The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1830 - Meghan Murphy

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00:00:13.000 Hello, Megan.

00:00:14.000 Hi.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:15.000 Good to see you.

00:00:16.000 Good to see you also.

00:00:17.000 What's crack-a-lackin'?

00:00:19.000 Um, well...

00:00:20.000 Welcome to America.

00:00:20.000 Are you ready to get wasted?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, you and this fucking... 1.00

00:00:23.000 You and this fucking vile beverage that you bring... 1.00

00:00:28.000 I brought... 1.00

00:00:29.000 Lord.

00:00:30.000 I was like, Joe is going to actually be mad when he sees what I brought.

00:00:34.000 Explain to people what this is.

00:00:35.000 Okay.

00:00:36.000 I brought Raycia.

00:00:39.000 Joe Rogan, this man right here, he talks about Raycia.

00:00:42.000 I talk about it.

00:00:43.000 He gave it to me.

00:00:45.000 All the time!

00:00:45.000 I serve it to people.

00:00:47.000 You never stop bitching about Raycia. 0.63

00:00:48.000 Well, I give it to people, and every time I give it to people, they're like, Jesus!

00:00:53.000 I don't know.

00:00:54.000 It's one of the rare alcohols that we've had in studio that we haven't burned through.

00:00:59.000 Yeah, and I noticed you didn't give it to Snoop.

00:01:01.000 No.

00:01:02.000 The squandered opportunity.

00:01:03.000 I was like, you're like, you don't want that.

00:01:06.000 I don't think Snoop wants that.

00:01:07.000 Maybe he doesn't want that.

00:01:08.000 I can't take a chance with Snoop.

00:01:10.000 Okay, so Bricea is moonshine from the state of Jalisco, which is where I live in Mexico.

00:01:16.000 And it's similar to Mezcal, so it comes from the agave plant.

00:01:19.000 And that is the end of my explanation, because after that I am confused.

00:01:24.000 So.

00:01:25.000 I don't know why you like it.

00:01:26.000 I don't know why either.

00:01:28.000 I don't love most booze.

00:01:32.000 Really?

00:01:33.000 I love drinking.

00:01:34.000 But I love whiskey, I love scotch, I love where I see it.

00:01:38.000 So you like strong stuff.

00:01:39.000 I don't like tequila, I don't like vodka, I don't like rum.

00:01:42.000 Yeah, you're a strong drinker.

00:01:44.000 Well, obviously.

00:01:45.000 If you like Ricea, you're a strong drinker.

00:01:48.000 You like stuff you feel.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 But, I mean, I can't explain it.

00:01:53.000 Like, I can't explain why I don't like tequila, but I like Ricea, which everybody else hates.

00:01:59.000 Okay, thank you. 0.99

00:01:59.000 You don't have to explain shit. 0.99

00:02:00.000 You're like, Megan, just do you. 1.00

00:02:01.000 You live your life.

00:02:02.000 You do you, girl.

00:02:03.000 You like what you like.

00:02:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:05.000 Okay, so what I brought...

00:02:07.000 This is actual moonshine.

00:02:09.000 It didn't come in this bottle.

00:02:11.000 My friend put it in this bottle for me.

00:02:13.000 But she actually bought it from on the top of a mountain in Yalapa from a guy.

00:02:18.000 Have you tested it yet?

00:02:20.000 I've tried it.

00:02:21.000 So it's okay?

00:02:22.000 No.

00:02:24.000 No?

00:02:24.000 It's not going to kill you.

00:02:26.000 Yeah, I mean, does it kill you?

00:02:27.000 No, no, no.

00:02:28.000 It's good.

00:02:28.000 I mean, they've been making this stuff for centuries.

00:02:31.000 So they put in that bottle.

00:02:32.000 Did you put the label?

00:02:33.000 They sell it out of two liter Coke bottles.

00:02:37.000 I feel like that's the one we should try.

00:02:39.000 This came out of a two liter Coke bottle.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, we have to try it.

00:02:42.000 We should definitely try that one.

00:02:43.000 That's the one we've got to try.

00:02:44.000 I want to look at your face.

00:02:45.000 Okay.

00:02:46.000 Are we putting it in mugs?

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:47.000 Why not?

00:02:48.000 I mean, fuck it. 1.00

00:02:48.000 This is not formal. 1.00

00:02:50.000 No, we're not in these coffee mugs here because I'm probably gonna pour coffee in it later.

00:02:55.000 Dude, you're gonna hate this.

00:02:57.000 I promise.

00:02:58.000 And then after I'm gonna give you some that you might actually like and if you don't like it then I give up on you forever.

00:03:03.000 Oh no.

00:03:05.000 I'm a whiskey guy.

00:03:06.000 Then we're not friends anymore.

00:03:08.000 I love whiskey too.

00:03:09.000 Buffalo trays. 1.00

00:03:10.000 That's my kind of shit. 1.00

00:03:11.000 Okay. 1.00

00:03:11.000 Cheers my friend. 1.00

00:03:12.000 Cheers.

00:03:12.000 Nice to see you again.

00:03:13.000 Very good to see you.

00:03:14.000 Okay.

00:03:22.000 I just got ricey all over my face.

00:03:24.000 That's what happens when you drink out of mugs. 1.00

00:03:27.000 That tastes like it came from a fucking coke bottle. 0.99

00:03:30.000 Do you like it at all? 1.00

00:03:31.000 Like, I don't know.

00:03:32.000 I kind of like it.

00:03:34.000 Obviously.

00:03:37.000 You're like, I mean, let me tell you.

00:03:43.000 Well, Megan, you're a strong cup of coffee as a human, you know, and it makes sense that you would like a strong beverage.

00:03:50.000 Okay, thank you.

00:03:51.000 That actually makes sense.

00:03:53.000 I appreciate that.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:03:54.000 You know, it fits you.

00:03:57.000 And this is like, it's either 47 or 48 proof.

00:04:01.000 And the way that they test the proof... 0.99

00:04:03.000 They ain't testing shit. 0.99

00:04:04.000 ...is by... 0.99

00:04:05.000 She showed me a video.

00:04:06.000 My friend showed me a video.

00:04:07.000 And the guy who was making it put it in this little thing and then blew bubbles with a straw.

00:04:13.000 And then he looks at the bubbles.

00:04:15.000 Like, he looks at the size of the bubbles and sees, like, how fast they pop.

00:04:19.000 And that's how, you know...

00:04:21.000 Oh, super accurate.

00:04:24.000 Does he snake charm as well? 1.00

00:04:26.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:04:29.000 This one I bought from the bar across the street from my house because I really loved it. 1.00

00:04:35.000 I was like, this is so good.

00:04:37.000 And I couldn't find it anywhere.

00:04:39.000 I couldn't buy it anywhere.

00:04:41.000 So is that a popular beverage with Mexicans or is it a popular beverage with the expats?

00:04:48.000 More like Mexicans. 1.00

00:04:49.000 Like for example...

00:04:50.000 This is beautiful.

00:04:51.000 Yeah, this one is beautiful.

00:04:52.000 I love the little...

00:04:53.000 This one actually to me tastes more like a mezcal.

00:04:56.000 Do you like mezcal?

00:04:57.000 Yeah, I do.

00:04:57.000 Like this one is smokier.

00:05:00.000 So you might like this one.

00:05:02.000 But I also like the bottle a lot.

00:05:04.000 I like how the bottle comes with that little necklace.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:07.000 You can wear that if you want.

00:05:08.000 No.

00:05:09.000 It's not my style.

00:05:10.000 But it is Pride Month. 0.81

00:05:12.000 It would fit for Pride Month. 1.00

00:05:13.000 Perfect.

00:05:13.000 Yeah.

00:05:14.000 You can represent your LGBTQ allies or whatever.

00:05:20.000 Or leprechauns.

00:05:21.000 Or leprechauns, yeah.

00:05:23.000 Whatever.

00:05:25.000 But yeah, like, I mean, Mexicans, this kind of stuff, they only sell to locals. 1.00

00:05:30.000 Like, they don't sell this in stores.

00:05:32.000 They sell it to the locals who live in that area.

00:05:34.000 So yeah, Mexicans like it.

00:05:36.000 I mean, some Mexicans. 0.98

00:05:38.000 Most people that I know think I'm a crazy person also. 0.72

00:05:41.000 Like, in Mexico, they're like...

00:05:44.000 You're the only person who buys this, Megan.

00:05:47.000 You burn through all of our ricea and nobody else buys ricea.

00:05:52.000 Is that mostly what you drink down there?

00:05:54.000 Yeah.

00:05:55.000 Wow.

00:05:56.000 I drink red wine with dinner or at home, but if I go out, I drink ricea.

00:06:01.000 Can you get that?

00:06:02.000 Have you ever tried to get a bar in the States?

00:06:04.000 Have you ever gone to Austin and asked for ricea?

00:06:06.000 No.

00:06:07.000 I don't think they would know what that is.

00:06:10.000 Maybe I'll try.

00:06:11.000 Try it tonight.

00:06:12.000 Give it a shot.

00:06:13.000 Okay.

00:06:14.000 I'm going to try not to get too wasted tonight because I have an event tomorrow.

00:06:18.000 Oh, what's your event?

00:06:19.000 It's called Women Leaving the Left. 1.00

00:06:21.000 Wow.

00:06:23.000 It's a panel of women, females, adult human females, and it's at the Austin Central Library on West Cesar Chavez.

00:06:36.000 Did I say that right?

00:06:37.000 Yeah.

00:06:37.000 Yeah, 710. And it's basically like, I've been writing a lot lately about, sorry, I'm just gonna launch into my spiel or whatever.

00:06:46.000 I've been writing a lot lately about my political transformation, I suppose you could call it.

00:06:53.000 I mean, I was super left-wing for my whole life.

00:06:58.000 From when I was a kid, I grew up in a Marxist household.

00:07:03.000 So I was a socialist and a feminist my whole life.

00:07:08.000 Until maybe, I don't know, two or three years ago I started feeling like I wasn't super into the labels anymore.

00:07:17.000 And definitely started feeling...

00:07:21.000 Becoming very critical of the left and not just the way the left had treated me, which has been abhorrent.

00:07:32.000 But ideologically, I think that there's problems.

00:07:37.000 What specifically bothers you?

00:07:40.000 Well, I mean, I guess, so part of the thing that happened was that I realized that attaching yourself to any movement and any ideology limits critical thought and independent thought, you get trapped into this box and the people that you're allied with in these movements also trap you into that box.

00:08:04.000 And I am a writer.

00:08:07.000 And that's, you know, I'm a thinker.

00:08:10.000 You know, like, I want to learn.

00:08:12.000 I want to know.

00:08:13.000 And I want the freedom to change my mind about things.

00:08:19.000 I want the freedom to explore new ideas and I want the freedom to talk to, you know, I also do podcasts and I want to be able to, part of the reason I do it is because it's interesting, like it's a great way to learn.

00:08:30.000 I'm sure you know that, right?

00:08:31.000 Yeah, sure.

00:08:32.000 I've learned so much just from the opportunity to talk to so many different kinds of people and ask them questions about things that I don't know about.

00:08:42.000 It's an amazing resource.

00:08:43.000 It's amazing.

00:08:44.000 Running a podcast and being able to have conversations with people has changed who I am.

00:08:48.000 I mean, if you go back 12 years ago to when I started the podcast, what I know and the way I talk and the way I think about things, it's very different.

00:08:57.000 Yeah.

00:08:58.000 Yeah.

00:08:58.000 And I'm sure that that played like a large role in my changing my mind about all sorts of things.

00:09:07.000 Right.

00:09:07.000 Because you're exposed to new ideas and different perspectives and people who come from different backgrounds.

00:09:13.000 And I mean, I just feel like so many people on the left and so many people in feminism are siloed.

00:09:24.000 And that is probably true about the right to a certain extent.

00:09:27.000 It's just that I'm much less familiar with the right because I've never been involved with the right before.

00:09:33.000 But I feel like on the left and in feminism We're good to go. 0.99

00:09:54.000 Also, I was like, okay, I feel like I'm just repeating myself now.

00:09:57.000 So I'm not even thinking critically about what I'm saying.

00:10:00.000 I already know the analysis.

00:10:02.000 I already know the mantra.

00:10:04.000 I know what my response is supposed to be.

00:10:06.000 I know what words I'm supposed to plug in.

00:10:09.000 Patriarchy, capitalism, intersectionality.

00:10:13.000 I never got fully into that nonsense.

00:10:22.000 I really have been treated very badly by the left and by feminists.

00:10:28.000 When you say that though, don't you think it's just specific people that are attached to an ideology?

00:10:36.000 It's not like people that are left-wing people have treated you badly.

00:10:40.000 It's very specific kind of people that decide that you are venturing away from the ideological boundaries.

00:10:48.000 It's partly that, but I think that is connected to left-wing politics and left-wing ideology.

00:10:55.000 At least now.

00:10:56.000 Maybe that wasn't true in the 70s.

00:10:58.000 But left-wing thoughts, right?

00:10:59.000 This is the thing that I have a problem with, with all this stuff.

00:11:02.000 It's like...

00:11:03.000 I'm very open-minded and very liberal when it comes to gay rights, women's rights, civil rights.

00:11:10.000 You know, even things that I'm still on the fence about now, like universal basic income.

00:11:15.000 Boy, I was all in until the pandemic.

00:11:17.000 And then watching the way people behaved when they got a hold of a lot of unemployment and the money from the government, the COVID relief money, and they didn't want to work anymore.

00:11:27.000 I was like, ooh.

00:11:29.000 I know it's not a lot of people.

00:11:32.000 It's not like all the people react in the exact same way.

00:11:35.000 But I have friends that own businesses and they couldn't get people to work for them.

00:11:39.000 I have a friend who owns a restaurant and he couldn't get a bartender.

00:11:43.000 The bartender would only work for $20 an hour, or excuse me, for 20 hours a week so that he could get unemployment. 0.99

00:11:50.000 And he was like, what the fuck, man? 0.98

00:11:52.000 Yeah, I mean, but I think that's partly... 0.99

00:11:56.000 I mean, yeah, that's true.

00:11:58.000 But I think that's partly, like, baked into left-wing ideology nowadays because there's this, like, opposition to...

00:12:10.000 You know, independence, there's an opposition to trying to better yourself as an individual person.

00:12:15.000 There's an opposition to individualism because you're supposed to blame the system.

00:12:20.000 You're supposed to blame capitalism, racism, patriarchy, you know, and then all the myriad of phobias, transphobia, fatphobia.

00:12:29.000 And so the solution is not to change you.

00:12:32.000 It's not your fault.

00:12:33.000 It's their fault because they're phobic or the system's trying to keep you down.

00:12:38.000 So I think that not wanting to work anymore is like, well, why should I? I don't have to.

00:12:44.000 They don't realize that it's good for your mental health to work.

00:12:48.000 It's not good for your mental health to sit around in your apartment on Netflix or on Zoom or on social media or on dating apps or looking at porn all day.

00:12:58.000 Well, the thing is, it's not good to not be self-sustaining, is my thought.

00:13:03.000 I think there's an issue.

00:13:04.000 I think for many people, you get unemployment and you use that unemployment to try to find another job and to sustain yourself, and it's great.

00:13:12.000 But for some people, there is a general human tendency to, when you're offered a break, to take that break.

00:13:20.000 You know, when you're offered money to do nothing, to do nothing, and you'll do nothing.

00:13:26.000 I think my thoughts about universal basic income were, and this is what I liked about it, I liked the idea of giving a person an opportunity where, like, we pay for so many things.

00:13:37.000 We just sent 40 billion dollars to Ukraine, right?

00:13:40.000 Why can't we figure out a way to give people enough money to sustain themselves so that they could actually pursue their interests?

00:13:48.000 And do what they want to do.

00:13:49.000 And I think that would make for a stronger world, a stronger economy, a stronger community of people, and happier, healthier people.

00:13:56.000 That was my thought.

00:13:56.000 But then when I saw how people reacted with the government money from COVID relief and from unemployment, I was thinking, man, I don't know.

00:14:09.000 There's a lot of people that aren't going to react the right way.

00:14:11.000 And what they're going to do is they're going to take an easy way out and they're going to lay around. 0.97

00:14:15.000 And that sucks. 0.89

00:14:16.000 If you give people an opportunity to be lazy, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be lazy. 0.98

00:14:23.000 And the problem is if you oppose that, if you oppose that relief, then people say you're cruel and you're not looking out for the working people. 0.99

00:14:33.000 First of all, I hate those fucking categories like working people. 1.00

00:14:37.000 Goddammit, everybody's working. 1.00

00:14:38.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:14:40.000 It's not a working people issue. 1.00

00:14:41.000 We're all working.

00:14:42.000 Everyone's doing something, right?

00:14:44.000 Or you're not.

00:14:45.000 And if you're not, that is the problem.

00:14:47.000 The problem is when people don't want to do anything.

00:14:49.000 Because that is a general instinct that people have towards laziness. 0.97

00:14:53.000 And the problem, I think, with whether it's universal basic income or any other social safety nets, which I very much support for the most part, is that some people, it's not everybody, but some people have a tendency to just be fucking lazy. 0.95

00:15:07.000 Yes.

00:15:07.000 And again, this is attached to, I think, leftist ideology, because I think what I've realized of late is that leftist ideology is about idealism.

00:15:22.000 Like, it's like, we want to create this world, and this is the way the world should be.

00:15:27.000 But in reality, that world doesn't exist, and people don't work like that.

00:15:32.000 Like, what they want.

00:15:33.000 And I'm saying this as somebody who believed these things.

00:15:39.000 People get really mad at me.

00:15:40.000 People are mad at me all the time.

00:15:42.000 Nothing new.

00:15:43.000 But, you know, people, when I start criticizing the left, people get angry at me.

00:15:48.000 First of all, because people, I think, like to categorize people and box them in.

00:15:52.000 And when they start moving outside of the box, they get angry and confused and frustrated.

00:15:57.000 And so they'll just want to write you off or hate you or call me right wing or whatever.

00:16:01.000 But, you know, I was a leftist, and I thought like these people, and I thought that it was right.

00:16:07.000 And the reason that I was a leftist is because I care about people.

00:16:11.000 It's not because I'm an evil communist.

00:16:13.000 Like, the right is very bad at writing people off, too.

00:16:16.000 It's like, all these communists.

00:16:18.000 It's like, these people don't even really know what communism is.

00:16:21.000 I'm sure they've never read Marx, for the most part.

00:16:24.000 But, you know, I didn't want people to be poor.

00:16:27.000 I didn't want people to not have housing and food and access to healthcare and education.

00:16:33.000 I wanted things to be more equal and just.

00:16:36.000 That's why I was a leftist.

00:16:37.000 But the solution was an idea.

00:16:40.000 You know, like if we create this kind of society, then we'll all live in happy communities And everybody will work and nobody will slack off and like there'll be no exploitation and like rape will disappear and oppression will disappear.

00:16:56.000 And that's not what happens in the real world.

00:16:58.000 That's not what's happened in places that have implemented communist regimes.

00:17:02.000 No.

00:17:05.000 I don't think that it's good to base a movement on idealism and ideas that are not rooted in material reality.

00:17:13.000 The argument is always that socialism has never been implemented correctly.

00:17:18.000 This sort of utopian idea of what a real, genuine, compassionate socialist community could look like.

00:17:27.000 That's never really been done correctly.

00:17:30.000 But do you think it's a human nature issue?

00:17:33.000 The idea of socialism is great on a surface level if you're thinking about people that work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute.

00:17:45.000 I think you could have a socialist community of very driven, disciplined people where they share.

00:17:52.000 They share things.

00:17:53.000 We have some socialist things, right?

00:17:56.000 Like the fire department is an excellent example of socialism.

00:18:00.000 Because we pay in to this thing that supports these people who put out fires.

00:18:06.000 And nobody complains about it.

00:18:08.000 It's a normal thing.

00:18:09.000 It's something that we contribute to.

00:18:11.000 It's like a fund.

00:18:12.000 And that fund puts out fires.

00:18:14.000 And it puts out fires based on your tax dollars that you put into it.

00:18:19.000 And you don't want a society where if you don't have money, they don't put the fire out, right?

00:18:25.000 But some people would argue that that's where it ends.

00:18:29.000 Like you shouldn't have that and extend that to education.

00:18:32.000 You shouldn't have that and extend that to healthcare.

00:18:36.000 I think that's where socialism could work.

00:18:41.000 And I don't mean socialism like across the board.

00:18:43.000 I mean socialist ideas.

00:18:45.000 I think the idea of A universal healthcare system where everyone is covered and you never have to worry about anything bankrupting you because you broke a leg or you hurt your back, that you're taken care of and that we all contribute to that. 0.93

00:19:03.000 And again, if we can give $40 billion to Ukraine, why the fuck can't we do that?

00:19:07.000 We can do that. 0.72

00:19:08.000 That's totally possible.

00:19:09.000 The education system.

00:19:10.000 The idea that you have to be in debt.

00:19:13.000 I was reading a story the other day about this woman who's $250,000 in debt. 0.99

00:19:17.000 From student loans.

00:19:19.000 And she took out $150,000.

00:19:21.000 So over the course of the interest that's accumulated, she's got $100,000 more in interest. 0.99

00:19:28.000 I'm like, what the fuck is that? 0.98

00:19:30.000 And you can't get rid of that. 1.00

00:19:32.000 It's fucked. 1.00

00:19:33.000 Tell me about it. 1.00

00:19:34.000 I support public health care still.

00:19:38.000 I do think that it is imperative that people have access to health care.

00:19:44.000 And I think the health care system in America...

00:19:47.000 It's horrible because I think the aspect of it that's horrible is that people can go into insane amounts of debt because they got sick or hurt.

00:19:57.000 Like, that's not okay to me.

00:19:59.000 It's not okay.

00:20:00.000 And student loan debt, like, you're right.

00:20:02.000 Like, you get...

00:20:04.000 An amount of debt that you can't afford to pay off with the job that you've gotten from going to university, and then they're charging you all this interest, so it makes it doubly impossible to pay it off, and it's like a trap.

00:20:16.000 And you can't get out of it.

00:20:17.000 No!

00:20:18.000 You can't declare bankruptcy on it anymore.

00:20:21.000 You used to be able to.

00:20:22.000 You could sell some horrible medication that kills people, get sued for it, lose all your money, go bankrupt.

00:20:29.000 And you're good.

00:20:31.000 It'll absolve you of your debts.

00:20:33.000 But that's one of the rare forms of debt that you cannot escape.

00:20:37.000 Which is crazy because you're giving it to 18-year-olds. 0.96

00:20:41.000 You have an 18-year-old who doesn't have a fully formed brain. 0.68

00:20:44.000 I want the money.

00:20:45.000 But also, I couldn't afford to go to school full-time.

00:20:49.000 I could not.

00:20:51.000 For my whole life...

00:20:53.000 Until I was able to, you know, make a living off of what I'm doing now, which took a lot of work and me working for free for many, many years.

00:21:01.000 I had like three jobs all through university.

00:21:04.000 Like I was always working full time and you're trying to complete a degree and they make that impossible too.

00:21:10.000 You can't complete a degree now.

00:21:12.000 Part-time.

00:21:13.000 At least I couldn't in Canada because I couldn't take classes and, like, I couldn't finish a degree only by taking night classes.

00:21:19.000 It's impossible.

00:21:20.000 So eventually you have to quit your job and you have to go into debt.

00:21:23.000 Like, people who are critical of...

00:21:28.000 Students who rack up a ton of student loan debt and can't pay it off don't seem to understand.

00:21:33.000 They're like, why don't you get a summer job and save money over the summer?

00:21:36.000 And I was like, I don't live in my parents' house.

00:21:39.000 When I was 18, my parents moved to the States.

00:21:42.000 I have to pay rent.

00:21:44.000 My parents aren't paying for my life for me.

00:21:47.000 I don't have any money to save.

00:21:49.000 Sometimes I don't have enough money to get on the bus and I have to walk to work.

00:21:53.000 This is when I was 19, 20. I was broke.

00:21:57.000 Most of my life.

00:21:59.000 I wasn't poor.

00:22:00.000 I don't want to be like, woe is me.

00:22:02.000 I always had a house and something to fall back on.

00:22:05.000 I was never going to be homeless.

00:22:07.000 It wasn't like I couldn't eat.

00:22:08.000 But there was no saving money.

00:22:10.000 I did not have thousands of dollars to pay tuition.

00:22:14.000 I had to take out student loan debt.

00:22:16.000 I had no choice.

00:22:17.000 Right.

00:22:18.000 Do you think that there's a certain amount of struggle like that, that is not just good for you, but necessary in order to steal your discipline and create a person who can overcome adversity?

00:22:35.000 If everything is handed to you, this is the argument that the right will use, right?

00:22:40.000 That if you make things too easy, if you give people free education, if you give people free healthcare, that they're going to become soft and we need a resilient, tough country that works hard and the way you get people to work hard is you force them to.

00:22:54.000 Because that's the only way that people are going to do it.

00:22:58.000 I think it's true in some ways.

00:22:59.000 I mean, I think that struggle is imperative and important.

00:23:03.000 I think that you need pain to experience and understand pleasure.

00:23:09.000 I think if there's just everything is easy for you, I think you get really depressed.

00:23:15.000 Like, you need to work hard and you have to know what it means to, like, suffer and feel pain and to, like, be bad at things and to, like, get better at things.

00:23:24.000 Yeah.

00:23:24.000 I know I don't need to tell you this, but, like...

00:23:27.000 I mean, what I experienced was useful to me in the long term, I think, because I understand, like, I understand real life.

00:23:41.000 I understand why people go into debt.

00:23:45.000 I understand how hard it is for people who are poor and working class To get out of that.

00:23:52.000 Like, what a lot of people on the right don't understand is that class still is a real thing in North America.

00:24:00.000 It's not as overt or as visible or as extreme as it is in third world countries.

00:24:08.000 But it's still real.

00:24:11.000 I mean, if you are born poor and working class, it's not that it's impossible to get out of it.

00:24:16.000 You can, and lots of people do, and that's incredible.

00:24:19.000 But you're challenged in so many different ways, mentally and in terms of systemic barriers, you know, being able to get a degree, for example, and having the kind of credit that you need to take out loans to,

00:24:36.000 you know, buy property, get a house, so on and so forth.

00:24:38.000 But there's like a mental barrier that I experienced because I thought, I'm working class.

00:24:45.000 I'm always going to be working class. 0.98

00:24:47.000 I don't understand money.

00:24:48.000 I don't understand capitalism.

00:24:50.000 I think this is partly to do with my politics also, I'll say that.

00:24:54.000 Like, I don't know...

00:24:56.000 I don't know how to make money.

00:24:58.000 I don't know how to save money.

00:24:59.000 I don't have, like, business sense.

00:25:01.000 And I was...

00:25:02.000 I limited myself in that way.

00:25:05.000 Because I just thought...

00:25:06.000 I was like, I'm never going to be able to own property.

00:25:07.000 Like, I'm never going to be able to afford to buy a house.

00:25:09.000 So whatever.

00:25:11.000 Like, so I'm just going to...

00:25:13.000 Work at, you know, making $50,000 a year and pay my rent and that's the end of that.

00:25:20.000 And I think that people who come from money see money as an option.

00:25:26.000 It's accessible to them.

00:25:28.000 So I think that they might work harder to make more money and to, you know, invest and to save and to...

