The Joe Rogan Experience - April 23, 2021


Joe Rogan Experience #1639 - Dave Smith

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On this week's episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, we have a guest who lost his wallet on a plane, and we talk about the dangers of plastics and how they're ruining the world. Plus, we discuss whether or not we should all be worried about our sperm count dropping, and why it's a good thing we don't need them anymore. Also, we find out how libertarian David Smith is, and what he thinks about the idea of humans being "parasites" in the Matrix, and how he thinks we should be building a case against humans. Joe also talks about how plastics are ruining the environment and why we should probably all be concerned about them. And we get into the weirdest thing he's ever heard about sperm counts and why they don't really matter. This is a good one, and you should listen to it if you're curious about the science behind it, because it's pretty crazy. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. All rights reserved. Produced and owned by Pond5 Remaining songs written and produced by u/PODCASTWRITER_ROBERT MCCARTE and our good friend and . is a production of Gimlet Media. We do not own the rights to any of the music used in this episode. or any of our songs used without permission. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or review on Apple Podcasts, we'd really really appreciate it. Thank you! if you'd like us to use it in the next episode, we'll be listening to it in a future episode of the next week's "Good Morning Joe" or any other podcast you're listening to this episode of Good Morning Joe or "The Good Life" or "Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye, My Dear Friend." or "I'll See You Soon, I'll See Me Soon, Good Morning, Good Life, Good Luck, Good Love, Good Blessings, Good Night, Good Rest, Good Day, etc., etc. -- Thank You. -- Thank you for listening and Good Luck. -- -- -Joe Rogan -- -- Good Luck! -- Please Rate & Good Morning! -- -Good Luck! -- Thank You, -- Cheers, Cheers! -- Your Best Effort,

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:15.000 Hello, Mr. Joe Rogan.
00:00:16.000 What's cracking, brother?
00:00:17.000 Not much.
00:00:17.000 Glad to be back.
00:00:18.000 Thanks for coming out.
00:00:18.000 Thanks for making the trip, man.
00:00:20.000 Sorry you lost your wallet.
00:00:21.000 We're gonna find out how libertarian you are when you get to the airport.
00:00:24.000 Oh my god. 1.00
00:00:26.000 I'm really such an idiot. 1.00
00:00:28.000 Lost my wallet on a plane buying the stupid internet. 1.00
00:00:33.000 I went into my bag to get my wallet so I could buy the dumb internet, which doesn't even work. 1.00
00:00:37.000 I fell asleep and left my wallet.
00:00:40.000 Yeah, if you think you're going to watch YouTube on that, good luck.
00:00:42.000 Yeah.
00:00:43.000 Yeah, you can kind of tweet.
00:00:45.000 You can kind of check your email.
00:00:47.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:00:47.000 It's like pointless.
00:00:48.000 Yeah.
00:00:49.000 And I did great.
00:00:49.000 When I got to the hotel, I realized I lost my wallet.
00:00:52.000 And I was like, all right, there's a Starbucks here in the hotel.
00:00:55.000 I'm going to go grab a coffee and just relax.
00:00:56.000 And I go up and order a coffee.
00:00:58.000 And then it just hit me.
00:00:59.000 I was like, oh.
00:01:01.000 I don't have a wallet.
00:01:02.000 And then I was sitting there and I was like, wait, hold on.
00:01:04.000 Let me figure out, do I have the app?
00:01:06.000 And I had to go set up the whole app and everything.
00:01:09.000 Luckily, these days, you can buy it with an app.
00:01:10.000 Yeah, you can do Apple Pay too in a lot of those.
00:01:13.000 I had none of that set up, but now I have it all set up.
00:01:16.000 It really makes you realize how we still need this little piece of plastic, this laminated thing with your face on it.
00:01:23.000 You don't have that.
00:01:24.000 You can't go anywhere.
00:01:26.000 Yeah.
00:01:26.000 It was pretty funny trying to check into the hotel and I had to get in touch with your guy to tell the hotel that I'm in.
00:01:32.000 I really went up there and I was like, look, I'd like to check into my room.
00:01:36.000 I do not have an ID. I do not have a credit card.
00:01:38.000 I understand where this is probably going to be a little bit weird from your perspective.
00:01:42.000 And probably you can't run a business where you just go, sure, go on in.
00:01:46.000 Like, you want to be here?
00:01:47.000 And I'm like, look, I have a name.
00:01:49.000 It is David Smith.
00:01:50.000 Now I know that comes off like I'm just guessing a name.
00:01:55.000 Probably top five names you would just guess.
00:01:58.000 But do you have a reservation for a Mr. Smith?
00:02:01.000 And can I have that, please?
00:02:02.000 Wasn't Mr. Smith the guy in the Matrix that was always following him around trying to kill him?
00:02:06.000 Agent Smith, yeah.
00:02:07.000 Was it?
00:02:08.000 Agent Smith.
00:02:08.000 Agent Smith.
00:02:09.000 Yes.
00:02:09.000 No, that's me.
00:02:10.000 Well, I identify with Neo more than Agent Smith.
00:02:15.000 Of course. 1.00
00:02:16.000 Agent Smith was an asshole. 1.00
00:02:17.000 Yeah, he was a real dick. 1.00
00:02:18.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:02:18.000 He made a few solid points. 1.00
00:02:20.000 Did he? 0.99
00:02:20.000 That whole thing about humans being parasites. 0.99
00:02:23.000 Yes. 0.99
00:02:23.000 Remember that? 0.99
00:02:23.000 You were like, hmm. 0.99
00:02:24.000 Yeah, if we weren't humans, we would not like humans.
00:02:28.000 Yeah, that's for sure.
00:02:29.000 For sure.
00:02:29.000 If you were, like, building a case against humans...
00:02:33.000 Like you are a neutral party talking to God, building a case against humans.
00:02:38.000 You could build a pretty strong one.
00:02:39.000 Very solid.
00:02:40.000 This woman that we had on yesterday, Shanna, how do you say her last name? 1.00
00:02:45.000 What's that?
00:02:45.000 Swan, sorry.
00:02:46.000 Shanna Swan.
00:02:47.000 Yeah, Smith is in my head.
00:02:49.000 Her book, she wrote this book about how Chemicals, mostly leached from plastic, are getting into human bodies.
00:03:01.000 One of the big ones is phthalates.
00:03:03.000 Other ones are glyphosate, that Roundup chemical that Monsanto uses on crops.
00:03:09.000 And they're affecting the way children develop in a radical and very measurable way.
00:03:16.000 From the advent of petrochemicals from the 1950s, the advent of plastics, that we started really using plastics a lot.
00:03:22.000 The size of men's taints has shrunk.
00:03:27.000 This is so crazy.
00:03:28.000 This is one of the big ways that you could recognize males versus females in animals.
00:03:33.000 One of the things that is so remarkably different between them is the size of the taint.
00:03:38.000 The male's taints are always much larger.
00:03:40.000 Wouldn't you say like 50% larger?
00:03:42.000 50 to 100%.
00:03:42.000 50 to 100% larger.
00:03:44.000 That's the problem in America?
00:03:45.000 No, no, no.
00:03:46.000 It's way worse than that. 0.85
00:03:46.000 These tiny tainted men are ruining everything? 0.85
00:03:48.000 It's plastics.
00:03:49.000 It's making them have lower sperm counts, significantly lower sperm counts, like 50% lower sperm counts than they did 50 years ago, and on a straight downward trajectory, along with miscarriages. 0.60
00:04:00.000 Miscarriages are on the rise.
00:04:02.000 Sperm counts are on the way down.
00:04:04.000 It is crazy when you just see what we've done to us and weren't even aware of it until the early 2000s, like the first studies that she did.
00:04:13.000 She's an environmental endocrinologist, so she's a researcher that studies the effects of environmental toxins on human reproductive systems. 1.00
00:04:25.000 And isn't it crazy, right, that it's almost like just what we are as organisms, we could get this information, and you're still kind of like, yeah, it's nuts.
00:04:33.000 We're not going to stop.
00:04:34.000 Yeah, I need to unwrap, bro.
00:04:36.000 It's like how many of these geniuses have to come out and be like, listen, AI is really dangerous, and we should stop building toward it.
00:04:43.000 And then half the time, even they go back to building toward it.
00:04:46.000 They're just like, well, but at the same time, this is what we're doing.
00:04:49.000 Have you met Lex?
00:04:50.000 Lex Friedman?
00:04:51.000 I have not met him, but I'm a fan.
00:04:52.000 Yeah, I want to get you guys together.
00:04:54.000 I would love to get you guys together.
00:04:55.000 I wish you were in town more than a day.
00:04:57.000 He'd probably have you on his show.
00:04:58.000 He's an AI researcher.
00:05:01.000 I mean, he works in AI, and he has a different view of it.
00:05:05.000 He thinks AI is going to work with people.
00:05:07.000 Like him and Elon are on the opposite side of things, but I'm in Camp Elon. 0.99
00:05:10.000 I think we're fucked. 0.88
00:05:11.000 I am just, for strategic reasons, going to be in Camp Lex because it's happening either way, so I might as well. 0.99
00:05:18.000 I'm going to try to believe Lex.
00:05:19.000 That guy's super smart.
00:05:20.000 If he thinks that, I'm going to go with him.
00:05:22.000 He's definitely super smart.
00:05:25.000 For sure, he understands there's room for a catastrophe.
00:05:30.000 There's room for a massive error that lets these things become sentient and just start gunning people down on the streets or starts using us as human batteries. 0.99
00:05:40.000 Yeah, look man, think how fragile shit is, like just that we got all these countries with H-bombs and shit. 1.00
00:05:45.000 Look at what's going on right now with Ukraine and Russia, where they're moving planes and troops to the border. 0.99
00:05:52.000 It's like, that's real. 1.00
00:05:54.000 That's real shit. 1.00
00:05:55.000 And Putin was on the news yesterday giving a speech and warning the United States. 1.00
00:05:59.000 And then you'll just have like, you know, Biden and all the people in the media just like talking shit. 1.00
00:06:07.000 Just kind of like pushing you to talk shit. 1.00
00:06:09.000 Like Joe Biden just gets in that interview and he's like, I think Putin's a killer. 1.00
00:06:12.000 Well, Stephanopoulos said, do you think he's a killer?
00:06:15.000 Yeah, but he also could have...
00:06:17.000 He could have handled it in a diplomatic way.
00:06:20.000 You don't have to be...
00:06:21.000 Like, what are we doing?
00:06:22.000 Between the two of us, we have 90% of the nukes in the world.
00:06:26.000 Let's just slow down. 1.00
00:06:27.000 It's like, yeah, Putin is a killer. 0.99
00:06:28.000 So is Joe Biden. 0.99
00:06:30.000 We've all killed a lot of people between our two respective governments. 1.00
00:06:33.000 So let's just not talk shit. 1.00
00:06:35.000 Because we could kill the whole world. 1.00
00:06:36.000 One of the funniest things about Trump talking about Russia, and then like, you know, Russia has killed people. 0.85
00:06:41.000 It's like, well, we've killed a lot of people, too.
00:06:43.000 That was...
00:06:43.000 Look...
00:06:44.000 Donald Trump, feel however you feel about him.
00:06:46.000 I'm not a fan.
00:06:47.000 But one of the amazing things about Trump is that he had no control over the things he said.
00:06:52.000 It all just spilled out.
00:06:53.000 And every now and then he would say something where it was like, yeah, he's right about that.
00:06:58.000 And he said it right to Bill O'Reilly's Yeah.
00:07:00.000 To Bill O'Reilly's face, Mr. George W. Bush, Republican news guy.
00:07:05.000 And he goes, yeah, we're killers too.
00:07:07.000 We killed a lot of people. 0.99
00:07:08.000 And watching O'Reilly have to go, yeah, but it's different when we kill all these people. 0.97
00:07:14.000 I mean, we're killing people to liberate Iraq. 0.98
00:07:17.000 You know, he's killing people. 0.96
00:07:18.000 And you're like, mm, all right.
00:07:20.000 Well, a lot of those people didn't want to be killed.
00:07:22.000 And it didn't really liberate them to murder them.
00:07:25.000 So...
00:07:26.000 How many people have US-led wars killed in the Middle East?
00:07:29.000 I think Iraq alone were indirectly or directly responsible for over a million people dead.
00:07:36.000 So in Iraq, it's got to be well over a million because that million number was from a while ago.
00:07:42.000 So it's well over a million people that have died as a result of the war.
00:07:47.000 God knows how many in Libya just by destroying the country. 1.00
00:07:50.000 I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 in Syria.
00:07:53.000 The country is gone.
00:07:54.000 Like Libya is a failed state, right?
00:07:57.000 Yep.
00:07:57.000 Completely failed state.
00:07:59.000 One of the better countries in Africa, if not the best one to live in before.
00:08:04.000 Completely failed state.
00:08:06.000 Slavery.
00:08:07.000 Just awful.
00:08:08.000 Slavery on YouTube.
00:08:09.000 Yeah.
00:08:10.000 You've seen the YouTube, the slave auctions on YouTube, which is, wow.
00:08:14.000 Which is heavy.
00:08:15.000 All because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton decided they were going to overthrow Gaddafi for their own reasons.
00:08:22.000 What was the reason?
00:08:23.000 Well, the officially stated reason was that he was about to go genocidal on his own people.
00:08:29.000 But all of this has been – there was actually an investigation that the British Parliament held.
00:08:36.000 And they basically determined that there was no grounds to think that this guy who had been in control for decades was all of the sudden about to go genocidal on his people.
00:08:47.000 So I don't know what the number in Libya is.
00:08:50.000 The number in Yemen is probably going to be somewhere between 500,000 and a million.
00:08:55.000 I mean, so all in all, it's millions.
00:08:59.000 It's in the millions of people that we've killed in Muslim countries in northern Africa and the Middle East.
00:09:06.000 And I'm just talking 21st century, post 9-11, not even adding up the numbers before that. 1.00
00:09:12.000 There's no argument that Qaddafi wasn't a piece of shit. 0.99
00:09:15.000 I mean, everybody agrees, which is why it makes the whole thing so weird. 1.00
00:09:20.000 Because, like, you know he's a bad person.
00:09:23.000 He's a bad leader. 0.98
00:09:24.000 He's a dangerous man.
00:09:26.000 But yet, removing him was more harmful than it was Good.
00:09:31.000 Which is so crazy.
00:09:32.000 The idea that because someone's a bad man, now it's okay to start dropping bombs on innocent people or overthrow a government.
00:09:39.000 I mean, like, I don't know.
00:09:40.000 I think a lot of our presidents are bad men.
00:09:42.000 I don't want people to start bombing my family.
00:09:44.000 I don't think that's justified, you know, because of that.
00:09:46.000 And yeah, as we, you know, and this is something, a lesson we never learned in history that we really should have.
00:09:52.000 But in World War I, Woodrow Wilson said he was going to make the world safe for democracy.
00:09:58.000 That was the American mission in World War I. Right.
00:10:05.000 Right.
00:10:13.000 Right.
00:10:22.000 And you're like, oh man, those monarchs don't seem so bad all of a sudden now, you know? 0.99
00:10:27.000 Like, oh shit, it turns out you could get rid of something and something much worse can come after it. 0.99
00:10:32.000 You need a full-length plan. 0.99
00:10:34.000 But for Obama, who even goes, you know, I think he acknowledged at one point that Libya was his biggest mistake.
00:10:40.000 And he said not having a plan for the day after Gaddafi was overthrown was a big mistake.
00:10:46.000 And it's like, yeah, I sure wish we had just lived through Iraq. 1.00
00:10:50.000 Like, how could you not see that coming?
00:10:52.000 How could you not be like, oh yeah, and then after that, still tried to overthrow Assad.
00:10:58.000 In Syria.
00:10:59.000 And you're like, wait, so you don't see this? 0.99
00:11:00.000 Do you remember when they gave that speech, when he gave a speech on television, and everybody was like, fuck this. 0.99
00:11:07.000 And then they were... 0.99
00:11:08.000 It kind of just went away.
00:11:10.000 It was one of the most beautiful moments in modern American history.
00:11:14.000 People really actually stood up and stopped a war from happening.
00:11:17.000 So instead, they just covertly funded the Al-Qaeda side of it.
00:11:22.000 Jimmy Dore broke this down when he was on your show, Perfectly.
00:11:24.000 Those guys who go like...
00:11:26.000 They tell the story of Syria, and it's like, you know, Mike Baker, who I love, but his version of the story in Syria is like, well, Assad started killing all of his own people, and so what are we going to do? 0.55
00:11:38.000 You know, like, that's the story that they want to tell you, right?
00:11:40.000 It's like, this guy's just so bad, he's killing all these people.
00:11:42.000 You go, so why...
00:11:42.000 Is that really what Mike Baker's version of it was?
00:11:44.000 It wasn't that.
00:11:45.000 It's a caricature of it, but that's more or less it, right?
00:11:48.000 I love Mike Baker, by the way.
00:11:49.000 I do, too.
00:11:50.000 But the real story is that you go, okay, so if we're there, if the narrative is that we're there because Assad's killing his own people, and oh my god, I think he used a gas attack, or oh my god, I think he did this, and this is really dangerous.
00:12:03.000 Well, then why is it that General Wesley Clark, Is telling us on video that he saw plans to have regime change in Syria in 2003. Yeah, that was a dark video.
00:12:14.000 Why are there articles in 2007 about regime change?
00:12:17.000 Because he certainly wasn't killing his own people then.
00:12:19.000 And then as Jimmy Dore broke down perfectly, you realize that actually what happened Was that the CIA and the Saudis launched this Operation Timber Sycamore and they said that we are going to arm all of the anti-Assad rebels, largely consisting of Al Qaeda and ISIS,
00:12:36.000 in an attempt to take him out, to have the next regime change, that this plan had been in the works for years.
00:12:42.000 And when confronted with that threat, Asad launched a brutal war against them.
00:12:49.000 Certainly killed a whole lot of people. 0.66
00:12:51.000 I mean, like, if there was ISIS in a town, he'd just kill everybody in the town. 0.92
00:12:54.000 Like, he didn't care.
00:12:56.000 But the story's not as simple as like, oh, he started killing his own people, and so now we have to overthrow him.
00:13:01.000 The story is, we tried to overthrow him, and in response, this war broke out, where something like 500,000 people died.
00:13:08.000 Was Wesley Clark, was he running for president when that happened?
00:13:12.000 If I'm not mistaken, I believe he ran before.
00:13:16.000 I could be wrong about that.
00:13:17.000 I think, was he one of the Democratic candidates in 2000, I believe?
00:13:21.000 So I believe this was after all that.
00:13:24.000 That was a dark video when you saw him laying out the foundation that they had.
00:13:29.000 And the fact that he was willing to do that and say it all in an interview on television.
00:13:34.000 Yeah.
00:13:34.000 No, it was really, really creepy.
00:13:35.000 And it's very hard to not look back at that and go like, okay, well...
00:13:41.000 Not all of it came true exactly, but certainly there has been an agenda since 9-11 to have one regime change after the next in the Middle East.
00:13:51.000 It wasn't just, oh, we have to go to Afghanistan and, oh, we also have to go to Iraq because we think they have WMDs or something.
00:13:57.000 It's like, well, why then have there been these five subsequent countries that we also have to go and overthrow?
00:14:02.000 And no one ever, with the exception of Wesley Clark, no politician ever told the American people Hey, here's what our plan is.
00:14:10.000 This is what we want to do.
00:14:11.000 Do you guys agree with this or do you not agree with this?
00:14:14.000 You have no say in this.
00:14:16.000 We're doing this and each time we're going to claim that it's completely just like, oh, the humanitarian impulse, the people there.
00:14:22.000 Yeah.
00:14:24.000 The difference between what's happening now and in the past is, first of all, there's so much video, right?
00:14:30.000 Where you can see a guy like Wesley Clark talk about that.
00:14:33.000 But also that you can see video of the events actually happening.
00:14:36.000 Like, we have video of Saddam Hussein being hung. 1.00
00:14:39.000 We have video of Gaddafi being captured by those rebels where they stick a knife up his ass. 1.00
00:14:45.000 That video is... 1.00
00:14:46.000 That is one of the most bizarre videos.
00:14:49.000 Gaddafi... 1.00
00:14:50.000 In shock, not even responding to the fact that someone just stuck a knife up his ass. 1.00
00:14:55.000 Just completely gripped with terror knowing that this is the end and that the rebels have captured and they're all screaming and yelling and fucking going crazy. 1.00
00:15:05.000 Well, that's right.
00:15:06.000 And what's happened is that the corporate press has lost their monopoly on information that they had for all of our lives.
00:15:16.000 Right.
00:15:16.000 Like now it's like well you can get it from all these places and that there's good and bad that comes with that but they're also now flipping out and and you can see it like they're losing their grip on power and becoming more and more insane about it.
00:15:30.000 Well they've lost the ethics of journalism like this James O'Keefe thing on CNN where that guy who was he the chief whatever he is?
00:15:39.000 Yeah I forget his position but a big he was a pretty big CNN guy.
00:15:41.000 And the crazy thing is they catch him on tinder dates She must have been hot.
00:15:48.000 Hot girls will get you to talk. 1.00
00:15:50.000 So he's got this hot girl and he's telling her how they do propaganda.
00:15:54.000 How they basically would accentuate anything that was wrong with Trump.
00:15:58.000 They would talk about, they'd completely underplay anything that's wrong with Biden.
00:16:02.000 Which is, to be fair, pretty obvious to anyone who just has an open mind and watches CNN. But to hear him say it, it was powerful.
00:16:10.000 And the fact that he said they're going to do it now for climate change.
00:16:13.000 Yeah.
00:16:14.000 Wow.
00:16:14.000 And that push is already starting.
00:16:17.000 Yeah.
00:16:18.000 Can you imagine just like if you were like the head of CNN and you have to give a meeting in the morning and you're like, all right, so one more time, guys.
00:16:24.000 If a hot chick takes you out to a bar and starts asking you to tell her about how we're propaganda, that's James O'Keefe, alright?
00:16:31.000 So please don't just start babbling about how we do propaganda.
00:16:35.000 It's so crazy.
00:16:36.000 It's so weird to see it laid out like that.
00:16:39.000 Where, you know, he's explaining how they do it. 0.91
00:16:43.000 But what a blabbermouth.
00:16:45.000 The fact that this guy, like, you know, hey man...
00:16:48.000 This is kind of important.
00:16:50.000 Imagine if someone heard you say this.
00:16:53.000 Imagine what kind of repercussions it would have on the business. 0.98
00:16:56.000 Yeah, and the fact that it's funny because you almost want to envision it in like there's this grand plan or this conspiracy, but then you realize he's just a dude, just being a dude, just trying to like wag his dick in front of this girl like, yeah, let me tell you what we do over at CNN. Here, 0.98
00:17:12.000 you want another drink?
00:17:13.000 Yeah, we got that Trump guy out of there.
00:17:15.000 Yeah, it's pretty much all us.
00:17:16.000 Just bragging about it.
00:17:18.000 It reminds me of the Brian Williams thing where he told that lie about being under fire.
00:17:23.000 And you're like, it was purely just...
00:17:26.000 To look cool.
00:17:27.000 Right.
00:17:27.000 It wasn't even like he was trying to sell something.
00:17:29.000 He was just like, I'm pretty awesome.
00:17:31.000 The thing is, he was in Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever it was.
00:17:34.000 Was it Iraq or Afghanistan?
00:17:35.000 I think it was Iraq.
00:17:36.000 He was in a helicopter.
00:17:38.000 He was there.
00:17:39.000 He could have just said that.
00:17:40.000 But Hillary Clinton did the same thing. 1.00
00:17:42.000 Remember she said that she was under fire?
00:17:43.000 Yep.
00:17:44.000 And then the people that were there disputed it.
00:17:46.000 Do you remember that?
00:17:47.000 I think Sinbad came out.
00:17:49.000 I'm pretty sure Sinbad broke her down because he was performing there and he was like, we weren't under fire.
00:17:53.000 I might be wrong about that, but I think Sinbad blew the whistle on Hillary Clinton.
00:17:58.000 I hope it's Sinbad.
00:17:58.000 But it was a similar situation where she exaggerated the threat that was there.
00:18:05.000 When did you become so interested in international politics?
00:18:10.000 It was Ron Paul.
00:18:12.000 That Ron Paul 2008 campaign is what changed my life and sent me on this trajectory.
00:18:19.000 I guess I was a little bit interested just in the Bush years because it was like with the wars, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was in New York during 9-11, and so that kind of affected me.
00:18:32.000 And I was kind of interested in that stuff.
00:18:34.000 And then when the economy crashed in 2008, I was kind of like, wait, what the hell is going on here?
00:18:39.000 And then there was Ron Paul, who was – his whole campaign was centered around, well, here's what's going on in the wars and here's what's going on with the economy.
00:18:48.000 And the first time I saw him, I just happened to be watching the Fox News debate with him and Giuliani.
00:18:54.000 And it was just this little unknown baby doctor, Republican congressman from Texas, like our Texas, who just got up there and just said, listen, they don't hate us because we're free. 0.90
00:19:07.000 They hate us because we've been bombing the crap out of them for like decades. 0.95
00:19:11.000 And here's why. 0.99
00:19:12.000 And then Giuliani was like, that's offensive that you would say that. 0.99
00:19:15.000 See, this is what the woke shit used to be in the George W. Bush years. 1.00
00:19:19.000 It wasn't like, oh, that was a microaggression or you're a racist. 1.00
00:19:22.000 It was the right wing version of that.
00:19:24.000 It was, you said something that doesn't support the troops and I'd like you to publicly apologize for that.
00:19:29.000 And Ron Paul went, mm-hmm.
00:19:31.000 No.
00:19:31.000 So here's what happens, okay?
00:19:33.000 You know how the CIA coined the term blowback?
00:19:35.000 This is what they meant by blowback.
00:19:36.000 They mean that our covert operations have unintended consequences.
00:19:41.000 And if we think that we can just overthrow governments that we don't like, like we did in 1953 with Iran and when we installed a dictator, and then when they overthrew that dictator, guess who they hate?
00:19:52.000 America.
00:19:53.000 Right?
00:19:53.000 So that's what's happened.
00:19:54.000 And he just explained it perfectly.
00:19:56.000 It was irrefutable.
00:19:57.000 It was like the best art. 1.00
00:19:58.000 And I was like, who the fuck is that guy? 0.99
00:20:00.000 I want to learn more about him. 0.99
00:20:02.000 And then I just started down this journey.
00:20:04.000 And now here I am.
00:20:06.000 It's such a weird path for a stand-up comic. 0.99
00:20:09.000 Because out of all the comics that I know, you are for sure the most knowledgeable in this shit. 0.97
00:20:14.000 So much so that if I did know you were a comic, I'd go, oh, this guy probably teaches at some college somewhere. 0.98
00:20:19.000 Or he writes books on this.
00:20:21.000 He's a researcher. 1.00
00:20:22.000 You've got a really deep, deep understanding of the inner workings of this shit. 1.00
00:20:27.000 Well, you know what? 0.99
00:20:29.000 When I started getting into this stuff, I was doing stand-up and I was just managing to not have a day job.
00:20:37.000 I was just at the level where I could be broke But get by off comedy.
00:20:44.000 Like, Jay was taking me out on the road with him and stuff, and so I was doing enough gigs that I could just make my bills out.
00:20:50.000 And so I had a lot of free time.
00:20:54.000 You know what I mean?
00:20:54.000 I was like, okay, I got maybe an hour of work today.
00:20:57.000 And then I'll write a little bit or something. 1.00
00:20:59.000 And I just got obsessed with this shit. 0.99
00:21:01.000 And I had the internet. 0.99
00:21:03.000 And so I had that and, you know, like I so I just got obsessed with it and I found all these different thinkers, Murray Rothbard, Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Scott Horton, like all these really, really smart guys who are breaking all this shit down. 0.50
00:21:19.000 And I just I don't know.
00:21:21.000 I just got completely obsessed with it.
00:21:23.000 Yeah, and I found out about you because of Ari. 0.94
00:21:25.000 Because you were on Ari's show.
00:21:27.000 You would do this yearly State of the Year.
00:21:30.000 State of the Union.
00:21:32.000 We still do it every year.
00:21:33.000 Yeah.
00:21:33.000 When do you do it?
00:21:34.000 What month?
00:21:35.000 Well, we usually do it around the summertime, like early summer, June or something like that.
