The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1857 - Seth Dillon

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00:00:12.000 Oh, hello, Seth.

00:00:13.000 Hey, Joe.

00:00:14.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:15.000 Nice to meet you in person, finally.

00:00:17.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:18.000 What has this been like for you?

00:00:20.000 The Babylon Bee rise and attack and all the chaos.

00:00:25.000 When did you guys start?

00:00:27.000 2016. 2016. What was the impetus?

00:00:31.000 The impetus was nobody was doing it.

00:00:35.000 There's nobody that's doing satirical comedy from a conservative perspective, I guess.

00:00:44.000 Adam Ford's the guy that founded it.

00:00:48.000 And it just, I mean, I don't know, there was a void there.

00:00:50.000 Nobody was filling that void.

00:00:51.000 So he's like, he publishes this site using like a WordPress template and like puts out some articles and they go viral so quick, like within two months he's getting millions of visits.

00:01:01.000 So, I don't know, he just had a sense that like somebody, you know, there's so much comedy, like the left dominated comedy.

00:01:07.000 They were just dominating it.

00:01:08.000 There was no answer to that.

00:01:13.000 That's a good question.

00:01:15.000 I mean...

00:01:17.000 So everything, like all of these institutions, like, you know, the media, education institutions, corporations, all these things, they're all dominated by the left.

00:01:26.000 So comedians, though, I mean, as you know, there's been this opportunity, this big opportunity to kind of like step in and provide comedy that makes jokes that the left isn't willing to make.

00:01:39.000 And so they were dominating for a while, but now I think things have shifted because you've got all these rules about what you can and can't joke about.

00:01:45.000 And the people who are willing to make jokes that kind of like sidestep those rules, they're, you know, they're meeting a demand.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, the meme space though has always been very right-wing in a lot of ways because it's like the thing to make fun of because since the media has been so dominated by the left whenever there's like a narrative that just gets pushed with like that Sort of ignores logic and ignores reality.

00:02:14.000 There's a thing that happens where someone goes, yeah, but what about this?

00:02:18.000 And that has been the meme space.

00:02:21.000 Memes have always been very funny.

00:02:23.000 Some of the really funny Trump memes and some of the very funny anti-Biden memes and COVID memes, they were kind of on that vein.

00:02:32.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 Well, you know, yeah, when you've got a narrative that's being advanced and it's being pushed on everybody, you know, like, I don't know.

00:02:41.000 My personal take on it is that a comedian's job is to, like, poke holes in it, you know?

00:02:46.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 Try to, like, find its weak spots.

00:02:48.000 Try to find, like, the hypocrisy.

00:02:50.000 Try to expose whatever absurdity is there.

00:02:51.000 Like, the narrative, you can't just buy the narrative as it is.

00:02:55.000 You've got to challenge it some way.

00:02:56.000 Comedy is a great way to do that.

00:02:58.000 So, I don't know, I think comedy that challenges the narrative is key, and it's like, that's what people are gonna find funny, because it's like, you're trying to hold people in positions of power accountable.

00:03:07.000 That is punching up, right?

00:03:09.000 That's what comedy's supposed to do, we're told, allegedly.

00:03:11.000 Comedy's supposed to be funny.

00:03:12.000 This whole punching up, you know, when people, cheers, by the way.

00:03:15.000 Cheers, salute.

00:03:16.000 Cheers, dude.

00:03:17.000 My favorite far-right extremist.

00:03:20.000 Who's never voted Republican.

00:03:27.000 It's like this whole idea of punching up or punching down.

00:03:30.000 Things are just supposed to be funny.

00:03:32.000 One of the best bits of all time is Sam Kennison's bit about starving people in Africa.

00:03:37.000 And it's the most punching down bit in the history of comedy.

00:03:41.000 He's literally talking about starving children.

00:03:44.000 About him sitting at home, you know, trying to enjoy his dinner, and Sally Fields is on TV asking him to donate money to starving kids.

00:03:51.000 And he's like, why don't you?

00:03:52.000 You're right there.

00:03:53.000 Right.

00:03:53.000 You know, like, it's the whole bit.

00:03:55.000 Why don't you send someone like me who says, hey, we just came 5,000 miles with your food.

00:04:00.000 It occurred to us that there wouldn't be world hunger if you people would live where the food is.

00:04:03.000 I love it.

00:04:04.000 It's so good. 1.00

00:04:05.000 You live in a fucking desert! 1.00

00:04:06.000 Right. 1.00

00:04:06.000 I mean, it's a great bit, and it's totally punching down. 1.00

00:04:10.000 Well, I mean, so when I said that, when I said, you know, we're supposed to be punching up, I'm saying that's what they say.

00:04:16.000 I'm not saying I agree with that.

00:04:17.000 They don't even say that, though.

00:04:18.000 Comics don't even say that.

00:04:19.000 No, comics don't say that.

00:04:21.000 A few of them.

00:04:22.000 The people who are critical of us say that, you know, because that's, I mean, that's the reason we're in Twitter jail right now.

00:04:26.000 Supposedly, we punch down.

00:04:28.000 You know, like we made a joke about somebody who's in a marginalized or oppressed class, and it's considered hateful conduct.

00:04:33.000 Well, you called Rachel Levine the man of the year.

00:04:37.000 Did she win the man of the year?

00:04:40.000 That's like, what a rigged game.

00:04:43.000 Like when Caitlyn Jenner, she was a woman for six months, and she got woman of the year. 1.00

00:04:47.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:04:48.000 Imagine if you're a woman for 40 fucking years. 1.00

00:04:52.000 Dave Chappelle has an amazing joke about that. 0.99

00:04:55.000 But it's just, the whole thing is, these narratives that get pushed, they're...

00:05:02.000 They're bizarre in that they force compliance.

00:05:05.000 You can't have a nuanced perspective.

00:05:08.000 You can't look at it. 0.99

00:05:11.000 If you can't make fun of this idea that someone could be a woman for six months and then win Women of the Year, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:05:21.000 You have to be able to make fun. 0.93

00:05:22.000 So what happened was USA Today did a story about how Yeah.

00:05:42.000 And we did a joke about how Rachel Levine was our pick for Man of the Year.

00:05:45.000 Right.

00:05:46.000 And, you know, that was considered misgendering by Twitter's policy, which is hateful conduct under their policy.

00:05:51.000 And so unless you delete that, you guys are in Twitter jail.

00:05:53.000 Unless and until we click delete on that tweet, yeah, we're in Twitter jail.

00:05:56.000 And this is the problem.

00:05:58.000 It's like the delete button says, you know, you acknowledge that you engaged in hateful conduct when you click delete.

00:06:03.000 And the reason I refuse to click the button is because I don't agree that I engaged in it.

00:06:07.000 Well, first of all, I agree with you.

00:06:08.000 You know, going back to what you said a moment ago, like...

00:06:10.000 Comedy should be funny, right?

00:06:12.000 When we're sitting there trying to think of jokes, the thing that should be going through our head is, is this funny?

00:06:17.000 That's the question we should be asking ourselves.

00:06:19.000 Is this funny?

00:06:20.000 Not, is it targeted at somebody who views themselves as marginalized or oppressed and they're going to come after me and try to destroy my life and career?

00:06:27.000 Because if I'm trying to think in those terms, or if I'm thinking in the terms of...

00:06:32.000 I'm up here.

00:06:34.000 They're down here.

00:06:35.000 I shouldn't joke about those people.

00:06:37.000 They're beneath me.

00:06:39.000 That's so condescending to have that thought.

00:06:41.000 And if I was in a marginalized community, if I try to put myself in the shoes of somebody who's considered marginalized today, I wouldn't want anybody trying to protect me from jokes like I can't handle it, like my skin is too thin to handle a joke.

00:06:53.000 That's condescending, too.

00:06:54.000 But it's that thing where my friend Morgan Murphy has kicked off Twitter forever, too.

00:07:01.000 Because she got in some sort of a debate.

00:07:03.000 I think, I don't remember who it was about, but she was basically, she's a feminist and her problem was that transgender women are entering into these female spaces and sort of dominating them with these almost like male perspectives on female issues.

00:07:22.000 And it pisses her off.

00:07:24.000 She's like, we have to acknowledge that women are a real thing. 0.99

00:07:26.000 And then people were like, you know, but this is a real woman.

00:07:30.000 And she's like, a man is never a woman. 0.99

00:07:32.000 And she posted that on Twitter and they said, you know, this is hate speech. 0.71

00:07:37.000 This is your whatever you're doing.

00:07:40.000 You're misgendering.

00:07:42.000 And so they banned her for life forever.

00:07:45.000 For that, which is crazy. 1.00

00:07:47.000 The fucking Taliban is still on Twitter. 1.00

00:07:49.000 I know. 1.00

00:07:50.000 Well, there's so many things that you can say.

00:07:52.000 And this is where it's weird.

00:07:53.000 The content moderation conversation is a big conversation that needs to be had.

00:07:56.000 When you're talking about, like, what should these platforms be concerned with when they're talking about content moderation?

00:08:02.000 Right.

00:08:02.000 And, you know, in my mind, and when you think of, like, Section 230 and its provisions and language that's in there, and, you know, like, what they get immunity for when they're engaging in content moderation, it's like, what's in view there is, like, lewd and indecent content, you know, like, things that wouldn't be appropriate in the actual physical town square.

00:08:22.000 Death threats and things like that.

00:08:23.000 Stuff that's not even lawful speech.

00:08:25.000 I mean, obviously, there's a place for taking that kind of stuff down. 0.62

00:08:30.000 Terrible harassment where you're sending somebody to somebody's address and telling them to go kill that person.

00:08:34.000 I mean, there's obviously things that should be moderated.

00:08:36.000 But what you see is so much of that stays in place, especially if it's aimed at the targets that are acceptable to harass.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, if it's aimed at the right.

00:08:44.000 Yeah.

00:08:45.000 So much of that remains in place, but then opinions like, okay, you see a family-friendly drag show that kids are tipping these dancers and stuff like that, and you call that grooming behavior.

00:08:57.000 Now all of a sudden you're banned for that.

00:08:59.000 Now the family-friendly drag show isn't considered lewd and indecent. 0.86

00:09:02.000 That's not moderated.

00:09:03.000 It's the criticism of it that gets moderated.

00:09:06.000 That's a little wild.

00:09:08.000 But yeah, that's the forced conformity.

00:09:11.000 It's the forced affirmation.

00:09:12.000 This idea, why...

00:09:15.000 Twitter can have whatever policy they want for content moderation.

00:09:18.000 Delete my tweet if you don't like it.

00:09:19.000 Take it down.

00:09:20.000 They can delete it.

00:09:21.000 Why do I have to delete it and say that I acknowledge that I engage in hateful conduct?

00:09:26.000 Doesn't that go like a step beyond just content moderation or censorship?

00:09:29.000 I think their idea is that if you delete it, they're giving you the power to come back.

00:09:35.000 Like, just follow the rules and you can come back and they're giving you a doorway instead of just banning you forever.

00:09:41.000 They're saying, look, we have an option for you to come back.

00:09:44.000 I mean, but they could easily do that.

00:09:46.000 They could delete the tweet and say, just don't do it again.

00:09:49.000 Or they'd give me a warning and say, okay, we've deleted your tweet.

00:09:51.000 Why don't you guys just delete it?

00:09:51.000 It's already up.

00:09:52.000 You already said what you wanted to say. 1.00

00:09:55.000 And this way you could say more shit now. 1.00

00:09:58.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:09:59.000 I don't think we would last much.

00:10:00.000 I think it'd be only a matter of time before we had another one.

00:10:03.000 Or a permanent suspension or something like that.

00:10:06.000 Well, did you see what happened with Alex Berenson?

00:10:08.000 Yeah.

00:10:09.000 He got reinstated.

00:10:10.000 I know.

00:10:10.000 That's kind of a new...

00:10:11.000 He won in court.

00:10:11.000 That's a new precedent.

00:10:13.000 Yeah.

00:10:13.000 It's fascinating because he was correct.

00:10:15.000 Yeah.

00:10:15.000 And now when you look at the data...

00:10:18.000 Because basically what he was saying has all been proven in terms of studies and scientific, whatever data that has been accumulated over the course of the last two years.

00:10:32.000 We're good to go.

00:10:46.000 Which is one of the arguments that people on the right make that these are not private companies just engaging in regular – these are like – they become state actors when you have the government behind them saying, okay, it'd be unconstitutional for us to block this speech ourselves, but we can outsource it to this privately owned third party and they can do it.

00:11:03.000 They can't do that.

00:11:04.000 That's still considered government censorship.

00:11:06.000 That's where it becomes like a First Amendment issue beyond just saying these are private companies that can do whatever they want.

00:11:12.000 Right, like what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop thing.

00:11:15.000 That is an egregious assault on reality.

00:11:20.000 We deserve to have all the information at our disposal in terms of what is actually going on, what has been done, is there evidence of corruption?

00:11:31.000 And if there's evidence of corruption and it's censored by a company that is obviously not just in contact With the current administration and the previous Democratic Party.

00:11:44.000 But also, what they're doing is working with them.

00:11:48.000 They're doing their bidding.

00:11:50.000 And that's where it gets really weird, because it is so biased in one perspective.

00:11:56.000 Right.

00:11:56.000 And they're not just objectively disseminating information based on whether or not it's been proven to be true.

00:12:03.000 No, they're suppressing information that's true because it fucks with what their desired result was, get Trump out of office.

00:12:11.000 Right.

00:12:11.000 And that collusion between the government and these private companies, ultimately that's going to end up coming back to bite them because they're not going to be able to moderate.

00:12:17.000 There's going to be some kind of pushback on that.

00:12:18.000 There's going to be some kind of legal change or something.

00:12:20.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 But I mean like to answer more directly that question like why we haven't deleted that joke.

00:12:26.000 We haven't tweeted since March.

00:12:27.000 Right.

00:12:28.000 We have 1.5 million followers.

00:12:29.000 We can't reach on Twitter.

00:12:30.000 We haven't tweeted since March.

00:12:31.000 Why not just delete the joke?

00:12:32.000 Well, for one thing I said we wouldn't but I mean the main reason is because I don't believe...

00:12:38.000 That the truth is hate speech.

00:12:40.000 I don't want to play along with this game that like, you know, they bake.

00:12:43.000 If you go to the hateful conduct policy on Twitter's website, you pull up the hateful conduct policy, it starts out with like this ringing tribute to free expression, right?

00:12:51.000 They say that Twitter is supposed to be a platform for free expression without barriers.

00:12:56.000 Those are exact words.

00:12:56.000 They say without barriers.

00:12:57.000 And then you like scroll down in the hateful conduct policy and it's talking about like misgendering and dead naming and all these things.

00:13:04.000 The deadnaming one's wild.

00:13:05.000 It's wild.

00:13:06.000 I mean, you've got to go back and rewrite history.

00:13:08.000 Bruce Jenner won the Olympics.

00:13:09.000 Like, if you say Bruce Jenner, that's deadnaming.

00:13:12.000 Well, now, if you go to the Wikipedia page about that, it probably says Caitlyn, right?

00:13:15.000 It says Caitlyn won it.

00:13:16.000 You've got to go back and rewrite that.

00:13:17.000 But I just don't want to go along with a system where, you know, we're...

00:13:21.000 They say on what they offer you as a platform for free expression.

00:13:26.000 But then in reality, and it's supposed to be without barriers, but then in reality, they have these ideological terms that you have to agree to.

00:13:33.000 And so they're making it, especially from like a comedian's perspective, you know, when I talk about like poking holes in the popular narrative, they're rigging the system so you can only affirm the narrative.

00:13:42.000 You have to affirm it.

00:13:43.000 Like we try to poke, we try to speak a truth there.

00:13:45.000 We try to basically say, hey, look, this is a male person.

00:13:48.000 And if you consult your dictionary today, it might change tomorrow.

00:13:51.000 But if you consult your dictionary today, a man is an adult human male.

00:13:55.000 This joke has a grain of truth to it, and you're not allowed to say that on Twitter?

00:14:00.000 So I don't know.

00:14:01.000 I feel like it's a protest.

00:14:03.000 It's like, look, I think you should be able to say that two and two make four, and you shouldn't fake into your terms that two and two make five, and you have to say that, or else you can't tweet on this platform.

00:14:11.000 It's like, I don't want to be on a platform like that.

00:14:12.000 I'd rather stand up and say, you know, look, we're not going along with that.

00:14:16.000 And did you guys have the same post on Instagram?

00:14:21.000 We did, yeah.

00:14:22.000 Didn't hit us on Instagram.

00:14:24.000 Interesting.

00:14:25.000 And Facebook?

00:14:28.000 Yeah, we didn't get hit on Facebook for that one either.

00:14:30.000 It's just Twitter.

00:14:31.000 So is Twitter the worst with that stuff then?

00:14:35.000 No.

00:14:36.000 Twitter's the one that's forcing us to delete something ourselves. 0.97

00:14:40.000 I mean, like, Instagram is, you know, Instagram, Facebook, we've had plenty of issues with them with, like, getting flagged for, like, inciting violence with a stupid joke or misinformation. 0.85

00:14:49.000 What did you incite violence with? 0.95

00:14:50.000 What was the joke?

00:14:52.000 We did a joke about how during Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation hearings, we did a Monty Python joke about how she was being compared to a duck to determine whether or not she was a witch.

00:15:03.000 And then the caption said, like, we must burn her. 0.96

00:15:07.000 And that was like, we said we must burn her.

00:15:09.000 So like the automated system flagged that as like a threat.

00:15:13.000 And then we appealed it and somebody manually reviewed it and upheld the ruling that it was incitement to violence.

00:15:18.000 We're like, this is a Monty Python joke.

00:15:20.000 This is crazy.

00:15:21.000 But we've had that stuff happen on all those.

00:15:23.000 It happens everywhere.

00:15:24.000 It's just Twitter is the one that's like going a step beyond and saying you have to acknowledge you did something wrong and delete this and that's where it's like a little bit different.

00:15:31.000 I think you guys getting banned from Twitter was one of the influences that led Elon to want to purchase Twitter.

00:15:40.000 He hasn't talked about it publicly, but I know he had a real issue with it.

00:15:43.000 I mean, I think it's one of them, yeah.

00:15:46.000 I mean, I wouldn't say, and I've never taken credit for it, like, oh, we are the reason that Musk...

00:15:50.000 Because some people have said that, you know, like, oh, he did this to save the Babylon Bee.

00:15:53.000 I don't think Elon Musk is putting tens of billions of dollars on the line to try to save the Babylon Bee.

00:15:58.000 But I think he's genuinely concerned about speech.

00:16:01.000 You know, he's called Twitter the de facto town square.

00:16:03.000 I think he's right.

00:16:04.000 I mean, I think these platforms are the town square.

00:16:06.000 And if free speech doesn't exist in the town square, then...

00:16:09.000 Something's got to be done about that.

00:16:11.000 So, I don't know.

00:16:13.000 I think that it factored in.

00:16:15.000 It's one of those things.

00:16:16.000 It's like, okay, the Babylon Bee can't even make jokes on this platform.

00:16:19.000 Like, this is not a free speech platform.

00:16:21.000 Well, it's not as simple as a private company anymore.

00:16:24.000 It used to be it's a private company.

00:16:26.000 They have their own rules.

00:16:26.000 But when it's the number one platform for distributing information by average citizens, which is what it is, it's a little bigger than that.

00:16:35.000 And I don't know what the response to that is.

00:16:37.000 I don't think the response to that is, let's get the government involved and regulate it.

00:16:41.000 But I think there's a responsibility that they have, and this is what Elon believes, that they have a responsibility to...

00:16:50.000 He's a free speech absolutist.

00:16:52.000 He said, if this is what you guys are, because it is what they are, they are the town square, you have a responsibility to allow everyone to communicate.

00:17:03.000 Otherwise, you create this divisive...

00:17:06.000 Environment where it just divides the country even further without the ability to discuss things like Without the ability for people to criticize that post that you guys made about Rachel Levine or Laugh about it or make other memes or all these different things without that ability Then you're gonna get more people angry more people to feel isolated disenfranchised and it creates A problem that we already have,

00:17:32.000 it accelerates.

00:17:33.000 It throws gasoline on a problem we already have.

00:17:36.000 And that problem is this country is divided in a lot of ways.

00:17:39.000 And it's divided in a lot of ways because of the narratives that the media pushes, the fact that the vast majority of mainstream news and media is leaning to the left, and the ones that are on the right It's like, what do they have?

00:17:53.000 They had OAN News and Newsmax, and they're just not that effective. 0.77

00:17:57.000 They're just too goofy. 0.79

00:17:59.000 And so they were too easily criticized. 0.99

00:18:02.000 They're goofy. 0.91

00:18:02.000 The people that were on there were not the best representations. 0.91

00:18:07.000 We're not talking about Ben Shapiro.

00:18:09.000 We're not talking about intelligent right-wing pundits.

00:18:13.000 Matt Walsh, these guys who are intelligent right-wing pundits and influencers.

00:18:19.000 That's not what it was. 0.96

00:18:20.000 These guys were goofy. 0.94

00:18:22.000 And, you know, it's easy to criticize. 0.97

00:18:25.000 It's easy to say, oh, we need to shut that down.

00:18:29.000 That's the worst thing you can do for everybody.

00:18:31.000 The worst thing you do for everybody is to make an echo chamber.

00:18:35.000 And that's essentially what their policies are doing.

00:18:39.000 Well, and you end up with echo chambers on both sides.

00:18:41.000 Because you have the people who leave and go to, like, another platform...

00:18:46.000 They're just talking amongst themselves because nobody left of center came with them.

00:18:51.000 They're not interested in a free speech platform where conservatives can speak freely and give their opinions and say the word groomer.

00:18:58.000 They don't want to be on a platform where that's allowed.

00:19:00.000 Now, if they ban groomer?

00:19:01.000 Yeah, they banned it.

00:19:02.000 Who's banned it?

00:19:04.000 All the all the big tech companies in concert all at the same time it started I think it started on reddit so like reddit stopped allowing you to say call this behavior grooming and the other ones kind of didn't we discuss this Jamie was it it's not is it in certain rooms they did they've banned the term groomer because what about Heterosexual groomers what about men who go after like really young girls and befriend them and groom them because that's real yeah,

00:19:30.000 that's real and it's always been disgusting well, it's all real but I mean the The term itself is now designated a slur.

00:19:37.000 How is that possible?

00:19:38.000 I just don't understand why you would throw the baby out with the bathwater.

00:19:42.000 The band OK Groomer Guy, James...

00:19:44.000 Oh, that's James Lindsay.

00:19:45.000 Twitter has a ban on calling transgender people groomers.

00:19:48.000 Oh.

00:19:49.000 But what about groomers that are transgender? 0.69

00:19:52.000 What if they're real?

00:19:53.000 I mean, there are people that groom people.

00:19:56.000 That's a thing.

00:19:57.000 Well, okay, so if we're talking about like a family-friendly drag show, right?

00:20:01.000 How is that possible?

00:20:02.000 How do those terms even work together?

00:20:05.000 You know, it's a family friendly porn theater. 0.91

00:20:08.000 But it's not a transgender person that's performing. 0.98

00:20:10.000 It's usually like a drag queen is typically a gay man who's dressed as a woman. 0.92

00:20:15.000 He's not necessarily transgender.

00:20:17.000 He doesn't identify as a woman.

00:20:18.000 He's just that's the show is to dress like a woman. 0.99

00:20:20.000 Right.

00:20:20.000 That's what drag is.

00:20:21.000 It's not it's not transgender. 0.99

00:20:23.000 Yeah, but sometimes they are.

00:20:25.000 Sometimes they do consider themselves.

00:20:27.000 Sometimes they do.

00:20:27.000 But how would you know?

00:20:28.000 If you're just watching this on Twitter and you see it and you say, I think that's grooming, you're not necessarily targeting a transgender person.

00:20:34.000 You don't even know if they're transgender.

00:20:36.000 For all you know, it's a straight man who's been hired to do this drag performance.

00:20:41.000 You don't know.

00:20:42.000 But it seems like a piece of duct tape over a leaky dam to say that you have to ban the word groomer.

00:20:49.000 It seems so crazy.

00:20:51.000 I just can't, because that term, to not ever use that term for trans people, but what about a trans person that is engaging in grooming behavior? 0.98

00:21:03.000 Right.

00:21:04.000 Look, I'm sure that the vast majority of trans people do not support pedophilia, right?

00:21:10.000 So if someone is a pedophile but also trans, wouldn't it behoove them, wouldn't it help their cause to say, like, this is not good, this is bad, this is not what we want.

00:21:22.000 We don't want people like this connected with us. 0.95

00:21:25.000 Yeah, you'd think so.

00:21:26.000 Yeah, you would think so.

00:21:28.000 I don't know.

00:21:28.000 I mean, as far as, like, taking it to the point where you ban this language, it's not the answer.

00:21:33.000 I think the answer is, okay, look, you know, if there's a huge swath of the population who has a problem with this behavior, and look, I can speak for myself.

00:21:41.000 I can tell you why I think, when I use the word groomer, if I use it in a tweet, I'm referring to behavior, okay?

00:21:49.000 I'm like, it's a criticism about somebody's behavior around kids, right?

00:21:53.000 It has nothing to do with that person's identity or who they sleep with or the color of their skin.

00:21:59.000 It's not targeted at a person for their identity.

00:22:02.000 And we conflate these things.

00:22:05.000 I think so much with the left's kind of heavy-handed censorship, they do a lot of this conflating where they take criticism of behaviors and treat it as criticism of identities and people.

00:22:17.000 Right.

00:22:17.000 It's not the same thing.

00:22:19.000 And you have to be allowed to criticize behavior because there genuinely is, like you said, real bad behavior that actually harms people and we're not allowed to talk about it.

00:22:27.000 Well, that's the problem also when they have this sort of blanket free pass for people who are trans where you're finding people that are... 0.99

00:22:37.000 Sexual abusers with a long history of being sexual abusers, like people that have literally been incarcerated for various sexual offenses, sexual assault, and these people are going into women's locker rooms and saying that they're trans now and pulling their dicks out. 0.99

00:22:58.000 And, you know, there are a lot of people that just genuinely are transgender people that would like to use a woman's locker room. 1.00

00:23:04.000 But there's also people that are, they're sick. 0.99

00:23:08.000 There's something wrong with them. 0.95

00:23:10.000 And these people do harass women and sexually assault women, and you're giving them access to women in a very vulnerable place where there's no protection for them at all.

00:23:20.000 And that was, you know, that LA case where the massage was the massage place?

00:23:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, that was the case.

00:23:27.000 That person had a history.

00:23:29.000 Pull up that story.

00:23:32.000 They were just exposing themselves, right?

00:23:34.000 Yes.

00:23:35.000 I think there was a mother in there with like a teenage daughter. 1.00

00:23:37.000 Exactly.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, and it was in LA, right?

00:23:39.000 Yes.

00:23:40.000 Was it Envy massage, Paul, or is that what it's called?

00:23:43.000 But that person who did it had a record.

00:23:48.000 I mean, it was pretty clear that this person had already engaged in some seriously problematic behavior.

00:23:56.000 Right.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, but even if they haven't in a context like that, where you've got, like, a biologically male person in a women's space like that, and a mother's in there with her child, it's like, you know, regardless of how that person identifies, it's not an attack on them to say, hey, look, you know, like,

00:24:11.000 I don't want my daughter seeing a naked man's body in the locker room. 0.85

00:24:15.000 And so that's, you know...

