The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1727 - Rob Kearney

00:00:12.000 He's obsessed.

00:00:13.000 It's kind of interesting to watch because he never used to play golf.

00:00:17.000 To be fair, I have a pretty terrible golf swing, though.

00:00:20.000 I don't have much of a backswing.

00:00:22.000 Yeah, I hit the ground most.

00:00:23.000 I've done that top golf place, but I just whacked the ground.

00:00:27.000 It's not good.

00:00:28.000 I'm scared of golf.

00:00:30.000 When I see Jamie full-on, completely obsessed six months in, I'm like, that's what I thought.

00:00:35.000 That's what happens to people. 1.00

00:00:37.000 I don't want that shit. 1.00

00:00:38.000 I don't have any time. 1.00

00:00:39.000 And it's deceivingly expensive.

00:00:41.000 Is it?

00:00:41.000 Really?

00:00:41.000 Well, yeah, like every time you go out, it's, you know, depending on the course you play, it's anywhere between like 80 and 150 bucks every time you go play.

00:00:48.000 And if you suck like I do, you're losing, you know, a dozen golf balls every time you play as well.

00:00:52.000 And a lot of people gamble as well. 0.99

00:00:54.000 True. 1.00

00:00:54.000 So if you suck and gamble and then you drink. 1.00

00:00:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:58.000 Well, the thing that freaks me out is the cost of time.

00:01:02.000 Yeah, because it's, I mean, four hours at least.

00:01:05.000 Yeah, at least.

00:01:06.000 Jamie, what do you do?

00:01:06.000 Like, what's a normal day?

00:01:07.000 If you suck, I found out. 0.99

00:01:08.000 That's why it takes so long. 1.00

00:01:11.000 What's your longest day?

00:01:12.000 The longest is over, it's five and a half hours, I think.

00:01:15.000 And that's just the round.

00:01:16.000 That doesn't include the, you know, half an hour to hour warm-up.

00:01:19.000 Oh, see, I don't warm up.

00:01:22.000 I use the first, like, six holes as a warm-up.

00:01:24.000 I've started, I kind of like, it's a waste of time if you can't warm up.

00:01:27.000 But I've also played as fast as an hour and 20 minutes.

00:01:29.000 How does one warm up for golf?

00:01:31.000 It's like a driving range.

00:01:32.000 It depends on what you need to do, but you almost want to have to putt.

00:01:35.000 You need to get a couple putts in, because that's completely different than driving and hitting hard.

00:01:40.000 And that's half of your shots are going to be putting.

00:01:42.000 More than half for me. 1.00

00:01:43.000 Most people fuck up. 1.00

00:01:45.000 You need a couple chips, and then you gotta get your body warm. 1.00

00:01:48.000 Literally, the pros go warm up for an hour and a half to two to three hours, swinging, doing lots of stuff.

00:01:54.000 That makes sense athletically, because if you're going to train jiu-jitsu or something like that, you have to warm up.

00:02:00.000 Do you warm up before you lift?

00:02:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:02.000 By the way, you're looking extra swole, son. 1.00

00:02:04.000 Thanks, man.

00:02:05.000 I know.

00:02:05.000 I was talking to my friends.

00:02:06.000 They're like, oh, you look huge.

00:02:07.000 I'm like, no, I'm actually less fat.

00:02:08.000 That's what it is.

00:02:09.000 Oh, everything pops out more.

00:02:11.000 You recovered from surgery, huh?

00:02:14.000 What did you have done? 1.00

00:02:15.000 Dude, I've had a shit year. 1.00

00:02:16.000 Yeah? 0.99

00:02:17.000 So, just over a year ago, I ruptured my tricep on my left arm.

00:02:21.000 Yikes.

00:02:22.000 Was attempting the Log Press World Record.

00:02:24.000 What is the world record?

00:02:26.000 So, the show was to attempt the world record.

00:02:29.000 I failed at 485 pounds, which would have been a new American record. 0.96

00:02:34.000 That's when my tricep decided to, you know, crap out. 0.73

00:02:37.000 So, what did it do? 0.92

00:02:38.000 Like, separate from the bone?

00:02:39.000 Oh, no.

00:02:39.000 Like, my tendon exploded.

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:44.000 So, typically, like when a tendon tears, it's kind of like a piece of paper, throw a couple of stitches in it, and then, you know, anchor it into the bone.

00:02:51.000 The doctor, first thing he said when I woke up was, so, when I opened up your arm, I literally had to take a step back and rethink everything I was going to do, because it was that much worse.

00:03:02.000 But didn't he have an MRI to go by?

00:03:05.000 Yeah, but like, so the MRI, it showed that it was torn, but he didn't know to like what extent.

00:03:10.000 And when he got in there, he realized that literally, he said it looked like a firecracker had gone off in my tendon.

00:03:15.000 So it took 14 sutures to put my tendon back together into something he could even attach to my elbow.

00:03:21.000 And then another four anchors into my elbow that he had to drill in. 0.79

00:03:24.000 And what was the recovery like?

00:03:26.000 I mean, I still can't straighten my arm out all the way.

00:03:28.000 Oh, really?

00:03:29.000 And I got this really cute dimple now.

00:03:31.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:32.000 That's gnarly.

00:03:33.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 Nasty scar.

00:03:34.000 Are you going to put a tattoo on it and make it like a snake or something? 0.83

00:03:37.000 That's what I'm thinking, yeah.

00:03:38.000 I mean, I feel like a snake is too cliche.

00:03:40.000 Maybe a fuse.

00:03:42.000 That could be it.

00:03:42.000 For your forearm.

00:03:43.000 A bomb-ass forearm. 0.99

00:03:44.000 My husband goes, you should make it a sperm. 0.99

00:03:46.000 I was like, oh, we're not.

00:03:49.000 With his name attached to it?

00:03:51.000 It's like, we can just not do that.

00:03:54.000 There's like no need. 1.00

00:03:56.000 How many people have fucking sperm tattooed on their body? 1.00

00:03:58.000 That might be like the least tattooed thing ever. 1.00

00:04:00.000 It might be. 0.98

00:04:01.000 I mean, I'm gay and I don't even want a sperm tattooed on my body. 0.99

00:04:03.000 It's probably a girl, like sad girls. 1.00

00:04:07.000 The ones that definitely have daddy issues. 1.00

00:04:09.000 Oh yeah.

00:04:10.000 You know the Sublime Son?

00:04:12.000 Those are sperm.

00:04:14.000 Maybe a lot of people have sperm on their body and they might not even know it. 0.99

00:04:17.000 Why does Sublime Sun have sperm? 1.00

00:04:19.000 I listened to the artist to describe it.

00:04:22.000 It's like sperm attacking an egg kind of is what the idea is.

00:04:25.000 Oh, so it's not a sun at all.

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 Correctly, yeah.

00:04:28.000 That's a mushroom in the middle.

00:04:30.000 Oh, but a skull.

00:04:32.000 There's a lot going on.

00:04:33.000 That's a very busy picture.

00:04:34.000 There is.

00:04:35.000 That's very busy.

00:04:36.000 Look, it's got Satan in there. 0.99

00:04:38.000 I never looked at the fucking Sublime thing. 0.99

00:04:40.000 There's a pocket knife in there. 0.99

00:04:41.000 That's a fish skeleton.

00:04:42.000 Last fun story, the singer bought it for $150 and it's become the most recognizable band merch thing.

00:04:50.000 No, it's not.

00:04:51.000 The Rolling Stones is the most recognizable.

00:04:54.000 I know, over time overall, but they sold more merch than Nirvana last year.

00:04:59.000 Like, they were number one.

00:04:59.000 Really?

00:05:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:05:00.000 Damn. 1.00

00:05:00.000 At least for 2020. But they have a new lead singer now, right? 1.00

00:05:04.000 That's different.

00:05:04.000 It's almost like a cover band.

00:05:07.000 Really?

00:05:07.000 Yeah.

00:05:08.000 So is it a Sublime cover band with Sublime as the band?

00:05:13.000 Yes.

00:05:14.000 How does that work?

00:05:15.000 That's confusing.

00:05:16.000 But, like, ACDC did that.

00:05:19.000 They had an original lead singer, and then they swapped out.

00:05:22.000 It has to do with the rights of the band and some other things.

00:05:24.000 Oh.

00:05:25.000 Because before that even happened, there was a cover band literally touring and made more money than the band Sublime had ever made touring, just as a cover band.

00:05:35.000 So I think they sort of realized the business was there.

00:05:36.000 How does that make you feel?

00:05:37.000 Well, we have a thing for romantic stories where, like, someone dies doing heroin.

00:05:43.000 That's, for whatever reason, that's a romantic one.

00:05:46.000 Yeah.

00:05:46.000 You know?

00:05:46.000 I can see that.

00:05:47.000 Yeah, right?

00:05:48.000 Like, bands that, like...

00:05:49.000 He was one of them, yeah.

00:05:50.000 I mean, think about how many... 0.99

00:05:52.000 Fucking genius band people. 0.99

00:05:55.000 Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Hendrix. 1.00

00:05:59.000 Well, Kurt Cobain's suicide, but heroin probably had a part in that.

00:06:03.000 Unless you believe the rumors that Courtney Cobain had him killed.

00:06:07.000 Or Courtney Love.

00:06:08.000 There was a whole documentary on that.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, I don't know if I believe it.

00:06:11.000 I don't know if I believe it either.

00:06:12.000 I watched the documentary.

00:06:14.000 Still not sold.

00:06:15.000 I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole.

00:06:17.000 I'm like, you guys are leaping to a lot of conclusions.

00:06:19.000 But it was one of those documentaries, too, where they had reenactments by actors.

00:06:25.000 Oh, the dramatization.

00:06:26.000 Not a fan of those.

00:06:27.000 No.

00:06:28.000 It takes you out of the fantasy of it being a documentary in the first place.

00:06:32.000 Especially when you're talking about a dead guy.

00:06:33.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 How do you know what happened there?

00:06:35.000 It kind of kills it.

00:06:36.000 No pun intended.

00:06:38.000 Aha! 0.94

00:06:39.000 So the thing explodes.

00:06:42.000 And when it does explode, what does it look like on your arm?

00:06:45.000 Does it pull up?

00:06:46.000 So yeah, there was some recoiling going on.

00:06:49.000 And literally, like he said, there was just like tendon fragments strewn about in my arms.

00:06:53.000 Fragments?

00:06:53.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 Literally like a bomb.

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:55.000 Is that just because of the weight of the log?

00:06:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:57.000 I mean, when you're trying to press 485 pounds overhead and your body says, fuck no, it just goes. 0.99

00:07:02.000 And what do you weigh, about 240? 0.98

00:07:04.000 280. 280. Yeah.

00:07:06.000 So that's...

00:07:06.000 That's 200 pounds over my body weight.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:09.000 That's a lot of weight.

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 So the rehab is going well for that.

00:07:12.000 And then like...

00:07:13.000 Is this you doing it?

00:07:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:14.000 Is this when it blows out?

00:07:15.000 No.

00:07:16.000 So this is when I actually broke the record.

00:07:18.000 So I had already had the American record at this point.

00:07:22.000 And then got the chance.

00:07:24.000 So this was like all COVID times.

00:07:25.000 So we did like virtual record breakers. 0.98

00:07:28.000 Why is the judge such an attention whore? 1.00

00:07:30.000 He was in Lithuania for this. 0.99

00:07:33.000 Oh, okay.

00:07:33.000 Kind of looks like a white supremacist there, though.

00:07:35.000 Yeah, where's it going?

00:07:36.000 Sieg Heiland.

00:07:38.000 So yeah, that was 475. So much weight.

00:07:41.000 Now, when they do the logs, like, did they put weight inside the log?

00:07:46.000 Oh, and the ends of the logs.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:48.000 So the log itself weighs, like, I think that weighed like 160 pounds or so.

00:07:52.000 And then we had to add 25s and stuff to the end of it.

00:07:56.000 To get it to the contest. 0.97

00:07:57.000 There's something very primal about lifting a fucking log, too, right? 0.99

00:08:01.000 I mean, that's the sport of strongman, right? 0.99

00:08:03.000 Like, we lift stones and logs and, like, carry shit on our back. 0.98

00:08:07.000 Like, that's just what the sport is. 0.98

00:08:09.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 And so the elbow just... 0.82

00:08:12.000 Totally shit the bed.

00:08:14.000 And how long did it take before you could lift again? 0.99

00:08:17.000 So I was like back in the gym within like two weeks doing lower body stuff.

00:08:22.000 But the biggest, the hardest part was like getting range of motion back, like trying to flex my elbow again.

00:08:26.000 Because when they did the surgery, my arm was bent at 90 degrees.

00:08:29.000 So that was a pretty comfortable position, but getting it to straighten or getting it to bend all the way was horrible.

00:08:34.000 Do they anticipate you'll ever get full range of motion?

00:08:37.000 It's been a year, so here's the weird thing.

00:08:40.000 Nobody can figure this out.

00:08:41.000 If I'm just here to try to raise my arm, that's as much as I get.

00:08:45.000 But if I'm pressing, like if I'm bench pressing or overhead pressing, I can get to full extension.

00:08:50.000 Press this cup.

00:08:51.000 I think it might be too light.

00:08:54.000 Can you pretend?

00:08:56.000 This is where I get hurt.

00:08:57.000 Oh, this is where it blows out?

00:08:58.000 Yeah, you'll see that in the left arm. 1.00

00:09:00.000 It's the same fucking Hitler guy. 1.00

00:09:00.000 Yeah, same dude. 1.00

00:09:02.000 And there it goes.

00:09:03.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:09:05.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:09:07.000 And, like, you know, I'm a certified athletic trainer. 1.00

00:09:09.000 Like, I have a master's degree in sports medicine.

00:09:11.000 So, like, I legit knew right away what had happened.

00:09:15.000 And my husband comes over to me.

00:09:16.000 He's like, what's wrong?

00:09:17.000 I was like, I just tore my tricep.

00:09:18.000 He's like, no, you didn't.

00:09:19.000 I was like, no, I totally did.

00:09:21.000 But you didn't think it was as bad as it was?

00:09:24.000 I mean, I knew it was torn, but, like, I didn't...

00:09:26.000 Yeah, I didn't think it was to that level.

00:09:29.000 Now, what kind of therapy do you do for something like that?

00:09:33.000 Once they reattach it, what's the rehabilitation like?

00:09:36.000 So, I mean, I did a lot of everything.

00:09:38.000 A lot of manual therapy because, like, I produce a lot of scar tissue.

00:09:42.000 Like even now, like my olecranon, like the elbow bone, doesn't feel like my right one.

00:09:48.000 So when you say you produce...

00:09:49.000 Just my body naturally produces a lot of scar tissue.

00:09:52.000 So that was something we battled actually because I was producing too much scar tissue too early in the rehab process that was actually hindering The range of motion gains that I was supposed to be getting.

00:10:02.000 So, a lot of like, Graston cupping.

00:10:07.000 I did like dry needling and acupuncture.

00:10:10.000 And one of the first times I went, the therapist couldn't get the needle through the scar tissue because it was too thick.

00:10:20.000 And the way I describe it to people is, even with me feeling the needles go in, it felt like pushing a needle through rubber.

00:10:28.000 That's how it felt for me, too.

00:10:30.000 I felt the stickiness of it.

00:10:31.000 Do you think that's just because you train so much, so your body's just so used to recovering quickly?

00:10:36.000 I think so, yeah.

00:10:37.000 Must be.

00:10:38.000 Have you talked to other guys that are strong men?

00:10:40.000 Do they have similar situations with scar tissue?

00:10:41.000 Yeah, a lot of us have the scar tissue stuff that goes on.

00:10:44.000 I actually bent a few of the acupuncture needles when I were trying to do them.

00:10:49.000 Like she pulled him out and was like, it was curved.

00:10:51.000 I was like, oh, at least it didn't break off.

00:10:53.000 It's really interesting how the human body adapts to whatever activity you're doing.

00:10:57.000 Like a good friend of mine is a doctor and he worked on David Goggins.

00:11:01.000 And Goggins had to come in because Goggins, they pulled these giant syringes filled with Fluid out of his knee.

00:11:10.000 His knee was destroyed.

00:11:11.000 But he's still running like 100 miles on it, right?

00:11:12.000 Of course.

00:11:13.000 And so the doctor had to trim some of his meniscus. 0.99

00:11:16.000 And as he's trimming the meniscus, he said it bent the fucking blade of the scalpel. 0.99

00:11:21.000 He goes, usually when I cut meniscus, he goes, I'm not telling... 0.99

00:11:25.000 It's like butter.

00:11:25.000 Yeah.

00:11:25.000 It just goes right through.

00:11:27.000 He goes, this shit bent the fucking blade of the scalpel. 1.00

00:11:30.000 I mean... 1.00

00:11:30.000 He goes, I've never even experienced meniscus like this in all my years of practicing medicine. 1.00

00:11:34.000 You have to make Dave Huggins more badass.

00:11:36.000 You add that to the story.

00:11:38.000 It's 100% true.

00:11:41.000 I'm fascinated by the fact that people adapt.

00:11:45.000 The human body is so adaptable, so malleable.

00:11:48.000 It figures out what requirements of it are, and then it just pushes.

00:11:53.000 Did you ever see what Eddie Izzard did?

00:11:55.000 No.

00:11:55.000 He ran around the entire circumference of the UK, and I think he did it in a month.

00:12:02.000 Was it like a month?

00:12:04.000 It was something like a month.

00:12:05.000 I think it was like, well, the first time he did it, he's done it a couple times, 27 in 27 days, and it was like way more than that, and I'll check.

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:12.000 So he wasn't in shape at all.

00:12:15.000 I mean, he just didn't run.

00:12:17.000 He didn't do anything.

00:12:18.000 He said, I'm just going to do this.

00:12:19.000 And along the way, his body starts adapting.

00:12:22.000 So they have this documentary.

00:12:23.000 They follow him with a crew.

00:12:25.000 And he's destroyed.

00:12:27.000 I mean, his feet, they show his foot.

00:12:29.000 He had one day he had to take off because he literally had to have a rest day because the skin on his feet was peeled off.

00:12:37.000 It was all red, raw meat, and they were putting gauze on it and tending to the wounds. 0.99

00:12:44.000 But that fucking savage ran a marathon a day every single day to do this when he wasn't in shape. 0.99

00:12:53.000 I can't even fathom that. 1.00

00:12:53.000 But not in shape. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:12:55.000 So 20 days in, or whatever days in, all of a sudden, he's talking and laughing and having fun. 1.00

00:13:00.000 His body's like, oh, this crazy motherfucker wants to run every day. 0.99

00:13:04.000 I guess this is normal. 1.00

00:13:04.000 Yeah, so he figured out, or his body figured out how to adapt and change. 1.00

00:13:08.000 And I gotta think, with someone like you, Just lifting gigantic shit all the time like everything must be weird in you like your tendons are probably weird You know it's like if someone like went over like you like if they had like a class on Physiology and they had to like examine the human body and you were dead and they would go well They would be like this is an unusual example. 0.99

00:13:30.000 Let's take a look at this motherfucker Like everything like your joints and you I bet your bones are probably crazy super dense. 1.00

00:13:36.000 Yeah Have you ever had them, like, tested? 0.99

00:13:38.000 No, I've never had any of that stuff.

00:13:40.000 How do they do that?

00:13:41.000 I mean, I think there is literally a bone density scan that you can do.

00:13:43.000 There must be something, right?

00:13:45.000 You should do that.

00:13:45.000 That'd be fun.

00:13:46.000 Because, like, we were talking about this, that you're not large for that strongman thing.

00:13:51.000 No, I'm the smallest guy at this level.

00:13:53.000 Which is funny, because you're 280 pounds.

00:13:54.000 Yeah, I know.

00:13:55.000 That's a lot of weight.

00:13:56.000 But, like, I wonder how much of it is, like, your skeleton and how much of it is, like, the density of the tissue and, like, how much adaptation actually takes place.

00:14:06.000 I mean, yeah.

00:14:06.000 And I've also been doing this for 12 years now.

00:14:09.000 You know, I did my first strongman competition when I was 17. Wow.

00:14:12.000 You know, now turning 30 here in a couple weeks.

00:14:14.000 Like, you know, so I've been doing this for a long time.

00:14:17.000 So just...

00:14:18.000 That, like, you know, literal time under tension over the years definitely has to have an effect.

00:14:23.000 That's a young age to do something like that.

00:14:25.000 I would imagine that, like, strong men stuff, like, you know, they talk about, like, old man strength.

00:14:29.000 Yeah.

00:14:30.000 Like, as you get older, I would imagine that would be a better time.

00:14:35.000 Yeah.

00:14:35.000 I mean, you know, for me, it was just I kind of got in with a CrossFit gym.

00:14:39.000 Honestly, that's how I got into strong men.

00:14:42.000 And...

00:14:44.000 They kind of noticed that, you know, he's kind of a chubby, awkward kid that's not terribly athletic, so let's just put him on a barbell and see how much he can lift.

00:14:51.000 Luckily, it worked out pretty well for me.

00:14:54.000 But, I mean, to be fair, like, I still sucked at strongman when I started, too.

00:14:57.000 Like, I did my first competition on about four days' notice.

00:15:00.000 Had never lift a single strongman implement in my life. 0.94

00:15:03.000 Got my ass kicked, but, like, loved it because it was so weird and just so different from anything I've ever done. 0.95

00:15:09.000 Yeah, the one that weirds me out the most is when they throw the barrels. 0.99

00:15:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:14.000 I remember I watched one where the guy got hit.

00:15:16.000 He threw the barrel.

00:15:18.000 He wasn't paying attention.

00:15:19.000 He came back and hit him.

00:15:20.000 Is that dude alive still?

00:15:21.000 He is.

00:15:22.000 Really?

00:15:22.000 Yeah.

00:15:23.000 Luckily, it was an empty keg.

00:15:25.000 It was only a pony cake.

00:15:26.000 It was like a half cake. 0.99

00:15:27.000 What the fuck ever. 0.99

00:15:27.000 How much does that weigh? 0.99

00:15:29.000 I think it's about like 15 to 20 pounds.

00:15:31.000 20 pounds. 1.00

00:15:32.000 Still dropping from 30 feet on your fucking head. 1.00

00:15:34.000 That's not good. 1.00

00:15:36.000 There was actually a video that, you know, all these gym fail pages and stuff like that.

00:15:41.000 There was one, we're doing sandbag tosses now, so it's these small sandbags.

00:15:45.000 And this girl threw one up in the air and she has her arm raised and she's celebrating and the bed comes down around her head like a necklace and just clotheslines her to the floor. 0.57

00:15:56.000 Luckily she was okay but it was really funny to watch.

00:15:58.000 But I hear that and I see a video like that I just think blown out discs and years of physical therapy and never being the same again and oh I'm fine but she's not fine.

00:16:08.000 Par for the course.

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 It's a crazy sport.

00:16:11.000 Are you back to 100% now with that left arm?

00:16:14.000 No.

00:16:15.000 I would say my left arm is probably 75-80%.

00:16:18.000 I'm closing in on a 400-pound overhead again after a year of rehab and stuff like that.

00:16:24.000 But to be honest, this entire year from the time of this tricep has just been shitty health-wise for me because about four and a half months ago, I got testicular cancer. 0.98

00:16:33.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:16:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:34.000 So I had to deal with that, too. 1.00

00:16:36.000 What happened there?

00:16:37.000 I lost a nut. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Damn. 1.00

00:16:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:39.000 My buddy Duncan lost a nut. 1.00

00:16:41.000 And my buddy Tom Green.

00:16:43.000 It was crazy. 1.00

00:16:45.000 You're a fucking young guy. 1.00

00:16:46.000 29, like, no family history of it. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Like, it wasn't even a thought.

00:16:51.000 I was actually getting ready for World's Strongest Man.

00:16:54.000 Had like a super heavy squat and deadlift session one day and I was wearing like a squat suit and a deadlift suit.

00:16:59.000 So like those things are super uncomfortable.

00:17:02.000 What is a squat suit?

00:17:03.000 It literally is like this, I say elastic, but it's just a super thick suit that you wear that pretty much aids in the lift, right?

00:17:12.000 Like if you've ever seen guys wear like a bent shirt, you know, it's the same thing, but for a squat movement and a deadlift movement.

00:17:19.000 So, like, everything gets just jumbled up in there.

00:17:22.000 And it's just disgustingly uncomfortable.

00:17:25.000 So, like, the next day, I kind of had some, like, pain in my groin.

00:17:28.000 And I was like, eh, it's probably just from the session yesterday.

00:17:31.000 But it, like, kind of got more intense and was, like, shooting up kind of into my abdomen.

00:17:34.000 I was like, eh, something may be wrong here.

00:17:36.000 So I checked it out.

00:17:38.000 And the thing is, like, when people say testicular cancer, they're like, oh, like, you'll feel a lump.

00:17:43.000 Mine felt, like, legit like a tiny hard string.

00:17:47.000 Like it was nothing crazy.

00:17:49.000 And I was like, okay, like this is a little weird.

00:17:51.000 And we're about three, four weeks before World's Strongest Man.

00:17:54.000 So I'm like, okay, I have my physical coming up.

00:17:56.000 Let me get a check then.

00:17:58.000 Within a week, it had grown to like the size of a dime.

00:18:02.000 Whoa.

00:18:03.000 And then they were like, yeah, okay, with that kind of growth, we need to get you checked out.

00:18:07.000 Gets me an ultrasound the week later.

00:18:08.000 Now it's the size of like a quarter.

00:18:10.000 And this is on a two.

00:18:11.000 So this, I go in on a Tuesday for my ultrasound.

00:18:14.000 Then they're like, okay, well, you need to go to an oncologist, right?

00:18:18.000 So I was like, okay, well, that's like, never having cancer or anything, that's probably the weirdest and most emotional phone call to make, right? 0.94

00:18:27.000 Like when you're like, well, shit, I'm 29, I have to schedule an oncology appointment. 0.70

00:18:33.000 So I get in for that Thursday. 0.99

00:18:36.000 The doctor comes in.

00:18:37.000 I have Joey, my husband, with me.

00:18:39.000 He literally walks in, puts the paper down. 1.00

00:18:40.000 He's like, okay, so you're going to come in on Tuesday and we're going to remove your testicle. 0.99

00:18:44.000 I was like, okay, zero to 100 real quick. 0.99

00:18:48.000 What is the explanation for the speed of the growth?

00:18:51.000 Because I thought cancer was like a slow progression and you could treat it.

00:18:56.000 Because there's so much hormonal activity in the testes, you know, like testosterone.

00:19:01.000 Especially yours.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 Testosterone is extremely anabolic.

00:19:06.000 Anabolics make things grow. 1.00

00:19:07.000 Oh, so it makes cancer grow too?

00:19:10.000 Exactly.

00:19:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:14.000 So as your body is recovering and you get all that test flow, it's actually...

00:19:19.000 Growing cancer.

00:19:20.000 The piggyback effect.

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 Is that what's happening?

00:19:23.000 Pretty much, yeah.

00:19:24.000 Cancer's piggybacking on your testosterone? 0.89

00:19:25.000 Yeah.

00:19:26.000 Wow.

00:19:28.000 How long before it became the size of a quarter?

00:19:30.000 It was another week.

00:19:31.000 So this is like two weeks.

00:19:32.000 It goes from the size of a string to the size of a quarter.

00:19:34.000 That's insane.

00:19:35.000 So it just happens out of nowhere?

00:19:37.000 And then from that Thursday to the time I go into surgery, the...

00:19:41.000 By the time they removed everything, they measured it and tested the sample, it was actually just under the size of a half dollar.

00:19:46.000 And that was, like, another five days.

00:19:49.000 Wow!

00:19:50.000 So, like, testicular cancer can grow at an insanely high rate.

00:19:54.000 Dudes all across the world right now are checking their nuts.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I will say, like, the coolest thing is, like, you know, I kind of put everything out there on social media, you know, between YouTube and Instagram and stuff like that.

00:20:04.000 And the coolest thing was just, like, I shared my story about it because, like, I never thought I'd be going through this.

00:20:10.000 And just kind of saying like, this is what I found.

00:20:12.000 This is how I found it.

00:20:13.000 You know, just dudes, check yourself.

00:20:16.000 Super easy.

