The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1744 - Derek from More Plates More Dates

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00:00:11.000 Hello Derek.

00:00:13.000 Hey, how's it going?

00:00:13.000 Nice to meet you in real life.

00:00:15.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:00:15.000 I've seen, man, fucking dozens of your videos, so it's cool meeting you in person. 0.90

00:00:21.000 Oh yeah, long overdue. 0.97

00:00:22.000 How did you get started?

00:00:25.000 For me, I've always sort of just been like a nerd about pharmacology and biology, endocrinology, stuff like that.

00:00:32.000 And I've always just researched online about random stuff.

00:00:35.000 And eventually, I was encouraged by a few people to start posting online.

00:00:40.000 And I was, I just started writing out blog articles on a WordPress site, maybe like five and a half years ago or something at this point.

00:00:48.000 And Eventually, it got to the point where, I guess YouTube was already big, but it wasn't that what it is now.

00:00:56.000 And I was just asking people in the, I don't know, male self-improvement niche that I was friends with, do you think I should be posting videos too instead of just writing these articles?

00:01:05.000 And they said, yeah, it's a no-brainer.

00:01:06.000 You should be.

00:01:06.000 Yeah.

00:01:07.000 I just started basically reiterating my articles in video format, too.

00:01:12.000 And then, eventually, the YouTube sort of outpaced the WordPress site.

00:01:17.000 And that's why it's always, you know, Derek from MorePlatesMondays.com, that website, was where I originally wrote my articles.

00:01:23.000 And that eventually got to the point where it wasn't very time-efficient to write, unfortunately.

00:01:28.000 So, I kind of, like...

00:01:30.000 Move disproportionately towards video format because I can just fire off a video in, I don't know, 15 minutes.

00:01:37.000 Otherwise, that in written format would take five plus hours to write out, if not longer.

00:01:42.000 Well, I love the fact that your production is very minimalist.

00:01:47.000 You have an air conditioner behind you, wood panel wall.

00:01:51.000 It's like, there's no attempt at all to, like, glitz and glamour, but it's just good content.

00:01:58.000 I mean, you just hit a million subscribers, so obviously something, it's working, you know, it's working well.

00:02:03.000 But it's, what you're doing is just, you have a unique ability to pull information out of the air.

00:02:10.000 Like, you remember stuff.

00:02:12.000 How things work, especially when you were talking about catching people that are doing steroids.

00:02:20.000 There's been many times you've gone over people's blood work.

00:02:23.000 It's very educational.

00:02:25.000 I learned a lot about it, especially before I watched your videos, I thought, oh, USADA. There's no way anybody can cheat with USADA around.

00:02:35.000 And then I watched some of your videos, I'm like, oh my god, they're cheating.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, it's not like they make it obvious where their shortcomings are and where the loopholes are, because they would obviously prefer people to not know what they're doing current research on to tighten up.

00:02:48.000 But yeah, there's definitely leeway still, or else they would not still be in the lab trying to figure out ways to bulletproof it, essentially.

00:02:56.000 Well, there's one gym that I know of that at one point in time, I don't know how they do it now, but at one point in time, they had literally full-time scientists that were working with the athletes.

00:03:09.000 No, yeah.

00:03:09.000 I think a lot of athletes have maybe not like a full team, but there's usually some sort of chemistry slash pharmacology guy in the back end who they're deferring to, or even just their bro who's experienced enough.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, but the bros is how people get caught. 0.99

00:03:26.000 Your body's like, bro, you just gotta do this, you gotta test clean, trust me, and then you test positive and that guy's fucked. 0.66

00:03:33.000 Yeah, I think usually there's some sort of, I don't know, deferral to figure out, like even people who, anybody at a top level is trying to figure out what kind of edge they can get, regardless if it's through straight edge supplementation, dietary practice, manipulations, 0.98

00:03:48.000 lifestyle interventions, etc., and Right.

00:03:56.000 Right.

00:04:13.000 People are thinking in that same way. 0.99

00:04:15.000 The Lance Armstrong one is the most ridiculous to me. 0.87

00:04:18.000 Because they took his jerseys away. 0.92

00:04:20.000 Supposedly.

00:04:21.000 But he still has them.

00:04:22.000 There's a photo of him.

00:04:24.000 It's a hilarious photo.

00:04:25.000 Of him on his couch.

00:04:27.000 With his feet up.

00:04:28.000 And behind him is all these framed jerseys of him winning the Tour de France.

00:04:33.000 And it's like, what are you going to do?

00:04:34.000 Take my jerseys? 1.00

00:04:35.000 I fucking won those bitches. 1.00

00:04:36.000 And he did win them. 1.00

00:04:38.000 It's fucking ridiculous how they even... 0.98

00:04:41.000 Pretty much everyone underneath him is doing the same thing. 0.98

00:04:44.000 18th place was the last guy that you could find that did not test positive.

00:04:48.000 And even that guy, though, he might have just got it out of his system in time because they're still trying to figure out how to detect EPO use, blood transfusions, autologous.

00:04:58.000 You can't detect right now at all except for aberrations in your hematology that can kind of like...

00:05:03.000 Infer based on longitudinal data that something's off, and they can assert that you're doping and putting blood back into yourself, but they still can't even tell.

00:05:12.000 Right.

00:05:13.000 Yeah.

00:05:13.000 Yeah, well, that's why they try to use the biological passport, right?

00:05:16.000 They try to get a baseline of you at random times over a course of several months, and then they understand what your normal levels are.

00:05:25.000 Yeah.

00:05:25.000 But even that varies with sleep and diet and...

00:05:28.000 And you've got to build up the data.

00:05:30.000 So if you're hypothetically an athlete who understands how this process works going into it, it's not very hard to go to LabCorp, get my own hematology panel, assess my reticulocyte, hemoglobin, red blood cell count over time, develop my own longitudinal biological passport before I go into a tested sport,

00:05:46.000 and see, do I fall within the threshold cutoffs where I would not get caught for my degree of autologous blood transfusions?

00:05:54.000 So hypothetically, I could just...

00:05:56.000 I could go in quite confidently if I had done the preliminary research prior.

00:06:01.000 And if you're doing something like Tour de France, of course you're gonna do that research.

00:06:05.000 They had teams behind them.

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:07.000 Did you see Icarus?

00:06:08.000 Yep. 0.99

00:06:09.000 That's a fucking great documentary. 0.99

00:06:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:11.000 God damn it so good. 1.00

00:06:12.000 It's so good when you realize that the entire Russian Olympic team was juiced to the tits. 1.00

00:06:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:06:19.000 The whole team. 0.99

00:06:20.000 Yeah.

00:06:20.000 Everybody.

00:06:21.000 That guy Gregory, he said the only people that it didn't benefit was the figure skaters.

00:06:26.000 So they didn't do it to the figure skaters.

00:06:28.000 Well, I would bet the figure skaters were still doing stuff that might just not be on the banned list yet.

00:06:32.000 Or might be now.

00:06:34.000 Who knows?

00:06:35.000 Because even like 2000...

00:06:36.000 I think it was 2000...

00:06:37.000 When were the Summer Olympics?

00:06:39.000 It was like 2008...

00:06:41.000 2004, 2008, and 2012 or something like that.

00:06:45.000 They've retested...

00:06:46.000 Since they've developed some of these long-term metabolite assays, they've been able to go back and retroactively catch, I think it was like, 150 athletes that otherwise...

00:06:57.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 Well, whenever the host country wins like a shitload of medals, that's when it all gets weird.

00:07:17.000 Like Sochi, that was a big one with Russia, and then Beijing, the Chinese one was a big one.

00:07:22.000 They had won so many medals.

00:07:24.000 And you know that it's such a big thing for some nations, like to win the Olympics.

00:07:31.000 It's a huge show of superiority.

00:07:34.000 And they go all out, man.

00:07:37.000 Have you ever heard of the Goldman Dilemma or something?

00:07:44.000 If you were to die in five years or win gold for your country, what would you take?

00:07:49.000 And it was like over 50% of athletes said die in five years and take the win versus, you know, live a normal life. 1.00

00:07:57.000 Yeah, fucking wild. 0.99

00:07:58.000 Well, in their head, it's everything. 1.00

00:08:01.000 Yeah.

00:08:02.000 I mean, to lose is so painful and to win is so glorious that they'll just take it. 0.60

00:08:07.000 Yeah, and in professional sports, obviously, the contracts are so ridiculous.

00:08:11.000 Like, there was one NBA player who just popped for draw standalone and testosterone like a week and a half ago or something.

00:08:18.000 And when you actually look at it, the guy has only played, I think in totality, like seven minutes on the court or something, but his contract is like almost $8 million.

00:08:25.000 So even guys at the highest level of professional sports, it's so lucrative, the amount of money that's on the table, that if you think, even if you're, you know, like a low tier, like you're still a top tier athlete, obviously, if you're in the NBA, for example, but if you're at the bottom of the totem pole and you think you have leeway with,

00:08:41.000 you're not going to get tested as much or whatever, you're The choices of drugs he used, too, were like, one of them was absurd and made no sense, but I assume he was just hedging against the chance that he would get randomly tested to, you know, if it helps you get this lucrative contract, even if you're,

00:08:56.000 like, just a seven-minute court player, like, it's a big fucking deal. 0.95

00:09:01.000 Well, it's probably, the guys who get caught doing something stupid, it's probably some dude from the gym, right? 1.00

00:09:07.000 Maybe. 0.99

00:09:08.000 Somebody from the gym tells them how to do things.

00:09:11.000 They're not being sophisticated about it.

00:09:13.000 Especially, he's not a top tier athlete.

00:09:15.000 He's just kind of a guy who plays occasionally.

00:09:18.000 Yeah, I've heard in arm wrestling, it's like a more obscure sport, obviously, but some of them are drug tested. 0.87

00:09:23.000 The scrutiny is very low, but some of them don't even, they just take whatever they want and go sauce to the tits and just hope they won't get tested. 0.95

00:09:34.000 Like, that's their strategy.

00:09:36.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:09:36.000 So, like, they take whatever the fuck they want and just hedge against the probability that they won't get tested, and then if they get lucky, which a lot of the times they do because it's very low-scrutiny testing, they just go in, like, full board. 0.92

00:09:48.000 Well, the UFC and mixed martial arts in general is a very interesting sport from that perspective because it started out all juice. 0.97

00:09:59.000 It started out literally like most of the athletes were on something.

00:10:03.000 You'd have to be a real rebel to not be on juice.

00:10:07.000 Like the rare BJ Penn type guy who was just a super athlete who just didn't need anything and fought natural.

00:10:14.000 But so many of those guys were on juice.

00:10:16.000 So many.

00:10:17.000 If you go back and look at them, if you go back and look at UFC 3, 4, and 5, everybody looked like a superhero.

00:10:24.000 Vitor was insane when he first started.

00:10:26.000 The fight where he...

00:10:28.000 I forget.

00:10:29.000 It was against Vanderlei.

00:10:30.000 He just ran him across the ring.

00:10:31.000 That epic shot. 0.99

00:10:33.000 He was fucking cranked back then. 0.99

00:10:35.000 Well, so was Vanderlei back then, too. 0.99

00:10:36.000 Yeah, but the physiques.

00:10:39.000 Disproportionately bodybuilder-esque.

00:10:41.000 Right.

00:10:41.000 Well, Vitor at one point in time was 240 pounds.

00:10:44.000 And then he eventually got in the UFC, was competing at middleweight, which is 185 pounds. 0.98

00:10:49.000 Damn. 0.97

00:10:49.000 So, like, yeah, he's pretty juiced up there. 0.97

00:10:53.000 But if you go to Vitor versus Randy Couture, that was a fight where he lost.

00:10:59.000 Where his body was so big, his trap started at the top of his head.

00:11:05.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:11:05.000 And he was fucking enormous. 0.99

00:11:08.000 Is that Vitor versus Randy? 0.99

00:11:09.000 That might be the second fight.

00:11:11.000 I think that is the UFC light heavyweight title.

00:11:14.000 Right there.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, you want that one in the upper right next to your cursor go up?

00:11:18.000 Yeah, right there.

00:11:19.000 That's him.

00:11:19.000 He was, look how big he is.

00:11:22.000 He was fucking huge. 0.98

00:11:23.000 That one he was like 240. His arms were gigantic. 0.99

00:11:26.000 But he gassed out quick.

00:11:28.000 And Randy was a superior wrestler.

00:11:31.000 That was back when you could wear shoes like Randy's wearing wrestling shoes.

00:11:34.000 That's old school UFC. Like that was early, early on and there was no testing.

00:11:39.000 There was nothing.

00:11:41.000 No, you had guys like Mark Coleman showing up looking like...

00:11:44.000 Just jacked!

00:11:45.000 Mark Kerr was even bigger than Mark Coleman.

00:11:47.000 Mark Kerr, the Smashing Machine.

00:11:49.000 Have you ever seen that documentary?

00:11:51.000 No, I haven't.

00:11:52.000 Very good documentary.

00:11:54.000 It's an amazing documentary because it was like Icarus in the sense that the way...

00:11:58.000 If you haven't seen Icarus, folks, Brian Fogle, the guy who's the director of it, is also the star of it.

00:12:04.000 And what happened was Brian, who is an athlete and he does bike races... 0.63

00:12:10.000 He decided as a cyclist it would be interesting if he did a race natural and then did the same race the next year, juiced to the tits.

00:12:18.000 And so he did the race natural, documented it all, and then hired this guy, Gregory Rychenkov.

00:12:24.000 And Gregory was the head of the Russian anti-doping agency, which is not real.

00:12:30.000 Yeah.

00:12:31.000 The Russian Anti-Doping Agency is the Russian We Dope Everybody Agency.

00:12:35.000 And so Gregory talked Brian through the protocol, told him what to take, how to take it.

00:12:41.000 I don't know if he supplied him with it.

00:12:43.000 I don't really remember that.

00:12:44.000 But along the way, the Russians get busted in the Sochi Olympics.

00:12:49.000 Gregory has to flee the country and then rats out the entire Russian Olympic team.

00:12:53.000 And now he's got a hit out on him.

00:12:55.000 So he's hiding in America and still is.

00:12:58.000 He's under witness protection.

00:13:00.000 He's got 24-hour armed guards around him all the time.

00:13:03.000 And, you know, someone from Russia apparently is looking to kill him.

00:13:07.000 So this poor guy's wandering around.

00:13:09.000 Well, the smashing machine is like that in that what they were doing was they were studying Mark Coleman, or excuse me, Mark Kerr, when he was at the peak of his popularity in Pride. 0.99

00:13:19.000 And Mark Kerr was a fucking gorilla. 0.98

00:13:22.000 Look at him there. 1.00

00:13:24.000 My God, just an enormous wrestler, super powerful guy, just fucking smashes shit out of people. 0.97

00:13:31.000 But when they start filming this documentary... 0.99

00:13:35.000 He is falling apart.

00:13:38.000 They catch him falling apart.

00:13:40.000 He's addicted to pain medication, so he's shooting up, and he's doing it right in front of the documentary crew.

00:13:47.000 He's just out of his mind.

00:13:50.000 He's doing steroids.

00:13:51.000 He's doing painkillers.

00:13:52.000 He's just completely addicted.

00:13:54.000 And you see everything collapse.

00:13:57.000 They caught it right at the right time, right when the cameras got to him, was right when it was all falling apart.

00:14:02.000 And it's a fascinating documentary.

00:14:05.000 And that was in the Japan days of Pride, where not only were there no testing, but...

00:14:10.000 They literally write it on the contract.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, they literally write on the contract, we will not test you for steroids.

00:14:15.000 Ensign Inoue, who fought over there, told me they wrote it in all caps, we will not fight it, we will not test you for steroids.

00:14:22.000 That's wild.

00:14:23.000 And so this documentary is like the gold standard documentary for MMA fighters that were substance abusers.

00:14:31.000 There's so many of them.

00:14:33.000 They were so hooked on steroids. 0.99

00:14:35.000 There were so many of these guys.

00:14:36.000 And then USADA came along, and then their physiques just melted.

00:14:40.000 Yeah.

00:14:40.000 But not all of them.

00:14:41.000 Some guys figured shit out. 0.98

00:14:44.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:14:45.000 Yeah, some were pretty dramatic, like Johnny Hendrix fell apart.

00:14:48.000 Yeah.

00:14:48.000 Vitor fell apart.

00:14:49.000 Vitor was the most dramatic.

00:14:51.000 Yeah, he's usually the poster boy for USADA. Yeah, he was the guy that was probably responsible for them getting rid of the TRT program.

00:15:03.000 The TRT program is very controversial because the whole idea behind it was some of these guys need testosterone just like anything else, like thyroid medication.

00:15:12.000 We're just going to give it to them.

00:15:13.000 But the problem is why do they need testosterone? 0.91

00:15:15.000 Why does a 26-year-old man have low testosterone?

00:15:19.000 Well, the reality is a lot of them were on juice.

00:15:21.000 And so their natural endocrine system shuts down and then they get tested during that time period.

00:15:28.000 They go, oh my god, this poor guy, he needs medicine.

00:15:30.000 And so you give them testosterone and Vitor, like whatever the natural level was, Vitor was at hyperhuman levels to the point where they were worried he was going to die.

00:15:40.000 Something a lot of people don't consider about TRT2 that goes overlooked when it comes to these TUEs is even if you're within the natural reference range, like he was pushing it to super physiologic levels.

00:15:51.000 That's why, you know, he was getting more scrutiny too.

00:15:54.000 But even if he kept his levels at like 700 nanograms per deciliter and that's like a normal level...

00:16:00.000 Right.

00:16:02.000 Right.

00:16:04.000 Right.

00:16:15.000 Yeah.

00:16:44.000 You get a disproportionate drop in SHBG, which spikes your free test to a level that otherwise would never be achievable.

00:16:52.000 Explain that.

00:16:52.000 So there's testosterone that's bound to albumin and SHBG, which is your total test.

00:16:58.000 What does SHBG stand for?

00:16:59.000 Sex hormone binding globulin.

00:17:01.000 So it's like a binding protein that regulates how much hormone is freely in circulation to get to target tissues.

00:17:07.000 So if you have a higher SHBG, you have less free testosterone that actually is...

00:17:13.000 Mm.

00:17:19.000 Mm.

00:17:36.000 I guarantee you hold more muscle than they would have otherwise at the same level on paper of a total T with natural levels.

00:17:47.000 Makes sense.

00:17:48.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 And is there a way that, I mean, they use carbon isotope tests to detect exogenous testosterone, right?

00:17:59.000 Yeah.

00:18:00.000 And that detects testosterone that's coming from wild yams, right? 0.53

00:18:05.000 Yeah, it's kind of ironic how testosterone commercial grade is derived from soy, which is like the complete fucking opposite of what- Yams or soy?

00:18:12.000 It comes from like yams, stigmasterol, I forgot all the, like it's basically like soy derived ultimately at the end of the day.

00:18:19.000 Yeah, it's like Mexican yams and it's like all these, the way they react it down, it comes from, I think the current way to do it is soy, which is just interesting because that's like the last thing you would think makes testosterone.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:32.000 Well, soy boy, that is the worst insult for someone.

00:18:36.000 So this carbon isotope test, which detects wild yams, they figured out a way to extract testosterone from animal sources.

00:18:48.000 Because I know that that was theoretical.

00:18:50.000 Commercial-grade testosterone, like the stuff you get from a pharmacy for your TRT, is all derived from the soy derived.

00:18:59.000 So the carbon isotope of it, the ratio of it, is indicative of plant-derived testosterone.

00:19:06.000 Right.

00:19:07.000 When you do a carbon isotope ratio test and you combust it down and you see what kind of carbon content is in it when you're checking the urine, you see it disproportionately...

00:19:17.000 The carbon-13 to carbon-12 ratio is disproportionately in favor of plant-derived testosterone to a point where there's no way a human could produce this through endogenous steroidogenesis from cholesterol.

00:19:31.000 So if you hypothetically wanted to skirt around this test...

00:19:35.000 If you had animal-derived cholesterol and you reacted it down, you could hypothetically get a human-looking derived testosterone that's completely immune to detection through the carbon isotope ratio test.

00:19:47.000 Now is that just theoretical or has that been achieved?

00:19:52.000 Well, it's not like I could pull...

00:19:54.000 It's not like you would ever be able to get that from a commercial company that's going to provide it to you, but hypothetically, if you got, I don't know, from like a medical supply company, you've got animal-grade testosterone, or I mean cholesterol, and then you had a chemist who you hired because you're, you know,

00:20:09.000 an athlete who has access to...

00:20:31.000 Has that been done?

00:20:37.000 I believe so, yeah.

00:20:40.000 Really?

00:20:40.000 Yeah.

00:20:41.000 But this is not, like, there's no papers on this?

00:20:44.000 They're not going to say this is being done and this is how you do it.

00:20:48.000 Right, but I was wondering, like, I wonder who, like, is this something the Soviets have done or the Russians have done?

00:20:54.000 Is this something the Chinese have done? 1.00

00:20:55.000 I think athletes in all sports, I don't think it's prevalent.

00:21:00.000 Like, especially in the UFC, some of the people who get caught, even at, like, high-level fighters, TJ Dillashaw, he is recombinant EPO, which is highly detectable if you're looking for it.

00:21:09.000 So even the highest level of fighters I don't necessarily think have access to the resources to hire these chemists necessarily or even think to do this kind of stuff.

00:21:19.000 But ultimately, I do think at a very high level, there are individuals doing this.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, I think this individual's doing it too.

00:21:27.000 I just wonder if it's been proven that it can be done.

00:21:30.000 Nowitzki, Jeff Nowitzki from USADA was the first person to tell me about it, but his take on it was like, we don't really know.

00:21:36.000 No, I don't think there's...

00:21:37.000 If you can literally take a fucking yam and turn it to test, I cannot imagine it's impossible to take actual human-identical cholesterol, which is literally what your body uses to make tests, And react at them. 0.96

00:21:51.000 To me, it makes more sense how you get tested out of that than out of a random plant. 0.98

00:21:56.000 Yeah, that does make more sense.

00:21:57.000 And you got to think, out of all the stuff that China does, one of the things they do is these concentration camps.

00:22:03.000 They have these prisoner camps.

00:22:06.000 And, you know, the people that did wrong speak or whatever and they shuffle them off there.

00:22:11.000 I would imagine, I mean, the dark rumor was always like that's where you're getting some organ transplants that some people would go over there to get organ transplants.

00:22:20.000 You gotta think they're making testosterone that way too. 0.99

00:22:22.000 Just using people as like a fucking sponge to drain out. 1.00

00:22:26.000 Maybe, yeah. 0.99

00:22:27.000 I wouldn't be surprised if there are countries doing it, athletes at a high level, in the UFC perhaps.

00:22:32.000 As well as in professional sports in general.

00:22:35.000 Didn't John Jones block you?

00:22:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:22:38.000 I don't think he likes me.

00:22:40.000 What did you do?

00:22:43.000 Well, I guess it's just I've made a few videos just dissecting his case and giving my opinion on what I think he did.

00:22:49.000 And he just doesn't like it, obviously, because it's just bringing up shit that is in his past that he doesn't want dug up, I guess.

00:22:57.000 This is the stuff about the drug testing.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, because there was that whole debacle with the pulsing and the torinibole metabolite.

00:23:04.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 What's your take on that?

00:23:08.000 Personally, I think that if you go back historically to the beginning, like obviously the guy is pretty loose on what he's willing to do in terms of, you know...

00:23:18.000 Substances.

00:23:18.000 Yeah.

00:23:19.000 So with him, if you go back to his first positive test results, I believe he tested positive for clomiphene and letrozole way back in like 2016 or something.

00:23:29.000 So if you look at those two drugs, one of them is an aromatase inhibitor that you would use to prevent gyno formation usually.

00:23:36.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 And then Clomid is like a fertility drug you would use to restore testosterone production, or in women use it to aid in fertility.

00:23:43.000 So using those two drugs back then, to me, seemed like something you would be doing to either, you know, prevent the gyno from what you were using at a time when it was less scrutinous, perhaps.

00:23:55.000 And then the Clomid, you know, to recover or something was tainted is what his claim was.

00:23:59.000 But we already have, you know, history of him doing this or getting popped for something pretty stupid to get popped for way back in, you know, 2015-2016 era, approximately.

00:24:09.000 After that, he tests positive for Torinobol.

00:24:12.000 And then thereafter, the pulsing.

00:24:14.000 But the thing that's interesting about that is when Nowitzki talks about this pulsing M3 metabolite, he refers to...

00:24:21.000 Well, it's not him.

00:24:22.000 He's just reiterating the research.

00:24:23.000 And it's ultimately they use this reference point of Clomid pulsing as a...

00:24:29.000 Kind of a proxy to exemplify, look, here's a drug that stores itself in fat tissue and pulses over time.

00:24:36.000 So they use Clomid as an example, because they can't just give a human a shit ton of Terenabol and try and figure out if this is going to work or not.

00:24:43.000 So they give them this fertility drug, or they've looked in the data and found, parsed out this information about Clomid pulsing.

00:24:49.000 And they use that as a reference point for like, look, there's a drug that can pulse over time.

00:24:53.000 But the interesting thing is, Jon Jones literally popped for Clomid before.

00:24:57.000 But he's never had that pulse.

00:24:59.000 So he has this pterinibol that keeps pulsing, but the Clomid they use as the reference point of a drug that can pulse never pulsed for him.

00:25:08.000 But didn't he say that the Clomid was from tainted food?

00:25:11.000 Yeah, but he still got it in his system.

00:25:12.000 So it's like, if you ingested Clomid, why is that not pulsing?

00:25:15.000 So what causes something to pulse?

00:25:18.000 Explain pulsing to people that don't know what we're talking about.

00:25:21.000 Like the idea would be that metabolites of these hormones, like first of all with pterinibol, After Icarus came out, and shortly around that, Rod Chankov is the one who came up with the M3 metabolite test and extended the detection window of Torinobol.

00:25:36.000 And that's actually, when I mentioned the Summer Olympics and how many people retroactively got their medals stripped or they got popped for the Summer Olympics for...

00:25:45.000 Like, 12 years in totality.

00:25:46.000 A lot of those positive test results were forward-to-rendible after they used Rod Chankov's data to retroactively test the urine samples and see.

00:25:55.000 They thought, at the time, it was undetectable because they got it out of their system based on the current detection windows.

00:26:00.000 But then when Rod Chankov came out with his data, and when they went back and tested it using his assay, you could figure out, oh, past that date, they actually detected for that, you know, the longer-term metabolites.

00:26:13.000 So, the idea behind the pulsing is these metabolites that linger, they can store themselves in fat tissue, essentially, and they can liberate themselves over time sporadically.

00:26:26.000 Has that been proven, or is that theoretical?

00:26:29.000 Yeah, and it was proven in Clomid data, which is interesting because Jon Jones literally is pot for Clomid.

00:26:34.000 But didn't pulse for that.

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 But it hasn't been proven before with this stuff?

00:26:39.000 No, with Teranobol, never.

00:26:40.000 So, what's your take on that?

00:26:42.000 Like, I think personally, like, the amount of tyrinobol he had was so small.

00:26:48.000 A lot of times, like, for certain compounds like tyrinobol, the only way you're going to get it is, like, underground.

00:26:54.000 Like, you're going to get it.

00:26:55.000 It's not a pharmaceutical product that's designed for, like, a clinical application.

00:26:59.000 So, you're going to get it designed by an underground lab who sells steroids to, you know, random bodybuilders or a chemist in, you know, China or something.

00:27:07.000 And you're kind of just banking on the fact that it's not going to be tainted.

00:27:10.000 They're going to use, like, clean equipment.

