The Joe Rogan Experience - February 10, 2022


Joe Rogan Experience #1775 - Dave Smith

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Comedian and MMA analyst Joe Rogan joins Jemele to discuss a variety of topics, including why we need to destroy Western civilization and why Adele should be allowed to be a woman who loves being a woman, and why we shouldn't be so intolerant that we can't be tolerant. Plus, we talk about the new Adele ad and how she should have been able to choose what she wants to be called a woman and what she doesn't want to be, and how to deal with the fact that you can't have it all you want and still be a feminist and be a good person. Also, we discuss why we should be more tolerant and why it's a bad idea to be gender neutral and why that's a terrible idea. And we talk a lot of other stuff, too, including a new ad for a gender neutral Adele and why you should not be offended by it. And we answer some listener questions. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. The opinions expressed in this episode are our own, not those of our companies. Thank you for listening and supporting us. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and/or subscribe to our other podcast, and tell a friend about what you think of the show and what they think of it. We'll be looking out for you in the comments and what you'd like to hear in the next episode. Thank you! and we'll be listening to your thoughts on the next week's episode of the podcast, too! xoxo, Jon Sorrentino. -Jon and Jemelek. Jon & Jemele -Jemelek Jon - David Smith - Jon & Jamie - and the rest of the boys - is a good friend of yours? -and we love you, too much, so much so much, too good and so much more! - thank you so much and we really appreciate it so much that you're so much to have a chance to be heard by you're amazing, so please leave a review and all of your support and support us in the podcast? so much love you're lovely, so thank you, yay, so good and you're beautiful, so you can have a good day, so we can be nice, thank you can see us back again, good night, bye, bye bye.

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00:00:12.000 All right, David Smith, how the fuck are you? 0.99
00:00:14.000 Very good, sir. 0.99
00:00:15.000 Thank you for having me back.
00:00:16.000 Cheers, sir.
00:00:19.000 Always good to see you. 1.00
00:00:20.000 Fuck. 1.00
00:00:21.000 You too. 1.00
00:00:22.000 Last night was fun.
00:00:23.000 Yeah, it was great.
00:00:23.000 Good times.
00:00:24.000 And tonight should be fun too.
00:00:26.000 Hell yeah.
00:00:27.000 Hell yeah.
00:00:27.000 Doing gigs out in Texas with Joe Rogan, right when things are all calm for you and relaxed.
00:00:32.000 Everything's great.
00:00:33.000 Normal.
00:00:36.000 Did you see yourself becoming the most important man in the universe?
00:00:39.000 That's not real.
00:00:41.000 It's just attention.
00:00:44.000 No.
00:00:45.000 Of course not. 1.00
00:00:45.000 Who the fuck would ever see that? 1.00
00:00:47.000 Yeah, that's pretty unbelievable. 0.99
00:00:49.000 You took the logical progression from being, you know, a stand-up comedian, an MMA analyst, to bringing down the entire regime in the United States of America.
00:00:59.000 I'm not bringing down any regimes.
00:01:01.000 Well, I can wish.
00:01:02.000 Yeah, well, that's you, though.
00:01:04.000 You're that libertarian cynicist who...
00:01:07.000 I don't think of it as...
00:01:08.000 I think I was being an optimist when I said bringing down the regime. 0.99
00:01:12.000 Well, what the fuck replaces it? 0.99
00:01:14.000 All those, like, all the crazy Antifa people that want to burn it all down, like, we've got to destroy democracy, like, and replace it with what? 1.00
00:01:22.000 Well, that's a... 0.54
00:01:23.000 Yeah, I think for them, like, the Chaz or something. 1.00
00:01:26.000 Yes, remember that?
00:01:27.000 Yeah, I don't think that's going to be much better.
00:01:29.000 But I'd be okay with maybe, like, something crazy, like, Like the Bill of Rights.
00:01:34.000 That'd be cool.
00:01:36.000 I'd be okay taking a step back toward that.
00:01:38.000 But it's that attitude about bringing it all down.
00:01:42.000 One of my favorite ones, I know I sent you this before, Jamie.
00:01:44.000 It's this woman who said, to stop fatphobia, we have to destroy Western civilization.
00:01:52.000 That seems a little extreme.
00:01:55.000 But that's my point, is that that is the attitude. 0.98
00:01:58.000 That it's so silly. 0.85
00:02:00.000 They're saying something like, you haven't thought this through at all. 0.97
00:02:04.000 You don't have a real plan, but you just don't want people to make fun of you being fat.
00:02:09.000 So you think that the best way to handle this is to destroy Western civilization.
00:02:15.000 I'm trying to find it. 0.97
00:02:16.000 It's going to be really disappointing when she destroys Western civilization and then finds out people still make fun of her for being fat. 0.96
00:02:22.000 Look at this.
00:02:23.000 To end fatphobia, we need to dismantle Western civilization, says Philly therapist.
00:02:28.000 Whew.
00:02:29.000 Can you imagine someone who really needs a therapist and that's who you get as your therapist?
00:02:33.000 I feel like she would definitely force that into therapy. 0.99
00:02:37.000 You're like, I don't know, I never really communicated with my father.
00:02:40.000 And she's like, do you think we need to destroy Western civilization?
00:02:42.000 But it's like if you just tell her, like, ma'am, if you just lost weight, you'd be feeling better.
00:02:48.000 You'd be better.
00:02:49.000 It'd be better forever.
00:02:50.000 You would have less...
00:02:52.000 Disease, you'd have less problems, your joints wouldn't hurt, you'd have more energy.
00:02:57.000 Yes, it would be objectively better.
00:02:59.000 For everything about your life, all aspects of your life, you'd be happier, your hormones would work better, your whole endocrine system would function more fluidly, your heart would work better, you'd feel better.
00:03:13.000 Somewhere along the line in this country, we became allergic to harsh truths.
00:03:20.000 Anything that just is like, look, this is the truth, but it's probably not going to make you feel warm and mushy to hear this.
00:03:26.000 Yeah, I got another one. 1.00
00:03:27.000 I got to send Jamie this right now because it's so fucking stupid. 0.99
00:03:31.000 It is Adele got in trouble last night. 0.99
00:03:34.000 This is like, what is happening?
00:03:38.000 This literally makes no sense.
00:03:43.000 So Adele did this... 1.00
00:03:45.000 I mean, I don't even know what you would call it.
00:03:47.000 They were calling it gender neutral.
00:03:49.000 Some gender neutral thing.
00:03:50.000 And she talked about how much she loved being a woman.
00:03:53.000 And they were mad at her.
00:03:54.000 That's very offensive.
00:03:55.000 They slammed her. 1.00
00:03:57.000 She was slammed for telling a gender neutral award show that she loves being a woman.
00:04:01.000 Like, you can't love being a woman! 1.00
00:04:04.000 It's horrible.
00:04:05.000 You have to be gender neutral. 0.99
00:04:07.000 Like us.
00:04:08.000 Be like us!
00:04:09.000 We're so tolerant!
00:04:12.000 I'm appalled.
00:04:13.000 She loves being a woman.
00:04:14.000 That's so intolerant.
00:04:16.000 Yeah, really.
00:04:16.000 She should be tolerant and just be like them only.
00:04:19.000 And only think like them.
00:04:21.000 All the they-them people, she should only be like them. 1.00
00:04:24.000 Yeah.
00:04:24.000 It's a very insane request.
00:04:29.000 You know what I mean?
00:04:30.000 I think it's a reasonable request to say, hey listen, I don't fit into these norms, and I would like to not be mistreated for that.
00:04:39.000 That is a reasonable request.
00:04:40.000 To say that I demand that everybody else also does not fit into the norms, which the vast majority of human beings, like the vast, vast, vast majority, consider themselves to be one of these two genders. 0.89
00:04:54.000 Yeah.
00:04:55.000 So to demand that they stop doing that so that you're more comfortable, that's a...
00:05:01.000 It's like if someone is in a wheelchair and they're like, hey, I'd really appreciate it if you built a ramp. 1.00
00:05:06.000 Or I'd appreciate it if you don't like, you know, I don't know, something.
00:05:09.000 But if they go, I'd like everybody else to sit in a wheelchair and wheel around also. 0.99
00:05:12.000 That's the only way you can get around.
00:05:14.000 That seems a bit unrealistic.
00:05:16.000 Well, this is apparently a gender-neutral award show, which I don't understand.
00:05:22.000 And I don't understand why she said yes going to it.
00:05:24.000 I'm looking at the response to it.
00:05:26.000 It says the audience gave support, and then all of the slams are coming from Twitter.
00:05:32.000 Of course!
00:05:33.000 And I looked at some of the tweets, and they're already protected, so I can't see it.
00:05:36.000 Ah, they're already protected!
00:05:37.000 People panicked.
00:05:38.000 The audience at the time didn't realize that they had just heard such a horrific thing said to them.
00:05:43.000 Yeah, they weren't aware.
00:05:45.000 They had to get online and find out how they should think.
00:05:48.000 Yeah, man.
00:05:49.000 All this stuff, though, it does...
00:05:51.000 It's, you know, it's like the reason, though, why all of this, like, woke insanity is so pushed by all of the big corporations and by the media and, like, all this stuff is because doesn't it just serve as the perfect distraction?
00:06:02.000 Like, while everything's crumbling and there's so many real things, like, the 20th century for the United States of America has been a disaster thus far.
00:06:12.000 Like, coming from being the most powerful country in the world, coming out of, say, like, the 90s to...
00:06:17.000 What is it?
00:06:18.000 2001 starts with 9-11, then like seven disastrous wars, the worst recession in 100 years or something like that.
00:06:25.000 Donald Trump gets elected.
00:06:27.000 There's COVID. There's the shutdowns, this whole thing.
00:06:30.000 It's like a disaster.
00:06:31.000 And they're like, what we really need to talk about, what we need to focus on, is that this woman said she loves being a woman the other day, and I find that very problematic.
00:06:39.000 If you're like one of these big corporations or some hedge fund manager or something, I'm just saying it's awfully convenient.
00:06:49.000 It's a very good distraction.
00:06:50.000 It does keep you from concentrating on it.
00:06:52.000 And one of the things that I was talking about last night.
00:06:54.000 And the thing is that to actually think about that, number one, it requires you to actually think.
00:07:00.000 It requires you actually, you know, watch something or read something and know what's going on.
00:07:05.000 Then it also might require that you reflect on yourself and what role you play in all of this.
00:07:10.000 You're like, I'm quite happy to ignore that and just have my new cool phone.
00:07:13.000 Whereas just being outraged about someone saying a word you don't think they're supposed to say, that's easy.
00:07:18.000 It takes no sacrifice, no introspection, nothing.
00:07:22.000 People just focus on that, but we have an unbelievable problem in this culture with our hierarchy of outrage.
00:07:30.000 It's not that even some things maybe aren't wrong or you shouldn't be upset about them, but where does this rank in terms of other outrages?
00:07:38.000 I mean, there could just be like a...
00:07:41.000 It's like, oh, the Biden administration had a drone bomb, you know, killed like six innocent people.
00:07:45.000 And that's like the 1037th thing that people are outraged about today.
00:07:51.000 And the number one thing is just always something that's like, this should not even be in competition with that.
00:07:57.000 Like, what are we talking about here?
00:07:59.000 Like, The Rock pretended to be a Chinese guy 13 years ago.
00:08:01.000 We need to go after him now.
00:08:03.000 But man, that video of you commentating while he does it is hilarious.
00:08:07.000 God bless the internet.
00:08:09.000 God bless the geniuses on the internet. 0.97
00:08:11.000 Well, when you step out and you say something silly and he said something silly. 0.79
00:08:16.000 Well, that's the thing, though, is that it's like...
00:08:21.000 It's an interesting thing also because you have so much support, so many people love you, that now you have all these people out there and it's like, so what do you guys want to do here?
00:08:31.000 You really want to go to war?
00:08:33.000 You want to bring up everything everyone's ever said that was not the right thing to say?
00:08:37.000 When they got the Young Turks. 0.97
00:08:38.000 I wonder if they had started talking about it first and then they got them with that video or if they just went right for them.
00:08:45.000 I don't know.
00:08:46.000 I don't know because I don't watch them.
00:08:47.000 Yeah, I haven't watched them in a long long time.
00:08:50.000 I used to.
00:08:51.000 Yeah, I did too.
00:08:52.000 It got unbearable.
00:08:54.000 What happened?
00:08:56.000 Something happened and I don't know if it's attention.
00:08:59.000 There's something that happens to people.
00:09:01.000 It's very difficult to stay the course and be who you are.
00:09:04.000 And I say this as a person who gets about as much attention as anybody gets.
00:09:10.000 Like, alive.
00:09:12.000 It's hard.
00:09:13.000 Because so many people are looking at you. 0.99
00:09:14.000 And also, I have, like, managers and shit. 0.96
00:09:16.000 And they're like, should you really do this? 0.96
00:09:18.000 And should you really do that?
00:09:19.000 And they talk to me on the phone.
00:09:20.000 I go, hey, hey, hey.
00:09:21.000 Gotta go.
00:09:22.000 I'm high.
00:09:23.000 Click.
00:09:24.000 I'm like, wait.
00:09:25.000 I'm not changing.
00:09:26.000 Right.
00:09:26.000 Like, I'm not changing anything about what I do.
00:09:28.000 I'm a good person.
00:09:29.000 I'm a nice guy.
00:09:30.000 But if you're asking me to, like, become something different because people are paying attention, like, well, I'm out.
00:09:37.000 Because that's not what I signed up for.
00:09:39.000 I signed up to just be myself.
00:09:41.000 But something happens to a lot of people when they get a lot of attention where they start to lean towards the things that get them the most attention or lean towards the things they feel like get them the most support or they start to react to the reactions of other people.
00:09:55.000 And then they become reactionaries.
00:09:56.000 They become different than who they really are.
00:09:59.000 And one of the things is they lose their ability to have a charitable take on things.
00:10:03.000 They lose their ability to be compassionate for other people, and they start looking at things very ideologically, very dogmatically, and they start falling into these traps.
00:10:15.000 And you'll see it with right-wing people, you see it with left-wing people, and they get Somehow or another, they feel like their emotions and outrage and yelling and being insulting, it enhances what they're saying.
00:10:31.000 It enhances their take on things.
00:10:34.000 And it doesn't.
00:10:34.000 It doesn't work.
00:10:36.000 You should be maturing.
00:10:39.000 It's okay to be outraged.
00:10:40.000 It's okay to insult people.
00:10:41.000 But it should have weight to it.
00:10:44.000 It should make sense.
00:10:46.000 And when you're doing it and it doesn't make sense, come on.
00:10:50.000 Do you not have a filter?
00:10:52.000 Are you having too many other people influence you?
00:10:55.000 Do you not have any meditation time?
00:10:57.000 Like, why are you changing?
00:10:59.000 Like, what are you becoming?
00:11:00.000 Or is it something more sinister than that?
00:11:03.000 Which I think it is for some people, where it's like, you know exactly what you're doing.
00:11:06.000 You don't even really believe in this, you know, that's outrage.
00:11:10.000 But this is a convenient way for you to kind of pile on and kind of take out your enemies, so to speak.
00:11:16.000 There's a lot of people like that.
00:11:17.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people like that.
00:11:18.000 The instancy, that's dark.
00:11:20.000 It's so sad like it's like people are looking But that's also why it doesn't it's not very effective and it's not very popular like it's kind of popular with some casuals But it loses support because if people don't feel you're sincere if they don't you can be wrong But you have to be honest like you who are you like who I don't I want to know who you are I don't mind flawed people every fucking person I love dearly is flawed all of them I like flawed people I don't mind flaws,
00:11:48.000 but I want to know what you're thinking.
00:11:49.000 Like, why are you thinking what you're thinking?
00:11:51.000 Are you thinking what you're thinking because you've thought it out?
00:11:53.000 Is it your opinion today and tomorrow you might come along and go, you know what?
00:11:57.000 I thought about what I said, and now I think differently because this, that, and the other.
00:12:00.000 And okay, good.
00:12:01.000 Now I like even more, because now I know I can trust you to course correct.
00:12:07.000 I can trust you to be honest about your missteps or why you're thinking a way that upon further consideration you revised your opinion. 1.00
00:12:16.000 But if I think you're bullshitting me, if I think you're doing something because you're just trying to get attention, Fuck all the way off. 0.99
00:12:23.000 I'm not interested now. 0.99
00:12:25.000 So I think you just hit on like exactly really the essence of why you're so big and the essence of why the corporate press hates you so much is that you have this connection with your audience where they know it's not like your audience Thinks you're right about everything.
00:12:43.000 They know you're not lying to them.
00:12:45.000 And that's a really important distinction.
00:12:47.000 It's not necessarily, like, you might be wrong about some stuff, and you often will admit, like, I got this wrong, or whatever.
00:12:53.000 You'll correct yourself in real time.
00:12:54.000 But they know you're not lying to them.
00:12:56.000 And people can smell that, like, on an instinctual level.
00:12:59.000 You watch CNN, and you know they're lying to you.
00:13:02.000 They're not even attempting to have an honest conversation.
00:13:04.000 This isn't...
00:13:05.000 Have you seen Russell Brand do Brian's Delta?
00:13:06.000 Oh, have I seen it?
00:13:10.000 I've seen it.
00:13:11.000 I've climaxed to it.
00:13:14.000 It's the greatest thing ever.
00:13:15.000 It's the perfect example.
00:13:17.000 It's so fake.
00:13:18.000 Dude, did you see that thing?
00:13:20.000 I can't even remember if this was the segment he was doing, but there was this one.
00:13:23.000 You talk about having some self-reflection, some introspection.
00:13:26.000 There's this segment where Brian Stelter is literally on air complaining about how people trust you and don't trust the media.
00:13:36.000 And he's like, but Joe Rogan just gets up there and wings it.
00:13:39.000 And he's got this huge audience and everyone trusts him.
00:13:42.000 And then we have journalists and newsrooms and fact checkers and they don't trust us.
00:13:46.000 And you're like, dude, can you?
00:13:47.000 You are really going to talk about this and not have an ounce of self-reflection and go, hey, why is that?
00:13:55.000 Why is it that people don't trust CNN? Why is it that you can't go to half the country without them chanting, CNN sucks? 0.95
00:14:04.000 Why is that? 0.69
00:14:04.000 Well, a New York Times reporter actually wrote about this. 0.69
00:14:08.000 And he said, instead of demonizing Rogan, let's find out why people trust him.
00:14:14.000 Isn't that so obvious?
00:14:16.000 And people started attacking him.
00:14:16.000 Yeah.
00:14:17.000 Why do they trust him over us? 1.00
00:14:19.000 And people are like, fuck you! 1.00
00:14:21.000 Play this. 1.00
00:14:23.000 Play this.
00:14:26.000 Sounds great, but not all opinions are created equal.
00:14:32.000 Who just wing it.
00:14:34.000 Who make it up as they go along.
00:14:36.000 And because figures like Rogan are trusted by people that don't trust real newsrooms.
00:14:40.000 They're like, why don't people trust me?
00:14:42.000 They trust Rogan, but I'm perfectly trusted.
00:14:44.000 Look how loose my tie knot is.
00:14:47.000 He took horse maggot medicine the other day.
00:14:50.000 Now tell me, sir, and don't tell me anything other than this.
00:14:54.000 Should there be a war?
00:14:56.000 Yes, there should be a war. 1.00
00:14:59.000 Interview's done.
00:15:00.000 I'd like to see you do that, Joan Rogan.
00:15:03.000 Which sounds great, but not all opinions are created equal.
00:15:07.000 What, yours are?
00:15:09.000 Look, they have a fully vaccinated chart.
00:15:12.000 What is that chart?
00:15:13.000 What's that thing to the right?
00:15:15.000 New death, seven-day average?
00:15:17.000 Jesus Christ, what are you selling?
00:15:19.000 What is that?
00:15:20.000 But by the way, you want to talk about processed information?
00:15:23.000 How processed is that?
00:15:25.000 New deaths, seven-day average.
00:15:27.000 Like, okay, show me the comorbidities.
00:15:31.000 They're not going to show you any of the data that is actually relevant.
00:15:33.000 They're not going to break it down in a meaningful way.
00:15:35.000 But I just think that somewhere along the lines in this country, now that we have the opportunity to, because of the internet and podcasts and things like this, and because Guys like Brian Stelter at CNN, these guys have been so, in the 21st century alone, so catastrophically wrong about so many important things,
00:15:53.000 like so many, that nobody trusts them anymore.
00:15:56.000 They smell that this is phony, and they don't want that.
00:15:59.000 And I think what you...
00:16:01.000 I don't think intentionally, but I think just because it's your nature, what you kind of figured out is that people were really craving just an authentic conversation.
00:16:11.000 Yes.
00:16:11.000 Where people can be flawed and people can just talk about, you know, things that matter and talk about them from a real perspective and just have a conversation.
00:16:19.000 I'm not putting on a show for you here.
00:16:21.000 I'm not going, hello everybody and welcome to the Joe Rogan podcast today and this blah blah blah.
00:16:25.000 Like, none of that.
00:16:27.000 Let's be human beings here and that Was really attractive to a lot of people.
00:16:34.000 And I mean, look, man, these guys, you know, listen, the amount of contempt I have for the corporate press, I cannot, like, overstate.
00:16:40.000 I mean, these are, in my opinion, and I think an opinion that's, like he said, not all opinions are equal.
00:16:47.000 Like, I think this opinion is better than his.
00:16:49.000 They are, objectively, the mouthpieces for war criminals. 0.88
00:16:54.000 That's what they do.
00:16:55.000 And the idea that they would have the nerve The nerve to accuse you of spreading disinformation.
00:17:04.000 As they've been pushing this war propaganda between Russia and Ukraine, what's so weird that I haven't seen come up is that Vladimir Putin had bounties On the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan.
00:17:20.000 Oh, no, you know what?
00:17:21.000 They don't bring that up because that was a lie.
00:17:23.000 That didn't happen.
00:17:25.000 Oh, that's right.
00:17:25.000 You guys just pushed war propaganda between the two countries which own 90% of the world's nuclear arsenal.
00:17:32.000 You pushed that based off a lie.
00:17:35.000 And you also said that the last president was installed by Vladimir Putin on some Russian conspiracy.
00:17:41.000 But why don't we hear about that that much?
00:17:43.000 Why is that?
00:17:44.000 Oh yeah, because that was a big fat lie.
00:17:46.000 Not to mention, you know, Assad is still in power in Syria, but whatever happened to the fact that he was gassing his own people? 0.95
00:17:52.000 Oh yeah, that was a big fat lie.
00:17:54.000 And we know that now because there's been like five whistleblowers from the OPCW. That have come out and explained that all of the evidence pointed toward that it wasn't Assad who gassed his own people.
00:18:07.000 And I mean, Libya, they said Gaddafi was about to go genocidal against his own people.
00:18:11.000 A study in the...
00:18:14.000 They did an investigation in the British Parliament determined that was a complete lie.
00:18:18.000 I mean, like, one after...
00:18:19.000 Obviously, everyone knows weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a big, fat lie.
00:18:22.000 And these are lies where...
00:18:25.000 Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of the lies.
00:18:29.000 So not just spreading misinformation, misinformation with catastrophic consequences where like real human beings have had their lives ruined and then you would be behind that whole apparatus and have the nerve to accuse somebody else of spreading misinformation when they spread misinformation about you.
00:18:49.000 Specifically about me and they sent their doctor in here and all he could say when you confronted him on that was like Yeah, no, I guess they shouldn't have said that and then turns around goes back on CNN and goes yeah No, we never lied about that like people see that totally say that he that's actually kind of a Confusing thing you could look at that out of context and I think Sanjay Gupta is a good man what happened was He was talking to Don Lemon,
00:19:16.000 and Don Lemon said that it is true that these drugs are used in whatever, I'm paraphrasing, in a veterinary application.
00:19:26.000 And then he said, yes it is, and then he wanted to keep talking, so it's not a lie, but Don Lemon would talk over him.
00:19:35.000 He's doing the thing remotely, and if you've never experienced this before, what happens is you put an ear thing in, and it's like if Dave and I were in another city and we were doing a show remotely like on CNN, he would talk to me and there would be a slight delay, and then I would hear him and I would talk to him.
00:19:50.000 That slight delay ruins all flow.
00:19:55.000 I've done those things several times.
00:19:57.000 You're right about that.
00:19:58.000 It is a very weird thing.
00:19:59.000 Oftentimes you don't see the person you're talking to.
00:20:02.000 Sometimes they have them up on a monitor, but a lot of times you don't.
00:20:04.000 Usually you're just looking right into a camera.
00:20:05.000 It's very awkward.
00:20:06.000 However, he could have.
00:20:08.000 You're right.
00:20:09.000 He didn't really do it.
00:20:10.000 It was Don Lemon who was kind of using him as a prop to do it.
00:20:13.000 Actually, it's really true that it is a veterinary medicine.
00:20:16.000 It is a horse dewormer.
00:20:17.000 But you know what he didn't do?
00:20:18.000 What Gupta didn't do?
00:20:19.000 And I don't know him.
00:20:20.000 You say he's a good guy.
00:20:22.000 Like, okay.
00:20:22.000 But what he didn't do, which he could have, is said, no, we shouldn't have said that about him.
00:20:27.000 That shouldn't have been said.
00:20:28.000 Which would be very easy to do.
00:20:31.000 That takes the minimum amount of integrity to just go, no, you know what?
00:20:35.000 It was really misleading to say that the guy was taking horse medicine.
00:20:38.000 That is not true.
00:20:40.000 He's an academic and he's a neurosurgeon.
00:20:43.000 Like, he's a practicing neurosurgeon. 0.98
00:20:45.000 I mean, we're talking about a guy who's working like 100 hours a week, like no bullshit. 0.50
00:20:49.000 He's a legit doctor and a good person.