00:20:17.000 I had like legit five or six people find out that they had testicular cancer because I was just kind of candid with what I was going through.

00:20:23.000 It's pretty common.

00:20:24.000 Super common.

00:20:25.000 And I'm kind of in the sweet spot, right?

00:20:27.000 Like they say like between the ages of like 25 and 40 are where you're most likely going to get it.

00:20:32.000 Really?

00:20:33.000 Yeah.

00:20:34.000 That's so weird.

00:20:36.000 Yeah.

00:20:36.000 Does it have to do with testosterone?

00:20:38.000 I think so.

00:20:39.000 Yeah, I think it's just like the growth rate and like, you know, hormone maturity kind of in that age range.

00:20:45.000 Isn't it weird that there's like certain organs and certain parts of people's bodies that like regularly get cancer?

00:20:52.000 Like women get regular ovarian cancer is very common.

00:20:55.000 Or breast cancer.

00:20:56.000 Breast cancer, very common.

00:20:57.000 With dudes, it's nut cancer.

00:20:58.000 Yeah, or prostate.

00:20:59.000 Yeah, prostate cancer.

00:21:00.000 It's weird how common it is.

00:21:02.000 But what's crazy is, too, what I didn't realize is testicular cancer can actually travel up the lymph nodes into the abdomen.

00:21:07.000 And, like, it can become, like, colon cancer really quickly.

00:21:11.000 Right?

00:21:12.000 So, like, that's why they act so fast on it.

00:21:15.000 So, like, before I even had surgery, like, I had to get a CT scan, like, with the dye and everything to make sure there was no metastasis or anything like that.

00:21:22.000 Luckily, there wasn't any.

00:21:24.000 Now, did they give you any instructions about changing your diet or anything like that?

00:21:29.000 No.

00:21:30.000 No?

00:21:30.000 No.

00:21:31.000 Because it was stage one.

00:21:32.000 Okay.

00:21:33.000 Right?

00:21:33.000 So there was, pretty much what they told me was a crapshoot that I got it.

00:21:38.000 Like, they didn't really give me a rhyme or reason as to why I may have gotten cancer.

00:21:43.000 Hmm.

00:21:45.000 Yeah.

00:21:46.000 So it's just, you might get it, you might not.

00:21:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:50.000 That's so fucked. 1.00

00:21:51.000 Right? 1.00

00:21:52.000 Yeah, because it's like if there was something preventable, like if you get lung cancer and you smoke cigarettes, like, hey.

00:21:57.000 You kind of know why you got it.

00:21:58.000 You know why you got it.

00:21:58.000 Yeah.

00:21:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 But nut cancer out of nowhere.

00:22:01.000 Just kind of, yeah.

00:22:02.000 Just happens.

00:22:03.000 Wow.

00:22:04.000 And so they remove a ball.

00:22:06.000 Did you put a fake one in?

00:22:08.000 No.

00:22:08.000 You know, so here's the thing with that.

00:22:10.000 Like, one, it's kind of expensive because it's cosmetic, right?

00:22:12.000 Really?

00:22:13.000 It's not covered by insurance.

00:22:14.000 Don't you just stick a little rubber one in there? 0.84

00:22:16.000 That's what I, well, I didn't even know there were prosthetic nuts.

00:22:19.000 They have them for dogs, too.

00:22:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:21.000 Which is the dumbest shit. 1.00

00:22:22.000 But, like, I'm kind of a smartass. 1.00

00:22:24.000 And, like, I decided to have...

00:22:25.000 Like, I'm in this moment where I'm in this doctor's appointment.

00:22:27.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm having a nut removed in, like, four days.

00:22:31.000 My husband's sitting behind me.

00:22:32.000 I was like, okay.

00:22:33.000 So the doctor's like, oh, like, you know, let's do an exam.

00:22:36.000 Do you want him to leave?

00:22:37.000 I was like, it's nothing he's never seen before.

00:22:39.000 So he's fine.

00:22:42.000 And then he's like, oh, like, do you want a prosthetic?

00:22:43.000 Like, it'd be easier to put one in while we're in there.

00:22:45.000 I was like, didn't know that was an option.

00:22:47.000 So he takes some out and shows me some.

00:22:50.000 And so my mind starts going, I'm like, got any of that are like glow in the dark?

00:22:55.000 What does a fake nut look like when it's on the table?

00:22:57.000 It looks like a silicone.

00:22:58.000 It's like a little silicone implant.

00:23:00.000 Oh, like a breast implant. 0.64

00:23:01.000 Yeah, same kind of material.

00:23:02.000 So clear.

00:23:03.000 They don't have glow-in-the-dark nuts.

00:23:06.000 Nor do they have Bluetooth.

00:23:07.000 You wanted a Bluetooth nut?

00:23:09.000 Yeah.

00:23:09.000 How cool would that be?

00:23:10.000 Then Bill Gates would be sending you messages.

00:23:13.000 I'm more thinking of like, we're going to bed and I put Eye of the Tiger on.

00:23:20.000 Well, you can get glow-in-the-dark tattoos. 0.87

00:23:22.000 You can get your nuts tattooed. 0.56

00:23:24.000 Oh, true. 0.99

00:23:25.000 That would hurt.

00:23:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:27.000 I mean, I only have one now, so it'll only be a singular nut.

00:23:29.000 Well, you can get your fake nut sack, like, if you want to put one in there.

00:23:33.000 But that's the thing.

00:23:34.000 After you take one out, like, the other one starts centralizing and growing a little bit.

00:23:38.000 Really?

00:23:38.000 So I have, like, a cyclops sack.

00:23:39.000 Oh, interesting.

00:23:40.000 You should measure it.

00:23:42.000 How much bigger is it than it used to be?

00:23:44.000 I didn't get a control measurement prior to the removal.

00:23:47.000 That would have been interesting.

00:23:48.000 I know.

00:23:48.000 Interesting data.

00:23:50.000 Like, you found out your sack gained 30%.

00:23:53.000 How much bigger do you think it is?

00:23:56.000 I don't think I've noticed it much as of yet, because it's only been about four months.

00:24:00.000 They say it takes probably about a year for me to notice it kind of migrating.

00:24:04.000 It hasn't reached its full form.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, no.

00:24:08.000 And so it picks up the pace.

00:24:09.000 Hey Rob, would you talk about Joe Rogan?

00:24:11.000 No, my nuts.

00:24:12.000 And glow in the dark.

00:24:14.000 So it picks up the pace?

00:24:16.000 Yeah, so it's pretty much standard.

00:24:19.000 It picks up the slack for the lack of the other one.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, so my friend Duncan got his wife pregnant after he had the nut removed.

00:24:26.000 Yeah, super.

00:24:27.000 Everything's fine.

00:24:29.000 So your test levels basically stay the same?

00:24:31.000 Yeah.

00:24:32.000 Wow.

00:24:33.000 You know, now it's just like going through, you know, so luckily I didn't have to do chemo or radiation or anything like that because it was stage one.

00:24:39.000 So now it's just like we're doing what's called active monitoring. 0.99

00:24:44.000 Why can't they just take the piece of the nut that's fucked? 0.97

00:24:47.000 Because it's one organ, so they just have to take everything out. 0.99

00:24:51.000 And they don't even biopsy it, right?

00:24:53.000 So if you have a growth on your nut, they're just going to go and take it out.

00:24:56.000 Really? 0.83

00:24:57.000 Yeah, because the attempt to biopsy it, from what I understand, it damages the testicle if you attempt to biopsy it. 0.95

00:25:04.000 So if you take a chunk out of your nut.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, and what's weird is when they take it out, They don't go through your sac.

00:25:10.000 It's like a hernia surgery.

00:25:11.000 They go through your pant line and then go down.

00:25:13.000 Oh, why?

00:25:14.000 Yeah, because all the organs and things that come with it have to come out.

00:25:19.000 So like the epididymis, they have to take the lymph nodes associated with that testy.

00:25:24.000 All that stuff has to come out as well.

00:25:25.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:25:26.000 So you don't just lose the testicle. 0.99

00:25:28.000 You lose all the cargo. 0.99

00:25:29.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 Do they put that on a plate so you can get a look at it after it's over?

00:25:32.000 No, I didn't get to see any of it.

00:25:34.000 I would have liked to look at that.

00:25:35.000 I mean, that's what I was saying.

00:25:36.000 I was like, can I get the nut back and make a necklace or something?

00:25:38.000 Yeah, formaldehyde.

00:25:39.000 Have it on your drawer next to your office or something.

00:25:43.000 You know?

00:25:44.000 It's like, it was yours.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 Well, now it's theirs.

00:25:48.000 So, the test levels stay the same.

00:25:50.000 Yep.

00:25:51.000 And do you have no noticeable difference in, like, the way you feel or anything?

00:25:54.000 No, I feel good.

00:25:55.000 Other than your underwear fit a little different?

00:25:57.000 Yeah, I mean, I will say, like, it was a big, like, psychological moment for me to actually, like...

00:26:02.000 Feel it again.

00:26:03.000 Like actually put my hand on myself again.

00:26:06.000 Because I've lived 29 years with two of them.

00:26:08.000 Now I only have one.

00:26:10.000 Honestly, it took me about a week and a half to two weeks to actually be okay with that.

00:26:15.000 Have you thought about going back and putting a fake one in there?

00:26:25.000 It's just for show.

00:26:29.000 Yeah.

00:26:42.000 It's an odd thing to think that your body turns on you like that. 1.00

00:26:46.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.98

00:26:48.000 Does it make you think about the rest of your body? 0.98

00:26:51.000 I mean, I take care of myself.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, but you've got cancer.

00:26:56.000 That's what's crazy.

00:26:56.000 I do feel pretty good that we had the CT scan and nothing else came up.

00:27:01.000 So we knew it was just stage one and I didn't have to do chemo or anything like that.

00:27:05.000 Now I just have to do regular, like I have a schedule that I have to follow of CT scans and blood work to make sure nothing comes up.

00:27:11.000 And it has nothing to do with diet, nothing to do with anything.

00:27:14.000 No!

00:27:15.000 That's what's crazy.

00:27:16.000 They say that, and I don't know if this is accurate, but they say that ketogenic diets are very good for preventing cancer because there's something about cancer needing glucose to grow, whereas ketones, cancer doesn't grow on ketones,

00:27:31.000 but your body can function better.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, I mean, it makes sense, you know, like, you think fat grows with glucose, so why wouldn't something else that's a little bit more anabolic?

00:27:41.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 So it makes sense physiologically.

00:27:45.000 Yeah.

00:27:45.000 I like carbs.

00:27:46.000 Well, I could imagine.

00:27:48.000 Yeah.

00:27:48.000 When you do that kind of work, I mean, is there anybody that tries to follow a keto diet that does powerlifting or strongman type stuff like you?

00:27:54.000 I mean, you have Mark and Chris Bell.

00:27:57.000 They do the carnivore stuff. 0.98

00:27:58.000 Yeah, but they take carbs. 1.00

00:28:00.000 I see those guys. 1.00

00:28:01.000 They're always eating apples and shit. 1.00

00:28:02.000 Chris eats a lot of fruit. 0.99

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 But they're just doing it for aesthetics.

00:28:09.000 They just look good.

00:28:10.000 They lift weights. 1.00

00:28:12.000 You're involved in serious competition with other gorillas that are trying to pick up super heavy shit. 1.00

00:28:17.000 Much bigger gorillas. 0.99

00:28:18.000 Yeah, I would imagine carbs are almost necessary.

00:28:21.000 Yeah, I mean, they're a staple in every meal.

00:28:24.000 What is your standard diet, like a standard plate for you?

00:28:28.000 What do you eat?

00:28:28.000 Typically like anywhere between one to two cups of rice, depending on the time of day and where my training is at.

00:28:33.000 Eight to ten ounces of meat.

00:28:36.000 And then some veggies.

00:28:38.000 Yeah, Robert Ober said that he's basically rice and meat.

00:28:42.000 Yeah.

00:28:43.000 That's the primary.

00:28:44.000 Is that most strong men?

00:28:45.000 It's the easiest way to get the calories and the nutrients in, right?

00:28:49.000 And then, like, fortunately, you know, because of what we do and the energy expenditure and, like, the time our workouts take, like, we usually get, most guys get a couple of cheat meals a week.

00:28:58.000 That's why we don't look like bodybuilders.

00:29:00.000 Right? 0.97

00:29:00.000 Like, we eat relatively clean, but in order to keep up with what we're doing, you know, I mean, shit, sometimes my workouts take like six hours that I'm at the gym. 0.97

00:29:09.000 Jesus Christ. 0.90

00:29:10.000 You know, so it's like, if I'm there, like, sorry, like, a plate of chicken and rice isn't gonna do it for me after.

00:29:15.000 Right.

00:29:16.000 No, I can only imagine.

00:29:17.000 And I don't think it'd be bad for you guys to have body fat either.

00:29:20.000 It'd probably help.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:21.000 I mean, you don't want anything that reduces your ability to put out strength.

00:29:27.000 And there's nothing about having low body fat that makes you stronger.

00:29:32.000 No, I mean, that's the thing is, like, at the end of the day, we have to be able to perform when we're competing, right?

00:29:37.000 And, like, nothing against bodybuilders, but the performance is aesthetic-based, right?

00:29:42.000 Like, you're standing, you're posing, granted, like...

00:29:44.000 I could never do what they do, mainly because I don't want to.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, you could do it.

00:29:49.000 I could, I just don't want to. 0.99

00:29:52.000 But what we do is we have to be on the stage lifting crazy shit, carrying it, throwing it. 0.97

00:29:59.000 There's a certain level of athleticism and performance that we have to achieve to win. 0.98

00:30:04.000 Yeah, bodybuilding is one of the weirdest sports because when you're seeing them and they're posing, they're on death's door.

00:30:10.000 Oh yeah!

00:30:11.000 Those guys are like literally ready to die.

00:30:13.000 Their kidneys are ready to fail.

00:30:15.000 And people look at them as like the epitome of health at that moment.

00:30:17.000 They're so dehydrated when you see them like that.

00:30:19.000 That's why they're so shredded.

00:30:20.000 Have you ever backstage at those events?

00:30:23.000 Their feet are all cramped up like they can't walk correctly.

00:30:27.000 It's insane. 0.73

00:30:28.000 I mean, I respect the fuck out of them.

00:30:30.000 It's hard, hard work.

00:30:31.000 It's a difficult thing to do.

00:30:34.000 Insane discipline.

00:30:35.000 Insane. 0.99

00:30:36.000 I mean, yeah, they're on a shit ton of steroids. 0.97

00:30:38.000 But listen, the steroids don't make you that big. 0.95

00:30:41.000 No, God, no.

00:30:42.000 That's like the big misconception.

00:30:43.000 Oh, they're just on steroids.

00:30:45.000 All steroids do is help you recover.

00:30:47.000 That's all they do.

00:30:48.000 Well, that's the thing. 1.00

00:30:48.000 If you take steroids and you just sit on your ass, you're going to get fat. 1.00

00:30:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:52.000 Right?

00:30:52.000 Like, the anabolics have to feed something.

00:30:56.000 And if you're not training, it's not going to your muscle.

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:00.000 So you're just going to get fat doing it.

00:31:01.000 You'd probably get a little stronger.

00:31:03.000 Yeah.

00:31:03.000 I mean, getting up and off the couch every once in a while, you're going to gain some muscle, I guess.

00:31:07.000 But I just feel like your body with all those hormones would probably just get a little stronger.

00:31:12.000 Yeah.

00:31:12.000 But you're not going to get big like those guys.

00:31:15.000 You're not going to look like Ronnie Coleman.

00:31:17.000 No.

00:31:17.000 Big Ramy right now.

00:31:18.000 Yeah. 0.60

00:31:19.000 He just looks insane. 0.96

00:31:20.000 Those guys are so preposterous when you see them in real life.

00:31:23.000 300 pounds stepping on stage at like 3% body fat.

00:31:26.000 That doesn't make sense to me.

00:31:28.000 It's interesting too, right?

00:31:29.000 Because it's like an anatomy class.

00:31:31.000 When you're looking at all their tissue and everything, it's like you can see where everything connects.

00:31:34.000 You can actually see the striations of the muscle.

00:31:36.000 It's insane.

00:31:37.000 It's very strange, but people have associated that with health and vitality to look like that.

00:31:43.000 Meanwhile, there's a story about a new bodybuilder dying every single week.

00:31:47.000 Don't they usually die from the diuretics?

00:31:49.000 That's usually it.

00:31:50.000 And some of them from pain pills.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 Because they're, you know, in agony a lot of times.

00:31:54.000 Well, yeah.

00:31:55.000 I mean, they're taking, you know, Lasix and stuff like that to get so shredded and lean to step on stage.

00:32:00.000 By the way, that's not the eye surgery, kids.

00:32:02.000 No, no.

00:32:04.000 Imagine, they're getting eyes.

00:32:05.000 I heard it on the Joe Rogan experience.

00:32:06.000 They take eye surgery to get to lose weight. 1.00

00:32:08.000 See, that's the shit you think about that, you know, coming out of my mouth. 0.99

00:32:11.000 I'm like, oh, yeah, Lasix. 1.00

00:32:12.000 Yeah, not Lasix eye surgery.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, it's some kind of diuretic, right?

00:32:15.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:15.000 Yeah.

00:32:16.000 It's very different.

00:32:18.000 Like, if you want to see what a real strong person looks like, they all kind of look like you.

00:32:23.000 Oh, thank you.

00:32:25.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:25.000 They're all, like, thick.

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:28.000 Yeah, big, thick.

00:32:29.000 You never, like, shredded there.

00:32:31.000 Oh, my God.

00:32:32.000 That's Ray Williams.

00:32:33.000 Look at the size of that guy.

00:32:35.000 24% body fat when they tested him.

00:32:38.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:32:38.000 At 400 pounds.

00:32:39.000 Yeah, and he's squatting 1,000 pounds raw right there.

00:32:42.000 Ooh.

00:32:44.000 Oh my god, that is so crazy.

00:32:46.000 He has 300 pounds of fat-free mass.

00:32:49.000 That's crazy.

00:32:51.000 So he has 100 pounds of fat on his body.

00:32:54.000 30 kilograms more than the most I'd ever studied.

00:32:57.000 Wow.

00:32:58.000 Jesus Christ.

00:33:00.000 Ray Williams is a very muscular dude.

00:33:02.000 Well, that's the thing, right?

00:33:03.000 If you're going to study someone and you want to find real freaks, like the World's Strongest Man, those strongman competitions, that's some of the freakiest humans alive, right?

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:15.000 What we do doesn't make sense, and I do it.

00:33:17.000 You know, like at World's Strongest Man in 2019, we had to pull two monster trucks because one was too light.

00:33:24.000 Like, come on. 0.89

00:33:26.000 Personally, that pissed me off because I suck at that event. 0.95

00:33:29.000 Do you? 0.96

00:33:29.000 Yeah, and it was a slight incline. 0.96

00:33:31.000 Is that a weight event where it helps to be a 400-pound guy versus a 280-pound guy?

00:33:36.000 With that event, mass moves mass.

00:33:40.000 So in that year, I had Thor in my group.

00:33:43.000 The dude weighed 430, 440 when we were competing against each other.

00:33:47.000 Bro, he's pretty light now, isn't he?

00:33:48.000 Yeah, he's, I think, about 330. He's actually right down the street.

00:33:51.000 Oh, really?

00:33:52.000 He was at the Onnit gym.

00:33:53.000 He put up Thor's Instagram.

00:33:55.000 I know he was here lately.

00:33:58.000 I know Rain had them in LA and stuff like that.

00:34:01.000 He might even be here this weekend.

00:34:02.000 I don't know.

00:34:02.000 I think he's here right now, because he was at Onnit Gym, and he put up video of him hitting the pads, and I have to say, like, he's doing everything right.

00:34:13.000 He looks solid.

00:34:14.000 He looks really...

00:34:15.000 But it's interesting because he's learning how to box, because he's having these boxing matches, but the way he's doing it is very intelligent.

00:34:22.000 Like, he's not just like...

00:34:24.000 Gritting his teeth and throwing his arms as far and using all his physical muscle power.

00:34:30.000 He's learning how to do it correctly.

00:34:32.000 And everything is like real smooth and polished and technical.

00:34:36.000 When you're fighting, you do have to be pretty relaxed when you're doing it.

00:34:39.000 You have to be able to generate force quickly, but you also have to be supple.

00:34:44.000 You have to be relaxed because if you're relaxed, you actually can move faster.

00:34:48.000 When you really tense up and wind up, you lose a lot of your ability to close the distance quick.

00:34:55.000 It's got to be, like, efficient.

00:34:56.000 And the way you get efficient is by repetition with proper technique and learning how to, you know, hit paths with proper technique.

00:35:05.000 And, you know, when I first saw him doing that, I was like, oh, my God, imagine going from being strongman and being the mountain on Game of Thrones...

00:35:13.000 To trying to box, like this is so awkward.

00:35:16.000 But not anymore, man.

00:35:17.000 When you see him, did you find it?

00:35:19.000 I don't see it at all.

00:35:20.000 At least not at all.

00:35:20.000 Oh, maybe it's in the On It gym.

00:35:22.000 I switched to that and I wasn't seeing it there either.

00:35:24.000 God, dude, maybe it's one of the trainers I find.

00:35:27.000 Recently?

00:35:28.000 Yeah, today.

00:35:29.000 Okay.

00:35:29.000 Maybe it's one of the trainers I follow that posted it.

00:35:32.000 But, fuck, I really think it was him. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Shit. 1.00

00:35:37.000 I mean, I know he's in the States right now because he was just in LA less than a week ago. 0.99

00:35:40.000 No, he's in Austin.

00:35:40.000 He's in Austin.

00:35:44.000 Let's see that right there.

00:35:45.000 See that right there.

00:35:49.000 That's not at the honor gym.

00:35:50.000 That's just him.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, he's lost like about a hundred pounds.

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 He looks great.

00:35:56.000 Yeah.

00:35:57.000 No, he looks awesome.

00:35:58.000 It's crazy.

00:35:58.000 It's like a totally different kind of human now.

00:36:01.000 Big time.

00:36:01.000 No, he looks like a big athlete.

00:36:03.000 I wonder what his like long-term goals are in that are.

00:36:05.000 I don't know.

00:36:06.000 There's a lot of money in like freak boxing matches.

00:36:09.000 I know.

00:36:09.000 You know?

00:36:10.000 It's crazy.

00:36:11.000 If he could get like Logan Paul to box the mountain.

00:36:13.000 Yeah.

00:36:14.000 Oh yeah, Pujnowski.

00:36:15.000 Oh yeah, Pujnowski.

00:36:15.000 Yeah, he won.

00:36:17.000 But he's been fighting for a long time now.

00:36:20.000 Yeah, ever since he stepped out of World's Strongest Man, he went into the MMA world.

00:36:24.000 Watch this.

00:36:25.000 This is an interesting fight.

00:36:26.000 Pretty quick KO. Watch this.

00:36:27.000 Right here.

00:36:28.000 Boom.

00:36:29.000 Boom.

00:36:30.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 Crazy. 0.98

00:36:31.000 And the guy who fought is a giant too. 0.98

00:36:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:34.000 Crazy.

00:36:35.000 But Puchinowski's been fighting in MMA for a long time. 1.00

00:36:38.000 He fought Tim Sylvia, who was the former UFC heavyweight champion, and that was a crazy, stupid fight. 0.98

00:36:45.000 Was that good? 0.99

00:36:46.000 No. 1.00

00:36:47.000 No, he got his ass kicked. 1.00

00:36:48.000 But, I mean, like, of course he got his ass kicked. 1.00

00:36:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:51.000 He's literally fighting a former world champion, and he's just a really strong guy learning how to fight. 0.99

00:36:57.000 Exactly.

00:36:57.000 And he was a guy, like, when he first started fighting, you could see, like, he'd hit pads, and it'd be like...

00:37:02.000 It would be all arms.

00:37:03.000 Just Neanderthal?

00:37:04.000 Yeah, but now he's like throwing his shoulders in and moving his hips. 0.99

00:37:08.000 He's still big as fuck, but he's lost some weight. 0.99

00:37:13.000 I feel like none of us strongmen are ever going to be small. 0.99

00:37:16.000 Right, for the rest of your life, probably.

00:37:17.000 When you get to this level, I think you're just like, you know, I look at my life and I'm like, yeah, probably the lightest it'll ever be is like 230 to 240. People are always coming to you to open the mayonnaise jar.

00:37:27.000 Always.

00:37:27.000 100%.

00:37:28.000 Yeah.

00:37:30.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 You're probably always keep...

00:37:32.000 I mean, you only lose so much of it.

00:37:35.000 You're not going to ever be, like, a marathon runner.

00:37:37.000 Nor do I want to be.

00:37:38.000 Right.

00:37:39.000 Yeah.

00:37:40.000 How long do you think you're going to do this for?

00:37:42.000 I don't know, man.

00:37:44.000 You know, it's interesting.

00:37:45.000 You know, I messaged you a little bit about, like, the stuff that my...

00:37:48.000 where my career is going, right?

00:37:50.000 Like...

00:37:50.000 Because we talked about, you know, how Strongman, you know, World's Strongest Man should be a million dollar title.

00:37:55.000 It should be.

00:37:56.000 You know?

00:37:56.000 And, like, we're kind of working towards that.

00:37:59.000 So, like...

00:38:01.000 Super.

00:38:01.000 I'm actually like, this is the first time I'm talking about it.

00:38:03.000 So I actually now am the CEO and part owner of Strongman Corporation.

00:38:07.000 Oh.

00:38:08.000 How'd that happen?

00:38:09.000 Like three days ago.

00:38:10.000 Really?

00:38:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:12.000 Congratulations.

00:38:12.000 We've been working on it for a little while.

00:38:14.000 My business partner and I have kind of been, we kind of put our heads together and, you know, honestly, like taking what you were saying and like, how do we build this sport to something bigger?

00:38:24.000 And we decided to kind of start from the grassroots, right?

00:38:27.000 So Strongman Corporation, it's the largest amateur and professional organization in the world for Strongman.

00:38:31.000 Like, just over 12, around 12,000 members worldwide.

00:38:34.000 Wow.

00:38:35.000 So, yeah, so as of three years ago now, I'm at the helm of it.

00:38:38.000 Dude, congratulations.

00:38:39.000 Pretty pumped, yeah. 0.99

00:38:40.000 That's fucking badass. 0.99

00:38:41.000 Listen, man, it is an entertaining thing to watch the strongest fucking humans in the world. 0.99

00:38:46.000 Absolutely. 0.98

00:38:47.000 The idea that that's not a big thing, but golf is.

00:38:50.000 Sorry, Jamie.

00:38:51.000 Yeah.

00:38:51.000 But do people watch golf on TV? Because I don't play golf, so I don't watch golf, right?

00:38:56.000 The people that watch golf all play golf. 0.99

00:38:58.000 But everybody will watch some fucking gorilla try to throw a barrel over the top of a pole vault beam. 0.99

00:39:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:05.000 It's a spectacle, right? 1.00

00:39:08.000 And I think one of the things that we're...

00:39:10.000 That's what we're going to be trying to change.

00:39:11.000 I think it's like people see strongman as something that's so unattainable.

00:39:16.000 And kind of the analogy that my business partner used, it's something I never thought of.

00:39:20.000 It's like...

00:39:22.000 I think Strongman for a long time and the reason it hasn't really grown is because people have tried to normalize it and it's not normal.

00:39:30.000 Right?

00:39:30.000 Like you're not going to sit back and watch the NBA dunk contest to try to get ideas of dunks you want to try in your backyard.

00:39:35.000 Right.

00:39:36.000 Right? 0.99

00:39:36.000 Like you watch these guys to do crazy shit that is just out of this world cool. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Like log presses. 0.99

00:39:41.000 Yeah.

00:39:42.000 Exactly, right?

00:39:43.000 Like, that's what strongman should be.

00:39:45.000 Like, you know, we should be looking at these people as superhuman freaks, you know?

00:39:49.000 There's Magnus for Magnuson.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, that's one of my favorites, the car pull.

00:39:52.000 Yeah, so that's an event the Hercules hold, and instead of just doing two pillars, they put two cars on ramps, and it's like, you know what, we're gonna take the brakes off, just hold them together.

