The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1859 - Louis CK & Joe List

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00:00:13.000 Hey, fellas. 0.59

00:00:15.000 What's going on? 0.99

00:00:16.000 So let me first say that fucking movie is great. 0.99

00:00:19.000 It's really good. 1.00

00:00:20.000 I really enjoyed it. 0.98

00:00:21.000 I fucking laughed hard when the family in Maine. 1.00

00:00:24.000 Holy shit, was that great. 1.00

00:00:25.000 With Nick DiPaolo, Tony V. Oh my god, it's very funny. 0.99

00:00:29.000 That makes me feel good.

00:00:30.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 It's really good.

00:00:31.000 It's really good.

00:00:32.000 It's really good.

00:00:33.000 You're a good actor, Joe.

00:00:34.000 Oh, thank you.

00:00:35.000 I appreciate that.

00:00:36.000 You're really good, man.

00:00:36.000 You're really good.

00:00:37.000 Thank you.

00:00:38.000 I have very little training, but I was playing myself.

00:00:41.000 We wrote it, so a lot of real emotions.

00:00:43.000 It doesn't matter, though, if you play yourself, because you have to play moments, you have to play feelings, you have to listen.

00:00:48.000 And I didn't know if he was going to be any good.

00:00:50.000 It had to be him because it was his story.

00:00:52.000 We wrote it together.

00:00:53.000 I directed it.

00:00:55.000 But I didn't know if he would have the mechanics right, but he's very natural.

00:00:59.000 I never had to talk to him once during the filming.

00:01:02.000 It was just, you know, it gave me a lot of room to really do better.

00:01:05.000 I'm acting not terrified right now.

00:01:07.000 Good.

00:01:08.000 Nice job.

00:01:08.000 But you look terrified.

00:01:12.000 Well, I don't know why you'd be terrified.

00:01:14.000 I just don't understand.

00:01:15.000 You do a million podcasts.

00:01:16.000 You do it all the time.

00:01:17.000 I do a lot of podcasts.

00:01:19.000 I've been here.

00:01:19.000 Well, first of all...

00:01:20.000 Well, there's a lot at stake because the movie is out just now on the website.

00:01:25.000 And it's on my website for 15 bucks.

00:01:27.000 I just wanted to get it out there.

00:01:28.000 Fourth of July.

00:01:29.000 Fourth of July.

00:01:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:01:31.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

00:01:31.000 I can't recommend it enough. 0.99

00:01:32.000 It's really good.

00:01:33.000 Thank you. 0.96

00:01:33.000 I enjoy the shit out of it. 0.96

00:01:35.000 I watched it today because I wanted to watch it right before I came here. 0.99

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:38.000 I wanted it to be really fresh.

00:01:40.000 Great.

00:01:40.000 It was excellent.

00:01:41.000 Well, I never made a movie like that before.

00:01:43.000 Most of my movies are a little weirder, a little more challenging.

00:01:46.000 I like to keep an audience off balance.

00:01:48.000 But this was just a story.

00:01:50.000 This is such a basic story.

00:01:54.000 It's a very independent, just kind of like normal movie.

00:01:57.000 It's not about a big subject.

00:01:59.000 It's about people.

00:02:01.000 It's really good, though.

00:02:02.000 It's really good.

00:02:03.000 If I went to see that in the movies and I didn't know any of you, I'd really enjoy it.

00:02:08.000 I had a question about filmmaking itself.

00:02:11.000 There's moments where you, the therapist, are talking to him, where it's a head-on shot, but the camera's kind of slightly moving a little, which I thought was very interesting.

00:02:22.000 What is the reason to do?

00:02:23.000 Is it to keep you occupied?

00:02:25.000 Is it to create a sense that you're actually there, because when you're seeing a person, you're kind of moving and kind of static?

00:02:32.000 Well, it depends.

00:02:33.000 Like sometimes, what we used in this movie, we used what are called anamorphic lenses, and they make more of a dollar bill shape than like a television.

00:02:40.000 It's like wider.

00:02:41.000 So the movie is about a guy who has severe anxiety, and so anxiety is about having too much peripheral sense, you know?

00:02:49.000 And so sometimes we would rock the screen, the camera, just a little bit, just a tiny bit, to feel as disbalanced.

00:02:57.000 Like if you're just sitting in a chair, you feel like you're going to throw up a little bit.

00:03:02.000 And we did other effects like sometimes we made the light go green, which is kind of like a green nausea feeling.

00:03:09.000 Nausea and anxiety are very connected.

00:03:11.000 So we did that with him to make him look like he was as uncomfortable as he really can be.

00:03:17.000 How much do you enjoy that process versus the process of creating stand-up?

00:03:20.000 I love it so much.

00:03:22.000 Yeah?

00:03:22.000 I just love it so much.

00:03:24.000 It drives me crazy how much I love it.

00:03:26.000 I love film.

00:03:27.000 I love lenses.

00:03:28.000 I love photography.

00:03:29.000 I love all the tech stuff.

00:03:31.000 I love going drilling way down with the DP about what's the equipment we're going to use and why. 0.97

00:03:37.000 I had a good DP on this one who didn't give a shit. 0.98

00:03:40.000 He was just like, yeah, you could, I guess. 0.99

00:03:42.000 Who cares?

00:03:44.000 He came up as a camera loader.

00:03:46.000 He's not like a film school guy who wrote a thesis.

00:03:49.000 He's a guy who worked in the camera department, and now he runs it.

00:03:53.000 But I like it.

00:03:54.000 I like it.

00:03:54.000 And I like equipment.

00:03:56.000 I like the process, you know.

00:03:59.000 And the problem, it's all-day problem-solving.

00:04:01.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 It occupies your whole spirit when you're directing because you're like, how are we going to get this day done?

00:04:06.000 They're kicking us out at 8. The light's going.

00:04:08.000 Stuff like that.

00:04:09.000 It's like being on a boat, you know?

00:04:11.000 Yeah.

00:04:12.000 Nothing's in your control.

00:04:13.000 You can just try to maneuver.

00:04:15.000 You've got an actor who's just not doing it.

00:04:17.000 You have an actor who didn't show up.

00:04:18.000 There's all kinds of stuff that happens. 0.99

00:04:20.000 And if you're clever and you stay on a swivel, you get through the day and you go, fuck, I can't believe we got all that. 1.00

00:04:26.000 And there was good shit on film. 0.99

00:04:28.000 How much of a process is it? 0.98

00:04:30.000 How long is it from the time where you started writing this to pitch it, write it, and then get it done?

00:04:37.000 I know the exact dates if you want them.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, give it.

00:04:39.000 First phone call was February 28th.

00:04:42.000 I mean, this is like not normal.

00:04:44.000 February 28th, we chatted on a Sunday for about three hours unexpectedly, and we wrapped, I believe, on September 9th, 8th?

00:04:52.000 Yeah, it was very quick.

00:04:53.000 That's from conception to we're wrapped in the movie shot.

00:04:56.000 From let's make a movie about something in late February.

00:05:00.000 To out ready at the end of September.

00:05:03.000 Wow.

00:05:04.000 It was crazy.

00:05:04.000 It was unheard of.

00:05:05.000 We wrote it kind of, you know, first of all, the pandemic was sort of just starting to wane, but it was still in effect. 0.93

00:05:12.000 And so there was a lot of, we're all so eager to do fucking something. 0.94

00:05:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:05:17.000 You know?

00:05:18.000 And we were used to this empty space and time.

00:05:20.000 So he came up to my place upstate a couple of times.

00:05:23.000 We just wrote on a blackboard.

00:05:25.000 And also, it depends on the movie.

00:05:27.000 I knew what this movie should be from the very beginning.

00:05:29.000 Like, we just felt what this movie was about, what the engines were that were going to run.

00:05:34.000 We knew DePaulo was going to play this guy.

00:05:36.000 We knew Tony V was going to play all these guys.

00:05:38.000 So the voices were so clear that it was an easy...

00:05:42.000 Sometimes you feel like you're taking dictation when you write a movie.

00:05:45.000 Like, it's just telling itself to you.

00:05:48.000 So the writing was a lot quicker than usual.

00:05:49.000 And because it's just me financing it, there was nobody to send the script to, wait for comments.

00:05:54.000 We just finished and we wrote, that's it.

00:05:58.000 And then we went back over it and reworked it a few times so we're not wasting any money when you shoot.

00:06:05.000 Try to cut it down because you're probably going to cut anyway.

00:06:08.000 And then start hiring folks.

00:06:09.000 And this is just simple.

00:06:10.000 You know, I give it to my assistant, Leah, who's also my producer.

00:06:13.000 She's the executive producer of the movie.

00:06:14.000 She does everything for me.

00:06:16.000 So she started getting it to, you know, the heads of departments.

00:06:20.000 We started hiring people.

00:06:21.000 Got a casting agent.

00:06:22.000 She started casting.

00:06:23.000 Just start working, working, working.

00:06:25.000 And then everything else gets dictated by, like, where are you shooting?

00:06:29.000 You're shooting in a house.

00:06:29.000 When is it available?

00:06:31.000 That house is available for these weeks.

00:06:32.000 So that's our target.

00:06:34.000 And try to get everything together by then.

00:06:36.000 And the people that you got are fantastic, too.

00:06:39.000 The woman who plays your mother is amazing.

00:06:41.000 Yeah, Paula Plum. 1.00

00:06:42.000 Paula Plum.

00:06:43.000 They're all Boston actors.

00:06:45.000 Everybody in the movie is local, either comedians from Boston, including me and Joe, are actors.

00:06:52.000 She's a storied Boston actor.

00:06:55.000 She's in every great play that takes place in Boston.

00:06:57.000 And actually her and the dad, Bob Walsh, who played the dad, they have played man and wife in many plays, like in a major play, not in Broadway, but in Boston, which in Boston, that's big, you know? 0.97

00:07:09.000 And she was fucking great. 0.88

00:07:11.000 That was the hardest thing, how we're going to find this woman. 0.99

00:07:14.000 She was so good.

00:07:15.000 Yeah.

00:07:16.000 Like, just even the way she hugs you, it's like exactly like that lady would hug you.

00:07:20.000 Yeah, who can't, she can't, she can't.

00:07:24.000 There's so many good lines in the movie, too.

00:07:27.000 Like, we're talking about the ex-girl phone. 0.99

00:07:28.000 Oh, the one with the mouth and the tits? 1.00

00:07:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:30.000 The one with the mouth and the tits. 1.00

00:07:32.000 That's a true story, by the way, that I tell. 0.99

00:07:34.000 I have an ex-girlfriend that when we first started dating, we've been together for like a few weeks, and it was like popping off.

00:07:39.000 We love each other.

00:07:40.000 Oh, my God.

00:07:41.000 And she left her email open, and I searched my name, thinking I would find all these great things she's saying about me behind my back. 1.00

00:07:48.000 So stupid. 1.00

00:07:49.000 It was really bad. 1.00

00:07:50.000 And there was like a chat, like a G-chat, Gmail chat, between her and her best friend.

00:07:54.000 And she literally was like, I just met this guy.

00:07:57.000 I think I'm in love with him.

00:07:58.000 He's the funniest guy I've ever met.

00:08:00.000 I'm not attracted to him, but I'm going to give it a shot.

00:08:03.000 And I just read it.

00:08:05.000 And then, like, you know, she comes home a few hours later and it's like, hey.

00:08:08.000 And I'm like, hey.