00:27:12.000 It's going to be whatever drug you're hoping to get.

00:27:15.000 And there are a lot of different scenarios that might, you know, explain it.

00:27:19.000 And there's different theories, like, I could have that could hypothetically.

00:27:22.000 Either one could be true, potentially.

00:27:24.000 But I think one of the options is a drug he thought he was getting that was potentially undetectable was tainted with serenable.

00:27:30.000 Hmm.

00:27:31.000 We're good to go.

00:28:04.000 Not hard training?

00:28:06.000 Because hard training does suppress it, right?

00:28:07.000 Yeah, but to the degree where he's literally like a female, probably not.

00:28:13.000 Really?

00:28:13.000 It was that bad?

00:28:14.000 Yeah, so normally the levels would be over 10 times what he had in general.

00:28:21.000 I'd have to pull it up to remember exactly, but he was like in the single digits for urinary testosterone, which otherwise should be like 60 plus or something.

00:28:30.000 He was like 4 or something.

00:28:32.000 And it was multiple data points of his testosterone being single digits to a point that would indicate significant suppression, in my opinion.

00:28:41.000 What could be another possible explanation for it, other than significant suppression?

00:28:46.000 Of the super low test levels?

00:28:49.000 I don't know, castration?

00:28:51.000 Really?

00:28:52.000 Is that bad? 0.98

00:28:53.000 Yeah, it was pretty fucking bad, dude. 0.98

00:28:55.000 It was like the equivalent of you only have your adrenal glands producing testosterone, basically. 1.00

00:28:59.000 Like your balls are essentially non-functional. 0.99

00:29:00.000 But explain this then. 0.98

00:29:02.000 If that's the case, then how would he perform well?

00:29:06.000 Because if he's going into a fight with his testosterone that low...

00:29:10.000 Because if you have a drug that's suppressing your system, the drug you're taking, presumably, is what is driving your performance vectors that you deem useful enough to use in competition.

00:29:21.000 So hypothetically, if I was using Terenabol...

00:29:24.000 Like, all those athletes in Russia or whatever using Terenabol, you're going to have some suppression of your testosterone levels, which, you know, on paper could inhibit performance, but you're using the drug to drive performance.

00:29:35.000 So even though your endogenous levels are lower, you're relying on this compound you're using that you deem useful enough to dope with, potentially.

00:29:44.000 So here's my question.

00:29:46.000 If they're using a test that's sophisticated enough to detect that he has these very low testosterone levels and he has this pulsing of terinobol, like where is the room for this compound that's going to significantly increase his performance?

00:30:02.000 Yeah, so let's just say, hypothetically, Terenabol or any random oral steroid is not, like, presumably, this isn't 100% factual, this is just speculating based on the levels and whatnot, but if he has a certain, even if he has crushed tests...

00:30:19.000 The room, if they're not looking for a certain drug that's not on their list, and you're using it, full board, whatever dose you want, because they can't detect it because they don't even know it exists, then that's going to be significantly performance enhancing.

00:30:32.000 Okay, so then we're talking about something like the Balco Clear, that kind of a deal?

00:30:36.000 Potentially.

00:30:38.000 So, see, the thing is, like, when they catch someone with something like what Victor Conte had come clean with that they use for Barry Bonds and all these different athletes, undetectable, you rub it on your skin, and no one knew what it was.

00:30:52.000 We think, oh, well, they caught that guy.

00:30:54.000 They're more sophisticated now.

00:30:55.000 You can't get away with that now.

00:30:56.000 Do you think it's possible there could be some new designer steroids or some new compound that's not on the list of things to be tested for because we don't even know it exists, but yet it is significantly enhancing performance?

00:31:11.000 Like the Clear.

00:31:12.000 If you don't have an assay developed for it, detecting it is...

00:31:17.000 You can't prove anything exists in the body if you don't have an assay to detect it.

00:31:21.000 So even though you have this elaborate list of steroids that are known about, if you have a novel drug and you don't know how to detect it, even if you have other markers that look fucked up, like it's testosterone levels in the gutter, there's no threshold amount where you pop because your test is in the gutter.

00:31:37.000 They look for high test.

00:31:38.000 They don't look for low.

00:31:40.000 So if you're really low randomly, they might be like, huh, that's weird, and keep an eye on it.

00:31:43.000 Maybe further...

00:31:47.000 We're good to go.

00:32:02.000 Probably be able to determine this compound derived from testosterone was manipulated and, you know, see something iffy and, you know, dig into it and get a perhaps find out pretty clear pretty soon what it is and retroactively, you know, penalize that guy.

00:32:18.000 But I do think there are novel agents being developed from the growth hormone side of things, EPO side of things, the testosterone, obviously, there's the carbon isotope ratio proof cholesterol derived testosterone, which you could also potentially argue the guy was Using basic TRT and came off and crashed his system at the time of the test or something.

00:32:37.000 There's a million different reasons, but ultimately seeing that level in his urine, testing for a random compound, having in the past tested positive for a fertility drug and an aromatase inhibitor you would only use in the context of drug use essentially, intentionally in most cases.

00:32:55.000 It's just like highly improbable. 0.87

00:32:56.000 I don't think that he's at least tried to do some shit to get around the system. 0.80

00:33:00.000 So, explain how someone would create something that would mimic the effects of hyperhuman levels of testosterone, but be a novel steroid, like a new compound. 0.91

00:33:14.000 Well, I think the main loopholes in testing at this point are through bioidentical compounds, so things that your body naturally produces.

00:33:21.000 So if you're trying to mimic the benefits of a high dose of testosterone, I think the main go-to, to be honest, is literal testosterone.

00:33:30.000 So I wouldn't even, I don't think people are often deferring to these, you know, oral agents that would shut you down and trying to design like a THG, the clear kind of thing.

00:33:40.000 I think they're using literal micro doses of actual testosterone, actual EPO, actual GH, things of that nature.

00:33:48.000 They're just micro dosing it throughout the day.

00:33:50.000 And the idea is that it diminishes quickly so that if you get tested, it's not going to show up.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, like I have studies that I could pull out.

00:33:58.000 Please do.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, so for right now, the detection of these things, if they're identical to what you naturally produce, it's kind of difficult to prove one way or the other.

00:34:10.000 Like at least with a synthetic drug, if you develop a test for it, you can prove retroactively you use something that should never be in your body.

00:34:17.000 But with testosterone, EPO, GH, etc., it's a lot more finicky because it's supposed to be there.

00:34:22.000 So, I think that, again, even with randomized testing 24 hours, you have to give a one-hour whereabouts of where you're going to be every single day.

00:34:33.000 Right.

00:34:33.000 Hypothetically, after that one-hour window, if you microdose, test, GH, EPO, all these bioidentical compounds, the likelihood that you're going to get detected is like...

00:34:43.000 It depends on the individual, and you would do this preliminary data going into your longitudinal testing beforehand, ideally.

00:34:49.000 I'm not saying how to do it or anything, I'm just, you know, hypothetically saying.

00:34:53.000 And you would kind of know beforehand what it looks like when you take this microdose of a compound and what it does to your, you know, detection parameters.

00:35:00.000 So you'd have someone who measures what it's like for you if you take it and you wait four hours, five hours, what have you.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, so like hypothetically, like there are studies that literally show people microdosing EPO and GH and getting away with it and almost nobody getting caught.

00:35:17.000 And then there are certain genetic polymorphisms that cause it to be nearly impossible to tell if somebody's using even megadoses of testosterone.

00:35:26.000 Really?

00:35:27.000 So this is just rare genetic anomalies?

00:35:29.000 Some of them, yeah.

00:35:30.000 So there's some individuals that have a genetic...

00:35:33.000 It's like they're literally missing the gene that encodes for the enzyme that excretes testosterone that they test in your urine.

00:35:39.000 So they test in your urine for testosterone, like glucuronidated testosterone.

00:35:45.000 They add glucuronic acid to the testosterone in your body.

00:35:50.000 That's a process that happens to allow you to, like...

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:36:15.000 That's crazy.

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:16.000 So, what do they do if they find out that that person has that gene?

00:36:21.000 That's why you have the biological passport, because you could assess over time what does your testosterone look like, and then they develop their own little, like, a much narrower and smaller threshold for red-flagging you.

00:36:34.000 Oh.

00:36:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:35.000 Goddamn, this is complicated. 0.99

00:36:37.000 How do you, what was your background in school? 0.98

00:36:40.000 Marketing.

00:36:41.000 Marketing?

00:36:42.000 Yeah.

00:36:43.000 Which was not useful whatsoever.

00:36:45.000 How do you know so much about this stuff? 1.00

00:36:47.000 Fucking nerd, dude. 1.00

00:36:48.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:36:49.000 Yeah.

00:36:50.000 So you just start reading it and getting into it, and you have just an ability to remember these things?

00:36:55.000 I used to be really into bodybuilding, much more so than I am now.

00:36:58.000 I'm still very into it, but not actively pursuing trying to gain stupid amounts of size or anything. 0.95

00:37:04.000 You used to be gigantic. 0.99

00:37:05.000 You used to do your shows on a tank top, and you have these fucking worlds on your shoulders, like moons. 0.99

00:37:11.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:37:12.000 So for me, just trying to figure out how to do that stuff, I've seen so many bodybuilders die in their 30s and 40s.

00:37:19.000 Yeah.

00:37:19.000 So, a lot of my research has been developed around, like, my research has been developed around trying to not die and live a long, healthy life while using things like testosterone, having a higher body weight than otherwise, you know, maybe optimal for longevity.

00:37:34.000 Right.

00:37:34.000 Stuff like that, and I don't know, I just find it, like, highly interesting.

00:37:37.000 I just, like, go down these rabbit holes of things and just end up learning about it.

00:37:41.000 I find it interesting, too, but I prefer to just listen to you talk about it and do my own research.

00:37:45.000 Yeah.

00:37:46.000 It's way easier.

00:37:47.000 We were talking before the podcast about athletes and actors and people who are carrying massive amounts of weight and what kind of a toll that takes on your body if you're a 300 pound, 8% body fat guy who's 50. Yeah.

00:38:06.000 Yeah.

00:38:07.000 No, yeah, there's a lot of guys that just don't talk about it.

00:38:12.000 I think it's weird that they don't talk about it.

00:38:15.000 Yeah, especially if you're, I don't know, I guess at the end of the day, even if you claim it's, oh, I'm just on medical prescribed testosterone, People ultimately know that it's not TRT limit levels, you know, if you're walking around at fucking the rock sides,

00:38:32.000 essentially.

00:38:33.000 Yeah, the rock's a great example, right?

00:38:35.000 I've always been real honest about it, because I've always been like, I just, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

00:38:42.000 Just like I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about doing mushrooms or smoking weed.

00:38:45.000 There's definitely a huge stigma around it, though, still.

00:38:48.000 Like, even...

00:38:48.000 I saw your podcast with Schaub and I think it was Hinchcliffe.

00:38:53.000 And he was like, you think The Rock's on steroids? 0.99

00:38:56.000 And you guys are like, what the fuck do you think, dude? 0.99

00:38:59.000 And he's like, really? 0.99

00:39:00.000 There's no way.

00:39:01.000 Don't they test in wrestling?

00:39:03.000 First of all, let me tell you something about Hinchcliffe.

00:39:05.000 I love him to death.

00:39:06.000 He's the best.

00:39:07.000 But he is the ultimate wrestling nerd.

00:39:10.000 He gets up to the precipice of believing it's real.

00:39:14.000 He is that guy. 0.99

00:39:16.000 He fucking loves it. 0.98

00:39:18.000 So for you to tell him that those guys are on steroids, you'd be like, what? 0.99

00:39:22.000 But he hangs around you guys, and he still at least has some sort of an inkling of perhaps people use testosterone for medical uses.

00:39:33.000 I think he uses it now.

00:39:34.000 Yeah, and he still, you know, thought that perspective.

00:39:37.000 So you imagine the layman who's just a random person.

00:39:39.000 Right. 0.99

00:39:40.000 Anyone who just watches a random The Rock movie is gonna, you know, just think, oh, this guy just fucking trains hard. 0.98

00:39:46.000 He definitely does train hard. 0.98

00:39:48.000 Oh, he does. 0.99

00:39:48.000 There's a lot of other shit involved as well. 0.99

00:39:52.000 I think a lot of the time, people don't want people to downplay their hard work, so they don't want to admit it. 0.97

00:40:00.000 Even bodybuilders who couldn't argue out of taking stuff because it's so obvious, they often will do this thing where they say the doses they use are lower because then it doesn't take away from the fact that they still train hard, they eat perfect, they're so meticulous about their sleep,

00:40:15.000 etc. 0.98

00:40:16.000 Which I sort of understand, but it's all fucking lying at all levels. 0.95

00:40:20.000 Yeah, it's just not worth it. 0.88

00:40:22.000 Especially when it comes to testosterone replacement therapy, because for me, I'm a person where if I find something that's beneficial, I want to tell everybody.

00:40:31.000 If I find something that works great for me, I just tell everybody.

00:40:36.000 And also, like... 0.95

00:40:38.000 My business is kind of okay to be a buffoon. 0.85

00:40:41.000 It actually helps me. 1.00

00:40:43.000 It helps me to be a moron. 1.00

00:40:45.000 It really does. 0.99

00:40:46.000 It's beneficial. 1.00

00:40:48.000 Especially if you're a self-admitted moron. 1.00

00:40:51.000 It's like a nice parachute that you can pull. 1.00

00:40:54.000 Oh yeah, it gives you a nice little chop out.

00:40:56.000 So when I talk about it, first of all I talk about it because everything that I find beneficial I feel like I have an obligation to tell people.

00:41:05.000 And the thing about the testosterone thing, it's like, I think it comes back from the Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, those guys getting caught doing steroids and everybody was so disappointed.

00:41:17.000 In baseball in particular, that was such a big deal. 0.97

00:41:21.000 If you got caught using steroids or in the Olympics or anything else, like, my God, you're a cheater.

00:41:28.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:41:30.000 I want you to think about this.

00:41:32.000 Why are they doing that stuff?

00:41:33.000 Well, they're doing that stuff because it works.

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:35.000 Well, you're not competing in the Olympics, okay?

00:41:39.000 It's not like there's some sort of a sanctioned competition where you have an unfair advantage over other people because you're taking testosterone replacement therapy and the normal 50-year-old guy is not.

00:41:49.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:41:50.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 And what do you think is going to happen in 10 years from now?

00:41:53.000 Well, 10 years from now, you're going to have another 10 years of low testosterone.

00:41:57.000 So during that time, you have a significant breakdown of your tendon strength, muscle tissue, bone density. 0.99

00:42:04.000 There's a lot of shit that's going to go wrong, man. 0.98

00:42:05.000 Or not. 1.00

00:42:07.000 Or not.

00:42:09.000 And that's why I always tell people, I'm your poster boy.

00:42:13.000 I'll tell you what I'm taking.

00:42:16.000 I'll tell you how it works.

00:42:17.000 I don't take a lot of stuff.

00:42:19.000 Yeah.

00:42:19.000 But I take it on a regular basis.

00:42:22.000 I get my blood worked on on a regular basis. 0.98

00:42:24.000 And I'm fucking super healthy. 0.98

00:42:26.000 Like, it works. 1.00

00:42:27.000 Like, when I was a kid, when you were 54 years old, you were fucking dead. 1.00

00:42:31.000 You were a dead man. 1.00

00:42:32.000 You weren't swinging kettlebells and hitting the bag and doing rounds and doing jujitsu and swimming and fucking working out like a crazy person. 1.00

00:42:39.000 But you can do that now. 0.99

00:42:40.000 You can do that now.

00:42:41.000 You get your heart checked.

00:42:42.000 Everything's great.

00:42:43.000 You're looking healthy.

00:42:44.000 That's possible today.

00:42:45.000 Yeah, I think the longevity of pro athletes has definitely become a bit more...

00:42:50.000 It seems like the careers are being extended a little bit too.

00:42:54.000 For sure.

00:42:54.000 Yeah.

00:42:55.000 But I think some of it is natural because of science, the understanding of nutrition and supplementation, hyperbaric chambers, all the things that are legal that people do implement.

00:43:05.000 There's a lot of legal things that you can do that can change your hormone profile.

00:43:11.000 Sauna's a big one.

00:43:12.000 There's a lot of different things that people do that do have a measurable effect on your ability to recover, your endocrine system to function correctly.

00:43:25.000 Sleep.

00:43:25.000 People know how valuable sleep is now.

00:43:28.000 It's literally like a performance-enhancing drug. 0.68

00:43:31.000 People that sleep four hours a day versus people that sleep eight hours a day, the markers are fucking astonishing.

00:43:37.000 Yeah, and back in the day, too, especially from the entrepreneurial side of things, people would always advocate this whole, like, sleep when you're dead, you know?

00:43:44.000 If you go to bed and sleep for six hours, you get an extra two hours of work that you wouldn't have otherwise.

00:43:49.000 Right.

00:43:49.000 Yeah, stuff like that was popularized.

00:43:52.000 Maybe, like, accidentally by guys like Gary Vee, for example. 0.97

00:43:57.000 He's just, like, the most hyper-aggressive fucking high-energy dude. 0.99

00:44:00.000 And you're just like, never fucking sleep. 1.00

00:44:02.000 Just, you know, kill it. 0.99

00:44:04.000 And nowadays, you know how deleterious that is to just, like, everything. 0.96

00:44:08.000 Including your actual efficiency when you're awake.

00:44:10.000 It's a big deal for me.

00:44:12.000 I mean, I'll tell you right now, I got five hours sleep last night, and I just did a workout with John Wolf over at Onnit.

00:44:17.000 Me and Bert Kreischer just worked out.

00:44:19.000 I'm wrecked.

00:44:21.000 My brain is like firing on six cylinders.

00:44:23.000 It's like...

00:44:25.000 But if I get a good eight-hour sleep and I come in, if I needed to do something where I had to be at my fucking very best, like some super complicated podcast with a shady character, and I had to have all my resources and all my research at my fingertips so I could just pull it out at any moment,

00:44:47.000 I would make sure that I got a lot of sleep and didn't work out that day.

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:51.000 Like if I'm doing two shows in a night, I won't work out hard during the day.

00:44:54.000 I'll have a light workout.

00:44:55.000 I'll do like 45 minutes of cardio or something.

00:44:58.000 Two shows.

00:45:00.000 Something easy. 1.00

00:45:00.000 That must be fucking insane. 1.00

00:45:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:02.000 Yeah, it's like...

00:45:04.000 Because they're at nighttime, too, which is like the tail end of the day where your brain is at the lowest part.

00:45:10.000 I used to do three shows. 0.99

00:45:11.000 Three shows are rough, because the third show, you don't remember what the fuck you've said. 0.98

00:45:15.000 Because they all blend into each other. 0.97

00:45:18.000 Because it's like, when you're on stage doing stand-up, it's almost like you're in a trance.

00:45:22.000 And then you're in this trance for the third time in the night.

00:45:25.000 You're like, what am I talking about?

00:45:26.000 Did I already say this?

00:45:27.000 Yeah.

00:45:28.000 Especially if you don't have a rigid set list of all the bits and how you're going to say them and when you're going to say them.

00:45:36.000 It can be a problem.

00:45:37.000 Do you have a cognitive stack you use for shows?

00:45:41.000 Yes.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, I do.

00:45:42.000 I have a bunch of stuff.

00:45:43.000 One, I really like this NeuroGum.

00:45:46.000 You ever use that stuff?

00:45:47.000 I think it rings a bell.

00:45:48.000 We have some over here.

00:45:50.000 It was a sponsor at one point in time.

00:45:52.000 I buy a lot of it on Amazon.

00:45:53.000 Another stuff is one thing that my company Onnit makes is AlphaBrain.

00:45:57.000 This is the new one, AlphaBrain Black Label.

00:46:00.000 I'll give you some of it.

00:46:01.000 Awesome.

00:46:02.000 Take it.

00:46:02.000 I'll give you a fresh one.

00:46:03.000 That's my bottle.

00:46:04.000 Yeah, I actually formulate nootropics for my company too, so this stuff highly interests me.

00:46:08.000 What do you use?

00:46:10.000 What's your stack that you formulate?

00:46:13.000 The company I have, it's called Gorilla Mind, and the product is basically based around probably a lot of the same stuff, but cholinergics mainly.

00:46:21.000 Acetylcholine?

00:46:22.000 Yeah, so having alpha-GPC, I find the most bioavailable form of choline that actually crosses the blood-brain barrier, and then acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that inhibit the breakdown of acetylcholine, so you could use, like, hupergine A is a good one.

00:46:33.000 Right.

00:46:34.000 And I have things like ginkgo, bacopa, stuff like that, and then dopamine precursors I like to put in there, too, and basically just...

00:46:41.000 Have it so your brain is as mentally sharp, capable of retaining information, memory formations at its peak, all that kind of stuff.

00:46:51.000 What's your product called?

00:46:52.000 Gorilla Mind.

00:46:53.000 Oh, it's called Gorilla Mind.

00:46:54.000 Yeah.

00:46:54.000 So do you take this before podcasts, before you do your video podcasts?

00:46:59.000 Yeah, I take it pretty much every day.

00:47:01.000 And you take it, say if you want to do something and be at your peak, take it an hour, two hours before?

00:47:06.000 What's your...

00:47:07.000 For me, yeah.

00:47:09.000 I'll usually do like an hour beforehand-ish.

00:47:11.000 I'll usually combine it with some sort of stimulant, either just caffeine through a coffee or an energy drink if I want.

00:47:21.000 Sometimes I have sleep apnea, so I've been prescribing modafinil for a long time too.

00:47:26.000 What have you done for your sleep apnea?

00:47:29.000 CPAP. Oh man, those things suck, don't they? 0.99

00:47:32.000 They're kind of annoying to have to wear, but I'm so used to it at this point that it's just part of my routine. 0.96

00:47:39.000 I have a mouthpiece that I wear that keeps my tongue from falling back.

00:47:44.000 A lot of the thick neck guys like you, what happens is your tongue falls back because you have all this extra tissue.

00:47:51.000 Around your neck, so your tongue will fall back and cover your air hole. 0.78

00:47:54.000 That's why you choke and snore real loud. 0.78

00:47:56.000 Well, this tongue depressor, it's like a mouthpiece, and it holds my tongue down, so it keeps my airway open.

00:48:02.000 Oh, nice.

00:48:02.000 It's amazing.

00:48:03.000 Yeah, I think that's one of the most overlooked silent killers of...

00:48:08.000 Muscular guys.

00:48:09.000 Yes. 0.96

00:48:09.000 And fat people. 0.96

00:48:10.000 Yep. 1.00

00:48:11.000 Yeah, because you don't even know you're getting fucked up in your sleep. 0.99

00:48:14.000 You wake up and you just feel terrible. 0.98

00:48:17.000 Like I used to go to university classes and sit there and not understand why I'd fall asleep after five minutes every day.

00:48:22.000 Right. 0.91

00:48:23.000 And the, you know, the lecturer just thought I was a shitty student. 0.72

00:48:26.000 But in reality, my sleep was just atrocious the entire time.

00:48:29.000 Yeah.

00:48:29.000 And the CPAP is a game changer for me because otherwise, you know, I was getting, I don't know, like...

00:48:35.000 I forgot how many episodes of apneas I was having per hour, but it was exorbitant to the point that I probably would be dead by now if I didn't get a CPAP otherwise.

00:48:42.000 So when you got this machine, did you struggle to sleep with it on your face for a while? 0.61

00:48:47.000 Well, when you first start, yeah, because you're not used to something blowing air into your airway and strapped to your head, so I'd often wake up and just be fucking chucked across the room or whatever. 0.53

00:48:56.000 But some people, they don't get used to it.

00:48:59.000 They don't try to get used to it. 0.98

00:49:00.000 They just do it a couple nights, and they say, this thing sucks. 0.98

00:49:03.000 Who wants this? 0.99

00:49:04.000 Some single guys have this idea that girls are going to think it's weird and shit when you show up and you have the CPAP machine. 0.97

00:49:12.000 It is kind of weird. 0.86

00:49:14.000 I've never had experience with that, though, personally.

00:49:15.000 So when you go over a girl's house and you're going to spend the night, you bring a vacuum cleaner with you? 0.90

00:49:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:21.000 And that's the thing, too, is, like, it's kind of presumptuous, because if a chick... 1.00

00:49:25.000 You can't really get around implying you think you're going to be staying at her place with a new chick if you have a fucking machine in your car. 0.99

00:49:34.000 That blows air, you know? 0.99

00:49:36.000 She's like, what's this thing for?

00:49:37.000 Like, do you think that this is, like...

00:49:39.000 Right, right, right.

00:49:40.000 If she wants to snuggle and you're over there like Darth Vader...

00:49:42.000 Yeah.

00:49:43.000 But if you don't do that, then you're literally going to be choking in her face.

00:49:47.000 Right, right, right.

00:49:47.000 So, you pick.

00:49:49.000 And one of them kills you quick, and one of them keeps you alive.

00:49:52.000 And how much of a difference did it make once you started using it?

00:49:54.000 Night and day.

00:49:55.000 Night and day.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 Energy levels.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:58.000 Everything.

00:49:58.000 Like, I wore a pulse oximeter, and that's how you assess if you have sleep apnea or not.

00:50:03.000 And if you are...

00:50:04.000 Even like a healthy guy otherwise, and you're lean, even if you're fucking shredded, if you're a big guy, highly recommend a sleep study to anyone, because it's something that, even sometimes significant others, they may just think you're a horrible snorer, and they just go in another room maybe to get away from you,

00:50:20.000 and they just think that's how you sleep, and you're just annoying and loud.

00:50:23.000 But you might literally be dying in your sleep, gasping for air.

00:50:26.000 Like, I used to wake up.

00:50:27.000 Sit up and gasp for air because I was literally at the point of about to pass out and my body wakes me up and makes me breathe.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, I had been there too.

00:50:35.000 I remember I was on a plane once and there was a guy behind me, it was a long flight, I think it was an international flight, there was a guy behind me, he was a big guy, very overweight, and he was holding his breath, choking for like 15-20 seconds at a time.

00:50:52.000 So he's like laying back like, And then he gets up.

00:51:00.000 Eventually I go, hey man.

00:51:01.000 I go, do you know that you choke in your sleep?

00:51:04.000 And he's like, what?

00:51:05.000 What do you mean?

00:51:06.000 I go, you have sleep apnea.

00:51:08.000 I go, listen to me.

00:51:09.000 I have sleep apnea too.

00:51:10.000 You gotta listen to me.

00:51:11.000 You gotta go to a doctor. 1.00

00:51:12.000 I go, this is fucking you up. 1.00

00:51:14.000 I go, you tired all the time? 0.99

00:51:15.000 He's like, oh my god, I'm tired all the time.

00:51:17.000 I go, that's why.

00:51:18.000 You're not getting any sleep.

00:51:19.000 But it was wild to watch someone.

00:51:21.000 How often do you watch a guy sleep?

00:51:23.000 But on a plane, you watch people sleep.

00:51:25.000 I recorded myself before I got diagnosed when I finally knew what this was and I listened to the audio and it was terrifying, dude.

00:51:34.000 Yeah, you're just sitting there and all of a sudden you're like literally gasping.

00:51:38.000 Yeah.

00:51:39.000 There's ways you can sleep where it's not as bad, right?

00:51:42.000 Like you can sleep on your side.

00:51:43.000 I always felt like one of those massage tables would be the move.

00:51:47.000 Like sleep with your face.

00:51:48.000 So you can lie on your face.

00:51:49.000 Yeah, sleep with your face.

00:51:51.000 With the mask thing, I can't lie on my stomach like I used to because the thing will get pushed out of my airway.

