The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #170 - Michael Ruppert

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00:02:48.000 This... 0.99

00:02:49.000 This is an unusual, very unusual man that's with us today.

00:02:53.000 First of all, thank you very much for doing this, man.

00:02:55.000 I really appreciate it.

00:02:56.000 It's an honor.

00:02:58.000 I bought your book.

00:02:58.000 You gave me a copy of it today, but I already have it because I bought it about five years ago, which is Crossing the Rubicon.

00:03:03.000 That's when it came out, right?

00:03:04.000 When did that come out?

00:03:05.000 It came out in August of 2004. When I first became aware of you was that speech that you gave.

00:03:14.000 I don't know where you were, but it was a speech that you gave where you were talking in front of some judge in some sort of a courtroom somewhere, and you were explaining how you were an L.A. Police Department officer, and you caught the CIA selling drugs, and you were just fucking saying it. 0.63

00:03:32.000 You were just standing in front of this judge.

00:03:34.000 What was that instance?

00:03:35.000 Who was that?

00:03:36.000 That was...

00:03:39.000 You're a fighter, and you know about war and battle and stuff.

00:03:42.000 This was one of those circumstances.

00:03:44.000 One of my favorite axioms about combat, about fighting somebody, was given to me by a Chief Warrant Officer 4 from Army Criminal Intelligence Division.

00:03:55.000 Don't shoot unless you get a headshot.

00:03:58.000 And I had the headshot that day on the director of Central Intelligence.

00:04:02.000 And, you know, it's kind of like something that you can spend your whole life in a fight or combat waiting for everything to line up.

00:04:08.000 But you know when it lines up and it's like that's what happened.

00:04:12.000 So 18 years I'd been trying to...

00:04:16.000 Make somebody pay attention to the fact that CIA had been bringing drugs into the United States.

00:04:21.000 And I had lost a career because I blew a whistle on that.

00:04:25.000 I'd been 18 years and I finally got a chance to nail a guy.

00:04:28.000 That seems so crazy that you're the first guy to come out with that.

00:04:32.000 I mean, I know I've heard stories before, and I know I knew about the Mena, Arkansas situation with, what was that gentleman's name?

00:04:41.000 Clinton?

00:04:41.000 Yeah, Clinton.

00:04:43.000 Terry Reid.

00:04:44.000 And the other dude, the dude that got caught, or that died.

00:04:46.000 Barry Seale.

00:04:47.000 Barry Seale, that's the guy.

00:04:48.000 He's the guy who died with George Bush's phone number in his pocket.

00:04:51.000 You know, I mean, that's a fascinating story.

00:04:54.000 There's a guy who says that he was bringing in drugs for the CIA for...

00:04:59.000 A long time right from South America and they would have a spot where they would drop it off and apparently two kids saw it and these two kids they killed these two kids and then they said it was suicide.

00:05:10.000 That was the train track death.

00:05:11.000 Yeah the train track death.

00:05:12.000 So the parents forced some sort of an autopsy and the autopsy found out that these kids had been murdered and then it just it spirals into this thing unwinding but who would have ever believed Before there was something like that.

00:05:25.000 I mean, that was a really big case.

00:05:27.000 Well, I came out with it publicly after I resigned from LAPD in November of 78. And I resigned because Chief Gates was going to let me get killed and he wouldn't give me backup.

00:05:40.000 And it was a really sick scenario.

00:05:44.000 I had perfect rating reports and all this stuff.

00:05:46.000 So then I resigned and then I went to the LA Times.

00:05:50.000 So my clock on being public started in 79. But here's what's interesting about all that stuff.

00:05:56.000 You go back to...

00:05:57.000 CIA's been dealing drugs ever since before there was a CIA. Long story.

00:06:01.000 It's an economic issue more than it is anything else.

00:06:04.000 Is it just something where they can't pass up?

00:06:05.000 It's just too much money?

00:06:06.000 It's going out there anywhere?

00:06:08.000 Yes.

00:06:08.000 And it helps them do things that they don't have to get approved, right?

00:06:11.000 Well, that's only part of it.

00:06:13.000 You have to remember that Bill Casey, Ronald Reagan CIA director, was a stockbroker.

00:06:19.000 The CIA was created by the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Alan Dulles, who were partners in Sullivan Cromwell.

00:06:27.000 They created, founded the CIA, Alan Dulles.

00:06:30.000 So the CIA and Wall Street have always been one and the same thing.

00:06:33.000 And the deal with drug money, which when I wrote a lot of the stuff that's in Rubicon, Is that you can move it with profits-to-earning ratios off books in a crooked economic paradigm.

00:06:46.000 And with price-to-earnings, if you launder a million dollars worth of drug money onto a corporation, let's say GE, who has a price-to-earnings of 30 to 1, you've just created 30 million dollars in stock value.

00:07:00.000 There's a huge multiplier, and this is all part of the same corrupt economic paradigm, which is destroying us now. 0.96

00:07:08.000 That's the case that I started on then, trying to find out what the fuck is going on around here. 0.98

00:07:13.000 How did you find out, and did other people know and just keep their mouth shut? 0.96

00:07:16.000 Like, how did you know?

00:07:18.000 How was there, like, ultimate proof to you?

00:07:21.000 Well, when I saw it with my eyeballs, it was proof.

00:07:24.000 But see, how I got into it's a completely different deal.

00:07:28.000 I have a special birth.

00:07:30.000 My mother was a senior cryptanalyst for the Army Security Agency in World War II. Her work product went to Secretary of State, Secretary of War, and President Roosevelt.

00:07:38.000 She worked on Japanese codes, the Russian codes.

00:07:41.000 My father was a decorated Air Force hero, a veteran.

00:07:45.000 He was in B-17s, World War II, then he became on all this stuff.

00:07:49.000 Both were connected with CIA. I came from a CIA family.

00:07:54.000 So, I mean, I used to come home from grade school and say, Mom, what's for dinner?

00:07:58.000 And she'd say, I can't tell you.

00:08:03.000 Gotcha.

00:08:04.000 So anyway, so I was marked, and plus I was gifted, you know, I was a good, smart, you know, guy.

00:08:12.000 And so I was being groomed because the CIA has people in police departments all over the country, and they have for years, law or no law, that's what they do.

00:08:21.000 So, I was being recruited into that because I already had a Q clearance, which I had just from living with my parents.

00:08:29.000 And so that kind of marked me as somebody who was like on the inside.

00:08:32.000 But I wasn't really.

00:08:33.000 You know, I wasn't going to go along with drugs when that's when I saw what it was.

00:08:36.000 I wouldn't do it.

00:08:37.000 And everybody else is just going along with it?

00:08:39.000 Or do they just turn a blind eye?

00:08:41.000 There's...

00:08:44.000 How does it, I mean, how does it, how does it go?

00:08:46.000 How does it work?

00:08:47.000 Well, what happens is, and I'm sure you understand this, is that we live in a world that's full of sellouts.

00:08:54.000 We're surrounded by sellouts.

00:08:56.000 We're surrounded by, and this came up really recently with Occupy and my friend Shamar Thomas and all of this stuff that we got together involved with that.

00:09:04.000 It's about honor.

00:09:08.000 Some people just aren't capable of selling out, I guess, and I guess I'm one of those.

00:09:13.000 But most people resign themselves, and not everybody knows this.

00:09:17.000 Like, not every LAPD cop knows this happens.

00:09:20.000 You know, it's compartmentalized.

00:09:24.000 There's a lot of people out there in law enforcement, and I think we've seen this with the Occupy movement and the way veterans and some cops have responded to it.

00:09:32.000 There's a lot of people inside the system who are really honest, and they're just waiting for somebody else to show them how to do it.

00:09:40.000 Wow, what a terrifying situation.

00:09:42.000 So you're the first guy to step up and you step up and step out and say that in front of all these people on television.

00:09:49.000 What happens then?

00:09:50.000 Yeah, I'm not so sure I was the first to step up.

00:09:52.000 Like that? 0.98

00:09:53.000 Well, I was the first to do it and stay alive and the first to do it and find a way to get shit like this done. 0.93

00:10:00.000 Do you think it's almost safer to come out with something like that than it is to be the guy who hasn't said anything and they could silence? 0.90

00:10:08.000 Yeah, I mean, being transparent publicly is your absolute best defense and that's something I've done for 35 years now.

00:10:16.000 But you got to a point at one point where you were worried about your own life, like you left the country for a while, right?

00:10:24.000 Many times.

00:10:25.000 I've never not really been... 0.99

00:10:28.000 Are you like one of those dudes who wakes up and hears something and just fucking packs your bags and gets on a plane? 0.98

00:10:32.000 No. 0.97

00:10:33.000 I mean, how many times did you do it?

00:10:34.000 No, no.

00:10:36.000 You make peace with it.

00:10:37.000 You have to learn how to live with it.

00:10:41.000 One of my training officers at LAPD had been a Marine with the 5th Marines in the Citadel at Way, and he said, you can get used to anything.

00:10:49.000 And that was a real teacher.

00:10:51.000 You can't live on adrenaline forever.

00:10:55.000 So you make peace.

00:10:57.000 But being public is always the best.

00:11:02.000 Safety.

00:11:03.000 Why were you worried about your life?

00:11:04.000 What was it specifically?

00:11:07.000 Well, what I was exposing, now you have to bear in mind that when I was at LAPD and I resigned, I had pulled like the tail of something out of a hole.

00:11:16.000 I didn't know what was attached to the rest of, it's like, I'll just pull on this one worm.

00:11:21.000 And it's the can of worms, so.

00:11:25.000 But clearly what I had, The CIA was directly involved in bringing heroin into this country illegally of using police officers in their pay or control with the clearances to protect those drug shipments and they were laundering the drug money and that it had to have been known at a White House level and that was in 1978. That's incredible and they just thought they could just keep getting away with it.

00:11:55.000 Well, yeah, but Those who win in a rigged game get stupid. 1.00

00:12:00.000 If it's always playing your way and this and that, you get real sloppy. 0.99

00:12:06.000 Wow, that's a brilliant point.

00:12:08.000 I've never heard anybody put it that way, but you're absolutely right.

00:12:11.000 It's just human nature.

00:12:12.000 And what I say now with the collapse of human industrial civilization is that dinosaurs are not capable of being anything other than dinosaurs.

00:12:21.000 Well, it is.

00:12:22.000 Certainly if you look at what we're doing, while we're struggling at home so badly, we insist on engaging in all these things overseas that pay strange dividends.

00:12:33.000 There's nothing tangible about it, but tangibly in this country right now, people are having a really fucking hard time, but yet all of this money and all these resources are going overseas.

00:12:43.000 To fight wars that almost no one agrees with.

00:12:46.000 And when you look at it, that is just sloppiness.

00:12:48.000 That just seems sloppy.

00:12:50.000 It's so preposterous.

00:12:52.000 It's so without merit. 1.00

00:12:53.000 If there wasn't some sort of a 9-11 attack and you proposed this sort of a ridiculous war, everybody would be like, get the fuck out of here. 0.57

00:13:00.000 But because of the initial 9-11 attack, because there was something so big, They capitalized on it, and now they've ridden the bad intentions right into the ground. 0.92

00:13:09.000 When you were on Leno recently with Ron Paul, I saw it.

00:13:12.000 It was a great segment.

00:13:13.000 I mean, like, ugh.

00:13:15.000 But what I caught, and I've met Ron Paul.

00:13:19.000 I know him.

00:13:20.000 We're not good friends.

00:13:20.000 He's been in a film I made, but I've tracked him for a long time.

00:13:24.000 When Ron Paul said, Now the White House is trying to tell us that Iran had something to do with 9-11.

00:13:31.000 Well, that's what they...

00:13:31.000 And the audience went berserk.

00:13:33.000 Yeah.

00:13:34.000 The collective consciousness in this...

00:13:36.000 They're waking up.

00:13:39.000 Everybody here is, like, filled right up to here.

00:13:42.000 Right up to here.

00:13:44.000 Right now.

00:13:44.000 And they're just ready.

00:13:46.000 And really, that's why I think Ron Paul's such a threat right now.

00:13:49.000 Because if Ron Paul wins in Iowa...

00:13:51.000 Knock wood. 0.99

00:13:53.000 It's a whole new political ballgame in this country because all of a sudden it's going to be the norm, a substantial norm for people to see somebody like Ron Paul not believing all that bullshit. 0.99

00:14:05.000 Then it's safe for them. 0.98

00:14:07.000 How rigged do you think voting is?

00:14:10.000 Do you think it's rigged at all?

00:14:12.000 Do you think it's 100% legitimate?

00:14:13.000 You think it's rigged still?

00:14:15.000 Listen, after 2000, and I've been an investigative journalist for a long time, and I've done a lot of writing about this.

00:14:22.000 Election 2000 was stolen, Election 2004, ChoicePoint debolded all the software.

00:14:27.000 I watched that documentary on Hacking Democracy.

00:14:30.000 It was unbelievable.

00:14:32.000 So fascinating.

00:14:33.000 But they can rig within certain, because there are people who see the polling places, there are people, and people know, you know, we had 80 people come in who were on poll, so they can't just say if 80% of the people vote green, the 80% voted red, because nobody would believe it, right?

00:14:49.000 All right, so.

00:14:51.000 I think that Ron Paul is, so far, way much further ahead than he's being shown in the polls.

00:14:57.000 I really think that there is...

00:14:59.000 Let's say Ron Paul is in the 40s and 50s in Iowa, which they wouldn't dare let be known.

00:15:07.000 And the point is, if he wins or wins with a landslide, it's now Democrats and Republicans no more.

00:15:14.000 It's Ron Paul and the Democrats and the Republicans, and we've got a whole new paradigm.

00:15:18.000 Wow.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, so he has to win by such a substantial margin that they can't fake it.

00:15:25.000 It has to almost be unanimous.

00:15:27.000 The frightening thing to a lot of people about it is the sheer change that a Ron Paul would bring about.

00:15:36.000 A real change like that is absolutely terrifying to people. 0.95

00:15:40.000 Even though they know that the situation right now is completely fucked up, completely unfair, the Congress is bought, everything's stolen. 0.98

00:15:47.000 It's a total wreck. 0.98

00:15:49.000 They would still, they're terrified of change.

00:15:51.000 They're terrified.

00:15:53.000 Not so much anymore.

00:15:54.000 You got to get beaten into a state of reasonableness.

00:15:56.000 You think it's at the tipping point?

00:15:58.000 We're at the collapse of human industrial civilization since 2008. You know, the world has turned inside out several times.

00:16:04.000 It's getting nothing but worse.

00:16:06.000 And people are, you know, one of the best lines I heard out of the Occupy movement was somebody was asking the protesters moving along in New York.

00:16:15.000 And I said, what are you protesting?

00:16:16.000 And this really attractive, smart woman says, everything. 1.00

00:16:21.000 Everything.

00:16:23.000 Everything is corrupt. 0.94

00:16:25.000 Everything is a lie. 0.98

00:16:27.000 Everything is bogus.

00:16:28.000 And, you know, there's a lot of us that can see that.

00:16:31.000 Is it gotten worse or have people just gotten more aware?

00:16:37.000 Both.

00:16:39.000 So it's accelerating as well as people picking up on it.

00:16:42.000 Oh, the rate of change.

00:16:43.000 Now, you've got to remember, I'm this guy that's been at this 35 years.

00:16:46.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.000 How do you look so healthy? 1.00

00:16:48.000 You should be a fucking mess. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Oh, I am. 1.00

00:16:50.000 The amount of stress. 1.00

00:16:52.000 Yeah.

00:16:52.000 But you look fine.

00:16:53.000 I eat really good.

00:16:54.000 Yeah?

00:16:55.000 I'm on two and a half acres in Northern California, outside of Sebastopol, permaculture.

00:17:00.000 You grow your own food?

00:17:01.000 Well, we're growing food, and I eat raw, organic.

00:17:04.000 I go out and pick a raw salad out of my garden and just eat it after you pick the leaf.

00:17:08.000 Oh, wow.

00:17:09.000 And so I eat good.

00:17:12.000 And other than that, I'm maybe good genes.

00:17:14.000 And I spent a lot of time working out and training over the years, you know, too.

00:17:19.000 I had to.

00:17:19.000 I hung with some really cool people along the way.

00:17:22.000 Right now, I have a bad rotator cuff here.

00:17:25.000 The cartilage is gone, so I can't work out too much.

00:17:27.000 Oh, really?

00:17:27.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, that's a drag.

00:17:29.000 Shoulder injuries are very complicated and very difficult to fix.

00:17:33.000 A lot of people have shoulder issues.

00:17:35.000 It becomes a big problem until they have surgery on it.

00:17:38.000 And even then, surgery now, they're pretty good at it, but back in the day, if you had a shoulder issue, it was a big one.

00:17:43.000 It's just such a complicated joint.

00:17:46.000 So that's the way you blew off steam, but I can't imagine being under that kind of pressure. 0.99

00:17:52.000 Knowing that people were upset at me, knowing what you said you know about all these fucking bad people, man. 0.97

00:18:02.000 And you're out there, you know, exposed, constantly doing radio interviews, constantly doing, you know... 0.97

00:18:10.000 I wouldn't have been able to do any of this without my spiritual life and some very deep and profound spiritual practices.

00:18:21.000 I'm a Gaian.

00:18:23.000 I believe that this planet is alive.

00:18:25.000 A Gaian? 0.99

00:18:26.000 A Gaian, yeah. 0.98

00:18:27.000 Is this, what kind of, what is this, is it like a religion?

00:18:31.000 Yeah, Gaian, Mother Earth. 0.77

00:18:33.000 She's alive.

00:18:34.000 You know, isn't it interesting that you take the planets out from the sun.

00:18:38.000 Mercury is a god.

00:18:40.000 Venus is a goddess.

00:18:43.000 Mars is a god.

00:18:44.000 Every other planet is a god or a goddess except for this one.

00:18:46.000 Why?

00:18:47.000 Her name is Gaia.

00:18:48.000 She's alive.

00:18:50.000 So, is this something that's actually written down?

00:18:52.000 Is this an ideology or is this just you have a philosophy behind it?

00:18:56.000 It kind of originated with Dr. James Lovelock and it's new and it's also very old.

00:19:03.000 I've also studied Native American spirituality quite a bit and it's exactly the same thing.

00:19:11.000 Well, it seems to me that we have a pretty limited idea of what life is or what's conscious.

00:19:17.000 We feel like if it can't react and communicate with us, it can't be conscious.

00:19:21.000 But apparently there's been some studies that show that it's very possible that plants recognize people when they're in the room and they feel energy and they can actually React to someone doing something to them.

00:19:32.000 They might have some sort of consciousness that we can't understand.

00:19:36.000 We just only assume that consciousness is human consciousness.

00:19:39.000 There might be rock consciousness.

00:19:41.000 I mean, everything might have a consciousness.

00:19:43.000 It might just be in able to express itself.

00:19:45.000 The idea of this as a giant super organism is so fascinating.

00:19:49.000 It's so amazing because we know that everything, nothing exists on its own.

00:19:54.000 I mean, every single body is a mixture of all sorts of different bacteria and, you know, microbiotic particles and all sorts of different things that are constantly helping you or macrobiotic.

00:20:05.000 You know, like when you're eating yogurt, you know, you're taking in troops.

00:20:08.000 You know, when you're taking acidophilus, you're bringing in, like, healthy animals, living organisms.

00:20:14.000 I mean, it's so fascinating that we absolutely need that in order to stay healthy and be alive.

00:20:20.000 One of the things I just did recently was very cool.

00:20:23.000 I live in West Sonoma County and there's a spa and I had done like three months without a day off for CollapseNet.

00:20:31.000 That's my company and doing the radio show.

00:20:35.000 And so I treated myself and they have this spa where you go and you actually take a bath in a hot living compost pile.

00:20:44.000 and it's specially bred compost but everything is alive and it's warm and you become and it just it sucks stuff out of you that's just you know really cool wow yeah wow that's freaky yeah it's so weird what a different you know like a soup You know, we're not just one ingredient.

00:21:05.000 It's really fascinating and to think of the Earth as being that, just expressing itself in a larger way.

00:21:10.000 There's a great movie that just came out this year called Anima Mundi, M-U-N-D-I, out of Australia.

00:21:16.000 And it's got big names in it.

00:21:18.000 It's got Noam Chomsky in it.

00:21:19.000 It's got, you know, a whole bunch.

00:21:20.000 And it's all about, and there's some tremendous, tremendous awakening things in there.

00:21:28.000 You just look at, and the science is really good to support that too.

00:21:31.000 See, I think the big problem is now is if, let's say you and I are Martians or from another planet, we just came down here to check out what's happening with these creatures down here, right?

00:21:41.000 And first, well, they're insane.

00:21:44.000 They're destroying the place. 0.99

00:21:45.000 Right.

00:21:45.000 You know, and that's all they have to live on.

00:21:48.000 Yeah.

00:21:48.000 What are they doing?

00:21:49.000 They're shitting where they eat. 0.98

00:21:51.000 And I really think that that originates with Genesis 1. I mean, I'm at war with God, or at least the religion, the God of old, the gods that brought us to this point. 0.99

00:22:01.000 And I'm at war with the God that gave man dominion over the planet. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Bullshit. 1.00

00:22:07.000 That's why we're destroying it. 1.00

00:22:08.000 We've been separated from it.

00:22:10.000 We were taught that we, and I don't believe that that's true.

00:22:12.000 And I believe that If there's any one lie that's enabled all this corruption, a lot of it to be hidden under the guise of religion, that's the big one.

00:22:22.000 So you think that if you can get enough people to recognize this earth as a living thing, we could change the way people behave and change the practices?

00:22:31.000 I mean, it doesn't seem to have been that long ago that people didn't destroy the earth at all.

00:22:37.000 I mean, just a few hundred years ago, the oceans were clean, right?

00:22:41.000 I mean, how many hundreds of years ago was there no pollution?

00:22:46.000 Well, no, you would have to go back probably to the 1200s.

00:22:50.000 No, there was pollution in Rome, yeah.

00:22:54.000 Poop.

00:22:55.000 But let's go back 40,000 years ago, okay?

00:22:58.000 And then our ancestors, Urgen, Ag, or whoever, you know, first they were living their religion 24-7. 0.91

00:23:06.000 It was not a textbook.

00:23:07.000 So nobody persuaded them, converted them. 1.00

00:23:10.000 That's just the way they lived.

00:23:12.000 The earth was the Bible. 0.93

00:23:14.000 Okay?

00:23:15.000 Some things are sacred.

00:23:16.000 And, you know, there are things that you don't do, like stick your finger into a light socket.

00:23:21.000 Thou shalt not because, you know, it hurts or you die.

00:23:23.000 And there were rules in nature.

00:23:25.000 Thou shalt not stay out in the cold over X number of hours or after.

00:23:29.000 That was the religion because it was a direct feedback.

00:23:33.000 I've always felt the Native American ideal of using every single bit of the animal that you kill in honor of the animal. 1.00

00:23:40.000 There's something very important about that.

00:23:43.000 It's fair.

00:23:44.000 Tom Brown of Tom Brown Tracker School is a friend of mine.

00:23:47.000 And I went to his tracker school.

00:23:48.000 Max, my assistant, I went to his tracker school in February.

00:23:51.000 And that's what they teach too.

00:23:54.000 But anyway, so our ancestors 40,000 years ago running around, right?

00:23:58.000 They didn't all of a sudden stop one day and going, why am I having this wilderness experience?

00:24:06.000 What mankind's task is now with the collapse of human industrial civilization, which is here, which cannot be stopped, is not so much to learn but to remember stuff that we've known inside of us forever.

00:24:22.000 You've got to clear a lot of garbage out of the way to get there.

00:24:28.000 I'm pretty optimistic about what I see.

00:24:30.000 I mean, I started CollapseNet, my company, CollapseNet.com.

00:24:33.000 There's the plug.

00:24:35.000 And we're in 68 countries.

00:24:37.000 We're getting 40,000 visitors a day.

00:24:39.000 You're optimistic in what way?

00:24:40.000 That the collapse is going to be a good thing?

00:24:42.000 I know.

00:24:42.000 I'm seeing people awakening.

00:24:44.000 I am seeing people, you know, as I said in the movie, collapse.

00:24:49.000 Mankind's choice now is evolve or perish. 0.99

00:24:52.000 Grow the fuck up or die. 0.99

00:24:55.000 Because the laws of nature cannot be overturned. 0.99

00:24:58.000 And that's the fundamental thing that's wrong with this infinite growth paradigm that we live in.

00:25:04.000 Okay?

00:25:05.000 We'll do that separate.

00:25:06.000 So, where was I? All of that done.

00:25:10.000 All of that done.

00:25:11.000 And that world we live in is dying.

00:25:13.000 And there's a new consciousness emerging.

00:25:15.000 Now, my friend Colin Campbell was one of the...

00:25:18.000 He's the godfather of the Peak Oil Movement.

00:25:21.000 Said that the species Homo sapiens might not become extinct, but the subspecies of petroleum man most certainly will.

00:25:28.000 Wow.

00:25:29.000 Okay?

00:25:29.000 So there's post-petroleum human, and there's a new consciousness emerging.

00:25:33.000 And there are tens of millions of us around the world.

00:25:37.000 And truly, I think there may be hundreds of millions or a billion or more of us around the world.

00:25:42.000 We just haven't been allowed to see each other yet.

