The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1804 - Bill Maher

00:00:16.000 So what was the decision to jump into the podcasting arena?

00:00:20.000 Not enough podcasts in the world?

00:00:21.000 Well, that was certainly one.

00:00:24.000 It is the law.

00:00:26.000 No, you know, it was a bunch of things.

00:00:28.000 First of all, If you had said to me, when did you start, 2009?

00:00:35.000 Yeah.

00:00:35.000 And what year did you become the king?

00:00:39.000 Five years ago, probably.

00:00:40.000 Five years ago, okay.

00:00:41.000 So if you said to me 10 years ago, podcasting is going to be huge.

00:00:46.000 It's really going to be where media moves.

00:00:48.000 It's going to be bigger than radio at its height. 0.83

00:00:52.000 I'd say, are you crazy?

00:00:55.000 But, you know, partly because of you, it did. 0.97

00:00:58.000 And so it's sort of undeniable now.

00:01:01.000 And I also was out to dinner too many times with people who said, you know, you're so interesting to talk to when it's not about politics.

00:01:13.000 You know, you should do a podcast that's not about politics.

00:01:16.000 And I was always saying, well, first of all, my network would never let me do that. 0.99

00:01:21.000 They own my ass. 0.99

00:01:22.000 They pay me very well for exclusivity. 0.99

00:01:24.000 But I found out that actually, you know what, I can, if I asked nicely, and they were nice about it, and do it in a very different way, which is what we did, I could do a podcast.

00:01:37.000 And have it not be about politics.

00:01:39.000 And it's a whole new audience because there's just a lot of people who are turned off to politics and don't want to talk about politics and don't want to hear about it.

00:01:47.000 And sometimes I'm that guy.

00:01:49.000 Sometimes I don't want to hear about it.

00:01:51.000 And there's too many people who are divorced from shall we say knowing things.

00:01:59.000 You know, I had this...

00:02:01.000 That's a great way to put it.

00:02:02.000 Divorce from knowing things is a great way to put it. 0.93

00:02:05.000 I mean, I'm not saying they're dumb.

00:02:08.000 Not at all. 0.97

00:02:08.000 They're just... 0.97

00:02:09.000 I had this guy on.

00:02:12.000 We tape.

00:02:13.000 He hadn't dropped yet.

00:02:14.000 And I said to him...

00:02:16.000 He asked me sort of the same question.

00:02:18.000 Why are you doing this podcast?

00:02:19.000 And I was going through this...

00:02:20.000 Very similar explanation.

00:02:22.000 I said, for example, on Real Time last week, the two topics we talked about were the ACLU and NATO. And he's 30 and he said, yeah, I don't know what either one of those are.

00:02:32.000 I said, exactly.

00:02:33.000 This is the problem.

00:02:35.000 Or the solution is that we can have this nice conversation.

00:02:38.000 You're a bright guy.

00:02:39.000 But I can't...

00:02:41.000 You would not be that interested in Real Time because even though it's a comedy show and there's a lot of funny stuff that anybody could laugh at...

00:02:48.000 Yeah, when it comes to the panel discussion, it was mostly about NATO and the ACLU. Whereas this show, you know, the podcast, you know, it's just about anything.

00:03:00.000 It's just much more personal.

00:03:03.000 And, you know, I can be...

00:03:05.000 Like, dressed like this.

00:03:07.000 I'm not the guy in the suit and the tie and the white shirt with perfect hair.

00:03:11.000 And I can just, you know, and also I can, like we're doing here, be much more free would be the word I would say before we had to dance around the fact that, no, we can get baked.

00:03:26.000 We can drink and we can smoke, which is what we would do normally.

00:03:32.000 And I felt like, you know, there's not a lot of podcasts that have a nighttime feel.

00:03:36.000 And I had a place in my house that was like perfect for that.

00:03:40.000 And we kind of made it into a club.

00:03:42.000 We called it Club Random.

00:03:44.000 And I said, you know, I get high with people here anyway.

00:03:47.000 Like one night a week just having fun. 0.99

00:03:50.000 If I just turned the cameras on, we'd have a fucking show. 0.99

00:03:54.000 Yeah, that's awesome. 0.99

00:03:55.000 It's great that HBO is wise enough to let you do that, too, because I think it would only enhance your show.

00:04:00.000 It's not going to take away from it.

00:04:02.000 We already have, from the commentary, from when people write in to YouTube and so forth, saying, oh, I'm going to take a look at Realtime now.

00:04:10.000 And that was part of my argument, was like, if you want to get anyone under 40 who don't follow politics that well, you're going to have to fish somewhere else than where you've been fishing. 0.82

00:04:22.000 And when you do fish in this new pond, you will get people who will come over to your pond.

00:04:29.000 Well, I think one of the things that opened up a lot of people to your show during the pandemic, especially, was these clips that you guys were putting up.

00:04:36.000 And I think that having those kind of clips, those kind of, you know, viral clips of some of your monologues and some of your rants, I think those opened up a lot of younger people to it as well.

00:04:49.000 Same kind of thing, like using an alternative media.

00:04:52.000 Yes.

00:04:52.000 And of course, nowadays, we live in a time when people digest things, not necessarily in the form that they were made.

00:05:00.000 They get little clips.

00:05:02.000 I mean, James Corden does singing in a car with people, the karaoke.

00:05:08.000 A lot of people see that much more than who stay up till 1230. And watch that whole show through their toes like they used to Johnny Carson and sit through commercials.

00:05:18.000 I mean, I honestly don't know how those shows still last in the year 2022. Who would sit there and watch commercials that take up probably 30% of the show?

00:05:30.000 But I guess it still must work.

00:05:32.000 There's something there still, but it's a trap format.

00:05:35.000 You know, those kind of trap formats that only appear at a certain time and...

00:05:39.000 They're only good for a certain amount of, you know, minutes before they have to cut the commercial.

00:05:43.000 It's just so limiting.

00:05:45.000 There's so, you know...

00:05:47.000 It seems an anachronism to me in this day and age.

00:05:52.000 But, you know, I do a show that has no commercials.

00:05:55.000 That's the difference.

00:05:55.000 You can watch it all the way through.

00:05:57.000 But I certainly know that people anatomize it, rather.

00:06:03.000 They just want to watch...

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:24.000 Well, I mean, I said to him, you're a lot funnier than people know. 0.99

00:06:29.000 His reputation is the tough guy, you know, fuck this. 0.99

00:06:33.000 And really, he's very funny. 0.99

00:06:36.000 I saw a play he wrote in New York in 2008 called November.

00:06:39.000 It was a political thing.

00:06:40.000 But it was just like one laugh after another.

00:06:43.000 It was just...

00:06:44.000 I said to him, it's like a Neil Simon play if Neil Simon had ever been funny.

00:06:51.000 Just people really laughing in the theater every 30 seconds.

00:06:56.000 Laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh.

00:06:57.000 That is not how people think of David Mamet.

00:06:59.000 And his book I read, it's fantastic.

00:07:03.000 I mean, I don't agree with every single thing in it.

00:07:06.000 But there is a certain type of person, and he is one of them, that just has this breadth of knowledge that comics like us, as much as we might try and kind of stay up and read, we're just not in that league.

00:07:19.000 And, you know, it's like I couldn't play basketball with the Lakers either, you know?

00:07:24.000 There are just people like that, Salman Rushdie, people who are just, they've read everything, they know everything.

00:07:30.000 And so when they write a book like that, they're very often making references to things, oh, I know that name.

00:07:37.000 And then you tell me something, oh, I didn't know that about it.

00:07:41.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:07:43.000 And it's almost like the cliff notes for being a true intellectual.

00:07:48.000 Yeah, there's some stunningly well-read people out there.

00:07:50.000 And when you talk to them on a podcast, you realize, like, oh, I would have never known there's people like you if I wasn't talking to you.

00:07:56.000 Right.

00:07:57.000 Exactly.

00:07:58.000 And I'm so glad that they can read everything because I just don't have that.

00:08:02.000 George Will is another one who just has this...

00:08:05.000 I mean, he's 80 and he still writes these amazing columns every week that, again, do I always agree with every word?

00:08:13.000 No, but every word is a fantastic word.

00:08:15.000 I mean, the way he can put together sentences and he must do it, not quite on the fly, but with this, I mean, amazing output of...

00:08:24.000 I would say at least two or three times a week he produces this column.

00:08:29.000 And then books.

00:08:30.000 I had them on like a year ago for a doorstop.

00:08:34.000 It was like this.

00:08:35.000 It was six inches thick.

00:08:37.000 And it was like a compendium of everything that you'd ever want to know about conservatism in America.

00:08:43.000 I was like, wow, I just...

00:08:45.000 I mean, I can't...

00:08:46.000 I just don't...

00:08:47.000 That's not my brain.

00:08:48.000 And I don't even wish it was.

00:08:50.000 Because I don't think I'd be as happy.

00:08:52.000 No.

00:08:52.000 Well, we need you, and we need him, too.

00:08:56.000 This is why we need a lot of different kinds of people.

00:08:59.000 Right, and you.

00:08:59.000 Yeah, you're not going to be that guy and also be a great stand-up.

00:09:04.000 No.

00:09:04.000 Right.

00:09:05.000 You don't have the time.

00:09:06.000 You can't do everything.

00:09:07.000 Right.

00:09:08.000 But I think one of the things you said that's so important is, I don't agree with everything they say.

00:09:13.000 I don't agree with a lot of things a lot of people say, but I still want to hear him talk.

00:09:18.000 Absolutely.

00:09:18.000 That's what's missing today.

00:09:20.000 The polarization in this country, and I think a lot of it accentuated by the relationship that people had with Trump.

00:09:26.000 It turned people into this, like, you're one or zero.

00:09:29.000 You're with us or against us.

00:09:31.000 And I think that's bonkers.

00:09:33.000 No, it is.

00:09:34.000 I mean, it's funny.

00:09:35.000 For the first time in my life, I'm really getting a mixed audience at stand-up shows.

00:09:41.000 Nice.

00:09:42.000 Mixed, I'm talking about politically.

00:09:44.000 Yeah.

00:09:44.000 That really doesn't happen anymore in America.

00:09:48.000 Maybe it happens to you somewhat.

00:09:49.000 I get it for sure.

00:09:50.000 I get blue hairs and cowboy hats.

00:09:53.000 I get all kinds of weirdos that come.

00:09:56.000 But you get...

00:09:59.000 I'm talking about liberal Democrats plus conservative Republicans.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, they're weird.

00:10:04.000 It's a weird mingling sometimes when I meet them out in public.

00:10:07.000 Sometimes it's like old ladies. 1.00

00:10:08.000 That one freaks me out.

00:10:10.000 Well, I think that's because we are both seen as people who are sort of like...

00:10:15.000 Commonsensical.

00:10:16.000 And that is what there is a hunger for, I think, in America more than anything, is common sense.

00:10:24.000 Away from the extremes.

00:10:26.000 I mean, when people say to me, you know, don't you think you've gotten more conservative?

00:10:31.000 No, I haven't. 0.97

00:10:32.000 The left has gotten goofier.

00:10:34.000 So I seem more conservative, maybe, but, like, it's not me who changed.

00:10:40.000 I feel I'm the same guy.

00:10:42.000 But five years ago, We hadn't spent six trillion dollars to stay home.

00:10:48.000 I mean, I understand we had to do something with the pandemic.

00:10:51.000 I'm not sure that was...

00:10:52.000 I remember when a trillion dollars was too much to spend on anything.

00:10:56.000 We didn't spend a trillion to bail out the economy in 2008. So we didn't do that.

00:11:04.000 Five years ago, no one was talking about abolishing the police.

00:11:09.000 There was no talk about pregnant men.

00:11:17.000 Looting was still illegal.

00:11:21.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:11:23.000 Have I changed?

00:11:25.000 No, because if someone had said 20 years ago, I'm not sure looting is a bad thing, I would have opposed it then.

00:11:33.000 So I haven't changed.

00:11:35.000 But that, I think, is what there is this hunger for, is this sort of common sense.

00:11:40.000 You know, centrism is such a wishy-washy word.

00:11:44.000 But that's sort of what it is.

00:11:47.000 Some people lean a little more to the left, a little more to the right.

00:11:51.000 Sometimes it's issue by issue.

00:11:52.000 But just...

00:11:55.000 I'm always saying to the Democrats, just don't be the party of no common sense. 0.99

00:12:00.000 And you will be surprised at how much amazing success you will have, as opposed to what's going to happen, which is they're going to get their ass kicked in November. 0.97

00:12:09.000 Well, people like you are very important to people like me because you represent what it means to me to be liberal, what it means to me to be left-wing, because you're just a normal person who cares about people's rights and wants a certain amount of freedom and wants people to get along and work things out amicably. 0.95

00:12:33.000 But the polarization in this country has made it so that people like you are rare.

00:12:38.000 It's weird.

00:12:39.000 It's like that's what I used to think of when I thought of the left.

00:12:41.000 I thought of like professors and, you know, intellectuals and these people that would sit down and work through things with the understanding that free speech is one of the most important aspects of communication possible.

00:12:55.000 And communication is everything.

00:12:57.000 Communication is how we work things out.

00:12:58.000 Like this idea of not talking to people you disagree with.

00:13:01.000 Well, guess what?

00:13:01.000 That just galvanizes them.

00:13:03.000 They just get hardened, and they move further and further away, and we get more and more associated with this idea of left and right, and good and bad, and one and zero, and this side does not agree with anything that side says.

00:13:16.000 That's crazy.

00:13:17.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:13:18.000 And if you're out there doing it, it gives people hope.

00:13:21.000 And it's not just what you're saying, common sense.

00:13:24.000 You do have common sense.

00:13:25.000 But more importantly, you have courage.

00:13:27.000 Because courage allows you to speak your mind whether you're right or wrong.

00:13:31.000 Courage allows you to take a chance.

00:13:33.000 And you're seeing the wave of people that are moving in a certain direction.

00:13:36.000 It doesn't necessarily make sense. 0.99

00:13:37.000 And you're like, hey, what the fuck is going on? 0.97

00:13:41.000 And everybody's like, finally, someone's saying it on TV. Because maybe someone said it at a cocktail party. 1.00

00:13:47.000 Maybe someone said it at a barbecue. 0.98

00:13:48.000 But they're not fucking saying it on HBO until you say it on HBO. Well, thank you. 0.98

00:13:53.000 I appreciate that.

00:13:54.000 It means a lot.

00:13:55.000 I always say, you know, there's levels of courage.

00:13:58.000 There's like, yeah, I mean, I will take that compliment.

00:14:02.000 As long as I can also say, but there's like Marines.

00:14:06.000 Yeah, you're not a Navy SEAL. Absolutely.

00:14:10.000 You're not even a woman about to give birth. 0.97

00:14:12.000 I'm in the D-League.

00:14:13.000 In the D-League, I have a lot of courage, but I'm not playing in the upper league.

00:14:18.000 Which you have is honesty.

00:14:19.000 But thank you.

00:14:19.000 You have honesty.

00:14:21.000 And people know that, and that's why your show works.

00:14:23.000 And that's also I always feel like what my bond with the audience is.

00:14:27.000 When I started way back on Politically Incorrect almost 30 years ago, people said, you know, this show will never work because a TV host can never reveal his politics.

00:14:40.000 I mean, Johnny Carson never did.

00:14:42.000 Leno didn't.

00:14:43.000 David Letterman.

00:14:44.000 They never said, I'm voting for this guy.

00:14:47.000 Whereas, I mean, you obviously know who all the late-night hosts are for now.

00:14:51.000 Right.

00:14:51.000 I mean, it's a completely one-sided thing.

00:14:54.000 They have to pander to the liberal audience, which just watches them.

00:14:58.000 It's so reverse of when I started.

00:15:01.000 It's bonkers.

00:15:01.000 When you couldn't be political, and now you couldn't survive, apparently, I would put Saturday Night Live in this, too.

00:15:15.000 I think Elon Musk took them to task.

00:15:18.000 He said it doesn't seem like a show that's about comedy anymore so much as it is about comedy.

00:15:25.000 Declaring some woke doctrine.

00:15:27.000 Yeah.

00:15:27.000 And, you know, having people, the people who go to those shows and are in, I guess, where they film them and stuff.

00:15:35.000 My audience was too doctrinated for a while.

00:15:39.000 We have a much better audience now because we kind of got rid of the groaners, the people for whom I was always too politically incorrect. 0.99

00:15:45.000 And I was like, I've been doing this forever!

00:15:48.000 The names of the shows, politically incorrect, real time, and you still come to this show and groan when I say something too real? 0.99

00:15:56.000 What fucking show did you think you were coming to? 0.96

00:16:00.000 Because they do film The Price is Right in the same studio. 0.99

00:16:04.000 Do you think that the way it's going right now with late night television where everyone has to be political, is that what the audience wants or is that what the executives in the studio wants?

00:16:15.000 Are they one step behind?

00:16:19.000 Where is the mandate coming from?

00:16:22.000 Is it the person who's the host who says, you know what I know works in this town if I want to keep working?

00:16:26.000 I have to be like, Outwardly left-leaning progressive political.

00:16:31.000 Look, I think it's coming from both because corporations in America now are...

00:16:37.000 They're leaning in.

00:16:38.000 Or what?

00:16:38.000 They're leaning into woke.

00:16:40.000 Hardcore.

00:16:41.000 They're petrified of some kind of backlash.

00:16:45.000 I mean, you see with Disney now.

00:16:46.000 I mean, Disney, one of the most gay-friendly companies that we've had in a very long time...

00:16:55.000 As they should be.

00:16:56.000 Old company should be gay friendly. 0.63

00:16:57.000 But Disney sort of, they had gay days. 0.51

00:17:00.000 Yeah.

00:17:00.000 At Disney, what is it?

00:17:02.000 World?

00:17:02.000 Land?

00:17:02.000 I don't know.

00:17:03.000 I'm not at Disney.

00:17:04.000 I think it was the LA one, right?

00:17:05.000 You'll never find me in it.

00:17:06.000 I think it's Land.

00:17:07.000 Disneyland is the original.

00:17:09.000 That's right.

00:17:09.000 Disney World is in Florida.

00:17:11.000 Right.

00:17:11.000 You'll never find me sitting in a teacup, Joe.

00:17:14.000 I love teacups.

00:17:16.000 I mean, this is in my category of things that only children used to do that now adults do.

00:17:23.000 I mean, if I had a nickel for every time somebody said, you know, I'm going to Disneyland and I'm like, with your kids?

00:17:29.000 No, we're just going.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 Okay.

00:17:31.000 But, you know, there is that.

00:17:34.000 There is corporations, I think, yes, are always going to want to – and look, I'm glad they are progressive thinking.

00:17:40.000 Of course, like with everything on the left these days, they just take it too far.

00:17:44.000 But I think it's coming from the audience more because the audience – Who goes to a taping of Saturday Night Live or a show like that.

00:17:55.000 They're youngish.

00:17:57.000 And, you know, they believe what they believe.

00:18:01.000 A lot of the things I also believe.

00:18:05.000 But it's sort of an unexamined, like...

00:18:08.000 They don't know too much about politics.

00:18:10.000 They just know that—and again, you mentioned Trump doing this.

00:18:14.000 Like, he was so awful that it's just very easy to turn off to the details and go, well, I'm with the Democrats and the left.

00:18:20.000 He was so polarizing that if you supported him, you weren't supporting his policies at all.

00:18:25.000 You were supporting the personality.

00:18:27.000 It was more, right?

00:18:29.000 It's also, I mean, from my point of view, the Republicans, they don't believe in climate change and the emergency of that.

00:18:37.000 Is that a generalization?

00:18:38.000 That's pretty true.

00:18:40.000 All of them don't believe in climate change?

00:18:42.000 Well, they certainly don't act like they do.

00:18:43.000 What do they believe if they don't believe in climate change? 0.98

00:18:46.000 For years, they put up one bullshit talking point after another that they knew was false. 0.85

00:18:52.000 Like they would get a hold of a Newsweek from 1982 that had a cover story that said, the earth is cooling. 0.98

00:18:59.000 Oh, look, the earth is cooling for now it's heating. 0.99

00:19:03.000 They don't know what the fuck they're talking about. 0.98

00:19:04.000 Or they would take one data point on the timeline. 0.99

00:19:08.000 Like there was a, you know, because it doesn't go in a straight line climate if you measure it year by year.

00:19:15.000 But we see the trend.

00:19:17.000 So they would take like 1998, I think, was a year when it was exceptionally hot.

00:19:21.000 And then it went down again.

00:19:23.000 And so look at the line.

00:19:24.000 And you can draw a graph to make it look like...

00:19:26.000 If you don't think it's happening and it's an emergency...

00:19:30.000 Now, what we do about it is a different story.

00:19:32.000 But for years, they just denied it.

00:19:34.000 They went right from denying it to, okay, well, it's happening, but now it's too late.

00:19:38.000 So, look, we are all just going to enjoy it.

00:19:41.000 I've said it many times.