00:51:56.000 Right, right.

00:51:57.000 So yeah, that might not be a bad idea.

00:51:58.000 How do you lie?

00:51:59.000 Sideways?

00:52:00.000 On my back, which gets annoying because sometimes you want to roll on your side and then it can be...

00:52:05.000 You can, but it's like...

00:52:07.000 It knocks off your face.

00:52:08.000 Sometimes, yeah.

00:52:09.000 You could use the full face mask, which is pretty much impossible to knock off, but that makes a bunch of lines on your face and it encourages mouth breathing, which otherwise is...

00:52:18.000 There's research that's come out that implies that's bad for performance and just longevity and whatnot.

00:52:23.000 Yeah, mouth breathing is supposed to be bad for you.

00:52:25.000 Does your sleep apnea change if you breathe out of your nose?

00:52:31.000 Like if I use a nose mask versus a face one?

00:52:34.000 Yeah.

00:52:35.000 No, the quality is the same because it's manually putting the amount of pressure I need to oxygenate me, but it encourages that subconscious mouth breathing that otherwise carries into your day.

00:52:48.000 So you use a nose one?

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:51.000 So what does it look like?

00:52:53.000 It's just like a big long tube that connects to the machine that's on the ground and then it has this just like a strap that goes on your head up here.

00:53:01.000 It's a pretty thin strap here and here.

00:53:03.000 It has these little nasal pillows that you just like put into your nose and it's maybe like this big.

00:53:08.000 And do you tape your mouth shut?

00:53:11.000 I used to, but the tape never adhered properly to me.

00:53:17.000 Me neither.

00:53:18.000 It always fell off. 0.96

00:53:18.000 And I always wondered, like, how the fuck does anyone use this stuff? 0.96

00:53:21.000 I think it's a beard thing. 0.94

00:53:22.000 Yeah, but even when I was clean-shaven, it didn't work for me.

00:53:24.000 Really?

00:53:25.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 Maybe try duct tape. 0.86

00:53:27.000 Yeah, I actually use this thing now.

00:53:31.000 I just remembered, actually.

00:53:32.000 It's called...

00:53:34.000 So I have the strap for the CPAP mask, which is the nose thing, and then I have another strap that goes around my chin to keep it locked.

00:53:40.000 Oh, to keep your mouth shut.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, because the tape wasn't working, so I looked for a chin strap.

00:53:45.000 How do those work?

00:53:46.000 It just ties around your head, so you have a strap here, a strap here.

00:53:49.000 Yeah, I know how it works.

00:53:50.000 I mean, how effective is it?

00:53:52.000 Very.

00:53:52.000 Really?

00:53:53.000 Yeah, and I find it better than tape.

00:53:55.000 Oh, so that's your move now.

00:53:56.000 Chin strap, nose plug. 1.00

00:53:58.000 Yeah, so it's quite the fucking setup. 0.99

00:54:01.000 And it does look ridiculous, so I can see why some guys don't want to do it, especially around women, but ultimately, they'll understand if they like you enough. 0.98

00:54:10.000 It changes your life, though, ultimately.

00:54:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:12.000 It is a big game changer.

00:54:14.000 I remember I was always tired, and then I got it done.

00:54:17.000 Well, two things I got done.

00:54:18.000 One, I got my nose fixed.

00:54:19.000 I had a deviated septum most of my life.

00:54:22.000 I've highly considered getting that fixed, too, based on what you said, because you said it was very significant.

00:54:28.000 Oh, my God.

00:54:28.000 It changed everything.

00:54:30.000 There were so many people that warned me about empty nose syndrome and, like, weird shit that might happen when you do it.

00:54:36.000 What's that mean? 0.97

00:54:37.000 Apparently, when you...

00:54:39.000 Or is that...

00:54:40.000 No, that's for a turbinate reduction.

00:54:42.000 I got turbinate reduction.

00:54:43.000 Yeah, so that, apparently, if it's too dramatic, it gets to a point where you can't even feel the inside of your nose or something, and it feels like it's empty because all the stuff in there is just gone.

00:54:55.000 I can't imagine what it's like because it's never happened to me, but people say it's...

00:55:00.000 The worst thing ever and it makes them suicidal from how it feels.

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:05.000 There's some like real weird YouTube videos about guys talking about how they got their deviated septum fixed and the turbinate reduction and their lives have been ruined.

00:55:12.000 Whoa.

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 So it made me kind of think about it.

00:55:15.000 Empty nose syndrome.

00:55:17.000 Like you feel like there's a hole in the middle of your face?

00:55:19.000 Like that kind of a deal?

00:55:20.000 Maybe.

00:55:21.000 I don't know.

00:55:22.000 Speaking of which, do you ever follow any of these guys that do like wild body modification projects?

00:55:29.000 Yes, over the years I've probably done videos on a few of them.

00:55:33.000 There's this one guy, I don't know if you've ever heard of him, the Black Alien Project.

00:55:36.000 Have you ever seen this?

00:55:38.000 Maybe.

00:55:38.000 I might have.

00:55:39.000 Jamie.

00:55:41.000 Go to the Instagram and look up the Black Alien Project.

00:55:44.000 This guy recently just got two of his fingers removed so he could turn one of his hands into a claw.

00:55:49.000 He's going to do both hands.

00:55:50.000 He's just going to get one and then he's going to heal up and then get the other one done.

00:55:54.000 I forget what country he's from.

00:55:55.000 It's a different country.

00:55:56.000 What is he?

00:55:57.000 It says France.

00:55:58.000 France.

00:55:58.000 So his entire body is covered, attached.

00:56:00.000 Jesus, fuck. 1.00

00:56:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:03.000 His eyes are tattooed.

00:56:05.000 He's got, like, implants all over his head.

00:56:08.000 He got the tip of his nose removed so that there's these openings that go straight into his head.

00:56:15.000 And then his left hand, where you're seeing right now, you see all his fingers.

00:56:18.000 Now he got those two fingers removed.

00:56:22.000 Yeah, that's what his hand looks like now. 1.00

00:56:24.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 0.99

00:56:26.000 Sometimes I wonder when it comes to nature versus nurture of being a parent, like how much it's just you're predetermined to be your brain chemistry a certain way versus how you're raised. 1.00

00:56:37.000 Like how do I avoid having my kid do this, you know?

00:56:40.000 I don't know if you can.

00:56:42.000 I mean, I think if you...

00:56:45.000 I don't know.

00:56:46.000 I would imagine this has got to be some abuse.

00:56:49.000 Someone had to abuse him.

00:56:50.000 I can't imagine that this is just normal brain chemistry. 1.00

00:56:54.000 Also, what kind of a fucking doctor removes your fingers? 0.99

00:56:57.000 And how expensive is this, too? 1.00

00:56:58.000 Imagine the amount of resources of your income you're allocating towards these procedures with the amount of shit he's done. 0.97

00:57:04.000 The thing about removing the fingers, too, is how ethical is that? 0.97

00:57:08.000 If you're a doctor, you're removing fully functional fingers.

00:57:11.000 Must be like an elaborate thing you have to sign.

00:57:14.000 I mean, maybe.

00:57:15.000 He's in France. 0.99

00:57:16.000 Maybe they don't give a fuck over there. 1.00

00:57:18.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:57:19.000 Have a croissant and sit down. 1.00

00:57:20.000 I'm going to cut your fingers off. 1.00

00:57:21.000 I've seen the real-life Ken doll. 0.99

00:57:23.000 He looks like a human still.

00:57:25.000 Yeah, that is bizarre.

00:57:27.000 And he doesn't look anything like Ken at the end of the day.

00:57:30.000 No.

00:57:31.000 But he has, like, fake abs, fake chest, fake everything, and...

00:57:34.000 Yeah.

00:57:35.000 So that was what the guy used to look like.

00:57:37.000 He was a handsome guy, which is crazy.

00:57:39.000 Yeah, that's wild.

00:57:39.000 Look at him.

00:57:40.000 He's a fucking good-looking guy. 1.00

00:57:42.000 And then, now, he's this freak. 1.00

00:57:45.000 Oh, Jesus, look at that picture.

00:57:47.000 Like, what is he doing with his lips?

00:57:48.000 Is that new?

00:57:50.000 That's crazy.

00:57:51.000 Look what he used to look like.

00:57:53.000 He's a good-looking dude.

00:57:55.000 Like, I gotta imagine, there's like, there's body dysmorphia involved in that.

00:58:00.000 I mean, there's some armchair psychology here.

00:58:03.000 Whoa, what is that?

00:58:03.000 That's what he's getting the claw tattooed into, I think.

00:58:06.000 This is from his Instagram story, it looks like.

00:58:08.000 So, before and after.

00:58:10.000 So, he got the fingers removed, so now is he gonna get the bones removed that are at the base of the hand to make it look like that?

00:58:18.000 Like, that's the only way he's gonna achieve that look.

00:58:21.000 I must have.

00:58:22.000 Oh, criminy.

00:58:23.000 Wolf.

00:58:25.000 Okay, Black Alien Project Evolution, it says 25%. 0.98

00:58:29.000 So now he's at before, and he's got a Kickstarter, so you can help him pay?

00:58:35.000 Oh my god.

00:58:35.000 I don't know what this is about.

00:58:37.000 Is that real?

00:58:37.000 No, no, no.

00:58:38.000 It's on a Kickstarter?

00:58:39.000 No.

00:58:40.000 So I guess he wants to not just remove those last two fingers, but remove all the bones that connect to the wrist from the actual palm of the hand.

00:58:51.000 Look at that face.

00:58:52.000 That's so crazy, dude.

00:58:53.000 He's wearing a bra?

00:58:54.000 Sure he's got a bra on.

00:58:56.000 Super bra.

00:58:57.000 Says bra. 1.00

00:59:01.000 Jamie's looking at all the weird shit about him. 1.00

00:59:04.000 He's like, hey, is that a bra? 1.00

00:59:06.000 Out of all the weird shit this guy's got out of the bras, it freaks you out. 0.99

00:59:10.000 Yeah, that body dysmorphia is a very strange anomaly. 0.99

00:59:15.000 Like, I was in Hawaii last week, and there was this one lady that came out of the water, and we were looking at her like, oh my god, this poor lady. 0.98

00:59:26.000 Like, what does she think she looks like?

00:59:28.000 She was a skeleton. 0.99

00:59:30.000 Like, there's no question at all that this lady had some sort of anorexia. 1.00

00:59:34.000 So she was walking around like a skeleton.

00:59:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:38.000 It was disturbing as fuck. 0.98

00:59:40.000 Because, like, she probably thinks she looks good. 1.00

00:59:42.000 Or maybe she even thinks she looks fat. 0.97

00:59:45.000 Yeah, there's this girl on YouTube, her name's like Eugenia Cooney.

00:59:48.000 I don't know if you've ever seen her before, but she's probably the biggest YouTuber who's anorexic, I guess.

00:59:54.000 And just her entire comment section is inundated with people saying, like, this is bad, gain weight, you look, you know, this is scary.

01:00:02.000 And she just gets, from the start of her YouTube channel to current, she's gotten progressively more skinny to the point that she's like a bone rack. 1.00

01:00:10.000 And she still posts videos regularly, and she has millions of subscribers, and her entire comment section is just telling her how bad this is. 0.98

01:00:17.000 There's a mental disorder. 0.96

01:00:18.000 Does she read it? 0.80

01:00:19.000 She must be very aware of how people think about it, because people make videos about it all the time, too.

01:00:25.000 About her being scared?

01:00:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:27.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:00:30.000 You want to pull that up? 0.99

01:00:31.000 Post it up so we can see this lady. 1.00

01:00:33.000 Oh, no!

01:00:35.000 Oh, my God!

01:00:36.000 That's crazy!

01:00:38.000 Yeah.

01:00:39.000 Oh my god!

01:00:41.000 See, look at all the comments, just the top ones.

01:00:46.000 Wow.

01:00:47.000 I'm genuinely impressed that she's still alive at this point.

01:00:50.000 All I can say is God bless, to be honest.

01:00:54.000 God bless, huh?

01:00:55.000 Yeah, that's atrocious.

01:00:56.000 That's crazy, man.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, and what's wild is if you go on her YouTube and you sort by oldest to newest, you can actually see she was still obviously underweight in the first video, but it gets...

01:01:11.000 Is this her first video?

01:01:12.000 No, that's 2021. God damn it, dude. 0.99

01:01:14.000 Dude, they took away dislikes, which is fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:01:17.000 Isn't that weird? 0.96

01:01:17.000 Yeah, so now you can't see how downvoted her videos are to reflect the opinion of how people think of her body composition choices. 0.96

01:01:25.000 So that's her first video.

01:01:27.000 2013. That's pretty thin, but fairly normal.

01:01:32.000 She's just a skinny girl. 1.00

01:01:34.000 Yeah, at that point you're like, okay, you're like borderline...

01:01:37.000 Emaciated. 0.99

01:01:38.000 Yeah, well, she's pretty fucking emaciated. 1.00

01:01:40.000 Look how tiny her legs are. 1.00

01:01:42.000 God, that's crazy.

01:01:43.000 Imagine walking around like that. 1.00

01:01:44.000 No, it looks like you're just going to fucking snap and fall over. 0.98

01:01:47.000 Yeah, like a good breeze. 0.99

01:01:49.000 But at least it looks like she eats a little.

01:01:51.000 Whereas now she looks like she's genuinely starving to death. 0.99

01:01:55.000 Yeah, so if you start by...

01:01:57.000 God, now she looks like a poor girl. 1.00

01:02:00.000 And it's a disease. 1.00

01:02:01.000 It's very similar to what bodybuilders have or what women have when they get like triple J tits. 1.00

01:02:08.000 You know, when they go off the deep end and they just keep getting bigger and bigger implants and then they crush beer cans with them. 0.78

01:02:14.000 Yeah, with bodybuilders it's wild too because it's almost like the opposite extreme where you actually are aware you're killing yourself very quickly while you're doing it.

01:02:24.000 Yeah, like you still want to walk around at like 260 plus, even though you know how stressful it is on all your organ systems, your heart.

01:02:31.000 You just want to look jacked.

01:02:32.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 Above all.

01:02:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:35.000 It's such a strange thing.

01:02:36.000 Some guys like Dorian Yates, they get out of bodybuilding and then they become healthy.

01:02:42.000 I commend guys like that so much who had...

01:02:46.000 Because it's one thing to realize something is unhealthy and fix it, but when your entire...

01:02:52.000 Persona is built around this physique and you're like superhuman, to watch it literally disintegrate and be mentally okay with it, that takes a very strong willpower in my opinion.

01:03:03.000 Well, it's a shift of perception and consciousness, right?

01:03:06.000 Because you can no longer think of yourself as this gorilla.

01:03:09.000 You have to think of yourself as a normal human.

01:03:11.000 I'm a normal human now.

01:03:12.000 Dorian has a great perspective.

01:03:14.000 He's a really interesting guy.

01:03:16.000 Have you ever talked to him?

01:03:17.000 No, I've seen your episodes.

01:03:18.000 He was great.

01:03:19.000 I really enjoyed talking to him.

01:03:21.000 He's super down-to-earth, really easy to talk to.

01:03:24.000 And, you know, he basically, his mindset was when he was a bodybuilder, he was going to work harder than anybody. 0.93

01:03:30.000 He was just going to get fucking massive, just absolutely enormous and huge, crush everybody. 0.99

01:03:36.000 And then when he was done, he was like, all right, fuck this. 1.00

01:03:38.000 I'm done with this. 0.99

01:03:39.000 Yeah, it's wild being able to shift your perspective that dramatically where you're like, the physique is just for competing.

01:03:44.000 Yep.

01:03:45.000 And you can't get away from the comments of people saying you're smaller, too.

01:03:48.000 Like, even for me in my comment section, if it's, you know, the difference between me at peak versus now, it's, oh, Derek, you stopped caring about muscle.

01:03:57.000 Oh, what happened?

01:03:57.000 And it's like, it's not like I was a bodybuilder level competing at, you know, a pro level or anything like that.

01:04:04.000 And he was literally the pinnacle of the sport, 260, 70, fucking shredded. 0.97

01:04:08.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:04:08.000 He was one of the biggest ever. 0.97

01:04:09.000 He was so massive.

01:04:11.000 Yeah, and he lost like 70 pounds or something.

01:04:13.000 He looks like a normal athlete now.

01:04:15.000 Like a normal guy who's athletic. 0.99

01:04:18.000 But he's got a lot of muscle problems, joint problems, his shoulders are kind of fucked. 0.99

01:04:23.000 These guys, the worst I've ever seen, though, is Ronnie Coleman, who's a fucking great guy. 0.99

01:04:30.000 He's got a great attitude about it all. 0.98

01:04:34.000 They always say, Ronnie, would you do anything differently?

01:04:37.000 Yeah, I'd lift more weights.

01:04:39.000 He doesn't have any regrets at all.

01:04:43.000 I think he said at one point in time, I forget the number of actual back surgeries, but it's very high.

01:04:49.000 It's more than 10, I believe.

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:04:51.000 And his whole back is essentially fused, and there's massive scar tissue and inflammation.

01:04:56.000 He has trouble walking. 0.99

01:04:58.000 The nerves are all impinged, and it's all fucked. 0.98

01:05:02.000 That's the brutal thing too when you get to that size is progressive overload, you get to a point where you're forced to use weights that are so exorbitant to overload because you're way too strong that it's impossible to not literally fucking dismantle your entire infrastructure while you're supporting those loads because you're squatting hundreds and hundreds of pounds, 0.97

01:05:22.000 benching hundreds and hundreds, doing this and this, and your bones can't just adapt and be totally fine.

01:05:29.000 And your discs.

01:05:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:30.000 And your tendons and the cartilage in your shoulders and your labrums.

01:05:35.000 Everything's getting destroyed.

01:05:37.000 Yeah.

01:05:37.000 It's so crazy.

01:05:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:39.000 And they can't fucking help it. 0.99

01:05:41.000 They just fucking... 0.99

01:05:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:43.000 Like that rich piano guy.

01:05:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:05:46.000 That was a wild one, right?

01:05:47.000 The guys who try to retain their size going like 40 plus almost always end up kicking the can real quick.

01:05:55.000 He was big.

01:05:56.000 Yeah.

01:05:57.000 Yeah.

01:05:57.000 And weird, right?

01:05:58.000 Because he's not really a professional bodybuilder, right?

01:06:15.000 Loved the lifestyle so much that, and his brand was built around it, again, the problem of being one of these guys, like The Rock, where your entire persona is built around your presence, and you just end up retaining it into an age where you can no longer support the drug use,

01:06:31.000 the body weight, etc., and...

01:06:32.000 Yeah, like what else do you do when you're a 300 pound tattooed up bodybuilder guy and everybody's like, dude, you're a freak, you're a freak. 0.56

01:06:43.000 Like everything was, he was a freak, you know?

01:06:45.000 Is there videos of him competing?

01:06:47.000 Yeah, if you type in Rich Piana bodybuilding competition, you'll probably find him competing.

01:06:52.000 I think it was like a California state show or something.

01:06:55.000 Was he all tattooed up back then?

01:06:56.000 Not as much, no.

01:06:58.000 And he didn't have the PMMA injections yet.

01:07:00.000 What's that mean?

01:07:01.000 He got like implants in his arms, I think.

01:07:03.000 What?

01:07:04.000 Yeah.

01:07:05.000 Oh, so that's him bodybuilding.

01:07:06.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:07:07.000 He looked pretty fucking good. 0.51

01:07:08.000 Yeah, if you click that Reddit one, second to the left in the second row, that one, that's pretty solid, dude. 0.94

01:07:14.000 Yeah, man.

01:07:15.000 He looked great.

01:07:16.000 Yeah.

01:07:16.000 But then if you look at more...

01:07:18.000 But what's wrong with his genetics there?

01:07:20.000 That looks like...

01:07:21.000 Well, when he's on stage, it's just...

01:07:25.000 It could be conditioning.

01:07:28.000 It could be the lack of a developed back.

01:07:30.000 There's a million reasons why he might not go pro, but that's his arms post...

01:07:35.000 Implants in Mexico, apparently.

01:07:36.000 So he put implants in his arms.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, apparently.

01:07:42.000 What kind of implants does someone...

01:07:44.000 Like, go down to that lower right...

01:07:45.000 Yeah, that one right there.

01:07:47.000 What's going on with those arms?

01:07:48.000 It was called a PMMA, I think.

01:07:51.000 P-M-M-A. Yeah. 1.00

01:07:53.000 You'd have to Google that because I forget exactly what it is, but that is what I think he had done.

01:08:01.000 At least that's the circulating rumor. 0.99

01:08:03.000 It looks like he's constantly about to take a shit. 1.00

01:08:08.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:08:09.000 So what do they do in terms of putting an implant in your arm?

01:08:15.000 It's like plastic or what is it?

01:08:17.000 Like a breast implant type thing? 0.99

01:08:20.000 Probably, but I'd be talking on my ass, so you might want to just type in PMMA and see what it is on the Google result. 0.99

01:08:27.000 What is that? 0.97

01:08:28.000 Is that a picture before and after?

01:08:31.000 Or maybe just type in, what is PMMA? But that, Jamie, if you just back up to where you just were, it said Rich Piana's girlfriend shows pictures before PMMA oil.

01:08:41.000 Oh, it's oil.

01:08:43.000 Like synthol.

01:08:44.000 You have to...

01:08:45.000 No?

01:08:46.000 I would not trust the random person who uploaded that.

01:08:50.000 Oh, okay.

01:08:51.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 That's the problem with the internet.

01:08:54.000 But before you do that, scroll down real quick.

01:08:57.000 Right there, that picture with the tank top.

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.000 That does not look normal.

01:09:01.000 No.

01:09:02.000 Like, those arms, they look inflated.

01:09:07.000 Like, the triceps, they don't look normal size.

01:09:09.000 Yeah, that's what happens when you do...

01:09:11.000 Oil.

01:09:12.000 Sinfall is one thing where you do inject just sterile oil in such a bolus amount that it eventually stretches the fascia of the muscle, and you can, you know, manipulate the shape of body parts, and a lot of pro bodybuilders do it, but PMMA is literally like a filler,

01:09:27.000 apparently.

01:09:28.000 So there's the term.

01:09:30.000 How do you say that?

01:09:37.000 Polymethylmethacrylate?

01:09:38.000 Is that it?

01:09:39.000 Jamie, help me out.

01:09:40.000 I think you hit all those syllables there.

01:09:41.000 If you go to PMMA before and after, maybe we'll see other examples of what people use it for.

01:09:47.000 A lot of images. 0.96

01:09:49.000 They use it in their dicks? 1.00

01:09:50.000 You gotta get a fat hog, bro. 1.00

01:09:52.000 Just put that PMMA in it. 1.00

01:09:54.000 You get your fat booty, too. 0.98

01:09:55.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:09:56.000 That girl's getting in her booty. 1.00

01:09:57.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

01:09:58.000 I watched some video that was horrific of this woman who had ass cancer that she got from butt implants. 1.00

01:10:07.000 Some chick died recently. 0.99

01:10:09.000 Some mega-influencer who got butt implants. 1.00

01:10:11.000 Really? 0.92

01:10:12.000 Oh, God!

01:10:15.000 Removal of silicone hydrogel biopolymer synthol. 0.99

01:10:20.000 Oh my god, her ass rejected it, and there's this rotting necrotic tissue. 1.00

01:10:26.000 I'm not showing that picture, by the way. 0.99

01:10:27.000 Don't show that picture, but show that one next to you with that booty with that girl's on it right there. 1.00

01:10:31.000 Maybe it's worth it. 0.83

01:10:34.000 I find they look disproportionately out of balance to a point that it's not, you know, you can tell something's fucking off. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Well, a girl with a big ass that also has big thighs is hot. 1.00

01:10:44.000 That's like a gnat. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Oh, Jesus!

01:10:47.000 What am I looking at there?

01:10:50.000 So that's a girl who's got the injections and had a body rejected it. 1.00

01:10:54.000 Now her legs are destroyed. 0.94

01:10:56.000 It's just lazy.

01:10:57.000 Just do squats. 1.00

01:10:59.000 But the thing is, it takes so long for a woman to develop a big ass and big legs. 1.00

01:11:05.000 And if they want to... 0.99

01:11:07.000 I could imagine, because some of them just want a fat ass, and to get that amount of size, you might otherwise need to make the rest of your body a size you don't want it to be to get to that point. 1.00

01:11:17.000 So I understand why they might want the injections, but... 0.99

01:11:20.000 Right, you have to get your shoulders bigger, your back bigger.

01:11:23.000 Yeah, and most chicks don't want that. 1.00

01:11:25.000 Right.

01:11:26.000 Well, it is weird.

01:11:27.000 Yeah.

01:11:28.000 When a girl looks like she might be able to wrestle you to the ground. 1.00

01:11:31.000 Yeah.

01:11:32.000 It's uncomfortable.

01:11:33.000 Yeah.

01:11:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:36.000 But a girl with a big ass, like a muscular big ass, and big thighs is hot. 1.00

01:11:40.000 But when they have a big ass, and then they have little legs that don't feel like they can support them, then it looks like a diaper. 1.00

01:11:46.000 Like you're wearing a diaper. 1.00

01:11:47.000 You have diaper butt. 1.00

01:11:48.000 Yeah, I don't get how they can't tell that it looks... 1.00

01:11:51.000 Like, I guess once you've done it, you're fucked because you already have it. 0.99

01:11:54.000 Yeah, so... 0.99

01:11:55.000 I think it's that same thing.

01:11:56.000 It's this body dysmorphia.

01:11:58.000 It's like the bodybuilders that don't know how the regular people look at them, and, you know, it's like how the anorexic doesn't know.

01:12:05.000 Yeah.

01:12:05.000 It's strange.

01:12:06.000 When they start fucking with their face, that's when it gets really weird. 1.00

01:12:09.000 Like, the saddest thing for me is when chicks do their lips. 1.00

01:12:12.000 What's the matter, Jamie?

01:12:13.000 Huh?

01:12:13.000 Oh, I thought you made a noise.

01:12:15.000 Sometimes he finds things and you hear, oh, and then you know you're going to get a treat.

01:12:20.000 Yeah, this is a dark place to keep going down.

01:12:22.000 If you guys want to look, feel free to Google it.

01:12:24.000 Go ahead, give me one more.

01:12:25.000 What else you got?

01:12:26.000 I'm just clicking around.

01:12:28.000 No, the lips one is, I agree, makes, I don't, it's weird because a lot of the time when you hear girls say what they would love to have done, you can transparently tell them no guy wants to see that or cares, but they still want it.

01:12:42.000 Yeah, they want it because it's a thing in their head.

01:12:45.000 Like, they're looking at their own lips and they go, if I just had...

01:12:48.000 I would look good.

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 It just gets in their head.

01:12:51.000 I know a lady who had her lips operated on where they sliced open her lips and stuck some stuff in there. 1.00

01:12:57.000 And this was like...

01:12:59.000 I don't know.

01:13:00.000 She probably had it done in the late 90s, early 2000s, back when the technology... 0.94

01:13:06.000 She was an early adopter.

01:13:07.000 And so she has this constant lip scar.

01:13:10.000 So it's like a linear scar across lips.

01:13:13.000 So when she's talking, you see her lips.

01:13:15.000 You see the scar tissue.

01:13:17.000 And she's got these fatso lips. 1.00

01:13:20.000 It's just...

01:13:23.000 The proportions of the face seem off.