00:25:44.000 There's something with that matrix that keeps you from seeing all the other people who feel. 0.97

00:25:48.000 That's why with you and Ron Paul on Leno, when the audience started cheering, it was like that was a bitch slap bucket of cold water in the face of Barack Obama and everybody in Washington. 0.82

00:26:01.000 You know, who thought they could actually get away with this stuff again? 0.89

00:26:04.000 Do you think Obama knew what was going to happen before he got into office?

00:26:08.000 Because he seems, it seems to me, he seems so ineffective.

00:26:12.000 It's almost like he had an idea of what it would be like, and then when he got in there, it's just nothing like that.

00:26:20.000 Barack Obama's extremely effective.

00:26:22.000 He's extremely effective for his client base, which is the banks.

00:26:27.000 That is a banking president.

00:26:28.000 And there's no difference between Democrat and Republican.

00:26:32.000 Barack Obama had no intention.

00:26:34.000 He just seemed like one of us when he was running for president.

00:26:37.000 He seemed like one of us.

00:26:39.000 It seemed like he was going to...

00:26:40.000 Because he was, probably.

00:26:41.000 Your microphone's on, I don't know, buddy.

00:26:42.000 No.

00:26:43.000 It's probably because he was.

00:26:44.000 He was?

00:26:45.000 He probably started off thinking...

00:26:46.000 Yeah, that's what I wanted to know.

00:26:48.000 I always wanted to know.

00:26:49.000 He wouldn't have ever gotten close to the nomination unless his loyalty had been secured.

00:26:56.000 Wow, that's so crazy.

00:26:57.000 I've been at this.

00:26:58.000 That's real. 1.00

00:26:59.000 It's such a fucking rigged game. 0.99

00:27:02.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99

00:27:02.000 If it really is that rigged, I mean, it's almost preposterous that it's able to go on as long as it has. 0.99

00:27:10.000 I've done a lot of shit. 0.99

00:27:12.000 I've been around a long time. 0.99

00:27:13.000 I was the press spokesman for Ross Perot in Los Angeles County in 1992, at a time when Ross Perot was ahead of both George Bush and Bill Clinton in the polls.

00:27:23.000 I remember that time.

00:27:25.000 Hi, I'm Ross Perot, short, floppy-haired Texan with a big nose.

00:27:28.000 Remember when he took out that ad?

00:27:30.000 He basically bought a half an hour of television on prime time and explained what's wrong with the tax structure?

00:27:37.000 I forget what it was.

00:27:39.000 And the debt.

00:27:42.000 And he explained it all and spelled it out.

00:27:45.000 And he's the only one that made any sense. 0.99

00:27:47.000 I mean, you seem like a crazy dude, but everybody who wants to be president is crazy. 0.88

00:27:51.000 Well, what I'm saying with that is I've been around presidential politics a long time, and I've studied in a lot of ways. 0.91

00:27:56.000 My Rubicon's in the Harvard Biz Library, okay?

00:27:59.000 So, yeah, it's that rigged.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, it is that rigged.

00:28:05.000 It's terrifying.

00:28:06.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:28:06.000 It's terrifying that this is the freest country the world has ever known, and it's been fucking hoodwinked by giant corporations. 0.97

00:28:14.000 We have been...

00:28:15.000 There was a guy, I had a source, somebody who was in a position to know, when William Casey had his first briefing as DCI, Director of Central Intelligence under Ronald Reagan, would have been in January of 81. He said to those in the room, he said, we will know that we have been successful when everything the American people believe is true is false.

00:28:36.000 Wow. 1.00

00:28:38.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:28:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:39.000 It's just amazing that this has sort of been the way governments have done things since the beginning. 0.99

00:28:46.000 It's like no one has ever been straight with the people and had it all even.

00:28:52.000 Has there ever been a culture ever that has been completely cool as far as their government goes?

00:28:58.000 I just watched an amazing movie last night, The Cove.

00:29:02.000 And even in that movie, it was a movie about dolphins, how much the Japanese government lied to the people about mercury poisoning.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, well, apparently that's what Shane Smith from Vice.com was telling us about the meltdown.

00:29:13.000 It's much more of a health issue than the government is letting on.

00:29:18.000 Well, all of that stuff is cooked, but the reason why...

00:29:23.000 Let's take a quote from Meyer Rothschild.

00:29:27.000 It was Senior Rothschild, the guy who was at the London House.

00:29:32.000 He said, give me control of a nation's currency, its money, and I care not who passes its laws, who governs it, it's irrelevant.

00:29:42.000 The infinite growth. 0.98

00:29:43.000 And look at what we're seeing around us with the economic collapse, the endless fucking corruption. 0.99

00:29:48.000 You know what killed me? 0.95

00:29:50.000 When all was going down, when the bailouts were happening, and Obama actually had the nerve to say that he was going to limit the bonuses that these guys got to half a million dollars.

00:30:00.000 You're like, as if someone actually talked him into thinking that that made any sense to regular people.

00:30:09.000 The regular people are going to go, yeah, you know, he had to get his half a mil.

00:30:14.000 The bank is falling apart.

00:30:17.000 People are bailing out the bank with their tax dollars.

00:30:19.000 And then somehow or another, it's rigged in the way that the CEOs get bonuses?

00:30:25.000 What?

00:30:25.000 What is that bonus based on?

00:30:27.000 Those who win in a rigged game get stupid. 1.00

00:30:30.000 Barack Obama thinks people believe that he actually killed Osama bin fucking Laden. 1.00

00:30:35.000 Nobody believes it. 0.99

00:30:36.000 I don't believe it.

00:30:37.000 No!

00:30:38.000 I'm not convinced.

00:30:39.000 I've talked to too many military people that don't believe it. 1.00

00:30:41.000 I've talked to people that probably shouldn't be talking about it, and they're like, this is fucking horse shit. 1.00

00:30:46.000 We've known that guy's been dead for years. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Am I allowed to smoke?

00:30:49.000 Please, yeah, fire up. 0.99

00:30:50.000 You can take a shit on the floor if you want. 1.00

00:30:52.000 You're Michael Rupert. 1.00

00:30:53.000 Do whatever you gotta do, buddy.

00:30:55.000 I want you to be comfortable.

00:30:57.000 I'm pretty impressed that he's smoking because in the movie Collapse, he smoked probably a carton in the first 10 minutes.

00:31:04.000 Chris Smith, the director, loved that film noir effect.

00:31:06.000 And I can do the sexy thing with a cigarette, obviously.

00:31:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:31:10.000 It's more doom and gloom.

00:31:11.000 If you got it, work it.

00:31:13.000 Well, you know, if the end world's coming, why not get cancer, too? 1.00

00:31:16.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:31:17.000 And you go American Spirits. 1.00

00:31:19.000 Is that actually healthier?

00:31:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:20.000 Much healthier.

00:31:21.000 There's no additives to that at all. 0.98

00:31:23.000 For folks who don't know, if you enjoy your cigarettes, there's 599 different fucking things that are added to cigarettes. 0.96

00:31:30.000 And our government said, we're cool with that. 0.98

00:31:32.000 Oh, yeah, you want to add more?

00:31:33.000 Well, we have cigarettes, and cigarettes are pretty addictive. 0.98

00:31:36.000 But, you know, we came out with some way to really fuck with your neurotransmitters and make it, like, super addictive.

00:31:41.000 Is that okay if we just throw Yeah, and the sea food from the Gulf is safe to eat, too. 0.96

00:31:46.000 Yeah, I saw commercials like, the Gulf's coming back, and they're serving shrimp, and I'm looking at them like they're bombs.

00:31:52.000 They're sliding a shrimp bomb your way. 0.99

00:31:54.000 Like, what the fuck is in that, man? 0.99

00:31:56.000 I hope it's okay, but Jesus Christ, did they fix that oil problem? 0.99

00:32:00.000 Because I heard they didn't.

00:32:01.000 I heard there's a new slick.

00:32:03.000 I heard that people have seen other slicks.

00:32:05.000 I don't think it's completely capped off, right?

00:32:08.000 I had a good friend, Matthew Simmons, a colleague who had been the world's largest energy investment banker.

00:32:15.000 He was a colleague of mine in the peak oil movement for many years.

00:32:17.000 He died, I think.

00:32:20.000 I won't say that yet, but he died under mysterious circumstances to me.

00:32:25.000 But he knew all about the Gulf, and it was a total blowout. 0.73

00:32:29.000 No, the seabed is destroyed.

00:32:32.000 He was telling the truth.

00:32:34.000 There's the shaft from deep water rise and it went down and what's happened is that the whole seabed is now fractured all around it and the oil is seeping up and there's no way to control it.

00:32:48.000 It's so terrifying.

00:32:49.000 You know, I was in New Orleans for the first time recently, and I really, really enjoyed it.

00:32:54.000 Like, what an unusual city.

00:32:56.000 What an amazing city.

00:32:58.000 Really is one of the last few places that has its own true identity.

00:33:03.000 You know, when we were hanging around, it was like, what a great place it is.

00:33:06.000 And that's where I saw CIA bringing drugs into the country.

00:33:09.000 That's where I became an eyeball wit to it.

00:33:12.000 Jesus, in New Orleans.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 New Orleans.

00:33:15.000 That's a mojo in New Orleans.

00:33:16.000 That's a fun place, man.

00:33:18.000 That's a fun place.

00:33:20.000 It's almost like it's another country.

00:33:21.000 You have to have a passport to get there.

00:33:23.000 It's like you're going to another country.

00:33:25.000 Very strange.

00:33:26.000 The fact that those poor people got hit by that, man, after Katrina, then they get hit by that.

00:33:33.000 How is the ocean now?

00:33:34.000 I mean, it's so much ocean.

00:33:36.000 How long does it take?

00:33:37.000 The seabed is the issue, right?

00:33:38.000 Is that what it is?

00:33:39.000 Well, it'll destroy the food chain because, you know...

00:33:42.000 Because if they had just stopped what got into the ocean, the ocean would probably absorb it all because it's so enormous.

00:33:47.000 Well, of course, they were lying about the quantities.

00:33:49.000 I mean, you know, I had known it was over 100,000 barrels a day early on.

00:33:53.000 100,000 barrels?

00:33:55.000 Oh, it was much higher than that one at a couple of points.

00:33:58.000 Jesus Christ.

00:33:58.000 And that's never been really fixed.

00:34:00.000 See, that's the problem with this old paradigm.

00:34:03.000 Fukushima, okay?

00:34:04.000 Japan is mortally wounded with radiation, collapsed at my site. 0.71

00:34:08.000 We have been documenting, you know, tens, hundreds of, thousands of times greater levels of radiation released over broader distances.

00:34:15.000 Cesium, there's been a spike in mortality in the U.S. as a result of Fukushima, a 35% spike in neonatal mortality right after Fukushima.

00:34:27.000 In Japan?

00:34:28.000 Here.

00:34:29.000 Here?

00:34:29.000 Pacific Northwest.

00:34:30.000 San Francisco North.

00:34:33.000 And Japan is mortally wounded with radiation, and the global food supply is now contaminated as a result of the cesium, the plutonium, and, you know.

00:34:43.000 Baby food was just found, detected the other day with radiation.

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:47.000 Really?

00:34:48.000 In Japan or in America?

00:34:49.000 In Japan, but that could have been easily sent to America.

00:34:52.000 Do we buy their baby food?

00:34:53.000 I hope not.

00:34:56.000 So how do they fix that?

00:34:57.000 Is it possible to fix that area? 0.98

00:34:59.000 That area is fucked, right? 0.99

00:35:01.000 It's going to go through the ground. 1.00

00:35:02.000 For the next 30 or 40,000 years.

00:35:04.000 That's the half-life of cesium.

00:35:10.000 It's permanently unusable.

00:35:13.000 And what they're finding is that The birds have eaten radioactive seeds and they're shitting out radioactive poop all over New Zealand now.

00:35:22.000 Oh my god.

00:35:23.000 See, and so that's a mortal wound to the global economy. 1.00

00:35:27.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:35:28.000 You know, that's what we do at Collapse. 0.99

00:35:31.000 CollapseNet, I bring all this stuff all together so we can get a real picture of how bad things really are.

00:35:35.000 So is it safe to say that CollapseNet is the last place you should go if you're thinking about getting some sleep? 0.97

00:35:41.000 If it's like 11 o'clock at night, you're like, let me all get some shit on you. 0.88

00:35:44.000 Well, let's check online, see what's going on. 0.98

00:35:46.000 Let me head over to CollapseNet.

00:35:48.000 And then you'll find yourself sweating and making coffee at 5 a.m.

00:35:51.000 If you go to his website, you immediately see this poor sad guy.

00:35:56.000 Some dude is at the stock market watching his house explode.

00:36:00.000 What we've become...

00:36:02.000 Yachts melting. 0.99

00:36:04.000 We're the place where Occupy around the world goes to find out what the fuck's going on. 0.99

00:36:08.000 We're Clearinghouse.

00:36:09.000 We have really trustworthy, useful information right now.

00:36:12.000 I'm really tight with the Occupy folks.

00:36:14.000 I'm an Occupy.

00:36:16.000 I was in Santa Rosa.

00:36:19.000 Is that the next civilization? 1.00

00:36:22.000 Because, you know, this is one of the things that I'm hearing from people lately, the Occupy folks, is not just the standard, you know, we want these motherfuckers out. 0.99

00:36:30.000 They're saying, we could all live together here. 1.00

00:36:33.000 We could grow our own shit. 1.00

00:36:35.000 We could, you know, we could form a community, just take this somewhere else. 1.00

00:36:38.000 That's what I keep hearing now, that you never used to hear before.

00:36:41.000 It's like everybody wants to open up their own Waco compound, you know?

00:36:45.000 Everybody's ready to do it on their own.

00:36:47.000 And I don't mean that in a bad way.

00:36:48.000 I mean that in what Waco could have been.

00:36:50.000 I don't know.

00:36:50.000 How can you even say that?

00:36:51.000 What Waco could have been.

00:36:52.000 But the idea behind it.

00:36:54.000 To have a community.

00:36:55.000 Did you say that?

00:36:56.000 Well, not Waco.

00:36:57.000 Why does it always go bad, man?

00:36:58.000 How come no cult leader can come along and actually make a badass cult and everybody's cool with each other?

00:37:03.000 You know?

00:37:03.000 All those people at Waco were murdered.

00:37:05.000 Yes.

00:37:06.000 South Delta.

00:37:07.000 Yes.

00:37:07.000 That was horrendous.

00:37:09.000 You know, what was it? 0.99

00:37:09.000 Rules of Engagement is of the documentary that details it and shows you them fucking tanks with flamethrowers shooting into these people's houses. 0.99

00:37:17.000 They crushed people inside their houses, ran over them with tanks, lit that place on fire. 0.96

00:37:22.000 See, that's...

00:37:23.000 That's a fact.

00:37:24.000 I mean, you can't avoid that.

00:37:25.000 We've been watching all these crimes taking place right in front of us.

00:37:29.000 Yeah.

00:37:29.000 All our lives, man.

00:37:31.000 I mean, 2000 election was stolen right in front of our eyes.

00:37:35.000 And we didn't do anything.

00:37:39.000 I carry a lot of rage over the 35 years I've been doing this, too.

00:37:44.000 But one of my biggest angers is, if you'd only listened to me 30 years ago, this might not happen.

00:37:50.000 If you'd listened to Iran-Contra people, if you'd listened to all of the protest movements, 9-11, if you'd have listened to the 2003 invasion of...

00:38:01.000 This country never mustered the will to call the crimes out when they saw them.

00:38:09.000 Because they were there for everybody to see.

00:38:11.000 And now we're all kind of going, well, yeah, of course that happened, and of course that happened.

00:38:15.000 It's amazing how this is all predicted by the Founding Fathers.

00:38:18.000 They knew that everything was going to get slippery and things were going to get weird.

00:38:22.000 The fact that Benjamin Franklin was the one who said, he who chooses security over liberty deserves neither.

00:38:31.000 They did understand.

00:38:32.000 It's amazing that they figured it out back then.

00:38:35.000 If you go back, especially, you know, I'm a big fan of Tom Jefferson, you know, who said you need a revolution every generation.

00:38:41.000 You're damn right you do.

00:38:42.000 Share everything up, start over again, and, you know... 0.99

00:38:46.000 Can't we just Rodney King this motherfucker? 0.99

00:38:47.000 Can't we just all get along? 1.00

00:38:49.000 Why can't we all just get along? 1.00

00:38:50.000 How about these cunts who are running the world just get their shit together without us having to... 1.00

00:38:55.000 But you know, rise up. 1.00

00:38:56.000 Can't you guys evolve?

00:38:57.000 They're going to have to die off, right? 0.99

00:38:58.000 The older ones are going to have to die off. 0.99

00:38:59.000 They're just way too set in their ways.

00:39:01.000 The people that were willing to call Waco and actually have that happen, they didn't understand the impact of the media because it hadn't really become apparent yet.

00:39:09.000 They didn't know. 0.98

00:39:10.000 They thought they were going to get away with business as usual because they come from a long career of doing that, and that's just how they get shit done. 0.99

00:39:16.000 I mean... 0.99

00:39:39.000 Anonymous is out there kicking ass right now, you know? 0.97

00:39:42.000 And so this is kind of a dimension which I think is... 0.99

00:39:47.000 It's a fucking movie is what it is. 0.99

00:39:48.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:39:49.000 It's a movie.

00:39:50.000 I mean, this is a great action film right now. 0.99

00:39:52.000 A lot of crazy shit going down. 0.95

00:39:54.000 I mean, this is V for Vendetta's sequel somehow or another. 0.99

00:39:56.000 On the World News Desk, I analyze like 200 stories a day, 150 stories a day.

00:40:03.000 That's how we bring you the news from all over the world.

00:40:05.000 These are really good stories. 1.00

00:40:07.000 I'm watching some of this shit happening and I'm going, pass the fucking popcorn! 1.00

00:40:11.000 I mean, it's like I can't believe some of the crazy stuff I'm seeing right now. 1.00

00:40:17.000 Where is it all going to end?

00:40:18.000 Is there a real obvious? 1.00

00:40:20.000 You've been really good at predicting a lot of shit, man. 0.99

00:40:23.000 You predicted pretty much every single big economic event that's happened. 0.99

00:40:29.000 You were on that before.

00:40:31.000 You were right with Peter Schiff.

00:40:32.000 You were predicting that stuff way back in the day.

00:40:36.000 What do you see now?

00:40:37.000 When you're looking at it now, where do you see it end?

00:40:39.000 What's your prediction for how it ends?

00:40:41.000 Or rather, comes to a balance again?

00:40:45.000 Where we are right now.

00:40:47.000 Where we are right now is like the mega end to climax at the end of act two, okay?

00:40:57.000 The global economy is imploding right now.

00:40:59.000 Europe is dead.

00:41:01.000 And there's 1.4 quadrillion dollars in derivatives out there that are imploding.

00:41:06.000 Because money, like I said in the movie, that's exactly the point I was on.

00:41:12.000 Whoa, this is spooky.

00:41:14.000 Anyway, money has no power.

00:41:17.000 Money only has power because of energy and resources.

00:41:21.000 Okay?

00:41:22.000 And you can print an infinite amount of money but we live on a finite planet and we're running out of all the stuff that makes that money have any power.

00:41:29.000 The money itself has no power.

00:41:31.000 And that's the big adjustment that civilization is collapsing.

00:41:37.000 There are six billion people living here now only because of cheap energy.

00:41:43.000 And our population has gone straight like that since the discovery of oil.

00:41:47.000 And it always goes like that and then it crashes.

00:41:50.000 And we're on the cusp of the crash right now.

00:41:52.000 So you think we're on a cusp not just of an economic collapse but a biological disaster?

00:41:59.000 Everything.

00:42:01.000 How are you going to get rid of that many people?

00:42:06.000 Gee, you can let all the radiation out of Fukushima.

00:42:10.000 You can let all the oil out of the Gulf.

00:42:13.000 You can let billions of tons of methane that is now being released from the tundra in Arctic Siberia.

00:42:20.000 It's a catastrophic event for a tipping point.

00:42:24.000 We've destroyed the environment as well.

00:42:26.000 That's going to kill a lot of people, but there are 10 calories of hydrocarbon energy in every calorie of food consumed in the industrialized world.

00:42:33.000 The energy is going away.

00:42:34.000 And the topsoil they used to grow food on is nothing but dust.

00:42:39.000 It's a sponge on which they pour chemicals made from oil and natural gas.

00:42:44.000 So people are going to starve to death. 1.00

00:42:46.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:42:48.000 So it should have never got this crazy in the first place. 0.99

00:42:51.000 We got way ahead of ourselves.

00:42:53.000 Technology got far enough ahead that we could support gigantic groups of people and we sort of like bought a car on credit.

00:43:00.000 I'm going to mess with your mind.

00:43:02.000 Please do.

00:43:03.000 I want to stand by.

00:43:05.000 The people that do this, the people that run the infinite growth monetary paradigm system.

00:43:10.000 Which, to identify now, I would say would be the owners of the Federal Reserve, the Bank of International Settlements, and the City of London.

00:43:19.000 Let's start there.

00:43:21.000 They've known that this outcome was coming for a long time.

00:43:25.000 And they're engineering and they are making money from this now. 1.00

00:43:30.000 The sick bastards are deliberately letting things crash. 0.99

00:43:34.000 So they've engineered it, they're profiting from it, and then when it crashes, what happens then? 1.00

00:43:40.000 Does it crash to a point where money is useless and we start all over again?

00:43:44.000 Or it crashes to the point where we have a thermonuclear war that we're on the cusp of right now over an invasion of Iran for bullshit reasons, a regime change in Syria, which will bring in China immediately on Iran's side in a thermonuclear conflict. 0.55

00:44:00.000 We could blow ourselves to smithereens.

00:44:01.000 Why are we doing that?

00:44:02.000 Why are we even thinking about doing that?

00:44:06.000 The parable of the scorpion and the turtle, okay?

00:44:09.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:44:10.000 I hate that one.

00:44:12.000 I use it all the time.

00:44:13.000 Oh, you know it?

00:44:14.000 I know it, sure.

00:44:15.000 Okay, okay.

00:44:15.000 They're scorpions.

00:44:16.000 They cannot.

00:44:17.000 That's all they know how to do.

00:44:19.000 Make money on the way up, make money on the way down.

00:44:22.000 This is pure evil because they know what the outcome of this is.

00:44:25.000 They know that the outcome of their actions would be either through climate change to kill all life on this planet, which is well underway.

00:44:32.000 We're having massive mass extinctions now.

00:44:36.000 Run it economically into the ground, pollute it, blow everything up.

00:44:40.000 They're doing all of that.

00:44:44.000 Yeah.

00:44:45.000 And for those who aren't aware of the parable of the scorpion and the toad, the scorpion asks the toad to give him a ride across the water.

00:44:52.000 And the toad says, I can't do that.

00:44:54.000 You'll sting me and kill me. 0.98

00:44:55.000 He goes, why would I do that? 1.00

00:44:56.000 He goes, if I did that, we would both drown.

00:44:58.000 So he goes, okay.

00:44:59.000 And he gives him a ride.

00:45:00.000 And in the middle of the water, the scorpion stings him.

00:45:04.000 And he starts to die. 1.00

00:45:05.000 And he says, what the fuck? 1.00

00:45:06.000 And the scorpion says, it's in my nature. 1.00

00:45:09.000 I'm a scorpion.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:11.000 Doesn't the scorpion die in that also?

00:45:13.000 Yes.

00:45:14.000 And that's the point of this peril, you know?

00:45:16.000 It's ridiculous, but it is what's going down, right?

00:45:19.000 I mean, no one thinks that this can go on forever. 0.94

00:45:21.000 Do they think that they could just ride the asteroid before impact and die, like, right before everything falls apart?

00:45:28.000 They're, like, 80, 90. They're really not going to make it to 2020 or whenever it is.

00:45:33.000 They're going to go Mad Max.

00:45:34.000 Well, it's supposed to be 2012. According to the Mayans, but they couldn't even predict their own demise, those silly boys. 0.99

00:45:40.000 Those silly people. 0.99

00:45:41.000 There's a lot of prophecies that are lining up coincidentally, and I'm not saying I ascribe to that. 0.99

00:45:47.000 I'm a detective.

00:45:49.000 Well, you know, I think it's really fascinating to think that there could have been alternate paths for intelligence.

00:45:54.000 You know, the path that Western civilization went on with our interpretation of reality and our construction methods and all the different things, the way that we have expressed our intelligence, that it could very well be.

00:46:08.000 And it's been proven to be in Egypt and in the Mayans.

00:46:11.000 And there was an incredibly brilliant society that operated very, very much different than ours.

00:46:18.000 An amazing, different way to think.

00:46:20.000 While one group part of the world was thinking about something else, they were studying constellations and building these amazing stone structures that really are mind-boggling.

00:46:30.000 And then when they find out that there's thousands of them still undiscovered in Mexico and South America, that they're just...

00:46:38.000 The trees grew over them.

00:46:39.000 But there was a...

00:46:41.000 Great culture down there, an amazing culture, completely alien to what exists right now.

00:46:46.000 And they operated on a different operating system.

00:46:49.000 As you were saying that, I was having visions of First Nations, Native Americans.

00:46:56.000 Having really, essentially perfected their religion in that they lived in a very balanced way with their environment.

00:47:05.000 But see, that's a different operating system.

00:47:07.000 It's like a different vibration inside, completely.

00:47:13.000 I don't know if you've ever done any psychedelics or anything like that, but it's kind of what you get, like a DMT trip or something.