00:25:35.000 Well, they also have examples of people who've done it, so they can see it happening.

00:25:40.000 And they see a path, too.

00:25:42.000 If you have an uncle that started a business and became successful, you go, oh, I see how to do it.

00:25:45.000 I mean, and I knew when I was a kid, I knew when I was a teenager, and this is still true now, that a lot of people who own houses and properties, that's because they had family money.

00:25:54.000 You know, their parents put their down payment down for them.

00:25:57.000 So if you don't have that, I don't have that.

00:25:59.000 So I was like, how am I, like, what, am I going to save up $30,000, like, for a down payment?

00:26:04.000 Yeah, the term working class, one of the things that bugs me about it is it's one of those things that gets used often as a cheap political ploy.

00:26:15.000 Like, we're here for the working class.

00:26:17.000 And then people, you need to support the working class.

00:26:20.000 That's what drives me nuts about it, because it's this weird sort of categorization of people.

00:26:25.000 Because it does classify people in almost an inescapable little tomb.

00:26:30.000 You're the working class. 1.00

00:26:31.000 You're part of the working class. 1.00

00:26:33.000 What the fuck does that even mean? 0.97

00:26:35.000 Like, are you talking about people that are struggling to pay their bills? 0.98

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:39.000 Well, that's the majority of people.

00:26:40.000 That's the majority of people.

00:26:41.000 And oftentimes, what we consider not the working class, people are such knuckleheads that if they make $400,000 a year, they spend $399, you know, and they become the working class. 0.98

00:26:53.000 They have a lot of other stuff that they have to pay for. 0.80

00:26:55.000 You just called me a knucklehead. 0.91

00:26:56.000 Is that you?

00:26:57.000 I mean, I didn't make that much money, but... 0.99

00:26:59.000 I'm like, oh shit, there's money in my bank account. 0.95

00:27:01.000 But you know what I'm saying? 0.98

00:27:03.000 The thing about the idea of the working class is that people are struggling.

00:27:08.000 And I totally get that.

00:27:10.000 I totally understand that.

00:27:11.000 And I do think that we need to protect those people.

00:27:14.000 That's why I'm in favor of universal basic healthcare, of universal healthcare.

00:27:19.000 And that's why I'm in favor of social safety nets.

00:27:23.000 That's why I'm in favor of...

00:27:25.000 Community programs and making things more accessible to people.

00:27:30.000 And definitely I'm in favor of at least reducing the burden of the cost of education in a massive way.

00:27:37.000 Maybe lift the barrier to entry to education.

00:27:42.000 Make it harder to get in in terms of the output that you have to put forward.

00:27:47.000 Make it difficult to get in.

00:27:48.000 But make it so that when you get in, once you're in there, You know, there's going to be community colleges that you can go to.

00:27:55.000 There's going to be places you can go to if you're not going to be able to make it to a university.

00:27:58.000 But the idea that you should be $150,000 in debt and that it's $200,000 after years and years of interest accumulating is crazy.

00:28:09.000 And you can't get out of it.

00:28:10.000 That's crazy.

00:28:11.000 That's a sick industry. 1.00

00:28:13.000 It's a sick industry and it captures so many fucking people. 1.00

00:28:18.000 It really does. 1.00

00:28:19.000 It's crippling.

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:20.000 And I totally agree with you.

00:28:22.000 I support all of those things too.

00:28:24.000 So it makes you a lefty.

00:28:26.000 See what I'm saying?

00:28:27.000 Well, I mean, I think part of this, again, is that I don't want to categorize myself as anything because then you get stuck in these boxes and it's like, well, you're a leftist, so you have to support Black Lives Matter.

00:28:42.000 You're a leftist, so you have to believe women. 1.00

00:28:46.000 You're a leftist, so you have to, you know, want to open the borders.

00:28:50.000 You want to abolish the police.

00:28:52.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:28:53.000 That's what I don't want.

00:28:54.000 And I don't want to be trapped in any category or ideology.

00:28:59.000 I support practical ways to help people.

00:29:03.000 So if these policies work to help people, then I support them.

00:29:07.000 If there's different policies that are categorized as right wing that help people, that are better, that are more effective, then I'll support those policies.

00:29:15.000 That's what I mean.

00:29:16.000 And also, you know, what the left has become is totally different than what the left used to be.

00:29:23.000 I don't believe that the left supports the working class or cares about the working class.

00:29:27.000 I think that the left is caught up in...

00:29:30.000 I think that the left consists of middle and upper class people who don't know any poor people, who don't know any marginalized people, who don't know working class people, who don't know...

00:29:45.000 As these groups and categories that exist in their head.

00:29:48.000 And I say this because I'm from Vancouver.

00:29:51.000 I lived in Vancouver my entire life.

00:29:53.000 And Vancouver is a very left wing place.

00:29:55.000 All of my friends were left wing.

00:29:57.000 I didn't have a single right wing friend.

00:30:00.000 I didn't know any right wing people.

00:30:02.000 I barely even knew like any religious people.

00:30:04.000 I knew a whole bunch of people who were like me.

00:30:07.000 Do you have right wing friends now?

00:30:09.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:30:12.000 I've met basically since I was kicked off Twitter.

00:30:17.000 That was a blessing in disguise in some ways.

00:30:20.000 For people who don't know you, for people who didn't listen to the other episode.

00:30:26.000 I met Megan because I was outraged and I brought up your case in the conversation with Jack Dorsey.

00:30:34.000 I brought it up multiple times in the podcast because you were kicked off Twitter for life for saying a man can never be a woman, which is madness.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:46.000 Men aren't women is what I said. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Apparently men are allowed to say that.

00:30:50.000 Matt Walsh is allowed to say that.

00:30:51.000 I'm not allowed to say that.

00:30:52.000 What do you mean?

00:30:53.000 Like, after I got kicked off of Twitter, I saw right-wing men on Twitter saying the same things that I've said.

00:31:00.000 Then they weren't kicked off of Twitter.

00:31:02.000 And I think that's because...

00:31:03.000 Were you in a conversation with a trans person when you said that?

00:31:07.000 Not that I'm aware of.

00:31:09.000 I don't know who was in the conversation.

00:31:10.000 It was part of a thread.

00:31:12.000 And it wasn't like I was saying to somebody, you're not a woman.

00:31:17.000 It was in response to a tweet that was sort of confusing and me saying, but men aren't women though.

00:31:25.000 What was the...

00:31:26.000 Do you remember what the...

00:31:27.000 I don't remember what the context is.

00:31:30.000 There was like three tweets.

00:31:33.000 But also, I believe that Twitter was going after me specifically because I was speaking critically about gender identity ideology and because I was asking these kinds of questions.

00:31:46.000 I don't think that it was specifically because of these tweets.

00:31:50.000 I think they took those tweets as an excuse.

00:31:52.000 I think they were trying to get rid of me and then they're like, Okay, that's hateful.

00:31:56.000 And when you say they, it's probably just some moderator.

00:32:00.000 It's probably someone who has a subjective opinion about what you say and whether or not you should say it.

00:32:07.000 And that's a problem generally that a lot of people have with the censorship that's on social media, Twitter in particular.

00:32:13.000 You know, one of the weird things that's happening now with Elon Musk buying Twitter or attempting to buy Twitter, they've done something different.

00:32:21.000 And one of the things they've done different is I gained, now it's 900,000 followers in the month or so.

00:32:31.000 What?

00:32:31.000 Yes.

00:32:32.000 Yes.

00:32:33.000 I mean, a lot of people really like you, so maybe 900,000 more people were like, I've decided I love Joe Rogan.

00:32:39.000 I think I was in a box.

00:32:41.000 I think I was restricted in some way.

00:32:42.000 Well, Megyn Kelly said the same thing.

00:32:43.000 Did you hear her say that?

00:32:44.000 She said she gained a lot.

00:32:45.000 She gained a ton.

00:32:47.000 Like 100,000 or, I don't remember the number, but a lot.

00:32:50.000 Something's going on.

00:32:51.000 Like, it was really noticeable, and so she was like, she's like, I'm pretty sure Twitter was, you know, messing around with my account.

00:33:00.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:33:01.000 I think something was going on.

00:33:03.000 I mean, I'm just guessing.

00:33:04.000 The other option could be the bots that I've gained 900,000 bots.

00:33:10.000 But every time I look, it's like another 100,000.

00:33:13.000 It's crazy.

00:33:14.000 It grows faster than anything.

00:33:16.000 And Instagram is the opposite.

00:33:18.000 Instagram seems to have hit the brakes on me.

00:33:20.000 Oh, yeah?

00:33:21.000 Somewhere around six months ago, something happened.

00:33:24.000 It seems like it's slowed down growth a lot.

00:33:29.000 I don't check it too much, so I might be wrong.

00:33:32.000 Maybe it's something they've done with their algorithm, where they prefer videos over photographs now, which I think they do.

00:33:40.000 They're trying to go more video, I believe.

00:33:42.000 I read that.

00:33:42.000 That's where the viral effect really takes place, and I see with my kids, with TikTok.

00:33:49.000 You know, I have one daughter who's a heavy TikToker. 1.00

00:33:51.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:52.000 She's always doing dances with her friends.

00:33:53.000 Never been on TikTok and don't really understand how it works.

00:33:56.000 Well, you're not 14. That's true.

00:33:58.000 But little girls, they get together and they do dances and they like to, like, memorize dances and sync it to music.

00:34:06.000 And then they're watching all these other people TikTok and doing all these other...

00:34:10.000 And it's like TikTok just...

00:34:11.000 Hits you with video after video after video and they just get you hooked.

00:34:16.000 You open that app up and it's like you're already like, oh, movement.

00:34:19.000 Things are happening.

00:34:20.000 And this is what they're trying to do, I believe, with Instagram.

00:34:23.000 I think so, too.

00:34:24.000 And I did.

00:34:25.000 I've read that.

00:34:25.000 I don't get it because I hate watching videos on Instagram and I hate watching videos on my phone in general.

00:34:32.000 Because I'm an old person, I guess.

00:34:34.000 Like, I'm like, if I want to watch a video, I want to look at a big screen.

00:34:38.000 Like, I'll watch stuff on my laptop, but I hate, I don't like reading stuff.

00:34:41.000 I don't like using my phone.

00:34:43.000 I don't even like texting on my phone, to be honest.

00:34:45.000 Like, I text on my laptop.

00:34:46.000 But, I mean, I sort of think that Instagram messes with me a little bit, too.

00:34:52.000 They refuse to verify my account.

00:34:54.000 I've tried, like, five times.

00:34:55.000 How many followers do you have?

00:34:56.000 14,000?

00:34:59.000 No, sorry.

00:35:00.000 Is that right?

00:35:02.000 What's the number that you think?

00:35:04.000 Who cares? 1.00

00:35:06.000 I don't want to pretend like I don't give a shit, because I do give a shit, but not that big of a shit. 1.00

00:35:13.000 Is there a number that you have to reach before they'll verify you? 1.00

00:35:17.000 Oh, I went up to 14.3k today from two.

00:35:21.000 Congratulations.

00:35:22.000 Thank you.

00:35:23.000 But I just felt like my posts were getting less traction all of a sudden, and they were no different than what I'd been posting before.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, I don't know what that is.

00:35:33.000 Like, that could just be coincidental. 0.99

00:35:35.000 But I know some people have definitely been fucked with. 0.98

00:35:39.000 And, you know, wasn't there a football player who complained a lot about it, Jamie? 0.98

00:35:43.000 And then eventually he got let out of Instagram jail?

00:35:46.000 Why does he need a, like, he's a football player.

00:35:48.000 Like, what does he need an Instagram account for?

00:35:51.000 I need an Instagram account because it's how I make a living.

00:35:55.000 Well, he does too.

00:35:56.000 That's how you get sponsors.

00:35:57.000 When you're a football player, you have to get sponsorships.

00:35:59.000 Oh, if you have lots of followers.

00:36:00.000 Okay, fine.

00:36:01.000 Fine.

00:36:02.000 I'm sorry, football player.

00:36:04.000 I like sports.

00:36:06.000 Well, you think about it.

00:36:07.000 I mean, if you have a large following, like a Tom Brady, I mean, God, how many sponsors does he have?

00:36:11.000 Oh, okay.

00:36:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:36:13.000 That's an amazing way to make an income.

00:36:15.000 You don't need an Instagram account to throw a ball.

00:36:18.000 No.

00:36:18.000 You need it for Gatorade and Nike and all the car sponsors and all kinds of different things.

00:36:23.000 When those guys have a large following, that's very valuable.

00:36:27.000 Which is really an interesting thing.

00:36:28.000 It's like, what is social media for?

00:36:30.000 Are you using it as a business or are you using it to be social?

00:36:33.000 Are you just having fun and expressing yourself or are you using it to maximize your brand, air quotes?

00:36:41.000 I mean, I don't brand.

00:36:43.000 I swear to God I don't.

00:36:45.000 I'm obviously a very authentic person.

00:36:47.000 I believe you.

00:36:48.000 I just, I mean, I have to use social media for work because I work for myself, so it's the only way I can get what I produce out into the world, and that's how I make an income.

00:37:00.000 Almost solely through individual donations.

00:37:03.000 So people who send me donations through my website, or they sign up to my Patreon, or they pay for a subscription on Substack, which I haven't put anything behind a paywall, so people can just choose to pay or not, so I just appreciate it if people pay because it's how I make an income.

00:37:20.000 But I don't have...

00:37:23.000 There's no institution.

00:37:24.000 It's kind of pure.

00:37:25.000 It's very pure in a way.

00:37:26.000 But I also, I would not really, I don't think I would have a public Instagram account if I hadn't been, I didn't start a public Instagram account until I was kicked off of Twitter.

00:37:38.000 Like, I have to do that.

00:37:39.000 I don't love spending a bunch of time on social media.

00:37:42.000 Did you enjoy Twitter, though, when you were on it?

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:45.000 I'm like, I don't know why everybody complains about Twitter all the time, because I really like Twitter.

00:37:49.000 Have you tried to get back on?

00:37:50.000 Because I know some people that were banned before, they tried to get back on, they got back on.

00:37:57.000 I appealed twice since...

00:37:59.000 Recently?

00:37:59.000 Yeah.

00:38:00.000 So since Elon Musk announced that he was going to buy Twitter, we'll see if that actually goes through or not.

00:38:08.000 They just gave in to one of his demands.

00:38:10.000 Oh, did they?

00:38:11.000 Yeah.

00:38:11.000 They just released...

00:38:13.000 See if you can find what the article says.

00:38:16.000 But essentially, he said unless they give him access to data so he can find out how many of these accounts are fake.

00:38:23.000 Right.

00:38:23.000 Because his take on it was like, if you were going to buy something and you were buying it under the assumption that, okay, here it goes.

00:38:31.000 Twitter's set to turn bot data over to Musk.

00:38:52.000 The device the Post came from and other information about the account holders.

00:38:56.000 The Washington Post reported Wednesday citing an unnamed person familiar with the matter.

00:39:00.000 Such a move would help respond to Musk's repeated demands for more information about the composition of Twitter's user base and the extent of its problem with bots.

00:39:09.000 Musk has challenged Twitter's claims that just 5% of its accounts are bots.

00:39:13.000 Calling the way the company calculates fake accounts very suspicious in a May tweet.

00:39:18.000 So I'm really interested to see how this plays out because he is what he would describe as a free speech absolutist.

00:39:27.000 And I think that that is something that people are reluctant to agree.

00:39:42.000 Toughen up, man.

00:39:43.000 Toughen up.

00:39:44.000 And I'm not joking.

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 I was calling myself a free speech absolutist for a while, and then I interviewed Michael Salina, who's with the Founders Fund, and he organized Hereticon, which was Mm-hmm.

00:39:59.000 A conference that I went to in Miami in January that was like amazing.

00:40:02.000 It was basically like a wrong think conference.

00:40:04.000 Was it good?

00:40:05.000 It was amazing.

00:40:06.000 Yeah?

00:40:07.000 It was awesome.

00:40:08.000 Do you smoke cigars?

00:40:10.000 No.

00:40:11.000 You want one?

00:40:12.000 No.

00:40:12.000 Okay.

00:40:13.000 I'll choke.

00:40:14.000 I want more racia though.

00:40:15.000 Okay.

00:40:15.000 I used to, I smoked cigarettes from the time I was 13 until 21. You got your ACS right next to you.

00:40:20.000 Well, I want to open a different one because I want you to try this one.

00:40:23.000 Will you try some more or no?

00:40:24.000 It's nasty.

00:40:25.000 Dude, this one is good.

00:40:26.000 I swear to God.

00:40:27.000 Okay, listen.

00:40:28.000 If you don't like this one...

00:40:30.000 Well, I already said I'd give up on you if you don't like this one.

00:40:34.000 Look at how beautiful the label is in any case.

00:40:37.000 It's a nice bottle.

00:40:38.000 It's a real pretty poison.

00:40:39.000 Okay, well, I'm going to have more.

00:40:41.000 Go ahead.

00:40:42.000 I love the smell of cigars and I've always wished that I could, but I don't know how to not inhale, so I choke.

00:40:49.000 Because I treat it like a cigarette.

00:40:50.000 Do you smoke cigarettes?

00:40:51.000 Well, I quit when I was 21. And I hate cigarettes now.

00:40:55.000 But I quit when I was 21, which was good timing because that was around the same time when all the bars started not letting you smoke inside.

00:41:03.000 I used to go to the bar and drink beer and smoke cigarettes inside the bar.

00:41:07.000 The good old days.

00:41:08.000 I used to like common clubs to be smoky.

00:41:10.000 Can you imagine?

00:41:10.000 Ew.

00:41:11.000 Now?

00:41:12.000 Yeah.

00:41:12.000 In Mexico, like in Sayulita, where I live, you can smoke anywhere you want.

00:41:17.000 And I take it because I love Sayulita and I love freedom of Mexico and I love that there's no rules.

00:41:23.000 But when I leave the bar and I wake up the next day coughing, my hair stinks, my clothes stink.

00:41:29.000 You're probably catching a buzz, though.

00:41:32.000 Probably.

00:41:32.000 So many people smoke there.

00:41:34.000 It's crazy.

00:41:34.000 And coming from somewhere like Vancouver that's a super healthy place.

00:41:38.000 See, it smells so good.

00:41:39.000 I really like it, but I can't do it.

00:41:41.000 I get it.

00:41:42.000 I get it.

00:41:43.000 And you're not going to peer pressure me into this.

00:41:46.000 I'm not even trying.

00:41:46.000 No, I'm joking.

00:41:46.000 Notice.

00:41:47.000 Notice I haven't tried.

00:41:49.000 That was a joke.

00:41:50.000 I know.

00:41:51.000 Aren't you a comedian?

00:41:52.000 Yeah.

00:41:52.000 I went along with it.

00:41:54.000 Didn't you see?

00:41:55.000 Yeah.

00:41:55.000 Okay.

00:41:55.000 I went along with your joke.

00:41:56.000 Thank you.

00:41:57.000 I appreciate that.

00:41:59.000 You used to be able to smoke in Dallas, like up until like fairly recently.

00:42:03.000 Because I remember the Addison Improv, which is a club I love.

00:42:08.000 It's a suburb of Dallas.

00:42:10.000 They had smoking shows.

00:42:12.000 And I want to say it was in the 2000s.

00:42:15.000 I don't know when they stopped doing it.

00:42:17.000 Interesting.

00:42:18.000 Like, okay.

00:42:18.000 Well, actually, no.

00:42:20.000 Sorry, I should speak into the microphone.

00:42:23.000 I know about this.

00:42:24.000 I know how mics work.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:26.000 Well, I've had, like, the last podcast that I did with you, I saw online a ton of people being like, ah, Megan got drunk.

00:42:32.000 And I'm like, dude, I had two drinks.

00:42:35.000 Do you know how many drinks...

00:42:37.000 Do you know how much Racia I drink?

00:42:38.000 Like, if I go out to, like, party, like, I'm like, I'm going out...

00:42:42.000 I drink like, I don't know, like 11 or 12 shots of ricea.

00:42:47.000 Do you drink 11 or 12 shots of ricea?

00:42:51.000 Dude, I can drink so much ricea.

00:42:52.000 It's crazy.

00:42:52.000 I don't even know how.

00:42:55.000 This is like once a week.

00:42:57.000 This is not...

00:42:57.000 I mean, maybe that sounds like...

00:42:59.000 It's not every day.

00:43:01.000 12 shots!

00:43:03.000 And I go through it really...

00:43:04.000 I go through it real fast.

00:43:06.000 Sometimes I have to switch to whiskey so that I slow down because I can't drink whiskey as fast as I can drink ricea.

00:43:13.000 That doesn't make any sense either.

00:43:15.000 No, none of it makes sense to me.

00:43:19.000 But so I think in Vancouver, so when I was 21, that would have been like 2001. And that was around the same time, I think...

00:43:34.000 They were cutting out smoking in bars probably around 99, 2000, around that time.

00:43:40.000 And before that, there were still restaurants and cafes with smoking sections, which was no different from the other section.

00:43:49.000 And yeah, you could go to bars and clubs and smoke.

00:43:52.000 I would always come home with cigarette burns on my fingers and holes in my mesh tank tops.

00:43:57.000 I remember that in restaurants.

00:43:59.000 Cigarette sections, smoking sections of restaurants.

00:44:02.000 And it's just not that chair, but that chair.

00:44:04.000 And not ventilation that's set up to really filter things out very well either.

00:44:10.000 Vegas is set up pretty well.

00:44:12.000 Vegas you can still smoke indoors, can't you?

00:44:15.000 This is real smooth, Joe.

00:44:17.000 I really think you should try it.

00:44:20.000 This is real smooth, she says. 0.98

00:44:23.000 She's such a crackhead. 1.00

00:44:24.000 Please believe me. 1.00

00:44:26.000 It is.

00:44:27.000 Like this, I was like, yeah.

00:44:29.000 Oh my god, Megan.

00:44:30.000 It's not smooth.

00:44:31.000 It's nasty.

00:44:31.000 This one is not smooth.

00:44:33.000 That one is... 1.00

00:44:33.000 Well, you fucked up. 1.00

00:44:36.000 She started me off with a good one. 1.00

00:44:38.000 There's still time.

00:44:42.000 We'll get there.

00:44:43.000 I'm a proponent of you having the ability to do whatever you want.

00:44:47.000 The problem is the people that work there.

00:44:49.000 If you're smoking, there's so many cases of people that are waiters or waitresses in a bar and they get cancer from lungs and they don't smoke.

00:45:01.000 It's horrible.

00:45:01.000 I can't imagine having to work in those bars and clubs or work on airplanes when everybody's smoking on the airplane.

00:45:07.000 That's the craziest thing. 1.00

00:45:08.000 You're in a fucking... 1.00

00:45:09.000 That I'm not old enough for that, but that's strange. 1.00

00:45:12.000 What year did that stop?

00:45:14.000 I want to say that stopped in the 90s, right?

00:45:17.000 Really?

00:45:17.000 I don't know.

00:45:18.000 I mean, I'm trying to think of when I was first on a plane.

00:45:22.000 I don't know.

00:45:23.000 I think Dice Clay used to have a bit about it.

00:45:24.000 Maybe earlier than that.

00:45:25.000 Probably, I mean, so they were still doing it in the 80s, you think?

00:45:28.000 It had to be late 80s, because I think Dice had a bit about it in like 89 or 90s. 1.00

00:45:33.000 You're in a fucking tube! 0.98

00:45:36.000 He had this whole bit about a section. 1.00

00:45:39.000 He's like, what? 1.00

00:45:40.000 We're breathing the same fucking air! 1.00

00:45:43.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:45:43.000 I mean, I don't like it, and I think that it is unfair to impose that on employees who have to be there. 0.98

00:45:51.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

00:45:53.000 The problem is the people that work.

00:45:54.000 It's a workplace environment safety issue.

00:45:56.000 But, you know, if you have a social club that doesn't have employees, you know, like there's places that set up, they set up places as social clubs so that they can get around certain rules.

00:46:08.000 Okay, because it's like a private space.

00:46:10.000 Like cigar bars.

00:46:13.000 Cigar bars have that kind of set up, you know.

00:46:15.000 Or like hookah lounges. 0.58

00:46:17.000 Is that similar?

00:46:18.000 I've never...

00:46:18.000 Interesting.

00:46:20.000 I've never tried a...

00:46:21.000 A hookah?

00:46:22.000 I'm like, a hookah?

00:46:23.000 It's good.

00:46:24.000 It's good.

00:46:25.000 What's the point?

00:46:25.000 I don't get it.

00:46:26.000 You get a head rush.

00:46:27.000 Wild tobacco head rush.

00:46:28.000 Like a head rush, like nausea.

00:46:31.000 That's what, if I try to smoke a cigarette now, because every once in a while, in general I find it gross, but every once in a while I'll be like, there'll be a cigarette smell that appeals to me for some reason.

00:46:39.000 It probably smells like my Du Maurier ultralight king size that I used to smoke when I was 17. And I'm like, I want to try a cigarette.

00:46:49.000 And then I'm like, ugh, that was fucking disgusting. 0.99

00:46:52.000 And now my mouth tastes like an ashtray. 0.99

00:46:54.000 And it makes me feel ill.

00:46:55.000 Like, I was lucky about quitting smoking because when I started smoking less, the cigarette started making me feel sick.

00:47:02.000 So if I would have a cigarette, I would feel sick.

00:47:04.000 Like, it was not hard.

00:47:06.000 I wasn't like...

00:47:07.000 Oh lord, I love smoking cigarettes so much.

00:47:10.000 I think I just smoked cigarettes because I was like a teenager and I was nervous and wanted to fit in.

00:47:15.000 Right, yeah.

00:47:16.000 It's interesting that you could down 11 shots of Roycea and that doesn't make you feel ill.

00:47:22.000 And a cigarette would make you feel ill.

00:47:24.000 I sip the shots. 1.00

00:47:26.000 Yeah, but you're fucking 11 of them. 0.99

00:47:28.000 They have to get down eventually. 1.00

00:47:29.000 I'm a very strong...

00:47:32.000 You're robust.

00:47:34.000 I come from robust Irish stock.

00:47:36.000 That's what it is.

00:47:37.000 It's the Irish stock.

00:47:39.000 Totally.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, it has to be.

00:47:40.000 I mean, it's a really great skill.

00:47:42.000 I appreciate it.

00:47:43.000 I would be so sad if I had, like, two shots of ricey and was like, woo, gotta go to bed.

00:47:48.000 Well, it's weird how it is genetic in that some people of certain ancestry, they don't have a historical, you know, there's not like a lot of history of their ancestors drinking alcohol, and they struggle with it,

00:48:04.000 whereas Irish people generally, well, you know, but there are a lot of Irish alcoholics, but they can put it down better for whatever reason.

00:48:12.000 Yeah.

00:48:13.000 I mean, you also have to know how to drink.

00:48:15.000 Like, I... I don't do shots.

00:48:18.000 Like, I wouldn't go to the bar and do a tequila shot, because I don't want to get wasted and black out.

00:48:22.000 Like, I want to keep going until 5am, so you gotta...

00:48:26.000 What is the appeal of drinking to you?

00:48:28.000 Like, what is that thing?

00:48:30.000 This is an interesting question and I've thought about this a lot.

00:48:34.000 I have.

00:48:35.000 I think about it all the time.

00:48:36.000 Because I don't love drugs.

