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00:03:05.000It came out in August of 2004. When I first became aware of you was that speech that you gave.
00:03:14.000I don't know where you were, but it was a speech that you gave where you were talking in front of some judge in some sort of a courtroom somewhere, and you were explaining how you were an L.A. Police Department officer, and you caught the CIA selling drugs, and you were just fucking saying it.
00:03:32.000You were just standing in front of this judge.
00:03:44.000One of my favorite axioms about combat, about fighting somebody, was given to me by a Chief Warrant Officer 4 from Army Criminal Intelligence Division.
00:03:55.000Don't shoot unless you get a headshot.
00:03:58.000And I had the headshot that day on the director of Central Intelligence.
00:04:02.000And, you know, it's kind of like something that you can spend your whole life in a fight or combat waiting for everything to line up.
00:04:08.000But you know when it lines up and it's like that's what happened.
00:04:48.000He's the guy who died with George Bush's phone number in his pocket.
00:04:51.000You know, I mean, that's a fascinating story.
00:04:54.000There's a guy who says that he was bringing in drugs for the CIA for...
00:04:59.000A long time right from South America and they would have a spot where they would drop it off and apparently two kids saw it and these two kids they killed these two kids and then they said it was suicide.
00:05:12.000So the parents forced some sort of an autopsy and the autopsy found out that these kids had been murdered and then it just it spirals into this thing unwinding but who would have ever believed Before there was something like that.
00:05:27.000Well, I came out with it publicly after I resigned from LAPD in November of 78. And I resigned because Chief Gates was going to let me get killed and he wouldn't give me backup.
00:06:13.000You have to remember that Bill Casey, Ronald Reagan CIA director, was a stockbroker.
00:06:19.000The CIA was created by the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Alan Dulles, who were partners in Sullivan Cromwell.
00:06:27.000They created, founded the CIA, Alan Dulles.
00:06:30.000So the CIA and Wall Street have always been one and the same thing.
00:06:33.000And the deal with drug money, which when I wrote a lot of the stuff that's in Rubicon, Is that you can move it with profits-to-earning ratios off books in a crooked economic paradigm.
00:06:46.000And with price-to-earnings, if you launder a million dollars worth of drug money onto a corporation, let's say GE, who has a price-to-earnings of 30 to 1, you've just created 30 million dollars in stock value.
00:07:00.000There's a huge multiplier, and this is all part of the same corrupt economic paradigm, which is destroying us now.
00:07:08.000That's the case that I started on then, trying to find out what the fuck is going on around here.
00:07:13.000How did you find out, and did other people know and just keep their mouth shut?
00:07:30.000My mother was a senior cryptanalyst for the Army Security Agency in World War II. Her work product went to Secretary of State, Secretary of War, and President Roosevelt.
00:07:38.000She worked on Japanese codes, the Russian codes.
00:07:41.000My father was a decorated Air Force hero, a veteran.
00:07:45.000He was in B-17s, World War II, then he became on all this stuff.
00:07:49.000Both were connected with CIA. I came from a CIA family.
00:07:54.000So, I mean, I used to come home from grade school and say, Mom, what's for dinner?
00:08:04.000So anyway, so I was marked, and plus I was gifted, you know, I was a good, smart, you know, guy.
00:08:12.000And so I was being groomed because the CIA has people in police departments all over the country, and they have for years, law or no law, that's what they do.
00:08:21.000So, I was being recruited into that because I already had a Q clearance, which I had just from living with my parents.
00:08:29.000And so that kind of marked me as somebody who was like on the inside.
00:08:56.000We're surrounded by, and this came up really recently with Occupy and my friend Shamar Thomas and all of this stuff that we got together involved with that.
00:09:24.000There's a lot of people out there in law enforcement, and I think we've seen this with the Occupy movement and the way veterans and some cops have responded to it.
00:09:32.000There's a lot of people inside the system who are really honest, and they're just waiting for somebody else to show them how to do it.
00:09:53.000Well, I was the first to do it and stay alive and the first to do it and find a way to get shit like this done.
00:10:00.000Do you think it's almost safer to come out with something like that than it is to be the guy who hasn't said anything and they could silence?
00:10:08.000Yeah, I mean, being transparent publicly is your absolute best defense and that's something I've done for 35 years now.
00:10:16.000But you got to a point at one point where you were worried about your own life, like you left the country for a while, right?
00:10:37.000You have to learn how to live with it.
00:10:41.000One of my training officers at LAPD had been a Marine with the 5th Marines in the Citadel at Way, and he said, you can get used to anything.
00:11:07.000Well, what I was exposing, now you have to bear in mind that when I was at LAPD and I resigned, I had pulled like the tail of something out of a hole.
00:11:16.000I didn't know what was attached to the rest of, it's like, I'll just pull on this one worm.
00:11:25.000But clearly what I had, The CIA was directly involved in bringing heroin into this country illegally of using police officers in their pay or control with the clearances to protect those drug shipments and they were laundering the drug money and that it had to have been known at a White House level and that was in 1978. That's incredible and they just thought they could just keep getting away with it.
00:11:55.000Well, yeah, but Those who win in a rigged game get stupid.
00:12:00.000If it's always playing your way and this and that, you get real sloppy.
00:12:12.000And what I say now with the collapse of human industrial civilization is that dinosaurs are not capable of being anything other than dinosaurs.
00:12:22.000Certainly if you look at what we're doing, while we're struggling at home so badly, we insist on engaging in all these things overseas that pay strange dividends.
00:12:33.000There's nothing tangible about it, but tangibly in this country right now, people are having a really fucking hard time, but yet all of this money and all these resources are going overseas.
00:12:43.000To fight wars that almost no one agrees with.
00:12:46.000And when you look at it, that is just sloppiness.
00:12:53.000If there wasn't some sort of a 9-11 attack and you proposed this sort of a ridiculous war, everybody would be like, get the fuck out of here.
00:13:00.000But because of the initial 9-11 attack, because there was something so big, They capitalized on it, and now they've ridden the bad intentions right into the ground.
00:13:09.000When you were on Leno recently with Ron Paul, I saw it.
00:13:53.000It's a whole new political ballgame in this country because all of a sudden it's going to be the norm, a substantial norm for people to see somebody like Ron Paul not believing all that bullshit.
00:14:33.000But they can rig within certain, because there are people who see the polling places, there are people, and people know, you know, we had 80 people come in who were on poll, so they can't just say if 80% of the people vote green, the 80% voted red, because nobody would believe it, right?
00:15:27.000The frightening thing to a lot of people about it is the sheer change that a Ron Paul would bring about.
00:15:36.000A real change like that is absolutely terrifying to people.
00:15:40.000Even though they know that the situation right now is completely fucked up, completely unfair, the Congress is bought, everything's stolen.
00:16:06.000And people are, you know, one of the best lines I heard out of the Occupy movement was somebody was asking the protesters moving along in New York.
00:18:50.000So, is this something that's actually written down?
00:18:52.000Is this an ideology or is this just you have a philosophy behind it?
