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00:02:58.000But there's a bunch of different cool products that we have out now.
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00:03:34.000But it's based on the cordyceps mushroom, which is a mushroom that actually enhances your body's ability to process oxygen.
00:03:41.000And people like in higher climates and animals in higher climates eat it and they actually get energy.
00:03:46.000And that's how they figured out that this stuff works.
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00:06:47.000Peter Joseph, you don't know, is the creator of Zeitgeist, the original movie, and then all these follow-up movies, and now it's actually, you know, you refer to it as a movement.
00:06:57.000And that's not cocky in any way, shape, or form.
00:08:19.000Well, as much as I could, given the time that I had.
00:08:22.000In my studio in Culver City, I have a whole section of my little house blocked off for Whenever I can pursue my old hobby again, which seems to be less and less, unfortunately.
00:08:32.000Can people listen to some of your stuff online?
00:08:34.000Do you have a CD? You know, I'm working on compiling.
00:08:36.000I've been hesitant to do that because my identity's been so bizarre.
00:08:39.000As a filmmaker, which I never intended to be, actually.
00:08:42.000I think I sent you the link of the first Zeitgeist performance, which was a performance.
00:08:46.000It wasn't intended to be a documentary in the sense, formalically, as you would traditionally assume.
00:09:38.000I didn't really think about approaching a demographic.
00:09:41.000And when it went online on Google Video, before YouTube, this is when Google Video was the only internet video site that actually had full-length stuff.
00:09:49.000And very rarely you'd hear about feature-length films getting there.
00:09:52.000And I just happened to hit that paradigm right then And it went crazy viral, and the lawsuits were threatened, and everyone thought it was some big documentary, big production.
00:10:01.000They had no idea the background of it.
00:10:02.000What kind of lawsuits were threatened?
00:11:07.000And then Addendum came out in 2008, and that was...
00:11:11.000That was picked up by the Art of His Film Festival, shown here at the Egyptian Theater.
00:11:14.000That had a huge response, even larger in a certain sense, because it was the first time it had been publicly displayed, this whole phenomenon.
00:11:21.000And then that carried over into the Zeitgeist Movement, which was basically the thought experiment I had.
00:11:26.000I was like, okay, we have these film series.
00:11:27.000We have plenty of people like Michael Moore making films.
00:11:29.000Do they really support change, though?
00:11:31.000Are they really doing anything to actually initiate a community effort to get something going?
00:11:36.000And at that point in time, I had no idea what that would actually be.
00:11:40.000I figured, well, it says it in the movie.
00:11:42.000I don't know if you remember the Zeitgeist Addendum.
00:12:33.000It was beautiful, actually, just getting all this communication from different demographics.
00:12:37.000I mean, the whole Zeitgeist spectrum, the audience, if you will, for not just the films, but for the movement, but paying attention to these ideas is totally vast.
00:12:44.000I've met kids that are like 10 years old with a little Zeitgeist moving t-shirt on up to 80-year-old men that are looking for something different.
00:13:08.000Is it just you breaking down how this got started or is it you talking about your perspective?
00:13:13.000Well, usually it's lectures broken into three, or at least now the lecture's broken into three.
00:13:18.000Typical lectures broken into the first part being what defines awareness and logic and reason, how we think about information, we're dismissing the messenger, look at logically X, Y's and Z's, forget the subjects, it's all about the train of thought, that the process of thought is irrespective of personality.
00:13:35.000There's a huge conflict in society between logic and psychology, and they're very, very different, and I can expand on that as we go.
00:13:42.000Second section is the criticism of the current socio-economic platform, which I consider to be one massive corruption.
00:13:47.000We talk about corruption, you know, a hard drive corrupts, it's messed up, or a criminal pulls out a gun, robs a convenience store.
00:13:52.000It's a corruption of the system, the socio-economic system, legal system.
00:13:56.000To me, the entire socio-economic system, namely economic, Not only politics, politics is an outgrowth, but I won't jump on that one, is one massive corruption of what it means to live on this planet, what it means to perfect good public health.
00:14:14.000That's massive in most of the criticisms and presentations I do.
00:14:17.000Then there's the solution, which supports a train of thought, which has many different names as far as a new social system, which I don't even really address anymore.
00:14:24.000I just like to go for the train of thought.
00:14:26.000And what it comes down to is you have to have a system that's based on planetary resource management.
00:14:46.000And you think about it in the broadest symbiotic sense.
00:14:48.000One of the great psychological revelations or intellectual revelations that we've had as species is that...
00:14:54.000Is that we've been living in these divisive kind of tribalistic concepts and we assume normality with it because of how long they persisted.
00:15:00.000But we tend to find that what we find now as far as information is concerned is that we live in a global system.
00:15:05.000We live in a symbiosis that stretches outward almost to infinity.
00:15:09.000So the very idea of separation becomes literally, tangibly unapplicable to the way we approach our life, the way we approach knowledge, the way we approach society.
00:15:19.000The way we approach economics, which is the defining feature of our existence, how we get what we need, how we relate, of course, the renewable elements, the regeneration, if you will, the omni-regeneration, in the words of Buckminster Fuller, of everything, how do we respect that?
00:15:34.000And the ultimate realization is that we have to begin to unify all concepts.
00:15:58.000And that's a unique phenomenon that's occurring.
00:16:00.000And you can stretch that train of thought backwards and forwards.
00:16:03.000In my approach, as far as simplicity, the economic system has to be unified and has to have a very simple respect of what actually supports us.
00:16:25.000How does it transition from one monetary system that makes no sense, where there's massive amounts of corruption and people with huge amounts of resources that they've probably gotten by what would be considered immoral, although legal, ways?
00:17:45.000And that absolutely transmits from parent to children, you know, when they're not paying attention to their kids or when they're bad parenting or, you know, whatever they have.
00:19:33.000It's always been structurally classed.
00:19:36.000There's a structural classism built into this system.
00:19:38.000Occupy has only been the first to really acknowledge that on the global scale, An issue that's been there from the very beginning because every element of this system supports that and it's getting worse.
00:19:51.000There's more money moving amongst the upper five percentile, influencing GDP so much money that it makes the lower percentiles movements of money irrelevant.
00:20:00.000So from a firmly economic standpoint, the lower classes are literally irrelevant.
00:20:05.000To the function of the economy, therefore to the powers that be, if you will, to the corporate establishment, and to the taxation, fueling, and big business that fuels all government.
00:20:15.000And this is all because the system has been manipulated?
00:20:17.000No, this is because the system is intrinsically flawed based on the need for differential advantage and an old form of tribalism, psychological tribalism that you have to gain advantage over others, a socially Darwinistic view.
00:20:30.000And what's unique, even though I hold that to be self-evident and true to the human condition, if we were both existing in extreme scarcity and we had nothing to eat, we'd end up fighting each other most likely to survive.
00:20:43.000What's happened now, though, is that the...
00:20:45.000I'm jumping ahead here, but follow me, is that the entire...
00:20:49.000The infrastructure of society, the human population so large, their industry has become so big.
00:20:54.000We have Fukushima meltdown, we have the nuclear weapons, we have nano weapons that are on the horizon.
00:21:01.000What we have now is we can't have the risk of this type of mentality Being the forefront of our psychology.
00:21:08.000We can't have the self-betterment of the individual to be the forefront of us because it goes against our long-term evolutionary fitness, which means the entire species is at risk.
00:21:16.000So to put it in a sentence, the self-interest that tends to dominate now, that really is the psychological fuel of all the motivations that you see.
00:21:30.000All of that that you see is going to fuck us all up until we begin to realize that we can't operate this way because it's going to destroy us.
00:22:00.000So the greater our technology, the greater our ability, the greater vulnerability we have, and the more clear it becomes how we have to unify and make our self-interest become social interest if we intend to survive as a species.
00:22:14.000And this is the great paradigm shift of all human thought.
00:22:17.000So what do you do with all the weapons?
00:22:20.000Well, you get rid of them, dismantle them, and hope you can regurgitate them into something effective.
00:22:25.000Imagine if we were to take over the Pentagon and use their equipment for monitoring the Earth's resources, use the amazing surveillance equipment to actually have a productive use.
00:22:33.000It would be incredible what we could do.
00:22:35.000I think everything you say is brilliant, and I agree with it 100%.
00:22:39.000But when I think about it being implemented in today's society, I think of the human beings that exist right now and how they've been running their lives based on greed, real greed.
