splits. 0.94

01:14:20.000 Because my body, yeah, because I trained it to do one thing. 0.97

01:14:25.000 Yeah, no, I understand.

01:14:26.000 Yeah.

01:14:26.000 Yeah, but it's just a matter of stretching.

01:14:29.000 Yeah.

01:14:30.000 It's easy.

01:14:31.000 I mean, it's patience.

01:14:35.000 It's just consistency.

01:14:37.000 That's true.

01:14:37.000 I've been doing it my whole life.

01:14:39.000 I've been stretching my whole life.

01:14:40.000 So, even though I'm a meathead, I'm very flexible.

01:14:45.000 Do you do any of the yin yoga?

01:14:47.000 Yin yoga?

01:14:48.000 What is that?

01:14:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:14:50.000 So that's the one where you're just holding things for three minutes.

01:14:54.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:56.000 From my understanding, it's one of the best types of yoga for runners because it's the least muscular.

01:15:08.000 So it would be like nappy time yoga.

01:15:11.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:13.000 Mostly on the floor?

01:15:15.000 Yeah, but it's probably the best stretching yoga. 0.63

01:15:19.000 Yeah, just stretch.

01:15:21.000 Just make yourself stretch.

01:15:22.000 Just decide, I have an hour and a half right now that I'm going to do nothing but stretch.

01:15:28.000 You'd be amazed at how much tension you carry in your muscles, too.

01:15:32.000 Whenever I have a show, a comedy show, and I'm a little tense, I stretch.

01:15:37.000 I feel way better afterwards.

01:15:39.000 It's like all this...

01:15:41.000 And then just like, ugh.

01:15:43.000 You have more mobility.

01:15:46.000 Everything moves better.

01:15:47.000 Yeah.

01:15:48.000 I definitely like the tennis ball, too, for my back.

01:15:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:52.000 Oh, we have these things. 0.99

01:15:54.000 Have you tried those fucking hyper ice balls? 0.99

01:15:57.000 They're these things. 0.99

01:15:58.000 They're hard, and they vibrate like crazy.

01:16:01.000 And you roll on them, and it just...

01:16:03.000 Well, try it afterwards.

01:16:06.000 It's one of our sponsors, which you get on it and...

01:16:08.000 Roll around on it.

01:16:09.000 It just loosens everything up.

01:16:12.000 It's so much better than a tennis ball.

01:16:14.000 I was using lacrosse balls for a while.

01:16:16.000 Those are nice.

01:16:17.000 This is like that times 100. It's awesome.

01:16:21.000 The vibration is crazy.

01:16:23.000 It's like, what the fuck is in here that makes this thing vibrate like that? 0.92

01:16:26.000 They have a roller that does the same thing. 0.97

01:16:28.000 I'll show you later.

01:16:29.000 My friend has the wand one that she uses.

01:16:32.000 It's some kind of...

01:16:34.000 Alex Honnold was here the other day.

01:16:36.000 You know who he is?

01:16:37.000 The free solo climber.

01:16:39.000 He's great.

01:16:40.000 And we were talking about flexibility.

01:16:41.000 He's like, yeah, I'm not really that flexible.

01:16:43.000 And I'm like, but wouldn't it help you to be flexible?

01:16:46.000 He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely would. 0.97

01:16:48.000 And I'm like, why aren't you fucking stretching? 0.94

01:16:50.000 And he's like, well, it's really hard. 0.99

01:16:53.000 You know?

01:16:53.000 I'm like, no, it's not.

01:16:55.000 Like, you fucking climb El Cap with no ropes. 0.99

01:16:59.000 It's the same thing with you. 1.00

01:17:00.000 It's like people are crazy.

01:17:02.000 People have this thing that they do that's really difficult that they don't think is difficult, and then they look at something else, and they'll be like, I can never play piano.

01:17:13.000 It's kind of the same thing.

01:17:15.000 We put limitations on ourselves.

01:17:16.000 You say, I would like to be able to do the splits.

01:17:19.000 I swear to God, if you lived in Austin, I could get you to do the splits in 30 days.

01:17:25.000 100%. 1.00

01:17:26.000 Depending on how fucked up you are. 1.00

01:17:28.000 How much time would this... 1.00

01:17:30.000 You need an hour and a half a day.

01:17:32.000 To do the splits?

01:17:33.000 Yeah.

01:17:33.000 Oof.

01:17:35.000 Like, you could run... 1.00

01:17:36.000 70 days across the fucking ocean? 0.99

01:17:38.000 No, it's not... 0.99

01:17:39.000 It's just like that would be 10 miles of running.

01:17:41.000 Yeah, well, you could do that, too.

01:17:43.000 It's not stopping you from doing that.

01:17:45.000 I mean, there's only so much time.

01:17:46.000 Yeah, it's 24 hours.

01:17:47.000 Yeah, you know how many times there is in a day.

01:17:50.000 Yeah.

01:17:52.000 You just do it.

01:17:53.000 But if you wanted that, that's the thing that you keep saying.

01:17:56.000 You're saying you wish you could do the splits.

01:17:58.000 Well, it's just one of the, like, yeah, in the future.

01:18:01.000 Not right now.

01:18:02.000 It's easy.

01:18:03.000 I do it every day.

01:18:05.000 You can do it.

01:18:06.000 Stretch.

01:18:08.000 I'll let you know when I achieve my...

01:18:11.000 It's so important because it prevents injuries.

01:18:13.000 It allows you to have more range of motion.

01:18:16.000 And it's something that everybody loses as you get older.

01:18:19.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:18:20.000 I do do weights two or three times a week and then do yoga once a week.

01:18:27.000 But I would definitely be more on the cardio side of the fence.

01:18:34.000 Oh yeah, I would imagine.

01:18:35.000 Well, a lot of runners are real tight.

01:18:37.000 A lot of runners.

01:18:38.000 A lot of runners with very tight hamstrings. 0.99

01:18:41.000 When you're done with all that running, you don't want to fucking stretch. 0.95

01:18:43.000 You're like, I'm done. 0.98

01:18:44.000 Let me have some Froot Loops or whatever.

01:18:46.000 Exactly.

01:18:47.000 Watermelon for me.

01:18:48.000 Watermelon, yeah.

01:18:49.000 You just want something.

01:18:51.000 You don't want to force yourself into it.

01:18:54.000 Goggins told me that he had such a problem with his psoas muscles that it was actually preventing him from running.

01:19:03.000 Like he was trying to figure out what was wrong with him.

01:19:05.000 And then he realized it was just tightness of his muscle.

01:19:08.000 And so then he started stretching and then he got obsessed with stretching.

01:19:12.000 And I think he told me he stretches two hours every day now.

01:19:17.000 Something bananas like that, but that's very Goggins-esque.

01:19:20.000 Yeah.

01:19:21.000 That he would do something that hard two hours a day.

01:19:24.000 Yeah.

01:19:24.000 But it's just, it's everything.

01:19:26.000 Stretching's everything.

01:19:27.000 It's so important.

01:19:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:28.000 Because it sucks. 0.99

01:19:30.000 There's a thing about it, too, that sucks. 0.99

01:19:32.000 You know what one sucks for me the most? 0.94

01:19:34.000 Is when sitting down, grabbing my toes, and flattening my body to my thighs. 0.99

01:19:40.000 Because it's just, it sucks. 0.98

01:19:42.000 It sucks to breathe. 0.98

01:19:44.000 It's not fun. 0.88

01:19:46.000 It's painful.

01:19:48.000 But once I do it, I'm like, I did it.

01:19:51.000 Yeah.

01:19:52.000 A lot of those stretches, it's like really bad for the first 30 seconds and then sometimes it gets better.

01:19:57.000 Or not, but...

01:19:58.000 Yeah, you loosen up.

01:20:00.000 Yeah.

01:20:00.000 Yeah, same thing with doing the splits.

01:20:01.000 The door one's really great, where you, like, lean into it and get your shoulders.

01:20:05.000 Which one is that?

01:20:06.000 How do you do it?

01:20:06.000 You put your, like, in the door frame, and then you lean.

01:20:10.000 Oh, yeah, that's great.

01:20:11.000 That one's really good.

01:20:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:13.000 Hanging is great.

01:20:15.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:20:15.000 By your hands, on the chin-up bar. 0.80

01:20:17.000 Yeah.

01:20:17.000 My God, that's so good for your shoulders.

01:20:19.000 It's like, so many people have shoulder pain, and a lot of it is just like, everything's sort of impacted and tightened up.

01:20:26.000 Yeah.

01:20:27.000 And it's hard to stretch those things.

01:20:29.000 But just hanging from a chin-up bar, it's like everything sort of like stretches.

01:20:33.000 And it feels great for your lower back, too.

01:20:35.000 Totally.

01:20:36.000 One of my friends is really into the inversion cables and everything.

01:20:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:39.000 I love those.

01:20:40.000 You know what's the best one?

01:20:42.000 Teeter makes the ones that you hang by your ankles with.

01:20:45.000 They also make this thing called the Dex.

01:20:47.000 Do you know what that is?

01:20:48.000 Uh-uh. 1.00

01:20:48.000 It's the shit. 1.00

01:20:49.000 You put your legs in it, almost like a leg curl thing, and then it hinges forward. 0.99

01:20:55.000 And so you're hanging just from your hips.

01:21:01.000 The thing about the inversion table is you're hanging by your ankles.

01:21:04.000 It's great, it does loosen everything up, but this specifically targets your back.

01:21:10.000 That's how it works.

01:21:11.000 It's phenomenal.

01:21:13.000 It reminds me of that ab crunch.

01:21:15.000 Yes, exactly.

01:21:16.000 And you can do back extensions on that thing too.

01:21:20.000 You can use it for that as well if you want to.

01:21:23.000 Oh, sorry.

01:21:25.000 No, it's okay.

01:21:25.000 This is definitely good for...

01:21:28.000 One of the things with ultra running that I noticed...

01:21:32.000 There's a lot of weird things that...

01:21:35.000 And one of them is the swollen hands and swollen feet.

01:21:40.000 Usually every time after a long run, I'm always putting my feet up above my head.

01:21:46.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:21:47.000 Just to try to balance it out.

01:21:49.000 That thing though, you feel your back going like pop, pop, pop.

01:21:54.000 You feel everything just sort of loosening up and decompressing.

01:21:58.000 Love that thing.

01:21:59.000 Cool.

01:22:00.000 You know what's a great piece of equipment that I just started using recently?

01:22:03.000 Let me guess.

01:22:04.000 Go ahead.

01:22:05.000 Give me a hint.

01:22:07.000 It's for your legs?

01:22:10.000 Is it...

01:22:11.000 Wait, is it the ones...

01:22:15.000 Sound like...

01:22:15.000 Is it like the ones that puff up and give you a massage?

01:22:19.000 No, those are great though.

01:22:20.000 Normatec?

01:22:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:21.000 Those are the shit. 1.00

01:22:21.000 Yeah, those are great. 1.00

01:22:22.000 No, this is an actual weightlifting thing.

01:22:26.000 Maybe I never even heard of it then.

01:22:27.000 It's called monkey feet.

01:22:28.000 You know what monkey feet are? 0.98

01:22:29.000 I have yoga toes.

01:22:31.000 Totally different.

01:22:32.000 Yoga toes stretches your toes out.

01:22:34.000 That's great for your feet.

01:22:35.000 It's really good.

01:22:35.000 Those are legit.

01:22:36.000 I like that.

01:22:36.000 I do too.

01:22:38.000 Monkey feet's a different thing.

01:22:39.000 It's actually a harness that you put onto the bottom of your sneaker or your shoe and then underneath it you can hold a dumbbell.

01:22:47.000 So it's almost like you can hold something with your foot because this thing grasps the dumbbell at the bottom.

01:22:54.000 I need to see this.

01:22:55.000 Yeah, and what it's great for is your hip flexors.

01:22:59.000 You can lift like this.

01:23:01.000 You're lifting weights up with your legs and doing leg curls with it.

01:23:05.000 It's phenomenal.

01:23:07.000 It's really good. 0.98

01:23:08.000 And it's amazing how fucking weak your legs are. 0.99

01:23:11.000 In those ways. 0.99

01:23:13.000 Even if you do a lot of squats, I can squat and deadlift and put some pretty heavy weight on the rack, but this is like 25 pounds, it's difficult for me to do a leg curl.

01:23:24.000 I'm like, oh, this is shocking.

01:23:26.000 Because I was like, these dumbbells, like 25 pounds, they're probably not going to be enough.

01:23:31.000 That's what I was thinking.

01:23:32.000 I'm probably going to have to curl like 75, 80 pounds.

01:23:35.000 No.

01:23:36.000 25 pounds.

01:23:37.000 I'm like, five reps in. 0.99

01:23:39.000 I'm like, oh shit. 0.99

01:23:40.000 I'm falling apart here. 0.99

01:23:42.000 Seven, eight.

01:23:44.000 I'm like, that's crazy.

01:23:45.000 25 pounds is nothing.

01:23:46.000 I thought, my legs carry me around all day.

01:23:49.000 But it's such an odd way for you to lift weights with your legs.