00:21:40.000 But sometimes it varies, because Ari will be out in El Salvador for six months or something.
00:21:46.000 And then you're like...
00:21:46.000 He just got back.
00:21:47.000 Yeah, from Ecuador.
00:21:48.000 Yeah.
00:21:49.000 He wasn't even telling anybody where he was.
00:21:51.000 I'm like, they're going to find you in Ecuador? 0.97
00:21:53.000 What are you fucking top secret squirrel about over there, buddy? 0.94
00:21:56.000 He's got some elaborate Andy Kaufman-esque mission in his mind. 0.99
00:22:01.000 He's free.
00:22:02.000 He's one of the most free people I've ever met.
00:22:05.000 That's for sure.
00:22:06.000 He's the only guy that I've ever met that legitimately put his phone down, put his laptop down, and vanished for months.
00:22:13.000 And then when he came back and contacted me, I was like, what have you been doing, man? 0.96
00:22:17.000 And he was fucking backpacking through Asia. 0.94
00:22:20.000 And he was just not famous enough where he could get away with staying in hostels and living like a 20-year-old hiker. 0.99
00:22:28.000 Yeah.
00:22:28.000 It's unbelievable, but he seems to be enjoying it.
00:22:32.000 Oh, he loves freedom, man. 0.99
00:22:34.000 Out of all the people that I know, I mean, I don't know what happened to him when he was a child where too many people told him what to do, but he doesn't want to hear that shit. 0.99
00:22:42.000 You know, he has no desire to be told what to do. 0.98
00:22:45.000 Sometimes it gets him in trouble.
00:22:48.000 Occasionally.
00:22:49.000 Occasionally.
00:22:49.000 He tries to slay a few too many sacred cows.
00:22:52.000 Dude, did he send you the video? 0.98
00:22:54.000 I won't mention anything about the contents of it, but he sent me this video that was like the funniest, most wildly offensive shit, and I was like, wait, dude, you're not putting that out, right? 0.84
00:23:02.000 I totally delete that now. 0.64
00:23:03.000 I go, you send it to me, and I'm going to send it to other people, and I go, and the world ends.
00:23:08.000 I was like, dude, please don't put this out.
00:23:10.000 Just don't.
00:23:10.000 Just skip this one.
00:23:11.000 It's really funny, but just not this one.
00:23:14.000 He had dental surgery in Ecuador, and he had two black eyes.
00:23:18.000 I'm like, bro, what did they do to you?
00:23:20.000 Did they put you under?
00:23:21.000 Did they punch you in the face while you were under?
00:23:23.000 Where'd you get the black eyes?
00:23:24.000 I know.
00:23:25.000 And his nose is messed up.
00:23:26.000 I just saw him the other night.
00:23:27.000 His nose is messed up.
00:23:28.000 His eyes are messed up.
00:23:29.000 I'm like, no, no.
00:23:30.000 You know, I'm no expert, but I don't think that's how it's supposed to look after you get a little work on your gums done.
00:23:36.000 Can you get like an Airbnb in Ecuador?
00:23:38.000 Can you just go get a place?
00:23:40.000 Is that what he did?
00:23:42.000 We both know who to ask, and it's all right.
00:23:44.000 Yeah, there he is.
00:23:47.000 This is what happens when he does pass sit paw on the left-hand side. 0.99
00:23:51.000 Yeah, that's quite a fucked up looking set of black eyes. 0.98
00:23:58.000 Aside from that, he looks good, though. 0.99
00:24:00.000 Oh, yeah.
00:24:00.000 He looks healthy.
00:24:01.000 Yeah.
00:24:02.000 He's healthy.
00:24:04.000 He got shot up with the Moderna as soon as he got back.
00:24:07.000 I'm like, that's the one that's supposed to give you the worst side effects, buddy.
00:24:11.000 Allegedly.
00:24:12.000 Well, hey.
00:24:13.000 Gotta follow the science.
00:24:17.000 It's a weird time because everything's so politicized.
00:24:19.000 There's a great video that a doctor put up.
00:24:21.000 It's really funny.
00:24:23.000 A doctor on Instagram.
00:24:25.000 It's funny, excuse me, on YouTube.
00:24:27.000 It's funny because, Jamie, remember we were talking about vapors the other day where the guy does the vape tricks?
00:24:31.000 Well, this doctor shows how masks don't work at all. 0.99
00:24:36.000 A lot of masks that people wear, particularly like bandanas, he's like fucking totally useless. 0.97
00:24:40.000 And so he takes a hit of vape, and then he puts these masks on, and then blows, and the vape literally comes right out of the mask. 0.98
00:24:48.000 And he's like, this is exactly what's happening to your breath.
00:24:51.000 And he said in COVID particles, the particles of the virus, the viral particles are much smaller than the particles of this vape.
00:24:57.000 He goes, they're going right through these masks.
00:24:59.000 And he goes, unless you have a sealed mask over your face...
00:25:04.000 It's been something, man, over this last year to watch.
00:25:07.000 It's like, I don't know how else you could describe it other than just mass hysteria.
00:25:13.000 You're not even allowed to just have any reasonable, nuanced perspective where people are flipping out about Tom Brady.
00:25:23.000 At the Super Bowl when he got out of his limo and like walked outside without a mask.
00:25:28.000 Because he didn't have a mask, yeah.
00:25:29.000 He's like a hundred feet away from the nearest person outside and they're mad he doesn't have a mask on.
00:25:34.000 Dude, it's hilarious.
00:25:36.000 It has nothing to do with whether or not he's putting people in danger.
00:25:40.000 It has to do with compliance.
00:25:41.000 Yes.
00:25:41.000 It has to do with people saying, he's not doing what you're supposed to.
00:25:45.000 That's right.
00:25:45.000 Do what you're supposed to, Tom.
00:25:47.000 I don't care how many fucking Super Bowls you win. 1.00
00:25:48.000 You killed my grandma. 1.00
00:25:50.000 Right. 0.99
00:25:50.000 Yes. 0.99
00:25:51.000 This year has been an incredible gift to would-be authoritarian regular people who now have been given public license to kind of like crack down on somebody for not following these rules.
00:26:08.000 Anyone who's ever lived in an apartment building in a city...
00:26:12.000 There's always one person in there who's just trying to enforce the rules on everybody else.
00:26:18.000 Oh, you put recycling in the wrong thing.
00:26:21.000 And it's like every one of those people in our society has been granted free reign.
00:26:27.000 Yeah.
00:26:28.000 Yeah, it's been weird to watch.
00:26:31.000 It's been weird to watch people adopt.
00:26:33.000 Because it's one of those things like, put a mask on is one of those things where when people tell you there's no real right way to respond.
00:26:41.000 If you're walking down the street and someone goes, put a mask on!
00:26:44.000 You can't go, have you read the studies?
00:26:46.000 Because the studies show that when you're outside, the sunlight kills COVID almost instantly.
00:26:51.000 No. 1.00
00:26:51.000 It's like you're an asshole. 1.00
00:26:53.000 You're instantly an asshole. 1.00
00:26:54.000 If you're playing a game, they scored 75 points. 1.00
00:26:57.000 Put a mask on!
00:26:58.000 And you're like, oh, I'm going to try to relay some scientific information about COVID and UV light, but at most you're going to get like 10 points.
00:27:06.000 Do you remember, I think you shared this video recently, but it was an old Noam Chomsky video where he was just talking about the effectiveness of calling someone a racist or a sexist or a Nazi or something like that.
00:27:17.000 And you go, as soon as you start defending yourself, you're now the guy saying, I'm not a racist.
00:27:24.000 You've already lost. 0.99
00:27:26.000 So this is why this shit persists so much because it's so effective. 1.00
00:27:29.000 It puts you in this binary position like, well, you can either agree that you are a racist or be the guy who's like, I'm not a racist. 1.00
00:27:36.000 I have black friends and I have this. 1.00
00:27:38.000 And you're like, you already sound like an asshole. 1.00
00:27:40.000 So it's the same with the COVID thing. 1.00
00:27:42.000 As soon as you start going down this line, you're like, well, you're not taking the harsh stance of caring about racism.
00:27:48.000 People that I am. 1.00
00:27:50.000 But it's bullshit. 0.95
00:27:51.000 And one of my favorite things, one of my favorite Joe Rogan moments ever was when the first UFC back. 0.98
00:27:58.000 It was such a Joe Rogan moment.
00:28:01.000 It was the first UFC back and everyone's like, oh, we're doing this.
00:28:04.000 So there's this kind of energy of like, oh my God, there's an event.
00:28:06.000 And you just at one point go, I think it was about how distanced you guys were. 0.85
00:28:11.000 And you were like, but this is stupid because we were all just together backstage. 0.98
00:28:15.000 You say it on air. 0.99
00:28:17.000 We're hugging. 1.00
00:28:17.000 It's such a Rogan moment because you're just like, no one else is saying this, but I'm just going to say, this is stupid. 1.00
00:28:24.000 Well, not only that, we were all tested. 1.00
00:28:26.000 Everybody was tested.
00:28:27.000 We were in a COVID bubble.
00:28:28.000 Everybody had been tested in advance.
00:28:30.000 Everybody had been tested the day of the event.
00:28:32.000 They were super strict about it.
00:28:34.000 And then there were some people that- New people that were positive, and those people got kicked out of the event.
00:28:42.000 Like, if a corner man tested positive, even if the athlete didn't test positive, they still kicked him out.
00:28:47.000 It was pretty well done.
00:28:48.000 I mean, the UFC, hats off to them.
00:28:50.000 They did a fantastic job.
00:28:52.000 Oh, it's incredible.
00:28:53.000 It's incredible what they did.
00:28:56.000 There were so many things right away that you're just like, this doesn't make sense.
00:29:00.000 And they're all around us, all over the place today.
00:29:03.000 And I hate this idea that, okay, so we just completely overhauled our societal norms over this last year.
00:29:11.000 And I'm not allowed to just point out when they make absolutely no sense.
00:29:17.000 Last time I was here, in November, when I came out and did the show, I was at my hotel.
00:29:23.000 And we're in the hotel lobby and there's like a bar in the hotel lobby and then, you know, like chairs out in the lobby.
00:29:30.000 And this older guy sits down in the chair and he takes his mask off.
00:29:35.000 And the woman behind the desk was like, sir, sir, you have to keep your mask on.
00:29:40.000 And then you look at this and then you just pan over this way and there's people at the bar sitting down with their masks off drinking whiskey.
00:29:46.000 And you're just like sitting here and you're like, how am I supposed to look at this and not go...
00:29:52.000 This is insane.
00:29:53.000 Either that doesn't make sense or that doesn't make sense.
00:29:56.000 But the two of them together do not make sense.
00:29:58.000 Me and my kid went to dinner the other day.
00:30:00.000 Me and one of my daughters. 0.92
00:30:02.000 And while we were walking through the restaurant, we were laughing about how silly it is.
00:30:07.000 I go, okay, now finally we sit down.
00:30:10.000 We're in our protected bubble.
00:30:11.000 We can take our mask off.
00:30:13.000 But when we were standing up three feet away, gotta wear that mask.
00:30:16.000 Super important.
00:30:17.000 We're all in a room together.
00:30:19.000 We're all in a room together, we're breathing the same air, and no one has a mask on while we're sitting down.
00:30:23.000 But when you get up to go to the bathroom, better put that mask on.
00:30:26.000 It's very important.
00:30:26.000 So we've developed these sort of patterns that we expect people to follow, and if you comply with those patterns, we know you're a good person.
00:30:33.000 And if you don't, the worst case scenario is what's happening in Canada. 0.95
00:30:38.000 Where, I mean, I'm sure you saw that one pastor who's screaming and yelling, get out, you Nazis! 0.98
00:30:45.000 Get out of my church! 0.59
00:30:47.000 It was on Passover, and this guy was freaking out because they were telling him you can't have a service because there's too many people there.
00:30:52.000 And then, I'm not sure if it was the same church or if it was another church, but there was a church video not long after that where there was 200 cops showed up, militarized violence.
00:31:06.000 Bulletproof vests, gas masks, the whole thing. 0.99
00:31:09.000 And you're like, what in the fuck? 0.99
00:31:10.000 You guys are going to people that are at church. 1.00
00:31:12.000 Like, they've taken the most authoritarian approach.
00:31:16.000 And for people that don't understand the difference between the United States and our politics and the freedoms that are provided to us by the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, by our Bill of Rights, by the Constitution...
00:31:28.000 Canada is very different.
00:31:29.000 First of all, they do not have a First Amendment.
00:31:32.000 They don't have a freedom of assembly.
00:31:34.000 They don't have the same rights that are bestowed upon them by their constitution.
00:31:38.000 We think of them as the same as us, but they're not.
00:31:41.000 Justin Trudeau and the government over there and the local governments, whether it's in Ontario or wherever it is, they have way more power over the people.
00:31:49.000 They enforce human rights laws.
00:31:51.000 And this is all the stuff that Jordan Peterson was freaking out about a long time ago.
00:31:55.000 He's like, you've got to understand.
00:31:56.000 And he did understand from a perspective of being a Canadian.
00:31:59.000 It's like, this stuff goes badly.
00:32:02.000 It's very easy when you're dealing with Jordan Peterson when he's speaking out about the Bill C-16 or one of these things.
00:32:10.000 All right, well, they're just kind of making you call a trans person their preferred pronouns.
00:32:15.000 It's just kind of this small thing.
00:32:16.000 But you have these legal precedents that are set.
00:32:19.000 And then when the big thing comes, they already have the precedent to say, well, we don't have to respect your freedom to gather or your freedom of speech or any of this.
00:32:28.000 It's a very dangerous road to go down.
00:32:30.000 And even, look, even here in America, we...
00:32:34.000 The Constitution and the Bill of Rights and all of this is still just kind of an idea.
00:32:39.000 Like, you know, Governor Murphy, the governor of New Jersey, I don't know if you saw this, it was last April or May.
00:32:46.000 It was pretty early into the lockdown stuff when he was on Tucker Carlson's show.
00:32:49.000 Did you see that?
00:32:50.000 No.
00:32:51.000 So Tucker Carlson, again, feel however you feel about him.
00:32:54.000 He's good on some things.
00:32:55.000 He's bad on some things.
00:32:56.000 But he gave one of the lockdown governors a really tough interview at the height of it.
00:33:02.000 And very few people were doing that.
00:33:04.000 And he said to Governor Murphy, straight up, he goes, okay, so he talked about this thing that had just happened where I think like 15 Jewish people were arrested for going to synagogue.
00:33:13.000 And he goes, okay, so you just arrested these people for going to synagogue.
00:33:16.000 Where do you get that authority?
00:33:18.000 I mean this is a clearly constitutionally protected right.
00:33:22.000 Like you can read the First Amendment and no, you don't have the right to do this.
00:33:26.000 And Murphy just responds without any hesitation.
00:33:30.000 He responds, we weren't thinking about the Bill of Rights.
00:33:32.000 He goes, that's above my pay grade.
00:33:34.000 He goes, what we're thinking about is the health issue.
00:33:36.000 So he just told you straight up that like – Well, we repealed the Bill of Rights, at least for this moment.
00:33:43.000 And basically, that's what happened all around the country.
00:33:46.000 The United States of America went totalitarian in 2020. Now, you can believe it's justified because of the virus.
00:33:54.000 I'm not even arguing that.
00:33:56.000 But the fact is, I mean, like, the word totalitarian gets overused.
00:34:00.000 But how would you describe 2020 other than totalitarian?
00:34:05.000 When you have...
00:34:07.000 We're good to go.
00:34:36.000 But people that think they're on the right side don't ever think that's going to happen with their ideology.
00:34:43.000 Like, woke totalitarians never connect themselves to people like Stalin.
00:34:49.000 They never connect themselves to Marx.
00:34:51.000 They don't think of the fact that they want people to be completely compelled to follow their ideology with all the horrible examples in history of people being compelled to follow an ideology.
00:35:05.000 Forced! 0.58
00:35:06.000 Because it's one of those things that when the Patriot Act was put in place, some of the people that were sounding the alarms were saying, look, Obama is probably not going to do horrible things with this.
00:35:17.000 But what if the next person who gets elected president does?
00:35:21.000 These powers stay.
00:35:23.000 You don't get to take them back.
00:35:25.000 Well, hey, this president is kind of wacky.
00:35:27.000 We're going to pull some of these acts back.
00:35:28.000 We're going to rescind the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, because we don't trust this new president.
00:35:33.000 We're going to change the laws.
00:35:34.000 We're going to take away power from the government.
00:35:36.000 Well, they never do that.
00:35:37.000 I was really hopeful, and foolishly so, but I was really hopeful that when it was Trump, maybe some people on the left would have woken up to that.
00:35:46.000 And been like, oh yeah, you know, all that hypothetical, it could be somebody who you really hate.
00:35:51.000 Well, guess what?
00:35:51.000 Now it is.
00:35:52.000 So maybe we should make the presidency not so powerful.
00:35:55.000 So just in case the guy you hate so much gets in there, you know, he doesn't have all of this power.
00:36:01.000 But that just wasn't the conversation at all.
00:36:02.000 It was just racist and Russia and that's it. 0.94
00:36:05.000 I mean, I just don't see how we're ever going to get past the fact that most of these people who become politicians are not the people that you would want to be in charge.
00:36:16.000 Most of them.
00:36:17.000 Most of them.
00:36:18.000 Like, if you're looking at Nancy Pelosi and you're like, yeah, I want her running everything. 0.80
00:36:22.000 I don't know what to say, if that's your perspective.
00:36:25.000 But for me, I go, oh, that's not ideal.
00:36:29.000 This is not this person who's very enlightened and calm and peaceful and really wants the world to be better.
00:36:38.000 No, this is some strange creature that exists out of politics that wears African garb and gets on her knees. 1.00
00:36:46.000 You remember that thing with her and Schumer where they put the fucking, the robes on and the hat on? 0.99
00:36:52.000 Like, this is theater. 0.99
00:36:53.000 This is like crazy people theater.
00:36:55.000 But that's the point, right?
00:36:56.000 That this is theater.
00:36:57.000 This is all, and so much of it is that. 0.99
00:36:59.000 And so much of the corporate woke shit, all of that. 0.99
00:37:01.000 This is theater. 1.00
00:37:02.000 You are power brokers, and you're really counting on people being stupid, and unfortunately, I guess too many of them are, to really buy into the fact that this is some real display. 0.99
00:37:12.000 You are just using this in order to consolidate more power, because that's what drives these people. 0.99
00:37:18.000 And that's the thing that I really try to drive home, especially to left-wing people, about all the woke shit, is that you're like, just look, take a step back and look at what's happening here. 0.98
00:37:31.000 This is all being used to fool you. 0.98
00:37:33.000 Do you think it's a coincidence that JPMorgan Chase, they're building floats in the gay pride parade and the fact that Raytheon is putting out these press releases about how we're a very inclusive place for transgender people to work and all this.
00:37:48.000 It's like they're buying you off. 0.99
00:37:50.000 They're just trying to say, hey, if we throw you this token, then can we continue doing all the horrible shit that a good leftist should have a problem with? 0.99
00:37:59.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:38:01.000 I think Jordan Peterson and James Lindsay.
00:38:06.000 You had him on, right?
00:38:07.000 James Lindsay.
00:38:07.000 These guys, they do a great job of breaking down the academic roots of wokeism.
00:38:16.000 All this stuff about critical theory and the Frankfurt School and the postmodernists.
00:38:20.000 And they're right, I think, just about all of it. 0.96
00:38:23.000 But to me, the real interesting thing about what's actually going on now Why are they pushing all this shit all of a sudden? 0.97
00:38:40.000 And I think it's pretty obvious that they were like, well, this is the perfect tactic for them. 0.94
00:38:44.000 That they can, this is their way to buy off the left-wing resistance to them, placate them with nonsense that doesn't actually require them giving up any power, and pit the left-wingers and the right-wingers against each other to be fighting this culture war.
00:38:59.000 And what is the actual agenda here?
00:39:02.000 Where it's like, well, we have to stay in Afghanistan because of feminism. 1.00
00:39:05.000 It's like...
00:39:06.000 So it's the same thing.
00:39:07.000 It's the same thing it was during the Bush years.
00:39:09.000 It's the same thing now.
00:39:10.000 It's the same corporate interest pushing it.
00:39:11.000 It's the same big government in bed with them. 1.00
00:39:13.000 And all this shit is just a distraction. 1.00
00:39:16.000 Yeah, they've handed them out some wonderful sheep costumes that they can wear. 1.00
00:39:20.000 And the wolves put the costumes on and zip it up.
00:39:22.000 Yep.
00:39:23.000 Yep.
00:39:24.000 We're with you.
00:39:25.000 Totally.
00:39:26.000 You know, it's like you had, you know, was it 10 years ago, the left-wingers are outside the big banks and they're chanting, we are the 99%.
00:39:34.000 And what did they really mean by that?
00:39:37.000 They didn't even mean 99%.
00:39:38.000 They meant 99.9%.
00:39:40.000 They were talking about people who own banks.
00:39:42.000 It's the rest of us versus the people who own banks.
00:39:44.000 The people who own a hedge fund versus everybody else, right?
00:39:48.000 That's their populist message, right?
00:39:50.000 And then...
00:39:51.000 You have the big banks going like, well, how about this?
00:39:56.000 We will send all of our white execs to diversity training. 0.85
00:40:03.000 Is that a good deal?
00:40:04.000 Good deal now?
00:40:05.000 We're all in?
00:40:06.000 And it's kind of like, oh, okay.
00:40:07.000 And now, instead of the 99%, what is the message?
00:40:11.000 It's like, well, we are the 5%, and we're the 13%, and we're the 7%, and everyone's fighting everyone.
00:40:17.000 All this woke messaging is the exact opposite of 99%.
00:40:21.000 They did a very good job of tearing that whole movement apart, tearing that whole impulse apart.
00:40:29.000 That it's like everyone versus the really powerful people. 0.98
00:40:32.000 But you know what happened when Occupy Wall Street was going down, one of the first things the government did is infiltrate Occupy, fill it up with government agents that started doing crazy shit. 0.94
00:40:40.000 So they start, you know, agent provocateurs.
00:40:44.000 So agent provocateurs will always enter into any, whenever there's something that's a problem for the government that is essentially peaceful, so there's no real way that they can break it up.
00:40:56.000 What they'll do is they'll infiltrate, and either they'll have these agent provocateurs start smashing windows and lighting things on fire, or they'll have them start making plans to do violence, and they'll recruit other people to do it, and then they arrest everybody.
00:41:09.000 And they sow division within the movement, so all these people are turning against each other, then they co-op it.
00:41:15.000 It's wild.
00:41:16.000 What we do with other countries, we also do with things that happen domestically.
00:41:20.000 It's the same kind of intel ops that they do in other countries. 0.98
00:41:25.000 Well, I mean, if you're trusting the people who we know do this shit in other countries to govern us here, why would you expect any better than that? 0.97
00:41:34.000 It's so funny when they expect the people who will just slaughter hundreds of thousands in third world countries to then run our welfare programs here. 1.00
00:41:44.000 So you think all of a sudden they want to take care of you?
00:41:47.000 It's like, would you let someone who's killed kids babysit your kid?
00:41:51.000 Because they go, well, he killed kids over there.
00:41:53.000 I mean, I'm sure he'll take care of my kids.
00:41:55.000 I wouldn't want those people anywhere around anyone's kids. 0.99
00:41:59.000 You know the weird thing about all this shit, Dave, is that I don't see any solution. 0.99
00:42:03.000 I don't see a path out of this. 0.99
00:42:06.000 And I also think that even when I talk to you, I know so little about this stuff in comparison to you.
00:42:11.000 And when I talk to you about it and I think of catching up, I'm like, oh my god, how much time would that take?
00:42:17.000 And then I think of the average person and how much time the average person actually has to pay attention to the way the world works and how much time they have to dedicate to making things better.
00:42:27.000 So someone who comes along with platitudes and someone who comes along with the right slogans and someone who comes along with the right vibe, whether it's...
00:42:34.000 You know, someone who looks the part like an AOC or someone, you know, someone along those lines.
00:42:38.000 People just will blindly follow them hoping that this is the right thing, A, and B, they know that by pledging allegiance to this person who other people have kind of agreed is the right choice, then they'll be included in the group of people that's doing the right thing,
00:42:56.000 good people.
00:42:57.000 Whereas everybody else will be on the other tribe and so then it becomes this weird tribal divide which is a constant state in this country.
00:43:04.000 Yeah.
00:43:04.000 Where we have these ideologies and we were talking before about how it's never been more clear than ever that people on the far left and people on the far right are basically the same person.
00:43:15.000 They're these real maniacs who have Completely ignored nuance and adopted their ideology so wholly and are fighting against the other side so completely that they can't see the forest for the trees.
00:43:28.000 They're just committed to one side, this one thing they've committed to.
00:43:32.000 Right.
00:43:34.000 It's becoming obvious in the country that it's like things are spinning out.
00:43:37.000 Things are spinning out of control.
00:43:38.000 And I think pretty much everybody has to see at this point that like this country is in real trouble.
00:43:43.000 Like we're on like a suicide mission here.
00:43:46.000 This is a whole new place of unsustainability than we've been in the past.
00:43:52.000 And it's easy to see, right?
00:43:53.000 So you're absolutely right.
00:43:54.000 It's like the left wing and the right wing are like spinning out of control and getting crazier and crazier.
00:43:58.000 But to me, I think the real story of the 21st century in America How we went from the Clinton 90s to where we are today, you know, in such a good place as a country.
00:44:09.000 I mean, there were lots of problems, but we weren't on a national suicide like we are now.
00:44:14.000 But to me, the real story is that the center became the radicals.
00:44:19.000 Right.
00:44:42.000 With Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham and the adults, you know, in the room who have destroyed the entire country.
00:44:48.000 And I look at it like this, right?
00:44:51.000 Like, let's say, hypothetically, if you – let's say we lived in a society that you, Joe Rogan, would consider a pretty decent society.
00:45:00.000 Like, you know, I'd say what you want.
00:45:04.000 I don't even know exactly what that would be, but what you would be like, oh, this is a pretty normal society. 0.99
00:45:08.000 We don't fight stupid wars. 0.98
00:45:10.000 We're not all at each other's throats. 1.00
00:45:12.000 There's good health care, good education.
00:45:14.000 It's a reasonably what Joe Rogan wants society.
00:45:17.000 And so now you're the centrist.
00:45:20.000 Who supports the status quo?
00:45:21.000 Because you like the country.
00:45:22.000 You like what the government's doing.
00:45:23.000 You think this is all good.
00:45:24.000 And then some radicals came to you and made proposals.
00:45:27.000 Like, this is what I think we should do instead of this society that you have. 0.99
00:45:31.000 And let's say one was the most radical left-winger that you know today, and one was the most radical right-winger that you know today, saying all of their crazy shit. 0.97
00:45:38.000 And you have the left-wingers like, we should have the woke police and hate speech laws and all of this. 0.98
00:45:42.000 And the right-wingers like, we should be nationalist and we should build a wall and whatever it is.
00:45:46.000 And then there was someone else.
00:45:53.000 I think we should.
00:46:09.000 And put people in there for non-violent, victimless crimes.
00:46:12.000 I think we should tax people and then bail out big banks and big corporations with the money.
00:46:17.000 And you're just looking at these three people.
00:46:19.000 Would it be obvious who the radical is?
00:46:21.000 Would you look at the left-winger and the right-winger and say, well, that's really crazy, but this guy really has something to say. 0.99
00:46:27.000 I think there's an argument that that's the most radical shit you could propose. 0.97
00:46:32.000 So now those guys became the extremists, and now they have no leg to stand on to tell a radical leftist or a radical right-winger, well, you're being a little bit too radical. 1.00
00:46:43.000 Fuck you. 1.00
00:46:44.000 You're too radical. 1.00
00:46:45.000 Look at this whole goddamn system. 1.00
00:46:46.000 You inherited America and destroyed it. 1.00
00:46:49.000 So who are you? 1.00
00:46:50.000 And then, truthfully, Donald Trump, I think, signified the, yeah, fuck the whole establishment. 0.99
00:46:56.000 And then he did such a bad job with it that he handed them back one last out where Joe Biden could go, eh. 0.99
00:47:04.000 Isn't normal a little bit better than this?