00:47:18.000 You know, you see other dimensions and you become so much more aware of other realities and other truths.

00:47:25.000 And really what I think what's happening now as the old, the infinite growth paradigm is dying.

00:47:30.000 It's obviously dying.

00:47:31.000 I mean, anybody who can't see the collapse of human industrial civilization now needs to be Darwinianly deselected.

00:47:37.000 So how do we get through this?

00:47:39.000 Do we get through this without a die-off or there has to be a die-off?

00:47:43.000 I think that the way we get through this, first of all, is to realize that there's no we.

00:47:49.000 In other words, for all seven billion of us.

00:47:53.000 So we've got to cut off the rest of the world and build up a fence.

00:47:56.000 No.

00:47:57.000 Not that either.

00:47:58.000 What you have to do is form your own communities of people who have the same consciousness.

00:48:03.000 And you can do it in a big city.

00:48:06.000 Where I live in West Sonoma County, it's just rife with that.

00:48:09.000 We're like one of the test beds for that. 1.00

00:48:12.000 So there's a lot of hippie pussy. 1.00

00:48:14.000 Is that what you're going to say? 1.00

00:48:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:17.000 It's very important.

00:48:18.000 As a matter of fact, yeah. 1.00

00:48:19.000 If you're going to have some sort of a cult, you've got to have hot hippie pussy. 1.00

00:48:22.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:48:23.000 If you're going to start your own civilization out in the woods, you can't do it with just dudes. 1.00

00:48:28.000 That shit's going to get boring. 0.98

00:48:29.000 Yeah, and there really is a lot to be said for being very in touch with nature and the rhythms of the planet. 1.00

00:48:35.000 Because once you become aware of them, some, they're very sensual.

00:48:38.000 And once you really start to plug into and connect with some of the life that goes on.

00:48:44.000 But most people in the world don't have any clue about that.

00:48:46.000 Yeah, it would be nice if we could all break off into like-minded groups of really nice people.

00:48:52.000 So you would guarantee that your community would just be really fucking cool.

00:48:56.000 No ego issues. 0.98

00:48:57.000 Everybody's had a few mushroom trips.

00:49:00.000 People like to do yoga. 1.00

00:49:01.000 They don't fuck with you. 1.00

00:49:03.000 They don't tell you that your music sucks. 1.00

00:49:06.000 It's so difficult to get that though. 0.99

00:49:08.000 We're so many human beings now.

00:49:10.000 When you fly over cities, do you ever look out in amazement at what a crazy structure like Los Angeles really truly is?

00:49:17.000 Do you see the lights?

00:49:18.000 Like when you flew in here, did you fly in at night?

00:49:19.000 No, we drove.

00:49:21.000 Okay.

00:49:22.000 But I have flown into LA a hundred million times.

00:49:25.000 It's ridiculous, right?

00:49:25.000 And you fly in at night.

00:49:26.000 I very rarely fly in at night, but I did recently.

00:49:29.000 And flying in, you see it, you're like, how is this not science fiction? 0.99

00:49:33.000 How is this not some crazy Blade Runner fucking movie? 0.98

00:49:36.000 Just the way it looks. 0.99

00:49:38.000 You know, flying into this giant grid of artificial light.

00:49:41.000 Motherboard.

00:49:42.000 It's amazing.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, it's such a thing that we take for granted.

00:49:47.000 You remember my friend Larry?

00:49:48.000 Larry had this house in the Hollywood Hills, and you would look out at night, and I never realized, like, why does everybody want to live in the Hollywood Hills? 0.99

00:49:55.000 The fucking pollution's up there, it's shitty. 1.00

00:49:57.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:49:57.000 What a fucking vision that view is. 1.00

00:50:00.000 The view of the Los Angeles skyline at night, it doesn't look good in the day. 0.99

00:50:05.000 In the day, you're just looking down at gray shit and pollution, but at nighttime, you're seeing this crazy electronic Tron grid. 0.96

00:50:14.000 It's really amazing. 0.93

00:50:16.000 We don't see it because we're down in it and a part of it, but what a bizarre thing we've created.

00:50:21.000 Well, you know, part of that is also it's unnatural.

00:50:25.000 In other words, those collections of lights definitely shouldn't be here in Southern California because there's no water here.

00:50:32.000 I also have a theory that it's bad for our consciousness to have these things at night because we're not allowed to see the stars then.

00:50:38.000 We're not able to see the stars.

00:50:40.000 I think that's not good for people.

00:50:42.000 I think a couple stars in the sky, those are too abstract.

00:50:47.000 You know, the moon, like, oh, there's my friend the moon.

00:50:49.000 I'm used to him. 0.98

00:50:51.000 The image of the starry nights in Nebraska when you're driving on the highway and you just pull over the car and you open the door and look up and you go, holy shit! 0.99

00:51:00.000 Get out of the car! 0.98

00:51:01.000 Get out of the car!

00:51:02.000 Look at this! 1.00

00:51:02.000 And you lie on the hood of your fucking car for hours just staring up at the goddamn Milky Way. 1.00

00:51:08.000 But we don't get to see that. 1.00

00:51:10.000 We don't get to see that because we want to keep everything lit up at night.

00:51:12.000 And because of that, you're...

00:51:14.000 You don't get that humility, that realization that you're in front of the infinite, that you're experiencing an impossible vision of incredible beauty.

00:51:24.000 Connected to a part of.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, and we've sacrificed it for streetlights.

00:51:28.000 For streetlights, we've sacrificed the most incredible thing you could ever see, and very few people ever get to see it, and it's right above your head.

00:51:36.000 You don't get to see it.

00:51:37.000 You just don't.

00:51:38.000 You don't get to see it for what it really is.

00:51:39.000 There's an old story...

00:51:41.000 It's amazing. 0.98

00:51:42.000 From John Donne, it was some early Christian monk, a story about a guy who was riding around on an ass all day, a donkey, looking for a donkey. 0.83

00:51:51.000 In other words, it's like, I'm trying to find God, I'm trying to find God, and you're swimming in it, but you're just not aware of it. 0.95

00:51:59.000 And it's that shift in consciousness.

00:52:01.000 Now we've got seven billion people on the planet now.

00:52:03.000 So not everybody's going to get to do this.

00:52:06.000 This is where stuff gets really hairy. 0.99

00:52:09.000 Whenever someone says something like that, we're going to have to kill them. 1.00

00:52:12.000 No, they're going to die. 1.00

00:52:14.000 I don't want to kill anybody. 0.99

00:52:15.000 But death is inevitable.

00:52:18.000 That's a lot.

00:52:19.000 That's a big number, though.

00:52:21.000 Do you believe in the Georgia Guidestones?

00:52:23.000 Do you believe there should only be like 500 million on the whole planet?

00:52:26.000 I believe that there is a balance that can be achieved that's probably much greater than that if mankind were to live with permaculture.

00:52:34.000 I think we need more than 500 million, though, just to fight off the animals.

00:52:39.000 I don't think we're going to get to choose what the number's going to be.

00:52:41.000 I think the way we are right now with animals, it's very rare that an animal attacks you.

00:52:45.000 I think this is the perfect place to be.

00:52:47.000 The animals are pissed off, too. 1.00

00:52:48.000 Yeah, they can suck my dick, all right? 1.00

00:52:49.000 They're all animals. 1.00

00:52:50.000 I'm on team people.

00:52:51.000 If we're just out there...

00:52:52.000 Dominating to the point where we don't have to worry about them eating our children.

00:52:56.000 You know?

00:52:56.000 Right there, I think that's good.

00:52:57.000 Because this is a rare point in history. 0.97

00:52:59.000 People have sort of forgotten that at one point in time, just 50,000 years ago, fucking blink of the eye, everywhere you went, you could have got eaten. 0.97

00:53:06.000 You know? 0.98

00:53:07.000 Everywhere you went.

00:53:08.000 You just animal, wild animals everywhere. 0.99

00:53:10.000 50,000 years ago, there was fucking saber-toothed tigers were still around. 0.98

00:53:13.000 You know, but there was always a balance. 0.98

00:53:15.000 Humans rose to a population of two or three million, stayed there for an estimated five million.

00:53:23.000 But it was stable for well more than a thousand years at like a billion people on the planet.

00:53:29.000 Wow.

00:53:29.000 That's amazing.

00:53:30.000 But even then, we were still overusing resources.

00:53:33.000 We were still chopping down all the forests in Europe because all the colonial expansion was to find more resources to consume.

00:53:40.000 We've reached the end of the planet.

00:53:42.000 There's no more places to go discover to get more stuff.

00:53:45.000 So how do you stop people from breeding?

00:53:47.000 Because kids are awesome.

00:53:49.000 I love having kids.

00:53:50.000 It's one of my favorite things in life.

00:53:52.000 Is that part of the problem?

00:53:54.000 I mean, it can't be.

00:53:55.000 It can't be one or two people that you make.

00:53:58.000 The real problem is a lack of resources, right?

00:54:02.000 The real problem.

00:54:03.000 Isn't it possible that there could be some sort of a scientific discovery?

00:54:07.000 Something that changes the game as far as the way we can harness energy that could possibly pull us in a more positive direction than a complete and total collapse?

00:54:19.000 No.

00:54:19.000 Like some sort of a skid in?

00:54:21.000 No, nothing?

00:54:21.000 It's impossible?

00:54:23.000 Damn. 1.00

00:54:23.000 No. 1.00

00:54:24.000 We're fucked? 1.00

00:54:25.000 Period. 1.00

00:54:25.000 Well, there are now... 1.00

00:54:28.000 You should have a t-shirt and sell it on your website though, by the way. 0.99

00:54:30.000 It says we're fucked. 1.00

00:54:31.000 We're fucked? 1.00

00:54:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:32.000 That would be great.

00:54:33.000 I have to think about what to put on the backside.

00:54:37.000 There are one billion internal combustion-powered vehicles on the planet today.

00:54:42.000 One billion.

00:54:43.000 Oh, my God.

00:54:44.000 They all run on oil, okay?

00:54:46.000 And it took...

00:54:49.000 It took untold tens of thousands of gallons of oil to make the vehicle.

00:54:53.000 You've got to mine the ore.

00:54:54.000 You've got to melt it.

00:54:54.000 You've got to form it.

00:54:55.000 The paints are oil.

00:54:56.000 Plastic is oil.

00:54:58.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:59.000 So it took all the oil to make that.

00:55:00.000 So even if some new technology appeared today, you couldn't plug it into any internal combustion-powered vehicle and make it work.

00:55:06.000 There's seven gallons of oil in every tire.

00:55:08.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 How many gallons of oil are there in electric cars?

00:55:13.000 It depends on how big the car is.

00:55:16.000 Must be a lot though, right?

00:55:19.000 It's impossible to make a car without using oil?

00:55:23.000 Yeah.

00:55:24.000 Impossible.

00:55:25.000 And even an electric car.

00:55:27.000 An electric car, you also have to worry about conflict minerals that are powering your batteries.

00:55:32.000 Electricity is not an energy source.

00:55:34.000 Electricity has to be generated.

00:55:35.000 How do you generate it?

00:55:36.000 By burning oil, by burning coal, by burning natural gas, or a nuclear reactor.

00:55:42.000 Jesus Christ.

00:55:43.000 Okay, so electricity is no answer.

00:55:46.000 It still has to be generated.

00:55:47.000 And most of our electricity in the U.S. is natural gas and coal.

00:55:50.000 We're addicted to electricity.

00:55:51.000 And once we got addicted to electricity, then we multiplied like rats.

00:55:55.000 Electricity is the lifeblood of human industrial civilization.

00:55:57.000 Keeps the refrigerator on.

00:55:58.000 Keeps the TV running.

00:55:59.000 It keeps credit cards circulating.

00:56:01.000 It keeps your cameras running.

00:56:02.000 Keeps your iPhone charged up.

00:56:03.000 No electricity, no economy.

00:56:05.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:56:06.000 Yeah.

00:56:06.000 It's amazing.

00:56:07.000 What a mess.

00:56:08.000 I mean, they had that big blackout down here, down in San Diego, and whoa, whoa, that was a bucket of cold water in the face because that was real panic.

00:56:15.000 That was a multi-state.

00:56:17.000 Those are going to be...

00:56:18.000 It was in the summer, right?

00:56:19.000 Yeah.

00:56:19.000 Those are going to be coming, and eventually they're going to be permanent.

00:56:23.000 The power won't be coming back on again.

00:56:25.000 Isn't there a way to keep the power on?

00:56:29.000 Dude, come on.

00:56:30.000 I like refrigerated food.

00:56:32.000 I like TV. There's got to be a way out of this.

00:56:35.000 Okay, now.

00:56:36.000 Help us.

00:56:37.000 Help those that want to be helped.

00:56:39.000 Do we all have to live in the woods?

00:56:41.000 No.

00:56:43.000 Stay out of the woods.

00:56:46.000 In the movie, I told a story about campers being attacked by a bear.

00:56:51.000 If you're in a camp and a big bear attacks the camp, you do not have to be faster than the bear.

00:56:58.000 You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.

00:57:02.000 Period.

00:57:02.000 That's the lesson for everybody here who becomes aware of collapse.

00:57:06.000 The slow campers, the zombies, as we call them, are going to be out there zombies until the last minute, you know, when nothing is working anymore and people are starving to death and they're going to go and say, well, gee, I don't understand.

00:57:16.000 This is going to come back any second.

00:57:18.000 The faster campers, the ones worthy of Darwinian selection, there are tens of millions of us around the world already moving.

00:57:28.000 Local food production, First and foremost, start growing food wherever you are right now.

00:57:34.000 And then building communities and disengaging from that paradigm.

00:57:38.000 So those are the people who are going to make it.

00:57:43.000 And some areas and some regions won't.

00:57:45.000 But see, I get to see this all over the world.

00:57:47.000 As a result of collapse, I got people everywhere.

00:57:49.000 Do you have to be somewhere where you're not going to need a car?

00:57:53.000 Because this is not an issue, and eventually we're going to run out of oil.

00:57:56.000 Right?

00:57:57.000 Is that close?

00:57:58.000 Yeah.

00:57:59.000 Well, no, there'll always be oil in the ground.

00:58:01.000 I mean, gasoline, no.

00:58:02.000 I mean, like, when do you think it'll be an issue where you won't be able to get gas?

00:58:06.000 Is that something you foresee?

00:58:07.000 It's an issue in this country right now.

00:58:09.000 We've had massive fuel shortages, diesel shortages that have paralyzed us.

00:58:12.000 Diesel?

00:58:13.000 The upper Midwest, Canada.

00:58:15.000 Really?

00:58:16.000 Yeah, and it's happening all over the world right now.

00:58:18.000 You don't see it.

00:58:19.000 We bring you the stories on CollapseNet.

00:58:21.000 Johannesburg, South Africa, gas station shut down.

00:58:24.000 India, Pakistan falling apart because they can't get the oil.

00:58:28.000 So that's a problem that's going to get worse and worse and worse.

00:58:30.000 It won't be like turning a switch.

00:58:31.000 You have oil one day and gas one day and no gas the next day.

00:58:35.000 It becomes harder to get, etc., etc.

00:58:37.000 Why is gas cheaper, though, right now than it was, like, say, three years ago, though?

00:58:41.000 That's a result also of the fact that the economy is much slower.

00:58:46.000 It's 96% correlation between greenhouse gas emission and GDP growth.

00:58:51.000 You don't grow the economy without burning oil and natural gas.

00:58:57.000 So, there's less demand now. 0.99

00:58:59.000 When Bush was leaving office, though, how did they get away with jacking the gas through the fucking roof? 0.97

00:59:04.000 Because it was almost like... 0.99

00:59:05.000 I almost heard the Rolling Stones playing, like, playing in the background while they were doing it.

00:59:11.000 Because it seemed like they were going out in a blaze of glory in a Francis Ford Coppola movie.

00:59:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:18.000 I mean... 0.99

00:59:19.000 At the end of it, it was like they jacked it up to like five dollars a gallon, and everybody was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:59:24.000 People couldn't drive themselves to work. 0.96

00:59:26.000 It got to be a real panic.

00:59:28.000 That was a direct product.

00:59:29.000 I mean, it wasn't George Bush, Dick Cheney, or Hank Paulson or somebody like that flipping a switch saying, okay, we're going to put gas at five bucks.

00:59:36.000 No.

00:59:37.000 It was a superheated economy.

00:59:39.000 We were growing then.

00:59:40.000 At the end of 2007, we were...

00:59:44.000 And so the faster you grow, the more energy you consume, again.

00:59:48.000 But you reach a point as a result of peak oil where you need more cheap oil than you can find.

00:59:54.000 You've eaten all the low-hanging fruit.

00:59:55.000 You found all the cheap oil.

00:59:57.000 It's not inexhaustible.

00:59:58.000 Deepwater Horizon is a result of us being desperate to go out and get oil.

01:00:01.000 It's more and more expensive to get.

01:00:03.000 So the economy got so hot that the oil prices spiked because that was what demand was doing at the time.

01:00:10.000 There was some minor stuff, but it's fundamentally peak oil.

01:00:13.000 And 147 a barrel oil is what shut us down in 2008. And we're just about to hit another place right now with oil at 100, 105. That's going to shut everything down because people are so much more broke than they were in 2008. And we're looking at a possible attack on Iran. 0.57

01:00:31.000 We're looking at Saudi Arabia possibly collapsing.

01:00:33.000 Iraq's now in civil war just a week after we pulled our troops out.

01:00:37.000 Yeah, isn't that insane?

01:00:38.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Oh, the U.S. is getting bitch slapped around the world right now. 0.99

01:00:42.000 The Iraq thing is insane. 1.00

01:00:44.000 I mean, they took a day.

01:00:46.000 They fell apart, like, immediately.

01:00:48.000 Like, from the get-go.

01:00:50.000 Actually, on the same day that the last US troops left Iraq, Nouriel Maliki had a delegation fly to Syria, to Damascus, to meet with President al-Assad because the US is trying to overthrow Assad because he's an ally of Iran.

01:01:06.000 And al-Maliki, who was a Shiite, was starting to side with Syria. 0.97

01:01:12.000 So the U.S. and Israel have been very intent on attacking Iran, which is a stupid suicidal move. 0.99

01:01:19.000 I mean, it'll kill all of us because the world can't do without oil. 0.99

01:01:22.000 And that'll shut down the Gulf and China will beg. 1.00

01:01:24.000 It's ugly.

01:01:26.000 What's the motivation for this?

01:01:28.000 What's the motivation to invade Iran?

01:01:30.000 Oil.

01:01:31.000 To control the oil.

01:01:33.000 And because Iran is truly a regional power that can threaten U.S. Western control of the region.

01:01:41.000 But what's happening now as the Western economies fail, right?

01:01:44.000 Europe is toast and our economy is in the shitter and getting much worse all the time.

01:01:50.000 China has been growing faster, but China is now starting to fall apart.

01:01:55.000 But China is more of an economic powerhouse than we are now.

01:01:59.000 So the people that have the oil will go to those who can pay more for it.

01:02:05.000 China.

01:02:05.000 See, when I look at us invading Iran...

01:02:10.000 What freaks me out is that that seems like that's a real country.

01:02:13.000 Not that Iraq isn't a real country, but it was run by a dictator. 1.00

01:02:16.000 It was run by a guy who was inarguably completely fucked up. 0.99

01:02:19.000 We put him in power. 1.00

01:02:20.000 He was an evil man. 1.00

01:02:21.000 He had evil children. 1.00

01:02:22.000 It was a fucking mess. 1.00

01:02:24.000 And then, okay, we're in Afghanistan. 1.00

01:02:26.000 Well, it's sort of a crazy situation in Afghanistan, but there's a bunch of warlords running the country, and there's really only one city.

01:02:32.000 It's Kabul, and it's a really unusual place.

01:02:35.000 It's almost like there is no government anywhere.

01:02:39.000 And 80 or 90% of the world's opium.

01:02:41.000 Yeah.

01:02:42.000 And then, all of a sudden, you talk about Iran, you're like, okay, Iran is a real country.

01:02:46.000 Okay, now you're dealing with a superpower.

01:02:49.000 You hit it right on the head.

01:02:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:02:50.000 This is like, we've stepped out of the, okay, we're just going after, you know, banana republic, fucked up countries that are run by crazy dudes, and, you know, who have no power, who are obviously humiliated by us just a decade earlier. 0.99

01:03:05.000 You want to know the biggest difference between Iran and Iraq? 0.97

01:03:07.000 Iran has had those same borders since the time of Xerxes.

01:03:12.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:13.000 A thousand years BC, okay?

01:03:15.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:16.000 That's been Iran's borders.

01:03:17.000 The borders of Iraq were drawn by Winston Churchill with a pen or a pencil in 1921 after the end of World War I. And Iraq was... 0.93

01:03:27.000 Iran is all Shia Muslim.

01:03:29.000 It's all homogeneous people.

01:03:31.000 Iraq is Sunnis, Shias, Kurds. 1.00

01:03:34.000 You know, they've got some Hashemites. 1.00

01:03:37.000 And so Iraq really shouldn't be a country. 0.99

01:03:41.000 Nature wouldn't have made it a country.

01:03:42.000 It was politically drawn that way.

01:03:44.000 And that's a big weakness for Iraq and a big strength for Iran. 1.00

01:03:47.000 And I think people sort of felt something in that way, like when we entered Iraq. 0.99

01:03:53.000 It's like, yeah, it's a fucked up place already. 0.99

01:03:56.000 It's really a good idea to get rid of this guy, no matter what you think about going to Iraq. 1.00

01:04:00.000 It's like, we know that this guy's crazy. 1.00

01:04:02.000 We know that if he really does have nuclear power, we are fucked. 0.99

01:04:07.000 And of course, Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. 0.99

01:04:10.000 He had no weapons of mass destruction.

01:04:12.000 It's amazing.

01:04:13.000 He had no chemical agents. 1.00

01:04:14.000 And yet that's the same shit bloody Barack Obama's trying to stuff down our throats right now. 1.00

01:04:20.000 With Iran. 1.00

01:04:21.000 Exactly.

01:04:21.000 And that's the button that Ron Paul hits.

01:04:23.000 And that's the bullshit button. 0.99

01:04:25.000 I have a friend, Dmitry Orlov. 0.99

01:04:27.000 He's Russian.

01:04:28.000 He survived the collapse.

01:04:29.000 He's a writer.

01:04:30.000 Brilliant guy.

01:04:30.000 Good friend.

01:04:31.000 He calls it the aha moment.

01:04:32.000 It's the moment in the old Soviet Union when everybody went, Aha! 0.99

01:04:38.000 It's collapsed.

01:04:40.000 It's not working.

01:04:41.000 It's not credible.

01:04:42.000 Nobody believes it.

01:04:43.000 And Ron Paul is bringing that aha moment. 0.58

01:04:46.000 You know, like the Emperor's New Clothes when everybody in this country looks at every other sane person in this country and says, Jesus Christ, this is all corrupt, crooked.

01:04:54.000 And all of a sudden, we all see it.

01:04:57.000 Do you think another country is going to get some sort of a nuclear power and it's going to become an issue?

01:05:01.000 Do you think that's what's going to happen to us?

01:05:03.000 No.

01:05:04.000 I mean, that is the only argument whatsoever about suppressing other nations. 0.89

01:05:08.000 The only argument that's like, yeah, we've got nuclear power, but nobody else can have it because it's fucked up, we used it once, we feel real bad about it, but we don't trust you with it.

01:05:17.000 I mean, the idea that you would want to stop all these bad guys from creating nuclear power, not nuclear power, rather, but nuclear weapons, It's a consideration if you're dealing with a really volatile country in the first place.

01:05:29.000 I think our biggest concern now is not some other nation getting, because it's enormously expensive and energy intensive to enrich uranium and to make the warheads.

01:05:40.000 Believe me, that's the background that I come from when I had the clearance when I was living with my parents.

01:05:47.000 So I don't think we need to worry about anybody learning how to do it or making new.

01:05:50.000 What we've got is hundreds of thousands of nuclear...

01:05:55.000 That are already out there.

01:05:56.000 That's already there.

01:05:58.000 So we shouldn't be worried about Iran. 0.99

01:06:00.000 We should be worried about the shit that was missing in the Soviet Union. 0.99

01:06:03.000 We just put up a story on CollapseNet. 1.00

01:06:06.000 It was from a Japanese paper...

01:06:10.000 Max may remember, but it was a good Japanese paper that there's like 700 pounds of enriched uranium that are missing from Fukushima!

01:06:20.000 This stuff is swimming all over the world right now.

01:06:24.000 So enriched uranium, if you refresh my memory, it is a byproduct.

01:06:30.000 Was it enriched or?

01:06:30.000 Plutonium.

01:06:31.000 Anyway.

01:06:31.000 Enriched uranium is like, that's the stuff that they, the issues with weapons and Gulf War syndrome, right?

01:06:38.000 No, that's the same stuff.

01:06:40.000 Oh, depleted uranium.

01:06:41.000 Depleted uranium.

01:06:42.000 That's different.

01:06:42.000 Right.

01:06:42.000 Enriched uranium is uranium that you process with heavy water, with centrifuges, and various ways to concentrate the atoms of the U-235 or U-238 that give you the energy, but it's like packing the punch to enrich it, to make it fissile, so that in a reactor, when you pull the radio, it'll create the heat, because all a nuclear reactor really is is a boiling water pot.

01:07:12.000 Albert Einstein looked at the first nuclear reactor.

01:07:15.000 He said, it's a hell of a way to boil water.

