The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1767 - James Lindsay

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00:00:11.000 Hello, Joe.

00:00:12.000 Hello, Joe.

00:00:13.000 Good to see you.

00:00:14.000 You heterodox individual, you.

00:00:16.000 I am very heterodox.

00:00:18.000 I like to use that word because I never use that word.

00:00:20.000 Well, you used it properly.

00:00:21.000 I just did.

00:00:22.000 I think it's the first time I've ever used it on the podcast.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, definitely not orthodox.

00:00:26.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 So tell me what you were just telling me about a conference.

00:00:31.000 We were having a conversation where I was saying, I wonder how many undercover feds have either gotten on the podcast or tried to get on the podcast.

00:00:37.000 Yeah, it's like I've had a couple places.

00:00:39.000 One, I had this guy come up to me and we were like just in the crowd, right?

00:00:43.000 It wasn't like I just got off stage or anything like that.

00:00:45.000 And he comes up to me and he's like, you know, if we had to narrow it down to, like, you know, the top 10, 12 individuals pulling all this crazy stuff that's going on in the world, could you name who they are?

00:00:56.000 Like, who are they?

00:00:57.000 And the question is, you know, what are we going to do about them?

00:00:59.000 You know, are we going to have to take them out?

00:01:00.000 You know, are we going to have to go off?

00:01:02.000 When do we get to go off?

00:01:03.000 It was, like, the statement.

00:01:04.000 When do we get to go off on them?

00:01:07.000 Like, that violence is...

00:01:08.000 Are we going to have to take them out?

00:01:09.000 Going to have to take them out.

00:01:10.000 Like, I'm looking at this guy thinking you're not taking anybody out, but...

00:01:14.000 But what are you doing?

00:01:15.000 Like, what is this?

00:01:15.000 Yeah, like, why are you asking me this question?

00:01:17.000 I had another guy.

00:01:18.000 I did a talk.

00:01:19.000 And this was a totally awesome event.

00:01:22.000 Like, there's a mechanical bull in the venue.

00:01:23.000 Like, it was nuts.

00:01:24.000 And I'm doing this, like, professional talk and everything.

00:01:26.000 It was nuts.

00:01:26.000 And this guy's drunk afterwards.

00:01:28.000 I don't know.

00:01:29.000 Probably he's just drunk.

00:01:29.000 Maybe he's not.

00:01:30.000 And he's like, I wanted to ask you one question, man.

00:01:33.000 And I was like, what is it after I talked?

00:01:34.000 And he was like... 0.94

00:01:35.000 When do we get to start shooting them? 1.00

00:01:37.000 And I was like, holy shit, dude, no. 1.00

00:01:39.000 You know, we don't. 0.99

00:01:41.000 Like, that's the trap, if anything.

00:01:43.000 Like, you don't. 0.76

00:01:44.000 Do you think that guy was just crazy? 0.83

00:01:46.000 Or do you think that guy was a fed? 0.97

00:01:47.000 And how do you know the difference?

00:01:49.000 That's the question.

00:01:49.000 I don't know.

00:01:50.000 I actually suspect that guy was just drunk and shooting off at the mouth and frustrated.

00:01:55.000 But I don't know.

00:01:56.000 And then the weirdo guy that was like, if we could narrow it down to who are the...

00:02:00.000 Because that guy wouldn't leave me alone.

00:02:01.000 The guy I told you about first, like, he wouldn't leave me alone.

00:02:04.000 It's like he just kept asking questions and like trying to talk to me and I was like, huh.

00:02:08.000 That Epps guy that everyone has decided was an agent provocateur that was at the January 6th thing, they still haven't found that guy.

00:02:16.000 Yeah.

00:02:16.000 Or excuse me, they still haven't charged that guy.

00:02:18.000 Haven't charged that guy.

00:02:19.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 Very suspicious circumstances around that.

00:02:21.000 The weirdest, right?

00:02:22.000 Right.

00:02:23.000 Like let's just...

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:34.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 Well, then when Ted Cruz grills the FBI lady and she's like, I can't answer that.

00:02:52.000 I can't answer that.

00:02:53.000 The answer to those questions is very simple.

00:02:55.000 No, no, no.

00:02:57.000 And she's like, I can't answer that question.

00:03:00.000 Did the FBI or any agents incite violence?

00:03:04.000 I can't answer that.

00:03:05.000 What?

00:03:06.000 I mean, I understand the Fifth Amendment.

00:03:08.000 Nobody can be compelled to incriminate themselves.

00:03:11.000 But...

00:03:12.000 Does the Fifth Amendment even apply when you're a representative of an organization?

00:03:17.000 Because it's a different scenario.

00:03:19.000 She's a representative of the FBI. It's not like she's incriminating herself.

00:03:23.000 Right, yeah.

00:03:24.000 I don't even know in that case, but that looked bad.

00:03:29.000 It looks strange.

00:03:30.000 It's like, what are you doing?

00:03:32.000 Like, all those questions, did they incite violence?

00:03:36.000 Like, you should never be inciting violence.

00:03:38.000 You're the FBI. You're the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:03:42.000 You shouldn't be inciting violence ever.

00:03:45.000 That should be, we didn't never do that.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, that's the opposite of what we do, right?

00:03:50.000 That's literally the opposite of what we exist to do.

00:03:52.000 We're completely not interested in that.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, but no, that's not the answer.

00:03:56.000 I'm sorry, I can't answer that question.

00:03:57.000 I can't answer that question either.

00:03:59.000 I'm just going to give that answer to all of your hard questions.

00:04:02.000 I can't answer that.

00:04:03.000 I have been trying really hard not to go down a Klaus Schwab rabbit hole.

00:04:09.000 Oh buddy, we're probably going to do that.

00:04:10.000 Oh my god, someone sent me a video of Klaus Schwab introducing Xi Jinping the other day.

00:04:16.000 Have you seen that?

00:04:17.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 Jamie, pull that up because Klaus Schwab, now I do not know, I know very little about Klaus Schwab.

00:04:23.000 I've read his book.

00:04:24.000 But he seems like a bad guy in a Batman movie.

00:04:29.000 He came straight out of Central Casting or something.

00:04:31.000 It's not even James Bond, though.

00:04:33.000 It's like a spoof.

00:04:34.000 It's so over the top.

00:04:35.000 And he's wearing a space suit when he's not wearing his business suit or whatever.

00:04:40.000 It's like, what is this guy?

00:04:41.000 He wears a space suit?

00:04:42.000 Have you not seen the space suit?

00:04:43.000 No.

00:04:44.000 Oh, man.

00:04:45.000 It's like this leather thing with like a triangle.

00:04:47.000 Oh, it's really...

00:04:48.000 Yeah, it's freaky.

00:04:49.000 Now, what does he do?

00:04:50.000 He is the, I guess, chairman, CEO of this thing called the World Economic Forum, which is like a billionaire's club where fancy pants people like, you know, titans of industry, government officials, NGO people, all the big philanthropists can show up and like rub elbows at Davos and chill out.

00:05:11.000 And basically it's like...

00:05:12.000 It's like a big country club for, like, the biggest players in government.

00:05:17.000 What?

00:05:17.000 Space suit.

00:05:18.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:05:19.000 What is that? 1.00

00:05:20.000 He's so weird.

00:05:21.000 He wears that all the time?

00:05:22.000 Well, I mean, he's got a suit and tie at other times.

00:05:25.000 I don't know how often he wears it.

00:05:26.000 I don't know the guy, but look at that.

00:05:28.000 What?

00:05:28.000 What is that?

00:05:29.000 Like, I wouldn't even wear that on Halloween.

00:05:31.000 What does the caption say there?

00:05:33.000 It's just someone's tweet.

00:05:35.000 See if you can find the video of him introducing Xi Jinping, because he gives this bizarrely glowing introduction to the leader of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:05:48.000 Listen to this.

00:05:52.000 Look at it.

00:05:52.000 It's a Bond villain.

00:05:53.000 Yeah.

00:05:54.000 Human destiny.

00:05:56.000 Give it to me from the beginning.

00:05:58.000 I want to hear the whole thing.

00:06:00.000 Human destiny.

00:06:01.000 Oh, okay.

00:06:02.000 In the last five years, the world has become more interconnected than ever.

00:06:07.000 But in many ways, it's becoming even more fragmented and polarized.

00:06:13.000 Polarized!

00:06:14.000 China has made significant economic and social achievements under your leadership.

00:06:22.000 In the first three quarters of 2021, China's economy grew by over 9%.

00:06:29.000 You have achieved a historic goal to become a moderately prosperous society in all respects.

00:06:41.000 Mr. President, I strongly echo your remarks in 2017 that mankind has made progress by surmounting difficulties.

00:06:54.000 And when encountering difficulties, we should join hands and rise to the challenge.

00:07:01.000 I believe this is the best time for leaders to come together and work jointly For the world to become more inclusive, more sustainable, and more prosperous.

00:07:17.000 We now welcome His Excellency Xi Jinping, President of the People's Republic of China.

00:07:27.000 Professor Klaus Schwab.

00:07:29.000 Ladies and gentlemen, friends.

00:07:31.000 Is that not...

00:07:32.000 So weird.

00:07:33.000 And you know who spoke like right after that, right?

00:07:35.000 Who?

00:07:36.000 Fauci.

00:07:37.000 No.

00:07:38.000 Yeah.

00:07:38.000 Really?

00:07:39.000 Yeah.

00:07:41.000 Whoa.

00:07:41.000 And if you listen, actually, I don't think we should try to deal with listening to all of what Xi says, but he's like, you know, he goes into this whole thing.

00:07:51.000 It's like a paraphrase of Lenin.

00:07:53.000 He's all like, you know, there's an old Chinese saying.

00:07:57.000 That everything contains its contradictions.

00:07:59.000 That's actually an old Marxist saying is that everything contains its contradictions.

00:08:03.000 The Taoists don't – I mean they have that with the yin-yang thing but they don't really have everything contains its own contradiction.

00:08:09.000 They say things contain their opposites which is different.

00:08:12.000 And so Marx was like everything contains its own contradiction which capitalism makes a lot of wealth but then it makes a lot of poor people so it's got its own contradiction.

00:08:20.000 And he says we got to lean into the – she said – to paraphrase him, we got to lean into the contradictions.

00:08:25.000 What Lenin said when people were starving, like he's like literally starving people and killing people.

00:08:31.000 He's like accelerate the contradictions because if you make them see how terrible life is by showing them the contradictions, oh, we're supposed to have this great society and look, you're suffering, you're starving.

00:08:40.000 Then they'll want to have a revolution.

00:08:42.000 And so it's like that's the thing that Schwab there just introduced was his speech about that.

00:08:49.000 He also says we can't think of ourselves anymore as like 190 little boats like the different countries of the world to solve problems like climate change or I guess COVID. That went real well.

00:08:59.000 And we got to think of ourselves as one big boat, like one world government or something.

00:09:03.000 And then – She is the guy that's the model for this.

00:09:07.000 And then we see Mr. Spacesuit there saying, I strongly echo your comments.

00:09:14.000 Prosperous.

00:09:16.000 Prosperous.

00:09:17.000 The guy's weird.

00:09:18.000 I read his book.

00:09:19.000 He's got a book called COVID-19, The Great Reset.

00:09:22.000 He's got a few books, actually.

00:09:23.000 I've read some of his other ones, but I read all of that one.

00:09:26.000 And it's just corporate gobbledygook.

00:09:27.000 But what he says is that COVID-19 is the ideal window of opportunity, a very narrow window of opportunity to reset the whole world's economy.

00:09:36.000 And he wants to create this whole new world economy he calls stakeholder capitalism.

00:09:54.000 What's going on here?

00:10:09.000 Well, this Great Reset thing is the big tinfoil hat conspiracy theory conversation, that we're experiencing the Great Reset, and that they crashed the economy on purpose.

00:10:21.000 I don't think that's true in terms of what they did to Los Angeles.

00:10:25.000 I think it's incompetence, and I think there's a bunch of people that wanted to do something That showed that they were trying to enact measures to protect people.

00:10:35.000 And in doing that, they crippled a lot of these restaurants and bars and small businesses.

00:10:41.000 And they did it because it didn't affect them at all financially.

00:10:45.000 Like, if it had any effect on them financially.

00:10:48.000 But it did in a lot of cases.

00:10:50.000 Like, look at how the billionaires are all way richer now.

00:10:54.000 Right.

00:10:54.000 Right, but that's what I'm saying.

00:10:55.000 I'm saying the politicians.

00:10:56.000 If it had affected the politicians financially, then they would have never enacted those measures.

00:11:02.000 Like, if the politicians got paid based on how well the economy did in their city.

00:11:06.000 Like, say, if you're a mayor, and if your economy crashes, you lose all your money.

00:11:11.000 You would never see lockdowns.

00:11:12.000 You would never see, like, I have a friend, she lives in Mexico, and she was telling me that in Mexico, nothing's shutting down because the cartels won't allow it.

00:11:22.000 Right, right.

00:11:22.000 Because the cartels make a percentage of the money that these businesses get, so they get paid.

00:11:27.000 So if the businesses go under, the cartels don't make any money.

00:11:32.000 Jamie, you have COVID. Do you got the cough?

00:11:34.000 You got the breathe?

00:11:36.000 Everything's cough.

00:11:37.000 Can't be coughing?

00:11:38.000 Can't be coughing in front of you?

00:11:40.000 Yeah.

00:11:41.000 It's dangerous times to just be out and out coughing.

00:11:43.000 It's almost attempted murder.

00:11:45.000 She was telling me that when they are in Mexico that nothing's shut down.

00:11:50.000 Everything's wide open.

00:11:51.000 All the restaurants, all the bars, nothing ever shut down.

00:11:53.000 And the reason why she said we're free is because of the cartel.

00:11:57.000 She was like LOL-ing when she said this.

00:11:59.000 Right.

00:11:59.000 Well, I mean what that tells you then is that there's either absolute disconnect with politicians or that they're being taken care of some other way.

00:12:09.000 That's the conspiratorial side, that there's money coming in some other way.

00:12:14.000 So their paycheck is not dependent upon the economy locally, but it's dependent on some other factor.

00:12:19.000 Well, in local government, it's depending upon taxes.

00:12:22.000 Like my friend, his brother works for the whatever COVID response thing in California.

00:12:29.000 And there was a conversation when they were shutting down outdoor dining at one point in time.

00:12:33.000 And he protested and he said, there is no evidence that there's any spread that's because of outdoor dining or any outdoor activities.

00:12:42.000 And she said, it's about optics.

00:12:45.000 Oh yeah, well.

00:12:46.000 So this was a conversation he had with a real public official who's in charge of making these decisions.

00:12:53.000 So this idea that it's all motivated by some conspiracy to reset the economy, I don't think that's the case. 0.98

00:13:00.000 I think what's going on is that there's a lot of incompetence and a lot of really dumb people, a lot of foolish people that are running some aspects of government. 0.97

00:13:08.000 Then you have people that are taking advantage of that. 0.99

00:13:10.000 And the billionaires are most certainly getting richer.

00:13:13.000 By definition, if you close mom-and-pop stores, where are people going to buy their stuff?

00:13:18.000 Well, they're going to have to go to Target.

00:13:19.000 They're going to have to go to the big places.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:20.000 And then if you can loot targets and you can shoplift at Walgreens or whatever, where are they going to go online?

00:13:28.000 Amazon.

00:13:29.000 And you can kind of see how all of these really crooked business practices can kind of multiply.

00:13:36.000 In this kind of an environment. 0.99

00:13:37.000 So do you think that places like San Francisco and areas of California where they've enacted these really fucking stupid laws where you can steal up to 900 and something dollars worth of stuff and they don't arrest you at all? 0.99

00:13:50.000 So people just grab stuff, they throw it in a bag and they walk right out the door and no one does anything to stop it. 0.98

00:13:55.000 Do you think that those laws are enacted knowing that they're going to kill these businesses?

00:14:01.000 Knowing that this is going to prop up Online businesses like Amazon and larger places that have the ability to do that. 1.00

00:14:11.000 Well, you know, I'm in my 40s, which means that I never underestimate any longer the depths of human stupidity. 1.00

00:14:18.000 So it is possible that they're just stupid and don't realize the extraordinarily obvious thing that literally everybody yells at them. 0.99

00:14:27.000 No, I actually – I'm inclined to believe that they know to some degree what they're doing and I wouldn't even be surprised to find out that there's some kind of weird backroom deals. 0.99

00:14:35.000 And that's what this new economy is supposed to be.

00:14:38.000 It's like we go back to Schwab.

00:14:39.000 His thing is he calls it stakeholder capitalism.

00:14:41.000 You don't care about the shareholder anymore because profit is too dangerous of a motive.

00:14:45.000 You care about these people that are called stakeholders.

00:14:48.000 They're going to tell you they're experts in environmental policy.

00:14:51.000 They're experts in health policy.

00:14:53.000 They're experts in – Trust the experts.

00:14:56.000 And social policy, you know how I feel about that.

00:14:59.000 These critical theories or whatever.

00:15:02.000 They're experts in best practices and governance.

00:15:05.000 And they've created these whole investment metrics called ESG metrics, environmental social governance.

00:15:12.000 I think we're good to go.

00:15:18.000 I think we're good to go.

00:15:40.000 We're not going to give you the favors anymore.

00:15:42.000 And so there's this perverse scoring system that's worked its way in, and the goal is to shift out of that.

00:15:48.000 Now, what are the politicians doing?

00:15:50.000 Well, I mean, we see obviously there's corruption somewhere.

00:15:53.000 We got insider trading happening in Washington.

00:15:56.000 That's like coming out all over the place.

00:15:58.000 No, no, no, that's fine.

00:16:00.000 That should be allowed, the participating in the economy.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, it's like we should start letting the MMA guys, the UFC guys, bet on their own fights.

00:16:11.000 Why not?

00:16:12.000 You know, they used to have pool was something that you could bet on at casinos.

00:16:18.000 They did it once.

00:16:19.000 And when they did it, the guy who was the lowest seed won the tournament.

00:16:23.000 And it was embarrassing. 0.80

00:16:24.000 Like guys were like missing balls dead in the hole. 0.92

00:16:27.000 They were doing it on purpose because they bet against themselves. 0.63

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 And they bet on this one guy.

00:16:31.000 Right.

00:16:31.000 And they all chopped up the money.

00:16:32.000 How about that?

00:16:33.000 How crazy.

00:16:34.000 How wild that they might game a bad incentive structure.

00:16:37.000 Who's 15 to 1?

00:16:38.000 Interesting.

00:16:39.000 Hmm.

00:16:40.000 Mm-hmm.

00:16:41.000 What do you think would happen if he won?

00:16:44.000 So they stopped.

00:16:45.000 Because pool players are kind of notoriously shady folks.

00:16:48.000 A little bit.

00:16:50.000 So they stopped doing that.

00:16:52.000 But yeah, that would definitely happen if fighters were allowed to bet on themselves.

00:16:56.000 But fighters do bet on themselves.

00:16:57.000 Because there's more money for them if they win in the long term of their career.

00:17:03.000 Correct, correct.

00:17:05.000 But there's not a whole lot of incentive.

00:17:07.000 Like you don't have some bookie over here who's going to make it up to you if you get your face messed up kind of on purpose.

00:17:13.000 People are worried about that though.

00:17:15.000 There is concern.

00:17:16.000 Like I'm sure the FBI has investigated boxing matches and stuff along those lines.

00:17:20.000 I guarantee they have.

00:17:22.000 They investigate a lot of things.

00:17:24.000 The Department of Justice is investigating moms and dads for showing up to school boards.

00:17:30.000 They're also investigating maybe some real crime, but not the guy that came here to Texas from Britain who shouldn't have been able to even get in.

00:17:37.000 What's that?

00:17:38.000 That guy that took the hostages at the synagogue.

00:17:42.000 Right.

00:17:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:43.000 I forgot about that because there's so many of these goddamn things happening. 0.99

00:17:46.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:17:46.000 This is really recent, right? 0.98

00:17:47.000 A million things.

00:17:48.000 It was like last week.

00:17:49.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 Just like the other day.

00:17:51.000 So where did he come from?

00:17:52.000 He's British, but he's got a name that would indicate that he's Islamic.

00:17:59.000 But he's got a British accent as well.

00:18:01.000 And he came in from the UK and he was like eyeballs on him from MI5 or something like this.

00:18:07.000 You know, they knew he was a problem.

00:18:09.000 And he comes over to the U.S. Somehow he manages to get a firearm.

00:18:12.000 Next thing you know, he's at a synagogue taking hostages, doing whatever they do.

00:18:18.000 They deal with the situation and the FBI and the president come out and they're like, well, we don't know the motive.

00:18:23.000 The guy's screaming his motive while he's doing it.

00:18:26.000 And we have no idea why this happened.

00:18:28.000 And we have to do an investigation.

00:18:30.000 It's just the weirdest farcical thing.

00:18:33.000 And then meanwhile, the big joke that was going on the internet with it was, well, they didn't have time to catch this guy coming into the country because they were too busy investigating parents at school board meetings who were showing up because of that letter, right?

00:18:48.000 Trevor Burrus Which letter?

00:18:49.000 Trevor Burrus So somewhere in the – it's now been shown.

00:18:52.000 Like actual journalists – Azrin Amani, for example, I think it was leading on this – dug up proof that somebody in the Biden administration, maybe the Department of Education, maybe it was Cardona himself, gets this letter, this memo, and it goes to the National School Board Association,

00:19:08.000 NSBA. And so they actually just send it back to the Biden administration and say – Parents are showing up at school boards.

00:19:17.000 There's all this violence and danger.

00:19:19.000 But it came from inside the house.

00:19:20.000 Sent it to the School Board Association, which most of its members didn't even know that this was happening, and a lot of them have disavowed it.

00:19:26.000 And then they send it back to the DOJ, and then Merrick Garland comes out and says that they're going to start watching parents at school board meetings like they're domestic terrorists.

00:19:36.000 And they have.

00:19:38.000 Now, I did hear about that, but is it because they're worried that there's going to come a time where a parent crosses a line and shows up armed and does something insane?

00:19:51.000 I mean, that's the perpetual justification for that kind of thing.

00:19:56.000 But at the same time, they literally sent out a memo to treat parents showing up at school board meetings as though they are domestic.

00:20:05.000 Not all parents.

00:20:08.000 Obviously, they want some parents to show up at school board meetings because they want to be active in...

00:20:14.000 I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

00:20:16.000 You don't think they want any parents showing up at school board meetings?

00:20:18.000 You think they think that it's all negative and that I mean, they is too big to say, you know, everybody everywhere.

00:20:25.000 But you actually saw that attitude, you know, in the governor's race in Virginia last year when, you know, Yunkin beat McAuliffe.

00:20:34.000 And did he beat McAuliffe?

00:20:36.000 I forget how it works out.

00:20:38.000 Terry McAuliffe, yeah.

00:20:39.000 And so – because Northam is the previous governor because Virginia has this weird rule where you can't be governor twice in a row.

00:20:45.000 Oh, really?

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 So they have to have two people each time.

00:20:48.000 And so anyway, McAuliffe came out and he said that they don't want – that parents shouldn't have a role in shaping curriculum and that they don't want that going on amid these huge scandals.

00:20:59.000 You know, they have this – exactly what people said would happen a number of years ago.

00:21:03.000 This kid claiming to be – it's clearly disturbed, claiming to be non-binary, wearing a skirt, goes in and rapes a ninth-grade girl in the bathroom. 0.53

00:21:12.000 Exactly what people said. 0.81

00:21:13.000 You remember back in like 2015, people were like, if you do the trans bathroom thing that way, we're going to see sexual assaults.

00:21:19.000 Well, that's exactly what happened.

00:21:21.000 And then the school's – like the school district covers it up.

00:21:24.000 They tried to tell the parents to keep their mouth shut about it.

00:21:27.000 Yeah, and they – All these activists showed up when the dad of the girl comes to this meeting or whatever and they provoke him and he like flipped out.

00:21:35.000 I don't remember if he hit somebody or if he just started screaming at me.

00:21:38.000 He might have hit somebody.

00:21:39.000 And then he becomes like, you know, the worst thing ever.

00:21:42.000 And then...

00:21:44.000 I mean there's a lot of stuff right now going on where they don't actually want parents involved.

00:21:51.000 They want to control the kids.

00:21:54.000 They think that the school is the professionals, the experts, and that they know the best policies for masks.

00:22:00.000 They know the best policies for curriculum.

00:22:02.000 That's where they're getting all this social-emotional learning and critical race theory and the queer theory, gender theory stuff rammed into the schools. 0.62

00:22:09.000 And they're like, no, parents, if you don't like this, you're not the experts.

00:22:13.000 You don't understand.

00:22:14.000 And you're seeing school boards where they're not taking public comments or they're limiting those rather significantly now because I don't think they do want parents speaking up.

00:22:25.000 I don't think they want parents involved at this point.

00:22:28.000 The thing about it is if you look at it reasonably, like if there was any other time in history, in the history of my life, And you thought of parents coming in to tell teachers how the kids should be taught.

00:22:42.000 You're like, well, what do the parents know? 0.88

00:22:44.000 But then when you see some of the ridiculous shit that kids are getting taught in school today, and then if you follow, like, libs of TikTok... 0.99

00:22:51.000 No kidding. 1.00

00:22:52.000 And you see some of these crazy groomer teachers. 0.91

00:22:54.000 Groomer teachers, yeah. 0.92

00:22:55.000 It's so bizarre.

00:22:57.000 It's so bizarre to see these people making these videos because they're doing it like out in the open.

00:23:03.000 They're like, we are going to teach your kids the right things.

00:23:05.000 We are going to teach your kids to respect us.

00:23:08.000 We are going to teach your kids whatever theories that they want.

00:23:12.000 And they're doing it in this weird, arrogant assertion that they're going to indoctrinate these children into their ideology, and they're literally mocking or taunting the parents that we're going to do this to your kids.

00:23:25.000 And I don't understand the motivation.

00:23:27.000 I don't understand why they would make those videos.

00:23:29.000 I don't understand why anybody would hire those people to be teachers and why they wouldn't fire them immediately upon seeing those videos.

00:23:36.000 I know they did fire that one teacher.

00:23:40.000 I think it was a professor who was talking about people who are attracted to underage people that we shouldn't call them pedophiles.

00:23:49.000 Yeah, that was a professor.

00:23:50.000 That's right.

00:23:51.000 Right.

00:23:51.000 Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.

00:23:52.000 She said we shouldn't call them pedophiles.

00:23:54.000 We should call them minor attracted.

00:23:57.000 Minor attracted persons, which the MAP, but the P in MAP should just stand for pedophile because that's what minor attracted means.

00:24:05.000 Well, this idea that you can be a pedophile but not act on it.

00:24:12.000 Which I guess is true. 0.81

00:24:13.000 I guess, for some reason, you could be attracted to children and not act on it.

00:24:19.000 The question is like, how does that happen? 0.76

00:24:22.000 Like, what is it about a human that would have that sick inclination to want to have a sexual interaction with a child? 0.86

00:24:31.000 Like, what is that? 0.96

00:24:32.000 Yeah, I have no idea.

00:24:34.000 It's got to be like some cycle of abuse.

00:24:36.000 Like, abuse generates abuse generates abuse.

00:24:38.000 Right.

00:24:38.000 Like, that's not a healthy thing.

00:24:40.000 Like, that's not good.

00:24:42.000 I wonder if there's, like, in the literature, if there's ever any instances of that happening without abuse.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:24:50.000 I do know how it got into schools.

00:24:53.000 That I've researched.

00:24:54.000 Please tell me how.

00:24:55.000 Well, I mean, a lot of people don't know that the radicals of the 60s...

00:25:00.000 There's this book.

00:25:00.000 It's called The Critical Turn in Education.

00:25:02.000 I've been doing a podcast series on this book.

00:25:05.000 It's written by a guy named Isaac Gottsman.

00:25:07.000 He's a Marxist education theorist from Iowa State.

00:25:10.000 And at the very beginning, it's like literally the first sentence of the book.

00:25:13.000 He says, well, where did all the radicals from the 60s go?

00:25:16.000 Well, they didn't go to yuppiedom.

00:25:18.000 They didn't go to – I forget what.

00:25:19.000 He lists a couple of things.

00:25:20.000 He says, no, they went to the classroom.

00:25:22.000 And so a lot of those radicals, those violent radicals, 68, 69, early 70s, we could name Angela Davis, for example, as a key figure, literally went to K-12 activism.

00:25:32.000 And through the 70s, they kind of prepared the ground.

00:25:35.000 By about 1985, though, what this so-called critical turn in education, which means critical theory, or as this Gotsman says, he says, we shouldn't call it critical theory.

00:25:43.000 We should call it what it is.

00:25:44.000 We call it critical Marxism.

00:25:46.000 By about 85, These guys have basically become dominant in terms of setting teacher college training.

00:25:53.000 So if you're going to go to teacher college somewhere, Marxists are teaching you how.

00:25:57.000 And they bring in this guy from Brazil.

00:25:59.000 His name is Paulo Freire, a straight-up Marxist educator.

00:26:02.000 I've read his books.

00:26:03.000 He quotes Marx.

00:26:05.000 He quotes Lenin.