00:40:00.000 Yeah, the cars are rolling back, and he's holding it as much as possible. 0.98

00:40:04.000 You want to see a fucking insanely strong person? 0.95

00:40:07.000 You know that girl, we've showed her on the podcast before, that really tiny girl, Stephanie Millinger? 0.99

00:40:12.000 She's really tiny, and she's an incredible, like, contortionist, and her balance is insane, and she hangs off the side of cliffs and stuff and does, like, one-hand presses, like, literally with her feet dangling off cliffs. 0.99

00:40:28.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:40:30.000 This is her. 1.00

00:40:31.000 She's insanely strong, though, too.

00:40:34.000 I love the cat on the floor in front of her.

00:40:36.000 Yeah.

00:40:36.000 Like, just...

00:40:37.000 Yeah, this is a normal day. 1.00

00:40:38.000 I know, that cat is so used to her doing freaky shit. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Meanwhile... 1.00

00:40:42.000 She's so confident, because she could kill that fucking cat, right? 1.00

00:40:45.000 That is wild. 1.00

00:40:47.000 I know.

00:40:47.000 What she's doing, folks, the people listening, she's got these, like, dip bars, like, individual bars, but she's balancing them on their edges, and then she does a press.

00:40:57.000 Oh, the cat was underneath the dip bar.

00:41:00.000 Oh, my God.

00:41:02.000 Literally could have killed the cat.

00:41:04.000 A lot of cat lovers are going to be mad. 1.00

00:41:06.000 This is the kind of shit she does. 1.00

00:41:08.000 Like, doing a handstand. 1.00

00:41:09.000 First off, you have to have the balls to walk out to that point on the cliff. 0.97

00:41:14.000 Yeah, right? 0.99

00:41:15.000 Like, I couldn't even stand there, let alone go up onto my hands.

00:41:18.000 My hands get sweaty watching these.

00:41:20.000 I do.

00:41:21.000 I have a weird thing.

00:41:22.000 Can I see heights?

00:41:24.000 My hands get super sweaty.

00:41:25.000 I think it's at Mark Bell's page.

00:41:28.000 Go to Mark Bell's page.

00:41:29.000 It's either Mark or Chris.

00:41:31.000 Go to Big Strong Fast.

00:41:35.000 I think it's...

00:41:36.000 Yeah, I think it's...

00:41:38.000 I'm pretty sure it's Chris Bell.

00:41:40.000 And then you see her...

00:41:41.000 Nope.

00:41:42.000 Go to Mark.

00:41:43.000 You see her doing this with all these weights. 0.65

00:41:48.000 Like, so she's...

00:41:49.000 That's it right there.

00:41:50.000 Oh, I just saw this today. 0.99

00:41:51.000 Look how fucking... 0.99

00:41:52.000 She's so tiny, man. 1.00

00:41:53.000 So look at her hanging from this bar with one, two, three, four, five 45-pound plates. 1.00

00:42:01.000 No, six, seven.

00:42:03.000 What?

00:42:03.000 Seven of them.

00:42:04.000 Seven.

00:42:04.000 She's got two behind her.

00:42:06.000 She's got seven 45-pound plates.

00:42:09.000 And she's tiny, man.

00:42:11.000 I just love somebody. 0.99

00:42:12.000 What the fuck was the point of this? 0.99

00:42:13.000 Oh my god, she's getting another one. 0.99

00:42:15.000 Oh, why not?

00:42:15.000 Look at this.

00:42:16.000 And then look how fucking strong her hands are. 0.99

00:42:18.000 That's crazy. 0.98

00:42:19.000 Yeah, I mean, she's flipping these 45-pound plates and catching them. 0.99

00:42:22.000 In a split.

00:42:24.000 You're right, they might not be 45. I think they're tens.

00:42:26.000 No.

00:42:27.000 Really?

00:42:27.000 I think so.

00:42:28.000 Yeah, I think those look like rubber.

00:42:29.000 But I mean, still, that's an extra 70 pounds on top of her, which when you think like percentage of body weight, how much does she probably weigh? 1.00

00:42:36.000 120, 130 pounds?

00:42:38.000 I don't even think she's that big.

00:42:39.000 You know, and you're adding 70 pounds to your body weight.

00:42:41.000 That's a huge percentage.

00:42:43.000 She's hanging with her hands.

00:42:44.000 That's incredible.

00:42:45.000 My grip strength is not even that good.

00:42:47.000 Yeah, I think you might be right.

00:42:48.000 I have the Sorenex system in my house, and they have the big rubber plates that are 10s, and they look super impressive, but they're really only 10 pounds.

00:42:57.000 Does it say anything, James?

00:42:58.000 I thought I saw 25 on one, but...

00:43:01.000 It's hard to see.

00:43:02.000 Yeah.

00:43:03.000 See, when I see plates like that from old school gym days, I assume they're 45s.

00:43:08.000 One could hope.

00:43:09.000 One could hope and dream.

00:43:11.000 Imagine what an animal she'd be. 1.00

00:43:12.000 That would be crazy.

00:43:13.000 She had that much weight.

00:43:14.000 That'd be insane.

00:43:15.000 So even if they're five pounds, it's still crazy impressive.

00:43:17.000 Yeah.

00:43:18.000 It's her hand strength that's so nuts. 1.00

00:43:21.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98

00:43:21.000 At one point in time, she's hanging from one hand. 0.98

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:24.000 Which is hard to do.

00:43:25.000 While doing a split between the two uprights of the rack.

00:43:28.000 It's hard to do just holding your hand.

00:43:31.000 Can you see, like, yeah, zoom in on that.

00:43:34.000 I think we'll need to see, is there a picture of the other side?

00:43:37.000 Because usually the weight is only on one side.

00:43:39.000 The numbers.

00:43:40.000 Yeah, the numbers on one side of the plate. 0.96

00:43:44.000 It's crazy, like, she doesn't have that on her page, because that's, like, one of the most impressive fucking things I've ever seen in her life. 0.95

00:43:49.000 That's crazy, yeah. 0.99

00:43:50.000 But she's a real freak. 1.00

00:43:51.000 That's insane. 0.99

00:43:52.000 Yeah, I mean, that's, if you take, like, peak human performance with, you know, that kind of flexibility and balance and take it, because she does it with these really, like, life-risking moves, like hanging over cliffs and shit. 0.99

00:44:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I just lift heavy shit. 0.95

00:44:09.000 I'm not going, like, up a mountain to do it. 0.99

00:44:12.000 No.

00:44:13.000 So when will you be back, like, fully?

00:44:16.000 When do they anticipate that you'll be back, like...

00:44:19.000 I mean, it's just gonna...

00:44:21.000 It's been a year?

00:44:21.000 It's been a year.

00:44:23.000 My personal timeline is, I think, probably, like, another year.

00:44:26.000 Really?

00:44:27.000 Yeah.

00:44:28.000 Wow.

00:44:28.000 Have you got any stem cells shot into there?

00:44:31.000 No, I haven't done stem cells.

00:44:32.000 I haven't done PRP, anything like that.

00:44:33.000 Do you want to?

00:44:35.000 If I had the opportunity, but life's kind of busy right now.

00:44:39.000 I'm back to working a full-time job while doing Strongman and doing all that stuff.

00:44:44.000 What are you doing as a full-time job?

00:44:46.000 So I'm an athletic trainer at a high school.

00:44:48.000 Oh, no kidding.

00:44:49.000 Yeah, back in Western Mass.

00:44:50.000 When did you start doing that again?

00:44:52.000 I jumped back into it.

00:44:54.000 Last time when I was on, I was just doing Strongman.

00:44:57.000 And what I realized is I became a lazy Strongman.

00:44:59.000 Right?

00:45:00.000 Like when you have all day and your only job is really to train and run an Instagram page, it's pretty easy to become unmotivated.

00:45:08.000 Is that real?

00:45:09.000 It was for me.

00:45:10.000 Like for me, I'd be like, you know, I'd wake up, like my husband would go off to work and I'd be like, all right, like I'll go to gym around 11 and like a workout that should only take me two hours took me like four because I was bullshitting a lot of the time.

00:45:21.000 Sounds like heaven.

00:45:23.000 I mean, yeah, but like... 0.99

00:45:24.000 You don't have to do shit. 0.98

00:45:25.000 Why'd you get a job? 1.00

00:45:26.000 What the fuck are you doing, man? 1.00

00:45:27.000 You were living the dream. 1.00

00:45:29.000 No, but like my performance was decreasing as well.

00:45:31.000 Really?

00:45:32.000 Yeah, like I wasn't...

00:45:33.000 I just wasn't able to do it.

00:45:37.000 So a job helps your performance?

00:45:40.000 Yeah, because I'm more structured in my day.

00:45:42.000 Right?

00:45:43.000 Like, so now I'm an athletic trainer at a high school, so I know...

00:45:46.000 I don't go in...

00:45:46.000 My schedule's pretty nice.

00:45:48.000 Like, I go in at like noon...

00:45:50.000 And most of the days work until about 5.30, but on game nights sometimes I work until 9. And I'll get my training in either in the morning or in the evening, but it's like I know I only have a certain amount of time to do it, so I need to make the most of that time and maximize my workout.

00:46:04.000 That's fascinating.

00:46:05.000 So you needed some sort of obligations in order you to sort of structure your discipline.

00:46:13.000 Is that fair to say?

00:46:14.000 Yeah, and I think that's just always how I've lived.

00:46:16.000 Even when I was in college and grad school and stuff like that, I was always a go-go-go type of person.

00:46:22.000 I never had downtime, per se.

00:46:24.000 So I guess for me, I honestly just didn't know what to do with it.

00:46:27.000 Were you on Instagram all day?

00:46:29.000 A lot of the day.

00:46:30.000 That's the problem.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, 100%. 0.99

00:46:31.000 I bet if you got a flip phone and you just had an open day, you'd get shit done. 0.99

00:46:36.000 Well, that's the problem. 0.97

00:46:36.000 Ever since I was on your show, I got more sponsors, which means more Instagram obligations, so I have to be on there more often. 0.97

00:46:41.000 Just wait now.

00:46:42.000 They're going to be coming in even hotter and faster.

00:46:45.000 That's fine.

00:46:45.000 I'll take it.

00:46:46.000 So do you find any restrictions because of the job that bother you time-wise where it gets in the way?

00:46:53.000 No, like as long as I... Plan.

00:46:56.000 It's fine.

00:46:57.000 You know, like I look at my game schedule for the week of the games that I have to cover and practices and stuff like that and just kind of plan backwards around that and I'm good.

00:47:06.000 Is there any benefit in helping people and training people?

00:47:09.000 Because when I was doing Taekwondo, one of the things that I noticed is that I got a lot better when I was teaching.

00:47:15.000 Yeah, so I guess like there's a common misconception is like as an athletic trainer, I'm like I'm a healthcare professional.

00:47:21.000 So I'm the guy that goes out onto the field when somebody gets hurt.

00:47:25.000 That's what I do.

00:47:26.000 So you're not working with these kids?

00:47:28.000 I'm not a coach.

00:47:29.000 I'm not a personal trainer.

00:47:31.000 So I do sports rehab in the afternoon.

00:47:35.000 I cover practices, taping, bracing, concussion evaluations.

00:47:39.000 Why don't they use you for strength and conditioning work?

00:47:43.000 There's just no time.

00:47:46.000 Based on the time that We have, you know, the kids are in school during the day, and then the afternoon is all sports practice and stuff like that, and I have to be out there, you know, like I said, at a football practice in case somebody gets hurt, which most of the time somebody does, and I have to take care of it.

00:48:01.000 So when those kids have, like, say at football teams, when those kids have a practice, they just basically have a practice a day.

00:48:07.000 Do they have any weight room sessions?

00:48:10.000 Not at the school that I'm at, no.

00:48:12.000 And selfishly, I don't want that to be the case because I don't want to be at work that late.

00:48:15.000 Quit your job, man.

00:48:17.000 You had the dream. 1.00

00:48:18.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:48:19.000 You had the dream. 1.00

00:48:20.000 Well, and now part of the problem is, you know, fuck, man, I had cancer, so that shit's expensive. 1.00

00:48:25.000 Oh, right. 1.00

00:48:26.000 Like, even with health insurance, cancer costs me, like, over 12 grand.

00:48:29.000 Really?

00:48:29.000 And now I'm going to be meeting my deductible at least every year because I have to get...

00:48:33.000 So, my schedule for my cancer, like, monitoring...

00:48:37.000 I have to get a CT scan and blood work every three months for two years.

00:48:41.000 And then it's every six months for another two years, and then once a year on year five. 0.96

00:48:45.000 The whole insurance thing drives me fucking crazy. 0.97

00:48:48.000 You're telling me. 0.97

00:48:49.000 I feel like if you have insurance and then you get sick, the insurance is supposed to pay for it.

00:48:54.000 It's such a weird concept.

00:48:55.000 Like even deductibles.

00:48:56.000 It's like, oh, we want to make more money than we make, so you have to pay some.

00:49:00.000 Like, why am I paying you?

00:49:01.000 Yeah, I pay, you know, I think it's like, I think for my husband and I, it's like 400 bucks a month. 0.99

00:49:06.000 90% of the time I don't use that shit. 0.99

00:49:08.000 Right. 1.00

00:49:09.000 So all that money just goes to them.

00:49:10.000 Goes to them.

00:49:11.000 And then, oh, now you are sick, but you have to pay another four grand before we even kick in anything towards you.

00:49:17.000 You know, so it's like I'm paying 400 bucks a month for my health insurance.

00:49:20.000 Now I have to pay another four grand guaranteed every year now for the next few years because of how expensive blood work and CT scans are and how often I have to take them. 0.99

00:49:27.000 It's so fucked. 0.99

00:49:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:29.000 Because it's like the whole insurance scam is so interesting because it's like you're paying a company in case shit goes wrong.

00:49:38.000 But then you have to pay them when it does go wrong. 0.69

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 It should be, like, fully covered.

00:49:44.000 But then...

00:49:45.000 I don't know.

00:49:46.000 I don't...

00:49:46.000 I'm the worst finance person on the face of the earth.

00:49:49.000 Don't come to me with any of these questions. 1.00

00:49:51.000 But that shit drives me nuts. 1.00

00:49:53.000 And I remember when, you know, they were talking about insurance in California... 1.00

00:50:00.000 Like when the fires went down, like how many insurance companies just went under and just were fucked because they didn't really have the money to pay for all the houses that they insured? 0.93

00:50:08.000 That blows my mind. 0.83

00:50:09.000 Like what are you talking about?

00:50:10.000 Where does it go?

00:50:11.000 But wait a minute.

00:50:12.000 You insured the house, but we insured a lot of houses.

00:50:15.000 We didn't anticipate a fire of this magnitude. 0.99

00:50:18.000 Okay, but you did insure all those houses for fucking fire. 0.99

00:50:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:50:23.000 How do you not have that money? 0.99

00:50:25.000 You gave the policies, so...

00:50:26.000 Somebody told me that's the case with banks, too. 0.98

00:50:29.000 That, you know, you have all your money in a bank, but if everybody pulled their money out of the bank, the bank would be fucked. 0.92

00:50:34.000 It's sort of like a big old Ponzi scheme. 0.78

00:50:36.000 Yeah, they wouldn't be able to pay everybody if they pulled all their money out. 0.97

00:50:38.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.96

00:50:40.000 Where's the money? 0.99

00:50:41.000 It's like, that was that guy, Bernie Madoff, right? 0.99

00:50:43.000 That's how he got fucked. 0.99

00:50:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:45.000 He got fucked. 1.00

00:50:46.000 Well, he got fucked because he was a criminal. 1.00

00:50:48.000 That'll do it. 0.99

00:50:48.000 But during the 2008 recession, that's when everybody started saying, hey, I'm going to need that money. 0.99

00:50:55.000 We lost our job, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:57.000 And then he's like, there is no money.

00:50:59.000 I don't got it.

00:51:00.000 I'm in the middle of this podcast about Elizabeth Holmes, who is the lady who ran Theranos.

00:51:09.000 Do you know what that is?

00:51:10.000 No.

00:51:10.000 That was that fake blood test company.

00:51:13.000 Yes.

00:51:14.000 And she hoodwinked really big people.

00:51:17.000 She hoodwinked the guy, the head of Fox. 0.91

00:51:20.000 What's his name?

00:51:21.000 The old dude that ran Fox?

00:51:22.000 Rupert Murdoch.

00:51:22.000 She got him for like $100 million.

00:51:24.000 She got Betsy DeVos for $100 million. 0.99

00:51:28.000 I mean, I love that.

00:51:29.000 What's going on here, Jeremy? 1.00

00:51:32.000 These fucking pop-ups. 0.99

00:51:34.000 Yeah, Betsy DeVos was misled by the Theranos founder before investing $100 million. 1.00

00:51:38.000 So I'm listening to this podcast.

00:51:39.000 It's really good.

00:51:40.000 It's called The Dropout.

00:51:43.000 Because she dropped out of college.

00:51:45.000 I guess they call it The Dropout because of that.

00:51:47.000 I don't know why.

00:51:48.000 But it's all about how much they scammed.

00:51:52.000 And all about how many people dumped money into this thing.

00:51:56.000 And then at one point in time, she was worth somewhere in the neighborhood of like $9 billion. 0.99

00:52:01.000 Damn! 0.99

00:52:02.000 She was the most wealthy, self-made woman in history. 1.00

00:52:05.000 And it was all fake. 1.00

00:52:06.000 Because most of these broads get that shit from divorce. 1.00

00:52:09.000 I don't know if you know that. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Yeah.

00:52:10.000 It's pretty hilarious.

00:52:11.000 If you look at like the...

00:52:12.000 Sorry, I said broads, ladies. 1.00

00:52:14.000 But if you look at the like...

00:52:16.000 Women. 0.81

00:52:16.000 The rich women or whatever... 0.81

00:52:18.000 You know, with the Y. Whatever you want.

00:52:20.000 Whatever you say.

00:52:21.000 Whatever you want.

00:52:22.000 But if you look at the wealthiest women, the vast majority of them got it from divorce. 1.00

00:52:27.000 But not this lady.

00:52:28.000 She got it from theft! 0.99

00:52:30.000 Hey! 0.99

00:52:31.000 That's one way to make your money.

00:52:32.000 Theft and criminal enterprise.

00:52:32.000 I heard on the radio there was actually this woman that she ran a coupon scheme.

00:52:36.000 I did hear about that.

00:52:37.000 That she learned how to manipulate the barcode so when people scanned them, the money would get deposited in her bank account.

00:52:43.000 Really?

00:52:43.000 So she ended up making like $38.1 million off of this.

00:52:48.000 Is a movie coming out or just came out about it, I think.

00:52:50.000 About her?

00:52:51.000 With the coupons?

00:52:52.000 That's awesome.

00:52:54.000 Is she in jail now? 0.96

00:52:55.000 Yeah, I think she's got like 12 years or something like that.

00:52:58.000 These people gotta know when to bail.

00:53:00.000 You know?

00:53:01.000 Yeah.

00:53:01.000 Don't wait till you get 38 million.

00:53:03.000 No.

00:53:04.000 Leave at 30. Yeah.

00:53:05.000 Do we have 30?

00:53:06.000 Give me five.

00:53:06.000 I'm cool with that.

00:53:07.000 Do we have five million? 0.96

00:53:08.000 Let's get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:53:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:53:10.000 They're going to catch on.

00:53:11.000 We can kind of lay low.

00:53:12.000 Well, I mean, I've never had five million dollars, but you might be able to kind of lay low with five million dollars.

00:53:16.000 Depends on how you live.

00:53:17.000 True.

00:53:17.000 If you want to live like Kanye West, I don't think it's going to work.

00:53:21.000 No.

00:53:22.000 If you want to be a baller.

00:53:24.000 I could see you with a big fur coat showing up at the Strongman competitions.

00:53:28.000 I mean, I'm pretty bougie, but that's next level.

00:53:30.000 I mean, no, I'm not really that bougie at all. 0.97

00:53:32.000 You should go hunt a grizzly bear, kill it, eat it, and then use its fur to make a coat. 0.96

00:53:37.000 That'd be a pretty epic story. 1.00

00:53:38.000 Bro.

00:53:39.000 Come on.

00:53:40.000 And that's your comeback coat.

00:53:41.000 Like, wear that.

00:53:43.000 It'd be pretty badass to have a comeback coat in the first place.

00:53:45.000 Yes.

00:53:46.000 You need a comeback coat.

00:53:47.000 I like that.

00:53:47.000 An actual grizzly bear.

00:53:48.000 You want to take me hunting?

00:53:49.000 Let's do it.

00:53:49.000 I do.

00:53:49.000 Let's go to Alaska.

00:53:51.000 All right. 1.00

00:53:51.000 Shoot one of them giant Kodiak bears. 1.00

00:53:53.000 We're going to need a big one for you. 1.00

00:53:55.000 We're going to need a real bear.

00:53:56.000 All right.

00:53:56.000 Could you think about a full-length, down-to-the-ground grizzly coat?

00:54:01.000 I mean, with the Mohawk, it'd look pretty epic. 1.00

00:54:03.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

00:54:04.000 I'm in. 1.00

00:54:04.000 And one of them cloud machines as you walk through the curtain. 1.00

00:54:07.000 You know?

00:54:08.000 One of those things.

00:54:09.000 I love this.

00:54:09.000 They have those smoke machines coming and the music playing.

00:54:12.000 If we need a director of production, I'll hire you for Strongman Corporation now.

00:54:15.000 I'm thinking about it now.

00:54:16.000 I'm thinking about it.

00:54:17.000 Maybe I need another job, too.

00:54:19.000 Maybe that's what's wrong with me.

00:54:20.000 I like it.

00:54:21.000 The idea of needing a job to have discipline is kind of interesting.

00:54:26.000 But I have heard that before. 0.99

00:54:27.000 I remember I was reading about these guys that were doing Strongman-type shit and powerlifting shit. 0.97

00:54:34.000 And it was in this article and this guy was giving advice about how to get into it. 0.99

00:54:38.000 And one of the things that he said is get a job that where it requires you to do manual labor.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of guys, like one of my previous coaches, Derek Poundstone, he, like, was a mason for years before he became a cop, right?

00:54:53.000 And that just, like, builds up stupid kind of grip and forearm strength and just, like, you know, like some of the strongest people that I know, like, there was actually a guy, Mike Burke, who was a pro strongman.

00:55:05.000 I think he was able to carry, I think he was, like, six 2x4s in one hand. 0.74

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 At a time.

00:55:11.000 And he was a construction worker building houses, and he'd be able to go up a ladder with six 2x4s in a hand.

00:55:16.000 That's insane.

00:55:17.000 It's just crazy.

00:55:18.000 How does that even fit?

00:55:19.000 I don't know.

00:55:20.000 I think his hands were like 11 1⁄2 inches or 11 inches, something like that.

00:55:24.000 Yeah, Masons. 0.99

00:55:26.000 Those guys are always strong as fuck. 0.99

00:55:29.000 I had one summer where I had to work. 0.99

00:55:31.000 I did construction and I worked on a wheelchair ramp at a Knights of Columbus Hall.

00:55:37.000 And the entire time I worked there, all we did was carry bags of cement and pressure-treated lumber.

00:55:43.000 And I quit after a couple months, but I remember it was a huge lesson to me, first of all, that I never want a job like that, and that people do get jobs like that and they stick with them for life.

00:55:54.000 That's crazy.

00:55:55.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:55:56.000 But also that time is precious.

00:56:00.000 And the time that I spent doing that all day, at the end of the day, I was so exhausted that I would go to train.

00:56:06.000 And when I go to train, I had nothing.

00:56:08.000 Yeah.

00:56:08.000 I had nothing in the tank.

00:56:09.000 I remember like hitting the bag and just like, I just couldn't generate any energy.

00:56:14.000 I just had no power. 0.97

00:56:15.000 Pre-workout's not going to do shit for you.

00:56:17.000 There was no pre-workouts back then either. 0.63

00:56:20.000 This is back in the day.

00:56:21.000 I'm old.

00:56:22.000 This is in the 80s.

00:56:23.000 Nobody had pre-workouts.

00:56:24.000 It was just, you just worked out.

00:56:26.000 Just D-ball.

00:56:27.000 Yeah, I mean, some guys drank coffee, I guess.

00:56:29.000 That was, like, your pre-workout.

00:56:30.000 Maybe I just wasn't in the bodybuilding scene.

00:56:32.000 Maybe those guys did.

00:56:34.000 Didn't they use poppers? 1.00

00:56:35.000 Didn't guys, like, crack nitrates and shit under their nose? 0.99

00:56:39.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

00:56:39.000 Oh, smelling salts. 0.99

00:56:40.000 Yeah, the ammonia.

00:56:41.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 What is it about smelling salts that get you ramped up?

00:56:45.000 You crack them under their nose, right?

00:56:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:47.000 It hurts.

00:56:49.000 Yeah?

00:56:49.000 So I think it just, like, initiates this, like, fight or flight.

00:56:52.000 Is that legal before tournaments?

00:56:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:54.000 Really?

00:56:55.000 You do it?

00:56:55.000 I should have brought some, man.

00:56:56.000 I could have tried it.

00:56:57.000 Yeah.

00:56:57.000 I got one that's literally called Hellfire.

00:57:00.000 Wait a minute.

00:57:01.000 So they have brands of smelling salts?

00:57:03.000 Oh, there's entire companies that just make smelling salts.

00:57:05.000 Just for lifting?

00:57:06.000 Yeah, this company that I work with.

00:57:08.000 Jamie, order up some smelling salts.

00:57:10.000 We're going to do this.

00:57:10.000 Because we're putting in a gym next door.

00:57:12.000 Do you want, like, legit, like, hardcore shit? 0.99

00:57:15.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:57:15.000 I'm not going soft. 1.00

00:57:16.000 So, do you know the guy Jujimufu?

00:57:19.000 Yes.

00:57:19.000 I know it because of Derek from MorePlatesMoreDates.com.

00:57:23.000 He had him featured in a video.

00:57:26.000 That guy's gigantic.

00:57:27.000 Judy, deceivingly. 0.50

00:57:29.000 They were trying to say that he's not on the juice.

00:57:31.000 I think he's only like 5'8".

00:57:32.000 Yeah, but he's...

00:57:33.000 He's shredded.

00:57:34.000 He just did his first bodybuilding show.

00:57:36.000 He did the Olympia amateur bodybuilding show.

00:57:38.000 They were trying to say he's not on the juice.

00:57:40.000 How's that?

00:57:40.000 I don't know.

00:57:41.000 How's that possible?

00:57:42.000 I don't know if it is.

00:57:43.000 How's that?

00:57:44.000 But this dude, he has...

00:57:46.000 Yeah, that's him. 1.00

00:57:48.000 He's psycho. 0.98

00:57:49.000 It's very unlikely that that guy's not in the sauce, right? 0.96

00:57:52.000 But he's awesome.

00:57:54.000 And he at Worlds in 2019, he came up to me and he had just started the smelling salt company called Ah.

00:58:02.000 Literally, that's all it's called.

00:58:04.000 And he comes with me.

00:58:06.000 He's like, hey, Rob, smell this.

00:58:07.000 And like a stereotypical dude, without even thinking, I do.

00:58:11.000 And he put it into my nose and I took a whiff.

00:58:15.000 Dude, I'm not kidding.

00:58:16.000 I threw up.

00:58:17.000 I thought my nostrils were bleeding.

00:58:20.000 I was crying for at least five minutes because of how bad it hurt.

00:58:24.000 Really? 1.00

00:58:24.000 That shit's good. 1.00

00:58:25.000 Is it dangerous? 1.00

00:58:26.000 No.

00:58:26.000 But if it makes your nostrils burn, like, what's going on?

00:58:30.000 I mean, I think it could be fair.

00:58:32.000 It is a chemical reaction that's occurring in the bottle that you're inhaling.

00:58:36.000 So it can't be amazing.

00:58:37.000 It's literally like so like they have the little ammonia caps that like paramedics will use to wake up somebody when they're unconscious.

00:58:42.000 This is like what we use is that but like amplified by 10. Is it just okay because you only use it rarely?

00:58:51.000 Yeah, like, I use it...