01:07:16.000 And that's where all the energy comes from out of every nuclear plant.

01:07:20.000 It's just boiling water and steam.

01:07:22.000 Wow.

01:07:22.000 Yeah.

01:07:23.000 Most people don't even know.

01:07:24.000 They just know that there's a nuclear reactor and they figure somehow or another they get that into an electricity line or something.

01:07:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:30.000 I mean, the idea behind it is that when you look at it that way, it's like, wow, that's pretty crazy primitive.

01:07:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:37.000 What a nutty fucking animal human beings are. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:07:41.000 Splitting atoms for our own power and then when they shut off or they get hit by a tsunami.

01:07:48.000 Well, here's the catch.

01:07:50.000 As...

01:07:51.000 Collapse proceeds as it gets worse.

01:07:54.000 As nations, you know, we're seeing sovereign debt.

01:07:55.000 Government's going bankrupt.

01:07:58.000 TEPCO is going bankrupt.

01:07:59.000 Japan's going to nationalize it.

01:08:00.000 But Japan's got a bigger debt than anybody else, etc., etc.

01:08:04.000 As collapse proceeds, our ability to deal with Fukushima-like events is going to diminish greatly.

01:08:11.000 There are 450 nuclear reactors in the world that are running.

01:08:14.000 And if we don't shut them down and collapse proceeds, they're going to kill everything anyway. 0.99

01:08:19.000 How the fuck did we get this screwed up so quickly? 1.00

01:08:22.000 Pretty stupid, huh? 1.00

01:08:23.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:08:24.000 It's amazing what an impact just the last few hundred years humans have had on the earth.

01:08:29.000 You know, think about how innocuous we were for the first million years of our existence.

01:08:33.000 In the last couple hundred years, we just like a firecracker with a long fuse.

01:08:38.000 That last couple hundred years was energy.

01:08:41.000 That's when we discovered the energy.

01:08:43.000 It's amazing.

01:08:43.000 Coal.

01:08:44.000 Oil.

01:08:46.000 Why can't we see what we're doing?

01:08:48.000 What kind of a weird thing are people where they have such an amazing ability to control their environment and to influence their environment and we can't, for whatever reason, we can't feel what we're doing bad to the environment.

01:09:02.000 It's almost like we have much more power and much more ability than we have the natural ability to To perceive the impact of this power.

01:09:12.000 That's the disconnect.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, the disconnect.

01:09:14.000 That's what happened.

01:09:16.000 That's what it is, right?

01:09:16.000 When the devil, whoever it was, wrote that into Genesis 1 saying, God saying, I give you dominion over this earth.

01:09:25.000 No.

01:09:25.000 See, we are not God.

01:09:28.000 Is it a mad scramble to figure it out?

01:09:31.000 Is that what it is?

01:09:31.000 I mean, do you think that the way humans have to evolve at an incredibly rapid pace, like sociologically or consciously, just to try to catch up with the technology that's evolving around us?

01:09:43.000 It's almost like this mad scramble is in place.

01:09:46.000 It almost has to be in place just to keep up with where technology is going.

01:09:52.000 I call that, I gave a speech in Grass Valley, that's up on CollapseNet website.

01:09:57.000 The speech was called The Birth of Post-Petroleum Human, and I coined a line in that.

01:10:01.000 I said, we, the people of the new consciousness, will live in the spaces between the ones and the zeros of Cartesian tyranny.

01:10:13.000 That's pretty badass.

01:10:14.000 Where they can't get us. 0.95

01:10:15.000 That should be on a Hallmark card.

01:10:17.000 But that's what this is.

01:10:20.000 This is like Cartesian tyranny is like somebody hitting the crack pipe two seconds before they die and they weigh eight pounds. 0.93

01:10:31.000 It's insane because it's supremely arrogant.

01:10:37.000 In other words, ones and zeros can't measure heart and soul, but music does.

01:10:43.000 Fighting does.

01:10:44.000 And that's not a one and zero thing.

01:10:47.000 It's something that exists outside of those measurements and those controls.

01:10:54.000 And that's really what I think the Occupy movement is really exemplifying really well.

01:10:59.000 So they feel victimized by ones and zeros and the manipulation and corruption of the system that manages the ones and zeros. 0.99

01:11:07.000 And they're screaming out from the visceral part of their, from the mind, from the instinct that's telling them, this is a fucking mess. 0.97

01:11:15.000 So when that woman says, or when they say, what do you occupy? 0.99

01:11:18.000 And she says, everything!

01:11:20.000 That's it.

01:11:21.000 You know, when I was saying that the Occupy people are sort of like white blood cells, and they're just gathering around this illness, and they don't even know what they're going to do with it, but they're gathering around all the sick spots.

01:11:32.000 There was a reason why, and I got deeply involved in that when I saw the violence, and I've been an activist a long time, and I know a lot of veterans.

01:11:41.000 I know a lot of special forces and SEALs.

01:11:44.000 When I saw Oakland and when I saw all the unforgivable violence, I was a good cop in the city.

01:11:50.000 I was sick.

01:11:52.000 I was as sick as I was when I saw the Rodney King beating happen.

01:11:54.000 You know, I was just sick to my heart.

01:11:56.000 But so were many of us.

01:11:58.000 And when Shamar Thomas did his thing, Shamar's been a guest on my radio show, I love him.

01:12:02.000 He's way cool.

01:12:04.000 He's having a hard time dealing with a celebrity.

01:12:06.000 I say, get used to it, you know.

01:12:09.000 But there were so many of us at so many levels who stepped up because we were so totally offended by that.

01:12:16.000 But Occupy was threatening.

01:12:19.000 And the reason Occupy threatened, and there was a Homeland Security coordinated the shutdown of all the cities.

01:12:25.000 We had that on CollapseNet.

01:12:28.000 We threatened them. 0.98

01:12:29.000 The tent was such a powerful symbol because you've never seen a fucking mortgage on a tent, have you? 0.98

01:12:36.000 Yeah, right? 0.98

01:12:37.000 It's freedom.

01:12:38.000 That's the symbol.

01:12:39.000 And in the space that was created, in my spirituality, it's very important to create and hold a sacred space.

01:12:46.000 You know, where the magic can happen and the Occupy Spaces, there was such magic happening.

01:12:51.000 People were connecting and people were waking up to each other and the learning curve was going so, yeah, okay, list of demands. 0.96

01:12:59.000 And people were just figuring shit out. 0.68

01:13:01.000 One of the first things that NYPD took out of Zuccotti Park was the library. 0.97

01:13:07.000 They threw all the books away and all of my books were in there.

01:13:10.000 What?

01:13:10.000 Yeah.

01:13:10.000 They took them right to a dumpster and disposed of them.

01:13:13.000 Because people would just be in the library the entire time?

01:13:17.000 People were unplugging from the matrix.

01:13:21.000 But why would they get rid of the library?

01:13:23.000 Just because they were hanging out there?

01:13:26.000 Why would they close the library and throw all the books away?

01:13:28.000 Why did Hitler burn the books?

01:13:30.000 Really?

01:13:30.000 I mean, so they're worried that that's where they're gonna get all their information from?

01:13:34.000 This library?

01:13:36.000 What they're afraid of.

01:13:36.000 Or is it just a place to hang out they're trying to eliminate?

01:13:40.000 They just hate gay sex. 1.00

01:13:41.000 This is a big science that, you know, in mass psychology when you reach a certain percentage of the people, 7% solution, whatever it is, all of a sudden everybody starts getting it. 0.98

01:13:52.000 That's what they were afraid of.

01:13:54.000 So they closed the library?

01:13:56.000 They didn't close it.

01:13:57.000 They threw the books away.

01:14:00.000 They did the equivalent of burning the books.

01:14:01.000 They disposed of them.

01:14:03.000 Wow.

01:14:04.000 That's bizarre.

01:14:04.000 There were a couple thousand books in that library.

01:14:06.000 Bizarre that anybody could really rationalize that being a good idea.

01:14:09.000 That's amazing.

01:14:10.000 That's amazing.

01:14:12.000 And that's the other thing about this NDAA thing that drives me crazy.

01:14:18.000 National Defense Authorization Act, where they're proposing that they can just arrest people.

01:14:23.000 They don't have to have a warrant.

01:14:25.000 They just have to have an idea that somehow or another you're a threat to America.

01:14:28.000 And they can indefinitely suspend you.

01:14:30.000 And they won't do it because they're good guys.

01:14:32.000 Don't worry.

01:14:32.000 Just in case.

01:14:34.000 But no, you can't have just in case.

01:14:35.000 That's crazy.

01:14:36.000 And it's crazy that it's gotten to the point where anybody would even consider saying yes to that.

01:14:40.000 You know, in Japan, they can just arrest you for 29 days.

01:14:43.000 And in those 29 days, they can torture you.

01:14:46.000 And most of the time, they'll get people to say things and write things off.

01:14:49.000 And then they'll prosecute them completely.

01:14:52.000 Wow.

01:14:53.000 That's amazing.

01:14:54.000 It's written in the U.S. Constitution, in the Bill of Rights.

01:14:57.000 Congress shall pass no law.

01:15:00.000 Boom.

01:15:01.000 Freedom of speech, everything else.

01:15:03.000 Okay, the Bill of Rights.

01:15:04.000 Congress has just passed a law that violates the Constitution.

01:15:09.000 Yeah.

01:15:10.000 And the President wants it, and he hasn't signed it because we made bloody Barack.

01:15:15.000 So he still hasn't signed it.

01:15:16.000 As far as I can tell, it's been a huge outcry.

01:15:19.000 What is today, the 25th?

01:15:20.000 27th.

01:15:21.000 The 7th.

01:15:21.000 Yeah, I don't even know what day it is.

01:15:23.000 December 27th.

01:15:24.000 Yeah.

01:15:25.000 So, he probably will.

01:15:29.000 Has he expressed?

01:15:30.000 I mean, he said he would veto it initially, right?

01:15:32.000 A long time ago?

01:15:34.000 Didn't he?

01:15:34.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:15:37.000 Not that I've heard.

01:15:38.000 I'm expecting him to sign it.

01:15:39.000 I had read somewhere that when it was first being proposed that people weren't worried if it got through the Senate because the president said he would veto it.

01:15:47.000 Do you think it's possible the president lies?

01:15:49.000 It's just so shocking.

01:15:51.000 It's just so shocking that they would literally change what America is.

01:15:54.000 The whole idea of America is land of the free, home of the brave, with liberty and justice for all.

01:16:01.000 That was like the founding principles of this great experiment.

01:16:05.000 Liberty and justice. 0.95

01:16:07.000 Those words are so fucking important because people don't understand that this idea of security being more important is absolutely fucking crazy because guess what? 0.98

01:16:17.000 You're pretty goddamn secure. 0.98

01:16:19.000 Do you feel bad? 0.99

01:16:21.000 Do you feel like the enemy's all around you and terrorism is everywhere?

01:16:24.000 It's not!

01:16:25.000 It's not! 0.99

01:16:26.000 There's a few isolated examples, and they're using those isolated examples to fuck you and to control you completely. 1.00

01:16:32.000 Pat down seven-year-old girls in the airport, make you stand where your weenie's hanging in the x-ray machine? 0.99

01:16:37.000 Listen, I'm all for them doing airport security the right way.

01:16:42.000 I think it's a good idea.

01:16:43.000 It's a smart idea.

01:16:44.000 They've caught some people doing something.

01:16:46.000 But whenever you give people power over other people...

01:16:48.000 I've seen people at the airport...

01:16:50.000 Maybe they just had a bad day...

01:16:52.000 Or maybe they were tired...

01:16:53.000 But I've seen them talk to people... 0.98

01:16:55.000 And they're kind of shitty to them... 0.98

01:16:57.000 And real short to them... 0.98

01:16:58.000 And I've seen the opposite...

01:16:59.000 I've seen people at the TSA that are real friendly and real cool...

01:17:02.000 And whenever you have that possibility...

01:17:04.000 That a human being's day and emotions, and that factors into how someone is interrogated or someone is handled going through the airport.

01:17:14.000 That someone could just be in a bad mood and be short and snippy.

01:17:17.000 That shouldn't be even in the equation.

01:17:19.000 That shouldn't be something that people have to deal with when it comes to security.

01:17:22.000 None of that stuff should be in the equation anyway.

01:17:25.000 If at anything, it should be something nice and simple.

01:17:28.000 You know, just...

01:17:30.000 That's conditioning, though.

01:17:31.000 That's training. 1.00

01:17:32.000 That's getting you used to being fucked with. 0.99

01:17:34.000 And it's so terrifying to think that it's possible that there's people out there that would allow things to happen just to tighten down security. 0.99

01:17:44.000 They would allow things that they knew could possibly be taking place to let it happen.

01:17:49.000 And that way, once it does, we'll tighten up this, and this will pass immediately, and then we'll just stick that right in the back door, and no one's ever going to say a word.

01:17:56.000 Plus, they make nice businesses and nice government contracts for people where the money gets laundered through all the guys.

01:18:02.000 I mean, it's sick.

01:18:04.000 The whole thing is...

01:18:06.000 The world is governed by organized crime.

01:18:08.000 And if you think about it, man, can you point to any government anywhere in the world that you think is doing a good job that its people are going, yeah, my government's really taking care of me?

01:18:17.000 No.

01:18:18.000 Because they're all run by the banks. 0.56

01:18:21.000 Gangsters. 0.66

01:18:23.000 Dick Cheney's the most obvious gangster of all time, right? 0.93

01:18:26.000 Is he the most obvious?

01:18:27.000 Well, that's aside from getting to the owners of the Fed, the Bank of International Settlements, City of London, finding out who those financial powers would be.

01:18:35.000 And who are those people?

01:18:36.000 That's the top of the food chain?

01:18:37.000 Is that what it is?

01:18:39.000 That's a shadow government?

01:18:40.000 We're going to find out more and more about who they are as things.

01:18:44.000 But Dick Cheney is far and away the most evil senior manager I have ever seen in my life.

01:18:50.000 That's kind of what my book Crossing the Rubicon is about along with a lot of other things. 0.90

01:18:54.000 Yeah, he was a gangster.

01:18:55.000 I mean, that guy shot his friend in the face and his friend apologized.

01:18:59.000 You know, that's as gangster as you get.

01:19:02.000 He was so terrifying. 0.99

01:19:03.000 A guy who made a living as the head of a company that fixes shit after we blow it up and then he gets an office. 1.00

01:19:13.000 And blows shit up and then makes a fuckload of money fixing it. 0.99

01:19:16.000 He killed 3,200 Americans and I say it in my book Crossing the Rubicon proves that Dick Cheney was the mastermind and executed September 11th. 0.99

01:19:23.000 I'll take it to court.

01:19:25.000 The book's in the Harvard Business Library.

01:19:26.000 So you believe that he actually engineered it.

01:19:29.000 It's not that they allowed 9-11 to happen.

01:19:32.000 He commanded it.

01:19:34.000 And he did this in order to get people excited about going to war with Iraq and have whatever power we wanted and what else? 0.67

01:19:41.000 He was fully aware of peak oil.

01:19:43.000 Iraq has the second largest oil reserves on the planet.

01:19:46.000 So the only way to do that was to allow planes...

01:19:48.000 No, you're saying that he didn't allow it, that he was a part of engineering it.

01:19:53.000 He literally said, this is what we're going to do.

01:19:57.000 We're going to take some planes and we're going to fly them into these buildings.

01:20:00.000 Do people fly those planes?

01:20:02.000 Do they trust people to fly those planes?

01:20:03.000 Those planes were flown by remote control.

01:20:06.000 I come from an Air Force family.

01:20:08.000 What do you think all these drones are flying around? 0.80

01:20:12.000 Okay, and that technology has been extant with commercial airliners in modern avionics for quite some time now.

01:20:20.000 Are you in the school that believes that the buildings were also rigged to implode?

01:20:29.000 I'm schizophrenic on that.

01:20:32.000 Because I don't believe the planes caused the buildings to crash.

01:20:36.000 But what I have said throughout the course of my career, I finished writing Rubicon in 04, was that I wouldn't touch it because you couldn't prove it in court.

01:20:42.000 The book that I wrote is legally admissible in court.

01:20:45.000 There's a chain of evidence.

01:20:46.000 There's no chain of evidence with the buildings.

01:20:48.000 You can't prove it in court.

01:20:49.000 And I'm still that good cop on the street. 0.99

01:20:52.000 I'd like to see somebody's ass go to jail for this. 0.97

01:20:55.000 So when I built my case, I built it from the framework of, can I get this into court? 0.99

01:21:00.000 You can't get building collapse into court because there's no chain of custody on the evidence from the day of September 11th until now.

01:21:06.000 Well, I would wonder how you would possibly prove it unless you built something just like it and had the same thing happen to it.

01:21:13.000 How could you really prove it?

01:21:14.000 That's the mistaken issue.

01:21:15.000 I mean, if something happened like that, which is an unexpected event, and it caused the building to collapse, which nobody anticipated, I mean, that obviously, there was some engineering involved in the construction of those buildings, some serious engineering.

01:21:27.000 Well, obviously, that engineering wasn't up to par, wasn't what it should have been.

01:21:32.000 Shouldn't there be some sort of a lawsuit about that?

01:21:34.000 I mean, shouldn't people be freaking out? 0.99

01:21:36.000 Like, hey, how come you guys built this thing to take an airplane hit, and it can't take a fucking airplane hit? 0.97

01:21:41.000 That's assuming that the court system is honest, too, which I don't. 0.99

01:21:47.000 Right.

01:21:49.000 If there's a dispute, is there any other way to prove that a plane hitting a building wouldn't take it down exactly that way?

01:21:56.000 That's what's called in the intelligence business.

01:21:58.000 That's called a red herring.

01:22:00.000 That's called an issue of the answer to which takes you completely away from the fact that I proved without arguing building collapse that the U.S. government did execute the attacks of 9-11.

01:22:10.000 What was the number one thing?

01:22:11.000 If you could explain it, there's a lot of people that would never believe that anybody in the position of government would ever do anything like that, anything similar to that, especially anyone who is at the head of a position of power in the United States of America, the greatest country in the world.

01:22:25.000 So what is the number one piece of evidence?

01:22:27.000 This was a piece of work that I did.

01:22:30.000 Rubicon is, I think, the second or third largest selling book about 9-11.

01:22:34.000 Really?

01:22:37.000 It's been read all over the world.

01:22:38.000 U.S. government can't admit that I exist.

01:22:40.000 That's a separate story.

01:22:41.000 We'll get there later.

01:22:42.000 But my original work led me to...

01:22:45.000 I come from an Air Force family.

01:22:47.000 My father was a decorated aviator.

01:22:49.000 He was in the 74th Fighter Interceptor Squadron in Maine.

01:22:53.000 During the Korean War, waiting for the Russians to come over the pole.

01:22:55.000 He was a radar intercept officer.

01:22:57.000 So I grew up being familiar with NORAD and scramble procedures and how it worked.

01:23:02.000 When the attacks took place, I saw the second plane hit.

01:23:05.000 I said, something's totally wrong.

01:23:06.000 That could never have happened.

01:23:07.000 That plane would have been shot down a long time ago.

01:23:09.000 That's what it was set up for.

01:23:11.000 But on the day...

01:23:11.000 How much time was it?

01:23:13.000 Was it less than an hour between the two planes?

01:23:16.000 48 minutes, something like that.

01:23:19.000 But on the day of September 11th, will you backtrack a little bit?

01:23:22.000 In May of 2001, George Bush gave control of all war game exercises in the country to Dick Cheney.

01:23:28.000 Never been heard of before.

01:23:30.000 He also, NORAD scramble procedures were rewritten before the attacks of 9-11.

01:23:35.000 But on the day of September the 11th, I discovered, and I have the evidence in the book, including an on-the-record email from an Air Force major, Don Arias at First Air Force in Tyndall Air Force Base, And there were war game exercises that were scheduled.

01:23:49.000 Now, normally the Northeast Air Defense Sector, ANG, Air National Guard pilots, there's like, you know, 50, 60 planes available in all the states in need.

01:24:01.000 But there were war game exercises that Dick Cheney has scheduled that sent like 80% of the fighters from Northeast Air Defense Sector to Alaska, Canada, and Greenland for war game exercises on the day of September 11th.

01:24:15.000 Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern, they're all in the book, and I have the records of all of them.

01:24:20.000 And who made that call?

01:24:21.000 Dick Cheney.

01:24:22.000 Dick Cheney made that call.

01:24:23.000 Okay, so now you have no fighters.

01:24:24.000 But then there was one war game exercise, Vigilant Guardian, I believe it was, that injected 24 false radar blips onto the screens of the Northeast Air Defense Sector as the hijackings took place.

01:24:39.000 Now picture, you're an air traffic controller looking at your screen, right?

01:24:43.000 You got a hijack alert, boom, and you got this war game exercise, and you cannot pick the hijack out of the 24 false blips.

01:24:49.000 Oh my God.

01:24:50.000 And now you've only got eight fighters left in the Northeast Air Defense Sector.

01:24:54.000 They have to fly in pairs.

01:24:55.000 You gotta have a wingman.

01:24:56.000 How traumatic do you think it would have been?

01:24:58.000 I'm sorry.

01:25:00.000 That's how I pieced it together, how it was done.

01:25:04.000 The planes were easily flown by remote control.

01:25:06.000 I believe in New York City the remote control was operated out of WTC-7, which is why they had the destroyed WTC-7.

01:25:12.000 Well, they had already had remote-controlled planes in the 60s.

01:25:15.000 50s.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, but how would you explain, like, the stewardess?

01:25:18.000 How would you explain all the people on there?

01:25:19.000 Because, I mean, I doubt, like, if the stewardess were, like, getting the plane ready and they opened up the cockpit and Teddy Ruxpin was sitting there, they're like, hey, what is the pilot?

01:25:25.000 I think the way you do it is the pilots no longer have control of the plane.

01:25:29.000 That's right.

01:25:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:25:30.000 The pilots are in the plane, they start to take off, and then they switch it off by remote, control the thing by computer, and then they're fucked. 0.98

01:25:37.000 And these people are controlling this. 0.95

01:25:38.000 That's been built in for a couple decades.

01:25:40.000 They were proposing, that was part of Operation Northwood.

01:25:43.000 They were proposing doing that to blow up a jet airliner and blame it on the Cubans.

01:25:47.000 They were going to say a whole bunch of people died, and they were just going to relocate people.

01:25:51.000 And then, going back to my family history, my mother worked in the most secret section of Army Security Agency, the Japanese codes.

01:25:58.000 We had broken the Japanese codes and Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack and let it happen. 0.99

01:26:03.000 I was dating a girl who was working in the White House.

01:26:06.000 I dated her a long time ago.

01:26:09.000 She had something to do with Navy intelligence or something like that.

01:26:14.000 I forget what it was.

01:26:14.000 But she entered something into a computer.

01:26:17.000 She used some sort of a code word that she wasn't supposed to use.

01:26:20.000 She typed in little green men under some sort of a data search.

01:26:24.000 And all these people came to her and they sat her down. 0.97

01:26:27.000 They brought her into her room and asked her what the fuck she was doing and why she was looking into that. 0.99

01:26:31.000 and really spooked her. 0.99

01:26:33.000 You know, she did it as a joke. 1.00

01:26:34.000 She thought she would be silly, you know, and, you know, she was a young girl, and they were like, what the fuck do you think you're doing? 1.00

01:26:39.000 What are you looking for, hooker? 1.00

01:26:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:42.000 You know?

01:26:42.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 Terrifying.

01:26:46.000 Listen, those guys run the world now.

01:26:48.000 It's amazing that it happened. 0.99

01:26:49.000 I mean, it's amazing that, you know, you look back in Teddy Roosevelt, you look back in Eisenhower, and you know, you feel like that's a real goddamn president. 0.90

01:26:58.000 That's the president, that's the commander-in-chief looking at the people with leadership and trying to move us forward, and that that was a guy. 0.86

01:27:06.000 I mean, look, when he left and he started talking about The military industrial complex and warning people about the dangers.

01:27:14.000 Could you imagine a speech like that today?

01:27:16.000 No.

01:27:16.000 Everyone's bought and paid for.

01:27:18.000 No one would ever do that kind of a speech.

01:27:20.000 The United States of America was mortally wounded on November 22nd, 1963. But the coup de grace was administered with the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy in 1968. And I was alive then.

01:27:33.000 And I have some connections to Bobby Kennedy.

01:27:37.000 As a result of my CIA stuff.

01:27:38.000 I was only a sophomore in high school, but LAPD handled that.

01:27:42.000 And I was groomed by the same people in LAPD who had done the Bobby Kennedy thing.

01:27:45.000 And Sirhan Sirhan did not shoot Bobby Kennedy.

01:27:47.000 I'm sorry, he didn't.

01:27:48.000 That was a CIA hit from start to finish.

01:27:50.000 Jesus Christ.

01:27:52.000 So Sirhan Sirhan was just what?

01:27:54.000 A setup?

01:27:54.000 A patsy?

01:27:55.000 He was their Olverstones guy?

01:27:57.000 He was hypnoprogrammed.

01:27:59.000 They were very heavy into research with LSD and hypnosis to produce...

01:28:06.000 So they talked him into it somehow or another with LSD? Well...

01:28:10.000 They were that good at that? 0.53

01:28:11.000 How did they not know he wasn't blow a fuse and just start shooting everybody? 0.82

01:28:14.000 It's true psychological butchery.

01:28:17.000 There are records still existing from the LAPD files.

