The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1737 - Tim Pool

00:00:13.000 How's it going, man?

00:00:14.000 I'm so excited.

00:00:15.000 It's been like a year and a half.

00:00:16.000 Nice to see you. 0.99

00:00:16.000 Last night was fucking chaos. 0.99

00:00:19.000 You can't have like 10 people with microphones in a room in a trailer. 0.99

00:00:23.000 It was good, though, because Alex would just start screaming. 0.64

00:00:26.000 Ah!

00:00:27.000 If too many people talked at once.

00:00:29.000 So he was acting like, you know, that buffer.

00:00:31.000 Thanks for coming, man.

00:00:32.000 It was fun.

00:00:32.000 It ended up being huge.

00:00:33.000 We had like over a million people watch.

00:00:34.000 Really?

00:00:35.000 It was a cacophony of crazy voices and I don't know if anyone learned anything, but, you know, it was fun.

00:00:41.000 Just seeing Alex sitting next to Blair White and then you and me and Luke and it was just...

00:00:48.000 This is wild.

00:00:49.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:50.000 Very fun.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, but seriously, thanks for coming.

00:00:53.000 When it came together accidentally because one by one, everyone wanted to come on the show on the same day, I felt bad for Blair White because we had originally booked her.

00:01:01.000 And then at the last minute, I can't remember who it was, probably Luke, he was like, have you asked Joe?

00:01:05.000 And I was like, he's got a comedy show, he's too busy.

00:01:08.000 But, you know, if you don't ask, the answer is always no.

00:01:10.000 And then Joe's like, yeah, I'll come by, this would be great.

00:01:12.000 Yeah.

00:01:12.000 Yeah, I worked it in.

00:01:13.000 We got in.

00:01:14.000 I had a podcast before then, so we were with my friend Ben, and we were hammered.

00:01:19.000 So we had been drinking and smoking weed, and we went straight over to there.

00:01:23.000 So it was silly. 0.93

00:01:25.000 Right on, man. 0.98

00:01:26.000 It was quite silly.

00:01:27.000 So what's going on? 0.94

00:01:28.000 Well, we're sitting here waiting for this Rittenhouse verdict, right?

00:01:34.000 Which is apparently going to happen today, maybe.

00:01:37.000 And what's interesting to me is that people are framing this as a race thing.

00:01:44.000 From the beginning. 0.73

00:01:45.000 Well, and then many people are realizing now, because they're paying attention to the trial, that he actually shot white people. 0.88

00:01:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:01:55.000 Like, there's many people that thought that this Kyle Rittenhouse kid had shot black protesters, when in fact it was white Antifa rioters, and then if you look at their record, they were all criminals. 0.91

00:02:09.000 Like, the people he shot. 0.98

00:02:12.000 They were.

00:02:13.000 That's a tough point.

00:02:15.000 You know, Joseph Rosenbaum, and I don't know how graphic you want to get, because do you know this guy's history?

00:02:20.000 The first guy who attacked Kyle who died, you know his history?

00:02:23.000 Yes, I do.

00:02:23.000 Well, go ahead, good graphic.

00:02:24.000 Graphic, he anally raped children. 0.99

00:02:26.000 I believe he anally raped one little boy, and he performed oral on several little boys. 1.00

00:02:31.000 Apparently, he would try and date single mothers to sexually abuse their children. 0.99

00:02:37.000 That was when he was a teenager and then he went to prison.

00:02:39.000 I believe it was for 15 years.

00:02:41.000 Now the details here get murky.

00:02:42.000 I don't know exactly.

00:02:43.000 They say he got out of a mental hospital that morning.

00:02:46.000 This guy was not Antifa.

00:02:47.000 He was not Black Lives Matter, at least in my opinion. 0.64

00:02:49.000 I think this is a guy who was suicidal. 0.98

00:02:52.000 He was screaming, shoot me N-word, shoot me N-word over and over again. 0.59

00:02:55.000 He attacked a kid with a gun who was screaming friendly, friendly, friendly and running away and then tried grabbing it.

00:03:01.000 And then within.739 of a second, Rittenhouse let off four shots As Rosenbaum was reaching for his gun, as testified by Richie McGinnis, and he crumpled to the ground.

00:03:13.000 And that's when these other guys, the whole mob, you know, Kyle runs for the police, and then the rest of the mob starts running after him, like, get him, cranium that boy, get him, get him, get him.

00:03:23.000 Anthony Huber is an interesting one because he's the dude who hit him with the skateboard twice.

00:03:27.000 People don't know this because you'll hear from the conservatives like, oh, he was hitting him with the skateboard and you see that photo of Rittenhouse on the ground.

00:03:33.000 Apparently he hit Rittenhouse from behind with the skateboard before Rittenhouse fell.

00:03:37.000 He grabbed the gun.

00:03:40.000 Rittenhouse fired one shot right into his heart. 0.96

00:03:42.000 Killed him instantly.

00:03:43.000 Gage Grosskreutz, the next guy, charged at Rittenhouse with a gun in his hand.

00:03:47.000 And you want to know where it gets really crazy?

00:03:49.000 Grosskreutz testified on the stand that he told police, and he believed, Kyle Rittenhouse said, I'm working with the police as he was running down the street.

00:03:58.000 Because Gage Grosskreutz was running alongside him.

00:04:01.000 Grosskreutz runs back, turns around and runs towards him, pulling his Glock 27 out from his waistband.

00:04:08.000 That means Gage Grosskreutz, if he's telling the truth, and he's probably not, believed Kyle Rittenhouse was a police informant or in some way working with cops, so he should draw his Glock 27 on this kid and run up to him gun drawn.

00:04:22.000 I mean, that's a crazy prospect.

00:04:24.000 And he's the guy who got shot in the bicep?

00:04:26.000 Shot in the bicep.

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 This is not a guy who was trying to stop a mass shooter.

00:04:30.000 It's a guy who testified, I was trying to, what, attack a police informant or a cop or something like that?

00:04:36.000 That's in the trial.

00:04:37.000 Why do you think this has become a race thing?

00:04:39.000 Is it because it was a Black Lives Matter protest? 0.88

00:04:43.000 Man, this is crazy. 0.75

00:04:45.000 Let's call it what it is.

00:04:46.000 Is it a protest or is it a riot?

00:04:48.000 It's a riot.

00:04:48.000 It's a riot, right?

00:04:49.000 I mean, it seemed like...

00:04:51.000 I mean, what was the scene?

00:04:53.000 Were they lighting things on fire?

00:04:54.000 Like, what was the scene?

00:04:56.000 Well, so, I watched a lot of videos about it, you know, same as many people, but I also interviewed seven different witnesses.

00:05:01.000 We've had them on our show right afterwards and throughout the year, and we have a collection of all this footage from all these guys.

00:05:08.000 I mean, this was a pretty serious riot.

00:05:10.000 What...

00:05:10.000 You know, when people say, like, why did Kyle Rittenhouse come out?

00:05:13.000 Why did he have to have that gun?

00:05:14.000 Well, buildings had been burned down.

00:05:15.000 But there was a viral video of a guy who looks...

00:05:18.000 I think he's in his 70s.

00:05:19.000 I think he...

00:05:20.000 I could be getting the details wrong so you guys can fact-check me on this one.

00:05:22.000 But he had, like, a mattress store that was on fire.

00:05:25.000 And so he rushes to it as people are just running through the store and causing havoc.

00:05:29.000 And he tries to stop them and grab them.

00:05:31.000 And someone goes up behind him with a rock and bashes him over the back of the head.

00:05:34.000 Leaving him laying on the ground, bleeding out. 0.99

00:05:36.000 I remember seeing that video and just being like, holy shit, dude. 0.99

00:05:40.000 So you have to imagine, I mean, you're a kid. 0.99

00:05:43.000 This Kyle Rittenhouse, he wants to be a cop.

00:05:44.000 He wants to be an EMT. And you hear the police aren't doing anything about it.

00:05:48.000 Literally, the police were just staying far away as things burned.

00:05:51.000 Then you hear that his friend Nick Smith was offered money to protect the businesses.

00:05:56.000 So they said, we need to get a crew together to defend these businesses.

00:05:59.000 And Kyle's 17. He had a legal gun.

00:06:02.000 The gun was legal.

00:06:03.000 The judge ruled this.

00:06:05.000 So explain that, because I thought he wasn't old enough to carry.

00:06:10.000 So, in Wisconsin, there's an exemption for rifles and shotguns if you're 16 or 17. It is believed the exemption is so that you can hunt, but it's not specifically about hunting.

00:06:22.000 So, open carry is, in Wisconsin, if you're above 18, is that what it is?

00:06:29.000 I don't know about open carry or...

00:06:31.000 Concealed carry, but the ability to carry a weapon publicly.

00:06:35.000 Because this is publicly, right?

00:06:37.000 Right.

00:06:37.000 And so even though he's 17, there's an exemption that he's allowed to carry that weapon because of the fact that it's a rifle.

00:06:45.000 Right.

00:06:45.000 It's a rifle greater than, I think, 26 inches.

00:06:48.000 So if he was carrying a pistol, what he was doing was illegal, but since he was carrying a rifle, it's legal.

00:06:55.000 Yes.

00:06:56.000 Because people kept saying that he was carrying it illegally because he was 17, so that's not, in fact, true.

00:07:01.000 Not true, and...

00:07:02.000 All the legal experts who are being honest about this from the first day this happened immediately came out and said he was legally carrying that rifle.

00:07:12.000 But I guess for the same reason people claimed Kyle Rittenhouse shot black people, they claimed the gun was illegal. 0.86

00:07:18.000 You know, I never heard anybody say that he shot black people, but I think people just assumed that he shot black people.

00:07:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:07:25.000 I don't think most people are even aware of the details of this case, especially the people that are, which is really disturbing, the people that are commenting on it in the media. 0.98

00:07:34.000 Like, Joe Scarborough got a bunch of shit wrong. 0.98

00:07:37.000 Fired off 60 rounds. 1.00

00:07:39.000 I mean, he just got a bunch of shit wrong. 0.99

00:07:41.000 Like, so many of the details are wrong. 0.99

00:07:43.000 Like, he's a professional news guy.

00:07:46.000 That's what he does.

00:07:47.000 He's on, what is he, MSNBC? MSNBC Morning Joe.

00:07:50.000 I mean, how the fuck does his... 0.99

00:07:52.000 I mean, he must have fact checkers and... 1.00

00:07:55.000 You want to hear some shit? 0.99

00:07:57.000 I've been watching the trial live stream nonstop from start to finish. 1.00

00:08:01.000 I've been reporting mostly on covering mostly this and reading legal analysis from a variety of lawyers.

00:08:07.000 There was a moment where it was really, really bad for the prosecution.

00:08:11.000 One of their star witnesses, one of the men who, Gage Grosskreutz, he's the guy who ran up with the Glock on Kyle Rittenhouse, testified.

00:08:20.000 That it wasn't until he advanced on Kyle with his gun pointed at him that Kyle shot him.

00:08:26.000 What did MSNBC report?

00:08:28.000 What did NPR report?

00:08:29.000 That he testified he raised his hands, and with his hands up, Kyle shot him. 0.99

00:08:35.000 Yeah, what the fuck are they doing? 1.00

00:08:36.000 Are they just lying? 1.00

00:08:38.000 Or are they doing it for ratings?

00:08:41.000 Are they doing it because they're misinformed?

00:08:43.000 What are they doing?

00:08:46.000 I'll try and be as fair as possible.

00:08:47.000 Some have suggested that maybe Gage Grosskreutz said, my hands were up.

00:08:53.000 He did say this, my hands were up.

00:08:55.000 And then they write, Gage Gross-Croit says his hands were up as he was being shot.

00:08:59.000 They sort of just did a bad job.

00:09:01.000 But I don't give these people the benefit of the doubt when, you know, I'm watching this trial, same as everybody else, and within the span of five, ten minutes, he says, it was, you know, the defense asked him, you pointed your gun and then he shot you, and Gage Gross-Correct.

00:09:13.000 If it was a mistake, they could have issued a correction and said, oh, he actually testified, he advanced on him with a gun pointed towards him.

00:09:19.000 Right.

00:09:20.000 So I have to wonder if it's a cult.

00:09:23.000 It's ideological.

00:09:23.000 It's the refusal to accept you were wrong and to perpetuate the narrative of your groupthink.

00:09:29.000 I don't even know if it's that or if they're just doing that because that's the way they get people to watch and pay attention, to reinforce this narrative that would be the most inflammatory and the most outrageous narrative, which is that this guy is just on a rampage and we're going to let him off because he's white. 0.77

00:09:48.000 You know what I think?

00:09:50.000 I think over the past several years, these media organizations, they found they made a lot of money hating on, you know, quote unquote, the far right and Donald Trump.

00:09:58.000 And so they embraced that narrative.

00:10:00.000 What ends up happening is your core audience who actually wants news eventually grows wise to the fact that you're just spewing out a narrative and they leave.

00:10:09.000 If you have a viewership that's 80% moderate news interested people, and the only thing you say is, you know, Trump is bad and the far right is bad, eventually you'll lose most of those moderates and retain a very left ideological group.

00:10:22.000 Now, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, that's their core audience.

00:10:27.000 If they come out now and say something honest like...

00:10:30.000 You know, it looks like Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense.

00:10:32.000 They're going to start losing even them, and they're not going to get back the people they lied to.

00:10:35.000 That's interesting.

00:10:36.000 So it's almost like they dug themselves into a hole they can't get out of.

00:10:39.000 But to be fair, Chris Hayes did say it's starting to look like an acquittal in all honesty.

00:10:45.000 But is he saying that because the judge is biased and it's wrong?

00:10:49.000 Or is he saying it because we're looking at the actual evidence?

00:10:52.000 Because the actual evidence itself, look, you know, I'm not exactly sure...

00:11:02.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 Yeah.

00:11:05.000 Yeah.

00:11:15.000 Or are they misinformed?

00:11:18.000 Where is it coming? 1.00

00:11:19.000 Do the producers not understand what the fuck is going on? 0.96

00:11:23.000 Do they want to flavor the narrative that they think that their core audience, what you were talking about, the hardcore lefties, are going to want to hear? 0.99

00:11:31.000 And that's how they need to capture them?

00:11:33.000 I mean, what are they doing exactly?

00:11:35.000 I think that's it.

00:11:36.000 When I worked for that, and I probably told you this the last time I was here, when I worked for Fusion, the ABC News Univision company, The president of the company said in multiple meetings, we're here to side with the audience.

00:11:48.000 And I had a private meeting with him where he told me that.

00:11:51.000 He said, you know, we're going to side with the audience and our audience are like young, progressive.

00:11:55.000 So we're here to like basically side with them.

00:11:58.000 That's how we framed it.

00:11:59.000 And I asked him, you know, does that mean if there is a factual news story that would be offensive or upsetting to our audience, we won't report it?

00:12:06.000 And he said, yes, I think that's fair.

00:12:08.000 I take it to a darker place where it's basically like lie and omit.

00:12:13.000 And I think it's because the guys who run the business, they don't know anything about news.

00:12:17.000 And I'm not trying to...

00:12:18.000 I think it's actually to their defense to say this.

00:12:21.000 A business guy says, we need to bring in enough money to pay everyone's salary so they can do this work.

00:12:26.000 People want to hear the news and the news that's important to them.

00:12:28.000 So we make sure we're siding with them and getting the audience what they need and want.

00:12:33.000 But that goes to a dark place when your motive is clicks and revenue instead of passion and principle.

00:12:41.000 I think most of these companies are realizing that with the internet, with new media, there's millions of different news outlets people can choose from.

00:12:48.000 They don't need to choose you.

00:12:50.000 So what CNN, MSNBC, and these other outlets do is they choose their niche market.

00:12:54.000 They decide, this is the audience we're going to side with because we can't side with everybody.

00:12:58.000 You know, if we come out, we say Trump's not that bad, we lose the left, but if we come out, you know, let's just pick one of them.

00:13:03.000 Right.

00:13:04.000 That's what they've done.

00:13:04.000 I feel like the news, like CNN in particular, is just geared for people at the airport.

00:13:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:13:11.000 They canceled that contract.

00:13:12.000 It's over.

00:13:13.000 Really?

00:13:14.000 Yeah, the CNN airport stuff ended recently.

00:13:16.000 Good.

00:13:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:17.000 It's fucking propaganda. 1.00

00:13:19.000 You know, I never had that opinion of CNN until this whole horse dewormer thing with me. 1.00

00:13:22.000 That crazy, right? 1.00

00:13:23.000 I was like, you guys are out of your fucking mind. 1.00

00:13:25.000 Not only that, it was so obviously a lie and repeated over and over and over and over again. 1.00

00:13:33.000 And they kept using the horse term where it's like, you know, I have heartworm medication for my dog.

00:13:40.000 That I got.

00:13:41.000 It's, you know, just a standard heartworm medication.

00:13:45.000 I don't even know why we got it.

00:13:46.000 He didn't have heartworms.

00:13:47.000 I think it was like something we have, the preventative that we have just laying around. 0.97

00:13:51.000 And I looked at it after all this bullshit was over and I was like, what's in here? 0.95

00:13:54.000 It was an ivermectin. 0.99

00:13:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:56.000 Ivermectin's in there.

00:13:57.000 I'm like, this is crazy.

00:13:58.000 Like, I had no idea that this was laying around.

00:14:00.000 Like, I never even purchased it.

00:14:01.000 Someone else in my family purchased it.

00:14:03.000 Did you know that this is true?

00:14:05.000 There is actually witnesses who have said Brian Stelter was drinking a corrosive battery chemical, a chemical used for cleaning corrosion off batteries.

00:14:16.000 He was actually seen later cleaning a drinking engine coolant.

00:14:22.000 I'm talking about water, by the way.

00:14:24.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:14:24.000 That's the game they play.

00:14:26.000 Well, it's not even the game.

00:14:27.000 It's just lying.

00:14:28.000 But the thing about it, what was weird is how coordinated it was. 0.95

00:14:33.000 And how dumb it was that they were doing it to me. 0.93

00:14:35.000 It's like, do you not know that I can say that that's a lie? 0.98

00:14:39.000 Do you not know that I have more people listening to me than you do?

00:14:42.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:14:44.000 They're not scared of getting sued.

00:14:45.000 But it's not even just they're not scared of getting sued.

00:14:47.000 They're not scared of being publicly... 0.98

00:14:50.000 Shamed for being full of shit like it doesn't have any effect on them with Don Lemon is the only dummy that actually commented on it You know when Sanjay Gupta actually we should be clear that it is not a lie That it's a horse dewormer and Sanjay Gupta said that's true. 0.96

00:15:05.000 No, that's not what he said He said after that, and it's also not cleared for use by the FDA. And he said, that's true. 0.99

00:15:13.000 That's what he said.

00:15:14.000 Right.

00:15:14.000 So he tried to talk about it again and talk about the horse dewormer part of it, about ivermectin being used for humans, and then Don Lemon steamrolled him.

00:15:22.000 So that's, it's not true.

00:15:24.000 But you did see that Sanjay wrote in an op-ed, he was scared you were going to jump the table.

00:15:28.000 He was trying to be funny. 0.96

00:15:29.000 He's not a fucking socially, you know, fluid guy or, you know, he's not... 1.00

00:15:36.000 He's a fucking neurosurgeon. 0.99

00:15:38.000 Yeah, I can respect that. 1.00

00:15:39.000 He's a guy that works 100 hours a week, and he actually deals with real patients.

00:15:44.000 He's a really nice guy.

00:15:45.000 Like, Sanjay's a very nice guy, but he's a little socially naive, I would say.

00:15:50.000 It's just hard to give...

00:15:52.000 Give them the benefit of the doubt, you know?

00:15:54.000 I don't think of him as them.

00:15:56.000 I think of him as a medical correspondent.

00:15:58.000 He's a legitimate doctor.

00:16:00.000 I think he can absolutely be led astray and in a bad way, especially when you're doing those short clips, like when you call in to CNN. Like, he's somewhere remotely looking into a camera, they're in his ear, and then Don Lemon or whoever the fuck else it is is on the other line. 0.93

00:16:18.000 It's not the same.

00:16:20.000 I had the privilege of going through a mini-saga of what you went through because you helped out when me and my crew got sick.

00:16:28.000 And it was actually really interesting for me to experience this because I knew they would lie about me.

00:16:33.000 Even in my first video back after I got sick, I knew the media was going to say it was horse dewormer or whatever.

00:16:39.000 But I was actually fairly critical, and I have been always, of ivermectin, of the...

00:16:45.000 I forgot what it's called.

00:16:46.000 There's like a contrarian – it's a reference to being contrarian where you just believe something is right because the establishment thinks it's wrong or whatever.

00:16:54.000 And the media now still tries to claim that I've been gung-ho on ivermectin when I've actually been either neutral to slightly critical.

00:17:01.000 Well, the evidence is not negative towards ivermectin, but it is muddy.

00:17:06.000 And the reason why it's muddy is there's not real solid funded studies that make much sense.

00:17:12.000 But they do know that it stops viral replication in vitro.

00:17:16.000 We do know that they treated at least 100, if not 200, congresspeople who were sick pre-vaccine.

00:17:25.000 They treated them with ivermectin.

00:17:27.000 We do know that in...

00:17:30.000 What is it called?

00:17:32.000 Uttar Pradesh in India.

00:17:34.000 They treated everyone with ivermectin.

00:17:37.000 They handed out ivermectin to all these households as a preventative measure.

00:17:41.000 And they essentially cured COVID in this one country.

00:17:45.000 Or it's one state rather in India.

00:17:47.000 Now there's an interesting point that just came up today.

00:17:49.000 I can't remember the guy's name.

00:17:51.000 It might be Scott Alexander.

00:17:51.000 I'm not sure.

00:17:52.000 And they found a correlation between worms and parasites and curing COVID. So one of the hypotheses for, it's Udar Pradesh, right?

00:18:01.000 Yeah.

00:18:02.000 People there have a high propensity for, you know, parasite infestation.

00:18:06.000 And so if you've got worms and your immune system is being bogged down or strained, you get sick, you're more likely to die and have a serious reaction.

00:18:13.000 You take ivermectin, you cure those worms, your immune system is more robust.

00:18:18.000 I'm not saying it discredits everything.

00:18:19.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:18:20.000 It stops viral replication.

00:18:23.000 It's not as simple as, like, you don't have worms anymore, so your immune system is stronger.

00:18:27.000 Because there's plenty of people that don't have worms that have an immune system that gets wrecked by COVID. What they're showing is that there's a direct correlation between taking ivermectin and having positive results.

00:18:39.000 The problem is, so many...

00:18:41.000 Like, my friend...

00:18:42.000 Who was it that went over the...

00:18:45.000 Maybe it was Peter Atiyah?

00:18:47.000 But he was saying that essentially the problem is that the studies were so different.

00:18:51.000 Like some of them were taking it in prophylaxis, so they're taking it as a preventative measure.

00:18:57.000 Some of them were taking it in the early days of the COVID infection.

00:19:01.000 Some of them were taking it in the late days of the COVID infection.

00:19:04.000 But here's the thing.

00:19:05.000 What you took that's undeniable, what I took that's undeniable, is monoclonal antibodies.

00:19:12.000 When I talked about the stuff that I took, I read off a laundry list of things, and all they concentrated on is ivermectin.

00:19:20.000 And they said I was promoting ivermectin.

00:19:22.000 This is clearly some sort of a campaign to discredit ivermectin.

00:19:26.000 And if you read the critical care, the frontline critical COVID care website, or you can follow their Twitter feed as well, they talk about, and Dr. Pierre Corey has an article about how the FDA, they targeted ivermectin.

00:19:44.000 They actually targeted it as a drug to single out as being ineffective. 0.87

00:19:48.000 Well, they don't say a goddamn thing about remdesivir. 0.95

00:19:51.000 Remdesivir is something that they prescribe for COVID early on that causes kidney failure. 0.98

00:19:55.000 Whoa.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:56.000 You know, I don't like to believe in coordinated campaigns, grand schemes or anything like that, but this is why I was basically bringing it up.

00:20:05.000 Because even right here, I'm like, well, there's a possibility, you know, worms, I'm even somewhat, I'm kind of a middle-of-the-road guy.

00:20:11.000 I tweeted, monoclonal antibodies saved me, in my opinion.

00:20:15.000 And the NAD +, that popped me back up.

00:20:20.000 And what are they writing about?

00:20:22.000 There's a new article where they're like, far right Tim Pool is the poster boy of Ivermectin.

00:20:26.000 But this is why I think...

00:20:27.000 But they only do that to get people to click on things.

00:20:29.000 And by the way, you're not... 0.93

00:20:30.000 How the fuck are you far right? 0.96

00:20:32.000 You're so not... 1.00

00:20:33.000 It's such a lie.

00:20:34.000 Make sure that what I'm saying about remdesivir is true.

00:20:36.000 Because I'm 90% sure that they stopped prescribing remdesivir for COVID. And I believe the problem was people were having kidney problems.

00:20:45.000 I feel like when I see articles making those claims, it's about discrediting ivermectin.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:50.000 Because even me to say, I think it was the monoclonal antibodies, not ivermectin, and then they write Tim Pool ivermectin.

00:20:57.000 Right.

00:20:57.000 I'm sure everything I took helped.

00:21:01.000 I'm sure the NAD helped.

00:21:02.000 I'm sure the IV vitamins helped.

00:21:04.000 I'm sure the monoclonal antibodies helped.

00:21:06.000 I'm sure all of it helped, but all they concentrated on was ivermectin.

00:21:11.000 Did you find anything about remdesivir?

00:21:15.000 Lung and kidney damage caused by COVID-19 not antiviral drug.

00:21:21.000 Lungs filling up with fluid and kidney failure are actually side effects of remdesivir.

00:21:27.000 That's the claim.

00:21:28.000 Okay, claim.

00:21:30.000 Who's it?

00:21:30.000 Where is this from?

00:21:31.000 The AP. AP? Yeah.

00:21:33.000 AP's assessment, false.

00:21:35.000 Critical COVID-19, not the drug remdesivir, is known to cause fluid in the lungs.

00:21:40.000 Okay, but I read something about remdesivir specifically causing kidney problems. 0.99

00:21:46.000 The problem with all these fucking things is you never know who's full of shit and who's not. 0.99

00:21:51.000 But wait, wait, wait. 1.00

00:21:52.000 I've never heard that...

00:21:55.000 Okay, go to that.

00:21:56.000 That's a PubMed.

00:21:57.000 There it is.

00:21:58.000 Remdesivir and acute renal failure.

00:22:00.000 A potential safety signal from disproportionately analysis of the WHO safety database.

00:22:07.000 Okay, so now we're talking.

00:22:09.000 You want to scroll down to conclusions?

00:22:11.000 So this is a PubMed study, so this is what I'm going to buy into.

00:22:15.000 No conclusion?

00:22:16.000 Just the abstract, huh?

00:22:17.000 Well, so, we don't know what it says.

00:22:20.000 See if you can find something else, Jamie.