00:19:42.000 America and the world in general has decided we are Thelma and Louise.

00:19:47.000 We're...

00:19:47.000 We're holding hands and we're just driving off the Grand Canyon.

00:19:51.000 And as long as we're doing that, I'm not going to be the only one who's not having a good time with the earth.

00:19:58.000 But, you know, anyway, my point was they don't believe in really what emergency that is.

00:20:04.000 And they also don't really believe in democracy anymore.

00:20:06.000 So I do think the Republicans at this moment are worse.

00:20:10.000 I think they've always been worse and completely unsavable unless they switch on that. 1.00

00:20:16.000 Whereas the Democrats, I think, are savable, even though they're so fucking goofy. 0.96

00:20:21.000 And when people say, you know, you never used to make fun of the left as much because they didn't give me the material. 0.99

00:20:27.000 And now they're so ridiculous on so many things that as a comedian, of course, I'm going to go where the material is.

00:20:34.000 Isn't it fascinating that the warming of the actual planet itself became so political and so polarizing that if you're a person...

00:20:44.000 For example, if you're a person on the left, you basically...

00:20:48.000 I think most people on the left believe in a woman's right to choose. 0.79

00:20:53.000 Most.

00:20:54.000 Most people believe in abortion rights.

00:20:57.000 Whereas, if you think about the environment, that's one of those ones.

00:21:01.000 If you tell me you don't believe that the Earth is warming, I go, oh, he's a right-wing guy.

00:21:06.000 I wonder if he's one of them hardcore Anne Rind right-wing guys.

00:21:10.000 What kind of right-wing guys is he?

00:21:13.000 Immediately, though.

00:21:13.000 If you don't believe in climate change, I assume you're just on the right.

00:21:17.000 But I've talked to a lot of people that are on the left that don't believe in it either.

00:21:21.000 Really?

00:21:21.000 Yeah.

00:21:22.000 Like who?

00:21:22.000 Not that they don't believe in it.

00:21:24.000 But they believe that there's this long – it's a fascinating conversation because I honestly don't have an opinion other than it's dangerous if the earth warms.

00:21:34.000 I don't have an opinion about the science.

00:21:35.000 Well, I mean, it's not an opinion and it's not something you believe in.

00:21:39.000 It's not a religion.

00:21:40.000 Of course, it's science.

00:21:40.000 It's a real scientific fact.

00:21:42.000 What I'm saying is we've had two different people come on that analyze the science from two very different viewpoints.

00:21:47.000 They both had incredibly compelling points.

00:21:49.000 No, you can.

00:21:50.000 I mean, there are things that the left should hear about the climate that they wouldn't know.

00:21:58.000 George Will writes about it often.

00:22:00.000 That are true things.

00:22:02.000 But they don't, at the end of the day, change the basic theme here, which is that the earth is warming.

00:22:10.000 That probably isn't good.

00:22:11.000 It's coming from man.

00:22:13.000 I mean, it's not just...

00:22:15.000 There are cycles, of course, in weather and climate in the Earth.

00:22:18.000 But this is something different.

00:22:20.000 Those cycles happen, too.

00:22:22.000 And look, maybe somebody will come along and invent some great machine that...

00:22:26.000 Sucks the carbon out.

00:22:27.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:22:28.000 Or some shit like that. 1.00

00:22:29.000 I hope they do, because if they don't, we're fucked. 0.99

00:22:34.000 Because no one's really going to do anything about it. 0.99

00:22:36.000 We're just not...

00:22:38.000 We're equipped to handle problems that happen slowly.

00:22:43.000 We're the proverbial frog in the boiling pot.

00:22:48.000 We are hooked on convenience.

00:22:51.000 I did a thing on my show one night about...

00:22:54.000 Little Greta from Sweden, you know, the teenager who's always, what's her name, Greta Thunberg?

00:23:03.000 Thunberg, yeah.

00:23:04.000 Okay, so...

00:23:04.000 How dare you?

00:23:06.000 That girl. 0.91

00:23:07.000 Little Greta, you know, with the scowl on her face. 1.00

00:23:10.000 And I showed that she had like 11 million followers.

00:23:14.000 On Instagram.

00:23:16.000 And Kylie Jenner, who's about the same age, a little older, but very close, has like 300 million.

00:23:23.000 And one of them is always in a private jet.

00:23:26.000 And one of them takes a sailboat.

00:23:28.000 She takes a sailboat around? 1.00

00:23:30.000 That's pretty gangster.

00:23:32.000 Because she didn't want to use... 1.00

00:23:35.000 Right, of course.

00:23:36.000 Using the wind power.

00:23:37.000 That's pretty gangster.

00:23:38.000 She came to the UN as a teenager in a sailboat.

00:23:41.000 Wow.

00:23:42.000 But...

00:23:42.000 What I'm saying is...

00:23:43.000 I like her more now.

00:23:44.000 Kylie has so many more followers.

00:23:48.000 Obviously the kids want to be Kylie.

00:23:50.000 They want to be in the private jet.

00:23:53.000 You know who doesn't take private jets?

00:23:56.000 Only people who can't.

00:23:59.000 Anyone who could, does.

00:24:01.000 It's almost impossible to resist.

00:24:03.000 Even environmentalists are always caught taking private jets.

00:24:08.000 Really.

00:24:09.000 They are.

00:24:09.000 They really are.

00:24:11.000 So, like, just don't fucking lie to me. 0.99

00:24:14.000 Don't gaslight me. 0.99

00:24:15.000 Right, right.

00:24:16.000 You know, I mean, we are...

00:24:17.000 It is a real thing.

00:24:18.000 I mean, the UN, their interclimatary panel, puts out a thing every...

00:24:25.000 I don't know, a year or so.

00:24:26.000 And I just saw it.

00:24:28.000 It was last week in the paper.

00:24:29.000 And it said, like, if we don't...

00:24:32.000 It's like my dog.

00:24:34.000 I'm gonna...

00:24:36.000 I mean, this has been going on the entire century.

00:24:38.000 If we don't do this by 2011, it's too...

00:24:42.000 And it's like, I agree.

00:24:44.000 I think that's true.

00:24:45.000 And yet, they keep saying it.

00:24:47.000 And now this one is like, if we don't, like, switch this up real fast by 2028 or something...

00:24:54.000 The tipping point and it's over.

00:24:55.000 It's like, you know what?

00:24:56.000 I'm sure that is actually going to happen.

00:24:58.000 We are going to hit that tipping point.

00:25:00.000 But you've said it so many times.

00:25:02.000 I remember James Hansen of NASA said it, I think, it might have been on my first year of my show in 2003, or maybe I just read it that year.

00:25:11.000 But he said definitely like in 10 years, which would be 2013. If we haven't completely reversed how much carbon we use, it's like, okay.

00:25:20.000 And things are bad.

00:25:21.000 I mean, California, one reason it is tempting to move is just the fires. 0.98

00:25:26.000 That's fucking scary. 1.00

00:25:27.000 Scary shit. 1.00

00:25:28.000 I remember one week in 2020 when the sun was blocked out from the sky. 0.99

00:25:36.000 Because of the smoke from like hundreds of miles away.

00:25:41.000 For a week.

00:25:42.000 I was very depressed that week.

00:25:44.000 Yeah, I was there for that.

00:25:45.000 I got evacuated three times from fires.

00:25:47.000 Is that right?

00:25:48.000 Yeah, one time was really scary.

00:25:50.000 We were filming Fear Factor in Tejon Ranch.

00:25:54.000 And we were driving...

00:25:55.000 I think it was Tone Ranch.

00:25:55.000 We were filming on this ranch area up in north, like an hour and a half or so away.

00:26:00.000 And we had to leave because of the fires.

00:26:02.000 And the fires had gotten so bad that driving home for 50 minutes, the entire right side of the highway was in flames.

00:26:10.000 Like, you have to understand how much fire you're talking about.

00:26:13.000 Wow.

00:26:13.000 It was insane.

00:26:15.000 There was a guy who got killed trying to run across the street.

00:26:18.000 So a guy tried to run across the highway in the middle of this and got hit by a car.

00:26:21.000 So we saw him laid out.

00:26:23.000 And it's like ashes falling like snow.

00:26:26.000 Right. 1.00

00:26:26.000 50 fucking minutes of just the hills on fire like a goddamn Hobbit movie. 1.00

00:26:33.000 Really, like Lord of the Rings. 1.00

00:26:34.000 It was wild.

00:26:36.000 That's scary.

00:26:37.000 It was terrifying.

00:26:38.000 That is terrifying.

00:26:38.000 Because you realize at that point, this is so out of control, you've got to let it burn its path because no amount of people are going to stop this.

00:26:45.000 There's not enough water.

00:26:47.000 Still wouldn't make me go to Texas.

00:26:50.000 Let me say one thing before we move on because I don't want to mischaracterize what these different guys said.

00:26:56.000 We had two different guys back to back on the podcast.

00:26:59.000 Pull up their names.

00:27:00.000 One guy, the first guy was the more conservative guy in terms of his thought about it.

00:27:05.000 He didn't think that it wasn't happening.

00:27:08.000 He was just saying that the data points are being exaggerated, and if you follow a long curve, he was saying if you follow a long curve of history, it's been way worse at multiple times, and it goes in this erratic pattern that you can kind of follow.

00:27:21.000 He said humans are 100% having an influence on that.

00:27:24.000 He wasn't a climate denier.

00:27:26.000 Are we talking about Bjorn Lornberg?

00:27:27.000 No.

00:27:27.000 I'll tell you who he is.

00:27:29.000 He's a brilliant guy.

00:27:30.000 He's a professor at MIT, right?

00:27:32.000 Is that where he is?

00:27:35.000 And to your point earlier about talking to each other, when I hear something like this, I don't say to myself, I think what too many people say to themselves, I don't want to hear that.

00:27:47.000 I already know the answer to this question about climate.

00:27:50.000 That's my tribe.

00:27:52.000 I'm like, well, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that fan-made climate change isn't happening, and it isn't.

00:27:59.000 It's going to be catastrophic.

00:28:00.000 But I desperately want to hear this.

00:28:03.000 First of all, from my own psyche. 0.97

00:28:04.000 Maybe I'll hear something that will make me not be so shitting in my pants about the environment. 0.91

00:28:10.000 He's not told doom and gloom about it. 0.79

00:28:13.000 Yeah, I just want...

00:28:14.000 Andrew Dessler and Stephen Kunin?

00:28:16.000 Yeah, Steve Coonan is the guy who was...

00:28:19.000 What does it say his background is?

00:28:20.000 Because he's the guy who wrote the book that I'm referring to right now, which was referred to me by another friend of mine who's one of the most brilliant people I know. 0.96

00:28:27.000 And he had read it, and he's like, I went into this book prepared to call bullshit at every turn.

00:28:31.000 I just wanted to know, like, how is this popular that people have this opinion?

00:28:35.000 And he said he went through all the data, and he's very progressive.

00:28:38.000 He went through all the data, and he was like, you know what?

00:28:41.000 I think you might be on to something.

00:28:43.000 So, theoretical physicist, former director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University, and he's a professor at the Department of Civil and Urban Engineering at NYU's Tandon School of Engineering. 0.95

00:28:55.000 He's a fucking brilliant guy. 1.00

00:28:57.000 Sounds like a real asshole. 1.00

00:28:58.000 He's a nice guy. 1.00

00:28:59.000 I'm kidding.

00:29:00.000 No, but...

00:29:01.000 But my point is, I just don't want to misrepresent him, and the next gentleman was complete opposite. 1.00

00:29:06.000 The next gentleman was, we're fucked. 0.98

00:29:08.000 Let me just add one thing to the... 0.99

00:29:13.000 I do want to know what this guy says.

00:29:15.000 Because all I ever want is the facts.

00:29:18.000 Just the facts.

00:29:18.000 I just want to know what's true.

00:29:20.000 I believe that.

00:29:21.000 Right.

00:29:21.000 And I believe it of you.

00:29:23.000 But here's the thing.

00:29:25.000 You just told me this guy's name.

00:29:27.000 I'm interested.

00:29:30.000 I would bet...

00:29:32.000 That I can talk to somebody in six degrees of knowing somebody who is familiar with this guy and will say, oh yeah, and then tell me something that I'm not hearing now.

00:29:43.000 Yep.

00:29:44.000 That is like, oh yeah, and you didn't hear he also, you know, believes.

00:29:48.000 Witches. 0.97

00:29:52.000 I ask people if they believe in ghosts. 0.99

00:29:55.000 When people tell me dumb things, I ask them if they believe in ghosts. 0.95

00:30:00.000 Whenever someone has a dumb belief, like they have a belief that it was like, wait, hold on. 0.96

00:30:05.000 Do you believe in ghosts? 0.98

00:30:08.000 You know what?

00:30:09.000 I'm the most rational guy I know, but I might.

00:30:11.000 I might believe in ghosts.

00:30:12.000 You know why?

00:30:13.000 I might too.

00:30:13.000 Because there's too many highly intelligent people who I know who I've grilled when they tell me they had some sort of experience.

00:30:22.000 Like, they're not drunk, they're not religious people. 0.98

00:30:25.000 Right.

00:30:26.000 You know, I've grilled them.

00:30:28.000 You're sure you...

00:30:28.000 I was not drinking.

00:30:29.000 You're sure you weren't sleeping.

00:30:31.000 This was not a drink.

00:30:32.000 They...

00:30:33.000 Too many people.

00:30:34.000 Have some sort of experience. 0.94

00:30:36.000 I don't know what it is and I don't give a fuck because I'm never gonna know and they're not bothering me, the ghosts apparently. 0.91

00:30:43.000 I think I know what it is. 0.96

00:30:44.000 What is it?

00:30:45.000 It's one of two things.

00:30:47.000 One, it is like one of those things in the dark that you think you see and so there's like a pattern in our head for looking for things in the dark.

00:30:57.000 Maybe, yeah.

00:30:58.000 I think you can hallucinate because I know people that have hallucinated when they got scared.

00:31:03.000 When they got scared like, My wife was telling me a story about her dad scaring her when she was little, and he just snuck up on her and played a trick, and she literally saw a monster.

00:31:12.000 That's how she saw it.

00:31:13.000 She saw it like a monster, and then it took her a second to realize it was just her dad.

00:31:16.000 People see things.

00:31:19.000 That's part of the problem.

00:31:21.000 And then the other thing is that people's brains produce psychedelic chemicals.

00:31:25.000 And you don't know why, right?

00:31:27.000 People's brains produce dimethyltryptamine, they produce all sorts of weird neurotransmitters, and I have to think that they go in and out, just like your testosterone does, just like your adrenaline does, there's probably waves of them.

00:31:41.000 And I think if a lot goes through, which this is not like fiction, your brain makes potent psychedelics. 0.99

00:31:47.000 So if your brain just lets a little out, And then you're just like, you're tripping balls and you think it's a fucking ghost. 0.99

00:31:52.000 Why do you think we're doing this today? 1.00

00:31:54.000 Why are we smoking these closed cigarettes?

00:31:56.000 It's good for you.

00:31:57.000 No, aren't we doing it just to purposely excite those forces in your brain you're talking about?

00:32:04.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:32:05.000 Right.

00:32:05.000 That's part of it.

00:32:06.000 When you, I mean, Carl Sagan said that about marijuana, that he believed that there was ideas that come, I'm paraphrasing in a shitty way, but ideas that come through marijuana that aren't available.

00:32:16.000 My whole act!

00:32:17.000 What are you talking about?

00:32:18.000 There are ideas.

00:32:20.000 My act, my podcast, everything I write, you know, there's like so many things in life, well, not so many, but the key ones that I just really can't do without marijuana.

00:32:30.000 It definitely makes it better.

00:32:32.000 It really does. 0.99

00:32:33.000 You can abuse it, but you can abuse every fucking thing in life. 0.99

00:32:37.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:32:37.000 Including food, which you need to stay alive. 1.00

00:32:40.000 Right.

00:32:41.000 That's the main one people abuse.

00:32:43.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 I mean, if you can abuse food, you can't make an argument for, I shouldn't use something because people can abuse it.

00:32:48.000 Because you can abuse everything.

00:32:49.000 Of course.

00:32:50.000 And by the way, personally, I have never abused it.

00:32:53.000 Pot.

00:32:54.000 That's awesome.

00:32:55.000 Never been an everyday smoker.

00:32:57.000 That's good.

00:32:58.000 You couldn't find four weeks in my whole life where I smoked seven days in a row.

00:33:06.000 People think I'm a much bigger pothead than I am.

00:33:08.000 Pass the lighter.

00:33:11.000 Terrence McKenna talked about that and he said that he feels like the way to do marijuana is to take a long stretch off and do as much as you can stand.

00:33:21.000 He was like, what marijuana really can provide, he goes in terms of like a psychedelic experience, is underestimated by people because they become casual users and they build up a certain tolerance and they get accustomed to getting a little high.

00:33:34.000 I like to get a little high.

00:33:35.000 I like like two hits, three hits.

00:33:36.000 I'm good.

00:33:37.000 What he was saying is if you really want to know the essence of what marijuana is capable of, take a month off and then get obliterated. 0.92

00:33:45.000 Just get obliterated. 0.80

00:33:46.000 Go on that real B-show. 0.99

00:33:49.000 Go in the hot box.

00:33:51.000 I'm sure he would recommend Silent Darkness.

00:33:54.000 He was a habitual daily user just because he loved it.

00:33:57.000 He would joke around about it.

00:33:59.000 But he was saying that he treated it, when used correctly, like a potent psychedelic.

00:34:04.000 We're essentially micro-dosing.

00:34:06.000 It was kind of like that, I remember when I first did it, you know, when I was 19 years old.

00:34:11.000 And the first time, you're just like out of your mind.

00:34:13.000 I remember that whole first year, like I would be home from college and my friend who turned me on to it, he was at a different college and we'd be home on vacation.

00:34:22.000 He'd come over and, you know, bye mom, we're going out.

00:34:25.000 And I'd go out to the driveway, he'd pick me up.

00:34:28.000 I'd get in the passenger seat and we'd be in the driveway for an hour.

00:34:32.000 Because we smoked one hit and we were just screaming, laughing in the car.

00:34:37.000 My mother looking at the window like, what are they doing?

00:34:39.000 They're just laughing their heads off in the driveway.

00:34:42.000 That doesn't happen anymore.

00:34:44.000 I think it could.

00:34:46.000 Well, see, here's the thing.

00:34:47.000 As much as I'm patting myself on the back because I don't smoke every day...

00:34:51.000 The other thing that I've always wanted to do was exactly what you're saying, take a month off, and I've never been able to accomplish that.

00:34:58.000 Really?

00:34:58.000 There was never four whole weeks.

00:35:01.000 No.

00:35:02.000 Because I'd have to, like, limit so much of my life. 0.99

00:35:05.000 I couldn't, like, write or fuck or do stand-up. 0.97

00:35:10.000 I mean, I just have to be... 0.99

00:35:12.000 Like, I don't smoke when I... I do a fast, like, a few times a year for five days.

00:35:17.000 Oh, really?

00:35:18.000 Yes.

00:35:18.000 Wow, that's a long stretch.

00:35:20.000 I think you have to do about five to get the effect you're looking for.

00:35:25.000 What's the effect you get?

00:35:26.000 Well, it reboots your immune system.

00:35:29.000 I mean, I'm not a scientist, Joe, so I can't exactly tell you the exact stuff, but I've read the book on it and...

00:35:40.000 I think, first of all, just to give your digestive system a rest, I think, does enormous good for you.

00:35:46.000 I think most of the body's energy is spent digesting food, and especially if you eat shitty food.

00:35:53.000 I don't, but lots of people do, and that's, I think, where our big health problems come from.

00:35:58.000 But even regular food, I only eat two meals a day.

00:36:02.000 I think?

00:36:22.000 Yeah, about a couple times a year I will not eat for five days.

00:36:27.000 Minimal, sometimes there's a fasting mimicking diet that's pretty good that I've done.

00:36:34.000 But I cannot smoke during that week because smoking would make me...

00:36:40.000 Ravenously hungry and wanting to be social.

00:36:44.000 So it has to be five days.

00:36:46.000 And it's like you get through it.

00:36:48.000 How much weight do you lose?

00:36:50.000 You lose like probably in the week 10 pounds.

00:36:54.000 But, you know, you'll put – I mean the last time I went down from like I was 158 and I think I went down to 148 and then stayed at like 150, which was great because that's my perfect weight.

00:37:09.000 I don't know how you get those.

00:37:12.000 This I don't understand at all.

00:37:14.000 You're over 50 and you have those big muscles.

00:37:17.000 I take testosterone replacement too.

00:37:20.000 That helps.

00:37:21.000 Testosterone replacement?

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:22.000 Really?

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.000 Isn't that dangerous?

00:37:25.000 You know what's dangerous?

00:37:26.000 Getting old and dying.

00:37:27.000 That's dangerous.

00:37:30.000 The more you can keep from becoming feeble, the better off you are.