01:28:20.000 I have some.

01:28:23.000 Showing the kind of...

01:28:25.000 He had lots of drawings and scripts.

01:28:27.000 So they planted ideas, but they planted in him a hypnotic trigger.

01:28:32.000 So it's a Manchurian candidate type thing.

01:28:34.000 That's real?

01:28:34.000 They can really do that?

01:28:35.000 Absolutely.

01:28:37.000 It's super effective. 1.00

01:28:38.000 They can just count on it, go kill a guy who's running for president. 1.00

01:28:40.000 You would think you wouldn't want some moron. 0.99

01:28:43.000 Christ, they murdered Paul Wellstone, you know, Senator Paul Wellstone, and I did a big thing on that at From the Wilderness. 1.00

01:28:49.000 Yeah, they kill people all the time.

01:28:52.000 The strange death of Vince Foster is a great one.

01:28:54.000 Yeah, so many of them.

01:28:56.000 Yeah, I read that book a long time ago.

01:28:58.000 I don't remember too much of it, but I do remember having my jaw halfway hanging off my face and half of it. 1.00

01:29:04.000 What the fuck? 0.98

01:29:05.000 They find this guy, all his blood's missing, got shot somewhere else, brought to this one spot, gun still in his hand, which you never find. 1.00

01:29:13.000 When someone self-administers a gunshot wound, your hands go flying, the gun goes flying.

01:29:17.000 So does the gun, yeah. 1.00

01:29:18.000 Yeah, you don't have a fucking gun in your hand. 1.00

01:29:20.000 I handled a few homicides. 1.00

01:29:21.000 Yeah, I'm sure you did, right? 1.00

01:29:23.000 When you saw that, the Vince Foster thing, was that like a huge It's absolute bullshit. 1.00

01:29:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:28.000 But then, again, so many of us...

01:29:31.000 We don't want to think that the Clinton administration would be capable of something like that, though.

01:29:36.000 We want to think that it's only the evil Bush administration or, you know, Dick Cheney, he could do it, but not Bill. 1.00

01:29:42.000 Bill just wants to get his dick sucked. 1.00

01:29:44.000 I was... 1.00

01:29:44.000 I was hammering on Bill forever. 1.00

01:29:47.000 He's a drug-dealing, murdering son of a bitch. 1.00

01:29:49.000 That's so scary. 1.00

01:29:50.000 Arkansas is the only state ever in the history of the United States that had bearer bonds because it was laundering so much cocaine money.

01:29:58.000 Wow.

01:29:59.000 What is it?

01:29:59.000 Bearer bonds?

01:30:00.000 Bearer bonds.

01:30:01.000 In other words, they're bonds that you can walk into any large bank in the world and redeem right there for cash.

01:30:07.000 Whoa.

01:30:08.000 Oh my God.

01:30:09.000 So they let that be legal because they were trying to get rid of all the cocaine money?

01:30:13.000 Everybody was on the same side.

01:30:15.000 That's an amazing story.

01:30:16.000 For folks who...

01:30:17.000 There was a documentary on it.

01:30:18.000 Forget the documentary.

01:30:19.000 I believe it was one of those A&E shows.

01:30:20.000 Barry Seals, Mina, Arkansas.

01:30:22.000 Amazing story.

01:30:23.000 And that guy became the president.

01:30:25.000 And we think he's one of the best ones ever.

01:30:27.000 You know...

01:30:28.000 Everybody wants to bring him back.

01:30:29.000 This is a really funny story.

01:30:30.000 One of the first stories I broke it from the wilderness, and that was a newsletter I had for eight and a half years.

01:30:35.000 Our final coup was breaking the Pat Tillman cover up.

01:30:40.000 My computers got smashed for that and I got poisoned.

01:30:42.000 But one of the early stories we broke, Barry Seal used to own a Beechcraft King Air 200. It's a really cool plane.

01:30:48.000 Turbocharged, two engines, you know, high T tail pressurized.

01:30:51.000 It's a Rolls Royce plane.

01:30:53.000 And I got a tip, and the same plane that Barry Seale owned was George W. Bush's plane, Texas State plane when he was governor.

01:31:03.000 He was using as governor Barry Seale's airplane.

01:31:07.000 And I broke the story and AP came and picked it up for me. 1.00

01:31:09.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:31:10.000 Reuters picked it up, yeah. 0.99

01:31:11.000 Well, didn't that happen really recently as well?

01:31:14.000 Like a CIA jet that had been to Guantanamo Bay at least twice crashed in Mexico with four tons of cocaine in it?

01:31:23.000 We had a story, yes.

01:31:24.000 That was a true story, right?

01:31:25.000 That goes back to Air America, back to the old Flying Tigers and the Chenaults and the Kuomintang. 1.00

01:31:31.000 Nobody wants to believe this.

01:31:32.000 What you're saying right now, do you know how many people?

01:31:34.000 Everybody believes it now.

01:31:35.000 Everybody now, but there's a lot of people out there, especially folks that are maybe in their 50s that have had a normal job.

01:31:42.000 You know, go to barbecues on the weekends and they go to church.

01:31:45.000 They don't ever want to, like, think too far outside the box.

01:31:47.000 Yeah.

01:31:47.000 What you're saying is so fucking far outside the box that there's a lot of people that are going, no, no, no, no, no.

01:31:53.000 You're taking it too far. 0.92

01:31:55.000 They didn't cause 9-1-1.

01:31:57.000 Proof's all there.

01:31:58.000 What's the number one piece of proof to you that Dick Cheney caused that to happen?

01:32:02.000 The war games.

01:32:04.000 They were all under his control.

01:32:05.000 Because of the fact, it couldn't have been coincidental, it couldn't have been that maybe someone knew that he was doing these war games, so they figured that's a time to attack, because, you know, they had some inside people in the army that knew this, and then they leaked the information, and they said, well, we'll get you another week.

01:32:19.000 Do you think it's possible?

01:32:21.000 Did you just listen to what you were explaining and how, like, not credible that sounded? 0.98

01:32:25.000 It sounds ridiculous.

01:32:25.000 I agree, I agree, but I'm just giving you a what-if, because I watched Mission Impossible 5 the other night, and it was...

01:32:30.000 Oh my god.

01:32:31.000 Pretty badass up until the end.

01:32:32.000 But I'm willing to suspend disbelief, you know what I'm saying?

01:32:35.000 Yeah.

01:32:35.000 But I mean, is it possible that that happened or no?

01:32:39.000 No.

01:32:40.000 No way.

01:32:40.000 No.

01:32:41.000 Come on.

01:32:42.000 You had, of the 19 hijackers, I think, we know that five had received training at U.S. military bases.

01:32:51.000 Muhammad Atat, Gunter Annex, to Maxwell Air Force Base.

01:32:54.000 I have all of that in the book.

01:32:56.000 But hold on a second.

01:32:57.000 If you think that the planes were taken over at remote control, do you think that people were, that hijackers were actually really on the planes and attacked?

01:33:07.000 Okay.

01:33:07.000 The hijackers were on the planes, but they weren't.

01:33:10.000 They didn't know or they did know.

01:33:12.000 Well, there were 12 I call patsies who were like sacrificial hijackers. 0.97

01:33:16.000 They were never meant to live anyway.

01:33:17.000 They were on the planes, definitely.

01:33:19.000 Planes were flown by remote control because pilots like Al-Hazmi or Al-Midar, whoever was supposedly flying the plane into the Pentagon, You know, that's a maneuver like one of the most experienced pilots in the world couldn't make.

01:33:36.000 And this was a guy who couldn't get a multi-engine license.

01:33:38.000 He couldn't get an instrument rating.

01:33:40.000 He had no hours.

01:33:41.000 It's not possible.

01:33:42.000 None of those maneuvers could have been performed by any of those people.

01:33:47.000 Wow.

01:33:48.000 And I hold some question as to whether Mohamed Atta and several of the ones that I and Michelle Chosodoski and some great work was done On the flight training by Daniel Hopsicker.

01:34:01.000 I've seen some stuff online.

01:34:02.000 Hopsicker did amazing work about the Venice Flying School And Mohammed Atta's Flying Circus and all real hard documentation.

01:34:11.000 So I wasn't alone.

01:34:13.000 It was me and Michelle Chosodovsky, Dan Hopsicker and Paul Thompson.

01:34:17.000 We were the four guys who really did 90% of the 9-11 research.

01:34:21.000 Enlighten me about the argument when it comes to the physics of actually flying a plane.

01:34:27.000 I had read that it's much more difficult to do, like physically difficult to do what they were doing by steering it than it is to do it by remote control.

01:34:35.000 What they were doing is physically hard to do because of the G-force of the turn and everything.

01:34:40.000 Well, and it's also the calculation.

01:34:42.000 Now, you have to understand that when you're flying a 757 or a 767 and you're coming out of a turn onto the North Tower.

01:34:51.000 Right. 0.99

01:34:51.000 You've got to know what the fuck you're doing. 0.99

01:34:53.000 You've got to be good at that shit. 1.00

01:34:55.000 That's like a Formula One race driver driving through a chicane holding the perfect line. 1.00

01:35:01.000 Yeah, I was thinking that too. 1.00

01:35:02.000 What's to keep that fucking plane from spinning upside down now if this asshole is spinning it around in a circle like that? 1.00

01:35:07.000 He knows how to do that with a jet? 1.00

01:35:09.000 A giant jumbo jet?

01:35:11.000 These guys couldn't fly.

01:35:12.000 They weren't licensed to fly a regular old Cessna.

01:35:15.000 So how many people know about it altogether?

01:35:17.000 If you had to guess, if you said, okay, there's Dick Cheney and he's the guy that you perceive as being the mastermind...

01:35:23.000 And then there's a bunch of people who also have to be in on it, because they have to rig these planes with remote control capability, and they have to order NATO to stand down.

01:35:33.000 They have to do all these different things that they did that day.

01:35:36.000 How many people?

01:35:37.000 It's compartmentalized intelligence.

01:35:39.000 Now, remember, I come from a spook family.

01:35:41.000 So let's say you're making an atom bomb.

01:35:43.000 So some guy in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, might be doing something to enrich uranium.

01:35:48.000 Some guy someplace else might be making part of a super hard, Steel casing to contain the blast for one of the bombs.

01:35:57.000 Somebody else may be working on it.

01:35:58.000 Nobody knows what the finished product looks like.

01:36:01.000 Right.

01:36:02.000 But there has to be a few at the top.

01:36:04.000 How many people do you think knew?

01:36:06.000 I'm guessing.

01:36:09.000 30, 40, 50. That's terrifying.

01:36:13.000 It's terrifying that 40 or 50 people would be willing to do that and they could all find each other and form a gang, you know, and actually make something like this happen.

01:36:21.000 And they just hang out at NASA all the time.

01:36:23.000 Yeah, not NASA. Some Army Pentagon type place.

01:36:30.000 Soundstage.

01:36:30.000 Do you think that the thing that hit the Pentagon was a jet or was it a missile?

01:36:35.000 No, it was an airplane.

01:36:37.000 It was an airplane.

01:36:38.000 Okay, again, I was a cop, right?

01:36:40.000 Right.

01:36:40.000 And so when I was...

01:36:42.000 It was another remote-controlled airplane, you believe?

01:36:43.000 No.

01:36:44.000 Yes, definitely.

01:36:46.000 That's why I was able to do something so crazy?

01:36:48.000 That was a 270-degree loop turn coming in with the engine cowlings probably five feet off the deck.

01:36:55.000 A human pilot can't do that.

01:36:58.000 Remote control can't.

01:37:00.000 They've had people actually try to attempt that in an aviation simulator and they weren't able to do it.

01:37:07.000 Is it a physical issue?

01:37:09.000 I don't understand what it is. 0.99

01:37:12.000 You'd have to be just some badass fucking race car driver motherfucker who knows how to get around the Nurburgring in 719, right? 0.99

01:37:20.000 Is that what it is? 1.00

01:37:21.000 Yes.

01:37:22.000 And you must have practiced that one turn 10,000 times.

01:37:27.000 You practice moves in martial arts.

01:37:29.000 How often do you work a kata before you...

01:37:31.000 The Pentagon sits in a bowl.

01:37:34.000 I was born in Washington, D.C. I know it.

01:37:36.000 And 395 runs around the Pentagon.

01:37:39.000 You can look.

01:37:40.000 Right down, and you see the whole Pentagon sitting down there.

01:37:43.000 It's like sitting in the Rose Bowl, okay?

01:37:46.000 Now, there were more than 400 witnesses on I-395.

01:37:52.000 Truck drivers, cab drivers, soccer moms, you name it. 1.00

01:37:57.000 They all saw an airplane hit the Pentagon, and they would testify in court.

01:38:01.000 That's what they saw.

01:38:03.000 So, regardless of what anybody thinks, I'm not going to argue the point is, The fact is to try the case in court and to hang Dick Cheney, which I can do without going down that side alley.

01:38:14.000 It's not important to me.

01:38:16.000 But I do think a jet plane hit the Pentagon.

01:38:20.000 Well, they released that footage, but it was like stop action.

01:38:23.000 It was only a few frames, and you can't really clearly make out what the hell it is.

01:38:27.000 Why do you think they did that?

01:38:28.000 Why don't they release some clear footage?

01:38:30.000 Because they don't want people using it for propaganda?

01:38:32.000 Yeah.

01:38:33.000 In the intelligence business, there's a program called COINTELPRO and many other programs that have been used and developed by CIA and Army Intelligence on the creation of false legends and false stories.

01:38:50.000 And one of the biggest deals in the intelligence trade is to do a dangle.

01:38:56.000 A dangle, let's say I'm a spy, a dangle would be like a 5 foot 10 woman right out of my ultimate sexual fantasy, you know, blah blah. 1.00

01:39:05.000 That's a dangle. 0.94

01:39:06.000 But sometimes a dangle comes in the form of information.

01:39:09.000 Sometimes a dangle comes in the form of a tempting lead that looks like it's going to really take you somewhere.

01:39:14.000 Now disinformation, in order to be effective, has to be 90% true.

01:39:19.000 Otherwise you won't swallow it.

01:39:21.000 You won't buy it.

01:39:23.000 So there's a poison pill that they put in.

01:39:25.000 You swallow the 10% poison pill, and then if you ever get enough traction, They activate the poison and kill you.

01:39:33.000 So, I do believe a plane hit the Pentagon and what we saw, we never saw a jetliner hit in any of those films.

01:39:42.000 Okay, I think that was bait.

01:39:43.000 To see if that action got enough traction, then at some point they would come up and actually show you the video of a jetliner hitting and all of a sudden everything else you bought into as a result is discredited.

01:39:55.000 He looks preposterous.

01:39:57.000 Exactly.

01:39:58.000 Yeah, I've always thought that was fascinating, like, when you read someone's stories and, you know, you read something, like, that guy, Behold the Pale Horse guy, William Cooper, is that his name?

01:40:07.000 Bill Cooper, yeah.

01:40:07.000 Bill Cooper.

01:40:08.000 What was that guy's deal?

01:40:10.000 Because he was one of those guys, let me just say before you even tell me, he was one of those guys that I would read his stuff and I'd go, well that makes sense, that makes sense. 1.00

01:40:18.000 Oh, he's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:40:20.000 It was like, that was the progression. 0.94

01:40:22.000 And so that made me think, well what if this guy is like working for them, like making everything else look retarded by coming up with this one idea that he tosses in about bases on the moon where they're processing fucking compound race tires for the Corvette team. 0.95

01:40:35.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:40:35.000 He would say something like that and be like, the fuck is this guy talking about? 0.99

01:40:40.000 There are lots of people like that. 0.99

01:40:42.000 And this is why I've walked a completely different path.

01:40:44.000 Because I had to walk the path of complete credibility for 35 years. 1.00

01:40:48.000 Do you think there's people that are embedded in that path that are there just to say stupid shit? 1.00

01:40:54.000 Just credit things? 1.00

01:40:55.000 Yes, but I also think there are some people who are...

01:41:00.000 Feel moved to tell the truth because they're outraged.

01:41:02.000 That's you.

01:41:03.000 Yes, but those people would also say something that they know tells to the powers that be that they aren't a threat.

01:41:12.000 Well, what's really funny is a lot of you guys, and I don't want to lump anybody into a category, and I'm certainly not putting you in with anybody else because I love your work, but a lot of you guys think that it's not you, not you, but people along those lines are calling out the government.

01:41:29.000 They think that there are people out there that are shills.

01:41:32.000 Like other guys that are successful, like their competition. 1.00

01:41:34.000 Oh, that motherfucker. 1.00

01:41:35.000 He's a CIA. He's an operative. 1.00

01:41:38.000 Well, I wouldn't say CIA, but there are definite people out here.

01:41:41.000 For sure.

01:41:42.000 Absolutely.

01:41:43.000 Right.

01:41:43.000 When you see a guy on TV and you see him talking, how much time do you give him before you start wondering if this guy is a plant?

01:41:53.000 When you see any sort of a leader, any sort of a movement, when you watch them, how much time do you like?

01:42:00.000 Well, my rule of thumb is that they wouldn't be on TV unless they were already controlled anyway.

01:42:05.000 That's just the real simple way to look at it.

01:42:07.000 You don't get the airtime.

01:42:08.000 See, I'm invisible to the U.S. government. 0.99

01:42:12.000 I made the video that's had some good play called Say My Fucking Name. 0.98

01:42:17.000 It's up on YouTube. 0.98

01:42:17.000 I saw that. 0.98

01:42:18.000 It was crazy.

01:42:19.000 It was fascinating. 1.00

01:42:20.000 I've done all this shit, right? 1.00

01:42:22.000 You sounded a bit like a jolted lover. 0.99

01:42:23.000 Thank you.

01:42:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:25.000 Like it was a chick that banged everybody in the Rolling Stones.

01:42:29.000 Real pissed off.

01:42:30.000 I'm sure, yeah.

01:42:31.000 It would make sense. 0.98

01:42:32.000 Because I've been saying all this shit, and like, the US government spent, the State Department spent $3 million refuting every other 9-11 theory out there. 0.98

01:42:41.000 But not yours. 0.99

01:42:41.000 They couldn't mention my name. 0.99

01:42:43.000 I'm invisible.

01:42:44.000 So do you feel like they don't have to address you because you don't have as much mainstream exposure as, say, you know, any of these other guys that you, you know what I mean?

01:42:52.000 Is that what it is?

01:42:53.000 Wait a minute.

01:42:54.000 No, no.

01:42:55.000 I was in this really successful movie called Collapse.

01:42:58.000 It's been seen all over the world.

01:43:00.000 That's obviously...

01:43:01.000 150,000 copies of that album.

01:43:03.000 But you're obviously not on these C-SPAN shows or CNN shows.

01:43:06.000 You're not being interviewed all the time.

01:43:08.000 I've been blacklisted.

01:43:09.000 Right, but why is that?

01:43:10.000 If all...

01:43:12.000 Is it just because they can't control you?

01:43:13.000 It's 100% truth?

01:43:15.000 They can't shut me down.

01:43:16.000 I've left a record of three million words in Rubicon.

01:43:20.000 There's a thousand footnotes.

01:43:21.000 So no matter how many books this sells, no matter how many people watch Collapse, they'll keep you off those other shows.

01:43:28.000 Absolutely.

01:43:28.000 And that plays out real well with Native American spirituality, which was something that I've come to understand and really appreciate.

01:43:36.000 I'm deeper into it.

01:43:37.000 And there's different kinds of medicine attributed to different kinds of animals.

01:43:41.000 Bear medicine.

01:43:42.000 Fox medicine has been very powerful for me. 1.00

01:43:45.000 What is one that makes your penis hard? 1.00

01:43:47.000 Is that tiger medicine? 1.00

01:43:48.000 No, that's squaw medicine. 0.97

01:43:51.000 Squaw medicine.

01:43:53.000 So what do you mean by like bear medicine?

01:43:56.000 Well, fox medicine is very important.

01:43:58.000 I've had a couple of very powerful encounters with foxes.

01:44:01.000 Fox medicine and Native American spirituality makes you invisible. 1.00

01:44:04.000 In other words, I am invisible to the powers that be.

01:44:07.000 Do you work for the government?

01:44:08.000 Because this is what's going on here.

01:44:10.000 No.

01:44:10.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:44:11.000 Yeah, I know.

01:44:11.000 But you're saying crazy stuff now.

01:44:13.000 You're saying crazy stuff's about foxes being invisible.

01:44:15.000 No.

01:44:15.000 And so if somebody thought that you were a disinformation agent, they would say, oh, here's the evidence.

01:44:20.000 He says all this brilliant shit, and then he starts talking about foxes being invisible. 0.99

01:44:23.000 No, I didn't say fox is invisible. 0.99

01:44:24.000 Fox medicine means I'm invisible.

01:44:26.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:27.000 And I'm invisible.

01:44:29.000 To mainstream media.

01:44:31.000 They all read me.

01:44:32.000 They all know who I am.

01:44:34.000 They just can't say my name.

01:44:35.000 And that made me mad.

01:44:38.000 I made that tape because I was so pissed off that everything was falling apart and nobody was... 0.99

01:44:44.000 Talking about how criminal and how fucked up this was and a whole generation is being screwed. 0.97

01:44:48.000 I think a lot of people are talking about it, though, don't you think? 0.99

01:44:50.000 I mean, at this point, a lot of people are talking about it.

01:44:52.000 But if they say my name, it's game over.

01:44:55.000 Because then they have to see the body of work.

01:44:58.000 So you're saying that all these people that are in any position of power that are, you know, saying the sky is falling, it's all falling apart, but whatever you do, don't talk about Michael Rupert?

01:45:08.000 Don't give him the mic.

01:45:10.000 Why does it make any sense?

01:45:12.000 You seem like the perfect person to talk about this stuff. 1.00

01:45:14.000 Someone has to be an expert in shit. 0.99

01:45:16.000 But then I'm going to prove that CNN, that ABC, that all the corporate-owned media is absolutely criminally corrupt and complicit in all the economic criminality that's been taking place in covering up all these other crimes. 0.99

01:45:31.000 Every major media outlet in this country trades its shares on Wall Street and they're all part of the same economic paradigm.

01:45:38.000 And they can't afford to see me.

01:45:40.000 And it's not just me.

01:45:41.000 I mean, all the people who did Peak Oil, who've done the work on, you know, they see me because I give credit to everybody else.

01:45:49.000 They've got to see all this other body of work that they've ignored.

01:45:52.000 And so if they talk to you about any of this stuff, then it opens up the floodgates, the CIA selling drugs, and all this. 0.99

01:45:58.000 So they're like, shut the fuck up. 0.99

01:45:59.000 Michael Rupert's not coming on the show. 0.99

01:46:00.000 Exactly.

01:46:01.000 You know, some intern comes up.

01:46:02.000 There's a guy, his name is Michael Rupert.

01:46:04.000 He's very articulate.

01:46:05.000 He's the star of that movie Collapse. 0.99

01:46:06.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:46:07.000 Get out of my office. 1.00

01:46:08.000 No, no, he can't get on The Tonight Show.

01:46:10.000 What shows have you been on?

01:46:11.000 Who has let you on?

01:46:12.000 Bill Maher ever had you on?

01:46:13.000 No.

01:46:14.000 No.

01:46:14.000 You've got to be on that show.

01:46:16.000 You know, I would love it if he had the balls. 1.00

01:46:18.000 I don't think he has the balls. 1.00

01:46:19.000 Oh, he has the balls. 1.00

01:46:20.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:46:21.000 You don't think Bill Maher... 1.00

01:46:22.000 Bill Maher doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:46:24.000 He's got the balls. 1.00

01:46:25.000 HBO writes his paychecks. 0.99

01:46:27.000 Yeah, but you think that they're going to really... 0.99

01:46:29.000 He says some pretty controversial shit on that show. 0.98

01:46:32.000 Time Warner. 0.98

01:46:33.000 Yeah.

01:46:34.000 And that's like one of my other favorite wimps out there, Amy Goodman. 1.00

01:46:39.000 Democracy too late.

01:46:40.000 She talks about all these great issues that don't change anything.

01:46:44.000 She's like a gatekeeper and she's syndicated by Rupert Burdock.

01:46:47.000 Do you think she works for the government as well?

01:46:50.000 Let's rephrase that.

01:46:51.000 I think she knows who butters her bread. 1.00

01:46:55.000 So it's fucked. 1.00

01:46:56.000 But the internet is the only hope, right? 0.99

01:46:59.000 But now that there's stuff like SOPA, right?

01:47:02.000 Is it Stop Online Piracy Act?

01:47:04.000 A lot of people who are paranoid about this see this as a backdoor to possibly, you know, this is the beginning of regulating the internet.

01:47:12.000 Trust me, I got a chapter on PROMIS software in that book, which talks about some of the stuff the government can do.

01:47:21.000 The government can do anything that they want to do right now.

01:47:24.000 SOPA doesn't scare me enough because SOPA is just kind of legalizing something that we know they're already doing anyway.

01:47:31.000 I mean, we've been under severe hacking at CollapseNet and we've got a great team of IT specialists.

01:47:38.000 And we're talking coordinated DDoS, you know, new servers, boom, boom, boom, getting into our emails, shutting us out of this, shutting it out.

01:47:46.000 They even go so far as to change, like, the number of visitors we have on the website to make it look like nobody's looking at our website.

01:47:53.000 Make it zero, make it go backwards. 1.00

01:47:54.000 It's stupid. 1.00

01:47:56.000 But they're doing all that now. 1.00

01:47:57.000 They've done it to occupy.