00:58:52.000 Oh, you were doing that all day long? 0.99

00:58:53.000 Oh, yeah, it'd fuck you up. 0.99

00:58:54.000 He's got a custom salt called Woke. 0.98

00:58:57.000 Woke?

00:58:59.000 Custom scented smelling salts.

00:59:00.000 What is in there?

00:59:01.000 It doesn't say.

00:59:02.000 I was trying to look at it.

00:59:03.000 It's just a bunch of, like, literature, and it doesn't say what's in it. 0.97

00:59:06.000 How the fuck can you have something like that and not tell people what's in it? 0.92

00:59:08.000 You know, Joe, I don't think these things are FDA approved. 0.99

00:59:11.000 No.

00:59:12.000 I'll...

00:59:12.000 Well, guess what?

00:59:13.000 What is FDA approved? 1.00

00:59:14.000 A bunch of shit that's terrible for you. 1.00

00:59:16.000 True. 1.00

00:59:17.000 I mean, isn't OxyContin FDA approved?

00:59:18.000 Yeah, that's the one that I smell, yeah.

00:59:20.000 Most raw materials.

00:59:22.000 Oh, okay.

00:59:22.000 What does that mean?

00:59:23.000 The fuck does that mean? 0.99

00:59:25.000 Most sophisticated formula. 0.99

00:59:27.000 Most raw materials. 0.98

00:59:27.000 It just fucking hurts, man. 0.98

00:59:28.000 It sounds like he wrote all that. 0.99

00:59:30.000 Right?

00:59:32.000 But yeah, it's legit.

00:59:34.000 So what do you do?

00:59:34.000 You just squirt it?

00:59:36.000 No.

00:59:36.000 Because that's a bottle.

00:59:37.000 You open up the bottle and hold it about eight inches away from your face and it'll get you.

00:59:41.000 That far?

00:59:42.000 Oh, yeah, man. 0.99

00:59:43.000 Jamie, order that shit right now, please. 1.00

00:59:45.000 What's the best shit to order? 1.00

00:59:46.000 The Hellfire or his shit? 1.00

00:59:47.000 That's probably the strongest I've used. 1.00

00:59:49.000 His?

00:59:50.000 I don't use it because it's actually too strong.

00:59:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:53.000 Order that.

00:59:54.000 The Hellfire stuff is just enough to really get me going and be like, okay, yeah, that sucked, but let's pick up something heavy. 0.98

01:00:02.000 Yeah, I want my first experience with smelling salts to be fucking awful. 0.93

01:00:06.000 I'm going to film it, too. 0.98

01:00:08.000 I'll put it on Instagram and I'll tag it.

01:00:09.000 Hell yeah, absolutely.

01:00:10.000 So I'll find out if I throw up as well.

01:00:12.000 Yeah, but that thing is, he put it in my nose and I took a whiff.

01:00:16.000 I'm excited to do this.

01:00:17.000 I'm excited to make a video.

01:00:18.000 Yeah, no, it's terrible, but fabulous at the same time.

01:00:22.000 So the idea is you smell it, and then why does it make you stronger?

01:00:26.000 Like, what does it do for you?

01:00:27.000 I think because it just, like, it amplifies everything.

01:00:29.000 Like, it's pain, right?

01:00:31.000 So, like, you fought.

01:00:32.000 Like, when you're in pain and you're innocent, like, it kind of just elicits this response, like, you have to do something.

01:00:39.000 Like a fight or flight.

01:00:40.000 Exactly.

01:00:41.000 Right?

01:00:41.000 So, like, if you're fighting and you're, you know, in an arm bar or something hurts, like, you're going to do whatever it takes to get out of that position.

01:00:48.000 So is that why dudes slap their chest?

01:00:51.000 Exactly.

01:00:51.000 Have you ever seen this bench presser, Scott Mendelsohn?

01:00:55.000 No.

01:00:55.000 Oh, dude.

01:00:56.000 He legit goes onto stage and has his wife smack the shit out of him before he benches. 1.00

01:01:01.000 I need to see this. 0.99

01:01:01.000 She'll just stand there and just wail on his face before he goes four or five times, and then he lays down and Bench presses, 700 pounds. 0.99

01:01:09.000 Clay Guida and his brother, Clay Guida fought in the UFC. He still fights in the UFC, but he's fought in the UFC for a long time.

01:01:14.000 And his brother would bring him up to the cage, and then right before he would go in the cage, his brother would smack him in the face like a bunch of times.

01:01:23.000 Like, one, two, three, four.

01:01:24.000 So here's the guy.

01:01:26.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 Oh, is that a bench suit?

01:01:27.000 Is that why his arms are out there like that?

01:01:28.000 Yeah, so that's the bench shirt.

01:01:29.000 And then his wife is going to come up, and she's... 0.96

01:01:31.000 There's the ammonia.

01:01:33.000 Smelling salts.

01:01:35.000 And then here we go.

01:01:37.000 Just...

01:01:38.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:01:39.000 Literally smacking the shit out of them. 0.99

01:01:41.000 She seems to enjoy that. 1.00

01:01:44.000 She's like, you motherfucker, you left the seat up. 1.00

01:01:46.000 You didn't do the laundry. 1.00

01:01:49.000 Yeah.

01:01:50.000 So that gets them hyped up even more.

01:01:52.000 I wonder if they've done controls where they've had...

01:01:56.000 I think it's different for everybody.

01:01:59.000 I've had somebody come and double hand trap slap me right before I deadlift. 0.98

01:02:03.000 I'm like, no man, that just fucking hurt. 0.92

01:02:05.000 I'm not into it now. 0.98

01:02:06.000 No.

01:02:07.000 I see people drinking whiskey.

01:02:08.000 Is that different?

01:02:09.000 I know it's the same thing, but how does that compare to...

01:02:11.000 Yeah, why do they drink whiskey?

01:02:11.000 I don't know.

01:02:12.000 To be honest, I don't really drink.

01:02:14.000 At all?

01:02:15.000 No, not into it.

01:02:16.000 Just not a thing for me.

01:02:17.000 Good for you.

01:02:18.000 I just get stoned instead.

01:02:19.000 That's better.

01:02:20.000 Yeah, way better.

01:02:20.000 And that's not good for lifting.

01:02:22.000 No, that's why I do it at night.

01:02:23.000 But it is good for lifting.

01:02:25.000 I mean, it wouldn't be good for lifting the heaviest weight, but I do like to get high and lift.

01:02:29.000 So there's a lot of bodybuilders that'll take sativa prior to working out, just a little dose, because it does help that mind-muscle connection.

01:02:38.000 Guys feel like they can focus a lot more on what they're doing in the gym. 0.97

01:02:42.000 For me, yeah, it would just fuck me up too much, man.

01:02:44.000 If I'm trying to deadlift 900 pounds. 1.00

01:02:46.000 You're doing gorilla shit. 1.00

01:02:47.000 It's a different kind of shit. 1.00

01:02:48.000 But I love it when I hit the bag. 1.00

01:02:51.000 I like to smoke weed and hit the bag.

01:02:53.000 I feel like my technique is better.

01:02:55.000 I'm more in my timing.

01:02:57.000 My movement is better.

01:02:59.000 And when I'm lifting, I feel like I can feel all the muscles.

01:03:02.000 You can feel everything.

01:03:03.000 You feel all the fibers.

01:03:05.000 You feel when you're doing things wrong.

01:03:07.000 Yeah, and that's exactly what I was saying.

01:03:08.000 That's why a lot of really good bodybuilders will Get a little stone before they go train because they can focus better.

01:03:14.000 Do you ever do yoga?

01:03:15.000 I don't. 1.00

01:03:16.000 Dude, I'm probably the most immobile piece of shit there is. 1.00

01:03:20.000 It's like my husband gets on me all the time. 1.00

01:03:22.000 I have negative ankle range of motion.

01:03:24.000 I can't even get my ankle to neutral.

01:03:27.000 But this is not a problem for what you do.

01:03:31.000 No, I'm functionally mobile in my sport.

01:03:34.000 In your sport?

01:03:35.000 In my sport.

01:03:36.000 But your sport doesn't require mobility, it just requires gurr.

01:03:39.000 Yeah, I mean, there's some level of mobility, you know, to be able to, like, reach down to the ground and pick up an Atlas stone.

01:03:45.000 Right.

01:03:45.000 You know, or get to triple extension while throwing a bag and stuff like that.

01:03:49.000 Is there any benefit to being more flexible than you are?

01:03:52.000 Um...

01:03:54.000 Yes and no, right?

01:03:55.000 Like, I think it would take some time to get strong in those new ranges of motion that may...

01:04:01.000 It would probably be a detriment to where I'm at in my career right now.

01:04:04.000 Because it would take away from the time you use for other stuff.

01:04:06.000 Exactly.

01:04:07.000 Like, there's some guys like Martins Lises who is...

01:04:10.000 Crazy mobile.

01:04:11.000 Can just like squat below parallel, no problem, just have no issues whatsoever.

01:04:15.000 But he's like worked in those range of motions for years, right?

01:04:18.000 And he has the strength at those end ranges, whereas like I just don't.

01:04:21.000 And getting to the point where I can hit those, you know, those ranges of motion and stay strong, I think would take away from where I'm at right now.

01:04:29.000 That makes sense.

01:04:30.000 There's only so much time in a day, and the resources that you would use to recover from all that kind of stuff, you could be using to recover from the powerlifting moves.

01:04:39.000 Yeah, and it would take away from my training.

01:04:43.000 Devoting an hour to mobility a day, an hour's a long time.

01:04:47.000 So to be able to do that while working, while training, and the gym I go to is 45 minutes away from my house, so it's not like I'm close. 0.99

01:04:55.000 Do you have any weightlifting shit at your house? 0.99

01:04:57.000 Yeah, I do. 1.00

01:04:58.000 I actually...

01:04:59.000 Two weeks ago, I picked up a sponsor, the Rep Fitness.

01:05:02.000 They picked me up and they sent me an entire home gym.

01:05:05.000 Oh, nice.

01:05:06.000 So I have that at home now.

01:05:07.000 You have a garage set up?

01:05:08.000 Yeah, so I have a full power rack, weights, dumbbells up to 150, GHD, stuff like that.

01:05:13.000 That changes everything.

01:05:15.000 Yeah, it's going to be really nice to be able to come home and just hit my squat session or bench workout and stuff like that when I'm at home and not have to spend almost another two hours in the car that day.

01:05:25.000 Yeah, I was talking about Sorenark.

01:05:27.000 I'm wearing a Sorenark shirt.

01:05:29.000 It's a sponsored show.

01:05:30.000 Not really, but he's my friend.

01:05:32.000 But they set up this gym at my house, and if I know that I have to leave in an hour, I can just run into the gym, get 45 minutes in, full tilt, shower up, and I'm good.

01:05:46.000 That's giant, because otherwise it just wouldn't get done, because I wouldn't have the time to get to the gym.

01:05:52.000 Having something at home. 0.93

01:05:53.000 I mean, you don't need to, you know, have a fucking kettlebells or some free weights, something. 0.97

01:05:59.000 I mean, you could torture yourself with, you know, a set of like 25 pound dumbbells. 0.98

01:06:03.000 Yeah, or a 25 pound medicine ball. 1.00

01:06:05.000 Do some wild shit with a medicine ball. 0.99

01:06:07.000 So I'm excited to have that stuff at my house now where I can go down and just crush some shit and just have to walk upstairs to shower now. 0.99

01:06:15.000 Yeah, that's a giant investment. 0.94

01:06:16.000 If anybody wants to really invest in your health, just get some equipment.

01:06:21.000 Get a chin-up bar.

01:06:22.000 Just a chin-up bar and a power rack.

01:06:26.000 And the nice thing is, so Rep, they have a $1,000 at-home gym kit.

01:06:31.000 Where you get like a rack.

01:06:32.000 I think you get like 400 pounds of plates.

01:06:34.000 You get a barbell.

01:06:35.000 Oh, nice.

01:06:35.000 You know, so like you get the basics.

01:06:37.000 Like 400 pounds for most people is going to be more than enough.

01:06:39.000 Yeah.

01:06:41.000 You know, so to be able to like do that, it's great.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:44.000 Well, the reason why I brought up yoga is yoga is my absolute favorite thing to do high.

01:06:49.000 Smoking pot and going to yoga is...

01:06:51.000 I could probably get down with that.

01:06:52.000 My God, dude.

01:06:53.000 It's like a life-changing experience because as you're doing these poses, it's like you're feeling your tissues stretch out and then, you know... 1.00

01:07:02.000 I do the hot yoga too, so you have to deal with your shit because you want to quit. 0.99

01:07:07.000 Are you like a sativa guy, indica, hybrid? 1.00

01:07:10.000 Where do you fall?

01:07:11.000 I like sativas, but I like indicas too.

01:07:13.000 But the thing about indicas is sometimes you can go too far and then you just sit down.

01:07:18.000 You're stuck.

01:07:19.000 And then you're like, I can't go anywhere.

01:07:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:24.000 Some people say it's bullshit. 0.99

01:07:26.000 Some people say that the idea of the differences between the two pots, it's nonsense. 0.99

01:07:31.000 I feel like I feel a difference.

01:07:33.000 With me, I definitely smoke at night, and I definitely feel like, maybe it's just because it is at night, but I definitely feel like...

01:07:42.000 More demotivated, I guess. 0.84

01:07:44.000 Like when I smoke an Indica where I'm just like, alright, I'm just gonna chill and not move my ass off the couch now. 0.89

01:07:48.000 Are you an edibles guy? 0.86

01:07:49.000 Can be, yeah. 0.97

01:07:51.000 Depends on what time I have to wake up in the morning because sometimes they kind of fuck me up the next day too. 0.93

01:07:55.000 They keep going. 0.98

01:07:56.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:07:57.000 But you're not high, you're just groggy as shit. 0.99

01:08:00.000 So it all depends. 0.99

01:08:02.000 Sometimes that's a weekend thing for me.

01:08:05.000 So, what about recovery methods?

01:08:08.000 Do you do ice baths?

01:08:10.000 Do you do cryotherapy?

01:08:12.000 Do you do sauna?

01:08:13.000 I'm a sauna guy.

01:08:15.000 Love sauna.

01:08:16.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:08:16.000 I'm a giant fan of that.

01:08:18.000 I do that every day.

01:08:19.000 Yeah.

01:08:19.000 Pretty much.

01:08:20.000 Yeah.

01:08:20.000 And then, you know, like some light cardio.

01:08:23.000 Like, I have some assault equipment at home.

01:08:25.000 Like, I'll just get on the bike and ride for like 20 minutes or just the treadmill or something like that.

01:08:29.000 Yeah.

01:08:30.000 Then I have the Normatec compression boots that I use as well.

01:08:34.000 I have those too.

01:08:36.000 Those are cool. 0.99

01:08:37.000 Hyperice, the company that makes it, they make a lot of great shit. 0.99

01:08:40.000 They really do. 0.99

01:08:41.000 They make those massage balls that vibrate.

01:08:44.000 Dude, that's a game changer.

01:08:46.000 Those are game changers.

01:08:48.000 Because they really vibrate.

01:08:52.000 Yeah, no, I'd love they'd send us a whole rack out there with you know the handheld massagers and I love that rollers that massage Yeah, that's big.

01:09:02.000 Yeah, and then like I try to get like regular body work done as often as possible, right? 0.98

01:09:06.000 Like deep tissue like fascial stretch therapy stuff like that No for someone to do that to you that has to be a fucking event.

01:09:14.000 It's a chore What kind of person do you get that does the deep tissue? 0.83

01:09:19.000 So the guy that works on me, he's been a buddy of mine for a long time.

01:09:23.000 He actually works with the New York Rangers.

01:09:25.000 Oh, there you go.

01:09:26.000 But he's like full-on, full body sweat by the end of it.

01:09:29.000 Just like dripping.

01:09:32.000 It's a session.

01:09:33.000 Those dudes, that's a workout in and of itself, right? 0.98

01:09:36.000 Those dudes must get strong as fuck just from doing that. 0.99

01:09:38.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:09:39.000 Because you've got to imagine all that moving with your hands. 0.99

01:09:42.000 I bet their hands are strong as fuck, right? 0.99

01:09:44.000 Oh, dude. 0.99

01:09:44.000 I'll like... 0.99

01:09:45.000 You know, even like me, just like working on somebody like five minutes and I'm like, all right, my thumbs are good.

01:09:51.000 I'm out.

01:09:52.000 Yeah.

01:09:53.000 Even like I have something going on with my neck right now and I massage my own neck with my thumbs.

01:09:58.000 I get in there with my thumb and I'm only good for like a couple of minutes.

01:10:01.000 Yeah.

01:10:02.000 That kind of super hard deep tissue massage or rolfing, that kind of stuff, that has a big effect.

01:10:14.000 Huge.

01:10:15.000 Huge.

01:10:15.000 I love it.

01:10:17.000 I dread it every time going into the session because I know what I'm getting myself into.

01:10:22.000 But on the other end of it, it's just so helpful.

01:10:25.000 How often do you do that?

01:10:28.000 Up until recently, it was about once a week. 0.98

01:10:32.000 And it was like, I'd be sore as shit, like, the next day. 0.97

01:10:36.000 Like, just torn up. 0.97

01:10:37.000 Yeah.

01:10:38.000 But, you know, 48 hours later, you're like, alright, I'm good to go.

01:10:41.000 I can rock and roll.

01:10:42.000 I used to go to a guy who had like a metal piece.

01:10:45.000 It was like this massage tool.

01:10:47.000 It looked almost like a chisel.

01:10:48.000 And he would get like his palm on it and he would work it into your muscles.

01:10:54.000 That's spicy.

01:10:55.000 Yeah, but I don't know if it's necessary.

01:10:57.000 I don't think so.

01:10:57.000 While this guy was doing that, I was like, is this...

01:11:00.000 I feel like elbows work just as well.

01:11:02.000 Did he invent this?

01:11:03.000 I didn't really look into it that much, but I was thinking this might not be the best thing for you.

01:11:09.000 But everybody's got their own sort of weird thing that they like to do to loosen up the tissue and the fascia.

01:11:16.000 Yeah.

01:11:17.000 You got to do something, right?

01:11:18.000 Absolutely.

01:11:19.000 Like, I have a buddy of mine. 0.91

01:11:20.000 He's crazy.

01:11:21.000 So he actually bear crawled the New York City Marathon.

01:11:26.000 How long did that take?

01:11:28.000 I think it took just under 24 hours.

01:11:30.000 Pfft! 0.63

01:11:32.000 So he did it to raise money for men's mental health awareness and stuff like that. 1.00

01:11:35.000 Holy shit! 0.99

01:11:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:11:36.000 And he's actually training right now to consecutively climb the highest peak on every continent. 0.99

01:11:43.000 Wow.

01:11:43.000 That's his next thing that he's doing.

01:11:45.000 Dude, bear crawling 100 yards is ridiculous. 0.96

01:11:49.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:11:49.000 And he did it for 26.2 miles. 0.96

01:11:52.000 What does he look like?

01:11:54.000 I mean, his name is Devin Levesque.

01:11:56.000 Is he a savage?

01:11:58.000 I mean, he's...

01:11:59.000 He has to be.

01:11:59.000 He looks like...

01:12:00.000 I mean, he looks super athletic, played college football, like, lean, like...

01:12:05.000 Is that him?

01:12:07.000 That's him, yeah.

01:12:09.000 Let me see some video of him bear crawling.

01:12:11.000 Yeah, this is him finishing the bear crawl. 1.00

01:12:13.000 Oh, so he's got some shit on his hands. 1.00

01:12:16.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:12:16.000 He had pads on. 1.00

01:12:17.000 Dude, he was doing it on concrete and asphalt.

01:12:20.000 Look at this.

01:12:21.000 What is his back like at the end? 0.99

01:12:24.000 Oh, his hands are fucked up. 0.98

01:12:26.000 He's like, my hands are still only 50%. 0.99

01:12:27.000 Ah, look at that!

01:12:28.000 He went flying off the treadmill.

01:12:30.000 Look at this.

01:12:31.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 Watch this.

01:12:31.000 Whee!

01:12:35.000 Oh, my God, dude.

01:12:38.000 Speaking of this video here, does really intense training videos?

01:12:42.000 Yeah, like he'll be on the treadmill and people are throwing med balls at him and stuff like that. 0.98

01:12:47.000 He just saw some crazy shit. 0.99

01:12:50.000 You know, it's the one thing about Instagram that is a little bit... 0.99

01:12:54.000 It's not the one thing.

01:12:55.000 There's a lot of things that are disturbing.

01:12:56.000 But one of the things is that the need to one-up everything.

01:13:00.000 Yeah.

01:13:00.000 And the need for...

01:13:01.000 Everybody has this...

01:13:01.000 Well, I'm going to have this new method and it's going to be even...

01:13:04.000 People are going to throw fucking flaming arrows at me while I'm deadlifting. 0.97

01:13:08.000 You know, it's... 0.99

01:13:09.000 Everyone's looking for some angle to get more attention.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, I mean, that's my thing.

01:13:14.000 Like, I'm not that guy on social media, right? 0.99

01:13:16.000 Like, I just think a 900-pound deadlift should be cool as shit. 0.99

01:13:19.000 You got a lot of attention just because of the name, like your Instagram name, World's Strongest Gay. 0.99

01:13:25.000 People are like, okay, I'm in.

01:13:27.000 Tell me what's up.

01:13:28.000 Good and bad, right?

01:13:30.000 I'm coming out with a children's book. 0.98

01:13:34.000 And we showed the cover of it a couple weeks ago and the messages I got, people were like, you do strongman just to rape kids. 0.85

01:13:42.000 I'm like, no man, I'm just trying to be cool. 0.97

01:13:47.000 The book's not even really about being gay.

01:13:49.000 It's honestly like, so it's kind of like a journey about my story and stuff like that.

01:13:53.000 And once you accept yourself where you are, you can achieve awesome things.

01:13:59.000 The fact that I have a husband is just a part of the story.

01:14:01.000 It's not the main part of it, but that's all people get.

01:14:04.000 But yeah, with an Instagram name like World's Strongest Gay, I'm lucky to get a lot of attention.

01:14:09.000 What is the hate ratio on social media?

01:14:14.000 I would say it's probably like...

01:14:17.000 I would say it's like probably 75-25 positive.

01:14:21.000 25 hate?

01:14:21.000 Yeah, 25 hate.

01:14:22.000 That's a lot.

01:14:23.000 Yeah, it's a good amount.

01:14:24.000 And how much of their hate is misspelled?

01:14:27.000 A lot.

01:14:28.000 Yeah, interesting, right?

01:14:29.000 A lot.

01:14:29.000 Yeah.

01:14:29.000 It's a lot of non-English speaking people who have like, you know, zero posts and like four followers, you know, like, because I mean, I will say like, I'll creep on their pages and be like, who is this asshole?

01:14:41.000 And like, it's nobody. 0.97

01:14:42.000 Well, they might not even be real.

01:14:44.000 No, they probably aren't.

01:14:45.000 You know, there's a whole sort of ecosystem of these troll farms that exist.

01:14:52.000 I don't know if you know this.

01:14:54.000 Yeah, they...

01:14:55.000 I've had it explained to me by several different people, and I'm trying not to fuck this up, but Rene DiResta was one of the ones that explained it the best.

01:15:03.000 There's these troll farms, particularly in Russia, and they have them in Macedonia.

01:15:09.000 They actually just found out that...

01:15:11.000 Out of the top 20 Facebook Christian pages, 19 of them were run by troll farms.

01:15:22.000 So all these pages that people think that they're getting in debates about whether or not abortion should be right, they're run by these troll farms in Eastern Europe. 0.80

01:15:32.000 And what they're trying to do is get people to argue.

01:15:34.000 Right.

01:15:35.000 No.

01:15:35.000 Russia has this crazy long-term game plan to destroy the United States.

01:15:40.000 And one way they want to do it is by consistently feeding the online arguments. 0.52

01:15:47.000 And one way they do that, like that one that I sent you, Jamie, that's 100% a troll farm.

01:15:54.000 There's a bunch of different pages that are dedicated to different things.

01:15:58.000 Like they have ones for Black Lives Matter. 1.00

01:16:00.000 And you would say, oh, well, this is a page that's dedicated to racial injustice.

01:16:05.000 Uh-uh.

01:16:06.000 No, it's a page by Russians who just want to argue with people. 0.60

01:16:08.000 So they'll say inflammatory things on these pages.

01:16:11.000 Just to light the spark. 1.00

01:16:13.000 And they will use their comments and they'll comment on like Christian pages or, you know, like people who want to bring back the fucking rebel flag, like that kind of shit. 1.00

01:16:22.000 And then they'll get them to go to their page and talk shit. 0.99

01:16:25.000 And it's like this little cat and mouse game. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Damn. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:29.000 They organized a Texas separatist meeting across the street from some Islamic freedom meeting. 0.79

01:16:37.000 So they had them- What the hell?

01:16:39.000 They do it on purpose. 1.00

01:16:40.000 So they had these people across, like, fuck you, no, fuck you! 1.00

01:16:44.000 And they're like angry at each other and neither one of them were in on it. 1.00

01:16:49.000 They were both being manipulated by people that were in Russia. 1.00

01:16:52.000 Damn! 0.99

01:16:53.000 She said she found hundreds of thousands of posts, and there was thousands and thousands of pages that they were confirmed that had been run by these troll farms. 1.00

01:17:04.000 That's insane.

01:17:05.000 And hundreds of thousands of memes that she said were really funny.

01:17:08.000 Like, some of these memes, like, you would read the memes, and it's hilarious.

01:17:12.000 So, like, I think that with someone like you, who's an outspoken, you know, successful powerlifter, but also, like, proudly gay, They would use you as a person to attack because people would defend you and then people would see what they're doing and then it would cause this kind of friction and tension.

01:17:34.000 That's what they're trying to do.

01:17:35.000 I'm honored.

01:17:37.000 That's great.

01:17:38.000 They found you.

01:17:39.000 Thank you.

01:17:40.000 Appreciate it.

01:17:40.000 It'd be nice to find out what's what, like who's who with these things, because I think there's quite a bit of them.

01:17:47.000 I know anything political, anything that has to do with COVID-19 or anything that has to do with elections and anything that has to do with abortion rights, things that are like...

01:17:58.000 Low-hanging fruit.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, but big discussions where it's guaranteed to have people interacting about it.

01:18:04.000 Divisiveness. 1.00

01:18:04.000 They jump in on that shit. 1.00

01:18:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:06.000 Damn. 1.00

01:18:07.000 So when you're getting these assholes posting at you that barely speak English, that's what's going on. 1.00

01:18:11.000 That makes sense. 1.00

01:18:12.000 Yeah.

01:18:13.000 I mean, I'm sure there's like real bigots in there, but I think a lot of them are not.

01:18:18.000 No. 1.00

01:18:19.000 It's fucked. 0.99

01:18:21.000 I mean, it helps my page interaction, so I'm cool with it. 0.99

01:18:24.000 Push me up in the algorithm.

01:18:25.000 And that's good for sponsors?

01:18:27.000 It is, yeah.

01:18:28.000 I mean, the more I'm being seen, the more I'm being viewed, the happier they are, so...

01:18:31.000 It's a weird world.

01:18:32.000 That's a world of a lot of athletes these days, right?

01:18:35.000 It's like interacting with sponsors and social media.

01:18:38.000 Yeah, I mean, it is like another full-time job, right?

01:18:41.000 Because with each sponsorship comes dedicated posts and time that you have to spend with each of them, how you have to interact with the fans on your post for each sponsor, content creation and timing of stuff.

01:18:55.000 It really is like a full job just to run social media stuff.

01:18:59.000 Do you find that you think that people fuck with you a little bit just to try to get you to react?

01:19:03.000 Yeah, but it doesn't really work. 0.96

01:19:05.000 Yeah, you have a pretty thick skin. 0.98

01:19:07.000 Yeah, I don't fucking care, man. 0.97

01:19:10.000 Nothing bothers me at this point. 0.98

01:19:12.000 That's good.

01:19:12.000 That's healthy.

01:19:13.000 Thank God.

01:19:14.000 I have friends that are, especially in the entertainment business, that read their stuff and then you can tell they're depressed.

01:19:20.000 And they're like, what are you doing, man?