00:18:56.000It kind of originated with Dr. James Lovelock and it's new and it's also very old.
00:19:03.000I've also studied Native American spirituality quite a bit and it's exactly the same thing.
00:19:11.000Well, it seems to me that we have a pretty limited idea of what life is or what's conscious.
00:19:17.000We feel like if it can't react and communicate with us, it can't be conscious.
00:19:21.000But apparently there's been some studies that show that it's very possible that plants recognize people when they're in the room and they feel energy and they can actually React to someone doing something to them.
00:19:32.000They might have some sort of consciousness that we can't understand.
00:19:36.000We just only assume that consciousness is human consciousness.
00:19:41.000I mean, everything might have a consciousness.
00:19:43.000It might just be in able to express itself.
00:19:45.000The idea of this as a giant super organism is so fascinating.
00:19:49.000It's so amazing because we know that everything, nothing exists on its own.
00:19:54.000I mean, every single body is a mixture of all sorts of different bacteria and, you know, microbiotic particles and all sorts of different things that are constantly helping you or macrobiotic.
00:20:05.000You know, like when you're eating yogurt, you know, you're taking in troops.
00:20:08.000You know, when you're taking acidophilus, you're bringing in, like, healthy animals, living organisms.
00:20:14.000I mean, it's so fascinating that we absolutely need that in order to stay healthy and be alive.
00:20:20.000One of the things I just did recently was very cool.
00:20:23.000I live in West Sonoma County and there's a spa and I had done like three months without a day off for CollapseNet.
00:20:31.000That's my company and doing the radio show.
00:20:35.000And so I treated myself and they have this spa where you go and you actually take a bath in a hot living compost pile.
00:20:44.000and it's specially bred compost but everything is alive and it's warm and you become and it just it sucks stuff out of you that's just you know really cool wow yeah wow that's freaky yeah it's so weird what a different you know like a soup You know, we're not just one ingredient.
00:21:05.000It's really fascinating and to think of the Earth as being that, just expressing itself in a larger way.
00:21:10.000There's a great movie that just came out this year called Anima Mundi, M-U-N-D-I, out of Australia.
00:21:20.000And it's all about, and there's some tremendous, tremendous awakening things in there.
00:21:28.000You just look at, and the science is really good to support that too.
00:21:31.000See, I think the big problem is now is if, let's say you and I are Martians or from another planet, we just came down here to check out what's happening with these creatures down here, right?
00:21:51.000And I really think that that originates with Genesis 1. I mean, I'm at war with God, or at least the religion, the God of old, the gods that brought us to this point.
00:22:01.000And I'm at war with the God that gave man dominion over the planet.
00:22:10.000We were taught that we, and I don't believe that that's true.
00:22:12.000And I believe that If there's any one lie that's enabled all this corruption, a lot of it to be hidden under the guise of religion, that's the big one.
00:22:22.000So you think that if you can get enough people to recognize this earth as a living thing, we could change the way people behave and change the practices?
00:22:31.000I mean, it doesn't seem to have been that long ago that people didn't destroy the earth at all.
00:22:37.000I mean, just a few hundred years ago, the oceans were clean, right?
00:22:41.000I mean, how many hundreds of years ago was there no pollution?
00:22:46.000Well, no, you would have to go back probably to the 1200s.
00:22:50.000No, there was pollution in Rome, yeah.
00:23:54.000But anyway, so our ancestors 40,000 years ago running around, right?
00:23:58.000They didn't all of a sudden stop one day and going, why am I having this wilderness experience?
00:24:06.000What mankind's task is now with the collapse of human industrial civilization, which is here, which cannot be stopped, is not so much to learn but to remember stuff that we've known inside of us forever.
00:24:22.000You've got to clear a lot of garbage out of the way to get there.
00:24:28.000I'm pretty optimistic about what I see.
00:24:30.000I mean, I started CollapseNet, my company, CollapseNet.com.
00:25:29.000So there's post-petroleum human, and there's a new consciousness emerging.
00:25:33.000And there are tens of millions of us around the world.
00:25:37.000And truly, I think there may be hundreds of millions or a billion or more of us around the world.
00:25:42.000We just haven't been allowed to see each other yet.
00:25:44.000There's something with that matrix that keeps you from seeing all the other people who feel.
00:25:48.000That's why with you and Ron Paul on Leno, when the audience started cheering, it was like that was a bitch slap bucket of cold water in the face of Barack Obama and everybody in Washington.
00:26:01.000You know, who thought they could actually get away with this stuff again?
00:26:04.000Do you think Obama knew what was going to happen before he got into office?
00:26:08.000Because he seems, it seems to me, he seems so ineffective.
00:26:12.000It's almost like he had an idea of what it would be like, and then when he got in there, it's just nothing like that.
00:27:13.000I was the press spokesman for Ross Perot in Los Angeles County in 1992, at a time when Ross Perot was ahead of both George Bush and Bill Clinton in the polls.
00:28:15.000There was a guy, I had a source, somebody who was in a position to know, when William Casey had his first briefing as DCI, Director of Central Intelligence under Ronald Reagan, would have been in January of 81. He said to those in the room, he said, we will know that we have been successful when everything the American people believe is true is false.
00:29:50.000When all was going down, when the bailouts were happening, and Obama actually had the nerve to say that he was going to limit the bonuses that these guys got to half a million dollars.
00:30:00.000You're like, as if someone actually talked him into thinking that that made any sense to regular people.
00:30:09.000The regular people are going to go, yeah, you know, he had to get his half a mil.
00:32:34.000There's the shaft from deep water rise and it went down and what's happened is that the whole seabed is now fractured all around it and the oil is seeping up and there's no way to control it.
00:34:33.000And Japan is mortally wounded with radiation, and the global food supply is now contaminated as a result of the cesium, the plutonium, and, you know.
00:34:43.000Baby food was just found, detected the other day with radiation.
00:35:13.000And what they're finding is that The birds have eaten radioactive seeds and they're shitting out radioactive poop all over New Zealand now.
00:36:22.000Because, you know, this is one of the things that I'm hearing from people lately, the Occupy folks, is not just the standard, you know, we want these motherfuckers out.
00:36:30.000They're saying, we could all live together here.
00:37:09.000Rules of Engagement is of the documentary that details it and shows you them fucking tanks with flamethrowers shooting into these people's houses.
00:37:17.000They crushed people inside their houses, ran over them with tanks, lit that place on fire.
00:37:39.000I carry a lot of rage over the 35 years I've been doing this, too.
00:37:44.000But one of my biggest angers is, if you'd only listened to me 30 years ago, this might not happen.
00:37:50.000If you'd listened to Iran-Contra people, if you'd listened to all of the protest movements, 9-11, if you'd have listened to the 2003 invasion of...
00:38:01.000This country never mustered the will to call the crimes out when they saw them.
00:38:09.000Because they were there for everybody to see.
00:38:11.000And now we're all kind of going, well, yeah, of course that happened, and of course that happened.
00:38:15.000It's amazing how this is all predicted by the Founding Fathers.