01:13:25.000 If a girl has big lips, usually she has thick skin and thick features and it looks great. 0.96

01:13:33.000 But if it doesn't fit your face and you got big crazy lips and a little skinny nose, you look like an alien. 0.99

01:13:39.000 Yeah, I could see if some chick had like a brutally deviated septum where their nose is like off-center or like their lips are so thin that it looks weird where it's not balanced, but the ones with normal features that then go to the hyper-extreme, I could never wrap my head around that shit. 1.00

01:13:57.000 Yeah, granted, we would still probably say breast implants are fine, even though that's like, not to some severe degree, but just like better than what their natural is. 0.92

01:14:08.000 And for some reason, our heads can wrap around that looking good, but then other stuff looks not good.

01:14:13.000 Yeah, the breast implant's a weird one.

01:14:15.000 It's the one where we send out confusing signals. 0.99

01:14:18.000 And we can somehow perceive that a silicone fucking circle sticking out of your chest. 0.99

01:14:23.000 I'm like, that's good. 1.00

01:14:25.000 But your lips with that shit, not good. 1.00

01:14:27.000 Not good. 1.00

01:14:28.000 Or your butt, not good. 0.99

01:14:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:30.000 So what's the logic, you know?

01:14:32.000 There's no logic.

01:14:32.000 It's very strange.

01:14:35.000 You can't argue with it.

01:14:36.000 It just is what it is.

01:14:37.000 For some reason, boobs don't seem as personal.

01:14:43.000 Maybe? 0.54

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:44.000 I don't know.

01:14:45.000 Maybe.

01:14:45.000 What is it?

01:14:46.000 More is not...

01:14:47.000 Is there something about your mouth?

01:14:49.000 You doing your mouth, like your lips, it seems sad. 0.99

01:14:52.000 Like, I don't even know biologically why I would be attracted to bigger tits anyways. 1.00

01:14:56.000 Like, does it imply you're better at feeding a child or something? 0.95

01:15:00.000 But then it's weird how you're cognizant of the fact that it's fake, but you're like... 1.00

01:15:06.000 Primitive brain is so fucking dumb. 1.00

01:15:08.000 It's like, I can't even tell that silicone has nothing to do with it. 1.00

01:15:11.000 I don't care if I'm being tricked.

01:15:13.000 Keep tricking me.

01:15:15.000 Well, you know, we have certain things that your biology just gears into and gets attracted to, like hip-to-waist ratio.

01:15:25.000 Girls with thin hips and big waists and big butts. 1.00

01:15:29.000 Just whatever it means to whatever your DNA signal is that picks up on that and goes, that is a girl who needs to breed. 1.00

01:15:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:15:37.000 Yeah, so it's fucking strange. 0.98

01:15:40.000 Just the... 0.93

01:15:41.000 I mean, because it's...

01:15:42.000 For us, it makes sense.

01:15:44.000 We know what's hot, what's not.

01:15:46.000 But if you were a biologist from another planet trying to study human beings...

01:15:49.000 No, it wouldn't make any sense.

01:15:50.000 You'd be like, what are they doing?

01:15:52.000 This is the weirdest animal ever.

01:15:54.000 They like to be tricked.

01:15:56.000 The women are all wearing high heels. 1.00

01:15:58.000 And a totally fake face with makeup all over it.

01:16:00.000 Yeah, all over it.

01:16:01.000 To the point of being unrecognizable and you're just... 1.00

01:16:05.000 Oh, well, I'm sure you've seen those TikToks of the girl who has no teeth and she looks like shit. 1.00

01:16:09.000 She looks like hell, like a total meth head. 1.00

01:16:12.000 And then she puts her dentures in, then does her face up, and then does her hair up, and then she looks super hot. 1.00

01:16:17.000 Dentures?

01:16:18.000 I've seen a lot of chicks getting veneers lately that don't need them. 1.00

01:16:22.000 No, this girl has no mouth. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Oh, wow.

01:16:25.000 Her teeth are... 1.00

01:16:26.000 Well, no teeth, rather.

01:16:27.000 That's her. 0.88

01:16:27.000 That's her on the right. 0.88

01:16:29.000 Damn, yeah. 0.99

01:16:29.000 That's what she looks like on the left. 0.99

01:16:31.000 That's crazy.

01:16:31.000 It's crazy.

01:16:33.000 It's almost like when you're dating somebody, it almost would be prudent to be like, let's see what you look like with nothing.

01:16:38.000 But it's crazy.

01:16:39.000 It's like, she has no teeth.

01:16:41.000 Like, how do you lose all your teeth?

01:16:44.000 Where'd your teeth go?

01:16:46.000 First date questions.

01:16:47.000 It says, young mom who lost all her teeth while pregnant.

01:16:50.000 Oh, wow.

01:16:51.000 What the f- How, though?

01:16:53.000 Well, doing math.

01:16:54.000 I don't know.

01:16:55.000 I'm just guessing.

01:16:57.000 But look how hot she looks on the right. 1.00

01:16:59.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:16:59.000 Goddamn ad blogger. 1.00

01:17:00.000 I mean, it's really weird, again, that it doesn't bother us at all, that we know that is not what your face looks like. 0.99

01:17:07.000 Yeah.

01:17:08.000 But we go, oh, you look great. 0.99

01:17:29.000 How the fuck would you have tooth decay during pregnancy though? 0.99

01:17:35.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:17:36.000 Maybe some rare anomaly, health anomaly.

01:17:39.000 Wow.

01:17:41.000 So, what, I mean, what can someone do?

01:17:45.000 She experienced toothaches.

01:17:47.000 Front teeth broke.

01:17:49.000 My two front teeth broke, and then she got partial replacements.

01:17:52.000 Took a huge hit on me emotionally, and I was losing my teeth.

01:17:55.000 My husband married me with perfect teeth, and the next year, his wife is missing front teeth. 0.57

01:18:00.000 She's 36. Wow.

01:18:01.000 Yeah.

01:18:03.000 But it's crazy that she does this.

01:18:05.000 It's like, that's a ballsy move to put that out to the whole world where you can see you without your teeth, like scroll down, see her without her teeth, and then see her dolled up with the teeth.

01:18:15.000 Hmm.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 It's a trap.

01:18:19.000 But it's an amazing trap.

01:18:21.000 Like, look how good she looks.

01:18:22.000 Like, scroll it.

01:18:22.000 Look on the lower right-hand corner.

01:18:24.000 She looks fucking amazing in comparison to what she looked like with no teeth and no makeup on. 1.00

01:18:29.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:18:30.000 That's wild if you...

01:18:31.000 It must have been just, like, severe nutrient deficiency or, like, hormone.

01:18:34.000 I don't know.

01:18:35.000 Who knows?

01:18:36.000 Some hormones and stuff.

01:18:38.000 I'm sure.

01:18:39.000 Mediocre nutrition and genetics.

01:18:41.000 Who knows?

01:18:42.000 Just some weird...

01:18:43.000 Oh, what's that?

01:18:44.000 After accidentally swallowing fluoride?

01:18:48.000 He said, genetics and mediocre nutrition contributed to her tooth decay. 1.00

01:18:51.000 She'd also feared their dentist ever since throwing up after accidentally swallowing fluoride during an appointment as a kid.

01:18:58.000 That led me to delay treatment.

01:19:00.000 Oh, so she never went to the dentist?

01:19:02.000 Yeah, okay.

01:19:02.000 Interesting.

01:19:03.000 Okay.

01:19:04.000 Okay. 1.00

01:19:07.000 Damn. 1.00

01:19:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:19:08.000 But that's not available to men. 0.99

01:19:11.000 There's not, like, if a guy gets fake teeth, it's weird.

01:19:14.000 Veneers, I think, are becoming more popular than men now.

01:19:16.000 Conor McGregor got them. 0.98

01:19:18.000 Sometimes they look overdone to the point where I'm like, you have fucking, like, some chompers now that look weird on you. 0.99

01:19:24.000 Why are you laughing at Conor McGregor's teeth? 0.98

01:19:26.000 It's funny how much he likes to show them off.

01:19:27.000 Oh, he likes everybody to know.

01:19:29.000 Yeah, he has, like, big pearly white smiles now.

01:19:31.000 Whereas he used to be such a badass who just never smiled.

01:19:33.000 Well, he probably got a few teeth cracked and broken from sparring and fights and stuff. 0.99

01:19:39.000 I mean, man, you get hit in the head with a fucking elbow or a knee or something like that. 0.99

01:19:43.000 You know, your chin. 1.00

01:19:44.000 You know, they used to call Eve Edwards the dentist because he'd fuck so many people's teeth up. 1.00

01:19:51.000 Josh Neer, too, that was his nickname. 0.86

01:19:52.000 He'd fought in the UFC. He'd call him the dentist.

01:19:55.000 He'd just smash people's teeth out after he knocked a few guys' teeth out.

01:19:58.000 What do you think's next for McGregor after a little lost streak?

01:20:02.000 It's a good question.

01:20:03.000 The last loss, even though it was a bad loss in that you see him lying there with a broken leg, his performance wasn't bad.

01:20:13.000 The real problem was he went into that fight with a cracked shin, and they had looked at it in training.

01:20:19.000 They had got a scan on it, and they were concerned, but they thought it was just a deep bruise.

01:20:23.000 It was hard to tell what was going on.

01:20:25.000 During the course of that first round, it cracked.

01:20:28.000 And there's an interesting moment, and Dustin talked about it, where he checked one of the kicks and he pointed to Conor. 1.00

01:20:34.000 Like, I know that hurt you, bitch. 1.00

01:20:36.000 You could see him pointing after he checked it, and that was the same leg that eventually cracked. 1.00

01:20:42.000 And Conor, to his credit, kept throwing it like a fucking savage, and it buckled it. 0.98

01:20:47.000 Another time he threw a leg kick, and you could see the leg kind of buckle. 0.99

01:20:50.000 And then when he went to step back on it, just completely gave out, which is pretty wild.

01:20:55.000 It's pretty rare to see it happen like that.

01:20:58.000 Generally, when you see a leg break like that, it's from a check and you see it immediately.

01:21:02.000 Like the guy checks a kick and you see the leg snap and the guy just falls down like Anderson Silva.

01:21:08.000 Yeah, not keep fighting and then have it happen after.

01:21:10.000 Chris Weidman is a good example.

01:21:13.000 There's a few.

01:21:15.000 Tyrone Spong did it with Gokhan Saki and Glory Kickboxing.

01:21:21.000 But it's pretty rare.

01:21:24.000 It's more common for some reason in MMA than it is even in Muay Thai, which I'm not sure why.

01:21:30.000 And, you know, if you ask a top-level trainer, like Kirian Fitzgibbons or something like that, they'll tell you they're just checking wrong.

01:21:36.000 These guys, they're throwing wrong and checking wrong, and the MMA guys, they'll throw full blast, and all a guy has to do is just check one kick.

01:21:44.000 And they'll throw empty kicks, right?

01:21:45.000 Meaning they don't set it up with punches, just throw...

01:21:48.000 Wind up and throw one power kick and the other guy just gets the knee up in time and snap.

01:21:53.000 Yeah.

01:21:53.000 Because the shin is so vulnerable.

01:21:55.000 Yeah.

01:21:55.000 Especially the lower part of the shin.

01:21:58.000 If you catch a guy's knee, if someone throws a kick and you catch it up here and they hit you with this part, boy, they're going to lose every time.

01:22:08.000 This part...

01:22:10.000 Like right above the ankle, like six inches above the ankle, so weak.

01:22:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:14.000 In comparison to like two inches below the knee, this shit is rock hard. 1.00

01:22:18.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:22:18.000 Like it's like supported by the joint, that thick upper part of the fibula, you know, the tibia. 0.98

01:22:25.000 Do you just become like numb when you practice that often? 0.95

01:22:28.000 Like guys like Adesanya that rely on those like sniper fucking kicks, do they just like not even feel it when they do them now? 0.94

01:22:35.000 They feel it, but not as much. 0.98

01:22:37.000 The shin itself becomes hardened and calloused.

01:22:40.000 You actually get microfractures all over the shin because, you know, you're constantly whacking it and inspiring.

01:22:47.000 Even if you're wearing shin pads, like there's some guys that will practice, like Kevin Ross made a bag for me that's in my LA studio that I've got to bring over to here that's a sandbag.

01:22:57.000 It's made out of all sand, and I would kick it. 0.99

01:23:00.000 And it fucking hurts like hell, man. 1.00

01:23:02.000 It's just sand. 0.99

01:23:03.000 So you just thunk, thunk.

01:23:06.000 It's just so hard.

01:23:07.000 But when you do that, it really conditions your shins.

01:23:10.000 And it actually makes your bones stronger, too.

01:23:13.000 You've seen guys, I'm sure, break baseball bats with their shins.

01:23:16.000 Have you seen that?

01:23:17.000 After a while, they can just smash right through a baseball bat.

01:23:21.000 But the parts of your shin that are exposed, like bone, you can harden. 0.99

01:23:27.000 But the shit you can never harden is your calves. 0.98

01:23:30.000 That is why that has become such a weapon in MMA, the calf kick. 0.99

01:23:34.000 Because the nerves and the tissue is all exposed.

01:23:38.000 And there's so little of it. 0.99

01:23:40.000 Like if somebody punches you in the forearm, my god, it hurts so much more than punching you in the ass. 1.00

01:23:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:46.000 You know, punching you in the ass is, you know, there's a lot of meat there. 1.00

01:23:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:23:50.000 But your forearms, like if someone kicks your forearms, that's one thing about MMA that people don't take into consideration. 0.99

01:23:55.000 When you see guys block a kick, that fucking hurts so much.

01:24:01.000 When someone's kicking you and you block it like this and you take it on the forearm, that shin just slamming into your arms, a lot of times guys are losing like 50% of the strength in their arms. 0.97

01:24:13.000 But it looks normal because they're still moving around and they're still throwing punches, but everything is numb.

01:24:18.000 Everything hurts.

01:24:20.000 It's just like the whole arm is just like, ugh!

01:24:22.000 And you're still throwing punches, but it's throbbing.

01:24:26.000 Shins always beat forearms. 1.00

01:24:32.000 I've trained with guys where they're holding pads for me and their fucking arms go numb from holding pads. 0.99

01:24:39.000 They have a big ass pad and just slamming kicks into the pads and they can't move their arms afterwards. 0.99

01:24:45.000 Now imagine it's just meat. 0.99

01:24:47.000 Just meat and the bones slamming right into the meat of your arm.

01:24:52.000 It's horrible.

01:24:53.000 Yeah.

01:24:53.000 You can't do anything about that.

01:24:55.000 Like, you can only toughen that up so much.

01:24:57.000 Yeah.

01:24:57.000 But the shins, you can toughen the shins up pretty good.

01:25:01.000 Do you still have the same kind of like training styles that you used to?

01:25:04.000 Like I remember some of the old kicking videos that you used to have back in the day.

01:25:08.000 Do you still do all that stuff just as regularly?

01:25:11.000 Yeah, I can do that still.

01:25:13.000 Yeah, I have a bag set up in my house and I have a gym where I have weight lifting equipment on one side and the other side is matted up for jujitsu and heavy bags and yeah.

01:25:24.000 What's your weekly exercise routine like?

01:25:28.000 Your time is so valuable and limited.

01:25:30.000 How do you choose what to allocate it to accordingly?

01:25:33.000 It's kind of a trick.

01:25:35.000 It seems like I work more than I do.

01:25:38.000 It gets so efficient now because you have people working for you kind of thing.

01:25:40.000 Well, it's also like an actual podcast is only like three hours.

01:25:44.000 So it seems like a long time.

01:25:46.000 But like with you, we don't have to do any research.

01:25:49.000 I've watched a bunch of your videos.

01:25:51.000 I'm like, I can't wait to talk to that guy.

01:25:52.000 It's going to be fun.

01:25:54.000 So I have time in the morning.

01:25:56.000 So in the morning, you know, I get up early, you know, see my kids off, or today I drove them to school, then I have all this time.

01:26:03.000 So, you know, if the podcast starts at 1230, like today, and then I drop my kids off at 8, I have all that time.

01:26:12.000 So that time is my training time.

01:26:14.000 So today I went to the Onnit gym, got a great workout with John Wolf and Bert Kreischer.

01:26:18.000 And today was like mostly mobility drills.

01:26:22.000 A lot of like John is into a lot of range of motion stuff.

01:26:27.000 And then we did a lot of kettlebell stuff and bear crawls and all this.

01:26:30.000 He's into like all this crazy bodyweight stuff.

01:26:33.000 And then we finished up with a lot of kettlebell stuff.

01:26:37.000 But other days, I'll do like rounds on the bag.

01:26:41.000 And what I'll do is I'll usually do like Airdyne machine.

01:26:45.000 I'll do like the Echo Bike.

01:26:47.000 You know, the Rogue Fitness has a great...

01:26:51.000 Their version of the Airdyne machine is like super beefy.

01:26:53.000 Do you ever use those?

01:26:54.000 Sure.

01:26:54.000 Never, no.

01:26:55.000 They're the shit, man. 1.00

01:26:56.000 Tabata sprints on those is fucking... 1.00

01:26:58.000 You want to talk about a brutal cardio workout, 20-second sprint, 10-second rest. 0.99

01:27:04.000 20-second sprint, 10-second rest.

01:27:06.000 And you do it for eight repetitions, so eight 20s, right?

01:27:09.000 So it's like...

01:27:12.000 And then 10 seconds, you're like, nine, seven, seven, and then you do it again.

01:27:20.000 And it's incredible for your cardio.

01:27:22.000 So I'll do those.

01:27:23.000 I'll do like a set of those, get warmed up, and then mostly I'll stretch and then work on kicks.

01:27:31.000 So I'll start off with like kicks in the air.

01:27:33.000 I get my stretching in, Make everything nice and loose.

01:27:36.000 And then once I feel like everything's loose, then I'll do rounds where I'll just like shadow boxing and throwing kicks in the air.

01:27:43.000 And then once I get loose enough to the fact that I feel like I can, like everything's completely stretched out, all my tissues warm, then I will do like repetitions, like a hundred kicks with this leg, a hundred kicks with that leg.

01:27:58.000 And then I'll work on my form and stretching.

01:28:01.000 Then once I've done that, then I set the timer and do rounds in the bag.

01:28:04.000 Ah, okay.

01:28:05.000 So the difference between kicking in the air and kicking in the bag is when you're kicking in the air, you get this full range of motion techniques.

01:28:13.000 Like as you're throwing round kicks, you completely follow through.

01:28:17.000 You're also controlling your leg through the entire kick.

01:28:21.000 So it's like there's something to that as well as hitting things.

01:28:25.000 Like you got to do both, I think, in order to have like good kicks.

01:28:29.000 And so I'll do that and I do, you know, boxing rounds in the bag, kickboxing rounds in the bag.

01:28:33.000 And then other days I'll just do, like I have kettlebell routines that I do.

01:28:38.000 Other days I'll do just hard cardio, different shit, depending on what I feel like doing.

01:28:44.000 No like traditional weightlifting stuff? 0.96

01:28:46.000 No.

01:28:47.000 No.

01:28:47.000 I very rarely, sometimes I deadlift.

01:28:49.000 Okay.

01:28:50.000 Yeah, that's basically it.

01:28:51.000 But the heaviest weights I lift are like 70 pounds.

01:28:53.000 Like, unless deadlifting. 0.99

01:28:55.000 Like 70 pound kettlebells is generally the heaviest shit I use. 0.98

01:29:01.000 Yeah, that's probably good at this point for longevity, I would imagine. 0.92

01:29:04.000 There's definitely a huge disparity between the guys like Coleman, who trained mental, full board, low reps too with high weight, and then the guys like Jay Cutler, who went higher rep, higher volume to achieve the same level of breakdown of the muscle, but took them...

01:29:20.000 It's like more sets in the gym and more time intensive, but now they can still train perfectly in their 40s.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, I think there's a difference.

01:29:29.000 And also the crazy thing is I'm still strong.

01:29:32.000 Like even though I don't lift heavy weights, like one time we did a podcast, we got really drunk.

01:29:39.000 And the guys went out to the gym.

01:29:40.000 It was in the LA studio.

01:29:42.000 I had a studio that was set up in one part of this warehouse and then connected to it.

01:29:47.000 It was this full gym, like all rogue equipment.

01:29:50.000 It was awesome.

01:29:51.000 And these dorks, like Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura and Ari, they all got under the bench and they tried to put up 225. They were all benching 225. And I don't bench.

01:30:01.000 I don't ever do it.

01:30:02.000 But I busted out like 13 or 14 reps.

01:30:05.000 And I don't bench.

01:30:06.000 But it's just because I do so much kettlebell. 0.99

01:30:09.000 That's fucking good, dude. 0.98

01:30:10.000 Two plates for 13, 14. So it's all just kettlebell muscles, though. 0.99

01:30:15.000 Yeah. 0.77

01:30:15.000 Do you know that there's a guy that's really fun to watch his Instagram channel, Every Goddamn Dre. 0.77

01:30:23.000 Do you know him?

01:30:24.000 If I saw it, maybe. 0.98

01:30:25.000 Dude's super jacked.

01:30:27.000 And he does everything with kettlebells. 1.00

01:30:29.000 He's a fucking behemoth. 1.00

01:30:32.000 Just super jacked, like perfect physique. 0.99

01:30:35.000 But he also, like in the things, like occasionally, he'll do stuff with traditional weightlifting stuff.

01:30:40.000 And he said, it's interesting that like when he goes, I'm paraphrasing, but when he goes and does traditional weightlifting stuff, he hasn't lost any of his strength. 0.95

01:30:48.000 He's like super fucking strong.

01:30:49.000 But most of the time when you see him, like maybe he'll have like a 70 pound kettlebell. 0.99

01:30:54.000 Look at that.

01:30:55.000 That's just deadlifting stuff.

01:30:57.000 The dude's like, jacked.

01:30:59.000 But if you see some of the other ones, Jamie, where he's shirtless and he's doing most of what he does, see what he's doing there?

01:31:05.000 That's probably like a 45-pound kettlebell.

01:31:09.000 If you see some of his stuff, like here it is.

01:31:11.000 This is mostly the kind of routines that he does.

01:31:14.000 But I mean, look at the amount of muscle that guy's carrying around. 0.99

01:31:17.000 I mean, he's fucking massive. 0.99

01:31:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:20.000 But it's all kettlebell stuff. 0.99

01:31:22.000 But look how difficult that shit is. 0.99

01:31:24.000 There's these one-legged things that he's doing, like these split squat things that he's doing where he's going sideways. 0.99

01:31:32.000 Like that right there might be 70 pounds.

01:31:34.000 It's hard to tell.

01:31:35.000 It might be 50. It's hard to say.

01:31:37.000 And I don't know how big the guy is, like how tall he is, but he's obviously super jacked.

01:31:43.000 Click on that one right there.

01:31:45.000 And, you know, a lot of the stuff that he's doing is he does it in the living room of his house.

01:31:51.000 Yeah.

01:31:51.000 But that's pretty heavy weight.

01:31:53.000 That looks like it's about 90. So it's 48, 4 kilograms in the caption.

01:31:58.000 Okay, so what is 48 kilograms?

01:31:59.000 90 something?

01:32:02.000 Probably like 100. 100, yeah.

01:32:04.000 It's 2.2 per pound, right?

01:32:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:32:07.000 See, that's pretty fucking strong. 0.97

01:32:10.000 But again, he's doing all this kettlebell stuff where it's full body, functional strength exercises. 0.97

01:32:20.000 That's a real weight, right, Joe?

01:32:22.000 I think so.

01:32:24.000 Yeah, everybody made fun of me because of the Chris Cuomo thing, man.

01:32:27.000 I thought it was real.

01:32:29.000 I'm being naive, I guess.

01:32:30.000 But eventually I looked at it and I go, yeah, that is kind of weird how you can move it around like that. 0.99

01:32:34.000 Yeah, just like a fucking paperweight. 0.98

01:32:35.000 So that guy's fire now? 1.00

01:32:36.000 They got rid of that dude.

01:32:37.000 Yeah.

01:32:38.000 Wow.

01:32:39.000 For a weird reason.

01:32:40.000 I mean, not weird.

01:32:42.000 Ethically, I get it.

01:32:43.000 Because he helped his brother.

01:32:45.000 I don't know how he helped his brother.

01:32:47.000 What did he do?

01:32:48.000 His brother was getting...

01:32:50.000 People were accusing him of sexual harassment.

01:32:53.000 And so did he do research on the people that...

01:32:57.000 Is that what he did?

01:32:58.000 I remember reading he texted someone who knew of the situation.

01:33:02.000 Like, what do you got on someone?

01:33:04.000 Yeah.

01:33:05.000 Oh, that's it?

01:33:05.000 I don't know if that's it.

01:33:07.000 I just...

01:33:07.000 Should use signal.

01:33:08.000 Yeah.

01:33:09.000 Yeah.

01:33:10.000 Or call the guy.

01:33:12.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:33:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:13.000 He probably didn't think anything of it.

01:33:15.000 He probably did it on instinct.

01:33:17.000 But yeah, he's done.

01:33:18.000 What does a guy like that do when you get fired from something like that?

01:33:20.000 I know.

01:33:21.000 I thought that guy was immune to everything. 1.00

01:33:24.000 Well, I think CNN is realizing that their ratings are dogshit. 1.00

01:33:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:29.000 And that having these highly polarizing editorial personalities like Stelter and Don Lemon and, you know, Michael Malice is fucking hilarious. 0.99

01:33:40.000 You know what he did?

01:33:41.000 He put up, he goes, now that Chris Cuomo's gone, who's the alpha male over at CNN? And he put up a poll and everybody said Anderson Cooper.

01:33:48.000 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

01:33:51.000 I think Anderson Cooper came in first.

01:33:54.000 I personally, maybe this is just my bias, I want the news.

01:33:59.000 I want objective news.

01:34:01.000 I want someone to tell me what are the facts of what's going on and what's happening.

01:34:04.000 I don't want your ideological slant.

01:34:06.000 I don't want this left-wing propaganda network, which is what CNN's become.

01:34:11.000 The way I look at CNN now is so differently than the way I looked at CNN 15, 20 years ago.

01:34:16.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 I used to look at them as like, this is how I get the news.

01:34:19.000 This is unbiased, professional news.

01:34:22.000 They're going to tell me what's happening in Pakistan and what's happening in Mogadishu.

01:34:27.000 These are the real journalists that are telling you the news. 1.00

01:34:31.000 Now I look at them, I go, you fucking propagandists. 1.00

01:34:34.000 The right arm of Pfizer. 1.00

01:34:37.000 What are you doing?

01:34:38.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.000 I think there's a market for real news, and it's really hard to find that now.

01:34:46.000 It's really hard, especially outside of independent sources.

01:34:48.000 Yeah.

01:34:50.000 Yeah, and I guess if you're trying to even take a balanced approach to things, like, are you even going to be censored to the point where you can't even be a news outlet to begin with?

01:34:59.000 Right. 0.96

01:35:00.000 I think the dumbest fake weight was Stallone, though. 0.99

01:35:03.000 Don't you think that one? 0.99

01:35:05.000 Yeah, that was... 0.99

01:35:05.000 That one was so ridiculous. 0.99

01:35:07.000 Yeah, like, the amount of trying to sell it was just absurd. 0.90

01:35:11.000 It's like, what happened, man?

01:35:13.000 Are you okay?

01:35:14.000 How much attention do you need?

01:35:15.000 You're Sylvester Stallone.

01:35:16.000 This is crazy.

01:35:18.000 Yeah.

01:35:18.000 I don't know why he thought that was a funny thing to do.

01:35:21.000 Do you think he's funny?

01:35:22.000 Do you think he was trying to be funny?

01:35:23.000 Or do you think he was trying to sell it?

01:35:26.000 Well, that's the argument.

01:35:29.000 Right.