00:26:06.000 He's like, this is how it should be.

00:26:08.000 He's got this total weird idea like – Teachers and students, kids, adults and children shouldn't have like a differential in power.

00:26:16.000 They should be like equals with one another, which is a terrible idea because kids need structure and boundaries and especially in a learning environment.

00:26:23.000 Why would anybody – what's the motivation behind that?

00:26:26.000 The goal is to train them in what he calls conscientization.

00:26:30.000 I didn't say that right.

00:26:31.000 It's a hard word to say and here we are.

00:26:33.000 But to raise in them what's called a critical consciousness, which is a Marxist consciousness of oppression in society.

00:26:39.000 Basically, he's looking around and he says people are going to realize that they're dependent based on the society that they live in. 0.97

00:26:45.000 And rather than saying, OK, maybe you are, you know, maybe you're working a shit job, maybe you're stuck. 0.96

00:26:51.000 Let's teach you responsibility how to take control of your own life and, you know, raise yourself up and work hard and put your head down or whatever. 0.98

00:26:59.000 He says, no, we're going to go the collective route instead of the individual route.

00:27:03.000 We're going to try to have a revolution.

00:27:06.000 Freire famously says in this book from 85, which brought him into the U.S., a book called The Politics of Education, he says that the revolution, meaning The communist revolution has to be perpetual.

00:27:18.000 He says if a revolution ceases to be a revolutionary, it becomes a status quo.

00:27:23.000 And so he says as you awaken to this critical consciousness, this conscientization, which I still can't say – well, I've even got it stuck in Portuguese in my head.

00:27:32.000 I don't read Portuguese but it's usually not translated and I can say that worse. 1.00

00:27:37.000 Like that's way bad if I try that one, consciência tchau or something like that.

00:27:42.000 Anyway, it means to awaken to consciousness.

00:27:44.000 And so their goal by the mid-'80s in education was to start turning education more and more and more along this erase all power differentials, awaken a consciousness, and this queer theory stuff fits right within that. 0.52

00:27:59.000 So you're doing that at the identity level by breaking down the barriers between gay and straight, male and female, etc.

00:28:05.000 So it latches right into that.

00:28:07.000 In fact, the communists have been using He's like, 0.98

00:28:23.000 let's sexualize the kids. 1.00

00:28:36.000 This has been a thing that they've done throughout – It's a lot of communist attempts whether in the 20s and 30s and then again in the 60s with Herbert Marcuse leading like the sexual liberation kind of side of Marxism through the 60s and they're doing it again.

00:28:53.000 And so these people are Marxists.

00:28:55.000 They started to take over education schools and they're not going to say no to this stuff when it comes knocking on the door.

00:29:02.000 So this book again Critical turn in education says it went in three stages.

00:29:07.000 First, there was Marxist critiques in education.

00:29:09.000 Then by the mid-80s and early 90s, the post-structuralist feminists took over the critique of education, and that's where they brought the queer stuff in. 1.00

00:29:17.000 And I mean queer with like official queer theory. 0.61

00:29:19.000 I'm not doing the – just to be clear for the people who hate us.

00:29:22.000 Look at the queer stuff. 1.00

00:29:24.000 Yeah, the queer stuff. 1.00

00:29:25.000 Which, by the way, the definition of that is an identity without an essence.

00:29:28.000 I did this podcast about this paper by Hannah Dyer.

00:29:32.000 She wrote a paper in 2016 about queer futurity in education, something, early childhood education. 0.98

00:29:38.000 And she says in there explicitly that the point of queer theory is not to create a stable LGBTQ identity.

00:29:44.000 It's in fact to not have stable identities at all because those become the status quo.

00:29:49.000 And that would be the problem.

00:29:50.000 So you have to be constantly overturning that.

00:29:52.000 I don't know if you know who Dan Savage is.

00:29:54.000 It gets better, that guy.

00:29:56.000 The whole last third of the paper is criticizing it gets better, saying, well, that means he's just admitting that it's bad for kids.

00:30:04.000 It's this message of hope that was super effective at curbing kids.

00:30:08.000 And it gets better means reaching out to young gay kids to tell them that there's going to come a point in time where it's going to feel okay.

00:30:16.000 It's going to be better.

00:30:17.000 You'll find your community.

00:30:19.000 There's a lot of us out there.

00:30:20.000 It's awkward now.

00:30:21.000 Life's weird.

00:30:22.000 It's hard.

00:30:22.000 Maybe it's harder for you because of some stuff you didn't sign up for.

00:30:26.000 And it gets better, man.

00:30:28.000 Don't give up.

00:30:29.000 It gets better.

00:30:30.000 And he even has this messaging in there like it's going to make you stronger.

00:30:33.000 You know, it's super positive, actually.

00:30:35.000 And so she just takes him to task for this.

00:30:37.000 So this is the post-structural feminists turned into the queer theorists. 1.00

00:30:42.000 They got eaten up by Judith Butler coming along and saying, well, if gender is a social construct, well, maybe sex is a social construct, too.

00:30:48.000 Have you heard Douglas Murray talk about this?

00:30:50.000 A little bit, yeah.

00:30:51.000 Well, he talks about the end of civilizations.

00:30:53.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 Yeah, and when civilizations start to crumble, they become obsessed with gender.

00:30:58.000 Yeah, androgyny and, yeah, the whole thing.

00:31:00.000 And homonormativity over heteronormativity, he's got a whole thing about that.

00:31:04.000 Like, they're trying to normalize that which is abnormal.

00:31:07.000 And that's really the definition of queer theory.

00:31:09.000 What's funny, it's fascinating that... 0.70

00:31:11.000 See, Douglas has a free pass because he's gay, and he's brilliant.

00:31:15.000 So when he talks about these things, they don't know what to do.

00:31:17.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 Like when he starts talking about these considerable issues when it comes to trying to figure out what's what, he can kind of get away with stuff.

00:31:28.000 And when he explains that at the end of all these civilizations with the Roman... 0.93

00:31:33.000 Civilization, the Greek Empire, they all started falling into this thing where they wanted to redefine gender. 0.98

00:31:40.000 They do, yeah.

00:31:40.000 You can actually see it in like the statues and stuff.

00:31:42.000 Yeah.

00:31:43.000 It's really interesting.

00:31:44.000 They go from being like these super buff dudes and like sexy babes and then, you know, all of a sudden they all look like, you know, an anime character or something. 0.99

00:31:52.000 I don't know.

00:31:53.000 They look like NPCs eventually is what they look like.

00:31:56.000 It's such a weird time because everything has happened so rapidly.

00:32:03.000 And it really is from the onset of social media.

00:32:07.000 If you go back to pre-social media to what the world was like to today, the change has been so radical.

00:32:15.000 Oh yeah, it's crazy how fast it is.

00:32:17.000 I mean, think about it.

00:32:18.000 We're totally connected to one another.

00:32:20.000 We can form our alliances now worldwide.

00:32:24.000 Based on what we think, what we agree with, what we think is funny, what we don't, rather than, oh yeah, we all happen to be in Texas, so we've got to get along.

00:32:32.000 Also, the amount of people that are interacting on social media is not like, you know, I did a bit about it last night.

00:32:41.000 It's not the large percentage of the population.

00:32:44.000 It's a small percentage of the population that's shaping the The way the culture thinks about things because they're the ones that are talking the most.

00:32:53.000 Right.

00:32:53.000 And so these are people that are obsessed people.

00:32:56.000 Obsessed.

00:32:56.000 Obsessive.

00:32:57.000 Obsessives.

00:32:58.000 Yeah.

00:32:58.000 And socially awkward ones, too.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, a lot of them.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 You know, we don't...

00:33:02.000 I know I'm going to sound like Jordan Peterson with the whole, you know, we don't know the effects that this will bring...

00:33:08.000 But really, we don't.

00:33:09.000 We suddenly went from, with the advent of social media, we went from an era where extroverts, by kind of definition, kind of ruled the public sphere.

00:33:18.000 Introverts did a lot of important work.

00:33:19.000 We're not to discount that.

00:33:21.000 But once you get them online...

00:33:23.000 Now introverts have this hugely expanded voice while extroverts are out doing cool stuff and they're not on the internet.

00:33:28.000 And then you add in people with social anxiety issues.

00:33:32.000 Well, they're not out hanging out and going to the bar because they have social anxiety.

00:33:35.000 What are they doing?

00:33:36.000 They're on the internet yelling at people.

00:33:38.000 Yeah.

00:33:38.000 And then you get certain ones of these people who are absolute obsessives.

00:33:40.000 And I'll tell you about this fanatic thing, this obsessives. 0.83

00:33:43.000 So the military, it turns out Eisenhower after World War II was like, all right, these black soldiers fought like hell for us.

00:33:51.000 We're going to desegregate the military.

00:33:53.000 This is way before the schools or any other thing.

00:33:55.000 We're going to do this.

00:33:57.000 And so they're like, how do we integrate the units, right?

00:34:01.000 How do we do this?

00:34:01.000 And so they started this thing with these different approaches to diversity training, what we would recognize as so-called diversity training now.

00:34:07.000 And the first program they had, they called it putting them on the hot seat.

00:34:11.000 And what they would do is they would basically do what diversity training in workplaces does now.

00:34:16.000 Some guy down there and make him confess all of his different racist ideas and then have like a lesson about it and like everybody would have to confess their racist stuff and they put the black people there and like, oh, I've always thought this bad stuff about you.

00:34:27.000 And what they found out was that for a small percentage of the group, it worked. 0.99

00:34:32.000 It made them more aware of these attitudes and biases and what a jerk they're being, and it worked. 0.94

00:34:37.000 And then for most of the people, they actually had way less of a problem with race than anybody was assuming, and it didn't really do anything. 0.98

00:34:44.000 Plus, it's all just kind of a waste of time and nobody likes administrative BS anyway.

00:34:48.000 They just want to do the stuff.

00:34:50.000 But then for another small segment, maybe about – I don't know what percentage, so I don't want to make some number up, but some small percentage, they literally became fanatics.

00:34:58.000 That's the word in the report.

00:35:00.000 They became fanatics who wouldn't do anything except go around and call everybody racist all the time for everything.

00:35:05.000 Stop it.

00:35:05.000 Twitter!

00:35:06.000 Yeah, it was so bad that they had to cancel the program.

00:35:09.000 And that's right.

00:35:09.000 That's exactly right.

00:35:10.000 It's Twitter.

00:35:11.000 And so, you know, these obsessives...

00:35:14.000 I just mentioned, you know, post-structural feminism working into the critical turn in education or whatever. 0.99

00:35:19.000 Critical race theory, by the way, is the third step, Gotsman says, is the turn to education.

00:35:23.000 But...

00:35:25.000 I just mentioned that, but they were the bloggers, man.

00:35:28.000 Back in, like, 08, 09, it was like every blog in the universe was some feminist woman bitching about something. 1.00

00:35:35.000 And, like, bitching about somebody and bitching about, you know, why can't we grow out our armpit hair? 0.96

00:35:40.000 Why can't we stink?

00:35:41.000 Why can't we wear, you know, whatever clothes we want?

00:35:44.000 Why can't we do this?

00:35:45.000 Why can't we do that?

00:35:46.000 And it's patriarchy, patriarchy.

00:35:47.000 These people, there's your obsessives, right?

00:35:49.000 Yeah.

00:35:50.000 And they totally dominated that blog sphere when before, like, there was like pre-social media or barely social media time.

00:35:59.000 And that's where everybody was, like, sharing these ideas.

00:36:01.000 And so these obsessives gained an extraordinarily outsized voice.

00:36:06.000 Now, have you heard of renormalization?

00:36:08.000 No.

00:36:08.000 Okay, this is a big idea because it's the idea that a very small...

00:36:14.000 That group of extremely intolerant people can change a very large number of normal people.

00:36:20.000 So 3% or 4% being just absolutely intolerant can move the entire needle.

00:36:25.000 And the way it works – the example – I saw this video on YouTube, so I'm stealing this.

00:36:29.000 The way it works though is like you can imagine like a family of four and you got like, you know, the daughter or whatever decides she's vegan.

00:36:37.000 The teenage daughter, she's like, I'm vegan now.

00:36:39.000 And so like whoever's cooking, the parents are like, well, I can cook two meals or I can, you know, get in a fight every night at dinner or I can just cook some vegan stuff.

00:36:52.000 Right?

00:36:52.000 And all of your options are basically, unless you're going to go kind of like hard-nosed, all of your options are kind of bad except just keep the peace and that's it.

00:37:03.000 Be soft.

00:37:03.000 Be nice.

00:37:04.000 Keep the peace.

00:37:05.000 No struggle.

00:37:07.000 Don't offend anybody, right?

00:37:09.000 And So now your whole family's cooking vegan meals.

00:37:12.000 So now the neighborhood has a barbecue.

00:37:14.000 You got one girl who's actually vegan.

00:37:15.000 Whole family's eating vegan and they're like, well, we need vegan options.

00:37:18.000 And so now the barbecue of the neighborhood's like, well, we got to do something for the Johnsons down the street.

00:37:22.000 You know, they're vegans now.

00:37:23.000 And so what can happen is like the whole neighborhood now has to accommodate vegans, but there's one vegan, right?

00:37:28.000 And you can just see how this expands out.

00:37:30.000 This process is called renormalization.

00:37:32.000 So when you have this small contingent of obsessives, Which these people who are in these Marxist ideologies – woke Marxism is what I – I don't even call it woke anymore.

00:37:42.000 I call it woke Marxism.

00:37:43.000 Woke Marxists are completely obsessives, and they're completely intolerant. 1.00

00:37:48.000 Anything but their way is sexist, racist – Probably capitalist, patriarchal, and you are the worst kind of person and the dumbest person and probably crazy for not going along with them. 0.99

00:37:59.000 And they can renormalize an entire, say, social media platform, at which point they have this massive amount of dominance over the national discourse. 0.98

00:38:08.000 Well, especially if that kind of ideology gets into the administration of that social media platform, which it has on basically all of them.

00:38:19.000 My friend Giannis Papas just got a strike against his account on YouTube. 0.98

00:38:23.000 And I'm going to read you the transcript of what they struck, because this is wild shit. 0.89

00:38:29.000 Because it's gotten to the point where it doesn't have to have anything to do with It has nothing to do with bullying, nothing to do with hate. 0.92

00:38:41.000 He's just joking around about stuff.

00:38:44.000 And he makes a point, or he makes a joke that is essentially... 0.98

00:38:52.000 You know, I mean, he's just being silly about the gay pride parade. 1.00

00:38:56.000 And he said, I support gay rights, but can we move the gay parade tonight so I can explain gay rights to my daughter without having to see your asshole before noon? 1.00

00:39:07.000 That's a joke. 1.00

00:39:08.000 It's just a joke.

00:39:09.000 They gave him a strike on his account for that. 1.00

00:39:12.000 I mean, this is wild shit. 0.99

00:39:14.000 And then there was another one that he had that was about... 1.00

00:39:18.000 There was another one that he had about...

00:39:21.000 I think it was about Justin Bieber or something like that.

00:39:27.000 Which was even more...

00:39:29.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:39:31.000 Bieber's old N-word.

00:39:33.000 Yeah, this is what he posted.

00:39:35.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:39:36.000 But look, go down below.

00:39:38.000 Look here.

00:39:42.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:39:43.000 It's the top one.

00:39:45.000 Jared, I like to hum myself.

00:39:47.000 I like melodies.

00:39:48.000 I like to sing.

00:39:49.000 That's my thing, son.

00:39:50.000 But I don't discriminate against any music.

00:39:52.000 You know, play Hootie, play Leonard Skinner, play whatever.

00:39:55.000 I'm down for it. 1.00

00:39:56.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

00:39:58.000 How is that in any way? 0.99

00:40:00.000 How is that the thing that they highlighted as something that YouTube is going to ban?

00:40:06.000 That doesn't even make any sense.

00:40:08.000 That's nuts.

00:40:09.000 Play Hootie, play Leonard Skinner, play whatever, I'm down for it. 1.00

00:40:13.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

00:40:15.000 How could anybody think that that is offensive? 0.99

00:40:19.000 That makes no sense.

00:40:21.000 That makes no sense.

00:40:23.000 I thought my example was like crazy.

00:40:24.000 I got dinged for saying that onion rings cure COVID. That should be so obviously parody.

00:40:33.000 But Giannis, the thing is, is he's a male...

00:40:37.000 Comedian.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 And, you know, he jokes around about shit. 1.00

00:40:40.000 He's a very open-minded guy. 1.00

00:40:42.000 He's very progressive.

00:40:43.000 He's very intelligent.

00:40:44.000 And they're somehow or another lumping him in with, like, a bad person or with alt-right or whatever.

00:40:51.000 That's the game, man.

00:40:52.000 That is the game. 1.00

00:40:53.000 I mean, it happens with fucking smart people. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Right. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Smart people use that pejorative. 1.00

00:41:00.000 Oh, these alt-right people.

00:41:02.000 I'm like, stop.

00:41:03.000 You're talking about people that aren't even remotely alt-right.

00:41:06.000 Like, don't do that.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:41:08.000 I mean, that was a whole thing.

00:41:09.000 Like, you know, we had just the other day here on the show, you had the, you know, Tim Pool's alt-right or whatever it was.

00:41:14.000 Josh Zeps, yeah.

00:41:15.000 It wasn't quite that.

00:41:15.000 He said that to try to diminish what Josh Zeps has been saying about Australia because he works for Australian media and he's trying to be nice-nice over there.

00:41:23.000 No, I hear you. 0.79

00:41:24.000 Australia's scaring the shit out of me, though, I'll tell you that. 1.00

00:41:26.000 It should.

00:41:27.000 You know, and it didn't, Josh, and he lives there, and I think, you know, sometimes people, when they work for an organization that is going along with the government's rules and guidelines, and they think everything's good and fine, and you don't live in Australia, so you don't know.

00:41:41.000 We're all vaccinated, so we're free, and you're wrong, and this is right.

00:41:45.000 Like, you're not convincing me by telling me that people like Majid Nawaz are alt-right. 1.00

00:41:51.000 That is fucking nonsense. 1.00

00:41:53.000 Right, totally. 1.00

00:41:54.000 That's so dumb. 1.00

00:41:56.000 It's so crazy to call him alt-right. 1.00

00:41:58.000 And to call Tim Poole alt-right as well.

00:41:59.000 Tim is, if anything, he's a centrist.

00:42:02.000 He's just a guy who...

00:42:04.000 He was like a boots-on-the-ground journalist for Vice.

00:42:08.000 Yeah, he was all up in Occupy.

00:42:11.000 He was an Occupy Wall Street guy.

00:42:12.000 Yeah.

00:42:13.000 He was like right there.

00:42:14.000 I know Tim very well.

00:42:15.000 He's not alt-right at all, but he'll entertain a conversation with anybody.

00:42:19.000 He will.

00:42:19.000 Like he had, okay, he had O'Keefe from Project Veritas on the other day.

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 And that's like, that guy's the boogeyman to the left.

00:42:27.000 You can't, like even if what he's saying is a fucking threat, he's exposing threats to democracy. 0.98

00:42:34.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:42:34.000 He's exposing real live corruption. 0.98

00:42:37.000 He's exposing real live conspiracies.

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:41.000 And they're like, oh, no, but it's Veritas.

00:42:44.000 But it's Veritas, yeah.

00:42:45.000 They've somehow or another decided that an individual can be, like, you could, it's almost like a cure to the reality of whatever he's exposing.

00:42:55.000 Like, you could say, oh, it doesn't matter because it's James O'Keefe.

00:42:58.000 And you can put that on top of the thing and it all goes away.

00:43:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:02.000 It's wild!

00:43:03.000 It's extremely wild.

00:43:04.000 I mean, that's the, I mean, that's, again, your show, Blue Open Mass Formation Psychosis.

00:43:10.000 Well, that's not a thing.

00:43:11.000 Don't you know that's not even a thing?

00:43:12.000 Well, yeah, I saw that.

00:43:13.000 It's not even a real thing.

00:43:13.000 I mean, there's books like back to the 1800s about it, but it's not a thing.

00:43:16.000 But it's not real.

00:43:17.000 It's not real.

00:43:18.000 It's fake.

00:43:18.000 Well, there's a certain psychologist that went to a college, and he told me it's not a thing.

00:43:22.000 So there's that.

00:43:23.000 Yeah.

00:43:24.000 You know...

00:43:25.000 It's for sure, whatever you want to call it.

00:43:28.000 Like something's going on where people get to feel morally superior, whether they're execs at Instagram or interns or whoever knocks down that account.

00:43:37.000 And they get to be morally superior.

00:43:39.000 Or, you know, look at this drop Veritas just did.

00:43:43.000 Like, I don't know if that thing that they just did with the COVID is...

00:43:46.000 Like, panned out or not.

00:43:48.000 But if it did, that's...

00:43:49.000 Like, somebody should probably be looking into that, you know?

00:43:52.000 What's fascinating is how it is completely 100% ignored by the left-wing media.

00:43:58.000 It's like it doesn't exist.

00:43:59.000 Fox is the only people covering it.

00:44:00.000 And how much...

00:44:01.000 Is Fox covering it quite a bit?

00:44:02.000 I don't watch TV, so I don't know.

00:44:04.000 Tucker's talked about it.

00:44:05.000 Tucker's talked about it.

00:44:06.000 But if you look on left-wing media, Rachel Maddow and...

00:44:09.000 Oh, it doesn't exist.

00:44:10.000 It doesn't exist.

00:44:12.000 It's not...

00:44:14.000 Even if you think it's a lie, you have to cover it.

00:44:19.000 It's a significant issue.

00:44:20.000 We need to get to the bottom of it.

00:44:22.000 Are these documents true?

00:44:25.000 Are they correct?

00:44:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:27.000 Is it true that this leaked, according to the document, that this leaked COVID-19?

00:44:32.000 It leaked actually not in November, December, whatever it was.

00:44:36.000 But in August, is it true that it was created in these patents?

00:44:41.000 Is it true that they knew that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and the other things you're not allowed to say anywhere could work as curatives?

00:44:48.000 Because that's in – I don't know all the facts.

00:44:51.000 I don't even claim to.

00:44:52.000 But I know that's in the document.

00:44:53.000 I read the document.

00:44:54.000 Not only that, this concerted effort by a group of these people, Francis Collins and Fauci and all these people, to try to demonize these distinguished intellectuals.

00:45:06.000 The Great Barrington?

00:45:07.000 Yeah.

00:45:08.000 Oxford, Harvard. 0.99

00:45:09.000 Lots of lunatic extremists there, right? 0.96

00:45:13.000 Guys who are experts in their field. 0.97

00:45:15.000 Total fringe guys, Oxford. 0.99

00:45:17.000 Who's ever heard of that crap hole? 0.99

00:45:18.000 It's so strange. 1.00

00:45:20.000 And meanwhile, left-wing media ignores.

00:45:22.000 Ignore, ignore. 0.97

00:45:23.000 Didn't happen.

00:45:24.000 Didn't happen.

00:45:25.000 Absolutely didn't happen.

00:45:26.000 The only people that you can trust that are left-wing are the independent people.

00:45:30.000 And that's why it's so strange.

00:45:32.000 It's the strangest time ever.

00:45:33.000 It really is.

00:45:34.000 It's wonderful for independent people.

00:45:36.000 Because for people like Crystal and Sagar from Breaking Points, it's opening the door.

00:45:41.000 For people like The Hill, like Kim Iverson, it's opening the door for people to expose these things.

00:45:46.000 So you get a chance to see these independent people rise.

00:45:50.000 And then more people go, hey, you've got to listen to this lady talk about this. 1.00

00:45:53.000 She explains it in very rational, factual terms.

00:45:56.000 And now people will pay attention to Kim Iverson.

00:45:59.000 Now people will pay attention to Crystal and Sagar.

00:46:00.000 I watched Kim this morning.

00:46:02.000 As a matter of fact, she did a thing.

00:46:05.000 I don't know when she did it because it's on the internet.

00:46:06.000 So who the hell knows when the actual video was.

00:46:08.000 A YouTube video got sent to me.

00:46:09.000 And it's Kim Iverson.

00:46:10.000 And they were like, what's on your mind, Kim?

00:46:11.000 She has a little segment on her show.

00:46:13.000 And she was like, The Great Reset.

00:46:15.000 And she's like, here's some key things to know about it.

00:46:17.000 And it has bullet points on the screen.

00:46:19.000 And it's like, number one, it's real.

00:46:21.000 It's like...

00:46:21.000 Okay.

00:46:22.000 Just to kind of tie that knot a little bit tighter, though, we're talking about CNN. The media won't talk about these things.

00:46:29.000 It just vanishes.

00:46:29.000 So do you know Klaus Schwab has a new book after COVID-19, The Great Reset?

00:46:33.000 You know what it's called?

00:46:34.000 What? 1.00

00:46:35.000 I shit you not. 0.99

00:46:36.000 It's called The Great Narrative. 0.99

00:46:39.000 Yeah, right?

00:46:40.000 I haven't read that yet.

00:46:42.000 Where's his background?

00:46:43.000 I never heard of him until like a month ago.

00:46:44.000 It's very hard to find out about his background, actually.

00:46:48.000 If you look him up, it's all shadowy.

00:46:49.000 I was born in a cave.

00:46:52.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:46:53.000 I've heard stories about his parentage that probably shouldn't be repeated on air because we don't know what they are.

00:46:57.000 Somewhere in the middle of the earth is a secret laboratory where I was born.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, but he's been doing this since the 70s.

00:47:06.000 It wasn't called the World Economic Forum in 71, but that's when he wrote his first thing to try to come up with this stakeholder capitalism scam that he's worked out and tried to foist on the world. 0.97

00:47:17.000 And so The Great Reset, obviously people are like, wait, what is this bullshit? 0.90

00:47:20.000 It's like it's not going well for them. 0.74

00:47:22.000 So now he comes out with a book, The Great Narrative.

00:47:25.000 And then you look at what CNN's doing, you look at all the left-wing media, MSNBC, you're like...

00:47:31.000 And that's been the hot word of a year, right?

00:47:33.000 The narrative, the narrative.

00:47:34.000 What is it?

00:47:35.000 January 6th has a narrative.

00:47:36.000 Everything has a narrative.

00:47:37.000 What do you think the people that are on the talking heads that are on these networks, how do you think that works?

00:47:45.000 Do you think they get informed as to what the narrative is, what they're allowed to and not allowed to discuss?

00:47:50.000 I know they're getting lists of things they're not allowed to discuss.

00:47:53.000 How do you know this?

00:47:54.000 Because I know somebody who went on TV and got yelled at for it.

00:47:58.000 I can't verify it.

00:48:00.000 The guy told me in person.

00:48:01.000 What did he say he got yelled at for?

00:48:02.000 I'll even tell you who the guy is.

00:48:04.000 We're going to name one of those names you're not allowed to name.

00:48:06.000 Mike Lindell.

00:48:07.000 The MyPillow guy?

00:48:09.000 Oh.

00:48:09.000 I met him at Mar-a-Lago last year.

00:48:11.000 He's a little silly. 0.99

00:48:12.000 He is. 1.00

00:48:13.000 But he said that what got him, he is, in fact. 1.00

00:48:16.000 He's quite a bit silly. 1.00

00:48:17.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:48:18.000 Apparently, if you get the pillows, you have to put them in the dryer to activate them.

00:48:21.000 I don't know what that's about.

00:48:22.000 Activate them?

00:48:22.000 I don't know what this is about.

00:48:24.000 Wait a minute.

00:48:24.000 What are you saying?

00:48:25.000 I've heard that the pillows, I'm not supposed to like, I don't want to like piss on the guy's business, but I heard the pillows suck.

00:48:30.000 And then if you put them in the dryer, they're really good. 0.71

00:48:31.000 What are you talking about?

00:48:33.000 It's just a pillow.

00:48:35.000 No, it's just a pillow.

00:48:36.000 How could it change when you put it in a dryer?

00:48:38.000 Who knows?

00:48:38.000 It probably gets hot and, like, I don't know.

00:48:40.000 I don't have one.

00:48:41.000 Like, a hot pillow?

00:48:41.000 Like, all these other people I know have these, like, coupon codes to, like, go get your MyPillow.

00:48:46.000 Hold. 0.96

00:48:46.000 What is this? 0.96

00:48:47.000 The patented fill will lock into place when laying on your back, bunch MyPillow registered, Under the curve of your neck to get the right amount of support for you as an individual.

00:48:59.000 What does that mean?

00:49:00.000 As opposed to what, you as a group?

00:49:02.000 Yeah.

00:49:02.000 Before first use, place in a dryer for 10 to 15 minutes with a damp washcloth to activate the patented interlocking fill.

00:49:11.000 I have no idea how it works.

00:49:12.000 What is in there?

00:49:13.000 All I know is that he got, I saw him at Mar-a-Lago. 1.00

00:49:16.000 Let me see a picture of one of these fucking things. 1.00

00:49:17.000 What is the deal? 1.00

00:49:18.000 Is it just a foam pillow? 0.99

00:49:21.000 Holy shit, it's like in a little bag. 0.99

00:49:22.000 It comes in a bag? 1.00

00:49:24.000 It's like all the air sucked out of it.