00:38:18.000They knew that everything was going to get slippery and things were going to get weird.
00:38:22.000The fact that Benjamin Franklin was the one who said, he who chooses security over liberty deserves neither.
00:38:57.000They're going to have to die off, right?
00:38:58.000The older ones are going to have to die off.
00:38:59.000They're just way too set in their ways.
00:39:01.000The people that were willing to call Waco and actually have that happen, they didn't understand the impact of the media because it hadn't really become apparent yet.
00:39:10.000They thought they were going to get away with business as usual because they come from a long career of doing that, and that's just how they get shit done.
00:41:22.000And you can print an infinite amount of money but we live on a finite planet and we're running out of all the stuff that makes that money have any power.
00:42:01.000How are you going to get rid of that many people?
00:42:06.000Gee, you can let all the radiation out of Fukushima.
00:42:10.000You can let all the oil out of the Gulf.
00:42:13.000You can let billions of tons of methane that is now being released from the tundra in Arctic Siberia.
00:42:20.000It's a catastrophic event for a tipping point.
00:42:24.000We've destroyed the environment as well.
00:42:26.000That's going to kill a lot of people, but there are 10 calories of hydrocarbon energy in every calorie of food consumed in the industrialized world.
00:43:05.000The people that do this, the people that run the infinite growth monetary paradigm system.
00:43:10.000Which, to identify now, I would say would be the owners of the Federal Reserve, the Bank of International Settlements, and the City of London.
00:43:21.000They've known that this outcome was coming for a long time.
00:43:25.000And they're engineering and they are making money from this now.
00:43:30.000The sick bastards are deliberately letting things crash.
00:43:34.000So they've engineered it, they're profiting from it, and then when it crashes, what happens then?
00:43:40.000Does it crash to a point where money is useless and we start all over again?
00:43:44.000Or it crashes to the point where we have a thermonuclear war that we're on the cusp of right now over an invasion of Iran for bullshit reasons, a regime change in Syria, which will bring in China immediately on Iran's side in a thermonuclear conflict.
00:44:00.000We could blow ourselves to smithereens.
00:44:19.000Make money on the way up, make money on the way down.
00:44:22.000This is pure evil because they know what the outcome of this is.
00:44:25.000They know that the outcome of their actions would be either through climate change to kill all life on this planet, which is well underway.
00:44:32.000We're having massive mass extinctions now.
00:44:36.000Run it economically into the ground, pollute it, blow everything up.
00:44:45.000And for those who aren't aware of the parable of the scorpion and the toad, the scorpion asks the toad to give him a ride across the water.
00:45:49.000Well, you know, I think it's really fascinating to think that there could have been alternate paths for intelligence.
00:45:54.000You know, the path that Western civilization went on with our interpretation of reality and our construction methods and all the different things, the way that we have expressed our intelligence, that it could very well be.
00:46:08.000And it's been proven to be in Egypt and in the Mayans.
00:46:11.000And there was an incredibly brilliant society that operated very, very much different than ours.
00:46:20.000While one group part of the world was thinking about something else, they were studying constellations and building these amazing stone structures that really are mind-boggling.
00:46:30.000And then when they find out that there's thousands of them still undiscovered in Mexico and South America, that they're just...
00:49:48.000Larry had this house in the Hollywood Hills, and you would look out at night, and I never realized, like, why does everybody want to live in the Hollywood Hills?
00:49:55.000The fucking pollution's up there, it's shitty.
00:50:51.000The image of the starry nights in Nebraska when you're driving on the highway and you just pull over the car and you open the door and look up and you go, holy shit!
00:51:14.000You don't get that humility, that realization that you're in front of the infinite, that you're experiencing an impossible vision of incredible beauty.
00:51:25.000Yeah, and we've sacrificed it for streetlights.
00:51:28.000For streetlights, we've sacrificed the most incredible thing you could ever see, and very few people ever get to see it, and it's right above your head.
00:51:42.000From John Donne, it was some early Christian monk, a story about a guy who was riding around on an ass all day, a donkey, looking for a donkey.
00:51:51.000In other words, it's like, I'm trying to find God, I'm trying to find God, and you're swimming in it, but you're just not aware of it.
00:52:57.000Because this is a rare point in history.
00:52:59.000People have sort of forgotten that at one point in time, just 50,000 years ago, fucking blink of the eye, everywhere you went, you could have got eaten.
00:54:03.000Isn't it possible that there could be some sort of a scientific discovery?
00:54:07.000Something that changes the game as far as the way we can harness energy that could possibly pull us in a more positive direction than a complete and total collapse?
00:56:08.000I mean, they had that big blackout down here, down in San Diego, and whoa, whoa, that was a bucket of cold water in the face because that was real panic.
00:57:02.000That's the lesson for everybody here who becomes aware of collapse.
00:57:06.000The slow campers, the zombies, as we call them, are going to be out there zombies until the last minute, you know, when nothing is working anymore and people are starving to death and they're going to go and say, well, gee, I don't understand.
00:57:16.000This is going to come back any second.
00:57:18.000The faster campers, the ones worthy of Darwinian selection, there are tens of millions of us around the world already moving.
00:57:28.000Local food production, First and foremost, start growing food wherever you are right now.
00:57:34.000And then building communities and disengaging from that paradigm.
00:57:38.000So those are the people who are going to make it.
00:57:43.000And some areas and some regions won't.
00:57:45.000But see, I get to see this all over the world.
00:57:47.000As a result of collapse, I got people everywhere.
00:57:49.000Do you have to be somewhere where you're not going to need a car?
00:57:53.000Because this is not an issue, and eventually we're going to run out of oil.
00:59:29.000I mean, it wasn't George Bush, Dick Cheney, or Hank Paulson or somebody like that flipping a switch saying, okay, we're going to put gas at five bucks.
01:00:03.000So the economy got so hot that the oil prices spiked because that was what demand was doing at the time.
01:00:10.000There was some minor stuff, but it's fundamentally peak oil.
01:00:13.000And 147 a barrel oil is what shut us down in 2008. And we're just about to hit another place right now with oil at 100, 105. That's going to shut everything down because people are so much more broke than they were in 2008. And we're looking at a possible attack on Iran.
01:00:31.000We're looking at Saudi Arabia possibly collapsing.
01:00:33.000Iraq's now in civil war just a week after we pulled our troops out.
01:00:50.000Actually, on the same day that the last US troops left Iraq, Nouriel Maliki had a delegation fly to Syria, to Damascus, to meet with President al-Assad because the US is trying to overthrow Assad because he's an ally of Iran.
01:01:06.000And al-Maliki, who was a Shiite, was starting to side with Syria.
01:01:12.000So the U.S. and Israel have been very intent on attacking Iran, which is a stupid suicidal move.
01:01:19.000I mean, it'll kill all of us because the world can't do without oil.
01:01:22.000And that'll shut down the Gulf and China will beg.
01:02:26.000Well, it's sort of a crazy situation in Afghanistan, but there's a bunch of warlords running the country, and there's really only one city.