00:22:50.000Based on real ignorance, based on violence, you're going to get these people and everybody's going to go hold hands and sing Kumbaya together.
00:23:00.000I feel like there has to be something.
00:23:02.000There has to be some sort of event that unites people.
00:23:06.000There's not going to be a stopping of the separation of rich and poor.
00:23:09.000The rich are only going to get richer and smaller and smaller.
00:23:11.000And if you want to see anger, just wait.
00:23:15.000We haven't even touched the anger stage, as it were.
00:23:17.000And that is what's going to start the initial transition into something new.
00:23:22.000And the point of the movement really is not to try and initiate some step-by-step logical transition to assume human beings are rational and they're just going to say, oh, that sounds better, that sounds more efficient.
00:23:31.000No, that's not the way the human being works at all, at least at this stage.
00:23:36.000The zeitgeist movement's on the sidelines, as far as I'm concerned, trying to spread information about what a new social system may be, exposing the roots of this system, and as this tipping point occurs, Those that are on the outs will slowly become on the in, and you'll have a very powerful, large, complicated revolution that will happen one way or another.
00:24:53.000But until you put down some fundamental logical elements that people can grab, expand, and get into the public consciousness, into the zeitgeist, we're doomed until that happens.
00:25:02.000It's just going to be one iteration of rogue, you know.
00:25:06.000The idea would be amazing to have an entire culture filled with cool people and everybody works together.
00:25:12.000Like, boy, you feel like, could that work?
00:25:37.000Incentive has been a large farce of the market system to assume.
00:25:40.000If we're doing mechanical stuff, yeah, if I'm going to be on a conveyor line, which could easily be automated now, and be on a subway line, it always blows my mind when I walk into a subway restaurant and there's this conveyor belt of people that you could automate in five seconds if you wanted to.
00:25:54.000Yeah, you have to pay people for that.
00:25:56.000But when it comes to creativity, very few are actually motivated by money, and money actually inhibits.
00:26:00.000There's large studies that are done by a man named Daniel Pink called Drive.
00:26:03.000I recommend that book to anyone that's interested.
00:26:04.000I would think that, yeah, if you were just concentrating on money, you would lose part of your mental resources that you could have concentrated on creativity.
00:27:17.000I watch those numbers scroll through the bottom of the screen and there's some fucking dude with his classical attire, his traditional attire that he's wearing with his tie and he's moving around and pointing to all these different stocks that are going up and down.
00:27:30.000And you know it's all based on confidence.
00:28:26.000It's not gambling in any kind of sense like that.
00:28:28.000But as an institution, the stock market and the whole concept of these representations of equity and finance and how much influence it has in society, and of course the derivatives blow out and everything else that we've seen, it's the most cancerous thing on the face of the earth.
00:28:44.000The stock market is just unbelievable.
00:28:48.000It's the ultimate manifestation of the worst concept of having no social contribution and invariably making more money than any other sector of the population.
00:28:57.000Even though you create nothing, you do nothing.
00:28:59.000It's just like Wall Street and Michael Douglas.
00:29:46.000Did technology and the concept of being able to control money and all the different things that we have to deal with as variables didn't exist when our minds were created?
00:29:55.000Our DNA is essentially the same as it was 10,000 years ago.
00:29:58.000Our DNA is essentially set up for the natural world.
00:30:02.000And then all of a sudden we've shoved it into this weird new dimension where we're dealing with an incredible amount of variables.
00:30:08.000You're dealing with all kinds of craziness.
00:30:10.000I mean, it's just, I don't know if the mind is set up to deal with the world that we've created, which is why it's like a kid at the helm of a car that doesn't know how to drive and he's stomping on the fucking gas, but he's too small to look over the dashboard.
00:30:25.000So he doesn't even know where the fuck he's going.
00:30:27.000He's trying to figure this thing out as he goes along.
00:30:30.000It's like all of a sudden this little kid has a car.
00:30:50.000We've created nuclear fucking bombs and cell phones and video that you can get on a little screen in your pocket and the ability to do things that we would have never thought possible just 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 years ago.
00:31:22.000But the disorder that's in place in society is what concerns me, which is what you alluded to at the beginning.
00:31:29.000You have this huge disorder based on the system that's Basically a self-destructive system.
00:31:34.000It's not respecting any general variables of resource management.
00:31:36.000It's not respecting, you know, I saw a recent stat that said, oh, China has less unemployment than America because their lax EPA, if you were, whatever they have in China, their lax environmental issues.
00:31:47.000Like, we should be more like China and reduce our environmental things.
00:31:50.000And they have, like, huge smog things.
00:32:08.000Because we still recognize ourselves as individuals and we still haven't realized that we are a part of a giant superorganism that is the human race, so because people are acting as individuals and then they can do so as a corporation and do so without guilt, they act as individuals all going towards one goal but under the guise that the company is doing it in the best interest of business and then they're able to get away with a lot of shit that you just can't get away with in a one-on-one basis.
00:32:35.000You know, instead of thinking of human beings as a whole and putting that at the front of your ethic, that's like not even into consideration.
00:33:09.000That's what your success is defined by.
00:33:11.000That everyone can blindly look the other way with how much destruction is occurring in the world.
00:33:15.000They can look the other way with the wars and the cancers and just every natural phenomenon that we've come to disintegrate, all the trash that's surrounding the planet right now.
00:33:24.000I've likened the war to the way people react if you know that someone in their family has been molesting someone.
00:33:33.000It's almost like they don't want to know, they're looking away, they don't want to think about it, they don't want to do it that way.
00:33:40.000If it was right next door, we'd be thinking about it every fucking day.
00:33:43.000The fact that people can just calmly accept the fact that there's no, for no reason whatsoever that you could ever argue, we have thousands of dudes with guns in some other part of the world.
00:33:53.000Yeah, and it seems normal, doesn't it?
00:33:55.000It seems normal, because it's a part of life.
00:33:57.000If people are born into this normality, they don't know any better.
00:34:07.000But it's a group of goddamn individuals with their own personal interests at hand, and their personal interests will extend to killing people and profiting off of it.
00:34:21.000I'm mad as hell or I'm not going to take it anymore.
00:34:24.000Remember when they got frustrated at the very end because they were losing money with the character and they sit around and they go, well, we could kill him.
00:34:30.000And you think as the audience member that they're just joking.
00:34:33.000You think someone in the room is going to go, yeah, whatever.
00:34:35.000But then they're like, well, if we do it, we have to be very careful.
00:36:39.000Did you hear this fucking dummy Newt Gingrich, this would-be king, fat-headed clown?
00:36:44.000This guy actually said that he believed that the founding fathers would be much more aggressive in the way they would prosecute people for marijuana.
00:36:52.000And that they would do it probably much more violently.
00:36:55.000Even though they were growing it themselves?
00:36:56.000Not only were they growing it themselves, it says in George Washington's fucking diaries that he was separating the male from the female plant.
00:37:05.000It's very clear that he says he was separating the male from the female plant.
00:37:09.000For people who don't know, when you're growing marijuana, you've got to separate the male from the female plant so that the female grows the buds and that they become psychedelic.
00:37:17.000That's how you make it so you get high from it.
00:39:21.000It's sad to me to see how you can't watch the news without them covering this as though it's relevant or important to anything.
00:39:27.000As though any decision processes that these people will have the power to take hold of will actually accomplish anything when it's obvious from our last great hope, Obama, that big business isn't going anywhere.
00:39:42.000Even Ron Paul, if he was magically to be swept in with bulletproof vests on and everything else, you'll see some dramatic shifts in his policy the moment he comes in because he knows what's actually possible in that environment before the shitstorm hits him from all sides.
00:40:00.000All the examples of what they did to Ralph Nader with the prostitution thing.
00:40:07.000It was basically a car company set up Ralph Nader in a hotel room with a prostitute and then documented it because he was doing all this publicity against this car company how unsafe they're cutting costs on their car production.
00:40:19.000He found out very discreetly how bad it was.
00:40:22.000People were dying and they tried to set him up and to make him look bad with this prostitute.
00:41:13.000They can be positive towards you or they can be hired to completely blacklist you and make you look like shit.
00:41:17.000I know that from my own experience of the weird things that have happened to me, which I wonder where the roots of some of these things are.