01:23:53.000 Totally.

01:23:54.000 See if you can find that.

01:23:56.000 So this is it.

01:23:58.000 Oh, wow.

01:23:59.000 Yeah, so you hook that thing onto your sneaker, and then the barbell, or the dumbbell rather, at the bottom hooks onto this thing, and it's easy to take on and off.

01:24:09.000 It's really well engineered.

01:24:10.000 I love it.

01:24:11.000 What if you just have ankle weights?

01:24:15.000 How is this better than ankle weights?

01:24:17.000 Oh, ankle weights are okay.

01:24:18.000 But it's hard to get ankle weights in 25, 35 pounds, right?

01:24:21.000 Okay.

01:24:21.000 Most ankle weights are like 5'10".

01:24:23.000 This is better.

01:24:24.000 And I just think it's phenomenal.

01:24:28.000 I've been using it recently over the last few weeks.

01:24:32.000 And I'm very impressed. 0.95

01:24:34.000 And I'm impressed at how fucking sore my thighs are afterwards. 0.98

01:24:38.000 Yeah. 0.90

01:24:39.000 As I'm doing this thing, there's this guy, he's got a, it's called Knees Over Toes.

01:24:45.000 He's got this protocol for strengthening your knees.

01:24:51.000 And it's crazy what this guy can accomplish.

01:24:55.000 Physically, like what he's capable of, and this is a guy that's had a ton of different surgeries, and one of his key moves, like these kind of moves, where they would always tell you, don't ever have your knees over your toes when you squat.

01:25:09.000 And he's like, no, the reason why is because your knees aren't stable.

01:25:12.000 Build your way up to that, but then work those muscles, and you get phenomenal strength, what he calls dense strength, in your legs.

01:25:21.000 Look what he could do with his hamstrings.

01:25:23.000 That's wild.

01:25:24.000 Oh, it's wild.

01:25:25.000 He goes all the way down forward and then can lift himself up.

01:25:28.000 And he can also go all the way back.

01:25:31.000 So he can be on his knees and fall all the way back so his back touches the back of his heels.

01:25:38.000 And then, without using his hands, come back up. 0.99

01:25:44.000 Watch him do this, because this is fucking crazy. 0.98

01:25:47.000 Watch this. 0.99

01:25:48.000 All the way down.

01:25:49.000 Now watch, he goes all the way to the bottom, and then comes all the way back up again.

01:25:53.000 That's incredibly difficult to do.

01:25:55.000 So I've been doing this guy's workouts, and he has them all available for free on his Instagram.

01:26:02.000 You can see how he's doing it, or you can sign up for their program.

01:26:06.000 What does ATG stand for?

01:26:10.000 What is it?

01:26:11.000 Athletic Truth Group, I think?

01:26:13.000 Yeah, click on that.

01:26:14.000 On that one, click on that because there's a guy that's doing that guy in the middle. 1.00

01:26:19.000 Watch that guy. 0.76

01:26:20.000 Watch this because this is crazy.

01:26:21.000 Now this is what they'd hope you do.

01:26:25.000 Where you can go from your toes all the way down to your knees like that.

01:26:29.000 But watch.

01:26:30.000 He goes all the way to the bottom.

01:26:32.000 This is completely controlled.

01:26:34.000 Now watch.

01:26:35.000 He goes all the way down and back.

01:26:39.000 And then all the way back up.

01:26:43.000 It's incredible.

01:26:44.000 I bet they have really good fail videos about this one.

01:26:47.000 Yeah, but it's a slow build.

01:26:49.000 That's why you need to follow the program.

01:26:51.000 But look what it says in his quote there, Jamie.

01:26:54.000 This is not an example of a training session of how I got here.

01:26:58.000 This is simply a test of what I've been working on for the past three years at Athletic Truth Group on Instagram.

01:27:05.000 Because I never worked through pain on this entire journey to get to this point, which is really amazing.

01:27:11.000 But as a person who's been doing athletics and stretching my whole life, I'm super impressed by that movement.

01:27:18.000 That's a very, very difficult movement to control, and that guy's doing it super slow.

01:27:23.000 They do a lot of split squats, and the idea of these split squats, and they're working their way to that place where you can put weight...

01:27:33.000 And as it goes lower and lower and lower, you're putting more and more pressure on the knee and on the surrounding stabilizing muscles.

01:27:41.000 But I've had a big improvement just from doing this.

01:27:45.000 I've been doing this, following this protocol for the past few months.

01:27:49.000 And just my knees just feel stronger.

01:27:52.000 Like everything around it feels more stable and stronger.

01:27:55.000 I think what's encouraging about that too is him saying he never felt pain through it.

01:28:00.000 And I think, I mean, that's so cliche, but like, no pain, no gain.

01:28:04.000 Like, that's a message that doesn't always apply and is actually... 0.96

01:28:09.000 Take it from a woman who rode across the entire fucking ocean, okay? 0.99

01:28:12.000 That no pain, no gain is for nonsense people. 0.99

01:28:15.000 I mean, pain is our body giving us a helpful message.

01:28:21.000 Yes.

01:28:21.000 Like, hey dude, settle down.

01:28:27.000 Well, there's so many guys that, you know, especially guys, they just want to be the person who can take the most pain, you know?

01:28:36.000 Yeah.

01:28:36.000 They want to pump each other up.

01:28:38.000 Let's go!

01:28:40.000 I mean, pain tolerance is a helpful thing for, like, doing athletic things, for sure.

01:28:45.000 Especially for events, right?

01:28:46.000 Like, when you're doing these hundred-mile runs, you're going to experience discomfort.

01:28:51.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 But I would say, like, even in a 100-mile run, I think what's hardest is the first 10 miles.

01:28:59.000 Because what I don't have is endorphins.

01:29:03.000 And endorphins give you energy.

01:29:05.000 Endorphins mask pain.

01:29:07.000 Endorphins, like, I think, yeah, what's, you know, some...

01:29:13.000 Yeah, like, you assume that the farther you go, the harder it is, but sometimes the farther I go, the easier it gets, which is kind of cool to experience.

01:29:23.000 That makes sense, I guess, up to a point.

01:29:26.000 Yes.

01:29:27.000 But those, like, Moab 240s? 0.97

01:29:29.000 Yes.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, after a while, I would imagine, like, Jesus...

01:29:33.000 I think anything after 24 hours is when things start getting weird just like hallucinating and like sometimes it's the blurred vision.

01:29:43.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 Just because it's messing with your body's natural systems of like we need sleep.

01:29:50.000 Yeah.

01:29:52.000 It's cool to see how you can take these extreme things and make it tolerable for your body.

01:29:57.000 And, like, even liquids.

01:29:59.000 Like, I don't eat food when I do these things.

01:30:02.000 Nothing?

01:30:02.000 No.

01:30:03.000 Just all sports drinks.

01:30:05.000 Gels?

01:30:05.000 Do you take any protein gels or glucose?

01:30:07.000 No.

01:30:08.000 It's mainly, like, sports drink.

01:30:10.000 One of them is called Perpetuum, which has a little bit of protein.

01:30:15.000 And then sometimes I get, like, this flavored-less sports drink and...

01:30:21.000 I don't know if this is true, but I've read certain things about 30% of what you consume is used to break down and use it.

01:30:30.000 If you're eating food, there's a percent that is used to be able to break down that food.

01:30:38.000 So I think it's really helpful to do liquid-based because you don't have to break that down.

01:30:44.000 So more energy can go to movement rather than food.

01:30:48.000 And is this something that you've experienced through trial and error?

01:30:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:52.000 I've definitely...

01:30:53.000 I think the hardest thing is just, like, getting enough calories in.

01:31:02.000 And getting enough and not also having, like, GI issues.

01:31:07.000 Because I think that's common.

01:31:09.000 Just, like...

01:31:10.000 Right.

01:31:12.000 Yeah, I know a lot of people do those little cheeseburgers and all kinds of stuff while they're running.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, I have done that for like Iron Man's, but the more I do it, the more I just kind of treat it like a little science experiment where it's like, okay, what's 30% of what I'm burning and what's like, yeah.

01:31:30.000 And if you adjust to the liquid only, I think it ends up being a lot better.

01:31:36.000 Less can go wrong.

01:31:38.000 Yeah, when you say not getting enough calories, when you have a drink, how many calories are in one of those drinks?

01:31:46.000 I want to say at least 300 calories.

01:31:52.000 It would seem like you need a lot more than that.

01:31:55.000 Well, I've heard that if you take in too much, your body can't even use it.

01:32:01.000 While you're running, you mean?

01:32:02.000 Uh-huh.

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:03.000 But, yeah, that and bananas.

01:32:07.000 Bananas is a big one?

01:32:10.000 Yep.

01:32:11.000 Bananas and sports drink.

01:32:13.000 That's all I need.

01:32:15.000 Now, did you learn how to eat for these things?

01:32:19.000 Did you start off, did you have some bad ideas that you had to like flush out?

01:32:23.000 Um, one time I did do an Ironman and the coach that I was working with is like, it's like you went to the buffet and just had a little bit of everything and like, because I think I had like, like those,

01:32:39.000 not like turkey jerky, but like, Just, like, that kind of thing, and then fruity things, and, um, yeah.

01:32:49.000 I think I was so nervous, and I was like, okay, I need to make sure I have sugar and salt and this, and so, um, that definitely, like, it's not that I had to stop, but it just was like, I didn't feel as good and,

01:33:04.000 um, Yeah, I've definitely felt nauseous during some of these races, but it doesn't help with Ironman that you're kind of hunched over and it's hard to keep anything down.

01:33:19.000 A lot of people can't even keep things down when they're working out at that level.

01:33:28.000 Yeah, I can only imagine.

01:33:30.000 What is your diet like normally?

01:33:32.000 Um, right now I am vegetarian.

01:33:35.000 So, um, I mean, it's nothing special.

01:33:38.000 It's just kind of generally healthy.

01:33:41.000 So vegetarian.

01:33:42.000 So you include eggs?

01:33:43.000 I do.

01:33:44.000 Yeah, it's a good move.

01:33:46.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 Do you have chickens?

01:33:49.000 If you have chickens, it's the best move.

01:33:52.000 It's like your pets.

01:33:54.000 They give you food.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 I don't know.

01:33:57.000 Like, I read something recently about, like, the conditions for people who are working at, like, yeah...

01:34:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:27.000 How can you...

01:34:29.000 I just...

01:34:29.000 Yeah, I think...

01:34:31.000 Oh, that's not good.

01:34:32.000 No.

01:34:32.000 You can't imagine that being good for someone to kill all day long and, like, how that messes with them psychologically.

01:34:39.000 So, for me...

01:34:41.000 One of the first things they look for in serial killers.

01:34:42.000 Exactly!

01:34:43.000 Like, I was...

01:34:44.000 Torture animals.

01:34:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:34:46.000 So, once I started reading stuff like that, I was like, that's okay.

01:34:50.000 I don't want to, like...

01:34:52.000 And I know I could, like, hunt and do those things, but being vegetarian is...

01:34:57.000 I bet you'd enjoy that, the hunting thing, because it's really difficult.

01:35:01.000 I bet you'd find that quite challenging, like an elk hunt.

01:35:05.000 I don't know.

01:35:06.000 I feel like I would feel for the animal, though.

01:35:09.000 You would feel for the animal.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:35:11.000 But you would eat it for a whole year.

01:35:13.000 Probably more.

01:35:15.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 That's why large animals are the way to go.

01:35:20.000 Because it's one death, and you can eat it all year.

01:35:24.000 Yeah.

01:35:25.000 One of my friends just, uh, he got in the lottery, like in Maine, you have a lottery that you could, yeah.

01:35:32.000 And he got in it.

01:35:33.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 It's a hard tag to get in Maine.

01:35:36.000 So once in a lifetime tag, right?

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:38.000 He's been trying to get on it for years and finally did.

01:35:41.000 Maine has some whopper moose, too.

01:35:43.000 Like, if you shoot a moose, you might eat it for two years.

01:35:46.000 Yeah.

01:35:46.000 Because you're talking about an animal that could be, you know, 1,500 pounds plus, and that's on the hoof, probably like 600 pounds of meat.

01:35:55.000 Yeah.

01:35:55.000 Which is crazy.

01:35:56.000 It's a pound of meat almost every day for two years.

01:36:00.000 That's wild.

01:36:01.000 It's wild, yeah.

01:36:02.000 It's the best meat in the world for you, too.

01:36:05.000 It's also just, you understand where meat comes from.

01:36:08.000 You have a much deeper connection to your food than if you're just going and buying Chick-fil-A. Totally.

01:36:16.000 Yeah, we're fucking weird. 0.98

01:36:19.000 What we're doing with animals is weird in this country. 0.98

01:36:21.000 And our solution might be even weirder.

01:36:23.000 There's two solutions, right?

01:36:25.000 One of them is to pretend that this slop that's pushed into a patty is some kind of a meat product when it's beyond meat.

01:36:34.000 It's beyond good for you. 1.00

01:36:35.000 That shit's terrible for you. 1.00

01:36:36.000 If you want to eat vegetarian, you should eat actual, real, whole food. 1.00

01:36:39.000 Eat real vegetables.