00:49:26.000 Look at this!

00:49:26.000 Place pillow in a dryer for 15 minutes before first use.

00:49:29.000 It says it in the bag?

00:49:31.000 Yeah.

00:49:32.000 Have you ever seen one of these, Jamie?

00:49:33.000 I have not purchased a MyPillow.

00:49:36.000 I have gone another route.

00:49:38.000 He has the slippers.

00:49:39.000 What kind?

00:49:39.000 What do you got?

00:49:39.000 Other pillows?

00:49:40.000 I don't fucking know. 0.98

00:49:41.000 I got one of these groovy foam ones. 0.99

00:49:43.000 It's like a hole for your head, and your head sits in there when it locks it in place. 0.99

00:49:48.000 Mine's like memory foam alongside and soft shit on top. 1.00

00:49:51.000 Oh, I love it. 0.98

00:49:52.000 Yeah, mine's some kind of memory foam too, but it's memory foam, but it's contoured to your head.

00:49:56.000 Yeah, it's got to be contoured or it'll ruin your life. 1.00

00:49:58.000 I fucked my neck up. 0.99

00:49:59.000 I got a really stiff, thick pillow, and I was sleeping on it for like a couple of weeks, but I was sleeping with my head kind of bent because it's so thick. 1.00

00:50:09.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:50:09.000 And I got a kink on the left side of my neck, and I've been fucking rubbing it out every day. 0.98

00:50:14.000 I'll work that out for you later. 0.98

00:50:15.000 What are you, a massage therapist?

00:50:17.000 I was for 10 years, yeah.

00:50:18.000 Wait, really?

00:50:18.000 I just retired my license this year, yeah.

00:50:19.000 No shit! 0.99

00:50:20.000 Or last year. 1.00

00:50:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:21.000 Okay.

00:50:21.000 Because what I've been doing is I use, like, we have this company that was a sponsor, Hyperice, and they have this ball.

00:50:28.000 It's called the Hypersphere. 1.00

00:50:30.000 It's the shit. 1.00

00:50:31.000 You press a button, it goes... 1.00

00:50:33.000 And then press another button, press it again, it goes...

00:50:36.000 And another button goes...

00:50:39.000 Like, same button, just keep pressing over and over again.

00:50:41.000 That was exactly that Spaceballs thing, by the way, that scene with the radar.

00:50:45.000 Oh, really?

00:50:46.000 Yeah, you did.

00:50:46.000 Sounds good.

00:50:47.000 Thank you.

00:50:48.000 So anyway, I get this vibrating ball, and I put it under my neck, and then I bridge on it.

00:50:53.000 So I get on there and really dig into it.

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 Is it working?

00:50:57.000 I'm an intense kind of guy.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, it does work.

00:50:58.000 You can be.

00:50:58.000 Yes.

00:50:59.000 You're pretty chill, too, though.

00:51:00.000 Most of the time.

00:51:01.000 Most of the time.

00:51:01.000 I have a Switch.

00:51:02.000 I like to keep it under wraps.

00:51:04.000 I think most people do.

00:51:05.000 Yes, most people do, too.

00:51:07.000 So speaking of the switch, though.

00:51:08.000 So MyPillow guy.

00:51:09.000 MyPillow guy was flipping out.

00:51:11.000 I tried to just go up.

00:51:12.000 I thought, okay, let's go meet the guy.

00:51:14.000 Say hi.

00:51:16.000 Trump's over there.

00:51:17.000 Let's talk. 0.91

00:51:19.000 And, like, he's just mad.

00:51:21.000 And he's, like, ranting about his experience on the media.

00:51:24.000 And I don't know if it's on, like, Hannity or one of these guys.

00:51:26.000 He went on one of these Fox guys.

00:51:28.000 And they literally, on their desk, had a list of stuff that if the guest goes there, take it away.

00:51:32.000 And he went, like, just...

00:51:34.000 This was about the election fraud stuff that he got all...

00:51:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:37.000 And he went, like, balls to the wall into it.

00:51:41.000 And they, like, took his microphone from him and everything.

00:51:43.000 So there's a list of stuff they're not supposed to talk about.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, but that actually kind of makes sense because if you're running around saying the election was a fraud, that Donald Trump is the true president, they can get in trouble for that.

00:51:56.000 That's a real problem because you're promoting propaganda. 0.96

00:52:00.000 If you have that person on your network and you're putting it out on the airwaves, There's a faction of our country that really does believe that the true president is Donald Trump and that JFK Jr. is alive and he's gonna meet Donald Trump in the middle of fucking Dealey Plaza. 0.94

00:52:16.000 It's a bit thick there. 0.82

00:52:17.000 Yeah, but you know what I mean?

00:52:19.000 A lot of those QAnon dorks, they believe that stuff.

00:52:22.000 Right. 1.00

00:52:22.000 So if you go and start spouting out that kind of shit on TV, on Fox, that's bad for business. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Because people have this thing about Fox already. 1.00

00:52:31.000 Right, of course.

00:52:32.000 It's the home for less educated, loony people that are more inclined to believe in Pizzagate, right? 0.91

00:52:41.000 Yeah, like Texans. 0.95

00:52:42.000 Yeah.

00:52:43.000 What?

00:52:43.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:52:44.000 Hey! 1.00

00:52:44.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

00:52:46.000 That'll teach you to move. 1.00

00:52:47.000 So when a guy like Mike Lindell, is that his name?

00:52:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:51.000 So when he goes on a network and he says a lot of wacky shit, he's said some wacky shit before, right? 0.99

00:52:56.000 Right. 1.00

00:52:57.000 He has, but, so has, I said last night, our friend, but I haven't met him yet, Alex Jones has said a lot of wacky shit. 0.95

00:53:04.000 You haven't met Alex yet? 0.98

00:53:04.000 No. 0.98

00:53:05.000 Oh, you need to meet Alex.

00:53:05.000 Yeah, we gotta get together.

00:53:06.000 Yeah, we need to make that happen.

00:53:07.000 Yeah, it'll be fun.

00:53:10.000 So anyway, I think that we – I actually believe that we should be having – and this is what the internet is causing is a lot of open dialogue about things, some of which is going to be wacky.

00:53:19.000 I actually no longer worry about misinformation.

00:53:21.000 I actually don't worry about it anymore.

00:53:23.000 I worry about propaganda, but I don't worry about misinformation.

00:53:25.000 And the reason I don't worry about misinformation is because if the ideas are out there and people are discussing them – I think?

00:53:54.000 There's a lot of doctors.

00:53:55.000 Look, my doctor prescribed it.

00:53:57.000 I have several friends who have doctors that prescribe it.

00:54:00.000 But now they're having a really hard time finding it.

00:54:04.000 Even though it's an incredibly common medication, they're trying to actively stop people from taking it.

00:54:10.000 And there's certain doctors that they won't prescribe it for you.

00:54:14.000 You ask for it, they'll say, would he pay attention to Joe Rogan or something?

00:54:18.000 Like, they literally get upset about it.

00:54:20.000 Yeah, he's a Texan.

00:54:21.000 But there's...

00:54:23.000 Like, there's a long history of use of that stuff.

00:54:25.000 Yeah.

00:54:26.000 But there's a large chunk of our country that believes that it's horse medication and that it's dangerous.

00:54:35.000 Yeah, I know.

00:54:35.000 And that there was a line of people waiting to get into an emergency room in Oklahoma for gunshot wounds because there were so many people there that were overdosing on ivermectin.

00:54:45.000 Rolling Stone said it.

00:54:46.000 Rachel Maddow said it. 1.00

00:54:47.000 It's 100% full of shit. 1.00

00:54:49.000 It never happened. 1.00

00:54:50.000 By the way, how many people are getting shot in Oklahoma?

00:54:53.000 What is this, the Wild West?

00:54:54.000 You got a line of people with gunshot wounds in their hands? 1.00

00:54:57.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:54:59.000 It doesn't even make sense. 1.00

00:55:00.000 I've been to Oklahoma City.

00:55:01.000 It's nice.

00:55:01.000 It's a great place.

00:55:02.000 No, but that's what I'm saying, though.

00:55:04.000 It's like so they've got the official narratives that they can put out.

00:55:07.000 And then I think that I'm not worried about misinformation.

00:55:10.000 In fact, I think that more information is generally better.

00:55:13.000 But then we have this ability for these ideas to compete and for ones not necessarily that are better, but often ones that are better, but also ones that are, you know, the danger is the ones that are more sticky or salient or interesting or that they get people's emotions going or whatever.

00:55:29.000 There are processes, though, there are selection processes to let ideas rise up to the top.

00:55:34.000 If they're not censored.

00:55:36.000 That's what I'm saying, right?

00:55:38.000 So that's what I'm saying is I don't think that we should be censoring these things.

00:55:40.000 Like if Mike Lindell, for example, is doing this gigantic... 0.99

00:55:44.000 Maybe it's all complete horseshit, but he's got the statistics and he's done all this thing and the voting machines and the Dominion and he's got all this shit. 0.99

00:55:55.000 He's put millions... 1.00

00:55:56.000 This maybe is a newsworthy thing, if for no other reason, so that it gets more eyeballs on it so people can say, this is where it's bullshit, this is where that falls apart. 0.84

00:56:05.000 It's where this stuff gets caught up in these little corners where it can fester that I worry more about bad info.

00:56:11.000 I want to see it as open as possible.

00:56:13.000 I'm not saying that Fox has to do whatever with its programming. 0.98

00:56:16.000 But I'm saying that it's better that we're having kind of a free information economy, if you will, than one that's – we've got the official gatekeepers of that, whether they're stupid – I almost said the F word – professors. 0.98

00:56:31.000 I'm really mad at professors, by the way. 1.00

00:56:33.000 These fucking professors. 1.00

00:56:34.000 Yeah, the other day I gave this talk. 1.00

00:56:35.000 I said it for you.

00:56:36.000 For these like very nice people and, you know, some of them were quite religious and they were like, just don't say the F word during your talk. 0.99

00:56:42.000 And I was like, okay, but what if it's like fucking commies? 0.99

00:56:45.000 And they're like, well, you can say fucking communist, but no other way. 1.00

00:56:48.000 What? 1.00

00:56:48.000 Yeah, if you say these fucking communists. 1.00

00:56:50.000 You can't say fuck you, you can say fucking communists? 1.00

00:56:53.000 Well, I mean, I could have said it. 1.00

00:56:54.000 It's like free speech, but they- They asked you not to swear.

00:56:57.000 Don't swear, but if communist is the next word.

00:56:59.000 So I'm like that with professors right now in many regards, but also these media heads.

00:57:04.000 Like I don't need an aristocracy telling me how ideas – which ideas are going to be true and false.

00:57:10.000 Now, as you know, we talked about postmodernism last time I was here with you.

00:57:14.000 I'm not exactly a postmodernist, but I listened. 0.99

00:57:16.000 I read that shit, right? 0.99

00:57:18.000 And I didn't just read it to like, oh, this is why these guys are wrong. 1.00

00:57:20.000 I read it, right?

00:57:22.000 I read Michel Foucault, for example, and he talks about how power works. 0.96

00:57:26.000 And he's got a lot of crazy shit in there because he's ultimately at the bottom of Marxist and so capitalism has to be the problem of everything. 0.93

00:57:32.000 But he's got a lot of stuff that we should be listening to right now. 0.99

00:57:35.000 What he's saying is if you have the official power – he's saying it's always this but I don't think that's true.

00:57:40.000 But if you have the official power of like the state and the media or whatever and they get to decide what's true, they impose like – A narrative of truth.

00:57:49.000 Like, there's these aristocrats, professors, media personalities, etc.

00:57:52.000 They get to decide what's true for everybody, and that's what we all have to nod our heads and go along with.

00:57:56.000 Uh-uh.

00:57:57.000 I don't like that.

00:57:57.000 I think that the aristocracy that we had in the 19th century was not a great thing.

00:58:02.000 In 17th century, 18th century, I don't think that was a great thing.

00:58:05.000 The serfs, you know, getting abused and whatever else.

00:58:08.000 I think we've got the exact same scenario going on in the information world right now.

00:58:12.000 And the Internet's breaking it free.

00:58:14.000 So guys like Alex Jones, breaking it free, and what do they do?

00:58:18.000 Turns out he was right about 93.5% of everything he said, except for maybe the Satan stuff, I don't know.

00:58:25.000 Interdimensional child molesters.

00:58:27.000 But he was right about an uncanny amount of stuff.

00:58:30.000 An uncanny amount of stuff.

00:58:31.000 And what did they do?

00:58:32.000 He was the first guy.

00:58:33.000 They sliced him off everything.

00:58:35.000 They shut him down off of all of the social media.

00:58:38.000 That was the beginning of this.

00:58:39.000 He was the beginning of this, and that was a guy that they felt they could justify because of Sandy Hook.

00:58:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:44.000 And so they used that, and then they used that to silence him, and then they moved forward from there and just started silencing all kinds of different people.

00:58:52.000 Right.

00:58:52.000 And so I look at that, and I think, no, I want the opposite of that.

00:58:56.000 So I'd rather have, you know, occasionally you end up with Mike Lindell on Fox News talking, like if Hannity wants, or whoever it was, I don't know, wants to have him on the show, like, let it freewheel.

00:59:06.000 Let his idea get out there. 0.99

00:59:08.000 And then, like, let's say it's 100% bullshit. 0.95

00:59:10.000 Let all these geniuses on the internet, because they're everywhere, and they don't have anything else to do, start crunching the numbers and be like, here's where he made his mistake. 0.98

00:59:17.000 The problem is that it dismisses the credibility of Fox News.

00:59:20.000 It diminishes the credibility of Fox News.

00:59:22.000 I don't think that they have any...

00:59:23.000 They do to people that like Fox News.

00:59:25.000 I I know, but that's the problem.

00:59:27.000 You don't think the Tucker Carlson show has credibility?

00:59:28.000 No, it does, actually.

00:59:30.000 But what I'm saying is, in general, I don't like this.

00:59:32.000 He's got a huge platform.

00:59:34.000 You also have a huge platform.

00:59:35.000 I'm getting a platform.

00:59:36.000 You're platformed right now.

00:59:38.000 I am.

00:59:38.000 Thank you for platforming me.

00:59:40.000 I feel so platformed.

00:59:42.000 No, but it's like I feel like we don't want to have a very relatively small number of characters that head these things up getting to determine what is going to be credible, true.

00:59:55.000 I agree with you.

00:59:57.000 When you're a person who's looking at this from the outside, you say this guy is on TV in front of millions of people and he's saying things that are absolutely not true that are in fact dangerous to democracy because he's saying that our elections are – they're invalid.

01:00:13.000 They're rigged.

01:00:14.000 They're fake.

01:00:14.000 Donald Trump should be the president.

01:00:16.000 And that allows all these other people that are doing, whether it's the people that are censoring folks on YouTube, the people that are censoring folks on Twitter, they look at this and go, see, this is why we have to do this.

01:00:28.000 No, I get that. 0.99

01:00:29.000 Because this kind of shit can get out and we have to stop this shit from getting out. 1.00

01:00:32.000 So if Hannity or whatever these guys – they can stop the most egregiously silly ideas or the provably untrue ideas. 1.00

01:00:41.000 Yeah, but – If they can stop that.

01:00:43.000 But we don't want like Rachel Maddow deciding that you can't take Horst to Wormer or that Joe Rogan's gray on CNN and – No, I'm not saying we do.

01:00:50.000 But I'm saying that the reason why they feel like they have to do this – No, you're right.

01:00:54.000 It's because of the fact that it's so easy to dismiss them right now.

01:00:58.000 Also, if you look at it from a perspective like strategy, there's one versus many.

01:01:04.000 They're kind of surrounded.

01:01:06.000 If you looked at Fox News, and I'm not saying, it's not a value judgment, like one's wrong or one's... 0.98

01:01:11.000 I'm just saying if you looked at the way their perspective on the right is represented in the news, there's fucking no one left. 0.87

01:01:19.000 OAN, that Wacky News Network, they just got kicked off of DirecTV. 0.95

01:01:23.000 Yeah, they just got kicked off TV. Yeah.

01:01:25.000 Well, they're still on Verizon and a few other of those cable, but DirecTV is huge.

01:01:31.000 Right.

01:01:31.000 Well, speaking of kicking people off, Mike Lindell just got his ability to bank shut down.

01:01:37.000 Tell me what you were saying earlier because you glossed over it but then you stopped. 1.00

01:01:41.000 You said he spent millions of dollars on this shit. 1.00

01:01:45.000 He's utterly convinced. 1.00

01:01:48.000 This is actually important about the democracy point you raised.

01:01:51.000 He's utterly convinced that there was...

01:01:54.000 You know, misfeasance with regard to...

01:01:56.000 Malfeasance?

01:01:57.000 Is that what it is?

01:01:57.000 Well, it's probably mal actually instead of mis.

01:01:59.000 Both are words, but...

01:02:01.000 I've never heard mis.

01:02:02.000 It's less bad.

01:02:03.000 So we'll say malfeasance.

01:02:05.000 It's really bad.

01:02:06.000 So he thinks that they used the Dominion machines that had shady programming, etc.

01:02:11.000 And I don't know the details of his hypothesis, but that they were changing the numbers in a particular way to move votes from one guy from Trump to Biden, etc.

01:02:20.000 And so he spent millions of dollars on some kind of a...

01:02:23.000 I think?

01:02:41.000 Who are looking at the 2020 election and they're kind of squinting one eye and they're like, okay, maybe something – I mean like maybe as many as 50 or 80 million Americans are like, I think something shady went on there.

01:02:52.000 And so he's got this hypothesis, right?

01:02:54.000 So the distrust in the democratic process in the country is already shaken.

01:02:58.000 So my view is when somebody's bringing up a point like this, the only way – like if something happens where people are suspicious enough or there's a guy that's going to devote millions of dollars to something like that, you've really – of course, you could just have a crazy guy with a lot of money.

01:03:12.000 That's always possible.

01:03:14.000 The way that you recover what's dangerous to democracy is not tying off those loose ends, right?

01:03:21.000 So if you leave that open, like, the trust is already shattered.

01:03:25.000 And so what you want is this—so he comes up with this hypothesis. 0.99

01:03:30.000 OK. And he spent all his money and he presents his evidence and then people, you know, as ideally transparently as possible, analyze the evidence that he presents and says, this is, oh, my God, this is an emergency or there might be something here or, you know, this is total bullshit. 0.99

01:03:45.000 You're a crazy person and we're never going to hear from you again in any significant way. 1.00

01:03:49.000 Go go home that. 1.00

01:03:51.000 What's missing is that transparency.

01:03:53.000 So what's dangerous for me to democracy is the idea that there are going to be people, whether it's Sean Hannity on Fox, whether it's Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, whether it's Don Lemon on CNN, whether it's Anthony Fauci, whatever the hell he is, whether it's Joe Biden,

01:04:09.000 you know, Back in 1989 because he doesn't know where he is.

01:04:13.000 Whatever it happens to be, I don't think it's good for anything if those people get to delimit what we're going to see as officially true and that's what we have to go with because that's the mess that we're in with why you got attacked for taking horse medicine even though you took the human version obviously and you took a Nobel Prize winning medicine with decades of – You know,

01:04:40.000 human use and science and success behind it.

01:04:43.000 And that was a decision made between yourself to take it and your doctor as the consultant who recommended and was able to get you the prescription to get it.

01:04:54.000 Anthony Fauci didn't need to intervene in that decision.

01:04:57.000 Discussion.

01:04:58.000 You could have taken these pills, which have a long time of human use, and it could have done nothing.

01:05:03.000 It could have just given you diarrhea or, you know, it could have made you sick or whatever, and then your doctor could have reacted accordingly to try to create a treatment protocol for you tailored to what's actually going on in your individual body as you dealt with the COOF. You don't need a bureaucrat, I think, deciding, 0.82

01:05:18.000 no, no, no, these are the official things that we're going to say work and don't work because that's where you get yourself in these really dangerous positions.

01:05:23.000 I agree with everything you said.

01:05:25.000 Have you ever listened to what Mike Lindell says and did you ever look at his evidence? 0.93

01:05:29.000 Oh, I think he's a bit nutty.

01:05:30.000 But did you ever look at his evidence about the stolen election?

01:05:33.000 I did not.

01:05:34.000 What do you think he's nutty about?

01:05:36.000 I think he's nutty too, but I don't have – like if you cornered me and go, why is he nutty?

01:05:41.000 I'm like, ah, I saw him in an interview once. 0.94

01:05:43.000 He looked wacky.

01:05:43.000 Well, I mean, yeah, there's that.

01:05:45.000 It's probably people have that opinion in me.

01:05:46.000 I mean, when I met him, he actually, what did he say?

01:05:48.000 He said something really funny because he used to be on crack, right?

01:05:51.000 Really? 0.66

01:05:51.000 Yeah, he used to be like a crackhead. 0.66

01:05:53.000 For real? 0.81

01:05:53.000 I'm not making that up. 0.81

01:05:54.000 Yeah, totally.

01:05:55.000 And so he made some joke about how, you know, he said something and he was like, I didn't even have to smoke crack to say that or whatever, you know, some kind of a joke like that.

01:06:02.000 And it's like...

01:06:04.000 Okay.

01:06:05.000 Anyway, I don't have the skill, in fact, to parse his evidence.

01:06:09.000 But such people do.

01:06:11.000 Or certain people do.

01:06:12.000 Look at this.

01:06:13.000 How this entrepreneur went from a crack addict to self-made millionaire.

01:06:17.000 Yeah. 0.86

01:06:18.000 So this is before he was nutty.

01:06:20.000 This is 2017. He was like just a self-made millionaire.

01:06:24.000 It's like he wasn't a nut back then. 0.91

01:06:26.000 In 2017, he was allowed to be nutty. 0.55

01:06:29.000 So I don't...

01:06:29.000 And clean and sober for over eight years.

01:06:31.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 Oh, so 2011, smoking that rock.

01:06:35.000 You got a really good idea.

01:06:37.000 Yeah, really good idea where he's cracked out.

01:06:39.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 When did he start the company?

01:06:41.000 Let's find out when the company got started.

01:06:43.000 About 2012. I mean, are these fucking pillows worth buying? 0.99

01:06:46.000 I'm very curious. 0.99

01:06:48.000 I don't have one.

01:06:49.000 I feel like I'm very curious.

01:06:50.000 I mean...

01:06:55.000 2004. 2004. So, he started the company, cracked out.

01:06:59.000 Cracked out, yeah.

01:07:00.000 Cracked out, making pillows.

01:07:02.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 Did better than the kid from Harvard that was trying to make pillows to compete with him.

01:07:07.000 That didn't go so good.

01:07:07.000 Was there a kid from Harvard that made pillows?

01:07:09.000 Yeah, David Hogg.

01:07:10.000 Oh, that kid?

01:07:10.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 He made pillows? 0.99

01:07:12.000 Yeah, I think he called them like OurPillow or some communist shit. 1.00

01:07:15.000 Oh, silly. 1.00

01:07:16.000 Oh my god, that's so silly. 0.99

01:07:18.000 Now, does anybody analyze his stuff and say the MyPillow guy's got a point? 0.97

01:07:25.000 I don't know.

01:07:26.000 No, but people could. 0.88

01:07:27.000 And I would rather it be out there and have that transparency to the maximum degree with people who are weighing in on this and saying, no, actually, he's totally nuts. 0.91

01:07:36.000 I agree.

01:07:37.000 I think there should be platforms in terms of whether it's like a YouTube or a Twitter and Facebook and all these fall into this thing that are accessible to all Americans.

01:07:49.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 Because I think they're a basic human right.

01:07:52.000 Because the right to express yourself, when we live in this very strange time of misinformation, disinformation, the counter to that should be more communication.

01:08:02.000 I think so.

01:08:02.000 Like I said, I think truth is sort of spiritual sounding, but I think of truth like a flame.

01:08:08.000 Like it burns its way out of boxes of lies that it gets put into.

01:08:12.000 That sounds like a Bette Midler song.

01:08:14.000 Is it?

01:08:14.000 Some say hello.

01:08:16.000 Oh, no.

01:08:18.000 No, that's something else, Joe.

01:08:20.000 According to the headlines, when I Google the evidence he has for voter fraud, from last week, he has evidence that he'll put up to 300 million Americans in jail.

01:08:33.000 That's us.

01:08:33.000 We're going to jail.

01:08:34.000 That's a lot of people.

01:08:35.000 For life?

01:08:36.000 See, so that's wacky.

01:08:38.000 That's as wacky as he gets.

01:08:39.000 These are the headlines.

01:08:39.000 There are only 330 million.

01:08:41.000 Well, maybe he was doing a Biden thing.

01:08:43.000 He's old. 1.00

01:08:43.000 He fucked his brain up on crack. 1.00

01:08:45.000 And you remember when Biden said, like, over one billion Americans have been vaccinated. 1.00

01:08:50.000 Get vaccinated.

01:08:52.000 Remember when he did that?

01:08:54.000 300 million people belong in jail for voter fraud.

01:08:57.000 That's unlikely to be true unless he's talking globally, in which case it's still unlikely to be true.

01:09:01.000 He's an entrepreneur. 1.00

01:09:03.000 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 1.00

01:09:04.000 This guy is a genius. 1.00

01:09:07.000 Yeah, that's wacky.

01:09:09.000 I would love to see that shot down through robust public debate. 1.00

01:09:13.000 I would too, but if you're Hannity and you got a seven-minute segment with this fucking loon, you don't want this guy spouting this kind of crazy shit on your show. 0.99

01:09:21.000 Why do you call him in the first place? 0.99

01:09:22.000 Diminish the accuracy of your show.

01:09:23.000 I don't know.

01:09:24.000 Maybe there's something else to talk about.

01:09:26.000 Maybe there's something else.

01:09:28.000 He's on a bit of a quest, you know.

01:09:30.000 To prove that the voter fraud was there.

01:09:32.000 Yeah.

01:09:32.000 So, again, maybe Hannity's not the place for it.

01:09:37.000 I don't know.

01:09:38.000 But I would rather...

01:09:39.000 If you're Fox, though, does it make sense to you that you wouldn't want someone saying that on your network?

01:09:47.000 Possibly.

01:09:48.000 It depends on its general public salience.

01:09:51.000 Like, is this a huge discussion point that Fox has been dancing around a little bit here and there, but they won't?

01:09:56.000 So, in that case, it's like, let's bring this guy in, hear what his evidence is, and then start bringing up counterpoints if you want to bring up counterpoints.

01:10:05.000 I just don't want any...

01:10:07.000 I think that where we're trapped the most is that people like whoever it is that Instagram gets to strike down your buddy and my onion ring joke.

01:10:17.000 And whoever it is, like you were saying, the social media platform should be free for everybody.

01:10:22.000 I don't think that we want...

01:10:24.000 People that we don't even necessarily know who they are in a lot of cases getting to make the decisions of what is and is not going to be considered true, especially when they're putting flags on stuff like Lynyrd Skynyrd and Hootie.

01:10:34.000 They're doing something that is without a doubt suppressing certain views and perspectives.

01:10:41.000 And imagine a world where Milo Yiannopoulos is never banned from Twitter.

01:10:46.000 Gavin McGinnis never banned from Twitter.

01:10:49.000 Yeah.

01:10:49.000 Alex Jones never banned from Twitter.

01:10:51.000 Donald Trump never banned from Twitter.

01:10:52.000 People go, well, those are terrible people.

01:10:54.000 Well, guess who's not banned from Twitter? 1.00

01:10:57.000 The head of the fucking Taliban. 1.00

01:10:58.000 Okay, guess who's not banned from Twitter? 1.00

01:11:00.000 Cardinal Ratzinger, a man who is wanted for crimes against humanity, who moved priests who molested children.

01:11:08.000 The former Pope, the Ratzinger guy, moved priests that molested children to new places where they can molest children, where they molested thousands.

01:11:17.000 There was at one point in time one priest that he moved that molested 100 deaf kids. 1.00

01:11:23.000 I mean, this is horrible, evil shit. 1.00

01:11:27.000 That guy's on Twitter. 1.00

01:11:29.000 So just explain to me why that makes any fucking sense at all.

01:11:33.000 Look around at what is actually on Twitter and who's allowed to talk on Twitter. 0.90

01:11:38.000 And you find yourself in a very weird situation where you're trying to justify this.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 And so there's a bias with that as well.

01:11:49.000 The bias has a name.

01:11:50.000 It's called repressive tolerance.

01:11:52.000 Repressive tolerance is the name of an essay from a Marxist in the 60s.

01:11:56.000 Herbert Marcuse was the guy's name.

01:11:57.000 Most influential guy in the 60s in the Marxist scene probably.

01:12:01.000 His book from 1964, the year before the essay, was called One Dimensional Man, sold 300,000 copies.

01:12:08.000 So That's in the 60s, right?

01:12:09.000 It's pretty big time. 0.98

01:12:10.000 And he writes this essay in 65 called Repressive Tolerance and he says – and I shit you not. 0.94

01:12:16.000 I mean we could pull up the quote. 0.82

01:12:17.000 It says that repressive tolerance means – or actually he calls it liberating tolerance.

01:12:23.000 Liberating tolerance means – Tom Hanks, Jr.: Tolerating movements from the left and being intolerant against movements from the right.