00:37:35.000 That's a fact.

00:37:35.000 It's a fact in terms of your immune system.

00:37:37.000 It's a fact in terms of your overall vitality and your physical energy.

00:37:41.000 You want to keep a robust body, if at all possible.

00:37:44.000 And the key to doing that, if you're going to do anything, you've got to maximize your diet, and then you have to do some sort of resistance training.

00:37:54.000 Like, all kinds of stuff's great for you.

00:37:56.000 Yoga's great, running's great, everything's great.

00:37:58.000 But as you get older, resistance training is imperative, because your body starts to decay.

00:38:02.000 Your muscles, your bones are gonna get less dense.

00:38:06.000 And the way to ward that off the best is heavy-duty resistance training.

00:38:10.000 How do you deal with, what do you know?

00:38:13.000 54. 54, okay.

00:38:15.000 I remember 54. It wasn't that long ago.

00:38:20.000 But certainly by 54, I remember mortality is just on your mind in a way that it wasn't on my mind for one second when I was even 40. You just never think of it.

00:38:33.000 And your body is so much more resilient that you don't have to consider it when you're out drinking or whatever you're doing.

00:38:41.000 I had no worries.

00:38:44.000 And that's why younger people don't want to be forced to buy health insurance.

00:38:49.000 They should because that's the only way that system will work.

00:38:51.000 And it'll help them later on in life if everyone contributes on that level.

00:38:55.000 But they don't want to because I remember being that age.

00:38:58.000 You're broke too.

00:38:59.000 I'm broke and I don't need this.

00:39:01.000 I don't need a doctor.

00:39:04.000 Have you ever been to a Vegas pool party?

00:39:06.000 Yes.

00:39:07.000 Okay, it's a lot of muscle men like you standing in a pool at noon.

00:39:12.000 They haven't been to sleep yet.

00:39:14.000 They're baking in the sun on steroids. 0.70

00:39:17.000 They were drinking all night, had unprotected sex, snorted coke through a dirty $20 bill, and they're fined.

00:39:27.000 They're fine. 1.00

00:39:28.000 So when I see kids walking with a mask outside, alone, I just want to punch them. 0.98

00:39:35.000 Because, you know what, you have the good immune system at that age.

00:39:40.000 Well, I think we've raised the overall level of anxiety of people significantly.

00:39:43.000 Oh, terrible.

00:39:45.000 For kids, there was a chart they did.

00:39:48.000 Sagar had it on his Instagram page.

00:39:51.000 It shows feelings of sadness and depression, the elevated rise from COVID from 2019 up.

00:39:59.000 It's like across the board with kids.

00:40:03.000 There it is.

00:40:05.000 If you...

00:40:06.000 Oh, that's...

00:40:07.000 My point is, it's probably with all of us.

00:40:12.000 That's quite a chart.

00:40:13.000 I don't think it's just with kids, and I don't think it's just with young people.

00:40:20.000 I think it's all of us.

00:40:22.000 Even people that did well with the pandemic.

00:40:24.000 There is a marked...

00:40:28.000 Difference in generations about anxiety.

00:40:32.000 The person on my podcast that dropped today is Bella Thorne.

00:40:41.000 I had never talked to her.

00:40:42.000 I certainly was aware of who she was.

00:40:44.000 And a lot of what we're talking about, I mean, I thought it was pretty funny, but, you know, I'm high when I'm doing it, is anxiety.

00:40:52.000 I mean, she has a lot of anxiety.

00:40:53.000 Very typical of her generation. 1.00

00:40:56.000 In a way that my generation just does not. 0.99

00:40:58.000 And a lot of what we were talking about is I'm trying in a kind of fatherly way of saying, you don't need to be this sad about shit. 0.98

00:41:06.000 And have this much anxiety about stuff. 0.95

00:41:09.000 And, of course, if the generation has anxiety to begin with to this degree, when something like a pandemic comes along that is legitimately somewhat anxiety-producing, you're going to have the people who feast on anxiety OD on it.

00:41:27.000 And that's why...

00:41:30.000 Who's the dude?

00:41:31.000 I love him.

00:41:32.000 David Leonhardt was on Real Time Friday and he's written great articles about this and made the point that younger people who should be way less concerned are actually way more concerned about COVID. People my age should be more worried and they're less worried than people who are 30. That's not a healthy place for society to be.

00:41:57.000 The only people that seem to have escaped the fear of the disease itself is young kids don't seem to be scared of it, which is good because they get it and it's no big deal.

00:42:07.000 But the young kids that I see walking around with masks on voluntarily, that disturbs me.

00:42:15.000 I was in Chicago, must have been summer of 21, like, less than a year ago, and I remember the driver we had.

00:42:24.000 And we were talking, and, you know, everywhere we go, I always tell people, you don't have to put the mask on for me.

00:42:30.000 First of all, cloth mask.

00:42:33.000 You know, I had vaccinated, then I got COVID. You know, I'm good.

00:42:39.000 You know, I wasn't worried about it before I was vaccinated.

00:42:43.000 Anyway, so the driver tells us this story about, he said, you know, my four-year-old, if she sees me without a mask, she has a panic attack about it.

00:42:55.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:42:56.000 That is something...

00:42:58.000 Yeah.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, that's so scary.

00:43:01.000 That's so scary.

00:43:02.000 Because she knows nothing else.

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 You know, she's...

00:43:06.000 From two to four, she lived with masks always and in school.

00:43:10.000 I mean, in New York City, I believe they still have masks under five years old.

00:43:15.000 So I think when they're over five to eleven, they stop with the mask for some reason.

00:43:20.000 But, I mean, these little kids...

00:43:22.000 Yeah, the elevation and the level of anxiety that that generation can experience when they get to be of, like, voting age.

00:43:29.000 That could be really strange.

00:43:30.000 And it will, and it does, in fact, politics.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 Absolutely.

00:43:34.000 For sure.

00:43:35.000 I mean, there is a feeling of...

00:43:37.000 David Leonhardt also makes the great point about, he says, too many Democrats have organized their sense of...

00:43:53.000 I'm a better person.

00:44:00.000 And it's actually not that simple.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, it's an easy way to catch social credibility, to say that.

00:44:12.000 Yes, and to sort of discount all the Things that we will find out in the years to come that were detrimental because of the steps we took to curb COVID. And some things should have been done,

00:44:30.000 of course, and some things I'm very glad we have a vaccine.

00:44:35.000 I personally didn't think I needed it.

00:44:38.000 I would have chosen to let my immune system handle it, but okay, I'm glad because this is a country that is not in good health.

00:44:45.000 And if you're not in good health, you are very vulnerable to this virus.

00:44:50.000 But you shouldn't penalize people who have chosen a different path in life.

00:44:55.000 I would always defend those athletes.

00:44:59.000 Who didn't want it?

00:45:00.000 The Aaron Rodgers, the Kyrie Irvings, the Djokovics, because what they were saying was, look, I'm a finely tuned athlete with a perfect body.

00:45:10.000 My body is my life.

00:45:12.000 Of course I keep it in as good a shape as I can.

00:45:15.000 Every year I play, I can make another, what do they make, 50 million a year?

00:45:19.000 Of course I want to play as long as I can.

00:45:21.000 So I'm super careful about everything I put into my body.

00:45:25.000 Everything.

00:45:27.000 Yeah.

00:45:28.000 You have to respect that.

00:45:30.000 Well, with Aaron Rodgers, it's even more important because he's actually allergic to one of the—what is that stuff called?

00:45:38.000 Polyglyph?

00:45:38.000 Yes, I know what you— Whatever that chemical is, he has an allergy to it.

00:45:43.000 It's in shampoo, right?

00:45:44.000 It's in everything.

00:45:45.000 Well, he has an allergy to that stuff.

00:45:46.000 Now, do we know for sure it's in the vaccine?

00:45:49.000 According to Aaron, he said it's not in the Johnson& Johnson, but it is in the other one.

00:45:53.000 I think that's correct.

00:45:54.000 Can you Google that?

00:45:56.000 See if that's correct?

00:45:58.000 And I don't even know if I trust Google.

00:46:00.000 That's the problem these days.

00:46:02.000 It's like, whatever I learn, I'm like, okay, but I don't trust anyone completely.

00:46:08.000 I almost always feel like I'm getting somebody's narrative.

00:46:12.000 I'm not getting a truth.

00:46:13.000 I'm getting a narrative or something that feeds your narrative.

00:46:17.000 And I just want to know.

00:46:18.000 Just tell me.

00:46:20.000 Even if you tell me that...

00:46:23.000 Okay, Roger says he's allergic to an ingredient used in the two mRNA vaccines, the Pfizer and Moderna, and steered away from Johnson.

00:46:31.000 Johnson vaccine after reports of adverse reactions.

00:46:36.000 He did not disclose what ingredients...

00:46:38.000 Oh, well, I think he told me.

00:46:40.000 Polyethylene glycol.

00:46:41.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 I've heard of that a lot.

00:46:43.000 That's the stuff.

00:46:44.000 I think it's...

00:46:44.000 That's what they're saying it is.

00:46:46.000 Now...

00:46:47.000 I can neither confirm nor deny.

00:46:48.000 Is it for sure in the vaccine?

00:46:51.000 I would not...

00:46:53.000 Bet $2 on yes or no there.

00:46:55.000 I have no idea.

00:46:56.000 That's a good point.

00:46:57.000 I've done no research.

00:46:59.000 No, I mean, I probably have, but it's like, I don't know.

00:47:03.000 I would trust that it came from the CDC. If they personally admitted, yes, or the people who make the vaccine.

00:47:11.000 Anybody else, I don't know.

00:47:13.000 But then again, they could be lying.

00:47:14.000 I also don't trust them to tell me the truth about whether they did put it in there. 1.00

00:47:20.000 And I don't know what the fucking shit is. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Maybe it's the stuff in Twinkies and maybe it's rocket fuel that you take to look like that at your age. 1.00

00:47:30.000 I don't know what the fuck it is. 0.99

00:47:32.000 Or if it's going to be bad for me. 0.98

00:47:34.000 Here's my thing about my overarching theme always about anything medical is everyone else I feel, or most people, are giving us too much credit.

00:47:46.000 For where we are medically, because we are, of course, further along than we used to be, you know, we're not putting wooden teeth into people.

00:47:54.000 You know, I mean, it wasn't that long ago they were rubbing dirt into wounds. 1.00

00:47:58.000 I mean, just some really stupid fucking things that people did. 1.00

00:48:02.000 Who are calling themselves doctors. 1.00

00:48:04.000 So obviously we've come a long way just in the last hundred years.

00:48:07.000 But my point of view is that we are still at the infancy of understanding how the human body works.

00:48:17.000 So don't tell me things like, just do what we say.

00:48:20.000 Don't question it.

00:48:22.000 When have we ever been wrong?

00:48:24.000 A lot.

00:48:25.000 All the time.

00:48:26.000 You've been wrong a lot.

00:48:27.000 And you just don't know a lot.

00:48:29.000 You haven't cured cancer.

00:48:31.000 I'm not blaming you for that.

00:48:32.000 I know you're trying.

00:48:34.000 And I could name a thousand other things you haven't cured.

00:48:38.000 Parkinson's and MS and Lyme disease.

00:48:41.000 You just don't know very much.

00:48:43.000 That's not an insult.

00:48:44.000 You just don't.

00:48:46.000 If you can't tell me exactly why people get cancer, and mostly you can't—obviously smokers get lung cancer—other than that, it's not obvious who gets it or why.

00:48:57.000 I don't know what confluence of things that are put in my—there's so many thousand things that could change it.

00:49:06.000 How much mercury do I have in my system?

00:49:09.000 How much tuna fish did I eat?

00:49:10.000 How often do I hold the phone up to my head?

00:49:14.000 A million things.

00:49:15.000 How many x-rays have I have?

00:49:17.000 What are my genetics?

00:49:18.000 So just don't tell me, well, we are perfectly certain that this vaccine is safe, or we are perfectly certain that these x-rays are a low dose and they won't... 0.99

00:49:29.000 You don't fucking know that! 0.98

00:49:31.000 You don't know what all these different things... 1.00

00:49:34.000 There's like 50,000 chemicals we have in our body that we didn't have 100 years ago.

00:49:39.000 You don't know what the interchange of all these elements is doing to me.

00:49:44.000 And me, personally, it might be different than you.

00:49:47.000 So just don't have that attitude of just getting in you.

00:49:52.000 Because we are the people who know.

00:49:55.000 Not just that, but they're making insane amounts of profit from that.

00:49:59.000 We're supposed to pretend that they've been honest about the risks of things in the past.

00:50:06.000 They've been, you know, like that Vioxx tragedy, where they pitched that anti-inflammatory medication and wound up killing at least 50,000 people.

00:50:16.000 They've taken...

00:50:17.000 Hundreds of drugs off the market.

00:50:19.000 All the time.

00:50:20.000 They do it every year.

00:50:21.000 Right.

00:50:21.000 I mean, some of them, only like a hundred were like ordered off, but the rest was like, well, they're going to order it off because it's killing people, so let's withdraw it.

00:50:31.000 That's in the thousands.

00:50:32.000 They just took Shantik's. 0.95

00:50:35.000 What's that stuff?

00:50:36.000 That's the stuff that...

00:50:37.000 Smoking.

00:50:40.000 Oh, it gets you to stop smoking?

00:50:41.000 Right.

00:50:42.000 So you don't get cancer.

00:50:43.000 What else does it do?

00:50:44.000 So it turns out it might give you cancer.

00:50:46.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:50:47.000 It gives you cancer?

00:50:48.000 Well, we're not going to say that.

00:50:50.000 We're not going to get sued, Joe.

00:50:51.000 You didn't say that.

00:50:52.000 But I think they took it off the market because they obviously feel it might.

00:50:57.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:50:57.000 And it was on the market for 15 years.

00:51:00.000 Okay, there's yours.

00:51:01.000 Pfizer's voluntary recalling all lots of Santix 0.5.

00:51:05.000 Shantix.

00:51:06.000 Long-term ingestion of N-nitrosovarianicline may be associated with a theoretical potential increase in cancer research.

00:51:17.000 Theoretical potential increased cancer risk is amazing.

00:51:20.000 But there's no immediate risk to patients taking this medication.

00:51:23.000 The health benefits of stopping smoking outweigh the theoretical potential cancer risk from the nitrosamine impurity in varenicline.

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 Well, easy for you to say.

00:51:39.000 The point is, it was on the market for 15 years.

00:51:44.000 And so whenever something like that is in the news, which it is like on a weekly basis, I just want to say to these people, what else don't you know?

00:51:53.000 Just admit, you don't know very much.

00:51:57.000 You know, last year they came out with the news that metabolism, which they always thought slowed in age, does not.

00:52:05.000 Okay, so you got that wrong forever.

00:52:08.000 It seems really fundamental.

00:52:11.000 There was an article in the New York Times in 2018. It was called something like, A New Organ in the Human Body?

00:52:18.000 Time to Rewrite the Anatomy Books.

00:52:20.000 It was talked about this channel of elastin that runs all through the body that they never knew about.

00:52:28.000 So, we're rewriting the... 0.97

00:52:29.000 You can't even map the shit in there yet. 0.97

00:52:32.000 They've discovered two new saliva glands in the last couple years. 0.99

00:52:36.000 They never knew we had.

00:52:37.000 The G-spot. 1.00

00:52:38.000 I don't think we have to go into that.

00:52:39.000 That was new in the 80s.

00:52:40.000 Is that a real thing?

00:52:42.000 What?

00:52:42.000 The G-spot?

00:52:43.000 They've narrowed it down to an actual area in the body?

00:52:46.000 It's not just theoretical?

00:52:47.000 Now they believe it's...

00:52:47.000 It's definitely a real thing.

00:52:50.000 Come on.

00:52:52.000 But now they believe it's actually five areas.

00:52:55.000 Ah, that makes more sense.

00:52:56.000 Anyway, it's...

00:52:57.000 Just like a button doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:53:00.000 Seems like there's a lot going on.

00:53:02.000 I don't think it was ever a button.

00:53:03.000 It's way back in there.

00:53:06.000 Believe me, I know it when I hit it.

00:53:10.000 I could give you directions.

00:53:13.000 But mapping out the human body is insanely complex.

00:53:17.000 They haven't even done it yet.

00:53:44.000 Okay, you know, so, but if we just stick to doctors, let's pretend that only MDs know things about medicine.

00:53:53.000 Even by that standard, there's many dissenting MDs, and many more than you know about because they're intimidated to speak out.

00:54:01.000 Because if they do, the repercussions can be extremely deleterious.

00:54:06.000 Yeah, and there was a weird sort of cult-like aspect to it.

00:54:10.000 You were with us, so you were against us.

00:54:12.000 Even if you were a reasonable person that just wanted to talk about different kinds of medications, like monoclonal antibodies in particular, that became a thing.

00:54:22.000 Like, no, that's not available.

00:54:23.000 But it is available.

00:54:24.000 What are you saying it's unavailable?

00:54:26.000 If it's not available, why not get it more available?

00:54:28.000 Because it works really well.

00:54:29.000 Didn't they give it to Trump?

00:54:30.000 Yes!

00:54:31.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:54:32.000 It became very cult-like in that way.

00:54:34.000 Like, you could not question the narrative, and other things could not be discussed. 1.00

00:54:38.000 You weren't supposed to talk about vitamin D. If you did, like, fuck you, the vaccine. 0.99

00:54:42.000 I did the first week. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 I remember I had a lady on the, right before we shut down in 2020, and I said, sugar, stop eating sugar.

00:54:51.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 Sleep, stress, the three S's, and vitamin D. I don't want to be this conspiracy person.

00:55:02.000 I'm not.

00:55:04.000 I think it's important in any discussion, and you got in trouble for not doing this once, just to say the vaccine, even though they were wrong about how it stops you from getting it or giving it, It at least does work as far as stop you from dying.

00:55:19.000 A large number of lives.

00:55:22.000 So just to indemnify ourselves, let's say, at least I'm going to say, that that is still the big headline.

00:55:29.000 There is a vaccine.

00:55:30.000 Most people in this country, not in good metabolic shape to begin with.

00:55:35.000 Get the vaccine because it will stop you from dying.

00:55:38.000 That's not everybody.

00:55:39.000 And that should be another discussion that's valid, too.

00:55:42.000 Exactly.

00:55:43.000 And that's where things are weird.

00:55:44.000 Right.

00:55:44.000 Where things are weird is that you're not allowed to have that discussion, whether or not it should be for, you know, X age or, you know, someone who's this healthy.

00:55:53.000 And that, again, not to be a conspiracy theorist, but it is just suspicious to me that...

00:56:00.000 We're not allowed to talk about the things that wouldn't be that profitable, like vitamin D. That's a coincidence, Bill Maher.

00:56:08.000 That's just a coincidence.

00:56:10.000 Or, you know, the thing I'm always talking about, people on the internet are like, Bill, why do you hate fat?

00:56:14.000 I don't hate fat people.

00:56:15.000 I'm talking about a medical issue here that was the biggest medical issue before COVID, and I'm sorry, still is.

00:56:23.000 And I'm talking about something that, according to the statistics, I've been trying to get people to understand And again, this is from the CDC. It's like 78% of people who died or were hospitalized were obese.

00:56:37.000 Okay.

00:56:38.000 If any other...

00:56:39.000 If I just said to you, there is a factor.

00:56:43.000 I'm not going to say which one.

00:56:44.000 But it is involved in 78% of this.

00:56:49.000 If you're the media and you're not broadcasting that factor...

00:56:54.000 Of 78% all the time.

00:56:57.000 If you're the government and you're not trying to get people to be aware of that factor, that's suspicious and criminal.

00:57:06.000 It's also – I think there's that, but it's also this thing where people don't want people to feel bad.

00:57:14.000 That's it.

00:57:14.000 And it's become...

00:57:15.000 That's all of it.

00:57:16.000 It's sensitivity.

00:57:17.000 That's a giant chunk of it.

00:57:19.000 The elevation of sensitivity over truth was my original definition of politically incorrect.

00:57:25.000 And it is still a big problem in this country.

00:57:28.000 Sensitivity is important. 0.78

00:57:29.000 It's not the only thing.

00:57:30.000 It's not the only thing, because there's certain times where people are so indulgent, and if you don't say something to them, they never really understand how you feel.

00:57:40.000 They can trick themselves. 1.00

00:57:42.000 If you don't come along and go, hey man, you're smoking four packs of cigarettes a day, you fucking idiot. 1.00

00:57:47.000 You can do that to a friend, because it doesn't affect their appearance, right? 1.00

00:57:51.000 And it wouldn't be called smoke-shaming.

00:57:54.000 Right.

00:57:54.000 Exactly.

00:57:55.000 That's my point.

00:57:56.000 You're not doing much of a different thing if you're just eating Twinkies all day.

00:58:00.000 It's not much different.

00:58:02.000 No.

00:58:02.000 It's pretty close.