00:20:52.000 Like, I've talked to him off-air.
00:20:54.000 He's a good person.
00:20:55.000 Not everybody has that kind of ability to confront things, especially when you're dealing with an enormous structure like CNN that is overbearing.
00:21:07.000 And you're talking to a guy like Don Lemon, who's a big personality, who's like the...
00:21:11.000 Now he's the head guy.
00:21:13.000 He's the head guy there.
00:21:14.000 Like Brian Stelters...
00:21:16.000 Don Lemon is probably the most trusted guy.
00:21:19.000 Now that Cuomo's gone.
00:21:20.000 It's really Jake Tapper is the only guy that I think is a legit journalist. 0.99
00:21:23.000 When I listen to Jake Tapper, I don't ever see him say things that I think are just fucking ridiculous and disingenuous. 0.96
00:21:29.000 I think he's as legit as they get over there. 0.98
00:21:31.000 But it's like, how legit can you be over there?
00:21:34.000 And also, I guess, maybe in defense.
00:21:37.000 Half in defense of Dr. Gupta would be that there would be consequences to pay if he did that.
00:21:42.000 Even just something as simple as that.
00:21:44.000 He'd be in real trouble, but...
00:21:46.000 They bring in that Lena Wenchik for all his gigs. 1.00
00:21:48.000 But we need more...
00:21:49.000 Yeah, right, exactly. 0.99
00:21:51.000 She's willing to fucking... 1.00
00:21:53.000 We need three masks. 1.00
00:21:55.000 If we don't have three masks, 85% of us are going to die.
00:21:58.000 Well, not anymore, Joe.
00:21:59.000 The science has changed.
00:22:00.000 Oh, the science has changed.
00:22:01.000 Now the science has changed.
00:22:02.000 She said the other day that we need like a third group now who recognizes that the science has changed.
00:22:08.000 So basically it's like we recognize that we did everything right, but the science changed now.
00:22:14.000 And so now that would be wrong to keep doing everything.
00:22:16.000 And so now let's stop doing all the crazy stuff.
00:22:19.000 Go to James Lindsay's Twitter page.
00:22:21.000 He had something about her, I didn't even know that she had said, that's so outrageous. 0.92
00:22:27.000 And he said, don't forget that this is the same woman that said this just a couple months ago about unvaccinated people. 0.65
00:22:33.000 Like some ridiculous quote about unvaccinated people.
00:22:35.000 By the way, which many of them have had COVID. Many of these unvaccinated people like myself and like my friend Dave Smith, we've had COVID. And the CDC has finally come out and said that if you have had COVID, You have better protection from Delta by something like 6X. Which usually when the CDC comes out and says this,
00:22:58.000 it's what anyone paying attention has known for a very long time.
00:23:01.000 But yes, they are finally admitting now that what all of the studies have indicated, that natural immunity is substantially stronger.
00:23:08.000 Not like a little bit stronger, much stronger, much longer lasting.
00:23:12.000 It's just in every way the best protection you can have.
00:23:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I wish that wasn't controversial.
00:23:19.000 Did you find it?
00:23:20.000 Well, he tweets all day, so I don't know.
00:23:21.000 He tweets all day!
00:23:23.000 He's active.
00:23:25.000 What?
00:23:26.000 There's a lot of tweets in the last hour.
00:23:27.000 He tweeted an hour, 30 times in an hour?
00:23:30.000 Two hours ago, there's like five, ten more.
00:23:31.000 Can you imagine being his wife? 1.00
00:23:33.000 James, get off the goddamn phone. 1.00
00:23:36.000 The fuck is wrong with you? 1.00
00:23:40.000 It's further down. 1.00
00:23:41.000 I know.
00:23:41.000 I assume so.
00:23:42.000 Keep going.
00:23:45.000 Hold on.
00:23:46.000 I love him. 1.00
00:23:48.000 But goddamn, he's a Twitter warrior. 1.00
00:23:50.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
00:23:51.000 No, and he's ready.
00:23:52.000 He gets into it with people.
00:23:53.000 He goes back and forth with them.
00:23:54.000 He's out there.
00:23:55.000 He's swinging.
00:23:55.000 Would it have been yesterday?
00:23:57.000 It could have been yesterday.
00:24:00.000 Twitter's curated in a weird way.
00:24:03.000 I only open it like two or three times a day because there was a time, like yesterday or the day before, where every time I would open Twitter, and I don't look at my mentions at all, but it was all about me.
00:24:13.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.
00:24:14.000 My mentions were all about you, so I can imagine yours would be...
00:24:18.000 I'm looking for something that's escape.
00:24:20.000 I'm trying to find out about Ukraine.
00:24:22.000 You gotta change the little thing in the top corner to change the timeline so it's in chronological order.
00:24:26.000 They reset it every so often.
00:24:28.000 Oh, okay.
00:24:30.000 I think one of the things that's happened over this most recent cancellation, I've spent substantially less time online, and it made me feel better.
00:24:39.000 Not just because I'm not reading about me, like mean things people say about me, or supportive things people say about me, which is a lot of it.
00:24:45.000 It's been very nice.
00:24:46.000 I really do thank all the people that have been very supporting, very loving.
00:24:50.000 I really appreciate it.
00:24:51.000 But I just don't think it's good to even read stuff that's not about you. 0.97
00:24:57.000 I think what I should be reading is like fucking AP articles, like news articles. 0.98
00:25:03.000 I should be reading like real news. 0.99
00:25:05.000 That's what I should be reading.
00:25:06.000 That's kind of it. 0.98
00:25:07.000 Like all these hot takes, I mean, maybe I should dip my fucking toes in that pool every couple days or so, but the reality is, like, that's not good for your health. 0.97
00:25:17.000 Because these perspectives, they accelerate the culture war. 1.00
00:25:20.000 Because you see, like, this ridiculous perspective, like, people getting mad at Adele for saying she loves being a woman, and you get angry, like, for no reason, and you're like, what the fuck?! 1.00
00:25:29.000 And then you chime in and...
00:25:31.000 Well, it's unbelievable how much it creates this...
00:25:35.000 Here it is.
00:25:35.000 Oh, there we go.
00:25:36.000 I think.
00:25:37.000 Is this the stuff?
00:25:38.000 Nope.
00:25:38.000 Okay.
00:25:39.000 Well, that's one of them.
00:25:40.000 That's pretty funny, though.
00:25:41.000 She said it's easier for people to get vaccinated when they don't have their freedoms.
00:25:45.000 We have four posts here that are all stuff that are from her.
00:25:48.000 That's it.
00:25:48.000 That's the one.
00:25:49.000 Unvaccinated people should not be allowed to leave their homes. 1.00
00:25:53.000 There you go.
00:25:53.000 Look at that!
00:25:55.000 This is fucking September! 1.00
00:25:57.000 In September, unvaccinated people should not be allowed to leave their homes. 1.00
00:26:03.000 Honey.
00:26:04.000 I mean...
00:26:05.000 That's crazy!
00:26:06.000 What about an unvaccinated person that's recovered from the... 0.87
00:26:09.000 Aren't you a doctor?
00:26:09.000 Yeah, well, what drives me crazy about this also is that it's not just like the...
00:26:13.000 Right, like, there's the...
00:26:15.000 It's not even as if she's following the science, right?
00:26:18.000 Because the science would tell you that their favorite term, follow the science.
00:26:21.000 The science would tell you that actually, you know, someone with natural immunity is safer leaving their home than a vaccinated person.
00:26:28.000 And also that there could be a million other metrics.
00:26:31.000 But what about someone who has a negative COVID test?
00:26:32.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:26:33.000 But regardless of all of that, the thing that drives me crazy about the, you know, like when Dana White got confronted by that reporter who said, are you a doctor?
00:26:42.000 You know, are you a doctor?
00:26:44.000 It's like, look, Some people...
00:26:46.000 There's a fair argument to be made to say that, like, a virologist has an expertise in viruses that the rest of us don't have.
00:26:56.000 And that's fine.
00:26:57.000 It's a less strong argument when you're censoring all of the virologists who disagree with you.
00:27:02.000 But once you're talking about public policy...
00:27:06.000 Then everybody gets to be a part of this conversation.
00:27:08.000 You can't just – because you're now talking about – you may have a little expertise, but your expertise might be in viruses or if you're like an epidemiologist in the spread of viruses or an immunologist in the immune system or something like that.
00:27:23.000 But if you're talking about, okay, this policy will contain this virus, it's like, yeah, but are you also taking into account what effect that would have on the economy?
00:27:30.000 What effect that would have on the psychology of the people?
00:27:33.000 Are you all of these experts?
00:27:35.000 And now you're talking about, how about just the belief in liberty?
00:27:39.000 I mean, like, you're telling people because they didn't consume a pharmaceutical product, they're not allowed to leave their home?
00:27:45.000 I'm sorry.
00:27:45.000 Being a doctor does not give you, like, some expertise in that that I, as a regular free person, am not allowed to also have a say in.
00:27:55.000 And, like, my counter to that is, like, over, like...
00:28:00.000 Over my dead body?
00:28:01.000 Are you going to lock me in my house?
00:28:03.000 Like, give me liberty or give me death?
00:28:05.000 Am I not allowed to feel that way?
00:28:06.000 Wasn't that supposedly the spirit of this country?
00:28:09.000 So that stuff just like, this is a really evil authoritarian mindset that's on display there.
00:28:16.000 Not just that like, hey, I think it would be best if we did this, but that I believe I have this medical expertise that now gives me license To strip other people of their most basic freedoms.
00:28:29.000 The most basic freedom.
00:28:31.000 The freedom to leave your house.
00:28:32.000 Do you think it's enforced on a corporate level?
00:28:36.000 Do you think there's conversations about this?
00:28:38.000 Or do you think it's encouraged?
00:28:39.000 Do you think it's like what we were talking about earlier, when it comes to different podcasters and YouTubers and the like, that once they start getting attention for a certain thing, they lean into it?
00:28:50.000 And so that warps their perspective?
00:28:52.000 Do you think that's what's going on?
00:28:53.000 I don't think it's just one or the other.
00:28:56.000 So I think there's multiple factors going on with a lot of different people.
00:29:00.000 So part of it is that, and I've experienced this a little bit when I've kind of been in little bits and pieces in the corporate press world, it's a very insulated bubble.
00:29:11.000 Well, you should talk about the time you used to work with C.E. Cup, and you did a thing with Brian Stelter.
00:29:17.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:18.000 No, I met all these guys.
00:29:20.000 I did panels with them.
00:29:21.000 Why did they stop calling you?
00:29:24.000 Well, so basically what happened was I got hired by S.E. Cup to be a contributor.
00:29:31.000 I like her a lot, by the way.
00:29:32.000 She is, I will say, very different politics than her. 0.74
00:29:36.000 She was nothing but great to me.
00:29:38.000 And gave me an opportunity on her show, and I'm very grateful for that.
00:29:41.000 She holds herself up with dignity.
00:29:43.000 She always does.
00:29:45.000 She conducts herself very well.
00:29:46.000 I don't know her super well.
00:29:48.000 We did the show together a lot.
00:29:49.000 I was doing it several times a week, and we would do the show together and work together.
00:29:53.000 We never hung out or anything like that.
00:29:55.000 But she was always nothing but very nice to me, and I really liked working for her.
00:29:58.000 She was very nice.
00:30:00.000 I think she's wrong about a lot.
00:30:03.000 But so they hired me at her, she had a show called Unfiltered.
00:30:08.000 And I was one of the contributors on it.
00:30:10.000 And I think they had no idea what they were getting with me.
00:30:13.000 I think they were like, they were like, oh, Dave's like a stand-up comic and he makes jokes about politics.
00:30:17.000 So perfect.
00:30:18.000 He'll come in here and be funny.
00:30:19.000 And they, dude, I mean, they had, when it first started, they had a segment at the end of the show where every contributor got to bring their own topic.
00:30:28.000 You know, like, here's the topic I want to talk about, and this is what's going on in the news.
00:30:32.000 And they literally called me at one point, because, like, four days in a row, I had talked about the war in Yemen.
00:30:38.000 That was, like, all I wanted to talk about every single time.
00:30:41.000 I was like, this is the worst thing in the world, it's the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world, hundreds of thousands of people are dying, babies are, like, vomiting themselves to death, and it's all because America's supporting the Saudi-led war over there. 1.00
00:30:52.000 We could end this in a day with a phone call.
00:30:54.000 And then it'd be like, tomorrow, what do you want to talk about?
00:30:56.000 It'd be like, Well, the war in Yemen's still going on, and babies are dying, and we could end this with a phone call.
00:31:01.000 And they're like, the fourth day, they were like, you have to talk about something else.
00:31:04.000 You have to pick a different story.
00:31:06.000 And then the fifth day, I went in and I was like, the war in Syria is all America's fault, and babies are dying, and we could end this in a day.
00:31:13.000 And then, like, they stopped doing that segment where the contributors got to pick their story at the end.
00:31:18.000 I don't know if it was because of me.
00:31:19.000 I think it was because of me.
00:31:20.000 But I had some fun moments on there where I'd get to argue with all of them.
00:31:26.000 And then as it went on and on, I think it just wasn't helping her.
00:31:32.000 They started using me less and less.
00:31:35.000 And they did renew my contract.
00:31:38.000 I had a six-month contract, then they renewed me for another six months.
00:31:40.000 But then by the end, they just stopped letting me talk about war.
00:31:43.000 Like if war came up, I just wouldn't be on the panel anymore.
00:31:46.000 Oh.
00:31:46.000 They'd bring in one person and kick the panel off and little things like that.
00:31:49.000 So I kind of got the hint.
00:31:51.000 And then by like the last two months, I was just like, listen, I could just walk away.
00:31:54.000 We don't have to do this.
00:31:55.000 You had an interaction with Brian Stelter.
00:31:58.000 Yeah.
00:32:00.000 So I was on a panel with Brian Stelter once.
00:32:04.000 2017. And the topic was, what Brian Stelter's favorite topic is, was, you know, misinformation on the internet.
00:32:13.000 Because he's the guy, his job is to basically be the guy who covers the press.
00:32:18.000 So he's the beat reporter on, you know, the media.
00:32:21.000 And every week he comes in with, you know, his assessment on the corporate press and he goes, A-plus, doing great work, except Fox News.
00:32:29.000 Everyone else is doing great, but the real problem is there's this misinformation out there.
00:32:33.000 And there was a video at the time, and I believe it was like the number one watched video on YouTube of the week. 1.00
00:32:42.000 And it was a stupid video. 0.99
00:32:43.000 It was about how the Parkland shooting, that shooting in Florida at the high school there, was an inside job. 1.00
00:32:52.000 It didn't really happen.
00:32:53.000 It was all crisis actors and all this stuff. 1.00
00:32:55.000 It was stupid, just dumb conspiracy that's not true at all. 1.00
00:32:58.000 The shooting happened. 1.00
00:32:59.000 People died.
00:33:01.000 But he was going off and off about how dangerous this was and why people, you know, how do people believe this stuff?
00:33:07.000 And I was basically saying to him, like, the thing I'm trying to say now, like, it's like, well, have a little bit of self-reflection.
00:33:13.000 Ask yourself, why is it that people don't believe you guys?
00:33:17.000 And I was arguing with him.
00:33:19.000 I was like, look, there's so many real conspiracies that you guys won't cover that are really interesting, but you won't cover it at all here.
00:33:28.000 So then you leave, you seed that ground.
00:33:31.000 To somebody else.
00:33:32.000 And this was all fair, but I was talking to him about, like, why I used to listen to Alex Jones back in the day.
00:33:38.000 Like, what I found so interesting about him.
00:33:40.000 And I was like, well, back in the day, I found Alex Jones, and he's talking about all these things, like, you know, Operation Northwood and stuff like that.
00:33:48.000 And I was like, there's no way that's true.
00:33:50.000 That couldn't be real.
00:33:52.000 And then you go research it, and you're like, oh, it is real.
00:33:54.000 Explain that to people who don't know what you're talking about.
00:33:56.000 Operation Northwood was this plan.
00:33:58.000 It was during the Kennedy administration, so in the early 60s.
00:34:02.000 JFK was president, I don't know, 62, maybe?
00:34:05.000 And basically, they had this plan, which was signed off by the Joint Chiefs, to have a false flag attack to shoot down an American plane and blame it on the Cubans as a pretext for war, to go to war with Cuba.
00:34:21.000 And John F. Kennedy heroically...
00:34:24.000 Uh, said, no! 0.95
00:34:26.000 Like, what are you guys insane? 0.87
00:34:27.000 Like, no, I'm not doing this!
00:34:29.000 Imagine coming into office, when you're president, you don't really know how they run things, and you get in there and the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushes that onto your desk.
00:34:36.000 Yeah.
00:34:36.000 They want to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay, and you're like, what?
00:34:40.000 Yeah.
00:34:41.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, there's no real, like a fake war?
00:34:44.000 You're making a fake war?
00:34:45.000 Yeah.
00:34:45.000 Like you're faking an attack.
00:34:47.000 And you're like, but how are we going to convince people that they actually killed people? 0.98
00:34:50.000 I go, because we're actually going to kill people. 0.98
00:34:52.000 And then we're gonna blame it on the Cubans. 1.00
00:34:54.000 You're gonna kill Americans? 1.00
00:34:55.000 Wait a minute. 1.00
00:34:56.000 So, you're gonna commit an act of war on America. 0.98
00:35:00.000 Now, to any normal person, I'm sorry, you look at that, you go, that's fucking interesting, man. 0.93
00:35:06.000 Like, that's crazy that our government was willing to do it then. 0.85
00:35:08.000 And then, doesn't it lead to a series of next questions?
00:35:11.000 I'm not saying a series of next beliefs, but questions.
00:35:14.000 If they would do it then, would they do it now?
00:35:16.000 Were they so dirty then, but they've cleaned everything up now?
00:35:19.000 What evidence is there of that?
00:35:20.000 No one was punished.
00:35:21.000 That's the thing.
00:35:22.000 There was no one jailed for that.
00:35:24.000 Well, one guy was punished.
00:35:25.000 Well, one guy.
00:35:25.000 A few times.
00:35:28.000 Yeah, but other than that, no one did time.
00:35:32.000 So everything evolves.
00:35:34.000 And you've got to think that if this is the attitude of the Joint Chiefs and various people behind the scenes in 1962, why are we supposed to assume that that somehow or another is better today?
00:35:47.000 And all of that, all of the kind of like deep state entrenched powers have only gotten more powerful and out of control since then.
00:35:54.000 I mean like this was very new.
00:35:56.000 Like the CIA was created in the 40s.
00:35:59.000 So you got to think at this point in time, this is a fairly new Yeah, like we didn't really like this.
00:36:05.000 This was new.
00:36:06.000 This was supposed the CIA when it was created was supposed to be basically like a newspaper for the president Like the idea was like they're gonna gather information and give it to the president So he has good information good intelligence about what's going on.
00:36:19.000 It wasn't gonna be like some paramilitary organization that goes and launches covert wars all around the world and This grew into this monstrosity that it is today and has been for decades.
00:36:32.000 But anyway, so I was making this point to Brian Stelter that it's like – and then I said on air at one point – I used the example.
00:36:38.000 I go, Obama signed into law in the National Defense Authorization Act of whatever year it was.
00:36:44.000 I think it was 2011. I might be wrong about the year.
00:36:46.000 But it was one of the NDAA acts that Obama signed into law had the provision that you could detain American citizens without charges and hold them indefinitely.
00:36:55.000 And Obama noticed that provision himself because he added a signing statement to it that said, my administration does not plan on doing this.
00:37:03.000 We would never use that.
00:37:04.000 We wouldn't use it.
00:37:05.000 But I'm signing it into law still.
00:37:07.000 And I go, that is dangerous.
00:37:10.000 And at one point I said, this was on air, at one point I said to Brian Stelter, I go, now listen, the fact that people don't trust the media and that there's all these conspiracies in plain sight that aren't reported on, this manifests itself in silly things, sometimes like some video saying the Parkland...
00:37:28.000 You know, school shooting was crisis actors and didn't happen.
00:37:31.000 And he corrected me, quite outraged, and said, it's not just silly. 0.96
00:37:35.000 It's not just silly. 0.95
00:37:36.000 It's dangerous. 0.59
00:37:37.000 And I said to him, I go, what's much more dangerous is the president of the United States signing into law the right to detain American citizens without charges and hold them indefinitely and a media who doesn't cover it.
00:37:49.000 And, you know, it's much more dangerous as weapons of mass destruction are being created by Saddam Hussein that leads us into war with Iraq.
00:37:56.000 And I just don't understand.
00:37:59.000 It's almost like I don't know if those guys are, like, being intentionally dishonest, but I don't understand how you couldn't think that through and realize it.
00:38:06.000 I think they are.
00:38:07.000 I think there's a bridge they won't cross.
00:38:11.000 Yeah.
00:38:11.000 There's a bridge they won't cross where certain things they won't discuss.
00:38:14.000 They're too problematic and they just leave them alone.
00:38:17.000 And then they'll focus instead on things that are easy to digest and that a lot of people will agree with.
00:38:23.000 Yeah, but the result of that has been What?
00:38:26.000 That the trust in media has completely collapsed, their viewership has completely collapsed, and now they're furious that you, you know, they're like on some show on CNN, talking about how dangerous you are, and this show on CNN, you probably have Easily 20 times more people listening to your show than theirs.
00:38:47.000 So that's the result of all of this.
00:38:49.000 We have news groups.
00:38:50.000 We have a lot of people working behind us.
00:38:52.000 We have reporters.
00:38:53.000 We have people who study.
00:38:55.000 I've got Jamie.
00:38:56.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:38:57.000 I've got Jamie and Google.
00:38:58.000 He's one-handed Google.
00:38:59.000 He's not even using two hands.
00:39:01.000 And he's better, and he's beating all of those guys.
00:39:04.000 He's getting you real-time information much quicker than those guys have.
00:39:08.000 Sometimes it's confusing, like Google's confusing. 0.99
00:39:11.000 I prefer he uses DuckDuckGo, but that fuck, he's sticking with the Google. 0.98
00:39:16.000 For people who don't know, Jamie really runs the show here. 0.99
00:39:18.000 What's that?
00:39:19.000 I know how to use it.
00:39:21.000 It's not hard to use DuckDuckGo.
00:39:23.000 Jamie doesn't have time to figure out DuckDuckGo.
00:39:25.000 He's a busy man.
00:39:26.000 It's my default search engine, sir.
00:39:28.000 Well, you do get stuff on there that you can't find on Google.
00:39:31.000 Oh, yeah.
00:39:31.000 Yeah, you want to look up some nefarious stuff?
00:39:34.000 That's the place to look.
00:39:36.000 Yeah.
00:39:36.000 I can find that, too.
00:39:39.000 But it's unbelievable.
00:39:40.000 And so my guess, even back to what you were saying before, my suspicion is that it's part that people are very insulated in their world, and they kind of have this thing where it's like, Well, everyone agrees with this, because everyone they talk to agrees with this.
00:39:53.000 That's an issue with New York and L.A. in particular.
00:39:56.000 Yes, that's very true.
00:39:57.000 And then within those circles, within New York and L.A., they're not even getting out there and talking to firefighters in Staten Island.
00:40:04.000 You know what I mean?
00:40:05.000 They're in the Upper West Side or something.
00:40:08.000 And so there's that.
00:40:09.000 And then I think there's also a lot of these...
00:40:14.000 Like these games, the corporate press game, the politics game, like all of these, the bureaucrat game, they tend to be a magnet and then they tend to be an area where very dishonest,
00:40:29.000 narcissistic people, like they're drawn in and they rise up.
00:40:33.000 Those are the people who are like drawn in and those are the people who are rewarded by those systems.
00:40:37.000 So you get a lot of those people.
00:40:38.000 And then on top of that, I think there is some blatant, flat out, lying, corrupt people who are straight up in bed with big corporate interests who are there to do their bidding and know exactly what they're doing.
00:40:53.000 Like they might be maybe working with intelligence agencies or they might be working with whatever, pharmaceutical companies or things like that and they have an agenda and they are just lying.
00:41:05.000 Now I'm not saying that's everybody, but I'm saying those people exist as well.
00:41:09.000 That people like It's—there are people there—I mean, you see these think tanks that, like, are funded by weapons companies that push for every single military—like, every single military intervention.
00:41:24.000 Now, I refuse to believe that this is all just the fact that, like, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin really believe it's a noble cause to fund a think tank that wants to push for military intervention.
00:41:36.000 I think there's corruption there.
00:41:38.000 I mean, I don't think that's too, you know, crazy of a reach.
00:41:41.000 If you want to be a part of that system, there's rules.
00:41:45.000 Like if you want to be a part of the CNN system or the MSNBC system, there's rules.
00:41:50.000 There's rules in the way you communicate.
00:41:52.000 You don't have free reign.
00:41:54.000 And it's a problem.
00:41:55.000 That's why people like Crystal Ball and Saga and Jetty are thriving.
00:42:00.000 That's why their Breaking Points show is killing it.
00:42:03.000 Yeah.
00:42:03.000 That's why Kyle Kalinske is killing it.
00:42:05.000 It's like Jimmy Dore is killing it.
00:42:08.000 Because people believe them.
00:42:10.000 And they'll give you uncensored, unfiltered, honest information.
00:42:17.000 And their real opinions on Well, that's it, though.
00:42:20.000 It's like people have the perception, much like with you, all those guys you just named, that they're not lying to them.
00:42:26.000 And the reason is because they are not lying to them.
00:42:29.000 That doesn't mean they get everything right, but it means that they're not intentionally deceiving you.