00:47:06.000 Let's come back to normal. 1.00
00:47:08.000 But the problem is that normal is all of that extremist radical shit that destroyed the country. 0.99
00:47:13.000 So that's where we are now. 0.99
00:47:15.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:47:16.000 I saw so many people on Twitter saying it's so wonderful to have normalcy restored at the White House.
00:47:22.000 You know he's going to bed at night at a normal time, and he's probably being loving to his wife.
00:47:29.000 And you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:32.000 But what are we doing as a country overseas?
00:47:34.000 What is happening with the country?
00:47:36.000 And it's crazy how there's always some new social event, some new thing that happens, whether it's I think?
00:48:02.000 And force them against each other.
00:48:04.000 There's so many people now that are on edge. 1.00
00:48:09.000 After the Capitol Hill attack, rightly so, Jesus Christ, the fact that we got that close to these fucking maniacs literally almost killing representatives. 1.00
00:48:19.000 As crazy as it gets, a guy with war paint on and a fucking buffalo helmet. 1.00
00:48:26.000 Is shirtless, standing on the floor of the Senate. 0.99
00:48:29.000 It was a pretty wild scene. 1.00
00:48:30.000 Wild fucking scene. 1.00
00:48:32.000 But is that our biggest problem? 1.00
00:48:34.000 Like, what is our biggest problem? 0.99
00:48:35.000 First of all, how the fuck did we get there? 0.98
00:48:38.000 Like, what is getting us there? 0.97
00:48:39.000 Is it social media?
00:48:41.000 What's accentuating this divide between us?
00:48:44.000 And how come we can't see the argument laid out the way you just laid it out?
00:48:48.000 How come we can't see like, hey, look at what has gone on in the world by following this path that we think is like the standard path.
00:48:56.000 We think is like normalcy.
00:48:58.000 We think is like back to basics.
00:49:00.000 Well, it's because we're so like zoomed in.
00:49:03.000 We're so like living in the 24 hour cycle, you know, of like what just happened or what just happened.
00:49:08.000 I mean, like stories like like the accusation that Donald Trump was colluding with a hostile foreign power is like, what?
00:49:16.000 That's years ago.
00:49:17.000 You know what I mean?
00:49:18.000 Like, that's not even like we're talking about what happened on the 6th of January when they, you know, but if you just zoom out a little bit more.
00:49:25.000 And you're like, okay, but what really happened here?
00:49:28.000 And why were the right-wingers willing to go with Donald Trump?
00:49:32.000 And why are they willing to storm the Capitol?
00:49:34.000 And even if it's just a few hundred storming, the rest of them at least protesting, and tens of millions don't believe the election was legitimate at all.
00:49:41.000 And why do they have such little faith in all of these institutions?
00:49:45.000 And I think, again, you could zoom back very far, but just keeping it in the last 20 years, it's like, well, look at everything.
00:49:53.000 Look at what everything was. 0.99
00:49:55.000 They fought all of these wars that everyone knows are bullshit. 0.99
00:49:59.000 They've robbed the American people and just given all the money to huge corporations, the big banks. 1.00
00:50:05.000 We have just incredible levels of corruption.
00:50:08.000 I mean, just like baked into the cake now, where we have this society where there's like...
00:50:12.000 Crazy low interest rates and crazy high government spending.
00:50:16.000 So all of the new wealth – I mean Bernie Sanders nails it when he talks about this, although I don't think he looks at those as the reasons.
00:50:22.000 But it's like all of the new wealth coming in disproportionately goes to the top.
00:50:27.000 The whole system is completely skewed toward the already powerful because you have low interest rates.
00:50:32.000 So now you have a whole speculating economy.
00:50:35.000 Everyone's got to get in investments and stocks and bonds and try to make money that way.
00:50:38.000 And so, of course, the Wall Street speculators make crazy profits.
00:50:41.000 And then if they fail, they get bailed out.
00:50:43.000 And you have record high government spending. 0.99
00:50:45.000 So the politically connected are getting all this fucking money. 1.00
00:50:47.000 So regular people are just more and more starting to realize, like, hey, this whole system is bullshit. 1.00
00:50:52.000 And fuck it. 1.00
00:50:53.000 I don't believe it anymore. 1.00
00:50:54.000 And I think it...
00:50:56.000 Bubbled over to a point on both sides, on the left and the right.
00:50:59.000 But then there's like, okay, well, I understand what you're saying and you're making a lot of sense, but what's the solution?
00:51:04.000 Like, how do we stop something like the Capitol Hill riot from ever happening again?
00:51:09.000 How do we, you know, here's another one.
00:51:11.000 How do you clean up the police?
00:51:13.000 How do you fix this thing?
00:51:14.000 I don't think defunding the police is right.
00:51:16.000 I think you probably need to train them and make it much more difficult to become a cop, make it much more respectable, but how do you do that?
00:51:23.000 How do you do that at this stage of the game?
00:51:25.000 Because this is crazy.
00:51:27.000 The solution is libertarianism.
00:51:29.000 And I know that a lot of people, it's easy to just kind of laugh that off or whatever, but this really is, I'm not saying it has to be like my exact perfect, you know, like you have to agree with me on everything, but the clear solution to all of this is liberty. 0.98
00:51:44.000 It is all of this shit.
00:51:46.000 Is a deviation from what America was really supposed to be, which is basically the Declaration and the Bill of Rights, which are still pretty damn good. 0.99
00:51:54.000 And if we just followed them, we'd be in a much better place.
00:51:57.000 I'll tell you, with the police stuff, look, you're never going to have a perfect...
00:52:02.000 I think? 0.84
00:52:17.000 End qualified immunity, end civil asset forfeiture, end the no-knock raids, and particularly raids over bullshit.
00:52:25.000 Like, there should never be a SWAT raid unless someone is in imminent danger.
00:52:31.000 I mean, okay, there's a hostage situation or something like that, but my God, a SWAT raid over suspicion of drug possession? 0.99
00:52:38.000 This shit is insane, which is what Breonna Taylor died from, right? 1.00
00:52:42.000 Just end all of this shit. 1.00
00:52:44.000 Those five policies right there What's the immunity one? 0.99
00:52:52.000 Qualified immunity basically means that police officers in certain situations, not all situations, but basically are immune from being sued the way other people could be sued.
00:53:04.000 So if you are a police officer and you do something that anybody else would have a lawsuit against you for, they're protected under qualified immunity.
00:53:12.000 They did something about that in New York City, right?
00:53:15.000 I'm not sure.
00:53:16.000 I know there was a proposal for that.
00:53:17.000 I'm not sure what ended up coming from it.
00:53:19.000 I think it passed.
00:53:20.000 You might be right about that.
00:53:21.000 I think you're allowed to have civil lawsuits against New York City Police Department.
00:53:25.000 I think that would do a lot to help.
00:53:27.000 A lot to help.
00:53:28.000 And I've got to say, honestly, I think that perhaps the guilty verdict in this case against Derek Chauvin will make another cop think twice if they're in a situation like that, which I think that...
00:53:41.000 It's certainly a good thing.
00:53:43.000 But just to your other question about the bigger stuff with just the government in general, like what's the answer to not making people want to storm the Capitol?
00:53:52.000 I really think that, and I just mean this from almost like a medical perspective, like this is why the country's going to die and this is the only thing that could solve the problem, is some type of decentralization, limiting of the power of the federal government The reason why people are so worked up about every presidential election is just because the federal government has too much damn power.
00:54:16.000 And whoever is the president is now like half the country has to live under Biden's rule right now and they hate that.
00:54:23.000 And the other half of the country would have had to live under another four years of Donald Trump and they hate that.
00:54:27.000 And so I think the answer is just to reduce the size and power of the federal government, make it not that consequential who the president is, make more decisions on local levels, on community levels, on state levels, everything before you get to the federal government.
00:54:43.000 And just on a practical level, the federal government doesn't do a good job at any of it.
00:54:48.000 So to me, this is the thing.
00:54:49.000 But I would say that like the big issues that – and this is why like I'm real all in on the Libertarian Party and I know people laugh off the Libertarian Party sometimes and not all of the candidates they've put out have been great and not all of the messaging has been that great either.
00:55:02.000 But the Democrats and the Republicans are like rotten to their core.
00:55:05.000 They're just completely corrupt parties that do nothing but rape the American people and are in complete agreement over all the things that I just laid out that are the worst things that our government does. 0.96
00:55:16.000 And what we need is basically a movement in America to say, hey, look, we're going to end the COVID regime. 0.73
00:55:23.000 That's, to me, first and foremost.
00:55:25.000 COVID regime.
00:55:25.000 What do you mean by that?
00:55:26.000 The lockdown regime, the restrictions, all of this stuff.
00:55:29.000 This is over.
00:55:29.000 The vaccines are here.
00:55:31.000 President Joe Biden says they'll be available for everyone.
00:55:33.000 Whoever wants to get the vaccine can get it.
00:55:35.000 Whoever doesn't is comfortable with the risk.
00:55:37.000 And that's that.
00:55:38.000 We're done with, we're going back to normal life.
00:55:41.000 Like the old normal, not some new normal.
00:55:43.000 Like we're going back there.
00:55:44.000 That's got to be step one.
00:55:46.000 Ending all of the wars.
00:55:47.000 Ending every last one of them.
00:55:49.000 We don't need to be fighting in third world countries over how they run their government.
00:55:53.000 It just has nothing to do with America.
00:55:55.000 We're bankrupt.
00:55:56.000 We can't afford it.
00:55:57.000 And none of these countries are a legitimate threat to us anyway.
00:55:59.000 So we end all the wars.
00:56:00.000 And then after that it's like ending corporate welfare. 0.88
00:56:04.000 Like, once and fucking for all, not one more dime of hard-earned taxpayer money is going to billionaires. 0.70
00:56:11.000 You know, feel however you feel about welfare for the poor. 0.96
00:56:13.000 We could have that conversation later. 1.00
00:56:14.000 But no more fucking welfare for the rich. 1.00
00:56:16.000 Like, fuck that. 1.00
00:56:17.000 They don't need it. 1.00
00:56:19.000 And the middle class can't afford it anymore.
00:56:21.000 Explain corporate welfare to people.
00:56:23.000 Like, when does this come up?
00:56:24.000 Well, if you look at, so, I mean, there's many different forms, but if you just look at, over the last year, the COVID stimulus bills, right?
00:56:32.000 You know how you'd always be like, oh, you know, the money they're giving you doesn't really add up to the whole bill?
00:56:36.000 You'd be like, okay, so it's a $2 trillion bill, and like $130 billion of it is checks to people. 0.97
00:56:42.000 What else is all the other shit in that bill? 0.98
00:56:44.000 How come the bill was 2,000 pages long? 0.99
00:56:46.000 And basically, all it is is giveaways to, you know, politically connected big business.
00:56:53.000 It's all over the place.
00:56:54.000 And there's bailouts for the airline industries, for communication industries, the banks, the Federal Reserve, you know, easy money that they give to the banks.
00:57:01.000 That's just always going on.
00:57:02.000 There was money for foreign governments, too, right?
00:57:04.000 Oh, yeah.
00:57:05.000 There was also a bunch of foreign aid that was tucked into one of them.
00:57:08.000 I think, you know.
00:57:09.000 I forget exactly how much, but Israel got a few billion dollars last year, Saudi Arabia got money, like all these countries.
00:57:15.000 You're just giving out money while our middle class is broke, has had the roughest year in modern American history.
00:57:21.000 And we're giving money out to all of these interests.
00:57:23.000 So you end that, end the lockdowns, end the wars, End all victimless, nonviolent crimes.
00:57:29.000 Like, we're just not putting people in jail who didn't hurt other people. 0.98
00:57:34.000 So all of this shit is not... 0.98
00:57:35.000 It's not some, like, oh, you have to become an anarchist libertarian or something like that tomorrow. 0.99
00:57:40.000 It's just, like, let's take the worst things that we do and get enough people on board to stop doing that.
00:57:47.000 Like, that would be enough...
00:57:49.000 To save the country from its impending death.
00:57:52.000 I think you're making some really good points, and I think a really good one is ending the war on drugs.
00:57:58.000 Ending the war on drugs and not incarcerating people for the rest of their lives for nonviolent drug offenses would change a lot in this country.
00:58:07.000 First of all, the whole prison industrial complex, this system that's put in place Where there's money to be made by putting people in jail.
00:58:16.000 And whether it's private, these are private prisons, or whether they're the state-run prisons or the federally-run prisons, it's still the same thing.
00:58:24.000 There's a business involved.
00:58:25.000 You could split hairs about that.
00:58:27.000 We incarcerate more people than anyone, by a long shot.
00:58:30.000 Well, China probably kills more people, but they just make people disappear. 1.00
00:58:35.000 But we incarcerate an insane amount of people.
00:58:39.000 An insane amount of people who aren't hurting anybody.
00:58:42.000 And that does need to end because then that changes the relationship that people have to the government.
00:58:47.000 It changes the relationship people have to the police.
00:58:49.000 If you're doing something and there's a law that's in place that is supposed to protect you from putting something into your body and protect you from someone selling you something that you want to put into your body, regardless of whether you should or shouldn't, we can make a clear argument that there's already enough stuff that you could buy at any store right now that'll kill you.
00:59:11.000 We got some whiskey right here.
00:59:13.000 I like whiskey.
00:59:14.000 Love it.
00:59:15.000 Drink a lot of it, it'll kill you.
00:59:16.000 Drink a lot of it, you'll have liver failure, you'll get cancer, or you'll literally drink yourself to death.
00:59:24.000 Pills everywhere you go. 1.00
00:59:26.000 Every fucking pharmacy has enough pills to kill you. 1.00
00:59:30.000 It's silly. 1.00
00:59:31.000 To put these laws in the hands of people where they can decide to lock you in a cage because you do something that you want to do and they don't want you to do it. 0.85
00:59:44.000 That's insane.
00:59:45.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:59:45.000 That would change the relationship that we have with law enforcement.
00:59:47.000 Well, look, there's so much.
00:59:49.000 I mean, you're absolutely right about all of that. 0.99
00:59:51.000 And to me, and this is the essence of why I'm a libertarian and why I believe in this shit. 0.99
00:59:56.000 It's not... 0.99
00:59:58.000 To me, it's just as simple as, are we slaves or are we free men?
01:00:03.000 Which one are we?
01:00:04.000 Because if I can't choose what I can put in my own body, then I'm a slave to somebody else.
01:00:09.000 And I don't mean chattel slavery or in the same sense, but you are not a free person if you can't make a decision about what you put in your body.
01:00:16.000 And so, obviously, directly, like you just said, the most immoral thing about it is the idea of throwing a human being in a cage like an animal For the crime of putting something in their body.
01:00:26.000 But then on top of that, when you talk about the relationship between people and cops, the effect of the war on drugs has...
01:00:34.000 I mean, look, just like under prohibition, when the gang culture rose up and the murder rate skyrocketed, and then when we repealed prohibition, the murder rate went back down.
01:00:43.000 And then the gang members moved into prostitution and gambling, the other prohibitions.
01:00:52.000 Mm-hmm.
01:01:17.000 That America could do to turn around the crime problem in the inner cities throughout this country than to just end all of the prohibitions.
01:01:26.000 Just be like there's no more money to be made here for you guys.
01:01:28.000 And now let what happens in California and in other places let legitimate businesses come in and do it. 0.84
01:01:34.000 I'm not saying it's perfect but it's a lot better than having high murder rates and high incarceration rates.
01:01:39.000 Well, it'd be really fascinating to see how they would manage trying to legitimize things like heroin and cocaine and things that have been sold by the cartels forever.
01:01:51.000 What we're doing right now is the same thing, again, as you're saying during alcohol prohibition that propped up the mob, we propped up the cartels.
01:01:59.000 And it's a really dangerous scenario because it's like, oh, it's out of sight, out of sight, out of mind.
01:02:04.000 It's right over there, but it's right over there.
01:02:05.000 But there's this fucking gigantic industry in providing us with stuff that we've decided is illegal. 0.96
01:02:11.000 And so the people that are providing it to us are some of the most dangerous fucking well-funded people on the planet Earth, and they can drive here. 0.98
01:02:22.000 We're in Austin, Texas. 0.99
01:02:23.000 They can drive here from Mexico.
01:02:25.000 It's not far.
01:02:26.000 And it's wild, man.
01:02:29.000 I have friends that are in the military that have worked the border recently, and they go, dude, it's crazy down there now.
01:02:37.000 Because Biden is in office...
01:02:40.000 There's a lot of messaging going on that it's like it's okay.
01:02:44.000 Yeah, Trump's been defeated.
01:02:46.000 Now they're more including of immigrants.
01:02:48.000 You can get in now.
01:02:50.000 And also, it's really tragic and very complicated.
01:02:54.000 But even when you do these things that do sound kind of humanitarian and nice, so Biden will do a thing where he's like, hey, well, look, we're not going to, you know, if you're on the other side of the border, if you have like a young kid with you, We're gonna bring you in.
01:03:07.000 We're not just gonna leave you there on the other side.
01:03:08.000 It's like, okay, that sounds nice.
01:03:10.000 But now what did you just incentivize?
01:03:12.000 Everyone got to bring a young kid with you.
01:03:14.000 If you're making this journey, make sure you bring a young kid. 0.97
01:03:17.000 And there's something truly fucked up about incentivizing more young kids to make this horrible journey. 0.92
01:03:23.000 So there's lots of problems there. 0.96
01:03:25.000 And so this is why I say like just the cleanest, easiest answer is to end the war on drugs.
01:03:30.000 And look, the American taxpayer right now, you are – you're subsidizing the enforcement of the war on drugs, right?
01:03:38.000 You got to pay for that with your tax dollars.
01:03:40.000 You got to pay for the DEA and the FBI and all the local police departments and all their fancy gear and all the SWAT rates.
01:03:47.000 Taxpayers got to pay for that.
01:03:48.000 Then the taxpayers got to pay to subsidize immigration with all of the like – Welfare that immigrants can receive, and there's lots of welfare programs they can't receive, but they definitely get, like, their kids go to school, they go to hospitals, they get to this, right?
01:04:02.000 So you've got to subsidize the immigrants, you have to subsidize the war on drugs, then you have to subsidize the war on immigration, like ICE and all of those people, and we're paying for every side of this ridiculous policy when we could just go, make the drugs legal. 0.55
01:04:18.000 And that's that.
01:04:19.000 Heroin is never going to be as socially normalized as weed is, because it kills people.
01:04:25.000 Honestly, have you ever talked to Dr. Carl Hart?
01:04:29.000 I think I've heard him on your show.
01:04:31.000 He's a guy with dreads, right?
01:04:32.000 You should talk to him about heroin.
01:04:35.000 Yeah, he does it regularly or something like that.
01:04:38.000 He does heroin recreationally, and he's a brilliant guy.
01:04:43.000 What he's essentially saying is, like, heroin's wonderful.
01:04:46.000 He just sniffs it.
01:04:47.000 He doesn't do a lot of it, but he's like, this idea of what heroin is, it's been greatly exaggerated because of the fact that it's illegal, because of the fact that it's got a stigma attached to it, or because people shoot it up.
01:05:00.000 Do you remember the guy?
01:05:01.000 I don't know.
01:05:02.000 I can't remember.
01:05:03.000 Was this on your show?
01:05:04.000 But it was the guy who was talking about the test with the rats.
01:05:08.000 And so basically there was this one test that they had with a rat.
01:05:13.000 And it was like in the 70s, I think.
01:05:15.000 And this became like the gold standard.
01:05:17.000 So it was basically they had a rat alone in a cage and two water bottles.
01:05:20.000 And one of them had cocaine in it.
01:05:21.000 And the rat just went to the cocaine one and then took it until he died.
01:05:24.000 And they were like, oh my god, it's addictive.
01:05:26.000 You have it once.
01:05:27.000 You're going to die. 0.99
01:05:28.000 And then they started looking at it and they go, well, you know, this is a pretty miserable situation for a rat to be in. 0.99
01:05:33.000 Like, his life is miserable. 0.97
01:05:34.000 He's alone in this cage.
01:05:35.000 So what if we give him, like, mates and all these toys and lots of food and then put the two water bottles together?
01:05:41.000 And he just had a little bit and then goes back to the water.
01:05:43.000 And it's fine.
01:05:44.000 And there's something really profound about that.
01:05:46.000 That the real problem there is not the substance. 0.99
01:05:49.000 The real problem is all the other conditions around you that would lead to you just being like, fuck it, this high is better than anything else I have in my life and I'm just going to do this until I die. 0.90
01:05:58.000 That's a great way of looking at it because I think that's exactly what's going on with most people when it comes to drug addiction and depression. 0.98
01:06:05.000 I think most people, when they're going to a job that they hate and they're stuck in traffic and then they're stuck in a cubicle and then they're suppressed at work, they have bosses that are assholes, they're constantly being watched and under review, they're under these fluorescent lights doing... 1.00
01:06:21.000 Mindless, stupid shit all day, and then they're exhausted. 1.00
01:06:24.000 They're filling themselves up with terrible food. 1.00
01:06:26.000 They get home, they're exhausted, they're watching television, they're falling asleep, and they're getting back up in the morning and doing it all over again, and when they can, they do drugs.
01:06:33.000 And the drugs may be the only thing that makes them feel good.
01:06:36.000 They get, for the weekend, you know, they pick up a package, do a bump with their friends, have a couple of drinks, and talk at the bar, and now they feel great.
01:06:45.000 And then on their way home, they get arrested.
01:06:48.000 Cop pulls him over.
01:06:49.000 You got any drugs on you?
01:06:50.000 What?
01:06:50.000 Huh?
01:06:51.000 Checks his pocket. 1.00
01:06:52.000 What the fuck is this? 1.00
01:06:53.000 Boom! 1.00
01:06:53.000 Slams his head off the car. 1.00
01:06:55.000 Handcuffs him. 0.65
01:06:56.000 Stuffs him in the back of a squad car. 0.99
01:06:58.000 Throws him into a cell with some guy who beats the shit out of him. 0.73
01:07:01.000 And now he loses his job because he's got this felony on his record. 0.96
01:07:05.000 His life is all messed up.
01:07:06.000 He loses his job now.
01:07:07.000 His marriage is on the rocks.
01:07:08.000 It's like one thing after another.
01:07:10.000 And these things, like these policies, have these huge ripple effects outward, you know?
01:07:14.000 I heard people saying the other day, George Floyd ate his stash, and that's why he was flipping out when the cop came, which I don't know if that's actually factually true or not, but a lot of people were saying that that's what happened, is that he ate his stash when the cops were coming. 0.98
01:07:28.000 Well, if that is true, that's again, it's because they're fucking illegal. 0.98
01:07:31.000 That's why. 0.98
01:07:32.000 And they were saying he had fentanyl in the system.
01:07:33.000 You know why? 0.99
01:07:34.000 Because fucking heroin's illegal, so he's getting this whack heroin. 1.00
01:07:37.000 Yep, that's exactly right. 1.00
01:07:38.000 Yeah, but that's one of the problems with kids today, where they're getting, whether it's MDMA or a lot of other, even Coke, they're buying Coke, and it's coming laced with fentanyl because it's cheaper.
01:07:47.000 Yeah.
01:07:48.000 And it gets really high. 1.00
01:07:48.000 It's so fucked. 1.00
01:07:51.000 It's so fucked, and it's... 1.00
01:07:53.000 There's no socially acceptable solution, right? 1.00
01:07:57.000 Because if someone just came along and they were running for president and said, I'm going to make cocaine legal.
01:08:02.000 What?
01:08:03.000 My children!
01:08:04.000 Did you ever see when Ron Paul said it?
01:08:07.000 I have heard him talk about it.
01:08:09.000 At the Republican presidential debate.
01:08:12.000 So in a South Carolina Republican primary.
01:08:15.000 And Chris Wallace from Fox News is going, Sir, you would make heroin legal!
01:08:23.000 And it's so great that it was Ron Paul.
01:08:26.000 Because if it's like a left-wing hippie type guy saying that, it's real easy to dismiss.
01:08:31.000 But it's like, Ron Paul, conservative Christian country doctor.
01:08:36.000 And he's just like, yes.
01:08:38.000 And he goes, and he said at one point, he goes, how many people here in the audience would go do heroin if heroin were legal?
01:08:44.000 Are you all sitting there worried that you need the government to protect you from the urge to go try heroin?
01:08:49.000 You know, and he's like, look, do we believe in liberty or not?
01:08:52.000 And it got an applause.
01:08:53.000 And then Chris Wallace was like, I never thought heroin.
01:08:56.000 Heroin would get applause in South Carolina.
01:08:58.000 But you're like, but really they were just applauding for freedom.
01:09:01.000 Yes.
01:09:01.000 Like, it's not for heroin.
01:09:03.000 It's like, look, man, freedom means you can do a lot of things that others probably think you shouldn't do.
01:09:09.000 It's too bad Ron's so old.
01:09:11.000 I mean, at this stage, he's deep in his 80s, right?
01:09:14.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:15.000 And back then, in 2008, he was fairly long in the tooth.
01:09:19.000 He was always a little too old for the time of his movement.
01:09:25.000 If the movement had come with him 20 years younger, I really think he could have changed the world.
01:09:32.000 Yeah, I said 80s, I meant 2008. He's also a little too nice.
01:09:35.000 To be frank, like, Ron Paul's just too good of a person to quite have that thing.
01:09:40.000 If he just had, like, a touch of Trump, like, just a little pinch of Donald Trump to, like, really go at people, I think maybe that would have, the confrontational nature would have gotten him more attention.
01:09:51.000 Yeah, but then he wouldn't have that sort of attitude.
01:09:53.000 Yeah.
01:09:54.000 Well, that's why I said just a pinch.
01:09:55.000 Just a little pinch. 0.90
01:09:56.000 Don't put too much Trump in there.
01:09:58.000 You ruined the whole thing.
01:09:58.000 Does his son have a pinch?
01:10:02.000 Ron Paul's just different than Ron Paul is.
01:10:04.000 He's not the same guy.
01:10:06.000 And a lot of us libertarians, the hardcore libertarians, were really disappointed in his presidential run in 2016. We really hoped he would kind of pick up the mantle and run with it, and it just didn't work out.
01:10:19.000 Do you think he just didn't like the pressure?
01:10:21.000 Do you think he just didn't like the idea behind it?
01:10:23.000 Because he seems to stand up for things when he finds them to be very important.
01:10:27.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:10:28.000 I think that was part of it.
01:10:30.000 I think that Ron Paul was like a happy warrior who was just happy to go and do all this stuff.
01:10:35.000 I don't think Ron Paul enjoyed it as much.
01:10:36.000 I also think that Ron Paul compromised too much on some of the really important issues and just didn't...
01:10:46.000 I think?
01:10:58.000 Ron Paul represented to me like a return to normalcy for America.
01:11:04.000 He was really the purest constitutional conservative up there who was just saying, look, this is not what we're supposed to be.
01:11:10.000 We're not supposed to be an empire.
01:11:12.000 We're supposed to be a republic.
01:11:13.000 We're supposed to be a limited government, not an out-of-control huge government.
01:11:17.000 Let's go back to normal.
01:11:19.000 We don't need to be like this.
01:11:20.000 And then...
01:11:22.000 What Donald Trump, who we ended up getting, represented this middle finger to the whole establishment.
01:11:28.000 But then he took us to something else that was even more abnormal.
01:11:32.000 And the country needed Ron Paul, but we got Donald Trump.
01:11:36.000 Well, he had so many weird things going on.
01:11:38.000 He had his family working in the White House, and that was bizarre.
01:11:41.000 Yeah, the whole thing was bizarre.
01:11:42.000 The whole thing was bizarre.
01:11:44.000 And when you see us now, here we are in 2021, we have three more years of Biden and Harris.
01:11:51.000 We'll see about three more years of Biden.
01:11:53.000 You don't think he's going to make it?
01:11:53.000 I really don't.
01:11:55.000 I just don't think so.
01:11:57.000 You don't think they're going to just fill him up with amphetamines and steroids and who makes it?
01:12:01.000 Oh, certainly.
01:12:02.000 They're already doing that.
01:12:03.000 But I don't think they can drag him over the four-year finish line.
01:12:06.000 You don't think so?
01:12:07.000 No.
01:12:07.000 You think she becomes the president somewhere along the line?
01:12:09.000 I think two years I'd be impressed.
01:12:13.000 And doesn't that make Nancy Pelosi the Vice President? 0.81
01:12:16.000 No.