00:24:17.000 It's a tough conversation.

00:24:19.000 When you're talking about, like, that person may not be an offender of some kind.

00:24:22.000 They may not be trying to put anyone in an uncomfortable situation.

00:24:25.000 But, you know, you still have the concerns.

00:24:28.000 It's the same thing, like, with sports, too.

00:24:30.000 Well, some people might not be, but some people definitely are.

00:24:34.000 And some people have a history of it.

00:24:35.000 Indecent exposure charges filed against trans women over LA spy incident.

00:24:40.000 Okay, so now this is 2021, but the person did something in the past.

00:24:48.000 They have a history of this.

00:24:50.000 See if we can find that.

00:24:54.000 This person, I'm 99% sure.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:24:56.000 Police said she has a criminal history.

00:24:58.000 Yeah, she's a registered sex offender. 0.98

00:25:01.000 Okay, Marager has been a registered sex offender since 2006. So that's 16 fucking years of being a registered sex offender as a result of convictions for indecent exposure in 2002 and 2003. So 20 fucking years. 0.98

00:25:20.000 This is crazy because you're giving someone who is a sex offender access to women where they can do the exact same thing where they were arrested for and now they're celebrated and you're going to have people protest for them. 1.00

00:25:36.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.88

00:25:39.000 Waiting trial on seven counts of indecent exposure that were first filed in 2019, according to court records. 0.99

00:25:45.000 After the video alleging someone exposed himself went viral, the spa became the target of right-wing demonstrations.

00:25:51.000 Well, I bet a lot of those people weren't right-wing. 0.99

00:25:53.000 They're probably just fucking parents, which many chided as transphobic. 1.00

00:25:57.000 Many did. 1.00

00:25:58.000 Oh, you got sources?

00:26:00.000 Many.

00:26:00.000 Look how they write these things.

00:26:01.000 What is this?

00:26:02.000 LA Times. 1.00

00:26:03.000 Fucking of course. 1.00

00:26:10.000 See what they're doing here? 1.00

00:26:13.000 They're shitting the punch bowl by saying transphobic, extremist groups, Proud Boys. 0.78

00:26:19.000 They're connecting them all together. 0.98

00:26:21.000 Yep. 0.97

00:26:23.000 The recording which surfaced in late June showed an irate customer arguing with employees after she said she had seen a customer with a penis in an area that's reserved for women. 0.85

00:26:34.000 The Wilshire Boulevard facility has some gender separated areas with changing rooms and jacuzzis.

00:26:39.000 Now, what they'll try to do, and this is the thing, it all goes back to this punching down conversation with comedy.

00:26:45.000 It's like, we can't joke about this situation.

00:26:47.000 You can't joke about it because it'll be perceived as the target of the joke is a marginalized person.

00:26:54.000 Right.

00:26:55.000 In truth.

00:26:56.000 And this is the truth.

00:26:57.000 This is the reality.

00:26:58.000 And we all need to start recognizing it.

00:27:00.000 The people that you're not allowed to joke about or else you lose your career, you get canceled, you get banned from the public square.

00:27:05.000 Those people have tremendous amounts of power.

00:27:08.000 They have tremendous...

00:27:09.000 It's scary power, honestly.

00:27:10.000 If you can't even joke about somebody or you get penalized and punished and you could potentially lose your job, then who's marginalized?

00:27:17.000 Who's oppressed?

00:27:18.000 Like, who's on the outside there?

00:27:21.000 Who's having to, like...

00:27:23.000 Right.

00:27:25.000 Right.

00:27:26.000 Right.

00:27:45.000 I think we're in the middle of the fog of war.

00:27:48.000 It's like a fog of war in this culture war and there's so much chaos going on and so many people are trying to score a victory for their perspective and their ideology that they're missing the big picture on this.

00:28:03.000 That free speech and freedom of speech and free expression have always been very important for sorting out what's right and what's wrong.

00:28:10.000 And it's not good for anybody when you silence that.

00:28:13.000 If someone makes a joke on Twitter, like if you guys did something that was truly offensive, you would lose audience members.

00:28:20.000 Some people who supported you would not support you anymore.

00:28:24.000 Happens with every joke.

00:28:25.000 But that's supposed to be the free market.

00:28:28.000 Right.

00:28:28.000 That's supposed to be the free market of ideas.

00:28:30.000 Like if your ideas suck, people go, oh, I don't like them.

00:28:34.000 And they can mute you too, by the way. 0.98

00:28:36.000 If we put out jokes that you don't like and they're offending you, you can block me.

00:28:41.000 You can mute me.

00:28:42.000 The platforms have given you the power to decide who you listen to.

00:28:46.000 Why do you have to de-platform me and take me down?

00:28:48.000 They'll say that you're encouraging harassment.

00:28:50.000 And so it's not just you.

00:28:53.000 This is the escape clause, right?

00:28:55.000 Not just you, but by doing what you're doing, you're encouraging others to attack, which is crazy.

00:29:01.000 Right.

00:29:02.000 It's considered harmful.

00:29:03.000 Well, I would take issue with that idea, too.

00:29:06.000 I would say that, you know, so much of like this effort, I think a lot of what these policies come down to is safety.

00:29:15.000 You know, you're saying it would be harassment.

00:29:16.000 It would be intimidation.

00:29:17.000 It would be a call to violence or people could perceive it as a call to violence.

00:29:20.000 And these are, you know, these people might get attacked.

00:29:22.000 They might face some kind of, you know.

00:29:25.000 Right.

00:29:49.000 Build character in a person.

00:29:51.000 We have all of these methods in place now to insulate people and keep them safe from ideas that might hurt them or jokes that might offend them.

00:29:59.000 Is that really better for people?

00:30:01.000 There was an interesting study that was done.

00:30:03.000 Well, let me push back on that because the problem with the transgender thing is, this is the elephant in the room, is that It's easy to make fun of a very obvious male that wants to be a woman. 0.57

00:30:16.000 If you attack them, or I shouldn't say attack, if you mock them and belittle them, there's nothing they can do that turns them into the physical form of a female.

00:30:30.000 If Rachel Levine was attacked in jokes, or someone criticized her or mocked her in jokes, It's not like fat shaming, right?

00:30:41.000 There's an argument like fat shaming, like the reason why you're upset is because you've eaten yourself into this position.

00:30:47.000 This is your own doing, and you can actually not eat yourself out of it.

00:30:52.000 You can exercise your way out of it, and many, many, many people have done that, where they've actually become smaller again.

00:30:57.000 It's almost the same argument you would say about people who are handicapped.

00:31:01.000 Like, if you mock a handicapped person, they're not going to go, you know what, I shouldn't be handicapped anymore.

00:31:06.000 This criticism is really getting me to the point where I'm going to be mobile.

00:31:09.000 They can't do anything about it, right?

00:31:11.000 So she can't necessarily do anything about her physical appearance, and, you know, that's the argument.

00:31:21.000 But it's a slippery slope.

00:31:23.000 I'm just speaking in general terms about this idea that, like, Doing everything that you can in your power to moderate speech to keep people safe from ideas or jokes that might hurt them is not necessarily helping them.

00:31:36.000 In fact, I think it can be harmful.

00:31:38.000 I was going to mention a study that was done by this nonprofit group in New York.

00:31:43.000 And they were taking a look at the playgrounds in New York.

00:31:46.000 And they were studying like whether or not they were trying to answer the question whether or not the playgrounds have been made too safe.

00:31:51.000 And they actually determined that they had.

00:31:53.000 It was this weird thing, like, all these playgrounds had been, like, redone so that they had really cushy, soft flooring, and you couldn't really fall from any heights or get hurt on these playgrounds.

00:32:04.000 And what they found was that it was actually teaching kids that, like, falling on the ground doesn't hurt you.

00:32:08.000 And, like, that doesn't help kids.

00:32:10.000 You know, they learn on the playground that they don't get hurt when they fall, and then they go climb a tree over a sidewalk and fall, and it does hurt, and it shocks them, and they're learning the hard way.

00:32:17.000 You know, now they've got a broken arm.

00:32:20.000 I think that some of the efforts, it's one of these things that's just like a self-defeating thing.

00:32:24.000 You know, you try to create a safe space, a safe environment.

00:32:27.000 In some cases, I think you actually do more harm because you're protecting people from what?

00:32:32.000 You know, like I said before, I mean, like being the target of a joke, like...

00:32:36.000 I don't know.

00:32:37.000 I don't want anybody telling me that, like, oh, you can't joke about me because you might hurt me.

00:32:41.000 Like, I think that's offensive.

00:32:42.000 That's more offensive than any joke you could tell to my face.

00:32:45.000 Well, the other argument in your case with the Rachel Levine thing is that we're being forced to say something that some people don't agree with.

00:32:56.000 This is not like they're forcing this opinion as fact.

00:33:01.000 And there's a narrative that a transgender person is a woman.

00:33:06.000 And a lot of people support that, but a lot of people don't support that.

00:33:10.000 So there's a debate.

00:33:11.000 There should be a debate.

00:33:12.000 There's not a debate.

00:33:13.000 You can't have a debate.

00:33:14.000 And if you want to say that that's the woman of the year, well then it accelerates the debate.

00:33:19.000 Because you're not, you're like, you're kinging your checker piece, you know?

00:33:24.000 Right.

00:33:24.000 You're doing something where you're not just saying that this is...

00:33:30.000 A woman.

00:33:30.000 But this is the best woman we have.

00:33:33.000 Right.

00:33:33.000 Which is kind of wild.

00:33:34.000 That is kind of wild.

00:33:35.000 That a male that becomes a female or becomes a woman is the best woman we have.

00:33:41.000 Right.

00:33:41.000 How offensive is that to women?

00:33:43.000 It's almost like you better not criticize.

00:33:46.000 We're going to go even further and further and further.

00:33:49.000 And we're going to take this to this crazy place where these are the best women we have. 0.99

00:33:53.000 There's just such a tremendous distinction and difference between somebody going on Twitter and tweeting something like, all trans people should die. 0.96

00:34:02.000 Someone's going to take that clip out of context, by the way, and say that I said that. 0.98

00:34:05.000 I'm sure they are.

00:34:05.000 But if somebody went on Twitter and said that, I think that's wrong.

00:34:09.000 You shouldn't say that.

00:34:10.000 Of course.

00:34:10.000 You shouldn't say that about everybody.

00:34:12.000 Right.

00:34:12.000 Every single group.

00:34:13.000 But if you target some group out and say these people deserve to die, they should be put in gas chambers or something like that, right? 0.99

00:34:18.000 That's horrible. 0.88

00:34:18.000 But if you make a joke, a motorcyclist identifies as bicyclist and sets world record. 0.88

00:34:24.000 Right.

00:34:25.000 You know?

00:34:25.000 You're making a joke to make a point.

00:34:27.000 It's a funny joke.

00:34:28.000 It's a funny joke.

00:34:29.000 It went viral.

00:34:30.000 It got shared millions of times.

00:34:31.000 And we're criticized for being, like, antagonistic towards these communities by making jokes like that.

00:34:37.000 And it's not the same thing as saying, like, it's not okay to be trans.

00:34:41.000 What it's saying is...

00:34:44.000 It's not fair to the bicyclists to have a motorcyclist competing against them.

00:34:49.000 Yes.

00:34:49.000 And so what you're doing is...

00:34:50.000 Are you comparing that to transgender athletes versus biological females?

00:34:54.000 Exactly.

00:34:54.000 Which most people do.

00:34:55.000 Which is a valid point.

00:34:56.000 Most logical people.

00:34:57.000 It's a valid point that's not rooted in hate.

00:34:58.000 Right.

00:34:59.000 At all.

00:34:59.000 In fact, it's rooted in concern and compassion.

00:35:01.000 When you try to say that this is a hateful position, I turn it around and I say, well, look, what about women? 1.00

00:35:07.000 Who's showing compassion and concern?

00:35:09.000 Who's trying to protect women and keep their sports their sports? 1.00

00:35:13.000 Well, not only that, what is the percentage of people that are upsetting the far larger percentage that are biological females that are competing against this person to protect one person's feelings by affirming them as a woman?

00:35:27.000 You're making all these other people victims of unfair athletic events, because that's what it is.

00:35:33.000 Somebody just sent me this study.

00:35:35.000 They've done studies on the performance of various people, whether it's trans people or not.

00:35:44.000 Someone just sent me this.

00:35:45.000 I'm going to send it to you, Jamie.

00:35:48.000 There's clearly some kind of advantage for some sports.

00:35:52.000 And to say that any differently after you see what happens with Leah Thomas or Whoever the bicycle is and some other athletes that have started to dominate in those spaces.

00:36:05.000 It freaks biological females out. 1.00

00:36:07.000 Because if you're a male and you've had testosterone pumping through your body most of your life, all of your life, until like a couple of years ago, and then you transition, that's not the same as being someone who's never gone through puberty.

00:36:21.000 It's not.

00:36:22.000 And that's why the swimming organization changed the threshold for transgender athletes, people that have not transitioned after 13 or 12. So avoiding males going through puberty, where it would give the minimal amount of biological advantage. 0.75

00:36:38.000 When people talk about outliers, they always want to talk about outliers.

00:36:42.000 They always want to talk about someone who is like the elite of the elite of female athletes, the freak of the freaks. 0.99

00:36:49.000 There's a giant difference between the elite and the elite of females and the elite and the elite of males.

00:36:55.000 Like, if you're gonna do this thing where you're going to the far ends of the spectrum, you gotta go all the way. 0.98

00:37:00.000 Because I don't give a fuck what the elite of the elite female boxer is. 1.00

00:37:06.000 She will never be Mike Tyson. 0.98

00:37:08.000 Mike Tyson in his prime was the elite of males at the far end of masculine.

00:37:14.000 The elite of females at the far end of feminine. 0.74

00:37:17.000 We have to look at the full spectrum.

00:37:19.000 The elite of females, the full end, can't compete with non-elite males. 0.70

00:37:24.000 It's a giant difference.

00:37:25.000 And when you add in someone who's the elite of males, you get a chance to see the actual spectrum.

00:37:32.000 Didn't we have a boys team beat the US women's soccer team? 0.99

00:37:35.000 Yes!

00:37:35.000 Listen, you can take ten high school boys in this country That are competing in track and field, and they will be the greatest female athletes of all time.

00:37:47.000 These aren't Olympians.

00:37:48.000 These aren't world-class runners that are in the world championships.

00:37:51.000 These are just five to ten high school boys.

00:37:54.000 Right.

00:37:55.000 It's not fair, and that's all we're saying.

00:37:57.000 It doesn't mean that you're not a woman.

00:37:59.000 It doesn't mean I won't call you a her.

00:38:01.000 It doesn't mean I won't say whatever name you want, because I will. 1.00

00:38:03.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:38:04.000 I want you to be happy. 0.99

00:38:05.000 The crazy thing is when women... 1.00

00:38:06.000 If you say your name is no longer, it's Sethina now, and you want to be a woman and you really believe it, I'm like, okay, I don't give a fuck, dude. 0.99

00:38:12.000 Right. 0.99

00:38:14.000 I think it's crazy, though, when women defend it. 1.00

00:38:16.000 And I just saw a woman on Twitter the other day, she was saying, look, I'm 6'4 and 240 pounds.

00:38:22.000 I would destroy other women in rugby. 1.00

00:38:24.000 I guess she's, you know, in a country where rugby's popular. 0.97

00:38:27.000 She wouldn't destroy a 180-pound man.

00:38:29.000 No.

00:38:30.000 This is nonsense.

00:38:32.000 No, I think she was 6'2". 0.99

00:38:33.000 She's 6'2".

00:38:34.000 She's not 6'4".

00:38:35.000 6'2", 240. And saying that she would dominate these women, I'm like, well, okay. 0.96

00:38:40.000 I mean, anybody who has a size advantage in contact sports, whether it's men against men or women against women, you have a size advantage, that's an advantage.

00:38:48.000 It's literally what I just said.

00:38:49.000 It's the outlier.

00:38:50.000 Exactly.

00:38:50.000 It's the outlier.

00:38:51.000 And she's using herself as an example of that. 0.95

00:38:54.000 She's probably just humble bragging.

00:38:56.000 Yeah, I don't know how you use that as a justification for saying, well, therefore, it follows that we should allow men to come into women's sports and dominate them all, including the 6'2", 240 women.

00:39:07.000 They're making a rational argument.

00:39:09.000 They just haven't played it out to the end.

00:39:11.000 The rational argument is that there are outliers in female spaces. 1.00

00:39:15.000 There's outliers.

00:39:16.000 There's athletic outliers.

00:39:18.000 There's outliers in everything.

00:39:20.000 Intelligence, hand-eye coordination.

00:39:21.000 There's outliers.

00:39:22.000 But there's outliers in males that far exceed the outliers of females.

00:39:29.000 Kamala Harris just said, we all have the same capacity. 1.00

00:39:31.000 Did you see her say that?

00:39:32.000 We all have the same capacity.

00:39:33.000 We just haven't realized it because, you know, equity.

00:39:36.000 To anything she says, unless I'm mocking.

00:39:38.000 Was she talking about economics or was she talking about life success?

00:39:41.000 She was talking about, yeah, life success, opportunity.

00:39:44.000 You know, we don't all start on equal footing, but we all have the same capacity.

00:39:47.000 So if we put ourselves on equal footing, we'll all reach the same result.

00:39:50.000 It'll be equity.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, that doesn't work.

00:39:52.000 But what we should do is make it so that it's not so hard for people who live in disenfranchised communities.

00:39:58.000 That's a real concern that we're not addressing. 0.96

00:40:01.000 And I think if you wanted to really give people the best chance in life, don't give them a fucked up childhood.

00:40:06.000 Figure out a way to somehow or another revive communities and give them a sustainable future where you don't have a long history of gang violence and crime and drug sales and violence. 0.98

00:40:20.000 We cannot deny that it's a big difference growing up in the suburbs of, you know, fucking the Hamptons versus growing up in Baltimore. 0.98

00:40:30.000 It's a fucking giant difference. 0.97

00:40:31.000 It's a huge difference, but you don't level the playing field by, like, if someone can't see over the fence... 0.99

00:40:37.000 You don't level the playing field by cutting out the legs of the person who can, so that they both can't see.

00:40:42.000 Yes, yes.

00:40:43.000 You're talking about a funny meme.

00:40:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:46.000 It's a great meme.

00:40:46.000 It is a good meme.

00:40:47.000 But we can do the other thing and make...

00:40:51.000 This is what I always say about America. 0.98

00:40:53.000 Wouldn't it be better if we had less losers? 0.98

00:40:56.000 Right? 0.97

00:40:56.000 It'd be better for everybody. 0.97

00:40:57.000 Well, what's the best way to get less losers? 0.95

00:40:59.000 The best way to get less losers is to help people get the fuck out of where they're at. 0.99

00:41:04.000 And there's some people that just got a shit roll of the dice. 0.99

00:41:07.000 And a lot of conservative people don't want to recognize that. 0.97

00:41:09.000 They don't want to talk about that.

00:41:11.000 There's this narrative, this pull yourself up by your bootstraps. 1.00

00:41:14.000 There's people that don't have fucking shoes. 1.00

00:41:17.000 There's these people that they got a terrible roll of the dice and by the time they're working and integrated into a system, they're 18 years old or whatever they are, that's 18 years of a fucked life. 1.00

00:41:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:27.000 And that can be fixed. 0.99

00:41:29.000 That can be fixed just like we have enough money to send 40 billion dollars to Ukraine and 87,000 new IRS agents.

00:41:36.000 You know what else we have money for? 0.98

00:41:37.000 We have money to revitalize cities that are fucked. 0.98

00:41:41.000 And we've never done it. 0.99

00:41:42.000 We ignore it.

00:41:44.000 But should that be done by the government or privately?

00:41:45.000 And I would think that, you know, with a lot of conservatives who are often criticized for that mentality that, oh yeah, equality is just making sure everybody has the same opportunity.

00:41:56.000 Nobody needs a leg up.

00:41:58.000 These people should pull them up by their bootstraps. 1.00

00:42:00.000 I do think that people, generally speaking, Christian conservatives are very compassionate and do a lot of charity work.

00:42:09.000 Yes, they do.

00:42:10.000 A ton of charity work.

00:42:11.000 And so they're willing to put their own time volunteering and donating money towards causes that help with those things.

00:42:17.000 You know, you look at like crisis pregnancy centers, for example, which Elizabeth Warren wants to shut down for some reason. 0.99

00:42:23.000 I mean, these are helping women in need and she wants to shut them down.

00:42:26.000 These are people who are volunteering their time, their resources, their money to help people who are in a tough spot.

00:42:31.000 And it's completely charity.

00:42:33.000 It's kindness.

00:42:34.000 It's love and compassion.

00:42:36.000 But it's always painted with a brush of, oh yeah, you're on your own.

00:42:41.000 We only care about children before they're born, not after they're born.

00:42:44.000 But I do think, honestly, an argument can be made that conservative Christians are the most charitable people there are.

00:42:50.000 They're very charitable people.

00:42:51.000 I think the problem with someone like Elizabeth Warren's idea that you should shut down a place that has an ideology that millions and millions of people believe in, that life is sacred, and that this is somehow an assault on a woman's right to choose whatever her decision may be.

00:43:09.000 They're worried about other influencers.

00:43:12.000 They're worried about pressure.

00:43:13.000 You're not even allowing for choice.

00:43:14.000 If you shut down the alternative, what's the choice?

00:43:17.000 You're right.

00:43:19.000 I'm pretty absolute when it comes to that.

00:43:22.000 Not just free speech amongst every subject.

00:43:26.000 Not just amongst a woman's right to choose or abortion laws.

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:30.000 And this idea that you can't have someone who is a Christian who talks to another person who's a Christian and maybe they were on the fence about something and you convince them to have a child and it's the best decision they have ever made in their life and they love their kids so much they couldn't imagine they were thinking about getting an abortion.

00:43:48.000 That's real, too.

00:43:50.000 That's real, too. 1.00

00:43:52.000 There's also women who have been raped, who should not have to fucking carry some rapist baby. 1.00

00:43:57.000 There's women who have been sexually assaulted before the age of 14. Hold on, though. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Don't stop me.

00:44:05.000 That's real, too.

00:44:06.000 And we all have to agree.

00:44:08.000 We have to agree on both of those things.

00:44:10.000 There are also, though, I'm not going to argue with you on that point, but I will say there are people who have been born of rape and are alive right now and are pro-life.

00:44:19.000 And they go around speaking, talking about how I had a right to live.

00:44:23.000 And they will go out there and make an argument, a pro-life case.

00:44:26.000 And they're born of a rape. 0.89

00:44:28.000 You don't have a right to tell a 14-year-old girl she has to carry a rapist baby. 0.98

00:44:32.000 I'm just saying that.

00:44:32.000 I'm just saying that's real, too.

00:44:33.000 Do you understand what you're saying?

00:44:34.000 Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

00:44:35.000 Do you understand what I'm saying? 0.95

00:44:36.000 Like, you don't have the right to tell my 14-year-old daughter she has to carry her rapist baby. 0.87

00:44:41.000 You understand that? 1.00

00:44:41.000 To look that woman in the eye who was the born of a rape. 1.00

00:44:44.000 Do you understand that? 0.92

00:44:45.000 That's a 14-year-old child.

00:44:46.000 I know. 0.91

00:44:47.000 If a 14-year-old child gets raped, you say that they have to carry that baby? 0.63

00:44:50.000 I don't think two wrongs make a right.

00:44:52.000 I don't think murder is an answer to...

00:44:54.000 I don't think murder fixes a rape.

00:44:57.000 What if we're talking about an abortion when the fetus, literally, it's like six weeks, four weeks, three days.

00:45:05.000 What if she just turned positive, just now?

00:45:07.000 Positive for pregnancy? 0.94

00:45:09.000 Well, I just disagree.

00:45:10.000 What if it just happened today?

00:45:11.000 You can, like, draw a line on when, like, once life has begun, I don't think you draw lines.

00:45:15.000 At the very moment.

00:45:15.000 Like, if you can, if someone came inside of someone, and they cracked the egg, and then, bam, they took plan B, you shouldn't do that.

00:45:24.000 Well, I mean, if it's preventing the pregnancy from occurring, that's different.

00:45:27.000 No, no, no.

00:45:27.000 It's an abortion.

00:45:28.000 That's what Plan B is.

00:45:29.000 It makes your body abort the conceived pregnancy. 0.93

00:45:32.000 That's what it does.

00:45:34.000 Is it?

00:45:35.000 I mean, I'm pretty sure.

00:45:36.000 Let's Google it.

00:45:37.000 I know that women used to do something similar. 1.00

00:45:40.000 They would take like a shit ton of birth control pills. 0.81

00:45:42.000 If it prevents the conception, it's different than if it's terminating. 0.75

00:45:45.000 No, no, it's terminating.

00:45:46.000 I'm 90% sure it's terminating.

00:45:48.000 I think it's after conception.

00:45:50.000 That's the whole idea of it.

00:45:51.000 That's why it's plan B. Plan A is don't get pregnant. 0.99

00:45:53.000 All I'm saying is it's real.

00:45:55.000 What you're saying is real, and those are tough situations.

00:45:57.000 It's also real that sometimes these babies are born, and they grow up to be real people with feelings.

00:46:04.000 They're alive, they're humans, and they're pro-life.

00:46:07.000 Can we click on that so I get the full sentence?

00:46:09.000 Because it seems like it keeps going.

00:46:11.000 Alright, here it is.

00:46:12.000 The morning after pill is a type of emergency birth control contraception. 0.64

00:46:17.000 Emergency contraception is used to prevent pregnancy for women who've had unprotected sex or whose birth control method has failed.

00:46:24.000 The morning after pill is intended for backup contraception only not as a primary method of birth control.

00:46:31.000 Morning after pills contain either levonogestral Or eulipristal acetate.

00:46:48.000 Levonorgestrol.

00:46:49.000 You want to try it?

00:46:50.000 Try that.

00:46:51.000 Try that word.

00:46:52.000 Levonorgestrol.

00:46:54.000 Levonorgestrol.

00:46:55.000 Is available over-the-counter without a prescription, but go to the part where we're reading in the synopsis.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:47:02.000 Right there.

00:47:03.000 Keep in mind, the morning after pill isn't the same as blah, blah, blah, also known as RU486 or the abortion pill.

00:47:09.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:47:10.000 Morning after pills do not end a pregnancy that has implanted.

00:47:12.000 They work primarily by delaying or preventing ovulation.

00:47:15.000 Yeah, we're talking about...

00:47:16.000 I was talking about the different thing then.

00:47:17.000 I was talking about RU486. This drug terminates an established pregnancy, one which the fertilized egg has attached to the uterine wall and has begun to develop.

00:47:26.000 Okay, so forget about Plan B. What about RU-486?

00:47:31.000 It's the same question.

00:47:32.000 The same question is if someone knows they're pregnant or if they test positive for pregnancy and they take a pill that can get rid of that like the day of.

00:47:40.000 You're against that.

00:47:43.000 I would say, I would lay it out like this.

00:47:45.000 I would say, it is wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human life.

00:47:49.000 Abortion intentionally kills an innocent human life.

00:47:52.000 Therefore, abortion is wrong. 0.98

00:47:53.000 And I don't think any of the examples of like, oh, well, how developed is it?

00:47:58.000 Can it think?