01:35:30.000 What is it? 0.92

01:35:31.000 Because then some people would think there's no way he is dumb enough to think people are going to buy it, and it's supposed to be a joke. 0.93

01:35:38.000 He's from a different time. 0.98

01:35:39.000 I know!

01:35:40.000 That's why you might think he just is actually trying to sell it, too, which, you know, the amount of grunting is pretty dramatic.

01:35:45.000 He put heavy in quotes, and he didn't delete the post either.

01:35:49.000 Yeah.

01:35:49.000 Let me see it again.

01:35:51.000 So here it is.

01:35:53.000 So, yeah, it's almost like he's selling it before he's even lifting it.

01:35:58.000 That's what's crazy.

01:35:58.000 Does it have volume for people to...

01:36:00.000 Audio.

01:36:01.000 You've been there every day so far.

01:36:10.000 Ah, for sure.

01:36:12.000 That is obviously so fake.

01:36:14.000 And then he crashes him into the ground. 1.00

01:36:15.000 Like, the way they hit, if they bounced back, he would have been fucked. 1.00

01:36:18.000 Yeah, it would have smashed his shins. 1.00

01:36:20.000 People thought that was real, though?

01:36:22.000 I don't think they did.

01:36:24.000 I think most people figured that it was fake, but...

01:36:27.000 I don't know, man.

01:36:29.000 Look, the Chris Cuomo thing, I thought it was just really strong.

01:36:32.000 But I didn't think about it, because I don't use, like, a 100-pound dumbbell.

01:36:36.000 Yeah, if you're used to using kettlebells all the time, then maybe I could see how you might not be able to...

01:36:41.000 I just didn't look at it discerningly.

01:36:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:42.000 I also didn't think someone would be dumb enough to use a fake weight. 0.99

01:36:46.000 No, yeah. 0.67

01:36:46.000 But I think someone wrote his name on that weight, right? 0.67

01:36:50.000 Didn't someone give him that weight?

01:36:52.000 I think it was a, yes.

01:36:53.000 Like a gift.

01:36:54.000 So he was probably like too proud to tell people, this is really 100 pounds. 0.99

01:37:00.000 I'm just fucking around. 0.86

01:37:01.000 Yeah, but like thought like I'll play it off and people think and I bought it Hmm, but then you see like a real bodybuilder using a hundred pound dumbbell. 0.99

01:37:10.000 Oh, yeah, that's different Yeah, no, I think most some layman would see the you know Cuomo video and be like damn this guy's a fucking house like look at him toss this hundred pound double around There are some people that are stupid strong and they don't even look that big and Yeah, yeah, definitely. 0.97

01:37:25.000 But it's odd. 0.99

01:37:27.000 Strength is an odd thing, man.

01:37:29.000 There's one thing that's weird, is wrestler strength. 0.97

01:37:33.000 Some of the strongest fucking human beings that I've ever met were wrestlers. 0.93

01:37:36.000 There's this dude, Eric, I forget his last name, but we used to do drills together and he wasn't much bigger than me, man. 0.98

01:37:43.000 He was, you know, I'm 200 pounds now.

01:37:47.000 Back then I was probably 190 and maybe he was 200, 205 at the most.

01:37:53.000 So maybe he's 15 pounds heavier than me.

01:37:54.000 And we used to do these drills, this knee-on-belly drill.

01:37:57.000 The knee-on-belly drill is you're on your back, the guy has his knee across your belly, and generally like hands on one shoulder and maybe an overhook on one of your arms.

01:38:08.000 And the idea is he's trying to hold you in place and you're trying to explode out of there, you know, put pressure on the knee, hip escape, get out of the position.

01:38:15.000 When he was on top of me, I wasn't going anywhere. 0.99

01:38:17.000 This fucking dude would pin me down. 1.00

01:38:20.000 It was crazy how strong he was. 1.00

01:38:22.000 But then when we reversed it and I was on top of him, I would just go flying. 1.00

01:38:26.000 He was so fucking strong that he would get his hands on you and he'd fuck! 0.99

01:38:32.000 And you would just literally be lifted into the sky. 1.00

01:38:35.000 I couldn't hold him down.

01:38:37.000 And it was this wrestler strength that is just, he wasn't that much bigger.

01:38:41.000 Because there would be other guys that were that big and he would train with them and it was proportionate.

01:38:45.000 It made sense.

01:38:46.000 Like we'd roll with them and they were strong, but it wasn't freakish.

01:38:51.000 And then wrestler strength is like a different kind of strength.

01:38:54.000 They're so used to manipulating bodies and they're so used to just being able to push things. 0.94

01:38:59.000 They're always just pushing and pulling and pushing and pulling and they just have this fucking preposterous tendon strength.

01:39:06.000 Yeah, it's weird how transferable or not some exercises are for, like some people are just disproportionately strong at one lift for some reason. 0.68

01:39:17.000 Yeah. 0.87

01:39:17.000 Where they can deadlift a fucking ridiculous amount, but then bench, they suck at, and then transferring to actual athletics, it might not even make a difference at all, and they get tossed around by some dude who can't even bench a fucking plate or something. 0.87

01:39:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 Well, there's a big one in martial arts where it's power.

01:39:39.000 Power for striking is the strangest thing because you can get people to hit a little harder.

01:39:48.000 There's things you can do like cable drills.

01:39:50.000 There's some explosive plyometrics that can increase your punching power and your kicking power a little bit, but not much.

01:39:58.000 Not much where you're ever...

01:40:00.000 No one's ever going to mistake you for Melvin Manhoof or something like that. 0.99

01:40:03.000 There's certain people that just have fucking crazy power. 0.96

01:40:07.000 And it's so weird. 0.98

01:40:08.000 Like, there's this guy, Alex Pereira.

01:40:10.000 He fights in the UFC now, but he's the only guy that knocked out Stylebender.

01:40:14.000 He knocked out Stylebender in a kickboxing bout, and then he finally made his UFC debut.

01:40:18.000 And I was so excited about this. 0.99

01:40:20.000 I'm like, because this guy has this fucking freakish... 0.99

01:40:26.000 Disproportionate power, where it doesn't make any sense. 0.99

01:40:28.000 Like, you look at him, you're like, what are you made out of?

01:40:31.000 Like, you're built different.

01:40:33.000 He hits people and just sends them flying.

01:40:36.000 Like, everybody goes unconscious.

01:40:38.000 It's so crazy.

01:40:40.000 And he hit this guy.

01:40:41.000 Like, there's him right there.

01:40:43.000 And look at him, slides out of the way.

01:40:45.000 Like, he knows the guy's gonna fall.

01:40:46.000 Everybody falls with him.

01:40:47.000 But he knocked this guy out.

01:40:50.000 Like, look at this.

01:40:50.000 I mean, this is a good punch, but it's just...

01:40:55.000 The reaction that people have to his strikes is just different.

01:40:59.000 Everybody goes unconscious.

01:41:01.000 Is he middleweight?

01:41:02.000 He's a middleweight, 185 pounds, yeah. 0.98

01:41:04.000 Pull up his last KO, because it was fucking crazy. 0.94

01:41:08.000 The guy desperately tried to get a hold of him and hold him down. 0.99

01:41:15.000 Oh, it's just us talking about him, because I'm just talking about how ridiculous he is. 0.96

01:41:20.000 It's literally like the dude's made out of wood or something. 0.97

01:41:23.000 There it is right there, far right.

01:41:26.000 No, no, no.

01:41:27.000 That's the impact of it, but there's a video right up there, above that, above that, right there.

01:41:31.000 That's it.

01:41:32.000 Oh, it doesn't show the actual knockout?

01:41:34.000 No, it just shows you guys.

01:41:35.000 No, here it is.

01:41:36.000 Watch this.

01:41:38.000 Oh! 0.60

01:41:39.000 Why would they do that?

01:41:41.000 Well, you can find it.

01:41:42.000 Find the KO UFC. Sometimes the UFC actually stops the knockout blow from being put online.

01:41:51.000 Yeah, they're pretty heavy on copyright.

01:41:53.000 I don't get that.

01:41:54.000 I literally don't get that.

01:41:56.000 Don't you want people to watch it again?

01:41:58.000 No, they've copyrighted my videos before.

01:42:00.000 I think they think that if somebody watches that, then they're not going to watch the actual fight and pay for the pay-per-view.

01:42:07.000 I couldn't disagree more.

01:42:09.000 Especially if you're giving commentary on something that's occurred years ago, even.

01:42:15.000 It's so crazy.

01:42:16.000 It's like I'm drawing attention potentially to a sport that you would want advertised.

01:42:20.000 It's free advertising.

01:42:22.000 It's essentially free advertising for the sport.

01:42:24.000 I don't get it. 1.00

01:42:27.000 It's Hollywood shit, right? 0.99

01:42:29.000 It's copyright for music, copyright for film. 1.00

01:42:32.000 They don't want you touching their stuff.

01:42:34.000 But when you're literally promoting it...

01:42:37.000 There it is.

01:42:37.000 Watch this.

01:42:38.000 Boom! 0.99

01:42:40.000 I mean, dude's like, what the fuck just happened? 0.99

01:42:42.000 Watch this knee. 0.99

01:42:43.000 Boom! 0.99

01:42:43.000 I mean, and he just walks away, and he tried to stop the fight, but Dan Mergliata was determined to watch that guy get murdered. 0.99

01:42:50.000 So what's his record in the UFC right now?

01:42:53.000 Did he just enter?

01:42:54.000 Yeah, 1-0.

01:42:55.000 He's undefeated in, I think he might have lost one MMA fight early in his career.

01:43:01.000 So what held him back from being in the UFC sooner?

01:43:05.000 Well, he was a glory kickboxing champion in two weight classes.

01:43:08.000 So he just wanted to maintain that?

01:43:10.000 Yeah.

01:43:10.000 Well, I mean, not just maintain it, but he was also preparing for the UFC. So preparing...

01:43:16.000 The grappling aspect of it is a big deal.

01:43:18.000 And it's also like, his rise...

01:43:21.000 His rise as a kickboxer coincides with Glover Teixeira's rejuvenation as an MMA fighter because they train together.

01:43:30.000 It's really interesting because Glover just won the light heavyweight title and he's 42, which I think is like the second oldest guy to ever win a title.

01:43:39.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:43:39.000 And also in a very competitive weight class against this guy Jan Blachowicz, who's a fucking murderer, right? 0.98

01:43:46.000 And Glover just dominated him, took him down, beat him up, strangled him, dropped him, hurt him bad standing, then got him to the ground, strangled him. 0.98

01:43:54.000 But Glover has been training with Alex Pereira.

01:43:58.000 And so they've been enhancing each other's skill set.

01:44:01.000 Glover's a fantastic grappler, great wrestler, black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and also a very good striker.

01:44:08.000 But Alex Pereira is literally the scariest striker on earth.

01:44:12.000 So the two of them together, it's really greatly enhanced Glover's abilities and also greatly enhanced Alex.

01:44:19.000 So the two of them together, now competing in the UFC, it's a big deal.

01:44:23.000 And then Alex is the same size as him too.

01:44:25.000 Because even though he fights at 185, he also held the Glory 205-pound title and was knocking people out at light heavyweight as well.

01:44:33.000 He was the only two-division champion over there.

01:44:35.000 Has Adesanya posted about that guy coming into the league?

01:44:39.000 Yeah, I mean, he knows it's a big fight for him, and I'm sure he wants to get that W back or get that L back.

01:44:46.000 I guess that's all.

01:44:47.000 What else is there to do in the middleweight division right now for him?

01:44:52.000 There's a rematch with Whitaker.

01:44:54.000 That's a big fight.

01:44:55.000 Whitaker's looked fucking amazing ever since Stylebender knocked him out, you know, and maybe with a different approach it could be a different fight, but Adesanya is just so smart, man. 0.83

01:45:07.000 He's so clever. 0.76

01:45:08.000 Like when you watch him fight, for a person like me who loves like intricate, high-level striking setups and traps, he's the master.

01:45:18.000 Him against Costa was like watching a master chess player.

01:45:22.000 Yep.

01:45:22.000 Just pick apart an amateur.

01:45:24.000 Someone who's like a berserker. 0.96

01:45:26.000 Because Costa's a berserker. 0.99

01:45:27.000 He just likes to charge at you and pin you up against a cage and beat you up. 0.79

01:45:31.000 Which is fine if you stand there and trade with him. 1.00

01:45:33.000 But Adesanya's like, not today, bitch. 1.00

01:45:35.000 I'm over here. 1.00

01:45:36.000 Whack! 1.00

01:45:36.000 And there's your leg again. 1.00

01:45:37.000 Whack! 1.00

01:45:38.000 And his leg was trashed early in that fight.

01:45:41.000 But he looked like he had cup marks all over his legs at the beginning of the fight.

01:45:46.000 He might have had some damage going into that fight, but I think there's also the psychological burden of competing against Adesanya. 0.99

01:45:55.000 He was fucking with his head. 0.99

01:45:57.000 He said he got drunk the night before, which is just crazy. 1.00

01:46:01.000 He came up with all these excuses.

01:46:03.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 He wanted a rematch right away.

01:46:05.000 Like, dude, you got lit up like a Christmas tree.

01:46:08.000 You can't get a rematch right away.

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:10.000 As much as I've talked about his speculated hormone use in the past and stuff, I actually love watching that guy fight.

01:46:16.000 Him versus Romero is fucking insane. 0.99

01:46:19.000 Insane. 0.99

01:46:19.000 One of my favorite fights. 0.99

01:46:21.000 Insane.

01:46:21.000 And it was almost disappointing to see how...

01:46:24.000 I guess your strategy is going to be different against Adesanya, but he was so timid and just not effective at all.

01:46:31.000 Some guys can keep it together up until the big one.

01:46:35.000 The real big one.

01:46:37.000 Just they get dwarfed by the moment in the big one.

01:46:40.000 They can fight real good in the pretty big ones, but then there's something about that world title.

01:46:46.000 There's something about Bruce Buffer standing in the middle of the octagon.

01:46:50.000 Israel!

01:46:54.000 You see Stylebender over there, and you're like, oh my god, this is really going down. 0.99

01:46:58.000 I'm really about to fight Stylebender for the fucking world title. 0.95

01:47:02.000 I think there was no crowd at that one, too, and he was still timid. 0.98

01:47:05.000 Was it no crowd?

01:47:06.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:47:07.000 Was it in Abu Dhabi?

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:09.000 I think the Abu Dhabi one had a crowd.

01:47:11.000 Is it cool if I go fill this up and go to Washington, too?

01:47:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:14.000 We'll take a break.

01:47:15.000 We'll be right back.

01:47:16.000 Awesome.

01:47:17.000 Derek's gotta pee.

01:47:18.000 And we're back.

01:47:20.000 How much water do you drink a day?

01:47:21.000 You one of those freaks?

01:47:22.000 Um, maybe like four or five of these?

01:47:28.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:47:28.000 Damn, you must be peeing all the time. 1.00

01:47:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:30.000 Do you cut it off at a certain time so you don't have to pee in the middle of the night? 1.00

01:47:33.000 Yeah, usually maybe like, I don't know, like half an hour beforehand and I make sure while I'm getting ready for bed, I piss before I start brushing my teeth and then I piss again after I'm done, right before, just to make sure I get the last little bit out.

01:47:45.000 Do you wake up in the middle of the night or do you sleep in the night?

01:47:48.000 No, never.

01:47:48.000 Never?

01:47:49.000 No.

01:47:49.000 I always do.

01:47:50.000 I drink so much water.

01:47:52.000 I'm always drinking.

01:47:53.000 And I'm thirsty at night and I just, I'm weak.

01:47:55.000 I just drink it.

01:47:57.000 I just feel like it's good for you.

01:47:58.000 Wait, so you wake up in the middle of the night to go drink more or to piss? 0.67

01:48:01.000 No, piss. 0.60

01:48:02.000 Yeah, you might want to try it.

01:48:03.000 It's a glycerol.

01:48:05.000 This is a product that we sell usually for hyperhydrating a muscle for endurance work or for getting just like a impractically ridiculous pump in the gym as a bodybuilder.

01:48:15.000 But you could hypothetically retain more water before you go to bed so you don't piss.

01:48:20.000 Is there any side effects?

01:48:23.000 Glycerol is just like a normal food, ultimately.

01:48:27.000 Glycerol?

01:48:28.000 Yeah.

01:48:28.000 G-L-Y-C-E-R-O-L. G-L-Y-C-E-R-O-L. I'll try it.

01:48:34.000 See if it keeps you from peeing.

01:48:35.000 Yeah, so like runners would use this typically in endurance events to hold on to more hydration.

01:48:40.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:48:41.000 Yeah, so like hyperhydrates your cells to allow you to not excrete as much.

01:48:46.000 The thing is like I know what I'm doing.

01:48:48.000 I know if I have a drink right now, if I drink a glass of water and it's 10 o'clock at night, I know. 0.99

01:48:54.000 I know at 3 in the morning I'm going to have to piss, but I still fucking do it.

01:48:59.000 There's that feeling you get, it's funny because it's the most dramatic, before you go to bed, you're like, huh, I'm super parched now and it just feels so dry, like I wouldn't even be able to sleep knowing that my throat is this parched. 0.97

01:49:09.000 I know, and I want water, but then I know I'll have to pee.

01:49:13.000 But you know what?

01:49:14.000 I drink so much water, and I think it's one of the most important things you can do in terms of health.

01:49:19.000 I just think there's a lot of people out there that are unknowingly dehydrated, and I'm not.

01:49:26.000 I drink water all the time, and I just think it's so important to do.

01:49:30.000 That's why I saw you with that big-ass jug. 0.85

01:49:33.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 No, yeah.

01:49:34.000 I'm like, right when it runs out, fill it back up, and I just sip it all day.

01:49:38.000 And you cut it off at what time at night?

01:49:42.000 Typically, it's about half an hour before I go to bed.

01:49:46.000 That's it?

01:49:47.000 Yeah.

01:49:48.000 Yeah, I just make sure I piss with higher frequency before bed. 1.00

01:49:52.000 I can hold my piss like a motherfucker during a podcast, but at 4 o'clock in the morning, it's almost always like, God damn it, I wake up from a nightmare or something like that, and I'm like, fuck, I gotta pee. 0.99

01:50:03.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:50:04.000 I'm a bit lucky in that regard, I guess.

01:50:07.000 You could probably manipulate your electrolyte intake a bit, too, to hold more water with your sodium and whatnot.

01:50:13.000 I do take a lot of liquid IV, which is an electrolyte supplement that I love.

01:50:18.000 I take that stuff a lot.

01:50:20.000 Yeah, and I don't know that necessarily having more...

01:50:24.000 Forcing your body to hold more water isn't necessarily healthy anyways.

01:50:27.000 No.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, but...

01:50:30.000 I don't try to do it past my thirst, but I'm always thirsty.

01:50:34.000 Yeah.

01:50:35.000 I'm just always drinking water.

01:50:36.000 And if I'm not drinking water, I'm drinking something like Zevia, which is like Stevia-flavored soft drinks.

01:50:43.000 Yeah, that stuff's pretty good for being naturally flavored.

01:50:47.000 Tastes good, right? 0.69

01:50:48.000 Yeah, the cream soda one is pretty goddamn close.

01:50:51.000 Black cherry's pretty good, too.

01:50:52.000 In Canada, I don't know why the diet pop options are so limited.

01:50:56.000 Like, our grocery stores are like a fraction of what you have available here when it comes to diet substitutes.

01:51:02.000 But we have Zevia, and it's like the only diet cream soda thing I have access to, and it's like one of my go-tos.

01:51:10.000 Does that mean Canada have smarter laws? 0.98

01:51:14.000 No, they just have all the full sugar shit and not as many of the alternative diet substitute versions that are zero calorie or stuff like that. 0.98

01:51:23.000 Is the thought that the diet stuff's bad for you? 0.98

01:51:27.000 I think we just don't have as much stuff.

01:51:31.000 What is it like over there right now with the COVID mandates and the vaccine mandates?

01:51:38.000 Oh, where I am on the West Coast, it's basically everywhere you go into, you have to wear a mask.

01:51:46.000 You have to show proof of vaccination to get into pretty much everything except grocery stores.

01:51:54.000 What else?

01:51:55.000 Like fast food restaurants.

01:51:58.000 Gyms, you do need to show it, which is problematic, obviously, because it's kind of like paradoxical to, oh, you want to be healthy, but we're not going to let you be healthy unless you get this thing, you know what I mean? 0.90

01:52:10.000 But pretty much everywhere you need it, other than grocery stores and a couple random things that are less relevant.

01:52:18.000 And what are the regulations?

01:52:20.000 We were talking earlier, but I haven't even checked.

01:52:22.000 Maybe we should check.

01:52:23.000 If you want to fly into Canada, don't you have to be vaccinated?

01:52:26.000 You have to get a PCR test, and it has to be negative.

01:52:32.000 Whereas to come into here, you can get a rapid antigen or a PCR, and they'll take both.

01:52:37.000 To America.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, but going into Canada, you take the more strict, elaborate one that's higher sensitivity.

01:52:44.000 Do you have to be vaccinated as well?

01:52:45.000 Right now, I don't 100%.

01:52:48.000 I believe you do.

01:52:51.000 It's because I have a show there on 420 that's been rescheduled for two years in a row because of the pandemic.

01:52:58.000 It was supposed to be April 20th of 2020 and then it was April 20th of 2021. So you chose 420 there for a particular reason, I would imagine.

01:53:09.000 Yeah.

01:53:09.000 I do a 420 show every year.

01:53:11.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 I do it somewhere where weed's legal.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, okay.

01:53:13.000 Just have a 420. It's been like a tradition that I've had for several years.

01:53:17.000 But I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it.

01:53:21.000 And I was thinking, like, maybe I could do it somewhere across the border in, like, Washington State.

01:53:28.000 Just have everyone drive over who has tickets. 1.00

01:53:30.000 Dude, Seattle's a fucking war zone. 0.99

01:53:32.000 I'll meet you in Blaine, Washington, bro. 1.00

01:53:34.000 Seattle is a war zone.

01:53:36.000 It is so wild there now.

01:53:38.000 It's literally like a third world country about to implode.

01:53:41.000 I used to go there years ago, and it was gorgeous.

01:53:44.000 You'd see a few homeless people every now and then, but it was all tech money and everything. 0.98

01:53:48.000 Now, every time you turn on the news, after they fucking took over that six block, the Antifa people took over that six block area in downtown Seattle, and the mayor called it the Summer of Love, and everybody was like, what is this bitch saying? 0.98

01:54:03.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

01:54:05.000 You got fucking Antifa took over your town. 1.00

01:54:07.000 You've got literal militants controlling the streets like warlords. 1.00

01:54:13.000 They were beating people up that took photographs and videos.

01:54:19.000 They had their own...

01:54:22.000 Police.

01:54:23.000 They were using their own authoritarian control system.

01:54:30.000 Somebody got shot there, and then eventually the whole thing imploded, and the police recaptured it.

01:54:37.000 But it was like, what is happening to Seattle?

01:54:39.000 And Portland's even worse.

01:54:41.000 You've got to get sunlight, kids.

01:54:44.000 Something about that Pacific Northwest.

01:54:47.000 What's it like in Vancouver right now?

01:54:49.000 In terms of...

01:54:51.000 Like chaos post-COVID. There's been some protests and stuff downtown, but I think it's...

01:54:57.000 I don't know, there's very strict gun laws in Canada, so I think it's...

01:55:01.000 I don't really know how much less or more problematic that is because of that, but there's not that much violence in Vancouver, but there is protests against the vaccine and stuff like that, and...

01:55:15.000 I don't know.

01:55:16.000 Like, I kind of stay out of the downtown area nowadays. 0.98

01:55:18.000 It's kind of going to shit a bit.

01:55:20.000 Like, a lot of people have moved from down... 0.97

01:55:22.000 It used to be the place to be, downtown Vancouver. 0.98

01:55:24.000 And then a lot of people have moved to the suburbs away from it to get away from the bullshit. 0.96

01:55:28.000 And the prices did not go... 0.99

01:55:31.000 They're still exorbitantly high and ridiculous. 0.73

01:55:34.000 So, it's kind of like... 0.62

01:55:36.000 I don't know.

01:55:37.000 Like, of all the places to live, the most overpriced, I think it's like...

01:55:40.000 Vancouver, Toronto, California, New York kind of places are all absurd. 1.00

01:55:45.000 They're all going to shit. 0.99

01:55:46.000 Yeah, so even to live in a relatively chaotic area of downtown and get a shithole house, it's like a couple million bucks potentially. 1.00

01:55:58.000 Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration, but like a shithole would be like a million dollars for sure.

01:56:02.000 It is wild.

01:56:03.000 Yeah.

01:56:03.000 Those prices are wild.

01:56:04.000 I remember when I was a kid and you thought about someone having a million dollar house.

01:56:07.000 Like, wow.

01:56:07.000 No, a million is like the pinnacle number of like, you're rich now.

01:56:10.000 Now it gets you like what?

01:56:12.000 Gets you a shack.

01:56:13.000 Yeah.

01:56:14.000 San Francisco is the worst. 1.00

01:56:15.000 San Francisco is crazy overpriced and filled with like homeless people shooting up in the streets and taking shits in front of parked cars. 1.00

01:56:23.000 It's wild. 1.00

01:56:24.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 Yeah, there's this area in Vancouver called Hastings, and it's just...

01:56:28.000 We call it Resident Evil when we drive through it, because it's just like going through a zombie video game, essentially.

01:56:36.000 And yeah, it's absurd.

01:56:38.000 It's all these liberal cities, too, which used to be amazing just a few years ago.

01:56:43.000 It's like... 0.99

01:56:43.000 You see what happens when the shit hits the fan and then they have to make decisions. 0.99

01:56:48.000 They revert to this sort of authoritarian way of doing things. 1.00

01:56:53.000 And then they're also paradoxically lenient on crime.

01:56:58.000 Yeah.

01:56:58.000 It's kind of unfortunate too because it's not like I have a lot of flexibility if I ever want to move because like where else do I go in Canada and then getting citizenship in the States is quite difficult to do.

01:57:07.000 What is it like if you're a Canadian and you want to come over here?

01:57:11.000 You have to get a visa. 0.93

01:57:12.000 Or marry a white chick. 1.00

01:57:13.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:57:14.000 I mean a white chick. 1.00

01:57:15.000 Marry a Canadian. 0.95

01:57:15.000 I'm like, you're from another country. 0.95

01:57:17.000 That's funny.

01:57:19.000 If you marry some American lady, how difficult...

01:57:25.000 It's like, if you marry an American lady, do you have to... 0.62

01:57:29.000 How does that work?

01:57:32.000 Do you have to prove that you love her? 0.95

01:57:35.000 I don't know, because I think, isn't there mail-order brides from Russia and shit who come to the States and get green cards? 0.98

01:57:43.000 That's a good question. 0.97

01:57:44.000 Like, is there countries where they're less likely to believe you?

01:57:48.000 That's a good question, right?

01:57:50.000 Yeah.

01:57:51.000 Like, if you want to sneak over from Haiti, like all those people coming from Haiti, and then, like, you know, you see this lady comes over from Haiti and immediately gets married to some American guy, like, hey, how'd you meet?

01:58:01.000 Yeah, I guess it's kind of like an ethical, weird thing where you're like an official government guy and you have to criticize a relationship's validity.

01:58:11.000 I think they do.

01:58:12.000 I think you have to have meetings. 1.00

01:58:13.000 They're like, there's no way this fucking guy would get this chick. 0.99

01:58:15.000 Because I know a guy who did marry a girl who came over from Russia, and that's how he did it. 0.99

01:58:22.000 But they were friends. 0.97

01:58:23.000 I think she was like his roommate, and he married her, but I don't even think they were fucking. 0.66

01:58:27.000 I think he just... 0.88

01:58:28.000 Ryan did the deal, for sure.

