In this episode of the Joe Rogan Show, the guys are joined by author of The Biology of Belief, Bruce Lipton, to talk about his new book, "The Biology Of Belief: How To Live a Longer Life" and much, Much More! The show is sponsored by Onnit, the makers of Alpha Brain, a cognitive enhancing supplement, and New Mood, a 5-HTP supplement that actually boosts your mood. Onnit is also the maker of Shroom Tech, a cordyceps mushroom endurance supplement which is wicked if you work out hard, but if you don t work out really hard, don t bother with this. If you want to buy our stuff, go to JoeRogan.net and enter the code ROGAN on the link below to get 10% off. Thanks to Onnit for sponsoring the show and for helping us raise awareness about the show. We hope you like it, and if you do, share it with a friend or become a supporter of the show on your social media accounts. . Cheers, Joe and the rest of the crew at Joe Rogans Show. XOXO, Brian and the Rogans Crew. -Jon Sorrentino Jon and Brian - The Rogans Podcast Timestamps: 1:00:00 - How long does it take to live a longer life? 6:30 - What's the difference between a turtle and a turtle? 7: How long should you live to be 100 years old? 8:15 - What are you going to live longer? 9:20 - What is a turtle's heartbeats? 11:00 12:00- How does a turtle live longer in cold weather? 14:30 15:30- How long do you live longer than a turtle have a good day? 16:40 - What do you need a good heart beat? 17:40- How do you feel like you're going to be in denial? 18:20- How much longer than you should be alive? 19:15:15- What's a turtle s heartbeat? 22:00 Is it slow? 21:00 Do you like cold weather in the winter? 23:00 Does it matter? 26:00 What's your heart beat rate? 25:00 Are you happy being sedentary? 27:00 Should you need to be more active?
00:00:48.000We're also sponsored by Onnit, O-N-N-I-T dot com, the makers of Alpha Brain, a cognitive enhancing supplement, and New Mood, a 5-HTP supplement that actually boosts your mood.
00:01:00.000You know, it's a funny thing about this New Mood stuff, but people who are on antidepressants, their doctors are telling them not to take 5-HTP. Because they say it's like taking two antidepressants, which is really fascinating to me, because that means that this natural vitamin is actually an antidepressant.
00:02:13.000You know, I heard something, I don't know if this is true, but that every animal, essentially, from the moment it's born to the moment it dies of old age, has the same amount of heartbeats.
00:04:57.000Consciousness actually does control life, and it's very simple to understand it.
00:05:00.000And what you really start to find out is that our consciousness either enhances us, like a placebo effect, Or the same consciousness can take away your strength and kill you, which is called a nocebo effect.
00:05:14.000So it's the power of your thinking, and the thinking is, who are we?
00:05:18.000And we've been programmed to believe that we're frail and vulnerable, you know, like all kinds of things are out there to get us, and we have to protect ourselves and all that.
00:05:27.000And it's like, this is totally insane because we're so powerful that we even don't believe it.
00:05:32.000It's just amazing things like, okay, you can say something simple like walking across hot coals, okay?
00:05:38.000It's like you can walk across hot coals if you believe you can do it, but you can't do it if you don't believe you can't walk across the coals, and so belief comes into it.
00:05:46.000Or, Joe, I mean, you're a big health guy and all this stuff, so I asked you, if you go out here in the parking lot, can you lift up a car?
00:05:53.000I mean, you got a lot of training and stuff like that, but you think you could lift up a car?
00:05:57.000Well, interesting, I've got so many articles from around the world about women lifting up cars when a baby or their child is trapped under the car.
00:06:05.000And this is all true, because I've read these stories too, but I've never really Googled them.
00:06:08.000No, no, they're absolutely true, and there's large numbers of them.
00:06:13.000It means like this untrained, unathletic woman could go out there and lift up the car.
00:06:17.000Okay, and so that's like, that's pretty neat, but here's one I really think is cool.
00:06:22.000Down south, there's this Baptist fundamentalist kind of people that get into a religious ecstasy state, and they do what they call testify, that God protects them.
00:06:32.000So they believe that God protects them, and so what do they do?
00:06:36.000They do strange crap, like they handle snakes, like rattlesnakes and copperhead snakes.
00:06:40.000They're snake handlers, so they get bitten by the snakes.
00:06:43.000Nothing happens when they're in this state of belief.
00:07:04.000Brian, it's the most, I mean, they're insane looking people when they do it, but the fact is they drink poison, but it's in the belief system.
00:07:13.000So this is all stuff that's been documented.
00:07:15.000What was your initial background as a scientist?
00:07:19.000I trained as a cell biologist and I started doing cell cultures back on stem cells in 1967. That's so long ago.
00:07:34.000And the thing was, there was just a handful of us, the entire world, working on stem cells at that time.
00:07:40.000And the results from those studies were so completely different than what I was teaching medical students about how life worked, about how genes control life, because it showed that genes did not control the biology.
00:08:15.000So that's why it's so important, and everyone sort of knows this, but it's so important to surround yourself with positive people and not be around a bunch of energy vampires.
00:08:23.000Because there's people that are caught in a downward spiral, and if you are with them, their gravity can bring you into a shitty place.
00:08:52.000Well, it might be fear, but I'll tell you more so.
00:08:55.000Very simply, the science that we have in the textbooks today is more or less a product of paid advertising from the pharmaceutical company.