00:22:22.000 But I will say, I've never heard of renal failure from COVID. That's insane.

00:22:25.000 I mean, if we were talking about COVID-19 can kill your kidneys, I think people would be freaking out a little bit more.

00:22:30.000 Maybe it kills kidneys in some people.

00:22:32.000 I mean, it has different reactions in different people.

00:22:34.000 Some people lose their sense of smell.

00:22:36.000 Some people don't feel anything from that. 1.00

00:22:39.000 It's a fucking weird disease, man. 0.99

00:22:41.000 It's weird. 0.99

00:22:44.000 I won't get too personal on the details, but...

00:22:48.000 The symptoms that I had, like, my veins felt like they were being stabbed.

00:22:53.000 Like, every vein in my body was, like, it's hard to explain.

00:22:56.000 Your veins felt like they were being stabbed.

00:22:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:58.000 This is the worst.

00:22:59.000 So, look, I've had, when I had the flu, I used to describe it, the flu was the worst thing I've ever experienced in terms of an illness.

00:23:04.000 I was, you know, 18. I'm sitting on my couch, shaking, shivering, pale.

00:23:09.000 I lost 10 pounds, like, in three days.

00:23:11.000 Just, like, I was, it was bad, the flu.

00:23:14.000 So, when I got COVID, it was a Wednesday.

00:23:17.000 I felt fine.

00:23:18.000 And I didn't know I had it because, you know, we had a scare, but we had four negative tests.

00:23:21.000 So we were like, it's probably a cold going around.

00:23:23.000 It's not COVID. And the negative tests you get with those, the over-the-counter kind?

00:23:26.000 Over-the-counter.

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 Those are wrong a lot.

00:23:29.000 Yep.

00:23:29.000 So the next day, that night I wake up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat, feeling like I'm getting sick.

00:23:34.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna be able to work tomorrow.

00:23:36.000 But it was from zero to 11. From like that Wednesday night, I couldn't eat.

00:23:41.000 I couldn't sleep.

00:23:43.000 So, you know, Friday I decided I was gonna call a doctor and see if maybe there's something I need to be doing, maybe I need sunlight, vitamin D, whatever they might recommend for this.

00:23:50.000 And I'm like, look, I'm healthy, 35, there's no way this is gonna get me down.

00:23:54.000 And the doctor said, this is where it gets crazy, the doctor said to me, I'll give you the short version.

00:24:00.000 We were talking.

00:24:00.000 They said, look, we don't prescribe anything for this.

00:24:03.000 You can come in for some tests.

00:24:04.000 And I said, is that necessary if you're not going to prescribe me anything?

00:24:07.000 And they were like, it's a virus.

00:24:08.000 Go home and go to sleep.

00:24:09.000 I said, I know it's controversial, but has ivermectin been something you guys have looked into?

00:24:16.000 And they said, ivermectin...

00:24:18.000 This is what they said to me.

00:24:18.000 Ivermectin has been shown to help many people who have COVID. And then they stopped.

00:24:23.000 And then I said...

00:24:25.000 Okay, is that something you guys are prescribing?

00:24:28.000 And they go, well, the FDA has not approved it.

00:24:31.000 And then they stop.

00:24:32.000 And then I say...

00:24:34.000 Oh, so is that something that I have to ask for?

00:24:37.000 Or is that something you recommend?

00:24:38.000 And they said, we will not prescribe it to you.

00:24:40.000 And I went, okay, but I'll be honest.

00:24:43.000 I wasn't, like I said, you know, I was like, I don't know if Ivermectin is the thing or not, and maybe I should just go home, go to bed.

00:24:50.000 That was Friday.

00:24:51.000 By Friday night, it had escalated so dramatically, the pain, the shortness of breath, and I was like, it's getting worse?

00:24:59.000 If it gets worse tonight, and the nights are when it is the worst, I'm going to be in the hospital.

00:25:04.000 And so that's why I was like, I need to ask somebody who's experienced this.

00:25:08.000 I hit you up and I was like, I don't know how sick you were.

00:25:12.000 I don't know what ideas you had.

00:25:14.000 Long story short, because I don't want to get into too much of the private details for me and my girlfriend and the people who got sick, but the next day I went and got the monoclonal antibodies, NAD and the vitamin drip, painkillers and ibuprofen.

00:25:26.000 Like, I was on drugs, man.

00:25:28.000 My fever went down.

00:25:29.000 My temperature went to normal.

00:25:30.000 I felt fine.

00:25:31.000 But that night was the worst I have ever experienced any kind of illness.

00:25:36.000 I was hallucinating.

00:25:37.000 I am not exaggerating.

00:25:38.000 I was delirious.

00:25:39.000 I was wandering around in absolute agony.

00:25:42.000 Nine out of ten in terms of pain.

00:25:43.000 I've had kidney stones before.

00:25:44.000 This is before or after the monoclonal antibodies?

00:25:47.000 So before it kicked in?

00:25:49.000 Right.

00:25:49.000 This is only a few hours after the entire treatment.

00:25:51.000 So it's in my body, but I haven't yet begun to, you know, it's probably beginning the process.

00:25:56.000 So essentially, you got it at the right time.

00:25:58.000 Because if you didn't get it then, you were probably going downhill fast.

00:26:01.000 I couldn't eat.

00:26:02.000 I couldn't sleep.

00:26:03.000 And I don't know exactly why.

00:26:05.000 I know they say Asians have more ACE2 receptors, and I'm part Asian, so that might play a factor.

00:26:11.000 Other people got the sniffles.

00:26:14.000 When I say I was delirious, I kid you not.

00:26:16.000 Waking dreams, walking around, just out of my mind.

00:26:19.000 But at 4 a.m., It was like all of a sudden I wasn't sick anymore.

00:26:24.000 And I'm in my living room and I'm looking around and the NAD kicks in and everything is crystal clear all of a sudden.

00:26:31.000 I'm like, I'm almost freaked out how my vision just was, HD vision was crazy.

00:26:37.000 And then I sit down on my couch and I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, no, no, no, I'm still sick.

00:26:41.000 I'm still sick.

00:26:42.000 I feel fine.

00:26:44.000 And so then I lay back, I put on House M.D., and I start, it's 4 a.m., and I'm just awake, fall asleep like a baby.

00:26:51.000 Well, not like a baby, because baby's crown night, but like a rock, boom.

00:26:54.000 Wake up in the morning, get up, and I'm just like, it's over! 0.99

00:26:57.000 I look out the window, and I think this is the NAD, I see all the leaves, I see all the trees, and I'm like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:27:03.000 It's just amazing. 0.96

00:27:05.000 It was incredible.

00:27:06.000 Well, I'm glad you called me.

00:27:08.000 You know, I'm glad we talked about it.

00:27:10.000 I'm glad I gave you the protocol that I followed.

00:27:12.000 I'm glad it worked for you.

00:27:13.000 And it's the same thing that I told the Aaron Rodgers.

00:27:15.000 And it's the only time, you know, we talked about this yesterday, but it's true.

00:27:18.000 It's the only time I can ever recall, ever, where a friend can say, hey, you got this disease.

00:27:26.000 I have it now.

00:27:27.000 What did you do to get better?

00:27:29.000 And I could say, oh, I did this, that, and this.

00:27:31.000 And then that's controversial.

00:27:33.000 But you know what was the best part? 0.95

00:27:34.000 Somehow or another, me telling you what to take and it working is controversial, which is fucking crazy. 0.80

00:27:39.000 My girlfriend loves this.

00:27:40.000 You posted that video from the Australian sketch or whatever of the guy dying, and she's like, it's an EpiPen.

00:27:47.000 He's like, what's in it?

00:27:47.000 And then he goes, call Joe!

00:27:49.000 And my girlfriend watches that, and she's like, you called Joe.

00:27:53.000 And I was like, yeah, that's it.

00:27:55.000 But you're right.

00:27:57.000 It was a propaganda video on some goofy sketch show where they were saying, what does Joe Rogan think while this guy's dying and not willing to take an EpiPen?

00:28:08.000 Right, right, right.

00:28:09.000 But it was kind of ironic.

00:28:12.000 But like you said, look, we're friends. 0.88

00:28:15.000 I knew you were sick.

00:28:17.000 I knew you had this regiment done or whatever.

00:28:20.000 I was sick for a day.

00:28:22.000 Yeah, man.

00:28:23.000 Literally.

00:28:23.000 I was sick for one day.

00:28:24.000 For one day, and then I got the monoclonal antibodies and all the IV drips and everything like that.

00:28:29.000 And the next day, I felt pretty good.

00:28:30.000 And then two days later, on Wednesday, so I'm sick on Monday.

00:28:34.000 On Wednesday, I made that video that went viral.

00:28:37.000 And then by the time Friday rolled around, Thursday, I was getting negative tests on over-the-counter tests.

00:28:43.000 And then Friday, it was negative on, you know, standard tests.

00:28:47.000 I got the treatment on Saturday, but then I didn't take the test until Friday and I was negative.

00:28:52.000 So maybe it was earlier, I don't know.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, maybe, but the point is, the next day, I was working out again.

00:28:58.000 I mean, I felt fine.

00:28:59.000 Two days after that, I did ten rounds in the back.

00:29:02.000 Like, I literally felt fine.

00:29:04.000 Me too. 0.98

00:29:05.000 I caught it early, and also, I fucking... 0.98

00:29:07.000 I exercise all the time. 0.98

00:29:09.000 I work out all the time.

00:29:10.000 I take vitamins every day.

00:29:12.000 I eat well.

00:29:13.000 I watch my health.

00:29:15.000 And that's the difference.

00:29:17.000 And this is something that people, for whatever reason, they want a one-size-fits-all approach to COVID. Yeah, well, there's actually, I guess, big news on that.

00:29:25.000 The vaccine mandate was just suspended outright by OSHA. Well, it's not legal.

00:29:30.000 Right.

00:29:30.000 It's unconstitutional.

00:29:32.000 So to be able to say, now, here's the problem. 0.98

00:29:34.000 Joe Biden, in his fucking infinite dementia, has decided to tell people to ignore that, and you should still enforce the mandate. 0.97

00:29:43.000 Now, the problem with that is if these companies do that, and people get vaccine injured, and they will. 0.99

00:29:48.000 Some people will.

00:29:49.000 It's not a large percentage, but some people are going to suffer some sort of a vaccine injury.

00:29:55.000 Those people now will have the door open to sue the company.

00:29:59.000 Will they, though?

00:30:00.000 Yes, they will.

00:30:00.000 They won't.

00:30:03.000 No.

00:30:11.000 Drummer of the Offspring.

00:30:12.000 I believe he's their second drummer.

00:30:14.000 He was kicked out of the band.

00:30:15.000 He was fired because he had Guillain-Barre syndrome and could not get the vaccine.

00:30:19.000 Right.

00:30:20.000 So when I was a kid, the Offspring was my favorite band.

00:30:23.000 I can play a bunch of their songs, all their big hits.

00:30:27.000 And Ron Welty was their first drummer.

00:30:29.000 So I'm a fan of this band.

00:30:30.000 And then Pete Parada came in.

00:30:31.000 I think this was in the early 2000s.

00:30:32.000 And he plays with them for over a decade, almost two decades, or however long it's been.

00:30:35.000 I'm not entirely sure when he joined the band.

00:30:37.000 They fired him because he's medically unable to get a vaccine.

00:30:41.000 And it's like remorseless.

00:30:43.000 I don't know if you're right.

00:30:45.000 I think part of the problem is the deal that he has with the promoters and the venues.

00:30:50.000 Like you have to be vaccinated for a lot of these venues.

00:30:53.000 Right.

00:30:53.000 That's what it is.

00:30:54.000 So if he was non-vaccinated, and again, it's not logical, right?

00:30:59.000 If he's non-vaccinated, and he went to these places, they might kick him out and not allow him to perform.

00:31:06.000 There's places I can't perform.

00:31:08.000 You know, New York has an exemption for performers.

00:31:10.000 Yeah, I went there.

00:31:11.000 They tried to make an exemption against my exemption.

00:31:15.000 Because I went there and I did Madison Square Garden.

00:31:18.000 And then afterwards, a senator introduced a bill specifically with my name attached to it, saying people like Joe Rogan should not be able to come into our state and into our city and be unvaccinated and perform in New York City.

00:31:31.000 Wow, man. 1.00

00:31:32.000 Fucking twats. 1.00

00:31:33.000 But going back to what Biden was saying with the White House, where it was the deputy press secretary who said... 0.99

00:31:39.000 Yes, the courts have suspended this, but proceed anyway.

00:31:43.000 Now, OSHA, I believe it was yesterday, issued an official statement on their website due to the Fifth Circuit Court ruling putting a stay.

00:31:50.000 We have suspended all implementation enforcement of the vaccine mandate.

00:31:55.000 Well, they have to.

00:31:56.000 I mean, it's clearly unconstitutional.

00:31:59.000 And then when you take into account the fact that so many people do have natural immunity and that natural immunity is more effective.

00:32:06.000 It's better for you.

00:32:07.000 The CDC was actually forced to admit recently that they do not have recorded cases of some...

00:32:15.000 No, I'll give you the exact specifics of this.

00:32:18.000 I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's an interesting statement, like what they said.

00:32:24.000 Something like people who've recovered from COVID have never transmitted or something?

00:32:28.000 Yes.

00:32:28.000 I don't know if that's true, though.

00:32:30.000 There's a big difference between something being true and something not being on record.

00:32:39.000 So it says the CDC does not recognize natural immunity.

00:32:43.000 So a lawyer asked them under Freedom of Information Act to provide cases where someone recovered from COVID, got infected again, and then transmitted it.

00:32:53.000 The CDC's response was, we did not find any such case.

00:32:57.000 But that doesn't mean that that hasn't happened.

00:32:59.000 It just means it hasn't been recorded.

00:33:01.000 Because a lot of these cases are not being recorded.

00:33:05.000 How many people are getting COVID and giving it to people and they're not recording that?

00:33:10.000 It's a lot.

00:33:11.000 A lot of them are not recording it.

00:33:12.000 Well, let's talk about some of these facts that come up with the vaccine mandates.

00:33:15.000 We hear a lot that we've always had mandates, which is actually not true.

00:33:20.000 It's a technicality.

00:33:21.000 We have mandates at schools for kids, but public school is optional.

00:33:25.000 You can take your kid to a private school or home school, and there's medical and religious exemptions.

00:33:29.000 And they like to cite this ruling from 1905 in the Supreme Court, where the Supreme Court ruled that you could mandate someone get a vaccine, but if the penalty was a $5 fine.

00:33:40.000 A guy said, I won't pay it.

00:33:41.000 And they said, harumph.

00:33:43.000 And then they sued him saying he owes us the money for not getting this vaccine.

00:33:46.000 Under the pretext of this ruling, I forget the name of it, they actually said if the government has the right to mandate medical procedures, we can sterilize invalids.

00:33:54.000 We can sterilize dullards. 1.00

00:33:57.000 And they actually, I believe, tens of thousands of women got sterilized under that pretext.

00:34:01.000 So since then, we've been like, hey, maybe that's not a good idea.

00:34:03.000 The government can mandate a permanent, irreversible medical procedure.

00:34:07.000 What does the vaccine have to do with sterilizing people?

00:34:09.000 Why are they connected?

00:34:10.000 The argument, I guess, was there was a smallpox outbreak in the early 1900s, and it was in Massachusetts.

00:34:16.000 I think it was in Boston.

00:34:18.000 They said, everyone has to get the vaccine for smallpox.

00:34:21.000 And this Swedish guy says, you can't make me do this.

00:34:24.000 They said, well, then we're going to fine you five bucks, which is the equivalent to 150 bucks today.

00:34:29.000 He says, I'm not going to pay it.

00:34:31.000 You can't make me pay it.

00:34:34.000 We're good to go.

00:34:50.000 The problem is that this vaccine is not really a vaccine.

00:34:54.000 It's only a vaccine by definition.

00:34:56.000 They're calling it a vaccine.

00:34:58.000 It is a gene treatment, and that's why it doesn't last.

00:35:00.000 I mean, it literally only lasts a few months.

00:35:03.000 That's why you have to get boosters.

00:35:05.000 I mean, this is the whole premise behind all the boosters and all this stuff.

00:35:10.000 Literally, the best thing that someone could do is get vaccinated and then get COVID because the vaccine protects you from serious injury, serious damage from COVID, and then you get the sickness and then you have the real robust immunity that comes naturally.

00:35:25.000 The fact that natural immunity is superior...

00:35:29.000 But yet, it's not recognized in California, where you have to vaccine to do everything except go to a grocery store now.

00:35:35.000 It's in LA. LA is a fucking hot mess right now. 0.98

00:35:39.000 Have you seen Austria? 1.00

00:35:40.000 It's really bad. 0.96

00:35:40.000 Yeah, Austria's crazy. 0.96

00:35:41.000 You can't leave your house.

00:35:42.000 Well, if you're unvaccinated.

00:35:45.000 Right.

00:35:45.000 If you're vaccinated, you have full range.

00:35:48.000 It's just coercion.

00:35:49.000 In Slovenia, they're forcing people to get a vaccine if you want to get gas.

00:35:54.000 You have to show a vaccine card to pump gas.

00:35:56.000 It's all a hustle, but it's all the vaccine companies and the manufacturers influencing these politicians, the politicians then making these decisions based on the influence that these pharmaceutical drug companies have over them, and that's the only reason why they would do this.

00:36:12.000 Otherwise, you could test people for antibodies.

00:36:14.000 We tested you for antibodies today.

00:36:16.000 It takes 30 seconds.

00:36:18.000 It literally takes 30 seconds.

00:36:19.000 I have a video of me doing it.

00:36:21.000 I guess the question is, which nightmare dystopia is this?

00:36:24.000 Is it 1984 or is it Brave New World?

00:36:27.000 It's a new one.

00:36:28.000 It's a new one that's based entirely on the influence that enormous, enormously profitable pharmaceutical companies have over politicians.

00:36:36.000 You saw that video where it's like, the news brought to you by Pfizer.

00:36:39.000 Yeah, I put it on my Instagram.

00:36:41.000 It's on my Instagram.

00:36:42.000 Did you find anything about remdesivir?

00:36:44.000 Just the same stuff.

00:36:45.000 So that one PubMed article about renal failure, I guarantee you I read something that was talking about high instances of kidney failure due to remdesivir, and they were actually talking about the mechanism involved in kidney failure,

00:37:01.000 and that was one of the reasons why they stopped prescribing it.

00:37:03.000 It was one of the earliest prescribed drugs.

00:37:06.000 I found stuff about that.

00:37:07.000 I found stuff about kidney failure, but when it comes to the COVID-19 and mixing those things, like adding that to it, nothing was found to be proven.

00:37:20.000 But you found things on kidney failure and remdesivir.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, outcomes of COVID-19 among patients with end-stage renal studies on remdesivir.

00:37:28.000 And at the end of this, it says there's no big difference between the people that were on it and the people that were not on it.

00:37:33.000 It's so hard to tell.

00:37:34.000 It is weird that remdesivir kind of fell out of focus because it was a big deal.

00:37:38.000 Not just fell out of focus.

00:37:39.000 Literally, it's been silenced.

00:37:42.000 You don't hear a peep about it.

00:37:43.000 But that was one of the things that Fauci was touting very early on.

00:37:46.000 So what do they say?

00:37:48.000 They say Ivermectin is a protease inhibitor.

00:37:50.000 Yes.

00:37:51.000 And now Merck, who manufactures large quantities of Ivermectin, has announced they have their own protease inhibitor to go to market.

00:37:57.000 Well, Merck was the original inventor of Ivermectin.

00:38:01.000 Merck was the original distributor and the manufacturer of it, but it became a generic drug.

00:38:06.000 That's the problem with Ivermectin.

00:38:08.000 The problem with Ivermectin is literally anybody can make it, and you make it for like 30 cents a dose.

00:38:13.000 It's not profitable.

00:38:14.000 So the problem is, if you don't have a patent on it, and it's not profitable, then there's no incentive whatsoever for these companies to say, like, hey, forget about all those billions and billions of dollars that we're making off of this stuff. 0.90

00:38:26.000 We got this shit for you that's generic, and you can just take it. 0.91

00:38:30.000 That just shows you that this is a for-profit... 1.00

00:38:34.000 Endeavor. 0.99

00:38:35.000 And the amount of profit that's been generated by these pharmaceutical drug companies during this crisis from selling vaccines is fucking crazy. 0.92

00:38:43.000 Which is why it's terrifying that they're now trying to give it to children. 0.86

00:38:47.000 Yeah.

00:38:48.000 And they're trying to say that children need it.

00:38:50.000 When they don't, they don't need it.

00:38:51.000 The children, they keep saying, 700 children have died from COVID. The children that have died from COVID, without exception, any that I've read, almost all of them, let's say that to be safe, almost all of them had severe comorbidities.

00:39:07.000 They had leukemia, they had cancer, there was something seriously wrong with them, and they died of COVID. They were amazingly obese, whatever it was.

00:39:18.000 It's not a disease that is very dangerous for most healthy young kids.

00:39:24.000 It's not.

00:39:25.000 Did you see that there's a big scandal where, I think it was Walgreens and a few other pharmacies were giving hundreds of children adult-sized doses.

00:39:32.000 Yes. 0.99

00:39:32.000 Well, these kids are fucked, you know, because these kids have serious heart palpitations now. 0.99

00:39:39.000 What's that? 1.00

00:39:40.000 It's really hard to know what's true when—man, we're fucked. 1.00

00:39:46.000 The media lies. 1.00

00:39:47.000 We know they lie.

00:39:48.000 They lie way too much.

00:39:49.000 If they don't lie, they get things wrong, for sure.

00:39:51.000 Exactly.

00:39:52.000 Now, I look at—when I do my show, I use mainstream media sources all the time, but I have to dig up to like 10 and find the source material.

00:39:59.000 Where did it come from and do I trust it?

00:40:00.000 It's not easy, and the average person can't do it.

00:40:02.000 But, you know, I'm hearing rumors about, like, all these football players who have had, like, heart incidents or, you know, events, they call it.

00:40:09.000 Soccer players.

00:40:10.000 Soccer players.

00:40:11.000 There's a lot of soccer players.

00:40:12.000 Did I say football?

00:40:13.000 You did say football.

00:40:14.000 Okay, sorry, I meant European.

00:40:15.000 Yeah, European football.

00:40:16.000 Because it's like an international thing.

00:40:17.000 Right.

00:40:17.000 And someone sent me this viral video.

00:40:20.000 It's like a collage of all these news reports.

00:40:22.000 I've seen videos like this before.

00:40:23.000 And so I'm like, I don't know if people made these fake stories up.

00:40:26.000 But I Google them and I end up finding the exact articles.

00:40:28.000 And there's a large amount of these soccer players who have just fallen down in the field and been carried out and stuff like that.

00:40:34.000 I don't know what that's from, though.

00:40:36.000 Well, for some people, it causes myocarditis and pericarditis.

00:40:40.000 That's a fact.

00:40:42.000 Do you remember when it started back in January, there was a bunch of the videos of people just falling over in the street in China?

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 I never saw those.

00:40:48.000 That's sort of like how this started.

00:40:50.000 I never saw those. 0.97

00:40:50.000 What the fuck happened to people falling over in the street? 0.97

00:40:52.000 Yeah, well, maybe, but I mean, the thing about athletes is more interesting because these athletes obviously are in tip-top magoo shape and then they're running around this field. 0.99

00:41:01.000 Well, if you're doing a soccer player.

00:41:02.000 What?

00:41:03.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:41:04.000 No, I know, but soccer players are known for faking injuries and getting carried off.

00:41:07.000 No, no, no.

00:41:07.000 You could smash cut.

00:41:08.000 You could edit videos to look weird.

00:41:09.000 I'm sorry.

00:41:10.000 But, Jamie, they're falling down as they're running.

00:41:12.000 They're collapsing.

00:41:13.000 They're having heart attacks.

00:41:15.000 They're taking them to the hospital.

00:41:17.000 This is not speculation.

00:41:19.000 And there's a better example.

00:41:20.000 There's a professional mountain biker, I think.

00:41:22.000 Have you heard of this story?

00:41:23.000 He made an Instagram video saying that he got pericarditis from the vaccine and it ended his career.

00:41:28.000 And then he got attacked so relentlessly for that.

00:41:31.000 He made a video crying.

00:41:33.000 I think he was saying he became suicidal because everyone hates him.

00:41:37.000 His career is over.

00:41:38.000 There's no recovery from this.

00:41:40.000 That's the weird thing.

00:41:41.000 There's so many nutty people that are just so pro-vaccine.

00:41:45.000 They went after Eric Clapton for talking about his vaccine injury and calling him a vile anti-vaxxer in the LA Times.

00:41:53.000 He is vaccinated.

00:41:56.000 He got vaccinated and he took both doses.

00:41:59.000 He had a bad reaction to the first dose and he had a horrible reaction to the second dose.

00:42:03.000 And just him talking about it made the LA Times write a horrible article about him.

00:42:08.000 What's up with the media?

00:42:10.000 That's how they make money. 0.52

00:42:12.000 They know that people are scared, especially in LA. There's so many people that are terrified.

00:42:17.000 That if you say something that is anti the narrative, when the narrative is vaccines are safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective, for the most part, yeah, for the most part, but a certain percentage of the people that take them get like a serious heart problem.

00:42:35.000 That's a real.

00:42:36.000 Here's my idea.

00:42:37.000 Here's what I tell people.

00:42:38.000 If you work for a company that mandates the vaccine, Get a simple legal letter drafted that says, you know, I undersigned, assume all liability for this permanent and irreversible medical procedure as a requirement of the job of, you know, employee.

00:42:51.000 See if they'll sign it.

00:42:53.000 Because I assure you, those employers are going to say, I'm not going to sign that.

00:42:55.000 They're just going to fire you.

00:42:56.000 They'll fire you.

00:42:56.000 And then you have to go through court.

00:42:58.000 And right now, I mean, especially if you go to a liberal court, there's so many people that they're so connected to that narrative.

00:43:06.000 The narrative is the vaccines are safe and effective, and if you don't agree with the vaccine, you're an anti-vaxxer.

00:43:12.000 They've even changed the definition of what an anti-vaxxer is to someone who's against mandates.

00:43:18.000 That's right.

00:43:19.000 And they also, well, the CDC changed the definition of vaccine too, right?

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:22.000 That means you and I are vaccinated.

00:43:24.000 Really?

00:43:24.000 Yep.

00:43:25.000 When did they change that?

00:43:26.000 No, they didn't.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, the CDC has an article that says a vaccination is, it used to say something like, it was very specific to the adenovirus vaccines, where a small weakened or, you know, dead virus is introduced.

00:43:41.000 Now it says it's a chemical that triggers an immune response or something to this effect.

00:43:46.000 Fact check me for sure, for sure.

00:43:48.000 They don't say that we're vaccinated, dude.

00:43:50.000 Well, I know literally, but the monoclonal antibodies, according to a study, I think the CDC confirmed this, is eight months of protection at 82% efficacy.

