The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #173 - Peter Joseph

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00:06:04.000 All right, gentlemen and ladies and everybody else that's tuning in, Peter Joseph is here. 0.99

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00:06:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:23.000 First of all, before we even start this interview, I want to tell you that I'm ready to join your cult.

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00:06:30.000 I've seen other cult members and leaders before.

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00:06:45.000 It's dead on. 0.96

00:06:47.000 Peter Joseph, you don't know, is the creator of Zeitgeist, the original movie, and then all these follow-up movies, and now it's actually, you know, you refer to it as a movement.

00:06:57.000 And that's not cocky in any way, shape, or form.

00:06:59.000 That's just what it is.

00:07:00.000 It's a movement, you know?

00:07:01.000 So the Zeitgeist movement, you know, TZM on Twitter, the TZ movement on Twitter, and it's...

00:07:10.000 A fascinating thing that's going on right now.

00:07:12.000 And your movies and your movement, I mean, can you say it's yours now?

00:07:17.000 Now it's sort of like it's become a life of its own, right?

00:07:20.000 No one owns it.

00:07:21.000 And whether people like it or not, they're a part of the Zeitgeist Movement one way or another.

00:07:26.000 What is the Zeitgeist Movement?

00:07:27.000 It's the definition of the times. 0.96

00:07:28.000 It's the cultural nuance of all the shit that we believe and think is true and how we progress through time, hence the Zeitgeist Movement. 0.87

00:07:36.000 So whether anyone likes it or not, they're a part of the Zeitgeist movement. 0.89

00:07:39.000 So I just brought that into that particular context. 0.99

00:07:42.000 How did you become this smooth-talking bad motherfucker? 1.00

00:07:47.000 How did this happen? 1.00

00:07:48.000 How did you become this guy?

00:07:49.000 Because it's not just that you have all these great ideas.

00:07:52.000 You never use the word, um, all right?

00:07:55.000 You just sail through these sentences.

00:07:57.000 And you're just like, you're a musician?

00:07:59.000 Is that what your background is?

00:08:00.000 I am.

00:08:00.000 I'm a musician.

00:08:01.000 I'm a percussionist.

00:08:02.000 Classical percussionist.

00:08:03.000 That's what I tried to do for years and years.

00:08:05.000 But I didn't fit in the whole orchestral establishment, percussion scene.

00:08:09.000 Now percussion, enlighten me, it's not just, it's not drums.

00:08:13.000 It's drums, you have the mallet family, then there's the kettle drums, like timpani, then you have hand percussion.

00:08:18.000 You learn them all?

00:08:19.000 Well, as much as I could, given the time that I had.

00:08:22.000 In my studio in Culver City, I have a whole section of my little house blocked off for Whenever I can pursue my old hobby again, which seems to be less and less, unfortunately.

00:08:32.000 Can people listen to some of your stuff online?

00:08:34.000 Do you have a CD? You know, I'm working on compiling.

00:08:36.000 I've been hesitant to do that because my identity's been so bizarre.

00:08:39.000 As a filmmaker, which I never intended to be, actually.

00:08:42.000 I think I sent you the link of the first Zeitgeist performance, which was a performance.

00:08:46.000 It wasn't intended to be a documentary in the sense, formalically, as you would traditionally assume.

00:08:50.000 How did it morph?

00:08:52.000 What happened?

00:08:53.000 Well, in 2007, I did a six-night run in Lower Manhattan, free.

00:08:57.000 It was a thing I spent a lot of money on, prepared this piece over the course of seven months.

00:09:02.000 Didn't expect it to go anywhere because basically I had no rights to actually pursue this as a film.

00:09:08.000 So this is a firm...

00:09:10.000 Firmly one shot off, fair use type of deal.

00:09:13.000 So I did it, publicized it.

00:09:15.000 People came.

00:09:16.000 Everything was cool.

00:09:17.000 Everyone liked it.

00:09:17.000 It was very dramatic.

00:09:19.000 Some people walked out.

00:09:20.000 Some people really liked it.

00:09:20.000 Some inspired Q&A. It was a catharsis for me.

00:09:23.000 I was in advertising. 0.99

00:09:24.000 I was doing shit that I didn't appreciate doing. 0.99

00:09:26.000 It's what the system does. 0.99

00:09:27.000 It forces you into a particular pocket for the most of us.

00:09:30.000 For a lot of us.

00:09:31.000 We don't necessarily enjoy what we're doing.

00:09:33.000 So this is a catharsis.

00:09:34.000 And the unique thing about it is it was so honest.

00:09:36.000 This is a very honest work for me.

00:09:38.000 I didn't really think about approaching a demographic.

00:09:41.000 And when it went online on Google Video, before YouTube, this is when Google Video was the only internet video site that actually had full-length stuff.

00:09:49.000 And very rarely you'd hear about feature-length films getting there.

00:09:52.000 And I just happened to hit that paradigm right then And it went crazy viral, and the lawsuits were threatened, and everyone thought it was some big documentary, big production.

00:10:01.000 They had no idea the background of it.

00:10:02.000 What kind of lawsuits were threatened?

00:10:03.000 Just the people that are in it.

00:10:04.000 That film was a fair use film.

00:10:06.000 It was not intended to be released.

00:10:08.000 So when people saw like 20, 30 million views in the first year, everyone's seeing dollar signs as though...

00:10:13.000 I mean, I wasn't even selling anything.

00:10:14.000 I wasn't intending to.

00:10:16.000 And then eventually I went back with the tail between my legs with all these people.

00:10:20.000 The whole thing is full.

00:10:21.000 The whole thing is a montage of the zeitgeist.

00:10:23.000 It's just one big cluster of all sorts of different personalities kind of mushed together.

00:10:28.000 And most of them supported it.

00:10:30.000 And then some of them got a little greedy.

00:10:32.000 But everyone got paid off for the most part.

00:10:34.000 And there's still a few rocks left unturned.

00:10:37.000 But the statute of limitations is now up on that.

00:10:39.000 So if anyone wants to sue me, you're going to have a greater effect. 0.99

00:10:42.000 What a pain in the ass. 1.00

00:10:44.000 Yeah, well... 1.00

00:10:44.000 Isn't it all just stuff that's just out there in the public record, essentially? 1.00

00:10:48.000 It is, but...

00:10:48.000 You can't put it together?

00:10:50.000 Anyone can sue anybody for anything if they think they can get money out of it, especially in the film and media industry.

00:10:56.000 So you obviously are surprised by the response of the first film.

00:10:59.000 You had no idea any of this was going to happen.

00:11:01.000 God, no.

00:11:01.000 You certainly had no intention to make a second film.

00:11:03.000 I never considered myself a filmmaker.

00:11:05.000 I was always musically driven.

00:11:07.000 And then Addendum came out in 2008, and that was...

00:11:11.000 That was picked up by the Art of His Film Festival, shown here at the Egyptian Theater.

00:11:14.000 That had a huge response, even larger in a certain sense, because it was the first time it had been publicly displayed, this whole phenomenon.

00:11:21.000 And then that carried over into the Zeitgeist Movement, which was basically the thought experiment I had.

00:11:26.000 I was like, okay, we have these film series.

00:11:27.000 We have plenty of people like Michael Moore making films.

00:11:29.000 Do they really support change, though?

00:11:31.000 Are they really doing anything to actually initiate a community effort to get something going?

00:11:36.000 And at that point in time, I had no idea what that would actually be.

00:11:40.000 I figured, well, it says it in the movie.

00:11:42.000 I don't know if you remember the Zeitgeist Addendum.

00:11:43.000 It says, you know, join the movement.

00:11:45.000 Start the largest critical mass the world's ever seen to try and get some change going.

00:11:48.000 And it seemed to take root.

00:11:50.000 And then from there, it's been this kind of bubbling, changing, and morphing kind of phenomenon that's global.

00:11:56.000 Now the Zeitgeist Movement, which is...

00:11:58.000 Which is a shared community.

00:11:59.000 I want to make people understand it isn't like a movement that any world's ever seen.

00:12:03.000 This is just a group of people that have a similar value set.

00:12:06.000 That's the only way I describe it.

00:12:07.000 It's the ultimate anti-institution.

00:12:09.000 So I often don't even reference the movement.

00:12:11.000 I reference the ideas behind it.

00:12:13.000 So you make this documentary, it gets out, and then all of a sudden you realize that there's this crazy movement behind it.

00:12:20.000 Now how do you attempt to How do you organize it?

00:12:22.000 How do you attempt?

00:12:23.000 Do you not?

00:12:24.000 Do you just get out of its way and let it organize itself, like sort of an Occupy Wall Street type situation?

00:12:28.000 It's a combination of the two.

00:12:29.000 We started off at a self-organizing capacity.

00:12:31.000 We had volunteers around the world.

00:12:33.000 It was beautiful, actually, just getting all this communication from different demographics.

00:12:37.000 I mean, the whole Zeitgeist spectrum, the audience, if you will, for not just the films, but for the movement, but paying attention to these ideas is totally vast.

00:12:43.000 You have people that are...

00:12:44.000 I've met kids that are like 10 years old with a little Zeitgeist moving t-shirt on up to 80-year-old men that are looking for something different.

00:12:52.000 So it's amazing.

00:12:52.000 And the ethnicity differences are massive.

00:12:54.000 I want to be in Israel next month giving a lecture.

00:12:56.000 It's truly unique.

00:12:58.000 So it's self-organized as it began.

00:13:00.000 We started to pinpoint different coordination positions, people in charge of media.

00:13:02.000 So now you go places and give lectures as well.

00:13:05.000 I do.

00:13:06.000 And what is the lecture essentially?

00:13:08.000 Is it just you breaking down how this got started or is it you talking about your perspective?

00:13:13.000 Well, usually it's lectures broken into three, or at least now the lecture's broken into three.

00:13:18.000 Typical lectures broken into the first part being what defines awareness and logic and reason, how we think about information, we're dismissing the messenger, look at logically X, Y's and Z's, forget the subjects, it's all about the train of thought, that the process of thought is irrespective of personality.

00:13:35.000 There's a huge conflict in society between logic and psychology, and they're very, very different, and I can expand on that as we go.

00:13:42.000 Second section is the criticism of the current socio-economic platform, which I consider to be one massive corruption.

00:13:47.000 We talk about corruption, you know, a hard drive corrupts, it's messed up, or a criminal pulls out a gun, robs a convenience store.

00:13:52.000 It's a corruption of the system, the socio-economic system, legal system.

00:13:56.000 To me, the entire socio-economic system, namely economic, Not only politics, politics is an outgrowth, but I won't jump on that one, is one massive corruption of what it means to live on this planet, what it means to perfect good public health.

00:14:12.000 So there's that section.

00:14:14.000 That's massive in most of the criticisms and presentations I do.

00:14:17.000 Then there's the solution, which supports a train of thought, which has many different names as far as a new social system, which I don't even really address anymore.

00:14:24.000 I just like to go for the train of thought.

00:14:26.000 And what it comes down to is you have to have a system that's based on planetary resource management.

00:14:31.000 Very fundamental stuff, by the way.

00:14:33.000 A system that's not based on growth and all the strange infinite growth paradigm stuff.

00:14:37.000 Resource management as a whole community.

00:14:39.000 One giant community gets together and says, okay, what do we need and how do we keep everybody happy and healthy?

00:14:45.000 Globally.

00:14:46.000 And you think about it in the broadest symbiotic sense.

00:14:48.000 One of the great psychological revelations or intellectual revelations that we've had as species is that...

00:14:54.000 Is that we've been living in these divisive kind of tribalistic concepts and we assume normality with it because of how long they persisted.

00:15:00.000 But we tend to find that what we find now as far as information is concerned is that we live in a global system.

00:15:05.000 We live in a symbiosis that stretches outward almost to infinity.

00:15:09.000 So the very idea of separation becomes literally, tangibly unapplicable to the way we approach our life, the way we approach knowledge, the way we approach society.

00:15:19.000 The way we approach economics, which is the defining feature of our existence, how we get what we need, how we relate, of course, the renewable elements, the regeneration, if you will, the omni-regeneration, in the words of Buckminster Fuller, of everything, how do we respect that?

00:15:34.000 And the ultimate realization is that we have to begin to unify all concepts.

00:15:39.000 You see this in intellectual things.

00:15:41.000 Consilience is a book by Edward O. Wilson.

00:15:43.000 Early on in the 1980s, he wrote about this concept of all the The disciplines starting to merge together.

00:15:49.000 So you can't talk about chemistry without talking about biology or the other way around.

00:15:53.000 You can't talk about physics without talking about mathematics.

00:15:55.000 You can't separate anything anymore.

00:15:58.000 And that's a unique phenomenon that's occurring.

00:16:00.000 And you can stretch that train of thought backwards and forwards.

00:16:03.000 In my approach, as far as simplicity, the economic system has to be unified and has to have a very simple respect of what actually supports us.

00:16:12.000 How would that transition take place?

00:16:14.000 I mean, even if you were to engineer the perfect utopian, mathematic formula for keeping everybody...

00:16:19.000 No such thing because...

00:16:20.000 What do you do with the money that you have now?

00:16:21.000 Does it just dissolve?

00:16:23.000 Do we start from scratch?

00:16:24.000 Like, you know, how does that work?

00:16:25.000 How does it transition from one monetary system that makes no sense, where there's massive amounts of corruption and people with huge amounts of resources that they've probably gotten by what would be considered immoral, although legal, ways?

00:16:37.000 Sure.

00:16:38.000 What do you do with their money?

00:16:40.000 Well, there's a few answers to that one.

00:16:42.000 Let's get rid of the word the utopian, though.

00:16:45.000 I mean, I don't mean that in a sense of a fantasy that's impossible of being achieved.

00:16:50.000 I mean it as ideal.

00:16:51.000 Like Boulder, Colorado, a friend of mine said to me once, it's a working utopia.

00:16:56.000 And I believe it is.

00:16:57.000 I don't mean it in a sense of impossible.

00:17:00.000 Utopia is a touchy word.

00:17:02.000 I like the word.

00:17:03.000 Finite.

00:17:04.000 Sometimes it's dismissed as finite.

00:17:05.000 Yeah.

00:17:05.000 It's only the best that we know up until now.

00:17:08.000 Right.

00:17:08.000 And the great flaw is that we're not actually doing anything based on the knowledge we have today.

00:17:13.000 But to answer your question, how do we do that?

00:17:15.000 How do we transition?

00:17:16.000 The system's failing.

00:17:17.000 We have an unemployment crisis, we have a debt crisis, and we have an energy crisis that's looming.

00:17:25.000 Three of the nails in the coffin, as far as I'm concerned, that interweave in certain ways, if you will.

00:17:31.000 We also have another crisis, and that crisis is the way people raise children. 0.99

00:17:35.000 We have the crisis of, you know, too many people that don't give a fuck about their kids, and they're raising these little problems. 0.98

00:17:41.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:17:41.000 These people that are, you know... 0.98

00:17:43.000 We have a crisis of consciousness, by all means.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:17:45.000 And that absolutely transmits from parent to children, you know, when they're not paying attention to their kids or when they're bad parenting or, you know, whatever they have.

00:17:54.000 Well, that brings up the...

00:17:54.000 It gets the same sort of...

00:17:56.000 It's like, how do we change society at the core?

00:17:59.000 Because really, you've got to get to them, too.

00:18:01.000 That's a big percentage of people that are impoverished and uneducated.

00:18:04.000 It's great for strip clubs. 0.99

00:18:06.000 It's great for a lot of things. 0.85

00:18:07.000 It's great for porn, too.

00:18:09.000 You want a lot of chaos.

00:18:10.000 You want a lot of messy things.

00:18:12.000 It's great for fighting, too.

00:18:14.000 But I think that's a big problem, right?

00:18:18.000 I mean, isn't it?

00:18:18.000 Hence the nature of what the Zeitgeist Movement really defines itself as.

00:18:21.000 You can talk about these solution-oriented things, but really it's the evolution of human awareness.

00:18:27.000 The real crisis is the crisis of ignorance.

00:18:30.000 There's no energy crisis.

00:18:31.000 It's really just a crisis of misunderstanding what we're doing.

00:18:34.000 The fact that people have become addicted to the money that's going around.

00:18:39.000 The people that are taking money from corporations.

00:18:42.000 It's stopped becoming a matter of whether or not it's a good thing.

00:18:46.000 It's precedented.

00:18:47.000 There's a precedent.

00:18:48.000 It's already in place.

00:18:49.000 They're making the money.

00:18:50.000 They're going to continue to make the money.

00:18:51.000 And they want to make the money.

00:18:52.000 And so anything where you say, well, hey, man, I don't think that what we're doing is really fair.

00:18:56.000 I mean, we're being unfairly influenced by corporations. 0.99

00:18:58.000 Uh, dude, we're making this fucking money. 0.99

00:19:01.000 We've been making this money. 0.99

00:19:02.000 We're going to continue to make this money.

00:19:03.000 You don't just stop.

00:19:05.000 No, no, no.

00:19:06.000 It's very difficult to just stop.

00:19:07.000 That's why the failure is so important, if you will.

00:19:09.000 The failure that's on hand is not going to be altered by any new legislations or any fail-safes the establishment might have.

00:19:19.000 There's no way the system can persist.

00:19:22.000 For a number of different reasons I could throw out there.

00:19:24.000 First of all, the Occupy movement, right?

00:19:26.000 Everyone says maybe that at this point in time the division of rich versus poor is more than it ever was.

00:19:32.000 Actually, it's not.

00:19:33.000 It's not.

00:19:33.000 It's always been structurally classed.

00:19:36.000 There's a structural classism built into this system.

00:19:38.000 Occupy has only been the first to really acknowledge that on the global scale, An issue that's been there from the very beginning because every element of this system supports that and it's getting worse.

00:19:49.000 We live in a plutonomy now.

00:19:51.000 There's more money moving amongst the upper five percentile, influencing GDP so much money that it makes the lower percentiles movements of money irrelevant.

00:20:00.000 So from a firmly economic standpoint, the lower classes are literally irrelevant. 0.99

00:20:05.000 To the function of the economy, therefore to the powers that be, if you will, to the corporate establishment, and to the taxation, fueling, and big business that fuels all government.

00:20:15.000 And this is all because the system has been manipulated?

00:20:17.000 No, this is because the system is intrinsically flawed based on the need for differential advantage and an old form of tribalism, psychological tribalism that you have to gain advantage over others, a socially Darwinistic view.

00:20:30.000 And what's unique, even though I hold that to be self-evident and true to the human condition, if we were both existing in extreme scarcity and we had nothing to eat, we'd end up fighting each other most likely to survive.

00:20:41.000 That's the natural human instinct.

00:20:43.000 What's happened now, though, is that the...

00:20:45.000 I'm jumping ahead here, but follow me, is that the entire...

00:20:49.000 The infrastructure of society, the human population so large, their industry has become so big.

00:20:54.000 We have Fukushima meltdown, we have the nuclear weapons, we have nano weapons that are on the horizon.

00:21:01.000 What we have now is we can't have the risk of this type of mentality Being the forefront of our psychology.

00:21:08.000 We can't have the self-betterment of the individual to be the forefront of us because it goes against our long-term evolutionary fitness, which means the entire species is at risk.

00:21:16.000 So to put it in a sentence, the self-interest that tends to dominate now, that really is the psychological fuel of all the motivations that you see.

00:21:24.000 Greed, if you will.

00:21:25.000 Greed is just an extension of the basic motivation.

00:21:27.000 There's really no such thing as greed.

00:21:28.000 It's just there in the system.

00:21:30.000 All of that that you see is going to fuck us all up until we begin to realize that we can't operate this way because it's going to destroy us. 0.54

00:21:38.000 Does that make sense? 0.95

00:21:39.000 Nuclear war was the best example. 1.00

00:21:41.000 You don't need passports to see the fallout.

00:21:43.000 Nuclear winter would have taken over the entire planet if the US and Russia went to nuclear war, even a minor war.

00:21:50.000 It would have destroyed almost the entire human species.

00:21:53.000 And a few scientists realized that and said, you know what?

00:21:55.000 This isn't really a partisan or a country or nationalist issue anymore.

00:21:59.000 This is a life issue.

00:22:00.000 So the greater our technology, the greater our ability, the greater vulnerability we have, and the more clear it becomes how we have to unify and make our self-interest become social interest if we intend to survive as a species.

00:22:14.000 And this is the great paradigm shift of all human thought.

00:22:17.000 So what do you do with all the weapons?

00:22:20.000 Well, you get rid of them, dismantle them, and hope you can regurgitate them into something effective.

00:22:25.000 Imagine if we were to take over the Pentagon and use their equipment for monitoring the Earth's resources, use the amazing surveillance equipment to actually have a productive use.

00:22:33.000 It would be incredible what we could do.

00:22:35.000 Cancer.

00:22:35.000 I think everything you say is brilliant, and I agree with it 100%.

00:22:39.000 But when I think about it being implemented in today's society, I think of the human beings that exist right now and how they've been running their lives based on greed, real greed.

00:22:50.000 Based on real ignorance, based on violence, you're going to get these people and everybody's going to go hold hands and sing Kumbaya together.

00:23:00.000 I feel like there has to be something.

00:23:02.000 There has to be some sort of event that unites people.

00:23:06.000 There's not going to be a stopping of the separation of rich and poor.

00:23:09.000 The rich are only going to get richer and smaller and smaller.

00:23:11.000 And if you want to see anger, just wait.

00:23:14.000 Just wait.

00:23:15.000 We haven't even touched the anger stage, as it were.

00:23:17.000 And that is what's going to start the initial transition into something new.

00:23:22.000 And the point of the movement really is not to try and initiate some step-by-step logical transition to assume human beings are rational and they're just going to say, oh, that sounds better, that sounds more efficient.

00:23:31.000 No, that's not the way the human being works at all, at least at this stage.

00:23:35.000 So the failure will happen.

00:23:36.000 The zeitgeist movement's on the sidelines, as far as I'm concerned, trying to spread information about what a new social system may be, exposing the roots of this system, and as this tipping point occurs, Those that are on the outs will slowly become on the in, and you'll have a very powerful, large, complicated revolution that will happen one way or another.

00:23:56.000 It's an inevitability to me.

00:23:58.000 So all the rich 1.00%, doesn't matter how many billions of dollars they have, the police are not going to protect them.

00:24:05.000 There's going to be a very unique, unpredictable shift in the human social structure. 0.99

00:24:09.000 It's a fucking movie, isn't it? 0.99

00:24:10.000 It is. 1.00

00:24:11.000 Isn't it a movie?

00:24:12.000 I mean, really, a great time in the movie.

00:24:14.000 A time when things get really exciting.