00:09:05.000And the significance, why I mean that is, let me ask you a question, Joe.
00:09:10.000I mean, obviously, are you aware there's much more effective ways to create energy besides burning fossil fuel?
00:09:15.000I mean, you know, I'm not really aware of all the options.
00:10:01.000And the answer is, it's not in the interest of an industry that sells drugs.
00:10:07.000Because if I can heal you for free, then what are you going to do with the drug market?
00:10:11.000Do you think they're suppressing it, or do you think there's just never been any evidence demonstrated that it works on any sort of a large, measurable level?
00:10:20.000There's quite a bit of evidence, but it's really evidence that's not talked about in the public, and it's very difficult to get published.
00:10:26.000I'm sure there is, but what I mean is it's not like it's in their face and they're trying to suppress it.
00:10:45.000What beliefs did you get programmed with about your life?
00:10:47.000For a very simple reason, if you get down to the simple understanding how your mind controls your genetics and your biological behavior, Then you have to recognize, then the question is, what programs have you been programmed with?
00:10:59.000Because those are the programs that are going to shape your life.
00:11:01.000And the belief system is, can you drink strychnine, Joe?
00:11:22.000Do you think it's fascinating that a lot of the people that are pushing that belief, they actually are caught up in it themselves?
00:11:29.000You know, the people that are suppressing information, the people that are, you know, if they're aware of it, You know, they're actually doing it to themselves as well.
00:11:40.000That's why you can't say there's a conspiracy at the same level.
00:12:09.000I can show you hundreds of papers on all kinds of things about electromagnetic fields, that vibrational fields can control every function of the cell.
00:12:18.000They can control the synthesis of DNA. It can control the cell division.
00:12:23.000It can control what we call differentiation, where Like an embryonic cell becomes a muscle cell or a bone cell.
00:12:30.000It controls the organization of cells.
00:12:32.000There are demonstrations of this all the time.
00:12:35.000Vibrational frequencies with exact frequencies cause cells to have very specific biological responses.
00:12:42.000So if it was up to you, would this be something that they would be teaching kids in school, like on a regular basis, to try to explain at a very early age how important it is to think in a positive way and act in a positive way and surround yourself with positive people?
00:12:57.000That it's not just a luxury that you're looking, oh, I just want to settle down and be around, you know, where it's quiet.
00:13:16.000And this is the nature of quantum mechanics.
00:13:18.000Look, quantum mechanics came up with a very simple problem and said, wait, is the fundamental particle that makes an atom, is it physical or is it vibrational?
00:13:27.000Is it a particle, like a piece of something, or is it just a vibrational field?
00:13:32.000And the answer came out, because it can't be both, One's solid and the other one's an energy wave, right?
00:13:38.000And yet it comes out when they do the experiment.
00:13:40.000If you think it's a particle and you design the experiment to see a particle, you see a particle.
00:13:45.000If you think it's a wave and design an experiment to determine a wave, then you see it as a wave.
00:13:51.000And the question, well, how can it be a wave and a particle?
00:14:32.000Obviously, it just didn't change anything.
00:14:34.000But if you get enough voices to say the same thing, then what you're doing is you're amplifying the feel.
00:14:40.000The more people that are in tune with the same voice, it becomes a crowd response.
00:14:44.000Even in soccer games in Europe, when they get crazy, they always break out into these big fights and stuff like that.
00:14:51.000A pacifist sitting in the middle, one of those vegan pacifist guys sitting in the middle, if there's a fight that breaks out all around, They'll be caught up in the energy of a crowd response.
00:15:04.000And it won't be their consciousness that's controlling them then.
00:15:41.000And it really is going to be a fine subdivision between the 40s and unders and the people over 40. I think there's going to be a separation at some point, except there are a lot of wonderful old people, like myself, old people.
00:15:53.000Do you think the internet has anything to do with it?
00:15:56.000That's about the age group that the internet has.
00:15:58.000The internet has everything to do with it.
00:15:59.000The internet is the nervous system of a new organism.
00:16:42.000That's why the breakdown of politics all over the place.
00:16:45.000That's why the thing is falling apart.
00:16:46.000People all over the world are recognizing we're all people in the same thing called humanity.
00:16:53.000And so we have to break free of the limitations that we have been programmed with.
00:16:59.000And in that breaking free, which means changing the thoughts, changing the beliefs, getting into a new understanding, we are on the threshold of an evolution that's so amazing.
00:17:11.000And what's interesting is that people look around right now, they're scared to death.
00:19:15.000And that's exactly what science has shown us, that we are now We have passed a very critical point in destroying the environment, threatening our own survival.
00:19:24.000I mean, a simple fact that's scary, if you think about it, within 30 years, there will be no fish in the ocean at the rate we're going right now.
00:19:33.000That's almost like a science fiction story.
00:19:37.000Because the conclusion is human behavior is causing it.
00:19:40.000And Einstein, he had a great saying, Einstein said, you can't solve the problems with the same thinking that created the problems.
00:19:49.000Well, the institutions that we are living by today are the cause of the problem.
00:19:54.000So the crash of the institutions is a necessary step in the evolution because you can't build a sustainable world on those belief systems.
00:20:04.000They're the systems that are causing the destruction of the environment that we live in now.
00:20:09.000Do you ever consider the possibility that all behavior, all life on this planet is natural and that there's a reason why people are so selfish and so destructive and yet also so ambitious and so prone to technological creations and pushing things forward?