00:44:01.000 And that's actually better than Pfizer and Moderna.

00:44:03.000 So if they effectively do the same thing, because that's how they describe a vaccine, then why can't I stand vaccinated?

00:44:09.000 Well, you know, they're doing that to people, what you're saying.

00:44:12.000 They're doing that to people who did not test positive for COVID. So imagine you're in a high-risk job, but they can give you the monoclonal antibodies with no COVID in your system at all, and then you have this immense protection.

00:44:24.000 You are correct.

00:44:24.000 That's right.

00:44:25.000 So if you had it and then got it, you've got superimmunity, I guess.

00:44:29.000 Right.

00:44:29.000 Exactly.

00:44:30.000 That's the idea.

00:44:31.000 Why can't I say?

00:44:33.000 Because it's not a real narrative. 1.00

00:44:37.000 It's a bullshit narrative. 0.98

00:44:38.000 It's not based on objective analysis of the information that's at hand. 1.00

00:44:42.000 It's based on, you gotta take the vaccine, because they're influencing politicians.

00:44:48.000 They're influencing all these people.

00:44:50.000 They're influencing the media. 0.99

00:44:52.000 When brought to you by Pfizer, the idea that that doesn't have any impact whatsoever in the way they talk about the news is fucking absurd. 0.89

00:44:59.000 And that's why they don't care if you have better protection naturally.

00:45:04.000 It's a binary approach.

00:45:06.000 You must take the vaccine.

00:45:08.000 One of my biggest pet peeves, I guess, is because, you know, on my show, for instance, we have this argument all the time about efficacy and vaccines and stuff.

00:45:15.000 And I got to a point where I was like, yo, are we going to actually debate the policy, the politics?

00:45:19.000 Because I can tell you this.

00:45:19.000 I'm not a doctor.

00:45:20.000 I'm not a scientist.

00:45:21.000 I can't tell you the nitty-gritty details of enzyme and protease.

00:45:25.000 And these are words I read in an article.

00:45:26.000 But I am, I think, fair to say an expert on being free.

00:45:29.000 You know, I mean that somewhat facetiously, but...

00:45:31.000 If we're going to talk about how we handle this, I think it's simple.

00:45:34.000 The government can't mandate medical procedures.

00:45:36.000 Have a nice day.

00:45:37.000 We get into these arguments often, and I think it's good to discuss efficacy.

00:45:41.000 It's good to discuss vaccine injury and all this stuff.

00:45:44.000 Absolutely.

00:45:44.000 But I also think it's important to bring back, hey, how about, I don't care if it's a flu shot, an appendectomy, or a COVID vaccine.

00:45:53.000 The government should not mandate, as a requirement for public accommodation, you undergo an irreversible medical procedure.

00:45:59.000 Absolutely.

00:45:59.000 Especially when it's someone like Fauci, who's somehow or another tied into these companies.

00:46:06.000 It's not as simple as this guy has no one influencing him.

00:46:12.000 It's not the case.

00:46:13.000 And also with Gates.

00:46:16.000 The fact that Bill Gates is prominently featured in the news, talking constantly about vaccines. 1.00

00:46:24.000 You want to flip your shit? 1.00

00:46:40.000 We're good to go. 1.00

00:46:53.000 So this triggered a lockdown at the laboratory.

00:46:56.000 No one knows so far.

00:46:59.000 They don't know what's in the vials.

00:47:00.000 Is it actually smallpox?

00:47:01.000 But why is it smallpox?

00:47:02.000 So I don't I, you know, when the FDA approves a drug to treat weaponized smallpox, you have to ask yourself why they fear smallpox if it's been eradicated and only exists in government facilities in the Russia and U.S. And why is Bill Gates warning about smallpox terrorism?

00:47:20.000 Right then.

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:21.000 It's been only a few days after Bill Gates said this.

00:47:24.000 They find vials labeled smallpox.

00:47:27.000 Look.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, it's real sketchy.

00:47:29.000 Could be nothing, but...

00:47:30.000 Yeah, it's sketchy.

00:47:31.000 Bill Gates also invested, I believe it was $50 million in...

00:47:36.000 Look this up.

00:47:39.000 BioNTech, September 2019. So he invested a large sum of money in the company that manufactures these vaccines literally when the pandemic broke out in Wuhan.

00:47:53.000 Like when the first cases were seen in Wuhan, they believe they'd narrowed that down to September of 2019. That is specifically when Bill Gates Dumped a bunch of money in there.

00:48:05.000 BioNTech announces new collaborations to develop HIV and tuberculosis programs.

00:48:10.000 So $100 million in total funding.

00:48:14.000 The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation invests $55 million in infectious disease collaboration that could reach up to $100 million in total funding. 0.95

00:48:23.000 And they did that in September right before the shit hit the fan. 0.94

00:48:29.000 Now, does that mean that he had information that there was a breakout? 0.99

00:48:34.000 No.

00:48:34.000 But look, they did discuss this.

00:48:37.000 And, you know, Fauci was seen discussing these things.

00:48:44.000 Like, I'll send you a video. 0.99

00:48:46.000 Jamie, because I'm talking out of my ass right now. 0.98

00:48:49.000 But they were talking about trying to find new ways to encourage people to take flu vaccines. 0.98

00:48:56.000 And they need some sort of a novel approach to do that.

00:49:00.000 University of Denver has mandated the flu vaccine.

00:49:03.000 University of Denver has.

00:49:04.000 I believe.

00:49:06.000 We had an article published on my site about it.

00:49:09.000 I think that's the obvious next step.

00:49:11.000 That universities mandate it, but I think they're already doing that, aren't they?

00:49:15.000 No, I just mean that if you can mandate COVID vaccines, you can mandate all of them.

00:49:19.000 Yes.

00:49:20.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 I mean, I think that's where the profit lies, right?

00:49:24.000 In mandating vaccines.

00:49:26.000 Because if you have 100 million people and you have 100 million doses of vaccine and you force these people to take that, that's just sheer profit. 0.99

00:49:34.000 It's fucking crazy, man. 0.98

00:49:36.000 It's a lot. 1.00

00:49:36.000 It's pretty wild, man. 1.00

00:49:38.000 I mean, it really is.

00:49:39.000 It's weird to watch it all happen.

00:49:41.000 You hear about the research the NIAID was funding on the beagles?

00:49:46.000 Yes, I did.

00:49:47.000 It's horrible.

00:49:48.000 So actually, you know, self-promotion, we just published an exclusive on timcast.com.

00:49:55.000 Fauci had been funding, or I should say the NIAID has been funding maximum pain research on primates in, I believe it's an island off South Carolina, where they basically induce as much pain as possible to see how these animals react.

00:50:10.000 And we're getting these stories.

00:50:12.000 You know, we published this.

00:50:13.000 You have the Beagle story.

00:50:15.000 But there is a very serious question about the limitations of science, the ethics of it.

00:50:20.000 The thing is...

00:50:22.000 We have greatly benefited from animal experimentation to a horrifying degree as what we do to these animals.

00:50:28.000 And a lot of people are happy to just live their lives and not knowing anything about it.

00:50:33.000 I wonder what impact it will have now that we're discovering pain research and bot fly research on beagles or whatever.

00:50:40.000 Is that going to result in people actually saying, you know, we would rather have less scientific progress on these things if it means we're not torturing animals to this degree?

00:50:49.000 Well, the thing is, there's not a lot of oversight, so people don't hear about it.

00:50:53.000 Here, I found it.

00:50:55.000 I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.

00:50:57.000 The problem is, it's like, who is informing people of all these experiments while they're happening?

00:51:06.000 Very few people are actually getting informed of them.

00:51:10.000 You find out later.

00:51:12.000 You know, someone has to be a whistleblower.

00:51:14.000 But meanwhile, the studies are ongoing.

00:51:16.000 So it's not like there's clear oversight and it's not like the public gets to vote on what they think is ethical or what they don't think is ethical.

00:51:24.000 When they think that studies need to be done in order to prevent some sort of an outbreak or save people from something, and then they do these studies, whether it's on primates or beagles or whatever, you really don't hear about it until after it's happened.

00:51:36.000 Right.

00:51:37.000 Or, I mean, to be honest, you never hear about it.

00:51:39.000 You just benefit from the research.

00:51:40.000 Watch this video, because this is kind of crazy.

00:51:42.000 Why don't we blow this system up?

00:51:44.000 I mean, obviously, we can't just turn off the spigot on the system we have and then say, hey, everyone in the world should get this new vaccine we've been given to This is universal flu vaccine they're talking about.

00:51:56.000 In order to make the transition from getting out of the tried and true Egg growing, which we know gives us results that can be,

00:52:11.000 you know, beneficial.

00:52:13.000 I mean, we've done well with that, to something that has to be much better.

00:52:18.000 You have to prove that this works, and then you've got to go through all of the clinical trials, phase ones, phase twos, phase three, and then show that this particular product is going to be good over a period of years.

00:52:33.000 That alone, if it works perfectly, It's going to take a decade.

00:52:38.000 There might be a need or even an urgent call for an entity of excitement out there that's completely disruptive, that's not beholden to bureaucratic strings and processes.

00:52:52.000 So we really do have a problem of how the world perceives influenza and it's going to be very difficult to change that unless you do it from within and say, I don't care what your perception is, we're going to address the problem in a disruptive way and in an iterative way,

00:53:10.000 because you do need both.

00:53:11.000 But it is not too crazy to think that an outbreak of a novel avian virus could occur in China somewhere.

00:53:19.000 We could get the RNA sequence from that, beam it to a number of regional centers, if not local, if not even in your home at some point, and print those vaccines on a patch and self-admitted. 0.99

00:53:33.000 You want to hear some shit? 0.96

00:53:35.000 The second guy speaking, Rick Bright, he was the, I think it's a director of BARDA. BARDA is who made the weaponized smallpox drug. 1.00

00:53:43.000 Jesus Christ.

00:53:45.000 It's the way that guy's talking.

00:53:47.000 The way these guys talk about...

00:53:50.000 Trying to trick people into or convince people into taking these things and to be disruptive and to say, you know, we're gonna...

00:53:59.000 I mean, it's just the admission that to do it correctly takes 10 years.

00:54:05.000 That's why the emergency use authorization was required to get this vaccine promoted so quickly.

00:54:12.000 In any other circumstance, something that's this controversial and then also something that has caused this many deaths would have been pulled off the market.

00:54:21.000 If there's any other pharmaceutical drug that killed, I mean, what does the VAERS report say currently?

00:54:29.000 Like, what's the number of deaths that are attributed to the vaccine today, currently?

00:54:33.000 I've heard 17,000, but I don't know if that's true.

00:54:35.000 Well, let's find out.

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 What's the number of injured, the number of deaths, the number of people with myocarditis?

00:54:44.000 All that stuff is recorded.

00:54:46.000 Now, it's underreported.

00:54:49.000 What is the number that it's underreported?

00:54:50.000 We don't know.

00:54:51.000 And then there's also people can report things that aren't totally accurate.

00:54:55.000 So we need to find out what's the accuracy, even though it's reported.

00:55:02.000 Is it true?

00:55:03.000 I don't know.

00:55:04.000 The one thing to consider is what I call the scaling problem.

00:55:07.000 If we give out 330 million vaccines and 17,000 people die, it sounds like a decently high percentage to be like, holy shit, maybe we shouldn't do that. 0.74

00:55:16.000 But if we give out, you know... 0.95

00:55:18.000 200 million vaccines.

00:55:21.000 But less, potentially less.

00:55:22.000 17,000 people die.

00:55:23.000 Right, right.

00:55:24.000 So the way I usually explain it is if you give out 100 smartphones to a bunch of celebrities and 1% fail, one celebrity says my phone broke, nobody bats an eye.

00:55:35.000 You give out 100 million smartphones and 1% fail, the same margin of error, you now have a million people online posting how their phones are broken and people will perceive that as a very serious threat or the product is not good.

00:55:47.000 Right.

00:55:47.000 So it's hard when 330 million doses, and now that the boosters, it's going to be 400 million.

00:55:53.000 Right.

00:55:53.000 And then they also feel like with some people, the boosters will compound the potential negative side effects.

00:55:59.000 Have you heard?

00:56:00.000 I mean, everybody, all these lefties are posting that the booster shot was the worst they've experienced yet.

00:56:05.000 Yeah.

00:56:06.000 I like how you say lefties, because you're a far right guy.

00:56:08.000 Because I'm far right.

00:56:09.000 Well, I mean, right wingers- You shouldn't even say that.

00:56:11.000 Well, but look, like I'll say, you know, the right says this, the left says this, but, you know, I have...

00:56:16.000 What are you?

00:56:16.000 What do you consider yourself?

00:56:19.000 You know, you want to know my real politics.

00:56:21.000 I want to know your fake politics.

00:56:23.000 My fake politics are, um, I'm an astronaut.

00:56:26.000 I mean, no, uh, like my actual core ideals.

00:56:28.000 When I say real politics, like when it comes to policy, which we don't discuss that often, I'm decently far left.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, that's what's ridiculous about them calling you far right.

00:56:36.000 But far right and left, what do they even mean? 1.00

00:56:39.000 It's just talking points so that people can get people to click on things because it makes you look like an asshole. 1.00

00:56:43.000 So if they say far right podcaster Tim Pool is the new poster boy for Ivermectin, that's like, oh, what an asshole. 1.00

00:56:51.000 Let me click on this guy's shit. 1.00

00:56:53.000 I can actually break down my politics. 1.00

00:56:56.000 I believe in the truth. 1.00

00:56:58.000 I think the establishment is trash. 0.55

00:57:18.000 So Locals was started by Dave Rubin, and I'll probably get some of the details wrong, because I'm not trying to get it wrong to disparage Dave or anything, but Patreon bans a bunch of people, and abruptly, and it scares people because Patreon is where podcasters and personalities get subscription revenue to live their lives. 0.96

00:57:37.000 So Dave announces he's starting his own version, which will, you know, you'll control your data and you'll control your rules.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, Bridget Phetasy's on it. 1.00

00:57:45.000 Right.

00:57:46.000 Michael Malice and Tulsi Gabbard.

00:57:48.000 A lot of people sign up for this and use this service, same as they would Patreon.

00:57:52.000 Dave Rubin sold the company to Rumble, which is the video platform.

00:57:56.000 I like Rumble.

00:57:57.000 I like locals.

00:57:59.000 However, that made me angry.

00:58:03.000 We did a segment on this on my show where we discussed the politics of what Dave Rubin did.

00:58:08.000 Why did it make you angry?

00:58:09.000 I fully respect enterprise, free market capitalism, and that Dave's perspective was, if people need a service, I will provide it and make myself some money and sell it.

00:58:19.000 So what's the problem?

00:58:20.000 I'm a lefty.

00:58:21.000 I believe that the immediate approach should have been, when this problem occurred and people were getting censored, a decentralized technology that is uncensorable that we give to the people for free.

00:58:30.000 I understand it's not easy just to make free things, but my immediate reaction was to start a non-profit, which we have, called the Ahn Foundation.

00:58:37.000 Where we have been building out a decentralized, open source networking technology.

00:58:43.000 We will give you the program to install on your own server or a hosted server, whatever you want to do.

00:58:48.000 You press enter and boom, you have your own subscription website instantly.

00:58:53.000 We are streamlining it for free because I look at it like if the powers that be in the elites can control our thoughts and control what we have to say...

00:59:02.000 Creating a new Patreon won't solve that problem.

00:59:04.000 Right, but isn't Rumble committed to free speech?

00:59:07.000 That is basically the premise of their platform.

00:59:10.000 And then they sell to whatever company or the leadership changes.

00:59:13.000 If they do that.

00:59:14.000 I like Rumble.

00:59:15.000 I use Rumble.

00:59:16.000 But the issue I see here is there is a weakness that can strip away the rights of the people...

00:59:21.000 Through private centralization of these platforms.

00:59:24.000 And so my view as someone who leans more towards decentralized authority and it's more of a lefty position is I'm not going to profit off of the fact that people are having their ideas and they're censored.

00:59:36.000 Is decentralization a lefty opinion?

00:59:39.000 Because it seems like an opinion of people that just don't want to be controlled by any kind of corporations.

00:59:45.000 There's a – decentralization absolutely exists on the right.

00:59:48.000 If you're like an anarcho-capitalist or libertarian, you believe in free market solutions.

00:59:52.000 So it's not fair to say universally just like, oh, the left is more for decentralization.

00:59:57.000 But it's more so like a – I believe all of the people should hold in their hands the keys to the software to never be censored versus a private enterprise can make it and then sell it.

01:00:09.000 So that's more of like, yeah, we had a big conversation.

01:00:12.000 Look, all due respect to locals and to Rumble because I think it's absolutely phenomenal they exist.

01:00:18.000 The competition is very important.

01:00:19.000 But for me, I'm like, in 10 years and 15 years and 20 years, the same problems will exist.

01:00:25.000 And I'll be completely honest.

01:00:26.000 I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I firmly believe Dave Rubin on Locals would absolutely ban.

01:00:33.000 There's probably a hundred names I could say off.

01:00:35.000 I'm not going to say he would ban them in two seconds.

01:00:37.000 Why? 0.96

01:00:37.000 White nationalists. 0.96

01:00:39.000 I don't believe Dave Rubin would allow white nationalists to profit off of locals. 0.76

01:00:43.000 He would get annihilated in the press, and then he'd have to intervene in some way.

01:00:48.000 Investors.

01:00:49.000 I'm assuming he has investors.

01:00:50.000 I believe he got a big round of funding.

01:00:51.000 You think these investors, wherever they're from, are going to be like, we appreciate that the white nationalists have found a new home base on his platform.

01:00:57.000 Is that the slip Because when the ACLU was established, one of the things that they did initially was to defend Nazis and the ability that Nazis have for free speech.

01:01:07.000 And that was a big controversial point because a lot of people were like, why would you ever defend Nazis?

01:01:16.000 And their position is that we are not defending Nazis' position.

01:01:19.000 We are defending their ability to speak.

01:01:22.000 Because if you do not defend their ability to have free speech, then it will not be available to everybody else as well.

01:01:29.000 You'll find a way.

01:01:31.000 You can find exceptions and exemptions.

01:01:32.000 You'll find a way to limit free speech across the board.

01:01:35.000 And we're seeing that.

01:01:37.000 I agree 100%.

01:01:38.000 And that was back when we had the American Civil Liberties Union, which unfortunately today is the Anti-Civil Liberties Union.

01:01:44.000 They're weird now, right?

01:01:46.000 Some of the things that they support, like I read about it on Twitter, like, what are you saying?

01:01:51.000 They did just defend James O'Keefe, though.

01:01:53.000 And that is great, and I respect that.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, the James O'Keefe thing is fascinating, right?

01:01:58.000 So there's a diary, apparently, that's missing.

01:02:01.000 And it's Joe Biden's daughter's diary.

01:02:03.000 And in that diary, she has some depictions of abuse and she has some weird thing about her dad, right?

01:02:12.000 And this diary went missing.

01:02:14.000 So they've decided somehow or another that the Project Veritas people own it.

01:02:20.000 They have possession of it.

01:02:22.000 I got a dark conspiracy theory on this one.

01:02:25.000 But hold on.

01:02:25.000 So they break into James O'Keefe's house early in the morning and, you know, like full-on FBI raid and they go through all of his information and take his phones and they don't find it.

01:02:39.000 They don't find the diary.

01:02:40.000 But since when has that been something that the FBI does?

01:02:46.000 James O'Keefe says that he gave the diary to law enforcement, that they couldn't vet it.

01:02:51.000 It was provided to them by someone who claimed they had it.

01:02:53.000 They sold it.

01:02:53.000 They were looking to sell it.

01:02:55.000 James got it, went through it, and said, hmm, we're going to give it to the police.

01:02:58.000 The FBI raids the homes of several Veritas journalists, including James O'Keefe himself.

01:03:12.000 Yeah.

01:03:19.000 We're somehow leaked to the New York Times.

01:03:22.000 Most people believe, and it is alleged, that the FBI has been leaking legal communications.

01:03:28.000 Like, this is beyond serious.

01:03:31.000 To the New York Times, Veritas is in a lawsuit with the New York Times, and they've been winning and doing very well against the New York Times for defamation.

01:03:38.000 Now, all of a sudden, the New York Times has access to Veritas' lawyers' emails, emails between them and their lawyers.

01:03:45.000 How do you handle a lawsuit like that now?

01:03:47.000 When you say they've been winning, how have they been winning?

01:03:51.000 It's very difficult to get beyond a motion to dismiss in a defamation case, especially when you're a high-profile public figure.

01:03:59.000 The judge sided with Veritas and they moved past.

01:04:02.000 They denied a motion to dismiss.

01:04:04.000 So it's actually moving forward, meaning they move to Discovery next, where they get to take New York Times journalists, sit them down under oath, and have them answer questions on camera and in front of lawyers.

01:04:15.000 The New York Times filed a stay to temporarily halt that process, and a judge agreed, said, okay, we're going to stay the Discovery and we're going to postpone this.

01:04:24.000 Then the FBI raids Veritas and gives Veritas' legal communications to the New York Times.

01:04:29.000 So it is alleged.

01:04:30.000 Most people think that's the case, but, you know, for fairness, so it is alleged.

01:04:35.000 This is...

01:04:38.000 This is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard happen in this country for law enforcement to do, but I think it's worse than this.

01:04:45.000 In October, at the end of October, an FBI whistleblower sent evidence that Merrick Garland and the DOJ were targeting parents concerned about critical race theory using counter-terror tactics.

01:04:59.000 So this is a whistleblower at the FBI. We also know from the leaked communications that James O'Keefe was currently investigating.

01:05:06.000 You just glossed over that.

01:05:07.000 Go back.

01:05:09.000 Go back.

01:05:09.000 At the end of October.

01:05:25.000 Why would they do that?

01:05:27.000 What's the motivation behind that?

01:05:30.000 Welcome to my show!

01:05:44.000 Using counter-terror tactics.

01:05:46.000 This is confirmed.

01:05:47.000 And Kevin McCarthy, by the way, not a fan, issued a letter saying, like, we want Merrick Garland under oath back in front of Congress because he lied.

01:05:56.000 Because he said they weren't using counter-terror tactics on parents.

01:05:59.000 What are these tactics specifically?

01:06:01.000 Labeling people under specific terror terms in their databases to start.

01:06:06.000 There was a letter issued that basically referred...

01:06:09.000 First, there was a letter issued that said the parents who are going to these meetings and who are protesting the stuff are committing low-grade terrorism or something that affects America.

01:06:17.000 But do we know that if there's something, some specific allegations or accusations outside of them just going to these board meetings?

01:06:26.000 Is it possible that these parents are threatening these teachers in some sort of a...

01:06:31.000 Yes.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, there have been videos of parents walking up to cars and screaming, you MF-er, you know, all that stuff. 0.95

01:06:38.000 So, like I said, look, threats are bad.

01:06:40.000 Don't intimidate, don't threaten people.

01:06:41.000 But the use of counter-terror tactics on American citizens is alarming.

01:06:45.000 Now, I'm not trying to hash that whole debate.

01:06:47.000 This is about James O'Keefe.

01:06:48.000 Yeah.

01:06:49.000 The New York Times made reference to the fact that James O'Keefe was conducting investigations into the FBI, and the legal communications in question they got access to was James O'Keefe's team asking the lawyers, to what extent are we allowed to secretly record federal law enforcement?

01:07:05.000 And they said, woof, dangerous territory.

01:07:32.000 I'm just speculating.

01:07:33.000 Because it makes no sense.

01:07:35.000 The fact that the ACLU, these other Trevor Tim of Free Press, that they're going to come out and say, what is the FBI doing to rate a journalist over a journalistic activity?

01:07:46.000 I'm not saying I know for sure.

01:07:47.000 Not a big fan of strong conclusions.

01:07:49.000 That does make more sense, right?

01:07:51.000 That that would be a way they could find out what they had on them.

01:07:56.000 So a false premise for investigation.

01:08:00.000 And it's just speculation, man.

01:08:02.000 But the timing is rather perfect, I think.

01:08:04.000 I would imagine that O'Keefe thinks in 4D chess that he's probably prepared for something like this to happen.

01:08:12.000 I can't imagine that they just lay around thinking the FBI is never going to raid them.

01:08:18.000 I agree.

01:08:19.000 Or that some intelligence agency is never going to raid them.

01:08:21.000 I mean, they're a strange organization.

01:08:26.000 What do you think?

01:08:27.000 What do you think about them?

01:08:27.000 Well, I mean, they're a strange organization in that so many people hate them and so many people are willing to throw out the idea of protections against journalists because they say these are not journalists.

01:08:43.000 You know, like Glenn Greenwald had a very interesting piece on that recently where he was talking about how the same arguments that they use with James O'Keefe, regardless of whether or not you like James O'Keefe or appreciate Project Veritas or whatever, The same arguments that we're using with Julian Assange, the same arguments they're using with Edward Snowden and with Glenn Greenwald as well,

01:09:01.000 and many other journalists that they decide they don't like their conclusions, or they don't like their perspective.

01:09:08.000 And with James O'Keefe, James O'Keefe is clearly a right-wing guy, and he's coming at this from a right-wing perspective.

01:09:16.000 I feel like if someone had been doing the same thing from a left-wing perspective and exposing like real problems, like some of the problems that he's exposed are absolutely real problems, like a shadow banning on Twitter,

01:09:33.000 censoring of conservative thought, like all the stuff that they do.

01:09:37.000 The Epstein case.

01:09:38.000 Explain what he found out about Epstein.

01:09:41.000 Veritas published a video of, I think her name is Amy Rohrbach of ABC News, Caught on a hot camera saying, we had the Epstein story three years ago and they shut us down.

01:09:51.000 We had witnesses.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, and think about all these people that are like the guy from Reuters.

01:09:57.000 No, what's a guy from?

01:09:59.000 Somebody just had a step down.

01:10:03.000 I'm gonna say it's like a casino guy or something.

01:10:07.000 But there's more than a hundred emails, private emails back and forth to Epstein. 0.98

01:10:15.000 Goddammit.

01:10:16.000 Mike Cernovich and the Miami Herald did a lot of work exposing and basically kicking off that whole Epstein thing, but Veritas exposing how ABC News shut down the story.

01:10:26.000 Barclays, that's right.

01:10:28.000 What is Barclays?

01:10:29.000 It's a bank.

01:10:30.000 I'm pretty sure it's a bank.

01:10:31.000 I always think it's a casino.

01:10:33.000 Sounds like a casino.

01:10:34.000 So this guy, put it up again, Jamie?

01:10:37.000 It actually said you could just close that little thing that was blocking it.

01:10:43.000 I think it said continue without...

01:10:45.000 Here it goes.

01:10:46.000 Barclays CEO steps down after Epstein Probe.

01:10:49.000 Laid his financier to lose job over ties.

01:10:52.000 Wow.

01:10:52.000 So this guy, there's private emails back and forth with him.

01:10:57.000 But I want you to Google the private emails because some of them were fucking creepy. 0.66

01:11:02.000 They had references to Snow White. 0.60

01:11:07.000 What does it say?