00:42:35.000 And there's no one behind them pulling their strings.
00:42:38.000 When Crystal and Sagar went live, that was a very important moment.
00:42:41.000 Because it wasn't like The Hill was holding them back.
00:42:44.000 And I think Rising on the Hill, the show they do now, is excellent.
00:42:47.000 It's still very good.
00:42:48.000 I love it a lot.
00:42:49.000 I still watch it.
00:42:51.000 I think they do a really good job.
00:42:53.000 The Hill is a really...
00:42:54.000 As far as structures, I mean, it's kind of a corporate structure that disseminates the news.
00:43:00.000 It's very good.
00:43:01.000 It's probably the best one.
00:43:03.000 Outside of these independents.
00:43:05.000 But to be an independent in today's day, it's hard.
00:43:10.000 It's a sneaky thing.
00:43:12.000 You have to find your way through the Salmon River and climb up the net.
00:43:17.000 You've got to get through somehow.
00:43:19.000 You've got to climb up the ladder.
00:43:20.000 It's hard.
00:43:21.000 It's not an easy thing to do, and that's one of the reasons why I try to boost their signal, like Matt Taibbi or Glenn Greenwald or anybody that's a legitimate, independent journalist that I think is doing really good work.
00:43:33.000 You've got to highlight these people.
00:43:36.000 This is what we need to be paying attention to. 0.96
00:43:38.000 And guys who work for big companies, like Josh Rogan, who's legit as fuck, who works for The Washington Post. 0.97
00:43:43.000 These people are out there. 0.98
00:43:45.000 They're real.
00:43:45.000 They're out there, and you can trust them.
00:43:47.000 Yeah, there's still a few people out there who are doing really incredible work.
00:43:52.000 They're so valuable.
00:43:52.000 They are, but they're few and far between.
00:43:55.000 But there are those people out there, and I think Glenn Greenwald is a great example.
00:43:59.000 Matt Taibbi is a great example.
00:44:01.000 They're two of the best examples.
00:44:02.000 Aaron Mateo.
00:44:20.000 Who runs that?
00:44:22.000 Scott Horton, the great Scott Horton, who's an Austinite.
00:44:25.000 Oh, is he?
00:44:26.000 He lives here?
00:44:27.000 Yeah, I gave you his book on Afghanistan back in the day.
00:44:31.000 He just wrote a new book called Enough Already, which is like a history of all the terror wars.
00:44:36.000 If you want to read one book and understand what's going on with all the wars, read Enough Already.
00:44:41.000 It's incredible.
00:44:42.000 Scott Horton is a genius.
00:44:44.000 Did you give me it back in LA? Huh?
00:44:46.000 Did you give me the book back in LA? Yeah, it was back in LA. Studio library.
00:44:50.000 It's still in LA. Yeah.
00:44:51.000 Well, we're going back to get it.
00:44:53.000 We're going back to scoop up most of the studio, bring it back to here, because the gym is moving next door.
00:45:00.000 Oh, yeah.
00:45:01.000 Have you been?
00:45:01.000 Been next door?
00:45:02.000 No, I don't think so.
00:45:03.000 Oh, boy.
00:45:04.000 Oh, you're expanding this into... 0.99
00:45:05.000 It's fucking wild, dude. 0.99
00:45:06.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:45:06.000 Oh, here we go. 0.99
00:45:08.000 Yeah.
00:45:08.000 Yeah, we got...
00:45:09.000 A lot of wild shit. 1.00
00:45:10.000 We got a yoga room. 1.00
00:45:12.000 Oh, jeez.
00:45:13.000 So you're turning this into more what the L.A. thing was?
00:45:16.000 Bigger.
00:45:16.000 Way bigger.
00:45:17.000 Twice as big.
00:45:18.000 Oh, okay.
00:45:18.000 There you go.
00:45:19.000 We got a lot of wild shit here. 1.00
00:45:21.000 Throughout the years, it always gets like crazier and crazier. 0.99
00:45:23.000 I remember the first time I ever did the show.
00:45:26.000 It was before the Crazy Huge one in L.A. It was like the original studio out there.
00:45:33.000 And it was real like...
00:45:35.000 You know, you didn't know exactly.
00:45:37.000 It wasn't clear where the studio was.
00:45:39.000 And I was looking it up and trying to find it from the address.
00:45:41.000 And I walk in and I knock on the door and no one's out in that first room.
00:45:46.000 And then I just push and the doors open, you know, and I'm like, I'm nervous.
00:45:49.000 I'm coming to do Joe Rogan experience for the first time ever.
00:45:51.000 And I just walk in and I was unsure if I was in the right place or just walking in.
00:45:54.000 I'm like...
00:45:55.000 Hello?
00:45:56.000 And then I look over and just see the big Wolverine.
00:45:58.000 Werewolf.
00:45:59.000 The werewolf.
00:46:00.000 I think I'm in the right place.
00:46:01.000 We got a new werewolf coming too.
00:46:03.000 Look at you.
00:46:04.000 Pat McGee made a new one with all hair.
00:46:07.000 The other one was like fake hair, some of it, and some of it's real hair.
00:46:09.000 The new one's all hair.
00:46:12.000 It uses yak hair. 0.89
00:46:14.000 You've done something really incredible here, Joe.
00:46:17.000 I don't know.
00:46:18.000 I don't exactly understand it, but it is incredible.
00:46:21.000 Just do what you like.
00:46:22.000 Yeah.
00:46:23.000 Yeah.
00:46:24.000 There's something just really like a...
00:46:27.000 One of the things I find really interesting right is like in the push to I guess the push is to Shut you up is more or less that from the Surgeon General to Brian Stelter to all of the people who are like, you know Whatever the all the the artists and all this stuff who are like,
00:46:45.000 you know, whatever want you de-platformed or something like that It's like okay, so even theoretically let's say they got you and Which they're not going to.
00:46:56.000 But even theoretically, if they did, it's like, is that really the problem?
00:47:00.000 What do you do with your audience?
00:47:04.000 Do they think if you just stopped doing this, if you just quit tomorrow, then everybody who listens to you would just go, okay, I guess we'll just listen to Brian Stelter now.
00:47:11.000 I guess we'll walk right back into that world.
00:47:14.000 Well, the thing is, they've been able to silence some people.
00:47:17.000 They were able to silence Milo.
00:47:19.000 Like Milo doesn't exist anymore.
00:47:21.000 He was removed from the public conversation.
00:47:23.000 Which is wild because if you go back to like 2016, was it?
00:47:27.000 Like what was the year where Milo was everywhere?
00:47:31.000 I think 16 was really the year and then maybe 2017. He was a phenomenon.
00:47:35.000 And he had a crazy in that he was a gay guy who was... 0.99
00:47:43.000 Like, really right-wing, but also really fuckin' smart. 0.98
00:47:48.000 Like, he was on Bill Maher, right? 0.95
00:47:49.000 Remember when he was on Bill Maher and Bill Maher was comparing him with Christopher Hitchens?
00:47:52.000 He went on...
00:47:53.000 That was a...
00:47:54.000 It was shortly after that that he got taken down.
00:47:56.000 Because he went on Bill Maher and he killed it.
00:47:59.000 On Bill Maher.
00:48:00.000 And I think that was almost like the moment where it was like, oof, we better do something.
00:48:06.000 Well, I think there was a lot of things happening, but it was the Leslie Jones thing. 0.97
00:48:10.000 It was the Leslie Jones thing because she was in Ghostbusters, and he had said some mean shit about her and called her ugly or something like that, and maybe some racial stuff, and then there was a bunch of people... 0.93
00:48:36.000 I think we're good to go. 0.97
00:48:38.000 My perspective on that was like he was...
00:48:40.000 What organization was he working?
00:48:43.000 Was it Daily Wire?
00:48:45.000 No, he was originally with Breitbart, I believe.
00:48:47.000 And then I think he left them at some point.
00:48:49.000 That's right, it was Breitbart.
00:48:50.000 Daily Wire is...
00:48:51.000 Sorry, Ben.
00:48:52.000 Ben Shapiro.
00:48:52.000 In fact, I think Ben Shapiro and him had a real beef, I believe.
00:48:57.000 Well, Ben Shapiro was the subject... 0.99
00:48:58.000 One of the people who want to say that Ben Shapiro's a fucking Nazi or he's alt, right? 0.99
00:49:01.000 He was the subject of the most anti-Semitic attacks. 1.00
00:49:06.000 No, he's a Nazi. 0.98
00:49:07.000 That little hat's a Nazi. 0.90
00:49:08.000 That's what the Nazis were, Joe. 0.71
00:49:10.000 It was like for a whole year.
00:49:12.000 All right, Whoopi.
00:49:12.000 Actually, this is...
00:49:13.000 The Whoopi thing, first of all, I 100% support Whoopi's ability to express incorrect opinions.
00:49:22.000 Yeah.
00:49:23.000 I don't think she should have been removed from that show at all.
00:49:25.000 Even though those ladies try to de-platform me all the time, I don't think they should be de-platformed. 1.00
00:49:30.000 I think the best way to counter bad opinions is with good opinions.
00:49:35.000 And I don't think there's anything wrong with someone expressing...
00:49:38.000 And I don't think what she said was so ridiculously outrageous.
00:49:44.000 I understand her perspective.
00:49:47.000 I don't agree with it at all.
00:49:50.000 And also, historically, it's incorrect.
00:49:52.000 Literally, Hitler was trying to create the ultimate race. 0.86
00:49:55.000 Saying that it's not about race, that is everything it was about.
00:50:00.000 Right, so it certainly was from the Nazis' perspective, and it certainly was from the Jews' perspective.
00:50:05.000 Both groups considered themselves a separate race.
00:50:10.000 Look, I'm Jewish, and my grandfather escaped Nazi Germany, and the rest of my family was all slaughtered there.
00:50:16.000 So on behalf of Jews, I forgive Whoopi Kohlberg.
00:50:19.000 Ari's dad is tattooed.
00:50:20.000 But it also wasn't...
00:50:21.000 The thing is...
00:50:21.000 Yeah, I know.
00:50:22.000 It's not...
00:50:23.000 The problem here is that there's no, like, sanity or nuance.
00:50:27.000 So it's almost like if she said the wrong thing, then we have to treat that...
00:50:32.000 Like, as if there's no difference between if you said...
00:50:34.000 I don't think it was a racial issue, I just think it was an issue about humanity and how evil men can be, is what she said.
00:50:40.000 So if you said that, or if you said, I don't think the Holocaust ever happened, or if you said, I believe the Holocaust happened and I wish it would happen again. 1.00
00:50:48.000 As if there's no difference.
00:50:50.000 Between those three things.
00:50:51.000 You know what I mean?
00:50:52.000 Exactly.
00:50:53.000 We treat all of them, it's like, well, you misstepped when speaking about the Holocaust, therefore go away. 0.96
00:50:58.000 So what she said was inaccurate, but it wasn't malicious, and it wasn't like an I hate Jewish people type thing.
00:51:05.000 And then the next day she goes, eh, I got that wrong.
00:51:08.000 I was wrong about that.
00:51:09.000 I apologize.
00:51:10.000 Any sane world would go, thank you.
00:51:14.000 Yeah.
00:51:14.000 I appreciate that.
00:51:15.000 And that's how we work things out.
00:51:16.000 When a prominent person like Whoopi Goldberg has a misstep and then corrects herself and apologizes, then we all get to understand things.
00:51:23.000 The correct way to handle that is to leave her on the air and have more discussions about it.
00:51:28.000 Maybe have Barry Weiss come on, or maybe have another Jewish scholar come on.
00:51:33.000 Have someone come on and say, well, this is why this was offensive to other people, and I'm sure she would be apologetic.
00:51:39.000 She's not a bad person.
00:51:40.000 She's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination.
00:51:42.000 She's trying to express herself, but her perspective, which was, it's personally oriented on being a woman who's experienced racism towards black people.
00:51:53.000 So she's looking at it like these are white people, and then the Germans are white people too.
00:51:57.000 Which is understandable.
00:51:59.000 You could understand where, from a black woman's perspective, who doesn't know what she's talking about. 0.98
00:52:04.000 Now, she shouldn't have acted like she knew what she was talking about, but whatever.
00:52:06.000 But that's what they do.
00:52:07.000 That's their business model.
00:52:09.000 90% of people do, as you know.
00:52:11.000 But where you would look at them and go, but they're all white, so how could this be a racial issue?
00:52:17.000 The other thing that's interesting is that it's like, do you consider Jewish people to be a separate race?
00:52:24.000 Because if not, if you say Jews are white, then technically... 0.63
00:52:30.000 You could argue that Whoopi Goldberg was correct, even though the Nazis believed they were a different race and the Jews believed they were a different race. 0.91
00:52:37.000 If you think they're all white, you go, they were both wrong. 0.97
00:52:40.000 So it wasn't technically a race issue.
00:52:42.000 But again, this is...
00:52:43.000 To me, I go, if the Nazis' ideology was completely motivated by genetic racialism...
00:52:50.000 So, yeah, I would say the answer there is that yes, at least the perpetrators of the Holocaust were saying that they were doing this, you know, to clean out and create the Aryan nation descendants from Atlas or whatever their weird ideology was. 0.53
00:53:09.000 But I do think that, you know, even talking about like the Milo thing and with a lot of these other guys, One of the things that I really hate and I wish we could fix in America, and I think to be successful, to be a thriving country going forward,
00:53:27.000 we almost need to grapple with this.
00:53:29.000 And this isn't like laws or policy.
00:53:32.000 This is just kind of a spirit of liberty and tolerance that we need in this country where...
00:53:39.000 For me personally, if there's a person, you know, sometimes you have these people who are, like, very contrarian kind of provocateurs, and they might, let's say they say four things, and one of them is, like, kind of interesting, and one of them is, like, blows your mind,
00:53:55.000 and you're like, that is such a good point, like, such a phenomenally good point, and I never thought about things that way.
00:54:00.000 And then they say one thing that you think is dead wrong, and then they say one thing that is wildly offensive and wrong.
00:54:08.000 Now, what the woke police and the cancel mobs will focus on is the one thing that they said that was wildly offensive and wrong, and therefore they should be canceled for that.
00:54:19.000 But to me, I'm like, I like that guy.
00:54:22.000 He says every now and then he'll say something that's really thoughtful and makes me think about things in a different way.
00:54:28.000 And then when he gets something wrong, I can disagree with him.
00:54:30.000 I don't want to cancel people because they occasionally get things wrong.
00:54:35.000 I think that a lot of times those types Are the ones who will hit on a really important truth.
00:54:41.000 Yeah.
00:54:41.000 And that we need them.
00:54:42.000 We need them around.
00:54:43.000 We can't constantly silence them.
00:54:45.000 And you see, even what you were talking about before when you were talking about- Don't you think there's value also in correcting them and finding out what their mistakes were?
00:54:53.000 And also then we get to see how they react.
00:54:55.000 Yes.
00:54:55.000 Because if they have said something that's wildly incorrect and then someone comes along and says, hey, this is why you're wrong, like with the Whoopi Goldberg thing, this is literally about race.
00:55:05.000 They were trying to create a master race. 0.95
00:55:08.000 That was their plan.
00:55:10.000 It had been so stated.
00:55:12.000 Read Mein Kampf.
00:55:14.000 Listen to Hitler's speeches. 0.75
00:55:16.000 He was trying to create a master race.
00:55:18.000 It was race.
00:55:19.000 Just because we're talking about melanin, We're talking about origins of original ancestries.
00:55:28.000 You can't just say it's not about race.
00:55:30.000 But the way to deal with that is not to suspend Whippy Goldberg.
00:55:33.000 Whippy Goldberg shouldn't be suspended.
00:55:35.000 She's not a bad person.
00:55:36.000 She's like anybody that's on TV spitting out hot takes with four people talking over each other. 1.00
00:55:42.000 You're going to say some dumb shit. 1.00
00:55:43.000 They're all talking over each other. 1.00
00:55:45.000 First of all, there's a reason why I have headphones on, so the people know.
00:55:50.000 Because when Dave and I are talking, especially if there's a third person here, it's very easy to talk over each other.
00:55:56.000 You don't want to.
00:55:57.000 And when I hear your voice and my voice at the exact same level, it makes you aware of it, it locks you into the conversation, and you don't talk over each other as much.
00:56:08.000 They don't have that, so they talk over each other constantly.
00:56:11.000 So that creates like a kind of, there's an anxiety to express yourself and like you're under the gun and it's like they also have a time constraint because each segment is only, you know, whatever minutes long because they have to go to commercial.
00:56:23.000 It's not a great place to discuss things that are nuanced.
00:56:28.000 And they don't give each other the room and the space to talk about things.
00:56:32.000 They don't have the time.
00:56:33.000 They need more time. 0.99
00:56:34.000 There's a reason also why this show is three fucking hours long. 0.95
00:56:37.000 Because I feel like there's some things that every now and then you'll run into a subject that needs an hour and a half on its own. 0.96
00:56:43.000 And it needs no interruptions and we need to work things out and talk things through.
00:56:47.000 And even then I might have to revisit it a week from now.
00:56:50.000 Or I might have to talk about it a month from now.
00:56:52.000 And you find out more about people that way.
00:56:55.000 You find out how much they have to say about something.
00:56:58.000 Anyone can come up with a soundbite or repeat a soundbite.
00:57:01.000 And a lot of times in those shows, people aren't even interested in having a discussion like that.
00:57:07.000 They're just trying to get their talking point off.
00:57:10.000 And then, you know, kind of...
00:57:11.000 Drown out anybody else. 0.98
00:57:13.000 But I do, to the point you were making, like, yeah, I think there's real value in those people then being confronted and then seeing how they respond to the thing.
00:57:21.000 But also, it's not...
00:57:22.000 What's important to know is that you don't know necessarily beforehand whether they're right or wrong about that point.
00:57:29.000 Because maybe they're confronted and then they have a really good counter-argument. 0.99
00:57:32.000 And then you go, oh, shit. 0.99
00:57:33.000 Actually, maybe you're right about that. 1.00
00:57:35.000 And so it's just like...
00:57:37.000 This whole thing is going to go in such a bad authoritarian direction, which we're already going in, if you want to say, we decide what the official narrative is, and anybody who goes against that is crushed or silenced or mocked or ridiculed or whatever,
00:57:55.000 and then that's that.
00:57:57.000 Then we just go with what the official, you know, like what the regime decides the talking points of today are.
00:58:04.000 I mean, unless the regime is always right That is a disastrous path.
00:58:09.000 Well, even then, it's not enough information.
00:58:12.000 You need more people communicating.
00:58:15.000 The regime by itself should not be the only people that get to discuss very important, nuanced, complex issues.
00:58:21.000 You need other people.
00:58:22.000 You need different perspectives.
00:58:24.000 You need scholars.
00:58:25.000 You need people that are psychologists.
00:58:27.000 You need people that are, you know, whatever, philosophers.
00:58:30.000 Different perspectives help Give you a mandala of ideas that you can kind of look over the great landscape of thoughts and say, oh, okay.
00:58:41.000 And then find out where you sit into these things.
00:58:43.000 There's people that are very pacifist, very peaceful, very non-confrontational.
00:58:48.000 They look at things very differently than a person who's aggressive, who's maybe too confrontational.
00:58:54.000 Yes, and you need both.
00:58:55.000 Yeah, you need them all.
00:58:57.000 Me and my wife were...
00:59:00.000 This was a couple years ago.
00:59:01.000 This was right before all the COVID stuff.
00:59:02.000 Me and my wife were at a family friend's house having dinner.
00:59:07.000 And she's a college professor.
00:59:09.000 And she had a few of her friends over who were all college professors.
00:59:12.000 And we were in her living room having drinks after dinner.
00:59:16.000 And this one guy, who's a college professor, he leans into me.
00:59:21.000 And kind of like, in a low voice, he goes, you know, I actually agree with a lot of your politics. 1.00
00:59:26.000 And I remember just having this moment of being like, why are you whispering, motherfucker? 1.00
00:59:31.000 Like, we're in our mutual friend's house! 1.00
00:59:34.000 Like, is this a dangerous thing to admit?
00:59:36.000 Yeah, he wants to pay for his Volvo.
00:59:38.000 This guy, by the way, this guy is super smart.
00:59:40.000 Way smarter than me.
00:59:41.000 He's like a really, really smart guy.
00:59:44.000 Like, teaches at a very, like, good university.
00:59:47.000 But there's a personality trait there that's very, like, a little passive.
00:59:52.000 Like, I don't want to rock the boat.
00:59:53.000 And if there is a time when, say, the establishment, let's just say is all pumping the same narrative about, I don't know, for the sake of argument, MRNA vaccines.
01:00:04.000 Who knows what it might be?
01:00:05.000 But if everyone's pumping the same narrative, there's a certain personality type who's going to be willing to stand up and say, I think you guys got this wrong.
01:00:14.000 I think there actually might be something much more to this.
01:00:16.000 And that's not always necessarily just like the smartest person there.
01:00:21.000 It's...
01:00:22.000 Oftentimes someone who has some intelligence but also has the personality to be a little bit confrontational, to be willing to say something outside the box.
01:00:29.000 That's Alex Barenson.
01:00:30.000 Yes.
01:00:30.000 Yes, exactly.
01:00:31.000 And that's also the same type of personality often that will say, like if they get it wrong, We'll say a kind of fucked up thing and get it wrong. 0.91
01:00:40.000 But we need those people. 0.95
01:00:42.000 We need those people.
01:00:43.000 And like you said, you want them to be corrected when they get stuff wrong, but you don't want them to be silenced because when they get stuff right, it's often the most important thing ever that they got right.
01:00:54.000 Yeah, and if you have a business model, like The View, where it's just people giving their opinions, and you punish people for the opinions that you find to be wrong, you're fucking up your own business.
01:01:06.000 That's not the way to handle things.
01:01:08.000 I'm 100% in support of Whoopi Goldberg keeping her job and not being suspended and letting her express herself. 0.98
01:01:14.000 And she's obviously thought through, like, who the fuck is 100%? 0.93
01:01:19.000 Like, there's very few things that you can talk to me about where my opinion is rigid. 0.99
01:01:26.000 Impossible to move.
01:01:28.000 There's a few things.
01:01:30.000 Sure.
01:01:30.000 I mean, really, moral things.
01:01:32.000 Right, right. 0.98
01:01:33.000 Murder and rape and torture. 0.88
01:01:35.000 I'm not going to convince you any of those are okay.
01:01:37.000 Yeah, there's things like genocide and infanticide.
01:01:40.000 Yeah, of course.
01:01:41.000 Of course. 0.99
01:01:42.000 But then when it comes to conversations where people are giving their opinions about things, I feel like you've got to allow people, I'm not the fucking producer of The View, but you've got to allow those women to express themselves, even when they talk shit about me. 0.98
01:01:56.000 Like, express yourself. 0.98
01:01:57.000 It's okay.
01:01:58.000 Like, I'm in support of that.
01:02:00.000 I'm in support of you criticizing me.
01:02:02.000 I don't think you should be silenced.
01:02:04.000 I don't think you should be suspended for saying that something incorrect about, like, the Holocaust.
01:02:09.000 I think someone should come along and correct you, and then you should correct yourself, and then we're good.
01:02:14.000 And then let's keep moving.
01:02:17.000 Okay, so if you had Dr. Gupta on your show and you had Dr. Malone on your show, both making completely contradictory arguments.
01:02:29.000 They see things in a completely different way.
01:02:33.000 If anybody who was a big fan of the episode with Dr. Malone was saying, I think you should have that episode with Dr. Gupta pulled off, I'd be like, that's insane.
01:02:44.000 Even if you agree with this side, that's insane that you shouldn't be able to hear from the other side and what their perspective is.
01:02:52.000 All it takes is a minimal amount of humility and a minimal belief in the free expression of ideas to say, no, what we want to do is have both of them.
01:03:02.000 What would be really awesome is if they were both there together.
01:03:05.000 But the thing is, there's this opinion today where you have to have this thought process that's accepted by a group of people that have deemed this to be the most appropriate or the only opinion that you can have.
01:03:20.000 And anything that varies from that, even if it turns out to be incorrect, there's never a course correction.
01:03:25.000 Like, for instance.
01:03:28.000 The idea of the lab leak, and this is the thing that I brought up in that video where I was talking about misinformation.
01:03:32.000 If you brought up the lab leak eight months ago, eight months ago you'd be removed from social media. 1.00
01:03:36.000 They'd be like, you're a piece of shit. 1.00
01:03:37.000 You wouldn't be able to post on Facebook. 1.00
01:03:40.000 Now, it's on the cover of Newsweek.
01:03:42.000 These things that used to be deemed incorrect are now discussed openly and often.
01:03:49.000 Well, the science changed.
01:03:50.000 Yeah, all the science changed.
01:03:51.000 No, but that's right.
01:03:52.000 I thought that was a great point, and I thought that was a great video that you made.
01:03:56.000 I would have opened it with, you know, dear blood-soaked monsters of the corporate press.
01:04:00.000 Well, I was talking to my friends.
01:04:02.000 I was talking to the regular people out there.
01:04:04.000 No, you're right, and that's, like, a really crucially important point that you made.
01:04:10.000 And, you know, we've had, over the last, what is it, almost two years now, right, of COVID, since March of 2020, this, it's really hard I think for any of us to really express or understand what a profound change has happened to our society.
01:04:33.000 I mean, this is, you know, it's like a friend of mine, someone I really admire very much, Jeff Deist, who's the president of the Mises Institute, which is the greatest institute in the world.
01:04:43.000 Can I spell that?
01:04:44.000 M-I-S-E-S. What is that?
01:04:46.000 Ludwig von Mises, the greatest economist who ever lived.
01:04:49.000 Great classical liberal economist who revolutionized, like, the way people think about economics.