00:08:10.000 And it's brutal.

00:08:10.000 It still lingers, by the way.

00:08:12.000 Was that the end of it?

00:08:13.000 No, because...

00:08:15.000 I couldn't, first of all, I was in love with her, and it wasn't a confidence boost.

00:08:20.000 I was like, I can't go be single now, knowing I'm ugly.

00:08:22.000 But it's like, the person who loved me the most in the world, behind my back, described me as unattractive.

00:08:30.000 Horrible.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, it's horrible.

00:08:31.000 That's why I'm behind this mic as much as I can be right now.

00:08:35.000 It's horrible.

00:08:37.000 That's why we had an easy time writing the movie, too, because he has these stories.

00:08:41.000 So he would just tell me stuff like that.

00:08:43.000 And I know from experience what's going to work in a script.

00:08:46.000 I've written them before.

00:08:46.000 I've directed them before.

00:08:47.000 So he would just tell me that, and I'm like, it's going in.

00:08:50.000 That's got to be in here.

00:08:52.000 We had to change the names, of course.

00:08:53.000 We had to change the names.

00:08:54.000 Of course.

00:08:55.000 But yeah, and his wife is played by his own real wife, Sarah.

00:09:01.000 I mean, in the movie, she's called Beth.

00:09:04.000 Sarah Tollemacher is a very funny comedian. 0.60

00:09:06.000 She's great in it, too.

00:09:07.000 Oh, thanks.

00:09:08.000 She's very natural.

00:09:08.000 Everybody was very natural.

00:09:10.000 Yeah.

00:09:10.000 And Paula was the one who was, the mom was the tour de force acting job, and also the dad.

00:09:16.000 Because the thing that's hardest in the world to get people to act is that they can't do things emotionally.

00:09:22.000 Actors can have big tantrums and they can cry. 0.99

00:09:27.000 That's actually not hard as an actor.

00:09:29.000 What's hard is what she's playing, which is unaware of herself.

00:09:33.000 Unable emotionally and unaware and in a narcissistic bubble.

00:09:38.000 That's so hard to get someone to play who's actually a sensitive person.

00:09:42.000 Acting is supposed to be about connecting and she's playing a woman who can't connect. 1.00

00:09:46.000 For her reason, and then the dad, the same thing.

00:09:48.000 He can't connect because he just is disabled by his generation. 1.00

00:09:53.000 And by anxiety, we find out, really, he has the same problem that his son does. 0.99

00:09:57.000 But in his generation, you don't fucking say anxiety. 0.97

00:10:00.000 You're just quiet. 0.99

00:10:01.000 You drink and you're quiet. 0.99

00:10:04.000 So that was where the two hardest, and we got these great fucking actors to play those parts. 0.98

00:10:09.000 And so you're releasing it only on your website? 0.97

00:10:12.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 You're not going to put it out anywhere else afterwards?

00:10:14.000 I mean, we'll see, you know, but right now, the best mouth to drink in the interest is the website.

00:10:20.000 It just comes right to us.

00:10:22.000 We did a big theatrical run also.

00:10:23.000 Yeah, it was in the theaters for a month, and it was killing.

00:10:27.000 Really?

00:10:27.000 Yeah, it was...

00:10:29.000 Like AMC Theaters and Regal and a few theaters, what they do if they don't give you a full run, they just go, you can have every city for one night.

00:10:36.000 Like at 7 o'clock on a Wednesday, we were in 70 screens across the country.

00:10:41.000 And they all sold out and doubled.

00:10:44.000 In a lot of cities, we were like in three theaters, like Thor or something. 0.99

00:10:48.000 Holy shit. 0.91

00:10:49.000 Yeah, and at the Lemley in L.A., it got held over like three, four weeks, I think. 0.99

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:54.000 It just kept getting held over.

00:10:56.000 In New York, we had a premiere at the Beacon Theater, and we packed it, and everybody watched the movie in the Beacon Theater, and it was huge. 0.98

00:11:02.000 That's fucking amazing. 0.96

00:11:04.000 It was huge laughs. 0.99

00:11:05.000 I don't want to derail the conversation. 0.99

00:11:06.000 My ass just fell off on the rug, and I feel terrible. 0.99

00:11:09.000 Okay, great. 1.00

00:11:09.000 No one gives a shit here. 1.00

00:11:10.000 That was helpful. 0.99

00:11:10.000 There is an ashtray. 0.99

00:11:11.000 Well, it fell.

00:11:12.000 I didn't ash on the road.

00:11:14.000 You could ash on the table.

00:11:15.000 It doesn't matter.

00:11:16.000 But it fell.

00:11:17.000 It was a mistake.

00:11:17.000 It doesn't matter.

00:11:18.000 People loved watching the movie together, I think, in crowds and laughing.

00:11:24.000 It was really fun to be in a cinema where people are laughing so you can't hear the dialogue.

00:11:28.000 That's the best feeling in the world.

00:11:30.000 Oh, man.

00:11:30.000 That's great.

00:11:31.000 It was pretty magical.

00:11:32.000 And there was laughs where we didn't expect laughs.

00:11:34.000 For me, it's like about my life.

00:11:37.000 Basically, my mother's much nicer.

00:11:39.000 I don't know where the camera is.

00:11:40.000 My mother's wonderful.

00:11:41.000 She's not a sociopath.

00:11:43.000 But, you know, to you, everything about you is dramatic.

00:11:46.000 And then there's moments that happen in the movie with this huge house room laugh.

00:11:50.000 And I was like, I didn't even think that was funny.

00:11:53.000 Like when the dad...

00:11:54.000 I don't want to give too much away, but I try to talk to my parents and my dad just responds by being like...

00:11:58.000 Jesus.

00:11:59.000 And takes a sip of beer.

00:12:00.000 I thought it was like a sad moment.

00:12:01.000 And the place like explodes with laughter.

00:12:03.000 And different in each city.

00:12:04.000 Like we did big screenings, premieres with us there and cast members.

00:12:10.000 In the Beacon and then in Boston at the Schubert and then at the Vic in Chicago. 1.00

00:12:14.000 So in New York, he tells his family off the moment where he just really lets him have it and says, fuck you to his mom. 0.99

00:12:21.000 Don't give away too much. 1.00

00:12:22.000 Too bad.

00:12:23.000 Listen, it doesn't matter.

00:12:24.000 The New York crowd went berserk.

00:12:27.000 They cheered like, yeah, because we're all in New York.

00:12:30.000 Right. 0.99

00:12:30.000 We all came from some fucking town and it was a fantasy for them. 0.99

00:12:34.000 And everybody's like, that's right, that's right. 1.00

00:12:36.000 Right.

00:12:36.000 Then we take the movie to Boston, where everybody's from.

00:12:40.000 And that moment, the crowd was like, oh no. 1.00

00:12:44.000 When he said, fuck you mom, it was like, oh no, you don't say that. 1.00

00:12:50.000 And so totally split. 1.00

00:12:52.000 But then later when his uncle has, they have this fight where it brings, in both cases, brought the audience back together because he kind of levels the thing out.

00:13:04.000 And so to me that's a successful movie, one that it gets completely different reactions from different people.

00:13:10.000 But they all like it.

00:13:12.000 Is this the first time you've ever released something just directly?

00:13:15.000 I know you did your animated show.

00:13:17.000 You released that directly on your website, too, right?

00:13:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:20.000 Which one?

00:13:21.000 Animated?

00:13:21.000 Horace and Pete.

00:13:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:22.000 Horace and Pete.

00:13:22.000 That was the stage show.

00:13:24.000 Yeah, this is the first thing I've made besides stand-up specials.

00:13:30.000 I have two new ones that are out now.

00:13:33.000 But that's the first movie I've ever put out on my site directly.

00:13:37.000 And you've just been doing mostly your stand-up specials that way, right?

00:13:40.000 Stand-up specials.

00:13:41.000 Also, my series, Louie, on FX, that's on my website, too, exclusively.

00:13:45.000 I licensed it from FX and from Disney, who actually owns it.

00:13:49.000 And so you can buy it on my website.

00:13:51.000 I got them to give it to me exclusive, so I wouldn't have to compete.

00:13:55.000 So you can buy the whole series all five seasons for $30 for the whole five seasons.

00:14:01.000 Do you think you'll ever get to a point where your website is like a subscription thing?

00:14:04.000 Like a fucking Hulu type deal where you could just subscribe to your website and get all the things?

00:14:10.000 I think that's tough because it's not that much content. 0.98

00:14:13.000 I mean, there's packages.

00:14:15.000 I have seven stand-up hour specials on there now.

00:14:18.000 And you can buy them all for $25.

00:14:20.000 So that unlocks all of them.

00:14:21.000 You can stream them.

00:14:22.000 You can download them and own them and whatever.

00:14:25.000 That's just the way it's always been between me and my fans on the website.

00:14:30.000 I put stuff out once in a while, set a price that's just enough for me to get some profit and get the money back.

00:14:38.000 So it lets me operate independently, and it's outside of the kind of algorithmic.

00:14:43.000 The thing is that those...

00:14:45.000 Platforms depend on algorithmic plug-in and it's a very different model.

00:14:49.000 They also have billions of dollars to create content and license content.

00:14:55.000 I don't know where it's going.

00:14:56.000 It's starting to be a lot of stuff.

00:14:59.000 There's a lot of stuff on the website.

00:15:00.000 Yeah, that's what I'm getting to.

00:15:02.000 I thought about that, too, because a lot of people are starting to do that now.

00:15:06.000 Schultz released his new special completely on his website, and a lot of people are doing those kind of things now because you do encounter these problems with streaming services and censorship and just weird, just having their input on content.

00:15:24.000 It's not fun.

00:15:25.000 No, of course not.

00:15:27.000 Because when you're on a streaming service or on any platform, they have their own problems.

00:15:31.000 And because they're all owned by larger and larger corporations, they can't do anything that wiggles too much.

00:15:39.000 So they have just too many concerns.

00:15:41.000 And that's the way I look at it.

00:15:42.000 It's not like oppression. 0.99

00:15:43.000 It's just like they're too mixed in with other shit to be my boss because I want to be able to fuck around and have fun. 0.99

00:15:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:15:50.000 So, you know, and so for me, I mean, I've been doing this since like 2010 when I put my first special on my website.

00:15:56.000 And I like it.

00:15:57.000 I like the way, the feeling of it.

00:15:59.000 Everybody that's bought a ticket to one of my shows or has bought one of my shows is on my email list.

00:16:03.000 So they get told.

00:16:05.000 It's different now because social media and the algorithm is kind of a giant suck. 1.00

00:16:11.000 It does suck. 0.98

00:16:12.000 Well, it's like everything is directed to you. 0.98

00:16:15.000 You're told what's coming next by the algorithm.

00:16:18.000 It's tailored to each person.

00:16:20.000 And it's hard. 0.99

00:16:21.000 People have less of an impulse to look around and to find their own shit. 0.98

00:16:27.000 You know, nobody picks up a flyer anymore. 0.97

00:16:29.000 What is this strange thing?

00:16:31.000 You know, going to midnight movies, the kind of way that people used to find things outside of the corporate sort of old algorithm of advertising.

00:16:39.000 So now it just keeps coming to your phone so you know it's coming. 0.87

00:16:44.000 So I think, though, that people are starting to want to make more of an effort to find their own shit, to find something that's not in that thing.