01:12:31.000 And so the whole tilted playing field is visible there.

01:12:35.000 And his justification, he says, is that we could have stopped World War II. We could have stopped Auschwitz if we would have withdrawn democratic tolerance, that's his words, from Hitler when he was making his speeches.

01:12:45.000 And he says, so this only – this is censorship.

01:12:48.000 He says this is even pre-censorship.

01:12:49.000 He's like, this obviously can only make sense.

01:12:52.000 Under a circumstance, it's like emergency powers, right?

01:12:55.000 He says under a circumstance where it's clear and present danger.

01:12:57.000 And then he literally goes on, totally mental, to say, I maintain that our society is in that situation all the time.

01:13:04.000 Thus, we always have to censor the right, pre-censor the right.

01:13:08.000 He says we have to stop the idea from ever entering their head.

01:13:11.000 So this is where this kind of suppression of, say, Mike Lindell's views, maybe totally batshit, or Alex Jones's views, We have to stop the thought from ever entering the head.

01:13:22.000 Why?

01:13:23.000 So that we can avoid Auschwitz in a world war. 0.95

01:13:25.000 I don't think it's actually how it works.

01:13:27.000 We've got this Marxist telling us that we need to tilt the playing field so that the left is always advantaged.

01:13:31.000 He even says in the essay that you have to tolerate even when they're violent.

01:13:35.000 I think?

01:13:54.000 And if there's – even to the point of not allowing the thought to enter the head of people on the right, we have to censor – and he says pre-censor – and repress, repressive tolerance.

01:14:07.000 We have to repress the right wing.

01:14:09.000 And that's the game that we all have to live in right now.

01:14:14.000 Yeah, sure, Ratzinger is not exactly this liberal dude, right?

01:14:18.000 But there are occasionally these cases where – Something doesn't quite fit that mold, but for the most part, that's what we're seeing.

01:14:25.000 Everybody else you named is a right-wing dude.

01:14:28.000 And the suppression is absolutely not...

01:14:31.000 You and I know right now that if we were going to go on Twitter, we pull out our phones right now, we're going to get on Twitter, and it's like, all right, let's do a contest to see who can get banned from Twitter first.

01:14:41.000 Like, you know exactly what types of opinions are going to get you banned, and they're not left-wing opinions.

01:14:48.000 Right.

01:14:48.000 You could come out and say, like, those videos, you could say the most wacky stuff, like, I'm going to groom children, or whatever, and you're probably going to be okay.

01:14:57.000 You'll be okay.

01:14:57.000 As long as you couch it in theory or something first so you sound intelligent and whatever.

01:15:02.000 Minor attracted persons.

01:15:03.000 Minor attracted persons.

01:15:04.000 Yeah, those accounts are all still there.

01:15:06.000 They're literally groomers.

01:15:07.000 And they're bringing those books with literal depictions of graphic sex acts into schools. 0.80

01:15:13.000 No, is that real?

01:15:13.000 Is that something that they're actually bringing into school?

01:15:17.000 Or is that something?

01:15:19.000 What is that?

01:15:20.000 Yes, it's real.

01:15:22.000 And they're not even just bringing it into schools.

01:15:25.000 They're doing it in an underhanded way.

01:15:27.000 Because a lot of people have forgotten this, but the state, turns out, does not have free speech.

01:15:33.000 Citizens have free speech.

01:15:34.000 So it's already – this is long government precedent.

01:15:37.000 It's obvious First Amendment law.

01:15:38.000 The state, like the teachers, the curriculum can't do – they can't just say anything.

01:15:45.000 Free speech is not a defense available to them if they're saying something that's like unprofessional out of their job description or whatever or bringing pornography into the – even if it's fairly soft pornography into the classroom.

01:16:00.000 But the library works differently.

01:16:03.000 And so they're actually bringing it in through the library.

01:16:05.000 So these aren't like books like the teacher necessarily is reading through in class.

01:16:09.000 They're available in the library and they can be – kids will be told the books are in the library.

01:16:14.000 And they do.

01:16:15.000 They depict – this one is called Genderqueer. 0.96

01:16:17.000 I mean this is like crazy.

01:16:18.000 I got in trouble on YouTube for even saying what's in this book.

01:16:21.000 But I've seen the picture from the book.

01:16:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:25.000 It's actually, it shows, you know, appears to be some kind of lesbian-type relationship, or maybe it's non-binary, and there's a strap-on dildo on a minor and another one performing oral sex on the strap-on dildo. 1.00

01:16:38.000 A minor? 1.00

01:16:38.000 They're children. 1.00

01:16:39.000 There's a child with a strap-on and another child performing oral sex. 1.00

01:16:43.000 Okay. 1.00

01:16:44.000 And this is a book that's in the library?

01:16:46.000 Yeah, there's another one I saw yesterday, and I apologize because I don't know what the title of it is because I only just saw it, where it actually shows people going down on each other like cunnilingus.

01:16:56.000 You want to make a graphic novel of that and publish it for adults.

01:17:01.000 Is this available online?

01:17:03.000 Can I see these images?

01:17:04.000 Yeah, I bet you can.

01:17:05.000 Let me take my pants off.

01:17:06.000 No.

01:17:07.000 Okay.

01:17:07.000 Just kidding.

01:17:08.000 Look it up.

01:17:09.000 Genderqueer.

01:17:09.000 Terrible joke.

01:17:10.000 Genderqueer.

01:17:10.000 Show me this online.

01:17:13.000 This is scandalous.

01:17:14.000 I don't know what to look up.

01:17:15.000 If I just type those words in, you end up on the wrong websites.

01:17:19.000 You end up on a bad list.

01:17:21.000 Genderqueer schools books.

01:17:22.000 That's what I would type in.

01:17:23.000 Think of that.

01:17:25.000 Or a school's book.

01:17:26.000 Why don't you go to DuckDuckGo?

01:17:28.000 Stop using Google. 1.00

01:17:29.000 Keep fucking you. 1.00

01:17:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:31.000 Alright, for this one I will.

01:17:32.000 Google gives you bad info.

01:17:33.000 Have you ever done the side-by-side?

01:17:35.000 It's nuts sometimes.

01:17:36.000 It's wild.

01:17:37.000 It's really wild sometimes.

01:17:38.000 Mass formation psychosis is a good example of that. 0.77

01:17:40.000 It is.

01:17:41.000 They did the thing right after your show.

01:17:44.000 And they were like, we're still updating the quality of our search results or something like that for a day.

01:17:49.000 And then it's not there.

01:17:50.000 Well, what was there was mocking Robert Malone and critiques of Robert Malone.

01:17:56.000 Wasn't there some poor guy's video?

01:17:57.000 And he got totally bombed or whatever because it prioritized just some random video of some kid saying it doesn't exist or whatever?

01:18:04.000 I do not know, but I do know that when you looked at Mass Formation Psychosis and DuckDuckGo, you got all the relative information.

01:18:10.000 All the stuff.

01:18:11.000 Yeah, it's shocking.

01:18:14.000 I do that all the time.

01:18:15.000 Whenever there's any kind of weird, controversial story, I immediately go to DuckDuckGo. 0.99

01:18:20.000 I don't fuck with Google. 0.98

01:18:21.000 I know. 0.99

01:18:21.000 This is, again, just another example I'm talking about. 0.99

01:18:24.000 It's curated.

01:18:25.000 Is this it?

01:18:26.000 That's the right colors.

01:18:28.000 This is all cartoon stuff.

01:18:29.000 It's a graphic novel.

01:18:31.000 It's not...

01:18:31.000 Okay, so there's blood all over that kid's legs?

01:18:34.000 It's a boy who had his period.

01:18:36.000 Oh, the boy had his period.

01:18:38.000 And so...

01:18:39.000 Okay.

01:18:41.000 So the boy's on a date with a girl and he has this period?

01:18:43.000 What's happening?

01:18:47.000 I was looking for the pictures, like he said, and I didn't see them when I quickly scrolled through.

01:18:51.000 These are other pictures that are in the book.

01:18:54.000 Have you ever shaved your pubic hair?

01:18:55.000 They're holding hands.

01:18:56.000 Nope.

01:18:57.000 That's so brave.

01:18:58.000 Yeah, right there.

01:19:00.000 Brave?

01:19:00.000 I thought it was lazy.

01:19:01.000 That's the picture I'm talking about.

01:19:02.000 Right there.

01:19:04.000 Whoa.

01:19:05.000 Okay. 1.00

01:19:05.000 So that is supposedly a strap-on that looks like a penis. 1.00

01:19:10.000 How do we know that? 0.99

01:19:11.000 Oh, there it goes.

01:19:11.000 So that...

01:19:13.000 Okay, that is so insane.

01:19:15.000 So this, but I can't feel anything.

01:19:18.000 This was much hotter when it was only my imagination.

01:19:22.000 Why can't you feel anything? 1.00

01:19:23.000 Because it's a rubber dick. 1.00

01:19:25.000 Let's try something else. 1.00

01:19:26.000 Of course, Hart.

01:19:28.000 So this is, they're literally showing in a book that's in a library. 1.00

01:19:34.000 A kid sucking on a rubber dick that's strapped onto this. 0.99

01:19:38.000 And the articles, when I was Googling for it, it said they got pulled from the libraries, though, too. 0.99

01:19:42.000 And there's this huge fight to get it put back in everywhere.

01:19:46.000 And a lot of schools are standing up saying, no, we're going to keep this because we have to protect LGBT kids, etc.

01:19:52.000 The thing is, like, if you wanted to make this and sell it to people over 18, that makes sense.

01:19:57.000 Yeah.

01:19:58.000 Like, why not?

01:19:59.000 Of course.

01:19:59.000 Like, why not?

01:20:00.000 But if you want to put this in libraries...

01:20:02.000 School libraries.

01:20:03.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 And so...

01:20:04.000 It seems like you're...

01:20:06.000 So we wheel back to not just queer theory, but all these critical theories, right?

01:20:10.000 Critical race theory, whatever.

01:20:12.000 And they actually openly say, I mentioned that paper by Hannah Dyer earlier, they openly say that one of the targets that they have is childhood innocence.

01:20:20.000 They say childhood innocence is a narrative that's created by People who have privilege and advantage, like you're a rich white guy or whatever, so your kids can grow up innocent.

01:20:31.000 But if you're a queer kid or if you're a black kid in the city or whatever, you can't grow up innocent. 0.98

01:20:37.000 You can't grow up racially innocent.

01:20:39.000 So they literally say that their target is to unmake childhood innocence.

01:20:42.000 So what do they do?

01:20:43.000 They expose them to adult sexual themes.

01:20:45.000 They expose them in pre-K even to like racism themes.

01:20:49.000 And a lot of parents, of course, are like, I don't think that's appropriate.

01:20:53.000 And what are they trying to accomplish with the goal of eliminating childhood innocence?

01:20:59.000 Well, depends on who's doing it.

01:21:02.000 Those minor attracted persons, of course, they might have their own, if we will, minor attracted pedophiles would have their own agenda, right?

01:21:08.000 Groomers.

01:21:09.000 They're groomers.

01:21:09.000 And if there is no childhood innocence, then the childhood doesn't have innocence and we can even do away with maybe aging consent laws or we can da-da-da.

01:21:18.000 So there's that whole sick side of it.

01:21:20.000 But from the Marxist perspective, having studied the history of Marxism through the 20th century, I'm telling you, this guy, George Lukács, in Hungary laid this plan out because if you get these kids, like, you break down their innocence sexually especially, what you can do is then they're going to go home and they're going to tell their parents that they're some,

01:21:38.000 like, lithromantic, you know, demisexual, you know, tree self gender, some, you know, pronouns tree, tree self or something.

01:21:46.000 And the parents are going to be like, what?

01:21:49.000 And they're going to be like, mom, you just don't understand.

01:21:51.000 So you separate the younger generation from the older generation.

01:21:55.000 So you get them to break away and think that they're old fogies, that they're repressive, you don't want me to be my true self, etc.

01:22:01.000 The goal is actually to destabilize the kid's identity so that they're groomable.

01:22:05.000 That's identity without an essence in queer theory.

01:22:07.000 And then they're groomable.

01:22:08.000 You groom them into this stuff and then they look at their parents' culture.

01:22:11.000 They look at their parents' themselves.

01:22:13.000 They look at their parents' generation. 0.98

01:22:14.000 They look at the parents' religion and they say, that doesn't represent me.

01:22:18.000 We need something completely different.

01:22:19.000 So it's to – just like in Mao's Cultural Revolution and I mean that much more literally than you might suspect.

01:22:26.000 It's to cut the tie between the continuity of culture up to that point, including the family, and to start a whole new culture afterwards.

01:22:34.000 Pol Pot called it year zero.

01:22:36.000 I guess Klaus Schwab calls it the Great Reset.

01:22:39.000 But the goal is to separate the new generation from the traditions and views of the old generation.

01:22:45.000 For Mao, it was to destroy the so-called four olds. 0.52

01:22:48.000 Old culture, old habits, old customs, and old ways of thinking.

01:22:52.000 Sojiyo in Mandarin.

01:22:57.000 I think?

01:23:25.000 Sorry, reactionaries instead of being in favor of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

01:23:30.000 And Mao had a whole program he used in schools.

01:23:32.000 And I see something so similar to that in our schools now that I'm freaking out.

01:23:36.000 And what he did was he separated.

01:23:38.000 Listen to this.

01:23:39.000 You'll see it immediately.

01:23:40.000 He created 10 classes of people.

01:23:42.000 Five of them were black, were labeled black classes. 0.98

01:23:46.000 They're bad. 0.95

01:23:46.000 And five of them because of communism are red and they're good. 0.95

01:23:49.000 And I can't remember them all off the top of my head, but the black classes were like... 1.00

01:23:54.000 Landlord or child of landlord, right?

01:23:59.000 What else would you have?

01:24:01.000 Landlords, counter-revolutionaries, bad influences was one of the – so like that's us because we're spreading – we're bad influences.

01:24:12.000 And so he had these categories, people who had lots of money basically.

01:24:16.000 Right.

01:24:16.000 People who are capitalists, especially landlords.

01:24:19.000 And so those people are bad.

01:24:21.000 And if you're like the son of one of those people or connected to one of those people, they're going to tell you at school you're like the worst kind of person.

01:24:28.000 Your dad's a landlord.

01:24:29.000 Your family does this.

01:24:30.000 You guys are landholders.

01:24:31.000 Rich Farmer was one of them.

01:24:33.000 Rich Farmer was one of them.

01:24:35.000 And then they give you these red identities.

01:24:37.000 Well, you can be a revolutionary.

01:24:40.000 Peasant classes, day laborers, that's one or two of the red classes because it's communism. 0.85

01:24:45.000 But then you can become a revolutionary.

01:24:47.000 You can join the Red Guard.

01:24:49.000 You can take up these – you can be a good communist.

01:24:52.000 And now we'll call you – we'll give you like a red jacket or whatever, a red feather, I don't know, something.

01:24:56.000 And you're like one of the cool kids, whereas we're going to constantly tell you how bad you are over here.

01:25:01.000 Now, take out those classes like – Yeah.

01:25:22.000 You start showing them – you start telling them that they are part of the racist superstructure of society basically, that they're part of the systemic racism problem.

01:25:32.000 And so their whole identity generationally – your parents are white. 0.73

01:25:35.000 You didn't do it.

01:25:35.000 It's not your fault.

01:25:36.000 But you have all this privilege, blah, blah, blah.

01:25:39.000 You have these kids who are like, well, how can I have a positive identity?

01:25:43.000 What do those look like? 0.82

01:25:44.000 Well, you could be black or some other racial minority. 0.98

01:25:48.000 You could be queer. 0.99

01:25:51.000 And all of a sudden you have a pathway, a funnel, into a positive identity. 0.81

01:25:55.000 Not gay, because that's not enough. 1.00

01:25:57.000 You have to actually be queer. 1.00

01:25:58.000 Like, it's not meant to be a stable, like, oh, well, I'm a guy who likes guys.

01:26:02.000 The end, no.

01:26:02.000 I was born this way.

01:26:03.000 No.

01:26:04.000 Queer theorists don't get on with it. 0.66

01:26:05.000 They didn't support gay marriage.

01:26:07.000 The queer theorists don't like any of that stuff.

01:26:08.000 They don't want to normalize anything.

01:26:10.000 Well, what is queer then?

01:26:11.000 Queer is an identity without an essence. 1.00

01:26:13.000 It's a constantly fluid identity.

01:26:15.000 It can be whatever you want as long as it's politically active against anything that's considered normal or normative.

01:26:23.000 So you can be queer and have a heterosexual relationship?

01:26:25.000 I mean if you wanted to yell about things the right way.

01:26:28.000 But mostly you're going to have to adopt something, one of these like made-up genders, sexual orientations. 0.97

01:26:35.000 Non-binary.

01:26:36.000 Yeah.

01:26:36.000 They even have romantic orientations, like who you're romantically attracted to instead of sexually attracted.

01:26:42.000 They're obsessives.

01:26:43.000 We've said that word earlier.

01:26:44.000 But you give people a pathway.

01:26:46.000 And where do you see the vast majority of these young people transitioning and seeking non-binary and bisexual and whatever else?

01:26:53.000 Young girls.

01:26:54.000 Who are the most social status concerned and white man is probably not going to get anything anyway.

01:27:00.000 And so these young white girls are all becoming some kind of weird gender thing. 1.00

01:27:04.000 Why?

01:27:05.000 Because they're getting constantly barraged by critical race theory that says white is bad. 0.99

01:27:10.000 White is complicit in racism. 1.00

01:27:13.000 You're a racist. 1.00

01:27:13.000 You can become an ally. 1.00

01:27:15.000 That's a red identity, ally, racial ally.

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:41.000 I put on Twitter the other day, Ayanna Pressley, and I couldn't remember where she's from.

01:27:44.000 So I put, you know, it's always like D and then like the state, like DMI if it's from like Michigan or whatever, or D Michigan.

01:27:50.000 I put D hell because I don't remember where she's from.

01:27:53.000 But Ayanna Pressley came out and had this speech during the St. Floyd riots. 1.00

01:27:58.000 And she was like, we don't need any more black faces who don't want to be black voices. 0.90

01:28:02.000 We don't need any more brown faces who don't want to be brown voices. 1.00

01:28:05.000 What does that mean? 0.74

01:28:05.000 It means you have to be politically active. 0.74

01:28:07.000 Nicole Hannah-Jones from the New York Times, the 1619 Project said the same thing.

01:28:11.000 There's a difference between being racially black and politically black.

01:28:14.000 So then in your former home state of California – or not home state, I guess, but resident state of California, Larry Elder runs for governor, was the LA Times run. 0.95

01:28:23.000 Blackface of white supremacy. 0.94

01:28:24.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:28:24.000 Because he's not politically black. 0.98

01:28:26.000 So you have to be politically active.

01:28:28.000 You have to be a revolutionary in that ideology.

01:28:31.000 But it wasn't even about politically black.

01:28:33.000 He wasn't politically left.

01:28:35.000 Well, that's what it really means.

01:28:37.000 Right.

01:28:37.000 He's from Compton.

01:28:38.000 He wasn't – he's not a Marxist.

01:28:40.000 Right.

01:28:41.000 You only count if you're acting out one of these identity-based Marxist – Political views. 0.72

01:28:46.000 Whether that's, you can't just be a black kid, you have to be a politically black kid.

01:28:49.000 You have to spout critical race theory, or they say that black voices thing.

01:28:53.000 One of the pillars of critical race theory is called a unique voice of color.

01:28:58.000 They actually believe that you are morally determined, structurally determined, they call it, but it means morally determined.

01:29:04.000 If you happen to be black and you live in a white supremacist society as they define it, then your character is shaped.

01:29:10.000 So we listen to Martin Luther King, you know, that's this week. 0.81

01:29:13.000 His birthday was just the other day.

01:29:14.000 We listen to Martin Luther King when we say, you know, contents of character, not color of skin.

01:29:18.000 But according to the critical race theory view, your content of your character is determined by the color of your skin.

01:29:25.000 So that doesn't work.

01:29:27.000 And you have to take on the politics that is being a critical race theory advocate or whatever for your blackness to count. 0.99

01:29:37.000 Where the fuck does all this go? 0.99

01:29:39.000 This is what's so disturbing about it. 0.99

01:29:42.000 It seems like it's uprooting civil discourse in this country.

01:29:47.000 And between that and whatever is going on politically between the left and the right in terms of like The people that want to make sure that Trump never gets into office again and make sure that everyone who's right-wing is demonized and discussed as the worst aspects of society.

01:30:06.000 Leaving one choice.

01:30:09.000 If you're an intellectual, if you're a person who went to college, if you're a person who is a white-collar person, you're not allowed to be anything other than left-wing.

01:30:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:30:17.000 If you want to be respected and taken seriously.

01:30:19.000 Where does this go?

01:30:20.000 I mean you can look at what happened with the Cultural Revolution because we're playing out the exact same logic.

01:30:25.000 I mean the Chinese Cultural Revolution, not the American one that we're in the middle of right now.

01:30:29.000 The logic is the same.

01:30:31.000 So it goes to a situation in which we don't have a Mao Zedong character.

01:30:36.000 That's going to, you know, lead this and use the chaos that it creates to seize an iron grip of communist power. 0.88

01:30:44.000 What we have instead are people like this Klaus Schwab introducing Xi Jinping and saying, you know, what does he say?

01:30:51.000 I echo everything that you just said or that you said in 2017. I don't want to misquote him.

01:30:56.000 But then you have him, Xi, talking about how we have the many boats and we're all going to be one boat now, right?

01:31:03.000 Right.

01:31:03.000 So what you actually end up having is – it's not old school communism.

01:31:07.000 Communism has evolved.

01:31:09.000 It's like we're not going to have like Stalin like sending people to Siberia with this.

01:31:14.000 What you're going to have is this new thing where the corporate – Those ESG scores are going to come down ultimately to control people at the level of social credit for themselves.

01:31:26.000 Like if you want to be able to bank, if you want to be able to go to the grocery store maybe, if you want to go like in Australia more than five kilometers from your house, you have to have a justified reason.

01:31:33.000 That was a whole thing in their COVID. Like whatever the state of affairs there is, that's true.

01:31:38.000 Like during their hard lockdown, you couldn't be a certain distance away from your house.

01:31:43.000 Well, they can track you on your phone We've got a GPS in it if they needed to and especially if we go all the way into like these digital ID apps or whatever.

01:31:51.000 And so the goal is to install something that they have total social control run by the goons who think that this is a good idea so that we can become this one – it's not communism.

01:32:02.000 It's a mixture of communism and fascism into one thing.

01:32:05.000 What was the one thing that they were recently talking about, about labeling people that are dissenting against government opinions, people that are rabble-rousers? 0.68

01:32:18.000 DVEs. 0.60

01:32:18.000 Yeah. 0.60

01:32:19.000 Domestic violent extremists.

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 We can say that in terms of repressive tolerance.

01:32:24.000 How do they define it?

01:32:25.000 Because they were defining it in a very weird way.

01:32:27.000 Yeah, we'd have to pull it up.

01:32:28.000 It's really vague.

01:32:29.000 It's weirdly vague.

01:32:30.000 It's disturbingly vague.

01:32:32.000 Because the way they were describing it, you could easily say us, like people who are podcasters.

01:32:37.000 Yeah.

01:32:37.000 People who, what was the terms that they used?

01:32:41.000 They used a term, I was like, wow, that's not very clear.

01:32:45.000 It's really vague and, you know, concerning.

01:32:50.000 Yeah.

01:32:50.000 Very concerning.

01:32:51.000 What did they say?

01:32:52.000 They didn't say misinformation.

01:32:54.000 They said like someone who...

01:32:56.000 It was against the government.

01:32:58.000 It was like government authority or something like that.

01:32:59.000 Yeah.

01:33:00.000 Someone who has...

01:33:01.000 Questioning the government authority.

01:33:02.000 Questioning government authority.

01:33:04.000 Maybe not an exact quote.

01:33:05.000 Something along those lines.

01:33:06.000 But it's close to it.

01:33:07.000 Who released this?

01:33:09.000 Where was this from?

01:33:10.000 It was from like the DOJ. That's crazy.

01:33:15.000 See, the problem with this kind of shit, folks, is they don't even give it back to you. 1.00

01:33:20.000 No. 1.00

01:33:20.000 This is like when COVID's over and it's endemic and it becomes like the seasonal flu. 1.00

01:33:25.000 You don't get those rights back.

01:33:27.000 No, you're going to have to, and I don't mean this by violence, because it's from the FBI's paper I downloaded.

01:33:33.000 Okay, the FBI and the DHS are both charged with preventing terrorist attacks in the United States, including those conducted by domestic violent extremists.

01:33:44.000 And that three is right here.

01:33:45.000 The goal drives the FBI's mission to proactively lead Law enforcement and domestic intelligence efforts to defeat terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens and U.S. interests through an integrated strategy to detect, penetrate.

01:33:59.000 And then how are they describing it?

01:34:01.000 This thing here.

01:34:02.000 Okay, here it is.

01:34:03.000 The FBI and DHS define a domestic violent extremist as an individual based and operating primarily within the United States or its territories without direction or inspiration from a foreign terrorist group or other foreign power Who seeks to further political or social goals wholly or in part through unlawful acts of force or violence.

01:34:30.000 The mere advocacy of political or social positions, political activism, use of strong rhetoric.

01:34:40.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.000 Or generalized philosophic embrace of violent tactics may constitute extremism.

01:34:49.000 May not constitute.

01:34:50.000 May not, excuse me, my microphone's in the window.

01:34:52.000 And may be constitutionally protected.

01:34:56.000 What does that mean, though?

01:34:58.000 So, that last part is not as bad as it sounds.

01:35:04.000 No, it doesn't sound bad at all.

01:35:06.000 I mean, I saw this graphic thing that had very vague words on it, but...

01:35:12.000 This last part is very clear that they're saying, you know, you may have constitutionally protected free speech and so mere advocacy of these things may not be sufficient to qualify you as an extremist.

01:35:24.000 The scary part is the word may, of course, because that's a squishy word.

01:35:29.000 Right.

01:35:29.000 May not constitute extremism doesn't make me feel very happy.

01:35:32.000 Keep going.

01:35:33.000 Scroll down.

01:35:33.000 What does it say?

01:35:34.000 Disrupt and dismantle criminal DT plots in the FBI and DHS mission to provide strategic analysis of the DVE landscape.

01:35:43.000 I hate when they use those little acronyms.

01:35:45.000 Oh, I know.

01:35:45.000 It makes it hard to keep up with.

01:35:47.000 DT, it's not an acronym, right?

01:35:50.000 It's an acronym if you say it.

01:35:51.000 Like a dv. 0.99

01:35:52.000 I assume that, yeah, dv.

01:35:54.000 What's the difference?

01:35:55.000 An acronym is one where you...

01:35:57.000 No, it's an acronym.

01:35:59.000 What's the one when you say the...

01:36:00.000 Makes it a word.

01:36:02.000 Like NASA. Right.

01:36:07.000 It's a different word. 0.99

01:36:09.000 I fucking hate that. 0.99

01:36:11.000 We'll have to look that up too. 0.99

01:36:13.000 Okay.

01:36:14.000 The DT for the FBI's purpose is referenced in the U.S. Code, blah, blah, blah, blah, as defined as activities involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any other state,

01:36:30.000 or any state, appearing to be intended to intimidate or coerce civilian population.

01:36:37.000 Here's one.

01:36:38.000 Influence the policy of government by intimidation, coercion, or affect conduct of government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

01:36:55.000 Well, all that makes sense.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, that all makes sense, except that's like, isn't that what they did with the governor?

01:37:00.000 Michigan?

01:37:00.000 They kidnapped?

01:37:01.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:37:02.000 I was going to bring that up to you about January 6th.

01:37:07.000 What do you think they were trying to do?

01:37:09.000 And why were they trying to do that?

01:37:12.000 Who are the they that you're referring to?

01:37:14.000 So if the FBI is involved, or the feds, if they are involved, and that's why that woman was not able to answer those questions to Ted Cruz and said, I can't answer that, I can't answer that.

01:37:23.000 And things that you should be able to answer, like were you involved in citing violence?

01:37:28.000 Were you involved in violent activities?

01:37:30.000 So what do you think they were trying to do and why were they trying to do that?

01:37:34.000 Do you think it's because it's no secret that Donald Trump had a terrible relationship with the intelligence community?

01:37:43.000 Right.

01:37:44.000 He disparaged them, dismissed them, called them incompetent, fired Comey, the whole deal, right?

01:37:49.000 And they were out to get him, supposedly, right?

01:37:52.000 Do you think that what they were trying to do by inciting that Epps guy saying, we need to go in there.

01:37:58.000 I might get arrested for saying this, but we need to go into the Capitol. 0.99

01:38:02.000 And everybody's like, who's this fucking Fed? 0.94

01:38:04.000 After you guys noticed that, I saw this news came out that he is going to be doing an interview with the FBI to transcribe what he was I don't know what he was doing there that day, I guess. 0.98

01:38:15.000 Informally.

01:38:16.000 He met informally, Jamie.

01:38:18.000 No, he did already.