01:04:55.000 And they're, like, this great institution.
01:04:58.000 They really, like, kept his work and the work of Murray Rothbard, who's...
01:05:02.000 Like probably the greatest, the greatest libertarian philosopher in history.
01:05:07.000 They're basically what taught me everything I know is the Mises Institute and I love all those guys.
01:05:12.000 So Jeff Dice is the president of it and he said, he was on my podcast, Part of the Problem, available wherever you get podcasts.
01:05:18.000 And he said, which I really liked, he was like, you know, This really stuck with me.
01:05:23.000 He goes, when you're living through a revolution, you don't necessarily know, oh, the revolution started today.
01:05:29.000 And now I'm in the revolution.
01:05:31.000 And this is five days into the revolution.
01:05:33.000 You know, it's not till like years later that you look back at it and go, oh, I guess that was a revolution.
01:05:38.000 Now, I don't know if that's exactly how you would describe the COVID regime.
01:05:42.000 But in many ways, I think it's changed life more than A traditional revolution would.
01:05:48.000 You know, like if a regime was overthrown by a coup and someone else took power, it certainly wouldn't necessarily upend every single social norm down to like showing your face in public or shaking hands or what you're allowed to do or what the rise of COVID has done has been...
01:06:08.000 It's really, like, unbelievably profound.
01:06:10.000 It's changed everything about our society.
01:06:12.000 And the idea that while this is all happening, you're not allowed to, like, question it, to think about, like, I'm not sure this is the right decision, I think maybe this is wrong, I think maybe we should do this, that all throughout it, these voices have been silenced off of social media,
01:06:30.000 and they've been really demonized in a very aggressive way.
01:06:34.000 And so many of them have turned out to be right.
01:06:37.000 Not all of them were, but the official narrative coming from the regime has been wrong so much.
01:06:44.000 I mean, you know, they talk about spreading COVID disinformation.
01:06:47.000 The entire establishment talking points have been disinformation from the beginning.
01:06:52.000 Down to the biggest one.
01:06:53.000 I mean, lockdowns.
01:06:54.000 They just had this.
01:06:55.000 I'm sure you saw this huge Johns Hopkins study that basically their conclusion was that lockdowns did next to nothing to mitigate COVID deaths and caused far more deaths.
01:07:06.000 And if you talk to objective virologists, like people that understand respiratory viruses, and if you got them alone, like, you got that professor alone, he could say, I really agree with you.
01:07:17.000 They would say the same thing.
01:07:19.000 They would tell you the same thing, like, this is going to spread.
01:07:21.000 You're not going to be able to stop this.
01:07:23.000 This is not something that you can mitigate that easily.
01:07:27.000 And so while the lockdowns were not mitigating the virus, which again, it's not just this one study.
01:07:33.000 I mean, you can see this by looking at the places that had lockdowns versus didn't have lockdowns and the effects.
01:07:37.000 And while they're not doing anything to mitigate the virus, they were destroying people's lives.
01:07:43.000 You look at the suicide numbers.
01:07:46.000 Yeah, well, there's certain deaths of despair numbers that were really high up.
01:07:51.000 But I mean, look, when you look at the, there were, I think it was something like 400,000 small businesses that were closed that will never reopen.
01:07:57.000 75% of LA restaurants at one point were gone.
01:08:00.000 It's every one of those is like somebody's life dream being crushed and the ripple effects from that.
01:08:07.000 Decades of work.
01:08:09.000 Childhood obesity rates have gone up 50% since the beginning of this.
01:08:14.000 Really?
01:08:14.000 I mean, double check me maybe on that number, Jamie, but I believe it was 50% childhood obesity has gone up.
01:08:22.000 Now, this is going to be four generations before you fix the damage that's caused by that.
01:08:28.000 And at the time, when you were opposed to lockdowns, as someone who was opposed to it, at the time, I remember hearing this, you were selfish, you didn't care if grandma died, you just wanted to get a haircut, like all these things, the way people would just be like, completely demonized.
01:08:44.000 When, at the time, we were just making the argument that you're like, first off, you're ushering in totalitarianism, and you're destroying the lives of tens of millions of Americans.
01:08:54.000 I don't think people saw that part, the ushering in totalitarianism.
01:08:57.000 I don't think they equated that because they didn't equate the government being able to mandate your behavior in terms of like whether your business could be open or what have you.
01:09:07.000 They didn't equate that with totalitarianism.
01:09:11.000 They thought it was like a temporary restriction upon your freedoms that is for the greater good of everyone and that's how it was kind of sold.
01:09:20.000 Well, 15 days to flatten the curve was the, you know, the weapons of mass destruction.
01:09:25.000 Obesity in U.S. children increased at an unprecedented rate during the pandemic.
01:09:30.000 Unprecedented.
01:09:54.000 Look at this.
01:09:55.000 Few pediatricians who have been warning since the pandemic began of the likely effects of reduced physical activity and the increased screen time.
01:10:03.000 But the rate of change is striking.
01:10:05.000 The monthly rate of BMI increase nearly doubled to 1.93 times during its pre-pandemic rate.
01:10:12.000 The proportion of U.S. children who are obese was rising at 0.07% a month before the pandemic, but 0.37% a month, five times faster after the virus appeared.
01:10:25.000 Wow.
01:10:26.000 Yeah.
01:10:27.000 Look at this.
01:10:28.000 An estimated 22% of US children and teens were obese last August, up from 19% a year earlier.
01:10:36.000 That's awful.
01:10:37.000 Yes, it's horrific.
01:10:39.000 What exactly is the cost of that?
01:10:41.000 I mean, how do you even measure that?
01:10:42.000 Well, the problem is it's very hard to lose weight.
01:10:45.000 Gaining weight is very easy.
01:10:47.000 And once you become obese as a child, you've put yourself so behind the eight ball now for the rest of life.
01:10:56.000 So, you know, it's almost like it's, you know, the only way to have a perfect study on all of these things would be almost like if you could run the counterfactual, like if you had a time machine, you could run back in time and not do the lockdowns and stuff and then see what happens.
01:11:08.000 And, of course, we can't do that.
01:11:10.000 But the point is just that, like, look, they were wrong.
01:11:13.000 It's almost objectively wrong about the lockdowns.
01:11:16.000 It's so understood that they were wrong now that, let's just put it this way, the Biden administration is blaming the Trump administration for the lockdowns at this point.
01:11:24.000 That's what Jen Psaki said when she was questioned about this study.
01:11:28.000 Oh, well, look, the lockdowns were long.
01:11:29.000 She's like, well, the lockdowns haven't been in the previous administration.
01:11:31.000 It's like, yeah, but it was your guy, Dr. Fauci, who was in there, you know, like pushing them the whole time.
01:11:36.000 But no, they just went, no, no, no, that was the previous administration.
01:11:39.000 Even though Joe Biden was praising Cuomo and praising Newsom and all of the governors who were doing it at the time, they wiped their hands of that.
01:11:46.000 We have nothing to do with that.
01:11:47.000 That's Trump stuff.
01:11:48.000 Okay.
01:11:49.000 So everyone admits they were wrong about that.
01:11:52.000 White House blames Trump for COVID lockdowns.
01:11:54.000 Oh my God, five days ago.
01:11:55.000 Yeah.
01:11:56.000 White House...
01:11:57.000 Jeez, that poor lady can't catch a break. 1.00
01:12:00.000 I bet she would be normal without that job. 1.00
01:12:02.000 That is just not her job.
01:12:04.000 How do they call you spreading misinformation? 0.99
01:12:07.000 They have a professional liar who just goes out and bullshits and spreads misinformation. 0.98
01:12:12.000 That's what the job is. 0.98
01:12:15.000 It's a weird gig, too, because why does she speak for the president?
01:12:19.000 He picked her? 0.74
01:12:20.000 He goes, I think you'd make a good face for a liar?
01:12:23.000 Well, it's also like when Trump was in office.
01:12:26.000 The lady that I really liked at the end, what's her name? 0.99
01:12:30.000 Kylie?
01:12:30.000 No, Kaylee McKinnon.
01:12:32.000 Yes, yes.
01:12:34.000 She was the best at it.
01:12:35.000 She brought receipts.
01:12:36.000 I've met her.
01:12:37.000 She's very nice. 0.99
01:12:37.000 She's a savage. 0.99
01:12:39.000 She's razor sharp. 0.98
01:12:41.000 That lady, she brought receipts. 1.00
01:12:43.000 When they would say something, like Trump said this, she'd be like, interesting.
01:12:46.000 Because on CNN, you said this, and then you said that, and you said this.
01:12:49.000 Good day, sir. 0.95
01:12:50.000 You just see her lick her thumb. 0.99
01:12:54.000 And then she would leave the podium, like, drop the mic.
01:12:57.000 Yeah.
01:12:58.000 She was very good at it.
01:12:59.000 She was.
01:13:01.000 So look, they got the lockdowns completely wrong.
01:13:05.000 They had segments on the news about how to wipe down your groceries.
01:13:10.000 Well, at the time, they thought that was a thing to do, though.
01:13:14.000 That's really where the science changed.
01:13:16.000 No, I'm just saying what they got wrong.
01:13:18.000 Yes, they got that wrong.
01:13:19.000 But I don't think that is categorized as misinformation because it's not like there's contrary information that's better.
01:13:25.000 At that time, they were dealing with the stuff that was coming off of those cruise ships.
01:13:30.000 And one of the things off those cruise ships, they were finding evidence that COVID lived on surfaces for up to 14 days, which is terrifying to people.
01:13:38.000 So that is where the spray things down came from.
01:13:41.000 I completely agree.
01:13:42.000 I do not think that that was a lie.
01:13:44.000 I think that that was something they got wrong.
01:13:47.000 I'm just making the point that it's not as if the official talking points are getting everything right.
01:13:52.000 They're getting a lot of this wrong.
01:13:54.000 And it's hard to know.
01:13:56.000 Not with that.
01:13:56.000 I mean, I trust that that was just they got it wrong.
01:13:59.000 But with a lot of the other things, you never know for sure exactly what they were lying about or what they got wrong with this.
01:14:04.000 But the point is that you can't silence anybody who's saying, I don't think the official, like...
01:14:10.000 The answer to this is correct because you don't know that you're correct.
01:14:13.000 They were wrong about outdoor masking.
01:14:16.000 Turns out they were wrong about indoor masking, at least with the cloth masks, it seems now.
01:14:20.000 That's much more accepted today than ever before.
01:14:23.000 It's on CNN. That was the Lena Wynn thing.
01:14:24.000 She said it over and over again.
01:14:26.000 Yeah.
01:14:26.000 Cloth masks are nothing more than facial decorations.
01:14:29.000 Everybody's like, eh!
01:14:30.000 What?
01:14:31.000 They've also, by the way, Fauci himself has admitted to kind of this noble lie thing.
01:14:36.000 That he would say things that he knew were lies, but because these lies would get the best, you know, response out of them.
01:14:42.000 And in that case, how do you trust anything that the guy has to say?
01:14:46.000 You don't.
01:14:46.000 Right.
01:14:47.000 You don't. 0.99
01:14:47.000 But one thing that masks do do is they let people know that you're not an asshole. 0.99
01:14:52.000 Yeah, you didn't vote for Trump. 0.99
01:14:53.000 No, it's like not even that.
01:14:55.000 It's like you want people to be safe.
01:14:56.000 Like if you walked into a restaurant, I'm not saying now.
01:14:58.000 Like now it's kind of preposterous, but it's still enforced.
01:15:01.000 There was a guy who just got pulled out of some school council meeting.
01:15:04.000 He was a father that was in the audience and he didn't have a mask on.
01:15:07.000 They physically assaulted him and pulled him out of the meeting because he didn't have a mask on.
01:15:11.000 Like, folks, you're looking around at all these people with cloth masks on. 0.89
01:15:15.000 This is nonsense.
01:15:16.000 It's been proven to be nonsense. 0.82
01:15:17.000 We know it's nonsense now.
01:15:18.000 But at one point in time, we didn't know it was nonsense. 1.00
01:15:23.000 And when you go to a restaurant and you wear a mask, people know you were an asshole. 1.00
01:15:27.000 And I think that was a good thing. 1.00
01:15:29.000 It was like a way of like signaling to everybody that you care.
01:15:33.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
01:15:34.000 But I think the problem, we're dealing with these news sources.
01:15:39.000 It's the same kind of problem we're talking about the view and the same kind of problem when they're talking about me is that the answer to like if people more people believe me or trust me or want to listen to me talk the answer is not to silence me the answer is to you to do better the answer is for you to have better arguments when you're on television talking about how I'm taking horse paste and You know that's not true.
01:16:02.000 I'm taking horse dewormer instead of saying which you should have said How did Joe Rogan get better so quick?
01:16:10.000 How come he got COVID that's killing everybody and he was better in five days?
01:16:14.000 Negative in five days, working out in six days.
01:16:16.000 How come?
01:16:17.000 That's never discussed.
01:16:18.000 It's always like, he's taking ivermectin.
01:16:20.000 I think ivermectin was one of the things that I took that did something, but I think really monoclonal antibodies was the big one.
01:16:27.000 And that's the stuff that got Trump better in four days.
01:16:30.000 He wasn't taking ivermectin.
01:16:31.000 I think there's something legitimately really beneficial about monoclonal antibodies that's been proven, but yet they just pulled them.
01:16:37.000 They pulled the authorization for them, which I don't understand that at all.
01:16:40.000 Why don't they discuss that?
01:16:42.000 Why don't they have an expert on explains why, even though there is still a prevalence of Delta cases, they still exist, and monoclonal antibodies are very effective against Delta.
01:16:53.000 Right.
01:16:54.000 So, I mean, all of this is kind of like predicated on the assumption that they're being honest and trying to...
01:16:59.000 Why wouldn't they talk about this?
01:17:01.000 But they should.
01:17:02.000 I agree.
01:17:02.000 This is my perspective.
01:17:03.000 If you're in business, and your business is the news, and you want to get more people to pay attention, you should be honest.
01:17:09.000 And my thoughts for CNN, my advice to them, I don't hate CNN. I used to go to them every day for the news until they started fucking hating on me. 0.97
01:17:17.000 If you want to do better, just fucking change your model. 0.99
01:17:22.000 Change the way you do it. 0.99
01:17:23.000 Stop this editorial perspective with guys like Brian Stelter and Don Lemon that nobody listens to.
01:17:29.000 Nobody is like chiming in saying, oh yeah, finally we get the voice of reason.
01:17:33.000 Nobody thinks that.
01:17:35.000 Have people that give out effective news, objective news rather, and I'll support you.
01:17:40.000 I will turn around 100% and I'll be one of the people that tells people, I saw this on CNN, watch this on CNN. CNN has a different business model.
01:17:50.000 They're just being objective news now.
01:17:52.000 I'm with you.
01:17:53.000 I said this once to Essie Cup and Don Lemon when I was working over there at Turner.
01:18:01.000 And I said to them, and I wasn't even really trying.
01:18:04.000 I don't want to help them.
01:18:06.000 But sometimes you just can't help, like just give your, like, and I said, and this was in 2017, if you can remember the environment back then, and I said, look, if you guys really, you know what you guys could do that would really help?
01:18:16.000 And hear me out, because I know you're not going to like this.
01:18:20.000 Give Trump credit for something.
01:18:23.000 Pick something you like.
01:18:24.000 One thing you've liked.
01:18:25.000 Maybe it was the First Step Act, that criminal justice reform, you know?
01:18:29.000 That way he let some people who were doing life for pot or whatever out of jail.
01:18:32.000 Pick one thing you like and really praise him for it.
01:18:35.000 And then the next time you criticize him, it'll hit much harder.
01:18:40.000 Yes.
01:18:40.000 Because people will be like, well, yeah, look, they give him credit when they think he did something right, and they'll hit him hard when they think he did something wrong.
01:18:46.000 Because what you're doing right now is it's just all day, every day, Trump did the worst thing ever, Trump did, and now people are like, you're just in the business of trying to make him look stupid. 0.99
01:18:54.000 So even if your goal is to make him look stupid, it doesn't have any weight to it. 0.99
01:18:59.000 You know, like, it's not gonna, it's not gonna work. 0.99
01:19:01.000 But it's that thing, it's like they're confined by their format.
01:19:05.000 They're confined by their environment.
01:19:07.000 They're confined by these small segments that last for seven minutes or whatever it is in between commercials.
01:19:13.000 They have producers that are overlooking everything they say.
01:19:16.000 You don't get a real, like an honest perspective.
01:19:20.000 You get a corporate perspective.
01:19:22.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:19:23.000 There's a mandate.
01:19:24.000 Or rather, there's a format that they're trying to...
01:19:30.000 Make sure that everybody abides by, and then there's a narrative that you have to follow.
01:19:35.000 Well, the thing that's crazy, too, is that, you know, and you were saying if they were going to tell the truth or be honest, is that...
01:19:41.000 So the last time I was on the show, Becca...
01:19:45.000 It was in April, I think, of 2021. We had that clip that went viral that Fauci called you out for.
01:19:54.000 And I was re-watching it the other day, watching the clip and then watching his response to it.
01:19:59.000 And it's funny, and it's funny thinking about this with the childhood obesity numbers that we were just looking at and all this stuff.
01:20:04.000 And basically what you said was you go, you know, if you're a 20-year-old healthy person, what I'd advise you to do with COVID is make sure you're still really healthy.
01:20:14.000 Right?
01:20:14.000 Make sure you're getting a lot of exercise in the sunlight.
01:20:18.000 Now, you said, I don't know if you need the vaccine.
01:20:19.000 It's like, what's really important is you being really healthy.
01:20:21.000 This was the spirit of what you said.
01:20:24.000 And Fauci's response to this, which I was literally just listening to the other day, does not age well.
01:20:31.000 It's really, first off, he said, he goes, he's like, no, Joe Rogan, what you don't understand is that you get the vaccine to protect other people.
01:20:39.000 Because if you get it, you can't spread it.
01:20:41.000 You know, and you're like, well, hmm, that didn't age so well.
01:20:43.000 And then he says at one point, he goes, if you don't get the vaccine, and this is almost word for word, what he said.
01:20:49.000 You could pull up this clip, Fauci responds to Joe Rogan and see it.
01:20:52.000 But it was almost word for word what he said was, he goes, if you're a healthy 20-year-old and you get COVID, We're good to go.
01:21:15.000 I do not think the science backs up the idea that someone with no symptoms will likely spread it to other people.
01:21:21.000 I don't think that's correct.
01:21:22.000 I think you're incorrect.
01:21:23.000 This is what I think happens.
01:21:25.000 I think what is asymptomatic, like categorized as asymptomatic, is you don't feel that bad.
01:21:31.000 And if you don't feel that bad, you can spread it.
01:21:33.000 There's a lot of people with very healthy immune systems, especially young people, that can spread it and they give it to their parents. 0.99
01:21:39.000 Their parents get really fucking sick. 0.98
01:21:41.000 Certainly that does happen. 1.00
01:21:42.000 Or their grandparents get really fucking sick. 0.99
01:21:44.000 And their case is technically asymptomatic because all they have is like a headache. 0.99
01:21:49.000 That's real.
01:21:51.000 Sure.
01:21:51.000 No, listen.
01:21:51.000 Now, that might happen, and I guess those would be mild symptoms, technically, right?
01:21:55.000 If you have, like, some symptoms.
01:21:56.000 But people think of it as asymptomatic because you don't have COVID symptoms.
01:21:59.000 Like, you don't have fevers, you're not in the hospital, you're not coughing, you don't have respiratory issues.
01:22:04.000 You can easily give it to someone and have the most mild of symptoms.
01:22:08.000 Like, here's something that I need to correct, okay?
01:22:10.000 Or I need to express myself on this.
01:22:12.000 Because a lot of people think that I think COVID's not a big deal.
01:22:15.000 That's not the case at all.
01:22:17.000 I think it's a very big deal to a lot of people.
01:22:19.000 But it's not a big deal for everybody.
01:22:21.000 It depends entirely upon the individual.
01:22:24.000 And one of my problems with all this whole thing is this enforcement of this one-size-fits-all approach to health.
01:22:31.000 And I just, I don't buy that.
01:22:33.000 Oh, so, by the way, just to be clear, I completely agree with you on that.
01:22:36.000 I mean, COVID is a really nasty virus, and it has killed a lot of people.
01:22:41.000 And if you are sick and have a weakened immune system, if you have comorbidities, you do not want to get this thing.
01:22:47.000 It is very dangerous.
01:22:48.000 Less so with Omicron.
01:22:50.000 But still, it's still dangerous.
01:22:53.000 And so that's, I completely agree with you on that.
01:22:55.000 I'm just saying that, look, first of all, the claim was, if you want to talk about bad information that may have led to real damage in COVID, Joe Biden, the President of the United States, straight up said, if you get the vaccines, you will not get or spread COVID. How about Rachel Maddow?
01:23:11.000 You remember?
01:23:11.000 Rachel Maddow said, we know for a fact, this is it now.
01:23:14.000 You get the vaccine, it stops with you.
01:23:16.000 It doesn't go on.
01:23:17.000 Now, think about this, and I don't know exactly, I don't know if anyone can measure these numbers.
01:23:21.000 How many people got these vaccines, like, when they first came out, and then thought to themselves, well, I can't get COVID now, maybe had, what you're saying, the sniffles, had mild symptoms, and went, well, it can't possibly be COVID, because I'm vaccinated, and went and spread that to a whole bunch of people.
01:23:35.000 So, I'm not saying, like, I've been talking about COVID and the COVID regime for, like, basically two years on my podcast.
01:23:41.000 I'm sure I've gotten some things wrong.
01:23:44.000 You know, I'm not saying you haven't gotten some things wrong and, like, maybe, like, that's true.
01:23:48.000 But for anyone to be pointing the finger, like, you got things wrong and this is dangerous and led to all of this, like, the most catastrophically wrong things that have really led to real-world...
01:24:00.000 We're good to go.
01:24:15.000 If you're 91 and you have several health problems, but you would have lived till, say, 95 and you get COVID and die at 91, I mean, that's awful.
01:24:25.000 That's awful.
01:24:26.000 That person might have had four more years with their grandchildren and their children and all of that.
01:24:31.000 It's a horrible thing.
01:24:32.000 And it's terrible.
01:24:34.000 Anyway, just to make that clear, I agree with you.
01:24:36.000 It's a nasty virus.
01:24:37.000 I'm just more concerned with the totalitarian regimes that are sweeping the entire Western world.
01:24:42.000 That's the problem, right?
01:24:44.000 The real problem is that once you give governments power, they don't give it back.
01:24:48.000 They don't want to give it back.
01:24:49.000 What's fascinating to me is watching what's going on in Canada right now, because the truckers have taken over Ottawa, right?
01:24:56.000 They've just overwhelmed Ottawa with thousands and thousands of trucks.
01:25:00.000 And so now they have these laws where you're not allowed to refuel them, you're not allowed to give them food.
01:25:06.000 GoFundMe tried to steal the money.
01:25:09.000 Yeah.
01:25:09.000 Which is wild.
01:25:11.000 They got 10 million dollars in donations for the truckers and GoFundMe thought it would be great if they gave that money to the charities of their choice. 0.93
01:25:19.000 You fucking imagine the gall The gall of that, after they, listen, I'm not saying they shouldn't have supported Black Lives Matter.
01:25:28.000 I think you should support, I think GoFundMe should be available to anyone who wants to use it for anything where people can argue that it's a good cause. 0.98
01:25:37.000 And the Ottawa truckers, a lot of people think that's a good cause.
01:25:41.000 Black Lives Matter, a lot of people thought that was a good cause.
01:25:43.000 The fact that you can make a distinction between one and the other, if they had taken all the money that was donated to Black Lives Matter and they said, you know what?
01:25:50.000 We don't agree with this.
01:25:51.000 We're going to give it away to the charities that we choose. 1.00
01:25:53.000 You'd be like, fuck you, you are! 1.00
01:25:55.000 People would go goddamn crazy. 1.00
01:25:57.000 And a charity that's kind of like, even though they shouldn't be opposed to each other, but that's just on the other side of the political aisle. 0.98
01:26:04.000 If you went, oh, Black Lives Matter, we're actually going to give that money to some pro-life charity or something like that.
01:26:09.000 In Quebec, you can't buy groceries unless you're vaccinated.
01:26:14.000 We need to look at this and make sure this is true.
01:26:17.000 But when you get to that...
01:26:18.000 I know someone was telling us this last night.
01:26:20.000 He is a Canadian, so he might be right about that, but that is...
01:26:24.000 Yeah, see, make sure that's true.
01:26:26.000 Yeah, let's make sure that's true.
01:26:28.000 It's wild.
01:26:29.000 And the way Trudeau talks about people who are unvaccinated, the way he said that they're misogynists and rapists, or racists, he said they were misogynists and racists and You're in the demonized class all of a sudden.
01:26:46.000 You're taking people that have a perspective on a medical intervention and you're deciding that you're gonna demonize them in the worst possible ways with no evidence.
01:27:01.000 And isn't it something that so many of these people, like say the nurses who are unvaccinated, the truck drivers who don't like the mandates, that they were the heroes.
01:27:10.000 These were the essential workers.
01:27:12.000 The healthcare workers.
01:27:13.000 These were the people in New York City, they were clapping at 6pm every day for these workers.
01:27:17.000 And those same...
01:27:17.000 They'll be nurses who worked through a year and a half of the pandemic.
01:27:22.000 And they didn't want to get the shot?
01:27:23.000 And didn't want to get the shot.
01:27:24.000 And now all of a sudden, these are the...
01:27:26.000 You're out of there.
01:27:27.000 Not only that, the CDC has shown that these nurses, which most of them got COVID. I'll say this.