00:20:32.000It's almost like that's what we're supposed to do.
00:22:05.000Can we live in the so-called, you know, if you want to use like a Garden of Eden, there was a garden here before we destroyed it, and the fact is, you know, if you want to live in the garden without destroying the garden, technology is a requirement because it reduces the footprint so we can live here without devastating the environment around us, okay?
00:22:24.000So that technology is a built-in drive.
00:22:26.000Is the behavior that we're expressing during this part of that?
00:23:23.000I don't want to say yes or no, but I will say this.
00:23:27.000There was a good reason for living this way to a certain point because it got us to a certain point.
00:23:32.000But continuing that process is where the problem comes from.
00:23:36.000And you see that the recognition of that is why the whole human race seems to be putting the brakes right now on this conventional culture.
00:23:44.000Putting the brakes on this society that we've accepted up to this point, it doesn't seem like people want to accept it anymore.
00:23:52.000Yeah, they're seeing that it's ridiculous, and they're seeing that our leaders aren't really leading us, and they're seeing that everyone seems to be bought and paid off, and everyone's hitting the brakes.
00:23:59.000Everyone's going, stop, stop this thing.
00:24:03.000Because it's time to build something that takes into consideration not the few that possess the power.
00:24:09.000You see, look, we can talk about, and I talk about the biology and the nature of the mind controlling the behavior and the biology of women lifting cars, drinking strychnine, the powerful nature you are.
00:24:18.000Do we know what actually physically does, I mean is it adrenaline?
00:24:21.000What is the actual physical thing that happens to their body that allows them to do amazing things?
00:24:25.000It's exactly the same thing that the strychnine drinker has.
00:24:29.000Absolute belief that there's no Mike Child is under this car.
00:24:32.000There's not even a concept of, can I lift the car?
00:24:43.000It's the same as walking across the hot coals, the drinking the strychnine, lifting the car.
00:24:48.000The things you have that absolute belief in, you can do powerful things beyond anything, except, that's why I said, go back and look at our programming.
00:24:56.000Our programming is, we've been programmed to perceive ourselves as frail and vulnerable.
00:25:00.000In fact, we're farthest thing from that, except for this.
00:25:04.000And this is an interesting story about the upheaval, and that goes like this.
00:25:07.000You look at the world and you say, look, am I powerful?
00:25:56.000Well, Do you think that's a minor thing that just would have slipped away in history, that you can control the population by programming the first six years of their lives?
00:26:29.000It's the programming that the rich give to their family, which is completely the opposite of the programming the poor give to their family.
00:26:36.000It's not the individual, it's not the person, it's the programming.
00:27:30.000The fish knows its environment, so it's going to grow.
00:27:35.000Does it have anything to do with that at all?
00:27:37.000Well, it's basically, they know their world, and they read their world, and we're having problems recognizing our own world.
00:27:44.000We've been programmed not to be sensitive to the experience.
00:27:47.000That's why indigenous people, the Indians, the Aborigines, all these people, man, they can't tell you where the water is, even if you can't see it.
00:28:02.000Do you think that this is a natural occurrence?
00:28:03.000Do you think that this all happened because this is the way we would be so innovative, this is the way we would push forward, push forward regardless of the health and safety of each other and of the planet itself?
00:28:19.000Yeah, it's an unfortunate situation because you have to go back and say, when did this group of individuals, which isn't a large group at that, decided at one point they were helping us as parents?
00:28:37.000Maybe their knowledge is so limited that they're thinking inside the box when the knowledge is outside the box.
00:28:45.000So the question is, is it a conspiracy because they want to control us or is it a conspiracy not as such but like a parent saying, look, the people don't know what the hell they're doing.
00:30:12.000I mean, look, there was a time before quantum physics, the only physicists were the Newtonian physicists, the ones that only saw the mechanical material world as real and didn't consider the invisible realm as anything.
00:30:24.000Quantum physics comes in and says it's the invisible realm that is actually shaping the physical realm.
00:31:46.000How come with all the money and all the technological advances, we're spending more money now than we've ever done, having more healthcare than we ever had, and we have the sickest population we ever had?
00:31:56.000This is the sickest population we've ever had?
00:32:07.000We think we're like machines, and you go to the pharmacy guy, and he puts a medicine in there, and all of a sudden you've got some new parts, and it's like, no, there is a part like...
00:32:30.000If the driver's got some shitty driver education, man, he's going to destroy the vehicle.
00:32:34.000And the answer, that's where the problem came from.
00:32:38.000So is what we're experiencing really a step in the evolution of what we're going to become?
00:32:44.000And so all these problems and all this rebellion against the standard behavior that we've fed into for so long, is all of this like a step in an evolution to something else?
00:34:18.000He does a lot of work with kids that grow up and have a lot of anger issues.
00:34:24.000And he sort of explained to me that...
00:34:26.000When you're a baby and you're growing up inside of a woman's body, you know, you're developing in a horrible environment where there's, you know, no father and there's violence and there's, you know, crime and all this.
00:34:38.000The fetus will, like, become, like, programmed to act quicker, to be more violent.
00:34:45.000That's exactly what the decided nature is.
00:34:47.000And we try to stick them in a fucking cubicle.
00:34:50.000This whole thing is so screwed that way because then we propagate that and we say, look, look, well, okay, look, blacks are great athletes.
00:34:57.000I say, yeah, look where they all come from.