01:11:12.000 See if they talked about some of the details that were in the private emails.

01:11:16.000 Like, what a crazy situation.

01:11:19.000 This is what's really crazy about it.

01:11:20.000 And this goes back to my love of Alex Jones, where people get angry, like, why do you associate with that guy?

01:11:26.000 Alex Jones told me about this over a decade ago.

01:11:30.000 He goes, this is the way they compromise him.

01:11:32.000 They take them.

01:11:33.000 They take these guys who are basically nerds.

01:11:35.000 And they bring them to an island.

01:11:36.000 They go, hey, we got all these hot girls. 1.00

01:11:38.000 And, you know, they photograph them with them. 0.99

01:11:40.000 And they have sex with them. 0.96

01:11:42.000 And they find out later they're underage. 0.98

01:11:43.000 They have videotape.

01:11:46.000 What happened?

01:11:48.000 Oh, autoplay.

01:11:50.000 And they say that, you know, we have evidence and this and this.

01:11:53.000 And I was like, really? 0.99

01:11:54.000 There's a fucking island? 0.99

01:11:55.000 I'm like, God, it sounds so cliche. 1.00

01:11:57.000 It sounds so James Bond. 0.99

01:11:58.000 You know, they take them to fuck island and they get videotape of them banging girls. 0.99

01:12:02.000 But if you think about it... 1.00

01:12:04.000 If you're a wealthy guy like Bill Gates, okay, who's now divorced because of all this shit, right? 0.95

01:12:10.000 Divorced because of his ties to Epstein, and he's apparently got enough influence that they're kind of letting him slide off of this investigation. 0.99

01:12:18.000 You're not hearing a lot of talk about it, but when you're a guy like that, and you're married in particular, like how do you, you know, if you're a freak, And you wanna bang girls, like how do you do it? 0.69

01:12:31.000 You can't. 0.71

01:12:32.000 You literally can't.

01:12:33.000 So if you're a guy also that is a really wealthy guy and you enjoy all this power and you enjoy all this influence and you're so much different than regular people, you're on yachts and you're hanging around with the global elite,

01:12:50.000 And they just have girls come up to you and start talking to you. 1.00

01:12:54.000 You're probably like, well, this is like part of the privilege of my job.

01:12:57.000 Part of the privilege of who I am as this guy worth a hundred billion dollars.

01:13:02.000 That, you know, people will come up to me and we're all drinking champagne together and this guy, Epstein, assures me everything's fine.

01:13:08.000 We've got this all worked out.

01:13:09.000 And he's not a paranoid guy.

01:13:11.000 He probably has a couple of cocktails in him.

01:13:13.000 And the next thing you know, they got a video tape on him.

01:13:15.000 Yeah.

01:13:15.000 And that's what they did.

01:13:16.000 They did it to Clinton.

01:13:17.000 They did it to everybody. 0.99

01:13:18.000 He flew 26 fucking times with Bill Clinton. 1.00

01:13:22.000 26 fucking times. 1.00

01:13:25.000 Imagine. 0.99

01:13:26.000 I had a tweet when Epstein stuff was coming out with the documents out of the Miami Herald and Mike Cernovich's case, and I said, you know, Bill Clinton flew on this plane.

01:13:35.000 Someone screenshot it, put it on Facebook, and one of these fact checkers claimed it was fake news.

01:13:39.000 So it deranks, you can't see it.

01:13:42.000 And the funny thing is, there's a link when they do these Facebook fact checks.

01:13:46.000 When you click it, Basically, the fact check confirmed everything I said about Bill Clinton on the plane was true.

01:13:52.000 They just added at the end, but we think his framing is not contextually correct, so we're going to call it false.

01:14:01.000 How is the framing not contextually correct? 0.99

01:14:04.000 Either you get on the fucking plane, or you don't. 1.00

01:14:07.000 Did you get on the plane with the pedophile? 1.00

01:14:09.000 You did? 0.99

01:14:10.000 Was it the pedophile's plane? 0.83

01:14:12.000 It was? 0.99

01:14:13.000 Did you know he was a convicted pedophile? 0.98

01:14:16.000 You did! 0.95

01:14:17.000 Interesting.

01:14:18.000 Mr. Gates, would you like to explain?

01:14:21.000 Like, imagine.

01:14:22.000 But we see this with the fact checkers on Facebook.

01:14:25.000 They...

01:14:26.000 They're basically the censors, not the fact-checkers.

01:14:29.000 Right.

01:14:29.000 Well, it's also, like, who's doing it?

01:14:30.000 You know, we were talking about this yesterday, I believe, that guys from gun manufacturers were talking to me about how, during the election, people started going through their pages and pulling things from eight, nine years ago and banning them.

01:14:45.000 Just banning them.

01:14:46.000 Because they were worried that a lot of these, whether it's gun manufacturers or very influential right-wing groups, could have an effect on voting.

01:14:56.000 So even if they have an effect, like say if there's a gun manufacturer or some sort of a big right-wing site that has a million followers or a half a million followers, and then they put out something that impacts someone who's on the fence.

01:15:11.000 Like maybe there's a guy who's kind of centrist, but he believes in some right-wing thing, so he follows a few right-wing people.

01:15:17.000 Maybe he's right-curious, right?

01:15:20.000 And so then you find out something about the Hillary Clinton death count or something like that.

01:15:24.000 He's like, that's it. 0.99

01:15:25.000 I'm fucking vote. 0.99

01:15:26.000 So if you can just cut those people out of the mix, you've got a few thousand votes here, a few thousand votes there. 0.99

01:15:33.000 And overall, it stacks up.

01:15:35.000 It stacks up and it means something.

01:15:37.000 And this is what they did.

01:15:39.000 They needed to ban Alex Jones.

01:15:41.000 He was way too influential.

01:15:43.000 Yeah.

01:15:44.000 Trump was not an establishment player for all the good and bad, and Alex was massively supporting the guy.

01:15:51.000 They didn't care about- Oh, Trump was certainly an establishment player.

01:15:53.000 I mean, he was an establishment player in terms of the left and the right dynamic that we're accustomed to, but in terms of being a big name that the public was aware of.

01:16:03.000 No, yeah, you're right.

01:16:04.000 I just mean the establishment political structure.

01:16:07.000 He was a billionaire.

01:16:08.000 He was a TV mogu.

01:16:09.000 He was a celebrity.

01:16:10.000 He is still one of the massive powerful elites, but he came from outside the political infrastructure where they kind of control things, where you play ball, where they have the super PACs, and he steamrolls through it.

01:16:21.000 Yeah, and he might do it again.

01:16:23.000 I hope he doesn't.

01:16:24.000 Well, it's either him or it's going to be someone who is a more moderate Republican like Ron DeSantis.

01:16:31.000 I think the DeSantis, like when you look at what happened in Virginia, how they won Virginia with a Republican that's like a reasonable person, and then that woman, the crazy thing was like calling that woman, who's the lieutenant governor, the black woman, calling her the, they were calling her, 1.00

01:16:46.000 they were saying that when white supremacy voices come out of black mouths, I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:16:54.000 Remember Larry Elder? 1.00

01:16:55.000 Oh my god, yeah. 0.99

01:16:56.000 The black face of white supremacy. 0.96

01:16:58.000 It's Clayton Bigsby coming to life. 0.68

01:16:59.000 They keep saying this.

01:17:01.000 It is such a crazy thing to say.

01:17:02.000 And what they're doing, inadvertently, is they're diminishing the distinction of someone being a white supremacist.

01:17:09.000 By saying that, like, there's real white supremacists out there.

01:17:12.000 There's real racist people that think we should have an all-white country. 1.00

01:17:16.000 They're out of their fucking mind, and they're real. 1.00

01:17:19.000 Those are real people. 1.00

01:17:20.000 That's a real white supremacist. 0.99

01:17:21.000 There's real people to think that someone is better or worse Based on the amount of melanin in their skin and based on the geography where their ancestors came from, it's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:17:33.000 But it's not that lady that's the lieutenant governor! 1.00

01:17:36.000 It's not her! 1.00

01:17:37.000 Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

01:17:38.000 She's black! 1.00

01:17:39.000 But because she's sponsored by the NRA, And because she's a pro-Second Amendment woman. 0.99

01:17:45.000 I mean, I don't know what other reasons they have to say that this lady supports white supremacist ideas, but it's so crazy. 1.00

01:17:52.000 It's very clear that what the official narrative on white supremacy is, the phrase is, they're trying to interchange liberty or classical liberalism with white supremacy.

01:18:03.000 Right, right, right.

01:18:04.000 So, keeping and bearing arms?

01:18:06.000 Right.

01:18:06.000 You know that, I mean, our gun rights have expanded dramatically over the past several decades.

01:18:12.000 If you look at a map from 1986, almost no states issued concealed carry.

01:18:17.000 A good portion of the states were like, maybe we will.

01:18:20.000 A lot of them said, no, we won't.

01:18:21.000 Today, a good majority of the states are constitutional carry.

01:18:25.000 This is an issue of freedom.

01:18:27.000 A good majority?

01:18:28.000 Yeah.

01:18:28.000 What percentage of those states are constitutional carry?

01:18:32.000 Constitutional carry means that you could have a concealed carry weapon, and you don't have to go through courses, you don't have to do anything.

01:18:38.000 I know Texas has that now.

01:18:40.000 I will clarify.

01:18:41.000 Maybe a good majority was a bit hyperbolic, but if you can pull up the...

01:18:44.000 It's only 13, buddy.

01:18:45.000 Okay, so I'm definitely wrong about a good majority.

01:18:48.000 But I guess it's because when you look at the map, it's the big empty states that take up a lot of space that are constitutional carry.

01:18:55.000 But it's growing.

01:18:57.000 It's getting more and more.

01:18:59.000 It's getting larger.

01:18:59.000 But I'll correct this too.

01:19:01.000 They're actually giving out concealed carry permits in Los Angeles now.

01:19:04.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:19:05.000 Which they never were doing before.

01:19:06.000 And the sheriff has said very specifically that the reason why they're doing this is a large uptick in crime and the defunding of the police department.

01:19:14.000 And the fact that it's not just the defunding of it, but they've declawed the police department.

01:19:18.000 They've taken away their ability to enforce these laws and regulations.

01:19:22.000 I'll tone down what I said and correct.

01:19:24.000 I think we're looking at shall issue states.

01:19:28.000 So you have, I think the majority of states, and again may be wrong, but are shall issue or constitutional carry.

01:19:34.000 Shall issue states mean if you apply, they have to give it to you.

01:19:38.000 You look at a place like Hawaii, New Jersey, and parts of New York, and they claim their may issue, where they'll decide, but they're actually called, in practice, no issue.

01:19:50.000 Well, I know people who've gotten concealed carry permits in New York City.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:55.000 So it's not no issue?

01:19:57.000 No, no, not New York.

01:19:58.000 Parts of New York.

01:19:59.000 I think like Long Island and parts of New York.

01:20:01.000 But I think New York City is the hardest place to get it.

01:20:04.000 I think New Jersey is.

01:20:05.000 Harder than New York?

01:20:06.000 Yes.

01:20:07.000 Really?

01:20:07.000 Yeah.

01:20:08.000 It's because New York as a state actually has a lot of open rural space.

01:20:14.000 And New York City is very, very, very difficult.

01:20:16.000 That's where the Supreme Court lawsuit is coming into play now because the lawsuit is, I have a right to bear arms, you can't deny me.

01:20:23.000 New Jersey as a whole.

01:20:24.000 Well, hold on.

01:20:26.000 I think the Supreme Court case has to do with people from New York State who have a concealed carry permit and the fact that it's denied in New York City.

01:20:34.000 And that it's instead of a state issue, it's a...

01:20:37.000 Yes.

01:20:37.000 Let's find out if that's the case.

01:20:39.000 I'm pretty sure that what's going on in New York State is...

01:20:43.000 There's some sort of a lawsuit about people that have a concealed carry permit in the state, so people from, like, say, Rochester or maybe even a more rural area, that they can't carry in the city.

01:20:56.000 I know there- I know there was a lawsuit where they basically said the idea of may issue is where you apply and they say give me a good reason why you need a gun.

01:21:07.000 And if you don't have a good reason as we decide we will not give it to you.

01:21:11.000 I know there was a lawsuit about that saying I have a right to keep and bear arms so if I apply you have to give it to me. 0.89

01:21:19.000 Maybe we're talking about two different cases?

01:21:20.000 I think we are.

01:21:22.000 I think we're talking about what I had heard was that there was a case from upstate New York where people were trying to figure out why their concealed carry in upstate New York does not work in the city.

01:21:36.000 That's actually a really good point.

01:21:37.000 Yeah, because it's a state issue.

01:21:39.000 Yeah.

01:21:39.000 Like, how can it be a city issue?

01:21:41.000 But I don't...

01:21:41.000 How will that impact the rest of the country in the Supreme Court?

01:21:45.000 The fucking city of New York is gone. 0.99

01:21:47.000 I mean, it's gone. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Until this gentleman who won the mayor...

01:21:52.000 Eric Abrams, right?

01:21:53.000 Adams, right.

01:21:53.000 Adams, excuse me.

01:21:54.000 Adams, who is a Democrat, but yet very pro-police and very tough on crime, which is what that city needs.

01:22:03.000 Because that city is probably...

01:22:05.000 Things would have to go really sideways before they elected a Republican.

01:22:09.000 Quickly digging through this.

01:22:10.000 This is for the state, and then when I look at Sullivan's Law, it doesn't say that it applies to the city.

01:22:16.000 Go back to that, please.

01:22:17.000 Okay.

01:22:18.000 So it says, U.S. Supreme Court mulls overturning New York's concealed carry gun law.

01:22:25.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:22:25.000 Can you scroll down a little bit and see?

01:22:27.000 This one might be...

01:22:29.000 Yeah, this is the May issue case.

01:22:31.000 You need proper cause to get a permit, which means they can just tell you, no, you can't bear arms.

01:22:34.000 But this is just for the state.

01:22:36.000 Right.

01:22:36.000 So according to what Sullivan's law is, it says in the city, that's the licensing authority is the police department.

01:22:42.000 Not...

01:23:00.000 My friend who got a concealed carry in New York is a celebrity.

01:23:04.000 That makes sense.

01:23:05.000 And he got one.

01:23:06.000 But it was not easy.

01:23:08.000 It took years for him to get it.

01:23:09.000 When I was in New Jersey, I went to the police station.

01:23:13.000 We had a pedophile try to break into the house.

01:23:16.000 And in the middle of the night, I wake up, I hear rustling, and I got no guns.

01:23:20.000 And the police come, cop tells me, if it were me, I'd answer the door with a shotgun.

01:23:25.000 And I'm like, well, I don't got one.

01:23:26.000 Go to the police department. 0.99

01:23:27.000 They gave me bullshit information on how to get a gun. 0.99

01:23:29.000 So a few months go by of me confused like what the fuck is going on until finally I figured it out and it was not easy to get my firearm license which allows you to only get certain weapons that you keep in your home and never leave. 0.99

01:23:43.000 You never take out. 0.54

01:23:44.000 I was even told that you got to be careful driving from the gun store after you buy it because they can arrest you and they probably will.

01:23:50.000 That's how bad it is in Jersey.

01:23:52.000 And you have a duty to retreat from your own home in New Jersey, technically.

01:23:56.000 They say it's a partial castle doctrine state, but when I talked to a lawyer about it...

01:24:01.000 Hold on.

01:24:02.000 You're glossing over that.

01:24:03.000 You have a duty to retreat.

01:24:05.000 Meaning, if someone breaks into your house, it's your job to leave your house.

01:24:08.000 Yes.

01:24:09.000 But to be specific, what I was told by the lawyers, I said, look, if this guy tries to break in again...

01:24:15.000 And I caught my shotgun and I, you know, like Dave Chappelle said, birdshot, buckshot, what's my liability?

01:24:20.000 And I was told, you have to exhaust all means to avoid that lethal conflict.

01:24:26.000 If you cannot, because it's partial castle doctrine, escape your home to a safe place.

01:24:43.000 I think?

01:24:50.000 Yeah, see, that's why people move.

01:24:53.000 That's why I moved.

01:24:53.000 Yeah, when people get their homes broken into in a state like that or a city like that, that, like, clearly is not protecting people's ability to defend themselves, which is crazy.

01:25:03.000 If someone's breaking into your home and threatening to cause bodily injury to you, it should be really clear.

01:25:11.000 Like, you should be able to defend yourself, especially if you have a family.

01:25:14.000 It's tough because, you know, so I'm in West Virginia now.

01:25:18.000 West Virginia is known for being like, if you step on someone's property, they can perceive it as a threat.

01:25:23.000 But it's not like you just kill anybody.

01:25:25.000 But, you know, you still might get arrested even in West Virginia or Texas or Florida because, you know, there could be political pressure or there could be an argument that we don't actually believe it was self-defense.

01:25:37.000 And that's why I think castle doctrine, hard castle doctrine and stand your ground is so important.

01:25:41.000 Don't come into my home. 0.97

01:25:43.000 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 Do you know the story about the guy who shot the rioter in Austin?

01:25:50.000 No.

01:25:51.000 Well, he wasn't technically a rioter.

01:25:53.000 He was a protester, but he was walking around with, I believe he had an AK-47.

01:25:59.000 Oh yes, of course, of course. 0.87

01:26:20.000 This guy points a gun in his face. 0.89

01:26:24.000 And, you know, he's LARPing, essentially. 0.99

01:26:28.000 You know, he's playing like he's a badass.

01:26:30.000 And the guy who was in the Uber was apparently a veteran. 0.73

01:26:35.000 And pulled a gun out immediately and shot the guy.

01:26:38.000 Because the guy's pointing a gun at him.

01:26:40.000 They acquitted him.

01:26:41.000 They let him out.

01:26:43.000 They did no charges.

01:26:44.000 And then, I believe it was like 10 months later, the district attorney decided to charge him with murder.

01:26:49.000 I'm pretty sure that after he shot and killed that guy, they shot at his car.

01:26:53.000 So the guy approaches with the AK, the driver shoots him, and then they fired back at his vehicle.

01:26:58.000 Perhaps.

01:26:59.000 I'm not sure.

01:26:59.000 But the guy pointed a gun at him, and then he shot him.

01:27:03.000 An AK! Yeah. 0.59

01:27:05.000 And also, we can remember, and we were talking about this last night with Blair, There was so much fucking chaos in the air back then. 0.82

01:27:14.000 If you go back to those riots, if you go back to the George Floyd protests and the riots, there was so much chaos in the air. 0.94

01:27:21.000 There was cars being lit on fire, houses being broken into.

01:27:25.000 I'll never forget there was this video of these people walking down the street protesting and they just threw a rock At the window of this house where people were looking out.

01:27:36.000 They were just looking out at him.

01:27:37.000 And the guy was like, hey man, we're with you. 0.98

01:27:39.000 And they fucking threw rocks at their windshield. 0.97

01:27:42.000 Or their windows, rather. 0.99

01:27:43.000 For no reason.

01:27:43.000 Like, it was that kind of chaos.

01:27:46.000 There's a video of some college kids in a dorm, I think it was.

01:27:48.000 And they're like on a second floor.

01:27:49.000 Yeah.

01:27:50.000 Is that what you're talking about?

01:27:50.000 That's exactly what I'm talking about.

01:27:51.000 Okay, maybe I'm wrong.

01:27:52.000 Maybe I got the context wrong.

01:27:53.000 But then the rock just shatters the window. 0.99

01:27:55.000 Yeah, and they go, what the fuck? 1.00

01:27:56.000 We're with you. 1.00

01:27:56.000 We're giving you thumbs up. 1.00

01:27:58.000 They were giving him thumbs up.

01:27:59.000 See, it was anarchy.

01:28:01.000 And chaos. 1.00

01:28:02.000 And when that kind of shit happens, people get terrified. 0.99

01:28:05.000 And they don't know if they're going to get shot, they don't know what the fuck is going to happen, because all rules are out the window. 1.00

01:28:10.000 You're in a period of lawlessness. 0.84

01:28:13.000 And you put people in a constant state of stress and anxiety over their safety, and that foments revolution and unrest.

01:28:20.000 And they make poor choices.

01:28:23.000 Whether they shoot at people, or they get shot.

01:28:28.000 Buildings didn't lit on fire.

01:28:29.000 I mean, that's what happens during these wild, chaotic moments of rioting.

01:28:36.000 One thing that's really common among these left-wing activist groups, something that I covered when I was down on the ground at Occupy and all these other events, is there's a thing called the diversity of tactics.

01:28:45.000 And the activist organizers often say, respect the diversity of tactics.

01:28:49.000 What that really means is don't stop the violence.

01:28:54.000 So, nobody's gonna care if a bunch of, you know, bleeding heart hippies are waving signs and marching through the street. 0.66

01:29:00.000 For the most part, people might honk at them.

01:29:01.000 The reason why they have to issue the warning telling people to respect the diversity of tactics is that when black-block, Antifa-type individuals or riders burn and smash things, they immediately turn to the peaceful people and say, you have to respect their diversity of tactics. 0.59

01:29:14.000 Basically, allow them to do this.

01:29:17.000 That's what we end up seeing in a lot of places, but when you look at Rittenhouse, I think it's a case that's a really good example, What that really means is the criminal elements who are here for no other reason than to destroy because they're upset, they're unwell or violent are going to be allowed to do so.

01:29:30.000 So there's two important things, notably in Ferguson, when I was on the ground covering those riots.

01:29:35.000 It was local young black Ferguson residents linking arms to guard the liquor store where Michael Brown had stolen the cigarillos.

01:29:43.000 It was out of towners who were ransacking and looting everything.

01:29:48.000 Al Jazeera was there.

01:29:49.000 I'm standing right next to this reporter, Sebastian.

01:29:52.000 I think Walker is his name.

01:29:53.000 He was with Vice for a while.

01:29:54.000 Asking these young black men, why are you linking arms to guard this? 1.00

01:29:57.000 And this kid said, he was not a kid, he was a guy.

01:29:59.000 He was like, you know, young man.

01:30:01.000 This is our neighborhood.

01:30:02.000 These people don't live here.

01:30:03.000 They're destroying our home.

01:30:04.000 They're burning down our stores.

01:30:06.000 We don't want this.

01:30:07.000 Right, and this points back to the Rittenhouse case too, right?

01:30:10.000 These three guys that he winds up shooting, these three guys that do have criminal records, they were there to take part in the chaos.

01:30:17.000 It's pretty clear.

01:30:18.000 It's possible that Gage Grosskreutz was a revolutionary.

01:30:22.000 I mean, he raised his fist and said, long live the revolution at a rally after the fact. 0.97

01:30:26.000 What the fuck does that mean, though? 0.97

01:30:28.000 No, it means he believes in the cause. 0.99

01:30:29.000 But he also has a criminal record, right?

01:30:32.000 I think a large portion of his criminal record was expunged or something, but he beat his grandmother.

01:30:38.000 But that was like six days before the trial.

01:30:41.000 But hold on, isn't that like really controversial?

01:30:44.000 The fact that his record was expunged six days before the trial?

01:30:49.000 Yes.

01:30:50.000 I mean, that's kind of fucking crazy when you've got a guy who is a witness for the prosecution. 0.96

01:30:54.000 And it turns out he was one of the star people and the only guy that survived that this kid shot. 1.00

01:31:00.000 And he's a piece of shit. 1.00

01:31:01.000 And the prosecutor instructed the detectives not to execute a signed search warrant against his phone. 1.00

01:31:07.000 That's right.

01:31:08.000 And that was very, very confusing and controversial.

01:31:12.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:31:12.000 When do the police not get a signed search warrant and then the prosecutor says, don't execute it.

01:31:16.000 So they say, okay.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 But here's what I mean.

01:31:18.000 Gage Grosskreutz is a true believer.

01:31:20.000 He showed up to that protest as a revolutionary who believes in whatever he believes.

01:31:24.000 And he was there with the medical kit.

01:31:26.000 He may have bad ideology.

01:31:27.000 He may be a misguided person.

01:31:30.000 Some people say similar things to Kyle Rittenhouse. 1.00

01:31:31.000 But Rosenbaum was a child rapist. 0.92

01:31:34.000 I don't believe, based on the evidence, that he actually cared about Black Lives Matter. 0.97

01:31:39.000 He was, I think, you know, they say he had just gotten out of a mental hospital, some say over a suicide attempt, I don't know.

01:31:44.000 But the dude was yelling, shoot me N-word, at a kid with a gun.

01:31:47.000 I think it's possible that this dude... 0.85

01:31:49.000 Suicide by cop almost, or suicide by, yeah, enforcing people.

01:31:53.000 This guy, I don't believe, actually cared about any causes.

01:31:57.000 So when you have the facilitators, the organizers, say, respect the diversity of tactics, they're making space for criminal elements who just want destruction, damage, or to profit.

01:32:06.000 Right.

01:32:06.000 Well, that's the armed wing of the far left party.

01:32:12.000 That's what Antifa is.

01:32:14.000 They're like the thugs that enforce the ideas.

01:32:16.000 That's why I wanted to ask you about this.

01:32:19.000 When Chris Cuomo was on CNN and he said, who said that all protests have to be peaceful?

01:32:25.000 That's great.

01:32:25.000 But here's the question.

01:32:27.000 Does he get fed that?

01:32:28.000 Is he allowed to say whatever he thinks?

01:32:32.000 Or do they have a script for him?

01:32:34.000 Because CNN's not live, right?

01:32:36.000 They're recording these segments.

01:32:38.000 A lot of it's live.

01:32:40.000 Come on.

01:32:40.000 A lot of it is live.

01:32:41.000 Really?

01:32:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:43.000 With those guys talking, they allow those guys to talk live.

01:32:45.000 It's a mix, though.

01:32:47.000 Right.

01:32:47.000 It is.

01:32:49.000 When they do interviews with people, sometimes it's live, sometimes it's not.

01:32:53.000 So I've been on MSNBC before, and it was a pre-record.

01:32:57.000 But why would they make it live?

01:32:59.000 Especially because what CNN has really become is more editorial and opinion pieces than anything.

01:33:06.000 It's people expanding on a narrative.

01:33:09.000 That's basically what they are.

01:33:10.000 The opinion stuff is probably pre-recorded.

01:33:12.000 So you get a guy like Chris Cuomo saying something like that.

01:33:17.000 Is he reading a teleprompter?

01:33:19.000 I don't know, but I do know, and I've been saying the word evil a lot.

01:33:25.000 It's harsh, but I think it's true when you refer to Chris Cuomo. 0.96

01:33:28.000 He's an evil person.

01:33:29.000 Why do you say that? 0.97

01:33:30.000 He faked being in COVID quarantine, and everybody knows he did.

01:33:35.000 Well, here's what he did.

01:33:36.000 He came out of the basement and he said, this is my first time coming out of the basement.

01:33:41.000 I'm finally released from COVID quarantine.

