The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1853 - Jeremy Corbell

00:00:10.000 Jeremy, it's all your fault.

00:00:14.000 Which part?

00:00:15.000 How I got back into UFOs.

00:00:16.000 It's all your fault.

00:00:17.000 If it wasn't for that awesome documentary on Bob Lazar, you got me, buddy.

00:00:23.000 I want to weaponize your curiosity, Joe.

00:00:26.000 Dave Foley got you back in.

00:00:28.000 No, he didn't.

00:00:29.000 No, no.

00:00:31.000 Dave Foley, I was excited to hear that he had become obsessed with UFOs, but he didn't really get me back in.

00:00:37.000 It was the documentary.

00:00:38.000 The documentary was so compelling.

00:00:40.000 It's really good.

00:00:40.000 And folks, if you haven't seen it, it's called Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers.

00:00:46.000 Nailed it.

00:00:47.000 Yeah, it's really good.

00:00:48.000 Thanks, man.

00:00:49.000 That documentary for me was the reason why I started making films.

00:00:53.000 I picked up a camera.

00:00:54.000 I just wanted to know if the guy was telling the truth.

00:00:56.000 I was not a filmmaker.

00:00:57.000 I was highly unqualified, like a lot of things that I do in my life that I end up loving.

00:01:02.000 So that movie, the story, is what made me interested, too.

00:01:06.000 How did you get Mickey Rourke? 0.99

00:01:08.000 Well, that's a fucking weird story. 0.99

00:01:11.000 There's a tattoo shop called Mark Mahoney's Shamrock Social Club. 0.99

00:01:16.000 Do you know about this?

00:01:16.000 Yeah, I've heard of that place before.

00:01:17.000 Okay.

00:01:18.000 So Mark's been a good friend of mine, or I've been a friend of his since I was probably too young to be getting tattoos.

00:01:23.000 And he let me come in and film for a couple years right before that movie.

00:01:28.000 And he doesn't let a lot of people in there to film.

00:01:32.000 And Mickey came in one day, and Mark's like, oh, you know, Jeremy's filming.

00:01:37.000 You want to talk about UFOs? 0.99

00:01:38.000 And Mickey's like looking at me like, you know, what the fuck's this guy? 0.98

00:01:42.000 Somehow, he ends up taking this stiletto and trying to stick me in the ribs with it, just kind of joking. 0.99

00:01:48.000 But you got Mickey Rourke with a stiletto just getting a tattoo, kind of jabbing you.

00:01:53.000 So that kind of bonded us, kind of.

00:01:55.000 He was trying to stab you?

00:01:57.000 He was poking me. 0.96

00:01:59.000 Yeah, he was poking me in the ribs. 0.98

00:02:00.000 So that was my introduction to Mickey, but he's got this voice that's like a fucking Tibetan monk, you know, like gravelly. 0.96

00:02:09.000 And I know because I had to take his audio. 0.96

00:02:12.000 And listen to it.

00:02:13.000 And it's just, it's so bizarre. 0.84

00:02:14.000 And I thought, who better to do this, like, controversial story than the controversial Mickey fucking Rourke talking poetry, you know, through the film.

00:02:25.000 So he was kind of that voice of our curiosity in the film. 0.71

00:02:28.000 So that's how I got him.

00:02:29.000 But basically, I just sent an offer, and he never responded.

00:02:34.000 So I went back to the tattoo shop randomly one day to see Mark.

00:02:37.000 In walks Mickey, and I made a joke.

00:02:39.000 It was like, oh, you just like to poke me with a stiletto, but you don't take my movie offer seriously.

00:02:44.000 And he goes, what offer?

00:02:45.000 And I'm like, I need a narrator.

00:02:48.000 In the next seven days, I have to deliver the film.

00:02:51.000 And he goes, I never got the offer. 0.96

00:02:53.000 The next fucking day, he came in, because I know Mark was telling him, help the kid out. 0.99

00:02:58.000 He came in, and he fucking recorded with me. 1.00

00:03:01.000 He saved my ass, man. 0.99

00:03:02.000 Otherwise, they'd have to hear my voice in the movie because I didn't have anybody. 0.99

00:03:05.000 Well, your voice would have been fine, but it was cool to have his voice.

00:03:08.000 Thank you. 1.00

00:03:09.000 I love that shit, man. 1.00

00:03:10.000 People say his mouth sounds like he's got marbles in it. 1.00

00:03:13.000 I fucking love it. 0.98

00:03:14.000 That guy's lived a weird life, you know? 0.97

00:03:16.000 Yeah, but you know, I think people like that sometimes are misunderstood.

00:03:22.000 I've seen this incredible side of him in that he's a gentle person.

00:03:28.000 Is he fascinated with UFOs?

00:03:31.000 He told me his UFO experience.

00:03:35.000 He had a UFO experience?

00:03:36.000 He did.

00:03:37.000 He did, and he let me record it with him.

00:03:40.000 And I think like anybody, he's interested in this topic.

00:03:44.000 I think once you see something that you can't explain, it gets worse, you know, you get a little more frustrated about it.

00:03:52.000 Because, you know, you want to learn, what did I just see?

00:03:55.000 So I think he, like most of us, you know, are interested in it.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 Well, let's just get into it because there's been a lot going on lately.

00:04:07.000 Obviously, there's been a shit ton of sightings and there's been a lot of discussion with high-level people about what these things are.

00:04:17.000 What's the latest and greatest in UFO information?

00:04:22.000 Right.

00:04:22.000 The world, in my opinion, has really changed since we started talking about this.

00:04:29.000 So our history is, you know, you asked me to come in with Bob.

00:04:33.000 We did that.

00:04:33.000 Okay, the idea that there's craft, that maybe our government has some and been reverse engineering them.

00:04:39.000 And then came in with Fravor, and we talked about his personal military encounter.

00:04:44.000 And then our history goes to then George Knapp is here, who's like the godfather of the history of this.

00:04:51.000 Bam! 0.98

00:04:51.000 After that episode, man, things started really going crazy. 0.98

00:04:55.000 And this is where our Senate and Senate Intelligence Committee and our Congress and our Senate was like, we want a preliminary report.

00:05:05.000 We now know that there were these UFO programs, ASAP and AATIP. We want a report.

00:05:11.000 And remember that was like pending, that was looming, a report's coming.

00:05:14.000 So George and I made a little plan to poke the bear.

00:05:19.000 You know, we're like, what can we put out that is like good, solid evidence that shows we need to talk about this?

00:05:26.000 So that's when we took the opportunity to make those drops, right?

00:05:30.000 And those drops were nine pieces of visual evidence that were filmed by our military.

00:05:35.000 So if people were watching along that time, you'd see that in a series of a month, I think, we released images from an F-A-18 out the window where they're saying they're seeing these things every day, photographs from an iPhone.

00:05:49.000 I obtained and released video of That was confirmed by the Pentagon in a rare move the next day on some of these drops, that these are real unidentifieds, that they're being studied, and they were filmed by our military.

00:06:03.000 They could have just denied it forever.

00:06:04.000 So we like poked the bear.

00:06:06.000 We drop them.

00:06:07.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:06:08.000 Let's see.

00:06:08.000 Let's see what the world...

00:06:09.000 And how are you dropping them on Twitter?

00:06:11.000 You dropping them on Instagram?

00:06:13.000 Like you're doing it everywhere?

00:06:14.000 How are you doing it?

00:06:15.000 Just social media.

00:06:16.000 Just start Instagram, Twitter like that.

00:06:17.000 I just...

00:06:19.000 It democratizes this idea of information flow.

00:06:22.000 I don't know everything that I'm putting out.

00:06:24.000 I've vetted and verified it, but then to have the Pentagon come in and confirm that.

00:06:29.000 Now they did that because I made sure they had it a few days before I dropped it.

00:06:33.000 So it's like there was record that I provided it to them.

00:06:36.000 Got it.

00:06:37.000 So these people know you because of your documentary and because of your appearances on the podcast.

00:06:44.000 And so these military guys with this information, they reach out to you.

00:06:47.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 So that's even before my first documentary, you know, I was talking with Fravor.

00:06:54.000 I got a tip.

00:06:55.000 I had been on this beat.

00:06:56.000 I've been trying to find out more.

00:06:58.000 So people would start to come to me.

00:07:00.000 And then after those relationships have obviously been public where people bring me stuff, it's happening more and more.

00:07:07.000 And a lot of more disinfo come in my way as well.

00:07:10.000 People try to trick me all the time.

00:07:12.000 What kind of stuff have you gotten?

00:07:13.000 Just give me fake documents, give me fake photos, hope I run with a fake story.

00:07:18.000 Do you think it's just jerk-offs? 0.95

00:07:20.000 I don't know why I said that word that way. 0.93

00:07:21.000 Jerk-offs. 0.84

00:07:22.000 Jerk-offs.

00:07:23.000 I had a hard time with it. 0.60

00:07:24.000 Do you think it's just jerk-offs?

00:07:25.000 Do you ever think the government has given you, Mr. I'm the least paranoid person that I know.

00:07:33.000 Are you really?

00:07:33.000 Yeah, I am literally, I always think everything's okay.

00:07:37.000 My fucking dog can be dying and I'm like, it's okay, baby, don't worry about it. 0.99

00:07:40.000 Like, I'm the least paranoid person. 1.00

00:07:42.000 So other people say shit like that to me. 1.00

00:07:45.000 To me, you just got assholes that want to confuse the topic. 1.00

00:07:48.000 We do it to ourselves, you know. 1.00

00:07:49.000 Or people that just want attention for whatever reason.

00:07:52.000 Or people, no, but it can be anonymous.

00:07:54.000 Some of this fake stuff's anonymous.

00:07:55.000 So you get this thing where...

00:07:57.000 It's like, maybe someone just wants me to make a mis- Everybody would love for me to be wrong on shit, and make a misstep, and then they can discount everything else I've ever released.

00:08:04.000 Has anything ever sent you something where you're on the fence about? 0.80

00:08:08.000 Where you're like, I don't know if this is legit or not?

00:08:09.000 You know, I sit on stuff for years, vetting it, and having other people vet it.

00:08:13.000 Yeah, I've got tons of stuff For years, really?

00:08:16.000 For years.

00:08:17.000 George goes crazy.

00:08:18.000 As a newsman, you want to put it out right now.

00:08:20.000 He goes, we can vet it right now, real quick.

00:08:22.000 And he's right.

00:08:23.000 But I like to see where the person's coming from.

00:08:25.000 I like to get to know them.

00:08:26.000 So I like to see what their motivation is, whether the information is true or not.

00:08:30.000 I don't want to be used.

00:08:31.000 So just to bring you kind of back up to date, we kind of went through the history of how we're talking about this.

00:08:38.000 And thank you for giving attention to this topic.

00:08:41.000 And more and more people are coming.

00:08:42.000 It's my guiltiest pleasure.

00:08:43.000 Oh, dude.

00:08:44.000 I think mine, too.

00:08:45.000 You know this is not all that I do in life.

00:08:47.000 It's just what I love.

00:08:48.000 I know.

00:08:50.000 It's the guiltiest pleasure.

00:08:51.000 So then big things have happened. 0.98

00:08:54.000 So when George and I poked the fucking bear, And we put out this footage, and it was vetted. 0.99

00:09:00.000 I vetted it. 0.99

00:09:01.000 Now, what it shows, that's up to other experts.

00:09:05.000 I reported what I was exposed to in classified briefings that I shouldn't have seen, and what I released is completely legal for me to release.

00:09:15.000 It was unclassified, but it was contained in a classified briefing. 0.97

00:09:18.000 Now, if somebody sends me shit, You know, I open my email, I can't... 0.94

00:09:22.000 We should probably tell people, like, what some of these videos are. 0.99

00:09:25.000 Sure.

00:09:25.000 One of them was those classic, those bizarre pyramid-shaped video.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, triangle by angle of observation, and in the classified section, it goes into depth that they were pyramids.

00:09:38.000 There's a lot of argument about that publicly, like, does it show an optical effect where it's not what it appears?

00:09:45.000 That's not it.

00:09:45.000 That's a different thing.

00:09:46.000 The pyramid ones were the ones that were in the lower...

00:09:49.000 If you see that lower column, right below there to the left, the green, right there, that's it.

00:09:55.000 So that's the ones that they were seeing.

00:09:58.000 Well, there's good video, and we should go through the pieces of footage, but the one on the left is what they're seeing every damn day on the East Coast.

00:10:06.000 That one would be considered one that has a payload or could have a payload.

00:10:10.000 So most are spheres.

00:10:12.000 Like...

00:10:13.000 With cubes in them.

00:10:14.000 That is the strangeness of it.

00:10:16.000 Most of them are cubes surrounded by a translucent sphere.

00:10:20.000 I've heard of pyramids.

00:10:22.000 So most of them?

00:10:23.000 Most of them that are on the East Coast right now with increased frequency and also over war zones. 0.54

00:10:30.000 So right now, people went so fucking crazy when I said this, and I know we're jumping around. 0.61

00:10:35.000 That's okay. 0.89

00:10:38.000 Over active war zones right now, there is such an increased frequency of what they call UAP or UFO that they have these rules whether or not they fire upon them. 0.96

00:10:50.000 And people got so mad at me for saying publicly on the news that we do fire at UAP, UFOs, because we fucking do. 0.68

00:10:58.000 But why we do is not what people think. 0.86

00:11:01.000 So when you have an active war zone, specifically the area of the world that I'm talking about in the Middle East, anything within 27 to 30 miles of ground troops gets fired upon.

00:11:11.000 That's it.

00:11:11.000 But I was exposed to documents that tell me a little bit more precisely how you choose what to fire upon.

00:11:17.000 And what you fire upon is anything that appears that it could have a payload.

00:11:21.000 Really?

00:11:22.000 Yeah, because it would be a threat.

00:11:23.000 What do they do with, like, the cubes surrounded by these spheres? 0.99

00:11:29.000 Fucking nothing. 0.98

00:11:30.000 Because they don't look like they have a payload. 1.00

00:11:32.000 So they disregard.

00:11:33.000 They're not part of the mission.

00:11:34.000 So my point in saying that, kind of on the news, I don't need to prove to anybody it's true.

00:11:39.000 It is true.

00:11:42.000 I speak with people that are there right now.

00:11:44.000 It is true.

00:11:45.000 And there's been such an increased frequency since 2021 that it has been pushed up to kind of like critical, where they're like, okay, these things are in our airspace.

00:11:57.000 We could have collisions.

00:11:59.000 But more importantly, we see other countries firing on these.

00:12:06.000 Russia, Syria.

00:12:07.000 We know it's not their assets.

00:12:09.000 So the question is, whose are these?

00:12:11.000 So when you say firing at these, so...

00:12:13.000 Hellfire missiles.

00:12:14.000 Right.

00:12:15.000 So you have this thing, and what shape are these ones that have payloads?

00:12:19.000 Okay, well that's what's crazy.

00:12:21.000 So I have images of one that we fired on, and...

00:12:26.000 Can you show us the image?

00:12:28.000 I'll show you.

00:12:29.000 I'll show you.

00:12:30.000 Okay.

00:12:30.000 Yeah.

00:12:31.000 Show me right now.

00:12:33.000 I'll show you.

00:12:35.000 You can't show it publicly yet?

00:12:36.000 I don't know.

00:12:37.000 Because it comes from a document I probably shouldn't have seen, but people send things to me in ways that I can look at them.

00:12:45.000 Anyway, let's talk about that later.

00:12:46.000 It looks like this. 1.00

00:12:48.000 Looks like a fucking jellyfish, man. 1.00

00:12:50.000 A jellyfish? 1.00

00:12:51.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:12:52.000 It's stiff, but about the size of a big coffee table.

00:12:56.000 That's the one, at least, that we've fired on recently.

00:12:59.000 Big coffee table, like this desk, maybe?

00:13:00.000 Yeah, about 10 to 12 feet.

00:13:02.000 And then it looks...

00:13:04.000 Domed.

00:13:05.000 And they're not all like this, but this is the one we're talking about that I know was recently fired upon.

00:13:12.000 And what do they think it's made out of?

00:13:14.000 See, that's the whole thing, man.

00:13:16.000 So, like, metallic?

00:13:18.000 That's the whole thing.

00:13:19.000 There's no retrieval program that's known in these war zones.

00:13:22.000 So, even if they did hit something, like, first of all, would they be able to take it down, whatever it is, right?

00:13:28.000 And by the way, we're eliminating that these are balloons, you know, drug smugglers who use balloons and shit like that.

00:13:33.000 These are objects that have controlled flight. 0.69

00:13:39.000 So, you know, back in the day with the Foo Fighters, this is not a new phenomenon, right?

00:13:43.000 Back in the day with the Foo Fighters...

00:13:45.000 People need to understand that it's not just a band.

00:13:47.000 The Foo Fighters...

00:13:48.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:50.000 No, man.

00:13:51.000 So World War II, you know, you had these both sides of the war, you know, all sides seeing these metallic spheres outpacing their planes. 1.00

00:14:01.000 And they're like, oh, fuck. 0.99

00:14:02.000 They're up to something. 1.00

00:14:03.000 They got some cool technology.

00:14:05.000 Problem is we find out both sides think it's...

00:14:08.000 You know, the other sides.

00:14:09.000 Right.

00:14:10.000 This has been happening for so long.

00:14:11.000 I have an article.

00:14:12.000 We can pull this up.

00:14:13.000 I got an article from 1960. It talks about a cube with a sphere around it.

00:14:20.000 A fighter pilot, military fighter pilot, for four days they were getting these.

00:14:24.000 It was in the Alamogordo newspaper.

00:14:27.000 So I'm just saying that this is not...

00:14:29.000 Is that New Mexico?

00:14:30.000 Yeah, Alamogordo, yeah.

00:14:31.000 I think that's an interesting area.

00:14:35.000 And so these Foo Fighters, were both sides reporting the same sort of formations and the same speed?

00:14:45.000 We thought it was their technology.

00:14:48.000 Right.

00:14:48.000 They thought it was ours.

00:14:50.000 What's happening right now in the Middle East with the UF... Same thing?

00:14:52.000 Yeah, because we're seeing Russians and Syrians fire on these, and we're sometimes firing on them, but whose are they? 1.00

00:14:59.000 When you say we're seeing, so is this like reports from soldiers that you're getting?

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:03.000 Where are you getting this information?

00:15:05.000 Okay, so people that work in collecting this data are a little bit frustrated.

00:15:14.000 I want to become unnecessary.

00:15:15.000 Why do they come to me?

00:15:18.000 And I think they're frustrated that they don't have a way to put it up through the chain of command.

00:15:23.000 That it gets lost in translation.

00:15:26.000 Or they just suppress it.

00:15:28.000 I don't even think it's nefarious.

00:15:29.000 They just don't spend the gas to go look at something that's not part of the mission.

00:15:34.000 There's no proactive UFO discovery process.

00:15:39.000 It's all kind of reactive.

00:15:41.000 That's one of the weirdest things about Commander David Fravor's account, is that when he was talking about being in radio communication with the Nimitz, and they were saying, we see these things every day. 0.99

00:15:52.000 And he was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.98

00:15:54.000 You see this every day? 0.99

00:15:56.000 You see these tic-tac-shaped things that shoot off faster than you can see, and that literally can go from above 50,000 feet Above sea level.

00:16:06.000 That's right.

00:16:07.000 80,000 feet above sea level to zero like that.

00:16:10.000 So hypersonic velocity without signature, they call that.

00:16:15.000 Right.

00:16:15.000 That means, and it was, who's the guy?

00:16:17.000 No sonic boom.

00:16:18.000 Right, that's the whole point.

00:16:20.000 Moving faster than the speed of sound with no sonic boom.

00:16:23.000 No heat signature.

00:16:24.000 Nothing does that.

00:16:25.000 No visible means of propulsion.

00:16:28.000 You got it, man.

00:16:29.000 So this is the mystery.

00:16:30.000 This is the question.

00:16:31.000 Like, I don't care where UFOs are from.

00:16:35.000 You know, I don't care if it's extraterrestrial, if it's extra-temporal.

00:16:39.000 I mean, we can go through so many ideas.

00:16:41.000 What's extra-temporal?

00:16:42.000 So here are the prime theories.

00:16:44.000 Extra-terrestrial from another world.

00:16:47.000 Extra-temporal from another time.

00:16:48.000 And you could say extra-temporal, extra-dimensional.

00:16:51.000 It's the same thing.

00:16:52.000 What do you think if you had to put your money on it? 0.99

00:16:53.000 Oh fuck, I ain't putting money on this. 1.00

00:16:55.000 No fucking way. 1.00

00:16:55.000 Couple bucks. 1.00

00:16:57.000 Couple bucks?

00:16:58.000 Okay, well that changes things.

00:16:59.000 Just for fun.

00:17:00.000 Just for fun.

00:17:01.000 Two bucks.

00:17:03.000 I'm getting mixed message.

00:17:05.000 What do you think?

00:17:06.000 I would bet interdimensional.

00:17:09.000 Why?

00:17:09.000 That's what I think.

00:17:10.000 I think there's something about the whole feeling of it that seems so weird.

00:17:16.000 It's almost like alternative timelines.

00:17:19.000 The whole feeling of it feels so weird.

00:17:22.000 It's also...

00:17:23.000 The problem is, all of it is so exciting and so interesting that you get lost in the excitement and it's very difficult to get an objective mindset, to achieve an objective mindset.

00:17:36.000 It's very hard for me to be objective, because I love it so much. 0.97

00:17:39.000 But we got a UFO there, we got a fucking alien up there. 0.98

00:17:43.000 We've got shooting stars in the ceiling. 0.99

00:17:45.000 It's so obsessed with it.

00:17:47.000 But I have this bizarre feeling that the more we understand about reality, the more we're going to realize that these physicists, these string theorists that create these models of the universe based on multiple dimensions that we can't Access.

00:18:05.000 I mean, there's, I think they think there's 11 dimensions, right?

00:18:09.000 I don't have any idea.

00:18:11.000 I can barely live in this one.

00:18:12.000 Let's see if it's up to 26. There's 11, like, agreed upon, but there's, I've read that it goes up to, there could be up to 26. I don't even know what that means.

00:18:19.000 What does that mean?

00:18:20.000 I have no idea.

00:18:20.000 Right.

00:18:21.000 Does that mean that there are existences inside these dimensions like other universes and worlds?

00:18:28.000 They just exist in a different dimension?

00:18:30.000 And is that what it means? 0.99

00:18:31.000 I mean, this is like some Doctor Strange type shit. 0.95

00:18:34.000 I mean, are there, you know, the thought of alternative timelines, that there's consistently different timelines that are happening simultaneously, like an infinite number of them. 0.98

00:18:45.000 And that you accessed all of them depending upon your choices and how you live your life and what you do.

00:18:50.000 And that we think of this as being like a static state of existence, but it's actually not.

00:18:56.000 That we float back and forth between all these different potential timelines and existences.

00:19:03.000 I see those things, the way they travel and the way they move, and I wonder, like if there were interdimensional travelers that had access to technology that just violated all of our understanding of how you could travel, that's kind of what it would look like.

00:19:20.000 There's evidence to support that, and there's evidence to support the extraterrestrial thing, and there's also evidence to support that they're showing us whatever they want us to see.

00:19:31.000 So this idea that you could pop in to our timeline, that is consistent with what we see with these things, In that they seem to, it's like there's a bubble around an area, and they seem to kind of come in.

00:19:44.000 Some people can see it, some people can't.

00:19:47.000 Sometimes it's on radar, sometimes it's not.

00:19:49.000 Sometimes you can see it in thermal, but you can't see it in the IR. A lot of military guys see that when they track these things on radar.

00:19:55.000 Can't see it visually, but it's fucking there. 0.93

00:19:58.000 So this idea, there's consistency with the idea that they kind of pop into place right there. 0.96

00:20:06.000 There's also data that would suggest that these are extraterrestrial and that our satellites pick these up.

00:20:14.000 Now, head of, I don't remember what, John Ratcliffe, who was the deputy director of defense, I think, he talked about that.

00:20:22.000 He mentioned that.

00:20:23.000 So all these admissions from people now, we're catching these on satellites.

00:20:26.000 We're catching these, so that's space, in our airspace and then undersea as well, a USO or whatever.

00:20:35.000 So when you say they're catching them underseas, how are they?

00:20:38.000 Optically or through our sensor systems undersea, we're able to track them and sonar.

00:20:43.000 Is there any video of a thing?

00:20:45.000 Nothing public yet that I know of, but I am hyper aware of footage, sonar-based evidence undersea.

00:20:53.000 If you noticed in the congressional hearings on UFOs, first time in 50 fucking years, by the way, When they brought that up, the undersea thing, they said close session. 0.78

00:21:04.000 Couldn't say it fast enough. 0.95

00:21:05.000 Like, we're not gonna talk about that public session.

00:21:08.000 Really? 0.98

00:21:08.000 Yeah, because we have great fucking sensors under the ocean. 0.98

00:21:12.000 So... 0.98

00:21:13.000 Defense sensors.

00:21:13.000 You think that there's something that can...

00:21:16.000 What is it called?

00:21:17.000 A transmedium device?

00:21:18.000 That's right.

00:21:19.000 Transmedium, man.

00:21:20.000 We talked about that years ago.

00:21:22.000 Yeah.

00:21:23.000 And so this is something that can fly through space and it also can go through the ocean.

00:21:26.000 All domain.

00:21:28.000 So if this thing is manipulating...

00:21:31.000 What Bob Lazar described was something that essentially bent space and time around it and moved in that manner.

00:21:39.000 Instead of being pushed by a force like a rocket, this thing is...

00:21:44.000 Or roller skates?

