The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1741 - Ted Nugent

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00:00:12.000 Somebody gave me this recently.

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00:00:14.000 Real McCoy?

00:00:15.000 That's the Real McCoy.

00:00:16.000 They find these on my property outside of Waco.

00:00:19.000 They're all over the place in Texas.

00:00:20.000 I mean, this land was occupied for a long time by Native Americans.

00:00:24.000 Think it's obsidian?

00:00:26.000 I don't know what it's made out of.

00:00:27.000 I don't know much about rocks, but it's something special about holding one of those, isn't it?

00:00:31.000 Always.

00:00:32.000 I killed a goose with a Port Orford cedar arrow, real natural turkey feathers, Built by George Nichols at Jackson Archery in the 30s.

00:00:47.000 The arrows.

00:00:48.000 The head I found...

00:00:51.000 On the Rouge River in Detroit, and I was shooting a U longbow.

00:00:56.000 I might have been eight.

00:00:58.000 So you found a Native American arrowhead, and you used a 1930s wooden arrow with real turkey feathers.

00:01:05.000 High-profile shield cut that George Nichols made, who I eventually got to hunt with, who made all of Fred Bear's arrows.

00:01:14.000 There's much mojo that...

00:01:16.000 That emits from my spirit because I've been in such unique environments.

00:01:21.000 But anyhow, I went to a...

00:01:23.000 I went to the—what was the name of the cemetery?

00:01:27.000 Wildwood Cemetery on Grand River and Six Mile Road in Detroit, right off the Rouge River.

00:01:33.000 There's a cemetery there.

00:01:35.000 And the geese always landed in the ponds and in the little cricks that ran off the Rouge River.

00:01:40.000 And I snuck in there with my cousin Mark Schmidt.

00:01:43.000 And I still have that yew wood longbow.

00:01:45.000 I ended up putting electric tape around it because it started to split a little bit from 1955, maybe?

00:01:51.000 Wow. 0.98

00:01:52.000 And there was some Canadian geese on a pond, and we snuck in almost like Ishii, like Org from the year three, sneaking in through the reeds and the nasty shit. 1.00

00:02:04.000 And I drew back and shot that goose, and it flopped all around. 0.97

00:02:07.000 But we got that goose, ran to the fence, climbed over the fence, and took it home.

00:02:11.000 I think it's amazing, but I would feel so nervous to lose one of those heads.

00:02:15.000 There's something about those heads.

00:02:18.000 There's a lot of places where you're not supposed to pick them up, which I find to be very bizarre.

00:02:23.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 When I was in Nevada, we were hunting mule deer.

00:02:26.000 I was with Steve Rinella, and I found one there.

00:02:29.000 And they informed me that you're not supposed to pick it up.

00:02:32.000 Huh.

00:02:32.000 What man has the authority to tell you that?

00:02:35.000 I don't understand.

00:02:35.000 Well, I think the idea is that it's an artifact and that you're supposed to just leave it there, which I don't understand, because either I'm allowed to pick it up and it should go to some sort of museum or something.

00:02:52.000 I don't know where they would keep them.

00:02:53.000 I would like to think that hand-me-downs.

00:02:58.000 Continue the mojo, pass the mojo on.

00:03:01.000 Don't you think the mojo handed from hand to hand from generation to generation would have more spirit I mean,

00:03:16.000 some Native American folks have had a real problem with people picking up artifacts and claiming them as their own.

00:03:23.000 I think that's the issue with it.

00:03:26.000 But for me, I mean, we were on a bow hunting trip.

00:03:30.000 And to find an arrow and to know that someone, some Native American, had been in that same area hundreds and hundreds of years ago and, you know, hunting for their food to feed their family in that same ground.

00:03:44.000 And then I had picked up a part of their weapon.

00:03:47.000 It was pretty amazing.

00:03:48.000 Well, it might not be historical artifact, but I come bearing gifts.

00:03:53.000 You've got a lot of stuff.

00:03:53.000 I come bearing gifts.

00:03:55.000 What do you got there?

00:03:56.000 Come and take it?

00:03:57.000 I brought you this.

00:03:58.000 They have one at the exact...

00:04:00.000 Oh, it's signed.

00:04:00.000 Except this one's autographed.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, all right.

00:04:03.000 I like it.

00:04:04.000 They have one just like that at the range in Austin, signed by our governor.

00:04:07.000 Yes, put that.

00:04:07.000 And I also, just because I ran out of the garage with them, also a come and take it hat.

00:04:15.000 Oh.

00:04:15.000 Come and take your hat sign.

00:04:17.000 Also a very Joe Rogan, I will not comply autographed hat.

00:04:21.000 Oh, nice.

00:04:21.000 And the reason I'm grabbing these is because it's a great story.

00:04:25.000 This is a great story in my life.

00:04:26.000 You can have that one. 1.00

00:04:27.000 And then re-elect that motherfucker hat. 1.00

00:04:29.000 And this is a Ted Nugent Sunrise Safari's Will Hunt for Food. 0.99

00:04:33.000 And because I gave these to my grandkids over the holidays, this is so important.

00:04:38.000 I don't know if you carry a flashlight with you, but starting today you will.

00:04:41.000 This little Browning flashlight from my buddy George Britton at Britain's Archery in Tarpon Springs, Florida.

00:04:49.000 It is so bright.

00:04:51.000 And then when you're going to your stand in the morning...

00:04:52.000 Oh, you got a green one, too.

00:04:54.000 So you don't alert.

00:04:55.000 Double it up.

00:04:55.000 Nice.

00:04:56.000 And then this will go super bright, middle and low.

00:04:59.000 That's amazing that it's that bright and so small.

00:05:01.000 I use it 10 times a day.

00:05:04.000 When we came to the studio earlier, I had to show Jeff where the lock was.

00:05:10.000 360 lumens.

00:05:11.000 That's a lot.

00:05:12.000 For a little tiny thing like...

00:05:13.000 I used to carry a big-ass flashlight in my pocket.

00:05:15.000 And it clips onto your pants with that little...

00:05:18.000 Or your hat when you wear a cap.

00:05:19.000 Oh, right, yeah.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, I wear one of those when I go into the woods.

00:05:23.000 So Merry Christmas, Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Birthday.

00:05:26.000 These are enough gifts for our next four or five years if we don't run into each other again.

00:05:30.000 I like it.

00:05:30.000 Thanks very much.

00:05:31.000 Appreciate it.

00:05:32.000 So my first opening volley.

00:05:33.000 Okay.

00:05:34.000 Most important thing?

00:05:35.000 Joe.

00:05:36.000 How are you?

00:05:37.000 I'm good.

00:05:38.000 How are you, Ted?

00:05:39.000 You seem good.

00:05:39.000 Thank you.

00:05:40.000 You seem good.

00:05:41.000 I'm good.

00:05:42.000 I'm good.

00:05:43.000 You're healthy.

00:05:44.000 You're happy.

00:05:45.000 You're focused.

00:05:46.000 You got a samurai thing going on?

00:05:49.000 Yes, everything's good.

00:05:50.000 I'm very happy.

00:05:50.000 That's all I wanted to know.

00:05:51.000 A samurai thing?

00:05:52.000 What do you mean?

00:05:52.000 Well, supreme focus.

00:05:54.000 Oh, okay.

00:05:55.000 Dedication to being oneness with any given endeavor.

00:05:58.000 And obviously, if you're arrowing elk with Cameron and hunting with Steve Rinella, that's what I call the samurai touch with nature.

00:06:07.000 Those guys live that stuff.

00:06:08.000 You live that stuff.

00:06:09.000 I live that stuff.

00:06:10.000 So I want to make sure you're feeling good.

00:06:12.000 I'm feeling good.

00:06:13.000 Yeah, I'm very fortunate to know those guys.

00:06:15.000 To be able to have a mentor, like my first mentor, Steve Rinella, to be able to...

00:06:19.000 To have that guy take me out hunting for my first time.

00:06:22.000 Michigan boy.

00:06:22.000 Yes, Michigan boy.

00:06:23.000 Great, great tradition in Michigan.

00:06:24.000 So what do you got in this pot here?

00:06:26.000 That's coffee, sir.

00:06:26.000 Can I have a slug of that?

00:06:27.000 There you go.

00:06:28.000 Let me have a slug of that.

00:06:29.000 So I bring you positive spirit and energy and attitude and goodwill and decency.

00:06:35.000 I'm having the greatest hunting season of my life.

00:06:37.000 I'm shooting some mystical arrows into some sacred pump stations.

00:06:41.000 I'm getting a lot of venison donated to soup kitchens and homeless shelters and neighbors and making gifts to the band and the crew since we haven't toured and everybody is horny to unleash the musical beast.

00:06:53.000 Yeah, that is a beautiful thing about that, the Hunters for the Hungry program.

00:06:57.000 Beautiful.

00:06:58.000 Nationwide.

00:06:58.000 It's incredible.

00:06:59.000 I do media all the time, and the hunting thing always comes up.

00:07:04.000 Of course. 0.99

00:07:05.000 And if they don't bring it up, I make sure I do, because it needs to be promoted and celebrated in the face of stupidity, which, boy, I have a great story for you. 0.99

00:07:13.000 You're going to love this. 0.99

00:07:16.000 You already love me, but you're going to love me more in a moment.

00:07:18.000 Really?

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:18.000 Yes.

00:07:19.000 Let me prepare myself.

00:07:20.000 So anyhow, when I do the media and I explain to them about venison, organic, renewable, nutritious, pure, natural, healthy, good, good, win, win, win, win, win, I never get any pushback.

00:07:34.000 Not since the 60s and 70s where hippies pushed back.

00:07:38.000 Because it's universally at least understood in its most basic truism.

00:07:46.000 Yeah.

00:07:47.000 But whenever I bring up that the Hunters for the Hungry has been going on, Hunters for the Hungry, Sportsmen Against Hunger, various state organizations where they distribute natural harvested surplus venison to homeless shelters, soup kitchens, needy families.

00:08:03.000 Even to Glenn Beck, he goes, 250 million hot meals a year?

00:08:08.000 Come on! 0.61

00:08:08.000 That can't be true. 0.61

00:08:09.000 And I go, well, you got Ted Nugent talking to you.

00:08:12.000 If it's coming out of my mouth, it's true.

00:08:14.000 I do research.

00:08:15.000 I don't have opinions.

00:08:16.000 I have facts.

00:08:16.000 I have evidence.

00:08:17.000 Is it really that much?

00:08:17.000 250 million meals?

00:08:19.000 250 million pure nutritious meals of venison.

00:08:23.000 How many animals is that?

00:08:25.000 That's crazy.

00:08:27.000 Obviously, you kill animals.

00:08:29.000 Tens of millions.

00:08:30.000 Many, many, many meals.

00:08:32.000 Nationwide. 0.90

00:08:33.000 But is that pigs as well, or is it just...

00:08:36.000 Elk, deer, mostly deer, probably 90% deer.

00:08:40.000 Not many people donate elk meat.

00:08:42.000 No.

00:08:43.000 I donate to friends, but I have to love them dearly.

00:08:46.000 Well, I'm a generous, loving guy.

00:08:48.000 But I keep the back straps, okay? 0.68

00:08:50.000 I'm generous, but I'm not an idiot. 0.86

00:08:52.000 Well, the roasts are pretty damn good, too. 0.99

00:08:54.000 I have played on this podcast multiple times, you shooting pigs out of a helicopter. 0.73

00:08:59.000 They're so beautiful.

00:09:01.000 You're just talking about samurai.

00:09:03.000 But it's a crazy thing that people that don't understand will look at that and go, this is horrible, this is awful.

00:09:09.000 It's like, you don't understand invasive species.

00:09:11.000 You don't understand the fact that this actually has to be done.

00:09:13.000 And if you're a person that likes to eat vegetables, guess what?

00:09:16.000 They're going to eat them all.

00:09:17.000 They're going to destroy them all.

00:09:18.000 They need to do something about these animals, and there's no way you can stop them from breeding.

00:09:22.000 There's millions of pigs in Texas alone. 0.91

00:09:25.000 Tens of millions. 0.70

00:09:26.000 If I may, put the definitive comment on that.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, please do. 1.00

00:09:30.000 If you have a problem with killing pigs from a helicopter, you're an idiot. 1.00

00:09:36.000 And let me help fix you, because we're all idiots at some point in life, because we don't know nothing. 1.00

00:09:40.000 There's ignorance, and I've been ignorant. 1.00

00:09:41.000 I'm currently ignorant on how to weld. 0.95

00:09:43.000 I need to learn that. 0.98

00:09:44.000 But I admit my ignorance so that I don't fuck up a weld. 0.96

00:09:48.000 I get a guy who's not ignorant about welding. 0.99

00:09:50.000 So let me fix the ignorant out there and see if I can't weld some intelligence into their otherwise craving mind for information. 0.99

00:09:57.000 When we kill pigs from a helicopter, it benefits the environment because they destroy the environment. 0.99

00:10:05.000 They erode everything and it causes devastation to waterways and riverine habitat and just every habitat.

00:10:11.000 So we're saving the environment. 0.98

00:10:12.000 So shut up. 1.00

00:10:14.000 We're saving agriculture because they destroy tens of millions of dollars of agriculture every year. 0.97

00:10:21.000 So we're saving agriculture.

00:10:22.000 I think that's just in Texas.

00:10:23.000 Tens of millions.

00:10:24.000 Just Texas, not to mention California and Mississippi.

00:10:28.000 So when we kill pigs from a helicopter, we have created an industry that I legalized.

00:10:35.000 Before I called then-Governor Perry and then Attorney General Greg Abbott, it was against you.

00:10:41.000 The helicopter thing?

00:10:42.000 Yeah, it was against the law. 0.94

00:10:43.000 You couldn't pay a helicopter pilot to shoot pigs. 0.68

00:10:46.000 Only government agents were allowed to do it. 0.90

00:10:49.000 In Texas!

00:10:50.000 I know that sounds like a New York law, but it was in Texas.

00:10:54.000 And when my buddy Johnson said, you can't pay me for gas, I go, well, it's got to be expensive, the helicopter, cross-collateralization, I can't pay you.

00:11:04.000 And the game warden go, I hope you're not paying him to do that.

00:11:07.000 Well, who are you? 0.96

00:11:09.000 How could you possibly think you have the authority to determine whether I pay for the gas in a helicopter as I go up and shoot pigs? 0.98

00:11:17.000 Well, that's the law.

00:11:19.000 So the law was you couldn't pay for it?

00:11:21.000 You couldn't pay for it.

00:11:23.000 Is it like a prostitution thing? 1.00

00:11:24.000 Don't ask why.

00:11:26.000 Why isn't Hillary in prison? 1.00

00:11:28.000 Why isn't she in prison? 1.00

00:11:29.000 That's my point.

00:11:29.000 The why question is eternal.

00:11:33.000 Anyhow, so I called Governor Perry and I said, Rick, You've got to be kidding me, because everybody knows that wild hogs in Texas are an absolute scourge of a liability. 0.98

00:11:46.000 You're craving systems by which we can reduce the population, and then you make the most effective solution illegal.

00:11:53.000 He goes, well, I had no idea.

00:11:55.000 I'm like, well, the guitar player will help.

00:11:56.000 Now, I need to call Greg Abbott.

00:11:58.000 So on the hunt was Chris Kobach, who happens to be a constitutional attorney.

00:12:02.000 Really a wise one, a really super one, right up there with Cruz.

00:12:06.000 And so he Googled the laws and he rewrote them at the camp.

00:12:12.000 At the helicopter camp, we're slamming hogs from the helicopter. 1.00

00:12:15.000 We're saving farmers money.

00:12:17.000 We're saving the environment.

00:12:18.000 We're saving wildlife because hogs kill everything they can finally run into, whether it's eggs or fawns.

00:12:24.000 And they're delicious.

00:12:25.000 And pigs are delicious.

00:12:27.000 That's why we created Hogs for a Cause charity, where we pick up the dead hogs, we process this organic pork, and we feed soup kitchens and homeless shelters.

00:12:35.000 So don't you see?

00:12:36.000 It's win, win, win, win, win.

00:12:38.000 Everything is good.

00:12:39.000 There's nothing bad about it.

00:12:41.000 Well, it's not sport.

00:12:42.000 Well, then you share with me your last helicopter hog hunt where you hit the pigs every time from a moving helicopter and an erratically running hog. 1.00

00:12:50.000 Shut the fuck up! 0.99

00:12:52.000 Anyhow, so after we called Abbott and Perry and Chris Colback, these guys are attorneys and I don't hold it against them, they rewrote it. 0.99

00:13:02.000 Two weeks later, it was legal.

00:13:04.000 And here's the next win.

00:13:06.000 We created an enormous new industry that is generating tens of millions of dollars for travel, hotels, groceries, ammo, sporting goods.

00:13:19.000 Taxidermists, ice, beer, guides, outfitters, helicopter owners.

00:13:23.000 So it's win, win, win, win.

00:13:24.000 So I'll go back to my opening statement. 1.00

00:13:26.000 If you're against this completely, conclusively, definitively win situation for everything, you're an idiot. 1.00

00:13:36.000 Now take the information I just shared with you and try to eliminate your idiocy. 1.00

00:13:41.000 Now, listen to me. 1.00

00:13:44.000 This is the most important thing we're going to talk about today.

00:13:47.000 I had a great time with you in LA and we talked about stuff and I talked about a vegan diet.

00:13:56.000 You corrected me.

00:13:57.000 I called it vegan.

00:13:58.000 You said vegan.

00:13:59.000 My son is one.

00:14:00.000 And I said, well...

00:14:03.000 Don't you know if you really wanted to kill the most things possible, you would be a vegan?

00:14:10.000 Because the plow and the disc kills everything preparing the field for your bean, your tofu. 0.98

00:14:18.000 And then anything that might just be dismembered and slithered out of the way or the disk of the plow, then they come in with Mansanto and poison the shit out of them. 0.99

00:14:27.000 Are you aware, Joe Rogan, that I was bombarded? 0.94

00:14:30.000 And I understand that you heard from a lot of people that never thought of it that way.

00:14:34.000 That the preparing of tofu is the most genocidal slaughter procedure available on planet Earth. 0.94

00:14:43.000 Because you have to kill animals.

00:14:45.000 Everything that interferes with the bean production.

00:14:48.000 Well, last night on Yellowstone, a very popular series, Kevin Costner, playing the boss hog of the Yellowstone ranch, quoted me.

00:15:03.000 Almost verbatim on that statement as he confronted some animal rights people on the show last night.

00:15:10.000 And I have been bombarded lately with people going, Costner quoted you from the Joe Rogan interview when he confronted animal rights from hundreds of people who saw it.

00:15:21.000 The producers, Taylor Sheridan, according to my son Toby, is a big fan of my defiant ballet, my defiance ballet.

00:15:32.000 And he must have heard our exchange.

00:15:35.000 And Joe, it was almost verbatim of what I said on your podcast.

00:15:41.000 That's amazing.

00:15:42.000 It's awesome because people who responded to me said, yeah, I see what you mean.

00:15:47.000 I never thought of it that way.

00:15:48.000 Well, maybe you should start thinking.

00:15:50.000 The thing is, like, people think of animals dying as like a deer is like if you shoot a deer, you killed an animal.

00:15:57.000 But they don't think that if you want to grow lettuce, you have to displace wildlife, you have to do what's called monocrop agriculture.

00:16:05.000 And when you have thousands of acres of soybeans, for example, that's not normal.

00:16:12.000 It's not normal for the ground to have only one plant for thousands of acres, and it's not sustainable.

00:16:17.000 The only way they can do that is to kill everything that was there, and the amount of rabbits that they have to kill, gophers, groundhogs, birds, everything, snakes, turtles, voles, shrews.

00:16:29.000 Anything that's ground nesting gets churned up in the wheels.

00:16:34.000 They think of it as you're eating plants, but you can do it in a way where you're not going to kill anything if you grow your own.

00:16:41.000 If you want to grow your own vegetables, you have your own garden, you do it organically, you compost all your waste, and it's possible to do, but most people are not doing that. 0.98

00:16:50.000 Most people are a part of something that's awful, and most people who eat meat are a part of something that's awful too, and I think you and I will both agree that factory farming is fucking disgusting. 0.99

00:17:00.000 Disgusting. 1.00

00:17:01.000 It infuriates me. 0.98

00:17:03.000 Before I became a hunter, I was on the fence.

00:17:06.000 I remember that.

00:17:07.000 I watched so many PETA videos and I was like, I'm either going to be a vegetarian or I'm going to be a hunter.

00:17:11.000 I met Rinella.

00:17:13.000 He took me hunting.

00:17:13.000 I shot a mule deer.

00:17:14.000 We cooked it over a fire and I go, this is what I'm doing.

00:17:16.000 Perfect.

00:17:17.000 It felt like I had tapped in, like I'd opened up a door to some DNA that I didn't know existed.

00:17:24.000 And the way I explain it to people...

00:17:26.000 That I've never hunted.

00:17:27.000 I'm like, do you know that feeling when you catch a fish?

00:17:29.000 There's a feeling when the fish is on the line.

00:17:31.000 There's an excitement that doesn't even totally make sense.

00:17:35.000 But what that excitement is, there's a primal door that opens up where you realize you are now going to feed your family.

00:17:42.000 You have this fish.

00:17:43.000 It's on the line.

00:17:44.000 You're going to pull it in.

00:17:45.000 This wild animal that you've captured will now...

00:17:48.000 It will now give nutrients to your loved ones.

00:17:53.000 It's in there.

00:17:54.000 It's in your DNA. And when you hunt, the first time I shot that deer and we were sitting there cooking and eating it over the fire, I knew it right away.

00:18:03.000 I was like, okay, this is how you're supposed to eat meat.

00:18:05.000 Because you're a smart man.

00:18:05.000 This is how you're supposed to eat meat.

00:18:07.000 You're supposed to go get it.

00:18:08.000 Yeah.

00:18:09.000 That's why I was attacked all throughout my career for murdering innocent animals, and I knew that what I was doing was pure.

00:18:16.000 Well, there's also the reality that no animal in the wild dies in a nice way.

00:18:22.000 They don't die of old animals.

00:18:23.000 Tooth, fang, and claw.

00:18:25.000 I've used the term tooth, fang, and claw, and nobody knows what that means.

00:18:29.000 I have to explain it.

00:18:30.000 But when I was growing up, that's the description of nature, because it is the description of nature, tooth, fang, and claw.

00:18:37.000 There is no gentle death in nature.

00:18:39.000 It's all prolonged, heartbreaking to the human psyche, and real.

00:18:45.000 It's natural.

00:18:46.000 That's the way the cycle works.

00:18:48.000 I mean, there's a reason.

00:18:49.000 The horrible thing is, if it didn't happen that way, they would overpopulate and it would be terrible diseases.

00:18:55.000 Yeah.

00:18:56.000 Destruction of habitat.

00:18:57.000 Yeah.

00:18:58.000 And here's the bottom line. 1.00

00:19:00.000 Shit has to die. 1.00

00:19:02.000 Yes. 1.00

00:19:03.000 The surplus has to be utilized with reverence, i.e., garlic and butter.

00:19:09.000 Revenue-generated, family hours of recreation.

00:19:11.000 Well, how can you enjoy killing an animal?

00:19:13.000 Because it's a challenge, because it's a fulfilling spiritual experience knowing that God created these beasts, much like the Aboriginal people put the hieroglyphics on the cave wall because they were desperate to adequately convey reverence for this beast that was difficult to get close to with a sharp stick. 0.91

00:19:35.000 They had to dedicate themselves to a higher level of awareness, predator capabilities, reasoning predator, in order to kill it cleanly because the mastodon would kill them if they didn't kill it cleanly.

00:19:45.000 And then that hunter brought not just food, food, clothing, shelter, medicine, tools, weapons, and more important than any of that—and I'm just a stupid guitar player, but I figured this out by the time I was 12— More important than the tools and the weapons and the food and the protein and the clothing and the shelters,

00:20:10.000 which is what the bison and the mastodon provided.

00:20:14.000 There is a sense when you're done of eternal spirit that this isn't just tangible physical stuff, that something else happens.

00:20:25.000 Like you talked about around the campfire, chewing on a mule deer backstrap, when you teach your grandkids how to catch that fish and fillet that beautiful fillet off of that skeleton and fry it up and you eat it.

00:20:38.000 It's a physical... 0.96

00:20:42.000 Ballet, but it's equal as a spiritual ballet, because if you're a dirtbag, if you're a dunce, and if you don't care, you're going to have to hire somebody else to do it, and that's where the factory farming comes in. 0.97

00:20:55.000 And I got a comment. 0.95

00:20:57.000 God bless the farmers and ranchers, because if we want 10 billion chickens a week, that's how you got to do it. 0.97

00:21:04.000 By the way, there's a lot of ranchers that treat their animals very well and they really just have one bad moment of one day.

00:21:12.000 And that's when they get that piston through the brain and it happens instantaneously.

00:21:16.000 There's a lot of great ranchers out there.

00:21:18.000 I've hung out with them all my life.

00:21:19.000 It's not all factory farming.

00:21:21.000 You can buy ethically raised food.

00:21:23.000 The majority of them are conscientious stewards.

00:21:26.000 They watch the water, the soil, the air.

00:21:29.000 There's a company that we work with, too.

00:21:31.000 It's called ButcherBox.

00:21:32.000 Great stuff, yes.

00:21:34.000 It's a great company.

00:21:35.000 And they source all their food from ethical ranchers, their seafood.

00:21:42.000 It's also from sustainable sources.

00:21:45.000 All their chickens are free-range, wild chickens.

00:21:48.000 I mean, not wild, but free-range chickens.

00:21:49.000 That's a proper, responsible reaction to the dumbing down of America where they don't care.

00:21:55.000 And then, of course, we can get into the insanity of...

00:21:58.000 Squaloring for healthcare because people don't care about their health and it starts with diet. 0.99

00:22:04.000 The sugar, the garbage. 0.51

00:22:05.000 Yeah, diet is the most important thing.

00:22:06.000 Isn't that funny that like all this healthcare talk, very, very, very little talk about losing weight and then making sure you eat good nutrition.

00:22:14.000 Very little talk of it.

00:22:15.000 Through this whole pandemic, it was an amazing opportunity for the government to say, folks, here is one of the most important things you can do for your immune system.

00:22:24.000 Make your body healthy.

00:22:25.000 Tucker Carlson is the only guy I've seen that mentions that specifically.

00:22:29.000 I think he's a great guy.

00:22:30.000 Well, Tucker's a fisherman.

00:22:32.000 Hardcore.

00:22:33.000 Yeah, hardcore fly fisherman.

00:22:34.000 Hardcore, yep.

00:22:34.000 He was on Rinella's podcast, and I was really impressed with his knowledge of fishing and the fact of how he's so dedicated to it.

00:22:42.000 And he understands the physics of spirituality, about the dedication and tying that fly just like the midge.

00:22:50.000 It's an art form.

00:22:51.000 The fly fishing thing is weird, though, to me, because a lot of them just let them go.

00:22:55.000 They're just out there...

00:22:56.000 I can't catch and release. 1.00

00:22:57.000 ...fucking with fish. 1.00

00:22:58.000 Yeah, they're fucking with the fish. 1.00

00:22:59.000 I know there's some screams where you have to, and I admit that, but I'm not going to fish there because I like a slab. 0.97

00:23:04.000 Yeah, I find it odd.

00:23:07.000 I mean, I know that's fun to do.

00:23:09.000 I've done it before.

00:23:10.000 You know, I've gone fly fishing.

00:23:12.000 I've gone salmon fishing when you have to let them go.

00:23:15.000 I get it.

00:23:16.000 But it's weird.

00:23:17.000 It doesn't feel right.

00:23:18.000 No.

00:23:19.000 This is food.

00:23:20.000 You don't let food go. 0.54

00:23:20.000 It also feels like, imagine if you could shoot an elk in the head with a blunt dart and it knocked them out cold. 0.54

00:23:26.000 Don't do it.

00:23:26.000 And then you walked up on them, took a picture of them, and then gave them some smelling salts and let them go.

00:23:31.000 Well, you got your rhino hunting in Africa, the green rhino hunts.

00:23:33.000 Right.

00:23:33.000 Yeah, they dart them.

00:23:34.000 But I'm not interested in that either.

00:23:36.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:23:36.000 Well, I would be interested in going to one of those things because, you know, there's a whole conservation effort to try to save those rhinos, and I think it'd be fascinating just to be around them and watch it happen.

00:23:46.000 But, you know, there was a guy that I had on the podcast many years ago, Corey Knowles.

00:23:51.000 Knowlton?

00:23:52.000 Corey Knowlton.

00:23:54.000 Yeah.

00:23:55.000 He's a guy who, there was a big hullabaloo because he bought a black rhino tag for hundreds of thousands of dollars and people wanted to kill him.