00:58:03.000 If you're getting morbidly obese, your body is firing all wrong.

00:58:08.000 It's all bang, bang. 1.00

00:58:09.000 Everything's all fucked. 1.00

00:58:10.000 It doesn't know why it's so fat. 1.00

00:58:11.000 It doesn't know why it's getting processed sugar all day.

00:58:13.000 Right.

00:58:14.000 All these autoimmune issues start popping up. 0.99

00:58:16.000 It could be a fucking mess to be really, really fat. 0.99

00:58:19.000 Just like it's a mess to smoke three or four packs of cigarettes a day. 1.00

00:58:21.000 But you're a smart guy if you walk up to your friend and a good guy and you say, hey, fuckface, stop smoking four packs of cigarettes a day. 1.00

00:58:28.000 You're going to die, man. 1.00

00:58:29.000 Stop it. 0.99

00:58:30.000 Then you're a good friend stepping in.

00:58:32.000 But if you're like, hey, Bob, you're 500 pounds and you're five feet tall. 0.99

00:58:36.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.99

00:58:37.000 You can't do this. 1.00

00:58:38.000 No, but I mean, that is, again, one area where we have just gone through the looking glass.

00:58:43.000 Yeah.

00:58:43.000 Because, you know, body positivity now is a term.

00:58:48.000 So crazy.

00:58:48.000 It is not positivity.

00:58:52.000 That's positively Orwellian.

00:58:55.000 To term it that way, or to, I mean, look, again, we should never belittle people for whatever issues they have, of course.

00:59:03.000 Of course.

00:59:04.000 But to normalize this, the way we have in society, in culture now, that it's just seen as an alternative lifestyle to be morbidly obese.

00:59:16.000 That's just a way to be, and how dare you even suggest that there's anything negative to that.

00:59:23.000 But there is something negative to that.

00:59:26.000 Now, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

00:59:29.000 That's what you like?

00:59:30.000 Fantastic.

00:59:31.000 But science is not in the eye of the beholder.

00:59:33.000 And science is unforgiving.

00:59:36.000 So when I see, like every TV show now, it's like a minority group. 1.00

00:59:41.000 Every TV show has to have a very large person.

00:59:47.000 No, I'm serious.

00:59:49.000 Because it's like otherwise you are somehow being— They're not representation.

00:59:53.000 Right.

00:59:53.000 Somehow you are prejudiced against— Big people.

00:59:59.000 If you don't—I find that bizarre.

01:00:02.000 And of course it just gives a message to America, oh, this is normal.

01:00:07.000 This is okay.

01:00:08.000 This is fine.

01:00:09.000 This is just another way to be.

01:00:11.000 And I certainly haven't heard anything about it from the government that it's unhealthy.

01:00:15.000 Because they would never say that.

01:00:17.000 If it didn't affect your health, that would be one thing.

01:00:20.000 If it was just that you look sloppy.

01:00:23.000 Right.

01:00:24.000 If you just got really big and really heavy and it's just the way you look, then you're right.

01:00:29.000 Right.

01:00:30.000 That's a look.

01:00:32.000 There's lots of looks I don't like.

01:00:34.000 Exactly.

01:00:34.000 And that could just be another one.

01:00:36.000 That's fine.

01:00:36.000 And some people would like it.

01:00:38.000 If that was the case, that would be amazing.

01:00:40.000 But that's not the case.

01:00:40.000 It's not the case at all.

01:00:42.000 And the truth is, if the country wasn't...

01:01:06.000 I mean, we were talking about healthcare before COVID. As the number one thing that had to be fixed somehow economically because it had become like an unsustainable percentage of the economy.

01:01:21.000 Was going toward health care.

01:01:23.000 I mean, this is why they did Obamacare.

01:01:25.000 People said very often they weren't for Obamacare, but nobody said we can keep going the way we're going.

01:01:32.000 When you have to pay for stuff, like if you have to pay for insurance, and everybody just assumes that everybody has to pay for insurance, and someone comes along and says, maybe we shouldn't have to pay for that.

01:01:42.000 There's this thing we have where this is always how it's been.

01:01:46.000 This is always how it's been.

01:01:47.000 We had to pay for college.

01:01:48.000 We had to pay for health care.

01:01:49.000 We gotta pay. 1.00

01:01:50.000 You should fucking pay. 1.00

01:01:51.000 We gotta pay. 1.00

01:01:52.000 You pay your fucking student loans. 1.00

01:01:53.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:01:54.000 It's a weird thing that people do.

01:01:56.000 Where it's like, okay, we pay for the fire department, right?

01:01:58.000 We're not saying if you don't pay for the fire department then a fire comes, they don't put your house out, right?

01:02:03.000 We all agree to that.

01:02:04.000 It's kind of a socialist idea. 0.80

01:02:06.000 Why can't we apply those things that we agree are fucking real important? 0.74

01:02:10.000 Like having a fire department. 0.67

01:02:12.000 You're telling me that applying those to college or applying those to healthcare are bad?

01:02:17.000 Like what are we spending our money on?

01:02:18.000 This is where people like you and me probably agree with a lot of things, but you see there's people that go further and further away from that and look at that as like, that's a Republican idea to think that Right.

01:02:34.000 You know, that this is a bad thing.

01:02:36.000 Right.

01:02:36.000 Well...

01:02:37.000 The Republican idea to think that you have to pay your way and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

01:02:41.000 I mean, that's that weird mentality about it, right?

01:02:44.000 It would be so easy for the Democrats to reclaim that high ground.

01:02:48.000 Yes.

01:02:48.000 And just to bite back against that.

01:02:51.000 Just be fucking rational. 0.99

01:02:52.000 Just be rational. 1.00

01:02:53.000 And common sense.

01:02:54.000 Yeah.

01:02:55.000 I mean, I say this all the time because the...

01:02:58.000 The percentage of graft keeps getting higher and higher.

01:03:05.000 Now, we found out recently that something like, oh, I'm going to get the number wrong, maybe you can look it up on your magic lightbox, but like 20%, I think, of the unemployment checks we passed out during COVID were complete fraud.

01:03:20.000 A mere pittance.

01:03:25.000 The PPP. Yeah, oh my god.

01:03:27.000 So many people got arrested for having Lamborghinis and shit. 0.99

01:03:29.000 Right. 0.99

01:03:31.000 I mean, J.K. Rowling got money.

01:03:33.000 No, she didn't! 0.99

01:03:34.000 Yeah, for her Broadway show.

01:03:36.000 What?

01:03:36.000 Because if she didn't, she'd be living in her car, Joe.

01:03:39.000 Ah, she got money for that? 1.00

01:03:41.000 That's hilarious.

01:03:42.000 Everybody got money.

01:03:43.000 Tom Brady got money.

01:03:44.000 That seems so crazy.

01:03:45.000 And, like, when you look at some of the percent, like, the number to build a house for the homeless in L.A. Has risen to $837,000.

01:03:58.000 A mere pittance, Bill Maher.

01:04:00.000 A mere pittance from these greedy billionaires out there.

01:04:04.000 We need to tax them all.

01:04:05.000 If I'm complaining about that, again, to your point about a Republican idea, people would say, oh, you're complaining about government spending money.

01:04:14.000 And my answer is, okay, but is there any number?

01:04:17.000 At which point I am not tipped over into the Republican side.

01:04:22.000 Right.

01:04:22.000 That I can't complain about money that is just being stolen.

01:04:27.000 Right.

01:04:27.000 I mean, as a good liberal, I totally accept the notion that, as someone once said, you cannot transfer money except with a leaky bucket.

01:04:37.000 I get it.

01:04:37.000 It can't be perfect.

01:04:39.000 But is there no number for which I cannot remonstrate against this?

01:04:48.000 20% is a low.

01:04:49.000 I mean, it's even higher than that.

01:04:51.000 That was only the unemployment checks.

01:04:53.000 The PPP stuff was even higher.

01:04:55.000 That's where it's beautiful and brilliant because they attach it to something that's like, look, we need to help these people.

01:05:01.000 We need to help these people.

01:05:03.000 These people are all losing their jobs and their businesses are shut down.

01:05:07.000 We need to provide them with money.

01:05:09.000 And then the grift.

01:05:11.000 Some of it gets...

01:05:12.000 It's like, let's promote...

01:05:13.000 And whoever's doing it...

01:05:14.000 California tried to build a railroad.

01:05:18.000 They wanted to build a rail line between L.A. and San Francisco.

01:05:23.000 Made sense.

01:05:24.000 It's a big, long state and cars and blah, blah.

01:05:27.000 Good for the environment.

01:05:28.000 And it was...

01:05:31.000 When they finally pulled the plug... 0.97

01:05:33.000 Because it just became too ridiculous.

01:05:36.000 It was at $200 million a mile.

01:05:39.000 Now France, a country not unknown to have unions and workers' rights.

01:05:48.000 Very big over there in Europe, right?

01:05:51.000 Workers' rights, unions.

01:05:53.000 I mean, they're always on strike.

01:05:55.000 Always on strike in Europe.

01:05:56.000 And they talk with their hands.

01:05:58.000 Okay.

01:05:59.000 So, France, again, a very unionized country, did it for, like, one-seventh.

01:06:06.000 That's how bad...

01:06:06.000 One-seventh?

01:06:07.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:06:09.000 Which, again, is something like $15 million a mile, or whatever it was.

01:06:13.000 But, I mean, $200 million a mile.

01:06:15.000 And it was only to...

01:06:17.000 Finally, it was only to connect, like, Bakersfield to, I don't know...

01:06:22.000 Pocoima or something, and they couldn't even do that.

01:06:25.000 Were you in Boston when they were doing the Big Dig?

01:06:27.000 I was never in Boston.

01:06:29.000 I mean, I played Boston, loved playing the town, but I've never lived there, but I know of it.

01:06:34.000 I remember 60 Minutes doing a story on it, just the Big Dig.

01:06:37.000 And they did finally finish it.

01:06:39.000 They did.

01:06:40.000 It was so late, and they robbed so much money from it.

01:06:44.000 Oh, exactly.

01:06:45.000 That was the whole thing about the corruption involved in that.

01:06:48.000 Oh, of course.

01:06:48.000 Yeah.

01:06:49.000 And it was really just a short tunnel from the airport, was it?

01:06:53.000 Logan, one of the few airports in the country that's right next to the city.

01:06:58.000 Yep.

01:06:58.000 Only there in Vegas.

01:07:01.000 Do you fly in?

01:07:02.000 Right, right.

01:07:03.000 And you're like five minutes from downtown.

01:07:05.000 It's awesome.

01:07:06.000 And I think it was not where it was connecting.

01:07:08.000 Yeah, they were trying to lighten up some of that traffic.

01:07:10.000 And they completed it, but it was like, I mean, they were doing it when I was there in the 80s.

01:07:16.000 And then they were still doing it when I came back.

01:07:18.000 What year was the Big Dig completed?

01:07:20.000 I want to say it was like at least 10 years late.

01:07:23.000 2004. Oh, yeah.

01:07:24.000 2004 they completed it.

01:07:25.000 Yeah, so...

01:07:27.000 So they were doing it when I lived there.

01:07:29.000 I mean, look, when I hear about Build Back Better, okay, look, certainly the country needs to get rebuilt.

01:07:40.000 I mean, the infrastructure is a mess.

01:07:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:46.000 When you give me a number, it's like, it just seems like you pulled it out of your ass. 1.00

01:07:52.000 You know, it's going to cost $1.5 billion. 0.99

01:07:55.000 We know that for, and it came in right at that round number, huh?

01:07:59.000 Yeah.

01:08:00.000 To rebuild this or something.

01:08:01.000 And are we going over this with a fine tooth?

01:08:04.000 Are we really seeing that it, what if we only spent $1.2 billion, or trillion, I'm undercounting it, What if we only spent $1.2 trillion?

01:08:15.000 What would we be sacrificing? 1.00

01:08:18.000 Because so much of that money is going to consultants and just siphoned off by all the pigs at the trough, all snorting this shit up with their big fucking snout. 1.00

01:08:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:08:30.000 And there's very few people that are saying that.

01:08:33.000 Right.

01:08:33.000 But that's exactly what's happening.

01:08:35.000 That to me is not a Republican idea.

01:08:37.000 Right.

01:08:37.000 It's just...

01:08:38.000 Common sense.

01:08:39.000 Yes, common sense.

01:08:40.000 Did you ever see that Republican?

01:08:41.000 There was a guy who had the bill in his hand and he was talking about how crazy it is for these people to say that they've read through this.

01:08:49.000 And he shows it.

01:08:50.000 He's holding it up.

01:08:50.000 It's got like...

01:08:52.000 I don't know.

01:08:52.000 How many hundred pages did it have?

01:08:54.000 It's this giant stack.

01:08:55.000 He's like, do you think they really read this before they signed it?

01:08:58.000 Do you think they went through this? 0.99

01:08:59.000 There's no fucking way. 0.99

01:09:00.000 Yeah, but you know what? 0.99

01:09:01.000 Republicans don't deserve to get any pass on this either because they, first of all, are just as responsible for spending money we don't have and not stopping this kind of graft. 0.99

01:09:10.000 And they could give a shit anymore about a balanced budget. 0.99

01:09:15.000 At least they used to pretend. 0.99

01:09:16.000 Now all they care about is owning the libs. 1.00

01:09:19.000 They don't even have any...

01:09:20.000 They have no issues in their party. 0.98

01:09:23.000 They could give about as much of a shit of a balanced budget as they do for the new season of RuPaul's Drag Race. 0.99

01:09:31.000 They are all about the conspiracy shit, QAnon stuff. 0.99

01:09:37.000 That's what animates that party. 1.00

01:09:40.000 Stolen election, eating babies, pedophile teachers. 0.99

01:09:46.000 I mean, that's what... 0.98

01:09:47.000 They do not have the traditional Republican issues.

01:09:51.000 Russia... 0.54

01:09:52.000 They used to be the hard-on Russia people.

01:09:55.000 That went out the window.

01:09:57.000 Democracy, I don't think they think democracy is essentially an essential part of America.

01:10:05.000 The way I would characterize the two parties, I'm going to do a thing on this on my show next week, I think.

01:10:12.000 Democrats would say America and democracy are inextricably linked.

01:10:17.000 You cannot think of one without the other.

01:10:20.000 Republicans now?

01:10:21.000 No.

01:10:21.000 I'll think about that.

01:10:22.000 Really?

01:10:23.000 Absolutely.

01:10:24.000 Democracy, in fact, Mike Lee, I think, is the one who said it.

01:10:28.000 He was like, democracy is not the most important part of this country.

01:10:31.000 I think in their view, a lot of these kind of people would be Christianity.

01:10:35.000 Oh, before democracy.

01:10:37.000 Absolutely.

01:10:38.000 And also, like, keeping our culture the same.

01:10:43.000 Democracy, nice, but kind of a luxury.

01:10:46.000 And that's a fundamental difference where we've never been before.

01:10:50.000 I need to see someone saying that.

01:10:52.000 Because I haven't to even argue with you or disagree with you.

01:10:55.000 I'd have to see someone saying that.

01:10:56.000 I've never seen anybody say that.

01:10:58.000 I think that's such a dangerous thing.

01:11:00.000 Get a Mike Lee quote that says...

01:11:02.000 It's a dangerous thing to say.

01:11:03.000 Very dangerous.

01:11:04.000 To offer alternatives to democracy are spooky.

01:11:08.000 But that's where the party is, and they deserve no pats on the back.

01:11:11.000 But is that both parties?

01:11:12.000 Is that both parties?

01:11:13.000 No.

01:11:13.000 I'm saying that's the difference right now.

01:11:17.000 Democrats...

01:11:19.000 Still believe in democracy.

01:11:21.000 When Al Gore got gypped out of the election, he was like, okay, we're not a democracy.

01:11:26.000 Well, no, that's not it.

01:11:29.000 Mike Lee's tweets against democracy explained.

01:11:33.000 Okay, so that's just what he said.

01:11:34.000 Well, no, he wrote – there's a different one where he said – No.

01:11:40.000 He said democracy is not important.

01:11:41.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:11:42.000 That's it.

01:11:43.000 Democracy is not as important as some other things.

01:11:46.000 Democracy is not as important.

01:11:47.000 Something like that.

01:11:50.000 Democracy is the objective.

01:11:52.000 Is that what he said?

01:11:54.000 Of the U.S. system.

01:11:56.000 Democracy isn't the objective of the U.S. system.

01:11:59.000 He made an inflammatory declaration in a morning tweet.

01:12:01.000 Where I would say it is.

01:12:04.000 That guy looks like a man who needs marijuana, right? 0.98

01:12:06.000 If you guessed, how often does he get high?

01:12:08.000 Almost never.

01:12:09.000 Right.

01:12:10.000 Look at him.

01:12:10.000 Well, he's from Utah.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, they get high in Utah.

01:12:14.000 Yes, they do.

01:12:16.000 Of course, any place where they're very religious, they're also very freaky. 1.00

01:12:20.000 Yeah, well, that's a great club to work at.

01:12:21.000 Salt Lake City?

01:12:22.000 Yeah, Wise Guys, you do that?

01:12:23.000 Oh, I don't think I've ever worked with Wise Guys.

01:12:26.000 It's fun to practice.

01:12:26.000 Really?

01:12:27.000 Yeah, it's a great place.

01:12:28.000 It's fun.

01:12:28.000 It's a fun place to perform.

01:12:29.000 They're great people.

01:12:30.000 Yes, I agree.

01:12:32.000 Mormons are very nice.

01:12:33.000 It's not Mormons, it's people that live with Mormons. 0.99

01:12:35.000 And people who are rebel Mormons.

01:12:38.000 And it's a very beautiful country.

01:12:39.000 Oh, it's gorgeous, yeah.

01:12:40.000 It's right there, nestled up in the mountains.

01:12:43.000 But you have a place there or something?

01:12:44.000 No, no, I just like to go there.

01:12:45.000 Do you have a vacation home or something?

01:12:47.000 No.

01:12:48.000 I should probably get one.

01:12:50.000 If I get one, I'm going to get one in the mountains, somewhere very weird.

01:12:54.000 Still in Texas?

01:12:55.000 No, no, no.

01:12:56.000 I'd like to get somewhere north. 0.99

01:12:58.000 So if this global warming shit really does pan out in a negative way, Montana looks sweet. 0.98

01:13:03.000 I mean, I remember being in Alaska 10 years ago. 0.99

01:13:09.000 I've never seen a place like that as beautiful because it was so clean.

01:13:13.000 I mean it was like this time of year, spring, and everywhere the snow melting and there was just little drippings of water coming down everywhere and it was like the purest, most pristine.

01:13:26.000 Of course there was also like moose walking down the street.

01:13:31.000 They're resilient people up there.

01:13:34.000 Yes, it's almost...

01:13:35.000 I mean, I remember I played one...

01:13:37.000 I think it was Fairbanks.

01:13:40.000 Fairbanks and Anchorage.

01:13:42.000 And Fairbanks, it was almost like a western town.

01:13:44.000 It was like a western show.

01:13:45.000 It was under a tent.

01:13:46.000 I remember I walked through mud to get to the stage.

01:13:49.000 I loved it.

01:13:50.000 It was raining.

01:13:51.000 They didn't care.

01:13:51.000 They were standing.

01:13:54.000 That was so cool.

01:13:55.000 I don't want to do it again, but it was very cool for once.

01:13:58.000 And then I went to Anchorage, and that was like the land that time forgot.

01:14:02.000 It was like everything looked like it had been in the 70s.

01:14:06.000 You know, the hotel, the restaurants.

01:14:10.000 I guess they got a lot of oil money.

01:14:11.000 They refurbished, and then they just stopped.

01:14:15.000 But that was kind of cool, too.

01:14:17.000 And, you know, everyone has a gun in their glove compartment.

01:14:20.000 Yeah.

01:14:21.000 Yeah, you could see them.

01:14:22.000 I saw a reindeer on a chain out in the front yard like a dog.

01:14:27.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 I'm not kidding.

01:14:33.000 Oh my god.

01:14:34.000 That's one thing that's so great about being a comic and traveling, right?

01:14:38.000 You know, you're different places and you just see different things like you wouldn't if you worked in an office.

01:14:44.000 The most resilient people, though, have to be the Alaskans because they're surrounded by monsters.

01:14:50.000 They're in the furthest north place that you could call America.

01:14:53.000 Yeah, punishingly cold.

01:14:54.000 And they have real wildlife, like big wildlife around them all the time.

01:15:00.000 Yeah, bears.

01:15:01.000 You've seen a moose in real life?

01:15:02.000 I saw them walking down the street. 0.98

01:15:04.000 It's fucking crazy how big they are. 0.99

01:15:07.000 They're so big it's crazy. 1.00

01:15:08.000 They look like a cartoon animal.

01:15:10.000 You can't believe how big they are.

01:15:11.000 I'm sure they're very sweet.

01:15:12.000 They don't look like they want to hurt you.