00:47:59.000 Is it conscious?

00:48:00.000 Can it dream?

00:48:00.000 Can it feel pain?

00:48:01.000 So for you, it's the moment of conception.

00:48:03.000 I think that if it's a human life, a distinct human life, then I think it's wrong to end its life.

00:48:09.000 So you think that once the conception happens, there's some sort of a miraculous event?

00:48:16.000 Like at the very moment?

00:48:18.000 Like you could literally get to the point where the sperm cracks the egg.

00:48:21.000 If you could scoop that egg out right there, would that be abortion? 1.00

00:48:25.000 Well, I mean, at some point you're gonna have to say there was a magic moment that happened because you believe that we eventually become valuable humans, right?

00:48:31.000 Well listen, where's the moment where you think the magic happens?

00:48:34.000 Let me tell you my perspective on this because I've said this multiple times, but it bears repeating.

00:48:38.000 I think abortion is a very human issue in that humans are, we're messy.

00:48:45.000 And it's a very messy issue.

00:48:47.000 It's complicated.

00:48:49.000 Bill Burr has a very good bit about it in his last comedy special.

00:48:52.000 Where he says, I agree with your right to choose, but it's also killing a baby.

00:48:55.000 Right.

00:48:55.000 You know, and it's a very well...

00:48:57.000 I like that bit.

00:48:58.000 It's a good bit.

00:48:59.000 It's fantastic.

00:48:59.000 He's talking about the oven, you know, baking something in the oven.

00:49:02.000 When you talk about, like, someone who's at six months or nine months, that gets crazy.

00:49:09.000 That's like you're literally killing a baby.

00:49:11.000 You're killing a baby that could exist outside the womb.

00:49:13.000 What if rape produced it and it's eight months old in the womb? 1.00

00:49:15.000 That's a good question.

00:49:17.000 That's also what makes it a very, very messy conversation.

00:49:21.000 It's tough.

00:49:21.000 You know, there was a story that came out recently that someone had said that this woman got in trouble for having an abortion because they got a hold of her Facebook messages.

00:49:33.000 And then my wife sent me the actual story.

00:49:36.000 The actual story was it was a late-term thing.

00:49:40.000 She was trying to poison the baby. 1.00

00:49:42.000 But the actual story is that she took medication online.

00:49:48.000 She had a miscarriage because of that medication.

00:49:51.000 She took stuff to kill her abortion. 1.00

00:49:54.000 To start the abortion, rather. 1.00

00:49:56.000 And then heard her mom buried the stillborn. 0.73

00:49:59.000 Investigators seeking a warrant said they later learned her mother had bought the oral medication online to end her daughter's pregnancy.

00:50:05.000 That information was gathered in part from...

00:50:07.000 But find out how far along she was.

00:50:11.000 Because I think she was far along.

00:50:13.000 And that's, you know, that's where it gets crazy.

00:50:17.000 23 weeks.

00:50:20.000 Perhaps as long as 29 weeks.

00:50:23.000 Wow.

00:50:24.000 Under Nebraska law, abortions are legal up to 20 weeks.

00:50:30.000 Yeah, she was past that threshold.

00:50:32.000 How many months is that?

00:50:34.000 Is that six months?

00:50:35.000 What's 29 weeks?

00:50:37.000 That's really long.

00:50:38.000 So that's where we're at.

00:50:40.000 That's that area we were talking about.

00:50:43.000 Where it's like, this is this weird place where it's like, okay, that's a baby.

00:50:50.000 This is not like a clump of cells.

00:50:52.000 That's an actual baby.

00:50:53.000 Right.

00:50:54.000 That's why it makes it such a crazy issue.

00:50:56.000 I mean, when you start talking about harmful misinformation, I mean, as you can tell, I'm pro-life.

00:51:00.000 Yes.

00:51:01.000 And like, so, you know, when we start talking about harmful misinformation and the types of things that are considered, like that I say or that we tweet or the jokes that we make that are considered harmful misinformation, I'm like, well, what about calling that baby a clump of cells?

00:51:13.000 I think that's harmful misinformation because then you're encouraging people to kill it like it's nothing when it's actually a human life.

00:51:19.000 It's a developing human life.

00:51:20.000 I think abortion is health care. 1.00

00:51:22.000 The way that rape is lovemaking, if we want to use rape as an example.

00:51:26.000 I think they're opposites, and these are euphemisms that we use.

00:51:32.000 You know, we use the word healthcare.

00:51:33.000 We're talking about a procedure that ends an innocent human life, and we're calling it healthcare?

00:51:38.000 That's like calling rape lovemaking.

00:51:41.000 And this is why it's such a human issue, because I see what you're saying. 0.91

00:51:45.000 And I think that if Christianity had been any other religion other than, you know, I mean, Christianity is the most mocked religion.

00:51:54.000 Like, we want to look at religions with respect and dignity, whether it's Islam or Hinduism.

00:52:01.000 We look at those with respect and dignity.

00:52:03.000 And even if they have practices that we don't agree with, we sort of give them this leeway that it's part of their religion.

00:52:10.000 Christianity is safe.

00:52:11.000 Christianity is the most openly, easily mocked of all religions.

00:52:15.000 It's the most derived. 0.83

00:52:17.000 For whatever reason...

00:52:19.000 Well, we tolerate a lot of it.

00:52:21.000 Plus, we also, you know, I think one of the things that was refreshing to me about the Babylon Bee before I got involved in the Bee when I saw it for the first time...

00:52:27.000 I liked the self-deprecating humor.

00:52:29.000 I liked the willingness to go after our own and make fun of ourselves.

00:52:34.000 That's important.

00:52:35.000 Because I think that's really healthy.

00:52:36.000 I think it's very healthy.

00:52:37.000 Look, if we were able to laugh at ourselves, we wouldn't have people breaking down crying on TikTok because one of their students used the wrong pronouns for them.

00:52:48.000 We're so sensitive.

00:52:49.000 We take ourselves so seriously.

00:52:51.000 We can't even laugh at ourselves anymore.

00:52:53.000 Isn't that kind of an audience capture thing?

00:52:55.000 We're running onto the stage and slapping comedians in the face when they tell jokes we don't like now.

00:52:59.000 That's a different story.

00:53:00.000 But I think with these people, the thing about if you go on TikTok or Twitter or any kind of social media, And you have a story like that, where it's really, you know, if you're a man with a beard and you have blue hair and you say you're a woman and your teacher calls you a man,

00:53:16.000 or your student rather calls you a man, and then you want to cry on TikTok, can't you see why that's kind of an issue?

00:53:23.000 And I know you're going to get a shit ton of support from people that say you're right and that's why people do it.

00:53:29.000 They do it because they know that there's like a lot of love with that narrative.

00:53:34.000 There's a lot of love if you say that.

00:53:35.000 So if you put that out there, you will get a lot of people supporting you.

00:53:38.000 But then you also get a lot of people attacking you.

00:53:41.000 Right.

00:53:41.000 And then they have to smear those attackers and these hateful people, hateful comments and transphobic comments online because a male with a beard and blue hair who thinks he's a woman because he decides he's a woman and is just fully biologically male and is in a class and a kid A little kid,

00:53:58.000 not me, who I would definitely call him a woman, whatever your name is, I'll call you whatever you want. 0.99

00:54:02.000 A fucking five-year-old doesn't understand this. 1.00

00:54:05.000 Especially if this five-year-old grows up in a Christian household. 1.00

00:54:08.000 Maybe they don't discuss these things.

00:54:10.000 But we don't respect our religion the way we respect other religions.

00:54:13.000 It's very interesting.

00:54:14.000 Because in this particular argument, and again, you and I are opposed in some ways about this, but I think what we agree with is that what you are trying to say is that all life is valuable.

00:54:25.000 All life is valuable.

00:54:27.000 The moment of conception is value.

00:54:29.000 It's all valuable, and it's so important that we be this loving Christian community.

00:54:35.000 I don't think you have to be a Christian to hold that view, by the way.

00:54:37.000 No, you don't.

00:54:37.000 There's plenty of pro-life atheists who would say, you know...

00:54:39.000 No, but I'm saying you guys, as Christians, that's how you think about it.

00:54:42.000 Right.

00:54:43.000 You guys, you follow your guidelines of your religion, and that's what's in your guidelines of your religion.

00:54:49.000 It's not like you're pushing it on other people, but this is what you're promoting, what's what you're saying.

00:54:53.000 Right.

00:54:53.000 And it's...

00:54:55.000 The only thing that's fucked is the right to choose. 0.99

00:54:58.000 That's the only thing that's fucked. 0.99

00:54:59.000 To force that onto a kid is, to me, it's chaos. 1.00

00:55:03.000 That's crazy.

00:55:04.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:55:05.000 But what you're saying other than that is, like, life is valuable.

00:55:09.000 Like, yes, and people have, almost were the victims of abortion, and they weren't.

00:55:14.000 They went on to become these amazing people, and we would have lost them.

00:55:18.000 Sometimes it's a failed abortion.

00:55:20.000 Like, there's people who've survived, like, a saline abortion, and they're damaged as a result of it, but they...

00:55:25.000 But they lived.

00:55:26.000 And now they're born.

00:55:28.000 They usually go on, ironically enough, to become pro-life activists.

00:55:33.000 Oh, well, that's crazy.

00:55:34.000 Yeah, that's wild.

00:55:36.000 But it makes sense.

00:55:37.000 I mean, if that's what made you, wouldn't you be a pro-life activist?

00:55:40.000 Probably would be.

00:55:41.000 Yeah, of course you would be.

00:55:42.000 It's crazy.

00:55:43.000 It's crazy how that works, right?

00:55:45.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:55:45.000 It's just, human beings are a weird fucking creature, you know, and this is one of the battlegrounds of the two ideologies. 0.97

00:55:55.000 This is where they get together, it's with abortion. 0.99

00:55:58.000 It's one of the most heated battlegrounds because the people that are pro-life have this In many ways, it's a loving view that all life is sacred.

00:56:11.000 Right?

00:56:11.000 The best way to look.

00:56:13.000 And then the people at the other end of it, see where this is going if you tell a woman what she can and can't do. 0.99

00:56:20.000 And tell a woman what her decision is. 0.76

00:56:22.000 If she decides that at two weeks it's not a fetus, it's not a baby, it's not a life, it's a clump of cells.

00:56:28.000 Like if she makes that decision and she wants to move on with her life, I don't think we should have the ability to tell someone what they can and can't do like that.

00:56:37.000 But again, when it gets to like where it's six months, it gets kind of crazy.

00:56:42.000 Right.

00:56:42.000 Like that's actually a baby.

00:56:44.000 And I appreciate that you distinguish the two because I would say, you know, when you talk about outliers in sports, for example, those outliers being used as examples to try to shove an argument through.

00:56:53.000 Right.

00:56:54.000 That's done with abortion all the time. 1.00

00:56:55.000 You use the example of the teenage girl who gets raped. 0.80

00:56:58.000 Right. 0.78

00:56:59.000 You know, like that.

00:56:59.000 I mean, that's tragic.

00:57:02.000 Genuinely tragic.

00:57:03.000 Awful.

00:57:03.000 Awful, terrible stuff.

00:57:05.000 Super small percentage of abortion.

00:57:07.000 I mean, most abortions are contraception. 0.93

00:57:10.000 It's like, you know, they're used as like late contraception.

00:57:13.000 It's I got pregnant.

00:57:14.000 I don't want a baby.

00:57:15.000 I'm getting rid of it.

00:57:16.000 Right.

00:57:17.000 That is the vast majority of abortions. 0.75

00:57:19.000 And so but yes, I do think, though, what's interesting about this topic, because, you know, you go back to like the harassment, intimidation, content moderation, free speech, all of that stuff.

00:57:28.000 You know, depending on where you land on this issue, you can say almost whatever you want.

00:57:31.000 After Roe v.

00:57:32.000 Wade was overturned, the kind of stuff that people are saying about the Supreme Court justices and how they should never know peace again and harassment and intimidation, all of that's perfectly acceptable.

00:57:42.000 All of that's perfectly acceptable.

00:57:44.000 All that's evil.

00:57:44.000 All that stuff is evil.

00:57:45.000 All that stuff is evil.

00:57:47.000 Showing up at their houses.

00:57:48.000 And essentially what they did was law is a complicated thing where you look at rulings and you go over decisions and you try to find out if it applies to what you're talking about right there.

00:58:04.000 I don't understand the argument.

00:58:06.000 Like, I would have to go deep, deep, deep into the argument.

00:58:09.000 But I think their position was that the way Roe v.

00:58:13.000 Wade was structured, it was not compliant with the law.

00:58:16.000 Is that correct?

00:58:17.000 Is that a good way to describe it?

00:58:18.000 I think so.

00:58:19.000 Yeah, they weren't saying.

00:58:20.000 I mean, it's a mischaracterization to say that they like banned abortion.

00:58:23.000 They didn't do that.

00:58:24.000 They basically just said, like, the states can determine this.

00:58:26.000 This is not like there's no there is no federal protection.

00:58:29.000 There was no constitutional right to it that's explicit in the Constitution that was inserted in there.

00:58:35.000 And so they're saying we're going to toss that out.

00:58:38.000 And put it back to – make your own abortion laws at the state level because this was imported into – imposed on the constitution, not derived from the constitution. 0.97

00:58:46.000 That's essentially – So for a conservative perspective, this would be a good thing because this would give people the ability to make their own decisions without having the federal government dictate something.

00:58:56.000 Right.

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:58.000 And move to a state, you know, that has, you know, this way it's like not federally mandated.

00:59:01.000 You can live in a state that's pro-life, you can live in a state that's pro-choice, you know, like you can make your own.

00:59:05.000 That gives you more leeway, too, to decide where you want to live.

00:59:08.000 But the problem people have with that is if they're stuck in a state where it used to be legal, and now all of a sudden it's not, and there's no federal protection for it, so they can't get it.

00:59:18.000 And so then you have someone who's forced into keeping their baby.

00:59:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:59:23.000 And it's the same sort of argument that we were talking about before.

00:59:26.000 Like if you're a young person, if you're a 20, you're 40, whatever.

00:59:31.000 If it's your body and it's your choice to decide whether or not you keep that baby.

00:59:37.000 If you take that away from them, they would have to move to another state.

00:59:42.000 You're giving people a very complex scenario.

00:59:45.000 It's a series of hoops that they have to jump through that they didn't have to jump through before.

00:59:49.000 I mean, laws are there to protect life. 0.68

00:59:53.000 You know, I don't know.

00:59:54.000 When you talk about your body, there's another body at stake at that point, right?

00:59:58.000 But you think there's another body at stake instantly.

01:00:01.000 Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's another form, a developing one.

01:00:05.000 Yeah, a developing one, yeah.

01:00:06.000 Its size and location and degree of development is different, obviously, but that's true of a two-year-old from a 30-year-old.

01:00:12.000 I mean, we go through development for a very long period of time.

01:00:16.000 Richard Dawkins once tweeted something about how a human embryo at whatever stage is indistinguishable from a pig embryo.

01:00:25.000 Richard Dawkins said that?

01:00:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:27.000 See if you can find that.

01:00:28.000 And I was like, that's crazy because the human embryo will become a person.

01:00:32.000 Yeah.

01:00:32.000 Like, how can you even say that?

01:00:33.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:00:34.000 One is a human. 0.99

01:00:36.000 One's a human, a developing human, and the other is a developing pig. 0.99

01:00:41.000 Yeah, it's nonsense. 1.00

01:00:42.000 It's nonsense.

01:00:43.000 It's not an alien.

01:00:44.000 It's not an animal.

01:00:44.000 He must have been drinking.

01:00:46.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 With respect to those meanings of human that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig.

01:00:59.000 That's silly. 0.99

01:01:00.000 Wow. 0.99

01:01:01.000 It's a human in development.

01:01:01.000 That's even worse than I thought it was.

01:01:04.000 I was more charitable with my description of that tweet. 0.99

01:01:10.000 That's ridiculous. 0.54

01:01:11.000 Did you reply to it? 0.98

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:16.000 Oh, I was having a disagreement with Frankie Boyle. 0.92

01:01:19.000 As I said initially, it's certainly more human than a pig that has zero potential to be a person. 0.99

01:01:24.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

01:01:25.000 It's a ridiculous statement. 1.00

01:01:27.000 From a really smart guy. 0.93

01:01:28.000 And I would say, I would just argue that the, and we can move on to a different topic if you want to get off this one, but I would say that it's a person with potential, not a potential person.

01:01:39.000 I think you got it.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, sure.

01:01:41.000 Yeah, no, I see what you're saying, man.

01:01:43.000 And this is why people need to have, cheers again, sir.

01:01:47.000 Cheers.

01:01:47.000 See what we just did?

01:01:48.000 We had a peaceful disagreement.

01:01:50.000 Yeah, we did.

01:01:50.000 That can be done.

01:01:53.000 Respectful disagreement.

01:01:54.000 But what we would agree on, I think 100%, is that we should be able to have that debate.

01:01:59.000 There should never be like terms of service on Twitter that say you can't criticize abortion.

01:02:03.000 You can't criticize transgender ideology.

01:02:06.000 You can't joke about these things.

01:02:08.000 Yeah.

01:02:09.000 Not that abortion is a funny topic. 0.98

01:02:11.000 It's not funny, but it is funny when Bill Burr talks about it.

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 Yeah.

01:02:14.000 But it's only funny because Bill is a genius at like carving out a perspective on things.

01:02:19.000 Right.

01:02:20.000 Right.

01:02:21.000 He is.

01:02:22.000 Yeah, he's good.

01:02:23.000 But I think it's, you know, what we agree on 100% is that you should have a conversation.

01:02:27.000 I don't think this effort, the content moderation effort, which is not aimed at the lewd and the indecent, but it just opinions that the powers that be don't like.

01:02:37.000 That effort is limiting what information we have access to, limiting what we can talk about.

01:02:42.000 And we're supposed to be better informed as a result.

01:02:44.000 The arguments that they give are that somehow we're going to be better off because we don't have access to all this misinformation.

01:02:50.000 You're better informed by hashing it out and talking through it and saying, we might learn something.

01:02:54.000 We might change each other's minds by engaging in debate.

01:02:57.000 And you take that away from everybody.

01:02:59.000 And I think it's the most valuable thing in the world.

01:03:01.000 I think it's the reason that Musk got involved, not because of the B. Musk got involved because he saw that threat to...

01:03:12.000 I think Twitter's the problem in the format, because think about what you and I just did.

01:03:18.000 This would be horribly frustrating to do through text.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:23.000 You would have to think about the exact wording of your tweet.

01:03:26.000 You'd have to respond to what I said.

01:03:27.000 Character limitation.

01:03:28.000 And maybe you might insult me.

01:03:30.000 Get a little jab in on me.

01:03:31.000 Maybe I insult you back. 0.92

01:03:32.000 Get a little jab in on you.

01:03:33.000 And we're not in front of each other having a conversation like this.

01:03:36.000 The beautiful thing about having a conversation with someone is that you're right there with them.

01:03:40.000 And if you're a good person, you don't want to be in an argument with someone.

01:03:42.000 If you could have a conversation with someone without being in an argument with them, you can.

01:03:46.000 I mean, I supported my position.

01:03:48.000 You supported your position.

01:03:49.000 We just talked.

01:03:50.000 Right.

01:03:50.000 And we can't be communicating.

01:03:55.000 You're going to have a really hard time doing that on Twitter.

01:03:57.000 Even someone who's a genuine, kind person.

01:04:00.000 I find myself to be a genuinely kind person.

01:04:03.000 I try very hard to be a genuinely kind person.

01:04:07.000 I really do.

01:04:08.000 And so if I'm engaging with people on Twitter, I don't want to get into one of those things. 0.99

01:04:12.000 I don't want to shit on them. 1.00

01:04:14.000 I don't want to fuck with them. 1.00

01:04:15.000 I'm not interested. 1.00

01:04:16.000 Own them.

01:04:16.000 Dunk on them.

01:04:17.000 I could do that at a comic club if I have to shut someone up.

01:04:20.000 But I'm not engaged in that sport.

01:04:22.000 But some people do.

01:04:24.000 And the problem with that is that becomes sort of a way that you learn how to share ideas and communicate.

01:04:30.000 And it favors being mean.

01:04:33.000 It favors taking things out of context.

01:04:37.000 Yeah.

01:04:41.000 We're good to go.

01:04:55.000 We're looking at each other.

01:04:56.000 Clearly, I respect you.

01:04:58.000 You're a really nice guy.

01:04:59.000 I think you're a very intelligent guy.

01:05:01.000 I like talking to you.

01:05:02.000 I don't want to get in an argument with you.

01:05:03.000 I don't want to hurt your feelings.

01:05:04.000 But I also want to say what I'm saying, and I want to see where we have middle ground and where we disagree.

01:05:10.000 But in person is the way to do that.

01:05:12.000 We're designed for it.

01:05:14.000 We're not designed for text.

01:05:16.000 It's bad for us.

01:05:18.000 Yeah, I get that.

01:05:19.000 Plus, now it's like a preserved written record of how mean you just were to somebody.

01:05:24.000 Exactly.

01:05:25.000 It doesn't fade away.

01:05:27.000 It's there forever.

01:05:28.000 It's not how we're designed to communicate.

01:05:30.000 If we say something in a heated argument, and I regret it, I can apologize to you, and it fades away.

01:05:35.000 It goes away.

01:05:36.000 It doesn't fade away when it's a written record on the internet.

01:05:39.000 Well, it's just like having a conversation, right? 0.99

01:05:42.000 Sometimes you say shit, and you're like, oh, why did I say it that way? 0.99

01:05:45.000 Because you're thinking out loud, and sometimes you're not good at it. 1.00

01:05:48.000 You're running with words, and you're trying to figure out how to structure them together.

01:05:52.000 It doesn't always work out well.

01:05:53.000 But when you do that on Twitter, the problem is now it's printed and published, and it's there forever. 0.86

01:05:58.000 Just like a dumb thing that you might have said yesterday in real life.

01:06:01.000 It's not like this is something that you're staking your intellectual reputation on. 0.88

01:06:07.000 I've researched this thoroughly and these are my opinions. 0.99

01:06:10.000 No, you're just fucking tweeting something. 0.99

01:06:11.000 But the problem with fucking tweeting something is it's a weird way to communicate. 0.99

01:06:15.000 It's permanent record that is casual thought. 0.99

01:06:19.000 Right.

01:06:19.000 That's a lot of it.

01:06:21.000 I mean, some people put more effort into it and they really like structure their tweets and those people are mentally ill and they should fucking go find actual physical hobbies that real human beings should engage in. 0.97

01:06:29.000 You don't spend an hour on each tweet thinking through it? 0.95

01:06:31.000 Well, I mean, if you had something important to say, yes.

01:06:34.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

01:06:35.000 My point is that the problem is people do that all day long.

01:06:39.000 Right.

01:06:40.000 That's their sport. 0.99

01:06:41.000 Their sport is like getting in arguments and virtue signaling on Twitter and I know people who have lost their fucking minds doing that. 0.98

01:06:48.000 And I recognize it the same way I recognized when I was in high school. 0.99

01:06:51.000 My cousin's friend started selling coke. 1.00

01:06:53.000 I noticed that guy was losing his fucking mind because he's doing coke all the time. 0.99

01:06:56.000 It's the same kind of thing. 1.00

01:06:57.000 I know people that I'm friends with and I'll go to their Twitter page and they're insane now.

01:07:03.000 All they're doing is tweeting about the Democrats, pro-Democrat this, pro...

01:07:07.000 They're talking about obscure congressmen in South Dakota. 1.00

01:07:10.000 It's wild shit. 1.00

01:07:11.000 And their career has completely fallen apart. 1.00

01:07:14.000 Their career has fallen apart.

01:07:16.000 There's very few of them that are really successful that engage in this kind of constant, all-day-long psycho behavior.

01:07:23.000 It's all people that are literally flailing. 1.00

01:07:26.000 They're mentally ill. 1.00

01:07:27.000 And they don't see it that way. 0.99

01:07:29.000 They see that somehow they're out there fighting a good fight, one tweet at a time.

01:07:33.000 It's wild.

01:07:34.000 It's madness.

01:07:36.000 I do think that Engaging in those forums, if you have something to say on issues that you think are important, rather than keeping it in and holding it to yourself for fear of whatever backlash you might get or getting sucked into an argument,

01:07:54.000 I do think there's benefit to that.

01:07:56.000 It's just, you know, in moderation, right?

01:07:58.000 Not taking it too far.

01:07:59.000 Right.

01:08:00.000 And making it like your thing.

01:08:01.000 It's like you're on Twitter all day, like debating people or like trying to beat people over the head.

01:08:06.000 With whatever your political ideas are or your moral ideas or whatever.

01:08:11.000 But I mean, advancing, trying to, you know, like the bee, it's interesting.

01:08:16.000 What we do with the bee, satire itself is like, on one hand, you're just trying to make people laugh, but you are also trying to make them think.

01:08:24.000 You're trying to engage the ideas of the day, right?

01:08:27.000 Like the way that the Onion defines satire in one of their encyclopedias or whatever is it's, It's being a smartass while saying it's for a higher purpose.

01:08:37.000 And that's funny because the satirists will tell you it's for a higher purpose, right?

01:08:42.000 They'll tell you, like, we're trying to, like, speak truth through these jokes.

01:08:45.000 We're trying to, like, tear down bad ideas and address them.

01:08:48.000 And I think that's true.

01:08:49.000 I think there's a benefit to that.

01:08:51.000 I think it's why we want to be in the conversation.

01:08:54.000 We don't have a mission statement at the Babylon Bee, but if we did, I would say it's to ridicule bad ideas.

01:08:59.000 Ridicule them. 0.62

01:09:00.000 They deserve mockery. 0.99

01:09:01.000 Do you know what a hayoka is? 0.93

01:09:03.000 Have you ever heard that term?

01:09:04.000 I do not. 0.94

01:09:05.000 It's a Lakota term for a sacred clown.

01:09:09.000 They had a character that was in their tribe that would make fun of everything. 0.83

01:09:15.000 He'd make fun of the chief.

01:09:17.000 He'd make fun of the best warriors.

01:09:19.000 He'd make fun of the women. 0.98

01:09:21.000 He'd make fun of the children.

01:09:23.000 He'd make fun of everything.

01:09:24.000 That's great. 0.99

01:09:24.000 And the tribe, they had a philosophy that anything that could not be made fun of was bullshit. 0.99

01:09:31.000 You had to find the holes in things. 0.99

01:09:33.000 And one of the ways you would find the holes in things is to make fun of them.

01:09:36.000 And then there was an important part of the tribe. 0.93

01:09:38.000 And they were the sacred clown. 0.90

01:09:40.000 And that's Ahioka. 0.92

01:09:42.000 And that's a satirist.

01:09:43.000 That's the Babylon Bee.

01:09:45.000 That's a good stand-up.

01:09:46.000 That's a lot of comedy.

01:09:48.000 A lot of meme comedy is coming from that perspective.

01:09:51.000 They're mocking something that is available to be mocked.

01:09:56.000 There's some things that are not available to be mocked, right?

01:09:58.000 Like a horrific murder of a good person is not available to be mocked, right?

01:10:02.000 We all agree because we don't want that happening and this is not something we support as a society.