00:24:16.000 I've said about the Occupy movement that, to me, they're like white blood cells.

00:24:20.000 They don't know exactly why they're there, but they know that there's an issue.

00:24:24.000 There's a sickness here.

00:24:27.000 Social disorder.

00:24:28.000 It's a social immune system response.

00:24:29.000 It really is.

00:24:30.000 They just clogged up all the areas where there's corruption.

00:24:33.000 It's fascinating.

00:24:34.000 It was a beautiful action.

00:24:35.000 Too bad the majority of the Occupy movement hasn't been able to really put a train of thought forward that others can grasp.

00:24:41.000 They have all this media, all this press.

00:24:43.000 I don't know if you've seen anything that I've tried to do with them.

00:24:45.000 I've done some talks in LA and New York.

00:24:48.000 Just really trying to get some seeds planted as far as what a new social structure may be.

00:24:51.000 Because you can complain all day.

00:24:52.000 Right.

00:24:53.000 But until you put down some fundamental logical elements that people can grab, expand, and get into the public consciousness, into the zeitgeist, we're doomed until that happens.

00:25:02.000 It's just going to be one iteration of rogue, you know.

00:25:06.000 The idea would be amazing to have an entire culture filled with cool people and everybody works together.

00:25:12.000 Like, boy, you feel like, could that work?

00:25:15.000 Is that possible?

00:25:17.000 And if it was possible, would anybody ever get anything done?

00:25:20.000 Would there be any more competition?

00:25:22.000 Would there be any more creativity?

00:25:24.000 Would everybody just be sitting around banging each other and giving each other hugs?

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 The fun thing about modern sociological research is that a great number of studies have been done on those issues.

00:25:36.000 Yeah.

00:25:37.000 Incentive has been a large farce of the market system to assume.

00:25:40.000 If we're doing mechanical stuff, yeah, if I'm going to be on a conveyor line, which could easily be automated now, and be on a subway line, it always blows my mind when I walk into a subway restaurant and there's this conveyor belt of people that you could automate in five seconds if you wanted to.

00:25:53.000 Wasting their lives.

00:25:54.000 Yeah, you have to pay people for that.

00:25:56.000 But when it comes to creativity, very few are actually motivated by money, and money actually inhibits.

00:26:00.000 There's large studies that are done by a man named Daniel Pink called Drive.

00:26:03.000 I recommend that book to anyone that's interested.

00:26:04.000 I would think that, yeah, if you were just concentrating on money, you would lose part of your mental resources that you could have concentrated on creativity.

00:26:12.000 It's a deep inhibition.

00:26:13.000 Everything I've ever done creatively, I've never...

00:26:16.000 Money's a pollutant to me, you know, for anything that I've done.

00:26:19.000 A pollutant?

00:26:20.000 Yeah, it hinders my creative response.

00:26:22.000 Really?

00:26:23.000 I agree 100%. 0.97

00:26:24.000 I fucking love money. 0.99

00:26:26.000 I love buying cool shit. 0.99

00:26:28.000 I like going to movies. 0.98

00:26:29.000 I like going to dinner and not have to worry how much it costs.

00:26:32.000 You hate money, period?

00:26:34.000 I hate money, period. 1.00

00:26:35.000 I hate...

00:26:35.000 If I had not to do...

00:26:37.000 Limitless resources.

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 If I just didn't have...

00:26:40.000 Oh, you hate dealing with it.

00:26:41.000 I hate dealing with bills.

00:26:42.000 You don't hate bills.

00:26:44.000 I hate having money.

00:26:45.000 I hate getting money. 0.99

00:26:45.000 Get the fuck out of it. 0.99

00:26:46.000 You don't hate having money. 0.99

00:26:47.000 I hate having to deal with that part.

00:26:48.000 I just like waking up doing what I want to do.

00:26:50.000 Creativity.

00:26:51.000 Not having to worry about that at all would be amazing.

00:26:54.000 Can you just go somewhere and give them your pictures and they give you some meat?

00:26:58.000 Well, I mean, again, of course you have to get paid to live, but if I could take that whole part out, that would be amazing.

00:27:05.000 Exactly.

00:27:06.000 Yeah, it's a system that we're...

00:27:08.000 It's absolutely not the best we can do.

00:27:11.000 There's no way this is the best we can do.

00:27:13.000 Especially the stock market, man. 0.98

00:27:15.000 I don't give a fuck if you understand it or not. 0.99

00:27:16.000 I watch it sometimes. 0.99

00:27:17.000 I watch those numbers scroll through the bottom of the screen and there's some fucking dude with his classical attire, his traditional attire that he's wearing with his tie and he's moving around and pointing to all these different stocks that are going up and down. 0.98

00:27:30.000 And you know it's all based on confidence. 0.97

00:27:32.000 You go, what?!

00:27:34.000 What kind of a shitbag system have you put together? 0.99

00:27:37.000 What kind of a goofy fucking number game where it's all going up and down and shorts and derivatives? 1.00

00:27:44.000 You tell me what the fuck the derivative market is again? 0.99

00:27:46.000 Why is it 100 times bigger than the real market? 0.93

00:27:48.000 What?

00:27:49.000 Well, as much as I hate to admit it, I was a private equity trader for about six years after I left.

00:27:53.000 Who is that like?

00:27:54.000 Well, it was a personal choice to get out of the establishment.

00:27:56.000 The only occupation in existence where you don't have a boss or a client or reliant on an audience is in equity trading.

00:28:03.000 So is it like being an educated guesser?

00:28:06.000 Is that what it's like essentially?

00:28:07.000 No, there's a huge strategy that's called technical analysis that people use.

00:28:11.000 Now it's automated behind the scenes by groups like Goldman Sachs that are raping everybody slowly but surely.

00:28:18.000 But no, there's a firm...

00:28:19.000 I have a lot of respect for the traders independently because of their mindset.

00:28:23.000 It's a great discipline.

00:28:23.000 It's like a sport.

00:28:24.000 You really have to know what you're doing.

00:28:25.000 You can't just wing it.

00:28:26.000 It's not gambling in any kind of sense like that.

00:28:28.000 But as an institution, the stock market and the whole concept of these representations of equity and finance and how much influence it has in society, and of course the derivatives blow out and everything else that we've seen, it's the most cancerous thing on the face of the earth.

00:28:44.000 The stock market is just unbelievable.

00:28:45.000 That's why it even exists at all.

00:28:47.000 I have no clue.

00:28:48.000 It's the ultimate manifestation of the worst concept of having no social contribution and invariably making more money than any other sector of the population.

00:28:57.000 Even though you create nothing, you do nothing.

00:28:59.000 It's just like Wall Street and Michael Douglas.

00:29:01.000 He's like, I create nothing.

00:29:03.000 I own.

00:29:04.000 Yeah, it's amazing that it's been able to get to the point where it is now.

00:29:08.000 What an out-of-control ride.

00:29:10.000 I knew guys that made like $40 million a year doing nothing.

00:29:15.000 Nothing.

00:29:15.000 And you say to yourself, well, here's the market system, this is the capitalist concept, right?

00:29:18.000 Oh, everyone, if you do the most contribution, you're supposed to get the most reward.

00:29:22.000 That's the underlying tone.

00:29:23.000 So if you work really hard and you really want to make that invention and you can contribute to society, no. 1.00

00:29:29.000 It's you better go, you only offer yourself, fuck everybody else. 0.99

00:29:33.000 That's what's rewarded in this system across the board. 1.00

00:29:36.000 And the market system is just the highest level of that psychological manifestation.

00:29:41.000 Did it grow too fast for our little monkey minds?

00:29:45.000 Is that what it is?

00:29:46.000 Did technology and the concept of being able to control money and all the different things that we have to deal with as variables didn't exist when our minds were created?

00:29:55.000 Our DNA is essentially the same as it was 10,000 years ago.

00:29:58.000 Our DNA is essentially set up for the natural world.

00:30:02.000 And then all of a sudden we've shoved it into this weird new dimension where we're dealing with an incredible amount of variables.

00:30:08.000 You're dealing with all kinds of craziness. 0.96

00:30:10.000 I mean, it's just, I don't know if the mind is set up to deal with the world that we've created, which is why it's like a kid at the helm of a car that doesn't know how to drive and he's stomping on the fucking gas, but he's too small to look over the dashboard. 0.99

00:30:25.000 So he doesn't even know where the fuck he's going. 0.98

00:30:27.000 He's trying to figure this thing out as he goes along. 0.99

00:30:30.000 It's like all of a sudden this little kid has a car.

00:30:32.000 You know?

00:30:32.000 And that's what it's like with us.

00:30:34.000 We're like these dumb fucking monkeys and we're still evolving out of that dumb monkey primal soup and popping out. 1.00

00:30:42.000 We're this monkey that's aware of itself and then in the process of becoming aware of itself, barely getting our shit together. 1.00

00:30:48.000 We've created everything. 0.99

00:30:50.000 We've created nuclear fucking bombs and cell phones and video that you can get on a little screen in your pocket and the ability to do things that we would have never thought possible just 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 years ago. 0.95

00:31:04.000 It's almost like... 0.98

00:31:06.000 No one could have managed this.

00:31:09.000 It's almost like it blew up faster than our reasoning.

00:31:13.000 Evolution is always natural, one way or another.

00:31:15.000 Whether we destroy ourselves, well, then I guess the human species was an evolutionary cul-de-sac.

00:31:19.000 One way or another, everything is always right.

00:31:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:21.000 There's no wrongs here.

00:31:22.000 But the disorder that's in place in society is what concerns me, which is what you alluded to at the beginning.

00:31:29.000 You have this huge disorder based on the system that's Basically a self-destructive system.

00:31:34.000 It's not respecting any general variables of resource management.

00:31:36.000 It's not respecting, you know, I saw a recent stat that said, oh, China has less unemployment than America because their lax EPA, if you were, whatever they have in China, their lax environmental issues.

00:31:47.000 Like, we should be more like China and reduce our environmental things. 0.85

00:31:50.000 And they have, like, huge smog things.

00:31:51.000 I mean, it's just disgusting.

00:31:52.000 We're destroying ourselves.

00:31:54.000 One town where they say it's like smoking two packs of cigarettes a day just living there.

00:31:58.000 The skies are like dark gray.

00:32:01.000 So it's a disorder that we don't even see it and we just keep killing ourselves whether it's the poison of our food.

00:32:07.000 Why is that? 0.94

00:32:08.000 Because we still recognize ourselves as individuals and we still haven't realized that we are a part of a giant superorganism that is the human race, so because people are acting as individuals and then they can do so as a corporation and do so without guilt, they act as individuals all going towards one goal but under the guise that the company is doing it in the best interest of business and then they're able to get away with a lot of shit that you just can't get away with in a one-on-one basis. 0.74

00:32:35.000 You know, instead of thinking of human beings as a whole and putting that at the front of your ethic, that's like not even into consideration.

00:32:42.000 It's like, what can we get away with?

00:32:44.000 What's legal?

00:32:45.000 You know, and it's not our fault if it's legal.

00:32:47.000 I go back to my early life.

00:32:49.000 I had a normal upbringing, but I I did all sorts of shit out of college that was highly illegal, reselling things. 0.84

00:32:56.000 It was whatever you could do to make money. 0.95

00:32:58.000 It didn't matter.

00:32:58.000 And everyone did, too.

00:32:59.000 It was whatever you needed to do to get money.

00:33:02.000 And what's happened now with the value system disorder is that since that's the pursuit, that's the divine drive of the system.

00:33:07.000 That's what status is defined by.

00:33:09.000 That's what your success is defined by.

00:33:11.000 That everyone can blindly look the other way with how much destruction is occurring in the world.

00:33:15.000 They can look the other way with the wars and the cancers and just every natural phenomenon that we've come to disintegrate, all the trash that's surrounding the planet right now.

00:33:24.000 I've likened the war to the way people react if you know that someone in their family has been molesting someone.

00:33:33.000 It's almost like they don't want to know, they're looking away, they don't want to think about it, they don't want to do it that way. 0.98

00:33:40.000 If it was right next door, we'd be thinking about it every fucking day.

00:33:43.000 The fact that people can just calmly accept the fact that there's no, for no reason whatsoever that you could ever argue, we have thousands of dudes with guns in some other part of the world. 0.97

00:33:53.000 Yeah, and it seems normal, doesn't it?

00:33:55.000 It seems normal, because it's a part of life.

00:33:57.000 If people are born into this normality, they don't know any better.

00:34:00.000 Exactly.

00:34:01.000 It is what it is, because we feel like the system must be smarter than us.

00:34:05.000 I mean, it's big, it's huge, it's gigantic. 0.99

00:34:07.000 But it's a group of goddamn individuals with their own personal interests at hand, and their personal interests will extend to killing people and profiting off of it. 0.99

00:34:16.000 If they can get away with it. 0.99

00:34:17.000 My favorite example of that concept was, remember the movie Network?

00:34:20.000 Yes.

00:34:20.000 Which I had a little skit of.

00:34:21.000 I'm mad as hell or I'm not going to take it anymore. 0.92

00:34:24.000 Remember when they got frustrated at the very end because they were losing money with the character and they sit around and they go, well, we could kill him.

00:34:30.000 And you think as the audience member that they're just joking.

00:34:33.000 You think someone in the room is going to go, yeah, whatever.

00:34:35.000 But then they're like, well, if we do it, we have to be very careful.

00:34:38.000 And the film ends right there.

00:34:40.000 So you think about that logic.

00:34:41.000 A human life becomes quite secondary to most motivations, especially the higher you go up in the sort of corporate neuroses.

00:34:47.000 Well, you know, it's why I've argued before with people about, you know, this September 11th especially.

00:34:54.000 I mean, I've heard more conversations about, you know, what people think happened September 11th, and I believe this, and I believe that.

00:35:02.000 And from the very moment I've said, you don't believe that they'd be willing.

00:35:07.000 I'm not saying that people did orchestrate any sort of attacks on America.

00:35:10.000 I'm not saying anything.

00:35:12.000 But what I am saying is that we know that they went to war, And they said that there was weapons of mass destruction when there weren't.

00:35:20.000 So they're willing to kill some people that they don't know.

00:35:22.000 They know. 1.00

00:35:23.000 They know. 0.96

00:35:23.000 At the very least, they're willing to kill some people that they don't know in order to push their own agenda. 0.96

00:35:28.000 We know that.

00:35:29.000 Just like when they opened Wall Street with all the toxic air and the thousands that have gotten sick since then.

00:35:35.000 And my take on it is they don't know you either.

00:35:37.000 So you don't think they would kill you.

00:35:39.000 Anybody that would orchestrate death for profit, you don't think they would kill you?

00:35:45.000 You really think that they would because you're a U.S. citizen?

00:35:48.000 Which is the nature of the Pentagon and the entire military industrial establishment.

00:35:51.000 I mean, this is a killing machine, so you think they wouldn't use That in domestic purposes.

00:35:55.000 And not to mention there's so many examples of that through history that people blindly look away from.

00:35:59.000 It's just so sad.

00:36:00.000 That's why it's offensive when someone says that you're unpatriotic when you see that.

00:36:04.000 When you see that and you point that out, no, you go, no, that is patriotic.

00:36:07.000 That is very patriotic because that's not what we're supposed to be about.

00:36:11.000 That's not what this country was supposed to be founded for.

00:36:13.000 This country was supposed to be the best alternative. 0.99

00:36:16.000 This country was supposed to be the people that got it together and said, listen, we have fucking rules, man. 0.99

00:36:20.000 Here's the rule. 0.99

00:36:21.000 We separate this from that.

00:36:22.000 We do this.

00:36:22.000 We do that.

00:36:23.000 We don't let anybody do this.

00:36:24.000 Don't give up your liberties.

00:36:25.000 You have to have essential liberties.

00:36:27.000 You have to have guns.

00:36:28.000 You've got to protect yourself from enemies, foreign and domestic.

00:36:31.000 It was all set up.

00:36:32.000 It was all set up.

00:36:33.000 Sure.

00:36:34.000 They knew.

00:36:34.000 We could argue little nuances of the founding fathers.

00:36:37.000 I'm sure we could.

00:36:37.000 But I understand your point.

00:36:39.000 I'll tell you one thing. 1.00

00:36:39.000 Did you hear this fucking dummy Newt Gingrich, this would-be king, fat-headed clown? 1.00

00:36:44.000 This guy actually said that he believed that the founding fathers would be much more aggressive in the way they would prosecute people for marijuana. 1.00

00:36:52.000 And that they would do it probably much more violently.

00:36:55.000 Even though they were growing it themselves? 0.99

00:36:56.000 Not only were they growing it themselves, it says in George Washington's fucking diaries that he was separating the male from the female plant. 0.98

00:37:05.000 It's very clear that he says he was separating the male from the female plant. 0.97

00:37:09.000 For people who don't know, when you're growing marijuana, you've got to separate the male from the female plant so that the female grows the buds and that they become psychedelic.

00:37:17.000 That's how you make it so you get high from it.

00:37:19.000 Right.

00:37:19.000 So George Washington is essentially saying he likes to get high.

00:37:23.000 And he said, oops, a little too late. 1.00

00:37:25.000 So he's a fucking stoner. 0.99

00:37:26.000 He separated them too late. 1.00

00:37:28.000 I mean, what did you have to do back then?

00:37:30.000 I mean, how many different things did he have going on? 1.00

00:37:32.000 George Washington was a fucking stoner, dude. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Almost 100%. 1.00

00:37:36.000 God bless.

00:37:37.000 For sure they grew it.

00:37:38.000 And by the way, they grew hemp because they used it for a lot of things outside of the psychoactive effects.

00:37:45.000 They used it for all sorts of different things.

00:37:47.000 And there's all these different passages, people smoking on their hemp pipe.

00:37:51.000 It's written in so many different people's diaries.

00:37:54.000 When George Washington said that, he did mean his slaves were separating it for him, right?

00:37:58.000 Probably.

00:37:59.000 Did he have slaves?

00:38:00.000 Did George have slaves?

00:38:01.000 He must have had slaves, right?

00:38:02.000 Of course, of course.

00:38:02.000 Yeah, they all did.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, they all did, right?

00:38:04.000 It was so hot right then.

00:38:05.000 It's a different time, Brian.

00:38:07.000 It's a different time.

00:38:08.000 He was a good man. 1.00

00:38:09.000 But the point is, man, these fucking people that are in the positions of wanting to be at the helm of this monster. 0.99

00:38:16.000 It's like, what a shitbag group of people we have to choose from. 0.99

00:38:20.000 And again, what do you expect? 0.72

00:38:22.000 What do you expect?

00:38:23.000 I always go back to one of my great heroes, George Carlin. 0.99

00:38:25.000 He's like, garbage in, garbage out. 0.97

00:38:27.000 What do you expect from this system? 0.99

00:38:29.000 Now, you can argue where these people came from, which is where the scam comes in of the entire election cycle.

00:38:35.000 I mean, where did these people come from?

00:38:37.000 Seriously, you look at these like, I don't remember that guy.

00:38:39.000 What's the guy who won Iowa?

00:38:41.000 They found out that he won. 0.99

00:38:42.000 He beat Mitt Romney, the crazy religious dude. 0.99

00:38:44.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

00:38:45.000 Santorum, is that his name?

00:38:46.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

00:38:47.000 Oh, he's a loon.

00:38:48.000 He's a good one. 0.94

00:38:52.000 He's full-helm Jesus. 0.67

00:38:55.000 He's Jesus like Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic.

00:38:58.000 He's at the front of the Jesus ship with his arms up in the air.

00:39:01.000 This guy's no abortion, no nothing.

00:39:05.000 He's super Jesus.

00:39:06.000 He's pushing it hard.

00:39:07.000 What an amazing group of humans we have trying to be at the helm. 0.98

00:39:10.000 Michelle Bachman and her gay husband. 1.00

00:39:13.000 It's a goddamn Coen Brothers movie. 1.00

00:39:15.000 We're living in a Coen Brothers movie. 0.99

00:39:17.000 And a real good one.

00:39:18.000 A satirical one at that.

00:39:20.000 It's a big football game.

00:39:21.000 It's sad to me to see how you can't watch the news without them covering this as though it's relevant or important to anything.

00:39:27.000 As though any decision processes that these people will have the power to take hold of will actually accomplish anything when it's obvious from our last great hope, Obama, that big business isn't going anywhere.

00:39:42.000 Even Ron Paul, if he was magically to be swept in with bulletproof vests on and everything else, you'll see some dramatic shifts in his policy the moment he comes in because he knows what's actually possible in that environment before the shitstorm hits him from all sides.

00:40:00.000 All the examples of what they did to Ralph Nader with the prostitution thing.

00:40:04.000 I don't know if you remember that.

00:40:05.000 The car company.

00:40:06.000 I don't remember what happened.

00:40:07.000 It was basically a car company set up Ralph Nader in a hotel room with a prostitute and then documented it because he was doing all this publicity against this car company how unsafe they're cutting costs on their car production.

00:40:19.000 He found out very discreetly how bad it was. 0.58

00:40:22.000 People were dying and they tried to set him up and to make him look bad with this prostitute. 0.99

00:40:27.000 Wow. 0.99

00:40:27.000 It was incredible. 0.99

00:40:27.000 That's just the tip of the iceberg of all sorts of games that are played. 0.99

00:40:30.000 You can go straight down the whole political spectrum and look at all the things that seem random.

00:40:34.000 Lewinsky and all these things.

00:40:36.000 There's a subtle orchestration happening to that, not to be conspiratorially oriented, but that's just the way it is.

00:40:42.000 You don't mess around.

00:40:43.000 It's a mafia system. 0.58

00:40:44.000 I want to know where to get casting for that, because I would love to be a part of the next one.

00:40:48.000 Like, I'm found in Obama's locker room, and I can't walk.

00:40:54.000 Do you think they hire...

00:40:56.000 Well, they must hire guys.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, they probably...

00:40:57.000 Craigslist. 0.99

00:40:58.000 I mean, at this point in time, they can easily pay someone to just fuck up your life. 0.99

00:41:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:02.000 You know, pay someone. 0.99

00:41:03.000 Like, this is your job.

00:41:04.000 $250,000.

00:41:05.000 Your job is to seduce that guy and go and get into his life somehow or another.

00:41:09.000 They're called PR agencies.

00:41:11.000 Is that what they do?

00:41:12.000 Well, PR agencies can go both sides. 1.00

00:41:13.000 They can be positive towards you or they can be hired to completely blacklist you and make you look like shit. 0.91

00:41:17.000 I know that from my own experience of the weird things that have happened to me, which I wonder where the roots of some of these things are. 0.98

00:41:24.000 People that blog in anti-psychist, anti-Peter Joseph manners every single day and follow everything I do.