01:15:14.000 No, they're dangerous.

01:15:14.000 They're dangerous.

01:15:15.000 Really?

01:15:16.000 Yeah, especially the cows.

01:15:17.000 Bullwinkle is dangerous?

01:15:18.000 Oh yeah, the bulls and the cows are both dangerous.

01:15:20.000 No, Bullwinkle.

01:15:21.000 Wasn't he a moose?

01:15:22.000 Yeah, he was a mountie.

01:15:23.000 But they're the only deer species that's dangerous.

01:15:26.000 All the other ones don't attack people.

01:15:27.000 They run away from them, for the most part. 1.00

01:15:29.000 You have to really fuck with an elk for it to stab you. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Or a deer. 1.00

01:15:34.000 You've done something horribly wrong.

01:15:35.000 But if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time with a moose, like a moose with her calves around her to stomp you out.

01:15:42.000 This is a moot point.

01:15:44.000 It's never going to happen.

01:15:44.000 Last moose attack.

01:15:46.000 Driver prayed not to be killed during hour-long ordeal as animal trampled his dogs.

01:15:52.000 Okay.

01:15:53.000 My point is they're the one deer species that will actually go after you.

01:15:58.000 The only one.

01:15:59.000 Aren't we profiling that one moose?

01:16:01.000 No, listen.

01:16:02.000 There's a lot of them.

01:16:03.000 I've seen them in real life.

01:16:05.000 They don't run away from you.

01:16:06.000 It's a totally different look.

01:16:07.000 Okay.

01:16:08.000 When you meet them in the woods, they look at you like this.

01:16:10.000 You sound like these people when they say, you know, they're so fatalistic.

01:16:15.000 Back to our...

01:16:16.000 As he charged me, I emptied my gun into him and he never stopped.

01:16:20.000 This has been the most horrific past 24 hours of my life.

01:16:23.000 So he emptied his gun into this moose and the moose still trampled him for an hour.

01:16:28.000 I'm still rooting for the moose.

01:16:33.000 They're great.

01:16:34.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:16:34.000 I'm just saying the honest characteristics of this animal are very different than other deer species.

01:16:39.000 You're saying don't have one as a pet? 0.99

01:16:41.000 I'm saying you got to mind your P's and Q's if you see a fucking moose. 0.99

01:16:44.000 It's not like a deer. 0.99

01:16:45.000 Okay. 1.00

01:16:46.000 They'll kick your ass. 1.00

01:16:47.000 I have a friend of mine who lives up there in BC and he's a rancher. 1.00

01:16:50.000 He's a really sweet guy.

01:16:51.000 Very interesting guy.

01:16:52.000 He was on his horse and a cow moose started chasing him.

01:16:56.000 He's running for his life while the moose is gaining on him.

01:17:01.000 I go, what would happen if that moose got you?

01:17:03.000 And he goes, if she had her calves, she might just stomp me to death. 1.00

01:17:06.000 Right.

01:17:07.000 Well, but that's Mother Nature. 1.00

01:17:09.000 Yeah.

01:17:09.000 You know, instinct.

01:17:10.000 And again, this is not an issue that's going to come up in my life.

01:17:14.000 It might.

01:17:15.000 I don't want you to get cocky.

01:17:17.000 You seem obsessed with protecting me from death by moose, Joe. 1.00

01:17:21.000 And I promise you, if it does happen, my last words will be, fuck, Rogan told me this would happen and I was cocky that day in Austin, Texas. 0.99

01:17:30.000 I should have listened to him. 1.00

01:17:31.000 God damn it. 0.99

01:17:36.000 I just think if you find yourself in the woods, you should know this information. 0.99

01:17:40.000 Even that's not going to happen.

01:17:41.000 And by the way, I wouldn't find myself in the woods for a zillion dollars because that's where you get Lyme disease.

01:17:47.000 Oh, that's true.

01:17:48.000 And that really is a nightmare.

01:17:50.000 I had a friend on last week, Jim Miller, who battled with it.

01:17:54.000 He didn't even know he had it because apparently 50% of the people test negative even though they have it.

01:17:58.000 And it took him years and years of taking antibiotics just to get it out of his system.

01:18:03.000 Not to keep beating my horse about they don't know anything, but there's one.

01:18:08.000 They're really clueless.

01:18:10.000 It's a scary one. 0.98

01:18:11.000 I mean, it's more prevalent than we know, because again, misdiagnosed, and it's a sneaky little fucker that just, I've known people have had it, and the suffering is almost indescribable. 0.98

01:18:25.000 And it moves around in the body. 0.94

01:18:28.000 The symptoms change.

01:18:29.000 You know, one week you have a burning in your head.

01:18:32.000 And the next week your legs are sore.

01:18:35.000 And they don't really know how to attack it.

01:18:38.000 Of course they're going to throw antibiotics at it like they do everything.

01:18:41.000 I guess sometimes that works.

01:18:43.000 Sometimes it doesn't.

01:18:45.000 I don't know if you're familiar with the New York Times columnist Ross Douthat.

01:18:49.000 Did he get it?

01:18:54.000 The way you said that.

01:18:56.000 Yes.

01:18:56.000 He got it and wrote a book about it.

01:19:00.000 I think we're going to have him on very shortly to talk about it.

01:19:03.000 And it's very interesting because he's a very conservative columnist, which is fine.

01:19:07.000 I'm friendly with him.

01:19:08.000 Had him on the show a number of times.

01:19:11.000 But his view on medicine, I think, was much more orthodox until he got this.

01:19:17.000 And that's why I wanted to have him on, because I think he's preaching from my choir book now, because he's basically saying, the stuff that I looked into that was supposedly the quackery stuff, like, that actually worked better than the 15 doctors I had to go to.

01:19:35.000 I mean, the whole book is about a multi-year...

01:19:37.000 Nightmare he had trying to extirpate.

01:19:42.000 Lyme disease from his body and, of course, because the doctors are clueless.

01:19:46.000 Now, again, am I saying this is because doctors are deliberately corrupt?

01:19:50.000 No, I don't think they're making any money on Lyme disease.

01:19:54.000 But they are locked into their rigid way of thinking, which may be part of the reason why they haven't made much progress.

01:20:02.000 And again, part of it is just we don't understand that much about the human body.

01:20:07.000 Shantix! 0.95

01:20:09.000 I think as far as treatments of Lyme disease, one of the more critical aspects is to get treatment early.

01:20:15.000 People that I know that have kicked it, that got Lyme disease and took the antibiotics, they kicked it and they were okay.

01:20:23.000 But the guys that I know that didn't take any medication and let it, they didn't know they had it or the doctor didn't know they, you know, the doctor didn't want to believe them and they waited too long, they're the ones who had more problems.

01:20:37.000 Well, I always think of Steve Jobs, who said, you know, he got pancreatic cancer, which is the worst kind.

01:20:46.000 And he did a lot of, you know... 0.99

01:20:50.000 Juice cleanses and shit. 0.93

01:20:51.000 That kind of stuff. 0.96

01:20:52.000 Yeah.

01:20:53.000 And I think, I mean, I may be wrong about this, but I do... 0.96

01:20:58.000 I think I remember him saying toward the end, I wish I hadn't fucked around with it like that. 0.65

01:21:06.000 The holistic stuff is great as a preventative, but if you actually get it, sometimes you're going to have to let them. 0.86

01:21:16.000 I mean, there's no good choices.

01:21:18.000 But sometimes, you know, you have to go to the, you know, DEFCON 1 and hit it with the nuclear weapon or whatever it is.

01:21:26.000 And I think he regretted that.

01:21:28.000 And, I mean, that's not... 0.99

01:21:29.000 That fucking sucks. 0.99

01:21:30.000 Yeah, I'm not... 1.00

01:21:32.000 That's a terrible feeling to have.

01:21:33.000 Yeah.

01:21:34.000 To believe you bought into something that's not legit.

01:21:36.000 Well, and also, again, to the point of we don't know much, usually pancreatic is diabetics, you know, it's...

01:21:43.000 Yeah.

01:21:44.000 Because it's about that part of the body that processes sugar and so forth.

01:21:47.000 Isn't it connected to cigarette smoking as well?

01:21:49.000 Yeah, I'm sure it is.

01:21:50.000 Everything bad is.

01:21:51.000 But, you know, he was thin, Steve Jobs.

01:21:55.000 Apparently he ate really healthy, right?

01:21:56.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 It's crazy.

01:21:58.000 Yeah.

01:21:58.000 No, we just don't know.

01:22:00.000 That's the genetic roll of the dice thing.

01:22:01.000 It's not just genetic.

01:22:03.000 I think genetic...

01:22:03.000 Environmental.

01:22:05.000 Also things like stress.

01:22:07.000 Another big complaint I have with Western medicine is they absolutely don't give any thought to the mind-body connection.

01:22:17.000 And that's a real thing. 0.99

01:22:19.000 It's not just kumbaya bullshit. 0.97

01:22:23.000 We can measure it in certain ways. 0.98

01:22:25.000 I mean, the mind and the body do work in conjunction.

01:22:29.000 Stress is definitely a factor.

01:22:31.000 That's something that's coming out of your mind.

01:22:35.000 You know, when people get scared, you know, they say, he went white.

01:22:41.000 Why is that?

01:22:42.000 Because the body, without you even knowing it, moved all the blood to your arms and your legs so you could run away and fight somebody.

01:22:50.000 That's why your face went white.

01:22:52.000 We don't need blood in our face right now.

01:22:54.000 Is that really what it is?

01:22:55.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:22:57.000 So your body allocates blood to the muscles?

01:22:59.000 Yes, the body allocates everything, yes.

01:23:01.000 Wow.

01:23:02.000 Right.

01:23:03.000 I never thought of it that way.

01:23:04.000 And I'm just saying- Because people see red, though.

01:23:07.000 Don't they see red?

01:23:08.000 They get angry?

01:23:09.000 I think that's just an expression.

01:23:11.000 I don't think they actually are seeing red.

01:23:13.000 But I think red...

01:23:14.000 Your face gets red, too, though.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 A lot of times when people get mad, their face gets red.

01:23:19.000 Like, if you're thinking you're about to...

01:23:21.000 That's embarrassment, yes.

01:23:23.000 But that's probably because it's embarrassment, and the blood wants...

01:23:28.000 Your body's saying, I want the blood where I'm thinking, in my head.

01:23:32.000 Because I'm thinking so poorly that my face is red.

01:23:35.000 That I'm embarrassed.

01:23:36.000 Ooh, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

01:23:37.000 I'm at the... 0.99

01:23:39.000 Blackboard with an erection. 0.99

01:23:40.000 You might be right with that. 0.99

01:23:41.000 That's interesting.

01:23:42.000 That's interesting.

01:23:44.000 That your face is red because you're embarrassed that you're upset.

01:23:49.000 I think there's that too.

01:23:51.000 I think people are saying, what are you guys smoking today?

01:23:55.000 Good stuff.

01:23:56.000 Good stuff.

01:23:57.000 What are you talking about?

01:23:59.000 Stuff is rolled by the Comanches.

01:24:02.000 What?

01:24:02.000 Just kidding.

01:24:03.000 Oh.

01:24:07.000 It's a good slogan, though.

01:24:09.000 Yeah, I'm sure they have good weed.

01:24:11.000 It doesn't mean anything, but I'm going to use it.

01:24:13.000 Rolled by the Comanches.

01:24:14.000 Have you ever read anything about the Comanches, the people that used to live here?

01:24:19.000 It's one of the wildest cultures of all the Native American tribes.

01:24:23.000 They lived here in Texas?

01:24:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:24:25.000 There's a fucking great book called Empire of the Summer Moon. 0.99

01:24:31.000 It's all about Texas and the Comanches in the 1800s. 0.99

01:24:35.000 It's just an incredible group of Native Americans that figured out how to ride horses.

01:24:41.000 They figured out how to raise horses the best.

01:24:44.000 They were the best at like horse husbandry and they had like tons of horses and their empire consisted of horses and they would just own the plains for like hundreds of years.

01:24:55.000 It was an impassable country because they hadn't figured out anything other than muskets and with bows and arrows they were killing everybody.

01:25:01.000 So nobody could settle out here.

01:25:02.000 Didn't every empire use horses?

01:25:05.000 No.

01:25:05.000 Native Americans until Europeans returned didn't use horses.

01:25:09.000 But Alexander the Great did.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, but that's – yeah.

01:25:13.000 So the thing – this is what happened.

01:25:15.000 Horses used to be native to America.

01:25:17.000 They used to have natural horses here and they died off somehow.

01:25:21.000 They don't know.

01:25:22.000 But they do know they were reintroduced by Europeans.

01:25:25.000 So Europeans that came over and dealt with people in North America and Mexico and a lot of parts of – a lot of Native Americans, they had never seen anybody on a horse before until the Europeans arrived.

01:25:34.000 Right.

01:25:36.000 There's a guy named Dan Flores who wrote a book about how Native Americans were probably on their way to extirpating the buffalo. 0.99

01:25:44.000 Even if the Americans didn't come along and do that horrible market hunting shit, the Native Americans with a horse were so fucking effective that they were just wiping out as many buffalo as they wanted. 1.00

01:25:55.000 They would have been able to do that too because that was not a normal thing for a person to be on a horse until like whenever it was that the first Europeans arrived with them. 0.99

01:26:03.000 That certainly would be news to me.

01:26:06.000 It's a fascinating article.

01:26:08.000 I mean, no, the Indians were wiping out the buffalo.

01:26:11.000 No, no, no, they weren't.

01:26:12.000 He was saying they were so effective at it that over time it was possible that they could do that.

01:26:18.000 I'm sure it's possible, but what we've always heard, again, I don't know anything because I know what I've been told, and I'm always questioning.

01:26:25.000 But what I've always thought I knew about the Indians was that they lived lightly on the land.

01:26:31.000 They didn't kill more than they needed to because they understood that it's in our long-term benefit to keep the buffalo herd alive.

01:26:37.000 They did for the most part.

01:26:39.000 And then men came along and just shot them for fun from the side of a train.

01:26:42.000 That's definitely true, too.

01:26:44.000 It was like Dick Cheney shooting birds that can't fly. 1.00

01:26:46.000 You know, it was that kind of shit. 1.00

01:26:48.000 And now, you know, maybe there is some truth to both, but I would be very surprised to learn if the Indians were piggish like that. 1.00

01:26:56.000 That's not the point.

01:26:57.000 That was not what I was saying.

01:26:58.000 No, no, I'm just...

01:26:59.000 No, no, you'll let me finish.

01:27:00.000 Okay.

01:27:01.000 What he was saying was...

01:27:02.000 I don't want to get you in trouble with the Indians.

01:27:04.000 No, no.

01:27:05.000 There's more to it.

01:27:06.000 What he was saying was that these people hadn't had horses until this point in time.

01:27:14.000 And the reason why there was this amazing population of buffalo, when they first got here and there was millions and millions of buffalo, His theory is that this was because the Europeans gave diseases to the Native Americans during that same time period.

01:27:28.000 So during that same time period, 90% of the Native Americans get wiped out by smallpox and all these crazy diseases. 0.97

01:27:36.000 Yes.

01:27:36.000 He's saying this is why hundreds of years later you have so many buffalo.

01:27:41.000 Right.

01:27:41.000 And he said if you had Native Americans who were effective hunters on horses even without the horrible market hunting that killed them really quickly.

01:27:49.000 He's like over time you probably would have killed At least a measurable amount of the buffalo, similar to what we did, but it would just take a lot longer.

01:27:58.000 That was his theory.

01:27:59.000 But it was mostly about how the Native Americans had died off from smallpox, and how crazy it was, and that this led to this increase in this massive herd of buffalo.

01:28:08.000 His theory was that that's not normal, to have this many, and I'm definitely fucking this up and paraphrasing it, but it's a really good, it's, what is it like, buffalo diplomacy, buffalo, it's Dan Flores.

01:28:22.000 Doesn't my t-shirt say Buffalo Soldier?

01:28:24.000 It does.

01:28:26.000 Bison ecology and bison diplomacy.

01:28:28.000 That's it.

01:28:28.000 Thank you.

01:28:29.000 See, it's fascinating stuff.

01:28:31.000 So, who do you like, Aztecs or Incas?

01:28:35.000 You know, I have to meet them. 1.00

01:28:37.000 But the Aztecs, at least they built their own shit, or they had people do it for them. 0.99

01:28:42.000 You know, the Aztecs, whatever they were doing, they were making some wild stuff, man. 0.99

01:28:47.000 I always ask people that question because, you know, it's like a Beatles-Stones thing.

01:28:51.000 Oh, there's no good answer.

01:28:53.000 No, it's just like it depends on your taste.

01:28:55.000 There's no bad answer, I should say.

01:28:56.000 Like the Aztecs were very raw, whereas the Incas, you know, every note was perfect. 1.00

01:29:02.000 You know, I mean, it's just your taste.

01:29:06.000 Some of it was better live and in concert, and some of it was kind of like, you know, yeah, did the Incas use a lot of studio tricks? 0.84

01:29:12.000 Yeah, and it sounded fucking great. 1.00

01:29:15.000 The Incas did some wild shit. 1.00

01:29:17.000 Yeah, they both did. 0.99

01:29:18.000 I mean, Mel Gibson's movie Apocalypto, which is such a great movie.

01:29:22.000 Amazing.

01:29:23.000 And that was Aztecs, right?

01:29:26.000 No, that was the Mayans.

01:29:27.000 The Mayans, right.

01:29:28.000 I left them out.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, the Mayans, they also believe were wiped out by disease because Cabeza de Vaca talked about encountering them.

01:29:37.000 They talked about the historical stories that people would tell about running into these people with these golden helmets and It was all like this incredible civilization that existed.

01:29:48.000 And the theory is that when people came back and it was all completely abandoned, there was no real theory until they started concentrating on the viruses and the different bugs that killed the Native Americans.

01:29:59.000 Well, of course, they probably killed the Mayans, too. 0.97

01:30:01.000 They probably killed people every time they came through.

01:30:03.000 They think they killed everybody in the Amazon.

01:30:05.000 Do you know about that?

01:30:06.000 No.

01:30:07.000 Do you know that Lost City of Z? There's no moose in the Amazon, though, are there?

01:30:14.000 No. 1.00

01:30:14.000 There's Jaguars and shit. 1.00

01:30:16.000 But did you ever read that book or hear about that movie, The Lost City of Z? It was all about a lost city in the Amazon. 0.99

01:30:22.000 Yes, it was a movie that was like attempted to be made forever, one of those that was like in turnaround forever.

01:30:29.000 Isn't that the one?

01:30:30.000 I'm not sure about the history of the movie, but the movie itself was about British explorers that make their way through the Amazon because there's supposed to be this lost city of golden statues and this incredible wealth and sophistication that exists in the Amazon.

01:30:43.000 Well, everybody thought it was nonsense.

01:30:46.000 They all thought it was just crazy myth and bullshit, but it's all just jungle. 0.99

01:30:51.000 You could never have a city there. 0.98

01:30:52.000 And then they realized the jungle itself is man-made.

01:30:56.000 A big part of the Amazon jungle itself was from human cultivation of very specific plants.

01:31:03.000 One was like, what is the ice cream bean tree and a few other ones?

01:31:06.000 They're like...

01:31:08.000 Plants that people planted back then, thousand, two thousand, ten thousand years ago.

01:31:12.000 And they've overwhelmed this area of the world.

01:31:15.000 It's amazing.

01:31:16.000 And underneath it- In a positive way?

01:31:19.000 Well, this is the point. 0.95

01:31:20.000 The only reason why it happened is because European settlers came through and killed everybody. 1.00

01:31:25.000 Everybody died from diseases. 0.98

01:31:27.000 So there's these cities that could have held a fucking million people, and they're finding them through Lidar. 0.98

01:31:32.000 So they're flying over this area of the jungle with this light-penetrating laser shit, and they're seeing these grids and patterns and city streets, and it's all engulfed in the forest. 0.98

01:31:43.000 The jungle just overwhelmed everything. 0.99

01:31:45.000 But it was because the Europeans came through and gave everybody's fucking smallpox. 1.00

01:31:50.000 It's wild! 1.00

01:31:51.000 Fucking Europeans. 1.00

01:31:52.000 I mean, that's the real story of North America. 1.00

01:31:55.000 It's like, deceased people come here and kill off most folks.

01:31:59.000 Also, I mean, Apocalypto, besides being such a great chase movie, one of the greatest chase movies ever, right?

01:32:06.000 It's a great movie.

01:32:07.000 It is a great movie.

01:32:08.000 I mean, Mel Gibson, for all his flaws, is an amazing filmmaker.

01:32:11.000 I mean, he's done it over and over again.

01:32:13.000 He just understands the medium of film.

01:32:15.000 Oh, my God.

01:32:17.000 But I just thought it was interesting because I'm sure the Indians certainly did horrible crimes to them. 1.00

01:32:25.000 And I'm sure their culture was in many ways superior.

01:32:30.000 But he pointed out in that movie...