01:02:32.000It's Kabul, and it's a really unusual place.
01:02:35.000It's almost like there is no government anywhere.
01:02:50.000This is like, we've stepped out of the, okay, we're just going after, you know, banana republic, fucked up countries that are run by crazy dudes, and, you know, who have no power, who are obviously humiliated by us just a decade earlier.
01:03:05.000You want to know the biggest difference between Iran and Iraq?
01:03:07.000Iran has had those same borders since the time of Xerxes.
01:04:43.000And Ron Paul is bringing that aha moment.
01:04:46.000You know, like the Emperor's New Clothes when everybody in this country looks at every other sane person in this country and says, Jesus Christ, this is all corrupt, crooked.
01:05:04.000I mean, that is the only argument whatsoever about suppressing other nations.
01:05:08.000The only argument that's like, yeah, we've got nuclear power, but nobody else can have it because it's fucked up, we used it once, we feel real bad about it, but we don't trust you with it.
01:05:17.000I mean, the idea that you would want to stop all these bad guys from creating nuclear power, not nuclear power, rather, but nuclear weapons, It's a consideration if you're dealing with a really volatile country in the first place.
01:05:29.000I think our biggest concern now is not some other nation getting, because it's enormously expensive and energy intensive to enrich uranium and to make the warheads.
01:05:40.000Believe me, that's the background that I come from when I had the clearance when I was living with my parents.
01:05:47.000So I don't think we need to worry about anybody learning how to do it or making new.
01:05:50.000What we've got is hundreds of thousands of nuclear...
01:06:42.000Enriched uranium is uranium that you process with heavy water, with centrifuges, and various ways to concentrate the atoms of the U-235 or U-238 that give you the energy, but it's like packing the punch to enrich it, to make it fissile, so that in a reactor, when you pull the radio, it'll create the heat, because all a nuclear reactor really is is a boiling water pot.
01:07:12.000Albert Einstein looked at the first nuclear reactor.
01:07:15.000He said, it's a hell of a way to boil water.
01:07:16.000And that's where all the energy comes from out of every nuclear plant.
01:08:48.000What kind of a weird thing are people where they have such an amazing ability to control their environment and to influence their environment and we can't, for whatever reason, we can't feel what we're doing bad to the environment.
01:09:02.000It's almost like we have much more power and much more ability than we have the natural ability to To perceive the impact of this power.
01:09:31.000I mean, do you think that the way humans have to evolve at an incredibly rapid pace, like sociologically or consciously, just to try to catch up with the technology that's evolving around us?
01:09:43.000It's almost like this mad scramble is in place.
01:09:46.000It almost has to be in place just to keep up with where technology is going.
01:09:52.000I call that, I gave a speech in Grass Valley, that's up on CollapseNet website.
01:09:57.000The speech was called The Birth of Post-Petroleum Human, and I coined a line in that.
01:10:01.000I said, we, the people of the new consciousness, will live in the spaces between the ones and the zeros of Cartesian tyranny.
01:11:21.000You know, when I was saying that the Occupy people are sort of like white blood cells, and they're just gathering around this illness, and they don't even know what they're going to do with it, but they're gathering around all the sick spots.
01:11:32.000There was a reason why, and I got deeply involved in that when I saw the violence, and I've been an activist a long time, and I know a lot of veterans.
01:11:41.000I know a lot of special forces and SEALs.
01:11:44.000When I saw Oakland and when I saw all the unforgivable violence, I was a good cop in the city.
01:13:41.000This is a big science that, you know, in mass psychology when you reach a certain percentage of the people, 7% solution, whatever it is, all of a sudden everybody starts getting it.
01:15:39.000I had read somewhere that when it was first being proposed that people weren't worried if it got through the Senate because the president said he would veto it.
01:15:47.000Do you think it's possible the president lies?
01:16:07.000Those words are so fucking important because people don't understand that this idea of security being more important is absolutely fucking crazy because guess what?
01:17:32.000That's getting you used to being fucked with.
01:17:34.000And it's so terrifying to think that it's possible that there's people out there that would allow things to happen just to tighten down security.
01:17:44.000They would allow things that they knew could possibly be taking place to let it happen.
01:17:49.000And that way, once it does, we'll tighten up this, and this will pass immediately, and then we'll just stick that right in the back door, and no one's ever going to say a word.
01:17:56.000Plus, they make nice businesses and nice government contracts for people where the money gets laundered through all the guys.
01:18:06.000The world is governed by organized crime.
01:18:08.000And if you think about it, man, can you point to any government anywhere in the world that you think is doing a good job that its people are going, yeah, my government's really taking care of me?
01:18:27.000Well, that's aside from getting to the owners of the Fed, the Bank of International Settlements, City of London, finding out who those financial powers would be.
01:19:03.000A guy who made a living as the head of a company that fixes shit after we blow it up and then he gets an office.
01:19:13.000And blows shit up and then makes a fuckload of money fixing it.
01:19:16.000He killed 3,200 Americans and I say it in my book Crossing the Rubicon proves that Dick Cheney was the mastermind and executed September 11th.
01:20:32.000Because I don't believe the planes caused the buildings to crash.
01:20:36.000But what I have said throughout the course of my career, I finished writing Rubicon in 04, was that I wouldn't touch it because you couldn't prove it in court.
01:20:42.000The book that I wrote is legally admissible in court.
01:21:15.000I mean, if something happened like that, which is an unexpected event, and it caused the building to collapse, which nobody anticipated, I mean, that obviously, there was some engineering involved in the construction of those buildings, some serious engineering.
01:21:27.000Well, obviously, that engineering wasn't up to par, wasn't what it should have been.
01:21:32.000Shouldn't there be some sort of a lawsuit about that?
01:21:34.000I mean, shouldn't people be freaking out?
01:21:36.000Like, hey, how come you guys built this thing to take an airplane hit, and it can't take a fucking airplane hit?
01:21:41.000That's assuming that the court system is honest, too, which I don't.
01:22:00.000That's called an issue of the answer to which takes you completely away from the fact that I proved without arguing building collapse that the U.S. government did execute the attacks of 9-11.
01:22:11.000If you could explain it, there's a lot of people that would never believe that anybody in the position of government would ever do anything like that, anything similar to that, especially anyone who is at the head of a position of power in the United States of America, the greatest country in the world.
01:22:25.000So what is the number one piece of evidence?
01:23:30.000He also, NORAD scramble procedures were rewritten before the attacks of 9-11.
01:23:35.000But on the day of September the 11th, I discovered, and I have the evidence in the book, including an on-the-record email from an Air Force major, Don Arias at First Air Force in Tyndall Air Force Base, And there were war game exercises that were scheduled.
01:23:49.000Now, normally the Northeast Air Defense Sector, ANG, Air National Guard pilots, there's like, you know, 50, 60 planes available in all the states in need.
01:24:01.000But there were war game exercises that Dick Cheney has scheduled that sent like 80% of the fighters from Northeast Air Defense Sector to Alaska, Canada, and Greenland for war game exercises on the day of September 11th.