00:16:53.000 So that's why I like to keep my website the same and the same model and the same way I've always done it because we keep getting more people. 0.83

00:17:02.000 And that's the feeling we got when the movie was in the theater. 0.94

00:17:04.000 It's not like the other shit that's out right now. 0.99

00:17:07.000 It's not a Marvel movie, and it's not about a black girl with one leg who persevered. 0.99

00:17:13.000 It's about a white guy with two legs that perseveres.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:16.000 Who didn't persevere that well, but who did his best.

00:17:19.000 Well, see the film, for God's sake.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:22.000 No, I'm sure.

00:17:23.000 We're going to get people to see the film.

00:17:26.000 Having a special like the one that won the Grammy and knowing that you released it just entirely on your website too has got to be nice too.

00:17:33.000 You've done it completely outside of any other system.

00:17:36.000 You've done it completely independently, released it independently, and it still got recognized.

00:17:40.000 Yes, it's kind of cool to have a Grammy where it should say like MCA Records.

00:17:44.000 It says LewisCK.com.

00:17:48.000 I have two Emmys that have that on there too because I got Emmys for stuff that I did on my website.

00:17:53.000 Wow.

00:17:53.000 So my website has won as many Emmys as a lot of networks have on a given year.

00:17:58.000 That's amazing.

00:17:59.000 And that does feel good.

00:18:01.000 It's fun to have your own shop.

00:18:03.000 And again, you're not responsible to anyone else, which isn't just about being a tyrant and wanting everything to go your way.

00:18:10.000 But you don't have other people's worries.

00:18:13.000 Like when I did Horace and Pete, the experiment was I want to make a real TV series with huge names.

00:18:22.000 I mean, Steve Buscemi, Alan Alda, Jessica Lange, Edie Falco.

00:18:27.000 That was the cast.

00:18:28.000 And no one knew what was coming.

00:18:30.000 I didn't promote it.

00:18:31.000 I didn't tell the press about it.

00:18:32.000 I didn't send it out for reviews.

00:18:34.000 I just one day sent an email to my folks saying, Horace and Pete is available.

00:18:40.000 That was it.

00:18:40.000 And I wanted to see what'll happen.

00:18:42.000 I knew it wasn't a good idea in terms of financially.

00:18:48.000 But I didn't want someone with money to be telling me, dude, you can't do that to me.

00:18:53.000 I invested.

00:18:53.000 And they would be right.

00:18:55.000 I paid for it entirely myself.

00:18:58.000 I mean, I took a line of credit.

00:19:00.000 But that show made enough on the website to pay that back.

00:19:05.000 And then Hulu licensed it for another millions of dollars.

00:19:09.000 So I was able to write checks, which is my favorite thing.

00:19:13.000 To me, getting checks is fun, but writing...

00:19:15.000 I wrote a check to Steve Buscemi for hundreds of thousands of dollars and went to Alan Alda, who I grew up watching, and I wrote him my company check. 0.96

00:19:21.000 I wrote him a big fucking, you know, he could buy a house with that. 0.97

00:19:24.000 That feels good. 0.99

00:19:25.000 I can't wait for my check.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, you're not getting any check.

00:19:30.000 It is very cool to be able to do things independently and to not have the input.

00:19:34.000 Because no matter what people like to think, they are, in some way at least, you're influenced by the people that make the decisions.

00:19:42.000 By the people that spend the money, by the network itself, by the standards that people have in the network, and the tone of the time.

00:19:49.000 It's very difficult to be independently, artistically creative like that.

00:19:53.000 Well, also it feels like anyone that has a job feels the need to, you know, what do you call that, make it, and that's shown that they need to have the job, what's that word?

00:20:03.000 Validate?

00:20:04.000 So if you send it to someone to be like, hey, will you read this?

00:20:07.000 They feel like they have to give you notes.

00:20:09.000 They're not going to just say, good job.

00:20:10.000 Yeah, perfect, just run it, make it.

00:20:12.000 They're like, oh, we have to say something or else we don't...

00:20:16.000 That's always the biggest problem with network notes is the person that feels like they have to say something.

00:20:21.000 There's always these people that feel like they have to have a voice.

00:20:24.000 That's right. 0.91

00:20:25.000 It's so gross. 0.81

00:20:26.000 They're also accountable to somebody else.

00:20:29.000 That's what I started to learn the more I did work for big companies. 1.00

00:20:32.000 The guy who's giving you shit, he's getting shit from somebody else. 1.00

00:20:36.000 Yes. 1.00

00:20:36.000 And so there are strategies for taking them under your wing and saying, how can I help you in your work day so that you can leave me alone? 1.00

00:20:44.000 It's also got to be a helpless feeling if you're an executive and you're just counting on these maniacs.

00:20:49.000 Yes.

00:20:50.000 And you don't know how to do it.

00:20:52.000 You don't know how to write. 1.00

00:20:52.000 And these fucking guys are assholes. 1.00

00:20:54.000 Artists are assholes. 1.00

00:20:55.000 So they're just like, fuck you. 1.00

00:20:57.000 I want to do this. 1.00

00:20:59.000 And now that there's a sort of a sense of being careful, the problem is the audience gets screwed.

00:21:06.000 Because the only things that are fun to watch is something where you go, I never saw that.

00:21:10.000 I never thought somebody would have done that.

00:21:12.000 This is what's fun to watch are astonishing things.

00:21:16.000 And astonishing is dangerous.

00:21:18.000 So if you're working in any of these algorithmic platforms, they have to be really careful.

00:21:25.000 I mean, there's exceptions.

00:21:27.000 Some of them are doing a good job.

00:21:30.000 There is cool stuff out there.

00:21:31.000 Oh, there's a lot of cool stuff out there.

00:21:32.000 It's really amazing how much cool stuff out there there is when you do think about that process, though.

00:21:37.000 That's right.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, all of your favorite TV shows and movies were made in most of them in a studio system.

00:21:44.000 Yeah.

00:21:45.000 So, you know, you can be clever.

00:21:47.000 You know, and get around it.

00:21:49.000 It is possible.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, it can be done, but it's got to be very nice to not have to deal with any of that.

00:21:56.000 It is.

00:21:56.000 Also, things like there's no stars in this movie.

00:21:58.000 There's nobody.

00:21:59.000 I didn't need anybody to carry the movie.

00:22:01.000 He's the star of the movie.

00:22:04.000 I mean, I got some YouTube specials.

00:22:08.000 But no, that's true.

00:22:10.000 You're the biggest star in the movie.

00:22:11.000 I'm the biggest star in the movie.

00:22:14.000 But everybody else is just, we pick them for their acting.

00:22:19.000 When you get big names to be in your thing, it's like the grace they have to come down to your thing is what you're counting on.

00:22:26.000 But when you pick people who haven't done something so big before, it's the grace of them stepping up and doing something they didn't know they could do.

00:22:33.000 You can see in their eyes in the movie, everybody in this movie, you can see that they're like, I've never had a part this big, and they're nailing it.

00:22:40.000 It was just so fun.

00:22:42.000 Dorothy Dwyer, who was a comic in Boston when we were kids, And I knew.

00:22:47.000 She was just a nice lady who I knew. 1.00

00:22:49.000 And she was funny.

00:22:50.000 And now she's in sweatpants doing this hilarious character in this movie. 1.00

00:22:54.000 And every time I was watching her, I had my hand over my mouth like, I can't believe how great this is.

00:22:58.000 Like, I was very emotional.

00:23:00.000 Wow.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

00:23:02.000 So when you're doing something like this and you're also touring, because you're still touring a lot, how do you allocate the time?

00:23:09.000 Do you just decide to take a couple of months off and not do any stand-up?

00:23:13.000 Or how do you handle that?

00:23:15.000 We've gotten kind of good at segmenting time.

00:23:18.000 When you're not thinking about something, you put it aside like it doesn't exist at all.

00:23:22.000 So with this thing, we wrote it.

00:23:25.000 Then we were in pre-production.

00:23:27.000 I think I toured during pre-production.

00:23:29.000 I think you shot a special the night before we went into production.

00:23:32.000 That's right.

00:23:33.000 Which I argued against pretty hard.

00:23:35.000 I was like, I don't think that's a great idea.

00:23:36.000 Why did you think it was a bad idea?

00:23:38.000 Well, I just was like, why don't we just focus on the movie?

00:23:41.000 But we're different.

00:23:42.000 Different kinds of guys, obviously.

00:23:44.000 And he's like, I'm thinking about shooting a special literally the night before we started shooting.

00:23:48.000 Maybe there was one day.

00:23:49.000 It was one day between. 0.98

00:23:51.000 Yeah, and I was like, you could shoot after. 0.95

00:23:53.000 That's probably for the best. 0.96

00:23:54.000 That's right.

00:23:54.000 But I lost that argument.

00:23:57.000 But it's better to do it that way than to do it the other way.

00:24:00.000 Because if you shoot afterwards, then you haven't done stand-up in a long time.

00:24:02.000 That's right.

00:24:02.000 For the special, it was better.

00:24:04.000 And also...

00:24:05.000 Joe was being selfish.

00:24:06.000 Yes.

00:24:06.000 No, he wasn't being selfish.

00:24:07.000 He was being conscious of his...

00:24:09.000 Corner of the part, which was the movie. 0.99

00:24:12.000 But what I had in mind is that I need to finance the fucking movie. 0.98

00:24:17.000 And the special is guaranteed cash. 0.99

00:24:19.000 I know what I make for specials.

00:24:21.000 So I didn't have enough money really to make the movie.

00:24:24.000 But I knew if I make the special and then the movie, one way or the other, I'm going to come out ahead.

00:24:29.000 Because the special's just going to make, you know...

00:24:30.000 It took the budget of the special and the movie kind of combined them as this year's output and figured if the special makes what it used to make, what I'm used to, and it far exceeded it, it did really great.

00:24:42.000 So, yeah, so it works.

00:24:45.000 So I needed to shoot.

00:24:47.000 Now I can tell you. 0.98

00:24:49.000 I needed it.

00:24:50.000 Otherwise, there wouldn't have been no movie without a special.

00:24:52.000 Well, it was also scary because we shot within your touring schedule.

00:24:56.000 So we had no room for, no margin of error.

00:24:59.000 And then the first day of production, my wife was, she was gone.

00:25:04.000 She was doing Zany's.

00:25:05.000 She's a comedian. 1.00

00:25:05.000 She was at Zany's. 1.00

00:25:07.000 She came home.

00:25:07.000 So I'm terrified someone's going to test positive for COVID because this is still COVID-y times.

00:25:12.000 And I'm like, if someone gets COVID because it's SAG or whatever union shit, they'll shut us down. 0.94

00:25:18.000 And there's no place to reshoot. 0.98

00:25:19.000 She comes home from Chicago.

00:25:22.000 First night, you know, we're making out. 1.00

00:25:23.000 We're having anal. 1.00

00:25:24.000 She's fucking me. 1.00

00:25:26.000 And she gets a text. 1.00

00:25:28.000 The guy, a friend of hers that she was with the day before, is positive for COVID. So I was like, you fucked me. 0.99

00:25:35.000 This movie's gonna derail. 0.99

00:25:37.000 If anybody had gotten COVID, the movie wouldn't have gotten made.

00:25:39.000 Yes.

00:25:40.000 We didn't have room.

00:25:42.000 She ended up being negative.

00:25:44.000 Positive for herpes, but negative for...

00:25:47.000 I feel like I have to say, I'm just kidding.

00:25:49.000 I have herpes.