01:27:33.000 If you were working through the pandemic the whole time, 100% of them either got COVID or learned how to protect themselves from getting COVID. There's no other option there, right?
01:27:42.000 It has to be one.
01:27:43.000 Literally around COVID-positive patients all day long.
01:27:46.000 But we're learning from this, from this whole pandemic, is not just about authoritarianism and a lot of the issues that we're dealing with about ideologies and how rigid people are, but also about how fragile our civilization truly is when confronted with any kind of adversity.
01:28:05.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.
01:28:07.000 People are so fragile, and most people, they rely upon existing structures, whether it's the office they work at, whether it's the neighborhood they're in.
01:28:19.000 They rely on these sort of structures in order to have any semblance of normalcy in life.
01:28:26.000 And when forced upon themselves to be confronted with The unknown, to be confronted with open-ended possibilities and having to make moral and ethical decisions based on your values and how you feel about people, not based on whether people want you to condemn someone for their choices or attack people for choices.
01:28:48.000 I know a lot of people that hate people that have been vaccinated.
01:28:52.000 Do you know how crazy that...
01:28:53.000 I don't know him personally, but I mean people online, I've seen them.
01:28:56.000 Like attacking people.
01:28:57.000 Like they attack Trump.
01:28:58.000 They boo Trump.
01:28:59.000 Because he talks about how you should get vaccinated.
01:29:01.000 I got it.
01:29:01.000 You should get it.
01:29:02.000 I think you should get it.
01:29:03.000 It's a good thing.
01:29:03.000 And they're like...
01:29:04.000 I thought that was so interesting though.
01:29:06.000 Just like the politics of it.
01:29:08.000 It was so interesting to see Trump losing...
01:29:11.000 His base and then like how he handles that and then he's caught between this thing where like Donald Trump's like like he's got the narrative in his head figured out he's like well I did the vaccines and I'm the greatest so that's the greatest and I get all the credit but then he's losing his people.
01:29:26.000 Unvaccinated to be accommodated at all times in Canadian Walmarts, Costcos to ensure they're buying pharmacy products only.
01:29:33.000 What?
01:29:34.000 Accompanied, excuse me.
01:29:35.000 Unvaccinated to be accompanied at all times. 0.97
01:29:37.000 So to make sure they're not getting food?
01:29:39.000 Yes.
01:29:39.000 They have to buy pharmacy products only.
01:29:42.000 So how do they eat?
01:29:43.000 Well, I don't know.
01:29:44.000 But in Quebec, that's what this guy was saying.
01:29:47.000 In Quebec, you can't go to a grocery store unless you're vaccinated.
01:29:51.000 Vaccine passports to enter the vicinity went into effect on Monday.
01:29:55.000 This mandate includes all businesses with surfaces.
01:29:58.000 But here today...
01:30:00.000 Today, in Alberta, I think they dropped their vaccine mandates.
01:30:04.000 And I think this is in response to the truckers.
01:30:06.000 That's interesting.
01:30:08.000 Yeah.
01:30:08.000 Truckers are...
01:30:09.000 You don't want to fuck with truckers, man. 1.00
01:30:11.000 You need them to get your stuff. 1.00
01:30:13.000 We really all are...
01:30:14.000 We like to be very remote.
01:30:15.000 Yeah.
01:30:17.000 My father-in-law is a trucker, so I know a little bit about the trucking world.
01:30:22.000 He's a great guy, by the way.
01:30:23.000 One of the smartest people I know, too.
01:30:24.000 And he's a trucker, and all his friends are truckers and stuff.
01:30:28.000 So I kind of, just from marrying my wife, and he's my father-in-law, I kind of know about that world a little bit.
01:30:33.000 But it's unbelievable how easy it is to not even kind of think about it.
01:30:37.000 Not even think about how vital this is.
01:30:39.000 Like, I don't know what you're talking about.
01:30:40.000 I go on my computer, I order a thing, and it's here.
01:30:42.000 There were no trucks involved.
01:30:43.000 Someone drives it, bro.
01:30:44.000 But then you get out on the highway and you're like, what are all these big cars everywhere?
01:30:48.000 You're like, no, that's the whole thing. 0.97
01:30:51.000 As much technology as we have, this entire economy is all still built off shit being trucked from one place to another. 0.93
01:30:59.000 That's how your gasoline gets to the gas station. 0.97
01:31:02.000 That's how your food gets to the grocery store.
01:31:04.000 It's a big deal.
01:31:05.000 Yeah, this is a different thing, though, Jamie.
01:31:07.000 I want you to pull up Alberta drops vaccine mandate or mask mandate.
01:31:14.000 It's not.
01:31:14.000 It's harder to find that.
01:31:16.000 Because you're on Google, bitch. 1.00
01:31:17.000 Get on DuckDuckGo. 1.00
01:31:18.000 You'll find it right away.
01:31:19.000 DuckDuckGo was on this weeks ago.
01:31:21.000 You want me to Google it on DuckDuckGo?
01:31:22.000 DuckDuckGo it? 0.99
01:31:23.000 Well, Jamie, you can't Google it on DuckDuckGo.
01:31:25.000 You have to DuckDuckGo your way there.
01:31:27.000 He's so Googled.
01:31:28.000 He's so corporate.
01:31:29.000 I think Jamie's been secretly sponsored by Google.
01:31:31.000 You know DuckDuckGo is also compromised.
01:31:33.000 Oh! 0.60
01:31:34.000 I'm just saying.
01:31:35.000 I'm not the first person to...
01:31:36.000 You're going to throw that accusation?
01:31:37.000 You're going to besmirch the good name of DuckDuckGo right here?
01:31:41.000 Um, Alberta.
01:31:43.000 Canada.
01:31:44.000 Truckers.
01:31:47.000 Same stores pop up.
01:31:50.000 Canadian provinces begin backing off vaccine mandates.
01:31:54.000 Hmm.
01:31:54.000 Jamie.
01:31:55.000 Begin?
01:31:56.000 What does that mean?
01:31:58.000 Alberta caves to trucker protest ends vaccine.
01:32:02.000 Click on that one.
01:32:03.000 Washington Times.
01:32:04.000 Alberta caves to Canada trucker protest ends vaccine passports.
01:32:10.000 That's what I said.
01:32:12.000 Get off of Google!
01:32:14.000 The Washington Times, I don't know that that's the number one source of my first choice.
01:32:19.000 Is CNN better?
01:32:21.000 I wouldn't have picked that either.
01:32:23.000 What is the Washington Times?
01:32:24.000 Exactly.
01:32:24.000 Is that even a real newspaper?
01:32:25.000 That's all my point was.
01:32:26.000 I mean, it sounds like a real one.
01:32:27.000 You know how I judge newspapers based on how much you're trying to sell me at the bottom?
01:32:31.000 Like, when it gets to the bottom, do you want to live forever?
01:32:33.000 I look at the sponsored stories and look at the sponsored stories.
01:32:37.000 Yeah, there they go.
01:32:37.000 Okay, look at the sponsored stories.
01:32:38.000 Never Trump, Jonah Goldberg, picked up by CNN after resigning from Fox News.
01:32:43.000 No, it's Biden who's a real SOB. Nancy Pelosi. 0.99
01:32:47.000 Look at the stories they're trying to push, and then you go, all right, what is the headline you're pushing?
01:32:51.000 Well, hold on.
01:32:51.000 These are real stories.
01:32:52.000 Nancy Pelosi's son allegedly tied to fraud and bribery scream.
01:32:55.000 I believe that.
01:32:57.000 Sounds legit.
01:32:57.000 Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez staying off Twitter due to backlash.
01:33:02.000 Is she staying off Twitter? 0.99
01:33:04.000 How the fuck do you know? 0.99
01:33:05.000 How do you know? 1.00
01:33:06.000 You have her phone? 1.00
01:33:07.000 The fuck are you talking about? 1.00
01:33:08.000 I know she's off Twitter because I got her phone. 1.00
01:33:10.000 Fuck. 1.00
01:33:12.000 I'm so tired of talking about this. 1.00
01:33:14.000 I'm so tired of talking about COVID. I'm so tired of talking about the pandemic.
01:33:17.000 One of the things that I really loved about coming here to Texas is they didn't treat it the same way in California.
01:33:22.000 My friends in California are still living in hell.
01:33:25.000 Yeah.
01:33:25.000 I think a lot of people are tired of all of this.
01:33:30.000 You know, like you were saying before, when you're, like, if you're on social media, you have this perspective of the world.
01:33:37.000 Yeah.
01:33:38.000 And then, like, if you remove yourself from that, it's almost like you remind yourself that there's still...
01:33:43.000 There's a regular world.
01:33:43.000 There's real life.
01:33:44.000 There's a real life.
01:33:45.000 You know, it's like when you get on, like...
01:33:48.000 And a lot of people, I think, are really tired of the COVID regime.
01:33:54.000 Like, they just want to go back to normal life. 0.95
01:33:55.000 A lot of people are really tired of the culture war bullshit because so much of it is manufactured and they just want to go back to real life. 0.88
01:34:02.000 You just don't see this as... 0.97
01:34:04.000 I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't exist at all.
01:34:06.000 And I've noticed it in stand-up comedy.
01:34:08.000 That things have changed, particularly in liberal cities.
01:34:13.000 There's certain things, if you talk about trigger audience members more and things like that.
01:34:17.000 But in general in life...
01:34:20.000 You just kind of like you go, you know, you could watch like, you know, social justice warrior type, you know, college campus activists on online and, you know, the fat phobic person we were saying before, and they're all this like white privilege and this and that and all of this.
01:34:34.000 And you're like, oh, my God, there's like all racism is everywhere.
01:34:37.000 And then you like go to the supermarket, you know, like it.
01:34:40.000 Hey, hi, how you doing? 0.64
01:34:41.000 Some black guy steps in front of you and he's like, oh, excuse me. 0.69
01:34:44.000 And you're like, no, you're good, sir. 0.82
01:34:45.000 Can I get a pound of roast beef?
01:34:46.000 Everybody's normal.
01:34:47.000 Where's the peaches?
01:34:50.000 I used to use this example a lot as what I just said, what the free market does to people.
01:34:56.000 Just because I'm Jewish and I lived in New York City, I can literally walk outside.
01:35:01.000 This is before Uber.
01:35:02.000 I used to say this all the time.
01:35:03.000 But you can put your hand up and up. 0.58
01:35:05.000 A yellow cab stops with a Muslim driving. 1.00
01:35:08.000 And I'm a Jew.
01:35:08.000 I just put my hand up.
01:35:10.000 And I get in.
01:35:11.000 And he drives me to where I want to go.
01:35:13.000 And then he goes, thank you, sir.
01:35:14.000 God bless.
01:35:15.000 And I go, thank you, sir.
01:35:15.000 Have a good day.
01:35:16.000 And it's just because, like, well, he wants some money.
01:35:19.000 And I want a ride.
01:35:20.000 And we're all kind of working together.
01:35:22.000 And we might have wildly different views.
01:35:24.000 But we get past it.
01:35:25.000 I like different people.
01:35:27.000 I like talking to a guy who's a Sikh.
01:35:30.000 I like talking to a guy who comes from Scotland.
01:35:34.000 I want different people.
01:35:36.000 It's fun.
01:35:37.000 That's one of the beautiful things about New York City is that it's so filled with...
01:35:41.000 So many different folks, and everybody has to interact with each other. 1.00
01:35:45.000 The thing about LA that fucks everybody up, one of the things, is that everyone's in their goddamn car. 0.98
01:35:50.000 So you're in this isolated environment, and you go to where you're going to go, and you don't ever just melt with everybody. 0.99
01:35:56.000 And New York City, when you're on the street, man, everybody's walking.
01:35:59.000 It's just filled with all kinds of people from all parts of the world.
01:36:04.000 Yeah, it's a crazy thing, but it was a real interesting place to grow up.
01:36:08.000 And I loved New York City.
01:36:11.000 I hope it gets back to being kind of the vibrant city that it once was.
01:36:15.000 How is this Eric Adams guy doing?
01:36:17.000 I think he's terrible so far.
01:36:19.000 Really?
01:36:19.000 Real disappointment.
01:36:20.000 I like the fact that he hired his brother.
01:36:22.000 Gave him a fat job.
01:36:23.000 Yeah, whatever.
01:36:24.000 I think that's fine.
01:36:25.000 His brother's last job was parking cars for like 20 bucks an hour.
01:36:28.000 Now he makes a quarter million a year.
01:36:30.000 What's up?
01:36:30.000 Yeah.
01:36:31.000 Well, there you go.
01:36:31.000 He's taking care of his family.
01:36:33.000 I like that.
01:36:34.000 Now, he doubled down on all the COVID stuff right away, and I think he's just been terrible.
01:36:38.000 Do you think that that wasn't, like, his plan getting into office allegedly, right?
01:36:42.000 Didn't he have, like, a different...
01:36:43.000 I mean, I think he said things that were almost vague enough to not turn the voters who might not have liked that off, but it was, like, right away.
01:36:53.000 That's what he did.
01:36:54.000 But isn't he, like...
01:36:54.000 His thing is he's a former cop.
01:36:56.000 So his thing is to be more tough on crime.
01:36:59.000 And people are very excited about that, right?
01:37:01.000 Well, I think that was one of the big appeals of him because crime has really risen quite a bit over the last couple years in New York.
01:37:08.000 And this is coming off of, you know, New York.
01:37:12.000 You know, like New York, when I... I grew up, you know, I was born in 83, so I grew up in New York in like the 80s and 90s, and New York crime was like a major problem, and it got way, way better.
01:37:22.000 Like my whole life, the crime rate was going down and down and down and down, and then all of a sudden it started coming back, and people were very upset.
01:37:28.000 So I think that was a big part of his appeal, was the kind of like, we're going to take care of street crime.
01:37:33.000 And understandably, people were attracted to that message.
01:37:36.000 But I think it was very, very a bad sign to me that immediately getting in there, the first thing he did was like continue the emergency power acts and the vaccine passport and all that stuff.
01:37:47.000 So I think they're dropping the mask mandates, though.
01:37:50.000 I think that's the new thing in New York City.
01:37:52.000 Oh, I saw that in New Jersey, they're saying they're gonna drop the mask mandates for schools, which is really great news.
01:37:59.000 And I think that's incredible.
01:38:01.000 And it's one of those things that like, you know, I know you just said you're tired of talking about this, but one of the worst things is, you know, masking up kids.
01:38:09.000 I think it's just horrible.
01:38:11.000 It is horrible.
01:38:12.000 I'm wondering what the world's gonna look like in two years from now.
01:38:16.000 I wonder what's gonna change and whether or not we're gonna get out of this better.
01:38:21.000 Like, you know, that's one of the things that does happen whenever human beings are confronted with any sort of an adverse situation where it requires adjustment.
01:38:28.000 It's like there's a possibility and an opportunity for growth.
01:38:32.000 And it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that we do figure out how to grow and get better.
01:38:39.000 100%.
01:38:39.000 I'm optimistic.
01:38:41.000 I think that...
01:38:43.000 First off, I just think there's no option.
01:38:45.000 So you might as well be optimistic.
01:38:47.000 And I think that there is, you know, even if like from my perspective where I'm like, well, you know, talking about everything I've been talking about since we've been here and how the regime is so corrupt and they're liars and they've read.
01:38:56.000 But I look around at this and I see the fact that I think the collapsing trust in all of these institutions is a great thing.
01:39:04.000 I think the fact that people are like waking up to this stuff is incredible.
01:39:09.000 It is because we have options.
01:39:10.000 Yes.
01:39:10.000 Because we have the Glenn Greenwalds and the Matt Taibis and the Crystals and Saugers and the Jimmy Dores.
01:39:16.000 Because they exist, yes, I agree with you.
01:39:18.000 Yeah, and also just that I think that we can, like, we have the capabilities to have a more prosperous, a freer, a better, a kinder society than ever before.
01:39:30.000 We just haven't put it all together yet, and that's like a growing process.
01:39:35.000 We just gotta shun the voices that disagree with that.
01:39:37.000 We have to, like, re-educate people to the fact that, like, the most important thing is getting along.
01:39:43.000 Compassion.
01:39:44.000 Being kind.
01:39:45.000 Being a part of a community.
01:39:46.000 Being nice to each other.
01:39:48.000 What I hope people learn from everything over, say, like, the last, you know...
01:39:54.000 I don't know, five years or so, even before the COVID stuff.
01:39:57.000 And I think this is what I was saying, like, people are tired of the culture wars and all this stuff.
01:40:01.000 This is a big part of the reason why I'm a libertarian, and I believe in drastically reducing government, is that politics is so poisonous.
01:40:10.000 And this is one of the major problems with the COVID stuff in general is that now politics became everything.
01:40:16.000 Politics became finding out, you know, whether you're allowed to go to work or whether you're allowed to visit your father or whether you're allowed, you know, everything was dictated by a governor and political differences.
01:40:29.000 Are like wars even when they're mini wars or cold wars It's like it's a war when you have a political difference with somebody you're now Fighting over who is going to rule over the other person like this is why once every four years Tensions rise so high over is it gonna be Hillary or Trump or Biden or Trump because one of you is gonna lose And have to be ruled over by the other one Do you remember when Biden won and then they started putting out lists of people that supported
01:40:59.000 Trump?
01:41:00.000 Yeah.
01:41:00.000 Legitimate politicians like AOC, we shouldn't compile a list.
01:41:04.000 What the fuck are you saying? 0.98
01:41:07.000 But here's what's so fascinating. 1.00
01:41:09.000 I was at this event called Freedom Fest in South Dakota this summer.
01:41:14.000 A really cool event.
01:41:15.000 That sounds like the last place I'd ever want to go.
01:41:18.000 Freedom Fest in South Dakota.
01:41:20.000 You would have loved it.
01:41:21.000 How was the food?
01:41:22.000 Okay, not the strong point, the food.
01:41:25.000 But it was some really great people there, and South Dakota also, by the way, has zero restrictions.
01:41:30.000 No steakhouse?
01:41:31.000 Oh, that's right.
01:41:32.000 But North Dakota did, and North Dakota suffered greatly.
01:41:35.000 Yes, that's right.
01:41:35.000 Where South Dakota thrived, right?
01:41:37.000 Yes.
01:41:37.000 The only state in the union that never had a lockdown for one day, never had a mask mandate, never had any mandates by the state.
01:41:44.000 They were great on COVID. Who's the mayor?
01:41:46.000 Noam.
01:41:47.000 Right.
01:41:48.000 Christy Noam.
01:41:48.000 Christy Noam.
01:41:49.000 She didn't do so great.
01:41:50.000 She should have legalized pot. 1.00
01:41:51.000 She had a real opportunity to do that and didn't.
01:41:53.000 But she was great on COVID. Eh, you win some, you lose some.
01:41:55.000 Anyway, so I was talking there to the crowd about this stuff.
01:42:00.000 The idea of political differences versus differences.
01:42:04.000 And I was like, look, if you look in the crowd somewhere here, there is a Christian sitting next to an atheist.
01:42:12.000 It was like a big crowd.
01:42:13.000 It was like 1,000 people there.
01:42:15.000 So it was like somewhere – this is true in the crowd.
01:42:16.000 There's a Christian sitting next to an atheist.
01:42:18.000 You guys have the most profound differences in the way you view the world.
01:42:22.000 I mean like literally one of you believes the other one is going to burn in a pit of fire for eternity and the other one believes that you are delusional basically, that you believe you have this personal relationship with something that doesn't exist.
01:42:37.000 And you're just sitting next to each other.
01:42:39.000 And everything's fine.
01:42:40.000 And maybe you'll have a beer later.
01:42:42.000 No one cares.
01:42:43.000 But we're going to war over whether you're a Democrat or a Republican.
01:42:48.000 It's only when the differences are political that this becomes this crazy culture war.
01:42:53.000 Because it interferes with your life. 0.99
01:42:55.000 If this guy doesn't eat bacon because it's in the Quran, that doesn't fuck with you. 0.98
01:42:59.000 But if it becomes political, let's say that the school that your kids go to, the public school, is now going to teach Muslim prayer in the school. 0.99
01:43:08.000 You go, wait a minute.
01:43:09.000 I don't want my kids being indoctrinated with stuff I don't believe in.
01:43:12.000 So my point is just that when you reduce government When you reduce government intervention, when you reduce the size and scope of government, what you end up getting is more peace.
01:43:23.000 You end up getting things where it's like people can have disagreements.
01:43:25.000 We can have different cultural preferences.
01:43:27.000 We can have different feelings about gender or whatever.
01:43:31.000 We can have COVID, whatever it is.
01:43:33.000 And we don't have to go to war with each other.
01:43:35.000 And I really do think...
01:43:37.000 I believe that...
01:43:39.000 In order for this country to survive and to thrive, we need liberty.
01:43:45.000 It's the answer to all of this.
01:43:47.000 We need the government to stop doing all of the evil stuff that it's doing, and we need a spirit of liberty where it's like, look, we can disagree with each other and not have to go to war with each other.
01:43:57.000 Well, let me ask you this.
01:43:58.000 Being a libertarian and reducing government is what you're really interested in.
01:44:02.000 So, if that's the case, what are the things that get drastically reduced?
01:44:08.000 Besides the obvious ones like military, what are the things that you feel there's egregious misspending or overspending on?
01:44:17.000 I mean, okay, so, right.
01:44:19.000 I mean, I know you've said besides that, but I'm still going to just react.
01:44:22.000 Number one is ending all of the wars.
01:44:24.000 I mean, it's just been one disaster after another.
01:44:29.000 Millions of innocent people have been killed as a result of the wars in the last 20 years.
01:44:32.000 We have nothing to show for them.
01:44:34.000 Nothing.
01:44:35.000 And so we should end every last one of them.
01:44:37.000 And the biggest one, the biggest one right now is what's going on in Yemen.
01:44:40.000 And there's talks that they're going to escalate that.
01:44:42.000 Are you talking about Yemen again?
01:44:43.000 Yes!
01:44:44.000 But you were on CE Cup five years ago.
01:44:46.000 And literally, no one listened to me then.
01:44:50.000 And unfortunately, no one has yet.
01:44:52.000 And now they're talking about escalating it.
01:44:54.000 But it's the worst thing in the world.
01:44:55.000 Explain what's going on.
01:44:57.000 So, basically, Obama started a war in Yemen.
01:45:02.000 I mean, it's...
01:45:04.000 It was Obama's government working with the Saudis to launch a war against the Houthis in Yemen.
01:45:11.000 And basically the back story to it is that Obama had really...
01:45:15.000 The Saudis were pissed off at our government and they're a big trading partner in ours.
01:45:19.000 But number one, they were against the war in Iraq that George W. Bush started because they kind of were the only ones who saw obviously how this was going to go.
01:45:27.000 And they were like, you know, their big enemy is Iran. 0.89
01:45:30.000 And you were like, well, if you overthrow the Sunni minority government in Iraq, obviously the Shiites are going to take power. 0.99
01:45:38.000 And then Iran's going to have all of this influence in the region.
01:45:41.000 So you're just empowering our worst enemy.
01:45:44.000 So don't do this.
01:45:45.000 But America wanted to do it.
01:45:46.000 Israel wanted to do it. 0.93
01:45:47.000 All of the neocons wanted to do it.
01:45:49.000 And so the war ended up happening.
01:45:51.000 And so the war happens.
01:45:52.000 It went exactly that way.
01:45:53.000 It was a gift to Iran.
01:45:56.000 And then Obama came in and he...
01:46:00.000 We're good to go.
01:46:19.000 Which has turned into a genocide to placate one of the most evil governments in the world, the Saudis. 1.00
01:46:26.000 So that's what Obama, the man who won the Nobel Peace Prize, gave us.
01:46:32.000 Besides for funding bin Ladenite Islamists in Libya and Syria and committing literal treason, he should be tried for war crimes and literally spend the rest of his life in a cage for what he did in Yemen. 0.89
01:46:45.000 Literally launched a war of genocide to placate The Saudis. 1.00
01:46:50.000 Is that really the only motivation for us getting involved?
01:46:53.000 It's...
01:46:54.000 I mean, yeah, basically, they're a big business partner of ours, and we were pissed off and we were worried about losing that relationship.
01:47:02.000 In this war, the United States is...
01:47:05.000 Part is what?
01:47:06.000 So, basically...
01:47:07.000 Well, okay, so it's really...
01:47:08.000 It's the Saudis and the UAE are really launching the war. 0.99
01:47:12.000 But it's always...
01:47:13.000 I mean, it's the Saudis doing it, but with American weapons. 0.85
01:47:16.000 For the first, like, several years of the war, we were literally refueling their fighter pilots as they were doing it.
01:47:22.000 And they're conducting the war in the most brutal, egregious way.
01:47:26.000 I mean, they're bombing, like...
01:47:28.000 They're bombing farms, and they're bombing...
01:47:30.000 You know, and they put a full blockade around the country.
01:47:34.000 So...
01:47:34.000 There's there was something at one point there was in the ballpark of a million cases of cholera.
01:47:39.000 I'm not sure if they were actually all cholera or there were some other similar like infections that were but it's been hundreds of thousands of people who have died in in this war.
01:47:51.000 The UN said it was the number one humanitarian crisis in the world and it's it's these are you know Infectious diseases that are targeting, that disproportionately hit babies.
01:48:04.000 I mean, there's babies dying. 0.90
01:48:06.000 And Yemen, by the way, before all of this was the poorest country in the Middle East.
01:48:10.000 And they put a full blockade around the country.
01:48:12.000 And this has been going on forever.
01:48:14.000 Obama started it, Trump continued it through his entire presidency, funded the Saudis even more than Obama had, gave them even more weapons.
01:48:25.000 And Biden said he was going to end it.
01:48:28.000 And he said he was going to end the war.