01:19:21.000 You're reading mean comments?

01:19:23.000 Stop reading that. 0.99

01:19:24.000 Like, I see them, but I'm just like, all right, that sucks for you.

01:19:26.000 Like, glad you feel that way.

01:19:27.000 Yeah.

01:19:28.000 Appreciate the comment.

01:19:28.000 Is it mostly just anti-gay stuff?

01:19:31.000 Yeah.

01:19:32.000 I mean, that's pretty much it.

01:19:33.000 What's ironic and what I think is funny is these people will follow a page called World's Strongest Gay.

01:19:38.000 And then I post a picture of me and my husband, and I lose followers.

01:19:43.000 Really?

01:19:43.000 Yeah.

01:19:43.000 Like, every time.

01:19:44.000 Every time I post a picture of me and Joey, I lose anywhere between 500 and 1,500 followers.

01:19:49.000 Wow!

01:19:50.000 It's pretty drastic.

01:19:50.000 It's not just a couple.

01:19:52.000 It's the Russians. 1.00

01:19:52.000 But I'm like, fucker, what did you expect? 1.00

01:19:55.000 I literally have gay in my name. 1.00

01:19:57.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:19:58.000 Well, being gay, I think it's illegal in Russia. 0.69

01:20:01.000 Oh yeah, they legit have concentration camps in Chechnya for LGBTQ people. 1.00

01:20:06.000 Whoa.

01:20:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:20:07.000 Concentration camps?

01:20:08.000 Oh yeah, man.

01:20:09.000 They're like picking people off the street.

01:20:11.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:20:12.000 It's insane.

01:20:13.000 And what do they do with them in the concentration camps?

01:20:16.000 They try to, like, re-educate them or something?

01:20:18.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:20:18.000 Usually kill them. 0.99

01:20:19.000 Like, they go away. 1.00

01:20:24.000 Pull that up.

01:20:27.000 I don't know.

01:20:29.000 There are some articles that I've seen about Chechnya concentration camps and stuff like that.

01:20:35.000 In Chechnya in particular?

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 Wow.

01:20:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:38.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:20:40.000 Yeah, we forget that the freedoms that we have here are not... 0.97

01:20:44.000 This is not the whole world.

01:20:46.000 No.

01:20:46.000 You see what's happening in China with the Uyghur Muslims being shipped off.

01:20:50.000 It's crazy.

01:20:50.000 And trains like...

01:20:51.000 Yeah.

01:20:52.000 Like, that's 2021. It's insane.

01:20:54.000 That's happening right now.

01:20:55.000 And that one basketball player, God bless that man, who is standing up. 0.99

01:21:00.000 Yeah, that guy has fucking courage. 0.96

01:21:04.000 Like, real, legit courage, because the NBA does not want to have anything to do with any of that stuff. 0.99

01:21:10.000 What is this, the gay purge, real sports trailer on HBO? Oh, that's that guy. 1.00

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:16.000 Yeah, he's the head of Chechnya.

01:21:22.000 He said this is not...

01:21:23.000 Is he speaking in English or...?

01:21:25.000 So yeah, he's doing what you're saying.

01:21:27.000 Okay, let's see. 0.94

01:21:28.000 We don't have any gays. 0.99

01:21:30.000 If there are any, take them to Canada. 1.00

01:21:32.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Praise be to God. 1.00

01:21:34.000 Take them far away from us to purify our blood. 0.99

01:21:37.000 If there are any here, take them.

01:21:41.000 So this is on HBO Real Sports. 0.83

01:21:43.000 We're talking to that guy from Chechnya about gays.

01:21:47.000 Interesting that it's on Real Sports.

01:21:49.000 Well, that guy's involved in a lot of sports in Chechnya, and he sponsors a lot of MMA fighters.

01:21:56.000 They made it up. 0.98

01:21:57.000 They're devils. 1.00

01:21:59.000 They're for sale. 1.00

01:22:00.000 They're subhuman.

01:22:01.000 Yeah, man. 0.84

01:22:02.000 This is crazy. 1.00

01:22:03.000 Goddamn them for slandering us. 1.00

01:22:05.000 Wow. 1.00

01:22:08.000 They will have to answer to the Almighty for this.

01:22:11.000 Wow.

01:22:12.000 It's crazy.

01:22:13.000 That guy, he hosts a lot of big-time MMA fighters.

01:22:19.000 He sponsors them and gives them a lot of money and then flies them to Chechnya.

01:22:25.000 I won't be going there anytime soon.

01:22:27.000 I don't think you should.

01:22:28.000 There's also a documentary they made called Welcome to Chechnya that came out last year that says it's about a group of activists taking on this.

01:22:38.000 It's on HBO also.

01:22:42.000 And that's available now?

01:22:45.000 Is it out?

01:22:47.000 It came out the end of last year, about a year ago.

01:22:50.000 Yeah, the world is not, you know, it's not a perfect place.

01:22:53.000 And as good as we have it here, it could be a lot better.

01:22:57.000 Yeah.

01:22:57.000 But we have to understand that this is, you know, we're living in 2021 and we assume the whole world is...

01:23:03.000 Like us.

01:23:04.000 As free as we are.

01:23:05.000 To be fair, like, it still happens to me, right? 0.99

01:23:08.000 Like, walking down the street holding my hand with my husband, like, people will scream faggot at us out the car window. 0.99

01:23:14.000 You know, like, it happened at the Arnold in Columbus, Ohio. 0.99

01:23:17.000 It's happened in Massachusetts, like...

01:23:21.000 I'm also not afraid to hold my husband's hand in public because the fact those people aren't going to stop and actually confront me. 1.00

01:23:26.000 One of my favorite things you said when some guy was saying something, you go, I'm stronger than you and I suck dick. 1.00

01:23:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:23:36.000 I mean, it's true, you know?

01:23:38.000 It's funny, though.

01:23:39.000 It's very funny.

01:23:40.000 It's a sad thing when people care what other people are doing, if it's not affecting you.

01:23:46.000 I don't understand that.

01:23:48.000 I think it's a horrendous weakness, like, to care about what some...

01:23:54.000 And I think it probably needs to be labeled that way, to let them understand. 0.97

01:23:59.000 If you care about two people that clearly want to do something that you don't like, whatever the fuck it is, whether it's ballroom dancing or whether it's whatever it is, if they're gay, if they're trans, whatever it is, whatever it is, 0.97

01:24:15.000 why do you care? 0.98

01:24:16.000 No effect on you whatsoever.

01:24:17.000 Zero effect on you.

01:24:18.000 It's like, why put that much energy into something?

01:24:21.000 Right.

01:24:22.000 That you have no control over. 0.98

01:24:23.000 But it's also, if you have lived long enough, you must have a friend that's gay. 0.91

01:24:28.000 And once you have a friend that's gay and you talk to them, you realize like, oh, this is just how you are. 0.98

01:24:33.000 You're born gay. 1.00

01:24:34.000 This is not a choice. 0.99

01:24:36.000 No. 0.99

01:24:36.000 You're just, you're gay. 0.99

01:24:37.000 And I, you know, I got lucky that when I was a little kid, when I was seven years old, we lived in San Francisco. 0.98

01:24:42.000 So from seven to 11, I lived in San Francisco.

01:24:46.000 During the hippie era, the Vietnam War, and my next door neighbors were this gay couple that my aunt would get naked, they would smoke pot and play bongos with the next door neighbors. 0.96

01:24:58.000 I think you mentioned this last time. 0.98

01:24:59.000 And that sounds like the coolest fucking afternoon in the world. 0.87

01:25:01.000 It was interesting. 0.96

01:25:02.000 Yeah.

01:25:02.000 So that was how I grew up.

01:25:04.000 And it wasn't until I was 11 that I realized people don't like gay people.

01:25:09.000 I moved to Florida.

01:25:10.000 And when we moved to Florida, my friend Candy, his dad was this Cuban guy.

01:25:15.000 And his name is Candido.

01:25:16.000 They call him Candy.

01:25:17.000 And he threw the newspaper on the table. 1.00

01:25:21.000 He's fucking mad. 0.99

01:25:22.000 And he was like, I'm like, what's wrong? 1.00

01:25:24.000 And he was pissed that gay people were wanting to marry each other. 0.57

01:25:28.000 Like, that was his thing. 1.00

01:25:30.000 I remember being 11 going, what the fuck? 0.99

01:25:33.000 Imagine, this is a grown man. 0.99

01:25:35.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 Like, I'm an 11-year-old kid.

01:25:36.000 I'm a little kid.

01:25:37.000 And I'm like, this is so crazy.

01:25:39.000 Like, why do you care?

01:25:40.000 That's wild.

01:25:41.000 It's wild. 1.00

01:25:41.000 But people get taught that, and I think they get taught that somehow or another the tolerance of that, like not just not being gay, but being tolerant of people who are gay makes you weak or makes society weak or like that fucking guy. 1.00

01:25:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:57.000 You know, that kind of shit. 1.00

01:25:59.000 Like that it's somehow or another manliness and gayness are mutually exclusive. 1.00

01:26:05.000 Yeah, which is crazy to me.

01:26:06.000 Makes no sense.

01:26:07.000 You know, like, I mean, I said before, like, I compete in, like, one of the most hyper-masculine sports in the world.

01:26:13.000 Arguably the most. 1.00

01:26:14.000 And I'm gay as fuck. 1.00

01:26:15.000 You know, like, come on! 1.00

01:26:18.000 It's arguably the most, right?

01:26:20.000 Like, the strongest man on the planet?

01:26:22.000 There's some fighting.

01:26:23.000 Like, you know, like, it's like you're either beating the shit out of somebody, or you're picking up A rock. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Or, you know, just some like crazy Neanderthal shit. 1.00

01:26:32.000 There's very few openly gay fighters. 1.00

01:26:34.000 Very few.

01:26:36.000 Emile Griffith was a famous...

01:26:39.000 I believe he was a welterweight champion.

01:26:42.000 And he had a fight against...

01:26:47.000 I think it was Benny Perrette.

01:26:48.000 See if you can look this up.

01:26:50.000 But Perrette was taunting him. 0.93

01:26:54.000 During the the training and the weigh-ins and the press conferences about him being gay and he killed him in the ring He beat him to death. 0.96

01:27:02.000 I love that like actually or sleep. 1.00

01:27:04.000 Oh shit. 0.98

01:27:05.000 I don't love that I mean actually beat him to death Yeah, and I think if I remember correctly it really affected him and he never really fought That happens a lot to fighters like when they kill somebody they're never really the same again. 0.99

01:27:16.000 Yeah, I mean that's what's it been like Benny Perrette and Emile Griffith.

01:27:21.000 Yeah, so 29 unanswered punches.

01:27:26.000 Yeah, see if you can find video of it.

01:27:28.000 It was a ferocious beating.

01:27:31.000 See, Emile Griffith was a serious boxer.

01:27:35.000 I mean, world champion boxer.

01:27:37.000 But this guy had taunted him about being gay. 0.99

01:27:41.000 And he fought fucking ferociously. 0.99

01:27:46.000 But that's a rare case, right? 0.99

01:27:48.000 It is.

01:27:48.000 And I don't even know if he was openly gay.

01:27:51.000 You know, it was just known that he was gay.

01:27:53.000 But there's...

01:27:53.000 Yeah, this is the end.

01:27:55.000 That's, yeah. 0.99

01:27:56.000 And this is just fucking... 0.99

01:27:58.000 To be fair, the ref should have stepped in at some point. 0.99

01:28:01.000 Well, this is the 50s, bro.

01:28:02.000 Oh, true.

01:28:03.000 Look at this.

01:28:04.000 The ref eventually did, but look.

01:28:06.000 He died.

01:28:08.000 Wow.

01:28:08.000 That's a wrap.

01:28:11.000 Yeah.

01:28:13.000 That's a rough one.

01:28:13.000 That's crazy.

01:28:14.000 Yeah.

01:28:17.000 Yeah, it's... 1.00

01:28:18.000 Damn. 0.99

01:28:19.000 But there's not a lot of openly gay fighters. 1.00

01:28:21.000 And I wonder how many are gay.

01:28:22.000 They just have to hide it because of the macho sort of thing about, you know, fighting culture.

01:28:30.000 Yeah, I mean, that's...

01:28:31.000 We look at any pro sport, right?

01:28:33.000 Like, there's a lot of guys in the NFL that come out after they've retired.

01:28:36.000 I mean, you know, this is the first year in 2021 that we actually have an openly gay NFL player that's actively playing.

01:28:44.000 Do you think that in your lifetime, have you seen the attitudes about gay people become more accepting and more relaxed?

01:28:54.000 Yeah, I think it's more accepting, more relaxed, but I also think the other side also feels that they have a louder voice now, right?

01:29:01.000 Because, like, as the LGBTQ plus community, as we are more accepted and it's, you know, becoming, quote unquote, normalized, all the other side of the spectrum feel that like, oh, well, like, If they're being accepted everywhere, like, I need to be louder about my stance and make my stance known,

01:29:18.000 you know?

01:29:19.000 So I think, like, there's this, like, weird dichotomy between the two where it's like, yeah, as, you know, the rights are becoming more equal and, you know, LGBTQ marriage is legal, you know, nationwide and all that stuff.

01:29:31.000 I think, like, the people that hate on it so much also feel that they have a louder voice because of that as well.

01:29:37.000 And is most of that hate, you think, religious-based?

01:29:40.000 Yeah.

01:29:41.000 Most of it, right?

01:29:44.000 I would say that's 90% of the hate that I got online from real people.

01:29:47.000 Because it gives them license, right?

01:29:49.000 Like, they think that they're getting the word from God.

01:29:52.000 And that's, you know, that's something that I never understood, right?

01:29:54.000 Because, like, religious freedom, I'm all for.

01:29:57.000 Like, follow whatever religion you want.

01:29:58.000 Like, I don't care.

01:29:59.000 But it's like, religion is supposed to be when you're following it, hey, I can't do that.

01:30:04.000 It's not because I'm following this religion, you can't do that.

01:30:07.000 You know, your religion has no bearing on me and how I live my life. 0.86

01:30:10.000 Right.

01:30:12.000 And that's the thing that I also find that's so funny, right?

01:30:14.000 Like, everybody keeps saying, like, oh, the LGBTQ community is pushing the gay agenda.

01:30:19.000 They're turning kids gay and stuff like that. 1.00

01:30:20.000 I'm like, listen, I've never gone door to door and knocked on somebody and said, like, hey, have you sucked a dick lately? 1.00

01:30:24.000 You really should try. 1.00

01:30:25.000 It's fantastic.

01:30:27.000 Right?

01:30:27.000 Like, and then you have religions literally pandering to people for people to go into religion.

01:30:32.000 Like, that is part of their job in the religion.

01:30:34.000 Has there ever been a study done on kids being openly gay?

01:30:40.000 Like, and whether or not it has shifted over time?

01:30:42.000 Like, is there...

01:30:44.000 I don't know.

01:30:45.000 I mean, how would you ever do this, right?

01:30:46.000 Like, is there a percentage, a standardized percentage of people that just happen to be gay?

01:30:52.000 Like, what is the standard?

01:30:54.000 Like, what do you think?

01:30:55.000 How many people are gay?

01:30:56.000 Is it one out of 10?

01:30:57.000 Is it one out of 100?

01:30:58.000 What is it?

01:30:59.000 I mean, I would say it's probably in the 15 to 20 range.

01:31:03.000 15 to 20 out of 100?

01:31:04.000 Every one out of 15 to 20. Oh, one out of 15 to 20?

01:31:07.000 Really?

01:31:08.000 I'm just ballparking there.

01:31:09.000 I don't really know percentages of LGBTQ people.

01:31:12.000 I know more percentages of like...

01:31:15.000 You know, the percentage of teens that experience bullying in high school.

01:31:18.000 Right.

01:31:18.000 For being openly gay.

01:31:20.000 And how much, you know, the percentage of teens that, like, attempt suicide because they're being bullied because they're gay versus their heterosexual peers and stuff like that.

01:31:29.000 That's where a lot of my knowledge lands, not as opposed to, like...

01:31:32.000 And is it extraordinarily high in comparison?

01:31:35.000 Yeah, it's like 49% of teens have, like, contemplated suicide because of bullying.

01:31:40.000 Right.

01:31:41.000 Because of homosexuality? 0.90

01:31:42.000 Yeah.

01:31:43.000 Wow.

01:31:44.000 Right?

01:31:44.000 And then, you know, that percentage drops drastically just by having one accepting adult in their life.

01:31:52.000 Oh, wow.

01:31:54.000 Really?

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:54.000 One person that accepts an LGBTQ plus teen can dramatically decrease the chance of suicide.

01:32:01.000 So when they say that people are pushing the gay agenda, if there was statistics that show there's no change at all in the percentage of people that are gay, it would be interesting, right? 0.98

01:32:12.000 So you should point to it.

01:32:14.000 I think people think there are more gay people now only because more people are more comfortable with coming out, right?

01:32:19.000 Right.

01:32:20.000 You hear stories about, like, I just saw a story about the other day, like, a man came out when he was 73 years old.

01:32:26.000 Oh.

01:32:26.000 Because he never felt comfortable to do so.

01:32:29.000 Yeah.

01:32:29.000 You know, imagine what kind of life that is.

01:32:31.000 And, like, I am so happy that he did finally come out, but, like, what kind of life is that living? 0.98

01:32:36.000 I lived it for 22 years and I was fucking miserable. 0.93

01:32:39.000 There's an animated commercial for Doritos where... 0.99

01:32:44.000 What was that fucking movie where the guy... 0.99

01:32:47.000 Where... 1.00

01:32:49.000 Was it Coco?

01:32:50.000 The Day of the Dead movie?

01:32:52.000 Remember that movie?

01:32:53.000 Did you ever see Coco?

01:32:54.000 It's really good.

01:32:55.000 It's a great movie.

01:32:56.000 It's an animated Day of the Dead movie, but in this one, in this commercial for Doritos, Grandpa is dead, and he comes back to life.

01:33:08.000 I don't know, he's a ghost or something, but he comes back and he introduces his partner.

01:33:13.000 Ugh.

01:33:13.000 And he's holding hands with another grandpa, and some people are freaking out.

01:33:19.000 They don't know what to do, but the grandma was happy because she said, I thought you were going to be alone forever.

01:33:26.000 I just got chills.

01:33:27.000 That's wild.

01:33:28.000 Let's play it.

01:33:31.000 This is...

01:33:34.000 It's interesting to see them, like, stick their neck out and make something like this.

01:33:40.000 Here it is.

01:33:40.000 Because people were mad at it.

01:33:41.000 The pages that I saw, people were mad at it.

01:33:44.000 The same kind of people that were mad at Lil Nas X. See?

01:33:47.000 So it's the Coco animation.

01:33:50.000 This is Coco, right?

01:33:51.000 These people?

01:33:52.000 I think so, yes.

01:33:53.000 So they go to the grave, and they're putting things...

01:33:58.000 What is it, like tortilla chips?

01:34:00.000 He says, dear brother, I miss you.

01:34:05.000 Okay, so it's the brother.

01:34:06.000 And so look, he comes back to life.

01:34:10.000 And they're eating Doritos at his grave.

01:34:13.000 He says, hello family, how are you?

01:34:17.000 And he says, Alberto.

01:34:19.000 He takes his hat off and then there's a guy with him.

01:34:22.000 And there's, who is he?

01:34:24.000 This is Mario, my partner.

01:34:28.000 And they're holding hands.

01:34:35.000 And she says, what a miracle.

01:34:37.000 I thought he would be alone forever.

01:34:42.000 Oh, that's amazing.

01:34:43.000 Aww.

01:34:44.000 I love that.

01:34:49.000 So there you go.

01:34:50.000 That's Doritos. 0.95

01:34:51.000 I love that.

01:34:52.000 I'm going to get Doritos today.

01:34:53.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a cute little...

01:34:55.000 It's never too late to be your true self.

01:34:57.000 And that's, you know, I kind of came up with, like, a new mantra.

01:35:00.000 It's like, always proud, never scared.

01:35:03.000 Right?

01:35:03.000 Like, it's just that simple.

01:35:05.000 And when you're talking about, like, teens in general, like, the fact that, like, you know, growing up, you know, I'm not that old.

01:35:12.000 I'm 29, right?

01:35:13.000 And even me growing up, it's like I never saw openly gay athletes ever So that automatically, as a kid who's questioning their sexuality, it makes it seem impossible.

01:35:23.000 Right, because they're not around.

01:35:24.000 Yeah, and that's why people are freaking out about Marvel having LGBTQ plus characters now and all this stuff.

01:35:31.000 And it's like, there's no agenda trying to be pushed.

01:35:34.000 They're just trying to show that gay people in our community exist.

01:35:37.000 And having that one character that some little kid who's questioning who they are can relate to can literally save them.

01:35:45.000 I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable the kind of impact that has because growing up, you see heterosexual couples all the time, right?

01:35:52.000 Like freaking watching Rugrats. 0.84

01:35:54.000 You know, there's mom and dad.

01:35:56.000 And, you know, people have an issue with the fact that the cartoons have like a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.

01:36:01.000 And it's like, no, like there's no issue.

01:36:03.000 It's just...

01:36:04.000 Normalizing it, making it real.

01:36:05.000 I think what people are concerned with is that these corporations are capitalizing on this sort of openness and like being woke and open-minded and acceptance of LBGTQ to sell stuff.

01:36:21.000 So the cynical perspective is they're just piggybacking on this new change in our culture to sell things.

01:36:28.000 And you know what?

01:36:30.000 In my mind, that's fine.

01:36:31.000 Let them think that.

01:36:32.000 Because if that keeps one kid from committing suicide, it's worth it.

01:36:35.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:36:36.000 You know, like, let them make a couple extra bucks.

01:36:38.000 Right.

01:36:39.000 At least this kid's not dead.

01:36:40.000 I do, like, the woke agenda in corporations is slippery. 0.98

01:36:44.000 Because for the most part, they don't give a fuck about you. 0.95

01:36:48.000 No, 100%. 0.99

01:36:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:49.000 I mean, that's why I think Pride Month is kind of a scam.

01:36:51.000 Well, they must make money on it. 0.90

01:36:53.000 Oh, there's a shit ton of money.

01:36:55.000 You know, but it's like Pride shouldn't just be during June, right?

01:37:00.000 Like it should be a year-long thing that we celebrate.

01:37:03.000 Like Black History Month shouldn't really be a month.

01:37:06.000 You know, it's like, God, I can't even imagine the money that corporations make on rainbows in June.

01:37:11.000 Oh my god.

01:37:12.000 It's gotta be disgusting.

01:37:13.000 Congratulations to you guys for taking the rainbow. 0.76

01:37:16.000 Hey, that's what we're here for.

01:37:17.000 You own it now. 1.00

01:37:18.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:37:18.000 The leprechauns can go fuck themselves. 1.00

01:37:20.000 They have no claim to the rainbow now. 1.00

01:37:23.000 No, no.

01:37:23.000 It used to be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, right?

01:37:25.000 No, now it's the gays. 0.99

01:37:26.000 Like, do you think that more gay people buy Lucky Charms than any other cereal? 0.98

01:37:30.000 It's an interesting one.

01:37:32.000 We've talked a lot about studies we could perform, Joe, and this is another one that we could jump into now.

01:37:36.000 I would like to find out whether or not there is a standard number of people.

01:37:43.000 If people were completely free and there was no hesitation coming out as gay, it was a completely accepted thing in our culture, I wonder what the numbers would be.

01:37:55.000 I think it would be pretty substantial.

01:37:57.000 I bet it would be a lot higher because I know a lot of guys who are suspect.

01:38:00.000 Yeah.

01:38:01.000 Married with kids and you just wonder.

01:38:03.000 Doesn't mean anything.

01:38:04.000 Yeah, I know.

01:38:05.000 There's a lot of that, right?

01:38:06.000 Talked about it last time, man. 0.96

01:38:07.000 I was in a relationship with a girl for a year and a half before I realized that that sucked.

01:38:11.000 Yeah, I had a neighbor when I lived in California, and they were in their 60s. 0.98

01:38:18.000 And one guy was gay his whole life. 0.77

01:38:21.000 He came out when he was young. 0.61

01:38:22.000 But the other guy, whole family, the whole deal, married, children, miserable, and then met this guy and realized, like, I can't do this anymore.

01:38:32.000 And that breaks my heart, dude.

01:38:34.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 Like, that's terrible, right?

01:38:35.000 It's horrible.

01:38:36.000 I'm fortunate that I came to the realization when I was 22, which is still kind of late.

01:38:40.000 But you have the courage to just step up and accept it and not hide it.

01:38:45.000 Exactly.

01:38:46.000 And that's the problem, is there's so many guys hiding it.

01:38:48.000 When I was a kid in Boston, you would always hear about guys meeting in rest stops.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 And people thought it was funny, you know, that, like, you would go to rest stops and guys would try to hook up in rest stops.

01:39:00.000 And I was like, yeah, but imagine being one of those guys.

01:39:03.000 Imagine, like, this is where you have to go.

01:39:05.000 That's what you have to resort to.

01:39:06.000 You got to go to a rest stop?

01:39:07.000 Yeah.

01:39:07.000 And somehow or another hope that everybody got the memo?

01:39:11.000 Because this is before the internet.

01:39:13.000 Yeah.

01:39:13.000 Right?

01:39:14.000 So I don't even know how everybody found out that gay folks would meet at the rest stop.

01:39:18.000 But it was like a known thing.

01:39:20.000 Stop at the Pike in Brockton, you know, like...

01:39:22.000 Like, why?

01:39:23.000 I mean, how many times did they, you know, it was a trial and error thing?

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:28.000 Do you remember that senator?

01:39:30.000 It turned out to be like he was an anti-gay senator, too.

01:39:33.000 Which one? 0.54

01:39:34.000 There are so many of them.

01:39:35.000 It happens all the time.

01:39:37.000 It's like, oh, a senator or a priest.

01:39:39.000 It's like, oh, found on Grindr, paying for guys.

01:39:41.000 Like, come on, man.

01:39:43.000 I know.

01:39:44.000 It's like such a self-loathing thing.

01:39:46.000 It's so sad.

01:39:47.000 It is, and it's just like, I don't know, like, maybe... 0.96

01:39:50.000 I had such a positive experience coming out where it made me realize, oh shit, no, this is what it means to be happy. 0.97

01:39:58.000 This is what it means to not wake up every day and pretend to be somebody you're not. 0.98

01:40:02.000 Because that's exhausting.

01:40:05.000 Walking around every day, like thinking about how to talk, how to walk, how to interact with your friends even, right?

01:40:12.000 Like just a simple conversation.

01:40:13.000 They're like, oh, like that chick's hot. 1.00

01:40:14.000 And you're like, yeah.

01:40:15.000 And you're like, no, you are like, you know?

01:40:19.000 Yeah.

01:40:20.000 I had this one friend of mine that was gay and was in the closet forever. 0.98

01:40:24.000 And then he eventually came out, but I don't talk to him anymore.

01:40:28.000 I haven't seen him in like 15 years.

01:40:29.000 And I found out he came out afterwards.

01:40:31.000 But back when I knew him, he would talk about girls, and it would be like, if I taught you how to say something in French, but you didn't know French, like if I taught you how to say the words, je ne sais quoi,

01:40:46.000 but you didn't really know what you were saying?

01:40:48.000 I had no idea.

01:40:49.000 That's what it was like.

01:40:50.000 So he was talking about making out with this girl, and I was like, come again?

01:40:53.000 I'm like, what happened? 1.00

01:40:55.000 I'm just getting fresh, especially like 40-year-old virgin and Steve Crow being like, yeah, they felt like bags of sand when he's talking about a girl's tits. 1.00

01:41:03.000 I never saw that movie. 0.99

01:41:04.000 Oh, it's pretty funny.

01:41:05.000 I've heard it's really funny.

01:41:07.000 That's one of those movies that it slipped me by and I never caught up.

01:41:11.000 But this guy was this handsome fella who was like a model.

01:41:15.000 He was like 6'3", really good-looking guy, real fit.

01:41:18.000 He was a boxer.

01:41:20.000 And he would talk about girls.

01:41:22.000 And he had this girlfriend.

01:41:23.000 And the girl always looked confused. 0.91

01:41:26.000 Because he was, too.