01:47:58.000 And of course, we see Anonymous doing that back.

01:48:00.000 So that happens. 0.99

01:48:02.000 So I'm not so much worried about SOPA because I know the bastards are going to do that. 0.98

01:48:06.000 So that to you is just like sort of confirming something that has already been in play. 0.98

01:48:10.000 It means nothing.

01:48:11.000 Nothing's changed.

01:48:12.000 It was already bought and sold.

01:48:14.000 They're going to go to another degree of difficulty or another level of intensity with that.

01:48:20.000 But the detention provisions in the NDAA... Totally violate habeas corpus, the Magna Carta, U.S. Constitution.

01:48:29.000 That's fundamental.

01:48:31.000 And if that bill gets signed, the United States of America no longer exists.

01:48:36.000 It's just so ridiculous that things have gotten so bad that they think they need to pass that.

01:48:40.000 It's not that bad. 0.74

01:48:41.000 So you've got a few people protesting. 0.98

01:48:43.000 Yeah, really, you don't need to have the military in the fucking streets, alright? 0.97

01:48:47.000 It's really, it's not that big a deal. 0.98

01:48:49.000 But what the problem is, is they're looking at the next step.

01:48:51.000 They're saying this is unpredicted.

01:48:53.000 They never thought that they would see this.

01:48:54.000 They never thought they would see hundreds of thousands of people, you know, just ranting in the streets, chanting in the streets, holding signs, wandering around.

01:49:02.000 And then camping out. 0.98

01:49:03.000 Like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:49:05.000 So this is why they showed their hand. 0.99

01:49:08.000 But they have also been very aware, Joe, that there are...

01:49:16.000 50, 60 million hardcore unemployed homeless people and the number is growing.

01:49:21.000 They're aware that now it's one in two of the people in this country can be classified under the poverty line.

01:49:29.000 Half of the population.

01:49:31.000 One in every six Americans is on food stamps.

01:49:34.000 People are starving.

01:49:36.000 They're freezing.

01:49:37.000 They've lost their jobs.

01:49:38.000 They've lost their money.

01:49:39.000 They've known this was going to be coming too.

01:49:41.000 But I think there's another reason for this with the planned attack on Iran is so that they can do a roundup of Arab Americans like they did with the Japanese right after World War II and put them in camps. 0.52

01:49:54.000 Jesus Christ.

01:49:56.000 So you think that the ultimate goal is to start locking giant groups of people up in FEMA camps?

01:50:02.000 No, and this is where I disagree strongly with some people.

01:50:07.000 Alex Jones?

01:50:07.000 Absolutely.

01:50:10.000 It takes money to feed people.

01:50:14.000 You have to pay the guards.

01:50:15.000 You have to build the camps.

01:50:17.000 You have to put gasoline.

01:50:19.000 You have to heat for the people.

01:50:20.000 And human industrial civilization is collapsing.

01:50:24.000 If you think to what the powers that be, the money people did during the Great Depression, They didn't put all the homeless starving in camps.

01:50:31.000 No.

01:50:32.000 They let them drag themselves across the country from the Oklahoma Dust Bowl to California and if they starved along the way, the government wasn't paying a penny.

01:50:40.000 It cost nothing.

01:50:41.000 It weeded out the population and the strongest made it to California to work for slave wages. 0.99

01:50:46.000 That's The evil of the beast.

01:50:49.000 They will have camps, you know, for people like me, or if there's major civil unrest in some cities or something like that, but no long term because the resources don't exist to do that.

01:50:58.000 So the idea is just kill everybody then? 0.90

01:51:01.000 Let them starve. 1.00

01:51:02.000 Let them starve. 1.00

01:51:03.000 Starve to death. 0.99

01:51:04.000 Let them catch disease. 0.99

01:51:06.000 So intern them and then make them sick. 0.99

01:51:10.000 Mass genocide. 0.99

01:51:11.000 I wouldn't go that far.

01:51:12.000 No, I mean...

01:51:13.000 I mean, ultimately, if they know that that's what's got to go down, why not just poison everybody?

01:51:17.000 Well, that was...

01:51:18.000 Why not just Guyana, Jim Jones, everybody?

01:51:19.000 Yeah, no, that was the Nazi plan, and that didn't work.

01:51:23.000 Fascism has become much more sophisticated since then.

01:51:26.000 So what are the other options when it's completely hit the fan?

01:51:30.000 What are the other options to get rid of a giant group of people?

01:51:33.000 You let the cities go.

01:51:37.000 You let the people...

01:51:38.000 It's happening all over the world right now.

01:51:40.000 And you think that's unquestionably a plan?

01:51:42.000 Sure.

01:51:44.000 Who's planning to have all these cities fall apart?

01:51:46.000 The bankers?

01:51:47.000 Again, nobody plans for city X or city Y to fall apart that way on a bill.

01:51:53.000 They just engineer corruption into the system to the point where...

01:51:56.000 Collapse is happening.

01:51:56.000 And you believe it's engineered?

01:51:59.000 Well...

01:51:59.000 Is it just greed?

01:52:01.000 I mean, that's what I'm confused about.

01:52:04.000 Collapse is a fait accompli.

01:52:05.000 That's a simple matter of...

01:52:07.000 What does that mean?

01:52:09.000 It's a done deal.

01:52:10.000 Oh, fait accompli?

01:52:11.000 Limit of resources.

01:52:12.000 What language is that?

01:52:13.000 French.

01:52:14.000 Why is it so cool when you quote something and we could just...

01:52:16.000 Fait accompli because it's romantic.

01:52:18.000 It is, right?

01:52:19.000 That's like a good way to get laid. 1.00

01:52:20.000 Sorry.

01:52:22.000 So, the resource limitations govern, collapse.

01:52:26.000 Six billion people...

01:52:27.000 So because of the way society is set up, there's no way...

01:52:29.000 That's all going to collapse and wear out anyway.

01:52:31.000 Right.

01:52:31.000 We need a resource-based society.

01:52:32.000 We can't have the derivatives.

01:52:33.000 We can't have this nonsense economy.

01:52:35.000 And we can't have infinite growth.

01:52:36.000 But all the powers that be want to do is make money on the way up and maximize profit on the way down.

01:52:41.000 So they're just trying to money grab right now and just smash up as much as possible.

01:52:45.000 It is more profitable to destroy things now than it is to save them. 0.74

01:52:48.000 And the NDAA is basically just like, we need to keep fucking peace in the streets while we're stealing money. 0.77

01:52:55.000 Or scare the people into, yes, you know. 0.82

01:52:57.000 We just have crazy laws so we can just lock people up.

01:53:00.000 You know, who's locking people up, though? 0.57

01:53:02.000 That's where it gets really ridiculous. 0.98

01:53:04.000 At one point in time, someone has to realize that this The structure of this monarchy, this fucking kingship that's taken over the world, it only works if people are willing to take up guns. 0.99

01:53:17.000 It only works if the common folk are willing to push around everybody else. 0.98

01:53:20.000 I mean, that's the only way it works.

01:53:22.000 It can't really work if everybody goes, wait, what? 1.00

01:53:26.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:53:26.000 I mean, you need the cops. 1.00

01:53:29.000 A guy like you who steps out, and when you were a cop, and you saw this corruption, and you stepped away, you were a regular person. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Instead of identifying yourself with this organization that was obviously sick, you identified yourself with your morals and your character and your upbringing, and you said, fuck you, the CIA's selling drugs. 0.99

01:53:45.000 At some point in time, isn't that the real solution? 0.99

01:53:49.000 Is it everybody sort of realizes that they can't do that?

01:53:52.000 No, but this is like one of the coolest things that's happened to me in...

01:53:55.000 In 30 years.

01:53:57.000 Cooler than Fox Magic?

01:53:59.000 Yeah.

01:54:02.000 You know who killed Tupac, don't you?

01:54:04.000 Yeah, the cops did.

01:54:05.000 You ever see that, man?

01:54:07.000 Do you want to talk about corruption?

01:54:09.000 Terrifying story.

01:54:10.000 Don't even joke around it.

01:54:11.000 We can do that all night.

01:54:12.000 The Rampart Division.

01:54:15.000 This is better than Fox Magic.

01:54:18.000 It's impossible.

01:54:20.000 Fox Mask makes you invisible.

01:54:22.000 What could be better than that?

01:54:23.000 It's like one of the key, if you could have a superpower, what would you take?

01:54:26.000 Yeah, but see, Native American wisdom has taught me that if I am the wind, it does not matter if people see me.

01:54:32.000 It only matters that the leaves blow when I exhale.

01:54:37.000 Oh, that sounds trippy. 1.00

01:54:39.000 That sounds like, again, more shit you would tell the hippie chicks. 1.00

01:54:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:43.000 So, anyway, better.

01:54:44.000 God, you guys are going to beat me up with this.

01:54:46.000 It's a Bette Midler song, bro.

01:54:47.000 He's quoted a Bette Midler song on my podcast.

01:54:50.000 The whole time he's been quoting Bette Midler songs.

01:54:52.000 Oh, my God.

01:54:53.000 And it's just a big joke.

01:54:54.000 Well, you remember when Herman Cain started quoting Pokemon?

01:54:56.000 I was like, this might be a fake.

01:54:59.000 This guy might not be real.

01:55:00.000 Do you think Herman Cain was really...

01:55:01.000 Was he just in a position as a spoiler?

01:55:04.000 Herman Cain was a hired sideshow.

01:55:06.000 Really? 0.97

01:55:08.000 I swear to God, I know that sounds ridiculous. 0.99

01:55:10.000 I know it sounds ridiculous, but when he started quoting Pokemon and using the fucking Grand Theft Auto tax program, you know, I was like, wait a minute, man. 0.98

01:55:18.000 They have to create all this drama to make you believe that there's a democracy at work out there. 0.90

01:55:22.000 So what do you think that was, where some dude is just a super successful businessman and they co-opted him, they got ahold of him.

01:55:28.000 I'm sure he got some great business deals to go through everything he went through and he's going to walk away.

01:55:33.000 He was never going to be president to begin with. 0.99

01:55:35.000 Seems like he was just fucking everybody, huh? 0.95

01:55:37.000 Anyway, can I tell you this thing that's better than Fox Magic? 0.95

01:55:40.000 Yes, please.

01:55:41.000 Sorry. 0.99

01:55:41.000 You're really fucking with me here. 0.99

01:55:42.000 This is a great podcast, man. 0.99

01:55:44.000 I'm enjoying this.

01:55:44.000 Thank you very much.

01:55:46.000 One of the coolest things that happened to me was after Oakland, when Scott Olson got shot in the head with a flight, right?

01:55:55.000 Army veteran.

01:55:56.000 I'm really close.

01:55:56.000 People don't know.

01:55:57.000 Elaborate on that story.

01:55:58.000 It's a horrible story.

01:56:00.000 During the Occupy Oakland demonstrations, late at night, Scott Olson was one of several guys that were out front.

01:56:09.000 He was a military veteran and the cops were firing 40 millimeter flight right projectiles out of M79 bloopers.

01:56:17.000 I've shot those.

01:56:17.000 They're little grenade launchers.

01:56:18.000 They're kind of fun.

01:56:20.000 And somebody shot him in the head.

01:56:21.000 It was accidental, okay?

01:56:23.000 But after his skull was fractured and he was on the ground, you see the cops lobbing CS canisters, gas canisters, right into the group of people.

01:56:32.000 And there was so much brutality.

01:56:34.000 And this was after watching the White Shirts in New York, you know, and Shamar Thomas hadn't come up yet.

01:56:40.000 I don't think he had yet.

01:56:42.000 But we went to Occupy Santa Rosa and it was like, which is a town close to where I live.

01:56:48.000 It's a town of about, we had the highest per capita turnout in the country.

01:56:52.000 So we had like 3,000 people turnout.

01:56:54.000 But we were gonna put up camps and the chief of police had said, we will use any means necessary to tear down the camp. 0.99

01:56:59.000 Now what happened was, I went there and I said, they're gonna fuck these people. 0.99

01:57:02.000 I'm putting my body in front of them. 0.99

01:57:04.000 I took an oath, and when I got there, there were all these veterans.

01:57:08.000 There were Vietnam veterans, and there were Gulf One veterans, and there was one active duty guy, there was an Army Ranger Special Forces medic, and we had all showed up there with all, we all had the same idea.

01:57:21.000 We are gonna get in front of the cops so that when they start shooting the gas, they're gonna hit us, and if they wanna beat on somebody, let them beat on us, because we know that we can take that without throwing back.

01:57:34.000 Jesus Christ.

01:57:36.000 And this groundswell from the veterans community, the honorable warriors, the Shamar Thomases.

01:57:42.000 You know, what is so sad, and I've had a really close connection over the years from doing investigating on murders of a lot of Army Special Ops personnel.

01:57:54.000 For all these years, we have had really good men go off to war.

01:58:00.000 And never in my lifetime has there been an honorable war.

01:58:03.000 Vietnam, none of it was honorable. 1.00

01:58:05.000 It was all crooked bullshit. 0.98

01:58:06.000 But there are guys who went out there who did the deed, who put their lives on the line, got their combat infantry back, whatever, and didn't commit atrocities in really... 0.98

01:58:17.000 Horrible wars and came home and they've never been able to shine like that. 0.98

01:58:21.000 And when Shamar Thomas did that, Shamar Thomas was speaking for everybody who'd been to war in this country's military, who served honorably, who didn't commit atrocities in wars that we all know were totally fucked up, fraudulent, and lying.

01:58:36.000 The best teacher, the most powerful teacher I've ever had, I gave a talk at Portland State University right after 9-11. 0.75

01:58:44.000 It became my video, Truth and Lies of 9-11.

01:58:48.000 And a Native American showed up, knocked on my hotel room door. 0.59

01:58:51.000 He's about five foot four.

01:58:53.000 And his name was Skip Mayhawk.

01:58:55.000 And what a presence.

01:58:57.000 You know, have you ever looked a fighter in the eye and there's just some guy's got a look in the eye.

01:59:01.000 Sure. 1.00

01:59:02.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:59:03.000 Most of them. 1.00

01:59:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:04.000 And so here's this guy.

01:59:06.000 I look and he's down here, you know.

01:59:08.000 Hi, I'm Skip Mayhuck.

01:59:09.000 I'm here to be your cameraman, second cameraman tonight.

01:59:11.000 I didn't know, he volunteered, he showed up.

01:59:13.000 It turns out Skip had served with 101st Airborne in the Oshawa Valley in 1968, some of the bloodiest battles of the war.

01:59:21.000 The Oshawa is legendary.

01:59:23.000 And Skip was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, the Medal of Honor, and he refused it because he was fighting in an unjust war.

01:59:32.000 Wow.

01:59:33.000 And he fought beside Russell Means at Wounded Knee.

01:59:37.000 And he showed up to be my cameraman, and he became a teacher for me.

01:59:41.000 And he was one of the great warrior teachers that I've had who taught me the power of honor and why it's important to fight in an honorable war.

01:59:49.000 Not only to die your honorable death or, you know, to fight honorably, but to fight in an honorable war.

01:59:54.000 That's what a warrior needs.

01:59:56.000 And I think Shamar Thomas really embodies that.

02:00:00.000 And he was just a snapshot.

02:00:02.000 He's not a fluke.

02:00:03.000 There's lots of Shamar Thomases out there.

02:00:05.000 Shamar Thomas is the guy who yelled at the New York Police Department, you know, there's no honor in this.

02:00:09.000 How do you sleep at night?

02:00:11.000 Yeah, a lot of people probably don't know what you're talking about, but there's a video out there of this guy who's a big dude, and he's got all these medals on, and he's, like, pointing to the medals, like, these aren't lies, you know? 0.95

02:00:20.000 And he's, like, explaining all the shit that he's been through.

02:00:23.000 And he's like, this is not a war zone. 0.98

02:00:24.000 These are your people.

02:00:25.000 Like, how do you sleep at night?

02:00:26.000 And it's really powerful.

02:00:28.000 There is no honor in this.

02:00:29.000 There is no honor in this.

02:00:31.000 And they can't say nothing.

02:00:32.000 They just sit there and they eat it.

02:00:34.000 It's a crazy moment.

02:00:35.000 That's the power of honor.

02:00:37.000 And again, I'm not the only one who's done this.

02:00:41.000 There's a lot of us out here. 0.99

02:00:42.000 We're all standing up now because the criminality and the bullshit in Washington and Wall Street is just so out of control. 0.98

02:00:49.000 Is there a way to turn it around? 0.99

02:00:51.000 Is there a way to somehow or another steer this back to the light?

02:00:54.000 Is there a way to make this culture wake up and snap itself out of it before we hit the wall?

02:01:01.000 Well, a lot of people are snapping out and waking up right now.

02:01:07.000 A lot of people are, and it's happening in very big numbers.

02:01:13.000 In terms of saving the system, no.

02:01:16.000 We gotta get Obama high.

02:01:17.000 That's what we gotta do. 0.76

02:01:18.000 We gotta kidnap him. 0.90

02:01:19.000 Hire. 0.97

02:01:20.000 Hire.

02:01:21.000 Can't say that.

02:01:22.000 You can't even say that.

02:01:22.000 There's the guy yelling.

02:01:23.000 That was a total joke.

02:01:25.000 Here's the guy who was yelling.

02:01:26.000 That's Shamar.

02:01:27.000 That's Shamar.

02:01:28.000 Yeah.

02:01:28.000 He was a guest on my radio show.

02:01:30.000 Really cool dude.

02:01:31.000 If you choose to get high with one person, wouldn't it be Barack Obama? 0.99

02:01:35.000 You wouldn't want to sit down with that guy and find out what the fuck is going on? 0.99

02:01:38.000 I mean, when you get him really blasted or you can't lie and just start asking him questions. 0.98

02:01:43.000 I don't think I'd want to know what would come out.

02:01:46.000 Really?

02:01:46.000 Yeah.

02:01:46.000 I think I'd be fascinated.

02:01:47.000 I would want to see.

02:01:49.000 You would choose him first?

02:01:50.000 What's that?

02:01:50.000 You would choose him first?

02:01:51.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:01:52.000 Oh, man.

02:01:52.000 For sure.

02:01:53.000 He's so close to my age.

02:01:55.000 I'm fascinated. 0.99

02:01:56.000 I always looked at these president guys as being these old, evil men with hearts of diamonds, and they fucking have blood that's coal. 1.00

02:02:06.000 Just evil, nasty, evil people who have gotten to a position where they can choose to start these wars. 0.99

02:02:12.000 But then I look at a guy like Barack Obama, and I was like, well, he was probably close to my age. 0.60

02:02:16.000 When I was 10, he was probably 14 or something.

02:02:19.000 That's real close.

02:02:20.000 That guy grew up really recently.

02:02:22.000 He grew up with the internet.

02:02:24.000 What's going on with him?

02:02:25.000 How are they able to do this to him?

02:02:28.000 That's incredible.

02:02:29.000 He's one of us.

02:02:30.000 Well, no.

02:02:32.000 He ain't one of us.

02:02:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:02:32.000 In my perception as a fool.

02:02:35.000 He's not one of us. 1.00

02:02:36.000 He's a...

02:02:37.000 This is a government of the banks, by the banks, and for the banks.

02:02:41.000 Barack Obama's presidential decisions, especially since 2008, all he has done was to make us pay for all of the Wall Street crime. 0.95

02:02:50.000 They have taken all that debt, all the money they printed, the derivatives, and the bailout shit, and they put it on our backs. 0.90

02:02:58.000 And that's what's happening around the world. 0.98

02:03:00.000 In Greece, the banks now run.

02:03:03.000 There's a banker in charge of Greece.

02:03:04.000 There's a banker in charge of Italy.

02:03:06.000 And Barack Obama's done the same thing to us and all that debt that belonged to Wall Street is now on our backs.

02:03:12.000 Have you seen the video where Barack Obama says that he believes he's the fourth best president?

02:03:18.000 Have you seen it?

02:03:19.000 Oh, God, no.

02:03:20.000 Have you seen it, Brian?

02:03:21.000 Brian, find it on YouTube and watch it, because it's hilarious.

02:03:23.000 He talks about, you know, different presidents that have accomplished more, and he only lists, like, three that he thinks have accomplished more than they have.

02:03:31.000 There was a guy named Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who was a Russian writer, a very great Russian writer.

02:03:37.000 He lived 30 years in a gulag prison camp, right?

02:03:40.000 And he came up with a great line.

02:03:42.000 He said, Men, in order to do evil, must first believe that what they are doing is good.

02:03:47.000 Wow.

02:03:47.000 That's incredible.

02:03:48.000 So, you convince yourself that we're the elite, we're the rich, we have the only way to manage things, and they delude themselves.

02:04:00.000 That's the fetid, stale nature of a democracy that has not been ventilated and breathed and aired out for a long time.

02:04:11.000 I don't want to save this system at all, as far as I'm concerned.

02:04:14.000 And especially with the end of energy, not the end of, with peak oil and collapse, the United States can't possibly hold together anyway.

02:04:22.000 So when peak oil happens and gas becomes extremely expensive and probably impossible to get, then what happens?

02:04:30.000 We branch off into little communities and make our own medicine with solar power.

02:04:35.000 I mean, what are we going to do?

02:04:36.000 Those of us who are smart enough to start moving in that direction ahead of time, yes.

02:04:41.000 But peak oil has already happened.

02:04:43.000 And there are, in this country, with all of the tens and hundreds of millions of people who are unemployed or below the poverty line, people who can't afford gas at any price right now.

02:04:53.000 So it's going to slowly keep creeping.

02:04:55.000 Yeah.

02:04:55.000 And then really, when we think about it, the real big jump was the end of the Bush administration, which was only a few years ago.

02:05:01.000 That's nothing.

02:05:01.000 A blink of the eye.

02:05:03.000 You know?

02:05:03.000 Well, they knew it was coming.

02:05:05.000 To think of how bad it could be three years from now.

02:05:09.000 Thank you.

02:05:09.000 Well, that's good because, again, all we can claim here is progress rather than perfection.

02:05:15.000 There's not ready and then ready.

02:05:16.000 You know, you're not in a binary state.

02:05:18.000 I know we talked about them earlier, but do you subscribe to the Mayans' ideas?

02:05:22.000 Do you think they were on to something?

02:05:23.000 I'm amazed at the coincidence.

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:25.000 It's amazing, right?

02:05:26.000 I think there is.

02:05:27.000 I mean, everything else in this world we look at now is a lie.

02:05:30.000 Okay?

02:05:31.000 Come on.

02:05:31.000 It's a lie.

02:05:33.000 There's a recovery?

02:05:34.000 It's a lie.

02:05:35.000 We killed Osama Bin Laden?

02:05:37.000 It's a lie.

02:05:37.000 Iran was behind 9-11?

02:05:39.000 It's a lie.

02:05:40.000 Wall Street?

02:05:41.000 It's a lie.

02:05:42.000 Your pension fund?

02:05:42.000 It's a lie.

02:05:46.000 All that stuff just needs to be seen what it is and disengage from it.

02:05:51.000 Weapons of mass destruction.

02:05:54.000 It's codependent to want to go in and fix that system.

02:05:57.000 Picture somebody wanting to go to the Nazis in 1938 and say, okay, let's have a campaign to organize to teach the Nazis that the Jews are really good people. 0.99

02:06:07.000 The smart people were just saying, I'm getting the fuck out of Europe. 0.99

02:06:10.000 The Jews, the smart Jews, were getting out of the way. 0.99

02:06:12.000 The world knew what was coming with that.

02:06:15.000 And it's not mentally sound to try and fix this system.

02:06:19.000 This system needs to be redone.

02:06:21.000 Ron Paul's got a good idea.

02:06:22.000 And the Fed.

02:06:24.000 Until you change the way money works, you change nothing.

02:06:26.000 That's the big start.

02:06:27.000 Then you've got to end fractional reserve banking, compound interest, and fiat currency.

02:06:32.000 What's the solution?

02:06:34.000 I mean, you have to do something to put something else in place.

02:06:36.000 What are you doing, bro?

02:06:37.000 Here's the Obama thing.

02:06:39.000 I hope I'm ready for this.

02:06:40.000 Where do I look here?

02:06:42.000 Straight ahead.

02:06:43.000 Legislative.

02:06:43.000 Oh, there he is.

02:06:46.000 A list of accomplishments.

02:06:48.000 As you said yourself, Steve, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president, with the possible exceptions of Johnson, FDR, and Lincoln, but just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history. 0.91

02:07:07.000 Yeah, you raped the world. 0.68

02:07:08.000 Congratulations. 1.00

02:07:09.000 Good job.

02:07:10.000 Way to go, dude.

02:07:11.000 He got the Nobel Prize and then he sent 30,000 more people out to Afghanistan. 0.90

02:07:15.000 He's bloody.

02:07:16.000 With guns and tanks. 0.98

02:07:18.000 He's bloodier than Jamie and Bush.

02:07:20.000 It's amazing.

02:07:20.000 It's amazing that he could actually say that, though.

02:07:22.000 What legislation? 0.97

02:07:24.000 Oh, you mean, you know, the ability to just start arresting people for no fucking reason? 0.87

02:07:28.000 What is it exactly that got accomplished? 0.95

02:07:30.000 Did I miss something?

02:07:31.000 Yeah.

02:07:32.000 What are these great legislation achievements?

02:07:35.000 Do you know what he's talking about?