01:33:43.000 But... 0.98

01:33:43.000 I attribute that to producers because I worked on television shows and I know what the fuck they want to do. 0.98

01:33:50.000 They always want a moment, like a big thing. 0.95

01:33:53.000 However, he had been seen and got into a fight with a guy 30 minutes away from his home.

01:33:59.000 Right.

01:34:00.000 Outside where he was looking at property that he was building something on and someone yelled at him.

01:34:04.000 And then he went on his own radio show, I believe it was on Sirius, and said, this guy comes up to me and he's going to have words with me.

01:34:11.000 He has a Sirius show too?

01:34:12.000 I think it was on Sirius. 0.98

01:34:14.000 Yeah, he called him like a fat, tired douchebag or something like that. 0.95

01:34:17.000 Yeah, because the guy was riding a mountain bike. 0.98

01:34:19.000 It's the banality of evil, I guess.

01:34:21.000 I don't think that's evil.

01:34:23.000 I think it's deceptive, but I think it's theatrically deceptive.

01:34:26.000 It's like, here's Chris Cuomo's big moment coming out.

01:34:28.000 We gotta catch the moment, Chris.

01:34:30.000 Well, I've already been out.

01:34:31.000 Well, duh, duh, don't matter.

01:34:32.000 No one knows.

01:34:33.000 We're gonna catch the moment.

01:34:34.000 I don't find that to be evil.

01:34:35.000 It's deceptive, but it's standard operational procedure for anyone that produces a television show, particularly reality shows.

01:34:43.000 That's why I say it's more akin to the banality of evil.

01:34:46.000 I don't think it's evil at all.

01:34:47.000 I just think it's corny. 0.99

01:34:49.000 Him coming out of the fucking basement pretending. 0.98

01:34:51.000 Just to correct this real quick, apparently his full record wasn't expunged. 0.99

01:34:57.000 Six days before, he had a case for drunk driving that was...

01:35:02.000 Dismissed on a technicality.

01:35:04.000 Expunged felony conviction.

01:35:06.000 Yeah, but he still had a record.

01:35:07.000 Means it can no longer be counted against him.

01:35:09.000 So he still had a record?

01:35:10.000 He justified to that, apparently.

01:35:12.000 Interesting.

01:35:12.000 Okay.

01:35:13.000 So his arrest and case history from the State Department of Justice is much larger than you would currently find through the online court records.

01:35:21.000 It shows a string of dismissed cases and an expunged felony conviction.

01:35:26.000 About what, though?

01:35:28.000 Look at that next sentence.

01:35:29.000 Read that.

01:35:29.000 Okay.

01:35:31.000 This means it can no longer be counted against him.

01:35:34.000 Sorry, the next one.

01:35:35.000 January 2021, he was accused of second offense drunk driving, but the case was dismissed on a prosecutor's motion.

01:35:43.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:35:44.000 They did that specifically because they wanted to make sure that he wasn't, like, that they didn't bring that up during the case.

01:35:50.000 Or maybe they said to him, look, you testify for us, you say what you saw, and maybe this drunk driving charge goes away.

01:35:59.000 He does, however, have a prior misdemeanor conviction for intoxicated use of a firearm in Wisconsin.

01:36:04.000 But that could be, you know, he had a couple of beers and went deer hunting.

01:36:08.000 His concealed carry license had expired, and he was seen on video with that.

01:36:13.000 So he had illegally possessing a gun, which I think is a felony.

01:36:19.000 I mean, it depends on where you're at.

01:36:21.000 Well, that's actually not true because I think in California, carrying a gun concealed is actually a misdemeanor.

01:36:30.000 I think Ethan Suple was telling us about that.

01:36:33.000 You know what's interesting about Gage Grosskreutz?

01:36:36.000 He was from far away.

01:36:37.000 You know, he traveled, you know, 40 plus minutes or whatever.

01:36:41.000 But let's say Gates Grosskreutz was not from Kenosha.

01:36:43.000 He traveled very far to go to a riot where he knew there was violence.

01:36:49.000 Kyle Rittenhouse traveled 30 minutes, right?

01:36:51.000 Well, so this is what's interesting.

01:36:53.000 Gage Grosskreutz travels from far away to where he knows there's violence.

01:36:56.000 He brings an illegal gun and he says it's because he was an EMT who wants to help people.

01:37:01.000 Kyle Rittenhouse travels across state lines from far away to where he's been accused of bringing an illegal gun where he knew there was violence because he wanted to be an EMT. We're good to go.

01:37:31.000 He lives just on the other side of the border in what is effectively a suburb of Kenosha.

01:37:35.000 He went there, not with a gun, but was given one by Dominic Black, which he was legally allowed to possess.

01:37:41.000 So someone gave him a gun once he got there?

01:37:43.000 That's right.

01:37:44.000 Dominic Black.

01:37:45.000 So is that confirmed?

01:37:47.000 Yes.

01:37:47.000 Dominic Black has been criminally charged for providing the weapon.

01:37:51.000 Which will be interesting.

01:37:52.000 I believe it's a straw purchase charge.

01:37:55.000 Which means Kyle Rittenhouse testified that he gave the money to Dominic Black to buy the rifle so that once Kyle turned 18, he could possess it because he can't buy a gun under 18, but he can possess a rifle specifically.

01:38:09.000 He testified the reason he didn't get a handgun is because he knows under 18 you can't have one, but you can have a standard rifle.

01:38:16.000 So all this talk about, so you can break it down here, all this talk about him traveling across state lines with a firearm, that's not true.

01:38:23.000 All this talk about him being in illegal possession of that gun, that's not true.

01:38:29.000 Right.

01:38:30.000 He lives in Antioch, Illinois, and I believe the reason was he's originally from Kenosha, but his mom and his dad split, and so he stays with his mom about 20 miles away from Kenosha.

01:38:41.000 21 miles from the scene.

01:38:43.000 Yeah, which is pretty close.

01:38:44.000 He wasn't an EMT, but neither was Gage Grosskreutz.

01:38:48.000 My understanding, and I could be wrong, Grosskreutz's EMT certificate or whatever expired in 2017 and he did not re-up.

01:38:54.000 They both wanted to go there claiming to provide medical attention.

01:38:58.000 They both had weapons.

01:39:00.000 But Grosskreutz was the guy who Rittenhouse was going there saying he was providing medical attention?

01:39:25.000 And then the rioters de-escalated and left, which shows this on video.

01:39:30.000 My understanding is provided to the state.

01:39:32.000 The Kyle Rittenhouse, not only did he have no intention to hurt anybody, he was actively trying to stop violence.

01:39:37.000 It's crazy, right?

01:39:38.000 The whole thing is crazy because they did chase him down, and that's when he shot them.

01:39:42.000 And most people didn't even know that.

01:39:44.000 And then there was some talk today about video evidence that had been withheld. 0.99

01:39:51.000 Oh, shit, dude. 0.99

01:39:53.000 This is dark stuff. 1.00

01:39:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:54.000 So this was actually included in the motion by the defense that was put out on, given to the judge on the 15th. 0.97

01:40:01.000 We are fucked on this story. 0.97

01:40:03.000 Check this out. 1.00

01:40:04.000 The state had what they call unicorn evidence.

01:40:07.000 It emerged, you know, two weeks ago, like in the middle of trial, they get this drone footage.

01:40:12.000 It's high definition, but it's so far away from where Kyle is, you can't actually see anything.

01:40:18.000 The defense makes the argument that the video shows Kyle Rittenhouse pointed his gun at the Zeminski's, this is the guy who had the gun and fired in the air, and then Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse in defense of others, such that Rittenhouse provoked him to attack him, and then Rittenhouse led him to the parking lot where he could shoot and kill him.

01:40:36.000 Because of this footage, the prosecution was able to get a jury instruction on provocation, which means the judge said to the jury, if you believe that Rittenhouse provoked him, He cannot be found to have been acting in self-defense.

01:40:51.000 The prosecution didn't withhold evidence.

01:40:54.000 This is what the big story was.

01:40:55.000 Prosecution withholds evidence.

01:40:56.000 No, no, no.

01:40:57.000 They manipulated the evidence, and it's darker than that.

01:40:59.000 The video received by the defense was a low-resolution video.

01:41:04.000 It would play on a screen like normal, but it was fuzzier.

01:41:07.000 The defense did not know.

01:41:09.000 They were not given the true and correct video, which means if the state withheld the evidence...

01:41:14.000 And then played it in court.

01:41:16.000 This is our key evidence proving Rittenhouse committed a crime.

01:41:18.000 The defense would say, Your Honor, we were never provided this evidence.

01:41:21.000 And the judge would say, Stop.

01:41:23.000 Give them the evidence.

01:41:24.000 Come back.

01:41:25.000 Give them a chance to form a rebuttal.

01:41:27.000 Because the defense thought they did receive the evidence, they weren't able to actively scrutinize it because it was low resolution.

01:41:35.000 When the video was played in court by the defense, the prosecution goes, Our version is much clearer. 0.99

01:41:41.000 That's when the defense said, what the fuck? 0.98

01:41:44.000 You provided us evidence that we could not discern. 0.97

01:41:48.000 Then what the prosecution did was they got an expert to use algorithmic software to enhance it, basically, which generates false images.

01:41:59.000 It's not real images, and I can break that down.

01:42:02.000 Present that to the judge and the defense did not know that they were using different evidence to try and get this introduced.

01:42:10.000 So is that video available?

01:42:12.000 The enhanced video?

01:42:14.000 They were given it on the 13th after evidence had closed and the trial concluded.

01:42:18.000 To us.

01:42:19.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:20.000 My understanding is that it, I don't know how, but Rakeda Law, they've been doing this big live stream, played both videos, and you can see it.

01:42:27.000 Now, when I first heard this, I said, how would you not realize that the video they're playing in court was a higher resolution than what you had?

01:42:35.000 So I actually, on my TV, played comparable resolutions, and when you're looking for it, you can see it, but when you don't realize it...

01:42:43.000 You don't realize it.

01:42:44.000 You know, the TV screens are big.

01:42:47.000 They're already kind of blurry.

01:42:48.000 And so what happens is this disadvantage to the defense in their ability to watch the video and actually say, look here, Kyle Rittenhouse's arm is pointed in this direction.

01:42:58.000 By getting the low res video, I don't know what I see.

01:43:00.000 The prosecution is going to argue something and we can't form.

01:43:03.000 So what they did was the defense argued you can't use CGI imagery in a court case.

01:43:09.000 But they were unable to accurately explain to the judge why it was CGI. So the judge said, I don't know what you're talking about.

01:43:16.000 We'll allow it.

01:43:17.000 I'll tell you this.

01:43:18.000 The image introduced by the prosecution is obviously not a picture of anything.

01:43:24.000 What are you talking about?

01:43:26.000 There's a big white sign.

01:43:27.000 Can we see it?

01:43:28.000 Yeah, you can pull it up.

01:43:29.000 If you go to legal insurrection, look for the articles written by Andrew Branca.

01:43:36.000 He shows a side-by-side.

01:43:38.000 Andrew Branca is a foremost expert on self-defense law.

01:43:40.000 He's brilliant.

01:43:41.000 He shows a side-by-side from evidence of the enhanced version and the regular version, and you can clearly see it looks like one of those Google deepfakes of weird nothing.

01:43:52.000 There's a white sign.

01:43:54.000 When you look at the real image, it's low resolution and blurry.

01:43:57.000 When you look at the prosecution's evidence, there's two signs, a faded large and small sign over each other because the computer program can't actually enlarge or enhance.

01:44:09.000 It just adds more pixels.

01:44:11.000 So what did it do?

01:44:13.000 Like Google deepfake AI technology or whatever, it just duplicated the signs over each other, and people have referred to it as the signs being raptured, because its ghost is being pulled from its body.

01:44:25.000 They used that to argue, and get this, they argued.

01:44:28.000 Kyle Rittenhouse puts down a fire extinguisher, within a split second, takes his gun off, flips the strap, points with his left hand at the Zeminsky's, then runs, and while he's running, takes the strap off, flips it back to his right hand, turns and shoots Rosenbaum.

01:44:42.000 When the defense objected, saying he's facing the wrong direction, the prosecutor immediately goes, that's an argument.

01:44:49.000 And the judge says, that's an argument.

01:44:51.000 Meaning, in closing, it was a closing argument, so you can just rebut that if you want when it comes up.

01:44:58.000 It's remarkable that the state was allowed to introduce this.

01:45:02.000 And it's unfortunate because the defense, look, they're boomers. 0.78

01:45:05.000 They didn't understand the technology.

01:45:07.000 Richards in the defense said, they use a 3D AI logarithm to predict imagery.

01:45:13.000 And the judge goes, what?

01:45:15.000 I would have said it very simply.

01:45:16.000 Your Honor, the image they're presenting is not from August 25th, 2020. End of story.

01:45:22.000 When's the image from?

01:45:23.000 It's from two weeks ago at a crime lab in Kenosha, from, you know, the police crime lab, not from the night in question.

01:45:28.000 If that still got to the point where they brought in the expert, and they did, this guy James Armstrong, I would have asked the expert, this image you're presenting to the jury, when was that image created?

01:45:38.000 And he would say November, you know, October 30th, 2021. Probably if he said it that way.

01:45:44.000 He probably wouldn't say it that way.

01:45:45.000 This is not a very good way to look at it, but this is what is on that website.

01:45:50.000 Oh.

01:45:51.000 It's already blurry.

01:45:52.000 It's already blurry.

01:45:53.000 But take a look at the sign.

01:45:54.000 You can see that it's...

01:45:55.000 The left side, that the sign is like two signs.

01:45:58.000 It's not a real image.

01:45:59.000 What's crazy is it's still super blurry.

01:46:01.000 Exactly.

01:46:02.000 We made a joke.

01:46:03.000 We called it the Rorschach test.

01:46:05.000 That, you know, if you want to figure out someone's politics, show them an inkblotch, an inkblotch, and then this image.

01:46:10.000 And if they say it shows Kyle Reynolds pointing a gun at someone, then, you know, you know their politics.

01:46:15.000 I'm exhausted about this subject.

01:46:16.000 I think we've covered it enough.

01:46:18.000 Oh, for sure.

01:46:19.000 But there's no...

01:46:20.000 I thought the verdict would have...

01:46:22.000 No, there's still...

01:46:23.000 I was looking this up right now.

01:46:24.000 They're talking about it in court.

01:46:26.000 I think they're actually watching the video in HD. They were going back and forth about, like, was there a compression error with the email being sent?

01:46:33.000 Did it change the file name?

01:46:35.000 And they're trying to prove that this can or can't...

01:46:36.000 I'm just trying to, like, figure it out, but...

01:46:40.000 But it's just weird that it's become a race issue.

01:46:43.000 For sure, man.

01:46:45.000 A white guy shooting white guys, and then there's so many Black Lives Matter people that have a vested interest in this guy being found guilty.

01:46:54.000 You know what's fascinating is, right now, I like using civics for polling because they have a long track where they show you real-time polling throughout every time they implement the poll over years.

01:47:03.000 Black Lives Matter today is tied.

01:47:06.000 44% opposition, 44% support.

01:47:09.000 What's interesting here is that when the George Floyd incident happened, support for Black Lives Matter skyrocketed.

01:47:16.000 Then the riots happened and it plummeted.

01:47:18.000 And now opposition is rivaling.

01:47:20.000 So I tell people, man, the violence really makes you lose politically.

01:47:26.000 And if they kept it peaceful, they would own politics right now in this country.

01:47:30.000 I know, but that's what the crazy narrative is that the peacefulness doesn't work and that you have to, you know, crack some eggs to make an omelet.

01:47:39.000 It's just not true.

01:47:40.000 Well, the thing is, like, it doesn't work when it comes to polling, but it does work in terms of, like, people placating, people giving in to it, people that are scared, especially liberals.

01:47:52.000 Like, liberals in the sense of, or in the face of that kind of violence, immediately show that they're in support of those people. 0.94

01:48:01.000 So they'll show they're in support of the violence, they'll show they're in support of Black Lives Matter, and they'll do it because they're cowards. 0.93

01:48:07.000 And they'll put it on their Instagram, and they'll put it on their Twitter, and they'll do it publicly to virtue signal and let everybody know that they're on the right side.

01:48:15.000 And a lot of it is because of fear.

01:48:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:19.000 Virtue signaling.

01:48:20.000 But take a look at what happened in New Jersey with that Republican state senator.

01:48:23.000 You saw that story, right?

01:48:24.000 Edward Durr, I think his name is, spent $153 to run as a Republican.

01:48:30.000 Yes.

01:48:30.000 He's a trucker, and he did not campaign beyond that, and he beat the incumbent Democrat.

01:48:36.000 Yeah.

01:48:36.000 I think we're at a point where when you get Democrats placating...

01:48:40.000 Defending or supporting the violence, regular people would vote for a ham sandwich over the establishment.

01:48:45.000 Well, then there's also the weirdness of that election. 0.99

01:48:48.000 The governor's election, the election for governor in New Jersey is fucking... 0.98

01:48:53.000 It's all these mail-in ballots. 0.99

01:48:57.000 Like, that's just...

01:49:00.000 The easiest way to rig an election, like, they've shown, like, when you talk to experts in election results and the ability to manipulate, they say that the most vulnerable aspect is mail-in ballots.

01:49:14.000 I'll say this first.

01:49:15.000 I do not believe there was sufficient voter fraud to give Donald Trump a To have stolen the election from Trump.

01:49:24.000 I believe Biden won because rules were changed because of universal mail-in voting, advantage to Democrats.

01:49:30.000 However, in North Jersey, there was a huge story where the courts basically ended an election after the fact, nullified it, and ordered a re-election because they discovered bundles of mail-in votes from different areas, like in one mailbox.

01:49:48.000 I have to pull the story, but there was like 30% of the ballots were like, signatures didn't match and stuff like that.

01:49:55.000 Now, in the governor race in New Jersey, and I'm not saying that he lost because of voter fraud, but there was a report from Northern Jersey, 100% reporting Republican victory, and then overnight,

01:50:11.000 100% reporting Democrat victory.

01:50:13.000 So a lot of people saw that and said, how did they report 100%?

01:50:17.000 Right.

01:50:17.000 And then the votes changed.

01:50:18.000 Yeah.

01:50:19.000 I don't know.

01:50:19.000 I don't know either.

01:50:20.000 But I know that North Jersey's got some problems.

01:50:23.000 North Jersey's corrupt. 0.93

01:50:24.000 It's always been corrupt. 1.00

01:50:25.000 And there's room for fuckery. 1.00

01:50:27.000 There's a lot of room for fuckery when it comes to mail-in ballots. 0.99

01:50:30.000 There just is.

01:50:31.000 And that's one of the reasons why people are so skeptical, people that are enforcing the idea of using mail-in ballots.

01:50:38.000 The mail-in ballot concept came up during this election because of the pandemic.

01:50:42.000 People are like, it's the only way to be safe.

01:50:43.000 Mail-in ballots are safer.

01:50:44.000 You don't want people to go to an official polling place and run the risk of catching COVID. That's true, but before, it was in October of 2020, Pennsylvania, Republicans passed universal mail-in voting unconstitutionally Before there was an outbreak of anything.

01:51:01.000 And this is an interesting story.

01:51:03.000 They initially tried to create universal absentee, but found the Constitution of Pennsylvania bars universal mail-in voting.

01:51:10.000 Well, see, the thing about mail-in voting, I don't think it's specific to one party or the other. 0.72

01:51:17.000 If they want fuckery, if the right wants fuckery or the left wants fuckery, it seems to be the best path.

01:51:24.000 Within reason, but the Democrats are heavily advantaged by mail-in voting. 0.97

01:51:28.000 So you get, you're in New York City.

01:51:30.000 You've got a building complex with 100 apartments or 100 condos.

01:51:34.000 You get two Democrat activists to walk in the building and knock on the door.

01:51:38.000 Family answers.

01:51:39.000 You say, I see you got a mail-in ballot right there on your table.

01:51:42.000 Did you fill it out yet?

01:51:43.000 And he goes, no, I didn't.

01:51:43.000 Why don't you fill it out?

01:51:44.000 Put it in the mailbox of the mailman.

01:51:45.000 I'll get it for you.

01:51:46.000 That's not illegal.

01:51:47.000 They can cover all 100 of those families in one day.

01:51:52.000 Now you do Republicans who tend to live in rural and suburban areas.

01:51:55.000 What are you going to do?

01:51:56.000 Can you drive 100 miles in one day to get the same amount of families? 0.99

01:51:58.000 Is that effective, that door-to-door shit? 0.99

01:52:00.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:52:01.000 Is it?

01:52:01.000 Especially, so I used to do a lot of fundraising, vote registration, activism stuff.

01:52:05.000 And funny enough, it was for like democratic causes and registering to vote Democrats and things like that.

01:52:11.000 I didn't do, I didn't, we would do postcarding.

01:52:13.000 I did non-profit fundraising on the streets.

01:52:14.000 We'd get people to fill out cards.

01:52:16.000 It works.

01:52:17.000 I mean, when you get 10,000 postcards dumped on a congressperson's desk, it plays a role.

01:52:25.000 So when we would do fundraising, the crazy thing was I would get people to give over their credit card information, sign up on the street for Greenpeace.

01:52:35.000 I could convince.

01:52:37.000 For the short stint I was there, I was one of the top in the nation walking up to a stranger and within a minute getting their credit card and writing it all down and walking away.

01:52:46.000 When you see, when you knock on a door and someone says, you know, hey, you know, what's going on?

01:52:51.000 You say, we want to make sure everybody's voting.

01:52:53.000 It's so important.

01:52:54.000 And we know you got your mail-in vote.

01:52:55.000 Why don't you fill it out right here while we wait?

01:52:57.000 Put it in your mailbox.

01:52:58.000 The mailman will take it for you.

01:53:00.000 Maybe it's 1 in 10 say yes.

01:53:02.000 But if it's 1 in 10, it's 1 in 10 for Republican, Libertarian, you know, Democrat, whatever.

01:53:07.000 If the Democrats have the ability to use population density in that regard to their advantage, universal mail-in voting as a function is just advantaging Democrats over Republicans.

01:53:17.000 I'm so burnt out.

01:53:19.000 I really am. 1.00

01:53:20.000 I'm burnt out on all this shit. 1.00

01:53:21.000 Bro, and I'm doing a show tonight. 1.00

01:53:23.000 I just talk too much.

01:53:24.000 I just find it...

01:53:25.000 It's exhausting.

01:53:27.000 It's exhausting and it's just...

01:53:30.000 The thing about...

01:53:32.000 Even the concept of voter fraud, it just removes so much enthusiasm people have for the process if they really think that there's fuckery going on.

01:53:41.000 It makes some people angry, but for a lot of people, it almost makes them apathetic.

01:53:44.000 Because it makes them just feel like there's no hope.

01:53:47.000 Well, that's why my personal belief is that the Trump narrative around fraud, about how he really won, is actually meant to just destabilize the populist movement.

01:53:57.000 I don't know about that.

01:53:59.000 He thought that he won.

01:54:00.000 He wanted people—he thought there was going to be some chance that someone was going to change the vote.

01:54:04.000 He fell for it.

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:06.000 Well, whether he fell for it or not, whether he really believed that he had the kind of influence—I mean, when you're the president of the United States for four years, and you're actually getting a lot of good things done— He's getting a lot of good things done in regards to trade, in regards to some of the impacts it's having on businesses.

01:54:24.000 And then the COVID hits, the shit hits the fan, everything's falling apart, and then he loses the election.

01:54:31.000 And he's still of the mind that he has all this influence. 0.99

01:54:35.000 And he probably thought he could get people to overturn the election or change the election.

01:54:40.000 I think Trump really believes it.

01:54:41.000 I think he genuinely believes it. 1.00

01:54:44.000 You look at this, there's a lot of questionable shit. 0.98

01:54:47.000 Well, the thing is, it's not 0% voter fraud. 0.99

01:54:50.000 Right.

01:54:50.000 Like, what's the percent?

01:54:51.000 Like, in every vote, by the way, every vote, there's some percentage of voter fraud.

01:54:56.000 This is what's weird about this introduction of illegal aliens into this country. 1.00

01:55:01.000 At the same time, they're promoting this idea that you shouldn't have to have an ID to vote.

01:55:06.000 Both those things are so crazy.

01:55:09.000 While it's happening, because at the same time, you have to have a proof of vaccination in order to do a lot of things.

01:55:18.000 So you have to have ID. So ID is racist if you want people to use ID to vote.

01:55:24.000 But ID is mandatory if you want to go to restaurants, if you go to all these other places, because you have to be vaccinated.

01:55:31.000 Because it's so inconsistent.

01:55:34.000 What if I told you that illegal immigrants in this country, each and every one does vote in the presidential election?

01:55:39.000 What?

01:55:40.000 Each and every one.

01:55:42.000 Each and every one.

01:55:42.000 Every illegal alien does not vote.

01:55:45.000 Every single one.

01:55:46.000 Hold, stop.

01:55:46.000 Well, hold on.

01:55:47.000 I'm obviously making a bit, right?

01:55:49.000 I didn't know you were making a bit.

01:55:50.000 It sounds like nonsense.

01:55:53.000 I think?

01:56:16.000 I think California in 2016 got one additional vote based on their total illegal immigrant population.

01:56:24.000 One extra electoral college vote.

01:56:27.000 So while they don't actually vote by going out and voting...

01:56:31.000 That's not how the presidential election works.

01:56:33.000 Their presence in the state gives congressional federal power to that state to make those votes.

01:56:38.000 Interesting.

01:56:38.000 So they make states where there's like borderline states or where there's states where they're, you know, could swing one way or the other.

01:56:46.000 And they make those more accessible to illegal aliens.

01:56:49.000 Thus, they get additional seats.

01:56:51.000 It takes 10 years.

01:56:53.000 It takes the census, which I believe is every 10 years, right?

01:56:56.000 I don't know which states they're doing.

01:56:58.000 I'm not saying there's a conspiracy to do it, but it is true that if you look at the illegal immigrant population per state, you can calculate how many electoral votes they'll get.

01:57:07.000 Well, they're piling into Texas.

01:57:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:11.000 They're piling into Texas.

01:57:12.000 But where are they piling?

01:57:13.000 If they pile into urban centers, then what will happen is, say, Austin will have to expand and produce a couple more districts, a couple more congressional seats.

01:57:23.000 Then Texas will get more electoral votes.

01:57:26.000 It won't give them the power to turn Texas necessarily into a blue state for Texas itself, but it will give them extra electoral votes, which could make Texas a blue presidential state.

01:57:38.000 See, here's the thing.

01:57:39.000 Most people have no idea about this stuff.

01:57:41.000 Most people are just...

01:57:43.000 It's not willful ignorance.

01:57:45.000 It's almost they're overwhelmed by just the sheer amount of data, the sheer amount of information that you must have to have in order to make an informed decision. 0.99

01:57:54.000 I mean, when you're going into the voting booth, how many people really know who the fuck these congresspeople are? 0.96

01:58:00.000 How many people really know who's running for Senate? 0.98

01:58:03.000 How many people really are aware?