00:41:31.000 How do they possibly have time to do that?

00:41:34.000 So you think they're being paid to do it, maybe?

00:41:36.000 Well, I just know of some companies that were listed to me that do the exact same thing to other people.

00:41:41.000 And you don't see them on the forefront.

00:41:43.000 They're these PR firms that you can use to...

00:41:45.000 You've probably seen the ones that you can go and use to get bad things removed from your name on the internet.

00:41:51.000 I've heard that on the radio.

00:41:52.000 Like, if you're a doctor or something like that.

00:41:54.000 Right.

00:41:54.000 Well, there's ones that work the other direction, more of a black op kind of way.

00:41:59.000 They go after you.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, and they're paid to do so.

00:42:00.000 Wow, that's brilliant.

00:42:01.000 It's happening to porn stars right now.

00:42:03.000 Really?

00:42:03.000 Yeah.

00:42:03.000 Why don't dudes go after porn stars?

00:42:05.000 I don't know.

00:42:05.000 This one person broke into where they get tested once a month.

00:42:10.000 I think I might have talked about this before.

00:42:12.000 And broke in and stole all the records from all the porn stars.

00:42:14.000 Oh, snap. 0.99

00:42:14.000 And then put them online. 0.99

00:42:16.000 And then that shit got taken down eventually. 1.00

00:42:19.000 And I found out it was just this male porn star that did it. 0.99

00:42:22.000 And then now there's groups of people that use all those things that were put online and attack every single porn star online by putting their information everywhere.

00:42:33.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

00:42:34.000 What the fuck is with people? 0.99

00:42:35.000 Why would they want to do that? 0.99

00:42:36.000 I don't know.

00:42:38.000 A few different motivations there.

00:42:39.000 It's weird.

00:42:41.000 Money and ego.

00:42:42.000 It's a weird thing, man.

00:42:44.000 It's a weird thing that people want to hurt other people that badly.

00:42:47.000 It's the self-appointed guardians of the status quo that could be labeled.

00:42:50.000 That was a line I picked up from a man named Jock Fresco.

00:42:52.000 These people, the only thing they have is their identity preservation.

00:42:57.000 They will fight tooth and nail to make sure whatever they believe is held true, whether it's political, religious.

00:43:02.000 I mean, I can't count how many death threats I got since the first film came out.

00:43:06.000 Well, you're questioning the status quo. 0.99

00:43:08.000 All they're doing is fucking on camera. 0.99

00:43:10.000 Why would somebody want to harm them? 0.99

00:43:12.000 Well, because if, say, some deeply religious individual sees porno or catches his son with it or something like that, they feel a huge threat there for whatever purpose.

00:43:20.000 You'd be surprised what motivations people have.

00:43:22.000 Again, that's the root cause. 1.00

00:43:24.000 The root issue is how fucking dumb people are and what a giant percentage of them are just so off the tracks and in the woods. 1.00

00:43:30.000 Disinformed, badly conditioned. 1.00

00:43:32.000 How do you turn those folks around?

00:43:34.000 Because I think you can't really have this next level society until you get those folks on track.

00:43:40.000 Look, that's one of the things about living in a nice neighborhood.

00:43:43.000 If you live in a nice neighborhood, there's generally a lot less financial strife, so people are a little bit more calm.

00:43:49.000 It's one of the things that people don't like about living in neighborhoods where people are poor. 0.99

00:43:53.000 There's a lot of tension, and sometimes shit goes down. 0.96

00:43:57.000 You've got to get everybody to the level of no tension, you know, in order to have a beautiful society. 0.98

00:44:04.000 How the hell do you do that?

00:44:06.000 As you pointed out earlier, you start with the kids.

00:44:09.000 There's a deeply religious...

00:44:12.000 Anti-structure thing going on in the world where everyone thinks they can just keep having kids and it doesn't matter what the resources of the planet, you know, it doesn't matter, no, don't you dare tell them how to raise their kids, forget any kind of instruction.

00:44:24.000 You know, kids, people have natural pre-programming.

00:44:27.000 It's pretty obvious what, did you watch Psychoist Moving Forward, a whole section of that at the very beginning of Psychoist Moving Forward on the development of kids.

00:44:34.000 Now, little small nuances can mess them up for the rest of their lives, whether it goes to drug addiction, whether it goes to mental disorders or even physical disorders.

00:44:41.000 And no attention is being put on that.

00:44:43.000 If there's anything that I would like to see put in the public educational fountain, it would be how to really think about your kids, how important it is, how the earliest things that happen to them will fuck them up the rest of their lives if they're not carefully It's carefully collared or carefully orchestrated, allowing vulnerability.

00:45:00.000 We're not talking about like, you know, holding kids down and making them do things in a structured way.

00:45:03.000 It's allowing the vulnerability of this natural organism to come to fruition.

00:45:07.000 A horse, for example, falls right out of the horse, it's born, falls right out, it can walk, boom.

00:45:12.000 Humans, because of evolution, they come out way too early, so the susceptibility of the infant is so massive and so misunderstood up until now that people have done things to their kids that have really fucked them up for their whole lives at the infancy stage because of how much developmental requirements are actually there.

00:45:28.000 The protections are gone.

00:45:30.000 So, it's a huge topic, and there's a lot of people I can list that can describe those issues in text.

00:45:36.000 A guy named Gabor Mate is a really good one.

00:45:38.000 So what is the best case scenario?

00:45:39.000 Is the best case scenario that the Zeitgeist movement takes place after some sort of a collapse and we develop a new society that's based on the using of natural resources universally and across the board and there's no hierarchy of citizenship and then the people are on the outside, what do we do?

00:45:57.000 We fight them off?

00:45:59.000 Well, you would want to hope that whatever the cataclysm manifests itself to be that's pending, that those on the sidelines, the barbarians at the gate as they might have been, would eventually turn around to see the folly of their ways as well. 0.95

00:46:15.000 You know, it's hard to predict.

00:46:16.000 The Zeitgeist Movement is really a movement of logic and reason.

00:46:19.000 It's like, okay, here we have technological automation.

00:46:21.000 You know what?

00:46:22.000 People are being replaced by automation.

00:46:23.000 In fact, the great driver of unemployment now is automation.

00:46:26.000 They won't admit it.

00:46:27.000 Most economists will not.

00:46:28.000 A few are coming out now and admitting it.

00:46:30.000 You can go back to the Roosevelt administration.

00:46:31.000 They actually wanted to have a stop on technological invention during the Industrial Revolution because of how fast people were being replaced by machines.

00:46:40.000 And that is the four core driver of all unemployment you see in the world today.

00:46:44.000 Period.

00:46:45.000 So what does that mean?

00:46:46.000 What does the logic say?

00:46:47.000 Well, we can produce more with less. 0.98

00:46:48.000 We don't need people to slave over some shitty factory job anymore. 0.99

00:46:51.000 We automate it. 0.97

00:46:53.000 No vacations.

00:46:54.000 Much higher degree of accuracy.

00:46:55.000 Machines can do things.

00:46:57.000 All sorts of modular machines now that can do things like scientific research.

00:47:01.000 Extremely specific things.

00:47:03.000 Thinking machines, people like Ray Kurzweil, and all this massive evolution I could ramble on for a long time.

00:47:08.000 What does that mean for human labor?

00:47:09.000 Do we keep human labor as a requirement to live? 0.81

00:47:12.000 Your right to life is to get income?

00:47:13.000 Or do you create a new system that says, okay, let's go full forward with machine automation, all sectors possible, and fill in the gaps with whomever is willing to do so.

00:47:22.000 And I think the abundance produced would enable a society to exist without people needing money every minute of the day.

00:47:29.000 What happens to all those people that were working on those assembly jobs? 0.93

00:47:32.000 At this stage, they wouldn't know what the fuck to do. 0.94

00:47:35.000 Right. 0.95

00:47:35.000 But if you evolve it out, if you really think about this over long periods of time, you get the education. 0.95

00:47:39.000 It's going to be a problem we're going to have to face eventually.

00:47:41.000 Face it now rather than later.

00:47:43.000 Until you see someone in power say, okay, we're going to start to automate and basically do a form of socialization, if you will, giving people free food, free energy in order to supplement them for their lack of purchasing power, which is what's happening.

00:47:56.000 Until someone starts to do that in government or having the workday, like if Obama was smarting a bunch of Roosevelt administration, they would have put in a mandate or whatever you want to call it where the corporations receive some type of subsidy where they would have the workday and they would hire twice the amount of people for that corporation.

00:48:13.000 Giving them the sustenance income that would be applicable.

00:48:17.000 It would be probably a little bit reduced, but what else do you do?

00:48:19.000 They're not going to do that because the core motivation is so against it.

00:48:22.000 The corporation's responsibility is to the shareholders.

00:48:24.000 Shareholders don't want to see anything like that.

00:48:26.000 What happens when someone lays off a bunch of employees in the stock market?

00:48:29.000 The stock goes up.

00:48:30.000 Remember?

00:48:30.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.000 It's just sick.

00:48:31.000 The whole thing's backwards.

00:48:32.000 So, back to my point, until automation, no one's going to stop automation because it's a profit-driven thing.

00:48:38.000 It costs less money to automate than it does to use people.

00:48:41.000 And that's what you call the contradiction of capitalism in the words of Karl Marx, believe it or not.

00:48:45.000 He recognized this long ago.

00:48:47.000 And all you have is this thing clashing together that is unreconcilable until a new social system is put in place.

00:48:55.000 What do you think is going to happen with the current system?

00:48:57.000 How much time do you think we have before it's just chaos in the streets?

00:49:00.000 I don't know.

00:49:00.000 I mean, it's already chaos in most of the world in pockets.

00:49:03.000 I think 2012 is going to be, prophecy aside, I think 2012 is going to be a very interesting year.

00:49:08.000 It's amazing that things have accelerated this far, this close to 2012. When you look at it from the prophecy standpoint, everybody thinks...

00:49:16.000 Look, it's like The Boy Who Cried Wolf. 0.91

00:49:18.000 It's like at a certain point in time, like Y2K and this and that and the fucking Pleiades and where's Nibiru and... 0.99

00:49:24.000 At a certain point in time, you're like, alright, you're fucking apocalypse talk. 0.99

00:49:27.000 Stop it. 0.97

00:49:27.000 But then, as you get closer and closer to 2012, you're like, man, you know, maybe the Mayans were onto something. 0.97

00:49:34.000 Well, I doubt that, but what does scare me is the self-fulfilling shit and the people that are going to be jumping out of windows and shooting things up and all the ones that have convinced themselves of some deluded idea. 0.94

00:49:45.000 That's going to be very interesting. 0.98

00:49:47.000 Well, the other thing is, no one's saying it's going to be the end of the world.

00:49:51.000 It's just the end of this calendar.

00:49:52.000 It could be a new era that's awesome.

00:49:55.000 It very easily could.

00:49:57.000 In my personal analysis, the end of the mind calendar is the end of the age of Pisces.

00:50:01.000 That's it?

00:50:02.000 The great year starts again with the age of Aquarius.

00:50:05.000 It's too hard to predict.

00:50:05.000 You have a 1,500 to 3,000-year buffer.

00:50:08.000 It's a 26,000-year cycle.

00:50:10.000 It's a procession of the equinoxes.

00:50:12.000 And that's what I think it is.

00:50:14.000 But whatever.

00:50:15.000 I don't pay attention to those things.

00:50:17.000 I don't pay attention to it, but I do pay attention to the fact that so many people pay attention to it.

00:50:23.000 Well, of course.

00:50:24.000 I'm fascinated by astrology.

00:50:25.000 I don't know if I'm believing in it 100%, but I think it's amazing that they can halfway nail down personalities and different traits when they're really good at it.

00:50:36.000 We could argue on that one.

00:50:37.000 I would love to.

00:50:37.000 The power of suggestion is...

00:50:39.000 Quite phenomenal in the world today.

00:50:41.000 You'd be amazed at how...

00:50:42.000 Even as far as like structuring questions.

00:50:44.000 As far as structuring questions.

00:50:44.000 Leading people into...

00:50:45.000 Yeah.

00:50:46.000 I've seen that.

00:50:46.000 I've seen like psychic stuff.

00:50:48.000 People do shit like that. 0.97

00:50:49.000 But I'm not even talking about that. 1.00

00:50:50.000 I'm not talking about like somebody giving you a date.

00:50:52.000 And some of those real astrologists that want to know like what time you were born.

00:50:56.000 And I don't know if it's real.

00:50:57.000 But it's amazing that it's been around so long.

00:50:59.000 I do not know if it's real.

00:51:01.000 But it's amazing that at one point in time someone actually dedicated enough time to writing down some sort of a system.

00:51:07.000 To figure out which different things that are in line when you're born.

00:51:12.000 And that's kind of amazing, really.

00:51:14.000 I think it's beautiful from a cultural standpoint.

00:51:17.000 Trying to find your place in the universe.

00:51:19.000 Think about what people are doing.

00:51:19.000 They're looking at the sky.

00:51:20.000 It looks flat and 2D. They think about associations.

00:51:23.000 They want to feel like they're connected to it.

00:51:25.000 The whole definition of God.

00:51:26.000 And if you go back to my first film, most natural phenomenon, stellar cults originated, merged into the Islam... 0.87

00:51:33.000 Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion by symbolism just became historized, basically.

00:51:39.000 But the beauty of it is that people are trying to relate to something.

00:51:41.000 That's what I see.

00:51:42.000 But they still thought the sky was flat.

00:51:44.000 So the constellations don't even exist.

00:51:46.000 They're not actually there.

00:51:48.000 They just look that way.

00:51:50.000 Who is they thought the sky was flat?

00:51:52.000 Well, if you look at the sky, it looks perfectly flat.

00:51:54.000 And the constellations and the depictions are actually flat.

00:51:57.000 That's how they're...

00:51:58.000 That's why they have the little animal things and things like that.

00:52:00.000 Right, right.

00:52:00.000 And the sun rising, let's say, the summer solstice, you know, where you...

00:52:03.000 I believe that's the birth note, or maybe it's the spring equinox, I can't remember.

00:52:06.000 It's a completely 2D, prima facie, surface, flatland view.

00:52:11.000 And it doesn't hold any actual validity, because they had no idea that it was actually the depth, you know, the depth of these stars and their radiance is so far away.

00:52:19.000 They're burning out, they're changing, there's morphine, there's expansion.

00:52:22.000 So...

00:52:23.000 So they just looked at it as almost like a picture, a flat, two-dimensional picture.

00:52:28.000 Ryan's pants is going to fall down.

00:52:30.000 It's amazing that they did that for so long, though.

00:52:32.000 They really studied constellations, I guess.

00:52:34.000 That's a beautiful art form.

00:52:35.000 That's a beautiful concept.

00:52:39.000 That was outside.

00:52:40.000 Where is that?

00:52:41.000 Outside.

00:52:41.000 Who is that?

00:52:42.000 A mother beating a nice kid. 0.99

00:52:44.000 Her kid.

00:52:45.000 Lovely Pasadena.

00:52:46.000 Speaking of culture.

00:52:47.000 Well, this is the only thing.

00:52:48.000 That's the worst you have to worry about in Pasadena.

00:52:50.000 You know, this is not like...

00:52:52.000 You know, what's funny is...

00:52:54.000 I know this girl that was a stripper a long time ago, and she found out about you from the green room of a strip club. 1.00

00:53:02.000 There was a hair designer that was, he was a gay guy that was in love with your shit, and so he used to tag you throughout San Francisco, and in this green room of a strip club, your tag is all over. 0.99

00:53:13.000 He just tagged the fuck out of this green room. 1.00

00:53:15.000 That's how she found out about it. 0.98

00:53:16.000 Funny.

00:53:16.000 And then she got so moved by your movie that she started posting flyers around San Francisco That was what was so phenomenal on the original.

00:53:28.000 It still persists to this day on its own.

00:53:30.000 I did no publicity for any of these things.

00:53:32.000 It's always been self-driven.

00:53:34.000 Somehow it seemed to tap into some element of people that they appreciated and felt the need to re-communicate to other people, which is inadvertent to me.

00:53:43.000 I certainly didn't anticipate that.

00:53:44.000 Was it blowing your mind?

00:53:46.000 Well, I get these marketing calls occasionally or emails from these marketing jackasses like, how did you do that?

00:53:51.000 What kind of algorithms are you using in your viral media?

00:53:55.000 It's just word of mouth, man.

00:53:57.000 That's hilarious.

00:53:58.000 It's highly envied.

00:53:59.000 The film series is highly envied by a lot of people.

00:54:02.000 There's a lot of films trying to duplicate the idea, too.

00:54:05.000 Duplicate the concept and build kind of a farce community out of it in the same way that was natural to the movement.

00:54:11.000 But anyway, what do you expect?

00:54:13.000 It's amazing.

00:54:13.000 Everyone assumes dollar signs when there's a lot of people around.

00:54:16.000 Yeah, of course.

00:54:17.000 There's always been someone at the helm of something at different points in time, different cultures, different religions, different kingdoms.

00:54:28.000 There's always been someone with a new idea.

00:54:31.000 And I think everybody sort of recognizes that this thing's falling apart, no one's buying it anymore, and a new thing's going to come along, man.

00:54:39.000 And we've got to jump on it. 1.00

00:54:40.000 We're going to jump on it because this really is the future because this dying animal that you see, this fucking elephant and donkey system is stupid. 1.00

00:54:49.000 It's stupid and everybody recognizes it. 1.00

00:54:50.000 It's destroying us. 1.00

00:54:51.000 Just look around.

00:54:52.000 It's destroying the fabric of almost everything that you see around you.

00:54:56.000 Every life support system is in decline. 1.00

00:54:58.000 Our psychology is really fucked up. 0.97

00:55:00.000 Have you taken a look around what the culture is doing today? 0.99

00:55:02.000 I mean, the public health issue is bad enough.

00:55:04.000 I'm just waiting for the tipping point where the lifespan starts to tip because I think it's just a matter of time.

00:55:10.000 I have a friend that has a 10-year-old, and she, as her 10-year-old, is in school, and he's an active kid, and the psychologist, or psychiatrist, I guess it would be for school, is trying to give the kid drugs.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, of course.

00:55:22.000 And he says, well, he's a good kid.

00:55:25.000 He just gets bored in class, and he acts up a little bit, but he doesn't need to be drugged.

00:55:31.000 And she goes, you're so easy, you're so quick to drug them.

00:55:33.000 Like, how many kids in his classes are on drugs?

00:55:37.000 And he says, well, I am not on liberty to give that.

00:55:40.000 It's confidential information.

00:55:41.000 But let me tell you, it's somewhere near half. 0.98

00:55:43.000 So I don't know why the fuck he would say that he's not at liberty. 0.98

00:55:47.000 And then she goes, wait a minute, half? 0.99

00:55:50.000 Half?

00:55:51.000 Do you think half of the kids in school have a mental problem to the point where they need drugs? 0.76

00:55:57.000 Wow!

00:55:58.000 That's amazing!

00:55:59.000 That is amazing that there's someone out there that is a professional that's able to do something like that.

00:56:04.000 Now, this is a woman telling me about her child.

00:56:06.000 I do not know if her numbers were correct.

00:56:08.000 I mean, she might have just... 1.00

00:56:11.000 Maybe she was adding marijuana to the factory. 1.00

00:56:13.000 She's not a dummy, though.

00:56:14.000 She's not a dummy.

00:56:15.000 She was telling me this, and it made a whole lot of sense to me.

00:56:18.000 And I was like, that is amazing that they're so willing to drug people.

00:56:22.000 That's a sign of sickness.

00:56:25.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:56:26.000 School fucking sucks, okay? 1.00

00:56:28.000 There's a reason why your kid's moving around. 1.00

00:56:29.000 He's healthy.

00:56:30.000 He's healthy.

00:56:31.000 His brain works great.

00:56:32.000 Creative.

00:56:32.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 And he's getting all this input that blows.

00:56:35.000 And he knows he can get out of that class and play video games and have laughs with his friends and say hi to girls.

00:56:41.000 And that would be awesome. 0.89

00:56:43.000 But right now, this sucks. 0.99

00:56:44.000 And I can't take the suck any longer. 1.00

00:56:47.000 It's like you're telling me that the only way to learn is to be bored into a fucking coma and just accept this really low frequency of memorizing shit that some other asshole figured out. 1.00

00:56:57.000 And so that's what school is. 1.00

00:57:00.000 Every day just pounding it into you that the only way to get through this is you're going to have to hate it.

00:57:04.000 Meanwhile, everything else you get good at, every game you get good at, you get good at because you love it.

00:57:09.000 You know?

00:57:10.000 You get good at video games because they're fun.

00:57:12.000 When you get to be a badass at a video game, it's because that video game's awesome.

00:57:15.000 Why do you guys get good at basketball?

00:57:17.000 Because it's fun to be good at basketball. 0.99

00:57:19.000 When you hit that three-pointer, it's fucking fun. 0.97

00:57:21.000 Everything else that you get good at is fun. 1.00

00:57:24.000 Except the shit that you have to deal with in school. 1.00

00:57:27.000 Unmotivated people. 1.00

00:57:28.000 They're underpaid.

00:57:29.000 And you want to talk about, like, the symptom of a sick society.

00:57:32.000 The fact that we put so little emphasis on schools.

00:57:35.000 So little emphasis on teaching.

00:57:37.000 It should be an...

00:57:38.000 Honor!

00:57:39.000 It should be an amazing honor.

00:57:40.000 One of the highest paid fields on the planet.

00:57:43.000 Yeah, to guard over people's children, man.

00:57:46.000 You should be the most honorable, respectable people available.

00:57:50.000 Super intelligent and super well paid.

00:57:52.000 We should be paying teachers. 1.00

00:57:54.000 Fuck loads of money, man. 1.00

00:57:55.000 It should be like a prestigious position. 1.00

00:57:59.000 It should be something that you really aspire to instead of something where it's a passion but you're getting fucked by the system where you barely have enough money to eat. 0.67

00:58:07.000 You look at how much a teacher makes in a public school system. 0.99

00:58:10.000 It's fucking deplorable. 0.99

00:58:12.000 It's amazing that it's accepted. 1.00

00:58:14.000 It's like, for whatever reason, we don't step out of boundaries and look at it objectively and go, we've got some core problems.

00:58:21.000 And a big part of it is our children. 1.00

00:58:23.000 And they develop to become shitty fucking human beings. 1.00

00:58:26.000 Against their own intentions. 1.00

00:58:28.000 It's not like they want to suck. 0.99

00:58:30.000 You know? 0.99

00:58:30.000 Kids don't want to suck. 0.99

00:58:31.000 Kids are just balls of potential. 0.99

00:58:34.000 Victims.

