The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1669 - Kyle Kulinski

00:00:13.000 Oh, hello, Kyle.

00:00:14.000 Hello, Joe Rogan.

00:00:15.000 Pleasure to see you, my friend.

00:00:17.000 I'm really happy to be here.

00:00:18.000 I had a great time last night watching your stand-up.

00:00:20.000 Oh, that was fun.

00:00:21.000 That place is fun, right?

00:00:22.000 Vulcan?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, the place is a lot of fun.

00:00:24.000 I've seen your stand-up three times now, and I really think that that was the best set I've seen of yours yet.

00:00:28.000 Oh, thank you.

00:00:29.000 Thanks, man.

00:00:29.000 We were talking about it afterwards, and we were trying to put our finger on why I think it was the best, and I'm interested to hear what your thoughts on this are.

00:00:38.000 But I think you said at the beginning of the show, I am fucking high as balls right now. 0.98

00:00:42.000 That was definitely true. 0.99

00:00:44.000 And it made me think that...

00:00:46.000 We'd probably put you in the moment a lot more and then makes it so that, like you said, you were exercising some things and going down some paths you wouldn't normally go down.

00:00:55.000 And I think that was one of the things that made it great because I know that whenever I'm less coached myself when I'm about to do a segment and talking about politics, it always comes off better than when I'm very rigidly Going through the motions, you know what I mean?

00:01:10.000 So there's something about the off-the-cuff thing, which it felt like you were very off-the-cuff, that really the room was locked into you and you were doing a great job.

00:01:17.000 Thanks, thanks.

00:01:18.000 Yeah, I think I'm working out stuff, so I have bits that are already formulated, but some of them I'm not really happy with, so I was trying to figure out different ways to do them, and that's what I was doing last night.

00:01:29.000 It's just fucking around and trying to figure out new ways to talk about things.

00:01:33.000 Yeah, it was, you know, comedy is an interesting art. 0.99

00:01:36.000 It really is.

00:01:37.000 Because the laughter is so involuntary.

00:01:39.000 It's like how, you gotta be a magician to like coax it out of people at the right time.

00:01:43.000 It seems like it's nearly impossible.

00:01:44.000 It's kind of a, sort of like a mass hypnosis.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 That's what it's kind of like.

00:01:51.000 It's like you're getting those people to think the way you think.

00:01:54.000 You're like bringing them into your head.

00:01:56.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 The delivery...

00:01:58.000 One of the things I noticed yesterday is that...

00:02:02.000 I'm curious, what percentage of comedy do you think is just delivery?

00:02:06.000 Because there were a couple people who had good material, like if you write the jokes down, the jokes are good, but then with the delivery, there was something off about it, and they were either rushing through it, or there wasn't confidence behind it, and it just fell flat.

00:02:18.000 And so it makes me feel like...

00:02:20.000 Like Tony Hinchcliffe, for example, I was telling you this last night.

00:02:22.000 He's like...

00:02:24.000 He's a master at how he delivers it because it's so confident but also calm and deadpan that it just lands.

00:02:31.000 When he talks, it lands.

00:02:32.000 And then there's other comedians where they have to be at that higher level of energy in order for it to land.

00:02:37.000 You know, you always used to say Sam Kennison was one of your favorite, and for a little bit he was on top of the world comedy.

00:02:42.000 It's interesting that the delivery seems to be almost the majority of the material.

00:02:46.000 It's not even about the words, it's about how you say the words.

00:02:49.000 It's both things.

00:02:50.000 But you're right about Tony.

00:02:51.000 Tony has a perfect style for his personality, too, where he gives you time to think about things, and then he hits you with the punchline.

00:02:59.000 He gives you just the right amount of pause.

00:03:02.000 And it's like, if you wait an extra three seconds, it's not as good.

00:03:06.000 You gotta get right in there.

00:03:09.000 It's weird.

00:03:09.000 It's a weird art form.

00:03:11.000 Yeah, I feel like I learned that lesson the hard way when I was the loud mouth annoying kid in college talking about politics and debating the teacher.

00:03:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:19.000 Like you lose the room instantly.

00:03:21.000 Have you always been that guy?

00:03:23.000 You've always been into politics then?

00:03:25.000 Yes and no.

00:03:26.000 Yes, yes and no.

00:03:27.000 Like I've always been that guy to some extent.

00:03:29.000 But what's interesting about me, and people are always surprised when they hear this, is that I'm actually probably the most introverted person you've ever met in your life.

00:03:36.000 Really?

00:03:36.000 You are?

00:03:37.000 Yes.

00:03:38.000 I don't think you're definitely not the most introverted I've ever met in my life.

00:03:42.000 I've met some people that can barely talk to people.

00:03:44.000 You talk for a living.

00:03:45.000 I do talk for a living, but the thing is, I get more energy and more happiness from just being alone than I do when I'm with people.

00:03:53.000 When I'm with people, it's like a drain on my energy and I need to get away and relax.

00:03:56.000 But when I'm by myself, I have endless amounts of energy.

00:03:59.000 And that's, you know, according to some psychologists, that's the definition of an introvert.

00:04:03.000 Even for my show, I mean, I have two different shows, Secular Talk and Crystal Kyle and Friends, but for Secular Talk, which was, you know, the original, all I'm doing is monologuing for two and a half hours.

00:04:12.000 And if you're able to monologue for two and a half hours, you actually need to be somewhat introverted because I have nobody to bounce off of.

00:04:18.000 So I just got to go in my own mind and like branch off of other things I say.

00:04:22.000 And so it surprises people when they hear that.

00:04:24.000 But yeah, I know how to talk, but I'm very introverted.

00:04:26.000 I have thoughts on that because I think that's like a special kind of muscle that you develop, a special type of endurance you develop.

00:04:33.000 Like, Bill Burr is the best at that because Bill, his entire podcast for years is just him ranting.

00:04:39.000 And it's an amazing way for him to create new material too because he's always got fresh new bits and I think It's like a farm for his material.

00:04:48.000 He's always ranting about things.

00:04:49.000 But he doesn't even have anybody to bounce things off of. 0.96

00:04:53.000 Tim Dillon is also fucking amazing at that.

00:04:57.000 And in one way Tim's got Bill, he's got like an advantage, is that he has this producer, Ben, who sits in on every session. 0.95

00:05:05.000 And so he has like one guy who is right there with him who laughs at everything he says.

00:05:11.000 And so he has a one-person audience. 0.98

00:05:14.000 And a one-person audience that he knows forever, they're super comfortable with each other, and he knows how fucking crazy Tim is. 0.91

00:05:20.000 And Tim's wearing sunglasses now in most of his videos for whatever reason. 0.98

00:05:24.000 Like he's doing drugs without doing drugs.

00:05:26.000 And he's just ranting and then Ben is laughing.

00:05:29.000 And that's a special kind of...

00:05:31.000 It's a special thing.

00:05:33.000 I've never...

00:05:34.000 I mean, I've done a couple solo podcasts.

00:05:36.000 They're weird.

00:05:37.000 It's funny because for me, it feels like the opposite.

00:05:40.000 So when I'm talking on my own and monologuing, I could just go.

00:05:43.000 When I have one other person I'm talking to, like us right now, that's still pretty comfortable and relatively easy.

00:05:49.000 Then when I get to three and you actually have to talk for one third of the time, I struggle with that because there are times like, I want to jump in here, I want to jump in here.

00:05:56.000 Everybody does that.

00:05:58.000 But it's tough.

00:05:59.000 That's also an art, too, to know when you can say something and when you can't. 0.56

00:06:03.000 Because if you jump in at the wrong time, you'll fucking lose people, even if you're making a good point.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, that's a dance. 0.88

00:06:07.000 Like when Sagar and Crystal and I were doing a podcast yesterday, you have to figure out each other's rhythm and then you're dancing.

00:06:15.000 And you've got to know when to let someone continue and you've got to know when to jump in.

00:06:20.000 It's a weird...

00:06:22.000 Weird little dance.

00:06:23.000 Yeah, there's a lot more to it than people would guess.

00:06:26.000 So, yeah, when I do my podcast with Crystal and we're interviewing our guests, it's sometimes, it took me a while to get used to it before I could, like, sort of relax and know when to talk.

00:06:36.000 Whereas when I'm on my own, I just go.

00:06:39.000 Or when I'm talking to you, it's relatively smooth as well, you know?

00:06:41.000 Do you guys have headphones when you have more than one guest?

00:06:44.000 Even when you have one guest, like you and Crystal, do you wear headphones?

00:06:48.000 No, we don't, but most of our guests are also not there in the studio with us.

00:06:52.000 But even if they're not there in the studio, you should wear headphones because headphones put your voice volume at the same level as mine.

00:06:59.000 So when I'm talking or when you're talking, if I talk over you, I hear it and it's like jarring and it lets you know how the audience hears it.

00:07:08.000 Because if we're doing this like this and we're talking at the same time with no headphones on, that's how people talk in normal conversation.

00:07:14.000 It sounds fine.

00:07:15.000 It's not upsetting to you.

00:07:17.000 It's not upsetting to me.

00:07:18.000 But when it's all condensed into one sound at the same volume, it's really annoying to the person listening or watching.

00:07:26.000 That's interesting, and I never thought of that before.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, because if you're at a conversation to dinner, and there's three folks talking, and you occasionally talk over each other, it's normal.

00:07:34.000 But if you were all in each other's ear at the same volume, it would be like, oh, it'd sound terrible.

00:07:40.000 Yeah, and I noticed that, generally speaking, people are terrible at the whole wait until it's your turn to talk thing.

00:07:47.000 Everybody just wants chaos.

00:07:48.000 Everybody wants to get in over everybody else, and then nobody can hear anybody, basically.

00:07:52.000 Well, I feel like when you think about late night talk shows or any of the things in traditional media that we've been exposed to that were people interviewing people, they didn't have to develop that skill.

00:08:03.000 Unless you're talking about maybe Charlie Rose or someone who did fairly...

00:08:08.000 Diane Sawyer or some of the people that did like longer form, Barbara Walters, longer form interviews.

00:08:14.000 But it's more rare than not.

00:08:16.000 And even those were weird, right?

00:08:17.000 Oh, I can't stand them. 0.99

00:08:19.000 Because there's fucking camera people there. 1.00

00:08:20.000 Have you ever done those where people are moving around and shit? 1.00

00:08:23.000 And you're like, hey, stop fucking moving. 0.99

00:08:24.000 You guys are super distracting. 0.97

00:08:26.000 I don't know how that format ever really took off, because through today's eyes, it just looks like an inferior product and viewing experience, where you have, you know, two people sitting there, like the way David Letterman or Jay Leno used to do it, 0.87

00:08:42.000 and that's not a knock on them personally, it's just the format of the show, it's a contrived conversation in a three or four minute soundbite, and then, you know, you cut to the fucking band, and then you cut to the audience and see grandma like, ah!

00:08:55.000 It just seems so contrived and so fake.

00:08:57.000 And when you compare that to today with podcasts, even if I don't necessarily agree with whoever the podcaster is, whether it's political or comedy or whatever, you still get something that's more raw.

00:09:07.000 And just the fact that it's more raw lands more because it feels more real.

00:09:11.000 And so it touches on something that's important.

00:09:13.000 Yeah, it's more, it doesn't feel unusual.

00:09:18.000 Like, it's a normal kind of a conversation, whereas a Tonight Show type deal, where someone's at the set, I mean, all that stuff is really stolen from Steve Allen.

00:09:27.000 Like, from the 19, what was it?

00:09:29.000 50s, I guess?

00:09:30.000 I have no idea.

00:09:30.000 That's the most generic name I've ever heard.

00:09:32.000 Steve Allen.

00:09:33.000 You don't know who Steve Allen is?

00:09:33.000 I don't think I do.

00:09:34.000 I could look him up.

00:09:35.000 Steve Allen was the original host of The Tonight Show, and then it was Jack Parr, and then it was Johnny Carson.

00:09:40.000 Pretty sure.

00:09:40.000 Pretty sure that's right.

00:09:41.000 See, my memory starts with Johnny Carson.

00:09:43.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 And I wasn't even alive when he was doing his thing, but that's the one I know.

00:09:46.000 Steve Allen's like a super old school guy with a very obvious toupee, like one of them oldie kind of, you know what I mean?

00:09:53.000 Old school kind of comedians.

00:09:55.000 That's Steve Allen.

00:09:56.000 Oh, I definitely don't know that guy.

00:09:57.000 Yeah, Steve Allen with Sammy Davis Show.

00:09:59.000 Was it called The Steve Allen Show at first?

00:10:03.000 1961?

00:10:04.000 Make that small?

00:10:05.000 He goes, okay, The Steve Allen Show from 1956 to 1960. When was he?

00:10:13.000 But didn't he host The Tonight Show?

00:10:16.000 Google Steve Allen The Tonight Show.

00:10:19.000 Okay.

00:10:20.000 The Steve Allen Show is the first in a series of primetime spinoffs from The Tonight Show.

00:10:24.000 Oh! 0.60

00:10:24.000 So he had The Tonight Show, all which were named after the host Jack Parr, 62 to 65, and Jay Leno. 0.60

00:10:33.000 So, who would follow in Allen's footsteps?

00:10:37.000 That's weird.

00:10:38.000 But wait a minute, I'm confused.

00:10:40.000 I thought Steve Allen was the host of The Tonight Show at one point in time.

00:10:44.000 Because it's saying the Steve Allen show...

00:10:46.000 It says it was a spin-off.

00:10:48.000 A spin-off from The Tonight Show, but I thought he was the host.

00:10:51.000 It says all of which were after the host, Jack Parr and Jay...

00:10:55.000 Okay.

00:10:57.000 Interesting.

00:10:58.000 So wasn't Bob Hope one of the originals, or is that not the same format?

00:11:01.000 I think that's a totally different thing.

00:11:03.000 Okay.

00:11:03.000 I don't think Bob Hope was...

00:11:05.000 Well, let's see.

00:11:06.000 I know that Joan Rivers hosted it for a little bit, but she was like a fill-in. 1.00

00:11:10.000 There you go.

00:11:11.000 Steve Allen, you're right.

00:11:12.000 1954, that's right.

00:11:13.000 Okay, so Steve Allen was the original host.

00:11:15.000 Oh, and then there was Ernie Kovacs. 0.99

00:11:17.000 Look at all these different fucking hosts! 0.99

00:11:19.000 I didn't know about all these people. 0.99

00:11:20.000 Ernie Kovacs, he started in 56. So Steve Allen started The Tonight Show in 1954, and it went on until 1957. Then Ernie Kovacs only did it for a couple of months.

00:11:33.000 What?

00:11:33.000 They're almost like guestos.

00:11:36.000 Maybe, right?

00:11:37.000 Oh, yeah, because it says just a few days.

00:11:39.000 Yeah, right?

00:11:40.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:11:40.000 This guy did it for six months.

00:11:42.000 This Jack Lascouli did it for six months.

00:11:47.000 Like, if you're like, yeah, my father used to host The Tonight Show.

00:11:49.000 His name was Jack Lascouli. 1.00

00:11:51.000 I'd be like, shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:11:52.000 Your dad didn't host shit. 1.00

00:11:55.000 But meanwhile, he did, and I'm wrong. 1.00

00:11:56.000 Go back to that.

00:12:00.000 Al Jasbo. 1.00

00:12:01.000 His name was Jasbo Collins.

00:12:03.000 If you told me that that was a real person, I'd be like, there's no one.

00:12:06.000 American disc jockey and musician, it says.

00:12:09.000 And then Jack Parr.

00:12:10.000 Who hosted The Tonight Show.

00:12:11.000 So Jack Parr did it from 57 to 62. Look at that picture.

00:12:15.000 Look at that. 0.98

00:12:15.000 He looks like Pee Wee Herman, who got caught jerking off in the theater. 0.98

00:12:20.000 Remember that? 0.99

00:12:21.000 Remember that?

00:12:22.000 I do, yeah.

00:12:23.000 He was like one of the first people to get canceled.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:12:27.000 Was he arrested for that?

00:12:28.000 I believe he was.

00:12:29.000 Did he go to prison?

00:12:30.000 I think he went to jail.

00:12:31.000 I don't think he went to prison.

00:12:32.000 I think they arrested him and then released him.

00:12:33.000 So here's a question.

00:12:34.000 Was it like one of those, you know how they used to have like the porn theaters?

00:12:38.000 Yes.

00:12:38.000 Is that where he was beaten off?

00:12:39.000 Yes.

00:12:40.000 Yes.

00:12:41.000 Isn't that like the point of those things?

00:12:42.000 That's what I thought.

00:12:43.000 And I think they were trying to clean those places up. 1.00

00:12:44.000 Because I think it's a gay porn theater. 1.00

00:12:47.000 So it's probably rooted in homophobia. 1.00

00:12:49.000 Because I don't think they're stopping people from jerking off in regular theaters that show porn. 0.99

00:12:53.000 Oh, that's an interesting theory. 0.99

00:12:54.000 I never thought of that before.

00:12:55.000 There was a theater right down the street from my friend Eddie's house.

00:12:59.000 He used to live in West Hollywood.

00:13:01.000 And it was always the hardest of hardcore porn. 0.99

00:13:05.000 Gay porn that they were playing there. 0.99

00:13:07.000 And it was all like... 0.99

00:13:09.000 Black poles white holes like that kind of shit and it's like that's what was on the marquee You know the boys of summer and you know you'd have like all these guys like wearing Bikinis like hugging on each other and you would drive by it like I would always laugh at the different titles of the So here's a question. 1.00

00:13:26.000 Who in today's day and age, if anybody, actually goes to those giant, like, porn stores? 0.99

00:13:31.000 Those adult-themed...

00:13:32.000 They still exist.

00:13:33.000 They still exist.

00:13:34.000 Because I passed a bunch of them coming here.

00:13:36.000 Out here in the South, they exist.

00:13:38.000 A lot of them in Texas.

00:13:39.000 A lot of them in Tennessee, I think we saw a bunch.

00:13:41.000 And I'm sitting there like, hold on.

00:13:42.000 I thought these were the conservative states where, like, they care about family values and all that stuff.

00:13:45.000 And then you got these big, giant porn stores.

00:13:48.000 I found that fascinating.

00:13:49.000 It is fascinating.

00:13:50.000 But who goes to that?

00:13:50.000 Is it, like, some lonely trucker who's 78 and he doesn't know that there's an internet?

00:13:54.000 Right.

00:13:55.000 Well, what do you get out of those places?

00:13:57.000 They're selling DVDs?

00:13:58.000 Is that what they're selling?

00:13:59.000 I don't know.

00:14:00.000 I've never been in one of them.

00:14:01.000 Who's selling DVDs anymore?

00:14:03.000 That's another good question.

00:14:04.000 I have no idea.

00:14:04.000 But there's obviously some percentage of people who haven't really caught up to the times.

00:14:09.000 And so, like, I looked at this survey recently, and Pornhub was, like, number one in terms of people's porn viewing habits.

00:14:15.000 But then, like, five or six things in, getting, like, 3% was porn.com.

00:14:21.000 And I was like, that's definitely some old dude who's sitting there, doesn't know any porn sites, and he's like, what if I go to porn.com?

00:14:27.000 Is it going to show me some big hooters?

00:14:29.000 Maybe it's a really good site.

00:14:31.000 Maybe we shouldn't be knocking it.

00:14:32.000 I don't know.

00:14:33.000 Do you think that those big warehouses are selling, like, toys, maybe?

00:14:36.000 It's probably everything, anything you could think of with sex. 1.00

00:14:38.000 BDSM stuff, leather shit. 1.00

00:14:40.000 Right, leather shit. 1.00

00:14:42.000 Non-stop. 1.00

00:14:42.000 Probably some leather shit. 1.00

00:14:44.000 But it's funny to me that like, and they also have those porn star expos, and there's people who follow these porn stars in a way that's like, they base their identity around it. 0.99

00:14:55.000 Like there will be porn stars who are very niche famous, and they have a line of dudes who are like a thousand long, who are just waiting to get their one moment.

00:15:03.000 With the porn star. 0.85

00:15:04.000 Imagine if you're that gal and you got to take a picture with these guys and they put their hands on you and grab you and some of them probably have jizz in their hands. 0.99

00:15:12.000 On purpose, right?

00:15:13.000 Just so they can mark you.

00:15:16.000 It's a dark thought, but I mean, it's gotta happen, right?

00:15:19.000 That's definitely never happened.

00:15:21.000 Yeah, they probably would, if I was one of them gals, I would make them spray their hands down and give them a thick towel. 1.00

00:15:27.000 Like, rub your hands down.

00:15:29.000 Okay, now we can take a picture.

00:15:30.000 I wonder how big they really are, though, because it's, I mean, still, you feel socially like a lot of that stuff is underground, but is it really underground?

00:15:39.000 It's not.

00:15:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:39.000 That's my point.

00:15:40.000 They have those expos in L.A. Right.

00:15:42.000 Where they were doing it at a big, one of them big convention centers.

00:15:45.000 They're big things.

00:15:46.000 Right, yeah.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, they're big deals.

00:15:47.000 And people don't feel, you know, I mean, credit to them, but people don't feel, like, weird going in there and being seen at them and being around other people who are like, hey, I'm fucking horny. 0.93

00:15:55.000 You horny? 0.88

00:15:56.000 Sure, I'm horny. 1.00

00:15:57.000 I bet there's a lot of fanny packs in those places. 0.99

00:15:59.000 Ha ha! 0.86

00:16:01.000 And this is coming from a guy who wears a fanny pack.

00:16:03.000 You love them.

00:16:03.000 You love those fanny packs.

00:16:04.000 I can't talk.

00:16:05.000 Remember I wore the phone clip a few times ago when you were commenting?

00:16:08.000 Phone clip is fanny pack adjacent.

00:16:11.000 It certainly is.

00:16:12.000 It's kind of in the neighborhood.

00:16:13.000 Yeah.

00:16:13.000 No, I liked them though.

00:16:14.000 Their fucking fanny packs are great. 1.00

00:16:15.000 I don't give a shit what anybody says. 1.00

00:16:17.000 I wear them all the time. 0.99

00:16:18.000 I've never given those a fair chance.

00:16:20.000 I got one for you.

00:16:20.000 Oh, you do?

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 Do you want one?

00:16:23.000 Yes?

00:16:24.000 No, you won't wear it.

00:16:25.000 You won't wear it.

00:16:25.000 You're scared.

00:16:26.000 A little bit.

00:16:26.000 Would you be scared?

00:16:27.000 A little bit.

00:16:28.000 I mean, okay, listen.

00:16:29.000 I'll give it a test drive.

00:16:30.000 Come on, man!

00:16:30.000 I'll give it a test drive, Joe Biden.

00:16:32.000 Joe Biden owns Come On Man, though.

00:16:34.000 That is true.

00:16:35.000 He really does.

00:16:36.000 Come on, man!

00:16:37.000 Crystal was just showing me a video that he flipped out at some reporter today.

00:16:40.000 Did you see this? 1.00

00:16:41.000 He's at this summit with Putin, and Biden lost his shit. 1.00

00:16:44.000 He was asked a question that he didn't like. 1.00

00:16:45.000 He turned around and started yelling.

00:16:47.000 No.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, no.

00:16:48.000 He was very cranky, cranky old man status in this.

00:16:51.000 I think it's from Fox News, Jamie, if you want to show Joe that.

00:16:54.000 He's legitimately falling apart, and it's really sad.

00:16:57.000 You know what's really weird, though, is the media is, first of all, the left-wing media completely ignoring how odd it is the way he behaves.

00:17:06.000 Like, the one nine-year-old girl that was sitting there with her legs crossed, like, look at her over there, look at her. 0.99

00:17:11.000 Like a 19-year-old girl with her legs crossed. 1.00

00:17:13.000 Like, what the fuck are you saying? 1.00

00:17:15.000 Like, what is that? 0.99

00:17:18.000 But then they'll, like, pretend things are happening that aren't.

00:17:22.000 Like, Glenn Greenwald called it out today on Twitter.

00:17:25.000 I was reading his Twitter feed.

00:17:27.000 Some guy was talking about how...

00:17:30.000 Putin and Biden shook hands and then how Putin looked away and then Biden's looking him in the eyes as if he's trying to say that in any way Putin It's scared of Joe Biden.

00:17:45.000 That Joe Biden is like dominating Putin.

00:17:49.000 Like, what if bizarre...

00:17:51.000 Like, and Glenn described it perfectly.

00:17:53.000 Like, go to Glenn Greenwald's Twitter, because it's so strange.

00:17:56.000 Because they do this thing where these world leaders, they shake hands and they look at the camera.

00:18:00.000 And they shake hands and they look at the press.

00:18:02.000 And so in that moment...

00:18:05.000 Biden had forgotten to look at the press.

00:18:07.000 And he's making it seem like Biden's staring him down.

00:18:11.000 He's showing him what a real man's like. 0.68

00:18:13.000 It's like a bizarre fantasy.

00:18:16.000 Like, almost like a pro wrestling thing.

00:18:18.000 Like, you know that you can't possibly believe what you're saying is true. 1.00

00:18:22.000 That Putin, who's a fucking straight-up killer. 1.00

00:18:25.000 Literally. 1.00

00:18:25.000 And a judo black belt. 1.00

00:18:27.000 Who's the fucking head of the Soviet Union, well, whatever. 0.99

00:18:30.000 Former Soviet Union, Russia, yeah. 1.00

00:18:31.000 Forever! 0.72

00:18:32.000 And probably will be until he dies. 1.00

00:18:34.000 Killed a gang of people. 1.00

00:18:36.000 Killed a bunch of people who don't like him. 1.00

00:18:37.000 Killed a bunch of people who talk shit about him. 1.00

00:18:39.000 Made journalists disappear allegedly. 1.00

00:18:41.000 Allegedly, all those things I said allegedly.

00:18:44.000 Oh, there's the handshake one, okay.

00:18:45.000 They look at each other, shaking the eye.

00:18:46.000 And then Putin looks away to the press.

00:18:49.000 Oh, they're making something out of that.

00:18:51.000 Imagine.

00:18:52.000 Look at this.

00:18:52.000 But look at this.

00:18:53.000 Scroll up, please.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, but look at what he said.

00:18:56.000 Scroll.

00:18:56.000 No, no.

00:18:56.000 Where you had it, so I could see it.

00:18:58.000 Just...

00:18:59.000 The horse.

00:19:00.000 Biden looked Putin in the eye.

00:19:02.000 Putin immediately looked away.

00:19:04.000 What?

00:19:05.000 But go to Greenwald's, because the way he covered it is hilarious.

00:19:09.000 The way Greenwald made fun of him.

00:19:12.000 Well, if you go click show this thread.

00:19:17.000 So, scroll down there.

00:19:19.000 Scroll.

00:19:20.000 Right there.

00:19:20.000 Nope.

00:19:20.000 Back.

00:19:21.000 Right there.

00:19:21.000 The obsession over who squeezed whose hands hardest.

00:19:24.000 Who led- I guess he meant let go.

00:19:27.000 Who let go first of the grip?

00:19:29.000 Whose body language shows masculine authority? 0.83

00:19:31.000 And who shows submission? 1.00

00:19:33.000 It's fucking demented. 0.99

00:19:35.000 A bunch of liberal professionals not allowed to speak this way except here. 1.00

00:19:38.000 So true.

00:19:39.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:19:41.000 He said, Joe Biden can barely complete a sentence.

00:19:43.000 Half the time he drifts off in the middle of his words.

00:19:45.000 He's constantly bowing his head and muttering about how he'll get in trouble if he continues. 0.99

00:19:50.000 Nobody is fucking afraid of him. 0.99

00:19:52.000 Stop feeding liberal hordes this warped pablum. 1.00

00:19:56.000 Pablum.

00:19:56.000 That's a weird word.

00:19:57.000 Pablum.

00:19:59.000 Pablum.

00:20:00.000 You ever use that word, Jamie?

00:20:02.000 Pablum's a good word.

00:20:03.000 So it's interesting because this is why people hate the media, right?

00:20:07.000 Everybody feels like they're arguing more from a narrative than they are just sort of objectively describing what's happening.

00:20:12.000 And with Biden, it's particularly weird because early on in the Democratic primary, when the media was convinced it's not going to be Biden, it's going to be Pete Buttigieg, or it's going to be Kamala Harris, or it's going to be, you know, whoever, fill in the blank with whoever imploded and was terrible.

00:20:27.000 They actually were open and honest about the fact, for example, that Joe Biden's sort of sundowning and he's not all there and he can't really complete full sentences.

00:20:34.000 So they actually were the ones who brought it up in debates with him, for example.

00:20:39.000 Julian Castro very famously was like, do you even know what you just said like five seconds ago?

00:20:43.000 This was a big moment in the debate.

00:20:44.000 And so the media would openly talk about it.

00:20:46.000 I don't know if Joe's all there anymore.

00:20:47.000 But the second that he got the nomination...

00:20:50.000 They stopped.

00:20:51.000 Nobody's allowed to say it.

00:20:52.000 And if you say it, you're a right winger.

00:20:55.000 Exactly. 0.96

00:20:55.000 Even though, you know, I was the biggest Bernie supporter out there and I was like, here's a compilation of Joe Biden clearly having some mental issues. 0.96

00:21:03.000 And so it was just incredibly dishonest.