00:34:59.000They all come from, you know, essentially an environment that is totally not supportive, which means biologically they have to acquire the ability to fight to survive.
00:35:07.000So their bodies are designed much healthier in that regard.
00:35:11.000That's pretty crazy when you think about it.
00:35:13.000It's like the suppressing of the black man has made the black man stronger than the suppressor.
00:35:24.000Because they have to struggle to stay alive, so they're designed to be in struggle.
00:35:28.000Is it true that shit that Jimmy the Greek got fired for when he said that black people have been bred as slaves, the biggest ones, they would breed with the other biggest ones?
00:35:38.000Is that why so many black people are big, or do you believe that it's a stress and environment issue?
00:37:43.000The subconscious part is like a record playback mechanism.
00:37:46.000It learns experiences, pushes the button, plays the experiences back.
00:37:49.000Okay, so now I say, well, okay, our personal drive is our conscious wish and desire.
00:37:54.000And then I'm going to tell you a fact, and this is a freaky fact.
00:37:58.000Science has shown that we only run our lives 5% of the time with our conscious mind, our creative mind, the mind with your wishes and what you want out of life.
00:38:08.00095% of our life comes from the subconscious automated programs that play when we don't even pay attention.
00:38:15.000You can drive the car without paying attention, it's an automatic program.
00:38:18.000You can do your job without paying attention, it's an automatic program.
00:38:30.000As we mentioned earlier, the first six years, you are downloading behavior from your environment.
00:38:38.000And those become your fundamental programs.
00:38:41.000You watch your parents, your family, your community.
00:38:44.000And this is why I said the church saw that, and they said, give me the first six years, whatever program I put in that six years will become the fundamental programs in the subconscious mind.
00:39:03.000Not necessarily the program, but when you're trying to exercise your conscious mind, like positive thinking, conscious mind, 5% of the time.
00:39:14.000Because it's dealing with so much unconscious programming.
00:39:21.000Do you propose that maybe like a standard of thinking be established or a way of thinking where you teach kids in school how to overcome Like these subconscious thoughts and how to overcome.
00:40:03.000But in my lectures, I say to people, I say, look, I know sometime in your life you had a very close friend, you knew your friend's behavior, and you happen to know your friend's parent.
00:40:13.000And at some point you may have seen that your friend had some of the same behavior, so you volunteered, you go, you know, Bill, you're just like your dad.
00:40:21.000And the first guy you back away from is Bill.
00:40:23.000He's going to go ballistic and say, how can you compare me to my dad?
00:40:28.000And I tell people, that's so profound a story.
00:40:33.000Everyone else can see that Bill behaves like his dad.
00:40:35.000The only one who doesn't see it is Bill.
00:40:38.000And we're all Bill, meaning we play behaviors that don't even harmonize with our wishes and desires, but when we play them, we don't see them because they're automatic and unconscious.
00:40:50.000And then we wonder why our life isn't going where we want it to go, and we didn't realize, fundamentally, we were the ones that were shooting ourselves in the foot in the first place.
00:41:00.000And it's because we didn't understand that the control can be controlled by the conscious mind, but when the conscious mind is thinking about stuff, then the default is the subconscious, but the subconscious programmed by other people.
00:41:16.000Do you think that people are starting to realize this?
00:41:18.000Because, you know, if you think about it, like on Twitter, you'll see people, even like dumb people, say something.
00:41:22.000You know, today it's just going to be all smiles and like hashtag positivity.
00:41:27.000You know, it's like, you know, that wouldn't have happened in 1930. No guy would have left his house with, you know, one of those little fucking knit caps on and shit.
00:42:04.000He knew that it was the fear that will immobilize you, not the thing you even were thinking about.
00:42:08.000Just having the fear of something immobilizes you.
00:42:12.000If people have so much control, if thoughts and ideas and consciousness has so much control, what's the cause of things like the Great Depression?
00:42:21.000What's the cause of these giant hiccups in the historical process where something terrible happens, like the Holocaust or something along those lines?
00:44:36.000I don't want to knock medicine down because medicine does miracles, man.
00:44:39.000Anything physical with the body, mechanical, they are miracle makers.
00:44:44.000You want to transplant a heart, you want to cut pieces, fix them, go to them.
00:44:49.000You want to deal with cancer, Alzheimer's, diabetes, obesity, depression?
00:44:55.000They have no idea what the hell they're talking about because they know the mechanical biology, which gives them the opportunity to work on the body as a vehicle, cut out parts, change parts.
00:45:06.000But how do the parts necessarily work?
00:45:08.000Ah, there's some missing information because the new science undermines the existing belief system.
00:45:14.000So that's why the failure of the system.
00:45:16.000And it turns out that when you do the statistics, medicine actually becomes the leading cause of death in the United States today.
00:45:24.000And the pharmaceutical company is one of the major elements behind that.
00:45:52.000This is so interesting to me because I've always thought that one of the secrets to life, to feeling, looking young, being young, is to don't ever change what you're used to.
00:47:29.000We're talking about positive thinking and beliefs and how you can structure the world and change it for the better and this fuckhead lights up a cigarette.
00:47:46.000You know when you used to go to comedy clubs like Texas before they banned cigarettes, you used to always say that on stage how cool it was to go into that room.
00:47:58.000Yeah, but not in a podcast when you talk to a gentleman talking about positivity and you go and do the exact opposite of what he's selling you, fuck.