01:36:41.000 Vegetables are good for you. 1.00

01:36:42.000 That shit's not good for you. 1.00

01:36:44.000 They've done these studies on rats, and with one of those substitute meat burgers, they've shown increasing liver cancer and all these problems these rats are having. 1.00

01:36:54.000 The other one that's weird is lab-grown meat.

01:36:58.000 That's strange to me.

01:36:59.000 But sounds like it might be a way better alternative than factory farming if they can get it right.

01:37:05.000 But it just seems like, wow, we're moving so close to headless things that you just saw parts off of and they're twitching and trying to get away.

01:37:16.000 But it doesn't matter because they don't have a head.

01:37:18.000 So what are you worried about?

01:37:19.000 It's just nerves.

01:37:20.000 Yeah.

01:37:24.000 The connection that you have to your food when you grow your own vegetables, when you harvest your own meat, that it's a different thing.

01:37:32.000 Food becomes a different thing.

01:37:34.000 It becomes a spiritual thing.

01:37:36.000 That sounds crazy for people to hear.

01:37:39.000 If I eat a piece of elk from an animal that I kill, I'm connected to that.

01:37:44.000 I remember the arrow hitting the animal.

01:37:47.000 I remember carrying it out.

01:37:49.000 I remember stalking it.

01:37:50.000 I remember everything.

01:37:51.000 And I eat it for a year!

01:37:53.000 I give it to my friends.

01:37:55.000 It's like the food is a different thing.

01:37:57.000 If you grow a garden and you have a salad that you pulled from your garden while you're eating that salad, you're connected to that.

01:38:07.000 You planted it.

01:38:08.000 You cleaned it.

01:38:09.000 You harvest it.

01:38:10.000 Like if a leaf drops on the ground, you pick it up and you wash it off.

01:38:13.000 You don't throw it away.

01:38:15.000 You grew that leaf.

01:38:17.000 There's something...

01:38:20.000 We're doing ourselves a severe disservice.

01:38:23.000 And I know most people can't be involved in all of the preparation or the harvesting of their food.

01:38:29.000 They just don't have the time.

01:38:30.000 They have a family, they have a job, they have this, they have that.

01:38:32.000 I get it.

01:38:33.000 But if you can, if you can find the time to grow your own food, if you can find the time, if you eat meat to hunt, I highly recommend it.

01:38:42.000 Totally.

01:38:43.000 Like the college that I went to actually was a farm school.

01:38:47.000 So we worked the farm and then we had like a community service component and like ran the school.

01:38:55.000 But we had our own plots of land and the cafeteria was all from like the cattle.

01:39:02.000 And so it was very crunchy granola.

01:39:05.000 But once you taste food, that's like that it's hard not to eat.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:11.000 Eat that again.

01:39:12.000 Tastes better and you just feel better about it.

01:39:15.000 Yeah.

01:39:15.000 You appreciate it.

01:39:16.000 Yes, you appreciate it.

01:39:17.000 Yeah.

01:39:18.000 We're like some spoiled trust fund kids, their perception of money.

01:39:24.000 It's always there.

01:39:25.000 That's how we feel about meat and food.

01:39:27.000 It's weird.

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 And it's real recent.

01:39:30.000 Human beings have only been allowed to have this luxury over the last 100 years and not really even 100 years.

01:39:38.000 It's really been over the last 50 or 60. And correspondingly, we've gotten way fatter.

01:39:43.000 If you look at people from the 1930s and 1940s, my goodness, those people look slim.

01:39:48.000 I mean, they weren't healthy.

01:39:50.000 It was hard to get food back then.

01:39:51.000 It was difficult, right? 0.97

01:39:53.000 A lot of people were fucking starving in the 1800s, right? 0.98

01:39:56.000 But people now, it's like, this is not the better option to be eating so much that you're fat. 0.99

01:40:03.000 We're so weird that our poor people are fat.

01:40:07.000 Well, it's...

01:40:07.000 That's never happened before.

01:40:09.000 Usually, like, the cheaper food is the not healthy.

01:40:15.000 Like, it's harder to...

01:40:17.000 Like, yeah.

01:40:19.000 I mean, wouldn't you agree that, like, it's...

01:40:23.000 Having...

01:40:26.000 Poor people having to be dealing with obesity is usually because of the, like, what is the, it's like called a food desert when there's places that they don't even have fresh foods.

01:40:41.000 So I think, yeah, like, if you lack financial resources, that's even more reason that you wouldn't be able to access that.

01:40:50.000 But, yeah.

01:40:52.000 Not only that, it's a terrible cycle to try to get out of.

01:40:55.000 If you grow up in that environment, you live in that environment, and you grow up eating that way, and your family eats that way, and the people around you eat that way, and everyone around you is poor, it's super hard to get out of that.

01:41:06.000 Totally.

01:41:07.000 I mean, you kind of adjust to that.

01:41:10.000 I don't know, how certain fast foods have things that make it so that you're more addicted to...

01:41:16.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:41:17.000 A lot of sugar.

01:41:18.000 There's sugar and all that stuff.

01:41:20.000 It's also, you know, like we were talking about before that I've, from having all these conversations with people, my box, my understanding of human beings is way wider.

01:41:30.000 It's way different.

01:41:31.000 Because I've experienced all these people.

01:41:32.000 If you only experience a small number of people, your box would be very small that you put people in.

01:41:38.000 Well, if your environment is so important and if your environment is very limiting and if you're only experiencing bad food and shitty people and poverty and being in this weird crime-ridden area, that's your box.

01:41:55.000 It's very hard for a person like that to escape.

01:41:58.000 It's very hard for a person like that to recalibrate their view of the world.

01:42:03.000 And I don't understand why we don't put more effort into trying to expand the box that these people live in.

01:42:12.000 The perspective that these people have.

01:42:14.000 Because it would benefit everybody.

01:42:17.000 And I don't I've always said this, and I was saying this when Trump was in office and he was like, make America great again.

01:42:25.000 This is how you make America great again.

01:42:27.000 Make it so there's less losers.

01:42:30.000 Less people lose at life.

01:42:31.000 And I don't mean losers like there's something wrong with them.

01:42:33.000 I mean like they got a bad hand.

01:42:36.000 If you're playing poker, And you have four aces, and I have a one. 1.00

01:42:40.000 I'm fucked, right? 0.98

01:42:42.000 And that's a lot of people's lives. 0.99

01:42:44.000 Well, if you have more people who have better hands, then you have a better, stronger country because you have more competition, you have more opportunity, you have more exceptional people.

01:42:54.000 Through that competition, more people are going to rise, more people are going to innovate, more people are going to create businesses and chase their dreams, and it's going to inspire more people, you're going to have less crime.

01:43:04.000 It's great for everybody.

01:43:05.000 Totally.

01:43:05.000 But for whatever reason, There's zero political emphasis on this.

01:43:10.000 Zero.

01:43:11.000 It's never a factor. 0.98

01:43:12.000 Whenever people are running for president, they're never saying, what we gotta do is take these impoverished communities and fucking fix that. 0.96

01:43:19.000 We need to fix that, because it can be fixed. 0.97

01:43:21.000 If we can go to Afghanistan and send thousands of troops and nuclear bombs, Tell me we can't fix Chicago.

01:43:27.000 Tell me we can't fix South Side of Chicago.

01:43:29.000 Tell me we can't fix Detroit or Baltimore.

01:43:32.000 Pick your impoverished neighborhood that's been crime ridden for decade after decade after decade with almost no federal emphasis on repair.

01:43:42.000 Yeah.

01:43:42.000 So if there's one area you think our country could improve the most and what change would you think?

01:43:49.000 Well, there's a bunch of errors, right?

01:43:51.000 But that's a big one.

01:43:52.000 A big one is the way people grow up and the environment they grow up in and the people that grow up without hope and what they're imitating.

01:44:03.000 Because people imitate their atmosphere when they're children, they grow up.

01:44:05.000 You're seeing people that are constantly going to jail, constantly involved in violence, constantly involved in crime, and you become acclimated to that.

01:44:15.000 That's what you're used to.

01:44:18.000 That needs to be fixed.

01:44:20.000 If you grow up in, you know, pick a nice place, you know, some Boulder, Colorado, or whatever, it's not like that, right?

01:44:27.000 It's beautiful.

01:44:28.000 It's kind people.

01:44:29.000 Everybody's friendly.

01:44:30.000 It's different, right?

01:44:31.000 Because you don't have the same pressure.

01:44:33.000 You don't have gangs in Boulder.

01:44:36.000 You don't have all the, you know, so these places, it's just literally a matter of, the universe gave you a shitty roll of the dice, and you were born into a bad neighborhood. 0.60

01:44:48.000 I agree.

01:44:49.000 I guess one of my encouragements in that is like sometimes like when you have, like you said, Boulder, Colorado, everyone's friendly and do like the nice things, right?

01:45:04.000 Not everyone.

01:45:06.000 But the nice things, like sometimes there's the diamond in the rough and sometimes under that pressure, something can be born that wouldn't be born without all the chaos and all the...

01:45:20.000 That's true.

01:45:25.000 Crime and all those heartaches.

01:45:27.000 I have seen the stories.

01:45:29.000 I have, you know, I think anyone can identify with, oh, this thing was really hard, but then this beautiful thing came from it.

01:45:38.000 So, yes, and I think some of the biggest redemption stories come from places where something is so broken that someone rises to do something about it or, I don't know.

01:45:51.000 You know what I mean, right?

01:45:52.000 I do know what you're saying, that through pressure you create diamonds.

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 That is true.

01:45:58.000 But I don't want everyone to have to do that.

01:46:01.000 I feel like you can make your own pressure.

01:46:03.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 Like, look at you.

01:46:05.000 You've made your own pressure, right?

01:46:08.000 I think that challenges are very good for people, but I don't necessarily think the kind of challenges that you get if you're born in the south side of Chicago and you're watching people get shot all the time.

01:46:18.000 Absolutely.

01:46:18.000 I don't think that's...

01:46:19.000 But out of those environments comes a pretty amazing exceptional people because they've risen through all these obstacles and through that adversity they've gained tremendous character.

01:46:32.000 Totally.

01:46:33.000 You get amazing artists, right?

01:46:35.000 You get amazing musicians and comedians and those kinds of people that have come from these horrible environments.

01:46:40.000 That is true.

01:46:41.000 It's almost like you hear that more than you hear, like, oh, everything was perfect, this thing happened.

01:46:47.000 Like, this great...

01:46:49.000 From exceptional people, you mean?

01:46:50.000 Yeah.

01:46:50.000 I would say that's a common thread.

01:46:53.000 Do you want to have children someday?

01:46:55.000 I don't know.

01:46:58.000 You don't know.

01:46:59.000 I don't. 0.99

01:47:01.000 When you have children, one of the things that's ironic is, for me at least, all my favorite people came from a fucked up environment. 0.99

01:47:09.000 All of them. 0.98

01:47:10.000 All of them came from either crime-ridden neighborhoods or horrible upbringings or chaos.

01:47:17.000 And through that, they've developed this amazing character.

01:47:20.000 Because most of my favorite people are either...

01:47:23.000 Fighters, martial artists, or stand-up comedians.

01:47:26.000 That's most of the group that I hang around with.

01:47:27.000 And they're all from chaos.

01:47:30.000 All of them.

01:47:31.000 But through that, I'm just so lucky that I know these exceptional people that are just...

01:47:37.000 They're so...

01:47:39.000 They're so battle-tested.

01:47:41.000 And then some people are just made out of Jell-O. Some people, they're little bags, little skinny, fucking thin-walled, like, Ziploc bags of Jell-O. There's no character, no form, and they just don't have any ability to weather the storm. 0.99

01:48:00.000 Because they never have had to.

01:48:03.000 It's like the character has to be tested for it to... 0.99

01:48:06.000 So as a parent, it's so fucked up because I don't want my kids to struggle. 0.99

01:48:11.000 But it's like how else? 0.99

01:48:12.000 My babies.

01:48:12.000 I don't want them to have a hard time.

01:48:14.000 I want them to be happy and I want them to be loved and I want them to have good friends and I want them to pursue their dreams and have a good time.

01:48:21.000 That's what I want.

01:48:22.000 Everybody to have a good time.

01:48:24.000 But all my favorite people came from madness.

01:48:28.000 So it's weird.

01:48:30.000 So, yeah.

01:48:31.000 So I think...

01:48:34.000 I encourage my kids to do difficult things.

01:48:37.000 And they do.

01:48:38.000 They do do difficult things.

01:48:40.000 They're interested in challenges.

01:48:42.000 And you develop character through those challenges.

01:48:45.000 And I think that's why sports are so important for people. 0.97

01:48:47.000 Because some of the most fucked up people that I know, in terms of psychologically and their ability to cope and adapt and form relationships, they never competed. 0.98

01:48:58.000 They don't know how to lose. 0.99

01:49:00.000 And they consider, because I think there's something in human beings where competing is an inherent, it's a part of your DNA in some strange way.