00:58:35.000 The victims of a system that really doesn't care.

00:58:37.000 Doesn't understand how to care.

00:58:38.000 Doesn't put any resources towards it.

00:58:40.000 It's like you have so much money to go to war, and you have so little to go to school.

00:58:44.000 That's amazing.

00:58:45.000 It's amazing that you've worked out the numbers that way.

00:58:47.000 And the highest level of imposition you can have is to go to college, get $80,000 worth of debt, and then guess what?

00:58:53.000 You're ripe to be enslaved in some hideous corporate establishment.

00:58:56.000 Well, you're just hoping you can afford a Lexus next year.

00:58:59.000 You know, every day just living a slave.

00:59:02.000 But back to the drug issue, it just preps kids now so they can, when they get to be adults and try to figure out why they're so miserable, why they hate their job, why they have no contribution to society, why they don't have any artistic energy anymore.

00:59:14.000 Well, that's perfect because then you can give them the Prozac and give them all the other drugs that will nullify them to make them adhere to this process.

00:59:22.000 They're just numb up.

00:59:24.000 Poor little guys.

00:59:25.000 So if you analyze all that and you statistically view public health from a psychological and mental health standpoint, you look at depression rates, you look at everything, then you look at the environmental problems, you just go straight down the spectrum of public health to physical health to environmental health, you have one massive drop-off. 0.86

00:59:43.000 It's ridiculous.

00:59:44.000 And that's the data I deal with far too often.

00:59:47.000 And that's why I think the system can't hold up for that much longer.

00:59:50.000 I mean, the cancer rates are out of control, for one, as a general rule.

00:59:53.000 There's more cancer occurring now than ever before.

00:59:56.000 There's too many of us, clearly, right?

00:59:59.000 No, it's not too many of us.

01:00:00.000 Nope, I don't agree with that at all.

01:00:02.000 Intuitively speaking, you would want to say that.

01:00:04.000 I think the world can hold many, many more times the number of people if it was properly structured.

01:00:09.000 But we have to also deal with something different as far as, like, fuel, right?

01:00:13.000 We can't be a...

01:00:16.000 Carbon-based.

01:00:17.000 We can't be fossil fuel-based.

01:00:19.000 Another great paradigm shift is we've been living off of fossil deposits, which is one of the most ignorant things possible since we're surrounded by the movement of energy from the sun and everything else.

01:00:30.000 There's no crisis in energy.

01:00:32.000 There's no energy problem.

01:00:33.000 There's only the crisis of ignorance, as I stated before, and that's really the big thing.

01:00:36.000 We have plenty So you think, ideally, especially in Southern California, we should have like solar domes, right?

01:00:45.000 There should be like things...

01:00:46.000 There should be solar...

01:00:47.000 Well, if you really want to get into it, you should have...

01:00:49.000 Grids covering the sky, all solar.

01:00:51.000 Well, you just go local.

01:00:52.000 You take this block, which has plenty of sun exposure, and you apply photovoltaic paints and high-quality advancements.

01:00:59.000 And there's just very little money going into that research, by the way.

01:01:03.000 It's hard to get any kind of funding for those things.

01:01:05.000 So if you imagine how fast we could advance with these renewable mediums localized, if we actually put the energy into them, you can do the extrapolation on how far we'd become.

01:01:15.000 Because technology just continues to move beyond our expectations.

01:01:18.000 Don't you need batteries, though, for solar?

01:01:21.000 Between supercapacitors and hydrogen, which is the new idea, you could easily overcome the intermittency of solar, easily through battery technology.

01:01:29.000 The problem with battery technology, again, in the market system you want constant turnover, you want scarcity.

01:01:33.000 You want people to go back and buy more batteries, because that's what this entire system is.

01:01:38.000 Is it also the problem with minerals, to create the batteries, like lithium ion?

01:01:42.000 Not if you go for hydrogen, but no.

01:01:45.000 I think...

01:01:45.000 What, hydrogen batteries or hydrogen storage you're talking about?

01:01:48.000 Storage.

01:01:48.000 So this would not be a solar issue then because you can't really...

01:01:51.000 You bring the solar into it.

01:01:52.000 You bring solar power and then you convert that into hydrogen somehow?

01:01:56.000 It's stored in the water.

01:01:58.000 Stored in the hydrogen.

01:02:00.000 That's a new technology that's been...

01:02:02.000 Wow, so no need for batteries?

01:02:04.000 No need for lithium ion?

01:02:06.000 No need for the minerals that they get in the condo? 0.78

01:02:08.000 You might have to have some lithium ion in intermittent sense, depending on how the battery is constructed, but supercapacitors, which is another concept which isn't utilized, like your computerized capacitors that store energy, it's a very different technology than the standard battery, which is kind of like you fill it in There's many different forms, and there's a great deal of advancement there, and there's really nothing I can find that would inhibit storage for intermittency from solar if you really put your mind to it.

01:02:35.000 To say that would take some more deep analysis, but I can't imagine we'd run out of minerals just for that.

01:02:41.000 Well, it's always been ironic to me that the chain from minerals coming out of the ground to super advanced technology is such a barbaric chain.

01:02:51.000 You look down at the people in no shoes with pickaxes pulling the minerals out of the ground in the Congo and how that eventually gets to your Apple laptop.

01:03:00.000 It's like, wow, it's pretty fascinating that that is all, I mean, that that's a part of the equation.

01:03:05.000 The part of the equation for high technology, whether it's solar power or anything, is you need the minerals from Africa.

01:03:10.000 Oh, of course. 0.99

01:03:11.000 And that's how they're extracting those fucking things. 0.97

01:03:13.000 Until molecular engineering comes into play and we begin to synthesize these raw materials from scratch through molecular engineering, which is around the corner probably within the next 50, 60 years. 0.98

01:03:23.000 There's already small advancements in that.

01:03:25.000 See, the more you...

01:03:26.000 That's like, that's alchemy.

01:03:28.000 It is, kind of, kind of, yes, sure.

01:03:30.000 I mean, really, it's like that's what people predicted.

01:03:33.000 Well, you remember probably the old, many years ago, it was one of the companies, they spelled their name in little atoms, and they showed it in the magnifying glass, a big feat.

01:03:41.000 We've come a long way since then, and there's a lot of great futurist ideas out there that can basically create replicators for your home, where you're not going to be going to a store to buy anything.

01:03:51.000 You're going to be creating these things in your home.

01:03:54.000 And if there's anything that will destroy the market system quite rapidly, it will be advancements like that.

01:03:58.000 How do you possibly maintain labor systems where you can synthesize a laptop in one swoop, download the model from your computer, it goes into this vat, it's in this dust, and then the molecular element is released just like you print into a printer, or 3D printing, which I had in my film Moving Forward as a primitive notion of that.

01:04:15.000 They can print full cars now in one swoop.

01:04:17.000 There's so much advanced technology out there that is not known that would solve so many problems.

01:04:23.000 It's frustrating.

01:04:24.000 It's very frustrating.

01:04:25.000 And the very fact that these efficiencies are there and not being pushed as fast as they should be is even more frustrating.

01:04:31.000 But you see why.

01:04:33.000 Why?

01:04:33.000 Because efficiency is the enemy of everything that turns a profit.

01:04:36.000 We want to service everything.

01:04:38.000 We don't want to solve problems.

01:04:39.000 We want people with cancer not to cure the cancer. 1.00

01:04:41.000 You really think that's an ethic, though, that they think about that?

01:04:44.000 No, it's subconscious.

01:04:47.000 It's a syntax of thought.

01:04:48.000 They don't necessarily think that way.

01:04:50.000 Just like guys sitting around a room in the Pentagon start to justify killing 3,000 people, they're not thinking in terms of being murderers or anything else.

01:04:58.000 They're thinking in terms of business.

01:04:59.000 So, you know, if you want to make a laptop and you want people to buy it again, that thing's going to die probably three years from the time you buy it.

01:05:05.000 Different component problems that will go out.

01:05:07.000 Does it mean it has to?

01:05:08.000 No.

01:05:08.000 But the turnover is so important Inefficiency is the driver of this system, which is why we have the pollution problems, the waste problems, and the health problems, and why they feed in together and why our whole GDP is literally driven by sickness and inefficiency and waste.

01:05:25.000 If there's anything that blows my mind, it's how anti-economic our current system really is on all levels.

01:05:31.000 So if you want to solve problems, you want to make a car that lasts 60 years, that's easily interchangeable, that can be, excuse me, more than that, maybe 100 years, easily interchangeable, that can be updated.

01:05:39.000 You want to make a smartphone that has the longest lasting components that you don't need to throw away.

01:05:43.000 These things could be done if we wanted to do it, but it'd be anathema to what the market system requires for constant turnover.

01:05:49.000 Constant turnover, constant money circulation means more jobs.

01:05:53.000 So this planned obsolescence, you think, is this, like, a business model?

01:05:57.000 It's planned and intrinsic.

01:05:58.000 Another level is intrinsic.

01:06:00.000 It's not just that people, you know, they build things the best they can and they don't last.

01:06:03.000 They just break?

01:06:04.000 Two levels to it.

01:06:05.000 Planned obsolescence is very real.

01:06:07.000 You can go into historical archives of car companies to know that they strategized.

01:06:10.000 I can guarantee you people behind Apple sit there in their rooms and they have full-on statistics.

01:06:15.000 It's called operating systems.

01:06:16.000 Oh, you have an operating system update.

01:06:17.000 You're going to love it, but it's going to make your computer fun.

01:06:19.000 The software scam is even worse because that's just ones and zeros.

01:06:23.000 The fact that they even charge over and over for that is more hilarious.

01:06:26.000 I don't know.

01:06:27.000 That's planned obsolescence. 0.99

01:06:29.000 Intrinsic obsolescence is even more fucked up if you think about it. 0.93

01:06:32.000 That computer for it to be built has to go through the engine of the industrial profit complex, which means all the components, the extraction, everything else, someone's taking off the top throughout the entire thing, right? 0.97

01:06:42.000 And there's cost efficiency at the very end.

01:06:45.000 So if you're Apple computer, you want to buy the components to make your computer, you can't buy necessarily the highest grade level stuff in order to make it competitive against the other people that are selling computers similar, like Windows.

01:06:57.000 Whatever.

01:06:57.000 So you have to constantly be a little bit behind in order to be competitive so you can drop the price.

01:07:03.000 In other words, the quality of the product has to be diminished immediately for people to afford it.

01:07:07.000 The equation of cost efficiency refuses to allow the best possible goods to be produced at any one time.

01:07:16.000 Period.

01:07:16.000 It's a rule.

01:07:17.000 It's a natural evolution, a natural dynamic, if you will, of what it means to save money and to make profit. 1.00

01:07:25.000 So everything's a piece of shit the moment it's produced. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Yeah, well, that's except for shit like Ferraris. 1.00

01:07:32.000 Even a Ferrari, though. 0.99

01:07:33.000 Think about the price of a Ferrari, though.

01:07:34.000 That's why it's so expensive. 0.99

01:07:35.000 Yeah, but I mean, they really decide to just make the best shit they can make. 0.97

01:07:39.000 But it's not really the best. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Oh, fuck yeah, it is. 0.93

01:07:42.000 The 458 Italia, have you seen that thing? 0.99

01:07:44.000 No, I'm sure.

01:07:45.000 This new twin clutch gearbox.

01:07:47.000 Ridiculously powered V8 mid-engine supercar.

01:07:50.000 Come on, man.

01:07:50.000 That's about as good as human beings have ever created.

01:07:53.000 It really is.

01:07:54.000 It's the peak of engineering.

01:07:56.000 They use race car driving to engineer their cars.

01:08:01.000 They push cars to the limit.

01:08:02.000 And every year, they go around the Nürburgring a couple of seconds faster.

01:08:06.000 Everybody's straining the new Porsche.

01:08:08.000 It's 7 minutes and 40 seconds, the new 911. Is it electric?

01:08:13.000 No, it's not electric, but they have cars that they have developed that are electric.

01:08:17.000 Right, right.

01:08:17.000 Porsche has, they had a GT3 Cup car that they raced in the 24-hour race that was an electric car.

01:08:25.000 They're definitely trying to come up with electric technology, but they are making the best cars they can make.

01:08:31.000 Well, let's define...

01:08:33.000 There's certain things that are being done right now that are at the peak of production. 0.92

01:08:37.000 Even though they are being produced, they're essentially making some high-end shit that's the best they can make.

01:08:43.000 We could probably argue that one because if you look at all the advanced propulsion technology that's used in NASA, why aren't they applying such things like that? 0.93

01:08:51.000 A jet to your car?

01:08:53.000 Not exactly, but there are all sorts of things that are probably more advanced than either of us know that could be applied to that Ferrari, but they're not because of how it's truly expensive.

01:09:02.000 Therefore, no one And it wouldn't work on gas that you could get a pump either.

01:09:05.000 You have to work within those constraints.

01:09:06.000 Because our gas is actually really low compared to our octane is only 91. In other parts of the country I know you can get like 93 or 94. So I guess it's bad to have more octane.

01:09:19.000 But you see my point, though.

01:09:20.000 You can't make something, really, that people can buy.

01:09:22.000 I see what you're saying for the most part.

01:09:23.000 It's demographic targeted, too.

01:09:25.000 So what are the majority of people?

01:09:28.000 The majority of people are lower and middle class. 0.90

01:09:30.000 You make shit that doesn't work very well so they can afford it, and invariably it breaks and they suffer in the end because they have to deal with the constant cyclical turnover and the need to constantly repair and everything else. 0.95

01:09:41.000 When everything hits the fan and you start your cult... 0.98

01:09:46.000 What will everyone do for a job?

01:09:48.000 How does everyone get a thing to do?

01:09:49.000 You'll be doing my laundry.

01:09:50.000 I'll be doing your laundry?

01:09:52.000 I'm not good at laundry, dude.

01:09:53.000 You're not gonna want me to do your laundry.

01:09:56.000 What does everybody get a job?

01:10:00.000 I mean, what does it become?

01:10:00.000 Communism?

01:10:01.000 I mean, how do you figure out what the fuck everybody does to contribute to this thing? 1.00

01:10:04.000 What if you're a lazy cunt? 1.00

01:10:06.000 How do we deal with lazy cunts in the future? 1.00

01:10:08.000 You remember that lazy cunts are victims of culture. 1.00

01:10:10.000 Right. 1.00

01:10:10.000 That's the threshold here. 1.00

01:10:12.000 So do we take them on mushroom trips and straighten them out?

01:10:15.000 What do we do?

01:10:17.000 Well, think about it this way.

01:10:18.000 If you had a kid go into a store and there's a kid and his mother and the kid, it's today, and the kid goes and grabs some stuff and shoves it in his pockets, the mom says, no, that's stealing, slaps the kid's hand, the kid learns a valuable lesson and his values are altered, right?

01:10:32.000 Think about the same type of idea where we go into a store, there's no money, it's not even a store, it's a supply house. 0.88

01:10:40.000 And a kid goes in, he grabs whole handfuls of shit that is really unnecessary because there's no utility for it. 0.90

01:10:46.000 And the mother says, no, that's not what we do because we don't need all of that. 0.99

01:10:50.000 It has to be there.

01:10:51.000 We'll come back and get it later as we need it because the system's that efficient.

01:10:54.000 So you see how the value programming is very easy to adapt.

01:10:58.000 So throughout time, you'd begin to change people's values, how they relate to their environment.

01:11:02.000 Imagine if you didn't have to worry about money, Joe.

01:11:05.000 Imagine the extent that you could pursue in your life the interest that you found interesting.

01:11:11.000 And invariably, I guarantee you, if you look at how people respond, especially in their later years when they get more introspective, everyone wants to feel like they're contributing to society.

01:11:20.000 Everyone wants to feel like they've done something social. 0.98

01:11:23.000 So that kind of greed, self-absorbed shit, that's a very adolescent, immature thing. 0.99

01:11:26.000 It's probably there to a certain effect in the evolution, the adaptation of the human being as he grows. 1.00

01:11:31.000 But if you have a system that doesn't support or reinforce those issues, then the miserable cocksuckers and dimwits and assholes and jerk-offs won't materialize. 1.00

01:11:40.000 But they're here. 1.00

01:11:41.000 We need to figure out how to get rid of them.

01:11:43.000 Either to get rid of them or to fix them and bring them up.

01:11:46.000 That's going to be very difficult because that's a real issue.

01:11:49.000 It's a super real issue at the core of everything.

01:11:51.000 It's an educational problem.

01:11:52.000 That's why Doug Stanhope had to stop doing his parties in the desert.

01:11:56.000 That's what it is.

01:11:57.000 I didn't hear that story.

01:11:58.000 Doug Stanhope, my buddy and hilarious comedian, used to have these parties in the desert.

01:12:05.000 But...

01:12:06.000 You would have like, you know, anybody could come and everybody knew about it online. 0.90

01:12:09.000 So you would have like a thousand really cool people and two just unbearable douchebags. 1.00

01:12:16.000 And the two unbearable douchebags would make the whole party useless. 1.00

01:12:20.000 And those guys need to be... 0.99

01:12:22.000 You have to figure out what to do with them. 0.99

01:12:24.000 There's some people out there that are a fucking mess. 0.99

01:12:27.000 And you having this... 1.00

01:12:28.000 Beautiful solar dome where all this hippie pussy inside just lining up for you. 1.00

01:12:33.000 We're still going to have to deal with the barbarians at the gates. 1.00

01:12:36.000 Because otherwise, they, like the Nubians that stormed Egypt and took over the pyramids, they're going to come in and rush this bitch. 1.00

01:12:44.000 I don't see this materializing in some isolated place where the barbarians are waiting on the sidelines. 0.99

01:12:50.000 They're us.

01:12:51.000 They're people. 1.00

01:12:52.000 If the power went out right now, there would be hordes of barbarians on the street with hockey sticks and guns and whatever the fuck they could to go get whatever the fuck you had. 0.99

01:13:00.000 And that would last for a little while until someone said, you don't have to do that if we just calm down a moment. 0.99

01:13:07.000 The transition can happen even with the people that we have now that seem to be the creme de la creme, the victims of this culture.

01:13:14.000 It's just going to take a great deal of care and I think as a natural consequence, as the system fails, there'll be a great number of people that will turn around faster than you would believe once their needs are pulled away from them.

01:13:25.000 They realize that their needs have to come from some other process or somewhere else, then the adaptation becomes natural.

01:13:30.000 Well, one of the things about the Occupy Wall Street movement that's fascinated me is the idea that all these people sort of live together.

01:13:38.000 They're not just You know, protesting together. 0.95

01:13:41.000 They have fucking tents, and they have a community there. 0.99

01:13:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:44.000 You know, they have books. 1.00

01:13:45.000 You could, like, go to their little library and read their books.

01:13:49.000 They have them all set up there, you know?

01:13:50.000 That's how...

01:13:51.000 I mean, it's essentially...

01:13:53.000 Right now, it's not really a commune, but it's on its way.

01:13:56.000 They could easily... 0.98

01:13:57.000 If one of those guys said, listen, man, my cousin has 100 acres out in the wilderness, and they have fruit trees, and they grow vegetables, and there's animals, and we can hunt, and we can make a fucking culture. 0.98

01:14:07.000 Let's do this. 0.97

01:14:08.000 As long as we...

01:14:09.000 As long as you don't show any aggression towards the government.

01:14:12.000 It's certainly been done before. 1.00

01:14:13.000 But then they shut you down and they go Waco on your ass and fucking blow towards the buildings. 0.99

01:14:17.000 Or if you're a whole other country like the attempts of the Bolshevik Revolution or something new, despite what anyone ever thought of communism, that was quickly shut down as a concept by the Western powers. 0.99

01:14:28.000 You've got to be totally non-threatening if you want to start this cult.

01:14:31.000 You have to get a nice piece of property, but it's gotta be real pretty.

01:14:35.000 There's no property.

01:14:36.000 This is an evolution of ideas.

01:14:38.000 We're not gonna set up any communes. 0.99

01:14:40.000 When the shit hits the fan, you're gonna need a camp. 0.97

01:14:42.000 You're gonna need Camp Peter. 1.00

01:14:45.000 Right?

01:14:47.000 Come on, man.

01:14:47.000 Right outside of Arizona.

01:14:49.000 Get my Jim Jones glasses.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, you don't need glasses, dude.

01:14:52.000 You're going to be fine.

01:14:53.000 You're really good at this.

01:14:55.000 You can make eye contact to these people and just run the whole big solar dome right there from Sonoma.

01:15:03.000 Sonoma's a good spot.

01:15:04.000 They're prepared.

01:15:05.000 They're accepting it.

01:15:06.000 They're ready.

01:15:07.000 They've got the crystals out.

01:15:08.000 They're ready to take the vibe in.

01:15:10.000 Yeah.

01:15:12.000 What is going to happen, man?

01:15:13.000 Do you think that we're going to have a situation where money is going to lose all of its value, where it's going to be so bad and the economy is going to get bankrupt so inextricably that we're going to be stuck in a situation where we're like Russia was at one point in time, where they were waiting in line with bales of money to buy a loaf of bread?

01:15:36.000 Well, you're already seeing the militarization of the police.

01:15:38.000 You're already seeing the social destabilization spread because of the faulty economic premise that is creating the unemployment, that is creating the debt crisis, that it will invariably be very inhibited by the energy crisis if massive moves aren't met.

01:15:54.000 So the three issues, as I mentioned before, is the unemployment crisis.

01:15:57.000 And to expand on that, let's think about this for a second.

01:16:01.000 If you have technology replacing human labor, which is admitted across the board now, mostly by columnists as opposed to economists, because economists, market economists are in extreme denial on this one, and many a debate.

01:16:13.000 You replace people, but you're not just replacing their job, you're replacing their ability to purchase other stuff and circulate the economy, and that's even worse in its farthest extension.

01:16:24.000 That means that the entire fuel of growth is being slowly shut down, which means that the system will lose more and more, and the system will eventually just stifle to a point that it can't operate anymore, apart from common remedial jobs or problems that might arise.

01:16:41.000 But there's no way you're going to continue employing people on this planet in numbers that we have in the past.

01:16:45.000 It's all downhill from here because the profit motivation to replace people by machines is inherent to the interest to save money.

01:16:52.000 McDonald's has had systems on the shelf for 20 years now that would replace everyone in their kitchen.

01:16:58.000 Now they have the front kiosk systems as well.

01:17:00.000 They don't do it only because their corporate view is to be social and as an employer.

01:17:04.000 They have a stake in that.