00:49:04.000I think this ends when the institutions that exist start saying they're not able to handle this situation anymore and then we start looking for a new way of I mean, it was interesting when a governor of one of the places said, I have a lot of trouble with this Occupy Wall Street stuff because I can't find anybody to talk to that's in charge.
00:49:22.000And it was sort of like, yeah, because this is a new way of life.
00:49:25.000You're not going to have that old game anymore.
00:49:28.000So, all of a sudden, the old guard will not be able to communicate with a new way of life.
00:50:26.000What hit me was a few years back, I was sitting in my living room in Santa Cruz, and a video crew from Russia was there.
00:50:34.000And they were setting up for the video and I was just sitting there looking at them and I thought, if you didn't hear them speaking, if you just had a video without the sound, you wouldn't know if they came from LA or where the hell they came from.
00:50:46.000All of a sudden you start to realize all around the world People are beginning to start to act as one community of people.
00:50:55.000And it's real exciting because that is what the evolution is all about.
00:50:58.000You can't have separate countries that say, well, let's burn all this crap and put it in the air because it's going to blow over there and we don't care about it.
00:51:52.000First of all, I don't think you're inhaling nearly as much smoke when you smoke marijuana because you're only doing it like maybe once or twice in a day.
00:52:00.000You're sucking on those stupid things all fucking day long.
00:52:03.000And on top of that, those things have 590 different chemicals.
00:52:05.000You take one bong head, that's like a pack of cigarettes.
00:53:48.000I don't want you to get cancer, and I know you're stuck in this stupid thing, and it's so ridiculous because you quit for a while, and you talk about how smoke makes me sick now, and then your cat stubs its toe, and you fucking light right up again.
00:53:59.000And eventually you're playing a game that's going to catch up with you.
00:54:02.000And I think this message is to anybody who's out there smoking cigarettes.
00:54:06.000It's the most ridiculous fucking thing you can do.
00:56:00.000If you're a sensitive person, if you're thinking all the time and you're sensitive to other people around you, and I always believe that people around you affect you.
00:56:26.000Yeah, you're released from the hive, briefly.
00:56:29.000That's why I don't understand New York City.
00:56:30.000You're just trusting all these people's vibes around you.
00:56:34.000You're just going to live in some giant fucking cement box with a bunch of weirdos.
00:56:39.000And they all think weird shit, and who knows whose toaster doesn't work right, and lights the whole fucking place on fire.
00:56:44.000You're going to trust these assholes, and you're just going to be around them every day, stuck in traffic, and just breathing their energy, right?
00:56:51.000I was one of the lucky guys in the world.
00:56:54.000I ended up teaching in the Caribbean islands.
00:58:29.000There's no way it didn't work, because all these state trooper women, that Jennifer Flowers women, these women that would claim he would just whip his dick out, it was not just one.
00:59:04.000But is it natural to have that kind of behavior?
00:59:06.000Isn't that what drives a lot of those guys to get to that position in the first place?
00:59:10.000Absolutely, because you're in that competition out there in the field, and how do you know how you succeed in the competition?
00:59:14.000Well, how many toys do you own, and what's your position in the hierarchy?
00:59:17.000And so when you've driven yourself to that level, there was a reason why you wanted to be up there, not just because it was something to do for the week or something like that.
01:00:21.000But what's insane is that that wasn't followed up on and chased down and beaten down in front of the press like that girl who killed her baby.
01:01:13.000Once that opened up, once that opened up, all of a sudden it's like, oh, you mean you could expose the secrets and everybody had cameras like...
01:01:43.000That was amazing to me, that someone could think that it would be the right thing to do, to take some fucking kid who is a college student, okay, and all they're doing is sitting there protesting, and you're going to spray some, whatever they are, 19, 20-year-old kid in the face with pepper spray, and you're a cop?
01:02:02.000And that reaction is completely natural and important, right?
01:02:06.000Because that is verification that there's a new process in place.
01:02:11.000Absolutely, and that's what I was so proud about those people, because they got into a situation where it could have gotten into violence, and what they did is they just held the violence back, and just, you know, there's just shame on you, and they shamed them, like, pushed them back, back until they were off the campus, and they got off, and it was like, oh, wow, nonviolence, because...
01:02:29.000What people have to understand is that it's the violence that's being planted, I think most of it, I would say, is planted is to throw people against this Occupy Wall Street movement.
01:02:42.000And when they did it peaceably, it's like, wow, how are you going to complain about that?
01:02:47.000That was a great demonstration of how to handle the situation because the moment violence comes in, they're almost like Nazi stormtroopers out there, especially with all that homeland security, all that crap, all their new guns and all that technology for crowd control.
01:03:57.000And the question is, can we mobilize and make the change?
01:04:00.000And I really think we can, because it's especially the younger generation and the older older generation, the ones in the middle I'm a little concerned about, but there are a lot of old hippies out there that really are in total alignment with the Occupy Wall Street movement.
01:04:18.000They were there back then when it all happened.
01:04:21.000And so I think there's this great opportunity for this evolution.
01:04:25.000It's going to be fabulous, but you have to recognize, like anything, when a child is born, there's blood.
01:04:33.000There's pain and blood when it happens.
01:04:36.000And birthing this new civilization, we're going to go through this little bit of this chaos here, which is going to be painful for a lot of people, but it's like we've got to see past where we are and look to where we're going to go.