01:49:11.000 And I think, like, it comes from survival.

01:49:15.000 I think it comes from stealing and conquering and taking from one person because you don't have enough.

01:49:21.000 And there's this weird sort of thing that humans evolved doing when they were just scratching and scrounging before civilization came along.

01:49:28.000 And civilization came along and then it calmed down a little bit because it's like it's less important to do that and more important that everybody stick together and keep the wall strong to keep the invaders from coming in.

01:49:38.000 But if you don't know how to lose, if you don't know how to pick yourself back up and try again, you're not going to be good at relationships.

01:49:48.000 You're not going to be good at compromise.

01:49:50.000 You're not going to be good at understanding defeat.

01:49:53.000 You're not going to be good at understanding objective analysis of your own behavior, objective analysis of your skill set.

01:50:00.000 The people who can't do that are almost all people that have never had those super uncomfortable moments where you do lose.

01:50:08.000 I think those are hugely valuable lessons for people.

01:50:11.000 I was listening to a TED talk and it was about like this guy who set out on a quest to fail and like it at the end it was so hard for him to like or be rejected and like yeah it's almost like our society is so like all about success and like just kind of I know that TED talk you're talking about yeah and he had to try to go to the neighbors and he wanted to like plant a shrub in their front yard and they're Like,

01:50:41.000 no, but this lady down the street would love it. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Okay.

01:50:45.000 And she says no.

01:50:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:48.000 But, like, that is a beautiful thing.

01:50:50.000 And, like, I think, yeah, on any journey to be successful, it's like you have to really get comfortable being unsuccessful or failure.

01:51:00.000 Just being okay with failure.

01:51:03.000 Yeah, it's important.

01:51:07.000 You only get the peaks if you've experienced the valleys. 0.98

01:51:11.000 You don't get those peaks if you're just on a fucking peak all the time. 0.77

01:51:15.000 What's the biggest failure that was hard for you to bounce back from? 0.98

01:51:21.000 I've had a lot of them.

01:51:23.000 I don't know where to start.

01:51:24.000 As a comedian, you have a lot of them because you bomb a lot, especially in the beginning.

01:51:27.000 There's a lot of bombing.

01:51:29.000 And then before that, I was a martial artist.

01:51:32.000 I'm still a martial artist, but I used to fight, so I lost.

01:51:36.000 Losing in fights, that's the worst. 1.00

01:51:39.000 But not just losing in fights, but just losing in training because you're training and you get your ass kicked in the gym. 1.00

01:51:45.000 That's terrible. 0.99

01:51:46.000 I mean, when you lose, it hurts for you.

01:51:49.000 Like, when I lose, it doesn't have the same...

01:51:54.000 Even when you win, it hurts a lot.

01:51:55.000 Yeah.

01:51:56.000 Yeah.

01:51:58.000 And it just hurts everywhere.

01:52:00.000 Like, your arms hurt, and you realize, oh, I got kicked there.

01:52:03.000 Like, how come I can't pick something up with my left arm?

01:52:06.000 And then you realize, like, oh, yeah, I took a shin to my elbow. 0.93

01:52:10.000 Now my elbow's fucked up for a couple weeks. 0.82

01:52:13.000 Or I didn't tap out to this arm, and now I can't do a chin-up for a few weeks. 0.92

01:52:18.000 Because I decided I was going to try to be a meathead and muscle out of something instead of tapping.

01:52:23.000 And now I can't do a chin-up.

01:52:24.000 Like, and now my neck doesn't work so good because someone caught me in a guillotine.

01:52:28.000 Yeah, there's always that.

01:52:30.000 I think martial arts are a great vehicle for that.

01:52:33.000 What I always say is, and I learned this from my Taekwondo instructor when I was a kid, that martial arts is a vehicle for developing your human potential.

01:52:42.000 What you think you're doing is you're trying to win exchanges and fights and sparring rounds.

01:52:49.000 But what you're really trying to do is get better.

01:52:51.000 You're trying to get better and the problem is presenting itself in the form of this thinking, intelligent person that also can do all the things you can do.

01:53:02.000 So you're not kicking an inanimate object.

01:53:06.000 You're trying to kick a person who knows that you're trying to kick them.

01:53:09.000 And they know how to kick you and they're trying to kick you.

01:53:11.000 And so you're both doing it at the same time.

01:53:13.000 And it's this wild exchange of bones and technique. 0.99

01:53:18.000 And the consequences are terrible if you fuck up. 0.98

01:53:22.000 Do you have a lot of adrenaline when you go into all these fights? 0.98

01:53:25.000 Well, I haven't done it in a long time.

01:53:27.000 Now I just spar.

01:53:28.000 And I hardly ever...

01:53:30.000 I haven't kickbox sparred in more than a year.

01:53:33.000 And the jujitsu sparring is not as scary.

01:53:36.000 Because the jujitsu sparring is...

01:53:37.000 You're just trying to choke each other.

01:53:39.000 And you can always tap.

01:53:42.000 The consequences...

01:53:45.000 The scary thing about jujitsu is injuring yourself, right? 0.99

01:53:48.000 It's like you get an ankle rolls and then your knee pops or you get caught in a funny thing and your neck gets fucked up. 0.96

01:53:56.000 That's what's scary about jujitsu. 0.73

01:53:58.000 And what's scary for a lot of people that do jujitsu is the idea that you're going to get hurt and you're not going to be able to do it because people get so addicted to it.

01:54:06.000 Oh yeah, I feel like the hardest thing is not actually starting, it's stopping.

01:54:12.000 And for me, now I'm at a place where it's like, I'm not afraid of going, I'm afraid of going too far.

01:54:20.000 Going so far that, I mean, rhabda was the last one.

01:54:26.000 Just knowing the limit.

01:54:29.000 Have you ever tried any martial arts?

01:54:32.000 No.

01:54:32.000 You're really strong.

01:54:34.000 I'm sure you'd be great at jiu-jitsu.

01:54:35.000 Well, thank you. 0.99

01:54:37.000 If you could fucking row across the entire... 0.99

01:54:40.000 I mean, my goodness! 0.99

01:54:41.000 What kind of core strength and leg strength and shoulder strength you must have. 0.99

01:54:45.000 You must be strong as fuck. 0.99

01:54:46.000 I mean... 1.00

01:54:47.000 You have to be.

01:54:48.000 To do Ironmans, do all that stuff, and to have that kind of endurance, you'd probably be amazing at Jiu-Jitsu.

01:54:53.000 You just gotta work on your flexibility.

01:54:55.000 Oh, okay.

01:54:57.000 No, but you probably would love it.

01:54:59.000 I don't know about injury, though.

01:55:02.000 Eh.

01:55:02.000 You know?

01:55:03.000 I don't want to...

01:55:04.000 You don't get injured all the time, you know?

01:55:07.000 It seems like you get more injured than ultra stuff. 0.89

01:55:11.000 I would imagine you guys get a lot of stress fractures and Goggins sent me some pictures of his fucking knees where he got his knees drained and it was like these three giant tubes of blood that were in his knees. 0.99

01:55:23.000 I mean giant fucking syringes of blood and pus in his knees. 0.98

01:55:29.000 Yeah, I've never experienced anything like that. 1.00

01:55:32.000 Well, he's crazy, though.

01:55:34.000 If he's hurt, you're never going to hear about it. 0.90

01:55:36.000 He's just going to keep going.

01:55:37.000 What was that?

01:55:38.000 Yeah, I said if he's hurt, you're never going to hear about it.

01:55:40.000 He's just going to keep going.

01:55:41.000 So he's got all this, you know, injuries compound and just has to get his knees drained.

01:55:49.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 My friend's a doctor who worked on him, and they sent me pictures of the pus and the blood.

01:55:57.000 But why?

01:55:58.000 Because his knees swole up from running because he's constantly running like ridiculous miles.

01:56:04.000 I know people who run ridiculous miles and do not have whatever that.

01:56:09.000 They should run with David Goggins.

01:56:13.000 He sends me text messages out of nowhere.

01:56:15.000 Stay hard!

01:56:16.000 Just out of nowhere.

01:56:17.000 Just tells you to stay hard.

01:56:20.000 Okay.

01:56:21.000 Have you ever seen his videos online?

01:56:23.000 Well, okay, here's the thing.

01:56:24.000 You could have fun.

01:56:26.000 You could stay hard, but you could have fun.

01:56:28.000 Uh-uh.

01:56:28.000 He doesn't have any fun.

01:56:30.000 He's not interested in having fun.

01:56:31.000 He does have fun.

01:56:32.000 I've had fun with him.

01:56:33.000 I've taken him to UFC fights.

01:56:34.000 We've had dinner together.

01:56:35.000 He's fun.

01:56:36.000 He's great to hang out with.

01:56:37.000 You could run 100 miles and have fun.

01:56:40.000 He's not interested in that. 0.98

01:56:41.000 He's interested in killing demons.

01:56:44.000 Some of these, even professional triathletes, like Christy Wellington, she always looks like she's having fun. 0.81

01:56:51.000 Yeah.

01:56:52.000 Huge smile. 1.00

01:56:53.000 David Goggins is interested in taking those demons inside of his head and making them his bitch. 1.00

01:56:59.000 He could have fun, too. 1.00

01:57:01.000 He's missing out on some fun. 1.00

01:57:02.000 Make those demons your bitch! 1.00

01:57:04.000 Those demons ain't going away! 1.00

01:57:07.000 You ever seen his videos that he has on Instagram?

01:57:09.000 Yeah, I see.

01:57:10.000 I have seen some of his stuff.

01:57:11.000 Do they get you uncomfortable?

01:57:13.000 Well, I'm just like, we could have fun.

01:57:16.000 No, no, no.

01:57:17.000 There's no fun!

01:57:19.000 His fun is that.

01:57:20.000 That is his fun. 1.00

01:57:21.000 His fun is making demons his bitch. 1.00

01:57:22.000 Okay. 0.99

01:57:23.000 Well, I just mean like you could do the same thing.

01:57:25.000 Yes.

01:57:26.000 And you could do them in different ways.

01:57:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:28.000 And I prefer doing it in a fun way.

01:57:30.000 This is a new one?

01:57:32.000 Pretty new one.

01:57:33.000 Go to that one that I put up on my Instagram because it's hilarious.

01:57:38.000 I put a bunch of them up. 0.99

01:57:40.000 But one of the more recent ones that I put up where he was talking about making his demons his bitch. 0.97

01:57:46.000 That like, you know, he came from a place, I think what's encouraging for his story is like, he was like 300 pounds. 0.94

01:57:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:54.000 He developed this mindset because he was just embarrassed by how weak he felt.

01:58:01.000 He just felt like he was weak and he's soft and he allowed himself to get horribly out of shape.

01:58:07.000 There it is right there.

01:58:09.000 I think I've seen this one.

01:58:12.000 I'm training for life.

01:58:15.000 2020 was a perfect example of that.

01:58:19.000 A lot of people lost jobs, lost businesses, lost family members.

01:58:25.000 A lot of folks spent a lot of time in the hospital on ventilators.

01:58:30.000 That should have caused a lot of demons in your brain.

01:58:34.000 Folks see how much that work out and they think I'm running from demons.

01:58:40.000 It's not demons.

01:58:42.000 It's discipline.

01:58:44.000 And I'm a disciple of discipline.

01:58:46.000 You can't outrun your demons.

01:58:49.000 They'll always find you. 1.00

01:58:51.000 Only way to beat them motherfuckers is to look at them eye to eye and make them your bitch. 1.00

01:58:59.000 Mindset's the only thing that gets you through hard times. 1.00

01:59:04.000 Merry fucking Christmas! 1.00

01:59:08.000 You will not see a video like that. 1.00

01:59:11.000 I love that guy so much.

01:59:14.000 I love him so much.

01:59:16.000 I'm just so happy he's out there. 1.00

01:59:18.000 Make him your bitch! 1.00

01:59:20.000 Look those demons in the eye! 1.00

01:59:23.000 While he's running!

01:59:24.000 And you know, he's really thinking those thoughts.

01:59:26.000 That is not insincere.

01:59:27.000 You know, there's a lot of people that have these hype-up, motivational things.

01:59:30.000 What you need to do with your life is you need to get everything together.

01:59:33.000 You need to get out there and get motivated and get pumped up and have some positive energy and go out there and attack the world! 1.00

01:59:40.000 You know, they're full of shit. 1.00

01:59:41.000 These are empty promises. 1.00

01:59:43.000 This is a hollow vessel.

01:59:44.000 That dude is thinking that while he's saying it, while he's doing it. 1.00

01:59:49.000 He's in there, he's running, while he's saying those words, he's thinking, I'm making those demons my bitch. 1.00

01:59:56.000 And he's doing it. 0.99

01:59:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:58.000 And you know how people saw that video and just said, fuck it, I'm going out. 0.99

02:00:02.000 And they just put the running shoes on, they just start running, or they hit the gym, they started doing chin-ups, they started doing something. 0.99

02:00:07.000 That guy, he is an engine of motivation.

02:00:11.000 Hmm.

02:00:12.000 He makes things happen.