01:38:20.000 He's going to meet formally now.

01:38:21.000 Look at this.

01:38:21.000 Figure at the center of pro-Trump January 6th theories to speak with select committee on Friday.

01:38:27.000 Ray Epps met informally with the panel in November and told them he had no relationship with the FBI. No, he's with the NSA. We don't know who the fuck he's with.

01:38:38.000 He's with somebody. 1.00

01:38:40.000 Or he's a nut. 1.00

01:38:41.000 It could be he's a nut. 0.99

01:38:42.000 But if he was a nut, they would have arrested him. 0.97

01:38:44.000 Don't you think? 0.61

01:38:44.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.61

01:38:45.000 Because they arrested normal people.

01:38:47.000 Well, he didn't go in, though.

01:38:48.000 Did he go in?

01:38:49.000 I don't think so.

01:38:50.000 No.

01:38:50.000 I think they're trying to arrest people that didn't go in, too.

01:38:53.000 I think they got it out for Alex Jones.

01:38:55.000 Yeah.

01:38:56.000 And Alex Jones is telling people, don't go inside.

01:38:58.000 Don't go in there.

01:38:59.000 Don't let him talk into it.

01:39:00.000 Yeah.

01:39:00.000 Like Mr. False Flag, right?

01:39:03.000 On a bullhorn, telling people don't go inside there.

01:39:06.000 Yeah, of course.

01:39:07.000 But then when the cops opened up the gates and let people in, what do you think they were trying to accomplish?

01:39:14.000 This is my point.

01:39:15.000 So they tell you.

01:39:17.000 Of course, they turn it into like a holiday or something weird, right?

01:39:20.000 So it's really important to them that this was a very significant event.

01:39:24.000 Right.

01:39:24.000 And what are they doing with it?

01:39:49.000 Then – and I don't know if you saw this.

01:39:51.000 The New York Times on January 1st – so first of all, there's all this kind of like Patriot Act 2.0 looking shit coming out of this to label people who are – we'll say at least further to the right as potential domestic terror threats or whatever to our democracy,

01:40:07.000 which is its own thing.

01:40:10.000 But on January 1st, the New York Times published an article.

01:40:15.000 Yeah.

01:40:35.000 Trevor Burrus The clear and present danger is the constant state of our society.

01:40:59.000 It's the normal state of affairs.

01:41:00.000 What does that justify?

01:41:01.000 Repression of movements from the right, intolerance of movements from the left.

01:41:06.000 It's exactly what they were—if the FBI constructed— The bulk of the bad stuff that went down on J6. They were trying to construct their excuse to have a political biasing of the playing field that represses rightward and opens the gate leftward even further.

01:41:27.000 And so – and to add like Department of Justice, FBI, et cetera, teeth to this otherwise kind of cultural movement.

01:41:35.000 So it's the kind of – again, having studied the Chinese Cultural Revolution, it's the kind of thing that I start to get really nervous about.

01:41:42.000 The idea that if you read Mao, he's always talking about counter-revolutionaries.

01:41:46.000 He's always talking about conservatives and rightists.

01:41:50.000 And that those people have to be suppressed.

01:41:52.000 They have to be stopped.

01:41:53.000 They're a constant threat to the people's movement or to the revolution or whatever it is, however we phrase it, is often the people's movement is how he phrases it.

01:42:01.000 And you see this again, same kind of Maoist and Marxist maneuver to It's consolidate and lock up power in the – I don't even want to say the Democrats to be honest with you.

01:42:16.000 It's not the Democrats.

01:42:17.000 It's bigger than the Democrats.

01:42:19.000 It's in the – what often got referred to either as the deep state or the swamp or whatever, this kind of political class that wants to hold itself up above everybody else and make no mistake, there are lots of Republicans involved as well.

01:42:32.000 The Democrats are virtually completely beholden to this ideology at this point.

01:42:36.000 But there's a lot of Republicans who are in on the show as well that say the right things sometimes that are mostly ineffectual.

01:42:46.000 And so there's this thing that some people call it – I call it on Twitter the regime with a capital R that wants to create conditions under which it can persecute or at least intimidate its political enemies including with this Department of Justice letter.

01:43:00.000 It's not connected to January 6th for parents.

01:43:03.000 Showing up to school boards, pissed off that there's books in the school library, which we already saw what's in those books in the school library.

01:43:10.000 They want to create the ability to repress those people so they can create the conditions of repressive tolerance, which is a – it's basically like taking the whole political – I think I'm going to go.

01:43:38.000 And we're going to use it.

01:43:38.000 I remember on January 6, 2021, I guess, I was tweeting.

01:43:44.000 I was like, you do not know what's happening at the Capitol.

01:43:46.000 And I wasn't doing some false flag conspiracy thing.

01:43:48.000 I was like, you just don't have enough information.

01:43:49.000 Stop jumping to conclusions.

01:43:51.000 Hold up.

01:43:52.000 Wait.

01:43:53.000 And it's just media spin.

01:43:55.000 I wasn't doing some Alex Jones false flag thing.

01:43:58.000 I was like tweeting that and I'm watching how people are reacting.

01:44:01.000 And then if you follow the thread where I have that, I even say, you know, this is like the biggest gift in the world to the potential regime that wants to clamp down on its enemies, that wants to censor people who might be encouraging insurrection in the future, who might be giving people information that makes them,

01:44:18.000 you know, doubt the authority of the CDC or the government or, you know, whatever it happens to be, or the school board or the Department of Education or whoever.

01:44:27.000 Yeah.

01:44:27.000 I think we're good to go.

01:44:51.000 Like, oh, it just escaped.

01:44:53.000 No bad actors.

01:44:54.000 It was a natural thing. 1.00

01:44:56.000 They were totally stupid and naive. 1.00

01:44:58.000 It comes out. 1.00

01:44:58.000 It's in the world at some point, say, beginning of 2020. We have a million different paths we can follow. 1.00

01:45:03.000 We can start sending everybody vitamin D and ivermectin like Mexico just did. 0.99

01:45:08.000 Right?

01:45:08.000 Like they're sending people packets.

01:45:11.000 If you get sick, this is what you do.

01:45:13.000 There are lots of different paths we could have taken.

01:45:15.000 We could have done a lot of different...

01:45:16.000 Instead, we all locked down.

01:45:18.000 We all do these other things.

01:45:19.000 And in fact, we have this book come out in June by Klaus saying that we're doing the Great Reset using COVID-19 as the pretext.

01:45:25.000 Who did he write that book for?

01:45:28.000 Probably.

01:45:28.000 I mean, it's really badly written, so I'm assuming it's for his little Davos club members because it's really— Is it published with a legitimate publisher or is it self-published?

01:45:38.000 That's a good question.

01:45:39.000 I don't know.

01:45:40.000 I read the book, but I didn't look at that page.

01:45:43.000 That's a good question.

01:45:45.000 It's kind of a joke of a book.

01:45:47.000 It's just like a bunch of corporate jargon words.

01:45:49.000 Even I'm trained to see through jargon, and it's just a bunch of corporate gobbledygook.

01:45:54.000 So when it comes to false flags and it comes to some orchestrated agent provocateur tactics like when Governor Whitmer, when they were planning to kidnap her, how many different FBI agents were involved in that?

01:46:10.000 Like six or something, right?

01:46:11.000 Something crazy.

01:46:12.000 It was more than half of the people in the kidnap.

01:46:16.000 That's like that funny Spider-Man meme.

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:18.000 Where it's like feds pointing at each other.

01:46:20.000 You remember they had the thing over the summer, they had something to do.

01:46:23.000 There's supposed to be this conservative thing about the J6, like free the prisoners or something, and nobody showed up. 0.92

01:46:29.000 And then there's that famous picture of the feds all standing there in their sunglasses and whatever.

01:46:34.000 And it's like you read the story of what happened there, and the only person who got arrested at that event, whatever it was, was a fed by another fed.

01:46:41.000 And it's like, oh my god.

01:46:44.000 It's funny.

01:46:45.000 It's funny, but it's like what are they trying to do and why is it allowed?

01:46:48.000 This is what Kennedy talked about when he talked about like secret societies.

01:46:52.000 Yeah.

01:46:52.000 Well, it's allowed because there's no accountability.

01:46:55.000 And anybody who calls for accountability can be labeled under – like with a serious call for it, can be labeled under somebody who's a threat to democracy.

01:47:01.000 They can be labeled under somebody who's a potential insurrectionist or instigating an insurrection or inciting.

01:47:09.000 But the federal officers that are involved in this – What do you think they think they're doing?

01:47:13.000 I think the majority of them think they're just doing their job.

01:47:16.000 Right, but do they know what the endgame is?

01:47:19.000 What do they think their job is?

01:47:21.000 I don't know how you do that.

01:47:25.000 I mean, if you're pretending to be an insurrectionist and you're plotting some kidnapping of a governor or whatever you're trying to do... 1.00

01:47:34.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:47:35.000 So there is an answer to that. 1.00

01:47:37.000 And what it is is they think that some dude, say in whatever Michigan, is this lunatic who wants to kidnap the governor.

01:47:47.000 But he's not going to act until he gets kind of like ginned up, right?

01:47:51.000 And so they want to just kind of, A, be in the vicinity.

01:47:55.000 So that if something goes down, they can interact or intervene immediately.

01:47:58.000 And B, like, give them that little extra push over the edge.

01:48:02.000 Right.

01:48:03.000 Make them active.

01:48:04.000 Yeah.

01:48:04.000 So, but like, the law enforcement should not be doing that.

01:48:08.000 No.

01:48:08.000 Shouldn't be encouraging crime.

01:48:10.000 Yeah.

01:48:10.000 And so, why on earth?

01:48:12.000 I mean, maybe they just think that they're like, hot shit or something. 1.00

01:48:15.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:48:16.000 Is that like a firefighter starting fires thing?

01:48:19.000 It could be.

01:48:20.000 I know a dude who did that.

01:48:21.000 Well, I didn't know him.

01:48:21.000 He was a guy in my town where I grew up and I was a little kid.

01:48:24.000 Like, there was literally a crazy guy that did that there.

01:48:26.000 It's more common than it should be, but it does happen.

01:48:29.000 And this has happened before in terms of, like, people that were supposedly informants, people that were working with the FBI that wound up doing something.

01:48:38.000 Like, the Boston Bombers.

01:48:39.000 Weren't the Boston Bombers some, they were informants?

01:48:43.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:48:44.000 Something like that.

01:48:45.000 And then who's on the scene?

01:48:46.000 I don't know if you ever saw this.

01:48:47.000 The one that they interviewed, the medical professional in Boston.

01:48:50.000 Yes.

01:48:51.000 Leanna Nguyen.

01:48:52.000 Yes.

01:48:52.000 Who's like, I call her Minnie Mouse.

01:48:54.000 Well, Mouse, yeah.

01:48:55.000 Mouse.

01:48:56.000 And she was in front of a green screen, wasn't she?

01:48:58.000 Something like that.

01:48:59.000 And she said the weird- It looks super fake.

01:49:00.000 So it's like super fake.

01:49:01.000 She's like- And then it's like camera turn on and her face turns on and then she says this thing and it's like, oh yeah, there was way less carnage and damage than we were expecting.

01:49:10.000 It's like, than you were expecting?

01:49:12.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:49:13.000 But also if you do hear a bomb went off, you expect a lot of carnage.

01:49:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:17.000 There's ambiguity there.

01:49:18.000 She's an odd duck. 1.00

01:49:19.000 She's weird.

01:49:20.000 Well, what's weird, too, is that she's the one who's now the message of CNN that masks don't work.

01:49:26.000 Like, she's now cloth masks are nothing more than facial decorations. 0.52

01:49:30.000 And everyone's like, wait, what?

01:49:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:32.000 The fuck did she just say? 1.00

01:49:33.000 Well, you know what that means. 1.00

01:49:34.000 They're not going to stop Omicron or Delta.

01:49:36.000 Yeah.

01:49:37.000 P.S. If they're facial decorations, you know what they are?

01:49:39.000 What?

01:49:39.000 Speech.

01:49:40.000 Which means the First Amendment, they can't compel you to wear a facial decoration.

01:49:45.000 Have you ever seen the video where they're discussing this?

01:49:48.000 This is pre-pandemic.

01:49:49.000 I'm going to send this to you, Jamie, because it's pretty interesting.

01:49:52.000 They were discussing the mask thing.

01:49:58.000 That was going on during the 1918 pandemic, and they were talking about the ineffectiveness of mass. 0.97

01:50:11.000 It's really kind of wild when you watch it, because it's one of those things where you see it and you're like, holy shit, this is kind of... 0.96

01:50:18.000 I mean, it's essentially the same thing that we're dealing with now, but this was, you know, a hundred fucking years ago. 0.97

01:50:25.000 Let me try to find it here.

01:50:27.000 Somebody sent it to me.

01:50:28.000 It's going to take a few minutes.

01:50:30.000 I got, by the way, while you look, I got dinged off of Facebook or something at one point.

01:50:36.000 All I did was I took a video of Fauci saying don't wear a mask from the very beginning of the pandemic.

01:50:41.000 And I put it on there and the only words were Fauci and then whatever month it was, like March 2020 or April 2020. That was the only thing I said with it, and they locked me out and put a strike on my account for sharing misinformation.

01:50:55.000 It was literally just a video of Fauci saying it.

01:50:58.000 I was just saying this is what the man said at the time.

01:51:03.000 I had that very same video.

01:51:05.000 I put it up on Instagram.

01:51:07.000 Was it from like 60 Minutes or something?

01:51:09.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 Well, he's like, the facial masks, they're not going to work.

01:51:12.000 You're going to smudge something.

01:51:14.000 They're not enough to stop a virus.

01:51:20.000 Something about nanometers.

01:51:21.000 Yeah, he's an odd cat.

01:51:24.000 You know, I'm in the middle of this thing that's talking about his response to the AIDS epidemic and about the way he handled that, which is very similar in the fact that they suppressed... 0.68

01:51:37.000 Alternative treatments and early treatment options in favor of AZT. And they stopped all other studies in favor of AZT. And it turns out that AZT was actually killing people even quicker.

01:51:51.000 And that's the parallel to remdesivir or whatever it's called.

01:51:54.000 Yes.

01:51:54.000 It's like super shady.

01:51:56.000 Yeah, I'm trying to find this motherfucker. 1.00

01:51:58.000 I get so many goddamn messages. 1.00

01:52:01.000 I'm not going to find it. 0.99

01:52:02.000 Yeah.

01:52:04.000 See if you can find it, Jamie.

01:52:05.000 See if you can find a video of them discussing masks in 1918. Sorry, this is very boring to everybody,

01:52:21.000 but I think it's kind of important.

01:52:22.000 I'm trying to find it.

01:52:23.000 I can take my pants off.

01:52:24.000 No!

01:52:26.000 What did you do?

01:52:28.000 I searched for it.

01:52:29.000 I don't know what it looks like.

01:52:31.000 There's a black and white video.

01:52:33.000 Maybe that?

01:52:34.000 Of them talking about it.

01:52:35.000 Yeah, let's try that.

01:52:36.000 Try that.

01:52:38.000 April 3rd, 2020 is the date on that.

01:52:40.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:52:42.000 It looks like an article.

01:52:43.000 No video.

01:52:46.000 Hmm.

01:52:51.000 I hate when I don't save things.

01:52:53.000 Yeah, tell me about it.

01:52:54.000 I have too many of them.

01:52:55.000 I have too many.

01:52:56.000 Dude, it's like...

01:52:57.000 I'll find it.

01:52:58.000 I'll find it later.

01:52:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 So, yeah, the thing is, though, is, like, you are right.

01:53:03.000 This was all kind of played out.

01:53:05.000 They knew, you know, I've seen the papers before COVID broke out that they knew that...

01:53:11.000 Masks were, at best, very limited utility.

01:53:14.000 But is limited utility better than nothing?

01:53:17.000 I mean, this is my perspective on it.

01:53:19.000 It's like, if it just stops a little bit of transmission, if it stops a little bit of the viral load, if people get less sick than they would have gotten, if people were just openly breathing and coughing all over each other, is that better?

01:53:29.000 Maybe.

01:53:30.000 Because here's the thing.

01:53:31.000 I'm actually really glad you said this because I actually wanted to bring this up if we got a chance. 0.94

01:53:35.000 The problem we're seeing with so much of this, especially with the masks and kids, is this collapsing of everything to one damn variable. 0.67

01:53:42.000 Transmission. 0.93

01:53:42.000 That's the only variable that counts now. 0.93

01:53:44.000 We don't have to ask questions of like, well, what's it doing to kids' ability to speak and understand language?

01:53:51.000 What is it doing to their, like, rates of pneumonia from breathing back in or facial, like, acne or, you know, eye infections from breathing their own mouth bacteria back onto their face and being trapped in that?

01:54:05.000 What's it doing, like, what is it, how many, some absurd number of billions of masks floating in the ocean?

01:54:11.000 Yes, it's crazy.

01:54:12.000 There's a million other things going on, and if we just pay attention to one single variable, Does it stop transmission?

01:54:39.000 It is.

01:54:40.000 And it's funny because, you know, they're getting, if we go back to the ESG thing, they're getting points on their G for good governance by forcing people to wear the masks.

01:54:47.000 But they should be losing points in the environmental category, right? 0.96

01:54:51.000 But they're not because it's all like stakeholder bullshit. 0.55

01:54:55.000 They want to prioritize COVID is more important, just like all of a sudden COVID didn't matter when Black Lives Matter became more important as the S score goes up. 0.88

01:55:02.000 And you can see that this is, that's where you've got to worry about this small number of people who are largely unaccountable I think we're good to go.

01:55:24.000 There's a million things going on with kids and childhood development and everything.

01:55:28.000 Is it worth everybody wearing masks at the cost, the environmental outlay, the side effects of wearing masks?

01:55:37.000 Everybody's like, oh, I can't breathe in hypoxia.

01:55:39.000 There is a bit of suck it up buttercup to that. 0.88

01:55:41.000 But there's not suck it up buttercup to you're breathing back in your gross mouth stuff and getting pneumonia if you're, say, six years old. 0.98

01:55:49.000 Right? 0.92

01:55:50.000 And like everybody that's dealt with a six-year-old knows how that works.

01:55:52.000 They're like little snot machines.

01:55:54.000 Yeah.

01:55:54.000 I mean, that's like a running commentary throughout all of comedy, of parents' comedy for all of history is that they generate snot.

01:56:01.000 And they're breathing that back in.

01:56:03.000 They're touching their face all the time because they got the mask on and it's uncomfortable.

01:56:07.000 They're not – apparently all this stuff's coming out.

01:56:08.000 They're not learning to speak.

01:56:09.000 There's so many other variables that have to be considered.

01:56:11.000 And we see that in all of these things.

01:56:12.000 Right.

01:56:13.000 Okay, I found it.

01:56:14.000 Sorry.

01:56:15.000 No, it's cool.

01:56:16.000 Here, I got a...

01:56:19.000 I'm going to send it to you, Jamie.

01:56:21.000 It's on YouTube.

01:56:22.000 Sorry about that.

01:56:23.000 No, I filled the space.

01:56:25.000 You did.

01:56:25.000 You did it very well.

01:56:27.000 Here, I'll show you.

01:56:27.000 I heard I got a radio voice.

01:56:28.000 You do have a radio voice.

01:56:30.000 That's awesome.

01:56:30.000 It should be on radio, but then they would suppress you.

01:56:33.000 I just texted to you, Jamie.

01:56:37.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 So, you know, that's the question.

01:56:40.000 Is it worth it?

01:56:40.000 But if you're only looking at one thing, you don't know if it's worth it.

01:56:43.000 Right.

01:56:44.000 You're just like, oh, it reduces this one thing that's bad.

01:56:46.000 There's like a million things that are bad.

01:56:48.000 But it did in some ways calm people that everyone around you that has masks on is doing the right thing.

01:56:55.000 Mask, formation, psychosis.

01:56:57.000 But maybe, but also like for folks, let's listen to this.

01:57:01.000 It's a 50-minute video.

01:57:03.000 Dude, that's like an hour.

01:57:04.000 Is it really?

01:57:05.000 Yeah.

01:57:06.000 It's like a whole special on PBS about Spanish flu.

01:57:09.000 Oh, but I think I sent...

01:57:11.000 I thought it was...

01:57:12.000 Wasn't it timestamped?

01:57:14.000 Hold on a second.

01:57:19.000 Oh, that's the link to the full documentary.

01:57:21.000 I'm sorry.

01:57:21.000 That was not a good flu.

01:57:23.000 Yeah, I'm sorry, Jamie.

01:57:25.000 Here, I'll send you a link to the...

01:57:26.000 Oh, that's what it is, because someone sent me a video.

01:57:32.000 Saved the camera roll.

01:57:33.000 Okay, here.

01:57:34.000 Sorry.

01:57:37.000 Here's the actual video.

01:57:39.000 I'll text it to you right now.

01:57:43.000 Sorry.

01:57:44.000 So here's...

01:57:44.000 I sent it to you.

01:57:45.000 You should get it to me any second now.

01:57:47.000 Yeah, I legit think that, like, we've spent too much time caring about what makes lots of other people feel better, and we've put ourselves in a bad position as a result.

01:57:56.000 So I don't personally find...

01:57:58.000 There's some of that for sure.

01:57:59.000 I mean, the suck it up buttercup thing, you know, there's some of that.

01:58:04.000 But, okay, let's play this real quick.

01:58:07.000 The epidemic was now a national crisis.

01:58:12.000 Something had to be done.

01:58:15.000 In many places, officials rushed through laws requiring people to wear masks in public.

01:58:24.000 All of America, it seemed, put on masks.

01:58:29.000 At last, many thought, they were safe.

01:58:43.000 But masks didn't help.

01:58:45.000 They were thin and porous.

01:58:47.000 No serious restraint to tiny microbes.

01:58:50.000 It was like trying to keep out dust with chicken wire.

01:58:55.000 So this was obviously made before...

01:59:00.000 What happened there?

01:59:01.000 Something else I sent you?

01:59:03.000 Oh, it's another text I say.

01:59:05.000 The video, this documentary was made, obviously, before the pandemic.

01:59:11.000 Right.

01:59:11.000 You wouldn't make that video now.

01:59:14.000 No one would put that in a documentary.

01:59:16.000 They'd be like, edit that out.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, it'd be totally considered misinformation.

01:59:19.000 Right.

01:59:19.000 Because even though it's factual, I'm sure you've seen that doctor who blows vape smoke.

01:59:25.000 My favorite one that I've seen, I have seen the smoke one.

01:59:27.000 My favorite one that I've seen was a dude that put on like five of them and he went out and it was like ass cold with snow everywhere.

01:59:33.000 And you know, your breath.

01:59:34.000 And it's just like clouds of it all around his head as he breathes, coming through the mask, going out the sides.

01:59:39.000 And it's like...

01:59:40.000 Five of them.

01:59:41.000 Yeah, like five masks.

01:59:42.000 He puts on one and breathes and it's everywhere.

01:59:44.000 He puts on another one and it just like kind of gets worse the more he puts on.

01:59:46.000 If you can breathe, you breathe out.

01:59:48.000 If you breathe in, you breathe out.

01:59:50.000 If you breathe out, air is coming out and then those tiny little...

01:59:54.000 Aerosol part of this.

01:59:55.000 Yeah, they're gonna go out with it.

01:59:57.000 It's just like how much of it is being captured by the mask and is it enough where it justifies it?

02:00:04.000 The apparent answer is mostly probably not, but...

02:00:08.000 But there have been studies, supposedly.

02:00:10.000 Supposedly.

02:00:11.000 Like they're always talking about, studies have shown that masks and social distancing work.

02:00:15.000 I think social distancing works if you're like 50 feet apart.

02:00:18.000 Yeah, I think that works.

02:00:19.000 But I mean the six-foot thing, really?

02:00:22.000 Like, you and I right now are about, what is this?

02:00:24.000 How wide is this?

02:00:25.000 About five.

02:00:27.000 Okay, so this is six feet.

02:00:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:29.000 Would you be comfortable with someone that had fucking the plague and they were this close to you breathing? 0.99

02:00:34.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:00:34.000 In a closed room. 1.00

02:00:35.000 That's crazy.

02:00:36.000 Absolutely not.

02:00:37.000 The fact that we were told, like, have you ever seen that guy in Germany that walks around at these protests with a pole?

02:00:43.000 With a pole! 0.54

02:00:43.000 That's a six-foot pole, makes sure that people are apart from each other by six feet. 0.54

02:00:47.000 It's so lame.

02:00:48.000 It's like I keep wanting to, like, I want to see somebody take it like a bo staff and just, like, go full Jackie Chan on the guy or whatever.

02:00:54.000 It's just, well, it's one of the things where people are looking for something to comfort them, and the mask, in some ways, comforts people. 0.99

02:01:01.000 I put it on in the beginning of the pandemic, gladly, because whether it works or not, I was like, at least people know you're not an asshole. 0.99

02:01:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that. 0.99

02:01:11.000 I did the same thing.

02:01:12.000 I kind of looked back at it and kind of wish I didn't now. 1.00

02:01:14.000 I think we needed a little bit more reasonable asshole as opposed to unreasonable asshole. 0.99

02:01:18.000 The thing is, like, there's too many people who are falling in line. 1.00

02:01:21.000 You would just be attacked.

02:01:23.000 Well, I mean, I was in Tennessee, so not so much.

02:01:27.000 If I'd been in L.A. hanging out with you, we might have had a different story.

02:01:30.000 Because, like, Tennessee, by, like...

02:01:32.000 April, May, we're just like, yeah, screw this.

02:01:34.000 And then our governor came on TV, he's like, we recommend you wear masks.

02:01:38.000 And we're like, recommend, huh?

02:01:39.000 Okay.

02:01:39.000 You know, we're done.

02:01:40.000 See, England today dropped everything.

02:01:42.000 They dropped it, yeah. 0.51

02:01:42.000 But Boris got rid of it all because he knows he's politically screwed. 0.51

02:01:46.000 Yeah.

02:01:47.000 Well, he got caught partying while he's locking everybody down and 10 Downing and all this stuff.

02:01:51.000 He's been real weird ever since all that.

02:01:53.000 Where was he partying?

02:01:54.000 In 10 Downing Street, like during the height of the lockdown, like last Christmas, not last year, but the year before, like Christmas.

02:02:00.000 So many of them.

02:02:01.000 I know.

02:02:01.000 Mayor of San Francisco, she got busted, and then all of a sudden she's hard on crime now.

02:02:06.000 Yeah, right?

02:02:06.000 She's like, we gotta do something about this crime.

02:02:08.000 Like, what?

02:02:11.000 What are you saying?

02:02:12.000 All of a sudden. 1.00

02:02:13.000 You locked the fucking city down. 1.00

02:02:14.000 All of a sudden. 1.00

02:02:15.000 You were responsible for a lot of that shit, the tolerance of that shit. 1.00

02:02:18.000 See, I worry, though, not only, like, we talk about mass formation, psychosis, or whatever, but I worry... 1.00

02:02:25.000 That's a good point. 0.99

02:02:53.000 When it's like women's self-defense and you teach her just enough to get confident enough to get her ass beat, like that's not good, right? 0.98

02:03:01.000 And so it's literally part of the Dunning-Kruger effect where you get overconfident in how good you are and then you make bad decisions or whatever.

02:03:09.000 That's – I used to teach martial arts and I went to one of those women's self-defense courses where they would – They put someone in a giant foam outfit. 0.99

02:03:19.000 Yeah, a red man suit.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, and then the guy would try to attack a woman, and then the woman would say, no!

02:03:26.000 And she'd punch him in the face, and no! 0.99

02:03:28.000 And kick him in the nuts, and no! 1.00

02:03:29.000 And everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah! 1.00

02:03:31.000 And I'm sitting there going, man, you're setting these people up to get really fucking hurt. 1.00

02:03:37.000 Because a woman, especially a tiny woman, I mean, some women would fuck you up that can punch really hard. 1.00

02:03:44.000 True story. 1.00

02:03:44.000 It's real. 1.00

02:03:45.000 Some women can knock you the fuck out, but a lot of them can't. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Right. 0.99

02:03:49.000 And there's nothing you're going to be able to do. 0.99

02:03:51.000 They have, like, these little tiny hands. 0.81

02:03:52.000 There's not a damn thing you're going to be able to do. 0.95

02:03:54.000 Wait. 0.96

02:03:54.000 Hold up, Joe. 0.96

02:03:55.000 Are you one of those extremists that believes that men and women are not the same?

02:04:00.000 That's what I do.

02:04:01.000 Yes.

02:04:01.000 Man, woman, boy, girl, we're all the same.

02:04:03.000 You know where I saw that?

02:04:04.000 Where?

02:04:04.000 On a mural in Chinese in Beijing.

02:04:06.000 Ooh.

02:04:07.000 Jesus.

02:04:08.000 Well, not in a fight.

02:04:09.000 Not in a fight.

02:04:10.000 Turns out those bell curves of upper body strength don't overlap very much.

02:04:15.000 There's a hilarious article that was in, might have been like Pink News or one of those things, about Michael Phelps.

02:04:25.000 And Michael Phelps unironically saying that it's not fair if this Penn State transgender woman competes against that Michael Phelps ironically says it's not an even playing field.