00:21:06.000 And to your point on...

00:21:12.000 Yeah.

00:21:17.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 We're good to go.

00:21:51.000 Which is a pipeline that's going to greatly help Russia because it makes it so that Russian oil and gas is going to be used in Germany now.

00:21:57.000 And so that's a very peaceful move.

00:22:00.000 That's not hawkish.

00:22:01.000 That's not raising tensions.

00:22:02.000 So he's basically giving Putin something that Putin wants, which again, I actually agree with that.

00:22:06.000 I see no problem with the pipeline, but they're framing it as if like, Joe Biden, he's so weak and he's, you know, Vladimir Putin, or excuse me, Joe Biden is so strong and he's dominating Vladimir Putin.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, I don't understand why they think that they can do that and that people won't be more hesitant to believe the news.

00:22:27.000 Dude, you would be surprised at...

00:22:29.000 Unfortunately, some of this stuff lands.

00:22:31.000 There is a backlash to it, but some of this stuff lands.

00:22:33.000 I saw a great Pew poll the other day.

00:22:34.000 When it came to Donald Trump, it was like over 70% of the time they talked about him, they would talk about his, like, Yeah.

00:23:04.000 So there was this huge dichotomy in how they discussed the presidents, and obviously the ones who they liked, they'd go a little softer on when it came to Trump and they despised him.

00:23:15.000 And the thing that drives me crazy, Joe, is that there are a lot of ways to go after Trump that are actually very intelligent that I would agree with.

00:23:21.000 When you stick to policy, I disagree with him on almost everything when it comes to policy, but they didn't do that.

00:23:25.000 Right.

00:23:25.000 It was all about, you know, he's a bad person.

00:23:28.000 Character assassination. 0.92

00:23:28.000 Yeah, character assassination all day long, which is gross. 0.92

00:23:30.000 Do you think that Biden is making actual decisions?

00:23:36.000 That's a good question.

00:23:38.000 I don't think I would ever say that about any other president.

00:23:41.000 Other than Trump.

00:23:42.000 Some of the Trump stuff, I was like, I wonder how much he pawns off on the generals. 1.00

00:23:46.000 Well, W. Bush was also an idiot, too. 1.00

00:23:48.000 But we all knew that Dick Cheney was kind of... 1.00

00:23:50.000 He was pulling the puppet strings, yeah.

00:23:51.000 So in the case of Biden, I think it's...

00:23:54.000 50-50.

00:23:55.000 I think some of the stuff he probably makes and some of the stuff he doesn't.

00:23:57.000 I mean, he clearly is having struggles mentally and he's getting very old and I think everybody around him knows that.

00:24:02.000 But a lot of the big decisions, I'm sure they have to land on his desk.

00:24:05.000 What did they do for him during the debates with Trump when he was sharp?

00:24:10.000 The one debate. 0.99

00:24:11.000 They had to, and I said this too with the Bernie debate as well, I really, and this is all speculation, I just want everybody to know, I have no facts on this, I'm talking out of my ass. 0.97

00:24:18.000 But yeah, I think he was on some sort of upper that allowed him to be sharp. 0.95

00:24:22.000 I feel like it had to be more than that.

00:24:24.000 More than just an upper.

00:24:26.000 So you think it's some, like, anti...

00:24:27.000 I don't know.

00:24:28.000 ...psychotic or...

00:24:28.000 But he was in the groove.

00:24:30.000 Like, he acted like a normal person.

00:24:32.000 Well, when he was younger, he actually, again, I don't agree with him politically.

00:24:35.000 I think he's a terrible corporatist, but he was sharp in terms of debating.

00:24:38.000 There was that debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. You remember that?

00:24:41.000 He made Paul Ryan look like a little baby.

00:24:43.000 Oh, really?

00:24:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:44.000 The 2012 VP debate?

00:24:46.000 It was amazing.

00:24:47.000 You're such a politics fan.

00:24:48.000 You talk about debates like some people talk about playoff games.

00:24:52.000 And guess what?

00:24:52.000 I watch them like that too.

00:24:54.000 I got my popcorn.

00:24:55.000 I got Twitter up.

00:24:55.000 I'm live tweeting them.

00:24:56.000 I get all excited and into it.

00:24:58.000 Have you always been like this about politics?

00:24:59.000 When did you get really into politics?

00:25:02.000 That's a great question.

00:25:03.000 So I had to be probably high school age, maybe a little bit younger than that.

00:25:09.000 I started reading Noam Chomsky.

00:25:11.000 I started reading Richard Dawkins.

00:25:13.000 I got really into...

00:25:14.000 You know, it's interesting because I always sort of...

00:25:16.000 Even though I'm on the left, I always sort of had a...

00:25:19.000 A wide variety of media stuff that I took in. 0.99

00:25:22.000 And so I remember when I was younger watching Bill O'Reilly and being like fascinated that his delivery was so compelling, but the substance was fucking dumb and terrible. 0.99

00:25:33.000 Arguing for war, making shitty points, but I'm like, this guy's a fucking compelling speaker. 0.99

00:25:37.000 Arguing about the tide. 0.99

00:25:39.000 Oh my God.

00:25:40.000 Remember that?

00:25:40.000 With the atheist guy?

00:25:42.000 That's why he believes in God.

00:25:43.000 The tide goes in, tide goes out.

00:25:45.000 You can't explain that.

00:25:46.000 Can't explain that.

00:25:47.000 Sun goes up, sun goes down, tide goes in, tide goes out.

00:25:50.000 What do you think that was all about?

00:25:51.000 Did he plan that?

00:25:52.000 When someone does something that's that goofy, is he swinging off the...

00:25:56.000 Really?

00:25:56.000 No, I do.

00:25:57.000 And you hear this argument from a lot of people, this idea that there's so much complexity in the universe, but there's so much order as well in the universe, that like, well, how can this come out of nothing?

00:26:07.000 It's impossible for this to come out of nothing.

00:26:09.000 You know, there's plenty of people who believe that.

00:26:10.000 Such a weird argument.

00:26:12.000 Why is it impossible for everything to come out of nothing?

00:26:16.000 Because everything is here.

00:26:18.000 You know it's here.

00:26:19.000 It's happened.

00:26:21.000 And we know that if you follow the Big Bang Theory, they can literally find the signatures for the radiation that cause it.

00:26:30.000 They kind of have a map that they can piece together if you want to follow it.

00:26:33.000 Anybody that would say that there's no way, well, not only is there a way, they can show you all the steps.

00:26:41.000 They can show you the transitionary fossils.

00:26:44.000 They can show you single-celled organisms.

00:26:45.000 They can show you how these organisms exist in these cruel and difficult environments, and that they slowly adapt to different environments.

00:26:55.000 It's all laid out, man.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, there's a great counter-argument to that that I found really compelling, a counter-argument to the God point.

00:27:03.000 Like, if God created everything because everything's so complex and needs to have a creator, then that God who created everything would need to be infinitely more complex than the thing that they created.

00:27:14.000 So then you're just passing the buck and saying, well, now was there a super God who created the God?

00:27:18.000 And then was there a super, super God who created the super God?

00:27:21.000 Good point.

00:27:21.000 And so you could just extrapolate that ad infinitum.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, or God has always been around.

00:27:26.000 And it's our ideas of birth and death are related to our own biological limitations, and God doesn't have those.

00:27:31.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.93

00:27:32.000 I mean, I don't know what your thoughts are on this stuff, but I'm just humble in the face of all of it, and I always say I have no fucking idea. 0.86

00:27:38.000 Oh, you have to. 0.68

00:27:39.000 You know, I don't know anything about it.

00:27:40.000 What did you show me, Jamie?

00:27:41.000 This video went around last week.

00:27:43.000 It almost seems fake.

00:27:45.000 I don't think it is, just like he's saying with Bill O'Reilly.

00:27:47.000 Like, there's a representative asking if the...

00:27:51.000 The Forest Service or land management can change the orbit of the moon so that climate change can be alleviated.

00:27:59.000 The Forest Service and the BLM, you want very much to work on the issue of climate change.

00:28:07.000 I was informed by the past director of NASA that they have found that The Moon's orbit is changing slightly, and so is the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

00:28:19.000 We know there's been significant solar flare activity.

00:28:25.000 And so, is there anything that the National Forest Service or BLM can do to change the course of the Moon's orbit or the Earth's orbit around the Sun?

00:28:39.000 Obviously, that would have profound effects on our climate.

00:28:47.000 He's my favorite Republican congressman. 1.00

00:28:49.000 He's so dumb. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Who put that up? 1.00

00:28:51.000 Who is this guy?

00:28:51.000 It's Forbes.

00:28:52.000 He's from here.

00:28:53.000 He's from Texas.

00:28:54.000 His name's Louie Gohmert.

00:28:55.000 Of course he's from Texas.

00:28:56.000 How dare you. 1.00

00:28:56.000 He's without a doubt the most fun Republican congressperson because he's got a highlight reel that's endless of him saying shit like that. 1.00

00:29:04.000 Oh, I need to see it. 0.93

00:29:05.000 Please find more. 0.92

00:29:07.000 Can you imagine what a giant, colossal fuck-up it would be if you let a guy like that do an experiment where you move the moon. 0.96

00:29:15.000 We're going to move the moon a little bit. 0.99

00:29:17.000 I would love to see the proposals of people that are going to take the money he's offering to move the fucking moon. 0.96

00:29:22.000 Just moving a little bit. 0.94

00:29:23.000 Just moving a little bit further out. 0.97

00:29:25.000 Shoot a laser at it. 0.99

00:29:27.000 So this guy, he said that Hillary Clinton, had she been elected, she would have banned Christianity. 0.99

00:29:33.000 Oh, wow.

00:29:34.000 That would have been a bold move.

00:29:35.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 This guy, he also thought that Barack Obama was going to resurrect the Ottoman Empire.

00:29:40.000 In a speech he gave on the floor in Congress.

00:29:42.000 He said it.

00:29:43.000 Speech on the floor of Congress.

00:29:44.000 He said he's afraid that Obama will resurrect the Ottoman Empire.

00:29:50.000 No, this guy's great.

00:29:52.000 He's literally one of my favorites.

00:29:53.000 How did he get elected?

00:29:54.000 Is he like one of them weird districts where there's only like 14 farmers?

00:29:57.000 Very likely, yes, that's the case.

00:29:59.000 I don't know how big his district is, but he's been in there for a while.

00:30:02.000 He's a good man.

00:30:02.000 He's been in there for a long time.

00:30:03.000 He takes care of the cows.

00:30:05.000 He's one of my favorites, for sure.

00:30:06.000 That whole thing?

00:30:08.000 Is it possible the Bureau of Land Management?

00:30:10.000 That's BLM, not Black Lives Matter, by the way.

00:30:13.000 Oh, that's what you're talking about.

00:30:14.000 For the people that think BLM. I was a little confused at that.

00:30:16.000 I was like, wait.

00:30:17.000 Bureau of Land Management is what he's talking about.

00:30:19.000 He also famously said one time, don't cast aspersions on my asparagus in the middle of a committee hearing.

00:30:26.000 He thought he was saying something else, but he said those words. 0.99

00:30:30.000 Imagine the thought that the Bureau of Land Management deals with, like, forests and shit. 0.99

00:30:36.000 They deal with, like, the wilderness. 0.99

00:30:38.000 This is places where people...

00:30:38.000 BLM land is, like, land where people hunt on.

00:30:41.000 And he's like, go move the moon.

00:30:42.000 Like, he didn't even know that NASA's responsible for that.

00:30:46.000 But NASA can't even move the moon! 1.00

00:30:48.000 Are you talking about something that's literally, like...

00:30:50.000 What is the moon?

00:30:51.000 Like, a sixth Earth's size or something?

00:30:53.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 Sixth Earth's gravity?

00:30:55.000 The moon.

00:30:55.000 How big is the moon?

00:30:59.000 It's smaller than that, I think.

00:31:00.000 I think it's smaller than a sixth of the Earth's size.

00:31:02.000 It's not possible to move it.

00:31:03.000 It's not possible to move it.

00:31:04.000 Yeah, you never know.

00:31:05.000 Just get the Bureau of Land Management behind it.

00:31:08.000 What we're going to do is shoot trees at it.

00:31:11.000 One quarter of the Earth's diameter. 0.67

00:31:12.000 Oh.

00:31:13.000 Diameter, though, so weird words to use about size.

00:31:17.000 So, okay.

00:31:18.000 So, like, physical mass as in weight.

00:31:20.000 One quarter.

00:31:21.000 Why did I think it was big?

00:31:22.000 I knew it was one sixth of the Earth's gravity.

00:31:25.000 Either way.

00:31:26.000 Or is that Mars?

00:31:27.000 A quarter is bigger than what you were saying.

00:31:29.000 It makes it bigger.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 No, it is bigger.

00:31:31.000 But I'm saying, I thought it was one-sixth the Earth's gravity, but I don't think that's even correct.

00:31:36.000 Is that right?

00:31:39.000 Because I think that's Mars.

00:31:40.000 I'm thinking of Mars as one-sixth the Earth's gravity.

00:31:43.000 Well, it's...

00:31:46.000 It says it's 1.6 meters per second.

00:31:48.000 Earth says it's 9.8 times 6. That's close.

00:31:51.000 Yeah, so it is.

00:31:53.000 What is Mars?

00:31:54.000 Mars is like a quarter of Earth's gravity, I think.

00:31:56.000 Something along those lines.

00:31:58.000 There used to be, was it life on Mars?

00:32:02.000 I don't mean, obviously, advanced life.

00:32:04.000 I mean, like, you know.

00:32:05.000 There was something.

00:32:06.000 There was something.

00:32:06.000 Was it Mars?

00:32:07.000 One of the theories as to how we started to exist is some sort of meteor or whatever coming from Mars and landing here in some primordial soup, sparking some sort of biological organism.

00:32:18.000 So that would mean we're all technically Martians, if that's true.

00:32:20.000 It's called panspermia.

00:32:22.000 Yeah, it's a theory that biological material, like amino acids and things like that, are carried on asteroids.

00:32:30.000 They slam into Earth.

00:32:32.000 It's also a theory about mushrooms, because apparently mushroom spores can survive in a vacuum.

00:32:37.000 Paul Stamets explained this to me.

00:32:39.000 I want you to hear what Louis...

00:32:42.000 No worries.

00:32:43.000 Paul Stamets explained it to me in a way that I will not be able to recreate, but that the psilocybin mushrooms, maybe it was Dennis McKenna, psilocybin mushrooms in particular are so unusual that they're not connected to any other life form on Earth,

00:32:59.000 like in a direct way.

00:33:00.000 Whoa.

00:33:00.000 We can say, well, it's just like this, or it's just like that.

00:33:03.000 He was explaining something about it, and I'm going to fuck it up, and I probably already did.

00:33:07.000 That's intense, though. 0.91

00:33:08.000 I've never heard that before, and that's really, really intense.

00:33:10.000 The idea is that they're aliens.

00:33:12.000 That it is an alien life.

00:33:14.000 And that's one of the reasons why when you take them, you feel like you are communicating with aliens.

00:33:18.000 Because that's how they communicate with you. 0.98

00:33:19.000 That would be a complete mindfuck if that were real. 0.98

00:33:22.000 It might be. 0.85

00:33:23.000 I mean, so there's a lot I want to ask you about psychedelics.

00:33:26.000 Because, you know, I was telling you before the show that...

00:33:29.000 The last time we spoke, I told you I'm notorious for getting way too high and feeling paranoid, and I would say that 50 or 60% of the times in my life that I smoked weed, I didn't do it a lot, but, you know, whatever, 20 or 30 times, and at least half the time, I felt really paranoid, to the point where I'd be, like,

00:33:44.000 curled up in the fetal position on my bed, afraid that something's gonna happen, and it's like, what am I fucking afraid? 0.62

00:33:48.000 I'm totally fine, I don't know why I'm afraid, but I was just afraid!

00:33:51.000 Right? 0.88

00:33:51.000 So, but you told me, it was in one of our previous podcasts, you're like, hey, jackass, just take a couple hits. 0.88

00:33:56.000 That's what you're supposed to do. 1.00

00:33:57.000 You're not supposed to smoke half a blunt to the face like an idiot. 1.00

00:34:00.000 Like a rapper. 1.00

00:34:01.000 And that's what I did. 1.00

00:34:02.000 I did it like this fucking awkward, skinny teenager smoking half a blunt to the face. 1.00

00:34:07.000 So anyway, when I took two or three hits, I was like, fuck. 1.00

00:34:11.000 Joe is right. 0.99

00:34:11.000 This stuff is nice. 0.99

00:34:12.000 That's nice.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, so what I would feel is the most prominent thing that happened every time I did it is I would forget everything that happened in the day previously to that point.

00:34:24.000 So whereas previously I'd have some sort of subconscious map of my whole day and where I was throughout the day, it made it so that that was all gone.

00:34:31.000 And now I was just in the moment in the here and now.

00:34:34.000 The other thing it did is, I describe it as heady.

00:34:37.000 It made me very analytical, but analytical in the moment, where I was thinking of things I wouldn't normally think of.

00:34:43.000 And other than that, it's sort of like, Relaxed me.

00:34:47.000 And it also makes, I feel like it makes touch feel different.

00:34:50.000 It makes touch feel like more intense.

00:34:52.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:53.000 So those were my experiences.

00:34:55.000 And now we're thinking about potentially psychedelics, so mushrooms.

00:35:02.000 And, you know, I need some guidance.

00:35:04.000 I think microdosing is the way to go up front because, to be honest, I'm afraid if I go deeper than that.

00:35:10.000 What should I expect from a microdose if I do it?

00:35:12.000 Well, a genuine microdose essentially brings you one notch above sobriety.

00:35:18.000 And it's almost just like, oh, just a little this.

00:35:22.000 Just a little this.

00:35:23.000 Is it euphoric?

00:35:24.000 You feel euphoric?

00:35:24.000 Yeah, you feel nice.

00:35:25.000 You feel nice.

00:35:26.000 You feel a little calmer, a little more connected to things.

00:35:29.000 You feel like a little alleviation in anxiety.

00:35:33.000 There's some work that's been done in the past.

00:35:37.000 God, I can't remember the scientist's name, but McKinney used to bring him up all the time.

00:35:41.000 That showed an increase in visual acuity and edge detection, meaning when people were on low doses of psilocybin, you can detect, like you see I have two parallel lines and one deviates slightly, you would be able to tell quicker with psilocybin than you would in sobriety.

00:35:59.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:36:00.000 Yeah, so they did several tests on this and they showed a marked increase in visual acuity for the people that took psilocybin.

00:36:08.000 So do you think that it makes you tap into something that's just as real as normal sober world that we can't access normally?

00:36:19.000 Do you think that's a potential?

00:36:23.000 It's hard to say, right?

00:36:24.000 Because if you were talking to a neuroscientist and you describe the effects of psychedelics, they would probably say something is severely perturbing your visual cortex.

00:36:32.000 It's involved With all these chemicals and you're getting this distortion, you're getting this hallucination, and it feels amazing because, you know, you're going...

00:36:41.000 It seems real because it's like these compounds are affecting the actual visuals that you receive, especially when you close your eyes.

00:36:50.000 You see these wild, crazy, like, Egyptian iconography and weird, crazy stuff, but... 1.00

00:36:57.000 A hardcore cynic would say, this is just because a chemical is perturbing your consciousness.

00:37:03.000 And it's just whatever exists normally that interprets the world around you, now it's interpreting through this stuff that's not supposed to be there, and this stuff has a wild reaction.

00:37:14.000 Now, if you were more, I would say open-minded, but really the word is probably like true believer.

00:37:21.000 That's the better expression.

00:37:23.000 Like some people go, this is a chemical gateway to enlightenment and spirituality.

00:37:28.000 I'm like in the middle.

00:37:29.000 I'm like, I don't know.

00:37:31.000 I don't know what's happening, but...

00:37:33.000 Here's my thought on it.

00:37:35.000 If there was a thing that you could do, like a doorway you could go into or a pill that you could take, like imagine if, you know, angels came down from heaven and they said, listen, we have a pill that you can take any time you want to experience divine wisdom.

00:37:53.000 And it's real.

00:37:55.000 You'll experience divine wisdom.

00:37:56.000 You'll be in the presence of God and pure love.

00:38:00.000 And all of the souls from all of the people that have ever lived will caress you with wisdom and honesty and knowledge, and then you'll come back down to normal and exist in normal life.

00:38:12.000 The experience you would have is exactly the same as the experience you would have if you're on a heavy dose of psilocybin.

00:38:20.000 So whether or not it's real is super subjective, because you're talking about an experience that's absolutely happening.

00:38:30.000 But is it real?

00:38:31.000 Well, what's real?

00:38:33.000 We look at real in terms of like this coffee mug is real.

00:38:36.000 If I put it on a scale, it will register.

00:38:39.000 If it's full, it'll be heavier.

00:38:41.000 This pen is real.

00:38:42.000 This table is real.

00:38:42.000 I can move it around.

00:38:43.000 You're real.

00:38:44.000 I shake your hand.

00:38:45.000 I give you a hug.

00:38:45.000 We're real.

00:38:47.000 But that's only like physical experiences that are tactile and measurable here on, you know, conscious earth.

00:38:56.000 This experience that you have when you're on psychedelics is insanely vivid.

00:39:01.000 You are taking it in.

00:39:03.000 Something is happening.

00:39:05.000 Even if that something is non-material, and even if that something exists only in your imagination, It still is real.

00:39:14.000 It's a real experience.

00:39:17.000 It's almost like you're splitting hairs. 0.99

00:39:19.000 Whether or not you're actually encountering wise entities from another dimension, or whether or not you're just out of your fucking mind on mushrooms. 0.99

00:39:28.000 The same experience occurs. 0.97

00:39:29.000 And when you come back, you do have this sense that you have been in the presence of something far wiser than you.

00:39:38.000 It's exposed all of the things about you that perhaps you're ashamed of or maybe you're lying to yourself about or shielding yourself from Or maybe you're too hard on yourself and it wants to embrace you with love.

00:39:53.000 Maybe it allows you to look at some of the anxieties maybe you're carrying around and say, these are unnecessary.

00:39:59.000 And maybe it allows you to look at the impact that the world, the human beings are having on the world.

00:40:06.000 That's one thing that comes up over and over again, particularly on psilocybin, is that people have this Sense of that humans are destroying the world.

00:40:17.000 It's almost like you get these visual images of pollution and strain on the Earth's ecosphere and strain on all the ecological environments, whether it's the ocean or the jungle and people, these wild visions of the horrible things the Earth is doing.

00:40:34.000 Yeah, you know, it's interesting to me because you talk to some people, I talk to a lot of people, and they're like, this just flat out changed my life completely.

00:40:42.000 Like, I used to feel like this, now I feel like this.

00:40:45.000 I used to have this outlook on life, my outlook has totally changed, you know, it helped me shed some anxiety or depression or whatever it might be.

00:40:52.000 There's a lot of people in that camp.

00:40:55.000 And then...

00:40:56.000 There are people who've had, like, bad trips on various psychedelics, and so I wonder what, does it really just come down to the comfort level of the setting that you're taking it in that would determine whether or not you have a bad trip or whether or not you have, like, a profound life-changing experience?

00:41:11.000 I think there's a lot of variables.

00:41:13.000 I think set and setting is something that people always emphasize because I think it is important.

00:41:17.000 Set and setting and going into something with an intention.

00:41:21.000 Like maybe going into something with an intention of like maybe you're over anxious.

00:41:27.000 Or maybe you're dealing with like a heavy-duty life decision.

00:41:32.000 You're trying to figure out what's the correct path, which way to go.

00:41:35.000 You're at a crossroads.

00:41:36.000 And so going into it with an intent and going into it and experiencing it in the right setting can have a profound effect.

00:41:44.000 But I think another part of what affects people when it comes to bad trips is the ego and whether or not you choose to try to control it.

00:41:53.000 You know, it's kind of the same thing with weed.

00:41:55.000 But weed is a much more mild example of it.

00:41:58.000 When you get too high and you're like, oh my god, I'm so high, and then you start freaking out.

00:42:02.000 If you can stop yourself from freaking out, you can control your anxiety during those experiences, especially if you have a lot of experience doing it.

00:42:13.000 If you've gotten that high a bunch of times, you can like, oh, been here before, know what to do, just relax, you're going to be fine. 0.99

00:42:20.000 But those mushroom experiences and DMT in particular, they're so bananas that if you try to control them, you're fucked. 0.99

00:42:29.000 You cannot control them. 0.99

00:42:30.000 I've seen people freak out on psychedelics because their ego was trying to control the situation.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, they're trying to tap out of that mindset that they're in at the moment.

00:42:40.000 I think I'm generally a happy person.

00:42:43.000 But I guess there is a little bit of a fear that if I go too deep on any of these psychedelic substances, that I'm gonna dig something up that perhaps is like really buried deep down that I don't even know that I'm hiding.

00:42:56.000 So let me just give you a random example here.

00:42:59.000 There was one time I had a dream, and every, like, the dream was, you know, I don't want to get gross or anything, but it was a particular kind of dream.

00:43:10.000 And, yes.

00:43:11.000 Sex? 0.90

00:43:11.000 Yes. 0.90

00:43:12.000 Okay.

00:43:12.000 So, at some point in it, the person who I was with turned into the scariest demon I'd ever seen in my life.

00:43:23.000 Oh.

00:43:23.000 Right in front of me, just whatever the scariest face of a demon you can imagine is, like that.

00:43:29.000 They changed to that. 0.99

00:43:30.000 And I remember being so scared that I woke up in a cold sweat, and I was scared for like an hour in the conscious world, and I kept thinking to myself, How the fuck was that buried in there? 0.98

00:43:41.000 Like, what is that? 0.97

00:43:42.000 I didn't know that was somewhere in my mind.

00:43:44.000 Like, I had no idea where that came from.

00:43:46.000 Because I normally don't have scary dreams.

00:43:47.000 I normally don't have sex dreams.

00:43:48.000 I don't have anything like that, right?

00:43:50.000 So I guess the thing I'm afraid of with the psychedelic substances is like, am I going to get the equivalent of that bad dream if I uncover, if I go too deep and I uncover something that actually is bothering me?

00:43:59.000 And do I even want to do that?

00:44:00.000 Because if I view myself as generally happy, which I do, then you can see where my drug preferences now come from.

00:44:06.000 I like uppers.

00:44:06.000 I like downers.

00:44:07.000 I like to tweak my mood a little bit.

00:44:09.000 But to just go into a different dimension is like a really scary thought. 0.99

00:44:13.000 Well, I'm not a dream analyst, but if I was, I would analyze that and say, you're probably worried about getting really close to someone who turns out to be a fucking nightmare.

00:44:26.000 That you may have some, like, either some memories or some experiences with people in the past where, you know, like, sometimes in a relationship, a person presents themself as one thing, and then the relationship gets intense and hot and heavy, 0.95

00:44:44.000 you move in together, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, I live with a psycho.

00:44:48.000 And you didn't know, right?

00:44:50.000 That's happened to a friend of mine.

00:44:51.000 He had a really hard time getting her out of the house.

00:44:54.000 She didn't want to leave.

00:44:55.000 Whoa.

00:44:56.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.84

00:44:57.000 They got too quick, they went too fast, and the next thing you know, you're living with a psychopath. 1.00

00:45:03.000 And you're like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:45:05.000 And I think he wound up moving out of his own house. 0.99

00:45:08.000 Crazy story.

00:45:09.000 But anyway, more people have had experiences where you think this relationship's gonna go one way, and then as time goes, how many people...

00:45:26.000 You know, like that's that old Billy Joel song, The Stranger.

00:45:29.000 You know, it's like kind of based on that, like that you get close to people and as you get close to them, you know, they take off the mask and you find out what they're like.

00:45:36.000 So you like, you're a busy guy.

00:45:39.000 You're also a very ambitious person and you're very involved in your work.

00:45:43.000 And I think most people that have a very involved career and they have a There's a lot going on.

00:45:49.000 They're terrified of some massive distraction, some massive monkey wrench that gets thrown into the gears and fucks up their life, and it happens to people.

00:46:01.000 Yeah, believe it or not, I'm actually not that ambitious.

00:46:04.000 I'm very, like...

00:46:06.000 Orderly and structured and obsessive.

00:46:08.000 So it manifests into something that looks like ambition, but it's actually not ambition.

00:46:14.000 Well, you're disciplined and you work a lot.

00:46:16.000 Very disciplined, yes.

00:46:16.000 And you work a lot.

00:46:17.000 That is very true, yeah. 0.99

00:46:18.000 A bad relationship with someone who's completely crazy could fuck that up. 0.75

00:46:22.000 And you could, listen, people have done that before. 0.99

00:46:24.000 You get involved with someone and then all of a sudden they're stealing money for you and credit card fraud and people are crazy.

00:46:30.000 And you don't know.

00:46:31.000 Sometimes you don't know until you, like, you might be with someone for like six months.

00:46:35.000 And you go, hey, how's it going with Shirley?