01:04:47.000Isn't it amazing that no one would have ever guessed 20 years ago that we'd be talking about this?
01:04:53.000That we'd be talking about society eroding to the point where it really becomes irrelevant.
01:04:58.000Not irrelevant, but it's not respected.
01:06:43.000If voting is real, but then the idea is you really start to swamp the market.
01:06:47.000It's very hard to say that, you know, that's what these other countries know.
01:06:50.000It's like, well, obviously this didn't conform to the people who voted.
01:06:53.000Isn't it funny that we are becoming a fucking banana dictatorship?
01:06:56.000We have become everything we fought for for other countries and freed other countries we've imposed with a Patriot Act.
01:07:03.000We have taken away personal liberty, and this whole country is, to my opinion, With that Patriot Act in operation is as bankrupt as any of the countries like Chile was under their leadership and their dictators where whatever the government says they can create whatever the hell they want.
01:07:20.000Take you, Joe, off the street and not tell anybody for 90 days that you're even gone.
01:07:40.000What if everything at the top is completely fucked up and the right thing to do is to march in the street and to block traffic and to stop this fucking tyrannical situation?
01:07:51.000If that is the case, if that is the case, Then we're there.
01:07:55.000Then anybody who opposes that is treasonous.
01:07:58.000Look, they already have the internment camps to hold several million people.
01:08:24.000And the thing was, it was real interesting.
01:08:25.000He said, in this process of what they were talking about in the future, the guy who wrote it up said, one of the things that was interesting, he said, people in this future period are going to become more conscious, and this is going to change the relationship of what's going on.
01:08:40.000But he also came to the conclusion, he said...
01:08:42.000Inevitably, we're still going to come to a chaos period where there's going to have to be control maintained.
01:08:48.000And I remember he put in parentheses and he said, and I hope not for long, but what he was saying is, if it comes to a crunch issue like this for the government to maintain control, They'll have to put a lot of people away in internment camps to keep it from burning up.
01:10:46.000He's the guy pulling the marionette strings.
01:10:47.000But isn't that like the first time ever that we can recall that there was a real, like the vice president really was sort of in control of the whole thing?
01:10:54.000I mean, I don't remember that happening during the Carter administration or Reagan administration or Well, Reagan himself wasn't in charge of anything.
01:11:02.000People don't remember, he was an ad spokesman on television, early days of television, for things like General Electric and big corporations.
01:11:11.000He was that guy that distinguished look.
01:11:13.000And they just bought him from the television set and put him in front of the world and gave him the lines to read.
01:11:20.000It's amazing, though, how many people respected him.
01:11:23.000It's like people that argue that Hulk Hogan really did fight all those guys.
01:11:27.000Have you ever seen those dudes on the internet?
01:11:29.000There's a very famous clip of one guy, and he's in a high school auditorium or something, and he's talking to these wrestlers, and he's crying.
01:16:31.000And yet, the first move he did after that was to put out a thing about being a Christian and about the gays who don't want you to celebrate Christmas.
01:16:40.000The whole world's falling apart and all this stuff, and they want to bring out gays.
01:16:44.000Well, he's a perfect piece of evidence.
01:16:46.000You guys, there's big issues here, and they don't deal with any big issues.
01:16:50.000Well, they're mining for low-hanging fruit, and that's the best way to mine for low-hanging fruit.
01:16:54.000That's an unfortunate situation, and I think I remember back at some advertisements, like, oh, George Bush would be the kind of president you'd like to go have a beer with at the bar, and I'm thinking, Not really.
01:17:03.000I would have a beer with him just to see how fucking guilty he feels.
01:17:58.000Yeah, it was like something was actually happening in his life that they didn't plan out in advance and pull off to a tee while the whole world thought they were battling good guys, starting fucking wars over weapons that don't even exist.
01:18:09.000And even though it's been proven those weapons don't exist, oh, we're just going to stay for another seven or eight years.
01:18:26.000That's the best government money can buy.
01:18:29.000But it's amazing that anybody could, I mean, if you needed the best example ever of how the government and the military are not looking out for your best interest, Afghanistan is it.
01:18:39.000To think that we didn't learn, not only do we not learn anything from Vietnam, we learned less.
01:20:56.000But, I mean, that's a ridiculous calculation.
01:20:58.000Yeah, and yet the people, as long as it's in the front of the newspaper, then it's there, and the moment it's not in front of the newspaper, it's gone.
01:21:59.000When you're building a fucking power plant on a fault line, if I was your psychologist, I'd be like, homie, what the fuck are you doing, man?
01:22:58.000So when you look at the future and you see with all the information that you have, which is far more than most, how do you see this ending?
01:23:04.000I think this has the greatest possible, most wonderful ending in the world.
01:23:11.000We talked about the conscious mind and that we're being controlled by the subconscious mind and that the conscious mind is the creative mind with your wishes and desires.
01:23:59.000And that the honeymoon was the one time in our lives, and this is the interesting part because neuroscience says, the one time where you operate strictly from the conscious mind and don't revert to that default program in the subconscious mind where you're operating from your wishes and desires is the time you're making love.
01:24:16.000When you're making love, the conscious mind stays in the present moment.
01:24:19.000It's the conscious mind that has all your wishes and desires, so if that mind stays in the front, guess what?
01:24:24.000Then you created a life that was heaven on earth, but the moment life starts to get too busy and your mind starts to wander and think, then you resort back to the unconscious programs.