00:41:24.000People that blog in anti-psychist, anti-Peter Joseph manners every single day and follow everything I do.
00:41:31.000How do they possibly have time to do that?
00:41:34.000So you think they're being paid to do it, maybe?
00:41:36.000Well, I just know of some companies that were listed to me that do the exact same thing to other people.
00:41:41.000And you don't see them on the forefront.
00:41:43.000They're these PR firms that you can use to...
00:41:45.000You've probably seen the ones that you can go and use to get bad things removed from your name on the internet.
00:42:16.000And then that shit got taken down eventually.
00:42:19.000And I found out it was just this male porn star that did it.
00:42:22.000And then now there's groups of people that use all those things that were put online and attack every single porn star online by putting their information everywhere.
00:43:12.000Well, because if, say, some deeply religious individual sees porno or catches his son with it or something like that, they feel a huge threat there for whatever purpose.
00:43:20.000You'd be surprised what motivations people have.
00:44:12.000Anti-structure thing going on in the world where everyone thinks they can just keep having kids and it doesn't matter what the resources of the planet, you know, it doesn't matter, no, don't you dare tell them how to raise their kids, forget any kind of instruction.
00:44:24.000You know, kids, people have natural pre-programming.
00:44:27.000It's pretty obvious what, did you watch Psychoist Moving Forward, a whole section of that at the very beginning of Psychoist Moving Forward on the development of kids.
00:44:34.000Now, little small nuances can mess them up for the rest of their lives, whether it goes to drug addiction, whether it goes to mental disorders or even physical disorders.
00:44:41.000And no attention is being put on that.
00:44:43.000If there's anything that I would like to see put in the public educational fountain, it would be how to really think about your kids, how important it is, how the earliest things that happen to them will fuck them up the rest of their lives if they're not carefully It's carefully collared or carefully orchestrated, allowing vulnerability.
00:45:00.000We're not talking about like, you know, holding kids down and making them do things in a structured way.
00:45:03.000It's allowing the vulnerability of this natural organism to come to fruition.
00:45:07.000A horse, for example, falls right out of the horse, it's born, falls right out, it can walk, boom.
00:45:12.000Humans, because of evolution, they come out way too early, so the susceptibility of the infant is so massive and so misunderstood up until now that people have done things to their kids that have really fucked them up for their whole lives at the infancy stage because of how much developmental requirements are actually there.
00:45:39.000Is the best case scenario that the Zeitgeist movement takes place after some sort of a collapse and we develop a new society that's based on the using of natural resources universally and across the board and there's no hierarchy of citizenship and then the people are on the outside, what do we do?
00:45:59.000Well, you would want to hope that whatever the cataclysm manifests itself to be that's pending, that those on the sidelines, the barbarians at the gate as they might have been, would eventually turn around to see the folly of their ways as well.
00:46:28.000A few are coming out now and admitting it.
00:46:30.000You can go back to the Roosevelt administration.
00:46:31.000They actually wanted to have a stop on technological invention during the Industrial Revolution because of how fast people were being replaced by machines.
00:46:40.000And that is the four core driver of all unemployment you see in the world today.
00:47:13.000Or do you create a new system that says, okay, let's go full forward with machine automation, all sectors possible, and fill in the gaps with whomever is willing to do so.
00:47:22.000And I think the abundance produced would enable a society to exist without people needing money every minute of the day.
00:47:29.000What happens to all those people that were working on those assembly jobs?
00:47:32.000At this stage, they wouldn't know what the fuck to do.
00:47:43.000Until you see someone in power say, okay, we're going to start to automate and basically do a form of socialization, if you will, giving people free food, free energy in order to supplement them for their lack of purchasing power, which is what's happening.
00:47:56.000Until someone starts to do that in government or having the workday, like if Obama was smarting a bunch of Roosevelt administration, they would have put in a mandate or whatever you want to call it where the corporations receive some type of subsidy where they would have the workday and they would hire twice the amount of people for that corporation.
00:48:13.000Giving them the sustenance income that would be applicable.
00:48:17.000It would be probably a little bit reduced, but what else do you do?
00:48:19.000They're not going to do that because the core motivation is so against it.
00:48:22.000The corporation's responsibility is to the shareholders.
00:48:24.000Shareholders don't want to see anything like that.
00:48:26.000What happens when someone lays off a bunch of employees in the stock market?
00:49:00.000I mean, it's already chaos in most of the world in pockets.
00:49:03.000I think 2012 is going to be, prophecy aside, I think 2012 is going to be a very interesting year.
00:49:08.000It's amazing that things have accelerated this far, this close to 2012. When you look at it from the prophecy standpoint, everybody thinks...
00:49:16.000Look, it's like The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
00:49:18.000It's like at a certain point in time, like Y2K and this and that and the fucking Pleiades and where's Nibiru and...
00:49:24.000At a certain point in time, you're like, alright, you're fucking apocalypse talk.
00:49:27.000But then, as you get closer and closer to 2012, you're like, man, you know, maybe the Mayans were onto something.
00:49:34.000Well, I doubt that, but what does scare me is the self-fulfilling shit and the people that are going to be jumping out of windows and shooting things up and all the ones that have convinced themselves of some deluded idea.
00:50:25.000I don't know if I'm believing in it 100%, but I think it's amazing that they can halfway nail down personalities and different traits when they're really good at it.
00:52:00.000And the sun rising, let's say, the summer solstice, you know, where you...
00:52:03.000I believe that's the birth note, or maybe it's the spring equinox, I can't remember.
00:52:06.000It's a completely 2D, prima facie, surface, flatland view.
00:52:11.000And it doesn't hold any actual validity, because they had no idea that it was actually the depth, you know, the depth of these stars and their radiance is so far away.
00:52:54.000I know this girl that was a stripper a long time ago, and she found out about you from the green room of a strip club.
00:53:02.000There was a hair designer that was, he was a gay guy that was in love with your shit, and so he used to tag you throughout San Francisco, and in this green room of a strip club, your tag is all over.
00:53:13.000He just tagged the fuck out of this green room.
00:53:16.000And then she got so moved by your movie that she started posting flyers around San Francisco That was what was so phenomenal on the original.
00:53:28.000It still persists to this day on its own.
00:53:30.000I did no publicity for any of these things.
00:53:34.000Somehow it seemed to tap into some element of people that they appreciated and felt the need to re-communicate to other people, which is inadvertent to me.
00:54:17.000There's always been someone at the helm of something at different points in time, different cultures, different religions, different kingdoms.
00:54:28.000There's always been someone with a new idea.
00:54:31.000And I think everybody sort of recognizes that this thing's falling apart, no one's buying it anymore, and a new thing's going to come along, man.
00:54:40.000We're going to jump on it because this really is the future because this dying animal that you see, this fucking elephant and donkey system is stupid.
00:54:49.000It's stupid and everybody recognizes it.
00:55:00.000Have you taken a look around what the culture is doing today?
00:55:02.000I mean, the public health issue is bad enough.
00:55:04.000I'm just waiting for the tipping point where the lifespan starts to tip because I think it's just a matter of time.
00:55:10.000I have a friend that has a 10-year-old, and she, as her 10-year-old, is in school, and he's an active kid, and the psychologist, or psychiatrist, I guess it would be for school, is trying to give the kid drugs.
00:56:47.000It's like you're telling me that the only way to learn is to be bored into a fucking coma and just accept this really low frequency of memorizing shit that some other asshole figured out.
00:57:55.000It should be like a prestigious position.
00:57:59.000It should be something that you really aspire to instead of something where it's a passion but you're getting fucked by the system where you barely have enough money to eat.
00:58:07.000You look at how much a teacher makes in a public school system.
00:58:45.000It's amazing that you've worked out the numbers that way.
00:58:47.000And the highest level of imposition you can have is to go to college, get $80,000 worth of debt, and then guess what?
00:58:53.000You're ripe to be enslaved in some hideous corporate establishment.
00:58:56.000Well, you're just hoping you can afford a Lexus next year.
00:58:59.000You know, every day just living a slave.
00:59:02.000But back to the drug issue, it just preps kids now so they can, when they get to be adults and try to figure out why they're so miserable, why they hate their job, why they have no contribution to society, why they don't have any artistic energy anymore.
00:59:14.000Well, that's perfect because then you can give them the Prozac and give them all the other drugs that will nullify them to make them adhere to this process.