00:24:03.000 And he did a great job of explaining the money that he's spending to go and hunt this black rhino.

00:24:09.000 First of all, they had to kill that rhino because that rhino was killing all the- It was a rogue.

00:24:13.000 I have my own story.

00:24:14.000 I did one. 0.95

00:24:15.000 I killed one. 0.97

00:24:16.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:24:18.000 But his story was interesting because the black rhino is an endangered animal.

00:24:22.000 It is.

00:24:22.000 And it was killing all these viable young males, but it wasn't viable anymore.

00:24:27.000 So it was no longer breeding, but it was still killing.

00:24:30.000 They had to go.

00:24:31.000 They had to do something about it.

00:24:32.000 And so the money that he spent doing that goes towards conservation to take care of these rhinos. 0.96

00:24:39.000 And CNN, of all places, this is back when CNN wasn't quite as fucked up, they did a really good job explaining this. 0.81

00:24:46.000 And they followed him around, and the guy who is the reporter said, I have a much better understanding of what this is all about. 0.86

00:24:53.000 And it's very confusing.

00:24:54.000 Honesty from CNN! Can I have a copy of It was just a video of it.

00:24:59.000 But it's a very confusing thing to people that don't understand that the whole reason why the animals are thriving in Africa is because people want to pay to shoot them.

00:25:08.000 And that's like, to a lot of people, that is a real problem.

00:25:11.000 Like, they have a real problem with that.

00:25:13.000 Except that that's not all that is.

00:25:17.000 I'm 73 in two weeks.

00:25:19.000 You look great.

00:25:21.000 Like I said, if I had some sleep, I'd really be handsome. 0.80

00:25:24.000 But I hunt so hard every day, I just beat the shit out of myself, and it's so fun.

00:25:28.000 You were saying you were on day, before we get started, you were saying before the podcast, you were on day, what, 30-what?

00:25:35.000 I don't know.

00:25:35.000 No, this is, what is it, November 29?

00:25:37.000 I started mid-August.

00:25:39.000 Wow.

00:25:40.000 And I hunt every day.

00:25:42.000 It's the first day I slept in.

00:25:43.000 Wow.

00:25:44.000 First day I slept in.

00:25:44.000 If it's raining, I duck hunt.

00:25:46.000 If it's not raining, I deer hunt.

00:25:48.000 I hunt every day. 1.00

00:25:49.000 I live on a ranch, and shit needs to die, and I get a kick out of sneaking up on them with a bow and arrow. 1.00

00:25:55.000 It's so difficult, the challenge. 0.99

00:25:56.000 How many meals do you think you donate every year to the Hunters for the Hungry?

00:26:01.000 Thousands?

00:26:02.000 Thousands.

00:26:03.000 That's incredible.

00:26:04.000 I mean, it really is amazing.

00:26:06.000 Because if you just donated to soup kitchens and you donated to any other organization that feeds the hungry, you'd have to spend a fuckload of money to get thousands of meals.

00:26:17.000 And they need meat.

00:26:18.000 They can get dented cans of beans, they can get four-day-old bread, but they can't get meat.

00:26:23.000 So the majority of soup kitchens and homeless shelters, I work with Project Caritas in Waco, And we got butchers in Michigan where we donate whole carcasses.

00:26:33.000 And again, I'm a sweetheart, but I'm not an idiot.

00:26:36.000 I keep the back straps.

00:26:38.000 I mean, not all of them, but most of the back straps.

00:26:41.000 That's what we like.

00:26:42.000 But anyhow, that system regarding the rhino is a perfect example because it's so controversial.

00:26:52.000 I killed a white rhino in South Africa in 95, 96. This rhino had killed three rhinos, ravaged entire agriculture operations, and had killed young elephants.

00:27:04.000 It was a rogue rhino. 0.74

00:27:05.000 He was 20-some years old, and they had to kill him. 0.80

00:27:09.000 Now, there's a choice. 0.82

00:27:11.000 If you want to save rhinos and save other animals, this rogue rhino has to die.

00:27:18.000 We're good to go.

00:27:40.000 Something I learned later.

00:27:42.000 But the money I paid for that rhino paid for years of salaries for anti-poaching squads to save the rhino.

00:27:52.000 So my killing the rhino saved many rhinos and other wildlife.

00:27:58.000 And the elephant that I killed in South Africa had already killed people.

00:28:02.000 It came over from the Thule herd from Botswana across the Lampoper River.

00:28:09.000 And had ravaged agriculture, destroyed villages, the elephant had to die.

00:28:14.000 Now, that's not the typical scenario, not like the deer and the elk and the moose and antelope are threatening people, but they produce surplus.

00:28:26.000 The animals have babies every year.

00:28:29.000 The ground doesn't expand.

00:28:33.000 The population increases every spring, but the ground not only doesn't expand, it recedes because of habitat destruction.

00:28:41.000 I think it's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow.

00:28:43.000 Well, they need to start swallowing it.

00:28:45.000 I know, but they don't hear it enough.

00:28:47.000 It wasn't for you and me.

00:28:49.000 I don't think anybody would hear this.

00:28:50.000 It's hard to hear it.

00:28:52.000 It's hard to have the conversation.

00:28:53.000 Because if you go to the average person and you say, is there ever any reason to shoot a rhino? 1.00

00:28:57.000 They'd be like, fuck no. 1.00

00:28:59.000 Don't you know that rhinos are dying? 1.00

00:29:00.000 Okay, well, what if the rhino's killing other rhinos?

00:29:02.000 They'd go, does that happen?

00:29:04.000 Like, they don't even know.

00:29:05.000 They don't even know.

00:29:06.000 Joe, you're talking to the guy who's been on the front line of this stuff all my life.

00:29:09.000 I know you have.

00:29:11.000 When I go to Whole Foods, or I'm at the Starbucks, or I'm in Mill Valley, north of San Francisco, people come up to me all the time that don't look like... 0.83

00:29:21.000 Yeah.

00:29:36.000 And the consummate gentleman trying to educate him in a gentle way, but in a non-compromising way.

00:29:44.000 And within minutes!

00:29:44.000 Do you ever get tired of doing it?

00:29:45.000 Because you've been doing it for so long.

00:29:47.000 No, not at all!

00:29:47.000 Because the anti-education system has so efficiently dumbed down such a huge swath of our culture that I feel...

00:29:58.000 Like I was just going to share, the gal from Starbucks in, is it Mill Valley or Valley Mills, north of San Francisco, confronted me and I just took a couple minutes to explain surplus and value.

00:30:12.000 What did she say to you?

00:30:13.000 She goes, I can't believe that you would kill an elk.

00:30:17.000 And I go, well, have you ever eaten elk?

00:30:19.000 I mean, what do you eat?

00:30:20.000 I mean, I'm a vegan.

00:30:22.000 Then I explained the whole tofu slaughter system.

00:30:25.000 She goes...

00:30:26.000 Yeah, but still.

00:30:27.000 And I go, no, not, no.

00:30:28.000 It's not still.

00:30:29.000 Not, yeah, but still.

00:30:30.000 That's never a legitimate response.

00:30:32.000 You have to ask them, does one animal equal, does one life, is one life equal, or are lives more valuable when they're big?

00:30:40.000 And the beautiful thing about that environment, in that ultra-liberal environment, she is aware of the field, the field-to-table Restaurants in that area where they're getting these wild pigs and they're getting the permits to process them and deer meat and wild squirrels and raccoons.

00:31:03.000 They're eating raccoons.

00:31:04.000 Where are they eating raccoons? 1.00

00:31:05.000 Up in San Francisco, there's a field table specialty restaurant where they...

00:31:09.000 You need to eat looters.

00:31:11.000 What about eat them? 0.99

00:31:13.000 We need to trap them.

00:31:15.000 So common sense once...

00:31:20.000 Explained with adequate evidence to support the explanation, I find that it's approaching 100% of the time those hardcore against it literally turn—I literally have seen this happen so many times— Oh,

00:31:41.000 I didn't know that.

00:31:42.000 They always turn their head and they kind of wince and go, because they want to cling to the fantasy that they can save a life by not killing a moose.

00:31:51.000 And within minutes, and I do this on our Spirit of the Wild show, you should see the bombardment of emails and correspondence I get.

00:32:00.000 When I was on your podcast, Jesse James, who builds the guns and the hot rods here in Austin, he said, I fixed his daughters, who were viciously against him hunting and catching fish and not releasing them, until they heard the explanation of how many things die for a salad.

00:32:17.000 And he said, they never heard it like that before, and quite honestly, neither did I. But I live this stuff.

00:32:23.000 I've driven a tractor.

00:32:24.000 I see the seagulls and the crows behind me, and I see the slithering, dismembered creatures that the plow destroyed, and that's why the seagulls and the crows are following the tractor, to eat these wounded animals. 0.95

00:32:36.000 Because in order to get a tofu salad, you've got to kill the shit out of a whole bunch of stuff. 0.94

00:32:40.000 What I was getting at is that... 0.99

00:32:41.000 You gotta ask a lot of these folks, too, does one life equal one life?

00:32:46.000 Does the life of one small rodent, like a mouse, that gets run over in a tractor, is that the same as an elk?

00:32:53.000 Because if I shoot one elk, I eat that elk for a year.

00:32:56.000 Yes.

00:32:57.000 Joe, I had this conversation with my son Rocco, who's in the other room.

00:33:01.000 How'd your son become a vegan?

00:33:02.000 He's a very nice guy.

00:33:04.000 Don't mean to pick on you, Rocco.

00:33:05.000 He's amazing.

00:33:05.000 Is he in here right now?

00:33:06.000 No.

00:33:07.000 I love him, Matt.

00:33:08.000 I love him so much it's immeasurable.

00:33:10.000 And he's so smart. 0.99

00:33:11.000 He's such a smart ass. 0.95

00:33:12.000 He's such a critical thing. 0.98

00:33:13.000 Is that a rebellion thing?

00:33:14.000 Because his dad's Ted Nugent?

00:33:16.000 No.

00:33:17.000 Some people jump to that conclusion, but he has a digestive condition.

00:33:21.000 And he discovered a diet where he didn't have complications.

00:33:25.000 And that diet ended up being hardcore vegan.

00:33:28.000 What is the digestive complication?

00:33:31.000 He'd have to explain it, but it's a...

00:33:33.000 Do you know that?

00:33:34.000 I have a buddy of mine who's a hunter who got that Lone Star Tick disease.

00:33:38.000 Oh, geez, yeah.

00:33:39.000 You know that?

00:33:40.000 Yes.

00:33:40.000 The Lone Star Tick, these people, it's something called alpha-gal.

00:33:43.000 Allergic to meat.

00:33:44.000 Yeah, and he's a hunter, and he's allergic to meat.

00:33:47.000 He got it during a hunt. 0.98

00:33:48.000 What a pisser.

00:33:49.000 He had a tick burrow itself. 0.89

00:33:51.000 It's really kind of ironic.

00:33:53.000 He had a tick burrow itself on a hunt into his belly button, and he didn't realize it was even in there. 0.99

00:33:59.000 Holy shit. 0.98

00:33:59.000 And then eventually, by the time he got it out there, he was feeling sick. 0.98

00:34:02.000 He didn't feel good.

00:34:03.000 He went and got diagnosed, and whenever he'd eat meat, he'd have headaches, and he'd feel awful.

00:34:08.000 Oh, man.

00:34:09.000 And he got this disease, which is...

00:34:12.000 There's a lot of diseases that come from ticks, folks, and Lyme disease is the most notorious one, but this one from the Lone Star Tick, it has something called, it's like alpha-galactose, they're called alpha-gal for short, I believe.

00:34:25.000 I don't know the exact term of the enzyme or whatever it is that it targets, but that is what is in meat, and when you eat meat, it makes you really sick.

00:34:38.000 And it could last for a year or more.

00:34:40.000 So he's in the process of it right now.

00:34:42.000 Shout out to my friend Evan.

00:34:43.000 Yeah, a moment of education for our fellow hunters out there.

00:34:47.000 Examine the creature you're about to gut.

00:34:49.000 Yes, check for ticks, man.

00:34:51.000 Check your body for ticks.

00:34:52.000 Because if you can get those ticks off within the first 24 hours, you generally don't get the lime and you don't get the alpha-gal.

00:34:59.000 We've had friends that have become really, really borderline paralyzed from tick bites. 0.93

00:35:06.000 Oh my God, that Lyme disease will fuck you up. 0.98

00:35:08.000 Lyme disease is horrendous. 0.99

00:35:10.000 My brother Jeff, his young son Patrick is over in Switzerland or Germany right now getting treated.

00:35:14.000 He's got it so bad and they don't treat it in the same way here in the States.

00:35:19.000 What's the difference how they treat it over there?

00:35:21.000 I have no idea.

00:35:21.000 Some kind of incubation where they turn up the heat and they give them a fever of 104, 105 for a prolonged time under control.

00:35:30.000 And try to burn it out of them.

00:35:32.000 Jesus. 0.56

00:35:32.000 Oh, it's just horrible. 0.56

00:35:34.000 It's generally over here they just give you like a shitload of antibiotics.

00:35:37.000 Yep.

00:35:38.000 If you get the antibiotics, here's a great, here's a tick story for all you tick hunters out there.

00:35:42.000 Because if you're hunting, you're going to run into them.

00:35:44.000 If you're in the outdoors, especially spring turkey hunting, you're sitting on the grass waiting for a bird to come in, you're right there in tick epicenter.

00:35:51.000 Yeah.

00:35:51.000 A friend of ours, two brothers in Jackson County, Michigan, this might have been back in the 70s, They both shot deer during the gun season, and when you gut the deer, you cut down the pelvic, and usually on the hams,

00:36:08.000 on that white hair, you can see ticks, especially here in Texas.

00:36:11.000 Well, they dismissed it because there wasn't much knowledge about that back then.

00:36:15.000 Well, they both found ticks on themselves, and the one brother had another bronchitis Bronchial infection, so his doctor prescribed hardcore antibiotics to the one brother,

00:36:31.000 but the other one didn't get the antibiotics, and the other one's in a wheelchair now because it metastasized and just crippled him.

00:36:41.000 Yeah, my friend's son, he got Bell's Palsy, and he was only five years old. 0.78

00:36:46.000 Half his face turned paralyzed, and it was fucked up for quite a while before it came back. 0.85

00:36:51.000 Jamie, do me a favor and look that up. 0.99

00:36:53.000 I want to make sure that I'm saying this right, this alpha-galactose from whatever the fuck it is. 0.97

00:36:57.000 I know it's alpha-gal for short. 0.98

00:36:59.000 It's from the Lone Star Tick.

00:37:01.000 Lone Star Tick makes you allergic to...

00:37:03.000 I mean, I have it on the Mayo Clinic site.

00:37:05.000 It doesn't say what alpha-gal stands for.

00:37:07.000 It just says alpha-gal syndrome.

00:37:08.000 Oh.

00:37:09.000 There it is.

00:37:10.000 Alpha-gal syndrome.

00:37:11.000 Alpha-gal syndrome is a recently identified type of food allergy to red meat.

00:37:15.000 Other products from mammals in the United States are conditions most often caused by a lone star tick bite.

00:37:20.000 The bite transmits a sugar molecule called alpha-gal syndrome.

00:37:24.000 I think it's a shortened version of the real name, into the person's body.

00:37:29.000 In some people, this triggers an immune system reaction that later produces a mild to severe allergic reaction to red meat, such as beef, pork, lamb, or other mammal products.

00:37:39.000 Lone Star Tick is found predominantly in the Southeastern United States, and most cases of Alpha-Gal Syndrome occur in that region.

00:37:45.000 The tick can also be found in the Eastern and Southern Central United States. 0.99

00:37:50.000 The condition appears to be spreading further north and west, motherfuckers. 0.98

00:37:54.000 However, as deer carry the Lone Star tick to new parts of the United States... 0.99

00:37:58.000 You know what's fucking weird? 0.95

00:37:59.000 Have you heard that a large percentage of deer are carrying COVID-19? 0.98

00:38:03.000 I don't believe it.

00:38:05.000 It's true.

00:38:05.000 I just don't...

00:38:07.000 Based on what, the CDC? No, no, no.

00:38:09.000 Based on...

00:38:10.000 These hunters have captured or taken samples...

00:38:16.000 I think, what state was it in that they found?

00:38:18.000 Wisconsin, a bunch.

00:38:19.000 In Michigan, they found a bunch.

00:38:20.000 Yeah, they found like more than 50% carried antibodies.

00:38:23.000 Yeah, but how do you measure 50% of the deer herd?

00:38:27.000 No, no, no.

00:38:28.000 Not 50% of the deer herd.

00:38:29.000 50% of the deer that they tested.

00:38:31.000 But what's interesting is, this was on Rinella's podcast, which is very informative.

00:38:35.000 Meat Eater podcast.

00:38:36.000 One of the best hunting podcasts there is.

00:38:38.000 The best.

00:38:39.000 He goes back in time, the doctor that was, the scientist that was studying this, and so they had been collecting blood samples on these deer for decades.

00:38:47.000 So they went back a decade ago and there's none.

00:38:50.000 And so this is a very recent thing that these deer, and they don't know how, whether it's from the captive cervid industry, you know, people come in contact with these deer, you know, when people farm deer.

00:39:02.000 They really don't know.

00:39:03.000 They don't know I don't know why and how, but that's one of the things that they're saying about these viruses, like this idea of stopping the spread of this virus.

00:39:10.000 There's always going to be animal reservoirs, and it's almost impossible to stop a virus entirely.

00:39:18.000 And that the best case scenario is the virus eventually mutates to a point where it's not nearly as dangerous.

00:39:24.000 And they think that that's what happened to the Spanish flu.

00:39:27.000 And they also think that that's what's happening currently with COVID, that slowly over time, it'll mutate to a point where it's not as dangerous.

00:39:35.000 And they think that this new one in South Africa, even though everybody's freaking out about this new strain, what's it called?

00:39:41.000 What are they called?

00:39:42.000 Omnicom? 0.80

00:39:43.000 Omicron.

00:39:43.000 Sounds like one of the Transformers.

00:39:45.000 They think that this new one...

00:39:47.000 Maybe it is.

00:39:47.000 All the cases have been extremely mild.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, basically the symptoms of an average cold, and they're going nuts about it.

00:39:54.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:39:55.000 There's an emergency in New York City.

00:39:57.000 They declared a state of emergency for what literally is very mild for all the people that have caught it so far.

00:40:04.000 New York City did that.

00:40:04.000 I'm shocked to hear that they overreacted, and they're following the narrative in New York.

00:40:10.000 I don't know if it's New York State or the city, but I think they're both wacky.

00:40:13.000 The new governor's wacky.

00:40:14.000 Well, here's what I think is the most important element of that story, where they're shutting down people coming in from Africa. 0.99

00:40:24.000 First of all, Biden and his sidekicks...

00:40:29.000 I immediately attacked Trump for being racist for doing that.

00:40:33.000 And now they're doing it.

00:40:34.000 I think that's an interesting observation that is very indicative.

00:40:39.000 But I hear from a bunch of outfitters, huge gazillion dollar industry, billions and billions of dollars that are generated in South Africa, desperately needed revenues.

00:40:52.000 Some of the highest revenues brought into that country, not just South Africa, but whole Southern Africa.

00:40:58.000 Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, Namibia.

00:41:01.000 And they're all shut down.

00:41:03.000 They're all shut down, and all the Safari Club International, Dallas Club Safari, Houston Safari Club, all these conventions that generate billions of dollars per convention, these guys can't come and put on their exhibits and can't book hunters.

00:41:18.000 And a lot of people would dismiss it as an inconsequential industry.

00:41:23.000 It's a consequential industry.

00:41:24.000 Well, and it's not just that industry.

00:41:26.000 It's also safaris where people want to go and just see wild animals, and that's a huge industry as well.

00:41:31.000 And what's really crazy is this did not, they don't think it came from Africa.

00:41:35.000 It was found there.

00:41:36.000 They think it was found there, and they've also found it in Brazil, they've found it in New Zealand, they've found it in a few other places, and they think someone who is a vaccinated traveler, because in order to go there you've got to be vaccinated, they think a vaccinated traveler went there like from Europe, because to travel from Europe I believe most of the countries you have to be vaccinated.

00:41:55.000 They think that that's how it got there.

00:41:57.000 That someone picked it up somewhere else, brought it to South Africa, and then in South Africa, it was identified. 0.99

00:42:04.000 Cluster fuck. 0.99

00:42:05.000 Who knows? 1.00

00:42:06.000 I mean, it might have come from South Africa.

00:42:08.000 It might not have.

00:42:09.000 But the point is, to shut down Africa seems incredibly cruel.

00:42:14.000 I believe you have to give people freedom.

00:42:18.000 You've got to give people the opportunity to make their own choices.

00:42:22.000 And I think, you know, there's ways to test people.

00:42:25.000 It's not hard to test.

00:42:25.000 It's one of the things they did when the people landed.

00:42:28.000 One of the planes landed from South Africa.

00:42:32.000 I forget where it landed, but they tested 61 people on the flight, tested positive.

00:42:38.000 61 of them?

00:42:39.000 61. And then they put those people in hotels to quarantine for where it's over.

00:42:43.000 But again, very mild symptoms.

00:42:45.000 So this is like a huge overreaction.

00:42:49.000 So far.

00:42:50.000 We've seen a whole lot of that. 1.00

00:42:51.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:42:52.000 I never would have thought that it would be this easy to get people to not just comply, but to turn on their fellow Americans. 0.99

00:43:00.000 I mean, not just Americans, all over the country.

00:43:02.000 Australia's probably got it worse than anybody.

00:43:04.000 But one of these hats I gave you says, I will not comply.

00:43:06.000 It's got a picture of a beautiful rifle on it.

00:43:08.000 A buddy of mine came to me and had one of those hats and he asked me to sign it.

00:43:12.000 And a bunch of his buddies said, where can I get one?

00:43:14.000 I'd like one of those to sign.

00:43:15.000 So I made a few.

00:43:16.000 And after a couple thousand, we're at like 50,000 of those right now, that people go to tednugent.com and get autographed.

00:43:23.000 I will not comply hats.

00:43:24.000 But it's not just about gun confiscation.

00:43:27.000 It's about...

00:43:30.000 Arbitrary, punitive, capricious, nonsense-founded decrees from people who don't have the authority to give those decrees. 0.98

00:43:38.000 And that's the clusterfuck 2020. They never have had it before. 0.97

00:43:41.000 They never had the ability to tell you you can't work before, and now they do.

00:43:45.000 And they're using it a lot.

00:43:46.000 And they're not using it in a rational way.

00:43:49.000 And they're not using it with...

00:43:52.000 A real understanding of the consequences of what they're doing to these people that have literally had these businesses through their family for decades and decades.

00:43:59.000 Heartbreaking.

00:43:59.000 They've worked so hard and now it's all gone.

00:44:01.000 It's all gone and then you look at Florida.

00:44:03.000 Florida made completely different choices and Florida's fine.

00:44:08.000 So it doesn't make any sense.

00:44:10.000 Like if you look at overall rationally, like if you look at the state of the country and what California did versus what Florida did, right now Florida has the lowest numbers of cases per day.

00:44:21.000 Florida's economy is booming.

00:44:23.000 The real estate economy is booming because people are escaping all these states where you can't do anything and they're going to Florida.

00:44:29.000 And Texas.

00:44:30.000 Yes, and Texas. 0.99

00:44:31.000 We did the first UFC in Florida in fucking April. 0.97

00:44:34.000 So the pandemic shut everything down in March. 0.95

00:44:36.000 We did a UFC in Florida in April.

00:44:38.000 I mean, we didn't have a crowd because people were still a little skittish.

00:44:42.000 But Florida, at least we could go to restaurants.

00:44:44.000 You know, you had to wear a mask. 0.99

00:44:45.000 I was like, fine, I'll fucking whatever. 0.99

00:44:48.000 I thought it would last like a couple more months and then we'd be over with. 0.97

00:44:51.000 But Florida was the first and they were widely criticized.

00:44:54.000 But now if you look at it...

00:44:56.000 I mean, except for times where there's these surges, where people love to capitalize on those moments and say, look, you're killing people, you're killing people.

00:45:04.000 If you adjust for age, Florida has done as well, if not better, than any state in the country when it comes to what happens with this virus.

00:45:11.000 They've shown over time that if you look at how this virus works, and if you look at the response to it, lockdowns don't help.

00:45:20.000 They just don't.

00:45:21.000 I've been following that.

00:45:22.000 And they definitely don't help these people's lives.

00:45:25.000 And they definitely don't help overdoses.

00:45:27.000 They don't help depression.

00:45:29.000 They don't help people losing businesses that, again, they've worked for decades for.

00:45:33.000 I firmly believe that you have to let people make their own decisions.

00:45:39.000 And once we understand what this is, this is not the Black Plague.

00:45:42.000 It's not killing 50% of the population.

00:45:44.000 And there's all these remedies that are completely ignored.

00:45:47.000 That no one cares about.

00:45:48.000 No one cares about vitamins and vitamin D and the fact that at one point in time they measured, I believe it was 84% of the people in the ICU with COVID had insufficient levels of vitamin D. Sure.

00:46:01.000 And only 4% had sufficient levels.

00:46:03.000 And if you look at the country in general, it's more than 70% of the people are deficient in vitamin D. That's a crazy number.

00:46:09.000 And it's not an expensive thing to get.

00:46:11.000 Vitamin D, if you can get it outside, it's natural.

00:46:14.000 You just lay in the sun, you get it, which is the best form of vitamin D. The best way, yeah.

00:46:17.000 That's the free form.

00:46:18.000 But you can buy it as a supplement. 0.99

00:46:20.000 But meanwhile, I've never heard that once from these fucking press conferences. 0.98

00:46:25.000 You mean Fauci doesn't recommend natural, intelligent, taking care of your health before you ask for health care? 0.99

00:46:30.000 Well, you know what?

00:46:31.000 You could say that.

00:46:32.000 If they want to talk about vaccines and they want to talk about all these other things, say that.

00:46:36.000 But also talk about these other things.

00:46:38.000 Talk about quercetin.

00:46:40.000 Talk about zinc.

00:46:40.000 Talk about ionophores.

00:46:42.000 Talk about how important it is to take care of your health and drink a lot of water and lose weight.

00:46:47.000 There was an article, a peer-reviewed study recently about what is happening with overweight people.

00:46:54.000 That overweight people, one of the things that's happening with COVID and overweight people is that their body is not producing the antibodies correctly because of the fact that their body is so overweight.

00:47:08.000 Sure.

00:47:08.000 There's something happening.

00:47:09.000 There's a process that goes on while you're obese that doesn't go on with a person who's lean.

00:47:14.000 And that it's like a significant issue when it comes to your immune system and your immune system's response to COVID. And it's one of the reasons why so many people, at one point in time, 78% of the people in the ICU for COVID were obese.

00:47:28.000 Well, the Nugent family is in mourning this year.

00:47:31.000 We've lost some great friends, and most of them were dramatically overweight.

00:47:36.000 Here it is right here.

00:47:37.000 The results...

00:47:37.000 The study showed the majority of COVID-19 patients with obesity make almost indiscernible amounts of neutralizing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, suggesting that obese individuals may be at a higher risk to respond poorly to COVID-19 infection.

00:47:54.000 But I think overall, before we even get into the minutia, I'd like to think that one thing we can accomplish, and you've done so in your podcast, and I salute you and thank you for that, is for people to focus on their lifestyles.

00:48:08.000 What is Mr. Hand putting in Mr. Grocery Cart, and can you pronounce the ingredients, and is it really something you want your children to eat?

00:48:16.000 There is a pandemic of blubber in this country that is just inexcusable.

00:48:23.000 If it says diet or sugar-free, don't buy it.

00:48:26.000 The best thing you can do is go hunting and have a garden.

00:48:30.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.000 Drink water.

00:48:31.000 And drink a lot of water.

00:48:33.000 It's literally the best thing you can do.

00:48:34.000 And get the sugar and the carbs out of your lifestyle. 1.00

00:48:36.000 My wife, Shemaine, my son, Rocco, my son, the whole Nugent family, hardcore...

00:48:43.000 Intelligent, caring, conscientious, taking care of sacred temple.

00:48:48.000 That's another term.

00:48:49.000 I think we talked about it on our first podcast together, that when I was growing up, this was known as the sacred temple.

00:48:55.000 When I use that term to anybody under 50, they don't have the faintest idea what I'm talking about, just like the term tooth, fang, and claw, that nature isn't cuddly and cute, and it's not Bambi. 1.00

00:49:05.000 It's savagery.

00:49:08.000 Hardcore blood and guts.

00:49:10.000 And that's beautiful in its own way, but people have to start paying attention to what Mr. Hand is putting into Mr. Mouth.

00:49:19.000 And here's another one, Joe.