02:07:36.000 No. 1.00

02:07:37.000 What the fuck could he be talking about? 1.00

02:07:38.000 That's the Orwellian nature of this absolute crap we see on the mainstream airwaves. 1.00

02:07:43.000 It's probably horseshoe this whole time. 0.99

02:07:45.000 It's like some president thing.

02:07:46.000 Like, ugh.

02:07:46.000 Yeah.

02:07:47.000 What?

02:07:47.000 Never mind.

02:07:49.000 What did I tell you, dude? 1.00

02:07:50.000 I don't know what the fuck you just said, Brian. 1.00

02:07:53.000 Never mind. 1.00

02:07:53.000 It's okay. 1.00

02:07:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:55.000 He's a silly boy. 0.99

02:07:56.000 So, you know, all that stuff, it just needs to stop. 1.00

02:08:02.000 So, like I said, you predicted a lot of shit. 0.99

02:08:06.000 You've been at the, from, I mean, I forget when it was, when you started predicting that our society was slowly going to collapse. 0.99

02:08:14.000 It was like way before anybody else was ever doing it.

02:08:16.000 2001 was when I first started.

02:08:18.000 What do you think is going to be the end point?

02:08:20.000 Is it going to be we find groups of people and we hang out together and grow food?

02:08:27.000 I'm probably more grateful for that question, Joe, than any other one because that's what we're fighting about now.

02:08:34.000 When we want to get Ron Paul elected, that's what we're fighting about.

02:08:37.000 It stops when the people wake up to the point and says, This has got to stop.

02:08:43.000 So if you can get a guy like Ron Paul in office, you think we can kind of smooth everything out and still have cars?

02:08:50.000 We will still have cars even if we have...

02:08:53.000 Biodiesel run on...

02:08:54.000 Even if we have, you know...

02:08:58.000 Some other criminal in the White House, you know, they're going to become harder to find.

02:09:05.000 But we're fighting to determine how far this system is going to run everything down before we put our foot down and say this has got to change.

02:09:16.000 That's what's going to make the difference because this system I wrote an essay called Global Corp some years ago, and in it I said, the way the system works, infinite growth, mergers and everything now, the last CFO of the last corporation in the world, Global Corp, when the world is in total ruins, when four, five, six billion people are dead, when one guy has acquired all the ones and zeros of wealth, and that company goes bankrupt, he's going to say, hooray, we did it.

02:09:43.000 That's where that ends until and unless we stop it, human beings.

02:09:49.000 Stop it.

02:09:50.000 And the consciousness is here that understands that the infinite growth economic paradigm will kill us in order to make a profit.

02:09:58.000 How much time do we have?

02:10:00.000 Well, if there's an attack launched on Iran within the next week or two or before the January 3rd Iowa caucuses and China comes in to back up Iran and the Russians have said they will back up Iran and nuclear weapons are exchanged, it could be over in two weeks. 0.98

02:10:17.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

02:10:18.000 I got shit to do, dude. 1.00

02:10:19.000 I have a new special to make. 0.99

02:10:21.000 I'm gonna release it like Louis C.K. Look, this is very frightening stuff.

02:10:27.000 You think this is unavoidable?

02:10:28.000 You think that a nuclear war with Iran is just...

02:10:31.000 No, I don't. 0.94

02:10:32.000 And I'm seeing very strong signs that the United States is getting bitch-slapped around the world right now. 0.82

02:10:38.000 Since we killed 24 Pakistani troops, ISAF, Hilos killed 24-pack soldiers, all the supplies going into the NATO forces in Afghanistan have been cut off through Pakistan. 0.96

02:10:50.000 How ridiculous was the asking for the drone back from Iran?

02:10:53.000 Did that make you feel like it's a work of fiction when you saw that? 0.52

02:10:57.000 Fubar.

02:10:58.000 It's just Fubar.

02:10:59.000 It's just nuts.

02:11:00.000 They even asked him to go on TV and say that we asked for it back.

02:11:03.000 They told Obama to do that.

02:11:05.000 It's almost like they're making him out to be a buffoon towards his last couple of years.

02:11:08.000 This is your script.

02:11:09.000 This is what I want you to do.

02:11:10.000 I want you to go out there and when they say about the drone, just say we asked for it back. 0.99

02:11:14.000 He's probably like, what the fuck am I going to say? 0.98

02:11:16.000 Really? 0.99

02:11:17.000 It's like a sitcom actor that doesn't want to be humiliated. 1.00

02:11:19.000 This is a bullshit line. 1.00

02:11:21.000 This is a bullshit line. 1.00

02:11:23.000 Expect it to be a lot more nonsensical all the way from here on out. 1.00

02:11:27.000 And the only way to avoid this is to have a guy like Ron Paul in office?

02:11:30.000 It's the only way to avoid going to war with Iran? 0.62

02:11:32.000 No.

02:11:32.000 How do we avoid it?

02:11:33.000 Because the Occupy movement is demonstrating that.

02:11:35.000 You've had 100,000 people out in the streets of Moscow.

02:11:39.000 There's an Occupy-related, Occupy-inspired revolt in the village of Wukan in southern China.

02:11:43.000 Which has made the Chinese Communist government back down.

02:11:48.000 And again, it's not communist versus capitalist.

02:11:50.000 It's all money and banks and growth and all that stuff.

02:11:52.000 And this is a growing wave of consciousness that's magic.

02:11:56.000 And that's why there's a lot of days when I walk around lately and I see things happen and I'm just giggling.

02:12:02.000 So you love this.

02:12:03.000 This is fun for you.

02:12:04.000 Well, first of all, you've been predicting it for a long time, so while it's happening, you're like, see? 0.98

02:12:12.000 I fucking told you. 0.97

02:12:13.000 There's a lot of that, right? 1.00

02:12:14.000 But there's also, you're happy to see the system fall apart, not because you want people to die, but because it's a fucked up system that doesn't work, and it needs to die like anything that doesn't work. 0.99

02:12:22.000 Let me make it very clear. 0.99

02:12:23.000 I'm doing everything I possibly can to accelerate the breakdown of the United States government and the economy and the banking system and everything else. 0.99

02:12:31.000 Now, under the Patriot Act, are you allowed to say shit like that? 0.99

02:12:34.000 Can't that be interpreted as you're a threat? 0.98

02:12:38.000 Only God determines what I'm allowed to say, and nobody else has the right to do that.

02:12:42.000 And isn't it supposed to be enemies both foreign and domestic?

02:12:45.000 Yes.

02:12:46.000 Who forgot that?

02:12:47.000 How come everybody forgot that?

02:12:48.000 Yeah.

02:12:48.000 Foreign and domestic.

02:12:50.000 That's the beauty of all these veterans showing up.

02:12:53.000 Captain Ray Lewis, the Philadelphia police captain, who showed up in his uniform and got arrested at Zuccotti.

02:13:01.000 We're stepping up by the thousands all over the country, and we're making ourselves known throughout the movement.

02:13:07.000 And what we're discovering is there's lots of us out here, and we are not going to let this go down.

02:13:12.000 And if the...

02:13:14.000 Detention provisions are passed at NDAA, and they're employed.

02:13:18.000 You're going to see massive breakdowns because there's going to be soldiers in this country that won't fight.

02:13:23.000 There's going to be cops that will stand with the people.

02:13:25.000 Five county sheriffs in Northern California have united, and county sheriffs are the most powerful dudes in the country.

02:13:31.000 They can tell the president to stay out of the county legally, and the president can't say jack about it.

02:13:37.000 Isn't that changed?

02:13:38.000 They probably just changed that with the NDAA. They probably just changed that with something.

02:13:42.000 Some sneaky bill they stuck through.

02:13:44.000 It doesn't matter.

02:13:45.000 Once they bring the military in.

02:13:47.000 It's illegal to grow food.

02:13:48.000 You guys said to plant your own food.

02:13:49.000 Did you know that one bill passed that makes it illegal for you to grow your own food?

02:13:54.000 Well, no.

02:13:55.000 There are some laws that restrict some people's ability in some places to grow food.

02:14:01.000 Grow food?

02:14:01.000 Yeah, if a dude farts a lot, you can't be growing broccoli in your backyard.

02:14:05.000 Yeah, but the real beasts are the FDA and so forth that come in and say you can't drink raw milk, which is awesome.

02:14:10.000 I love raw milk.

02:14:11.000 Raw milk is delicious.

02:14:11.000 Did they stop that?

02:14:12.000 They used to get it at Whole Foods.

02:14:14.000 They don't have it anymore.

02:14:16.000 It's spotty around the country.

02:14:17.000 Do you have to go to the farm?

02:14:20.000 Senate Bill S-510.

02:14:21.000 Senate Bill S-510.

02:14:22.000 What does it actually say?

02:14:24.000 What is the actual language?

02:14:25.000 It's pretty long.

02:14:27.000 It was not enacted.

02:14:28.000 It was not passed.

02:14:30.000 It wasn't passed?

02:14:30.000 No.

02:14:31.000 There was a senator from Montana who introduced an amendment to that bill that removed that clause from there.

02:14:37.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

02:14:38.000 Could you imagine what kind of an asshole you have to be to say you're not allowed to grow tomatoes? 1.00

02:14:43.000 I think we've already fixed all the problems in the world. 1.00

02:14:47.000 Let's concentrate on people growing food. 0.99

02:14:49.000 Think about all the shit that we have problems with. 1.00

02:14:51.000 Prison overpopulation, war on drugs, all the different issues that we have to deal with, pollution of the environment, and someone chose to concentrate on people growing fucking food. 0.99

02:14:59.000 But our whole civilization now is predicated with corporate control, the banking control, on us not being independent, not being able to function outside of a system that they control, that the giant agribiz corporations, Monsanto and Cargill control.

02:15:15.000 How scary is Monsanto? 0.76

02:15:16.000 Monsanto is crazy. 0.98

02:15:17.000 That's terrifying.

02:15:18.000 Did you know that Monsanto was one of the companies that was looking into buying Blackwater when Blackwater was being?

02:15:23.000 I believe that.

02:15:24.000 Do you believe that?

02:15:25.000 Yeah.

02:15:25.000 Yeah, they can't tell who bought a controlling steak.

02:15:28.000 They couldn't tell if it was one of the people that owns Monsanto because there's a lot of crazy paperwork you've got to go through.

02:15:34.000 But the idea that that was even thought of, that the country, or a company rather, that controls food growth in hundreds of countries, and not hundreds, but A lot of countries.

02:15:43.000 But not only does that, but it's been shown that politically they force their GMO foods on these countries that don't want it, can't afford it.

02:15:52.000 They have suicides all over the world where people can't keep up.

02:15:55.000 Farmers are committing suicide.

02:15:56.000 They can't grow their own food again.

02:15:58.000 They can't reuse seeds.

02:16:00.000 They can't make their own seeds.

02:16:02.000 Okay, so... 0.99

02:16:03.000 What's difficult to get about the concept that something like that is just pure fucking evil? 0.98

02:16:07.000 That's what it is. 0.98

02:16:09.000 Exactly.

02:16:09.000 The fact that that's not stopped.

02:16:11.000 You know, it's amazing that they want to talk about gay marriage in a time like this.

02:16:15.000 It's even disgust.

02:16:16.000 You know, that any of this nonsense that gets, well, you know, what about the debt?

02:16:20.000 We've got to push the debt back. 0.99

02:16:21.000 What the What the fuck about this? 0.98

02:16:22.000 What about everything? 0.99

02:16:23.000 What about the whole pile of it? 0.99

02:16:25.000 It's goddamn ridiculous. 0.99

02:16:26.000 They've designed seeds to suicide itself after one season. 1.00

02:16:29.000 That is so scary, man.

02:16:30.000 But we've had some stories on CollapseNet recently that shows that Monsanto's supposedly bulletproof seeds are producing mutations which Monsanto can't control.

02:16:39.000 Oh my god.

02:16:40.000 I mean, it's like...

02:16:41.000 There was one that was just released on...

02:16:43.000 Some major news source was talking about the connection between animals having tumors and them eating some corn that...

02:16:50.000 Genetically modified corn.

02:16:51.000 It's not for human consumption. 1.00

02:16:53.000 But it doesn't matter because you're fucking feeding it to animals. 0.99

02:16:56.000 Those animals might get eaten by people. 1.00

02:16:57.000 And you don't know what the fuck goes through. 1.00

02:16:59.000 They don't know. 0.99

02:17:00.000 They don't know what the reaction is of a human body eating 20 years of genetically modified beef because we haven't done it yet.

02:17:08.000 But now get that around the world, there are tens and hundreds of millions of people moving to relocalize, to grow organic food, that's what I'm doing, and to take control where we can.

02:17:21.000 And those are the faster campers.

02:17:22.000 Those are the ones who aren't going to get eaten by the bear.

02:17:24.000 What is going to be the big difference between after the collapse and now?

02:17:30.000 What is going to be most inconvenient about after the collapse?

02:17:34.000 Are we going to have crime issues?

02:17:36.000 Are we going to have roaming gangs?

02:17:38.000 That's going to be during the collapse.

02:17:39.000 During the collapse.

02:17:40.000 That's all what's coming.

02:17:42.000 That's what's here now.

02:17:43.000 And that's happening all the time.

02:17:44.000 We had the bloody riots all over England.

02:17:46.000 We had armored cars set on fire in Rome, the Arab Spring.

02:17:50.000 Right, but in general, you have a few things that are blipping up.

02:17:54.000 But if you look at the overall harmony of the earth at any given moment, most places are not in conflict, right?

02:18:00.000 Most places are just people going about their business, trying to live their life with these spotted atrocities popping up here and there.

02:18:06.000 If you look at it as an organism in conflict, it's not in as much conflict.

02:18:12.000 It's not like 100% conflict.

02:18:15.000 Direct correlation between that and population density.

02:18:18.000 Big cities are not sustainable.

02:18:20.000 And when you see things like Egypt, like these crazy beatings that they're doing, the protesters in Egypt now, and you see this battle to control Iraq, do you think that that was engineered?

02:18:31.000 That they knew that in a vacuum that these puppet governments they put in place would quickly fall apart?

02:18:36.000 No.

02:18:37.000 I really think the U.S. government was flamboozled and cocky because we built, and I have this in Rubicon, three mega bases there that were meant to be permanent installations.

02:18:48.000 And I mean some of the largest, most expensive military bases ever built.

02:18:52.000 We built an embassy compound larger than Vatican City.

02:18:56.000 It's going to house like 8,000 people.

02:18:59.000 We planned to be there forever.

02:19:01.000 So why are we getting out?

02:19:02.000 Is this too crazy?

02:19:03.000 This is the Roman Empire.

02:19:04.000 It's crumbling.

02:19:05.000 Jesus Christ.

02:19:06.000 This is the Roman Empire.

02:19:07.000 And the whole world can see that.

02:19:09.000 The world's starting to move much more closely into alignment with China. 0.87

02:19:14.000 And China is imploding also.

02:19:16.000 That's the other catch to this.

02:19:19.000 And the same thing is happening with money as it is with life and everything else, is that people are jumping to the next safest, and all they're doing is moving up one deck on the Titanic to a deck that hasn't gone underwater yet.

02:19:33.000 And hoping that their kids live to miss the next big wave. 0.98

02:19:38.000 That they get to stay alive and die before all the shit hits the fan again. 1.00

02:19:43.000 I mean, can it be held back? 1.00

02:19:44.000 Is it a wave?

02:19:45.000 Does it come and go?

02:19:46.000 Does it have to completely flatline and then rebuild?

02:19:50.000 It won't be flatline across the board.

02:19:52.000 When the Roman Empire collapsed, there were some small towns that survived its pockets, you know, of wisdom and, you know, where some civilization was held for a while.

02:20:00.000 That's the way this is going to play.

02:20:02.000 There are going to be places around the world that by virtue of climate, their orientation to permaculture, sustainable economies, and the skill sets they have that will fare better than other regions. 0.99

02:20:16.000 I think basically the people in the cities are fucked, and if you stay in the big city, you're gonna be fucked. 0.99

02:20:21.000 Yeah, there's no food here. 1.00

02:20:22.000 There's only a three-day food supply in Los Angeles.

02:20:24.000 I graduated from Venice High School.

02:20:26.000 I went to UCLA, you know, and there's only a three-day food supply in this city, and there's not enough fresh water here.

02:20:32.000 We steal the water from Northern California.

02:20:34.000 Las Vegas shouldn't even exist, and Phoenix is gonna go under.

02:20:37.000 I mean, those cities...

02:20:38.000 Well, I love the story of the Salton Sea.

02:20:40.000 This is one of my favorites.

02:20:41.000 I've watched several documentaries, read a bunch of things on it.

02:20:44.000 I've got a whole coffee table book at home of photos from the Salton Sea.

02:20:48.000 That's an amazing story in and of itself.

02:20:50.000 We just decided to get crazy and create a civilization out there in the middle of the desert.

02:20:55.000 That's what's going to happen to Vegas easily.

02:20:57.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.99

02:20:58.000 Well, they're going to keep Vegas alive as long as they can because this weekend it's Brock Lesnar versus Alistair Overeem, bitch! 1.00

02:21:04.000 Oh! 0.99

02:21:05.000 I mean, you could live on stripper milk for a couple days extra, I guess. 0.93

02:21:11.000 And you could kill small animals with their heels.

02:21:14.000 And if you know, use their heels like projectiles. 1.00

02:21:17.000 Listen, there's going to be some bizarre Darwinian evolutions and adaptations as this thing falls apart.

02:21:24.000 You going to make it through?

02:21:25.000 How much longer do you think it's going to be before everything?

02:21:28.000 Is it a 50-year process?

02:21:30.000 Is it a 100-year process?

02:21:31.000 Are we going to see this?

02:21:31.000 Am I going to be alive to see this new civilization emerge?

02:21:34.000 I'm seeing this happen much, much faster than I thought it would.

02:21:37.000 Especially with the deterioration of the quality of U.S. government and the legality or honorable nature of the U.S. government and the economic situation.

02:21:48.000 Does it disturb you when you see Obama looking confident and talking about his legacy as a president? 1.00

02:21:54.000 And disturb you to see, like, this unaware motherfucker. 1.00

02:21:57.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

02:21:58.000 Why are you sitting there calm and congratulatory, you know, about your administration and the accomplishments that you've achieved? 0.99

02:22:04.000 Do you not see that the fucking sky is falling? 0.99

02:22:07.000 Do you not see it? 1.00

02:22:08.000 Look at you sitting there.

02:22:09.000 You're sitting there like a demure gentleman.

02:22:11.000 I've been saying...

02:22:12.000 So calm and so accustomed to being in front of the camera.

02:22:16.000 I've been saying that since Bill Clinton was president.

02:22:17.000 I mean, it's like...

02:22:18.000 And everybody in Washington does the same thing. 0.98

02:22:21.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

02:22:23.000 You know? 0.82

02:22:24.000 That's why, again, why Ron Paul is so important.

02:22:26.000 Solar power, yes or no?

02:22:28.000 Should we get solar power?

02:22:29.000 If you can, get it.

02:22:31.000 It won't solve all the world's problems.

02:22:34.000 And we need to stop buying that trap that we have to solve the problem for the whole world before we take care of ourselves.

02:22:41.000 We need to take care of ourselves.

02:22:42.000 We need to take care of ourselves.

02:22:43.000 Put your own oxygen mask on first.

02:22:45.000 Yeah, it's not like we're rushing out to fix Liberia, right?

02:22:48.000 We know how bad it is over there.

02:22:50.000 We know how bad it is in Somalia.

02:22:51.000 We're not running over there to fix that.

02:22:53.000 No.

02:22:54.000 We take care of ourselves here first.

02:22:56.000 And those of us who work to build community, there's a great movement, Transition U.S. There's transition initiatives about 100 and...

02:23:03.000 11, I think, all over the country now, in cities all over the country, where people are forming communities.

02:23:10.000 They're growing food locally.

02:23:11.000 They're networking with each other.

02:23:13.000 They're working outside of the economic system.

02:23:15.000 They're learning skills that they're going to need, that we're all going to need at some point, to learn how to live with less power and things like that.

02:23:21.000 And this movement is, we have a directory on CollapseNet, the lighthouse directory, absolutely free.

02:23:27.000 1,600 hand-picked entries.

02:23:29.000 And you go in and you look around this directory and you realize that all over the world there's all kinds of people working really hard and have been for quite some time to prepare to transit, to live outside.

02:23:42.000 Of the infinite growth paradigm after peak oil.

02:23:45.000 And it can be done, but you have to do it in small groups. 0.99

02:23:48.000 But then you have to be worried about being raided by mad hordes of fucking scoundrels and zombies. 0.99

02:23:54.000 It depends upon where you are. 1.00

02:23:56.000 Zombie apocalypse.

02:23:57.000 It's real, right?

02:23:58.000 Most of the zombies I don't think will ever get out of the big cities because so many people are so out of touch.

02:24:03.000 So the big cities would just be like die-offs, giant die-offs, just like they were for the Mayans, right? 1.00

02:24:08.000 The Mayans left the giant temples behind, and when they discovered them hundreds of years later, they were covered in trees.

02:24:13.000 And there are people who have been putting a lot of time into thinking about how to defend what they have if people come and try to take it.

02:24:20.000 So, what do you think about the, I guess it was the ATF saying that they were going to stop people with medical marijuana prescriptions from buying new guns.

02:24:29.000 They weren't going to allow you if you get a prescription for medical marijuana to own a gun, which is hilarious.

02:24:35.000 I mean, I live in Sonoma County, which is a legal grow county.

02:24:40.000 So you don't have to get a...

02:24:42.000 I have a letter because I'm really bad.

02:24:45.000 My thumb socket was shattered.

02:24:47.000 I mean, the socket was in eight pieces and that's where all the nerves in the hand come together.

02:24:51.000 Oh, wow.

02:24:51.000 How'd that happen?

02:24:53.000 Horseback riding accident.

02:24:55.000 And I'm a horseman.

02:24:57.000 I've been a horseman a long time.

02:24:58.000 And that works for me.

02:25:00.000 But I don't grow because I own guns.

02:25:05.000 And see, that's a federal issue as opposed to the state issue.

02:25:10.000 But, you know, all that stuff...

02:25:12.000 But I don't even think it's a matter of growing.

02:25:13.000 I think you're not even allowed to have a license for it.

02:25:15.000 No, no.

02:25:16.000 Is that what it is?

02:25:17.000 They don't care.

02:25:18.000 So you can have a license, you just can't grow.

02:25:20.000 Is that what it is?

02:25:21.000 Well, or the feds would know that if I was growing and owned guns, which I obviously do, then they would come on some federal pretext.

02:25:30.000 How crazy is that that you could have a prescription for OxyContin, but you can't grow a plant?

02:25:35.000 That's amazing.

02:25:36.000 You could have a gun and have a prescription for oxys.

02:25:38.000 How absurd is it to make a plant that God created illegal to begin with?

02:25:42.000 It's amazing.

02:25:43.000 Not only that, one that's killed nobody.

02:25:45.000 Yeah.

02:25:45.000 You know?

02:25:46.000 Nobody.

02:25:46.000 I mean, maybe some people have had a few wacky ideas while they were high and it caused a few deaths.

02:25:50.000 But listen, that's just people with wacky ideas.

02:25:52.000 You can't blame pot for that.

02:25:54.000 It's like Bill Hicks' joke about a guy, young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped off a building.

02:25:58.000 What a tragedy. 1.00

02:25:59.000 He goes, what an idiot. 1.00

02:26:00.000 If he thought he could fly, why don't he test it off on the ground first? 1.00

02:26:03.000 Yeah.

02:26:03.000 You know?

02:26:04.000 No one told him to jump off the fucking roof. 0.99

02:26:06.000 You know, I was a narc, and I've seen bad drugs, but the worst drug that has ever been out there is angel dust. 1.00

02:26:12.000 I had to fight people on angel dust, and it was the most ridiculous. 1.00

02:26:15.000 It was stupid. 1.00

02:26:16.000 Buddy of mine got his finger bitten off when he was on angel dust. 1.00

02:26:19.000 He didn't even realize it until the next morning.

02:26:21.000 They have special purpose strength. 0.98

02:26:23.000 I'm the only guy in the history of LAPD to have been bitten in the left testicle. 0.98

02:26:27.000 Oh! 0.99

02:26:28.000 Snap, son!

02:26:29.000 Was it from the ShamWow guy?

02:26:31.000 Did it burst it?

02:26:32.000 No.

02:26:33.000 Imagine if it was, so it just really hurt real bad.

02:26:37.000 It was, yeah.

02:26:37.000 It was a little bitty 5'8 guy on Angel Dust and I met him.

02:26:41.000 Oh my God, on Angel Dust and he went for the balls? 0.88

02:26:44.000 Well, he was holding a 35-inch color console TV set above his head. 0.95

02:26:48.000 Oh my God.

02:26:48.000 And five of us controlled him, and he was strapped on a gurney.

02:26:51.000 You know the thick canvas straps on a gurney?

02:26:53.000 Right.

02:26:54.000 He broke the canvas strap over his leg, gave himself a compound fracture.

02:26:57.000 Oh my God.

02:26:57.000 And everybody went back to his leg, and I was at the head, and he just went.

02:27:01.000 Oh, and he spit your balls. 1.00

02:27:03.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:27:03.000 Did you stomp him out? 1.00

02:27:05.000 Is your ball okay?

02:27:06.000 Yeah, it's fine.

02:27:06.000 Good for you.