02:00:14.000 Just his life, leading by example, makes things happen.

02:00:19.000 Yeah.

02:00:20.000 I see it.

02:00:21.000 I know, but you're not that way.

02:00:22.000 But you don't have to be that way.

02:00:23.000 You can have a good time and smile through your trials and tribulations.

02:00:28.000 I mean, I think what is also underrated is habit.

02:00:32.000 There's motivation and then there's habit.

02:00:36.000 I don't know.

02:00:39.000 Here's what I've experienced about motivation.

02:00:44.000 Most people think you have to be motivated before you run 100 miles or before you run a mile or before you do things.

02:00:52.000 But I find that motivation happens while or after you begin.

02:00:57.000 Like running one mile makes it easier to run the next mile.

02:01:01.000 Or like whatever it is, if you're writing a paper, it's a lot easier after you write the first page.

02:01:06.000 So like...

02:01:07.000 I don't even think motivation is that important.

02:01:12.000 Like, you don't need to wait to be motivated to do anything.

02:01:15.000 You just do it, and then motivation...

02:01:17.000 It's kind of like motivation equals movement, and it's easier to move once you kick the ball, and so the ball just keeps moving.

02:01:25.000 So even motivation, it's like, yes, of course, it's important, but if you just say, oh, I'm just going to do it, and motivation will eventually show up, it's kind of like you're...

02:01:41.000 I don't know if motivation...

02:01:44.000 Do you see what I mean?

02:01:47.000 I completely agree with you that motivation is not primary.

02:01:52.000 Discipline is primary.

02:01:53.000 Correct.

02:01:54.000 Exactly.

02:01:55.000 Motivation is like feelings.

02:01:59.000 We don't say, oh, do I feel like brushing my teeth today?

02:02:05.000 Do I feel like doing this?

02:02:06.000 Sometimes it's just like you make a choice, and whether you feel or don't feel, you've already just made a commitment, and you just understand that sometimes you feel or don't feel, but eh.

02:02:18.000 I completely agree with you.

02:02:19.000 I feel like motivation is like, for me it's dessert.

02:02:24.000 What's important is the food.

02:02:26.000 Yes.

02:02:26.000 But I like dessert too.

02:02:27.000 That's true.

02:02:28.000 So motivation is dessert.

02:02:29.000 So sometimes I just like motivation. 0.98

02:02:32.000 Sometimes I just want to listen to some fucking crazy music and watch fights on the TV and work out like a monster. 0.99

02:02:39.000 Just go crazy. 1.00

02:02:40.000 Totally. 0.71

02:02:41.000 And I need motivation.

02:02:42.000 Like, that's my motivation.

02:02:43.000 Like, argh! 0.69

02:02:44.000 And go crazy.

02:02:44.000 But the bulk of the work gets done where I, like, have a cup of coffee, I get up in the morning, and I don't want to do it.

02:02:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:02:52.000 I'm not feeling like, oh, I'm going to go work out like a fucking savage. 0.98

02:02:56.000 No. 0.99

02:02:57.000 I'm not thinking that.

02:02:58.000 But I have a schedule.

02:02:59.000 Exactly.

02:03:00.000 And so, like, especially, like, my kickboxing workout days, I know exactly what I have to do.

02:03:04.000 So I start the timer, and I have three rounds of shadowboxing with weights.

02:03:08.000 So I do the three rounds, and then I have six rounds on the Wrecking Ball bag, and then I have six rounds on the Thai bag.

02:03:14.000 And then by the time I'm done with the Wrecking Ball bag, I am nine rounds in, I'm soaked with sweat, music is playing, and now I'm going.

02:03:24.000 Now I'm going.

02:03:24.000 Now everything is super energetic.

02:03:28.000 But it's because I made myself do it.

02:03:31.000 Because in the beginning, I work out most of the time at 9 in the morning.

02:03:35.000 I want to work out at 9 in the morning.

02:03:37.000 I don't want to do that.

02:03:38.000 I don't want to do that.

02:03:39.000 But I have to do that.

02:03:40.000 So I do that.

02:03:41.000 And just one foot in front of the other, and next thing you know, it's happening.

02:03:45.000 What I love about the kickboxing workout days, when I do those, is I have a timer.

02:03:50.000 I have this title.

02:03:52.000 There's a company that makes this boxing timer.

02:03:54.000 And it shows me a red light when I don't have to go and a green light when I go.

02:04:00.000 And the green light goes on.

02:04:01.000 It goes ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

02:04:03.000 And then I have three rounds of savagery.

02:04:06.000 And then after that, it'll give me a whole minute where I can drink water and rest.

02:04:11.000 And I know it's coming.

02:04:13.000 Here it comes.

02:04:14.000 And ding, ding, ding!

02:04:15.000 Round starts again.

02:04:16.000 So I'm on a schedule.

02:04:18.000 I can't deviate.

02:04:19.000 The schedule's clear.

02:04:20.000 It's right in front of you.

02:04:22.000 You have to do it.

02:04:24.000 So that's like...

02:04:26.000 Like, schedules are really important.

02:04:29.000 Like, you can't say, oh, I'm going to work out.

02:04:31.000 What am I going to do?

02:04:32.000 Hmm. 1.00

02:04:33.000 You know, fucking write it out, bitch. 1.00

02:04:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:34.000 Write down what you're going to do. 1.00

02:04:35.000 And then just go do that.

02:04:37.000 Totally.

02:04:37.000 And then once you start doing it, once you're a couple steps in, three, four movements in, you know, you're on your third set, you're on your fifth set, then you're in it.

02:04:45.000 Then you're in it.

02:04:46.000 Then you're sweating.

02:04:46.000 Then everything's going.

02:04:47.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:04:47.000 But for someone who's maybe really thinking like, I gotta get my shit together. 0.93

02:04:52.000 I don't know what's wrong with me. 0.69

02:04:54.000 You watch a video like that.

02:04:55.000 That is where motivation comes in.

02:04:59.000 Motivation is like those embers.

02:05:00.000 Those very first few embers. 1.00

02:05:02.000 You can't heat your fucking house with embers. 1.00

02:05:05.000 You need logs. 1.00

02:05:06.000 You need a fire.

02:05:07.000 You need to chop the wood.

02:05:08.000 You need to do all that work.

02:05:09.000 But sometimes people just need a video.

02:05:12.000 They need something.

02:05:14.000 That's true.

02:05:14.000 And just, I think, just seeing someone else do it.

02:05:17.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 Because then you're not the person, like, if you see someone else, then you're like, okay, if he's doing it, I can too.

02:05:24.000 But, yeah, I've watched videos like that when I was training to do, like, pull-ups and just seeing, because, yeah, I felt like that.

02:05:33.000 How many pull-ups can you do in a row?

02:05:35.000 Right now, I don't think I could do more than the couple.

02:05:40.000 What was at your best?

02:05:42.000 Like 10. That's pretty good.

02:05:44.000 Oh, cool.

02:05:45.000 Don't you think?

02:05:47.000 The most push-ups was like 50, and then the most...

02:05:50.000 Wow, that's a lot.

02:05:52.000 I was happy about that one.

02:05:53.000 That's pretty good.

02:05:54.000 Because it was for Coast Guard training, and that was the maximum that the females could do. 0.98

02:06:00.000 That's the maximum they let you do?

02:06:02.000 That you can get to get...

02:06:05.000 We get tested on...

02:06:08.000 For officer training, we were tested for running, sit-ups, and push-ups.

02:06:14.000 So push-ups, you're the top of the food chain.

02:06:16.000 Yeah, that's impressive.

02:06:17.000 That's 50s a lot.

02:06:19.000 But for a woman, 10 chin-ups is a lot. 1.00

02:06:21.000 That's, you know, strict chin-ups.

02:06:24.000 Yeah.

02:06:24.000 That's a lot.

02:06:25.000 I was definitely training for that and, like, for a summer.

02:06:31.000 When I see those CrossFit, those kipping ones, I was like, I don't know if that's the way to do it. 1.00

02:06:39.000 No.

02:06:39.000 I mean, there's probably a benefit in that.

02:06:41.000 There's something to it.

02:06:42.000 It does look weird, though.

02:06:44.000 Well, you know, there's a guy named Fedor Melianenko.

02:06:47.000 He's probably one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time.

02:06:50.000 He used to be the heavyweight champion of Pride.

02:06:52.000 And I used to watch him do that.

02:06:54.000 He always did those kipping pull-ups. 0.94

02:06:55.000 I would probably have made fun of them if I didn't see Fedor doing them.

02:06:59.000 I'm like, maybe there's something to it.

02:07:01.000 Yeah.

02:07:02.000 Maybe.

02:07:02.000 But it seems like it's not as hard.

02:07:05.000 I mean, when I was, like, specifically trying to do it, I would definitely be, like, when I was going down, that was when I would try to take as much time versus even going up.

02:07:20.000 Yeah, me too.

02:07:21.000 Yeah.

02:07:21.000 Because that seems like the way to do it.

02:07:25.000 Do you ever do CrossFit or anything like that?

02:07:27.000 I have done it in the, like, sometimes in the winters I'll do it, but I mainly like doing body weight.

02:07:37.000 Like, right now I'm doing a lot of barre, which, like you were saying earlier, like...

02:07:43.000 That's B-A-R-R-E, right? 0.98

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 For people at home?

02:07:46.000 Yes.

02:07:47.000 Like, what does she mean?

02:07:48.000 She goes to the barre? 0.99

02:07:49.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.98

02:07:50.000 But some of these workouts, I'm only using five pound weights and I could totally blow out my muscle groups and stuff. 0.98

02:08:01.000 I have these egg weights that I shadow box with.

02:08:04.000 They're five pounds.

02:08:05.000 Five pounds in each hand.

02:08:08.000 It's hard.

02:08:08.000 Especially the ones where you're like that.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 You don't need a lot of weight for a lot of extras.

02:08:14.000 Especially when your shoulders are extended with weight.

02:08:17.000 Like when you do I's, Y's, and T's.

02:08:19.000 You know those?

02:08:20.000 You don't need like 15 pounds.

02:08:22.000 It's a lot when you're doing those.

02:08:24.000 It seems like it shouldn't be, but it is.

02:08:27.000 You know?

02:08:27.000 Definitely the shoulder stuff.

02:08:29.000 Yeah.

02:08:30.000 I can tell, like, all you need is 5'10".

02:08:33.000 Yeah, a small amount of weight.

02:08:34.000 I use, do you know what club bells are?

02:08:36.000 You ever use those?

02:08:37.000 They're these, like, it's like a club.

02:08:40.000 Like a small baseball bat made out of steel.

02:08:43.000 And I do a crazy workout with them with 15 pounds.

02:08:48.000 Where it's called, you know what a shield cast is?

02:08:51.000 No, this is fancy stuff.

02:08:53.000 Shield cast is like, if you had it in your hand like this, like this, if this was the bar, you'd go like this, around, and then you hold it in front, and then you hold it in front like that.

02:09:03.000 And it's amazing for shoulder mobility and shoulder strength and endurance, and it's really good stuff.

02:09:12.000 And it's 15 pounds. 0.99

02:09:14.000 It's like if someone's like, alright, we're going to work out hard today, pick up the 15 pounds, people are like, get out of here, bitch. 0.99

02:09:20.000 He's doing a two-hander one. 0.97

02:09:22.000 So he's doing it with a, that looks like a heavier club.

02:09:24.000 That looks like probably maybe 25 or maybe even 35 pounds, which is a great way to work out, too, for the 35 pounds.

02:09:34.000 And again, people would say, 35 pounds? 1.00

02:09:36.000 I need shit, bro. 1.00

02:09:36.000 I need heavier. 1.00

02:09:37.000 Have you been able to do workouts with people on your show, like David Goggins?

02:09:42.000 I worked out with some people on the show.

02:09:43.000 Cam Haynes is a good buddy of mine.

02:09:45.000 We've worked out a bunch of times.

02:09:46.000 The runner?

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 Well, he's a bow hunter.

02:09:50.000 He's a weird guy in a good way.

02:09:53.000 He got into running so he could have more endurance for bow hunting because he hunts elk in the mountains.

02:09:58.000 He considers that the ultimate challenge. 0.89

02:10:02.000 Yeah, so all of his endurance and all of his 100-mile races and all that shit, he got into all that, all of his crazy workout routines and lifting weights routines.

02:10:10.000 He got into that entirely to be the best bowhunter on Earth, and he arguably is.

02:10:15.000 He's certainly in the top three.

02:10:18.000 This is a tight argument for who's number one.

02:10:21.000 I tend to think he's number one because there's no one else who could do the stuff that he does on top of that, the physical things he does on top of that.

02:10:28.000 So he can get to places that other people...

02:10:30.000 Sometimes you'll see an elk, they'll cross a ridge, and you have to get to them before they get to a valley where they'll be out in the open.

02:10:38.000 He can get there quicker than anybody can.

02:10:40.000 And he can get there and not be tired.

02:10:42.000 So he could literally run after this animal, and his heart rate will be at a totally manageable level. 0.99

02:10:49.000 Whereas if I went after it, I'd be fucking dead. 1.00

02:10:52.000 Or fat guys, fucked. 1.00

02:10:54.000 He can get to places quicker. 1.00

02:10:56.000 And so his idea was...