00:21:45.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 This thing is...

00:21:47.000 Grabbing a hold of space and time and pulling itself towards whatever destination it wants to go to.

00:21:53.000 Yeah, and that was the thing that really flipped my script is the idea of like when I heard him say that when I was a kid instead of pushing to get somewhere because look the argument has been Of course, there's life out in the universe. 0.96

00:22:05.000 Look at the fucking web, you know, photograph.

00:22:08.000 Of course, there's gotta be life homogeneously out there, but they're never coming here. 0.99

00:22:13.000 That was the Einsteinian thought, right?

00:22:16.000 We can't travel faster than the speed of light.

00:22:18.000 Right.

00:22:18.000 Okay, well, that's like saying, you know, okay, well, I got a horse, but can you imagine, you know, one of Elon's rockets?

00:22:24.000 Maybe you can't imagine that, right?

00:22:26.000 But this idea that you could fall in time and space, Distance becomes irrelevant.

00:22:35.000 Medium becomes irrelevant. 0.64

00:22:37.000 That's where the transmedium craft, they believe, the people researching this, within our government, believe that these craft are gravity propelled.

00:22:44.000 That's why there's the new programs called All Domain, because it's space, air, and sea.

00:22:52.000 And in the congressional language for the UFO whistleblower stuff that's going on, where people can come forward, it's going to be set into law.

00:22:58.000 They've already written it.

00:22:59.000 The language is amazing.

00:23:01.000 People are going to be able to come forward and talk about how they worked on legacy UFO programs, like reverse engineering programs.

00:23:08.000 So when you say people are going to be able to, it means the government is going to drop the restrictions that people were former employees?

00:23:15.000 I feel like I'm doing a horrible job of getting people up to date with what's happening in the UFO, because so much has happened, it's like overwhelming, but yes.

00:23:21.000 So what's happened is, if we follow the steps, All of a sudden, George and I release all this content.

00:23:28.000 People go kind of crazy over it.

00:23:30.000 Then, they put out this preliminary report and say we had 143 cases and we solved one of them. 0.97

00:23:38.000 And these are like military cases where there's extraordinary movements with these crap. 0.98

00:23:43.000 Then all of a sudden Congress is like, well shit, you know, we had ASAP, we had ATIP, who's studying this? 0.99

00:23:48.000 Let's get a hold of it. 0.99

00:23:49.000 And they got real interested.

00:23:50.000 So they started saying, hey, we need to start a program.

00:23:53.000 Then the Department of Defense came up with some crazy ass acronym names that nobody could ever make out. 0.97

00:23:59.000 AIMSOG and shit like that. 0.98

00:24:02.000 And Congress got even more pissed as the way I read it. 0.97

00:24:06.000 I mean, I know some of the people involved and their minds have been blown by what they've seen in these classified briefings.

00:24:12.000 It changed their whole way of thought and they realized that there are programs being hidden, illegal programs being hidden from congressional oversight related to UFOs.

00:24:23.000 So their language now is It wasn't created in a void.

00:24:27.000 When you read in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2023, UAP. It is UFO whistleblower language.

00:24:34.000 If you've ever signed an NDA relating to one of these illegal programs without oversight dealing with UFOs, not only can you come forward, but they have changed it so that if there's any reprisal on you for coming forward, like let's say you work at Lockheed and you've been tinkering with some fucking UFO,

00:24:53.000 and there's any reprisal on you, You have ways to defend yourself.

00:24:59.000 They took away the cap of $300,000 of what has to be awarded to you if there's reprisal. 0.99

00:25:06.000 Holy shit! 0.98

00:25:08.000 All of a sudden, and I know why, because I know some of the people involved in this, they're going to let people... 0.99

00:25:14.000 They're demanding that if you have this information, you can ignore your NDAs.

00:25:19.000 And I know people...

00:25:20.000 Let's get into this.

00:25:21.000 So what is happening here?

00:25:23.000 So is it Congress does not have access to the information because the Pentagon...

00:25:30.000 Has deals with these military contractors and they don't want to release the information to Congress?

00:25:36.000 Like, why is there this dispute of information?

00:25:41.000 Do they not have access to information that they want to have access to?

00:25:45.000 For sure.

00:25:45.000 So that's why they're calling upon these people that have NDAs to come forward and that they'll protect them?

00:25:51.000 I think it's a perfect storm and I'm just gonna, this is just, you know, I'm not part of Congress and shit, so I'm gonna make an assumption from people I've talked with, right?

00:26:00.000 I think what's happening here is the world has kind of become aware that UFOs are not fantasy, that there is a technological aspect,

00:26:15.000 and that they fly within our skies with impunity.

00:26:20.000 And I think that this was stigmatized before, and I think we're talking about it now.

00:26:25.000 And I think having that conversation has really made people say, hey, I want to fucking find out if it's true. 0.95

00:26:31.000 And then when you read classified briefings and you see the data, even the preliminary shit, I think it changes your worldview. 0.93

00:26:37.000 So what's happening is, let's say Lockheed, because Senator Harry Reid has said in his interviews with George publicly, I heard for decades that they had, you know, Kraft at Lockheed.

00:26:49.000 And he goes, I asked, Senator Harry Reid, I asked to get in there and to see it.

00:26:54.000 And he goes, they wouldn't give me the clearance.

00:26:56.000 So he just straight said it.

00:26:58.000 They wouldn't give him the clearance.

00:26:59.000 So that kind of thing infuriates people, right?

00:27:02.000 Now, imagine this.

00:27:04.000 Imagine that you get people take action against you for talking about this stuff like Lou Elizondo.

00:27:10.000 You know, people, you know, Lou's a straight guy.

00:27:13.000 Straightforward.

00:27:14.000 You know, I've gotten to know him.

00:27:16.000 There were actions taken against him.

00:27:19.000 Kind of like what Lazar said happened to him, but this is much more public.

00:27:23.000 They're saying he never worked in these programs.

00:27:25.000 Harry Reid had to go defend him in a letter.

00:27:29.000 There's other people that are not public, that also have had their careers try to be squashed because they're poking around on this stuff too much.

00:27:38.000 They have gone internally to say, this has happened to me.

00:27:43.000 Here's what I discovered.

00:27:44.000 These are the programs. 0.97

00:27:46.000 And then what's occurred is the investigatory branches that are looking into this, they're like, holy shit, this is real? 0.95

00:27:54.000 And we don't have oversight? 0.97

00:27:56.000 And it's been proven to them.

00:27:58.000 So when you say the data, when they look at the data, what's the most compelling data?

00:28:02.000 Yeah, I always want that question answered too.

00:28:05.000 You mean for me or...

00:28:07.000 Well, for you first, and then what do you think about for, like, the people that are questioning this?

00:28:13.000 It's so hard to live in a world now where you have to question everybody and everything.

00:28:20.000 Because for me, the most compelling evidence, it's not one video I can show you.

00:28:23.000 It's not two videos I can show you.

00:28:25.000 It's not documents I can show you.

00:28:26.000 It's not the conversations I have with people.

00:28:28.000 The world is creaking under the stress and the weight of the UFO reality. 0.76

00:28:35.000 It's just omnipresent now.

00:28:38.000 We're no longer just ignoring it.

00:28:41.000 And our sensors have gotten better.

00:28:43.000 And the frequency has increased.

00:28:46.000 So you've got pilots like Ryan Graves, who's saying, we were seeing these things every day.

00:28:51.000 Who's Ryan Graves?

00:28:52.000 Ryan Graves is an amazing pilot, like Fravor, but his was in 2015, so the gimbal video where it shows the saucer-type craft.

00:29:01.000 That was his squadron.

00:29:02.000 And they'd go out, and they'd see these things every day.

00:29:05.000 And he was a flight safety guy, right?

00:29:07.000 So he was, like, looking at this, thinking, this is an issue.

00:29:12.000 They almost hit one once.

00:29:13.000 One of these cubes with a translucent sphere.

00:29:18.000 So...

00:29:20.000 So this is a safety of flight issue for a lot of people, right? 0.93

00:29:25.000 I think it's, from a national defense standpoint, it's fucking important, right? 0.87

00:29:29.000 Sure. 0.94

00:29:30.000 Okay.

00:29:30.000 So we've got these hearings now, these public hearings on UFOs, right?

00:29:34.000 This is the first time in 50 years that we've had public hearings.

00:29:38.000 People fought for that.

00:29:39.000 They wanted the public to hear about it.

00:29:41.000 They weren't getting testimony from like Fravor and all of them, although they should. 1.00

00:29:44.000 That's the next step.

00:29:45.000 They need to have people with direct experiences come up and let them talk.

00:29:49.000 Let them tell what their realities were.

00:29:51.000 Get rid of these NDAs for them.

00:29:53.000 Yeah.

00:29:54.000 But in that hearing, the closer we get...

00:29:57.000 George keeps saying this, and I just keep saying he's like a pessimist, but he's right.

00:30:03.000 This is all fun and games, until we get close to it.

00:30:06.000 Like any of the real stuff, any of the goodies.

00:30:08.000 If we have Kraft, And we've had it for a long time.

00:30:13.000 And we've been working on them, trying to reverse engineer them.

00:30:15.000 If that is true, the closer the public gets to that, the harder the resistance.

00:30:21.000 And we saw that because these UFO hearings, man, they showed one piece of the footage that I released for like the whole hearing.

00:30:29.000 They're showing this one piece.

00:30:30.000 It's the most inconsequential piece.

00:30:32.000 It was from the USS Russell.

00:30:34.000 It's the green one that triangle by angle of observation thing.

00:30:37.000 That's the one that's easiest to kind of dismiss visually.

00:30:40.000 What they didn't show is I released from the USS Omaha, radar, thermal, deck footage.

00:30:48.000 I mean, just, it's like cumulative evidence.

00:30:52.000 Congress and Senate were asking, what's up with UFOs?

00:30:54.000 And they got swamp gassed.

00:30:56.000 Like J. Allen Hynek, like just trying to put it under the rug.

00:30:59.000 They go, oh, oh, we're pretty sure these were drones.

00:31:02.000 That was never the argument.

00:31:04.000 It's not if these were drones in 2019 swarming our Navy ships.

00:31:10.000 Who was inside of one?

00:31:11.000 They weren't big enough to hold people.

00:31:13.000 It's not that they were drones.

00:31:14.000 It was like some big revelation.

00:31:16.000 Here's the question.

00:31:17.000 Who were operating these units?

00:31:20.000 How come we don't know that right off of the coast of California?

00:31:25.000 Ten of our Navy ships were simultaneously swarmed by unknowns, unidentified.

00:31:29.000 They couldn't figure out the launch.

00:31:31.000 They couldn't figure out the landing point.

00:31:33.000 They don't know who was operating these.

00:31:35.000 And how far offshore were they?

00:31:36.000 I mean, it was within a hundred mile radius because all the ships that were in this area were experiencing most of them simultaneously what they call swarming.

00:31:44.000 But the thing is, is that I know for sure we don't know yet whose these were.

00:31:49.000 How is that possible modern day?

00:31:51.000 I don't know where these are from.

00:31:53.000 I'm not even claiming that.

00:31:55.000 And did these experience or did they exhibit rather any extraordinary capabilities?

00:31:59.000 Depends who you ask.

00:32:01.000 So so the answer to that is when I get people and I I actively hunt for direct eyewitnesses for all this.

00:32:07.000 So I spoke with people who are you say operating the spy one radar system the same one in the favor case is great system, right?

00:32:14.000 I also spoke with people who had visual on these things Some people Say that they show one of what they call the five observables.

00:32:24.000 That means, you know, this goes into the UFO category, which is instantaneous movement, right?

00:32:29.000 Boom! 0.99

00:32:30.000 Straight up into space was the exact words said to me.

00:32:34.000 I've got people on the other end of the spectrum where they just saw lights.

00:32:39.000 So, no, in this case, it's not like Fravers.

00:32:42.000 We don't have footage of it.

00:32:45.000 Do they have data in terms of radar data, of speed?

00:32:49.000 Yeah, they do.

00:32:51.000 And that's what I tried to kind of tell the public by releasing one slide that said that they believed that these craft were transmedium.

00:32:59.000 Because the video I released, the black and white one from the USS Omaha...

00:33:02.000 You can see it kind of phase out or drop into the water.

00:33:05.000 They thought it was transmedium.

00:33:08.000 They thought it went into the water.

00:33:09.000 They sent a submarine to try to look for it or wreckage.

00:33:13.000 So, I don't know.

00:33:15.000 With this case, man, I never hang my hat on one UFO case.

00:33:19.000 What's interesting to me is the people involved, they feel like they failed at their duties.

00:33:24.000 They didn't know precisely what to do in this situation, because right off our coast.

00:33:29.000 The thing is, is this is happening everywhere, man.

00:33:31.000 Do they have a protocol for what to do in those situations?

00:33:34.000 Like if you do encounter a UAP or UFO or whatever you want to call it, and they think it might be from an alien planet or whatever the fuck they think it's from, do they have a protocol?

00:33:45.000 You mean like the pilots?

00:33:46.000 Yeah, I mean, is there like a military thing?

00:33:49.000 If you see a UFO, is there something you're supposed to do?

00:33:52.000 Now you can and are encouraged to report it.

00:33:55.000 But before, it was so stigmatized.

00:33:57.000 And people that are, you know, ground level on this say there's still crazy stigma.

00:34:00.000 But you are now being encouraged to report it.

00:34:04.000 And these reports have to, in a short amount of time, go up the chain of command.

00:34:07.000 So I think we're getting better reporting now.

00:34:10.000 I think because it's a safety of flight issue.

00:34:13.000 But at that time in 2019, when these ships were swarmed...

00:34:17.000 Yeah, that's the one that goes into the water?

00:34:20.000 Yes.

00:34:20.000 They believe that it ends up going into the water.

00:34:24.000 That's what the documents said and the documents I was exposed to that I read...

00:34:31.000 Made it made an argument for that made a case for that. 0.69

00:34:33.000 So it looks like now that it's hovering boys a shitty footage Well, see that's my money back Navy.

00:34:39.000 I know I know spend your goddamn camera money on but do you understand that this is why I could release it is because this is an unclassified Platform that's being filmed otherwise that would not be cool of me to release it So there it looks like it just went into the water. 0.58

00:34:54.000 Right. 0.98

00:34:55.000 And so the thing is that there were many that were doing this.

00:34:59.000 One of the people that was involved with these ships fighting the ships, I was like, dude, where did they come from?

00:35:06.000 Because you've got great radars and you have all the data.

00:35:09.000 And he goes, I'm going to really regret saying this, but they just seem to appear.

00:35:15.000 Which is so hard for someone who's, like, their job is to, you know, deal with the ship.

00:35:21.000 But if something is traveling the way they describe that tic-tac to travel, it would be like it just appeared.

00:35:27.000 Yes.

00:35:28.000 Or if it was transmedium, then they go, you know, the scan volume of the radar, we got different sensors underwater than we do above.

00:35:36.000 So, like, the spy one is good for high altitude.

00:35:38.000 There's other radars that are good for middle and then underwater.

00:35:43.000 So look, it's anybody's guess.

00:35:45.000 My whole thing is this.

00:35:49.000 UFOs, whatever they are, they're machines.

00:35:54.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 That's at least an aspect of it.

00:35:59.000 Who's controlling them?

00:36:02.000 Right.

00:36:02.000 You know, we should be able to answer some fundamental questions.

00:36:07.000 And fuck, if we have one or more, and we've been reverse engineering them or trying, which I'm confident we have been. 0.98

00:36:14.000 Beyond confident. 0.99

00:36:16.000 Because of what you have spoken to Bob about.

00:36:18.000 No, not just Bob, man.

00:36:21.000 Everything.

00:36:21.000 All the people that come to me that I talk with, reports I've seen.

00:36:25.000 I know it annoys the fuck out of people. 0.74

00:36:27.000 My cumulative personal experience tells me, oh yeah, we fucking definitely have them. 0.86

00:36:32.000 Not just Bob.

00:36:33.000 So where do you think they got these UFOs from?

00:36:37.000 If we do have something and we've been working on back-engineering it, where do you think they got them from?

00:36:41.000 Yeah, I get different answers, man, from different people.

00:36:45.000 So you say, like, some are crashes, right?

00:36:48.000 Which is, like, hard to fathom that something that advanced could crash.

00:36:54.000 But that's what I'm told, you know, is that some were crashes.

00:36:57.000 You know, that's how I understand it to be.

00:36:59.000 Now, other people think maybe there were some from an archaeological dig.

00:37:04.000 That's what Bob said.

00:37:05.000 I was surprised he talked about that.

00:37:07.000 Yeah, he said that there was one that they had spoken about at S4 that they said they had recovered from an archaeological dig and they said it was a long time ago and it's really old.

00:37:18.000 Yeah.

00:37:21.000 I think people need to not feel like they have to believe one thing to believe the whole thing.

00:37:28.000 I think there's a cumulative weight here, and I think that we're prying open the doors.

00:37:33.000 If you read this language in Congress and Senate about the UFO immunity, Our world is about to change if we stick to our guns, if we push to get these answers.

00:37:45.000 We're going to find out one way or the other.

00:37:46.000 Is this just some...

00:37:48.000 We're moving around a little bit here, though.

00:37:49.000 Let's go back to these crafts that they're back engineering.

00:37:55.000 How are they getting these?

00:37:57.000 And why do you think that they have them?

00:38:02.000 Okay, well, my experience tells me that they're getting them from what you'd call crashes, like down crashes.

00:38:08.000 Oh, so all of them.

00:38:09.000 So none of them were a gift?

00:38:12.000 That's the other kind of, I'd say, theory.

00:38:14.000 Some people that are involved in processing this information are like, it can't have crashed, man.

00:38:21.000 It was perfect.

00:38:23.000 It was like, they must have left it for us.

00:38:27.000 Some people believe that, but how do we know?

00:38:29.000 That sounds so hokey.

00:38:31.000 It does.

00:38:31.000 Both things sound hokey.

00:38:32.000 The crash sounds hokey. 0.99

00:38:33.000 The whole fucking thing is extraordinarily bizarre. 0.99

00:38:36.000 It doesn't mean it's not true, though. 0.99

00:38:37.000 Right.

00:38:38.000 That's the other thing that Bob said that I thought was really fascinating was that there was some documentation that they were showing him that claimed that we are the product of accelerated evolution. 0.99

00:38:49.000 He was shown a lot of shit and he doesn't like talking about it because he doesn't know if it's just total fucking nonsense. 0.99

00:38:57.000 Right. 1.00

00:38:58.000 You know, he is sure that they showed him shit just to see if he'd fucking say crazy shit. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Right. 1.00

00:39:04.000 See if he'd talk.

00:39:05.000 All he cares about is what he saw, what he knows is real.

00:39:10.000 Right.

00:39:10.000 But if you do just talk with him privately, they did show him, you know, a photograph of an autopsy of a being with a singular organ.

00:39:20.000 They told him that, yeah, the human genome had been altered, you know, just all sorts of crazy shit. 0.73

00:39:27.000 And he just has no idea if it's true or if it's... 0.93

00:39:31.000 God, the whole thing is so...

00:39:34.000 It's so wild. 0.99

00:39:36.000 I just wish, you know, if Bob's lying, my God, what a great liar. 0.96

00:39:42.000 He's amazing at it. 0.94

00:39:43.000 And he's been telling the same lie for 30 plus years.

00:39:47.000 And then there's elements of it that, how would he know that?

00:39:50.000 Like, how would he know about Element 115?

00:39:54.000 I mean, Element 115, when he was talking about it, was theoretical.

00:39:57.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, he got lucky.

00:39:58.000 He's the luckiest guy.

00:40:00.000 He always chooses shit that ends up being fucking right. 1.00

00:40:03.000 You know, gravity waves and like, you know, how these crap are. 1.00

00:40:07.000 Like, look, man.

00:40:08.000 Explain the element 115 to people because people who don't know what we're talking about that haven't seen the documentary or haven't seen the podcast we did together.

00:40:18.000 So the way Bob understood it was that he was working on power and propulsion, right? 0.94

00:40:23.000 So of one of these, we call them flying saucers, you know, fucking alien vehicle. 0.97

00:40:28.000 That looked like this one. 0.99

00:40:30.000 Exactly.

00:40:30.000 Right here from Design Bill Perry.

00:40:32.000 Yeah.

00:40:33.000 The one sitting on the desk.

00:40:34.000 You know, even like aerospace people are like, Well, it's the most ingenious thing, is the way he described it, powered.

00:40:41.000 People are impressed by it.

00:40:43.000 I'm like, maybe that's just what he saw.

00:40:45.000 But anyway, so the 115 was the power source, he said.

00:40:48.000 And basically, you put it in, and it releases antimatter and creates a gravity propulsion, a gravitational field, and then you had three-directional emitters.

00:41:02.000 Look, that's how they think these things operate. 0.76

00:41:05.000 Traveling faster than the speed of sound with no sonic boom, transmedium, all domain.

00:41:11.000 These things seem to defy typical propulsion.

00:41:16.000 It's not outside of the realm of what we understand.

00:41:18.000 It's outside of the realm of what we can replicate now.

00:41:22.000 One day we might catch up.

00:41:25.000 And this Element 115 that Bob talked about powering this spaceship was only theoretical back in the late 1980s when he first started discussing it.

00:41:33.000 Right.

00:41:33.000 We hadn't synthesized it yet.

00:41:35.000 Right.

00:41:35.000 Well, it wasn't a synthesizing.

00:41:37.000 It was created by a particle accelerator, right?

00:41:40.000 Exactly.

00:41:40.000 It really was detected because I think it was- But we smashed- Right.

00:41:45.000 So we kind of synthesize in that we smashed particles together and then we're like, oh, for like a second, there it was.

00:41:50.000 Yeah, I think it's a fraction of a second.

00:41:52.000 Yeah, and Bob always said that if he's right, if it was 115, that's how he understood it to be.

00:41:57.000 If he's right, then we will someday be able to make a nominal amount of it that will be stable.

00:42:04.000 That's what he says.

00:42:07.000 You got another one of those?

00:42:08.000 Yeah, you want one?

00:42:08.000 Yeah, I'll try one.

00:42:09.000 Alright, here we go.

00:42:10.000 Thanks, man.

00:42:11.000 Nice.

00:42:12.000 Yeah, the whole thing is just so interesting, man.

00:42:16.000 It never ends.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:18.000 It never ends.

00:42:19.000 It is interesting.

00:42:20.000 I just, like...

00:42:22.000 Until something actually happens, and my thought is, like, when something actually happens, how will people handle it?

00:42:29.000 UFO whistleblower could get immunity under new amendments.

00:42:31.000 So this is what you were talking about?

00:42:32.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 Yeah.

00:42:34.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:42:36.000 And I mean, the thing is, I know some of the people doing this, and they're like, you know, they want some nominations, man.

00:42:43.000 You know, who should talk to them? 1.00

00:42:46.000 Well, you got your own fucking logo on it. 1.00

00:42:47.000 There you go, buddy. 1.00

00:42:48.000 Thanks, buddy.

00:42:49.000 Yeah, these are Foundation Cigar JRE cigars.

00:42:53.000 They're good.

00:42:54.000 Shout out to my friend Nick from Foundation Cigars, too.

00:42:57.000 He hooked me up with that cabinet. 0.99

00:43:01.000 Got a full humidor up on this bitch now. 1.00

00:43:04.000 Wow. 0.99

00:43:06.000 Thank you.

00:43:07.000 So, this Element 115. Yeah.

00:43:11.000 This is...

00:43:14.000 Proven by a particle accelerator and Bob Lazar's claim was that they had a stable Amount of this element 115 that had come from this other place and did they know where this other place was where this Element 115 supposedly come from what another planet yeah,

00:43:33.000 I mean again, this is like what he was told so he's kind of allergic to but You know he said that the documents said zeta reticuli like you know I guess a binary star system or something that's what we're in the documents now if that's true or not look remember he thought it was the US he thought this vehicle was ours right and then he until he walked inside of it that's his whole thing it blew him away You know,

00:44:00.000 it's hard to buy what someone like Bob is telling you if you don't know the person.

00:44:07.000 You see people in their lives, man.

00:44:10.000 Imagine being him and that actually happening to you and then you having to go back to reality and tell people or not tell people, just live your life And have the burden of this information,

00:44:26.000 the burden of this thought.

00:44:27.000 Just turn upside down the other way.

00:44:30.000 There you go.

00:44:31.000 Flip the top.

00:44:32.000 I gotta flip the top.

00:44:33.000 There you go.

00:44:33.000 And then pull down.

00:44:35.000 I mean... 0.99

00:44:38.000 The burden of that kind of information, when even discussing it, you seem like such a psycho. 0.98

00:44:45.000 You know? 1.00

00:44:45.000 Most people almost instantaneously, other than a real journalist like George Knapp, most people are going to think you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

00:44:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:56.000 They just dismiss you.

00:44:57.000 Yeah.

00:44:58.000 Why would you even do it?

00:45:01.000 What would be your motivation?

00:45:03.000 What would you get out of that?

00:45:05.000 Well, his motivation was he was seriously worried that they were gonna take him out.

00:45:09.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.000 Because he knew so much and they had cut off of his...

00:45:14.000 For folks who don't know the whole story, just give you a brief synopsis.

00:45:18.000 What happened was Bob allegedly was working on back-engineering these aircrafts, these vehicles, these spaceships.

00:45:26.000 And in doing so, you have to have a very high level of clearance.

00:45:31.000 Well, with that high level of clearance comes complete government surveillance.

00:45:36.000 So they monitor your phone calls, monitor everything.

00:45:39.000 Turns out Bob's wife was having an affair.