01:12:16.000 Doesn't she become second in charge?
01:12:19.000 No.
01:12:19.000 No, I think Harris could pick whoever she wants.
01:12:22.000 Oh really?
01:12:22.000 I believe so.
01:12:23.000 Is that how it works?
01:12:24.000 You know, I'm not sure, but I think Harris could.
01:12:25.000 You don't think Harris could?
01:12:26.000 She's like third in charge if something happens, like right now, like one, two, and now third. 0.97
01:12:30.000 If the President and the Vice President both get assassinated, she becomes the President, which is fucking hilarious. 0.92
01:12:36.000 Yeah, it's maybe not a great system when two people have to die for Nancy Pelosi to be president. 0.95
01:12:40.000 That's not the best system.
01:12:41.000 Oh, God.
01:12:43.000 Yeah.
01:12:44.000 Yeah, like when there's other vice presidents I've taken over, the speaker didn't just become the vice president.
01:12:52.000 So you don't think he's going to make it?
01:12:53.000 So let's imagine he does, and we get to 2024, or 2023, running into 2024. Who do you think would make sense?
01:13:03.000 Is there anyone out there that stands out as a reasonable person who could sort of steer us out of this mess?
01:13:11.000 I'm not optimistic.
01:13:13.000 This is why I'm all in on the Libertarian Party.
01:13:16.000 That's what we need.
01:13:17.000 Maybe I'll do it, and I'll just be the Libertarian Party candidate.
01:13:20.000 How old are you now?
01:13:21.000 I'm 38. I could do it.
01:13:23.000 You could legally, but people like you to be in your 40s before they take you seriously.
01:13:27.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:13:28.000 But you know what? 0.99
01:13:29.000 Look at these clowns. 0.99
01:13:30.000 But you will be, though. 0.99
01:13:30.000 You'll be 41. I'll be 41. There you go. 0.99
01:13:33.000 In all seriousness, I'm kind of considering it. 0.98
01:13:36.000 There are a lot of people who want me to run, and I just want somebody who will just say what needs to be said and talk that liberty shit the way it should be talked. 0.78
01:13:46.000 But what we're looking at are the Democrats and Republicans, it's going to be Harris running against, I don't know, maybe DeSantis. 0.93
01:13:55.000 Yeah, maybe DeSantis.
01:13:56.000 He makes sense. 1.00
01:13:57.000 You know who's a bad motherfucker is the mayor of Miami. 0.99
01:13:59.000 He was on Andrew Schultz's show today. 1.00
01:14:02.000 Oh, really?
01:14:02.000 I gotta check that out.
01:14:04.000 He makes a lot of sense.
01:14:05.000 Guy makes a lot of sense.
01:14:06.000 He's doing a great job in Miami.
01:14:08.000 Maybe it's just for Miami.
01:14:09.000 Yeah.
01:14:10.000 Being a mayor is very different than being in the government.
01:14:11.000 Oh, is he the guy who is like real hardcore Trump?
01:14:14.000 I don't know.
01:14:15.000 Is he?
01:14:15.000 I might be confusing him with someone else.
01:14:17.000 I might be wrong about that.
01:14:19.000 Listen, I watched the guy talk for 30 seconds and I was sold.
01:14:23.000 Don't listen to me.
01:14:24.000 But I just think it's hilarious.
01:14:27.000 It's really fascinating how people have broken off into these camps.
01:14:30.000 Like there's Camp Florida and Camp Texas and people are just abandoning.
01:14:35.000 California, rats on a sinking ship and abandoning New York.
01:14:39.000 And then whenever you think that New York is going to turn around, then you hear they're going to do something crazy, like make the taxes even higher, or tax rich people even more than they're taxing them now, which I think there's some nutty statistic about the amount of taxes in New York City that come from wealthy people,
01:14:57.000 that it's a small percentage that pays more than 50% of the taxes.
01:15:01.000 Yeah, it's insane.
01:15:03.000 It's something crazy because New York is one of the biggest melting pots in our country where everybody's kind of together, walking around the streets, being on the subway.
01:15:15.000 It's one of the cool things about New York City.
01:15:17.000 But it's also one of the craziest divisions of wealth when you look at people that are really barely getting by versus people that are buying $40 million apartments. 1.00
01:15:27.000 It's wild shit. 0.99
01:15:29.000 The financial people... 1.00
01:15:32.000 I was talking to...
01:15:33.000 Who was it?
01:15:35.000 It was a comic who was there in the late 90s and is there now.
01:15:40.000 And it's like, man, it used to be like artists.
01:15:42.000 And he goes, now it's all like financial people.
01:15:44.000 It's like it's weird how it's changed.
01:15:46.000 Yeah.
01:15:46.000 It became...
01:15:47.000 It's like everyone else got priced out.
01:15:50.000 Things just got so expensive. 0.99
01:15:52.000 But if they keep fucking with those people, they're going to move too. 0.99
01:15:55.000 And then what are you going to do? 0.99
01:15:56.000 Well, how do you not look at...
01:15:58.000 I mean, just like the people voting with their feats, flooding out of these areas, and not look at that as just conclusive.
01:16:06.000 Like, well, these policies are bad, and these are better.
01:16:10.000 I mean, it's like the commies built the wall in Berlin.
01:16:15.000 To stop people from flooding out, because it was disproving their whole experiment.
01:16:20.000 I mean, they couldn't sit there and watch everybody flooding out of, you know, communist countries into the democratic countries and sit there and go, no, our system is really way better for the people.
01:16:30.000 So they had to build a wall to stop them from leaving.
01:16:32.000 And right now, you're almost watching that.
01:16:34.000 It's unbelievable.
01:16:36.000 If you read the New York Times or you turn on CNN or something like that, and they'll be sitting there telling you how responsible Cuomo and Newsom are and how reckless Florida and Texas have been. 0.51
01:16:48.000 And then you're watching people flood from those cities into the other one and you're like well okay but isn't that kind of conclusive proof that just like it's a complete rejection of this lockdown shit like this did not work well the lockdown the theory proved to be inaccurate right the theory was and it made sense we have to protect people from the spread of this deadly virus right here we are in march of last year we got to stop this deadly virus from spreading how do we do that Well,
01:17:16.000 step one, we have to keep people from going outside and mingling because that's going to stop the spread. 0.88
01:17:21.000 So we keep people inside.
01:17:22.000 So then a couple things happen.
01:17:24.000 One, we find out this virus is not nearly as deadly as we were worried it was going to be.
01:17:27.000 And there was no adjustment made.
01:17:29.000 And then two, we find out when you keep people inside, the virus spreads.
01:17:33.000 And people do have to go outside to get food.
01:17:35.000 They do have to go outside to work.
01:17:37.000 And then also, there's a reality about immune systems.
01:17:40.000 Immune systems are kind of like your cardiovascular system.
01:17:42.000 They get stronger when you exercise them.
01:17:44.000 And when your immune system is, you're shut inside, you don't come into contact with anything.
01:17:50.000 Like you're literally in your house all day just watching television, soaking in fear porn.
01:17:55.000 You're not healthy.
01:17:56.000 You're not exercising because all the gyms are shut down.
01:17:59.000 You're going to get sicker.
01:18:00.000 And so the places where everybody was locked down, it turned out, like, that didn't help at all.
01:18:05.000 The only thing that it did is make the economy way worse there.
01:18:08.000 And then they doubled down on it, and then people tried to revolt.
01:18:12.000 People got angry at it, and they doubled down further.
01:18:15.000 And then you saw the politicians get busted for doing things that were contrary to what they were telling people to do.
01:18:20.000 And then people got more and more resentful, and then people left even more, and then here we are one year later.
01:18:25.000 But what's fascinating about it is that because the way the United States is set up, because we do have different ideologies, different philosophies, and different schools of government, like the way we decide to govern our states is different, you can see, oh, look how they're doing it in Florida.
01:18:40.000 Look at that.
01:18:41.000 Florida's actually doing pretty good. 0.99
01:18:43.000 And then you go, wow, they're going to kill people.
01:18:45.000 Now they're just...
01:18:45.000 Florida's open.
01:18:46.000 This is so irresponsible.
01:18:47.000 But then you look at the result.
01:18:49.000 And no one is saying...
01:18:51.000 You don't see anyone on television, on CNN, or on any of these shows that are supposed to be objective news, saying, you know what?
01:18:57.000 We were wrong.
01:18:58.000 Look at what's happened in Florida.
01:19:01.000 Even though they're wide open, it's actually shown that their levels of COVID are lower, their death rates are lower, and they're doing great.
01:19:11.000 The economy is doing great.
01:19:12.000 Right.
01:19:12.000 And you would think, if we were being reasonable, right, if you were advocating for lockdowns, You're advocating for destroying people's businesses, suspending basic human liberty.
01:19:26.000 Obviously, everyone knows there's going to be all types of disastrous effects of keeping people at home, ruining jobs, all of this, right?
01:19:36.000 We're asking you to give up life.
01:19:38.000 This is a pretty big ask and really a demand.
01:19:42.000 Well, you would think the onus was on you to show, not that this helps a little bit, but there has to be some drastic, like very clear, look, the states that are locked down are doing like 10 times better than the states that are opened up.
01:19:54.000 And as soon as that was obviously not the case, It should have, if we were just dealing an honest debate, destroyed the entire lockdown argument.
01:20:04.000 And all of the predictions that have been completely wrong, like what you were just saying, and they never, you know, I remember people saying, Sweden, by the summer, by last summer, there'd be hundreds of thousands dead in Sweden.
01:20:17.000 And then by the time the summer hit, there were like 6,000 COVID deaths.
01:20:20.000 And you're like, anyone gonna take that back?
01:20:23.000 Just go, hey, we got it wrong.
01:20:24.000 Which is fine, you know, people get things wrong.
01:20:26.000 Just a month ago, or whenever it was that Texas opened up, Fauci said cases are gonna spike now.
01:20:32.000 The cases are down.
01:20:33.000 And you hear what Fauci said?
01:20:35.000 Which one?
01:20:36.000 It's hilarious.
01:20:36.000 What did he say?
01:20:37.000 Jamie and I were talking about it yesterday.
01:20:40.000 They asked Fauci, like, why do you think that the cases haven't spiked in Texas?
01:20:44.000 He said, well, obviously the people in Texas are, how did he phrase it?
01:20:50.000 He said they're behaving themselves?
01:20:51.000 Yeah, behaving better.
01:20:52.000 They're behaving better. 0.98
01:20:53.000 And Jamie's like, have you fucking been to Texas? 0.99
01:20:56.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:20:57.000 But isn't this also like just completely circular logic?
01:21:01.000 Yes.
01:21:01.000 Where you're like, okay, so if I say this is going to happen and then the opposite happens, it's because of what I said.
01:21:07.000 You know what I mean?
01:21:08.000 Well, that's what Cuomo was throwing in everybody's face in New York.
01:21:11.000 Yeah.
01:21:11.000 Cuomo was saying, you know, we got a lockdown because you didn't wear your masks.
01:21:17.000 You ate the cheesecake, you're gonna get fat.
01:21:19.000 Remember that? 1.00
01:21:19.000 He was using these fucking down-home analogies. 1.00
01:21:23.000 Like, oh, Jesus Christ. 0.99
01:21:24.000 And I'll tell you what I can't stand, which just, like, makes my blood boil, is when they use your basic freedoms as a negotiating tool.
01:21:35.000 They're like, well, if you do X, Y, and Z, then maybe we'll let you have restaurants.
01:21:40.000 Maybe we'll let you do this. 1.00
01:21:41.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00
01:21:43.000 You get back some of your freedoms. 1.00
01:21:44.000 Now you're using my freedom as a carrot on a stick to get me to do what I want to do. 1.00
01:21:50.000 What type of sick shit is that? 0.96
01:21:52.000 Yeah, and this is one of the reasons why I called you, one of the reasons why I wanted you to come here to do the podcast, because I've heard you talking about COVID passports, about vaccine passports, and I share your deep concern about this idea. 0.99
01:22:09.000 Because this is not something that they're just going to keep with COVID vaccines. 0.93
01:22:14.000 If there's a way that they can get you to show your papers and to show whether you have an app on your phone, whether you're, you know, whatever it is that you have to have in order to be able to freely travel around the United States, they're going to keep that fucking thing. 0.98
01:22:29.000 Yeah. 0.83
01:22:29.000 Well, and I said, just like I said before, if you're just looking at the bigger picture of it, you're like, look, this is, and I think objectively, The country went totalitarian for about a year. 0.83
01:22:39.000 Now, not every single part of it was as totalitarian as the rest.
01:22:42.000 But according to governors, out of their own words, they suspended the Bill of Rights.
01:22:48.000 And we've been in a year living under that.
01:22:50.000 How long do you think we can go Right.
01:23:14.000 By June, he said, everyone who wants it will be able to take it.
01:23:17.000 And that's a perfect little opportunity point to go, okay, so we break out of it now.
01:23:22.000 Now we break out of it.
01:23:23.000 Now you can make a sound argument that if the vaccine's available for everybody, the people who want it can take it, and the people who don't are choosing to take the risk.
01:23:31.000 And now we go back to normal life.
01:23:33.000 And at the same time, they're proposing this vaccine passport, which really, if you look at the proposals, isn't a passport, it's an app.
01:23:41.000 Right?
01:23:41.000 With your medical history, your data can be tracked, your location can be traced, all of these things.
01:23:48.000 But what they're talking about doing now, when we have this fork in the road, we could go back to being a free country.
01:23:55.000 Not as free as some of us would like, but at least the way we used to have it, right?
01:23:59.000 Or we can go to what is being proposed and talked about, which is a national caste system.
01:24:07.000 Where there's one group of people who have basic freedoms and rights and one group of people who do not.
01:24:13.000 They don't have the freedom to travel.
01:24:15.000 They don't have the freedom to go to events, maybe not to work.
01:24:18.000 Ideas have been floated out about grocery stores.
01:24:21.000 That's a national caste system. 0.99
01:24:23.000 And also just, you know...
01:24:27.000 Throwing away the idea that you have any type of medical privacy from the government.
01:24:31.000 It's being done in collusion between big businesses and governments.
01:24:35.000 And this is already happening.
01:24:36.000 It's being done in New York City.
01:24:38.000 It's being done in other countries.
01:24:39.000 And there were reports in the Washington Post and CNN about the Biden administration meeting with these big businesses to say, you know what?
01:24:48.000 It's not really good enough to do a local level or a state level thing.
01:24:50.000 We need to have one national standard.
01:24:52.000 So you're talking about a national caste system. 0.99
01:24:56.000 And if we embrace that, man, I don't mean to be hyperbolic, but I think this whole thing is fucked. 0.98
01:25:04.000 I really think this whole country, we are not going to come out of this. 0.84
01:25:07.000 If we embrace the idea of now, this is an idea straight out of the Chinese social credit system.
01:25:13.000 This is what they're proposing.
01:25:15.000 We do.
01:25:16.000 By the way, China already has the COVID passport.
01:25:18.000 This is what China does. 0.98
01:25:19.000 That's it.
01:25:19.000 No sense of, like, you have a right to do this or you have a right to not do that.
01:25:23.000 And come on, you think they're going to take that power and then this will only ever be used for the COVID vaccine?
01:25:28.000 It's also, logically, it doesn't seem to make sense.
01:25:31.000 If the vaccine is available to everybody who wants it and everybody who wants it gets vaccinated, who are we protecting?
01:25:38.000 Yeah.
01:25:38.000 We're good to go.
01:25:44.000 We're good to go.
01:26:03.000 They're not vulnerable, right?
01:26:05.000 Isn't that the idea?
01:26:06.000 So it doesn't matter.
01:26:08.000 Logically, it makes no sense.
01:26:10.000 Morally, it makes no sense.
01:26:12.000 But it is an unbelievable opportunity for the government to really keep But I think the Biden administration has rejected this so far.
01:26:26.000 There was a discussion where they were asked, and I think, what's her name, Jen Psaki?
01:26:31.000 She was saying that they have no plans whatsoever to do vaccine passports and that this is not something that the Biden administration believes in.
01:26:38.000 Yeah.
01:26:39.000 So what happened was there were these reports that were out that said that the Biden administration was consulting with these big businesses on how to do it.
01:26:47.000 There was a big uproar about it.
01:26:48.000 And then when she was asked, she was like, no, no, no, we're not going to do that.
01:26:51.000 And ultimately, I think that's quite possibly what ends up happening.
01:26:54.000 Like, I think oftentimes they put out these feelers to kind of see what the people are willing to take.
01:27:00.000 Like going to war with Syria. 0.92
01:27:01.000 Yes.
01:27:02.000 Yeah, it gets a little bit too much pushback.
01:27:05.000 Remember when they tried to regulate the internet?
01:27:07.000 During the Obama administration.
01:27:08.000 Yes, the SOPA bill or whatever.
01:27:10.000 They put it out there. 1.00
01:27:11.000 Everyone lost their shit. 1.00
01:27:12.000 Not yet. 1.00
01:27:13.000 Not yet.
01:27:14.000 Okay, not quite ready.
01:27:15.000 So that might be the case.
01:27:17.000 And then there's all these other arguments, you know, like just the practicality of it.
01:27:20.000 I mean, look, if you say you have to show a driver's license before you vote, people will lose their minds about how this is racist because poor people and black people disproportionately tend to not have driver's licenses.
01:27:33.000 So what is an app on a smartphone?
01:27:35.000 I mean, how do you think that's going to work in practice if you're saying you need that to do these basic things?
01:27:40.000 So there's all types of these problems of how you would implement it.
01:27:43.000 But it's still worth noting that they floated this out.
01:27:48.000 There are these people in our government who would go Chinese fascist on us.
01:27:55.000 If they could.
01:27:56.000 If they could.
01:27:57.000 Postal Service reportedly monitoring American social media for inflammatory content.
01:28:02.000 What?
01:28:02.000 Yeah, this was the post office cops got caught.
01:28:06.000 What?
01:28:07.000 Oh my god, what does that mean?
01:28:09.000 What do they mean by inflammatory content?
01:28:13.000 The surveillance effort known as iCop.
01:28:15.000 Hilarious.
01:28:16.000 They call it iCop?
01:28:17.000 Oh my god. 0.73
01:28:19.000 Apple fucked everybody up with i. 0.72
01:28:21.000 Yeah, they really did. 0.95
01:28:22.000 They really did.
01:28:23.000 iCop.
01:28:24.000 Imagine if there wasn't an iMac and...
01:28:28.000 Oh my god.
01:28:28.000 Okay.
01:28:29.000 Known as ICOP, monitors American social media for inflammatory posts.
01:28:33.000 A memo obtained by Yahoo includes identifying details and screenshots of users' parlor accounts, of course.
01:28:41.000 Okay, so the post office looking for the next capital attack.
01:28:46.000 And it's like the investigator's unit of the post office, like it's the policing part of the post office, which most people don't even know we have.
01:28:54.000 Remember when people used to go postal?
01:28:56.000 What happened there?
01:28:57.000 Yeah, I guess they started treating their postal workers better.
01:29:01.000 Postman stopped shooting everybody, didn't they?
01:29:03.000 That was a thing, man.
01:29:04.000 That's true.
01:29:05.000 Literally, it would be a verb.
01:29:07.000 He went postal.
01:29:09.000 Yeah.
01:29:09.000 Right?
01:29:10.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:29:10.000 Because it happened a few times.
01:29:12.000 Yeah.
01:29:12.000 Where mailmen just started killing people or whatever.
01:29:16.000 It happened a lot.
01:29:18.000 Yeah.
01:29:18.000 It happened so much that there's not another occupation.
01:29:23.000 Where you associate them with mass killing.
01:29:27.000 But we did seem to solve that problem. 0.98
01:29:30.000 Crazy!
01:29:30.000 I have no idea how.
01:29:31.000 There was a video game that I used to play called Postal.
01:29:35.000 And you would run around killing people.
01:29:37.000 This was the answer? 0.97
01:29:39.000 This program?
01:29:39.000 They were like, look, if we let you spy on everyone, maybe you don't have to shoot them now?
01:29:43.000 Is that cool?
01:29:45.000 It's kind of crazy, if you really think about it.
01:29:48.000 Like, that just stopped happening.
01:29:50.000 Yeah.
01:29:50.000 Yeah, it really did.
01:29:51.000 Huh.
01:29:53.000 Well, anyway, now they're spying on our social media.
01:29:55.000 Kids today probably don't even know what I'm saying.
01:29:57.000 It's a very 90s thing.
01:30:02.000 Seinfeld, they had a bit about it.
01:30:03.000 Did they?
01:30:04.000 Yeah, where Seinfeld asked Newman why they always kill people, and he's like, because the mail never stops.
01:30:09.000 It's just hilarious.
01:30:11.000 That's probably what it is, too, right?
01:30:12.000 If you're in a mailroom and you don't get enough breaks.
01:30:15.000 Yeah, I think maybe there is something to that.
01:30:18.000 You know if you have a job to do, even a physical job, there's a satisfaction in finishing it?
01:30:24.000 You're like, okay, I did it, now it's done.
01:30:25.000 But if it's mail, it's just always constantly coming in.
01:30:27.000 Oh, it never ends.
01:30:28.000 And you do it, and there's more, and there's more, and you never get that reward?
01:30:31.000 Right, right. 0.99
01:30:31.000 I mean, I'm just completely speaking out of my ass, but maybe that's what it is. 0.99
01:30:34.000 Well, it does make sense, though. 0.96
01:30:35.000 Imagine if you have a project.
01:30:37.000 Say if you're a construction crew and you're building a mall.
01:30:39.000 When the mall's done, you're like, let's have a beer! 1.00
01:30:42.000 We built the fucking mall. 1.00
01:30:43.000 He'd drive by that mall every day. 1.00
01:30:45.000 Hey, kids, your dad and his company built that mall.
01:30:47.000 You know, you did something. 1.00
01:30:49.000 But if your fucking job is the mail, that's never going to end. 1.00
01:30:53.000 There's no, we built the mall. 0.99
01:30:55.000 And people are just pissed off when it's not there.
01:30:57.000 Yeah.
01:30:58.000 And no one goes, no one is ever just like, I mean, you got like 99.9% of it here. 0.54
01:31:03.000 They're like, where the fuck's my letter? 0.85
01:31:04.000 You know, like, they're just pissed off. 0.98
01:31:07.000 You just never get any credit?
01:31:08.000 Never.
01:31:08.000 Never get any credit.
01:31:10.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:31:10.000 Everybody's mad if it's next day air and it fucking comes two days later. 0.97
01:31:15.000 You know? 0.98
01:31:16.000 Yeah.
01:31:17.000 Brave men and women.
01:31:19.000 Yeah.
01:31:19.000 And now they got busted spying on everyone.
01:31:22.000 And I guess they could say it's because of the Capitol riot thing or something like that, but this stuff is pretty creepy, man.
01:31:29.000 And if it was so honest what they were doing, then how come it had to be a covert thing that Yahoo News was just able to get their hands on the other day?
01:31:39.000 Like, why is this being done in secrecy?
01:31:42.000 And there's a lot, I will tell you that, you know, again, it's like, like I was saying before, like, however you feel about COVID, you could still be really worried about the totalitarianism.
01:31:51.000 Like, you could even think the totalitarianism was justified.
01:31:56.000 And still be really worried about it.
01:31:58.000 Like, if you were on a boat and, like, a snake jumped on your boat and someone shot it, you know?
01:32:04.000 And then, like, there's a big hole in your boat now.
01:32:06.000 Like, you could be like, no, he had to because there was this venomous snake.
01:32:09.000 But you'd still be like, okay, but we got to worry about that hole now.
01:32:12.000 Like, that's still a problem, even if we needed to do it, you know?
01:32:15.000 So it's like you could be against, like, or you could be for the thing and still recognize that it's a concern.
01:32:20.000 So you could be against, like, the Capitol riot and all that.
01:32:23.000 But don't you find it a little bit creepy that they're all just openly going like, oh, you know what we really need now is to turn George Bush and Dick Cheney's war on terror inward and focus on the domestic terrorists.
01:32:36.000 Like, how'd that work out when we were fighting them in the Middle East? 0.96
01:32:38.000 You know, we killed a lot more people than just terrorists, right?
01:32:40.000 Well, what's ironic is that they've created this sort of division with the divide on social media by making social media so censored and left-wing heavy.
01:32:52.000 Because, you know, I tried to send a friend of mine a video the other day on Twitter through a direct message, and it was blocked.
01:33:00.000 Really?
01:33:01.000 I couldn't send a direct message.
01:33:03.000 I was asking him if this was accurate, and it was a doctor who was talking about ivermectin.
01:33:10.000 And ivermectin, which is a treatment for COVID, and this doctor was saying that ivermectin is 99% effective in treating COVID, but that you don't hear about it because you can't fund vaccines when there's an effective treatment.
01:33:28.000 I don't know if this guy's right or wrong, so I'm asking questions.
01:33:31.000 So I go, hey, tell me about this.
01:33:32.000 So I send it.
01:33:34.000 Message not sent.
01:33:35.000 I try to send it again.
01:33:36.000 Message not sent.
01:33:37.000 I'm like, oh my god, what's your email?
01:33:39.000 I had to send it through email.
01:33:40.000 It's blocked.
01:33:41.000 I know that they did that with that Hunter Biden laptop story from the New York Post.
01:33:46.000 You couldn't send it through direct message?
01:33:47.000 You couldn't send the link through message, anything.
01:33:49.000 Couldn't post it, couldn't do it.
01:33:50.000 So if they've done that, then they do have the ability to do it. 1.00
01:33:52.000 That kind of shit is crazy. 0.99
01:33:54.000 I wasn't even posting this. 1.00
01:33:56.000 And what effect does this have where it's like, Okay, so you kick all the right-wingers off social media, right?
01:34:03.000 And then you start kind of like punishing all the not even right-wingers, but just not left-wingers off of there.
01:34:10.000 He's like, so what's the end of this here now?
01:34:12.000 So now none of us are talking to each other, even in a shitty medium like Twitter.
01:34:17.000 Is the answer just that none of us talk to each other?
01:34:19.000 We all only just talk to our own groups?
01:34:22.000 And so many of these things, and this is another big thing, I think a big story of the last year, has been how much the social media censorship has been cranked up.
01:34:35.000 I started noticing, I had a private Facebook group For people who were paying subscribers to my podcast.
01:34:45.000 Not Legion of Skanks.
01:34:46.000 Part of the problem, which is my political podcast.
01:34:49.000 And so we had a little community there.
01:34:50.000 And for years, it was just fun. 1.00
01:34:52.000 A lot of shit talking. 1.00
01:34:53.000 People say crazy things. 1.00
01:34:54.000 It's mostly libertarian, but some left-wingers, some right-wingers.
01:34:57.000 And then all of a sudden this year...
01:35:00.000 I, because I was the moderator of the group, I start getting messages over and over again.
01:35:04.000 This has been removed because it's false content.
01:35:06.000 This has been flagged.
01:35:07.000 This has been this and that.
01:35:07.000 It was all COVID stuff.
01:35:09.000 And it was all the stuff that was skeptical of the official COVID narrative.
01:35:14.000 And a lot of it turned out to be right, you know?
01:35:17.000 It was like doctors being like, yeah, no, you don't need to wipe down your groceries.
01:35:21.000 You can't get this from touching your groceries.
01:35:24.000 Don't worry about that.
01:35:25.000 We're good to go. 0.92
01:35:55.000 Okay, you take down all these videos, but you know like five of those were right Yeah, not all of them were but five of them were and they were right when it was really important to be right and you ended up censoring this whole shit Yeah, and so like how isn't that dangerous? 0.64
01:36:07.000 We're gonna pick the one official science and this is the only science that can be spoken Well, it took until I mean here.
01:36:15.000 We are it's April of I think it was somewhere around February.
01:36:21.000 When did the CDC have it on their website that vitamin D is important?
01:36:26.000 It was way late in the game.
01:36:27.000 Really late, yeah.
01:36:28.000 But I had talked to all these nutritionists and endocrinologists and all these...
01:36:32.000 Scientists are saying it's a critical aspect of your immune system.
01:36:35.000 You need to supplement with vitamin D and that 84% of the people in the ICU with COVID were insufficient in vitamin D and only 4% had sufficient levels of vitamin D. It's a really significant aspect of the way your body fights COVID. And the best way to get it is actually being outside.
01:36:53.000 Supplement vitamin D is good, but getting it outside from sunlight is better.