00:49:21.000 The chemical warfare that is intentionally waged upon our families with the air fresheners, the chemicals, the downy fabric softeners.

00:49:30.000 Those are bad?

00:49:31.000 But they smell so good.

00:49:33.000 Wait a minute.

00:49:33.000 Don't smell good.

00:49:34.000 It smells like a French whore on a bad day. 1.00

00:49:37.000 Wait a minute. 1.00

00:49:38.000 That's some poison shit. 1.00

00:49:41.000 Shemaine and I, if you open... 1.00

00:49:43.000 Somebody's brainwashed you.

00:49:44.000 If you open the door to your house, and we've had this happen, where our friends invite us to these beautiful homes, and they open the door to welcome us in...

00:49:54.000 We can smell the fabric softener.

00:49:56.000 We can smell the plug-in heated chemical air fresheners.

00:50:00.000 It's just horrible.

00:50:02.000 It can't be good for you.

00:50:04.000 More chemicals is not better than less chemicals.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, I don't think that those are good for you.

00:50:09.000 Flowers are good for you.

00:50:10.000 You should have flowers.

00:50:10.000 They smell good.

00:50:11.000 I like dishes full of dirt.

00:50:13.000 That's what I like.

00:50:15.000 Do you wear deodorant?

00:50:16.000 I do wear deodorant.

00:50:17.000 All natural stuff from an organic store.

00:50:22.000 What is all natural deodorant? 1.00

00:50:23.000 Does that shit work? 0.99

00:50:25.000 Yeah, mine work. 1.00

00:50:26.000 I smell good.

00:50:27.000 Do you?

00:50:28.000 Yeah, give me a good whiff before we get out of here.

00:50:30.000 I will.

00:50:30.000 I'm going to hug you.

00:50:30.000 I'm going to give you a whiff.

00:50:31.000 No, I keep all chemicals out of my life.

00:50:34.000 Now, let me think what I have that's probably not good.

00:50:37.000 I have this thing called ginger beer that's got some sugar in it.

00:50:40.000 I like that, but not a lot, you know, in moderation.

00:50:43.000 But mostly our life is organic vegetables and fruits and venison.

00:50:48.000 Well, again, like if you get to be your age and you have the amount of energy that you have, you're doing something right, obviously.

00:50:54.000 Clean and sober for 73 years is a good start.

00:50:57.000 That's a good start.

00:50:58.000 That's a good start.

00:50:58.000 Do you drink a little wine every now and then?

00:51:00.000 I do drink some good red wine, and Shemaine chooses and picks my wine because I have no idea.

00:51:05.000 You just don't get blasted.

00:51:06.000 I drink like this much.

00:51:09.000 Right.

00:51:09.000 You can still stay sober.

00:51:10.000 And that's fine.

00:51:10.000 Everybody at the Thanksgiving dinner table, the Nugents drink beer and wine, and they have a couple of highballs, whatever that is.

00:51:17.000 But I don't.

00:51:18.000 I can't stand the taste of liquor.

00:51:20.000 I like a good sweet wine, but a couple drinks and a good cigar around a campfire.

00:51:25.000 I've shot our machine guns.

00:51:27.000 And there are certain procedures that seem to be good for the psyche.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, I enjoy a good cigar as well, and I like a nice glass of wine, but I do like to get drunk occasionally.

00:51:37.000 A lot of my friends do, too.

00:51:38.000 But you know what?

00:51:39.000 I take countermeasures.

00:51:41.000 But see, I can accomplish all things getting drunk without getting drunk. 1.00

00:51:45.000 If you want crazy and stupid and out of control, all I have to do is go crazy, stupid, and out of control. 1.00

00:51:51.000 I'm sure. 1.00

00:51:51.000 I don't need any impetus. 1.00

00:51:53.000 I don't need any outside influences.

00:51:55.000 The great Apache chief said, Everything you need.

00:52:01.000 And I believe that wildness, uninhibitedness, absolute gonzo misbehavior, whatever you need to do, is already in here.

00:52:11.000 You just need to know how to unleash it.

00:52:13.000 For example, recently, I do all these interviews.

00:52:15.000 I have a new record coming out called Detroit Muscle, which is...

00:52:18.000 I sent you a bunch.

00:52:19.000 How many records have you had?

00:52:21.000 40 million I've sold, but I think...

00:52:25.000 20-some, 30 albums, maybe?

00:52:27.000 That's pretty incredible.

00:52:28.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 I started in 67. Not when I was 67. God damn.

00:52:32.000 1967. Do you know how many fighters come out to Stranglehold, by the way? 0.99

00:52:34.000 Of course I do.

00:52:35.000 Well, what a lick. 0.94

00:52:36.000 Shall I? Yeah, please do.

00:52:37.000 I mean...

00:52:38.000 There's so many fighters come out to that song, because, like, for a jujitsu guy, that is the song.

00:52:43.000 And military guys, military guys going into battle.

00:52:46.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 Hitman! 1.00

00:53:22.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

00:53:23.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

00:53:24.000 Look at your goosebumps. 1.00

00:53:25.000 Those are real.

00:53:25.000 Look at that hair standing up on end.

00:53:27.000 Shit. 1.00

00:53:27.000 It really is happening. 1.00

00:53:28.000 After a thousand years of that shit! 1.00

00:53:30.000 A thousand years and you still get fired up. 1.00

00:53:32.000 What a great lick though! 1.00

00:53:33.000 It's a great fucking song. 0.99

00:53:34.000 That all comes from Bo Diddley. 0.99

00:53:36.000 When you first get a guitar when I was like seven years old, of course, who doesn't feel...

00:53:58.000 That is such a natural rhythm.

00:54:00.000 I was just on the phone with Billy Gibbons and he said that a fetus at conception If that Bo Diddley lick is happening, it will dance. 1.00

00:54:11.000 So my point is that this right hand, if I jacked off, I'd pull my dick clean off because this right hand— You jack off with your left hand? 1.00

00:54:19.000 Never mind. 0.99

00:54:22.000 I signed so many autographs and all these hats every day and all these flags, and I play my guitar every day, and I started with his god, Bo Diddley.

00:54:36.000 You hear all the...

00:54:37.000 Well, what is...

00:54:50.000 And I learned that, not just Bo Diddley, but a guy named Jimmy McCarty.

00:54:56.000 Know the name.

00:54:58.000 Jimmy McCarty.

00:55:01.000 1960. My band, The Lourdes, opened up for Billy Lee and the Rivieras, Martha and the Vandellas, and Gene Pitney, who had a hit song called Town Without Pity.

00:55:12.000 This history.

00:55:13.000 So I opened up.

00:55:15.000 I was 12...

00:55:17.000 Going on 12, my band the Lourdes opened up Billy Lee and the Revere.

00:55:20.000 You were 12 and you were opening up for them? 0.99

00:55:22.000 Yeah, when I was 14, I opened up for the Supremes and the Bo Brumbles at Cobo Hall because my band the Lourdes won the Michigan Battle of the Bands because we were bad motherfuckers for white boys, I'm telling you. 0.99

00:55:34.000 14? 0.99

00:55:34.000 Yes, it was awesome. 0.99

00:55:35.000 So anyhow, going back to Walled Lake Casino.

00:55:38.000 Novi, Michigan.

00:55:39.000 Walled Lake, Michigan.

00:55:41.000 Billy Levice destroyed ten tambourines per song.

00:55:46.000 Every song had three forehead-vein-popping crescendos.

00:55:50.000 Johnny Bonangic, 15 years old on Ludwig drums, playing a...

00:55:57.000 Nobody played bass drums like that.

00:55:59.000 And there's this kid throttling like some kind of industrial beast.

00:56:03.000 And then Earl Elliott on a Rickenbacker bass through an Ampeg B-15.

00:56:10.000 Joe Kubrick on a Gibson 335 Cherry through a Fender Twin Amp. 0.99

00:56:15.000 And this long-legged motherfucker on a Gibson Birdland. 0.97

00:56:21.000 And a Fender Twin Reverb, Jimmy McCarty, and they started a song called Jenny Take a Ride. 0.99

00:56:27.000 I was already into the Bo Diddley Chugga Chugga Chugga stuff, but when he started Jenny Take a Ride, only I can do this.

00:56:36.000 Only I can replicate what Jimmy did that night, and it went like this.

00:57:00.000 Get it!

00:57:19.000 Watch this right hand. 1.00

00:57:30.000 Get the fuck out of here! 1.00

00:57:32.000 Do you feel that? 1.00

00:57:33.000 Yes, yes. 1.00

00:57:34.000 What the fuck kind of music is that? 0.99

00:57:36.000 It's amazing music. 0.99

00:57:37.000 So I saw this Birdland.

00:57:39.000 Nobody played a Birdland.

00:57:41.000 It's a jazz guitar.

00:57:41.000 It's made for playing things like...

00:58:08.000 Which is cool.

00:58:09.000 Great tone, huh?

00:58:10.000 Right.

00:58:24.000 Great rich bell kind of tone, but when Jimmy played it, that...

00:58:35.000 Wow.

00:58:36.000 So that imprinted Gibson Birdland, Fender Twin.

00:58:39.000 Gibson Birdland, Fender Twin.

00:58:41.000 Right hand, Bo Diddley on stair. 1.00

00:58:43.000 Holy fuck! 1.00

00:58:44.000 So eventually, I had to get a Gibson Birdland. 1.00

00:58:47.000 And the way I play comes from the Bo Diddley Chuck Berry.

00:58:51.000 And if you Chuck Berry, I mean the whole...

00:59:15.000 Now Chuck didn't play it like that because my right hand was playing all the counter rhythms.

00:59:21.000 And so that's where the whole...

00:59:23.000 The whole...

00:59:33.000 The new record's got a song called Detroit Muscle. 0.96

00:59:39.000 I don't write songs, I ejaculate them.

00:59:41.000 I just pick up my guitar and go... 0.91

01:00:03.000 It's just made me play.

01:00:05.000 So Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard, Jimmy McCarty, Billy Lee and the Rivieras, by the way, changed their name years later to Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels.

01:00:14.000 I talked to Mitch on Thanksgiving. 0.99

01:00:15.000 I still keep in touch with these fucking guys 60 years later. 1.00

01:00:19.000 Wow. 0.99

01:00:20.000 So the new record is the continuation of, use the word primal.

01:00:25.000 Primal is my life, whether it's with a sharp stick or a guitar or a chainsaw.

01:00:31.000 Primal is pure.

01:00:34.000 And I think that field to table is a return to primal.

01:00:37.000 I think you discovering that you can either go vegan or a hunter, you made the primal decision.

01:00:42.000 I think primal is the answer to every problem mankind has subjected themselves to.

01:00:50.000 Getting back to tooth, fang, and claw, the earth, accountability, your step.

01:00:56.000 Did the step that you take benefit the world, or did it harm the world?

01:01:03.000 Both literally and figuratively. 0.99

01:01:05.000 So that's how I've conducted my life, and the new record It's just a fucking orgy of killer songs. 0.96

01:01:14.000 And my drummer, Jason Hartless, and bass player Greg Smith are what every guitar player dreams to have at their side. 0.96

01:01:22.000 The best musicians you've ever heard.

01:01:24.000 That's awesome.

01:01:24.000 You know, I don't play music.

01:01:26.000 I don't have any musical talent.

01:01:28.000 I've never studied it.

01:01:29.000 But I'm always fascinated by the fact that, especially with guitar, that I can hear a few licks and I'm pretty sure I could guess who's playing.

01:01:38.000 Sure.

01:01:39.000 You know, like Gary Clark Jr., for example.

01:01:41.000 He has a very specific sound.

01:01:43.000 Here's his tone.

01:01:44.000 Here's his tone here.

01:02:00.000 He got that deep bass tone.

01:02:03.000 Yeah, you know, Steve Ray Vaughn, obviously, but Jimi Hendrix particularly.

01:02:07.000 Get out of here.

01:02:08.000 You know, I mean, that guy.

01:02:10.000 Was he the first that really had his own legitimate, distinctive sound? 0.99

01:02:32.000 What the fuck? 0.96

01:02:33.000 Did you ever work with him? 1.00

01:02:34.000 I jammed with Jimmy.

01:02:36.000 I was in a little room with him.

01:02:37.000 Wow.

01:02:38.000 It's unnatural.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, he was the guy that took what Chuck invented.

01:02:44.000 Chuck had the distortion.

01:02:45.000 He played a Gibson 335. He played a Birdland on his first record.

01:02:49.000 It was the prototype Birdland, 1955, I think.

01:02:54.000 But he got a little bit more distorted than the typical country, you know.

01:03:02.000 Right.

01:03:04.000 You know that...

01:03:05.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 But he took it to...

01:03:12.000 Like voodoo child sounds.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:15.000 And then Jimmy, of course, just turned everything.

01:03:18.000 I was invited... 1.00

01:03:20.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:03:21.000 Steve Paul had a club in New York called The Scene, Steve Paul Scene. 1.00

01:03:26.000 Everybody jammed with Johnny Winter and Edgar Winter and Rick Derringer and Jimmy McCarty and Jimi Hendrix and just every Steve Winwood.

01:03:37.000 We'd just go there and we'd just jam at 3 or 4 in the morning.

01:03:40.000 And I was invited by Stephen Green.

01:03:44.000 I hope I got all this right.

01:03:46.000 He was going to start a club, and it was going to be the debut of a new band called Sly and the Family Stone, their first East Coast performance.

01:03:57.000 And the Amboy Dukes were in New York City recording Journey to the Center of the Mine.

01:04:01.000 Great song.

01:04:09.000 That's that right hand again.

01:04:24.000 Just this young kid playing all these...

01:04:28.000 Illegal notes.

01:04:29.000 And so we were invited down, because there's going to be a Sly and the Family Stone debut, and we were on mainstream records.

01:04:36.000 I don't know how they invited us, but my journey of this turn of the mind solo was really quite outrageous back then, because it was so melodic, but it was feeding back.

01:05:06.000 Leave your kids behind.

01:05:09.000 Come with us and find the pleasures of a journey to the center of the mind.

01:05:19.000 Come along if you can.

01:05:22.000 It's a great song for a bunch of kids.

01:05:24.000 So we're invited, and we're in there, and they told me to bring my Birdland, because I only got to play the Birdland.

01:05:30.000 What's the difference?

01:05:31.000 Well, it's hollow-body, it's hand-carved arch-top made of North American spruce, so it has a, even without an amplifier, it's got the...

01:05:39.000 If you don't want to indulge me, like, when, like, Robert Johnson was playing, what was he playing?

01:05:55.000 Robert Johnson started with an acoustic guitar and they played such a nasty, noisy...

01:06:13.000 You know, I try to...

01:06:14.000 You can hear more string than electronics.

01:06:16.000 When I listen to his music, you know, because there's always the legend of him selling his soul.

01:06:22.000 Primal!

01:06:22.000 Yeah, so primal.

01:06:23.000 But also really new, right?

01:06:28.000 There wasn't a lot of that music around before him.

01:06:31.000 Well, you know, I'll tell you why.

01:06:35.000 I'm here to help.

01:06:36.000 So you want emotional, sincere, beckoning, defiant, raw, primal?

01:06:49.000 Yeah.

01:06:51.000 You're going to have to get it from a guy who was enslaved because his spirit has been shackled and his pain is unprecedented.

01:07:02.000 They were controlled by other men which is so obscene, so wrong.

01:07:07.000 They knew it was wrong but they couldn't break free.

01:07:10.000 So when they sang, it was the ultimate heartbreak, anger, fear, yet Craving to be free.

01:07:25.000 So you hear it in their angst and the pulse of their lyrics and the dirt.

01:07:35.000 Literally and figuratively.

01:07:37.000 They just come out of the cotton fields and they're going to play music of what they're feeling. 0.87

01:07:42.000 So it was so sincere, so definitively authoritative from a painful position.

01:07:49.000 Blues, gospel, And then, the Emancipation Proclamation, I give you Little Richard! 1.00

01:07:59.000 You're talking about a defiant motherfucker. 0.99

01:08:01.000 Bursts out of that. 1.00

01:08:03.000 Explosion!

01:08:04.000 You can't manufacture that.

01:08:06.000 It has to come from the guts.

01:08:08.000 It has to come from the horror of slavery to the unprecedented explosion of freedom. 1.00

01:08:15.000 And I'm going to sing about fucking your daughter long, tall Sally. 1.00

01:08:19.000 And I'm going to wear a pompadour and I'm going to put a mascara on and fuck you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:08:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:26.000 Beautiful!

01:08:27.000 And Chuck Berry.

01:08:28.000 Look at him, man.

01:08:29.000 I mean, get out of here.

01:08:30.000 Look at Little Richard.

01:08:31.000 He was my hero.

01:08:31.000 My God, he was amazing.

01:08:33.000 Long tall daddy! 0.99

01:08:34.000 Is he still alive?

01:08:36.000 Is he still alive?

01:08:37.000 Is he still?

01:08:38.000 I think so.

01:08:40.000 I think he's alive.

01:08:41.000 I think he's alive.

01:08:42.000 I want him to be alive.

01:08:43.000 I want him to be alive.

01:08:44.000 So anyhow, so that music touches...

01:08:46.000 No, 2020, man.

01:08:47.000 He died last year. 1.00

01:08:48.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

01:08:49.000 So that... 1.00

01:08:50.000 Yeah.

01:08:50.000 I didn't hear a peep out of that.

01:08:51.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 He died last year?

01:08:54.000 May 9th.

01:08:55.000 Wow.

01:09:00.000 My favorite is Tutti Frutti.

01:09:02.000 It used to be called Tutti Frutti Good Booty, and they made him change it. 0.99

01:09:05.000 He made hit records out of Fuck You, White Man. 0.99

01:09:10.000 So my point is, you can't manufacture it. 1.00

01:09:13.000 You can't design that.

01:09:14.000 There's no formula for that.

01:09:15.000 You've got to come from your soul.

01:09:18.000 And the horrible truth of that kind of art is that it comes from that pain and that you can't create it anywhere else.

01:09:27.000 And it's almost like that's the only benefit of that pain is that it produces this spectacular art.

01:09:34.000 And you had to let it out some way, and the music did that.

01:09:37.000 But you don't get that from a good childhood, right?

01:09:41.000 You know, I don't know.

01:09:43.000 I don't think you get that.

01:09:45.000 You probably get something great.

01:09:46.000 You can get something great, but you won't get that great.

01:09:49.000 It's a different kind of great, right?

01:09:50.000 Not that authentic.

01:09:52.000 Right.

01:09:52.000 Not that raw.

01:09:54.000 There's a believability factor to that black influence. 1.00

01:09:58.000 I had a tour years ago called Black Power, because every night on stage since the 50s, I've celebrated and thanked Chuck Berry and Bo Diddle and Little Richard and James Brown and Wilson Pickett and the Motown Funk Brothers.

01:10:09.000 I mean, there is no music that means anything that wasn't inspired by a black guy.

01:10:13.000 Name me music that moves you that doesn't have a black history.

01:10:17.000 How much of an impact did Hendrix have on guitar players in this country when he came around?

01:10:21.000 Huge!

01:10:21.000 What was it like?

01:10:22.000 Because you were there and you said you jammed with him, but I'm a giant Hendrix fan.

01:10:27.000 Monster.

01:10:27.000 When I was a kid, I remember hearing Voodoo Child for the first time just thinking, how is this guy doing that?

01:10:35.000 How is he making those noises?

01:10:36.000 Especially left-handed and upside-down.

01:10:39.000 Geez, there's so much I could tell you.

01:10:41.000 So yes, when Les Paul electrified it, about 1945, before that it was a background strumming instrument.

01:10:52.000 Folk music and background.

01:10:55.000 So it was 45 is when it changed.

01:10:57.000 I think 1945 is when Les Paul electrified it and all of a sudden it had this This fiery sound, this electric sound.

01:11:04.000 When did they first start recording?

01:11:06.000 Like, what was the first...

01:11:08.000 Me or him?

01:11:08.000 No, anyone.

01:11:10.000 Les Paul also invented a lot of the recording procedures.

01:11:13.000 I mean, the double-tracking, the multi-tracking, the echo stuff.

01:11:16.000 Because I think we've gone over this before we tried to figure it out. 0.97

01:11:19.000 There's like a really, really old recording of someone singing, and it sounds fucking terrible.

01:11:24.000 But, I mean, I want to say it was the 1700s?

01:11:29.000 Was that somewhere around that thing?

01:11:30.000 Seriously!

01:11:31.000 I think so.

01:11:32.000 17 or 18. 1860. 1860. Okay, so 1860 was the first recording.

01:11:38.000 And so it wasn't even 100 years later you have Hendrix.

01:11:43.000 Or 100 years later.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 Well, musicians...

01:11:45.000 100 plus, actually, right?

01:11:46.000 We're a crazy bunch.

01:11:48.000 And you want to talk about the ultimate application of critical thinking?

01:11:53.000 Take the foundation of electric guitar honky-tonk.

01:11:59.000 Actually, it's in the key of F, but...

01:12:19.000 Well, okay.

01:12:22.000 Let's spend the night together.

01:12:25.000 Now I need you.

01:12:26.000 That's all honky-tonk.

01:12:27.000 Right.

01:12:32.000 That's all honky-tonk.

01:12:33.000 I saw the Stones last week.

01:12:35.000 Great. 1.00

01:12:35.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:12:35.000 What about Mick Jagger? 1.00

01:12:37.000 What species is that?

01:12:39.000 78 years old.

01:12:40.000 I know it!

01:12:40.000 Dancing around, singing.

01:12:42.000 That's all I need to know. 0.99

01:12:43.000 Fucking amazing. 0.98

01:12:44.000 People go, how long are you going to be doing this? 0.99

01:12:46.000 Mick Jagger will let us know. 1.00

01:12:49.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:12:51.000 He's fucking still so... 1.00

01:12:52.000 They put on an hour and a half show at Circuit of the Americas in Austin. 0.99

01:12:56.000 So it's this enormous racetrack and they have a huge amphitheater out there.

01:13:00.000 It's an incredible place, the Circuit of the Americas. 0.99

01:13:02.000 And they have these fucking gigantic screens. 0.98

01:13:06.000 And when he was on stage, I swear to God, I felt like I was in a dream. 0.99

01:13:09.000 It didn't feel real. 0.99

01:13:10.000 To watch him dance around and fucking sing him. 1.00

01:13:15.000 You know they had to take brown sugar out of their playlist? 0.99

01:13:18.000 See, that's so wrong.

01:13:20.000 That's so wrong.

01:13:21.000 You're not allowed to celebrate black girls now?

01:13:24.000 Right. 0.92

01:13:24.000 How crazy is that? 0.92

01:13:25.000 How crazy is that?

01:13:26.000 And the girl who is the inspiration for that song was hugely upset by it.

01:13:30.000 She was like, it's an amazing part of rock and roll.

01:13:32.000 So was Aunt Jemima when she was banned from the shelf.

01:13:34.000 I don't think Aunt Jemima's a real person. 0.99

01:13:37.000 Brown Sugar is a great fucking song, man. 0.99

01:13:40.000 No one's protesting that song. 1.00

01:13:42.000 They just didn't want to deal with it.

01:13:43.000 It's like the woke anti-racism stuff.

01:13:45.000 That kind of let me down, because the Stones were a defiant bunch, and I'd like to think that they would retain that.

01:13:49.000 I think they just don't want any hate at this.

01:13:52.000 I mean, they're in the finish line, right?

01:13:54.000 They're at the homestretch. 0.99

01:13:55.000 But goddamn, the show was good. 1.00

01:13:57.000 When they played Kimmy Shelter, holy fuck. 1.00

01:13:59.000 Monster. 1.00

01:14:00.000 Holy fuck! 1.00

01:14:01.000 It was incredible! 1.00

01:14:02.000 Keith Richards can fucking still wail! 0.98

01:14:05.000 I spent two nights with Keith Richards at Studio 54 in New York City in 1978. Because I'm militantly anti-substance abuse, and he's militantly pro-substance abuse. 0.99

01:14:19.000 We had such a good time together.

01:14:21.000 It was just funny because he was a hero of mine.

01:14:24.000 I mean, all my songs came from Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley.

01:14:28.000 But remember the first Stones album, the British Invasion, Stones album, Beatles, Kinks, the Yardbirds?

01:14:34.000 They all had Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, and Motown songs because that's what I was raised on.

01:14:40.000 So I was playing that music before the British Invasion.

01:14:43.000 And so when the British guys did it, and they did it such a good job because they so revered those artists, They presented the Chuck Berry songs, O'Carroll.

01:14:53.000 I mean, just Keith Richards.

01:14:55.000 Let's see.

01:15:01.000 O'Carroll, don't let me steal your heart away.

01:15:07.000 Well, I got to learn to dance if you tell me all night and day.

01:15:13.000 Well, come into my machine so we can cruise on out.

01:15:19.000 What Keith Richards did to the Chuck Berry songs was so respectful, but I don't know, not more youthful.

01:15:27.000 You can't be more youthful than Chuck Berry.

01:15:29.000 Just different.

01:15:30.000 Just put a different spin on it.

01:15:31.000 Yeah, with Jagger's over-exaggerated bluesy vocal approach and all those great players.

01:15:38.000 But that was so influential.

01:15:40.000 So take that influence, which was a bombardment, unprecedented.

01:15:44.000 And then take it all the way to Jimi Hendrix, and then the next chapter of guitar sucker-punching was Eddie Van Halen.

01:15:54.000 And I've got to jam with all these guys.

01:15:57.000 You name the best guitarists I've jammed with all of them.

01:16:00.000 And to sit there—you don't sit there, you kind of dance there—and you're paying attention to what they express and how they unleash these note volleys and phrases and musical authority.

01:16:13.000 It settles in your psyche, it settles in your soul, and it's like an arsenal of licks that you can do in your own way, but you're not afraid to do it the way they did it.

01:16:24.000 And if you have a certain touch of your own, then it comes off as your signature style.

01:16:30.000 That's what's always so fascinating to me is that out of all the notes that have been played, all the songs that have been written and sang and recorded, that there's still new ways to make a guitar well.

01:16:40.000 Joe, you see this landscape?

01:16:42.000 Yes.

01:16:43.000 It looks restrictive, doesn't it?

01:16:46.000 Right.

01:16:46.000 It looks like it's only that long and that many frets.

01:16:50.000 Lewis and Clark wouldn't know where to send Sacagawea on my guitar neck.

01:16:55.000 I got a song on the new record called Driving Blind that goes...

01:17:00.000 Thank you.

01:17:23.000 There I was, minding my own business, kind of caught off guard.

01:17:31.000 I wrote the book on sexual healing, I swear to God.

01:17:39.000 Well, I think I found the answer to get me peace of mind.

01:17:47.000 Don't flirt with disaster and don't get caught driving blind.

01:17:58.000 You know, it's got a groove.

01:17:59.000 It sounds like something you've heard before, but you never have.

01:18:02.000 Where does Clapton fit into it for you?

01:18:04.000 Monster.

01:18:05.000 Monster.

01:18:06.000 I mean, the whole...

01:18:07.000 I mean, I can do...

01:18:30.000 Can you do Layla?

01:18:31.000 I don't know Layla.

01:18:33.000 But he's...

01:18:37.000 Yeah, the beast.

01:18:38.000 I mean, Billy Gibbons, the beast.

01:18:40.000 I mean, now Joe Bonamassa, a beast.

01:18:43.000 Who's Joe Bonamassa?

01:18:44.000 Joe Perry.

01:18:44.000 Joe Bonamassa is a super-duper blues guitar player that played Albert Hall and got Eric Clapton to join him on stage.

01:18:54.000 Look into Joe Bonamasi.

01:18:56.000 He's on tour all the time.

01:18:57.000 He's a great guitar player.

01:19:00.000 He's no Hendrix and he's no Billy Gibbons.

01:19:03.000 Even my guitar player, Derek St. Holmes, for years, one of the greatest guitar players in the world.

01:19:07.000 You won't hear his name mentioned, but he's better than most. 0.93

01:19:10.000 So there's Ricky Medlock with Leonard Skinner, my guitar player in the damn Yankees, Tommy Shaw. 0.52

01:19:16.000 These are unbelievable musical forces, just genius, soulful, grinding, authoritative guitar statements. 0.67

01:19:25.000 But you won't hear their name because there's so many of them out there.

01:19:28.000 There is so many, and there's more coming every day.

01:19:30.000 This kid's listening to this right now, just picking up a guitar for the first time.

01:19:34.000 Well, learn Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry if you can't go...

01:19:40.000 And if you can't go...

01:19:41.000 And if you really want to go someplace, try to do...