00:46:37.000 Oh, she's great. 0.99

00:46:38.000 Five months later, dude, let me fucking tell you. 0.99

00:46:40.000 I had no idea. 0.99

00:46:41.000 First of all, she was doing meth the entire time I was with her.

00:46:44.000 Her sister just got out of jail. 0.99

00:46:46.000 Next thing you know, her sister's living with me. 1.00

00:46:48.000 Shit's missing in my fucking house. 1.00

00:46:50.000 And then you hear these crazy stories and people are worried. 1.00

00:46:53.000 They're worried about getting intimate with someone who turns out to not be what they're presenting.

00:46:57.000 And it's funny because, you know, at the time I had that dream, I was single and had been single for a very long time.

00:47:03.000 Now I'm not, and I'm the happiest I've ever been.

00:47:05.000 So, you know, it's weird because that dream came at a time when there was seemingly nothing that could...

00:47:11.000 Because I wasn't...

00:47:12.000 Not only was I not with anybody, I wasn't even looking for anybody.

00:47:14.000 And so for that dream to hit me at that time, that gets back to the point about psychedelics, which is I'm afraid there might be something there if I go too deep that I'm going to uncover.

00:47:22.000 And then I don't know...

00:47:23.000 Is there any putting that genie back in the bottle if I go down that path?

00:47:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:27.000 Which is why a micro-dose I think is a good idea.

00:47:28.000 You start with a micro-dose, see how you feel, dip your toe in the water, and then take it from there.

00:47:32.000 Dude, I had a dream once that Godzilla was chasing me on a skateboard.

00:47:35.000 I don't think you need to worry.

00:47:37.000 I don't think I'm really worried.

00:47:38.000 I'm not really skateboarding, and I'm not really worried about Godzilla.

00:47:41.000 I think they're just dreams.

00:47:43.000 Yeah, sometimes I think that random dream theory actually might be the one I believe the most.

00:47:48.000 Because there's chaos in all these dreams.

00:47:49.000 You know, anything can happen.

00:47:51.000 And especially since you were single at the time.

00:47:52.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 When you're single, you like looking, right?

00:47:55.000 And when you're looking, you're like, God, I hope I don't meet a psycho.

00:47:57.000 Well, I wasn't looking, because I'm, like you were saying, I'm sort of obsessive about my work, and that's all I really cared about.

00:48:03.000 And maybe you were worried that one day they would find you, and you would be so busy with your work that you wouldn't be paying attention to all the signs, and then they would, getcha!

00:48:10.000 I gotcha, Kyle!

00:48:12.000 I can still see that demon face to this day.

00:48:14.000 What does it look like?

00:48:15.000 Oh, my God.

00:48:16.000 You know, the, um...

00:48:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, it's like that.

00:48:35.000 But wait, it's not just that.

00:48:37.000 It was more than that.

00:48:38.000 It was like that face and then with the pins from that Hellraiser guy.

00:48:44.000 Is that Hellraiser?

00:48:45.000 Is that a thing?

00:48:45.000 Pinhead.

00:48:46.000 It was like that with the Exorcist demon and then make it red and somehow even more scary.

00:48:51.000 Yes, it was like that with pinhead stuff and then red as well.

00:48:57.000 I forget about that. 0.99

00:48:59.000 Dude, mid-fucking. 0.96

00:49:04.000 It says The Exorcist 10. Oh, is that the 10th year anniversary? 0.98

00:49:10.000 Back in the day, man, when that movie came out, that was the craziest fucking movie of all time. 0.99

00:49:15.000 When she came downstairs and pissed all over the carpet and told the astronaut, you're going to die up there. 0.98

00:49:20.000 Do you remember that part?

00:49:22.000 Yes, yes.

00:49:22.000 That movie was super creepy.

00:49:25.000 They found a way to make it a science in terms of how to make you feel certain emotions.

00:49:29.000 Yeah, and if you go back and watch that movie, it's like...

00:49:33.000 It's so interesting how movies were so different back then.

00:49:36.000 They were different in their pacing.

00:49:38.000 They trusted your attention span.

00:49:40.000 They trusted that you didn't have a cell phone on you, so you were just going to sit there and watch the film.

00:49:44.000 What are you doing, Jeremy?

00:49:48.000 It was a quick shot of the demon, right?

00:49:50.000 Quick shot of that thing.

00:49:51.000 Isn't that thing scary looking?

00:49:53.000 Kind of scary. 1.00

00:49:54.000 I'll fuck that dude. 1.00

00:49:56.000 I've never been a big horror movie guy. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Really?

00:49:58.000 I love them.

00:50:00.000 I'm not a big fan of that in the same way that I say I'm not a big fan of putting pain with my pleasure.

00:50:07.000 Or getting really spicy food.

00:50:09.000 It's like, what if I made this thing I'm eating shittier?

00:50:11.000 You don't like spicy food?

00:50:12.000 It can't be very spicy.

00:50:13.000 I've learned I have a little more tolerance than I thought I did.

00:50:15.000 I thought I was a hardcore mild-only person.

00:50:17.000 But no, I could get a little bit of spice in there.

00:50:19.000 A hardcore mild-only person?

00:50:20.000 I thought I was.

00:50:21.000 I mean, look at me.

00:50:22.000 Like potatoes. 1.00

00:50:23.000 I'm white as fuck, right? 1.00

00:50:25.000 You're a meatloaf kind of guy. 1.00

00:50:27.000 No, I'm not a meatloaf guy.

00:50:28.000 I'm like an eat fast food and die young kind of guy, unfortunately.

00:50:31.000 Oh, wow.

00:50:31.000 Reckless.

00:50:32.000 Yeah, pretty reckless.

00:50:33.000 I love spicy food.

00:50:35.000 I love Thai food.

00:50:36.000 Oh, Thai food when it's not too spicy, I love too.

00:50:38.000 But it can't be too spicy.

00:50:39.000 I like it lit up.

00:50:40.000 Woo! 0.99

00:50:41.000 I like it where I start crying and sweating like a pig. 0.93

00:50:43.000 Doesn't that punish you later though? 0.86

00:50:45.000 No. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Doesn't fuck your stomach up? 1.00

00:50:46.000 No. 0.99

00:50:46.000 Really? 0.99

00:50:47.000 No, it doesn't bother me at all.

00:50:49.000 That's interesting.

00:50:50.000 I think it's just a genetic thing.

00:50:53.000 Super tasters.

00:50:54.000 Yeah, this is why I think it's a genetic thing.

00:50:55.000 Because out of my two daughters that are young, one of them, which is really odd, really likes spicy food.

00:51:02.000 Young kids don't generally like spicy food.

00:51:05.000 That's very true.

00:51:05.000 But one of them loves it.

00:51:06.000 She'll take habanero sauce.

00:51:08.000 She'll eat jalapenos.

00:51:09.000 She goes hard. 1.00

00:51:11.000 And then the other one doesn't want to have nothing to do with that shit. 1.00

00:51:13.000 She's like, oh, it's so spicy. 1.00

00:51:14.000 And I go, let me try it.

00:51:15.000 I'm like, this isn't spicy at all.

00:51:17.000 I think it's a taste bud.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:19.000 Because those kids have like my wife's genetics in some regard. 1.00

00:51:23.000 Like one of them has allergies like my wife has. 0.99

00:51:27.000 The other one's not allergic to shit. 0.99

00:51:28.000 So it's interesting how it works like that. 0.98

00:51:31.000 It is interesting, and when you see kids, it becomes very clear that there's a lot to nature.

00:51:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:41.000 So it's not just like, you know, nurture, you're molded by your environment, you know, everybody's a blank slate. 0.98

00:51:46.000 That's all horseshit. 1.00

00:51:46.000 Blank slate idea is total bullshit. 1.00

00:51:48.000 Horseshit, yeah. 1.00

00:51:48.000 Because you could see their personalities from before anybody has any influence on them. 1.00

00:51:53.000 Yeah.

00:51:55.000 There's no way you're a blank slate.

00:51:57.000 But there is influence by your environment.

00:51:59.000 Sure.

00:51:59.000 It's both things.

00:52:00.000 Yes, definitely both things, for sure.

00:52:02.000 But some kids come out of the box, and some animals come out of the box different.

00:52:06.000 You'll have dogs, and they'll have distinctly different personalities.

00:52:10.000 Yes.

00:52:10.000 Right out of the box.

00:52:11.000 Like my dog, Marshall, right out when he was a puppy when we first got him, had this very distinct personality.

00:52:18.000 And he's always, like, other Goldens and other dogs are very, like, my dog is a person.

00:52:23.000 He's like a weird little person locked in a dog.

00:52:25.000 He's so, it's so strange how clued in he is.

00:52:29.000 He's so, like, there with you.

00:52:31.000 Yeah, it's funny, because I had that same thought with my friend's dog one time, because it just felt like there was almost like a weird connection, like, he was thinking like a human. 0.94

00:52:39.000 And then I remember the day after that, I'm sitting in the living room, and the dog, like, brings me a fucking dead, decapitated raccoon and puts it at my foot. 0.99

00:52:49.000 And I'm like, I was a fucking idiot for thinking you're like a human. 1.00

00:52:52.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:52:53.000 Go away.

00:52:54.000 Like a human that has some old school wolf traits.

00:52:57.000 Yes.

00:52:58.000 That's what's so bizarre is that all dogs came from wolves.

00:53:01.000 That is super weird, isn't it?

00:53:03.000 They didn't really know that.

00:53:04.000 You know, they used to think that they came from wild canids and all sorts of different things.

00:53:08.000 And they thought there was like different species of wild wolves. 0.99

00:53:10.000 But then the more study they did on the genome, the more they realized like all this shit comes down to wolves. 0.99

00:53:17.000 And what about cats? 0.99

00:53:18.000 Do you know anything about cats?

00:53:19.000 Like, where do they come from?

00:53:21.000 Domesticated cats.

00:53:22.000 What were they originally?

00:53:23.000 That's a good question.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, I never thought of it until right this second, but I am curious.

00:53:27.000 That's a good question.

00:53:30.000 Hmm.

00:53:31.000 I wonder.

00:53:34.000 And it's interesting how generally cats have a very different disposition than dogs.

00:53:37.000 Like, your average dog is much more, you know, outgoing and jovial, and your average cat is much more, like, independent and, like, pessimistic, you know?

00:53:45.000 Wanna see a tiger kill a crocodile? 1.00

00:53:48.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:53:48.000 I didn't know a tiger could kill a crocodile, but they can. 1.00

00:53:51.000 Let's see. 0.98

00:53:52.000 Somebody sent me a video of a tiger fucking up a crocodile. 0.97

00:53:55.000 This is what I do in my spare time. 0.99

00:53:59.000 This is so silly. 1.00

00:54:03.000 Cats are fucking spooky, man. 1.00

00:54:04.000 We were talking earlier about the cat that was in front of my house. 1.00

00:54:07.000 They're spooky.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, jaguar you said you thought you saw, right?

00:54:11.000 Do they have him in this area?

00:54:12.000 Dirty video game.

00:54:13.000 Most likely, what it is.

00:54:16.000 Oh, yeah, it's similar.

00:54:18.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:54:19.000 That is actually the video.

00:54:20.000 It's a shitty copy of it, but look at that. 1.00

00:54:23.000 It's a fucking cat taking out a big-ass crocodile. 0.99

00:54:27.000 Tigers are just on a complete different level than everything else. 1.00

00:54:30.000 They're super predators.

00:54:32.000 But look at that.

00:54:33.000 Jesus Christ.

00:54:34.000 So they kill crocodiles all the time, I guess.

00:54:36.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Fucking tigers are so spooky! 1.00

00:54:39.000 And they're all over the place in Texas, by the way. 1.00

00:54:40.000 They get out.

00:54:41.000 One of them got out in Houston.

00:54:43.000 Tigers?

00:54:43.000 Wandering around a residential neighborhood.

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:47.000 So I think that this cat was probably someone's pet.

00:54:51.000 And it got out.

00:54:52.000 Because it is an absolute dark cat.

00:54:55.000 What is a pet jaguar?

00:54:56.000 Well, I don't know if it's a jaguar.

00:54:58.000 There's a thing called a... 0.64

00:55:01.000 No, Black Panther?

00:55:03.000 You said it was a Black Panther you saw?

00:55:04.000 Well, it's a black cat.

00:55:06.000 It's hard to tell because it's security camera footage and it's late at night so it's night vision.

00:55:11.000 But it was about...

00:55:12.000 We estimated because the guy was walking his dog.

00:55:17.000 Yeah, it could have been that, man, for sure.

00:55:19.000 Oh yeah, that absolutely could be it.

00:55:22.000 That right there, 100%. 1.00

00:55:23.000 I never even knew this fucking thing existed. 0.99

00:55:25.000 I've never seen one of these in my life. 0.99

00:55:27.000 That is exactly what it looked like.

00:55:28.000 So that's what it is, a Jaguarundi.

00:55:32.000 So there apparently are some of those in Texas.

00:55:35.000 They have been spotted in Texas before.

00:55:37.000 And so that's what was on my security camera.

00:55:40.000 That's exactly what it looks like.

00:55:42.000 What a wild looking thing.

00:55:43.000 So it's a small version of, you know, like a big cat.

00:55:48.000 Wow.

00:55:48.000 It's smaller than my dog, who's about 80 pounds.

00:55:52.000 So if I took a guess, I would say it was like, you know, somewhere north of 60 pounds. 1.00

00:55:58.000 You were the one who made the point, I think, that if your house cat was big enough, that fucker would eat you. 1.00

00:56:03.000 100%. 1.00

00:56:03.000 Really? 1.00

00:56:04.000 100%.

00:56:05.000 Wow. 0.99

00:56:05.000 Yeah, house cats don't give a fuck about you. 0.99

00:56:07.000 That's why you can't... 0.99

00:56:08.000 I had a bit.

00:56:10.000 You can have a dog and a gerbil, and you teach the dog.

00:56:15.000 You go, hey, man, the gerbil's my friend, and the dog's like, looks like a rat. 1.00

00:56:20.000 That's a fucking rat, dude. 1.00

00:56:21.000 That's a rat. 1.00

00:56:22.000 You're like, no, no, no.

00:56:23.000 No, no, no, it's not a rat.

00:56:24.000 It's my friend.

00:56:25.000 And the dog's like, okay. 1.00

00:56:27.000 This fucking asshole's letting rats in the house. 1.00

00:56:29.000 All right, fine. 1.00

00:56:30.000 You can't have that with a cat.

00:56:32.000 There's no agreement.

00:56:33.000 The cat would just pow!

00:56:34.000 Just jump on it instantaneously. 0.99

00:56:36.000 If you have a fucking gerbil on the floor with a cat, and this is the first time they met, there's 99,999 times... 1.00

00:56:46.000 The fucking cat is going to go right for that thing. 1.00

00:56:50.000 That's how they're wired. 1.00

00:56:51.000 Unless you have some really beaten down by the system cat.

00:56:56.000 You know, like some really fat ragdoll cat with no instincts left. 1.00

00:57:00.000 No more instincts anymore.

00:57:02.000 Then it probably won't do it. 0.99

00:57:04.000 But most cats, like a regular tiger cat, how cat, they're going to fuck that gerbil up. 0.84

00:57:08.000 Dude, people have domesticated bobcats. 0.92

00:57:11.000 You know that?

00:57:12.000 Wow. 0.98

00:57:13.000 Yeah, and those things are not easy to fucking domesticate. 0.99

00:57:15.000 Whitney Cummings just sent me a video, one in her yard. 0.99

00:57:17.000 It's a fat boy, too. 1.00

00:57:18.000 A big-ass fucking bobcat, yeah. 1.00

00:57:21.000 She won't care. 1.00

00:57:21.000 I'll send it to you guys. 1.00

00:57:23.000 I'll show it. 0.98

00:57:24.000 Yeah, this was in her yard, and Whitney always has like 80 fucking... 1.00

00:57:28.000 Look at that thing. 0.99

00:57:29.000 Wow.

00:57:30.000 Whitney always has like 80 dogs. 0.62

00:57:33.000 She's always got dogs. 1.00

00:57:35.000 Constantly.

00:57:35.000 There's this thing I saw on YouTube of this guy in Russia who domesticated one of the big cats.

00:57:39.000 I forget which kind of big cat it was, though.

00:57:41.000 But it was like, was it a mountain?

00:57:42.000 It may have been a mountain?

00:57:43.000 No, not a mountain lion.

00:57:44.000 I don't think you could domesticate those ever under any circumstances.

00:57:49.000 Mountain lions?

00:57:50.000 You can domesticate a little bit.

00:57:53.000 Some people have gotten them where they've gotten them to the point where you could kind of feed them and pet them.

00:57:58.000 So this is a question, like, what is domestication?

00:58:01.000 Like, people say, you can't domesticate a wolf.

00:58:04.000 You definitely can't domesticate a wolf.

00:58:06.000 Like, you can domesticate a dog.

00:58:07.000 But you can get one to hang around with you if you feed them.

00:58:11.000 But the wolf is the boss.

00:58:13.000 Like, you say, is that a domesticated wolf?

00:58:16.000 So you're kind of splitting hairs.

00:58:18.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:58:18.000 It's not domesticated like the way, you know, a fucking, an actual dog is, but it's more calm than a wolf you'd meet on the mountain because it has a relationship with you. 0.98

00:58:29.000 Yeah, that is an interesting question. 0.98

00:58:31.000 Where's the line?

00:58:31.000 What does domesticated mean?

00:58:33.000 Yeah, it's calm enough so it doesn't kill you.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, but if they're the boss, I would say that's not domesticated. 1.00

00:58:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, like you have to be the boss.

00:58:40.000 I had a friend who had three of those things, and it was weird, man.

00:58:45.000 Three what?

00:58:45.000 Three wolves.

00:58:46.000 He had like wolf hybrids. 0.75

00:58:48.000 Oh, the wolf dogs.

00:58:49.000 But there were like seven ace timber wolf.

00:58:51.000 Whoa.

00:58:52.000 Yeah, and they were big-ass wolf dogs, and they didn't listen to him at all. 0.85

00:58:56.000 It was a joke. 0.66

00:58:58.000 Like, he fed them, and they were his roommates.

00:59:00.000 And they didn't kill them, but they could.

00:59:03.000 And you'd go over the house and you would howl and they'd howl with you.

00:59:05.000 They'd go, whoa!

00:59:07.000 They'd go, hello!

00:59:08.000 Oh my god.

00:59:09.000 By the way, I would not go to that house.

00:59:11.000 It was sketchy.

00:59:12.000 They got out once and killed his neighbor's sheep.

00:59:15.000 Like a bunch of them.

00:59:16.000 And I think he lied about it.

00:59:17.000 Oh my god.

00:59:18.000 Did you get that video?

00:59:21.000 There's a video that I sent you from Whitney's house. 0.99

00:59:24.000 Yeah, she's got a fucking bobcat wandering around her backyard. 1.00

00:59:30.000 And it's a pretty big one, too. 1.00

00:59:31.000 They get pretty big.

00:59:33.000 It's like...

00:59:34.000 I mean, look at this thing. 1.00

00:59:38.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Just wandering around. 1.00

00:59:40.000 Wow.

00:59:41.000 And you say those things are like freakishly strong, too, right?

00:59:43.000 What does this have to do with anything?

00:59:44.000 I have no idea why it started out.

00:59:45.000 Why did it start to play that?

00:59:46.000 Yeah, oh, those kind of cats?

00:59:48.000 Predator cats?

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:49.000 Oh, they're crazy strong.

00:59:50.000 They're, you know, that's how they make a living.

00:59:53.000 They're all, they're just muscle, pure muscle, right?

00:59:56.000 Well, do you ever see that video of the house cat that he falls from a second floor window and he's in a house that's on fire?

01:00:03.000 He falls from a second floor window, just lands on the ground and runs away.

01:00:07.000 I've never seen that, but that's exactly what cats do, right? 1.00

01:00:10.000 They always land on their fucking feet. 0.99

01:00:11.000 How high can you really put it for them to be okay? 1.00

01:00:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:13.000 Like, what's the limit before it's like, that thing's gonna die?

01:00:15.000 Well, squirrels, they can fall from as high as like 80, 90 feet.

01:00:20.000 Squirrels, apparently, this I found this out from the Meat Eater podcast, he had a squirrel scientist on.

01:00:27.000 And the squirrel scientist was saying that squirrels, a female squirrel, when she is in season, she's an estrus.

01:00:34.000 She's only an estrus for like six hours. 0.99

01:00:36.000 So it's a fucking, just a wild time. 0.99

01:00:39.000 But it's a wild brawl, too, because all the males are competing for her attention. 1.00

01:00:43.000 So when you see squirrels chasing each other around trees, screaming and shit, that's probably a female in heat. 1.00

01:00:50.000 And a lot of them, like, they'll be in the middle of breeding, and another squirrel will grab them and throw them off the tree. 0.99

01:00:56.000 So they go flying, like, fucking 60 feet to the ground. 0.93

01:00:59.000 And they bounce. 0.99

01:01:00.000 And they run back up the tree and try to get back at it again.

01:01:03.000 So, I want to ask you an embarrassing question.

01:01:05.000 This is embarrassing for me, not you.

01:01:07.000 You just brought up estrus, so that's when they're in heat, right?

01:01:10.000 Yes.

01:01:12.000 I was under the impression that when any animal is in heat, that if you put your hands up to that area, it's hot, it's warm.

01:01:21.000 Well, I mean, blood flow increases to the area, so it would be warmer, but I don't think it would be like a fire.

01:01:28.000 No, I'm not saying it's like a fire. 0.99

01:01:29.000 You can cook a marshmallow over a cat pussy. 0.99

01:01:33.000 Cat pussy marshmallow! 1.00

01:01:36.000 I always have this conversation with somebody and I brought that up and we looked it up.

01:01:39.000 It's not true.

01:01:40.000 It's not?

01:01:40.000 No.

01:01:41.000 So when you say it's in heat, I don't know why they call it heat, but there's no actual heat that comes from it.

01:01:46.000 That is, well, I guess because it's heated up.

01:01:48.000 But when you have extra blood flow to an area, doesn't that area get warmer?

01:01:52.000 I don't know, man.

01:01:53.000 I thought exactly what you're saying right now. 0.83

01:01:55.000 I don't know the mechanism of why it got warmer, but I thought they fucking call it in heat, so of course it's going to be warmer.

01:02:00.000 I think it's just heating up, you know, like, oh, getting ready to go at it.

01:02:04.000 I think, like, if you put a tourniquet on...

01:02:04.000 Yeah, estrus is the technical term, like you said.

01:02:06.000 Yes.

01:02:07.000 I think if you put a tourniquet on...

01:02:09.000 Well, really, it's like, how would it get warmer?

01:02:11.000 It just means more blood.

01:02:13.000 Why would it be warmer?

01:02:15.000 Just be more, you know, just more swollen. 1.00

01:02:18.000 What's really crazy is monkeys.

01:02:19.000 Like, some monkeys, their buttholes flare up and they give crazy colors when they're in estrus.

01:02:25.000 Do you know that?

01:02:26.000 I didn't know that. 1.00

01:02:27.000 So wait, do they want to fuck more in the ass when they're in estrus? 1.00

01:02:30.000 No, no, no, it's not an ass thing. 1.00

01:02:31.000 It's like a signaling thing. 0.96

01:02:33.000 Oh, like a peacock doing the...

01:02:35.000 Yeah, but it's the females. 1.00

01:02:37.000 The females when they're in... 1.00

01:02:38.000 I think it's the females. 1.00

01:02:40.000 When the females are in estrus, there's bright colors show up. 1.00

01:02:44.000 And that alerts the males that it's go time. 0.94

01:02:46.000 Joe, I want to ask to see that, but I don't want to be labeled horny for monkeys. 0.95

01:02:51.000 I don't think you would be. 0.95

01:02:52.000 I'll do the request.

01:02:55.000 How would you say that?

01:02:56.000 How would you say that?

01:02:58.000 Female monkeys in estrous strange colors.

01:03:03.000 I don't know.

01:03:04.000 I remember seeing it online.

01:03:07.000 It's certain monkeys.

01:03:08.000 I forget which kind of monkeys, but it's blue and crazy looking.

01:03:11.000 It gets really wild. 1.00

01:03:12.000 That shit is weird, man. 1.00

01:03:14.000 There it goes. 1.00

01:03:15.000 What?

01:03:16.000 Why are monkey butts so colorful? 1.00

01:03:18.000 How did I never know this?

01:03:19.000 Look at that one right there. 0.85

01:03:20.000 It looks like an ice cream cone.

01:03:21.000 I never heard of this before. 0.99

01:03:22.000 This is ridiculous. 0.99

01:03:25.000 There's a thing that happens to them in estrus where it really accentuates their monkey butt colors. 0.99

01:03:33.000 Whoa. 0.88

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:34.000 That looks almost like delicious sherbert.

01:03:37.000 It does!

01:03:37.000 You ever had sherbert before?

01:03:38.000 It does, yes.

01:03:39.000 Click on that.

01:03:40.000 Click in the article, Popular Science.

01:03:41.000 Why are monkey butts so colorful? 1.00

01:03:43.000 Plus, the best colored monkey butts on the internet.

01:03:48.000 If you're anything like me, you've always wondered why some monkeys have bright blue skin. 0.99

01:03:53.000 The answer to the question, photons whizz, think photon drunk, photons enter the skin.

01:04:00.000 Okay, this is like explaining what's happening, but does it explain why and when they're happening?

01:04:08.000 It is during estrus, right?

01:04:11.000 It says right there, only the blue light makes it out.

01:04:13.000 Baboon's butt tissue is arranged somewhat like the illustration above, so that blue photons are reflected and all of the other photons, like the red ones, are absorbed.

01:04:20.000 Only the blue light makes it out and gets into our eyes. 0.92

01:04:23.000 This is why we see blue monkey butts. 1.00

01:04:26.000 Just Google monkey butts estrus. 1.00

01:04:30.000 See if that works.

01:04:34.000 But, oh, monkey estrus.

01:04:37.000 Okay, so that is it.

01:04:38.000 But there's no article explaining when it takes place.

01:04:43.000 Deprimase, monkey, what happens during estrus?

01:04:47.000 Bottom, it's the bottom one there.

01:04:51.000 It's weird that humans never had a mating season.

01:04:54.000 Right.

01:04:54.000 Isn't that weird?

01:04:55.000 Because we're gross. 1.00

01:04:56.000 We just want to fuck all the time. 1.00

01:04:58.000 You know why? 0.99

01:04:58.000 One of the reasons why? 0.99

01:04:59.000 Why is that?

01:04:59.000 Because we're soft.

01:05:00.000 And we have to fuck all the time. 1.00

01:05:01.000 Because we have to make more babies. 1.00

01:05:02.000 Because we die so easy.

01:05:05.000 Because if deers did that all the time, they would be everywhere.

01:05:08.000 Deer.

01:05:08.000 Excuse me.

01:05:09.000 No plural.

01:05:10.000 Like, if deer did that, there's so many deer already, right?

01:05:13.000 If you drive around here, you'll see deer all over the place. 0.99

01:05:16.000 If deer fucked like people, it'd be a real problem. 0.99

01:05:19.000 So nature's like, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho! 0.99

01:05:22.000 Once a year.

01:05:23.000 Once a year.

01:05:24.000 You have a season, you get it over with.

01:05:26.000 And how long does it last?

01:05:26.000 Is it like a month?

01:05:27.000 The rut for elk is generally speaking in the neighborhood of a month, but they sometimes have a second rut.

01:05:36.000 Sometimes they'll have a second estrus.

01:05:38.000 It depends on the place.

01:05:40.000 Sometimes I hunt in California and the rut is in October, but then if you go to Colorado, the rut's in September.

01:05:47.000 Generally it's in September.

01:05:49.000 But California is obviously so much warmer.

01:05:51.000 That's right, yeah.

01:05:52.000 Sometimes it's a little delayed.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, but if you talk to people about this, some people say they're hornier during certain parts of the year.

01:05:59.000 They are definitely hornier in the rut, and they fight.

01:06:01.000 And that's also when the antlers... 0.88

01:06:03.000 No, I'm saying people say that, too, about themselves.

01:06:05.000 Oh, people.

01:06:06.000 Oh, it's probably summertime when the people are wearing less clothes.

01:06:10.000 Yeah, so isn't that some, and I actually looked this up one night because I was curious.

01:06:14.000 I didn't find an answer, but like, doesn't that lead you to believe that maybe at some point in the past we did have a mating season?

01:06:19.000 No.

01:06:20.000 Humans did have a mating season?

01:06:20.000 Definitely not.

01:06:21.000 No, because monkeys don't have a mating season.

01:06:24.000 So are there any like monkeys, baboons, anything, apes, anything that's somewhat related to us that maybe has one?

01:06:30.000 Maybe?

01:06:31.000 I don't know.

01:06:32.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:06:34.000 I think primates just fuck. 1.00

01:06:35.000 I think mating seasons are related to like cervids and maybe like birds and stuff like that. 1.00

01:06:41.000 But I don't even know about birds.

01:06:43.000 Like birds have migratory seasons.

01:06:45.000 But do they have mating seasons?

01:06:47.000 I'm not sure either.

01:06:49.000 Fish do.

01:06:50.000 Fish do.