01:24:35.000Well, you didn't see you did that, but your partner does, and your partner goes, What the hell kind of behavior is that?
01:24:42.000And that's when this whole honeymoon starts to come to an end because when you just said whatever you did from your subconscious program, which may have been your father or your mother, and you didn't hear yourself say it, your partner heard yourself say it, you didn't even hear yourself saying that.
01:24:54.000So that's where all of a sudden the honeymoon starts to collapse.
01:24:57.000It's like, what are you talking about?
01:24:59.000I've always been this way, or whatever you want to say.
01:25:01.000It's like you start losing the dialogue because you're now talking from your subconscious programs.
01:26:09.000But if you reprogram the subconscious mind to have the same beliefs and wishes and desires that your conscious mind has, so that both minds have the same vision and destiny, then there's a honeymoon the rest of your life.
01:26:22.000It doesn't end then, because you put in your wishes and desires.
01:26:25.000So even when you're not paying attention, that's when your subconscious playing is still going to play the same wishes and desires that you want in your life anyway.
01:26:33.000But right now, It plays the programs that you got from other people when you're not paying attention.
01:26:38.000That's why you lose control over your life.
01:26:40.000I've always said that very few people have their own opinions, that they simply have a conglomeration of other people's opinions.
01:26:46.000They sort of adopt it as their own, but they really haven't audited every single one of them.
01:27:04.000It'll take you there whether you're paying attention or not.
01:27:07.000And don't you think that same sort of thing has happened to pretty much everyone who's in a position of power?
01:27:11.000So they are, in a certain sense, a victim of the same system that they're at the wheel of.
01:27:15.000They were programmed somewhere along the line to get to that power.
01:27:18.000So they were being driven by the program.
01:27:21.000It's amazing when you really think about it.
01:27:24.000One of the things that I think is really terrifying to people is that you're describing this and people are realizing this, I'm sure, right now, but they're also realizing that this is not a conventional idea that's really sort of pushed in the media.
01:27:35.000This is not something the President of the United States addresses the nation about.
01:27:39.000This is not necessarily something that's that well known.
01:27:41.000There's no money for the corporations in this process.
01:27:44.000And when the information is expressed and people know it to be true and sort of recognize it and think, oh my god, does this mean that there is no one who has set this whole gigantic thing up, this human civilization?
01:28:39.000They took the water with them on the land so they could go deep into the land, penetrate into the land, get the water, grow all the stuff and live because you needed the water.
01:30:15.000We've got to take care of the water, the air, take care of the kids and all that.
01:30:18.000Taking care is the character called nurturing.
01:30:23.000Nurturing is the character of mammals.
01:30:25.000So in 1969, the mammalian phase of human civilization was seeded with the hippies looking and saying, oh my god, take care of each other, take care of the planet, we generation.
01:31:00.000The power that's been feeding this whole reptilian phase of corporate dinosaurs that So the meek is actually the individuals all banded together against a united corporation or many united corporations.
01:33:32.000It's amazing that they somehow or another figured that out.
01:33:34.000It was interesting because they built a, when the Christians came in, the Spanish, and they took over the Sun Temple, which is this big Peruvian temple in Cusco, then the church did it, and like dogs pee one on top of the other one, they built their church on top of the foundation, which was the Peruvian temple.
01:33:55.000And it's interesting, three earthquakes have demolished the church each time, and in the three earthquakes, not one thing happened to the foundational building, which was the Peruvian temple.
01:34:36.000Every part of our knowledge is being revised.
01:34:39.000That's another thing that people are fighting against.
01:34:41.000You know, when you were talking about people who are academics, who have been teaching a certain thing most of their lives, you know, that happened with a lot of this, the people that are trying to predate the Sphinx.
01:35:26.000You remember when kids used to do that?
01:35:28.000I remember when dudes used to have cars that would just sit on blocks and you'd see fucking trees growing in their car.
01:35:33.000We had a mountain near where we lived and we'd go buy these junkers, you know, cars that were burning oil and people didn't want really, pay 10, 15 bucks, drive them up to the top of this hill and then we'd use them like a dirt track and just, you know, cut through the weeds and all kinds of stuff like that and just ran them into the ground until they finally, so it was like 10 or 15 bucks for the investment.
01:35:54.000And then spend a day or two playing bumper cars.
01:35:59.000Before we were aware that we could hurt ourselves.
01:36:39.000Which is really terrifying to me because now we're moving into this digital era and everything is getting put down on ones and zeros and data that you have to...
01:36:46.000And we're also going to hit an era of sunspot activity that's going to be outrageous, which means all that memory is going to go gone.
01:37:30.000Just hang out on my hilltop and kiss a goodbye.
01:37:32.000Do you think you'd be comfortable on your hilltop by yourself how long if you knew that the rest of the world was dead?
01:37:37.000Remember Ernest Borgnine in Twilight Zone?
01:37:42.000Remember that he was so happy that the world exploded because he was inside of a vault and he came out and he's like, oh these books, I can read these books and then he dropped his glasses and broke them.
01:38:44.000Yeah, I think the human animal, and that's the fascinating thing about people, is that we need each other so much that we get sad when there's no one else around.
01:38:51.000Actually, in biological understanding, it's inconceivable, it's just a quote, it's inconceivable to think of an organism ever living by itself.
01:39:05.000Because I do like watching TV. When everyone's asleep and I'm alone, I like it.