01:20:01.000 What a great lick. 0.99

01:20:02.000 I love playing that lick. 1.00

01:20:04.000 Great fucking lick. 1.00

01:20:05.000 That's a great fucking lick. 1.00

01:20:07.000 That's in my workout playlist. 1.00

01:20:08.000 Here I come again now, baby, like a dog in heat. 1.00

01:20:12.000 You can tell it's me by the clamor, motherfucker. 1.00

01:20:14.000 I'd like to tear up the street. 1.00

01:20:16.000 I've been smoking for so long, you know I'm here to stay. 1.00

01:20:18.000 I got you in a stranglehold, bitch. 1.00

01:20:20.000 Get the fuck out of my way. 1.00

01:20:22.000 What a love song. 1.00

01:20:23.000 It's a great song. 1.00

01:20:24.000 The road I cruise is a bitch now. 1.00

01:20:26.000 You know you can't turn me around. 1.00

01:20:27.000 If a house gets in my way, I'll burn the motherfucker down. 1.00

01:20:30.000 Remember the night that you left me and put me in my place? 1.00

01:20:33.000 Got you in a stranglehold, motherfucker, and I crushed your fucking face. 1.00

01:20:37.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:20:38.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:20:38.000 It's a love song. 1.00

01:20:40.000 You feel the love.

01:20:41.000 I don't, but I get it.

01:20:43.000 It's about standing there for what you believe.

01:20:45.000 Here's a great story.

01:20:46.000 You're not going to believe this.

01:20:48.000 So, I signed with Epic Records, 1974, Tom Worman, God bless him, Tony Reality, the engineer, Derek St. Holmes, Monster Forest, Rob Grange on bass, unbelievable, Cliff Davies, God rest his soul, on drums.

01:21:01.000 I got this rock and roll band from hell.

01:21:04.000 We're playing all over the country 300 nights a year.

01:21:07.000 Cultivating this musical relationship with music lovers that love the dynamic and the crescendos and the experimental and the outrageous uncharted territory musical mayhem, but mostly the intensity of a Detroit piss-and-vinegar band, which I define.

01:21:22.000 And so they signed me because they liked the songs.

01:21:25.000 You got Stranglehold and Stormtroopin', just great licks, great song.

01:21:29.000 Motor City Madhouse, just all these great songs.

01:21:31.000 Derek's got this ungodly voice.

01:21:34.000 So we get in the studio, and we're setting up equipment, and they had heard Stranglehold, but they called a meeting.

01:21:41.000 And I didn't know why they called a meeting, but the production company, the engineer, the management company, the band, the producer, all the record company, A&R, artist relations, all want to have a meeting.

01:21:52.000 I go, all right, maybe we should have a meeting before we start recording to make sure it's like a team energy thing, like a pre-fight gathering.

01:21:58.000 Right.

01:21:59.000 And the bottom line of the meeting was about they all voted that Stranglehold shouldn't be on the record because it doesn't have a chorus.

01:22:08.000 Oh my god.

01:22:10.000 Could you imagine if you listen to them?

01:22:12.000 I'm in the room!

01:22:15.000 And it's like an intervention.

01:22:17.000 Oh my god.

01:22:18.000 And they're trying to tell me that I gotta stop taking this drug.

01:22:21.000 Oh my god.

01:22:21.000 And I'm listening to all their things.

01:22:23.000 It doesn't have a chorus, so who gives a shit? 0.97

01:22:26.000 But nobody likes long guitar jams anymore. 0.99

01:22:28.000 I go, I do.

01:22:30.000 How is that possible?

01:22:32.000 This is 74?

01:22:33.000 So I said, are you guys done?

01:22:35.000 What year was Freebird?

01:22:38.000 That next year, maybe? 0.98

01:22:40.000 How the fuck did they get that so wrong? 0.97

01:22:43.000 They're in New York City. 1.00

01:22:44.000 That's so dumb! 1.00

01:22:45.000 And they're monitoring hit records. 1.00

01:22:47.000 Oh God, I hate that shit. 1.00

01:22:49.000 That shit drives me crazy. 1.00

01:22:50.000 So there was a moment where those lyrics to that song, Stranglehold, came to fruition in a meeting where they all voted that it shouldn't be recorded because it's a long jam, nobody likes long jams, and there's no chorus. 1.00

01:23:02.000 And I said, we play this every night.

01:23:05.000 I've been unleashing this song.

01:23:07.000 The people go nuts every night.

01:23:10.000 I'm going with the people's vote.

01:23:12.000 Not only that, but even if the people didn't like it, it's my statement.

01:23:16.000 I believe in this song. 1.00

01:23:17.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:23:18.000 Let's record it. 1.00

01:23:19.000 If you hear it for one time, how the fuck can you not love it? 0.98

01:23:23.000 That is such a classic. 1.00

01:23:25.000 It's a monster!

01:23:27.000 It's such a classic.

01:23:28.000 The fact that they wanted to take that off the road.

01:23:30.000 Imagine if you listen to them.

01:23:32.000 Oh my god.

01:23:34.000 I mean, between Cat Scratch Fever and that, what is your biggest hit?

01:23:39.000 Well, I don't think there was a hit.

01:23:41.000 I mean, Derek wrote the song Hey Baby on the first record.

01:23:46.000 But I mean, as far as songs that are identified as a Ted Nugent song throughout the history of music, Stranglehold's right up there.

01:23:54.000 Right up there at the top.

01:23:55.000 Probably between...

01:23:56.000 There's a song called Fred Bear.

01:23:58.000 Yes.

01:23:58.000 Amongst Hunters.

01:23:59.000 That's a big one.

01:24:00.000 Yes.

01:24:10.000 See, it's got that pound thing going.

01:24:13.000 There I was, back in the wild again.

01:24:19.000 And I felt right at home, where I belong.

01:24:26.000 I had that feeling coming over me again.

01:24:31.000 It's just like it happened so many times before.

01:24:37.000 So many times.

01:24:43.000 Beautiful song. 1.00

01:24:49.000 Fuck, I gotta tell you, Joe. 1.00

01:24:51.000 I got a call this morning. 1.00

01:24:54.000 When that song happened after Fred died...

01:24:58.000 I've always been surrounded by the best musicians on the planet.

01:25:01.000 They're dedicated to their craft.

01:25:02.000 They have a work ethic. 0.82

01:25:03.000 They're smart asses.

01:25:04.000 They're adventurous.

01:25:06.000 They're critical thinkers.

01:25:07.000 They're gifted.

01:25:09.000 Michael Lutz on bass, the author of Smoking in the Boys Room for Brownsville Station.

01:25:15.000 Gunnar Ross, a drummer from Detroit of just super thunder.

01:25:21.000 And when I played that song, I cried through the whole thing.

01:25:24.000 I was completely out of control because Fred had died and my mom had died.

01:25:28.000 And that pattern had a life of its own.

01:25:34.000 I didn't play it.

01:25:35.000 I facilitated it.

01:25:37.000 But Michael and Gunnar immediately grasped my emotion for Fred and what the song meant.

01:25:45.000 And what you hear on the song that The Navy Seals play when they come home with flag-draped coffins and people bury their children or have an anniversary.

01:25:56.000 The song, every day I get people testifying what the song Fred Bear means to them.

01:26:02.000 Just so emotional, so powerful.

01:26:05.000 Well, this morning Gunnar Ross died, my drummer on Fred Bear, 67 years old, and he died this morning.

01:26:15.000 And that moment when he embraced my pain and love for Fred, the pain of the loss, just a smart-ass Detroit drummer monster, but my people,

01:26:31.000 they They own the spirit of every song that we play.

01:26:37.000 They become one with it.

01:26:39.000 And Gunner did that day and it was take one.

01:26:42.000 I played it for him and then we pushed the record button at Pearl Sound in Canton, Michigan.

01:26:50.000 And Gunner and Michael I loved Fred.

01:26:56.000 They didn't know who Fred was, but they knew what it meant to me, and they put their heart and soul into that performance, and Gunner just died this morning at 67. Will you tell everybody who Fred Bear was?

01:27:09.000 Because there's a lot of people listening to us that don't have any idea who that guy is.

01:27:11.000 Fred Bear is the essence of American entrepreneurial man in the arena in the swirling dust of the Industrial Revolution, born in Pennsylvania in 1906 or thereabouts.

01:27:28.000 And was a hunter, farmer, trapper.

01:27:32.000 You know, lived on the land.

01:27:34.000 And he moved to Detroit during the Industrial Revolution to be a wood carver for the FOMOCO, Ford Motor Company, making cabinets for the radios and the dashboards and the woodies, the vehicles.

01:27:49.000 And he had become so proficient with the.30-30 that he was looking for more of a challenge.

01:27:54.000 If he saw a deer with his.30-30, he'd kill it.

01:27:57.000 He'd learn stealth. 1.00

01:27:58.000 You'd get within 100 yards with an open-sight rifle, you should be able to kill it. 0.99

01:28:02.000 And that's great. 0.98

01:28:03.000 That's how you get venison.

01:28:04.000 But he was looking for something else.

01:28:06.000 So he started making his own bows in the 1920s.

01:28:36.000 Is going to make a good bow and then know what the resistance and the flexibility of those wood limbs will produce what they call cast, how it would cast an arrow.

01:28:50.000 It's quite an art form.

01:28:52.000 And so Fred Bear and Nels Grumley had a little shop in Detroit, and when they weren't making cabinets for their business, the FOMOCO and the radio industry, he was making his own bows, he and Nels.

01:29:05.000 And it was catching on a little bit, but then up in Oroville, California, I think in 1908 maybe, they found an Indian cowering in a corral.

01:29:17.000 And they determined that this was from the Yanni, Y-A-N-I, the Yanni Indian tribe.

01:29:23.000 And back then, if you killed one of them, you'd get 25 bucks.

01:29:27.000 What year was this? 0.63

01:29:29.000 Northern California, 1908, maybe? 0.94

01:29:34.000 You could get $25 if you killed an Indian in 1908? 0.98

01:29:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:38.000 Jesus.

01:29:39.000 Jesus.

01:29:40.000 Maybe they should have wrote some blues songs. 1.00

01:29:43.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:29:44.000 So anyhow, so instead of killing this guy, they determined that his name was Ishii, and they wanted to study him. 0.99

01:29:51.000 He's the last survivor of the Yanni tribe, Northern California, Oroville.

01:29:56.000 I just heard a story in Oroville, California this morning on the radio.

01:30:00.000 And I said to Rocco and Shemaine, I go, that's where they found Ishii.

01:30:03.000 So this guy Ishii, his whole life was based on the bow and arrow.

01:30:09.000 Getting close to game, taking a freezing river bath before the hunt to deserve an encounter with the beast that would provide life, food, clothing, shelter, tools, medicine, weapons, spirit, deep into the spiritual realm.

01:30:27.000 And so the sheriff's department put him in a jail and they said, let's call some anthropologist or one of these scientist guys.

01:30:36.000 So they called a guy named Saxton Pope.

01:30:40.000 Of Pope and Young?

01:30:41.000 Yeah, Saxton Pope.

01:30:43.000 So Saxton Pope came down and tried to figure out what tribe and language and started communicating with Ishii, and then he called his buddy, Art Young, who was also a professor, I believe.

01:30:55.000 I'm probably getting some of the details a little misconstrued here, but this was the proceedings that took place.

01:31:01.000 And so they were so fascinated, they took Ishii out into his native lands in Northern California, And he showed them how their life pivoted on effective bow hunting.

01:31:15.000 And so Saxton and Pope became fascinated—how could you not?—as their world was developing better ballistics for longer-range killing.

01:31:25.000 Pope and Young went, yeah, this is fascinating, trying to get close to that Columbia blacktail with a sharp stick. 1.00

01:31:32.000 I gotta try that shit. 1.00

01:31:33.000 Because there was already this maniac movement of sophistication, so they called it, away from the land and to be more cidified and more educated and have other people kill your shit for you. 1.00

01:31:46.000 But they discovered there was something powerful about Ishii. 0.99

01:31:49.000 Well, Ishii eventually died from white man's germs, as so many did. 0.96

01:31:57.000 But Saxon Pope became dedicated to the bow hunting lifestyle.

01:32:03.000 And they went on to go bow hunting in Yosemite and Yellowstone, went to Africa and hunted and filmed it all.

01:32:10.000 And so meanwhile, Fred Bear and Howard Hill in California and Ben Pearson down in Arkansas were fancying bow hunting as a little sideline fun thing.

01:32:23.000 Well, back then, the only vehicle of promotion for any given entity or endeavor were newsreels.

01:32:31.000 And they don't go to the theater and play a newsreel on a trip to the Arctic in a boat or how to build a canoe.

01:32:38.000 Well, Saxon Pope and Art Young created newsreels about this fascinating rediscovery of the mystical flight of the arrow and how to kill game with it.

01:32:49.000 Real primitive, real...

01:32:50.000 Port Orford cedar shafts that they'd have to heat up to straighten out by the eye, how to cut turkey feathers to fletch with a helical to steer the air.

01:33:01.000 What were they using for broadheads? 1.00

01:33:03.000 Back then, they made their own out of just raw stock steel.

01:33:09.000 Eventually, Fred Baer made his own, the Razorhead, which became most popular.

01:33:13.000 And in Michigan, there was one called the MA3 and the MA2 and the Bodkin, all of which I still own.

01:33:20.000 Fred Baer saw that there was a newsreel coming to the Detroit Theater in downtown Detroit.

01:33:25.000 This is 30s.

01:33:27.000 And this is fascinating.

01:33:29.000 It is fascinating.

01:33:30.000 See, I got this right from Fred.

01:33:33.000 Wow.

01:33:34.000 Wow.

01:33:36.000 Wallow bask in the glow.

01:33:38.000 And so Fred said, well, this guy's got a newsreel, Hunting with the Bow and Arrow.

01:33:43.000 Let's go check this out.

01:33:45.000 Can you watch that anywhere?

01:33:47.000 I think so.

01:33:49.000 Hunting with the Bow and Arrow.

01:33:50.000 Yes.

01:33:50.000 Saxton Pope, Art Young.

01:33:52.000 What year is it from?

01:33:53.000 1930s.

01:33:55.000 Jamie's going to find it.

01:33:56.000 And the book they wrote, Hunting with the Bow and Arrow, they both wrote that.

01:34:00.000 Anyhow, so I'm not even born yet.

01:34:03.000 Les Paul hasn't even electrified the guitar yet, but my dad came back from World War II, and Fred Bear already had enough influence in Michigan that my dad became a bow hunter, and I still have his bow from 1945. So Fred Bear from working for the Ford Motor Company and then starting becoming a bowhunter had influenced so many people that young men in that area were taking up bowhunting for the first time.

01:34:30.000 Yes.

01:34:31.000 Wow.

01:34:31.000 My dad was one of them.

01:34:32.000 Was anybody bowhunting in the country other than that?

01:34:38.000 Or was it extremely rare?

01:34:39.000 No.

01:34:40.000 Let me see if I remember the name.

01:34:42.000 Roy Case.

01:34:43.000 How do I remember these names?

01:34:45.000 Roy Case in Wisconsin.

01:34:47.000 Fred Barron, Michigan.

01:34:49.000 George Nichols in Michigan, owner of Jackson Archery, who Fred contracted to build Fred's Arrows because Fred was experimenting with the lamination invention of laminating thin sheets of foam.

01:35:03.000 From fiberglass to thin sheets of woods to build up that beautiful recurve artwork.

01:35:11.000 And it increased the cast.

01:35:13.000 That's how they identified the delivery of an arrow.

01:35:17.000 It was the cast.

01:35:18.000 How well a bow of certain wood would cast an arrow.

01:35:23.000 Did they weigh their arrows back then?

01:35:25.000 They did.

01:35:25.000 Typically 600 grain Port Orford cedar with 140 grain Or even heavier Bodkins, I think, were 180 grains.

01:35:34.000 MA2s, MA3s were 150s.

01:35:37.000 And how'd they keep their arils within that range?

01:35:40.000 Especially with the wood.

01:35:42.000 I would imagine it varies quite a bit, right?

01:35:44.000 Select.

01:35:44.000 That's why they used Port Orford cedar, because it was controllable.

01:35:48.000 And it had a grain conducive to straightness, even though effort had to be applied to perfectly straighten them, though never perfect. 0.99

01:35:58.000 So anyhow, so Fred now, he's so enamored, he saw the Pope in a young video and he goes, holy shit, to hell with FOMOCO, man. 0.99

01:36:05.000 Let's build bows and arrows. 0.99

01:36:07.000 So he moved from Detroit to Grayling, Michigan, up in the middle of the state, up in the north country, where the only deer were.

01:36:13.000 There were no deer south of Clare.

01:36:15.000 All the deer were north because after they cut down every tree in Michigan except for the Hartwick Pines, land of the Kirtland's warbler.

01:36:25.000 I got all this.

01:36:27.000 I register all this information.

01:36:29.000 So after the denuding of the Michigan forest, I mean, white pines as big around as this room, Joe.

01:36:38.000 You see their stumps today.

01:36:42.000 And these guys cut the entire state down with hand saws.

01:36:45.000 But shockingly, not so much if you know a little bit about botany, what does that do?

01:36:52.000 It lets the sunlight hit the ground and the habitat exploded to such supportability, such sustainability for wildlife that animals can only use what they can reach.

01:37:05.000 And now this explosion of low growth provided sanctuary, shelter, thermal cover during the severe Michigan winters, and escape.

01:37:15.000 And so the deer herd exploded in the 1950s.

01:37:20.000 So Fred's up there.

01:37:21.000 So now I'm born in 48. My dad's already a bow hunter and every kid in Detroit, every kid in America was fascinated with the bow and arrow.

01:37:30.000 I live right next to the Rouge River.

01:37:32.000 I was in Detroit, but right next to the Rouge River.

01:37:34.000 All industry came by waterways for transportation of goods.

01:37:39.000 And so even I didn't know who Fred Bear was.

01:37:42.000 I just knew that my dad would shoot his bow, and every kid got a little kid's bow.

01:37:46.000 And I probably shot stuffed animals with, you know, suction cup arrows in the living room by the time I was two.

01:37:52.000 And according to my parents, I was a high-energy maniac.

01:37:56.000 Borderline dangerous.

01:37:57.000 But I always shot my bow and arrow, so by the time I'm four or five, we're going north every year in the Ford Country Squire station wagon with our bows and arrows, and we'd stop in this town called Grayling and go to this little cinder block shack that said Bear Archery over the front.

01:38:14.000 I still didn't know what was going on.

01:38:15.000 I just knew that I loved bows and arrows, but in this little shack in Grayling, Michigan, We're lots of bows and arrows, and this tall, lanky guy named Fred Bear, who my dad would bullshit with, we'd go to the Graylin' restaurant and have chocolate milk and cherry pie, and by the time I was seven or eight, it registered.

01:38:32.000 Holy, this is the guy in the cover of True Magazine with a polar bearer? 0.68

01:38:37.000 This is a guy, an American sportsman, eventually, with Kurt Gowdy shooting moose and caribou and hunting with the Maharaji and shooting chittle deer and nil guy on the estate of the Indian ruler. 0.93

01:38:55.000 And I'm fascinated.

01:38:57.000 So now this is my Chuck Berry of bow hunting.

01:38:59.000 I was already gung-ho guitar, gung-ho bows and arrows.

01:39:01.000 We all got Daisy Red Ryder BB guns.

01:39:03.000 We all made our own slingshots.

01:39:05.000 I started out with bows and arrows.

01:39:06.000 I made myself out of reeds and saplings along the Rouge River.

01:39:11.000 So just a natural inclination.

01:39:13.000 Projectiles.

01:39:14.000 They've always fascinated mankind.

01:39:16.000 How can you control the projectile?

01:39:18.000 How good of a marksman can you be?

01:39:19.000 I was put in charge of sparrow control with my Daisy Red Ryder BB gun in my garage because the sparrows were shitting on the country squire station wagon window, so I would kill the sparrows in the garage.

01:39:31.000 So I was deep into shooting. 0.98

01:39:33.000 And so I met this Fred Bear guy, and eventually I realized that's Fred fucking Bear. 0.97

01:39:37.000 Well, he was funny, kind, big, tall, six foot six something, lanky, and just a natural killer. 0.97

01:39:45.000 It's a natural, stealthy, sneaky bowhunter.

01:39:52.000 Real slow talking, not to be confused with me, and real easy going, which makes for a great bow hunter.

01:39:59.000 What's John's name that you...

01:40:00.000 Dudley?

01:40:01.000 Yes.

01:40:02.000 It's a perfect example of a dangerous bow hunter.

01:40:04.000 Because old John is just so naturally relaxed that...

01:40:11.000 Am I right?

01:40:12.000 He's very relaxed.

01:40:14.000 I'm not.

01:40:14.000 So I have to turn the corner before I go bullhunting.

01:40:18.000 So anyhow, so Fred Bear invited me into his life.

01:40:21.000 And from this little shack, my dad was transferred.

01:40:24.000 Every year, I couldn't wait to stop in Grayley and meet old Fred.

01:40:28.000 Every year we'd stop there, and most years he was there.

01:40:31.000 For the opening October 1st Michigan bow season, which is why Michigan is the number one bowhunting state in America to this day, because of Fred Bear's influence.

01:40:40.000 So I fell in love with Fred Bear as a mentor, as a hero, and he welcomed me into his life wholeheartedly, even though he told me that his buddies, I don't know about this rock and roll guy, sex, drugs, and rock and roll, I don't know if you want to associate with Nugent.

01:40:52.000 You were a long-haired fellow back then, too. 0.95

01:40:54.000 Long-haired, hippie-looking dirt dog. 0.89

01:40:56.000 But his buddies, Fred told me, he says, no, my buddies said, no, no. 0.95

01:41:01.000 Nugent, I've heard him on the radio.

01:41:02.000 All he does is promote clean and sober.

01:41:04.000 All he does is promote the mystical flight of the arrow and being one with your projectile management.

01:41:10.000 And this guy's high energy and is getting bow hunting promotion to people who will never hear of you.

01:41:17.000 And Fred Bear actually said every sporting event he went to, everybody under 40 always asked him, do you know Ted Nugent?

01:41:24.000 Because I'd shoot my bow on stage every concert with the Amboy Dukes.

01:41:27.000 I'd always promote hunting.

01:41:29.000 Every interview was supposed to be about a new record.

01:41:31.000 I'd promote my weekend with my mom and dad hunting with a bow and arrow.

01:41:34.000 So I was constantly countering the animal rights lie by promoting conservation, especially the discipline of archery.

01:41:45.000 And so Fred embraced me.

01:41:46.000 Long story short, and I can keep you here for 100 days, in 1987, I did my annual hunt with Fred.

01:41:55.000 I'd go every year up to a place called Grouse Haven up in Rose City, Michigan, the gateway to the North Country.

01:42:01.000 And we'd be around the campfire and around the fireplace with just all the old guys. 0.99

01:42:09.000 Bob Munger, who we went to Africa with so many times and all his buddies, and I just sit around the campfire just sponging the stories from these guys because they were pioneers of the new bow hunting challenge versus what Roy Weatherby was developing.

01:42:25.000 You kill a deer at four or five, six hundred thousand yards, which is a discipline unto itself.

01:42:29.000 That's marksmanship.

01:42:31.000 If you dedicate yourself.

01:42:32.000 But bow hunters were looking for something more challenging, more difficult, and more spiritual in understanding your relationship with the animal that the Native Americans always proclaimed, rightly so, that if you dedicate yourself to conscientious, 1.00

01:42:49.000 stealth, reasoning predator, that the Great Spirit will provide a shot at the game.

01:42:56.000 Which means if you dedicate yourself, you can earn that shot.

01:43:02.000 Powerful lesson in the industrial explosion to go back to a primal scream.

01:43:10.000 So then in April of 88, after our last hunt in 87, and Fred, I didn't even go hunting.

01:43:18.000 I just stayed with Fred because he was on an oxygen tank.

01:43:21.000 He carried it around.

01:43:22.000 I just hung out with Fred, very emotional, because he was so powerful in all of our lives.

01:43:28.000 He's a huge force.

01:43:31.000 And he told me to keep doing what I do, promoting hunting in a rock and roll way, because he got the word out to people who would never hear it at the SHOT Show.

01:43:41.000 And then that next April he died.

01:43:44.000 And it was a force wave of heartbreak.

01:43:52.000 He meant so much to so many people.

01:43:55.000 And so one morning I was going out to do my chores.

01:44:00.000 Like I do every morning, but instead I stopped and I came in the house and that song happened.

01:44:09.000 Wow.

01:44:10.000 Wow.

01:44:11.000 And I called my guys, Gunnar Ross, who died today, and I said, Mike, get a studio if something's happening.

01:44:19.000 And my guys know how serious I am.

01:44:21.000 He goes, it's not like he's going, well, what's happening, man?

01:44:24.000 He said, okay, hang on, I'll get a studio.

01:44:26.000 So we got in a studio and recorded that song.

01:44:29.000 And it's so powerful in people's lives.

01:44:35.000 Did you find that Pope and Young video?

01:44:38.000 This is the best I could find.

01:44:40.000 Let's see it.

01:44:42.000 1926 Grizzly.

01:44:44.000 How'd you do that?

01:44:45.000 This is awesome.

01:44:46.000 Wow.

01:44:47.000 1926 Grizzly.

01:44:48.000 You gotta be kidding me.

01:44:49.000 Can't be sound on it, but...

01:44:50.000 Watch him.

01:44:51.000 There he is.

01:44:51.000 Look at his hat.

01:44:52.000 That's Saxton Pope right there, I think.

01:44:54.000 A gentleman's hat.

01:44:56.000 Look at the quiver tucked under his armpit. 1.00

01:44:58.000 By the way, what kind of balls do you have to hunt a fucking bear with a recurve in the 1920s? 1.00

01:45:04.000 And look at those bears getting up to try to find out what the hell he is. 1.00

01:45:08.000 Watch him.

01:45:10.000 He missed.

01:45:12.000 Oh, no.

01:45:15.000 The bear's like, we're getting the fuck out of here. 0.88

01:45:18.000 There he got him in the second arrow. 0.92

01:45:20.000 Wow.

01:45:22.000 Look how long the arrows are. 1.00

01:45:23.000 Yeah, you gotta have T-Rex scrotum to take that shit on. 0.99

01:45:28.000 Yeah, I mean, look at the boots. 1.00

01:45:30.000 Look at the clothes.

01:45:31.000 1920s.

01:45:32.000 Is that awesome?

01:45:33.000 There's a big close-up on the arrow here.

01:45:34.000 It's crazy.

01:45:35.000 That was even before me, Joe.

01:45:37.000 This is wild that they were interested in doing that.

01:45:40.000 They were interested in bow hunting. 1.00

01:45:43.000 Look at the fucking arrow. 1.00

01:45:44.000 Wow, that is wild. 1.00

01:45:48.000 That's wild.

01:45:50.000 Yep.

01:45:51.000 1926. See if you can find any Fred Bear footage.

01:45:54.000 There's a lot of that on there.

01:45:56.000 There's a lot of that on there.

01:45:58.000 See if you can find Fred Bear hunting moose.

01:46:00.000 I've seen that video.

01:46:02.000 So I got to play bass for Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley.

01:46:07.000 I got to bow hunt with Fred Bear.

01:46:09.000 That's pretty awesome.

01:46:10.000 I went around the Indy track in a Roush Mustang with Parnelli Jones at the wheel.

01:46:15.000 I was trained on off-road racing by Mickey Thompson and Roger Mears.

01:46:18.000 There he is.

01:46:19.000 And Ivan Ironman.

01:46:20.000 There's Fred!

01:46:21.000 I like how he's putting stuff on his face.

01:46:23.000 He's camouflaging his face with his flannel shirt on.

01:46:26.000 He's got sticks in his hat.

01:46:28.000 The old school hat.

01:46:31.000 Do you ever hunt with a hat like that?

01:46:32.000 I have not.

01:46:34.000 I have put vegetation in my hat, emulating old Fred.

01:46:37.000 So it seems like he's got a camo.

01:46:41.000 That's a stag, huh?

01:46:42.000 Or a caribou.

01:46:43.000 It seems like he's got some kind of camo on, right?

01:46:48.000 No, that's just a Pendleton plaid shirt.

01:46:52.000 But he put something on over the plaid shirt.

01:46:55.000 Okay, that is just a plaid shirt.

01:46:57.000 When we started, there was no camo.

01:46:59.000 You wore military camo, and then eventually mossy oak.

01:47:01.000 Now I wear mossy oak, and there's all kinds of camo out there.

01:47:04.000 Were they the first guys to come out with camo for hunters?

01:47:07.000 I think Grumly...

01:47:10.000 See, is that not camo he's wearing?

01:47:12.000 Because look at his pants. 0.99

01:47:13.000 Pants?

01:47:13.000 Looks like woodland camo, yeah.

01:47:16.000 There's some camo.

01:47:17.000 So he had some kind of camo on back then.

01:47:20.000 This is probably in the 50s.