00:25:49.000 She doesn't.

00:25:50.000 In case I die, I want her to be able to get laid. 1.00

00:25:53.000 Do you still get herpes tests, just to get that positive?

00:25:56.000 I don't get tests, but I get outbreaks, and I'm like, there's two lines there.

00:26:02.000 Definitely still have it.

00:26:04.000 You got your antibody strong.

00:26:05.000 I'll probably have it after this.

00:26:06.000 I'm on no sleep.

00:26:07.000 I'm stressed.

00:26:09.000 Lucky strikes.

00:26:10.000 Lucky strikes.

00:26:11.000 I ripped the filter off because I don't...

00:26:13.000 Really?

00:26:13.000 That's a lucky.

00:26:15.000 No filters.

00:26:17.000 Smoked occasionally.

00:26:18.000 I like a cigarette before a show. 0.99

00:26:19.000 Cigarettes before shows are fucking fun. 0.98

00:26:22.000 Cigarettes have a lot of... 1.00

00:26:23.000 They give you a lot of fuck it. 1.00

00:26:25.000 Cigarettes have like, fuck it. 1.00

00:26:27.000 There's fuck it built into a cigarette. 1.00

00:26:29.000 You just smoke a cigarette, you're like... 1.00

00:26:31.000 It's true.

00:26:32.000 I think a cigarette is like the world is...

00:26:34.000 You just found out the world's ending?

00:26:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:36.000 Light a fucking smoke. 1.00

00:26:37.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:26:37.000 It's the first thing I would do. 1.00

00:26:38.000 Yeah.

00:26:39.000 I always keep cigarettes in my house for that moment because I'm expecting it. 1.00

00:26:43.000 And they help you shit. 1.00

00:26:44.000 Do they? 1.00

00:26:45.000 I don't know.

00:26:45.000 Nicotine, right?

00:26:46.000 Doesn't it get it going?

00:26:47.000 I don't know.

00:26:48.000 Nicotine and coffee definitely do.

00:26:49.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, there's something about nicotine and coffee that just opens up the port.

00:26:54.000 Let's go.

00:26:56.000 Just let it fall out.

00:26:57.000 You don't even have to squeeze.

00:26:58.000 Yeah, I don't know what's happening.

00:27:00.000 I wonder if amyl nitrate does that. 0.99

00:27:03.000 That's the reason why gay guys like poppers. 1.00

00:27:05.000 It's because it relaxes your asshole muscles. 1.00

00:27:08.000 Is that true? 1.00

00:27:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:27:09.000 Yeah, that's part of... 0.99

00:27:11.000 It's like a feeling of euphoria, apparently, and also relaxing your asshole muscles and also destroying your immune system. 0.99

00:27:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:27:18.000 They still do that? 0.99

00:27:20.000 I don't know.

00:27:20.000 I gotta ask.

00:27:21.000 I feel like a lot of this has changed since the 80s.

00:27:22.000 You should put a poll out.

00:27:23.000 Yeah.

00:27:24.000 What is a popper? 0.98

00:27:25.000 Those animal nitrate, you crack this thing under your nose, and it makes you make that sound, and then you cum. 0.99

00:27:33.000 Let's get some. 0.98

00:27:34.000 Get three of them right now.

00:27:35.000 Let's get weird.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, well, we have smelling salts, which is almost as good.

00:27:39.000 Oh, those are fun.

00:27:40.000 Have you ever smelled those?

00:27:41.000 I have, yeah, in elementary school.

00:27:42.000 Oh, not elementary school.

00:27:43.000 I guess it was high school.

00:27:44.000 In school, whatever school is called.

00:27:46.000 I was, like, pretending to be sick to get out of class, and then the teacher gave me smelling salts, and it was quite a thrill.

00:27:53.000 It's a jolt.

00:27:54.000 Yeah, it was a jolt.

00:27:55.000 It's to wake you up when you passed out, right?

00:27:57.000 Yeah, it's like after you got a big hit.

00:27:59.000 Well, in the old days in football, they'd just give you smelling salts, but now they've sent you in the tent.

00:28:03.000 But hockey players do it before a game.

00:28:05.000 Have you ever seen videos of, like, a boxing match I saw in Africa somewhere, and a guy was knocked out, and his trainer goes over and reaches in his shorts and just starts jacking him off?

00:28:14.000 Wake him up.

00:28:15.000 Have you ever seen that?

00:28:16.000 Yes.

00:28:16.000 I have seen that.

00:28:17.000 Stop it.

00:28:17.000 I've seen this in many places.

00:28:18.000 I've seen that.

00:28:19.000 It's just a normal heterosexual athletic idea.

00:28:22.000 I don't understand why they do that.

00:28:23.000 I think it might just be a perv who just says, I know how to fix it.

00:28:26.000 Can we pull this up?

00:28:27.000 Because I'm not buying it. 0.99

00:28:28.000 I think you guys are fucking with me. 1.00

00:28:30.000 We'll find some old wives tales. 1.00

00:28:31.000 There's quite a few of those.

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 That's weird. 0.98

00:28:34.000 When you get kicked in the nuts, and here it goes. 0.98

00:28:36.000 Here we go. 0.99

00:28:37.000 What?

00:28:38.000 Come on. 1.00

00:28:39.000 He's like, let me grab his cock now that he is out. 1.00

00:28:42.000 Yeah, waterboard him first. 1.00

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 Oh my god.

00:28:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:47.000 See, he's rubbing his dick and the other guy's rubbing his tummy. 1.00

00:28:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:28:53.000 Yeah, he's pulling on his cock. 1.00

00:28:54.000 Maybe the idea is to be like, why is this guy jerking me off? 1.00

00:28:57.000 I gotta wake up. 0.99

00:28:59.000 That's it.

00:29:00.000 Wait a minute.

00:29:01.000 He's still, by the way, he's either still passed out or he's enjoying it.

00:29:06.000 The guy on the top is just playing bongos on his head.

00:29:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:29:09.000 Is this from a fight?

00:29:11.000 I think it was a fight.

00:29:12.000 You see those people circled around?

00:29:13.000 It was a car accident.

00:29:14.000 Oh, he's got blood coming out of the nose.

00:29:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:16.000 Oh, this is...

00:29:17.000 I know what this is.

00:29:18.000 This is that...

00:29:19.000 I think they only have, like, one glove on.

00:29:21.000 One glove.

00:29:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:29:22.000 They hit each other with one hand only.

00:29:23.000 This is the Michael Jackson fight.

00:29:24.000 Oh.

00:29:25.000 That was it.

00:29:25.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:29:26.000 Wow.

00:29:27.000 Is it a protective glove?

00:29:29.000 It doesn't even look like it has padding.

00:29:30.000 Yeah, it has padding.

00:29:31.000 There's a glove that some Muay Thai fighters wear where the fingers are exposed, and it's basically like glorified hand wraps.

00:29:38.000 It's like thicker hand wraps, and they fight like that.

00:29:41.000 No kidding.

00:29:41.000 I was watching a Muay Thai movie, a Cambodian movie, in a hotel, and they did rope fighting.

00:29:47.000 They put ropes around their wrists.

00:29:49.000 Brutal.

00:29:50.000 It's a good movie, I forget what it's called.

00:29:52.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:29:52.000 There's a type of fighting called Letwe that's big in Myanmar, and they headbutt, they fight bare knuckle, they headbutt each other, elbow each other, it's fucking ruthless. 0.94

00:30:05.000 They must not last very long. 0.93

00:30:06.000 I had the main guy, David LaDuke, in here, the champion, and he's fucking nicest guy in the world. 0.83

00:30:12.000 Wow. 0.80

00:30:12.000 So nice and funny and is a vegan. 0.80

00:30:16.000 Yeah, interesting cat.

00:30:18.000 Wow.

00:30:19.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 It's weird when people get knocked out, the stuff their bodies do, like the arms going up.

00:30:25.000 I remember when Ricky Hatton got knocked out by Pacquiao, I think, and he did this weird...

00:30:30.000 And they start snoring right away.

00:30:32.000 Right away, yeah. 1.00

00:30:33.000 Fucking must be horrible. 1.00

00:30:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:35.000 The first time I ever saw someone knocked out, that's what was so weird about it.

00:30:38.000 It was the snoring.

00:30:40.000 Instantaneous snoring.

00:30:41.000 If you don't snore in your regular life, do you snore when you get knocked out?

00:30:46.000 Or is it only snorer?

00:30:47.000 That's a good question.

00:30:48.000 That's a good question.

00:30:49.000 I'm not sure.

00:30:51.000 I've seen people get knocked out and not snore.

00:30:53.000 It's like a deep sleep, sudden deep sleep.

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 And when they wake up, they have zero idea what happened, and they keep asking.

00:30:59.000 So if you got knocked out, you'd be like, what happened?

00:31:01.000 And I'd go, dude, you just got knocked out.

00:31:03.000 And you'd be like, what is going on?

00:31:05.000 What happened?

00:31:06.000 Like, have to ask over and over again?

00:31:07.000 Over and over again.

00:31:08.000 You don't remember.

00:31:09.000 Like, hours later, you might not remember.

00:31:10.000 Like, hours later, you'd be like, when are we fighting?

00:31:12.000 Like, you already fought.

00:31:13.000 You got knocked out.

00:31:14.000 Jesus Christ.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:15.000 When you're with friends that have been knocked out, it's very...

00:31:19.000 I've never been knocked unconscious, but I've been TKO'd, which is a lot different.

00:31:24.000 Like, you just legs give out, and I just went down, but I was awake the whole time.

00:31:28.000 So I don't know what it's like to just wake up, but it seems very jarring.

00:31:33.000 It seems like they look very confused.

00:31:35.000 I've interviewed a bunch of guys that have been knocked out, and I kind of said at a certain point in time, I'm not going to do that anymore, because sometimes they wouldn't remember what happened, and they'd remember things that didn't happen.

00:31:44.000 Like one guy, he got knocked out, and he was like, the guy tapped.

00:31:47.000 He tapped.

00:31:48.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:31:50.000 There was a time in the fight where he tapped out.

00:31:52.000 And so we actually had to play the replay, unfortunately.

00:31:55.000 Like, show me in front of like 15,000 people and millions on TV. Show me where he tapped.

00:32:01.000 You mean right after the fight?

00:32:03.000 Right after the fight.

00:32:03.000 Wow.

00:32:04.000 And then afterwards I said, hey, I don't think we should do this anymore.

00:32:06.000 No.

00:32:07.000 No more interviewing people after they get knocked out.

00:32:09.000 No, they shouldn't talk to people right after stuff happens.

00:32:12.000 No, but some people want to talk.

00:32:14.000 Some people, after they get KO'd, and some people are great at it.

00:32:18.000 They say, hey, hats off to my opponent.

00:32:20.000 He was the better man, and they know how to put it together, and they can handle it. 0.99

00:32:23.000 It really depends on how bad you got fucked up. 0.97

00:32:27.000 It has to be insane to get knocked out in those big, big fights and wake up with 14,000 people. 0.99

00:32:34.000 How long before they realize, oh right, I was in a prize fight?

00:32:38.000 Is it immediate?

00:32:39.000 I mean, because there must be a moment where they're just like, wait, what is this?

00:32:42.000 What is my life?

00:32:42.000 I mean, even if it's just for a second, and then they're like, oh right, I'm fighting.

00:32:46.000 Also, when you lose consciousness, you lose everything, and then it comes rushing back.