01:36:57.000 It's the best way.
01:36:58.000 And you never heard any of this.
01:37:02.000 And if you tried to say this, people would try to say that you're some sort of a COVID denier or that you're doing something that endangers people by downplaying the effects of the virus.
01:37:16.000 No, we're talking about ways you can mitigate it.
01:37:19.000 We're talking about ways you can boost your immune system.
01:37:21.000 People got very weirdly attached to the disaster narrative of COVID. Like psychologically attached to it.
01:37:29.000 And they took it as like an attack on them.
01:37:31.000 If you ever pointed out any good news, such a strange thing because you'd think like, oh, good, this is what we want, right?
01:37:36.000 A little bit of good news.
01:37:38.000 Hey, if you're a young, healthy person, you really don't have much to worry about with COVID. It's like a scientific fact.
01:37:43.000 But people get very upset with you for saying it.
01:37:46.000 And this year, man, has been really bad for mental health for a lot of people.
01:37:50.000 I know people.
01:37:51.000 I'm sure you do, too.
01:37:54.000 We're stand-up comedians.
01:37:56.000 We're in a world of a lot of zany people. 1.00
01:37:59.000 And a lot of them exist kind of on the edge.
01:38:02.000 And this year pushed a lot of people.
01:38:04.000 Well, a lot of them couldn't work, and a lot of them couldn't get their drug.
01:38:07.000 A lot of them, their drug was going on stage and making people laugh.
01:38:10.000 There's a lot of really depressed people in the world of stand-up comedy, and going on stage and making people laugh was their one happy moment of the day.
01:38:17.000 Or, you know, if they lived in New York City and they did multiple sets, multiple happy moments in the day.
01:38:21.000 More shorter happy moments.
01:38:22.000 Yeah, but that was big, man.
01:38:25.000 It was, like, for a lot of us, like, here's a great example.
01:38:27.000 I didn't do any stand-up at all until July, and then I did this gig in Houston, and...
01:38:33.000 I was fine.
01:38:35.000 We did the gig, and I was thinking, man, you know what?
01:38:37.000 I think we're going to just start doing stand-up again, wherever they'll let us do it, wherever we decide it's safe. 0.97
01:38:41.000 We were testing at the studio every day anyway, but then I got really fucking high.
01:38:46.000 And I started thinking about, like, what if I got it and I gave it to somebody, how horrible I would feel. 0.69
01:38:51.000 And I was like, all right, I'm not doing it anymore.
01:38:54.000 I'm not doing it.
01:38:55.000 And then I wound up moving to Texas.
01:38:58.000 We move out here, and I wasn't doing any stand-up.
01:39:00.000 I was just going to wait for, you know, vaccines, treatments, whatever.
01:39:04.000 I'm like, I'll just ride this out.
01:39:06.000 Testing everybody at the studio, working on my health, making sure I'm fit, and taking all my vitamins and all that jazz.
01:39:12.000 And we did one show.
01:39:13.000 We did one show at Vulcan Gas Company, and Ron White hadn't done stand-up at all in eight months.
01:39:19.000 And after he gets off stage, he grabs me.
01:39:22.000 He grabbed me by both shoulders. 0.99
01:39:24.000 He goes, we are going to fucking do this. 0.99
01:39:26.000 No matter what we gotta do, you're gonna buy a club, whatever the fuck we can do, we're going back to comedy. 0.99
01:39:32.000 Like, he was so all-in. 0.98
01:39:33.000 It was crazy.
01:39:34.000 That's amazing.
01:39:35.000 He had just been jolted with the lightning.
01:39:37.000 He was like, he was like...
01:39:39.000 First of all, he practiced and went over his material and planned it for days.
01:39:45.000 Like, he knew about it for like two days.
01:39:46.000 He knew about the set.
01:39:48.000 And he was on fire, man.
01:39:49.000 He was on fire.
01:39:50.000 From the moment he went on stage, first of all, everybody cheered like crazy.
01:39:54.000 Well, it's a weird energy, because they're dying to hear it, too.
01:39:56.000 You're like, ah, yes, everyone's letting their pent-up rage out together, kind of.
01:40:01.000 Yeah, but they went crazy when he went on stage, and you could tell.
01:40:04.000 He forgot what it was like to be cheered.
01:40:08.000 We had gone out to dinner, and he was like, man, I don't think I'm retired. 1.00
01:40:11.000 Fuck it. 1.00
01:40:12.000 I've got some money. 1.00
01:40:13.000 I'm just going to hang back and play golf. 1.00
01:40:16.000 That one moment on stage is like, fuck it. 1.00
01:40:18.000 Yeah, we're back. 0.99
01:40:19.000 And then he did a bunch of the shows I did at Stubbs with Chappelle.
01:40:22.000 He quit drinking. 0.96
01:40:24.000 Ron looks fucking amazing. 0.91
01:40:26.000 So there are some people who went that way during the whole lockdown stuff, too, where they were like, okay, I'm going to work out a lot. 0.98
01:40:32.000 I'm going to do this.
01:40:33.000 It helped some people. 0.99
01:40:34.000 But if you were trying to, as a country, Fuck over people's mental health as much as you could. 0.99
01:40:42.000 That's the way to do it. 0.99
01:40:42.000 Could you think of a better recipe than be like, okay, well, I'm gonna have everybody terrified. 0.99
01:40:46.000 And not just terrified, but terrified of a floating abstraction.
01:40:50.000 You know what I mean?
01:40:51.000 Like, yeah, a germ that's out there in the world.
01:40:54.000 Then we're gonna maybe, like, Put their financial future, their livelihood in jeopardy.
01:40:59.000 We're going to literally force them to not interact or go outside.
01:41:04.000 Don't be around other people and stay inside.
01:41:07.000 I'm not saying that's what they designed it for.
01:41:11.000 I'm saying if they were designing it for that, this would have been an excellent plan. 0.98
01:41:15.000 And it's also a great trial run to see how you could fuck up a country.
01:41:22.000 Imagine the amount of financial disaster that has been reaped on this country. 0.98
01:41:28.000 Just imagine.
01:41:28.000 I mean, we kind of know, but if you could see it, if you could see it, like, in each individual business, how many restaurants are gone forever?
01:41:39.000 How many comedy clubs are crushed?
01:41:41.000 How many small businesses went under?
01:41:43.000 How many people's marriages and relationships fell apart?
01:41:46.000 Friendships fell apart?
01:41:48.000 Mental health?
01:41:49.000 How many people committed suicide?
01:41:50.000 How many people have become drug addicts?
01:41:51.000 How many people...
01:41:52.000 If you looked at the vitality of the country, In January of 19 and then looked at it now in April of 2021. You're like, my God.
01:42:03.000 And it's going to be going for years and years and years and we'll never be able to completely trace what goes back to that.
01:42:10.000 Well, I say it like this, right?
01:42:12.000 When I go, so what was like...
01:42:14.000 You know, the cost of the George W. Bush disastrous administration.
01:42:19.000 And you could just look at it in terms of like, okay, well, the war in Iraq cost $2 trillion and Afghanistan was another trillion dollars.
01:42:26.000 And then there's like, okay, that's a real tangible cost.
01:42:28.000 But then you're also like, all right, well, they had to bring interest rates down and keep them really low in order to finance the wars to keep them on the credit card so we wouldn't pay a lot of interest on it, wouldn't have to tax people.
01:42:37.000 Just kind of put it on the credit card.
01:42:39.000 And then when interest rates were really down, this sucked a whole lot of people into buying homes that otherwise wouldn't have bought homes who couldn't really afford them.
01:42:46.000 But at 1% interest rate, maybe they could afford them.
01:42:48.000 So they'd get in there and then the interest rates tick back up and they all got foreclosed on and this brought down the whole economy.
01:42:54.000 And you're like, what is the cost of the George W. Bush administration?
01:42:57.000 It's like, well, it's Trump.
01:43:00.000 It's Antifa.
01:43:02.000 It's, like, everything, all of this goes back to being a cost of that.
01:43:06.000 So what is the cost of all of this going to end up being?
01:43:10.000 We don't even know yet.
01:43:10.000 It's going to be decades of seeing what happens to the country before you're like, oh yeah.
01:43:14.000 I mean, look, you just, you ruined, just one thing, like ruining a marriage.
01:43:17.000 Yeah.
01:43:17.000 What's the cost of that?
01:43:19.000 Well, you may not know until their kids grow up.
01:43:21.000 You know what I mean?
01:43:22.000 Like what the cost of ruining a family is.
01:43:24.000 And the cost of ruining a business could be the cost of ruining multiple marriages, multiple families.
01:43:29.000 If you're working in a restaurant and you're a chef and then the owners of the restaurant tell you we can't keep afloat and you're like, oh my god, how am I going to feed my family?
01:43:40.000 How am I going to pay my bills?
01:43:42.000 How am I going to keep a roof over my head?
01:43:46.000 Am I going to be homeless?
01:43:47.000 Where can I work as a chef if I can't work?
01:43:51.000 There's nowhere to work for a whole year.
01:43:53.000 And we thought this was going to be 14 days.
01:43:55.000 And then the rage.
01:43:57.000 My friends that are chefs in Los Angeles, when they would come out here to Texas and see restaurants open, the rage they would feel.
01:44:04.000 They were so angry.
01:44:06.000 They were so angry.
01:44:07.000 They're like, why can't we do this?
01:44:08.000 Why can't we do this?
01:44:09.000 But you could.
01:44:10.000 You're just in the wrong state.
01:44:11.000 And it's interesting to see how different states handled it.
01:44:14.000 And we'd like to think that These irresponsible states are killing people, but they're not.
01:44:20.000 These states that are more interested in giving people freedom to make decisions and keep their businesses open.
01:44:26.000 I met with the governor, and I talked to him about it, and his position very clearly was, you've got to let people work.
01:44:33.000 Like, he was like, right away, you know, he goes, I know you're a liberal, you know, he said to me, he goes, he goes, and I know that's for social issues.
01:44:40.000 And he goes, but when it comes to business, he goes, you have to let people work.
01:44:44.000 He goes, you have to keep businesses open.
01:44:46.000 He goes, it is the foundation of our economy.
01:44:49.000 It's how everything keeps going.
01:44:50.000 But there's no, but this is like an interesting thing to me throughout the whole, like, lockdown.
01:44:55.000 Is that it's not even something that a liberal...
01:44:58.000 There's no reason a liberal shouldn't get that.
01:45:01.000 There's something very strange to me, and so much of it, I think, in America today is that everyone's reactionary.
01:45:06.000 So everyone's reacting against what...
01:45:08.000 So the whole Democrats, the whole left half of America was reacting against Trump.
01:45:13.000 You know, like anything Trump did, they were going to be against that.
01:45:16.000 And then the whole right half is like reacting against CNN and the media and all that stuff.
01:45:21.000 Whatever they say, you're going to be against that.
01:45:23.000 And you almost wonder, like, what if Donald Trump...
01:45:29.000 I think we're good to go.
01:45:48.000 Like, the idea that I'm going to wear a mask and be distant and be cautious and follow the government orders, is that really more of a left-wing thing than a right-wing thing to do?
01:46:01.000 In my mind, it almost seems like the right-winger would be the conservative.
01:46:05.000 We want to be careful.
01:46:06.000 We don't want to be risky.
01:46:08.000 And the left winger would be the person who's like, hey, there's more to life than just, you know, staying alive.
01:46:13.000 I want to go see a show.
01:46:14.000 I want to hang with my friends.
01:46:15.000 I'll take a little bit of risk.
01:46:17.000 I'm comfortable with that.
01:46:18.000 The more kind of artistic vision.
01:46:20.000 So why would a liberal or a leftist not be able to understand that?
01:46:25.000 Like, yeah, if someone loses their job, that has a big effect on their life.
01:46:30.000 There are external costs to poverty.
01:46:33.000 Yeah, there's a thing that people do on the left today, what we consider, because I think what is the left and the right, it shifts and it goes back and forth.
01:46:43.000 Because it's not real.
01:46:44.000 A lot of it is just like, what's the current ideology?
01:46:46.000 What does your tribe subscribe to?
01:46:48.000 But there's a thing that people do where they say there's things that are more important than the economy.
01:46:54.000 Well, yeah, there are, but guess what?
01:46:56.000 There's more to the economy than just money.
01:46:58.000 Yeah.
01:46:59.000 There's a whole lot more, and a lot of it is lives, and a lot of it is your future.
01:47:03.000 Like, if you're a person who's worked for 30 years, and you built a restaurant, and you've been showing up and busting your ass, and you have, you know, 20, 30 employees, and everybody works with you, and it's like a family.
01:47:16.000 Yeah.
01:47:17.000 And then all of a sudden...
01:47:19.000 That's gone.
01:47:19.000 It's your identity.
01:47:20.000 It's your purpose.
01:47:21.000 It's your life's work.
01:47:23.000 It's so much more than just...
01:47:24.000 It's not just the economy.
01:47:26.000 Well, I hate people reducing the economy to being some small thing.
01:47:29.000 The economy is human beings acting in cooperative ways to improve the standards of living.
01:47:36.000 This is what you invest the time of your life into.
01:47:41.000 There's nothing trivial about that.
01:47:43.000 And to your point, it's funny because even like...
01:47:47.000 Look, the critical race theory and the woke stuff, that is one strand of left-wing ideology for sure.
01:47:54.000 It comes out of the Frankfurt School and the postmodernists.
01:47:57.000 But that's just one little piece of left.
01:47:59.000 There's other traditions on the left that have nothing to do with that.
01:48:03.000 Noam Chomsky hated the postmodernists. 1.00
01:48:05.000 He was like, this is stupid. 1.00
01:48:07.000 He's like, this whole thing is ridiculous. 1.00
01:48:08.000 And there's lots of other leftists like that who would never say something like, well, it's just the economy. 0.95
01:48:14.000 Right.
01:48:15.000 They understand what work means to people, how much that's your purpose, your livelihood.
01:48:20.000 I don't think it's a well thought out position.
01:48:21.000 I just think that people say it.
01:48:23.000 No, people do.
01:48:24.000 And I think they say it because it's supposed to support the ideology of like stay home, double mask, social distance, do the right thing.
01:48:33.000 And there's a lot of people that are these kind of like really frantic Hysterical, paranoid people that are scared of things.
01:48:42.000 And they haven't had to encounter any real adversity in their life, any real scary moments.
01:48:49.000 And this is the scariest moment of their life, this pandemic, a global pandemic.
01:48:54.000 But it is, you know, as a global pandemic, I think we got really lucky.
01:49:00.000 I mean, it could have been the Spanish flu.
01:49:03.000 It could have been something that really does wipe out...
01:49:05.000 Even that you're not allowed to say, because then they'll be like, oh, so you're lucky?
01:49:08.000 You think all these dead people are lucky?
01:49:10.000 And you're like, well, no, but I'm just being an adult with some nuance.
01:49:13.000 Yes, compared to what we thought it might be.
01:49:16.000 Yeah, it's better than that.
01:49:19.000 Sometimes you have to choose between two bad options and saying, even though there's a lot of bad with what we got, it could have been a lot worse.
01:49:27.000 I mean, thank God.
01:49:28.000 Ben Shapiro said this, and I think he got in trouble for it.
01:49:31.000 I got in trouble, like, you know, there's a Twitter mob.
01:49:33.000 He's fine.
01:49:34.000 But he said the thing, and he's so right, he goes, man, thank God this thing doesn't kill kids.
01:49:38.000 I mean, can you just imagine, like, what a stroke of luck that is.
01:49:42.000 That this thing just really doesn't kill kids, and I know there's a few exceptions to that rule, but generally speaking, kids are fine for this.
01:49:49.000 You know how much How much worse this whole thing would be if kids died from it?
01:49:52.000 How much more panicked we would all be over this?
01:49:54.000 Well, that's what's fascinating, because the flu does kill kids.
01:49:56.000 And we've never taken any precautions to shield kids from the flu.
01:50:00.000 We've never tested teachers.
01:50:01.000 We never made anybody wear masks.
01:50:03.000 We never even tested kids.
01:50:04.000 Kids would show up with the flu and get other kids sick at school.
01:50:08.000 All the time.
01:50:09.000 And then they got a baby brother at home, and they go home, and the baby gets the flu, and babies die from the flu.
01:50:14.000 All the time.
01:50:15.000 But this is the thing, and this was one of the things that COVID brought up to the surface that a lot of us don't really think about.
01:50:22.000 But there are all types of risks that go on with life.
01:50:28.000 That we accept.
01:50:29.000 That we just accept, well, there's risks to this game.
01:50:32.000 But once those risks get highlighted and once they become a part of the narrative, then it gets weird.
01:50:36.000 It's very hard to argue.
01:50:37.000 But even just that, right?
01:50:38.000 So if you take the position, hey, I think that we should always wear masks social distance because of the flu, of how it can kill babies and stuff like that.
01:50:48.000 We're good to go.
01:51:06.000 What happened to the flu?
01:51:08.000 How many people got the flu this year?
01:51:10.000 Very few.
01:51:11.000 It's weird.
01:51:12.000 Very weird.
01:51:12.000 Do you think it's the masks?
01:51:13.000 You think it's the distancing?
01:51:14.000 You know, I really don't know.
01:51:15.000 What is it?
01:51:16.000 I don't know.
01:51:16.000 Maybe that is it.
01:51:17.000 Jamie, what do you think?
01:51:18.000 What do you think happened?
01:51:19.000 Where's the flu, Jamie?
01:51:20.000 How many people got the flu this year?
01:51:22.000 I'm looking.
01:51:22.000 Let's guess.
01:51:24.000 Normally, I think a bad year is like 30,000 people die from the flu, right?
01:51:28.000 I think bad might be a little worse than that.
01:51:30.000 I think sometimes it's like 50, 60,000.
01:51:32.000 That's a real bad year, right?
01:51:34.000 Okay.
01:51:34.000 So, how many people do you think, let's just guess, how many people died this year from the flu?
01:51:38.000 I think it's like under 1,000.
01:51:40.000 How's that possible?
01:51:41.000 I don't know.
01:51:42.000 I might be wrong about that, so get the number from me, but I know it's really low.
01:51:46.000 That doesn't seem to make sense.
01:51:49.000 I don't have an answer on that one.
01:51:51.000 I don't know.
01:51:51.000 It seems very strange.
01:51:53.000 Unless the people got COVID and then got the flu, and then they called it COVID. Yeah.
01:51:57.000 There's some people who have speculated that they're counting flu deaths as COVID deaths.
01:52:01.000 Yeah, but that's a lot of...
01:52:02.000 I don't know if that's right. 1.00
01:52:03.000 Put that fucking tinfoil hat on. 1.00
01:52:05.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:52:05.000 It's hard to say. 1.00
01:52:06.000 I mean, those kind of speculations I don't engage in, because I'm like, I don't...
01:52:10.000 What is this?
01:52:12.000 What are we doing here?
01:52:13.000 Yeah, I know.
01:52:13.000 And there's been a lot of that over the last year.
01:52:18.000 What do we got, Jamie?
01:52:19.000 I just see that flu activity is low at this time and 193.8 million doses of the flu vaccine have been distributed.
01:52:28.000 Distributed?
01:52:29.000 Yeah.
01:52:29.000 Does that mean injected?
01:52:31.000 Or does that mean sent to Walmart?
01:52:33.000 Yeah, I don't think it does any good if you just send it to Walmart.
01:52:35.000 Someone's got to get a prick.
01:52:36.000 What does that mean?
01:52:40.000 Decreased activity seems kind of new.
01:52:45.000 So it doesn't say how many deaths?
01:52:47.000 It doesn't say how many deaths from the flu?
01:52:48.000 I'll just type that in.
01:52:49.000 Flu deaths.
01:52:51.000 Flu deaths 2020. 2020. I'm going to guess.
01:52:55.000 USA CDC. I'm going to guess 4,000.
01:53:02.000 As of October 6th, CDC estimates...
01:53:08.000 38 million people got sick with it.
01:53:09.000 18 million people went to a healthcare provider, 400,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 flu deaths.
01:53:16.000 In America?
01:53:17.000 In 2020?
01:53:21.000 2019-2020 flu season.
01:53:23.000 Oh, okay.
01:53:24.000 Wow.
01:53:24.000 I was way off.
01:53:25.000 I thought it was a lot lower than that.
01:53:26.000 20,000 is a legit number.
01:53:28.000 That's a lot of people.
01:53:30.000 Huh.
01:53:31.000 Nobody talked about that at all.
01:53:33.000 All right.
01:53:34.000 So maybe it's not completely gone.
01:53:36.000 Not at all.
01:53:37.000 We got to take care of this flu.
01:53:39.000 It's killing people.
01:53:40.000 We need a flu passport.
01:53:41.000 There you go.
01:53:42.000 A flu vaccine passport.
01:53:43.000 Do you get flu shots?
01:53:45.000 I've never gotten a flu shot, no.
01:53:47.000 I don't get flu shots.
01:53:48.000 I was advised to when my daughter was born, and I never ended up doing it.
01:53:55.000 I think by the time I was going to do it, it was already like, yeah, we kind of made it out of flu season.
01:53:59.000 I was like, yeah, I think we're fine.
01:54:01.000 I tell this to people, and it sounds like I'm bragging because I am.
01:54:05.000 I haven't been sick in 15 years.
01:54:07.000 Yeah?
01:54:08.000 Yeah.
01:54:08.000 But I'm on a shitload of vitamins.
01:54:10.000 I do this on every day.
01:54:11.000 I'm on testosterone.
01:54:12.000 I'm on all these different things.
01:54:13.000 You should brag about it.
01:54:14.000 I'm not doing what a normal person does.
01:54:17.000 Yeah.
01:54:17.000 Well, you should encourage people to do that.
01:54:19.000 Taking care of your immune system is important.
01:54:21.000 Well, it's a lot of work.
01:54:23.000 And I don't think, especially when it comes to the exercise, some people are just not inclined to do that.
01:54:28.000 And that's their choice.
01:54:29.000 But when they want to compare, you know, the way you feel about something, like your nervousness or your anxiety about something versus other people.
01:54:40.000 I'm nervous for other people.
01:54:41.000 And I've said this openly, that I'm not nervous about it for myself.
01:54:44.000 Because I know too many people that have gotten it.
01:54:47.000 My family got it.
01:54:48.000 My whole family got COVID and I was with them and I never got it.
01:54:52.000 And I'm assuming, based on all of the research that's been done on the immune system and what you could do to boost your immune system and all those things that I've done and actively done for fucking forever, for most of my life, that that had an impact.
01:55:08.000 Yeah.
01:55:08.000 Well, I think that this...
01:55:10.000 Look, the science is pretty clear that if you don't have major underlying health issues and you have a strong immune system, you have nothing to worry about with COVID. But if you say that, people will go fucking bananas and say, why aren't you vaccinated? 0.74
01:55:23.000 I know. 0.98
01:55:24.000 It's just...
01:55:24.000 It's really something.
01:55:26.000 It's unbelievable.
01:55:27.000 And it's...
01:55:28.000 You know, people have...
01:55:30.000 Like we were saying before, people have...
01:55:32.000 We've developed an emotional stock in this world view now.
01:55:37.000 And that's going to have to be broken if we're going to be okay.
01:55:41.000 And dude, I'm not even against being vaccinated.
01:55:43.000 I'm not.
01:55:44.000 I'm confused about this narrative.
01:55:47.000 And I'm confused why people can't look at this nuance.
01:55:50.000 But there was a moment where the UFC had allocated a certain amount of vaccines.
01:55:55.000 And I said, okay, save one for me.
01:55:57.000 And I went down to the UFC to do the fights, and I thought I'd be able to get it there.
01:56:04.000 And they said, no, there has been a misunderstanding.
01:56:06.000 You're going to have to come back on Monday. 0.99
01:56:08.000 I said, shit, I can't come back on Monday. 0.99
01:56:10.000 I said, all right, well, we'll figure this out. 0.99
01:56:12.000 So I didn't get vaccinated, and that was a Johnson& Johnson vaccine, and they pulled it off the market because blood clots.
01:56:19.000 Which also seemed like, to be honest, seemed like a very small number of blood clots.
01:56:24.000 It was something like a few cases in millions of doses.
01:56:27.000 I don't know. 0.99
01:56:27.000 That's where I'm putting my fucking tinfoil hat on. 0.99
01:56:30.000 Because if it's like really six cases of blood clots over millions of doses, are you sure? 0.99
01:56:37.000 But it's also, it's just so crazy, and this is just like how the government ends up working, where it's like, you know, you have Dr. Fauci out there for a while, like, no, don't wear a mask, that's ridiculous.
01:56:47.000 And then it's like, what?
01:56:47.000 You're not wearing a mask?
01:56:48.000 You're an insane person. 1.00
01:56:49.000 And now he's wearing two. 0.99
01:56:50.000 Yeah, they're wearing two after being vaccinated, you know?
01:56:53.000 And then, so they're literally going there, like, it's like one day, Literally one day at noon, you're a kook if you question the vaccines.
01:57:01.000 And the next day at noon, they're like, well, we're pulling this vaccine because there's been all these health problems.
01:57:05.000 But just yesterday, you weren't even allowed to question whether there were health problems related to the vaccine.
01:57:11.000 I almost took the Johnson& Johnson vaccine days before it got pulled.
01:57:16.000 And if it did get pulled, I would be sitting here going...
01:57:19.000 Yeah, right.
01:57:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:57:21.000 How am I doing?
01:57:22.000 Am I okay?
01:57:23.000 How do you check for blood clots?
01:57:24.000 And I was listening to this doctor discuss what to be worried about and that you really shouldn't be concerned because it's a very small number of people and it's primarily women for some reason.
01:57:35.000 And they think it might have something to do with the birth control pill.
01:57:38.000 And this was all speculation, right?
01:57:40.000 They were just...
01:57:41.000 And he was saying, if you have weakness in one side of your body...
01:57:45.000 I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.
01:57:47.000 They were talking about all these different things.
01:57:49.000 You have trouble with your vision.
01:57:51.000 If you have severe headaches and nausea, I'm like, oh, Christ.
01:57:54.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
01:57:56.000 And I'm just thinking, what would I be feeling right now if I had taken that shot and I'm here driving around listening to this guy talk about all these side effects?
01:58:04.000 And then, you know, Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying have a great podcast, the Dark Horse podcast.
01:58:12.000 And, you know, he's an evolutionary biologist.
01:58:14.000 And so she, they're brilliant people.
01:58:16.000 And they're talking about, she might be just a regular biologist.
01:58:19.000 I don't know what kind of biologist she is, but they're both brilliant.
01:58:21.000 And they were talking about this, the narrative about the vaccines, about whether or not the vaccines are safe.
01:58:29.000 And that this is not even something that you're allowed to have a discussion about.
01:58:34.000 And that is so strange.
01:58:36.000 There's nothing else where you can have a discussion about whether or not it's okay to get an injection of something into your body.
01:58:43.000 This is a really weird thing where you're supposed to...
01:58:48.000 It's almost like people don't want to think that maybe there could be something dangerous ever about not just a vaccine, but any kind of a drug that you get injected in your body.
01:58:56.000 So because of this, because this is so critical, they want you to play make-believe with them and say there's no risks.
01:59:03.000 And that we have to have this unbelievable faith in In all of these establishment institutions.
01:59:09.000 Well, of course they got it right.
01:59:11.000 I mean, they wouldn't be rolling it out this way unless they got it right, you know?
01:59:14.000 And that's why we're all going to do this thing.
01:59:17.000 Brian Stelter at CNN was criticizing Fox News because their hosts have not been publicly getting the vaccine.
01:59:25.000 They're not taking pictures on air of them. 0.98
01:59:27.000 Which, first of all, if nothing else, can we all acknowledge that that's fucking weird. 0.93
01:59:32.000 It is weird. 0.96
01:59:34.000 Like, objectively, it is weird to be putting out pictures of you getting a vaccine in this almost like ceremonial kind of like thing.
01:59:43.000 Like, it's very weird.
01:59:44.000 And then you're going like, okay, well, look, these vaccines were developed very quickly.
01:59:49.000 There is huge money that's being made here by these big pharmaceutical companies, right?
01:59:54.000 Are we not allowed to be skeptical of any of this, to ask questions about this?
01:59:59.000 Like, who's getting money?
02:00:00.000 Is it really appropriate for, say, CNN to be just shilling for big pharmaceutical companies?