00:59:25.000So if you analyze all that and you statistically view public health from a psychological and mental health standpoint, you look at depression rates, you look at everything, then you look at the environmental problems, you just go straight down the spectrum of public health to physical health to environmental health, you have one massive drop-off.
01:00:19.000Another great paradigm shift is we've been living off of fossil deposits, which is one of the most ignorant things possible since we're surrounded by the movement of energy from the sun and everything else.
01:00:52.000You take this block, which has plenty of sun exposure, and you apply photovoltaic paints and high-quality advancements.
01:00:59.000And there's just very little money going into that research, by the way.
01:01:03.000It's hard to get any kind of funding for those things.
01:01:05.000So if you imagine how fast we could advance with these renewable mediums localized, if we actually put the energy into them, you can do the extrapolation on how far we'd become.
01:01:15.000Because technology just continues to move beyond our expectations.
01:01:18.000Don't you need batteries, though, for solar?
01:01:21.000Between supercapacitors and hydrogen, which is the new idea, you could easily overcome the intermittency of solar, easily through battery technology.
01:01:29.000The problem with battery technology, again, in the market system you want constant turnover, you want scarcity.
01:01:33.000You want people to go back and buy more batteries, because that's what this entire system is.
01:01:38.000Is it also the problem with minerals, to create the batteries, like lithium ion?
01:02:06.000No need for the minerals that they get in the condo?
01:02:08.000You might have to have some lithium ion in intermittent sense, depending on how the battery is constructed, but supercapacitors, which is another concept which isn't utilized, like your computerized capacitors that store energy, it's a very different technology than the standard battery, which is kind of like you fill it in There's many different forms, and there's a great deal of advancement there, and there's really nothing I can find that would inhibit storage for intermittency from solar if you really put your mind to it.
01:02:35.000To say that would take some more deep analysis, but I can't imagine we'd run out of minerals just for that.
01:02:41.000Well, it's always been ironic to me that the chain from minerals coming out of the ground to super advanced technology is such a barbaric chain.
01:02:51.000You look down at the people in no shoes with pickaxes pulling the minerals out of the ground in the Congo and how that eventually gets to your Apple laptop.
01:03:00.000It's like, wow, it's pretty fascinating that that is all, I mean, that that's a part of the equation.
01:03:05.000The part of the equation for high technology, whether it's solar power or anything, is you need the minerals from Africa.
01:03:11.000And that's how they're extracting those fucking things.
01:03:13.000Until molecular engineering comes into play and we begin to synthesize these raw materials from scratch through molecular engineering, which is around the corner probably within the next 50, 60 years.
01:03:23.000There's already small advancements in that.
01:03:30.000I mean, really, it's like that's what people predicted.
01:03:33.000Well, you remember probably the old, many years ago, it was one of the companies, they spelled their name in little atoms, and they showed it in the magnifying glass, a big feat.
01:03:41.000We've come a long way since then, and there's a lot of great futurist ideas out there that can basically create replicators for your home, where you're not going to be going to a store to buy anything.
01:03:51.000You're going to be creating these things in your home.
01:03:54.000And if there's anything that will destroy the market system quite rapidly, it will be advancements like that.
01:03:58.000How do you possibly maintain labor systems where you can synthesize a laptop in one swoop, download the model from your computer, it goes into this vat, it's in this dust, and then the molecular element is released just like you print into a printer, or 3D printing, which I had in my film Moving Forward as a primitive notion of that.
01:04:15.000They can print full cars now in one swoop.
01:04:17.000There's so much advanced technology out there that is not known that would solve so many problems.
01:04:48.000They don't necessarily think that way.
01:04:50.000Just like guys sitting around a room in the Pentagon start to justify killing 3,000 people, they're not thinking in terms of being murderers or anything else.
01:04:58.000They're thinking in terms of business.
01:04:59.000So, you know, if you want to make a laptop and you want people to buy it again, that thing's going to die probably three years from the time you buy it.
01:05:05.000Different component problems that will go out.
01:05:08.000But the turnover is so important Inefficiency is the driver of this system, which is why we have the pollution problems, the waste problems, and the health problems, and why they feed in together and why our whole GDP is literally driven by sickness and inefficiency and waste.
01:05:25.000If there's anything that blows my mind, it's how anti-economic our current system really is on all levels.
01:05:31.000So if you want to solve problems, you want to make a car that lasts 60 years, that's easily interchangeable, that can be, excuse me, more than that, maybe 100 years, easily interchangeable, that can be updated.
01:05:39.000You want to make a smartphone that has the longest lasting components that you don't need to throw away.
01:05:43.000These things could be done if we wanted to do it, but it'd be anathema to what the market system requires for constant turnover.
01:05:49.000Constant turnover, constant money circulation means more jobs.
01:05:53.000So this planned obsolescence, you think, is this, like, a business model?
01:06:29.000Intrinsic obsolescence is even more fucked up if you think about it.
01:06:32.000That computer for it to be built has to go through the engine of the industrial profit complex, which means all the components, the extraction, everything else, someone's taking off the top throughout the entire thing, right?
01:06:42.000And there's cost efficiency at the very end.
01:06:45.000So if you're Apple computer, you want to buy the components to make your computer, you can't buy necessarily the highest grade level stuff in order to make it competitive against the other people that are selling computers similar, like Windows.
01:08:33.000There's certain things that are being done right now that are at the peak of production.
01:08:37.000Even though they are being produced, they're essentially making some high-end shit that's the best they can make.
01:08:43.000We could probably argue that one because if you look at all the advanced propulsion technology that's used in NASA, why aren't they applying such things like that?
01:08:53.000Not exactly, but there are all sorts of things that are probably more advanced than either of us know that could be applied to that Ferrari, but they're not because of how it's truly expensive.
01:09:02.000Therefore, no one And it wouldn't work on gas that you could get a pump either.
01:09:05.000You have to work within those constraints.
01:09:06.000Because our gas is actually really low compared to our octane is only 91. In other parts of the country I know you can get like 93 or 94. So I guess it's bad to have more octane.
01:09:28.000The majority of people are lower and middle class.
01:09:30.000You make shit that doesn't work very well so they can afford it, and invariably it breaks and they suffer in the end because they have to deal with the constant cyclical turnover and the need to constantly repair and everything else.
01:09:41.000When everything hits the fan and you start your cult...
01:10:18.000If you had a kid go into a store and there's a kid and his mother and the kid, it's today, and the kid goes and grabs some stuff and shoves it in his pockets, the mom says, no, that's stealing, slaps the kid's hand, the kid learns a valuable lesson and his values are altered, right?
01:10:32.000Think about the same type of idea where we go into a store, there's no money, it's not even a store, it's a supply house.
01:10:40.000And a kid goes in, he grabs whole handfuls of shit that is really unnecessary because there's no utility for it.
01:10:46.000And the mother says, no, that's not what we do because we don't need all of that.
01:10:51.000We'll come back and get it later as we need it because the system's that efficient.
01:10:54.000So you see how the value programming is very easy to adapt.
01:10:58.000So throughout time, you'd begin to change people's values, how they relate to their environment.
01:11:02.000Imagine if you didn't have to worry about money, Joe.
01:11:05.000Imagine the extent that you could pursue in your life the interest that you found interesting.
01:11:11.000And invariably, I guarantee you, if you look at how people respond, especially in their later years when they get more introspective, everyone wants to feel like they're contributing to society.
01:11:20.000Everyone wants to feel like they've done something social.
01:11:23.000So that kind of greed, self-absorbed shit, that's a very adolescent, immature thing.
01:11:26.000It's probably there to a certain effect in the evolution, the adaptation of the human being as he grows.
01:11:31.000But if you have a system that doesn't support or reinforce those issues, then the miserable cocksuckers and dimwits and assholes and jerk-offs won't materialize.
01:12:52.000If the power went out right now, there would be hordes of barbarians on the street with hockey sticks and guns and whatever the fuck they could to go get whatever the fuck you had.
01:13:00.000And that would last for a little while until someone said, you don't have to do that if we just calm down a moment.
01:13:07.000The transition can happen even with the people that we have now that seem to be the creme de la creme, the victims of this culture.
01:13:14.000It's just going to take a great deal of care and I think as a natural consequence, as the system fails, there'll be a great number of people that will turn around faster than you would believe once their needs are pulled away from them.
01:13:25.000They realize that their needs have to come from some other process or somewhere else, then the adaptation becomes natural.