01:58:05.000 It's so few.

01:58:06.000 In, I think, New Hampshire, a trans-Satanist anarchist won the Republican primary for sheriff to prove a point, that people voted based on D or R and not on the candidate.

01:58:18.000 Um, find that.

01:58:20.000 We need to find that.

01:58:21.000 Trans-Satanist-Anarchist-Sheriff.

01:58:24.000 Where?

01:58:25.000 I think New Hampshire, but, you know, you can...

01:58:27.000 There's 18 people in New Hampshire. 0.99

01:58:29.000 They don't know what the fuck they're doing. 1.00

01:58:30.000 They're all drunk. 1.00

01:58:31.000 They went in, and they saw a Republican, and they checked up the box and just voted for it.

01:58:35.000 I also think the anarchists may have been running unopposed, so people were just like, you get my vote, but when they found out who they voted for, they got really, really mad.

01:58:45.000 Not everybody, but some people were like, here we go.

01:58:49.000 So what's next for the trans-satanic anarchist who lost her bid for Cheshire County Sheriff? 0.98

01:58:56.000 It was the primary that she won.

01:58:59.000 Wow.

01:59:00.000 I believe, I believe.

01:59:02.000 Yeah, okay, there you go.

01:59:03.000 Look at that, more than 4,000...

01:59:06.000 Anti-police Satanist runs for sheriff as Republican in New Hampshire.

01:59:12.000 4,200 Republicans.

01:59:14.000 Is that a gun on her hip? 0.62

01:59:15.000 Probably.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, looks like it.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:59:17.000 A magazine?

01:59:18.000 Yeah.

01:59:19.000 No, it's a concealed carry.

01:59:19.000 I dig it.

01:59:20.000 I love it.

01:59:21.000 New Hampshire with these...

01:59:23.000 Jesus Christ.

01:59:25.000 Hold on, stop.

01:59:27.000 Aria DiMezio, a transgender woman in her early 30s, has become a minor celebrity and the target of online attacks, vandalism, including homophobic slur, spray-painted on her car.

01:59:40.000 And a write-in campaign to weaken her chances. 1.00

01:59:44.000 Wow.

01:59:44.000 The lone Republican candidate for Cheshire County Sheriff in September's primary.

01:59:48.000 Most voters blindly checked the box next to her name.

01:59:51.000 She believes.

01:59:52.000 Most voters blindly checked the box next to her name.

01:59:55.000 She only registered as a Republican at the last second after concluding her bid to get on the ballot as a Libertarian.

02:00:01.000 Her preferred party would have required gathering signatures amid the coronavirus pandemic.

02:00:07.000 Wow.

02:00:07.000 I love it.

02:00:08.000 Now that is culture jamming.

02:00:10.000 That is a statement right there.

02:00:11.000 It's pretty wild, man.

02:00:13.000 New Hampshire's a crazy fun place, I gotta say, man.

02:00:15.000 Live free or die.

02:00:16.000 And the Free State Project?

02:00:18.000 Yeah.

02:00:19.000 Ah, they're winning.

02:00:19.000 There's just not a lot of people up there.

02:00:21.000 That's also where Ghislaine was hiding in the woods. 0.99

02:00:25.000 Okay, that kind of fucked up. 0.99

02:00:27.000 When they found her. 0.98

02:00:27.000 Well, I mean, it's just woods. 0.98

02:00:29.000 It's a lot of woods up there.

02:00:30.000 Her trial just started this week.

02:00:31.000 What's going on with that?

02:00:32.000 They're picking a jury today. 0.63

02:00:33.000 How have they not killed her? 1.00

02:00:34.000 Seems like they should have killed her. 0.94

02:00:36.000 I mean, I don't think they should, but seems like... 0.99

02:00:39.000 Not should.

02:00:39.000 I mean, like the people that killed Epstein, which they did.

02:00:44.000 I read they're going to name high-profile people, supposedly. 0.99

02:00:48.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

02:00:49.000 I wonder if Gates goes down. 0.99

02:00:52.000 If this vaccine injury thing gets really out of hand, and if this smallpox thing leads to something, or if there's any inkling whatsoever that some people who have financial motives want more people to get vaccinated or want...

02:01:08.000 People get vaccinated that don't need it or if there's any kind of discussion about this.

02:01:11.000 It'd be interesting to see if they decide to throw someone high profile under the bus to cover up their tracks.

02:01:18.000 You see Fauci shaking when he was being questioned by Rand Paul?

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 I mean, this is remarkable to me that Rand Paul holds up the study that says chimeric hybrid viruses manufactured and funded by the NIH, NIAID, and Fauci is like...

02:01:35.000 We did not do that, and it's like, how?

02:01:37.000 Well, the NIH has admitted they funded gain-of-function research, and then Fauci tries to change the definition of a gain-of-function means, and that's what he's doing while Rand Paul is questioning.

02:01:49.000 But Rand Paul, who...

02:01:51.000 Is actually a doctor.

02:01:52.000 And that's the problem.

02:01:54.000 He understands these things.

02:01:56.000 But Fauci, that was the first time where he didn't seem arrogant when he was being questioned.

02:02:03.000 It seemed like he was in trouble.

02:02:05.000 His hand.

02:02:06.000 The first time.

02:02:07.000 He's old.

02:02:08.000 He's 80. For sure.

02:02:09.000 His hand might shake all the time.

02:02:10.000 I mean...

02:02:12.000 And that's true.

02:02:13.000 The way he's talking though is very different.

02:02:16.000 When Rand Paul said, he said, are you finally willing to admit, you know, that you were not telling the truth and that you did fund gain-of-function research?

02:02:24.000 And he was trying to say the definitions as defined, like he just tries to skirt around what it is.

02:02:33.000 It's almost like the term gain-of-function is a real problem.

02:02:36.000 What he maybe should have said is, Did you fund the enhancement of virus research?

02:02:43.000 Did you fund research that made viruses more contagious, more virulent, and more susceptible to the human population?

02:02:53.000 They would have had to say yes to that.

02:02:54.000 You can one up it and say, did you fund research on coronaviruses that originated in bats in China to make them infect lung cells?

02:03:03.000 Yeah.

02:03:03.000 And the answer is yes.

02:03:04.000 And then COVID-19 comes from where and does what?

02:03:07.000 Right.

02:03:07.000 It does that.

02:03:08.000 The problem is the term gain of function, which a lot of people don't know. 0.98

02:03:11.000 And then, you know, Francis Collins, who's the head of the NIH, was on the Lex Friedman podcast and just said a bunch of shit that's not true. 0.99

02:03:18.000 It was really fucked to watch. 0.99

02:03:21.000 One of the things that he said was not true was he said that that pro wrestler that what the fuck is the guy's name? 0.99

02:03:28.000 I forget his name. 1.00

02:03:30.000 Big fucking stud of a man. 0.99

02:03:32.000 And he was talking about the guy like, he almost died. 1.00

02:03:34.000 Did not almost die.

02:03:36.000 Said he had mild symptoms.

02:03:38.000 Wow.

02:03:39.000 Specifically from him.

02:03:40.000 So this guy is just a propagandist.

02:03:42.000 How does Lex allow that?

02:03:44.000 Oh man, Lex is too nice.

02:03:45.000 You know, in those kind of situations, like, Lex is fantastic when he's interviewing people about their field of study and asking them questions about, you know, their research or whatever.

02:03:57.000 But when it comes to catching someone in a lie, you gotta be someone who can...

02:04:01.000 Go, stop.

02:04:03.000 Stop.

02:04:03.000 And, you know, that's what I had to do with Sanjay Gupta, right?

02:04:07.000 These kind of conversations, these uncomfortable conversations, that's not Lex's strong point.

02:04:12.000 Lex is a sweetheart of a guy.

02:04:13.000 And he's allowing people to just express themselves.

02:04:17.000 But then in the comments, people were furious.

02:04:19.000 And then the analysis by experts, people were much more furious.

02:04:23.000 Because they're like, there's so many things that this man said that are provably untrue.

02:04:27.000 It sounds familiar.

02:04:28.000 Including his defense of Fauci.

02:04:29.000 Like the way he was defending Fauci, saying that Fauci's done nothing wrong, that it's all political attacks on him.

02:04:35.000 No, this is not...

02:04:35.000 Rand Paul is not making a political attack on him.

02:04:38.000 He's saying very specifically, you have led people...

02:04:43.000 You have led them...

02:04:45.000 To believe that there was no gain-of-function research going on when the NIH has said, yes, we did gain-of-function research.

02:04:52.000 The NIH has finally admitted it.

02:04:54.000 Fauci still won't.

02:04:55.000 But his tone and demeanor are very different now than they were before.

02:04:59.000 They did try walking it back, though.

02:05:01.000 They issued this letter where it was like, we did these things we're accused of.

02:05:05.000 And then once the news broke, like, wow, they actually admitted it.

02:05:08.000 They were like, actually, we're going to say what Fauci said.

02:05:11.000 Definition's different.

02:05:11.000 Oh, they did?

02:05:13.000 Something like that.

02:05:14.000 They tried walking it back or something. 0.98

02:05:15.000 Yeah, the definitions are so fucking squirrely. 0.96

02:05:18.000 It's like you're just doing word jujitsu. 0.99

02:05:20.000 What is it with white supremacists?

02:05:22.000 It's the same thing, you know? 0.90

02:05:23.000 That's way worse, because that's just clearly deceptive.

02:05:26.000 I loved when Fauci was answering the question about gain-of-function.

02:05:29.000 It was like, the best way I can explain it is Rand Paul goes, Dr. Fauci, did you put a door on the building?

02:05:36.000 And Fauci goes, we did not put a door on the building.

02:05:39.000 It's simply a large piece of wood with a knob that when you turn, the object will open up, allowing you to pass through.

02:05:46.000 By definition, it is not a door.

02:05:49.000 It's more like a wall that moves when you turn a knob.

02:05:52.000 There's a video of him talking about people catching AIDS just being in the house with people that have AIDS from the 1980s.

02:05:58.000 I saw that.

02:05:58.000 That's right.

02:05:58.000 He's always been a fear monger.

02:06:01.000 I mean, if you're a guy who is the head expert in infectious diseases, I guess you have to think of what's the worst case scenario.

02:06:10.000 The worst case scenario would be that AIDS would spread through the house just by people breathing on each other.

02:06:15.000 So that's what he was saying, but it was not true.

02:06:17.000 That's right.

02:06:17.000 But then, you know, the argument for him is like, hey, this happens all the time in science, and they have to make corrections.

02:06:25.000 And this is called following the data.

02:06:27.000 And that's actually showing that science is correct, that science is working.

02:06:31.000 Because the conclusions change based upon the data.

02:06:35.000 And that's what he said, if you're attacking me, they're really attacking the science.

02:06:39.000 Well, you use the third person.

02:06:40.000 That's a problem.

02:06:41.000 When they're attacking Fauci?

02:06:42.000 When you're attacking Anthony Fauci, you're really attacking science.

02:06:47.000 Now, he's got in his office a big portrait of himself.

02:06:50.000 That's not good either.

02:06:51.000 It's not good.

02:06:52.000 You know, it's like it's one thing if, you know, there's a big Joe Rogan experience sign right in front of me, but we're doing a show.

02:06:58.000 People are going to see the branding.

02:06:59.000 It's another thing to work in your own office with a big portrait of yourself right in front of you.

02:07:03.000 Maybe someone gave it to him as a gift.

02:07:05.000 Maybe his wife gave it to him.

02:07:06.000 He wants to have it in his office.

02:07:07.000 That's a good point.

02:07:08.000 It's a good point.

02:07:08.000 Somebody sent a drawing of us on our show, and I thought about that.

02:07:12.000 Like, well, what am I supposed to do?

02:07:14.000 Burn it. 1.00

02:07:15.000 Destroy it, smash it, throw it in the garbage. 1.00

02:07:16.000 Brought it in an online live video. 0.99

02:07:19.000 Here's my favorite Fauci arc.

02:07:21.000 He goes on TV, I think it was CNN, and he's talking about stuff like normal, and they ask him, now, Dr. Fauci, you say people should wear masks, but wouldn't it make sense if people wore two masks because that would be more effective?

02:07:33.000 And he goes, yeah, it's common sense that two masks would be more effective.

02:07:38.000 And then he goes on TV a few days later and they were like, so you advised people to wear two masks.

02:07:44.000 And he goes, I did not, there is nothing saying to wear two masks.

02:07:47.000 And then a few days later the CDC comes out and says people should wear two masks.

02:07:50.000 I feel like a lot of this advice came from just like winging it.

02:07:55.000 They banned their two masks thing though.

02:07:56.000 Notice that?

02:07:57.000 Silently abandon the two-mask thing.

02:07:58.000 It's not yet right.

02:07:59.000 It's gone.

02:08:00.000 It's gone. 0.97

02:08:00.000 But there were so many dorks that were wearing two masks, they wanted to show they were compliant. 0.97

02:08:04.000 So they'd have the surgical mask underneath the cloth mask and showing everyone that they're on board with the science. 0.60

02:08:10.000 To be fair, they also abandoned the two-vax thing.

02:08:13.000 It used to be like, get two shots and you are good, and now it's get three shots.

02:08:17.000 Well, that's what Europe is saying.

02:08:21.000 Israel was the first place to not count you as fully vaccinated unless you have your booster.

02:08:25.000 And now they're doing that in other states, and they're talking about doing that in the UK. They did.

02:08:33.000 They're saying that in England.

02:08:34.000 In the UK, in order to get your COVID passport formalized, it's three shots now.

02:08:40.000 New York City just announced they opened up boosters to everyone.

02:08:43.000 18 plus.

02:08:44.000 Right, but are they enforcing it in terms of like, you know, New York City has a vaccination mandate where you have to have a vaccine in order to go into restaurants and bars and what have you, and gyms, I believe.

02:08:56.000 It's just an attack on business.

02:08:58.000 And it's also an attack on Mayaris.

02:09:00.000 Because one of the things about vaccines is the highest percentage of people that are non-vaccinated are African Americans.

02:09:07.000 That's actually like a critical race argument.

02:09:11.000 Yeah.

02:09:11.000 And it's funny that the critical race groups aren't actually bringing that up.

02:09:17.000 Yeah.

02:09:17.000 Well, some of them are.

02:09:18.000 Black Lives Matter are.

02:09:20.000 That's right.

02:09:20.000 And they marched with Trump supporters.

02:09:22.000 Yeah.

02:09:22.000 There were a few instances of that.

02:09:23.000 And it's funny how the media doesn't know how to address this happening. 0.98

02:09:26.000 I mean, the African-American community has a long history of distrust in the medical institution, going back to the Tuskegee experiment and a bunch of other shit. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Dark shit. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Yeah, dark shit. 1.00

02:09:37.000 They're right. 1.00

02:09:38.000 And it's funny, when African-American celebrities talk about vaccines, except athletes, like Charlemagne the God, and he had a conversation about it. 0.67

02:09:49.000 He was like, I don't trust it.

02:09:52.000 Show me that you care about the black community.

02:09:55.000 Show me you care about African-American communities, and then I'll entertain this. 1.00

02:10:00.000 Until then, why would I do that?

02:10:02.000 Tyree Irving.

02:10:02.000 People just let him go.

02:10:03.000 Yeah, but they attacked him.

02:10:05.000 They attacked Kyrie Irving. 0.99

02:10:06.000 Even Chris Rock was calling him a dumb motherfucker, which is hilarious because Chris Rock got vaccinated and then got COVID and was hospitalized. 0.99

02:10:14.000 Meanwhile, there's a lot of people that weren't. 0.99

02:10:19.000 It's like, how much of a protection did it provide you at a certain point in time?

02:10:22.000 Because I think he got the J&J, and after six, seven months, whatever it's been, That's not doing much for you.

02:10:30.000 It feels like they're trying to stuff us into the matrix because it's really hard to talk about the stuff, even in, you know...

02:10:36.000 Well, thank God we have podcasts.

02:10:38.000 This is the thing, that this is happening at the same time that podcasts happen.

02:10:41.000 And not all podcasts, because Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying, their podcast has been demonetized for that very reason.

02:10:47.000 And those folks...

02:10:49.000 Are actual evolutionary biologists and biologists that are talking to science experts and they're very careful with their words. 0.92

02:10:56.000 They're very careful with- they're not like us, we're just talking shit off the top of our head and wrong about a lot of things.

02:11:01.000 These are actual experts, actual scholars.

02:11:04.000 And when they discuss these things, they get demonetized and some episodes actually get removed, you know, depending upon who you are and what you talk about.

02:11:12.000 If you have certain subjects get discussed that they decide are, you know, encouraging vaccine hesitancy or whatever, they just remove them.

02:11:22.000 This is the crazy thing, too.

02:11:23.000 I consider myself to be a rule lawyer for these social media platforms, trying to make sure we figure out how you navigate a minefield.

02:11:29.000 And so one of the things that's important, too, is The rules for, like, why Brett Weinstein gets a strike, you can't advocate for ivermectin.

02:11:37.000 And they also say, you must inform, if you're talking about ivermectin, it's not FDA approved, and certain things like that.

02:11:46.000 But it's hard to know because they enforce it arbitrarily.

02:11:49.000 So, you know, I often just tell people, and I think it's true, I don't know.

02:11:54.000 I don't know about this stuff.

02:11:56.000 I'm not a scientist.

02:11:57.000 I'm not a doctor.

02:11:57.000 I certainly understand that if there are a lot of studies and there are talking about the efficacy of ivermectin, we should be allowed to have a conversation about it and give our opinions.

02:12:05.000 I think it's also fair to say I'm not going to recommend anything to you.

02:12:08.000 I had Peter T on my podcast, who's a doctor, and one of the things he said, he said, I don't like when information is being withheld.

02:12:17.000 I don't like when they're trying to establish a narrative.

02:12:21.000 He goes, all the information should be on the table.

02:12:24.000 The information that shows what the vaccine does, it's good.

02:12:27.000 The information that shows where it wanes, the information that shows vaccine injuries, all those things should be on the table and we should analyze all those things.

02:12:35.000 But that's not what the case is.

02:12:38.000 It's very difficult when someone has a vaccine injury to even find a story on them in Google.

02:12:42.000 You have to go to DuckDuckGo.

02:12:44.000 I found that over and over and over again.

02:12:46.000 That scares me.

02:12:49.000 It's weird.

02:12:49.000 It's curating information.

02:12:50.000 It's like they're deciding what the narrative is based on what they think you should be allowed to have access to.

02:12:58.000 So it's not the actual...

02:12:59.000 When you're researching that information and you're saying, well, I want to find out what's going on, you're not getting the full story.

02:13:05.000 You're only getting the story that they want to provide you.

02:13:07.000 It's like MSNBC. They select bits and pieces to only show one narrative.

02:13:14.000 I suppose you could say the same thing for a lot of what Fox News does when you get these.

02:13:17.000 I think Matt Taibbi has a great book.

02:13:19.000 I think it's called Hate Inc.

02:13:19.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.

02:13:21.000 Yeah, it's got Rachel Maddow and Bill O'Reilly on the cover.

02:13:24.000 Right.

02:13:24.000 And he's basically made—I think Bill O'Reilly's on the cover—but he made the argument in another article that Rachel Maddow is Bill O'Reilly.

02:13:31.000 And she's another one. 1.00

02:13:34.000 She doubled down on that fake Rolling Stone article about people having horse dewormer overdoses, and they were— Overwhelming the hospital in Oklahoma to the point where gunshot victims were not allowed to get into the emergency room. 0.99

02:13:48.000 A fucking complete fabrication. 0.98

02:13:51.000 No research on it whatsoever. 1.00

02:13:53.000 Just total horseshit. 0.99

02:13:55.000 Not only did she tweet about it, but then she doubled down and defended her tweet based on, I think, calls to the Poison Control Center, which doesn't mean jack shit. 0.99

02:14:04.000 Here's the call for the Poison Control Center. 0.92

02:14:06.000 Hey, I just took...

02:14:08.000 Ivermectin.

02:14:09.000 I thought it was a 6-milligram tablet.

02:14:11.000 It turns out it was 12 and I took two of them.

02:14:13.000 Am I okay?

02:14:14.000 That's a call to the poison control.

02:14:15.000 You're fine.

02:14:15.000 Yeah, but what Peter Atiyah said on my podcast the other day, the one that came out today, he said, the sheer number of people who have taken ivermectin is so overwhelming.

02:14:26.000 There's been more than 4 billion doses handed out.

02:14:30.000 And the amount of people that have actually had adverse injuries or things, it's like 20. Out of 4 billion people, I forget what the actual number is, it might be 28 or whatever the fuck it is, it might be 8. Whatever it is, it's a very, very small number in comparison to the 4 billion people.

02:14:49.000 I don't understand how, you know, Rachel Maddow, she did the Russiagate stuff for years.

02:14:53.000 Yeah.

02:14:54.000 It's been fake for a long time.

02:14:56.000 But how do you as a viewer of MSNBC watching her show...

02:15:00.000 Be lied to so often, but not eventually realize you're being lied to.

02:15:04.000 What happens to those people?

02:15:06.000 Do you think they know they're lying?

02:15:08.000 Do you think they say something because they know they can say it?

02:15:12.000 And if they do say it, then it helps their party.

02:15:15.000 Because it makes the other party look like they're corrupt and they're criminals and they're in collusion with the Russians.

02:15:19.000 I wish I could read minds, man.

02:15:20.000 I wish I could, too.

02:15:21.000 I wish I knew.

02:15:24.000 Here's one thing about your show and one thing about my show. 0.97

02:15:27.000 There's no one fucking telling us what to say. 0.98

02:15:29.000 And I think that drives people crazy. 0.99

02:15:30.000 I really do. 0.99

02:15:31.000 But in that, whether you think I'm a moron or you're a moron or we're right or we're wrong, at least you know that if I'm saying something, it's because I've read some things, I've talked to some people, this is what I've seen, this is what I've read, here's my opinion. 0.99

02:15:48.000 That's it! 0.99

02:15:49.000 There's no fucking voice on high that's showing up with a clipboard and has a bunch of notes of things that I'm gonna discuss, talking points on the show. 0.98

02:15:59.000 There are some issues, though. 0.98

02:16:00.000 Do they?

02:16:01.000 But do they?

02:16:01.000 Do they have those?

02:16:02.000 That's the question.

02:16:04.000 I want to know.

02:16:05.000 I think...

02:16:05.000 Like the Chris Cuomo thing about rioting.

02:16:07.000 Who says they have to be peaceful protesters?

02:16:09.000 Yeah.

02:16:09.000 Did somebody say that to him?

02:16:11.000 Like, how does that work?

02:16:12.000 Someone told me that Fox does have some certain subject is like, don't bring it up, it's off limits.

02:16:18.000 Really?

02:16:19.000 Yeah, and I think it's ivermectin.

02:16:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:22.000 But if I could, you know, it's something someone told me in passing when talking about the network.

02:16:27.000 Because they do, I believe Fox does have a vaccine mandate, but it's not like the same kind of vaccine mandate.

02:16:32.000 It's something like...

02:16:33.000 Get tested rarely or something like that.

02:16:36.000 Well, that was the other thing about Biden's mandate, was that if you weren't vaccinated, you had to be subject to, I think it was weekly tests.

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:44.000 Which I think people should be subject to anyway.

02:16:47.000 If you're working in an environment where you could possibly spread a disease that really can fuck people up, Two things should be taken into consideration.

02:16:55.000 One, you should have a treatment plan available to the people who work for you.

02:17:00.000 That's what I do.

02:17:01.000 When something happens with someone that I know or someone who's working here, now we have options. 0.92

02:17:08.000 When it first started happening, like when Jamie got sick over a year ago, we didn't know shit. 0.85

02:17:13.000 What do you do? 0.92

02:17:14.000 Jamie just kind of laid low and got lucky that he had a mild case.

02:17:17.000 But now, we have pieces in motion, we have information to work with, and we have experience.

02:17:23.000 We've had a bunch of people had COVID, and we have some positive results, based on the medications that I recommended to you.

02:17:31.000 I also recommended to Aaron Rodgers.

02:17:33.000 I mean, we have a medical team that we talk to, that gives us, and it works! 0.99

02:17:38.000 It fucking works! 0.99

02:17:39.000 But now, hold on! 0.99

02:17:40.000 If you are a person that has an office and you employ a hundred people or whatever, it makes sense to just test people.

02:17:49.000 We test everyone here every day.

02:17:52.000 And everyone here has had COVID. Everyone.

02:17:55.000 How much does it cost?

02:17:56.000 Not much.

02:17:58.000 It's like 20 bucks a test.

02:17:59.000 It's not expensive, man.

02:18:01.000 I guess, you know, I'm not a fan of...

02:18:05.000 Medical mandates?

02:18:06.000 Tests are certainly a lower...

02:18:08.000 It's not a mandate to test people.

02:18:10.000 No, no, you said everyone should be getting tested anyway.

02:18:13.000 It's just smart.

02:18:14.000 It's a great service to provide to your employees.

02:18:17.000 If they show up for work, and there's a case at Vulcan the other day, the comedy club that we perform at.

02:18:24.000 One guy showed up, and he had a headache, and they said, hey...

02:18:28.000 What do you mean you got a headache?

02:18:29.000 What's going on?

02:18:30.000 He's like, oh, I just feel real tired.

02:18:31.000 I got a headache.

02:18:32.000 And he goes, listen, we're going to test you.

02:18:33.000 They test him right away.

02:18:35.000 He's got COVID. They send him home.

02:18:37.000 Amazing.

02:18:38.000 They prevented this guy from getting in there and spreading it to the audience, spreading it to the other employees.

02:18:44.000 They caught it in its tracks.

02:18:45.000 It was a wise, intelligent move if you have a business.

02:18:48.000 Agreed.

02:18:49.000 Right.

02:18:49.000 That's part of the mandate.

02:18:50.000 That was part of Biden's mandate.

02:18:52.000 That made sense.

02:18:53.000 Here's the problem. 0.99

02:18:54.000 The problem is when you say you either have to be vaccinated or test, the dumb thing about that is if you're vaccinated, you can fucking spread it. 0.99

02:19:04.000 We know that now. 0.98

02:19:05.000 I right now know six people that have been hospitalized that were vaccinated.

02:19:12.000 Six! 0.76

02:19:13.000 We had two breakthrough cases in our outbreak.

02:19:15.000 I know more than 15 people that have had breakthrough cases.

02:19:18.000 Yeah.

02:19:19.000 I'm trying to keep track of it.

02:19:20.000 It might be even closer to 20. I like the idea of a business being like, we're going to provide tests for everybody.

02:19:26.000 If you're feeling sick, just let us know.

02:19:28.000 But I don't like the idea of the president going around the legislative branch to issue a rule to force all these people to do it.

02:19:35.000 No, that's not cool.

02:19:35.000 But if you're a conscientious business owner and you have a bunch of people working in the office and you don't want someone to spread it to other people, it is not hard to just provide tests for people.

02:19:44.000 Yo, we had a COVID outbreak and I'm not going to say the names of anybody or anything like that, but some people just didn't really care if they were sick and going to spread it to others.