02:00:06.000 Like, we're taking pictures of us taking your product, and now we're chastising others for not taking pictures of it?
02:00:13.000 How about medical privacy?
02:00:15.000 Right, you're putting social pressure on people.
02:00:24.000 Of social media ways.
02:00:27.000 You're actually saying it like it's a virtue.
02:00:30.000 You're saying it like it's a good thing that people display the fact that they're being compliant and they're doing this.
02:00:38.000 Yeah, it gives me the creeps.
02:00:40.000 The whole thing is very creepy to me.
02:00:42.000 You should get vaccinated if you're vulnerable.
02:00:44.000 I think you should get vaccinated if you feel like my parents are vaccinated.
02:00:48.000 I've encouraged a lot of people and people say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated?
02:00:51.000 I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated.
02:00:54.000 I do.
02:00:54.000 I do.
02:00:56.000 But if you're like 21 years old and you say to me, should I get vaccinated?
02:00:59.000 I go, no.
02:01:01.000 Are you healthy?
02:01:03.000 Are you a healthy person? 0.99
02:01:04.000 Like, look, don't do anything stupid, but you should take care of yourself. 0.94
02:01:07.000 If you're a healthy person and you're exercising all the time and you're young and you're eating well, I don't think you need to worry about this. 0.95
02:01:16.000 Yeah, I tend to agree with you.
02:01:17.000 But there's a lot of jobs that will tell you you need to have this.
02:01:21.000 Well, that's what's starting to happen now.
02:01:22.000 People are worried about them doing it for their children.
02:01:24.000 And we talked about this earlier, that you might have to have your children vaccinated.
02:01:30.000 Cool.
02:01:30.000 And, you know, I can tell you as someone who's both my children got the virus, it was nothing.
02:01:35.000 I mean, I hate to say that.
02:01:37.000 If someone's children died from this, I'm very sorry that that happened.
02:01:41.000 I'm not in any way diminishing that.
02:01:43.000 But I'm saying the personal experience that my children had with COVID was nothing.
02:01:47.000 One of the kids had a headache.
02:01:49.000 The other one didn't feel good for a couple days.
02:01:51.000 I mean, not feel good.
02:01:53.000 Like, no big deal.
02:01:55.000 No coughing.
02:01:56.000 No achy.
02:01:58.000 No agony.
02:01:59.000 There was none of that.
02:02:00.000 It was very mild.
02:02:02.000 It was akin to them getting a cold.
02:02:05.000 Yeah, and you can have this thing where it's like you were saying this virtue signaling and this kind of like theatrical display of I get the vaccine, what a good person I am, I care about everyone. 0.95
02:02:14.000 But you're like, look, my daughter's a lot younger than your kids, but I'm like, yeah, I'm not injecting my daughter with something to fucking virtue signal.
02:02:21.000 I'm not doing that.
02:02:23.000 If there's something that she's of no risk, statistically has no risk from, I'm sorry, I'm not taking any experiment on her.
02:02:30.000 And that's my attitude toward it.
02:02:33.000 But it's amazing that that's controversial.
02:02:34.000 That even saying that, I'm not going to inject my child with the vaccine, is controversial.
02:02:40.000 It's crazy.
02:02:41.000 Because again, we are not talking about even the flu that we just found out killed 22,000 people last year.
02:02:47.000 We're not talking about that.
02:02:49.000 We're talking about something that is not statistically dangerous for children.
02:02:54.000 But yet people still want you to get your child vaccinated, which is crazy to me.
02:02:58.000 Like, you should be vaccinated if you are vulnerable.
02:03:01.000 You should.
02:03:03.000 Ted Nugent's got the row.
02:03:04.000 He got...
02:03:05.000 What did he get?
02:03:06.000 He's got the Rona.
02:03:06.000 Oh, really?
02:03:07.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:03:08.000 Yeah, he's been talking all this shit. 1.00
02:03:10.000 It's kind of hilarious. 1.00
02:03:11.000 He said there is no pandemic.
02:03:12.000 He said it's a scam.
02:03:14.000 And he said he's never been sicker in his life. 1.00
02:03:17.000 He said he's coughing up giant chunks of shit. 1.00
02:03:19.000 That's got to just feel really awful. 1.00
02:03:22.000 Not only just being sick, but then just being shit. 0.99
02:03:25.000 How do you say that term? 1.00
02:03:27.000 I don't know how to spell it.
02:03:31.000 Schadenfreude.
02:03:32.000 Schadenfreude.
02:03:33.000 Yeah, whatever it is.
02:03:35.000 That's that. 0.98
02:03:36.000 I mean, there's so many videos of him talking shit about the Rona. 0.97
02:03:39.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98
02:03:40.000 I'm sure there are people laughing at him now.
02:03:42.000 Everyone felt that when Trump got it.
02:03:43.000 They were like, ah-ha, you downplayed it now, you got it.
02:03:46.000 But then he was fine.
02:03:47.000 I don't think Ted even takes vitamins.
02:03:50.000 I don't think he works out. 1.00
02:03:51.000 He just bowhunts and talks shit and plays guitar. 0.99
02:03:54.000 Well, turns out that doesn't keep COVID away. 1.00
02:03:56.000 Turns out that's not quite enough.
02:03:58.000 He's also fairly old.
02:03:59.000 I mean, he's in his 70s, I believe, you know?
02:04:03.000 But, you know, people on CNN were, they were loving it.
02:04:07.000 They were loving the fact that he got it.
02:04:08.000 It's always like, I remember feeling that way when Trump got it, too.
02:04:10.000 It's almost like they couldn't even keep it inside.
02:04:12.000 Like, they're trying to pretend that they're not so happy that this happened. 1.00
02:04:16.000 Meanwhile, that fat fuck four days later was fine. 1.00
02:04:18.000 That's what's crazy. 1.00
02:04:19.000 Bring me a cheeseburger.
02:04:21.000 I'll beat this thing by lunch.
02:04:22.000 Four days later.
02:04:23.000 I know.
02:04:23.000 That was what's crazy.
02:04:24.000 I mean, the guy's an animal.
02:04:26.000 I mean, love him or hate him, I'm not a fan.
02:04:29.000 I'm not a fan of the way he ran the country or the way he talks, you know, especially in press conferences.
02:04:37.000 I mean, just the inflammatory rhetoric that that guy, I think he did more harm than good and created the division and rather accentuated the division.
02:04:45.000 Well, I think that you, okay, there are like a few legitimate silver linings that I think were really good that came out of the Trump campaign.
02:05:05.000 Yeah.
02:05:06.000 Yeah.
02:05:18.000 We're against the wars.
02:05:19.000 We want to bring them home.
02:05:19.000 Whereas they were very uncomfortable to do that, but now that Mr. President Donald Trump did it, it's okay for them to do it.
02:05:26.000 He also had the courage to say that the military-industrial complex is a real thing.
02:05:29.000 Remember that interview?
02:05:30.000 That was crazy.
02:05:31.000 Yeah, it was unbelievable.
02:05:32.000 He's like, there's people out there that really want to go to war.
02:05:34.000 Oh, he goes, yeah, he goes, look, every time I want to end the war, I'm fought by the Pentagon.
02:05:38.000 Of course, the issue there is you're like, well, I mean, you are the commander-in-chief, so what are we doing here?
02:05:42.000 Well, what is happening now?
02:05:44.000 Didn't Biden say that he's going to pull everybody out of Afghanistan by June or something like that?
02:05:47.000 No, he pushed back.
02:05:49.000 Trump had worked out a deal with the Taliban to leave, and he pushed it back to September.
02:05:55.000 But said that we will leave in September, on September 11th.
02:05:59.000 So Joe Biden, this is the thing, it's like being celebrated like, oh, it's great, he's ending the war.
02:06:04.000 It's like, well, no, that's not actually what he did.
02:06:06.000 What he's doing is extending the war.
02:06:07.000 And he's extending the war so that he can leave on September 11th for some type of ceremonial victory, I don't know, some symbolism of like, yeah, this was the great day that the great Joe Biden pulled the troops out.
02:06:22.000 And I got to be honest, I'm very skeptical that he's going to do that.
02:06:26.000 But we've had all of these dates where, you know, Joe Biden, when he was vice president, I think he promised we'd be out in 2014. And then Obama said, that's absolutely right.
02:06:33.000 We'll be out in 2014. And they just keep going and keep going.
02:06:36.000 Do you think that without, you know, any tinfoil hat perspective, do you think that they're doing this just for money?
02:06:43.000 Yeah, but I don't think you need a tinfoil hat.
02:06:46.000 You know, it's like, look, the military industrial complex is the biggest honeypot in the history of the world.
02:06:54.000 It's like a trillion dollars a year that gets spent maintaining this empire.
02:06:58.000 And like, yeah, there's people making all types of money off of it.
02:07:02.000 And those people have a lot of influence in Washington.
02:07:04.000 And so like, yeah, they want to keep making that money.
02:07:07.000 They want to keep the gravy train, you know, rolling.
02:07:10.000 And so I don't think it's even conspiratorial at all.
02:07:13.000 In fact, I think the more conspiratorial thing is to go into all of these other reasons why they would want to stay there.
02:07:19.000 But I think that the major driving force is that there is, as Dwight Eisenhower, like Mr. Military, Dwight Eisenhower said, we built up a huge industrial complex that makes money off the warfare machine.
02:07:35.000 Isn't it crazy when you look back at him giving that national address At a time when you had to watch it on television, there was no recording devices.
02:07:44.000 He did it at a time where the only way Americans could see that was you had to be sitting in front of the television, and he had a message, and that was what was really important for him to get out there.
02:07:55.000 I want you to beware of the military-industrial complex and its influence.
02:07:59.000 And of all the people, Mr. General One World War II. Dwight.
02:08:07.000 Ike.
02:08:08.000 That is the guy who's given you this message of all the people.
02:08:12.000 You have to listen to him saying it.
02:08:14.000 This is the guy who really knows.
02:08:16.000 And it was brand new.
02:08:17.000 I mean, there was always like...
02:08:20.000 A military issue, but it was the World War II effort and the post-World War II effort that had led to this.
02:08:27.000 It was a whole new world then. 0.95
02:08:28.000 It's like, oh shit, now we got nukes and we got this big arms industry and all of this. 0.99
02:08:33.000 And I mean, look, I think that Donald Trump was right when he said that. 0.99
02:08:37.000 Then he said that he's like, yeah, there are all these interests who want to keep these wars going and they fight you every time you try to end it.
02:08:43.000 Now, to your point, I do think that Donald Trump in result was just bad.
02:08:46.000 I think all he did was he agitated the far left, made them crazier than they've ever been before.
02:08:52.000 He didn't Actually accomplish much of anything.
02:08:56.000 I know there's people who will rattle off all of these things that he did.
02:09:00.000 His presidency ended with Americans being locked in their homes and the economy being destroyed and Joe Biden getting elected.
02:09:07.000 Imagine what would have happened.
02:09:09.000 I think he would have won again if it wasn't for COVID. I think he would have won on a landslide.
02:09:14.000 No question.
02:09:15.000 I don't see how.
02:09:16.000 If it wasn't for COVID and the voting overhaul, and I'm not claiming like there was a bunch of fraud, I'm just saying that the voting by mail let a lot more people vote and it was a whole different way to do elections.
02:09:26.000 If he had his economy from January 2019 in November 2020 and they had the same way, we were doing voting the same way we always used to, I think he wins in a landslide.
02:09:37.000 So crazy.
02:09:40.000 I just wonder what's going to happen because he's going to run again in 2024, he said. 0.99
02:09:44.000 He said that, but he's also, it's like on one hand, he's old and fat, but then on the other hand, he's Donald fucking Trump, so who the hell knows what he might do. 0.98
02:09:54.000 He's different in that. 0.98
02:09:56.000 You don't think of him as old the way you think of Joe Biden as old, and they're not much different in age.
02:10:01.000 Do you remember that year on The Ultimate Fighter when George St. Pierre brought that kickboxer in? 0.92
02:10:08.000 He's like a drunk and he smokes and just fucks everyone up at kickboxing.
02:10:12.000 And you're like, yeah, most people can't do that. 0.99
02:10:15.000 But then there's this one guy who he could just get drunk, smoke, and then come fuck up MMA fighters at kickboxing. 0.81
02:10:23.000 And like... 0.97
02:10:25.000 Most people can't be fat and in their mid-70s and eat McDonald's and still have this much energy.
02:10:31.000 But Trump kind of can.
02:10:34.000 Skarboski.
02:10:35.000 Was that him?
02:10:36.000 Yeah.
02:10:36.000 That was a fun episode.
02:10:37.000 Oh, he's a beast.
02:10:38.000 That guy was a French guy.
02:10:40.000 Amazing kickboxer.
02:10:41.000 Yeah.
02:10:42.000 It was really cool to watch him just sparring around.
02:10:45.000 And George St. Pierre prepping them all.
02:10:47.000 Pull a video of that because it's kind of hilarious. 1.00
02:10:49.000 Because first of all, he looks like shit. 0.99
02:10:51.000 If you look at his body, it's not like he's Yoel Romero. 1.00
02:10:54.000 No, no, no.
02:10:55.000 But George St. Pierre warns them, listen, don't look him in his eye.
02:10:58.000 Don't look away from his eyes.
02:11:00.000 Just be very friendly to him. 0.99
02:11:02.000 Because if this guy wants to, he's a little bit crazy.
02:11:06.000 So he gets out.
02:11:06.000 He had been partying all night.
02:11:09.000 So here they are training in the morning, and he shows up, and George, who's just such a brilliant guy, so open-minded, he had been sparring with this guy in the past, and there he is.
02:11:23.000 There's Skarboski.
02:11:24.000 So look at him.
02:11:25.000 He's got a belly.
02:11:27.000 He doesn't have muscles.
02:11:29.000 If you looked at him, you're like, oh, this is the guy that just started training.
02:11:32.000 If you looked at him, if you didn't know, if I saw that guy, if I went to the gym and I saw that guy, I'd be like, oh, okay, this guy is probably trying to get in shape.
02:11:42.000 Right.
02:11:42.000 Probably never really trained before.
02:11:44.000 But then you watch him fuck these guys up. 0.99
02:11:47.000 They literally have no idea what to do with him. 0.99
02:11:51.000 And he's so efficient that he doesn't have to be sober.
02:11:56.000 He doesn't have to be in shape.
02:11:57.000 Back it up a little bit.
02:11:58.000 I just missed that one.
02:12:01.000 He's playing with these guys.
02:12:05.000 Also, we should point out that that guy's not a striker.
02:12:10.000 They're not on the same level as him. 0.98
02:12:13.000 He smokes cigarettes, he drinks whiskey, and he comes in and fucks everybody up. 0.67
02:12:18.000 If you watch his fights online, you can watch a bunch of his kickboxing matches. 0.83
02:12:26.000 He was amazing.
02:12:27.000 Super efficient guy.
02:12:31.000 Oof, yeah.
02:12:32.000 Just knows where to be and where not to be.
02:12:35.000 Yeah, it's funny to see now looking back at it, I forgot.
02:12:37.000 I was literally just thinking of this thing and I forgot that it was like Michael Johnson was in there.
02:12:42.000 Yeah.
02:12:43.000 Alex Caceres.
02:12:44.000 Yeah.
02:12:45.000 Like, oh, those guys are like, they went on to be good fighters.
02:12:47.000 Oh, they went on to be great fighters.
02:12:48.000 Yeah.
02:12:49.000 He's, you know, Skorboxky's probably in France somewhere right now drunk. 0.99
02:12:55.000 Drunk. 0.98
02:12:55.000 Could still probably fuck any of them up at kickboxing. 0.98
02:12:58.000 Yeah. 0.96
02:12:58.000 Yeah. 0.96
02:12:58.000 I'm worried about this country. 0.96
02:13:00.000 I really am.
02:13:01.000 I'm worried about how we pull ourselves back to some sort of homeostasis.
02:13:06.000 We bring ourselves back to some sort of calm place where we can agree to disagree, where we can have Republicans and Democrats, right-wing and left-wing people, sit and discuss ideas and not be at each other's throats.
02:13:18.000 Yeah.
02:13:19.000 I'm worried that social media has accentuated all this because we've gotten accustomed to silencing people, which I think is very dangerous.
02:13:26.000 It just reinforces these echo chambers that people live in every day and makes them think that they're right because these people do get silenced and deplatformed and so many people call for it.
02:13:36.000 It's disconcerting to me.
02:13:40.000 It's not smart.
02:13:41.000 It's not sustainable.
02:13:44.000 And a lot of people think it's setting us up for some sort of a civil war.
02:13:48.000 And when, you know, that sounds like completely hyperbolic, right?
02:13:51.000 But then you see that Capitol Hill attack and you go, Jesus Christ. 1.00
02:13:55.000 These are morons that are doing this, right? 1.00
02:13:57.000 These are really stupid people that did that Capitol Hill attack. 1.00
02:14:01.000 But what if things get worse and then people that are maybe a little smarter think it's a good idea to fight the left or fight the government or fight the powers that be? 1.00
02:14:10.000 Or maybe one too many people sees these attacks on churchgoers in Canada and it starts happening up there as well. 0.98
02:14:18.000 This kind of shit is just hard to pull out of when everything feels so... 1.00
02:14:25.000 It feels so volatile. 1.00
02:14:27.000 It feels so fragile.
02:14:30.000 Just the fabric of society, the fabric of civility seems so easy to tear right now.
02:14:36.000 Yeah, well, it's like, look, I mean, in the 20th century, we fought two world wars.
02:14:41.000 These were like advanced industrial countries that had people made out of the same stuff me and you are made out of that let it get to that level.
02:14:50.000 You're like, wouldn't you think, well, at some point, like rational minds have to, you know, have cooler tempers or figure this out.
02:14:56.000 It's like, no, no, no.
02:14:56.000 They just let it get to that point.
02:14:58.000 Tens of millions of people are slaughtered.
02:15:00.000 Then a few years, they did it again.
02:15:01.000 Like, you know, and there are genocides.
02:15:03.000 So...
02:15:04.000 Things can go really, really bad.
02:15:07.000 And we're at a very dangerous point right now.
02:15:09.000 Very, very dangerous.
02:15:10.000 We're flirting with absolute disaster.
02:15:13.000 But there are also really amazing parts of human history where incredible things were pulled off that you couldn't have imagined.
02:15:23.000 I mean, a good friend of mine is like a mentor of mine, Gene Epstein, who's a brilliant economist.
02:15:28.000 And he says this.
02:15:30.000 He used to say – I really love this.
02:15:32.000 He goes, you know, if you were sitting around in 1840 and you were like an abolitionist talking to another abolitionist and you said, hey, you know, I think in 25 years slavery across the West will be abolished.
02:15:44.000 You'd be like, that's insane.
02:15:46.000 There's been slavery since the dawn of time and it's like completely the foundational building block of all of these societies.
02:15:53.000 But it was.
02:15:55.000 At least blatant slavery in the West. 0.51
02:15:58.000 Incredible things can happen, and ideas are really powerful.
02:16:01.000 Thomas Paine just wrote pamphlets.
02:16:03.000 They changed the course of history.
02:16:07.000 What you're doing here, even putting that message out there, that it's like, hey, we have to stop trying to shut people up.
02:16:14.000 We have to stop I think?
02:16:38.000 The demand that you denounce people, I hate that.
02:16:42.000 I hate the idea that you have to denounce someone if they have bad views.
02:16:47.000 Why can't I just tell you what I think?
02:16:49.000 Why do I have to denounce somebody else as a person for saying something I don't agree with?
02:16:55.000 Silence is violence, Dave.
02:16:56.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:16:57.000 Violence is violence, but also saying the wrong thing is violence.
02:17:01.000 That could be a microaggression. 1.00
02:17:03.000 But that shit has to be defeated. 1.00
02:17:05.000 And luckily, it's completely hollow. 1.00
02:17:08.000 The whole woke shit is like, it's all smoke and mirrors. 1.00
02:17:12.000 It's like big corporations, a few crazy 20-year-olds, and then behind it is just a sea of regular people who don't buy any of this shit. 1.00
02:17:21.000 But it is amazing how it does work. 0.99
02:17:24.000 Yeah.
02:17:25.000 Like that these big corporations can adopt woke ideology, at least on paper, and just say it.
02:17:30.000 And, you know, have their diversity training and have their inclusiveness and have these statements that they put out and go, all right, we did our job.
02:17:38.000 Now let's keep polluting rivers. 1.00
02:17:40.000 Yeah, well, that's right.
02:17:41.000 And it's intoxicating for...
02:17:45.000 A certain group of people who are kind of like would-be authoritarians who are low status and not very bright.
02:17:55.000 People like that love wokeism because it's a real excuse where you don't have to know anything. 0.92
02:18:02.000 You don't have to know anything to go, I'm offended by Joe Rogan, and I think he is a racist, sexist, transphobe, whatever any of the other words are. 0.89
02:18:10.000 That's it. 0.54
02:18:11.000 You don't have to know anything.
02:18:12.000 You don't have to add anything.
02:18:13.000 You don't have to have built anything yourself.
02:18:15.000 I mean, to be outraged at a president for a war or a policy or something, you might have to crack a book.
02:18:23.000 You might have to actually know something.
02:18:24.000 You know, to just call something racist or sexist is very easy.
02:18:28.000 And then you get to immediately put yourself in this elevated status of moral superiority that other people don't have.
02:18:35.000 When you really have no, you haven't achieved anything.
02:18:38.000 I mean, you haven't done anything.
02:18:39.000 You know, you could like, you could call some guy a homophobe, but it's like, Maybe you should go help someone who came out to their parents and got kicked out of their home or something like that.
02:18:51.000 Go do something if you want this sense of moral superiority rather than just calling someone out.
02:18:57.000 So we've got to find a way one way or the other to break that.
02:19:01.000 Well, that's all a product of social media.
02:19:04.000 This ability to express yourself in these quick little sound bites and then see likes come in.
02:19:10.000 It's very intoxicating.
02:19:12.000 It's very addictive.
02:19:14.000 Did you see The Social Dilemma?
02:19:15.000 Yeah, I saw it.
02:19:16.000 It's very interesting.
02:19:17.000 Terrifying.
02:19:17.000 Yeah.
02:19:17.000 Terrifying.
02:19:18.000 Because their conclusions seem to be, first of all, it's all playing out exactly as they predicted. 0.93
02:19:25.000 And these guys that were engineers that figured out these algorithms that put this all together, they realized as they were doing, holy shit, this does not go in a good direction. 0.69
02:19:36.000 And they're right. 0.91
02:19:37.000 Yeah, no, I think they are right.
02:19:39.000 I also think there's basically nothing we can do about that aspect of it.
02:19:43.000 I just think, like, this is here with us now, and this is the technology, and it's probably going to be impossible to put that toothpaste back in the tube.
02:19:50.000 But what you almost have to do, like, in some jujitsu sense, is, like, we've got to try to take that energy and turn it into a better...
02:19:59.000 I don't have the answers for that.
02:20:01.000 But you're not going to stop the technology from existing.
02:20:05.000 So we have to find a way to try to mitigate some of these bad qualities of people getting addicted to the likes and the feedback and the algorithm playing toward that.
02:20:16.000 But the thing that I didn't like in that movie, if I'm remembering correctly, because it was a while ago that I saw it, I liked the documentary a lot.
02:20:23.000 I thought it was good.
02:20:24.000 Didn't care for the acting.
02:20:25.000 I thought that was unnecessary.
02:20:27.000 I was like, I could just listen to these smart people and not have to see this family falling apart.
02:20:31.000 The guy's down in Antifa now.
02:20:33.000 I'm like, all right.
02:20:34.000 I don't know if I needed that.
02:20:36.000 Yeah, you don't have to spell it out to me like that.
02:20:38.000 The problem is that when they start pushing the fake news narrative, that I really object to.
02:20:44.000 Like the idea that this is something that the corporate press really pushes to, that the big concern is I think?
02:21:09.000 I'm not saying he's right about everything, but he's been better than CNN. There's a thing.
02:21:14.000 I'll send this to you, Jamie. 0.98
02:21:15.000 There's a meme of all the shit that Alex got right, and it's kind of crazy. 0.90
02:21:22.000 I'm going to send it to you here, Jamie. 0.97
02:21:23.000 Again, not to say he hasn't gotten some things wrong, too, but how about the war in Iraq?
02:21:29.000 Like, I'm sorry, that's still a bigger deal than anything else that, you know, CNN and the New York Times has absolutely no right to look down their nose at Alex Jones.
02:21:37.000 You got the war in Iraq wrong, and he got it right. 1.00
02:21:40.000 There's a million dead people over that.
02:21:42.000 Trillions of dollars.
02:21:43.000 Mothers of soldiers who have committed suicide still crying themselves to sleep at night.
02:21:47.000 So give me a break about fake news.
02:21:49.000 Look at all this stuff.
02:21:50.000 You're TV spying on you, check. 0.83
02:21:52.000 Elite cabal of sex traffickers, check. 1.00
02:21:55.000 They're turning the frogs gay. 1.00
02:21:57.000 Ha ha ha!
02:21:57.000 Well, that's when we went over yesterday with this woman who was explaining plastics and pesticides, that it's literally making frogs.
02:22:07.000 It's doing the same thing to frogs as it's doing to people. 0.99
02:22:10.000 It's not turning them gay, but it's turning the males more feminine, and it's doing all this weird shit to their genders. 0.99
02:22:15.000 So he was onto something. 0.99
02:22:17.000 He was right about that.
02:22:18.000 Bohemian Grove.
02:22:19.000 Check.
02:22:20.000 Silver iodide.
02:22:21.000 I don't know about that.
02:22:22.000 Is that real?
02:22:22.000 I don't know what that is.
02:22:23.000 Is that silver iodide?
02:22:24.000 Is it kill viruses or something like that?
02:22:27.000 I don't know what it's supposed to do.
02:22:29.000 It just says it.
02:22:29.000 Rich people using baby blood.
02:22:31.000 Check.
02:22:32.000 Now you are here.
02:22:33.000 There's an arrow that says human monkey chimeras.
02:22:37.000 That's how you say that, right?
02:22:38.000 Chimera?
02:22:38.000 Mm-hmm.
02:22:38.000 Is that how you say it?
02:22:39.000 Mm-hmm.
02:22:40.000 That's real.
02:22:41.000 Do you know that?
02:22:42.000 I don't know what that is.
02:22:43.000 That's a human monkey embryo that scientists have admitted.
02:22:47.000 I put it on my Instagram the other day.
02:22:48.000 Oh jeez.
02:22:49.000 This is from NPR. I don't know if I'm ready for that.
02:22:52.000 Next, interdimensional elves.
02:22:55.000 Now, I know about those.
02:22:58.000 DMT? Yeah, those are real.
02:22:59.000 So, he's right about all those things.
02:23:02.000 It's a lot!
02:23:03.000 The human monkey chimeras, like, you should pull up that article.
02:23:07.000 It's an NPR article.
02:23:08.000 The embryos that scientists have developed.
02:23:11.000 Alex told me that they developed these a long time ago.
02:23:14.000 They're just admitting to it now.
02:23:16.000 And that he had been told about these things by high-level people more than a decade ago.
02:23:21.000 That they had been doing these experiences.
02:23:23.000 Scientists create early embryos that are part human, part monkey.
02:23:26.000 What could go wrong there, Dave Smith?
02:23:29.000 Seems like a lot.
02:23:30.000 What a great idea. 0.99
02:23:31.000 How about fucking tiger people? 0.99
02:23:34.000 You know? 1.00
02:23:35.000 How about real tiger blood?
02:23:36.000 My first question is why?
02:23:40.000 That is a reasonable first question.
02:23:43.000 Kirsten Matthews, a fellow for science and technology at Rice University Baker Institute.
02:23:48.000 I think the public is going to be concerned, and I am as well, that we're kind of just pushing forward with science without having a proper conversation about what we should or should not do.
02:23:57.000 Still, the scientists who conducted the research and some other bioethics, bioethicists, Defended the experiment.
02:24:04.000 I want to hear this.
02:24:05.000 Wait, a bioethicist?
02:24:06.000 Yeah, I want to hear the experiment.
02:24:07.000 This is one of the major problems in medicine.
02:24:09.000 Organ transplantation, said Juan Carlos Espuya Belmonte, a professor at the Gene Expression Laboratory of the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in La Jolla, California, and co-author of the cell study.
02:24:25.000 The demand for that is much higher than the supply.