00:45:41.000 So they don't tell Bob that his wife's having an affair, but they cut off his job.

00:45:46.000 They're like, you're too much of a potential to be emotionally unstable.

00:45:49.000 We can't have you working on these top secret, super sensitive things.

00:45:54.000 Yeah, it's logical.

00:45:55.000 Yeah, while your life is probably going to fall apart. 0.99

00:45:57.000 He's about to find out some bad shit, yeah. 0.98

00:45:58.000 So he doesn't know this, and so they don't give him any information, so he freaks out. 0.99

00:46:04.000 And so he starts telling his friends.

00:46:06.000 And he's like, come with me.

00:46:07.000 I'll show you the launch.

00:46:08.000 I'm not lying.

00:46:09.000 People forget that.

00:46:10.000 Yes.

00:46:11.000 He went out and he showed people a craft that didn't look like any normal craft, come up right when he said it would, over a base that wasn't even known then really well, and a sub-base, an area, not area 51 proper. 0.99

00:46:25.000 Again, he's the luckiest motherfucker in the world. 0.98

00:46:28.000 He did it three weekends in a row until he got caught. 1.00

00:46:30.000 Right. 0.98

00:46:30.000 So it's just like, man, every time you try to call bullshit on him, I tried so hard on so many things. 0.98

00:46:36.000 People think I'm just some fucking believer. 0.99

00:46:38.000 I'm not, bro. 1.00

00:46:39.000 The only thing that people have ever called bullshit on him is that he said he might have seen an actual alien.

00:46:46.000 But he said he was walking down a hallway and looked through one of those little tiny windows that's in a door. 0.85

00:46:52.000 You know, those little tiny, like, 12-inch square windows.

00:46:55.000 And he peered in it quickly as he was walking by and it seemed like there was a small thing that was sitting on a chair and there's people standing over it.

00:47:04.000 But he doesn't know if it was a doll.

00:47:06.000 He doesn't know if it was... 0.99

00:47:07.000 And so, in his mind, he's like, fuck, did I see an alien? 1.00

00:47:10.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:47:10.000 But he can't go back. 1.00

00:47:12.000 It's not...

00:47:12.000 Like, everything's...

00:47:14.000 If you work on top-secret stuff, apparently, everything's very compartmentalized.

00:47:18.000 Like, the people that work on metallurgy don't have access to the people that work on propulsion, that don't have access to the people that, if there is a biological entity, that they examine it.

00:47:27.000 Which frustrated the fuck out of him, right?

00:47:30.000 Because he said that's not how you do science.

00:47:32.000 It's not how you do science.

00:47:33.000 And he says, I wasn't the most qualified person to be there.

00:47:37.000 Maybe they hired me because they could easily dismiss me.

00:47:40.000 You know, he's like, why didn't we have better people on this?

00:47:43.000 You know, people that were more...

00:47:45.000 So he was really frustrated.

00:47:47.000 And he said to me, like, he thought it was a crime against the scientific community.

00:47:51.000 You know, if they have this stuff, like he says, you know, he says it was a crime.

00:47:55.000 And, you know, he talks about that thing through the window.

00:47:59.000 He's so funny about it.

00:48:00.000 You know, I sat him down for long, you know, many sessions long, really trying to get at him, get it out of him.

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 He goes, you know, Jeremy, I think they were just obsessed with measurements.

00:48:10.000 I go, what do you mean?

00:48:12.000 And he's like, well, look, there was something in a chair, but it was small.

00:48:16.000 Maybe they were trying to just measure it to see if it would fit in a craft.

00:48:19.000 So that's how he kind of gets around, like, did he see something or not?

00:48:23.000 He doesn't know.

00:48:24.000 Right, like it could have been a doll that they constructed that was roughly the same height as these things were.

00:48:30.000 He just doesn't want to go there.

00:48:32.000 And so these creatures that were in this vehicle, if there were creatures in this vehicle...

00:48:37.000 There were three seats?

00:48:38.000 Yeah, and he estimated they had to be how big?

00:48:41.000 Your typical, like, what you'd think of as a little gray alien, man. 0.95

00:48:44.000 Three, four feet.

00:48:45.000 Right.

00:48:46.000 He said they looked like they were made for children.

00:48:50.000 The seats.

00:48:50.000 Yeah, and so look, and every time I try to be like, dismiss Bob myself, there's something that creeps in my mind.

00:48:55.000 I'm like, hold on, hold on.

00:48:57.000 Like, I find out that he was telling the truth.

00:49:00.000 Like, recently, I had it verified that, you know, he did work at Air 51. Like, I know I had a guy.

00:49:05.000 I found the guy after 30 years.

00:49:08.000 He wouldn't talk with George, the guy that did a security clearance.

00:49:10.000 Mm-hmm.

00:49:11.000 I found him.

00:49:12.000 I talked to him multiple times about this, and he did clearance for Bob for the test site.

00:49:16.000 But even more recently, from people that have position to access that information, it was confirmed.

00:49:23.000 I just want you to know, he worked out there.

00:49:26.000 Now, I have people that were out there that saw him on a Janet flight.

00:49:31.000 Bob worked out there.

00:49:32.000 And a Janet flight is those unmarked planes that would leave from the Vegas airport and head into Area 51. That's right.

00:49:42.000 And here's the deal, man.

00:49:45.000 It's the cumulative evidence about Bob that I, as a friend of his, I have no reason to doubt him.

00:49:53.000 And all the evidence tells me that it happened exactly like he said.

00:49:57.000 And he's explaining it to the best of his ability.

00:50:00.000 And to his own detriment, actually, before coming on your show, man, he's probably the most hated dude.

00:50:04.000 For some reason, people go crazy about him.

00:50:07.000 They either love him or hate him.

00:50:08.000 I think your documentary turned a lot of people's opinions about him as well.

00:50:11.000 Thank you, brother.

00:50:12.000 But then having him on... 0.98

00:50:14.000 I mean, some people still call it bullshit. 0.99

00:50:15.000 They think his migraines were convenient. 0.99

00:50:18.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:50:18.000 Yeah, you saw that. 0.87

00:50:19.000 But he was having him.

00:50:20.000 He was having him in the green room before we started going on.

00:50:22.000 He was very nervous about doing it.

00:50:24.000 Of course, man. 1.00

00:50:25.000 He'd been beat up his whole life about this shit. 1.00

00:50:26.000 Also, I gave him McDonald's before. 1.00

00:50:28.000 I think his wife was super pissed at me. 1.00

00:50:30.000 I was like, give him a salad! 1.00

00:50:31.000 No, he gets really, like, crushing migraines, but, you know, people that are gonna call bullshit on that, we're talking about fucking UFOs. 1.00

00:50:37.000 If you're gonna call bullshit on a migraine, what are you even listening for? 1.00

00:50:40.000 I didn't feel like it was bullshit. 0.99

00:50:42.000 It wasn't bullshit. 0.85

00:50:43.000 I felt like the whole thing was, it was uncomfortable for him, for sure. 0.88

00:50:48.000 But it didn't seem like he was lying.

00:50:50.000 But, you know, look, there's some people that are really good at liars.

00:50:52.000 But usually when you're really good at lying, you lie about a lot of stuff.

00:50:55.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:50:56.000 There's a consistency in people's lives.

00:50:59.000 And the deeper I got in, chilling with his mom, chilling with his family, chilling with friends that have known him forever, new friends, every single person.

00:51:08.000 And he doesn't talk to them about UFOs, by the way.

00:51:10.000 He never talks about that.

00:51:12.000 Just normal life situations.

00:51:13.000 Right. 0.99

00:51:14.000 The one thing they all said to me, Bob wouldn't waste his fucking time with making up a story, and he'd probably make up a better one. 0.98

00:51:22.000 He would, and Bob always says that. 0.98

00:51:24.000 He goes, man, I wish I could fill the voids for people. 0.99

00:51:26.000 He goes, it's a horrible fucking story, but it happens to be what happened. 0.99

00:51:30.000 Right. 0.99

00:51:30.000 If I was making one up, he goes, man, I got some other cool ideas. 0.99

00:51:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:34.000 Right, of course.

00:51:35.000 Of course.

00:51:35.000 And also, it's like if you're a liar, you generally lie a lot.

00:51:41.000 Liars don't just lie one time in their life.

00:51:43.000 That's right. 0.65

00:51:43.000 And then you catch them. 0.65

00:51:44.000 They're inconsistent.

00:51:45.000 He was lying long before there was an internet.

00:51:49.000 Excuse me.

00:51:49.000 He was telling the story long before there was an internet.

00:51:52.000 So if he was lying in the late 80s, There would be inconsistencies in his story.

00:51:59.000 Like, he would forget how he said it, he would fuck something up, or...

00:52:04.000 Dude, the research I did for this, for the documentary, like, I told him, you gotta give me full access to your life, dude.

00:52:10.000 Like, boxes, whatever, don't open them, let me get all your tapes, everything.

00:52:14.000 I was so shocked, like, People, if they're trying to hide something, they're real careful around you.

00:52:21.000 That was not my experience.

00:52:23.000 But here's my other thing.

00:52:24.000 Do we have to believe any one single person to understand that this is a real phenomenon?

00:52:32.000 No, but he's one of the more interesting cases.

00:52:35.000 Because if he's telling the truth, that means that the government has been working on these things for decades and decades, and that they have gotten this They've gotten themselves in this pickle where they can't publicly disclose what they know and what they have access to because they've had all these people work on these things secretly and they sort of have a long history of Hiding information right now think about this right like I've been down this path myself mentally

00:53:06.000 I happen to know that there was I happen to trust that there was A reverse engineering project, separate from Lazar and everything he told us, right?

00:53:17.000 A separate thing from a Russian UFO crash that dealt with laser weaponry.

00:53:23.000 There was a derivative exploitation project on the laser as a weapon.

00:53:29.000 I know somebody that worked in that program.

00:53:32.000 I feel it to be a true story.

00:53:36.000 Imagine the derivative technologies that you could get from something like highly advanced, just working on it.

00:53:43.000 You're not going to be able to make a UFO, because the material science, we haven't caught up yet how to perfectly layer atoms to make the...

00:53:50.000 like the...

00:53:51.000 Metal urging? 0.83

00:53:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:54.000 We will one day have that ability, but our material science is what I think holds us up from like making a craft, right?

00:54:02.000 But what can we learn from one of these pieces of technology?

00:54:05.000 And my understanding is a fucking shit ton of derivative technologies have come from looking at these advanced materials.

00:54:12.000 That was always the assertion. 0.51

00:54:13.000 That was the thing that the American Computer Company, do you remember them?

00:54:17.000 I've heard a lot of stories that they've leaked things to private industry. 0.99

00:54:21.000 I mean, fuck, I would do that. 0.99

00:54:22.000 This is weird. 1.00

00:54:23.000 UFO landing is fact, not fantasy, the Russians insist.

00:54:27.000 This is from 1989, the New York Times.

00:54:29.000 Wow.

00:54:30.000 Read the beginning of this.

00:54:31.000 I like Jamie just goes, this is weird.

00:54:33.000 It's not a joke, nor a hoax, nor a sign of mental instability, nor an attempt to drum up local tourism by drawing the curious the Soviet press agency TASS insisted today in discussions of what it called an extraterrestrial visit to southern Russia.

00:54:48.000 Residents of the city of, how do you say that, Voronezh, how do you say it?

00:54:55.000 I don't know, you did good.

00:54:57.000 It's V-O-R-O-N-E-Z-H. Good luck with that. 1.00

00:55:02.000 Insisted today that lanky, three-eyed extraterrestrial creatures had indeed landed in a local park and gone for a stroll, and that a seemingly fantastic report about the event carried Monday by the official press agency TASS was absolutely true.

00:55:19.000 It was not an optical illusion, said Lieutenant Sergei A. Matveyev of the, however you say that, District Police Station, who said in a telephone interview that he saw the landing of the UFO on September 27th.

00:55:36.000 Lieutenant Matveyev confessed that he had not actually seen the aliens, but that he saw the spaceship, and there was certainly a body flying in the sky, moving noiselessly at a very high speed and a very low altitude.

00:55:51.000 He said, anything is possible.

00:55:53.000 To be honest, Lieutenant Matveev said he was a little skeptical himself when he first saw the object.

00:55:58.000 I thought I must be really tired, but I rubbed my eyes and it didn't go away, and then I figured in this day and age, anything is possible.

00:56:06.000 Isn't that funny?

00:56:07.000 1989, in this day and age.

00:56:09.000 Using the sensational tone that has lately infected the once-stayed task, the press agency today provided more details of the UFO landing in Voronezh, a city of some 300 miles southeast of Moscow.

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:25.000 I mean it stands to reason that we know that these there are machines, right?

00:56:32.000 We know they can do things that we're incapable of creating right now Like there's got to be somebody controlling them look at this look at this statement A three-eyed creature about nine feet tall and fashionably dressed in silvery overalls and bronze boots with a disc on its chest disappeared then landed and came out for a promenade with a companion and a robot.

00:56:58.000 The aliens seemed to communicate with each other producing the mysterious appearance of a shiny triangle and activated the robot with a touch.

00:57:07.000 Huh.

00:57:11.000 It's so hard, you know, you're dealing with like people, I saw this.

00:57:15.000 Yeah, I deal with a lot of the human aspect of this, you know, like talking to people about it.

00:57:21.000 You actually said something to me one time that really struck me about this.

00:57:25.000 We were talking on the phone, and I was frustrated.

00:57:27.000 And I said, I can't wrap my head around, if this is true, why there's so much content, why there's so many types of crafts.

00:57:37.000 Like, we could go map the moon.

00:57:40.000 You know with like one satellite in like two weeks if we decided to do it and you said to me Maybe it's fucking easy to get here You said that to me and it made me think if Maybe it is just easy to get here.

00:57:55.000 Whatever these things are, maybe they're not from far away.

00:57:58.000 Well, or maybe it doesn't matter if they're from far away because their ability to transcend space is very different than what we understand.

00:58:06.000 Like, if you talk to someone from the 1400s and said, you know, oh, I live in California, but I want to visit Italy.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, right. 0.98

00:58:16.000 How the fuck are you going to visit Italy? 0.98

00:58:18.000 Are you going to get in a boat for a month? 0.99

00:58:19.000 What are you going to do?

00:58:20.000 How much food do you have?

00:58:21.000 Are you going to get scurvy?

00:58:22.000 What are you doing?

00:58:23.000 But today, you're like, oh, yeah, of course you are.

00:58:26.000 You're like, I'm going to go to Hawaii.

00:58:27.000 Of course you are.

00:58:28.000 You don't have to worry about rowing out there for four months.

00:58:31.000 No, you're just going to go.

00:58:32.000 You're going to fly.

00:58:33.000 Me and the family, we're going to go to Maui.

00:58:34.000 It's going to be great.

00:58:35.000 It's like our version of travel is so radically different than people that lived 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago.

00:58:43.000 What is it like 1,000 years from now?

00:58:45.000 Well, it might be radically different to the point where you can just visit extraterrestrial planets.

00:58:51.000 Maybe it would be as simple as just the tourism.

00:58:55.000 I make that joke.

00:58:56.000 They like our top hats, kimonos, and cupcakes. 0.99

00:58:58.000 They just fucking like coming here. 0.97

00:58:59.000 We're really cool to watch. 0.99

00:59:01.000 Maybe.

00:59:02.000 It could be that it's a part of scientific inquiry.

00:59:05.000 It could be their gardeners.

00:59:07.000 They're coming back to see how their crops are growing.

00:59:09.000 Right.

00:59:09.000 Or maybe it's a combination.

00:59:10.000 If it's easy for one group, maybe it's easy for a lot.

00:59:14.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 I mean, the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis, right?

00:59:18.000 Just in the Journal of Cosmology or something.

00:59:21.000 I don't know. 0.81

00:59:22.000 I'm going to fuck that up. 0.94

00:59:23.000 Hal Puthoff, he lives out here in Austin. 0.93

00:59:26.000 He just published a paper, a peer-reviewed paper, I think, about the idea that maybe they're from here.

00:59:34.000 From here, how so?

00:59:36.000 I've ever heard that name before.

00:59:37.000 How do I know that name?

00:59:38.000 Yeah, through so many things.

00:59:39.000 He was back in the day working for the Stanford Research Institute studying remote viewing.

00:59:44.000 And this guy's always been kind of cutting edge.

00:59:47.000 Well, you know what? 0.99

00:59:49.000 That's kind of the funnest shit, right? 0.99

00:59:51.000 You get paid to study consciousness? 0.99

00:59:54.000 Yeah, I'll do it, you know?

00:59:56.000 So, but, you know, he's had access to a lot of information because of that, so it's one of the people, when he speaks, I listen, right?

01:00:02.000 What does he have to say about it?

01:00:04.000 He wrote this paper and it, well, he wrote it a long time ago and kind of worked on it, I guess, but it was published yesterday in a scientific journal, and it proposes This idea of the ultra terrestrial so like something that's been here a long time Maybe like aliens got here and got stuck or a civilization that was so advanced and there was some world catastrophe So it hit itself and now just kind of lives here with us and maybe they have investment that we don't fuck up the planet that we don't blow ourselves up,

01:00:34.000 you know, maybe that's hmm Maybe they have some investment other than your crop theory, you know the idea that we're just a commodity and Well, I don't think we're necessarily a commodity, but I don't think we would have a problem with going to a planet and planting life.

01:00:51.000 Like, imagine if we found a planet, and it's like Earth of three billion years ago, right?

01:00:58.000 There's like some plant life and some fungus, but there's no animal life, no marine life, and we just Planted life there and monitored it and watched it grow and evolve and maybe they have an understanding of there's a process Maybe there's a process that like I said process not process I kind of like that super fancy man Maybe there's some sort of process where they understand that all life takes a very specific path and And that is

01:01:28.000 a path of increasing complexity, right?

01:01:32.000 If you want to really simplify life on Earth, you would go back to the earliest form of life, which is single-celled organisms, right?

01:01:41.000 Well, why did single-celled organisms become multi-celled organisms?

01:01:43.000 Because they're complexifying.

01:01:46.000 They're becoming more complex and then they ultimately become hominids that create tools and they ultimately lead to the industrial age and they ultimately lead to the technological age that we find ourselves in right now.

01:02:00.000 The thing that they have that's clear is it's constantly a path of ever-increasing complexity.

01:02:09.000 Now, when you look at the work of Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Dr. Robert Shock and all the people that have studied ancient civilizations and the possibility that there's been a reset along the way, it seems that perhaps there's been some periods of great growth and then some sort of cataclysmic disasters,

01:02:31.000 you know, asteroid impacts and the like that has...

01:02:35.000 Sent civilization back down and then it rebuilds back up again.

01:02:39.000 But it always rebuilds back up again.

01:02:41.000 It always seems to be on the path of ever increasing complexity and constant innovation, at least amongst the most sophisticated of creatures which we like to think of ourselves as.

01:02:52.000 Maybe that is just a course in the universe for life.

01:02:56.000 Maybe all life follows that course.

01:02:59.000 And we're biologically developing, too.

01:03:01.000 I mean, we're evolving, you know, so... 0.97

01:03:04.000 You wanna hear something fucking crazy? 0.98

01:03:06.000 Yes. 1.00

01:03:06.000 Okay. 1.00

01:03:07.000 This morning, I was talking with a guy named Gary Nolan.

01:03:10.000 Do you know, have you ever heard his name?

01:03:12.000 I have.

01:03:12.000 Yeah.

01:03:13.000 So he, you know, Stanford professor, he's, you know, been working for 10 years studying MRIs of the brains of people like pilots who have had close encounters.

01:03:23.000 And what they found over this 10 year study, there was a CIA study, but he just openly talks about it now.

01:03:28.000 It's all out in the open, which is cool.

01:03:31.000 There was damage.

01:03:33.000 Like, I've seen the images, some of them.

01:03:35.000 There's damage to the brain when people get close proximity to one of these power sources.

01:03:39.000 Like, when they get close to...

01:03:41.000 Damage. 0.99

01:03:41.000 Yeah, fucking white matter damage to their brains from having close proximity to a UFO or UAP. Like, when you say close, are you talking like Commander David Fravor close? 0.99

01:03:55.000 Or people on the ground?

01:03:57.000 There was some ground stuff.

01:03:59.000 Yeah, close.

01:04:00.000 Like, there's an encounter where it's...

01:04:03.000 Like, let's just say you could throw a rock at it.

01:04:04.000 How about that?

01:04:05.000 Right.

01:04:05.000 Did Commander Fravor go through these examinations?

01:04:08.000 You'd have to ask Commander Fravor that.

01:04:10.000 So, basically, this study...

01:04:14.000 Found conclusively that there is damage that occurred not intentionally, but it's like radiation type damage.

01:04:22.000 Can I propose something?

01:04:23.000 Sure.

01:04:24.000 Maybe these people that have been examined, maybe the damage is what caused them to see these things in the first place.

01:04:30.000 Okay, now we're gonna get real fucking weird because check out what they discovered.

01:04:34.000 They discovered in doing these studies on damaged brains that there is a part of the brain that that in a lot of these UFO encounter people their neurodensity in that area of brain is like one in a hundred and they've found out through this study that that part of the brain that it deals with intuition impulse decision making so your intuition you know like hunters right they need like really good intuition to have so the

01:05:04.000 impulse just knowing when to do something They've studied it in, I guess he said, like a Japanese form of chess.

01:05:11.000 I don't know the game.

01:05:12.000 Go?

01:05:12.000 I don't know.

01:05:13.000 Oh, that's Chinese. 1.00

01:05:13.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:05:14.000 Maybe it was the Chinese. 1.00

01:05:15.000 They studied it that there's neurodensity in this area when people make these intuitive moves in a form of chess.

01:05:21.000 Okay.

01:05:22.000 They found out that these people are way more likely...

01:05:27.000 To have a UFO encounter.

01:05:29.000 So it's the opposite of what you said.

01:05:30.000 The damage was caused by the close proximity to the propulsion system.

01:05:34.000 But what they found out is that these neural density area—I forget the name of the brain.

01:05:39.000 They call it the brain within the brain.

01:05:40.000 You could probably look it up.

01:05:42.000 It's just—now, even weirder than that.

01:05:47.000 I think Gary should tell you this, but even weirder than that, they found that couples are partnering who have these neurodense areas, like, more than would be random.

01:05:57.000 So they're attracted to each other.

01:05:58.000 Yeah, man.

01:05:59.000 Well, that makes sense, though, if they're just intelligent people.

01:06:02.000 Sure, like a smart person.

01:06:03.000 Yeah.

01:06:03.000 Okay.

01:06:03.000 I don't know exactly what it does, but that correlation is so interesting.

01:06:08.000 So Gary was saying this this morning, cool breakfast conversation, that he thinks...

01:06:13.000 Having that neuro-dense area about intuition allows them to see something that's there that other people's minds would just make them ignore.

01:06:22.000 Hmm.

01:06:23.000 That's his theory.

01:06:25.000 Hmm.

01:06:28.000 Well, what's interesting, I'm reading an interview with him about this, and as he was saying everything, I'm kind of reading along.

01:06:35.000 They get to this part where the brain scansor looked very similar to people that had the Havana syndrome, and so they were comparing people to that, and then he says he got locked out of the files because it's now a serious incident, and...

01:06:50.000 Yeah, he said there was a lot of crossover where people that were, because it's an intelligence community thing and military thing, and he said he saw a lot of patients with him.

01:06:58.000 Let's read this because this is pretty fascinating.

01:07:00.000 It said, there's the question asked him, did the people who claimed they'd had an encounter, especially the pilots, describe any perceivable decrease in neurological capacity?

01:07:10.000 Said, of the 100 or so patients that we looked into, about a quarter of them died from their injuries.

01:07:16.000 The majority of these patients had symptomology that's basically identical to what's now called Havana Syndrome.

01:07:23.000 We think amongst the bucket list of cases, we had the first Havana Syndrome patients.

01:07:28.000 Once this turned into a national security problem with Havana Syndrome, I was locked out of the access to the files because it's now a serious potential international incident if they ever figure out who's been doing it.

01:07:41.000 That still left individuals who had seen UAPs.

01:07:44.000 They didn't have Havana Syndrome.

01:07:46.000 They had a smorgasbord of other symptoms.

01:07:50.000 The next question is, how does the impact of electromagnetic frequencies factor into your hypothesis of what exactly transpired here?

01:07:59.000 One of the patients, it happened on Skinwalker Ranch, given how deep into their brain the damage went, we can actually estimate the amount of energy required in the electromagnetic wave someone aimed at them.

01:08:14.000 We don't think that has anything to do with UAPs.

01:08:18.000 We think that that's some sort of state actor.

01:08:23.000 And again, related to Havana Syndrome somehow.

01:08:26.000 So, Havana Syndrome was dismissed initially, right?

01:08:30.000 And then they're recognizing that, no, something is really going on and it might be some sort of microwave or targeted attack on people that they're experimenting on some new ability to disable people.

01:08:44.000 Yeah, it's all Department of Defense people.

01:08:46.000 I mean, it's obvious something is happening.

01:08:49.000 Well, at least if they do know, it's not public.

01:08:52.000 Yeah.

01:08:53.000 I have no information.

01:08:55.000 I have no idea.

01:08:56.000 It's one of those crazy things. 0.92

01:08:59.000 What we do know about UFOs, the one fucking thing we know for sure about UFOs is that they're high energy in a small amount of space. 0.87

01:09:10.000 This is classically, it's been documented, the radiation effects of these when they're around. 0.98

01:09:18.000 So the injuries people get, you know, you've heard like the sunburns on one side of their face and shit, the radiation, the hair falling out.