01:24:15.000Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern, they're all in the book, and I have the records of all of them.
01:24:24.000But then there was one war game exercise, Vigilant Guardian, I believe it was, that injected 24 false radar blips onto the screens of the Northeast Air Defense Sector as the hijackings took place.
01:24:39.000Now picture, you're an air traffic controller looking at your screen, right?
01:24:43.000You got a hijack alert, boom, and you got this war game exercise, and you cannot pick the hijack out of the 24 false blips.
01:25:16.000Yeah, but how would you explain, like, the stewardess?
01:25:18.000How would you explain all the people on there?
01:25:19.000Because, I mean, I doubt, like, if the stewardess were, like, getting the plane ready and they opened up the cockpit and Teddy Ruxpin was sitting there, they're like, hey, what is the pilot?
01:25:25.000I think the way you do it is the pilots no longer have control of the plane.
01:25:30.000The pilots are in the plane, they start to take off, and then they switch it off by remote, control the thing by computer, and then they're fucked.
01:25:37.000And these people are controlling this.
01:25:38.000That's been built in for a couple decades.
01:25:40.000They were proposing, that was part of Operation Northwood.
01:25:43.000They were proposing doing that to blow up a jet airliner and blame it on the Cubans.
01:25:47.000They were going to say a whole bunch of people died, and they were just going to relocate people.
01:25:51.000And then, going back to my family history, my mother worked in the most secret section of Army Security Agency, the Japanese codes.
01:25:58.000We had broken the Japanese codes and Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack and let it happen.
01:26:03.000I was dating a girl who was working in the White House.
01:26:34.000She thought she would be silly, you know, and, you know, she was a young girl, and they were like, what the fuck do you think you're doing?
01:26:49.000I mean, it's amazing that, you know, you look back in Teddy Roosevelt, you look back in Eisenhower, and you know, you feel like that's a real goddamn president.
01:26:58.000That's the president, that's the commander-in-chief looking at the people with leadership and trying to move us forward, and that that was a guy.
01:27:06.000I mean, look, when he left and he started talking about The military industrial complex and warning people about the dangers.
01:27:14.000Could you imagine a speech like that today?
01:27:18.000No one would ever do that kind of a speech.
01:27:20.000The United States of America was mortally wounded on November 22nd, 1963. But the coup de grace was administered with the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy in 1968. And I was alive then.
01:27:33.000And I have some connections to Bobby Kennedy.
01:29:05.000They find this guy, all his blood's missing, got shot somewhere else, brought to this one spot, gun still in his hand, which you never find.
01:29:13.000When someone self-administers a gunshot wound, your hands go flying, the gun goes flying.
01:32:05.000Because of the fact, it couldn't have been coincidental, it couldn't have been that maybe someone knew that he was doing these war games, so they figured that's a time to attack, because, you know, they had some inside people in the army that knew this, and then they leaked the information, and they said, well, we'll get you another week.
01:32:57.000If you think that the planes were taken over at remote control, do you think that people were, that hijackers were actually really on the planes and attacked?
01:33:19.000Planes were flown by remote control because pilots like Al-Hazmi or Al-Midar, whoever was supposedly flying the plane into the Pentagon, You know, that's a maneuver like one of the most experienced pilots in the world couldn't make.
01:33:36.000And this was a guy who couldn't get a multi-engine license.
01:33:48.000And I hold some question as to whether Mohamed Atta and several of the ones that I and Michelle Chosodoski and some great work was done On the flight training by Daniel Hopsicker.
01:34:13.000It was me and Michelle Chosodovsky, Dan Hopsicker and Paul Thompson.
01:34:17.000We were the four guys who really did 90% of the 9-11 research.
01:34:21.000Enlighten me about the argument when it comes to the physics of actually flying a plane.
01:34:27.000I had read that it's much more difficult to do, like physically difficult to do what they were doing by steering it than it is to do it by remote control.
01:34:35.000What they were doing is physically hard to do because of the G-force of the turn and everything.
01:35:12.000They weren't licensed to fly a regular old Cessna.
01:35:15.000So how many people know about it altogether?
01:35:17.000If you had to guess, if you said, okay, there's Dick Cheney and he's the guy that you perceive as being the mastermind...
01:35:23.000And then there's a bunch of people who also have to be in on it, because they have to rig these planes with remote control capability, and they have to order NATO to stand down.
01:35:33.000They have to do all these different things that they did that day.
01:36:13.000It's terrifying that 40 or 50 people would be willing to do that and they could all find each other and form a gang, you know, and actually make something like this happen.
01:36:21.000And they just hang out at NASA all the time.
01:36:23.000Yeah, not NASA. Some Army Pentagon type place.
01:38:03.000So, regardless of what anybody thinks, I'm not going to argue the point is, The fact is to try the case in court and to hang Dick Cheney, which I can do without going down that side alley.
01:38:33.000In the intelligence business, there's a program called COINTELPRO and many other programs that have been used and developed by CIA and Army Intelligence on the creation of false legends and false stories.
01:38:50.000And one of the biggest deals in the intelligence trade is to do a dangle.
01:38:56.000A dangle, let's say I'm a spy, a dangle would be like a 5 foot 10 woman right out of my ultimate sexual fantasy, you know, blah blah.
01:39:43.000To see if that action got enough traction, then at some point they would come up and actually show you the video of a jetliner hitting and all of a sudden everything else you bought into as a result is discredited.
01:39:58.000Yeah, I've always thought that was fascinating, like, when you read someone's stories and, you know, you read something, like, that guy, Behold the Pale Horse guy, William Cooper, is that his name?
01:40:10.000Because he was one of those guys, let me just say before you even tell me, he was one of those guys that I would read his stuff and I'd go, well that makes sense, that makes sense.
01:40:20.000It was like, that was the progression.
01:40:22.000And so that made me think, well what if this guy is like working for them, like making everything else look retarded by coming up with this one idea that he tosses in about bases on the moon where they're processing fucking compound race tires for the Corvette team.
01:41:03.000Yes, but those people would also say something that they know tells to the powers that be that they aren't a threat.
01:41:12.000Well, what's really funny is a lot of you guys, and I don't want to lump anybody into a category, and I'm certainly not putting you in with anybody else because I love your work, but a lot of you guys think that it's not you, not you, but people along those lines are calling out the government.
01:41:29.000They think that there are people out there that are shills.
01:41:32.000Like other guys that are successful, like their competition.
01:42:32.000Because I've been saying all this shit, and like, the US government spent, the State Department spent $3 million refuting every other 9-11 theory out there.
01:42:44.000So do you feel like they don't have to address you because you don't have as much mainstream exposure as, say, you know, any of these other guys that you, you know what I mean?
01:44:38.000I made that tape because I was so pissed off that everything was falling apart and nobody was...
01:44:44.000Talking about how criminal and how fucked up this was and a whole generation is being screwed.
01:44:48.000I think a lot of people are talking about it, though, don't you think?