00:48:40.000 Do you like pot?

00:48:41.000 No.

00:48:42.000 Not at all?

00:48:43.000 Nope.

00:48:43.000 I don't like it.

00:48:44.000 I tried for many years to smoke weed and it's not for me.

00:48:51.000 It makes me...

00:48:52.000 I don't like the feeling of being high.

00:48:56.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:57.000 I know that's a strange thing to say.

00:48:59.000 We've had this conversation three times today.

00:49:01.000 You don't have to like what I like.

00:49:05.000 This is the kind of podcast where you come on and you agree with everything I say or you're out and you're never coming back.

00:49:12.000 What is it about?

00:49:13.000 Is it the paranoia?

00:49:14.000 Yeah, I feel paranoid.

00:49:16.000 I can't socialize.

00:49:17.000 I get super self-conscious.

00:49:19.000 So if I smoke weed, I have to stay home and lie on the couch and watch TV and eat candy, and that's not what I want to do in my life.

00:49:25.000 I want to be out and socializing, or I want to be productive.

00:49:28.000 I want to be able to work, and I can't do any of those things.

00:49:32.000 And I don't like the not knowing when it's going to end.

00:49:35.000 I don't like mushrooms, because I'm like, okay, this was fun for five minutes, and now...

00:49:40.000 I feel weird and I don't have any control over this.

00:49:44.000 I think I want to be in control.

00:49:48.000 I don't like MDMA. It doesn't do what it does to a lot of other people.

00:49:59.000 It makes me feel antisocial and I want to go sit in a corner and then wait for it to be done.

00:50:05.000 I think I like drinking because it's social. 0.99

00:50:09.000 I like going out with my friends and laughing and being stupid and talking about stupid things and doing karaoke and getting loose and wild and... 1.00

00:50:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:22.000 And I work a lot. 1.00

00:50:24.000 Like, I think people think I'm on vacation all the time because I moved to a vacation town and probably I post a lot of vacation-y looking photos.

00:50:34.000 But I work, you know, five or six days a week.

00:50:37.000 Like, I work until 2am.

00:50:39.000 Like, if I'm working, I wake up at noon, mind you.

00:50:42.000 But I... It's not that bad.

00:50:46.000 The grind continues as the alarm goes off of people eating lunch.

00:50:53.000 It's almost dark.

00:50:54.000 Is this because you're up late writing?

00:50:56.000 Yeah, like I work until 2am and then you're wired because you've been working so then I like watch a show.

00:51:01.000 I do my best writing at night.

00:51:02.000 Yeah, I write at 10 p.m.

00:51:06.000 And then I'll try to unwind, so I'll watch a show.

00:51:11.000 So I end up getting to bed at like 3, 4 a.m.

00:51:14.000 if I'm working.

00:51:15.000 Which makes sense.

00:51:16.000 You wake up at noon.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, and I need eight or nine hours of sleep.

00:51:19.000 I honestly do. 0.99

00:51:20.000 If I get less than that, I feel like shit. 0.99

00:51:21.000 My brain doesn't work. 1.00

00:51:22.000 My job is brain-related.

00:51:24.000 I have to be able to function.

00:51:25.000 I eat badly.

00:51:26.000 I don't want to work out. 1.00

00:51:27.000 If I'm tired, my day is fucked. 0.99

00:51:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:51:31.000 Most people eat badly if they don't get sleep.

00:51:33.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:51:34.000 Yeah.

00:51:34.000 It's like you crave junk food.

00:51:36.000 Bad food, yeah.

00:51:36.000 You crave sugar and white bread.

00:51:39.000 Mm-hmm.

00:51:39.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 So it's just, yeah, it's bad all around.

00:51:43.000 There's some sort of a reason for that.

00:51:45.000 They've isolated some reason for why people make poor decisions with food when they're tired.

00:51:54.000 Yeah, I'm sure there is because it's always been like that for me.

00:51:58.000 When I had an office job and I had to be at work at 8 in the morning or whatever, I would spend the whole day drinking sugar coffees and then I'd want a cookie and I'd buy some pastry thing at the cafe.

00:52:14.000 I guess it's your body trying to keep you up.

00:52:17.000 And I don't really eat that stuff very often now.

00:52:20.000 It kind of kills your judgment, too.

00:52:22.000 There's something about it.

00:52:22.000 It kills your ability to make good decisions.

00:52:27.000 Yeah, I feel like office life is so unhealthy.

00:52:31.000 I think it works for some people.

00:52:32.000 For me, it made me super depressed.

00:52:35.000 I felt tired all the time.

00:52:37.000 I ate badly.

00:52:38.000 And I would get to Friday and be so done that I'd be like, go party!

00:52:43.000 And then you party all weekend, and you get to Sunday night, and you're depressed, and you have to go back to work again.

00:52:48.000 Well, here's the thing that people are pushing back against a lot is the idea of doing remote office work.

00:52:56.000 There's a lot of people that feel like they're more productive at home, and then there's a lot of other people who feel like their employees need to be in the office because that's the only way they can keep track of whether or not they're being effective or whether or not they're actually working.

00:53:11.000 One of the things we found out during the pandemic is how many guys jerk off while they're on Zoom calls. 1.00

00:53:18.000 Why are men so stupid, honestly? 1.00

00:53:21.000 Sorry. 1.00

00:53:21.000 They're addicted. 1.00

00:53:23.000 They're addicted to jerking off? 1.00

00:53:24.000 Yeah, they're addicted to porn. 1.00

00:53:25.000 Is it that they're looking at... 0.93

00:53:26.000 Oh, they're looking at porn.

00:53:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:53:30.000 Gross.

00:53:31.000 Yeah, I think it's... 0.84

00:53:33.000 They're also...

00:53:35.000 I'm like, why are you getting horny on a Zoom call? 0.56

00:53:39.000 Yeah, it's not even horny. 0.56

00:53:41.000 It's like addict behavior.

00:53:43.000 That's what that is.

00:53:44.000 If you're a disciplined person and you're working, you should be working.

00:53:48.000 You're working.

00:53:48.000 You're on a Zoom call.

00:53:49.000 But I think that whatever work is so fucking boring, they're not really connected to it. 0.78

00:53:54.000 So like, I'm just going to mute my camera over here and whack one off real quick. 0.98

00:53:58.000 And maybe they think it's exciting to be able to jerk off while other people are talking. 0.73

00:54:01.000 Like if it's risk-taking behavior. 0.96

00:54:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:03.000 It's like secret and the bad and the shame and it's all wrapped up in that.

00:54:07.000 Yeah, there's something to that.

00:54:09.000 But I mean, a lot of people got busted.

00:54:11.000 And they keep doing it.

00:54:13.000 I mean, guys watch porn at the library, at the public library, and on the plane.

00:54:20.000 Which, if I weren't a libertarian now, I'm sort of joking, I don't identify as a libertarian, I would say that should be illegal.

00:54:28.000 It's like, you can't watch porn in public.

00:54:30.000 Have you seen people watch porn on a plane?

00:54:32.000 Really?

00:54:32.000 No, but I've seen other people see other people watch porn.

00:54:35.000 I've seen it on the internet, okay?

00:54:37.000 A friend of mine opened his laptop.

00:54:39.000 I would be so upset if I saw a man watching porn.

00:54:42.000 I don't know what I would do.

00:54:44.000 It's not legal, right?

00:54:47.000 What are the laws of 30,000 feet?

00:54:49.000 Does that count?

00:54:51.000 I assumed it was legal.

00:54:53.000 What are the laws up there in the sky?

00:54:54.000 I don't know if it's illegal to watch porn at the library because men do it. 1.00

00:55:00.000 I don't think that's legal. 0.98

00:55:02.000 They might kick them out because they'd be like, you're gross. 0.99

00:55:05.000 Or if they tried to whip out their genitals. 1.00

00:55:11.000 Their gender neutral genitals. 0.96

00:55:13.000 But you know how there's different laws if you're out in the middle of the ocean?

00:55:17.000 Okay.

00:55:18.000 Is there different laws in space?

00:55:21.000 I don't know the answer to this question.

00:55:22.000 I wonder if the laws are exactly the same when you're at 30,000 feet.

00:55:29.000 That's a good question because where are you still in America or are you in the ocean?

00:55:36.000 If you're over the ocean.

00:55:37.000 Right.

00:55:37.000 What is that?

00:55:39.000 What laws apply?

00:55:40.000 Maybe it's up to the business.

00:55:41.000 Maybe it's according to American Airlines gets to decide whether or not you're allowed to watch porn on the plane.

00:55:48.000 Here it is.

00:55:50.000 Although some systems of national law still adhere to the view that ships and aircraft are part of the territory of the state, the nationality of which they possess, this is merely a crude metaphor.

00:56:02.000 In international law, a distinction has been made between three types of state jurisdiction, territorial jurisdiction over national territory, and all persons and things therein.

00:56:12.000 Quasi-territorial jurisdiction over national ships and aircraft and all persons and things thereon, and personal jurisdiction over all other nationals and all persons under a state's protection as well as their property.

00:56:28.000 In case of conflict, territorial jurisdiction overrides quasi-territorial jurisdiction and personal jurisdiction, while quasi-territorial jurisdiction overrides personal jurisdiction.

00:56:41.000 Okay, so there's like tiers.

00:56:44.000 Okay.

00:56:46.000 Territorial jurisdiction over national territory.

00:56:49.000 But that does mean that in cases of conflict, that territorial jurisdiction overrides it.

00:56:55.000 So that means that if you are over the United States of America, that is territorial jurisdiction.

00:57:00.000 Because it's territorial.

00:57:01.000 So like when you're in the ocean, that makes sense.

00:57:03.000 It's nobody's. 0.64

00:57:04.000 Which is really kind of interesting, right?

00:57:05.000 It's like we allow people to own everything, but you can't own the ocean.

00:57:09.000 Yeah.

00:57:09.000 Yeah, I mean, technically you're not allowed to own a beach.

00:57:14.000 In Canada, anyway.

00:57:16.000 Is that true in the U.S. too?

00:57:17.000 It is, right?

00:57:17.000 Is it?

00:57:18.000 But you can buy up all the property close to the beach and then build a fence so that people can't get through.

00:57:24.000 My parents live on a small Gulf island, and I went to...

00:57:30.000 In BC and on these islands, you can go to beaches and there's nobody else there.

00:57:34.000 It's awesome.

00:57:35.000 It's super beautiful.

00:57:36.000 Forests are beautiful.

00:57:38.000 Mountains are beautiful.

00:57:39.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:57:39.000 But I went to this one beach and there's a path down to the beach and it says no trespassing private property, but it's like, well, it's a beach.

00:57:49.000 I'm going to go to the beach.

00:57:50.000 And so we're down at the beach and the chick who owns the property comes down and is like... 1.00

00:57:55.000 You know, like, you're not allowed, like, you're basically, you're allowed to come to the beach via a boat, but you're not allowed to walk down her path to the beach.

00:58:03.000 So she's essentially created a private beach. 0.99

00:58:05.000 She's like, how did you get here?

00:58:07.000 Like, you guys aren't allowed to walk through this place.

00:58:08.000 And we're like, oh no, we're just gonna swim back.

00:58:12.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:58:13.000 People don't own the beach, but you do own everything above high tide.

00:58:17.000 You can own above high tide.

00:58:19.000 That's how it is in Malibu.

00:58:20.000 So I have a friend who has a place in Malibu, and he was telling me that his sons were surfing, and they were in this area, and this guy didn't know that they were his sons.

00:58:32.000 So the guy comes out and starts screaming and yelling at them. 0.99

00:58:36.000 They get the fuck off the beach. 0.97

00:58:38.000 And he got mad at the guy, and then there's this conflict, and the guy realized, oh, you live here, okay, these are your sons. 0.99

00:58:45.000 But you're not allowed to yell at people to surf.

00:58:48.000 Because they were laughing and surfing in front of this guy's house.

00:58:51.000 So he thought, because he spent $10 million on this house, he should be able to tell people, you can't surf in front of my house.

00:58:58.000 But there's been cases in Malibu where they hire private security.

00:59:03.000 I think it's called Billionaire's Beach, like Carbon Beach.

00:59:07.000 These people that have all this money buy these houses and then they hire private security to kick people off the beach.

00:59:13.000 But they can't.

00:59:14.000 You're not allowed to.

00:59:15.000 So then there's lawsuits where people sue the people who kick them off the beach.

00:59:20.000 And I don't know how they resolve that.

00:59:22.000 But I know it's ongoing and technically the people that are the beachgoers are correct.

00:59:29.000 You can't keep people off the beach.

00:59:31.000 It's everybody's.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, it's just the getting there part that is technically illegal.

00:59:36.000 But of course these people do feel entitled and they're like, this is my private beach.

00:59:40.000 Like, what are you doing on my private beach? 0.98

00:59:42.000 If you want to buy a fucking place and you want to buy a place that's on the water, that is what comes with the territory. 0.99

00:59:48.000 It's the ocean! 1.00

00:59:49.000 People can camp out right in front of your fucking house. 1.00

00:59:50.000 People can do whatever they want with the ocean. 1.00

00:59:53.000 Like, you don't get to own that. 0.99

00:59:54.000 The problem is if you have a bedroom and you like to keep your windows open so you can hear the waves crashing and you have people right below you and they're fucking partying, playing shitty music. 0.98

01:00:05.000 Too bad, bro. 0.99

01:00:06.000 That's what you get for being rich.

01:00:07.000 Wow.

01:00:09.000 I'm joking.

01:00:09.000 I hope to be rich someday.

01:00:11.000 What is this, Jamie?

01:00:12.000 I just picked that beach.

01:00:14.000 Is that Carbon Beach?

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 See, that's beautiful.

01:00:17.000 But I think where the people aren't allowed to go is wherever high tide is.

01:00:24.000 So I think high tide is like right up to there.

01:00:26.000 So when that area, like walking on the beach, anybody can go there. 0.98

01:00:30.000 They can go there, they can play, they can fuck around. 0.99

01:00:32.000 But I think above that, it's supposed to be theirs, the person who's in front of the beach, which is like still kind of fucked. 0.99

01:00:39.000 This is so strange looking to me because I've not seen... 0.78

01:00:43.000 This isn't a thing in BC where the houses on the beach are just stacked up like townhouses.

01:00:48.000 Oh, they're right next to each other.

01:00:49.000 If you have a place on the beach on the island, it's going to be in the forest and you have acreage and...

01:00:56.000 Well, Malibu's a weird spot like that because there's so much money.

01:01:00.000 And these people are so rich and they're stuffed right next to each other.

01:01:04.000 It's real weird.

01:01:04.000 It seems unpleasant to me.

01:01:05.000 I rented a house there once because my kitchen was getting redone and it wasn't bad because you don't notice that people are there because it's so loud.

01:01:14.000 You hear it's whoosh, whoosh.

01:01:16.000 You hear the water crashing against the rocks and everything all day long, and it really is beautiful.

01:01:22.000 Like in the morning, I would eat breakfast.

01:01:24.000 We were only there for a couple of months, but I would eat breakfast in the morning, and the way we were at, we were on this place that had like a deck, and the water was almost under the deck.

01:01:34.000 So when you sit there eating breakfast, it's like you're on the water.

01:01:37.000 I was like, oh, this is nice.

01:01:39.000 It does sound nice.

01:01:39.000 It's nice.

01:01:40.000 Like, this is terrible.

01:01:42.000 It's nice.

01:01:42.000 Oh, it's so nice.

01:01:43.000 I would never want this.

01:01:45.000 But that, to me, it's a very specific thing.

01:01:48.000 Like, the kind of, like, what I like.

01:01:50.000 I like to be, like, almost in the water.

01:01:54.000 Almost in the water is beautiful.

01:01:56.000 Because I got to look out and I was seeing, like, dolphins. 0.95

01:01:59.000 I was watching, like, seagulls swim around and shit and fly over here. 0.97

01:02:03.000 I'm like, This is nice. 0.98

01:02:04.000 Being near the ocean is the best.

01:02:06.000 I mean, where did you grow up?

01:02:09.000 Well, I grew up all over the place.

01:02:11.000 I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived there until I was 7. I lived in San Francisco from 7 to 11. And then I lived in Florida from 11 to 13. And then I lived in Boston for the rest of the time.

01:02:23.000 I was born in Vancouver and grew up in Vancouver, so I was always near the beach.

01:02:28.000 We did a lot of camping.

01:02:29.000 I always swam.

01:02:31.000 I would bike to Kitt's Pool every day all summer, which is right on the ocean.

01:02:36.000 And now, the idea of, I live in a beach town now, I would never live somewhere, or I think I would feel almost depressed living somewhere where there was no ocean, or I would feel trapped.

01:02:49.000 It's almost like a claustrophobic feeling.

01:02:51.000 And lakes don't cut it. 1.00

01:02:53.000 It can't just be a body of water.

01:02:54.000 It has to be the ocean that I can see and access.

01:02:57.000 That's what you like?

01:02:58.000 And I don't even go in the ocean.

01:03:02.000 Well, in Sayulita...

01:03:03.000 I mean, I did in Vancouver.

01:03:05.000 Like, I have been in the ocean, but it's not like in Sayulita.

01:03:09.000 Like, I don't go to the beach in Sayulita.

01:03:11.000 No?

01:03:11.000 Partly because I'm inside my house until it gets dark.

01:03:15.000 But, like, I don't want to...

01:03:18.000 I'm not, like, a lie-out-in-the-sun kind of person.

01:03:21.000 I'm pale.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 I have a spray tan right now, so that's why I'm looking so...

01:03:27.000 I probably look almost like a normal human being.

01:03:30.000 You're many degrees lighter than me even with your spray tan.

01:03:33.000 I know.

01:03:33.000 That's part of the joke.

01:03:35.000 But I'm not going to go loud in the sun because I'm just going to get skin damage and sweat.

01:03:41.000 I work in the day.

01:03:42.000 I was saying before, I work a lot.

01:03:45.000 If I wake up, I'm working until 2 a.m.

01:03:49.000 Every day except for Thursdays because that's karaoke night.

01:03:55.000 I need to go see you do karaoke.

01:03:57.000 I'm not very good, but I really like it. 0.94

01:03:59.000 I think that's part of the fun of karaoke is sucking at it. 0.89

01:04:02.000 I mean, it's not fun if everybody's good. 0.97

01:04:04.000 You're supposed to be bad and yell.

01:04:07.000 It's kind of sad when they are good.

01:04:09.000 Well, yeah, it's sad if people take it seriously, is what's sad.

01:04:12.000 It's sad if they take it seriously.

01:04:13.000 Like, if you're good, but you just happen to be good, and you're still kind of joking around, you're not taking yourself seriously, fine.

01:04:18.000 But if you take it really seriously, I think that's embarrassing and depressing.

01:04:22.000 It's like an untapped potential thing.

01:04:23.000 You're like, this is my skill in life.

01:04:26.000 Yeah.

01:04:26.000 Everybody else here is just here to have fun and, like, scream into the microphone with their friends.

01:04:31.000 I mean, it doesn't have to be sad.

01:04:32.000 Let me...

01:04:34.000 Expand on that.

01:04:35.000 It's just sad if that's your moment.

01:04:38.000 You know what's sad?

01:04:39.000 Unrealized dreams.

01:04:40.000 That's what's sad.

01:04:41.000 If you really wanted to be a musician, and karaoke is the place where you get to flex your muscles, but then you go back to the factory in the morning.

01:04:48.000 That's sad.

01:04:49.000 Yeah, where you wanted to be a pop star, like you wanted to be famous.

01:04:53.000 Yeah.

01:04:54.000 And it's sad because you're behaving as though you think that you're more talented than you actually are.

01:05:01.000 And I'm not sure if deep down inside you believe it, but you kind of project that.

01:05:05.000 Like, I take this really seriously because I'm very good at it and I'm very talented and I can't make a joke about this because that would hurt my ego.

01:05:13.000 I don't even know if it's a talent thing.

01:05:15.000 With music.

01:05:16.000 I know so many talented people now living in Austin.

01:05:19.000 Austin is an amazing place to go see live music. 0.66

01:05:22.000 It's really fucking cool. 0.69

01:05:24.000 There's so much live music here. 0.98

01:05:26.000 But what's stunning is you go to these bars and there's like 15 people in and you see this person on stage and they're fucking amazing.

01:05:34.000 And you're like...

01:05:36.000 But it's the same thing with comedy.

01:05:38.000 There's so many amazing comedians who never really made it.

01:05:42.000 Right?

01:05:43.000 Sort of.

01:05:44.000 Comedy today is more accessible.

01:05:47.000 Like, comedians make it now more than ever before.

01:05:50.000 Talented people, which is great, they get on YouTube, and they put a video up on YouTube, like their own personal thing, and they'll get hundreds of thousands of views, millions of views.

01:06:01.000 And do you make money off of that?

01:06:03.000 Well, it's not just that.

01:06:04.000 It's an advertisement for people to come see you in the clubs.

01:06:07.000 That's really what it is.

01:06:09.000 All comedy specials are just to let everybody know, hey, this guy's good.

01:06:13.000 Hey, look, she's doing it.

01:06:14.000 This is it.

01:06:15.000 You can watch her do this video and then see her when she's at the local club or the local theater. 0.90

01:06:20.000 That's what it is.

01:06:21.000 And that's more accessible now than ever before because the barrier for entry is not as steep.

01:06:27.000 In that, you don't need cooperation.

01:06:29.000 A musician needs a band, unless you're acoustic and you just have a guitar, which is a hard grind too, right?

01:06:35.000 But if you are a comedian, you just need a comedy club.

01:06:40.000 There's so many comedy clubs and everybody's working.

01:06:43.000 There's a lot of working comedians now.

01:06:46.000 But what does it mean to make it as a comedian?

01:06:49.000 Is that your full-time job?

01:06:51.000 Yeah.

01:06:52.000 Full-time job and to be able to sell out a club.

01:06:54.000 Okay.

01:06:55.000 I had this conversation with these guys that opened for me the other day.

01:07:01.000 I was telling them, I'm like, you've gone over the hump.

01:07:07.000 The hardest part is being funny.

01:07:09.000 I go, then it's all about continuing to work and continuing to write and continuing to get better and continuing to write new material.

01:07:16.000 And then getting aligned with a group of other comedians that can help.

01:07:21.000 Because that's a big thing in comedy is people take you on the road with you.

01:07:25.000 Like I take these guys on the road with me and I introduce them to the world.

01:07:29.000 Like if people come to see me, you're going to come to see me, but you're also going to get to see Tony Hinchcliffe.

01:07:34.000 You're also going to get to see Hans Kim. 0.50

01:07:35.000 You're going to get to see Joey Diaz.

01:07:37.000 And through that, these guys have developed careers.

01:07:41.000 So now they can go on the road.

01:07:43.000 Tony sells out big-ass comedy clubs and theaters, and he kills it when he goes on the road.

01:07:48.000 And it's because he did all the right things.

01:07:52.000 And he's a perfect example.

01:07:53.000 Tony self-produced his own special and then sold it to Netflix.

01:07:57.000 He paid for it, did the whole thing.

01:08:00.000 Didn't that happen to Chris...

01:08:02.000 DiStefano?

01:08:05.000 Yeah, I really like him.

01:08:06.000 Yeah, he's great.

01:08:07.000 He just did his own and then Netflix bought it.

01:08:10.000 And Netflix bought it.

01:08:10.000 Ari Shaffir did the same thing.

01:08:12.000 He made his own special, Netflix bought it, and a lot of people do that.

01:08:17.000 It's easier.

01:08:18.000 I don't think it's easier to be a great comedian.

01:08:22.000 No, that would be so hard.

01:08:24.000 It's easier to, if you are a great comedian, it's easier to make a living. 0.99

01:08:29.000 I have friends that are great musicians that are fucking... 0.99

01:08:34.000 Just above poverty. 0.99

01:08:36.000 Yeah, totally.

01:08:37.000 I mean, there's lots of people who are great musicians and they have to keep their day job and they do it in their free time for fun, essentially.

01:08:46.000 You have to bring people with you. 0.98

01:08:47.000 You have to have musicians, have to have fucking sound guys, you have to have the drummer and the guitar player and people that carry your stuff, roadies and trucks for all your shit. 0.98

01:08:59.000 Yeah, but I think, I mean, with musicians and music, it's like being good. 0.99

01:09:03.000 Like, people aren't going to like your music just because you're good.

01:09:06.000 Like, just because you're really talented.

01:09:08.000 Just because you're a really good musician, people aren't necessarily going to want to listen to it. 0.99

01:09:11.000 And that's evidenced by the fact that so many people listen to, like, garbage, crap music. 0.98

01:09:17.000 Right, but isn't that just human taste? 1.00

01:09:19.000 Like, people...

01:09:20.000 Or no taste.

01:09:21.000 I mean...

01:09:23.000 When I was younger, I used to think that way. 1.00

01:09:25.000 I used to think that people who didn't like what I like were idiots, and people who liked things that I hated were morons. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Oh, did you grow out of that? 1.00

01:09:33.000 Yeah, I grew out of that.

01:09:34.000 Okay, we'll see how I do.

01:09:36.000 As I've gotten older, I've looked for less conflict in life at every given opportunity.

01:09:42.000 I just try to find less conflict.

01:09:45.000 And one of the best ways is to not care what other people like.

01:09:49.000 I'm not into mumble rap, but I have friends who love mumble rap.

01:09:53.000 They like to smoke weed and listen to mumble rap.

01:09:56.000 I'm like, okay. 1.00

01:09:57.000 I used to be like, what the fuck are you listening to? 0.99

01:09:59.000 I don't understand a word this guy's saying. 0.99

01:10:01.000 But now I'm like, okay.

01:10:03.000 Okay, I understand that some people like different things than me.

01:10:10.000 But I think when it comes to music, like there's some people who I think genuinely just aren't really into music, which offends me because I'm really into music and I love music.

01:10:20.000 And people who sort of...

01:10:21.000 I feel like there's some people who just turn it on and it's noise and they're like, this is the popular thing.

01:10:25.000 I'm just going to listen to it.

01:10:27.000 That's what I mean by no taste.

01:10:28.000 It's not like people who are...

01:10:30.000 I don't have anything against country.

01:10:32.000 It's not what I listen to in my spare time, but I totally understand and respect why people like country music.

01:10:40.000 And there's some that I like.

01:10:42.000 Do you like Sturgill Simpson?

01:10:43.000 I don't know who that is.

01:10:44.000 Say yes.

01:10:45.000 You know what, dude?

01:10:46.000 I was watching your podcast the other day and you didn't know who Wilco was.

01:10:50.000 I didn't.

01:10:51.000 That's weird.

01:10:52.000 Why is it weird?

01:10:53.000 I know who it is now.

01:10:54.000 Wilco's been around for a long time.

01:10:56.000 What a great story, though.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, beautiful.

01:10:59.000 That was a beautiful story.

01:11:00.000 Listening to that music on headphones, riding a bike next to wild horses and crying because he was so happy because it was such an amazing moment because the song was playing.

01:11:10.000 I think he was buzzed, too.

01:11:12.000 He's always drunk.

01:11:13.000 He's probably drunk.

01:11:14.000 It seems that way.

01:11:15.000 I'm worried about him.

01:11:17.000 Are you really?

01:11:18.000 His face looks like a cherry.

01:11:19.000 I was watching- Is he listening right now?