01:10:07.000 But when it gets down to debatable ideas, then you've got to find out how mockable is that debatable idea. 0.74

01:10:15.000 And when it comes to, like, Rachel Levine winning Woman of the Year, that's pretty fucking mockable. 0.57

01:10:20.000 It's mockable. 0.97

01:10:21.000 It's not just funny, though.

01:10:22.000 And to say it's not mockable doesn't, you know, like, to say it's hateful to mock it.

01:10:26.000 Right, right.

01:10:26.000 Like, that's a mockable idea.

01:10:28.000 Right.

01:10:28.000 But I also think that there's a moral obligation to mock some of these things.

01:10:33.000 A moral obligation?

01:10:34.000 Moral obligation.

01:10:35.000 How so?

01:10:36.000 The absurd has only become sacred because it hasn't been sufficiently mocked.

01:10:41.000 I think we have crazy ideas, crazy ideas that comedians to some extent bear the responsibility for becoming popular because they were too afraid to mock them.

01:10:49.000 They were too afraid they would get canceled.

01:10:51.000 They didn't want to make fun of it.

01:10:53.000 You know, like kids, kids are so impressionable.

01:10:55.000 Kids don't have like, kids don't have like a theological foundation or a philosophical foundation.

01:10:59.000 They can't ward off bad ideas.

01:11:01.000 Like they just absorb whatever you throw at them.

01:11:04.000 But let me stop you there because you're talking about My tribe now.

01:11:07.000 Here's the thing about comedians.

01:11:09.000 We make fun of things we think are funny.

01:11:12.000 So we don't have an obligation to decide that something's funny.

01:11:15.000 And if you say that we have an obligation, who is our representative that has that obligation?

01:11:21.000 Hold on.

01:11:22.000 They're individual artists.

01:11:24.000 Some of them are absurdists.

01:11:25.000 Some of them are guys like Zach Galifianakis or like Mitch Hedberg that just write non sequitur jokes.

01:11:32.000 They're not responsible for anything.

01:11:33.000 The idea that comedians are responsible for mocking something.

01:11:37.000 Well, if there's a comedian who sees something there and he wants to talk about it on stage, then he's responsible for making it funny and it's an important subject and it's something that you can mock.

01:11:49.000 Just do a good job on it.

01:11:50.000 Make sure it works good.

01:11:52.000 That's the responsibility of the individual.

01:11:54.000 But it's not like we have a committee.

01:11:56.000 We're not like a government organization.

01:11:58.000 No, no, no.

01:11:58.000 We're not like the FDA. We approve bad drugs.

01:12:01.000 We're not that.

01:12:02.000 We're a group of artists.

01:12:04.000 But we have an obligation as comedians to be funny.

01:12:06.000 Yes. 1.00

01:12:07.000 So when you said, okay, so you were talking to Gina Carano recently, and you talked about how woke shit is the funniest shit. 1.00

01:12:13.000 That's what you said. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Woke shit's the funniest shit. 1.00

01:12:15.000 And we make fun of that stuff. 1.00

01:12:17.000 Because it's so ridiculous. 0.99

01:12:17.000 So ridiculous. 0.99

01:12:18.000 And somebody's got to make fun of it. 0.97

01:12:20.000 I think, at a minimum, the comedian has an obligation to be funny and not dance around those things that deserve mockery.

01:12:28.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 And so you can look at it from two perspectives.

01:12:31.000 If you want to be funny, you've got to go after the stuff that's really funny and you shouldn't try to avoid that just to not ruffle feathers.

01:12:40.000 But the key is just whether or not you think it's funny.

01:12:43.000 Right.

01:12:44.000 That's the key.

01:12:44.000 Yes.

01:12:45.000 It's like some people don't have a joke on something.

01:12:48.000 Like I don't have an abortion joke, right?

01:12:50.000 But Bill Burr had a great one.

01:12:52.000 Right.

01:12:52.000 I didn't think the idea of it, like it didn't pop into my head as good subject matter.

01:12:59.000 It popped into my head as a problematic human situation.

01:13:03.000 So when I look at comedy, like I have to decide what I want to talk about based on what I think is funny.

01:13:09.000 It can't be any other thing.

01:13:12.000 Now, if I look at something like Rachel Levine winning Woman of the Year and think it's hilarious, I would probably do a bit about that, but Chappelle had already done that bit about Caitlyn Jenner winning Woman of the Year and compared it to Eminem, and it was hilarious.

01:13:26.000 It's a brilliant bit.

01:13:27.000 So that subject's dead to me now.

01:13:30.000 So I move on.

01:13:31.000 But that's how we do it.

01:13:32.000 So if there's a thing that I think is funny, And I decide to talk about it on stage, then I agree with you.

01:13:39.000 Then I have an obligation to see it through.

01:13:41.000 So I would put satire in a different category than just generic comedy.

01:13:46.000 Just jokes for the sake of jokes.

01:13:49.000 I, you know, the Onions thing about, you know, it's being a smart ass and saying it's for a higher purpose.

01:13:55.000 Generally, throughout the history of satire in particular, especially like political satire, right?

01:13:59.000 That's dealing with the issues of the day in the culture.

01:14:03.000 The idea is to, I heard somebody define it as, you know, satire weds wit with moral concern.

01:14:11.000 Okay?

01:14:12.000 So you're taking, you're looking at what are the social cancers?

01:14:15.000 What are the things that are bad for society?

01:14:18.000 Mm-hmm.

01:14:19.000 And you're finding a witty way to excise them, to cut them out before the cancer can kill the host, right?

01:14:27.000 Sort of.

01:14:28.000 Also, a lot of times you're just mocking things.

01:14:30.000 You are.

01:14:31.000 A lot of times you're just mocking the mundane and the silly and the deserving of it.

01:14:34.000 But you're also finding those things that are dangerous, that are harmful, the social cancers, and you're saying, okay, look, we're not running around.

01:14:41.000 We're not an attacker with a knife trying to stab and hurt somebody.

01:14:43.000 We're more like a surgeon with a scalpel trying to cut out something harmful so healing can happen.

01:14:48.000 I think?

01:15:04.000 And Planned Parenthood defends him for that reason.

01:15:06.000 Because Planned Parenthood claims that abortion is only 3% of what they do, right?

01:15:10.000 So we'll do an abortion joke like that to show the absurdity of Planned Parenthood trying to get off the hook by saying this is only 3% of what we do by saying, okay, what if Bill Cosby said sexual assault is only 3% of what I do?

01:15:23.000 So we're making a point there that's not just like going for laughs.

01:15:27.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:15:28.000 I see what you're saying.

01:15:29.000 And what you guys are doing is trying to speak to a voice you don't think is being heard.

01:15:36.000 And that's why it's being very successful.

01:15:38.000 Because there's not a balance in narratives when it comes to left or right in this country.

01:15:45.000 It's becoming more imbalanced because now we're banned.

01:15:48.000 Right.

01:15:48.000 And there's unspoken stuff that you can't talk about that a lot of people wish they could talk about.

01:15:53.000 And those are the things that you could poke fun at.

01:15:55.000 And they get a big response.

01:15:57.000 And they get shared a lot.

01:15:59.000 I mean, obviously you guys are still on Instagram.

01:16:01.000 You have a lot of people on Instagram and you're still on Facebook.

01:16:04.000 And I think there's some sort of...

01:16:06.000 We got banned on TikTok recently.

01:16:08.000 Did you?

01:16:09.000 Yeah.

01:16:09.000 That's probably good.

01:16:10.000 You should be off TikTok anyway.

01:16:10.000 No appeal, permanently banned.

01:16:12.000 I know.

01:16:13.000 That's what I was saying.

01:16:14.000 I was like, I don't even know that we want to talk about that that much.

01:16:16.000 We don't even like it.

01:16:17.000 We're not even making a big deal that we got banned on TikTok because maybe we shouldn't have been in the first place.

01:16:20.000 Do you ever read the terms of service?

01:16:21.000 No, not in detail, but I've read about people who've...

01:16:24.000 We read it on the podcast.

01:16:25.000 We read it at me and Theo Vaughn read it out on the podcast.

01:16:27.000 It was bonkers.

01:16:28.000 Frightening, huh?

01:16:29.000 It's bonkers.

01:16:30.000 They get access to your microphone.

01:16:31.000 They get access to all your keystrokes.

01:16:33.000 Right.

01:16:34.000 They get access to other computers that aren't connected to your phone.

01:16:36.000 Why does Apple allow that in the App Store?

01:16:38.000 I have no idea, but that is one circumstance where Trump was correct when he was talking about banning that.

01:16:44.000 Look, that is Chinese spyware that's dressed up as the most addictive social media app ever. 1.00

01:16:50.000 It's wild.

01:16:52.000 It's a Trojan horse. 1.00

01:16:53.000 Yeah, when they back-engineer that shit and find out exactly what's in there, they're freaking out. 0.99

01:16:59.000 They're like, this is the most invasive app we've ever discovered. 0.99

01:17:02.000 Right.

01:17:03.000 It's so crazy, and it's so addictive. 0.99

01:17:06.000 It's fucking genius. 0.99

01:17:07.000 I say to China, well played. 1.00

01:17:09.000 You got us.

01:17:10.000 And now they're trying to turn Instagram into TikTok, basically.

01:17:13.000 Essentially just morph it into that to compete with it.

01:17:15.000 Well, you know, I mean, that's what they always do, right?

01:17:18.000 That's where stories came from.

01:17:20.000 It came from Snapchat.

01:17:21.000 They always find the best features that some other application has.

01:17:25.000 They all do that.

01:17:26.000 Twitter did it for a while.

01:17:27.000 Remember Fleets?

01:17:28.000 They did Fleets for like a minute.

01:17:30.000 Well, they're doing Substack on Twitter, right?

01:17:32.000 They're allowing people to pay, which is interesting.

01:17:35.000 Pay to be like a super tweeter or something like that.

01:17:37.000 Super supporter, super follower, something like that.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, hello.

01:17:42.000 It's like they all do that.

01:17:44.000 I guess that's what you have to do.

01:17:46.000 The thing about these companies is that these are all companies that have stakeholders.

01:17:52.000 They're stockholders.

01:17:53.000 It's a lot of responsibility.

01:17:55.000 If a CEO doesn't capitalize on some opportunity where there's a really popular thing that keeps happening, Like, that's why Instagram is always pushing the videos.

01:18:06.000 They're so...

01:18:07.000 The reels.

01:18:08.000 They want Instagram reels to be, like, the most important thing on Instagram.

01:18:11.000 Right.

01:18:11.000 The other things don't get nearly as much traction.

01:18:13.000 Right.

01:18:13.000 Now I go to make a new post, and the first thing that's an option is reel.

01:18:17.000 Like, I don't want to just post a reel every time, you know?

01:18:19.000 Well, they know.

01:18:20.000 They know what's going on.

01:18:21.000 They know that the TikTokers, they got them. 1.00

01:18:23.000 Yep.

01:18:23.000 TikTok got them.

01:18:25.000 They came along out of nowhere with the most addictive app ever that's also spyware and no one cares.

01:18:30.000 It's not good for teens either.

01:18:32.000 Not healthy.

01:18:32.000 Well, all that stuff is bad for kids.

01:18:35.000 Do you keep your kids off it?

01:18:36.000 No, I don't.

01:18:37.000 I don't think my children should not be exposed to things that are in the world.

01:18:42.000 I think the more you protect them from certain...

01:18:45.000 I think you have to have communications with them about it.

01:18:47.000 I talk about it openly.

01:18:49.000 I've described...

01:18:50.000 One of my friends...

01:18:51.000 My daughter came home the other day.

01:18:52.000 She goes, one of my friends is so mad at you because her mom watched a video of you talking about the terms of service on TikTok and she made him delete it off his phone.

01:19:03.000 It was hilarious.

01:19:04.000 I go, good, you should delete it off your phone too.

01:19:06.000 I'm like, they're listening to me right now, honey.

01:19:08.000 This is dangerous.

01:19:09.000 But that's how I deal with it with my kids.

01:19:12.000 I give them the opportunity to make their own decisions.

01:19:15.000 I think it's very important.

01:19:17.000 And I don't think in this world, I think this world, keeping your kids off social media, you might think that's good, and it's probably good to regulate it, and it's probably good to have discussions with them.

01:19:28.000 But everyone's on social media.

01:19:29.000 This is a new world.

01:19:31.000 This is keeping kids from listening to rock and roll.

01:19:33.000 That's what this is.

01:19:34.000 This is keeping kids from wearing skirts. 1.00

01:19:36.000 We're in a new world.

01:19:38.000 The new world involves social media with most people.

01:19:41.000 The key is gonna be, how do you engage with people?

01:19:45.000 And how do you treat people on social media the way you would treat people if you were in front of them?

01:19:50.000 If they were a genuinely nice person and you're being genuinely nice to them. 0.59

01:19:54.000 We should discourage cuntiness everywhere, including cuntiness in comments, cuntiness on tweets, cuntiness in Facebook. 0.99

01:20:02.000 That's not good. 1.00

01:20:03.000 And to encourage that kind of communication, that shit is gonna come back on you. 0.99

01:20:08.000 You're setting a tone, and you see it with so many people that these attack dogs, they develop like a fan base of other attack dogs, and then someone goes after them. 0.99

01:20:18.000 They go after them, they start attacking them, and they hate it.

01:20:22.000 Because everybody hates that. 1.00

01:20:24.000 It's a shit way to talk. 1.00

01:20:25.000 If you were having a fucking dinner conversation at your house with a couple of buddies, and one guy brought his friend, and his friend is just an insulting asshole, he just wants to mock everything you do and shit all over you, talk about shit you did in seventh grade, and you're like, get this fucking guy out of here! 1.00

01:20:40.000 Sounds like a good time. 1.00

01:20:43.000 He'd be like, get this fucking guy out of here, this guy's rude. 0.99

01:20:47.000 That leaves room for mockery, leaves room for comedy, but I think what we have to be really careful with is we're setting a tone for communication. 0.99

01:20:56.000 Because most of the communication that people do today, where it's with other folks that they don't know, a lot of people are like, the majority of their communication is on social media.

01:21:07.000 That's crazy.

01:21:08.000 It is scary though the teens are like suicidal because of like what they see on social media I mean like I don't think rock and roll ever had that kind of like you know like expo letting your kids listen to rock and roll you know there was a lot of that was a debate at one time right but I don't know social media has like It has the ability to put kids into very unhealthy mental states.

01:21:31.000 That's what they thought about rock and roll.

01:21:33.000 Yeah.

01:21:33.000 It's just the exact same thing they thought when they wouldn't let Elvis shake his pelvis on television.

01:21:38.000 Yeah.

01:21:38.000 It's the same exact thought.

01:21:40.000 They're like, oh my god, rock and roll's gonna ruin my children.

01:21:43.000 Raka, this is the world your children are living in.

01:21:46.000 Your children are young human beings.

01:21:49.000 This is the world they live in.

01:21:50.000 Give them a strong set of morals and ethics.

01:21:53.000 Show them by the way you talk to people, by the way you behave, that you're kind and thoughtful.

01:21:59.000 Show them that you work hard, that you have discipline, and that you admit your faults, and that you're always trying to do better.

01:22:06.000 Show them that!

01:22:07.000 Show them that and they can apply that to all things in life.

01:22:11.000 That's crucial. 0.90

01:22:11.000 But to try to pretend that we should all live in a world that is completely alien to the world that we currently live in seems to me to be ridiculous. 0.90

01:22:20.000 That doesn't mean you should be on Chinese spyware.

01:22:22.000 Right. 0.99

01:22:23.000 But if my kids want to do that, that's what they're going to fucking do. 0.99

01:22:26.000 Right. 0.99

01:22:26.000 Because they enjoy the fun of doing TikToks and shit. 0.99

01:22:30.000 You know, there's a real world that we live in, and that real world is fucking complicated. 1.00

01:22:37.000 I think the most important thing is to let your kids understand that this shit is complicated. 1.00

01:22:42.000 Let them understand that there's a lot of games afoot. 0.99

01:22:45.000 There's a lot of things going on.

01:22:46.000 There's moving pieces. 0.88

01:22:47.000 There's a lot of narratives that are being projected that aren't accurate, and they do it on purpose, and these are people that are in the fucking highest echelons of media. 0.99

01:22:56.000 And they're putting out lies and nonsense. 0.97

01:22:58.000 They're acting as propagandists for the state.

01:23:02.000 They're doing what administrations want them to do versus what their journalistic ethics should compel them to do.

01:23:08.000 And this is happening left and right.

01:23:10.000 And we know that 75% of all advertisements on television are pharmaceutical companies. 0.99

01:23:15.000 That's fucking wild. 0.99

01:23:18.000 That's wild. 0.99

01:23:19.000 That the vast majority of what people see on television has to be in line with the hugest advertising budget that the world has ever known. 0.99

01:23:30.000 That's some wild shit right there. 0.99

01:23:32.000 And that's the pharmaceutical companies? 1.00

01:23:35.000 Really?

01:23:37.000 And we're all cool with that.

01:23:39.000 Equipping kids, though, to deal with this stuff, I absolutely agree with you.

01:23:42.000 I totally agree with you.

01:23:43.000 And it also goes back to the point about mockery.

01:23:46.000 I think that kids should see you modeling good behavior.

01:23:48.000 They should also see you mocking ideas that deserve to be mocked.

01:23:52.000 Because otherwise, they're going to take those ideas seriously.

01:23:54.000 They're going to think that there is such a thing as a transgender three-year-old. 0.87

01:23:57.000 You know, just because the boy picked up a Barbie for two seconds.

01:24:00.000 Well, there's so many stories of people who were, when they were younger, thought they were a boy and then they grew up and just became a tomboy and then became a regular woman.

01:24:08.000 And they're like, oh, what if I had lived today?

01:24:11.000 Oh, and what a crazy time for gays and lesbians, like lesbian women who are a little bit more masculine in how they dress and how they feel, but they don't identify as male. 1.00

01:24:22.000 You know? 0.92

01:24:22.000 They're attracted to women. 0.92

01:24:23.000 They are themselves women. 1.00

01:24:25.000 They identify as women.

01:24:26.000 But they're not, like, girly, you know?

01:24:30.000 How crazy is that term that you just said?

01:24:32.000 What's that?

01:24:33.000 They identify as women.

01:24:34.000 That's like a normal term now.

01:24:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:36.000 Isn't that wild?

01:24:37.000 What is a woman, Joe? 0.88

01:24:38.000 What is a woman? 1.00

01:24:38.000 That documentary was fantastic. 1.00

01:24:40.000 It was.

01:24:40.000 It's really good.

01:24:41.000 It's really good.

01:24:42.000 I would encourage everybody on the left, on the right, in the center, libertarians, watch that documentary.

01:24:49.000 What is a woman? 1.00

01:24:50.000 It's very interesting because he does the best job I've ever seen of having like a poker face through the entire thing.

01:24:57.000 Yeah.

01:24:57.000 He's just asking questions.

01:24:58.000 Very dry.

01:24:59.000 Asking questions.

01:24:59.000 Not be adversarial.

01:25:00.000 Not challenging them at all.

01:25:01.000 Yeah.

01:25:01.000 And he's letting them go, what?

01:25:03.000 And you notice how, like, there's a couple of conversations in that documentary, too, where there were just questions, just simply questioning, like, what do you believe and why do you believe it?

01:25:11.000 Like, what's the truth here?

01:25:13.000 And it actually got people irritated to the point where they wanted to kick him out of their office.

01:25:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:17.000 And I'm like, you know, this is how you react, like, when you've spent your entire life and your current job is to suppress the truth.

01:25:25.000 The mere question about what is true...

01:25:28.000 Is enough to upset you?

01:25:30.000 Yeah.

01:25:30.000 That's crazy.

01:25:31.000 He wasn't being adversarial.

01:25:33.000 The one politician that ended the conversation quickly?

01:25:35.000 Shut it down, yeah.

01:25:37.000 I don't remember what his question was, but it was...

01:25:40.000 Pretty innocuous.

01:25:41.000 It wasn't a sniping question.

01:25:46.000 There was nothing nasty about it.

01:25:47.000 It was just asking questions.

01:25:49.000 You should be able to have answers to those questions.

01:25:51.000 You should be able to have answers to those questions to people who agree with you.

01:25:55.000 If you hold that idea in your head, and you're a politician, And you might actually vote on these things, and you might have to actually have a say on these things, and you might be able to promote these ideas.

01:26:09.000 You should tell me what you think about everything, about crosswalks.

01:26:14.000 I want to know what you think about stop signs.

01:26:15.000 I want to know what you think about everything.

01:26:17.000 You should be able to tell me.

01:26:18.000 If this is something that you have an actual...

01:26:21.000 You're a professional politician. 0.99

01:26:24.000 You're supposed to have a fucking opinion on these very important issues. 0.99

01:26:27.000 So this is an important issue. 0.99

01:26:28.000 And somebody brings it up and they just...

01:26:30.000 Maybe they oppose you?

01:26:31.000 You can't talk to someone who opposes you?

01:26:34.000 Right.

01:26:34.000 That's preposterous.

01:26:35.000 Right.

01:26:36.000 You have to be able to.

01:26:37.000 But that should just immediately disqualify you from being a politician.

01:26:40.000 Someone should just say, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:26:42.000 You can't say we're not going to talk about this.

01:26:44.000 If you wanted to talk, and then this comes up, and you don't want to talk about this?

01:26:48.000 That's crazy.

01:26:48.000 I'm interested in what you think about the question that I get all the time.

01:26:54.000 This, you know...

01:26:55.000 Oh, isn't your job easier now because this is such a target-rich environment?

01:26:59.000 We can't even decide what a woman is. 1.00

01:27:03.000 A Supreme Court justice nominee was asked, what is a woman? 1.00

01:27:07.000 And she is a woman, by the way.

01:27:08.000 And she refused to answer that and said, I'm not a biologist.

01:27:11.000 It's like, you can't make it up.

01:27:14.000 You can't make it up.

01:27:15.000 And we're doing satire and comedy.

01:27:17.000 I think, in my opinion, when people say it's a target-rich environment, yeah, of course.

01:27:20.000 Some of these things are easy to make fun of.

01:27:21.000 Biden's easy to make fun of.

01:27:23.000 A lot of these things are easy to make fun of.

01:27:24.000 But you could literally just publish what he says verbatim, and it's funny.

01:27:27.000 It's hard to exaggerate it.

01:27:29.000 It's a Mike Judge movie.

01:27:29.000 Yeah.

01:27:30.000 It really is.

01:27:30.000 It's like idiocracy.

01:27:31.000 It's making comedy harder.

01:27:33.000 I don't know if you've seen...

01:27:34.000 Did you see the spreadsheet that I shared that has our 70...

01:27:37.000 It's now 76. 76 jokes we made that came true.

01:27:41.000 No.

01:27:41.000 Pull that up.

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 We tell...

01:27:43.000 I don't even know.

01:27:44.000 It was on my...

01:27:44.000 That's got to be somewhere.

01:27:45.000 It's on my Twitter.

01:27:46.000 I don't know how to directly...

01:27:47.000 It was a spreadsheet.

01:27:48.000 A Google sheet that I shared.

01:27:49.000 Jamie is the wizard of Google.

01:27:51.000 He will find it.

01:27:52.000 76 jokes we've made.

01:28:11.000 That have come true. 0.59

01:28:11.000 But you did this way before it actually happened. 0.59

01:28:13.000 We did it a month before they actually published it.

01:28:14.000 There you go.

01:28:15.000 There it is.

01:28:15.000 That was quick.

01:28:16.000 So the left column is the joke, and then the right column is a real story.

01:28:22.000 Let's see what they are.

01:28:23.000 You can't zoom anymore from here?

01:28:27.000 There we go.

01:28:28.000 Blind boy.

01:28:29.000 Whoa, that's huge.

01:28:30.000 Whoa, look at those pop-up windows. 0.99

01:28:31.000 They fucking occupy everything. 0.96

01:28:33.000 Okay, scroll up a little so I can read this. 0.99

01:28:35.000 There we go.

01:28:37.000 Oh, it just keeps going?

01:28:38.000 Oh. 1.00

01:28:42.000 What is going on with these pop-up windows, you fucks? 0.99

01:28:45.000 Make that a little lower. 0.99

01:28:47.000 A little smaller, rather.

01:28:49.000 There we go.

01:28:50.000 New York Times praises Soviet Union for unprecedented gender equality in labor camps.

01:28:56.000 Click on that.

01:28:57.000 How is that?

01:28:59.000 Well, that's our article, and then the real story is over in the right column.

01:29:11.000 Is that it?

01:29:12.000 Yeah.

01:29:12.000 Okay, click on that.

01:29:17.000 Biden's pick for banking regulator once praised Soviet Union for having no gender pay gap.

01:29:23.000 Wow. 0.92

01:29:27.000 It's not in camps, but it's pretty goddamn close. 0.94

01:29:29.000 It's close. 0.80

01:29:29.000 So I think some of these are like, we call it a partial fulfillment of a prophecy. 0.80

01:29:34.000 It comes half true, and then sometimes it comes totally true, and then sometimes it comes even more true, then it's even more exaggerated.

01:29:41.000 Look at what it says there.

01:29:42.000 Say what you will about the old USSR. There was no gender pay gap there.

01:29:47.000 Market doesn't always know best. 1.00

01:29:49.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:29:51.000 Right. 1.00

01:29:51.000 And here's the thing that's gross about that, the grossest part. 1.00

01:29:53.000 She knows the gender pay gap is not as simple as you're a carpenter, she's a carpenter. 1.00

01:29:58.000 Right.

01:29:59.000 You both do the exact same quality work.

01:30:01.000 She makes $100 an hour, you make $150. 1.00

01:30:03.000 That's not what it is.

01:30:04.000 No.

01:30:04.000 No, what it is is men choose different jobs.

01:30:07.000 Yeah, like welders and architects and whatever.

01:30:10.000 And they work more hours and women get pregnant and they have babies and they can't work. 0.99

01:30:15.000 They make decisions because they're mothers that they don't want to be... 0.92

01:30:19.000 that the husband can pay all the bills.

01:30:21.000 They make decisions within the household more regularly that They make less money overall with all humans.

01:30:29.000 But it's not the same people making the same job.

01:30:32.000 If they do the same work, why wouldn't you just hire all women? 1.00

01:30:35.000 Because they're just as good and you could pay them less. 1.00

01:30:38.000 That's so dumb. 0.99

01:30:39.000 But it's a lie. 1.00

01:30:41.000 It's not dumb. 0.99

01:30:42.000 It's a lie. 0.94

01:30:44.000 And a lot of people don't know this.

01:30:45.000 I had a friend who was arguing with me about it.

01:30:48.000 We were talking about divorce settlements, and he was saying that he thinks that maybe it's to make up for the fact that there's a gender pay gap.

01:30:55.000 I go, what is the gender pay gap? 0.98

01:30:57.000 We had a conversation about it.

01:30:58.000 He goes, well, women get paid 75 cents for every dollar a guy got. 0.98

01:31:01.000 I go, doing the same job?

01:31:02.000 He goes, yes.

01:31:03.000 I go, no.

01:31:04.000 No.

01:31:04.000 He goes, really?

01:31:05.000 I go, no, no.

01:31:06.000 It's different jobs.

01:31:07.000 Right.

01:31:08.000 That's what it is.

01:31:09.000 Now, if you can say that there's some sort of a gender bias within those jobs... 0.98

01:31:12.000 By the way, I would call that harmful misinformation.

01:31:14.000 You know why that's harmful?

01:31:15.000 Look at all the resentment it creates.