01:44:50.000I mean, at this point, a lot of people are talking about it.
01:44:52.000But if they say my name, it's game over.
01:44:55.000Because then they have to see the body of work.
01:44:58.000So you're saying that all these people that are in any position of power that are, you know, saying the sky is falling, it's all falling apart, but whatever you do, don't talk about Michael Rupert?
01:45:16.000But then I'm going to prove that CNN, that ABC, that all the corporate-owned media is absolutely criminally corrupt and complicit in all the economic criminality that's been taking place in covering up all these other crimes.
01:45:31.000Every major media outlet in this country trades its shares on Wall Street and they're all part of the same economic paradigm.
01:47:04.000A lot of people who are paranoid about this see this as a backdoor to possibly, you know, this is the beginning of regulating the internet.
01:47:12.000Trust me, I got a chapter on PROMIS software in that book, which talks about some of the stuff the government can do.
01:47:21.000The government can do anything that they want to do right now.
01:47:24.000SOPA doesn't scare me enough because SOPA is just kind of legalizing something that we know they're already doing anyway.
01:47:31.000I mean, we've been under severe hacking at CollapseNet and we've got a great team of IT specialists.
01:47:38.000And we're talking coordinated DDoS, you know, new servers, boom, boom, boom, getting into our emails, shutting us out of this, shutting it out.
01:47:46.000They even go so far as to change, like, the number of visitors we have on the website to make it look like nobody's looking at our website.
01:48:53.000They never thought that they would see this.
01:48:54.000They never thought they would see hundreds of thousands of people, you know, just ranting in the streets, chanting in the streets, holding signs, wandering around.
01:49:39.000They've known this was going to be coming too.
01:49:41.000But I think there's another reason for this with the planned attack on Iran is so that they can do a roundup of Arab Americans like they did with the Japanese right after World War II and put them in camps.
01:50:20.000And human industrial civilization is collapsing.
01:50:24.000If you think to what the powers that be, the money people did during the Great Depression, They didn't put all the homeless starving in camps.
01:50:32.000They let them drag themselves across the country from the Oklahoma Dust Bowl to California and if they starved along the way, the government wasn't paying a penny.
01:50:49.000They will have camps, you know, for people like me, or if there's major civil unrest in some cities or something like that, but no long term because the resources don't exist to do that.
01:50:58.000So the idea is just kill everybody then?
01:52:36.000But all the powers that be want to do is make money on the way up and maximize profit on the way down.
01:52:41.000So they're just trying to money grab right now and just smash up as much as possible.
01:52:45.000It is more profitable to destroy things now than it is to save them.
01:52:48.000And the NDAA is basically just like, we need to keep fucking peace in the streets while we're stealing money.
01:52:55.000Or scare the people into, yes, you know.
01:52:57.000We just have crazy laws so we can just lock people up.
01:53:00.000You know, who's locking people up, though?
01:53:02.000That's where it gets really ridiculous.
01:53:04.000At one point in time, someone has to realize that this The structure of this monarchy, this fucking kingship that's taken over the world, it only works if people are willing to take up guns.
01:53:17.000It only works if the common folk are willing to push around everybody else.
01:53:29.000A guy like you who steps out, and when you were a cop, and you saw this corruption, and you stepped away, you were a regular person.
01:53:35.000Instead of identifying yourself with this organization that was obviously sick, you identified yourself with your morals and your character and your upbringing, and you said, fuck you, the CIA's selling drugs.
01:53:45.000At some point in time, isn't that the real solution?
01:53:49.000Is it everybody sort of realizes that they can't do that?
01:53:52.000No, but this is like one of the coolest things that's happened to me in...
01:55:08.000I swear to God, I know that sounds ridiculous.
01:55:10.000I know it sounds ridiculous, but when he started quoting Pokemon and using the fucking Grand Theft Auto tax program, you know, I was like, wait a minute, man.
01:55:18.000They have to create all this drama to make you believe that there's a democracy at work out there.
01:55:22.000So what do you think that was, where some dude is just a super successful businessman and they co-opted him, they got ahold of him.
01:55:28.000I'm sure he got some great business deals to go through everything he went through and he's going to walk away.
01:55:33.000He was never going to be president to begin with.
01:55:35.000Seems like he was just fucking everybody, huh?
01:55:37.000Anyway, can I tell you this thing that's better than Fox Magic?
01:56:23.000But after his skull was fractured and he was on the ground, you see the cops lobbing CS canisters, gas canisters, right into the group of people.
01:57:04.000I took an oath, and when I got there, there were all these veterans.
01:57:08.000There were Vietnam veterans, and there were Gulf One veterans, and there was one active duty guy, there was an Army Ranger Special Forces medic, and we had all showed up there with all, we all had the same idea.
01:57:21.000We are gonna get in front of the cops so that when they start shooting the gas, they're gonna hit us, and if they wanna beat on somebody, let them beat on us, because we know that we can take that without throwing back.
01:57:36.000And this groundswell from the veterans community, the honorable warriors, the Shamar Thomases.
01:57:42.000You know, what is so sad, and I've had a really close connection over the years from doing investigating on murders of a lot of Army Special Ops personnel.
01:57:54.000For all these years, we have had really good men go off to war.
01:58:00.000And never in my lifetime has there been an honorable war.
01:58:06.000But there are guys who went out there who did the deed, who put their lives on the line, got their combat infantry back, whatever, and didn't commit atrocities in really...
01:58:17.000Horrible wars and came home and they've never been able to shine like that.
01:58:21.000And when Shamar Thomas did that, Shamar Thomas was speaking for everybody who'd been to war in this country's military, who served honorably, who didn't commit atrocities in wars that we all know were totally fucked up, fraudulent, and lying.
01:58:36.000The best teacher, the most powerful teacher I've ever had, I gave a talk at Portland State University right after 9-11.
01:58:44.000It became my video, Truth and Lies of 9-11.
01:58:48.000And a Native American showed up, knocked on my hotel room door.
01:59:33.000And he fought beside Russell Means at Wounded Knee.
01:59:37.000And he showed up to be my cameraman, and he became a teacher for me.
01:59:41.000And he was one of the great warrior teachers that I've had who taught me the power of honor and why it's important to fight in an honorable war.
01:59:49.000Not only to die your honorable death or, you know, to fight honorably, but to fight in an honorable war.
02:00:11.000Yeah, a lot of people probably don't know what you're talking about, but there's a video out there of this guy who's a big dude, and he's got all these medals on, and he's, like, pointing to the medals, like, these aren't lies, you know?
02:00:20.000And he's, like, explaining all the shit that he's been through.
02:00:23.000And he's like, this is not a war zone.
02:03:21.000Brian, find it on YouTube and watch it, because it's hilarious.
02:03:23.000He talks about, you know, different presidents that have accomplished more, and he only lists, like, three that he thinks have accomplished more than they have.
02:03:31.000There was a guy named Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who was a Russian writer, a very great Russian writer.
02:03:37.000He lived 30 years in a gulag prison camp, right?