01:09:25.000 So that's like from Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 0.91

01:09:27.000 But that's like from life.

01:09:28.000 But that is, they've actually really had that sunburn on one side of the thing?

01:09:31.000 That's how they made the movie so interesting, was that they took all the cases, the trace cases, the physical cases. 0.99

01:09:38.000 That shit happens to people, and sometimes when they have close proximity to a UFO, they get fucked up. 1.00

01:09:44.000 Right. 1.00

01:09:46.000 It's unintentional is what people think.

01:09:47.000 It's like the propulsion system itself or something.

01:09:50.000 Well, Travis Walker.

01:09:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:52.000 Travis Walton, rather.

01:09:53.000 That was his story, that they brought him aboard the UFO to repair him.

01:09:59.000 Yeah.

01:10:00.000 I wonder if that's the way he likes to look at it or if that's what happened.

01:10:03.000 I don't know.

01:10:05.000 Did they ever do a study on his brain?

01:10:08.000 They should, right?

01:10:09.000 I mean, if that guy's telling the truth, or maybe it would be repaired because they took him aboard the craft and supposedly did some medical procedure to him.

01:10:18.000 I mean, look, we should study this stuff.

01:10:21.000 I think that's the big takeaway of this moment in our history because we're repeating history.

01:10:27.000 UFOs have had this huge wave before.

01:10:30.000 And Congress was interested 50 years ago.

01:10:33.000 Multi-nations were studying it openly.

01:10:36.000 Now we're back at this point where I feel like there's an opportunity just to be open.

01:10:42.000 We should study this scientifically, man.

01:10:45.000 The problem is I feel like Even though there's people that have sightings, and even though there's some kind of metallurgy evidence, there's so little stuff.

01:10:58.000 It's not like if I want to study sea turtles, I can go find the sea turtles and go study them.

01:11:03.000 This is too hard to grasp.

01:11:08.000 There's nothing there.

01:11:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:11:11.000 Yeah, you can't replicate it upon demand, which is what science requires, right?

01:11:19.000 There are some cool thoughts on how to do that.

01:11:23.000 There have been attempts to lure in UFOs with nuclear weapons.

01:11:31.000 Really?

01:11:32.000 Yes.

01:11:32.000 There have been attempts to fake that we're gonna use- Bait them.

01:11:35.000 Bait them.

01:11:36.000 Bait them.

01:11:36.000 Really?

01:11:37.000 Yes.

01:11:37.000 How do you know this?

01:11:39.000 We'll talk about how I know that later, but it is true. 0.82

01:11:43.000 You can't say how you know it?

01:11:44.000 No, it's not.

01:11:47.000 Some of the people I talk with have told me about these.

01:11:50.000 Right.

01:11:50.000 People I trust that are in a position to know.

01:11:52.000 And have they told you you can't talk about this or you can't divulge your sources?

01:11:57.000 Yeah, there we go.

01:11:57.000 The basics is 14 out of 14 times or something.

01:12:00.000 I might be getting that number wrong.

01:12:02.000 That there was a way to bait every single time these UFOs would come in when they were transporting nuclear weapons or something like that.

01:12:10.000 Now, if that information is true, then you would have a method, you would have a way to study this, right?

01:12:16.000 See, I think we're reinventing the wheel so much, like Avi Loeb at Harvard and NASA just, I think this is true, NASA just announced they're gonna repurpose their satellites to look for UFOs.

01:12:29.000 I think that's a real article, Jamie, if you can find that.

01:12:33.000 Repurpose their satellites to look for UFOs.

01:12:34.000 That's my word, repurpose.

01:12:36.000 But yeah, NASA made an announcement that they're going to kind of repurpose their satellites to look for UFOs.

01:12:42.000 Look at that.

01:12:42.000 NASA wants to turn satellites into alien hunters.

01:12:44.000 There we go.

01:12:45.000 That's just from a couple weeks ago.

01:12:46.000 Cool.

01:12:48.000 Wow.

01:12:48.000 My memory has been so bad.

01:12:50.000 No, you're dead on, brother.

01:12:51.000 Look at that.

01:12:51.000 NASA is looking to repurpose satellites.

01:12:53.000 You said it perfectly.

01:12:54.000 Okay. 0.99

01:12:55.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.98

01:12:57.000 Asked why the space agency is embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject. 0.99

01:13:01.000 It said one of its remits is to look for life outside of Earth.

01:13:08.000 Fascinating.

01:13:10.000 Okay, so last month, the U.S. Space Agency announced it was launching an eight-month inquiry to investigate hundreds of unexplained UFO sightings.

01:13:20.000 The inquiry is being held by Dr. Thomas.

01:13:23.000 What's with all these names?

01:13:25.000 Zurbuchen?

01:13:27.000 How do you say that?

01:13:28.000 What do you think?

01:13:29.000 Yeah, Zurbuchen.

01:13:30.000 Dr. Thomas Zurbuchen of NASA's Science Mission Directorate, who has been investigating whether satellites in space could be repurposed to give another view on strange aerial phenomena reported from Earth.

01:13:44.000 Speaking to journalists in London this week, Colonel Pam Melroy, the Deputy Administrator of NASA said, the team is going to be looking at questions like, do we have sensors that can see things?

01:13:58.000 You know, take another look at the evidence.

01:14:00.000 One of the big questions that Thomas asked is, we have a ton of satellites looking down at Earth.

01:14:06.000 Are any of them useful?

01:14:08.000 I mean, before you build a rover that's going to Mars, you ask yourself, what's a sensor I have to build to detect the most interesting things?

01:14:14.000 So they're really going to focus on that.

01:14:17.000 Wow.

01:14:18.000 Scroll up there.

01:14:19.000 How would you get the evidence you need to be able to determine if it's an optical phenomena or some other kind of phenomena?

01:14:26.000 Even the greatest scientists were ridiculed.

01:14:28.000 Bill Nelson, a NASA administrator, told journalists that he had read all the classified documents relating to UFOs and was convinced that nobody knew what they were.

01:14:38.000 Question as to why NASA was embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject, Nelson said that one of the space agency's remits was to hunt for life outside of Earth, and that in the past, even the greatest scientists have been disbelieved and ridiculed.

01:14:54.000 Remember that one of our missions is to reach out to see if there is life, he said.

01:14:59.000 That's why we're digging on Mars right now.

01:15:01.000 Is the possibility of life in something as big as the universe?

01:15:06.000 Of course, there's a chance in somewhere as big as that, conditions similar to Earth existed and some other kind of life form developed.

01:15:20.000 It kind of drives me crazy, though, that they're like, oh, we're going to repurpose our satellites and look for UFOs.

01:15:27.000 It's my understanding that we can well track UFOs.

01:15:32.000 Think about NORAD, and the joke is you can't throw a softball in our atmosphere without it being tracked and targeted.

01:15:43.000 It's my understanding, like, what else captured the Tic Tacs above 80,000 feet?

01:15:48.000 Did we have any other optic systems or targeting systems that captured those Tic Tacs?

01:15:53.000 Because the SPY-1 saw it at 80,000.

01:15:55.000 My understanding...

01:15:56.000 What is the SPY-1?

01:15:57.000 A SPY-1 radar is a radar that was in that strike group where Commander Fravor was, you know, doing work-ups.

01:16:03.000 It's just a very cool radar that in 2004 was relatively new, I think, at that year.

01:16:09.000 And it's a phase array, so it's just a fucking cool piece of technology that they were using.

01:16:16.000 But I think it goes up to only 80,000.

01:16:19.000 So when they say they were dropping in from 80,000 down to sea level like that...

01:16:24.000 They were actually coming from higher.

01:16:25.000 Right.

01:16:26.000 They just detected it when it hit 80. And they say with the SPY-1.

01:16:30.000 But there are other systems, I am told, that we're tracking these as well above that scan volume of the SPY-1.

01:16:37.000 And that makes sense.

01:16:38.000 Think about it.

01:16:39.000 We have missile defense systems.

01:16:41.000 Right.

01:16:41.000 And now that we're doing Space Wars, right?

01:16:44.000 Like, we have this space agency.

01:16:46.000 Space Force.

01:16:47.000 Space Force. 0.89

01:16:48.000 Space Force is actually fucking really cool.

01:16:50.000 They've got a UFO project, too.

01:16:52.000 Do they?

01:16:52.000 Yeah.

01:16:53.000 It's not public, but they do.

01:16:55.000 Like, everybody's getting in the UFO game, man.

01:16:57.000 They all want to study it.

01:16:58.000 Space Force should.

01:16:59.000 When they talk about repurposing satellites, though, what we have is the ability to detect these objects.

01:17:05.000 I think what they're saying is let's get very high-resolution photographs and video of these objects.

01:17:10.000 I am convinced that we already do.

01:17:13.000 Convinced?

01:17:14.000 Yes, I am convinced that the National Reconnaissance Office And the Geospatial Intelligence Agency will analyze the data from the devices that the National Reconnaissance Office has, and that we have great data on UFOs,

01:17:29.000 and that that is being suppressed even to NASA. But imagine if they did have that data.

01:17:39.000 What would be the benefit of leaking it to the public?

01:17:42.000 And this is one of the things that's always driven me crazy about all this Pentagon stuff.

01:17:45.000 And the Pentagon comes out and says, these are not of this world, these crafts.

01:17:50.000 Like, what is their motivation for doing that?

01:17:53.000 Yeah, I saw you.

01:17:53.000 You're real skeptical about maybe this is like a government...

01:17:57.000 I think some of it is.

01:17:58.000 Right.

01:17:59.000 I think some of it is they have drones that are spectacular, that have unbelievable ability to travel at preposterous speeds, hypersonic speeds.

01:18:08.000 Beyond hypersonic without signature, though?

01:18:10.000 That's the question.

01:18:11.000 Like, how could they do that?

01:18:12.000 And if that's the case, is this because of back-engineered UFO technology?

01:18:17.000 Right.

01:18:18.000 So I wish to be wrong on this, but I don't see the evidence for what you just said that we have that technology yet, and I'm not told that, and that's never been what I've asked at the highest levels that I can ask at.

01:18:35.000 We wish we had that technology.

01:18:37.000 And here's the other thing.

01:18:38.000 Just one last thing about this is before the Pentagon existed, these things were occupying our reality.

01:18:46.000 They've been here.

01:18:48.000 So even if we did have a breakthrough and we got something...

01:18:53.000 We still got UFOs.

01:18:54.000 What are they?

01:18:56.000 Right.

01:18:56.000 Well, and then here's the other question.

01:18:58.000 Are we only being visited by one civilization?

01:19:01.000 Right.

01:19:02.000 Or are we being visited, like, you know, I mean, if you go to the Galapagos, there'll be people there from Turkey.

01:19:08.000 There'll be people there from China.

01:19:10.000 There'll be people there from the United States.

01:19:12.000 Like, people want to go and see it.

01:19:14.000 Like, perhaps, when you're talking about UFOs and the wide variety Like you're talking about this circle that exists, or the cube, rather, that exists in the translucent circle?

01:19:28.000 That's the popular one right now.

01:19:29.000 Is that really popular right now?

01:19:30.000 Yeah, right now, and for years, in war zones, it's like, I call them the jellyfish, the cube in a sphere that a lot of pilots talk about, and even, as I said, pyramids.

01:19:41.000 I've heard of pyramids in spheres, man.

01:19:43.000 Right, and then there's a video of those seemingly pyramid-like things.

01:19:47.000 And big ones, too.

01:19:48.000 Yeah, big ones?

01:19:49.000 Like how big?

01:19:51.000 What I have seen imagery of really fucking supposedly really fucking big ones and they look pretty fucking big So when you said you've seen have they sent it to you they just allow you to look at people that I know have allowed me to see these images and I can't have them and They look impressive.

01:20:09.000 I'm not a photo expert. 0.97

01:20:11.000 What's the most impressive shit that you could show us right now? 0.97

01:20:14.000 Just like on that exists out there Because that black and white footage of the transmedium device is like, God, it's so hard. 0.99

01:20:24.000 I know, it's annoying. 0.99

01:20:25.000 It's a fucking blob. 1.00

01:20:27.000 Here's the deal. 1.00

01:20:28.000 I sent you something a couple months ago.

01:20:32.000 It's weird.

01:20:36.000 It was a photo of my toe.

01:20:38.000 I've got a big bump on it.

01:20:40.000 I don't know what to do about it.

01:20:42.000 Oh, what are you talking about?

01:20:43.000 No, the other thing.

01:20:44.000 I need to figure out...

01:20:47.000 Obviously, when I release footage, somebody gives it to me. 1.00

01:20:52.000 I don't film that shit in skiffs or whatever. 1.00

01:20:57.000 I don't do that. 1.00

01:20:58.000 So someone gives it to me.

01:21:00.000 It's not who people think.

01:21:02.000 It's not like a person from within the government. 0.99

01:21:04.000 It's like a fucking shit ton of people, and then I get different angles of the same shit, and I'm like, ah, now I trust it. 0.97

01:21:10.000 I always have to be thoughtful in that there might be something in this footage other than the UFO that's sensitive, because this is military footage. 0.99

01:21:21.000 So I think it's frivolous. 0.96

01:21:22.000 People say, oh, just fucking put it out, put it out. 0.99

01:21:25.000 Like, people can get burned, dude. 0.99

01:21:28.000 Let's not show footage right now.

01:21:30.000 Right.

01:21:31.000 What about footage that is available that is not attributed to one person that can get in trouble for it?

01:21:37.000 There was that one photograph that was taken from a fighter pilot's cell phone.

01:21:45.000 Oh, yeah, you mean what George Knapp releases, the still images or the video they showed in that swamp, gassy, UFO congressional hearing?

01:21:54.000 Well, I haven't seen that.

01:21:55.000 I've seen the still.

01:21:57.000 Is that the still?

01:21:58.000 Oh, yeah, so this is George Knapp.

01:22:00.000 This is it?

01:22:03.000 Go full screen on that, Jamie, if you could.

01:22:08.000 Someone did some weird enhancement on that.

01:22:10.000 Did they?

01:22:11.000 Yeah, so some people say though, that's a balloon, right?

01:22:16.000 Right, a mylar balloon.

01:22:17.000 Yeah, so some people say like some of the stuff that's out, fighter pilots, you know, will take a photo of.

01:22:23.000 There's two more George released. 0.91

01:22:25.000 One was like just a sphere, and then the other was that weird blimpy fucking thing right there. 0.96

01:22:31.000 It looks like it has a payload. 0.95

01:22:33.000 That's the one in the far right?

01:22:35.000 Yeah, so that's this...

01:22:36.000 Jamie's over the sphere right now, right?

01:22:39.000 Okay.

01:22:40.000 Now is that one that's a sphere with a square inside of it?

01:22:42.000 I don't know specifically.

01:22:44.000 This is 2015. Those are a cloud.

01:22:47.000 But that's the thing, though.

01:22:48.000 So they're trying...

01:22:49.000 They're going, what, like 500 miles an hour, 300...

01:22:51.000 I don't know how fast they're going, trying to photograph something out a window.

01:22:55.000 But here's the deal.

01:22:56.000 It's not just somebody saying it anymore.

01:22:58.000 The radar systems, the new ASA radar systems, are picking these up.

01:23:05.000 You know how you just used to have somebody say, I saw something?

01:23:08.000 Now, you have people that say, I saw something.

01:23:10.000 There's multiple witnesses.

01:23:12.000 They're on a collective radar system.

01:23:15.000 And on their personal radar system, and these things are under intelligent control, and they're oftentimes maneuvering in ways that are incredible, but also their duration to sit out there, you know, 100 miles offshore.

01:23:28.000 Like, whose are these magical devices that, like, do this?

01:23:32.000 So it's like one photo.

01:23:34.000 I'm so over photos.

01:23:35.000 I'm so over videos.

01:23:36.000 Because it's like, it's never good.

01:23:39.000 They're getting better, maybe.

01:23:41.000 But is it because the distance they are, how far away they are, and the kind of equipment they're using to monitor these things in jets that all they have is cell phones?

01:23:52.000 Well, that's what they can do.

01:23:54.000 That's their personal device.

01:23:55.000 So they can photograph outside the cockpit, but how fast are they flying, man?

01:24:00.000 Right.

01:24:00.000 And, by the way, Ryan Graves, this other pilot, he says sometimes we'd have him right there on radar, but we couldn't see him with our eyes.

01:24:08.000 Other times they wouldn't be on radar, and bam, these two went right, and this fucking cube in the sphere went right between two jets.

01:24:16.000 That's when they got, oh, this is serious, like, we're gonna have a collision. 0.81

01:24:19.000 So sometimes you get them on radar, And you don't see them.

01:24:24.000 And other times you see them, but they're not on radar.

01:24:27.000 It's crazy, man.

01:24:28.000 They call that like low observability.

01:24:30.000 The ability to...

01:24:31.000 That's one of the five things that you look at for UFOs.

01:24:34.000 Low observability, right?

01:24:36.000 This idea that it can cloak a signature.

01:24:38.000 So you can see something in thermal, but not in the night vision.

01:24:46.000 So there's five things that should be said.

01:24:48.000 These are the things people look for in UFOs.

01:24:51.000 See if I get it right.

01:24:52.000 So one is anti-gravity.

01:24:54.000 This idea of no control or flight, normal flight systems.

01:24:59.000 So like normally a cube is not an aerodynamic thing, but it has intelligent control.

01:25:05.000 The second thing is instantaneous velocity.

01:25:08.000 You've heard of people going, you know, these things going 90 degrees at like 10,000 miles an hour.

01:25:12.000 And we do have tracks of that.

01:25:14.000 We have, you know, recorded tracks of that kind of movement.

01:25:17.000 So we know these things exist.

01:25:19.000 The third one is hypersonic capability without signature, so like we talked about.

01:25:26.000 The fourth one is the ability to, I guess you'd say, cloak, or the ability to have a I don't know the exact words they used, but to not be seen, right?

01:25:39.000 Right.

01:25:40.000 And then the last one is transmedium capability, which is to penetrate space, air, and sea without any inertial effect.

01:25:48.000 And you get these with UFO reports over and over and over, silent, no displacement of the air or the water.

01:25:56.000 So those are the five things that you look at to say, is this a good case?

01:26:01.000 And the real ones, those are always repeated.

01:26:04.000 Those are the things, man.

01:26:07.000 So those things are...

01:26:08.000 The five observables.

01:26:10.000 And so the idea is that they're doing something to avoid detection purposely.

01:26:18.000 Yeah, that's an aspect of them.

01:26:20.000 Sometimes.

01:26:21.000 Right.

01:26:21.000 Because sometimes it almost, it's like they want to be seen.

01:26:23.000 Like some of the people calls I get, they'll be like, okay, there's one guy.

01:26:28.000 I think it's fine.

01:26:29.000 There's a dude and he's at a secure facility, right?

01:26:33.000 And he sees over the power structure of this facility, a government facility.

01:26:39.000 First, he's walking outside, and he sees this star that's like an off-duty star.

01:26:43.000 It's acting kind of weird, right?

01:26:45.000 So he's walking to his car, and next thing he knows, it almost appears like it flashes, and then, bam, about 100 feet from him over this power source is what he described as two plates mashed together and this gold glow.

01:27:03.000 He'd never seen this color gold before.

01:27:07.000 It was just beautiful, right? 0.98

01:27:09.000 Totally fucking silent. 0.96

01:27:10.000 Big. 0.99

01:27:13.000 The tallness of it was two F-150s.

01:27:18.000 Is that a car?

01:27:18.000 A big car?

01:27:19.000 Two of those stacked up nose-to-nose is the height.

01:27:21.000 About three, four times the width.

01:27:26.000 And this is a dude who thinks, if I'm not wrapped so tight, you know, I'm gonna lose my position.

01:27:33.000 Right.

01:27:34.000 But he knows there's cameras.

01:27:35.000 So he like watches this thing for like 10 minutes.

01:27:39.000 And the second he goes to grab his phone and pull it up, gone.

01:27:46.000 Just straight up gone. 0.99

01:27:48.000 So he's like, am I fucking crazy? 0.98

01:27:50.000 He goes, they got cameras here. 0.97

01:27:53.000 So dude walks into the entrance of the building where they got the guard shack, but it's inside.

01:28:01.000 Hey man, I think I saw an animal out there against the fence.

01:28:05.000 I saw some movement.

01:28:07.000 Can you pull that up?

01:28:09.000 Sure enough, he pulls up the footage. 0.99

01:28:12.000 It doesn't look exactly like his eyes we're seeing, but you can tell it's a fucking Big-ass machine hovering over. 0.98

01:28:21.000 What's the variation between what he saw with his own eyes and what he's seeing in video? 0.96

01:28:25.000 It's so hard for people to describe UFO things because they've never seen anything like it.

01:28:30.000 So I dug into that.

01:28:33.000 It was color footage, so it wasn't gold.

01:28:37.000 It wasn't that color gold, and the shape wasn't as defined as what he saw.

01:28:43.000 So he saw exactly like two plates, no seam, just perfect, silent, making this tiny little wobble.

01:28:50.000 When you say two plates, you're essentially talking about that shape.

01:28:53.000 Yes, yeah, except that has more of a top to it, the one that Lazar...

01:28:58.000 You know, this was totally symmetrical.

01:29:00.000 Okay.

01:29:01.000 So the camera picked up, like, the basic shape of it, but there was a distortion to it a little bit, visually.

01:29:11.000 But he says, by the eye...

01:29:13.000 It was this beautiful gold.

01:29:16.000 There's no comparison to any color that he says he's seen.

01:29:19.000 And I've heard this so many times.

01:29:21.000 And the light didn't shine off the ground or the apparatus below it, the energy apparatus, like it normally would.

01:29:29.000 Almost like the light was a little contained in itself.

01:29:32.000 Right.

01:29:33.000 So it was diffused lighting.

01:29:34.000 So it wasn't lighting up the ground?

01:29:36.000 It wasn't just diffused.

01:29:37.000 People describe this to me all the time.

01:29:40.000 They don't have words for it, so how can I have words for it?

01:29:42.000 But it's like, yeah, a contained light.

01:29:45.000 And the other thing he said was that there was something to it that made him feel like this light was somehow intelligent.

01:29:54.000 And he goes, I know that sounds fucking weird, but it was like the light itself had some intelligence to it.

01:30:02.000 It's just so bizarre. 0.88

01:30:03.000 So the guy thinks he's, you know, whatever.

01:30:06.000 He's at that thing. 0.99

01:30:07.000 Sure enough, there's a huge fucking thing hovering over. 0.98

01:30:10.000 Doesn't look exactly like it, but it was there. 0.98

01:30:12.000 The response of the guard was to run outside.

01:30:17.000 It's still there, and he goes, I don't think so.

01:30:19.000 Runs outside.

01:30:20.000 It's not there.

01:30:21.000 Comes back, says, we're deleting this.

01:30:23.000 We never saw it.

01:30:27.000 So this is the guard's call? 1.00

01:30:29.000 I guess, yeah, because he just fucked with him. 1.00

01:30:33.000 The guard. 1.00

01:30:34.000 I think I can get away with saying this, man.

01:30:39.000 Turns out it would be illegal to delete it.

01:30:44.000 Right?

01:30:44.000 So the guard's gotta wait something like 30 days or 60 days for it to auto just delete itself.

01:30:51.000 So that guard had to sit in there.

01:30:54.000 For at least a month, thinking about the fact that there's footage here, I told my buddy, I was like, don't think for one second that guard didn't film that screen.

01:31:04.000 How can you not?

01:31:06.000 Right.

01:31:07.000 How can you not?

01:31:08.000 If you had to sit there for 30 days, knowing that footage was there?

01:31:11.000 But it drives me crazy.

01:31:12.000 I wish I had that footage.

01:31:14.000 And so that footage may or may not have been erased?

01:31:17.000 As an optimist, I could not imagine someone sitting there for 30 days and not filming the screen.

01:31:23.000 Even if you film the screen, you're just getting a second generation.

01:31:27.000 That's the problem with all this, right?

01:31:29.000 Somebody's got good footage of it, maybe.

01:31:31.000 Well, wasn't that one of the things that Christopher Mellon said?

01:31:33.000 Is that there is evidence that has been released that he's seen.

01:31:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:37.000 That was much more clear, much better resolution.

01:31:42.000 Totally.

01:31:44.000 That's what's so frustrating.

01:31:45.000 It's like, how do we know that's true?

01:31:47.000 You want to know something that's even more frustrating is, you know, the gimbal footage, it's become real popular.

01:31:51.000 It looks like the Lazar thing with two plates.

01:31:54.000 There's four more minutes of that footage.

01:31:56.000 There's a whole fleet of them.

01:31:58.000 They look a little different than that object.

01:32:00.000 But if the pilots, like Ryan Graves' good friends with the guy that actually captured, filmed that, and that object actually moved back on itself.

01:32:12.000 And there was a fleet of them.

01:32:13.000 There was other objects around it.

01:32:15.000 There's four more minutes of that footage.

01:32:17.000 It's all classified. 0.99

01:32:18.000 Fucking release it! 0.99

01:32:20.000 Why wouldn't you show that? 0.99

01:32:21.000 When Congress is asking for the best of the best, they just swamp gas you one piece of footage I released? 1.00

01:32:28.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:32:29.000 They should show that footage. 0.99

01:32:31.000 Is there any explanation as to why they don't release the other four minutes when they've released the first part of the gimbal?

01:32:38.000 Let's look at the gimbal footage because this is pretty wild.

01:32:40.000 I have been given no explanation for it.

01:32:42.000 I don't know.

01:32:42.000 Do we know how fast they're estimating the gimbal footage is?