01:11:21.000 I hope so. 0.99

01:11:22.000 I was watching Two Bears, One Cave the other day, and Bert was on with Tom, and Tom looks like a fucking athlete. 0.93

01:11:28.000 He's lost all this weight, he's fit, he works out twice a day now, and Bert has assumed all of Tom's bad habits and ramped his up as well. 0.96

01:11:37.000 Why do you think that is?

01:11:38.000 I mean, if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to talk specifically about him, but like, why do you people, like, people who sort of, Who fall into alcoholism or not taking care of themselves.

01:11:50.000 And maybe they did at some point and then they just stopped.

01:11:53.000 And I say that, like, I'm thinking of people that I know in my head.

01:11:57.000 I don't know Bert, so I'm not talking about him.

01:11:59.000 But, like, people who are, it's like, you were sort of okay and now you're, like, a daily, like, you get drunk every day.

01:12:08.000 Yeah.

01:12:09.000 I don't know.

01:12:10.000 Well, Bert likes to party.

01:12:11.000 Well, I love to party, and that's never...

01:12:13.000 It's a different kind of party.

01:12:15.000 But I do.

01:12:16.000 I love drinking.

01:12:17.000 I love to party, but I'm super organized about it.

01:12:20.000 I'm super...

01:12:21.000 I work all these days, and then I can go out Thursday night... 0.96

01:12:26.000 And I kind of try to, like, fuck off a bit on the weekends just because otherwise I'd work all the time. 0.87

01:12:30.000 So I try to, like, not check my emails and not go on social media and stuff like that. 0.98

01:12:34.000 But I still do.

01:12:35.000 I often will end up working sometimes on, like, Sunday night or Friday night or something like that.

01:12:40.000 But, like, I don't want to be drunk every day.

01:12:42.000 I love drinking.

01:12:43.000 I love to party. 0.98

01:12:44.000 But I do not want to be drunk or fucked up every day. 0.98

01:12:47.000 Well Burt works a lot. 0.98

01:12:49.000 The thing about Burt is you can't say partying is fucking up his career because it's done the opposite.

01:12:55.000 Like partying has united him with other partiers who come to see him. 0.99

01:12:59.000 But doesn't he feel like shit when he wakes up in the morning? 0.99

01:13:03.000 I would imagine he doesn't feel good, but he does a lot of IVs. 0.99

01:13:06.000 He does a lot of vitamin IVs.

01:13:08.000 Okay.

01:13:09.000 Apparently, he told me when we were hanging out the other day, he got his liver done.

01:13:12.000 He got his blood work done.

01:13:14.000 His liver's okay.

01:13:16.000 Okay, good.

01:13:17.000 That's great to hear.

01:13:18.000 I'm worried about him.

01:13:19.000 I'm genuinely worried about him because he's almost 50 and he goes hard and, you know, he's very overweight and he decided that when his tour was over, he was going to slow way down and he's going to get in shape.

01:13:33.000 So he documented it on Instagram.

01:13:35.000 He documented the size of his gut, size of his chest, like his weight.

01:13:40.000 He put all that stuff down and he's going to Show measured improvement because I think he's off at the end of this month.

01:13:46.000 He's off for three months.

01:13:47.000 So for three whole months He's just gonna exercise and try to eat right and I feel like it would be really hard to stay in shape and eat healthy if you were on the road all the time You can probably speak to this but like even when I used to before COVID I was traveling probably once a month for work like to go to a talk or something and it ends up being a week and then like I can't if I'm traveling I I'm not working out.

01:14:13.000 I'm not exercising.

01:14:14.000 I'm eating on the plane.

01:14:15.000 I'm buying a sandwich at Starbucks.

01:14:17.000 I have to be home to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

01:14:22.000 Healthy for me.

01:14:24.000 I work out four days a week with a trainer and I work really hard.

01:14:30.000 Not out of self-motivation.

01:14:31.000 I'm not self-motivated at all.

01:14:33.000 That's why I have a trainer.

01:14:34.000 My trainer is excellent.

01:14:35.000 His name is Chris at Quilombo in Sayulita.

01:14:37.000 He's so awesome.

01:14:39.000 I was telling you about him earlier.

01:14:40.000 He was a really good boxer.

01:14:43.000 He trained with Canelo.

01:14:45.000 He's really good at jujitsu.

01:14:48.000 He competes.

01:14:48.000 But he's also really into training.

01:14:51.000 He loves it.

01:14:52.000 He loves teaching people things.

01:14:53.000 He loves to see people improve.

01:14:56.000 I go to training because he'll be disappointed if I don't show up.

01:15:03.000 And he pushes me really hard, harder than I would ever push myself.

01:15:08.000 If I was partying, I wouldn't go.

01:15:10.000 That's the other thing.

01:15:11.000 If I'm out getting wasted, I'm not going to be able to get any work done the next day, and I'm not going to exercise, and I'm going to eat bad.

01:15:18.000 It really fucks up your life.

01:15:19.000 So how are you doing 11 shots?

01:15:21.000 I take Fridays off.

01:15:24.000 It's because I have a plan.

01:15:25.000 So Thursday night, I'm being serious.

01:15:27.000 Thursday night is karaoke night.

01:15:28.000 It's my favorite night of the week.

01:15:30.000 It's like run by my friend Zach.

01:15:31.000 You do it every Thursday?

01:15:32.000 Every single Thursday.

01:15:34.000 And that bar is across the street from my house.

01:15:36.000 I can't not go.

01:15:37.000 I'd be sitting inside my house listening and be like, oh, there's my friend singing Pearl Jam.

01:15:43.000 So I may as well just go, but I also love it.

01:15:45.000 But that one day week, the bar stays open until 5am instead of 2am for karaoke night.

01:15:52.000 So I am up until 5, 6am every single Thursday.

01:15:55.000 So Fridays, I don't work out.

01:15:58.000 I don't plan work stuff.

01:16:00.000 I don't schedule interviews.

01:16:01.000 I plan to be in bed until 5pm.

01:16:04.000 This is really interesting.

01:16:06.000 You've kind of cultivated this very idyllic life there.

01:16:10.000 It's very romantic.

01:16:12.000 You're a writer, you're up late at night, you're drinking all the time.

01:16:15.000 There's something about drinking and writing that seem to go hand in hand.

01:16:20.000 Some of my favorite writers were drunks.

01:16:24.000 Okay, I agree with you, but I don't drink if I'm writing.

01:16:27.000 Yeah, you don't have to.

01:16:28.000 If I'm working, I'll have a glass of wine.

01:16:32.000 I have a glass of wine every night or two glasses of wine every night, but I don't get drunk.

01:16:37.000 I love my life.

01:16:38.000 It's amazing.

01:16:39.000 I really wish I made more money because I don't have any savings and I don't own anything.

01:16:45.000 All my friends in BC are depressed.

01:16:49.000 Well, you're a really good writer, you know, and I think it's a matter of time before you do make more money.

01:16:54.000 But maybe it's just also the way you're doing it is kind of interesting, too, with the Patreon or the Substack and that kind of setup.

01:17:01.000 That's a very honest way to live, though.

01:17:03.000 You know, people are only paying you for what they like.

01:17:06.000 It's their choice, their decision, you know?

01:17:08.000 Totally.

01:17:10.000 Anybody can just donate money to me if they support my work.

01:17:14.000 And they do.

01:17:15.000 And I find that really amazing and generous because I don't know if I do that.

01:17:22.000 It's a great relationship.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 And it's liberating for me.

01:17:27.000 I just do what I want to do.

01:17:30.000 I write about what I want to write about.

01:17:32.000 I think about what's important to me.

01:17:33.000 I talk to people I find interesting.

01:17:35.000 Tell me what your sub stack is just so they can find you.

01:17:38.000 It's called The Same Drugs, but I think it's just Megan Murphy at Substack or whatever.

01:17:44.000 Megan with an H. And it's pretty new, but writing is what I want to do.

01:17:50.000 I don't have enough time to write as much as I want to write because I spend so much time on the podcasts and the video stuff and just doing admin work and blah blah blah.

01:17:59.000 Do you think that drinking...

01:18:01.000 There's something about drinking that formulates ideas in my head that don't seem to want to be there without drinking.

01:18:09.000 Like, there's times when drinking, like, bumps you or shoves you into an area of thought where you're laughing about something that maybe you wouldn't have laughed about.

01:18:19.000 Or you have, like, what is...

01:18:20.000 Like, for conversation.

01:18:22.000 It's, like, one of the greatest things for conversation.

01:18:24.000 Totally.

01:18:27.000 And you're drinking whiskey and you're like two drinks in and everyone's laughing and then someone just goes, why is this a thing?

01:18:34.000 And then it's like, I know that's coming from his mind.

01:18:37.000 I know it's all coming from our minds, but there's a part of your mind that opens up when you're drinking.

01:18:43.000 Yep.

01:18:44.000 I mean, I think, yeah, I feel like you can make certain connections or observations about social things as well when you're drinking.

01:18:51.000 But obviously, like, it loosens people up to be more themselves.

01:18:56.000 They're, like, they don't, they're not as aware of what they're doing.

01:18:59.000 They're not as self-conscious.

01:19:00.000 They're not as protective.

01:19:02.000 You know, they're going to be more open.

01:19:03.000 I love that about, like, I love going to the bar and, like, talking to the person who's sitting next to me.

01:19:09.000 Right.

01:19:09.000 I like meeting people at the bar.

01:19:11.000 Right.

01:19:12.000 I would have never done this in Vancouver.

01:19:13.000 In Sayulita, I just go out by myself.

01:19:16.000 It's a small community, so I know lots of people, and I know if I go to the bar, I'm probably going to see a friend.

01:19:21.000 But even if I don't, I'll just go sit at the bar, and the person next to me will start talking to me, and they'll be cool, and I'll learn something, and they'll be interesting.

01:19:30.000 And that's so not the culture.

01:19:32.000 I would have felt so embarrassed to go to a bar by myself.

01:19:36.000 Like, men did that in Vancouver.

01:19:38.000 Men go sit at bars by themselves. 1.00

01:19:39.000 But to be a woman and go sit at a bar by themselves, like, you're going to feel awkward and stupid and embarrassed. 1.00

01:19:45.000 Everyone in Vancouver is so judgy, too. 0.99

01:19:47.000 And you'll feel like people assume you want to be hit on or you're desperate, you have no friends.

01:19:53.000 And it's not, like, I like it.

01:19:55.000 I have friends.

01:19:56.000 And I like being by myself.

01:19:57.000 I like going out to eat by myself.

01:19:59.000 It sounds like you're in a great community.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:20:02.000 It sounds like it's perfect for you.

01:20:03.000 And people don't care what your politics are.

01:20:08.000 Nobody knew what I did or who I was there until I did your podcast and couldn't hide it anymore that I was a bigot.

01:20:22.000 It was really beautiful because I, you know, I had been so ostracized in Vancouver because of the gender identity stuff.

01:20:31.000 Like, I mean, for people who don't know, because I'm critical of gender identity and I don't think men can become women and I want to protect women's rights and protect kids.

01:20:43.000 You know, people in Vancouver, a lot of people just...

01:20:48.000 Ghosted me.

01:20:49.000 Some people said, I can't hang out with you anymore. 0.99

01:20:52.000 You can't come to my birthday party because my friend hates you because she thinks you're a transphobe. 0.99

01:20:58.000 Friends of friends who don't know me at all would basically bully my friends into not hanging out with me.

01:21:05.000 And I was so angry. 1.00

01:21:07.000 I was a little bit hurt, but more just like, fuck you, you fucking pussy. 1.00

01:21:12.000 That is so disrespectful. 1.00

01:21:16.000 You don't disagree with me.

01:21:18.000 You don't dislike me.

01:21:19.000 But you're worried about what your friends will think.

01:21:23.000 And they behaved as though I was causing trouble in their lives because they would end up in these arguments with their friends or in a position where they were being asked to defend me or being asked to condemn me.

01:21:37.000 And it made things stressful for them.

01:21:39.000 And they blamed me.

01:21:40.000 So they would be like, you know, you're making things really hard for me.

01:21:43.000 And I'm like, I'm not doing anything.

01:21:46.000 But in Sayulita, so I did your podcast and I came back and everybody was just really proud of me.

01:21:51.000 It didn't matter what I said.

01:21:54.000 And a lot of people agreed with me.

01:21:56.000 Maybe some people didn't.

01:21:57.000 They were like, good for you.

01:21:58.000 You did a really good job.

01:21:59.000 They're so sweet.

01:22:00.000 One of the problems, Megan, is people agree with you in silence.

01:22:03.000 They agree with you in hushed tones and whispers.

01:22:07.000 They'll say it at the water cooler when no one's around.

01:22:10.000 She's got a point about certain things.

01:22:13.000 Especially when it comes to athletic competition.

01:22:16.000 This is one that's dividing the country right now.

01:22:18.000 It's like this thing where someone can decide or identify as a woman and compete against biological women. 1.00

01:22:28.000 And it turns out the standards that you have to achieve to do that are different everywhere.

01:22:39.000 It's different with the Olympics.

01:22:41.000 It's different with certain organizations won't accept trans athletes.

01:22:45.000 Certain ones will.

01:22:47.000 Certain ones, all you have to do is identify.

01:22:49.000 You don't have to have any proof of what you're doing.

01:22:52.000 Especially when it comes to high school sports and college sports, you are now competing with someone who's trying to get a scholarship. 0.99

01:23:00.000 And if someone is an elite athlete, so say if a woman is an elite athlete in a certain sport, and she has fucking... 1.00

01:23:07.000 Been grinding it out her whole life and then some biological male comes along and identifies as a woman and then a year later is competing against women and has almost supernatural advantages and this is what we're seeing and it doesn't make you a bigot to say that. 0.99

01:23:24.000 This is what's so fucked up about this whole thing. 0.95

01:23:26.000 It's like you can be an open-minded, compassionate person who also sees the truth. 0.98

01:23:32.000 And where the rubber hits the road, in my eyes, is when there's clear classifications of male or female in sports.

01:23:42.000 It's a great example.

01:23:43.000 There's a clear classification.

01:23:45.000 The men don't compete against the women because they have an advantage.

01:23:50.000 We agree to that from the beginning.

01:23:53.000 And we've always known that because otherwise these categories wouldn't exist.

01:23:57.000 And women wouldn't have sports if we didn't know that and we didn't decide if women are going to play sports competitively, if women are going to compete, they have to have their own category because they can't compete against men. 1.00

01:24:08.000 They'll lose.

01:24:10.000 It's not fair.

01:24:11.000 It's that simple.

01:24:12.000 It's not fair.

01:24:13.000 And I don't know what the solution is.

01:24:15.000 I don't think it's necessarily that the trans person should have to compete as a man.

01:24:20.000 I don't think that's the answer either.

01:24:22.000 I don't think there's enough trans people for trans people to compete as trans people, like to win a trans division. 0.59

01:24:28.000 I don't think that's the solution either.

01:24:30.000 I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that there's rules when it comes to competition.

01:24:36.000 One of the rules is you can't take performance-enhancing drugs.

01:24:39.000 Right?

01:24:39.000 Like if you're a person and you want to compete in certain sports, they blood test you.

01:24:46.000 They'll Vata test you. 0.91

01:24:47.000 They'll make sure that you're not doing anything.

01:24:49.000 Well, if you're, let's say, if you're a female to male transgender person, right?

01:24:55.000 So you're a trans man and you want to be competing with other men. 0.96

01:25:02.000 We really don't hear about that, and we're really not upset at that.

01:25:06.000 No one's complaining about that happening, right?

01:25:09.000 But if that person did want to complain, here's what they would say.

01:25:12.000 This person has exogenous testosterone that's not derived from human beings.

01:25:19.000 It's derived from wild yams.

01:25:21.000 Okay, so we do a carbon isotope.

01:25:24.000 I think that's what it is.

01:25:25.000 It's a more complicated test.

01:25:28.000 It's not just recognizing the levels of the test.

01:25:30.000 It's recognizing where the testosterone comes from.

01:25:32.000 We have synthetic testosterone in your system.

01:25:34.000 That's absolutely illegal.

01:25:36.000 Well, if you have synthetic estrogen in your system, is that okay?

01:25:40.000 And how much testosterone are you allowed to have?

01:25:42.000 Because there's a guy named Derek who runs this YouTube show, More Plates, More Dates, and he was going over thresholds.

01:25:48.000 Because he was talking about that woman, the swimmer from Leah Thomas, and he was going over thresholds.

01:25:54.000 He's like, the thresholds that were in certain sports where they test and they say, okay, you can compete as a woman, are like, Way higher than most women are. 0.99

01:26:05.000 Exactly.

01:26:06.000 Exactly.

01:26:07.000 I mean, it's so weird.

01:26:08.000 But you can still compete as a woman. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Yeah.

01:26:10.000 But if you were a woman and you were on steroids, they wouldn't let you compete. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:12.000 This is my point.

01:26:14.000 It's like something's off.

01:26:16.000 This is not fair.

01:26:18.000 And it has nothing to do with someone's identity.

01:26:22.000 Your identity doesn't matter. 0.99

01:26:24.000 It's also, I don't want to change that. 0.98

01:26:26.000 I don't want to affect what your name is or what your pronouns are or any of that shit. 0.94

01:26:30.000 I don't care. 0.98

01:26:30.000 I'm just saying in this thing, we have to recognize this is not, it's not, boom, you're a woman, abracadabra. 0.98

01:26:36.000 It's not a magic wand. 0.99

01:26:37.000 There's some fucking gray area. 0.98

01:26:39.000 And if you don't want to admit that, if you want to pretend that that doesn't exist, well, now we're in a cult. 0.99

01:26:47.000 Now we're ideologically bound to these ideas where you can't even discuss.

01:26:53.000 There's a lot of people I know that are liberal.

01:26:54.000 Where you can't discuss reality and you can't tell the truth.

01:26:56.000 Exactly.

01:26:57.000 You can't ask questions even.

01:26:59.000 Yes.

01:26:59.000 You can't say it.

01:27:00.000 You can't discuss it.

01:27:01.000 Okay.

01:27:01.000 The solution is that if you're male, you have to compete in the male category.

01:27:06.000 And if you're female, you have to compete in the female category. 1.00

01:27:09.000 There's no other solution.

01:27:10.000 The idea of creating a trans category would be fine in theory, but there's not enough trans people for that to make sense. 0.53

01:27:19.000 And my opinion is that if you want to be an athlete, if you want to compete, then you make a decision about whether or not you want to take hormones.

01:27:29.000 And if you're taking hormones, you can't compete, just like everybody else. 0.76

01:27:34.000 Like, you can be trans if you want, but that might take you out of the competition.

01:27:38.000 So you choose what's more important to you.

01:27:41.000 And I'm not saying that to be mean, but there's no other solution.

01:27:44.000 If you're a male, if you've gone through puberty, you have an advantage.

01:27:47.000 Your body is totally different.

01:27:49.000 Like, I just interviewed Taylor Silverman, who is a skateboarder, a female skateboarder, and she lost first place to a so-called trans woman.

01:27:59.000 Um, so a male who was identifying as a woman.

01:28:03.000 And she, it was a Red Bull contest and she contacted Red Bull privately.

01:28:07.000 Like she wasn't trying to make a big show of anything.

01:28:10.000 She's like a wonderful young woman.

01:28:12.000 She's like super articulate, super respectful, super smart.

01:28:16.000 And she's not making a ton of money off of skateboarding. 0.99

01:28:20.000 She's 27 years old.

01:28:21.000 She's not going to be doing this forever.

01:28:22.000 She spoke out because she felt it wasn't fair.

01:28:25.000 She was like, you know, this might affect...

01:28:28.000 If I have kids one day, it might affect my daughter.

01:28:30.000 This doesn't really affect me that much.

01:28:32.000 She contacted Red Bull privately and said, Hey, this happened.

01:28:36.000 I don't think this is fair.

01:28:39.000 I lost out on $2,000.

01:28:42.000 I should have been in first place.

01:28:45.000 A bunch of other stuff.

01:28:45.000 Red Bull totally ignored her.

01:28:46.000 So she posted on social media.

01:28:48.000 She got a ton of traction, a ton of attention, and a ton of support. 0.56

01:28:52.000 And it's like, maybe some people think about skateboarding, and they're like, well, what advantage does a man have over a woman in skateboarding?

01:29:00.000 But your hips move differently.

01:29:03.000 You're jumping.

01:29:04.000 I don't skateboard, so I'm not going to explain this as well as somebody who's skateboarding.

01:29:07.000 But there are advantages and differences in all sorts of subtle ways, as well as in very obvious ways when we're talking about sports like track, swimming, MMA. Jesus Christ, you're beating people up.

01:29:22.000 Well, that's where I came into the conversation.

01:29:24.000 Yeah.

01:29:24.000 When that thing was happening where there was a trans woman who was a male for 30 years who was only transitioned within the last two years and was not telling anybody and saying that it was a medical issue.

01:29:38.000 So she fought two different women that were biological females and beat the fuck out of them. 1.00

01:29:43.000 And that's when I stepped in. 1.00

01:29:45.000 I was like, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

01:29:46.000 This is crazy because I've been around martial arts my whole life. 1.00

01:29:50.000 There's a giant difference.

01:29:51.000 There's a giant difference between men and women.

01:29:53.000 The big one is power.

01:29:55.000 The difference is so stark.

01:29:57.000 It's so different.

01:29:59.000 Like, if you got a powerful person, like someone who's a really hard striker, like a Tyron Woodley.

01:30:06.000 If Tyron Woodley transitioned to be female, How much are you going to deplete him where it's not the most ruthless execution every time he steps into the cage? 0.93

01:30:19.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

01:30:21.000 He's too big for most women. 0.99

01:30:23.000 He's 170 pounds.

01:30:24.000 He was one of the best welterweight champions in the UFC. But if someone was smaller, like 135 pounds, there's women that can beat men. 1.00

01:30:33.000 Make no mistake about it.

01:30:34.000 We talked about it on the podcast recently.

01:30:36.000 In the MMA, do you mean a woman who's skilled could beat a man who's not... 0.96

01:30:40.000 No, women in MMA. Jermaine Durandamy is a multiple-time world kickboxing champion, Muay Thai champion.

01:30:46.000 She was UFC featherweight champion. 1.00

01:30:48.000 She's a fucking savage. 1.00

01:30:50.000 And she fought a man in a boxing match and flatlined him. 1.00

01:30:52.000 How big is she? 1.00

01:30:53.000 How tall is she? 1.00

01:30:54.000 She's tall.

01:30:55.000 She's very tall.

01:30:56.000 I believe she's 5'11 and real long and very wiry and strong. 0.99

01:31:00.000 And she's a phenomenal striker. 0.90

01:31:02.000 Okay, so is that about...

01:31:03.000 You want to see it?

01:31:04.000 Yeah, totally.

01:31:05.000 I'm like, I'm really into MMA now.

01:31:08.000 I mean, I know that I don't know because I text you and I'm like, why did this person win?

01:31:13.000 I'm a big fan of her.

01:31:14.000 She's got a lightning bolt right hand. 1.00

01:31:16.000 So she's fighting a dude and the dude is not on her level. 1.00

01:31:19.000 Definitely not on her level, but he's still a fucking dude. 0.99

01:31:21.000 She's awesome. 1.00

01:31:22.000 And look, he hit her with a big fucking shot there. 1.00

01:31:25.000 She's amazing. 1.00

01:31:25.000 Clubbed her in the break. 1.00

01:31:26.000 Dude, she's a demon. 1.00

01:31:27.000 You've got to watch her fight.

01:31:28.000 She has one of the most technical stand-up games in all of MMA today. 1.00

01:31:34.000 She's really good on her feet.

01:31:36.000 Really good.

01:31:36.000 Look at that right hand.

01:31:37.000 And so this dude is just- She's awesome.

01:31:39.000 She's in there.

01:31:42.000 She's good.

01:31:43.000 So watch it here.

01:31:44.000 No, no, no.

01:31:44.000 You almost had it.

01:31:45.000 You almost had it to where the KO is.

01:31:47.000 Okay, this is it right here?

01:31:49.000 It goes into this corner.

01:31:50.000 Yeah, that's when they're going to go to this corner on the left, and that's where the KO happens.

01:31:54.000 But it's really crazy because the guy was hurting her.

01:31:57.000 I mean, he was really, like, here it is.

01:32:00.000 One, two, three, and watch this.

01:32:02.000 Watch this perfect right hand.

01:32:03.000 Because the dude's swarming on her, right?

01:32:06.000 And as soon as they break feet, BAM! Dude!

01:32:10.000 I mean, that is fucking picture perfect. 0.99

01:32:13.000 That dude got wrecked. 0.99

01:32:16.000 Amazing.

01:32:17.000 But that's the kind of technique that she has. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Why did she get to fight a dude? 0.92

01:32:19.000 How did this happen?

01:32:20.000 It's not in America. 0.64

01:32:21.000 Where is it?

01:32:22.000 I believe it was in Holland.

01:32:23.000 And was it like she was like, I want to fight a dude?

01:32:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:32:27.000 She just said, I'll fucking fuck you up, bitch. 1.00

01:32:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:32.000 So she agreed to fight a guy.

01:32:33.000 But that also happened with one of the great women boxers of the 80s and 90s, this woman named Lucia Riker.

01:32:39.000 And Lucia Riker was also a world Muay Thai champion, and she was the most dangerous female boxer for years. 0.98

01:32:45.000 And they were always trying to set her up with Christy Martin.

01:32:48.000 Remember Christy Martin, the coal miner's daughter?

01:32:50.000 She was like a famous female boxer. 1.00

01:32:53.000 Wait, did she write a book or an autobiography or something like that?

01:32:55.000 I think you're thinking of the singer.

01:32:58.000 What's that woman's name? 1.00

01:32:58.000 Thinking of a singer? 1.00

01:32:59.000 No, I'm thinking of a boxer.

01:33:03.000 Oh my god.

01:33:05.000 That's not what I'm thinking of.

01:33:07.000 Clearly I don't know what this person is.

01:33:10.000 But isn't there an original song?

01:33:12.000 Well, I would imagine she's singing.

01:33:14.000 I'm not sure who that is.

01:33:16.000 I don't want to double down on this because I was thinking of a boxer who was a woman who wrote a book.

01:33:21.000 So this was my point.

01:33:22.000 They never fought, but everybody always felt like Lucia Riker was the better boxer. 0.99

01:33:27.000 People that were martial arts enthusiasts in boxers, they thought that Lucia Riker was the woman, the one to beat. 0.99

01:33:33.000 So she fought a dude, but she got knocked out.

01:33:36.000 And it's rough, because it's the same sort of situation.

01:33:38.000 See if you can find out.

01:33:39.000 I mean, I feel like these kinds of things would be the things where people are like, well, I guess women can compete against men, so why are we keeping trans? 0.99

01:33:48.000 But this is an exception.

01:33:49.000 She's an outlier of all outliers.

01:33:52.000 I mean, Jermaine Durand to me is a multiple-time world champion.

01:33:57.000 She's elite. 1.00

01:33:58.000 Like, when I watch her hit the pads, it's like, I could just, wow.

01:34:02.000 It's like beautiful.

01:34:03.000 Da-da-bang! 0.98

01:34:04.000 Da-da-bang! 0.98

01:34:05.000 Like everything is smooth. 1.00

01:34:06.000 When she's moving in, it's like you're watching a fucking executioner. 1.00

01:34:10.000 It's beautiful to watch. 1.00

01:34:12.000 But that's an outlier.