01:32:32.000 That just because you're, you know, a Native American doesn't mean you weren't also, like, chopping heads off of people for religious ceremonies. 0.99

01:32:41.000 I mean, one tribe was brutal to another tribe because we're humans.

01:32:47.000 Humans are basically the same all over the world.

01:32:50.000 That's a big part of...

01:32:51.000 Of all races.

01:32:52.000 I mean, that is more...

01:32:54.000 What we have in common is being human, and humans are still a very primitive species, very brutal, very savage species.

01:33:00.000 And that didn't just completely suspend itself with Indian culture.

01:33:05.000 A hundred percent.

01:33:06.000 That's a big part of the story of the Comanche is how they would torture and mock. 1.00

01:33:11.000 They were fucking horrible. 0.99

01:33:12.000 While a guy was alive, they would cut his arms and legs off and then throw him on a bonfire so he would wiggle to death while burning alive with his arms and his legs just freshly cut off. 1.00

01:33:24.000 I mean, they did wild shit to people. 0.99

01:33:26.000 I'd rather be skull-fucked by a moose. 1.00

01:33:28.000 I tell you, that's terrible. 0.99

01:33:31.000 Leave your fantasies out of this song.

01:33:33.000 I am not going to.

01:33:35.000 They were also just fascinating in the simplicity of their culture.

01:33:41.000 They didn't have a lot of art.

01:33:43.000 It was really just about following buffalo herds around.

01:33:46.000 Spartan.

01:33:47.000 Yeah.

01:33:47.000 Very much so.

01:33:48.000 Very much so.

01:33:49.000 Warriors.

01:33:49.000 Just fierce warriors.

01:33:51.000 That's the Spartan.

01:33:52.000 I mean, that's a word in the language.

01:33:54.000 Spartan.

01:33:54.000 It comes from the city in Greece.

01:33:56.000 They were the rival of Athens at the height of Greek culture in the 5th century BC. But they were just about, you know, war.

01:34:06.000 Raiding and conquering.

01:34:08.000 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 Well, no.

01:34:09.000 They were just...

01:34:10.000 I don't think they were raiding and conquering.

01:34:13.000 I'm sorry.

01:34:13.000 That's the Comanche.

01:34:15.000 I think they were fucking each other in the ranks, if I recall my Greek history. 0.99

01:34:21.000 But that was to create a camaraderie in the armed services. 0.98

01:34:26.000 I mean, I think they may have used, I mean, you can check me on your Mr. Google box, but I think that Spartans used homosexuality as a camaraderie-building tool. 0.94

01:34:40.000 I bet a lot of people did back then.

01:34:42.000 It's convenient.

01:34:44.000 I mean, look, we know it happens in prison, right?

01:34:46.000 It happens in prison, they make that choice.

01:34:48.000 I'm sure a lot of people...

01:34:50.000 Choice is a strong word for what happens in prison, Joe.

01:34:53.000 I don't know...

01:34:55.000 I think some of them must make a choice, and some of them, it's against their will.

01:35:01.000 Right.

01:35:01.000 I think a lot of it is against your choice.

01:35:05.000 Yeah, there's a lot.

01:35:05.000 But I mean, if you talk to actual prisoners, it's not as much as you would think it is.

01:35:10.000 Do you remember the HBO series Oz?

01:35:12.000 Yes.

01:35:12.000 Did you watch that?

01:35:13.000 I watched it. 0.99

01:35:14.000 Fucking terrifying. 0.99

01:35:15.000 And I could not stop watching it. 1.00

01:35:19.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

01:35:21.000 J.K. Simmons. 1.00

01:35:22.000 That was the first time I ever saw him.

01:35:25.000 He was on that show.

01:35:26.000 He was a regular. 0.77

01:35:27.000 He was the Nazi. 0.75

01:35:29.000 Not the Nazi.

01:35:30.000 A Nazi. 0.75

01:35:31.000 Like the lead Nazi. 0.80

01:35:33.000 And what was so chilling was in the first episode, there's one guy in prison who, of course, we all HBO... Right.

01:35:49.000 Right.

01:35:59.000 I know it can be rough in here, blah, blah, blah.

01:36:02.000 And he totally has him snowed thinking he's a nice guy.

01:36:05.000 You come on.

01:36:05.000 I'll tell the guard.

01:36:06.000 I know him.

01:36:07.000 I'll bribe him.

01:36:08.000 You can be my cellmate. 1.00

01:36:10.000 Cut to he's tattooing a swastika into his ass. 1.00

01:36:17.000 And that's when I said to myself, I don't want to go to prison. 1.00

01:36:21.000 You know, up until then it seemed...

01:36:23.000 No. 1.00

01:36:24.000 If you get that swastika lasered off your ass... 1.00

01:36:26.000 So what do you do? 1.00

01:36:27.000 Do you get it lasered off or do you just not tell anybody? 1.00

01:36:30.000 Well, it's on your ass. 1.00

01:36:31.000 Yeah, I get it. 1.00

01:36:32.000 Yeah, I would just never... 1.00

01:36:34.000 Yeah, who's going to see your ass? 1.00

01:36:37.000 I mean, get married, you have to tell one person, and even she probably doesn't see your ass a lot. 1.00

01:36:43.000 Even if you got it lasered off, what if it left, like, the faintest of scars? 0.99

01:36:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Why do you have a scar on a swastika on your ass, Bill? 1.00

01:36:50.000 I would... 1.00

01:36:51.000 Well, I'd say, there's a story here.

01:36:57.000 No, I would think what you would do is not get it, lace it off.

01:37:02.000 You would, you know, add to it to make it very easy to make a swastika into a square with lines in it or, you know, a tic-tac-toe board. 0.70

01:37:11.000 A big bouquet.

01:37:12.000 Right.

01:37:12.000 Yeah, or maybe a dream catcher.

01:37:14.000 Right.

01:37:15.000 But put it incorporated into the middle of a larger painting so now you don't look like you're a Nazi. 0.99

01:37:21.000 You look like you're gay. 1.00

01:37:24.000 With a flowery arrangement on your ass. 1.00

01:37:27.000 That's what I would do. 1.00

01:37:28.000 That's probably the best way.

01:37:29.000 I don't want kids out there to take my advice.

01:37:32.000 I'm not dispensing medical wisdom, kids.

01:37:34.000 I would say laser it off first and then see what's up.

01:37:38.000 See if you got a scar.

01:37:39.000 If you don't have a scar, just accept the lasering off.

01:37:41.000 I don't know if lasering...

01:37:42.000 I think the tattooing itself leaves some kind of scar. 1.00

01:37:45.000 They're digging in your ass. 1.00

01:37:47.000 Look at all your tattoos. 1.00

01:37:48.000 Yeah, they're scars.

01:37:49.000 I mean, scars are inking them.

01:37:51.000 That's really what it is.

01:37:52.000 I mean, you can actually see it.

01:37:55.000 Why would you do that to yourself?

01:37:58.000 Of course you'll like it.

01:37:59.000 I like them.

01:38:00.000 But I mean, is it worth it?

01:38:03.000 What is the reward to risk ratio there?

01:38:06.000 What's the risk?

01:38:06.000 That I don't like it?

01:38:07.000 The risk that you're injecting ink into your skin?

01:38:10.000 That, to me, just on the surface of it doesn't sound like...

01:38:14.000 It's not really injecting into your skin.

01:38:16.000 It's leaving holes from the needle, and then the ink fills those holes.

01:38:21.000 It's permanently embedded in your skin.

01:38:24.000 It's art.

01:38:24.000 That still sounds so...

01:38:25.000 I know the art part.

01:38:28.000 Come on, bro.

01:38:28.000 You want to get a sleeve?

01:38:30.000 You know you do.

01:38:31.000 That's Miyamoto Musashi.

01:38:32.000 He's who wrote The Book of Five Rings.

01:38:34.000 It's a famous Japanese samurai.

01:38:36.000 Do you know who he is?

01:38:37.000 He wrote an amazing book on strategy and he was like an incredibly balanced guy in that he believed in poetry and calligraphy and creating art.

01:38:48.000 But he was also the greatest samurai that ever lived.

01:38:50.000 And the thing that he said was that you had to be all of those things.

01:38:53.000 You had to be in balance, in full harmony.

01:38:56.000 And by doing that, you had to be in touch with your artistic side, your creative side.

01:39:00.000 And he killed 60 men in one-on-one battle swords.

01:39:04.000 I can dig all that, but why does it need to be on your arm?

01:39:07.000 That's my question.

01:39:08.000 Because I read a book when I was like 16. I know.

01:39:11.000 And it was by an ancient samurai and I thought it was cool.

01:39:13.000 You're like doing my tattoo bit for me.

01:39:15.000 I am.

01:39:15.000 You can't just remember that?

01:39:17.000 No, this is why.

01:39:18.000 You ask the question, we're on a podcast.

01:39:20.000 I know.

01:39:21.000 I'm just trying to...

01:39:22.000 I mean, to me, this is more dangerous than the moose.

01:39:25.000 This is not.

01:39:26.000 I know, but it's not natural.

01:39:28.000 And also, it is ink under the skin.

01:39:31.000 I mean, you can't tell me.

01:39:32.000 You know what else is natural?

01:39:33.000 Cell phones.

01:39:35.000 They're not naturally there.

01:39:36.000 This is art! 0.98

01:39:37.000 You know how fucking millions of people have skin art? 0.98

01:39:39.000 I understand. 1.00

01:39:40.000 That doesn't mean that millions of people do lots of stupid things. 1.00

01:39:43.000 We were just talking about how many people are obese. 0.98

01:39:45.000 But you're also talking about there's a certain amount of risk in life.

01:39:48.000 The risk of getting a problem from a tattoo.

01:39:51.000 The only risk is bad art.

01:39:52.000 This is one I can avoid.

01:39:54.000 It's like I was going to say before.

01:39:56.000 People are so fatalistic.

01:39:57.000 It's something I've heard so many times in my life when I try to talk to people about health and this, that.

01:40:02.000 And they go, yeah, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow.

01:40:05.000 And I always think this is something I could 100% avoid.

01:40:09.000 I feel I can just absolutely guarantee myself that I will not get hit by a bus or eaten by a moose or get a tattoo.

01:40:18.000 I just play the odds.

01:40:20.000 I do the things.

01:40:21.000 I mean, this is not how Jesus made me with tattoos.

01:40:27.000 I feel like you need a whole Japanese bodysuit. 0.54

01:40:30.000 You should go the whole other direction.

01:40:31.000 Get one of them David Lee Roth deals.

01:40:33.000 David Lee Roth has like a three-quarter sleeve suit, like a Japanese... 0.97

01:40:38.000 David Lee Roth?

01:40:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:40.000 David Lee Roth got him a tap-tap style in Japan, where they do it like the old-school way.

01:40:44.000 He got a lot of his tattoos done, like traditional, super painful way.

01:40:48.000 You know, the one that blew my mind, and I love Ben, Ben Affleck, But he got that giant...

01:40:54.000 He's got a phoenix on his back, right?

01:40:57.000 A phoenix.

01:40:58.000 And I love such a funny comment that his ex-wife said when they asked her about it because he had said something like, this is a symbol of renewal, the phoenix rising from the ashes.

01:41:13.000 And Jennifer Garner said, I think in this analogy, I'm the ashes.

01:41:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:21.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:23.000 There it is.

01:41:25.000 That's unusual.

01:41:26.000 That's a real...

01:41:27.000 What's the thing below it?

01:41:28.000 That's a commitment.

01:41:28.000 What is that red stuff?

01:41:30.000 What is all that stuff?

01:41:32.000 That's what's confusing.

01:41:33.000 Red stuff.

01:41:34.000 That stuff.

01:41:34.000 I mean, it's part of the art.

01:41:35.000 What is that?

01:41:36.000 Is that the tail?

01:41:37.000 Oh, I see.

01:41:38.000 I see what's going on.

01:41:39.000 So that's the crazy long...

01:41:40.000 Oh, I see.

01:41:41.000 It hooks around.

01:41:42.000 There's his head, and there's the wings, and it's got a big, long body and two dinosaur arms.

01:41:48.000 Interesting.

01:41:49.000 You know.

01:41:49.000 Well, I'm a big fan of phoenixes, but I can't say that's my favorite one.

01:41:53.000 I've seen some dope images of phoenixes, but... 0.84

01:41:57.000 I'm a big fan of Ben.

01:41:58.000 There's David Lee Ross, see?

01:41:59.000 He's got this whole...

01:42:00.000 Oh, wow.

01:42:00.000 That's a horrible...

01:42:01.000 That's a vest!

01:42:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:03.000 He's got a tattoo vest? 1.00

01:42:04.000 That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. 1.00

01:42:08.000 That is so... 1.00

01:42:10.000 Is that what he looks like now?

01:42:12.000 That's what he looks like now.

01:42:13.000 Oh, he doesn't look healthy.

01:42:15.000 Well, he's an older fella.

01:42:17.000 I know, but he looks like he should eat more.

01:42:20.000 He should eat more.

01:42:21.000 You think so?

01:42:22.000 Yes, he looks too gaunt.

01:42:23.000 Maybe that's like his operable weight. 0.99

01:42:26.000 See, all that shit that he's got on it, that's all tap style. 0.99

01:42:28.000 He had all that done in a very traditional way. 0.99

01:42:32.000 I don't know what this adds to life.

01:42:35.000 I really don't.

01:42:36.000 Makes you look hot.

01:42:37.000 I don't.

01:42:38.000 I know a lot of people think that way, I guess.

01:42:40.000 I don't know.

01:42:41.000 People like it or they don't like it.

01:42:42.000 It's like, for me, there's no permanence.

01:42:45.000 Yeah, is it permanently on my body until I die?

01:42:47.000 Yeah, but I'm dying.

01:42:48.000 We're all dying.

01:42:48.000 Why do you care if you look hot?

01:42:49.000 You're married.

01:42:50.000 It's not that looking hot.

01:42:51.000 I'm talking about him.

01:42:52.000 Oh, okay.

01:42:53.000 David Lee Roth is hot.

01:42:56.000 Why did you get the tattoos?

01:42:58.000 I just like art, man.

01:43:00.000 I like skin art.

01:43:01.000 And this guy, Aaron Della Vadova, he's a good friend of mine.

01:43:04.000 He runs Guru Tattoo in San Diego.

01:43:07.000 He's awesome.

01:43:08.000 He did another friend of mine, Mark Beecher.

01:43:09.000 He must be.

01:43:10.000 A plug on your show like that must be worth millions of dollars.

01:43:13.000 You already can't get in on him.

01:43:15.000 20 million people will hear that.

01:43:17.000 Gigantic waiting list.

01:43:19.000 He's really good.

01:43:19.000 But the point is that I was just always fascinated with tattoo art.

01:43:25.000 I like it.

01:43:26.000 I like the way it looks on people.

01:43:28.000 I like getting it.

01:43:29.000 You have permanent art on you.

01:43:32.000 You have an interesting...

01:43:34.000 And getting back to our original starting point is exactly...

01:43:39.000 I'm not offended if someone doesn't like tattoos.

01:43:42.000 I'm not offended at almost anything.

01:43:43.000 And I'm not offended if you make fun of it because it's funny.

01:43:46.000 It's funny.

01:43:46.000 I'm not offended...

01:43:48.000 And it's the spice of life to how boring it would be to talk to ourselves.

01:43:54.000 Exactly.

01:43:54.000 We should all be able to have these kind of conversations where we're not taking it personally if someone disagrees or something.

01:44:00.000 It's so silly. 0.93

01:44:01.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:44:03.000 Dick! 0.99

01:44:04.000 It's the social media thing, man. 0.99

01:44:06.000 I think that accentuated it heavily.

01:44:09.000 Of course.

01:44:09.000 Social media made everything worse and brings out the worst in people.

01:44:14.000 I did a whole editorial one night about, oh, I can't remember, we had a whole list of all the ways it makes you more of a dick. 0.99

01:44:20.000 It makes you passive-aggressive, for one. 0.99

01:44:22.000 It can, yeah.

01:44:23.000 It can.

01:44:24.000 It definitely does.

01:44:25.000 It does for most people.

01:44:26.000 I mean, it's avoidable, is what I'm saying.

01:44:28.000 It is, but people don't.

01:44:29.000 No, they don't.

01:44:30.000 They ghost.

01:44:31.000 It's very easy just to not answer, to ghost people, as opposed to just saying, oh, you know, I met someone new.

01:44:39.000 We had a great time.

01:44:40.000 Whatever it is.

01:44:42.000 Or what else is it?

01:44:45.000 Oh, it makes you bullying.

01:44:48.000 There's a lot of that.

01:44:48.000 Easy to be more of a bully.

01:44:51.000 Certainly makes you stupider because all the time people used to have to read a book at the end of the day, that went up in smoke because they're just scrolling through their phone and playing stupid games and looking at pictures and Instagram. 0.99

01:45:06.000 It's the ultimate time suck, the way it sucks time all the time you would have to actually learn something. 0.99

01:45:16.000 I feel like that was the sea change in this century was when a whole generation was raised on the phone and social media.

01:45:29.000 I don't know if we're going to be able to reverse that or how we can ever really measure the damage it did.

01:45:36.000 Well, it stopped all social interaction in person that would ordinarily be something that, like, if you're having a conversation with a person, it's very rare that you're going to say something really rude to them in person.

01:45:49.000 Right.

01:45:50.000 But either through text messaging or through direct messages or social media, people are a lot—they're so shitty with each other.

01:45:57.000 And it's because you don't feel the repercussions.

01:45:59.000 If I said something insulting to you and then I saw the look in your face like you really hurt your feelings, Correct.

01:46:04.000 It makes me feel bad.

01:46:06.000 Right.

01:46:06.000 It's natural.

01:46:07.000 Right.

01:46:08.000 We're social beings.

01:46:09.000 And that social aspect of social media is completely eliminated because you're not experiencing the person in front of you.

01:46:17.000 You're just saying something.

01:46:18.000 Oh, and also, another one, makes you fake.

01:46:21.000 Fake!

01:46:22.000 You can fake everything.

01:46:24.000 And people faking their lives.

01:46:26.000 People finding it more important to look like they're having a good life and a good time than actually be having one. 0.98

01:46:33.000 That's a fucked up psychological state to be in. 0.97

01:46:39.000 I've never dated from social media. 0.99

01:46:42.000 I never would.

01:46:43.000 I mean, the capacity people have to...

01:46:47.000 Yeah.

01:46:48.000 Be someone who they're not.

01:46:51.000 Even with the pictures.

01:46:52.000 Oh, sure.

01:46:53.000 You couldn't trust even the picture, let alone what they're saying about themselves.

01:46:59.000 I mean, Tinder, I don't think, was something that made people's lives.

01:47:03.000 I'm sure there are Tinder marriages, but basically it's just a hookup thing, is it not?

01:47:09.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 Okay.

01:47:11.000 Well, that can't be good for long-term human relations.

01:47:16.000 It's too easy.

01:47:17.000 Too easy. 0.99

01:47:18.000 People could just get on an app and say they want to fuck and someone wants to meet them and they can go meet these people. 0.98

01:47:24.000 I don't think this is really what most women ever wanted or still want. 0.98

01:47:28.000 I don't think it's in their DNA to not be Tinder-like.

01:47:33.000 They want Tinder, not Tinder.

01:47:36.000 And I read an article about it.

01:47:40.000 I'm not going to say I'm an expert.

01:47:41.000 I've never been on Tinder.

01:47:43.000 I wouldn't know what it looked like on an app if I saw it.

01:47:46.000 But I read this article, I think it was in a Vanity Fair or something, and it described this girl who, you know, does it.

01:47:55.000 The guy's like, hey, what's up? 0.99

01:47:56.000 And they meet, they fuck. 0.99

01:48:00.000 She said she's getting dressed, and she turns around, and he's sitting on the bed on Tinder. 0.98

01:48:08.000 So before he had got his clothes back on, he was back on the site, I guess.

01:48:12.000 That's crazy.

01:48:13.000 Well, it's sad.

01:48:15.000 It's sad.

01:48:16.000 Well, it's like a game, too, right?

01:48:19.000 And I hope that girl never did it again on Tinder. 0.92

01:48:21.000 And I bet you she didn't.

01:48:23.000 Oof.

01:48:24.000 I mean, you know, if you give men the opportunity to be that disposable...

01:48:29.000 They probably will, a lot of them.

01:48:32.000 I mean, men are, especially young men, are feral creatures.

01:48:37.000 They're a moose in the street.

01:48:39.000 But do you think that those should be, obviously they should be legal, right?

01:48:44.000 You should be able to meet people online.

01:48:45.000 So how do you avoid it becoming something?

01:48:47.000 Oh, I'm not saying not illegal.

01:48:49.000 Maybe you only let a guy go on like one date a week.

01:48:53.000 Like you have a limit, you know, like give you a limit of gigabytes you can upload.

01:48:58.000 You got a limit of one date a week from it.