01:39:11.000If I'm staying in a hotel room, I'm like, ooh, I get to watch whatever the fuck I want to watch and no one's going to talk to me right now.
01:40:14.000I have no idea, but it's surprising me how fast some of the changes have occurred.
01:40:19.000Because the book, Evolution, that I wrote was just a couple of years ago, and stuff that I was talking about is now beginning to manifest already, especially with Occupy Wall Street, meaning people are pulling out of the system, and that's all it begins.
01:40:33.000Once they start pulling out, critical level, the system will stop.
01:40:37.000Yeah, but how are they pulling out of the system?
01:40:39.000Because they're not even being able to participate.
01:40:47.000Community is the necessary step of evolution.
01:40:51.000And that's what will keep people alive.
01:40:53.000If people learn to live in community, there'll always be a support system.
01:40:56.000But if they try to do it without community, it's not going to work for them.
01:40:58.000Well, that's what seems to be going on with this Occupy Wall Street thing, is that this is the biggest number of people that are willing to hang out together outdoors that I've ever seen.
01:41:06.000And it has become, they're united in this.
01:41:11.000You remember Jamie Kilstein from the podcast.
01:41:13.000My buddy, he's a, he's a, every fucking day I look at his Twitter, it's, you know, it's pound sign, OWS. Like, everything is Occupy Wall Street.
01:41:21.000He even went to Australia when he was on vacation over there or working on it.
01:41:25.000I don't know what he was doing, but he went to Occupy Melbourne.
01:41:27.000I mean, like, dude, settle the fuck down.
01:41:56.000The definition of humanity is community.
01:41:58.000It doesn't work if it's not community, so basically that's the motivation.
01:42:02.000And look at the consequence of this and the reason is we have been systematically deprived of community over time.
01:42:09.000At first, you know, local neighborhoods and then even in a family home when they put the televisions in there and all of a sudden the family's not even working as a community.
01:42:19.000That was the last piece of it and now all of a sudden there was no community anywhere and that's why So you think the families watching television robs them of the community?
01:42:37.000Well, 30 Rock, I need to laugh every now and then.
01:42:39.000Well, Jon Stewart's hilarious, and that show is the perfect example for me of what a comic can do with just the regular, real news, the real reality of this world that we're living in, especially in, you know, and do it dressed like them, you know, wearing a suit, sitting in front of a desk like them, but just mock the whole thing.
01:42:56.000I mean, the truth has become humorous at some point, hasn't it?
01:43:35.000Hunter Thompson had that great line about seeing that and then seeing the tide roll back and seeing it the one time like being during the 60s in San Francisco and the acid culture and seeing what's possible and then seeing it all pull back.
01:43:53.000It was the most exciting time I can experience and that I have experienced on this planet because every day we get up and we didn't know what was...
01:43:59.000We knew something was going to happen every day because everybody's like...
01:44:17.000The Vietnam War was going and there were protests against the war.
01:44:21.000First it was students congregated together against parents and the community.
01:44:27.000And so there was like Occupy Wall Street with a little bit more anger to it and a little bit more, you know, real heavy protests going on, much more active.
01:45:39.000He had a CIA guy there say that they linked up with a mafia.
01:45:43.000And so this was, you know, this is on the show, on PBS. And they linked up the mafia with what?
01:45:48.000The CIA would carry the guns to this country, make money, sell it to both sides, essentially...
01:45:54.000And then, because they didn't have money, they were getting paid in all this, you know, coke or whatever the hell it was, and then they'd fly that back in in CIA planes into the states, and then the mafia would take it from there and pay them back.
01:46:20.000That's what Halliburton and all this stuff came from.
01:46:22.000They started operating independent of the government because they were making more money creating the wars and getting involved with the drug and the gun trade.
01:46:31.000And this was explained to people, and it's like today, the same issue with me.
01:46:35.000It's like, oh my god, what are we going to do about it?
01:46:48.000Well, Micah Rupert, the guy who we're talking about, who's the guy who was the star of that movie, Collapse, you know what we're talking about?
01:47:35.000Is there a pattern of thinking that you recommend?
01:47:38.000I mean, how can people sort of wake themselves up out of the state they're in now and sort of evolve past the situation that we're at now together?
01:47:54.000And you have to look for the knowledge because it's not the knowledge you're going to get in conventional school in the conventional textbook that's selling a program.
01:48:00.000We've been playing that program for years.
01:48:01.000And that's why war after war, we all go, oh, another war, another war.
01:48:05.000It's like somebody's been playing us so beautifully and it's time to stop.
01:48:10.000It's not working anymore because they tapped the system dry.
01:48:18.000That means that you're going to have a movement of people that is just like the haves and the have-nots, and they're so in balance, 99-1, man.
01:48:25.000And so eventually, somehow or another, it's going to work itself out, probably when the old people die.
01:48:30.000And that's one of the best ways of making the change.
01:48:34.000And you notice, just in the last, I think it was eight years, six, eight years, the...
01:48:42.000Survey of people wanting legal marijuana went from 36% about 6 or 8 years ago.
01:48:51.000So it says, geez, in a few years, you know, that older group that's got their claws onto the system are dying, you know, like Cheney kind of people.
01:49:13.000And so that's why a whole new economy and a whole new way of communicating and a whole new way of community is what is the evolutionary point?
01:49:21.000A disconnect from the structure and a rebuilding of something new and better.