01:34:14.000 That's the top of the food chain.

01:34:16.000 That's literally right here.

01:34:17.000 World champion. 1.00

01:34:19.000 Everybody else is fucked. 1.00

01:34:21.000 Because Lucia Riker was a world champion, and the guy that she fought was not. 1.00

01:34:25.000 He was just not.

01:34:26.000 He was okay.

01:34:27.000 But no way was he in the level that she was.

01:34:31.000 Look at this.

01:34:31.000 And that's Lucia Riker.

01:34:34.000 And she gets cracked somewhere in there. 0.99

01:34:37.000 This is a Muay Thai fight, that's right.

01:34:39.000 And she gets KO'd.

01:34:43.000 As a woman, she was just one of the- actually, this dude's a lot better than I give him credit for.

01:34:48.000 She's so intense.

01:34:49.000 The dude is a lot better than I give credit for.

01:34:51.000 I'm thinking it's something different here.

01:34:53.000 I might have confused this- there it is right there.

01:34:56.000 There it is.

01:34:57.000 There it is.

01:34:58.000 She gets KO'd.

01:34:59.000 That guy's a lot better than I thought he was.

01:35:01.000 You know, I think when I first saw this, I was probably upset that he knocked her out and I probably disparaged his skill.

01:35:12.000 But that was a beautiful left hand I'm definitely another one that was yeah, I mean that guy's good What do you do you think that the guy is like how often does this happen where men and women very rarely?

01:35:23.000 Yeah, that's an example They probably both weigh the same weight, but the amount of power that that guy had like that left It's funny cuz she looks bigger than him I mean, maybe she's taller.

01:35:32.000 She's also wearing a t-shirt.

01:35:33.000 She looks bigger and, like, tougher than he does.

01:35:35.000 Like, he looks tiny.

01:35:36.000 But maybe that's just because you expect men to be bigger. 1.00

01:35:38.000 This is shit grain footage, right? 0.99

01:35:42.000 It's not that good. 0.99

01:35:42.000 Oh, so he's a tie as well. 0.99

01:35:44.000 He versus he. 0.99

01:35:45.000 Sam Chai Jai Di.

01:35:47.000 Yeah, it's from New Zealand.

01:35:49.000 I mean, but people who defend trans women being able to compete against women in sport do use these random examples where it's like, oh, you know, well, so-and-so is faster, or so-and-so beats so-and-so.

01:36:05.000 But it's like, that's not common.

01:36:07.000 And to me, the sports thing is so great and interesting because it reaches...

01:36:15.000 Every normal person who was not engaged in the debate around gender identity, which was primarily for so long.

01:36:23.000 It really was, like, I don't think people knew this, but it was really, it was radical feminists. 1.00

01:36:29.000 Like, Janice Raymond wrote a book about transgenderism and how it was, like, dangerous to women and women's rights in 1979. What?

01:36:37.000 Yes!

01:36:38.000 It's called The Transsexual Empire. 1.00

01:36:40.000 I didn't know.

01:36:41.000 And it's a good book.

01:36:42.000 It's interesting.

01:36:43.000 I didn't know that it was that big of a political issue back then.

01:36:46.000 And then, like, Gloria Steinem in the late 70s, I think, said something critical about, there was like a tennis player, a male tennis player.

01:36:59.000 Winnie Richards.

01:37:00.000 They used to call them, okay, I think you're right.

01:37:03.000 I'm really bad with names, so I apologize.

01:37:05.000 The one that transitioned? 0.97

01:37:06.000 Oh yeah, the coal miner's daughter. 0.86

01:37:06.000 The one that transitioned? 0.86

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, that was a famous story.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 In the late 70s and 80s, and radical feminists were, like, not having it at all. 1.00

01:37:37.000 Like, it's only recently that all these so-called feminists started to come around and say trans women are women. 1.00

01:37:43.000 And even then, the radical feminists are the ones that have been fighting this for so long. 1.00

01:37:47.000 Julie Bendel, who is a UK journalist, wrote an article in 2004 for The Guardian about what happened at Vancouver Rape Relief, which is a...

01:38:00.000 It's a rape crisis line and a transition house for women escaping domestic abuse. 1.00

01:38:05.000 And a trans woman, Kimberly Nixon, came to training for counselors.

01:38:12.000 So counselors who were there at the house working with women who were escaping serious domestic abuse and sexual assault.

01:38:20.000 And the women who were doing the training were like, you know, sorry, you're a man. 1.00

01:38:24.000 Only women are allowed to train as counselors here. 0.99

01:38:26.000 They only had women employees, volunteers. 0.98

01:38:27.000 Only women are allowed in the house. 1.00

01:38:30.000 And Kimberly Nixon took them to court, to the Human Rights Tribunal.

01:38:35.000 Vancouver Rape Relief went all the way to the Supreme Court and won.

01:38:39.000 They won the right to determine their own membership.

01:38:42.000 They didn't win, you know, trans women or men.

01:38:46.000 And Julie Bindel wrote about that case in 2004. Radical feminists were trying to warn people about what was happening and what was going to happen if we allowed this to go on. 1.00

01:38:57.000 And nobody listened.

01:38:58.000 And now it's almost too late.

01:38:59.000 And, you know, whatever.

01:39:01.000 This is how things go.

01:39:02.000 And nobody listens to radical feminists. 1.00

01:39:04.000 This is a very marginal political movement.

01:39:07.000 Yeah.

01:39:09.000 But, like...

01:39:11.000 It's very frustrating to me because now we're seeing I don't want to categorize people because, you know, I was going to say right-wing men, but I like a lot of right-wing men.

01:39:25.000 There's a lot of right-wing people who are great.

01:39:28.000 A lot of people who really do care about women's rights.

01:39:30.000 But we're seeing some right-wing men like showing up online and being like, where are all the feminists on this issue? 0.97

01:39:37.000 How come I'm the only person brave enough to say that men aren't women and to speak up?

01:39:42.000 And it's like, dude, we have been...

01:39:44.000 I'm trying to be heard.

01:39:47.000 I couldn't get anything published on this.

01:39:49.000 Like, when Bill C-16, Canada's gender identity legislation, showed up, the Liberals were trying to push it through in 2016, I pitched to everywhere to say, these are my concerns with regards specifically to the impact on women's rights.

01:40:06.000 These are the issues I have with this ideology.

01:40:08.000 I think it's regressive.

01:40:09.000 I think it's sexist.

01:40:10.000 I think it's dangerous.

01:40:12.000 Nobody would publish anything.

01:40:14.000 The Canadian media would not have me on.

01:40:16.000 They would not interview me.

01:40:17.000 Every single event that we tried to plan, we'd get threatened.

01:40:23.000 The venues would pull out.

01:40:24.000 This happened in the UK. This happened in the US. I'm so grateful that I had my own platform and my own website so that I could write about this stuff and so that I could interview women who were doing work on this issue and interview people who were experts.

01:40:42.000 Because otherwise, I don't know where I would have said any of this stuff.

01:40:47.000 We finally pushed and pushed and pushed to host talks and that forced the media to cover it a bit.

01:40:54.000 I don't know why I started complaining about this, except that it makes me really mad.

01:40:58.000 That's why.

01:40:59.000 I don't know who I was talking to about this, but the conversation essentially was...

01:41:05.000 This person I was talking to, whoever it was, I forgive them.

01:41:09.000 Forgive me, please.

01:41:10.000 she was saying that the problem becomes a lot of people that are women who have these groups that are dedicated just to women and then a trans woman will come in these groups and behave like a man and and bring like a man's attitude to this thing and she's like it's specific and it's not discussed so it's this thing that happens where they start to Acting male,

01:41:40.000 for lack of a better term.

01:41:42.000 So, like, she was talking about taking over things, running things, like, being, like, very outspoken and aggressive with their opinions about things in almost an intimidating way.

01:41:53.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 A way like a man does it. 0.98

01:41:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:41:55.000 There was a fucking anti-abortion, or anti, um, a pro-choice rally. 0.99

01:42:01.000 And, uh, this trans woman was screaming with the deepest voice, keep your laws out of my pussy. 1.00

01:42:07.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:42:08.000 It was so wild.

01:42:10.000 And that's just, like, domineering behavior.

01:42:12.000 Like, I don't...

01:42:13.000 But they weren't even trying to hide.

01:42:15.000 I mean, it was such a masculine voice.

01:42:19.000 Well, and that's...

01:42:19.000 I'm like, I don't believe that you believe it.

01:42:21.000 Like, those...

01:42:22.000 I'm like, you don't think you're a woman. 0.77

01:42:24.000 Give me a break. 0.99

01:42:25.000 You're just being a bully. 0.79

01:42:26.000 That might be like a Louderworth Crowder sketch.

01:42:29.000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of it seems like satire, and it's hard to tell which is satire and which is real.

01:42:34.000 It's very hard to tell.

01:42:35.000 That's the problem, is that things are getting blurry, and...

01:42:38.000 But I think a lot of men, you know, identify as women or trans women specifically so that they can act like bullies. 0.65

01:42:46.000 Not all of them.

01:42:46.000 Some people just want to be themselves and that's fine.

01:42:49.000 Go be yourself.

01:42:49.000 I don't care.

01:42:50.000 But like so that you can insert yourself into spaces and conversation and take over.

01:42:55.000 I think that the kind of men who identify as women or trans women who go into women's change rooms or bathrooms...

01:43:05.000 Or there was that guy at the spa in LA. I think that they want to make women feel uncomfortable.

01:43:15.000 You know that you're making women feel...

01:43:16.000 You're parading around naked in a change room, in a women's change room, or at a woman-only spa.

01:43:22.000 You know that you're making people feel uncomfortable, and you're doing it anyway. 1.00

01:43:26.000 You're an asshole, and you're a pervert. 1.00

01:43:29.000 Well, you can't say that. 1.00

01:43:31.000 You can't say that.

01:43:33.000 Or you'll get banned from Twitter.

01:43:35.000 You're going to get in trouble.

01:43:36.000 Sorry, I hope I don't get you in trouble.

01:43:38.000 What is this?

01:43:38.000 Unhinged.

01:43:39.000 A hairy armpit individual with green hair chants, keep your laws out of my pussy. 1.00

01:43:43.000 Is that it? 1.00

01:43:45.000 I don't believe so.

01:43:46.000 I bet there was more of those.

01:43:48.000 There's a lie.

01:43:48.000 That looks like a real woman.

01:43:50.000 I couldn't tell.

01:43:51.000 That could be a woman that does CrossFit. 1.00

01:43:54.000 She doesn't look in that good shape, or he.

01:43:57.000 No, she doesn't, but if she's an overweight woman who does a lot of overhead presses, it's possible that's a woman. 1.00

01:44:01.000 There are some women who look mannish. 0.90

01:44:04.000 Mannish?

01:44:04.000 In MMA, for example.

01:44:05.000 Up to a fucking certain level. 0.99

01:44:06.000 But you can tell. 0.99

01:44:07.000 Yeah, up to a level. 1.00

01:44:08.000 You sit up next to Yoel Romero, you know who's the fucking woman. 1.00

01:44:12.000 I find it hilarious that when trans activists pretend that nobody can tell. 1.00

01:44:18.000 Like, oh, well, you probably had trans women in your bathroom your whole life, you didn't know. 1.00

01:44:22.000 And it's like, everybody knows.

01:44:24.000 You know who a man is, you know who a woman is. 0.87

01:44:26.000 Like, there's very few that, like, are sort of ambiguous, but for the most part, it's obvious.

01:44:31.000 And sometimes it's not even, oh, would you like some more Garcia?

01:44:35.000 Ha ha ha!

01:44:36.000 We just had a last sip.

01:44:37.000 No.

01:44:38.000 Okay.

01:44:38.000 You're not going to try it.

01:44:39.000 Okay.

01:44:40.000 That's nasty.

01:44:40.000 That's okay.

01:44:40.000 You can try it another time.

01:44:41.000 That's nasty.

01:44:43.000 This is actually good.

01:44:47.000 It's good.

01:44:48.000 Anyway.

01:44:48.000 But the thing is, you can't even have that on the table.

01:44:51.000 When you have an open door, right?

01:44:53.000 And you say, all you have to do is identify, and then you can be around these people.

01:44:57.000 You must open the door to the possibility that perverts are going to go in there. 0.94

01:45:01.000 If you want to pretend that to be trans excludes the possibility of you being a pervert, that's crazy. 1.00

01:45:08.000 It's totally possible that someone could say they identify as trans.

01:45:12.000 I'm not saying that people are doing this.

01:45:14.000 I'm saying it's totally possible.

01:45:16.000 This must be considered.

01:45:17.000 And people have been assaulted.

01:45:21.000 Biological males have gone into females' bathrooms and assaulted them. 1.00

01:45:24.000 It's a fucked up individual more than it is indicative of trans people overall. 1.00

01:45:30.000 I'm not saying it's about trans people being predators, it's about some males who are predators and use that as a way to get away with it. 0.99

01:45:40.000 There was also something, I forget who told me this too, it might have been Bridget, autogynephilia.

01:45:48.000 Yes. 0.93

01:45:48.000 When I say pervert, or when I say fetishist, I know it sounds offensive if I'm like, these men are men with fetishes. 0.93

01:45:59.000 There's research on this. 0.97

01:46:01.000 Men who transition when they're younger tend to be gay men. 0.76

01:46:06.000 I think it's Ray Blanchard that did this research, tend to be gay men. 0.60

01:46:12.000 And men who transition when they're older, middle-aged, tend to be heterosexual men with fetishes, with what might be called cross-dressing fetishes. 0.55

01:46:22.000 They're turned on by wearing women's clothes and by the idea of wearing women's clothes in public, and by the idea of passing as a woman. 1.00

01:46:33.000 Obviously, none of them pass as women. 0.98

01:46:35.000 But it's a fetish, and it's called autogonophilia.

01:46:39.000 And, you know, a lot of people have talked about this being part of the reason that transgenderism became mainstream, became part of the LGBTQ activism stuff,

01:46:54.000 and why they attach themselves to this born-this-way mantra.

01:47:01.000 Like, some people are just born trans.

01:47:03.000 And why this idea of trans kids exists. 0.80

01:47:06.000 Like, some kids are just born in the wrong body.

01:47:08.000 And some babies are assigned male and, in fact, they're girls.

01:47:15.000 Because these guys wanted to legitimize their...

01:47:21.000 Fetishes and their preferred identities, so they had to pretend that it was something innate.

01:47:26.000 They had to push this narrative that it was something innate, that it wasn't just about them, you know, having this fetish or wearing this clothing.

01:47:32.000 But how could you know that, though?

01:47:33.000 How could you know that some people aren't born and they feel like they're in the wrong body?

01:47:37.000 Like some boys who are born and they feel like, I'm supposed to be a girl.

01:47:42.000 Doesn't matter.

01:47:42.000 So you feel like you're supposed to be a girl.

01:47:44.000 You're not your boy.

01:47:46.000 So what?

01:47:47.000 I think that for some people then it's a mental illness and we're not allowed to say that.

01:47:53.000 But is it absolutely a mental illness?

01:47:56.000 Here's the question.

01:47:57.000 If someone is born male but they feel in every fiber of their being that they're supposed to be a woman and they're healthy every other way, Is that really mental illness or is there some wiring that should be male and is female?

01:48:14.000 Some not understood mechanism that makes someone feel like they're a woman or feel like they're a boy?

01:48:21.000 Okay, so mental condition.

01:48:22.000 Then don't call it mental illness.

01:48:24.000 Call it a mental condition.

01:48:25.000 If you're a male and you feel certain that you're actually supposed to be female, You hate your male body parts so much to such an extent that you cannot live comfortably. 0.69

01:48:40.000 You have to get rid of them.

01:48:41.000 And to be clear, go ahead and do that.

01:48:44.000 You're an adult.

01:48:45.000 You have the right to get cosmetic surgeries.

01:48:47.000 I think that surgeons should be more accountable and culpable and warn people about the dangers and about the fact that they might not be able to orgasm again or it might be mangled.

01:48:57.000 These are real serious, dangerous surgeries.

01:49:01.000 But, you know, that's a mental condition.

01:49:04.000 Just, like, if you were a man and you believed so strongly, like, there's those people that get, like, you know, lizard, you know, they get, like, bone, like, what are those?

01:49:14.000 Implants.

01:49:14.000 Implants in their foreheads and they, like, get rid of their noses.

01:49:19.000 Have you ever seen the Black Alien Project? 0.98

01:49:19.000 Yes! 0.98

01:49:19.000 Have you ever seen the Black Alien Project? 0.98

01:49:20.000 Yes!

01:49:20.000 Have you seen him lately, Jamie?

01:49:22.000 He chopped off two of his fingers to try to emulate what he believes would be an alien claw.

01:49:28.000 So in one of his hands, he only has two fingers.

01:49:30.000 And I think he's going to do it to the other hand, too.

01:49:32.000 What is that?

01:49:32.000 And now he's also implanted all these beads all over his arm.

01:49:37.000 So he has like a spiral of beads over his arm.

01:49:39.000 Like, what is that?

01:49:40.000 Look at his right hand.

01:49:41.000 What is this?

01:49:42.000 Like, why would somebody do this?

01:49:44.000 Look what he's doing to his arm.

01:49:46.000 He's turning himself into like an alien.

01:49:48.000 Like this should be like whoever, whatever surgeon is doing this to him I think is unethical.

01:49:53.000 It's really, did he chop off his top finger to it or is he tucking it in?

01:49:59.000 Oh, there he is, yeah.

01:50:00.000 You know, he's got two fingers on one hand.

01:50:02.000 But, like, look at this, everything about him.

01:50:04.000 Do you think this person was traumatized as a child?

01:50:07.000 Something happened.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:08.000 You know what's interesting?

01:50:09.000 There's photos of him when he was younger, before he got all this stuff done, and he's a good-looking guy.

01:50:14.000 It's like, what he's doing is, like, really bizarre.

01:50:17.000 Like, he was, like, gifted by nature with great genetics.

01:50:23.000 Look, he's got his eyeballs tattooed.

01:50:26.000 This is so messed up, dude.

01:50:26.000 Yeah, this is what I was talking about the nose thing.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, he's got his nose removed.

01:50:30.000 He just has an open hole where his nose used to be.

01:50:33.000 It's so crazy.

01:50:35.000 That's what he looks like.

01:50:36.000 And is this because he believes that he's actually an alien?

01:50:40.000 No, it's a good body modification project, I believe.

01:50:43.000 I think he speaks Spanish.

01:50:45.000 Is that what it is?

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, he speaks Spanish.

01:50:49.000 I feel like this person must have severe childhood trauma.

01:50:53.000 Something's up.

01:50:54.000 I mean, they've got his ears removed, too.

01:50:56.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:51:00.000 That is so crazy.

01:51:01.000 Okay, but I mean... 0.96

01:51:03.000 That's so goddamn crazy. 0.91

01:51:04.000 So those cuts on the side must be where they put those brow implants. 0.98

01:51:07.000 Lord. 1.00

01:51:08.000 Holy fucking shit. 1.00

01:51:10.000 Who's doing this to this man? 1.00

01:51:11.000 A lot of people, I bet.

01:51:13.000 Yeah.

01:51:14.000 I mean, that's the other thing.

01:51:15.000 Oh, there you go.

01:51:16.000 Work by my bro.

01:51:17.000 All right, let's check out your bro.

01:51:20.000 Oh, that guy's got his tongue split.

01:51:22.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:51:26.000 No!

01:51:27.000 What is that?

01:51:29.000 What is that?

01:51:29.000 I don't even know what bone that is.

01:51:31.000 Is that someone's back?

01:51:33.000 What is that?

01:51:34.000 What are we looking at?

01:51:36.000 What does it say up there?

01:51:38.000 Fresh works, it says.

01:51:40.000 Genital implants.

01:51:41.000 No!

01:51:43.000 No!

01:51:44.000 Why are we looking?

01:51:45.000 No!

01:51:47.000 No! 1.00

01:51:47.000 God damn it! 1.00

01:51:49.000 They're looking at a dick this whole time. 1.00

01:51:52.000 Oh, go back. 1.00

01:51:53.000 Go back to that. 0.99

01:51:54.000 It says it's a dick. 1.00

01:51:55.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:51:56.000 So you only see the top of the dick. 0.99

01:51:58.000 So it's like side dick skin. 0.99

01:52:00.000 Look how great. 1.00

01:52:01.000 That guy's got a hairy ass dick. 1.00

01:52:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:03.000 I don't want to pluck those hairs, son. 1.00

01:52:05.000 Look at that.

01:52:06.000 I thought that was like his back. 0.96

01:52:08.000 Do you think that he's having sex with people? 1.00

01:52:12.000 I bet that shit's gonna hurt. 1.00

01:52:14.000 I bet there's not that many people. 1.00

01:52:16.000 Well, there's probably other weirdos who are like, I want to have sex with an alien. 1.00

01:52:20.000 They have dick butt plugs. 1.00

01:52:22.000 It's like a butt plug. 1.00

01:52:23.000 That's what it is. 1.00

01:52:24.000 He's turning his dick into a butt plug. 1.00

01:52:25.000 So it's got all those like humps. 1.00

01:52:27.000 That's what it is.

01:52:28.000 It's like beads. 0.97

01:52:29.000 You know, people use anal beads. 1.00

01:52:31.000 So it's for men, not for women. 1.00

01:52:32.000 It's for butts. 1.00

01:52:34.000 It might be for women. 1.00

01:52:35.000 No, women don't like anal sex, and this is a hill that I'm going to die on. 1.00

01:52:40.000 Women don't have a prostate. 1.00

01:52:42.000 Like, men and some women are so stupid about this thing, because they're like, I like anal sex. 1.00

01:52:48.000 So do you think women are saying, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. 1.00

01:52:52.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:52:53.000 What is happening here? 1.00

01:52:55.000 He's got his eyeballs tattooed, but it looks like...

01:52:57.000 Oh, they're tattooed!

01:52:59.000 Wild colors.

01:53:01.000 That is awful.

01:53:02.000 It looks cool, but that's crazy.

01:53:04.000 It looks cool for now.

01:53:05.000 I think this qualifies as self-harm.

01:53:07.000 I think it's the same concept, but way more extreme of cutting.

01:53:11.000 Well, the thing about this one is this doesn't turn back.

01:53:13.000 You can't turn that around.

01:53:15.000 Nope.

01:53:16.000 Once you get your eyeballs tattooed, your eyeballs are tattooed forever.

01:53:20.000 That's crazy.

01:53:23.000 It's just like people are doing things to themselves and, you know...

01:53:27.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:53:29.000 Look at that girl! 1.00

01:53:30.000 Oh my god, look at her eyes! 1.00

01:53:32.000 I think a lot of this kind of thing is like trauma and then it's like attention and wanting to feel special and wanting...

01:53:39.000 Okay, I see.

01:53:41.000 Some kind of narcissism.

01:53:42.000 Wait a minute, that guy with the split tongue right there.

01:53:43.000 Hold on, go back.

01:53:44.000 That one right there. 1.00

01:53:45.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:53:46.000 So gross. 1.00

01:53:47.000 Oh my god. 0.86

01:53:49.000 Jesus Christ, that is so crazy.

01:53:51.000 How do you think these people make a living?

01:53:55.000 Starbucks.

01:53:55.000 Baristas.

01:53:58.000 They're queer activists.

01:54:00.000 Oh, that was mean.

01:54:04.000 Sometimes.

01:54:05.000 I mean, I'm saying all this while I'm covered in tattoos.

01:54:07.000 My arms are sleeved up.

01:54:10.000 Yeah, but I feel like tattoos, I mean, that's cross-cultural.

01:54:13.000 Like, people have always done that kind of thing.

01:54:15.000 I like tattoos. 0.90

01:54:16.000 I just don't like your eyeballs done and fucking bolts put in your head But so to go back to that what we're talking about if someone feels like they've been a girl their whole life Doesn't make them actually a girl so you so where does that? 0.98

01:54:34.000 Where should that preclude them from sports should preclude them from? 0.99

01:54:40.000 women's bathrooms like I think it should preclude them from competing against and with women in sport. 1.00

01:54:48.000 I think...

01:54:50.000 I mean...

01:54:51.000 I don't know...

01:54:53.000 I mean, the bathroom thing's funny because I don't know that they're...

01:54:58.000 Like...

01:55:00.000 I feel like you know.

01:55:01.000 If you're a man, you don't go into women's bathrooms. 1.00

01:55:05.000 You don't want to make women feel scared or uncomfortable.

01:55:08.000 Unless you do.

01:55:09.000 Unless you do.

01:55:10.000 That's what you're trying to do.

01:55:11.000 I don't think this is such a complicated issue as people are making it out to me.

01:55:16.000 I think everybody knows what bathroom they should go into.

01:55:19.000 Prisons, if you're male, you've got to stay in the male prison. 0.93

01:55:23.000 You cannot be transferred to the female prison. 1.00

01:55:25.000 But how are you going to get anybody pregnant? 0.97

01:55:26.000 Exactly.

01:55:27.000 If you don't get transferred to the female prison. 1.00

01:55:29.000 How are these women going to have babies? 1.00

01:55:31.000 It's not hilarious that one biological male got two women pregnant.

01:55:38.000 Here's the question.

01:55:39.000 If you're a biological male and say you've transitioned and you want to be identified as a female and go to a female prison if you get arrested, do you have to take estrogen?

01:55:49.000 No.

01:55:50.000 So you could just stop taking estrogen?

01:55:51.000 I don't think you have to do anything.

01:55:52.000 I think you just have to identify as a woman and apply and say, I'm a woman. 0.74

01:55:57.000 What a wacky move. 1.00

01:55:58.000 Because you can keep your dick and all your hormones and everything rock and roll and just slinging dick all over the cell block. 1.00

01:56:08.000 Well, and in Canada, I've talked to women who have been in prison with men and there are sexual assaults that have gone on in women's prisons perpetrated by men. 1.00

01:56:24.000 How long have they been allowed them to do that, to go to women's prisons? 1.00

01:56:29.000 I don't know when it started exactly, but at least a few years.

01:56:32.000 And now, obviously, it's getting worse because this has been further entrenched in the law.

01:56:38.000 How did that happen, do you think?

01:56:39.000 This is what's really interesting.

01:56:40.000 It's not just acceptance.

01:56:43.000 It's a celebration and a societal shaming of people who question it and talk about it.

01:56:53.000 This is not a... 0.99

01:56:56.000 You know, like there's people that are shitty people. 0.97

01:56:58.000 They don't like people for whatever reason, whether they don't like gay people, they don't like trans people, they don't like all kinds of people. 0.98

01:57:04.000 But I'm not even talking about that.

01:57:06.000 I'm talking about like just there's a mantra that almost you have to say, like trans women are women.

01:57:13.000 And you say that.

01:57:14.000 And so if you don't say that, and you even discuss it, if you talk about things like, hey, you know, that swimmer was number 462 with the men, and now she's number one as a woman.

01:57:26.000 Like, maybe that's not fair.

01:57:27.000 Like, maybe if that was your kid going to that school, you wouldn't think it's fair. 0.99

01:57:31.000 People would fucking blow up at you. 0.99

01:57:33.000 They'll get mad at you. 0.99

01:57:34.000 There's a certain amount of people that feel like this is their chance to show their loyalty to this ideology and they'll argue it in a very aggressive way.