01:47:22.000 Yeah, and look at this.

01:47:23.000 He's got a quiver mounted to the side of his bow, too.

01:47:25.000 He invented that.

01:47:26.000 He invented that.

01:47:27.000 And is bear archery, is that from him?

01:47:30.000 Yeah, he started it, yeah.

01:47:33.000 Wow.

01:47:33.000 Let me emphasize this to all your listeners.

01:47:37.000 All of Joe Rogan's listeners, please take heed.

01:47:42.000 If you want to find the beast of your spirit, and when I say beast, I mean the best of the best of you, get a bow and arrow.

01:47:54.000 Find a bow that is comfortable and graceful.

01:47:59.000 Even if it's in your living room at 10 feet with the proper backstop—I train my children—do not underestimate the power of spiritual growth available just by— Getting Mr. Left Hand to be one with Mr. Right Hand as guided by the oneness of Mr. Brain and Mr. Eyeball and see if you can put the arrow of your life in the spot

01:48:30.000 of your...

01:48:35.000 I swear to God, Joe, I don't care if you're a cop or a teacher or a butcher or a mechanic or a plumber or a carpenter or a radio dude, I don't care what you do in life.

01:48:46.000 Whatever point you're at today, within a few days, Of really discovering your arrow control.

01:48:55.000 Whatever you pursue, you will be better at incrementally as you become one with the mystical flight of your arrow, especially young people.

01:49:08.000 I think it's an amazing form of meditation because it's so difficult to do.

01:49:12.000 I can't find a better one.

01:49:14.000 Yeah.

01:49:14.000 It's so difficult to do.

01:49:16.000 And you don't have to even hunt.

01:49:18.000 Just shoot at a target.

01:49:19.000 Yes. 0.98

01:49:19.000 Find a bullseye. 0.98

01:49:20.000 Find the bullseye of your life.

01:49:23.000 But you should hunt.

01:49:24.000 You should hunt.

01:49:25.000 It's so difficult.

01:49:26.000 And people don't realize how difficult it is to have perfect form in archery and how to execute a perfect shot. 0.99

01:49:32.000 Especially in the field under hunting conditions because form goes to shit. 0.96

01:49:36.000 It's not the Olympic range, but you have to discover how you can control, manipulate... 0.98

01:49:42.000 Manage that form in an awkward field position so that from the waist to the face, from your waist to the face, you can control your form no matter how awkward the position may be.

01:49:55.000 And that's the trick to consistent accuracy with a bow and arrow.

01:49:58.000 And it doesn't matter whether it's a compound or a long bow or an old recurve bow. 0.99

01:50:03.000 To become consistently efficient with an old-fashioned long or recurve bow is one of the most joyous, fulfilling, gratifying accomplishments in life because it's a bitch. 0.99

01:50:19.000 Yeah, it's a lot harder, right, with a recurve or a longbow, any kind of traditional archery bow, a lot harder to be more accurate.

01:50:25.000 But it's also, there's something about the satisfaction of being accurate that's even more accentuated, right?

01:50:31.000 Sure.

01:50:31.000 It is accentuated, no doubt about it.

01:50:33.000 And I'm not dismissing, I shoot a compound 99% of the time.

01:50:37.000 I shoot a Matthews that's lightweight, 50 pounds, it's graceful, it feels like a recurve because I'm at full draw under, you know, graceful conditions.

01:50:48.000 And I know that Cameron and you shoot heavy bows because you're strong, but archery has to be graceful.

01:50:56.000 It's not weightlifting.

01:50:58.000 It's stealth and grace.

01:51:01.000 You need to find a bow that is easy to draw, easy to come to full draw and make sure that your full draw stops at your face, not back here.

01:51:10.000 If it's too long of a draw, especially the compound because it has a let off, and if it's let off too far back, you'll never have form because it's supposed to be hand-eye coordination.

01:51:19.000 And if you're anchoring back here, your eye is out of the equation now.

01:51:23.000 So in Texas, there's a lot of great archery shops all across America.

01:51:28.000 Shout out to Archery Country right here in Austin.

01:51:31.000 What's the name of it?

01:51:31.000 Archery Country.

01:51:32.000 Archery Country.

01:51:33.000 It's a great shop, a really great shop.

01:51:36.000 Matthews was the first to come up with a compound, right?

01:51:39.000 No.

01:51:39.000 Was it?

01:51:40.000 No.

01:51:41.000 Allen.

01:51:42.000 The Allen compound.

01:51:44.000 From Allen Archery, like the guys who make still stuff today?

01:51:47.000 I don't know.

01:51:50.000 Allen.

01:51:50.000 And my first one was, geez, why can't I remember?

01:51:55.000 I bought it in 1977. Anyhow.

01:51:59.000 I thought it was Matthews that had the patent.

01:52:01.000 No.

01:52:01.000 There it is.

01:52:02.000 The compound bow was developed in 1966 by Horace Wilbur Allen in northern Kansas.

01:52:07.000 I guess I got that right.

01:52:08.000 North Kansas City, Missouri.

01:52:09.000 A U.S. patent was granted in 1969. The compound bow has become increasingly popular.

01:52:14.000 What is that, Wikipedia? 0.96

01:52:15.000 Get the fuck out of here, Wikipedia. 0.99

01:52:17.000 Wow, look at that. 1.00

01:52:18.000 Look at his first bow.

01:52:19.000 Look at that.

01:52:20.000 That's wild.

01:52:22.000 Yeah.

01:52:22.000 Look at that photo.

01:52:23.000 That thing's crazy looking.

01:52:25.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 That's just engineering ingenuity, you know? 1.00

01:52:28.000 That fella got no pussy. 1.00

01:52:30.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:52:31.000 Just sitting around shooting bows and arrows all day, obsessed.

01:52:35.000 There they are.

01:52:36.000 Look at them.

01:52:37.000 Beautiful.

01:52:38.000 Isn't it amazing how things come out of obsession?

01:52:41.000 Like, just look at that guy's face while he's holding that bow.

01:52:43.000 Go back to that picture.

01:52:44.000 That guy had probably been working on that thing.

01:52:46.000 It had probably been in his head for years.

01:52:49.000 Look how he made it out of wood.

01:52:51.000 But what Matt McPherson of Matthews has done is he's taken engineering to a mad scientist level where the finite measurements of the wheels and the cams,

01:53:08.000 they're so efficient.

01:53:10.000 They are so capable now.

01:53:11.000 It's just incredible that anybody figured this out, that this guy figured this out in 1966. When you look at that bow right there that he's got in his hand...

01:53:19.000 Like, look how crazy that contraption is with all those strings and pullies and reels.

01:53:23.000 We all hated it.

01:53:24.000 When they first came out, we all went, what is this?

01:53:26.000 That's not a bow! 0.98

01:53:27.000 And everybody shot it with fingers and shot it instinctive.

01:53:30.000 You shot instinctive with a compound bow forever, right?

01:53:34.000 12 years ago, yeah.

01:53:35.000 12 years ago.

01:53:35.000 Wow.

01:53:37.000 And so you brought the bow, the arrow up to your eye, like eyesight?

01:53:41.000 Not necessarily.

01:53:42.000 I did have it.

01:53:43.000 I used three fingers under what they call the Apache draw. 1.00

01:53:46.000 So it was closer to my eye than it was to my corner of my mouth, like I started.

01:53:50.000 I used the split finger when I started.

01:53:52.000 And you see a gap when you do it that way.

01:53:54.000 Can't the bow, like Fred Bear and everybody did, the can to the side to open up that...

01:54:00.000 And you see the arrow under you, and you know that it's going to be rising to come to your eye level, just like a bullet rises to the scope.

01:54:08.000 And you learn what those gaps are, different yardages.

01:54:11.000 And I got to tell you, when I was a kid, I wish I could shoot today like I did when I was a kid.

01:54:17.000 I couldn't miss.

01:54:19.000 I don't care if it was a flying bird or a running squirrel.

01:54:24.000 Just a natural, no baggage, no psychological considerations.

01:54:28.000 Like the samurai warrior said to Tom Cruise when he couldn't quite master the samurai, he went, Too many minds.

01:54:36.000 You can't think about some things.

01:54:39.000 You don't think about a 90-yard pass.

01:54:42.000 I'm not a football fan, but you have to instinctively know what this thrust is to that guy's running and when it will coincide with the receiver.

01:54:50.000 It's a thing with training.

01:54:52.000 I mean, that is the number one thing about martial arts is that you execute based on your training.

01:54:57.000 You don't even think about it.

01:54:59.000 Not just muscle memory, but spirit memory.

01:55:02.000 I use the term samurai a lot, and I use the term out of body a lot.

01:55:09.000 I think archery is a martial art.

01:55:11.000 No question about it.

01:55:12.000 Yeah, it really is.

01:55:13.000 I think guitar playing is a martial art.

01:55:16.000 The way you do it.

01:55:17.000 I really do believe that.

01:55:19.000 I don't write songs.

01:55:22.000 I don't...

01:55:24.000 Contemplate patterns.

01:55:25.000 I pick up the guitar and things happen based on where I am emotionally, spiritually, cocky, defiantly, easygoing, not easygoing, and those patterns.

01:55:41.000 The new record, I can't rave enough about Detroit Muscle.

01:55:44.000 The songs, there's an instrumental, it's called Winter Spring Summer Fall.

01:55:51.000 And I'm notorious for instrumentals that have beautiful melodies that grow.

01:55:57.000 Like a song called Earth Tone goes...

01:56:00.000 It's just beautiful.

01:56:24.000 I recognize that from the Spirit of the Wild TV show.

01:56:29.000 And the new album has one called Winter Spring Summer Fall.

01:56:32.000 And just listen to this pattern.

01:56:34.000 One day I got up, like I do every day, and I went...

01:56:58.000 .

01:57:03.000 .

01:57:37.000 It's where you are.

01:57:38.000 And if you can express sonically and malevolously I make a statement, and I hunt every day.

01:57:49.000 I do chores every day.

01:57:50.000 I plant trees, or I fill feeders, or I work on fences.

01:57:53.000 So I have dirt in my hands all the time.

01:57:57.000 And when I sit down, I didn't sit down and go, hey, a neat title for a song would be Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall.

01:58:03.000 What would that sound like?

01:58:04.000 No, I just play.

01:58:05.000 And after I played it, I realized that I'm playing My life in a year, winter, spring, summer, fall.

01:58:15.000 What do I do in the winter?

01:58:16.000 I'm continuing to harvest because come spring there's going to be regrowth and planting.

01:58:21.000 Summer, ideal conditions for the growth of that spring planting.

01:58:25.000 Fall, harvest.

01:58:28.000 So if ever there was an organic musical consciousness, it's me.

01:58:35.000 Can I ask you again about why did you switch from using instinctive with fingers to using a release and a sight?

01:58:44.000 Old man's eyeballs.

01:58:46.000 I started missing.

01:58:49.000 My buddy Brian Shootback, just a guru of archery, runs a little – actually quite a sporting goods store in Jackson, Michigan.

01:58:57.000 Shootback Sporting Goods.

01:58:59.000 People come from hundreds of miles to let Brian and his team set up their bows because they're – dedicated archery craftsman engineers, because on a compound bow, it really is a mechanical beast.

01:59:16.000 And everything has to be timed really specifically.

01:59:20.000 The wheels, the cams, the tiller between the limbs and the string, the way the cables connect, where the arrow comes out, where the rest allows the arrow to come out straight. 0.98

01:59:31.000 And so Brian Shupak, I would call him and say, I missed a fucking buck this morning again. 0.96

01:59:38.000 He goes, let me set you up a bow with a peep sight. 0.99

01:59:41.000 I go, nah, I can't do that.

01:59:42.000 He goes, I'm setting you one up.

01:59:45.000 Just use it!

01:59:46.000 So he set it up.

01:59:48.000 A peep sight but no housing?

01:59:51.000 No, actually it had a peep and a pin.

01:59:53.000 Oh, it had one pin.

01:59:54.000 And it had a loop and a release.

01:59:57.000 The whole modern...

01:59:58.000 You'd never use a loop before then.

02:00:00.000 So you'd been hunting for how long without a D-loop? 0.99

02:00:04.000 50 years.

02:00:06.000 50 years.

02:00:08.000 How apprehensive were you to try to switch over and change?

02:00:12.000 I respect Brian, and I was really...

02:00:17.000 I'm frustrated slash angry at making bad shots.

02:00:20.000 Not all the time, but enough to piss me off.

02:00:23.000 Because to get a close range encounter on a Michigan whitetail is one of the most impossible tasks under the sun.

02:00:29.000 These animals are born looking for guitar players and trees.

02:00:34.000 They're twitchy.

02:00:35.000 They're so spooky.

02:00:36.000 Whitetails are so smart. 0.82

02:00:37.000 Especially the Michigan ones, because they've been hunting since they were born.

02:00:41.000 Anyhow, so I respected Brian's recommendation, but it was difficult for me, because instead of the smoothness of looking at my target and coming up muscle memory, let go now, I'd have to find the pin in the peep and hang on for a second,

02:00:58.000 which is really contrary to my shooting system.

02:01:04.000 But within a couple days, I stuck with it, and boy, I was zapping them right in there, because once that pin and that peep is there, if you can control Mr. Right Hand and Mr. Trigger Finger, like a rifle shot.

02:01:16.000 Right.

02:01:18.000 Breathing, sight acquisition, pin in the peep, on the spot, okay, do it. 0.99

02:01:26.000 Did you ever fuck around with hinges?

02:01:28.000 Did you ever use back tension releases or anything? 0.99

02:01:31.000 I have.

02:01:32.000 Yeah?

02:01:32.000 Couldn't do it.

02:01:33.000 Why couldn't you do it?

02:01:35.000 I'm here to admit Joe Rogan live on the Joe Rogan podcast experience.

02:01:39.000 I, Ted Nugent, have target panic.

02:01:42.000 A lot of people do.

02:01:43.000 I have it, but I manage it with that right hand thing.

02:01:47.000 Mr. Right Hand, when I draw down on a target or a deer, I think, first of all, I have an orange square on every target.

02:01:54.000 I have a Dayglo orange tape on all my 3D targets.

02:01:58.000 I shoot out to 60 yards.

02:02:00.000 And I have my pins set accordingly.

02:02:03.000 And as I draw it down, I have an orange tape on my bow.

02:02:07.000 So it reminds me...

02:02:09.000 Orange tape.

02:02:10.000 Okay, we're just going for the orange tape.

02:02:12.000 It's not a buck, it's not a target, it's not a bullseye.

02:02:14.000 Okay, orange tape, he missed a right hand.

02:02:16.000 Remember, it's all about the orange tape.

02:02:19.000 I've actually cured people.

02:02:20.000 Not cured, but helped them manage target panic, which means you freeze off target and in desperation you fling.

02:02:28.000 It's a curse.

02:02:29.000 Most Olympic guys have had, most archers have, get it at one point or another.

02:02:34.000 And so when I shoot now, I shoot various Matthews bows, and they're lightweight, 50 pounds, and I mostly shoot two-blade broadheads.

02:02:44.000 And I go, orange tape on bow?

02:02:45.000 Okay, orange tape.

02:02:46.000 That's right, just orange tape.

02:02:47.000 We're going for the orange tape.

02:02:49.000 It's not that big of a deal.

02:02:50.000 All right, Mr. Right Hand, not yet.

02:02:52.000 Not yet.

02:02:53.000 Not yet.

02:02:54.000 Not yet.

02:02:55.000 Not yet.

02:02:55.000 Okay!

02:02:57.000 And I zapped the shit out of him. 0.99

02:02:59.000 It's just awesome. 0.98

02:03:00.000 But I had to have a diversion reference to orange tape.

02:03:06.000 I swear to God, Joe, when I shot at Buck two days ago...

02:03:10.000 A real buck.

02:03:11.000 A live buck.

02:03:12.000 I saw the orange tape on his crease.

02:03:16.000 Now, did you have any target panic when you were using fingers and you were shooting instinctive?

02:03:22.000 It just became down to the trigger.

02:03:23.000 So beautiful.

02:03:24.000 Have you ever paid attention to, do you know Joel Turner, the Shot IQ system?

02:03:28.000 I don't.

02:03:29.000 Do you know who he is?

02:03:31.000 He's got a really good website and he used to be, I think he still does, he works with SWAT teams and he trains people in the difference between open loop and closed loop thinking. 0.97

02:03:47.000 I always fuck these two up.

02:03:50.000 I believe open loop is like swinging a baseball bat. 1.00

02:03:53.000 Like the ball comes and you swing and at no point in time can you stop it.

02:03:57.000 Like you're just swinging, right?

02:03:59.000 You're not going to check it.

02:04:00.000 But a closed loop is like you're in complete control of every movement through the entire process and you're thinking yourself through it.

02:04:08.000 And what he does is he has like a mantra that he talks you through.

02:04:11.000 And the idea is to keep your mind conscious and to keep yourself from just working on reflexes, just like hitting anxiety and then punching the trigger.

02:04:20.000 Instead of doing that, you work through your shot process and you achieve a surprise shot.

02:04:26.000 And one of the ways you do that is by keeping your mind on a mantra and talking.

02:04:31.000 And I think his...

02:04:34.000 Not yet, Mr. Right Hand, not yet.

02:04:36.000 And then he talks you through the thing that he does, the way he says it.

02:04:43.000 It works.

02:04:44.000 Yeah, I think his is drawback and aim, get it done, watch it to keep it.

02:04:50.000 And the idea of watch it to keep it is, like, follow that arrow.

02:04:53.000 Like, watch, become, you know, like, Remy Warren says, be the arrow.

02:04:57.000 Stay on your form.

02:04:59.000 Until the arrow hits.

02:05:00.000 Yeah.

02:05:01.000 And this idea of keeping that conversation constantly going in your mind keeps your mind on conscious thought rather than going on instinct.

02:05:09.000 And it's helped me tremendously.

02:05:11.000 Good.

02:05:11.000 But one thing that's helped me tremendously is a hinge.

02:05:13.000 I started shooting with a hinge.

02:05:15.000 A hinge.

02:05:16.000 Yeah.

02:05:16.000 In other words, where it won't...

02:05:20.000 Release the arrow until you finish your back tension.

02:05:22.000 Exactly.

02:05:23.000 And I use Dudley's.

02:05:24.000 I use this one called the Too Smooth. 0.93

02:05:26.000 Goddamn, I love this thing. 0.93

02:05:27.000 I'd love to try that. 0.98

02:05:28.000 It's amazing.

02:05:29.000 Hey, John, send me one of them.

02:05:31.000 I'll have him send you one.

02:05:32.000 I wish I'd known.

02:05:33.000 I would have brought one.

02:05:34.000 It's called a hinge.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, the idea is that the release comes from the movement of your hand, right?

02:05:41.000 And there's like a little click.

02:05:43.000 I hear it like when I get to like right here, I'm pulling my fingers back, I hear a little click, and I know all I have to do is just pull with my back muscles and it'll go off.

02:05:51.000 And I have no idea when it's going to go off.

02:05:52.000 But it's going to go off.

02:05:53.000 That's it right there. 1.00

02:05:54.000 I love that damn thing. 0.99

02:05:55.000 And I shot the biggest elk I've ever shot in my life this year with that hinge. 0.99

02:05:58.000 Well, you know, you mentioned the click.

02:06:00.000 There was, back in the old days, during longbow and recurve competition, there was what's called the clicker.

02:06:06.000 Are you aware of that?

02:06:07.000 Yes.

02:06:07.000 Where it goes on the top of the limb, and you come to full draw, but there's little...

02:06:12.000 This little spring steel piece of steel is against the string, and you have to finish your draw with the same back tension, and when you hear that little click come off the string, you let go.

02:06:26.000 Yes.

02:06:26.000 So there's a lot of...

02:06:28.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 Deep psychology to definitive archery.

02:06:33.000 Yes.

02:06:33.000 Yes, there really is.

02:06:34.000 You talk to any Olympic archer, and they'll tell you that...

02:06:40.000 Archery accuracy is 99% mental.

02:06:45.000 Anybody can grab the bow, anybody can hold the string, and anybody can pull it back to discover form.

02:06:51.000 Archery form is critical, especially on the Olympic line, especially when there's an elk out there, especially if it's further than 30 yards.

02:06:58.000 But that form, it's when you execute the shot that is all mental.

02:07:06.000 And especially, ugh!

02:07:09.000 It's a great big one!

02:07:11.000 What the?

02:07:12.000 Yeah.

02:07:13.000 It's like there's no world. 1.00

02:07:15.000 There's only that fucking elk, and you've got to hit them in the crease. 1.00

02:07:20.000 And sometimes people shoot the antlers because that's what they're thinking about. 1.00

02:07:23.000 Which is nuts.

02:07:24.000 Well, I've studied all the shootings, and typically in a shootout between good guys and bad guys, You get this tacky psyche, where the whole world is towards the weapon.

02:07:36.000 And they typically hit the weapon.

02:07:39.000 Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but...

02:07:42.000 Not the best thing.

02:07:43.000 Not the best thing.

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 When you are shooting a target, whether it's an elk or whether it's a target, just a 3D target, are you looking at your pin or are you looking at the spot you want to hit?

02:07:55.000 Looking at the spot I want to hit.

02:07:56.000 Yeah.

02:07:56.000 That's a weird thing too, right?

02:07:57.000 It's different.

02:07:58.000 That's where the old man's eyes...

02:07:59.000 It's also very different than a rifle.

02:08:01.000 Yeah.

02:08:01.000 Right?

02:08:02.000 If you're shooting with a rifle, you want to center that reticle and you just squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, boom!

02:08:07.000 Ultimately, that reticle, and my grandson shot a beautiful doe yesterday with my GA Precision 308 from George Gardner out of Kansas City.

02:08:15.000 He wins all the long-range stuff.

02:08:17.000 He just creates one of the most accurate rifles on the planet.

02:08:20.000 Plus, I got a new one from the U.S. Marine armor that I haven't even shot yet.

02:08:25.000 I'm such a lucky guy.

02:08:26.000 But anyhow, I do a lot of shooting.

02:08:28.000 I do a lot of training every day.

02:08:29.000 I shoot my handguns every day, and I shoot long-range every day.

02:08:33.000 And it is a conflict because on long range, you don't want to waste your time on that little plate.

02:08:41.000 You want to see those crosshairs because the plate's so small at that long range, even with a 24 magnification.

02:08:48.000 So hand-eye coordination, spirit, breathing, sight control, you get a good rest.

02:08:57.000 Obviously, every time with a bow and arrow, you don't get a rest.

02:09:00.000 And this guy, this guy's in charge of your life.

02:09:04.000 That finger.

02:09:05.000 All right, Mr. Right Hand.

02:09:06.000 All right, Mr. Now, here's one thing.

02:09:07.000 You probably like to shoot long-range rifle stuff.

02:09:10.000 Don't pull the trigger anymore with your finger.

02:09:13.000 Get that finger on the trigger.

02:09:15.000 Know when it's going to go off.

02:09:16.000 And wrap that finger on it, just like a release.

02:09:20.000 But squeeze your whole hand.

02:09:24.000 Because when you squeeze your trigger finger, you're actually pulling to the side.

02:09:29.000 It's not coming straight back.

02:09:30.000 You can discover that, but if you squeeze your whole hand, you get your finger on the trigger, and you squeeze your whole hand.

02:09:38.000 That trigger figure is going to come back, and it just seems to work really good for me.

02:09:43.000 You know Lee Likoski, right?

02:09:44.000 I know the name, yeah.

02:09:45.000 Oh yeah, from Lee and Tiffany.

02:09:47.000 Lee and Tiffany. 1.00

02:09:48.000 He's a killer. 1.00

02:09:49.000 He is a killer. 1.00

02:09:51.000 I had a nice long conversation with him in Elk Camp. 0.99

02:09:53.000 We shared Elk Camp this year, and he was telling me that he shoots with a Carter Target 4, and he gets the trigger in his thumb, and he makes a fist.

02:10:04.000 And that's a thumb release.

02:10:06.000 Yeah, it's a thumb release.

02:10:07.000 I use that off and on, too.

02:10:08.000 The thumb goes in the hook of his thumb.

02:10:10.000 That's what he's talking about, the whole hand.

02:10:12.000 Yeah, he doesn't shoot with the thumb.

02:10:14.000 He just makes a fist.

02:10:15.000 And he just practices that so often.

02:10:18.000 And he's been shooting with that same release for 20-plus years.

02:10:21.000 And that's muscle memory and shot sequence management.

02:10:24.000 It's all about shot sequence management.

02:10:26.000 No...

02:10:27.000 Increments of the shot sequence are isolated.

02:10:31.000 They're all relative, with a bow and arrow or a firearm.

02:10:35.000 You have to have a muscle memory, and the only way you achieve that is repetition, repetition, shoot every day.

02:10:41.000 You've got to shoot every day.

02:10:42.000 That's why I mentioned a little while ago, if you get into archway, I don't have any place to shoot.

02:10:46.000 Your living room.

02:10:48.000 Well, you don't expect me to shoot a bow in the living room, do you?

02:10:50.000 Yes, that's where I shoot my bow.

02:10:52.000 I shoot my bow in every hotel on tour every year for the last 50 years.

02:10:57.000 You bring your bow on tour?

02:10:57.000 Yeah.

02:10:58.000 What do you do?

02:10:59.000 Do you put up?

02:11:00.000 I got a little target, a little tiny ball, but it's right there.

02:11:04.000 But what am I practicing?

02:11:06.000 Shot sequence.

02:11:08.000 It doesn't matter whether it's an elk at 40 yards or at a ball at 10 feet.

02:11:12.000 This guy has got to be...

02:11:16.000 Like when you pick up the guitar, I don't have to look where I'm going to play.

02:11:19.000 I know where the strings are, and I know where the frets are, because I do it all the time since about 1949. Same with the bow and arrow.

02:11:28.000 I think it's probably more crucial with the bow and arrow.

02:11:29.000 But as I tell everybody, I'm doing a master class, a rock and roll fantasy camp master class.

02:11:35.000 When is it?

02:11:38.000 December 8th?

02:11:40.000 Anyhow, you booked this masterclass with me and I explained how to express yourself on a guitar.

02:11:48.000 Quite honestly, on anything.

02:11:50.000 Do they transfer over?

02:11:51.000 Like the idea of expressing yourself with a bow and arrow, expressing yourself with a guitar?

02:11:55.000 Same.

02:11:56.000 If you're a great welder, same.

02:11:58.000 A great electrician, same.

02:12:01.000 Speaking of Samurai, Miyamoto Musashi said that.

02:12:04.000 Yes.

02:12:04.000 Once you understand the way broadly, you will see it in all things.

02:12:07.000 Yes, in all things.

02:12:08.000 Now see, I didn't know that, but I knew that.

02:12:11.000 I'm an instinctive guy.

02:12:13.000 My instincts rule my life.

02:12:15.000 They're tuned in.

02:12:17.000 They've walked wild grounds.

02:12:19.000 But you honor those instincts.

02:12:21.000 Like you treat them with respect.

02:12:23.000 I genuflect at the altar of my instinct.

02:12:27.000 And in the hotel room or in your living room, you can do archery.

02:12:31.000 When you first start, you might want to get a big backstop.

02:12:34.000 But my kids learned archery and marksmanship in the living room with Daisy Red Ryder BB guns shooting at clothespins in the fireplace with a bunch of cardboard behind it.

02:12:42.000 Why not?

02:12:45.000 Archery will only be optimized, repetition, repetition, I think anything in life.

02:12:52.000 Guitar for sure, music, all the important things like welding and mechanics.

02:12:58.000 How about mechanics?

02:12:59.000 Don't you just worship great mechanics?

02:13:02.000 I do.

02:13:02.000 I worship these people.

02:13:04.000 I was going to bring my 1970 Chevelle here, but unfortunately...

02:13:08.000 What's under the hood on that?

02:13:10.000 A 454. That's awesome.

02:13:11.000 You saw my fighter jet out there?

02:13:13.000 What do you got out there?

02:13:14.000 I got a brand new...

02:13:15.000 It's just so much fun.

02:13:18.000 Dodge Challenger Hellcat Super Sport Wide Body Red Eye 840 Horse.

02:13:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:24.000 And based on what's in the trunk, it is a fighter jet.

02:13:27.000 I have a Ram TRX. That's what I drove today.

02:13:30.000 That's a great truck.

02:13:31.000 Except it's got a governor on it.

02:13:33.000 It won't go more than 118 miles an hour.

02:13:36.000 Get rid of that! 1.00

02:13:37.000 You gotta get it from Hennessy.

02:13:38.000 That's right.

02:13:39.000 Hennessy changes everything.

02:13:40.000 But I'm a high performer.

02:13:41.000 I love high performance.

02:13:43.000 I do too.

02:13:43.000 I know you do.

02:13:44.000 That's why I was gonna bring it.