02:27:08.000 Yeah, you've got to stomp that dude out. 1.00

02:27:09.000 It's worked fine all these years since. 1.00

02:27:10.000 Guy biting your balls, you've got to stomp him unconscious. 1.00

02:27:12.000 My nickname was Inspector Cluzo. 1.00

02:27:14.000 You've got to go pride rules on that dude. 1.00

02:27:17.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:27:18.000 What's the most fucked up thing you ever saw while you were working as a cop? 1.00

02:27:23.000 Probably a homicide. 0.99

02:27:27.000 I was a training officer.

02:27:29.000 I was a two-striper, P3 here in LA. And I was working at Elkar on a Sunday in the south end of Wilshire.

02:27:34.000 I worked in the jungle.

02:27:36.000 That's where I came up as a cop.

02:27:37.000 And it was a homicide.

02:27:39.000 And the RA unit had gone there and opened the door.

02:27:41.000 And this guy had been dead for three days.

02:27:43.000 Every window in the house closed.

02:27:45.000 And the heat was on to 90. And the inside of the windows were covered with maggots.

02:27:50.000 And I was the first officer on the scene.

02:27:54.000 And it was a Sunday. 0.98

02:27:55.000 And I had to sit with this stinker. 0.99

02:27:57.000 For five hours. 0.99

02:27:58.000 Inside?

02:27:59.000 Yeah, I was the crime scene.

02:28:00.000 I had to protect the crime scene.

02:28:02.000 Okay, so when you protect the crime scene, do you have to be on top of the body?

02:28:04.000 How close do you have to be?

02:28:05.000 You have to lay on top of it.

02:28:06.000 You have to see it within your...

02:28:07.000 No, I had control of the premises.

02:28:09.000 I was standing right at the front door, but the house was...

02:28:12.000 I had to keep the door open.

02:28:15.000 And I was stuck with that for about five hours.

02:28:18.000 It was only three days?

02:28:19.000 And it got that bad in three days?

02:28:20.000 Oh, with the heat, yeah.

02:28:21.000 It was the summer?

02:28:23.000 Yeah.

02:28:24.000 So somebody just decided to do that to accelerate the deterioration process?

02:28:27.000 Yeah, who knows?

02:28:29.000 The guy was dead on the floor and he had a marble lamp base embedded in his skull. 1.00

02:28:33.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:28:33.000 So he's on the floor flat and the lamp is sticking up like this. 0.99

02:28:36.000 Oh, my God.

02:28:37.000 So I'm stuck with this guy and I was talking to him for three or four hours until...

02:28:41.000 Embedded in his skull.

02:28:42.000 Yeah.

02:28:42.000 Who killed him?

02:28:43.000 Did you ever find out?

02:28:44.000 A lover. 0.99

02:28:45.000 It was a homosexual killing. 1.00

02:28:47.000 Holla! 1.00

02:28:48.000 Yeah.

02:28:48.000 Look at that.

02:28:49.000 Dude.

02:28:50.000 That's the best kind.

02:28:51.000 It's safety and gayness. 0.92

02:28:53.000 No. 0.58

02:28:54.000 Safety and gayness. 1.00

02:28:55.000 It's a dude looking to kill you if you fuck other dudes. 1.00

02:28:58.000 Yeah, so that's one that really stands out. 1.00

02:29:01.000 I was in two shootings and a lot of fights.

02:29:05.000 Two shootings where you got shot at?

02:29:07.000 No.

02:29:07.000 First shooting was a guy trying to run me down, chasing me across the street with a car.

02:29:12.000 I mean, wrong side of the street.

02:29:14.000 Oh, my God.

02:29:15.000 And we were using Smith& Wesson.38s with 158 grain lead ball ammo.

02:29:20.000 My...

02:29:21.000 Terrible bullet.

02:29:22.000 It's soft lead.

02:29:23.000 It ricocheted and bounced off the guy's windshield.

02:29:25.000 Oh my god.

02:29:26.000 Second shooting was a drug dealer sick two attack dogs on my partner.

02:29:30.000 Oh. 0.96

02:29:30.000 And I killed the dogs. 0.96

02:29:32.000 Jesus Christ. 0.98

02:29:33.000 I didn't hesitate. 0.99

02:29:33.000 I just, you know, shot the shit out of the dogs. 0.99

02:29:36.000 My partner was grateful. 0.99

02:29:37.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 You've had a crazy life, dude.

02:29:41.000 Oh yeah, man.

02:29:42.000 I've done...

02:29:42.000 You never finished telling us about why you went to Venezuela.

02:29:46.000 Was that about the Pat Tillman story?

02:29:48.000 Yeah, that was...

02:29:50.000 Not only Pat Tillman, but I was...

02:29:53.000 You were one of the first people to break the fact that Pat Tillman was not killed in combat, was in fact killed by friendly fire.

02:30:00.000 Pat Tillman's mom, Dani, is what she goes by.

02:30:04.000 Mary Tillman.

02:30:06.000 He sent me an email trying to get in touch with my military affairs editor, Stan Goff.

02:30:12.000 Stan Goff is a retired Master Sergeant from U.S. Army Special Forces, Delta, who taught at West Point.

02:30:17.000 Stan's a great friend.

02:30:18.000 He's a brilliant writer, but one of the best writers.

02:30:20.000 A wonderful human being.

02:30:21.000 I love the guy.

02:30:22.000 And she was trying to get in touch with Stan from the wilderness, and we had done a lot of exposés.

02:30:27.000 And I went down to San Jose and met with Danny, and she gave me like 2,000 plus pages of Army records redacted, you know, with all the black spots.

02:30:37.000 And so I spent the night copying those, every one of them in perfect order.

02:30:43.000 Jesus Christ.

02:30:44.000 Two thousand.

02:30:45.000 How long did that take?

02:30:47.000 You do what you gotta do.

02:30:49.000 And so I copied them, took them back to our offices in Ashland, Oregon, and I flew Stan Goff out.

02:30:55.000 Stan did most of the work, but we totally broke down the Army story.

02:30:58.000 And we published a seven-part series.

02:31:01.000 Which was the basis of Henry Waxman's hearings in the House Governmental Affairs Committee over the cover-up.

02:31:07.000 And we got six senior officers, three general officers disciplined, and we forced Donald Rumsfeld to resign.

02:31:16.000 That's why Donald Rumsfeld resigned?

02:31:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:19.000 He resigned right when he was about to be called before the Tillman hearings.

02:31:23.000 Very suddenly.

02:31:24.000 So then he can't be called because he resigned?

02:31:27.000 Is that how he avoided it?

02:31:28.000 Isn't it amazing when they have weird rules like that, like Congress, like they can insider trade?

02:31:33.000 It's not illegal for Congress to be insider trading?

02:31:36.000 His resignation was the quid pro quo.

02:31:39.000 You know, he fell on his sword because it went to Bush.

02:31:42.000 It went to Cheney and to Bush.

02:31:44.000 And a lot of crimes were covered with that.

02:31:47.000 That was just a horrendous miscarriage.

02:31:48.000 Did you believe that it was an accident, or do you believe that they killed him on purpose because he was being very outspoken about his...

02:31:54.000 No.

02:31:55.000 What I believe is, and I think enough time has passed where I can say this, and again, I know a great many people in the service, and I know Special Forces, I know Rangers, and I know a lot of guys.

02:32:05.000 Pat Tillman had a very large ego.

02:32:07.000 He was very outspoken.

02:32:09.000 He had all the right ideas. 0.99

02:32:10.000 He knew the war was bullshit. 0.99

02:32:11.000 He was talking out about it. 1.00

02:32:13.000 But he was...

02:32:15.000 You think they fragged him?

02:32:16.000 I think that Pat Tillman became a Ranger before he became a soldier.

02:32:22.000 If that means anything to you.

02:32:23.000 It's like putting on a black belt before you earn the green.

02:32:26.000 And it was definitely a really foobar situation.

02:32:32.000 I don't think it was a planned premeditated murder. 0.98

02:32:37.000 But I do kind of suspect that his last words were, I'm Pat fucking Tillman! 0.99

02:32:43.000 And that's when a three-round burst hit him in the head. 0.98

02:32:47.000 And so, very sad, very tragic.

02:32:50.000 And the people shooting had this communication?

02:32:54.000 The guy that shot him was a sergeant in his own serial, shooting a three-round burst out of a saw.

02:33:00.000 Squad automatic weapon.

02:33:02.000 30 yards.

02:33:03.000 Of course he knew what was going on.

02:33:05.000 So you think he killed them?

02:33:06.000 Yeah.

02:33:07.000 Wow. 1.00

02:33:08.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:33:09.000 And you think he killed them just because he was too outspoken, too cocky, they didn't want him, they didn't like him, fuck you. 1.00

02:33:14.000 That's too much speculation. 1.00

02:33:15.000 Who knows, right?

02:33:16.000 But you think they killed them?

02:33:17.000 Yeah.

02:33:18.000 But not premeditated murder in that sense.

02:33:22.000 But what we do know is that what the Army did after that, they destroyed evidence, they burned his clothing, they immediately started the write-up for a silver star, and all of that criminality that followed rather than admit that he was killed in a friendly fire accident by his own people.

02:33:37.000 So were you the catalyst that forced them to admit that it was friendly fire?

02:33:41.000 Well, Stan...

02:33:43.000 Let's give the credit where it's due to Stan Goff.

02:33:45.000 I was the publisher and the editor. 0.93

02:33:47.000 In other words, I put my money and my balls on the line and gave Stan Goff everything he needed to write a seven-part series that tore the U.S. Army and Donald Rumsfeld, New Assholes.

02:33:57.000 So you published it in From the Wilderness? 0.76

02:34:00.000 It's still on the website to this day, all seven parts.

02:34:03.000 And when we were in, just ready to publish part five, my offices were burglarized.

02:34:08.000 All seven of my computers were smashed.

02:34:10.000 One of my employees turned out, a woman turned out to be trying to set me up on a sexual harassment charge. 1.00

02:34:15.000 There was a forged police report, falsified police report connected to this. 0.99

02:34:19.000 So you weren't trying to show her your balls? 0.99

02:34:21.000 No. 0.99

02:34:21.000 So the girl, when you think that they came to her and offered her something cool? 0.99

02:34:25.000 I think she was a plant. 0.99

02:34:27.000 You think she was a plant?

02:34:28.000 Yeah.

02:34:28.000 Well, you know, they have plants, man.

02:34:30.000 It sounds ridiculous, but there was a bunch of growers in Northern California, and they had a guy who would sit in on their meetings.

02:34:36.000 They would talk about growing for the community.

02:34:39.000 They found out the guy was a cop because he died in a motorcycle accident.

02:34:42.000 The guy died and then they said, that's our buddy. 1.00

02:34:45.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:34:45.000 And then it's a sergeant fuckface. 1.00

02:34:47.000 He's been spying on you the whole time. 0.99

02:34:49.000 Yeah, well he's embedded in a bunch of pot growers.

02:34:51.000 Like, you know, talk about a waste of resources.

02:34:54.000 Back to Venezuela.

02:34:56.000 When computers were smashed, my life was in danger and it was obvious.

02:35:00.000 The only thing that could have prevented us from finishing the Tillman series would have been my death.

02:35:07.000 I knew that they were coming after me, and so I went to Venezuela because Hugo Chavez had spent the last four years going like that to George Bush and Dick Cheney.

02:35:16.000 Did you actually hang out with Hugo Chavez?

02:35:18.000 No.

02:35:18.000 I never met him.

02:35:19.000 That was a really, really hard, difficult time.

02:35:22.000 I was poisoned down there.

02:35:23.000 Foreign Ministry knew I was in the country.

02:35:25.000 I asked for help, but they wouldn't touch me.

02:35:28.000 They didn't want to contaminate me.

02:35:30.000 What were you poisoned with?

02:35:33.000 Once was a drug called Burundanga, which is the root drug of scopolamine.

02:35:37.000 You can look it up.

02:35:38.000 There was another unknown etiology.

02:35:41.000 The Cuban doctors helped, but it was shutting down all of my glandular systems. 0.99

02:35:44.000 My adrenals were shutting down.

02:35:45.000 My lymphs were shutting down. 0.96

02:35:46.000 So you're ready to die. 0.78

02:35:47.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.93

02:35:48.000 So I came back.

02:35:49.000 How did they fix it?

02:35:50.000 I came back to the U.S. in, actually to Canada first.

02:35:54.000 I was so hoping you were going to say Fox Medicine.

02:35:57.000 I became invisible to the Russians.

02:35:59.000 Can you imagine if that's who it was?

02:36:00.000 I'm going to hear Fox Medicine forever.

02:36:02.000 I know I can get that.

02:36:02.000 Yeah, that's a meme right now, son.

02:36:04.000 Okay.

02:36:05.000 It's right out there with Giorgio Tsoukalos' hair.

02:36:08.000 But I was sick for probably a full year after I came back. 0.99

02:36:13.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:36:14.000 And I did holistic as much as I could, but I was hospitalized. 1.00

02:36:17.000 So you got to death's door, essentially.

02:36:19.000 And there was nothing they could do to save you. 0.99

02:36:21.000 Nobody knew what the fuck. 0.98

02:36:22.000 The Cuban doctor says, we don't know what's causing this. 0.99

02:36:24.000 Wow.

02:36:25.000 Wow, that's incredible.

02:36:26.000 That's so terrifying.

02:36:27.000 But we got Tillman out and Tillman was published and right after Donald Rumsfeld resigned I flew back to Canada then I came back to New York and stayed in Brooklyn for 14 months before I came back out to Venice.

02:36:39.000 So were you just moving around just because you were worried about someone finding where you were?

02:36:44.000 No, I, you know, Venezuela was a very specific purpose because, you know, I was, we had something huge with Tillman and I was firmly convinced they were going to kill me.

02:36:55.000 How long did you stay in Venezuela?

02:36:57.000 Four months.

02:36:59.000 And then I was basically out of it.

02:37:01.000 You know, I was done.

02:37:04.000 I came into an inheritance from my father that I had to fight for for three years, but in 2008. And I had this time, this first time in like 30 fucking years of fighting. 0.98

02:37:13.000 To breathe and catch my breath where I didn't have to worry about shit. 0.99

02:37:16.000 And so I kind of caught up with myself. 0.99

02:37:18.000 You know, it's like you stop long enough and then all the shit you did for like the last three catches up and you absorb it.

02:37:24.000 And then it was right about then that Cynthia McKinney, my friend, former black congresswoman from Georgia, Atlanta, very dear friend, she was the Green Party nominee, and she mentioned that she might like to have me be her running mate in 2008. I said, are you out of your mind? 0.98

02:37:43.000 But that's when I decided, well, we need a presidential energy policy.

02:37:47.000 This needs to get put into the peak oil and all the issues about this.

02:37:50.000 And that became my book, Confronting Collapse.

02:37:52.000 But then Chris Smith showed up from Blue Mark Films also in February of 2009. And said, hey, we'd kind of like to make a movie.

02:38:00.000 What's going on?

02:38:01.000 Very compelling movie.

02:38:02.000 I mean, think about it, man.

02:38:03.000 When was the last time you saw a movie where a dude just talks for 90 minutes? 0.94

02:38:07.000 Pretty fucking amazing that you can carry a movie like that. 0.97

02:38:10.000 And not just carry it, but it was really entertaining as well as fucking terrifying, you know? 0.99

02:38:16.000 Five shoots. 0.94

02:38:17.000 Each shoot was about 12 to 14 hours on set.

02:38:20.000 It was a full Hollywood shoot.

02:38:21.000 So you would just drink coffee, smoke cigarettes, and rant?

02:38:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:24.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:38:25.000 And they were feeding me the energy drinks and they'd have them. 0.99

02:38:27.000 It was so cold when we first started shooting.

02:38:29.000 You know, I'm in that blue suit.

02:38:30.000 Right.

02:38:31.000 I would be sitting there and I would just cut.

02:38:33.000 They'd bring in a blanket, put two butane heaters next to me until the color came back, and then pull it out and then they'd start shooting again.

02:38:39.000 I did that once when I was working for Dave Chappelle.

02:38:42.000 We did a Dave Chappelle show.

02:38:43.000 We filmed this Fear Factor parody with Tyrone Biggums, the crackhead that he used to do, the character.

02:38:49.000 He was on Fear Factor. 0.98

02:38:50.000 And we were doing this in a warehouse in Brooklyn, and it was fucking freezing, man. 0.97

02:38:54.000 And we all, like, huddled in front of these blast furnaces, and then I would have to get out there in a short-sleeved shirt, you know, or whatever the fuck I was wearing at the time, and be like I was on Fear Factor. 0.98

02:39:02.000 And we were freezing, man! 0.81

02:39:04.000 Let me tell you something about Joe Rogan.

02:39:06.000 That's not good, Brian.

02:39:07.000 That's a bad impression.

02:39:09.000 That's incredible, man.

02:39:11.000 So you've really... 1.00

02:39:13.000 You've seen a lot of crazy shit in your life. 0.99

02:39:15.000 From the L.A. police time to now to having a movie made about you just sitting there talking. 0.99

02:39:22.000 Like, what a crazy ride it's been from being a cop to this. 1.00

02:39:27.000 How the fuck... 0.99

02:39:28.000 How did you get to this point, man? 1.00

02:39:30.000 Is this your destiny?

02:39:31.000 Do you feel at a certain point in time obligated to disseminate this information?

02:39:36.000 Oh, this is the Three Stooges school of spiritual evolution.

02:39:40.000 I mean, it's like, I have no doubt that something larger than me tapped me and gave you the ball.

02:39:49.000 Yeah, and has kept me and sustained me and really kind of made jokes of any other plans that I had along the way for what I thought I wanted to do with my life.

02:39:58.000 And I'm really aware of that now and I'm living that, you know, spiritually connected to the fact that, you know, there is something really good out here.

02:40:06.000 There is something that's showing itself on this planet now.

02:40:10.000 That's just and that it's fair and that it's loving and it does have power.

02:40:14.000 I'm seeing crack.

02:40:14.000 It's like watching The Matrix, you know, when The Matrix starts and the little bits of light start coming through and, you know, and all these people out here in the world right now, they're living in a matrix that's falling apart exactly like it did in the movie.

02:40:28.000 It's like, oh, wait a minute, there's a big hole in that building over there and that's metaphorically what we're seeing happen all around us.

02:40:35.000 And there's a lot of people Who really get that they're in a matrix and are starting to move out, and there's others who are equally moved to try and go back and reinforce it.

02:40:44.000 And those are people making their own choices, I think, about which way they're going to go.

02:40:48.000 So you're not pessimistic.

02:40:50.000 You're optimistic.

02:40:51.000 A lot of people might think that you're a doom and gloom guy, but you're no.

02:40:54.000 You're no.

02:40:55.000 Let's be happy.

02:40:56.000 We're going to get rid of the bad system.

02:40:58.000 We're going to get rid of the bad guys.

02:40:59.000 There is a balancing that is taking place.

02:41:02.000 It's long overdue.

02:41:04.000 As Doc Holliday would say, it's a reckoning.

02:41:07.000 What an amazing time to be alive.

02:41:09.000 It really is.

02:41:10.000 It's an amazing time to be at the point in human history and the history of this planet and the history of, you know, It's all very strange that it's all taking place in our lifetime right now.

02:41:22.000 Really, it's an amazing moment.

02:41:24.000 I hope we get through it cool.

02:41:26.000 I hope we all keep our eyes open because even though these are the darkest of times, this is also an age of miracles and we need to just keep ourselves open to the expectation.

02:41:37.000 Good things can happen without our permission.

02:41:39.000 There's a lot of other wisdom out here.

02:41:42.000 There's a lot of light showing through.

02:41:44.000 And that's one of the reasons why Occupy just makes my toes wiggle.

02:41:47.000 There's never been a time in human history where the access to information is easier.

02:41:51.000 And when the access to information is easy, people can get the truth out.

02:41:54.000 When people can get the truth out and they can get ideas out and they can get...

02:41:57.000 An ideology of happiness and of sustaining your environment and of subsistence and of community and of love and friendship.

02:42:07.000 It's very possible to foster that and grow.

02:42:09.000 You know, we don't have to all be conquerors. 0.99

02:42:11.000 We don't have to be all cunts raping the world. 0.98

02:42:14.000 It doesn't have to be that way. 0.99

02:42:15.000 That's right.

02:42:15.000 Right?

02:42:15.000 We can just be human beings and enjoy our time here because it is in fact temporary and like all sort of patterns of behavior that people get stuck in whether it's fucking gambling or Excessive masturbation or whatever the fuck you get hooked on.

02:42:29.000 You can also get hooked on running the world. 0.99

02:42:31.000 You can also get hooked on fucking over the world. 1.00

02:42:33.000 So these people are sick. 1.00

02:42:34.000 Yes. 1.00

02:42:34.000 They're sick. 1.00

02:42:35.000 They need to wake up. 1.00

02:42:36.000 They need to pay attention to Michael Rupert, bitches! 1.00

02:42:39.000 Because he just dropped some science. 0.99

02:42:41.000 Thank you, sir.

02:42:42.000 That was awesome.

02:42:42.000 It was a great time, man.

02:42:44.000 That was one of my favorite podcasts ever. 0.99

02:42:45.000 You said some awesome shit. 0.99

02:42:47.000 Are we done already? 0.99

02:42:48.000 Yeah, man.

02:42:49.000 We've been doing it for two hours and 40 minutes.

02:42:51.000 I just got so into this. 0.98

02:42:53.000 Well, you could sit for 16 hours of the freezing fucking cold and belt out a movie, sir. 0.98

02:42:57.000 Five times. 0.99

02:42:59.000 Yeah, but thank you very much, man.

02:43:00.000 This was awesome.

02:43:01.000 Thank you.

02:43:01.000 Thank you to The Fleshlight for sponsoring the podcast.

02:43:03.000 Go to JoeRogan.net and click on the link for The Fleshlight, and you get 15% off the number one.

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02:43:11.000 That's O-N-N-I-T.com. 1.00

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02:43:51.000 Michael Rupert, you're the fucking man. 0.99

02:43:53.000 Thank you very much, sir. 0.99

02:43:54.000 I appreciate it greatly.

02:43:55.000 How can people follow you?

02:43:56.000 Do you have a Twitter?

02:43:57.000 You don't have a Twitter, do you?

02:43:57.000 We got everything, yeah, but you can find everything at CollapsNet.com.

02:44:02.000 CollapsNet.com.

02:44:02.000 What is your Twitter?

02:44:03.000 I want to follow you on Twitter.

02:44:04.000 Max, what is my Twitter?

02:44:05.000 CollapsNet.

02:44:06.000 CollapsNet.

02:44:07.000 What about Michael Rupert?

02:44:08.000 Was that taken?

02:44:10.000 Michael C. Rupert on Twitter.

02:44:11.000 Wouldn't that be better than CollapseNet?

02:44:13.000 So that way people can look you up.

02:44:14.000 Too late.

02:44:15.000 Somebody just janked it right now as we said that.

02:44:18.000 Some little hack circadian.

02:44:19.000 I got it!

02:44:20.000 Well, there's an actor named Michael Rupert and there's a photog named Michael Rupert. 0.52

02:44:25.000 That's why I used the C because they used to get people calling them up saying you're a crazy conspiracy theorist. 0.80

02:44:30.000 Hollow.

02:44:31.000 Conspiracy theory and it's a C. What are the odds?

02:44:34.000 I got a show this Friday at the Ice House here with some people I can't talk about.

02:44:39.000 But tickets are on sale right now.

02:44:40.000 How come you can't talk about the people?

02:44:42.000 Because it's a surprise. 0.98

02:44:44.000 Oh, you don't know who the fuck's going to be on the show? 0.99

02:44:46.000 No, I do. 0.99

02:44:46.000 You've got to say. 0.99

02:44:47.000 That's how you advertise, you fuck. 1.00

02:44:48.000 Well, I'll be announcing a few of them on Twitter in the next couple of days. 1.00

02:44:52.000 Are you trying to get people to follow your Twitter?

02:44:54.000 Is that what you're doing?

02:44:54.000 No, no, no.

02:44:55.000 Tell the people who's on the goddamn show. 1.00

02:44:57.000 I can't. 1.00

02:44:57.000 Why not? 1.00

02:44:58.000 Because there's a reason why I can't. 0.97

02:45:00.000 But that reason sucks. 0.91

02:45:01.000 I know. 0.94

02:45:01.000 Can you explain the reason? 0.94

02:45:03.000 Because there's other bigger shows around the same day.

02:45:07.000 That that person can't advertise.

02:45:08.000 Yeah, and they don't want to be like, oh, they can see me for 15 bucks here.

02:45:10.000 Well, that'd be a good show, folks.

02:45:12.000 Get in.

02:45:12.000 That's why I just do it.

02:45:13.000 I mean, I have those shows.

02:45:14.000 I just do them anyway here. 0.99

02:45:16.000 Tell people to stop being pussies. 1.00

02:45:17.000 Tell people where the fuck you're going to be. 1.00

02:45:19.000 Right? 0.99

02:45:19.000 Michael Rupert? 0.99

02:45:20.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:45:21.000 Icehousecomedy.com for tickets. 0.99

02:45:23.000 Everlast from the House of Pain.

02:45:24.000 We're going to try to get him in this week.

02:45:26.000 He's awesome.

02:45:27.000 We'll do at least two podcasts this week.

02:45:29.000 Love you, freaks.

02:45:30.000 See you soon.

02:45:31.000 Bye.

02:45:31.000 Thank you, Michael Rupert.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 27, 2011

Joe Rogan Experience #170 - Michael Ruppert

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