01:57:46.000 It's interesting because how many people are we talking about?

01:57:51.000 How many people is this actually affecting where The discussion has gone through the entire culture.

01:57:57.000 It's really interesting in that way.

01:57:59.000 So what happened?

01:58:01.000 And what rocketed that to the position that it's in now?

01:58:04.000 I mean, the prison issue specifically, I believe that was just about the Canadian government not wanting to deal with this problem.

01:58:14.000 And they're like, okay, sure, fine.

01:58:16.000 Because in Canada, the Canadian government will not discuss or acknowledge that this is really happening Nor will the Canadian media.

01:58:25.000 You know, there are women who are ex-inmates who are fighting this. 1.00

01:58:31.000 And some, you know, women, you know, radical feminists who are fighting this. 1.00

01:58:38.000 But the Canadian government will not engage with them, will not acknowledge.

01:58:44.000 I mean, essentially, they've determined that protecting You know, protecting themselves from controversy, protecting themselves from being, you know, attacked by trans activists or criticized or whatever.

01:58:58.000 They're just going to let this happen.

01:58:59.000 And who cares what the result is for the women in prison who are having to share their cells with men who are impregnating them? 1.00

01:59:08.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:59:09.000 I mean, they're just, they're being completely cowardly and completely unethical.

01:59:15.000 But it's so weird that that's made its way into law enforcement.

01:59:18.000 Like, that's what's weird to me.

01:59:19.000 And even the military.

01:59:20.000 Like, I've seen, and I've seen a lot of, like, Special Forces guys and Navy SEALs and some...

01:59:28.000 Like, high-level guys that are super upset with this.

01:59:31.000 Super upset with this.

01:59:32.000 What's happening in the military?

01:59:34.000 Wokeness making its way and woke language making its way into the military.

01:59:38.000 And they're like, hey, we're in the business...

01:59:40.000 Like, Tim Kennedy said this. 0.97

01:59:41.000 He said, we are in the business of killing bad guys.

01:59:45.000 And anything that gets in the way of killing bad guys is not something we're going to tolerate.

01:59:52.000 Like, they're just not interested.

01:59:54.000 Like, you can't have that get to that level.

01:59:56.000 You have, like... 0.98

01:59:57.000 These Special Forces guys who have to do these insane operations under extreme pressure, very high likelihood of death, and you can't have any bullshit there.

02:00:10.000 You have to have the best trained, most qualified, everything has to be accurate, everybody has to form as a unit. 0.99

02:00:17.000 You can't have any bullshit there. 0.98

02:00:19.000 And if you've got some ideological bullshit, like you have to say this, or we have to have a certain amount of people that are that, or this, like, no, [... 0.99

02:00:26.000 Not there. 0.98

02:00:27.000 Because that's the place where literal life or death is in the balance.

02:00:31.000 And you cannot be thinking about that nonsense.

02:00:33.000 Like, imagine, you know how hard Buds is for Navy SEALs?

02:00:37.000 It's like one of the most extreme tests that any military organization puts on a member.

02:00:42.000 If you can become a Navy SEAL, you are a highly distinguished human being who can do some things that most people can't do in terms of your will, your ability to force your way through situations that are extremely difficult and uncomfortable.

02:00:56.000 You can't say with that, we're going to lighten up our expectations because we like to have some trans SEALs.

02:01:04.000 Yeah, it cannot be about inclusivity.

02:01:06.000 Right.

02:01:07.000 It has to be only a meritocracy. 0.99

02:01:09.000 It has to only be the people that can fucking do it. 0.99

02:01:12.000 What a strange place for wokeness to be inserted. 0.99

02:01:17.000 It's bizarre that it's discussed in the military, but they have discussed it.

02:01:22.000 They've discussed all kinds of woke talk.

02:01:25.000 And people are pushing back against it because they're surprised that it was there. 1.00

02:01:29.000 I'm like, you guys are the fucking hired killers. 1.00

02:01:30.000 You guys are the hired killers of the government. 1.00

02:01:32.000 You're talking woke. 1.00

02:01:34.000 Ridiculous. 0.97

02:01:34.000 But it's so interesting to me how it's accelerated in what Douglas Murray always talks about. 0.97

02:01:40.000 That for some reason, when a civilization is near the end, they become obsessed with gender.

02:01:47.000 Yeah, I mean it's partly an obsession with gender and then hedonism, I think.

02:01:53.000 Hedonism.

02:01:54.000 Like I think that it's like, I really, I don't like using the word privilege because it's overused and it's used in sort of weird ways to shut down conversation and to silence people and things like that.

02:02:08.000 But I think it's, like, too much privilege.

02:02:10.000 Like, you don't have enough real problems that you're worrying about people's gender identities. 1.00

02:02:15.000 Like, it's so stupid. 1.00

02:02:16.000 It's not real life. 1.00

02:02:17.000 It's just invented ideology, like, academic ideology.

02:02:23.000 I think that it's, like...

02:02:25.000 And I think that it's indulging in, again, fetishes, like... 0.92

02:02:30.000 A lot of these, they call themselves trans widows.

02:02:33.000 So women who have had husbands that have decided to transition while they're married. 0.97

02:02:39.000 And I've talked to some of these women and their stories are really heartbreaking.

02:02:44.000 Um...

02:02:45.000 You know, and in those cases, their stories are often like these guys start acting really, like, teenager-y and, like, get super narcissistic and, like, all of a sudden, you know, they get really superficial.

02:02:58.000 They're into clothes.

02:02:59.000 They want all the attention.

02:03:01.000 Kardashians?

02:03:01.000 Did you just say Kardashians?

02:03:04.000 No, want all the attention.

02:03:06.000 Interesting, because that's Caitlyn Jenner.

02:03:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:03:11.000 I don't know.

02:03:13.000 My theory about Caitlyn Jenner is like, all these chicks are getting all this attention. 1.00

02:03:18.000 And Caitlyn Jenner, I don't know if you watched, did you watch the Kardashians?

02:03:22.000 A little bit.

02:03:22.000 It was amazing how they would mock him.

02:03:25.000 When he would always just be alone in a room upstairs watching TV. They would all be doing their thing and having fun without him.

02:03:32.000 Well, you know, ultimately, in the end, it seems like He's happier this way.

02:03:42.000 He's funny because...

02:03:43.000 She's happier.

02:03:43.000 She's happier this way.

02:03:44.000 I'll say he, you say she. 0.98

02:03:46.000 Okay.

02:03:46.000 She's, you know, she seems happier.

02:03:49.000 And she is getting a lot of attention.

02:03:51.000 I mean, you want to talk about a titanic shift in attention.

02:03:55.000 I mean, it's a monstrous difference between like pre-transition and now. 0.96

02:04:00.000 There's a giant difference.

02:04:02.000 Like all of a sudden, like a center figure in culture.

02:04:04.000 I mean, and he is also one of those people who, like, he's talked about, like, trying on his, like, daughter's clothing.

02:04:13.000 Like, he's an autogonophile.

02:04:15.000 Also.

02:04:16.000 Which is fine.

02:04:17.000 I mean, do whatever.

02:04:18.000 But, like, he's funny because he's, like, anti-woke.

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:23.000 And he's kind of critical of trans activism.

02:04:26.000 Well, definitely critical of transgender athletes in sports and wants to protect children.

02:04:31.000 Yeah.

02:04:32.000 It's similar to what you said.

02:04:33.000 Yeah.

02:04:34.000 Yeah.

02:04:35.000 I mean, he doesn't literally think he's a female.

02:04:38.000 This is how he wants to live his life and he feels better that way and fine.

02:04:42.000 Yeah.

02:04:43.000 But like he did, he started off trying on women's clothing and being turned on by it and then would like wear pantyhose under his pants and, you know...

02:04:55.000 I'm being naughty.

02:04:58.000 Exactly!

02:04:59.000 Here's the thing about wearing pantyhose under your pants. 0.99

02:05:01.000 Who the fuck wants to wear pantyhose? 1.00

02:05:03.000 Pantyhose are disgusting! 1.00

02:05:04.000 Women don't wear pantyhose. 1.00

02:05:06.000 I know.

02:05:06.000 That drove me crazy too when I read that.

02:05:09.000 I was like, nobody wears pantyhose. 0.98

02:05:12.000 Like, kill me. 0.96

02:05:14.000 To make me wear, like, I don't, like, gross! 1.00

02:05:17.000 Yeah.

02:05:17.000 You don't wear pantyhose unless you're acting out some sort of a weird thing with your significant other when you pretend you'd be a secretary.

02:05:28.000 Your role-playing.

02:05:29.000 Right, right.

02:05:30.000 Can I get you something, sir?

02:05:31.000 I don't know.

02:05:32.000 I've never done that before.

02:05:33.000 You've never role-played?

02:05:34.000 Ha! 0.89

02:05:35.000 Oh, God.

02:05:36.000 But you have karaoke.

02:05:36.000 I would, like, laugh if I did that.

02:05:38.000 Yeah, that's the part of the fun.

02:05:39.000 I can't take myself seriously in that kind of scenario.

02:05:42.000 I'd be like, I will, Steven.

02:05:45.000 I mean, karaoke, yeah.

02:05:47.000 I just want to sing Beatles songs.

02:05:49.000 That is a sign of wanting to be naughty, right?

02:05:52.000 If you're wearing pantyhose.

02:05:53.000 But isn't it also a sign of like...

02:05:54.000 It's like the guys who...

02:05:55.000 I worked at like a video store in the aughts or whatever and this guy would come in sometimes at night with a leather motorcycle jacket on and then like Flash, he was wearing lingerie underneath.

02:06:06.000 Whoa.

02:06:07.000 It's exhibitionism, fetishism, maybe autogynophilia.

02:06:11.000 But isn't it also like they connect pantyhose with being a woman, and if you wish you were a woman, maybe that's something you'd be attracted to wearing.

02:06:20.000 Yeah, they have all these weird stereotypes about women. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Used to be a Navy SEAL. Transitioned.

02:06:27.000 Oh yeah, you just...

02:06:28.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 And when Kristen was on the podcast, she actually talked about what that was like when she was first transitioning. 0.94

02:06:39.000 And she showed up at work with big nails on and wearing a dress and everybody was like, what the fuck is going on? 0.97

02:06:45.000 Like out of the blue? 0.99

02:06:47.000 Yep, out of the blue.

02:06:48.000 She just decided to go for it.

02:06:49.000 And then said, look, I'm the same person and talks in the same voice.

02:06:54.000 It's really wild, right?

02:06:56.000 But then it settled down and now is basically dresses, I don't want to say like asexual, but like a flannel shirt, which like a lot of women wear flannel shirts, jeans, a lot of women wear jeans. 0.85

02:07:10.000 Wasn't anything like definitely masculine or feminine about the way...

02:07:15.000 Yeah.

02:07:16.000 I mean, a lot of these men who transition to become women have these weird, super old-fashioned stereotypes about what a woman is and what women dress like.

02:07:26.000 Like, I, in Vancouver, mostly wore giant men's flannel shirts and, like, big men's boots and, like, jeans.

02:07:36.000 Or, like, I wear, like, dirty Converse and tube socks almost every day.

02:07:40.000 Right.

02:07:41.000 So you could be transitioning.

02:07:42.000 Yeah, maybe I'm a boy.

02:07:43.000 If this was around when I was a kid, like maybe I would have thought I was a boy because I was like a tomboy.

02:07:50.000 Like I hated pink.

02:07:51.000 I didn't want to wear dresses.

02:07:52.000 I didn't want to do girl things. 1.00

02:07:53.000 I wanted to play with He-Man. 0.63

02:07:54.000 I like cut my hair short.

02:07:56.000 I wanted to hang out with the boys.

02:07:59.000 That's a problem that people are worried about with children, that children are so malleable.

02:08:05.000 And some people, they don't think you should be worried about it at all.

02:08:09.000 And they think you should allow people to discuss anything and everything with your child when it comes to gender, when it comes to sexual identity, all those things.

02:08:20.000 Say whatever you want.

02:08:20.000 Sexual orientation.

02:08:21.000 Talk about it with the kids.

02:08:23.000 Talk about it with the kids. 1.00

02:08:24.000 And other people are like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

02:08:26.000 You're supposed to be teaching history. 0.99

02:08:28.000 You know, and it is a weird thing because children are so malleable.

02:08:34.000 Well, and also, like, why do teachers feel like they're the ones or feel entitled to, like, they're the ones who should be educating other people's children about their politics or their ideologies?

02:08:50.000 This is not your job.

02:08:52.000 It's complex. 0.98

02:08:52.000 And it's also just as complex if my kid was going to school and there was a hardcore right-wing teacher that was telling them that all gays are evil. 0.98

02:08:58.000 I would not want that in my childhood either.

02:09:02.000 Or if somebody was teaching them about the Virgin Mary immaculate conception.

02:09:06.000 Is that okay?

02:09:07.000 Because essentially you're teaching kids your religion.

02:09:11.000 As far as I'm concerned, gender identity is a version of religion.

02:09:15.000 It's just an idea.

02:09:16.000 It's all faith-based.

02:09:17.000 There's no material reality.

02:09:20.000 There's no scientific basis for the idea that a man like you says, I'm a woman.

02:09:26.000 Oh, you're a woman. 1.00

02:09:27.000 What does that mean?

02:09:28.000 It means nothing.

02:09:29.000 It's all faith.

02:09:29.000 It's like, well, I believe him.

02:09:31.000 Okay, so it's faith-based.

02:09:32.000 This is a religion.

02:09:33.000 And you have to believe him.

02:09:36.000 It can never be someone's having a mental issue.

02:09:40.000 Gender dysphoria is even offensive to some people.

02:09:43.000 They don't even like the term gender dysphoria.

02:09:45.000 But that was a legitimate psychological term that they used to classify people that were having this issue.

02:09:53.000 Right.

02:09:53.000 I mean, now to be trans, you don't have to have so-called gender dysphoria.

02:09:57.000 I sort of think that term's imperfect myself because I sort of feel like it could be argued that everyone has some form of gender dysphoria because, like, say, like, I don't identify wholly with femininity.

02:10:09.000 Like, there's parts of me that are feminine.

02:10:11.000 There's some, like, girl things that I like.

02:10:14.000 And there's lots of aspects of my personality that I think are kind of masculine.

02:10:18.000 Like what?

02:10:18.000 I'm not nurturing at all.

02:10:20.000 I don't like babies.

02:10:22.000 I don't.

02:10:22.000 I've never.

02:10:23.000 I'm not joking.

02:10:27.000 Down with babies. 0.51

02:10:30.000 I've never wanted to have kids.

02:10:32.000 I've never desired it.

02:10:33.000 I don't really like...

02:10:35.000 I mean, some kids are cool.

02:10:37.000 I don't mean like, you know, kids are personalities.

02:10:39.000 Like, I like some kids, other ones...

02:10:41.000 But I'm not...

02:10:41.000 I don't look at a baby and I'm like, I'm like...

02:10:44.000 Got it.

02:10:45.000 I would rather look at a dog.

02:10:48.000 I love dogs.

02:10:50.000 I love dogs.

02:10:52.000 I think I'm kind of aggressive.

02:10:58.000 I'm kind of domineering.

02:11:02.000 I'm very rational.

02:11:05.000 That's like a stereotypically joking.

02:11:08.000 I'm not always very rational.

02:11:09.000 I mean, I'm a Libra, so that was a joke.

02:11:14.000 I don't take care of my boyfriends in any way at all.

02:11:19.000 Maybe emotionally or I'm affectionate and I'm loving, but I don't cook and clean.

02:11:29.000 My boyfriends tend to take care of me more than the other way around. 1.00

02:11:34.000 Are you a boss bitch? 1.00

02:11:35.000 I'm not very easy. 1.00

02:11:39.000 Isn't that a good thing though? 0.99

02:11:40.000 Being a boss bitch is like a good thing. 1.00

02:11:42.000 That's what the rappers... 0.99

02:11:43.000 I feel like my...

02:11:44.000 I'm not like the kind of chick who's like really easy going in a relationship.

02:11:50.000 You're a lot of work?

02:11:51.000 I'm pretty difficult.

02:11:53.000 Really?

02:11:53.000 And you seem to celebrate that.

02:11:55.000 Well, I can't help it.

02:11:58.000 I don't think it's always a good thing.

02:12:00.000 I want to talk everything through.

02:12:03.000 I want everything to be out in the open.

02:12:04.000 If I'm upset about something, I cannot say it.

02:12:07.000 You've probably noticed I'm not very good at not saying what I think.

02:12:11.000 And in a relationship that can be challenging.

02:12:13.000 I feel like a lot of people...

02:12:15.000 I think it's a good thing.

02:12:16.000 I think you should be open and talk about things in a relationship.

02:12:18.000 But I feel like people who are able to maintain really long-term relationships and marriages often, not always, of course, are the kinds of people who don't say everything they think and don't feel like they need to be like, I didn't like that.

02:12:32.000 What's going on?

02:12:33.000 I want to talk about this.

02:12:34.000 They're sort of like let things lie.

02:12:36.000 And I'm not a let things lie person.

02:12:39.000 Got it.

02:12:40.000 So that's good if you want to be a social commentator, because you're not going to bite your tongue.

02:12:44.000 Yeah.

02:12:44.000 Yeah, and that makes sense.

02:12:46.000 Because a lot of people don't want to experience the backlash that you've experienced for expressing your opinions on things.

02:12:52.000 Yep.

02:12:53.000 Yeah, most people don't.

02:12:54.000 I mean, what's interesting about...

02:12:56.000 People go after you a lot.

02:12:59.000 People go after people like me.

02:13:01.000 People go after people who have platforms and share their opinions.

02:13:07.000 And I don't think that they...

02:13:10.000 I don't know if a lot of people understand that it's like...

02:13:13.000 I think it takes a certain personality to do this.

02:13:17.000 You have to be able to take a lot of flack and I think that most people don't do that.

02:13:22.000 And you have to be the kind of person who really...

02:13:24.000 It's very, very, very important to say what you think and to speak openly and to tell the truth.

02:13:31.000 And I think what I've learned in the past few years and in doing this work is that's not what most people feel.

02:13:38.000 A lot of people are content not saying what they think.

02:13:42.000 And not being authentic and not being honest.

02:13:46.000 Like, that's not a need for them.

02:13:47.000 And for me, it's a need.

02:13:48.000 Like, I would feel...

02:13:50.000 I don't feel like I could function if I wasn't able to, like, fully be myself.

02:13:55.000 I know what you're saying.

02:13:57.000 People have very specific personality traits that make them more effective at different jobs.

02:14:05.000 And for what you do, it's a perfect personality for that job.

02:14:09.000 But I know what you're saying in terms of You're not necessarily all the way feminine, but that's not gender dysphoria. 0.99

02:14:21.000 That's such a different thing than someone who really does think they're a man who happens to have a vagina. 1.00

02:14:28.000 I totally agree with you. 0.98

02:14:30.000 I've never been confused about whether I'm a woman or not.

02:14:33.000 My argument is that the term...

02:14:35.000 Because gender... 0.98

02:14:36.000 People mess up gender and sex all the time.

02:14:40.000 When I'm talking about sex, I'm just talking about biology.

02:14:43.000 Whether you have a male or a female body.

02:14:46.000 To me, when I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about sex stereotypes.

02:14:50.000 So masculinity and femininity and those stereotypes that I was talking about before.

02:14:55.000 Women are supposedly... 1.00

02:14:57.000 Nurturing and delicate and emotional and irrational. 0.98

02:15:00.000 And men are...

02:15:02.000 And some of these are true because of evolution.

02:15:05.000 Like, to a certain extent, there's patterns.

02:15:06.000 But people are not black and white.

02:15:08.000 You know, men are domineering, violent, rational, aggressive.

02:15:16.000 What else is there? 1.00

02:15:19.000 They like to jerk off during Zoom meetings. 1.00

02:15:22.000 LAUGHTER Have any women been caught masturbating? 1.00

02:15:25.000 I do not think so. 0.96

02:15:27.000 I don't think so.

02:15:28.000 That's what's wild, right? 0.69

02:15:30.000 Why are men more perverted than women? 1.00

02:15:33.000 Testosterone, for sure. 0.93

02:15:34.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:15:36.000 I think...

02:15:37.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:15:37.000 I've never been a woman.

02:15:39.000 Not yet.

02:15:39.000 It has to be.

02:15:40.000 Not yet, at least.

02:15:41.000 You never know.

02:15:43.000 You never know.

02:15:43.000 It could happen.

02:15:44.000 But I think it's testosterone.

02:15:46.000 I think it makes...

02:15:47.000 Like, if you think about it, it's connected to aggression and sexuality, right?

02:15:51.000 So there's not much in a woman that's connected to being horny, but also to being aggressive. 1.00

02:15:58.000 Testosterone is really the only thing that does both of those things.

02:16:00.000 So do you think that it's like men have more of an uncontrollable sexual urge?

02:16:06.000 I would have no idea.

02:16:07.000 Okay.

02:16:08.000 I have to guess.

02:16:10.000 It's clearly a spectrum, because there's men that aren't interested in sex at all, and there's men that are horny all the time, and it's the same with women.

02:16:17.000 That's true.

02:16:17.000 Yeah, I know.

02:16:18.000 I actually get really mad when people talk about, like, men have a high sexual libido and women have a low sexual libido.

02:16:24.000 And then that plays into this, like, kind of gatekeeping role that women are supposed to play. 1.00

02:16:29.000 Like, women have sexual power because they can choose not to have sex with a man. 1.00

02:16:32.000 And it's like, women like to have sex, too. 1.00

02:16:34.000 Like, I don't want to choose to not have sex with a man. 1.00

02:16:37.000 I want to have sex with a man. 0.99

02:16:38.000 Like, I'm a heterosexual woman. 1.00

02:16:39.000 I also desire sex.

02:16:41.000 Like, I don't want to be in this role where I'm saying no to something that I actually want to do.

02:16:45.000 Yeah.

02:16:46.000 But it's also, it's not like it's a one-way street.

02:16:48.000 And yeah, and there are, it's, there's, I, like, I have friends who've had boyfriends who, like, didn't feel like having sex almost ever.

02:16:56.000 Yeah.

02:16:56.000 Yeah, that's an issue.

02:16:58.000 Yeah.

02:16:58.000 It happens.

02:16:59.000 It's like with everything, there's just a lot of variables. 0.99

02:17:02.000 And whenever you generalize like that, men want this and women want that, like, what fucking men? 0.99

02:17:06.000 What women? 1.00

02:17:07.000 Well, and it's like, do you talk to people in real life?

02:17:09.000 Because I talk to a lot of people in real life, and people are diverse.

02:17:12.000 They really are.

02:17:13.000 They really are.

02:17:14.000 And that's the problem with things like the left and the right, is that when you get into an ideology and you're in a tribe, I'm in the tribe of the left, and so I have to subscribe to all the same things that these people subscribe to. 0.89

02:17:27.000 You know, I have to take on all their notions that I think are ridiculous.

02:17:32.000 I have to say it without any questioning. 0.86

02:17:35.000 I have to repeat the mantra.

02:17:36.000 Yeah.

02:17:37.000 That's what's going on.

02:17:38.000 And you have to use the exact right language and the language changes all the time.

02:17:42.000 Yeah.

02:17:44.000 Okay, so the gender thing, I feel like I was trying to finish a thought.

02:17:50.000 When I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about those stereotypes about men and women.

02:17:53.000 Right.

02:17:54.000 That are really just personality traits often.

02:17:57.000 Right.

02:17:58.000 Some women are more aggressive and less nurturing. 1.00

02:18:03.000 Some women are super nurturing and delicate and emotional or whatever. 1.00

02:18:12.000 So the term gender dysphoria, I think, bothers me just because of that.

02:18:16.000 Because it sounds to me then like you're just identifying with these gender stereotypes.

02:18:22.000 Which should be fine.

02:18:24.000 Like, you should be able to, you know, identify with whatever personality traits you identify with.

02:18:29.000 You should be able to like whatever clothes you like.

02:18:32.000 Like, if you're a man and you want to wear a dress and you don't feel very masculine or you don't have a high sex drive or you don't want to, like...

02:18:41.000 Fight?

02:18:41.000 That's fine.

02:18:43.000 Like, be whoever you want to be.

02:18:44.000 I agree with, like, I think gender dysphoria refers to something different, which is a very, very strong, overwhelming desire to actually be the opposite sex or, you know, to get rid of your sexed body parts. 0.75

02:18:59.000 What do you think those caused this massive uptick in the public's understanding discussion of it?

02:19:06.000 Like, when did this become something that's on the front line?

02:19:11.000 I mean, it's so weird because all of the gender identity legislation was sort of presented and passed around the same time.

02:19:22.000 It seemed like everything happened simultaneously at once in a lot of countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the US. And I don't know exactly how that went down,

02:19:38.000 but I think those activists, like the trans activists, were very well organized.

02:19:43.000 I think that part of it, you know, other people have theorized around this, so these are not my ideas coming out of nowhere.

02:19:52.000 You know, once gay marriage was won, there wasn't much for these LGBT organizations to do and fight for anymore, so there's no reason for them to get funding so they latched onto the trans rights thing so that they could continue to exist, people could keep their jobs, you know, 0.57

02:20:07.000 so they could continue to get funding.

02:20:09.000 Because I don't know, where do you go with the gay rights fight now in Canada and America?

02:20:15.000 Like there's not that much to fight for anymore.

02:20:17.000 That's sort of been one.

02:20:18.000 Right.

02:20:19.000 Marriage is legal.

02:20:20.000 Discrimination is illegal. 0.83

02:20:22.000 Yeah, you can't fire somebody from their job for being gay.

02:20:25.000 Public acceptance is much higher. 0.88

02:20:28.000 I have a friend who's gay who thinks that a lot of the transgender movement is homophobic. 0.96

02:20:32.000 It is homophobic. 0.71

02:20:34.000 But it's weird.

02:20:34.000 I mean, like, in what way?

02:20:36.000 He's like, well, if you don't believe in males and females, you don't believe there's a distinction.

02:20:41.000 He was like, then what about gay men?

02:20:44.000 Men who are absolutely attracted to men?

02:20:46.000 Like, are they...

02:20:48.000 And then if you're telling a lot of them that these men are actually really females and they should just transition, he's like, I think that there's a homophobia attached to that.

02:20:58.000 And I'm like, okay, why do you think it is?

02:21:01.000 I mean, I absolutely agree with that, because how can you be same-sex attracted if there's no sex?

02:21:07.000 Gay people aren't attracted to gender, they're attracted to sex. 0.98

02:21:11.000 Males who are gay are attracted to men with male bodies. 0.88

02:21:16.000 They're not attracted to women who are dressing like men or acting like men. 0.62

02:21:21.000 And lesbians have made this argument for a long time, too, that trans activism, gender identity ideology is homophobic.

02:21:30.000 They're like, no, I'm attracted to women. 1.00

02:21:32.000 I love women. 1.00

02:21:33.000 I want to have sex with women. 1.00

02:21:35.000 I don't want to have sex with a man who claims to be a woman or dresses like a woman. 1.00

02:21:40.000 And, you know, lesbians have been super bullied in their own communities over this and over being critical of like trans women being welcomed into the lesbian community or being pressured to date trans women. 0.91

02:21:53.000 And, you know, Abigail Schreier does a bunch of research on...

02:21:57.000 You know, young girls are transitioning at really high rates now.