02:13:44.000 But I had to go somewhere afterwards and I can't park the Chevelle anywhere.

02:13:47.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 It's like a velvet prison.

02:13:49.000 I can't just leave it somewhere.

02:13:51.000 A 70?

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 And all rebuilt?

02:13:53.000 Oh, everything.

02:13:53.000 Best suspension?

02:13:54.000 Who did it?

02:13:54.000 Roaster shop.

02:13:56.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 Awesome.

02:13:58.000 I got a 74 Bronco that the Texas Metal Maniacs got.

02:14:02.000 I know you do.

02:14:03.000 Yeah, you have a great collection of cars.

02:14:05.000 Your love for Broncos is free.

02:14:07.000 I love horsepower.

02:14:09.000 I have a 72. I got a 66. Completely frame-off rebuild, but stock, except for the improvements, suspension, drivetrain.

02:14:20.000 I got a 74 that the Texas Metal Maniac Gods of Thunder have created for me that is just a snort monster.

02:14:29.000 I got an 82 with 90 body parts that Brian Shupak and Dave Miller...

02:14:35.000 You've got to go for a ride with me in this thing.

02:14:38.000 It's got a Roush Yates 800 horsepower.

02:14:40.000 It's got Curry axles.

02:14:42.000 I could take it to Baja and just crush.

02:14:46.000 It's so powerful.

02:14:47.000 It's so performance.

02:14:51.000 There's something about those American muscle cars, too.

02:14:55.000 American muscle is just the sound.

02:14:57.000 Except the American muscle car from the muscle car era, which I missed out on because I was Tuesday buying station wagons for the Amboy Dukes.

02:15:04.000 I've more than made up for it because the hottest, most powerful muscle car from the muscle car era couldn't touch this fire-breathing Hellcat Redeye.

02:15:15.000 No.

02:15:16.000 Couldn't touch it.

02:15:17.000 Not even close.

02:15:18.000 Not even close.

02:15:18.000 So once I found out that Dodge was producing 700, 800, 840 horses from the factory, I immediately called him and said, I need a couple of these.

02:15:29.000 You know, you're gonna hate this.

02:15:30.000 What can't touch any of these cars is my Tesla.

02:15:34.000 That's what I know.

02:15:35.000 Everybody tells me that.

02:15:36.000 I have a Tesla Model S Plaid, the new one.

02:15:39.000 Jesus Christ.

02:15:40.000 Zero to 100 in four seconds?

02:15:42.000 It's a time machine.

02:15:43.000 It's zero to 120 in four seconds.

02:15:45.000 It's zero to 60 in 1.9.

02:15:48.000 It's a time machine.

02:15:50.000 Like, it doesn't make any sense.

02:15:51.000 Like, when you merge into traffic...

02:15:53.000 I love that part! 1.00

02:15:55.000 It's fucking insanity. 0.99

02:15:56.000 Well, it's like this Hellcat, Redeye, wherever I want to go, I'm there. 1.00

02:16:01.000 They don't even know I'm in town.

02:16:02.000 This thing is silent. 0.99

02:16:04.000 That's what's the most fucked up part about it. 0.99

02:16:06.000 You don't even feel obnoxious. 0.98

02:16:07.000 Like when you stomp on the gas on the TRX, it's like...

02:16:12.000 I love that!

02:16:12.000 Just roar.

02:16:13.000 I love it too.

02:16:14.000 But there's something special about doing it in total silence. 1.00

02:16:17.000 The opening lick of my new record, Detroit Muscle, says, Strap your ass in. 0.99

02:16:21.000 I got a fire-breathing Mopar. 0.99

02:16:23.000 Downtown Detroit is like a rock and roll dream.

02:16:26.000 Kick out the jams if you really want to go far.

02:16:28.000 Motor City soul gonna make you scream.

02:16:31.000 Every night down at Woodward and Telegraph, every red light is like a drag race hell. 1.00

02:16:37.000 It talks all about the Detroit fire of muscle cars.

02:16:41.000 You know they're canceling the Hellcat engine?

02:16:43.000 There's what?

02:16:44.000 They're canceling the Hellcat engine.

02:16:45.000 So does that mean they're going to continue the demon?

02:16:47.000 I don't think so.

02:16:49.000 I think they're going to go all electric.

02:16:50.000 They're going to go all electric.

02:16:52.000 Everything's going electric.

02:16:56.000 So, Joe, let me ask you, all the lithium batteries, where are they going?

02:17:00.000 They're conflict minerals. 0.95

02:17:01.000 They come from the ground, Ted, and you gotta get them from really fucked up places in the world. 1.00

02:17:05.000 Who convinced these idiots that this is right? 1.00

02:17:09.000 I think the idea is the emissions are better. 1.00

02:17:11.000 So it is better for our air, but as far as what it does for the environment and what it does for conflict...

02:17:19.000 Negative.

02:17:19.000 All negative.

02:17:20.000 You have to get that stuff.

02:17:21.000 All negative. 0.84

02:17:22.000 The places in the world where lithium is very plentiful are just some sketchy-ass places.

02:17:27.000 And our enemies own it all.

02:17:28.000 Yeah, a lot of them, yeah.

02:17:29.000 I mean, Afghanistan is a huge place where they get lithium.

02:17:33.000 Afghanistan is a massive supply of lithium, but a lot of it is taken from...

02:17:38.000 Africa has a lot of it.

02:17:40.000 There's a lot of different areas where people are mining for lithium, and there's a finite amount of it, too.

02:17:46.000 They were worried about running out of oil, which they never did, but they were worried at one point in time before they figured out how to do fracking and a lot of other stuff, and then they figured out that there was...

02:17:56.000 More reserves than they thought there were.

02:17:58.000 But they kind of run out of minerals, too, I'm sure.

02:18:01.000 Unless they figure out how to recycle them.

02:18:03.000 The ones that we have.

02:18:04.000 I like horsepower.

02:18:05.000 My one Bronco is tuned up because it's about 800 yards to the gallon.

02:18:09.000 The thing is the sound.

02:18:11.000 It sounds so good. 0.91

02:18:12.000 The sound is so fucking beautiful. 0.98

02:18:14.000 The Hellcat is so beautiful. 0.98

02:18:15.000 Roush Yates V8s.

02:18:17.000 So beautiful.

02:18:18.000 I love them all, but the old sound is the best sound.

02:18:21.000 Yep. 0.99

02:18:21.000 The old sound, like I have a 1970 Barracuda, and you hear that thing fucking fire. 0.99

02:18:27.000 It's awesome. 0.93

02:18:28.000 Yeah, but the new ones are just as good.

02:18:30.000 They're amazing.

02:18:31.000 I think the new Mopars are just as good as the old ones. 0.99

02:18:33.000 It's like having sex with a condom on. 0.99

02:18:35.000 It's all coming through somewhere. 0.99

02:18:36.000 I wouldn't know.

02:18:37.000 1970 Chevelle SS found parked on a garage since 1978. Is that yours?

02:18:41.000 No!

02:18:42.000 What?

02:18:43.000 Yeah.

02:18:43.000 That's insane.

02:18:45.000 Six days ago, the story came out.

02:18:47.000 Oh, my God.

02:18:49.000 454 or 396?

02:18:50.000 It's a 454. Oh, my God.

02:18:52.000 That's the one.

02:18:54.000 Well, how about this, Joe?

02:18:55.000 Oh, my God.

02:18:56.000 That's incredible.

02:18:57.000 How about you could get a 454 in a Corvette in 1974 that put out a 190 horse? 1.00

02:19:03.000 They were dog shit. 1.00

02:19:05.000 Isn't that hilarious? 1.00

02:19:06.000 Absolute embarrassment.

02:19:07.000 Well, that was after the gas crisis, right? 1.00

02:19:09.000 I know, but still, kiss my ass. 1.00

02:19:11.000 So horrible. 1.00

02:19:12.000 If we can get a horse per cube, if we can now get almost two horses per cube, what were they thinking back then? 0.99

02:19:19.000 Well, back then, everybody lost their fucking mind when they had to wait in line for gas. 0.98

02:19:23.000 During that whole gas crisis era, America fell apart. 0.99

02:19:28.000 The golden age for American muscle cars, in my opinion, is between 65 and with a Barracuda, you can get to 71. After 71, things start getting real slippery.

02:19:39.000 They just start looking like shit. 0.94

02:19:40.000 You could get a Mercury Comet Caliente with a 411 rear end, 427 that rated it over 450 horse with a hearse four-speed on the floor for like three grand. 0.99

02:19:54.000 Oh, my God.

02:19:55.000 What was $3,000 in today's dollars?

02:19:59.000 What was that in today's dollars, if you accounted for inflation?

02:20:02.000 $80,000.

02:20:03.000 That makes sense.

02:20:04.000 My first Bronco in 1970, my first Bronco was $3,000.

02:20:07.000 Brand new, right off the showroom floor.

02:20:09.000 Wow.

02:20:10.000 Those cars.

02:20:11.000 Now you get that same view, $100,000.

02:20:14.000 $3,000 in 1970 is only worth $21,000 today.

02:20:19.000 Nicely done, Jamie.

02:20:20.000 Jamie is a technician.

02:20:23.000 I have no idea how he does that.

02:20:24.000 Jamie's the master.

02:20:26.000 That's not that bad.

02:20:27.000 That's actually really reasonable.

02:20:29.000 It is Jamie, right?

02:20:30.000 See, Jamie is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

02:20:32.000 If you want to play killer guitar, you've got to do it every day.

02:20:34.000 If you want to be a great welder, you've got to do it every day.

02:20:36.000 If you want to be a great technician in the Google world, you've got to do it every day like Jamie does.

02:20:40.000 A big salute to you, Jamie.

02:20:41.000 You are the samurai of Googleology or whatever the hell is.

02:20:44.000 Do you use DuckDuckGo at all, Jamie?

02:20:46.000 You should.

02:20:48.000 They don't track you that way.

02:20:49.000 When you're Googling something sketchy, you might want to go over to DuckDuckGo.

02:20:53.000 I know some of the landmines you've got to watch out for when you're Googling. 0.99

02:20:56.000 I have no idea how to work that shit. 0.99

02:20:58.000 I'm glad I just have this thing on my phone that you gave me the address and I punched it in and rocked my son. 0.99

02:21:04.000 Showed me how to put it on the screen, told me where to go.

02:21:06.000 I remember in the old days, you have to stop at a payphone, have to stop at the golf station, get out a map and find where you're going.

02:21:11.000 It was awesome.

02:21:12.000 I'm so glad I paid my dues in the 60s and 70s.

02:21:15.000 You had to improvise, adapt and overcome.

02:21:17.000 You had to be a...

02:21:19.000 Critical thinker.

02:21:20.000 You have to read maps.

02:21:20.000 You have to know how to get from point A to point B when there was only a map at the Shell Station.

02:21:25.000 I'm so glad I busted my ass. 0.99

02:21:28.000 People consider it a struggle. 0.99

02:21:29.000 It wasn't a struggle. 1.00

02:21:30.000 It was a fucking orgy. 1.00

02:21:31.000 It was a riot. 1.00

02:21:32.000 It was so much fun.

02:21:34.000 Unbelievably hard work, yes, but so invigorating, so...

02:21:39.000 So titillating, so stimulating, so intriguing.

02:21:43.000 We played 350 concerts a year from 67 through 74. 350?

02:21:50.000 You took 15 days off a year?

02:21:51.000 I dared my booking agent to let us have a day off.

02:21:55.000 We played 40, 50 shows in a row.

02:21:58.000 Oh my God.

02:21:59.000 And I drove all of them.

02:22:00.000 I did all the driving.

02:22:01.000 I set up the equipment.

02:22:02.000 I booked the Holiday Inn.

02:22:04.000 Holiday Inn was a three-folder brochure, and I could find the ones that were $9.95 a night.

02:22:10.000 We'd get one room, and we'd all stay in the same room.

02:22:13.000 Oh my God.

02:22:13.000 When we stayed in a room, typically it was on the road the whole time everybody slept in the car.

02:22:18.000 Wow.

02:22:19.000 What a riot I've had.

02:22:21.000 And I'd never do it again.

02:22:22.000 I couldn't.

02:22:23.000 I couldn't possibly survive that now.

02:22:25.000 When I go on tour next summer to make up for last year and this year, goddammit are we horny to play.

02:22:30.000 Again, Jason Hartless on drums, Greg Smith on bass, my crew, Linda, Doug, Bobby, my crew.

02:22:39.000 If the military operated like my rock and roll machine, we'd win every war and we wouldn't go to any illegal ones.

02:22:48.000 I have the best band, the best crew, the best team, the best management.

02:22:52.000 So efficient.

02:22:53.000 Their job description, I was telling your buddy Jeff here, that's my brother's name, I was telling Jeff, I asked him what he does, and he goes, a little bit of everything.

02:23:01.000 I went, you could work with me, because everybody in my life, the job description is, yes, I can do that, and if I can, I'll figure it out and be able to in three minutes.

02:23:09.000 Yeah, that sounds like Jeff.

02:23:11.000 Now, when you talk to a guy like you that's been doing something like playing music for as long as you have and you still love it as much as you do, that makes me very happy.

02:23:21.000 It really does.

02:23:23.000 It makes me so happy.

02:23:24.000 I love when people appreciate what they do and love what they do and feel like they're in the right line of business. 0.97

02:23:31.000 The saddest shit in the world is when you're talking to someone who doesn't like what they do. 0.97

02:23:34.000 But let me comment. 0.99

02:23:36.000 I think that's why I'm here.

02:23:38.000 You know who I adore and worship and pray for and am inspired by?

02:23:43.000 Kamala Harris?

02:23:46.000 Yes, because once you identify that level of evil, you know you have to fight for good.

02:23:52.000 Sorry to interrupt.

02:23:52.000 Who do you love?

02:23:53.000 That was a good one, because my response was even better.

02:23:56.000 My point is, you know who I worship? 1.00

02:24:00.000 The rush hour motherfuckers of America. 1.00

02:24:03.000 The people at the checkout counter at the grocery store. 1.00

02:24:07.000 The people at the stores.

02:24:10.000 The mechanics. 1.00

02:24:11.000 The people who bust their ass to go in. 0.98

02:24:14.000 Some of them really love the mechanic work. 0.99

02:24:17.000 They really love being a chef.

02:24:20.000 But some of them don't.

02:24:22.000 But they still do it.

02:24:24.000 They know they have to be self-sufficient.

02:24:27.000 They know they have to be productive.

02:24:29.000 And I know these people, and I am so humbled and honored that I've been able to pursue my cravings, not just my preferences.

02:24:38.000 I couldn't not play music.

02:24:42.000 It's who and what I am.

02:24:45.000 I couldn't not go bow hunting.

02:24:47.000 It's my heartbeat. 0.96

02:24:50.000 But a lot of people bust their ass to be a good checkout guy, and a good mechanic, and a good janitor, and they're not really in love with it, but they do it every day.

02:25:02.000 And as I come here today driving down 35, which, by the way, You must know how much I love you, because I would not do this. 0.85

02:25:12.000 I would not go down I-35 for just anybody.

02:25:15.000 Is I-35 bad?

02:25:16.000 Well, today's the first time I've driven it since probably a year ago when the construction was still just a death wish. 0.97

02:25:25.000 But my far tree stand is a pain in the ass for me to get to. 0.96

02:25:29.000 I don't go anywhere. 0.98

02:25:30.000 But to express myself with Joe Rogan, I'm more than happy to.

02:25:33.000 So, to me, I've been from Los Angeles, these highways are a dream here.

02:25:38.000 There's no one here.

02:25:39.000 Coming from Los Angeles, yes.

02:25:41.000 It's so much better.

02:25:42.000 My point is, is that we have to give a huge, heartfelt, gonzo salute to the working army of America.

02:25:51.000 Because a lot of them don't love their gig.

02:25:54.000 But they still do it.

02:25:56.000 And they're not getting rich.

02:25:58.000 They can still live a good life if they use their head and what they spend their money on and how the improvised dap to overcome and use their heads. 0.86

02:26:08.000 And I know all these people.

02:26:10.000 I have a campfire every weekend, September, October, into November.

02:26:13.000 I got a birthday hunt next in two weeks.

02:26:15.000 I got a New Year's hunt.

02:26:17.000 And these people book these hunts with me from every imaginable walk of life, from every imaginable job description, from every imaginable ideology.

02:26:25.000 Is this Sunrise Safaris?

02:26:26.000 Yes, Sunrise Safaris.

02:26:27.000 And so are you doing this in Michigan?

02:26:29.000 Like, where do you have these hunts?

02:26:30.000 We start them in Michigan in September, October, early November.

02:26:33.000 Then we come down here, and I have...

02:26:35.000 My birthday hunt and then my New Year's hunt.

02:26:38.000 And then I go to the 777 Ranch in Hondo for an annual hunt.

02:26:41.000 So I book Ted Nugent hunts.

02:26:43.000 And they go to the campfire.

02:26:45.000 I play my guitar. 1.00

02:26:46.000 We bullshit. 0.99

02:26:46.000 We shoot at the range together. 0.99

02:26:48.000 And how do people sign up for these?

02:26:49.000 They go to Sunrise Safaris on my website.

02:26:51.000 And just any normal person?

02:26:53.000 Yeah, I just book it.

02:26:54.000 Book it.

02:26:54.000 And they sign a waiver.

02:26:55.000 I think the waiver says if I snap and stab them in the head, it's their fault. 0.89

02:27:01.000 A lot like the waiver you tried to get me to sign coming in here. 0.97

02:27:05.000 Which I will sign after we dissect it. 1.00

02:27:08.000 But my point is, is that I know these shit kickers. 1.00

02:27:11.000 Right. 1.00

02:27:11.000 I hear them. 1.00

02:27:13.000 And around my camp, you can tell that there's no inhibitions.

02:27:16.000 Nobody hesitates to tell me anything they believe, whether it's conflicting, suspicious, out of character, out of line.

02:27:25.000 So I get such beautiful feedback, raw, unvarnished feedback.

02:27:35.000 honest feedback about every imaginable from the good, the bad, the ugly, especially with all the bad and the ugly that the world is producing right now.

02:27:42.000 So I know these people and I know that that hardware store clerk saved money to go hunting with me And he tells me about his truck and his new rifle.

02:27:53.000 And he's a hardware clerk.

02:27:55.000 I know how these people operate.

02:27:57.000 They're frugal.

02:27:59.000 They're smart.

02:28:00.000 Their work ethic is godlike.

02:28:05.000 And they're at my campfire and they share what Fred Bear means, what Stranglehold means, what my music means to them, what freedom means to them, what the First Amendment means to them, what the Second Amendment means to them, how distrusting the government is, how they love their family,

02:28:22.000 how they love their daughter at the volleyball.

02:28:24.000 I mean, I get such a totality of input from people. 0.99

02:28:32.000 Just great, shit-kicker Americans. 1.00

02:28:36.000 That when I speak, it's not Ted Nugent stuff. 1.00

02:28:38.000 It's the accumulation of this raw, honest, unvarnished evidence that goes into my psyche.

02:28:46.000 So when I comment about something, it's not, well, my presumption would be... 0.99

02:28:50.000 I don't presume shit. 0.98

02:28:52.000 I hear from... 0.98

02:28:53.000 I've been doing this, the campfire thing for...

02:28:58.000 Almost 40 years.

02:29:00.000 So for 40 years you've been having these just runs with random public people.

02:29:05.000 And then the backstage banter.

02:29:07.000 And then the people that stopped me at the gas station.

02:29:09.000 The people that stopped me at Whole Foods and at the coffee shop.

02:29:12.000 And the input, they're uninhibited.

02:29:15.000 And they want to share it with me because they see me saying what they're not even allowed to say.

02:29:20.000 That's what they all, almost all of them reference that.

02:29:23.000 God, I wish I could say what you said. 0.99

02:29:25.000 I'd get fucking fired if I said it. 0.96

02:29:27.000 Thank you so much. 0.98

02:29:28.000 That's the real problem with the job, right?

02:29:29.000 That's the real problem.

02:29:30.000 It's being able to express your opinions is very hard.

02:29:33.000 Yeah.

02:29:34.000 That's a giant, and harder so today because of social media.

02:29:38.000 I mean, people are getting fired for stuff they said on their social media 10 years ago.

02:29:42.000 Unbelievable.

02:29:43.000 Yeah, and particularly today, it doesn't even have to be controversial.

02:29:47.000 I was talking to this guy, Dr. Mike Hart from Canada, a guy who's been on my show before in the past, and he was telling me that he posted something on LinkedIn, and it was just a study showing how people should take vitamin D,

02:30:04.000 and it was associating high levels of vitamin D with positive COVID-19 outputs.

02:30:08.000 So far, so good.

02:30:09.000 That's it.

02:30:10.000 It was just a scientific paper he shared on LinkedIn, and it got banned.

02:30:14.000 Like, they pulled it down.

02:30:17.000 There was nothing.

02:30:19.000 I go, send me what you wrote. 0.98

02:30:21.000 Like, I'll read it to you because it's so fucking crazy. 0.94

02:30:24.000 Isn't that heartbreaking? 0.98

02:30:26.000 Here it is.

02:30:26.000 This is what he wrote.

02:30:28.000 Vitamin D treatment shortened hospital stay and decreased mortality in COVID cases, even in the existence of comorbidities.

02:30:34.000 Vitamin D supplementation is effective on various target parameters.

02:30:37.000 Therefore, it's essential for COVID-19 treatment.

02:30:40.000 It's a PubMed study.

02:30:41.000 It's a peer-reviewed study.

02:30:42.000 And it is in no way anti-vaccine.

02:30:45.000 It's in no way anything.

02:30:46.000 There's nothing negative about it at all.

02:30:47.000 It's just saying that vitamin D is very important to your immune system.

02:30:51.000 So he publishes this, and it gets pulled from LinkedIn.

02:30:55.000 They literally said, you know, we're pulling this down.

02:30:59.000 It's been removed because it goes against our professional community policies. 0.93

02:31:04.000 Like, what the fuck does that even mean? 0.93

02:31:06.000 This guy's a doctor. 1.00

02:31:07.000 He's a fucking medical doctor. 1.00

02:31:09.000 He's an M.D. They're professional devil. 1.00

02:31:13.000 I don't understand it. 0.82

02:31:15.000 It's not to be understood. 0.97

02:31:17.000 There is evil in this world, and when you have someone recommending an upgrade procedure for quality health, and someone bans it, the people who bans that recommended upgrade for quality health is pure fucking evil! 0.96

02:31:30.000 That's all you need to understand! 0.95

02:31:32.000 There's a narrative. 1.00

02:31:34.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:31:35.000 Hey, Jeff or Josh, bring me some water. 0.99

02:31:37.000 There's water right here, buddy.

02:31:38.000 Is there water?

02:31:39.000 Yeah, there's water in that there for you.

02:31:40.000 That's it.

02:31:41.000 Never mind, Jeff and Josh, you got it.

02:31:43.000 There's no reason why anybody should not be able to talk about things that are helpful.

02:31:49.000 And the narrative today is it's either the vaccine or nothing.

02:31:53.000 And anything that shows you that you're healthier because of it, in some way or another, could increase vaccine hesitancy.

02:32:01.000 Like, they want you to be sick unless you take a vaccine.

02:32:04.000 It's really strange. 0.91

02:32:05.000 Cruel, evil, hateful. 0.95

02:32:08.000 It's rotten to the core.

02:32:10.000 That whole leftist agenda, that media, academia, big tech, censorship, Hollywood. 0.99

02:32:19.000 It's fucking strange. 1.00

02:32:20.000 It's just rotten. 0.99

02:32:21.000 It's not really strange.

02:32:22.000 It's strange in America because it's never been this horrible.

02:32:27.000 But historically, this level of evil and rot has existed, if you're aware of the Trail of Tears or the Bataan Death March or the rape of Nan King.

02:32:38.000 If you're not aware of that stuff, then this would be shocking to you.

02:32:41.000 But if you're aware of the depth of evil and cruelty and demonacy of mankind, then this is nothing different than the history of evil and cruelty and demonacy of mankind.

02:32:51.000 And that describes the left.

02:32:52.000 How did it come out?

02:32:54.000 Like this, though?

02:32:55.000 Because the left was all about, like, make love, not war.

02:32:58.000 I don't think so!

02:32:59.000 But what happened?

02:33:00.000 Like, why did it shift to this totalitarian, like, ideology that must be subscribed to, and then this giving in to authority, which is weird.

02:33:15.000 I will not comply.

02:33:16.000 Joe, I'm here to help.

02:33:17.000 You know, I'm here to help.

02:33:18.000 And I do respect your elders, right?

02:33:19.000 Yes.

02:33:20.000 Do not bother yourself with the big question, why? 0.99

02:33:25.000 Just acknowledge, if the guy's breaking into your house, you have to shoot him. 0.90

02:33:30.000 You don't need to know why he's breaking into your house.

02:33:32.000 I know, but I'm a curious person, so I just don't understand how so many people are going along with this.

02:33:37.000 I understand that it's anxiety that goes along with the pandemic and there's also this desire to not be attacked so you attack others.

02:33:44.000 I get that.

02:33:45.000 I get all the psychological mechanisms that are at play that allow people to fall into this sort of totalitarian thinking.

02:33:53.000 Because the totalitarian thinking is so strange to me that it's coming from the left that they're giving in to this authoritarianism.

02:34:01.000 They're giving in to this idea that the government is your friend and the pharmaceutical companies are looking out for your best interests.

02:34:07.000 It's the craziest thing ever.

02:34:09.000 To have that come from the most educated...

02:34:12.000 I mean, if you look at traditionally, the people on the left traditionally have the most education.

02:34:18.000 They might not be the most intelligent.

02:34:20.000 Where'd that education come from, or what is the content of that education?

02:34:23.000 For sure.

02:34:24.000 But it's still, in their eyes... 0.99

02:34:29.000 Throughout history, if you talk to people in the 1990s from the left and you ask them, do you trust the pharmaceutical companies, they'd be like, fuck no. 0.91

02:34:37.000 If you talk to people in the 2000s that were dealing with the opioid crisis and all the other issues, if you watch that show, Dope Sick, if you see the depths that these pharmaceutical companies have gone to in order to sell poison to people and to talk to people and lie to them, 0.95

02:34:52.000 to tell them this poison is not addictive and to trick politicians...

02:34:57.000 And I have a friend who used to be a sales rep.

02:35:00.000 And he and I were talking about this the other day.

02:35:02.000 And he used to be a sales rep for pharmaceutical companies.

02:35:05.000 And he said they would tell him, you are going to be best friends with that doctor. 1.00

02:35:09.000 You're going to know his fucking kids' names. 1.00

02:35:12.000 You're going to show up at his kids' games. 1.00

02:35:14.000 You're going to get them free tickets to baseball games.

02:35:17.000 You're going to get them free meals.

02:35:19.000 You're going to do whatever you can to get inside their good graces and the idea is to get them to prescribe as much of our drugs as possible.

02:35:28.000 I knew that he had done something in the pharmaceutical industry, but I didn't know how deep it was.

02:35:33.000 And he and I had this conversation about it.

02:35:35.000 It was mind-blowing.

02:35:36.000 And he's your friend because his conscience kicked in.

02:35:39.000 Yeah, well, he's not in that business at all anymore.

02:35:41.000 That's my point.

02:35:41.000 His conscience kicked in.

02:35:43.000 But he was young.

02:35:43.000 He was like 21 years old when he was doing this, like fresh out of college.

02:35:46.000 Well, the movie The Fugitive. 0.99

02:35:47.000 They manipulate it to become rich in control, and they could give a shit about how many lives are lost. 0.76

02:35:54.000 But when he was explaining how this guy makes this amount of money because he sells this amount and he has this, and they had a list down of all the doctors that prescribe the most drugs and all the doctors that'll prescribe the most SSRIs, the most painkillers, the most anxiety medication, 0.99

02:36:10.000 and that they're just fucking handing this shit out like candy, and they're being encouraged to do this from these pharmaceutical companies. 0.96

02:36:17.000 Paid. 1.00

02:36:17.000 Sort of paid, but not really. 1.00

02:36:20.000 A lot of it is influence.

02:36:21.000 A lot of it is influence through giving them free things, giving them free meals.

02:36:26.000 It is, but it's also like they develop this reputation and this relationship with these doctors and these nurses, and they take everyone to dinner.

02:36:34.000 And then when someone comes along, they go, well, Pfizer's your friend.

02:36:37.000 Pfizer's my friend. 0.98

02:36:39.000 And the next thing you know, they're prescribing whatever the fuck Pfizer's selling. 0.99

02:36:42.000 Mankind is so capable of soulless weakness where you can buy their soul. 0.99

02:36:49.000 You can buy their decision.

02:36:52.000 You can have them look away from their morals to enrich and empower themselves.