01:17:06.000 Even though it's completely contrary to logic, and if you look carefully, they are automating very, very slowly, just like all the grocery stores are automating.

01:17:13.000 You're reducing purchasing power, and there's no way the system is going to maintain itself once that continues and accelerates.

01:17:18.000 It's the contradiction of capitalism.

01:17:20.000 So the idea of human labor is becoming obsolete.

01:17:24.000 That, in its own right, is going to inspire some serious reflection and some massive upheavals.

01:17:30.000 Can everybody contribute?

01:17:32.000 Is it possible that everybody can find their own unique way to contribute outside of manufacturing things, outside of working menial jobs, outside of fast food, supermarkets, retail?

01:17:43.000 It's a lot of jobs, man.

01:17:45.000 Consumption is twice what it was...

01:17:48.000 Now than it was in World War II. Right. 0.58

01:17:51.000 Advertising has completely fucked us up. 0.88

01:17:52.000 Twice per capita? 0.98

01:17:53.000 Twice per person. 1.00

01:17:55.000 The average person in America, since World War II, consumes twice the amount of shit. 0.99

01:17:59.000 Which obviously means something's askew. 0.99

01:18:02.000 Why?

01:18:02.000 Why do we feel the need to have all this other excess stuff?

01:18:06.000 Socially speaking, if you go to small tribes that don't have access to television, they're very, very happy with a very minimalistic life.

01:18:12.000 Their happiness isn't contingent upon how they compare themselves to others or any type of notion of value.

01:18:19.000 They live in the culture that's been manifest within the resources around them, and they're happier than any American with a multi-million dollar house and everything else, which is usually an antidepressants.

01:18:28.000 So what we have is a neuroses that's been built, which is fueling all this industry that's completely irrelevant, basically.

01:18:35.000 And the more that happens, the more we try to invent new jobs.

01:18:37.000 You know, I had one guy, an economist, tell me that, oh, we're just going to end up using Facebook money.

01:18:41.000 So we'll have everybody on the internet doing something with Facebook or some other network where somehow they gain credits and they'll use those credits as currency.

01:18:49.000 Pokes.

01:18:49.000 Now is that, yeah, something, I don't know.

01:18:50.000 I was talking about this like a year ago.

01:18:53.000 Remember this, Joe?

01:18:54.000 Remember, Joe, we talked about where I said the future is going to be pokes. 0.85

01:18:57.000 Pokes is going to be where you make your money.

01:18:59.000 And my point is it wouldn't surprise me if we reached that point where you have a whole group of these freaks, like straight out of like idiocracy or something, where they're all doing the most relevant actions, irrelevant, waste of life, waste of the human brain, does nothing to contribute just to maintain the idea of employment.

01:19:17.000 So, I don't think that's going to happen.

01:19:19.000 I think it's going to self-destruct.

01:19:20.000 Once the energy crisis hits and the debt crisis, which continues to stranglehold the entire planet, these three things will combine.

01:19:26.000 I can't predict the future, but I think within a couple years, you're going to see some very, very radical shifts in a lot of governments on this planet.

01:19:32.000 I think a lot of detachment will occur.

01:19:34.000 You're going to see an extension of military invasions.

01:19:36.000 They got out of Iraq.

01:19:36.000 They're going to go into Iran.

01:19:38.000 They got to get their energy resources there.

01:19:39.000 there, they gotta secure the Middle East for other resources, as far as minerals and gold and other things that are there too, there's a, the faster it collapses, the more criminal the meltdown becomes.

01:19:51.000 And that's something too, I think people should pay attention to. - We haven't even seen shit yet, now that we have time holes, Did you see that? 0.74

01:19:56.000 Pentagon created some time holes. 0.99

01:19:58.000 Time holes.

01:19:59.000 And now they can make events disappear.

01:20:01.000 Well, no.

01:20:02.000 First of all, you're dealing with, like, nanoseconds.

01:20:05.000 You're dealing with...

01:20:05.000 Right now, this is version one.

01:20:08.000 And this is only what they're telling us about.

01:20:10.000 They could have been having these time holes for some time.

01:20:12.000 I don't think so, because essentially the Pentagon is using guys that are at the forefront of science.

01:20:17.000 And the forefront of science is pretty...

01:20:19.000 It's published.

01:20:20.000 It's pretty much out there.

01:20:21.000 Everybody knows pretty much what everybody's working on.

01:20:23.000 I mean, not naming...

01:20:24.000 There's definitely some blackout projects, but... 0.99

01:20:27.000 You know, these guys, there's not a whole lot of these dudes, you know, and the way they stay at this level of, you know, of being a bad, super intelligent motherfucker. 0.97

01:20:36.000 So you have to exchange information. 0.97

01:20:37.000 How long is it?

01:20:38.000 Just a few seconds? 0.98

01:20:39.000 Like, can somebody flick my nipple and I'll be like, who did this? 0.98

01:20:42.000 No, you wouldn't even be able to perceive it. 0.96

01:20:44.000 There's no way you'd be able to perceive it.

01:20:46.000 But the idea is that this is just one, 40 picoseconds.

01:20:50.000 That's what it is.

01:20:51.000 It's what it is.

01:20:52.000 The researchers admit there's a big difference between human hiding laser beams for 40 picoseconds and hiding military operations lasting minutes or even several seconds.

01:21:00.000 But the idea is that they've started it.

01:21:02.000 Wow.

01:21:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:03.000 They've started some interesting shit. 0.99

01:21:04.000 That's exciting. 0.99

01:21:05.000 That is really exciting.

01:21:06.000 Well, you know what, man?

01:21:07.000 It is and it isn't.

01:21:08.000 I mean, everything is military. 0.97

01:21:10.000 The Pentagon is the one that fucking came up with this. 0.96

01:21:12.000 That's the most incredible thing. 0.99

01:21:13.000 Like, when you look at our capacity for innovation, the really impressive shit is all the stuff that blows things the fuck up. 0.98

01:21:20.000 Of course. 0.99

01:21:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:20.000 You know, look, cell phone cameras are really impressive. 0.99

01:21:23.000 It's really impressive that you can make a little video and make a movie from your phone.

01:21:26.000 You know what's way more impressive?

01:21:27.000 You drop a little box out of a plane and a city evaporates.

01:21:31.000 That's incredible.

01:21:32.000 And what is that?

01:21:33.000 That's the peak of our technology. 0.99

01:21:37.000 The peak of our technology that's the most impressive is a fucking laser beam that cuts the earth in half. 0.98

01:21:42.000 If there's any better proxy, I'm not quite sure what is. 0.93

01:21:45.000 If you look at how much energy and ingenuity is going into these things, what if we apply that idea to feeding people?

01:21:50.000 What if we apply that idea to doing actually relevant shit? 0.82

01:21:53.000 Well, then the hard-nosed folks that occasionally I agree with would say, well, you know what? 1.00

01:21:56.000 These fucks, they don't feed themselves. 1.00

01:21:58.000 This is evolution out there. 1.00

01:22:00.000 They're supposed to be figuring it out.

01:22:01.000 They're supposed to be getting it together, which I don't 100% agree with.

01:22:06.000 They should pick like a year or something.

01:22:07.000 Where like the whole year they're like, alright, every scientist, this year it's cancer.

01:22:12.000 You have one year.

01:22:13.000 And just every single scientist like devote on something.

01:22:16.000 No, well that doesn't make any sense because scientists have particular fields that they're scientists in.

01:22:21.000 Yeah, but they're all still.

01:22:22.000 They're all scientists-y.

01:22:25.000 You want nuclear physicists to go after AIDS. Well, if you think another example, the market system is so inhibiting through its competitive mechanisms that the Prima Fasci Association, the assumption is that basically everyone competing amongst themselves within the same sector will produce better results.

01:22:41.000 Right.

01:22:41.000 But that's cognitively erroneous.

01:22:43.000 You want to get people together to share their ideas, not get proprietary.

01:22:47.000 Right.

01:22:47.000 You want people to actually, if they really have the interest to cure or solve a problem or create something of the highest efficiency or utility, there's no better way to do that than to get them with that creative drive in one setting.

01:22:58.000 So you take all the cell phone companies, put them together, diminish them into one holding company for all of humanity that produced the best goddamn cell phone.

01:23:06.000 You could do that for anything. 0.95

01:23:07.000 And I'm sure if we actually thought about that, Cancer would be cured.

01:23:11.000 Well, there's actually cancer cures out there already, but cancer, as we know it in the establishment, would have been cured a long, long time ago.

01:23:17.000 There's way too much money being made through this competitive practice, though.

01:23:20.000 And, of course, the elongation of cancer.

01:23:23.000 And that goes back to the inefficiency mechanism is what drives it all.

01:23:26.000 If I could give you the wheel, if I could give you the wheel of this great...

01:23:31.000 Great world, this great society, this one giant global culture.

01:23:37.000 What would you do?

01:23:38.000 What would you first move?

01:23:39.000 If Peter Joseph just won the electrons.

01:23:42.000 It's the wrong logic, though, because there wouldn't be any elections. 0.99

01:23:45.000 There's no greater fucking insults. 0.99

01:23:47.000 Online, like a poll, an online poll. 1.00

01:23:48.000 You won.

01:23:49.000 You get to be king.

01:23:50.000 No, there wouldn't be a place for that.

01:23:53.000 Heidi Meintag was a close second.

01:23:56.000 She didn't get as much pokes, which is unfortunate.

01:23:58.000 She didn't get as many pokes as you, but, you know, the Zeitgeist movement prevailed, and you're in charge of putting this thing together.

01:24:05.000 You don't want to be, right?

01:24:06.000 You want it all to, like, figure it out itself.

01:24:08.000 No one single person... 0.99

01:24:09.000 It's the greatest insult to fucking have, like, a president of the United States. 0.99

01:24:14.000 What are we... 0.99

01:24:15.000 I know.

01:24:15.000 I guess we still are monkeys.

01:24:17.000 Primitive monkeys.

01:24:18.000 We need an alpha.

01:24:19.000 We need an alpha monkey. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Well, we're still monkeys.

01:24:23.000 We're definitely still monkeys, but we can adapt pretty quickly.

01:24:27.000 We have that cerebral cortex that popped out that can override all those lower brain reactions. 1.00

01:24:31.000 Yeah, as long as we're educated, we grow up well, we're taught how to squash our instincts, those stupid instincts are still there. 1.00

01:24:39.000 The instincts to dominate, the instincts to be jealous, the instincts to want to fuck other dudes' girlfriends. 1.00

01:24:44.000 Those instincts are all primal. 0.99

01:24:45.000 They're all in there, unfortunately.

01:24:47.000 Maybe not, though.

01:24:48.000 Every film you see out there reinforces such things like that.

01:24:51.000 It's hard to say.

01:24:53.000 Every film reinforces it, but also your instincts, your own nature.

01:24:59.000 We are clearly some sort of an animal and conscious being hybrid.

01:25:03.000 And we battle with these very primitive... 1.00

01:25:06.000 I mean, you ever be in front of somebody and you just want to punch them in the fucking head? 1.00

01:25:09.000 Well, if you were a chimp and you were living in the jungle, that's what you would do. 1.00

01:25:12.000 You would just punch him in the head. 1.00

01:25:13.000 If that chimp was pissing you off, he'd just bite it. 1.00

01:25:15.000 I mean, that's what they do. 0.99

01:25:17.000 We have this thing going on in our head where we're trying to squash all that nonsense. 0.99

01:25:23.000 I would just throw poop on him. 0.99

01:25:24.000 Throw poop on him? 1.00

01:25:26.000 You're a bonobo, that's why. 0.99

01:25:27.000 They're much more peaceful.

01:25:29.000 They solve most of their fights with carrying around sticks.

01:25:32.000 That's what they do. 0.99

01:25:33.000 Whoever picks up the biggest stick is like, oh, he's a bad motherfucker, look at that stick. 0.99

01:25:37.000 They don't actually go to blows. 1.00

01:25:40.000 The regular chimpanzees fuck each other up. 0.99

01:25:42.000 They kill each other. 1.00

01:25:42.000 But bonobos, really, they mostly solve their issues through sex. 1.00

01:25:46.000 Is that you? 0.96

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:48.000 How do you solve your... 0.98

01:25:49.000 I just threw poop on you. 0.95

01:25:51.000 Okay. 0.80

01:25:52.000 There's no universals, though.

01:25:53.000 There's no universals.

01:25:54.000 There's no king.

01:25:55.000 I know what you're saying, and I know you're very sensitive about this, because that is what happens in every situation where one person gets an inordinate amount of attention, like I'm sure you're getting, and you're a very charismatic dude.

01:26:05.000 You're very intelligent.

01:26:06.000 You're very well-spoken.

01:26:08.000 There must be some sort of a push in one sense or another to get you to kind of lead things, right?

01:26:13.000 I mean, you must feel...

01:26:14.000 Well, that's why I'm here.

01:26:14.000 I'm just trying to communicate these ideas.

01:26:16.000 You feel responsible?

01:26:18.000 Does it really mean...

01:26:19.000 You've created a movement, right?

01:26:21.000 I mean, essentially, you press the button.

01:26:23.000 Movement created itself.

01:26:23.000 It created itself, but you did press the start.

01:26:26.000 I suppose.

01:26:26.000 You pressed start.

01:26:26.000 But then again, in the sense of causality, who of us really trigger anything?

01:26:30.000 I could go back and take the Zeitgeist film, and I could say, well, this is an influence of all these other people.

01:26:35.000 I could say, Bill Hicks and George Carlin made Zeitgeist.

01:26:38.000 The values just spread.

01:26:40.000 There's an evolution and an organism of knowledge that we all hold on to.

01:26:44.000 But you were part of it as well.

01:26:46.000 No, I understand your point.

01:26:46.000 I know you're being humble.

01:26:47.000 I understand your point.

01:26:48.000 If you didn't create that video, we wouldn't be having this conversation, you wouldn't have had this movement, you wouldn't have...

01:26:54.000 So you've charged up a lot of people's brains with that, man.

01:26:59.000 There's been a lot of inspiration out there which has come from many different directions.

01:27:02.000 Explain, so I had an issue with the 9-11 stuff that when you guys did the first video, essentially you were saying that 9-11 was an inside job and then you knew that the buildings could not have come down any other way, right?

01:27:15.000 Isn't that something that was said?

01:27:17.000 With creative license, yeah, that's what was definitely implied.

01:27:20.000 And you said that just for a fact, because you did not anticipate this ever being what it was, and you were just trying to get an effect out of people?

01:27:29.000 Well, it was the assumption that the audience would, of course, make up their own mind, because before that, there's a great deal of evidence.

01:27:34.000 And the opinion of the creator, then all probabilities moving forward, yeah, that statement was made declaratory.

01:27:40.000 Do you think that when you see Tower 1 and Tower 2, do you think that they were detonated?

01:27:45.000 Tower 1 and Tower 2 most probably were.

01:27:49.000 It's all X, Ys, and Zs to me. 0.97

01:27:51.000 World Trade Center 7, by all means.

01:27:54.000 World Trade Center 7 is the only one that when you look at it, it fell into its foundation, which is exactly what happened.

01:28:01.000 Even beyond that, you have eyewitness testimony of people that were stepping over bodies from pre-weakening explosions that were there.

01:28:07.000 You have all sorts of things that do not add up.

01:28:11.000 Seismic elements that were brought into play.

01:28:13.000 Supposedly no one died in Tower 7. No, there was a whole sea of people.

01:28:17.000 Remember the guy that mysteriously died, I believe, of some illness?

01:28:21.000 His name was a black man with glasses.

01:28:23.000 Oh, I know what you're talking about.

01:28:24.000 He was the guy who said that he saw bodies.

01:28:25.000 He and one other person were in the elevators that blew out on the 8th floor.

01:28:30.000 Basically, he was the only eyewitness testimony to that in the lobby.

01:28:35.000 He actually worked for the mayor, too, which was even more interesting.

01:28:37.000 Well, that one certainly looks like a demolition, the way it fell.

01:28:41.000 But the other towers...

01:28:43.000 I've never seen a controlled demolition where it starts from the top and sort of pancakes down like that.

01:28:48.000 It usually falls into itself.

01:28:50.000 You know, it goes and collapses into its base.

01:28:54.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:28:54.000 Maybe there's another way to do it.

01:28:55.000 Maybe they can do it where it pancakes down.

01:28:58.000 But also, isn't it possible that a structural failure, because they were hit by giant jet engines?

01:29:04.000 Jet planes?

01:29:06.000 Not since they were designed to take the impact of such jet planes.

01:29:09.000 Yeah, but couldn't it be just faulty engineering?

01:29:11.000 Like they thought it was going to work and they were wrong?

01:29:12.000 The idea that you have a cold structure, law of conservation of momentum, you have a cold structure down here, regardless of how hot it is up here, to see a systemic collapse.

01:29:21.000 If you look at the NIST studies and everything else, which didn't even explain the collapse, by the way.

01:29:26.000 It's beyond improbable, and I've yet to meet one structural engineer that could ever explain that, especially given the free-fall nature of it when it hit.

01:29:34.000 Not to mention all the other characteristics that support it.

01:29:36.000 Free-fall nature meaning it fell very similar to free-fall speed?

01:29:41.000 Very close to free-fall speed, of course.

01:29:43.000 Not to mention the pre-weakening explosions, the sub-basement explosions.

01:29:46.000 The recipe of it was perfectly in order with everything that you'd see in controlled demolition, except this was just extremely advanced, and it's an implosion instead of an explosion.

01:29:54.000 I've had this conversation with several people who believe the exact same thing.

01:29:58.000 One of them was Michael Rupert, who was on last week.

01:30:01.000 And I always ask the same question.

01:30:03.000 How many people?

01:30:04.000 How many people know about this?

01:30:06.000 If you believe that that is the case, and you believe that it was some sort of an inside job, coordinating explosions, Well, if you were an engineer that could have access to the elevator shafts, which would have led you to all the pivotal structural beams that would be required to do this, you could probably do it over the course of time with 15 people.

01:30:20.000 15 people.

01:30:21.000 And then what do you do? 1.00

01:30:22.000 Shoot them all? 1.00

01:30:22.000 I have no idea. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Get those workers planning explosives.

01:30:27.000 How long did it take for, you know, all these other events that have occurred that people have been tight-lipped about for so, so long.

01:30:32.000 Think about any historical event of black operation. 0.59

01:30:34.000 It's a tight club in that world.

01:30:37.000 Tight, tight club. 0.99

01:30:38.000 Doesn't surprise me at all that no one would come forward.

01:30:41.000 My God, no one would come forward and they would set up explosions and bring down two gigantic skyscrapers while the world watched. 0.99

01:30:47.000 And none of those assholes wanted to claim credit for that? 0.99

01:30:50.000 No one wants to step up and say they had something to do with that? 0.99

01:30:53.000 Based on historical precedent, it doesn't surprise me at all.

01:30:57.000 Let's go back and look at all the history of black operations, CIA and FBI. Look at the names that were under it.

01:31:01.000 Where did those people go?

01:31:03.000 Why didn't they talk about the things they were involved in before?

01:31:05.000 It's interesting that I know about Hitler burning the Reichstag and Nero burned Rome. 0.62

01:31:11.000 And we know that this situation has been...

01:31:13.000 It's happened in history before where someone has created some sort of an artificial dilemma to resolve it.

01:31:18.000 And they've done it to pass laws, to impose their agenda, whatever.

01:31:24.000 But then when someone tells me that Oklahoma City, they blew it up just to pass new terrorism laws, I go... 1.00

01:31:31.000 Get the fuck out of here, man. 0.99

01:31:32.000 Part of me doesn't want to accept that. 0.99

01:31:34.000 Part of me is, even though I know that it's been done before, there's a certain...

01:31:40.000 It's a more complicated web.

01:31:42.000 It was recently released that the FBI has been involved in over 50% of, quote, terrorist acts that have occurred in U.S. soil.

01:31:49.000 What they do is they infiltrate, and then they enable in certain ways, and sometimes they bust them in the middle, or they let it go forward.

01:31:58.000 In the case of the first World Trade Center bomb, you know, the guy with the recording of the agent that was there that was working with the terrorist and sided with the FBI, and the FBI told him to go forward with the explosion.

01:32:11.000 They gave him the bomb to do so.

01:32:13.000 So that didn't need to happen.

01:32:15.000 That's public record.

01:32:16.000 Really?

01:32:16.000 So they knew he was going to blow up the World Trade Center?

01:32:19.000 They had infiltrated the group long before.

01:32:22.000 Knew he was going to do it and let him?

01:32:23.000 That's what's so suspicious.

01:32:24.000 Yeah, they gave him the explosion.

01:32:26.000 They gave him the detonator.

01:32:27.000 The FBI handed Salam, was his name, and the guy recorded his conversations because he was so upset by what the FBI wanted him to do.

01:32:36.000 Jesus Christ.

01:32:37.000 All of that's in the Zeitgeist Movement companion guide, by the way. 0.99

01:32:40.000 Perfectly honest, I'm so sick of talking about that shit. 0.99

01:32:42.000 Really? 1.00

01:32:43.000 Oh, I hear you.

01:32:43.000 Because it's always the drill there.

01:32:45.000 Goddamn, though. 0.99

01:32:45.000 That's unbelievable. 0.99

01:32:46.000 I know about the guy in, I believe it was Dallas, where they talked him into blowing something up, gave him a fake bomb, set him up, and he went and did it, and then they arrested him.

01:32:56.000 I'm like, that is just...

01:32:57.000 You found some really... 1.00

01:32:58.000 Dumb guy. 0.99

01:32:59.000 It's easy to see, if you look at all the warnings of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, easy to see how CIA-FBI agents infiltrated a rogue group that were planning to do a terrorist attack in the World Trade Center, infiltrated and aided, and to make sure it worked in the way that they wanted it to, even after the fact, with industrial organizing. 0.99

01:33:18.000 Did people die in the first World Trade Center bombing?

01:33:21.000 I believe a couple people did.

01:33:23.000 It wasn't that big, though.

01:33:24.000 I think it was seven people or something.

01:33:26.000 So they're responsible for those seven deaths.

01:33:28.000 And the only reason it didn't bring down a major beam, by the way, is because there was another van parked in the wrong spot.

01:33:33.000 It was supposed to be right by this one support beam.

01:33:35.000 If it did, it would have partially imploded down, partially collapsed it in, and a whole lot more people would have died.

01:33:41.000 So you believe that 15 people could have rigged the World Trade Center towers?

01:33:45.000 Over the course of many months, yes.

01:33:47.000 And they could have been planning this thing out the whole time, and Dick Cheney's got all these exercises going on.