01:06:50.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 They spawn.

01:06:52.000 Yep.

01:06:52.000 They spawn at certain times of the year.

01:06:53.000 I know that the size of the balls of a gorilla are really small because they can have sex with whoever they want. 0.98

01:07:02.000 Well, you know, the size of the balls of primates is directly related to how promiscuous the females are. 1.00

01:07:08.000 It's the females dictate. 1.00

01:07:10.000 So the balls of the chimps are enormous. 0.98

01:07:13.000 Yes. 0.99

01:07:13.000 Because chimp girls are naughty. 0.99

01:07:15.000 Yes. 0.99

01:07:15.000 Chimp girls are very naughty. 0.99

01:07:16.000 Yes. 0.87

01:07:16.000 It gets weird. 0.87

01:07:17.000 Don't chimps also, like, fucking have the kids involved in sex and whatnot? 1.00

01:07:21.000 Bonobos. 1.00

01:07:22.000 Bonobos do.

01:07:23.000 Yeah.

01:07:23.000 Oh, that's right.

01:07:23.000 We had Chris Ryan on our podcast, too, on Crystal Kyle and Friends.

01:07:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:27.000 And we got into all of that shit. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:29.000 He's into all that shit. 1.00

01:07:30.000 Oh, he loves it. 1.00

01:07:31.000 Yeah.

01:07:31.000 It's funny, though, because we asked him some questions about sex in relation to humans, and he was like...

01:07:37.000 That's above my period.

01:07:38.000 I don't know the answer to that one.

01:07:39.000 It was kind of funny because we just assumed he was an expert on like everything involving sex.

01:07:43.000 No, but he's an expert in a lot of things, but his main course, main specialty is he believes that in earlier tribal societies, before we understood lines of paternity, that human beings engaged in polyamorous relationships.

01:08:01.000 And that there wasn't possession.

01:08:03.000 And then as soon as a male recognized, that's my kid, then it became a problem.

01:08:08.000 And then they wanted, you know, this is my woman, that's my baby.

01:08:11.000 But before, people just mated with each other and bred with each other.

01:08:14.000 And it also is a way that they bonded together.

01:08:17.000 And he cites some pretty interesting statistics and some pretty interesting facts.

01:08:23.000 about human beings in general like fighter pilots like a lot of fighter pilots would wife swap and they think that one of the reasons why they did that was not just they were bored or they're kinky but there was this real recognition that perhaps they could die And they love their wife and they wanted someone to love her the way they love her. 0.78

01:08:43.000 And the way to do that, to ensure that, was to have these sort of open relationships.

01:08:49.000 So he also says it's tied to like agriculture, I believe, and property rights as well.

01:08:55.000 This notion of people being able to own property as opposed to back in the hunter-gatherer days.

01:08:59.000 Everything was sort of communal.

01:09:00.000 They would share everything in the same way that they share mates.

01:09:03.000 And so, yeah, I mean, it's an interesting... 0.97

01:09:05.000 That's probably the root of where we're fucked up. 0.92

01:09:07.000 You know, I don't know because I don't know to what extent how we are now is nature-driven versus nurture-driven, specifically in the realm of sex. 0.98

01:09:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:15.000 Like, it's possible that modern society functions the way it does when it comes to sex and marriage because it's really just all social convention and these bullshit rules we made up and it's tied to, like, Christianity and property rights and all that.

01:09:27.000 But it's also possible that, you know, maybe there were people, even when they were having sex with other people's wives and whatnot, maybe there were people in those tribes who were like, no, I sort of want one person, and I want that one to be my own. 0.53

01:09:40.000 So I don't know.

01:09:41.000 I don't know.

01:09:42.000 The funny thing is, I feel like human beings have both instincts.

01:09:46.000 And so it's really like, almost like pick which one wins out, which one is more powerful, which one do you feel like is the correct one for you.

01:09:54.000 Yeah, well, even the idea of, like, what is nature, if you look at cities, they must be natural because they're everywhere.

01:10:04.000 It's not like it's super rare.

01:10:06.000 It's not like you go to one place and all the humans have gathered up into this one spot and started pouring concrete. 1.00

01:10:10.000 No, that shit's everywhere. 1.00

01:10:11.000 So it's natural. 1.00

01:10:13.000 It's just as natural as a beehive.

01:10:15.000 Because it's super common. 0.92

01:10:17.000 The way human beings decide to congregate and build communities and then eventually make some fucking crazy mess of structures and highways and roads. 0.92

01:10:28.000 That is the way we do it. 0.83

01:10:30.000 It's natural.

01:10:31.000 That's why it's a tough conversation because, you know, I remember I brought a similar point up in class one time, you know, a long time ago.

01:10:38.000 And the response from the professor was like, I mean, by that logic, a cell phone is natural.

01:10:43.000 Yeah, because everything is natural because it has naturally come about, even though it took a lot of time.

01:10:48.000 Marshall McLuhan had a great way to describe it.

01:10:50.000 He said, human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. 0.77

01:10:56.000 That's heavy.

01:10:58.000 I don't want the AI to overtake us, Joe.

01:10:59.000 They're going to.

01:11:00.000 I don't want the robots to overtake us.

01:11:02.000 I think that's why Elon Musk is trying to incorporate us with AI. I think he wants us to be symbiotic instead of being dominated.

01:11:08.000 It's the only way out.

01:11:10.000 The only way out is in.

01:11:12.000 I have to admit, I've never thought too much about this stuff, but my instinct is always, especially when it comes to people's jobs and people's well-being, it's like everybody pump our fucking brakes, and let's have some regulation around how much these robots and these machines can take over. 0.97

01:11:27.000 I mean, isn't, like, truck driving the number one job in the United States of America, and now we're getting to the point where they could just have a fucking robot do it? 0.97

01:11:35.000 Real close.

01:11:36.000 I mean, we're going to be at the point, eventually, where, like, 70 or 80 percent of the economy It could just be overtaken by AI and overtaken by robots, and there's no way we can do that and have it go smoothly unless we do the thing that Stephen Hawking said,

01:11:51.000 which is, you have to do a radical redistribution of wealth, because you can't have 80% of the population with fucking nothing, and then the robots doing all the work and giving all the money to the top 1%.

01:12:04.000 That's what Hawking said?

01:12:05.000 Yeah, Hawking said, before he passed away, he said something along the lines of, We can either have a utopia or a dystopia in the future.

01:12:13.000 It all depends on what we do with this technology.

01:12:16.000 So if we take the technology and harness it for the well-being of everybody...

01:12:20.000 So in other words, if you have robots assigned to people and they do your work for you and then you get the benefits of the robots' work and you have a relatively equal distribution...

01:12:29.000 It doesn't have to be fully equal.

01:12:30.000 We're not talking anything crazy here.

01:12:31.000 But relatively equal distribution...

01:12:34.000 That'll make it so we avert a worst-case scenario.

01:12:37.000 If you don't do that, if you don't do a radical redistribution of wealth and have good rules and laws along with the technology coming along, then you're gonna have...

01:12:46.000 I mean, we already have worse income and wealth inequality than the fucking Gilded Age right now, and it's only gonna get worse.

01:12:51.000 It's only gonna...

01:12:52.000 I mean, right now, what is it, 400 Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined? 0.99

01:13:00.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.60

01:13:01.000 Most of it comes from just moving money around, hedge funds. 0.99

01:13:04.000 That's right.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, the idea that like, oh, everything's a meritocracy and the harder you work, the further you go.

01:13:09.000 That's just factually not true. 0.96

01:13:10.000 I mean, look at fucking Paris Hilton, look how much money she has. 1.00

01:13:13.000 Like, the list goes on and on. 0.99

01:13:14.000 And by the way, I think most people believe in meritocracy to one extent or another.

01:13:19.000 Like, they want it to be that, okay, everybody starts at the zero-yard line and we're running a hundred-yard dash and wherever you end up, you end up.

01:13:25.000 It's all about the effort you put in.

01:13:27.000 I think people want it to be like that, but it's not like that right now.

01:13:31.000 And I think people are lying to themselves when they say it is.

01:13:33.000 I mean, look at some of these people. 0.99

01:13:34.000 Fucking Bill Gates. 0.99

01:13:36.000 Like, this guy is the guy who's controlling, like, basically world healthcare. 1.00

01:13:40.000 He's the one who gets to dictate shit about vaccines. 0.99

01:13:42.000 Why? 1.00

01:13:43.000 Because he's fucking rich and he made it off computers? 0.99

01:13:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:45.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

01:13:46.000 Yeah, it is odd. 1.00

01:13:48.000 I wonder if, ultimately, I mean, we're really attached to the idea of competition.

01:13:55.000 We're really attached to it, you know, because it's what propels It's what propels the genome, right?

01:14:04.000 It's what propels human beings in terms of like their ability to secure a successful mate, or to secure a great income in their job, or in their ability to transcend the current state of their existence in terms of like their Financial situation or where they live and you can you could actually work hard and you can actually get a better existence So we're really attached to this idea and it's also It's

01:14:35.000 the way we separate from the pack But as we evolve, and we are clearly evolving, something's going on, and I think our real steps of evolution are going to come in the form of some sort of embracing of technology, some sort of an integration with technology,

01:14:51.000 whether it's a Neuralink-type deal or something along those lines.

01:14:55.000 But we're so rigidly connected to the idea of competition, like that is life.

01:15:02.000 But isn't life A lot of things, but the competition thing seems- Yes, that's the point.

01:15:07.000 And this is coming from a person who's very competitive and have been involved in competition my whole life.

01:15:12.000 I'm not knocking competitive people, because I think that's what a lot of people do. 0.97

01:15:16.000 A lot of the knock on competition and a lot of the knock on meritocracy comes from lazy people, and that's a real problem, because their knock on competition is that they suck at it. 0.90

01:15:26.000 Right, yes. 0.99

01:15:26.000 Because they suck at it, they want to knock it down. 0.99

01:15:29.000 I'm trying to look at it objectively and say that I think that it's a core component of who we are and what we are.

01:15:36.000 I mean, that's why the deer have the antlers and they smash into each other during the rut.

01:15:41.000 They're trying to have competition and to win because they want their genes to pass on.

01:15:46.000 I mean, we could see the archetype. 0.99

01:15:48.000 We could see that the patterns exist all throughout nature with fucking beetles and squirrels throwing each other out of trees. 0.98

01:15:54.000 We know that these patterns exist. 0.94

01:15:57.000 I wonder if human beings are going to get to a point one day where all breeding is done through genetic engineering and that all of our sex and all of our whatever emotional connection we have with each other,

01:16:15.000 whatever compassion we have and affection we have for each other is all going to be enhanced by technology in a way where we're willing to give up this idea of a woman Carrying a baby inside of her body and and then it coming out like that I wonder if we can get past the point of where we're at now with You know like it's kind of whatever we're doing now It's working in terms where Life is better than it was 100 years ago, 0.99

01:16:44.000 and it's better than it was 200 years ago, and we're getting better in so many ways, but we're still plagued by so many of the primate, dominator instincts that we've had from the beginning of time.

01:16:58.000 You know, it's funny because if we are able to eliminate all of those things that you just described, I mean, I think there's a good argument. 0.95

01:17:04.000 We're not even really fucking human anymore. 0.95

01:17:06.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

01:17:07.000 Yeah.

01:17:07.000 Yeah, because you have this new thing.

01:17:09.000 It's like we're evolving in real time, moving on to a different stage in our evolution.

01:17:13.000 But I like your point about competition because...

01:17:17.000 There are people who would argue you just can't base a society around that and you shouldn't have that as part of the society.

01:17:24.000 I don't agree with that.

01:17:26.000 I think you need some semblance of competition because obviously people, to one extent or another, have innate preference for competition in many respects.

01:17:36.000 But the thing is we also have...

01:17:39.000 A feel for community.

01:17:41.000 Everybody wants community.

01:17:42.000 Everybody wants to be part of something bigger than themselves.

01:17:44.000 So the thing is we're a walking contradiction.

01:17:48.000 We have a lot of these things naturally within us.

01:17:51.000 So in my opinion the best thing you could do given that reality is create a system that allows All of the things about you to thrive and you harness those things for good and so that's why you know for the longest time on my show I've been a big proponent of social democracy because social democracy is this idea that you set up a system where you take the basics off of the table So you say,

01:18:13.000 you know what, if you're in the society and the society is sufficiently wealthy enough, you're gonna have healthcare.

01:18:17.000 You're gonna have education.

01:18:19.000 You're gonna have paid vacation time by law.

01:18:21.000 You're gonna have all these things which will make it so that you're not just living to be part of the economy. 0.98

01:18:27.000 You're not just living to serve some sort of fucking corporation.

01:18:29.000 But after that, after people have their basics met, do I have a problem with competition being part of the engine that helps drive humanity forward? 0.96

01:18:37.000 That might be where we're doing it wrong, right?

01:18:40.000 I am 100% with you on that, that I think that if our country really looked at itself like a community, and we really wanted everyone in the community to have their needs met, and we all agreed on that, Because there's this idea that some people are lazy,

01:18:58.000 and this is why welfare doesn't work. 0.92

01:19:01.000 I was on welfare when I was a kid.

01:19:02.000 I remember it very clearly.

01:19:04.000 I remember my parents being on food stamps.

01:19:06.000 I remember drinking powdered milk.

01:19:07.000 I remember it being a part of our life.

01:19:09.000 We got out of that, and we stopped living in poverty because my parents worked hard and they got out of it.

01:19:16.000 But that is what we're talking about, like where someone steps in and helps people get by.

01:19:23.000 If everyone's needs were met when it comes to food and shelter and education and healthcare, I think people that are competitive and people that are ambitious would still be so.

01:19:36.000 So you can't have...

01:19:38.000 You can't have a quality of outcome, because you're not going to have a quality of income, or excuse me, you're not going to have a quality of effort.

01:19:44.000 You're not.

01:19:45.000 Or talents, or natural talents, right?

01:19:47.000 Yes, especially if there's things, like there's some people that want to be good at something, but they're just not physically capable of it, right?

01:19:54.000 I think that we have to think of the other stuff.

01:20:00.000 I'm hearing those clicking.

01:20:01.000 I'm sorry.

01:20:02.000 I was going to forget my thoughts, so I wanted to jot it down.

01:20:05.000 I'm writing it down, but it was clicking for you.

01:20:06.000 I apologize.

01:20:07.000 Go ahead.

01:20:08.000 There's a way to do both.

01:20:11.000 There's a way to cover people's expenses in terms of food, and in terms of health care, and in terms of...

01:20:18.000 Just making sure that your basic needs are met, so people aren't starving or living homeless.

01:20:22.000 Like, how much better would the world be if homelessness just didn't exist? 0.99

01:20:26.000 And people were like, well, they need to get a fucking job. 0.98

01:20:28.000 Wouldn't it be better for everybody? 0.99

01:20:30.000 Just forget about that.

01:20:31.000 I'm not saying, like, you work hard, and they don't, and they're camping.

01:20:35.000 We get it.

01:20:36.000 We understand that.

01:20:37.000 But wouldn't it be better if that was never an issue?

01:20:39.000 Like, there was no issue like that.

01:20:40.000 And that basic needs were met for all people that are part of the community.

01:20:45.000 Now, by the way, studies show that you actually save money.

01:20:49.000 The taxpayer saves money.

01:20:50.000 Because of crime.

01:20:51.000 That's right.

01:20:51.000 Because of crime, because when they're on the street, sometimes they have to go to the hospital, they have to go to all these different places.

01:20:56.000 If you give everybody a roof over their head, it doesn't have to be a fucking mansion or a big house for all these people, but if you give homeless people a roof over their head, studies show it saves the taxpayer money in the long run.

01:21:05.000 So you're doing the right thing, not only morally, but you're also doing the right thing economically.

01:21:09.000 So it's an interesting thing when people argue against that.

01:21:12.000 But yeah, I want to get to the point where if somebody doesn't make it, I can blame them.

01:21:16.000 I want to get to that point.

01:21:17.000 I want to be at the point where I'm like, you didn't make it because of your own efforts.

01:21:20.000 But even then, it's like, you got to go back to their, you know, it's determinism.

01:21:24.000 You got to go back to their childhood.

01:21:26.000 You got to go back to how they were raised.

01:21:27.000 How did you get to this point?

01:21:28.000 Yeah, I mean, it's hard to say why someone makes it or why someone doesn't.

01:21:32.000 I think if you look at how someone did make it, you could draw a pretty clear assumption.

01:21:37.000 But if you look at why someone didn't make it, that's when things get complicated. 0.98

01:21:41.000 Because you're dealing with, like, emotional trauma, and you're dealing with abuse, and you're dealing with, like, maybe their father always told them they're a fucking loser, and they're, like, shell-shocked, or maybe they're beaten up by their older brother. 0.99

01:21:52.000 Weird shit can fuck with people, you know? 0.99

01:21:54.000 You never really know why someone is inferior. 1.00

01:21:58.000 That's very true, but under an ideal system, I think those people would still be able to survive.

01:22:05.000 Yes.

01:22:05.000 That's my point, right.

01:22:06.000 And you made a good point.

01:22:08.000 You made a great point about welfare there, because you reminded me of this new study that came out not that long ago about universal basic income, and there's this mayor in Stockton, California, that did this trial run.

01:22:17.000 He gave a bunch of people $500, and they have some really good data on this now.

01:22:21.000 So they found that the percentage of the money that went towards what people view as vices, so like drinking or gambling or whatever it may be, 2%.

01:22:29.000 Wow!

01:22:30.000 So, most of the money went towards food and went towards rent and went towards things that people need.

01:22:39.000 And there was one example from the study.

01:22:41.000 There was this guy who worked a job that he hated.

01:22:44.000 He wanted to get a new job, but he never got the time off to go interview for a new job.

01:22:49.000 As soon as he got this...

01:22:50.000 Crystal brought it up yesterday.

01:22:51.000 That's right.

01:22:51.000 Yeah.

01:22:52.000 And that's where I got the story from her.

01:22:53.000 She read the whole study.

01:22:55.000 $500 made it so it changed his life and now he makes way more money and he's much happier and...

01:22:59.000 Isn't that amazing? 0.98

01:22:59.000 This is what people fucking need. 0.98

01:23:01.000 Listen, it's not rocket science. 0.99

01:23:02.000 We have social security for old people.

01:23:04.000 Everybody agrees social security is wonderful.

01:23:06.000 The polls on that thing are through the roof.

01:23:07.000 Right.

01:23:08.000 Americans of all different political stripes are like, that's great.

01:23:10.000 I want to give grandma some money to make sure she's okay. 0.51

01:23:12.000 All we're talking about is social security for all.

01:23:14.000 And it's not going to make the economy collapse. 0.99

01:23:16.000 If you're concerned about the cost of it, I got fucking news for you. 0.98

01:23:19.000 You better look at the Iraq war. 0.99

01:23:20.000 You better look at the Afghanistan war.

01:23:21.000 You better look at all the corruption in our government.

01:23:24.000 You better look at...

01:23:24.000 I mean, that's where we're wasting our money.

01:23:26.000 They pumped trillions of dollars with a T into the stock market at the height of COVID because they were afraid that COVID was grinding the economy to a halt. 0.98

01:23:37.000 Nobody said dick! 0.99

01:23:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:23:59.000 Yeah, and what you mean by civilian death rate with drones is accidental.

01:24:03.000 People need to understand that.

01:24:05.000 When they're using drones, they're only killing 10% of the intended targets.

01:24:09.000 That's right.

01:24:09.000 90% of them are collateral damage.

01:24:11.000 And by the way, that was under Obama that number came from.

01:24:13.000 And under Trump, we don't have new numbers in terms of the civilian death rate.

01:24:16.000 Tremendous improvement.

01:24:17.000 He got rid of the guardrails, too, though.

01:24:19.000 There were some guardrails under Obama. 1.00

01:24:21.000 Trump was like, get rid of that shit. 1.00

01:24:22.000 Really? 1.00

01:24:23.000 In other words, yes, we'll strike with even less evidence, basically.

01:24:25.000 Really?

01:24:26.000 Yes.

01:24:26.000 So, this is what our money goes towards.

01:24:29.000 And, you know, all the Wall Street bailouts, think about all the money we spent propping up Wall Street.

01:24:33.000 And this was under George W. Bush, this was under Barack Obama, and this is under Donald Trump in the form of his new tax cut bill, where he gave a...

01:24:40.000 Corporate tax cut to these massive corporations.

01:24:42.000 83% of the benefits of his 2017 tax cut bill went to the top 1%. 1.00

01:24:46.000 If you're worried about where your money's going, look at that shit first. 0.98

01:24:49.000 That's the stuff that it shouldn't be going towards. 0.99

01:24:51.000 You know?

01:24:52.000 I mean, again, just to bring up that Wall Street bailout, because it's so egregious how it went down.

01:24:56.000 In 2008, we had the subprime mortgage crisis and the Great Recession.

01:24:59.000 And the government stepped in.

01:25:00.000 They bailed out a lot of these companies.

01:25:02.000 And then...

01:25:03.000 They said, no strings attached to it.

01:25:06.000 So you do what you want with the money.

01:25:07.000 You know what they did? 0.99

01:25:08.000 They turned around and they paid bonuses to the same motherfuckers that just crashed the companies. 0.99

01:25:13.000 So in other words, all those people failed up. 0.98

01:25:16.000 In 2008. This is 2008 I'm talking about.

01:25:18.000 Wasn't the problem with that is that they had to give these people bonuses and if they didn't they would have left and went to other banks and they were worried about losing their top criminals.

01:25:26.000 That's the argument.

01:25:27.000 Exactly.

01:25:27.000 We need to retain the talent.

01:25:29.000 The talent of what?

01:25:30.000 That's like you have a basketball team and you never made it to the first round of the playoffs eight years in a row and you say we got to keep them exactly as they are.

01:25:35.000 That is dirty.

01:25:36.000 It is.

01:25:37.000 It's a joke.

01:25:38.000 And you know why?

01:25:38.000 Because it all comes back to the corruption.

01:25:40.000 That's why they did it.

01:25:40.000 It wasn't actually about saving the economy.

01:25:42.000 It's about all these politicians, Democrat and Republican, take money from corporate America.

01:25:47.000 They take money from Wall Street.

01:25:48.000 They take money from the military industrial complex.

01:25:50.000 They take money from big pharma.

01:25:51.000 And then guess what?

01:25:53.000 They turn around and do favors for them.

01:25:54.000 I mean, there was a great Princeton study that came out. 0.87

01:25:57.000 Shit, probably a decade ago now, that found that there's a direct correlation between what the corporations want and the top 1% wants, and policy, and there's almost no correlation between what the bottom 90% wants and policy. 0.94

01:26:09.000 So regular people don't get what they want, but the corporations do and the billionaires do. 0.97

01:26:14.000 I wonder what it would really cost to give, like, legitimate healthcare for everybody, free education in terms of college-level education.

01:26:24.000 If we decided to subsidize all the universities and if we decided to give people a universal basic income, what would that look like in terms of the restructuring of people's taxes and how much money would have to go to that?

01:26:38.000 I mean, we've gotten really accustomed to the idea of war, right?

01:26:43.000 And spending money on war is just, well, that's what we do.

01:26:46.000 Because it's always been what we do.

01:26:48.000 To make people have this monumental shift in where the money goes and the way it gets allocated in our country would require people to kind of rethink things.

01:26:57.000 And we'd have to accept it and there'd be a lot of debate.

01:26:59.000 But I wonder how much would be involved.

01:27:01.000 So I'll answer that, but funny enough, the polls actually show the people are already there on this issue.

01:27:06.000 The people are there, but of course the government is not there because they're corrupt.

01:27:10.000 What do the polls show?

01:27:11.000 The polls show that 60% of the American public wants Medicare for All.

01:27:14.000 That's universal health care.

01:27:15.000 Medicare for All, I think that's an easy sell.

01:27:18.000 Harder sell is universal basic income.

01:27:20.000 Well, actually, there was a poll at the peak of COVID. Now, this number may have dropped since the peak of COVID, but at the time, it was 55% that were in favor of UBI. Because everybody was struggling, nobody had money, and they were like, fuck, that sounds like a great idea.

01:27:33.000 Well, that's when Andrew Yang's ideas about universal basic income got revisited. 0.95

01:27:38.000 A lot of people were like, oh, he was right.

01:27:41.000 See, it wasn't automation that made us first reconsider it.

01:27:44.000 It was just a pandemic.

01:27:45.000 That's right.

01:27:46.000 Now, to answer your question about cost, so there was Bernie Sanders introduced a bill when he was running for president.

01:27:51.000 I believe the number was $60 or $65 billion to have free college.

01:27:55.000 And so they did a comparison.

01:27:57.000 They did a great comparison in The Intercept showing that that same year that he proposed it, I think it had to be like 2017 or 2018, Just the increase for the year in military spending was $80 billion.

01:28:12.000 And nobody batted an eyelash.

01:28:14.000 Just the increase.

01:28:15.000 Just the increase.

01:28:16.000 That's not even the total military budget.

01:28:18.000 So that alone could pay for university degrees or university education for anybody who wanted it.

01:28:24.000 Yes.

01:28:24.000 And in fact, Bernie's plan paid for it by what's called a Wall Street transaction tax.

01:28:28.000 So you know those day traders on Wall Street who just push numbers around on a computer screen all day?

01:28:32.000 You tax them some tiny fraction and you can pay for it.

01:28:34.000 Tiny fraction of a penny in each transaction.

01:28:37.000 He explained that to me.

01:28:38.000 But the numbers, like how many people are we talking about who would go to college would that pay for?

01:28:47.000 I'm not sure.

01:28:48.000 Is it only kids that are getting out of like, what if a guy is like maybe 35 years old and he wants to attend night school after work twice a week to try to better his education, to get a better job?

01:28:59.000 Is that included in that as well?

01:29:01.000 So I have no idea if that's included in his legislation, but of course these are all important questions that you have to ask.

01:29:05.000 You have to ask about trade school too, for example.

01:29:07.000 Hey, some people want to go to college, but other people want to go to trade school.

01:29:10.000 Is trade school included in it?

01:29:11.000 These are all very important things that need to be fleshed out.

01:29:13.000 Yeah.

01:29:14.000 But also, to answer your question on Medicare for All, because you said this is an easier sell, definitely is an easier sell.

01:29:20.000 60% of the American public is already there.

01:29:22.000 There was even a poll that came out a while ago that showed more Republicans want it than don't want it.

01:29:26.000 Now, to be fair, yes, that's before the massive propaganda effort where they do the, how are you going to pay for it and it doesn't work and all this stuff.

01:29:32.000 But there was a study from the University of Massachusetts Amherst which found that Medicare for All saves $5 trillion.

01:29:39.000 That place is the biggest lefty Propaganda spot.

01:29:44.000 Well, it was a study based on comparing world systems.

01:29:47.000 University of Amherst, that is a socialist hellhole.

01:29:50.000 If you want to look at the study, we can look at it.

01:29:51.000 I shouldn't say hellhole, but it's not.

01:29:53.000 It's just like, even in the 80s, when I was doing stand-up and I would go to Amherst, I was like, this place is crazy. 0.99

01:30:00.000 I'm not defending the college campus idiots, just to be fair. 0.99

01:30:03.000 It's a great area. 1.00

01:30:04.000 I probably would agree with you on how dumb the college kids are there. 0.98

01:30:08.000 In terms of the academic study coming out of there, I'm pretty sure, because think about it, Joe, the way the system works now, you have a giant, rapacious, for-profit middleman who is, they're just a mafia in between you and your doctor, and they take their cut. 0.98

01:30:21.000 The whole idea of Medicare for All is just get rid of the mafia.

01:30:23.000 There is no middleman.

01:30:24.000 There is no cut going to a middleman anymore.

01:30:26.000 Right, but it's more complicated than that, right?

01:30:28.000 Just the idea of paying doctors.

01:30:32.000 Can doctors still charge what they would like to charge?

01:30:36.000 Or should we put a cap on what they charge?

01:30:38.000 Should we treat it like a free market thing, like we treat anything else?

01:30:41.000 Like if you went to a tattoo artist.

01:30:43.000 Some tattoo artists will charge this much.

01:30:46.000 Should we treat doctors in a different way than any other thing because it's an essential service for people?

01:30:52.000 So just think of it like this.

01:30:53.000 The way it would work is the way it works for firemen or cops.

01:30:56.000 It's the same thing.

01:30:57.000 That's all it is.

01:30:58.000 So the real question is where is the funding source coming from?

01:31:01.000 But here's the problem with that.

01:31:03.000 It doesn't work like that in the private sector.

01:31:05.000 Like the way it is now, it doesn't work like that.

01:31:07.000 That's right.

01:31:07.000 It doesn't work like that now.

01:31:08.000 That's correct.

01:31:09.000 Why would doctors have an incentive to become an orthopedic surgeon if they're going to get paid specifically the way firemen or cops do? 0.88

01:31:17.000 They wouldn't.

01:31:18.000 So you wouldn't get the best kind of surgery. 0.98

01:31:20.000 The kind of surgery you get when you go to a real expert, a guy who works in the Lakers or something like that, some fucking wizard at reattaching ACLs. 0.95

01:31:28.000 That guy needs incentive to become who he is.