02:37:00.000 When you start asking why, I don't know, why isn't Eric Holder and Barack Obama in prison for killing Brian Terry?

02:37:06.000 Who's Brian Terry?

02:37:07.000 Brian Terry was the Michigan border agent that was killed with the guns that Barack Obama and Eric Holder gave to the Mexican drug cartels that killed Brian Terry with.

02:37:16.000 What was that operation called?

02:37:18.000 Yeah, Fast and Furious.

02:37:19.000 Fast and Furious, that's right.

02:37:20.000 Explain what that was, because it was one of the craziest things.

02:37:24.000 To imagine that they thought this was a good idea, they Legally, I mean legally according to them, sold guns to the Mexican cartels because they wanted to be able to track them.

02:37:37.000 Yes, they were so anti-gun, Barack Obama and Eric Holder, two of the biggest punks that ever slithered the earth, that they were going to provide as much firepower to the most evil people, the child molesters,

02:37:53.000 the child traffickers, the drug importers, the fentanyl producers. 0.93

02:37:57.000 They provided guns to the Mexican drug cartel devils.

02:38:02.000 To show that those types of weapons will end up committing crimes in America because they also had the borders open where they could bring the guns that Eric Holder and Barack Obama gave to the drug cartels, American guns, mostly ARs in 1911,

02:38:18.000 45s, and 10 millimeters, a lot of Delta elites.

02:38:21.000 They provided them.

02:38:22.000 In fact, Mike...

02:38:23.000 Mike, the FFL in Prescott in Phoenix that the FBI and the DEA used to provide all these firearms to the Mexican drug cartels knowingly.

02:38:39.000 Claiming, Eric and Holder, Barack Obama, claiming, well, we need to track these guns to show you where they go so we can get the guys that use them illegally.

02:38:46.000 No, that's not what they were doing.

02:38:48.000 They were doing it so that they would use them illegally so they could pass more restrictive gun laws in America.

02:38:53.000 In other words, providing firepower to the Mexican gangs would somehow support the theory that gun control in America would make our streets safer. 0.94

02:39:02.000 Is this a theory?

02:39:05.000 Brian Terry was shot with one of those SKSs.

02:39:07.000 It was AK-47.

02:39:08.000 No, it was not a Kalashnikov machine gun.

02:39:10.000 It was an SKS semi-automatic.

02:39:13.000 Now, is this a theory that this is why they did this?

02:39:16.000 No, it came out.

02:39:17.000 I mean, the book.

02:39:18.000 I've got to get the book.

02:39:19.000 I'll get the guy's name.

02:39:20.000 But is it a theory that this was the motivation for them selling these guns?

02:39:25.000 No, it came out in documents that surfaced.

02:39:29.000 So in documents that surfaced that showed a direct connection between them selling the guns and wanting to pass more restrictive Second Amendment laws?

02:39:37.000 Yep. 1.00

02:39:39.000 Hey, anybody who wants to take my guns, fuck you! 1.00

02:39:44.000 Whoa, that's strong words from Ted Nugent. 1.00

02:39:47.000 I can't believe you saying that when he handed me this flag with a fucking cannon on it. 0.99

02:39:53.000 That's what's hilarious. 0.99

02:39:54.000 Mike Detty, you ready?

02:39:55.000 Fast and Furious, Mike Detty.

02:39:58.000 Get up.

02:39:58.000 Hey, Jamie, get the book by Mike Detty.

02:40:00.000 I think it might be called Fast and Furious.

02:40:02.000 How do you spell his name?

02:40:03.000 D-E-T-T-Y. He filmed the DEA and FBI instructing him to sell guns to known gang members from Mexico. 0.95

02:40:12.000 He had cameras in his house as he had mountains of 1911s and Colt AR-15s as the DEA and FBI... Operation Wide Receiver.

02:40:23.000 Everybody!

02:40:24.000 Buy the book!

02:40:26.000 To expose the corruption and deceit that led to Operation Fast and Furious, Mike Detty.

02:40:31.000 Wow.

02:40:32.000 Cheryl Atkinson.

02:40:33.000 Did anybody go to jail for that, Operation Fast and Furious?

02:40:37.000 No!

02:40:37.000 No one went to jail for that.

02:40:38.000 And so when you start asking why, you'd have to start there.

02:40:40.000 Why?

02:40:41.000 So explain that he had cameras in his house.

02:40:43.000 He had cameras in his house filming and recording the DEA and the ATF. By the way, let's take a little side trip here, shall we?

02:40:52.000 Okay, Mr. Government bureaucrat.

02:40:57.000 We decided the different bureaucracies that we need another bureaucracy to maybe milk some more tax dollars out of the American public and bloat it to such a degree that we have 10,000 people doing the job of nine.

02:41:10.000 Follow me on this.

02:41:11.000 So they had a little meeting one day in a room.

02:41:14.000 We need another bureaucracy.

02:41:15.000 We could probably make it really over bloated and expansive and waste a lot of tax dollars.

02:41:20.000 But I don't know what the bureaucracy should be about.

02:41:23.000 Somebody in the back of the room went, alcohol!

02:41:26.000 Well, now we don't really need...

02:41:28.000 The government doesn't really have anything to say about alcohol, not since the prohibition.

02:41:31.000 So somebody else went, well, that doesn't matter.

02:41:34.000 Let's just have an alcohol bureaucracy. 0.98

02:41:36.000 So the bureaucrats in the room went... 0.99

02:41:38.000 Yeah, why not?

02:41:39.000 Let's have the Bureau of Alcohol. 0.99

02:41:41.000 Somebody in the back of the room went, tobacco!

02:41:44.000 Tobacco!

02:41:44.000 Throw tobacco in there.

02:41:46.000 And they went, well, what does the government have to do with tobacco? 1.00

02:41:48.000 It's just a fucking agriculture crop. 0.99

02:41:49.000 We don't have any say in that. 0.99

02:41:51.000 Somebody in the room went, yeah, we don't need to.

02:41:53.000 Just throw alcohol in tobacco.

02:41:56.000 So these bureaucrats went, yeah, we could create a giant, bloated, wasteful, arbitrary Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco. 1.00

02:42:04.000 Great.

02:42:05.000 Somebody in the back of the room went, Skateboards! 0.77

02:42:08.000 Skateboards!

02:42:09.000 Skateboards.

02:42:09.000 They went, that's a little fun.

02:42:12.000 I don't think we'll ever convince anybody we need to control alcohol, tobacco, and skateboards.

02:42:17.000 So somebody in the back of the room went, guns!

02:42:19.000 Throw guns in there!

02:42:21.000 Well, that doesn't really make...

02:42:22.000 What is really alcohol, tobacco, and firearms?

02:42:26.000 That just...

02:42:26.000 There's really...

02:42:27.000 The Second Amendment, there's no reason to have a bureaucracy. 0.99

02:42:29.000 And the people in the room went, the fuck does that matter? 0.99

02:42:32.000 Let's just create a fucking bureaucracy that deals with alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. 1.00

02:42:37.000 That is a weird group, isn't it? 1.00

02:42:38.000 And so these assholes in the room went... 1.00

02:42:41.000 Yeah, we could probably start a law enforcement agency and bloat the shit out of that. 1.00

02:42:46.000 And then we could tax and we could have studies and we could go after people and we could infringe.

02:42:52.000 But it says it shall not be infringed. 0.99

02:42:54.000 Ah, fuck that. 0.99

02:42:55.000 We can infringe if we want to infringe. 1.00

02:42:57.000 Joe Rogan, smart, smart man.

02:43:02.000 I dare you to explain why there is such a bureaucracy that deals with alcohol, tobacco, and firearms!

02:43:13.000 It's impossible.

02:43:14.000 It's a kind of numbnut came up with that.

02:43:16.000 By the way, all you ATF agents out there... 0.99

02:43:20.000 You soulless pricks! 0.81

02:43:22.000 How do you not challenge your boss that your agency is against the law in the United States of America? 0.89

02:43:30.000 And I know some of these guys, and some of these guys are pretty good guys, but if you were a pretty good bass player, you couldn't be in my band, because you have to be a really good bass player, you have to be the best bass player, and you have to be honest!

02:43:42.000 And you have to stand up for what you believe in.

02:43:45.000 And all you ATF agents and DE agents and FBI agents, you took an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America. 0.84

02:43:54.000 You punks!

02:43:57.000 Every day you violate that sacred oath. 0.97

02:44:00.000 How can you live with yourselves?

02:44:03.000 How can you face your children knowing that you support an agency that has to do with alcohol, tobacco, and firearms? 1.00

02:44:13.000 Don't you know deep in your soul that that is so stupid and so anti-American that you must have bouts of guilt? 0.99

02:44:25.000 And I would recommend that you implement those bouts of guilt and you fight with good Americans to eliminate These illegal, immoral, anti-American, anti-freedom, oath-violating bureaucracies, 1.00

02:44:41.000 I rest my case. 0.99

02:44:43.000 And now if you come after me because of my Joe Rogan rant, bring it the fuck on! 0.99

02:44:50.000 Wow. 0.99

02:44:53.000 How did it start?

02:44:54.000 Like, how long ago has the ATF been around? 1.00

02:44:56.000 Some asshole in a room like, hey, [...] 0.99

02:45:19.000 What is the idea of the ATF today? 1.00

02:45:22.000 I can't imagine!

02:45:22.000 What function do they serve?

02:45:23.000 I can't imagine!

02:45:26.000 Is that the only regulatory body when it comes to firearms?

02:45:29.000 There are some regulations when it comes to firearms.

02:45:32.000 Your sheriff's department has that control.

02:45:35.000 Your state troopers have that control.

02:45:37.000 Your city police have that control.

02:45:39.000 But there is federal control, right?

02:45:41.000 There's some federal control of firearms.

02:45:43.000 No, why is there?

02:45:44.000 It's a constitutional right.

02:45:46.000 How does a federal agent think he can control tobacco?

02:45:52.000 Where do you get the authority to control tobacco?

02:45:54.000 The idea is that you need a tobacco stamp, but that's an agriculture thing.

02:45:57.000 But why?

02:45:58.000 Right?

02:45:58.000 Why do you need a tobacco stamp?

02:46:00.000 Yeah, why do you?

02:46:01.000 Do you need a tomato stamp?

02:46:03.000 Do I need a permit or paperwork or a license for my First Amendment?

02:46:07.000 No, I don't.

02:46:07.000 I guess the idea is all three of them kill people?

02:46:10.000 I mean, is that the only thing they share in common?

02:46:12.000 It seems like it is.

02:46:13.000 Joe, I have a First Amendment.

02:46:15.000 Yes.

02:46:16.000 Before it was written down.

02:46:18.000 I had it before they wrote it down.

02:46:20.000 How'd you do that?

02:46:20.000 Because I was born with it.

02:46:22.000 I got it from God.

02:46:23.000 Oh.

02:46:24.000 The Founding Fathers wrote it down because King George and his punks thought that they could control our religions and our speaking.

02:46:31.000 You know, it's interesting what's going on in Australia today.

02:46:34.000 You think?

02:46:35.000 With the over-the-top police state in response to COVID. My whole point.

02:46:40.000 Yeah, that would not be possible in America under the current laws, the way it sits right now, because too many people are armed, particularly here.

02:46:49.000 Hallelujah.

02:46:49.000 Especially in this room.

02:46:51.000 You wouldn't be able to.

02:46:52.000 You literally wouldn't be able to do that.

02:46:54.000 You wouldn't be able to just roam the streets and lock people down. 0.99

02:46:58.000 Think of a President of the United States, when discussing the Second Amendment, who is so brain-dead, soulless, and evil to the core. 0.96

02:47:09.000 He is the supposedly Commander-in-Chief President of the United States of America. 0.96

02:47:17.000 The one we have now?

02:47:17.000 Yes, whatever that thing is.

02:47:19.000 Punk.

02:47:20.000 He barely knows he's president, though. 0.90

02:47:23.000 That's my point.

02:47:23.000 So he's talking about the Second Amendment not that long ago, recently.

02:47:28.000 And he goes, well, you've got to be kidding me.

02:47:30.000 I mean, you can keep and bear arms, but what are you going to do?

02:47:33.000 We have nuclear weapons.

02:47:34.000 Let's stop and take a moment and examine the thought process Of the President of the United States, instead of supporting the people's God-given individual right as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, instead of voicing compassionate,

02:47:52.000 freedom-loving support for that self-evident truth, he threatened us that our Second Amendment will do no good against the atomic nuclear power of that prick.

02:48:08.000 What?

02:48:09.000 What are you saying?

02:48:10.000 He said your Second Amendment won't do any good because we have nuclear weapons.

02:48:15.000 Don't you remember that exchange?

02:48:17.000 No, I don't.

02:48:18.000 Well, I'm glad I'm here to remind you.

02:48:20.000 Well, I'll get Jamie to find it.

02:48:21.000 Jamie, find that one.

02:48:23.000 He literally said your Second Amendment...

02:48:24.000 He said...

02:48:25.000 Are they going to nuke the people?

02:48:26.000 That's my point!

02:48:27.000 What kind of...

02:48:31.000 Subhuman prick squirrels his way up to the commander-in-chief position, and then instead of voicing support for the self-evident truth that God gave us the right to freedom of speech and keep and bear arms, instead of stating that as a representative of the American experiment in self-government, 0.74

02:48:50.000 he took the enemy's perspective and said your Second Amendment won't do any good because we have nuclear weapons.

02:48:57.000 Is that real?

02:48:58.000 Did he really say it that way?

02:49:00.000 I believe you.

02:49:02.000 Everything I say is true.

02:49:04.000 I believe you.

02:49:05.000 That's what Glenn Beck said when I said, you know, 96% of violent crimes are repeated.

02:49:10.000 I might add, the Second Amendment from the day it was passed limited the type of people who could own a gun.

02:49:17.000 What?

02:49:17.000 What type of weapon you could own.

02:49:19.000 You couldn't buy a cannon.

02:49:20.000 Those who say the blood of patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we're going to have to Move against the government.

02:49:29.000 Well, the tree of liberty is not water in the blood of patriots.

02:49:32.000 What's happened is that there never been, if you wanted to think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.

02:49:42.000 The point is that there's always been the ability to limit, rationally limit, the type of weapon that can be owned and who can own it.

02:49:51.000 The last time we had data on this issue...

02:49:54.000 Look at that freak. 1.00

02:49:55.000 Listen to this man.

02:49:56.000 ...purchasing guns was more than 20 years ago.

02:49:59.000 5% of gun dealers, it turns out, in the study we did, showed that 90% of illegal guns were found in the crime scenes sold by 5% He's already made the statement that our Second Amendment won't do any good unless we have F-15s and nuclear weapons.

02:50:20.000 Taking on the government, I don't even understand.

02:50:23.000 That's not what he's there for.

02:50:24.000 He's not there for us to take him on.

02:50:26.000 He's there to support us.

02:50:28.000 Yeah, he's supposed to work for us.

02:50:29.000 He's supposed to help defend us, not defend against us.

02:50:32.000 He's not supposed to be our boss either.

02:50:34.000 He's supposed to work for us, which is a strange concept for people to get in their head.

02:50:38.000 These people are not supposed to be running us.

02:50:41.000 They're supposed to be working for us to enhance our life here in America.

02:50:44.000 But this idea that there's always been a restriction on the type of weapons that you could have, that's not true.

02:50:51.000 Not true at all.

02:50:52.000 It's not in the Constitution.

02:50:53.000 Nope.

02:50:53.000 If you look at the Bill of Rights, if you look at the Second Amendment, it doesn't say anything about you can't have a cannon.

02:51:00.000 Can't bear arms.

02:51:01.000 Yeah.

02:51:02.000 It says the right to a well-armed militia.

02:51:05.000 To keep and bear arms.

02:51:06.000 The right to form a well-armed militia.

02:51:08.000 In the atmosphere of King George's men coming to disarm us.

02:51:12.000 Yeah.

02:51:12.000 And in the atmosphere of potential tyranny from a corrupt government.

02:51:17.000 And if you don't think that it's possible for a corrupt government, Just look to the past.

02:51:22.000 It just doesn't mean it's happening right now where you have to take arms against the government, but there could...

02:51:27.000 And I think until COVID came around and until we saw what's going on in Australia and some other parts of the world where you do see unarmed populations who are being controlled by police states, like look what's happening in Hong Kong, right?

02:51:41.000 Look what's happening in other parts of the world where they don't have any weapons, they don't have any control, and they're being controlled by these totalitarian regimes.

02:51:49.000 Bingo!

02:51:50.000 Yeah.

02:51:50.000 Bingo.

02:51:51.000 This idea of taking up arms, it becomes more and more possible in a lot of people's eyes today when they see the news.

02:52:00.000 Tyrants need unarmed and helpless victims. 0.92

02:52:03.000 They do, yeah.

02:52:04.000 And it's also the way people behave.

02:52:08.000 They behave and think differently when they're governing people that are unarmed.

02:52:12.000 They really do.

02:52:13.000 Always.

02:52:13.000 Historically, I mean, I never went to college.

02:52:15.000 I was too busy learning stuff.

02:52:17.000 And I've never read many books.

02:52:18.000 I haven't read any books.

02:52:19.000 I think I wrote King Dog of the North.

02:52:22.000 You don't read books at all?

02:52:23.000 I don't read books.

02:52:24.000 I write books.

02:52:25.000 But I study information.

02:52:28.000 And I communicate with wise people who do know history.

02:52:31.000 And I got to tell you, stuff like the Discovery Channel and the occasional Nova special, when they delve into the history, and even a guy like Tucker Carlson who brings forth unlimited evidence to support his statements, and whether it's footage like the footage of Fast and Furious,

02:52:48.000 Or whether it's footage of the president claiming that our Second Amendment won't help against the government unless we have F-15s and nuclear weapons.

02:52:55.000 I don't need to know anything more than what I hear from the mouths of suspicious people that are executing tyranny and control over innocent lives. 0.77

02:53:05.000 And here's a part of the problem with what he said.

02:53:08.000 The military's run by regular people.

02:53:10.000 It's regular people that are the Army.

02:53:13.000 It's regular people.

02:53:14.000 That's right.

02:53:14.000 We the people.

02:53:15.000 The Marines, the Navies, the SEALs, all the Green Berets, Rangers.

02:53:20.000 Those are regular people.

02:53:21.000 Those are not tyrants.

02:53:23.000 Those are us.

02:53:24.000 I've done raids with ATF agents, DEA agents, FBI agents, Texas Rangers.

02:53:29.000 Did you ask them why the tobacco and the alcohol and the firearms are all together?

02:53:33.000 I did, and they don't like it.

02:53:34.000 Of course they don't.

02:53:35.000 They don't like it when I ask them.

02:53:37.000 And they don't like it when I ask them how they face their children.

02:53:40.000 And they don't like it when I ask them how they could follow somebody like J. Edgar Hoover or James Comey.

02:53:46.000 They don't like it when I ask them.

02:53:48.000 And here's the horror of it.

02:53:50.000 I've said a lot of hard things here today.

02:53:52.000 I've said a lot of lovely, buoyant things today.

02:53:54.000 A lot of positive stuff.

02:53:56.000 Yeah, you've gotten hills and valleys, Ted.

02:53:57.000 Yeah, I got this thing called life.

02:53:59.000 It's called a roller coaster.

02:54:00.000 You're all over the place.

02:54:01.000 It's an adventure.

02:54:01.000 Yeah, I'm all over the place.

02:54:02.000 I live a full life.

02:54:04.000 God bless me.

02:54:09.000 The FBI agents that decided to commando up and go arrest Roger Stone with the CNN cameras rolling, how do you obey an immoral command like that?

02:54:21.000 How do you obey an oath-violating command like that?

02:54:25.000 And I know these guys.

02:54:26.000 I hunt with these guys.

02:54:27.000 I train with these guys.

02:54:28.000 I shoot with these guys. 1.00

02:54:29.000 I bullshit with these guys. 1.00

02:54:31.000 And you know what they say, the horror of horrors? 1.00

02:54:33.000 This is going to be the lowest point of this entire exchange today.

02:54:36.000 I'd lose my pension.

02:54:40.000 Great.

02:54:41.000 Great. 0.97

02:54:42.000 So morals be damned.

02:54:44.000 Your conscience is put on hold so you can get a paycheck even though you're violating your fellow Americans' rights.

02:54:52.000 I don't think we can be friends.

02:54:56.000 I'm incapable of that.

02:54:58.000 There's morals.

02:55:00.000 There's conscience.

02:55:01.000 You all know what's right and what's wrong.

02:55:04.000 And there's so many examples, whether it's Lon Horiachi, why that prick's not in prison or facing it.

02:55:10.000 Who's that?

02:55:10.000 The guy who shot Vicki Weaver.

02:55:13.000 Oh, this is the...

02:55:14.000 Ruby Ridge?

02:55:15.000 Ruby Ridge, yeah. 0.99

02:55:16.000 So this guy, so you can just shoot people? 0.98

02:55:20.000 Really? 1.00

02:55:21.000 How about the ATF clusterfuck of the Branch Davidians? 0.84

02:55:28.000 I mean, there's no accountability. 0.94

02:55:30.000 How about the heartbreaking, tragic, oath-violating clusterfuck of Benghazi?

02:55:37.000 So that's water under the bridge, really? 0.99

02:55:40.000 So if someone rapes your daughter, since she's already raped, we don't have to get the guy that did it?

02:55:45.000 No. 0.84

02:55:45.000 It's not done until you get the guy that did it, and he's eliminated one way or the other. 0.84

02:55:50.000 There is no justice in America, and our court systems, until Kyle Rittenhouse, I didn't think there was any justice left.

02:55:58.000 Thank God for Kyle Rittenhouse.

02:56:02.000 I think you probably read I'm sending him a lifetime supply of good ammo.

02:56:07.000 That was a moment in time for America where we can take a deep breath and go, Thank God a jury in Kenosha still has a soul, a conscience, and they understand glaring right over glaring wrong, glaring good over glaring evil.

02:56:24.000 Is there a story in our lifetime that has had more misrepresentation in the media in terms of, like, what the narrative is versus what actually happened?

02:56:36.000 Well, maybe when the Huffington Post wrote that I adopted a nine-year-old girl to have sex with, What's her name?

02:56:42.000 The lies they've said about me. 0.85

02:56:44.000 Nugent dodged the draft, didn't dodge the draft. 0.99

02:56:47.000 Nugent's a racist, my bass player's black. 0.82

02:56:51.000 Because they can't debate me, because my speech is so drenched in evidence to support everything I stand for, Pierce Morgan. 0.96

02:57:00.000 That they know they can't debate me.

02:57:02.000 I remember that, the Pierce Morgan thing was fascinating.

02:57:05.000 Because he tried to equate, he was talking about gun violence, but he didn't understand that when he was quoting those numbers, so many of those people that died were killed in the process of committing crime.

02:57:17.000 Yes.

02:57:17.000 Or suicide.

02:57:18.000 There's no damn thing you can do about that. 0.99

02:57:20.000 Or suicide with gun violence. 0.89

02:57:20.000 So many instances. 0.89

02:57:22.000 But I want to get back to the Kyle Rittenhouse thing, though.

02:57:24.000 It's like so many people didn't even know that he shot white guys until the trial was almost over.

02:57:30.000 People that I know that I was friends with, they didn't even know that someone had pulled a gun on him.

02:57:35.000 They chased him down.

02:57:36.000 Or that the riots were based on the claim by CNN that the guy that the cops shot was dead.

02:57:43.000 They didn't kill him.

02:57:44.000 The cops murdered an unarmed black man, the Blake guy or whatever his name was that the cops were called in Kenosha, which was the impetus of the riots.

02:57:54.000 They murdered an innocent unarmed black man.

02:57:56.000 He's alive!

02:57:58.000 Fascinating, too, though, that what happens during a lot of these riots is people that are already bad people use these riots as an excuse to do violent acts.

02:58:11.000 And that's what you saw with the one guy that he shot that was a multiple offender pedophile.

02:58:16.000 Lifetime.

02:58:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:58:17.000 I mean, he had raped multiple young kids. 0.99

02:58:22.000 I mean, he's a fucking horrible person. 1.00

02:58:24.000 A devil. 1.00

02:58:24.000 The other guy was a wife-beater, a domestic abuser. 1.00

02:58:28.000 These guys that were there were horrific people. 0.63

02:58:32.000 I gave a shout-out to you recently.

02:58:34.000 I don't know if anybody told you that, but I gave a shout-out to Michael Berry and Joe Paggs and Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity and Lars Larson and Mark Davis, all these conservative talk show people.

02:58:45.000 There's a term I beseech you, to begin parroting.

02:58:52.000 And it is at the core of all heartbreak, tragedy, and victimization, engineered victimization in America.

02:59:00.000 And the term I coined in a recent, well, that's not recent, it was years ago, is that based on many uniform crime reports by the FBI, one of the rare moments where they can be trusted, Is that upwards of 96% of violent crime—that's a huge number.

02:59:19.000 It's as good as 100% as far as I'm concerned.

02:59:21.000 If you're 96% likely to kill an elk on that hunt, you're going to probably kill an elk.

02:59:26.000 96% of violent crime is committed by repeat offenders.

02:59:30.000 What we are living in today is the scourge Of engineered recidivism.

02:59:37.000 The violent offenders that are guaranteed to repeat their crimes are let out by the courts, the judges, the prosecutors, the parole boards, and the negotiation of early release or plea bargaining.

02:59:51.000 Well, I know we shot a guy, but maybe we can get him to testify against the guy who drove the getaway car.

02:59:56.000 No, no, stop!

02:59:58.000 Engineered recidivism.

03:00:01.000 When you say engineered, do you think this is done on purpose?

03:00:04.000 Yes, it has to be because you can't not know it.

03:00:07.000 If I was a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist person, I would say that too. 0.98

03:00:12.000 And I'm resisting it with every fucking fiber of my being. 0.98

03:00:15.000 As do I. But when I look at shit like what's going on in Los Angeles in particular, where they are letting people out left and right and you've got armed robberies all over the place, it is nationwide. 0.99

03:00:26.000 But I know what LA used to be like because I used to live there. 0.98

03:00:29.000 It used to be different just five years ago.

03:00:31.000 Sure.

03:00:31.000 It was very different.

03:00:32.000 But the district attorney that they have now, this guy Gascon.

03:00:35.000 Monster.

03:00:36.000 George Soros put in...

03:00:38.000 Evil's best friend.

03:00:39.000 It's crazy the way they're letting people out of jail.

03:00:42.000 Well, you were talking to...

03:00:42.000 People that commit violent crimes.

03:00:44.000 You were talking to Jacko or Jacko, one of your guys...

03:00:46.000 Jacko Willink?

03:00:47.000 Yeah.

03:00:47.000 About the shootout, the...

03:00:50.000 Yeah, yeah, the Chicago one, yeah.

03:00:51.000 And they...

03:00:52.000 I'd film, here's these guys...

03:00:53.000 They called it mutual combat.

03:00:55.000 Breaking felony after felony after felony with illegal guns.

03:00:58.000 They got him on film.

03:00:59.000 They know the guy.

03:01:00.000 There's his picture.

03:01:01.000 He's on film.

03:01:02.000 Nobody's prosecuted.

03:01:03.000 You've got to be kidding me.

03:01:05.000 They dropped all the charges due to mutual combat, which is supposed to be two guys having a fistfight.

03:01:10.000 That's what mutual combat's supposed to be.

03:01:12.000 That's my point.

03:01:12.000 That is engineered recidivism.

03:01:15.000 But why?

03:01:16.000 But here's the thing.

03:01:17.000 Why are they doing that?

03:01:18.000 There's that why question again. 0.99

03:01:19.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

03:01:21.000 But I do. 0.99

03:01:22.000 I want to know, what's the end goal?

03:01:24.000 There must be some end goal.

03:01:25.000 To destroy society?

03:01:27.000 But why would they want to do that?

03:01:28.000 I can't imagine.

03:01:29.000 I can't imagine either, but if I looked at it...

03:01:30.000 And you have a great imagination.

03:01:31.000 I have a great imagination.

03:01:33.000 I could probably come up with some, well, maybe it's this.

03:01:37.000 Don't give yourself a headache.

03:01:39.000 If you took all these steps, step one, defund the police. 0.99

03:01:42.000 Step one, hire these insane... 1.00

03:01:46.000 Progressive, air quotes. 0.94

03:01:47.000 Crime-loving prosecutors.

03:01:50.000 DAs that are letting people off.

03:01:52.000 And like the guy in Wisconsin that ran over those 50 people.

03:01:55.000 That guy, they had just... 1.00

03:01:57.000 He had tried to run over his fucking girlfriend. 1.00

03:01:59.000 He was out on only $1,000 bail. 1.00

03:02:02.000 He tried to kill somebody with a car.

03:02:04.000 He was out on $1,000 bail.