01:32:46.000 I don't think it was going super fast.

01:32:49.000 I think that you see a rotation.

01:32:51.000 It did rotate, by the way.

01:32:53.000 Right.

01:32:53.000 And you're seeing, so the pilots are filming this at close range, or relatively close range, and you see this rotation.

01:33:00.000 What you don't see is what happens next in the video, which is where it does this rotation and then instantly goes back the other way.

01:33:08.000 Okay, so we're looking at this thing now.

01:33:10.000 What are those lines with the target reticle?

01:33:14.000 What's those lines indicating?

01:33:16.000 Is that the horizon?

01:33:18.000 That looks like the horizon to me.

01:33:20.000 Yeah, the lines right next to it is just the targeting system, right?

01:33:24.000 This is at FLIR. But you see the lines that go left and right?

01:33:29.000 They look like two L's? 0.97

01:33:30.000 Yeah, that's probably horizon, right?

01:33:32.000 Okay, so this thing is shooting along.

01:33:38.000 It's chilling.

01:33:39.000 If you turn your head, it looks flat.

01:33:40.000 And now it's turning?

01:33:41.000 Yep.

01:33:43.000 It turns completely?

01:33:45.000 Yep.

01:33:46.000 It goes completely sideways.

01:33:48.000 UFO, okay, captured by Navy jets, declassified.

01:33:53.000 And what kind of system?

01:33:56.000 Look at that.

01:33:57.000 That was East Coast 2015. It was called an ATFLIR targeting pod, which is something tactical.

01:34:05.000 I don't know.

01:34:06.000 Ford looking infrared.

01:34:07.000 So this is the go fast, this is a different one, right?

01:34:11.000 That's a different one.

01:34:11.000 How fast is this thing supposed to look like?

01:34:13.000 I don't know.

01:34:13.000 See, people say it's not going fast.

01:34:15.000 There's actually been a bunch of studies that it's not going fast.

01:34:19.000 Not going fast meaning like it's going 100 miles an hour?

01:34:22.000 Don't know.

01:34:23.000 I have no idea, dude.

01:34:25.000 You know, again...

01:34:27.000 Wouldn't that be important to know?

01:34:28.000 Like how fast it's going?

01:34:29.000 I mean, for the people studying this that are scientists, I'd say yes.

01:34:33.000 For me, it's not really...

01:34:34.000 And the gimbal footage similarly is not going that far, not going that fast either?

01:34:40.000 Yes, I don't think this is going super fast.

01:34:45.000 So it's going fast like the type of speeds that our jets can go?

01:34:51.000 Do you know that?

01:34:52.000 Yeah, I mean, I believe that it is going at a normal pace, but that movement is what's so unique, man.

01:35:00.000 And the pilots are freaking out.

01:35:02.000 They're like, you know, there's a whole fleet of them.

01:35:07.000 And the duration of these, like they would sit out there, and they do sit out there for these huge durations of time, like just the energy consumption it takes to do that.

01:35:18.000 Right, because a fighter jet runs out of gas in a fairly short amount of time.

01:35:23.000 What do they have, like 30 minutes of fuel or something crazy like that?

01:35:26.000 I don't know.

01:35:26.000 Getting lift, you burn a bunch of fuel too.

01:35:31.000 So the duration of these has been a big topic of conversation.

01:35:34.000 How do they power?

01:35:36.000 And also, they're not aerodynamic.

01:35:38.000 Right.

01:35:39.000 Well, they are if they're flat, right?

01:35:41.000 But when they go sideways, which is the way they're supposed to go when they're traveling very fast, right?

01:35:47.000 Well, that's the crazy part, if that's correct.

01:35:49.000 If Bob Lazar was correct about that.

01:35:52.000 Which is crazy, because he talked about that in 1989, and then you see in this gimbal footage it doing exactly what he said it's doing.

01:35:59.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:35:59.000 Which is pretty fucking wild. 0.92

01:36:01.000 Have you seen that footage of that dude? 0.98

01:36:02.000 He had, like, a Razor phone, like, back in, like... 0.98

01:36:06.000 2000 something and he's like a carpenter and he's like I don't know where he was I'm gonna say it wrong Brazil or something and he just Grabs his shitty ass razor phone and there's this fucking it looks like a disc that just goes Turns like its belly and shit available online. 0.99

01:36:20.000 Yeah, I think so. 0.93

01:36:21.000 Um, I got it on my phone Okay, we'll send it to Jamie get it off your phone and send it to Jamie What's interesting about that?

01:36:28.000 I don't know if it's real.

01:36:29.000 I just want to okay.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, no, of course.

01:36:30.000 We don't know any of this shit's real Is this it? 0.99

01:36:35.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:36:36.000 Oh, okay.

01:36:36.000 It's on your Twitter.

01:36:38.000 Oh.

01:36:39.000 There you go.

01:36:39.000 Nice.

01:36:40.000 Okay.

01:36:41.000 Or Instagram.

01:36:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:45.000 So, this is this thing. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Boy, again, looks like dog shit. 0.99

01:36:49.000 Yeah, because it's a Razer phone in 2007 in Costa Rica. 0.99

01:36:57.000 And so...

01:36:58.000 This dude's a carpenter.

01:36:59.000 Right.

01:36:59.000 So he's filming this thing, and it turns sideways.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:05.000 It does the same thing.

01:37:06.000 Yeah.

01:37:07.000 It turns sideways and takes off.

01:37:08.000 Yeah.

01:37:09.000 So, when you say that there's apparently four more minutes of footage, but that's classified, how do you know that that's the case?

01:37:18.000 I mean, people that are involved with filming it have said it publicly.

01:37:21.000 So, like, Ryan Graves has asked that question online.

01:37:24.000 Why wasn't Congress shown the four extra minutes of that footage?

01:37:28.000 Right.

01:37:29.000 He thought it was kind of like...

01:37:31.000 Disappointing, too.

01:37:32.000 Like, these guys start talking about how much they like Star Trek.

01:37:35.000 You know, that's cool.

01:37:36.000 I like Star Trek, my buddy, you know.

01:37:37.000 I get that.

01:37:39.000 But like, show them the goods.

01:37:41.000 They want to know what's up.

01:37:42.000 They've seen some of the classified stuff.

01:37:45.000 And it was just like, are we gonna lose this opportunity? 0.90

01:37:51.000 Are we going to let this continue where we just stigmatize the shit out of it and we try to say nothing's going on here, move on?

01:37:58.000 Is there a plausible explanation for why they classified the remaining four minutes of footage? 0.73

01:38:06.000 I can't imagine a good reason.

01:38:08.000 I think a lot of people, like Avril Haines, you know, what is she, the National Defense Director?

01:38:17.000 I don't know.

01:38:18.000 I'm not sure.

01:38:23.000 Is a problem, and it erodes public trust.

01:38:27.000 So things just are automatically classified, not because they show a UFO or just because they were filmed on mission.

01:38:35.000 So I don't know.

01:38:37.000 I'm with you, man.

01:38:38.000 Let's ask for it.

01:38:40.000 Four minutes of the gimbal footage is missing.

01:38:43.000 And apparently that four minutes shows multiple crafts?

01:38:46.000 Yes.

01:38:46.000 How many?

01:38:48.000 I don't know.

01:38:48.000 Maybe four.

01:38:49.000 It's in a V formation.

01:38:52.000 So I've only talked to people that have seen it.

01:38:54.000 I haven't been able to see it.

01:38:56.000 But these are the pilots.

01:38:57.000 Some of them were directly involved.

01:39:00.000 And when you say seen it, you mean seen the footage?

01:39:02.000 You don't mean seen the actual vehicles?

01:39:03.000 Fravor's seen the footage.

01:39:03.000 Right.

01:39:04.000 And what did Fravor's say? 0.98

01:39:05.000 He said, it was fucking cool. 0.96

01:39:08.000 Whatever it is, is weird. 0.95

01:39:10.000 Hmm.

01:39:13.000 I suspect we get footage of this stuff on a regular basis. 0.98

01:39:19.000 And I suspect because of bureaucracy and because people don't want to deal with this shit and it's not an immediate threat, they just push it under. 0.99

01:39:28.000 They just bury it. 0.99

01:39:29.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 But all of this goes away if we've been reverse engineering these things.

01:39:33.000 It's the silver bullet.

01:39:34.000 We can have this conversation.

01:39:36.000 Our UFO is real.

01:39:37.000 They're not real. 0.99

01:39:37.000 They're fucking real. 0.99

01:39:39.000 The bigger question is, have we actually been working on something? 0.99

01:39:42.000 If that gets revealed, if this UFO whistleblower thing works and the NDAs are just out the window, I have people that I can put forward, nominate them to go talk.

01:39:53.000 I actually have nominated some people.

01:39:55.000 Unknown to the public.

01:39:56.000 So this is all... 0.97

01:39:58.000 It's so fascinating that you're this lightning rod for this shit just by virtue of the fact that you're one of the most prominent UFO documentary guys. 0.97

01:40:06.000 That they're coming to you and wanting to discuss these things with you. 0.98

01:40:10.000 I think...

01:40:11.000 I often have these I'm unqualified feeling moments of like when people call me to tell me this stuff.

01:40:17.000 I'm like, why are you telling me?

01:40:18.000 Why are you showing me this?

01:40:19.000 It makes me uncomfortable.

01:40:20.000 I said, why do you trust me?

01:40:21.000 Right.

01:40:22.000 And the answer is always like, well, other people trust you.

01:40:28.000 And I'm like, okay, that's cool.

01:40:30.000 So I guess it starts with like, you know...

01:40:32.000 What's interesting too is like if you are a guy and you want to get out the information and you want to get it to someone who is going to leak it where people are going to follow them, you are that guy.

01:40:46.000 Right.

01:40:46.000 Right?

01:40:47.000 Because you're accessible and you clearly have already done it before and you made the great documentary.

01:40:53.000 Thanks, brother.

01:40:54.000 And so they think that that's the best way to handle it, I guess, is to go through you. 0.98

01:40:59.000 Yeah, but most people don't give me shit to make it public. 0.98

01:41:02.000 They just want to tell somebody and they want to show somebody. 0.98

01:41:04.000 So they want to tell you and show you just because you're so deep into it, maybe they feel like they need to confide in someone?

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:10.000 Because it's so crazy?

01:41:11.000 100%.

01:41:12.000 And they want to know...

01:41:13.000 Maybe you can tell them, hey, there's more than one of these.

01:41:16.000 Exactly.

01:41:17.000 Yeah.

01:41:17.000 Exactly.

01:41:18.000 I mean, I have...

01:41:20.000 Out of respect and responsibility have seen a lot more than I've ever put out that my point is never to put shit out We were poking the bear at that time me and George was just trying to get the conversation lit up man Because everybody always says we wish you know, it's always like one source especially civilian footage.

01:41:35.000 It's one video, right?

01:41:37.000 But with these military ones I gave people thermal radar Deck footage and within a classified briefing a slide that shows and reveals that they believe this thing to be transmedium.

01:41:48.000 It was like the perfect military case because it showed all these pieces of evidence.

01:41:53.000 So you can't say, oh, it's just a balloon because I gave you deck footage that shows it lit up like a Christmas tree.

01:41:58.000 So it had lights.

01:41:59.000 You can't say it was just an optical illusion of thermal because you have the radar. 0.72

01:42:04.000 So all these things together create a compelling case That we should know what's fucking flying in our restricted airspace and is doing things that we can't do. 0.88

01:42:16.000 We should know that. 0.52

01:42:17.000 And how was this presented to Congress and what was like, ultimately, what was their take on this when it was presented?

01:42:26.000 In the public hearing or the private stuff?

01:42:28.000 Either one. 0.95

01:42:30.000 My understanding is the people that kind of have been read in on some of this in the classified briefings, some of them, it completely fucking changed their lives.

01:42:38.000 The whole way they think about this stuff.

01:42:41.000 For two reasons, I think.

01:42:43.000 One is that what's extraordinary That this technology even exists and we've kind of ignored it up till now.

01:42:52.000 You know, whose is it?

01:42:54.000 And then the second thing is that when someone's fucking lied to and they feel like they should have oversight, like the Senate Intelligence Committee or whatever, they feel like they should have oversight and they find out there are programs they don't have oversight about, then you get like the Church Commission of 1975. Do you remember that?

01:43:13.000 No.

01:43:13.000 Dude, let's pull that up on Wikipedia.

01:43:16.000 Pull up the Church Commission.

01:43:17.000 It was amazing. 0.99

01:43:18.000 They busted all the intelligence agencies for a whole bunch of shit, including MKUltra, testing drugs on civilians. 1.00

01:43:26.000 They said, real thing, Senate Intelligence Committee, I think it's called the Church Commission, and they fucking railed the intelligence agencies for doing terrible, hidden, illegal shit. 0.99

01:43:41.000 That's what we're seeing today about UFOs. 0.99

01:43:45.000 They are saying, if you have been hiding this shit, And it has been not in our oversight. 0.99

01:43:52.000 Put your hands up. 0.99

01:43:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:54.000 They're coming after them, man.

01:43:56.000 If you read the language.

01:43:57.000 I want to say this.

01:43:58.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 Call the church committee.

01:44:01.000 Close.

01:44:02.000 I'll just pull up the wiki.

01:44:04.000 Yeah, the wikipedia.

01:44:05.000 It's hard to get the info out of here, but...

01:44:08.000 Sometimes if you go to mobile view, it gets it all bigger and...

01:44:18.000 Results?

01:44:20.000 Aftermath.

01:44:21.000 Well just at the very beginning, like what is the church committee?

01:44:27.000 Church Committee, formerly United States Senate Select Committee to study governmental operations with respect to intelligence activities, was a U.S. Senate Select Committee in 1975 that investigated abuses by the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency,

01:44:42.000 the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Internal Revenue Service, chaired by Idaho Senator Frank Church.

01:44:48.000 The committee was a part of a series of investigations into intelligence abuses in 1975, dubbed the Year of Intelligence, including its House counterpart, the Pike Committee, and the Presidential Rockefeller Commission.

01:45:01.000 The committee's efforts led to the establishment of permanent U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

01:45:09.000 The most shocking revelations of the committee included Operation MKUltra involving the drugging and torture of unwitting US citizens as a part of human experimentation on mind control.

01:45:22.000 COINTELPRO involving the surveillance and infiltration of American political and civil rights organizations.

01:45:29.000 Family Jewels, a CIA program to covertly assassinate foreign leaders.

01:45:36.000 Operation Mockingbird as a systematic propaganda campaign with domestic and foreign journalists operating as CIA assets and dozens of US news organizations providing cover for CIA activity.

01:45:52.000 It also unearthed Project Shamrock in which major telecommunications companies shared their traffic With the NSA while confirming the existence of this signals intelligence agency to the public for the first time. 0.99

01:46:08.000 So the church committee is saying, what the fuck is all this secret shit going on? 0.99

01:46:15.000 We need oversight. 1.00

01:46:16.000 I think we're seeing that now.

01:46:18.000 I hope we're seeing that now with UFOs. 0.98

01:46:21.000 So that there may be some secret shit with no oversight that is about... 0.96

01:46:27.000 Either back-engineering UFOs or studying UFOs. 0.97

01:46:31.000 I am extremely confident in making that statement that we have exploitation programs, which is just you got physical material and you've been working on it.

01:46:42.000 And I'm extremely confident in saying that there has been ongoing durational studies in every branch of our military about UFOs that don't have oversight.

01:46:52.000 And, you know, look, maybe I'm wrong, but I think we're about to find out.

01:46:56.000 As long as we keep pressing about this, I think we're going to find out because they're hot and bothered about it right now.

01:47:02.000 The Senate Intelligence Committee, Congress, Senate, they're really pushing to make it available that people can come forward and break their NDAs.

01:47:11.000 But what about the repercussions that people might experience in their personal life if they did do something like that?

01:47:16.000 Even if they break their NDAs, there's still going to be people that are furious at them, right?

01:47:20.000 In their job?

01:47:22.000 Whatever they do.

01:47:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:47:24.000 So they have a whole thing about reprisals.

01:47:27.000 It doesn't mean everybody's gonna come forward.

01:47:28.000 They'll be scared shitless. 1.00

01:47:29.000 Let's say you work at Lockheed on this shit. 1.00

01:47:31.000 Your boss, you're never getting a security clearance again. 1.00

01:47:34.000 Right.

01:47:35.000 You're basically kamikazing.

01:47:36.000 That happened to Lou Elizondo, right?

01:47:38.000 He comes out about UFOs and the whole thing, and I find him to be quite genuine about what he's doing, okay?

01:47:45.000 I've gotten to know him.

01:47:47.000 Here's the deal, man.

01:47:49.000 Verifiably, they tried to control his security clearance, his access.

01:47:55.000 Verifiably, there were reprisals.

01:47:58.000 For his discussions.

01:48:00.000 Yeah.

01:48:00.000 They said he never worked in the UFO programs.

01:48:03.000 Well, that was bullshit. 0.80

01:48:04.000 And Harry Reid actually made sure everybody found out that he did work in those programs. 0.98

01:48:10.000 Look, we've learned about OSAP, the original UFO program, the mother host program, right?

01:48:15.000 George Knapp has really let us know a lot about that.

01:48:19.000 And we know about AATIP. There are other programs that are not public yet, and I'm hoping they will be.

01:48:26.000 And I really feel like we got a chance, man, to learn about these.

01:48:30.000 Did you ever see the interview where Bill Clinton, I forget what show he's on.

01:48:35.000 He's on one of the talk shows.

01:48:37.000 And he talks about how when he was in office, he sent someone to go try to dig up information on UFOs.

01:48:45.000 Webster Hubble.

01:48:46.000 He sent a guy named Webster Hubble.

01:48:49.000 Yeah.

01:48:49.000 From the Hubble Space Telescope?

01:48:51.000 I don't know.

01:48:52.000 I think his name was Webster.

01:48:54.000 Bill Clinton said he sent agents to Area 51 to look for aliens.

01:48:57.000 Well, that's a weird quote.

01:48:58.000 He's talking about James Corden.

01:48:59.000 That's hilarious, talking about that guy.

01:49:01.000 That's a weird quote.

01:49:02.000 I think Reggie asked him.

01:49:03.000 Reggie Watts.

01:49:04.000 Oh, that's right.

01:49:06.000 That was recent.

01:49:07.000 That was recent.

01:49:08.000 Reggie asked him.

01:49:09.000 Yeah.

01:49:10.000 But I mean, he's talked about it before.

01:49:12.000 You know, at one point, the story goes that he wanted to get the information out.

01:49:17.000 Yeah, but it seems like the president doesn't have nearly as much access to information as we'd like to think they do.

01:49:23.000 Right.

01:49:23.000 Probably because someone like Trump can become president, right?

01:49:27.000 You can get a loose cannon in there.

01:49:29.000 Why would you give him all the data?

01:49:30.000 He's only going to be there for four years or eight years, right?

01:49:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:34.000 I heard he was briefed.

01:49:36.000 Trump was briefed?

01:49:36.000 I heard he was, but he was given the super simple version.

01:49:40.000 Really?

01:49:40.000 Yeah, because I don't think- Because they don't trust him.

01:49:42.000 Totally.

01:49:43.000 And also, he talked about it.

01:49:45.000 He said, I wish I could talk.

01:49:46.000 I can't talk.

01:49:47.000 I can't tell you.

01:49:48.000 I'd like to tell you.

01:49:49.000 Yeah.

01:49:51.000 Yeah.

01:49:53.000 You have to imagine that someone like Bush Sr. who was head of CIA and then his son had some high-level understanding of this as a national security issue, right?

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 The thing is, even if he does have that understanding, what do you do with it?

01:50:08.000 Like, what do you do if they come to you and they say, this is what we know?

01:50:12.000 I mean, do you feel like you have this obligation to release it to the public?

01:50:15.000 Because it's not going to change much.

01:50:17.000 They're not going to have any control over it.

01:50:18.000 The worst case scenario is people go crazy.

01:50:22.000 The best case scenario is it sort of prods these agencies to release more and we get more transparency and we get more of an understanding of what's real and not real.

01:50:32.000 And then perhaps more people will come forward with real stories.

01:50:36.000 Is there anything in your mind that would...

01:50:39.000 I always thought there's nothing that could be said that would make it worth not telling the basics.

01:50:45.000 That was always Bob's thing.

01:50:46.000 You don't got to go into the propulsion.

01:50:48.000 Just tell them the basics, right?

01:50:49.000 Is there anything in your mind of why you wouldn't tell the public the basics? 0.69

01:50:55.000 Well, I mean, they've already kind of told basics now, but previous to this, I would say the one thing that I would say I would worry about is people losing their shit and society falling apart and maybe some people capitalizing on the fact that people have become very vulnerable. 0.94

01:51:13.000 Do you think people would lose their shit if we were told UFOs are real, that we have a couple of them in our possession, at least a couple? 0.98

01:51:23.000 Let's say we've got two dozen. 0.99

01:51:25.000 They're real and we got...

01:51:26.000 Two dozen?

01:51:26.000 Let's just make up a number.

01:51:28.000 They're real and we got two dozen.

01:51:29.000 Okay.

01:51:31.000 Is that, like, what are people gonna do?

01:51:33.000 Like, stop going to work?

01:51:34.000 They gotta demand that information immediately.

01:51:37.000 Right.

01:51:38.000 And so it's gonna be very intrusive.

01:51:39.000 It's gonna get in the way of understanding and examining these things because you're gonna have to somehow or another prepare some sort of talk where you have a slideshow and you show what we have and what we don't have and what we know and what we don't know.

01:51:56.000 Right.

01:51:57.000 And then also, if we're not the top dog, if we have to admit that there is something that's so superior to us that it can avoid detection, that it's here constantly, they've probably been here forever, and that these things, whatever they are,

01:52:13.000 have the ability to shut down our nuclear weapons, they have the ability to control essentially whatever they want to.

01:52:20.000 They can shut down the power grid, they can do whatever they want.

01:52:24.000 I always wondered what that thing was doing that Fravor saw, the Tic Tac.

01:52:29.000 It wasn't like Hey, buddy, and just came up to him, hey, how you doing?

01:52:34.000 It was doing a job.

01:52:36.000 It was just out there, with other ones, doing something.

01:52:39.000 And there was something, remember he said the cross-shaped thing under the water, underneath the boiler?

01:52:45.000 Like, the first words he ever said to me about it was, like, docking.

01:52:48.000 Not physically, but something was occurring.

01:52:51.000 What did...

01:52:52.000 It's killing me.

01:52:54.000 What was it doing?

01:52:56.000 What was the job it was doing?

01:52:58.000 It didn't...

01:52:59.000 It wasn't about us.

01:53:00.000 He happened on it because he was targeted in on it.

01:53:03.000 It got curious about him.

01:53:05.000 Boom! 0.99

01:53:05.000 You know, noticed him, he said, and then mirrored him, and then, bam, shot off to his cap point, which you've talked about before. 0.99

01:53:12.000 Crazy.

01:53:12.000 What was it doing out there?

01:53:16.000 What are the UFOs here doing?

01:53:18.000 Are they speculating as to what they think that thing might have been doing?

01:53:21.000 I've never heard anything that makes any sense, man.

01:53:24.000 What's weird is that it's so close to a military base.

01:53:27.000 That's one of the things that made me skeptical about whether or not it was ours.

01:53:31.000 I wish it was ours, dude.

01:53:33.000 That's the thing, like even the 2019 events, you know, head of the Navy's like, we're looking into this.

01:53:38.000 I know for sure, the UAP Task Force, which was another interim program that was really good, actually.

01:53:45.000 For sure, these are not ours, the 2019 swarms.

01:53:51.000 They're not our assets.

01:53:53.000 For sure.

01:53:54.000 For sure.

01:53:55.000 Like, to current day, today, still that is the understanding that they are not ours. 0.99

01:54:01.000 So, like, who's the fuck are they? 0.99

01:54:04.000 Right. 1.00

01:54:06.000 Yeah, so...

01:54:07.000 And if they're China's, we're doomed. 1.00

01:54:09.000 Okay, so here's a lie that was propagated through the media and I watched like a slow-moving fucking train because I had the information, absolutely went against this. 0.99

01:54:18.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:21.000 People said a ship called the Bass Strait was what was launching these, it's like an international company or whatever, like, you know, these Chinese, you know, whatever, drones.

01:54:33.000 You know, that was kind of the lie that started spreading through the media.

01:54:37.000 Well, I'll tell you, man, there was an investigation of the Bass Strait in port.

01:54:41.000 It was in Long Beach.

01:54:42.000 Far before this activity subsided.

01:54:45.000 So this lie started being pushed through mainstream media that this was the source of these drones in 2019. It's like they're trying to just make it all go away.

01:54:56.000 The UAPTF, our government, did an investigation on that ship while it was in port the day after.

01:55:02.000 But I have talked to sailors who their job at the time of these swarms, I'll just say from the Paul Hamilton, another ship that was involved, they were watching the Bass Strait to make sure they were not the origin of these launches and landings.

01:55:19.000 But that lie has now been pushed.

01:55:21.000 It's weird to me.

01:55:22.000 It's weird people get away with that.

01:55:24.000 I've been calling out the Bass Strait, you know, on Twitter, whatever, being like, were you conducting espionage?

01:55:29.000 Do you think that that is weird or you think it's normal for people to try to find some sort of rational...

01:55:37.000 Terrestrial origin for these things.

01:55:39.000 And then they just dismiss people like yourself that are heavily invested in the UFO being extraterrestrial.

01:55:47.000 But I'm not.

01:55:47.000 Right.

01:55:47.000 You're not?

01:55:48.000 No, I'm not, man.

01:55:49.000 I am.