02:19:52.000 And that's the big challenge.

02:19:54.000 The thing is people don't want to miss work and they don't want to miss money.

02:19:57.000 That's what it is.

02:19:59.000 And this was the thing about this kid that showed up at Vulcan.

02:20:02.000 Yo, I'm...

02:20:03.000 They don't want to admit it, but I'm a lefty, man.

02:20:05.000 I told everybody unlimited sick time, unlimited vacation.

02:20:08.000 I believe in people who work here being passionate.

02:20:11.000 So if you get sick, yo, do what you got to do.

02:20:13.000 But the thing is, some people don't want to admit that they have COVID. That's right.

02:20:19.000 You know, they want to be in denial and they want to keep showing up at work.

02:20:23.000 And I just...

02:20:26.000 That's why I wonder about the whole asymptomatic transmission.

02:20:29.000 Asymptomatic according to who?

02:20:31.000 Yeah.

02:20:31.000 Like how you tested that and they find out someone's got it.

02:20:34.000 Right.

02:20:34.000 Are you sure they were asymptomatic?

02:20:35.000 Maybe they felt like shit and they're just in denial about it. 1.00

02:20:38.000 You know? 0.99

02:20:39.000 That's right, and they're not saying anything.

02:20:41.000 I mean, there have been people that are asymptomatic.

02:20:43.000 Like my real estate lady. 1.00

02:20:45.000 She had no fucking symptoms at all. 1.00

02:20:47.000 She got tested three times. 1.00

02:20:48.000 She couldn't believe she had it.

02:20:49.000 She goes, I never felt anything.

02:20:50.000 Nothing happened.

02:20:52.000 I've heard that, too.

02:20:53.000 Interestingly, also, one of the things that threw us for a loop was, like I said, we had four negative tests when the COVID outbreak started.

02:21:00.000 So when I hear from everybody, like, four people got tested and said we're negative, but they were sick?

02:21:06.000 You know what's interesting about the real estate agent, too?

02:21:09.000 I think she shows no...

02:21:12.000 Antibodies, which is really crazy.

02:21:14.000 Yeah, a year later, a year after having COVID, I don't think her antibodies show up, which is wild.

02:21:19.000 Because, like, she didn't have any symptoms.

02:21:21.000 I wonder if when you don't have any symptoms and you test positive and for whatever reason the virus is just a low viral load on you or whatever it is, your body goes through it.

02:21:31.000 It's enough to test positive, but not enough to generate sufficient antibodies.

02:21:35.000 And then I guess not get sick again.

02:21:37.000 I don't know.

02:21:37.000 Maybe you can get sick again.

02:21:39.000 But she was around a bunch of other people that also got sick, like in a meeting, a large meeting, someone showed up sick.

02:21:45.000 Again, same sort of deal.

02:21:46.000 I just think regular testing is not a problem.

02:21:49.000 It's not hard to do.

02:21:50.000 I don't think it's infringing upon your rights.

02:21:52.000 And I don't think it's like forcing you to, you know, take some sort of a medical or be involved in some sort of a medical procedure or take medication that can be dangerous for you.

02:22:02.000 It's just testing.

02:22:03.000 This is why, you know, I go on rants periodically on my show where I'm like, why are we still having an argument about the science instead of the policy? 0.89

02:22:11.000 Because for me, if a business says, we're going to give all of our employees vaccination whenever they want, ibuprofen, Tylenol, vitamins, we're going to test you if you want it, a free service provided to your employees, fucking awesome. 0.99

02:22:25.000 By the way, ibuprofen is fucking terrible for you. 0.99

02:22:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:22:28.000 This stuff is so bad for your gut. 1.00

02:22:30.000 That's right.

02:22:30.000 It's really bad for you.

02:22:31.000 It causes so much inflammation.

02:22:34.000 My friend Cam Haynes, who runs ultramarathons, he was taking ibuprofen every day, and he was telling me how much he was taking.

02:22:43.000 I'm like, dude, that's a lot.

02:22:45.000 And then I brought it up to Dr. Rhonda Patrick, and she sent me some studies that shows how much inflammation that stuff actually causes because it fucks with your gut bacteria. 0.57

02:22:56.000 So he stops taking it.

02:22:58.000 He stops taking ibuprofen completely and all the pain that he was taking ibuprofen for went away when he stopped taking it. 0.99

02:23:06.000 Taking that shit was causing inflammation. 0.99

02:23:10.000 So taking these non-steroidal anti-inflammatories was actually fucking up his gut bacteria and fucking up his body so bad that it was causing pain. 1.00

02:23:19.000 Wow.

02:23:20.000 Doesn't it, it prevents your body from producing the mucus lining in your stomach?

02:23:24.000 Something like that.

02:23:25.000 I don't know.

02:23:26.000 But he was taking 800 milligrams a day.

02:23:28.000 And I heard about that.

02:23:29.000 I'm like, dude, that is so much.

02:23:31.000 And then I started looking into it.

02:23:33.000 And then I reached out to Rhonda.

02:23:34.000 And Rhonda sent me all the studies and the details. 1.00

02:23:37.000 I'm like, bro, you got to get off that shit right away. 0.99

02:23:40.000 I started doing keto several months ago. 1.00

02:23:42.000 Are you on keto right now?

02:23:44.000 Yeah.

02:23:45.000 Really?

02:23:46.000 Yeah.

02:23:46.000 Do you get tested?

02:23:47.000 No.

02:23:48.000 Do you test your ketones?

02:23:50.000 I'll say that I've been following...

02:23:52.000 I'm not a strict guy.

02:23:53.000 I didn't do this because I was like...

02:23:55.000 I didn't have one day like, I'm going to do keto.

02:23:56.000 I'm going to chug cream and all that stuff.

02:23:58.000 I just decided sugar's gone.

02:24:00.000 Like, sugar is bad.

02:24:01.000 I've known it's bad.

02:24:03.000 Gluten, processed breads, all this stuff.

02:24:05.000 I don't want to just have any more.

02:24:07.000 And so I've been trying to eat more meat, more fats, and more vegetables.

02:24:12.000 And so for the most part, I say keto colloquially.

02:24:15.000 My carb count is near zero.

02:24:17.000 Like it's very, very, very low.

02:24:19.000 I try to do just like a very little bit because I'm not trying to do zero carb or anything like that.

02:24:23.000 I'll just say...

02:24:25.000 Since cutting out the grains and the sugars, I've felt infinitely better.

02:24:30.000 Yeah, it's terrible for you.

02:24:32.000 Grains and sugars, particularly gluten.

02:24:35.000 Gluten, pastas, bread, stuff like that.

02:24:37.000 It's just terrible for inflammation.

02:24:39.000 Sugar's terrible for you. 0.99

02:24:41.000 All that stuff is just...

02:24:42.000 It's just not good.

02:24:44.000 It's a staple of the American diet.

02:24:46.000 And it's remarkable when you start trying to avoid it, when you realize...

02:24:50.000 Everything.

02:24:51.000 Yeah.

02:24:51.000 But I started eating a lot more beef, too, which is something I've never really done.

02:24:55.000 I used to eat a lot of chicken and fish.

02:24:56.000 You're doing the lion diet?

02:24:58.000 Not really.

02:24:59.000 I mean, I just felt like...

02:25:00.000 Jordan Peterson diet?

02:25:01.000 No, no, none of that.

02:25:02.000 The carnivore, the only beef or whatever.

02:25:04.000 Yeah, I did that for a month.

02:25:05.000 And you liked it, right?

02:25:06.000 Yeah.

02:25:06.000 It was interesting.

02:25:08.000 Gave me ferocious diarrhea for the first two weeks. 0.99

02:25:12.000 Like, ferocious, do not trust your butthole diarrhea. 0.99

02:25:15.000 Whoa! 0.99

02:25:15.000 Yeah, like, yikes. 0.99

02:25:17.000 But that went away.

02:25:19.000 And when that went away, I lost a lot of weight.

02:25:21.000 I lost a lot of body fat.

02:25:24.000 But it definitely affected my workouts.

02:25:26.000 I didn't have the same pep.

02:25:28.000 But I did have a lot of mental clarity throughout the day.

02:25:31.000 So for normal tasks, my energy levels are very consistent.

02:25:34.000 But in terms of workout stuff, like if I was going to do rounds in the bag or heavy lifting or running, anything that requires a lot of explosive activity, man, I just got tired quicker, for sure.

02:25:48.000 I was doing, accidentally, intermittent fasting.

02:25:52.000 Not something I intended to do, I just, I wasn't eating breakfast.

02:25:54.000 So I'd wake up, I would work, and then once I finish with my morning show, I'm like, oh, it's, you know, three o'clock, I'll eat.

02:26:01.000 Yeah.

02:26:01.000 The one time for the day.

02:26:02.000 But I would get, like, we love getting hibachi. 0.65

02:26:05.000 Big ol' rice and chicken.

02:26:07.000 And I'd pass out right afterwards.

02:26:09.000 I would just be groggy and fall asleep and then wake up like, I gotta get ready for the show because we do the nightly show and I'm like chugging water trying to get back and then I would do the show and then when I started cutting that stuff out, I'm just energized all the time.

02:26:20.000 Yeah, it's the sugar crash.

02:26:24.000 It's the carbohydrate crash, the insulin crash.

02:26:27.000 And that's just a thing that happens when you eat a lot of carbs.

02:26:30.000 But if I eat a lot of carbs now, and I essentially eat the same way, I mostly eat just vegetables and meat.

02:26:36.000 That's most of my diet.

02:26:38.000 I mean, occasionally I'll have sushi or I'll have something that has rice in it.

02:26:42.000 And occasionally I'll have pasta.

02:26:44.000 If, like, we get together, like, a bunch of comics get together and we have, like, a comedian's meal, we go to Red Ash, this fantastic restaurant in town, and we'll all just pig out and, you know, bring plates of pasta and meatballs and lots of stuff with bread and gluten and garlic bread with bone marrow.

02:27:02.000 It's fantastic.

02:27:02.000 Oh, bone marrow.

02:27:03.000 Oh my god, this red ash place is so good.

02:27:06.000 And their bone marrow is off the charts. 0.99

02:27:09.000 But anyway, I feel like dog shit afterwards. 0.99

02:27:12.000 But while I'm doing it, I know what I'm doing. 0.99

02:27:14.000 I'm doing it for fun.

02:27:16.000 And we're all just having a bunch of laughs and getting a bunch of people together.

02:27:20.000 We're driving home.

02:27:21.000 I'm with my buddy Luke Rakowski, and he's like, let's stop at Krispy Kreme.

02:27:25.000 And I said, I will not touch a single Krispy Kreme, but boy, do I want to.

02:27:30.000 And so we pull up, and Luke's like, I'm gonna get a donut.

02:27:33.000 And I was like, five dozen.

02:27:34.000 No, for real.

02:27:35.000 So Luke's like, okay, we'll get a dozen assorted.

02:27:39.000 And then I'm like, two full glaze, two more full random.

02:27:42.000 And he's like, okay, five dozen.

02:27:44.000 And I bring him back to the house, and I look at him.

02:27:47.000 It's incredible.

02:27:48.000 I was like, I will not fall to temptation.

02:27:51.000 The birthday cake, Krispy Kreme, I was staring at it like I wanted to eat it.

02:27:55.000 I didn't do it.

02:27:56.000 That's so good.

02:27:56.000 Good for you.

02:27:57.000 I didn't do it.

02:27:57.000 I passed the test.

02:27:59.000 I don't eat them very often, but I will eat them.

02:28:02.000 You know what my favorite one is?

02:28:03.000 The one that's got chocolate on the outside and cream on the inside.

02:28:06.000 You know what that one?

02:28:07.000 I mean, that's a lot of them.

02:28:08.000 Chocolate glazed, cream filled, I think it's called.

02:28:10.000 Oh my goodness, that's a good donut.

02:28:13.000 But I said, I won't eat this, but all of the staff and all of our crew, they thoroughly enjoyed eating those donuts.

02:28:20.000 When I work out afterwards, though, my God, I feel so weak.

02:28:23.000 Like, when I have a donut like that, or a couple donuts like that, and then I go, okay, I've got to burn this off, and then I'll go work out. 0.88

02:28:30.000 Like, everything is just, like, groggy and shitty.

02:28:34.000 It's like I poured sand into the gears of my machine. 0.95

02:28:38.000 It's like, groggy.

02:28:39.000 That's it, man.

02:28:42.000 Avocados, heavy cream, and I have this MCT powder, and my mind is blown by, I should have done this sooner.

02:28:51.000 Higher fat, and then when I'm exercising, it's just like I feel 10 years younger.

02:28:55.000 I'm only 35, but it's like, man.

02:28:58.000 The coordination, the energy, the clarity, I feel great.

02:29:01.000 Yeah, most of what people are eating, especially in terms of bread and pasta and eating so much of it, it's just not good for you.

02:29:07.000 And it's not bad for you all the time.

02:29:10.000 See, the thing about bread and pasta and even some simple sugars, it's actually not bad to have them right after exercise because it restores the glucose in the muscles and it's not the worst thing right afterwards.

02:29:23.000 But you just got to be cognizant of the impact That the food has on your body.

02:29:29.000 And I think as you get older, you start thinking about that stuff more and more.

02:29:32.000 You want to talk a little bit about NAD? Sure.

02:29:34.000 So I take this NAD, right?

02:29:36.000 And I told you just a moment ago how I'm like looking at my floor and I can see all the fibers of the carpet.

02:29:40.000 It was like HD vision.

02:29:42.000 That morning when I woke up, when I was like no longer sick, my eyes weren't like cured of being nearsightedness.

02:29:50.000 But I put in my contacts and then I walk into my kitchen and I could look out the window, instantly just see outside.

02:29:56.000 And I felt like I could see every leaf.

02:29:59.000 I could see every shade, every detail.

02:30:00.000 I could see more colors.

02:30:02.000 It was the craziest experience.

02:30:04.000 So my girlfriend also got the NAD stuff.

02:30:07.000 And she's like, I don't notice anything.

02:30:09.000 I think it's not true.

02:30:11.000 Tim's exaggerating.

02:30:12.000 And then when we come in and we were talking, someone here said, people often say it's like HD vision right after you get it.

02:30:18.000 And I was like, aha!

02:30:19.000 Like that proves I'm right.

02:30:21.000 That's the control.

02:30:22.000 It was incredible.

02:30:23.000 I think it has a different effect on different people because it doesn't do that to me either.

02:30:28.000 The other people who got it didn't say they felt exactly what I felt, but here's what I think.

02:30:33.000 Everybody feels better.

02:30:34.000 Everybody feels better to varying degrees.

02:30:37.000 My girlfriend was saying, she's like, I don't really notice much.

02:30:42.000 I've been staring at a computer screen for five years.

02:30:45.000 Morning through night.

02:30:47.000 I do the morning show, the night show.

02:30:48.000 And I think what happened is my eyes are strained really bad.

02:30:51.000 Yeah.

02:30:51.000 And they weren't recovering.

02:30:53.000 Because if every night I do X damage and it can only recover Y, it's slowly degrading.

02:31:00.000 So tell me what your schedule is.

02:31:01.000 You do a morning show and then you do a night show?

02:31:04.000 Yeah, so I wake up at around 7.20.

02:31:07.000 I set my alarm for 7.20, but I always wake up at 7.19 and then turn it off.

02:31:11.000 It's a weird habit, I guess.

02:31:12.000 And then at 8 o'clock, Well, I already have a bunch of stories from the previous night that I have in my phone or in my Slack group.

02:31:21.000 So when I wake up in the morning, I immediately get on my phone and go through my newsfeed.

02:31:24.000 I look at messages and notifications from people.

02:31:26.000 I'm just asking about your show schedule.

02:31:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:31:29.000 I record a segment at 9...

02:31:31.000 I publish at 10 a.m., 1 p.m., 4 p.m., and then we do a two-and-a-half-hour recording.

02:31:37.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute.

02:31:38.000 You publish three times a day?

02:31:40.000 You do three podcasts a day?

02:31:42.000 So, yes.

02:31:45.000 Let me break it down.

02:31:47.000 Last year, I was doing six.

02:31:49.000 A day?

02:31:50.000 Six segments, uploaded independently, followed by a two and a half hour show.

02:31:56.000 So I do 22 minutes to publish at 10, 22 minutes to publish at 1pm, 32 minutes to publish at 4pm, and then we're live for two hours, and then we do a half an hour private members only segment for the website.

02:32:09.000 So when you're doing these different segments, is it essentially just you going over the news?

02:32:16.000 Yeah, the first two are more like a couple stories and then I just monologue.

02:32:22.000 The third is more like a bunch of stories that I break down and analyze.

02:32:27.000 And then the IRL show from 8 to 10 p.m.

02:32:30.000 is a live conversation. 0.99

02:32:31.000 Do you get overwhelmed by all that fucking information? 1.00

02:32:34.000 Do you get overwhelmed by all those conversations? 1.00

02:32:36.000 No. 1.00

02:32:36.000 Like all that fucking news and... 1.00

02:32:38.000 I recorded my morning show before coming here. 0.99

02:32:42.000 Now we're talking for X amount of hours, and I've got to do my two and a half hours tonight as well.

02:32:47.000 I've got a mental issue, defect, where I talk too much.

02:32:50.000 Whatever.

02:32:52.000 Last year, though, I was doing six segments and the live show.

02:32:57.000 Six a day.

02:32:58.000 Six individual segments, followed by...

02:33:02.000 That are how long?

02:33:02.000 So there's 22, 22, 32, and then about 13, 13, 13. And then your live show.

02:33:10.000 And then my live show.

02:33:11.000 And the live show, is it a recap of all these things, with conversations?

02:33:15.000 Somewhat.

02:33:17.000 There are a lot of, so if I'm doing six segments, I have six base stories to go through, but there's like 50 stories a day.

02:33:24.000 Right.

02:33:25.000 And so with Timcast IRL, which is our live show, we kind of just, we flow.

02:33:30.000 Not too dissimilar to this, but more regimented where we know what the big story of the days we want to lead with.

02:33:35.000 So tonight it'll be, you know, we've written out stuff obviously, but then depending on who our guest is.

02:33:40.000 What do you think is going to happen if Rittenhouse gets acquitted?

02:33:42.000 You think they're going to riot?

02:33:43.000 Yes.

02:33:44.000 But why?

02:33:45.000 Who's going to riot?

02:33:46.000 This is the question.

02:33:47.000 Are they rioting because they have a nice excuse to riot?

02:33:50.000 Is that what it is?

02:33:52.000 Are they rioting?

02:33:53.000 They're angry.

02:33:54.000 But what?

02:33:57.000 Is it a refusal to admit the facts of the case?

02:34:00.000 Is it a narrative that's already been projected then by the mainstream news?

02:34:05.000 And here's a question.

02:34:06.000 If the mainstream news has been painting this very distorted perception of this case, and this is what has affected and influences these people to riot, how much responsibility do they have?

02:34:20.000 A lot.

02:34:22.000 I think there will be a riot, but I don't think it'll be comparable to the George Floyd riots.

02:34:26.000 It's cold out.

02:34:28.000 It's November.

02:34:29.000 It's not that cold.

02:34:30.000 But if it rains, people don't come out.

02:34:35.000 I used to go on the ground all the time for this stuff, and we knew if there's rain, drop your expectation by 80% about who will be there.

02:34:41.000 If there's cold, the summers are when everyone's like...

02:34:44.000 Isn't that funny?

02:34:46.000 It's convenient...

02:34:47.000 Fair-weather ideology.

02:34:49.000 But I'll tell you in my experience, what I would see for the most part with the riots are people who are angry at life.

02:34:55.000 And they found a symbol to represent injustice.

02:34:59.000 Right.

02:35:00.000 And that's, I think, that guy who is suicidal and those other guys, these Antifa guys, you're seeing it in a lot of those folks. 1.00

02:35:07.000 They're very, they're without, for lack of a better term, they're fucking losers. 1.00

02:35:13.000 They're losers at life, and then they pile on to these causes, and they jump in, and they dye their hair pink, and they light schoolhouses on fire, whatever the fuck they do. 1.00

02:35:23.000 They're doing this impartial because it gives them an opportunity to rage, to rage against the machine, to rage against the system, to rage against what they feel like they could... 0.99

02:35:35.000 They could describe as injustices, whether or not it's actually an injustice or not.

02:35:40.000 But much like the band, they've now begun to rage on behalf of the machine. 1.00

02:35:44.000 Yeah, fuck you, do what I tell you. 1.00

02:35:45.000 That's right. 1.00

02:35:46.000 I think...

02:35:48.000 Yeah, the band, it's crazy, right?

02:35:49.000 Like...

02:35:51.000 Right, yeah.

02:35:51.000 I went to a skate park.

02:35:53.000 When I was a kid, I go to the skate park and people are spray painting, like, the system, anarchy, whatever.

02:35:57.000 I go to the skate park and what I see, Black Lives Matter.

02:36:00.000 And, you know, I was looking at some kids and then I was like, isn't it weird that you've got basically like a pro-corporate, friendly, family-friendly, corporate slogan?

02:36:10.000 Not really.

02:36:11.000 It didn't originate as that.

02:36:13.000 Corporations adopted it because it's profitable for them.

02:36:17.000 It's woke capitalism, right?

02:36:19.000 And they do woke capitalism just to signal to the people that are buying their stuff.

02:36:23.000 Look, we added a rainbow to our poison.

02:36:25.000 You know, that's all it is.

02:36:27.000 But back in the day, I wouldn't... 1.00

02:36:28.000 When they say, fuck the police, spray-painted in a skate park, Walmart's not selling fuck the police stuff. 0.99

02:36:34.000 I mean, they might now... 1.00

02:36:35.000 I mean, maybe they had music and stuff that said that, I guess.

02:36:38.000 What is Rage Against the Machine doing now?

02:36:42.000 I don't even think they're still...

02:36:43.000 Are they still together?

02:36:44.000 I don't know.

02:36:44.000 They're performance shows.

02:36:45.000 Or they will be soon.

02:36:46.000 Does everybody have to be vaccinated at their shows?

02:36:48.000 I was actually trying to find that.

02:36:50.000 I thought I had read that you do, but they haven't performed yet, so I don't know if that's true.

02:36:54.000 To be fair, though, it's the mandates, it's the law, it's the venues.

02:36:57.000 They're also older.

02:36:58.000 You get older, you get scared.

02:37:00.000 You want everybody to be vaccinated.

02:37:03.000 The Offspring really surprised me.

02:37:04.000 I tell you, I guarantee you that that has something to do with the venues.

02:37:08.000 Because I have friends that are musicians.

02:37:11.000 I'm not talking about the parada stuff, sorry.

02:37:13.000 That are not vaccinated and they can't perform.

02:37:16.000 They're getting kicked off tours.

02:37:17.000 They can't go to places.

02:37:19.000 I just mean the guitarists, like the singer and the guitarist, how they tweet and their behavior and their pro-establishment, their pro-democrat.

02:37:26.000 Really?

02:37:27.000 Maybe it's unfair to say that way, but they're very anti-Trump in the same vein. 0.98

02:37:32.000 Damn, most people in show business are anti-Trump. 0.98

02:37:37.000 For sure, for sure. 0.99

02:37:37.000 Other than, like, what's that guy's name from Stained? 0.99

02:37:42.000 Oh, Aaron Lewis.

02:37:43.000 Aaron Lewis, yeah, yeah.

02:37:44.000 Johnny Rotten?

02:37:47.000 Yeah, Johnny Rotten was pro-Trump.

02:37:49.000 That's hilarious.

02:37:50.000 Well, he recently said it's surprising to see that the uptight moral twats were the left or something like that. 1.00

02:37:56.000 Yeah.

02:37:57.000 Well, I mean, that just shows you that really what you're dealing with is ideologies more than you're dealing with like a real firm commitment to morals and ethics and an established sort of framework of behavior.

02:38:11.000 Instead of that, it's like these ideologies come along and they're basically like cults.

02:38:15.000 And like if you're on the left, you support this.

02:38:18.000 And then when someone comes into power that you decide the fascist, then they can justify all sorts of really Nasty ways of communicating about that person, body shaming that person, attacking that person physically if you find them.

02:38:31.000 They support violence if it suits their needs.

02:38:34.000 And it just shows you what's really going on more than it being their thing.

02:38:41.000 You alright?

02:38:42.000 I got a meme.

02:38:43.000 I got a meme.

02:38:44.000 I'm just getting a meme.

02:38:45.000 Okay.

02:38:45.000 I wanted to read you a meme.

02:38:47.000 Okay, go ahead.

02:38:50.000 There's a guy.

02:38:50.000 You know the meme where the guy's slowly putting on clown makeup?

02:38:52.000 Yes.

02:38:53.000 It says, I am an anti-fascist that supports big pharma corporations teaming up with the federal government to finance and distribute a product that is made mandatory by law.

02:39:02.000 Yeah.

02:39:02.000 Is that one of them double fold phones?

02:39:04.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:39:05.000 I love it.

02:39:05.000 You see that?

02:39:05.000 Open it up.

02:39:06.000 Boom.

02:39:06.000 Look at that.

02:39:07.000 You got a little tablet now.

02:39:08.000 Yeah, no.

02:39:09.000 Like it?

02:39:10.000 When I first heard of it.

02:39:11.000 You're one of those anti-Apple people, huh?

02:39:13.000 Yeah.

02:39:13.000 No.

02:39:14.000 I'm not a big fan of Apple, but I prefer Android for its customization and flexibility.

02:39:19.000 Literally flexibility, haha. 0.99

02:39:21.000 When that phone first came out, the Z Fold, I thought it was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen. 0.53

02:39:25.000 However, I'm a tech guy and I usually try out new tech to see what's up. 0.69

02:39:28.000 And for somebody who does a lot of business and constantly has to deal with work issues, amazing.

02:39:34.000 Because you can kind of use it as a tablet.

02:39:37.000 Answering texts, phones, making phone calls when it's folded.

02:39:40.000 Can I see it like that?

02:39:41.000 Very easy.

02:39:42.000 And then the text is easy on the phone with it folded because your hand can hold it in one hand and easily text.

02:39:49.000 Like a normal phone.

02:39:50.000 Yeah.

02:39:50.000 But then what if someone says, hey, you forgot to order the thing for the show and then I... I don't want to be dealing with typing and stuff.

02:39:57.000 So I open it up, I go to the site, and I got desktop.

02:40:00.000 It's great.

02:40:01.000 Watching movies.

02:40:02.000 The size of it is amazing.

02:40:04.000 It's cool.

02:40:05.000 And you don't have a case because you're a rebel.

02:40:07.000 And then I was swatting a bug and I fell in my pocket and then it dropped.

02:40:11.000 Did you crack it?

02:40:12.000 You can feel on the bottom edge the aluminum's all screwed up.

02:40:15.000 Oh.

02:40:15.000 Hey, it's aluminum though, so it's fine.

02:40:17.000 Yeah.

02:40:17.000 It's great.

02:40:17.000 I'm a fan.