03:02:06.000 And then he runs over 50 people in a car.

03:02:08.000 Engineered recidivism. 0.99

03:02:09.000 And then here's the fucked up part. 0.99

03:02:11.000 The way they're covering that story in the news. 0.99

03:02:13.000 It's all about the car.

03:02:14.000 It's not the man who killed those people.

03:02:17.000 It's an accident that was caused by an SUV. A fucking SUV caused an accident? 1.00

03:02:21.000 What are you saying? 1.00

03:02:22.000 Did it go haywire?

03:02:24.000 Did the auto driving feature go nuts and it just plowed into the crowd? 1.00

03:02:27.000 No, this evil man with real problems, like a really psychologically fucked human being, drove into a crowd of strangers. 0.99

03:02:36.000 Listen to the words out of the prosecutorial team at the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. 0.99

03:02:42.000 Listen to the words out of their mouths and don't give yourself a headache.

03:02:46.000 You'll get an aneurysm if you pursue the question, why would they say that?

03:02:52.000 Why would that prosecuting team say that when someone is attacking you with a gun and a skateboard that we all have to put up with a beating once in a while and there's no reason to...

03:03:02.000 Is that really what they said?

03:03:03.000 They said it that way?

03:03:04.000 They said...

03:03:05.000 We all have to put up with a beating once in a while.

03:03:08.000 Was that actual words that they said?

03:03:10.000 We all have to put up with a beating?

03:03:11.000 Listen to me closely.

03:03:12.000 Really?

03:03:13.000 Yes.

03:03:15.000 Jim, you'll find it.

03:03:16.000 First of all, I saw a video of a security guard that got hit in the head with a skateboard and they caved his skull in.

03:03:23.000 Yes, that's my point.

03:03:24.000 It's permanent brain damage.

03:03:25.000 It's a horrible photo.

03:03:27.000 Half of his head is caved in.

03:03:29.000 People in charge of justice...

03:03:31.000 We're good to go.

03:03:48.000 That's what the New York prosecutor said.

03:03:50.000 That's what the Portland prosecutor said.

03:03:52.000 That's what the Seattle prosecutor said.

03:04:06.000 The prosecutor said, yes, when faced with the deadly force of a taser gun, deadly force is justified.

03:04:14.000 Now, since the guy with the taser was black and the cop was white, now the same prosecutor said, there's no reason to shoot a man with a taser gun because it can only cause temporary harm.

03:04:28.000 Don't ask why.

03:04:29.000 Don't ask why a guy would lie.

03:04:30.000 First of all, that's not logical.

03:04:32.000 Here's why it's not logical.

03:04:34.000 If someone shoots you with a taser, then they have your gun.

03:04:37.000 Because if you're tased, then they have your gun.

03:04:39.000 Yes!

03:04:39.000 And if you're unarmed, Michael Brown, and you're attacking this cop, you're unarmed until you get the cop's gun.

03:04:45.000 And statistically, he will kill him with the cop's gun. 0.93

03:04:48.000 You must neutralize this person. 0.95

03:04:50.000 I just don't understand.

03:04:51.000 You will never understand.

03:04:53.000 Not to be understood because you're a good man, and your good causes evil to be confusing.

03:04:58.000 So just let it be confusing.

03:05:00.000 But there's so much going on that's so crazy that it makes your head hurt.

03:05:04.000 When you hear about them essentially allowing people to come across the border from Mexico, they're trying to stop it now.

03:05:12.000 Apparently Biden is going to reinstate Trump's stay in Mexico policy. 0.99

03:05:16.000 Holy shit. 0.99

03:05:16.000 Which he criticized and called racist. 0.99

03:05:19.000 A little too late.

03:05:44.000 Wild!

03:05:44.000 Which is why I never ask why.

03:05:47.000 But I ask why.

03:05:48.000 My brain tells me that it is so bizarre.

03:05:53.000 It's so bizarre.

03:05:54.000 It is so illogical.

03:05:55.000 It is so wrong that you just...

03:05:59.000 Old Yeller brings you the newspaper and your slippers.

03:06:03.000 He saves you from the rattlesnake and the cougar.

03:06:06.000 Hug him, kiss him, give him a bone.

03:06:10.000 You wake up one morning, an old yeller's foaming at the mouth. 1.00

03:06:13.000 It's going to hurt, but you're going to have to shoot the motherfucker. 1.00

03:06:17.000 Because he's got rabies. 1.00

03:06:18.000 Because logic should rule the day.

03:06:20.000 And if you try to ask why anything from the left, you'll have an aneurysm because there is no answer.

03:06:27.000 But don't you think that there's something to asking why because if you can at least show the path of corruption that led to these district attorneys that are willing to let out violent criminals that threaten everybody's health and safety and if you could show that to people that have been in support of more lenient policies in terms of like prosecuting criminals and you could show them that this is what's going on and that this is somehow or another It's almost

03:06:57.000 like it's engineered. 0.52

03:06:58.000 But this will cause people to question things and maybe make people more aware of how fucked these people are that are making these laws are, the people that are enforcing these laws or not enforcing these laws. 0.93

03:07:11.000 I will give you the benefit of the doubt that the question why... 0.90

03:07:17.000 May facilitate an inquiry into the origins of this evil and corruption.

03:07:22.000 It's going to open people's eyes and what they call red pill them, right? 0.82

03:07:25.000 I have found more effective just spotlighting the cockroaches, identifying their insanity.

03:07:33.000 And let's just talk left versus right.

03:07:35.000 My brother and I have this unbelievable friction right now.

03:07:39.000 Because he hated Trump to such a degree that he called me the maniac.

03:07:43.000 And I love you, Jeff.

03:07:44.000 I truly love my brother.

03:07:46.000 He's a great man.

03:07:48.000 So, you hated Trump.

03:07:52.000 So that means you're siding with this evil force that's taking over our government now.

03:07:58.000 So someone explain to me and give me an example of where open borders brought quality of life.

03:08:06.000 You can't.

03:08:07.000 Tell me where engineered recidivism and the unleashing of the most evil savages in the human race onto our streets is benefiting quality. 0.52

03:08:21.000 I could go right down the list.

03:08:24.000 The left's agenda I don't need to know why they're doing it.

03:08:29.000 I just need to identify that they are doing it and how innocent lives are being lost.

03:08:35.000 Look at the prosecutor in Waukesha who's on record that I know my diverting prosecution will cause the loss of innocent lives.

03:08:47.000 That's quite a statement.

03:08:50.000 This is the guy that let the guy out for $1,000 bail that ran over 50 people.

03:08:56.000 Jamie will put it up on the screen.

03:08:57.000 My choice, my decision, said the prosecutor in Waukesha.

03:09:02.000 A great community.

03:09:03.000 I love those people.

03:09:04.000 I've been performing in Wisconsin for over 60 years.

03:09:07.000 He said he knew that it would cause a loss of life.

03:09:09.000 He said my diversionary prosecution, diverting prosecution, would cause the loss of innocent life, but here's the clincher, and don't ask why.

03:09:19.000 But I stand by my decision.

03:09:22.000 That is the same thing as saying, I want innocent lives lost.

03:09:30.000 Don't ask why.

03:09:31.000 That's just pure evil.

03:09:32.000 Don't you also think there's a political climate of police reform and of justice reform?

03:09:38.000 And this is, you know, I'm all for...

03:09:41.000 I'm all for letting innocent people get out of jail.

03:09:44.000 The Innocence Project's done amazing work exposing where corrupt cops have put people in jail for crimes they did not commit.

03:09:55.000 But when someone is like that guy who ran over those people, that guy was a tortured soul.

03:10:01.000 He was a horrible human being.

03:10:03.000 It's clear if you pay attention. 0.99

03:10:05.000 Dangerous.

03:10:06.000 They let him out and he committed a horrendous evil. 1.00

03:10:10.000 That is fucked. 1.00

03:10:11.000 I don't think it's a right or a left thing. 1.00

03:10:14.000 Here's the thing about open borders.

03:10:15.000 You know, you think about the left.

03:10:17.000 Who's more left than Bernie Sanders?

03:10:19.000 He's about as left as it gets, right?

03:10:21.000 Yeah.

03:10:21.000 Jamie, go to my Twitter.

03:10:22.000 Go to my Twitter because there's a conversation With Ezra Klein, who's also super left, who's talking to Bernie Sanders.

03:10:30.000 I believe it's from 2015. Well, I admit they have an...

03:10:33.000 But no, Bernie Sanders has a fascinating take on open borders.

03:10:38.000 And I think a lot of people would be shocked to hear this with the thoughts of today. 0.81

03:10:42.000 Because if today, in this climate, if you say anything against open borders, you're some kind of a racist and a monster, right?

03:10:49.000 Listen to this, because it's fascinating.

03:10:51.000 Just press clear.

03:10:52.000 That is, in what you said about being a democratic socialist, is a more international view.

03:10:57.000 But I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the U.S. are considered out of political bounds.

03:11:06.000 Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders, about sharply increasing...

03:11:13.000 Open borders?

03:11:15.000 That's a Kochbunders proposal.

03:11:17.000 Really?

03:11:18.000 Of course.

03:11:19.000 I mean, that's a right-wing proposal which says essentially there is no United States.

03:11:23.000 But it would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?

03:11:26.000 And it would make everybody in America poorer.

03:11:28.000 Then you're doing away with the concept of a nation-state.

03:11:31.000 And I don't think there's any country in the world which believes in that.

03:11:36.000 If you believe in a nation-state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, You have an obligation, in my view, to do everything we can to help poor people.

03:11:48.000 What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy.

03:11:51.000 Bring in all kinds of people who work for two or three dollars an hour.

03:11:54.000 That would be great for them.

03:11:55.000 I don't believe in that.

03:11:56.000 I think we have to raise wages in this country.

03:11:58.000 I think we have to do everything that we can To create the millions of jobs.

03:12:03.000 You know what youth unemployment in the United States of America today?

03:12:06.000 If you're white, a white kid, high school graduate, 33%, a Hispanic, 36%, African American, 51%.

03:12:12.000 You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers? 1.00

03:12:15.000 Or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

03:12:18.000 So I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world.

03:12:23.000 To address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even...

03:12:30.000 How amazing is that?

03:12:31.000 It's amazing, but I give him credit for a rare, maybe one-time hiccup of sense.

03:12:38.000 But within that rare, one-time hiccup of sense about borders, he tried to convince somebody, not me, That it's a right-wing policy of open borders?

03:12:49.000 Well, I think you just thought that because you could get a lot of cheap labor to come in and you could pay them as little as possible.

03:12:55.000 Except that the evidence is irrefutable and inescapable that the open borders are the direct result of Barack Obama and Joe Biden and the left.

03:13:04.000 It's a left thing.

03:13:06.000 It certainly is now.

03:13:08.000 It certainly is now.

03:13:09.000 I mean, what's happening now is certainly the way people are looking at it now is a direct result of this idea that to not have open borders is somehow racist, to want to stop people that are coming in here.

03:13:21.000 And I want people to do better.

03:13:22.000 I want people that want to come into this country and work hard to be able to have that opportunity.

03:13:27.000 I love immigration.

03:13:27.000 I'm all for immigration.

03:13:29.000 I'm all for banking.

03:13:30.000 I'm not for bank robbing.

03:13:31.000 Right.

03:13:33.000 See, but that's what the left does.

03:13:34.000 It's just fascinating that ideologically things have shifted so much, like what the parameters are of what is acceptable points that you could talk about and the way you could say it.

03:13:46.000 If someone tried to talk like that on the left today, they would say, this is an alt-right person.

03:13:51.000 How old is that?

03:13:53.000 2015. Is that amazing?

03:13:55.000 Six years later, the world's gone fucking wacky. 0.96

03:13:58.000 It's social media. 1.00

03:13:59.000 Social media and these echo chambers with these fucking kids that get right out of universities or in universities right now and then get out and they're in these social justice warrior echo chambers and they just spout out this shit. 0.99

03:14:12.000 And they do it without any understanding of what the ramifications are of what they're doing. 0.99

03:14:17.000 When he's saying that this is a Koch brothers idea, if you tried to say that today, people would laugh in your face. 0.99

03:14:23.000 They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

03:14:25.000 Because it's laughable, yeah. 0.99

03:14:26.000 But what he's saying, I understand his perspective.

03:14:29.000 He's saying that, and he's looking at it from this cartoonish version of what a right-wing person is.

03:14:35.000 The cartoonish version meaning this heartless person who wants slaves.

03:14:39.000 You want people to work for pennies.

03:14:41.000 It's so wrong.

03:14:41.000 It's so false.

03:14:42.000 It's just false, false, false, false, false.

03:14:44.000 But they have to go to that outrageous, dishonest misrepresentation to make their point, because Bernie is a communist.

03:14:53.000 And I don't care if he supported buying me ammo, he'd still be a communist.

03:14:59.000 It was probably just a tactic to try to weasel his way into a believability factor, because overall, All of these leftists, the media, academia, big tech, when they censor the recommendation of how people can get healthy,

03:15:14.000 when it's been proven from a doctor, I don't need to ask why.

03:15:17.000 It's bad.

03:15:19.000 They're bad people. 0.71

03:15:20.000 Yeah, well, the COVID narrative is the most insane.

03:15:24.000 So, Joe, if I was in charge, and I am in charge of my life, I'm in charge of my life.

03:15:29.000 I'm the authority.

03:15:30.000 Nobody has authority over me.

03:15:31.000 Now, I obey the laws, but I like to think that the laws that I obey came from we the people for safe, secure, compassionate, pleasurable, quality of life perspectives.

03:15:47.000 My son Rocco, all my kids, my grandkids, my brother and sister, my incredible wife, Shemaine.

03:15:54.000 Shemaine, I love you so much. 0.89

03:15:56.000 It's deep into the realm of stupid I love you so much. 0.99

03:16:00.000 My band, my crew, my Linda, been my personal assistant for 33 years. 0.99

03:16:05.000 Oh, Linda, I love you so much.

03:16:08.000 And Doug, my manager, for 40-some years.

03:16:10.000 You've given a lot of shout-outs.

03:16:12.000 Yeah, I do, and I love these people.

03:16:15.000 What's your experience, and you invited me, I'm them.

03:16:20.000 I'm the mouth and effervescence, dare I say, of the positive, quality, smart, cocky, hardworking, critical thinking,

03:16:36.000 buoyant, It energized people in my life.

03:16:41.000 All the people in my life.

03:16:43.000 All my friends.

03:16:44.000 I'm doing a Ted Nugent greasy speakeasy at Tucker Hall in Waco on Saturday, December 4th with Johnny Kutz on drums and Johnny Big on bass with Calvin Ross, Lone Star Music.

03:16:56.000 Yeah, I'm getting a lot of shout-outs.

03:16:57.000 Because my life would be meaningless without the people I'm shouting out to.

03:17:02.000 Right.

03:17:02.000 We're getting somewhere, though.

03:17:03.000 And, yes, we're getting somewhere that my perspective and how I manage my life You can't call it right wing.

03:17:12.000 You call it sensible and thoughtful.

03:17:15.000 That's the problem, isn't it, that there is a right wing and a left wing?

03:17:18.000 Because I think a lot of people are in the middle.

03:17:20.000 A lot of people are center.

03:17:22.000 Believe me, and I would like your take on it.

03:17:27.000 I'm a middle guy.

03:17:28.000 I got gay friends and black friends and trans friends.

03:17:32.000 You have trans friends?

03:17:33.000 How many trans friends do you have?

03:17:34.000 At the last NRA convention, I had these trans guys coming up to me.

03:17:38.000 I guess they were guys.

03:17:39.000 I don't know.

03:17:40.000 They love me.

03:17:41.000 They hug me, and they love that I stand up for their freedom, self-defense, and First Amendment, and people on the street.

03:17:48.000 I would love to see what this country would be like without any censorship on the internet.

03:17:54.000 I really would.

03:17:55.000 Zero.

03:17:55.000 I would be fascinated to see if you could express yourself with no limitations on social media.

03:18:03.000 I mean, I don't mean like doxing people, giving people's addresses away.

03:18:07.000 You can't throw.

03:18:08.000 Right.

03:18:09.000 But what I do mean is, if you could argue your position freely without any worry of being pulled from the internet, because that has happened to so many people.

03:18:20.000 There's so many people whose voices have been completely silenced.

03:18:24.000 And there's people that are famous that have had their voices silenced, and there's people that you've never heard of that, for whatever reason, they said something that someone didn't agree with, so they just banned them.

03:18:33.000 It's unbelievable.

03:18:33.000 It's so wrong.

03:18:34.000 It's fascinating because, just like with Mike Hart, this thing with it's just vitamin D. Unbelievable.

03:18:40.000 There's things like that.

03:18:41.000 You know, there was a thing called the Unity 2020 Project that Brett Weinstein tried to put together, and the idea was to bring people from the left and the right that were sensible people, the idea was to bring someone like Dan Crenshaw and Tulsi Gabbard, bring them together and create this third party, a unity party, right?

03:18:56.000 They banned them from Twitter.

03:18:57.000 I'll bet!

03:18:58.000 They banned them from Twitter.

03:18:59.000 There was no threats, there was no violence, there was no spamming, there was nothing.

03:19:03.000 It was just a position that they thought could endanger the chances of the Democrats winning, and so they justified polling them and censoring them from the internet.

03:19:12.000 What would it be like if people could have these free conversations, just talk about things?

03:19:18.000 I think, you know, we could find a lot of fucking common ground if we could do that. 0.90

03:19:24.000 You do that, and we salute you for that. 0.94

03:19:25.000 But have you ever had a hardcore communist leftist Che Guevara fan on?

03:19:31.000 I've had Bernie on.

03:19:33.000 Yeah, but does he hold...

03:19:34.000 I love Bernie.

03:19:34.000 Does he hold back?

03:19:36.000 No, he didn't hold back at all.

03:19:37.000 I think Bernie is a good person.

03:19:40.000 I think he has good values and good ideas.

03:19:42.000 I just think...

03:19:43.000 He lives in a different world.

03:19:45.000 But how can you find good in a communist agenda?

03:19:48.000 I don't think it's a communist agenda.

03:19:50.000 I think he calls himself a democratic socialist, and the idea is doing better for the people, the working people and the working families, and making sure that people can't take advantage of these people by not paying them a fair wage.

03:20:04.000 This has always been his position.

03:20:05.000 That's my position.

03:20:07.000 Yeah, but his position is to look at things like speculative trading and take a small percentage of that, less than a fraction of a penny off of these crazy stock deals that they're doing where they're using algorithms.

03:20:19.000 Take that and using it for infrastructure, using it for education, using it for healthcare.

03:20:25.000 I mean, I don't know if it would work.

03:20:26.000 Great concept.

03:20:27.000 I'm not the guy.

03:20:28.000 Great concept.

03:20:29.000 I'm not an economist.

03:20:30.000 I'm not a politician. 1.00

03:20:31.000 I'm a fucking moron. 1.00

03:20:32.000 I'm a cage-fighting commentator who's also a stand-up comedian. 1.00

03:20:35.000 You know, I'm not that guy.

03:20:37.000 Those are quite the credentials, by the way.

03:20:38.000 Strange.

03:20:39.000 Almost as good as a guitar player.

03:20:40.000 Yeah.

03:20:41.000 And I'm a bowhunting fan.

03:20:42.000 But let me comment on that.

03:20:44.000 So that's his perspective that helped a little guy to take a little tiny little piece, some crumbs, as I said in The Godfather 2, to wet my beak.

03:20:55.000 Who do we put in charge of that?

03:20:56.000 Would we put a bureaucracy that's in charge of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms?

03:21:00.000 No, no, no.

03:21:01.000 You're right.

03:21:02.000 They're untrustworthy. 1.00

03:21:03.000 Well, the problem is anybody dumb enough to want to do that fucking job. 1.00

03:21:06.000 The problem is anybody that wants to be in the position to control where the money goes. 0.99

03:21:11.000 These people are almost always in some way or another entangled.

03:21:15.000 They'll steal it.

03:21:16.000 Right.

03:21:16.000 There's entanglements.

03:21:17.000 Just like where I was saying my friend who was working for these pharmaceutical companies and he would get deep in with these doctors and deep in with the nurses and know their families.

03:21:29.000 It's like this weird sort of legal corruption.

03:21:32.000 This way that they can infiltrate these people's lives.

03:21:36.000 To influence them.

03:21:37.000 And that's the problem.

03:21:38.000 The problem is the size of government.

03:21:41.000 It's just so big. 1.00

03:21:43.000 And it has so much fucking power. 0.99

03:21:45.000 It has way more power than it ever had in the past. 0.99

03:21:48.000 And they want more.

03:21:49.000 And during COVID, those powers have grown.

03:21:51.000 Here's the pulse I get from my campfires.

03:21:54.000 And again, people have to really think for a minute.

03:21:58.000 What this perspective is. 1.00

03:22:00.000 We're working hard, playing hard American shit kickers. 1.00

03:22:02.000 Just people who bust their ass. 1.00

03:22:04.000 The people in the arena, the swirling dust of battle, the ups and downs of life, and they stumble and they dust themselves off and get back up and try again. 0.99

03:22:14.000 Maybe they wanted to be a musician, but they couldn't make it, so they became a plumber.

03:22:20.000 But they're a great plumber. 0.98

03:22:21.000 And so they didn't get their dream dream, but they still bust their ass To be in the asset column. 0.98

03:22:26.000 There's two columns. 0.97

03:22:27.000 There's the liability column and the asset column.

03:22:29.000 So my perspective is from, and again, not just this year's, but this year it was really quite voluminous, quite heated.

03:22:41.000 Good American families don't trust anybody.

03:22:44.000 Any of the bureaucracies.

03:22:45.000 We don't trust the CDC. We know that the WHO is an arm of the Communist Party.

03:22:50.000 We don't trust the FDA. We don't trust the USDA. And I could give you examples in every instance how they're not trustworthy.

03:22:58.000 In Michigan, if you use a feeder, you'll cause the transmission of chronic wasting disease.

03:23:04.000 So we must ban the use of feeders.

03:23:06.000 But since the deer hunters didn't get enough deer because they weren't able to use attractants, the USDA comes in with big giant feeders that says USDA! Who could possibly trust that glaring dishonesty and hypocrisy?

03:23:21.000 My favorite one is the recent decision of the FDA where they tried to stop the Freedom of Information Act releasing information about COVID for 55 years about the vaccines.

03:23:31.000 Yeah, that's a trustworthy maneuver.

03:23:34.000 It's something to behold when you look at it.

03:23:36.000 See, I don't read books, but I read this stuff.

03:23:39.000 This is so wild.

03:23:40.000 I've sent this to doctors, and I literally sent it to a doctor friend of mine, and she's pro-vaccine. 0.99

03:23:47.000 And her take was, what in the fuck is this? 0.99

03:23:50.000 Yes, yes. 0.99

03:23:51.000 That was her take, and she hardly swears.

03:23:53.000 I'm sharing a take from hard-working Americans.

03:23:55.000 This is Reuters.

03:23:55.000 This is Reuters, by the way, folks.

03:23:56.000 We don't trust any of them.

03:23:57.000 This is Reuters, and I believe that the head guy from Reuters is on the board of Pfizer.

03:24:03.000 That's all you need to know.

03:24:04.000 No, no, no, excuse me.

03:24:05.000 On the board of the FDA, I believe, or Pfizer.

03:24:08.000 But he was recently on the board of Pfizer.

03:24:10.000 I think I'm wrong.

03:24:10.000 They go from Pfizer to the FDA. No, no, no.

03:24:13.000 The guy from Reuters, I think, is on the board of Pfizer.

03:24:16.000 Check that, because I want to make sure I'm right here.

03:24:19.000 I saw this.

03:24:20.000 But my point is, it's so egregious that even Reuters, where the head guy is at the board of Pfizer, put this out.

03:24:29.000 And it says, wait, what?

03:24:31.000 FDA wants 55 years to process Freedom of Information Act request over vaccine data.

03:24:37.000 That means they essentially want as much time as it takes where everyone who's involved is dead.

03:24:44.000 Mm-hmm.

03:24:45.000 So no one can be held accountable.

03:24:46.000 Something like the Warren Report, maybe?

03:24:47.000 Yes.

03:24:48.000 Very similar to the Warren Report because they just recently, rather, very recently stopped releasing all the...

03:24:54.000 Yeah, extended.

03:24:55.000 Yeah, extended it even further.

03:24:56.000 They would not release the transcripts or all the information.

03:24:59.000 So I would like all my...

03:25:01.000 Find out if that's the guy from Reuters, because I need to be clear on this, because I'm pretty sure.

03:25:07.000 I'm right?

03:25:08.000 Say what it says.

03:25:09.000 The CEO of Reuters is on the board for Pfizer.

03:25:12.000 Thank you.

03:25:12.000 On the screen.

03:25:13.000 And meanwhile, they're still posting that.

03:25:16.000 That's how egregious it is. 0.99

03:25:17.000 It's so egregious that even Reuters is like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

03:25:21.000 And their wait what is my what the fuck. 1.00

03:25:25.000 Goddammit, Ted. 1.00

03:25:25.000 It's rampant. 1.00

03:25:26.000 It's like the guy, not the Attorney, I guess it is, the U.S. Attorney General, who's got his fingers in the books that goes to the education system.

03:25:39.000 His son-in-law runs the books that are being sold to the education systems across America, and he's banning alternative education material because his son-in-law has a deal with the teachers' union.

03:25:54.000 Well, how about this crazy one?

03:25:56.000 How about the Hunter Biden laptop?

03:25:57.000 Is that the most crazy thing ever? 0.99

03:25:59.000 They literally banned the New York Post from one of the oldest newspapers in the fucking country. 0.97

03:26:06.000 They banned the New York Post's articles from being shared on Twitter. 0.96

03:26:11.000 And I know you're inquisitive and you're suspicious, but don't ask why.

03:26:15.000 There is no answer.

03:26:17.000 They're just horrible.

03:26:19.000 I'm not asking why anymore. 0.98

03:26:20.000 Horrible people.

03:26:20.000 I'm going to take off a whole day for the rest of the day.

03:26:22.000 I'm not asking why.

03:26:24.000 Go, go.

03:26:25.000 Ted Nugent, we've been talking for more than three hours.

03:26:27.000 Have we really?

03:26:28.000 Yes.

03:26:28.000 Geez, I'm just getting warmed up.

03:26:29.000 Will you play us out with a riff?

03:26:30.000 Will you give us a riff and wrap this bad boy up?

03:26:32.000 I love riffs.

03:26:33.000 Listen, man, I'm glad we did this again.

03:26:35.000 I appreciate you very much.

03:26:37.000 You're always a lot of fun to be around, man.

03:26:39.000 Well, again, I love life.

03:26:41.000 I thank God every day.

03:26:43.000 I know you do.

03:26:44.000 You're a super positive person.

03:26:46.000 You really are.

03:26:46.000 And I like to maximize the good and fight against the evil.

03:26:50.000 And I do really appreciate the fact that you've been a musician for all these decades, and you so obviously fucking love it.

03:26:58.000 And you've been a bowhunter for all these years.

03:27:00.000 All my life.

03:27:00.000 And you so obviously love it.

03:27:01.000 I probably picked up the guitar and the bow...

03:27:05.000 At the age of three or four, maybe?

03:27:07.000 And I am a fan of enthusiasm.

03:27:10.000 I love enthusiasm.

03:27:12.000 I love people who love what they do.

03:27:14.000 So please, Ted Nugent, play us out.

03:27:17.000 I'm a fan of enthusiasm.

03:27:28.000 See, I don't know what that is.

03:27:30.000 I've never played that before.

03:27:31.000 Beautiful.

03:27:56.000 .

03:27:57.000 .

03:28:38.000 Let's go.

03:29:41.000 There was a time When I didn't care Nothing mattered To me I swear Then something happened And I came alive when I found you.

03:30:03.000 And I found fire and I never stopped believing.

03:30:12.000 And I can't stop dreaming.

03:30:20.000 And I gotta dream like Martin Luther King.

03:30:28.000 In my heart I hear that man sing So I climb up his mountain And I shout it out loud Cause I got a dream I swear to God And I never stop believing And I can't Stop dreaming And

03:31:03.000 I know Many gave all On my knees I humbly fall I see the crosses And old glory And that's why nothing Will ever stop me.

03:31:28.000 And I never stop believing.

03:31:34.000 And I can't stop dreaming.

03:32:09.000 Ted Nugent, ladies and gentlemen.

03:32:11.000 Goodbye, America and the rest of the world.

03:32:13.000 We love you. 1.00

03:32:15.000 Live it up, motherfuckers. 1.00

03:32:16.000 Be nice to each other. 1.00

03:32:17.000 Bye.

03:32:18.000 Kisses and hugs.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 30, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1741 - Ted Nugent

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