01:55:50.000 But I don't know.

01:55:51.000 I don't know.

01:55:52.000 The full answer might be cooler than that.

01:55:54.000 So I'm not going to put all my money on that.

01:55:56.000 Well, I shouldn't say extraterrestrial.

01:55:58.000 I should say not ours.

01:55:59.000 Yeah.

01:56:00.000 Operated by a non-human intelligence.

01:56:02.000 Yes.

01:56:03.000 That'd be cool.

01:56:03.000 Non-human intelligence.

01:56:04.000 Wouldn't that be cool?

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:10.000 All of it's cool, but it's just such a weird aspect of current society that this has become a focal point of conversation.

01:56:21.000 This has become a focal point of investigations and articles being written and Congress having hearings on it.

01:56:29.000 I think I said this at the beginning, man.

01:56:31.000 It's like The world is creaking under the weight of our collective UFO experience.

01:56:38.000 I can feel it.

01:56:39.000 It's like, I think there's an increase in frequency of these things.

01:56:42.000 So that is for sure.

01:56:43.000 There's an increase of frequency.

01:56:45.000 Is it an increase in discovery or is it an increase of discussion?

01:56:50.000 So that was one of my big questions.

01:56:53.000 Is our technology just better at picking this up?

01:56:56.000 So it is both.

01:56:59.000 Our technology is better at picking them up, and there is a physical increase in frequency of these unidentifieds in areas they shouldn't be, from our operational standpoint.

01:57:12.000 And then the discussion, I think once you start thinking about this, it's so exciting that I think people like to talk about it because it opens worlds to us.

01:57:23.000 Yeah.

01:57:26.000 It's a unique time in history, right, that we can have this conversation and not be laughed out the room just because we're doing a thought puzzle here.

01:57:32.000 Right.

01:57:33.000 Before you just, like, dismiss.

01:57:35.000 I used to feel it all the time, man. 1.00

01:57:36.000 I was like, let's talk about this shit. 0.99

01:57:38.000 And people would just dismiss you. 1.00

01:57:40.000 Well, people don't like looking ridiculous and foolish. 0.99

01:57:43.000 Nobody. 0.99

01:57:44.000 That's part of the problem with the UFO narrative, the UFO story, is that it makes people look ridiculous and foolish because it's so crazy. 0.98

01:57:55.000 There's other crazier things, man. 0.96

01:57:58.000 So you know that was by design, though.

01:58:01.000 There was the Robertson panel.

01:58:03.000 So there was this huge flyover of UFOs in 1952 of the White House in Washington, D.C., two weekends in a row.

01:58:12.000 I mean, everybody.

01:58:13.000 I think Time Magazine did something on it. 0.97

01:58:15.000 It was fucking big, right? 0.96

01:58:16.000 They said, oh no, we didn't send out any jets. 0.99

01:58:18.000 Turns out they did.

01:58:20.000 They couldn't catch these things.

01:58:23.000 So 1952, huge flyover of DC. They hold a press conference.

01:58:30.000 And they're like, you know, basically, we don't know what these are, but they don't seem to pose a national security threat.

01:58:36.000 That was like the line, right?

01:58:38.000 We don't know what these are, but they don't seem to pose a national security threat.

01:58:43.000 So then they did this study.

01:58:44.000 I think it was called the Robertson Panel. 0.99

01:58:46.000 I'm terrible with this shit, but I think it's called the Robertson Panel. 0.99

01:58:50.000 And they determined... 0.99

01:58:52.000 That the UFOs might not pose a national security threat, but public interest in them might.

01:59:01.000 So their job was to demystify The UFO topic in public.

01:59:11.000 Make fun of it.

01:59:12.000 Right.

01:59:13.000 That's what Operation Blue Book did.

01:59:15.000 Oh, they totally.

01:59:16.000 Yeah, they totally dismissed it.

01:59:18.000 Swamp gas comes from that.

01:59:20.000 What's fascinating is the man who was responsible for Project Blue Book was Dr. J. Allen Hynek.

01:59:26.000 And when he left Project Blue Book, he became the forefront UFO investigator.

01:59:33.000 And instead, I think that a lot of the things that I investigated turns out were real.

01:59:37.000 He felt guilt.

01:59:39.000 I brought an Omni magazine for you and I forgot to bring it to the studio.

01:59:43.000 When did he die?

01:59:45.000 I don't know.

01:59:45.000 Too early.

01:59:47.000 I mean, that guy was cool as shit. 0.98

01:59:49.000 Just for people that don't know the basic of it, this guy was an astronomer, astrophysicist, I think astronomer. 0.99

01:59:59.000 And man, he was involved with Project Blue Book, and he was realizing they're making him try to dismiss all this shit. 0.98

02:00:05.000 Yes. 0.99

02:00:06.000 They were trying to find rational explanations for people seeing things that seemed preposterous.

02:00:12.000 And what is it called?

02:00:12.000 The Condon Committee or something?

02:00:15.000 So basically, they just were trying to make it go away.

02:00:21.000 So we know that they have a history of doing this.

02:00:23.000 Yeah.

02:00:24.000 We know they have a history of actively trying to dismiss these stories.

02:00:29.000 Oh yeah, to the point where part of the operation, like you read about that church committee, where they'll put people into communities to disrupt them.

02:00:38.000 The words would be to shape the emerging UFO narrative to this day.

02:00:43.000 Now, why do you want to shape it?

02:00:45.000 Why would an intelligence agency want to shape this?

02:00:47.000 Let's just get the information out there, right?

02:00:50.000 I guess there's power in controlling the UFO narrative.

02:00:53.000 Is there also like this disdain for the intelligence of the average person?

02:00:58.000 Is that part of it? 1.00

02:01:00.000 That they're like, these fucking people don't need to know. 0.98

02:01:03.000 Well, if they're sitting on something really fucking cool, why would they want to give that up, man? 0.99

02:01:08.000 Well, if they do believe that they... 0.88

02:01:11.000 Most, I think, politicians and people that get into great positions of power start to believe that they're better than the average person.

02:01:20.000 Some cops have that. 1.00

02:01:22.000 You know, they have an us versus them mentality.

02:01:24.000 And I definitely think that lawmakers and, you know...

02:01:27.000 And the like would have that as well, especially people involved in intelligence agencies.

02:01:32.000 I mean, that's part of the gig is that you have access to stuff that the average person does not because you can handle it.

02:01:39.000 And, you know, you're trained this way and this is how you behave. 0.85

02:01:44.000 And so that information comes along that's really fucking wild. 0.94

02:01:49.000 Like, there's this interdimensional spacecraft that can just appear over the ocean and disappear, and you go to fucking chase it faster than your eye can follow. 0.86

02:02:00.000 It disappears over the horizon. 0.51

02:02:02.000 Like, what do you say and do about that?

02:02:04.000 Like, what could possibly benefit them to release that information to people like you and me?

02:02:13.000 Yeah.

02:02:15.000 First of all, I got a no-douchebag policy. 1.00

02:02:17.000 Everybody I know in government is fucking cool as shit. 0.99

02:02:18.000 They're not like some ego-tripping maniacs. 0.99

02:02:21.000 A lot of people think this information, the basics should be public.

02:02:24.000 They think it's a crime that it's been held back.

02:02:26.000 But there's just policies in place that they can't violate.

02:02:29.000 Yeah, there's policies in place, and the main thing is their security clearances are their jobs, even when they're out, right? 0.99

02:02:34.000 So if you lose that, even when you're out, it changes your fucking life.

02:02:39.000 You've had this whole career that you're doing, but people I know in these positions that have access to this information, whether we believe them or not, they're good people. 0.95

02:02:48.000 I think they want this information to be public, and they think it's bigger than themselves, but that's what we're seeing.

02:02:53.000 We're seeing Finally, representative government representing the public's interest to know about this.

02:03:00.000 Now, is there anything under the hood?

02:03:02.000 Let's find out.

02:03:03.000 Do you think that them releasing information and having these discussions is their way of preparing us for the inevitable?

02:03:12.000 That maybe this is the best way to do it.

02:03:14.000 To get some information out there and say, we have recovered off-world crafts and we're seeing things that are not ours and the propulsion systems are not based on any known physics that we have a grasp of.

02:03:32.000 That when they're telling us this, it's because they think that it's going to blow up in our face.

02:03:39.000 And so we've got to get some information out there to prepare people.

02:03:43.000 Otherwise, we're going to have a collapse of society.

02:03:45.000 We're going to have a UFO landing on the White House lawn and panic in the streets.

02:03:49.000 And that they think that somehow or another they can mitigate some of the more negative aspects of that by releasing some data now.

02:03:55.000 Does that make sense?

02:03:56.000 Yeah, totally.

02:03:57.000 A lot of people have said that to me and even said, you know, maybe you're a part of that and don't even know and that's why you're getting videos and shit and all that.

02:04:06.000 The thing is that the reality though, if someone could just see that, you know, the reality is the people I know that are fighting for this inside and creating the language and trying to get this to happen, it's not organized from the diabolical or even like,

02:04:22.000 it's not even organized in a way.

02:04:24.000 It's like pressure.

02:04:25.000 Like if they knew, you know what I mean?

02:04:27.000 It seems so mysterious.

02:04:29.000 That it almost looks like MacLevallian, like they're just getting the public ready. 0.97

02:04:34.000 But in fucking reality, dude, I don't think it's that organized. 0.92

02:04:39.000 That makes more sense because most things aren't that organized. 0.98

02:04:41.000 It's just not.

02:04:42.000 People don't know each other.

02:04:43.000 A lot of the people kind of fighting the good fight about UFOs, they don't even know each other.

02:04:47.000 Right.

02:04:47.000 So they're just...

02:04:48.000 Slowly but surely, the overwhelming amount of evidence is causing people to have these discussions and enforce these discussions.

02:04:57.000 That's my theory.

02:04:58.000 We're talking about it now and it's not fucked to talk about it now.

02:05:02.000 You can have these conversations because people I favor come forward, you know?

02:05:06.000 Do you ever feel like some of the stuff that you've been shown that you're not supposed to show that it would really benefit society to release that stuff?

02:05:16.000 To the point where you almost feel compelled?

02:05:19.000 Like how much difference do you, how much different do you think the conversation would be about UFOs if people saw and knew what you know?

02:05:30.000 Not much different?

02:05:31.000 A little bit different?

02:05:32.000 No, because no one trusts, like, you could have a live alien on this podcast, and people would say, it could be an actual live alien.

02:05:38.000 I think I already have.

02:05:39.000 Elon's been on three times.

02:05:40.000 That's a good point.

02:05:41.000 I did not believe his last thing about not being interested in UFOs, by the way.

02:05:46.000 Well, I feel like that might have been motivated at least slightly by the fact that he smoked weed on my show and got in trouble with NASA. Oh, don't do that, huh?

02:05:57.000 That's what I was thinking.

02:05:58.000 When he was so quickly dismissing it, well, they sure are subtle, you know, when he was saying that.

02:06:03.000 I was like, well, wouldn't they be subtle?

02:06:05.000 Like, what would they be doing unless they're trying to freak us the fuck out?

02:06:09.000 But when he smoked weed on the podcast and got in trouble with NASA, I would imagine that you'd want to show yourself as a respectable ball player.

02:06:17.000 I'm here to play ball.

02:06:19.000 I'm trying to get funding.

02:06:21.000 I'm trying to launch my rockets.

02:06:22.000 We're all on the same team, boys.

02:06:24.000 I need that top secret clearance.

02:06:26.000 I'm curious if they film the launches.

02:06:30.000 If they have any footage of those launches being observed by what we call UAP or UFOs because I have a pilot and he gave me footage from he was in this lucky position during one of these launches Mm-hmm.

02:07:10.000 But I am curious if Elon's company probably films the shit out of every part of those launches.

02:07:17.000 Wouldn't it be interesting if these unidentifieds, whatever they are, were kind of observing us playing with these rockets? 0.88

02:07:23.000 Maybe Elon needs to strap a nuke to one of those things just to see how much...

02:07:26.000 And bait them.

02:07:28.000 Would he tell you if...

02:07:30.000 Me, no.

02:07:31.000 He wouldn't tell you if they filmed any of those things?

02:07:33.000 Nope.

02:07:36.000 Why would he?

02:07:36.000 I don't know.

02:07:37.000 I'm a pothead with a big mouth.

02:07:41.000 Actually, you know what?

02:07:43.000 You can keep a secret.

02:07:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:45.000 No, I've learned that.

02:07:47.000 That's really cool.

02:07:48.000 I'm good at keeping secrets.

02:07:49.000 Yeah.

02:07:50.000 When it comes to stuff like UFOs and non, you know, I mean, if there was a secret that, like, affect mankind, you know, people are going to die.

02:07:57.000 I would tell people.

02:07:58.000 Right, right, right.

02:07:58.000 Real quick, let them know.

02:07:59.000 Yeah, I'd be like, hey, folks, we've got a problem.

02:08:01.000 There should be no panic.

02:08:02.000 Let's say this all goes well, and there is actually something under the hood with the UFO thing, and that this congressional language does bring forward people. 0.92

02:08:11.000 Like, fuck, you know, Bob's already said everything to George in 1980. But people that have security clearances, let's pretend this goes well. 0.88

02:08:18.000 I would like to sit down with Bob again because I wonder what the experience has been like for Bob with the documentary coming out and then being on the podcast.

02:08:26.000 Let's grab him. 0.77

02:08:27.000 Let's get him.

02:08:27.000 Yeah, let's get him back in.

02:08:28.000 Would you think he'd do it again?

02:08:30.000 Yeah.

02:08:30.000 Because he was a little uncomfortable about the attention.

02:08:32.000 I asked him about that again for you.

02:08:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:38.000 Bob doesn't...

02:08:39.000 He doesn't even get it that people want to still talk with him.

02:08:44.000 He doesn't get why?

02:08:45.000 He doesn't get it.

02:08:46.000 Yeah, he doesn't get why people want to still talk with him.

02:08:48.000 I'm a Bob Lazar fanboy.

02:08:50.000 Totally, dude. 0.99

02:08:51.000 By the way, if we didn't even talk about UFOs, we'd have the most fun fucking conversation. 0.98

02:08:55.000 Well, we went to dinner with him. 0.99

02:08:56.000 We had a great time. 1.00

02:08:57.000 He always tells me the craziest shit just about... 0.99

02:08:59.000 Well, he told us some crazy shit that we can't talk about. 1.00

02:09:01.000 Right. 0.99

02:09:02.000 Yeah, which was wild.

02:09:03.000 Which explains a lot about his education history and a lot of other things.

02:09:08.000 And you're like, oh, okay.

02:09:10.000 And then, you know, it also explains about, like, why he was chosen as, you know.

02:09:17.000 I know.

02:09:18.000 And I verified that further, by the way.

02:09:20.000 So, here's the deal.

02:09:23.000 I think he almost likes that he can be dismissed.

02:09:26.000 What if everybody believed Bob Lazar?

02:09:29.000 Right. 1.00

02:09:30.000 How fucked would his life be? 1.00

02:09:32.000 His life would be fucked. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Yeah, he's easily dismissed, which is kind of good sometimes. 0.99

02:09:37.000 I think one of the things that was more interesting about your documentary was when, during the documentary, his lab got raided.

02:09:47.000 Yeah, people said, oh my god, my wife wanted to kill people. 1.00

02:09:51.000 People said, I fucking made that up. 0.99

02:09:53.000 I just made up the raid. 1.00

02:09:55.000 Like, hired actors in FBI shirts and shit. 0.99

02:09:58.000 I swear to god, that was like a huge deal. 0.99

02:09:59.000 Well, I'm sure.

02:10:01.000 Yeah.

02:10:01.000 People probably think you're in the FBI. Oh, yeah.

02:10:04.000 It's so fucking ridiculous. 1.00

02:10:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:08.000 Well, there's a lot of people that are paranoid schizophrenics that are just running around accusing everybody of being a spy and being part of government agencies and what have you.

02:10:18.000 But isn't it just easier to dismiss what somebody says if you can just dismiss them as being genuine or honest?

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:26.000 Yeah, it is.

02:10:29.000 It's such a complex subject because it seems foolish to spend any time thinking about it without anything really tangible.

02:10:37.000 It's like everything is speculative.

02:10:39.000 Everything is he said, she said, and here's some data, and there's a thing that's going faster than the speed of sound by a factor of 20 or something like that.

02:10:50.000 There's tons of evidence.

02:10:52.000 There's tons of evidence.

02:10:53.000 There's the human intelligence side of it, which is just you talk with people.

02:10:56.000 They have no reason to lie.

02:10:58.000 Yeah, but people do lie.

02:11:01.000 Tons of people do. 1.00

02:11:02.000 People are crazy. 0.87

02:11:02.000 But you can sort out what? 0.87

02:11:04.000 If 1%, right?

02:11:06.000 And I'm so good at that now.

02:11:08.000 You get a call.

02:11:10.000 You end up talking with somebody. 0.95

02:11:11.000 You fucking know almost immediately if there's an angle, if there's an agenda.

02:11:15.000 Why do people do stuff? 0.98

02:11:16.000 They do stuff to get stuff.

02:11:19.000 I'm just saying, I think there's a lot of information out there that is not public.

02:11:22.000 I'm certain of it, actually, that there's a lot of information that's not public that should be.

02:11:29.000 UFOs are tangible.

02:11:30.000 There is a tangible aspect to them, a mechanistic, machine aspect to them.

02:11:35.000 The weirder question is, is that a performance?

02:11:43.000 If something is so advanced, couldn't they make you feel, think, see whatever they want you to see?

02:11:50.000 Right.

02:11:50.000 Couldn't they look like a tree?

02:11:53.000 Couldn't they fly through the clouds?

02:11:56.000 I knew a guy who was schizophrenic. 0.53

02:11:59.000 I knew he was a little crazy, but I didn't know how crazy.

02:12:02.000 And one day he shows me his phone and he shows me these pictures of clouds.

02:12:07.000 And I think I'm just looking at some cool clouds.

02:12:09.000 And he goes, you see it?

02:12:10.000 You see this one?

02:12:11.000 You see that?

02:12:13.000 You see this one?

02:12:14.000 I'm like, yeah.

02:12:14.000 He goes, I see them every day.

02:12:16.000 I go, what are you seeing?

02:12:17.000 He goes, alien spacecrafts.

02:12:19.000 I go, what?

02:12:21.000 I go, I see clouds.

02:12:23.000 He goes, no, no, no.

02:12:24.000 These are alien spacecrafts disguised as clouds.

02:12:28.000 And I'm looking at him and I'm just recognizing.

02:12:31.000 I knew he had a screw loose.

02:12:32.000 Yeah.

02:12:34.000 But I'm like, how many of those guys are out there thinking they're seeing things?

02:12:38.000 I've got like the cry folder in my emails.

02:12:41.000 Cry? 0.54

02:12:42.000 Yeah, it makes me really sad, man.

02:12:43.000 Oh?

02:12:45.000 Schizos? 0.99

02:12:45.000 Dude, people have these incredibly painful experiences that are not UFO related. 0.99

02:12:55.000 But that's a way that your mind can rationalize what's wrong with you, what's going on.

02:13:01.000 And I get them all the time.

02:13:02.000 And I put them over here like, probably needs medical attention.

02:13:06.000 Luckily, there are some major universities that are quietly studying some of these biological effects.

02:13:17.000 Biological effects of?

02:13:18.000 Of close encounters.

02:13:19.000 People that claim to have close encounters and constant encounters.

02:13:23.000 Now, when it comes to that, what's the best evidence in terms of there have been people that have said they've been abducted?

02:13:31.000 You know, I told you the story about Angela Hill, who's a top UFC fighter. 0.99

02:13:36.000 Her grandfather was Barney Hill.

02:13:38.000 Betty and Barney Hill.

02:13:39.000 That's her grandparents.

02:13:40.000 It's so crazy.

02:13:42.000 Yeah, man.

02:13:43.000 That's a great case.

02:13:44.000 That was really interesting.

02:13:45.000 Really interesting because it's early, early.

02:13:48.000 It was like the 50s, right?

02:13:50.000 Probably, yeah.

02:13:51.000 And it's sort of the archetype for all these UFO abduction experiences.

02:13:55.000 Lost time, traveling together on a road, the middle of nowhere, light shows up, they lose time, and then hypnotic regression.

02:14:03.000 It's the most popular one.

02:14:06.000 You could call it an archetype because it's so well known, but man, it's like...

02:14:10.000 Is that a problem, though?

02:14:11.000 That things become really well known and then they become a thing that a person sort of formulates in their head when they have a questionable experience.

02:14:21.000 The mind fills in the blank.

02:14:23.000 You know like when they say one of the things that happens in the case of a disaster.

02:14:28.000 Or some sort of very traumatic event like a mass shooting or something like that.

02:14:33.000 People see things that didn't really happen or they have a very distorted memory of it because they're so in shock.

02:14:40.000 Like in times of war and things like that.

02:14:42.000 They see things that... 0.97

02:14:43.000 Weren't really there or that were inaccurate like their version of it that they when they recount it is all fucked up because the mind gets scrambled by period by moments of extremely high stress high adrenaline worried you're gonna die you know explosion like everybody has like fucked up stories and Yeah, 0.54

02:15:06.000 we try to explain these experiences that are so outside of our norm that how do you describe it?

02:15:14.000 You have to take things that you know in order to describe those things.

02:15:20.000 I'm trying to think of a good, concrete example of that.

02:15:24.000 It is my understanding when I listen to people that I do believe had these close encounters that they can't find the words to describe the experience because they've never had an experience like this before.

02:15:38.000 Right.

02:15:38.000 Which is similar to when people describe psychedelic experiences.

02:15:41.000 Yeah.

02:15:42.000 Yeah.

02:15:43.000 A lot of times when people describe psychedelic experiences, they sort of tend to describe them the way they've heard other people describe them because it makes it more comfortable and easy.

02:15:53.000 And I think that one of the more interesting things about this whole idea of UFOs happening or, excuse me, encounters happening to people while they sleep is Is that, you know,

02:16:09.000 you could dismiss one aspect of it by saying that it's an endogenous dump of naturally produced psychedelic chemicals, which we know the mind creates.

02:16:18.000 DMT. Yeah.

02:16:19.000 But the other thing is, where it gets weirder is, well, what if that isn't a legitimate way of communicating with aliens?

02:16:27.000 Yeah.

02:16:27.000 I tried to do that one time.

02:16:29.000 Yeah?

02:16:46.000 Maybe, yeah, I don't know.

02:16:48.000 When you say totally atypical, what do you mean?

02:16:49.000 Meaning, my experience of it wasn't what I was looking for, but was what I needed, you know?

02:16:57.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:16:58.000 Yeah, I didn't get to...

02:16:59.000 You didn't meet the aliens and jump aboard the spaceship. 1.00

02:17:02.000 Have you ever seen that shit? 0.99

02:17:03.000 No, no, I've never seen what you would call traditional aliens, but I've definitely encountered entities in psychedelic experiences. 1.00

02:17:12.000 I've got a Cheshire cat that keeps winking at me.

02:17:14.000 I had a bunch of jokers give me the finger. 0.98

02:17:16.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:17:18.000 Yeah.

02:17:18.000 They were explaining something to me that I take myself too seriously.

02:17:21.000 I was like, oh.

02:17:23.000 And they were like, right?

02:17:25.000 And then I was like, you're right.

02:17:27.000 That's awesome. 1.00

02:17:28.000 It was interesting because they were like, fuck you. 1.00

02:17:31.000 Because I think what I was trying to do was maybe control my thoughts during the experience instead of just letting go. 1.00

02:17:38.000 And maybe I had some sort of an elevated idea of Bringing back my experience and telling other people and seeming profound and they were just like fuck you. 0.98

02:17:50.000 And it was it was interesting that these jokers and they were jesters like court jesters with the hats and everything. 0.98

02:17:57.000 And I think it was to sort of let me explain to me in some way that I have a very unique job and that part of my job is what's what's important is not take myself too seriously.

02:18:10.000 Yeah.

02:18:11.000 Because that's a giant pitfall.

02:18:16.000 That's what a lot of people fall into when they get a lot of attention.

02:18:19.000 They start thinking of themselves in a very high regard.

02:18:23.000 They start thinking they're really important.

02:18:25.000 Instead of just thinking that what you do is probably a gift and you're very fortunate, so don't Don't take yourself very seriously, but you're just a very fortunate person that's in this unique position.

02:18:36.000 But it's not like that you're special.

02:18:39.000 Don't take yourself so seriously.

02:18:40.000 And also, if you do, it will fuck up your ability to do the job.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:18:46.000 So that was what...

02:18:47.000 It makes you anxious, right? 0.97

02:18:48.000 Like, you want to perform well to do a good job in life and all this shit, and all of a sudden you take yourself to... 0.98

02:18:53.000 I get fucking anxiety if I don't do something well, and it's an extra pressure. 0.98

02:18:57.000 It does nothing good for what you're trying to do. 0.98

02:18:59.000 I had this Cheshire cat, right?

02:19:01.000 And it was like, the first time...

02:19:03.000 I noticed nothing.

02:19:04.000 Yeah, right?

02:19:05.000 First time I noticed nothing.

02:19:07.000 Another time...

02:19:08.000 It was like, bam, you're what winked at me. 1.00

02:19:11.000 You're that fucker for a millisecond that winked at me. 1.00

02:19:14.000 So I started to get to know this Cheshire cat. 1.00

02:19:16.000 And this cat was like telling me I'm ancient and powerful.

02:19:20.000 Imagine Cheshire cat saying that.

02:19:21.000 Wow.

02:19:22.000 And I started arguing with it.