01:41:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:27.000 So the girl was like, you know, she had this look on her face like, how come he doesn't fuck me? 1.00

01:41:32.000 You know, like one of them looks. 0.99

01:41:33.000 He doesn't want to.

01:41:34.000 Yeah.

01:41:35.000 And he would talk about girls.

01:41:36.000 And it would be like, what?

01:41:38.000 Wait a minute.

01:41:38.000 Huh?

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:39.000 And eventually it came out.

01:41:44.000 It's so sad to hear these stories of these guys that just stay closeted for so long just because they think that's what they have to do.

01:41:52.000 Well, being a guy like you, who is a well-recognized, respected person in this manly environment of strong man, it's gotta help. 0.98

01:42:03.000 There's gotta be a lot of young guys who find you and find comfort in the fact, first of all, you have not just the courage to come out, but to be super open and positive about it and proud of it, and you don't give a fuck. 0.94

01:42:17.000 You know, and so it seems like someone could see you and go, I think I could do that too. 0.96

01:42:23.000 Yeah, you know, it's really cool because, again, like, I mean, you see me on Instagram, right? 0.99

01:42:28.000 Like, I'm just like, yeah, fuck this. 0.99

01:42:29.000 This is who I am. 1.00

01:42:30.000 Yeah, you're just yourself.

01:42:31.000 And, you know, to do that and show everybody that, you know, your sexuality has absolutely no bearing on anything that you do.

01:42:41.000 Or who you are is really cool.

01:42:43.000 Because I do say, like, I've gotten messages from, like, kids that have contemplated suicide.

01:42:48.000 You know, and one kid, literally, it gets me every time, man.

01:42:52.000 The first one I ever got was a 16-year-old who said he had literally contemplated suicide for weeks.

01:42:59.000 And was almost to the point of going through with it.

01:43:02.000 And then he found my Instagram page.

01:43:04.000 Wow.

01:43:05.000 You know, like, that's just like, it's insane to me.

01:43:08.000 That's amazing.

01:43:08.000 Because it's just like, just by me.

01:43:11.000 Being me online, it made this kid realize that his life was worth something. 0.92

01:43:17.000 And I've gotten a handful of those messages, and I say it time and time again, those messages that I've gotten from kids like that outweigh every single fucking negative comment or message I've ever gotten in my life. 0.78

01:43:29.000 Those don't matter at that point. 0.91

01:43:32.000 And that's why, like, I'm such a big proponent of like, you know, like just today I put on my Instagram story that there was an openly gay soccer player in Australia that just came out.

01:43:42.000 And now he's officially, it's the first openly gay professional soccer player, like at the top tier level.

01:43:48.000 And, like, I always say, like, that stuff's so important because, like, representation really does matter. 0.98

01:43:53.000 You know, for kids, you know, shit, my husband was a soccer player, right? 0.98

01:43:57.000 And up until this year, there wasn't an openly gay one at the top level. 0.99

01:44:01.000 So, you know, for kids to see somebody that looks like them, you know, achieving things that up until that point they seemed were impossible, really does, it matters more than anybody else can really imagine.

01:44:15.000 Yeah.

01:44:15.000 We were talking about openly gay people in the world of fighting, and I should clarify, I only mean men.

01:44:21.000 There are quite a few openly gay women, including the UFC dual champion.

01:44:27.000 She's a champion, Amanda Nunes, the greatest fighter of all time. 0.92

01:44:30.000 The greatest female fighter of all time is openly gay, as is her wife is also a fighter.

01:44:37.000 There's quite a few different top-level UFC female fighters that are gay. 0.92

01:44:44.000 And that's just sports in general, right?

01:44:46.000 Like, look at Megan Rapinoe, Sue Bird. 0.81

01:44:48.000 You don't get as much grief.

01:44:51.000 Because I think there's a correlation between athleticism and masculinity.

01:44:54.000 And I think with people, they automatically assume, and it's an incorrect assumption, that lesbian women are more masculine.

01:45:02.000 So therefore, it's okay for them to be in sports.

01:45:04.000 Or they associate gay men to be feminine, therefore they shouldn't be athletic.

01:45:08.000 Right?

01:45:09.000 So I think there's that connection that happens.

01:45:11.000 Right, so when a guy is in the NFL and comes out as gay, or a guy like you is a strong man, comes out as gay, then people gotta go, oh, these assumptions, they don't hold up.

01:45:21.000 Exactly, right?

01:45:22.000 And that's a big thing, is like, you know, like, I use the hashtag on social media, it's like breaking the stereotype, right?

01:45:29.000 Like, kind of reforming what people think gay is.

01:45:32.000 Because they try to put everybody in this box, where it's all of us wearing, like, you know, booty shorts, high heels, and nails.

01:45:37.000 You don't ever?

01:45:38.000 You know, I will say, we were at a drag show one time and one of our friends came up to us and she's like hyping up my husband.

01:45:46.000 She's like, you should do drag. 1.00

01:45:47.000 You'd be gorgeous.

01:45:48.000 Oh my God, you'd be so great.

01:45:49.000 Without skipping a beat, looks at me and goes, you'd be a very awkward woman. 1.00

01:45:54.000 I was like, fuck you. 1.00

01:45:57.000 Like, that hurts! 1.00

01:45:58.000 Yeah, that's rude.

01:46:00.000 So no, I don't do that.

01:46:01.000 I've been pseudo-put up in drag once, and it wasn't a cute look.

01:46:05.000 Well, you don't have to be in drag to have booty shorts.

01:46:08.000 That's true.

01:46:09.000 You know, like cut-off jeans?

01:46:10.000 I mean, I am competing this weekend.

01:46:12.000 Dude, if you compete in cut-off jeans, I mean, that's like subtle.

01:46:17.000 Is it?

01:46:17.000 I mean, kinda.

01:46:20.000 You mean the rainbow leggings aren't?

01:46:22.000 The rainbow leggings are less subtle than booty shorts, I think.

01:46:27.000 Might be a new poll I have to put up on my Instagram tonight.

01:46:30.000 Rainbow leggings, though, it's still standard clothing.

01:46:34.000 It's just different colors.

01:46:36.000 If you wear booty shorts, like cut-off shorts, there's something about cut-off shorts, right?

01:46:42.000 I was going to say, but I feel like that's kind of a masculine thing because it's always associated with lumberjacks and flannel.

01:46:49.000 Cut-off shorts can be manly if they go about down to the knees.

01:46:55.000 Okay.

01:46:55.000 Then men can wear cut-off shorts.

01:46:56.000 Mid-thigh and higher, not so much.

01:46:58.000 As soon as you start creeping up above the knees, the higher you get, the gayer it is.

01:47:03.000 Which is really weird, right?

01:47:04.000 It is.

01:47:05.000 It is weird. 1.00

01:47:05.000 I mean, that means basketball in the 70s was gay as fuck. 1.00

01:47:08.000 Gay as fuck. 1.00

01:47:09.000 Yeah, like Larry Bird. 1.00

01:47:10.000 Gay as fuck with them shorts. 1.00

01:47:11.000 Totally. 1.00

01:47:12.000 Those shorts, they have like, I mean, they basically had their nuts hanging out of those shorts. 1.00

01:47:16.000 Their ass was eating them the entire game. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Yeah, they went right up to the top. 1.00

01:47:19.000 Yeah.

01:47:20.000 Yeah, if you had those with cut-off jeans, that would be a real issue.

01:47:23.000 Might not be functional for Strongman, though.

01:47:25.000 Yeah, look at those things.

01:47:26.000 Look at Kareem!

01:47:29.000 I mean...

01:47:30.000 That's a lot of leg.

01:47:31.000 That's a lot of leg.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, that's how they did it back then.

01:47:34.000 See if you can find Larry Bird.

01:47:35.000 There he is.

01:47:36.000 Look at it.

01:47:37.000 Yeah, a lot of leg.

01:47:37.000 Literally just under the cheek.

01:47:39.000 Mm-hmm.

01:47:39.000 You could not do that.

01:47:41.000 People would be upset at you.

01:47:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:43.000 Like, what is wrong with your fucking shorts? 1.00

01:47:44.000 Well, I just like how the NBA, like... 1.00

01:47:45.000 Look at those guys.

01:47:46.000 Jesus Christ.

01:47:47.000 The NBA, like, over-exaggerated in the 90s, and their shorts were, like, down to mid-chin.

01:47:52.000 Yeah, why'd they do that?

01:47:54.000 I don't know.

01:47:56.000 That's weird.

01:47:56.000 Like, they're making up for the short shorts in the 70s, so...

01:47:59.000 You know what's weird that never caught on?

01:48:00.000 It's kilts.

01:48:01.000 People started wearing kilts for a while.

01:48:03.000 It was a thing.

01:48:05.000 People thought they were badass with kilts.

01:48:07.000 I've heard that's coming back.

01:48:08.000 Jamie has kilts.

01:48:11.000 They actually just call them skirts. 1.00

01:48:13.000 Men that wear skirts.

01:48:14.000 Two of the guys that are competing here this weekend, they're from Scotland.

01:48:17.000 They're brothers.

01:48:18.000 The Stoltman brothers.

01:48:20.000 That's different.

01:48:21.000 They'll typically compete in kilts.

01:48:23.000 They're literally from the highlands in Scotland, though.

01:48:25.000 Yeah, they have lineage.

01:48:27.000 You're allowed to wear skirts. 0.98

01:48:28.000 They're really badass.

01:48:28.000 One of them just won World's Strongest Man this past year, and the other one won Europe's Strongest Man.

01:48:33.000 Wow.

01:48:34.000 Which is pretty cool.

01:48:35.000 That is pretty cool.

01:48:36.000 Yeah, it's funny, right?

01:48:38.000 Like, shorts are okay if the legs are in, like, a tube, right?

01:48:43.000 But if the legs are not in a tube, I'm not okay.

01:48:45.000 But if you're from Scotland, we're cool with it.

01:48:48.000 Do you have bagpipes?

01:48:49.000 Okay, you can wear a skirt. 1.00

01:48:51.000 You know, like, these fucking weird rules. 0.99

01:48:53.000 It's insane. 0.99

01:48:54.000 The weird stuff to me, the anti-gay stuff, is the religious stuff.

01:48:58.000 Because, like, what was the root of that?

01:49:00.000 Like, what was the root of homophobia in religion?

01:49:04.000 Like, why does it exist? 0.99

01:49:05.000 Well, I mean, people always quote that one quote that it's like, men cannot lay with man as he lies with woman or whatever the fuck it is. 0.92

01:49:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:11.000 But I guess according to that, lesbians are fine. 0.99

01:49:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:15.000 Right?

01:49:15.000 Like, he doesn't say anything about women laying with women.

01:49:17.000 Right.

01:49:17.000 So.

01:49:18.000 Also, it's only laying down. 1.00

01:49:20.000 Like, what if he stands up and lets a guy suck his dick? 1.00

01:49:22.000 I mean, that's not gay, actually. 1.00

01:49:25.000 We found a loophole.

01:49:25.000 It's not gay.

01:49:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:49:26.000 Two chains. 0.98

01:49:27.000 Oh, 2 Chainz's got a skirt. 1.00

01:49:29.000 Looks good.

01:49:31.000 There you go.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, maybe he'll bring it back.

01:49:34.000 I mean, I will say, I do love what Billy Porter does on the red carpets now.

01:49:38.000 Vin Diesel.

01:49:38.000 Vin Diesel's got a skirt on?

01:49:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:49:40.000 Okay.

01:49:41.000 That was back in the day.

01:49:43.000 03. 03?

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 He was also in Scotland, so...

01:49:47.000 Oh, was he?

01:49:48.000 I guess, yeah, I didn't know.

01:49:49.000 Yeah, but that is like a skirt. 1.00

01:49:50.000 That's not a kilt.

01:49:51.000 That's leather.

01:49:52.000 Yeah, it's like...

01:49:53.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 I mean, unless that's a butcher's apron...

01:49:57.000 See, like, let men wear skirts movement. 0.99

01:50:00.000 The let men wear skirts movement. 0.94

01:50:02.000 I mean, Harry Styles has been doing it lately.

01:50:04.000 He wears a whole dress, right?

01:50:05.000 He does, yeah.

01:50:06.000 Same with Billy Porter, you know, just like showing up on the red carpet in these fabulous gowns. 0.90

01:50:09.000 Yeah.

01:50:10.000 It's weird that we have clothes that are specifically, like, women can wear so much more.

01:50:19.000 There's so many more options, right?

01:50:21.000 I mean, hey, wouldn't it be great to be able to wear a kilt and feel a breeze?

01:50:24.000 Yes.

01:50:25.000 Or a skirt? 0.91

01:50:25.000 Or no, because if there was like a dog attacking you, that would bother me. 0.91

01:50:29.000 There's a lot of...

01:50:30.000 It should bother you more because you only have one nut. 0.63

01:50:31.000 Yeah, I don't want to lose that one.

01:50:32.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 To a dog?

01:50:33.000 No.

01:50:34.000 You know, you want to be like tucked up and...

01:50:36.000 Yeah.

01:50:37.000 Covered in but here's the thing like a woman could wear a shirt like yours with no no sleeves and go to a Really nice restaurant. 1.00

01:50:46.000 Yeah, but if a man went to a really nice restaurant with us with a tank top on they kick them right out I used to work at a prep school and the faculty had to abide by a dress code during the school day men had to wear Shirt and tie Um,

01:51:03.000 women had to wear professional dress. 1.00

01:51:05.000 That's all it said.

01:51:06.000 Right?

01:51:06.000 So like, I couldn't show up to work in a polo and dress pants or khakis, but a female teacher could.

01:51:12.000 Full sleeves, right?

01:51:14.000 She can have full, like, no sleeves, arms out. 0.91

01:51:17.000 Totally fine.

01:51:18.000 But, like, I have to wear a full button-down dress shirt and a tie.

01:51:21.000 It's strange.

01:51:22.000 Yeah.

01:51:23.000 Like, it doesn't make any sense.

01:51:24.000 It would be one thing if everyone had to wear a suit.

01:51:28.000 Like, the women had to dress like Hillary Clinton. 1.00

01:51:30.000 Totally.

01:51:31.000 And the men had to wear suits.

01:51:32.000 Makes sense.

01:51:33.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:51:34.000 But the fact that women... 1.00

01:51:36.000 Can throw an oversized sweater on with a belt and be good.

01:51:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:39.000 That's fucking weird, man. 0.99

01:51:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:41.000 It is weird. 0.99

01:51:42.000 I'm jealous about it.

01:51:43.000 I'm not even mad.

01:51:46.000 I wish I had that kind of freedom.

01:51:47.000 We should all have that kind of freedom.

01:51:48.000 Hell yeah.

01:51:49.000 But dress codes are very strange.

01:51:51.000 They are.

01:51:52.000 And a lot of times they're racist.

01:51:54.000 Like when they say you can't wear track suits.

01:51:57.000 Okay, who's wearing track suits?

01:51:58.000 Yeah.

01:51:59.000 What's going on there?

01:52:00.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 And by the way, why do you care?

01:52:03.000 Do-rags. 0.67

01:52:04.000 That's a thing.

01:52:05.000 Do-rags? 0.93

01:52:06.000 Oh yeah.

01:52:06.000 People can't wear a do-rag inside.

01:52:08.000 But can you wear a hat inside the places where you can't wear a do-rag? 1.00

01:52:11.000 I don't know.

01:52:12.000 I just saw the do-rag thing and got pissed off about it. 1.00

01:52:15.000 One place wouldn't allow white t-shirts.

01:52:18.000 But you wear a black one?

01:52:19.000 Yeah.

01:52:19.000 It's more dressy.

01:52:21.000 Classy.

01:52:22.000 Doesn't make sense.

01:52:22.000 No.

01:52:23.000 But codes of what clothes to wear are odd.

01:52:28.000 Your image is the image of the actual restaurant itself.

01:52:32.000 If you have an image, it should be your curtains and your silverware.

01:52:38.000 It should not be what the people are wearing.

01:52:41.000 They're interchangeable.

01:52:42.000 They come, they go.

01:52:44.000 Isn't that kind of cool that you have this variety of life?

01:52:47.000 Like, look, there's the guys in the suits over there, and those guys over there are dressed like basketball players, and those guys over there look like they might be rock stars.

01:52:56.000 That's great. 0.99

01:52:56.000 Who gives a shit? 0.99

01:52:57.000 I once went for a job, and they told me that I was going to have to shave my mohawk because it was unprofessional. 0.99

01:53:03.000 What was the job?

01:53:04.000 It was an athletic trainer at a prep school.

01:53:07.000 Your Mohawk would be unprofessional? 0.61

01:53:09.000 Yeah, and I asked them, I was like, so what bearing does my Mohawk have on my ability to do the job?

01:53:17.000 They couldn't give me an answer.

01:53:19.000 They were just more afraid of the image of me having a Mohawk when they have, you know, multi-million dollar families that are donating to their school and thought that that might look bad for them.

01:53:29.000 I didn't shave my mohawk.

01:53:30.000 Good for you. 1.00

01:53:31.000 But again, who gives a fuck? 1.00

01:53:33.000 Why? 1.00

01:53:33.000 Why do you give a fuck? 1.00

01:53:34.000 Listen, I'm gonna tape the ankle exactly how I tape the ankle, regardless if I have a mohawk on my head. 1.00

01:53:39.000 It's just...

01:53:40.000 I mean, it's weird, because you could shave your whole head, right?

01:53:44.000 Yeah.

01:53:44.000 So that's okay.

01:53:46.000 What if you decided to shave your head to look like a guy who was bald, where you grew hair on the side and then shaved the top?

01:53:52.000 I think it'd be fine.

01:53:53.000 Okay.

01:53:54.000 But if you shaved the sides and left the hair on the top...

01:53:56.000 That's not okay.

01:53:57.000 It's okay, but you have to have a certain amount of it.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:54:01.000 You can't have just a strip.

01:54:02.000 The two-inch strip across the top of my head is not okay.

01:54:05.000 It's weird.

01:54:06.000 If you were looking at us from afar, if you're trying to examine human beings with no context and trying to examine our culture without any real references, you'd be like, what are they doing?

01:54:15.000 Well, I mean, you've said this before. 0.99

01:54:16.000 Aliens would think we're weird as fuck. 0.99

01:54:17.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:54:18.000 There's no shot.

01:54:19.000 No. 1.00

01:54:20.000 They'd be like, what the fuck is up with these people? 1.00

01:54:23.000 The arbitrary rules. 1.00

01:54:25.000 The thing that drives me the most crazy is women's shoes. 1.00

01:54:30.000 It's so bizarre watching women hobble around in these strange things. 1.00

01:54:36.000 Chuck Palahniuk was here yesterday and he was explaining that it's like when women are having sex, their toes point in the way that they are.

01:54:47.000 I don't know if this is true or not. 0.99

01:54:48.000 What the hell?

01:54:49.000 And the way they are with these high heels like the idea of like your toes being down and your heels being up and this like You know, sort of represents coitus or, you know, recreates coitus. 0.57

01:55:03.000 That's wild.

01:55:04.000 But I don't think that's true.

01:55:05.000 I would never even connect the two. 0.99

01:55:06.000 I think it just makes your butt look better. 1.00

01:55:07.000 I think, yeah, your calves and your ass look great. 1.00

01:55:09.000 Yeah, I think that's what it is. 0.99

01:55:10.000 I think girls figure that out. 1.00

01:55:11.000 And it also accentuates the length of the legs. 0.61

01:55:14.000 Yeah.

01:55:15.000 But people always have these weird theories as to why things became standard.

01:55:20.000 Because if you go back in time, It was illegal for women to show any leg at all. 1.00

01:55:25.000 And back in the Victorian era, they used to cover the legs on pianos.

01:55:31.000 Yeah.

01:55:32.000 Because they thought that people would get aroused by piano legs.

01:55:35.000 Like, they would literally cover them with, like, a dress.

01:55:39.000 That's crazy.

01:55:39.000 Like, they would make cloth to cover the legs.

01:55:42.000 Like, how...

01:55:43.000 I mean, I'm thinking, like, with... 0.69

01:55:45.000 No, Victorians didn't cover up table legs because they were too sexy. 1.00

01:55:49.000 Oh! 0.60

01:55:50.000 An admittedly adorable myth.

01:55:53.000 I think, like, with the heels thing, my thought process...

01:55:55.000 I learned it from Terrence McKenna.

01:55:56.000 Terrence, you did me wrong.

01:55:58.000 My thought process with the heels thing was, like, it elevated women. 1.00

01:56:02.000 Yeah.

01:56:02.000 Right?

01:56:02.000 Because, like...

01:56:04.000 Physically, they're typically shorter than men.

01:56:06.000 So in the workplace, it brought them physically higher to their level so they wouldn't be looked down upon.

01:56:11.000 I think they were done before the workplace, though.

01:56:13.000 I think the high heel thing was back before women worked. 1.00

01:56:16.000 Yeah, not true.

01:56:18.000 Why did they cover the legs?

01:56:20.000 Oh, sorry.

01:56:21.000 I was going back to the high heel thing.

01:56:23.000 Let me see.

01:56:24.000 It came from, I guess it could be a journal, of someone that traveled in 1839 and was repeating a story of something Oh, that's where the rumor came from?

01:56:34.000 So what was the reason why they covered those legs?

01:56:39.000 What does it say?

01:56:40.000 I'm trying to skim real fast.

01:56:43.000 For sure, though, back in those days, women had to cover most of their bodies. 1.00

01:56:47.000 Yeah, I mean, they would look like floor-length skirts, like, yeah, yeah.

01:56:50.000 And slowly but surely, the culture shifted.

01:56:54.000 But that's what's weird, right?

01:56:55.000 It is.

01:56:56.000 It's like human beings biologically are essentially the same as they were then.

01:56:59.000 So what is it about people, and what is it about our ideas of what's acceptable and not acceptable, where you have to cover things up, or you don't cover things up, or things shift and change?

01:57:10.000 You know what's always freaked me out?

01:57:14.000 Volleyball.

01:57:14.000 Volleyball is the only sport where girls have to dress like a hoe.

01:57:17.000 Well, and I love that this year at the Olympics, the handball teams and the volleyball teams protested that.

01:57:22.000 Oh, the handball teams dressed like hoes, too? 1.00

01:57:24.000 I think it was.

01:57:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:25.000 When I say hoes, I say it with all due respect, ladies.

01:57:29.000 They had to wear, like, it was very short spandex shorts.

01:57:32.000 And it was the same with volleyball.

01:57:34.000 And these teams protested that and, like, were literally being fined per day when they would compete, not wearing the official dress code. 1.00

01:57:41.000 But all of them said, you know, fuck you. 0.99

01:57:42.000 We don't need to be sexualized to play our sport. 1.00

01:57:45.000 Well, here's the rub, though.

01:57:47.000 When they compete in the Olympics against, like, the Egyptian team or any Muslim country, those countries, the women wear the job, fully covered, yeah. 1.00

01:57:57.000 That's crazy.

01:57:58.000 That's crazy, because they're allowed to compete under this sort of religious exemption.

01:58:02.000 So is it the Olympics that's doing this, or is it the United States Olympic team that's telling them about what dress codes are?

01:58:09.000 I don't know.

01:58:10.000 I know it was another country that started the protest in terms of the dress code for these sports.

01:58:16.000 So it must be the Olympics.

01:58:17.000 Yeah.

01:58:17.000 But they have a religious exemption.

01:58:19.000 Yeah.

01:58:19.000 That is so weird to me.

01:58:22.000 It is so strange.

01:58:23.000 Religious exemptions are so weird. 0.99

01:58:25.000 It's like, what are you doing?

01:58:27.000 Are there boundaries around the religious exemption?

01:58:31.000 Could we just say, oh no, you have to give proof of the religion?

01:58:35.000 Yeah.

01:58:36.000 That's a good question.

01:58:37.000 And by the way, what if you start your own religion?

01:58:40.000 Well, that's where I was kind of going with it.

01:58:41.000 My religion requires me to wear lingerie everywhere.

01:58:45.000 Yeah.

01:58:45.000 Garter belts.

01:58:46.000 You have to wear garter belts in the religion.

01:58:48.000 Yep.

01:58:48.000 That's a weird one, right?

01:58:49.000 The straps.

01:58:51.000 That is. 0.99

01:58:51.000 But gay folks, you guys don't have lingerie. 0.99

01:58:55.000 No, it's like jockstraps and shit like that. 0.99

01:58:58.000 Yeah, there's no thing that indicates you're interested in sexy time. 0.96

01:59:02.000 Like if a girl comes out of the bathroom... 1.00

01:59:04.000 Here's the thing.

01:59:05.000 At the end of the day, we're dudes.

01:59:09.000 Exactly.

01:59:10.000 Same physiological response as a straight dude versus a gay dude. 0.95

01:59:13.000 There's no need for playing games.

01:59:14.000 No, no.

01:59:15.000 It's like, alright, let's go.

01:59:16.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 That's just it at the end of the day.

01:59:19.000 It's funny because that is what lingerie is, right?

01:59:22.000 If a lady comes out of the bathroom and she's changed into some skimpy little outfit with frilly lace and everything, the guy's like, oh.

01:59:30.000 Time to get it on.

01:59:31.000 It looks like someone's ready. 0.61

01:59:33.000 With gay couples, it's like, oh, you're home? 1.00

01:59:35.000 Cool.

01:59:35.000 Oh, you're breathing.

01:59:36.000 Let's do it.

01:59:38.000 You know, like...

01:59:39.000 Yeah, we don't have to...

01:59:41.000 There's no dance about that.

01:59:42.000 Yeah, but...

01:59:44.000 Does there, like, romance and, like, the thrill of the chase that's involved that's the same?

01:59:51.000 Because, like, women like romance. 1.00

01:59:53.000 They like to be, like, romanced and they, like...

01:59:56.000 You just slowly get into it.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 I think it depends on, like, the mood, right?

02:00:02.000 Like, I think that's with any couple, right?

02:00:04.000 Like, it's like...

02:00:05.000 I'm sure with straight people, like, sometimes they just want to get down and dirty and go after it.

02:00:09.000 And other times there's, like, foreplay and there's more to it, you know, like in that romance.

02:00:14.000 Same thing with...

02:00:15.000 Generally when it's foreplay, it's the ladies' idea, sir. 1.00

02:00:19.000 I'll tell you this. 0.92

02:00:20.000 I'm sure you've had sex with women before, but I'm going to tell you as a guy who does it on a regular basis... 0.86

02:00:23.000 It's been a few years. 0.54

02:00:25.000 What does it say?

02:00:25.000 Oh, the leg thing?

02:00:27.000 Okay, here it is.

02:00:28.000 While it's true that during this era some people covered parts of their furniture, they did so in an effort to keep their valuables from being damaged.

02:00:36.000 Oh, okay.

02:00:37.000 Not to hide the alleged sexuality of a dining table.

02:00:41.000 Victorians liked embellishment.

02:00:42.000 Cloth dye was the boldest, most adhesive it had ever been, so it wasn't unusual to see all manner of decorated cloth draped on furniture.

02:00:50.000 Okay.

02:00:51.000 Interesting.

02:00:52.000 Also, they would do...

02:00:53.000 Then it turned, because I think they were making...

02:00:57.000 See, this part says...

02:00:59.000 Okay, pointing out the concept of covering furniture legs for modesty was actually a dig on the perceived stuck-up prudishness of Americans.

02:01:10.000 Interesting.

02:01:12.000 I've always learned so much here.

02:01:13.000 Me too.

02:01:15.000 I've learned so much accidentally.

02:01:18.000 I was having a conversation with someone the other day, and they brought up something, and I said, well, actually, it's because of this.

02:01:23.000 Some weird, obscure information that I had. 0.97

02:01:25.000 And she was like, how the fuck do you know that? 0.95

02:01:28.000 And I'm like, I don't know. 0.99

02:01:29.000 Just in a Rolodex up there.

02:01:31.000 So many people.

02:01:32.000 But I forget things, too.

02:01:34.000 Someone sent me a clip of a conversation that I had with Graham Hancock.

02:01:39.000 And it was about the Amazon and what happened to the people in the Amazon.

02:01:43.000 And as I was watching the clip, I was like, oh, I completely forgot about this.

02:01:47.000 Yeah.