02:22:02.000 It used to be that more boys were transitioning.

02:22:04.000 Now it's that more girls are transitioning. 1.00

02:22:06.000 And often those girls are lesbians. 1.00

02:22:09.000 Like, it's not cool to be a lesbian anymore. 0.99

02:22:12.000 It's cool to be queer.

02:22:13.000 It's cool to be non-binary.

02:22:14.000 It's cool to be a trans boy.

02:22:15.000 I think what Abigail's talking about, she's talking about that they happen also in clusters.

02:22:21.000 And she thinks that there's some peer pressure involved and there's a, I think she calls it a social contagion.

02:22:30.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:22:32.000 That you get praise for wanting to transition or for transitioning.

02:22:39.000 The non-binary thing is the weirdest one because you could just jump on board. 1.00

02:22:44.000 It's so stupid. 0.99

02:22:45.000 You could just say, I'm non-binary. 1.00

02:22:46.000 Well, anybody is non-binary. 0.99

02:22:48.000 We know this guy who's non-binary and he fucks all these girls. 1.00

02:22:53.000 It's hilarious. 0.99

02:22:54.000 You're like, so you're a heterosexual man then, huh? 1.00

02:22:57.000 He's a hustler. 0.99

02:22:58.000 H-U-S-T-L-E-R, hustler. 1.00

02:23:00.000 He found the thing. 0.76

02:23:01.000 Like, that's how you get in and bang woke chicks. 1.00

02:23:04.000 Ew, I would never want to fuck a non-binary man. 1.00

02:23:06.000 I mean, maybe he's really non-binary. 1.00

02:23:08.000 I don't know.

02:23:08.000 There's no such thing as non-binary.

02:23:10.000 That's not a real concept.

02:23:12.000 What does that mean?

02:23:13.000 He's not a man.

02:23:14.000 He's not a woman. 1.00

02:23:15.000 That's impossible.

02:23:16.000 Everybody is a man or a woman. 0.99

02:23:17.000 Listen, when he fucks women, he's not doing it as a man. 0.99

02:23:21.000 He's doing it as a they. 1.00

02:23:22.000 That is a gender neutral penis. 1.00

02:23:23.000 He's doing it as a they and you have some fucking respect. 1.00

02:23:26.000 That is gender-neutral sperm. 0.99

02:23:28.000 It is a wild thing, right?

02:23:29.000 That that is also... 1.00

02:23:30.000 Like, people will get as mad at you as if you fucking hit a baby with a car. 0.99

02:23:36.000 I don't... 0.99

02:23:37.000 People get real emotional about it.

02:23:39.000 But, I mean...

02:23:39.000 I think...

02:23:41.000 I don't know why people get so emotional about this trans woman or women thing.

02:23:48.000 Like, I don't know why...

02:23:49.000 You, as a random woman, would be... 1.00

02:23:52.000 Because women get mad about it. 1.00

02:23:54.000 Women have gotten mad at me. 1.00

02:23:56.000 Lots of women have gotten mad and been like, trans women are women. 0.99

02:23:59.000 You should accept their identity. 0.99

02:24:00.000 And I'm like, first of all, this is stupid and doesn't make any sense, but why do you care so much? 0.99

02:24:06.000 Who are you protecting? 0.99

02:24:07.000 What is your investment in this issue?

02:24:09.000 And I would tend to think that it's about...

02:24:13.000 Presenting yourself as and thinking of yourself as a good person, you're very invested in.

02:24:19.000 I'm a good person.

02:24:19.000 I'm a progressive person.

02:24:21.000 I'm accepting.

02:24:22.000 I'm inclusive.

02:24:23.000 I support diversity, equality, all those words, yada, yada, yada.

02:24:27.000 But some of them really do seem, like, some of it I think is phony, but some of these people do seem to really get enraged.

02:24:35.000 Like, enraged at me if I don't want to use correct pronouns.

02:24:39.000 And it's like...

02:24:39.000 Why?

02:24:40.000 Why are you so offended by this?

02:24:44.000 Well, there's also the fear of being ostracized from the group.

02:24:48.000 If you don't do that, if you don't go along, if you decided that you're a progressive person, you don't go along with all these things, you can get ostracized to the group or from the group.

02:25:00.000 Oh, totally.

02:25:00.000 And it's scary out there on your own because what else are you going to do?

02:25:03.000 Are you going to be a Trump supporter?

02:25:04.000 God forbid.

02:25:06.000 That's what we've polarized the country to where you are either a progressive or you're a Democrat who tolerates progressives or you're a person who doesn't like the Republicans.

02:25:17.000 You keep going further and further left.

02:25:19.000 You're like, never Trump.

02:25:20.000 And then a lot of those people, they get lumped into this thing and you think of them only as the most radical of the people in the group that are the loudest, which is the hardcore left-wing people, the Antifa type people.

02:25:33.000 Whereas on the right, what's the worst thing?

02:25:36.000 Would they go to the Proud Boys or some white supremacist organization?

02:25:40.000 That's what people think of.

02:25:41.000 The January 6th people, that's what people think of.

02:25:43.000 So you're either with the January 6th people or you're with Antifa.

02:25:48.000 Literally, that's what it is on both sides.

02:25:50.000 When you get to the furthest edges, it's equally crazy.

02:25:53.000 And it's equally crazy in these predictable, adoptable patterns that these people have to subscribe to if they want to be a part of the ideology, whether it's the right ideology or the left ideology. 0.95

02:26:03.000 Either you want to throw Molotov cocktails at the State House and call everybody a fascist, or you want to take zip ties to the fucking Capitol building and look for a senator to tie up. 0.99

02:26:14.000 It's the same fucking person. 0.99

02:26:15.000 They just found different ways to port that crazy out into the universe. 1.00

02:26:21.000 Totally.

02:26:21.000 And I mean, the binary thinking is, I mean, I talked about this a bit earlier, but this is what people are doing to me constantly now that I've been talking about leaving the left or not wanting to identify as left wing.

02:26:35.000 Like, I just want to be an independent.

02:26:37.000 I'm not identifying anywhere.

02:26:38.000 I don't plan on, I don't want to categorize myself or label myself in any way.

02:26:43.000 So you're far right.

02:26:44.000 How long have you been far right, Megan?

02:26:46.000 You're sounding like a Trumpist.

02:26:47.000 There's certain shows out there that will just immediately call you far right if you don't agree with the orthodoxy.

02:26:53.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 And that's what people have been doing to me.

02:26:57.000 And it drives me crazy.

02:26:58.000 I need to stop getting upset about this, but I can't.

02:27:00.000 I always get very, very upset about being misunderstood.

02:27:04.000 And I know you can't control that.

02:27:07.000 People are going to misrepresent you.

02:27:08.000 They're going to misunderstand you, especially if you're a public figure.

02:27:12.000 You're just a soul whose intentions are good.

02:27:14.000 Thank you, exactly.

02:27:16.000 Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.

02:27:18.000 Be misunderstood.

02:27:18.000 Yeah, but that's part of your gift is that you have the courage to talk about things that other people find uncomfortable and say them from an honest perspective.

02:27:29.000 Like, this is what I'm seeing.

02:27:30.000 This is what I don't like.

02:27:31.000 This is what I think.

02:27:32.000 And then also back it up with like, other people are seeing it too.

02:27:35.000 And this is not like, this is something that the warning bells were rang.

02:27:41.000 The distinction between males and females is very weird when it plays out in sports and in games and stuff like that.

02:27:49.000 I'm always fascinated by that because there's clearly great women athletes and you've got your stories like Jermaine Durand and me knocking out that guy. 1.00

02:27:58.000 But where it gets weird is other games that don't involve physical strength.

02:28:04.000 One of them is pool.

02:28:06.000 That's interesting, actually, because men are more inclined.

02:28:11.000 Way more men play pool than women.

02:28:13.000 Yeah.

02:28:14.000 Are men actually better at pool than women? 0.82

02:28:16.000 Yeah.

02:28:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:18.000 A lot better.

02:28:18.000 I mean, I'm really bad at pool.

02:28:20.000 I'm quite good at foosball, though.

02:28:22.000 Okay.

02:28:22.000 Well, they're very different things.

02:28:24.000 When we talk about professional billiards, it's almost like it's not as far apart as the outlier female kickboxer knocking out the male kickboxer.

02:28:37.000 It's not that far apart.

02:28:39.000 But no women win competitions. 0.99

02:28:42.000 If they want to enter into an open.

02:28:45.000 Say they have women's professional tournaments where women compete against women. 0.57

02:28:51.000 Everything else is open.

02:28:53.000 So if there's a US Open, women compete in the US Open, the World Championships. 0.99

02:28:56.000 Women can compete against the men.

02:28:58.000 They can compete, but they never win.

02:29:00.000 There's women out there that are very good, and they're capable of winning a match. 1.00

02:29:05.000 The way a pool game is played, depending on what tournament it is, It could be, say, a race to ten.

02:29:11.000 So if we're playing nine ball, if you pocket the nine ten times and I pocket it seven times, you win because you made it to ten quicker.

02:29:18.000 You won ten games faster.

02:29:20.000 So a woman can win in a race to ten, but they never win the whole tournament. 1.00

02:29:25.000 A man always winds up beating them, which is odd because it's not a physical strength thing.

02:29:31.000 There's nothing.

02:29:31.000 Yeah, why would that be?

02:29:32.000 Because that, I feel like, is wholly skill and precision.

02:29:37.000 There's women that are very, very, very, very, very good, but they're not as good as the world champion men.

02:29:42.000 I wonder why that is.

02:29:43.000 There must be some science behind that.

02:29:45.000 I think they've tried to narrow it down to an understanding of 3D space that's different for males than it is for women. 0.72

02:29:52.000 Maybe that has something to do with testosterone.

02:29:57.000 There's quite a few women that are really good that are lesbians, which is interesting. 1.00

02:30:02.000 I don't know what it is, but it's one of those things.

02:30:05.000 It's like, what if someone identified as a woman?

02:30:08.000 They were an elite professional pool player, and they just started cleaning up in the women's division. 0.99

02:30:13.000 You wouldn't really have a good argument that they have an advantage, because it's not a strength advantage.

02:30:20.000 It's not a speed advantage.

02:30:21.000 So what is the advantage?

02:30:23.000 Well, maybe there is one.

02:30:24.000 I mean, I don't know what it is, but there's some sexed advantage. 0.62

02:30:28.000 The only advantage that you would ever have in strength is in the break shot.

02:30:32.000 Right.

02:30:32.000 But that's not going to win you.

02:30:34.000 It's not that big of a deal.

02:30:36.000 A lot of people kind of soft break today.

02:30:38.000 They don't break that hard.

02:30:39.000 They want to make the one ball on the side or make the corner ball, and sometimes it's actually better to not hit it too hard.

02:30:46.000 But that would be the only thing that would involve physical strength.

02:30:50.000 I mean it seems to me that like there's only a few competitions where men and women can compete against one another sort of on an equal playing field and one of those I'm told is like shooting like rifle well that makes sense yeah because you're basically just aiming and breath control I would think if the rifle was heavy that would be an issue but pistols yeah and pistols I mean,

02:31:19.000 it doesn't seem...

02:31:19.000 I don't know, like, if men started identifying as women to compete in figure skating, would that, like, screw over women in figure skating?

02:31:27.000 That's a good question.

02:31:29.000 More strength.

02:31:30.000 More strength in the legs, more explosivity.

02:31:32.000 But are they judged by how high they jump?

02:31:34.000 They're just judged on doing the things perfectly.

02:31:38.000 Right.

02:31:39.000 But doesn't the difficulty factor in?

02:31:42.000 Maybe.

02:31:43.000 I think it does.

02:31:44.000 You know, if they have more leg strength, I would believe they could leap higher and spin more.

02:31:50.000 For sure.

02:31:51.000 I mean, that's sort of like the thing with skateboarding, too, eh?

02:31:54.000 Right, right, right.

02:31:54.000 Like, it's like those, they can jump higher and farther and, like, they can move faster.

02:32:01.000 Right.

02:32:02.000 And again, what specifically do you have to prove if you want to compete as a woman? 1.00

02:32:08.000 Do they test you?

02:32:09.000 Do they make sure that you aren't taking testosterone?

02:32:12.000 Do they test you to make sure that you're taking estrogen?

02:32:14.000 Do they check your testosterone levels?

02:32:16.000 Not in skateboarding.

02:32:18.000 Well, that's crazy.

02:32:19.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:32:20.000 Because if it is a physical thing, which it clearly is, like the best skateboarders are very good athletes, what they do is incredible.

02:32:27.000 It's hard to do.

02:32:28.000 So if that's the case, then you would think that you would want to make sure that someone isn't taking performance-enhancing drugs.

02:32:34.000 I mean, maybe they will at some point.

02:32:36.000 Or maybe if we were talking about at the Olympic level, I don't think that it's come up in skateboarding at the Olympic level.

02:32:42.000 I mean, that's relatively new that they've included.

02:32:44.000 When did skateboarding get into the Olympics?

02:32:46.000 I think maybe just like the last Olympics.

02:32:49.000 Like, I'm not an expert, but it was recent.

02:32:51.000 So they definitely tested there.

02:32:51.000 They definitely tested there.

02:32:52.000 But in regular competition, like it's probably not been that big of an issue so far for them to really have to deal with it.

02:32:59.000 Like Taylor is probably the first person who's ever spoken out about this in skateboarding.

02:33:02.000 Like it's been talked about in other sports, track, swimming, MMA, like weightlifting.

02:33:09.000 Yeah.

02:33:11.000 And those ones are easier because they're so obvious.

02:33:15.000 I mean, people are obviously still going along with it anyway, but it's very obvious.

02:33:19.000 Like when you look at, there's like a photo of Leah Thomas at the swim meet and they're all diving and he's like two feet higher than all the rest of the chicks and immediately farther along.

02:33:32.000 And he's also just obviously bigger.

02:33:34.000 Way bigger.

02:33:35.000 He's a tall, big dude.

02:33:36.000 Who was a really good swimmer as a man, which is nuts. 0.99

02:33:42.000 A year ago.

02:33:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:33:44.000 He started doing hormone replacement therapy a year ago.

02:33:48.000 Someone told me that Leah is still intact.

02:33:53.000 Probably.

02:33:54.000 And dates girls.

02:33:56.000 Probably.

02:33:57.000 I don't know.

02:33:57.000 Is that true?

02:33:58.000 Most guys who identify as trans women are still intact and date girls. 1.00

02:34:04.000 Like, that's a horrible surgery to get, to get your dick cut off and inverted into, like, a neovagina that's not supposed to be there. 1.00

02:34:12.000 Did you just call it a neovagina? 1.00

02:34:13.000 That's what they call it, a neovagina. 1.00

02:34:14.000 That's what they call it?

02:34:15.000 Well, that's probably not what transactivists call that, but I think, like, if you're going to, like, read a research paper or something like that, that's what they would call it, or surgeons call it a neovagina.

02:34:23.000 But, like, it's a hole that wants to keep closing up because it's not supposed to be there.

02:34:28.000 Like, it's not...

02:34:30.000 It's hard to maintain its gross for reasons that I let people imagine. 0.99

02:34:37.000 It doesn't function like a vagina. 1.00

02:34:40.000 Vaginas are supposed to be there. 1.00

02:34:42.000 They operate in a specific way that's conducive to sexual intercourse. 0.99

02:34:48.000 They are self-cleaning, which is not the case for a surgical hole that's been an inverted penis. 0.99

02:34:57.000 The men will grow hair on the inside. 0.84

02:35:01.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:35:02.000 Oh, boy.

02:35:02.000 Because it's from their ball sack.

02:35:04.000 It's that skin. 0.94

02:35:05.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:35:06.000 And it smells bad.

02:35:10.000 Anyway, and also, they're really complicated surgery, and there can be complications really easily, and there's more than one.

02:35:17.000 You have to have a bunch of surgeries to get all this done.

02:35:21.000 Yeah? 0.91

02:35:21.000 And you might end up not being able to have sexual pleasure. 0.91

02:35:28.000 The other way around is really horrific. 1.00

02:35:30.000 Women who are transitioning to men and want a fake penis attached, they take the skin off of your arm. 1.00

02:35:39.000 Yeah, I've seen that. 1.00

02:35:41.000 And that's a bunch of surgeries. 1.00

02:35:42.000 And you don't get a functional penis, do you? 0.99

02:35:45.000 Not really. 1.00

02:35:46.000 And sometimes it doesn't take, right?

02:35:49.000 Sometimes your body rejects it and you have to try again a number of times.

02:35:53.000 It's really gross. 0.76

02:35:54.000 And then, yeah, it's like then you can't cum. 0.98

02:35:57.000 Like, what is even the point? 1.00

02:35:58.000 What is the point of having a penis if you can't, like, have sexual pleasure and you can't have an orgasm? 1.00

02:36:05.000 What does the penis do then? 1.00

02:36:07.000 I don't know, but there was a cover of a magazine that showed this person who had just transitioned and had a big scar on their leg. 0.99

02:36:14.000 Yeah.

02:36:14.000 And had a giant old hog.

02:36:16.000 Yeah, I read that.

02:36:18.000 What was her name?

02:36:19.000 She was a journalist.

02:36:23.000 I go, God, I can't remember her name.

02:36:25.000 I wrote something about that.

02:36:27.000 She's a journalist and she'd, you know, she'd reported in like war-torn countries and had been traumatized by witnessing some pretty horrible sexual assault.

02:36:37.000 And she had a history of sexual abuse, like she'd been molested as a kid. 0.91

02:36:42.000 I think that kind of stuff factors into transition too, especially for women. 1.00

02:36:46.000 It's like naturally you want to get rid of your sexualized body if...

02:36:50.000 You, in your brain, are like, well, these men did these things to me when I started developing.

02:36:57.000 Right. 0.66

02:36:57.000 You want to go back to not being a sexual-looking woman. 0.66

02:37:01.000 But she, yeah, she decided to be a man, and they did a cover story, and she had this giant, like a giant hole in her thigh kind of thing from where they'd taken the skin and turned it into her fake penis. 1.00

02:37:20.000 It's a horrible thing to go through. 0.98

02:37:23.000 I think that these people are often trying to deal with mental problems in physical or superficial ways.

02:37:31.000 And now we live in a culture where a therapist isn't allowed to challenge you.

02:37:35.000 If you go to a therapist and you're a young woman and you say, I'm a boy, you have to take an affirmative approach and say, okay, yeah, you're a boy.

02:37:44.000 Go get some hormones. 1.00

02:37:45.000 We can give you a mastectomy and a hysterectomy. 0.72

02:37:49.000 So they're not being questioned about anything else that it might be connected to, past trauma.

02:37:56.000 Are you sure that all therapists behave the same way in this?

02:37:58.000 Well, I think therapists are scared.

02:38:00.000 So probably not all therapists, but these therapists don't want to be accused of transphobia and then lose their careers.

02:38:10.000 So I think that most therapists are going along because they could get in a lot of trouble if they don't.

02:38:20.000 It's so complex because you want people to do what makes them happy.

02:38:29.000 I want people to have the choice, and I don't know how you feel.

02:38:33.000 I don't know how someone feels.

02:38:34.000 When someone says to me that I've always known that I was a woman, I don't have any idea how they feel.

02:38:39.000 Neither do I! So I have to take them at their word.

02:38:42.000 I mean, what does it mean to feel like a woman?

02:38:44.000 I have no idea what it means.

02:38:46.000 I don't feel like a woman.

02:38:47.000 I just feel like me.

02:38:49.000 Right, but you are a woman. 1.00

02:38:50.000 See, you are a woman and you feel like you. 0.97

02:38:52.000 And it feels like it syncs up.

02:38:54.000 But imagine if you were a man and you felt like you should feel like you.

02:38:59.000 You felt like you should look like you.

02:39:01.000 You should be like you.

02:39:01.000 Like you like the things that a girl likes.

02:39:03.000 But you feel like somehow or another nature's throwing you a curveball.

02:39:08.000 And you have a male body, but you have a female mind. 1.00

02:39:11.000 Really weird.

02:39:12.000 No, I can imagine that.

02:39:14.000 It's got to be real.

02:39:16.000 I think we're dealing with many things.

02:39:19.000 I think we're dealing with legitimate people that are trans people.

02:39:23.000 I don't want to delegitimize anybody, but by the word legitimate I mean there's an issue where they genuinely, from the moment they were born, have felt like a girl and they're confused and they don't understand why.

02:39:35.000 And everything else is great and if they transition, they'll be happier.

02:39:38.000 I think those people exist.

02:39:40.000 But I also think all the other things that you said are true, too.

02:39:45.000 The statistics about people who felt like they were trans when they were young and then eventually became gay men.

02:39:52.000 Those are very high, right?

02:39:55.000 And lesbians. 0.97

02:39:56.000 Yeah. 0.73

02:39:56.000 Like, lesbians. 0.73

02:39:57.000 Like, there's a lot of girls. 1.00

02:39:58.000 And I've interviewed these girls. 0.97

02:39:59.000 Who think they were boys and turn out to be lesbians. 1.00

02:40:02.000 Yeah, who, when they're teenagers, like, older teenagers usually are like, well, you know, like, I don't feel like I fit in.

02:40:07.000 I feel like I'm not a girl.

02:40:08.000 Like, I like other girls and I don't want to wear girly clothes.

02:40:11.000 And I don't, like, I must be a boy.

02:40:13.000 And then they transition and a couple years down the line they're like, I'm not a boy, I'm a lesbian.

02:40:18.000 So there's all these things.

02:40:21.000 So how do you know what's what?

02:40:23.000 How do you know who's getting influenced by culture and society? 0.98

02:40:27.000 And one of the things about Kristen Beck is that she grew up in a fucking military town, like in a small town in the middle of nowhere in Texas and did not have any transgender ideology. 1.00

02:40:37.000 So all of the ideas that that was pushed on her or that she was indoctrinated, it doesn't work with her. 0.95

02:40:43.000 So for sure, there are people out there that are experiencing the same thing that Kristen Beck experienced, the same thing other people experience too, where they feel like they're in the wrong body.

02:40:54.000 And then also for sure, there's people like Abigail Schreier is talking about that may be being influenced by the trendiness of it, by the social contagion aspect of it.

02:41:06.000 We have to be able to look at all these possibilities and to say that it's binary.

02:41:11.000 Either you are a woman or you're a man. 0.62

02:41:14.000 You recognize yourself as a woman or a man or that's it.

02:41:18.000 And you are.

02:41:19.000 Oh, you are a woman. 1.00

02:41:20.000 You've always been a woman. 1.00

02:41:21.000 Okay.

02:41:22.000 I guess I'm a woman.

02:41:23.000 To make it like that and to avoid all nuance.

02:41:28.000 And to avoid all these other possibilities, to avoid this term, gender dysphoria, to avoid all of this information about whether or not this is even effective or if it makes people happy.

02:41:42.000 What is going on?

02:41:44.000 As soon as you can't discuss an issue without being fearful of being attacked by people that don't agree with you, It becomes very problematic because people get scared.

02:41:55.000 They become cowards.

02:41:56.000 And you get people on one side that will virtue signal and they'll claim to fight against you. 1.00

02:42:01.000 You know, she's a piece of shit. 1.00

02:42:03.000 I fucking hate her. 1.00

02:42:04.000 We gotta take her down. 1.00

02:42:05.000 Yeah, we gotta take her down. 1.00

02:42:06.000 And they'll do it to, like, let the tribe know that they're on the right side.

02:42:09.000 And you also, like, hack political commentators that'll do that. 1.00

02:42:12.000 And they're just doing it because they're just dumb and sloppy. 1.00

02:42:15.000 And that's how they behave. 1.00

02:42:16.000 And they'll find something that they can rally against.

02:42:19.000 And it's good for clicks, you know?

02:42:22.000 Yeah, I mean, they need a headline.

02:42:24.000 Yeah, they need something to fight against because they don't really have interesting, nuanced opinions. 0.99

02:42:29.000 They have, you know, it's bullshit culture. 0.99

02:42:32.000 This hot take culture, it's a wild culture because there's a whole industry of hot take assholes out there and all they do is live for hot takes. 0.99

02:42:40.000 And what they don't understand is people lose all faith in your actual opinions on things when you're just doing these hot takes. 0.94

02:42:47.000 Because now I don't know you.

02:42:48.000 I don't know you.

02:42:49.000 I know the titles of these outrageous clips.

02:42:53.000 I know you screaming at the camera.

02:42:55.000 I know all the stuff that people do.

02:42:57.000 Or crying on the camera about all the harassment that you got as a female journalist online before you went and tried to ruin somebody else's life. 1.00

02:43:03.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those too.

02:43:05.000 But I don't know them, because they're not honest.

02:43:08.000 And that's why they don't resonate.

02:43:09.000 That's why it doesn't work well.

02:43:10.000 I mean, that's gotta, like, harm those people who are doing it, too.

02:43:15.000 Because imagine if you were under that kind of pressure to continue, like, to come up with hot takes on, like, a variety of subjects every single day.

02:43:23.000 Like, I don't write about something unless, like, I've thought about it a lot.

02:43:27.000 Yeah.

02:43:28.000 Like, I'm not gonna, like, just be like, oh, what's your opinion on this?

02:43:31.000 Like, some of it, some...

02:43:33.000 I'll have some answers for some questions if it's stuff that I've thought about.

02:43:37.000 I think this, I think that.

02:43:38.000 But if it's something I don't know, I'm just going to be like, I don't know.

02:43:41.000 I don't know anything about this.

02:43:41.000 I don't have an opinion.

02:43:42.000 Writing is very different than hot takes because I have hot takes on things.

02:43:46.000 What do you think about fat phobia? 1.00

02:43:48.000 I think it's bullshit. 1.00

02:43:50.000 Listen, I'm a healthy person by effort. 0.99

02:43:53.000 I work out very hard at it.

02:43:56.000 I've been doing it my whole life.

02:43:57.000 The idea that you have the same...

02:44:02.000 The idea that a person can decide to eat unhealthy, to let their body balloon to morbid obesity, and you don't discuss that, you don't ever bring that up, you don't tell them that,

02:44:18.000 you don't say it's unhealthy.

02:44:19.000 The doctor's not allowed to tell you that?

02:44:20.000 There's even doctors that will lie and cite nonsense and pretend that it's healthy to be fat and there's nothing wrong with it and actually dieting is unhealthy.

02:44:30.000 Yeah.

02:44:30.000 There's so many things that are linked to obesity, so many diseases, so many problems.

02:44:37.000 People will say, oh, skinny people can be unhealthy too.

02:44:41.000 It's true.

02:44:41.000 Yep.

02:44:42.000 It's totally true.

02:44:43.000 They're right, but not to the same numbers.

02:44:45.000 They're not even close, unless you're talking about anorexics.

02:44:48.000 If you talk about people that are up optimum weight, the amount of, I mean, depending upon their diet, of course, I mean, someone could have a terrible diet and you get a bunch of diseases that are connected to that, but obesity is a rough one.

02:45:01.000 That's one of the things we learned during COVID. There was one point in time where 78% of the people who were in the ICU were obese.

02:45:06.000 It makes me so angry.

02:45:08.000 It makes me so angry that they created all this hysteria around COVID and pretended that anybody could just die of COVID in a second when we knew full well that it was old people and fat people, 0.77

02:45:25.000 really unhealthy people.