01:31:17.000 Yes.

01:31:29.000 It's just not true.

01:31:30.000 It's a misleading narrative.

01:31:31.000 Right, and it also flies in the face of real gender discrimination that probably does happen in some jobs. 1.00

01:31:38.000 Right, right.

01:31:39.000 So it fucks that up.

01:31:40.000 Right.

01:31:41.000 Because it like paints this unrealistic narrative when there's, you could highlight an actual real case, like real gender discrimination, whether it's in with specific fields or specific companies where like there's an old boys network that controls Right.

01:31:56.000 Who succeeds and who doesn't succeed, and it's not based on merit, it's just based on, you know, cronyism, then it makes sense.

01:32:04.000 But if you're saying that, and you know it's not true, and you know it really is that women choose different jobs, and that men go into different fields of work, and sometimes they're more dangerous, and men are much...

01:32:12.000 Jordan Peterson talks about this so eloquently.

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:15.000 You know, that men are more likely to die, they're more likely to get murdered, they're more likely to commit suicide, the more...

01:32:19.000 There's more of them in prison.

01:32:20.000 Yeah, it just goes on and on.

01:32:22.000 But that this, specifically, when it comes to work, that this, they get killed at work more often.

01:32:29.000 They die on the job.

01:32:30.000 And they choose these paths based on, you know, a lot of traditional male characteristics.

01:32:38.000 I guarantee you, men fall off a roof more often than women.

01:32:39.000 Because they're roofing more often than women are. 1.00

01:32:40.000 Probably right.

01:32:41.000 But that's the whole point, is that he's saying these are dangerous jobs that these men gravitate towards to.

01:32:46.000 And also very physical jobs.

01:32:48.000 When was the last time you saw a female garbageman? 1.00

01:32:51.000 I'm sure they exist. 1.00

01:32:52.000 I'm sure there's a garbage woman out there. 1.00

01:32:53.000 I'm sure she's mad at me right now. 1.00

01:32:55.000 Motherfucker, I listened to you while I'm at work, and now I hate your ass. 1.00

01:32:57.000 She needs a transition. 1.00

01:33:00.000 I've been working in Tallahassee, Florida, slinging garbage for 16 fucking years. 1.00

01:33:04.000 I'm sure there's a woman like that out there. 1.00

01:33:06.000 Probably got a cigarette hanging out of the corner of her mouth. 1.00

01:33:08.000 But for the most part, it's garbage men. 0.99

01:33:12.000 Masonry, heavy-duty construction jobs, the vast majority are men. 1.00

01:33:17.000 Walking up on those fucking beams at 30,000 feet in the sky. 0.98

01:33:21.000 They're not that high, but you know what I mean. 0.99

01:33:23.000 Like the skyscrapers.

01:33:25.000 That's like flying altitude.

01:33:26.000 A lot of those are men.

01:33:27.000 And a lot of people that gravitate towards certain fields that require extreme competitiveness in the work environment.

01:33:35.000 You know, 16-hour days, like lawyers and doctors and Oh, I've heard Jordan Peterson talk about that at length and the lack of appreciation that's there too.

01:33:43.000 You know, like men are like, men are making things work.

01:33:46.000 They're fixing things that break.

01:33:48.000 They're building things that we need, you know, and they're working themselves the bone to do it.

01:33:53.000 And there's like...

01:33:54.000 Very little appreciation for those types of jobs that they're doing that are just back-breaking labor.

01:33:59.000 There's very little appreciation in terms of what impact it would have on society if they didn't exist.

01:34:05.000 Imagine a world with no plumbers.

01:34:09.000 Imagine a world with no electricians. 0.99

01:34:12.000 You have no idea what the fuck is going on in that box. 0.98

01:34:14.000 You gotta call a guy. 0.99

01:34:16.000 Imagine a world with no carpenters.

01:34:18.000 How do we make a house?

01:34:19.000 We have to make our own house?

01:34:21.000 What?

01:34:21.000 No framers?

01:34:23.000 What?

01:34:23.000 No cement guy?

01:34:24.000 I gotta figure out how to mix cement? 0.99

01:34:25.000 What the fuck is talking—I gotta run a toilet line? 0.99

01:34:27.000 No, we're gonna make an outhouse. 1.00

01:34:29.000 We're gonna shit in a hole in the ground. 0.99

01:34:30.000 I'm gonna keep moving every six months. 1.00

01:34:32.000 Yeah, go down real quick.

01:34:34.000 Real quick.

01:34:35.000 But, you know, that's like teachers, right?

01:34:38.000 Teachers are—one of the most important parts of a child's development is the education they're exposed to when they're a child.

01:34:44.000 But we don't think about that As it being that valuable.

01:34:48.000 We don't pay them very much. 1.00

01:34:50.000 We treat them like shit. 1.00

01:34:52.000 It's not a great job in terms of the financial reward. 1.00

01:34:56.000 It's not very celebrated. 0.99

01:34:57.000 We only think about them when they suck. 0.99

01:34:59.000 We're only mad at them when they do something wrong. 0.99

01:35:02.000 Teachers are responsible.

01:35:03.000 I've had a lot of bad teachers.

01:35:04.000 Same with law enforcement, by the way. 0.97

01:35:05.000 Abso-fucking-lutely. 0.74

01:35:07.000 Well, I'm the opinion that most cops are good people. 0.91

01:35:11.000 That's why most interactions that people have with cops, I think cops are representative of human beings, and most human beings are good people.

01:35:18.000 Most.

01:35:19.000 The vast majority.

01:35:20.000 That's why you can go to the mall.

01:35:22.000 That's why, for the most part, without mass shootings, you can go to dinner at a restaurant, you can go, because most of the time, people are great.

01:35:30.000 Most of the time, even when they have disagreements, it's rare.

01:35:34.000 Unless you're hanging out in the wrong bars.

01:35:36.000 But most of the time, people are great.

01:35:38.000 And I think that's the case with everything.

01:35:41.000 I really do.

01:35:42.000 I agree with that.

01:35:43.000 I think that's the case with most things in life.

01:35:46.000 Do you think, though, going back to that, our jokes keep coming true and all this nonsense, do you think comedy's harder now or easier?

01:35:53.000 Is it a target-rich environment that's easier to make fun of, or do you think it's more challenging?

01:35:57.000 Well, you're going to get criticized more.

01:35:59.000 You know, but that's part of the job.

01:36:01.000 You know, this idea that comedy's under attack.

01:36:04.000 You know, it means...

01:36:06.000 It's just people's opinions.

01:36:08.000 They're expressing their opinions on something. 0.98

01:36:10.000 They think you suck or they think you're rude or they think this and that. 0.99

01:36:13.000 They're allowed to have opinions. 1.00

01:36:14.000 The problem is not that.

01:36:15.000 The problem is when you want to suppress a person's ability to say something that you would criticize.

01:36:21.000 That's where our problem lies.

01:36:23.000 Our problem doesn't lie in criticism of comedy.

01:36:25.000 I think that's important.

01:36:26.000 I think criticism in everything, and you might agree with it, you might disagree with it.

01:36:30.000 You might think that criticism is ridiculous.

01:36:32.000 It's completely out of context. 0.89

01:36:33.000 You're taking it out of line.

01:36:35.000 This is not what he's saying, and this is really what they're saying.

01:36:38.000 Or you could look at it and say, I agree.

01:36:43.000 It's valid. 0.99

01:36:44.000 I think that joke sucks. 0.99

01:36:45.000 I think that comedian's mean. 0.99

01:36:47.000 You're allowed to think that, too.

01:36:48.000 That's a part of being a person. 0.91

01:36:50.000 There's certain people that are so goddamn sensitive, they believe in microaggressions. 0.89

01:36:54.000 The slightest little look that someone can give you is, she's microaggressing me at work. 0.99

01:36:58.000 And you can go to your fucking human resources person and make a formal complaint that someone's enacting microaggressions. 0.99

01:37:04.000 Right. 0.99

01:37:05.000 And there's where the debate lies.

01:37:06.000 Is it better?

01:37:06.000 Is it better for society?

01:37:08.000 Is it healthier for us?

01:37:09.000 Is it better for that person if we mock that or if we coddle it?

01:37:13.000 It's not good to coddle that.

01:37:13.000 Do we mock it or do we coddle it?

01:37:15.000 Microaggressions are the best example.

01:37:16.000 It's not that to coddle. 0.99

01:37:17.000 If you say something really fucking dumb to a guy at the office, he should be able to go... 0.99

01:37:22.000 Okay, and just walk away. 1.00

01:37:24.000 Right.

01:37:24.000 That should be his right.

01:37:25.000 And if you want to go to Human Resources and say that, you know, you're going through a simulated pregnancy and he didn't support you, and you were telling him about how you're in the, you know, third trimester of your simulated pregnancy, and he's like, okay, and he just walks away,

01:37:41.000 and you've got a beard, and you have blue hair, and your name is Alice now, and for the last six months you've been Alice, and you've been pregnant.

01:37:47.000 What am I supposed to do?

01:37:49.000 You tell me what I'm supposed to do there.

01:37:50.000 I can't go, okay. 0.98

01:37:52.000 If you tell me that you're a fucking psychic, and that you're an intuitive, and that you're tuned into the world, you're an empath, and you're telling me all this, and you're getting together with a bunch of people that don't believe in possessions, and they're all polyamorous, and I go, Okay. 0.99

01:38:07.000 And I walk away. 1.00

01:38:08.000 It's the same goddamn thing. 0.99

01:38:09.000 You're saying something that's outside of the norm. 1.00

01:38:11.000 You're talking cuckoo talk.

01:38:13.000 You would have so many people who would argue with you and say that you have a moral obligation to affirm.

01:38:18.000 Affirm, affirm, affirm.

01:38:19.000 It's the right thing to do.

01:38:20.000 It's the compassion thing to do.

01:38:21.000 It's the loving thing to do.

01:38:22.000 It's affirm, affirm, affirm.

01:38:22.000 It's compelled speech.

01:38:23.000 Yeah.

01:38:24.000 Compelled speech is always dangerous.

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 It's always dangerous.

01:38:27.000 It is akin to...

01:38:29.000 I mean, that's the problem with some people who have the Pledge of Allegiance.

01:38:32.000 They think that's compelled speech.

01:38:33.000 But I think that's patriotism.

01:38:35.000 And I think, you know, with a good pledge of allegiance and a good idea of what we represent as a person, it's like a mantra that we can chant.

01:38:42.000 I could see their argument, though.

01:38:44.000 But I think that the proponents of compelled speech only want their side to win.

01:38:50.000 But what if it comes back against you, man?

01:38:52.000 That's Hitler. 1.00

01:38:53.000 That's fucking Mao. 1.00

01:38:54.000 That's Stalin. 0.99

01:38:55.000 When it comes back on you, and there's a dictator saying something you disagree with, but they're compelling you to say it, they're compelling you to do it, just because you think that it's a kind thing to do to transgender people, if you allow that right to exist in modern society, it will go into other things. 0.96

01:39:12.000 And if we go south, if something goes bad, if there's a civil war or a nuclear war with another country, and only half of us survive, and we get some hardcore Really fucking authoritarian type dictator running this country, 0.99

01:39:27.000 they will turn that shit on you. 1.00

01:39:29.000 And the idea that that's never going to happen is preposterous. 1.00

01:39:33.000 The idea that that can't happen.

01:39:34.000 It's happening right now in other parts of the world. 1.00

01:39:36.000 That shit could happen. 0.99

01:39:37.000 What's happening in China could happen here. 0.99

01:39:39.000 If we allow a centralized digital currency, and we allow a social credit score system, and shit goes south, and we have an uprising against the government, and so the government has to lock down and put more rules in place, and they decide whether you can and can't travel based on your tweets, 0.98

01:39:55.000 that shit could happen right here.

01:39:58.000 And the same sort of compelled speech that you would think would be compassionate towards causes that you support, the problem with that is that could be applied to almost anything. 0.99

01:40:07.000 And in worst case scenario circumstances, which is what we always have to think about.

01:40:12.000 And if you set a precedent for it being okay for the powers that be to enforce those rules, then what if the powers change?

01:40:18.000 And suddenly it's somebody who disagrees with you.

01:40:21.000 Or this is the problem that the left has.

01:40:24.000 The left is redefining things every moment.

01:40:26.000 The goalposts are shifting.

01:40:28.000 The goalposts are always shifting for what's acceptable and what's not.

01:40:32.000 You know, conservatives tend to conserve, right?

01:40:36.000 At least that's what they should be doing is preserving what they believe is true and good, right?

01:40:42.000 And the left also is going after what they think is true and good, but it's a moving target all the time.

01:40:48.000 And so when the target changes, all of a sudden your view that you tweeted out like a year ago is bigoted today.

01:40:53.000 Don't you think that's a classic power struggle, though?

01:40:58.000 I think that's a classic power struggle between people who are in power and people who want to be in power, and between two opposing parties. 0.99

01:41:05.000 If you made one team, you made them wear a blue jersey, and the other team, you make them wear a yellow jersey, the fucking yellow ones kind of kick the shit out of the blue ones. 0.99

01:41:13.000 Those blue ones are all pussies, and the blue ones think the yellow ones are going to quit. 1.00

01:41:17.000 That's just how people operate, man. 0.99

01:41:20.000 And if you give people an ideology, a rigid ideology, they can follow.

01:41:23.000 And this is my problem with calling yourself left or right. 0.99

01:41:26.000 There's a lot of shit on both sides I agree with. 0.98

01:41:28.000 But when you give yourself a rigid ideology, then you subscribe to that ideology. 1.00

01:41:34.000 That becomes you. 1.00

01:41:36.000 And then you defend it because you're defending your identity, you're defending your way of life against all these mindless hord of idiots. 1.00

01:41:44.000 But if you think it's true, then what's wrong with defending it? 1.00

01:41:46.000 If you think it's true, then you should stand by it.

01:41:48.000 The problem is when you have, it's not rigid.

01:41:50.000 That's not my point.

01:41:51.000 My point is that people just do this.

01:41:54.000 They just do this.

01:41:56.000 They just decide, I'm a conservative Christian.

01:41:58.000 I'm an atheist liberal.

01:42:00.000 People just decide things.

01:42:01.000 And then they find ideas within there that they can sort of espouse.

01:42:06.000 And the more you do it, the more you get love from your community.

01:42:09.000 And the more it kind of rationally makes sense to you.

01:42:11.000 And the more you vehemently oppose to anything that's opposed to that.

01:42:15.000 And the more you find the sworn enemy of the GOP. And everybody's like, yay!

01:42:19.000 And you got a rainbow on your Twitter flag.

01:42:21.000 Yay! 0.99

01:42:22.000 You're doing a great job.

01:42:23.000 You're doing the right thing.

01:42:24.000 You're getting all the right...

01:42:24.000 Or, on the other side, whatever conservative ideas that you attach yourself to, you'll only hook, line, and sinker buy into those, whether it's First Amendment, whether it's Second Amendment, whether it's whatever different issues, border control,

01:42:40.000 whatever different issues that people have.

01:42:41.000 And everyone loses all nuance.

01:42:43.000 Everyone is just fighting for one ideology or another ideology.

01:42:48.000 And then people switch. 0.99

01:42:49.000 How about those wild fucks? 1.00

01:42:50.000 They go, I've seen the error of my ways and I'm going to the other side. 0.98

01:42:54.000 And everyone's like, come on over, come on over.

01:42:56.000 And people get excited.

01:42:57.000 And then all of a sudden they have a completely different philosophy than they had just six or seven years ago.

01:43:01.000 Like you did when you went far right.

01:43:03.000 Yes.

01:43:04.000 That's what they say.

01:43:05.000 If you even defend freedom, liberty, freedom of speech, you're far right.

01:43:11.000 Yeah, well, I'm so left, it's hilarious.

01:43:13.000 To call me far right is preposterous. 1.00

01:43:16.000 You know, it's so dumb. 0.99

01:43:18.000 But I like guns. 0.98

01:43:19.000 You know, I believe that human beings should have the ability to defend their home and their property from bad people, because I think bad people are a real thing.

01:43:27.000 And I think this idea that you're going to somehow or another make the world a better place by getting rid of guns that are owned by law-abiding citizens and that the crime, the people that commit the crimes are going to follow those rules and they're not going to have guns anymore.

01:43:42.000 Well, you're talking about a population of guns that's larger than the population of humans.

01:43:47.000 That's a lot of guns to keep track of. 0.94

01:43:49.000 Do you guys have track of all the bullets?

01:43:51.000 You're still allowing people to make bullets?

01:43:53.000 What are you saying?

01:43:54.000 You want me to give up my guns for what reason? 1.00

01:43:57.000 And it's like, you fucking little dicks, you just want to keep your guns? 1.00

01:44:01.000 No, I want to stay alive. 1.00

01:44:02.000 I want to stay alive.

01:44:03.000 If it's between a bad person or me, I want to be the person that makes that decision. 0.94

01:44:07.000 I want to be the person who's trained in firearms, who knows what the fuck he's doing, and I don't want to be helpless.

01:44:14.000 But if guns are banned, then the bad guys won't have them, and then you won't have to defend yourself with them. 0.89

01:44:19.000 Yeah, we already made that argument.

01:44:20.000 It's just too many people, but the problem is not guns. 0.98

01:44:23.000 The problem is mentally ill people. 1.00

01:44:25.000 That's the problem. 0.98

01:44:26.000 The vast majority of people who have guns are just like the vast majority of most people.

01:44:30.000 They're good people.

01:44:31.000 I think that's across the board.

01:44:33.000 Our problem is with mental health.

01:44:35.000 I wrote a tweet about that once, that we have a gun problem.

01:44:38.000 We have a mental health problem described as a gun problem.

01:44:41.000 I agree with that.

01:44:42.000 That is what it is.

01:44:43.000 It's a mental health problem.

01:44:44.000 And you've got to dig it.

01:44:45.000 What's the root of that?

01:44:45.000 Where are we generating all this?

01:44:47.000 Why do we have a mental health crisis on our hands?

01:44:50.000 What are the root causes of that?

01:44:51.000 And dig into that.

01:44:52.000 And nobody wants to.

01:44:53.000 Well, they do that with population densities.

01:44:56.000 Population density rat studies they do.

01:44:58.000 Mirrors human behavior.

01:45:00.000 When they have rats, and there's a lot of room for the rats to roam around, they behave normal.

01:45:05.000 They behave like rats.

01:45:06.000 But as soon as you get too many rats into an area, they start developing all these weird ticks.

01:45:12.000 Some of them sit in a corner and rock themselves back and forth.

01:45:14.000 They become way more aggressive, way more conflict.

01:45:17.000 They start caring about what pronouns you use?

01:45:19.000 Bah! 1.00

01:45:22.000 There's too many different fucking opinions and ideas and humans. 1.00

01:45:27.000 That's what's causing a lot of what we're seeing right now. 0.99

01:45:30.000 And then it's compounded by social media because we're communicating in this ineffective way.

01:45:35.000 And also, a lot of people have been taught how to communicate in a kind way, in a friendly way.

01:45:42.000 How to have a conversation with someone that you disagree with and just talk to them like a genuine human being.

01:45:47.000 And try to see their perspective and try to find merit and steel man their perspective.

01:45:52.000 That's a very important thing for all human beings.

01:45:55.000 Like, if you're a person who's a liberal and you don't have any conservative friends, I feel bad for you.

01:46:00.000 If you're a person who's a conservative and you don't have any liberal friends, I feel bad for you.

01:46:03.000 Because you're not exposed to a variety of different people. 0.99

01:46:06.000 And there's some people that think ridiculous shit, but then they think really admirable shit. 0.99

01:46:09.000 And it might be the same person. 1.00

01:46:11.000 Well, and you may have some ideas that deserve to be challenged, that you should let go of, and they're never challenged because you never talk to anybody intelligent who has an opposing view that you might actually learn something from.

01:46:22.000 Yes.

01:46:23.000 Yeah, this is a strange time because I think there's almost too much to keep track of. 0.63

01:46:29.000 You know, there's a fucking hundred million streaming television shows.

01:46:32.000 There's so much content to be absorbed from the internet. 0.99

01:46:36.000 There's so much content.

01:46:37.000 And people are constantly being distracted, whether it's by social media, whether it's by real life.

01:46:42.000 And to form like concise opinions, to have like a real understanding of why you believe something and what you believe, it takes a lot of time.

01:46:52.000 And it takes these kind of conversations, and the way we have this conversation, like you and I, put our phones off, sit across each other, and talk.

01:47:00.000 And it's weird, because we're doing it for a podcast, it's like a way that we probably wouldn't do in real life.

01:47:06.000 If we were doing this in real life, we'd probably go to dinner, we'd probably have some food, and talk, and we'd laugh, we'd talk some shit, but we probably wouldn't get heavy into something like that.

01:47:14.000 Like whether it's abortion, or, you know, we would probably see a different perspective and just let it go. 0.93

01:47:21.000 Yeah, well you don't want to get contentious at dinner.

01:47:23.000 Exactly.

01:47:23.000 But the beautiful thing about the conversation we had was I don't even know if it was really considered contentious.

01:47:28.000 No.

01:47:28.000 We didn't see eye to eye on some aspects of it.

01:47:31.000 We do see eye to eye on other aspects of it.

01:47:33.000 That is what I think most of the country is on most things.

01:47:37.000 I think the problem is when people get rigid and they subscribe to only one ideology because they think they're supposed to.

01:47:44.000 And they don't formulate their own actual opinions on things.

01:47:47.000 And they don't want anyone else to be able to have a different opinion.

01:47:50.000 And that can happen on both sides, for sure.

01:47:52.000 Yes.

01:47:52.000 And that's where I'm in full support of you guys.

01:47:55.000 And I think what Twitter did is wrong.

01:47:57.000 I really do.

01:47:58.000 I think it's bad for them, too.

01:48:00.000 It's bad for their reputation.

01:48:01.000 It's bad for...

01:48:02.000 It's bad for goodwill.

01:48:03.000 You know, I think allowing conservative people to talk and joke around about stuff is just as important as allowing progressive people to make Trump memes. 0.97

01:48:12.000 I mean, you know, how many fucking hilarious comedy shit was made about Trump? 0.98

01:48:18.000 You know, it was great stuff. 0.99

01:48:19.000 You know, let me tell you, my favorite joke, actually, on that sheet that we were looking at for a moment was a Trump joke.

01:48:26.000 We did a joke about Trump in 2019. It said Trump.

01:48:31.000 And it was quoting him, I have done more for Christianity than Jesus himself.

01:48:35.000 And it's just like, you know, we're stuffing words in his mouth that he's never said.

01:48:39.000 That's hilarious.

01:48:40.000 We're playing off his ego.

01:48:41.000 You know, he's claiming to have done more for Christianity than Jesus himself.

01:48:43.000 Didn't he say nobody loves the Bible more than me?

01:48:45.000 Probably, yeah.

01:48:48.000 Didn't me and Whitney Cummings go over these things?

01:48:52.000 So, I mean, it was probably in the context of him saying that that we made this joke.

01:48:56.000 Who knows?

01:48:56.000 But anyway, this goes viral, right?

01:48:58.000 And people on the left are sharing it like crazy because they want to believe that he really said something like this.

01:49:02.000 They're just eating it up.

01:49:03.000 And so it goes mega viral, shared millions of times.

01:49:06.000 So Snopes gets involved and they fact check it and they made it false.

01:49:09.000 Like Trump never said this.

01:49:10.000 He did not claim to do more for Christianity than Jesus himself.

01:49:13.000 Then you fast forward to 2021. And he calls into some radio show, and he tells the host of this radio show that I've done more for Christianity and religion in general than any other person in history.

01:49:23.000 Oh, my God.

01:49:24.000 That's amazing.

01:49:25.000 So two years later, three years later, he's literally—and he took it a step further.

01:49:30.000 No!

01:49:31.000 Yeah, because he didn't say, I've done more.

01:49:32.000 Our joke was he'd done more for Christianity than Jesus. 0.50

01:49:35.000 He actually said he's done more for Christianity and religion, all religions, than any other person in history.

01:49:40.000 Okay.

01:49:41.000 He took it a step further.

01:49:43.000 So, I mean, I think it's a funny example for a couple reasons.

01:49:47.000 I mean, it got fact-checked.

01:49:48.000 You know, it was us making fun of Trump.

01:49:49.000 You know, we're always accused of being like, and I'm sure you're probably accused of being like a Trump supporter, even though you're like, you know, everybody, if you disagree with them on anything, they'll label you far right, they'll label you, they'll put you in Trump's camp, and there's no escaping that.

01:50:05.000 You know, you're aligned with him.

01:50:06.000 Right.

01:50:06.000 And we make these jokes about him, and...

01:50:09.000 They don't even realize we're joking about him because they think it's true.

01:50:12.000 And then it comes true.

01:50:13.000 It's just unbelievable.

01:50:14.000 Well, The Onion made a joke about Bernie Sanders supporting or accepting my endorsement that he shouldn't have done that because he shouldn't want to win.

01:50:25.000 Something was way better than what I just said.

01:50:27.000 I forget how it went, but it was hilarious.

01:50:30.000 Because that was the first thing that was canceled for, was saying I support Bernie Sanders.

01:50:35.000 Right.

01:50:35.000 And I'm like, how can you call me a Trump supporter when you say I support Bernie Sanders?

01:50:39.000 That's the dumbest fucking comparison ever. 1.00

01:50:41.000 It doesn't make any sense. 1.00

01:50:43.000 I supported Bernie's idea about taking a little bit of stock speculation, taking a small percentage of that, and using it For healthcare and student loans and all that shit. 0.96

01:50:55.000 And public education. 0.70

01:50:57.000 I'm like, that would be a brilliant idea.

01:50:59.000 It's a brilliant idea.

01:51:00.000 Because it's a fraction of a penny from each transaction.

01:51:03.000 Yeah.

01:51:03.000 It's amazing.

01:51:04.000 It's a great idea.

01:51:04.000 And he said it would generate an immense amount of money.

01:51:08.000 It wouldn't have an overall effect on the economy, he didn't believe.

01:51:11.000 I don't know if he's correct, because I'm not an economist. 0.99

01:51:13.000 I'd love to talk to an economist that would tell me that it's bullshit. 0.94

01:51:16.000 But it was a fascinating idea. 0.99

01:51:20.000 That's what I supported.

01:51:21.000 I'm like, that seems like a good idea.

01:51:22.000 Because in a lot of ways, I'm kind of a diehard hippie.

01:51:26.000 I really think that we could all get along together and do better.

01:51:29.000 But I'm also a realist when it comes to human nature and discipline and people's willingness to cave in to bad ideas and to self-loathing.

01:51:42.000 That's why I tell people, it seems like a trivial thing to exercise.

01:51:49.000 But I'm like, it's one of the most important things you're ever going to do.

01:51:51.000 Because it's hard to do.

01:51:52.000 And you need more hard physical things to do in your life.

01:51:56.000 Everybody does.

01:51:56.000 It keeps you robust.

01:51:58.000 It keeps your mind working well.

01:52:00.000 Resilient.

01:52:00.000 It keeps you resilient.

01:52:01.000 But more importantly than that, it's great for your mental health.

01:52:05.000 Because if you do something really fucking hard, it could be a 90-minute yoga class, a hot yoga class. 0.89

01:52:10.000 Those are the best. 0.96

01:52:12.000 If you do that, that's so fucking hard to do that the rest of your life will seem easier.