02:04:42.000 Like, unironically, rather.

02:04:43.000 Unironically.

02:04:44.000 Because it's not even playing field because he's gifted.

02:04:47.000 Like, that's the idea.

02:04:48.000 It's like they're making a parallel between Michael Phelps being physically gifted, because he is physically gifted.

02:04:55.000 He's a bit of a, yeah, anomaly.

02:04:56.000 Kind of a physical freak.

02:04:57.000 Yeah.

02:04:57.000 But, you know, so it was...

02:04:59.000 LeBron James.

02:05:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:05:01.000 So basically in any sport at this point, all the hyper...

02:05:04.000 The elite of the elite.

02:05:04.000 Yeah, hyper athletes.

02:05:06.000 But you can't compare that to a transgender woman competing against females that's beating people by 38 seconds. 1.00

02:05:14.000 Yeah, it's like the entire length of the pool or something. 0.91

02:05:17.000 It's so crazy.

02:05:17.000 Something so absurd.

02:05:19.000 It's so absurd. 0.97

02:05:20.000 Did you see that she got beat by another transgender woman? 0.97

02:05:24.000 I did.

02:05:25.000 I laughed in my heart.

02:05:26.000 It's like, what is happening?

02:05:27.000 What is this?

02:05:29.000 It's like that, you know, you laugh and then you cry.

02:05:32.000 Well, women should be crying. 1.00

02:05:33.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:05:34.000 Women's sports are getting destroyed by transgender women in that regard. 1.00

02:05:38.000 Because social constructivism doesn't have any breaks is the problem. 1.00

02:05:41.000 It turns out all that gender construct shit, it doesn't have any breaks. 0.96

02:05:46.000 Here it says, none of Thomas' teammates have spoken on the record about their opinion on the matter. 0.98

02:05:50.000 Of course, they don't want to get attacked.

02:05:52.000 Though some have chosen to do so anonymously to voice their concern.

02:05:56.000 She compares herself to Jackie Robinson.

02:05:57.000 She said this is like the Jackie Robinson of Transports.

02:06:00.000 One of Thomas' teammates told the Washington Examiner last week.

02:06:03.000 She laughs about it and mocks the situation.

02:06:05.000 Instead of caring or showing that she cares about what she's doing, Or what she's doing to her teammates.

02:06:10.000 She's not sympathetic or empathetic at all because she's acting like a guy. 0.91

02:06:15.000 Yeah, and a narcissistic guy at that.

02:06:19.000 Can you imagine comparing yourself to Jackie Robinson?

02:06:23.000 Scroll up, though, so you can see the headline, because it's kind of crazy.

02:06:27.000 Michael Phelps.

02:06:28.000 No, that's great that he said that, because it does need to be a level playing field.

02:06:36.000 Biological females should be competing against biological females, and you are going to have outliers. 1.00

02:06:40.000 When you have biological females, you're going to have super athletes that are going to dominate. 1.00

02:06:44.000 The Michael Jordans of female athletes.

02:06:46.000 That is not what I was talking about.

02:06:49.000 What I was talking about was...

02:06:50.000 I'll find it here. 0.96

02:06:52.000 What they were saying is that he's silly for saying that. 0.96

02:06:56.000 Yeah, of course they are. 0.96

02:06:57.000 He doesn't understand anything or whatever.

02:07:02.000 Yeah, it's in pink news.

02:07:05.000 It says...

02:07:06.000 Here, I'll send you this, Jamie.

02:07:08.000 You can see it.

02:07:10.000 You got it?

02:07:12.000 Here, I just sent you the image of it.

02:07:15.000 It's just like...

02:07:16.000 There's a difference, kids.

02:07:17.000 There's a difference.

02:07:18.000 There's a big difference between an outlier who's also biologically male and a person who is in a completely different category.

02:07:25.000 There's a reason why we separate male sports versus female sports. 1.00

02:07:29.000 Even just within each.

02:07:31.000 Then we separate by weight and we separate by, in some sports, not like the top top, but by years of experience.

02:07:38.000 We used to sport fight some.

02:07:39.000 Brown belt class, black belt class.

02:07:42.000 And certainly weight classes.

02:07:43.000 Yeah, and certainly weight classes.

02:07:44.000 Because it turns out, it matters. 1.00

02:07:46.000 Fuck, man, it matters a lot. 1.00

02:07:47.000 It matters a lot. 1.00

02:07:48.000 Yeah, when everybody says, no, technique matters.

02:07:50.000 Okay, well, how about you get a Gordon Ryan who's also giant and with great technique?

02:07:54.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:07:55.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:07:55.000 Here, here it is. 1.00

02:07:57.000 I can't make it look better.

02:07:58.000 Oh, sorry.

02:07:59.000 Michael Forbes, like...

02:08:00.000 Without a hint of irony, Michael Phelps says sports should be even playing field.

02:08:05.000 Without a hint of irony.

02:08:07.000 So they're making fun of him. 1.00

02:08:09.000 He's so silly. 1.00

02:08:10.000 He's so silly. 1.00

02:08:11.000 He's so dumb. 1.00

02:08:12.000 He's so dumb. 1.00

02:08:14.000 Embrace the future. 1.00

02:08:15.000 And then probably everyone's a fed.

02:08:17.000 Yeah, right. 0.93

02:08:18.000 They're all feds, transgender feds. 1.00

02:08:21.000 It's like these guys that are the ones that are showing up at that rally and then there was only feds showing up wearing glasses.

02:08:27.000 Like, do they think like, what did I sign up for?

02:08:30.000 Or do they just do their job?

02:08:31.000 You know, the ones that I wondered about were the ones who were like the fake Tiki Torch guys outside of Yunkin's bus in Virginia.

02:08:37.000 I was like, what's that parody though?

02:08:39.000 Wasn't that a joke?

02:08:40.000 I don't think so.

02:08:41.000 I don't know.

02:08:42.000 I think not. 0.99

02:08:43.000 I thought they were like seriously trying to, you know, stage some some shit. 0.99

02:08:47.000 Oh, I thought that that was a parody. 0.98

02:08:49.000 It was like people on the other guy's campaign were tied to it.

02:08:54.000 This is, again, what I was talking about earlier with the internet, sleuthing out within 15 minutes.

02:08:57.000 It's like, oh, here's this chick's Facebook page. 1.00

02:09:00.000 Here's who she is. 1.00

02:09:01.000 Oh, she works for this blah, blah, blah, Democrat, this and that. 1.00

02:09:04.000 And it's like, holy crap. 0.99

02:09:05.000 Right. 0.99

02:09:06.000 Could you imagine standing there dressed with the button-down white shirt and a Trump hat and holding a tiki torch, just a putz, knowing you're a putz? 0.63

02:09:13.000 Lincoln Project says it's behind the group with Tiki Torches by Young and Campaign Buster.

02:09:18.000 Oh yeah, Lincoln Project threw themselves under the bus, probably to protect the campaign, in my opinion.

02:09:27.000 Because their name's already mud.

02:09:28.000 Like, they got all that pedophile stuff going on with them.

02:09:30.000 What? 0.95

02:09:31.000 Oh yeah, the Lincoln Project has all kinds of, like, they have their own, like, pedo scandal around them.

02:09:37.000 And what are you talking about?

02:09:38.000 99% sure.

02:09:39.000 I didn't know that.

02:09:39.000 Yeah, it's...

02:09:40.000 I've not heard that at all.

02:09:42.000 Yeah, it's not good.

02:09:43.000 We'd have to look it up.

02:09:44.000 But they got in a hell of a lot of trouble for it.

02:09:47.000 So there was someone on the campaign or the Lincoln Project that was involved in this?

02:09:52.000 With the Tiki Torch thing?

02:09:53.000 No, the pedophile stuff that you're talking about. 0.98

02:09:55.000 Yeah, I think it's one of the guys that was near the top, was doing some weird crap. 0.96

02:09:59.000 We'd have to look it up.

02:10:00.000 I don't want to get the details wrong, but I have a pretty decent memory.

02:10:05.000 Here it goes.

02:10:06.000 Lincoln Project founders try to deny they knew co-founder who sexually harassed boys.

02:10:12.000 Oh, great.

02:10:13.000 Oh, great.

02:10:15.000 How about that?

02:10:16.000 How about that?

02:10:17.000 There's a lot of that going on in the swamp. 0.99

02:10:20.000 How many fucking creeps there are out there? 0.99

02:10:22.000 Dude, I know. 1.00

02:10:23.000 You know?

02:10:25.000 Yeah. 0.71

02:10:27.000 It's friggin' crazy. 0.98

02:10:29.000 What are you... 0.96

02:10:31.000 I mean, how many are there?

02:10:32.000 Like, that's the thing that leads people to think that, like, Pizzagate is real.

02:10:36.000 Exactly.

02:10:37.000 That's exactly right.

02:10:38.000 Right?

02:10:39.000 Because there's so many of these, like, breadcrumbs.

02:10:42.000 Right.

02:10:42.000 And it's so easy to, like, follow, follow, follow, and then the next thing you know, you're in some ditch.

02:10:48.000 Right.

02:10:48.000 Right?

02:10:49.000 Like, you're showing up to a pizza place with a rifle.

02:10:53.000 Right.

02:10:54.000 To save the kids who aren't there.

02:10:55.000 And it's like...

02:10:59.000 I mean, so many of the things we talked about today all come back to that.

02:11:01.000 It's like, this is why...

02:11:03.000 Why don't you guys do this really crazy thing called Come Clean?

02:11:07.000 Just start telling us some truth instead and get your credibility back.

02:11:12.000 Who would do that?

02:11:13.000 You mean journalists?

02:11:14.000 Is that what you're saying?

02:11:15.000 Well, I mean...

02:11:17.000 Yeah, journalists, they're even doing it.

02:11:19.000 Like CNN and the CDC both are all of a sudden like, you know, well, there were a lot of deaths with COVID that weren't deaths of COVID. Isn't that wild when you hear that?

02:11:27.000 Like, what are you saying?

02:11:28.000 Yeah, right?

02:11:28.000 Like when Fauci's talking about children, there's a lot of children who are in the hospital with COVID. Yeah.

02:11:37.000 Not because of COVID. All of a sudden, yeah.

02:11:40.000 Well, I mean, if we're going to stick in Fedland, we're going to talk about this concept called a limited hangout.

02:11:48.000 You know what a limited hangout is?

02:12:04.000 And so all of a sudden, you know, basically their narrative has—what we're watching right now is a very exciting time, weird time, but an exciting time to be alive.

02:12:10.000 We're watching the narrative collapse.

02:12:12.000 Right.

02:12:13.000 And so they're trying to regain their credibility because CNN's viewership is in the toilet.

02:12:18.000 They've lost 90 percent.

02:12:21.000 Yeah.

02:12:22.000 Yeah, it's bad.

02:12:23.000 90% of their viewers.

02:12:24.000 Do you know how insane that is?

02:12:25.000 And they, like, own the airports and stuff.

02:12:27.000 Not anymore.

02:12:28.000 No, it's Fox or something now.

02:12:30.000 No, I don't know if they're even doing news at the airport.

02:12:32.000 Actually, I have no idea.

02:12:34.000 Yeah, right.

02:12:35.000 Everybody should be happy.

02:12:37.000 CNN is so doom and gloom. 0.99

02:12:39.000 That's the last thing you want to see before you get on a fucking metal tube that flies through the air. 0.99

02:12:42.000 That was the other thing we talked about last night, was the guy who came up with the word microaggression. 0.98

02:12:48.000 Yes.

02:12:48.000 So I looked this dude up.

02:12:49.000 Chester Pierce is his name.

02:12:51.000 Okay, so Chester Pierce came up with microaggressions in 1970. And what I told you was that he was somehow involved with MKUltra.

02:12:58.000 Yes.

02:12:58.000 Which is exciting, right?

02:12:59.000 Turns out he also was one of the chief consultants, I looked him up and read about him this morning, for Sesame Street when it started.

02:13:06.000 Oh! 0.60

02:13:07.000 So do you know the story where – what's his name?

02:13:12.000 Jolly.

02:13:13.000 Yeah, Jolly West.

02:13:15.000 Yeah, Jolly West.

02:13:16.000 With the elephant?

02:13:17.000 With the LSD and the elephant?

02:13:18.000 Yes.

02:13:19.000 So Chester Pierce was part of the elephant thing.

02:13:22.000 Explain the story.

02:13:23.000 Okay.

02:13:24.000 So they have this elephant, Tusca or something like that.

02:13:27.000 It was an elephant's name.

02:13:28.000 Literally, I read this this morning.

02:13:30.000 And they were trying to figure out something about how LSD does things and controllability and all this.

02:13:35.000 And for some reason they're really interested in elephants and don't know what it is.

02:13:37.000 They have no idea what dose LSD to give an elephant.

02:13:40.000 So they shoot it with a dart that has like, you know, just the human dose like scaled up.

02:13:45.000 Some, you know, LSD people will get it like some number of milligrams, like maybe hundreds of milligrams. 0.99

02:13:52.000 Of LSD into the elephant's ass and it goes nuts. 0.97

02:13:55.000 It's like rampaging around and laying on his side and his tongue turns blue and it's like seizures. 0.99

02:13:59.000 And they try to give it like antipsychotics and the elephant dies, right?

02:14:04.000 Not that long later.

02:14:05.000 And then they find out, turns out the elephants are super, super, super sensitive to LSD. And so they killed this elephant like screwing around with it.

02:14:12.000 And this part of like...

02:14:13.000 So Jolly West was like the MK Ultra guy doing all the mind control.

02:14:16.000 Well, Charles Pierce was like this guy and he was kind of in charge of...

02:14:20.000 I don't know what his deal with elephants was.

02:14:21.000 But he was in charge of this thing that was a like coalition of black psychiatrists. 0.68

02:14:26.000 And he was a Harvard psychiatry guy, but he was tied up with West, Jolly West.

02:14:31.000 And he talked about how, you know, the black man like really loves Jolly West because all this.

02:14:36.000 He had all these things with Jolly West.

02:14:37.000 He did the elephant thing with Jolly West.

02:14:38.000 I don't know how involved in MKUltra he was, but he was very interested in the way that TV in particular brainwashes black kids to feel inferior.

02:14:49.000 That was like a huge thing for him.

02:14:50.000 And so he wanted to try to combat that.

02:14:52.000 And as far as I can tell, the Sesame Street stuff is not all that nefarious, but it's a little weird that Snuffleupagus is on there now that they killed an elephant and then he makes Sesame Street with a woolly mammoth or whatever as one of the characters.

02:15:03.000 But a little weird.

02:15:04.000 But this guy who was literally like...

02:15:07.000 A black radical in the 60s who was also a Harvard psychiatrist and was tied up with all this like police and FBI and like CIA garbage with LSD and all the experiments he was doing and he was a longtime friend and collaborated with West, Jolly West. 0.72

02:15:23.000 This guy...

02:15:25.000 Is also the guy who names microaggressions, which is this weird little idea that if I say, like, hey, where are you from?

02:15:32.000 And you happen to be from, like, Mexico or something, that you have to be insulted now.

02:15:36.000 Yesterday, it turns out, was Tuesday.

02:15:38.000 And we're in Austin, so I got tacos on Taco Tuesday.

02:15:41.000 That's a microaggression, right?

02:15:43.000 Can you believe I did that?

02:15:45.000 Tacos on Taco Tuesday is a microaggression?

02:15:47.000 Yeah, because that's, like, stealing Mexican culture of tacos.

02:15:50.000 What if you buy them from Mexicans? 1.00

02:15:53.000 Well, that might be okay.

02:15:53.000 I don't know.

02:15:54.000 No, it's probably—no, I have no idea.

02:15:56.000 It's all made up.

02:15:57.000 So this concept, though, comes from this guy who also is like a consultant for Sesame Street and wants to use like psychological techniques to like do diversity on TV to—well, it looks like good reasons.

02:16:08.000 Like I'm not even going to crap on Sesame Street.

02:16:09.000 I'm not going to say that— Sesame Street was a CIA plot to like tear America apart.

02:16:12.000 It's nothing like that.

02:16:13.000 But this guy is an interesting character.

02:16:15.000 But he's the guy who comes up with microaggressions and he worked on MKUltra.

02:16:18.000 So it's like...

02:16:19.000 How did he define microaggressions?

02:16:21.000 So small slights that over time build up.

02:16:26.000 Like if you hear like a little thing about, you know, or kind of racially tinged comment or whatever...

02:16:30.000 It doesn't really bug you.

02:16:32.000 You can brush it off.

02:16:33.000 But if you hear them again and again and again and again and again.

02:16:35.000 So is a microaggression, like if you told an Asian, like, you sure are good at math, that's a microaggression. 0.96

02:16:41.000 Yes, that would be one.

02:16:42.000 That would definitely be one.

02:16:43.000 Because you're playing on a stereotype.

02:16:44.000 Stereotype, yeah.

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:45.000 Or even saying long time no see, because it's a direct transition. 1.00

02:16:48.000 What about if a black guy has a big dick? 1.00

02:16:51.000 Well, you know, he's probably not going to complain. 1.00

02:16:54.000 Everybody's happy to have a big dick. 0.99

02:16:56.000 That's like one of those stereotypes of people like, yeah, we like that one. 1.00

02:16:59.000 Yeah.

02:16:59.000 All the positive stereotypes.

02:17:02.000 Right. 1.00

02:17:03.000 Maybe the ones with the small dicks, they're going to be mad. 0.99

02:17:05.000 Like, why do you always assume? 0.99

02:17:06.000 Right.

02:17:06.000 Like, and those guys have got like some little man syndrome going on, like probably extra.

02:17:09.000 Right.

02:17:10.000 Imagine the expectations, right?

02:17:12.000 Yeah, that's disappointing.

02:17:13.000 The patriarchy or something.

02:17:14.000 Yeah, it's definitely something patriarchal.

02:17:16.000 Something cisgender or something. 0.75

02:17:18.000 Something bad.

02:17:19.000 Some ism is going on here.

02:17:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:17:20.000 There's a lot of wrongs.

02:17:21.000 A lot of wrongs.

02:17:22.000 A lot of wrongs.

02:17:23.000 Domestic violent extremists.

02:17:25.000 Let me ask you this because this is – I mean, I know you think about this probably more than anybody.

02:17:31.000 Your understanding of critical theory and your analysis of what's happening.

02:17:35.000 Where does this all go?

02:17:36.000 Like, do you think we can pull out of this?

02:17:39.000 Yeah, actually.

02:17:40.000 You do?

02:17:41.000 I do.

02:17:41.000 But we actually have to kind of culturally wake the fuck up.

02:17:46.000 We have to realize that it's not just guaranteed here, right?

02:17:52.000 It's not just, you know, the old saying is, you know, people think it couldn't happen here.

02:17:56.000 No, it could. 1.00

02:17:57.000 And it turns out that the critical theories, as it happens, are stupid. 1.00

02:18:02.000 They're, like, transparently dumb. 1.00

02:18:03.000 Everybody reads about, you know, critical race theory. 1.00

02:18:06.000 Like, it's so complicated.

02:18:07.000 I can't understand it.

02:18:07.000 I'm telling you.

02:18:08.000 It's as broad as a Great Lake, but, like, an inch deep.

02:18:12.000 Actually, I put this as the first thing.

02:18:14.000 This book isn't real, by the way.

02:18:15.000 The book is, but this copy's not.

02:18:18.000 But I do have...

02:18:18.000 What do you mean it's not real?

02:18:19.000 Well, I don't have it typeset fully yet.

02:18:22.000 So what's going on in that book?

02:18:23.000 The first chapter over and over and over again.

02:18:25.000 Come on.

02:18:25.000 No, really, because I haven't finished the typesetting yet.

02:18:27.000 It's in stages.

02:18:28.000 It comes out like on the 15th of February.

02:18:30.000 But that's like a mock book?

02:18:32.000 It's a mock book so that I could show that I have a book.

02:18:35.000 But I'm painfully honest, so I can't pretend.

02:18:39.000 That's good.

02:18:40.000 That's a good quality.

02:18:41.000 This really is the first chapter, though.

02:18:42.000 And the first thing I have is defining critical race theory, chapter one.

02:18:45.000 And I say critical race theory, noun.

02:18:47.000 Calling everything one wants to control racist until you control it.

02:18:50.000 That's all it comes down to.

02:18:51.000 Calling everything racist, sexist, or whatever until you control it.

02:18:55.000 But let me be the opposite of this.

02:18:58.000 Because the thing that people argue against is that what people are trying to do by denying critical race theory, they're denying the conversation about the wrongs of the past.

02:19:09.000 And they want to pretend that nothing happened.

02:19:11.000 They want to pretend that red line laws didn't happen, Jim Crow didn't happen, slavery didn't happen.

02:19:16.000 Or if it did, it's not worth discussing today.

02:19:19.000 Because what's going on today, we're on an even playing field.

02:19:23.000 We had a black president and everything's fine. 0.84

02:19:25.000 And they're saying, no, that's not the case.

02:19:27.000 What critical race theory is to them is discussing the wrongs of the past.

02:19:32.000 That's what they want you to believe.

02:19:34.000 But what it is, is it's discussing the wrongs of the past in a particular way.

02:19:40.000 Trevor Burrus And what is wrong with the way that they're discussing it?

02:19:42.000 Aaron Ross Powell Their assumption fundamentally is that – discussing it in a Marxist way is what's the problem.

02:19:48.000 In the Marxist view, there's a system that – the entire society operates under a system that dictates how the society operates.

02:19:56.000 It's in fact that you have the base for Marx.

02:19:59.000 Let me just do a little Marxism for you.

02:20:00.000 You have the base, the productive workers, the proletariat. 0.90

02:20:03.000 They make all the stuff.

02:20:05.000 And so they're the rightful inheritors to society because they make all the stuff.

02:20:08.000 Trevor Burrus And not be overthrown.

02:20:31.000 Like, no, people need religion, so they need somebody who understands God, so we need a minister, so I should have a job as a priest and you should come to church and tithe to me and pay me.

02:20:39.000 Or people need – the law needs to be worked out, so we need lawyers who are going to be able to help people settle disputes and keep it within the realm of the law, and we need law in the first place.

02:20:49.000 So now we need lawyers.

02:20:50.000 So there's these claims about why those jobs should exist and then why people like them should have them.

02:20:56.000 Well, I went to law school and worked really hard, so my merit got me there.

02:21:00.000 I worked so hard.

02:21:01.000 And what the Marxists say is it's all fake.

02:21:03.000 It's all a mythology created by the people in power to keep their power.

02:21:07.000 Okay?

02:21:09.000 And the belief is that until that is completely overthrown in revolution and the people on the bottom seize power through a period of dictatorship, literally he called it the dictatorship of the proletariat, that the system doesn't change.

02:21:22.000 So all these – in critical race theory, the ideology is white supremacy.

02:21:27.000 And the country was founded in white supremacy.

02:21:30.000 So it doesn't matter that Thomas Jefferson wrote, all men are created equals.

02:21:32.000 He held slaves and therefore he didn't believe it.

02:21:34.000 Even if you – but if, of course, you read Thomas Jefferson, you see him struggling with this.

02:21:38.000 Like he doesn't know what to do about it and he laments kicking it down the generations to some later time that landed on Lincoln.

02:21:45.000 But no, he created a system rooted in white supremacy that's for white benefit, etc.

02:21:50.000 And, of course, that is in the 18th century.

02:21:53.000 Right?

02:21:53.000 And for the Marxist, that never changes.

02:21:56.000 All the thing on top, that ideology, the whiteness that you have access to, all the white supremacists ever do is figure out how to hide the fact that they're justifying their illegitimate position better.

02:22:07.000 So you need a critical theory that can see – it's critical so it can see through those lies.

02:22:12.000 It understands that there's a structural nature to society that's produced by the interaction of the lower and the upper.

02:22:19.000 Matthew Feeney Except that the people who benefit from white supremacy have figured out ways to hide it better by,

02:22:46.000 say, letting some racial minorities succeed or by desegregating schools.

02:22:50.000 That was Derrick Bell, first critical race theorist, formally speaking.

02:22:53.000 His big thing was that desegregating schools was actually white people trying to … protect American interests against communists at the expense of black people who are now going to have to go to integrated schools where they're going to suffer racism and so on.

02:23:05.000 It's very pessimistic and cynical analysis.

02:23:07.000 But nothing – not abolition of slavery through the Civil War and all that blood and everything, which was in a sense a revolution, not the civil rights movement.

02:23:16.000 None of that actually changed racism except in how it manifests.

02:23:20.000 The ideology from the white supremacists just took a different form.

02:23:23.000 And in fact, there's a book – I can't remember the title of the book, Race, Class and Nation, Race, Nation, Class, something like this.

02:23:28.000 It's a French Marxist book I was reading a couple of weeks ago.

02:23:32.000 They actually say that – they say explicitly that racism has gotten worse as it's gone out of the biological and out of the institutional and into the culture where it's super diffuse and you can't find it.

02:23:43.000 It's all hidden.

02:23:44.000 Like it's gotten worse because it's gotten better?

02:23:47.000 Yes.

02:23:48.000 Yes.

02:23:49.000 Exactly.

02:23:50.000 They say it hasn't gotten better.

02:23:51.000 It's exactly the same, but it's more intense and it's invisible, except to people like them who have the special goggles that can see it.

02:23:59.000 So it's not whether or not we want to have conversations about the past.

02:24:02.000 It's how those conversations are going to proceed.

02:24:04.000 And as we have dealt with, some certain very intolerant people are going to say that every other possible way to discuss the past and the present of this country is racist.

02:24:14.000 Only critical race theory is anti-racist.

02:24:17.000 Everything else is racist.

02:24:18.000 That's literally their model.

02:24:19.000 Right?

02:24:20.000 And so it's not about whether we're going to discuss. 0.99

02:24:24.000 Yeah, there are some assholes who don't want to talk about it, who don't want to look at it. 0.98

02:24:27.000 I very rarely hear from messages like that. 0.99

02:24:30.000 I always hear, we're going to talk about our history warts and all. 0.99

02:24:33.000 I think there's a lot to learn from all that so we don't do that shit again. 0.99

02:24:37.000 Right? 0.99

02:24:37.000 And so no, it's a question of how we're going to do it. 0.99

02:24:40.000 And we have this intolerant ideology that sees only one way to do it.

02:24:43.000 But what was the definition I just read to you that I give as the first thing in my new book is that critical race theory is calling everything you want to control racist until you control it.

02:24:51.000 So now you want to have a conversation about race?

02:24:54.000 Every version except theirs is racist because they want to control the conversation about race.

02:24:59.000 And that's the problem.

02:25:01.000 It's not whether or not we're going to have these conversations.

02:25:03.000 It's not that there were issues and that there are probably things – there are definitely things that still hang over from those issues, redlining, et cetera.

02:25:10.000 The wealth gap is significant. 0.79

02:25:12.000 What happened following the civil rights with the Great Society and the decimation of the black family, that's freaking real. 0.91

02:25:18.000 It has serious consequences today in terms of all the things we're talking about.

02:25:21.000 It's all real.

02:25:22.000 Right?

02:25:23.000 But it's how that conversation has to proceed.

02:25:25.000 And if they're going to say every single way but our way is racist, all they're trying to do is use that label racist to control the conversation, put it on their terms.

02:25:34.000 But their terms are this crackpot Marxist thing that it keeps getting worse until when?

02:25:39.000 Until they're totally in power.

02:25:41.000 I feel like there's also an aspect to it where social media has illuminated these pathways for people to take, where they can become famous and prominent by addressing these concerns that people have about racism.

02:25:58.000 And calling everyone racist and looking at things in the most uncharitable light because they then get attention from that and then these arguments and these discussions and they make YouTube videos or they're on television shows or whatever they're doing.

02:26:14.000 And then it becomes their avenue to success by calling everything racist.

02:26:34.000 Do you know how easy it is to become a race grifter in those conditions?

02:26:38.000 All you have to do is say you have these feelings and nobody can question your feelings and you call like the idea that master bedrooms sounds like slave quarters versus master.

02:26:48.000 It turns out that's not it.

02:26:49.000 That was from Sears in like 1929. How funny was it when that one dude said that so many white people are pretending that they're people of color in order to get into university?

02:27:00.000 Ibram Kendi.

02:27:00.000 Yeah, he torpedoed himself a bit there, didn't he?

02:27:02.000 Explain that.

02:27:03.000 Yeah, so Ibram Kendi is like one of the patron saints of this stuff.

02:27:07.000 He wrote two really kind of influential books.

02:27:08.000 One is stamped from the beginning, which is what I was just saying.

02:27:11.000 America was stamped from the beginning in racism.

02:27:13.000 So it doesn't get out until they have all the power.

02:27:16.000 And I'll come back to Kendi on the power and the proletariat and the dictatorship thing. 0.84

02:27:20.000 That's super important. 0.99

02:27:22.000 But then he's going over all his colleges and there's this problem and he wants to like crap on white people. 0.99

02:27:27.000 He's got his other book, sorry, it's How to Be an Antiracist. 0.99

02:27:30.000 I forgot to say that.

02:27:31.000 And that's where he says the only – page 19, the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination and the only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.