00:32:51.000 So your whole identity kind of leaves you and comes back.

00:32:54.000 Yeah, it's not good for you.

00:32:56.000 That's my number one moral and ethical conflict with being a commentator for fights is that I know these guys are legitimately harming their brains.

00:33:06.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:33:08.000 They all have CTE. All, like, the guys have been fighting for 15 years.

00:33:13.000 It's just a matter of how much.

00:33:14.000 They might have just a small amount, you know, and then they might have a lot.

00:33:17.000 But that thing about, like, being talked to right after, it's like when there's, like, school shootings and the press goes there.

00:33:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:25.000 Like, Anderson Cooper, like, reporting from the fucking school grounds. 1.00

00:33:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:29.000 And they start getting folks to talk. 0.99

00:33:32.000 Yeah.

00:33:32.000 These are folks that don't know what it's like to be on television.

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 They haven't processed what happened at all.

00:33:38.000 And they're like, no, no, you should talk.

00:33:39.000 You should talk.

00:33:41.000 I remember after the awful one in Connecticut, the parents are being told, let us talk to your kid.

00:33:48.000 And they don't know what this is going to feel like.

00:33:50.000 They don't know what's happened.

00:33:51.000 They don't know anything about what's happened.

00:33:52.000 You shouldn't put people on television in that vulnerable state.

00:33:55.000 It's terrible. 0.99

00:33:56.000 It's also terrible because when you've experienced a traumatic event, your memory is really fucked up. 0.94

00:34:01.000 That's one of the things with conspiracy theorists.

00:34:04.000 Like, after a big event, they're like, I heard explosions, I heard this, I saw a man running away. 0.98

00:34:08.000 They don't know what the fuck they remember. 0.98

00:34:10.000 No. 1.00

00:34:10.000 If you have an extraordinary moment that's so outside of the norm, like a plane hitting the Twin Towers, you are so fucked up. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Your reality has been rocked so hard. 0.99

00:34:21.000 It's gonna take you a long time before you process.

00:34:24.000 And even then, It'll never be your memory.

00:34:26.000 It'll never be like a playback of what happened.

00:34:29.000 Yes.

00:34:29.000 Because your body keeps you from that.

00:34:31.000 Your body injects you with adrenaline and turns your brain into a reptilian survival machine.

00:34:37.000 It stops recording, you know, reliably and storing reliably.

00:34:42.000 Yes.

00:34:42.000 So that's like the last person you should ask, you know.

00:34:45.000 Yeah, and then that's why you get so many completely different versions of what happened.

00:34:51.000 People don't know.

00:34:52.000 And then also it's easy to plant a narrative in someone's head.

00:34:55.000 It's easy to tell them what it is, and then they'll start repeating it, even if it's incorrect, when they were actually there.

00:35:01.000 Yep.

00:35:02.000 That's why eyewitness testimony for crimes is very problematic.

00:35:07.000 It's the most unreliable testimony, because people really don't remember.

00:35:11.000 People will be convinced. 0.96

00:35:13.000 They'll have a person on the stand, that's the guy who mugged me, and they're fucking totally wrong.

00:35:16.000 But in their mind, they remember that guy, they see that guy, they see the guy who punched them, they see the guy who stole, and it's not the same guy at all.

00:35:23.000 And in their mind, they just decided this is the person, and the mind sort of fills in with memories. 0.92

00:35:29.000 Memories are a fucking weird thing.

00:35:31.000 I've read that when you remember something, you're just remembering the last time you remembered it. 0.98

00:35:36.000 You're not actually recalling the event.

00:35:39.000 Well, not only that, you're remembering your version of it.

00:35:42.000 And you're remembering what you want, what you need to hang on to.

00:35:45.000 And sometimes you're remembering things that you can't let go of.

00:35:47.000 Yes.

00:35:48.000 And things that are starting to become bigger and bigger.

00:35:51.000 Right.

00:35:51.000 Like OJ. Do you think O.J. really remembers what happened that night?

00:35:55.000 I would like to...

00:35:56.000 I would wonder what his actual memory is like.

00:35:59.000 Well, his book is the memory.

00:36:00.000 Yeah, I got that book.

00:36:01.000 And it's when he's...

00:36:03.000 There's one point where he's in the car and there's a guy in the backseat.

00:36:06.000 He had a character with him who's yelling at him saying, what are you doing, O.J.? You can't do this.

00:36:12.000 And he's telling him, shut up. 0.99

00:36:13.000 This is what people do when they're split in two. 0.99

00:36:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:17.000 So that is probably how he remembers it, you know?

00:36:20.000 Right. 0.95

00:36:20.000 I mean, I don't fucking know, but, you know. 0.95

00:36:23.000 Yeah, I don't fucking know either, but it's... 0.97

00:36:26.000 Watching that guy on Twitter is fucking fascinating. 0.92

00:36:29.000 Have you ever watched his videos? 0.97

00:36:30.000 Like, hello, Twitter world.

00:36:32.000 It's yours truly, OJ Simpson.

00:36:33.000 You need to see it.

00:36:34.000 You haven't seen this?

00:36:35.000 You need to see some of these. 0.99

00:36:36.000 They're fucking incredible. 0.99

00:36:37.000 And he's so oblivious that he'll comment on, like, murders. 1.00

00:36:41.000 Like, this is so senseless.

00:36:43.000 And then look in the comments. 1.00

00:36:45.000 I don't know if he reads the comments or not, but it's all like knives and shit. 1.00

00:36:50.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:36:52.000 It's fucking crazy, and he's out there golfing. 1.00

00:36:54.000 I mean, the guy allegedly killed two people with a fucking knife, which is one of the most horrific ways to kill someone. 1.00

00:37:01.000 Almost cut her head off, down to the bone, down to the spine. 1.00

00:37:03.000 Give me some volume on this.

00:37:06.000 It's okay.

00:37:07.000 You tour the world as me, yours truly, while I'm...

00:37:10.000 Been watching, you know, the Golf Channel as they get ready for the open.

00:37:15.000 Sure.

00:37:16.000 And I saw Tiger and his comments about the live golf and I agree with 95% of what he said, but I couldn't disagree with it more.

00:37:27.000 With something that he said that all these announcers seem to be running with, their belief that by getting guaranteed money that these guys are going to be de-incentivized to work out, I guess.

00:37:42.000 That what's their incentive to work out?

00:37:47.000 Pride!

00:37:48.000 Hey, I've had guaranteed contracts at the end of my NFL contract.

00:37:52.000 I still tell my wife.

00:37:54.000 Trust me.

00:37:56.000 I guarantee you that Tom Brady is working his butt off.

00:38:00.000 There's so many guys in basketball, football, LeBron James, with guaranteed contracts.

00:38:05.000 I don't understand why you're going to disrespect the competitive spirit of golfers being disrespected by golf analysts.

00:38:16.000 Oh, come on, guys.

00:38:17.000 But maybe Mickelson.

00:38:19.000 You know, when you get older, it's harder to go out. 1.00

00:38:23.000 That piece of shit. 1.00

00:38:24.000 Maybe Mickelson's a lady. 1.00

00:38:26.000 He can get older.

00:38:27.000 But Dustin Johnson and Kepka, I don't believe that argument fits.

00:38:33.000 I think these guys, they're young.

00:38:39.000 We're good to go.

00:38:56.000 The guaranteed money portion of it, athletes are athletes.

00:39:00.000 I've known golfers.

00:39:01.000 I've been around them.

00:39:02.000 They're competitors, just like football, baseball, basketball players.

00:39:07.000 Most of the ones that I've met, virtually all of them for that matter, they want to be the best that they can be.

00:39:14.000 Click on that actual thing to see the comments.

00:39:18.000 The impression I get when I watch this is that If OJ hadn't killed his wife and Ron, I think if he had just had his life went naturally the way it was, he'd still be doing that.

00:39:34.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

00:39:35.000 That would still be him doing that.

00:39:37.000 This is like, love you Juice, you're a king, but scroll up a little bit.

00:39:42.000 These guys are my favorite, right there.

00:39:44.000 Agree to disagree on this one, Juice, one of the rare instances we disagree.

00:39:48.000 And that's fine! 1.00

00:39:50.000 Those fucking guys are out there. 1.00

00:39:53.000 I fucking love that there's guys like that out there. 1.00

00:39:56.000 We've disagreed twice ever. 0.99

00:39:58.000 It's on this and chopping the lady's head off. 1.00

00:40:01.000 Those are the two points that I didn't get. 0.98

00:40:02.000 Agree to disagree, Juice.

00:40:04.000 Oh, God.

00:40:05.000 Can I see that later again?

00:40:06.000 Yeah, they're just hoping that he either responds or reads it.

00:40:10.000 I love those oblivious guys.

00:40:14.000 Well, it's like the women who write to serial killers in prison. 1.00

00:40:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:18.000 That's how lonely people are.

00:40:21.000 That's somebody I can connect with.

00:40:22.000 I think a guy like that thinks, O.J. might talk to me.

00:40:26.000 Yes.

00:40:26.000 Because he's at my level because he killed his wife.

00:40:28.000 Yeah.

00:40:29.000 So that makes him not so haughty.

00:40:31.000 He's a bariah.

00:40:32.000 Yeah.

00:40:32.000 If that guy writes to Tom Brady, Tom Brady's not writing back.

00:40:37.000 But O.J. might hit him.

00:40:38.000 Might make him feel like he's alive. 0.97

00:40:40.000 He might send him a DM. He might feel seen if he writes to Joe.

00:40:44.000 Did you read The Run of His Life, the Jeffrey Toobin book about him?

00:40:47.000 No.

00:40:47.000 It's amazing.

00:40:48.000 It's one of the best books ever. 0.97

00:40:49.000 The guy who got busted jerking off? 0.97

00:40:51.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:40:51.000 Jeffrey Toobin? 0.95

00:40:52.000 That guy.

00:40:53.000 They just let him go.

00:40:54.000 They just got rid of him again.

00:40:56.000 They kept him for a little while.

00:40:58.000 This is not.

00:40:59.000 We can't.

00:41:00.000 He wrote an amazing book, but there was a compelling piece of circumstantial evidence that I'm always fascinated by.

00:41:07.000 Two things I remember from that book, but he was doing a TV show at the time about Navy SEALs, and he was...

00:41:14.000 Consulting with a Navy SEAL. And one of the things the Navy SEAL told him is that when they go on a secret mission, they wear all black and black knit caps.

00:41:22.000 Because it's actually a decent disguise, which I don't understand how that works, but it is at night.

00:41:27.000 Makes it harder for you to be described.

00:41:29.000 There you go.

00:41:30.000 Your size and your shape. 0.67

00:41:32.000 So he wore that when he did the killing.

00:41:35.000 He happened to...

00:41:36.000 And they also come up from behind and cut throats or something like that.

00:41:39.000 Yes.

00:41:40.000 So that's how he did it.

00:41:42.000 Did they teach him, like, if a guy comes back to get his sunglasses, here's how you handle that in a moment?

00:41:47.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 That's what the Navy SEALs do.

00:41:48.000 Is that him right after that?

00:41:49.000 What is this?

00:41:50.000 Oh, that's a SEAL trainer.

00:41:51.000 That's him on the defunct show called Frogmen.

00:41:53.000 Oh, on Frogmen.

00:41:55.000 He was training as a Navy SEAL here.

00:41:56.000 That's what he was learning.