01:31:31.000 Those super ambitious doctors that are the top of the food chain, those are the ones that people seek out. 0.99

01:31:36.000 Would that guy be able to still charge a lot of fucking money for those surgeries? 0.77

01:31:41.000 And that is one of the reasons why they're so good at it in the first place, is because that guy can have a Ferrari and live in a big house in Beverly Hills. 0.99

01:31:48.000 And this has always been the system.

01:31:50.000 That's the reason why people come...

01:31:52.000 I have friends from Canada that will come to the United States for surgery and pay for it out of their pocket because they want to get better doctors, more incentivized doctors.

01:32:00.000 It's also true that it works the other way, though, as well.

01:32:02.000 Remember when Rand Paul went to Canada to get some surgery, and this is a guy who's notorious for blasting, you know, their socialized medicine system?

01:32:09.000 I mean, listen...

01:32:09.000 He went to Canada?

01:32:11.000 Rand Paul went to Canada to get some sort of procedure, some sort of medical procedure, and of course everybody was like, that's, you know, that's...

01:32:17.000 Right, but Rand Paul's also a doctor, and he probably knew that this one guy up there was a specialist in one particular thing.

01:32:25.000 But that's the exact counter to the point you just made, which is...

01:32:28.000 Not necessarily.

01:32:28.000 It's usually the exception to the rule, because more people are coming from Canada to the United States to get surgery than are going from the United States to Canada.

01:32:35.000 It might be just an aberration or an outlier.

01:32:39.000 Let's find out.

01:32:40.000 I'm just asking you, is it your contention that Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Australia, Canada, all these places that have universal healthcare systems, that they don't have the same level of high quality surgeons and whatever that we have here?

01:32:52.000 I have talked to doctors who say that's the case.

01:32:55.000 I've talked to doctors to say that this system is not perfect, that it's deeply flawed, and that greed and corruption are a gigantic part of it.

01:33:02.000 However, the most innovative and most skilled surgeons and doctors are in the United States.

01:33:09.000 I don't know if that's true, but I heard this from more than one doctor.

01:33:13.000 It's very possible that there's a reason why the Saudi princes come here when they want stuff done, not contesting that at all.

01:33:20.000 The part that people don't want to talk about, which is actually, I think, the way more important point, is that anywhere from 45,000 to 60,000 Americans die every single year because they don't have access to basic healthcare.

01:33:31.000 Yes, but these two things aren't mutually exclusive.

01:33:33.000 We're talking about two different things.

01:33:36.000 Like, just because someone has basic health care, isn't it possible to have both?

01:33:41.000 Isn't it possible to have a system like you have public defenders, right?

01:33:44.000 Everyone's entitled to a public defender.

01:33:46.000 But people want a private defender because the public defenders are overburdened and all that stuff.

01:33:49.000 I mean, again, the point I would make is that it's a funding issue.

01:33:52.000 So if you were to pay those public defenders more and attract more talent...

01:33:56.000 So in other words, can you craft a universal healthcare system where there's sufficient compensation for the experts that you're talking about?

01:34:03.000 I say absolutely.

01:34:04.000 Because at the end of the day, it all comes down to funding, like you're saying.

01:34:07.000 Yes, if you want high quality, you're going to have to pay for that high quality.

01:34:10.000 So you should set up the system so that, yeah, I don't want doctors making... 0.97

01:34:15.000 Next to no money or making less than what they would make under this system now You want to have it so that you are incentivizing these people to stay here and treat here And you absolutely can craft a system like that and even if you do that you end up saving money because there's just such a I mean it's a fucking black hole here Joe forget insurance companies who are you know mafia criminals in their own respect Hospitals as well are really fucking bad. 0.63

01:34:37.000 I remember covering a story on my show at least five years ago where I went through line by line this medical bill that became, you know, it blew up and went viral because they were price gouging for everything. 0.83

01:34:49.000 They even had this line for cough suppressant aids and they charged like a hundred dollars for it.

01:34:55.000 Cough drops?

01:34:56.000 No, you know what it was?

01:34:56.000 A tissue.

01:34:58.000 What?

01:34:59.000 A tissue.

01:35:00.000 That's a cough suppressant aid?

01:35:02.000 Cough suppressant aid.

01:35:03.000 You should go to jail if you write that down.

01:35:04.000 But the funny thing is, what do you look at here?

01:35:07.000 Here's what Rand Paul said he went to Canada for.

01:35:10.000 Okay.

01:35:11.000 He chose Shouldis because it offers the surgery that he needed at the right price.

01:35:16.000 The hospital specializes in hernia repair using natural tissue rather than artificial mesh.

01:35:21.000 The Louisville Courier-Journal reports that the procedure in Canada will cost an estimated $5,000 to $8,000 according to Healthcare Blue Book.

01:35:32.000 A hernia repair in the United States will cost between $3,000 and $12,000 or up to $19,000 for a laparoscopic repair.

01:35:43.000 Read that next line because that's important right there.

01:35:45.000 Healthcare costs in the U.S. are also notoriously difficult to determine prior to procedure, and plenty of patients have received bills that can be thousands or tens of thousands of dollars over what they expected to pay.

01:35:55.000 That's to the point of not only are the health insurance companies price-gouging people, it's also the healthcare providers who are price-gouging people.

01:36:03.000 So really we have a scam within a scam on top of a scam in the U.S. healthcare system.

01:36:07.000 Another perk of going to Canada is that Shoulders offers a resort-like setting for recovering with fresh meals, an exercise program, on-site massage, and relaxing views.

01:36:18.000 So we heard it was a nice spot to go and you save a little cheddar.

01:36:21.000 Yeah, so, I mean, this is one of the things I talk about all the time on my show, is that I really don't think people fully understand, because you're not taught this stuff, just how much you're getting screwed in this country if you're a normal working person.

01:36:33.000 If you're a normal working person, like, this is the only developed country that doesn't have paid vacation time by law.

01:36:40.000 Every other country, the second you get a job from day one, within that first year, you can get, it varies from place to place, but anywhere from like two weeks to four weeks off, paid by law.

01:36:49.000 Whereas here in the U.S., if you happen to get some time off, you should, it's just because your employer's being nice, and oftentimes it's not paid, it's, you know, it's unpaid.

01:36:57.000 And it's little things like that that just drive me fucking crazy, because we're one of the richest countries in the world.

01:37:01.000 That sounds crazy to me. 0.89

01:37:02.000 What's that?

01:37:03.000 Unpaid vacation.

01:37:04.000 That's crazy.

01:37:04.000 They'll say, oh, we won't fire you.

01:37:06.000 You can take a couple weeks off, but we're not going to fucking pay you. 0.98

01:37:08.000 If you're working for someone day in, day out, five days a week, eight hours a day, what in the Christ? 0.98

01:37:16.000 I mean, this is the thing.

01:37:18.000 This country, the last time we had a government that really looked out for regular Americans, for working people, it was the New Deal era. 0.88

01:37:26.000 The New Deal era was a long fucking time ago. 0.86

01:37:28.000 You know, so we were able to get, well, between the New Deal era and you could argue the war on poverty as well, so maybe a little dash of Lyndon Johnson in there with FDR, but you have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. 0.61

01:37:39.000 We're like coasting off of the little bit of help that we got from the previous generation from the Great Depression. 0.98

01:37:45.000 You know, like Biden did those $1,400 stimulus checks, the one-time $1,400 stimulus checks.

01:37:50.000 That's it.

01:37:51.000 All the impacts of it are already done.

01:37:53.000 It was a one shot of adrenaline and people are going to go right back to where they were before.

01:37:57.000 Well, they were done pretty much right away.

01:37:59.000 Yeah, they go out like that.

01:38:01.000 Trump, how much did he give out?

01:38:03.000 Trump wanted to do $2,000.

01:38:04.000 I think he ended up doing $600.

01:38:06.000 And then Biden was saying, I'm going to do $2,000.

01:38:08.000 And then at the last minute he goes, yeah, I'm going to do $2,000.

01:38:11.000 But Trump already gave $600, so I'm only going to do $1,400.

01:38:14.000 It was that little sleight of hand move. 0.98

01:38:17.000 Which is so fucking Weasley. 1.00

01:38:18.000 It's so fucking Weasley. 0.99

01:38:19.000 Oh, that's so strange. 0.99

01:38:20.000 It just seems like if there was any time to pull this country together during the pandemic was the time.

01:38:26.000 I mean, I say it all the time.

01:38:28.000 There's a few issues I think that really would unify Americans, and I think somebody should run for president on those particular issues.

01:38:34.000 So the first one would be, we need a new version of the New Deal, and somebody should run on making the United States of America the envy of the world when it comes to our infrastructure.

01:38:45.000 I think we should have the best airports in the world.

01:38:47.000 I think we should have the best bridges and roads in the world.

01:38:50.000 I think we should hire millions of people in rebuilding our country and making it beautiful, making it A++ infrastructure.

01:38:56.000 We just need to do deals with China and we can have that over here.

01:38:59.000 They're willing to come in and negotiate.

01:39:02.000 That's the Belt and Road initiative.

01:39:03.000 In Africa they build some infrastructure and then they say, now we can take all your stuff, right? 0.99

01:39:08.000 They give you a loan that you can't possibly pay back.

01:39:11.000 It's very mafia-like.

01:39:12.000 It's a new version of imperialism.

01:39:14.000 Listen, it's terrible, it's wrong, it's evil, but you gotta hand it to them in that it's the new evolution of imperialism. 1.00

01:39:20.000 There was a time when people would just show up on people's shores and be like, This is now ours, and you can fuck off. 0.99

01:39:25.000 Then we evolved that a little bit to, we're not going to go in there and tell you all this shit is ours, but we're going to put a puppet dictator who's from your land in there, and then that person's going to have a deal with us and sort of give us that stuff under the table. 0.98

01:39:37.000 Now this is the new version of that of, what if I actually helped you out a little bit and built a couple roads? 0.94

01:39:42.000 Maybe built some schools?

01:39:44.000 Then what's going to happen?

01:39:45.000 Give you a little loan.

01:39:46.000 There it is.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:47.000 You know?

01:39:48.000 And China's doing that all over the world.

01:39:50.000 They are.

01:39:50.000 That's what's wild.

01:39:51.000 And the U.S., because our leaders are stupid, what did they do? 1.00

01:39:55.000 Think about what we've been doing the past few decades. 1.00

01:39:57.000 I mean, the Iraq War is the big one, right?

01:39:58.000 Right.

01:39:59.000 To do an illegal war based on lies, kill minimum 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians.

01:40:04.000 So we're dropping bombs everywhere and pissing people off and further withdrawing from the world, in a sense.

01:40:10.000 And, uh...

01:40:12.000 They're doing the opposite.

01:40:13.000 They're building bridges, quite literally.

01:40:14.000 They're talking to more people.

01:40:16.000 I mean, they're just more intelligent in how they're trying to expand their empire.

01:40:20.000 I'm against empire as a matter of principle.

01:40:22.000 I don't think the U.S. should be one.

01:40:23.000 I don't think China should be one.

01:40:23.000 I don't think Russia should be one.

01:40:25.000 Whatever.

01:40:25.000 It's all bad.

01:40:26.000 But the way that they're going about it is just more logical in that it's going to have better results in the long run.

01:40:31.000 And that's terrible for the United States.

01:40:32.000 No, it's terrible.

01:40:33.000 And I think that during COVID, it was probably pretty bad, too, because a lot of companies, they bought controlling stakes in, they started buying into the stock market in a big way.

01:40:44.000 We really need to bring back manufacturing here in a serious way.

01:40:49.000 I think it was a real, horrendous, corrupt decision when the government decided to do NAFTA, decided to do permanent normal trade relations with China, decided to do all of the terrible so-called free trade deals that they did, which are really outsourcing deals to enrich the corporate overlords and send overseas all these good-paying jobs.

01:41:09.000 And as a result of that, it's been a race to the bottom.

01:41:11.000 And now you have, you know, I just drove across a lot of this country.

01:41:14.000 You have Dilapidated place after dilapidated.

01:41:18.000 Am I saying that word right?

01:41:19.000 Dilapidated?

01:41:20.000 Did I say that wrong?

01:41:21.000 Dilapidated?

01:41:22.000 Dilapidated?

01:41:22.000 I think you said dilapidated.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, my brain's not working anymore.

01:41:26.000 Dilapidated?

01:41:26.000 It's a D, not a T. Dilapidated.

01:41:29.000 There you go.

01:41:30.000 You see all these towns are just crumbling and the jobs have been outsourced and you see these things that have been left alone for decades and you think, this doesn't have to be like this.

01:41:39.000 This was a choice made by the corrupt politicians to outsource the jobs for more profit.

01:41:44.000 They'd rather pay somebody pennies on the dollar in Bangladesh than pay an American worker a living wage and give them health care. 0.97

01:41:52.000 So, I mean, you have to fix that.

01:41:54.000 If you don't fix that, it's going to continue to be a race to the bottom.

01:41:56.000 Yeah, and I don't see any plans on the table.

01:41:59.000 No, I see no plans on the table.

01:42:01.000 The other idea that I was going to tell you, which I brought up on the podcast before, is that I wish we had a direct democracy law in this country where people could vote directly on the biggest five or so issues every time they vote for president.

01:42:11.000 So then everybody would decide, hey, I want to legalize weed, I want to pay a $15 minimum wage, I want to end the wars in Iraq, or whatever.

01:42:17.000 And we'd be in a lot better place if we had that, because that's a way to go around the corruption.

01:42:22.000 You know, because, again, all the polls show the American people are relatively united on a lot of these basic issues, but...

01:42:28.000 The political overclass doesn't do any of the things we want them to.

01:42:32.000 So how would we go around that?

01:42:34.000 One way is to actually get the corruption out of the system and make it so the politicians are more beholden to the people than the donors.

01:42:40.000 But that's a long-term thing to fix, and I think they're always going to find some workarounds.

01:42:44.000 What they can't really work around is if we had a direct democracy law where what the people say goes.

01:42:50.000 And that's not on every issue, to be clear, because if you have a right, the people can't vote to take away your rights.

01:42:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:56.000 So it needs to be a constitutional direct democracy law.

01:42:59.000 So we have a constitution.

01:43:00.000 These things are off the table.

01:43:01.000 You always have a right to free speech.

01:43:03.000 These are all things that they can't just vote away.

01:43:05.000 But on economic issues, on foreign policy issues, on social issues, people should have a right to vote on that.

01:43:12.000 Do you think that people should have a need to understand what they're voting on before they vote?

01:43:18.000 I think that we need to create a system where they are educated and they do learn this stuff, but...

01:43:23.000 But you can't force someone to learn things, right?

01:43:26.000 You can't force somebody to learn things.

01:43:27.000 You need to have good schools and good education that gets people to the point where they did learn this stuff.

01:43:32.000 But we can't have a system where up front we say, you have to learn X, Y, and Z before you vote, because if we do, you end up with...

01:43:41.000 Poll tests and literacy tests and a lot of the former Jim Crow and segregation methods where you try to exclude the undesirables and the lower class folks up front. 0.99

01:43:50.000 And that's what they would do.

01:43:51.000 They would do that with poor black folks and of course they would try to do that with anybody who's lower income these days. 0.76

01:43:57.000 So you can't really have a system where only like the educated elite can vote because I got news for everybody. 1.00

01:44:03.000 The educated elite are also fucking idiots. 1.00

01:44:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:06.000 A lot of them are fucking idiots. 1.00

01:44:07.000 There's a lot of them that stopped educating themselves the moment they got out of school. 1.00

01:44:12.000 Just stagnated.

01:44:13.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:44:14.000 Or we're good at memorizing things.

01:44:17.000 You know, it's interesting that there's a lot of decisions that people make that they really don't understand.

01:44:23.000 And there's built, especially on a state level, like I'll give you an example.

01:44:27.000 In Colorado, they voted to reintroduce wolves.

01:44:32.000 Whoa.

01:44:33.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 It seems intense.

01:44:35.000 It's very intense.

01:44:36.000 There's already wolves in Colorado.

01:44:38.000 They found breeding pairs.

01:44:40.000 And so they're naturally making their way from Wyoming.

01:44:42.000 They walk down into Colorado.

01:44:44.000 They didn't think that that was possible, but it's happening.

01:44:46.000 But in Idaho, they've developed such a wolf problem.

01:44:51.000 They're trying to kill 90% of them. 0.78

01:44:53.000 Because they're attacking all this farm life and the thing about it is like they're really hard to hunt like once they get a sense that people are hunting them they find them they they're scarce they take off they're smart yeah they're really fucking smart and they they have some weird way of figuring things out and they know how to stay the fuck away from people so even though they're opening up hunting people saying like Idaho wants to kill 90% of the wolves yeah but they're not going to be able to like you don't understand This is to make it 0.95

01:45:23.000 legal for people to, whenever they want, go out and hunt wolves.

01:45:28.000 Good luck finding one, and good luck hunting them.

01:45:30.000 This is not like deer hunting.

01:45:32.000 This is completely different and wildly ineffective.

01:45:35.000 The reason why they extirpated wolves way, way, way back in the day...

01:45:41.000 Was they used dead animals filled with strychnine, and they left them around.

01:45:46.000 And there was a lot of collateral damage.

01:45:48.000 They killed a lot of wolverines and a lot of other animals and scavengers.

01:45:52.000 It wasn't just the wolves.

01:45:53.000 They killed a lot of coyotes.

01:45:54.000 They killed everything else that would eat that stuff, too.

01:45:56.000 But that's how they did it.

01:45:57.000 That was the only way they could figure out how to do it. 0.98

01:46:00.000 And just by shooting them with guns, you're not going to be able to.

01:46:04.000 But the impact on livestock has been significant. 0.96

01:46:08.000 They're losing a lot of livestock.

01:46:10.000 The impact on elk populations is very significant.

01:46:13.000 The impact on mountain lions is significant.

01:46:15.000 They found out that mountain lion populations have dropped down to 25% because the wolves are stealing the kills of the mountain lion.

01:46:23.000 So say if a mountain lion kills a deer, wolves come along and chase the mountain lion away, then the mountain lion has to kill another deer.

01:46:29.000 So the mountain lions are killing probably more animals And they're eating less, and some of them are starving to death.

01:46:35.000 Because wolves are smart.

01:46:36.000 They'll just follow that mountain lion around. 1.00

01:46:37.000 Go ahead, kill something else, bitch. 1.00

01:46:39.000 And then they'll run after the cat and chase it away, and then eat the cat's deer, and then the cat has to go kill another deer, and then, you know... 0.99

01:46:47.000 So are the laws from state to state on stuff like that, are they trying to do a balancing act when it comes to population control with certain animals that could be a very big issue for people and agriculture?

01:46:57.000 No.

01:46:57.000 That would be a decision made by wildlife biologists.

01:47:00.000 This is a decision made by the population.

01:47:02.000 So it's a decision, it's an initiative that's put forth by people that are environmentalists or they're animal rights activists.

01:47:08.000 And they think that it would be a good thing to have wolves.

01:47:12.000 And it's interesting because I'm a fan of wolves. 0.99

01:47:15.000 I think they're fucking awesome. 0.96

01:47:16.000 But wolves are, there's a reason why the big bad wolf is in those little kids stories. 0.99

01:47:23.000 So wait, did this pass with a majority of the population vote?

01:47:26.000 Yes.

01:47:27.000 In the state?

01:47:27.000 Yes.

01:47:28.000 So more than 50% of the population in Colorado, you said, is the state you're talking about?

01:47:32.000 Yes.

01:47:33.000 They said, we're voting to reintroduce wolves here?

01:47:36.000 More than 50% of the voting population.

01:47:38.000 Obviously, it's not 50% of the actual population.

01:47:40.000 But they reintroduced wolves, the same way they did in Yellowstone in the 1990s.

01:47:44.000 Right.

01:47:44.000 And so they said, we're...

01:47:45.000 I would be very curious to see the wording of it.

01:47:49.000 Was it like misleading wording, you think?

01:47:50.000 I don't think it was.

01:47:51.000 No, it was a lot of hardcore lefties in Colorado.

01:47:54.000 We're just like, we want wolves here, man.

01:47:56.000 Wolves are amazing.

01:47:57.000 That's my spirit animal.

01:47:58.000 You know, they're...

01:48:00.000 Yeah, so in other words, the point you're making is that in many instances, when you give the people the vote, they get it wrong.

01:48:05.000 Well, they don't know what they're voting on.

01:48:06.000 Or maybe they don't understand it, or maybe they, look, maybe they disagree with me.

01:48:10.000 Maybe they think it'd be great if wolves killed all the elk and started killing wildlife and just, they were your first man.

01:48:17.000 To your point, I mean, listen, if you let Americans in like 1960 directly vote on whether or not black people should have equal rights...

01:48:26.000 Right.

01:48:27.000 They would have said no.

01:48:28.000 See, that's what, back to your point about rights, you cannot allow people to vote on rights.

01:48:33.000 That's right.

01:48:33.000 Rights are off the table.

01:48:34.000 That's it.

01:48:35.000 But what about things that would directly affect, like what if there was some sort of a vote to bring back coal-fired power plants because we can increase jobs and then you're going to, you know, we could take a little bit, we've got a chart here that shows that an increase in carbon doesn't actually do anything.

01:48:53.000 Turns out we just plant more trees and everything's fine.

01:48:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:56.000 There's a lot of people that would try to trick people with that kind of shit, right? 1.00

01:48:59.000 So, you're 100% right about this, and that's both the beauty and how messy democracy is. 0.99

01:49:05.000 Because, yeah, I would contend that if you give people a direct vote, the majority of the time, bar some sort of insane propaganda campaigns, the majority of the time they're going to get stuff right, but of course they're going to fucking get things wrong. 0.81

01:49:17.000 Of course. 0.90

01:49:18.000 That's just the nature of the beast.

01:49:19.000 It's like when, you know, in Gaza, when Palestinians voted, who'd they pick?

01:49:26.000 Hamas. 0.98

01:49:26.000 And, you know, of course, the West was like, we don't fucking like that. 0.98

01:49:30.000 We'd rather have them pick Fatah. 0.99

01:49:31.000 But it's like, if you believe in it as a matter of principle, then you win some and you lose some.

01:49:37.000 Just like how Democrats were distraught on the night Trump won in 2016, and Republicans were distraught on the night Biden won in the last election, by the way.

01:49:48.000 Didn't I nail it with every single thing I said in that podcast?

01:49:50.000 I went back and I watched it. 0.99

01:49:51.000 I was like, fuck, I'm more right than even I realized. 1.00

01:49:53.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:49:53.000 You so nailed it that anybody that had like conspiracy ideas about why, well, how come Trump was winning and Biden wound up winning after they counted in the mail-in votes? 0.99

01:50:04.000 I go, Kyle Kalinske called the entire thing from the beginning of the night.

01:50:08.000 Oh, baby, Kyle's a CIA operative.

01:50:11.000 Here to destroy America from the inside.

01:50:14.000 I'm on the hit list.

01:50:15.000 He's working with John Cena for the Chinese.

01:50:19.000 You're on the hit list?

01:50:21.000 Yeah, because I'm one of the biggest proponents of, or excuse me, biggest voices against all of their dirty wars.

01:50:29.000 In fact, the guy we just had on Crystal Kyle and Friends is the CIA's worst nightmare.

01:50:34.000 He wrote this book, The Devil's Chessboard.

01:50:35.000 What's his name?

01:50:36.000 His name is David Talbot.

01:50:37.000 You would love this guy.

01:50:39.000 I hope that it's got a good cover.

01:50:41.000 It's got a great cover, but, dude, it's all about Alan Dulles and the CIA and how Alan Dulles really killed JFK. This guy is the fucking CIA's worst nightmare. 0.98

01:50:49.000 I mean, they despise him, and we had him on Crystal Kyle and Friends. 1.00

01:50:52.000 It was a great podcast.

01:50:53.000 He told us all this amazing stuff.

01:50:55.000 Wow.

01:50:56.000 There it is. 1.00

01:50:58.000 I can't do any more fucking JFK shit. 1.00

01:51:01.000 I went on a JFK run for like three or four years of my life where I just read JFK assassination books. 1.00

01:51:10.000 Yeah.

01:51:11.000 It's just too much.

01:51:12.000 No, it is.

01:51:13.000 I wasn't even that into it, but Crystal got me into it. 1.00

01:51:17.000 They killed the fuck out of that president. 0.98

01:51:19.000 I mean, there was even a CNN article a few years ago that was like, listen, we went through all the conspiracies. 0.99

01:51:24.000 Was it Cuba?

01:51:25.000 Was it Russia?

01:51:26.000 Was it the mafia?

01:51:27.000 They said the only one we couldn't debunk was the CIA. Yeah.

01:51:32.000 That's CNN saying that!

01:51:33.000 That's nuts. 1.00

01:51:35.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:51:35.000 Was that when Trump was in office? 1.00

01:51:36.000 I think it was before Trump was in office.

01:51:38.000 Oh.

01:51:38.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 Yeah, they killed the shit out of that dude. 0.99

01:51:43.000 That's the big question. 0.98

01:51:44.000 How much real influence does a president actually have once they get into office?

01:51:49.000 How much can they really change?

01:51:51.000 And what happens when they start stepping out of line?

01:51:53.000 It's a great question.

01:51:55.000 Listen, I don't want to sound conspiratorial at all, but there is a thing called a deep state.

01:51:58.000 And by that I mean there's people who are there from every administration.

01:52:02.000 You know, who are, they're at the CIA, they're at the FBI, they're permanently there, and their jobs are not contingent on an election that happens every four years.

01:52:11.000 Right.

01:52:11.000 You know, and so they're calling a lot of the shots, particularly when it comes to foreign policy, if you're talking about the Pentagon, if you're talking about the CIA, these guys make a lot of the decisions.

01:52:19.000 So yeah, there's going to be some clashes behind the scenes.

01:52:22.000 There always are clashes behind the scenes.

01:52:23.000 Somebody made a great point.

01:52:24.000 They said...

01:52:25.000 We know, as a matter of fact, it's a historical record that the United States during the Cold War overthrew all these South American governments that we didn't like because they were leftist and we wanted to put in, you know, right-wing puppets who were more sympathetic to our ideology and allow capitalism to exist there.

01:52:41.000 So we overthrew all these governments.

01:52:43.000 What makes anybody think that we would just draw the line here at home?

01:52:47.000 Like what?

01:52:48.000 We're so magical and we're so special that the CIA people would be like, no, I have a moral stand against overthrowing our own president, even though we just overthrown 17 before lunch.

01:52:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:52:59.000 So, I mean, it's very, very plausible, man, that that's fucking killed the guy. 0.98

01:53:03.000 It's very plausible. 0.99

01:53:04.000 It's more likely than not.

01:53:06.000 Most Americans, there was another poll that showed I think most Americans don't buy the lone gunman theory.

01:53:12.000 No, they shouldn't. 1.00

01:53:13.000 It's a stupid theory. 1.00

01:53:15.000 I've had conversations with people about it and what they're willing to accept is so dumb. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Like, the magic bullet theory is literally one of the dumbest fucking theories. 1.00

01:53:25.000 Here's why. 1.00

01:53:26.000 Not that a bullet can't travel weirdly through people's bodies.

01:53:29.000 It definitely can.

01:53:31.000 The fact that the bullet came out pristine and there's more fragments in Connelly's wrist than are missing from the bullet and they just found that bullet magically on a gurney...

01:53:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:53:43.000 You found it.

01:53:44.000 And the only reason why they had to make up this magic bullet theory in the first place is because a guy got hit under the underpass with a ricochet.

01:53:50.000 And that guy, when he got hit under the underpass, he got hit and they go, okay, well, obviously one bullet hit this curb and it hit this guy.

01:54:00.000 So now we have to make one bullet go through two people and have all this damage. 0.99

01:54:06.000 When a more likely scenario is more fucking bullets, more gunshots. 0.99

01:54:11.000 And then also, like, the Bethesda, Maryland autopsy report is very different than what they described in Dallas. 0.99

01:54:19.000 In Dallas, they described the hole in his neck as an entry wound.

01:54:21.000 In Bethesda, Maryland, it was a tracheotomy.

01:54:24.000 And then they doctored his head.

01:54:27.000 They did a lot of stuff. 1.00

01:54:28.000 It's like his fucking brain was missing by the time he got to Bethesda. 0.99

01:54:33.000 David Lifton's book, Best Evidence, is fantastic about it, but it's terrifying. 1.00

01:54:38.000 Because as you get into it, deeper into the book, you start sweating. 0.99

01:54:41.000 You start going, Jesus Christ, these fucking people got away with it. 1.00

01:54:44.000 This is 1963. Alan Dulles, man. 1.00

01:54:47.000 It's all Alan Dulles.

01:54:48.000 And he's the airport.

01:54:49.000 The Dulles airport.

01:54:51.000 That's right.

01:54:51.000 He is the airport.

01:54:53.000 He is the airport.

01:54:54.000 Listen to that.

01:54:55.000 That guy was in bed with the Nazis, by the way.