02:04:43.000And there are, in this country, with all of the tens and hundreds of millions of people who are unemployed or below the poverty line, people who can't afford gas at any price right now.
02:04:53.000So it's going to slowly keep creeping.
02:05:54.000It's codependent to want to go in and fix that system.
02:05:57.000Picture somebody wanting to go to the Nazis in 1938 and say, okay, let's have a campaign to organize to teach the Nazis that the Jews are really good people.
02:06:07.000The smart people were just saying, I'm getting the fuck out of Europe.
02:06:10.000The Jews, the smart Jews, were getting out of the way.
02:06:12.000The world knew what was coming with that.
02:06:15.000And it's not mentally sound to try and fix this system.
02:06:48.000As you said yourself, Steve, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president, with the possible exceptions of Johnson, FDR, and Lincoln, but just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history.
02:08:58.000Some other criminal in the White House, you know, they're going to become harder to find.
02:09:05.000But we're fighting to determine how far this system is going to run everything down before we put our foot down and say this has got to change.
02:09:16.000That's what's going to make the difference because this system I wrote an essay called Global Corp some years ago, and in it I said, the way the system works, infinite growth, mergers and everything now, the last CFO of the last corporation in the world, Global Corp, when the world is in total ruins, when four, five, six billion people are dead, when one guy has acquired all the ones and zeros of wealth, and that company goes bankrupt, he's going to say, hooray, we did it.
02:09:43.000That's where that ends until and unless we stop it, human beings.
02:10:00.000Well, if there's an attack launched on Iran within the next week or two or before the January 3rd Iowa caucuses and China comes in to back up Iran and the Russians have said they will back up Iran and nuclear weapons are exchanged, it could be over in two weeks.
02:10:32.000And I'm seeing very strong signs that the United States is getting bitch-slapped around the world right now.
02:10:38.000Since we killed 24 Pakistani troops, ISAF, Hilos killed 24-pack soldiers, all the supplies going into the NATO forces in Afghanistan have been cut off through Pakistan.
02:10:50.000How ridiculous was the asking for the drone back from Iran?
02:10:53.000Did that make you feel like it's a work of fiction when you saw that?
02:12:14.000But there's also, you're happy to see the system fall apart, not because you want people to die, but because it's a fucked up system that doesn't work, and it needs to die like anything that doesn't work.
02:12:23.000I'm doing everything I possibly can to accelerate the breakdown of the United States government and the economy and the banking system and everything else.
02:12:31.000Now, under the Patriot Act, are you allowed to say shit like that?
02:12:34.000Can't that be interpreted as you're a threat?
02:12:38.000Only God determines what I'm allowed to say, and nobody else has the right to do that.
02:12:42.000And isn't it supposed to be enemies both foreign and domestic?
02:14:38.000Could you imagine what kind of an asshole you have to be to say you're not allowed to grow tomatoes?
02:14:43.000I think we've already fixed all the problems in the world.
02:14:47.000Let's concentrate on people growing food.
02:14:49.000Think about all the shit that we have problems with.
02:14:51.000Prison overpopulation, war on drugs, all the different issues that we have to deal with, pollution of the environment, and someone chose to concentrate on people growing fucking food.
02:14:59.000But our whole civilization now is predicated with corporate control, the banking control, on us not being independent, not being able to function outside of a system that they control, that the giant agribiz corporations, Monsanto and Cargill control.
02:15:25.000Yeah, they can't tell who bought a controlling steak.
02:15:28.000They couldn't tell if it was one of the people that owns Monsanto because there's a lot of crazy paperwork you've got to go through.
02:15:34.000But the idea that that was even thought of, that the country, or a company rather, that controls food growth in hundreds of countries, and not hundreds, but A lot of countries.
02:15:43.000But not only does that, but it's been shown that politically they force their GMO foods on these countries that don't want it, can't afford it.
02:15:52.000They have suicides all over the world where people can't keep up.
02:16:30.000But we've had some stories on CollapseNet recently that shows that Monsanto's supposedly bulletproof seeds are producing mutations which Monsanto can't control.
02:17:00.000They don't know what the reaction is of a human body eating 20 years of genetically modified beef because we haven't done it yet.
02:17:08.000But now get that around the world, there are tens and hundreds of millions of people moving to relocalize, to grow organic food, that's what I'm doing, and to take control where we can.
02:18:20.000And when you see things like Egypt, like these crazy beatings that they're doing, the protesters in Egypt now, and you see this battle to control Iraq, do you think that that was engineered?
02:18:31.000That they knew that in a vacuum that these puppet governments they put in place would quickly fall apart?
02:18:37.000I really think the U.S. government was flamboozled and cocky because we built, and I have this in Rubicon, three mega bases there that were meant to be permanent installations.
02:18:48.000And I mean some of the largest, most expensive military bases ever built.
02:18:52.000We built an embassy compound larger than Vatican City.
02:18:56.000It's going to house like 8,000 people.
02:19:19.000And the same thing is happening with money as it is with life and everything else, is that people are jumping to the next safest, and all they're doing is moving up one deck on the Titanic to a deck that hasn't gone underwater yet.
02:19:33.000And hoping that their kids live to miss the next big wave.
02:19:38.000That they get to stay alive and die before all the shit hits the fan again.
02:19:46.000Does it have to completely flatline and then rebuild?
02:19:50.000It won't be flatline across the board.
02:19:52.000When the Roman Empire collapsed, there were some small towns that survived its pockets, you know, of wisdom and, you know, where some civilization was held for a while.
02:20:02.000There are going to be places around the world that by virtue of climate, their orientation to permaculture, sustainable economies, and the skill sets they have that will fare better than other regions.
02:20:16.000I think basically the people in the cities are fucked, and if you stay in the big city, you're gonna be fucked.
02:21:31.000Am I going to be alive to see this new civilization emerge?
02:21:34.000I'm seeing this happen much, much faster than I thought it would.
02:21:37.000Especially with the deterioration of the quality of U.S. government and the legality or honorable nature of the U.S. government and the economic situation.
02:21:48.000Does it disturb you when you see Obama looking confident and talking about his legacy as a president?
02:21:54.000And disturb you to see, like, this unaware motherfucker.
02:23:13.000They're working outside of the economic system.
02:23:15.000They're learning skills that they're going to need, that we're all going to need at some point, to learn how to live with less power and things like that.
02:23:21.000And this movement is, we have a directory on CollapseNet, the lighthouse directory, absolutely free.
02:23:29.000And you go in and you look around this directory and you realize that all over the world there's all kinds of people working really hard and have been for quite some time to prepare to transit, to live outside.
02:23:42.000Of the infinite growth paradigm after peak oil.
02:23:45.000And it can be done, but you have to do it in small groups.
02:23:48.000But then you have to be worried about being raided by mad hordes of fucking scoundrels and zombies.
02:23:58.000Most of the zombies I don't think will ever get out of the big cities because so many people are so out of touch.
02:24:03.000So the big cities would just be like die-offs, giant die-offs, just like they were for the Mayans, right?