01:52:17.000 And that's what it's all about with people. 0.99

01:52:20.000 If you think about people that come from a really bad childhood and they have this incredible willpower, where the fuck do you think they got that from? 0.97

01:52:26.000 They got that from being beaten down. 0.98

01:52:28.000 And you can do that to yourself.

01:52:31.000 It applies to yourself.

01:52:33.000 And there's too many sedentary people in this country.

01:52:36.000 And those people are upset by almost everything. 1.00

01:52:38.000 Because their body is awash With fucking chemicals and hormones and corn syrup. 1.00

01:52:43.000 They don't know what the fuck they are. 1.00

01:52:45.000 They have no real foundation for who they are as a human. 1.00

01:52:49.000 They don't understand their human potential. 0.99

01:52:51.000 They've never pushed themselves past the boundary of where their inner bitch wanted them to quit. 1.00

01:52:56.000 That's important for you. 0.98

01:52:57.000 It is, yeah.

01:52:58.000 It's important for human beings.

01:52:59.000 For all human beings.

01:52:59.000 But you can't force that on anybody.

01:53:00.000 You can't force anyone to do it.

01:53:01.000 No, but you can encourage people to do it.

01:53:03.000 Right, you can incentivize it.

01:53:04.000 You can tell, well...

01:53:07.000 Incentivize it how?

01:53:09.000 I don't know.

01:53:10.000 I'm not saying I offer a disincentive that would be a penalty if you don't do it, but incentivize it positively somehow.

01:53:18.000 A lot of workplaces are trying to incentivize getting healthy.

01:53:20.000 That's a good move.

01:53:21.000 They'll give you some kind of benefit for if you work out, if you use the gym.

01:53:24.000 And then the people that don't work out claim discrimination.

01:53:29.000 Like, you're fat shaming me.

01:53:30.000 I have a hormone problem. 1.00

01:53:32.000 Yeah, you probably do have a hormone problem if you fucking eat terrible food and get to be 600 pounds. 1.00

01:53:37.000 You're gonna have a hormone problem. 1.00

01:53:38.000 You're gonna have a lot of problems.

01:53:39.000 Your whole body's dying.

01:53:40.000 Cholesterol problem.

01:53:41.000 Yeah, you got a lot of issues. 0.99

01:53:42.000 How stupid, though, that you mentioned that was like the initial cancel attempt on you because you voted for Bernie Sanders or you supported, you endorsed him, right? 0.99

01:53:50.000 It's like, Imagine going to a comedy show and you see there's a comedian and you've heard of him and it's supposed to be a funny show. 0.99

01:54:00.000 So you go to buy tickets and then you want to know first off, wait a minute, who did this guy vote for?

01:54:05.000 How is that relevant to whether or not you're going to enjoy the show?

01:54:07.000 I want people to ask that question.

01:54:08.000 Who cares?

01:54:09.000 No, no, no.

01:54:09.000 It's important because if you want that answer, I don't want you showing up.

01:54:13.000 Right.

01:54:13.000 I want that.

01:54:14.000 Ask that question, please.

01:54:16.000 Ask who I voted for. 1.00

01:54:17.000 I know, but it's just the stupidest question. 1.00

01:54:18.000 It's a great question. 1.00

01:54:19.000 Weed those people out, I guess. 0.87

01:54:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:54:20.000 But, I mean, what a stupid thing to be like, what, you're not going to laugh at his jokes if he voted for someone that you don't like? 0.99

01:54:26.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:54:26.000 His jokes are funny or not, you know? 0.99

01:54:28.000 Yes.

01:54:28.000 Exactly.

01:54:29.000 They stand on their own.

01:54:29.000 They're funny or not.

01:54:30.000 And that is what we're supposed to be doing.

01:54:32.000 And this, who do you support?

01:54:36.000 I don't want to support who you support.

01:54:38.000 That was one of the crazy things after Biden won, where people were calling for blacklists of people who supported Trump, people who publicly endorsed Trump or talked about Trump.

01:54:48.000 They were talking about making them unhirable.

01:54:49.000 I'm like, do you know how crazy that is?

01:54:50.000 Accountability Project, they called it or something like that.

01:54:52.000 But you know how crazy that is to do to fellow Americans, to try to remove their livelihood? 0.88

01:54:57.000 You're coercing them into...

01:54:58.000 That's a disincentive.

01:55:01.000 You're penalizing them for not going along with what you want.

01:55:03.000 Where do you think this is going?

01:55:04.000 Do you think the children are going to suffer?

01:55:06.000 The person's going to lose their job?

01:55:07.000 What if they become homeless?

01:55:08.000 What is going to happen?

01:55:10.000 What kind of a physical abuse is going to happen to these people?

01:55:13.000 What horrible things are you enacting on people that are a part of that person?

01:55:21.000 Who knows what kind of devastating effect that's going to have on the rest of their family?

01:55:24.000 What if that person commits suicide?

01:55:26.000 What if because they lost their job, because they got canceled, because they supported Trump? 1.00

01:55:29.000 That's real shit. 1.00

01:55:30.000 People have killed themselves for very minor attacks on Twitter. 1.00

01:55:35.000 I mean, some people are very vulnerable, and if you want to be this super sensitive, woke, kind, compassionate person, you're supposed to apply that to everybody, okay?

01:55:43.000 You're not supposed to only apply that to people whose opinions agree and align perfectly with yours.

01:55:49.000 You're supposed to look at people that are Trump supporters or whatever supporter they are that you disagree with, DeSantis supporters, and you're supposed to find common ground with them and find out why do they like that person and And try to have a communication line with them where you're both being kind and friendly and just trying to talk about stuff.

01:56:06.000 Well, you're certainly going to have better success if your goal is to change their mind.

01:56:10.000 You're going to have a lot better success treating them as a person than vilifying them and calling them names.

01:56:15.000 Right, but punishing them by removing their livelihood.

01:56:18.000 Because they, maybe in your eyes, were incorrect about their political support.

01:56:23.000 That's crazy.

01:56:24.000 That sounds more like fascism.

01:56:26.000 It is fascism.

01:56:27.000 Yeah.

01:56:27.000 I mean, pull up the definition of fascism.

01:56:31.000 Because a lot of times it gets equated to the right, but I don't think it's supposed to be.

01:56:35.000 I think it's supposed to be whoever's in charge.

01:56:36.000 Like if Mao was on the left.

01:56:39.000 State authority.

01:56:40.000 And it's going to have to do with state authority.

01:56:42.000 And so they're going to try to differentiate it from fascism by saying, well, you're just being held accountable for your actions by people who don't want, you know, it's the market working.

01:56:48.000 It's Right, but you're doing that at the benefit of the state.

01:56:52.000 You're an actor for the left-wing party.

01:56:55.000 That's what you're doing if you're penalizing people for—they're going to lose their job.

01:57:00.000 They need to show, by the way, the last date this definition was edited because they change these things all the time.

01:57:04.000 But look at this part.

01:57:05.000 A tendency towards or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

01:57:13.000 Mm-hmm.

01:57:13.000 Early instances of army fascism and brutality.

01:57:17.000 Forcible suppression of opposition.

01:57:19.000 Yeah.

01:57:20.000 There it is.

01:57:21.000 I mean, that's part of the definition.

01:57:24.000 Yeah.

01:57:25.000 Okay.

01:57:25.000 A political philosophy, movement, or regime such as that of fascist...

01:57:29.000 Fascist-y?

01:57:31.000 Fascist-y? 1.00

01:57:32.000 Oh, goddamn these fucking problems. 1.00

01:57:34.000 They always get you. 1.00

01:57:35.000 They're like, ooh, not right now, bitch. 1.00

01:57:38.000 That exalts nation and often race above the individual. 1.00

01:57:42.000 Well, there you go.

01:57:43.000 It stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. 1.00

01:57:49.000 That easily could be the leader of a fucking social media platform. 0.99

01:57:53.000 Severe economic and social regimentation. 0.99

01:57:58.000 Equality of outcome and forcible suppression of opposition.

01:58:03.000 Banning you from social media for disagreeing.

01:58:05.000 Right.

01:58:06.000 Banning you and forcing you out of your job for disagreeing.

01:58:10.000 It's aligned with that type of thinking.

01:58:14.000 It's a control-based, problematic thing that we've always agreed leads to horrible results.

01:58:21.000 It doesn't lead to good results if it's applied to a good cause.

01:58:24.000 It's still a bad philosophy.

01:58:26.000 It's still a bad thing to completely discourage or attack opposition like that and make it so that they can't talk. 0.97

01:58:35.000 It's not good for anybody, and I know it's not dictatorial in terms of it's not actually the government, but god damn, they're so in line with them.

01:58:43.000 It's so obvious that they'll do things that benefit the side that they want to, and that's never been more clearly expressed than during the Hunter Biden time. 0.99

01:58:52.000 That's wild shit, man. 0.99

01:58:54.000 Leading up to an election, you're insulating your preferred candidate from criticism. 1.00

01:58:59.000 And it's the New York Post.

01:59:00.000 That's where it's wild.

01:59:02.000 It's one of the oldest newspapers in the country.

01:59:04.000 That is a long-established newspaper. 1.00

01:59:07.000 Yeah, they talk a lot of shit. 1.00

01:59:08.000 They have funny headlines. 1.00

01:59:09.000 But it's New York.

01:59:10.000 You kind of have to have funny headlines.

01:59:12.000 It's part of the charm of those papers.

01:59:13.000 Jack Dorsey came out and said they messed that up, right?

01:59:15.000 Didn't he make a statement and say Twitter messed that one up?

01:59:17.000 Jack Dorsey is a different animal than Twitter itself.

01:59:19.000 He really is.

01:59:21.000 Jack Dorsey is an interesting guy, very thoughtful guy, and I think it's great that he stepped down, he stepped away from Twitter.

01:59:29.000 His philosophy is that it should be decentralized, and he's working towards doing something like that now.

01:59:36.000 Yeah, something new.

01:59:37.000 Yeah, he also wanted to...

01:59:39.000 I mean, he had an idea that wasn't popular amongst the other people at Twitter.

01:59:43.000 He wanted to have a Wild West Twitter.

01:59:44.000 He wanted to have a regular Twitter, and then they're like, whee, 4chan Twitter.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:49.000 That would have been crazy.

01:59:51.000 I wonder which one would have been popular. 0.99

01:59:53.000 If there was no, like, suppression of Wild West Twitter, that would have been where everybody was fucking shooting guns. 0.97

01:59:58.000 I mean, are we talking, like, even unlawful speech? 0.94

02:00:02.000 No, I think they were always going to have no doxing.

02:00:05.000 Because Fortune has stuff like that.

02:00:07.000 No doxing, no calls to violence.

02:00:12.000 I mean, the First Amendment doesn't protect all speech.

02:00:15.000 Right.

02:00:16.000 That's really in line with the First Amendment.

02:00:18.000 I think that was the idea behind it.

02:00:19.000 That they were going to have your ability to express yourself.

02:00:25.000 Regardless of the language you use. 0.60

02:00:26.000 What's wild about Twitter is you can show porn.

02:00:29.000 It's really wild. 0.84

02:00:30.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:00:31.000 The content moderation should be – the idea behind giving them immunity to moderate content was to be able to take down things that are like objectively indecent or lewd or obscene.

02:00:41.000 You know, like content that like – Well, I think it was mostly to protect people first.

02:00:44.000 I think it was more about doxing and harassment.

02:00:46.000 I mean, it's all in there.

02:00:47.000 It's in the language of Section 230. Right, but that's where they started it.

02:00:49.000 They started it in response to doxing harassment.

02:00:52.000 They didn't respond to pornography.

02:00:53.000 But all that stuff is there.

02:00:54.000 Yeah, but they don't have a problem with that.

02:00:56.000 They don't have a problem with pornography.

02:00:58.000 It's very interesting because, like, I follow...

02:01:00.000 They don't have a problem with harassment either, by the way.

02:01:02.000 I mean, look at libs of TikTok.

02:01:04.000 And, like, libs of TikTok will simply showcase, like, what's happening.

02:01:08.000 They'll post a video of something.

02:01:10.000 They'll say, oh, there's this family-friendly drag show coming up, you know, like, and this is a flyer that's being publicly advertised, you know?

02:01:17.000 And then they will go hard like doxing and intimidating and trying to harass and shut up this account that's drawing negative attention to things that they don't want to receive negative attention.

02:01:28.000 It's like they're doing what they say you shouldn't be allowed to do, but it's justified when they do it because they don't like the activity or the speech of the person that's saying it.

02:01:37.000 See, the thing about Libs and TikTok is people look at it and then they make this defense. 0.86

02:01:41.000 And this defense is this is not indicative of the greater whole of educators or of liberals.

02:01:49.000 You found an egregious example of a far left loon and everybody is now going to attack everyone in that group.

02:01:59.000 But that's not, you can't, but it's not, it's not like what libs of TikToks is posting is fake.

02:02:06.000 Right, it's not.

02:02:06.000 This is the thing.

02:02:07.000 These are real.

02:02:08.000 Yeah.

02:02:08.000 And they're much more prevalent than people realize.

02:02:11.000 Well, we're dealing with a lot of humans.

02:02:13.000 Yeah.

02:02:13.000 That's the other problem.

02:02:14.000 We're dealing with 330 whatever million people we have in this country. 0.99

02:02:17.000 You're gonna find a lot of really ridiculous people. 0.93

02:02:19.000 And if you highlight those really ridiculous people, it does have the unintended consequence of forcing people into thinking that's happening everywhere around them. 0.95

02:02:27.000 And then people who are not doing anything remotely like that get lumped into that same group.

02:02:32.000 That's what people are scared of.

02:02:34.000 And their overreach to do that is to ban the word groomers.

02:02:39.000 Right.

02:02:40.000 Their overreach is to stop your ability to express yourself.

02:02:43.000 The overreach is to ban libs of TikTok.

02:02:45.000 That would be the overreach.

02:02:46.000 Well, the way that they lump themselves into the group, like libs of TikTok won't explicitly lump everyone into the group.

02:02:51.000 They'll just showcase the content.

02:02:52.000 Yes.

02:02:53.000 But they will lump themselves into it by defending.

02:02:56.000 Those things.

02:02:57.000 They'll say, well, why can't a teacher talk to children about sex and gender?

02:03:01.000 Why can't they demand that they be addressed by certain pronouns?

02:03:04.000 Why can't they be the confidant that children come to because their parents won't accept them for who they are?

02:03:11.000 So they're the mom and dad now, and they're going to be loving and affirming of that child.

02:03:16.000 They defend it.

02:03:17.000 So they come and defend it.

02:03:18.000 So it's not like these are outliers that they're saying, oh, no, no, we want nothing to do with that.

02:03:22.000 We don't believe in that.

02:03:24.000 They actually defend it hard.

02:03:26.000 They go in hard defending it.

02:03:27.000 Media Matters, all these people, they go in hard.

02:03:29.000 And they suggest- And defend, what are they defending?

02:03:31.000 They're defending the insane videos and the behavior that's exhibited in insane videos.

02:03:35.000 I think we have to talk about that on a specific case-by-case basis because some of the videos, those people are insane.

02:03:41.000 Like the thing they are saying is insane.

02:03:43.000 I would like to see if they defended that.

02:03:45.000 I mean, I gave a couple examples.

02:03:47.000 They'll defend, for example, teachers coming out to their children and talking about sex and gender, talking to them about critical race theory and how white kids should – giving kids an assignment where the white kids have to move to the back of the room and the black kids move to the front to separate them and show how white kids are privileged. 0.65

02:04:05.000 Now we're going to have the blacks at the front and the white kids need to be quiet right now. 0.99

02:04:09.000 Are they doing that in classes? 0.96

02:04:10.000 Yes, they're doing that in classes.

02:04:11.000 Wait a minute.

02:04:12.000 What classes are they doing that where they make all the white kids sit in the back of the room? 1.00

02:04:16.000 It was an assignment.

02:04:17.000 That seems like racial discrimination.

02:04:18.000 So it was one assignment for like one day?

02:04:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:20.000 But they defend this stuff.

02:04:21.000 And we did one.

02:04:22.000 We actually highlighted one of them.

02:04:23.000 Okay, but if you wanted a kid to feel like what it would feel like if you were a black child living in the early 60s, if you wanted to express how wrong that is, wouldn't you do it that way? 0.98

02:04:35.000 Like, for an exercise, you're not talking about, like, if this was like every day, I would say that is fucking crazy racial discrimination. 0.94

02:04:41.000 But for an exercise, to let kids, white kids, know what it would have been like, to let everybody know, even the black, hold on, even the black kids, to let them know what it would be like. 0.92

02:04:50.000 Let's imagine, if this was 1963, this is how we would have to do it.

02:04:54.000 Okay, so I want all the white kids to sit back there and all the black kids to sit here. 0.99

02:04:58.000 And then you would say, See how terrible that would be? 0.87

02:05:00.000 If I treated you only by something you have zero control over, what your ethnicity is, and not by the color of your skin or the content of your character, as Martin Luther King would want you to do it.

02:05:10.000 And then you could actually bring the kids together with an understanding that at one point in time, there was horrific racism, and it was prevalent all throughout America, and that people like Rosa Parks did have to sit at the front of the bus and get arrested so that people understood that this was going on, that people did have to sit at that counter.

02:05:27.000 And let people know that this is a real thing that's going on, and this is contrary to the way we should all feel about human beings.

02:05:36.000 I agree with that 100%.

02:05:37.000 If the lessons were ever framed in the context of the content of your character matters more than the color of your skin, then it would be totally different.

02:05:45.000 How do you know they're not, though?

02:05:45.000 Because we're looking at the lesson materials, like what's being exposed.

02:05:50.000 It's a lesson where it's talking about how white people are privileged.

02:05:54.000 It's all about white guilt. 0.99

02:05:56.000 It's all about whites are an oppressive race. 1.00

02:05:59.000 They're privileged. 0.99

02:06:01.000 And to acknowledge your privilege, you need to do it.

02:06:03.000 So they're teaching about a present issue.

02:06:06.000 But a lot of it is about the history of slavery.

02:06:09.000 That's the reason why they're doing it that way.

02:06:11.000 No, no, no, no.

02:06:11.000 These are critical race theory lessons that are trying to say that you are – that currently in our current system, the current system privileges white people and not black people.

02:06:21.000 You're guilty just because of your skin color for being white and you need to be quiet right now. 1.00

02:06:26.000 But it's because of the history of slavery, right? 0.58

02:06:29.000 That's how they look at it.

02:06:30.000 Well, that's how they look at it.

02:06:30.000 This is the example.

02:06:32.000 But they're not suggesting that all that matters is your character, not your skin color.

02:06:35.000 They're suggesting your skin color matters very, very much.

02:06:38.000 I understand what you're saying.

02:06:39.000 But what I was saying was I could see how that exercise would work.

02:06:42.000 Yeah.

02:06:43.000 That's why I was saying it that way.

02:06:44.000 If you had a really good teacher and they explained it in that way.

02:06:47.000 I think it'd be less objectionable for sure.

02:06:49.000 You would say, this shouldn't be the case with white people in the back.

02:06:52.000 It should be the case with no one.

02:06:54.000 You should be judged as an individual.

02:06:56.000 How about one Libs of TikTok did where kids...

02:06:58.000 Kindergarteners.

02:06:59.000 Kindergarteners.

02:06:59.000 What's that?

02:07:00.000 Age five?

02:07:01.000 Kindergarteners.

02:07:01.000 Yeah.

02:07:02.000 Six?

02:07:02.000 Five, six.

02:07:03.000 Six first grade.

02:07:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:05.000 Sent home with a masturbation assignment. 0.99

02:07:07.000 What? 0.99

02:07:08.000 The masturbation assignment was to find a private place in your home where you can touch yourself without being disturbed. 0.99

02:07:13.000 Is that real? 0.99

02:07:14.000 Real. 1.00

02:07:14.000 Jesus fucking... 1.00

02:07:16.000 I might have retweeted that and I'm saying, what? 1.00

02:07:18.000 What?

02:07:18.000 Masturbation assignment for kindergarteners.

02:07:20.000 I mean, this kind of stuff, it's like...

02:07:22.000 Shocked but not, because I did read this one thing where they were talking about kids that were preteens, and they were describing different ways that people have sex.

02:07:32.000 And I'm like, I just don't necessarily think that's your place.

02:07:36.000 It's a complex thing that I don't necessarily want taught by someone who I don't even know.

02:07:41.000 I don't know what you're like.

02:07:42.000 I don't know how you're going to say this.

02:07:45.000 Are you going to say this in a way that's promoting a certain thing?

02:07:48.000 What are you going to do?

02:07:49.000 Because children are very malleable, and most people want to be the ones, other than the world itself, but in terms of authority figures that are explaining things, you don't want someone explaining things to your kid that you absolutely don't agree with.

02:08:04.000 Right, or that you don't think they're ready for yet.

02:08:06.000 Yes, and you don't want that...

02:08:07.000 It should happen on your timing. 0.99

02:08:08.000 You want it to be, look, I've had some great teachers, but I also had some fucking dummies. 1.00

02:08:12.000 Some real dummies that said some stupid shit to me, you know? 1.00

02:08:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:17.000 I remember, I mean, a teacher kicking me out of the room, telling the class, don't laugh, because he's never going to amount to anything. 1.00

02:08:24.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:24.000 Like, Mr. Rogan's never going to amount to anything.

02:08:26.000 And I remember like, why would you say that to a fucking eight-year-old? 0.99

02:08:29.000 Now, did you internalize that? 0.99

02:08:30.000 Is all of this, is this, your whole trajectory now in your career is to stick it to that teacher?

02:08:35.000 I definitely remember her.

02:08:35.000 I'd be like, ha ha.

02:08:36.000 But it was me cracking a joke in class.

02:08:39.000 But the whole point is like you shouldn't say that to kids. 0.99

02:08:42.000 If you're a fucking teacher, you shouldn't say to a kid, you're never gonna amount to anything. 0.99

02:08:46.000 That's a crazy thing to say to a kid. 1.00

02:08:48.000 Not your place.

02:08:48.000 That's messed up.

02:08:48.000 Now that I think about it, I think I was 14. But it's not a thing that you should say to a kid.

02:08:53.000 It's a rude, shitty thing and if you're an adult and that's what they're gonna get from you, that's crazy. 0.98

02:08:59.000 That's crazy talk. 0.91

02:09:00.000 And that is a problem with And expressing any complex ideas that may have a very nuanced...

02:09:09.000 There's nuance to all of those conversations.

02:09:14.000 And you might not want this person who's not that bright, not that good at expressing themselves, and very biased, to explain something to your kid that's going to cause an argument at home.

02:09:25.000 Because then the kid's going to bring something up, and you're going to be like, where did you hear this from?

02:09:28.000 Or to tell your kid that, you know what, you don't have to confide in your parents about this.

02:09:32.000 Don't tell your parents about this.

02:09:33.000 Come to me about these issues.

02:09:34.000 That's where it gets crazy.

02:09:35.000 That is grooming behavior.

02:09:37.000 And you can't even call it that anymore.

02:09:39.000 But it is.

02:09:40.000 I mean, that follows right in the definition of it.

02:09:42.000 You're most certainly tutoring someone towards your perspective.

02:09:46.000 Yeah.

02:09:46.000 You're most certainly influencing them.

02:09:48.000 Well, and you're positioning yourself as a mentor and confidant.

02:09:51.000 Right.

02:09:51.000 You know, somebody that they can trust more than their own parents.

02:09:54.000 Right. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Yes, and maybe their parents are dicks, right? 1.00

02:09:56.000 So maybe you can get a leg up on the parents. 1.00

02:09:59.000 They like you even more than the parents.

02:10:01.000 It's a weird thing because children are so influenced.

02:10:06.000 They're so easily influenced by their environment.

02:10:08.000 Children are so malleable, dependent upon the area they grow up in.

02:10:13.000 They'll have different personalities or different accents, rather.

02:10:16.000 They'll have different things that they gravitate towards, different sports because the community enjoys them.

02:10:22.000 Kids are so goddamn malleable with almost everything. 0.97

02:10:26.000 They're malleable with religion. 0.99

02:10:27.000 I think that's why this transgender craze, and it is a craze, it's legitimately a craze, the numbers are off the charts with all these young people that are now identifying as either non-binary or some other gender. 0.98

02:10:38.000 That's Abigail Schreier's position on it. 0.96

02:10:45.000 Right.

02:10:47.000 Right.

02:10:48.000 Right.

02:10:54.000 Well, the idea that we're not influencing kids is ridiculous because we influence them with everything, you know?

02:10:59.000 I mean, this is one of the arguments about violent movies, right?

02:11:02.000 Or violent video games.

02:11:03.000 We're influencing kids.

02:11:04.000 Violent songs.

02:11:05.000 Don't play Ozzy Osbourne backwards. 1.00

02:11:07.000 Remember all that shit? 0.99

02:11:08.000 The whole reason for like a parental guidance warning on a rap album from like the 1980s when Tipper Gore was promoting that shit, the whole reason is you're influencing kids. 1.00

02:11:19.000 That's the whole reason. 0.96

02:11:20.000 The whole reason is, like, if you're an adult, you can go to the R movie.

02:11:23.000 But I don't want a 17-year-old seeing it because it'll influence the kid. 1.00

02:11:27.000 It'll fuck with you. 1.00

02:11:28.000 You can go to R movies at 17. Oh, is it 16? 1.00

02:11:30.000 16, you can.

02:11:31.000 16?

02:11:32.000 Well, NC-17.

02:11:33.000 Fact check.

02:11:33.000 I'm thinking of NC-17, right?

02:11:35.000 NC-17, you have to be over 17 to go.

02:11:38.000 Right?

02:11:39.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:11:40.000 Yeah, it's, uh, the whole thing is, you know, it's just no one wants to look at both sides of it.

02:11:47.000 No one wants to look at both sides of it.

02:11:50.000 Everyone wants to think that you have to like buy wholesale all the ideas of either the left or the right Depending upon which group you align with which group you decide you align with that's where it gets weird with people because if you're like a progressive open-minded compassionate person and then you watch two professors having a conversation about kids under 13 should be forced to have sex and Because we force them to do a lot of other things.

02:12:18.000 We force them to clean their room.

02:12:20.000 They do a lot of things they don't do. 0.98

02:12:21.000 Why shouldn't we force them to have sex? 1.00

02:12:22.000 That's a real conversation I saw on Libs and TikTok. 0.99

02:12:25.000 That's fucking wild that they're trying to make an intellectual argument about whether or not children should be forced to have sex and about how they've been that way throughout human history. 0.97

02:12:38.000 Like this arbitrary age that we put on people. 0.98

02:12:41.000 I think it should concern us more than anything else, this effort to stamp out not just the dissent, not just the different opinions, but the jokes.

02:12:50.000 It's the jokes.

02:12:51.000 You know, like the fact that we can't joke about this stuff is really disconcerting.

02:12:55.000 And I know you can't.

02:12:56.000 I mean, you know, your show is, you know, it's the censorship from these platforms that are hosting your content that you put them onto.

02:13:07.000 I think our ability to be able to laugh at these things that deserve to be laughed at, it's so vitally important for the health of society that we not stop that and shut that down.

02:13:17.000 I agree.

02:13:17.000 I think it's super important.

02:13:19.000 I couldn't agree more.

02:13:20.000 It's very important whether you agree with those people or not.

02:13:23.000 You've got to have discussions.