01:54:57.000 Well, of course he was. 0.96

01:54:57.000 Yeah, he was in bed with the Nazis. 0.96

01:54:59.000 Well, the fucking entire NASA was filled with Nazis. 0.99

01:55:01.000 NASA was filled with Nazis, and a lot of those guys in the government at the time would tell you the real threat, the real enemies were the Soviets, it's not the Nazis. 0.99

01:55:07.000 Because Nazis were actually good for business. 1.00

01:55:10.000 Because there was a lot of business connections.

01:55:11.000 Listen.

01:55:13.000 That's still not good.

01:55:15.000 I mean, Werner Von Braun used to hang the five slowest Jews in front of his rocket factory in Berlin. 1.00

01:55:21.000 The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if Wernher von Braun was alive, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

01:55:28.000 Wow.

01:55:28.000 He was a real Nazi.

01:55:30.000 Like a bona fide, dyed in the wool, hanging out with Hitler Nazi. 1.00

01:55:35.000 And all those fucking guys that came over in Operation Paperclip that had dueling scars on their faces. 0.99

01:55:42.000 Do you know about the dueling scars? 0.99

01:55:44.000 No.

01:55:46.000 Nazis had this thing where they would they would put goggles on and they would have sword fights with real swords like rapiers real thin swords and they would slice the fuck out of their faces and it was a thing that they would do These these like dueling contests were like these scars were a badge of honor and so a lot of these guys would walk around with these Horrific facial scars. 0.98

01:56:10.000 And that was to let all these other people know these are bad motherfuckers that did the dueling thing. 1.00

01:56:15.000 You need to see these images. 0.99

01:56:17.000 That's creepy.

01:56:17.000 I can't believe you don't know about this.

01:56:19.000 No. 0.99

01:56:19.000 Yeah, they would put goggles on and long thin swords and they would have fucking sword fights and try to mark up each other's faces. 0.99

01:56:25.000 See, I thought in movies when they had the Nazis have the scars, I thought that was just for dramatic effect. 0.98

01:56:30.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:56:30.000 Show me some images of Nazi dueling scars.

01:56:33.000 Famous members of the Operation Paperclip people that came over had Nazi dueling scars on their face.

01:56:41.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:56:44.000 Yeah, it was really common. 0.99

01:56:46.000 By the way, they're fucking, look at these guys all, look at that guy with the goggles. 0.99

01:56:50.000 That's what it looked like. 0.99

01:56:51.000 So that's how they'd slice each other up.

01:56:53.000 But it was like a badge of courage and a badge of honor.

01:56:56.000 Like they would proudly wear these.

01:56:58.000 Can you go down and get the guy in the lower bottom with the blue hat?

01:57:01.000 Lower bottom with the blue hat?

01:57:02.000 Yeah, that guy. 1.00

01:57:03.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

01:57:04.000 Wow. 1.00

01:57:05.000 Slice this guy's face open. 0.99

01:57:06.000 Whoa. 0.86

01:57:07.000 He obviously had some skin grafted to the bottom of his face.

01:57:10.000 He definitely did.

01:57:10.000 That's exactly what that looks like.

01:57:11.000 Look at that guy on the right, right next to your cursor right there.

01:57:14.000 Yeah, look at this guy. 0.99

01:57:15.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:57:16.000 That was really common. 0.99

01:57:17.000 So when you see these guys...

01:57:19.000 They had these scars on their face.

01:57:22.000 It was to let you know.

01:57:23.000 Look at the guy in the upper, with the tie, the upper, that guy right there.

01:57:27.000 Oh my god, yeah, that guy with the hook one.

01:57:29.000 Oh my god. 0.96

01:57:30.000 They'd slice each other's faces open. 0.68

01:57:31.000 Yeah. 0.53

01:57:32.000 And so they would walk around with those and everybody knew that this guy was a Nazi.

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 Yeah.

01:57:41.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:20.000 Well you know a lot of people think that whenever you get someone who's involved in running a country that has this sort of powerful cult of personality thing going for them, like Hitler, that they craft a kind of a religion.

01:58:36.000 Around that person.

01:58:37.000 That person becomes a savior.

01:58:39.000 That was what a lot of people were worried about with Trump. 0.99

01:58:42.000 The really dumb people that were into Trump looked at Trump like Trump was a messenger from Jesus. 0.98

01:58:48.000 They really thought he was sent here to do something really special because God was tired about all the sin and the way people were treating each other and the way people were living their lives. 1.00

01:58:59.000 He was going to send Trump, of all fucking people. 1.00

01:59:03.000 What I'm amazed by is when you drive across this country, everybody still has up all of their Trump shit. 1.00

01:59:10.000 They didn't miss a fucking beat. 1.00

01:59:12.000 Remember when Hillary lost? 0.99

01:59:13.000 She had to go in the woods for a while.

01:59:15.000 She had to get away.

01:59:16.000 You gotta get away.

01:59:16.000 When Mitt Romney lost, you gotta go away.

01:59:18.000 Nobody wants to see you.

01:59:19.000 Nobody wants to hear from you. 1.00

01:59:19.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:59:20.000 You're a loser. 1.00

01:59:21.000 Trump somehow, he was only away for like two and a half minutes and he came right back on the scene. 1.00

01:59:26.000 I think part of that is because he's been silenced by social media.

01:59:29.000 You know, he has.

01:59:31.000 He has.

01:59:31.000 And it's crazy.

01:59:33.000 The New York Times released this thing where they showed, like, all the searches for him when he was still on Twitter versus now the searches now that he's off Twitter. 0.99

01:59:40.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:59:42.000 It is crazy. 1.00

01:59:42.000 And he launched his own little social media thing on his website, this blog that he tried to make look like Twitter. 1.00

01:59:48.000 He did it for, like, less than a month, and then he was like, I'm not doing this anymore because the numbers were fucking terrible. 0.74

01:59:52.000 Nobody was watching. 0.90

01:59:53.000 But that shows you if they could silence the president... 1.00

01:59:55.000 The former president, any one of us are at their fucking whim. 0.98

01:59:58.000 And that gets back to what we were talking about earlier, the thing that I'm afraid of with my YouTube channel. 0.98

02:00:02.000 I mean, I used to gain about 30,000 to 40,000 subscribers per month.

02:00:08.000 And then, as soon as the YouTube CEO started talking about, we're cracking down on borderline content.

02:00:16.000 So in other words, not the stuff that's clearly over the line.

02:00:18.000 The stuff that's like close to the line.

02:00:21.000 What we want to do is not pump that out to new people.

02:00:24.000 So they make it so they de-rank you in the algorithm so you're not spread to new people.

02:00:29.000 I went from gaining 30 or 40 thousand subs a month to about 4 thousand subs a month.

02:00:34.000 And so it's a stark contrast immediately after her saying that.

02:00:38.000 Exactly.

02:00:38.000 And not only that, people will tell you, who are long-time listeners of my show, hey, I used to put the autoplay on, click one of your videos, and it would play 20 of your videos in a row.

02:00:45.000 Now you put the autoplay on, you click one of my videos, it goes from me to John Oliver, or me to fucking Trevor Noah.

02:00:51.000 So they take people who are almost like the fake outsider voices, and they're like, ah, that's outsider enough, I guess.

02:00:56.000 Put that in right after Kyle, and they'll probably watch that.

02:00:58.000 So not gonna lie to you, Joe, it's a giant hit.

02:01:01.000 I went from...

02:01:02.000 I lost, what was the number?

02:01:03.000 Jackson Hinkle looked into this, another great YouTuber, and there was an 88% drop in new subs in one month.

02:01:12.000 Wow.

02:01:14.000 88%.

02:01:14.000 And now listen.

02:01:15.000 Did you change how you dress?

02:01:16.000 I was just going to say, if it's like me...

02:01:18.000 Maybe you need to dress sexy. 0.99

02:01:20.000 Maybe I'll show some nipple. 1.00

02:01:22.000 Show everybody some nipple. 1.00

02:01:23.000 Maybe tank top. 0.99

02:01:24.000 There is something to this.

02:01:25.000 I'm looking at the Social Blade, which is like public information.

02:01:29.000 And when you look at the secular talk here, right around March, which is probably when the campaign stuff was...

02:01:36.000 Ramping up.

02:01:37.000 What is that big spike?

02:01:38.000 Is that when you were on the podcast?

02:01:40.000 No, that's not when I was on the podcast, I believe.

02:01:42.000 This was the election, so that might be then.

02:01:44.000 That is the one you were on the podcast.

02:01:46.000 But this was like a flat line for all of the campaign area.

02:01:49.000 Yep.

02:01:50.000 Dude, look what happened to you when you came on our podcast, though.

02:01:52.000 Well, then they let it go.

02:01:54.000 Maybe.

02:01:55.000 No, no.

02:01:56.000 He was on this podcast.

02:01:57.000 So everybody found out about it.

02:01:59.000 So what happens is, whether I go on your podcast, and by the way, everybody, Secular Talk on YouTube, please check it out.

02:02:04.000 Secular Talk.

02:02:06.000 Whether it's that, there was also when Crystal and I launched our new show, Crystal Kyle and Friends, we got a little bug from that.

02:02:12.000 When we talked to Andrew Yang on our podcast, Crystal Kyle and Friends, we got a little...

02:02:15.000 So I still get it, but it's got to be something like big.

02:02:17.000 You got to do things.

02:02:18.000 Exactly, Rez. 0.98

02:02:19.000 Before, I wake up and fart into the microphone and gain fucking 40,000 subscribers. 0.98

02:02:24.000 Interesting. 0.98

02:02:25.000 Because they're deciding who should grow and who shouldn't.

02:02:29.000 And there must be some...

02:02:30.000 Like, remember when CNN was talking about podcasters, about how, you know, that there's people on YouTube that get more views than a CNN show?

02:02:41.000 As if it was some horrible thing.

02:02:42.000 They didn't even understand the way they were describing it.

02:02:45.000 They were describing it as if they're entitled to viewers.

02:02:48.000 Right?

02:02:49.000 That's right.

02:02:49.000 They were saying, there's people on YouTube right now that get more views in this show.

02:02:54.000 This is because the market is spoken.

02:02:57.000 Right. 1.00

02:02:57.000 And your show's fucking terrible. 1.00

02:02:59.000 That's right. 1.00

02:02:59.000 They suck. 1.00

02:03:00.000 They're terrible at their job. 1.00

02:03:00.000 Brian Stelter's show keeps slipping and slipping and slipping in the ratings. 1.00

02:03:04.000 He's the worst.

02:03:04.000 Same with Don Lemon.

02:03:06.000 It's the same thing.

02:03:07.000 Everybody knows that they're not real.

02:03:09.000 They're not real humans.

02:03:10.000 And Joe, when you read those articles and you listen to those guys talk, Stelter's done this a number of times.

02:03:15.000 There are segments where they're outright calling for censorship.

02:03:19.000 Yes.

02:03:19.000 They're like, hey, please, de-platform the people who I don't like because, you know, oh, they're saying things that are conspiracy theories.

02:03:26.000 And by the way, they use that for fucking anything. 0.95

02:03:28.000 They use it so loosely. 0.98

02:03:30.000 How about Brian Stelter talking to the press secretary saying, what are we doing wrong?

02:03:34.000 What are we doing wrong? 0.99

02:03:35.000 Like, hey, motherfucker, you're supposed to be a journalist. 0.99

02:03:38.000 And they wonder why they get no views. 1.00

02:03:40.000 But it's not even that.

02:03:41.000 It's like they're obviously being told a certain amount of what to do. 0.98

02:03:47.000 And I mean, maybe he'd be an interesting guy if he had his own fucking podcast. 0.96

02:03:50.000 If he could just rely on his own personality and be himself. 0.98

02:03:53.000 I don't know.

02:03:55.000 I can't imagine doing that gig.

02:03:57.000 No, you're 100% right about that.

02:03:58.000 Any of those guys.

02:03:59.000 That gig is a strange gig.

02:04:01.000 Listen, I have, now for the first time in my life, I've always been outside of the traditional media system, but now for the first time in my life, I have first-hand experience with how this stuff operates in corporate media, and it's even more gross than I thought it was.

02:04:14.000 How so?

02:04:14.000 So, when I launched, we launched Crystal Kyle and Friends, my new podcast with Crystal Ball.

02:04:21.000 It's an interview show that we do.

02:04:23.000 They were basically on the way out at the Hill, the corporation that they worked for.

02:04:29.000 Now, they're one of very few people who've actually maintained to create a really, really good show within the confines of the corporate media system.

02:04:38.000 Like, they're a real outsider voice that somehow slipped under the radar and were on corporate media.

02:04:43.000 So, when they were going, when they were leaving, they had their goodbye video ready.

02:04:48.000 They were going to put it up.

02:04:50.000 At the last minute behind the scenes, the higher-ups at the Hill changed the title on the video.

02:04:57.000 To something incredibly vague, hoping that nobody would watch.

02:05:00.000 It was like Today on Rising or something like that they put, as opposed to what it was supposed to be, which was a big send-off for Crystal and Sagar and, you know, they're starting a new venture and all that stuff.

02:05:08.000 Not only did they do that, they changed the video from, it was supposed to be what's called a premiere video on YouTube, which usually gets more views and gets some more eyeballs.

02:05:16.000 They changed it from a premiere video to a regular video.

02:05:20.000 Again, to try to decrease the view count.

02:05:23.000 Then, after it was up for a couple days, they pulled that video down.

02:05:28.000 To try to like, if people tune in to the show Rising for Crystal and Sagar, they wanted to sort of bury the fact that Crystal and Sagar are gonna be gone permanently, and so they took that video down.

02:05:38.000 Then I did a video calling that out.

02:05:40.000 And they put it back up a day later.

02:05:43.000 Now, that's just the stuff that's like public for everybody to see.

02:05:49.000 What they don't know is that behind the scenes, Crystal basically had to beg the higher-ups, for the love of God, please let me put our show on YouTube. 0.96

02:05:57.000 That's where the audience is. 0.99

02:05:58.000 Don't be dumb. 0.98

02:05:59.000 Please let us put our show on YouTube. 0.98

02:06:01.000 So you mean initially when it first launched?

02:06:03.000 Initially when it first launched.

02:06:04.000 And for the longest time, no, no, no, you don't know what you're talking about.

02:06:08.000 What did they have it on?

02:06:09.000 They had it on this thing called like Hill.TV or something like that.

02:06:12.000 So it was on a website?

02:06:13.000 Yes, and it was getting no views, Joe.

02:06:15.000 None. 0.87

02:06:15.000 And so Crystal's like, I'm not an idiot. 0.87

02:06:17.000 We gotta put it on YouTube.

02:06:19.000 Finally, they let her put it on YouTube.

02:06:21.000 Fast forward to now, Crystal and I are launching our show.

02:06:23.000 She gets the okay from the higher-ups over there.

02:06:27.000 They dare to say to her, after we put our first episode on YouTube and it does phenomenally well, you can't put it on YouTube anymore.

02:06:34.000 I own you on YouTube.

02:06:37.000 What?

02:06:38.000 They said those words to her.

02:06:39.000 I own you on YouTube.

02:06:42.000 And so there was, people don't know about this, there was a standoff behind the scenes.

02:06:45.000 I own you on YouTube.

02:06:48.000 So in other words, they said, no, you can't put it up when they thought it was a bad idea.

02:06:51.000 They finally let her put it up.

02:06:52.000 Then they turn around.

02:06:53.000 After she's become phenomenally successful, and Saga's become phenomenally successful, and Rising has taken off, and now that Crystal wants to start a new show with a new host, me, they view that as competition.

02:07:03.000 So they're like...

02:07:04.000 You're not allowed to put the new show on YouTube, even though we gave you the okay to put it on YouTube.

02:07:08.000 He really said, we own you?

02:07:10.000 One of the corporate higher-ups, don't know the name, one of the corporate higher-ups said, and I quote, I own you on YouTube.

02:07:16.000 I own you on YouTube.

02:07:18.000 Now it gets even worse, Joe.

02:07:20.000 It's getting worse and worse.

02:07:21.000 Is there, did they have an exclusivity contract?

02:07:24.000 Where they couldn't be on YouTube as a part of the contract?

02:07:27.000 So what happened is they were in the new negotiating phase for a new contract, and in that new contract it was like, we're not coming back if I don't get to put this thing on YouTube.

02:07:36.000 And so they were like, okay, fine, you can put it on YouTube.

02:07:38.000 Then they basically reneged on that.

02:07:40.000 You see the point I'm trying to make?

02:07:42.000 But how can they renege if it's a contract?

02:07:44.000 Well, they were in the negotiation part of the- Oh, so they didn't actually sign it.

02:07:49.000 That's exactly right.

02:07:50.000 So, the worst part is, so I launch it and tell my whole audience, and we're so excited, we get a lot of views on the first one, and we tell them, this is how it's going to work.

02:08:03.000 Audio's free for everybody, but if you want the video and you want it a day early, you pay $5 on Substack.

02:08:10.000 After I told my audience, they tell Crystal, you're not even allowed to acknowledge this new podcast's existence.

02:08:18.000 So now, and by the way, Joe, we decided we're going to take no ad money.

02:08:22.000 No, we're not going to read any ads.

02:08:24.000 We're not going to have any YouTube ads.

02:08:25.000 We're just doing it, the subscription model, small dollar donations.

02:08:29.000 And then they tell me, she can't mention it to her audience, even though she even had more subscribers than I had.

02:08:36.000 And so we build this new thing.

02:08:38.000 We're making 25% of what we could make, 50% of what we could make. 0.97

02:08:42.000 And they say, by the way, we're going to cut off your access to half or more of the fucking people who would want to watch your podcast.

02:08:48.000 But wait a minute, are you saying that they wouldn't let her advertise you and her on their show that they pay for? 0.91

02:08:55.000 She couldn't mention...

02:08:57.000 Okay, but she couldn't mention that show on this show that they pay for, right.

02:09:02.000 On Rising.

02:09:03.000 Right.

02:09:03.000 Can't mention it.

02:09:04.000 Right, but isn't that competition?

02:09:06.000 Wouldn't that make sense, though?

02:09:07.000 It doesn't make sense in our world.

02:09:10.000 Well, that's my point.

02:09:11.000 It doesn't make sense in our world, our world of podcasts, because we always mention each other's shows.

02:09:16.000 It's part of the fun of podcasts that you can kind of help each other out.

02:09:20.000 So they're pretending that this is a podcast because it's on YouTube, but they're treating it like corporate media.

02:09:27.000 That's exactly right.

02:09:29.000 And I was also banned.

02:09:31.000 I used to go on Rising all the time.

02:09:33.000 We talked about this yesterday.

02:09:34.000 Yes.

02:09:34.000 That you were one of their biggest guests in terms of the amount of numbers you would get.

02:09:38.000 And then as soon as you two did a podcast together outside of it, you were banned.

02:09:42.000 You're banned.

02:09:43.000 You can't come back on.

02:09:43.000 Yeah, you can't ban people.

02:09:45.000 That kind of shit. 1.00

02:09:46.000 Working for someone who says, you can't have this person come on. 1.00

02:09:50.000 Why?

02:09:50.000 Are they a criminal?

02:09:51.000 Are they eating babies? 0.99

02:09:52.000 What are they doing?

02:09:53.000 Oh, they're competition.

02:09:55.000 That's nonsense. 0.61

02:09:56.000 That's pure nonsense. 0.59

02:09:58.000 But that's also...

02:09:59.000 Normal for that world.

02:10:01.000 That's exactly right.

02:10:02.000 And that's the point that I'm making here is that that's what that old world is like.

02:10:07.000 So the new media world, we're all friends.

02:10:11.000 We're all talking to each other.

02:10:12.000 Everything is cross-promotional.

02:10:13.000 Yes.

02:10:14.000 Everything.

02:10:14.000 And it helps everybody.

02:10:15.000 Like when I got you on the End of the World podcast when we did the thing with Tim Dillon with the election, that was great for me. 0.99

02:10:22.000 It's great for you and great for me because me and Tim could have fun, but we don't know what the fuck's going on.

02:10:27.000 You actually understand how the whole system works and you are eerily accurate. 0.90

02:10:31.000 That's great for everybody.

02:10:33.000 First of all, your show's great, so it's great for me to promote it because I want it to do well because I enjoy it.

02:10:38.000 I appreciate that.

02:10:39.000 Thank you, man.

02:10:40.000 But this open-minded approach that podcasters have, this...

02:10:45.000 This bountiful perspective versus a famine mindset.

02:10:49.000 This famine perspective that has always existed in traditional media is because of the fact there's only a few time slots.

02:10:57.000 Everybody wanted Thursday at 8 o'clock.

02:10:58.000 That's when Friends was on.

02:11:00.000 That was the whole thing.

02:11:01.000 They wanted this time slot thing and you were competing for that so it was very cutthroat.

02:11:07.000 But the internet has no time slots.

02:11:09.000 It's all wide open and it's always there.

02:11:12.000 I mean, some people do their shows live, and that, I guess, it's kind of, there's competition, but you don't have to watch live.

02:11:19.000 If they do it live, it goes up later.

02:11:23.000 It's not necessary to have that mindset.

02:11:25.000 Yeah.

02:11:26.000 Now, listen, I want to be clear.

02:11:27.000 There are workers at The Hill who I think are good people.

02:11:30.000 They're just trying to pay the bills, and they're like anybody else.

02:11:33.000 My beef was really with the higher-ups.

02:11:35.000 The higher-ups don't need to exist.

02:11:37.000 That's exactly my point, man.

02:11:38.000 They're really unnecessary.

02:11:39.000 That's exactly my point.

02:11:40.000 All they do is get in the way.

02:11:41.000 All they do is make people's lives more difficult.

02:11:43.000 All they do is zero-sum thinking and exclusionary and you're banned and you can't do this and you can't do that.

02:11:47.000 They act like executives and they extract money.

02:11:49.000 But there's no need for them in this world.

02:11:52.000 And this is why it's so amazing that Crystal and Sagar have left and done this Breaking Points show and the show...

02:12:00.000 Became hugely successful right out of the gate.

02:12:02.000 Number one political show in the country.

02:12:04.000 Immediately.

02:12:05.000 And that's because it's really good.

02:12:07.000 And look how they're doing it.

02:12:08.000 They're just doing it by themselves.

02:12:09.000 They don't need anybody to be their executive.

02:12:12.000 They don't need anybody looming over their shoulder, making decisions for them, telling them what they can't do, putting restrictions on them that are arbitrary.

02:12:19.000 And then also extracting exorbitant amounts of money.

02:12:23.000 The difference in the amount of money that they were making there versus on their own Is mind-blowing.

02:12:28.000 And guess what?

02:12:29.000 Now the money that they're making, it's all independent.

02:12:32.000 It's all organic.

02:12:33.000 It's all the audience saying, we love you and we want to reward you.

02:12:37.000 So in the case of Crystal and Sagar, they pay the $10 a month and get the perks that come along with breaking points.

02:12:41.000 In the case of Crystal Kyle and Friends, they pay the $5 on Substack.

02:12:45.000 This is the way it's supposed to work. 1.00

02:12:47.000 And people have gotten so fed up with the old system and the rigid hierarchy and the assholes who don't know what the fuck they're talking about or what they're doing trying to control us. 0.99

02:12:57.000 Do you have any idea how pissed I was, Joe, when they told me... 1.00

02:13:12.000 We're good to go.

02:13:20.000 Okay, but they've switched them two times.

02:13:22.000 That's why I'm asking who.

02:13:23.000 Oh, really?

02:13:23.000 Two times already?

02:13:24.000 Well, yes.

02:13:25.000 Ryan Grimm was doing it with this...

02:13:27.000 Gentleman with the glasses?

02:13:28.000 Yes.

02:13:28.000 That's Ryan Grimm.

02:13:29.000 Okay.

02:13:29.000 So Ryan Grimm's an intelligent guy.

02:13:31.000 He's a reporter for The Intercept.

02:13:31.000 Yeah, he's very good.

02:13:33.000 He's intelligent.

02:13:34.000 The new ones who are actually filling in now, a guy named Colin and somebody else named Emily, not the same Emily, a different Emily.

02:13:40.000 It's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

02:13:42.000 So they got rid of that Ryan guy?

02:13:44.000 Well, they were temporary anyway.

02:13:45.000 They weren't permanent anyway.

02:13:47.000 So that's them.

02:13:48.000 Oh, this is the new guy.

02:13:49.000 Yes, Colin and Emily.

02:13:50.000 And I watched one segment that they did, Joe, and they were talking about, you know, the IRS leaks where we found that billionaires were paying 0.1% in taxes, and the most any of them were paying was like 3.5%.

02:14:00.000 The first segment I watched is them saying, I'm so outraged, we need to crack down on whoever leaked this.

02:14:07.000 No.

02:14:08.000 Swear to God.

02:14:09.000 Swear to God.

02:14:10.000 No.

02:14:11.000 Swear to God.

02:14:12.000 Well, what happened to that guy from The Intercept?

02:14:14.000 He was only temporary filling in.

02:14:16.000 He didn't want to do it permanently.

02:14:17.000 Oh.

02:14:18.000 Well, he needs to do his own show.

02:14:19.000 He was really good.

02:14:20.000 He's a good reporter.

02:14:20.000 He does real reporting.

02:14:21.000 Who was the girl that was with him?

02:14:24.000 I don't know.

02:14:25.000 I think she was from One American News Network.

02:14:28.000 Because I wanted to hate them.

02:14:30.000 Right?

02:14:32.000 Sager and Crystal are my friends.

02:14:34.000 Yeah, brand loyalty, you'll love them, right?

02:14:35.000 And, you know, I'm like, who's this fake Crystal?

02:14:37.000 Who's this fake Sager? 0.98

02:14:38.000 They even switched their places. 1.00

02:14:39.000 What is this bullshit? 1.00

02:14:40.000 But I watch the two of them together, I'm like, oh, they're really good. 0.99

02:14:42.000 Listen, Ryan Grimm's a good guy, and to his credit, and I really mean this, Because there are higher-ups there.

02:14:47.000 Lord only knows what they're saying to him behind the scenes.

02:14:49.000 But he went out there the very first day and he said, everybody check out Breaking Points with Crystal and Sagar, their thing.

02:14:54.000 Here's where you can find their show.

02:14:56.000 Good for him.

02:14:57.000 Who was the woman that was with him? 0.55

02:14:58.000 Because she was really good, too.

02:15:00.000 And it was along the same vein.

02:15:03.000 It was independent thinkers.

02:15:05.000 They were talking about things honestly.

02:15:07.000 They were objective.

02:15:08.000 They were breaking down the facts. 0.97

02:15:10.000 It was no bullshit rhetoric. 0.96

02:15:12.000 It was... 0.89

02:15:13.000 It was, you know, I liked it.

02:15:14.000 I was like, okay, you know, I will watch this too.

02:15:18.000 You know, this seemed good too.

02:15:19.000 I have a prediction for you, Joe.

02:15:21.000 Okay, they'll do their own podcast now?

02:15:23.000 No, I think Rising, as it currently exists, is going to fail.

02:15:28.000 Because of these new people?

02:15:30.000 Yes.

02:15:30.000 Why don't they go bring Ryan back and whoever that girl was?

02:15:33.000 I think they're doomed because Rising was Crystal and Sager's baby.

02:15:37.000 They came up with it.

02:15:38.000 And now they're just trying to plug people into those spots to play the role of what should be Crystal and should be Sager.

02:15:43.000 Oh, so it's like when Doug Stanhope and I took over the man show.

02:15:46.000 100%.

02:15:47.000 It's exactly like that.

02:15:48.000 But you guys are super talented.

02:15:50.000 They wanted us to be something very different than we wanted.

02:15:52.000 That's right.

02:15:52.000 That's exactly right.

02:15:53.000 When you go to that, what is the woman's name?

02:15:59.000 All I can find is that it was the same girl that was just on the screen, Emily.

02:16:02.000 It was Emily?

02:16:03.000 Okay.

02:16:03.000 I only watched one video.

02:16:05.000 My memory sucks.

02:16:06.000 That's Emily. 0.87

02:16:07.000 She was really good with Ryan, too.

02:16:08.000 They were both good together.

02:16:09.000 I think they switched the woman two or three times, and the guy has gone from Ryan Grimm to now Colin.

02:16:15.000 And Colin's not good?

02:16:16.000 Well, Colin and whoever he was talking to in the video I saw, when I watched it and they were saying it's an outrage that the whistleblower leaked the stuff on the billionaires.

02:16:25.000 I was like, I'm done.

02:16:26.000 Click out.

02:16:27.000 So do you think that was like someone brought that to them and say, this is what I want you guys to talk about?

02:16:31.000 No.

02:16:31.000 There was a different co-host.

02:16:32.000 I'm trying to find it.

02:16:33.000 I still can't find it, though.

02:16:34.000 But there was someone else.

02:16:35.000 Okay.

02:16:36.000 No worries.

02:16:37.000 I'm sorry.

02:16:37.000 What was your question?

02:16:38.000 Do you think that someone, they gave them talking points to say that?

02:16:42.000 No, no, no.

02:16:42.000 I think that...

02:16:43.000 That's the kind of person he is?

02:16:45.000 The way old media works is, you know, people are applying for jobs and they're regular people and they have some background in politics, but do they have the same sort of passion and independence and ideology as Crystal and Sagar?

02:16:55.000 No.

02:16:56.000 Crystal and Sagar are super unique, you know?