02:40:18.000 I'm a fan.

02:40:18.000 I thought it was fantastic.

02:40:19.000 It's a great phone.

02:40:20.000 It's expensive though.

02:40:20.000 It's too grand.

02:40:21.000 I wonder what the fuck's going to happen with phones in the future where they're going to be like these scrollable things where like, you know, you have like a tube and you just pull it apart and it makes it larger or smaller depending upon what your needs are. 0.81

02:40:33.000 There's a... 0.85

02:40:33.000 It seems like this fold thing, the problem is that middle crease. 0.85

02:40:37.000 You don't...

02:40:37.000 Having that weird bump in the middle.

02:40:39.000 I think?

02:40:59.000 The interesting thing about how we perceive the future is that we can only perceive it based on what we already know.

02:41:04.000 Right.

02:41:04.000 So no one – actually, some people did predict cell phones.

02:41:07.000 But for the most part, people – if you look at like Demolition Man, the movie, in the future, pay phones had video screens.

02:41:13.000 Whereas in reality in the future, we just have the summation of human knowledge in a camera in our pocket.

02:41:18.000 Yeah.

02:41:18.000 We can't really predict the breakthroughs that'll happen and how we develop.

02:41:22.000 No.

02:41:23.000 I mean, even Star Trek didn't predict the internet.

02:41:24.000 They did predict tablets, though.

02:41:26.000 Yeah, they did.

02:41:27.000 That was amazing.

02:41:27.000 That was the second version of Star Trek, though, right?

02:41:29.000 Yeah, the next generation.

02:41:30.000 They were walking around with tablets.

02:41:32.000 Yeah, but that kind of makes sense, like a digital clipboard.

02:41:35.000 Tablets kind of make sense.

02:41:37.000 And the voice activation?

02:41:38.000 Computer.

02:41:38.000 Yeah.

02:41:39.000 Computer.

02:41:40.000 Yeah.

02:41:40.000 You know, when I had my Alexa, I thought it would be funny because you can set it to activate when you say computer.

02:41:45.000 They allow you to do that.

02:41:46.000 And it was the biggest mistake I ever made.

02:41:47.000 Why? 0.99

02:41:48.000 Because people sometimes say the word computer and then the thing went, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:41:51.000 Oh, no. 0.98

02:41:51.000 I'm like, I'm watching a movie and then someone's like, computer, and then it's like, boom. 0.98

02:41:55.000 So it doesn't just have to say Alexa.

02:41:57.000 You can say anything you want it to.

02:41:59.000 I think there's a few key phrases you can program. 0.98

02:42:01.000 Can you just call it fuckface? 1.00

02:42:02.000 Hey, fuckface. 1.00

02:42:03.000 I don't know about that. 0.99

02:42:04.000 And then just ask it, what's the weather?

02:42:06.000 What's the weather?

02:42:07.000 You know what my problem with it is?

02:42:08.000 It talks to me too much.

02:42:10.000 Oh.

02:42:10.000 I'll say, you know, Alexa, what time, you know, what's the weather?

02:42:13.000 And it'll go, it is 67 degrees and sunny.

02:42:16.000 By the way, did you know? 1.00

02:42:17.000 And then I start yelling, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:42:19.000 Shut the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

02:42:20.000 Yeah, like, I ask you a question and you speak what's spoken to. 1.00

02:42:22.000 Do you feel that this intrusion that technology has in your life, do you feel like there's obviously a great benefit that we all enjoy from the technological innovations, but do you feel like it intrudes in your life?

02:42:36.000 Do you feel like it's gotten to the point where you want to take active measures to try to disconnect yourself in some way?

02:42:43.000 No, no.

02:42:45.000 But I did just watch Almost Famous.

02:42:47.000 Have you seen that movie?

02:42:48.000 Yeah.

02:42:49.000 1973. I never wanted to live in 1973 more.

02:42:52.000 Oh, it was about 1973. Yeah.

02:42:55.000 No phones.

02:42:56.000 No social media.

02:42:56.000 Well, that was an interesting movie, right?

02:42:59.000 Because it was about a journalist that was following a guy who was on a rock band.

02:43:04.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 And he's 15. Yeah.

02:43:05.000 The journalist is 15?

02:43:06.000 Yeah, I guess it's basically about Cameron Crowe writing for Rolling Stone.

02:43:10.000 He's 15, he stumbles into this tour with this band.

02:43:13.000 What was the band supposed to be based on?

02:43:15.000 I don't think any real band.

02:43:17.000 It was an amalgam of Led Zeppelin and stuff like that.

02:43:21.000 It was called Still Water.

02:43:22.000 I just watched it on the plane flying out here.

02:43:25.000 And I see this kid who's a journalist who's writing, taking notes down.

02:43:30.000 And I was like, that world is gone.

02:43:32.000 The mystery is gone.

02:43:34.000 I remember when I was a kid, I'd call my friend's house.

02:43:37.000 He wouldn't answer.

02:43:38.000 So I'd cross the alley down the street, go to his house, knock on the door, no answer.

02:43:42.000 And I'd be like...

02:43:44.000 He's gone!

02:43:44.000 Right.

02:43:45.000 And I'd not see him.

02:43:45.000 Yeah.

02:43:46.000 Now we just know everything all the time and it sucks. 0.90

02:43:48.000 Well, it's different. 0.94

02:43:50.000 Right.

02:43:50.000 That's a better way to put it.

02:43:51.000 It's definitely different because there was a lot of limitations to living that way too.

02:43:56.000 You know, like you have more information, you understand how the world works more.

02:44:00.000 And I think back then propaganda was so easy to pull off.

02:44:05.000 It's so much more difficult to pull off now.

02:44:07.000 It's so much more difficult to trick cynical people that have been burned before.

02:44:12.000 And we just know too much about how the world works now.

02:44:16.000 It's true, but you know what I miss?

02:44:17.000 I was thinking back to the 1200s, and there's some dude leaving his wood log cabin in the winter with a sword and a satchel, and he comes across a small but angry bear, and he scares it off, and the whole thing takes place in 20 seconds.

02:44:31.000 He goes back to the local eatery with the other people, and he goes...

02:44:34.000 A great beast attacked me, and he describes this giant monster, and they draw a picture of a dragon, and there's intrigue, and there's mystery, and there's fear, but like, you know, reading these stories about the unknown Mothman and Bigfoot, I want the mystery, I want the experience. 0.99

02:44:49.000 Oh, you like bullshit. 0.99

02:44:51.000 Absolutely, dude! 0.99

02:44:53.000 I live in a world of facts and news stories and verifying, but I love the UFOs, I love the unknown, I want to discover, but it feels like, and this is partially a misplaced feeling, It feels like we live in a world where discovery is so much harder because information is so rapid through social media.

02:45:10.000 We learn it instantly.

02:45:12.000 The truth is there's still a lot of things that are secret.

02:45:14.000 There's still a lot of mystery that goes on and a lot to discover.

02:45:17.000 But it's not the same as when I'm watching this movie in 1973. And you get this guy in the band, he stands on a garage, tripping on acid, and he goes, I am a golden god!

02:45:26.000 And they all scream, and then he jumps in the pool.

02:45:29.000 Those things would just be on TikTok. 1.00

02:45:30.000 It's just, we know it happens, and the worst part is it encourages kids to do stupider and crazier shit. 1.00

02:45:35.000 Right. 1.00

02:45:36.000 Instead of being this one magical moment that people have seen, but you can then write down, and then you can show people and say, here's the story.

02:45:44.000 That seems so cool to me.

02:45:46.000 Well, there's something cool about mystery.

02:45:48.000 There's something cool about the idea of this nostalgic time of living in a time where there was no cell phones and you could barely fax things.

02:45:58.000 I lived it.

02:46:01.000 You're older than I am, but I remember being a teenager and getting my first cell phone, Candy Bar Nokia, and being able to text people changed everything.

02:46:09.000 Yeah. 0.90

02:46:09.000 But if you were back in that time in 1973 and someone showed you what it's like to live in 2021, you'd be like, fuck yeah, sign me up. 0.90

02:46:17.000 Because this way is bullshit. 0.98

02:46:19.000 This way with no internet and no HD video and no video on demand and no ability to talk to your car and say, navigate to Terry Black's barbecue. 1.00

02:46:30.000 All that shit is amazing. 0.99

02:46:32.000 I just had some of that. 1.00

02:46:33.000 It's pretty good.

02:46:33.000 It's amazing.

02:46:34.000 Or being able to summon your car.

02:46:36.000 Yeah, all those things are incredible.

02:46:37.000 Come to me.

02:46:38.000 Well, just a Tesla itself.

02:46:39.000 I mean, I have the new one.

02:46:40.000 I have the Plaid.

02:46:41.000 You got the Plaid?

02:46:42.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:46:43.000 It's a fucking spaceship. 1.00

02:46:45.000 Isn't it like... 1.00

02:46:46.000 The other one was a spaceship.

02:46:47.000 I had the Model S before that, which was an amazing car.

02:46:51.000 And this is the Model S Plaid.

02:46:53.000 My lease is up, and so I got another one.

02:46:55.000 You leased it?

02:46:55.000 Yeah.

02:46:56.000 That's probably a better idea, I guess.

02:46:57.000 I bought...

02:46:58.000 I think I have a Model 3. I'm not sure.

02:47:00.000 I don't even know if I leased it.

02:47:01.000 I'm being honest with you.

02:47:02.000 I think I did. 0.99

02:47:03.000 But my point is that this new car is fucking insane. 0.99

02:47:07.000 It's fucking insane. 0.99

02:47:08.000 It goes zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds. 1.00

02:47:11.000 It's so fast.

02:47:12.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:47:15.000 The other one didn't make sense.

02:47:16.000 The last one was 2.5 seconds.

02:47:18.000 This is a full six, like almost...

02:47:22.000 Yeah, 6 tenths of a second.

02:47:24.000 Somewhere in that range.

02:47:26.000 Faster.

02:47:26.000 Zero to 60. Which is so fast.

02:47:29.000 And when I merge into traffic, it's like it's effortless.

02:47:32.000 It's like it time travels.

02:47:33.000 And it does it so silently.

02:47:35.000 That's what's so crazy. 1.00

02:47:37.000 I got the stupidest motorcycle you could get. 1.00

02:47:39.000 Have you heard of the Zero? 1.00

02:47:40.000 No.

02:47:42.000 I think it's a wonderful, wonderful, amazing thing. 1.00

02:47:45.000 I'm saying it's stupid. 1.00

02:47:46.000 It's the Zero SRS. It goes like zero to 60 in a couple seconds, but it is quiet, as quiet can be. 1.00

02:47:53.000 So it's electric?

02:47:54.000 It's an electric motorcycle.

02:47:55.000 They call it the Tesla of motorcycles.

02:47:58.000 But it's slower than my car.

02:47:59.000 Probably.

02:48:00.000 I mean, it might be faster, I'm not sure.

02:48:01.000 But the Plaid is like the cream of the crop, the top of the top.

02:48:04.000 We're talking about 130k for that vehicle.

02:48:06.000 This thing costs 20k.

02:48:08.000 Now here's the problem.

02:48:09.000 It's so quiet.

02:48:09.000 It goes about 30 miles?

02:48:11.000 Oh, no, no, no.

02:48:11.000 It goes 100 and something.

02:48:13.000 Really?

02:48:14.000 And for a motorcycle, that's pretty good.

02:48:16.000 And then you can hook it up to a supercharger.

02:48:18.000 I think it's like a Type 2 charger or something like that.

02:48:20.000 But it's a commuter vehicle.

02:48:21.000 You're not going to go on road trips like, you know, a chopper or something.

02:48:24.000 But it's quiet.

02:48:25.000 So when I'm driving, no one can hear me or see me.

02:48:28.000 So they don't know you're coming.

02:48:29.000 So they can change lanes and run into you.

02:48:31.000 Exactly.

02:48:32.000 Especially people that are texting.

02:48:33.000 Exactly.

02:48:34.000 And that's the thing they say about motorcycles.

02:48:35.000 Loud pipes save lives, you know?

02:48:37.000 Yes.

02:48:37.000 Harleys and stuff like that are much...

02:48:40.000 People are much more aware.

02:48:42.000 That's right.

02:48:43.000 I talked to a bunch of motorcycle people and they said the reason we do it loud is because people are gonna hit you.

02:48:47.000 And it's like a really high rate of people getting hit. 1.00

02:48:49.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

02:48:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:48:50.000 So when I pull up in front of my house on the Zero and everyone just goes, whoa, I didn't even hear you coming. 0.99

02:48:55.000 Holy shit. 0.98

02:48:56.000 It's like, imagine what the cars are thinking. 1.00

02:48:58.000 You're driving around in West Virginia where everybody's on pills.

02:49:02.000 Yeah, opioids, man.

02:49:04.000 Do you ever see The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia?

02:49:06.000 No.

02:49:07.000 No?

02:49:07.000 Uh-uh.

02:49:08.000 Oh, my God.

02:49:09.000 You are in for a treat.

02:49:10.000 It's one of the great documentaries of all time.

02:49:13.000 Oh, all right.

02:49:13.000 I think it was...

02:49:14.000 What's his face?

02:49:17.000 Johnny...

02:49:17.000 Yeah, Dickhouse Productions.

02:49:19.000 What's his name?

02:49:19.000 Johnny Knoxville.

02:49:20.000 Johnny Knoxville.

02:49:20.000 Johnny Knoxville from Jackass.

02:49:22.000 He produced it.

02:49:36.000 I love West Virginia, man.

02:49:38.000 Do you?

02:49:39.000 It's beautiful.

02:49:40.000 You got constitutional carry.

02:49:42.000 I mean, they say there's a lot of drugs, but I've seen none of it.

02:49:45.000 Why do you got to go to the trailers?

02:49:47.000 Go ask around.

02:49:49.000 I suppose, yeah, yeah.

02:49:50.000 I mean, I've driven around and been deep into West Virginia.

02:49:55.000 I've seen recreation.

02:49:56.000 I've seen mountain climbing, kayaking, beautiful landscapes, forests, bicycle riding in these...

02:50:01.000 And I just think...

02:50:03.000 It's beautiful.

02:50:05.000 It's inexpensive.

02:50:07.000 Good people.

02:50:08.000 They believe in liberty and personal responsibility.

02:50:11.000 It's a great place.

02:50:12.000 Good restaurants?

02:50:13.000 Let me think, yeah.

02:50:15.000 That's a no.

02:50:17.000 Well, I'm from Chicago, right?

02:50:19.000 And this is the thing for me, I'm spoiled.

02:50:21.000 I lived in New York, I lived in Chicago, and I can tell you about some great restaurants in the big cities.

02:50:26.000 The thing about West Virginia is we've got trailers on the side of the road.

02:50:30.000 And some of the best brisket I've ever had is on the side of the road in Virginia.

02:50:35.000 So I'm in the tri-state, but in Virginia there's this place, it's called Page's Rest Stop or something like that, and it's like a little farm stand.

02:50:44.000 And they have a trailer with barbecue It is massively thick-cut, moist, delicious brisket, some of the best I've ever had.

02:50:51.000 So when we're getting food, you know, there's some local places.

02:50:54.000 I'm not going to pretend it's the best in the world.

02:50:57.000 But it's good enough.

02:50:58.000 That's what you're saying.

02:50:59.000 But it's pretty damn good.

02:51:00.000 But do you like the fact that it's a lower population density, people are nicer...

02:51:04.000 That's one of the things that I really love about Texas, particularly Austin.

02:51:09.000 It's just not that big a city.

02:51:10.000 And I think there's something that happens to people when you have cities that are overflowing with population or people get annoyed at each other.

02:51:17.000 I agree.

02:51:18.000 I would say I live in an area full of right-wing nutjobs. 1.00

02:51:22.000 But you're a far-right podcaster, I heard.

02:51:25.000 So they say...

02:51:27.000 I read that online.

02:51:29.000 I think the definition of far right and far left has obviously changed to mean something.

02:51:34.000 It doesn't mean anything anymore.

02:51:35.000 They just say that if they want to discredit you.

02:51:37.000 They don't say it because it means something.

02:51:39.000 I say right wing nutjob more as a joke because they're all Trump supporters.

02:51:42.000 This one guy's got a big banner and it says drain the swamp.

02:51:47.000 Bring your boots and it points to DC. Yeah.

02:51:49.000 There's a guy near my house that had a honk if you love Trump.

02:51:53.000 And I would honk when I drove by just to make my kids angry.

02:51:56.000 My daughter gets so mad. 1.00

02:51:58.000 Stop doing it.

02:51:59.000 Don't.

02:51:59.000 I go, come on.

02:52:00.000 It's the country.

02:52:01.000 We're just supporting the country.

02:52:02.000 Does she think someone's going to see that you support Trump?

02:52:05.000 No, she doesn't think I support Trump.

02:52:06.000 It's a joke.

02:52:07.000 She thinks it's funny.

02:52:08.000 She just thinks it's funny that I am honking while I'm passing by this car like he thinks, yeah, someone supports Trump. 0.98

02:52:14.000 But she fucking, you know, look, when she first came here and she went to school, the school's a very left-wing leading school. 0.99

02:52:22.000 We hate Trump. 1.00

02:52:23.000 But it was interesting to me because I go, what do you hate about him? 1.00

02:52:26.000 She goes, I think he's ugly and stupid. 1.00

02:52:27.000 I go, okay. 1.00

02:52:28.000 This is all a 12-year-old thinks, you know?

02:52:30.000 Yeah.

02:52:31.000 It's the kind of conversation I have with her.

02:52:32.000 It's not like she understands its policies are detrimental to the country. 1.00

02:52:36.000 Well, what you should respond with to really help your daughter out is, yeah, well, I think Biden is ugly and stupid. 1.00

02:52:42.000 I'm kidding. 1.00

02:52:43.000 He's old and fucked up. 1.00

02:52:46.000 What's your take on all that Hunter Biden stuff, man? 1.00

02:52:48.000 That was one of the weirder things about censorship during the election, is the laptop thing.

02:52:54.000 That laptop thing, that is an egregious example of censorship by the tech companies.

02:53:02.000 This is why they'll call me far right, because I've said if the Republicans win in 2022, they should immediately impeach Joe Biden.

02:53:08.000 He should be impeached, convicted, removed, and I can tell you exactly why.

02:53:11.000 What crimes?

02:53:12.000 Well, abuse of power, violating the Constitution as it pertains to the eviction moratorium and the vaccine mandates.

02:53:16.000 But we'll put that aside because it's very, very charged.

02:53:18.000 How about we talk about the Burisma scandal, where there are a dozen active investigations by Viktor Shokin.

02:53:24.000 I'm maybe a little bit too in the weeds on this one.

02:53:26.000 The Ukrainian prosecutor is investigating an energy company in Ukraine called Burisma.

02:53:32.000 Joe Biden's son is placed on the board questionably.

02:53:35.000 Like, what does he have to do with energy companies?

02:53:37.000 There's also a former CIA guy who's on the board, by the way.

02:53:40.000 Joe Biden goes to Ukraine and personally meets with the president and says, if you want a billion dollars in aid, fire the prosecutor.

02:53:48.000 Now, he claims, and the mainstream story is that it's because the prosecutor wasn't investigating the corruption of a man named Mykola Zlachevsky, who founded Burisma.

02:53:58.000 However, Zolachevsky, when Trump gets into power, flees.

02:54:04.000 And when Biden comes back in, returns.

02:54:06.000 Or it was something to that effect.

02:54:08.000 It's been a long time since I've gone through the story.

02:54:10.000 We have a quid pro quo definitively, as they stated it.

02:54:13.000 So on that alone, I'd say impeach the guy.

02:54:15.000 But with the Hunter Biden laptop, we're now getting images of Joe Biden meeting with Hunter and his associates.

02:54:20.000 We're now getting direct confirmation, or should at the very least, communications claiming that Hunter and Joe share bank accounts.

02:54:27.000 Yeah, that's weird, man.

02:54:29.000 Imagine sharing a bank account with your dad.

02:54:31.000 And then there's also the transcripts that say that he had to kick up money to the big guy.

02:54:36.000 That's exactly it.

02:54:37.000 I think regular people don't understand high-level finance like this.

02:54:41.000 And I mean this all due respect.

02:54:41.000 I'm not trying to disparage working-class people.

02:54:44.000 But there's one reason why a politician would share a bank out with his son.

02:54:50.000 And that politician, Joe Biden, flew his son to China on Air Force Two for a private equity deal with China.

02:54:55.000 And upon arriving and having this meeting, they received a $5 million forgivable loan.

02:55:01.000 Fact check me on all this stuff, guys.

02:55:02.000 It's been a long time since I don't.

02:55:03.000 Forgivable loan, meaning you just default on it?

02:55:05.000 Yeah.

02:55:06.000 If there's a certain criteria met, you don't own the money anymore.

02:55:08.000 Now, if that money goes into Hunter Biden's bank account, but Joe has access to it, you've got a tax problem right there, don't you?

02:55:16.000 Look, I've tried to help out my family, and I've talked to my accountant and said, you know, let me know to what extent I can provide for my family, my brother, sister, family, whatever.

02:55:26.000 And my accountant's like, you gotta pay taxes on all of it.

02:55:28.000 There's no just buying stuff for somebody.

02:55:30.000 I'm like, then how does Hunter Biden share a bank account with his dad, taking millions of dollars, I wonder.

02:55:36.000 Well, when you're that powerful, you don't got to worry about it.

02:55:39.000 The darkness of that is one thing, but the fact that the media covered it because they knew that it would be damaging to Biden's campaign, that's where things get scary.

02:55:47.000 And when I say the media, the media definitely didn't cover it.

02:55:52.000 CNN definitely didn't cover it.

02:55:54.000 But they censored people discussing it.

02:55:58.000 And they censored the New York Post, one of the oldest newspapers in the country.

02:56:03.000 They censored them because they had a legitimate news story from a legitimate newspaper about that laptop.

02:56:10.000 That's right.

02:56:11.000 And Twitter said the reason was we won't allow hacked materials to be distributed.

02:56:16.000 Sorry.

02:56:17.000 But when it comes to James O'Keefe's private legal communications, however the New York Times actually got it, Twitter's fine with that.

02:56:24.000 That's different. 0.98

02:56:25.000 It's a fucking weird time, man. 0.97

02:56:27.000 You know, I think... 0.98

02:56:28.000 It's just these partisan people and these ideologically influenced people.

02:56:35.000 They're just so rigid in their ideologies, left or right.

02:56:39.000 But I don't think it has to do with politics in the true sense.

02:56:44.000 I think it has to do with tribe.

02:56:45.000 Yeah, it's a cult.

02:56:46.000 It's cult-like thinking.

02:56:48.000 That's why they're willing to pretend that Biden is a good president.

02:56:52.000 The fact that he has a 38% approval rate is not shocking to me.

02:56:58.000 The fact that 38% of them think he's doing a great job is terrifying.

02:57:02.000 Let's break that down.

02:57:03.000 Let me start by asking a question.

02:57:05.000 How would you rate the state of the economy?

02:57:08.000 It's not good, but there's a lot of factors.

02:57:11.000 There's certainly the shipping crisis.

02:57:14.000 Certainly there's a shortage on a lot of things, like the manufacturing sector that has been shipped overseas is shown to be a huge problem when it comes to things like chips for cars, and there's a lot of things you can't buy right now that you used to be able to buy very easily and quickly.

02:57:34.000 Would you say fairly bad or very bad?

02:57:37.000 Fairly bad.

02:57:38.000 I would not say it's very bad.

02:57:40.000 Very bad is like a Great Depression.

02:57:42.000 So, Democrats in the majority believe the economy is actually good.

02:57:47.000 Fairly good.

02:57:48.000 Why?

02:57:49.000 I don't know.

02:57:51.000 What's their metric?

02:57:53.000 For what is good?

02:57:54.000 What are they basing it on?

02:57:55.000 So you can actually see, this is interesting, during Trump's presidency, the Democrats believe, Democratic voters are polled, and this is from Civics.

02:58:03.000 They believed that the economy was fairly good.

02:58:06.000 Into the pandemic, as the economy got worse, Democrats started to feel the economy wasn't doing too well.

02:58:10.000 So under Trump, it was, you know, kind of fair.

02:58:13.000 It was like, well, you know, we don't like Trump, but the economy's doing all right.

02:58:15.000 But then it tanks off through the pandemic.

02:58:18.000 But when Biden gets elected, it spikes back up again.

02:58:24.000 Welcome to my show!

02:58:46.000 But Democrats are mirror images of both.

02:58:49.000 I mean an inverted image.

02:58:51.000 It's different.

02:58:51.000 It's the other side.

02:58:53.000 That says to me, you know, you take a look at Virginia, you take the election, the young kid, you take a look at New Jersey.

02:58:58.000 I think independent voters—actually, I'm going to pause real quick.

02:59:02.000 Pew Research put out a political tribes study, and they found that there is the ambivalent right, which where they categorize you or I, then there's like the Democratic— How am I ambivalent right?

02:59:13.000 I'm left-wing on everything except for gun control.

02:59:17.000 So they actually say the ambivalent right are not conservative, or they tend not to be.

02:59:23.000 They're actually fairly progressive on a lot of issues, but critical of Democrats, opposing the establishment left makes you the opposite, I guess.

02:59:31.000 But hold on, there's an important...

02:59:33.000 Centrist.

02:59:34.000 Centrist makes you right now.

02:59:36.000 That's true.

02:59:36.000 That's crazy.

02:59:38.000 But this is the point I wanted to make.

02:59:39.000 They have a group called the stressed sideline, which is considered not left or right.

02:59:45.000 However, the majority of those in what's considered the stressed sideline are center right.

02:59:50.000 So when they plot them on a map from zero, then left and zero and then right, the middle of the road people who are not politically active are center right.

02:59:58.000 What that means is...

03:00:00.000 Moderates, independents, Republicans, liberty-minded individuals are probably leaning towards right-leaning politicians and ideas and away from Democrats.

03:00:10.000 So I think it says a lot for what's to come, but I also think it says that Democrats are tribal in their positions.

03:00:16.000 What I'm hoping is that people realize the pitfall in being tribal, and then more and more people move to more of a kind of a centrist mentality, because that's where I think most people lie.

03:00:27.000 Most people's beliefs are a conglomeration of both sides.

03:00:31.000 Most people are in the center.

03:00:32.000 I agree, I agree.

03:00:33.000 Except you, you're far right.

03:00:35.000 I gotta wrap this up.

03:00:36.000 All right, man. 1.00

03:00:37.000 Tim Pool, you're the fucking man. 1.00

03:00:38.000 Thanks for coming on. 1.00

03:00:39.000 Thanks for having me.

03:00:39.000 Good to see you healthy and fun to be on your podcast yesterday.

03:00:41.000 Thanks for helping my medical issues.

03:00:43.000 Well, I'm a doctor.

03:00:45.000 I don't know.

03:00:46.000 That was trending on Twitter, Dr. Joe Rogan.

03:00:48.000 All right.

03:00:49.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 22, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1737 - Tim Pool

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