01:58:29.000 I think he just did it for her so she could stay here.

01:58:33.000 But they had to go places, and they had to go to some sort of a meeting where this guy's like, how long have you been married?

01:58:41.000 You guys are real close.

01:58:43.000 Like, what's up?

01:58:44.000 You have to get a...

01:58:45.000 I mean, because people have...

01:58:48.000 There are people that have asexual relationships, but they're married.

01:58:53.000 They're married, but they don't really have sex anymore. 0.99

01:58:56.000 I'm trying to imagine having a serious interview with a guy who's like, so, do you guys fuck? 1.00

01:59:00.000 How much do you like to fuck her, bro? 1.00

01:59:02.000 Do you actually like fucking this guy, or are you just here for... 1.00

01:59:05.000 Right. 1.00

01:59:06.000 And if you do fuck the guy, but you don't like it, is that disqualifying? 1.00

01:59:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:11.000 Like, I do it because I want green cards.

01:59:14.000 Yeah.

01:59:14.000 Like, how does that work?

01:59:16.000 I don't know. 0.96

01:59:17.000 What the fuck do they do about that? 0.99

01:59:19.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:59:20.000 Oh, here it is.

01:59:20.000 I think you have to prove to make a bona fide marriage in the eyes of the...

01:59:25.000 Documents showing co-mingling of financial resources, such as joint bank accounts.

01:59:30.000 But I have a friend who's married, and him and his wife have different bank accounts, and she kept her maiden name.

01:59:34.000 These are examples.

01:59:36.000 They wouldn't be able to do it.

01:59:36.000 Oh, more than one thing.

01:59:38.000 I get it.

01:59:39.000 Credit card statements, tax returns, blah, blah, blah.

01:59:42.000 Documents showing joint ownership of property, such as a home or auto title.

01:59:47.000 A lease showing a joint tenancy of a common residence, birth certificates of children born into the marriage.

01:59:55.000 Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties having personal knowledge of the bona fides of the marital relationships.

02:00:02.000 That's funny.

02:00:02.000 The bona fides.

02:00:04.000 This here is a bona fide relationship.

02:00:06.000 I love my wife.

02:00:08.000 I'm not just a Canadian coming over here.

02:00:11.000 It's a bona fide marriage. 1.00

02:00:12.000 Look at that fucking racist photo they used. 1.00

02:00:14.000 This poor dude looked like he's smiling next to a lady who doesn't really love him. 1.00

02:00:19.000 Look, I love you.

02:00:20.000 I'm in America now.

02:00:23.000 Look at this.

02:00:24.000 The USCIS will scrutinize your case to confirm there is no attempt to evade immigration laws with a fraudulent marriage.

02:00:34.000 What's a fraudulent marriage? 0.99

02:00:35.000 You can't tell me what the fuck a fraudulent marriage is. 0.99

02:00:38.000 If I say I do, and she says I do, we're good. 0.99

02:00:42.000 You can be married to someone else is one of the things they said.

02:00:44.000 There's a list of stuff that if you're a drug abuser or addict, drug trafficker, they won't allow you to go through either.

02:00:51.000 What if you're just a drug enthusiast?

02:00:54.000 I'm not an abuser.

02:00:55.000 Scroll back down.

02:00:56.000 Scroll back down to what we were just looking at.

02:00:58.000 Look at this.

02:00:59.000 This is what's funny.

02:01:01.000 It says here...

02:01:03.000 Oh, here it is.

02:01:05.000 Anybody can get a marriage certificate.

02:01:09.000 USCIS will need evidence that your marriage is the real thing.

02:01:13.000 Therefore, it'll be necessary to submit evidence that you and your spouse have a genuine, bona fide marriage.

02:01:21.000 To establish the bona fides.

02:01:23.000 I've never seen more bona fides.

02:01:25.000 I wonder how you qualify for that job.

02:01:27.000 That's funny.

02:01:28.000 To be the guy who...

02:01:29.000 Completely dismantles relationships and decides.

02:01:32.000 Well, I know a guy who's married, and I'm pretty sure he's gay, and he's got an older wife, and it seems like they'd get along.

02:01:38.000 They have this weird relationship, but they're married.

02:01:41.000 He says, this is my wife.

02:01:42.000 She said, this is my husband.

02:01:44.000 And I'm like, okay.

02:01:45.000 I believe it.

02:01:46.000 Maybe they're just great friends.

02:01:48.000 I don't know.

02:01:49.000 That's not a real marriage?

02:01:50.000 Yeah.

02:01:51.000 They seem like they're married.

02:01:52.000 Yeah.

02:01:54.000 I don't know.

02:01:54.000 I do not want to have to go down that path to get citizenship.

02:01:57.000 Bro, find yourself a nice Texas lady. 1.00

02:01:59.000 Settle down.

02:02:01.000 Settle down here in America. 0.94

02:02:03.000 It's weird, right?

02:02:04.000 Because, like, Canada is a strange one.

02:02:07.000 Because everybody speaks English, and they look exactly the same. 0.99

02:02:11.000 Like a Canadian. 1.00

02:02:12.000 You could easily have a Texas accent.

02:02:14.000 You could easily have a California or a Chicago accent.

02:02:16.000 People somehow claim that they can tell in my videos that I'm Canadian.

02:02:22.000 Yeah, no, I can tell.

02:02:23.000 Oh, really?

02:02:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:24.000 You say, you have a boat.

02:02:25.000 You say that occasionally.

02:02:27.000 You have like certain ways of saying things where I'd go, oh yeah, he's probably Canadian.

02:02:31.000 But when I first watched your video, I did not think that.

02:02:34.000 It took time.

02:02:35.000 It took like, and also, man, maybe I knew you were Canadian.

02:02:40.000 I might be lying.

02:02:41.000 I might have known you were Canadian and then started seeing it first, you know?

02:02:45.000 Not that bad, but there's like a, there's like a part, there's a certain, the way Canadians talk.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, one of the, I did a video a long time ago on Jason Momoa, I think, and his role in Aquaman, and the way I say aqua, apparently, is like, instead of aqua. 0.98

02:03:03.000 And just like certain things like that, people would clue into and be like, what the fuck? 0.57

02:03:07.000 What a weird way to say this. 0.98

02:03:09.000 Oh, did you think Jason Momoa was on the sauce? 0.99

02:03:13.000 I think my conclusion at the time, that was a really iffy one, because the guy is just a built fucking dude to begin with, with like a big frame. 0.90

02:03:21.000 But it would be like safer to assume than not that he probably did a little something for his peak superhero, you know, role. 0.82

02:03:29.000 Yeah, and the money that you're talking about, like if someone's playing Thor, like that's a good one.

02:03:35.000 Yeah, that guy sauced it up 100%.

02:03:37.000 Hemsworth.

02:03:38.000 Ah, love it!

02:03:39.000 Yeah.

02:03:40.000 Yeah, I think so too.

02:03:41.000 Not that there's anything wrong with that.

02:03:42.000 Hemsworth packed on like 20 pounds or 30 pounds in a matter of like six months or something absurd.

02:03:48.000 Yeah, pretty quickly.

02:03:49.000 Yeah, and if you look at him before Thor 1, it was like a night and day difference.

02:03:55.000 He looked like a skateboarder.

02:03:56.000 Yeah, he looked like a surfer dude.

02:03:58.000 Ah, look at the video before.

02:04:02.000 That's hilarious.

02:04:03.000 My God, he looks so thin.

02:04:05.000 Oh my God, that looks like he's like 20 years old though.

02:04:09.000 The one on the left, he doesn't even look like he's 20. He looks really young.

02:04:14.000 Doesn't he?

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 It's not like he had a bad... 0.60

02:04:19.000 He's still athletic and has a good frame beforehand, but that's the reason why he also ends up the way he does when he takes gear, because a lot of people who take gear, they still look like shit, to be honest, but it's still pretty obvious he packed on just exorbitant amounts of tissue very quick. 0.84

02:04:33.000 So he had a great frame. 0.97

02:04:34.000 See, there's that fat suit that he put on.

02:04:37.000 Look at that.

02:04:38.000 Yeah.

02:04:40.000 That's crazy.

02:04:43.000 He does have a great frame for it though.

02:04:46.000 That's one of the superheroes I think actually looks like the superhero you would picture kind of thing.

02:04:52.000 Yeah.

02:04:53.000 Because it's very difficult, especially when you're growing up and you get influenced by these comic books and you see them and they look like Mr. Olympia competitors in the comic books.

02:05:01.000 Right.

02:05:01.000 And I just find it hilarious how many women complain about body, like obviously they have their own issues with unrealistic body image, you know, things that are portrayed to be the ideal for women.

02:05:13.000 But those physiques are achievable through like some like nutrient deprivation, excessive cardio or whatever.

02:05:19.000 Whereas for us, the physique we're told is like the ideal is achieved through grams and copious amounts of exogenous steroids that are going to kill you in like 15 years.

02:05:29.000 Yeah.

02:05:29.000 And then, yeah, and it's like that is what's portrayed on us as like ultimate, you know, pinnacle of masculinity, some ridiculous, unrealistic ideal that you'll never get to.

02:05:39.000 Even if you had prime genetics and sauce your face off and ate food all day and trained every fucking day perfectly, you'll still never get there in most cases. 0.73

02:05:47.000 I think there are certain women that want an excuse for why they're big. 1.00

02:05:51.000 Oh yeah, there's definitely a huge push towards pro-obesity stuff now. 0.97

02:05:57.000 Yeah, well, it's ridiculous, this body positivity nonsense. 0.99

02:06:01.000 Listen, it doesn't mean you need to be mean to someone who's overweight, but to pretend that that's healthy is fucking preposterous. 0.99

02:06:08.000 Yeah, too. 0.90

02:06:09.000 The problem, I don't see anything wrong with, of course, if you just want to be a certain way, or you have.

02:06:14.000 Like, some people, through epigenetics, when they're born, their parents, the way their lifestyle is, will literally influence their kid's baseline as to how, you know, they're...

02:06:26.000 Right.

02:06:40.000 Right.

02:06:43.000 Right.

02:06:53.000 Well, not only that, I mean, especially during the pandemic and especially during when we talked about this yesterday, they pulled up the study where it was showing how COVID affects overweight people so much differently because their body literally doesn't produce the antibodies correctly because of the obesity.

02:07:14.000 Like obesity has an effect on the way your body produces antibodies.

02:07:17.000 And so that's why at one point in time, at least 78% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were overweight.

02:07:24.000 Yeah, pretty much everything in your body, physiologic process-wise, functions better when you're, you know, a lean slash athletic body composition, have some muscle, have good glycemic control.

02:07:35.000 Did you see the podcast that I did with Peter Attia?

02:07:37.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:07:38.000 He's amazing.

02:07:39.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 But one of the things that Peter, who's a, he's an oncologist, and now he does mostly life extension medicine, but he said, or he's an oncologist, A surgeon?

02:07:51.000 Is an oncologist someone who does cancer surgeries?

02:07:55.000 Whatever he is.

02:07:56.000 Genius guy.

02:07:57.000 He said that having high cardio, having a high cardiovascular fitness level, reduces your all-cause mortality by five-fold.

02:08:10.000 Mm-hmm.

02:08:11.000 Which is so crazy.

02:08:12.000 He's like, we don't have a drug that can reduce your all-cause mortality by five-fold.

02:08:17.000 And if you did, my God, everybody would want to take it.

02:08:20.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 But that's all you have to do is just have great cardio.

02:08:22.000 Yeah.

02:08:23.000 Yeah, and they won't tell you that, unfortunately.

02:08:24.000 Well, they don't want you to feel bad that you don't have any willpower.

02:08:29.000 True.

02:08:30.000 That too.

02:08:31.000 Yeah.

02:08:32.000 One thing I thought that was really interesting is he mentioned the use of flavoxamine in attenuating the COVID-19.

02:08:38.000 Yeah, that's definitely a super promising intervention now.

02:08:41.000 And it has so many multifaceted applications.

02:08:44.000 And I don't know why more people aren't looking at it for a concurrent adjunct to be used alongside the main thing that everyone thinks is the only thing you can use right now.

02:08:54.000 That vaccine thing?

02:08:55.000 Yeah, that thing.

02:08:56.000 Well, what's interesting, too, is that there's so many different things that we've learned over this pandemic.

02:09:03.000 And this is, I think, maybe the bright side of it, that people have learned about the actual effect of obesity in your immune system. 0.93

02:09:11.000 Whereas before, the body positive shit was so prevalent that it never got discussed. 0.98

02:09:17.000 Like, what are the negative consequences of being obese? 0.98

02:09:20.000 But now people get it, and they get it in their head, and a lot of people have made positive health choices, including my friend Laura.

02:09:27.000 My friend Laura Bites, who's a hilarious comic.

02:09:29.000 I take her with me on the road all the time.

02:09:31.000 She lost... 0.88

02:09:32.000 What is she down like?

02:09:34.000 She's down more than 50 pounds. 1.00

02:09:36.000 I think she's down close to 60 pounds. 1.00

02:09:39.000 Maybe I'm wrong, but there's pictures of her on her Instagram.

02:09:42.000 Go to Laura's Instagram.

02:09:45.000 She's pretty... 1.00

02:09:46.000 She's very bold the way she takes these photos because she shows herself with a sports bra on, just fat as fuck. 1.00

02:09:56.000 And then the next one, she's super lean and healthy. 1.00

02:09:59.000 Look at that.

02:10:00.000 Wow.

02:10:01.000 Look at that.

02:10:02.000 That is a positive change over the pandemic.

02:10:06.000 Do you know what's wild?

02:10:06.000 Have you seen Adele before and after?

02:10:09.000 Yes.

02:10:09.000 And people get pissed.

02:10:10.000 They're mad at her!

02:10:11.000 Yeah.

02:10:12.000 They're mad at her.

02:10:12.000 She's a smoke show now.

02:10:14.000 They're like, pissed she's going to be less likely to die.

02:10:17.000 And it's like their person that they want to see thrive and make music. 1.00

02:10:21.000 And they're like, you suck for... 0.99

02:10:23.000 You used to be one of us, and now you make me feel bad. 1.00

02:10:26.000 Because now they see her, and she's a fucking, this hot lady. 1.00

02:10:31.000 She's hot and lean, and you see her like, give me a recent picture of Adele. 1.00

02:10:36.000 She looks fucking hot. 1.00

02:10:39.000 Like, she's beautiful. 0.99

02:10:40.000 Like, who would have guessed?

02:10:42.000 Like, she always looked pretty.

02:10:43.000 Like, she had pretty with her big face. 0.95

02:10:45.000 But then when you see her when she's, like, really lean, like, how much weight has she lost?

02:10:49.000 I don't know.

02:10:50.000 It's dramatic, though.

02:10:51.000 But she didn't do surgery, she just did... 1.00

02:10:53.000 No, I think most people that... 0.99

02:10:55.000 Well, not everyone, because there's that fucking alien guy who thinks he needs everything, regardless of how jacked or lean he is or whatever. 0.98

02:11:03.000 100-pound weight loss. 0.99

02:11:04.000 My God.

02:11:06.000 Yeah, that's insane.

02:11:06.000 Amazing.

02:11:07.000 Look at that.

02:11:08.000 Bro, she's stunning. 0.99

02:11:09.000 Jawline City.

02:11:10.000 She's so pretty.

02:11:12.000 It's crazy.

02:11:13.000 Look at her.

02:11:14.000 Look at her body. 0.99

02:11:15.000 It's incredible.

02:11:16.000 And women are mad at her. 1.00

02:11:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:18.000 You fucking bitch. 1.00

02:11:20.000 You used to be one of us. 1.00

02:11:22.000 Eating donuts and singing like an angel. 0.99

02:11:25.000 No, it's crazy how much Fat Shroud's facial features, too, where it's like somebody who they thought they were ugly and then they just got in shape and it's like, oh, wow, you're fucking hot. 0.82

02:11:34.000 Look at what's going on under there.

02:11:36.000 Everything gets bigger.

02:11:38.000 Your nose gets bigger.

02:11:39.000 Your eyebrows get bigger. 0.93

02:11:42.000 It's just fat.

02:11:43.000 Yeah, some of my old heavy-duty bulk photos from when I was into bodybuilding and didn't under...

02:11:50.000 I just thought more food equals more muscle, not that you're just going to gain disproportionate amounts of fat. 0.92

02:11:55.000 So I used to force-feed the shit out of myself. 0.98

02:11:57.000 I just turned into like a bloated disaster at 40 pounds heavier than I should have been. 0.97

02:12:01.000 What was the heaviest you ever wore?

02:12:05.000 270 maybe.

02:12:07.000 And what do you weigh now?

02:12:08.000 Right now I'm probably like 220. And so when you're at 270, was that the bulking phase?

02:12:13.000 Yeah, and that was just like fat.

02:12:14.000 There you go.

02:12:17.000 That picture on the left is like, yeah, look how round my head is just in general.

02:12:23.000 Yeah, you got a big round face.

02:12:24.000 Yeah.

02:12:25.000 And then the right shredded.

02:12:26.000 That's the most shredded you ever wear?

02:12:29.000 Probably, yeah.

02:12:30.000 And so is that like your peak bodybuilding days?

02:12:33.000 Look at the size of your shoulders, son.

02:12:35.000 Is that just genetics?

02:12:36.000 Like those kind of shoulders?

02:12:37.000 Like that big?

02:12:38.000 Yeah, some of it is gear-related, too, though, because there's an idea that there's more androgen receptors in your delts and traps, so you sort of see this. 0.99

02:12:47.000 This is almost one of the ways you can identify guys who use shit, too. 0.72

02:12:50.000 Like, you know, when you saw Vitor, you're like, his traps are up to his... 0.99

02:12:53.000 Yeah, there's more androgen receptors in there that steroids bind to.

02:12:57.000 So you can sort of identify a guy who has disproportionate development, like, oh, he's probably using hormones.

02:13:03.000 Interesting.

02:13:04.000 Yeah.

02:13:04.000 I didn't know that.

02:13:06.000 I just thought it made all the muscles grow.

02:13:09.000 Yeah.

02:13:10.000 Look at those shoulders. 1.00

02:13:11.000 Damn, son! 1.00

02:13:15.000 Shoulders are a big one. 1.00

02:13:16.000 That's a big muscle group.

02:13:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:18.000 Like, for whatever reason, like, you know, like, girls, it's a big butt. 1.00

02:13:23.000 With guys, it's big shoulders. 0.98

02:13:24.000 Yeah.

02:13:25.000 There's, like, different muscle groups that have, like, an effect.

02:13:29.000 Oh, there's one of me being fat.

02:13:31.000 Oh, yeah, this is that video I made, like, forever ago.

02:13:34.000 Yeah, I did not have HGH gut.

02:13:37.000 I ate a giant bowl of spaghetti with sausage.

02:13:41.000 In hindsight, I think it was just gut dysbiosis from your diet at the time.

02:13:46.000 Because you got rid of it pretty quick, right?

02:13:48.000 Yeah, I got rid of it real quick.

02:13:49.000 But it was also that night.

02:13:51.000 That was a nighttime podcast, and I had eaten a huge meal before we did that.

02:13:55.000 You still use GH, though, right?

02:13:56.000 I use IGF now.

02:13:58.000 And I use it rarely.

02:13:59.000 I use it like every four days or something like that.

02:14:02.000 Okay.

02:14:03.000 And I'm using Sermoralin too.

02:14:06.000 Okay.

02:14:06.000 That's what I'm using now.

02:14:08.000 I'm transitioning to that.

02:14:09.000 So why'd you switch?

02:14:11.000 Just to try different stuff, see what it's like.

02:14:13.000 Because I was only using, even when I was using growth, I was using one unit.

02:14:17.000 It was a very small dose.

02:14:19.000 And so to switch over to, this guy that I work with was using IGF-1, and he's using it intermittently, using it every four days.

02:14:31.000 Do you use it after your hardest workouts or something, or how do you time it?

02:14:34.000 He was just doing it in the morning, and so we tried to do it that way.

02:14:38.000 Hmm.

02:14:39.000 There are certain ways to time the growth factors to be, like, more productive.

02:14:44.000 Have you ever used some hormone?

02:14:45.000 Uh, so that's, like, growth hormone releasing hormone.

02:14:48.000 It's, like, a peptide.

02:14:49.000 And, like, personally, I see, uh...

02:14:53.000 There's something called CJC1295 that the same compounding pharmacy you probably get the Samorlin from probably makes.

02:15:00.000 That seems to be more efficacious, and I've used that over Samorlin, and I use a GHRP with it, like an ipamorelin concurrently with it, and it definitely works to some extent.

02:15:12.000 But for me, I don't know.

02:15:15.000 I like the fact that it works with your body's internal system, whereas GH is just an unregulated amount of hormone getting introduced into your system.

02:15:26.000 You have no control over how much output there is.

02:15:29.000 Right.

02:15:31.000 And CJC1295, it's like your pituitary, there's a bottleneck where you're not going to go over what you otherwise should need.

02:15:38.000 Right.

02:15:38.000 Because with GH, you could end up in a situation where you do have disproportionate insulin resistance developing, progressing cancer potentially, whereas you have this...

02:15:48.000 That would never happen with one unit, but within your own body's pituitary limits, the samoralin seems to be more favorable from a risk standpoint, at least.

02:15:57.000 The CJC, how often do you take that?

02:16:01.000 Well, it kind of depends on how frequently you want the benefits, because if you're using this stuff, you're going to get acute lipolysis when you're using it.

02:16:08.000 What's that mean?

02:16:10.000 Liberation of free fatty acids into circulation to then burn.

02:16:14.000 For GH or anything GH-related, they basically do...

02:16:18.000 Insulin is like a storage hormone, and GH is like a liberating...

02:16:24.000 Yeah.

02:16:41.000 So, that's as important, like, doing it, like, when you do it is very important.

02:16:48.000 I think so.

02:16:48.000 Because if you were just using GH just haphazardly all the time, hypothetically, if you have no...

02:16:54.000 Injuries to heal.

02:16:55.000 You have nothing really going on.

02:16:57.000 You're not exercising.

02:16:58.000 You're freeing up fatty acids, becoming insulin resistant, and then not burning them.

02:17:02.000 And they kind of just get redeposited, and you're making yourself acutely insulin resistant for no reason, essentially.

02:17:08.000 I have heard that, that people do develop insulin resistance from GH use.

02:17:13.000 I have heard of that.

02:17:14.000 I think that was from, there was a book that I had read like back in the day when I had first heard about people doing hormonal replacement, doing hormone replacement with growth hormone.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, it's definitely a real possibility.

02:17:30.000 Because some people too, they overdo it and they self-induce a state of acromegaly where they're like Andre the Giant basically, hormone levels.

02:17:39.000 But we had a guy named Bigfoot Silva that fought in the UFC that had a pituitary gland tumor.

02:17:45.000 And it was causing him to have gigantism.

02:17:48.000 And then they operated on the pituitary gland and then his body wasn't producing any hormones and so then he was fighting with no hormones and the problem was he just could not take a punch anymore where he was like indestructible before and Yeah.

02:18:06.000 And then all of a sudden he'd take a punch and he'd just go out.

02:18:09.000 And I mean, it's hard to say because part of that could have been, there's a thing that happens to a fighter when they've had X amount of pro fights, X amount of gym wars, X amount of sparring sessions.

02:18:20.000 They just can't take a shot anymore.

02:18:22.000 Yeah.

02:18:22.000 It's crazy.

02:18:23.000 It's crazy to watch because you watch a guy like Chuck Liddell was a great example.

02:18:27.000 He had an iron chin.

02:18:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:18:29.000 Crack him on the jaw, he would just fucking fire back, and you couldn't believe the shots he could eat. 0.99

02:18:34.000 And then one day he'd get hit, and bink, just like his legs would go, and he just would not be able to take a shot anymore. 0.99

02:18:41.000 And he actually explained it to me.

02:18:42.000 He said, it's like your body is trying to protect you from your toughness. 1.00

02:18:47.000 It's like your brain realizes, like, oh, this motherfucker's gonna stand and trade bombs with this guy again, and we're just gonna take the damage, fuck that, we're just gonna shut down the system. 1.00

02:18:57.000 And just shut off. 0.99

02:18:58.000 Yeah, I think that's almost sort of how, even as you get older, some of these processes down-regulate to, I think, conserve you as you become less capable of handling stressful events.

02:19:09.000 A lot of people, they want to replace every hormone that gets shut down.

02:19:14.000 But, like, there's a theory that maybe these things are downregulating on purpose to avoid things like cancer and whatnot.

02:19:21.000 Right.

02:19:21.000 As you get older, yeah.

02:19:23.000 One of the things that I've done recently that helped me a lot is hyperbaric chamber use.

02:19:29.000 I followed that Israeli, there's an Israeli university that did a protocol which was for 90 days you do 60 sessions of 90 minutes per day, 60 of those 90 minute sessions, and you found at the end of the 90 days they had an increase of the telomeres which corresponded to a 20 year decrease in biological age.

02:19:54.000 Have you done one of those Horvath clock assessments or anything?

02:19:58.000 I need to do that now.

02:19:59.000 I need to do that.

02:20:00.000 No, I have not.

02:20:00.000 That would be interesting.

02:20:01.000 Yeah, I'm very interested.

02:20:02.000 Especially after doing the hyperbaric chamber sessions.

02:20:04.000 Because it made a big difference.

02:20:06.000 I felt lighter, if that makes any sense.

02:20:08.000 I felt like, ooh.

02:20:12.000 I always feel good because one of the things that I've been very fortunate about is that I've been very consistent.

02:20:19.000 I've never got really out of shape.

02:20:21.000 I've gotten fat before, but it's just for gluttony.

02:20:25.000 I'm a glutton.

02:20:26.000 I will eat two pizzas.

02:20:29.000 If it's in front of me, especially carbs, I just don't stop.

02:20:33.000 I don't get how some people can Portion out junk food and just eat a little bit of this.

02:20:39.000 Not me, bro.

02:20:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:20:40.000 If I'm going to eat shitty, it's like full board. 0.97

02:20:42.000 I'm coma-ing myself. 0.98

02:20:44.000 Yes.

02:20:45.000 Yeah.

02:20:45.000 It's like either have it out of the house or if it's in there, it's getting fully destructed.

02:20:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:20:49.000 If I'm pulling into a drive-thru late at night and it's like a fucking jack-in-the-box, we're going to have a problem. 0.98

02:20:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:56.000 I'm going ham. 0.99

02:20:57.000 Yeah.

02:20:58.000 Yeah.

02:20:59.000 But for me, the big one has always been pasta.

02:21:02.000 Yeah.

02:21:02.000 And I get so fat.

02:21:04.000 And it's always like right here.

02:21:05.000 It sticks out my sides and my guts too.

02:21:08.000 I think it's also like a gluten issue because both of my kids have gluten issues.

02:21:14.000 And I guarantee you if I got my allergies checked, I guarantee you I have a gluten allergy.

02:21:19.000 Because every time I eat a lot of pizza or a lot of pasta, it's not like when I eat a lot of meat.

02:21:24.000 If I eat a lot of meat, I don't see like a distended belly.

02:21:27.000 But if I eat pasta, I'm like... 0.99

02:21:30.000 I think some of it is like the bacteria in your gut to process the shit too could be more like gas producing. 0.99

02:21:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:21:38.000 And it's just like... 0.98

02:21:39.000 Because it's like there's no way the overall mass of the food is producing this much of a difference where it's like I sat down with a flat stomach and now it's like touching the fucking table. 0.98

02:21:48.000 But the thing is it's like you're eating dough. 0.99

02:21:52.000 Yeah.