02:13:25.000 Oh, I mean, both sides deserve more mockery than they're currently receiving.

02:13:28.000 Yes.

02:13:28.000 Both sides deserve more.

02:13:29.000 We need more Babylon Beasts. 0.97

02:13:30.000 We need more of them.

02:13:31.000 There should be more entering the space and feeling free to say what they want to say rather than everyone learning that, oh, if you follow in the Babylon Beasts footsteps, you're going to get shut up. 0.99

02:13:40.000 And I'm glad you guys mocked Trump, because if you didn't mock Trump, I mean, if you didn't mock some of the more ridiculous shit that guy says, you know, it's like... 0.98

02:13:47.000 We mock everybody. 0.99

02:13:48.000 He's well open for it, just as Biden is well open for it. 1.00

02:13:53.000 If you stop people from mocking Biden being old as being ageist, you're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:13:59.000 Right. 1.00

02:13:59.000 He's the leader of the goddamn free world, and he's shaking hands with ghosts. 1.00

02:14:02.000 Right. 1.00

02:14:03.000 Like, this is wild. 1.00

02:14:04.000 This is wild shit we're seeing in real time. 1.00

02:14:07.000 And if you tell me that's off the table, you're out of your mind. 1.00

02:14:10.000 You're out of your mind.

02:14:10.000 Oh, you're a MAGA supporter if you talk about those things.

02:14:14.000 Oh, really?

02:14:15.000 How about you just see in reality? 1.00

02:14:16.000 This is fucking crazy. 0.99

02:14:17.000 If you see one of them Kamala Harris speeches, which is like, time is the passage of time based on seconds and then minutes. 0.99

02:14:25.000 The significance of the passage of time.

02:14:28.000 Significance in one day.

02:14:29.000 If you don't mock that, you're not paying attention.

02:14:32.000 Her comments she just made about the space telescope that we put out there.

02:14:35.000 She was like, I had a very intellectual response to these images when I first saw them.

02:14:40.000 And it was, wow.

02:14:43.000 An intellectual response she had.

02:14:45.000 Well, I think she's probably joking.

02:14:47.000 No, no, no.

02:14:47.000 She was dead serious.

02:14:48.000 She was dead serious.

02:14:51.000 She went on about how space is, you know, we've accomplished this, we've done something, and now we need to continue doing something, because space, we accomplished it, and now we need to also continue to accomplish it.

02:15:02.000 What are you saying?

02:15:03.000 Does she not have a script that she can follow? 0.99

02:15:05.000 Can someone not write a speech out for her that she can just read?

02:15:08.000 Well, people keep quitting.

02:15:10.000 Hasn't she had, like, a shit ton of people quit?

02:15:12.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.76

02:15:13.000 It's like a nutty number, right?

02:15:15.000 How many people have quit?

02:15:16.000 I don't know.

02:15:16.000 I've seen articles about staffers just, you know, dropping like flies.

02:15:19.000 Find out how many staffers.

02:15:20.000 Maybe they just let her make her own speeches. 0.97

02:15:22.000 Like, you go.

02:15:23.000 Go ahead, do your own thing.

02:15:24.000 She's got a teleprompter at all these events.

02:15:26.000 Maybe she doesn't want to.

02:15:27.000 She can just read it.

02:15:27.000 Maybe she wants a free ball.

02:15:28.000 Maybe she's working on her act.

02:15:31.000 It's awesome, though.

02:15:32.000 Well, what it is, is it shows you whether or not a person's real.

02:15:37.000 Because a real person has real ideas.

02:15:39.000 Like, if a person is actually just trying to be themselves and tell you this is my take on things, you'll get that from their words.

02:15:45.000 But when they just say nonsense, it's because they're not being real.

02:15:48.000 There's nothing there at all.

02:15:49.000 Staff Exodus continues as top advisor, speechwriter.

02:15:53.000 Oh, there you go.

02:15:54.000 She lost her speechwriter.

02:15:56.000 That's recently.

02:15:57.000 So how many people have left?

02:15:58.000 That's the answer.

02:15:59.000 Does it say?

02:16:01.000 Speech writer was also departing after fewer than four months on a job.

02:16:05.000 Can you imagine? 0.86

02:16:05.000 You write this fucking groovy speech, make her look like a wizard, and she goes up there, the time that we're enjoying is different than the time of other times, where people were not enjoying their time. 0.86

02:16:18.000 13 key staffers have left the VP's team in as many months, including chief of staff, chief spokesperson, deputy press secretary, deputy chief of staff, communications director, director of digital strategies, director of advanced, 0.98

02:16:35.000 director of...

02:16:37.000 What is that?

02:16:38.000 Advanced...

02:16:38.000 Director of Advance.

02:16:40.000 Oh, Director of Advance.

02:16:41.000 Deputy Director of Advance.

02:16:43.000 Director of Press Operations.

02:16:45.000 Deputy Director of Public Engagement.

02:16:48.000 Speechwriting Director.

02:16:50.000 Oh my god.

02:16:51.000 National Security Advisor. 1.00

02:16:53.000 Everybody's like, fuck this, I'm out of here. 0.99

02:16:55.000 Now, is that when it says they left, does that mean that they mean they resigned, all of them? 0.99

02:17:00.000 They got out of there.

02:17:01.000 Or were some of them let go?

02:17:02.000 That's a good question.

02:17:04.000 I don't know.

02:17:05.000 Yeah, I think when they say left, they meant quit.

02:17:08.000 Otherwise it would be fired.

02:17:10.000 She's like a female Trump. 1.00

02:17:11.000 You're fired, Jetson!

02:17:13.000 Right.

02:17:15.000 The whole thing is wild, man, because it's like that is the type of person that can't speak.

02:17:21.000 They can't just speak about their position on ideas.

02:17:24.000 No. 1.00

02:17:24.000 They've got to kind of dance around with bullshit because they're bullshitting you, right? 1.00

02:17:28.000 Like if that was Tulsi Gabbard and you asked her to give her opinion. 1.00

02:17:32.000 She'd give you a thoughtful...

02:17:33.000 A very thoughtful, very well phrased response about any particular important issue because she actually thinks about them and she formulates her own independent opinion.

02:17:44.000 She's impressive. 0.97

02:17:44.000 She's very impressive. 0.97

02:17:45.000 She formulates her own independent opinion of those things.

02:17:49.000 And that's what's terrifying to her, about her rather, that's what's terrifying about her to the government.

02:17:55.000 You can't control her.

02:17:56.000 You can't just tell her to play ball.

02:17:58.000 She actually has ethics. 0.94

02:17:59.000 And she actually has a very clear opinion on things.

02:18:03.000 And she's not willing to go along with the hive mind.

02:18:06.000 I gotta tell you another joke that came true.

02:18:08.000 It was about how Kamala's staff was hiring Hillary Clinton's staff as consultants to try to make Kamala more likable. 1.00

02:18:19.000 It's like the last person in the world you go to for likability is Hillary Clinton.

02:18:23.000 And then it came true.

02:18:25.000 A month later, a report came out that her staff had reached out to Hillary Clinton's staff to try to figure out how they could make Kamala Harris more likable. 1.00

02:18:34.000 It's a month later.

02:18:35.000 Well, imagine, though.

02:18:36.000 Why Hillary Clinton? 0.99

02:18:37.000 Who goes to Hillary Clinton for likability lessons? 1.00

02:18:39.000 This is why.

02:18:40.000 You don't go to Hillary Clinton.

02:18:41.000 You go to the people who made Hillary Clinton so likable that she could run for president.

02:18:45.000 Because imagine if you just let her go on her own.

02:18:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:48.000 I mean, if she didn't get any public feedback, you'd just get her honest opinions about things.

02:18:53.000 Oh, my God.

02:18:53.000 It'd be a bloodbath.

02:18:54.000 Oh, she just don't tell you whatever the polls say she should say. 0.96

02:18:58.000 Probably.

02:18:58.000 But then there's moments where you catch her.

02:19:00.000 Like, you remember that moment when she was being interviewed, and it was right after Libya killed, the rebels killed Gaddafi?

02:19:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:19:07.000 She's like, we came, we saw, he died.

02:19:11.000 And she laughed.

02:19:12.000 She had that comment about Benghazi, what possible difference does it make or something, what difference does it make?

02:19:17.000 Yeah.

02:19:17.000 The basket of deplorables or something, or redeemables or whatever, wasn't that her?

02:19:21.000 Deplorables.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, absolutely it was her.

02:19:24.000 That's not that bad. 0.99

02:19:25.000 That's just stupid politically because you're mocking literally like half of the people in the country. 0.99

02:19:32.000 But the things about, like, mocking this guy who we kept in power being, like, ruthlessly murdered by those rebels. 0.99

02:19:41.000 Like, you can watch it. 1.00

02:19:43.000 Like, you can watch the video where this guy shoves a knife up Gaddafi's ass. 1.00

02:19:47.000 You can see his face while this guy runs up behind him with this knife and shoves it up his ass. 1.00

02:19:53.000 And he's in full shock. 1.00

02:19:54.000 He can't believe they have him.

02:19:56.000 He can't believe he's captured. 1.00

02:19:57.000 And he barely reacts when this guy shoves a knife up his ass. 1.00

02:20:01.000 I mean, you can see that. 1.00

02:20:02.000 You can see his dead body and the rebels.

02:20:04.000 Like, anybody that would think that's funny, that scares me that that person would be in any sort of position of power.

02:20:10.000 Right, right.

02:20:10.000 Because the thing that a person...

02:20:11.000 Something off.

02:20:12.000 There's something off.

02:20:13.000 Yeah, that's...

02:20:13.000 To see it...

02:20:14.000 Look, if you're happy that that person's gone and you want to express that in a sober way, you want to say the world is better off without Muammar Gaddafi running Libya, okay.

02:20:23.000 That's different. 0.99

02:20:24.000 But if you're laughing, laughing about a person who got a bayonet up his asshole, I mean, it was like, you've seen it, right? 1.00

02:20:33.000 I mean, it's a big-ass knife. 1.00

02:20:36.000 It looks like one of those knives that's on the end of a rifle, and he just shoves it up his ass. 0.99

02:20:40.000 Like, that's not something that anybody should ever laugh at, even if it's to the worst person. 0.99

02:20:45.000 The worst person dying like that, like, that's not funny. 1.00

02:20:49.000 I mean, maybe it'll make you happy if that person's a killer and they've killed a bunch of people and someone runs up behind them and shoves a knife up their ass. 1.00

02:20:55.000 I'm glad that guy did that. 1.00

02:20:57.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:20:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:58.000 Okay, but laughing is a crazy way to react.

02:21:01.000 It's a weird reaction.

02:21:02.000 To someone getting brutally murdered by a group of rebels.

02:21:04.000 Not very likable.

02:21:05.000 It doesn't make you very likable.

02:21:07.000 I feel like Kamala Harris' response to everything is laughter.

02:21:10.000 She throws her head back and cackles at the most serious thing. 1.00

02:21:12.000 Well, she doesn't do that anymore. 1.00

02:21:13.000 You notice that?

02:21:13.000 She's better about it.

02:21:14.000 She's learned how bad it was, how bad a look it was.

02:21:17.000 It was crazy.

02:21:17.000 Constant.

02:21:18.000 It would be a serious topic she'd be challenged on and her initial response was to laugh nervously before she would reply.

02:21:24.000 Well, she's mocking things, right?

02:21:26.000 And she's mocking things knowing that she's got this army of supporters. 0.99

02:21:30.000 That's the thought process behind it, like mocking it.

02:21:32.000 Yeah, like Tucker Carlson throwing his head back and laughing at something.

02:21:38.000 But less...

02:21:40.000 His is less gross. 0.84

02:21:42.000 The way she does it is fake.

02:21:44.000 It's always fake.

02:21:45.000 There's no reason to be laughing in that moment.

02:21:47.000 It's just this strategy that she has to mock ideas that don't align with the ideas that she has. 1.00

02:21:54.000 It's just not good.

02:21:55.000 And then there's also to just portray this sort of persona of being a very happy, fun person who's laughing a lot.

02:22:05.000 That's good, too.

02:22:06.000 Yeah.

02:22:06.000 Right?

02:22:07.000 So there's that.

02:22:08.000 But it's fake.

02:22:09.000 It's just a weird...

02:22:10.000 It's an act that a person could put on.

02:22:14.000 Yeah.

02:22:15.000 And she doesn't do it as much anymore, which shows you that it's fake.

02:22:18.000 Yeah, she's been reined in.

02:22:20.000 Well, she's been exposed.

02:22:21.000 Maybe it was Hillary's staffers. 1.00

02:22:23.000 Yeah, maybe they said, listen, we told Hillary, you've got to stop laughing about murder. 1.00

02:22:27.000 What is this?

02:22:28.000 What's in this?

02:22:28.000 Coffee.

02:22:29.000 You want some?

02:22:29.000 Coffee?

02:22:29.000 Sure, yeah.

02:22:30.000 Get some of that.

02:22:31.000 Black rifle's finest.

02:22:33.000 All right.

02:22:34.000 Thank you, sir.

02:22:35.000 My pleasure.

02:22:37.000 Yeah, I don't understand why we can't get more really good candidates, people that, whether it's congressmen or senators.

02:22:46.000 It's good coffee.

02:22:46.000 It's good, solid stuff, right?

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:51.000 But it's just hard to find people who want that job, you know? 0.99

02:22:58.000 I mean, who the fuck wants to have your life picked apart like that? 0.99

02:23:02.000 Who the fuck wants to be the target of at least half the country hating you? 1.00

02:23:05.000 A lot of people who want power are willing to put themselves through that for the power. 1.00

02:23:09.000 That's the problem, right?

02:23:10.000 And that's something we don't want to acknowledge.

02:23:12.000 The type of people that want those jobs are not really the type of people we want to have those jobs.

02:23:16.000 Yeah.

02:23:18.000 Yeah, I remember in A Gladiator when Marcus Aurelius is going to make Maximus his successor, and he goes, I want you, not my son, to be my successor.

02:23:26.000 He goes, with all my heart, no.

02:23:27.000 And he's like, Maximus, that's why it must be you.

02:23:30.000 It's because you don't want it.

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:32.000 Yeah.

02:23:34.000 What do you think is going to happen with Trump?

02:23:37.000 What do you know about the raid, the FBI raid?

02:23:40.000 I have no inside knowledge.

02:23:43.000 I don't know.

02:23:44.000 Come on, he calls you.

02:23:47.000 I think he did retweet us a couple times.

02:23:50.000 He retweeted me a couple times, too.

02:23:52.000 Hilarious.

02:23:54.000 I was laughing my ass off. 1.00

02:23:56.000 I was like, the fucking president retweeted me. 0.99

02:23:59.000 I think that the people who are arguing that he's been given a ton of fuel, like they just poured rocket fuel in his engine, I think that's absolutely true. 0.99

02:24:07.000 I mean, if you just look at the fundraising he's done off the back of this already.

02:24:10.000 Right, but what did they- Absolutely the case.

02:24:12.000 Yeah, but I don't mean in terms of politically.

02:24:13.000 I mean, like, legally.

02:24:15.000 Like, what did they find?

02:24:16.000 Oh.

02:24:16.000 And is he actually in trouble?

02:24:18.000 Because I think the goal was to try to knock him out of the 2024 elections, right?

02:24:22.000 By trying him for crimes.

02:24:25.000 What did he do?

02:24:26.000 I don't know.

02:24:27.000 Do you know what he did, Jamie?

02:24:29.000 Has it been absolutely released, what they caught?

02:24:31.000 I don't know that yet, but holding onto boxes of documents...

02:24:36.000 Is it really about confidential information that he shouldn't have had in his home that was so important they couldn't just ask for it?

02:24:44.000 They had to go in there and get it?

02:24:45.000 Well, I think the problem is having it, right?

02:24:48.000 Because if you have it in an unsecure location, meaning unsecure in terms of the government's protection, It's not locked up in archives.

02:24:57.000 It's not in a place that's very difficult to access.

02:24:59.000 You have control personally over the access to something that's top secret.

02:25:03.000 If that's the case, then that's a problem because that safe could be open.

02:25:08.000 People can get in there.

02:25:09.000 People can get the code.

02:25:10.000 They can copy it.

02:25:10.000 They can send it to China.

02:25:11.000 Yeah, but do you think that's a genuine concern or is it they want to find something, anything that they can use to prevent him from running again?

02:25:21.000 I think both things are valid.

02:25:23.000 I think if they're just doing that and they're using the FBI in a way that they would never use it against Hillary Clinton and they're going after him in a way they would never go after Ghislaine Maxwell's client list.

02:25:36.000 Oh my god.

02:25:37.000 There's no interest in that.

02:25:38.000 Right.

02:25:39.000 Then we have a real conversation.

02:25:40.000 But it doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a real conversation about should someone have access.

02:25:46.000 Now, I don't know what the files were.

02:25:47.000 I have zero idea whether or not they were okay for him to have or declassify.

02:25:51.000 I don't know.

02:25:52.000 But I think the argument would be if you're not supposed... 0.96

02:25:56.000 If there's a fucking whole chain of command about classified documents. 0.91

02:26:00.000 This is the law on classified documents. 0.97

02:26:03.000 And you decide to violate that law because...

02:26:06.000 You think you can.

02:26:07.000 I just wanted to keep them.

02:26:08.000 And you just keep them in your safe.

02:26:10.000 I don't know if that's what happened.

02:26:12.000 But if that is what happened, someone needs to be held accountable for that.

02:26:15.000 You're not supposed to do that, right?

02:26:17.000 You're not above the law and you can't decide that you're not going to follow the law because you know better.

02:26:23.000 And I don't know if that's the case.

02:26:24.000 I think where people lose, where they don't care about that, is because they're like, okay, you know, if you're going to be selectively enforcing laws like that, and just turn a blind eye to Hillary deleting emails that have been subpoenaed, and all of that, and the...

02:26:38.000 A blind eye to Hunter Biden trying to act like this is not a story until you're forced to admit that it is.

02:26:43.000 It's the double standard that makes everybody say this is persecution.

02:26:46.000 For sure.

02:26:47.000 And so even if there was something that was done that was wrong, they're still choosing to be selective about going after him in a way that comes across as they're after him doing what they wouldn't normally do to someone on their own side.

02:26:59.000 If it was Hillary Clinton's home, they'd have no interest in what's in her safe. 0.99

02:27:02.000 Because she'll kill them. 0.99

02:27:06.000 Jokes. 1.00

02:27:07.000 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

02:27:09.000 I see both sides, though.

02:27:10.000 I see the side that if you're an anti-Trump person and you find out that he's doing something that's against the law, you'd want to prosecute it for it.

02:27:16.000 I see both sides.

02:27:17.000 I really do.

02:27:19.000 I don't know the specifics of the Hillary Clinton email thing in terms of what those files were, but if they're the same classification, Of files as like he had you could make the argument they were more vulnerable because they were on a regular laptop Well, and it's still destroyed after a subpoena after a subpoena I mean imagine imagine if Trump was subpoenaed for this information instead of handing it over he burned it,

02:27:40.000 right? 0.98

02:27:40.000 That is where shit gets really squirrely. 0.98

02:27:43.000 Yeah Gets really squirrely. 1.00

02:27:44.000 And it's like, what punishments are there for that?

02:27:47.000 Is it zero?

02:27:48.000 There's nothing.

02:27:49.000 Nothing. 0.99

02:27:49.000 Not a fucking thing. 0.99

02:27:50.000 And everybody's just like, you know what? 0.99

02:27:52.000 Didn't she have... 1.00

02:27:53.000 She has a hat for sale that says, but her emails.

02:27:55.000 But her emails.

02:27:56.000 She's capitalizing on it.

02:27:57.000 Good for her.

02:27:58.000 But her emails. 1.00

02:27:59.000 I wonder if amongst people that are on the right, now a black hat with white letters will get your ass kicked. 1.00

02:28:06.000 Because... 1.00

02:28:06.000 You know, like the MAGA hat? 1.00

02:28:08.000 You could have a MAGA hat that said anything.

02:28:10.000 Like, I saw a lady get maced in the face, because she had a hat on that said, it was a red hat with white letters that said, Make Bitcoin Great Again.

02:28:19.000 And she was at one of those protests, there's a video of her.

02:28:21.000 People thought it was a MAGA hat.

02:28:22.000 Yeah, and some guy maced her in the face. 1.00

02:28:24.000 He pepper sprayed her in the face because she had a red hat with white letters about Bitcoin.

02:28:29.000 That's assault by the way.

02:28:30.000 It is assault. 1.00

02:28:31.000 Well that happened a lot at those fucking anti-Trump protests. 0.99

02:28:36.000 It's just the problem is that he was such a divisive character that he became a great enemy for the other side. 0.98

02:28:44.000 He wasn't like a statesman Who, like, you know, you could criticize his policies and his positions, you could say he's heartless, all you want, but he represents the United States in a statesmanly way, and, like, no, Trump's, you know, he's a wild guy that, like, encourages people to hate him.

02:29:00.000 Do you think DeSantis would demand or command more respect from the left?

02:29:05.000 The left still hates him, but they don't hate him the same way they hated Trump.

02:29:09.000 They try to, but he's more reasonable, he's very, like, level in the way he talks about things.

02:29:15.000 He's firm, though.

02:29:16.000 Yes, but you know what I'm saying?

02:29:20.000 He's not an insulting character.

02:29:27.000 Trump's a character.

02:29:29.000 Part of what he's doing is doing comedy.

02:29:31.000 It's like he's doing stand-up when he's up there. 0.99

02:29:33.000 When he makes fun of Biden and makes fun of other people, he's doing fucking stand-up. 1.00

02:29:36.000 He really is, and he kills. 0.99

02:29:39.000 It's, he's got this thing, you know, and that thing is, like, everybody who's with him is fucking really with him. 0.99

02:29:46.000 And everybody who's against him is really, really against him. 0.54

02:29:49.000 And he, like, encourages it.

02:29:51.000 You know, that is what I think is not good.

02:29:56.000 That part of it.

02:29:57.000 I get where he comes from, because that's what made him, fighting against the haters.

02:30:03.000 But when you're a president, that's a different role. 0.99

02:30:07.000 That's a different role than being the fucking host of The Apprentice. 0.99

02:30:10.000 And a lot of people hope that when he got in there, he was going to abandon that and just be common sense, get shit done. 0.99

02:30:16.000 But no, he's on Twitter calling his ex-girlfriend a horse face. 0.97

02:30:21.000 Saying about Kim Jong-un calling him Little Rocket Man. 1.00

02:30:24.000 He's fucking wild, dude. 0.99

02:30:25.000 What else did he say about Rosie O'Donnell? 0.99

02:30:26.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:30:27.000 Didn't he call her a fat pig? 0.99

02:30:29.000 Something like that. 0.99

02:30:30.000 Something like that, yeah.

02:30:30.000 I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was nasty.

02:30:32.000 Oh, he says horrible shit. 1.00

02:30:33.000 He calls her a loser all the time? 1.00

02:30:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:34.000 And people think it's hysterical. 0.99

02:30:37.000 They do?

02:30:37.000 And they do have something like the but her emails thing.

02:30:40.000 But his mean tweets.

02:30:41.000 You know, like he could sell...

02:30:48.000 I don't approve of his tweets.

02:30:50.000 I don't like his tweets.

02:30:51.000 No, a lot of people would say that.

02:30:52.000 A lot of people on the right will say that.

02:30:55.000 This is where I think they have hope in DeSantis, that he wouldn't do the same kind of things.

02:30:59.000 He would never tweet things like that.

02:31:01.000 He would never call Kim Jong-un little rocket man. 1.00

02:31:03.000 All that shit was hilarious. 0.99

02:31:05.000 It was funny. 1.00

02:31:05.000 He would never call his ex-girlfriend horseface. 1.00

02:31:07.000 That kind of stuff is, in many people's eyes, in a lot of conservatives' eyes, it's unbecoming of the commander-in-chief.

02:31:14.000 Beneath the office, yeah.

02:31:14.000 Yeah, that's the argument against it.

02:31:17.000 You know, the argument for him was his economic policies that people think were better and if we didn't have COVID, didn't hit, we would have been in a better place financially.

02:31:26.000 And the argument is as the economy grows, it gives more opportunities for everybody and everybody sort of does better because the economy is doing better.

02:31:33.000 And this is like in the anti-Marxist, anti-socialist argument.

02:31:37.000 Is that a strong economy where these businesses are killing it is better for everybody because then there's more jobs, there's more opportunity, there's more...

02:31:46.000 And then other people say, well, no, because it's a small percentage of people that are getting the most benefit.

02:31:51.000 Right, right.

02:31:52.000 Yeah, it's hard to get there.

02:31:53.000 They're playing a game, and this is the game.

02:31:56.000 It's like a giant game of Monopoly.

02:31:59.000 You're trying to get the most amount of resources.

02:32:01.000 That's what they're doing.

02:32:02.000 And if you want to cap that, you're not going to get people playing the same game with the same...

02:32:06.000 I'm not saying they should be able to steal.

02:32:09.000 But I'm saying competition.

02:32:11.000 If you want to be a Rupert Murdoch, maybe that's a bad example. 0.70

02:32:14.000 If you want to be someone who's head of some gigantic industry that's worth billions and billions of dollars, like Jeff Bezos, buying the biggest yachts and fucking flying around the biggest jets. 0.91

02:32:26.000 That guy played a game. 0.79

02:32:28.000 And he got to the highest level of the game.

02:32:30.000 And it's the same game that most people are playing.

02:32:32.000 That game is do the best for yourself financially.

02:32:36.000 Now you can say that he did it at the expense of unions.

02:32:39.000 You can make all these arguments that I would probably agree with.

02:32:41.000 You could say he did it in a way that undercut family businesses.

02:32:45.000 I'd go, hey, maybe, maybe.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, it's a good argument.

02:32:48.000 But at the end of the day, he's playing a game.

02:32:50.000 It's a legal game, and he got way ahead of that game.

02:32:53.000 And you could say, well, now he's at the head of the game.

02:32:55.000 He's got too much influence over the other players of the game.

02:32:57.000 Yeah.

02:32:59.000 That's how the game works.

02:33:00.000 That's how the game works. 1.00

02:33:01.000 It's a fucked up game. 1.00

02:33:02.000 But it's way better than communism! 1.00

02:33:04.000 It's fucking way better than the Soviet Union! 1.00

02:33:07.000 It's way better than what's going on in China! 1.00

02:33:10.000 It's fucking way better than what's going on in North Korea! 0.98

02:33:13.000 It's way better this way! 0.99

02:33:14.000 Well, think about how convenient it is that anybody can order anything they want from Amazon at any time.

02:33:18.000 You know, have it delivered straight to their house.

02:33:19.000 I'm a fan.

02:33:20.000 Yeah.

02:33:21.000 Yeah.

02:33:21.000 And I'm not in any way, shape, or form an anti-Bezos guy or anti-industry guy.

02:33:28.000 There's a way to have ethical capitalism.

02:33:31.000 It's totally possible.

02:33:33.000 It can be done.

02:33:34.000 You know, and it could be done by regulating things correctly.

02:33:37.000 It could be done by, you know, whatever.

02:33:40.000 Whether it's tax structure or whatever it is.

02:33:42.000 It could be done.

02:33:43.000 It could be done.

02:33:44.000 It's just like you're playing a very specific game.

02:33:47.000 And that very specific game is always going to encourage people to win.