02:19:24.000 I said, well, I'm ancient and powerful. 0.99

02:19:27.000 But then we kept going back and forth, and with every fucking moment, it was diminishing. 0.97

02:19:31.000 And no, I'm really, I'm ancient and powerful. 0.98

02:19:33.000 You know, it was like, we got in this argument. 0.98

02:19:35.000 So that was like my multiple experiences, like arguing with this fucking Cheshire Cat, being like, is it ancient and powerful? 0.98

02:19:41.000 One time it showed me it's pretty strong, but like, what's up? 0.98

02:19:43.000 Now here's the thing that happened that I didn't anticipate.

02:19:47.000 It was like a systems check, bro.

02:19:52.000 I tried to blow my speakers, and it's like, if you're off your path, you're gonna feel pain and anxiety. 0.92

02:19:57.000 And if you're on your path, you're gonna feel fucking good. 0.95

02:20:00.000 Yeah. 0.91

02:20:01.000 Pay attention to that.

02:20:02.000 Yeah.

02:20:02.000 And then it cured my insomnia.

02:20:04.000 Oh, interesting.

02:20:04.000 Like, medical insomnia for, you know, the first 30 years of my life.

02:20:09.000 And you think that insomnia was based on that anxiety?

02:20:12.000 No, no.

02:20:13.000 It felt, like, it was a miraculous thing that I never even heard of happening with people.

02:20:20.000 But it was like, from that moment on, like my older brother, you know, was around just to, you know, because I didn't know this shaman guy, right?

02:20:28.000 So like, I wanted someone to have my back.

02:20:30.000 Right, like a sitter.

02:20:31.000 Just somebody who was watching me with this person.

02:20:34.000 The shaman actually panicked and started having a panic attack.

02:20:38.000 It was weird, dude.

02:20:39.000 The shaman did.

02:20:40.000 Yeah, man.

02:20:41.000 Yeah, it was weird.

02:20:42.000 And so then I was just, because I was doing it alone, too, like this ayahuasca thing.

02:20:46.000 So it was just you and the shaman and your brother, and the shaman had a panic attack.

02:20:52.000 Yes, what looked like a panic attack.

02:20:54.000 Was he also under the influence?

02:20:55.000 Yeah, they always take it with you, I guess.

02:20:57.000 Oh.

02:20:58.000 I only did that one time.

02:21:00.000 Yeah, he freaked, man.

02:21:01.000 Whoa.

02:21:02.000 Yeah, it was kind of disconcerting.

02:21:04.000 So this is DMT, so it's a short trip?

02:21:06.000 No, but this was ayahuasca, which contains DMT. Right.

02:21:10.000 But it's like a longer experience.

02:21:13.000 Okay, right, right, right.

02:21:13.000 So that's the one that cured my insomnia.

02:21:15.000 That's not the Cheshire cat.

02:21:16.000 Okay.

02:21:17.000 That's the short stuff.

02:21:17.000 But this one, it...

02:21:20.000 Yeah, it was like, it was the only time that I ever felt my body possessed by something other, you know, something else.

02:21:27.000 And then it, like, did a system check.

02:21:30.000 Like, imagine you have a billion drawers of number two pencils, all different colors at different lengths, and it opens each drawer and looks that you've used that, you know, one quarter amount, and they shut the drawer.

02:21:41.000 It was like, like, it just did a system check.

02:21:43.000 Wow.

02:21:44.000 Then it was like, okay, good job.

02:21:46.000 Now let's see if we can break something. 0.99

02:21:48.000 And it like tries to blow my fucking speakers out. 0.99

02:21:50.000 This was my subjective experience, right? 0.99

02:21:53.000 Tries to like blow my speakers out.

02:21:55.000 My body makes like, whoa, like it was weird. 1.00

02:21:58.000 And then it was like a slap on the ass. 1.00

02:22:00.000 It felt like... 1.00

02:22:02.000 Like, this experience of life is so fragile and momentary, and you could fuck up really easy. 0.87

02:22:10.000 If you just get a little off course, in ten years from now, you're gonna be way the fuck off course.

02:22:16.000 So it kind of was like, you'll know if you start going off course.

02:22:19.000 That's what I took from it.

02:22:20.000 Again, I only did it one time, but that's what I took from it.

02:22:23.000 You'll know and so trust your intuition.

02:22:27.000 Correct course immediately too.

02:22:28.000 Right.

02:22:29.000 And understand that when you feel badly about something like that, that there's a reason for that.

02:22:35.000 Yes.

02:22:35.000 To me specifically, you'll feel pain.

02:22:38.000 You'll feel anxiety and pain.

02:22:39.000 Indicators.

02:22:40.000 For me.

02:22:40.000 Yeah, yeah, but these are indicators that like whatever it is the universe is giving you that you're not on the path that you're supposed to be on Yeah, man because our past like the minds been very varied I'm always finding my place my place in life in what I didn't think I would do you know I always thought I would you know train judo or boxing or you know that I would always do like a martial art or When I started making films,

02:23:04.000 and I started making art, fine art, and then making films, I never thought I'd be in that.

02:23:08.000 I had a loss of identity, a loss of my spirit.

02:23:11.000 I was so off course, I got so sick from something called valley fever, I couldn't train anymore.

02:23:17.000 What's valley fever? 0.81

02:23:19.000 You inhale a fungus or a spore, and it attacks your lungs, and typically people could feel like they got a cold, or they fucking die, or something like that.

02:23:28.000 And what happened was I was overseas and I had been harboring it in my body for about two and a half months. 0.98

02:23:34.000 And I look at myself in the mirror and I'm fucking like skeleton. 0.85

02:23:37.000 And an emergency came home, went to special disease at UCLA, and they treated me for it, which is you take this whole body antifungal. 0.98

02:23:45.000 But the problem is it had gone into my lungs, my kidneys, near my heart, like it got into my bloodstream.

02:23:52.000 So I started getting like an abscess in my arm.

02:23:54.000 I was a really healthy athlete.

02:23:59.000 But when that happened, it took from me the ability to do what I thought I was, and I had to completely re-understand my life that I am not just the things that I do, that the things I do come from who I am, where my passion is.

02:24:16.000 So that was a learning lesson for me, is going through an illness that stopped me from doing what I loved to do and thought that's all I would ever do.

02:24:26.000 So the path is like curvy, but I accept that as long as I'm being true and I'm not feeling that anxiety and pain.

02:24:35.000 It's okay to feel pain.

02:24:36.000 It's great to feel pain.

02:24:37.000 With your fascination of the UFO experience and then you having psychedelic experiences, did you feel like there's any sort of connection between psychedelic experiences and UFO experiences?

02:24:50.000 Did you think that those realms that you access through psychedelics in any way are related to extraterrestrial intelligence?

02:25:03.000 I love the theory.

02:25:04.000 I have no idea.

02:25:05.000 I just know that I can...

02:25:08.000 Mushrooms has cured my cluster migraines.

02:25:14.000 I know that there's something there that is of great benefit to my consciousness...

02:25:20.000 From time to time, but I don't know if I'm tapping into, like, I wouldn't even...

02:25:26.000 I've never felt that I'm tapping into, like, an other intelligence rather than our collective intelligence.

02:25:33.000 I don't know.

02:25:34.000 People say that, but...

02:25:37.000 Also, I've never had, like, a close encounter.

02:25:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:40.000 Right.

02:25:41.000 What have you had?

02:25:42.000 Like, what encounters have you had?

02:25:43.000 We need Foley for this.

02:25:45.000 Yeah, because Foley... 0.82

02:25:46.000 Did you and Foley have something together?

02:25:48.000 Yeah.

02:25:49.000 He talked about it publicly, and I didn't want him hanging out in the wind on his own.

02:25:55.000 So I did see something with Foley, something I'd never seen before.

02:25:58.000 Where'd you guys go? 0.98

02:26:00.000 So we're by where I live, and we're just hanging out, and we're going on a walk, and it's just as the sun is kind of setting, just, you know, talking shit. 0.99

02:26:11.000 And he makes some fucking joke, and he's like... 0.98

02:26:14.000 Oh, coming out to see the UFO expert, I figured I'd see a UFO. I really wish we could see one. 0.99

02:26:19.000 I'm like, oh, you're funny. 1.00

02:26:20.000 You should be a comedian, asshole. 1.00

02:26:21.000 You know, it's like, we're just fucking with him. 1.00

02:26:24.000 He's fucking with me. 1.00

02:26:26.000 Not 45 seconds after he says that, I go, turn the fuck around. 1.00

02:26:31.000 I thought it would be super brief. 0.99

02:26:33.000 I thought it would be brief. 0.97

02:26:34.000 This big fucking glowing thing that comes in at 45 degrees and just goes like over this valley, right? 0.98

02:26:41.000 And I just thought it'd be a shooting star or something. 0.99

02:26:43.000 You know, your mind says, so this is normal.

02:26:45.000 This is normal.

02:26:46.000 Right.

02:26:46.000 And we're both standing there looking at it.

02:26:51.000 I said out loud, I have practiced the quick draw with the phone. 0.99

02:26:56.000 I'm not going to be that asshole that sees something and doesn't film it. 0.99

02:26:58.000 I have practiced this quick draw. 0.99

02:27:00.000 Otherwise people are going to hate me, right?

02:27:02.000 I said out loud, he always reminds me of this.

02:27:05.000 I said out loud, I am not even going to try and film this.

02:27:12.000 It was so astonishing looking.

02:27:15.000 It was so different than what I was used to seeing that I was kind of stunned.

02:27:23.000 And so was he.

02:27:25.000 And we thought maybe it would be really brief.

02:27:28.000 But this thing goes.

02:27:29.000 It comes down to 45 degrees.

02:27:31.000 It was big.

02:27:32.000 Big like how big?

02:27:34.000 Well, it's hard to tell because it's not shaped like something that I know the size of.

02:27:38.000 But I could tell it was within the valley.

02:27:40.000 So it was big.

02:27:41.000 I mean, at least a few school buses in length, three or four together at least, is what I'd have to say.

02:27:49.000 And when you say that it wasn't shaped like anything that you could recognize, what was it shaped like?

02:27:56.000 He says like a hamburger with a bite out the front.

02:27:59.000 Foley said that, which I would agree with.

02:28:01.000 But what I'm saying is, if you show me a 747, I can tell you...

02:28:06.000 Didn't Dave draw it?

02:28:07.000 He did, and it's very accurate.

02:28:10.000 He put it on his Twitter, I think?

02:28:12.000 Right.

02:28:12.000 Okay, so it had these big lights in the front.

02:28:15.000 It was so weird looking.

02:28:17.000 It had these big lights in the front.

02:28:19.000 But the whole body of it would glow and pulse And here's the weird part to me.

02:28:25.000 So he has a different thing that he thinks is really important.

02:28:27.000 I have my feeling.

02:28:29.000 The thing comes in at 45 degrees. 1.00

02:28:30.000 This was the crazy shit for me. 0.98

02:28:32.000 It does this movement where once it levels out, it goes like four times. 0.99

02:28:39.000 Impossible speed in these jumps.

02:28:41.000 And every time it did it, it would flare up.

02:28:44.000 What I was impressed by was the tremendous power.

02:28:47.000 The power that it took to make these movements.

02:28:51.000 Four of them.

02:28:53.000 No sonic booms. 1.00

02:28:54.000 That shit was way too fast. 0.99

02:28:55.000 It looked like it was sliding. 1.00

02:28:57.000 It was fucking weird, dude. 0.95

02:28:59.000 And then Dave Wright, so that's the angle it came in towards our view, our angle of view. 0.98

02:29:04.000 And it's traveling where those three lights are, but that's not what glowed.

02:29:09.000 The body of it glowed every time it made these slip marks, these slip movements.

02:29:14.000 It went over to a hill, sat there, and then just descended down.

02:29:18.000 So it says, what Dave wrote is, after years of interest in the UFOs, without ever seeing anything, I saw something.

02:29:24.000 This is a drawing of what I saw.

02:29:26.000 I was with a friend who I'll let decide if he wants to be attached to this, and he does, there he is.

02:29:31.000 He moves silently at great speed, hovered and pulsated with light.

02:29:38.000 Huh.

02:29:38.000 And then I made a comment or something on there, but yeah.

02:29:42.000 Yeah.

02:29:43.000 So look, so we've got Foley, who, how old is he now?

02:29:48.000 I mean...

02:29:48.000 He also writes, I should point out the white lights at the front of the craft, assuming that it was moving forward, and those lights pulsated separately from the body of the craft, which also pulsated.

02:29:58.000 Right.

02:29:59.000 And then Mick West, of course, jumps in.

02:30:01.000 Jesus.

02:30:03.000 Cloud, you share a date, time, location.

02:30:07.000 I think you meant to say could.

02:30:10.000 And if known, direction.

02:30:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:30:13.000 I mean, I went all full of UFO investigators.

02:30:16.000 We didn't tell anybody for a long time.

02:30:17.000 Like, even tell my wife about it. 0.97

02:30:19.000 It's fucking weird, right? 0.88

02:30:20.000 I like looked at where the International Space Station was. 0.97

02:30:23.000 I looked at all air traffic.

02:30:25.000 You know, you're trying to just make sense of it.

02:30:28.000 Right.

02:30:28.000 I know it's extraordinary.

02:30:30.000 It did something.

02:30:32.000 Why didn't you pull your phone out, man?

02:30:34.000 What?

02:30:35.000 Why didn't you pull your phone out when you saw it?

02:30:37.000 Dude, it makes me more angry than it makes you.

02:30:41.000 It doesn't make me angry.

02:30:42.000 It makes me really angry.

02:30:43.000 Like, I was like...

02:30:45.000 Because you just wanted to experience it.

02:30:46.000 Yes, because I thought it would be so brief.

02:30:49.000 Right, you didn't want to lose it.

02:30:51.000 Because then you lose, like, some eyesight.

02:30:53.000 But Dave says, and he's right, we reacted very strangely to seeing something so unique.

02:31:01.000 Like, it was void of emotion.

02:31:05.000 Like it hypnotized you. 0.99

02:31:06.000 I'm not saying that shit. 0.99

02:31:08.000 No, but you know what I'm saying? 0.99

02:31:09.000 Almost like the uniqueness, the novelty of it, that it was so wild and that you knew you were seeing something unique to the point where it captivates you.

02:31:22.000 Captivated me.

02:31:23.000 It did.

02:31:24.000 It was beautiful in how weird and exotic it was.

02:31:27.000 And look, here's the joke. 0.99

02:31:29.000 I'm the guy, you know, hunting UFOs, talk to all these people every day that have encounters that I believe, and I never saw shit. 0.95

02:31:35.000 I would always be the guy going in to get the night vision goggles to look at the sky and everybody starts screaming, oh my god, did you just see that? 0.96

02:31:42.000 I was the guy always with his back turned.

02:31:44.000 Yeah.

02:31:44.000 Now it's like me bringing sand to the beach, man.

02:31:46.000 The UFO guy sees a UFO. Who's gonna believe me?

02:31:48.000 I'm the least believable.

02:31:50.000 That's the problem with the whole UFO experience is that no one believes anyone unless they've had an experience themselves.

02:31:56.000 Right.

02:31:57.000 Like, when you have an experience yourself, there's probably this pause where you don't really want to talk about it because you don't want everybody to think you're a loon.

02:32:05.000 Yeah, I'm way past that.

02:32:07.000 You know, I got no credibility to ruin it at this point. 0.97

02:32:10.000 Fucking easy. 0.97

02:32:12.000 Oh, man. 0.99

02:32:14.000 I've not seen anything.

02:32:15.000 I don't think.

02:32:16.000 Maybe I saw something when I was a kid, but I'm probably exaggerating.

02:32:20.000 I really believe you've got to just look up.

02:32:22.000 I really believe that.

02:32:24.000 So you think there's more than enough of them?

02:32:27.000 Yeah.

02:32:28.000 I think that if it is what we think it is, if there is a presence, let's just call it non-human intelligence, and it is engaging humanity and has been for a long fucking time since the beginning of recorded human history, if not before, if any of this is true,

02:32:43.000 it seems reasonable that in some way they want to be seen on a personal level. 0.90

02:32:53.000 If any of this is true, If you look up, man, just look the fuck up.

02:33:00.000 You know, I believe if you really want it and you look up, there's something to this UFO thing, man.

02:33:05.000 Well, I know that there's been a series of sightings in Southern California and that a lot of people saw things, particularly off of Catalina.

02:33:13.000 Well, that area.

02:33:14.000 Yeah.

02:33:15.000 Yeah, that's for sure.

02:33:16.000 What do you think that's about?

02:33:19.000 Don't know.

02:33:21.000 Locationally?

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:22.000 It's about...

02:33:24.000 I don't know.

02:33:25.000 That's an interesting area of the world.

02:33:26.000 There are some places that seem to have higher activity of these UFOs.

02:33:32.000 Do you think maybe one of the explanations would be that Catalina is off the coast of California and that they use the water as like a place where they have a base or where they meet or where they...

02:33:45.000 A fueling station or something.

02:33:48.000 Whatever.

02:33:49.000 Or maybe just a safe place, man.

02:33:51.000 Yeah.

02:33:51.000 Or a place to completely avoid detection.

02:33:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:33:54.000 I was told a long time ago by an admiral that I trust, like family, that this is important to look into, that there's meat on the bone, And that every branch of our military studies this current day,

02:34:14.000 and this was 10 years ago, having this conversation.

02:34:17.000 I was asking him, should I waste my time on this Lazar guy?

02:34:21.000 Specifically, because this is a person that would know.

02:34:23.000 Just leave it at that, right?

02:34:26.000 And it took a while for this person to really answer me.

02:34:30.000 They let me into some cool places to check out just because I had fascination about this stuff, some military stuff.

02:34:37.000 They let me come see stuff because I had fascination.

02:34:40.000 Not UFO stuff, just general stuff.

02:34:43.000 And the person we're talking about ended up saying to me, it's worth your time, specifically, to look into Lazar.

02:34:52.000 It's worth your time.

02:34:53.000 And this is somebody that has stopped me from wasting my time on other ideas.

02:34:58.000 And this person also said to me that there's more activity under the water than there is in the air with these UFO things. 0.80

02:35:05.000 If that's true, If that's true, I said, well, I said, how the fuck am I gonna research that? 0.52

02:35:10.000 I got a submarine.

02:35:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:35:12.000 What am I supposed to do?

02:35:13.000 Right.

02:35:14.000 With that information, thanks.

02:35:16.000 He's like, you ever seen the movie The Abyss?

02:35:18.000 I'm like, yeah.

02:35:19.000 He's like, it's a good one.

02:35:22.000 Oh.

02:35:23.000 The movie The Abyss was fascinating, right?

02:35:25.000 Because that opened up people's ideas to the idea, or opened up people's minds to the idea that there could be a spaceship in the water and aliens in the water.

02:35:35.000 And that, of course, you would have no idea that they were there.

02:35:39.000 Right.

02:35:40.000 Abyss is great to the ending.

02:35:41.000 I don't remember the ending.

02:35:44.000 The ending's like, why are you showing me so much?

02:35:46.000 I'm just glad the movie exists.

02:35:47.000 I just watched Contact again.

02:35:49.000 Contact's great.

02:35:50.000 Have you watched that recently?

02:35:51.000 Yeah, I watched it a couple of years ago.

02:35:52.000 Couple years ago?

02:35:53.000 I think I watched it during the pandemic, when the first pandemic first started.

02:35:57.000 Watched it again.

02:35:58.000 I love that movie, man.

02:35:59.000 It's a great movie.

02:35:59.000 I hadn't seen it since it came out, probably, right?

02:36:01.000 Yeah.

02:36:02.000 And I watched it the other week.

02:36:04.000 It's that thing where the rest of the world doesn't experience what that person experiences.

02:36:10.000 So Jodie Foster, right?

02:36:11.000 Is that her name?

02:36:13.000 And she dropped down in that thing. 0.78

02:36:14.000 I remember they put a chair in it and the chair started going crazy because it wasn't designed that way.

02:36:19.000 And she gets out of it and the chair smashes against it.

02:36:22.000 For her, she had this whole experience.

02:36:25.000 You know, whatever.

02:36:27.000 Number of hours, 22 hours, whatever.

02:36:29.000 The rest of the world just saw not even a second.

02:36:32.000 Yeah.

02:36:33.000 That's your interdimensional theory right there.

02:36:35.000 The idea that there's popping into timelines across space and time.

02:36:42.000 Well, I think if you were an incredibly advanced being, you know, if you think about the human race, if the human race doesn't blow itself up and we move on and continue to advance for another million years,

02:36:58.000 you would assume that we would have...

02:37:02.000 The ability to do all kinds of things that are just science fiction now.

02:37:07.000 And one of them might be interdimensional travel, access to realms that are previously unseen that we just don't understand because we're just too primitive.

02:37:17.000 It was preposterous to fly like a bird at one time.

02:37:20.000 Yeah.

02:37:21.000 It was preposterous to go on a train.

02:37:22.000 They thought if you go on a train more than 35 miles an hour, your body would liquefy or something.

02:37:27.000 They thought you would die.

02:37:28.000 And to put metal up in the air, right?

02:37:31.000 Yeah.

02:37:31.000 Crazy.

02:37:32.000 I mean, it's all crazy.

02:37:33.000 It's science fiction until it's science fact.

02:37:36.000 Right.

02:37:36.000 So maybe what we're witnessing is just nature.

02:37:39.000 See, that's my whole thing with this UFO thing is if this is just nature, if this is part of the ecosystem of the world we live in, We're just like, UFOs are part of our reality.

02:37:49.000 There's nothing we can do about that anymore.

02:37:50.000 That has been determined.

02:37:51.000 You've done been told.

02:37:53.000 Disclosure, in that sense, has already been done.

02:37:55.000 You've been told UFOs are real.

02:37:58.000 It's just like, What does that mean for us?

02:38:02.000 How large of an ecosystem is this that we're dealing with?

02:38:05.000 Isn't that just nature?

02:38:06.000 Like, before we thought there were monsters in the ocean.

02:38:09.000 You said that before.

02:38:10.000 We thought there was monsters in the ocean.

02:38:11.000 Now we got names for them.

02:38:12.000 Maybe what we're seeing is just a part of nature that we are just becoming aware of.

02:38:18.000 Just like a Copernican revolution.

02:38:21.000 Right.

02:38:21.000 That there are entities and there are life forms that are far more advanced than us.

02:38:27.000 Yeah.

02:38:27.000 And that they've always been here.

02:38:31.000 And the UFO mystery or puzzle might represent something more than just physical machines from other intelligent entities.

02:38:40.000 You know, there might be something bigger going on.

02:38:43.000 Like what?

02:38:43.000 Well, I don't know, like as if it's being presented that way to us, to almost like educate us or teach us something.

02:38:50.000 I would hope that.

02:38:51.000 I think that's a cool theory.

02:38:53.000 So they're allowing us to formulate new thoughts based on these experiences and contact and sightings.

02:39:01.000 I mean, it's such an altruistic way of looking at it, but if I was this hyper-intelligent species, whether being here on Earth or just being here a long time, maybe I got stuck here, or I'm from somewhere else, bringing people, adapting people to your presence and helping an evolution,

02:39:17.000 a technological evolution, these craft that crash, Like, maybe that's to inspire the next leap for us.

02:39:25.000 I mean, I don't know. 0.98

02:39:26.000 Defense people would be like, Jeremy, that's bullshit. 0.99

02:39:28.000 They're prepping the battlefield. 1.00

02:39:29.000 We're fucked. 1.00

02:39:30.000 We need to find out their intent. 1.00

02:39:32.000 Yeah.

02:39:32.000 It's a different perspective.

02:39:33.000 But it's also, they seem...

02:39:35.000 Well, you would know this.

02:39:39.000 Because I've said this before, I want to make sure it's true.

02:39:42.000 The sightings picked up in a big way after they dropped the bombs.

02:39:49.000 Yeah, fact.

02:39:50.000 Yeah, so after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that's when all the sightings started happening.

02:39:56.000 Even the development.

02:39:57.000 Oh, so during the Manhattan Project.

02:39:59.000 Yeah, during the development.

02:40:00.000 The Trinity.

02:40:01.000 UFOs have always been part of the human experience.

02:40:03.000 Let's not forget that.

02:40:06.000 Right.

02:40:07.000 But it is...

02:40:07.000 But we don't know what those people are seeing, right?

02:40:10.000 When they talk about the Vimanas and the...

02:40:13.000 Shields of fire in the sky.

02:40:14.000 Yeah.

02:40:15.000 We don't know what they're seeing.

02:40:16.000 How could we?

02:40:17.000 The Bhagavad Gita.

02:40:18.000 Yeah, there's in so many different...

02:40:21.000 Like Ezekiel, right?

02:40:23.000 In the Bible.

02:40:24.000 A wheel within a wheel.

02:40:25.000 It's all interpretation, right? 0.99

02:40:26.000 What the fuck was Ezekiel talking? 0.99

02:40:28.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:40:29.000 But people are seeing things in the sky that seem to be machines.

02:40:33.000 I mean, no matter what, they describe that.

02:40:35.000 There's also these ancient depictions and paintings of what looks like people in spacecraft flying around.

02:40:42.000 One of the first posts I ever did on my website is an image of a painting from pre-flight days, and it shows this fucking disc, and it's shooting down light onto John the Baptist or something.

02:40:56.000 I don't know.

02:41:00.000 Artists will sometimes paint what they have seen and put it in historical context. 1.00

02:41:06.000 This shit's haunting, man. 0.99

02:41:08.000 What we're seeing today has been seen before. 1.00

02:41:13.000 Again, I've got an article from 1960 where there's cubes and spears that fighter pilots see.