01:48:29.000 And there were some people, I will say, Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul were both really great on this in the Senate, trying to bring awareness to this, that we've got to end this.
01:48:36.000 This is a genocide at this point.
01:48:39.000 And Biden said he was going to end it, and he didn't.
01:48:43.000 He backed off of that promise.
01:48:44.000 And now, I guess the Houthis launched a few attacks that hit the UAE. And so now they're talking about escalating the war.
01:48:56.000 Anyway, so that's the biggest thing.
01:48:58.000 What government should stop doing, that's like the biggest one to me, is like cut the military budget drastically. 0.99
01:49:04.000 Stop fighting stupid wars. 0.97
01:49:08.000 Anyway, on top of that, I would say that we need to end all corporate welfare. 1.00
01:49:16.000 Can we stop before you move on to that?
01:49:18.000 Sure, sure, sure.
01:49:18.000 The motivations that they have for getting involved in wars that benefit Saudi Arabia, is it negotiations in terms of oil access?
01:49:29.000 Is it negotiations in terms of control of the region?
01:49:33.000 Is it, like, compromises in terms of, like, they make these compromises in terms of, like, we want to do this, and you want to do that, so we'll allow you to do this, we do that, and then we'll work together?
01:49:44.000 So there's several really big, like, financial incentives behind it.
01:49:52.000 The number one, Saudi Arabia buys a tremendous amount of weapons.
01:49:58.000 So this is worth a lot of money for weapons manufacturers.
01:50:03.000 There's also the whole petrodollar thing, where it has been this agreement for a long time that Saudi Arabia will peg their oil to U.S. dollars and only trade in dollars.
01:50:14.000 And this does a lot to keep our currency afloat.
01:50:17.000 That was part of the reason why the war with Iraq happened, right?
01:50:22.000 Didn't that have something to do with them taking their money, like they weren't going to put their oil on the US dollar anymore?
01:50:31.000 Supposedly, Saddam Hussein, around the year 2000, had a plan to start trading oil in gold and other assets and not using dollars anymore.
01:50:43.000 I've also seen people say that Gaddafi had plans to be in on this.
01:50:48.000 I don't know if that's true or not.
01:50:51.000 I do think it's interesting.
01:50:53.000 I do know that very shortly after we got off the gold standard, after Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard, that we made this deal with Saudi Arabia in the 70s where they would only trade oil for dollars, which in some ways kind of replaced Yeah.
01:51:31.000 I'm sure there's other motivations that I don't know about.
01:51:35.000 I don't know for sure what they are.
01:51:37.000 But I do know that hundreds of thousands of innocent people are being slaughtered over these wars.
01:51:44.000 So whatever exactly the motivation is, it ain't worth it.
01:51:48.000 And it's also one more crazy addition to all of this is that we're fighting on the side of Al-Qaeda.
01:51:56.000 Over there.
01:51:56.000 Like Al Qaeda is fighting the Houthis.
01:51:59.000 There's still a pretty sizable Al Qaeda presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and particularly in Yemen.
01:52:05.000 And they're the enemies of the Houthis.
01:52:06.000 We're fighting on the side of Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda against the Houthis because Iran kind of likes them. 1.00
01:52:15.000 It's nuts.
01:52:16.000 And we need to just stop doing it.
01:52:18.000 And it's insane.
01:52:19.000 While our country's falling apart, we're still trying to remake the world.
01:52:23.000 It's just bananas.
01:52:24.000 Is the idea, though, that the reason why they're making these concessions to these other foreign countries is that it ultimately does help America in some sort of way?
01:52:32.000 Well, I mean, I'm sure they would argue that...
01:52:35.000 Have you ever talked to, like, a CIA guy or someone who's, like, involved in this sort of international politics...
01:52:42.000 Yes.
01:52:42.000 ...and they could kind of explain...
01:52:43.000 Not saying that you would agree with them, but explain to you the motivation or why it's beneficial to be involved with these countries, rather?
01:52:52.000 Well, yeah.
01:52:52.000 I mean, I've heard...
01:52:53.000 I have talked to several of them, and I've heard a lot of their arguments.
01:52:56.000 By the way, there's also a lot of those guys who...
01:52:59.000 Would agree with me on this, or I would agree with them, I should probably say more accurately.
01:53:04.000 I'd highly recommend anybody who wants to know what's really going on to listen to Colonel Douglas McGregor, who is as smart and as decorated as you could possibly be, and he's the guy who really makes the argument the best that we should be completely out of all of these wars.
01:53:19.000 Is he retired?
01:53:21.000 Yeah, I believe he is at this point.
01:53:23.000 Yeah, I believe he is.
01:53:24.000 But he was actually, I believe he was McMaster's boss at one point.
01:53:30.000 But McMaster's, you know, rose up.
01:53:32.000 I guess the political stuff with it did a little bit better than him.
01:53:35.000 And he ultimately became, you know, the guy.
01:53:37.000 And he didn't.
01:53:38.000 But also might be because of what their views are on this stuff.
01:53:41.000 But yeah, there are people who will make these arguments.
01:53:43.000 But really, usually the arguments, you know, they come down to like, well...
01:53:49.000 I mean, it's like the way the wars were sold.
01:53:51.000 It's like, well, we had to go into Iraq because of whatever, weapons of mass destruction, or we had to go into Syria because Assad was killing all of his own people, or we had to go into Libya because he was about to go genocidal, or we had to go into blah, blah.
01:54:03.000 Yemen, they don't really try to make this argument as much for. 1.00
01:54:06.000 It's just kind of like- Well, you don't hear about it.
01:54:07.000 It's never discussed.
01:54:08.000 It's just, there's just no, there's no real strong defense of it.
01:54:11.000 And it's been going on, so how many years now?
01:54:13.000 It's like, we're, you were talking about- Eight years, seven years maybe now?
01:54:19.000 Yeah.
01:54:19.000 And now they're talking about ramping it up after Biden promised to end it.
01:54:24.000 You know, MBS purchased the most expensive painting of all time.
01:54:29.000 Do you know about that?
01:54:30.000 No.
01:54:31.000 I just watched a documentary about it last night, actually.
01:54:34.000 I just finished it last night.
01:54:35.000 It is a crazy documentary.
01:54:37.000 And I think it's called The Last Da Vinci.
01:54:40.000 See, you can find that.
01:54:41.000 But it's about this very controversial painting that I've been obsessed with.
01:54:47.000 Okay.
01:54:48.000 I'm obsessed with...
01:54:49.000 I get obsessed with people that believe things that don't necessarily make sense.
01:54:56.000 And I get obsessed with hustles.
01:54:59.000 And this seems to be like both of those things connected together.
01:55:03.000 There's this painting called Salvador Mundi.
01:55:08.000 And there's these people that find sleepers in the art world.
01:55:12.000 And what they do is they go through collections and they...
01:55:16.000 Is that what it's called?
01:55:17.000 What is the name of it?
01:55:18.000 The documentary?
01:55:19.000 Is it The Last Da Vinci?
01:55:20.000 This is an article about it, but...
01:55:22.000 Right.
01:55:23.000 But there is a documentary.
01:55:24.000 Correct.
01:55:25.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
01:55:26.000 So this painting...
01:55:28.000 So what's a sleeper?
01:55:29.000 It's a painting that they look at, and someone's auctioning it off for a relatively low amount of money.
01:55:37.000 But it might be very valuable.
01:55:40.000 They find these occasionally.
01:55:41.000 Someone found a drawing recently.
01:55:44.000 That someone bought at a yard sale that was worth millions of dollars.
01:55:48.000 And I think they bought it for like 50 bucks.
01:55:51.000 And someone recognized the handiwork and they're like, oh my god, I think this is...
01:55:55.000 And they bought it and it turned out to be like hyper valuable.
01:55:58.000 Well, this one is weird.
01:56:00.000 Because this one, this guy found it and it's in this thing, in this, you know, where they're looking at these paintings that are going to go up for auction.
01:56:10.000 And he purchased it for like a little over $1,000.
01:56:14.000 And he ships it to New York.
01:56:15.000 And these art experts start going over it, and they think it's the lost Leonardo da Vinci.
01:56:23.000 And so they have to, it's been over-painted, which means somebody painted over the original painting.
01:56:29.000 So they have to strip it down.
01:56:31.000 This is where it's squirrely.
01:56:33.000 So go to the Salvador Mundi and then find what it looked like before restoration.
01:56:43.000 Because this is what I didn't understand.
01:56:44.000 This is wild.
01:56:45.000 It was way worse than that.
01:56:46.000 Because he painted it, but hold on.
01:56:48.000 He painted it on wood.
01:56:51.000 Da Vinci would paint things on wood and so he painted on wood and there was a lot of evidence that he prepared for this.
01:56:58.000 Like there were sketches, if you scroll back up you can see that.
01:57:00.000 These are sketches that he had drawn of like the way the cloth would fold on, because it's a painting of Jesus.
01:57:08.000 It's the way the cloth would fold on Jesus' arms, and there's evidence that he was working on this painting.
01:57:14.000 There's also copies of this painting, and one of them got displayed in the Louvre in Paris because The MBS, the owner of this painting, wouldn't allow them to put it unless they put it right next to the Mona Lisa.
01:57:31.000 He wanted them to call it the male Mona Lisa.
01:57:33.000 See, that's a copy right there, that one down there.
01:57:35.000 But I want you to see if you can find, Google what the original image looked like.
01:57:43.000 After stripping away the overpaint.
01:57:45.000 And it's so damaged.
01:57:47.000 Like there's so much missing from the painting.
01:57:49.000 So this painting, that's what it looks like.
01:57:52.000 So this painting that's sold for, like in the, see in the bottom, that circle, that's actually a knot in the wood.
01:58:00.000 And so a lot of the painting was missing.
01:58:02.000 So the painting that sold for $450 million, the most expensive painting ever, was painted over by a woman in New York City. 0.51
01:58:16.000 That's what it looked like before she started restoring it.
01:58:20.000 So she just filled in the gaps, basically?
01:58:22.000 She filled in the gaps.
01:58:23.000 She filled it in an amazing way.
01:58:25.000 Like, what she did is amazing.
01:58:26.000 That's like, that's before cleaning.
01:58:28.000 That's what it looked like.
01:58:29.000 So these crazy cracks and gaps, this woman worked at it for five years straight. 1.00
01:58:35.000 All she did was paint this thing.
01:58:38.000 And at the end of it, like, see those, like it shows you, scroll back up where you just were.
01:58:42.000 Scroll back up, please.
01:58:44.000 Right there.
01:58:44.000 So that's what it looked like on the left, and that's what it looks like after her work.
01:58:49.000 So all those white spots where the painting was missing, she did all that.
01:58:54.000 All the shading had to be consistent with the time period, and it had to look like a painting that was old.
01:59:01.000 Like the hair, everything, like look how much...
01:59:04.000 They said some egregious amount.
01:59:06.000 I think it's like 90% of this painting was really painted contemporarily by this woman.
01:59:14.000 Who painted over the painting, which I did not know they did.
01:59:18.000 She did not sell it.
01:59:19.000 She did not say it.
01:59:19.000 She was hired to restore.
01:59:21.000 So she's a legitimate, bonafide art expert who was hired to restore this painting.
01:59:27.000 So she thought she was just doing a job.
01:59:29.000 She was doing a job.
01:59:30.000 Right.
01:59:30.000 But she also is convinced that this is a Leonardo da Vinci.
01:59:35.000 However, other people... 1.00
01:59:37.000 Who are art experts that have nothing to do with it say bull fucking shit. 1.00
01:59:42.000 They call bullshit every step of the way. 1.00
01:59:44.000 They mock it. 0.99
01:59:45.000 They're like, this isn't a terrible painting. 0.99
01:59:47.000 No fucking way. 0.95
01:59:48.000 But Sotheby's had this amazing video. 0.99
01:59:52.000 I know so little about art that when you go like, oh, this is a Da Vinci, I go, oh my god, he's just so amazing.
01:59:57.000 He's so talented.
01:59:57.000 And then someone goes, that's not a Da Vinci.
01:59:59.000 That sucks. 0.89
01:59:59.000 I go, Yeah, that's pretty bad. 0.89
02:00:01.000 I don't know.
02:00:02.000 I don't really know.
02:00:02.000 Is it good?
02:00:03.000 Is it not?
02:00:03.000 You tell me.
02:00:04.000 The documentary is incredible.
02:00:05.000 Because the documentary is not just about the painting itself, but it's also about the psychology of selling it.
02:00:13.000 And one of the ways that this thing was selling, one of the reasons why it became an issue...
02:00:18.000 It's because there was this French guy who was selling these paintings to this Russian oligarch.
02:00:23.000 So this Russian guy was this billionaire, was spending all this money on paintings, and he found out because of an article that he got ripped off by this French guy.
02:00:32.000 He thought that the painting cost 130, I think it was 135 million dollars.
02:00:37.000 That's what he paid for it.
02:00:38.000 But the French guy got it for 75 million.
02:00:41.000 So this French guy was marking up all the paintings he sold to this guy, but like as much as 100%. 0.99
02:00:47.000 So this guy got fucked. 0.92
02:00:50.000 And so he realized this by this, and then he made him auction off everything he ever bought from him. 0.98
02:00:56.000 And so one of the things they did is they brought it to Sotheby's.
02:00:58.000 And Sotheby's made this incredible promotion, this really elaborate promotion, selling this painting.
02:01:05.000 And one of the ways they sold it was videotaping people's response, because people thought it was a Da Vinci.
02:01:12.000 They videotaped people, including Leonardo DiCaprio.
02:01:15.000 So Leonardo DiCaprio is in this video staring at this.
02:01:18.000 So they took it from the perspective of people looking at the painting.
02:01:21.000 People were crying and weeping, and this is part of what Sotheby's did to sell this.
02:01:26.000 That's brilliant psychology, yeah.
02:01:28.000 Oh my god, it's amazing!
02:01:29.000 And then they put it on display, and no one knew who was buying it.
02:01:32.000 It turned out to be MBS. He was buying it, and he has it in a yacht.
02:01:37.000 That's where it's displayed, which costs the exact amount of his painting.
02:01:42.000 The yacht is like a half billion dollars, too.
02:01:44.000 And so he's got this painting that's probably not Leonardo da Vinci, but it's definitely, whatever it is, it's mostly painted by this lady.
02:01:53.000 Whatever it is, it's the most overpriced piece of art ever.
02:01:58.000 Maybe.
02:01:58.000 Even if it is da Vinci, it's half not him.
02:02:01.000 Best case scenario.
02:02:03.000 Yes. 0.99
02:02:03.000 See, the thing is, if it is Da Vinci, wouldn't you rather have the one that's not fucked with, that's just cleaned, that looks like shit, rather than someone comes along and paints over it? 0.99
02:02:15.000 Go back to the original one after cleaning. 0.96
02:02:18.000 I'd rather have the one with all the pieces missing that was just the da Vinci.
02:02:22.000 Yeah.
02:02:23.000 Because once someone else fills in the gaps, it's no longer like his painting.
02:02:27.000 Right.
02:02:28.000 Like, this is the original one.
02:02:30.000 Like, if that was up there, like, yeah, man, if you go to Italy, and I've been to Italy many times, and one of the more amazing things about Italy is the art.
02:02:38.000 There's incredible art all over the place.
02:02:40.000 Like, so many different churches, and a lot of it is really worn out and old.
02:02:46.000 But through that, it's amazing because you get to look at this art that's been weathered by time.
02:02:52.000 Yeah, that's kind of part of the appeal of it.
02:02:55.000 Like that by itself, right there.
02:02:58.000 If they could actually attribute that to Da Vinci, that should be worth way more than the lady painting over it.
02:03:05.000 But I don't know if they knew the lady painted over it.
02:03:08.000 This is the thing.
02:03:09.000 It's not clear.
02:03:11.000 When they show the painting, and they say this is like a lost Leonardo, and it goes for $450 million, I don't think they said, hmm, by the way, this is what it used to look like before this broad in New York City who really knows how to paint. 0.98
02:03:24.000 And she's an amazing fucking artist. 1.00
02:03:26.000 It's really crazy her perspective, too. 1.00
02:03:28.000 She's like...
02:03:29.000 They're saying that I did this, but I could never have created this masterpiece.
02:03:34.000 I'm like, ma'am, I kind of disagree. 0.98
02:03:36.000 You're pretty fucking incredible. 0.96
02:03:38.000 I mean, if you could fill that in, I feel like you could just paint that. 0.98
02:03:41.000 I feel like she could paint it, too.
02:03:43.000 I mean, this idea that...
02:03:45.000 I mean, maybe it's like a wine taster.
02:03:48.000 But then there's a great documentary about that too.
02:03:51.000 There's a great documentary called Sour Grapes.
02:03:53.000 Have you ever seen that documentary?
02:03:54.000 No.
02:03:54.000 It's the same kind of documentary.
02:03:56.000 It's one of the reasons why I love it.
02:03:57.000 It's a hustle.
02:03:59.000 Sour Grapes is about this guy, this gentleman who is a wine expert who was selling, he was buying at auction very expensive wine.
02:04:10.000 Like really old, very valuable, very rare wines.
02:04:13.000 Like hundreds of years old?
02:04:14.000 Yes, some of it hundreds of years old, some of it just decades old.
02:04:19.000 But the point is he was selling this wine to all these wealthy buyers.
02:04:24.000 So he would curate this collection of these incredible wines and then he would sell them to people.
02:04:30.000 Well then someone figured out that some of the wines that he was selling were counterfeit.
02:04:35.000 And then they started doing an examination. 0.94
02:04:37.000 And where he fucked up was he sold the wine to the Koch brothers. 0.97
02:04:43.000 So one of the Koch brothers who had bought like millions of dollars in wine from this guy got fucked because one of the gentlemen who worked for the original company, the original vineyard, was like, we've never made a magnum in that year. 0.98
02:04:59.000 We didn't make it with that label. 0.87
02:05:01.000 This is misspelled.
02:05:03.000 This is incorrect.
02:05:04.000 And then they start doing a deep dive and then they go to this guy's house. 0.99
02:05:07.000 They fucking raid his house. 0.92
02:05:08.000 They find out he's got, like, these aged labels. 0.99
02:05:11.000 He's got, like, things that are...
02:05:13.000 Yeah, like, this is...
02:05:14.000 Stashes of old corks and labels were discovered.
02:05:17.000 And, um...
02:05:18.000 How do you say his name?
02:05:20.000 What is his full name?
02:05:22.000 He's, like...
02:05:24.000 What is his...
02:05:26.000 Rudy.
02:05:27.000 That's right.
02:05:27.000 So, what's really funny is my friend Matt is in this documentary.
02:05:31.000 And I didn't know it until I was watching it.
02:05:33.000 My friend Matt is a legitimate wine connoisseur.
02:05:36.000 And Matt loves wine.
02:05:37.000 Like, he has a giant warehouse and it's like a wine room in his house filled with wine.
02:05:42.000 And one of his birthday parties, I went to his birthday party.
02:05:47.000 And on his birthday party, it was all of his wine friends.
02:05:50.000 They had a wine tasting.
02:05:51.000 So we went to this amazing restaurant, and they would bring you over a small plate of food and then a flight of wines.
02:05:57.000 And so they would all taste it.
02:05:58.000 They would all swirl it around and like...
02:06:00.000 I don't know much about wine, right?
02:06:02.000 But the wine was incredible.
02:06:03.000 And Rudy, that guy, was at the wine tasting.
02:06:07.000 And I recognized him. 0.99
02:06:08.000 So this guy went to jail for this for a long fucking time. 0.99
02:06:11.000 He went to a serious fucking prison in Colorado. 0.99
02:06:14.000 That's a fraud, right? 1.00
02:06:15.000 Oh, yeah! 1.00
02:06:17.000 They don't even know how many bottles of this fake shit are out there circulating. 0.99
02:06:22.000 They don't know how many people were involved with him. 1.00
02:06:24.000 Don't rip off billionaires, man.
02:06:25.000 They got a lot of resources to spend if they figure out you did that.
02:06:28.000 They certainly did, but the point is it's the same thing.
02:06:31.000 It's like people that want to have this very exclusive, very rare thing, and so they get They're romanced by the auction, by the idea that they're going to be the one that has it.
02:06:45.000 You know, oh, Ed's got it in his basement.
02:06:47.000 So that's what's so interesting about it is that we're such weird animals.
02:06:50.000 That's what it's to be.
02:06:51.000 It's like the psychological, like, appeal of something.
02:06:53.000 Because the truth is that you could just get, look, you could get someone who's a good artist to paint you a picture that's real nice that you like looking at.
02:07:00.000 You could get a good bottle of wine that you enjoy drinking, but you are so interested in having this thing that confers with it status or something like that.
02:07:10.000 I don't know exactly what it is.
02:07:12.000 Collectors.
02:07:12.000 You're a collector.
02:07:13.000 Right, and there's something that you get off on that, like, I've got the...
02:07:17.000 That's very interesting.
02:07:19.000 It's so interesting.
02:07:21.000 And then if you have that mentality and then you find out that you've been ripped off, how furious you must be.
02:07:27.000 Especially if you're a billionaire and you fancy yourself to be an intelligent person who's an expert at this one thing that you're obsessed with, which is wine.
02:07:35.000 They show this coke brother going through his basement or his you know his what would you call it his wine cellar and it's incredible his collections massive collection of all these wines he's so proud of it and then it turns out it's bullshit and then he's furious and he's like well I have 40 bucks Billion dollars to spend on getting even with you, 0.99
02:07:58.000 sir. 0.95
02:07:59.000 So also the Koch brothers are like probably the worst or up there with the worst billionaires to piss off because they're also like politically connected.
02:08:06.000 So they're like, well, let me just call the DA who is my good friend and the senator who I funded.
02:08:13.000 And in this documentary, what's really interesting is this one guy like the thing about wine is like I don't know how many real experts there are and how many people are just pretending they can taste the differences in these wines.
02:08:27.000 I feel like I could fake it.
02:08:29.000 I don't think I can.
02:08:31.000 Nah, I don't know anything.
02:08:31.000 They swirl it around, they take smells.
02:08:34.000 And they put it in their mouth.
02:08:36.000 And a lot of times when they're tasting it, they have a bucket and they spit into the bucket because they don't drink it.
02:08:42.000 Right.
02:08:42.000 They just swirl it around their mouth and they spit it out.
02:08:44.000 It's wild.
02:08:45.000 Because if they tasted and drank it all, they'd be hammered.
02:08:49.000 So to avoid being hammered, they spit it out.
02:08:51.000 So they put it in their mouth, they get the flavor of the wine, and they spit it into like a bucket. 1.00
02:08:57.000 It's wild shit. 1.00
02:08:59.000 So in one scene, there's this one guy who's like a pseudo-expert, right? 1.00
02:09:02.000 I don't know if he's an expert or not.
02:09:04.000 And he's like, this is one of the wines that Rudy sold me that's real.
02:09:08.000 And you can taste it.
02:09:09.000 It's absolutely real.
02:09:12.000 It's got hints of oak and citrus and whatever.
02:09:16.000 And then another guy tastes it.
02:09:17.000 He goes, he smells it.
02:09:19.000 He goes, how long ago did you open this?
02:09:21.000 And he goes, you know, like two hours ago or something like this. 1.00
02:09:24.000 This is bullshit. 1.00
02:09:25.000 He goes, this is fake. 1.00
02:09:26.000 This is flat. 0.99
02:09:27.000 It doesn't have nearly the complexity of the Chavez-Voix-Wool or whatever the fuck it is. 0.73
02:09:31.000 I've had Chavez-Voix-Wool before and it's so much richer and denser. 0.99
02:09:36.000 This is skunk piss. 0.92
02:09:38.000 And he's like, what? 0.99
02:09:39.000 And you see the other guy who's like, not sure, he's probably like a fucking stockbroker or something, like doesn't really know. 0.93
02:09:45.000 And this guy is like a real wine expert. 0.96
02:09:47.000 He's like a pseudo wine expert.
02:09:49.000 He's like, what?
02:09:49.000 And you see him confronted, like his ego shattered because this guy is actually the guy who knows about this thing.
02:09:55.000 It's like, boy, have you guys missed the mark? 0.98
02:09:58.000 Wine's supposed to fucking taste good. 0.97
02:09:59.000 It's supposed to be, oh, this is delicious. 0.99
02:10:02.000 That's not what it's supposed to be.
02:10:03.000 It's supposed to be, this is a good tasting wine.
02:10:05.000 We'll have a nice conversation over dinner with a good tasting wine.
02:10:08.000 You guys are missing the mark.
02:10:10.000 You've taken a thing that's supposed to be a drink that people enjoy that makes you feel good and put all of this psychological importance on top of it to create this entire structure that is absurd.
02:10:25.000 It's absurd.
02:10:25.000 It just makes no sense.
02:10:26.000 Have you ever had a really expensive bottle of wine?
02:10:29.000 I really don't like wine.
02:10:31.000 Oh, you don't?
02:10:32.000 I never like wine.
02:10:33.000 I love red wine.
02:10:34.000 I was in Florida once, and me and my friend Mark Delagrate, shout out to my homie Mark.
02:10:38.000 We were eating at a restaurant with a bunch of UFC employees, and Mark and I like a red wine, and we were going through the menu.
02:10:45.000 What do you have?
02:10:45.000 What are you going to do?
02:10:46.000 You want to get some wine?
02:10:47.000 And he goes, yeah.
02:10:48.000 I go, let's get a good bottle of wine.
02:10:49.000 And so they brought over Sommelier.
02:10:51.000 Yeah.
02:10:52.000 And I go, you know what?
02:10:54.000 I've never had like a real good bottle of wine.
02:10:56.000 Like, what's a real good bottle of wine?