01:49:00.000 No, this is not something that can be solved with government regulations, and we're not saying that.

01:49:05.000 But it becomes, I think, if you were using any social media where you're doing something and something is happening back.

01:49:13.000 You say something, someone responds.

01:49:15.000 You argue on Twitter, someone argues back.

01:49:17.000 You're playing a game.

01:49:18.000 It's not just as simple as...

01:49:21.000 You're having a conversation about something.

01:49:23.000 You're also trying to win this weird social media game.

01:49:26.000 And I think that can apply to dating.

01:49:28.000 I think it applied to gambling.

01:49:30.000 I think there's a lot of people that are like heavy-duty gambling online now because it's exciting, right?

01:49:35.000 But another bad thing that social media type stuff and the phone has done is atrophied people's social skills.

01:49:44.000 Right.

01:49:46.000 I talked to some girl, I don't know where it was, a long time ago, maybe five, six years ago.

01:49:51.000 I remember she was saying to me, I said, do you ever been on Tinder?

01:49:54.000 She said, you know, I tried it a couple of times, but it's always like I get on and, oh, okay, there's a guy.

01:50:03.000 He looks kind of cute.

01:50:04.000 He doesn't seem like a psycho.

01:50:06.000 And then apparently if you match with each other, then you can start Messaging, right?

01:50:12.000 So the guy would just, she'd say, hi, how you doing?

01:50:17.000 What's up?

01:50:21.000 I'm good.

01:50:22.000 How are you doing tonight?

01:50:24.000 What's up?

01:50:25.000 They could not even make a conversation over texting.

01:50:29.000 It was just like, want to hook up?

01:50:33.000 And women need a little courting and deserve it. 1.00

01:50:38.000 And it's fun.

01:50:40.000 That's part of the fun.

01:50:42.000 Do you think people will change because of this?

01:50:44.000 I think they have changed.

01:50:45.000 I'm telling you.

01:50:46.000 I don't think men know how to do it anymore.

01:50:49.000 And also, people, that younger generation, that Gen Z generation, finds it almost aggressive, too aggressive to be approached in person. 0.91

01:51:00.000 You have to do it over social media.

01:51:03.000 They feel safer that way.

01:51:24.000 You know, what a generation of, you know, frail people. 0.98

01:51:30.000 That's not good for the country.

01:51:32.000 Or them.

01:51:33.000 Yeah, and trying to be so sensitive, we've created people that need that sensitivity.

01:51:37.000 And I think there's a balancing act that's being missed on people that hate people's descriptions of reality that are uncomfortable to them.

01:51:46.000 Like, that's important.

01:51:47.000 It's important to know.

01:51:48.000 You know, like, this idea that the truth is shameful.

01:51:51.000 You're shaming people with the truth.

01:51:53.000 Like, stop it.

01:51:55.000 Not with me, Joe.

01:51:56.000 No, not with you.

01:51:57.000 Not with me and not with you.

01:51:59.000 No, but it's impossible to find on anything that's corporate sponsored.

01:52:06.000 It's so hard. 0.98

01:52:07.000 Like, when you watch any kind of television show where they're giving opinions and they're giving it in this environment where there's a giant group of people behind the scenes and executives and producers, it's very hard to just talk shit. 0.99

01:52:20.000 Like, look what happened to Whoopi. 0.99

01:52:22.000 All she did was have an opinion on the Holocaust where white people killing white people.

01:52:28.000 And maybe she phrased it in a way that wasn't the best.

01:52:32.000 Or maybe if you gave her a chance to illuminate it better upon further consideration, she would have had another.

01:52:37.000 But you're thinking in real time.

01:52:40.000 So that one thing that she said where you could say, oh, I could see where other people could see it wrong or what I was saying was wrong or insensitive or whatever it was.

01:52:50.000 But people still, you have to take off work.

01:52:53.000 You have to stop working. 1.00

01:52:54.000 But her whole working is talking shit, right? 1.00

01:52:57.000 I mean, those girls are sitting around. 1.00

01:52:59.000 They're talking about stuff.

01:53:00.000 That's their work.

01:53:01.000 I defended her.

01:53:02.000 Yeah, me too.

01:53:02.000 Even though I thought her statement was...

01:53:06.000 Very wrong and is very wrong.

01:53:08.000 Yeah, it's incorrect.

01:53:08.000 And she had just attacked me the week before about COVID, so I had every reason to get back at her, but I didn't.

01:53:14.000 Good for you.

01:53:15.000 Good for you.

01:53:16.000 Well, the principle is most important.

01:53:17.000 Yes, but good for you still.

01:53:20.000 We need more of that.

01:53:21.000 What I said about it was you can't expect to have treated black people the way white people have treated them in this country for all these centuries.

01:53:32.000 And have them have the same opinion on everything.

01:53:36.000 That's a good point.

01:53:37.000 It's a very different opinion.

01:53:39.000 I don't agree with it.

01:53:40.000 I don't even think it's factually accurate.

01:53:42.000 I know it's not.

01:53:43.000 But she has the right to express it.

01:53:45.000 And she shouldn't have to be punished for it.

01:53:47.000 And I totally understand why she might feel that way.

01:53:51.000 Because if I had had that background, I might feel that way.

01:53:54.000 And you have to allow that in society.

01:53:57.000 That should be something that the woke are championing.

01:54:00.000 You'd think they would.

01:54:01.000 You'd think they would understand that, since they're always making everything about race.

01:54:06.000 And a lot of America is about race.

01:54:08.000 And certainly you're just going to come up with a very different point of view.

01:54:12.000 If you're a black person of her age, especially, in this country.

01:54:17.000 And so, you know, you're right. 0.97

01:54:19.000 To make someone sit home, it's just gross. 0.99

01:54:23.000 It's just fucking gross. 0.98

01:54:24.000 There should be that opportunity to confront that argument. 0.98

01:54:29.000 Maybe she would have adjusted it in real time if someone confronted her on it who had more information, someone she respected.

01:54:36.000 Or just say, I'm not there with you on that.

01:54:40.000 I don't like tattoos.

01:54:42.000 So what?

01:54:43.000 Move on.

01:54:45.000 Next.

01:54:45.000 But you're asking someone to have a conversation in real time.

01:54:48.000 Like, you're asking them to have opinions on things that maybe they didn't even think they were going to discuss.

01:54:53.000 Like, maybe she didn't even have... 0.99

01:54:54.000 Maybe she didn't know that this is what they were going to talk about.

01:54:57.000 Right.

01:54:58.000 I mean, I don't know how they're doing it, but if they're doing it like a real conversation, I would assume a lot of it is just free flow.

01:55:03.000 Yes, of course it is.

01:55:04.000 Of course, right?

01:55:05.000 You've seen The View.

01:55:06.000 So you've got to let them do it.

01:55:10.000 Like, that's what they're doing.

01:55:11.000 What if I have to pee?

01:55:12.000 You go pee.

01:55:13.000 Right now?

01:55:14.000 Yeah, we'll pause.

01:55:16.000 We'll be right back.

01:55:17.000 Bill Maher has to pee.

01:55:18.000 Bill Maher, I was way too high about 20 minutes ago, so disregard everything I said.

01:55:22.000 I'm back now. 1.00

01:55:25.000 I forgot how strong that shit is. 0.99

01:55:26.000 I was in the middle of some nonsensical explanation of how I felt about The View. 1.00

01:55:32.000 I was like, where am I going with it?

01:55:34.000 Actually, you were right on about it.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 No, I definitely was in that way.

01:55:39.000 It's just, I think that's one of the cool things about you being able to do your show.

01:55:45.000 It's clear that you can do your show and you can speak your mind about things in a way that is very uncommon in late night talk shows.

01:55:53.000 Oh.

01:55:54.000 It's very uncommon.

01:55:55.000 Well, I mean, first of all, like we were saying before about the difference between when I started when you couldn't be political or they didn't want you to.

01:56:03.000 And I was like, let's give it a shot.

01:56:05.000 Let's see if even if people disagree with me, they still might watch it.

01:56:10.000 Versus now, where you better toe the line.

01:56:14.000 And so the politics comes first and the comedy comes second, which is really not the way it should be.

01:56:21.000 And, you know, when you see, like, if there's somebody who announces they're gay on TV, which is great. 0.99

01:56:28.000 I'm so glad that people can do that.

01:56:31.000 I applaud with you.

01:56:33.000 And then they're like, well, that was very brave.

01:56:36.000 It's brave when people boo at you.

01:56:39.000 When you announce something and everyone erupts in applause, that's not brave, right?

01:56:45.000 I mean, I'm glad it can happen in America.

01:56:47.000 I'm glad there's this level of acceptance.

01:56:50.000 But, I mean, the audience acts like it's... 0.61

01:56:54.000 It's like, great, okay, you're gay. 0.98

01:56:55.000 It's fantastic. 0.69

01:56:56.000 I'm happy for you.

01:56:57.000 But they act like it's some sort of, like, achievement.

01:57:02.000 And I guess it can be an achievement to come out.

01:57:06.000 But again, to do something in front of an audience that is adoring you for it, good.

01:57:11.000 I'm glad it's happening.

01:57:12.000 But it's just like the audience feels like, I'm such a good person because I'm applauding a person who announced they're gay.

01:57:19.000 That makes me a good person.

01:57:21.000 And there's that feeling, I feel like, in that kind of audience that they're playing to that makes it hard to do comedy because that's a very politically correct mindset.

01:57:32.000 Yeah, it really is.

01:57:33.000 It's very difficult to have that kind of a mindset and mock things.

01:57:37.000 Because everything you're mocking becomes a victim.

01:57:39.000 So it's a real problem with comedy. 1.00

01:57:42.000 Because when you're mocking things, you're an ableist if you mock a stupid person. 1.00

01:57:47.000 You're an ableist. 1.00

01:57:49.000 Because you're okay and this person's fucked up. 1.00

01:57:51.000 Right. 1.00

01:57:52.000 But that is stupid. 1.00

01:57:53.000 In itself it's stupid. 1.00

01:57:55.000 The problem is the enemy of comedy. 1.00

01:57:57.000 That kind of thinking. 1.00

01:57:59.000 Only a stupid person would think that wasn't stupid. 1.00

01:58:02.000 But it's always very weird when people want to control the way people think and speak. 1.00

01:58:07.000 And that's a thing that we've always been very nervous about throughout history.

01:58:14.000 In history, whenever dissent against the king was, you could get killed, right?

01:58:20.000 And everybody was very careful about what they said, right? 1.00

01:58:23.000 Because if you said the wrong thing, they'd cut your fucking head off. 0.99

01:58:25.000 And that's still the case in some parts of the world. 1.00

01:58:28.000 Yes, not just the king.

01:58:29.000 That's where it always goes.

01:58:31.000 That's where it always goes. 1.00

01:58:32.000 It always goes to, you shut the fuck up or I'll kill you. 1.00

01:58:35.000 It always goes there. 1.00

01:58:36.000 Yes.

01:58:37.000 I mean, Stalin had a famous slogan, no person, no problem, which Saddam Hussein thought was great and adopted it in his country.

01:58:46.000 Like, if there's a problem with this person and he disappears, Putin loves to push people out windows and poison them.

01:58:53.000 No person, no problem.

01:58:54.000 I mean, it is the easiest way to solve a problem.

01:58:58.000 It's not the right way.

01:58:59.000 I don't care who knows it.

01:59:01.000 I don't think that's the right way to do it.

01:59:03.000 But yes, I mean, stopping people from talking.

01:59:06.000 Now, of course, in this country now, we have lots of ways to stop people from talking short of killing them and pushing them out of windows and stuff.

01:59:14.000 But, I mean, a lot of people would say I would be one of them that, you know, cancel culture and intimidating people and stamping out thought that isn't...

01:59:26.000 Our friend Elon Musk getting into Twitter, I think, is about that.

01:59:31.000 It's about somebody saying, you know, it wasn't cool that they didn't allow the lab leak theory to be talked about.

01:59:41.000 Right.

01:59:42.000 For months, you couldn't even mention it.

01:59:44.000 And that is certainly something that was open to question.

01:59:49.000 I mean, it was like, to me, the very kind of issue that if Twitter was really doing the job it should, would be a healthy forum for people to go back and forth and say, well, here's why I think COVID probably came from bats, because A, B, and C. And then, well,

02:00:04.000 but, you know, there was this lab in Wuhan that was studying coronaviruses, and somebody could have walked out with it on their shoe because Can't we even look into that?

02:00:13.000 For Twitter to take that off?

02:00:17.000 That, to me, was a huge red flag.

02:00:20.000 It's crazy.

02:00:20.000 It was crazy because it wasn't resolved.

02:00:24.000 It just wasn't resolved.

02:00:25.000 It wasn't resolved amongst virologists.

02:00:28.000 It wasn't resolved amongst...

02:00:29.000 There was no way they could know.

02:00:31.000 Even the Biden administration admits that.

02:00:34.000 Yeah.

02:00:34.000 Yeah, it's absolutely a possibility.

02:00:36.000 I know Redfield, the former head of the CDC... Firmly believes it was in a lab.

02:00:44.000 But again, that becomes the conservative view. 1.00

02:00:47.000 For what fucking reason? 0.99

02:00:49.000 I can't even follow the logic of why we pick, okay, if you think it came from the wet markets, you're a Democrat. 1.00

02:00:56.000 And if you think it came out of the lab, you're a Republican? 1.00

02:00:59.000 It's like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:01:00.000 Does that have to do with Republican or Democrat? 0.99

02:01:03.000 It's the same as everything. 0.99

02:01:04.000 It's just fucking pure tribalism. 0.99

02:01:07.000 The Democrats that do think it came out of a lab tell you like this. 1.00

02:01:15.000 Really?

02:01:16.000 Really?

02:01:17.000 Yeah, they're careful.

02:01:18.000 They cover the mic on their phones.

02:01:20.000 It's that toxic?

02:01:21.000 Oh, 100%.

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 Not as much now.

02:01:24.000 I think it's one of those things that's been accepted because there's been New York Times articles on it.

02:01:30.000 There's been a lot of people.

02:01:31.000 Yeah, cover of Newsweek.

02:01:33.000 Remember?

02:01:34.000 Well, I think this probably comes from the fact that somebody thought that it was racist.

02:01:41.000 To think that it came from the lab.

02:01:44.000 The lab that the white people funded?

02:01:47.000 The lab.

02:01:48.000 This high-tech lab. 0.99

02:01:49.000 It seems it would be much more racist to think it came out of eating that primitive fucking crazy food that you're eating in the wet market. 0.98

02:01:59.000 You're reading the Chicken of the Cave, as they called it in Anchorman 2, Bats. 0.99

02:02:05.000 So, you know, it's just silly. 0.99

02:02:09.000 It's just silly. 0.88

02:02:10.000 It's a scientific issue. 0.90

02:02:11.000 It should have no political dimension at all. 0.99

02:02:16.000 Yeah, I mean, if it was the other way, like if it purely, absolutely came, if all the evidence was pointing that it came from an animal, and then someone was just coming up with this idea that it came from a lab, you'd go, what the fuck are you talking about?

02:02:32.000 You'd want to go look at that.

02:02:33.000 Like, what are you talking about?

02:02:34.000 Tell me what you're saying. 0.98

02:02:36.000 Show me this nonsense.

02:02:37.000 But because it's the other way.

02:02:39.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

02:02:40.000 It came from a lab?

02:02:41.000 No, it's everyone saying it came from a lab now.

02:02:44.000 A lot of people are saying it came from a lab.

02:02:46.000 Maybe it came from a lab.

02:02:47.000 I'm not saying they're right, but I'm saying that if you don't talk about it, something crazy is going on.

02:02:52.000 Because either you want to look at things for what they really are, Or you have this ideological box that your ideas have to live in.

02:03:01.000 And if you say it came from a lab, you're a Trump supporter.

02:03:06.000 You hate democracy. 1.00

02:03:08.000 You hate gays. 1.00

02:03:09.000 You can stuff it in a box like that. 0.99

02:03:11.000 It gets weird with certain subjects.

02:03:14.000 Yeah.

02:03:14.000 I mean, this one got somehow balled up with anti-Asian racism.

02:03:20.000 Yeah.

02:03:22.000 Now, Trump, of course, always never finds any issue that he can't make worse.

02:03:27.000 I mean, he saw an opportunity here, as he usually does, to cater, I think, and pander to his base, some of whom definitely are racist and some of whom definitely like it when he does things like that.

02:03:43.000 But...

02:03:44.000 I don't have any objection to calling it the Wuhan virus because every virus has been named after the place it came from.

02:03:53.000 I mean, you can't almost not name a virus that is not named after where it came from.

02:03:59.000 Ebola and Nile River and, you know...

02:04:03.000 Spanish flu.

02:04:05.000 MERS is Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome.

02:04:08.000 I mean...

02:04:08.000 It's not, not everything is about racism.

02:04:13.000 I mean, that's, again, one of those common sense things, that it's not a Republican point of view.

02:04:19.000 It's just, that's the world.

02:04:21.000 It's not, everything is racial.

02:04:24.000 Yeah.

02:04:25.000 It's a serious issue, of course, still in America.

02:04:28.000 It's America's biggest sin ever in our history, but it's not everything.

02:04:34.000 You know what I think is happening?

02:04:35.000 I think everything is getting better, but it gets better like a wave. 0.96

02:04:39.000 It gets really fucked up, and then it centers out in a better, more reasonable place. 0.97

02:04:43.000 And people get really crazy about, you know, sexual determination, your gender, sexual orientation, gay or straight. 0.99

02:04:53.000 People get really crazy about it.

02:04:54.000 And then I think it's eventually going to settle down and just be, everybody just accepts everything.

02:05:00.000 Just be who you are. 0.99

02:05:01.000 Nobody gives a fuck anymore. 1.00

02:05:02.000 All of the discrimination about anything other than who you actually are is ridiculous. 0.99

02:05:07.000 You think that's going to happen?

02:05:09.000 It's getting better than it used to be, right?

02:05:12.000 It's like humanity keeps getting more and more accepting.

02:05:14.000 For the most part, there's resistance to it.

02:05:17.000 But for the most part, people are way more accepting about alternative lifestyles today.

02:05:21.000 Like gay people get married. 1.00

02:05:24.000 The way we look at it's differently.

02:05:25.000 It's different than people who lived in the 50s.

02:05:27.000 And it keeps getting better, right?

02:05:29.000 And that's great.

02:05:30.000 But I think all of this, whether it's racism or homophobia or any real fear of people getting latched into a toxic mindset, the reason why they have it is because they're recognizing that everything does kind of do this.

02:05:44.000 It swings back and forth.

02:05:45.000 And it's getting better, but it doesn't get better in a clean delineation.

02:05:51.000 It's not like all of a sudden everybody's good.

02:05:53.000 It's like they're bad and they're good and they're better. 0.98

02:05:55.000 And over a hundred years, we figure shit out. 0.99

02:05:58.000 That seems to be the pattern of humans. 0.99

02:06:00.000 We overreact, especially in America.

02:06:02.000 The pendulum always swings, never lands in the middle.

02:06:05.000 It's also hard to tell who's right.

02:06:07.000 Are they right?

02:06:08.000 Are they right?

02:06:08.000 Who's right?

02:06:09.000 Some people are very compelling, and they're wrong.

02:06:11.000 They have compelling arguments, but they're wrong. 1.00

02:06:14.000 And you get sucked into that, like shit. 1.00

02:06:16.000 And I don't trust anything. 1.00

02:06:17.000 I mean, whatever I'm told, I'm like, I'm thinking this is probably half the story.

02:06:23.000 And if I talk to someone on the other side, they'll have...

02:06:26.000 I mean, so many times...

02:06:28.000 I get some information.

02:06:29.000 A lot of people send me information or tell me things.

02:06:33.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm definitely not going to say this until I run it by the research department at my show.

02:06:40.000 And I have some pretty brilliant guys and women who just...

02:06:45.000 That's what they do. 0.99

02:06:46.000 They check shit out. 0.99

02:06:47.000 Do you ever have one that's like on the borderline where you're like, how much of this is real and how much of this is horseshit? 0.99

02:06:53.000 Yeah. 0.54

02:06:54.000 And you don't know what to do with it?

02:06:55.000 I still don't.

02:06:56.000 We just talked about the one with what's in the vaccine.

02:07:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:02.000 Polyethylene, whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

02:07:03.000 I don't know if that's real. 0.99

02:07:06.000 No.

02:07:06.000 Do we find out if that's real?

02:07:09.000 Did we ever find out if that stuff is actually in the vaccine?

02:07:12.000 Because Aaron Rodgers said that he was allergic to a thing.

02:07:15.000 We assumed it was that thing.

02:07:16.000 I don't think there's an ingredient list anywhere to find what's in the vaccine.

02:07:19.000 Oh, really?

02:07:20.000 I think we've looked before.

02:07:22.000 There should be, and I think there is.

02:07:23.000 I mean, I think they put one out.

02:07:25.000 I just don't know if I trust it.