02:10:58.000 I need to be in the best possible shape that I can to be the most successful.

02:11:04.000 It's something that generally has a less than 10% success rate is bow hunting for elk.

02:11:12.000 For the average person.

02:11:13.000 Not for a person like him, but for the average person.

02:11:15.000 But even a person like him, he's never unsuccessful.

02:11:18.000 Like every year he's successful, which is just nuts.

02:11:21.000 Like most people, you know, every year or two you come up empty because it's hard.

02:11:26.000 It's a hard thing to do.

02:11:27.000 Even if you're really good at it and you practice all the time, it's a difficult pursuit.

02:11:31.000 So his thing is very different than other people's thing because he's not doing it just to test himself.

02:11:38.000 He is definitely doing that, but he's also doing it because he wants to be the best bow hunter on earth.

02:11:44.000 So is that common for bow hunters to also train with like doing running?

02:11:49.000 It is because of him.

02:11:51.000 He's changed the world, like literally.

02:11:53.000 The world of bow hunting is forever changed because of him, 100%.

02:11:58.000 Yeah, he's got...

02:12:05.000 We're good to go.

02:12:20.000 Since he started doing them, he's been doing it for decades, but they've actually developed these athletic contests that have to do with getting fit just for hunting.

02:12:32.000 So there's a bunch of different organizations that provide various workouts specifically designed for mountain hunters.

02:12:46.000 Because you're dealing with high altitude, very steep inclines, very difficult terrain.

02:12:51.000 You have to be fit.

02:12:53.000 It's the number one problem when I've talked to my friends that are guides that know the terrain and take people professionally to hunt.

02:13:02.000 I go, what's the number one problem?

02:13:04.000 It's like fitness.

02:13:05.000 The number one problem with the clients is fitness.

02:13:07.000 Because a lot of these people just can't keep up.

02:13:09.000 I wonder if they have similar workouts to firefighters and just carrying gear and stairs.

02:13:17.000 They say it's legs and lungs.

02:13:18.000 Those are the two most important things for an elk hunter to be successful.

02:13:22.000 Legs and lungs.

02:13:23.000 You have to have leg endurance and you have to have cardiovascular fitness.

02:13:26.000 That makes sense.

02:13:27.000 And those are things that most men hate to work on. 0.99

02:13:32.000 You know, everybody just wants to be fucking jacked. 0.99

02:13:35.000 They don't want to look good. 0.99

02:13:36.000 But that's pretty easy.

02:13:38.000 It's like lifting weights, like that kind of lifting weights, like to be pumped, it's not easy.

02:13:43.000 You know, if it was easy, everybody would do it.

02:13:45.000 But it's way easier than running up hills. 0.99

02:13:49.000 Like running up hills is fucking terrible. 0.99

02:13:51.000 It is the worst. 0.99

02:13:53.000 But running down hills is really fun.

02:13:56.000 You like running down hills?

02:13:57.000 So I officiated my friend's wedding on Mount Rainier.

02:14:01.000 And the last three miles were like snow fields.

02:14:05.000 And we brought tarps and we were like luging down.

02:14:08.000 Oh wow.

02:14:09.000 It was amazing.

02:14:10.000 That sounds fun.

02:14:10.000 But then the rest of it you could like run down.

02:14:13.000 It's, yeah, running down hills is really cool.

02:14:16.000 You should try.

02:14:17.000 Okay.

02:14:20.000 You just feel like you're flying.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, I get it.

02:14:23.000 It seems like a lot of pounding though.

02:14:24.000 Is it pounding on your knees?

02:14:27.000 I think it's kind of like similar to if you were like jumping on a trampoline or very light and springy as long as you're not locking out your knees.

02:14:35.000 Yeah, I say yes, but like I'm also a midfoot runner, so I think that helps.

02:14:42.000 As opposed to a heel runner?

02:14:43.000 Yeah, heel striker.

02:14:44.000 I think like heel striking is like three times the impact.

02:14:48.000 Yeah, must be.

02:14:49.000 Terrible for you.

02:14:50.000 Isn't that amazing that that's all because of Nike?

02:14:52.000 Yeah.

02:14:53.000 Then they made the running shoe and made the heel part fat so you could run on your heels and they changed people's gait.

02:14:59.000 Yeah, well, now shoes are different for sure.

02:15:02.000 But it's pretty bizarre that they did that.

02:15:05.000 Yeah.

02:15:06.000 Like people forever ran on the balls of their feet.

02:15:08.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 I mean, yeah, now looking back, it's like, well, yeah, that makes sense.

02:15:12.000 It's where all the padding is and how we walk when we're not in shoes.

02:15:16.000 Yeah, I mean, what's crazy is that your foot is designed as a spring.

02:15:22.000 Yeah.

02:15:22.000 Like, it actually reduces the impact.

02:15:25.000 It actually catches you.

02:15:27.000 Yeah.

02:15:27.000 And lets it, you know, lets it just decelerate.

02:15:32.000 They're definitely getting better with like the wider toe boxes too.

02:15:36.000 So that you can actually use your toes and splay them out.

02:15:41.000 Yes.

02:15:42.000 Yeah.

02:15:42.000 Wider toe boxes are big.

02:15:43.000 I have wide feet.

02:15:44.000 So for me that's very important.

02:15:46.000 Like narrow running shoes.

02:15:48.000 I was running on those Vibrams for a while.

02:15:50.000 Those five toe shoes.

02:15:51.000 You don't like those?

02:15:53.000 You can...

02:15:54.000 Look at your face.

02:15:57.000 You don't like the way they look, or you don't like the way they feel?

02:15:59.000 Wait, are those those little toe jam ones? 0.84

02:16:01.000 Yeah, the toe shoes.

02:16:03.000 You don't like the way they look?

02:16:04.000 I don't like the way they feel.

02:16:06.000 Like, toe jam.

02:16:10.000 They're toe jam shoes.

02:16:11.000 Like, because they feel like something's stuck in between your toes.

02:16:15.000 Yeah, like, it's not supposed to be there.

02:16:18.000 But do you think there's any benefit to each toe being able to articulate?

02:16:22.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:16:24.000 Like, you're using different muscles in your feet and your legs.

02:16:28.000 And so, yeah, absolutely.

02:16:30.000 Because if you don't have that, you know...

02:16:33.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

02:16:35.000 Have you ever seen that image of, it's the early 1900s, Native American Thorpe?

02:16:42.000 Jim Thorpe.

02:16:43.000 Jim Thorpe.

02:16:43.000 Jim Thorpe when he won the Olympics.

02:16:45.000 He won the Olympics and someone had stolen his shoes.

02:16:48.000 So he found a pair of shoes in the garbage and they were mismatched and one of them was bigger than the other one.

02:16:54.000 So on one of them he wore two socks. 0.99

02:16:57.000 He had like extra socks on one of them and they're two different colors and he won the fucking gold medal with these shoes. 0.98

02:17:03.000 He needs an extra medal for that. 0.96

02:17:04.000 And they look like shoes that people wore when they would like work in an office or something.

02:17:10.000 That's him.

02:17:11.000 That is hilarious.

02:17:13.000 That's him. 1.00

02:17:13.000 When he won the fucking gold medal in the Olympics with those shoes on. 1.00

02:17:17.000 Been better off being barefoot though? 1.00

02:17:19.000 I don't know.

02:17:21.000 Looks like he's got spikes in them things.

02:17:23.000 See?

02:17:23.000 Wow.

02:17:25.000 Doesn't that look like spikes in the front of both of them?

02:17:28.000 Totally does, right?

02:17:29.000 Yeah.

02:17:31.000 Look at that.

02:17:31.000 I've definitely done like that.

02:17:33.000 1912 Olympics.

02:17:34.000 Jim, pull that up a little.

02:17:35.000 Jim, an American Indian from Oklahoma, represented in the U.S. in track and field.

02:17:39.000 In the morning of his competitions, his shoes were stolen. 1.00

02:17:42.000 Probably by the fucking Russians. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Jim ended up finding two shoes in a garbage can. 1.00

02:17:47.000 That's the pair.

02:17:48.000 He's wearing this photo.

02:17:49.000 But one of the shoes was too big, so he had to wear an extra sock.

02:17:52.000 Wearing those shoes, Jim won two gold medals that day.

02:17:55.000 Isn't that amazing?

02:17:57.000 Yeah.

02:17:59.000 It's a hard man right there.

02:18:08.000 So there you go.

02:18:09.000 You're like, I don't know what to say to that.

02:18:12.000 But I mean, what people wore back then.

02:18:15.000 But the other thing about shoes back then is they're basically minimalist shoes if you look at it, right?

02:18:21.000 Yeah.

02:18:22.000 Like when Jesse Owens ran, if you look at his shoes, those were what you would consider a minimalist shoe today.

02:18:28.000 Yeah.

02:18:29.000 Right?

02:18:29.000 Like all the padding, all that jazz, that's kind of non-existent back then.

02:18:34.000 Yeah, I mean I know that people do the barefoot stuff and I think that just being on concrete, like the last ultra I did was like running across Maine and it was all concrete and even then I had edema which is like swelling of your ankles and stuff.

02:18:55.000 How bad?

02:18:58.000 Yeah, it was pretty bad.

02:19:00.000 Like, it was bruised.

02:19:01.000 What do you do when you get out of there, when something like that's over?

02:19:04.000 How do you recover from...

02:19:05.000 Um, so I, like, the first hundred miler I did, I remember waking up and, like, I had to go to the bathroom and I was like, okay, time to go to the bathroom.

02:19:17.000 And I remember, like, telling my legs to move and they didn't.

02:19:20.000 So I was, like, physically...

02:19:22.000 Oh, wow.

02:19:23.000 Yeah.

02:19:24.000 I didn't...

02:19:24.000 That was a first.

02:19:25.000 Um, so usually it takes, like, two days for me to be able to, like, walk again.

02:19:31.000 Um, Like, normally.

02:19:33.000 Stairs are usually really hard, but usually, like, for a lot of these events, I don't sleep well the first night just because I still have so much, like, adrenaline and so much, like, just really amped up.

02:19:49.000 But then, yeah, it's just a matter of, like, sleeping a lot and doing, like, light walks.

02:19:58.000 Do you use those Normatec boots?

02:20:01.000 I have.

02:20:02.000 There's a treadmill gym in Portland that I've used them after some of my...

02:20:08.000 You don't have a pair?

02:20:09.000 No.

02:20:09.000 Can we get you a pair?

02:20:10.000 I don't know.

02:20:11.000 Can you?

02:20:11.000 Yeah, I'll get you a pair.

02:20:12.000 Woo! 0.99

02:20:13.000 I'm thinking of doing another running adventure.

02:20:16.000 Okay.

02:20:16.000 What are you going to do?

02:20:18.000 It's a world.

02:20:20.000 A world record?

02:20:21.000 Yeah, I can't.

02:20:22.000 You can't tell anybody?

02:20:23.000 Can't tell.

02:20:23.000 Can we help?

02:20:24.000 Can we sponsor you or something?

02:20:26.000 Yeah, that'd be amazing.

02:20:27.000 All right, we're in.

02:20:28.000 All right.

02:20:29.000 It's in June.

02:20:31.000 In June?

02:20:31.000 Okay.

02:20:32.000 All right, well, we'll talk off air.

02:20:34.000 All right.

02:20:34.000 You can't spill the beans on the program.

02:20:37.000 But when you announce it, then can you spill the beans?

02:20:41.000 Sure.

02:20:41.000 Okay, so you want to come back right before you do it?

02:20:44.000 Sure.

02:20:44.000 Okay, let's do it.

02:20:45.000 Okay.

02:20:46.000 We'll pump it up.

02:20:46.000 Alright, sounds good.

02:20:49.000 We'll get Noma Tech to hook you up.

02:20:50.000 Okay, yeah.

02:20:51.000 That would be amazing.

02:20:53.000 Yeah, you need those.

02:20:54.000 How do you not have those?

02:20:56.000 Well, I like...

02:20:57.000 I'm a little bit of like on a shoestring kind of adventurer sometimes, but...

02:21:03.000 We'll take care of it.

02:21:05.000 Oh my god, thank you so much.

02:21:07.000 No problem.

02:21:08.000 Yeah, so I have used those, but foam rolling and putting your legs up the wall is usually what I do.

02:21:16.000 But yeah, I'd say within a week.

02:21:20.000 Those rollers that I was telling you about? 0.97

02:21:21.000 Same company.

02:21:23.000 Hyperice, same company.

02:21:24.000 Yeah.

02:21:25.000 Yeah, they make the Normatec boots.

02:21:27.000 They make those crazy rollers that vibrate.

02:21:29.000 You're going to throw those regular rollers out. 1.00

02:21:31.000 Wait till you try these things.

02:21:32.000 Okay.

02:21:32.000 It's bananas.

02:21:33.000 Yeah.

02:21:34.000 You're like, yikes.