02:27:38.000 So he's advocating for discrimination.

02:27:40.000 So then he looks at the colleges and you have this problem going on.

02:27:43.000 There are a lot of white kids that are pretending all of a sudden to be people of color, right? 0.79

02:27:48.000 They're pretending to be some other race and they've got their sad story or whatever.

02:27:51.000 And he's like wanting to say, well, this is just white people trying to cash in on...

02:27:56.000 They're trying to exploit the situations of people of color to their own advantage yet again. 0.99

02:28:01.000 That's like his analysis of everything.

02:28:02.000 He's called everything racist until you control it.

02:28:05.000 And it kind of blew up on him because what he's actually pointing out is there is a strong incentive structure to pretend that you're not white because the advantage lies somewhere else now under this ideology.

02:28:18.000 And so he ends up torpedoing his own thing.

02:28:20.000 Now, people screw up on Twitter all the time.

02:28:25.000 Believe you me, I'm all about screwing up on Twitter.

02:28:27.000 I know about this.

02:28:28.000 However, there are certain things you don't do when you screw up on Twitter. 1.00

02:28:31.000 The first thing you don't do is just freaking delete that shit. 0.99

02:28:34.000 Because then everybody's like, oh, he knew he was wrong. 0.99

02:28:36.000 So Kendi deletes it.

02:28:38.000 And then he comes back the next day and decides to do these tweet threads and just blow everybody up.

02:28:43.000 And so this guy, Jack Posobiec, He calls him out on all of this and then he starts going after Jack and that's a mistake.

02:28:49.000 Jack is really good at Twitter.

02:28:50.000 You don't go after people who are really good at Twitter and have like 1.3 million followers.

02:28:53.000 And so he ends up just torpedoing himself and he actually like vanished from the limelight for a little while until they brought him back out for Martin Luther King, you know, Critical Race Theory Day.

02:29:03.000 And he did his thing there where it's like we're going to interpret Martin Luther King in a particular way and white people shouldn't be invoking him, especially his, you know, most famous I Have a Dream speech.

02:29:15.000 But he vanished for a while because he torpedoed himself because he admitted that under the regime that they've created, that the advantage doesn't flow automatically to white people. 0.53

02:29:24.000 White privilege is no longer material in the systems they've created.

02:29:28.000 Because white people pretending to be a person of color, they get in college is easier. 0.83

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:35.000 Why else would you do it unless there was some incentive?

02:29:37.000 Right.

02:29:37.000 If your race literally didn't matter.

02:29:39.000 So by saying that, What he's done, where the fuck up is. 0.95

02:29:44.000 He's undercut his own theory. 0.95

02:29:45.000 Right.

02:29:45.000 Yeah.

02:29:46.000 He's like, no, white people have permanent privilege.

02:29:48.000 And then he's describing how white people have to pretend to be people of color to gain access to privileged locations in society. 0.52

02:29:55.000 It's like, whoops.

02:29:56.000 And poor guy.

02:29:57.000 He's not the brightest, Dr. Kendi.

02:30:00.000 But I want to talk about him for a second because I mentioned his books.

02:30:04.000 But in 2019, he got asked by Politico.

02:30:07.000 They have this series, how to, how to do whatever, right?

02:30:10.000 And so how do you fix inequality?

02:30:12.000 I kid you not.

02:30:13.000 It's one paragraph.

02:30:14.000 And he says the way we fix inequality is by instituting an anti-racist constitutional amendment.

02:30:20.000 And what will it do?

02:30:21.000 He says it's going to be based on two principles, that all the races are equal, and inequity, so differences in outcome on average by racial group, over a certain threshold will be By definition, racist.

02:30:34.000 Be chalked up to racism.

02:30:36.000 Racism was the cause of any outcomes that are different by group on average.

02:30:41.000 And so then he says, what's this constitutional amendment that enshrines those principles?

02:30:45.000 Which, by the way, he misspelled the word principles.

02:30:46.000 I could even show you.

02:30:47.000 He literally misspelled principles in his little one paragraph write-up.

02:30:51.000 He says, what's it going to do?

02:30:52.000 It's going to establish this thing called the Department of Anti-Racism, DOA. I'm not making that up either.

02:30:57.000 Come on, dude.

02:30:59.000 DOA. Dead on arrival, I... All right.

02:31:02.000 What's that going to do?

02:31:04.000 It's going to be able to – it's going to be first of all composed of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees, he tells us.

02:31:12.000 And if we ended up pulling this thing up, I'm telling you, I'm like quoting this thing from memory of Reddit so many times, like to public audiences.

02:31:18.000 And it's no – yeah, right here, look.

02:31:21.000 The amendment would make unconstitutional racial equity over a certain threshold as well as racist ideas by public officials.

02:31:27.000 It would establish and permanently fund the Department of Anti-Racism, comprised of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees.

02:31:33.000 Like, seriously, I'm like doing it word for word almost from memory.

02:31:36.000 The DOA would be responsible for pre-clearing all local, state, and federal public policies. 1.00

02:31:41.000 That's a fucking dictatorship. 0.99

02:31:43.000 Pre-clearing? 1.00

02:31:44.000 What does that even mean?

02:31:45.000 Pre-clearing all local, state, and federal public policies to ensure that they won't yield racial inequity.

02:31:52.000 Pre-clearing.

02:31:53.000 Yeah.

02:31:54.000 So if you want to have a local law in your, you know, Austin City Council or whatever, or Texas State...

02:32:06.000 I think we're going to put them into action if they get cleared,

02:32:24.000 pre-cleared, I guess.

02:32:26.000 Monitor those policies.

02:32:28.000 Investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces.

02:32:32.000 So now you're Google.

02:32:33.000 It's not even public policy.

02:32:34.000 And now your corporate policy is going to be subjected to this as well.

02:32:37.000 And to monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas.

02:32:41.000 The DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over and against policymakers and public officials who do not voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas.

02:32:50.000 That's a dictatorship.

02:32:51.000 … led by the anti-racist as he calls them who are formally trained experts on racism, which means critical race theorists.

02:32:58.000 That's Marxism 101, that you're going to have the proletariat, no political appointees because those would be the bourgeois people, and they're going to seize the means of production, establish a dictatorship of the proletariat that's now going to be in charge of clearing all policies on all levels to make sure that it yields economic equity.

02:33:17.000 But see, you got to unpack this because if you looked at it on the surface, who the hell would be against stopping racism?

02:33:25.000 Because that's what it's not about, right?

02:33:27.000 Like he even says in his book that it directly says that the remedy is discrimination.

02:33:33.000 So it depends on how you want to define racism, which means we're playing this weird game.

02:33:37.000 And the way that they want to define racism is this weird structural thing that the white people set up society for their own benefit.

02:33:44.000 It excludes everybody else.

02:33:46.000 And because they've done that, Their benefit is basically perpetual.

02:33:51.000 They never actually investigate it.

02:33:53.000 They need a critical theorist to tell them where they're actually being racist.

02:33:55.000 And so of course people don't want there to be racism.

02:33:58.000 But what they mean by racism is actually how society works because they believe it was created in white supremacy and therefore the entire – like I said before, Marxist structure of society – Marxist theory structure of society, the organizing principle of society is actually racism.

02:34:11.000 So racism is the – this is quoting from another book, which is Critical Race Theory, an introduction in case we wonder if it's about critical race theory.

02:34:19.000 Racism is the ordinary state of affairs in society, not an aberration from them.

02:34:24.000 It's so-called normal science.

02:34:25.000 That's from Richard Delgado from 2001. He wrote that book.

02:34:28.000 Same book where he actually says that critical race theorists find another liberal mainstay.

02:34:33.000 This is page 23. They call into question another liberal mainstay or highly suspicious.

02:34:39.000 Sorry, I want to get the wording right.

02:34:40.000 Critical race theorists are highly suspicious of another liberal mainstay, namely rights.

02:34:44.000 So they're highly suspicious of rights.

02:34:46.000 Highly suspicious of rights.

02:34:48.000 What does that mean?

02:34:49.000 Well, they say rights are said to be alienating because I could say a racial slur to you and then you could say, hey, you can't say that hate speech.

02:34:55.000 And I say free speech.

02:34:56.000 But what about rights like the right to bear arms?

02:34:58.000 Same thing.

02:35:00.000 Second Amendment is racist? 0.63

02:35:02.000 They would say definitely so, because more white people than black people own guns. 1.00

02:35:06.000 And if black people go to own guns, you say, oh, no, angry black person with a gun, he's probably a criminal, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

02:35:10.000 So, yeah, definitely. 0.99

02:35:11.000 Everything for them, the entire structure of society has racism baked into it.

02:35:16.000 If I put it in their terms, what critical race theory says is that racism was baked into the law from the beginning, stamped from the beginning, being the title of Kendi's other book.

02:35:25.000 And it doesn't come out without a revolution that installs this kind of guy in power.

02:35:31.000 That's the only solution.

02:35:33.000 Therefore, they are the only solution.

02:35:34.000 They are the only people who have what's called a critical consciousness of race who therefore understand race to actually work this way.

02:35:41.000 Have you debated anybody on this?

02:35:43.000 Kind of.

02:35:44.000 It's hard to debate them.

02:35:45.000 They don't like to debate.

02:35:46.000 I did a small debate in Fort Worth at the beginning of November.

02:35:51.000 With who?

02:35:52.000 Some YouTube guy.

02:35:54.000 I'm almost embarrassed to say his name.

02:35:55.000 His real name is Justin.

02:35:57.000 He goes by Jangles.

02:35:59.000 Jangles?

02:36:00.000 Like Mr. Bojangles?

02:36:01.000 Without the Bo part, just Jangles.

02:36:03.000 It's really strange.

02:36:05.000 That's his YouTube handle?

02:36:06.000 Yeah.

02:36:07.000 I had very short patience with this guy, so it's fun to watch.

02:36:10.000 I was pretty mad.

02:36:11.000 So I encourage people to watch it.

02:36:13.000 I went on Dr. Phil, and we kind of had a debate.

02:36:16.000 They had a professor.

02:36:18.000 Sean Harper from USC. He's a critical race theory guy.

02:36:21.000 I looked up his CV. He's got all this, like, he's not just, like, got some of the credentials for the academic stuff, but he's got, like, he lists all of the grants that he's worked under, and it's like, you know, critical race and education, this, blah, blah, blah, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, $750,000.

02:36:35.000 He's got millions from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and others to push this critical race theory.

02:36:40.000 And so this guy's, like, I guess he's kind of somehow in connection with Dr. Phil too.

02:36:45.000 He's like – they know each other.

02:36:47.000 He's been on the show before or something because at the beginning of the show, he's like, oh, it's good to see you again or whatever.

02:36:50.000 He's like, oh, it's good to be here.

02:36:52.000 So they know each other somehow.

02:36:54.000 But they brought him out first and then he dumps on a bunch of parents.

02:36:57.000 Like this is a story, man.

02:36:58.000 I'm still kind of pissed about this.

02:37:00.000 And I'm a pretty even-keeled guy.

02:37:01.000 So I got told I was going to go on Dr. Phil, have a debate, and there's going to be this professor.

02:37:05.000 And so he's their domain expert.

02:37:07.000 I'm the opposing side's anti-CRT domain expert.

02:37:11.000 So they bring the CRT guy out, and he, like, is by himself.

02:37:14.000 This is no debate.

02:37:15.000 He's just framing the whole thing.

02:37:16.000 And then they start bringing out dad.

02:37:19.000 They bring out this dad, Derek Wilburn.

02:37:20.000 He's just this guy from Colorado, three kids, whatever, conservative black dad.

02:37:25.000 And he's like, no, this is critical race theory, and he's saying all this stuff.

02:37:28.000 And then the professor just starts making fun of him.

02:37:30.000 Like, you don't know what you're talking about.

02:37:31.000 It's not even in schools.

02:37:32.000 That's not critical race theory.

02:37:33.000 Like, just belittling it, everything he says.

02:37:35.000 And I'm sitting in the back watching this because I'm not allowed out there yet.

02:37:38.000 Like, he's lying.

02:37:39.000 Oh, my God.

02:37:39.000 Or he doesn't know one or the other.

02:37:40.000 This is shameful.

02:37:41.000 And then they bring out some moms. 0.99

02:37:43.000 They bring out another expert on the CRT side first and then...

02:37:47.000 They double up on poor Derek.

02:37:49.000 And then they start bringing out some moms and it's like professors and professionals versus regular moms and dads.

02:37:55.000 And it's obviously stacked.

02:37:57.000 And they brought me out in like the last two minutes, like literally.

02:38:00.000 And I was so pissed off.

02:38:02.000 Dr. Phil asked me some question, and I was like, I didn't even answer it.

02:38:04.000 I just started saying, like, you guys are lying, you know, I just kind of went nuts.

02:38:08.000 It was super fun.

02:38:09.000 So I sort of, I mean, that kind of is a debate, but they didn't let me actually debate the guy.

02:38:14.000 Well, two minutes is certainly not a debate.

02:38:16.000 Did they respond to what you said?

02:38:18.000 No.

02:38:19.000 They didn't?

02:38:20.000 No.

02:38:20.000 So you said they were liars?

02:38:21.000 One person said, well, it's not taught in schools, like right at the very end.

02:38:25.000 Actually, that's not how it ended.

02:38:26.000 That's how they edited it to end.

02:38:27.000 The way it really ended was I had gone off about this one specific thing that the professor had laughed at Derek for.

02:38:34.000 So Derek had said, blah, blah, blah, started in 1989. And the professor was like...

02:38:38.000 1989, haha, how silly. 0.72

02:38:41.000 It's books from the 1970s.

02:38:43.000 And he was referring to Derrick Bell's Race, Racism and American Law from 1970. But it turns out the founding conference of critical race theory was in Madison, Wisconsin, in a convent off the campus of University of Wisconsin at Madison.

02:38:58.000 In 1989. And that's where Kimberly Crenshaw, who's one of the chief critical racers, named it critical race theory because it's critical theory using race and racial justice that employs critical theory.

02:39:11.000 That's what she said.

02:39:12.000 So is it semantics?

02:39:13.000 Like why is he defining it as a previous book?

02:39:18.000 You could say that it actually – the first real book of critical race theory was in the 1970s.

02:39:23.000 But he brings up 89. This guy has to be aware of the relevance of 1989. But he like – it's one thing to say, you know, actually it goes back a little further than that.

02:39:32.000 But yeah, that's a significant date.

02:39:33.000 But no, he made fun of the guy.

02:39:34.000 So anyway, the way the show – the recording really ended was I had went off and I was like, you know it was 1989. You know about the conference.

02:39:41.000 And I just did kind of the whole thing.

02:39:42.000 And I even added that Richard Delgado, who wrote the Critical Race here introduction, was at that meeting.

02:39:47.000 And he had this interview in like 97 or something and he describes it.

02:39:51.000 And he says, you know, we're in a convent.

02:39:54.000 He says there's an austere room with crucifixes here and there on the wall.

02:39:59.000 And then he puts in – he dashes off.

02:40:01.000 He adds a kind of parenthetical comment.

02:40:03.000 He says there's an odd setting for a bunch of Marxists.

02:40:05.000 And like that's the founding conference.

02:40:08.000 That's one of the guys at the founding conference of critical race theory describing the founding conference of critical race theory.

02:40:12.000 So I go through this whole thing.

02:40:13.000 Hold up.

02:40:13.000 But did you ask why they only brought you out in the last two minutes and why they Wasted all this time.

02:40:19.000 That was definitely the opportunity to ask such a question maybe of the producer afterwards could have come up.

02:40:24.000 But he seemed really happy.

02:40:25.000 He was happy in what way?

02:40:27.000 He was like, I kept getting told by the people who work there.

02:40:30.000 I probably end up getting half of them fired now. 0.85

02:40:32.000 I got told by a bunch of people later, I'm so glad you got to come out and actually say something about this.

02:40:36.000 We love what you have to say about it.

02:40:38.000 And the producer was all like, yeah, so great.

02:40:41.000 What you did was so great.

02:40:42.000 It's going to be great TV. So they liked that you did that or did they like that there was an argument?

02:40:46.000 I don't know.

02:40:47.000 They were happy.

02:40:49.000 The problem is when they have those television shows, what they really like is conflict.

02:40:52.000 Yeah, of course.

02:40:53.000 They don't necessarily like that you had a poignant...

02:40:56.000 Well, they came back into my dressing room kind of one by one and told me, you know, secretly I listen to your podcast and agree with most of what you say.

02:41:03.000 So I think there's a little bit of both.

02:41:04.000 Secretly is not good.

02:41:05.000 What?

02:41:06.000 Los Angeles. 1.00

02:41:07.000 I know, but it's fucking dumb. 1.00

02:41:08.000 I'm sick of it. 0.99

02:41:09.000 But why do they have these kind of conversations where they have a bunch of people who are professionals at discussing these topics gang up on someone who's a parent?

02:41:19.000 Well, you know why?

02:41:20.000 Because it...

02:41:21.000 It sets the narrative control.

02:41:23.000 They get to frame the narrative in a certain way.

02:41:24.000 Why would Dr. Phil want to do that?

02:41:27.000 It doesn't even make sense.

02:41:28.000 I mean, I don't know why Dr. Phil...

02:41:29.000 I don't know his motivations.

02:41:30.000 I didn't even speak with the guy.

02:41:31.000 It's probably his producers.

02:41:32.000 Yeah.

02:41:32.000 Or, I mean, he's under the Oprah umbrella.

02:41:34.000 So, you know, and Oprah's promoted stuff like Critical race theory ideas for the last little while.

02:41:39.000 And when she's done that, why do you think she's doing that?

02:41:42.000 She's probably thinking that this is a good thing because we're addressing racism.

02:41:45.000 Yeah, because a lot of people have been totally plausible that she just thinks this is a good thing and got swept up.

02:41:49.000 And I don't know that Oprah Winfrey is a Marxist or anything like that.

02:41:52.000 I'm not saying anything like that.

02:41:54.000 I don't know, but the framing was clear.

02:41:56.000 Just to finish the story, the last word, though, I bust this guy from 1989, and Derek, actually being a funny dude, turns to Dr. Phil and he points and he's like, I told you it was 1989. You know, it's a ha-ha, everybody laughs.

02:42:05.000 But they edited it to where the last word apparently came from one of them, saying, but that's not even taught in schools, which is false.

02:42:14.000 They're not teaching...

02:42:14.000 Why would they do that?

02:42:15.000 Why would they edit it that way?

02:42:17.000 I don't know.

02:42:18.000 Probably to try to make me look crazy.

02:42:20.000 I like Dr. Phil.

02:42:21.000 He's a great guy.

02:42:21.000 He's been on my podcast before.

02:42:22.000 He squeezed my shoulder.

02:42:23.000 He's all right.

02:42:25.000 Because he stuck me in the audience.

02:42:26.000 He squeezed your shoulders?

02:42:27.000 So as he walked by, he put his hand on my shoulder and squeezed it or whatever.

02:42:30.000 That makes him alright?

02:42:31.000 Well, he's nice enough for the circumstance.

02:42:33.000 I don't know.

02:42:33.000 He might not be alright.

02:42:34.000 He's a good guy.

02:42:35.000 He was a guest on the show and very good friends with his son.

02:42:40.000 So there you go.

02:42:41.000 I'm right off of yours.

02:42:42.000 I think shows like that are terrible.

02:42:45.000 I do too.

02:42:46.000 Not that they're terrible always, but they're terrible for discussing any complex issue that you need to have people say.

02:42:54.000 It needs to be a volley, like a tennis game. 0.91

02:42:57.000 Like a formal debate even.

02:42:59.000 Well, at least a conversation.

02:43:01.000 Yeah.

02:43:01.000 So it would have been cool.

02:43:02.000 The time constraints of those formats, they don't lend themselves to discussing complex issues.

02:43:09.000 Correct.

02:43:10.000 If they would have brought me and him out, like him first, fine, whatever, and then me afterwards to kind of discuss and respond and then start bringing parents out, it would have been a very different structure to the show, a very different mood for me.

02:43:20.000 But I can see why they did it the way they did it because it incites conflict.

02:43:23.000 Yeah.

02:43:23.000 And that's what gets ratings.

02:43:25.000 Well, I got them some ratings.

02:43:26.000 To have parents there and...

02:43:27.000 Well, I mean, if you were at the last two minutes, you probably didn't, honestly.

02:43:31.000 Well, I don't know.

02:43:32.000 Because most people don't make it to the last two minutes.

02:43:34.000 That's true.

02:43:35.000 Those kind of shows, they're very top-heavy, just like podcasts are.

02:43:38.000 That's because if you watch them, it's like...

02:43:41.000 Well, any shows.

02:43:42.000 Most people aren't there to the very end.

02:43:44.000 Like, if you watch any show, whether it's The Tonight Show or fucking Jimmy Kimmel, the vast majority of people are watching in the beginning, and they tail off. 0.82

02:43:53.000 They tail off, yeah. 0.97

02:43:53.000 People get bored. 0.97

02:43:54.000 We have developed an entire culture that has a short attention span.

02:43:58.000 Yeah, tell me about it.

02:43:58.000 So you have a complex issue like discussing curriculums in schools that do or don't promote certain theories.

02:44:06.000 Right. 0.98

02:44:07.000 You need people to fucking sit down and discuss it. 0.98

02:44:10.000 Yeah, long form. 0.99

02:44:11.000 Yeah, long form.

02:44:12.000 And if you got one of those guys on your podcast, then it would be interesting.

02:44:18.000 That would be interesting, yeah.

02:44:19.000 Have you reached out to any of those people?

02:44:20.000 I don't interview people of mine, so I haven't reached out to anybody.

02:44:23.000 I'd be willing to.

02:44:24.000 Yeah, you certainly should.

02:44:26.000 Yeah, I've seen lots of people try to get these things set up.

02:44:30.000 I had some friends who concocted this scheme where people would give money and then like it'd build up a pot and get donated either to the person participating or to charity, whatever.

02:44:40.000 If they participated to kind of like leverage debates.

02:44:43.000 Does that work?

02:44:44.000 For normal people, but when they've tried to get like Robin DiAngelo white White fragility lady. 0.86

02:44:51.000 Or Ibram Kendi or whatever.

02:44:52.000 No, they just won't come.

02:44:55.000 Even if you exceed the amount that their normal fee is.

02:44:58.000 Well, it seems like they've got a thing going on and they don't want to fuck up this thing that they've got going on.

02:45:03.000 I think that's correct.

02:45:04.000 They've got it completely locked in where they're generating a lot of income by speaking.

02:45:09.000 Right.

02:45:09.000 And they have a justification in-house inside their theory that says that, you know, if they sat down to talk to you, you're already on, like, the bad list, right?

02:45:18.000 I'm on the bad list?

02:45:19.000 Well, you're on some bad lists, right?

02:45:21.000 You're a right-wing extremist now, according to everybody.

02:45:25.000 Never voted right-wing in my life.

02:45:26.000 I know, right?

02:45:27.000 I didn't until the last election.

02:45:29.000 Did you vote for Trump?

02:45:30.000 Yeah.

02:45:31.000 I said I was going to, and I had to go on TV in multiple countries to explain myself.

02:45:35.000 And why did you decide to vote for Trump?

02:45:37.000 A variety of reasons.

02:45:39.000 One was, I don't perceive Biden as being a radical. 0.63

02:45:43.000 I perceive Biden as being corrupt.

02:45:44.000 And so I figured he was going to get pushed around by his radical party and other forces, like possibly weird stuff with China, weird stuff with Ukraine or Russia or whoever might be involved, but China, certainly.

02:45:56.000 And what makes you think that Biden is corrupt?

02:45:58.000 That he's always been corrupt? 0.58

02:46:00.000 That's crazy.

02:46:01.000 Don't people change?

02:46:03.000 Well, he's changed a little in the last few years.

02:46:06.000 Well, he's lost his ability to count.

02:46:08.000 Yeah.

02:46:08.000 He doesn't speak very well anymore.

02:46:11.000 Yeah.

02:46:11.000 Actually, when I got picked up from the airport on my way to the hotel when you flew me in here, the guy that drove me, the driver, was like, yeah, I drove Joe Biden around here a few years ago.

02:46:22.000 We got talking about that somehow.

02:46:23.000 And he's like, he kept asking me.

02:46:25.000 Come on, man!

02:46:26.000 He's like, what city are we in?

02:46:28.000 What city are we in?

02:46:29.000 And that was like four or five years ago.

02:46:30.000 Whoa.

02:46:31.000 Yeah.

02:46:31.000 And it's like, Austin, Texas.

02:46:33.000 Yeah, it could not be true. 1.00

02:46:35.000 That guy could be just a fucking crazy Trump supporter. 1.00

02:46:37.000 You never know. 1.00

02:46:38.000 They're all nuts, you know? 1.00

02:46:39.000 So I figured he was corrupt. 0.98

02:46:40.000 I figured the media, which was holding Trump to account for everything he did and millions of things he didn't even do or say, was not going to treat Biden similarly.

02:46:50.000 I figured they were going to run cover for him.

02:46:51.000 And I fundamentally believe that it's crucial to a democracy that the – or a republic really – that the press is holding power to account.

02:47:02.000 The press shouldn't be the megaphone of the administration.

02:47:06.000 The press should be asking them tough questions.

02:47:09.000 And I just perceived that's not going to happen.

02:47:11.000 And then they were writing articles which have not come true yet, but it told me what direction they were thinking that said things like we should – if we don't get our way with the Supreme Court, we should start ignoring the Supreme Court.

02:47:22.000 Maybe we shouldn't actually have a Supreme Court. 0.96

02:47:25.000 Maybe we should pack the Supreme Court.

02:47:26.000 Maybe we don't need a constitution anymore.

02:47:28.000 These were in New Republic-level leftist magazines.

02:47:33.000 This isn't like Joe Biden came out and said that.

02:47:35.000 But I watched Kamala support bailing out the Black Lives Matter rioters. 0.93

02:47:43.000 Yeah.

02:47:46.000 Yeah.

02:47:59.000 You know, rock on the train track that might derail this thing before it goes over.

02:48:04.000 Well, people hated Trump so badly that they pretended that Biden was a good candidate.

02:48:08.000 Yeah, right.

02:48:09.000 Intelligent people, they developed this cognitive dissonance where they were allowed to pretend openly and publicly that Biden was a good candidate.

02:48:19.000 And now that you're seeing who he is and how compromised he is, not just compromised mentally, but compromised in terms of like his ties to businesses and the way they're running things.

02:48:31.000 Whatever's going on with his son.

02:48:32.000 I mean, that was another ingredient too, right?

02:48:35.000 The Biden laptop, Hunter Biden laptop disappearing, like the media deciding this is something we're not going to talk about. 0.98

02:48:40.000 I was like, oh shit, the media is not going to play this right if he's president. 0.97

02:48:44.000 No, they didn't play it at all. 0.99

02:48:46.000 It was really creepy because it's a real issue.

02:48:49.000 And they had decided that the game had gone far enough where you couldn't have an additional Democratic candidate.

02:48:56.000 That was the only one.

02:48:57.000 And so because of that, they were willing to ignore truth.

02:49:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:49:02.000 That's scary.

02:49:03.000 It's scary because that's how – I mean, once you get people to accept that, now we're in a cult.

02:49:09.000 Right.

02:49:09.000 And so that's why I voted for Trump.

02:49:11.000 I was like, no, I'm not going along with that.

02:49:14.000 And if I have to bite the bullet to vote for Trump, now I kind of think the guy's hilarious.

02:49:17.000 So I'm like, eh, all right.

02:49:19.000 I think he's pretty funny.

02:49:19.000 Did you hang out with him?

02:49:20.000 I have not hung out with him.

02:49:21.000 Did you go somewhere where he was?

02:49:23.000 I was at Mar-a-Lago.

02:49:24.000 It was like 35-40 feet away.

02:49:26.000 No, it was a fundraiser.

02:49:27.000 What's he like to be?

02:49:27.000 Oh, I met him.

02:49:28.000 What am I saying?

02:49:29.000 I met him at the UFC. I was actually working.

02:49:33.000 I was sitting there and he came over and shook my hand.

02:49:35.000 By the way, regular size hands.

02:49:38.000 Regular sized hands.

02:49:39.000 And I have big hands, so it's nuts.

02:49:42.000 It's one of those weird things where they're just like trying to pretend.

02:49:45.000 Yeah, of course.

02:49:46.000 That he's got like these little T-Rex arms and little tiny hands.

02:49:50.000 No, normal hands.

02:49:51.000 But I think he just wears a big suit because he's overweight.

02:49:55.000 Yeah.

02:49:55.000 And when you look at his hands and they're like this.

02:49:58.000 Well, he's trimming down now.

02:49:59.000 Is he?

02:49:59.000 Yeah, he's apparently trimmed down quite a bit.

02:50:02.000 Let me see some video.

02:50:03.000 Like there's some picture.

02:50:04.000 I don't know.

02:50:06.000 Is this probably you, a Trump supporter?

02:50:06.000 What's going on?

02:50:07.000 Is this propaganda?

02:50:08.000 Yeah, MAGA. You went to Mar-a-Lago.

02:50:10.000 I did go to Mar-a-Lago.

02:50:11.000 Yeah, you were hanging out with them.