02:16:59.000 They've really thought through all these things.

02:17:00.000 They really have strong positions.

02:17:02.000 Mm-hmm.

02:17:02.000 And that's why their dynamic is so good as well, is that, you know, they are coming from a place where they really believe something.

02:17:07.000 And, you know, you could sniff it from a mile away when somebody's really just sort of playing the role.

02:17:11.000 And so now you have more of a, I would say, a partisan Democrat and a partisan Republican that are going to fill the seats for Crystal and Sager.

02:17:19.000 Whereas Crystal and Sager are, I would argue, more populist left and populist right.

02:17:24.000 So the populism is the thing that's really the key ingredient and the fact that they're just original and intelligent in their own respect.

02:17:30.000 Interesting.

02:17:31.000 They definitely have great chemistry together.

02:17:35.000 It's funny when someone tries to recreate things, right?

02:17:38.000 Like when someone says, we're going to make our version of that thing.

02:17:42.000 But actual natural dynamics, things that just exist and they come together nice, you can't really recreate those things very easily.

02:17:52.000 It's very difficult.

02:17:53.000 Who could take your place?

02:17:56.000 I'll answer.

02:17:57.000 Nobody can.

02:17:58.000 Nobody can.

02:17:58.000 You made it because you're Joe Rogan.

02:18:00.000 People, when they want to watch your podcast, there's not something close enough that can scratch the itch.

02:18:05.000 They want your podcast.

02:18:07.000 Someone can figure out how to do what I'm doing.

02:18:09.000 They would never, ever, ever be able to recreate the monumental success that you've created.

02:18:14.000 There's no way.

02:18:15.000 None.

02:18:16.000 I don't even know what I did. 0.98

02:18:17.000 That's the fucking hilarious part. 0.96

02:18:19.000 That's part of the appeal, too, is that everybody knows you're a regular dude, and they love that. 0.97

02:18:24.000 There's not an ounce of fakery in you, and in order to recreate it with somebody else, it's by definition fake.

02:18:31.000 Yeah, but someone could be themselves.

02:18:33.000 Yeah, but it wouldn't be Joe Rogan experience.

02:18:35.000 It would be the Bob Fucknut experience.

02:18:36.000 Bob Fucknut might be a good guy. 0.97

02:18:39.000 Don't count out Bob Fucknut. 0.93

02:18:41.000 I want there to be, I bet, because he blows loads like Tommy Segura.

02:18:47.000 Got anything?

02:18:48.000 No?

02:18:48.000 Can't find her?

02:18:49.000 She's the only other person that's existed.

02:18:51.000 I think it might be her.

02:18:52.000 I think the gal had glasses. 1.00

02:18:54.000 I don't remember, though.

02:18:55.000 But anyway, whoever the two of them were, they were good. 0.99

02:18:58.000 And I was hoping they sucked. 0.98

02:19:00.000 And I was like, actually, this is good. 0.97

02:19:03.000 I just think I want more things that are good to watch.

02:19:09.000 My stance on stand-up comedy is exactly the same way.

02:19:12.000 I'm a giant supporter of stand-up.

02:19:14.000 I love it.

02:19:15.000 I want to help people.

02:19:16.000 I want more people to do it.

02:19:17.000 I'd say, and I mean this, I think you're one of the most open-minded people I've ever met.

02:19:21.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:19:22.000 You have very little, like, fuck-off in you. 1.00

02:19:26.000 I got a little fuck off, but my fuck off is for fuckery. 1.00

02:19:29.000 You know, when people just, when it's like openly horse shit. 1.00

02:19:32.000 Like, come on. 1.00

02:19:33.000 If someone's like, you know, like fucking psychics or something like that, you gotta meet my reader. 1.00

02:19:37.000 Like, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:19:38.000 My reader? 0.98

02:19:39.000 I've had people say that to me.

02:19:40.000 My psychic reader.

02:19:41.000 Let her read your cards.

02:19:43.000 I'm like, no.

02:19:43.000 Tarot cards?

02:19:44.000 No, I'm not gonna let her read my cards.

02:19:47.000 That reminds me of Miss Cleo. 1.00

02:19:49.000 Remember Miss Cleo in the 1990s?

02:19:51.000 Sure.

02:19:51.000 Didn't Dionne Warwick have a show like Psychic Friends Network?

02:19:55.000 Wasn't there something like that?

02:19:56.000 Was it Dionne Warwick?

02:19:57.000 Was it, right?

02:19:58.000 Yeah.

02:19:59.000 Dionne Warwick, the amazing singer, had the Psychic Friends Network.

02:20:02.000 That's so weird.

02:20:03.000 He was a singer and he did that?

02:20:04.000 A woman.

02:20:05.000 Dionne Warwick.

02:20:06.000 Do you know who Dionne is?

02:20:07.000 No.

02:20:08.000 Do you know the way to San Jose?

02:20:11.000 I know that song, yes.

02:20:12.000 Yeah, Psychic Friends Network.

02:20:14.000 What?

02:20:15.000 1992. That's Dionne Warwick.

02:20:17.000 Oh, my God.

02:20:18.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:20:20.000 Dionne Warwick would sit you down with a bunch of people that were lying, and they would pretend that they knew things, and they would sit there.

02:20:26.000 Oh, there's Linda Georgian.

02:20:27.000 Oh, my God.

02:20:28.000 Yeah, that guy is psychic, and she's psychic.

02:20:31.000 Oh, these are people from One Life to Live and Another World.

02:20:36.000 So there's soap opera stars that were like, this psychic changed the way I do my readings.

02:20:41.000 Dude.

02:20:43.000 Now when I play my character...

02:20:46.000 The voice! 0.99

02:20:49.000 The voice is ridiculous. 1.00

02:20:50.000 Let me hear that. 0.97

02:20:51.000 Give me some of that.

02:20:52.000 Go back.

02:20:53.000 That voice is...

02:20:53.000 No, no, no.

02:20:57.000 Go back.

02:20:58.000 I need to hear what this fucking nonsense is. 0.99

02:21:01.000 Hear what one of our psychics had to say about daytime TV's hottest couple. 0.99

02:21:06.000 Is this gonna be the end of our relationship?

02:21:09.000 I mean, is this gonna ultimately destroy our- I asked her- Who asked her that?

02:21:12.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 Imagine that's the commercial.

02:21:17.000 She's like, you asked her that? 1.00

02:21:18.000 What the fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

02:21:20.000 Don't you know we're gonna be together forever? 1.00

02:21:22.000 You're such an asshole, Mark! 1.00

02:21:24.000 Oh my god! 1.00

02:21:26.000 How the fuck did you ask the psychic something you already know? 1.00

02:21:29.000 We're gonna be together forever, right? 1.00

02:21:31.000 God damn it! 0.99

02:21:34.000 First of all, 90s infomercials are glorious. 0.99

02:21:36.000 How about Dionne Warwick's hair?

02:21:37.000 How about that?

02:21:38.000 That was something special.

02:21:39.000 You never heard Dionne Warwick sing? 0.99

02:21:41.000 No, the song that you just sang, I've heard before, but I didn't know who the fuck sang it. 0.99

02:21:44.000 I didn't know her name. 0.99

02:21:45.000 It's a beautiful voice.

02:21:46.000 It's always sad when someone's genuinely talented and you see them wind up doing something like that.

02:21:51.000 You're just ripping people off.

02:21:53.000 Just stealing.

02:21:54.000 That is bad.

02:21:55.000 Because it really is.

02:21:56.000 The Psychic Within.

02:21:57.000 Oh boy.

02:21:58.000 What is that, a game?

02:22:00.000 It's a psychic kit you can buy on Amazon.

02:22:02.000 Oh no!

02:22:03.000 This must be really old and someone still has it.

02:22:06.000 It's only $21.95, Joe.

02:22:08.000 I feel like we should order it.

02:22:09.000 It contains a full-color video featuring Linda Georgian.

02:22:13.000 That's that lady. 1.00

02:22:14.000 Go back to that so I can see what that said there.

02:22:16.000 Full-color video featuring Lisa Georgian, Linda Georgian, and the master psychics.

02:22:22.000 Ooh, look.

02:22:23.000 They're taking in two I's.

02:22:26.000 How about they spelled taking wrong?

02:22:27.000 I don't trust them.

02:22:30.000 They're tacking.

02:22:32.000 How about that?

02:22:35.000 They're taking you step by step, but they're spelling taking with an extra I. Nobody even caught that.

02:22:41.000 What if we go back to that in a week and they'll go, oh, they're talking shit about us. 0.93

02:22:44.000 We're going to change the wording. 0.97

02:22:45.000 The psychic within.

02:22:47.000 Do you remember crossing over with John Edward?

02:22:49.000 Oh, that guy was a real charlatan, right?

02:22:51.000 Oh, man.

02:22:51.000 You know, I think he got fired when he tried to do it with like 9-11 victims.

02:22:58.000 Am I right about that, Jamie?

02:23:00.000 I think that's what happened, but I'm going off memory on that one.

02:23:04.000 Oh my god.

02:23:05.000 The audacity.

02:23:07.000 Oh, I know.

02:23:08.000 That's what happened.

02:23:08.000 The network was like, you're doing what?

02:23:10.000 Oh my god, the audacity. 0.81

02:23:14.000 That guy's terrible, man.

02:23:15.000 That sounds about correct.

02:23:17.000 Wow.

02:23:18.000 That was all memory, too.

02:23:19.000 It makes sense, though. 0.99

02:23:20.000 I mean, if you're a thief, you're a thief.

02:23:22.000 I mean, that's all they are. 0.99

02:23:23.000 They're just thieves.

02:23:23.000 They're just doing it in a different way.

02:23:25.000 They're stealing and lying in a different way.

02:23:27.000 It's just instead of breaking into someone's car, they're pretending.

02:23:30.000 They have an earpiece in, and they're pretending they can sense where your childhood trauma comes from.

02:23:36.000 You lost your father when you were 10. Oh my god, I did!

02:23:40.000 Some of these people were caught less than two months after it.

02:23:45.000 Wow!

02:23:45.000 Imagine that!

02:23:46.000 Holy fucking shit! 1.00

02:23:49.000 Imagine that. 1.00

02:23:49.000 He was like, I know what we're going to do. 1.00

02:23:51.000 We're going to capitalize on this.

02:23:52.000 This is going to take our show to the next level. 1.00

02:23:55.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:23:56.000 They caught one of these guys. 1.00

02:23:57.000 I think the guy's name is Peter Popov.

02:23:59.000 He used to have all these infomercials at night where he's like, buy the holy water and it'll save you.

02:24:03.000 Oh.

02:24:04.000 And then they caught him.

02:24:05.000 I think somebody did this thing where it was like a sting operation.

02:24:08.000 He had an earpiece in and he was listening to people and he was like telling them stuff that they thought he couldn't know but he heard it earlier.

02:24:16.000 Is that him? 1.00

02:24:16.000 Look at that fuck. 1.00

02:24:17.000 He looks evil, this fucker. 1.00

02:24:19.000 Yeah, he definitely looks gross. 1.00

02:24:22.000 Whoa. 0.94

02:24:23.000 Wow.

02:24:23.000 He looks demonic.

02:24:24.000 He does, doesn't he?

02:24:26.000 Like a ghost.

02:24:26.000 Oh, you know what I tried watching last night?

02:24:28.000 Free miracle spring water.

02:24:28.000 Oh, they say free.

02:24:29.000 I thought they charged for it.

02:24:30.000 They have before.

02:24:30.000 I tried watching last night that I've never seen before.

02:24:32.000 I was alone in the house and I had to shut it off.

02:24:35.000 The Conjuring.

02:24:36.000 You never saw that?

02:24:37.000 No.

02:24:38.000 You never saw it?

02:24:38.000 No.

02:24:39.000 Dude, just the previews alone. 1.00

02:24:40.000 I was like, fuck this. 1.00

02:24:41.000 Too scary? 0.99

02:24:42.000 I ordered it and I said, before I watch this, let me just watch the preview.

02:24:45.000 And I watched the preview.

02:24:46.000 I'm like, nope, not going to do it.

02:24:47.000 Ugh.

02:24:49.000 It's gotta be bad, then, huh?

02:24:51.000 No, it's good.

02:24:52.000 I heard it's really scary.

02:24:53.000 I mean, bad as in really scary.

02:24:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:24:55.000 But bad in that sense is good, right?

02:24:57.000 Well, not for me. 0.98

02:24:57.000 It scares the fuck out of you. 0.98

02:24:58.000 You don't like those kind of movies.

02:24:59.000 No. 1.00

02:25:00.000 I mean, I'll watch them every now and then, but I'm a little bitch. 1.00

02:25:03.000 I want to be a little bitch. 1.00

02:25:04.000 You know what you should see? 0.99

02:25:05.000 I talked about this the other day on the podcast, but you really should watch this and smoke a little pot before you watch it.

02:25:10.000 This documentary, The Anthropocene, about the human race and the impact the human race has on the earth and what we've done in terms of strip mining.

02:25:20.000 It shows all these different...

02:25:22.000 It's really vivid.

02:25:23.000 It's shot with drones, a lot of it, so you get this overall perspective of the mass of some of these mines and where they're tearing down these old churches to make room for more mines. 0.99

02:25:33.000 It's like, Wild shit. 0.99

02:25:35.000 And I was sitting at home by myself going, whoa. 1.00

02:25:39.000 It just gives this sense of ominous doom.

02:25:42.000 Like human beings left unchecked would just continue to destroy everything in front of them.

02:25:46.000 I want to watch that.

02:25:47.000 It's heavy.

02:25:48.000 That was Netflix or Amazon Prime?

02:25:50.000 I watched it on iTunes.

02:25:51.000 Okay.

02:25:52.000 Gotcha.

02:25:52.000 Yeah.

02:25:52.000 I don't know if it's on Netflix.

02:25:53.000 There was one you mentioned the other night.

02:25:54.000 I don't remember what it was, but it was something that sounded really interesting.

02:25:57.000 Last night when we were hanging out?

02:25:57.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:25:58.000 Might have been that.

02:25:58.000 Was it about- No, it wasn't that.

02:26:00.000 It was something else that you said Amazon Prime it was on.

02:26:02.000 Oh, that's Holy Hell.

02:26:03.000 What's that one about?

02:26:04.000 Holy Hell, that's the cult.

02:26:06.000 Oh, right, that's the thing.

02:26:08.000 I gotta make a list of this stuff because that stuff sounds amazing.

02:26:10.000 That one's sad.

02:26:11.000 Is it?

02:26:12.000 Yeah, that's sad because the people that were in that cult, they're still around.

02:26:15.000 One of the cult headquarters was in Austin for a while and now they're in Hawaii.

02:26:20.000 And they had these people that were in that cult that are now like, you know, one lady was a dog walker.

02:26:25.000 And you can see this looking around like, I've lost my whole life.

02:26:29.000 Her whole life is gone. 0.99

02:26:30.000 She lived her whole life in this bullshit cult, and now here she is, 50 years old, just trying to piece it all together. 1.00

02:26:37.000 The sunk cost fallacy is real. 0.99

02:26:39.000 When people at some point know that what they believe or what they're doing is bullshit, but they just can't get out of it because they're like, I've invested years and years and years into this.

02:26:46.000 How can I get out of it?

02:26:47.000 That's a very real thing that people deal with.

02:26:49.000 You know, I recognized that in martial arts when I was a kid, you know, because the martial art that I was doing that I was really good at was Taekwondo, and it turned out that's not a really good one to learn.

02:26:59.000 Right.

02:26:59.000 When you learned about Jiu-Jitsu is when your mind changed.

02:27:02.000 Yeah.

02:27:02.000 Well, for me, it was boxing and Muay Thai.

02:27:05.000 When I started boxing, I thought I had a way distorted perception of what I could do with my hands.

02:27:13.000 I was like, I know how to punch.

02:27:14.000 But I just...

02:27:15.000 I was getting murdered in a boxing gym.

02:27:17.000 And I was like, oh no, this is terrible.

02:27:20.000 Especially when I couldn't kick guys.

02:27:22.000 Like, kickboxing, I could kind of hold my own because I was a good kicker.

02:27:24.000 But then when leg kicks were introduced and then boxing was introduced, I was like...

02:27:30.000 I wasted a lot of time.

02:27:31.000 Turns out it wasn't necessarily true because once I learned all those other things then the Taekwondo was a huge advantage because I have all this power from kicking and I have this ability to use my legs and like you get leg dexterity from Taekwondo that's really difficult to get from other things because you you're constantly throwing kicks and you're very rarely throwing punches so a lot of people like there's a girl named Michelle Waterson she's a she calls herself the karate hottie it's hilarious but she has that That kind of karate leg dexterity,

02:28:01.000 similar to Taekwondo leg dexterity.

02:28:03.000 Steven Wonderboy Thompson is a top welterweight contender.

02:28:06.000 He's got that kind of leg dexterity, too, where he can do crazy shit with his kicks that most martial artists that just start out just doing MMA don't really develop.

02:28:16.000 But by itself, as a standalone, it's not good because it's just too easy to take people down. 0.62

02:28:22.000 Jiu-jitsu guys, you're helpless against them.

02:28:24.000 They grab ahold of you.

02:28:25.000 You're strangled.

02:28:25.000 That's the top, right?

02:28:27.000 Jiu-jitsu is the top, would you say?

02:28:28.000 Wrestling is number one, I think, because wrestling can dictate whether or not you can take a person down.

02:28:34.000 And some jiu-jitsu guys are not good at wrestling.

02:28:36.000 So they can't take you down, and then you can beat them up if you have wrestling because they'll try to clinch with you.

02:28:41.000 And that was Chuck Liddell's thing.

02:28:43.000 Chuck Liddell was a really good wrestler, but he would use it to stand up.

02:28:47.000 He would use it to make sure that you couldn't take him down.

02:28:50.000 So the ability to take someone down is probably the most important thing.

02:28:54.000 But it's all dependent upon how good people are at each individual skill.

02:28:58.000 But the point being, to just get good at Taekwondo was not good.

02:29:02.000 And it was a real wake-up call for me because they were all brainwashed.

02:29:06.000 All the Taekwondo people were absolutely convinced, all the people that I trained with, that this was the best martial art because that's what they had dedicated their life to. 0.99

02:29:15.000 And I was like, fuck this, I'm out. 0.87

02:29:17.000 Even though I had dedicated my whole life to it, I was only 21, and I was still flexible. 0.99

02:29:22.000 I was like, I gotta get out of here.

02:29:23.000 My life had still some flexibility to it, so I bailed.

02:29:26.000 But I know that feeling when you're completely committed. 0.99

02:29:29.000 But I remember one of the first times I was boxing, where I was sitting there with a bloody nose, just got lit up in a sparring session, and I was sitting there going, fuck! 0.99

02:29:38.000 You were like, I'm not as good as I thought I was. 0.99

02:29:40.000 Not even close.

02:29:42.000 Wow.

02:29:42.000 Not even close.

02:29:43.000 And it took like a couple of years before I became competent at it.

02:29:47.000 And then the idea was also there was a real problem where professionally there's no avenue in professional taekwondo.

02:29:56.000 Right, yeah.

02:29:56.000 And then the avenue in professional kickboxing paid so little.

02:30:00.000 And then I had one of my friends that I was training with that went on to become, he was a New England middleweight champion.

02:30:06.000 Yeah.

02:30:07.000 We're good to go.

02:30:28.000 I'm done with this.

02:30:29.000 That's one of my favorite things to see, though, is somebody who's so dedicated at something.

02:30:33.000 Because there's really just a totally different quality to the form of whatever it is that they're doing.

02:30:40.000 If you've ever seen a pro golfer make a golf swing and the sound quality when they hit the ball.

02:30:44.000 If you've ever seen somebody who's... 0.99

02:30:46.000 I'm sure if I saw you do some form thing for Taekwondo, I'd be like, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.98

02:30:50.000 Everything's so efficient. 0.98

02:30:52.000 There's zero wasted motion.

02:30:54.000 That's one of my favorite things to see, regardless of the sport, regardless of what it is, because you're watching an art form, really.

02:31:00.000 You're watching somebody at the peak of what it is they do.

02:31:03.000 With Dana, it was really his dedication.

02:31:05.000 He was so dedicated.

02:31:07.000 I think at the time I was 21, I think he was 18, somewhere around there.

02:31:12.000 Maybe I was 22 and he was 19, something like that.

02:31:15.000 But it was in that same range where it was like he was all in.

02:31:20.000 That was his whole life.

02:31:21.000 And I remember thinking, man, this is not my whole life.

02:31:23.000 I'm bullshitting myself.

02:31:24.000 Because it was before, when I was younger.

02:31:26.000 And I kind of thought, I'm still that dude.

02:31:30.000 Because I knew...

02:31:31.000 I had it in my head...

02:31:33.000 Victories that I'd already achieved and guys I had knocked out.

02:31:36.000 I thought about it in my head, but then the reality of watching someone who was actually living that life and getting up in the morning and running five miles and then eating really healthy and then going to the gym and doing rounds in the bag and then sparring.

02:31:49.000 And I was like, okay, he's more dedicated than me.

02:31:50.000 I gotta get out.

02:31:51.000 Because I didn't want to be...

02:31:53.000 There's a thing about combat sports that's different than anything else is that if you're not obsessed with You become a victim.

02:32:01.000 Yeah.

02:32:02.000 Unless you're some genetic freak.

02:32:04.000 Like Jon Jones used to party and still beat world class fighters.

02:32:07.000 Which is so rare. 0.98

02:32:07.000 It's so fucking rare. 0.98

02:32:09.000 But he also has a crazy high skill set that he can call upon. 0.97

02:32:14.000 And a lot of genetic advantages like long reach and length and stuff like that. 0.92

02:32:18.000 Bro, that's racist.

02:32:20.000 Long reach in life is racist.

02:32:21.000 No, you said genetic advantages.

02:32:22.000 I'm joking.

02:32:22.000 I'm playing around.

02:32:23.000 Well, I don't think it's racist.

02:32:27.000 I'm joking, Joe.

02:32:28.000 Relax.

02:32:30.000 No, you just caught me off guard.

02:32:31.000 I know.

02:32:32.000 That was left field.

02:32:33.000 I was trying to think of what else I was going to say about him.

02:32:34.000 But my point is...

02:32:37.000 When I left Taekwondo, I remember thinking like, God, I dedicated so much of my life to this nonsense.

02:32:46.000 And then here it is, like, staring me in the face that I've wasted time.

02:32:51.000 And so someone who joins a cult and really believes that some guy is like the re-embodiment of the Buddha...

02:33:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:16.000 People are so fucking malleable. 0.98

02:33:18.000 And you find this out, and the reason why I'm bringing this up in relation to this conversation is you find this out with the way people approach parties, political parties, the way they approach lifestyle choices and ideologies, the way they view the world. 0.98

02:33:33.000 People get so attached to the tribe that's involved in whatever thing it is, whether it's a political thing or a religious thing or...

02:33:42.000 They get sucked into it, and they take this comfort in that there's others that agree on the same parameters and sets of rules that they do.

02:33:51.000 So I love that you made that point, because I have firsthand experience with something about exactly this, and it happened recently.

02:33:57.000 So on my show, when the former head of the CDC came out and told CNN he thinks that COVID-19 likely came from the lab...

02:34:08.000 He comes out and says that I cover it on my show, and I listen to his whole argument, and then I listen to Sanjay Gupta's response, and basically my commentary was something along the lines of, I have no idea what the fuck happened, but this guy makes a compelling case, and I lean slightly in favor of thinking the lab leak theory is probably true.

02:34:23.000 And then you had people in my own audience, now granted I almost never read the responses because I want to maintain my sanity, but it got to me somehow that people in my own audience were disagreeing with me.

02:34:34.000 Not a crazy amount, but enough where it was an issue, it was interesting.

02:34:37.000 And this was over a month ago, when it was just starting.

02:34:41.000 Yes, it was when it was the day...

02:34:43.000 The zeitgeist has clearly shifted now.

02:34:45.000 Yes, it definitely has.

02:34:46.000 Because the former head of the CDC said it.

02:34:49.000 And again, he was a very compelling argument.

02:34:51.000 He basically said, we have a virology lab where they study bat coronaviruses right there.

02:34:58.000 Yeah.

02:34:58.000 And the fact that people almost tried to make me feel like I'm making some sort of huge mistake by saying this.

02:35:04.000 I mean, it's silly, and really what it broke down to was a few things.

02:35:08.000 Not just partisanship and Trump and anti-Trump stuff, but it also came down to there are some people on the left who fear that this is going to be used for a new Cold War against China.

02:35:17.000 And so they feel like you've got to be against this up front to stop the march towards this new Cold War with China, which we shouldn't have.

02:35:24.000 And I mean, listen, my position has been very clear from day one.

02:35:27.000 I lean in favor of thinking that that theory is true, but there's zero political implications to that.

02:35:32.000 I'm 100% against a Cold War with China, and what we're talking about here is an objective empirical question where we're just looking for what's accurate.

02:35:39.000 The political implications, we can debate those after, and I'll always be on the side of, I don't want to escalate with China and I don't want to escalate with Russia.

02:35:46.000 But, like, these are separate questions.

02:35:48.000 We have to be able to tell the truth, even if the truth makes you feel uncomfortable. 1.00

02:35:52.000 People are so fucked because of Trump. 1.00

02:35:55.000 The way the left has formed their arguments and dug their heels in on certain ideologies where they're not even willing to look at things, it's so fucked. 1.00

02:36:06.000 Like, I read something yesterday that hydroxychloroquine actually has some benefit in treating COVID patients. 0.98

02:36:14.000 I was like, what?!

02:36:17.000 What?

02:36:17.000 No.

02:36:18.000 How's that possible?

02:36:19.000 It all became partisan.

02:36:21.000 Like the lab leak.

02:36:22.000 It took five plus months of Trump being out of office for people to go, well, you know, the more we look at it, I mean, I don't know how to say this. 1.00

02:36:30.000 The fucking lab is there, Joe. 0.98

02:36:32.000 The idea that we have to dismiss this theory out of hand because Trump said it. 1.00

02:36:35.000 The fucking lab is there. 1.00

02:36:37.000 What do we have, a cinder block where our brains are supposed to be? 1.00

02:36:39.000 We played the Jon Stewart clip yesterday.

02:36:41.000 Yeah, that was amazing. 0.98

02:36:42.000 I fucking love that guy. 0.91

02:36:43.000 Oh, so good. 0.99

02:36:44.000 I fucking love that guy. 0.94

02:36:45.000 And we were talking earlier about how people are mad at him. 0.99

02:36:47.000 They were saying you shouldn't listen to celebrities because of that.

02:36:50.000 He's telling the truth.

02:36:52.000 And it's funny because it's so accurate.

02:36:56.000 He's making fun of the idea that it's impossible.

02:36:59.000 And by the way, there is zero evidence for the natural spillover.

02:37:04.000 Zero.

02:37:04.000 And Crystal made this point, which I thought was brilliant.

02:37:07.000 She was like, People say, oh, it's racist if you talk about the lab leak theory. 0.93

02:37:10.000 Doesn't it sound a lot more racist if you say some Chinese people are eating bats and they eat so gross and dirty over there in China? 0.94

02:37:16.000 That's actually a slightly more racist theory. 0.98

02:37:19.000 I think both implications are preposterous.

02:37:22.000 And I think the idea that it's racist to try to find the origin of a pandemic that killed millions of people is so...

02:37:30.000 Yes. 1.00

02:37:30.000 Fucking stupid that I won't engage in it. 1.00

02:37:32.000 And calling it a China virus somehow or another is a problem, but calling it the Indian variant is okay? 1.00

02:37:39.000 How come it's okay to say the Indian variant?

02:37:40.000 I didn't notice that.

02:37:41.000 That's a good point.

02:37:41.000 That's a good contradiction.

02:37:42.000 How come it's okay to say the African variant?

02:37:44.000 How come it's okay to say the Brazil variant, but it's not okay to say the China virus?

02:37:48.000 This is nonsense. 0.79

02:37:49.000 This is all nonsense. 1.00

02:37:50.000 It's all people just with itchy, racist fingers. 1.00

02:37:54.000 Bang, racist! 1.00

02:37:55.000 Bang, racist! 0.99

02:37:56.000 They're just itchy, ready to call people racist for anything.

02:37:59.000 And by the way, the funny thing is, I think there was U.S. funding that may have been involved in the research of the bat coronaviruses that could have led to the spread of COVID-19.

02:38:08.000 The NIH funded this other organization run by Peter Daszak, and they funded...

02:38:14.000 This gain-of-function research, and then when Fauci's on TV saying, that is absolutely categorically incorrect, we did not sponsor gain-of-function research.

02:38:28.000 No, you did, though.

02:38:29.000 You did, yeah.

02:38:30.000 You did, yeah.

02:38:32.000 I don't, you know, that guy, I don't understand the cult around him. 0.94

02:38:35.000 I get that the idea was like, oh, he's the science guy, and he's in Trump's administration, but he sort of positioned himself against Trump, but liberals made him this fucking hero. 0.77

02:38:46.000 Well, I can help you out there. 0.85

02:38:47.000 There's video of him early on in the pandemic saying, masks, we don't even really need them.