01:13:30.000Well, one of the things about the Occupy Wall Street movement that's fascinated me is the idea that all these people sort of live together.
01:13:38.000They're not just You know, protesting together.
01:13:41.000They have fucking tents, and they have a community there.
01:13:57.000If one of those guys said, listen, man, my cousin has 100 acres out in the wilderness, and they have fruit trees, and they grow vegetables, and there's animals, and we can hunt, and we can make a fucking culture.
01:14:13.000But then they shut you down and they go Waco on your ass and fucking blow towards the buildings.
01:14:17.000Or if you're a whole other country like the attempts of the Bolshevik Revolution or something new, despite what anyone ever thought of communism, that was quickly shut down as a concept by the Western powers.
01:14:28.000You've got to be totally non-threatening if you want to start this cult.
01:14:31.000You have to get a nice piece of property, but it's gotta be real pretty.
01:15:13.000Do you think that we're going to have a situation where money is going to lose all of its value, where it's going to be so bad and the economy is going to get bankrupt so inextricably that we're going to be stuck in a situation where we're like Russia was at one point in time, where they were waiting in line with bales of money to buy a loaf of bread?
01:15:36.000Well, you're already seeing the militarization of the police.
01:15:38.000You're already seeing the social destabilization spread because of the faulty economic premise that is creating the unemployment, that is creating the debt crisis, that it will invariably be very inhibited by the energy crisis if massive moves aren't met.
01:15:54.000So the three issues, as I mentioned before, is the unemployment crisis.
01:15:57.000And to expand on that, let's think about this for a second.
01:16:01.000If you have technology replacing human labor, which is admitted across the board now, mostly by columnists as opposed to economists, because economists, market economists are in extreme denial on this one, and many a debate.
01:16:13.000You replace people, but you're not just replacing their job, you're replacing their ability to purchase other stuff and circulate the economy, and that's even worse in its farthest extension.
01:16:24.000That means that the entire fuel of growth is being slowly shut down, which means that the system will lose more and more, and the system will eventually just stifle to a point that it can't operate anymore, apart from common remedial jobs or problems that might arise.
01:16:41.000But there's no way you're going to continue employing people on this planet in numbers that we have in the past.
01:16:45.000It's all downhill from here because the profit motivation to replace people by machines is inherent to the interest to save money.
01:16:52.000McDonald's has had systems on the shelf for 20 years now that would replace everyone in their kitchen.
01:16:58.000Now they have the front kiosk systems as well.
01:17:00.000They don't do it only because their corporate view is to be social and as an employer.
01:17:06.000Even though it's completely contrary to logic, and if you look carefully, they are automating very, very slowly, just like all the grocery stores are automating.
01:17:13.000You're reducing purchasing power, and there's no way the system is going to maintain itself once that continues and accelerates.
01:17:32.000Is it possible that everybody can find their own unique way to contribute outside of manufacturing things, outside of working menial jobs, outside of fast food, supermarkets, retail?
01:18:02.000Why do we feel the need to have all this other excess stuff?
01:18:06.000Socially speaking, if you go to small tribes that don't have access to television, they're very, very happy with a very minimalistic life.
01:18:12.000Their happiness isn't contingent upon how they compare themselves to others or any type of notion of value.
01:18:19.000They live in the culture that's been manifest within the resources around them, and they're happier than any American with a multi-million dollar house and everything else, which is usually an antidepressants.
01:18:28.000So what we have is a neuroses that's been built, which is fueling all this industry that's completely irrelevant, basically.
01:18:35.000And the more that happens, the more we try to invent new jobs.
01:18:37.000You know, I had one guy, an economist, tell me that, oh, we're just going to end up using Facebook money.
01:18:41.000So we'll have everybody on the internet doing something with Facebook or some other network where somehow they gain credits and they'll use those credits as currency.
01:18:54.000Remember, Joe, we talked about where I said the future is going to be pokes.
01:18:57.000Pokes is going to be where you make your money.
01:18:59.000And my point is it wouldn't surprise me if we reached that point where you have a whole group of these freaks, like straight out of like idiocracy or something, where they're all doing the most relevant actions, irrelevant, waste of life, waste of the human brain, does nothing to contribute just to maintain the idea of employment.
01:19:17.000So, I don't think that's going to happen.
01:19:20.000Once the energy crisis hits and the debt crisis, which continues to stranglehold the entire planet, these three things will combine.
01:19:26.000I can't predict the future, but I think within a couple years, you're going to see some very, very radical shifts in a lot of governments on this planet.
01:19:32.000I think a lot of detachment will occur.
01:19:34.000You're going to see an extension of military invasions.
01:19:38.000They got to get their energy resources there.
01:19:39.000there, they gotta secure the Middle East for other resources, as far as minerals and gold and other things that are there too, there's a, the faster it collapses, the more criminal the meltdown becomes.
01:19:51.000And that's something too, I think people should pay attention to. - We haven't even seen shit yet, now that we have time holes, Did you see that?
01:20:24.000There's definitely some blackout projects, but...
01:20:27.000You know, these guys, there's not a whole lot of these dudes, you know, and the way they stay at this level of, you know, of being a bad, super intelligent motherfucker.
01:20:52.000The researchers admit there's a big difference between human hiding laser beams for 40 picoseconds and hiding military operations lasting minutes or even several seconds.
01:21:00.000But the idea is that they've started it.
01:22:25.000You want nuclear physicists to go after AIDS. Well, if you think another example, the market system is so inhibiting through its competitive mechanisms that the Prima Fasci Association, the assumption is that basically everyone competing amongst themselves within the same sector will produce better results.
01:22:47.000You want people to actually, if they really have the interest to cure or solve a problem or create something of the highest efficiency or utility, there's no better way to do that than to get them with that creative drive in one setting.
01:22:58.000So you take all the cell phone companies, put them together, diminish them into one holding company for all of humanity that produced the best goddamn cell phone.
01:23:07.000And I'm sure if we actually thought about that, Cancer would be cured.
01:23:11.000Well, there's actually cancer cures out there already, but cancer, as we know it in the establishment, would have been cured a long, long time ago.
01:23:17.000There's way too much money being made through this competitive practice, though.
01:23:20.000And, of course, the elongation of cancer.
01:23:23.000And that goes back to the inefficiency mechanism is what drives it all.
01:23:26.000If I could give you the wheel, if I could give you the wheel of this great...
01:23:31.000Great world, this great society, this one giant global culture.
01:25:55.000I know what you're saying, and I know you're very sensitive about this, because that is what happens in every situation where one person gets an inordinate amount of attention, like I'm sure you're getting, and you're a very charismatic dude.
01:26:48.000If you didn't create that video, we wouldn't be having this conversation, you wouldn't have had this movement, you wouldn't have...
01:26:54.000So you've charged up a lot of people's brains with that, man.
01:26:59.000There's been a lot of inspiration out there which has come from many different directions.
01:27:02.000Explain, so I had an issue with the 9-11 stuff that when you guys did the first video, essentially you were saying that 9-11 was an inside job and then you knew that the buildings could not have come down any other way, right?
01:27:17.000With creative license, yeah, that's what was definitely implied.
01:27:20.000And you said that just for a fact, because you did not anticipate this ever being what it was, and you were just trying to get an effect out of people?
01:27:29.000Well, it was the assumption that the audience would, of course, make up their own mind, because before that, there's a great deal of evidence.
01:27:34.000And the opinion of the creator, then all probabilities moving forward, yeah, that statement was made declaratory.
01:27:40.000Do you think that when you see Tower 1 and Tower 2, do you think that they were detonated?
01:27:45.000Tower 1 and Tower 2 most probably were.
01:29:06.000Not since they were designed to take the impact of such jet planes.
01:29:09.000Yeah, but couldn't it be just faulty engineering?
01:29:11.000Like they thought it was going to work and they were wrong?
01:29:12.000The idea that you have a cold structure, law of conservation of momentum, you have a cold structure down here, regardless of how hot it is up here, to see a systemic collapse.
01:29:21.000If you look at the NIST studies and everything else, which didn't even explain the collapse, by the way.
01:29:26.000It's beyond improbable, and I've yet to meet one structural engineer that could ever explain that, especially given the free-fall nature of it when it hit.
01:29:34.000Not to mention all the other characteristics that support it.
01:29:36.000Free-fall nature meaning it fell very similar to free-fall speed?