01:33:52.000 I don't go so far to say it has anything to do with presidents or anything like that.

01:33:56.000 I think it's a standard operating procedure, black operation, that's telltale.

01:34:01.000 Back in time, just look at how they operated before, and they just did it again.

01:34:05.000 Who sets it up?

01:34:06.000 The banks?

01:34:07.000 No.

01:34:08.000 It's not that obvious.

01:34:09.000 Corporate interests and Wall Street are highly intertwined.

01:34:12.000 CIA and Wall Street are highly intertwined.

01:34:15.000 You can't speculate on how this idea would really come to fruition.

01:34:19.000 All you can think of is that, yes, you have the options there and you have the precedent to do so.

01:34:24.000 I have no idea where the source would be.

01:34:26.000 It had so many benefits and so many different levels.

01:34:29.000 Namely benefit though is to the administration, the interest of the oil industry to move in on the powers of the Middle East and give the ultimate precedent and as a side effect...

01:34:38.000 Seems like they were gonna orchestrate it though.

01:34:39.000 Wouldn't they orchestrate it with some people?

01:34:42.000 Like if we're gonna go to Iraq, that's the plan. 0.97

01:34:44.000 Wouldn't they have Iraqis attack us? 1.00

01:34:46.000 I don't think they could have infiltrated it, but they tried their hardest to pin it on Saddam.

01:34:49.000 I have one of the first publications, by the way, that was produced the day after 9-11 by Time Magazine.

01:34:54.000 It's the most amazing piece of propaganda.

01:34:55.000 You flip through it, you have every horrible shot as exaggerated as possible, and then boom, you hit Osama bin Laden. 0.85

01:35:02.000 There he is.

01:35:03.000 Next page, Saddam Hussein. 0.76

01:35:06.000 Next page, the guy from Korea.

01:35:09.000 So they just lined them up psychologically, and you could easily have seen.

01:35:13.000 Saddam was a highlight. 0.97

01:35:14.000 He was sitting there with a big bazooka.

01:35:17.000 It was hilarious.

01:35:18.000 I mean, it was as planted as you could possibly get, which is not a new thing either.

01:35:24.000 It's just sad to see how people have no sense of history.

01:35:26.000 They don't really understand how business has been covert for so long.

01:35:31.000 And then again, what would you expect?

01:35:33.000 Government is a business.

01:35:34.000 That's what it runs.

01:35:35.000 It's one big business.

01:35:35.000 It's just we expect more transparency because we have so much more information.

01:35:40.000 Transparency was never there to begin with.

01:35:41.000 The only reason that we think...

01:35:42.000 But we never had the internet either.

01:35:43.000 Exactly.

01:35:44.000 The only reason we think is because now it starts to leak because of how powerful then the WikiLeaks and people with consciences are coming forward and trying to help and make these things come out.

01:35:54.000 It's really going back to the social system flaw.

01:35:59.000 If it's a survival of the fittest concept, if it's a competitive system, it doesn't matter whether it's two people competing for a job, two corporations competing for market share, or two countries competing for resources and their own esteem or whatever their interests are as an empire.

01:36:13.000 It's the same fundamental logic. 0.96

01:36:16.000 When Julian Assange came out with all this information and released all this shit, what did you think was going to happen to that guy? 0.98

01:36:25.000 I was just disappointed that he chose to put himself in the forefront because it painted a picture of a personality, a cult of personality, which I just can't stand. 0.98

01:36:34.000 I didn't know what would...

01:36:34.000 I figured he would just be...

01:36:36.000 he would be character assessed to the left and right.

01:36:38.000 I doubt they would try to do anything to him physically.

01:36:40.000 Why do you think he did it?

01:36:41.000 It was an ego move to put himself in the front of everything.

01:36:43.000 I think it was inadvertent.

01:36:44.000 I think he was a spokesman.

01:36:45.000 It was inadvertent.

01:36:46.000 But if I was in that position of such massive attention, I would have gotten a team to take the reins and not have one entity.

01:36:53.000 That way there's less for them to attack.

01:36:55.000 If there's anything that I do in my work, even though I don't consider myself to be that famous, is I'm always dispersing and getting other people to do lots of other things and take the attention away from myself for many different purposes.

01:37:06.000 For one, I don't really feel comfortable with any type of role, as you've joked about.

01:37:11.000 It's really not in my character whatsoever.

01:37:13.000 But it's fascinating that you've gotten to this point.

01:37:15.000 I just feel like I've been pushed.

01:37:17.000 It's the old Martin Luther King thing.

01:37:18.000 He just felt like...

01:37:19.000 I'm a big Martin Luther King fan, and he felt like he was pushed.

01:37:22.000 So I kind of allow myself to just be pushed, and I kind of go with the flow.

01:37:26.000 But there's nothing more important to me than showing a larger face to this type of concept and not get caught up in the cult of personality issue.

01:37:33.000 It has a few different psychological levels.

01:37:35.000 Are you making a living doing lectures now?

01:37:38.000 Like, what are you doing for...

01:37:39.000 I have never been paid for a lecture.

01:37:40.000 I make a modest living trying to commercially now exploit Zeitgeist.

01:37:45.000 And occasionally, believe it or not, I still do some equity things.

01:37:48.000 We do what we have to do in this system.

01:37:51.000 So you're out there scamming the people?

01:37:53.000 No, I'm scamming other traders.

01:37:55.000 That's what you do.

01:37:56.000 Is that what you do?

01:37:57.000 It's like a game you play?

01:37:59.000 It is.

01:37:59.000 That's all it is.

01:38:00.000 You do what you have to do.

01:38:01.000 It could just be a bartender somewhere.

01:38:04.000 Why won't you just charge money for lectures?

01:38:07.000 I don't like it.

01:38:08.000 I don't like doing that.

01:38:08.000 People will be nice.

01:38:09.000 They'll compensate me for travel.

01:38:10.000 I appreciate that.

01:38:11.000 I can't afford to just flagrantly go out there.

01:38:14.000 You fly all over the country for free?

01:38:17.000 Not usually, but if there's an event, I try to hope that they give me at least something.

01:38:20.000 It depends on the nature of the event.

01:38:22.000 Are you guys gonna have like some sort of an annual thing, like some sort of a Zeitgeist party?

01:38:26.000 We have, well, we have a Zeitgeist Day, which is a very intellectual day with a series of lectures, about a dozen of us that give different lectures and different subjects.

01:38:34.000 Where do you do that?

01:38:35.000 We're doing this one in Vancouver last year.

01:38:37.000 We did it in London.

01:38:37.000 The year before we did it in New York.

01:38:39.000 See, that's pretty badass.

01:38:40.000 Yeah, that's a big pivotal part of the kind of awareness program.

01:38:44.000 We've had great turnouts.

01:38:45.000 That's how you meet the guy with the land.

01:38:47.000 That's how the story starts.

01:38:49.000 You bring it into my laundry?

01:38:50.000 The guy who does your land, man. 1.00

01:38:52.000 The guy who's going to fucking set up your compound. 0.99

01:38:55.000 Who do you think killed Biggie? 1.00

01:38:58.000 Rampart, bro.

01:38:59.000 My Captain Conspiracy here.

01:39:01.000 Who killed Biggie?

01:39:02.000 You're not a conspiracy guy, are you?

01:39:04.000 No, I don't care for those ideas.

01:39:06.000 I see the causality of it.

01:39:08.000 I don't care for the idea of conspiracy.

01:39:10.000 I'm certainly not into the concept as a theme.

01:39:13.000 People misunderstood the first film as far as what was said.

01:39:16.000 It became, quote, the greatest conspiracy film of all time in some press media, which I thought was a bad...

01:39:22.000 The idea was on cultural fallibility.

01:39:25.000 You had religious farce, you had the 9-11 farce, and you had the entire banking war scam.

01:39:30.000 It was all really a matter of how publicly manipulated everyone is into believing that these things are actually legitimate and hold up the social zeitgeist.

01:39:38.000 Well, I think what you did, too, is package it all together in a really easily absorbable form that really, like, sent the point home.

01:39:45.000 You know, and again, a lot of people started on a path of thinking that they might not have ever started on.

01:39:50.000 Exactly.

01:39:51.000 That's what seemed to be so amazing.

01:39:53.000 You know, you get emails like, you've changed my life.

01:39:55.000 It's just amazing to see the response, again, completely inadvertent.

01:39:59.000 So you have a certain amount of responsibility because of that.

01:40:01.000 Do you feel it?

01:40:02.000 Of course I feel it.

01:40:03.000 I don't take myself that seriously, though.

01:40:06.000 I'm just like anybody else.

01:40:08.000 So anytime I run into somebody that has a kind of a cult of personality thing, I really try to shut that down as fast as possible.

01:40:14.000 I can't stand being complimented.

01:40:16.000 Oh, when someone gets crazy.

01:40:17.000 You are my hero. 1.00

01:40:19.000 Shit like that, yeah. 1.00

01:40:20.000 You haven't met any chicks with tattoos you're face on yet? 1.00

01:40:22.000 No.

01:40:22.000 They're out there.

01:40:23.000 Not that I've seen yet.

01:40:24.000 I bet there's a couple girls that have your face on their calf. 1.00

01:40:27.000 Definitely. 1.00

01:40:28.000 The hippie pussy you get must be unbelievable, though. 1.00

01:40:31.000 Thrown your way. 1.00

01:40:31.000 I don't know if you're in a relationship. 1.00

01:40:32.000 Or girls with tattoos, I think, for some reason. 0.99

01:40:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:35.000 Like tatted girls. 1.00

01:40:37.000 Girls with crystals. 0.96

01:40:37.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:40:38.000 Girls ready.

01:40:39.000 Ready for you to start that cult.

01:40:40.000 I don't have a rock star life, unfortunately.

01:40:43.000 Why is that, man? 1.00

01:40:44.000 You need to fucking manage this shit better. 1.00

01:40:46.000 Trust me. 1.00

01:40:46.000 If you need a podcast. 1.00

01:40:47.000 It's not in my character.

01:40:48.000 Come on, man.

01:40:50.000 That's all well and good.

01:40:51.000 Let's pretend no one's listening.

01:40:54.000 Let's pretend no one's listening.

01:40:55.000 Let's pretend that this may be just one frame in an infinite movie that goes on forever and makes no sense. 0.98

01:41:00.000 You should be enjoying the shit out of this. 1.00

01:41:01.000 And you can enjoy the shit out of this with rivers of hippie pussy. 1.00

01:41:04.000 Let me tell you something, Matt. 1.00

01:41:06.000 What can we do for Peter Joseph?

01:41:09.000 Take him to the Olive Garden.

01:41:10.000 If we gave him a podcast...

01:41:12.000 Peter Joseph every week.

01:41:14.000 Yeah, that would be awesome, dude.

01:41:15.000 Come on, man.

01:41:15.000 You're going to give me a podcast?

01:41:16.000 Dude, you're going to have a podcast once a week?

01:41:18.000 All right.

01:41:18.000 I do a radio show.

01:41:20.000 I do a radio show.

01:41:20.000 That's okay.

01:41:21.000 What do you do?

01:41:22.000 Is it on regular radio?

01:41:23.000 It's blog talk radio that we do for the movement.

01:41:25.000 It's just a free...

01:41:26.000 Is it online?

01:41:27.000 It's online, yeah.

01:41:28.000 So it's essentially a podcast as well.

01:41:29.000 It is a podcast.

01:41:30.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 Just not video.

01:41:32.000 Do more.

01:41:33.000 Yeah, dude.

01:41:33.000 You could go on for hours and hours.

01:41:36.000 I got the Sex Squad podcast.

01:41:38.000 I know you do, but I mean it's amazing you never say um.

01:41:41.000 You're like one of the most eloquent guys I think I've ever talked to.

01:41:44.000 It's amazing.

01:41:45.000 Well, it's one of the things I was...

01:41:48.000 watching your presentations like he's speaking so clearly.

01:41:50.000 He's like, he's always so good with getting his, that's not the easiest thing to do for a person like me who's essentially lived at least half of my life doing public speeches.

01:42:00.000 Sure.

01:42:01.000 You know, either stand-up comedy or acting stuff.

01:42:04.000 It's not natural to me, I'm not too afraid to speak in front of people.

01:42:09.000 I guess that's part of it, you know, just to be a performer, if you will.

01:42:12.000 Do you feel like at this point you have like a zeitgeist act?

01:42:15.000 And I say act, not that it's bullshit, but almost like with stand-up comedy, you know, you have subjects that you know you're going to go into, and then once you get into those subjects, you have stuff that you already always share.

01:42:24.000 Sure, sure.

01:42:25.000 Well, it depends on the circumstance.

01:42:27.000 It's a vast range of stuff, and I could ramble on about a lot of other different issues.

01:42:31.000 If you want to go back for, I mean, yeah, so it's formulaic, obviously.

01:42:34.000 If I'm addressing Occupy Wall Street, I have a very specific kind of gesture I'm going for, a little more anarchy-oriented, you know, trying to relate to their values, a little more angry, because everyone wants to get riled up.

01:42:45.000 You really can't be that way.

01:42:46.000 So you have a fired-up speech that you give?

01:42:48.000 I can give the angry Peter Joseph speech if I have to. 1.00

01:42:52.000 Again, that's a great way to get to that hippie pussy. 1.00

01:42:54.000 You've got to be a leader that's pissed off. 1.00

01:42:56.000 In any communication, you need strategy.

01:42:58.000 So I try my best to collar my strategy just like I'm doing right now with you.

01:43:03.000 Yeah, well, so your main gig is this now.

01:43:06.000 I mean, this is essentially what you're doing.

01:43:07.000 You do your music.

01:43:08.000 Well, I'm a filmmaker.

01:43:09.000 Music's on the sidelines.

01:43:10.000 I do that as a hobby.

01:43:12.000 We do art festivals and things like that to kind of make...

01:43:15.000 A little fun out of things.

01:43:17.000 The Socially Conscious Art Festival we had a while back.

01:43:19.000 But, you know, the music's on the sidelines.

01:43:20.000 The film is...

01:43:21.000 I have a new film coming out at the end of this year.

01:43:23.000 And what is that?

01:43:24.000 Zeitgeist Beyond the Pale, hopefully by the end of 2012. I'm not completely set on that, but it's going to be the fourth.

01:43:30.000 It's going to be a live-action one.

01:43:31.000 I'm not going to give away too much about it.

01:43:33.000 A live-action one, meaning...

01:43:35.000 So, I mean, it's going to be a documentary, but it's going to be a very untraditional documentary.

01:43:40.000 Again, I don't want to talk about it because...

01:43:42.000 But it's going to be very interesting.

01:43:44.000 I do a lot of character establishment with this one.

01:43:47.000 I've got actors in this one.

01:43:49.000 It's the same idea, same pushing forward with this broad social expansion, the idea of what a rational society is.

01:43:57.000 Did you see Moving Forward?

01:43:58.000 It's going to be a similar portrayal of the third film, but in a gestural sense, which I think I'm excited to do because I've never done something like that.

01:44:06.000 Well, that's kind of a cool concept to actually show people as actors moving forward, creating some new society.

01:44:12.000 It's not exactly like that.

01:44:14.000 No?

01:44:14.000 The fifth film I'll do...

01:44:16.000 The trilogy will...

01:44:17.000 Well, not the trilogy.

01:44:18.000 The whole series will end in the fifth film.

01:44:20.000 This is building up to the fifth film.

01:44:23.000 The fifth film is going to be a puppet show we do in a cave. 1.00

01:44:27.000 You can have a fucking marionette act. 0.99

01:44:29.000 We're going to have a nice fire. 1.00

01:44:31.000 We're going to lay over some bear that we just killed.

01:44:33.000 As we clean the meat, you'll do your puppet show.

01:44:36.000 You'll explain how it all went down.

01:44:39.000 Post-Northia war.

01:44:39.000 Post-apocalyptic.

01:44:40.000 Right.

01:44:41.000 Explain how it all went down.

01:44:42.000 Right.

01:44:42.000 Do you think we're in danger of that?

01:44:45.000 Do you think we're in danger of nuclear war? 1.00

01:44:46.000 Is it within our grasp that we're that stupid that we might start bombing Iran and they start bombing us? 0.99

01:44:53.000 Well, the big argument is how mature a society is. 0.99

01:44:57.000 You know, if you have molecular engineering which is coming to fruition and you can have someone using nanotechnology create Off the shelf with a very small lab, a very destructive piece of equipment the size of this bottle that can wipe out or poison or do whatever the hell knows to a very large landmass.

01:45:14.000 What does that say about the culture that feels the need to do that?

01:45:17.000 Because now we have a rebellion across the world in real terrorism, not the farce terrorism, but there really is this angst that's emerged from all this deprivation, from abuse, blowback, if you want to look at the Chomsky kind of view.

01:45:29.000 I think it's a little more complicated than that psychologically.

01:45:32.000 What's gonna happen?

01:45:32.000 We have a whole group of people that are so pissed and they're so deprived that they begin to have Abilities with technology that far exceed anything like a grenade or a suitcase bomb So nuclear war as an extension of that seems almost inevitable not to mention the small destructive patterns that we could have I don't think people even realize that potentials on the horizon because our world is so We're so programmed by our daily experiences.

01:45:55.000 We're so used to certain experiences and a level of those experiences.

01:46:00.000 The idea that we're at war to us is some sort of a vague thing that you see on television unless you've actually been over there.

01:46:08.000 It goes back to the point I made earlier about the broad collective social conscious versus the individual.

01:46:14.000 Until we begin to look at society in a social way, when you look at each other as yourself, it's not even poetic here, it's just you can't have social stability until everyone's taken care of.

01:46:23.000 If someone's deprived on the other side of the world, I'm not safe, because dementia can kick in, who knows what biases they might emerge, who they might trigger, and boom, suddenly a suitcase bomb explodes behind me at some restaurant.

01:46:36.000 No one's safe anymore with the technological advancement we have, the risks, the Fukushima power plant again.

01:46:41.000 You have to have a world-conscious view at this stage, especially with the age of modern technology and warfare, or it's just, as in the words of Albert Einstein, our technology has exceeded our humanity.

01:46:52.000 He said that when he experienced the nuclear bomb that he helped engineer.

01:46:56.000 He saw how bad this was.

01:46:59.000 Even the great scientist That's in the wheelchair.

01:47:05.000 Hawking.

01:47:06.000 Hawking has stated that he wants to see everyone get off the planet.

01:47:09.000 He feels that we're already doomed.

01:47:11.000 For the extension of the human species, we have to populate another planet because there's no way we're going to survive in this one based on what we're doing.

01:47:19.000 These are very smart people.

01:47:21.000 That think these ways.

01:47:23.000 And they're very smart people who are studying the human race as if we're studying a colony of ants or studying anything else that you can clearly see where they're headed.

01:47:31.000 Yeah.

01:47:33.000 It's scary.

01:47:34.000 Unlike anything...

01:47:36.000 Is it natural?

01:47:38.000 It's all natural.

01:47:39.000 It is all natural, right?

01:47:40.000 It is all natural.

01:47:41.000 Is it natural that, you know, someone said this, I believe it was McKenna, that every parasite is a failed symbiote?

01:47:51.000 Interesting.

01:47:52.000 You know, what they're all trying to do is find some sort of, I mean, every body is filled with other sorts of living organisms.

01:48:02.000 And that these living organisms, they work together in synergy.

01:48:05.000 They work together, they're...

01:48:07.000 They're symbiotic and that every parasite is like one that didn't quite work out and just fucked up and killed the host or Jack the host or does something terrible to those Isn't it possible that that's what technology is the technology is also sort of some sort of a it's some sort of a parasitic symbiotic thing where it's it's in the middle of In the middle of helping us, it's enlightening us and it's allowing us to move forward.

01:48:36.000 It's allowing us to exchange information at a rate never possible before.

01:48:40.000 But it's also, when you establish the highest levels of technology, they often are destructive. 0.99

01:48:47.000 And it's going to feed the need for people to try that shit out and use it. 0.96

01:48:52.000 Well, there's the flaw of the broad human psychology and this defense posture that we've groomed so well. 0.99

01:48:59.000 It's not the technology that's the problem, it's the fucking people behind the technology. 0.99

01:49:03.000 Sure, absolutely. 0.98

01:49:04.000 Is it almost inevitable that with this kind of power we will have this kind of behavior?

01:49:13.000 Is it almost inevitable that with ultimate power like that?

01:49:16.000 Well, if there isn't a very dramatic change in the way people think about themselves and how they relate to the world, it seems inevitable to me.

01:49:23.000 How did you develop this line of thinking?

01:49:25.000 Did you have some sort of a life-changing experience?

01:49:29.000 Were you always like this?

01:49:30.000 I just had great influences from Carl Sagan to even George Carlin and Bill Hicks.

01:49:39.000 The comedy spectrum, coupled with the scientific community, was very influential with me, both from a cultural standpoint and a progressive standpoint.

01:49:45.000 If there's any individual that's most influential, it would have been Carl Sagan as far as values, because he was so in line.

01:49:51.000 And he smoked weed every day, son.

01:49:54.000 Did you know that?

01:49:55.000 No, I didn't know that.

01:49:56.000 Carl Sagan would smoke weed and just think about space.

01:49:59.000 That's what he did.

01:50:00.000 He wrote some beautiful, eloquent essays on cannabis use.

01:50:03.000 Did he?

01:50:04.000 I wasn't aware of that.

01:50:05.000 Yeah, he's a brilliant guy.

01:50:06.000 Sagan's amazing.

01:50:07.000 So, you know, it's a long value shift, and I went through the same stuff of anger and everything else that I think a lot of people do, and then I met even more people that fascinated me and a lot of authors.

01:50:18.000 There's so many brilliant minds out there, from Jacque Fresco to Buckminster Fuller to Nicola Tesco.

01:50:22.000 Jacque Fresco is the guy that's the head of that Venus Project?

01:50:24.000 Is that who he is?

01:50:25.000 He's the director of the Venus Project, yeah.

01:50:27.000 And the Venus Project is, explain that to me, because this is a resource-based economy.

01:50:33.000 Venus Project is an encapsulated concept put forward by Jacques, which goes farther than a train of thought.

01:50:41.000 It actually has design issues that he's come up with throughout the years.

01:50:45.000 He's about 95 now.

01:50:47.000 Very brilliant, very brilliant guy.

01:50:49.000 They basically are promoting very specific systems.

01:50:53.000 And the Zeitgeist Movement promotes long trains of thought without being specific to a design.

01:50:58.000 We used to be in partnership with the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement.

01:51:02.000 And you guys fell apart?

01:51:03.000 There was a falling out there, unfortunately.