02:24:28.000 I don't see this type of research being ethically problematic.
02:24:44.000 It's aimed at lofty humanitarian goals.
02:24:47.000 All right, so it's about organ transplantation.
02:24:49.000 So they're trying to make part monkey, part human organ.
02:24:53.000 So they're going to make chimps that grow organs. 0.99
02:24:57.000 It still feels like this is the first scene in a really bad movie.
02:25:01.000 This is the beginning.
02:25:02.000 We were just trying to make organs.
02:25:02.000 This is 28 Days Later.
02:25:04.000 This is how it goes.
02:25:05.000 Everything's going to be fine.
02:25:06.000 We were just trying to help.
02:25:09.000 Can't they do that, though, already?
02:25:11.000 They've figured out how to make some organs with stem cells.
02:25:15.000 I know they took this woman's skin and they developed stem cells and grew her a new bladder. 1.00
02:25:22.000 She had bladder cancer, and they built her a new bladder and put it inside of her, which is pretty fucking amazing. 0.94
02:25:28.000 That's pretty incredible. 0.56
02:25:29.000 I know the stuff they've done with prosthetics has gotten way better over the years, too.
02:25:33.000 I think that's one of the only silver linings of the wars. 1.00
02:25:36.000 They got way better at that shit. 0.99
02:25:38.000 We were talking about social media, and we were talking about this weird place where we're at now where people are just calling people racist and sexist and homophobic and whatever, and these low-status people that are locking on to this woke ideology and using it as a weapon. 1.00
02:25:53.000 That's what you see when you see these Antifa kids in the street screaming at people at the taqueria to get the fuck out of New York. 1.00
02:26:00.000 Did you see that shit? 1.00
02:26:01.000 Who are these people? 1.00
02:26:02.000 These are failures.
02:26:03.000 Or young people. 0.62
02:26:05.000 Yeah, but if we're... 0.82
02:26:06.000 And let's be completely fair to him because it's so easy to just react against that because it's so disgusting and despicable.
02:26:13.000 You're watching a tantrum that a 20-year-old is having in a way.
02:26:20.000 And it's reprehensible to see that.
02:26:22.000 And they're taking advantage of a moment.
02:26:23.000 Yes. 1.00
02:26:24.000 Yeah, every inch of it is just like, you know, you're like, who the fuck do you think you are? 1.00
02:26:28.000 Get the fuck off this table. 1.00
02:26:30.000 There are people eating here with their money, hard-earned money that they're spending. 1.00
02:26:33.000 This is a business.
02:26:34.000 But you do realize to some degree it's like, man, how much has, to speak like a leftist in a sense, how much has our system failed these kids?
02:26:44.000 That they find themselves in this position.
02:26:47.000 Well, I think they have power that they're abusing.
02:26:51.000 I agree, but I'm just saying that it's like, look, man, these are kids who came up in a culture where...
02:26:59.000 There was not a strong culture of families and values where they were kind of – many of them were drugged from – put on any of these psychometric drugs, psychotropic, I should say, drugs from a young age.
02:27:15.000 They've been propagandized in their university system, in their universities that they went to and probably spent themselves $100,000 into debt.
02:27:22.000 They are in no position to get a job.
02:27:24.000 They have no – they probably live in their mom's basement and work at Starbucks and have $100,000 in debt.
02:27:29.000 How are you going to own a house?
02:27:31.000 How's it going for $600,000?
02:27:33.000 They have no prospects of getting married and taking care of a family or anything like this.
02:27:38.000 So they want to burn it all down. 1.00
02:27:39.000 And they're fucking pissed and dumb and just, you know? 1.00
02:27:42.000 And it's like, man, we... 1.00
02:27:44.000 In some ways, in some collective sense, all of us have failed these kids.
02:27:49.000 And they are taking advantage of this weird moment in time where people are recognizing that police brutality, which has existed forever, has these horrific effects on our culture. 0.98
02:27:59.000 And then even though the fucking verdict was correct, right? 1.00
02:28:02.000 Even though this guy gets convicted of all charges and everybody's kind of relieved that justice is served, they're still like, fuck you white people, get the fuck out of New York. 1.00
02:28:11.000 Because they were ready. 0.99
02:28:13.000 So they were all geared up for rioting and when the right verdict came down, they just took advantage of this weird vulnerability these people have because there's this strange moment and they have a megaphone and they're abusing power.
02:28:27.000 The power that was bestowed upon them by the moment in time.
02:28:29.000 And then they jump on the other cop Which is an example of a clear, justified shooting.
02:28:35.000 Right. 0.99
02:28:35.000 Like, oh, and now there's another cop who killed a black girl. 0.99
02:28:38.000 Well, actually, he saved a black girl's life. 0.97
02:28:40.000 They didn't know that, though.
02:28:41.000 See, the problem was, the way that message got out, they didn't, it wasn't, they should have released that body cam footage instantly.
02:28:48.000 Yeah.
02:28:48.000 The body cam footage, that girl has a giant knife, and she's trying to cut that other black girl.
02:28:51.000 And she's aiming it at her, like, head and neck area. 0.91
02:28:54.000 I mean, it's like, this was, you know, this was the one time where it is appropriate for a cop.
02:28:58.000 To shoot someone is when they're actually in the act of a violent crime where someone else's life is in danger.
02:29:04.000 And the girl's, like, right there. 0.98
02:29:05.000 I mean, it's, like, it's seconds away from her cutting her face off.
02:29:08.000 But the problem, and, like, you know, I certainly understand where, certainly from... 0.57
02:29:16.000 I think?
02:29:34.000 A white guy, he's got a black guy on the ground, handcuffed, and he's got his knee on his neck, and he keeps it there.
02:29:39.000 I don't know if there's people arguing with me, all this stuff. 0.52
02:29:41.000 No, the knee isn't on the neck, it's down a little bit.
02:29:44.000 So what, on the back of his lungs?
02:29:46.000 Okay, the guy died after this happened.
02:29:49.000 He's sitting there.
02:29:50.000 The guy was probably dead before he was off him.
02:29:52.000 He's certainly unconscious before he gets off of him.
02:29:56.000 Anybody that doesn't think that that is hard, let me do that to you.
02:29:59.000 Oh yeah, really?
02:30:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
02:30:01.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00
02:30:02.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00
02:30:03.000 That hurts on a mat. 1.00
02:30:04.000 Like when a guy does that to you on a mat in jujitsu, that's like an asshole move. 1.00
02:30:08.000 Like if a guy gets on top of you and rides your neck like that, that's like a guy who's doing a dick move. 0.99
02:30:13.000 Yeah, and people are screaming at the guy. 0.95
02:30:15.000 The guy's screaming, I can't breathe.
02:30:17.000 People are screaming, you're killing him.
02:30:18.000 And he does this.
02:30:19.000 I mean, like, I'm sorry.
02:30:20.000 I understand where...
02:30:21.000 And I understand where from a black person's point of view, they'd be like, yeah, there it is. 1.00
02:30:26.000 Another fucking example. 1.00
02:30:27.000 But the problem is that... 1.00
02:30:30.000 We get so obsessed with the racial aspect of it that no one's actually focusing on the policy aspect of it.
02:30:36.000 Like we were saying before, what policy could you actually change that will make less of these happen? 0.75
02:30:42.000 But if you really wanted to fuck over the movement for police accountability, here's what you'd do. 0.97
02:30:48.000 When you actually get justice for that guy, start fucking jumping on tables and screaming at regular people who had nothing to do with it. 1.00
02:30:55.000 That'll make you look like an asshole. 1.00
02:30:57.000 Well, like what they did when the riots were going on in New York, when they were looting fucking Saks Fifth Avenue and smashing windows and all that stuff. 1.00
02:31:04.000 That had nothing to do with any of it. 0.97
02:31:05.000 You were just taking advantage.
02:31:07.000 And if you just want to convince every right-winger in the country to jump right back on the police side, go have a riot.
02:31:13.000 And they're going to be right back on the like, well, I'd rather have the police than have the rioters.
02:31:16.000 And they have a point. 0.99
02:31:17.000 Or they're going to move out of New York and move to Florida where they don't tolerate that shit and they actually pass anti-riot legislation. 0.99
02:31:24.000 There you go. 0.99
02:31:24.000 What I was getting at before was that what I'm worried, not worried about, but what I'm thinking about is going to happen. 0.99
02:31:31.000 Because communication through Twitter and this virtue signaling that you see and all this weird division.
02:31:40.000 One of the things that's going on is this is a very limited way of interacting.
02:31:44.000 It's very limited.
02:31:45.000 It's through text.
02:31:46.000 It's a limited amount of text.
02:31:48.000 It's hard to get context and to understand, you know, what a person is really thinking and feeling.
02:31:53.000 What I'm thinking is that we are at an adolescent stage of this kind of technology and the way it's going to interface with our lives.
02:32:04.000 And that, like a lot of these things that are being proposed, like Elon Musk's Neuralink, Elon Musk told me, he said, you're going to be able to talk without using words.
02:32:14.000 That was his words.
02:32:17.000 That's pretty hard to conceive of.
02:32:19.000 It's not, though.
02:32:21.000 Well, no, I just mean it's the way that would change the fundamental human experience.
02:32:26.000 I think it's going to change because you're going to understand intent.
02:32:30.000 I think we're going to get to a point where we can get past the limitations of text-based language, like text being written out in a way where you can interpret it any way you want.
02:32:40.000 There's one of the things that happens on Twitter where someone will say something and then people will ask them to defend what they said by interpreting what they said in a wildly disproportionate way.
02:32:51.000 Like, they'll say, what you are doing is disregarding, you know, people of color who do this, or women, or gays, or trans, or you're putting, you know, non-binary people at risk, and like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
02:33:03.000 We're talking about tacos!
02:33:05.000 You know, it could be anything.
02:33:06.000 I saw this one, I can't even remember exactly what was said, but what the guy said was completely non-offensive.
02:33:13.000 But he said, like, you people at some point or something like that.
02:33:16.000 Or he said, these people.
02:33:18.000 And then when he clarified what he was talking about, couldn't be offensive at all.
02:33:21.000 But you just saw this thing where he goes, these people.
02:33:23.000 And then all these tweets start popping up.
02:33:24.000 And he's like, who's these people?
02:33:25.000 Please elaborate on these people.
02:33:27.000 And then he went, oh, I mean this.
02:33:27.000 And then it just kind of died down.
02:33:28.000 But for that little moment, he said you could see people getting excited at the prospect of being offended.
02:33:36.000 It's a game, man.
02:33:36.000 It's such a game.
02:33:37.000 It's a game.
02:33:38.000 They think check.
02:33:40.000 Yeah.
02:33:41.000 Check.
02:33:41.000 Like, ooh, I got something to do today.
02:33:42.000 Ooh, I'm going to join this virtual lynch mob today.
02:33:45.000 Ooh, this will be funny. 0.94
02:33:46.000 You're like, dude, this is sick. 0.70
02:33:47.000 It's sick.
02:33:48.000 But I do think you're right.
02:33:49.000 I think that in the grand scheme of things, we're still in the infancy of this kind of technological revolution.
02:33:55.000 And I don't believe that anything is predetermined.
02:33:59.000 So I think that it could go in a really bad way that's bad for humanity, or it could go in a really beautiful way that's better than anything we could imagine.
02:34:07.000 And like I was saying with the COVID passport things, There are people who want to turn us into a state, you know, straight-up fascist authoritarian Chinese social credit model. 0.88
02:34:16.000 And then there are other people who want to do really beautiful shit and, you know, use the technology to fucking educate more people and spread good ideas and all of this other stuff.
02:34:24.000 When you're talking about the stuff you're talking about there that Elon Musk is talking about, it's really, really hard to possibly predict where all of that could go. 0.93
02:34:34.000 I'll tell you where it goes.
02:34:35.000 We become a different thing.
02:34:37.000 Well, yeah, that's not a bad guess.
02:34:40.000 I don't think that biological human beings, in the sense of the way we are now, I don't think we're long for this world.
02:34:46.000 I really don't.
02:34:47.000 I think we got a couple hundred years at most, and I think a couple hundred years from now, there'll be people in caves, hanging out, holding out, still cooking meat over fire, longing for the old days.
02:34:58.000 They're the off-the-grid people. 0.99
02:34:59.000 While these other people are reading each other's minds and tracking them on a fucking graph. 0.98
02:35:04.000 We're going to know too much. 0.99
02:35:07.000 We're not going to be biological entities anymore.
02:35:09.000 We're going to be symbiotic.
02:35:11.000 We're going to be connected to computers.
02:35:12.000 And we're going to have to do that to avoid the horrors of artificial intelligence taking over.
02:35:17.000 We're going to have to become them. 0.94
02:35:19.000 I think that's the only way we get out of this.
02:35:21.000 There's a race going on, right?
02:35:23.000 For sure, when you look at...
02:35:27.000 Like in the 1960s and 1970s, there was a talk of computers beating people at chess.
02:35:34.000 That was always the thing.
02:35:35.000 It was like, when a computer can beat a chess master, then talk to me.
02:35:40.000 Now, no chess master can beat a computer.
02:35:42.000 Do you know that?
02:35:43.000 None of them win. 1.00
02:35:44.000 They all get their asses kicked. 0.99
02:35:46.000 And then computers started winning at Go. 0.99
02:35:48.000 And Go, that kind of freaked them out because computers started being creative.
02:35:52.000 Go apparently, I don't understand it.
02:35:53.000 I don't know anything about it.
02:35:54.000 But it's apparently far more complex than chess even.
02:35:56.000 And it has many more moves than chess. 0.99
02:35:58.000 And computers kick their ass at that too now. 0.99
02:36:01.000 And they started inventing moves. 0.99
02:36:02.000 And one of the ways they did it is by going through literally thousands and thousands of games and then postulating and figuring it out and calculating and putting all this data together and then figuring out how to kick everybody's ass. 0.99
02:36:15.000 Well, that's just the beginning. 0.97
02:36:18.000 Once they start being creative, there's also artificial intelligence.
02:36:21.000 We played this thing the other day with Brian Greene.
02:36:25.000 Was it Brian Greene that we played the music or was that Eric Weinstein?
02:36:32.000 Artificial Intelligence.
02:36:33.000 I think it was Weinstein.
02:36:35.000 Oh, there's an update?
02:36:36.000 Yeah.
02:36:37.000 I got an email from someone who, I mean, I have to look into this more, but he said that he played that for his dad, I think, who's in a Jimi Hendrix cover band.
02:36:45.000 He's like, I got some rough news for you.
02:36:46.000 That was me.
02:36:48.000 So they might have...
02:36:50.000 His dad said that?
02:36:51.000 He said he got hired to record some stuff and he didn't know what he was recording it for. 1.00
02:36:54.000 Is that just some guy's dad talking shit? 1.00
02:36:56.000 No, no, no. 1.00
02:36:56.000 That was me! 1.00
02:36:57.000 He sent me the link of a video of him playing his cover band and it sounded exactly like what we heard on the recording.
02:37:02.000 They might have used that recording of his voice to make a computer-generated song.
02:37:07.000 They still might have done that.
02:37:09.000 But that wasn't just like the computer took this Jimi Hendrix thing and made this out of it.
02:37:14.000 That's not what we were hearing.
02:37:15.000 What about the Amy Weinstein song?
02:37:18.000 So after now knowing one was a little, the rest of it might be a little.
02:37:22.000 Yeah, but that's just one guy's dad saying that.
02:37:24.000 I know, so that's just one of the four we heard.
02:37:25.000 I just want to say, though, that is a little eh.
02:37:28.000 It wasn't as cool as what we heard.
02:37:30.000 Yeah, we thought we heard something cool.
02:37:31.000 The idea was that artificial intelligence had created a virtual Nirvana song, a virtual Amy Winehouse song, and did I say Weinstein?
02:37:41.000 Winehouse.
02:37:41.000 I said Weinstein, though, I think.
02:37:43.000 Amy Winehouse song and a virtual Hendrix song. 0.97
02:37:46.000 And the Hendrix song was pretty fucking good.
02:37:47.000 So when you say created a virtual song, meaning not did one of their actual songs, but created something that they would make with their tendencies of how to play music?
02:37:57.000 Yes, exactly.
02:37:57.000 That is pretty cool.
02:37:58.000 Also, read an article. 0.99
02:37:59.000 It said, like, what we heard was picked out of a bunch of shit that sounded bad. 0.99
02:38:05.000 So it didn't just spit out something awesome right away. 1.00
02:38:09.000 It was a bunch of garbage. 0.92
02:38:10.000 Yeah, but that's true for good bands also. 0.98
02:38:12.000 You've got to go through that same process.
02:38:14.000 Go back to the Rolling Stones catalog.
02:38:15.000 Yeah, right.
02:38:16.000 There's a lot of garbage before you get to those gems. 0.98
02:38:18.000 Rolling Stones has some duds. 0.77
02:38:19.000 I think also, but if you go back and look at the early days of computers playing people chess, the chess masters would win.
02:38:28.000 I think this is just an evolution of the ability of these things.
02:38:36.000 The idea was, we were saying, can a computer, can artificial intelligence create?
02:38:43.000 Can it actually be involved in the kind of creativity that we appreciate?
02:38:47.000 Like, can they write jokes?
02:38:49.000 Can they write a screenplay?
02:38:49.000 Because if they can, then that changes everything.
02:38:52.000 Changes everything. 0.74
02:38:52.000 Like, if they can write jokes, if they could write philosophy, then you're like, oh shit, there could be a computer program someday that figures out the meaning of life or something in a better way than we could ever figure it out. 0.74
02:39:04.000 Well, here's the thing. 0.73
02:39:05.000 Now, in particular, if you think about how many—like, there's a program that someone created, and they used my voice because there's so many hours of my voice.
02:39:16.000 And they show that they can have me say anything, things I've never said before.
02:39:22.000 That's a great excuse for whenever they find something problematic that you've said.
02:39:26.000 That's robot Joe Rogan. 1.00
02:39:28.000 Robot Joe Rogan, that asshole. 1.00
02:39:31.000 But they can do that now. 1.00
02:39:32.000 They can essentially have you say anything.
02:39:34.000 And it's pretty crazy.
02:39:35.000 And I listened to it.
02:39:37.000 I was like, boy...
02:39:38.000 This is going to be a problem.
02:39:39.000 And I'm sure you've seen that Tom Cruise video, which is insane.
02:39:42.000 The Tom Cruise face swap thing.
02:39:45.000 What do they call it?
02:39:45.000 What's the name of the technology?
02:39:46.000 I don't remember, but it was impressive.
02:39:49.000 Amazingly impressive.
02:39:50.000 Amazingly impressive.
02:39:51.000 So you can do that with Tom Cruise's face.
02:39:53.000 You could use Tom Cruise's voice, because obviously there's hours and hours of Tom Cruise's voice.
02:39:59.000 And then you wonder what kind of secret classified technology they have.
02:40:04.000 How many levels ahead of us is the Pentagon ahead of us?
02:40:07.000 Right.
02:40:07.000 Or it's like some deep state program to the point where you go like, could Joe Biden be dead?
02:40:13.000 And they're just like, well, Joe Biden's still going to come give a speech today and we're going to have it on video.
02:40:18.000 You know what I mean?
02:40:18.000 I thought that about Jack Ma.
02:40:19.000 Pure speculator.
02:40:20.000 It's pure speculation, of course.
02:40:21.000 That Jack Ma guy when they say, oh, he emerged in a Zoom call.
02:40:24.000 I'm like, did he?
02:40:24.000 Right.
02:40:25.000 Right.
02:40:26.000 Yeah.
02:40:26.000 Did he really?
02:40:27.000 Did you shake his hand?
02:40:29.000 Go meet him.
02:40:29.000 He might be a robot.
02:40:30.000 But my thought was, what I was saying was like, If they can do that with just the hours and hours of conversations that I've had on podcasts, right?
02:40:38.000 And then they can do that with Tom Cruise's face with all the images they have and all the hours they have of him talking.
02:40:43.000 If they can just analyze the hundreds of years of human conversations, the words that people have written down, the conversations that people have that have been recorded, and get a sense of what it means to be a person.
02:40:58.000 Get a real nuanced sense in a way that a human being could never do because they can literally store and calculate through terabytes and terabytes of data.
02:41:07.000 They can put together an idea of what it means to be an actualized, intelligent, enlightened human being and literally create some artificial leader, like some person, some artificial virtual person That is better than anybody that exists because they have all the knowledge and they can find all the logical fallacies.
02:41:31.000 What is it like after all of that they just come back with Biden?
02:41:33.000 They're like, yep, this is it.
02:41:35.000 Turns out this is the best we can do, guys.
02:41:37.000 I'm sorry. 0.94
02:41:37.000 He said fag the other day accidentally. 0.94
02:41:40.000 Oh, did he? 0.99
02:41:40.000 Yeah, he said... 0.99
02:41:41.000 Oh, I missed that.
02:41:42.000 Was it just like a spur thing? 0.99
02:41:44.000 No, he meant to say flag, and he said fag. 0.99
02:41:47.000 All right. 0.99
02:41:48.000 So it wasn't like a Freudian slip type thing.
02:41:50.000 No, maybe it was.
02:41:51.000 But it wasn't bad.
02:41:54.000 Dude, he does these things that he does that there's nothing...
02:41:57.000 You can make fun of a lot of different presidents, but Joe Biden does this thing that I've never seen another president do, where he gets tripped up and then gives up mid-thought.
02:42:07.000 You know what I mean?
02:42:07.000 You know the thing!
02:42:10.000 Anyway.
02:42:11.000 I shouldn't even.
02:42:13.000 Well, that's what grandpas do. 0.59
02:42:15.000 But a grandpa who's really pretending to keep it together.
02:42:18.000 Have you ever seen, there's a video of Clarence Thomas talking about Joe Biden back when Clarence Thomas was being interviewed when he was getting on the Supreme Court.
02:42:31.000 Yes.
02:42:32.000 And Joe Biden is talking to him about natural law And he's like, me and you are lawyers, so we know this.
02:42:39.000 A lot of other people know this. 1.00
02:42:40.000 And Clarence Thomas is like, this dude was speaking out of his ass. 0.99
02:42:44.000 This meant nothing. 0.99
02:42:45.000 None of what he was saying means anything.
02:42:47.000 It's so crazy.
02:42:48.000 So that's what Joe Biden essentially was, right? 0.97
02:42:51.000 Is that Joe Biden was always a bullshitter. 0.95
02:42:58.000 Yes.
02:43:15.000 The flavor of the day is inclusivity and, you know.
02:43:19.000 Well, like I said, it's that Donald Trump gave the establishment one more hand to play.
02:43:25.000 Yes.
02:43:25.000 Which is, hey, wasn't everything so crazy with Trump?
02:43:29.000 And there's truth to it. 0.65
02:43:31.000 Like, everything Trump said was crazy.
02:43:32.000 Everything the media reacted was crazy. 0.96
02:43:34.000 The people was crazy.
02:43:35.000 Go, all right, all right.
02:43:36.000 So that's just unity and nice and moderate and back to the status quo and all of the adults in the room.
02:43:43.000 Yep.
02:43:43.000 The problem is that all of the...
02:43:45.000 Joe Biden really is representative of...
02:43:47.000 He's the architect of all the worst policies, like all the worst stuff.
02:43:51.000 1994 crime bill.
02:43:53.000 Yeah.
02:43:53.000 And even before 94, Joe Biden, when Ronald Reagan was ramping up the war on drugs, Joe Biden partnered with Strom Thurmond, the actual segregationist, to challenge Ronald Reagan from the right to say that he's too soft This ramp up of the war on drugs isn't enough.
02:44:15.000 And you've got to be locking more of these criminals up.
02:44:17.000 He bragged at one point that he wanted to give people life in jail for everything short of jaywalking.
02:44:23.000 That was like a line like that or something he said.
02:44:26.000 It was all the way leading up to the 94 crime bill, which he co-authored. 0.99
02:44:30.000 He was pushing fucking. 0.98
02:44:32.000 For the creation of the mass incarceration state. 0.99
02:44:35.000 Like, this is him.
02:44:36.000 And then for him to now partner up with a prosecutor from California who was throwing people in jail for pot, and for them to be like, you know, we really need to think about systemic racism. 1.00
02:44:48.000 You motherfucker! 1.00
02:44:49.000 You built this! 1.00
02:44:50.000 This is your doing!
02:44:52.000 And of course, on top of that, he was also one of the biggest champions of the war in Iraq.
02:44:56.000 And not only championed and voted for the war in Iraq, but went out and called out everybody who didn't vote for the war in Iraq as like, you're allowing another 9-11 to happen. 0.55
02:45:08.000 Because Saddam is weapons of mass destruction and all the neocon talking points of the mushroom cloud in New York City, all that stuff.
02:45:17.000 He pushed all of the worst policies that everyone was reacting against for the last decade.
02:45:25.000 But it's amazing that they couldn't find anybody better.
02:45:28.000 Like, that was the guy that seemed to be the person that they could get through the easiest. 0.89
02:45:35.000 The guy who was the guy who was rallying up a whole bunch of people, had a serious fucking plan, and had a whole lot of left-wing populist support, was deemed unacceptable. 0.90
02:45:46.000 And that was Bernie Sanders.
02:45:49.000 And there's a lot of things I don't like about Bernie Sanders, a lot of things I do like about him, but he was the guy, just undeniably.
02:45:54.000 And he was, look, big business decided, no.
02:45:59.000 They couldn't control him.
02:46:00.000 Well, he was focusing, look, like I was saying before, all that stuff where JPMorgan Chase is like, oh yeah, let's focus on diversity training and all this.
02:46:08.000 Bernie Sanders had an economic leftist populist message that was like, no, no, no, I want to focus on billionaires.
02:46:14.000 I don't think billionaires should exist.
02:46:16.000 And they were like, no, we're not letting this guy up.
02:46:20.000 And they circled the wagons and they got him.
02:46:24.000 They did it the first time and then they did it again in 2020. And so it was like, who's left?
02:46:28.000 They tried everyone.
02:46:29.000 They tried to throw everyone at the wall.
02:46:31.000 They pushed Kamala Harris. 1.00
02:46:32.000 She got a big push from the corporate press.
02:46:34.000 She got big money donating to her.
02:46:36.000 Hillary Clinton's campaign people all joined her campaign.
02:46:39.000 Yeah, but Tulsi Gabbard sunk her. 0.99
02:46:40.000 Then Tulsi just destroyed her on stage, and it was like over.
02:46:43.000 And then they got rid of Tulsi.
02:46:45.000 Well, they did everything they could.
02:46:47.000 She was unacceptable as well.
02:46:48.000 And Tulsi was my favorite in the Democratic field.
02:46:50.000 Yeah, she's amazing. 1.00
02:46:52.000 She's great.
02:46:53.000 And just an incredible campaign to run.
02:46:57.000 I mean, look, there were mistakes made, I think, in the campaign, and I think she could have said things a little bit different at times, but the fact that you had an active-duty military member, somebody who actually served, and not just like...
02:47:10.000 No, she deployed twice. 0.93
02:47:12.000 Really deployed to a medical unit in Iraq during the height of the fighting in Iraq.
02:47:16.000 Someone who really saw the costs of war.
02:47:19.000 Coming back and saying, we cannot fight these wars anymore.
02:47:23.000 That was powerful.
02:47:25.000 And then to think, right, that Hillary Clinton, the last nominee for the party, would turn around and call her a traitor. 1.00
02:47:33.000 Right.
02:47:34.000 Call her a Russian asset. 0.95
02:47:35.000 A Russian asset.
02:47:36.000 Here's Hillary Clinton who voted for this disastrous war. 0.99
02:47:40.000 And here's this young woman who was brave enough to go there.
02:47:43.000 And she comes back and says, I want to speak out against the war. 0.97
02:47:46.000 And this blood-soaked monster, Hillary Clinton, will call her a traitor. 1.00
02:47:52.000 Who's the traitor there? 1.00
02:47:53.000 It's crazy.
02:47:54.000 You know?
02:47:54.000 It's crazy.
02:47:55.000 I mean, just unbelievable.
02:47:56.000 I mean, Hillary Clinton should be launched to the moon for that. 1.00
02:47:59.000 She should not be allowed to exist in polite society for the nerve of you. 1.00
02:48:04.000 I mean, think about it.
02:48:04.000 Just in any moral society.
02:48:06.000 Hillary Clinton, by the way, has admitted it was a mistake.