02:10:57.000 He's like, well, how much do you want to spend?
02:10:59.000 And so he goes through his list and he brought about $1,200 bottle of wine.
02:11:03.000 I'm like, wow! 1.00
02:11:05.000 Okay, fuck it. 1.00
02:11:06.000 Like, let's see. 1.00
02:11:07.000 I've never had it.
02:11:08.000 It wasn't that good, man.
02:11:10.000 It was kind of like weak.
02:11:12.000 It was almost like watered down.
02:11:14.000 It was like vinegary or something.
02:11:16.000 Or maybe it was like too old.
02:11:18.000 It was like from 1972. Dude, you got fucking rooted. 0.99
02:11:21.000 Here's the thing. 1.00
02:11:22.000 They gave you some $6 wine.
02:11:24.000 There was like, you know, 10 staff.
02:11:26.000 That we were all going to dinner with, all the production staff.
02:11:29.000 And then after we had that bottle of wine, I go, let's get a 2018 bottle of wine.
02:11:35.000 Let's get a regular bottle of wine.
02:11:36.000 It was way better.
02:11:37.000 It was way better.
02:11:38.000 I enjoyed it more.
02:11:38.000 It was like $40.
02:11:40.000 I'm like, this is a better Like, this is so crazy that, like, this $1,200...
02:11:45.000 But what is it?
02:11:46.000 What are they looking for?
02:11:47.000 Like, what is it about it?
02:11:49.000 That's what I'm obsessed with.
02:11:50.000 That's what I'm obsessed with about the Salvador Mundi.
02:11:52.000 That's what I'm obsessed with the sour grapes documentary.
02:11:55.000 I'm obsessed with this obsession that people have with, like, these, like, very subtle differences and things that only someone who's, like, deeply studied can understand.
02:12:06.000 But it's also...
02:12:07.000 I mean, like, what's interesting to me is just the psychological, like...
02:12:11.000 There's a factor in it, and I think it's got to be at least a lot like a status thing.
02:12:14.000 Oh, 100%.
02:12:15.000 That people are just like, look, this is what lets you know that I'm up here, and we're hardwired to really care about status.
02:12:22.000 That's just the thing, because that's just the way it is.
02:12:26.000 When that guy was drinking and saying it's skunk piss, and the other guy was shattered, you could see the look in his face. 0.55
02:12:31.000 He just got punked.
02:12:32.000 Yeah, well you just went from being I am Mr. Wine Expert to being exposed.
02:12:37.000 Like your whole life is now taken down.
02:12:41.000 Hmm.
02:12:43.000 Yeah.
02:12:44.000 Nonsense. 0.98
02:12:45.000 It's a bunch of nonsense.
02:12:46.000 But there's a thing about humans where we get obsessed with these little minute details about specific things.
02:12:54.000 It's fascinating to me. 0.93
02:12:56.000 Well, it's also one of the reasons why it's what fucking really holds back.
02:13:00.000 I mean, I'm sure in some ways it propels human advancement. 0.76
02:13:04.000 Otherwise, we probably wouldn't have it.
02:13:06.000 But...
02:13:07.000 It's like what holds back a lot of these things is that it's very hard for people to admit when they're wrong and they'd rather just double down because it's a very difficult thing to do.
02:13:18.000 Very difficult.
02:13:18.000 To admit, you know, you've been wrong, especially about something major.
02:13:22.000 Yeah.
02:13:22.000 I mean, in the political world, I see this all the time.
02:13:25.000 Even when people say they're wrong about stuff, they tend to try and like, well, we don't really believe that anymore, but here's why we're pissed off at this guy now.
02:13:33.000 And you're like, okay, but you should really probably spend some time on this.
02:13:36.000 Like I do.
02:13:37.000 I mean, just shoehorn politics back into everything.
02:13:40.000 But that is one of my beefs with all the right-wingers who now kind of admit the war in Iraq was a big mistake.
02:13:45.000 But they don't really spend a lot of time on that.
02:13:47.000 You know, it's just kind of like, I guess we were wrong about that whole thing.
02:13:51.000 But back in the time, the day after 9-11, the mentality was, obviously, we got attacked.
02:13:57.000 This was horrible.
02:13:58.000 We have to make sure this doesn't happen again.
02:14:00.000 The way to do this is to be proactive.
02:14:01.000 Because the time has come when we need to act.
02:14:05.000 Because we've been sitting back and obviously this is not a good strategy because we just lost the World Trade Center.
02:14:12.000 That's like I think in many ways the most tragic misunderstanding of what America got wrong after 9-11.
02:14:22.000 This is why Ron Paul to me is the greatest living American and he was completely right about what he said.
02:14:27.000 His whole point was that no we weren't attacked because we were sitting back and doing nothing.
02:14:32.000 We were attacked because we've been intervening in this part of the world for decades.
02:14:37.000 And we built up so much anger over there that people were willing to be recruited to come be suicide bombers just to get us back.
02:14:46.000 And that was the huge mistake.
02:14:48.000 And so if he's right about that, which I believe he is, then the response of like, now we really need to do something, is the worst possible response.
02:14:57.000 And I think we fell right into what bin Laden's trap was. 0.87
02:15:01.000 Which was like Bin Laden explicitly said.
02:15:03.000 I mean, this was his goal.
02:15:04.000 His goal, he didn't think toppling the World Trade Center was going to bring down the United States of America.
02:15:09.000 He thought that he could lure us into wars that would bankrupt our country and that that could bring down the United States of America.
02:15:17.000 And so that was kind of the whole plan.
02:15:19.000 What do you think happened with Bin Laden?
02:15:22.000 It's very strange that they never showed his body.
02:15:24.000 And it's very strange that, like...
02:15:29.000 I wonder, you know, there's one Navy SEAL that's credited with shooting him, right?
02:15:35.000 Or at least, if not credited, he's publicly stated, this is the man who shot Bin Laden and he sold books. 0.63
02:15:41.000 And then a lot of people either disagreed with him or disagreed with his choice to go public with him.
02:15:46.000 Yeah, I've met that guy before.
02:15:49.000 But, you know, I don't know.
02:15:51.000 It certainly seemed really shady.
02:16:02.000 Really?
02:16:19.000 Yeah.
02:16:25.000 Anyway, I mean, I don't know.
02:16:26.000 I mean, I do tend to think that, you know, I think Ben Laden's dead, and he was once alive. 0.93
02:16:34.000 I don't know exactly what happened there.
02:16:36.000 But to me, the bigger thing that's just like so crazy is that, so we got him in, what was it, 2012?
02:16:42.000 And here we are in 2022. We just ended the war in Afghanistan, you know, a few months ago.
02:16:49.000 And then we still have wars going on all throughout the Middle East that no one really seems to care about anymore.
02:16:57.000 Isn't bin Laden's son an artist or something?
02:17:00.000 I think one of them was.
02:17:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:17:01.000 He's got a very...
02:17:02.000 I mean, his whole family is a very rich, connected Saudi family.
02:17:06.000 A lot of them weren't, like, with his terrorist thing, either.
02:17:09.000 Like, he was kind of like, that's crazy Uncle Osama. 0.78
02:17:13.000 Well, his terrorist thing was fueled by the fact that the United States funded the Mujahideen to fight off the Soviets.
02:17:21.000 Well, right, so there were several kind of like layers to it.
02:17:24.000 It's like that number one, right, so in 1979 to 1980, we funded the Mujahideen, which was his group, and funded, armed, and trained them on how to lure a superpower into an unwinnable war and beat them through guerrilla warfare to bankrupt their country. 0.82
02:17:41.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:17:42.000 That one kind of came back to bite us.
02:17:44.000 But then ultimately what happened is that we – so we used these guys and then we ultimately radicalized them against us.
02:17:51.000 And so we – the Americans basically propped up the governments in Egypt and in Saudi Arabia.
02:18:00.000 And these were the governments that they were really like opposed to.
02:18:04.000 And particularly it was the – George H.W. Bush's war in Iraq.
02:18:11.000 Do you remember the not as popular war in Iraq?
02:18:14.000 That everyone said was just a cakewalk.
02:18:16.000 That it was like, oh, we won that easy.
02:18:18.000 And they were celebrating it, and they were doing these specials on TVs, and this just showed how great it was that America can go to war now.
02:18:25.000 It's like, the Soviet Union collapsed, we're the superpower in the world, and look how easy war is.
02:18:30.000 We can just go right in there, topple these countries and win.
02:18:32.000 We don't even have to take the guy out of power.
02:18:34.000 You know?
02:18:35.000 Easy peasy.
02:18:36.000 Except...
02:18:37.000 30 years more of war with that country.
02:18:41.000 And one of the little side effects of that war was that it really pissed off Osama bin Laden.
02:18:48.000 And we put these bases in Saudi Arabia to launch the war, you know, in Iraq.
02:18:54.000 And that really pissed off the bin Ladenites because this is like, you know, their holy land. 0.99
02:19:00.000 And now there's this foreign military with bases in their land.
02:19:03.000 So this was infuriating to them.
02:19:05.000 And then the blockade against Iraq, the sanctions and the continued bombing campaigns by Clinton, where like hundreds of thousands of people died.
02:19:13.000 They were really furious about that.
02:19:15.000 And there was so much like provocative.
02:19:17.000 Have you ever seen the thing?
02:19:19.000 Where Madeleine Albright was asked about the 500,000 children dying in Iraq.
02:19:25.000 No.
02:19:26.000 You ever seen this?
02:19:26.000 No.
02:19:27.000 Jamie, can you find that?
02:19:28.000 Madeleine Albright, 500,000 children dead in Iraq.
02:19:31.000 Just to keep this in mind, they're not talking about the...
02:19:35.000 I think?
02:19:51.000 I'm not saying – I know there's people out there who will argue. 0.96
02:19:53.000 It's like, no, it's because they're crazy terrorists and it's all of this. 0.91
02:19:56.000 I'm saying this is the type of stuff that turned young, angry Muslim people to be willing to join up with Osama bin Laden's cause. 1.00
02:20:05.000 And it's – do you have it?
02:20:07.000 I found a recent article about the protest about her coming out.
02:20:10.000 I'm looking now.
02:20:11.000 YouTube, Madeline Albright, 500,000 kids.
02:20:14.000 It should come up quick. 0.99
02:20:15.000 It's a pretty famous fucking thing. 0.99
02:20:17.000 Yeah, that's it. 0.99
02:20:18.000 The second one right there.
02:20:20.000 Well, it's not linked to YouTube.
02:20:21.000 Oh, oh, oh.
02:20:22.000 It's linked to a website where they're hosting it.
02:20:24.000 Hold on.
02:20:24.000 All right, all right.
02:20:26.000 But yeah, it's just a pretty crazy little moment of what the mentality was for...
02:20:32.000 We have heard that a half a million children have died.
02:20:36.000 I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima.
02:20:41.000 And, you know, is the price worth it?
02:20:45.000 I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it.
02:20:52.000 So, yeah, 500,000 children starving to death is just an acceptable price to make sure that we keep our foreign policy going.
02:21:00.000 That's a crazy statement, but it's also a crazy question.
02:21:03.000 Is the price worth it?
02:21:06.000 Nobody wanted 500,000 kids to die, right?
02:21:10.000 So saying, is the price worth it?
02:21:11.000 And then asking her, and then she has to answer.
02:21:14.000 All of it's nuts.
02:21:15.000 Well, yes, I agree with you, but it's like...
02:21:19.000 And by the way, I've heard people who dispute the number.
02:21:22.000 It was like a UN study that found that.
02:21:24.000 Maybe it wasn't 500,000.
02:21:26.000 It might have only been a couple hundred thousand children. 1.00
02:21:29.000 But this type of shit was going on. 0.99
02:21:32.000 And this is what bin Laden wrote about in his declaration of war against America. 0.99
02:21:38.000 Basically, the complaint was that we...
02:21:41.000 Prop up brutal dictators in the Muslim world. 1.00
02:21:45.000 We prop up Israel, who's oppressing the Palestinians, and that our military interventions in Iraq and in other Muslim countries have killed a whole bunch of innocent people. 0.85
02:21:56.000 And this was the shtick he used to recruit people.
02:21:59.000 Whether he believed it or not, I don't know, but this is what he used to recruit people.
02:22:03.000 And so the lesson of 9-11 should have been That if you do these things in the Middle East, if you have these military interventions, if you kill all these people, if you have your Secretary of State on television saying the price of 500,000 dead children over there is worth it, 0.74
02:22:20.000 there's a cost to that.
02:22:24.000 And in this case, the cost turned out to be 9-11.
02:22:27.000 And the cost turned out to be that people are going to hate you so much that they're willing to try to come kill people over here.
02:22:33.000 And in response to that, We decided, well, the lesson is that we gotta go fight more wars over there.
02:22:41.000 And it's been 20 years of fighting wars since then.
02:22:44.000 21 years of fighting wars since then.
02:22:47.000 And there's only more Bin Ladenite terrorists than there were before.
02:22:51.000 And trillions of dollars and, you know, millions of lives.
02:22:56.000 I mean, like millions.
02:22:57.000 I agree with it.
02:22:59.000 I'm not disputing it.
02:23:00.000 Is there any argument...
02:23:03.000 That people make that is even remotely compelling that if we didn't do that There would have been a superpower with you know nuclear capabilities That is run by a brutal dictator that would have had substantially more control and more ability to enforce their I haven't heard anyone make that argument.
02:23:29.000 I think it's almost impossible for anyone to argue that, as bad as they were, that Saddam Hussein still being here, Gaddafi still being here, would not be a better situation than what we've had. 0.90
02:23:41.000 Can I say this to answer that question?
02:23:43.000 Because I think this is very relevant to what you're asking.
02:23:46.000 Bill Kristol.
02:23:47.000 Do you know who he is?
02:23:48.000 So he was the editor for Weekly Standard.
02:23:51.000 In many ways, he was the leading intellectual neocon.
02:23:55.000 So the Cheney-ite kind of intellectual who was all about all of these wars.
02:24:01.000 So he had a debate.
02:24:03.000 It was an Oxford-style debate at the Soho Forum, which is this debate...
02:24:18.000 It's on YouTube.
02:24:20.000 So there's Bill Kristol and they're debating about regime change wars and whether they're good for America or not.
02:24:26.000 And one person asked Bill Kristol, and this is Bill Kristol.
02:24:30.000 He is the, you know, Bush Cheney.
02:24:33.000 We have to, you know, we have to go fight all this war on terror.
02:24:36.000 He's the biggest cheerleader of all of it.
02:24:38.000 And they asked him, what can you look at to one intervention, one military intervention that was successful?
02:24:45.000 Like, what is one military intervention that you could look at and say this was a success?
02:24:50.000 And he said the Balkans in the 90s.
02:24:55.000 Which I don't agree with, but leaving that aside, he did not even try to point to one of the...
02:25:01.000 He would not even try to say, Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Somalia, or Libya, or Syria, or Niger, or Yemen.
02:25:10.000 He would not even dare, because no one, even he, could not possibly come up with an argument to say that this would have been worse.
02:25:17.000 What did these guys say went wrong?
02:25:20.000 Like, when they say, like, what we would have done differently to be successful in these places, where we would have mitigated all these lives of innocent civilians.
02:25:29.000 Well, there will be some people who, some of those right-wing hawk types, who would have, at the time, at least blamed Obama for not being hawkish enough.
02:25:39.000 You know, he just shouldn't have, he shouldn't have drawed down, he should have surged more, and if only that, we could have won it.
02:25:45.000 But the problem with that is that, I mean, he sent in like 70,000 troops to Afghanistan.
02:25:53.000 Right.
02:25:53.000 Didn't do anything.
02:25:55.000 Just extended the war longer.
02:25:56.000 Look at what happened as we left.
02:25:58.000 It was the same thing as would have happened in the beginning.
02:26:01.000 McMaster thinks that we should have left 10,000 people in Afghanistan to keep the Taliban from coming in and taking over, and then if they wanted to get out their equipment, they should have done it slowly. 0.54
02:26:14.000 They shouldn't have just left everything behind.
02:26:16.000 I think the problem with that, and I don't know, I'd be interested to hear how he would respond to this, but this is a big thing that people like.
02:26:22.000 So we had a very small footprint in Afghanistan toward the end, right?
02:26:26.000 And there wasn't that much violence.
02:26:28.000 And so then a lot of people tend to have this attitude of like, well, then why do we pull them out?
02:26:31.000 We could have just kept them in there.
02:26:33.000 But that's not exactly true.
02:26:34.000 The thing is that we had a deal with the Taliban that we were leaving. 0.97
02:26:39.000 I think?
02:26:59.000 There's no guarantee at all that they would have kept that ceasefire.
02:27:02.000 They might have got right back to war, in which case we would have needed a hell of a lot more than 10,000 people there to do it.
02:27:08.000 So I really don't think there was any way to do this.
02:27:12.000 The best way to do it would have been to not fight the war to begin with.
02:27:16.000 We never needed to go to war with the Taliban.
02:27:18.000 I mean, even if you wanted to go to war to take out al-Qaeda, we did that very quickly after 9-11.
02:27:25.000 And they had bin Laden cornered at one point.
02:27:31.000 And a whole bunch of the military people there were asking for backup.
02:27:49.000 I don't give him credit for a lot of things, but I think he was right about this, that he realized that he was going to be...
02:27:55.000 He was gonna be caught between two decisions, which was either to pull out or surge.
02:28:00.000 I don't think there was an option to just keep the troop levels there.
02:28:04.000 And I think he just wasn't gonna double down on it.
02:28:07.000 Have you seen the latest Kyle Dunnigan, Biden impression?
02:28:12.000 No, I don't think I have.
02:28:13.000 Kyle Dunnigan and Kurt Metzger created a new Biden one.
02:28:18.000 They've got it so down. 0.99
02:28:21.000 His Biden is fucking amazing. 0.99
02:28:23.000 Oh, it's excellent. 0.99
02:28:24.000 It's so good.
02:28:25.000 It's so good, but here, play it, because it's on the Instagram.
02:28:30.000 I put it on my Instagram, too. 0.98
02:28:32.000 It's so fucking good. 0.97
02:28:33.000 Here we go. 0.98
02:28:34.000 Give me some volume.
02:28:40.000 United States.
02:28:42.000 My fellow Jamaicans, the nation is in a crisis. 0.80
02:28:46.000 The Decepticon variant Hobo-19 is still killing fat people. 0.99
02:28:50.000 Inflation is destroying our fart jars and now that Ukraine is being sexually raped. 1.00
02:28:57.000 That is why I've asked Congress to order a full-scale attack on Joe Rogan. 0.96
02:29:01.000 Not Joe Rogan.
02:29:03.000 The Russian guy.
02:29:05.000 The guy with the shirt.
02:29:06.000 Pootie Tang, man.
02:29:08.000 Bad dude.
02:29:10.000 We've got to come together, man.
02:29:12.000 He's got our cranes.
02:29:14.000 He's got all the cranes.
02:29:15.000 We need him for the better Build Back.
02:29:17.000 The Build Back Better.
02:29:19.000 The better Build Back Better plan, man.
02:29:24.000 You say it three times fast, pal.
02:29:26.000 You say it. 1.00
02:29:28.000 I've got a piece of shit over here. 1.00
02:29:33.000 Anyway, let's start the show. 1.00
02:29:36.000 I shoot my shot. 1.00
02:29:39.000 Goddamn, that is perfect. 0.98
02:29:40.000 It's so good, but it's so crazy that like if you did that with Obama people would go but that doesn't make any sense Well, yeah doesn't make any sense if you do that with Clinton, but he's but that's that's not how he is But you do that with Biden and people go oh god, that's so close like there's so many times where he just says a non-word his vision And you're like, 0.76
02:30:02.000 what?
02:30:02.000 How did you just do that?
02:30:03.000 You didn't even correct yourself?
02:30:05.000 You just plowed over this non-word that you said?
02:30:07.000 It's unbelievable.
02:30:08.000 It's like a real emperor-has-no-clothes type situation where it's like even like most people in the corporate press, like Fox News aside, but like CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC types, they hated Trump so much.
02:30:22.000 And I understand why they hated Trump.
02:30:23.000 They wanted him out, thought it was an embarrassment, incompetent, he pissed them off. 0.85
02:30:26.000 So they went in with Biden.
02:30:28.000 But now they're in this position where they have to pretend that they don't see what we all see.
02:30:35.000 Yeah.
02:30:35.000 Like, you just have to pretend.
02:30:37.000 You're not seeing them.
02:30:38.000 Like, they're like, oh, he's a totally competent leader.
02:30:40.000 He's got all his thoughts together totally.
02:30:42.000 Too young.
02:30:42.000 I'd say too young for the job, probably.
02:30:44.000 Nobody's saying that, but they are.
02:30:46.000 But they have to pretend that you don't see a guy who's clearly too old, has clearly lost a step, is, like, completely out of it, and it's...
02:30:53.000 I gotta say, I enjoy it, and I like him being the face.
02:30:57.000 Well, Joe, dude, he's only a year in.
02:30:59.000 Yeah, it's going to go bad.
02:31:01.000 He's a year in.
02:31:02.000 He's a year in.
02:31:03.000 He's aged 40 years in a year.
02:31:05.000 I mean, if you just go look at a speech, I think Joe Biden was, I think he always thought he was smarter than he was, even back in the day.
02:31:14.000 But if you listen to a clip of Joe Biden five years ago, seven years ago, listen to the way he talked, he is clearly...
02:31:23.000 Lost a couple steps since then.
02:31:25.000 And not even before he got into the White House.
02:31:28.000 And now since being in, it's bad.
02:31:31.000 Yeah, I don't know how this whole thing's gonna go.
02:31:34.000 It's not gonna go with him.
02:31:35.000 He's not gonna make it into a second term. 0.97
02:31:37.000 Unless they fucking have that dude in a hyperbaric chamber every day for 90 minutes and they fill him up with steroids and antioxidants. 0.95
02:31:45.000 And then they got Kamala Harris, who almost will have to be their next pick. 0.99
02:31:50.000 No, I don't think so.
02:31:51.000 Well, the problem they're going to have is like I understand why you'd say you don't think so and part of that's because like people don't like her and she's not good at this.
02:31:59.000 But the problem is the Democrat kind of woke establishment.
02:32:06.000 How can they really argue that the vice president, who oh just so happens to be a woman of color, that she should be skipped over?
02:32:15.000 For who?
02:32:16.000 She has the lowest approval ratings in history.
02:32:19.000 Well, why do you think that is, Joe?
02:32:20.000 Because we live in a racist society.
02:32:22.000 No, I'm saying she can make this argument.
02:32:25.000 No, she can't.
02:32:25.000 Not her.
02:32:26.000 The problem is she's so bad.
02:32:29.000 She really is. 0.99
02:32:29.000 She's the worst. 0.99
02:32:30.000 You know, do you think it's time?
02:32:32.000 I think it's time to do what we're always doing where it's always the time.
02:32:37.000 The time is now to be doing the things that we've always been doing.
02:32:42.000 Like, what?
02:32:43.000 She is incredibly bad at this. 0.60
02:32:44.000 She is incredibly bad at this. 0.73
02:32:46.000 She's so bad! 1.00
02:32:48.000 But the problem is, if they do go with her, I mean, man, is she beatable.
02:32:53.000 They're not gonna go with her.
02:32:55.000 She couldn't make it past the primaries of Tulsi Gabbard.
02:32:58.000 Remember that?
02:32:59.000 Tulsi Gabbard nuked her. 1.00
02:33:01.000 It was glorious. 0.99
02:33:02.000 She didn't have a goddamn thing to say because it was all true. 0.99
02:33:05.000 Everything she said was accurate. 0.99
02:33:06.000 And it was a great thing that she took her out on.
02:33:10.000 It's like this idea that I think one of the things that is the most infuriating to regular people is that it's like, and this is one of the things through COVID that's been infuriating to people.
02:33:19.000 You see these videos of the other day with Stacey Abrams in a classroom.
02:33:23.000 Oh my god, isn't that crazy?
02:33:23.000 All the kids have masks on, but you don't.
02:33:26.000 And she's obese. 1.00
02:33:27.000 Right, and you're fine imposing these draconian rules on everybody else, knowing That you're going to live above them. 0.97
02:33:34.000 And in Kamala Harris' case, it was the most despicable hypocrisy. 1.00
02:33:39.000 That you yourself laugh about how you smoked weed, and yet you, as a prosecutor, threw other human beings in cages for lengthy prison sentences for the same thing that you laugh about when admitting you do it. 0.92
02:33:55.000 Like, how despicable.
02:33:57.000 It's despicable.
02:33:58.000 Yeah.
02:33:59.000 And then when Stacey Abrams got confronted about that photo, she cried racism. 0.88
02:34:02.000 Yeah.
02:34:03.000 This is how disgusting my opposition is, that they would use this event on Black History Month.
02:34:08.000 Oh my God. 0.95
02:34:10.000 It's so crazy.
02:34:11.000 Isn't it?
02:34:11.000 It's one of the things I hate the most about COVID, or I shouldn't say hate the most, but one of the things that makes me real uncomfortable, and I noticed this even here today, like in the hotel that I'm staying at, where it's like, it's here in Texas, so like, Most people aren't wearing masks.
02:34:25.000 Like, I'm not wearing a mask in the hotel and stuff.
02:34:26.000 They don't say anything to you about it.
02:34:28.000 There's no mandate anymore.
02:34:28.000 There's no mandate.
02:34:30.000 Now, the staff is, which is a little weird.
02:34:34.000 And some people there are.
02:34:35.000 And it's like, fine, if you want to, go ahead.
02:34:37.000 But most people aren't.
02:34:38.000 But then it's like, you see the maids coming, and they're all masked up.
02:34:42.000 And I'm not.