00:41:57.000 So he killed him in that fashion. 0.99

00:41:59.000 Goddamn, he was a handsome guy. 0.98

00:42:00.000 He looks better here, yeah, than in the previous video. 0.95

00:42:02.000 Well, he's...

00:42:03.000 That guy's handsome, too. 0.99

00:42:05.000 80 fucking years old. 1.00

00:42:06.000 That's a handsome seal. 0.99

00:42:07.000 Oh, he is a very good-looking guy.

00:42:08.000 Oh, my God.

00:42:08.000 And amazing in Naked Gun.

00:42:10.000 He's very funny in Naked Gun.

00:42:12.000 Very funny.

00:42:12.000 It's so crazy when someone like that does something like what he did.

00:42:17.000 Yeah.

00:42:17.000 I mean, it hasn't happened very often, but there's a few that, like, was it the woman who drowned Natalie Wood?

00:42:24.000 Is that it?

00:42:25.000 Oh, Robert.

00:42:26.000 Natalie Wood drowned.

00:42:27.000 Yeah.

00:42:27.000 Robert Wagner?

00:42:28.000 Yeah.

00:42:28.000 Robert Wagner did not kill her, though.

00:42:30.000 Damn. 0.99

00:42:31.000 I watched the documentary, so I know. 1.00

00:42:33.000 No, I don't fucking know. 0.94

00:42:34.000 Yeah, I don't know either, but there's some people that were on the boat. 1.00

00:42:39.000 That story's fucked. 0.99

00:42:40.000 There's a lot. 1.00

00:42:41.000 I don't want to comment on it, because I don't have the facts at my disposal, but that story's pretty fucked. 0.99

00:42:46.000 It's like resisting looking for her, and like, oh, she fucking disappeared. 0.99

00:42:51.000 She probably went to town. 0.99

00:42:52.000 It's one of those things. 1.00

00:42:53.000 Not like, where the fuck is my wife? 0.99

00:42:55.000 Jesus Christ, we gotta find her. 0.99

00:42:57.000 It was like, oh, she's fine.

00:42:59.000 The other thing I remember reading that...

00:43:01.000 I don't know.

00:43:01.000 Let's let her sink.

00:43:02.000 I remember reading that book. 1.00

00:43:03.000 Damn it. 0.99

00:43:04.000 That's like so obvious, I guess, but to read it, it's like when you're on trial for murder and you're found innocent, There's no paperwork. 1.00

00:43:14.000 You just leave.

00:43:15.000 You just go home.

00:43:16.000 There's not like, alright, you gotta spend one more day in jail or whatever.

00:43:19.000 It's just like, alright, take care.

00:43:20.000 And he's like, alright.

00:43:22.000 So he's just at Burger King a few minutes later.

00:43:24.000 That's fascinating.

00:43:25.000 Well, he was trying to make money, right? 1.00

00:43:28.000 So he did a lot of wild shit. 0.99

00:43:29.000 Do you remember the rap video he did? 1.00

00:43:31.000 Where he was on a throne?

00:43:33.000 It was like, the juice is loose.

00:43:35.000 And it was like all these girls dancing around him and he was rapping.

00:43:38.000 This is before or after the killing?

00:43:40.000 After.

00:43:40.000 After the killing.

00:43:41.000 No kidding.

00:43:41.000 Never saw that?

00:43:42.000 No.

00:43:42.000 Find O.J. Simpson's rap song, The Juice Is Loose.

00:43:45.000 Look at this.

00:43:46.000 Play this.

00:43:46.000 Whoa.

00:43:47.000 It has escapability.

00:43:49.000 Get juiced.

00:43:52.000 Look at him.

00:43:56.000 Whoa, chips.

00:43:57.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.000 I mean, come on.

00:44:00.000 How crazy is this?

00:44:01.000 This is after it gets out.

00:44:02.000 This is the 90s before the internet.

00:44:04.000 This is a prank show.

00:44:06.000 This is a part of a prank show?

00:44:07.000 Yeah, he was pranking people and this was part of the TV show.

00:44:14.000 Imagine this guy murdered your daughter and then you're just like, oh, there he is.

00:44:18.000 That's rough. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Crazy. 1.00

00:44:21.000 Great.

00:44:21.000 Can.

00:44:35.000 I mean, what the fuck? 1.00

00:44:37.000 Where was this on where they could show tits? 1.00

00:44:38.000 I want to say the Playboy channel or something like that, like back when you had to get authorized to get movies in the 90s. 0.94

00:44:45.000 Oh, right.

00:44:45.000 Yeah.

00:44:46.000 I used to have one of those chips in my DirecTV box that would let you get everything.

00:44:51.000 Oh, right.

00:44:52.000 Yeah, you get all the pay-per-views, all the movies, and they would scramble it every time a big fight would come out.

00:44:55.000 You'd have to get a new chip.

00:44:56.000 I'd have to call my guy.

00:44:58.000 Like, you got a new chip ready because the fights are about to come out?

00:45:01.000 It's like it would be so much easier to just pay for it.

00:45:03.000 Yes, just pay for it.

00:45:03.000 And this one was on television.

00:45:05.000 I had money, but it was just like so...

00:45:06.000 I just love the fact, look what I got.

00:45:08.000 You liked it, stealing it.

00:45:09.000 And it was also like all the porn.

00:45:11.000 Like, you get all the porn channels.

00:45:12.000 It was like constantly on porn, which is crazy.

00:45:15.000 Like, this is...

00:45:15.000 Back in the day, we had to go to a DVE store and go through the embarrassing beads.

00:45:19.000 Oh, God.

00:45:20.000 Yes, the beaded door to that room, and there's a guy at a section you want to be at, but you don't want to be shoulder-to-shoulder with him.

00:45:28.000 I saw that one.

00:45:29.000 Kids today will never understand.

00:45:31.000 I remember when there was VHS tapes, and they had glitches in them, and there would always be one point where it would get fuzzy on the screen, because that's where the last guy kept rewinding that moment.

00:45:42.000 That was his cum moment. 0.87

00:45:44.000 So he kept going back and back, right in a very big cum shot. 0.97

00:45:50.000 Those were the days. 0.97

00:45:51.000 We were all sharing porn then.

00:45:53.000 Yeah, when we all would make copies.

00:45:55.000 There's this pool hall that I used to go to.

00:45:57.000 My friend Brian had two VCRs, and he would always tell, oh, I got a good one, man.

00:46:01.000 He was a hilarious dude. 0.98

00:46:03.000 He's like, I got a fucking good one, man. 0.97

00:46:05.000 You got to get this one. 0.98

00:46:06.000 And he'd hand out copies to everybody. 0.99

00:46:08.000 He wanted everybody to be jerking off to what he was jerking off to. 1.00

00:46:11.000 What a sweetheart. 1.00

00:46:12.000 That's sweet.

00:46:13.000 He was shameless. 1.00

00:46:15.000 Shameless people are fucking hilarious. 0.99

00:46:16.000 It's the funny thing about porn, it's such a private, shameful moment, but you're sharing it with a lot of people. 0.99

00:46:22.000 Yeah.

00:46:22.000 Like if you go on Pornhub or something and you're watching a video where you're like, this is weird that I'm watching this.

00:46:27.000 This one's weird.

00:46:28.000 This makes me feel weird.

00:46:28.000 And there's like 365 million views.

00:46:32.000 I know, right?

00:46:33.000 But porn is the strangest thing because it's so forbidden and taboo, yet so used.

00:46:41.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:42.000 Everybody needs it.

00:46:43.000 It's one of the most downloaded things.

00:46:46.000 I think some people don't need it.

00:46:47.000 I mean, how many people are out there just jerking off to memory?

00:46:50.000 What slice of the pie is that?

00:46:51.000 It's a very thin sliver.

00:46:53.000 I have to say I'm one of these guys.

00:46:54.000 No one believes me. 0.99

00:46:55.000 I think because I look like a guy that watches porn.

00:46:57.000 But I think also I never had access to... 0.71

00:46:59.000 I was in a...

00:47:00.000 I never had porn.

00:47:02.000 I didn't have an older brother, I think.

00:47:04.000 I don't know.

00:47:04.000 We weren't porn people.

00:47:05.000 Didn't you have friends that got porn?

00:47:06.000 I had friends. 0.87

00:47:07.000 I got friends. 0.78

00:47:08.000 I know you have friends that got porn. 0.85

00:47:10.000 Notice how I qualified it? 0.95

00:47:11.000 Guys who want to watch porn together.

00:47:13.000 That's odd.

00:47:14.000 I don't like that at all.

00:47:16.000 Yeah, that's odd.

00:47:17.000 That's very strange. 0.80

00:47:17.000 It's me alone with the porn. 0.80

00:47:19.000 I don't watch porn anymore, and I've started to try to use memory and thoughts.

00:47:25.000 Because I think this thing with porn is it crowds out your real sexual intention and your own, you know, your natural sexuality.

00:47:32.000 And you're looking forever for just the right thing.

00:47:35.000 It can be exhausting. 0.99

00:47:37.000 It made me feel like shit after a while. 0.91

00:47:39.000 So I've tried to go back, and it's been interesting. 0.95

00:47:41.000 No more porn, no more pictures, and just try to think of what gets you there. 0.98

00:47:46.000 It means I jerk off less often. 1.00

00:47:48.000 Right. 0.94

00:47:49.000 And it's more of a special thing now.

00:47:51.000 I feel a lot better since I got to that. 0.98

00:47:53.000 Right, because when you jerk off, it's because you're actually horny and you want to get rid of it, not you're bored. 0.99

00:47:57.000 Right. 0.99

00:47:58.000 Or anxious. 0.84

00:47:58.000 A lot of times it's just getting, you know, like for me, if I'm writing sometimes and I'm just like, ah, let's go jerk off. 0.84

00:48:04.000 Right.

00:48:05.000 But that's less now.

00:48:06.000 It's less now since I stopped using it.

00:48:08.000 The thing that's just reliable, if I plug into this, if I watch this, it's going to get me off.

00:48:12.000 Instead, it's like, what actually turns you on?

00:48:14.000 What actually, you know, makes you feel something? 0.94

00:48:17.000 I know a lot of people feel like they have to jerk off before they perform, before they go on stage. 0.88

00:48:20.000 Man, I never would do that. 0.99

00:48:21.000 Yeah, like, when they're in the hotel, before they leave to go to the venue, they'll jerk off. 0.99

00:48:25.000 It's always fascinating to me that the audience doesn't realize how recently the performer has masturbated. 0.99

00:48:30.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:48:31.000 Like, we're like, I'm telling jokes, and you're like, just about 11 minutes ago, it's ejaculating.

00:48:36.000 Is that what you do?

00:48:37.000 I don't always do that, but I have done that because you're just bored waiting to get picked up.

00:48:41.000 I mean, I did this as a bit.

00:48:43.000 I don't want to just do bits here. 0.99

00:48:44.000 But for me, it's like porn is just other people fucking. 0.99

00:48:48.000 That's why it's hard. 1.00

00:48:48.000 Like, I want to picture me having sex. 1.00

00:48:52.000 I mean, the joke is it's hard to find a guy that looks like me who's not being tied up and beaten. 0.99

00:48:56.000 Well, there's a lot more of that now because there's a lot of stepmom porn. 0.55

00:48:59.000 There's a guy like you who comes home and is like, where's dad? 0.51

00:49:02.000 You know, and the stepmom's wearing lingerie cooking and bending over to the oven. 1.00

00:49:06.000 See, do you find that at all? 1.00

00:49:08.000 You're just watching someone else fuck. 0.99

00:49:11.000 And I'm like, I want that to be me, not him. 1.00

00:49:13.000 Yeah.