02:21:52.000 It's just glue.

02:21:54.000 It really is.

02:21:55.000 It's like...

02:21:57.000 It's like flour and water, and they dry it out, and then they boil it, so it takes the water back, and then you're going, bah, bah, bah.

02:22:06.000 You're eating glue, and it just sits there.

02:22:08.000 Almost like the silicone tit discussion.

02:22:10.000 It almost reminds me of, like, with food, too.

02:22:12.000 When I look at something that's literally not even, has no nutrient substance whatsoever, and yet I want it like an idiot, and I disproportionately eat so much of it that I know it's going to make me feel sick, too. 0.98

02:22:25.000 And it's like, you know, gonna be like pro fucking cancer, pro get fat, pro everything that I don't want, but it tastes, makes me feel very dumb. 0.99

02:22:33.000 Yeah, pro inflammation, your back hurts more, you got weird neck pains after you eat a lot of pasta. 0.98

02:22:39.000 Even focusing on, if I eat a meal like that, I know the rest of my day work quality wise and focusing on anything is out the window.

02:22:46.000 The brain fog is severe.

02:22:48.000 Oh, it's unbelievable.

02:22:50.000 That was one of the more interesting things about the carnivore diet.

02:22:54.000 When I did that one month of January, I'm going to do it again this year as well, where I just ate meat.

02:23:01.000 I only ate meat for a whole month.

02:23:04.000 My energy levels were so consistent.

02:23:07.000 It was really interesting.

02:23:09.000 That's what's made me sort of consider either...

02:23:12.000 I haven't done a ketogenic diet.

02:23:14.000 I've never done carnivore.

02:23:15.000 I've done keto a couple times, but it was super long ago, and I was never doing anything entrepreneurial at the time, so it was irrelevant, me assessing the brain fog back then, so I don't even remember what it was like.

02:23:26.000 But now, from a cognitive aspect, I notice a dramatic...

02:23:29.000 Anytime I have a super carb-dense meal...

02:23:31.000 The brain fog is just like another 20% added every like carb dense meal until the end of the day you're just like in a fucking haze trying to work and it's just not even like nothing productive is happening and I know guys who do carnivore or keto diets you stay mentally sharp.

02:23:49.000 Perpetually, because your blood sugar is just stable, you're not spiking your insulin through the roof.

02:23:53.000 So, I've been very, very tempted to try it, personally, just for the cognitive elements, but the dramatic decrease, and you lose, like, instantly, like, 10 pounds of water, like, out of the muscle, specifically, from the lack of glycogen, and the performance hit you take in the gym.

02:24:07.000 It's very hard to build muscle when you're in keto, or it's harder.

02:24:11.000 That's sort of like, eh, I've been like weighing it out in my head if I should try it or not.

02:24:15.000 Yeah, I wonder if your body adapts eventually.

02:24:17.000 Because you said the carnivore thing hit your performance pretty hard in the gym.

02:24:21.000 Yeah, it hit my performance, especially doing rounds in the bag.

02:24:24.000 Like, I would be okay for the first like 30 seconds.

02:24:27.000 I have like, I feel good and strong.

02:24:30.000 But then there's like this, oh, Jesus.

02:24:32.000 I wonder if you could do like carnivore as your base diet and then just around the workout sessions that you're trying to get that acute...

02:24:40.000 I think?

02:24:57.000 The workout perimeter, but then during the workout, you give just the fuel you need, carbohydrate-wise, might be an approach that's worthwhile.

02:25:04.000 Yeah, it seems like that's possible, and I know some guys have done that with apples, and for whatever reason, that combination seems to be pretty common.

02:25:13.000 Wouldn't the fiber in it be too slow?

02:25:17.000 I don't know.

02:25:19.000 There's something called cyclic dextrin, which is something you can buy.

02:25:23.000 It's like a carbohydrate powder that's very, very light.

02:25:25.000 Is that like the gels that those cyclists take?

02:25:29.000 Glucose gels?

02:25:30.000 I don't know exactly what those comprise of, but the gastric emptying of this stuff is very, very fast intestinal transit to the point that it's in and out of your system.

02:25:39.000 So you have low GI stress in and out of your system quick, so you could hypothetically fuel up for the workout, burn it, and then be back into keto relatively quick, ideally, I would think.

02:25:50.000 It might be worthwhile to try.

02:25:52.000 Yeah, it might be worthwhile.

02:25:53.000 Because an apple, I think you're going to spend way more time digesting that than...

02:25:57.000 Because of the fiber and everything?

02:25:58.000 Yeah.

02:25:58.000 What if you had apples, say if you have an apple or two, just an hour and a half before a hard workout?

02:26:08.000 You'd have to experiment, I guess, because ultimately, I'm sure you can tell a dramatic difference when you, the keto adaptation period is pretty rough from what I remember, like transitioning.

02:26:19.000 So I think you'd tell if it was making the transition in and out difficult from like a time duration standpoint pretty quick.

02:26:26.000 The keto fog has nothing on the carnivore diarrhea.

02:26:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:30.000 Yeah, didn't you, like, shit your brains up for the first couple of weeks? 1.00

02:26:33.000 Bro. 1.00

02:26:34.000 Yeah.

02:26:34.000 It's wild.

02:26:35.000 Tom Segura tried the diet as well, and he sent me a text that was hilarious.

02:26:39.000 He goes, this diarrhea is astonishing.

02:26:42.000 So is it, like, the frequency all day, too? 0.99

02:26:45.000 Or is it just, like, when you take a shit, it's liquid? 0.99

02:26:49.000 It's liquid. 0.99

02:26:50.000 But do you, like, have to go suddenly at random times that are inconvenient?

02:26:54.000 You do not trust farts. 0.99

02:26:56.000 You do not trust your butthole to keep everything back. 1.00

02:26:59.000 If you think you have to fart, get to the bathroom. 1.00

02:27:03.000 But I didn't shit my pants, I don't think. 0.95

02:27:06.000 I don't remember. 0.89

02:27:08.000 I've shit my pants many times, but I don't think I did it during that month.

02:27:11.000 But one thing that I did notice is there were certain times that I went to the bathroom, like, what is happening? 1.00

02:27:16.000 It was just like black oil was coming out of my asshole. 0.99

02:27:20.000 I was just like, this is so much liquid. 1.00

02:27:22.000 It's so crazy.

02:27:23.000 Yeah.

02:27:23.000 And it would just be like, get on the ball.

02:27:28.000 You hear the fluid come out.

02:27:31.000 You're like, what is happening?

02:27:32.000 But that went on for about two weeks. 0.99

02:27:35.000 And then after two weeks, what was remarkable was when I would take a shit, it was so small. 0.99

02:27:42.000 And it was easy. 0.99

02:27:45.000 It was dry. 1.00

02:27:46.000 Dry shits. 0.99

02:27:48.000 They would just come out nice and clean. 0.99

02:27:50.000 You know, and I have one of them bidet toilets where you press the button. 0.99

02:27:53.000 I was going to say, hopefully you have that for shitting yourself with diarrhea. 0.97

02:27:57.000 Well, I would oftentimes go, I've got to get in the shower. 0.97

02:28:00.000 I wonder how many carnivore diet guys went and bought a bidet after starting.

02:28:05.000 Bro, bidets are the way to go.

02:28:06.000 If you don't have one, not a bidet bidet like you're a Frenchman. 1.00

02:28:09.000 But one of them toilet seat things. 0.96

02:28:12.000 I forget what the name of the one that I have, but for my house here in Texas, I got one where you even come near it, it opens up, and light goes off and everything, and you sit down, and you can press a button, and the button shoots hot water up your butt. 0.93

02:28:26.000 It's nice. 0.61

02:28:27.000 It cleans it all out.

02:28:28.000 How do you dry it before you put your pants back on?

02:28:31.000 You gotta take a little toilet paper and pat it down. 1.00

02:28:33.000 But the thing is, like, it hoses your asshole off so well. 1.00

02:28:36.000 That's why it's like a sniper. 1.00

02:28:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:28:38.000 Oh, so it's not just like a mess that you gotta take a fucking towel off. 0.99

02:28:41.000 No, no, no. 0.99

02:28:41.000 You can target it. 0.99

02:28:42.000 Target it.

02:28:43.000 I saw one that has a massage feature.

02:28:45.000 Have you?

02:28:45.000 That's outrageous.

02:28:46.000 They're trying to come. 1.00

02:28:47.000 It just gives you a prostate massage while flating your ass at the same time? 1.00

02:28:49.000 I was making sure. 1.00

02:28:50.000 I didn't know.

02:28:50.000 Yeah, it puts two fingers up there and does that.

02:28:52.000 And then you just jack it.

02:28:54.000 Yeah.

02:28:54.000 Next-gen toilets.

02:28:56.000 Well, it does feel really good, though.

02:28:59.000 That's the problem.

02:29:01.000 It's nice.

02:29:02.000 It's like, ah.

02:29:04.000 Dude, time efficiency, though, too.

02:29:06.000 I can imagine.

02:29:07.000 Because sometimes you sit there and you've got that one random one that's like, what, do I need a whole roll of toilet paper to get rid of this last bit?

02:29:14.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:29:14.000 Like, fuck. 1.00

02:29:15.000 It's also, what are you doing? 1.00

02:29:16.000 You're just smearing the shit all over your asshole. 1.00

02:29:19.000 Yeah, when you actually think about, like, what you're doing. 1.00

02:29:21.000 Ugh, it's nasty.

02:29:22.000 Yeah. 0.54

02:29:22.000 It's gross. 0.54

02:29:23.000 You wouldn't accept that any other place in your body. 1.00

02:29:25.000 You had shit all over your elbow. 1.00

02:29:27.000 You wouldn't be like, oh, just wipe that down with some dry toilet. 0.99

02:29:30.000 It turns out the massage function is to stimulate the rectum to help promote bowel movements.

02:29:35.000 Hey! 0.99

02:29:36.000 It's not for washing.

02:29:36.000 How does it work?

02:29:37.000 There's a pulse and massage.

02:29:39.000 So it relaxes your sphincter.

02:29:41.000 It's stimulating your rectum. 0.96

02:29:43.000 So does it touch your rectum? 0.99

02:29:45.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:29:46.000 It's a massage finger.

02:29:47.000 I don't know. 0.98

02:29:48.000 These are people jacking off on the toilet. 0.88

02:29:51.000 They're just covering it up.

02:29:52.000 It gives you a little tickle.

02:29:54.000 And it moans.

02:29:56.000 And then the next Google question says, can bidets turn you on?

02:29:59.000 Oh, God.

02:30:00.000 All right.

02:30:01.000 Of course they can.

02:30:02.000 Everything can turn you on.

02:30:03.000 People get turned on by feet. 0.99

02:30:05.000 People are gross. 0.99

02:30:06.000 People are weird. 0.99

02:30:07.000 You over that now?

02:30:08.000 I was just a boy.

02:30:10.000 I was a young boy.

02:30:12.000 No, I think girls with pretty feet are hot. 1.00

02:30:15.000 But it's not like a thing.

02:30:17.000 It was a thing though, but then you got over it.

02:30:19.000 Well, it was a thing when I was like 18, 19-ish. 0.99

02:30:24.000 A girl would rub her feet on my dick and it became a thing. 1.00

02:30:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:28.000 But when you have good events and then something concurrently with it, your brain ties the two together. 0.99

02:30:33.000 It's almost like if you work out and you always listen to music, then when you work out without the music, it's like, this fucking sucks. 0.99

02:30:39.000 I can't even enjoy the workout. 0.99

02:30:41.000 Right.

02:30:41.000 So like...

02:30:42.000 After that point, did it drag into every relationship moving forward?

02:30:46.000 Nah.

02:30:48.000 Well, then it became, it's like different things turn you on, you know?

02:30:53.000 Then, like, you'll date a girl who's got great lips, and you become a lip guy. 1.00

02:30:57.000 Or you date a girl who's got a great ass, you become an ass guy. 1.00

02:31:00.000 Like, I didn't even realize I liked asses until I dated a girl who had a great ass. 1.00

02:31:04.000 I was like, that is a big perk. 1.00

02:31:06.000 Yeah.

02:31:07.000 That's a big difference.

02:31:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:31:09.000 When a girl's got a great ass, it's like, wow, that is really exciting. 1.00

02:31:13.000 And what's really crazy is, white people didn't figure it out until Baby got back. 1.00

02:31:21.000 It's like Sir Mix-a-Lock came along and they were like, you know what?

02:31:25.000 That is good. 0.84

02:31:26.000 Something happened because if you look at like white women from like the 70s and the 80s, they all had flat butts. 1.00

02:31:34.000 Yeah.

02:31:34.000 And they were the hottest women in the world.

02:31:36.000 Yeah.

02:31:36.000 Nobody cared.

02:31:37.000 It was wild when it was like a fucking shift in the universe when like those tight pants came out and like Lululemon was founded in Vancouver in Canada. 1.00

02:31:47.000 And girls starting to wear the Lululemon tight pants that show off their ass. 1.00

02:31:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:31:53.000 And all the pants that came thereafter, the tight ones. 0.99

02:31:56.000 Yeah, fucking night and day difference. 0.98

02:31:57.000 You could have a chick who's like a 6 out of 10 and it's like, oh, these pants are an 8.5 easily. 1.00

02:32:01.000 Well, it's a weird thing that that...

02:32:04.000 I mean, it's again, like the shoulder thing for guys, the butt thing for girls. 0.96

02:32:08.000 It's a weird thing that this one body part is so significantly more attractive.

02:32:13.000 Yeah.

02:32:14.000 Like, great calves are like, okay.

02:32:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:32:18.000 But a great ass is like, wow, look at that. 1.00

02:32:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:22.000 It's just genetics.

02:32:23.000 It's just biology, right?

02:32:25.000 It's just like something about us is attracted to this...

02:32:28.000 I mean, it's clearly a waist-to-hip ratio thing that indicates that the woman would be better at giving birth, you know? 1.00

02:32:34.000 The ass would indicate better birthing ability, too? 0.99

02:32:38.000 Well, more fat. 1.00

02:32:39.000 Okay, right.

02:32:40.000 More fat.

02:32:41.000 Carrying more fat would allow her to get through her pregnancy better, you know, because a lot of times women lose... 1.00

02:32:46.000 Well, sometimes they gain weight, but, you know, you have a lot of tissue...

02:32:50.000 That is going to be able to sustain that child while it's in the womb.

02:32:53.000 I mean, you think about what it was like to be a person 1,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago, 4,000 years ago. 0.95

02:33:00.000 When we developed all these attractions to specific body types, your odds of surviving were fucking low.

02:33:06.000 So you would be more attracted to someone who would bear a child that is going to make it. 0.99

02:33:13.000 Which is, that's really what it's all about.

02:33:15.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

02:33:16.000 That's why we see that poor girl, who's the anorexic, and you're like, yikes! 1.00

02:33:20.000 Yeah.

02:33:20.000 What is that?

02:33:21.000 That's so crazy.

02:33:24.000 No, yeah, that makes sense.

02:33:25.000 Yeah.

02:33:26.000 The human body is such a bizarre thing.

02:33:31.000 It's just so strange, like, what we like about it, and what we don't like about it, and, like, what things matter to women. 0.70

02:33:40.000 Oh, girls have, like, dramatically different opinions, it seems, on... 1.00

02:33:42.000 Like, guys, universally, it's like, are you a tits or an ass guy? 1.00

02:33:45.000 And then for girls, it's like, do you like big biceps? 1.00

02:33:48.000 Do you like big shoulders?

02:33:49.000 Big back? 1.00

02:33:50.000 Some of them like big asses and guys. 1.00

02:33:52.000 Some of them like skinny guys. 1.00

02:33:54.000 Yeah, some of them want, like, skater dudes and, like, little emo boys and shit. 0.97

02:33:57.000 Travis Barker-looking dudes. 0.82

02:33:58.000 Yeah, it's weird how dramatic the difference is.

02:34:00.000 And then some like beards, some don't like beards.

02:34:03.000 But I always wonder, maybe it's like what they were attracted to when they were growing up.

02:34:07.000 Like the same thing, it's like a guy who's into feet, or for some guys it's like pantyhose.

02:34:13.000 You meet a girl and she wears garters or something like that. 1.00

02:34:17.000 Garters are weird.

02:34:18.000 Why is that sexy?

02:34:19.000 You got a rubber band that attaches your underwear to your socks.

02:34:22.000 What is that?

02:34:24.000 No, yeah.

02:34:25.000 Some of the preferences for women are just like... 1.00

02:34:28.000 I guess it's good universally, though, because it means there's more chances for guys, whereas for chicks, it's like there's like... 0.70

02:34:34.000 You can kind of tell universally what's attractive on a woman from like a body composition aspect and features, but then for guys, it's like so many fucking options and so many preferences that more guys are going to have a chance than otherwise would with like a... 1.00

02:34:48.000 You know, a higher quality woman, probably. 1.00

02:34:50.000 Well, guys have so many other weird things, right?

02:34:53.000 Like, a guy could be successful that makes him more attractive.

02:34:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:57.000 A guy could be funny that makes him more attractive.

02:35:00.000 Yeah, it's definitely good being in a guy, for sure.

02:35:02.000 Because you've got so many more things to play with from that aspect, for sure.

02:35:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:06.000 I think it's like some statistic.

02:35:07.000 It's like five...

02:35:09.000 5-10% of guys get like 90% of the girls or something, because it's just like all of these, like especially from an online dating aspect, it's just like disproportionately ridiculous in how successful a very small subsect of guys is on the device, on the...

02:35:25.000 Apps versus women, they, from like, I don't know, 5 out of 10s all the way to 10 out of 10, a lot of them are pretty much inundated with options still. 0.53

02:35:33.000 Whereas guys, it's like only the top upper echelon have all the options and the rest get like fucking none.

02:35:40.000 Yeah, that's like the concept of the incel, right? 0.95

02:35:43.000 Remember when that one dude drove his car into a bunch of people and killed him because he was an incel? 0.99

02:35:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:35:48.000 And then it became a real concern.

02:35:50.000 I forget.

02:35:51.000 Elliot Rogers, I think.

02:35:53.000 I don't know if that was the guy.

02:35:54.000 Maybe he shot people.

02:35:55.000 Elliot, someone. 0.99

02:35:56.000 That was his issue as well, that women wouldn't have sex with him. 0.98

02:35:59.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:35:59.000 He wasn't even an ugly guy. 0.97

02:36:00.000 Yeah, that's the weird thing is when you watch the videos, you could tell he just... 0.99

02:36:04.000 He was a psycho. 0.97

02:36:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:36:06.000 The brain chemistry and just the fact that I bet he's never even tried talking to chicks.

02:36:11.000 Right. 1.00

02:36:12.000 He probably just was at home like, why aren't they getting pussy? 1.00

02:36:15.000 Why is it not handed to me on a silver platter? 1.00

02:36:17.000 Yeah.

02:36:17.000 And he was a normal-ish looking kid.

02:36:19.000 Yeah, there's definitely uglier guys who've had hot girlfriends. 0.55

02:36:22.000 Not bad looking at all. 0.55

02:36:23.000 Especially if they're successful.

02:36:25.000 Yeah, there's way more options for men.

02:36:27.000 It's unfair, for sure.

02:36:29.000 That's why women complain. 1.00

02:36:31.000 That's really what the big complaint is when a woman sees these unrealistic body types. 1.00

02:36:37.000 Yeah, because they know their value is more so based on that than anything else.

02:36:42.000 It's unfair.

02:36:44.000 Yeah, I can't even imagine the, like, awareness of knowing how disproportionate my value is based on physical appearance and almost nothing else. 0.61

02:36:52.000 Because, like, if I'm a guy seeking a high-quality woman, like, I don't really give a shit if she's, like, rich and successful. 0.97

02:36:59.000 At all. 0.97

02:37:00.000 No, like, I would prefer you are, you know, like, a good cook and, like, can take care of shit and, like, help me achieve success in my endeavors and are, like, supportive. 0.98

02:37:11.000 Rather than, like, I don't give a fuck if you're a breadwinner or not. 0.98

02:37:13.000 Okay. 0.99

02:37:13.000 Yeah, that's a weird position because then people automatically assume that you're anti, like, having a strong woman in your life. 0.99

02:37:21.000 And that's not necessarily the case.

02:37:23.000 No.

02:37:23.000 It's just it's not more attractive.

02:37:26.000 Yeah.

02:37:26.000 Yeah, your value is not propped up as a woman, really, if you have, like, a...

02:37:30.000 You know, all these other things that guys can do to leverage.

02:37:33.000 Yeah.

02:37:34.000 Which is like, I can imagine being, would be quite frustrating for a woman who's, you know...

02:37:40.000 Driven.

02:37:40.000 Yeah.

02:37:41.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:37:42.000 It's like some women feel like as they're growing up that they have to prove themselves by gaining a commensurate amount of success. 1.00

02:37:49.000 Like, this is a woman who could stand right up there with a man, but she's also hot. 1.00

02:37:54.000 She's also attractive. 1.00

02:37:56.000 That's great.

02:37:57.000 But that first part, that doesn't really...

02:37:59.000 I mean, that doesn't excite a lot of men.

02:38:01.000 I mean, some men are really into, like, really ambitious, really powerful women, I guess.

02:38:07.000 Yeah.

02:38:07.000 But for the most part, I don't think that that's, like, a number one draw.

02:38:11.000 No. 0.99

02:38:12.000 No, like, I wouldn't give a fuck, personally. 0.99

02:38:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:38:15.000 Yeah.

02:38:16.000 Like, if some chick is, like, has super high aspirations and wants to be, like, entrepreneurial and, like, start a business and do that, I'm almost like, oh, like, how much time is this going to take?

02:38:25.000 Yeah.

02:38:26.000 Well, see, that's what women are worried about. 1.00

02:38:28.000 Women are worried about the idea that if you're not into strong women and that you want the woman to be subservient and you want the woman to be like for you to be priority, your life to be a priority and your success be a priority and her to be almost like, 1.00

02:38:44.000 you know, she's an accessory. 1.00

02:38:48.000 Yeah.

02:38:48.000 It's not that I wouldn't want them to have their own aspirations and goals and stuff.

02:38:52.000 I would just think...

02:38:53.000 If I have my path, I'm going to go down and do certain things that I know are going to support me and a family down the line.

02:39:01.000 I don't necessarily...

02:39:03.000 I would rather see you allocating time towards something that's, I don't know, like, aligns with my vision of where I'm going.

02:39:10.000 Because it's like if we have two different paths entrepreneurially, she's, like, I can't imagine you wouldn't drift apart in some capacity if you're, like, she's full board on work, you're full board on work.

02:39:20.000 Like, there's no, like, in the middle at all.

02:39:22.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:39:23.000 Yeah, but for a woman, if she invests a bunch of time in your success, and then you break up with her, She's like, fuck! 1.00

02:39:32.000 Yeah, that's true. 0.99

02:39:32.000 That's what motivates these big divorce settlements. 0.99

02:39:38.000 Yeah.

02:39:38.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:39:40.000 Yeah, I don't know what the...

02:39:42.000 That's got to be it, right?

02:39:44.000 I mean, that's how they feel. 1.00

02:39:45.000 They're like, well, fuck that. 1.00

02:39:47.000 Like, she was with him. 1.00

02:39:48.000 Like, he made all that money, sort of.

02:39:51.000 She was helping him.

02:39:52.000 Like, she was with him in the relationship.

02:39:54.000 She assumed this sort of supportive wife position, and she took care of all these other aspects of their personal life while he worked hard.

02:40:19.000 Sure.

02:40:26.000 Sure.

02:40:26.000 And then there's also the emotional support, like knowing that you have someone who's rooting for you, who's in the corner.

02:40:32.000 And then there's also the amount of time that you save and not going on dates and trying to find the one.

02:40:39.000 Trying to be single and also do entrepreneurial stuff? 0.99

02:40:43.000 Fucking impossible. 0.99

02:40:44.000 Impossible! 0.99

02:40:45.000 It's a full-time job being single and dating.

02:40:47.000 Yeah, because if you're dating, first of all, and you meet a good one, she's going to want to spend a lot of time with you, right?

02:40:54.000 She's like, he really likes me.

02:40:56.000 We're going to go out again tonight.

02:40:57.000 And like, oh my God, you're going out every night.

02:40:58.000 And then you're going out four nights a week, and you're going out to dinners, and you leave the house at 7. You don't come home till 11. Then you're tired when you go to the gym in the morning.

02:41:09.000 But you're really into it because you really like her, but it takes a lot of time.

02:41:13.000 Whereas if you're married, you live in the same house.

02:41:15.000 So you come home, it saves a lot of time.

02:41:18.000 Also, when you're working really hard, she doesn't think that you are ignoring her.

02:41:22.000 She thinks you're working for the both of you if you have your funds together tied in together. 0.99

02:41:28.000 It's complicated shit, though. 0.98

02:41:30.000 Because, again, if you're a woman and you You assume that's sort of a traditional male-female marriage-wife role, and you take care of the house while the guy's working, and then the guy goes, eh, I'm done with this. 1.00

02:41:42.000 And you're like, bitch, I just invested 15 fucking years in your stupid life. 1.00

02:41:47.000 Now you don't want me anymore? 1.00

02:41:49.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:41:50.000 Time to get a lawyer. 1.00

02:41:51.000 Before you met your wife, did you have relationships that were divergent in terms of how it aligned with your relationship?

02:42:00.000 Outlook of future goals, or how did you eventually end up with the partner that you deemed best, I guess?

02:42:07.000 Well, my problem is I've never had goals.

02:42:10.000 Oh, really?

02:42:10.000 I just work.

02:42:11.000 Yeah.

02:42:12.000 I just do stuff that I enjoy.

02:42:14.000 I never thought, oh, I want to have the number one podcast in the world. 0.96

02:42:18.000 I'm going to fucking work hard.

02:42:20.000 I'm going to have the number one podcast. 0.98

02:42:22.000 Never thought that once.

02:42:23.000 Never advertised this podcast.

02:42:25.000 Never went on other podcasts with a specific goal of promoting it.

02:42:31.000 Never took out video ads anywhere or anything.

02:42:34.000 Just did it.

02:42:35.000 So that's the same with almost everything I've ever done.

02:42:39.000 My goal as a comedian was just be a professional.

02:42:43.000 It wasn't like, I want to sell out arenas.

02:42:45.000 When it came to arenas, I was like, really?

02:42:47.000 I could do an arena?

02:42:48.000 Okay, let's try it. 1.00

02:42:50.000 Shit, this is crazy. 0.99

02:42:51.000 So it's just my goal was always just to do my best, like do my best as a comic, do my best as a podcaster, and that has worked for me. 0.99

02:43:01.000 I'm not saying it should work for everybody, because I think some people need, like there's some people that are very goal-oriented, like they want to have a vision board, they want to write all this shit down.

02:43:13.000 And they want to say, you know, by the time I'm 30, I want to have X amount of dollars in the bank and I want to have my own house. 0.90

02:43:19.000 And by the time I'm 40, I want to be the fucking CEO of this and be doing that. 0.97

02:43:24.000 And I don't, I'm not that guy. 0.87

02:43:27.000 Yeah, I think there's a misconception about how, like, disorganized or just like, I don't know, people don't realize they're successful until they're just like, they are, and it was just a result of their hard work cumulatively over time, and it's like, eventually you're in this amazing position,

02:43:44.000 but it's not like you planned it necessarily step by step.

02:43:47.000 I can only speak for myself.

02:43:51.000 First of all, I'm in very weird businesses.

02:43:55.000 I do cage fighting commentary, I do stand-up comedy, and I do podcasting.