01:29:41.000Very close to free-fall speed, of course.
01:29:43.000Not to mention the pre-weakening explosions, the sub-basement explosions.
01:29:46.000The recipe of it was perfectly in order with everything that you'd see in controlled demolition, except this was just extremely advanced, and it's an implosion instead of an explosion.
01:29:54.000I've had this conversation with several people who believe the exact same thing.
01:29:58.000One of them was Michael Rupert, who was on last week.
01:30:06.000If you believe that that is the case, and you believe that it was some sort of an inside job, coordinating explosions, Well, if you were an engineer that could have access to the elevator shafts, which would have led you to all the pivotal structural beams that would be required to do this, you could probably do it over the course of time with 15 people.
01:31:42.000It was recently released that the FBI has been involved in over 50% of, quote, terrorist acts that have occurred in U.S. soil.
01:31:49.000What they do is they infiltrate, and then they enable in certain ways, and sometimes they bust them in the middle, or they let it go forward.
01:31:58.000In the case of the first World Trade Center bomb, you know, the guy with the recording of the agent that was there that was working with the terrorist and sided with the FBI, and the FBI told him to go forward with the explosion.
01:32:46.000I know about the guy in, I believe it was Dallas, where they talked him into blowing something up, gave him a fake bomb, set him up, and he went and did it, and then they arrested him.
01:32:59.000It's easy to see, if you look at all the warnings of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, easy to see how CIA-FBI agents infiltrated a rogue group that were planning to do a terrorist attack in the World Trade Center, infiltrated and aided, and to make sure it worked in the way that they wanted it to, even after the fact, with industrial organizing.
01:33:18.000Did people die in the first World Trade Center bombing?
01:34:09.000Corporate interests and Wall Street are highly intertwined.
01:34:12.000CIA and Wall Street are highly intertwined.
01:34:15.000You can't speculate on how this idea would really come to fruition.
01:34:19.000All you can think of is that, yes, you have the options there and you have the precedent to do so.
01:34:24.000I have no idea where the source would be.
01:34:26.000It had so many benefits and so many different levels.
01:34:29.000Namely benefit though is to the administration, the interest of the oil industry to move in on the powers of the Middle East and give the ultimate precedent and as a side effect...
01:34:38.000Seems like they were gonna orchestrate it though.
01:34:39.000Wouldn't they orchestrate it with some people?
01:34:42.000Like if we're gonna go to Iraq, that's the plan.
01:35:44.000The only reason we think is because now it starts to leak because of how powerful then the WikiLeaks and people with consciences are coming forward and trying to help and make these things come out.
01:35:54.000It's really going back to the social system flaw.
01:35:59.000If it's a survival of the fittest concept, if it's a competitive system, it doesn't matter whether it's two people competing for a job, two corporations competing for market share, or two countries competing for resources and their own esteem or whatever their interests are as an empire.
01:36:16.000When Julian Assange came out with all this information and released all this shit, what did you think was going to happen to that guy?
01:36:25.000I was just disappointed that he chose to put himself in the forefront because it painted a picture of a personality, a cult of personality, which I just can't stand.
01:36:46.000But if I was in that position of such massive attention, I would have gotten a team to take the reins and not have one entity.
01:36:53.000That way there's less for them to attack.
01:36:55.000If there's anything that I do in my work, even though I don't consider myself to be that famous, is I'm always dispersing and getting other people to do lots of other things and take the attention away from myself for many different purposes.
01:37:06.000For one, I don't really feel comfortable with any type of role, as you've joked about.
01:37:11.000It's really not in my character whatsoever.
01:37:13.000But it's fascinating that you've gotten to this point.
01:37:19.000I'm a big Martin Luther King fan, and he felt like he was pushed.
01:37:22.000So I kind of allow myself to just be pushed, and I kind of go with the flow.
01:37:26.000But there's nothing more important to me than showing a larger face to this type of concept and not get caught up in the cult of personality issue.
01:37:33.000It has a few different psychological levels.
01:37:35.000Are you making a living doing lectures now?
01:38:11.000I can't afford to just flagrantly go out there.
01:38:14.000You fly all over the country for free?
01:38:17.000Not usually, but if there's an event, I try to hope that they give me at least something.
01:38:20.000It depends on the nature of the event.
01:38:22.000Are you guys gonna have like some sort of an annual thing, like some sort of a Zeitgeist party?
01:38:26.000We have, well, we have a Zeitgeist Day, which is a very intellectual day with a series of lectures, about a dozen of us that give different lectures and different subjects.
01:39:25.000You had religious farce, you had the 9-11 farce, and you had the entire banking war scam.
01:39:30.000It was all really a matter of how publicly manipulated everyone is into believing that these things are actually legitimate and hold up the social zeitgeist.
01:39:38.000Well, I think what you did, too, is package it all together in a really easily absorbable form that really, like, sent the point home.
01:39:45.000You know, and again, a lot of people started on a path of thinking that they might not have ever started on.
01:41:48.000watching your presentations like he's speaking so clearly.
01:41:50.000He's like, he's always so good with getting his, that's not the easiest thing to do for a person like me who's essentially lived at least half of my life doing public speeches.
01:42:01.000You know, either stand-up comedy or acting stuff.
01:42:04.000It's not natural to me, I'm not too afraid to speak in front of people.
01:42:09.000I guess that's part of it, you know, just to be a performer, if you will.
01:42:12.000Do you feel like at this point you have like a zeitgeist act?
01:42:15.000And I say act, not that it's bullshit, but almost like with stand-up comedy, you know, you have subjects that you know you're going to go into, and then once you get into those subjects, you have stuff that you already always share.
01:42:27.000It's a vast range of stuff, and I could ramble on about a lot of other different issues.
01:42:31.000If you want to go back for, I mean, yeah, so it's formulaic, obviously.
01:42:34.000If I'm addressing Occupy Wall Street, I have a very specific kind of gesture I'm going for, a little more anarchy-oriented, you know, trying to relate to their values, a little more angry, because everyone wants to get riled up.
01:43:58.000It's going to be a similar portrayal of the third film, but in a gestural sense, which I think I'm excited to do because I've never done something like that.
01:44:06.000Well, that's kind of a cool concept to actually show people as actors moving forward, creating some new society.
01:44:45.000Do you think we're in danger of nuclear war?
01:44:46.000Is it within our grasp that we're that stupid that we might start bombing Iran and they start bombing us?
01:44:53.000Well, the big argument is how mature a society is.
01:44:57.000You know, if you have molecular engineering which is coming to fruition and you can have someone using nanotechnology create Off the shelf with a very small lab, a very destructive piece of equipment the size of this bottle that can wipe out or poison or do whatever the hell knows to a very large landmass.
01:45:14.000What does that say about the culture that feels the need to do that?
01:45:17.000Because now we have a rebellion across the world in real terrorism, not the farce terrorism, but there really is this angst that's emerged from all this deprivation, from abuse, blowback, if you want to look at the Chomsky kind of view.
01:45:29.000I think it's a little more complicated than that psychologically.
01:45:32.000We have a whole group of people that are so pissed and they're so deprived that they begin to have Abilities with technology that far exceed anything like a grenade or a suitcase bomb So nuclear war as an extension of that seems almost inevitable not to mention the small destructive patterns that we could have I don't think people even realize that potentials on the horizon because our world is so We're so programmed by our daily experiences.
01:45:55.000We're so used to certain experiences and a level of those experiences.
01:46:00.000The idea that we're at war to us is some sort of a vague thing that you see on television unless you've actually been over there.
01:46:08.000It goes back to the point I made earlier about the broad collective social conscious versus the individual.
01:46:14.000Until we begin to look at society in a social way, when you look at each other as yourself, it's not even poetic here, it's just you can't have social stability until everyone's taken care of.
01:46:23.000If someone's deprived on the other side of the world, I'm not safe, because dementia can kick in, who knows what biases they might emerge, who they might trigger, and boom, suddenly a suitcase bomb explodes behind me at some restaurant.
01:46:36.000No one's safe anymore with the technological advancement we have, the risks, the Fukushima power plant again.
01:46:41.000You have to have a world-conscious view at this stage, especially with the age of modern technology and warfare, or it's just, as in the words of Albert Einstein, our technology has exceeded our humanity.
01:46:52.000He said that when he experienced the nuclear bomb that he helped engineer.