02:50:13.000 I get it.

02:50:13.000 And you know, my deep old-school left sensibilities, right?

02:50:17.000 This is the only place on earth I've ever walked into and looked around, and the first thing I thought was, this place shouldn't exist.

02:50:23.000 Really?

02:50:23.000 It's so opulent.

02:50:25.000 It's gorgeous.

02:50:26.000 If there's five stars, five star, it's like seven stars.

02:50:30.000 Is it?

02:50:30.000 It's crazy, crazy nice.

02:50:32.000 Can anybody go there?

02:50:33.000 What is Mar-a-Lago?

02:50:34.000 I don't even know what it is.

02:50:35.000 It's like his house, but it's also an event.

02:50:37.000 Yeah, a club event place.

02:50:39.000 It's his house?

02:50:40.000 I mean, he has quarters there, yeah.

02:50:42.000 Quarters.

02:50:43.000 Right, but isn't it like a country club or something?

02:50:45.000 What is it?

02:50:46.000 I don't know.

02:50:46.000 It's like a thing that I've never questioned.

02:50:48.000 I went there once.

02:50:49.000 It's like Mar-a-Lago, Trump's place.

02:50:50.000 Yeah.

02:50:51.000 But then I'm like, well, why are so many people there?

02:50:52.000 Like, what is that?

02:50:54.000 It's the Winter White House, he said, remember?

02:50:56.000 Right.

02:50:57.000 And so you went to the Winter White House.

02:50:59.000 Yeah, it was fun.

02:51:00.000 So he's got his own little spot.

02:51:01.000 Yeah.

02:51:02.000 It was a fundraiser for Ken Paxton.

02:51:05.000 Who's that?

02:51:06.000 Near Texas.

02:51:08.000 He is your Attorney General.

02:51:10.000 Texas Attorney General?

02:51:11.000 Yeah.

02:51:12.000 Here we go.

02:51:14.000 Trump's viral pic showing remarkable weight loss slammed as fake as hell.

02:51:19.000 So that's the pic on the right?

02:51:22.000 Is it fake?

02:51:24.000 Who knows?

02:51:25.000 Who knows?

02:51:26.000 Maybe he lost some weight.

02:51:28.000 I mean, he was a good 30-40 feet away from me.

02:51:31.000 What are you reading this from?

02:51:32.000 I'm looking at why they're saying it's fake.

02:51:34.000 No, I know, but what is the website?

02:51:38.000 I just typed in weight loss.

02:51:40.000 There were some pictures.

02:51:41.000 This is an older story from September.

02:51:43.000 15 pounds is what maybe it was.

02:51:46.000 He's really orange there.

02:51:48.000 Both of them, he's orange. 0.96

02:51:49.000 Yeah, but the one on the left is ridiculous. 0.99

02:51:51.000 He's a little ridiculously orange. 0.97

02:51:52.000 Is that makeup? 0.56

02:51:53.000 What is that?

02:51:54.000 I don't know.

02:51:55.000 I don't know him that well.

02:51:55.000 So is the idea that they do that just to make him look healthier?

02:51:58.000 Because if he was super pale and looked like that, he would look like shit? 1.00

02:52:01.000 Maybe. 1.00

02:52:02.000 I have no idea.

02:52:03.000 The one on the right, if that is real, boy, not only does he look like he lost weight, like his skin's developed elasticity that it didn't possess.

02:52:13.000 Yeah, maybe a little fake then. 0.99

02:52:14.000 It looks fake as fuck because... 0.99

02:52:15.000 I saw some other pictures, like body shots. 0.99

02:52:17.000 He looked like he lost some weight, like in his golf clothes or whatever.

02:52:20.000 Let me see this.

02:52:21.000 But this is, like, many months ago.

02:52:23.000 Yeah, I just typed in Trump losing weight and wasn't getting a ton of recent, like, October 11th. 0.96

02:52:28.000 That's because he got banned from Twitter, so he doesn't sit on his phone all damn day.

02:52:32.000 Yeah, it's about the guy who was, like, making money being an impersonator, lost 45 pounds after he stopped doing it.

02:52:39.000 Oh, wow.

02:52:40.000 Okay.

02:52:42.000 So, M-E-A-www.com.

02:52:47.000 What is that?

02:52:48.000 It's just some weird way.

02:52:49.000 Sure.

02:52:49.000 So let's go over images.

02:52:51.000 Trump losing weight.

02:52:52.000 This is going to be wild.

02:52:54.000 But you saw him at Mar-a-Lago.

02:52:56.000 Did he look thin?

02:52:57.000 How long ago was this?

02:52:58.000 It was beginning of December.

02:53:01.000 But there was a video of him talking just like a couple of days ago.

02:53:07.000 Where he was talking about Biden and making fun of Biden, he looked like exactly the same.

02:53:13.000 Maybe he's not losing weight.

02:53:14.000 Trump recent speech.

02:53:16.000 Just Google that.

02:53:17.000 Trump recent speech.

02:53:17.000 Because I looked at him, he looked exactly the same.

02:53:20.000 When I met him, he was not thin.

02:53:21.000 No.

02:53:22.000 He certainly wasn't.

02:53:23.000 That was quite a few months ago.

02:53:24.000 He was not thin when he was in office, by any means.

02:53:27.000 No, but I mean, when I saw him, again, that was quite a few months ago.

02:53:30.000 He came over, said hello, you do a tremendous job, you both do a tremendous, tremendous job.

02:53:37.000 Daniel Cormier, former UFC light heavyweight and heavyweight champion, he's like, I would not want to fight this man.

02:53:43.000 That's not looking thin.

02:53:44.000 That is not thin at all.

02:53:45.000 That was recently.

02:53:46.000 Three days ago it said.

02:53:47.000 Three days ago.

02:53:48.000 He's got to do some jumping jacks.

02:53:49.000 That's not working.

02:53:50.000 That's fat.

02:53:51.000 So that photo was fake. 0.99

02:53:53.000 It was hilarious that he put all those blacks for Trump behind him with white shirts. 0.95

02:53:57.000 That is hilarious. 0.99

02:53:59.000 Fat is a new thing.

02:54:00.000 Come on.

02:54:02.000 Is that set up or was that set up? 1.00

02:54:04.000 I mean, this is wild shit, man. 0.99

02:54:06.000 You saw that picture that was going around the other day, right, with the fat woman and it's supposed to be like the new face of fitness or something? 1.00

02:54:12.000 Yes, I did.

02:54:12.000 That kills me.

02:54:13.000 I hate that.

02:54:14.000 Fat studies, body positivity.

02:54:15.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:54:16.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

02:54:16.000 It's so bad for people. 1.00

02:54:18.000 And in the middle of COVID where we know.

02:54:20.000 Yes.

02:54:20.000 Like it does something with your fat cells and makes you die or whatever.

02:54:23.000 Right.

02:54:23.000 It's one of the comorbidities.

02:54:25.000 It's like, come on.

02:54:26.000 It's one of the biggest comorbidities.

02:54:27.000 Yeah, seriously.

02:54:28.000 It's so strange that people are just accepting that.

02:54:32.000 But no, I didn't meet Trump yet, so it might be coming.

02:54:35.000 I got another one.

02:54:36.000 I got another image that's hilarious.

02:54:38.000 It's another one of those fat things where someone was saying that in order to dismantle fat phobia, we have to destroy Western civilization.

02:54:46.000 Right.

02:54:47.000 That's what I'm telling you, dude.

02:54:48.000 Same thing.

02:54:49.000 Call everything fatphobic that you want to control until you control it.

02:54:53.000 It's the same thing.

02:54:54.000 And the only remedy is to destroy the existing civilization. 0.84

02:54:58.000 And then you've got Klaus Schwab over here saying, yes, destroy it, and we're going to move in our new freaking reset system. 0.63

02:55:03.000 I'm telling you, that's what's going on.

02:55:04.000 I'll just send it to you, Jamie.

02:55:06.000 So do you think that this is – but here's my thing. 0.97

02:55:09.000 I'm always hesitant to believe that there's some sort of a grand plan because the government is so incompetent and so inept. 0.98

02:55:17.000 Look at this. 0.97

02:55:17.000 To end fatphobia, we need to dismantle Western civilization, says Philadelphia therapist. 0.97

02:55:23.000 No.

02:55:23.000 What?

02:55:24.000 She's just wrong.

02:55:25.000 Well, she's just sad.

02:55:26.000 Remember that fake paper we wrote about fat bodybuilding?

02:55:29.000 Yes.

02:55:30.000 Well, for folks that don't know, you with Helen Pluckrose and Peter Boghossian had written a bunch of these fake grievance papers.

02:55:40.000 Yeah, fake papers and grievance studies, fat studies, gender studies.

02:55:43.000 And these studies were, unfortunately, accepted, lauded, and praised, and you guys even won awards for these parody studies.

02:55:53.000 Yeah.

02:55:53.000 Seven of them were accepted.

02:55:55.000 One got an award for excellence. 0.96

02:55:57.000 That was about dog sex. 0.80

02:55:58.000 Please explain that one because that's my favorite one. 0.85

02:56:01.000 What's it called again?

02:56:03.000 Human Reactions to Queer Performativity and something else in urban dog parks in Portland, Oregon.

02:56:11.000 Rape culture. 1.00

02:56:12.000 Queer performativity and rape culture in urban dog parks in Portland, Oregon. 0.99

02:56:17.000 So we claim that we spend a thousand hours as one person, feminist, watching dogs hump each other and fight each other in dog parks. 1.00

02:56:25.000 A thousand hours is so long.

02:56:27.000 In a year.

02:56:28.000 It's like five hours a day.

02:56:30.000 And then across like a work week or whatever.

02:56:33.000 So they didn't even investigate that.

02:56:34.000 Wait a minute.

02:56:35.000 And we said never in the heavy rain, which in Portland, right?

02:56:38.000 It's like, come on.

02:56:39.000 That's not even possible then.

02:56:40.000 Yeah.

02:56:41.000 And then we said there were over 10,000 dogs that we interacted with, which is so many.

02:56:45.000 There's only like 20, 30 dogs that go to any given park probably.

02:56:48.000 It's just like the neighborhood park.

02:56:50.000 And we inspected their genitals, and then we would see how their owners reacted. 0.98

02:56:55.000 You know, in particular, did they praise, like, male-on-female dog rape while being upset about male-on-male dog rape? 0.99

02:57:08.000 And so the gay dog rape, if they were bothered by that, and we claimed that that's what they did. 0.99

02:57:14.000 And this won an award? 1.00

02:57:15.000 Yeah, this won an award for excellence in scholarship.

02:57:17.000 And we said that dog parks are canine rape culture. 1.00

02:57:20.000 They're petri dishes of canine rape culture, actually. 1.00

02:57:23.000 And they are rape-condoning spaces, just like nightclubs. 0.54

02:57:26.000 Here's the problem with, like, it's so hard. 0.98

02:57:29.000 People are so nuts right now.

02:57:30.000 It's hard to tell parody.

02:57:32.000 Jamie, pull up this article that I posted on my Instagram from the San Francisco Chronicle.

02:57:40.000 Oh, yeah.

02:57:41.000 I don't even know for sure if that one's parody or not.

02:57:43.000 I don't think it can be.

02:57:44.000 I read people saying it was parody.

02:57:46.000 Is it parody?

02:57:47.000 Because it starts with a modest proposal or whatever.

02:57:51.000 Like, the state should own all of your children or whatever.

02:57:54.000 But isn't it in a newspaper?

02:57:56.000 It's fine.

02:57:57.000 Yeah, you can do satire in a newspaper.

02:57:59.000 That's okay.

02:58:00.000 That's so confusing.

02:58:01.000 But what I said is, like, in A World Gone Mad, it's...

02:58:06.000 Yeah, force parents to give away their children.

02:58:07.000 Yeah.

02:58:08.000 I think it starts with a modest proposal, blah, blah, blah, which means it would be satire.

02:58:12.000 I looked at it.

02:58:13.000 I was like, what is this?

02:58:14.000 So I said, the world got mad.

02:58:16.000 It's harder and harder to spot parity.

02:58:17.000 That's the thing.

02:58:18.000 Yeah.

02:58:18.000 That's why when I looked at this.

02:58:20.000 But this is the San Francisco Chronicle.

02:58:21.000 It says, opinion.

02:58:22.000 Want true equity?

02:58:24.000 California should force parents to give away their children. 1.00

02:58:26.000 Like, is that...

02:58:28.000 Okay, if that's clear parody, and it seems like it is to me, when I read that, I was like, okay, this is, what's crazy is that the world is so nuts, it's hard to spot parody.

02:58:37.000 Exactly.

02:58:38.000 Exactly.

02:58:38.000 And it's so hard.

02:58:39.000 I'll tell you, this is an update to the Grievance Studies papers, that fat bodybuilding I just brought up.

02:58:43.000 Yes.

02:58:44.000 There was a neuroscientist.

02:58:45.000 In fact, you remember that thing with, like, the, getting, like, the phobia of holes in things?

02:58:50.000 Yes.

02:58:50.000 The trypophobia, or whatever they called it.

02:58:53.000 Like, something that looks like a honeycomb, and you're like, uh, you know, something.

02:58:56.000 The guy, Jeff Cole is his name, the neuroscientist who identified that phobia, wrote a paper saying that there's nowhere that you could stand to say that fat bodybuilding is actually ridiculous. 0.55

02:59:10.000 I'm not kidding. 0.68

02:59:10.000 He was like, there's no ability to have genuine consensus about what's ridiculous and what's not ridiculous. 0.68

02:59:18.000 And I was like, what? 0.99

02:59:20.000 What the fuck does that mean? 0.99

02:59:21.000 That's opinion. 1.00

02:59:22.000 People can think your suit is ridiculous. 0.98

02:59:25.000 Anything goes. 0.98

02:59:26.000 Yeah.

02:59:26.000 Anything goes, right?

02:59:29.000 But there's no grounds to stand on. 0.99

02:59:32.000 We would say fat bodybuilding is ridiculous. 0.99

02:59:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:59:35.000 And this is a neuroscientist. 0.68

02:59:37.000 This isn't some, like, fat feminist that wants to justify being allowed to be fat and not have her feelings hurt. 1.00

02:59:43.000 So, like, yeah, dude. 0.88

02:59:45.000 It's like, you can't tell... 0.93

02:59:46.000 It's clown world.

02:59:48.000 It's, like, literally, like, satire and reality.

02:59:51.000 Look how many times a Babylon Bee has been, like, fact-checked or...

02:59:55.000 You know, they got fact-checked.

02:59:57.000 This is my favorite one to bring up.

02:59:58.000 They got fact-checked for saying that CNN buys giant washing machines so they can spin the news before they air it.

03:00:06.000 And they got fact-checked on that.

03:00:07.000 They did not actually buy washing machines. 1.00

03:00:10.000 Can you imagine how stupid you are being the straight man on that? 1.00

03:00:13.000 Are they fact-checked by AI? What are they fact-checked by? 1.00

03:00:16.000 They're fact-checked by millennials, probably.

03:00:18.000 Do you think so?

03:00:19.000 I don't know. 1.00

03:00:19.000 How could they be fact-checked for something that dumb? 1.00

03:00:22.000 Giant washing machines? 0.99

03:00:23.000 That's almost like, I'm wondering if this is farmed out to AI. I mean, it might be.

03:00:30.000 They've been fact-checked a number of times, though, on things that are very obviously fake.

03:00:35.000 You know, one of the things that I've read that gave me hope, and I don't know why I should have any hope, is that they said that CNN was going to switch their format to an objective news format, and they were going to get rid of all their opinion-based editorial staff,

03:00:50.000 like Don LeLon, like those knuckleheads, that they were going to get rid of them.

03:00:55.000 You know, that would be, if it's genuine, a positive step.

03:00:59.000 Well, they have to know that they've destroyed their business.

03:01:01.000 They have no credibility left.

03:01:03.000 And they have to think that, you know, like, the thing about the 90% drop in their ratings last year, they want to say that it's because of scandals.

03:01:11.000 That's like what it, you know, Cuomo, and they don't help.

03:01:15.000 The two guys, again, two more people that got busted being pedophiles, right? 0.99

03:01:19.000 That were on their staff, which is fucking wild. 0.99

03:01:21.000 Producers. 1.00

03:01:22.000 Totally nuts.

03:01:23.000 Right.

03:01:23.000 Producer for Jake Tapper, and there's a producer for who else was the other producer?

03:01:27.000 Was it Cuomo?

03:01:29.000 Yes, I think so.

03:01:32.000 Yeah, maybe.

03:01:34.000 I don't know.

03:01:36.000 I can't remember.

03:01:37.000 Two high-level producers, though.

03:01:39.000 Most people don't know that, though.

03:01:41.000 Most people aren't even aware of that because they never even covered it. 0.99

03:01:43.000 Right, it's that their programming sucks. 1.00

03:01:45.000 It's not just that it sucks, but it's preposterous. 1.00

03:01:49.000 Preposterous, yes. 0.99

03:01:49.000 Yeah, it's preposterous. 0.99

03:01:52.000 Solzhenitsyn says, you know, we know they're lying.

03:01:54.000 They know they're lying.

03:01:56.000 We know they know, you know, the whole thing.

03:01:58.000 It's also the smugness in which they disseminate propaganda. 1.00

03:02:03.000 People know that they're full of shit, and they're doing it with a smugness, and it turns people off. 1.00

03:02:09.000 It turns them way off. 1.00

03:02:10.000 It would turn people off even if they were accurate.

03:02:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:02:13.000 Yeah, that attitude sucks. 1.00

03:02:14.000 It sucks. 1.00

03:02:15.000 It's like I remember when I was a kid, like my mom being like, you know, what you're saying might be right, but your attitude sucks or whatever, you know, if I smarten off. 0.99

03:02:22.000 It's also an extreme lack of understanding of human nature. 0.83

03:02:28.000 The way they discuss things, like one of the things they were talking about, shaming people.

03:02:34.000 Like whether or not we should start shaming people for not following the public health guidelines that have changed over and over again and have been proven over and over again to be wrong. 0.99

03:02:44.000 Like what are you fucking saying? 0.98

03:02:47.000 You're on the news and you're talking about shaming people? 1.00

03:02:51.000 Shaming people, yeah.

03:02:52.000 This is what I'm telling you, dude.

03:02:54.000 This is why...

03:02:55.000 I actually am hopeful.

03:02:56.000 I am cautiously optimistic.

03:02:58.000 It's not going to fix itself.

03:02:59.000 But because of the drop-off of their...

03:03:01.000 Well, not specifically the drop-off.

03:03:03.000 It's that they are so arrogant that they think they can just get away with anything.

03:03:08.000 And what that causes is people to see through it.

03:03:10.000 Yeah.

03:03:11.000 And when enough people see through it, I mean, their ratings are going to drop 90%, and then other forces are going to come into play, or protests are going to start coming up, or whatever else.

03:03:23.000 And One of my favorite ones was when Brian Stelter was talking about what a shame it was that there were programs on YouTube that get more ratings than CNN in prime time.

03:03:37.000 And I remember thinking, do you think you guys, that people owe you ratings?

03:03:43.000 Do you think you deserve ratings? 0.98

03:03:44.000 They're so arrogant.

03:03:45.000 What do you think ratings are coming from?

03:03:48.000 This concept that CNN is a respectable news source, like, bro, this is 2022 or 2021 when that was happening.

03:03:56.000 This is not 2005. That ship has sailed, kid.

03:04:02.000 You don't know that?

03:04:04.000 That entitlement.

03:04:05.000 I'm cautiously optimistic because I think they're just going to keep making mistakes.

03:04:09.000 But it's so wild that that's the big one.

03:04:13.000 You know, like, that's the one controversial, like, CNN used to be rock-fucking-solid.

03:04:17.000 Yeah.

03:04:18.000 That used to be the place that I would go for everything.

03:04:20.000 Yeah, of course.

03:04:21.000 I would go to CNN.com, like, first thing in the morning, see what's happening in the world.

03:04:24.000 Now I look at them like, what kind of spin are they putting on this?

03:04:27.000 Yeah, what nonsense is this going to be?

03:04:28.000 How little have you investigated into this story to spread it this way?

03:04:33.000 Right, yeah.

03:04:33.000 How is this racism, or racism is a public health threat now, or whatever else it is?

03:04:37.000 There's a little spin on this story, too.

03:04:39.000 Yeah? 0.96

03:04:40.000 It's 90% down from where it was from this week last year, which was the week that the riots happened, which would have been everyone fucking watching the news. 0.76

03:04:48.000 Oh, sure. 0.70

03:04:50.000 That's a spin.

03:04:50.000 That's a little dodgy.

03:04:51.000 I went back to 2019 when they were going up, and they were getting just over a million viewers a day-ish.

03:04:56.000 At the best.

03:04:58.000 That was before the elections.

03:05:01.000 The Trump thing, for sure, they lost 50% because that was like an objective analysis of all of their ratings and they were talking about across the board.

03:05:12.000 That's a giant number, man.

03:05:13.000 That's a lot of people.

03:05:14.000 Because that means you're dependent upon conflict.

03:05:16.000 So that sets up what you're doing, that you have to find some outrage.

03:05:20.000 And that's the other thing.

03:05:21.000 People get outrage fatigue. 1.00

03:05:23.000 No one wants to listen to that crap all the time. 0.99

03:05:24.000 Like, people just want some normal life, man. 1.00

03:05:26.000 Also, you can't force outrage.

03:05:28.000 Nope.

03:05:28.000 Like, when it's not really that outrageous...

03:05:30.000 Like J6. Yeah.

03:05:32.000 Like, we have to be all really mad about this thing a year later, and they polled a bunch of Democrats, and they were like, eh, it's not really on my list of concerns.

03:05:38.000 My favorite is when they ask Kamala Harris questions. 0.96

03:05:41.000 And then she gives, like, a kid in seventh grade essay, like, when they're trying to fill the 150 words that you have to use, or whatever the fuck it is. 0.76

03:05:52.000 It is crazy to hear her talk about it when she was talking about Pearl Harbor, and she was talking, what were the other- Pearl Harbor, Civil War, and then 9-11. 0.74

03:06:02.000 Yeah.

03:06:02.000 Pearl Harbor, Civil War, 9-11.

03:06:06.000 And then January 6th.

03:06:07.000 January 6th. 1.00

03:06:08.000 Where, you know, a bunch of fucking morons- Went to the Capitol and probably were instigated by the feds to do so. 1.00

03:06:16.000 Right, and what did Norm MacDonald say about it? 1.00

03:06:17.000 He said how great it was that they respected the velvet ropes in Statuary Hall.

03:06:24.000 God, what a genius.

03:06:26.000 Oh, I miss him.

03:06:27.000 Oh, man.

03:06:28.000 Well, listen, man, let's wrap this up.

03:06:29.000 Let's bring it home.

03:06:30.000 There's no happy ending to this show, folks.

03:06:32.000 We're in a weird time.

03:06:34.000 I guess the happy ending is what you're saying, that people are kind of aware.

03:06:37.000 Yeah.

03:06:37.000 No, I think there is a happy ending.

03:06:39.000 I think we're going through a bumpy time, but man, are they stupid. 1.00

03:06:42.000 And it's like they can't understand why people don't like them, and that's always a good sign that they're probably not going to win. 0.99

03:06:50.000 Well, it's also they really hate independents, like independent media that's successful.

03:06:57.000 Yeah.

03:06:57.000 And they want to demonize independent media also that's bipartisan or that is least objective and is willing to talk to people on all sides.

03:07:06.000 And they want to regain control, but they want to do it through the old methods, and that's not going to work in this day and age.

03:07:14.000 That's right.

03:07:15.000 That's right.

03:07:15.000 So this is what I'm saying.

03:07:17.000 I think we're going through – we talked about the Enlightenment.

03:07:20.000 I think we're going through the second Enlightenment.

03:07:23.000 I think we're – I talked earlier about like an aristocracy of ideas and the media figureheads and the professors and the experts get to decide what is and isn't true for people.

03:07:31.000 I think the internet is allowing people to do their own research as it were and is burning that down.

03:07:37.000 And we're going to have a real marketplace of ideas and we're going to have more freedom if we don't let them – I think they're like – they see their freedom slipping away and they're like grasping for it.

03:07:46.000 And their power, I should say, is slipping away and they're grasping for it.

03:07:50.000 And I think for a while, I wasn't sure, but I'm pretty confident now, like, we're going to get through this and we're going to have a more free, smarter society on the other side.

03:07:59.000 It's not to say it's going to be smooth for the next little while.

03:08:02.000 And it's not to say that we can go to sleep and it'll just work itself out.

03:08:04.000 How much time do you think we got before that works itself out?

03:08:08.000 10, 15 years with the working out.

03:08:11.000 But for the...

03:08:12.000 Bro, basically you'd be dead by then.

03:08:13.000 Well, I mean... 1.00

03:08:14.000 The fuck, man? 1.00

03:08:15.000 15 years. 1.00

03:08:16.000 In 15 years, it'll be like 70. How long will it be before we can get back to some semblance of normal life, though?

03:08:22.000 Right.

03:08:23.000 Like, that literally could be this year.

03:08:25.000 You think so?

03:08:26.000 I mean, I'm not...

03:08:27.000 I don't think it will be, but it could be.

03:08:29.000 Do you think they will follow England when they're having this, you know, completely dropping all of their COVID mandates?

03:08:35.000 You know, I think we're going to have to.

03:08:36.000 I think everywhere... 0.98

03:08:37.000 I think the COVID narrative has fallen apart, and it just looks like heavy-handed government and authority abusing power to keep trying to voice this crap on people.

03:08:46.000 They've kind of hid information, though.

03:08:48.000 Like, one of the things they're doing now is they're hiding the death count now because it's so low with Omicron.

03:08:52.000 But the fact that we know that is...

03:08:54.000 Proof that that information is getting out, and it's going to keep getting out.

03:08:57.000 These alternative sources that they don't want you listening to, that CNN thinks they should be getting the ratings instead, this is escaping their grasp.

03:09:07.000 And if people actually stand up and say, no, we're not going to do this, well, it's going to have to happen, though.

03:09:12.000 If you want the positive path, it doesn't really matter too much if it's Republican or Democrat, but you're going to have more space on the Republican side of the aisle.

03:09:19.000 The place where America is going to be put to the political test is going to be in the primaries this year because they're going to try to run a bunch of establishment stooges because they now know the Democrats have no prospects.

03:09:33.000 So they're going to try to run a bunch of establishment stooges in the Republican people to kind of just keep the pot on simmer. 0.64

03:09:39.000 We have to fix the schools, though, because the schools are their next best hope.

03:09:44.000 If they can screw up the kids, then they're going to be able to just try again in a few years and throw another cultural bomb in wherever. 0.70

03:09:52.000 As more people become 18 years old, their pool of talent grows larger.

03:09:56.000 Exactly.

03:09:56.000 And so if we're willing to do everything in our power to rescue the schools and to avoid going into this kind of like digital passport mentality, Then we can throw off their plans.

03:10:07.000 And I think what's going to happen, I think what they're reaching for so desperately, so many of these people are being exposed as either frauds or maybe even criminals.

03:10:14.000 And they don't want that to happen because they're going to lose all their power and maybe go to jail.

03:10:18.000 And so they're trying to like clamp down and make sure you can't listen to different voices that might call them criminals.

03:10:25.000 Rightfully those things. 0.97

03:10:26.000 They don't want to hear people like Dr. Malone come on here and say a bunch of stuff about COVID that makes them look like a bunch of either incompetent people or assholes or criminals. 0.99

03:10:37.000 And so they've got to try it. 0.98

03:10:39.000 But they can't put the cork back in the bottle.

03:10:42.000 There's too many holes or whatever.

03:10:43.000 It's a bad metaphor, but it's a broken bottle, I guess.

03:10:47.000 I hope you're right.

03:10:49.000 You know, you asked me last time I came on here if I was optimistic, and I said, well, I have to be because I have no use for pessimism.

03:10:55.000 I'm actually optimistic now.

03:10:58.000 It's cautious, but I'm genuinely optimistic.

03:11:01.000 But we all have to be willing.

03:11:02.000 This is the most important thing.

03:11:03.000 We have to be willing to stand up, and we have to be willing to speak up. 0.99

03:11:06.000 We have to be willing to say, no, we're going to put people in office who are going to start safeguarding our freedom from big tech, safeguarding our freedom from these stupid... 1.00

03:11:16.000 We're good to go. 0.94

03:11:42.000 If we can get the right people and get enough momentum behind it and get those people to start figuring out the legalities of these things to protect citizens again, we can actually get out of this.

03:11:53.000 I hope you're right.

03:11:54.000 James Lindsay, thank you very much.

03:11:56.000 Appreciate you.

03:11:56.000 Conceptual James, follow him on Twitter.

03:11:58.000 It's an awesome follow.

03:11:59.000 You tweet all day long.

03:12:01.000 You got a real problem with that.

03:12:02.000 I do.

03:12:02.000 Wake up.

03:12:03.000 Stop doing that.

03:12:04.000 Go outside.

03:12:04.000 All right.

03:12:04.000 Touch grass.

03:12:05.000 Love you guys.

03:12:06.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 20, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1767 - James Lindsay

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