02:41:18.000 Ooh, where's that article?

02:41:19.000 Literally, I'll just give you...

02:41:20.000 I had to get it from somebody, but...

02:41:22.000 Do you have a copy in your phone?

02:41:23.000 Yeah, I got it right here.

02:41:24.000 Get it to Jamie.

02:41:26.000 I need to see that.

02:41:30.000 They tell you what the pilot saw.

02:41:34.000 But still, the fact that from the 1960s, they have this same thing that they saw that...

02:41:41.000 What's your AirDrop?

02:41:43.000 Oh, sorry.

02:41:43.000 Let me open mine up.

02:41:44.000 Jamie's MacBook Pro?

02:41:45.000 Yeah, you can do that.

02:41:46.000 That'll work.

02:41:50.000 What's crazy, too, is that for whatever reason...

02:41:56.000 They seem to go to specific areas.

02:41:58.000 Like you were saying, the cube, the sphere.

02:42:02.000 Here it is.

02:42:04.000 Two identified pilots, one flying a Frontier Airlines plane, the other a military jet, reportedly spotted the object.

02:42:12.000 The FAA at Grand Junction said the objects appeared to be spherical and enclosing a square object.

02:42:23.000 The lights alternatively flashing the different colors appear to emanate from the square object within the sphere.

02:42:32.000 The FAA spokesman here declined to comment further on it.

02:42:37.000 And then go all the way up, Jamie, so we can see what year this is, what time the...

02:42:43.000 So this is the Alamogordo, New Mexico, Thursday, September 29th, 1960. Wild.

02:42:53.000 Yeah, man.

02:42:54.000 That's wild.

02:42:54.000 An online sleuth found this for me.

02:42:57.000 UFO flashes colored lights on the heels Which, by the way,

02:43:18.000 red, white, and green people were like, oh, that's FAA lights on the stuff I released? 0.98

02:43:23.000 And I'm like, really, bitch? 0.98

02:43:24.000 I'm like, okay, well, look, they were doing red, white, and green back in 1960 when fucking cubes were flying around and, you know? 0.99

02:43:30.000 That is so wild that it's the exact same description. 0.90

02:43:33.000 Yes.

02:43:34.000 A cube encased in a circle.

02:43:37.000 I don't even think...

02:43:38.000 I've told none of the pilots about this.

02:43:40.000 I don't know why I've just never shared this with them.

02:43:42.000 They should probably know.

02:43:44.000 They know now.

02:43:44.000 Yeah.

02:43:45.000 Show them.

02:43:46.000 1960. Yeah, man.

02:43:48.000 Safety of flight issues.

02:43:49.000 Cubes again.

02:43:50.000 1960. That's crazy.

02:43:55.000 That's really wild, man.

02:43:58.000 Really wild.

02:43:59.000 Why are you interested in UFOs?

02:44:02.000 Well, I guess I've always been.

02:44:04.000 I think everybody is.

02:44:05.000 Most people.

02:44:06.000 If you thought they were real.

02:44:08.000 You know, the people that aren't interested in them, they're not interested in them because they think it's nonsense.

02:44:13.000 But if they really thought there's a strong potential for it to be real, I don't know how you could not be fascinated.

02:44:20.000 That's why I had that argument with Neil deGrasse Tyson about it.

02:44:23.000 Why would they care about us? 0.99

02:44:24.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:44:25.000 We go study slugs. 1.00

02:44:27.000 We study spores and microbes.

02:44:30.000 Why wouldn't they study territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons?

02:44:34.000 Why wouldn't they study that?

02:44:36.000 Of course they would.

02:44:36.000 Why isn't he salivating over the fact- He's an odd guy.

02:44:40.000 Okay. 1.00

02:44:40.000 I don't know what the fuck is going on in his mind. 1.00

02:44:43.000 I really don't. 0.99

02:44:43.000 He was mocking people for being interested in the eclipse. 0.99

02:44:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:50.000 And everybody was giving him shit online. 1.00

02:44:52.000 Like, what is wrong with you? 1.00

02:44:53.000 Like, you're literally the guy that's, like, telling everybody to look at the cosmos.

02:44:58.000 Yeah.

02:44:58.000 You know?

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:00.000 It's like, what are you doing?

02:45:01.000 It's an inconsistency that I've yet to understand.

02:45:04.000 Maybe he's troubled.

02:45:05.000 Maybe he's not happy.

02:45:06.000 I don't know.

02:45:07.000 I just don't...

02:45:08.000 I mean, he generally has...

02:45:11.000 So much joy when it comes to science.

02:45:13.000 It's like the inconsistency is confusing to me.

02:45:17.000 And the idea that they wouldn't be interested in us is, to me, preposterous.

02:45:24.000 If we found something like us somewhere else, we would be so...

02:45:28.000 If we found frogs on Mars, just frogs, you know?

02:45:34.000 I mean if you believe the messaging that people talk about like that I'm friends with these two ladies.

02:45:40.000 They were at the aerial school And they you know were with that's where the craft landed and Like a bunch of kids 60 kids or something They see it John Mack went and studied it all this stuff so that the two Females that I know that were their closest proximity to what they said was a being that came out They're like We were mesmerized by it like looking in the eyes of this thing they were mesmerized by it was the words and

02:46:11.000 It put these images in their head which at the time Didn't mean anything much to them.

02:46:17.000 It was like destruction of the earth like this whole thing But talking to him now They're like maybe we're supposed to talk about this It's still with them like what they saw if you believe their story or not they believe it'll tell you that much and You know,

02:46:33.000 that they got these visual messages, and I've heard this over and over and over. 0.98

02:46:37.000 I wonder what they're up to, these fucking weird things, man. 0.98

02:46:40.000 Putting ideas into people's heads, man. 0.99

02:46:43.000 Is this that painting you see?

02:46:44.000 Yeah, yeah, that's the one!

02:46:45.000 So it's called the Baptism of Christ?

02:46:49.000 Uh-huh, look at the year.

02:46:50.000 1710. So that thing in the sky is a circular object that's showing beams of light that shoot down on the baptism of Christ.

02:47:00.000 Can you zoom in on the object?

02:47:04.000 Yeah, what is that?

02:47:07.000 1710. That is wild.

02:47:09.000 I mean, what do you think they were trying to show?

02:47:12.000 It's hard to say, but it's illuminating one very specific area on the ground, much like Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

02:47:21.000 Everything else in that painting doesn't look interpretive.

02:47:25.000 The people look like people. 0.94

02:47:27.000 It's not a Salvador Dali painting.

02:47:28.000 So I'm going to make the assumption that in this style of painting, you're drawing this idea of what is there.

02:47:35.000 So I would have to think maybe this person who painted this, you know, maybe they've seen something like that before.

02:47:44.000 Or that's like their version of showing the power of God without showing God.

02:47:50.000 Right.

02:47:50.000 I could see that like a light, a beam of light down to the sky from the heavens.

02:47:57.000 I mean, they're not showing something that they're seeing because it's the baptism of Christ.

02:48:01.000 They weren't there for that.

02:48:03.000 Right.

02:48:03.000 But I'm saying that they're drawing something, whereas the people look like people.

02:48:06.000 It's realistic.

02:48:07.000 Yeah, it's realistic.

02:48:07.000 So, like, what is a disc?

02:48:09.000 I have no idea.

02:48:11.000 It's just fascinating in ancient artwork that you've got these things.

02:48:16.000 That look like this.

02:48:18.000 I'll turn the question on you.

02:48:20.000 Why are you so interested in UFOs? 0.99

02:48:22.000 I don't fucking know, dude. 0.98

02:48:25.000 You think that's funny? 0.98

02:48:26.000 It is kind of funny because we both don't have a real answer.

02:48:30.000 I haven't really figured that out.

02:48:35.000 No one does.

02:48:36.000 I like to hunt.

02:48:38.000 Right, the chase is fascinating, right?

02:48:40.000 That people will talk to me?

02:48:41.000 That I get to sit in these rooms?

02:48:42.000 That I get to be on these phone calls?

02:48:44.000 And the wonder, right?

02:48:45.000 Oh, dude, the wonder, bro.

02:48:47.000 Yeah, the wonder is really intense. 0.99

02:48:48.000 I almost don't want to figure this shit out. 0.98

02:48:50.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:48:52.000 Yeah, I know.

02:48:54.000 Well, I kind of do want to, but then maybe the mystique will be all gone, then we'll feel terrified.

02:48:58.000 Right.

02:48:59.000 They're just space whales, and they're turds. 0.96

02:49:01.000 Well, I don't think so.

02:49:02.000 I think the idea would be that we're lab rats.

02:49:06.000 I think that's what's scary to me, is that somehow or another we're being examined.

02:49:10.000 And we are such a preposterous, yet super advanced civilization. 1.00

02:49:15.000 I mean, we're governed by politicians that are clearly corrupt and also full of shit. 1.00

02:49:21.000 We allow those same people to control various aspects of the way we interact with other governments that could lead to mass deaths and often do. 1.00

02:49:33.000 It's really wild.

02:49:35.000 When you think about what we're doing, we use coal-powered plants to power supposedly zero-emission electric cars. 1.00

02:49:44.000 It's like, are you fucking crazy? 0.96

02:49:47.000 And then we're terrified of nuclear power, which is probably the cleanest, safest form of power that we've ever devised. 0.99

02:49:54.000 We're weird.

02:49:55.000 We're weird across the board.

02:49:58.000 Every country has their hands in this UFO thing.

02:50:01.000 Yeah.

02:50:01.000 What country embraces it the most openly, publicly?

02:50:05.000 The US. Oh, no.

02:50:05.000 Openly and publicly?

02:50:06.000 I don't know.

02:50:07.000 France has been really good about it.

02:50:08.000 Brazil.

02:50:10.000 I mean, even Chinese are saying there's so much data that they're analyzing with AI to help Aggregate the data.

02:50:18.000 Brazil had famous crashes, right?

02:50:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:50:23.000 And out of those, some metal evidence was retrieved, correct?

02:50:28.000 I don't know how you say it.

02:50:28.000 Virginia is where the being came out and someone got real sick from it all.

02:50:35.000 Yeah, look, but there have been crashes in many of the main countries that we'd consider...

02:50:43.000 Mm-hmm.

02:51:14.000 Laser technology that they knew we had UFO retrieval programs, that they knew that, you know, some of our programs were doing UFOs.

02:51:21.000 Like, all of this is what... 0.98

02:51:22.000 George Knapp got that out of Russia at a time when he could have been arrested for bringing that shit out in the airport, right? 0.97

02:51:30.000 Every major country has interest and a stake in this because I think people want a technological advantage, man. 0.99

02:51:36.000 If they can ascertain anything from this, they got a fucking technological advantage. 0.93

02:51:40.000 If Russia had had anything, they'd be using it right now, too. 0.99

02:51:44.000 That's the thing.

02:51:44.000 If we had a really great weapon caused, you know, from the retrieval stuff.

02:51:50.000 But other...

02:51:52.000 Other legislative people from other countries have reached out to me, saying that they want to replicate what the U.S. is doing in their country.

02:52:01.000 So the U.S. is doing it most openly now?

02:52:04.000 Right now, I would say that is a correct statement.

02:52:07.000 I mean, fast and hard, this language, the UFO language in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2023, UFO whistleblower language?

02:52:19.000 No one's done this before.

02:52:21.000 So assuming Bob was telling the truth, and Bob Lazar is telling the truth, that means that Area S4 housed multiple off-world crafts.

02:52:29.000 If that's the case, where are those things now?

02:52:32.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:52:33.000 I bet you they fucking moved those out the second Bob opened his big-ass mouth. 0.99

02:52:38.000 Where would they take them? 0.99

02:52:39.000 Do you think there's another site like that, but it's still remaining top secret?

02:52:43.000 And isn't that increasingly difficult to do with satellite technology?

02:52:47.000 I know there are facilities that we can keep secrets.

02:52:53.000 Our government can keep secrets.

02:52:55.000 That's for sure.

02:52:56.000 And so there are some top secret facilities that, like Area 51 used to be speculative, right?

02:53:02.000 It was speculative until they had to acquire more land and make more land top secret around the outside of it.

02:53:09.000 So they had to admit that it was there, right?

02:53:11.000 Yeah.

02:53:12.000 Because too many people were visiting.

02:53:13.000 Land grab.

02:53:14.000 Yeah.

02:53:14.000 How much of a factor do you think you and I had in the storm Area 51 movement?

02:53:19.000 I'm going to say zero.

02:53:22.000 No, dude. 1.00

02:53:22.000 The kid watched the movie, watched your podcast, and just went up and threw that shit up online. 1.00

02:53:29.000 I was doing damage control, man. 1.00

02:53:31.000 I mean, I got some angry-ass calls, like, are you going to cause problems kind of shit. 0.99

02:53:34.000 And I'm like, no, I'm going to go manage it, man. 0.99

02:53:36.000 Yeah, don't go.

02:53:38.000 Don't go, everybody.

02:53:40.000 People that want to dog me as the most well-known for the debacle of the 50s, Storm 51. I had nothing to do with that.

02:53:46.000 Nothing.

02:53:46.000 But I meant in terms of influencing it.

02:53:49.000 100%?

02:53:50.000 Is that okay to say?

02:53:51.000 Because that's the truth.

02:53:53.000 You know? 1.00

02:53:54.000 Fucking so stupid. 1.00

02:53:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:53:56.000 Those conversations we had, I think, with Bob Lazar in particular, really filled people's minds with imagination.

02:54:02.000 But look at that.

02:54:03.000 Look how...

02:54:04.000 And by the way, it was fun.

02:54:06.000 People were really calm and nice.

02:54:07.000 There were some bad actors, like people trying to stir me up, you know?

02:54:10.000 Right.

02:54:11.000 Are you going to go raid those gates? 0.99

02:54:12.000 No, I think they were like actual fucking- Probably feds. 0.98

02:54:15.000 Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. 0.98

02:54:16.000 Yeah, like the people that are telling people to storm the Capitol.

02:54:18.000 Get your zip ties.

02:54:19.000 Let's get in there and find Pelosi.

02:54:22.000 Creep me out, bro.

02:54:23.000 I got that evil bad feeling where I thought something bad was going to happen. 0.78

02:54:27.000 I think anytime there's any kind of an organization, any kind of an organization, someone from the federal government infiltrates it and tries to get them to do something fucked up so that they can invade and then take people down and arrest them.

02:54:41.000 I just think that's how they operate.

02:54:42.000 But it was kind of beautiful, though, to see people be able to get close to this, like, super secret gate that normally you'd be thrown on the ground in front of.

02:54:50.000 And what are you doing here?

02:54:50.000 And they were like, there was, like, a whole welcoming committee.

02:54:54.000 Really?

02:54:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:55.000 Yeah, I was standing up there.

02:54:56.000 I got footage of it, man.

02:54:57.000 Who was the welcoming committee?

02:54:58.000 All different agencies, plainclothes.

02:55:00.000 Like, they made sure you know not to cross that line.

02:55:03.000 But as long as you don't even think about that, it was all hugs and high fives.

02:55:07.000 Really?

02:55:07.000 Yeah, I got tons of photos of people there, right?

02:55:10.000 And they're just all...

02:55:11.000 And then some people recognized me as one of the people that might have like, you know, influenced me.

02:55:15.000 And then it was like more selfies.

02:55:17.000 It was so funny, dude.

02:55:18.000 They were super kind.

02:55:19.000 And I thought, I thought, how cool?

02:55:22.000 How cool is that?

02:55:23.000 That they were like, no, we're just like, we're cool today.

02:55:27.000 You can be here today.

02:55:28.000 Do you think that they know anything?

02:55:31.000 The employees there?

02:55:32.000 Yeah.

02:55:32.000 I've talked to a lot of employees, a lot, like former employees, current employees, and it's so compartmentalized.

02:55:40.000 But the one place, I don't think I should say this because then maybe they'll stop doing it, but the one place where the word on the wash is strong, as they say, is the bar at 51. There's a bar there?

02:55:53.000 Yeah, man.

02:55:53.000 It's a little secret I keep in, because I know the name, and I know, kind of, I can describe it, so if I get somebody...

02:56:00.000 So it's only the military guys who go there and drink?

02:56:02.000 Yes, you have to be on base.

02:56:04.000 You have to be on base.

02:56:05.000 But it's like, it's always the bar, right, where people talk, so that's where all the rumors go.

02:56:08.000 So Site 4, all that stuff, after talking maybe, you know, 30, 40 people, current, past, all that stuff, you know, people know that there's a facility at Papoose.

02:56:18.000 They know that.

02:56:20.000 So, if you think that they moved everything out of there when Bob started opening his mouth in the late 80s, is there any speculation as to where they would have moved it?

02:56:29.000 I have no speculation, and I don't know they did move it.

02:56:32.000 That's something George has said.

02:56:33.000 It's like, oh, if it was there, it's gone now, because...

02:56:36.000 Where would you take it? 0.98

02:56:37.000 Maybe you leave it right fucking there. 0.99

02:56:40.000 Right. 0.98

02:56:40.000 No one's going there. 0.98

02:56:41.000 Nobody's going there.

02:56:42.000 Actually, somebody that I've spoken with on record has gone there because they had access to...

02:56:49.000 The second they hit Papoose Dry Lake, out of nowhere, civilian contractors with machine guns and black attire... 0.67

02:57:00.000 Put him face down, and he's a Navy guy. 0.65

02:57:03.000 He's a Navy guy with like a good access to the land of 51, because it's so compartmentalized, usually you couldn't run around, but what he was doing, which I... It's not important, but he had access to more of the land.

02:57:13.000 He got fucking thrown on the ground. 0.99

02:57:14.000 He became a believer that day. 1.00

02:57:15.000 He's like, there is an installation.

02:57:16.000 I just want you to know my story, because...

02:57:18.000 He goes, I didn't see the exact thing.

02:57:20.000 I didn't get that far.

02:57:22.000 He goes, but if there was nothing there, where the people come from?

02:57:26.000 So you get anecdotal...

02:57:29.000 I don't know, dude.

02:57:30.000 Bob, he's so gangster.

02:57:32.000 I don't know if people know this, but the U.S. would never sell satellite time to take photos of Papoose Lake in 1989, 1990. So he hired a Russian satellite to take photos.

02:57:45.000 Really?

02:57:46.000 He did.

02:57:47.000 He hired a Russian satellite?

02:57:48.000 How does one even facilitate that?

02:57:50.000 I've seen the negatives.

02:57:53.000 They're in L.A. and a buddy of his has them.

02:57:56.000 I want the world to see them.

02:57:58.000 They're pretty neat.

02:57:59.000 They believe there's something there to be seen.

02:58:02.000 Still?

02:58:03.000 No, like in these satellites.

02:58:05.000 In these satellite images.

02:58:06.000 Yeah, like it looks like a saucer.

02:58:09.000 Does Google Earth have pictures of Area S4? Let's find out.

02:58:15.000 Yeah, sure.

02:58:17.000 Yeah.

02:58:18.000 I mean, people have taken planes and tried to come in, see, there's nothing there to see in the mountains.

02:58:24.000 They've got planes close by with, like, long lens cameras. 0.99

02:58:28.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.53

02:58:29.000 If it's as Lazar described, which, by the way, I've had so many confirmations that it is, there is a facility there like Bob described, right? 0.98

02:58:35.000 Right.

02:58:36.000 But if it was there, the whole point of it is to not be seen from the air.

02:58:41.000 Right.

02:58:42.000 That would be the whole point.

02:58:43.000 Right.

02:58:44.000 We have that in Switzerland, too, by the way.

02:58:48.000 We have, like, hillsides.

02:58:49.000 And if you know what you're looking for when you fly in to Switzerland, you can see markings on the roads where the planes come out of hills that are completely disguised as foliage and that.

02:59:00.000 The planes come out, taxi onto the roads and take off.

02:59:05.000 From the roads?

02:59:06.000 Uh-huh.

02:59:06.000 And you can see, if you know what you're looking for when you fly over Switzerland, you can see the markers.

02:59:11.000 So the markers, like, where they're told to go through?

02:59:15.000 Yeah, or like the flight takeoff landing.

02:59:17.000 Yeah, where those planes would take off and land.

02:59:19.000 Like the rubber where the tires hit?

02:59:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:59:22.000 I think where they're going to land and then hide these planes back into these hills that are retractable.

02:59:27.000 Really?

02:59:28.000 Yeah, man.

02:59:28.000 That's what I'm told.

02:59:29.000 Okay.

02:59:30.000 Yeah.

02:59:31.000 We'll look into it.

02:59:33.000 Area S4? I'm looking for that.

02:59:36.000 Yeah.

02:59:36.000 You can see above it, clearly.

02:59:39.000 Let's see what that looks like.

02:59:40.000 Well, I'm looking for pictures of it.

02:59:42.000 So that's it?

02:59:43.000 No, I don't know.

02:59:44.000 That's what I'm trying to...

02:59:45.000 I don't think it is.

02:59:46.000 Wait, Area 51?

02:59:47.000 It's not even new.

02:59:48.000 That's Area 51. You can actually see it on Google Maps.

02:59:51.000 Oh, yeah.

02:59:51.000 Area 51, you can see a lot of the facility now.

02:59:54.000 And Area 51 is still active?

02:59:57.000 Yeah, oh, big time.

02:59:58.000 This is claiming you can see a UFO from this picture, which is 2010 or something.

03:00:03.000 Google Maps reveals secret base with 30-meter UFO at Area 51 claims alien hunter.

03:00:11.000 Where's that?

03:00:11.000 Claims alien hunter.

03:00:12.000 So we've got to look at sources here.

03:00:14.000 What's going on?

03:00:14.000 I'm an alien hunter, bro.

03:00:16.000 Yeah, man.

03:00:17.000 I hate it when people call me a UFO enthusiast. 0.94

03:00:19.000 I'm like, I'm fucking enthusiastic about waking up in the morning. 0.95

03:00:22.000 I'm a UFO enthusiast. 0.87

03:00:24.000 You think that's okay?

03:00:24.000 People call me that, yeah.

03:00:25.000 Really?

03:00:25.000 Yeah, I'm enthusiastic.

03:00:27.000 That's their claim.

03:00:27.000 Well, that's about everything, though.

03:00:28.000 That's a UFO? Yeah, so some of these things I'm looking at, I'm like, I wouldn't even stop you guys to bring this up.

03:00:36.000 That's a goddamn building, you crackhead. 0.99

03:00:38.000 Here's the other thing I found, just for clarity. 1.00

03:00:40.000 It says this is someone tagged S4 on Google Maps.

03:00:44.000 When you Google this, this is what comes up, but they've just circled like...

03:00:48.000 Yeah, that's the hillside where people suggest it was built in.

03:00:51.000 So you can't really see anything from the sky?

03:00:54.000 Well, that would be the whole point of installations like this, which we do have.

03:00:58.000 Right.

03:00:59.000 According to this map, this says this is a picture from 2022. I don't know what day.

03:01:04.000 I don't see shit. 0.99

03:01:05.000 So they're just outlining the area where it would be, but you really can't see a damn thing. 0.99

03:01:10.000 People guessing or something?

03:01:11.000 But wouldn't there be roads that you could see?

03:01:13.000 Well, so in the older...

03:01:16.000 Footage there's you can see roads down to the lake, but that just means people drive down there.

03:01:20.000 And Papoose Lake is a dry lake bed, correct?

03:01:22.000 Right, so it's just south of Area 51. Area 51 is the box, right?

03:01:27.000 So it is a designation within the Nellis base, and they're all numbered and labeled Papoose.

03:01:33.000 So there's Area 51 proper with the runway.

03:01:36.000 And then where Bob, you know, would get on the bus is from Area 51, and I have people that saw him get on a bus and drive south, and then, you know, drive down to Papoose Lake.

03:01:48.000 And is there a road that leads to Papoose Lake?

03:01:50.000 There's two, so that one that goes along there.

03:01:52.000 That's a road.

03:01:53.000 There's a bunch of them, and I don't know. 0.99

03:01:54.000 So, fuck, there's a real road out there. 0.99

03:01:57.000 Wow. 1.00

03:01:58.000 The road's going a couple different directions.

03:02:00.000 Yeah.

03:02:00.000 Wow.

03:02:03.000 I just... 0.99

03:02:04.000 Fucking A. What is going on out there? 0.99

03:02:07.000 That's new developments.

03:02:09.000 What is going on out there?

03:02:11.000 All right, Jeremy.

03:02:12.000 All right, my friend.

03:02:13.000 Thank you very much for coming in here.

03:02:14.000 It's always a pleasure.

03:02:16.000 Great to talk to you.

03:02:17.000 Thank you for sharing whatever information you have and everything else.

03:02:20.000 Show me off air and I won't tell anybody.

03:02:22.000 Okay, okay.

03:02:22.000 Well, thanks for keeping the topic alive, Joe.

03:02:24.000 Oh, listen.

03:02:25.000 The topic is alive whether I keep it alive or not.

03:02:27.000 That's true.

03:02:28.000 It's something that more so now than I think any time in our lives.

03:02:32.000 Yeah, it is.

03:02:33.000 It's exciting.

03:02:34.000 Something's about to happen.

03:02:35.000 Maybe.

03:02:35.000 Oh, you know something?

03:02:36.000 No, no.

03:02:36.000 I hope.

03:02:37.000 I hope. 1.00

03:02:37.000 With all this shit, man. 1.00

03:02:39.000 Come on. 1.00

03:02:39.000 I hope so, too. 1.00

03:02:40.000 All right.

03:02:40.000 Thanks, man.

03:02:41.000 Bye, everybody.

03:02:41.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 04, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1853 - Jeremy Corbell

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