02:33:51.000 And they're going to try to make more money every month. 0.93

02:33:54.000 They're going to try to make their fucking stock the biggest thing so they can get that bonus. 0.97

02:33:57.000 And that's what they're doing. 0.98

02:33:59.000 They have an obligation to that.

02:34:00.000 If you want to say that game sucks, you want to say you don't want to play in that game, that's fine.

02:34:04.000 But that is the game that this country runs on. 0.99

02:34:06.000 And to just throw the fucking board up in the air, I don't think is the solution. 0.98

02:34:11.000 Yeah, well, and I mean, usually the people who are saying that are people who aren't very good at playing the game. 0.99

02:34:15.000 Or they're early on in the game.

02:34:16.000 You know, maybe they're just out of college, which makes sense.

02:34:19.000 If you're just out of college and you're making $24,000 a year, and you're looking at people that are worth billions, and then you're seeing homeless people, and you're a kind, compassionate young person, and these professors are teaching about Leninism and Marxism, and you start to espouse these ideas, like, I get it.

02:34:34.000 I get all of it.

02:34:35.000 I understand how a young person...

02:34:37.000 I just don't get how...

02:34:37.000 I don't get how...

02:34:38.000 Personally, I don't get how, as a young person, you look at someone like a Jeff Bezos and all the success he's had, and you're not inspired to go out there and work your butt off to, like, get to that level versus feeling envious or resentful and saying, oh, that's not fair that he did that.

02:34:52.000 But it's natural.

02:34:52.000 It's natural to feel envious or resentful.

02:34:53.000 I just...

02:34:53.000 I never had those thoughts.

02:34:54.000 Well, congratulations.

02:34:55.000 Never had those thoughts.

02:34:55.000 I always looked at successful people, and I'm like, you know, like, what was...

02:34:59.000 What did they...

02:35:00.000 How did...

02:35:00.000 How did they operate?

02:35:01.000 How did they think?

02:35:02.000 Did you get that from your parents?

02:35:03.000 What kind of books do they read?

02:35:03.000 What kind of...

02:35:04.000 I don't know.

02:35:05.000 My parents didn't instill in me a business mindset.

02:35:11.000 My dad was a pastor.

02:35:13.000 I grew up in a church.

02:35:15.000 Most of what they instilled in me was values.

02:35:18.000 Shocker.

02:35:19.000 Most of what they instilled with me had to do with values and faith and doing the right thing, not getting ahead in the business world.

02:35:28.000 They were never like, oh, we want our son to go to the finest business school and become successful.

02:35:32.000 They judged success in much different terms in terms of how big your bank account is, which is great and important.

02:35:38.000 But as a young person when I was in college or before, looking at people who were successful, I never – and we weren't successful.

02:35:46.000 My dad said pastors don't make a lot of money unless you're the pastor of a big megachurch that's telling people to be healthy and wealthy if they just give you more money.

02:35:52.000 My dad didn't pastor a church like that, so he had a very meager salary, and we had a very middle class, lower middle class upbringing.

02:36:01.000 And so, I don't know, I always, but I always looked at wealthy, successful business people, entrepreneurs with, like, I had huge admiration for, like, what they were able to accomplish.

02:36:11.000 How brilliant they are, how hardworking they are, what they put into that.

02:36:14.000 Well, it's kind of interesting because we celebrate that in a lot of other areas.

02:36:18.000 We celebrate that in sports.

02:36:19.000 We celebrate that in art.

02:36:21.000 We celebrate the overachievers.

02:36:24.000 The problem is that comes in a lot of people's eyes with victims, right?

02:36:28.000 Like, the overachieving capitalist comes with victims.

02:36:32.000 Victims, the environment is a victim, the people are the, you know, the lower class is a victim, the mom, there's like a lot of bodies along the way in their eyes. 0.90

02:36:41.000 And also, We're talking about how malleable people are.

02:36:45.000 I mean, if you're in the university system of 2022, you're 100% at least being exposed to a lot of these socialist ideas and Marxist ideas and very progressive left-wing ideas.

02:36:59.000 And they're more popular than conservative ideas by a large margin.

02:37:05.000 You're going to have a lot more victims if you get rid of that system and do it a different way.

02:37:08.000 By a large margin, though, the university systems are leaning towards the left.

02:37:14.000 Right. 0.99

02:37:15.000 And so these people, they're looking at this, they just left their parents' house, maybe they disagree with their parents, maybe their dad's an asshole, and now they're at this university. 0.87

02:37:23.000 And this professor, who's so eloquent and so interesting and so well-read and well-traveled, and they're saying these things that are so opposed to the way they grew up, but make so much sense. 0.84

02:37:33.000 Like, oh, I'm going to do the right thing now, and I'm going to fight for this right.

02:37:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:37.000 It's tapping into people's sense of right and wrong.

02:37:40.000 Yes.

02:37:40.000 And trying to say, look, you don't want to leave a trail of victims in your wake trying to climb to the top or whatever.

02:37:46.000 Right.

02:37:46.000 You can't get rich in business the way that Bezos did without offering something of value and employing a ton of people, which is a tremendous good.

02:37:54.000 And it's just like anything.

02:37:55.000 Like, when you look at...

02:37:57.000 There's trade-offs to everything.

02:37:59.000 Free will has trade-offs.

02:38:00.000 The fact that you have freedom to do whatever you want means that you can be loving, good, kind, and charitable.

02:38:04.000 But guess what it also means? 0.99

02:38:05.000 It means you can take the wrong turn, become a criminal, take advantage of people, be a scumbag, mistreat people, be cruel to people, mean to people. 0.99

02:38:12.000 That's the downside of free will. 0.99

02:38:14.000 But the upside...

02:38:16.000 The upside more than makes up for that.

02:38:18.000 The fact that any of this good stuff is possible makes up for the fact that the bad stuff is possible.

02:38:22.000 You're never going to have any system that you could possibly think of that doesn't have downsides that are offsetting to the positives that are worth having.

02:38:30.000 Yes.

02:38:31.000 No, I think you're correct.

02:38:33.000 And I think that looking at it the way you're looking at it...

02:38:39.000 To say that you grew up the way you grew up is very interesting because I think having a firm set of ethics and morals when you grow up is very advantageous because you realize like later in life if you do the right thing you'll feel better regardless of the result.

02:38:55.000 Like, you do the wrong thing, but you benefit, you feel guilty.

02:38:59.000 It's bad for people.

02:39:00.000 Like, if you're a person that has made your living in an institution where you're working at some sort of a corporation and you poison the environment in order to succeed and make more profit, but you hit your goal, but then you realize that there's a dead lake in Ecuador now and all these people are suffering and getting cancer.

02:39:17.000 That's happened before, right?

02:39:18.000 That's the bad side of it. 0.69

02:39:20.000 And you either become a callous sociopath, or you gotta find another line of work.

02:39:25.000 Because a lot of people just become callous sociopaths, and they continue that behavior.

02:39:30.000 So the way you grew up is so beneficial, because having a strong foundation of ethics and morals is what we should all strive for.

02:39:39.000 It doesn't mean you can't succeed.

02:39:41.000 It just means you shouldn't succeed at the expense of things that you know are evil.

02:39:46.000 Right.

02:39:46.000 And that is the problem with unchecked capitalism.

02:39:49.000 That's the problem when they're allowed to go to third world countries, where there's no regulations, do wild shit, and pollute rivers, and fuck up the environment. 1.00

02:39:55.000 They do that, and they do that because it's profitable. 0.99

02:39:59.000 That's our problem, is that what you are saying, and what a lot of Christians are saying, that grew up in this way, is more important to do the right thing. 0.76

02:40:08.000 That's the most important thing.

02:40:09.000 I think we should all agree on that.

02:40:11.000 I think we should, yeah.

02:40:12.000 And it's going to benefit you in business, too, to some extent.

02:40:14.000 I mean, will you necessarily be as successful as somebody who's like cutthroat and doesn't care if their employees are underpaid or not well treated or you're taking advantage of somebody in a process or ripping somebody off?

02:40:26.000 I mean, you're not going to be as maybe successful as them, but you bring values.

02:40:31.000 You honor your word.

02:40:32.000 You know, you make good on your promises.

02:40:34.000 You do those types of things.

02:40:35.000 And that reciprocates in ways that are valuable in business.

02:40:39.000 And that comes back to help you.

02:40:40.000 I mean, if you leave enemies in your wake all over the place, like you cut off, you damage and destroy relationships because you're dishonest in business.

02:40:46.000 You take advantage of people or you poach from them in nasty and unethical ways.

02:40:50.000 Like, I mean, you're going to...

02:40:52.000 You're going to create more problems for yourself than you solve, even if you get ahead in the short term.

02:40:56.000 They think they can stay ahead of that.

02:40:58.000 Maybe not the best example, but if you have a really good product, you can stick by your ideas, is Chick-fil-A. A lot of people oppose Chick-fil-A for their anti-LBGTQ ideas and gay marriage and stuff, but they don't open on Sunday.

02:41:14.000 They're leaving billions of dollars on the table, and they're like, Sunday's the Lord's Day, which is crazy for a fast food place.

02:41:21.000 To have that take, but meanwhile, they're everywhere. 0.99

02:41:23.000 They're fucking killing it. 0.99

02:41:24.000 Every time I go buy Chick-fil-A, it's a giant-ass line. 1.00

02:41:26.000 Don't you always crave Chick-fil-A on a Sunday?

02:41:28.000 It's like the only time I think I want Chick-fil-A, it's Sunday, and I'm like, I can't go.

02:41:31.000 It's closed.

02:41:32.000 Nope.

02:41:33.000 Jesus said don't eat.

02:41:36.000 I don't know.

02:41:37.000 You want what you can't have.

02:41:38.000 I don't know why it's bad if you still go to church and still work.

02:41:42.000 It's still possible to keep Chick-fil-A open, but they don't want it.

02:41:46.000 So look, it's not that I align myself with Chick-fil-A's values, but I'm saying like if you have a great product, you can stick by your thoughts, even if they're not the best thoughts.

02:41:55.000 You can stick by your ethics and your morals and you can still be successful if you have a great product.

02:42:00.000 So that's where the idea of like ethical capitalism could come in.

02:42:04.000 You know, like moral, ethical capitalism.

02:42:07.000 Like, it's still okay to compete in the marketplace, but it's not okay to lie.

02:42:11.000 It's not okay to pollute environments. 0.93

02:42:13.000 It's not okay to do some of the shit that we know the corporations have done, lie about studies and do different things where they try to proclaim their innocence. 0.73

02:42:20.000 It's not okay to pretend that you're a free speech platform and then moderate political viewpoints that you don't like. 0.94

02:42:26.000 How about that one?

02:42:27.000 Let's put that one on the list.

02:42:28.000 Agreed.

02:42:29.000 Yeah.

02:42:30.000 And that is, a lot of people would think it's less consequential than corporations doing evil things, but it's still bad.

02:42:38.000 It's still not the optimal way to do things. 0.64

02:42:41.000 But I think part of the problem is, I'm going to keep coming back to this, but I think part of the problem is the format itself, the way people communicate in that text format It's just shitty.

02:42:51.000 It's just a shitty way to get thoughts across to people where you're going back and forth with them.

02:42:56.000 It just leaves too much to the imagination. 1.00

02:42:59.000 It's too many openings to be an asshole. 0.98

02:43:02.000 It's not a good way for human beings who are designed to communicate, look at each other in the eye, reading emotional cues, reading tone and the context of the conversation. 0.99

02:43:13.000 That's how people are supposed to talk.

02:43:15.000 In any other way, I don't think it's good for you.

02:43:18.000 It's the reality of the world we live in, though.

02:43:19.000 It's just like with your kids and social media.

02:43:22.000 There's never going to be a physical town square anymore where you go and have a debate about the issues of the day with your neighbors.

02:43:29.000 But you should at least encourage people to not engage with people like that.

02:43:35.000 I think that idea needs to get out there in a way that more people resonate.

02:43:40.000 That's not good for them either.

02:43:42.000 It's not good for anybody. 0.97

02:43:43.000 I have friends who do that Twitter beef back and forth shit with people. 0.94

02:43:47.000 And when they do it, they have anxiety all day. 0.97

02:43:50.000 I was talking to this one friend who's like, I couldn't walk down the street 10 feet without checking my phone to see who replied.

02:43:54.000 So I'm walking around almost bumping into people.

02:43:57.000 Just freaking out.

02:43:58.000 Because he's in some sort of a weird Twitter conflict.

02:44:02.000 I can raise your blood pressure, too.

02:44:04.000 You get all anxious.

02:44:05.000 He couldn't sleep.

02:44:06.000 You said he couldn't sleep.

02:44:07.000 Snap at people.

02:44:08.000 I've had that happen where I'm engaged in some Twitter spat with somebody, and my kid comes up to me.

02:44:12.000 My son will come up to me and ask me for something, and I'm like, not now, and dismissing him.

02:44:16.000 It's like, what did I just do?

02:44:18.000 I just treated this Twitter spat with more respect than my own son.

02:44:22.000 That's not healthy.

02:44:23.000 It's bad for you.

02:44:24.000 It's bad for you.

02:44:25.000 And I understand if you have a point, if someone's saying something that's not true, and you want to correct it, or you want to argue against it, or you want to say something about them, like, this is so hypocritical because of this.

02:44:34.000 I get it.

02:44:35.000 I get it. 1.00

02:44:36.000 I just think it's a shit way to communicate. 0.92

02:44:37.000 That's why I don't do it. 0.79

02:44:38.000 It definitely detracts from our ability to see other people as ends in themselves and not as means to ends or as, you know, an object to dunk on so that we can score some kind of points and generate more followers or likes.

02:44:57.000 I don't know.

02:45:11.000 Conscious organisms.

02:45:14.000 Everybody's made in the image of God and that we all have an inherent intrinsic value and we shouldn't be disrespected for that reason.

02:45:24.000 I don't know.

02:45:25.000 I think instilling values like that is going to be a lot more beneficial in those kinds of arenas than trying to tell people what they can and can't say.

02:45:33.000 Right.

02:45:33.000 No, I think so too.

02:45:34.000 I just don't know how the two of them find common ground right now. 0.96

02:45:40.000 Because right now, the ideological battleground is so fucking rigid.

02:45:44.000 There's trenches dug in the center, and everybody's got guns pointed at the other side. 0.74

02:45:48.000 It's like, how do we make that thing where, like, the Germans and the Europeans played soccer?

02:45:55.000 Was it World War I where they broke the trench?

02:45:57.000 Did they do that?

02:45:59.000 Yeah, they played soccer and hung out.

02:46:01.000 It was a big deal because, you know, they had a truce and a ceasefire, and I think it lasted a few days, and they went back to shooting at each other.

02:46:10.000 Find out that story.

02:46:12.000 It's a crazy story.

02:46:13.000 I believe it's World War I. That's kind of profound, honestly.

02:46:17.000 Well, most people don't want to be engaged in a fucking gunfight with people they don't even know. 0.96

02:46:22.000 They're not even sure why they're doing this, and they're doing this because their leaders have told them to do it. 0.98

02:46:26.000 There's times where that's knowable to do, like Nazi Germany's sweeping across Europe. 0.69

02:46:31.000 Yes, 100%.

02:46:32.000 I'm not opposed to that, but I'm saying most of those people did not want to be there.

02:46:36.000 Most of those people did not want to shoot at some person.

02:46:39.000 They don't even know.

02:46:40.000 And most of those people don't even agree with the thing they're being forced to enforce. 1.00

02:46:44.000 Because they're fucking peasants. 1.00

02:46:45.000 They're just... 1.00

02:46:46.000 Some guy got pulled out of the fields, and they put him in a uniform and gave him a rifle, and they're sending him to the front line.

02:46:52.000 That's the reality of war to those people.

02:46:54.000 So when they got together and hung out for a couple days...

02:46:58.000 They became human. 1.00

02:46:59.000 It must have been so fucked when they started shooting at each other again. 1.00

02:47:02.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:47:02.000 Did you find it yet? 1.00

02:47:04.000 The first story I found was about, like, myths on it, so I was trying to make sure some stuff was real, but I just...

02:47:08.000 I think there's photographs of it.

02:47:10.000 Yeah, it happened.

02:47:11.000 It was just, there's some stories that have been, like...

02:47:13.000 Exaggerated.

02:47:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:47:15.000 Pull the story up, though, because we've got to end soon.

02:47:18.000 Let's see what we've got here.

02:47:19.000 Soccer in the trenches.

02:47:20.000 Remembering the World War I Christmas truce.

02:47:23.000 So it's real.

02:47:24.000 So, um, do-do-do.

02:47:26.000 German lieutenant in the first war.

02:47:27.000 He disappeared forever in the Soviet Union.

02:47:29.000 The second in 1999, his son Rudolf found his dad's diary in the attic.

02:47:34.000 This is what Zemich Sr. recorded for Christmas Day 1914. A couple of Britons brought a ball along from their trenches.

02:47:43.000 And a lively game began.

02:47:45.000 How fantastically wonderful and strange.

02:47:47.000 The English officers experienced it like that too.

02:47:50.000 That, thanks to soccer and Christmas, the feast of love, deadly enemies briefly came together as friends.

02:47:58.000 It was one of several impromptu soccer matches played between British and German soldiers in no man's land that Christmas.

02:48:05.000 For one day, and in some sectors of the line for several days, the enemies made a spontaneous peace.

02:48:11.000 A century on, these games transfix Europeans." We all grew up with the story of soldiers from both sides putting down their arms on Christmas Day, says Prince William, president of the English Football Association.

02:48:25.000 No wonder Because this extraordinary story suggests an alternative history of the 20th century.

02:48:30.000 Many people, including some veterans of the war, have doubted that these games were ever played.

02:48:35.000 The story seems too good to be true.

02:48:37.000 Indeed, Jeff Dyer in his 1994 book, The Missing of the Somme, dismisses it as myth.

02:48:43.000 Some historians believe the truth is somewhere in between.

02:48:46.000 Others contend that the impact of the games has been overstated as we witness the Premier League of FA and other organizations commemorate the moment.

02:48:55.000 So it happened.

02:48:55.000 Seems like it happened.

02:48:57.000 And that is a good story.

02:48:59.000 It's a horrible ending, but it's a good moment in a terrible story.

02:49:04.000 Yeah.

02:49:04.000 I mean, it's a great ending, I guess, in terms of the result of the war, but it's a horrible ending for those people that had to go back to shooting at each other when they realized they had common ground and they could just hang out together.

02:49:13.000 So you think the liberals and the conservatives can have a day of peace and come together on Twitter and lay down their arms?

02:49:21.000 I would hope they could do it individually, one-on-one in real life.

02:49:23.000 Yeah, I'd like to see more of that.

02:49:24.000 People would learn how to do that, but I think it's a learned skill.

02:49:28.000 Yeah.

02:49:28.000 I mean, I think if...

02:49:30.000 A lot of people have a conversation about something that they disagree with, even in real life.

02:49:35.000 They're so used to communicating in this kind of shitty way that I think they would just engage in the standard and scream at each other.

02:49:42.000 I mean, those Karen videos that you see, people yelling at each other about wearing a mask or yelling at each other about, you know, you support Hitler, whatever it is.

02:49:50.000 Those crazy conflicts that people have in real life, that's not the way to do it either.

02:49:55.000 It's just human beings are in this weird stage of information overexposure and social media and just an incredibly volatile world right now.

02:50:11.000 I mean, there's so much uncertainty and there's so much anxiety that people have about international conflicts for the first time in a long time.

02:50:17.000 People are genuinely worried about our relationships with China and Russia. 0.99

02:50:21.000 Scary shit. 0.99

02:50:22.000 And so people are just ramped up with anxiety already. 1.00

02:50:25.000 And then, you know, even if you get them together in public, they might scream at each other.

02:50:29.000 But I think that if people could learn how to not do that, they could learn how to just communicate, I think we could get along a lot better and we could find common ground.

02:50:38.000 I think that's what we all want.

02:50:40.000 I don't think we're ever going to come to a time in this world where they're not conservative people and liberal people.

02:50:44.000 I like what you said earlier about steel manning your opponents instead of straw manning, you know, like actually giving them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they're actually a rational thinking person who's considered, you know, the evidence or whatever and has reached conclusions in good faith and respect that.

02:51:02.000 And even if it's different than what you believe, like respect that and be willing to have a dialogue with them about it. 0.99

02:51:07.000 Without the assumption that they came by their views in bad faith or that they're stupid. 1.00

02:51:11.000 Right. 1.00

02:51:12.000 They're ignorant. 1.00

02:51:13.000 They just haven't done enough research and just belittle them. 1.00

02:51:16.000 You're never going to get anywhere with that, with anybody.

02:51:18.000 Agreed.

02:51:19.000 Agreed.

02:51:20.000 Well, listen, man, I appreciate you coming by here.

02:51:22.000 It was really fun to talk to you.

02:51:24.000 I appreciate your website.

02:51:26.000 You guys make hilarious memes.

02:51:27.000 Thanks, man. 0.99

02:51:28.000 It's fucking really funny shit. 0.99

02:51:29.000 Thanks. 0.99

02:51:29.000 And I'm glad you're out there. 0.99

02:51:31.000 And I wish you'd get back on Twitter.

02:51:33.000 I really hope they let you back on.

02:51:35.000 You know, I was hoping that when Elon, if he bought it, and maybe he still will, maybe they'll force him to buy it.

02:51:40.000 Maybe.

02:51:41.000 If he, you know, opens that up a lot more and lets a lot more freedom of expression on both sides.

02:51:48.000 Yeah, we'll see.

02:51:49.000 I hope that that happens.

02:51:51.000 Or if that doesn't happen, there's got to be some other solution.

02:51:53.000 Because I think Elon is absolutely right.

02:51:55.000 This is the town square.

02:51:57.000 And if it is the town square, then we do have to have some consideration for First Amendment rights, because otherwise we don't have free speech privileges in the town square.

02:52:19.000 Open-minded approach that doesn't just get dominated by right-wing people or dominated by left-wing people.

02:52:25.000 I mean, there's been attempts.

02:52:27.000 A parlor was a great attempt initially, and then look what happened with, you know, Amazon and Apple and everybody.

02:52:32.000 What did happen?

02:52:33.000 They got deplatformed because they were blamed for January 6th.

02:52:37.000 It was this whole thing.

02:52:38.000 It's like, oh, all this hatred and all this planning was happening here.

02:52:41.000 So they're not on the App Store anymore?

02:52:42.000 They got back.

02:52:43.000 They got back.

02:52:44.000 But, you know, people moved on and went to other things.

02:52:48.000 You know, like, Parler's still there.

02:52:50.000 But the problem is this, and this is what I say over and over and over again when people ask me about alternative platforms.

02:52:54.000 There's a place for these platforms.

02:52:56.000 I think they should exist, and I think they should try to honor the free speech principle.

02:53:00.000 The problem is the left doesn't want free speech.

02:53:02.000 I say this all the time.

02:53:03.000 They don't have a problem with hate speech.

02:53:05.000 They just hate speech.

02:53:06.000 When they say misinformation, they mean opinions they don't like.

02:53:09.000 When they say hate speech, they mean opinions they don't like.

02:53:11.000 They mean bigots are people they don't like that have opinions they don't like.

02:53:16.000 So they're not going to want to be on a platform that honors free speech.

02:53:19.000 You have to force it on them, essentially.

02:53:20.000 It has to be by the law.

02:53:22.000 It can't just be, oh, here's a free speech platform.

02:53:24.000 Let's all go there.

02:53:25.000 That's not going to happen.

02:53:27.000 I wonder.

02:53:29.000 But I think one of the ways that that could happen and one of the only ways in terms of having a platform is if Elon buys Twitter.

02:53:39.000 Because if you really did open it up, I think most of the people that are addicted to Twitter, the progressives, the left-wing people, they're going to stay on it if they're not censored.

02:53:47.000 They're going to stay on it.

02:53:48.000 I think they'll stay on it.

02:53:49.000 And if they can develop these little environments where they can block everybody they don't like and limit comments to people who follow them, they can still sort of regulate their own feed.

02:53:59.000 Yeah, block who they want.

02:54:00.000 If you have 8 million followers on Twitter, where are you going to go?

02:54:03.000 I mean, you're going to leave Twitter to go to some other, start your own platform?

02:54:07.000 Right, that's the argument.

02:54:07.000 That's the problem that conservatives have had.

02:54:08.000 It's like, it's hard to build a platform, especially if it's going to be just for your own...

02:54:12.000 Like, they're not going to have 8 million followers if it's just for leftists.

02:54:15.000 Right.

02:54:15.000 They're going to have a lot less than that.

02:54:17.000 They've got followers from all sides.

02:54:18.000 Right.

02:54:19.000 That's the value of Twitter.

02:54:20.000 Right, and that's the problem with something like Parler, is because the right-wing people go over there when they get kicked off Twitter, or they don't think Twitter's supportive of it, and then it becomes so right-leaning that the left-wing people don't want to go over there.

02:54:30.000 Right, and this is the thing.

02:54:32.000 I think that, you know...

02:54:33.000 There should be, like we're talking about, we're very idealistic in this conversation, talking about how people should behave and how they should treat each other, and it's, you know, is this really going to happen?

02:54:43.000 I would love to see more people.

02:54:44.000 I love when I hear people, like, when people ask me who my favorite comedians are, my favorite comedians are anybody who's, like, willing to make the jokes you're not supposed to make and speak the truth and stand up for free speech and this nonsense cancel culture stuff pushing back on that.

02:54:55.000 When Bill Maher is talking about, you know, the importance of free speech, you know, he's very hard on Twitter.

02:54:59.000 He talks about how they do need a new sheriff.

02:55:01.000 Like, it's been run poorly.

02:55:02.000 Yeah.

02:55:03.000 Someone like Bill Maher would be happy, I think.

02:55:06.000 I don't even know if he knows what Parler is.

02:55:08.000 But he'd be happy to join a place like Parler and bring other people from the left with him because they could actually benefit that discussion.

02:55:14.000 They could provide a counter to those other arguments.

02:55:16.000 More people from the left should be willing to jump in the pool and swim with others.

02:55:20.000 Not the men in the women's pool, by the way.

02:55:22.000 But, you know, the ideological pool.

02:55:24.000 The ideological pool.

02:55:25.000 I see what you're saying.

02:55:27.000 Thanks for the laugh.

02:55:28.000 I don't know where this is going to go, but I hope it goes in a good direction.

02:55:31.000 I think, like all things, this is a very disruptive technology.

02:55:36.000 It's shaking up the world.

02:55:37.000 And I think, well, hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.

02:55:41.000 We'll find a rational solution.

02:55:42.000 But I think a lot of it depends on these kind of conversations.

02:55:45.000 Yep, absolutely.

02:55:45.000 So thank you very much.

02:55:47.000 The website is BabylonBee or TheBabylonBee.com?

02:55:50.000 Babylonbee.com.

02:55:51.000 Babylonbee.com.

02:55:52.000 Yeah, subscribe and support us.

02:55:53.000 I mean, we have, you know, we're getting deplatformed left and right.

02:55:56.000 And you guys have a podcast as well, right?

02:55:57.000 We got a podcast, YouTube channel, putting out a lot of video content.

02:56:00.000 Beautiful.

02:56:01.000 Thank you very much, Seth.

02:56:01.000 Thank you.

02:56:02.000 Appreciate it.

02:56:02.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 16, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1857 - Seth Dillon

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