00:49:14.000 Yeah. 0.59

00:49:14.000 And then this is another thing I have with porn. 0.59

00:49:16.000 There's more, like the newer porn, like Pornhub porn, it's in the camera more.

00:49:21.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:49:22.000 It's a girl talking to you, and, you know, in a scenario where they call it jerk-off encouragement, where she's just talking to the camera and trying to get you off. 1.00

00:49:31.000 There is one weird category, which is racist jerk-off encouragement, and it's like a white girl talking to a black guy, jerking off, and calling him fucking more names. 1.00

00:49:41.000 Oh, she is. 0.99

00:49:42.000 I mean, those are out there, which means there's people who like that.

00:49:45.000 There's people who like virtually everything.

00:49:48.000 Yes. 0.99

00:49:48.000 Well, my thing also is, to me, why porn is not exciting is, I know they're going to fuck. 0.99

00:49:55.000 This is two people who are here to fuck. 0.99

00:49:57.000 I would rather watch a porn that's like a 90-minute movie. 1.00

00:50:01.000 And then they have serious sex. 0.99

00:50:03.000 Well, you know, they used to do that.

00:50:05.000 They used to go, people would go, when Deep Throat came out, Johnny Carson, there's a photo of Johnny Carson in line to see Deep Throat.

00:50:12.000 When Deep Throat came out, like celebrities, actors, people would go to see it as a movie.

00:50:19.000 That's right.

00:50:19.000 It was before porn had become stigmatized.

00:50:21.000 It was like, it used to be these girly movies that people would show, they would call them stag movies, stag parties.

00:50:28.000 And, you know, then there was theaters that people would go to to see these horrible things.

00:50:31.000 And someone said, like, let's make an actual film.

00:50:33.000 And that's what Deep Throat was. 0.99

00:50:35.000 And all the Emmanuel stories, there was, like, series, and there was, I mean, Caligula was with Peter O'Toole and Malcolm McDowell, and it's a fucking porn movie. 0.99

00:50:47.000 Yeah, basically. 0.94

00:50:48.000 There's a scene where Malcolm McDowell, I remember this from Caligula, that his sister, who he was having sex with in real life, Caligula, She's the empress of Rome and he's the emperor. 0.99

00:51:00.000 There's two or three guys jerking off into a golden bowl and she's putting it on her skin because it's good for her skin. 0.99

00:51:10.000 Caligula goes over and he takes a little lick of it. 0.98

00:51:14.000 He's like, hey, it was very good. 0.99

00:51:15.000 This was a fucking movie with real stars and it had real production. 0.98

00:51:19.000 It was a decent movie about Caligula. 0.99

00:51:21.000 It's just there's long fucking scenes that have no plot in them. 0.89

00:51:24.000 It's interesting that that wasn't really that long ago, but the tone and the way we view porn has changed radically. 0.96

00:51:31.000 The idea of having a film, that was what sunk Vincent Gallo's career.

00:51:36.000 Do you know he did that film Brown Bunny?

00:51:38.000 That's right.

00:51:39.000 With Chloe.

00:51:41.000 How do you say her last name?

00:51:43.000 She's great. 0.99

00:51:45.000 She's sort of survived it, but that fucked him forever. 0.99

00:51:48.000 He was a great actor. 0.98

00:51:49.000 He's done some great stuff.

00:51:50.000 And directed, too.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, he's really interesting.

00:51:53.000 And he directed Brown Bunny.

00:51:54.000 He did Buffalo 66. Didn't Steve Bannon produce it?

00:51:58.000 I think he produced Brown Bunny.

00:52:00.000 Really?

00:52:00.000 Yeah, somebody told me that.

00:52:01.000 Oh, Google that.

00:52:02.000 We need to know if that's true.

00:52:03.000 I think he did. 0.99

00:52:04.000 So in Brown Bunny, Chloe gives him a real blowjob. 1.00

00:52:08.000 You see it and he comes on her face and the whole deal. 0.99

00:52:10.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:52:12.000 And people got up and they left the movie theater and were like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:52:16.000 Which is really weird, because if you shoot someone in the face in a movie, like go to see a Quentin Tarantino movie, you see someone getting their fucking face bashed in on a mantelpiece. 0.99

00:52:25.000 No problem. 0.99

00:52:26.000 Zero problem.

00:52:26.000 But that's not real.

00:52:27.000 But it looks real. 1.00

00:52:29.000 So what if it was a rubber dick and it shot a silicone load in someone's face? 1.00

00:52:33.000 I want one of those. 1.00

00:52:34.000 Well, there's a movie called...

00:52:39.000 They're available.

00:52:40.000 There's a French movie called Blue is the Warmest Color.

00:52:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:43.000 And it's got these extremely graphic lesbian scenes. 1.00

00:52:48.000 But then I heard they told everybody it was all prosthetics. 1.00

00:52:52.000 We put pasties on our nipples and there was a prosthetic pussy. 1.00

00:52:55.000 But you don't see it. 1.00

00:52:56.000 When you're seeing it, you're watching straight up.

00:52:59.000 Does that make people feel better if it's fake?

00:53:01.000 I don't know.

00:53:01.000 It is a weird thing.

00:53:02.000 I don't know why they feel they want to know that it's not really happening.

00:53:07.000 What's his name?

00:53:08.000 Kubrick, when he made Eyes Wide Shut, the idea was like, let's make a porn with huge stars. 0.97

00:53:13.000 I jerk off that movie all the time. 0.99

00:53:15.000 Yes. 0.97

00:53:15.000 Seriously. 0.97

00:53:16.000 That I think was sort of his angle, like a real sex movie with serious sex in it.

00:53:21.000 It's very bizarre, our attitudes towards violence as opposed to our attitude towards sex. 0.97

00:53:26.000 Sex, you can have sex in a movie. 1.00

00:53:28.000 No one has a problem with it, as long as you don't actually see a penis in a vagina. 1.00

00:53:32.000 Yeah, you're supposed to just see the hands touching the chest and the head going down and the woman going, oh, immediately, which women don't immediately enjoy. 0.99

00:53:42.000 It's like, uh-huh, okay.

00:53:44.000 Ah, there you go.

00:53:45.000 It's very odd that we have these polar lines that we draw with that stuff.

00:53:50.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 Well, you can see it in a film.

00:53:53.000 You can see people having sex, but you can't actually see penetration.

00:53:56.000 No.

00:53:56.000 There's an amazing movie called Stranger by the Lake.

00:53:59.000 I've told you about it.

00:54:00.000 It's a French film.

00:54:01.000 It's a French gay thriller.

00:54:02.000 And it's like a Hitchcock movie. 0.98

00:54:04.000 It's an amazing movie and it has really graphic sex. 1.00

00:54:08.000 Like a guy holding a guy's ankles up over his head and like fucking him in the ass. 1.00

00:54:12.000 And there's cum shots and everything. 1.00

00:54:14.000 It's wild. 0.97

00:54:15.000 It's not for the faint of heart.

00:54:16.000 But it's like a great movie.

00:54:18.000 It's a thriller.

00:54:18.000 It's a wonderful film.

00:54:19.000 Is it actual sex? 0.82

00:54:21.000 Are they actually having sex?

00:54:22.000 I mean, I didn't watch the making of it, but...

00:54:24.000 But does it look like it?

00:54:25.000 It looks like it. 1.00

00:54:26.000 I mean, there's a guy, like, sucking a guy off, and there's real cum shooting out of dicks. 1.00

00:54:29.000 Wow. 1.00

00:54:30.000 But it's also, like, a thriller, whodunit.

00:54:33.000 It's a great film.

00:54:34.000 It's called Stranger by the Lake.

00:54:35.000 I got the poster at my house.

00:54:36.000 It's great. 0.96

00:54:37.000 There's, like, little cartoon dicks everywhere. 0.84

00:54:39.000 Is that on Apple TV? I don't know. 0.92

00:54:41.000 I found it on the Criterion channel.

00:54:42.000 But 4th of July is on my website.

00:54:44.000 Oh, LouisCK.com. 0.99

00:54:46.000 And the deleted scenes is sucking and fucking the whole thing. 1.00

00:54:49.000 It's all the parents. 1.00

00:54:51.000 That's right. 0.99

00:54:51.000 Bobby Kelly sucking off Nick DiPaolo. 0.99

00:54:53.000 That's right. 0.98

00:54:53.000 Bobby Kelly was great in it, too. 0.98

00:54:54.000 Isn't he amazing?

00:54:55.000 He's really good.

00:54:56.000 He's so good.

00:54:57.000 Bobby, I'll put him in anything.

00:54:59.000 He's the best.

00:55:00.000 I love Bobby.

00:55:01.000 He was one of those guys that didn't like picking up Alex Rodriguez.

00:55:05.000 I don't care where he plays.

00:55:07.000 He's got to be on the team.

00:55:08.000 It's just we had to have Bobby in the movie.

00:55:10.000 And he fit perfectly as his...

00:55:13.000 Sponsor.

00:55:14.000 Sponsie.

00:55:15.000 And it's a cool thing about the movie is that it's about AA on some level, but most AA movies have tropes.

00:55:22.000 They have an AA meeting where everybody feels great, and then the guy in the movie who's alcoholic always has to relapse.

00:55:30.000 That's the only storyline acceptable for alcoholics is he falls off the wagon and then comes back. 0.98

00:55:37.000 This movie's not about that, but it's about the AA things that are a pain in the ass in AA. Sponsors are always very sage, and sponsees are very innocent. 0.91

00:55:48.000 But in this movie, we're showing when you first get your first sponsor that you don't know, what the fuck do I say to this guy? 0.98

00:55:55.000 Bobby plays a very throbbing with need, desperate alcoholic, and Joe, who's barely sober and barely contained, is having to help this fucking guy, who he doesn't really know or get along with that much. 0.98

00:56:08.000 It was fun to show that, anyway. 0.97

00:56:11.000 Bobby was great.

00:56:12.000 I made a special for Bobby, a stand-up special.

00:56:14.000 Oh, really?

00:56:15.000 Yeah, we shot it a couple months ago, I guess.

00:56:17.000 When does that come out?

00:56:18.000 It's gonna be on my website.

00:56:20.000 I gotta edit it.

00:56:21.000 It'll probably come in September.

00:56:22.000 Oh, nice.

00:56:23.000 I'd love to have Bobby on, too.

00:56:24.000 I've never had him on.

00:56:25.000 I've known Bobby forever.

00:56:27.000 I worked with him when we were both in our early, early 20s, back when he was living at a house for mentally handicapped people.

00:56:37.000 He was helping these people, and we took these two girls back to his place to fool around. 0.99

00:56:42.000 So we went back to Bobby's room, me and Bobby and these two girls.

00:56:46.000 Were they mentally handicapped?

00:56:47.000 No, they were regular girls. 0.94

00:56:49.000 They're regular girls. 0.99

00:56:50.000 So what happened?

00:56:51.000 Well, we were fooling around with these girls, and one of the mentally challenged guys was in the hallway, and something was going on, and he had to go out there and talk to them.

00:57:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:57:02.000 What's going on in there, fellas?