02:24:08.000The Mayans left the giant temples behind, and when they discovered them hundreds of years later, they were covered in trees.
02:24:13.000And there are people who have been putting a lot of time into thinking about how to defend what they have if people come and try to take it.
02:24:20.000So, what do you think about the, I guess it was the ATF saying that they were going to stop people with medical marijuana prescriptions from buying new guns.
02:24:29.000They weren't going to allow you if you get a prescription for medical marijuana to own a gun, which is hilarious.
02:24:35.000I mean, I live in Sonoma County, which is a legal grow county.
02:30:27.000And I went down to San Jose and met with Danny, and she gave me like 2,000 plus pages of Army records redacted, you know, with all the black spots.
02:30:37.000And so I spent the night copying those, every one of them in perfect order.
02:31:44.000And a lot of crimes were covered with that.
02:31:47.000That was just a horrendous miscarriage.
02:31:48.000Did you believe that it was an accident, or do you believe that they killed him on purpose because he was being very outspoken about his...
02:31:55.000What I believe is, and I think enough time has passed where I can say this, and again, I know a great many people in the service, and I know Special Forces, I know Rangers, and I know a lot of guys.
02:33:18.000But not premeditated murder in that sense.
02:33:22.000But what we do know is that what the Army did after that, they destroyed evidence, they burned his clothing, they immediately started the write-up for a silver star, and all of that criminality that followed rather than admit that he was killed in a friendly fire accident by his own people.
02:33:37.000So were you the catalyst that forced them to admit that it was friendly fire?
02:33:47.000In other words, I put my money and my balls on the line and gave Stan Goff everything he needed to write a seven-part series that tore the U.S. Army and Donald Rumsfeld, New Assholes.
02:33:57.000So you published it in From the Wilderness?
02:34:00.000It's still on the website to this day, all seven parts.
02:34:03.000And when we were in, just ready to publish part five, my offices were burglarized.
02:34:08.000All seven of my computers were smashed.
02:34:10.000One of my employees turned out, a woman turned out to be trying to set me up on a sexual harassment charge.
02:34:15.000There was a forged police report, falsified police report connected to this.
02:34:19.000So you weren't trying to show her your balls?
02:34:56.000When computers were smashed, my life was in danger and it was obvious.
02:35:00.000The only thing that could have prevented us from finishing the Tillman series would have been my death.
02:35:07.000I knew that they were coming after me, and so I went to Venezuela because Hugo Chavez had spent the last four years going like that to George Bush and Dick Cheney.
02:35:16.000Did you actually hang out with Hugo Chavez?
02:36:27.000But we got Tillman out and Tillman was published and right after Donald Rumsfeld resigned I flew back to Canada then I came back to New York and stayed in Brooklyn for 14 months before I came back out to Venice.
02:36:39.000So were you just moving around just because you were worried about someone finding where you were?
02:36:44.000No, I, you know, Venezuela was a very specific purpose because, you know, I was, we had something huge with Tillman and I was firmly convinced they were going to kill me.
02:37:04.000I came into an inheritance from my father that I had to fight for for three years, but in 2008. And I had this time, this first time in like 30 fucking years of fighting.
02:37:13.000To breathe and catch my breath where I didn't have to worry about shit.
02:37:16.000And so I kind of caught up with myself.
02:37:18.000You know, it's like you stop long enough and then all the shit you did for like the last three catches up and you absorb it.
02:37:24.000And then it was right about then that Cynthia McKinney, my friend, former black congresswoman from Georgia, Atlanta, very dear friend, she was the Green Party nominee, and she mentioned that she might like to have me be her running mate in 2008. I said, are you out of your mind?
02:37:43.000But that's when I decided, well, we need a presidential energy policy.
02:37:47.000This needs to get put into the peak oil and all the issues about this.
02:37:50.000And that became my book, Confronting Collapse.
02:37:52.000But then Chris Smith showed up from Blue Mark Films also in February of 2009. And said, hey, we'd kind of like to make a movie.
02:38:31.000I would be sitting there and I would just cut.
02:38:33.000They'd bring in a blanket, put two butane heaters next to me until the color came back, and then pull it out and then they'd start shooting again.
02:38:39.000I did that once when I was working for Dave Chappelle.
02:38:50.000And we were doing this in a warehouse in Brooklyn, and it was fucking freezing, man.
02:38:54.000And we all, like, huddled in front of these blast furnaces, and then I would have to get out there in a short-sleeved shirt, you know, or whatever the fuck I was wearing at the time, and be like I was on Fear Factor.
02:39:31.000Do you feel at a certain point in time obligated to disseminate this information?
02:39:36.000Oh, this is the Three Stooges school of spiritual evolution.
02:39:40.000I mean, it's like, I have no doubt that something larger than me tapped me and gave you the ball.
02:39:49.000Yeah, and has kept me and sustained me and really kind of made jokes of any other plans that I had along the way for what I thought I wanted to do with my life.
02:39:58.000And I'm really aware of that now and I'm living that, you know, spiritually connected to the fact that, you know, there is something really good out here.
02:40:06.000There is something that's showing itself on this planet now.
02:40:10.000That's just and that it's fair and that it's loving and it does have power.
02:40:14.000It's like watching The Matrix, you know, when The Matrix starts and the little bits of light start coming through and, you know, and all these people out here in the world right now, they're living in a matrix that's falling apart exactly like it did in the movie.
02:40:28.000It's like, oh, wait a minute, there's a big hole in that building over there and that's metaphorically what we're seeing happen all around us.
02:40:35.000And there's a lot of people Who really get that they're in a matrix and are starting to move out, and there's others who are equally moved to try and go back and reinforce it.
02:40:44.000And those are people making their own choices, I think, about which way they're going to go.
02:41:10.000It's an amazing time to be at the point in human history and the history of this planet and the history of, you know, It's all very strange that it's all taking place in our lifetime right now.
02:41:26.000I hope we all keep our eyes open because even though these are the darkest of times, this is also an age of miracles and we need to just keep ourselves open to the expectation.
02:41:37.000Good things can happen without our permission.
02:41:39.000There's a lot of other wisdom out here.
02:41:42.000There's a lot of light showing through.
02:41:44.000And that's one of the reasons why Occupy just makes my toes wiggle.
02:41:47.000There's never been a time in human history where the access to information is easier.
02:41:51.000And when the access to information is easy, people can get the truth out.
02:41:54.000When people can get the truth out and they can get ideas out and they can get...
02:41:57.000An ideology of happiness and of sustaining your environment and of subsistence and of community and of love and friendship.
02:42:07.000It's very possible to foster that and grow.
02:42:09.000You know, we don't have to all be conquerors.
02:42:11.000We don't have to be all cunts raping the world.
02:42:15.000We can just be human beings and enjoy our time here because it is in fact temporary and like all sort of patterns of behavior that people get stuck in whether it's fucking gambling or Excessive masturbation or whatever the fuck you get hooked on.
02:42:29.000You can also get hooked on running the world.
02:42:31.000You can also get hooked on fucking over the world.