02:48:08.000 To vote for the war in Iraq.
02:48:09.000 So you vote for a war, you send some, you know, brave young woman over there to watch her brothers and sisters die, have to deal with that, like in a medical unit in Iraq, literally holding people as they breathe their last, you know, gasp their last breath, and then she comes back?
02:48:25.000 You should be dropping down to your knees and apologizing to that person.
02:48:29.000 And you call her a traitor?
02:48:31.000 I don't know.
02:48:32.000 I don't know what else to say about that.
02:48:33.000 I couldn't have said it better myself.
02:48:34.000 No, Tulsi Gabbard is the real deal, but the problem was she was too uncontrollable. 1.00
02:48:40.000 She's not going to play the games. 0.91
02:48:41.000 She wasn't going to toe the party line.
02:48:43.000 She had ideas in her head that she needed to be expressed.
02:48:48.000 And one big one was the experiences that she had overseas in war that they should never happen again to someone like her or to anyone.
02:48:56.000 Yeah, and that she... 1.00
02:48:57.000 And that she's a real threat.
02:48:58.000 I mean, she's a threat to the establishment. 1.00
02:49:00.000 Like I said, the military-industrial complex is a big honeypot.
02:49:03.000 And she's saying, we've got to roll back that honeypot.
02:49:06.000 There's a whole lot of people who make a lot of money off of that.
02:49:08.000 And they're also comfortable with people dying.
02:49:11.000 What's crazy is that this kind of conversation is so rare.
02:49:16.000 This kind of conversation where people are openly discussing the problems with the way these things are handled, the problems with the way the media displays the reality of these people that are running for governor—people that are running for government,
02:49:33.000 rather—people that are running for president and who they really are.
02:49:37.000 It never gets exposed.
02:49:38.000 Yeah.
02:49:59.000 That these are the people that you've chosen, then ignore everything negative about them, push everything positive about them, and then you have collusion with all of the media.
02:50:07.000 Well, particularly this time around, and I thought that Glenn Greenwald, when he was on your show, did a really great job of breaking this all down, but it's that there was a very conscious decision made by pretty much the entire corporate press that they were going to get Donald Trump out.
02:50:22.000 Yes.
02:50:22.000 And so we were just not going to report that On anything that hurt who the Democratic candidate was who ended up being Joe Biden.
02:50:29.000 They just weren't going to do that.
02:50:30.000 And they had social media going with them as well.
02:50:33.000 Yes, they had big tech colluding with them as well.
02:50:34.000 That's why the Hunter Biden stories were all...
02:50:36.000 And even down to The Intercept.
02:50:40.000 I mean, even imagine that.
02:50:41.000 That Glenn Greenwald's own outlet even wouldn't allow this to be done.
02:50:46.000 Crazy.
02:50:46.000 And that dude's a...
02:50:47.000 He's a gangster. 0.97
02:50:49.000 He is a gangster. 0.97
02:50:49.000 And you know what? 0.97
02:50:50.000 He's the best.
02:50:51.000 I think he's the best journalist in the world.
02:50:53.000 I mean, there's several, but he's probably the best.
02:50:55.000 He is as legit as I get.
02:50:56.000 Yeah.
02:50:57.000 He's probably the best.
02:50:58.000 I think Jeremy Scahill's incredible, too.
02:51:02.000 And Matt Taibbi's great.
02:51:03.000 Matt Taibbi's amazing.
02:51:04.000 Aaron Matei is great.
02:51:06.000 There's a lot of people out there who do really...
02:51:07.000 And by the way, all the guys I just named are left-wing guys, and I'm not a left-wing guy.
02:51:11.000 And they have to be so brave.
02:51:12.000 But they still do...
02:51:14.000 Good, real journalism.
02:51:16.000 Like, really, you know, shining a light on powerful people's corruption.
02:51:20.000 Like, that's what real journalism is supposed to be.
02:51:23.000 But look, there's the other thing that's interesting about all the woke stuff, right, is that it's almost, to me, it's like a corporate plot, a corporate takeover of a left-wing cause But at the point now, it doesn't even resemble anything left-wing, and it just gets used against the left-wing,
02:51:39.000 right?
02:51:39.000 So when you control the corporate press and you have big tech and you have all the big platforms, you get to decide what stories are ramped up and what aren't.
02:51:48.000 And who gets accused of the woke stuff?
02:51:51.000 It turns out to be every good leftist. 0.99
02:51:53.000 Bernie Sanders is a sexist. 0.87
02:51:55.000 Because of something he said to Elizabeth Warren. 0.97
02:51:57.000 Why are we even talking about this?
02:51:58.000 Well, because the entire corporate press decided.
02:52:00.000 You know, his supporters are all Bernie bros. 0.96
02:52:03.000 They're sexist. 0.94
02:52:04.000 Like, is there any evidence of this?
02:52:06.000 Well, people say things on Twitter.
02:52:08.000 It's just a narrative.
02:52:09.000 Glenn Greenwald is harassing a young woman.
02:52:12.000 Sure, the young woman happens to be a reporter for USA Today who he's criticizing for her reporting.
02:52:17.000 But harassing young women! 0.98
02:52:19.000 So everyone who's good on the left all of a sudden conveniently Gets the woke mob sent after them.
02:52:25.000 Matt Taibbi on his Substack wrote an article saying that Rachel Maddow is Bill O'Reilly.
02:52:31.000 And it's a crazy article.
02:52:32.000 And he's talking about how if you looked back at Rachel Maddow back in the day, in the early days of MSNBC, you would have never imagined her to be a propagandist.
02:52:42.000 You thought of her as this really intelligent, whip-smart, you know, gritty leftist who's out there fighting the good fight. 0.99
02:52:49.000 You could not have imagined her I think? 0.99
02:53:09.000 They didn't fall for the Trump-Russia bullshit one bit, and they hated Trump. 1.00
02:53:13.000 These are lefties. 1.00
02:53:14.000 They don't like Trump. 1.00
02:53:15.000 But they just know CIA bullshit when they see it. 0.98
02:53:18.000 And they're like, yeah, okay, the CIA is making this claim with absolutely no evidence to back it up, and all of the evidence that we've been shown completely contradicts this idea. 0.98
02:53:26.000 Now, I'm not just deciding that's real.
02:53:28.000 And yet, pretty much all of MSNBC just went, that's our narrative.
02:53:33.000 CNN went, that's our narrative.
02:53:34.000 A pretty big accusation that the sitting president of the United States is colluding with a hostile foreign power to undermine American democracy.
02:53:44.000 And some people still believe it.
02:53:47.000 And some people still believe that COVID has like a 50% death rate.
02:53:51.000 If things are repeated, people believe that.
02:53:54.000 But the truth is that Donald Trump, who, by the way, personally, I think Donald Trump should be prosecuted for war crimes and spend the rest of his life in prison.
02:54:02.000 Like, I'm not a fan.
02:54:04.000 What do you think he did that's a war crime?
02:54:06.000 Propping up the Saudi war of genocide against the people of Yemen.
02:54:10.000 And it was against the will of the Congress.
02:54:14.000 Absolutely.
02:54:15.000 Crimes against humanity. 0.98
02:54:16.000 He should rot in a prison with Barack Obama and George W. Bush and all of them. 0.99
02:54:21.000 As far as I'm concerned, they're all war criminals. 0.99
02:54:23.000 Dave Smith going hard, ladies and gentlemen. 0.67
02:54:25.000 That's my take.
02:54:27.000 But Donald Trump did not.
02:54:32.000 Conspire with the Russian government. 1.00
02:54:34.000 It's just bullshit. 1.00
02:54:35.000 He was set up by the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI. Let me ask you this, because if you're really considering one day running for president, what do you think it's like? 0.98
02:54:45.000 I don't really want to, Joe.
02:54:47.000 But you're thinking you might have to.
02:54:49.000 I might.
02:54:50.000 But you honestly feel like maybe you're called to it, right?
02:54:56.000 Well, I feel like what the country needs...
02:55:00.000 Look, I mean, here's the truth of the matter, right?
02:55:02.000 It is exceedingly unlikely that the Libertarian Party candidate for president is going to win the presidency.
02:55:10.000 I don't know about that anymore.
02:55:13.000 Well, that's what I'm betting on, Joe.
02:55:14.000 I don't know about that anymore.
02:55:16.000 I think that I voted Libertarian last election.
02:55:20.000 I think that people are really disgusted by these party politics.
02:55:26.000 They're really disgusted by They're really disgusted by the fact that nothing changes, right?
02:55:36.000 They're disgusted by the fact that they get all these promises and they have this narrative that gets pushed.
02:55:41.000 Let's talk about the border, right?
02:55:42.000 The border crisis.
02:55:43.000 The border crisis is exactly the same as it was, if not worse.
02:55:46.000 And it was always pushed that Donald Trump was putting people in cages.
02:55:49.000 Well, what does Joe Biden put him in?
02:55:52.000 Trailers?
02:55:52.000 They're stacked on top of each other?
02:55:54.000 No, detention facilities.
02:55:55.000 You've seen it, right?
02:55:56.000 Not cages.
02:55:56.000 Detention facilities.
02:55:57.000 It's the same goddamn thing. 1.00
02:55:59.000 It's crazy. 0.99
02:55:59.000 I mean, yeah, there are metal bars around them. 0.99
02:56:02.000 But it's a detention facility.
02:56:03.000 It kind of looks like a cage.
02:56:04.000 And they have wonderful blankets that are made out of tinfoil.
02:56:06.000 The whole thing is...
02:56:07.000 Yeah, it's horrible.
02:56:08.000 But nothing's changing.
02:56:10.000 Like, it's not any different.
02:56:13.000 And we need a change.
02:56:15.000 We need something that's a radical shift from where we're at now.
02:56:20.000 Look...
02:56:22.000 Ron Paul, if Ron Paul was an independent...
02:56:26.000 Let's go all the way back.
02:56:28.000 When you go back to... 0.99
02:56:30.000 What the fuck's his name? 1.00
02:56:32.000 The old billionaire guy. 1.00
02:56:34.000 Ross Perot.
02:56:34.000 Ross Perot was the closest we came.
02:56:36.000 The closest we came to an independent guy.
02:56:38.000 And that's one of the reasons why Bill Clinton became president and George H.W. Bush didn't win a second term.
02:56:43.000 It's because Ross Perot resonated with people. 0.99
02:56:45.000 When he went on, I think it was NBC, he got a half an hour of television time and had charts and graphs and shows how you're getting fucked. 0.99
02:56:52.000 And people are like, what the hell? 0.96
02:56:56.000 Someone who's a real charismatic talker, like Dave Smith, and does that on television today?
02:57:02.000 Well, he was a billionaire, which helps.
02:57:04.000 Yeah, we've got to get somebody behind you that's a billionaire.
02:57:06.000 Get one of them crazy tech guys that wants to change the world.
02:57:10.000 Well, I think what...
02:57:11.000 Look, what Ross Perot did was he also made them clamp down on the system.
02:57:15.000 Like, they really made it harder for third parties to run after Ross Perot because he scared them like this guy could actually win. 0.96
02:57:21.000 Yeah, he fucked him out of the debates.
02:57:22.000 I think, to me, I think the role of whoever runs for president on the Libertarian Party, what it's about is...
02:57:30.000 It's about not just spreading a message and introducing more people to the ideas of libertarianism and trying to convince people that this is the way to go, but I think what the Libertarian Party could really do with a presidential nominee is to set the agenda for what the Democrats and Republicans have to talk about now.
02:57:48.000 Like, you guys might want to talk about this, but guess what?
02:57:51.000 We're talking about this because we're just going to keep beating this drum and make such a compelling argument that if you're not talking about this, enough of the American people are going to realize, like, hey, how come you're not talking about this?
02:58:00.000 But the question is, even if they're talking about it, once they get into office, like you're seeing with Biden, things don't change.
02:58:06.000 There has to be, like, what you need is a huge movement of people just simply demanding we're not taking this anymore.
02:58:16.000 Because just like we said before, when they poke out about the war in Syria or regulating the internet and there's enough resistance, they don't do it.
02:58:22.000 So what you need is enough people to just be focused. 0.97
02:58:26.000 Just, again, it doesn't have to be everything perfect, but, like, five issues, like, we are not fighting another stupid war, period. 0.98
02:58:33.000 No one's going to tolerate it. 0.99
02:58:35.000 None.
02:58:35.000 We're not putting people in jail for nonviolent crimes.
02:58:38.000 Period.
02:58:39.000 We won't tolerate one more person going into a cage for a nonviolent victimless crime.
02:58:43.000 And, you know, and whatever.
02:58:45.000 And corporate bailouts and corporate welfare and, you know, all the COVID lockdowns.
02:58:50.000 Like, if you get enough people and it's just overwhelming the consensus, whoever's in there, they're going to have a real tough time.
02:58:59.000 We're just going to have to get that narrative out there in a really clear, concise way that's easily digestible. 0.97
02:59:04.000 Yes, and then I think hopefully you repeal legal tender laws and maybe Bitcoin or some cryptocurrency becomes the fucking currency. 0.97
02:59:12.000 Then the Federal Reserve loses its power. 0.97
02:59:13.000 You need this whole system to kind of crack up.
02:59:16.000 But it's going to do it on its own.
02:59:17.000 It's not going to be because one hero becomes president and then does all the right things.
02:59:22.000 I think it's got to be more of a bottom-up kind of movement.
02:59:26.000 Well, it's certainly an exciting time.
02:59:28.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98
02:59:29.000 Like more exciting, like more change, more weird shit than ever before. 0.99
02:59:33.000 Unbelievable. 0.99
02:59:34.000 Yeah.
02:59:34.000 Been unbelievable.
02:59:35.000 I thought I was, in 2019, I felt that way.
02:59:39.000 I was like, this has been an unbelievable time. 0.99
02:59:41.000 I mean, just like, you know, Trump is president and there's all this crazy shit going on. 0.99
02:59:46.000 And then after 2020, you're like, this is, it's like we're living through a movie. 0.99
02:59:49.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:59:51.000 Yeah, and I don't know how this fucking movie ends. 0.99
02:59:56.000 Really? 0.99
02:59:56.000 Really hoping for a happy ending? 0.99
02:59:58.000 Yeah.
02:59:59.000 Not like a sexual happy ending.
03:00:03.000 I mean, that'd be cool if that was there at the end, too, but just like a good happy ending for...
03:00:07.000 Well, it'd be nice if things turned around, right?
03:00:10.000 You know, you go back to World War II and you see how everything kind of turned around afterwards and the world got to be, you know, got to be a better place.
03:00:17.000 Better than during World War II. Yeah, yeah. 0.78
03:00:20.000 Demonstratably better.
03:00:22.000 Yeah.
03:00:24.000 I don't know, man.
03:00:26.000 It's a strange time.
03:00:28.000 It's a strange time for what we do, too.
03:00:30.000 It's a really strange time for comedy.
03:00:32.000 You know, real strange.
03:00:33.000 Because people want to take comedy at face value, as if you really mean what you're saying.
03:00:38.000 Half a comedy wants to take comedy at face value.
03:00:41.000 Half of them.
03:00:42.000 They're terrible.
03:00:43.000 Yeah, I know.
03:00:43.000 No, but some of them are great.
03:00:45.000 Some of them used to be really great, and now they're terrible.
03:00:48.000 Yeah.
03:00:48.000 Some of them, you know.
03:00:49.000 They got scared.
03:00:50.000 Yeah.
03:00:50.000 That happens to people.
03:00:51.000 Sometimes people just can't keep the pressure.
03:00:53.000 Just the pace of it all.
03:00:55.000 They want to get off the treadmill.
03:00:56.000 They can't take it anymore.
03:00:58.000 And this moment, though, one of the good things, there's very few good things about COVID, but one good thing is a lot of bad comedians quit.
03:01:07.000 Oh, yeah.
03:01:08.000 Yeah, that's true.
03:01:09.000 Yeah, they couldn't take it. 0.98
03:01:10.000 But then the bad side of that is that there were probably some could have been really good comedians who also fucking quit. 0.90
03:01:18.000 I mean, if this happened to you, if this happened to you five, six years into comedy, that is really tough. 0.96
03:01:24.000 True.
03:01:24.000 That's really tough to overcome.
03:01:25.000 Or one year.
03:01:26.000 Yeah.
03:01:27.000 But even one year may be a little bit easier.
03:01:30.000 Like, if you...
03:01:32.000 Quit your day job and comedy was your full identity, but you needed to work the road in order to be able to pay your rent.
03:01:41.000 And all of a sudden that's gone, and then you've got to go back to some type of job or something like that.
03:01:46.000 That's enough to break a lot of people from never coming back in.
03:01:49.000 But for that one person, there's probably like 5,000 who just never should have been doing comedy anyway.
03:01:54.000 There's a lot that should have never been doing comedy anyway.
03:01:56.000 Yeah.
03:01:57.000 But it's like, you know, there's going to be puzzles and problems, and you've got to figure out how to solve those.
03:02:02.000 And when you look at your life, one of the more exciting things about life is when you don't know what's going to happen next, and you're really in this complete state of...
03:02:13.000 Possibilities.
03:02:14.000 You're at the launching pad, and it's frustrating, and it's scary, and it's really nerve-wracking for comics when you're first starting out.
03:02:23.000 That's 100% true.
03:02:25.000 But there's also...
03:02:26.000 There's different points where you're more vulnerable than other points, and to face a huge amount of adversity at your most vulnerable point is, I think, a lot worse than when you're a little bit stronger and ready to deal with it.
03:02:41.000 And I am...
03:02:43.000 Yeah.
03:03:08.000 I've also, I'm married and I have a kid, so I'm kind of like, it was easier than like in my 20s where I would have been more isolated and cut off.
03:03:15.000 And so I'm lucky in a sense that for me personally, it was very easy for me to weather, personally, you know, the storm of like, oh, okay, the lockdown and stuff like this.
03:03:24.000 You also have a podcast and you have other sources of income.
03:03:26.000 Well, that's the big one, that I could uninterruptedly keep making money.
03:03:30.000 But I mean, can you imagine like, you know, imagine like somebody who's just like has three kids And just loses your job over this.
03:03:39.000 I mean, I don't know what it's like to be in that situation.
03:03:41.000 And a whole lot of Americans were.
03:03:43.000 And, you know, you're absolutely right.
03:03:46.000 We say overcoming adversity is a big part of, like, the human experience and all this.
03:03:50.000 But that's a really tough one.
03:03:51.000 It's a tough one.
03:03:52.000 It's a tough one.
03:03:53.000 It's a big challenge.
03:03:54.000 But somewhere on the other end, some people are going to get through that.
03:03:59.000 They're going to talk about that's what made them.
03:04:01.000 Yeah.
03:04:01.000 No, you're absolutely right.
03:04:24.000 But in terms of which narrative is more helpful and useful, there's no question that this one is just death and this one can really help you get through something.
03:04:34.000 So no matter what, even if there's truth in both, it is always better to have the outlook that you're going to conquer this thing and no matter what's thrown at you, you're going to get past this.
03:04:45.000 And to have the outlook of, like, I'm a victim.
03:04:47.000 It's hard to cultivate that attitude, though.
03:04:49.000 It's not something you can just do in a vacuum.
03:04:51.000 You have to learn how to do it.
03:04:52.000 You have to learn the tools to do it.
03:04:54.000 You have to force yourself to do it.
03:04:55.000 It's very hard work.
03:04:57.000 I remember I had a real problem with that for a while when I was, like, younger in comedy.
03:05:04.000 I've been doing comedy for seven, eight years or something, and I get very jealous of other people who were getting things that I wasn't getting, and I really drive myself crazy thinking about this. 0.91
03:05:13.000 And then I remember having a moment where a really good friend of mine got a big thing, and I was like, damn it, he got that!
03:05:19.000 And I almost caught myself and was like, Oh man, I do not want to be this person.
03:05:24.000 I'm like the person now who's like not happy for someone I love for getting something good.
03:05:29.000 And I really, I had to make such a conscious effort and it was really, really hard for me to just be like, I am simply not allowing myself to do that.
03:05:37.000 I am just going to be happy and inspired by other people who are getting things, and I'm going to put all of that energy into trying to get what I want out of this career.
03:05:45.000 It's such an important thing to talk about because every single comic feels that.
03:05:50.000 They all feel that because it's such a competitive thing in that you're trying to get ahead.
03:05:55.000 Especially if you're trying to get on television and do other things outside of comedy and get chosen for things, or get chosen for specials, things along those lines.
03:06:05.000 It's really common.
03:06:06.000 I experienced it really early on, and I caught myself one time because I was only like 21 or 22. I'd only been doing comedy a couple years, but I remember wanting people who went on before me to bomb.
03:06:20.000 And I remember feeling that, like, oh my god, what a bitch I am. 1.00
03:06:23.000 I'm scared that they're going to do well. 0.98
03:06:24.000 And it was really, I wasn't very good.
03:06:26.000 It was terrible.
03:06:27.000 I was just starting out, so my comedy was very shaky.
03:06:31.000 So I wanted someone to do badly so I could come in and look like I was good. 0.99
03:06:37.000 And then I realized that while I was in the back of the comedy club waiting to go on, I'm like, oh my god, you bitch. 1.00
03:06:43.000 And I remember being hugely disappointed with myself and then never letting myself think like that again. 0.99
03:06:48.000 I remember thinking, you can never think like that again.
03:06:51.000 It's really unfortunate that that feeling... 0.99
03:06:54.000 I mean, not unfortunate, but that feeling of being like, oh man, I'm being such a bitch right now. 0.83
03:06:59.000 Which is literally the same exact feeling I had where I'm like, oh, I'm that guy? 0.97
03:07:02.000 I'm disgusted with myself.
03:07:03.000 Yeah.
03:07:04.000 I'm upset that someone I love got something great.
03:07:08.000 That's who I am. 0.99
03:07:09.000 And that kind of shame and that fucking disappointment in yourself is really necessary to improve yourself. 0.99
03:07:19.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
03:07:19.000 And it sucks. 1.00
03:07:20.000 It's like you gotta feel this burn in order to build out of it. 0.98
03:07:26.000 But that is the most important thing.
03:07:27.000 Again, it's like why bombing is really important for comedians.
03:07:31.000 It's why losing things in life is really important for you. 0.96
03:07:33.000 You have to feel this sting and it sucks.
03:07:37.000 But that's what allows you to be a better person.
03:07:40.000 That's where the growth comes from.
03:07:41.000 The growth comes from failure.
03:07:43.000 And if you don't take any risks, you don't fail and you never grow.
03:07:46.000 And that's just how life goes.
03:07:49.000 It's not an obvious formula.
03:07:54.000 It seems counterintuitive, like you don't want to feel the pain of it, but you have to.
03:07:58.000 You have to.
03:07:59.000 I remember the early days of the comedy store, some guys started getting TV shows and things, and you could see the anger and the jealousy of the other people.
03:08:08.000 They literally would hate them.
03:08:09.000 They would hate people who were doing well.
03:08:12.000 And some of them, a lot of them wound up...
03:08:14.000 There's always like...
03:08:17.000 Potential, but potential is like, what does it mean?
03:08:20.000 You can get a laugh every now and then.
03:08:22.000 The people that can actually formulate and act and figure out how to become a real comic, it's like, what is the percentage?
03:08:31.000 If you think about the people that you started out with, what are the percentages of them that actually wound up being professionals?
03:08:37.000 It's really small.
03:08:38.000 It's small, but I will say it was pretty obvious even back then.
03:08:43.000 Particularly in hindsight.
03:08:45.000 There was just no question.
03:08:46.000 I started with or around the same time as a lot of guys, and none of these guys were as good as they are now.
03:08:55.000 You know what I mean?
03:08:56.000 But you could tell right away that, like, Andrew Schultz was gonna be something.
03:09:01.000 Right.
03:09:01.000 Like, you just knew, like, this guy's got a thing.
03:09:03.000 I could tell Mark Norman was gonna be, like, a fuck... 1.00
03:09:06.000 Like, this guy's gonna be great. 1.00
03:09:08.000 Right.
03:09:08.000 I was at Tim Dillon, who started later than me, but, I mean, literally as soon as we saw him...
03:09:12.000 And he was brand new when I first met him, so he was still, like, green in comedy, but you were like, oh, this guy's gonna be a star.
03:09:18.000 Like, he's just...
03:09:19.000 This guy's a force of nature.
03:09:21.000 Like, there's just no...
03:09:21.000 And so it's weird...
03:09:23.000 In hindsight, you're like, oh yeah, for every one of those, there were like a thousand ones who failed.
03:09:28.000 By the way, Tim Dillon almost completely demonetized on YouTube.
03:09:32.000 So what I meant to say is, Tim Dillon's clearly going to fail, is what I was trying to say all along.
03:09:37.000 I go, this guy is going to have a rise and fall.
03:09:39.000 So if you love Tim Dillon and I do, support his Patreon.
03:09:42.000 They won't let him make any money on YouTube.
03:09:44.000 It's hilarious.
03:09:45.000 It's too controversial.
03:09:46.000 But that's the next thing that people like that are going to have to deal with.
03:09:49.000 I'm going to face that, I'm sure, in the next few years at some point.
03:09:53.000 Well, it was one of the things that spurred my decision to go to Spotify.
03:09:57.000 It's a weird world out there, man. 0.98
03:10:02.000 It's a fucking outrageous thing to say. 0.98
03:10:05.000 But I think the world needs comedy. 0.99
03:10:06.000 I think we do.
03:10:08.000 I think it's important for mental health.
03:10:09.000 I think it's important for clarity. 1.00
03:10:10.000 I think it's important to make fun of shit. 0.99
03:10:13.000 Well, that's why I got to say I love what Louis J. Gomez did with building the Gas Digital Network. 0.98
03:10:18.000 And that's where all my stuff is at.
03:10:20.000 All my podcasts are there.
03:10:21.000 My special, they put it out.
03:10:23.000 I just keep it all there because at the very least, I'm not going to get kicked out of Gas Digital Network for saying the wrong thing.
03:10:30.000 Unless I pissed Lewis off.
03:10:32.000 There's no wrong thing over there. 1.00
03:10:35.000 Listen, Dave, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00
03:10:37.000 I appreciate you very much. 1.00
03:10:38.000 I always love listening to you and I always love talking to you.
03:10:42.000 I enjoy your podcast.
03:10:44.000 I just think you're a very clear thinker, man.
03:10:47.000 And, uh, you, you really, you give me hope.
03:10:51.000 You really do. 0.90
03:10:51.000 Well, dude, that means the fucking world to me, man. 0.90
03:10:53.000 Cause I've, I've been a huge fan of yours like forever, dude. 0.90
03:10:56.000 And like, I've, I've told you this before off podcast, but you're like, not just your whole podcast, but talking monkeys in space literally like had a profound impact on my standup career.
03:11:07.000 Like I was, I had just started when that special came out and I remember looking at it and being like, wow, so you can really do Anything.
03:11:15.000 Like, with stand-up.
03:11:16.000 Like, I wanted to talk about all of these more kind of deep ideas and have these longer, like, bits.
03:11:21.000 But I was like, I can't really do that.
03:11:22.000 You gotta just, like, tell jokes in stand-up.
03:11:24.000 And then I saw you have, like, all these, like, long, like, chunks about, like, ancient Egypt and all these different things.
03:11:30.000 And they were still hilarious the whole way through.
03:11:32.000 And I was like, oh, you can just do that.
03:11:34.000 And, like, your career really inspired me, man.
03:11:37.000 Like, the fact that you're just, like...
03:11:39.000 Like, imagine if you had told someone on paper in the 90s.
03:11:42.000 What you were going to do.
03:11:43.000 You had some agent and they were like, so you're going to act or you're going to write?
03:11:46.000 And you'd have been like, I'm going to kind of be like an MMA commentator, stand-up comedian who does a TV show but I'm the network and I'll talk to like a physicist and then we'll talk about politics and then we'll talk about hunting and then we'll talk about this and they'd be like...
03:12:03.000 Yeah, well, that can't be done.
03:12:05.000 And you're just like, yeah, no, it can.
03:12:07.000 And you're doing it.
03:12:08.000 And so that means the world to me.
03:12:10.000 You're an inspiration, man.
03:12:11.000 Thanks, brother.
03:12:12.000 Thank you very much.
03:12:13.000 And thank you all out there. 1.00
03:12:15.000 Keep the faith, fuckers. 1.00
03:12:17.000 Bye, everybody. 1.00