02:01:48.000 I mean, that's probably got to be one of the coolest parts of what you do.

02:01:51.000 For sure.

02:01:52.000 I mean, that's like when I tell people that I come on and I talk to you, I was like, you know, it's...

02:01:57.000 I mean, I think I mentioned it to you before, too.

02:01:59.000 It's like I got hate from the LGBTQ community from coming on this show last time, which I'm sure will happen again. 1.00

02:02:05.000 But it's just like the fact that you're willing to have me and then guys like Ben Shapiro on the same show and just have candid conversation is just so fucking cool.

02:02:15.000 Well, we all need that.

02:02:17.000 100%. 0.99

02:02:17.000 And that you get hate for this is so ridiculous. 0.99

02:02:21.000 And the idea that I'm somehow homophobic is fucking ridiculous. 1.00

02:02:25.000 Yeah, no. 0.99

02:02:26.000 There's always people looking to dismiss people today. 0.92

02:02:30.000 It's one of the weirdest parts about today is that people want to take a person and narrow them down into a binary thing, a good or a bad, you know, a pro or a con, with me or against me, get rid of them, have them killed, or elevate them to godhood.

02:02:47.000 There's no in-between. 0.99

02:02:48.000 Yeah, it's so dumb. 0.99

02:02:49.000 It's like human beings are messy, weird creatures. 0.99

02:02:54.000 It's hard to put people in boxes and categorize them.

02:02:58.000 And you're a great example of that. 0.99

02:02:59.000 Yeah, I think the funniest thing was somebody messaged me like, Joe Rogan hates gay people. 0.98

02:03:04.000 How could you be on a show? 0.83

02:03:05.000 I was like, I literally hugged the dude three days ago. 0.98

02:03:07.000 Pretty sure he doesn't fucking hate me. 0.97

02:03:09.000 I don't even know where they get it from. 0.98

02:03:11.000 A lot of it came during the Bernie Sanders campaign, but that was because they were just trying to keep Bernie from getting elected.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:17.000 They started taking jokes and things out of context and trying to pretend that these are real opinions.

02:03:25.000 Well, no, and that's the thing I always tell people, right?

02:03:27.000 Especially about you.

02:03:28.000 It's like, yeah, you probably saw that three and a half minute clip that's going around Facebook.

02:03:31.000 That's all good.

02:03:32.000 But go actually watch the two and a half hour conversation that they had.

02:03:35.000 Yeah.

02:03:35.000 Like actually listen to what they talked about.

02:03:37.000 It's just a weird time for people because there's so many opinions out there.

02:03:42.000 Like so many people have opinions and it's so hard to try to get a real nuanced view of who a person is.

02:03:51.000 You have to talk to them over and over and over again.

02:03:53.000 One of the good things about having a podcast like this where I talk three hours at a time is that the people that listen know me.

02:04:00.000 They get it.

02:04:00.000 Because you can't hide from people when you're talking for three hours, day after day after day after day.

02:04:08.000 They know you, warts and all.

02:04:10.000 Oh yeah.

02:04:10.000 Yeah, they know you.

02:04:12.000 It's insane.

02:04:12.000 But that's why I'm so grateful for being on here as well.

02:04:16.000 Well, I'm grateful that you come on here, and I think we all need, like in all groups of whatever differences, whether it's people on the right and people on the left, people that are religious, people that aren't, people that are gay, people that are straight, whatever it is, we all need to just talk more and come to the real understanding that life is just about people that are nice and people that aren't nice.

02:04:38.000 And if you're a nice person, you don't care what other people do, and you just want them to be happy.

02:04:44.000 And if you're not a nice person, you want to go around controlling people and making people live the way you live or think the way you think on both ways.

02:04:53.000 Absolutely.

02:04:54.000 Whether it's people that think that you have to adhere to a certain way of communicating and talking about people and Preferred pronouns and languages.

02:05:02.000 So much of what we're dealing with today is about people trying to control other people.

02:05:08.000 Whether it's homophobes trying to control you, or whether it's the Russians trying to control our political discourse, or whether it's vaccine mandates, or the politicians are trying to control people, or the pharmaceutical companies are trying to control people to generate more income.

02:05:22.000 It's about control.

02:05:24.000 We're losing some of our humanity by giving into that.

02:05:30.000 A lot of humanity.

02:05:31.000 My thing has always been, at the end of the day, it's easier to love than hate.

02:05:36.000 It's better to love than hate, that's for sure.

02:05:38.000 The effort it takes to hate somebody is exhausting. 1.00

02:05:42.000 It is, but some people feed off that shit. 1.00

02:05:44.000 I know. 1.00

02:05:45.000 I don't get that, man.

02:05:46.000 Yeah.

02:05:47.000 Well, you're smart.

02:05:47.000 That's why.

02:05:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:49.000 You're smart and you also have experienced discrimination at a higher scale than most people, so you understand how stupid it is. 1.00

02:05:55.000 It really is stupid. 1.00

02:05:56.000 It's fucking stupid and there's so much freedom in just accepting and loving people. 1.00

02:06:02.000 It feels better. 1.00

02:06:03.000 Yeah.

02:06:04.000 It feels better.

02:06:04.000 The people that are...

02:06:06.000 The real people, not the Russian trolls, that are leaving these mean comments. 0.97

02:06:10.000 There's probably something, either something about them where they're afraid because they might be gay, or maybe they are gay, or maybe they were raised in some weird repressive religious environment, you know? 0.93

02:06:23.000 I mean, that's the thing is like, the whole fear around gay people and like the LGBTQ community blows my mind.

02:06:31.000 The fear about it and what?

02:06:33.000 Yeah, like, people are afraid that, like, you know, we're trying to, like, take over or make people gay.

02:06:38.000 I mean, you said it before, like, we're just born this way, man. 0.97

02:06:40.000 Like, that's all we want to, you know, I just want to be able to go home to my husband at the end of the day and not get shit for it. 0.92

02:06:46.000 Yeah. 0.81

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:48.000 It's pretty, pretty simple.

02:06:50.000 Yeah, the fear, right?

02:06:51.000 The fear part and the anger, it's like, I think a lot of it is just not being exposed to enough gay people. 0.96

02:06:58.000 Yeah, I think it's ignorance, right?

02:07:00.000 Like, they feel that somehow my happy, loving relationship with my husband is going to affect their lives in some way negatively.

02:07:10.000 Yeah.

02:07:11.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:07:13.000 It's literally impossible. 1.00

02:07:14.000 Yeah, unless he's trying to fuck you. 1.00

02:07:16.000 What do you care? 1.00

02:07:16.000 Yeah, and most of the times I don't want to. 1.00

02:07:19.000 Have you felt the shift in your lifetime?

02:07:23.000 You came out and you were, what, 20?

02:07:26.000 22. 22?

02:07:27.000 Yeah.

02:07:28.000 So, seven years ago.

02:07:29.000 Have you felt, over that time, acceptance sort of expand?

02:07:33.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:07:34.000 I think it also could just be my position in the sport that I'm in.

02:07:40.000 People just know who I am.

02:07:42.000 So people coming into the sport, they're like, oh yeah, there's Rob and his husband Joey, and there's no thought about it.

02:07:47.000 I think it's taken seven years, but it's just become who I am.

02:07:54.000 And that's just the expectation people know of me.

02:07:57.000 I think what it also boils down to is like people are just, they get awkward around change.

02:08:01.000 They don't know how to accept it, right?

02:08:03.000 So like when somebody does come out as gay, lesbian, bi, trans or whatever, they struggle to try to reset their mind frame.

02:08:10.000 I mean, I did coming out as gay, right?

02:08:12.000 Like I lived a heteronormative life for 22 years of my life.

02:08:17.000 Up until I was 22, I thought I was going to be married to a woman, have kids, just live this normal lifestyle, and realize that's not me. 0.69

02:08:26.000 That's not what I want.

02:08:27.000 That's not what's going to make me happy. 1.00

02:08:29.000 And I'm fortunate that I was able to just come to terms with that really quickly and just be like, yep, fuck it. 0.99

02:08:35.000 That's it. 0.99

02:08:36.000 But even the people in the sport and some people around me, they struggled to change that narrative of my life.

02:08:43.000 And at the end of the day, it's like, Why does my life have that kind of bearing on you?

02:08:48.000 Yeah.

02:08:48.000 You know, and that's what I think is the weird thing.

02:08:51.000 Well, it's also, it's a sex thing, which is weird. 0.99

02:08:54.000 It's because, like, if you live your whole life, chances are you're never going to see any of your friends fuck. 0.99

02:09:00.000 No. 0.99

02:09:01.000 Right.

02:09:01.000 Be kind of weird if you did.

02:09:02.000 Right.

02:09:03.000 So, why do you care?

02:09:05.000 And that's another thing, right? 0.94

02:09:06.000 Is I think, like, for some reason, people automatically associate being gay with sex. 0.80

02:09:13.000 Right. 0.55

02:09:15.000 Right?

02:09:15.000 Like, if you see a straight couple walking down the street, you don't think of them in the bedroom.

02:09:20.000 I do.

02:09:21.000 I mean...

02:09:22.000 I always do.

02:09:22.000 That's all you, man.

02:09:27.000 But it's like, you know, they see a picture of me and my husband and they're just like...

02:09:31.000 Which one of you guys is on the top? 0.92

02:09:33.000 Yeah, they just automatically go to this perverted mindset of sex right off the bat. 0.94

02:09:37.000 And it's like, nothing I talked about is about sex. 0.59

02:09:40.000 I'm talking about love.

02:09:41.000 Like, you know, they're not mutually related.

02:09:44.000 So it's like, come on. 0.98

02:09:46.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure my neighbors, the older folks, they probably didn't fuck anymore. 0.98

02:09:49.000 They were like in their late 60s. 0.92

02:09:51.000 My whole ED thing will creep up to you.

02:09:54.000 Not really anymore.

02:09:55.000 No.

02:09:56.000 Viagra's a hell of a drug.

02:09:57.000 Yeah.

02:09:58.000 So you have seen things shift.

02:10:01.000 The thing that drives me crazy about homophobia really is when it's rooted in religion and you have this ideology that they believe came down from up on high, right?

02:10:15.000 Yeah.

02:10:16.000 They think this must be followed to the letter.

02:10:19.000 And if that's the case and they think that Homosexuality, whatever the religion is, because there's some homosexualities that are more tolerant, or some religions and ideologies that are more tolerant of homosexuality, and then some that aren't at all.

02:10:34.000 And the ones that aren't at all, it's spooky, because a lot of those are ancient, and they've held these traditions for a long time.

02:10:41.000 Like, you know, when you hear about, like, ISIS throwing people off buildings for being gay.

02:10:47.000 Oh, like, in Islam and, like, Middle Eastern countries, like, literally beheading in, like, a public square. 1.00

02:10:51.000 Yeah, scary shit. 1.00

02:10:53.000 That's reality. 1.00

02:10:55.000 That's what scares me.

02:10:57.000 You could open up someone's eyes that maybe these ideas that they had about bigotry and homophobia are wrong, and they need to readdress and re-understand.

02:11:11.000 And that's possible.

02:11:12.000 You can get people to open their eyes and go, Yeah, I just thought it was...

02:11:15.000 I thought it was their choice.

02:11:16.000 I didn't know.

02:11:17.000 Now I know.

02:11:18.000 I've reframed my perceptions of it.

02:11:21.000 But when those perceptions are locked into an ancient ideology that is supposedly the Word of God...

02:11:28.000 You're not going to change that. 1.00

02:11:29.000 That shit is so difficult to change. 0.99

02:11:31.000 And it's such a sneaky way to make something like a legacy thought and to keep it in there. 1.00

02:11:36.000 I think the moment that people...

02:11:37.000 I kind of give people an aha moment.

02:11:40.000 It's like, I compete in competitions all over the world.

02:11:44.000 And for most people, it's just not a thought of where you'd go to travel.

02:11:47.000 But what I tell them is like, I literally have to Google to make sure I'm allowed in that country in the first place.

02:11:53.000 Whoa.

02:11:54.000 Right?

02:11:54.000 Have you ever had to not go to one because...

02:11:57.000 I have chosen to go to one where homosexuality was illegal and Joey wasn't able to come with me.

02:12:02.000 Where was that?

02:12:03.000 Botswana.

02:12:04.000 Oh, wow.

02:12:05.000 Botswana, 2017. Homosexuality is legal there now as of 2019, I believe. 0.60

02:12:09.000 Congratulations.

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 2017, it was not.

02:12:13.000 And that was actually my first year at World's Strongest Man.

02:12:16.000 Wow.

02:12:17.000 So, typically, the World's Strongest Man invite comes via email.

02:12:20.000 It's like, congratulations, you've qualified.

02:12:22.000 Mine came from a phone call from lawyers at IMG. Really?

02:12:27.000 And they were like, hey, Rob, so here's the situation.

02:12:30.000 We want you to be one of the athletes at World's Strongest Man this year.

02:12:33.000 However, it is being held in Botswana.

02:12:35.000 And as of right now, homosexuality is illegal.

02:12:37.000 The way the law is written is you can only be persecuted if found performing, quote-unquote, unnatural acts.

02:12:44.000 Whoa.

02:12:46.000 So they were like, we're going to leave it up to you.

02:12:48.000 If you don't want to come, we'll hold your spot for next year.

02:12:52.000 But it's up to you.

02:12:54.000 You know, so my husband and I went back and forth on like, what do we do?

02:12:58.000 You know, this is a huge moment.

02:13:00.000 This is the first time an openly gay man is going to be competing at World's Strongest Man.

02:13:05.000 So how do we navigate this?

02:13:06.000 And ultimately we decided for me to go and he would stay home just for pure safety. 0.88

02:13:11.000 And like, no lie, I think it was about two weeks before I flew out, Sure as shit, like somebody sends me an article about two men that were thrown in jail for seven years for holding hands in public. 0.97

02:13:23.000 In Botswana. 0.96

02:13:24.000 In Botswana, where I was going two weeks later.

02:13:26.000 You think they let them out now?

02:13:27.000 I don't know.

02:13:29.000 I mean, I would hope so.

02:13:31.000 But, you know, like, that's something that I have to think about.

02:13:34.000 Holding hands.

02:13:34.000 Because that was an unnatural act, according to them.

02:13:36.000 Holding hands?

02:13:37.000 What about shaking hands?

02:13:38.000 That's okay.

02:13:39.000 No, that's not good.

02:13:40.000 How weird.

02:13:40.000 Yeah, right.

02:13:41.000 How long do you make eye contact?

02:13:43.000 You can shake hands, but you can't walk with them.

02:13:45.000 No, no.

02:13:46.000 You can't move.

02:13:47.000 That is such a strange thing.

02:13:49.000 Just think about that.

02:13:51.000 Because everyone shakes hands.

02:13:53.000 Everyone.

02:13:54.000 You shake hands with people you don't even know.

02:13:55.000 But if you hold onto that hand with someone you do know, and you go for a walk, It's not okay.

02:14:01.000 People will get really upset at you.

02:14:03.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:14:03.000 How fucking weird is that? 0.98

02:14:05.000 Right. 0.99

02:14:05.000 Because it's not like kissing. 0.99

02:14:07.000 No.

02:14:07.000 Like, men don't kiss men on the lips when they see each other.

02:14:10.000 So if two guys see people kiss, two guys kissing in public, it's like, whoa, I've never seen that before.

02:14:17.000 Yeah.

02:14:17.000 But everybody's seeing guys shake hands.

02:14:20.000 Nothing weird about it.

02:14:21.000 But holding on to that hand could be a real issue.

02:14:23.000 That makes it awkward.

02:14:24.000 How weird is that?

02:14:25.000 So yeah, so it's like, you know, I've been invited to compete in some Middle Eastern countries.

02:14:30.000 Like, I was in Bahrain back in March.

02:14:32.000 Fortunately, LGBTQ laws are pretty relaxed. 1.00

02:14:35.000 But like, that's the thing that I have to do every time I travel to these countries.

02:14:37.000 I literally have to see like, okay, like, what are the laws surrounding me being there?

02:14:41.000 Here's a little kind of weird side thing.

02:14:45.000 Do you remember when Bush was in office?

02:14:48.000 He had very close relationships with the Saudis.

02:14:51.000 And one of the things the Saudis do is they do hold hands while they walk.

02:14:55.000 So there was photos of George Bush holding hands with this Saudi royal guy while they were walking.

02:15:04.000 Look at this.

02:15:06.000 He had to follow his rules.

02:15:08.000 In Saudi Arabia, I am illegal there.

02:15:11.000 I can't exist.

02:15:13.000 Are they kissing on the lips?

02:15:13.000 What was that?

02:15:16.000 Holding hands, a little kiss.

02:15:18.000 Yeah.

02:15:19.000 Yeah, you know, so it's just like, it's so funny.

02:15:21.000 So like, that's okay, but me being an openly gay man, I cannot exist in their space. 1.00

02:15:25.000 Well, you know, what's weird is, you know, we're talking about these Islamic countries.

02:15:30.000 My friends that have served and have been deployed overseas say there's so much undercover homosexuality in these countries, and a lot of it with underage boys.

02:15:41.000 Yep.

02:15:41.000 That's like a thing that they were told that they had to look away from.

02:15:45.000 Like when they had these encounters with people who were either translators or informants or people that were working alongside with them, occasionally they would have scenarios where these guys were abusing young boys.

02:16:01.000 That's horrible.

02:16:02.000 And they weren't allowed to say anything about it.

02:16:03.000 That's terrible.

02:16:04.000 Yeah.

02:16:05.000 And they were told this is a part of their culture. 1.00

02:16:08.000 Damn. 0.99

02:16:09.000 And so these guys are all over there going, what? 1.00

02:16:11.000 So here you have this culture that the ideology is openly homophobic, openly anti-gay, yet you have all these guys that are having sex with women. 0.98

02:16:24.000 Like I remember I was having this conversation with someone and they were talking about how tolerant Iran is. 0.98

02:16:31.000 And I was like, in what way?

02:16:32.000 Iran has some of the highest levels of trans people in the Muslim world.

02:16:37.000 I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, but do you know why? 0.96

02:16:39.000 It's because being gay is illegal. 1.00

02:16:42.000 Yeah.

02:16:42.000 So the only way these guys can be with their partner is if one of them transitions.

02:16:47.000 That's so fucked up. 0.99

02:16:48.000 Which is crazy. 1.00

02:16:49.000 So fucked up. 0.99

02:16:50.000 So this is the loophole that they're given. 1.00

02:16:52.000 Like, yes, you are allowed to be with this person, but one of you motherfuckers has to decide who the girl is. 1.00

02:16:59.000 That's crazy. 0.99

02:17:00.000 I mean, it's, you know, countries like Dubai, where it's like, yes, it is technically illegal to be gay there, but it's also not persecuted.

02:17:06.000 Okay, so it's like weed in Austin.

02:17:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:17:10.000 You know, so it's like, I know, like, you know, we were going to be going there for a contest, but I ended up not being able to go.

02:17:15.000 And they were like, oh, like, you can't show affection in public, like, you know, you can't, you know, hold hands, you can't kiss, anything like that.

02:17:21.000 But that's kind of standard across the board for straight or gay people.

02:17:25.000 Right, in a country like that.

02:17:26.000 Right, right.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

02:17:28.000 Like in Dubai, you get caught making out with a woman on the beach.

02:17:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:33.000 Yeah, you get in trouble.

02:17:34.000 When you went to Botswana, were you allowed to wear your tights?

02:17:38.000 Or did you tone it down?

02:17:40.000 I did, yeah.

02:17:40.000 You did.

02:17:40.000 Oh, look at your big smile.

02:17:42.000 I know. 1.00

02:17:43.000 You fucking rebel. 1.00

02:17:44.000 Yeah, it was like a subtle fuck you. 1.00

02:17:48.000 I've kind of made it a point. 0.97

02:17:49.000 That was my break into the highest level of this sport, which is why I kind of took advantage of going to World's Strongest Man.

02:17:56.000 But now I'm a little stronger in my convictions, where if a contest is being held in Saudi or any of these other countries, I would absolutely turn it down and be like, no, man.

02:18:04.000 If you're going to hold a contest in a country that openly...

02:18:08.000 You know, kind of hates who I am as a person, then I'm not going to compete with you.

02:18:14.000 Well, also, now you're a known person, so you're holding a higher standard.

02:18:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:18:21.000 You know, back in 2017, before I'd ever competed, I didn't.

02:18:24.000 Now, pretty decent following online.

02:18:26.000 Should I sit here and talk to you?

02:18:29.000 People kind of know who I am.

02:18:32.000 So I would hope that my voice has a little bit of weight behind it.

02:18:37.000 Plus, in that world, you're very successful.

02:18:39.000 So in that world, you're known even more.

02:18:42.000 So you kind of have a responsibility.

02:18:44.000 I get it.

02:18:45.000 Absolutely.

02:18:46.000 Yeah, it's just wild that here we are in 2021, and you've got countries that, like, we saw the video clip earlier, and in China, I think they have a similar attitude, don't they?

02:18:57.000 Yeah, I forget the exact statistic, but I think it's like anywhere between 15 and 17 countries worldwide, it's still legal to be murdered or killed because you're gay. 0.66

02:19:09.000 And do all these countries share a religion?

02:19:12.000 Are they varied?

02:19:13.000 Most of them are like Islamic. 1.00

02:19:15.000 I know like in Russia, it's actually written like if a random person just like beats a gay person to death on the street, they won't be charged with murder.

02:19:24.000 In Russia?

02:19:25.000 Yeah.

02:19:25.000 That's a thing.

02:19:26.000 You do not want to give Russians a green light to beat anyone to death.

02:19:31.000 No, dude.

02:19:31.000 One of the guys I'm competing against this weekend is Russian.

02:19:33.000 Oh, really?

02:19:34.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 He's a pretty cool dude, though.

02:19:36.000 Well, I gotta imagine they're exposed to the internet now, right?

02:19:41.000 So they're exposed to a broader range of human beings and more discussions about things.

02:19:48.000 Yeah.

02:19:48.000 And people get a better sense of that, you know, this is just part of life.

02:19:53.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's necessarily accepted, but it's more tolerated.

02:19:58.000 Which is shitty to think that.

02:20:00.000 Oh, at least I'll be tolerated in this country.

02:20:02.000 It's going to be looked down upon in the future.

02:20:05.000 When people do, whether it's 100 years from now or whatever it is, when there's none of that left, they're going to be looking back on it the same way we look at slavery, the same way we look at all sorts of horrific things that people have done throughout it, the same way we look at the way women were treated before they were even allowed to vote. 0.98

02:20:22.000 We're going to look back on it and go, what the fuck were they thinking? 0.98

02:20:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:26.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:20:27.000 It is crazy.

02:20:28.000 You know, I mean, that's like with the slavery and like segregation thing, like people tend to think that like that was so long ago.

02:20:34.000 What's going on right now in Libya?

02:20:35.000 40, 50 years?

02:20:36.000 No, here in the U.S. even.

02:20:37.000 It was what, 40, 50 years ago only?

02:20:39.000 Like it's not that old.

02:20:41.000 Well, it's arguable it's still going on right now if you consider these people that are incarcerated that shouldn't be and that are innocent.

02:20:51.000 I mean, there's a lot of people in prison right now that are incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses, and they're essentially using them as batteries to generate money.

02:21:02.000 Yep. 0.63

02:21:02.000 It's disgusting. 0.63

02:21:03.000 When you think about a private prison system, when they put people into these jail cells, and when you know that prison union workers, like the guards lobbyists, what they do is prison guards At least they were for a while.

02:21:22.000 They were lobbying to make some drug laws to keep those drug laws because that would make sure that they would have more work.

02:21:30.000 What the hell? 0.94

02:21:31.000 That's crazy. 0.97

02:21:32.000 Yeah, police unions did it. 1.00

02:21:34.000 Prisons, you know, they lobbied to make sure that certain drug laws were kept in place because that would guarantee revenue.

02:21:43.000 Because as soon as you make things valuable, you can make money off of imprisoning people.

02:21:49.000 Which is crazy.

02:21:50.000 The statistics on imprisonment in America are so nuts.

02:21:54.000 When you look at our prisons and our prison population in comparison to the rest of the world, I think only China has similar numbers to ours.

02:22:04.000 That's wild.

02:22:05.000 But you can find out what that is.

02:22:08.000 I know it was outrageous, but I don't know what the numbers are.

02:22:12.000 The comparison, the prison population in the United States versus the way people are imprisoned worldwide, per capita, I think we're off the charts.

02:22:22.000 Well, I think there was a meme that said, when dispensaries look like Apple stores, It's time to release those people that are being incarcerated for weed.

02:22:31.000 Yeah, Chuck D from Public Enemy had that on his Instagram today.

02:22:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:22:35.000 It's like, come on, man.

02:22:36.000 There's people in jail for selling weed, and then you can go to dispensaries in California. 0.99

02:22:40.000 There's a place across the street from the improv in Hollywood that looks like a fucking Apple store. 0.96

02:22:44.000 Dude, I go to the ones in Massachusetts. 1.00

02:22:46.000 They're bougie as hell. 1.00

02:22:49.000 This guy across the street from the improv, they gave you a magnifying glass.

02:22:53.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:54.000 To look at the weed.

02:22:55.000 Like flashlights, you can inspect it, look at the crystals.

02:22:59.000 It's crazy.

02:23:00.000 Okay, so here it is.

02:23:01.000 The prison population of the United States is number one, bigger than China, and China has a billion people.

02:23:07.000 So our prison population is ready for this.

02:23:10.000 2,193,798.

02:23:14.000 China, 1,548,498.

02:23:18.000 China has more than...

02:23:21.000 Yeah, more than three times the amount of people here.

02:23:24.000 And we have over 600,000 more people incarcerated.

02:23:26.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

02:23:28.000 No, more than that.

02:23:29.000 Look, I mean, the numbers are crazy.

02:23:33.000 Yeah, 600,000.

02:23:34.000 And look at what it is per capita.

02:23:37.000 Population per 100, this is where it's really nuts. 0.82

02:23:40.000 118 per China.

02:23:43.000 737 for 100,000 in America.

02:23:47.000 Wow. 1.00

02:23:48.000 That's fucking crazy! 0.99

02:23:50.000 The jail occupants, this is the thing, the China's not available, the occupancy level is 107% in America. 0.99

02:23:57.000 That means there's more people in those jail cells that are even supposed to be in there.

02:24:02.000 Kenyan prisons have an occupancy level of 343,000.

02:24:07.000 Excuse me, 343%.

02:24:10.000 That's wild.

02:24:11.000 Three times overpopulated.

02:24:12.000 It is wild.

02:24:13.000 But if you get down to England, they have 80,000 people in prison.

02:24:18.000 That's nothing.

02:24:19.000 Scotland, 6,000 people in prison.

02:24:21.000 Northern Ireland, 1,000 people in prison.

02:24:24.000 That's wild.

02:24:25.000 That's insane.

02:24:26.000 Yeah, and only 79 per 100,000.

02:24:28.000 Two million here in the U.S. It's crazy.

02:24:31.000 And we're one of the places where...

02:24:34.000 Look at that unsentenced prisoners. 1.00

02:24:36.000 Look at that shit. 1.00

02:24:37.000 21%? 1.00

02:24:39.000 Women prisoners are only 8%.

02:24:41.000 Girls are keeping it together here in America. 1.00

02:24:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:45.000 It's fucked. 1.00

02:24:47.000 So if you think about that, in America, slavery is not legal to buy people and sell people, but it's certainly legal to keep them in a cage. 1.00

02:25:01.000 And keep them in a cage for things that arguably should be legal, like drugs.

02:25:06.000 Yeah.

02:25:07.000 I mean, you look at when states decriminalize or countries decriminalize drugs.

02:25:13.000 I think Portugal was a country that decriminalized all drug charges.

02:25:17.000 And they saw just massive drops in crime, like in everything.

02:25:22.000 Well, the really important thing is it stops organized crime.

02:25:25.000 And that's a giant problem in Mexico. 0.57

02:25:27.000 I mean, we are connected to Mexico and Mexico's organized crime feeds off of our appetite. 0.99

02:25:33.000 Which is so fucked because by making things illegal here, we don't stop people from using drugs. 0.99

02:25:38.000 We use the same amount of drugs. 0.99

02:25:39.000 But we do, unfortunately, set it up where they're gonna get tainted drugs. 0.97

02:25:45.000 That's why fentanyl-laced heroin and shit like that. 0.89

02:25:48.000 People are overdosing so quickly. 0.99

02:25:49.000 I mean, that's insane.