02:21:35.000 But, yeah, for, like, my last run, I like running too much to run for at least three weeks until afterwards.

02:21:49.000 So you run...

02:21:50.000 After running across Maine, I stopped running for three weeks until my body was completely healed.

02:21:59.000 When I say I love running too much to run immediately after, it's because I don't want to get burnt out.

02:22:05.000 I think three weeks is a respectable amount of time to give my body a chance to recover.

02:22:14.000 I know ice baths also help with recovery.

02:22:19.000 Do you do that?

02:22:20.000 For my run across Maine, I didn't just because I was in so much pain that just a little extra pain would have just put me over the edge.

02:22:31.000 Wow.

02:22:32.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:33.000 If you have sunburn and just someone touches it and you're just like, ah!

02:22:37.000 Do you think it would have maybe relieved some of that pain with the ice bath?

02:22:41.000 No, because of, like, chafing and, like, there's a lot of little injuries that happen that you might not be aware of until after the fact and, like, just little things like that.

02:22:55.000 So, yeah, really just sleeping and eating as you can tolerate it.

02:23:00.000 So you just chill for a while.

02:23:02.000 Chill, yeah.

02:23:02.000 Just decide, look, did something crazy, it's time to let it all come back together.

02:23:08.000 Yes.

02:23:09.000 Yeah, but...

02:23:11.000 Usually, I mean, that's what's amazing about our bodies is, like, I don't need to tell it what to do.

02:23:17.000 If you give it enough time, we'll figure out how to rebuild and how to, yeah, heal itself.

02:23:25.000 So when you think about doing something like this new thing that you can't talk about yet, when you plan—excuse me— When you plan something like this out, do you just say, okay, I need a wacky challenge.

02:23:38.000 I need something that really pushes me, something that's going to really get the fires going.

02:23:45.000 So sometimes I feel like the bus in Australia.

02:23:48.000 I do feel like sometimes these ideas find me when I least expect it.

02:23:53.000 I don't really have a bucket list, but I am driven by that curious, insatiable need to find out.

02:24:02.000 I don't think I'll run across Maine ever again in my life because I think what's beautiful about adventure is like...

02:24:10.000 And I don't think I'll row the Atlantic again because I came... 0.98

02:24:14.000 Because you did it.

02:24:15.000 Yeah.

02:24:15.000 And I had a pure experience.

02:24:18.000 I didn't read about how everyone else did it and no one else had run across Maine.

02:24:24.000 So I didn't read about...

02:24:25.000 Who else ran this or that just because there's something so pure about doing something that hasn't been done before or like off the beaten path because you have no preconceived notion of what you are going to experience.

02:24:39.000 So one of the driving factors for me is just like the curiosity to find out.

02:24:46.000 And like now that I ran across Maine or did this or that, There's not that, like, ooh, I wonder.

02:24:56.000 So I think, yeah, I don't necessarily think I'll be doing the same of anything.

02:25:03.000 But with running, there's still, like cycling, I answered a lot of those questions already.

02:25:09.000 Swimming, I did like a 325-mile swim, so I feel like I answered those questions.

02:25:14.000 But I don't think that the questions have been answered about like the around the world trip because that has more to do with decision making on your feet and dealing with people finding out where to sleep finding out where like I don't know there's different challenges that aren't really as much physical like of course riding your bike 60 80 miles a day there's real physical challenges but For that adventure,

02:25:42.000 I'm driven by meeting people and seeing parts of the worlds that you never would and these chance encounters that you would never have had you not been on this road at this time.

02:25:54.000 So for running, I do feel like there are those questions of like, I've done, like, one really long run, but I'm curious to see how my body responds to doing one after another,

02:26:11.000 and, like, I think what I didn't experience in Maine is running on, like, fatigue the next day, and so that's kind of where, like, cycling across America, I've done that a couple times, and I've got to learn what that feels like,

02:26:28.000 and also doing, like, 200 mile bike rides at one go.

02:26:32.000 And those are very different things.

02:26:34.000 But for running, I haven't experienced a multi-day running adventure.

02:26:39.000 So that's a hint.

02:26:40.000 That's a hint.

02:26:41.000 Why don't you talk to Eddie?

02:26:43.000 Okay.

02:26:44.000 Eddie Izzard.

02:26:45.000 Okay.

02:26:45.000 You should link up.

02:26:47.000 Find out.

02:26:48.000 Yeah.

02:26:49.000 I mean, I've talked to people about, like, their experiences if they have done ultra, like, more of the multi-day events.

02:26:59.000 And what I've been encouraged by is, like, I've heard that the...

02:27:04.000 And from biking across America, like, there's only so much you can do to train.

02:27:09.000 And if anything, you might overtrain or, like, just be so burnt out that you don't even want to do it anymore.

02:27:16.000 Yeah.

02:27:16.000 So I from what I've heard is like the training happens almost during like your body adapts and you need kind of a basic level of fitness but um and will yeah oh yeah definitely yeah but yeah that's what you saw with Eddie Izzard in that documentary that there was no real serious fitness level yeah in the beginning yeah I mean like which is kind of crazy It is.

02:27:47.000 But, yeah, I definitely, like, after doing marathons and stuff, you see all walks of life.

02:27:54.000 And even myself, people would be like, I think in triathlon, if you're over 140 pounds for some of those races, you're considered Athena and, like, plus size.

02:28:05.000 Athena?

02:28:06.000 That means, like, bigger people.

02:28:09.000 Athena?

02:28:10.000 Really?

02:28:11.000 Yes!

02:28:12.000 Have you heard of that before?

02:28:15.000 You said it was a normal thing.

02:28:17.000 You're considered Athena.

02:28:19.000 If you're over 140 pounds, some of these races you're considered plus size.

02:28:27.000 That's how tiny these people are.

02:28:28.000 So even myself, I wouldn't fit the box.

02:28:32.000 I'm not a twig.

02:28:38.000 Yes. 0.62

02:28:39.000 Why is the Athena category so useless?

02:28:42.000 Look at that.

02:28:42.000 140 pounds.

02:28:44.000 Fit is feminist. 0.99

02:28:45.000 Wow.

02:28:45.000 I'm more than 140 pounds, so I am a plus-size triathlete.

02:28:49.000 Clydesdale. 0.99

02:28:50.000 How fucking rude. 0.99

02:28:53.000 Clydesdale. 0.98

02:28:54.000 An attempt to equalize competition for non-elite running and multi-sport events between big and small people.

02:29:02.000 For men, Clydesdale is anyone over 200 pounds. 0.99

02:29:06.000 I'm a fucking Clydesdale fan. 0.99

02:29:08.000 I'm an Athena. 0.99

02:29:10.000 Minimum weight for Athena in the division runner is either 140 or 150. You're an Athena.

02:29:17.000 Yep.

02:29:18.000 So, I'm a plus size driver.

02:29:21.000 You're a sturdy gal.

02:29:22.000 That's what it means.

02:29:23.000 Well, that makes sense, too, because, like, Zach Bitter, you know, Zach won the world record for 24 hours or for running 100 miles.

02:29:31.000 He ran 100 miles in 11 hours on a track, which is crazy.

02:29:35.000 But Zach is a rail.

02:29:37.000 You know, he's a very small guy.

02:29:38.000 Like, if you had, like, a big, like, the dude who won the chin-up competition, if you had that guy try to do that, it's too big.

02:29:45.000 Yeah.

02:29:46.000 I think.

02:29:47.000 Who knows?

02:29:47.000 If he can do that, maybe he can do anything.

02:29:49.000 Maybe it's a mime thing.

02:29:51.000 I mean, I think...

02:29:51.000 I don't know if he can do it the way Zach did it, though.

02:29:53.000 Yeah.

02:29:54.000 I think what I have going for me is not getting injured.

02:29:58.000 Like...

02:29:58.000 Because you're sturdy.

02:29:59.000 I guess.

02:30:00.000 Yeah, I'm not the fastest.

02:30:01.000 Is that a weird word for girls? 1.00

02:30:02.000 They don't like that word.

02:30:05.000 I don't know.

02:30:07.000 I... It's a weird one, right?

02:30:10.000 Like, I mean it in a complimentary way.

02:30:12.000 Like, you're a stout, strong woman.

02:30:15.000 Stout's bad, too.

02:30:16.000 Said that. 0.98

02:30:17.000 I fucked that up, too. 0.98

02:30:19.000 Sturdy and stout. 0.98

02:30:20.000 Both of them.

02:30:21.000 A lot of chicks don't want to hear that. 1.00

02:30:22.000 That's why I like a gal. 1.00

02:30:24.000 I like them sturdy.

02:30:25.000 I've definitely heard, like, if I do speaking, some people are like, you don't look like you could do that.

02:30:32.000 I'm like, hmm, hmm, okay.

02:30:35.000 What is that supposed to mean?

02:30:36.000 I know, exactly.

02:30:38.000 Homegirl who won Moab 240, the one who'd been on the show?

02:30:41.000 Yeah, Courtney DeWalter. 0.95

02:30:43.000 She's very small.

02:30:45.000 Like, what does Courtney weigh about?

02:30:48.000 I don't know.

02:30:48.000 She's tiny.

02:30:49.000 She's a savage. 1.00

02:30:51.000 She's also experienced that thing you were talking about, like blurred vision, to the point where she had, I think it was corneal edema, I think it's called, where her eyes were bleeding, so she couldn't see.

02:31:05.000 And she tripped and fell and smashed her head on a rock, so blood was pouring down her head.

02:31:10.000 Couldn't see.

02:31:10.000 She could barely see her feet in front of her and still won.

02:31:14.000 Wow.

02:31:14.000 Woo!

02:31:15.000 I did watch her. 0.98

02:31:16.000 That lady's a savage. 1.00

02:31:17.000 She's cool. 1.00

02:31:18.000 She's savage. 1.00

02:31:19.000 And when we had her in here, I'm like, what do you eat?

02:31:21.000 She's like, candy.

02:31:22.000 She drinks beer.

02:31:24.000 She drinks beer, eats candy. 0.99

02:31:26.000 I mean, just need calories.

02:31:28.000 Yeah.

02:31:28.000 Just need the calories.

02:31:29.000 Yeah, it's just that alone, that example, the fact that she was literally going blind, never considered stopping, fell, smashed her head.

02:31:39.000 So there's a picture of her running where she's kind of blind with blood pouring out of her forehead and still wins the race.

02:31:45.000 That is a tough person. 0.95

02:31:48.000 you know i think it's really cool also in ultra running you'll see it more that women are holding their own and like compared to men like one she fucking won she beat the first guy the the the guy who came in second place by 10 hours wow 10 hours imagine imagine you train so hard you're like i'm a beast i'm just going out there and kick ass yeah like well i came in first for men oh you came in first for men Oh, 0.87

02:32:16.000 interesting. 0.92

02:32:17.000 What's first for a woman? 1.00

02:32:19.000 10 hours quicker or whatever.

02:32:20.000 Do you know what that's called?

02:32:21.000 10 hours?

02:32:22.000 Being chicked.

02:32:23.000 Oh, is that what they call it?

02:32:24.000 Yeah.

02:32:25.000 Who calls it that?

02:32:25.000 I don't know, but I've seen shirts that say, like, I was chicked and I liked it kind of stuff.

02:32:30.000 You guys are cucks. 0.93

02:32:32.000 They like it. 0.96

02:32:33.000 It's a little weird, right?

02:32:36.000 But that is a term.

02:32:37.000 Yeah, that's a guy trying to impress women, this femininity. 0.99

02:32:41.000 He probably hates it.

02:32:42.000 Doesn't like it. 1.00

02:32:43.000 It's full of shit. 1.00

02:32:45.000 Can't trust that guy. 1.00

02:32:47.000 Guy's a liar, right? 0.99

02:32:48.000 Am I wrong? 0.99

02:32:50.000 There's no way he likes it.

02:32:51.000 Did you race because you want to lose? 1.00

02:32:53.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:32:54.000 You like being chicked? 1.00

02:32:56.000 I don't know.

02:32:56.000 I was chicked and I liked it?

02:32:58.000 Stay home.

02:33:00.000 Right? 1.00

02:33:01.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

02:33:02.000 Yeah, women can hold their own. 1.00

02:33:04.000 Hell yeah, they can. 0.99

02:33:05.000 Well, Courtney certainly fucking can. 1.00

02:33:07.000 She wins. 0.99

02:33:08.000 They say something about how females have a really high pain tolerance, so that's why it helps in ultras because of having babies and being able to handle that. 1.00

02:33:22.000 Yeah, most men do not have a high pain tolerance.

02:33:26.000 But I think women, they probably experience pain differently because of the whole childbirth thing, right?

02:33:31.000 Yeah.

02:33:32.000 I would guess.

02:33:33.000 If there was like a way where you could experience, like a microchip, experience what it's like to be a guy for a day, they could plug into a guy's brain, be a guy for a day, would you do it?

02:33:45.000 Why wouldn't I? That'd be interesting.

02:33:47.000 Wouldn't anyone want to do that?

02:33:49.000 Yeah, I would do it for a day.