01:47:11.000For the extension of the human species, we have to populate another planet because there's no way we're going to survive in this one based on what we're doing.
01:47:23.000And they're very smart people who are studying the human race as if we're studying a colony of ants or studying anything else that you can clearly see where they're headed.
01:48:07.000They're symbiotic and that every parasite is like one that didn't quite work out and just fucked up and killed the host or Jack the host or does something terrible to those Isn't it possible that that's what technology is the technology is also sort of some sort of a it's some sort of a parasitic symbiotic thing where it's it's in the middle of In the middle of helping us, it's enlightening us and it's allowing us to move forward.
01:48:36.000It's allowing us to exchange information at a rate never possible before.
01:48:40.000But it's also, when you establish the highest levels of technology, they often are destructive.
01:48:47.000And it's going to feed the need for people to try that shit out and use it.
01:48:52.000Well, there's the flaw of the broad human psychology and this defense posture that we've groomed so well.
01:48:59.000It's not the technology that's the problem, it's the fucking people behind the technology.
01:49:04.000Is it almost inevitable that with this kind of power we will have this kind of behavior?
01:49:13.000Is it almost inevitable that with ultimate power like that?
01:49:16.000Well, if there isn't a very dramatic change in the way people think about themselves and how they relate to the world, it seems inevitable to me.
01:49:23.000How did you develop this line of thinking?
01:49:25.000Did you have some sort of a life-changing experience?
01:49:30.000I just had great influences from Carl Sagan to even George Carlin and Bill Hicks.
01:49:39.000The comedy spectrum, coupled with the scientific community, was very influential with me, both from a cultural standpoint and a progressive standpoint.
01:49:45.000If there's any individual that's most influential, it would have been Carl Sagan as far as values, because he was so in line.
01:50:07.000So, you know, it's a long value shift, and I went through the same stuff of anger and everything else that I think a lot of people do, and then I met even more people that fascinated me and a lot of authors.
01:50:18.000There's so many brilliant minds out there, from Jacque Fresco to Buckminster Fuller to Nicola Tesco.
01:50:22.000Jacque Fresco is the guy that's the head of that Venus Project?
01:51:58.000But I also, when I see something like what John Fresco was saying, I try to look at it as if I was someone who is In some sort of a position of power in government.
01:52:13.000I was someone who was in some sort of a position of power, of political influence, running the banks, running the world, the IMF, whoever the fuck it is that pulls the strings for the world.
01:52:22.000And I would say, how do I deal with this guy?
01:52:51.000Do you think as far as moving forward, if you did buy the land and get the people to start living there, that's when you would have an issue.
01:52:57.000Well, again, I don't advocate such a thing.
01:52:59.000I don't advocate running from this system.
01:53:00.000How big is your file, the FBI file they have on you?
01:53:48.000Well, the next project is something called the Global Redesign Institute, which is going to be a nonprofit I'm founding, which is going to basically take artists and engineers, get them together to show how to redesign the infrastructure for particular regions in the most sustainable, non-monetary, most sustainable, practical, and efficient way possible.
01:54:05.000So, for example, you could take Los Angeles.
01:54:07.000You could show the public in conference a completely new redesign that didn't say have cars sitting at gas, excuse me, sitting at stoplights, you know, wasting gas.
01:54:15.000Too much gas is wasted by the inefficiency of the stoplight system.
01:54:19.000I mean, at least Europe has those roundabouts, semi-better.
01:54:21.000But you could think of all sorts of creative means of up-and-over systems.
01:54:25.000You know, a lot of cars, they stop and they shut off, actually, at red lights now.
01:54:39.000We see how the concept of efficiency is vast.
01:54:42.000Pressure transducers in streets that can power the lights.
01:54:45.000You can have pressure transducers in these walls that can help power the lighting system in the building.
01:54:49.000There's so many things that could be applied to society to make it so grandiose Efficient, that would rule out the market system by default, but it would solve so many problems of poverty and hunger and even conflict and petty crime, and most crimes are related to money.
01:55:03.000You know, you could eliminate so many massive things, not a utopia, if you just applied the most efficient means and give people, you know, vertical farms on the coast of Los Angeles, running desalinization processes from the water, boom.
01:55:18.000Think about how much energy is wasted on globalization, moving shit back and forth, product made here in China, assembled over here in Uganda.
01:55:48.000It's an act of violence to think that way.
01:55:50.000Because the amount of deprivation you're imposing on somebody else by that acquisition of resources, which is so excessive, is, in fact, inhibiting other people's lives one way or another.
01:56:02.000By having anything that is of such excess, and you can be subjective on this, but anything that has no utility, it's of such excess and vanity, such as one guy living with his small family in a 40-room mansion and having two massive gas-guzzling jets parked in the front lawn just because he can.
01:56:57.000The competition would be within one square of development, which is what real competition is.
01:57:00.000It's about accelerating yourself, not against somebody else.
01:57:02.000You know, I could completely see how people in like a sports In advanced society, in a sports context, they're not really thinking about beating somebody else.
01:57:43.000And I think it might be one of the reasons why it's driven innovation to such a radical tipping point.
01:57:49.000If you talk to anyone who knew Steve Jobs or anybody who knows Bill Gates, one of the things they'll tell you is how Incredibly competitive these guys are.
01:58:10.000You've done an amazing thing creatively, but in order to push innovation, in order to push a company, to push success and achievement, I almost feel like you have to have some sort of a sense of...
01:58:20.000Well, in a market system, invariably, you have to be competitive or you're gonna fail.
01:58:24.000You're gonna fail financially, you're gonna fail on your status.
01:58:26.000If you look at Steve Jobs' writings and his talks, the guy was a very creative individual.
01:58:30.000You could tell that his money aside, he wasn't motivated by that incentive, for one.
01:58:34.000And I think his interest to be competitive was really just to make the best he could for whatever demographic or concept or idea.
01:58:40.000And, of course, to compete against Microsoft to make sure he maintains his market share.
01:58:44.000So competition is inherent to the game that they're playing.
01:59:41.000This guy interviewed James Gilligan for Zeitgeist Moving Forward.
01:59:44.000He's one of the most acclaimed criminal psychologists.
01:59:49.000He would talk about shame and the issues of shame and why people behave so violently.
01:59:53.000He spent his whole life analyzing violent behavior.
01:59:56.000Gave a great insight into serial killers and a lot of people that you think are natural outgrowths that are just typical of the system or typical of humanity, if you will.
02:00:04.000And he found almost throughout the entire thing it was based on a form of humiliation and shame and what was so fascinating is that the majority of the instances of violence happened in the most mundane and arbitrary circumstances.
02:00:16.000Someone would literally insult somebody else and they would get really upset by that and the shame that they would feel from being so small, from getting upset from someone saying, fuck you.
02:00:27.000Cause that much more reinforcement of their anger to get into a physical brawl.
02:00:46.000Yeah, I've done martial arts my whole life.
02:00:48.000And I think that's a huge part of being a human being.
02:00:52.000I think every man, if you're gonna have to deal with some form of aggression, In your life, you're going to ultimately worry or wonder what happens if this becomes physical.
02:01:01.000And I think taking that off the table and learning martial arts, just as the animal, human being, is a great way to prevent anybody ever fighting.
02:02:23.000We're closing in on some real interesting lessons.
02:02:27.000Well, if you want, I can go back to your question, I guess, from like 20 minutes ago regarding what the system would be if I was the leader of it, which is a farce notion, but what would define...
02:03:43.000Yeah, the zip car concept is a great idea for someone who wants to live in a place like New York City where it's just prohibitively expensive to try to have a parking spot.
02:03:50.000If you had a society designed, first of all, if you're in an inner city, you really want to get public transit working well because that's the best way to do it anyway.
02:03:59.000My great-grandfather was an engineer and he had designed this system in Los Angeles years ago, many years ago, which was a trolley system that was above ground, wasn't susceptible to earthquakes.
02:05:09.000We have to wait for it to fall apart and then start our own shit.
02:05:12.000And then we have to show, as I mentioned, the Global Redesign Institute, you have to show the world an alternative that they can understand to see how these problems can be resolved.
02:05:19.000And then I advocate a parallel government system, as radical as that statement sounds.
02:05:24.000A parallel government, so there's more than one government.
02:05:27.000Well, you have the existing government in whatever region or in its holistic sense, as far as, say, the United Nations, if you will.