02:45:26.000 And it's like, Shut down the gyms. 0.93

02:45:28.000 Shut down the gyms because people who are unhealthy and fat are dying of this disease.

02:45:33.000 So shut down healthy people's lives and force them to be unhealthy.

02:45:37.000 That's the solution.

02:45:39.000 Well, I think it was an interesting case because it clearly was more dangerous than anything we've ever experienced before in terms of infectious disease.

02:45:46.000 It's clearly more dangerous than the flu, clearly more dangerous than a lot of things.

02:45:50.000 But you weren't allowed to look at it like you look at those other things.

02:45:54.000 But everybody wasn't at equal risk.

02:45:56.000 No, no, no.

02:45:56.000 They were not.

02:45:57.000 But a lot of people who you didn't think were at risk got fucked up by it too, which is really interesting because I don't think it's even across the board. 0.99

02:46:04.000 Look, I think there's a high probability that that fucking thing came from a lab. 0.99

02:46:08.000 And it behaves like something that came from a lab. 0.99

02:46:12.000 And that's why it's wild.

02:46:13.000 It's wild because there's people that have, you know, no problem with the flu. 0.99

02:46:17.000 And they got fucking wrecked by COVID. Like, real bad. 0.98

02:46:20.000 Lungs scarred, decreased oxygen capacity, decreased cardiovascular output, all that stuff.

02:46:26.000 I don't know a single person who had, like, a horrible experience with COVID. Oh, I do.

02:46:30.000 I tested positive and I had zero symptoms.

02:46:33.000 Well, let me tell you about Hamzat Chemayev, okay? 0.99

02:46:35.000 Because Hamzat Chemayev is one of the best fighters in the UFC, one of the best up-and-coming contenders.

02:46:39.000 He was hospitalized multiple times for COVID. He was spitting blood up in his toilet bowl and tried to retire, coughing blood up in the toilet.

02:46:47.000 Because of COVID? Because of COVID. Yeah.

02:46:49.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:46:49.000 Yeah, and he's a fucking elite top of the food chain assassin. 1.00

02:46:53.000 But here's what happened. 0.98

02:46:54.000 He didn't give himself a chance to recover.

02:46:56.000 He got COVID and he tried to train. 0.98

02:46:59.000 And he was training while he had COVID and he fucked himself up and he, you know, it got stronger. 0.99

02:47:03.000 And then he was admitted to the ICU. He almost died. 1.00

02:47:06.000 He was admitted to the hospital more than once on multiple occasions. 1.00

02:47:10.000 Because he's just fucking psycho and he kept training and he didn't give his body a chance to recover. 0.99

02:47:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:15.000 I mean, I'm not saying I haven't heard these stories. 0.99

02:47:17.000 I'm literally talking about people I know in real life.

02:47:19.000 And everybody that I know in real life who got COVID, like, stayed home in bed until they felt better.

02:47:25.000 My friend Michael Yeo got COVID. And he got COVID early on in the pandemic.

02:47:28.000 And he was hospitalized for weeks.

02:47:30.000 And he thought he was going to die.

02:47:32.000 And it was real bad.

02:47:34.000 But I don't know whether or not he was healthy at the time.

02:47:39.000 I know he was exhausted.

02:47:41.000 He told me the whole story of how he flew to New York, did press, flew back, drove to Vegas with his family, and then drove back the next day and then tested positive for COVID and was wrecked.

02:47:52.000 But just doing that alone, that's six hours of driving, after flying, hanging out with your wife's family, everybody getting together, probably having a couple cocktails, laughing, not getting enough sleep, jet lagged.

02:48:02.000 Well, that's how you get real sick.

02:48:04.000 Like, I got a cold that turned into bronchitis and then turned into frickin' pneumonia.

02:48:09.000 Right.

02:48:10.000 Because I had to travel.

02:48:11.000 Right, exactly.

02:48:12.000 Because I was, like, way overtired.

02:48:14.000 I couldn't take care of myself.

02:48:15.000 I couldn't get, like, the vitamins that I needed.

02:48:17.000 I couldn't rest enough.

02:48:19.000 I couldn't get the food that I needed.

02:48:20.000 I had to go on all these planes.

02:48:21.000 I had to work.

02:48:22.000 And I just, like, yeah, I couldn't heal.

02:48:24.000 And so it turned into pneumonia.

02:48:26.000 Exactly.

02:48:26.000 And that is something that happens to people with COVID. So that's what gets the really healthy people.

02:48:32.000 So when they bring that up as an example... 0.97

02:48:34.000 The problem is, if you are a person that has to fly and has to work late and has to do things where you're not getting enough sleep, then it's fucking dangerous.

02:48:43.000 Because if you're taxed out and that hits you.

02:48:46.000 When it got me, the first day I was like, whoa. 0.98

02:48:49.000 I was like, this is fucking strong. 0.96

02:48:51.000 I was like, this is interesting. 0.99

02:48:52.000 Because it hits you so quick.

02:48:54.000 I was like, from the moment I was on the plane, I was feeling funky.

02:48:58.000 And then I just thought I was hungover.

02:49:01.000 And then I got back to Texas, and that night I was sweating.

02:49:07.000 And I was freezing.

02:49:08.000 I sweat through three different pairs of sweatpants.

02:49:11.000 Mm-hmm.

02:49:11.000 Or a sweatshirt and a hood been freezing, right?

02:49:14.000 So I'd change, shiver in, put a new one on, get back under the covers.

02:49:19.000 I was sleeping by myself.

02:49:21.000 I told my wife I was probably sick and then I moved to the other side of the bed and moved to her side and soaked that side too.

02:49:28.000 But that's because of all those things that I said.

02:49:31.000 I was drinking.

02:49:33.000 I was flying.

02:49:34.000 I was in Florida.

02:49:35.000 We played pool until 3.30 in the morning.

02:49:38.000 And I had like five margaritas.

02:49:40.000 And then the next day did a show and then flew back that night.

02:49:44.000 So it was a lot of environmental stress, alcohol, shows, this, that, the other thing.

02:49:50.000 But I still got over it pretty quick.

02:49:53.000 But that's how illness works.

02:49:55.000 That's how you get sick and then you get too sick.

02:49:58.000 Exactly.

02:49:59.000 My whole family had it at one point in time early in the pandemic and I didn't get it and I didn't do anything to avoid it.

02:50:05.000 I didn't do anything.

02:50:06.000 I was hugging my kids when I had it and I felt weak a couple of days.

02:50:09.000 I was like, whoa, I wonder if this is going to get me.

02:50:12.000 Like when I would go to work out, I knew something was going on.

02:50:17.000 It did not feel normal.

02:50:18.000 So I said, it was at my house.

02:50:21.000 And I had five days off.

02:50:23.000 So I was like, we could figure this out.

02:50:25.000 I'm like, let's just see what's going on here.

02:50:27.000 And so I worked out.

02:50:28.000 And when I worked out, I was like, something's wrong.

02:50:30.000 This does not feel like me. 0.99

02:50:32.000 I'm like, I'm just going to go light and break a sweat and don't be an asshole. 0.98

02:50:36.000 And I did that two days in a row, and then by the third day I got into the gym, I'm like, I feel pretty fucking good. 0.99

02:50:40.000 And then I worked out pretty hard.

02:50:42.000 But I tested negative every day.

02:50:44.000 I never tested positive.

02:50:46.000 I tested myself every single day.

02:50:48.000 That's funny because the one time that I thought that I got it and I was like, this is weird.

02:50:54.000 And I couldn't get out of bed.

02:50:56.000 I was just exhausted.

02:50:57.000 I was sweating a lot too.

02:50:58.000 And I had this weird dry cough that never turned anything.

02:51:01.000 It was just a consistently dry cough.

02:51:03.000 And I was like, I probably have COVID, so I just stayed home.

02:51:06.000 I had tried to go to the gym very early on and I was so tired.

02:51:10.000 I just was like, I can't do anything.

02:51:11.000 Did you test for antibodies?

02:51:14.000 You guys tested me for antibodies and I didn't have them.

02:51:18.000 How many months out from your being sick was it?

02:51:23.000 It was a long time after, I think.

02:51:25.000 Jamie's got superhuman antibodies.

02:51:27.000 You should see his antibody level.

02:51:28.000 Amazing. 0.99

02:51:29.000 He pulls it out like a big dick just to show everybody. 1.00

02:51:31.000 What does it protect him from? 1.00

02:51:32.000 Well, he's just been exposed to a lot of dirty girls. 1.00

02:51:35.000 So you can't get chlamydia anymore either, huh? 0.96

02:51:38.000 That's how that works, right?

02:51:40.000 Is that how it works?

02:51:40.000 You only get it once?

02:51:42.000 If you get it enough times, then you're immune.

02:51:44.000 But Jamie got COVID in October of 2020. He got it early, early on.

02:51:51.000 And then, like recently, you had a...

02:51:56.000 Didn't you have an antibody test real recently that was fat?

02:52:02.000 I want to say maybe someone that didn't have a strong line, so I was like, let me show you a strong line.

02:52:07.000 Yeah, you know what it was?

02:52:08.000 It was Protect Our Parks.

02:52:10.000 Okay.

02:52:10.000 It was when Norman and Gillis had just gotten over COVID, and so we wanted to see.

02:52:16.000 And his fucking lines are fat, so he's got crazy antibodies. 0.98

02:52:20.000 I mean, you guys tested me here for antibodies, so that would have been like a year ago. 0.99

02:52:26.000 I haven't tried since then.

02:52:29.000 They say you have T and B cell memory too, which is interesting.

02:52:33.000 It's like even if your body doesn't have antibodies, it has memory and it can develop those antibodies if you're coming in contact with it.

02:52:40.000 Some of these guys that work here, they didn't catch COVID a second time, but they came in contact with it and then they felt like weird and then it showed up that they had antibodies.

02:52:50.000 So like when Mercy would test us, it would show that your levels indicate that something recently, your body tried to fight it off recently.

02:53:00.000 Interesting.

02:53:01.000 I feel like a lot of people treat COVID based on anecdotal evidence or what they read in the media.

02:53:10.000 It's hard not to though.

02:53:12.000 If you don't read it in the media or you don't get it anecdotally, what information are you getting other than that?

02:53:18.000 For most people, unless you're reading scientific papers.

02:53:22.000 Even scientific papers have conflicting information.

02:53:26.000 Right, depending upon who's running the study and what the parameters of the study were, and especially if they went into the study with a bias and they tried to accomplish a certain thing.

02:53:36.000 Yeah, of course.

02:53:37.000 My experience is that I left Vancouver during COVID and I moved to Mexico and everything was fine there.

02:53:46.000 Well, I left LA and I came to Texas and everything was normal.

02:53:51.000 People were normal here in May of 2020. It was wild.

02:53:54.000 People walking around with no masks on, all friendly.

02:53:57.000 We were all packed into bars, spitting in each other's faces, sharing food, sharing drinks, sharing cigarettes.

02:54:03.000 The thing that did me in when I got sick, for sure 100%, was that I was drinking and flying.

02:54:07.000 I was drinking in Florida, stayed up really late, was exhausted, and then had to fly the next day, did a show, had to fly that night.

02:54:17.000 It was a lot.

02:54:18.000 I get sick a lot when I fly, just in general.

02:54:21.000 Like, I have to be real careful about my health. 0.92

02:54:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not good for your body to be that fucking high up in the air. 0.79

02:54:27.000 And that air that you're breathing. 0.87

02:54:29.000 I know it's recycled air, and I know it's supposed to be purified and everything like that.

02:54:33.000 And it always makes me exhausted and dehydrated.

02:54:35.000 Yeah.

02:54:35.000 You're also probably getting cooked by radiation.

02:54:39.000 Is that what happens on the plane?

02:54:41.000 They cook you with radiation?

02:54:43.000 I don't know if it's bad for you, but I do know that you get exposed to high levels of radiation when you fly.

02:54:49.000 I want to say high levels, higher levels of radiation.

02:54:53.000 I wonder if stewardesses have issues, flight attendants have issues with radiation. 1.00

02:54:59.000 I had no idea that you were being exposed to radiation.

02:55:03.000 Yeah, see, let's Google it.

02:55:04.000 Here it goes.

02:55:06.000 We are exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly.

02:55:09.000 You'd be exposed to about 0.035 MSV, 3.5 MREM of cosmic radiation if you were to fly within the United States from the East Coast to the West Coast.

02:55:21.000 This amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation we receive from one chest x-ray.

02:55:27.000 So that's probably fine.

02:55:28.000 Yeah, but how much less?

02:55:29.000 I don't really know anything about radiation.

02:55:31.000 But the thing is, like, a chest x-ray, you have to wear a lead vest.

02:55:35.000 Oh, right.

02:55:35.000 That's a good point.

02:55:36.000 Because they're worried about cooking your fucking organs. 1.00

02:55:38.000 Like, that's not a good... 1.00

02:55:39.000 Like, chest x-rays are fucking bad for you. 0.98

02:55:42.000 Okay. 0.97

02:55:42.000 I mean, there's a reason why they put that vest on you. 0.97

02:55:46.000 Right? 1.00

02:55:46.000 Don't they protect your junk? 1.00

02:55:48.000 Do they protect your junk? 0.99

02:55:48.000 Well, they do it when they give you x-rays at the dentist, too. 0.99

02:55:51.000 They protect you.

02:55:52.000 Or they protect, like, they put something on you here. 1.00

02:55:55.000 Don't protect your fucking brain. 1.00

02:55:56.000 They don't give you a lead helmet like Magneto. 1.00

02:55:58.000 That's weird, eh?

02:55:59.000 It's weird.

02:56:00.000 That argument, I don't see.

02:56:02.000 Air travel exposed you to radiation.

02:56:04.000 How much risk?

02:56:06.000 So does it show us there?

02:56:07.000 Okay.

02:56:08.000 It says your dose, that thing you just had, that little circle right there.

02:56:12.000 So it says your dose.

02:56:14.000 I guess that red is the...

02:56:17.000 What's the big one at the bottom there?

02:56:20.000 Is that the x-ray?

02:56:22.000 That upper left-hand corner?

02:56:23.000 Sorry, the big red thing.

02:56:25.000 It's the upper left-hand corner of the screen.

02:56:27.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:56:29.000 What is the big red one at the bottom?

02:56:30.000 What does that say?

02:56:31.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

02:56:33.000 A single dose fatal, it's about radiation poisoning, I think.

02:56:37.000 Oh, okay, so where's the flight?

02:56:40.000 Which one's a flight?

02:56:41.000 Is it the little tiny one?

02:56:42.000 40, yeah.

02:56:43.000 Okay, so 40 and then...

02:56:46.000 Can you make that a little bigger?

02:56:47.000 So abdominally...

02:56:48.000 Okay, that's cool.

02:56:49.000 Abdominal x-ray is 200. A flight is 40. A dental x-ray is only 5, but they still throw that lead vest on you.

02:56:58.000 So think about that. 1.00

02:57:00.000 Think about that shit. 1.00

02:57:01.000 Hip x-ray is a little bit more, though. 1.00

02:57:03.000 I did not know this.

02:57:04.000 800 for hip x-ray.

02:57:05.000 Ooh, apex rays.

02:57:07.000 There's a chest CT scan, which...

02:57:09.000 Whoa.

02:57:10.000 I guess that's a little bit more.

02:57:11.000 A CT scan?

02:57:12.000 Interesting.

02:57:13.000 It's 12,000... 1.00

02:57:14.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

02:57:15.000 ...whatever units that is. 1.00

02:57:16.000 That's a lot.

02:57:17.000 What's an MRI? Is that in there?

02:57:19.000 Well, that's magnetic resonance imagery.

02:57:21.000 I don't think that's radiation.

02:57:24.000 And then it says like 400,000 is a dose that would cause symptoms of radiation poisoning.

02:57:29.000 Yeah, but that, like, over how much time? 0.99

02:57:31.000 Like, there's got to be a reason why they throw that fucking lead vest on you.

02:57:34.000 Well, so yeah, this one is also saying a frequent flyer, so that someone who's flying a lot is going to have almost... 0.98

02:57:40.000 Oh, see, there it is.

02:57:42.000 Look at that.

02:57:43.000 Frequent flyer from New York to Los Angeles has 480, as opposed to 200 from an abdomen x-ray.

02:57:50.000 So what does that mean?

02:57:51.000 That's a lot of radiation.

02:57:53.000 What happens then if you're exposed to that much?

02:57:55.000 But that's over time.

02:57:56.000 You can read minds.

02:57:59.000 Well, then great!

02:58:00.000 In the comic books, that's always what happened. 1.00

02:58:02.000 In the comic books, you got radiation, you became cool as fuck. 0.95

02:58:05.000 How much do we get from the sun? 0.98

02:58:07.000 Don't we get some?

02:58:08.000 Not, I guess.

02:58:09.000 Yeah, you must get some.

02:58:10.000 Solar radiation.

02:58:10.000 Just hanging out outside, don't you get radiation?

02:58:12.000 Well, the thing is, everything has radiation.

02:58:14.000 Rocks have radiation.

02:58:16.000 If you are exposed to rocks, like you touch a hot rock, that rock has radiation.

02:58:21.000 Okay.

02:58:22.000 But it's very, very little.

02:58:23.000 Like, people are worried about your cell phone.

02:58:25.000 The radiation from your cell phone!

02:58:28.000 Maybe.

02:58:28.000 Is it bad?

02:58:29.000 I don't know.

02:58:30.000 Some people think it is. 0.83

02:58:31.000 You're supposed to not put them on your genitals. 0.96

02:58:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:58:34.000 Your cell phone.

02:58:34.000 Elon doesn't think it's bad, so I'm like, tell me what to do.

02:58:38.000 I'm not too worried about my cell phone.

02:58:41.000 But if you listened by your ear on one side of your head and then developed a tumor...

02:58:46.000 Here's a little comparison chart that maybe helps.

02:58:49.000 Okay.

02:58:49.000 Ultrasound or MRI, radiation exposure equivalent to zero days of natural radiation, zero hours of flying.

02:58:57.000 Lower back x-ray, radiation exposure is equivalent to 213 days of natural radiation.

02:59:14.000 So if you're a stewardess, you're getting cooked.

02:59:20.000 Are you allowed to say stewardess anymore?

02:59:22.000 Is it a stewardess?

02:59:24.000 I don't know.

02:59:25.000 I say stewardess, but I think you're supposed to say flight attendant.

02:59:29.000 Actresses are just actors. 1.00

02:59:31.000 Female actors.

02:59:32.000 I don't care about any of that stuff anymore.

02:59:34.000 No?

02:59:34.000 I think maybe I went through a phase of caring a little bit, but I don't care about calling people retards.

02:59:41.000 I don't care about calling people bitches or cunts or assholes or dickbags or motherfuckers. 1.00

02:59:48.000 Keep going. 1.00

02:59:51.000 I mean, I have like a potty mouth, but I just, I feel like it's not important.

02:59:55.000 That's not the important thing.

02:59:57.000 You know what phrase went away?

02:59:58.000 Comedienne.

02:59:59.000 I don't even remember that being a thing.

03:00:01.000 Yeah, it was female comedian. 1.00

03:00:03.000 That's silly. 0.97

03:00:03.000 Well, comedian Miss Pat. 0.97

03:00:05.000 Miss Pat was one of the funniest people alive. 1.00

03:00:07.000 She has like, comedian Miss Pat is her Instagram.

03:00:12.000 That was like Comedienne, I think.

03:00:16.000 Is that it?

03:00:17.000 I've never heard that.

03:00:18.000 You never heard Comedienne?

03:00:20.000 No, I don't think so.

03:00:20.000 Yes, there it is.

03:00:22.000 Comedienne.

03:00:23.000 A female Comedienne. 0.95

03:00:26.000 Just weird.

03:00:27.000 Weird.

03:00:28.000 Because comics don't use it.

03:00:29.000 Yeah.

03:00:30.000 I mean, it is really unnecessary, I think.

03:00:34.000 But also, I don't care.

03:00:37.000 Like, I feel like people tried to make that, like, it's not an actress.

03:00:41.000 Actor.

03:00:42.000 Everyone's an actor.

03:00:43.000 I'm like, who cares?

03:00:44.000 It's a female actress.

03:00:45.000 It's a female actor.

03:00:47.000 Yeah.

03:00:48.000 Like, I don't think that's the important thing.

03:00:50.000 I think that what's happening in real life is the important thing.

03:00:53.000 Oh, yeah.

03:00:53.000 You know what I mean?

03:00:53.000 No, for sure.

03:00:54.000 I just think it's interesting, the phrases that just get adopted.

03:00:57.000 And with comedy, it just got abandoned for whatever reason.

03:01:00.000 Interesting.

03:01:01.000 Yeah.

03:01:01.000 I mean...

03:01:03.000 You would think, but it's obviously not true, that that's because, like, comedy can't be woke, because how do you make jokes if everything's supposed to be woke?

03:01:10.000 But obviously they've woked comedy, so...

03:01:12.000 Or they've tried to, in any case.

03:01:14.000 I feel like it was short-lived, because I feel like the unwoking of comedy came around pretty fast.

03:01:20.000 Like, I feel like there was, like, a period of time when they were trying to, like, make woke comedy happen, and then people like Ricky Gervais and, like, Dave Chappelle were like, nah... 0.99

03:01:30.000 Well, first of all, Ricky Gervais' new shit is fucking hilarious. 0.99

03:01:35.000 Oh, it's so good. 1.00

03:01:35.000 It's hilarious. 1.00

03:01:36.000 But it's also when you are trying to be woke, you are saying, I adhere to the ideology.

03:01:44.000 I will speak only the phrases that empower and enlighten.

03:01:48.000 That's not comedy.

03:01:49.000 No. 1.00

03:01:49.000 Comedy is talking shit. 1.00

03:01:51.000 Comedy is you have a couple of drinks and you say something fucked up to your friend, you both laugh hysterically. 1.00

03:01:55.000 Or you call each other up and you don't even mean what you're saying, but you're saying something to be funny. 0.79

03:01:59.000 That's comedy.

03:02:00.000 And when you want to pretend that that's a statement, you're going to lose me as an actual human.

03:02:05.000 I can't talk to you as a real individual anymore because I know you're playing a game.

03:02:08.000 So I can't take what you're saying seriously any longer.

03:02:11.000 Because now you're not really having a conversation with me.

03:02:13.000 You're just trying to force me into your ideology for social brownie points.

03:02:17.000 I'm not gonna do that.

03:02:19.000 Yeah.

03:02:19.000 Well, yeah, and it's not authentic.

03:02:21.000 No.

03:02:22.000 It's phony. 1.00

03:02:23.000 Tor shit. 1.00

03:02:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:02:24.000 And it's like, I'm willing to have a reasonable conversation with anybody about any subject, but if you want to pretend that jokes aren't jokes, we can't talk. 0.99

03:02:35.000 You can't say that you can't joke about things.

03:02:37.000 You can't say that that Ricky Gervais stuff is offensive.

03:02:40.000 It might have offended you.

03:02:41.000 It didn't offend me.

03:02:42.000 It's so funny, though.

03:02:43.000 It was hilarious.

03:02:44.000 I mean, I feel sort of like jokes and humor trump all.

03:02:47.000 Like, if it's funny, then I'm like, okay, but it's funny.

03:02:50.000 So, yeah, if it works, like, I, yeah, I guess I just, I think that there's some people who actually, I really don't like these people, who actually don't have a sense of humor.

03:03:02.000 They just don't care.

03:03:05.000 Humor is not important to them and they kind of don't really get it.

03:03:09.000 There's a lot of that.

03:03:10.000 People are like, this is offensive.

03:03:12.000 A lot of times it's phony, but I think there genuinely are people who are like, well, I didn't get it, so it's not funny.

03:03:18.000 It's like, no, you didn't get it because you have a bad sense of humor.

03:03:21.000 There's that.

03:03:22.000 And there's also people that are authoritarians and they don't like comedy because it's a loophole.

03:03:26.000 Right.

03:03:26.000 Because if they want to tell you what to do, you know, and you are joking around about something, they're like, no, you can't joke around about that.

03:03:33.000 And they'll tell you, this is off limits for comedy. 0.97

03:03:36.000 And then they want to fucking protest. 0.99

03:03:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:03:38.000 That's what it is.

03:03:39.000 It's like they're just upset that in their mind, like there are things you just can't joke around about.

03:03:45.000 And in their mind, it's, you know, whatever their ideology says.

03:03:49.000 Yeah.

03:03:50.000 I mean, I guess it's just it's so controlling.

03:03:53.000 Yeah.

03:03:53.000 Like I'm so weirded out by this culture where people think that they are entitled to control other people, what other people think, what other people say, what other people joke about.

03:04:03.000 And I don't understand the desire to do that either.

03:04:06.000 It's like like let people live.

03:04:08.000 Why are you so obsessed with what other people are doing?

03:04:12.000 Is that because you don't have anything interesting going on in your life or you feel out of control in your own life?

03:04:18.000 I keep trying to look at it through a psychological lens, I suppose, and I don't...

03:04:27.000 Doesn't make sense.

03:04:28.000 No.

03:04:28.000 Yeah.

03:04:29.000 But it's just a natural human trait, a natural human characteristic, whether it's through religion or through culture, to get people to adhere to the boundaries that you've set for your group.

03:04:40.000 And if someone tries to stray outside those boundaries and joke about things or do something or say something or have some sort of an opinion that's forbidden...

03:04:49.000 And you want to signal that you're part of the in-group, which is tribalism also, right?

03:04:54.000 So you're like, I'm part of this group, so I believe this, so I won't tolerate this.

03:04:59.000 You're part of the out-group. 0.69

03:05:00.000 Megan, I have to pee so bad.

03:05:01.000 I have to pee, too!

03:05:02.000 I kept being like, should I interrupt?

03:05:04.000 Because I really have to be...

03:05:05.000 Let's wrap this up.

03:05:06.000 Tell people, you said it before, but say it again, your sub stack...

03:05:10.000 Oh, it's just Megan Murphy, so M-E-G-H-N. There it is. 0.98

03:05:13.000 The same drugs with Megan Murphy.

03:05:15.000 Also...

03:05:16.000 Oh, sorry.

03:05:16.000 Go ahead.

03:05:18.000 So is this going to come out tomorrow?

03:05:21.000 Tomorrow, yeah.

03:05:21.000 So tomorrow, people, if they still want to come, they can still buy tickets to this event.

03:05:26.000 What day is the event?

03:05:27.000 June 10. June 10. Friday at 6 p.m.

03:05:30.000 And where's it at?

03:05:31.000 Austin Central Library.

03:05:32.000 It's called Women Leaving the Left. 1.00

03:05:35.000 So that's...

03:05:37.000 Yeah, 710 West Cesar Chavez.

03:05:40.000 Cesar Chavez, yes.

03:05:42.000 Yeah.

03:05:43.000 Eventbrite.

03:05:43.000 People know what it is.

03:05:44.000 It's easy to find.

03:05:45.000 Go to my Instagram.

03:05:46.000 The link's there.

03:05:48.000 Buy tickets online if you would like to come.

03:05:51.000 Anyway, thank you so much for having me.

03:05:52.000 This was really fun.

03:05:53.000 It was so great to see you again.

03:05:54.000 It was fun.

03:05:55.000 Yeah.

03:05:55.000 All right.

03:05:55.000 Bye, everybody.

03:05:56.000 Bye!

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 10, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1830 - Meghan Murphy

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