02:38:53.000 And then he went on to admit later on, oh, when I said that, it was just because I wanted to save the masks for the frontline workers. 0.99

02:38:58.000 So you're admitting you fucking lied! 0.93

02:39:00.000 And then you find out in his emails, personal emails, that masks don't work according to him. 1.00

02:39:07.000 I mean, how many times has he flipped on this shit? 0.99

02:39:09.000 But it's crazy. 0.99

02:39:10.000 It's almost like someone told him, hey, we have to say masks work, but I already said they don't work.

02:39:17.000 And so then he had to go back and say, oh, I was lying because I was saving him from the frontline workers.

02:39:22.000 But in his private emails...

02:39:24.000 He's saying they don't work.

02:39:25.000 Here's the thing.

02:39:26.000 Can you smell farts?

02:39:27.000 You can.

02:39:28.000 What's going on?

02:39:29.000 What's going on there?

02:39:30.000 What's getting in there?

02:39:32.000 What's getting in there?

02:39:33.000 These ones where you could just do this? 1.00

02:39:35.000 Are these assholes that have bandanas on? 1.00

02:39:37.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:39:38.000 That ain't doing shit. 0.99

02:39:40.000 But is it? 0.51

02:39:40.000 Here's the other question. 0.51

02:39:41.000 But is it?

02:39:42.000 Because the flu's way down.

02:39:44.000 Maybe, even though you can smell farts, maybe it's blocking some farts.

02:39:50.000 That's the point, is the egregious splatter.

02:39:53.000 Maybe it's that, or maybe it's just the actual viral load that you take in. 0.99

02:39:57.000 Like, maybe when you're breathing through that stupid thing, it takes enough of it out so that your body's immune system has a better shot of fighting it off. 0.96

02:40:06.000 So maybe there's a bunch of people with masks on that got close to folks, but it wasn't enough. 0.98

02:40:12.000 Whereas, like, no masks...

02:40:16.000 Somebody close talking to you, you're getting the full blast.

02:40:18.000 Well, they also say that there's like next to no evidence that it spreads outside almost at all.

02:40:26.000 And the reason is the dispersion.

02:40:27.000 When you're indoors and you're talking to somebody, it's closed quarters and you can get that splatter on. 0.98

02:40:31.000 Meanwhile, at Disneyland in fucking California, you still have to wear a mask outside or they yell at you. 0.98

02:40:34.000 It's weird how it changes from place to place and it changes from store to store. 0.99

02:40:38.000 It's really California.

02:40:40.000 California is the most egregious. 1.00

02:40:41.000 It's so ridiculous there. 0.99

02:40:43.000 All my friends come here and they're like, no one's wearing masks. 0.66

02:40:45.000 I go, yeah, it's over.

02:40:46.000 It's over here.

02:40:48.000 It's been over here for months.

02:40:50.000 You can go hang out.

02:40:51.000 Yeah.

02:40:52.000 And the other thing is, like, nominally the idea was once people get vaccinated, if they go somewhere and say, I've been vaccinated, it's like, okay, then you're totally fine.

02:41:01.000 But nobody even asked for the card.

02:41:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:41:03.000 It's just whatever the rules are, they are, and it's totally separate from whether or not you got the vaccine.

02:41:06.000 I also don't think there's a database.

02:41:08.000 I don't think there's a real accurate database of who's been vaccinated.

02:41:12.000 It looks like the card was from some dude's truck in a back alley.

02:41:15.000 It might be.

02:41:16.000 Here's your card.

02:41:18.000 I was reading into that.

02:41:19.000 In California, there's rumor.

02:41:21.000 I don't know if it's rumors or what, but they're talking about making some sort of verification.

02:41:26.000 When I read it, they do have a database.

02:41:29.000 Only for California, though.

02:41:30.000 In California.

02:41:31.000 California's doing a vaccine passport essentially without calling it a vaccine passport.

02:41:35.000 That's what it sounded like.

02:41:37.000 How do you do people out of state?

02:41:38.000 Because I was wearing that for New York State too.

02:41:40.000 I don't know.

02:41:40.000 I don't think the states can make laws about interstate travel because I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court says you can't have borders between states effectively.

02:41:49.000 But didn't they have a thing when New York was saying you can't go in there unless you have either a COVID negative test within 24 hours or So a bunch of states have this thing where they say like waiting periods or whatever like you're alluding to now.

02:42:01.000 Yeah.

02:42:01.000 But I don't think that's enforceable because one of the rules...

02:42:04.000 It is in Hawaii.

02:42:05.000 Oh.

02:42:06.000 And that's a state.

02:42:07.000 That's true.

02:42:08.000 But maybe it's just the, you know, this lower 48. I don't know.

02:42:12.000 Maybe.

02:42:12.000 Because it's an island.

02:42:13.000 The thing about Hawaii is it is separate.

02:42:15.000 And the other unfortunate thing about Hawaii is a lot of overweight folks. 1.00

02:42:19.000 You know, and that's the number one comorbidity factor, even more so than old age.

02:42:25.000 Low.

02:42:26.000 Yeah.

02:42:26.000 The only thing that's more than overweight is vitamin D deficiency, which is crazy.

02:42:32.000 Vitamin D deficiency is actually more of a comorbidity than being overweight.

02:42:36.000 Wow.

02:42:37.000 Yeah, it's nuts. 1.00

02:42:38.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.98

02:42:38.000 Vitamin D is a weird one, man. 0.98

02:42:40.000 You got a lot of that from the sun, right?

02:42:42.000 Yeah, that's the best way to get it.

02:42:43.000 The best way to get it is from sunlight.

02:42:45.000 But you got to be out in the sun a lot.

02:42:47.000 Yeah, most people are.

02:42:47.000 And that's the thing about northern climates.

02:42:49.000 I was listening to this doctor give this lecture, and he was saying, there's no such thing as flu season.

02:42:55.000 He's like, really?

02:42:56.000 He goes, there is.

02:42:57.000 But why do you think flu season is always in the winter?

02:42:59.000 Well, it's because it's a vitamin D deficiency season.

02:43:02.000 He's like, no one's outside.

02:43:04.000 He's like, you're not outside.

02:43:05.000 You're covered up with clothes.

02:43:07.000 You're in and out of the outside quickly, especially if you're in northern climates or if you're in the northeast where everything's covered with clouds.

02:43:14.000 He's like, you're not getting any vitamin D. Dude.

02:43:17.000 It's amazing.

02:43:17.000 I have first-hand experience with what you're talking about because I've always said I'm way less happy in the winter and in the fall in New York.

02:43:27.000 Seasonal affective disorder.

02:43:29.000 Sad.

02:43:29.000 But come the spring and the summer.

02:43:31.000 Yeah.

02:43:32.000 Of course. 0.92

02:43:33.000 I fucking love it. 0.96

02:43:33.000 I feel great. 0.96

02:43:34.000 Well, there's a reason why it feels good to be in the sun.

02:43:37.000 Because your body is giving you a reward for soaking up that vitamin D. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is what we want.

02:43:43.000 Because it's a hormone.

02:43:44.000 It's not even a vitamin.

02:43:45.000 That's one of the weird things that Rhonda Patrick explained to me.

02:43:49.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick was saying that it's actually a hormone. 0.75

02:43:51.000 Whoa.

02:43:52.000 Yeah, and that you think of it as a vitamin because you could buy it in a store.

02:43:57.000 But it's responsible for so many different things, not just your immune system.

02:44:02.000 It is greatly beneficial for your immune system, but it's also responsible for brain function and muscle growth and all sorts of other things.

02:44:08.000 But then if you're in it too much, you could get skin cancer though, right?

02:44:11.000 Yes.

02:44:11.000 So isn't there obviously a balancing thing?

02:44:12.000 That's radiation.

02:44:14.000 Or radiation, okay.

02:44:15.000 But it's also melanin.

02:44:16.000 Like, black people are protected because of melanin, but because of that, they have more of an issue with vitamin D. That's one of the reasons why black people and brown people were disproportionately affected by COVID in a lot of places.

02:44:30.000 Because my friend who was a doctor said that when he was doing his practice in New York, that he was testing a lot of black folks, and they were, like, unrecognizable levels of vitamin D. Like, you couldn't measure it.

02:44:41.000 And he was like, this is a giant problem.

02:44:43.000 He goes, because when you have dark melanin in your skin, you can go outside, or when you have dark pigment, rather, you can go outside and you can take in all that sun rays because your body's protected.

02:44:55.000 Because, obviously, their ancestors came from Africa.

02:44:57.000 But if you're one of those people, like, your ancestors came from Scotland, the reason why they're so white is you're basically like... 0.99

02:45:03.000 You're a solar panel for vitamin D because there's no fucking sunlight. 0.66

02:45:07.000 So you got super pale so that what little time your skin was out there, you sucked up as much vitamin D. It's your body craving for vitamin D is what it is, which is really wild that vitamin D is really what dictates the color of human beings' skin. 0.99

02:45:24.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

02:45:25.000 That is wild. 1.00

02:45:26.000 Can you supplement it effectively?

02:45:28.000 So it works when you supplement it?

02:45:30.000 Yes, it does.

02:45:30.000 Because some things you take in and it doesn't even absorb the right way.

02:45:33.000 You can definitely supplement effectively with vitamin D and it has a big impact.

02:45:37.000 There's studies that show a big impact on the immune system.

02:45:39.000 But it's best when you get it from the sunlight.

02:45:42.000 Gotcha.

02:45:42.000 But really what you should do is both.

02:45:44.000 Just to make sure that your bases are covered, you should supplement with a certain amount of it.

02:45:47.000 Some people say 5,000 IUs a day, some people say more, but supplement with a decent amount and then get blood work done.

02:45:56.000 Find out where your blood levels are at.

02:45:58.000 Everybody should do that every few months for anything anyway.

02:46:02.000 Just find out if you're healthy.

02:46:03.000 It's not hard to do, but that's one thing of many things.

02:46:08.000 People should be supplementing with a host of different vitamins.

02:46:12.000 It makes a giant impact on your health.

02:46:14.000 It really does. 1.00

02:46:15.000 And for the longest time, asshole doctors, and when I say asshole, I mean they're really mean. 1.00

02:46:21.000 I just mean they don't know what they're talking about. 1.00

02:46:23.000 They say, well, you get whatever you need from a balanced diet. 1.00

02:46:25.000 And you see there with their paunchy gut and their fucking skin hanging off their face. 1.00

02:46:29.000 I'm like, bitch, you don't have a balanced diet. 1.00

02:46:31.000 What are you saying, balanced diet? 1.00

02:46:33.000 You tell me how you're getting vitamin D from a balanced diet, stupid. 1.00

02:46:36.000 Like, they don't have any education in nutrition. 0.99

02:46:39.000 So what they're, you know, if you're a general practitioner, the amount of time you spend in medical school learning nutrition is very small.

02:46:47.000 And it happened decades ago.

02:46:49.000 And the idea that these guys are supposed to be on point today with all of the research, you know, you need to talk to someone who's like a legit, bona fide, right-now nutritionist.

02:47:02.000 Someone who's been studying nutrition.

02:47:04.000 All these different peer-reviewed papers.

02:47:06.000 There's so much going on. 0.99

02:47:07.000 Like, every time Dr. Rhonda comes in here and she reads off shit, you're like, Jesus. 0.99

02:47:11.000 Like, she's doing it all off the top of her head. 0.99

02:47:13.000 And she's rattling off these statistics and information.

02:47:15.000 All these different studies.

02:47:16.000 And now we know about this.

02:47:17.000 Now we know about that.

02:47:18.000 And so you should mix this with your diet.

02:47:20.000 And this has had a profound impact on cognitive decline.

02:47:24.000 I'm amazed at how much the weather affects my mood.

02:47:27.000 I'm always amazed by it.

02:47:29.000 Look how white you are, bro. 0.98

02:47:31.000 You're pretty white. 0.90

02:47:32.000 Yeah.

02:47:34.000 Take that vitamin D. But what I was going to say is when I did supplement it, it didn't seem to work last winter.

02:47:41.000 So I need to give it another shot.

02:47:43.000 Well, how much were you supplementing?

02:47:44.000 I don't remember the amount.

02:47:46.000 Well, you should supplement with that, but you should supplement with a lot of other things.

02:47:49.000 There's some evidence that vitamin K accentuates vitamin D in its efficacy somehow or another.

02:47:55.000 I'm not sure how.

02:47:57.000 I think the evidence is...

02:47:59.000 That's an interesting one.

02:48:01.000 I'm not sure if that's been proven, but a lot of people believe it's the case.

02:48:04.000 And I think I learned that from Dr. Rhonda, too.

02:48:07.000 But fish oil, really good.

02:48:10.000 Changing your diet.

02:48:11.000 Changing your diet to eliminate most inflammatory foods.

02:48:15.000 Drinking a shitload of water.

02:48:16.000 Don't tell me I've got to give up Taco Bell. 1.00

02:48:18.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

02:48:19.000 Are you a Taco Bell guy? 1.00

02:48:20.000 I'm a fucking fast food guy. 1.00

02:48:22.000 Give me whatever you got, bro. 1.00

02:48:23.000 That's a problem.

02:48:24.000 That stuff's a problem.

02:48:25.000 I think it's a solution.

02:48:27.000 What's your number one go-to? 1.00

02:48:29.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:48:30.000 It really depends on the mood, but yeah, gordita crunch from Taco Bell is phenomenal. 1.00

02:48:34.000 You're really eating that?

02:48:35.000 But you're so smart.

02:48:36.000 Why are you eating that filler and all that? 1.00

02:48:38.000 Because it's tasty as fuck. 0.99

02:48:40.000 You know the meat in Taco Bell doesn't... 0.99

02:48:42.000 What is going on with the beef in Taco Bell?

02:48:45.000 There was like an analysis of what's in there?

02:48:47.000 I don't think it's Taco Bell is the problem.

02:48:49.000 I think there's other places, but I think Taco Bell is beef.

02:48:52.000 Listen, it's all beef.

02:48:53.000 I don't know about the quality, but it's beef, yeah.

02:48:56.000 Do you prefer Taco Bell over a legit Mexican restaurant?

02:48:59.000 If so, I'm going to shut your mic off.

02:49:00.000 Well, no, but there's only one reason why I'm saying no.

02:49:02.000 Because I had a place recently that was this legit Mexican restaurant.

02:49:06.000 It is the best Mexican food I've ever had, by far and away.

02:49:08.000 Where'd you go?

02:49:09.000 What's the name?

02:49:10.000 It's in D.C. I don't remember the name of the place.

02:49:12.000 But it was fucking funny. 0.82

02:49:15.000 Bro, there's a place near my old studio in Woodland Hills called The Big Burrito. 0.95

02:49:18.000 I could say it now that I'm not there anymore.

02:49:20.000 Because I didn't want to tell people because I didn't want it to blow up.

02:49:24.000 Because it was so good and it was so legit.

02:49:27.000 You go there and they got Mexican soap operas playing.

02:49:30.000 Nobody speaks English.

02:49:31.000 And the food is off the hook.

02:49:34.000 Jamie, you ate there, right?

02:49:36.000 How good?

02:49:37.000 Really good.

02:49:38.000 I can't fight against this either.

02:49:41.000 What do you mean? 0.99

02:49:41.000 I grew up in the 90s, and marketing of all this shit is ingrained in my blood. 0.99

02:49:46.000 So you can't escape the grip of Taco Bell? 0.99

02:49:47.000 Every so often, you've got to get it delivered.

02:49:49.000 They could release a study saying Taco Bell is made with camel anus, and I'd be like, that gordita crunch is banging. 0.98

02:49:58.000 If you shoot a camel, you should eat the whole thing, including the anus. 0.97

02:50:01.000 That's what I think. 0.99

02:50:01.000 I'm a nose-to-tail kind of guy. 0.99

02:50:03.000 I ate liver for breakfast this morning.

02:50:05.000 Did you really?

02:50:06.000 Elk liver.

02:50:07.000 Yeah, I eat it all the time.

02:50:08.000 How did it taste?

02:50:09.000 Tastes good.

02:50:09.000 I like it.

02:50:10.000 Really?

02:50:10.000 I like it.

02:50:11.000 It's really good for you.

02:50:12.000 That's wild.

02:50:12.000 Yeah.

02:50:15.000 Look, I don't know if the way I eat is the right way to eat, but it's the right way to eat for me.

02:50:20.000 Yeah, man.

02:50:20.000 Whatever you want to do.

02:50:21.000 I'm not a Taco Bell guy.

02:50:22.000 I'm out there eating elk liver.

02:50:25.000 Yeah.

02:50:25.000 I'll continue eating...

02:50:27.000 And bacon.

02:50:27.000 With nacho cheese.

02:50:28.000 I had elk liver and bacon.

02:50:29.000 I had bacon this morning.

02:50:31.000 Yeah.

02:50:31.000 There you go.

02:50:33.000 Do you like Five Guys Burgers? 1.00

02:50:36.000 Oh, fuck yeah, I like Five Guys Burgers. 0.99

02:50:38.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:50:38.000 Now we're friends again. 0.99

02:50:40.000 See, my hierarchy is Five Guys No.

02:50:42.000 1. Me too.

02:50:43.000 Thank you.

02:50:44.000 Give me some knuckles on that. 1.00

02:50:45.000 All these fucking haters, all you In-N-Out losers, and In-N-Out's pretty good. 1.00

02:50:50.000 That's my No. 1.00

02:50:50.000 2. I was just going to say, it's Five Guys, In-N-Out, and then Whataburger. 1.00

02:50:53.000 Whataburger is not on my list.

02:50:54.000 Well, you know what the problem is, Joe? 0.99

02:50:55.000 I had it with the fucking mustard, and I'm like, who fucking puts a mustard on a burger? 0.99

02:50:59.000 It's pretty good. 1.00

02:51:00.000 Nah.

02:51:01.000 All of them.

02:51:02.000 Yeah, get rid of the mustard, and then it's better.

02:51:04.000 Yeah, you have to.

02:51:04.000 I mean, every burger I eat has mustard on it.

02:51:06.000 Oh! 0.60

02:51:09.000 No, see, now I'll hit you with a New York thing.

02:51:11.000 I'm curious if you'll like this.

02:51:13.000 Ketchup on a bacon, egg, and cheese.

02:51:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:15.000 I like that.

02:51:17.000 Some people make fun of me for that. 0.98

02:51:18.000 I'm like, are you fucking kidding? 0.97

02:51:19.000 Everybody in New York has it. 0.98

02:51:20.000 You know what's better, though?

02:51:21.000 What's that?

02:51:21.000 Mayonnaise and hot sauce.

02:51:24.000 I like mayo.

02:51:25.000 I'm not the biggest hot sauce guy.

02:51:26.000 Should I give it a shot on what?

02:51:28.000 Baking a cheese?

02:51:29.000 Yeah, but you're a guy who's not into spicy, though.

02:51:31.000 Not much.

02:51:31.000 I can take a little bit, not much.

02:51:33.000 I lather the mayonnaise on, and I fucked that thing up with some habanero sauce. 0.96

02:51:38.000 Woo! 0.99

02:51:39.000 And then when you're eating it, it just squirts in your mouth with all the yolk and then the habanero sauce and the mayonnaise. 1.00

02:51:46.000 You earned the right for me to try some weird shit that you enjoy because I like your fucking CBD drink. 0.99

02:51:53.000 Pretty good, right? 1.00

02:51:54.000 And I never would have thought I would have liked it.

02:51:56.000 I know.

02:51:56.000 It's not bad, right?

02:51:57.000 It's like pineapple and jalapeno. 0.99

02:51:58.000 I was like, the fuck is this? 0.99

02:52:00.000 I took one sip. 1.00

02:52:00.000 I'm like, hmm. 1.00

02:52:01.000 It was a ridiculous idea.

02:52:02.000 Because when John and I, John from Kill Cliff, were talking about trying to design a flavor, I was like, tell me if this is possible.

02:52:11.000 Because he was like, we need to come up with a signature drink for you.

02:52:14.000 I go, okay, okay.

02:52:15.000 Can you do a spicy drink?

02:52:17.000 Because there used to be a drink that I would buy.

02:52:21.000 And I know we found this once upon a time, Jamie.

02:52:24.000 I forget the name of this company, but I would get it at this local liquor store.

02:52:28.000 I bought a bottle of it once and I became obsessed with it.

02:52:31.000 And I would drink it like crazy when I would write. 0.62

02:52:35.000 It had like skulls and shit on the bottle, and it had like spice in it, like Capiscum, is that how you say it? 0.95

02:52:42.000 No idea. 0.95

02:52:44.000 It had spice, and some of them were blue, like the drink was blue, but it was really good, but it was spicy.

02:52:52.000 And I was like, this is the craziest soda I've ever drank in my life.

02:52:54.000 And I remember the memory of that.

02:52:56.000 I was like, I wonder if they could do like a jalapeno pineapple.

02:53:00.000 Like a little bit of spicy, but a little bit of sweet. 0.98

02:53:03.000 So fucking good. 0.98

02:53:04.000 Everybody needs to understand. 0.99

02:53:05.000 I know that sounds questionable as fuck, but when you take a sip, you're like, you nailed it. 0.98

02:53:10.000 It's pretty good. 0.99

02:53:10.000 No, it's great. 0.99

02:53:11.000 And as a cocktail mixer, oh, a little bit of tequila.

02:53:15.000 Come on, son.

02:53:16.000 That sounds great.

02:53:17.000 Have you ever had jalapenos with meat?

02:53:19.000 No.

02:53:20.000 That's what you need to try.

02:53:21.000 Jalapenos and elk.

02:53:23.000 If I have you guys over for dinner someday, I'll cook up some elk.

02:53:26.000 I'd love to try that.

02:53:27.000 Sliced jalapenos.

02:53:28.000 Jalapenos and elk?

02:53:28.000 Why not?

02:53:29.000 I'll give that a shot.

02:53:30.000 But you don't like the heat, though.

02:53:32.000 Jalapenos bring the heat.

02:53:33.000 Are they that bad?

02:53:36.000 Some of them are rough.

02:53:37.000 Some of them, your whole mouth's on fire.

02:53:39.000 It's a no-go for me.

02:53:40.000 It's got to be moderate.

02:53:42.000 I could take some moderate heat.

02:53:43.000 Jalapenos are probably the most wildly inconsistent pepper.

02:53:47.000 See, I've definitely had some that have not been super hot, and those are okay.

02:53:50.000 But when I get a hot one...

02:53:51.000 It's weird.

02:53:52.000 Like, you know, in that Mexican joint that I was telling you about, they would have, like, pickled jalapenos and onions on the side, and you'd, like, get those on the side.

02:54:00.000 And you'd eat one, you're like, mmm, delicious.

02:54:03.000 I'd eat another one.

02:54:04.000 Ah!

02:54:05.000 Like, immediately.

02:54:06.000 Like, I don't understand it.

02:54:07.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:54:08.000 Yeah, that's crazy. 1.00

02:54:09.000 I'm surprised that doesn't punish your asshole later in the day. 1.00

02:54:11.000 Doesn't. 1.00

02:54:12.000 That's amazing.

02:54:13.000 Because I know a lot of people, that's how it reacts.

02:54:14.000 No.

02:54:15.000 I guess I just eat a lot of hot...

02:54:17.000 I eat spicy food almost every day.

02:54:19.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:54:20.000 I never would have guessed that.

02:54:21.000 Yeah, pretty much every day.

02:54:23.000 Here's what I do.

02:54:23.000 I'll cook up a bunch of meat, and then I have leftovers, and then when I eat the leftovers, I take a plate, I pour a bunch of habanero sauce on the plate, and then I take slices of meat, I dip it in the habanero sauce, and I eat it cold.

02:54:38.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:54:40.000 Wow.

02:54:41.000 So I eat a lot of hot food. 1.00

02:54:42.000 That's a man shit right there. 0.99

02:54:43.000 That's what I describe that as. 1.00

02:54:45.000 Well, my little 11-year-old daughter does it, too.

02:54:47.000 Really?

02:54:47.000 Oh, my God.

02:54:49.000 You got her on Onnit supplements, too.

02:54:51.000 No, not yet. 0.99

02:54:52.000 I don't want to fuck her up. 0.99

02:54:54.000 Hey, dude, we did three hours already. 0.98

02:54:56.000 Awesome.

02:54:57.000 I had a great time, man.

02:54:57.000 Time flies by with you.

02:54:58.000 It does.

02:54:59.000 It's always a pleasure being here.

02:55:00.000 Always a pleasure visiting.

02:55:01.000 It's on YouTube. 0.99

02:55:02.000 Don't let them fuck them over with the algorithm. 1.00

02:55:04.000 Subscribe. 1.00

02:55:05.000 Subscribe, subscribe, subscribe!

02:55:07.000 And everybody check out Crystal Kyle and Friends, too.

02:55:09.000 That's my other new podcast with Crystal Kyle.

02:55:10.000 And how do they get that one?

02:55:11.000 Yeah, so it's free on every audio platform, every podcast platform.

02:55:15.000 But if you want the video, it's $5 a month on our sub stack, and you get it a day early.

02:55:20.000 So that's how that works.

02:55:21.000 And what format does the video come in?

02:55:23.000 It's an unlisted YouTube link, so if you pay $5 a month, you get it.

02:55:28.000 And we've had phenomenal guests.

02:55:30.000 We've had, like I said earlier, the CIA's worst nightmare came on our show, David Talbot.

02:55:34.000 He was awesome.

02:55:35.000 We had Noam Chomsky.

02:55:35.000 We had Cornel West.

02:55:37.000 How was Noam Chomsky?

02:55:38.000 He obviously did it remote, huh?

02:55:39.000 He did a remote, yeah.

02:55:41.000 He's so soft-spoken these days.

02:55:43.000 He's so soft-spoken and he's old as hell, but he's still got it.

02:55:46.000 He's still with it mentally.

02:55:47.000 It's kind of amazing when you talk to him and you realize that this guy's almost 100 years old, a living legend.

02:55:52.000 Wow. 0.94

02:55:53.000 I asked him about his legacy or something, and he was like, I don't give a fuck about my legacy. 1.00

02:55:59.000 That was basically his response was like, I don't think about that shit. 0.99

02:56:02.000 He clearly doesn't too. 1.00

02:56:03.000 He's not bullshitting.

02:56:05.000 And I was like, that's why we all love you.

02:56:06.000 Because we know you're, you know, when you talk, it's something you really believe and you're not thinking of anything, you know, personal or about your ego.

02:56:13.000 Every now and then I'll go on a kick where I'll watch old YouTube videos of Chomsky.

02:56:20.000 Like YouTube videos from the 60s and the 70s.

02:56:23.000 Him and Buckley.

02:56:23.000 Yeah, oh my god, those were amazing.

02:56:25.000 So good. 0.98

02:56:26.000 He made William Buckley look like a dunce. 0.98

02:56:29.000 He said behind the scenes Buckley was pissed. 0.99

02:56:31.000 Buckley was pissed off air.

02:56:33.000 Do you remember, you've seen that thing with Gore Vidal.

02:56:37.000 Yes.

02:56:37.000 What is it called?

02:56:38.000 You showed it for me.

02:56:38.000 You showed it to me.

02:56:39.000 It's a great documentary.

02:56:41.000 I forget what the name of it is.

02:56:41.000 Do you remember the name, Jamie?

02:56:43.000 Oh, no, I was talking about the thing where Gore Vidal was like yelling at somebody.

02:56:46.000 You showed me a video of that.

02:56:48.000 There was like an argument that included Gore Vidal.

02:56:50.000 Oh, Buckley and Gore Vidal.

02:56:51.000 Yes. 1.00

02:56:52.000 Well, Buckley yelled at Gore Vidal because Gore Vidal made him look stupid. 0.99

02:56:55.000 And Buckley, he said, there, Best of Enemies. 0.99

02:56:59.000 Best of Enemies.

02:57:00.000 So this Best of Enemies is about television debates that were going on during like, I guess it was the 60s.

02:57:07.000 Really interesting.

02:57:08.000 Yeah.

02:57:08.000 Great, great stuff.

02:57:09.000 Yeah, that was really cool.

02:57:11.000 I definitely got to watch.

02:57:12.000 If there's a Gore Vidal documentary, I'll definitely check that out, too, because I haven't seen that yet.

02:57:15.000 Well, I've only seen that one.

02:57:16.000 I don't know if there's another one, but Gore Vidal versus Buckley was great, but I think Chomsky versus Buckley was even better, because Chomsky never resorted to attacks or insults or anything.

02:57:31.000 He would just correct you.

02:57:32.000 Yeah, he's a serious intellectual.

02:57:33.000 He's the He's the best.

02:57:35.000 And back then, when he was young and full of piss and vinegar, he was so good at just breaking down what's wrong with these arguments.

02:57:42.000 That's right.

02:57:43.000 I would go on these long, sometimes I would spend like four hours just watching Chomsky videos.

02:57:48.000 You and me both, brother.

02:57:48.000 You and me both.

02:57:50.000 Alright, thank you, my friend.

02:57:51.000 Always good to see you.

02:57:52.000 Pleasure, man.

02:57:53.000 And that's it, everybody.

02:57:54.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 17, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1669 - Kyle Kulinski

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