02:07:26.000 Could you just Google, is that stuff in vaccines? 0.99

02:07:33.000 Whatever the fuck it's called. 0.98

02:07:34.000 Is that stuff. 0.99

02:07:35.000 That stuff.

02:07:36.000 That bad stuff.

02:07:37.000 Bad for some people.

02:07:38.000 That's the problem, too, right?

02:07:39.000 The biological variability of human beings, like things that will really fuck some people up, have zero effect on other people.

02:07:47.000 It's weird.

02:07:48.000 We're not the same thing.

02:07:50.000 It's like a one size fits all approach to medicine is just as crazy as clothes.

02:07:54.000 That's what I keep saying.

02:07:56.000 Like, I'm glad we have the vaccine.

02:07:58.000 Yes.

02:07:58.000 And it is appropriate for lots of people.

02:08:01.000 Agreed.

02:08:01.000 It's very necessary.

02:08:03.000 Recommended.

02:08:04.000 And it will stop you from dying.

02:08:06.000 But don't point to me or any particular person and say, well, you know, you have a different approach and you talk to different doctors.

02:08:19.000 And you have a different point of view.

02:08:21.000 This is the most personal thing in the world, is my own health. 0.98

02:08:24.000 What the fuck was that all about when we went through the, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. 0.94

02:08:29.000 Remember that? 0.99

02:08:30.000 It was the biggest political issue.

02:08:32.000 Obama was not completely honest about that.

02:08:35.000 It turned out to be only about 2% of the people who didn't get to keep their doctor.

02:08:39.000 But the whole point of, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, is I get to take the advice of my doctor.

02:08:47.000 I know doctors who are dissenting of opinion about everything that's going on with COVID. I want to keep my doctor.

02:08:54.000 And there's no point in keeping them unless I can listen to them.

02:08:58.000 I get my information from lots of different people.

02:09:01.000 And by the way, Dr. Google.

02:09:03.000 It's not an insult to doctors that there's Dr. Google.

02:09:07.000 They don't like it that there is someone who they can be checked against.

02:09:12.000 And of course, it's all how good a researcher you are.

02:09:15.000 I mean, I have a researcher who does nothing but medical research for me.

02:09:20.000 I feel like it's pennies on the dollar to pay for somebody to do that at my age.

02:09:24.000 That's such a baller move.

02:09:25.000 I have a medical researcher.

02:09:27.000 Right, it is.

02:09:28.000 That's a great move.

02:09:28.000 And a smart one.

02:09:29.000 That's a good move.

02:09:30.000 Pennies on the dollar.

02:09:31.000 Because what could be more valuable than...

02:09:34.000 Getting some of the research stuff and know exactly what you're saying.

02:09:37.000 Medical information.

02:09:38.000 And, of course, doctors themselves disagree.

02:09:40.000 That's why I have her doing it. 0.96

02:09:42.000 Because it's like sometimes I need...

02:09:44.000 Okay, you've got to referee this. 0.98

02:09:45.000 Because what do doctors always say when you have anything wrong with you that's more complicated than a fucking broken arm? 0.98

02:09:54.000 Get a second opinion. 0.98

02:09:55.000 Which tells you, A, it's an opinion...

02:09:58.000 It's not a fact.

02:09:59.000 It's an opinion.

02:10:00.000 We're all just guessing here.

02:10:02.000 And you need a second one.

02:10:03.000 And it hardly ever matches the first.

02:10:06.000 So they're all guessing.

02:10:08.000 There's definitely an element of guessing.

02:10:11.000 It's the major part of it, is guessing.

02:10:13.000 Especially with Lyme disease, you think that's just a guess?

02:10:17.000 They don't know how to fix it.

02:10:19.000 They don't know how to fix it, but they know one of the effective treatments for a lot of people is a heavy dose of antibiotics right away.

02:10:26.000 And the people that I know that have recovered, that That's what they've done.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:10:29.000 They know that.

02:10:30.000 That's not really helpful if you get it too late or you're one of those people who it doesn't work on.

02:10:37.000 And maybe it'll come back in 10 years.

02:10:38.000 And you don't know.

02:10:41.000 Antibiotics don't usually kill everything that they're supposed to kill.

02:10:44.000 They kill enough to keep your body able to keep it in check.

02:10:48.000 It's like the police don't kill every criminal.

02:10:51.000 They just...

02:10:54.000 It's not the purge.

02:10:56.000 You take antibiotics and whatever is in you that's not good, it'll kill it, usually.

02:11:04.000 I mean, it usually does it by competing with food.

02:11:07.000 That's why when you take antibiotics, you kill the good bacteria, the bad bacteria, and the fungus proliferate.

02:11:15.000 Because their food supply...

02:11:19.000 You know, you've helped them enormously.

02:11:21.000 But in 2022, it's the only way to deal with some diseases.

02:11:25.000 Like some ailments, you have to take it.

02:11:27.000 Of course.

02:11:28.000 I'm thrilled.

02:11:29.000 It's like the Steve Jobs thing we were talking about earlier.

02:11:31.000 It's very similar, right?

02:11:32.000 Believe me, one of the things I'm worried about is living in a post-antibiotic world because we are rapidly approaching that. 0.66

02:11:38.000 Right.

02:11:39.000 Because the antibiotics, because of overuse, don't work as much as they used to.

02:11:44.000 And the pharmaceutical companies don't put money into researching new ones because there's no money in it.

02:11:51.000 They don't want you on antibiotics because you take them for a week. 0.99

02:11:54.000 They want you on the shit that you have to take forever. 0.99

02:11:58.000 Do you really think it's a conspiracy to not develop good antibiotics? 0.99

02:12:02.000 It's not a conspiracy.

02:12:02.000 It's just where the bottom line is.

02:12:05.000 That's true, but if it becomes something that...

02:12:07.000 Do you know anybody who had MRSA? MRSA, yeah.

02:12:11.000 Sure.

02:12:12.000 It's a scary one, right?

02:12:13.000 Absolutely.

02:12:14.000 I have friends who are really young and healthy, and they got MRSA, and one of them was in the hospital for like a month.

02:12:18.000 It was very touch-and-go, very dangerous.

02:12:20.000 I'd be worried about it if I were you, because you're probably in locker rooms with other weightlifters, and isn't that where you get it, taking showers with other men? 0.91

02:12:28.000 I think people get it from a bunch of different kinds of infections, but sometimes they get it, unfortunately, in hospitals.

02:12:34.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:12:35.000 Sometimes they get it, and they might have actually had it on their skin.

02:12:38.000 But I think locker rooms are also a...

02:12:40.000 The staph infection is on your skin.

02:12:42.000 I think maybe locker rooms for staph, yeah, it's probably pretty common.

02:12:45.000 I know it's common in some jujitsu gyms.

02:12:47.000 Yeah.

02:12:48.000 I would never...

02:12:49.000 I've had it.

02:12:49.000 I've had staff.

02:12:50.000 Oh, you have?

02:12:51.000 I've had it twice.

02:12:52.000 Wow.

02:12:52.000 That's why I don't go to locker rooms or woods or moose farms.

02:12:57.000 I get it, man.

02:12:59.000 People that like jujitsu, they just accept it as part of the risk of doing it.

02:13:03.000 And what, you took antibiotics?

02:13:05.000 Yeah, I took antibiotics.

02:13:06.000 It was wild, though.

02:13:08.000 I didn't even know I had it.

02:13:09.000 I had shorts on, and my friend Tate looked over at my calf, and he's like, hey, what's going on with your calf?

02:13:14.000 And I go, what's going on with my calf?

02:13:16.000 And there's like these little red dots.

02:13:17.000 He goes, dude, get that looked at.

02:13:18.000 He goes, that looks like staph.

02:13:19.000 I go, really?

02:13:21.000 And he goes, yeah.

02:13:21.000 And I went right to the doctor.

02:13:23.000 The doctor goes, yup, that looks like staph.

02:13:25.000 I mean, it just looked like zits on my leg.

02:13:27.000 The doctor took a sample of it just in case, and then they were running the sample.

02:13:32.000 But she was 99% sure it was staph.

02:13:34.000 And so she immediately got me on a high dose of antibiotics.

02:13:38.000 And it killed it.

02:13:39.000 But it was a wild feeling while I was killing it. 0.64

02:13:42.000 I was like, whoa.

02:13:43.000 Like, those antibiotics will wreck you.

02:13:46.000 Or wreck me, at least. 1.00

02:13:47.000 I took it and I was like, holy shit. 0.99

02:13:49.000 Imagine being on this all the time? 0.99

02:13:51.000 Yes. 1.00

02:13:51.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

02:13:52.000 Oh, they can just really destroy you. 1.00

02:13:55.000 I felt so weak and tired.

02:13:57.000 I was just like, ugh.

02:13:59.000 I had no energy to do anything while my body is fighting off this stuff.

02:14:03.000 Well, it's right in the name.

02:14:04.000 Antibiotic.

02:14:05.000 Yeah.

02:14:05.000 And it's anti-life.

02:14:07.000 Right, right, right.

02:14:08.000 And again, not to keep coming back to the point that they don't know a hell of a lot, but I assume in the future they will have something better...

02:14:15.000 Than the general theory of, if there's something in you that's bad, we kill everything. 0.78

02:14:20.000 Torch the fields! 0.98

02:14:23.000 You know, just...

02:14:25.000 Well, it's interesting, those little, these things that they're developing, these sort of little nanobots, have you seen any of that stuff?

02:14:31.000 I've read about it, yeah.

02:14:32.000 That's really fascinating, because if they could get that to work, you could target individual problems.

02:14:38.000 They could target things, like maybe even target tumors.

02:14:41.000 Like, they could send it down to whatever that cancer tissue is. 0.80

02:14:46.000 I mean, they've been talking about that forever, and I'm sure they're working on it.

02:14:50.000 I'm sure people way smarter than us have devoted their lives, and I appreciate that.

02:14:56.000 But the bottom line is, we're still not there.

02:14:58.000 I mean, the bottom line is, If you get a cancer diagnosis, I mean, it's not an immediate death sentence, depending on where and what it is, and a lot of other different factors, but it's not good news.

02:15:10.000 It's not good news.

02:15:11.000 And it's not, I mean, it's not something that they can just say to you, oh, we know exactly why you got it, and we know exactly what to do to take it out completely.

02:15:21.000 That world we don't exist in yet.

02:15:23.000 And until we do...

02:15:25.000 Don't look at me with the just do what we say look.

02:15:29.000 You're just not there.

02:15:30.000 Is that where you draw the line?

02:15:31.000 Tumors?

02:15:33.000 I draw the line way before that.

02:15:37.000 Do you ever think we're going to live in a world with no diseases and no issues?

02:15:42.000 Or do you think it's just going to be an ease of fixing those things?

02:15:46.000 Have you thought about that, like through CRISPR and all these deep gene editing?

02:15:50.000 Well, I have 34 years before I'm 100. Wow, that's wild.

02:15:59.000 It's wild to say it that way.

02:16:01.000 That's wild.

02:16:03.000 People live to 100. It's actually more common than ever.

02:16:06.000 Some people would say it's actually the normal human lifespan because there are those blue zones in the world where there are sections of the world where people normally, I mean routinely, the whole community, that's about the average lifespan.

02:16:20.000 We probably live less because we have bad habits.

02:16:25.000 But if you live a healthy life, you probably can live to 100. So my thing is, okay, they got like 34 years to figure out mortality.

02:16:36.000 That's a long time.

02:16:38.000 Ray Kurzweil says the solidarity begins in like six years from now, 2028. He said when man and machine become fully integrated with each other, I think that's part of the solution.

02:16:51.000 You know, as long as they can keep your brain and your dick alive, I'm good. 0.99

02:16:56.000 The rest of it can all be replaced. 1.00

02:16:58.000 They can fucking tattoo it if they want. 0.99

02:17:00.000 I just want those parts that are wearing out, and the internal organs, of course, also. 0.99

02:17:05.000 I mean, you know.

02:17:07.000 They must be, you know, have a lot of mileage on them. 0.69

02:17:09.000 And of course, we all wonder if what we did as foolish youths is how much that's affecting us now. 0.86

02:17:17.000 I smoked for 20 years. 0.78

02:17:18.000 I mean, I'm sorry I did. 1.00

02:17:19.000 It was stupid. 0.97

02:17:21.000 I quit at 40. But is that going to come back and haunt me? 1.00

02:17:26.000 I think the good news about cigarette smoking and cancer is the risks are greatly diminished within a certain period of time after quitting.

02:17:36.000 It's one of those things where they say the way your body turns it around is actually pretty good as opposed to some different kinds of irritations.

02:17:45.000 If you could just quit in time...

02:17:47.000 Do you think smoking a joint is bad for us?

02:17:50.000 It's not as bad.

02:17:51.000 It's a different thing.

02:17:51.000 Of course it's not as bad, but do you think it's bad at all?

02:17:54.000 I mean, it's smoke in your lungs.

02:17:55.000 It is smoke in your lungs, but isn't the smoke of one thing very dissimilar to the smoke of another?

02:18:01.000 Like steam, people like steam, right?

02:18:05.000 They like a hot steam room, they like to breathe that in.

02:18:07.000 We don't think there's anything dangerous about that.

02:18:10.000 Cigarettes are very different than marijuana. 0.99

02:18:12.000 It's very different in the chemical profile, it's very different in the way it makes your body react, all the different shit in it. 0.97

02:18:17.000 I don't know a lot of people that have heavy lung problems with smoking joints, but I believe they're probably real. 0.96

02:18:25.000 But to compare them for whatever reason doesn't make any sense because the people that smoke cigarettes, a lot of them have problems.

02:18:32.000 Oh, of course.

02:18:32.000 It's like real common to hear about cancer.

02:18:35.000 There's like 200 different types of carcinogens in a cigarette.

02:18:37.000 It's all poison.

02:18:38.000 You don't hear about that from weed people.

02:18:40.000 No.

02:18:40.000 Like heavy weed smokers.

02:18:41.000 No, but you never know.

02:18:42.000 I mean, are we getting the butane?

02:18:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:18:45.000 I mean, there's lots of stuff that we...

02:18:46.000 It's not the best.

02:18:47.000 No.

02:18:47.000 No, it's not the best thing for you.

02:18:49.000 It's not health food.

02:18:51.000 I mean, I've had hippies try to tell me it's actually beneficial, that, oh, it's, you know, coning your lungs with the turpentines or terrapins or whatever.

02:19:00.000 I don't know.

02:19:00.000 Yeah, they say it's protective.

02:19:02.000 Todd McCormick would know the answer to that.

02:19:04.000 Yes.

02:19:05.000 My eyes glaze over whenever.

02:19:06.000 I've heard it a billion times, all the different things about pot.

02:19:09.000 Hippies go so hard for weed. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Oh, so hard.

02:19:12.000 And it's like, you know what?

02:19:13.000 Drug culture.

02:19:14.000 I'm not into the culture.

02:19:15.000 I just like the drugs, okay?

02:19:17.000 The culture I could live without.

02:19:19.000 Is that the case with almost everything?

02:19:21.000 The culture of the thing, sometimes people connect themselves to cultures of things.

02:19:26.000 Whether it's drug culture or whether it's political culture.

02:19:29.000 It's like people looking for...

02:19:32.000 Drug users love to play with drugs.

02:19:36.000 I mean, when you're into a certain drug, very often so much of your life revolves around with getting it, preparing it, relighting it, redoing it, re-something.

02:19:51.000 I must say, again, I'm kind of like patting myself on the back for my pot use in life.

02:19:58.000 But I used pot wisely.

02:20:00.000 Like, I wouldn't be where I am today.

02:20:03.000 I wouldn't be talking to Joe Rogan on the Joe Rogan Experience if it wasn't for marijuana.

02:20:07.000 I'd be probably selling shoes in New Jersey or something.

02:20:10.000 You know, I mean, I always, I try to get something out of it every time.

02:20:15.000 I smoke.

02:20:16.000 I don't just smoke and zone out and watch a movie.

02:20:19.000 I smoke and write something.

02:20:22.000 To me, it's a very productive experience.

02:20:26.000 So if it has taken away some of my health, I'm willing to accept that trade-off.

02:20:31.000 Whereas cigarettes did nothing but make me unhealthy.

02:20:34.000 They did nothing that made me better, smarter, Cooler, like you think you are when you're 20 and you first light a cigarette.

02:20:43.000 You think, oh, that's cool, and it's not. 1.00

02:20:45.000 It's just stupid. 1.00

02:20:46.000 And, of course, it's not easy to start a cigarette habit. 1.00

02:20:51.000 You have to really insist.

02:20:52.000 Your body, of course, hates it. 0.99

02:20:54.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

02:20:55.000 That's such a good point.

02:20:56.000 And you just have to, like, insist.

02:20:58.000 Same with liquor. 0.73

02:21:00.000 It's disgusting.

02:21:02.000 Even the best.

02:21:03.000 You have to make yourself get used to these cigarettes.

02:21:06.000 Coffee doesn't really taste good to a child.

02:21:10.000 Right?

02:21:11.000 It's so true. 0.84

02:21:13.000 There's so many things that are like that that you have to force yourself into enjoying.

02:21:16.000 Joe, I have to catch a plane.

02:21:18.000 Dude, you gotta catch a plane.

02:21:19.000 Listen, this has been a lot of fun, Bill.

02:21:22.000 So much fun.

02:21:22.000 I really enjoyed it very much.

02:21:24.000 The only reason I'm bowing out is because I'm...

02:21:26.000 Listen, it's an honor.

02:21:28.000 I'm very excited that you're in the podcast realm.

02:21:30.000 Thank you.

02:21:30.000 So tell people how to get yours.

02:21:32.000 Well, that's right. 1.00

02:21:33.000 I'm such a bad plugger of my own shit. 1.00

02:21:36.000 Club Random. 0.89

02:21:38.000 And hopefully you'll be in LA sometime and do it.

02:21:41.000 I would love to do it.

02:21:41.000 I'd love to do it.

02:21:42.000 We have an amazing time.

02:21:43.000 Yeah.

02:21:43.000 Just like we did today.

02:21:44.000 I'm sure.

02:21:45.000 I always enjoy talking to you, man.

02:21:46.000 Wait, wait.

02:21:47.000 What are you doing? 1.00

02:21:48.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:21:51.000 Let me get my plugs in. 1.00

02:21:53.000 This is it.

02:21:54.000 Oh, it's Club Random.

02:21:55.000 That's what it looks like.

02:21:56.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:21:57.000 There's my Club Random.

02:21:58.000 Look at you, bro. 0.99

02:21:59.000 It's like a fucking regular podcast studio that Red Band would design. 0.99

02:22:02.000 Yes. 0.99

02:22:02.000 Look, with the lights moving around. 0.99

02:22:04.000 That's a Red Band move.

02:22:04.000 It's a club.

02:22:06.000 That's nice.

02:22:07.000 Wherever you get podcasts, I mean, it's like...

02:22:11.000 Apple, Spotify.

02:22:12.000 Yes, right.

02:22:12.000 I don't know about...

02:22:13.000 Spotify owns your ass, but I don't... 1.00

02:22:16.000 I guess they are... 1.00

02:22:17.000 Are you on Spotify if they don't own...

02:22:19.000 Okay, so I guess you get it there.

02:22:20.000 I'm sure they uploaded your stuff to Spotify.

02:22:22.000 I'm sure they do.

02:22:23.000 It went to one on Apple the first week when we had Quentin Tarantino on.

02:22:29.000 But I also have a stand-up special on HBO that starts Friday.

02:22:34.000 I'm very excited about that called Adulting.

02:22:37.000 Will that also be on HBO Max?

02:22:40.000 Is that what the thing is?

02:22:41.000 I'm sure.

02:22:42.000 It used to be Plus and now it's Max?

02:22:43.000 I think that's right, yes.

02:22:45.000 Something like that.

02:22:46.000 The HBO app, whatever it is.

02:22:48.000 Does he look like Alec Baldwin?

02:22:50.000 No, not at all.

02:22:51.000 You got way too high.

02:22:54.000 He looks like a young Alec Baldwin.

02:22:57.000 Jamie, put a camera on yourself.

02:22:59.000 I don't trust him. 1.00

02:23:00.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:23:02.000 I don't think so. 1.00

02:23:04.000 I'm the first guy to say that.

02:23:06.000 You're too high.

02:23:07.000 We're going to have to end this for your own good.

02:23:09.000 We've already said a bunch of nonsense, ladies and gentlemen.

02:23:12.000 Congratulations on being the king, Joe.

02:23:14.000 Thank you, sir.

02:23:15.000 Everyone's gunning for you, but we'll never get there.

02:23:19.000 Well, thanks for coming on.

02:23:20.000 Ah, pleasure.

02:23:21.000 And good luck with your podcast.

02:23:22.000 Thank you.

02:23:22.000 I'm looking forward to being on it.

02:23:23.000 Appreciate it.

02:23:24.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 12, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1804 - Bill Maher

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