02:25:51.000 But in this country, it would be political suicide if you said we should legalize all drugs.

02:25:56.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:57.000 I think Oregon did it, though.

02:25:58.000 I think Oregon just decriminalized everything, right?

02:26:00.000 Everything.

02:26:01.000 Everything. 1.00

02:26:01.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:26:02.000 Heroin, mushrooms, steroids, whatever you want to do. 1.00

02:26:04.000 They're like, go ahead.

02:26:05.000 Love it. 0.98

02:26:06.000 But meanwhile, it sucks up there. 0.99

02:26:07.000 It does. 0.99

02:26:08.000 It does.

02:26:08.000 It sucks up there.

02:26:09.000 I talked to a guy who said that... 0.99

02:26:12.000 No, I didn't talk to a guy.

02:26:14.000 I read this.

02:26:14.000 Who said he was talking about...

02:26:16.000 He got his car done.

02:26:18.000 He had some body work done in his car.

02:26:20.000 And he said, I got to tell you, these Antifa folks keep me in business.

02:26:23.000 So he said he has been dealing with bullet holes.

02:26:27.000 And that bullet holes in cars are so common up there that it's actually ramping up his business.

02:26:33.000 That's wild.

02:26:33.000 I will say, like, Joey and I went to Portland for a weekend.

02:26:36.000 And...

02:26:37.000 It was crazy walking around there just seeing the amount of homelessness.

02:26:41.000 But what's crazy is the amount of people that choose to be homeless.

02:26:45.000 Right.

02:26:46.000 Like they're laying in their tents with iPhones. 1.00

02:26:48.000 Dirty white people. 1.00

02:26:49.000 That's what it is. 1.00

02:26:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:50.000 Dirty white people. 1.00

02:26:51.000 Probably from rich families that want to be oppressed. 1.00

02:26:54.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 That's the way they become oppressed.

02:26:55.000 Living on my own.

02:26:56.000 I'm one of the unhoused here in Portland and I want to say. 1.00

02:27:00.000 But like, motherfucker, you're laying with an iPhone 13 in your tent. 1.00

02:27:04.000 It's just a weird thing that they have allowed so much fucking chaos up there. 1.00

02:27:09.000 And just people don't feel comfortable about their property and their home and whether or not they're safe walking down the street. 0.97

02:27:15.000 That's insane.

02:27:16.000 It's crazy.

02:27:17.000 But they're pretty open-minded when it comes to LBGTQ issues.

02:27:21.000 They are.

02:27:21.000 I felt very safe there.

02:27:23.000 Isn't it funny?

02:27:25.000 It's like, no one can get it right.

02:27:27.000 There's not like one sweet spot.

02:27:29.000 But I do have to say, Austin is a pretty good sweet spot.

02:27:32.000 It is a pretty good sweet spot.

02:27:33.000 It's a pretty amazing place.

02:27:34.000 I mean, to be fair, not a huge fan of the whole state, but Austin has got it going on.

02:27:39.000 Well, the whole state, so much of it is like really rural and ranches and so old school.

02:27:47.000 Yeah, but then you have...

02:27:48.000 The governor that just signed in this anti-trans athlete bill just this past week.

02:27:53.000 See, this anti-trans athlete thing is where we'll probably disagree.

02:27:58.000 Because I feel like the real issue is...

02:28:04.000 We don't have enough data to find out what's fair and what's not fair.

02:28:09.000 I agree.

02:28:10.000 Especially, look at you. 0.99

02:28:12.000 Okay, if you decided to go into women's power, if there's a world's strongest woman, and you just decided to identify as a woman and enter into that, good fucking luck, ladies. 1.00

02:28:24.000 No, I agree, but this bill specifically here in Texas is for youth athletes. 0.97

02:28:30.000 Mm-hmm.

02:28:30.000 Right?

02:28:31.000 So, youth athletes in this state have to compete in the gender they're assigned at birth.

02:28:37.000 Okay.

02:28:38.000 So...

02:28:39.000 Let's take, for instance, there's a wrestler here in the state.

02:28:42.000 The girl that has to...

02:28:43.000 Yeah.

02:28:44.000 She takes testosterone. 0.99

02:28:44.000 Takes testosterone, has to compete against women, against girls. 0.99

02:28:48.000 That's bad.

02:28:49.000 That is bad.

02:28:50.000 It's bad for her.

02:28:51.000 It's bad for the other athletes, or it's bad for him.

02:28:54.000 It's bad for the other athletes that have to compete against him because, you know, essentially...

02:29:01.000 This biological female now has the hormone profile of a male. 1.00

02:29:05.000 But if you're talking about a 13 or 14-year-old male-to-female athlete...

02:29:09.000 That's when things get different.

02:29:11.000 Is it, though?

02:29:12.000 Have they gone through puberty?

02:29:14.000 Maybe, maybe not.

02:29:15.000 Are they taking estrogen blockers?

02:29:17.000 Possibly.

02:29:17.000 If they're in a transition...

02:29:18.000 It might not even be legal for them to take estrogen blockers in this state.

02:29:23.000 Some states it is legal, some states it's not, right?

02:29:25.000 Yeah, but if that guy can get testosterone... 1.00

02:29:31.000 The flip side should be legal.

02:29:33.000 I mean, should. 0.99

02:29:34.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

02:29:35.000 My issue is if they change their mind. 1.00

02:29:39.000 There's been research on trans, male to female, that if you leave them alone and they don't transition, a lot of them just become gay. 0.75

02:29:48.000 And are happy that they didn't do some sort of hormonal intervention.

02:29:52.000 Yeah, I mean, I think there's...

02:29:54.000 I mean, this is another thing I'll probably get hatred from my community again saying this, but...

02:30:00.000 You know, I read, I was watching a video, I read an article that there was a six-year-old boy in a family.

02:30:07.000 A family had a daughter, a newborn.

02:30:10.000 You know, obviously the six-year-old who was an only child was no longer getting the attention, so, you know, started identifying as female.

02:30:19.000 When they brought the child to therapy to kind of uncover this a little bit more, he felt that the only reason he was able to get attention from his parents was to be a girl because he now had a little sister.

02:30:30.000 It wasn't because he was actually trans. 0.97

02:30:31.000 That sounds like shitty parenting. 0.99

02:30:33.000 I think so, too. 0.97

02:30:34.000 But, like, I think there's definitely instances, but I think, you know, there's also the flip side that is true, that there are trans kids. 0.95

02:30:42.000 Yeah.

02:30:42.000 You know, that know from a young age that they are not male or female or that, you know, they're not the gender that they were given at birth.

02:30:50.000 But the thing is, there's a difference between accepting them for that and who they are and them competing with what may be biological advantages.

02:30:59.000 There was a situation that happened recently where there was a pro MMA fighter who was trans, openly trans, competed and beat a woman who was a biological female.

02:31:13.000 It was apparently a good fight and the trans woman was actually in trouble in the first round and then wound up winning in the second round. 1.00

02:31:21.000 And then people came to me about it and I go, I have no problem with that.

02:31:24.000 I have zero problem with that.

02:31:25.000 You know why?

02:31:26.000 Because...

02:31:27.000 It was all divulged.

02:31:29.000 They knew.

02:31:30.000 There was no confusion.

02:31:32.000 Absolutely.

02:31:33.000 The woman knew what she was doing. 0.56

02:31:34.000 Just like I have no problem with anybody doing anything risky.

02:31:37.000 I have no problem with...

02:31:38.000 Skiing is more dangerous than that. 1.00

02:31:40.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

02:31:41.000 There's a lot of shit that people do that are dangerous. 1.00

02:31:43.000 I don't have any problem with it. 0.99

02:31:44.000 As long as there's no deception.

02:31:46.000 My issue with the Fallon Fox thing was that Fallon Fox didn't tell these women that she was a male for 30 plus years and it only transitioned for two years and said that it was a medical procedure that she didn't have to say that.

02:32:02.000 I say that's nonsense.

02:32:03.000 I agree.

02:32:05.000 But once she did come out, and once everybody knew, then the women she competed against after that, no problem at all. 1.00

02:32:13.000 I mean, but it's also a slippery slope, right?

02:32:15.000 Because I feel like a person shouldn't have to come out just to be able to compete.

02:32:22.000 But they might have an advantage, a physiological advantage, of having testosterone running through their body for 30 years, and then they get off of it, they're going to have significant advantages.

02:32:34.000 There's advantages in reaction time, there's advantages in the size of the heart and the lungs.

02:32:39.000 Bone density.

02:32:40.000 Yeah, there's a lot of advantages.

02:32:41.000 Bone density is a different one, though, because in actual studies, they've shown that in certain African-American women, that they have a similar bone density to some European males this is obviously Depended upon physical exert like we were talking about your bone density is probably much higher than most because of the amount of weight you lift But there's differences in terms of like what part of the world your ancestors are from true I think like the thing that rubs me like what what I hate to see is like,

02:33:10.000 you know Take an athlete like Laurel Hubbard the weightlifter from New Zealand that competed at the Olympics.

02:33:14.000 Yeah I get where people could become upset with that.

02:33:19.000 They feel that she had taken an Olympic spot from biological females, yada, yada, yada. 0.99

02:33:24.000 At the end of the day, though, she as an athlete is just following the guidelines set forth by the IOC. Is the IOC perfect?

02:33:32.000 Fuck no. 1.00

02:33:34.000 This is what's been laid out as acceptable for trans athletes to compete at this level. 1.00

02:33:38.000 Right.

02:33:39.000 So the hate is going in her way, where maybe people should just take a look at what should we do in terms of regulations. 0.94

02:33:45.000 Exactly.

02:33:46.000 Do you think there'll be a time where there's enough trans people to have trans leagues?

02:33:49.000 Like, let's think about it this way.

02:33:53.000 In boxing in the Olympics, we never have males compete against females, right? 0.94

02:33:57.000 Because we acknowledge that males have an advantage.

02:34:01.000 We acknowledge that, and then we separate them.

02:34:04.000 Would it be possible to have males, females, and trans people?

02:34:10.000 Or is there too small of a population?

02:34:13.000 I think one, it's a small population, but two, the general acceptance of trans people would have to be a lot higher for trans people to be comfortable enough to come out in the first place.

02:34:21.000 Well, it's a lot higher now than it's ever been before.

02:34:23.000 Absolutely, it is.

02:34:25.000 So wouldn't we think that along with other acceptance, like the acceptance of gay people, the acceptance of all sorts of other, you know, religious exemptions where you see like the Muslim people wearing the hijabs where they're playing?

02:34:36.000 Yeah.

02:34:37.000 Volleyball, like, that we'll be more tolerant to all sorts of different things in the future.

02:34:41.000 I think it also, that's like, it kind of singles them out in a way.

02:34:47.000 Yeah, but it does make it safe in terms of, like, biological females being able to compete on a level playing field. 1.00

02:34:55.000 I think, like, honestly, I don't know if there's a right answer.

02:35:00.000 I think that's a good answer.

02:35:01.000 Right?

02:35:01.000 Like, I think, because I see both sides of the coin.

02:35:05.000 Right?

02:35:06.000 Because even biological females, there's a spectrum. 1.00

02:35:09.000 100%.

02:35:09.000 Just like biological males.

02:35:10.000 Look at the runner from Africa. 0.87

02:35:13.000 Right, but she's intersex. 1.00

02:35:14.000 She's different.

02:35:15.000 Correct.

02:35:15.000 She actually has a Y chromosome.

02:35:18.000 It's a different situation.

02:35:19.000 Yeah.

02:35:20.000 Yeah.

02:35:20.000 I think she has, like, double X Y. Yeah.

02:35:24.000 So she does produce a certain level of testosterone. 0.90

02:35:26.000 Am I correct about that?

02:35:26.000 I believe so.

02:35:28.000 But I guess the issue is where it's like, okay, this woman, who is a biological woman, does produce higher levels of testosterone, yes.

02:35:36.000 But now she's being told she has to take a testosterone blocker to be able to compete. 0.61

02:35:41.000 To bring it to a certain level, right?

02:35:43.000 Yeah.

02:35:43.000 Whereas you look like Michael Phelps was literally praised because he's a physiological anomaly for not producing lactic acid at the same levels of other athletes.

02:35:53.000 Yeah, when they say that, though, you're talking about a guy who's been training at such a high level.

02:35:57.000 How do we not know that this is an adaptive measure that his body has taken to deal with the fact that he has this, like, super high training load?

02:36:04.000 And you've seen him train. 1.00

02:36:06.000 He's a fucking beast. 1.00

02:36:06.000 Yeah, no, he's a beast. 1.00

02:36:08.000 And, like, I don't know, like, again, like, you know, this is just plain devil's advocate.

02:36:11.000 Like, I mean, Michael Phelps achieved more in his career than I can ever imagine.

02:36:15.000 So not a slight to him, but it's, you know, kind of looking at the, you know, kind of double standard that's being thrown at these athletes.

02:36:21.000 Yeah.

02:36:21.000 It's, like I said, I don't think there's a right answer.

02:36:24.000 I think either way, people are going to be pissed.

02:36:27.000 I would like if one day, I mean, with genetic engineering, with what they're doing now with CRISPR and all these different weird methods of manipulating genes that now they're doing CRISPR 2.0, so it keeps getting better and better.

02:36:41.000 Yeah.

02:36:41.000 I would envision that sometime within our lifetime, you're literally going to be able to become a woman.

02:36:47.000 Like, no ifs, ands, or buts.

02:36:49.000 Like, there's going to be a way to not just have a surgical alteration and intervene with their bodies, with hormones, but instead, you actually will be transitioning to a woman. 0.97

02:37:01.000 I mean, I think that'd be fucking great. 0.91

02:37:02.000 I think, like, even trans people would want that. 0.98

02:37:05.000 I would hope.

02:37:06.000 If you gave them the option, like if you had the red pill to blue pill with Mobius or Morpheus, if one of them was a pill that made you not want to be trans anymore, made you happy being a biological male, and one of them was a pill that turned you into a woman, 0.55

02:37:25.000 an actual woman, which one would you take? 1.00

02:37:28.000 I think it would be a high percentage of the trans pill.

02:37:31.000 It would be nice if you could try it out for a little while, you know?

02:37:34.000 Can I get a trial size?

02:37:35.000 30 day trial period.

02:37:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:37:38.000 But I think it boils down to these trans people I feel like in that situation,

02:37:54.000 red pill versus blue pill, majority would go towards just being a biological whatever sex they feel they are. 0.84

02:38:01.000 Yeah, I think so, too.

02:38:02.000 I think so, too. 1.00

02:38:03.000 And then I think there's probably some of them that like, and this is fine too, there's some of them that like identifying as a woman but keeping their penis. 1.00

02:38:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:12.000 And having sex with it. 0.99

02:38:14.000 Absolutely. 0.99

02:38:14.000 And this is how they like to live. 0.99

02:38:16.000 And that shouldn't be a problem either.

02:38:18.000 Good for them.

02:38:19.000 Yeah.

02:38:19.000 When it comes to sports, that's just where things get slippery.

02:38:23.000 It's such a gray area.

02:38:25.000 It is.

02:38:25.000 And even me being a professional athlete and a gay man, I think what's funny is people automatically look to me as like, Oh, you know everything about this entire situation.

02:38:35.000 I'm like, fuck no, man. 0.99

02:38:37.000 I'm gay. 1.00

02:38:38.000 I know about dudes and dudes.

02:38:39.000 That's about it.

02:38:41.000 Well, yeah, it's a different thing.

02:38:43.000 And it's a thing that we're trying to understand.

02:38:47.000 And it varies with person to person.

02:38:51.000 And I think we are seeing great strides in it because more people are feeling comfortable coming out as trans.

02:38:56.000 So there is some actual data to grasp onto now where we can start to see better trends and understand things a little bit better.

02:39:04.000 I thought it was funny, though, when Caitlyn Jenner came out against trans athletes and everybody was so hating on her. 1.00

02:39:08.000 She's such a bitch. 1.00

02:39:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:11.000 Why is she a bitch? 1.00

02:39:12.000 Because of that or something else? 1.00

02:39:15.000 I think, honestly, I feel like she doesn't have any moral ground and she just panders to whoever she thinks is going to listen to her.

02:39:22.000 It's possible.

02:39:23.000 It's not, I mean...

02:39:24.000 You know, just being candid.

02:39:27.000 Yeah, it's certainly possible. 0.99

02:39:28.000 I may seem like an asshole for saying that, but... 0.99

02:39:30.000 Well, she's fairly old, too, now. 0.99

02:39:33.000 Yeah.

02:39:33.000 Right?

02:39:33.000 And, like, the world was a different place.

02:39:35.000 Your mind formed back when there was, like, four TV channels, and you were on the Wheaties box in the 70s, and now you're dealing with the fucking chaos of today's choices and options and identities. 0.87

02:39:45.000 Oh, absolutely. 0.90

02:39:46.000 I mean, that's...

02:39:47.000 I couldn't... 0.98

02:39:48.000 I understand she has gone through some crazy shit to be where she's at. 0.96

02:39:52.000 I just think she could be going about it a little more tactfully. 0.97

02:39:55.000 Well, it's also a function of answering a question in a parking lot from TMZ. Yeah, that's not great.

02:40:05.000 Don't do that.

02:40:05.000 Especially if you're like, what?

02:40:07.000 What'd you ask me?

02:40:08.000 I think there should be compete against girls. 0.98

02:40:12.000 I don't know.

02:40:13.000 It's not a good way to answer a question.

02:40:17.000 Especially a question like that, which is a culturally significant question coming from someone who is genuinely one of the most famous trans people alive.

02:40:26.000 If not the most.

02:40:27.000 The most, right?

02:40:29.000 I would say so, yeah.

02:40:30.000 The most.

02:40:30.000 The most famous trans person alive.

02:40:31.000 Yeah, I mean have other people like Laverne Cox who's known in the actor's world and stuff like that, but which I don't know who that is.

02:40:38.000 I know she's Caitlyn Jenner gorgeous Yeah, Laverne Laverne Cox is I mean I guess because I'm gay I know who she is, but I'm sure sure she's famous, but there's no way she's as famous as Caitlyn Jenner I gotta think so when you are Stepping to the queen, that's what it is.

02:40:53.000 That's the head honcho of the trans world.

02:40:59.000 Or at least the most famous person.

02:41:01.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people also have a lot of issue with her because of her experience has been so much different from the majority of trans people.

02:41:08.000 Oh, right, right.

02:41:10.000 Huge acceptance.

02:41:11.000 Women of the year immediately.

02:41:13.000 Cover of Vanity Fair.

02:41:15.000 ESPN fluff piece.

02:41:16.000 Yeah, they just hand it to her in a silver platter where that is not the experience of...

02:41:20.000 Right.

02:41:21.000 The majority of trans people.

02:41:22.000 The thing about it is, though, did it help trans people or did it not?

02:41:27.000 Like, what do you think happened?

02:41:28.000 I think it became really divisive.

02:41:31.000 It still is.

02:41:32.000 You know, I think there's a really big divide of people that are like, this is great.

02:41:35.000 Caitlyn Jenner is in the forefront.

02:41:37.000 You know, she is an out and proud trans woman. 0.99

02:41:40.000 And then there's other people that are like, shut her the fuck up. 1.00

02:41:45.000 Now, what's the general consensus about what's going on right now with Dave Chappelle? 0.96

02:41:51.000 You know, I figured you were going to ask me about this.

02:41:54.000 Well, I wasn't going to until we started talking about trans athletes and trans this.

02:41:58.000 Here's my thing, and I may be more open-minded at accepting of all this stuff, but in my experience, Dave's been making fun of Everybody for forever and including himself.

02:42:09.000 Oh, he doesn't hold back, right?

02:42:11.000 I mean, but did you see the special?

02:42:13.000 I did.

02:42:14.000 Did you think he was making fun of trans people like in a mean way?

02:42:18.000 No, I think I think like Over overwhelmingly like the stuff that he says like I don't think is mean-spirited No, the thing I have an issue with is when he just says like yeah trans people are just funny to me Like I don't think their experience is funny. 0.84

02:42:33.000 I think it's hard and Hmm right like I think is that one of the quotes that he said I see I don't know if that was in this one or our previous one But he you know there was one point where he says you know like you know But at the end of the day, I just think it's fucking funny And I think like that's honestly out of everything he said that's the only thing I've ever had an issue with Because I don't think somebody's struggle is ever funny,

02:42:58.000 right?

02:43:00.000 Do I think you can make fun of it?

02:43:02.000 Yeah, here's a struggle.

02:43:03.000 It's funny One of them Pray the Gay Away preachers? 1.00

02:43:07.000 Okay, that's funny as fuck. 1.00

02:43:08.000 Come on, that's funny. 0.99

02:43:08.000 Yeah, that's funny. 0.99

02:43:09.000 That's really funny. 1.00

02:43:10.000 Because 90% of them are still jerking off to gay porn right after they do that. 1.00

02:43:14.000 Exactly! 1.00

02:43:15.000 90?

02:43:16.000 Isn't it 100?

02:43:18.000 Yeah, you know, so like, to be honest, like, I really didn't have an issue with what he said.

02:43:22.000 Right.

02:43:22.000 I feel like a lot of people didn't actually watch a special.

02:43:25.000 They just heard that it's transphobic and they heard...

02:43:27.000 Jumped on it.

02:43:28.000 The story at the end, I watched him work it out over a year.

02:43:32.000 We've been touring together.

02:43:33.000 Yeah.

02:43:33.000 And the story is about a trans woman who he loved, who was a very dear friend to his, who he actually had opened up for him at one of his shows and he talks about it and she defended him and then she was dragged by the trans community and she wound up committing suicide and it was devastating to him.

02:43:50.000 That sucks. 0.96

02:43:50.000 And that's the thing. 0.96

02:43:52.000 He talks about how he has gay friends, lesbian friends, trans friends.

02:43:56.000 He doesn't care he loves everybody.

02:43:59.000 He really does.

02:43:59.000 If you meet him, he's one of the most loving and friendly people I've ever met in my life.

02:44:04.000 But here's the thing with Dave Chappelle. 0.98

02:44:05.000 If you have a heartbeat, he's probably going to try to make fucking fun of you. 0.99

02:44:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:09.000 Regardless of who the fuck you are. 1.00

02:44:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:11.000 You know?

02:44:11.000 And I think that's just like, people lose sight of that, right?

02:44:13.000 Like, for me, it's comedy.

02:44:15.000 Yeah.

02:44:16.000 Right?

02:44:16.000 Like, everybody's free game.

02:44:18.000 Yeah.

02:44:19.000 That's my feeling.

02:44:20.000 If you just take up that one piece of him just saying, like, trans people are funny, I think, to me, it changes the context.

02:44:28.000 That's really the only thing I've ever had issue with what he said.

02:44:30.000 That is the problem with taking any little tiny snippet of comedy out of context.

02:44:35.000 Because he'll say things and then balance them out.

02:44:38.000 Like, he'll say one thing that makes it look like he's making fun of one person and then making fun of himself later.

02:44:45.000 Or he'll make fun of himself first and then he'll make fun of them later.

02:44:48.000 And it's like...

02:44:48.000 It's meant to be taken in in its entirety.

02:44:52.000 Yeah.

02:44:52.000 Because it's a vision into his perspective.

02:44:55.000 Here's the world through my eyes.

02:44:57.000 I think the thing is, too, is like the media obviously doesn't help, right?

02:45:00.000 Because just a couple of years ago, here he is defending, you know, George Floyd and the George Floyd murder.

02:45:06.000 We're talking about that.

02:45:07.000 And Fox News is trying to cancel him for that.

02:45:09.000 Now Fox News is praising him for this movement.

02:45:13.000 You know, so I think it's like it just makes it so divisive and it's just so easy because of what he does.

02:45:19.000 Like it is very in your face and he doesn't hide back.

02:45:22.000 He doesn't hide behind anything and he stands up for everything that he says.

02:45:26.000 But I think it's just so easy, like you said, to take four minutes out of a two hour special.

02:45:31.000 And take that for the word that he said.

02:45:34.000 Well, what's crazy about this special in particular that he's getting heat from is that they're not quoting any of it.

02:45:39.000 No.

02:45:39.000 There's no one thing where they say, he should not have said this.

02:45:43.000 They're just saying his hateful transphobic special.

02:45:46.000 And I'm seeing these people that are tagging on to that that I know haven't listened to it or watched it.

02:45:51.000 No.

02:45:52.000 And they're saying that.

02:45:53.000 It's funny, like, if you go on YouTube, there's literally, like, a 25 or 30 minute video of Dave Chappelle's trans jokes.

02:45:59.000 He's got that many trans jokes?

02:46:01.000 Yeah, it's a pretty long one.

02:46:02.000 What's the problem is, like, he keeps defending it, right?

02:46:04.000 Like, he keeps getting attacked.

02:46:05.000 He makes a trans joke, he gets attacked, then he defends it and makes more trans jokes, then he gets attacked.

02:46:11.000 Yeah.

02:46:11.000 And then the last one is, like, 20 minutes of a story about a trans person.

02:46:16.000 Yes.

02:46:16.000 He might want to retire that subject.

02:46:18.000 Yeah, I mean, I think at this point it's low-hanging fruit.

02:46:22.000 But still, it feels like it's relevant to his life and his experience, unfortunately, because this is a thing he's dealing with, is being attacked for his bits.

02:46:31.000 And for him, it's therapy, right?

02:46:33.000 That's part of the reason why he does this.

02:46:35.000 It's also, whenever there's a thing that's in the news that becomes a public subject...

02:46:41.000 He has an obligation to discuss it.

02:46:44.000 Yeah.

02:46:44.000 Because he doesn't have a podcast.

02:46:45.000 He does, but he doesn't really do it that often.

02:46:48.000 Yeah.

02:46:48.000 And he did like a series of them for Luminary.

02:46:52.000 But this is how he gets his opinions out.

02:46:55.000 For sure.

02:46:56.000 He gets it out through his comedy.

02:46:57.000 Yeah, and I think, like I said, at the end of the day, it is what it is.

02:47:01.000 I didn't take offense to it.

02:47:02.000 You know, it's just that one piece that I just wish wasn't there.

02:47:06.000 Well said.

02:47:07.000 All right.

02:47:07.000 Unfortunately, I got to wrap this up.

02:47:09.000 I got to get the fuck out of here. 0.98

02:47:10.000 Yeah, we've been talking for a long time. 0.97

02:47:11.000 I appreciate you, brother.

02:47:11.000 It's always good to see you.

02:47:12.000 Thank you, man.

02:47:13.000 Good luck in your rehab.

02:47:14.000 And I'm telling you, take into account my idea about the bear.

02:47:18.000 I'm down for it.

02:47:19.000 That'd be fun. 0.99

02:47:19.000 Kill a bear, wear his skin, eat his meat, and wear that skin. 0.99

02:47:24.000 Come out with your comeback. 0.99

02:47:27.000 Which I love it.

02:47:28.000 I have bear skin.

02:47:29.000 Full-length coat.

02:47:30.000 Beautiful.

02:47:30.000 All right, Rob, tell everybody your social media, where all your stuff is, where people can get ahold of you.

02:47:37.000 Yeah, easy enough to find me on Instagram at worlds underscore strongest underscore gay because of you. 0.81

02:47:41.000 Last time I bought worldstrongestgay.com. 0.93

02:47:44.000 That is the website, so you can find me there.

02:47:45.000 Beautiful.

02:47:46.000 And you can also find me on my new business venture at strongmancorporation.com.

02:47:50.000 Anybody, feel free to contact me directly, rkerney at strongmancorporation.com if you're interested in becoming a part of it.

02:47:55.000 I think it's awesome that you're running that.

02:47:57.000 Thank you.

02:47:57.000 I really think it has massive potential, too.

02:47:59.000 I'm super excited.

02:48:00.000 It just needs the right push.

02:48:02.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:48:03.000 All right.

02:48:04.000 Bye, everybody.

02:48:04.000 Peace.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 28, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1727 - Rob Kearney

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