02:05:33.000A parallel system would be a group of people that are not politicians.
02:05:36.000They're not jockeying for public support and public opinion and manipulating the values and abortion this and gay rights this and gay marriage that.
02:05:43.000Those become nominally obsolete because they are completely irrelevant culturally compared to what the problems we have.
02:05:48.000The group of technicians and engineers and thinkers and creators that want to simply design the infrastructure of society correctly to meet the needs of the human population.
02:05:58.000And with that train of thought, I guarantee you people will be chomping at the bit.
02:06:01.000Volunteer to show what they can do to make society more efficient.
02:06:05.000And as a side of the product of that, money goes out the window.
02:06:08.000Because if you really detail the issue of money, you can't have an efficient system in the market model of economics.
02:06:22.000Green economy is impossible also in a monetary system because of the inherent flaw of cost efficiency, meaning to cut corners to get the right product to make it so people can buy it.
02:06:34.000The inherent flaws of cyclical consumption, the need to have constant turnover.
02:06:38.000Our economic system is in one big paradox.
02:06:41.000In the old economic theory it says there's scarcity, therefore we have to have the assumption of social Darwinism that some people can have the right to this through their equity and some cannot.
02:06:50.000Never enough to go around is the assumption.
02:06:52.000Simultaneously, it's based on infinite growth.
02:06:54.000Simultaneously, it assumes that we have to constantly keep consuming so people can stay employed.
02:06:58.000And with a growing population, what do you have to have?
02:07:00.000More and more consumption to keep everyone that's populated employed.
02:07:11.000We are monkey selves trying to figure out what the fuck's going on.
02:07:14.000But luckily, we can begin to assess, we can see the light.
02:07:18.000And now it's the big conundrum of how to get the fuck out of the system and it's something that actually works without seeing too much destruction, without seeing too much breakdown.
02:07:27.000I don't want to see the system fail and the infrastructure completely be demolished.
02:07:30.000I don't want to see terrorists come out of the woodwork.
02:08:16.000It would have set a great precedent, wouldn't it?
02:08:18.000We'd actually be able to see another entity that actually was beyond us, that could actually give us the obvious awareness that we're one species and one family.
02:08:32.000He gave a speech during the middle of the Cold War saying how quickly we would unite as a race if we were faced with a threat from another world.
02:10:22.000It's interesting to see how people think about the future and what it ends up being.
02:10:25.000Yeah, I mean, predicting space travel to other planets, no problem.
02:10:29.000But figuring out a graphic user interface, it's just really never been...
02:10:33.000Nobody ever wrapped their head around it yet.
02:10:35.000It's so hard to predict what the future may hold, man.
02:10:37.000Do you think that technology can save us?
02:10:39.000Is it possible that there's going to be something that comes along that...
02:10:43.000To create some sort of a connectivity with human beings that allows us to be more empathetic to the idea or more accepting to the idea that we are really truly one species.
02:10:58.000Well, in the words of Carl Sagan, when he was approaching the nuclear fallout possibility during the Cold War, he said, if there's anything positive that could come out of this, it would be the unification of humanity on the level of realizing that they are all at risk by the actions of just two seemingly small superpowers.
02:11:18.000So once the breakdown of society occurs, once people see how interconnected things are in the infrastructure of society, in the fact that computers run everything already, you know, it's very obvious the symbiosis, and I think it'll come to fruition.
02:11:30.000If there's any pattern that's become more of a trend now, it's the oneness poetry.
02:11:35.000I'd look at it very literal, but a lot of people like to take it into a metaphysical sense.
02:11:38.000The unification of the species is not just the unification of us as a family in a gestural sense, even though you can go back, you know, to the mitochondrial eve many thousands of years ago.
02:11:48.000We all have the same basic mitochondrial DNA construct.
02:11:50.000We all come from that basic kernel one way or another, the entire species.
02:11:54.000But the entire association of values in our minds is utterly symbiotic.
02:12:19.000And if there's anything that could show the unification of the species on that level as far as what we think we are, we can only be everything because every construct of thought is determined by what everyone else is thinking.
02:12:46.000Well, if you get to that, how much do you think that you can manipulate your environment with thinking?
02:12:51.000How much do you think that you can manipulate?
02:12:52.000Well, the beauty of technology as an extension of ourselves is the ultimate tool.
02:12:56.000I mean, thinking really is a technological idea.
02:12:59.000Logic and reason, which came to us just a couple thousand years ago with Aristotle.
02:13:02.000We finally figured out how to think, even though most of the planet still doesn't do that.
02:13:07.000These tools will lead to something, and if the values are right, if we see the rationale, if we see the reason, if we see what it means to relate to the environment, which is very, very simple, if we see the benefit of automation as an isolated example, we naturally adapt and adjust.
02:13:23.000And what's happened now, though, I mean, frankly, there isn't a crisis.
02:13:26.000There's only the crisis of the way we think.
02:13:28.000There's no reason you couldn't turn all of this around tomorrow if you wanted it to.
02:15:06.000And then we give birth to the live one.
02:15:08.000We give birth to technology where it's sentient, where it can figure shit out on its own, and it becomes another life form.
02:15:13.000It becomes a life form, much like a biological, carbon-based life form, just completely different and unexpected and something we didn't see coming.
02:16:06.000Problem of human psychology is so vast now that I can only dream of the cold quality of calculation coming forward to save us because we've fucked up just about everything so far.
02:16:18.000We are way beyond our sense of self-control.
02:16:35.000And again, it's easy to see an amazing, beautiful society emerge if we simply wanted to construct one correctly because we have that power now.
02:16:47.000That's an important part of the equation.
02:16:49.000I don't think you're going to fix people without some sort of a large-scale psychedelic experiment.
02:16:53.000I did see an evolution special that alluded to that old Bill Hicks joke, which maybe came true, that mushrooms could have been that link that pushed forward the human brain.
02:17:02.000Yeah, that's McKenna's theory, the stoned ape theory.
02:17:11.000Yeah, there's a bunch of scientists that have speculated it because, you know, the incredible powers of psychedelic plants, I mean, as far as like powers of experience, I mean, if you don't know, if you never had it, there's a lot of people ignorant to the experience.
02:18:01.000Like, you can't imagine that it's really possible that this could exist, and that this is not discussed every day on CBS Evening News, that someone's not saying, listen, man, you need to get on mushrooms, okay?
02:18:11.000You need to find a fucking place where you're comfortable, and you need someone to get you the good shit, and you need to go there with clear intent, and you need to do yoga, and you need to find yourself, because life can be way better.
02:18:21.000This recent John Hopkins study where they talked about one dose, they had one large dose of psilocybin and they had measurable increases in their happiness and their personality over a period of like 20 years.
02:18:32.000One experience just reset their whole life.
02:18:36.000So can we add mushrooms to the Zeitgeist movement?
02:18:41.000I think together in harmony we can work this shit out.
02:20:26.000The main movement site is just simply thezeitgeistmovement.com, and then the movie site is zeitgeistmovie.com, and then you can link to all the other sub-sites for the films.
02:20:33.000And there's a bunch of scam sites that, like, they set...
02:20:37.000The Zeitgeist film series has been subject to more manipulation and scam and resellers.
02:20:42.000I've been screwed over so extensively by...
02:20:45.000Attempting to be altruistic with the distribution of that film.
02:20:49.000People buy things from me, resell it, profit all over the place.
02:20:51.000I just now stopped doing a lot of the things I used to do after four years because I'm running out of money.
02:20:56.000I can barely see myself making this new film.
02:20:58.000It's going to be quite the difficult venture.
02:21:02.000The Zeitgeist has attracted just about everything.
02:21:05.000Whether it's people that want to abuse it, people that hate me, people that like it.
02:21:10.000There's no more strange phenomenon I've come across recently than the Zeitgeist phenomenon as far as a cultural issue.
02:21:23.000To all of a sudden at the head of some crazy movement where you're being critiqued and criticized for every single word that comes out of your mouth.
02:22:22.000So if there's anything I would leave to the audience that actually is an activist bone, it's that don't follow anybody.
02:22:27.000You've got to get out there and do it because a lot of these people that are trying to lead, if you will, are not going to be around forever.
02:22:32.000I could hit the Carlin level and say, fuck it, evolutionary cul-de-sac, goodbye humanity, and I could go live on the moon somewhere after I do something to fly there.
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