02:44:01.000 Three things where there's no blueprint.

02:44:04.000 Cage fighting commentary, first of all, when I started doing it, there was literally maybe four guys that had done it before me.

02:44:09.000 So there was no blueprint.

02:44:11.000 There's no one to tell me what to do.

02:44:12.000 I just did it.

02:44:14.000 I would just explain what was happening, why it was happening, and I felt like I had an obligation to try to explain to people, like, especially the ground game when it comes to jiu-jitsu positions, which is very technical.

02:44:27.000 And so I'm trying to explain and walk my way through these very intricate positions where I see a guy setting up for a very specific move.

02:44:35.000 And then when it comes to stand-up comedy, like...

02:44:40.000 No one can tell you how to do it.

02:44:41.000 You just gotta do it.

02:44:42.000 Your way is gonna be different from that guy's way.

02:44:45.000 Mitch Hedberg is very different from Sam Kinison, who's very different from Chris Rock.

02:44:50.000 Everybody's different.

02:44:51.000 You just have to figure out what makes your perspective funny.

02:44:54.000 No one can teach you how to do it.

02:44:56.000 No one can show you how to be funny.

02:44:57.000 A guy can teach you how to play guitar.

02:45:00.000 No one can teach you how to do stand-up.

02:45:01.000 You just gotta do it, and hopefully it works.

02:45:04.000 And then with podcasting, I mean, there was radio before, so it was like Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony, but that was like really how I got into it.

02:45:13.000 And then once I started doing podcasting in 2009, there was Adam Carolla.

02:45:21.000 He already had one and Marc Maron had one.

02:45:23.000 There's a few guys who had one before me, but it was just like... 1.00

02:45:27.000 It was bullshit. 0.98

02:45:29.000 No one got any money from it. 0.99

02:45:30.000 I mean, Corolla was the only guy that I think was making some money at the time.

02:45:34.000 But for me, it was like, there's no money in this. 0.89

02:45:36.000 It's just silly.

02:45:37.000 Just doing it for fun.

02:45:38.000 It was 100% doing it for fun.

02:45:41.000 And it went on like that for years, where I didn't make any money.

02:45:44.000 We probably lost money doing it.

02:45:46.000 And then, eventually, it started making money.

02:45:48.000 And then it started making crazy money.

02:45:51.000 And then I was like, whoa, this is nuts.

02:45:53.000 But it was never, at any point in time, a goal.

02:45:56.000 Right.

02:45:57.000 Like, whenever I look at, like, we were just on Spotify 2021, number one podcast of the year, all this, they sent me some stuff, showed me what the numbers are.

02:46:09.000 I'm like, okay.

02:46:10.000 Can't think about it.

02:46:11.000 I mean, it's great.

02:46:12.000 Wild.

02:46:13.000 It's crazy that it's the number one podcast in the world, but it's still, it's the same thing.

02:46:18.000 I just come in and I do it.

02:46:19.000 So I don't have, like, goals that way.

02:46:23.000 So I didn't, like, find a woman who, like, aligned with my goal.

02:46:26.000 She's just cool.

02:46:27.000 So we just get along great.

02:46:28.000 So it works. 1.00

02:46:29.000 And I just do my shit. 1.00

02:46:31.000 And she doesn't get in the way. 1.00

02:46:32.000 She doesn't fuck with me and she's very supportive. 0.97

02:46:35.000 So it's a great relationship in that way. 0.99

02:46:37.000 But again, I couldn't teach anybody how to meet somebody like my wife. 0.84

02:46:40.000 I couldn't teach anybody how to meet somebody who understands how crazy I am.

02:46:44.000 And it just works with me.

02:46:46.000 Because other people won't work with me.

02:46:49.000 Relationships are just like business partnerships or even friendships. 0.94

02:46:53.000 Like some guy who would be great friends with another guy, you would think that guy's annoying as fuck, and you'd never want to hang out with him. 0.99

02:47:00.000 Whereas other people would be like, dude, fucking let's party! 0.99

02:47:04.000 You're excited to see him. 0.99

02:47:05.000 There's people for everybody in business, in relationships, in friendships.

02:47:10.000 It's like you got to know what you like.

02:47:13.000 Know what you like and know who you are, and hopefully you get lucky and find someone that fits with that.

02:47:21.000 Yeah, it's a lot of fish in the sea, but trying to, like, die, I don't know.

02:47:27.000 It's hard.

02:47:27.000 Yeah, diversify and, like, find the exact match for your exact lifestyle.

02:47:32.000 Don't pretend you're anybody other than who you are.

02:47:34.000 That's a big one.

02:47:35.000 Hmm.

02:47:36.000 Because that way, if they like you, they actually like you.

02:47:38.000 If you're working so hard to convince someone that you're awesome, but you're really kind of bullshitting, eventually you're going to get exhausted and you're going to give that up.

02:47:46.000 And that's what a lot of women say guys do. 1.00

02:47:48.000 Like, they're in a relationship with a guy, and then they know him for, like, a couple of months, and all of a sudden that guy reveals who he really is.

02:47:56.000 Yeah, there's definitely, like, a facade.

02:47:58.000 People, I think, are on their best behavior and act, like, totally fucking different than what they are for the first little bit.

02:48:04.000 That's what every rich single guy worries about. 0.50

02:48:07.000 He's gonna get roped in.

02:48:08.000 He's gonna get roped in by a gold digger, you know?

02:48:11.000 And then she's gonna go, I can't believe I'm pregnant. 0.91

02:48:12.000 I mean, I don't know how this happened.

02:48:14.000 I was on the pill, and the guy's like, Yeah.

02:48:18.000 And then she starts yelling at him. 0.53

02:48:19.000 I had a buddy of mine that happened, too.

02:48:20.000 Oh, really?

02:48:21.000 Oh, my God.

02:48:22.000 He told me the moment she got pregnant, it was almost like, ha-ha!

02:48:26.000 Got you!

02:48:28.000 And he was like, what?

02:48:29.000 Like, she started yelling at him, telling him what to do, and he's like, what is this?

02:48:33.000 Yeah.

02:48:34.000 And he was stunned.

02:48:36.000 And he just realized, he goes, Joseph, she got me. 1.00

02:48:39.000 She fucking got me. 0.99

02:48:41.000 I'm like, really? 1.00

02:48:42.000 He goes, yeah, man. 0.99

02:48:43.000 She fucking got me. 0.99

02:48:44.000 I thought she was a different person. 1.00

02:48:46.000 It's like, who is this?

02:48:48.000 And then she got lawyers involved. 0.99

02:48:49.000 Her mom got involved.

02:48:51.000 It's crazy.

02:48:52.000 Like, he'd come over the house.

02:48:53.000 Her mom was there with her.

02:48:55.000 They're both staring at him, like, in a mean way.

02:48:57.000 And she's telling him what's gonna happen, what you're gonna do. 0.99

02:49:00.000 And he's like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:49:02.000 So what happened with that after? 0.99

02:49:03.000 Got broke up.

02:49:04.000 Broke up and, you know, divorced and lost a shitload of money.

02:49:09.000 Terrible story.

02:49:10.000 Has a kid.

02:49:11.000 You know, every time he goes to see the kid, she's got a sour face. 1.00

02:49:14.000 She fucking hates him. 1.00

02:49:15.000 Jeez. 1.00

02:49:16.000 She got him. 1.00

02:49:18.000 That's a fucking rough story. 0.99

02:49:20.000 Well, the mom was multiple bad relationships, divorced over and over again, right? 1.00

02:49:26.000 And he thinks it's just like, she grew up with this predatory idea of what a marriage is. 0.99

02:49:31.000 Like, you can find a guy who's successful, and then you treat him real nice, and then you work your way in, and then once you get pregnant, and then tell this motherfucker what's up. 0.99

02:49:42.000 And so once she was married, and when she was pregnant, it was just like, She just decided, you know, no sense in dragging this out. 0.98

02:49:52.000 Let's just close this up right now and take that check.

02:49:56.000 And now he's paying her for, you know, 18 years. 0.99

02:49:59.000 Fucking horrible. 0.99

02:50:00.000 Yeah, it's not good. 0.99

02:50:02.000 And since he makes good money, it's a sizable amount of money. 0.77

02:50:06.000 And I don't believe he signed a prenup because I think he's a dummy.

02:50:09.000 And I think he would admit that. 0.74

02:50:12.000 Yeah.

02:50:13.000 So it's like proportional based on what you make, not just like what the kid needs?

02:50:17.000 Exactly.

02:50:17.000 It's proportional based on what you're accustomed to.

02:50:20.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:50:21.000 Oh, so he, like, treated her to a certain shit or something, and then you have to maintain that lifestyle? 0.99

02:50:27.000 Well, he's wealthy. 0.99

02:50:28.000 He's wealthy, and she lived with him, and they were together for a couple of years.

02:50:31.000 And, you know, they were together, and during that time, you know, he was making a lot of money.

02:50:37.000 And they lived in a very nice house, and she was married to him.

02:50:40.000 So then, all of a sudden...

02:50:42.000 I wonder what Jeff Bezos' wife is up to now. 1.00

02:50:46.000 She's ballin' out of control. 1.00

02:50:48.000 She's got $39 billion. 0.93

02:50:49.000 She married a high school science teacher.

02:50:51.000 I have a whole bit about it.

02:50:52.000 Oh, really?

02:50:52.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

02:50:54.000 She's very philanthropic.

02:50:56.000 She gives a lot of money away to charities.

02:50:59.000 When you've got $39 billion, just leave a little bit of it in the bank, and it's just accumulating interest constantly.

02:51:05.000 I'm sure she's got good investments.

02:51:07.000 Just ballin'. 1.00

02:51:09.000 Out there wearing fucking Mr. T gold chains and mink coats everywhere. 1.00

02:51:14.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:51:14.000 It's a lot of money though, man. 0.99

02:51:16.000 But again, he probably doesn't even notice it.

02:51:18.000 He's still one of the richest guys that's ever lived.

02:51:21.000 He gives her $39 billion and it doesn't even put a dent in him.

02:51:25.000 Well, at that point, isn't there like an ego thing if you're like the richest guy in the world still?

02:51:29.000 So maybe that like takes him down a notch from the other Titans he's trying to hang with.

02:51:33.000 So maybe that might piss him off.

02:51:35.000 Probably.

02:51:35.000 Yeah.

02:51:36.000 Isn't that funny?

02:51:36.000 They all have like the race to space and then also like the net worth thing.

02:51:41.000 Yeah.

02:51:41.000 Like I can imagine that's like at that point...

02:51:44.000 You're so desensitized to everything on earth because you've been hyperexposed to the most pinnacle level of success. 0.98

02:51:50.000 At that point, to get your next dopamine hit, it's like, I gotta beat fucking Elon, I feel like. 0.97

02:51:55.000 Right, right, right. 0.97

02:51:56.000 Yeah, that does happen with men, right?

02:51:58.000 They get real competitive against other people, their peers.

02:52:02.000 Yeah.

02:52:02.000 That's such a crazy thing to get competitive when you're like, you got 150 billion, but he's got 190. Yeah.

02:52:08.000 Fuck him. 1.00

02:52:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:10.000 Like, I don't know if that's actually how they think, but I mean, like, the perception from this, like, competing, like, space things.

02:52:17.000 Yeah.

02:52:17.000 You can't help but perceive that there is some sort of competitive thing around it.

02:52:22.000 Yeah.

02:52:22.000 And it's like a dick measuring contest between the titans of who's rich and who can do the biggest thing the fastest.

02:52:29.000 Did you see the video of Jeff Bezos' girlfriend meeting Leonardo DiCaprio?

02:52:33.000 Yeah.

02:52:34.000 Everybody got...

02:52:36.000 People looked into that.

02:52:38.000 When people...

02:52:39.000 First of all, she's a smoke show, right? 0.98

02:52:42.000 She is smoking hot. 0.97

02:52:44.000 And, you know, he's not the best looking guy in the world, but he's like super wealthy and, you know, kind of fit.

02:52:50.000 Looks pretty good now compared to what he used to look like, right?

02:52:53.000 The before and afters of him and Elon.

02:52:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:55.000 So he put this thing, Leo, come over here.

02:52:57.000 I want to show you something.

02:52:58.000 Dangerous.

02:52:58.000 Take the fatal drop.

02:53:02.000 That's pretty funny of him.

02:53:03.000 That's pretty funny of him to do that.

02:53:05.000 But, you know, when she's, you know, he got himself a 10, you know, and got divorced and does what a lot of rich guys do.

02:53:16.000 Like, look at the way she's smiling at Leo. 0.96

02:53:18.000 That was criminy. 0.61

02:53:21.000 Correct.

02:53:21.000 And also Leo's like standing on the stair above.

02:53:25.000 Yeah.

02:53:25.000 It's like the most demeaning picture, like perception-wise, for sure.

02:53:30.000 Yeah.

02:53:31.000 She's an alpha, like a predator.

02:53:33.000 You look at her, you're like, Jesus.

02:53:34.000 Yeah.

02:53:34.000 That's some genes, son.

02:53:36.000 Woo! 0.99

02:53:37.000 And she's not a young lady. 0.91

02:53:39.000 Not really.

02:53:39.000 She's 50. How old is Bezos?

02:53:42.000 He's probably the same age.

02:53:43.000 Yeah.

02:53:43.000 Probably similar, right?

02:53:45.000 How old is Bezos?

02:53:46.000 I'm going to guess.

02:53:47.000 I'm going to guess he's like my age, 54. Yeah.

02:53:52.000 I wonder how old it is before...

02:53:54.000 57?

02:53:55.000 I think when you're that, you don't want to date a 20-year-old.

02:53:59.000 DiCaprio does, and he's like late 40s.

02:54:01.000 Yeah, but he doesn't have any children.

02:54:02.000 You know, I think once a man has children, and once you've been through all that, and your father, it's like, what am I going to date some 20-year-old?

02:54:10.000 And someone who's like the same age as your kids, it seems kind of creepy.

02:54:13.000 Yeah.

02:54:14.000 You know?

02:54:14.000 Yeah.

02:54:15.000 If you're a 57-year-old guy dating a 20-year-old girl, that's what Jack Nicholson did, right?

02:54:20.000 Oh, really?

02:54:21.000 Yeah, wasn't that thing?

02:54:22.000 Jack Nicholson?

02:54:23.000 That was his thing, right? 1.00

02:54:24.000 He was always dating really young girls deep into his 60s and shit. 0.99

02:54:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:54:29.000 That's okay, too. 0.99

02:54:30.000 Maybe they like it.

02:54:31.000 Maybe he likes it.

02:54:32.000 Women get mad at it, though. 1.00

02:54:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:34.000 And you can't help but question if it's legit, too.

02:54:37.000 And that's where you bring in the old inspector who tells you if it's a legit relationship or not.

02:54:42.000 Imagine if it comes to the point—I mean, think about that, right?

02:54:45.000 Like, there's an inspector that checks to see if your relationship is bona fide if you want to get into the country and get married.

02:54:52.000 But is there one if you want to marry a guy for his money?

02:54:55.000 There should be.

02:54:56.000 Yeah.

02:54:57.000 There should be like a bona fide inspector there to stop gold diggers. 0.99

02:55:00.000 Yeah, if you're going to get the divorce settlements or not based on was your intentions legitimate or not in the first place.

02:55:06.000 Could you imagine if gold diggers were scrutinized the way immigrants are? 1.00

02:55:11.000 That's the next level position.

02:55:13.000 There's probably something to that, man.

02:55:16.000 There's probably something funny in there.

02:55:17.000 Because gold diggers, it's a strange thing. 1.00

02:55:19.000 No, there might be something in there. 0.99

02:55:21.000 That's fucking interesting. 0.98

02:55:23.000 Look, gold diggers are a viable business move. 1.00

02:55:25.000 It's a solid business move. 1.00

02:55:27.000 If you're a smoke show, if you're a hot lady, and you meet some Rupert Murdoch-looking guy, and he's worth billions of dollars, you're like, I think I can fuck this guy. 1.00

02:55:36.000 And you really can. 1.00

02:55:38.000 If you're a hot lady, you can kind of fuck any guy. 1.00

02:55:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:55:41.000 Like, all you have to do is get alone with him. 1.00

02:55:43.000 Yeah.

02:55:43.000 You know, all you have to do is get...

02:55:44.000 If he's single, all you have to do is be alone with him. 1.00

02:55:46.000 And if he's straight, you know, you can eventually, you know, charm your way to the point where this guy wants to fuck you, and he can't believe he can. 1.00

02:55:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:55:54.000 And then you let him, and then the next thing you know, you know, you hang around for a few years... 0.99

02:56:00.000 Yeah, I wonder what the self-awareness of some of these hyper-successful guys are when it comes to getting disproportionately hot women.

02:56:08.000 It can't be good.

02:56:10.000 Yeah, I can't imagine in their head they're like, this is legit.

02:56:13.000 Yeah, I deserve it, bro. 1.00

02:56:14.000 I'm hot as fuck. 1.00

02:56:16.000 Let me rest my gut on your ass when I fuck you. 1.00

02:56:23.000 Because there's some guys that are just so gross and their girls are so hot. 1.00

02:56:28.000 I mean, maybe they're attracted to the power and the money. 0.98

02:56:31.000 Maybe they're attracted to the prestige. 0.99

02:56:33.000 Or maybe they just don't want to work and realize they can fuck this guy and they can get enormous amounts of money. 0.99

02:56:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:56:43.000 I don't have a problem with it.

02:56:44.000 I have zero problem with gold diggers.

02:56:47.000 I think it's funny. 0.99

02:56:48.000 When I see a really hot woman with some fucking rickety old man who's barely hanging on, I think it's hilarious. 0.99

02:56:55.000 Yeah, I guess. 0.99

02:56:56.000 I don't know.

02:56:57.000 What do you tell the rickety old guy?

02:56:58.000 Like, no, you should only be with old rickety old women. 1.00

02:57:01.000 I would say, good luck, bro.

02:57:02.000 Who's that?

02:57:03.000 It says, true love is your gut matching her back perfectly, and she's down with that.

02:57:09.000 Look at that.

02:57:11.000 Wow.

02:57:11.000 That guy must be balling out of control.

02:57:14.000 He must.

02:57:17.000 Some women, though, do prefer a guy where they're hotter than the guy, where the guy is not going anywhere. 1.00

02:57:24.000 It's a security thing.

02:57:25.000 Even if he's not hyper-successful, he's 100% going to stay.

02:57:32.000 Yeah, I guess there's definitely a comfort in knowing that you've got the leveraged position.

02:57:36.000 Do you have specific goals for your success?

02:57:40.000 Your podcast, you're saying, essentially, your YouTube show, you really didn't start out to do it.

02:57:47.000 You didn't have it in mind, like, this is what I'm going to do.

02:57:50.000 I'm going to do a podcast on male enhancement and betterment and improving your life, and this is going to be super successful, and I'm going to be on YouTube with a million followers.

02:58:11.000 Goals, right?

02:58:17.000 Probably, like, on paper, there are many goals. 0.99

02:58:20.000 Like, if you miss your workout and you wanted to get a workout, you'd be like, fuck, I feel bad. 0.99

02:58:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:58:25.000 You know, because you didn't do your goal.

02:58:26.000 So for me, I started to develop more, I don't know, uh...

02:58:33.000 I don't know, kind of like higher tier goals from a daily, like micro standpoint as things went on and became proportionally, you know, more, I don't know, the stakes are higher.

02:58:44.000 So I would, for example, when I wanted to grow faster and I just saw the opportunity of what my channel was doing, I went from posting once a week or something to once a day.

02:58:54.000 And then after that, I went to twice a day.

02:58:57.000 And adhering to that schedule, I could tell the growth was disproportionately better And the performance of things was getting better, and I was also getting better at speaking, becoming more fluent, being able to articulate myself, and things were just proportionally escalating, almost in a dose-dependent manner of the input relative to the output of what result I was getting.

02:59:17.000 So I started to change my daily goals accordingly, just knowing that the output was going to be this superior...

02:59:25.000 Thing that otherwise I wouldn't have got to in nearly the same time frame or the, I don't know, the level at which it's become.

02:59:33.000 So my goals did.

02:59:34.000 I do have goals, but it was, I don't know.

02:59:37.000 Like at this point, I do have pretty tangible goals, but they're more based around my companies rather than Anything to do with the channel itself.

02:59:46.000 The channel fuels.

02:59:47.000 Yeah, the channel fuels everything.

02:59:50.000 So we're similar in that way.

02:59:51.000 We both kind of just started it.

02:59:53.000 We just kind of started it in the beginning and then it just got...

02:59:57.000 The same thing with me.

02:59:58.000 I was doing it once a week.

03:00:01.000 We're doing the podcast. 0.94

03:00:03.000 We were doing it on Ustream at the time, and me and my friend Brian, and we were watching this little chat thing, and we would answer questions on Twitter and shit. 0.98

03:00:12.000 It was just fucking around. 0.99

03:00:13.000 It was all fucking around. 0.99

03:00:14.000 And then when the numbers started rolling in, and then I got better at it, too. 0.99

03:00:19.000 That was the other thing.

03:00:20.000 It's like I realized somewhere along the line, a couple years in, this is something you can actually get better at.

03:00:26.000 You get better at conversations.

03:00:28.000 We're good to go. 0.99

03:00:49.000 At the time, they were like, why do you do so many fucking podcasts? 0.91

03:00:51.000 I go, dude, you should do more, too. 0.96

03:00:53.000 The more you do, the more people will watch it.

03:00:55.000 They become addicted to it.

03:00:57.000 It becomes a part of their life, and you give them content, and in return, they come see you do stand-up, you have a successful show, you get advertising revenue.

03:01:06.000 I had this idea of it that a lot of other comics didn't seem to grasp, because comedians, a lot of us are lazy.

03:01:15.000 We're impulsive, kind of wild, crazy people.

03:01:17.000 And not the type of people that you would think are going to sit down and formulate some sort of a business plan.

03:01:23.000 Especially based on something that was never supposed to be a business in the first place.

03:01:27.000 And then as time went on, I really started saying, okay, now I need a real legit professional studio.

03:01:34.000 Now I need a legit this.

03:01:36.000 And then the big thing was moving here.

03:01:38.000 Moving to Texas.

03:01:40.000 Because it was...

03:01:42.000 Kind of risky.

03:01:43.000 But I was like, I think I can do it.

03:01:46.000 I'm like, I think I'm at a place where people will come to me. 0.99

03:01:49.000 Because they were already coming to me in L.A. And I'm like, in L.A. is kind of fucked. 0.97

03:01:53.000 And I thought it was fucked like in May of 2020. I was like, I don't see this turning around. 0.97

03:02:00.000 When I saw lines outside the gun stores, I was like...

03:02:04.000 Oh, I gotta get out of here.

03:02:06.000 You moving at the time he did is the equivalent of some guy getting in early on Bitcoin.

03:02:12.000 I'm sure the prices here are all jacked through the roof.

03:02:16.000 Once Elon moved here, too.

03:02:18.000 I moved here.

03:02:19.000 That was a big deal.

03:02:20.000 Then Elon moved here.

03:02:21.000 The smartest guy in the world moves here.

03:02:23.000 People are like, hmm.

03:02:24.000 Yeah.

03:02:25.000 Maybe I should listen.

03:02:26.000 Maybe he's on to something.

03:02:27.000 But yeah, the goal thing is it's interesting when someone just concentrates on doing a good thing and that thing is something that they're genuinely interested in.

03:02:37.000 That's what comes through when I watch your show is that these subjects that you're talking about, you obviously have a genuine interest and a deep knowledge of.

03:02:46.000 You really understand these things.

03:02:48.000 Yeah, I think there's a huge disparity between individuals who just post for the sake of having high viewership, though, too, and people who feel like they're impactful in some, like, actual way that's improving lives.

03:02:59.000 Yeah.

03:03:00.000 So, like, for me, it's not just about...

03:03:02.000 Because eventually those people who are just entertainers on YouTube that post vlogs and just, like, you know...

03:03:07.000 We're good to go.

03:03:27.000 All those people eventually have some sort of tangent into something else or just burnout.

03:03:31.000 But for me, a lot of my stuff is based on interpreting blood work, getting preventative medicine, doing stuff that's actually impactful either from a performance enhancement context or a prevention of deterioration of health aspect.

03:03:46.000 That kind of stuff I'm highly passionate about, highly interested in, and those are literally the foundations of my businesses, too, because I have a preventative medicine practice with a bunch of doctors in it who we literally diagnose and help people with pituitary adenomas with low testosterone or individuals with autoimmune issues or this or that.

03:04:06.000 And for me, when I put out content and I see somebody that found an undiagnosed Issue that they went years without realizing was ruining their life and then we're able to find it and fix it for them or something like that kind of stuff is like very rewarding from not just a Monetary aspect,

03:04:23.000 but like it feels like you're doing something useful Rather than just like producing content for the sake of content that you think will get high views kind of thing Yeah, so when I put out information that's I don't know extrapolating or like parsing out information from Newest literature that's come out on endocrinology that could be relatable for hormone replacement or how to attenuate the cardiovascular implications of testosterone use and things of this nature.

03:04:48.000 It's very, very practical in that I'm actually potentially imparting information on somebody that's going to save years off their life, improve their quality of life, do a bunch of different things that are above and beyond me talking about, oh, is this guy naughty or not?

03:05:02.000 You know?

03:05:03.000 People love those videos.

03:05:05.000 Yeah, so like I do those because they draw in viewership too, which then brings those people to see my other stuff that's actually informative.

03:05:12.000 I think you have a very fair assessment too.

03:05:14.000 You always give people an out.

03:05:15.000 Like who knows? 0.81

03:05:16.000 Maybe he's like a biological freak. 1.00

03:05:18.000 You're not like a dick about it. 1.00

03:05:20.000 Yeah. 0.96

03:05:20.000 You give people like a little room. 0.96

03:05:22.000 Yeah, you gotta be a little bit, you know, give wiggle room on stuff like that too because some of them are pretty like bold accusations sometimes.

03:05:30.000 Yeah, but listen, man, I really enjoy your channel.

03:05:33.000 I think you're an unusual guy.

03:05:35.000 Like, your place in the YouTube world, the podcast world, is very unusual.

03:05:40.000 You're very unique, and so I'm glad we got a chance to do this.

03:05:44.000 No, me too.

03:05:44.000 Thanks for having me.

03:05:45.000 We'll do it again. 1.00

03:05:45.000 We'll do it again if you can get out of your fucking communist shithole of the country. 1.00

03:05:48.000 Yeah, yeah, let's do it. 1.00

03:05:50.000 Let you escape.

03:05:51.000 Awesome.

03:05:51.000 All right, thank you.

03:05:53.000 Tell everybody, more plates, more dates on YouTube.

03:05:56.000 The same on Instagram, right?

03:05:59.000 What's all your social media stuff?

03:06:00.000 Yeah, so More Plates, More Dates on YouTube, and then my two companies are GorillaMind.com for my nootropic and pre-workout formulas and supplements, and then Merrick Health, if you want high-quality preventative medicine.

03:06:12.000 Spell that.

03:06:13.000 Merrick, M-A-R-E-K, health.com for...

03:06:17.000 High-quality preventative medicine hormone replacement.

03:06:20.000 It's basically a platform where I get you connected with doctors that represent the most cutting-edge literature and the most recent ways to optimize your health, performance, vitality, etc.

03:06:32.000 All right.

03:06:33.000 Beautiful.

03:06:33.000 Thanks, Derek.

03:06:34.000 It was fun.

03:06:35.000 Thanks, man.

03:06:35.000 We'll do it again.

03:06:36.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 03, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1744 - Derek from More Plates More Dates

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