01:51:04.000 What happened?

01:51:05.000 Hard to explain.

01:51:06.000 It was a kind of a personality drop-off. 1.00

01:51:10.000 That's code for hippie pussy. 1.00

01:51:12.000 That's what it was. 1.00

01:51:13.000 They were fighting over hippie pussy. 1.00

01:51:15.000 Jock Fresco used to be at the top of the heap. 1.00

01:51:17.000 When you're 95 years old, you've been doing this forever and this young whippersnapper comes along making his fucking films. 1.00

01:51:22.000 Like, bitch, I got a map. 1.00

01:51:23.000 I got a map for the future. 0.98

01:51:25.000 So he's very specific as far as engineering this sort of a society?

01:51:31.000 He's an industrial designer and social engineer.

01:51:32.000 Ah, so there you go.

01:51:33.000 He spent a great deal of time doing it.

01:51:35.000 And it's just like Buckminster Fuller, which I think is a good counterpart.

01:51:38.000 These are prominent guys that have really tried to push forward with new ideas in many different genres.

01:51:44.000 Not to mention approaches to the entire social system.

01:51:47.000 I watch a lot of things online, and when I sit in front of it, I do two things.

01:51:54.000 I absorb whatever someone's putting out, of course.

01:51:57.000 I listen to their message.

01:51:58.000 But I also, when I see something like what John Fresco was saying, I try to look at it as if I was someone who is In some sort of a position of power in government. 0.96

01:52:13.000 I was someone who was in some sort of a position of power, of political influence, running the banks, running the world, the IMF, whoever the fuck it is that pulls the strings for the world. 0.81

01:52:22.000 And I would say, how do I deal with this guy? 0.90

01:52:24.000 What do I... Is this guy a problem?

01:52:27.000 Is this guy ever going to be for real?

01:52:29.000 Is this ever going to be an issue that I have to deal with this guy and debate him as to how the world's resources should be used?

01:52:35.000 I mean, is this...

01:52:37.000 Is that a concern for a guy like that?

01:52:39.000 I mean, do you think that a guy like him or like you, do you guys have to deal with someone...

01:52:47.000 It depends on how far we go.

01:52:48.000 I think anyone in the...

01:52:50.000 You think that, right?

01:52:51.000 Do you think as far as moving forward, if you did buy the land and get the people to start living there, that's when you would have an issue.

01:52:57.000 Well, again, I don't advocate such a thing.

01:52:59.000 I don't advocate running from this system.

01:53:00.000 How big is your file, the FBI file they have on you?

01:53:03.000 If you had a guess. 0.97

01:53:04.000 I'd say it was fucking massive, right? 0.99

01:53:06.000 I don't know. 0.97

01:53:07.000 They want to know what you're capable of.

01:53:08.000 If you started running, you're very young right now.

01:53:10.000 Like, how old are you?

01:53:10.000 You're like 39?

01:53:11.000 No, 32. 32?

01:53:13.000 That's amazing.

01:53:15.000 You're 32. That's incredible.

01:53:16.000 So when you came out with the first Zeitgeist, how old were you?

01:53:19.000 Well, it was four years ago, so I was 28. Holy shit! 0.99

01:53:22.000 So you were in your 20s when you put that together. 1.00

01:53:24.000 That's very unusual, man.

01:53:26.000 You're a very unusual talker.

01:53:27.000 You know, if you're only 29, that's what you said?

01:53:30.000 32?

01:53:30.000 I'm 32 now, yeah.

01:53:32.000 See, that's very unusual, man.

01:53:34.000 So what do you have to be to be president?

01:53:36.000 36?

01:53:37.000 Something like that?

01:53:38.000 I'm not going to be president.

01:53:39.000 No, but for real, you say that.

01:53:42.000 But if someone come along...

01:53:43.000 See, I don't believe in the system, though.

01:53:44.000 I don't believe in the political system.

01:53:45.000 Right, what if the system changes a little bit? 1.00

01:53:46.000 Listen, man, you could run this shit. 0.97

01:53:48.000 Well, the next project is something called the Global Redesign Institute, which is going to be a nonprofit I'm founding, which is going to basically take artists and engineers, get them together to show how to redesign the infrastructure for particular regions in the most sustainable, non-monetary, most sustainable, practical, and efficient way possible. 0.99

01:54:05.000 So, for example, you could take Los Angeles.

01:54:07.000 You could show the public in conference a completely new redesign that didn't say have cars sitting at gas, excuse me, sitting at stoplights, you know, wasting gas.

01:54:15.000 Too much gas is wasted by the inefficiency of the stoplight system.

01:54:19.000 I mean, at least Europe has those roundabouts, semi-better.

01:54:21.000 But you could think of all sorts of creative means of up-and-over systems.

01:54:25.000 You know, a lot of cars, they stop and they shut off, actually, at red lights now.

01:54:28.000 That's good.

01:54:29.000 Well, that's smart, but that's certainly not normal.

01:54:30.000 When you let your foot off the gas, they start again.

01:54:32.000 It's a new technology.

01:54:33.000 No, I've seen the couple with battery stuff, yeah.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, it's engines as well.

01:54:38.000 Combustion engines.

01:54:39.000 We see how the concept of efficiency is vast.

01:54:42.000 Pressure transducers in streets that can power the lights.

01:54:45.000 You can have pressure transducers in these walls that can help power the lighting system in the building.

01:54:49.000 There's so many things that could be applied to society to make it so grandiose Efficient, that would rule out the market system by default, but it would solve so many problems of poverty and hunger and even conflict and petty crime, and most crimes are related to money.

01:55:03.000 You know, you could eliminate so many massive things, not a utopia, if you just applied the most efficient means and give people, you know, vertical farms on the coast of Los Angeles, running desalinization processes from the water, boom.

01:55:14.000 Organic vertical farms feed everyone locally.

01:55:17.000 Forget globalization. 0.92

01:55:18.000 Think about how much energy is wasted on globalization, moving shit back and forth, product made here in China, assembled over here in Uganda. 1.00

01:55:24.000 You know, it's nuts what we're doing. 0.97

01:55:26.000 When you take that standpoint, you begin to see how, yes, you can feed everybody on this planet.

01:55:30.000 You can have everyone have an access abundance, we call it on this planet.

01:55:33.000 It doesn't mean you have everything you want.

01:55:35.000 That's impossible.

01:55:36.000 The very idea of having everything possible, which is the catalyst notion.

01:55:39.000 Yeah, everybody can't be the salt number nine.

01:55:41.000 Well, everyone can't have a 50-room mansion or two jets parked on their front lawn.

01:55:44.000 That's actually an act of violence, if you think about it.

01:55:46.000 Social violence.

01:55:47.000 It is.

01:55:48.000 It's an act of violence to think that way.

01:55:50.000 Because the amount of deprivation you're imposing on somebody else by that acquisition of resources, which is so excessive, is, in fact, inhibiting other people's lives one way or another.

01:55:59.000 Wait a minute.

01:56:00.000 By having a jet?

01:56:02.000 By having anything that is of such excess, and you can be subjective on this, but anything that has no utility, it's of such excess and vanity, such as one guy living with his small family in a 40-room mansion and having two massive gas-guzzling jets parked in the front lawn just because he can.

01:56:19.000 Who does that?

01:56:20.000 Travolta.

01:56:21.000 Yeah, Travolta.

01:56:21.000 Does he do that?

01:56:22.000 Yep. 1.00

01:56:23.000 Well, listen, you gotta fly that dick in from all over the world. 1.00

01:56:26.000 You gotta make sure that you're willing to keep quiet. 0.99

01:56:29.000 Fox magic only goes so far.

01:56:31.000 I get that argument, though.

01:56:32.000 Someone says to me, well, I don't like your system, because what if I want to have four Ferraris as though that's a utility need?

01:56:38.000 It's a completely vanity orientation.

01:56:39.000 I say, well, what if I want to have Africa as my backyard? 1.00

01:56:41.000 Is that okay?

01:56:42.000 What if I want to block off Africa? 1.00

01:56:44.000 If you can buy Africa, if you have so much money that you could slowly buy up the entirety of Africa. 0.99

01:56:51.000 But you see the point.

01:56:52.000 So is this a competitive society?

01:56:55.000 Is there competition in this society?

01:56:57.000 The competition would be within one square of development, which is what real competition is.

01:57:00.000 It's about accelerating yourself, not against somebody else.

01:57:02.000 You know, I could completely see how people in like a sports In advanced society, in a sports context, they're not really thinking about beating somebody else.

01:57:10.000 They think about beating themselves.

01:57:11.000 They think about improving their own betterment.

01:57:14.000 It doesn't become something...

01:57:14.000 But in the process, somebody gets beaten up.

01:57:16.000 That is a lot of the motivation.

01:57:19.000 If you ever talk to anybody very competitive, it's not just about them performing at their best.

01:57:24.000 It's about winning.

01:57:25.000 Sure it is.

01:57:26.000 Sure it is.

01:57:26.000 But that's what the culture reinforced.

01:57:27.000 Everything is about winning in this country.

01:57:28.000 Culture definitely reinforces it, but it's also, I think, a piece of human nature is involved in that as well.

01:57:33.000 It's too universal.

01:57:34.000 It's not just this culture.

01:57:36.000 It's pretty much any culture where any sort of competition starts going.

01:57:39.000 You know, people want to win.

01:57:41.000 You know, it's a natural thing.

01:57:43.000 And I think it might be one of the reasons why it's driven innovation to such a radical tipping point.

01:57:49.000 If you talk to anyone who knew Steve Jobs or anybody who knows Bill Gates, one of the things they'll tell you is how Incredibly competitive these guys are.

01:57:56.000 Very competitive.

01:57:57.000 Sure.

01:57:57.000 I think it exists on a different level, though, and there's a lot of flexibility to it.

01:58:00.000 I'm not denying that it exists, but for me, I'm not competitive.

01:58:04.000 I have no interest in the...

01:58:05.000 Right, but you're also not the head of Microsoft.

01:58:08.000 Sure.

01:58:08.000 You're not putting out computers.

01:58:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:58:10.000 You've done an amazing thing creatively, but in order to push innovation, in order to push a company, to push success and achievement, I almost feel like you have to have some sort of a sense of...

01:58:20.000 Well, in a market system, invariably, you have to be competitive or you're gonna fail.

01:58:24.000 You're gonna fail financially, you're gonna fail on your status.

01:58:26.000 If you look at Steve Jobs' writings and his talks, the guy was a very creative individual.

01:58:30.000 You could tell that his money aside, he wasn't motivated by that incentive, for one.

01:58:34.000 And I think his interest to be competitive was really just to make the best he could for whatever demographic or concept or idea.

01:58:40.000 And, of course, to compete against Microsoft to make sure he maintains his market share.

01:58:44.000 So competition is inherent to the game that they're playing.

01:58:46.000 I guess that's my point.

01:58:47.000 Who knows, though?

01:58:49.000 Am I competitive with other people?

01:58:51.000 It depends on the context and also the conditioning within that context of what I'm doing.

01:58:57.000 If I have to survive and go into a fight with somebody, well that's an obvious competition.

01:59:01.000 That's something that my life might depend upon.

01:59:04.000 So obviously there's something ingrained there that means we respond that way.

01:59:08.000 But again, back to the later existence of the prefrontal cortex, We don't have to operate that way. 0.98

01:59:13.000 If someone goes into a bar and steps on my foot or insults my girlfriend, I don't have to beat the shit out of them. 0.99

01:59:17.000 I could say, huh, another dipshit, one of many, and walk away. 1.00

01:59:21.000 Or I could say, there's another victim of culture. 0.99

01:59:23.000 There's all sorts of responses that we could have that are not based on that reaction.

01:59:27.000 Yeah, there's certainly a lot of fights you can avoid.

01:59:29.000 I was having that conversation with someone today.

01:59:32.000 It's like, you know, avoid everything you can.

01:59:34.000 If you can get out of something, talk to someone and get out of it, get out of it. 0.96

01:59:37.000 What are you, crazy? 0.91

01:59:38.000 You want to get in fights with people? 1.00

01:59:40.000 That's amazing.

01:59:41.000 This guy interviewed James Gilligan for Zeitgeist Moving Forward.

01:59:44.000 He's one of the most acclaimed criminal psychologists.

01:59:49.000 He would talk about shame and the issues of shame and why people behave so violently.

01:59:53.000 He spent his whole life analyzing violent behavior.

01:59:56.000 Gave a great insight into serial killers and a lot of people that you think are natural outgrowths that are just typical of the system or typical of humanity, if you will.

02:00:04.000 And he found almost throughout the entire thing it was based on a form of humiliation and shame and what was so fascinating is that the majority of the instances of violence happened in the most mundane and arbitrary circumstances.

02:00:15.000 It wasn't life-threatening. 1.00

02:00:16.000 Someone would literally insult somebody else and they would get really upset by that and the shame that they would feel from being so small, from getting upset from someone saying, fuck you. 0.99

02:00:27.000 Cause that much more reinforcement of their anger to get into a physical brawl. 0.99

02:00:31.000 It's fascinating.

02:00:32.000 It's a fascinating subject.

02:00:33.000 I recommend anyone that's interested in violent behavior to look up James Gilligan.

02:00:36.000 Well, you know, I am a huge student of human nature, especially human contact and conflict and aggression and anger.

02:00:45.000 You trained as a fighter, right?

02:00:46.000 Yeah, I've done martial arts my whole life.

02:00:48.000 And I think that's a huge part of being a human being.

02:00:52.000 I think every man, if you're gonna have to deal with some form of aggression, In your life, you're going to ultimately worry or wonder what happens if this becomes physical.

02:01:01.000 And I think taking that off the table and learning martial arts, just as the animal, human being, is a great way to prevent anybody ever fighting.

02:01:09.000 I've never seen a fight at a dojo.

02:01:12.000 I've never seen a fight at a jujitsu gym.

02:01:15.000 I've never seen a fight between fighters.

02:01:19.000 You know, for the most part, most fighters, they can communicate better because they know that they don't want to fight.

02:01:26.000 Like, they don't have anything to prove.

02:01:28.000 They know exactly what they can do.

02:01:29.000 Look at the philosophy of Bruce Lee.

02:01:30.000 Yeah.

02:01:31.000 I mean, he was amazing.

02:01:32.000 I mean, there's been a few brawls, post-fight brawls, because people get emotional.

02:01:35.000 And there was a famous one on CBS a while back where Mayhem Miller and the Diaz brothers went at it on CBS. It was kind of ridiculous. 0.71

02:01:42.000 But, I mean...

02:01:45.000 For the most part, the amount of altercations that you're going to get if you're hanging around trained martial artists are way fewer.

02:01:53.000 Amongst themselves, they're very rare.

02:01:55.000 You put them amongst any other group of athletic, aggressive individuals, you're going to have much more conflict.

02:02:01.000 I think you take it off the table once you address it and you understand it. 0.99

02:02:05.000 It's like with a lot of people, the idea of kicking someone's ass, really a big part of it is they don't want their own ass kicked. 0.99

02:02:12.000 It's a fear. 0.99

02:02:13.000 It's like an overcompensation for an initial fear.

02:02:16.000 Totally. 1.00

02:02:18.000 We need to figure this fucking thing out, Peter Joseph, goddammit. 1.00

02:02:21.000 We're closing in on it. 1.00

02:02:23.000 We're closing in on some real interesting lessons.

02:02:27.000 Well, if you want, I can go back to your question, I guess, from like 20 minutes ago regarding what the system would be if I was the leader of it, which is a farce notion, but what would define...

02:02:36.000 The king, I said.

02:02:37.000 The king, yeah, the king.

02:02:38.000 What would define a new value system?

02:02:42.000 What would define a new sense of operation?

02:02:43.000 And if you track a fundamental train of thought, you arrive at a series of conclusions.

02:02:47.000 The first is you get rid of the property system as we know it.

02:02:50.000 You create an access system.

02:02:52.000 Best example is the zip car.

02:02:53.000 New York, amazing.

02:02:54.000 I love that.

02:02:55.000 Love the zip car.

02:02:56.000 Yeah, if people don't know, explain it.

02:02:58.000 Zipcar is just a rental car that's very easily accessible.

02:03:00.000 You have these special keys and they come and they'll drop the car off or they'll leave it at a place that's close to you.

02:03:07.000 It's all proximity oriented, computer generated.

02:03:09.000 And basically you can have a car, drive it and then return it and it's like a rental car except it's more convenient.

02:03:15.000 That's beautiful.

02:03:16.000 Most people's cars sit in driveways for the majority of their life.

02:03:18.000 That's a great idea.

02:03:19.000 Access system versus a system of property is the most efficient concept of environmental management you can have.

02:03:27.000 Think about it. 1.00

02:03:28.000 It's so stupid for everyone. 1.00

02:03:29.000 I have so much film equipment stuffed in my closets. 0.99

02:03:32.000 I would love just to rent it, but I can't do it because I have no value.

02:03:35.000 I have to be able to resell it.

02:03:36.000 I'd spend much more money renting this stuff over and over again than owning it.

02:03:39.000 So it goes against it in a monetary sense.

02:03:41.000 It's monetarily inefficient.

02:03:43.000 Yeah, the zip car concept is a great idea for someone who wants to live in a place like New York City where it's just prohibitively expensive to try to have a parking spot.

02:03:50.000 Or anywhere.

02:03:50.000 If you had a society designed, first of all, if you're in an inner city, you really want to get public transit working well because that's the best way to do it anyway.

02:03:57.000 There's so many failures.

02:03:59.000 My great-grandfather was an engineer and he had designed this system in Los Angeles years ago, many years ago, which was a trolley system that was above ground, wasn't susceptible to earthquakes.

02:04:11.000 It was brilliant.

02:04:12.000 I was like, why didn't they put this in back then?

02:04:13.000 It was like one of the first transit ideas for Los Angeles.

02:04:16.000 And even to this day, you have the subway, but that's nominal.

02:04:20.000 It doesn't really go anywhere.

02:04:22.000 And you have these cars just coming here.

02:04:23.000 I just want to blow my brains out in traffic. 1.00

02:04:25.000 So many fucking cars. 1.00

02:04:26.000 And you can't keep operating like this. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Eventually they're going to do what they do in Latin America. 0.98

02:04:29.000 They're going to have you driving by license plate number.

02:04:31.000 You know they do that in Latin America.

02:04:32.000 You can't even drive at a certain point in time.

02:04:35.000 I mean, what's going to happen when population continues to increase and we have these inefficient systems in place?

02:04:40.000 I've heard Mexico City is like that right now.

02:04:42.000 Oh, sure.

02:04:42.000 Mexico City apparently is just unbelievable.

02:04:44.000 It's always traffic.

02:04:45.000 Just traffic all day. 0.79

02:04:46.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

02:04:48.000 Even in China, they've been moving out the bikes or they've been trying to motivate consumerism in China to get people to buy cars.

02:04:54.000 Why?

02:04:55.000 Because it's good for GDP. Oh, great.

02:04:56.000 So they can create more air pollution and create more congestion on their streets as well.

02:05:00.000 Everything is antithesis.

02:05:01.000 It's the opposite.

02:05:02.000 It's an anti-economy.

02:05:03.000 It's ass backwards from top to bottom with the way we approach our economic structure.

02:05:07.000 So how do we fix it? 1.00

02:05:09.000 We have to wait for it to fall apart and then start our own shit. 0.97

02:05:12.000 And then we have to show, as I mentioned, the Global Redesign Institute, you have to show the world an alternative that they can understand to see how these problems can be resolved. 0.98

02:05:19.000 And then I advocate a parallel government system, as radical as that statement sounds.

02:05:24.000 A parallel government, so there's more than one government.

02:05:27.000 Well, you have the existing government in whatever region or in its holistic sense, as far as, say, the United Nations, if you will.

02:05:33.000 A parallel system would be a group of people that are not politicians.

02:05:36.000 They're not jockeying for public support and public opinion and manipulating the values and abortion this and gay rights this and gay marriage that.

02:05:43.000 Those become nominally obsolete because they are completely irrelevant culturally compared to what the problems we have.

02:05:48.000 The group of technicians and engineers and thinkers and creators that want to simply design the infrastructure of society correctly to meet the needs of the human population.

02:05:58.000 And with that train of thought, I guarantee you people will be chomping at the bit.

02:06:01.000 Volunteer to show what they can do to make society more efficient.

02:06:05.000 And as a side of the product of that, money goes out the window.

02:06:08.000 Because if you really detail the issue of money, you can't have an efficient system in the market model of economics.

02:06:14.000 Truly efficient.

02:06:16.000 It's impossible.

02:06:16.000 One final point, green economy.

02:06:18.000 Everyone wants to talk about green economy, right?

02:06:19.000 The green economy.

02:06:20.000 Books written on green economy.

02:06:22.000 Green economy is impossible also in a monetary system because of the inherent flaw of cost efficiency, meaning to cut corners to get the right product to make it so people can buy it.

02:06:34.000 The inherent flaws of cyclical consumption, the need to have constant turnover.

02:06:38.000 Our economic system is in one big paradox.

02:06:41.000 In the old economic theory it says there's scarcity, therefore we have to have the assumption of social Darwinism that some people can have the right to this through their equity and some cannot.

02:06:50.000 Never enough to go around is the assumption.

02:06:52.000 Simultaneously, it's based on infinite growth.

02:06:54.000 Simultaneously, it assumes that we have to constantly keep consuming so people can stay employed.

02:06:58.000 And with a growing population, what do you have to have?

02:07:00.000 More and more consumption to keep everyone that's populated employed.

02:07:05.000 It clearly hasn't been planned out.

02:07:07.000 There's no plan.

02:07:07.000 It's all been, which is understandable in our evolution.

02:07:10.000 This is weird. 0.99

02:07:11.000 We are monkey selves trying to figure out what the fuck's going on. 0.98

02:07:14.000 But luckily, we can begin to assess, we can see the light. 0.99

02:07:18.000 And now it's the big conundrum of how to get the fuck out of the system and it's something that actually works without seeing too much destruction, without seeing too much breakdown.

02:07:27.000 I don't want to see the system fail and the infrastructure completely be demolished. 0.70

02:07:30.000 I don't want to see terrorists come out of the woodwork.

02:07:32.000 I don't want to see...

02:07:33.000 We've got to get people on mushrooms.

02:07:35.000 Stat.

02:07:36.000 That's what's going on, man. 0.99

02:07:37.000 The only way we're going to fix these fucks is we've got to get them on mushrooms. 1.00

02:07:40.000 No way people are going to make some just radical leap of change. 0.98

02:07:43.000 They're going to recognize, just like they recognize right now in other parts of the country where there's a leadership vacuum.