02:33:51.000 I'd be a woman for a day. 0.99

02:33:53.000 I wouldn't want a guy having sex with me. 0.97

02:33:55.000 I'd be like, that's where I draw the line.

02:33:56.000 I don't want to like it.

02:33:58.000 What are you going to do?

02:33:59.000 What are you curious to know? 1.00

02:34:02.000 I want to hear girls talk shit. 1.00

02:34:03.000 I want to know guys are around. 1.00

02:34:05.000 I want to hear what kind of things they say.

02:34:07.000 Oh.

02:34:08.000 You know?

02:34:09.000 Yeah.

02:34:09.000 When girls talk about sex or girls talk about work or girls talk about life.

02:34:14.000 So you want to hear the girl talk.

02:34:15.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 I think it would be interesting for a little while.

02:34:17.000 I'll probably get bored.

02:34:18.000 Yeah.

02:34:19.000 But maybe I wouldn't because I'd be a girl.

02:34:21.000 I just want to know how much...

02:34:24.000 I want to do pull-ups and stuff.

02:34:26.000 I want to run around and see what...

02:34:29.000 That's hilarious.

02:34:29.000 You want to know what it's like to be a gorilla.

02:34:32.000 Well, I just want to know...

02:34:33.000 If you were a guy for a day, you'd just be like...

02:34:35.000 Time to smash.

02:34:38.000 I want to see...

02:34:42.000 That is the rarest.

02:34:43.000 Have you polled women?

02:34:44.000 What would you do if you were a man for a day? 1.00

02:34:47.000 I don't know what it's like to do fucking pull-ups and shit. 1.00

02:34:50.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

02:34:52.000 Well, it's true that you guys have more muscle.

02:34:56.000 You want to smash.

02:34:58.000 Smash things. 0.99

02:34:59.000 You want to punch a bag. 1.00

02:35:01.000 Fucking deadlift some serious weight. 1.00

02:35:03.000 It'd be interesting to see what the capability would be. 0.99

02:35:10.000 Because you could probably do more things.

02:35:13.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:35:14.000 Yeah.

02:35:15.000 But I don't know what else I would be interested in doing.

02:35:17.000 I think it would be interesting to feel the difference in the hips. 0.91

02:35:21.000 Like men and women have a totally different hip structure, you know?

02:35:24.000 And that's one of the reasons why women have more ACL injuries and it's also more difficult for them to generate force, like kicking. 1.00

02:35:33.000 Like if you watch a really elite woman kick, even though you're carrying your body weight around versus a really elite man kick, there's a big difference in the amount of power that the men can generate.

02:35:45.000 And I'm sure a lot of that has to do with testosterone.

02:35:48.000 I'm sure there's a lot of variabilities.

02:35:50.000 But when I talked to a kinesiologist, he was explaining to me that it's also...

02:35:53.000 The way the hips are structured.

02:35:56.000 Because a woman's, especially if she has particularly wide hips, your bones angle in a different way, whereas a man's are straight. 1.00

02:36:03.000 It's better for generating force.

02:36:05.000 Interesting.

02:36:06.000 Yeah.

02:36:07.000 I know I already said there was a TED Talk about this, but there was another TED Talk.

02:36:12.000 It's a lot of TED Talks. 0.99

02:36:13.000 A lot of cool shit they talk about. 0.99

02:36:15.000 A man who became a woman. 1.00

02:36:17.000 So they could say what is better and worse being male and female. 0.77

02:36:22.000 How did he do that?

02:36:23.000 Like, it was...

02:36:26.000 Trans.

02:36:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:36:27.000 And, like, the one thing that was being joked about is, like, the hair is the same, but now that I'm a woman, it's like $100 to cut my hair when it was only $10.

02:36:38.000 Like, so there were...

02:36:39.000 I mean, that is interesting because they could say definitively what are the differences, and that was, yeah, one of them.

02:36:49.000 Mmm.

02:36:51.000 You could, but you couldn't.

02:36:52.000 Yeah.

02:36:53.000 Because the chromosomes are different.

02:36:54.000 It's like your perception and how you identify is different, but...

02:36:59.000 Not necessarily different.

02:37:00.000 You can't get pregnant. 1.00

02:37:01.000 Yeah.

02:37:02.000 You don't have a menstrual cycle.

02:37:03.000 So not a physical sense, but just like societal, like how you are.

02:37:08.000 Yeah.

02:37:08.000 I want to know what PMS is like.

02:37:11.000 Hmm.

02:37:11.000 I want to know what that chaos is like because I've seen it before.

02:37:14.000 What the fuck is happening to you? 0.99

02:37:16.000 I think you could recreate that. 1.00

02:37:17.000 Just be hangry or something.

02:37:21.000 No way.

02:37:22.000 There's no way it's just hangry. 0.99

02:37:24.000 There's no fucking way. 0.98

02:37:26.000 There's no way. 1.00

02:37:27.000 Just be hangry for a few days.

02:37:27.000 If it's just hangry, then men are getting abused all across this country.

02:37:31.000 I think with some women, PMS is pretty radical. 1.00

02:37:36.000 I think it varies wildly.

02:37:39.000 I would agree.

02:37:40.000 Like, yeah, I'm sure everyone is different.

02:37:42.000 Yeah.

02:37:43.000 But I don't know if that's what you would want to experience.

02:37:47.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

02:37:48.000 I want to know how nutty it gets.

02:37:51.000 Just feel what it feels like, you know?

02:37:55.000 It probably feels crazy to be pregnant, too.

02:37:58.000 Walking around with a baby inside of you, a little thing.

02:38:01.000 Yeah.

02:38:01.000 Growing inside of you, a little person.

02:38:04.000 Because having children as a man is an amazing thing.

02:38:07.000 It's amazing.

02:38:09.000 Probably my favorite thing about life, legitimately.

02:38:13.000 It's so strange.

02:38:14.000 Every time I hug them, every time I talk to them, part of me is going, I can't believe you're real.

02:38:19.000 You didn't exist, and now you exist, and now you're 10, and you and I are having a conversation about life, and we're talking about things.

02:38:25.000 Yeah.

02:38:27.000 They didn't come out of my body.

02:38:28.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:29.000 I think for a woman, it's exponentially crazier. 1.00

02:38:33.000 Because they literally developed inside of your body, and they came out of you.

02:38:39.000 And now here they are.

02:38:41.000 That's got to be crazy.

02:38:42.000 I would like to know what that feels like.

02:38:44.000 It must be nuts.

02:38:46.000 It must be nuts.

02:38:48.000 I would agree.

02:38:49.000 You don't want that, huh?

02:38:51.000 I mean, I feel so passionate about these upcoming, like, adventures.

02:38:59.000 Maybe after?

02:39:01.000 But, yeah, my vision is so, like, this and that that it's hard for me to see that.

02:39:08.000 At least right now.

02:39:11.000 I'm not one of those people who thinks everybody should have kids.

02:39:14.000 And not that I think some people shouldn't have kids.

02:39:17.000 That's not what I mean.

02:39:18.000 I mean, I used to get insulted by the idea that you couldn't live a fulfilled life without procreating.

02:39:24.000 I was always like, that seems like someone who's done something who thinks everybody should do something.

02:39:31.000 There's a thing that people do when they've done it, like, you're not even a man yet, unless you've had a kid.

02:39:37.000 And then, you know, you have kids, like, no, that's not...

02:39:40.000 Do people really say that? 0.99

02:39:42.000 Oh yeah, people are crazy.

02:39:43.000 But they only say it because they kind of want to have a leg up on people who haven't done something they've done. 0.86

02:39:50.000 Oh, I see that now.

02:39:51.000 You know what I mean?

02:39:51.000 Yeah.

02:39:52.000 And also people are very...

02:39:53.000 They think about their life...

02:39:57.000 In a very biased way in that that's the only way to do it. 0.99

02:40:03.000 There's a lot of people that are really silly like that. 0.99

02:40:06.000 No matter what they're doing, they think that if you're not doing this, you're a fool or you're fucking up or you're missing something. 0.99

02:40:15.000 And there's a tremendous amount of pressure, I think more so on women, to procreate than men. 0.99

02:40:20.000 Yeah.

02:40:21.000 I mean, I definitely, like, am attached to my body, like, and what it can do.

02:40:29.000 And I think that, I mean, I have a lot of friends that are athletes and have had kids, and I've seen how they have been able to, like, balance that, like, kind of regaining their body and being able to incorporate fitness.

02:40:46.000 But I mean, yeah, I guess that would be one of my fears about it, is just, like, having to let go of what my body is capable of.

02:40:56.000 But by saying that, I also think that there might be an even greater appreciation for my body because it's a human, not an Iron Man.

02:41:05.000 Like, I'm pretty sure a human is a little bit more, like, but, yeah, from where I stand now, it's like, boop.

02:41:11.000 Will I be able to run?

02:41:13.000 So these feats and these adventures are incredibly important to you, obviously.

02:41:19.000 Yeah.

02:41:20.000 I mean, right now I am very aware that things change and I am very cause and charity and that is also a huge focus for me.

02:41:34.000 But, yeah, a big part of my identity is these challenges, and a big part of where I get joy and excitement is around my body's ability to do these things.

02:41:48.000 But, I mean, I have had injuries enough to know that I am more than just running or biking.

02:41:55.000 Do you have an idea of when you want to stop?

02:42:00.000 Or are you a lifer?

02:42:01.000 I might be a lifer.

02:42:03.000 Yeah?

02:42:03.000 Yeah.

02:42:04.000 I mean, I've been doing challenges for a decade now.

02:42:09.000 I think that, like, I've reached a limit in certain...

02:42:16.000 And I think what might be exciting to go back to is trying to get more speed.

02:42:21.000 Like, I've definitely lost speed and traded it for endurance.

02:42:25.000 And so, um, after doing a few more, I think it would be fun to kind of develop what I've put off because like training last year, I didn't do any speed work.

02:42:38.000 Um, it was all endurance.

02:42:40.000 It was basically like doing an ultra marathon every weekend and then recovering.

02:42:44.000 And then like, that's all you really.

02:42:46.000 So is this, the speed, uh, like a challenge that you haven't been addressing?

02:42:50.000 Is that why it's itching at you?

02:42:52.000 Well, you give up.

02:42:54.000 I feel like I'm too young to be saying I used to be that fast.

02:42:59.000 I should be able to go fast, but it's kind of like you pick your battle.

02:43:07.000 Do you want to be fast or do you want to go far?

02:43:09.000 Some people can do both.

02:43:11.000 But I think with my body, it's kind of like you choose.

02:43:16.000 I mean, there's like fast twitch and slow twitch.

02:43:18.000 And if you develop your slow twitch, then yeah.

02:43:21.000 So like, I think it's very empowering to at least like, most of my running is nine, 10 minute miles.

02:43:32.000 That's pretty...

02:43:35.000 Like, I mean, that's a chill.

02:43:38.000 I mean, I'm not, I can talk, everything, but still, like, I've been doing that pace so much that it's really hard to do seven and eights anymore, and it'd be nice to feel that again by doing less.

02:43:52.000 You seem like a person that will never find your limits.

02:43:55.000 You just always want to push.

02:43:57.000 You always want to try to figure it out.

02:43:59.000 Well, it's our body.

02:44:01.000 It has so many.

02:44:03.000 Yeah.

02:44:03.000 No, it's cool.

02:44:04.000 I like your attitude.

02:44:05.000 I like the way you approach these things.

02:44:07.000 It's very cool.

02:44:08.000 I mean, our bodies are really amazing.

02:44:10.000 You made it all the way to the end without peeing, too.

02:44:12.000 Well, I thought about it for the last half hour.

02:44:17.000 I'm sure you have.

02:44:18.000 It's a challenge.

02:44:18.000 Sometimes I can tell when people are kind of squirming a little bit and they got a look on their face and they're like, hmm, maybe not yet.

02:44:24.000 Hang in there.

02:44:25.000 Hang in there.

02:44:27.000 Could you tell?

02:44:28.000 Yeah, a little bit.

02:44:29.000 Was it?

02:44:30.000 No, not bad.

02:44:31.000 Most people would never be able to tell.

02:44:33.000 But I'm just assuming around two hours-ish, two and a half, you get this big jug of water.

02:44:40.000 You're an athlete.

02:44:41.000 I'm sure you drink a ton of water.

02:44:42.000 I'm like, you got to be ready.

02:44:45.000 You got any minute now.

02:44:46.000 You picked talking about going to the bathroom too early.

02:44:50.000 If you would have waited until the two-hour mark, I could have been like, oh, that reminds me.

02:44:54.000 Good thing.

02:44:55.000 Yeah.

02:44:56.000 Well, you made it, dude.

02:44:57.000 You did it.

02:44:58.000 So, let us know what this challenge is, when you can spill the beans, and we'd be happy to help you there.

02:45:04.000 Oh, that's so nice.

02:45:05.000 And it was really cool talking to you.

02:45:06.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:45:07.000 Yeah, me too.

02:45:07.000 Thank you.

02:45:08.000 Thank you very much.

02:45:08.000 Thank you.

02:45:09.000 Thank you.

02:45:10.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 15, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1635 - Katie Spotz

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