02:34:44.000 And they come in to clean your room, and they have to wear a mask.
02:34:47.000 And I just hate this feel.
02:34:48.000 There's already this thing where it's kind of like, hey, you're cleaning my room for me.
02:34:54.000 It's already a little bit of a weird feeling like I'm just relaxing and you're cleaning everything up and then you have to I've been at clubs like around the country where like the bus boys have masks on and you're in this environment like you're on stage you're having a lot of fun you're telling jokes everyone's in the audience they're having a lot of fun they're drinking they're laughing everyone's having fun the one person here who's working and doing you know kind of a this isn't really fun I'm bussing tables and that's the guy who's got to wear the mask I guess it's for appearances Well,
02:35:22.000 he's being told he has to, I'd imagine.
02:35:25.000 It's much worse for me when I see these gala events where all the participants are maskless and all the staff have masks on.
02:35:33.000 That's awful.
02:35:33.000 And they're standing there with their hands behind their back.
02:35:36.000 Like your servant class? 0.96
02:35:38.000 They can't even breathe out of their mouth and nose?
02:35:41.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:35:42.000 It's fucking weird, man. 0.97
02:35:44.000 It's weird. 0.99
02:35:45.000 I was watching Bellator the other day, and the Bellator fighters, I don't know if it's like a commission thing, they were in Arizona, they had to put their masks on as they got out of the cage.
02:35:56.000 So here they are. 0.56
02:35:58.000 Having fucking wars in a cage and then like safety first and they get off they gotta put this fucking cloth mask on they were waiting for them at the gate so as soon as they open maybe it was like a Showtime rule cuz they're on Showtime? 0.99
02:36:12.000 MMA it's like you're like the guy's like in your guard and you cut him open with an elbow and he's just bleeding directly into your face but then when you leave they're like don't forget a cloth mask yeah you gotta put that mask on when you walk outside this fucking fenced-in environment of doom Safety first. 0.99
02:36:29.000 I'm so looking forward to this weekend. 0.89
02:36:31.000 Israel Adesanya and Robert Whittaker. 1.00
02:36:33.000 Fuck. 1.00
02:36:34.000 That's an incredible fight. 1.00
02:36:36.000 That's the fight, man.
02:36:37.000 At 185, that's the fight.
02:36:39.000 Bobby Knuckles versus the King.
02:36:42.000 Can Whittaker close the gap between what happened that first time and now?
02:36:46.000 I mean, he's a really, really tough, talented fighter.
02:36:50.000 But... 0.97
02:36:51.000 Goddamn, Izzy really starched him that first time. 1.00
02:36:54.000 Stylebender is so good. 0.97
02:36:56.000 His striking is so elite.
02:37:00.000 The problem with what everybody does compared to what he does is, man, you see an Apollo Costa fight.
02:37:08.000 Where Paulo Costa...
02:37:09.000 I mean, you're talking about a guy who walked down Yoel Romero, right?
02:37:12.000 Paulo Costa smashes people.
02:37:14.000 He just puts it on people. 0.71
02:37:15.000 He comes forward like this juggernaut.
02:37:17.000 And Stylebender just picked him apart.
02:37:20.000 Just picked him apart.
02:37:21.000 Found those openings and just kept chopping at him.
02:37:23.000 And then you see a look on his face towards the end of the first round. 0.99
02:37:27.000 He's realizing, I'm fucked here. 0.99
02:37:29.000 Like, I can't even touch this guy. 0.99
02:37:30.000 I'm getting lit up.
02:37:32.000 Yeah.
02:37:32.000 Like, he was trying to walk him down, and then Adesanya's footwork's so good that he just, like, couldn't, like, walk him down.
02:37:37.000 And he keeps, like, stepping off to the side and hitting him with different shit. 0.95
02:37:41.000 And then he's hitting him with these leg kicks, and he can't get the timing. 0.98
02:37:43.000 And then you kind of see it starting to settle in where it's like, oh, now his leg's really compromised.
02:37:48.000 So now he really can't walk him down because he's just dancing around him.
02:37:52.000 And then he's, like, looking low and coming with high kicks and stuff.
02:37:56.000 And you're like, ah. 0.99
02:37:57.000 Oh shit. 1.00
02:37:58.000 You just see it start to settle into his mind. 1.00
02:38:01.000 It's like you're in quicksand falling deeper and deeper into it. 1.00
02:38:04.000 You're like, I'm fucked. 1.00
02:38:05.000 And then I'm more fucked and more fucked. 1.00
02:38:07.000 And then he's going to hump dance on top of you, too. 1.00
02:38:11.000 That sucks. 0.99
02:38:12.000 Once they stop, he humps you. 0.98
02:38:14.000 The people who really appreciate Stylebender, if you talk to really high-level Muay Thai people, Really high level strikers.
02:38:22.000 They're the ones who are like, dude, what he's doing is art.
02:38:25.000 It's art. 0.98
02:38:26.000 Like the first fight with Whitaker, like towards the end of the first round, he had him fucked. 0.97
02:38:30.000 And then when he KOs him, he's like leaning back, avoiding a shot and cracks him. 0.98
02:38:36.000 He's so good.
02:38:38.000 He's so good.
02:38:38.000 But I want to see what adjustments Whitaker's made.
02:38:42.000 I mean, obviously, I think he's had at least three victories.
02:38:47.000 Pull up Robert Whitaker's...
02:38:48.000 Well, he beat Cannoneer, he beat Gaslam, and I think there was another one in there.
02:38:53.000 I think they were all decisions.
02:38:56.000 But they were pretty one-sided decisions.
02:38:57.000 Super tough guys.
02:38:59.000 And very tough guys and very dominant performances.
02:39:01.000 Yeah.
02:39:02.000 I mean, and you know, remember Gastelum had a war with Stylebender.
02:39:08.000 Yeah.
02:39:09.000 Oh, Darren Till.
02:39:10.000 Yeah, that's right.
02:39:10.000 That's another big one.
02:39:11.000 That's another big one.
02:39:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:39:12.000 So those are three, like, elite fighters.
02:39:16.000 And I believe...
02:39:16.000 Three very good strikers.
02:39:17.000 And I believe he had takedowns in all of those fights, which was not typically the way he had fought.
02:39:24.000 I mean, like, I'm sure he's always had some wrestling, but he wasn't really using his wrestling.
02:39:29.000 I don't remember any fights where he took guys down before then.
02:39:32.000 He was always just knocking guys out and stuffing takedowns and knocking guys out.
02:39:36.000 And so it kind of adds an interesting element to it that he's now been, like, using his offensive wrestling a little bit more because for the Israel Adesanya fight, Whether or not he can take him down, I think he really needs to at least make Israel Adesanya think that he might be trying to take him down. 0.98
02:39:54.000 Well, Marvin Vittori got him down a little bit in the first round, but then Israel stopped all that shit, and he fucked him up. 0.98
02:40:02.000 And Vittori's another one. 1.00
02:40:04.000 Vittori's a fucking gorilla. 1.00
02:40:05.000 That is a big guy. 1.00
02:40:07.000 When I stand next to Vittori, I can't imagine how he makes 185 pounds.
02:40:11.000 I mean, he's so big.
02:40:13.000 He looks like a heavyweight.
02:40:15.000 Whitaker is not that type of big.
02:40:18.000 No, he's not that type of big.
02:40:19.000 But Jan Blachowicz, on the other hand, is a really big guy.
02:40:23.000 And he was able to control Israel, take him down, and really the ground game was where he scored probably the most points and had the most dominance in that fight without a sign yet.
02:40:36.000 So a lot of people look at that performance and say, well, if Jan can do it, maybe this is the way that someone can beat him.
02:40:44.000 I don't think Whitaker is obviously not as big and as strong, but what he could maybe do is I think at least if he can land a takedown or two and at least be able to mix up the threat of a takedown with his very good striking.
02:41:00.000 He's probably not as good as Israel Adesanya's striking, but still very good.
02:41:04.000 I mean, you don't want to get hit by that dude.
02:41:06.000 Maybe that's his way to have a shot.
02:41:07.000 I wouldn't bet on Whittaker in this fight, but I'm interested to see it.
02:41:12.000 It's very interesting.
02:41:13.000 Because Whittaker is so smart and he's really young still.
02:41:17.000 I think Whittaker just turned 30. Let's see, how old is Whittaker?
02:41:21.000 I feel like he's 30. I feel like he's a couple years younger.
02:41:25.000 Yeah, that sounds about right.
02:41:26.000 Just turned 31. Okay.
02:41:29.000 So he's just turned 31 and Israel is 32 or 33?
02:41:38.000 So this is 32. So the most interesting fight right now is that fight.
02:41:44.000 But that's only because Alex Pereira doesn't have a lot of UFC fights.
02:41:48.000 There's still a lot of questions about whether he'll be able to deal with wrestlers.
02:41:53.000 If he can go through the ranks and get enough wins where now he justifies a title shot.
02:42:00.000 But if he does, that would set up the biggest middleweight fight ever.
02:42:07.000 That could be set up after this fight.
02:42:09.000 If Pereira gets one big victory, I mean, think about Yuri Prochaska, right?
02:42:14.000 Yuri's going to fight for the light heavyweight title.
02:42:16.000 Yuri starches Volkan Ozdemir and then he starches Dominic Reyes and they're like, get him in there.
02:42:22.000 Title fight.
02:42:23.000 That's enough.
02:42:24.000 Yeah.
02:42:24.000 I think that's the same with Pereira.
02:42:26.000 I mean, Pereira, the first guy he beat was, you know, not an elite fighter or a top contender, a very good fighter, but he knocked that guy out with that flying knee.
02:42:36.000 But he did, am I getting this right?
02:42:37.000 I think he got taken down in the first round, right?
02:42:39.000 Yes.
02:42:40.000 So I think he got taken down and held down for a little while.
02:42:42.000 Then they reset and round two knocks him out.
02:42:44.000 So it still leaves you with this question in your mind of like, obviously we know the guy's striking is insane.
02:42:50.000 His knockout power is insane.
02:42:52.000 But if a guy at this level already, you know, took you down and held you down, what if Derek Brunson...
02:42:58.000 Exactly.
02:42:59.000 And that guy gets you down.
02:43:01.000 Exactly.
02:43:02.000 Maybe that would be a good fight because isn't Brunson fighting Cannoneer right now?
02:43:06.000 Brunson's fighting Cannoneer.
02:43:07.000 That's a big fight too.
02:43:08.000 So whoever wins that fight, if Brunson wins that fight, which is big because Brunson is a very good wrestler.
02:43:14.000 Then you see Brunson versus Pereira.
02:43:18.000 That actually, if Brunson would sign up for that, that makes sense.
02:43:21.000 It doesn't make sense for Brunson, though, because Brunson's so high in the rankings.
02:43:25.000 No, he probably wants a title shot, or he wants to fight Sean Strickland, and then Winner gets a title fight or something like that.
02:43:30.000 But maybe they're not going to do it that way, and they'd rather build this story and put him in there with someone more likely to strike with him.
02:43:37.000 Sean Strickland.
02:43:38.000 I mean, Sean Strickland might grapple with him, though.
02:43:41.000 I mean, Sean Strickland's boxing is excellent, but I don't know, if you're Sean Strickland and you're fighting that fight, if you were in Sean Strickland's corner, wouldn't you be like, maybe try to take this guy down?
02:43:50.000 Strickland's an unusual character, because Strickland stands so straight up.
02:43:55.000 He stands completely straight up, but guys can't take him down.
02:43:58.000 His boxing's very good there, and that jab is incredible.
02:44:01.000 His distance, his ability to understand distance is so good.
02:44:05.000 And they attribute that to all the rounds that he spars.
02:44:08.000 He apparently spars a lot.
02:44:10.000 He just gets to the gym and he goes to war with everybody.
02:44:13.000 He just does a shitload of rounds.
02:44:14.000 And because of all that sparring, he has this amazing sense of timing and distance.
02:44:20.000 And that guy, Jacker Manson's no joke.
02:44:23.000 He's very good.
02:44:24.000 And he had no chance in taking him down.
02:44:27.000 He never came close to taking it down.
02:44:29.000 Hermansen's an excellent fighter, but whoever the judge is who gave him that fight should not judge fights anymore.
02:44:33.000 Crazy.
02:44:33.000 Never again.
02:44:34.000 I mean, that's insane.
02:44:35.000 Insane.
02:44:35.000 He didn't win a round.
02:44:37.000 He definitely didn't win the fight.
02:44:39.000 You gave him the fight?
02:44:40.000 You gave him the whole fight?
02:44:41.000 Who looks at that fight and feels like, please, take me through it.
02:44:44.000 Explain to me which three rounds you think he won.
02:44:47.000 I don't know who the judge was.
02:44:48.000 We don't even have to call that person out, but whoever it was, don't do that again.
02:44:52.000 Stop! 1.00
02:44:53.000 You don't know what you're doing.
02:44:54.000 Not only that, this isn't even a complicated fight to judge, right?
02:44:57.000 This is not like a jiu-jitsu match where, you know, like, look if a guy takes a guy down and if it turns into more of a jiu-jitsu type situation where he comes really close to finishing with a triangle, really close to finishing with an arm bar, but he gets out of it, and then he hits him with a punch.
02:45:10.000 Like, who wins that exchange?
02:45:12.000 Complicated.
02:45:13.000 Right?
02:45:13.000 There's various factions that would think that the jiu-jitsu guy scored.
02:45:17.000 Other people say, hey, he didn't submit them, so it didn't count.
02:45:19.000 He didn't take any damage.
02:45:21.000 I see those two different arguments, but in this case, it's a stand-up fight.
02:45:24.000 Or even in a stand-up fight, like, let's say, Nate Diaz-Conor McGregor 2, Where you had this round in the second round where Conor McGregor drops Nate Diaz a couple times, but he drops him with one punch, Nate falls to his guard and he's like,
02:45:40.000 come on in, come on in, and he backs up.
02:45:41.000 And then at the end of the round, Nate Diaz puts him against the cage and just unloads with these combinations, hits him with a ton.
02:45:47.000 Now what do you value more?
02:45:49.000 There's a debate there.
02:45:50.000 This isn't boxing.
02:45:51.000 This isn't like an automatic, I have to score it because you drop down.
02:45:54.000 He's telling you, come down with me, and you're backing off.
02:45:57.000 And then he hits.
02:45:58.000 But this wasn't even anything like that.
02:46:00.000 They're just standing.
02:46:01.000 One guy's trying to take the other guy down and can't, and he's getting punched in the head more than he's punching this guy in the head.
02:46:06.000 Clearly, his whole face was swollen up.
02:46:08.000 I mean, it's a really bad decision.
02:46:11.000 And the fact that it was a split decision, I see that it's heartbreaking.
02:46:15.000 That drives me crazy because if you don't know the way it works, folks that are listening, the way the UFC's pay structure works, say if you're Sean Strickland.
02:46:26.000 I don't know what he got per that fight.
02:46:27.000 Let's say he gets $250,000.
02:46:29.000 He might get $250,000 to fight and $250,000 to win.
02:46:34.000 He might get an additional X amount, whatever his paycheck is, to win. 0.97
02:46:39.000 So when they have that kind of a pay structure, you're literally getting robbed of half your pay because a judge sucks, or two judges suck. 0.99
02:46:48.000 All he takes is two judges that suck. 1.00
02:46:50.000 One other guy like that guy, and you're fucked out of your money. 1.00
02:46:54.000 Yeah, it's like you have someone's... 0.97
02:46:55.000 Big John McCarthy used to say this, where he goes, that judges have someone's livelihood in their hands, and refs have someone's health.
02:47:07.000 In their hands.
02:47:08.000 And there's a lot of pressure on that.
02:47:10.000 It's a very important thing.
02:47:13.000 And most of us, I mean, some people are a little bit crazy, but there are fights out there where it really is close.
02:47:19.000 And it's like, look, I understand where someone might see it this way, someone sees it the other way.
02:47:23.000 I understand.
02:47:23.000 So I rewatched recently the Dominic Cruz versus TJ Dillashaw.
02:47:29.000 And that fight is so close, man.
02:47:31.000 And there's so much action, and it's like, I don't really know.
02:47:34.000 I mean, this is...
02:47:35.000 Cruz ended up winning it.
02:47:37.000 I have no problem with that.
02:47:38.000 I'm sure someone in TJ's camp would be like, no way, we won that.
02:47:42.000 I get that, too.
02:47:43.000 It was great.
02:47:44.000 I mean, Dominic was landing these takedowns, but then TJ would pop back up, and then you're like, well, how much does that count for?
02:47:50.000 I mean, he got him down, but he pops right back up.
02:47:52.000 I mean, I don't know.
02:47:53.000 It's like all this stuff is very hard.
02:47:55.000 I forgot that Dominic beat TJ. Yeah, he took his title.
02:47:59.000 Took back his title.
02:48:01.000 Wow.
02:48:01.000 And then he went and lost to Cody.
02:48:06.000 Cody Nola.
02:48:06.000 Yeah.
02:48:06.000 Yeah.
02:48:07.000 Dominick Cruz's last fight was incredible.
02:48:09.000 Incredible.
02:48:10.000 That was one of my favorite fights I've ever watched.
02:48:11.000 It was a Dominick Cruz fight.
02:48:13.000 Like, he's 37 years old, I think, now.
02:48:15.000 And not just that.
02:48:16.000 Turned back the time.
02:48:17.000 But he got caught.
02:48:19.000 Mm-hmm.
02:48:20.000 Bad.
02:48:20.000 First round.
02:48:21.000 In the first round.
02:48:21.000 And then...
02:48:23.000 Fought a dominant Cruz fight after that.
02:48:25.000 And he got caught by Munoz, the guy who knocked out Cody Nolove.
02:48:28.000 Munoz can crack.
02:48:30.000 It was like it answered every question about him.
02:48:32.000 It almost made you go like, ooh, this guy hasn't lost anything.
02:48:36.000 He was moving as good as he's ever moved.
02:48:38.000 He was striking as good as he's ever struck.
02:48:40.000 And his chin held up too.
02:48:42.000 So you're like, well, that's a problem.
02:48:43.000 Well, that's a good argument for him not getting some fights stopped that were stopped like the Henry Cejudo fight where he felt like it was stopped too soon.
02:48:52.000 Like he's like, yeah, I get hurt.
02:48:54.000 Give me a chance.
02:48:55.000 I'll get out of it.
02:48:56.000 That was a little bit quick that stoppage with Cejudo.
02:48:58.000 He did get hurt.
02:48:59.000 He got hurt a little bit quick.
02:49:01.000 I mean, but I'm in his corner in that regard.
02:49:03.000 Like I feel like a referee has to take into account the resiliency of the fighter and guys like Dominick Cruz his mind is so strong.
02:49:11.000 I was so happy to interview him.
02:49:13.000 Yeah.
02:49:14.000 Because I love the guy.
02:49:16.000 So watching him win like that after like...
02:49:19.000 I mean, no one has had their resolve tested more than Dominick Cruz.
02:49:23.000 He's had so many surgeries. 0.98
02:49:24.000 He's had so many fucking catastrophic injuries. 0.99
02:49:27.000 He missed years of his prime. 1.00
02:49:28.000 Yeah.
02:49:28.000 Missed years of his prime.
02:49:30.000 Like when he was the absolute best guy in the division, no question.
02:49:33.000 Came back, got the title back...
02:49:36.000 Then lost it.
02:49:38.000 Then had more injuries after that.
02:49:40.000 Came back and just sort of watched that.
02:49:42.000 It was like, at that point, it's like, I don't even care how you feel about him.
02:49:45.000 You have to be rooting for this dude at this point.
02:49:48.000 You have to be.
02:49:49.000 Yeah, I mean, or not.
02:49:50.000 I mean, whatever.
02:49:50.000 He's an I guess you don't have to, but I think you should.
02:49:53.000 Amazing commentator, too.
02:49:54.000 He's one of my favorite commentators.
02:49:55.000 He's so technical.
02:49:57.000 He's very good at breaking down scenarios and what's happening because he's not just an MMA fighter and not just an analyst, but he also coaches people.
02:50:07.000 He has a website now.
02:50:09.000 I believe he has a website dedicated to tutorials specifically on his footwork, which is amazing.
02:50:16.000 Dominic Cruz is a real innovator in terms of footwork and movement.
02:50:21.000 When he came along, it took Alpha Male, many fighters, to fight him before they kind of cracked the code.
02:50:29.000 And they cracked it with Cody, but I attribute a lot of that to Cody's skills lined up well with Dominic's skills. 0.98
02:50:36.000 Cody was a very good wrestler who is wicked boxing, knockout power, and he's fast as Fuck. 0.90
02:50:41.000 The speed was a big factor in that too. 0.98
02:50:44.000 Big factor.
02:50:45.000 And it was also the team at Alpha Male had prepared Uriah Faber or TJ. They had prepared for Dominic so many times.
02:50:54.000 They knew what to expect.
02:50:56.000 They had a lot of his patterns sort of in their head.
02:50:59.000 Yeah, for sure.
02:51:01.000 Who else is on this weekend?
02:51:02.000 Oh, Tai Tuivasa and Derek Lewis.
02:51:05.000 For who gets to be that guy in the division?
02:51:08.000 That's a good fight, too.
02:51:10.000 Derek Lewis and Tai Tuivasa is a great fight.
02:51:12.000 You know, they're talking about Jon Jones and Stipe for an interim title because Francis has to get his knee reconstructed.
02:51:18.000 Well, I saw Jon Jones tweeted calling him out.
02:51:21.000 I hope that happens.
02:51:23.000 What else is going on in this card?
02:51:25.000 Anything else?
02:51:26.000 The Pete Bull! 0.83
02:51:27.000 Yeah, how about Andre Olowski?
02:51:29.000 Still doing it. 0.99
02:51:30.000 Fucking swinging. 1.00
02:51:31.000 Keep swinging. 1.00
02:51:32.000 Well, it's the cannoneer Derek Brunson.
02:51:34.000 That's a big fight.
02:51:35.000 That's the one we were talking about.
02:51:35.000 It's a very big fight.
02:51:36.000 Ever since Derek Brunson dyed his hair blonde, he's undefeated.
02:51:38.000 You don't want to see blonde Derek Brunson in the octagon. 1.00
02:51:42.000 Blonde Brunson's the wrong guy. 1.00
02:51:43.000 Well, he does seem to have really turned a corner, where he kind of went from being this guy who was almost falling into a gatekeeper type status, like we start thinking you're a real contender if you can beat Derrick Brunson, to going on this streak now where you're like, ooh, Derrick Brunson is actually really looking like he's putting it all together now.
02:52:01.000 That's pretty interesting. 0.93
02:52:03.000 That's another example of how goddamn good Stylebender is. 0.96
02:52:07.000 Stylebender lit him up like a Christmas tree. 0.98
02:52:09.000 Yeah.
02:52:10.000 Yeah, he did.
02:52:11.000 That was...
02:52:12.000 That was the one...
02:52:13.000 That's almost what I meant by that, is that was the fight where we all, like, kind of started realizing how good he was putting it together for MMA. Yeah.
02:52:21.000 You know, like, where you're like, oh, wow, and he can really deal...
02:52:23.000 And with a wrestler, too.
02:52:24.000 And he was really able to deal with that.
02:52:26.000 Such a great sport.
02:52:28.000 Yeah, it's the best.
02:52:29.000 I never get tired of watching fights.
02:52:31.000 I never, never get tired of it.
02:52:32.000 It's the only, uh, it's the only spot.
02:52:34.000 I mean, I grew up loving, like, I loved basketball and I loved, I used to, I used to play basketball.
02:52:39.000 I used to love watching baseball and football and all this.
02:52:41.000 I don't watch any sport anymore, but I watch all the UFCs.
02:52:44.000 Yeah.
02:52:44.000 Because I just can't.
02:52:45.000 It's like, I got two kids now, and I got a career, and got all this stuff, so you're like, look, I can only justify so much time that I'm spending on this, you know?
02:52:53.000 And it's like, but there's one, I'm going to pick one, and if I have to pick one, that's like, I'm not going to miss the UFC. Exactly.
02:53:01.000 I don't care. 1.00
02:53:02.000 Dave Smith, you're the fucking man. 1.00
02:53:04.000 Thanks for coming. 1.00
02:53:05.000 I appreciate you.
02:53:05.000 Dude, thank you so much, brother.
02:53:06.000 I always enjoy it. 0.94
02:53:07.000 You're a fucking, I'm just, in awe of you, dude, it's incredible what you've built here, man. 0.99
02:53:13.000 It's an accident. 0.99
02:53:14.000 Well, it's a glorious accident.
02:53:16.000 And whether you want it or not, now you have it.
02:53:18.000 Okay.
02:53:19.000 I'll take it.
02:53:21.000 Oh, can I just say that?
02:53:22.000 By the way, my podcast is part of the problem, but me and Lewis just started doing an MMA podcast.
02:53:27.000 Oh, nice.
02:53:27.000 Yo MMA Rap.
02:53:28.000 Every week we wrap up the last week in MMA. And we're just idiots about it. 0.99
02:53:33.000 Is your logo like Yo MTV Raps? 1.00
02:53:35.000 You know it is, Joe Rogan.
02:53:36.000 You know it is.
02:53:38.000 But we're just literally, it's just being like silly and funny and having fun with it.
02:53:42.000 But yeah, check that out.
02:53:43.000 Beautiful.
02:53:44.000 All right.
02:53:44.000 And Instagram, Twitter, it's all Dave Smith?
02:53:47.000 At Comic Dave Smith on Twitter, at The Problem Dave Smith on Instagram.
02:53:51.000 Okay.
02:53:51.000 Beautiful.
02:53:52.000 Thank you, brother.
02:53:52.000 Thank you.
02:53:53.000 Bye, everybody.