02:07:49.000 You know, whether it's in Iraq right now. 0.99

02:07:51.000 Iraq's going through a fucking civil war. 0.99

02:07:53.000 Congratulations, America. 1.00

02:07:54.000 You just fucked up another spot in the world. 1.00

02:07:56.000 One of many civil wars. 0.99

02:07:57.000 A new dictator's gonna move into place. 1.00

02:07:58.000 Some new ruthless motherfucker who dominates the situation. 1.00

02:08:02.000 Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. 1.00

02:08:04.000 Right.

02:08:05.000 As long as they're in favor of Western geopolitics, they'll be safe.

02:08:08.000 Yeah, maybe, right? 0.98

02:08:10.000 What the fuck do we do, Peter Joseph? 0.99

02:08:12.000 Do we wait for the aliens, or are they not real? 0.99

02:08:14.000 God, I really wish aliens would come.

02:08:16.000 It would have set a great precedent, wouldn't it?

02:08:18.000 We'd actually be able to see another entity that actually was beyond us, that could actually give us the obvious awareness that we're one species and one family.

02:08:28.000 That's the Ronald Reagan speech.

02:08:30.000 Is it?

02:08:30.000 Do you remember Ronald Reagan's speech?

02:08:32.000 I don't remember that one.

02:08:32.000 He gave a speech during the middle of the Cold War saying how quickly we would unite as a race if we were faced with a threat from another world.

02:08:42.000 And everybody got crazy. 1.00

02:08:43.000 Like, damn, the fucking aliens are coming. 1.00

02:08:45.000 Ronald Reagan's just letting us know. 1.00

02:08:47.000 And then nothing happened.

02:08:48.000 I had a great idea for a film.

02:08:49.000 It was a bunch of hackers that go in.

02:08:51.000 I shouldn't give this away.

02:08:52.000 Don't give it away, bro.

02:08:54.000 Well, I'll give you the premise because it's fun.

02:08:55.000 Don't do it.

02:08:56.000 It'll be online.

02:08:56.000 They're going to steal it.

02:08:58.000 Well, I hope they steal it.

02:08:59.000 Okay, there you go.

02:09:00.000 Put that information out.

02:09:01.000 We have a whole group of hackers, right?

02:09:03.000 So they hack into the US Pentagon, they hack into the military systems that are interconnected around the world. 0.99

02:09:07.000 And they find gay porn. 0.98

02:09:08.000 And they plant a fake asteroid attack coming towards Earth. 0.99

02:09:14.000 So all the media now thinks there's a ginormous asteroid coming towards Earth that will destroy all of humanity.

02:09:19.000 What happens is the motivation of all the continents.

02:09:21.000 They come together.

02:09:22.000 They try to combine their resources.

02:09:24.000 They try to create some type of anti-asteroid weapon.

02:09:27.000 And then suddenly someone figures out that these are just a bunch of hackers and they're brought in chains.

02:09:31.000 And then they give this nice speech at the end of how this is their attempt to unify humanity before it was too late.

02:09:36.000 So it's like a Scooby-Doo episode?

02:09:39.000 Scooby-Doo if there were hackers trying to save humanity?

02:09:42.000 It'd be a good ploy.

02:09:43.000 I think the audience would like that.

02:09:45.000 Especially if the audience didn't know they were hackers at the beginning.

02:09:47.000 They thought it was all real until they came forward.

02:09:49.000 That could work.

02:09:50.000 Who do you think would have you to play the lead hackers? 0.86

02:09:52.000 Matthew Broderick.

02:09:53.000 Would you go with Kristen from Twilight?

02:09:55.000 What's her name?

02:09:56.000 Kristen Stewart?

02:09:56.000 She would be good.

02:09:57.000 Right here, these two.

02:09:58.000 She'd be one of your good stars.

02:09:59.000 Who's this?

02:10:00.000 Matthew Broderick in War Games.

02:10:02.000 Oh, War Games.

02:10:04.000 Of course.

02:10:05.000 You know what's amazing?

02:10:06.000 I like watching Alien, the original Alien, what they thought that the cockpit of a sophisticated computer setup would look like.

02:10:13.000 Right.

02:10:14.000 It was just so wonky.

02:10:15.000 No graphic user interface at all.

02:10:18.000 Right, right.

02:10:18.000 All just numbers and letters.

02:10:21.000 It's interesting, man.

02:10:22.000 It's interesting to see how people think about the future and what it ends up being.

02:10:25.000 Yeah, I mean, predicting space travel to other planets, no problem.

02:10:29.000 But figuring out a graphic user interface, it's just really never been...

02:10:33.000 Nobody ever wrapped their head around it yet.

02:10:35.000 It's so hard to predict what the future may hold, man.

02:10:37.000 Do you think that technology can save us?

02:10:39.000 Is it possible that there's going to be something that comes along that...

02:10:43.000 To create some sort of a connectivity with human beings that allows us to be more empathetic to the idea or more accepting to the idea that we are really truly one species.

02:10:56.000 That we are a super organism.

02:10:58.000 Well, in the words of Carl Sagan, when he was approaching the nuclear fallout possibility during the Cold War, he said, if there's anything positive that could come out of this, it would be the unification of humanity on the level of realizing that they are all at risk by the actions of just two seemingly small superpowers.

02:11:17.000 This is a pivotal thing.

02:11:18.000 So once the breakdown of society occurs, once people see how interconnected things are in the infrastructure of society, in the fact that computers run everything already, you know, it's very obvious the symbiosis, and I think it'll come to fruition.

02:11:30.000 If there's any pattern that's become more of a trend now, it's the oneness poetry.

02:11:35.000 I'd look at it very literal, but a lot of people like to take it into a metaphysical sense.

02:11:38.000 The unification of the species is not just the unification of us as a family in a gestural sense, even though you can go back, you know, to the mitochondrial eve many thousands of years ago.

02:11:48.000 We all have the same basic mitochondrial DNA construct.

02:11:50.000 We all come from that basic kernel one way or another, the entire species.

02:11:54.000 But the entire association of values in our minds is utterly symbiotic.

02:11:58.000 It's the group mind.

02:11:59.000 It's a collective consciousness, if you want to use that old term.

02:12:01.000 I use the group mind.

02:12:02.000 It's a little more practical.

02:12:04.000 Everything you think, everything I think, has been communicated to us one way or another, filtered through a basic genetic pre-program.

02:12:11.000 Combined with all sorts of other data coming from other people.

02:12:13.000 So, no one originates anything.

02:12:15.000 No one thinks in any kind of novel sense.

02:12:18.000 It's all an illusion.

02:12:19.000 And if there's anything that could show the unification of the species on that level as far as what we think we are, we can only be everything because every construct of thought is determined by what everyone else is thinking.

02:12:30.000 Feeding into us through information.

02:12:32.000 Whether it's your parents, whether it's your educational system.

02:12:35.000 So, there's no way to rationalize separation, you know what I mean?

02:12:39.000 And on a molecular quantum field level, if you want to jump to that route, it's all a big sea of molecules moving around.

02:12:44.000 This is all a big illusion.

02:12:45.000 I think we all know that by now.

02:12:46.000 Right.

02:12:46.000 Well, if you get to that, how much do you think that you can manipulate your environment with thinking?

02:12:51.000 How much do you think that you can manipulate?

02:12:52.000 Well, the beauty of technology as an extension of ourselves is the ultimate tool.

02:12:56.000 I mean, thinking really is a technological idea.

02:12:59.000 Logic and reason, which came to us just a couple thousand years ago with Aristotle.

02:13:02.000 We finally figured out how to think, even though most of the planet still doesn't do that.

02:13:07.000 These tools will lead to something, and if the values are right, if we see the rationale, if we see the reason, if we see what it means to relate to the environment, which is very, very simple, if we see the benefit of automation as an isolated example, we naturally adapt and adjust.

02:13:23.000 And what's happened now, though, I mean, frankly, there isn't a crisis.

02:13:26.000 There's only the crisis of the way we think.

02:13:28.000 There's no reason you couldn't turn all of this around tomorrow if you wanted it to.

02:13:32.000 Or somebody makes a Terminator.

02:13:34.000 Well, the old fantasy takeover by machines, I'm certainly amused by, but we're already taken over by machines.

02:13:44.000 I know, but I mean, what if it's like literal?

02:13:46.000 You don't think so?

02:13:48.000 There's nothing in there that I could see programming-wise that would allow for such a thing.

02:13:52.000 The ultimate expression of that was that hideous film iRobot.

02:13:55.000 At the very end, the computer goes, we have to exterminate all of humanity because they are a threat to the planet.

02:14:00.000 So the logical calculation that humanity can no longer exist.

02:14:03.000 That's the ultimate sci-fi fantasy of artificial intelligence.

02:14:07.000 Well, that wasn't necessary, but that's a big-budget Will Smith film, and they've got to do what they've got to do.

02:14:10.000 Of course.

02:14:11.000 But as an idea of...

02:14:12.000 But that catered to the long-standing assumptions of artificial intelligence and automation.

02:14:17.000 And the technological singularity.

02:14:19.000 Sure.

02:14:20.000 And as Kurzweil points out, we don't really know what will happen with a technological singularity.

02:14:24.000 But once technology becomes sentient and has the ability to move and manipulate things, who knows?

02:14:29.000 Well, if they're extensions of us, they become our tools.

02:14:32.000 Who's to say we want to program them to kill anything?

02:14:34.000 Says who? 0.65

02:14:35.000 Says us.

02:14:36.000 That's what we were talking about earlier about failed symbiotes.

02:14:38.000 You know, the parasitic relationship between, I mean, the symbiotic right now relationship between human beings and computers.

02:14:45.000 It's very similar to if you look at like other organisms that have, you know, lampreys on sharks or whatever.

02:14:51.000 I mean, we're almost inseparable.

02:14:53.000 We're a part of the same sort of ecosystem now.

02:14:54.000 We need the lights to stay on.

02:14:56.000 We need the refrigerator to stay cold so that we can preserve the meat better.

02:15:00.000 I mean, we have it sort of set out so we're almost completely intertwined.

02:15:04.000 With technology.

02:15:05.000 That's inevitable.

02:15:06.000 And then we give birth to the live one. 0.57

02:15:08.000 We give birth to technology where it's sentient, where it can figure shit out on its own, and it becomes another life form.

02:15:13.000 It becomes a life form, much like a biological, carbon-based life form, just completely different and unexpected and something we didn't see coming.

02:15:22.000 It's all very possible. 0.96

02:15:23.000 Do you ever look at broken computers and shit? 0.99

02:15:26.000 Those are bodies. 1.00

02:15:27.000 Those are dead bodies. 1.00

02:15:28.000 It's fucking dinosaurs, but they're happening really quickly. 1.00

02:15:30.000 At this stage of our evolution, either we utilize technology to help us and hope for the best, or we're going to perish anyway. 0.99

02:15:37.000 So if it happens to be we become enslaved by a bunch of machines in the end, well, so be it.

02:15:41.000 That must be a natural evolution.

02:15:43.000 So you're cool with that?

02:15:44.000 Given what's at stake today, I'm cool with that.

02:15:47.000 Given what we have to deal with, I'm perfectly happy to be a robot slave.

02:15:51.000 That is now going to be on the internet.

02:15:52.000 Peter Joseph, cool with robots taking over.

02:15:56.000 I'm cool with that.

02:15:57.000 This is the Zeitgeist Movement's primary premise.

02:16:00.000 We're cool with robots taking over.

02:16:02.000 I will say this.

02:16:03.000 The phallus... 0.96

02:16:06.000 Problem of human psychology is so vast now that I can only dream of the cold quality of calculation coming forward to save us because we've fucked up just about everything so far. 0.91

02:16:18.000 We are way beyond our sense of self-control.

02:16:22.000 That's what calculating society is.

02:16:24.000 That's what our brain does.

02:16:24.000 It's a calculation process and it's too bad we're so clouded with these us and them issues and all these things that are...

02:16:32.000 Monkey issues.

02:16:32.000 Evolutionary baggage, exactly.

02:16:35.000 And again, it's easy to see an amazing, beautiful society emerge if we simply wanted to construct one correctly because we have that power now.

02:16:43.000 And we have mushrooms.

02:16:45.000 Do a barrel roll!

02:16:46.000 That's important.

02:16:47.000 That's an important part of the equation.

02:16:49.000 I don't think you're going to fix people without some sort of a large-scale psychedelic experiment.

02:16:53.000 I did see an evolution special that alluded to that old Bill Hicks joke, which maybe came true, that mushrooms could have been that link that pushed forward the human brain.

02:17:02.000 Yeah, that's McKenna's theory, the stoned ape theory.

02:17:05.000 Exactly.

02:17:05.000 That's what you probably saw.

02:17:06.000 Yeah, he said that over a period of...

02:17:08.000 This was in a more academic circle, too, though.

02:17:09.000 It was actually more...

02:17:10.000 It wasn't just McKenna.

02:17:11.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of scientists that have speculated it because, you know, the incredible powers of psychedelic plants, I mean, as far as like powers of experience, I mean, if you don't know, if you never had it, there's a lot of people ignorant to the experience.

02:17:25.000 Have you done mushrooms before?

02:17:26.000 I have.

02:17:27.000 You just wink if you're worried about your PR. Everyone did everything in high school and college, so.

02:17:32.000 Yeah.

02:17:33.000 If you've had a real big experience, a big trip, you realize how humbling it is, first of all, just to know that that's possible.

02:17:42.000 That that's even an experience that a person can have and that they're not dying from it either.

02:17:46.000 I know we have a lot of friends that have gone through crazy psychedelic trips and everyone's okay.

02:17:51.000 But the experience itself to someone who's uninitiated is almost...

02:17:59.000 It's impossible to imagine.

02:18:01.000 Like, you can't imagine that it's really possible that this could exist, and that this is not discussed every day on CBS Evening News, that someone's not saying, listen, man, you need to get on mushrooms, okay?

02:18:11.000 You need to find a fucking place where you're comfortable, and you need someone to get you the good shit, and you need to go there with clear intent, and you need to do yoga, and you need to find yourself, because life can be way better.

02:18:21.000 This recent John Hopkins study where they talked about one dose, they had one large dose of psilocybin and they had measurable increases in their happiness and their personality over a period of like 20 years. 0.99

02:18:32.000 One experience just reset their whole life.

02:18:36.000 So can we add mushrooms to the Zeitgeist movement? 0.99

02:18:41.000 I think together in harmony we can work this shit out. 0.99

02:18:44.000 And fox magic. 1.00

02:18:46.000 We need fox magic.

02:18:47.000 That was so weird, by the way.

02:18:48.000 I'm still trying to figure out...

02:18:50.000 Michael Rupert has this whole fox magic thing where he believes in fox magic.

02:18:53.000 Well, let's be real honest. 1.00

02:18:55.000 He was high as fuck. 0.99

02:18:56.000 I'm not familiar with him. 1.00

02:18:57.000 And if you get that guy sober, he probably would have never said that he knows fox magic.

02:19:02.000 He's an interesting cat, but you have to be that guy.

02:19:06.000 He's out there, man.

02:19:09.000 He's not following any of the status quo.

02:19:11.000 That guy's out there trying to expose corruption in the government at every step of the way.

02:19:16.000 You have to be a little... 0.73

02:19:20.000 I don't know, a loony?

02:19:21.000 He has a hero quality to him.

02:19:22.000 He's out there.

02:19:23.000 He's doing it. 1.00

02:19:24.000 You can't really fuck with him. 0.99

02:19:25.000 He's a good guy, too. 0.99

02:19:26.000 You can tell he's a good guy.

02:19:28.000 He's a good guy when you talk to him. 0.97

02:19:29.000 He's not an asshole. 0.95

02:19:30.000 He's out there doing the right thing. 0.96

02:19:32.000 You need people like that.

02:19:34.000 Right, Brian?

02:19:35.000 That's right. 1.00

02:19:36.000 Fox Magic, bitches. 1.00

02:19:37.000 Fox Magic 2012. Fox Magic t-shirts. 0.98

02:19:40.000 Send them out there.

02:19:41.000 And then Peter Joseph, in quotes, I'm cool with the robots taking over.

02:19:45.000 LAUGHTER That's how we're gonna make you some money, man.

02:19:48.000 We're gonna market you, alright?

02:19:51.000 This is a very cool conversation.

02:19:52.000 Is there anything else you want to say?

02:19:53.000 Is there anything that people need to know about? 1.00

02:19:56.000 Well, shit. 0.99

02:19:57.000 There's tons of things I could say, tons of things. 0.99

02:20:00.000 I mean, we got events coming up.

02:20:01.000 I'm going to be in New York, if anyone's in New York, at the end of this month.

02:20:04.000 Columbia.

02:20:05.000 If anybody wants to hook up, go for some drinks.

02:20:08.000 Yeah.

02:20:09.000 What is the best way to find out information?

02:20:13.000 What is your number one website?

02:20:14.000 I know it's TZ Movement on Twitter.

02:20:21.000 That's for the movement.

02:20:22.000 What is the best way to be informed?

02:20:24.000 What website can people go to?

02:20:26.000 The main movement site is just simply thezeitgeistmovement.com, and then the movie site is zeitgeistmovie.com, and then you can link to all the other sub-sites for the films.

02:20:33.000 And there's a bunch of scam sites that, like, they set...

02:20:37.000 The Zeitgeist film series has been subject to more manipulation and scam and resellers.

02:20:42.000 I've been screwed over so extensively by...

02:20:45.000 Attempting to be altruistic with the distribution of that film.

02:20:49.000 People buy things from me, resell it, profit all over the place.

02:20:51.000 I just now stopped doing a lot of the things I used to do after four years because I'm running out of money.

02:20:56.000 I can barely see myself making this new film.

02:20:58.000 It's going to be quite the difficult venture.

02:21:02.000 The Zeitgeist has attracted just about everything.

02:21:05.000 Whether it's people that want to abuse it, people that hate me, people that like it.

02:21:10.000 There's no more strange phenomenon I've come across recently than the Zeitgeist phenomenon as far as a cultural issue.

02:21:16.000 It's really strange and interesting.

02:21:17.000 I would imagine there must be a pretty big life change to go from just being a classical musician.

02:21:22.000 Right.

02:21:23.000 To all of a sudden at the head of some crazy movement where you're being critiqued and criticized for every single word that comes out of your mouth.

02:21:30.000 Probably critiqued. 1.00

02:21:31.000 People are going to be mad at you for even doing this stupid show. 1.00

02:21:34.000 This ridiculous show where we make fun of everything. 1.00

02:21:36.000 I think it's important people realize that we're all just people and no one should take any of them.

02:21:41.000 Anyone that seriously.

02:21:43.000 I have a great deal of humor with all of this.

02:21:46.000 I have the Carlin level, I call it, sitting on the sideline. 0.99

02:21:50.000 And that's something I don't readily admit, but the Carlin level, George Carlin, is where you just don't give a shit anymore. 0.98

02:21:56.000 And as much as I push forward with all of this, there's a side of me that says, you know what? 0.99

02:21:59.000 It is what it is.

02:22:01.000 If my self, if my posture, excuse me, if I become just deeply unhappy and get tired of what I'm doing, then I'm gone.

02:22:09.000 And it is what it is.

02:22:10.000 I don't owe anybody anything.

02:22:12.000 If people out there support such ideas, they need to become their own leaders and really push this forward, learn, educate.

02:22:18.000 And do the same process that I've been doing.

02:22:21.000 There's nothing special here.

02:22:22.000 So if there's anything I would leave to the audience that actually is an activist bone, it's that don't follow anybody.

02:22:27.000 You've got to get out there and do it because a lot of these people that are trying to lead, if you will, are not going to be around forever. 0.87

02:22:32.000 I could hit the Carlin level and say, fuck it, evolutionary cul-de-sac, goodbye humanity, and I could go live on the moon somewhere after I do something to fly there. 0.79

02:22:42.000 Or at the compound outside Sonoma. 1.00

02:22:45.000 At the Zeitgeist compound. 0.98

02:22:47.000 Where they're growing hippie pussy on trees. 1.00

02:22:50.000 Well, thank you very much, man. 0.98

02:22:52.000 It was a very fun conversation.

02:22:53.000 Thank you.

02:22:54.000 I appreciate it.

02:22:54.000 Fascinating.

02:22:56.000 Again, all the information.

02:22:58.000 The Zeitgeist Movement.

02:22:59.000 The website is, one more time?

02:23:01.000 Thezeitgeistmovement.com.

02:23:02.000 And TZ Movement on Twitter.

02:23:05.000 And you also have a Facebook page.

02:23:08.000 What is the Facebook page?

02:23:09.000 It's just the Zeitgeist Movement Official on Facebook if you search that one.

02:23:13.000 The Zeitgeist Movement Official.

02:23:15.000 All right.

02:23:15.000 Thank you very much.

02:23:16.000 Thank you to the Fleshlight for Chicago.

02:23:21.000 January 27th, right?

02:23:23.000 Is that the next date?

02:23:24.000 Yeah.

02:23:24.000 Yeah, that's the Chicago Theater.

02:23:26.000 There's still some tickets left.

02:23:28.000 It's a huge place.

02:23:30.000 It's going to be me, Joey Diaz, and... 0.98

02:23:32.000 Duncan Trussell, and it should be a fucking blast.

02:23:34.000 That's January 27th, and I'm looking forward to that, because that's the night after, or the night before, rather, the UFC fights on Fox. 0.94

02:23:42.000 Is the show sold out tonight?

02:23:44.000 The show sold out tonight, but a friend of ours died in a car accident and was in a...

02:23:52.000 The other guy's in the hospital still.

02:23:55.000 A lot of people heard about it.

02:23:57.000 He's a stand-up comedian.

02:23:58.000 His name is?

02:23:59.000 Josh Adam Meyers.

02:24:00.000 And there's a website, Donate for Josh.

02:24:04.000 Angelo Bowers is the one that died.

02:24:06.000 But yeah, there's a website set up that you can help Josh because he's going to be in debt for the rest of his life because of all these.

02:24:12.000 I mean, he's alive, thank God.

02:24:15.000 But it's DonateForJosh.com if you can spare anything.

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02:25:12.000 All of you. 1.00

02:25:12.000 We'll see you tonight on the Icehouse Chronicles. 1.00

02:25:14.000 Yeah, we'll see you tonight on the Icehouse Chronicles.

02:25:15.000 That's right, on the Death Squad label.

02:25:17.000 It'll be on this Ustream.

02:25:18.000 If you're watching on Ustream, the same one on the Joe Rogan Ustream channel. 0.99

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02:25:28.000 All right! 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 06, 2012

Joe Rogan Experience #173 - Peter Joseph

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