00:57:03.000 What is it? 1.00

00:57:03.000 I'm trying to fuck these girls. 1.00

00:57:04.000 What are you, retarded? 1.00

00:57:06.000 What's your fucking problem? 1.00

00:57:07.000 No, Bobby's had an amazing life, and he's overcome a lot. 1.00

00:57:10.000 He was raised in foster homes.

00:57:12.000 He was abused.

00:57:13.000 He was in a prison for kids, a prison farm.

00:57:17.000 He's had a really hard life.

00:57:18.000 And now he's a father and a husband, and he's...

00:57:22.000 I mean, because he's been through a lot...

00:57:25.000 Like, I always knew Bobby when he first...

00:57:27.000 He started in Boston after we did.

00:57:29.000 Yes.

00:57:30.000 And I'd gone to New York.

00:57:31.000 You'd gone to LA. Well, I was there with him.

00:57:34.000 Yeah, so you were a few years after me.

00:57:36.000 He used to open for me.

00:57:37.000 That's how we met these girls. 1.00

00:57:38.000 He was in Al and the Monkees.

00:57:41.000 Right.

00:57:41.000 Dane Cook.

00:57:42.000 That's right.

00:57:42.000 That was their sketch team.

00:57:43.000 Yeah.

00:57:44.000 Aldel Benning.

00:57:44.000 Yeah, Aldo Benny, Dane Cook, and Bobby.

00:57:47.000 And what they would do is they would do sketches, and then they would each do, like, five minutes of stand-up, and then I would headline.

00:57:53.000 And that's how me and Bobby became friends.

00:57:56.000 Well, I knew Bobby when he moved to New York, and he was this kind of really, like, keyed-up guy.

00:58:01.000 I kind of cringed when I met him, because he was just like, Do it!

00:58:04.000 You know, he's just so, Do it!

00:58:06.000 And he was a lot.

00:58:08.000 I just saw him as a guy who was a lot.

00:58:10.000 But he was funny on stage.

00:58:11.000 But then I was going through a divorce and I was having a really hard time.

00:58:15.000 And you never know how much it shows, you know?

00:58:17.000 I thought, that's my own thing.

00:58:19.000 But out of nowhere, he came up to me at the Comedy Cellar and he said, can I talk to you?

00:58:23.000 And he pulled me aside.

00:58:24.000 He said, I know that, he said, I went through a lot of hard things in my life.

00:58:28.000 And I learned that journaling is what can get you through a lot of things.

00:58:32.000 Helps you form your thoughts.

00:58:33.000 And I know you're going through a divorce and I can see it's hurting you.

00:58:36.000 And so I bought you this and he gave me a journal. 0.95

00:58:39.000 And I just fucking cried in the middle of the comedy show. 0.84

00:58:41.000 I was like, how can you do this to me right now? 0.98

00:58:44.000 And I've loved him since then.

00:58:45.000 He's like a brother to me.

00:58:46.000 I love this guy.

00:58:48.000 And in the movie, the thing that's great about directing him is that he's a solid, he's an automatic.

00:58:53.000 He's an extremely good actor.

00:58:56.000 And so you abuse a guy like that. 0.80

00:58:58.000 Like if you're shooting a scene with a lot of people and you're giving everybody their turn, he goes last.

00:59:02.000 He always goes last because I can count on him.

00:59:04.000 That's awesome.

00:59:05.000 And then it's dark and you're like, you have to get it in one take.

00:59:07.000 I have no time for you.

00:59:09.000 And he goes, it's all right, it's all right.

00:59:11.000 And he nails it.

00:59:13.000 That's great.

00:59:15.000 Yeah.

00:59:15.000 I knew him back when he was Hot Bobby.

00:59:17.000 When he was Skinny Bobby.

00:59:18.000 He was a gorgeous boy.

00:59:19.000 He was a handsome fella.

00:59:20.000 Yes.

00:59:21.000 He still is.

00:59:22.000 He's got a handsome face.

00:59:23.000 Yeah, he's got a handsome face.

00:59:25.000 He's just eating himself into an odd shape.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:28.000 Well, he's working on that.

00:59:29.000 Is he?

00:59:29.000 Yeah, he is.

00:59:30.000 He's doing good right now.

00:59:31.000 What's he doing?

00:59:31.000 I mean, a lot of, I don't know, it's his thing, but he's doing good.

00:59:34.000 Heroin.

00:59:34.000 Beautiful.

00:59:35.000 He's shooting heroin.

00:59:36.000 Amphetamines.

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:37.000 That's the move.

00:59:38.000 Amphetamines, everything.

00:59:39.000 Just gets speeded up all the time.

00:59:40.000 You don't want to eat.

00:59:41.000 You're always running around.

00:59:42.000 Mm-hmm.

00:59:43.000 If your heart holds out...

00:59:44.000 No, he looks good.

00:59:45.000 He looks good.

00:59:46.000 He's been walking.

00:59:46.000 He's living up in the country.

00:59:48.000 He's a new man.

00:59:49.000 He's glowing.

00:59:49.000 He bought a tiny house and put it in an acre in New Hampshire in the woods.

00:59:53.000 Oh, really?

00:59:54.000 And he's up there the whole summer with his family.

00:59:56.000 A lot of people that live in the city eventually wind up going the opposite. 0.99

01:00:01.000 They wind up going to a fucking house in the country. 0.99

01:00:04.000 I'm dying to get out. 1.00

01:00:05.000 That's what I have, yeah.

01:00:05.000 It's funny.

01:00:06.000 I feel like when I was...

01:00:07.000 I grew up in Whitman, a small town, and I was obsessed with Springsteen, like, get out of this town, born to run, and I did it, and now I still listen to Springsteen and still get moved, but now it's like, I gotta get home with grass and see the stars.

01:00:22.000 It's like the same motivation, but before it was to go to the city, but now I want to be...

01:00:27.000 In the country.

01:00:28.000 Yeah, my friend Jeff has always been like this diehard New York City guy.

01:00:32.000 I love the energy of this city.

01:00:33.000 He's lived there his whole life.

01:00:34.000 And then he got a place on Fire Island.

01:00:36.000 And he's like, I couldn't live in the city if I didn't have this place now.

01:00:40.000 No, it keeps you able to...

01:00:41.000 I can stay in the city because I have my place.

01:00:43.000 Yeah, you get that decompression.

01:00:45.000 That's what I found.

01:00:47.000 Well, I moved to Colorado for a brief amount of time.

01:00:50.000 In 2009, I lived in Gold Hill, which is like 3,000 feet above Boulder.

01:00:56.000 I went full out, 148 acres.

01:00:59.000 Wow.

01:01:00.000 Log house, the whole deal.

01:01:02.000 But my wife got pregnant and you can't...

01:01:05.000 If you're a person who lives at sea level and you go to 8,000 feet and you're pregnant, it's like you have the flu every day.

01:01:10.000 It was horrible.

01:01:11.000 She was wrecked. 0.95

01:01:12.000 And then we went back to LA for a few days and she was normal. 1.00

01:01:15.000 And then I realized, ah, fuck. 0.99

01:01:17.000 And so we got a bail. 1.00

01:01:18.000 Can't do it.

01:01:18.000 Yeah, it was rough.

01:01:19.000 That was good. 0.98

01:01:20.000 But man, living up there was fucking magical. 0.98

01:01:24.000 It was like everything just went... 0.99

01:01:27.000 Well, human animals are part of the earth.

01:01:30.000 It's our home.

01:01:31.000 And cities are not natural.

01:01:34.000 You don't see...

01:01:35.000 It's man-made lighting.

01:01:37.000 As soon as it gets dark, it's man-made lighting everywhere.

01:01:40.000 And you have to turn off the lights to find darkness.

01:01:43.000 You don't have this natural, this thing of like, you know, there's certain parts of the day where the breeze comes.

01:01:49.000 Like if you live anywhere on a coast, there's a sea breeze.

01:01:52.000 And then there's the hot part of the day, and you're watching the grass go green and then gray.

01:01:59.000 You're watching the trees die.

01:02:00.000 It's part of what tells you, your brain, how life works.

01:02:03.000 I think it makes you less afraid of dying, that you watch everything die and renew every year.

01:02:08.000 And you get a sense of what speed you're actually supposed to be running at.

01:02:14.000 Because the city life and also the online life and the phone life is overworking everybody's brains and their systems.

01:02:21.000 People are texting right before bedtime and it's just...

01:02:24.000 But being out there in nature where it's like, no, it's getting dark.

01:02:28.000 Cool off.

01:02:28.000 It's getting dark.

01:02:29.000 There's no sense of getting dark in the city.

01:02:32.000 You're watching the world go to sleep and then the different sounds you're hearing...

01:02:36.000 The birds go to bed and then insects come out.

01:02:39.000 All those things are reminding you how your system actually, what's going on in your chemistry is connected to all that.

01:02:45.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 There's also a thing about going into the woods and being around nature where it's like a nourishment that your body's not normally getting.

01:02:53.000 It's like you feel like you're getting a little something like, oh yeah, I need this.

01:02:57.000 There's something in this that your body is supposed to interface with.

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:02.000 It's good for your physical health.

01:03:03.000 There's all these studies.

01:03:04.000 Yeah.

01:03:04.000 Not just your mental health.

01:03:05.000 Well, if people don't see the sun for a certain amount of time, they go insane.

01:03:09.000 So if you think about the original people, they saw that six sky of stars, like that really full sky of stars, was normal for every human being to see that every night.

01:03:19.000 And a lot of people never see it.

01:03:22.000 Never see one star.

01:03:23.000 If you live in a city, you don't see the night sky.

01:03:25.000 Unless it's Los Angeles.

01:03:26.000 You see stars everywhere there. 0.99

01:03:30.000 Killing their wives and the guy.

01:03:32.000 I went to Hawaii once, went to the Keck Observatory. 0.99

01:03:36.000 It's on the Big Island and it's way up there.

01:03:38.000 You have to drive literally through the clouds. 0.99

01:03:40.000 As we were driving, I was like, fuck, it's cloudy. 0.99

01:03:42.000 This is going to suck. 0.99

01:03:43.000 We're not going to see anything.

01:03:44.000 And then you literally drive through the clouds.

01:03:47.000 And the image that you get, because the Big Island uses all diffused lighting because of the Keck Observatory.

01:03:54.000 So when you get up there, the view where you're at 13,000 feet or something like that, the view of space is insane.

01:04:02.000 You really feel like you're in a spaceship.

01:04:05.000 You don't feel like you're on Earth anymore.

01:04:07.000 You feel like you're in a ship with a glass ceiling and you're just passing through the Milky Way. 0.98

01:04:12.000 I mean, it's fucking wonderful.

01:04:14.000 Yeah, because we're used to this perspective that you're standing on Earth, and that's up, but you're really looking across at other people, and you're looking down at the Earth that you're tacked down to. 0.95

01:04:26.000 But in reality, you're hanging upside down.

01:04:29.000 Yeah.

01:04:30.000 And you're really hanging out into everything, everything in the whole universe.

01:04:35.000 It's not above your head.

01:04:36.000 If you look like this, that's the really correct perspective.

01:04:41.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:04:41.000 Well, that's why all these ancient cultures were obsessed with constellations, and we don't give a fuck about them. 0.95

01:04:47.000 That's why they built shit like that to get up there. 0.98

01:04:49.000 Yeah, and also built things that mimicked the constellations, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. 0.99

01:04:55.000 The way they formulated their structures, it all aligned with certain constellations, and it was very important to them.

01:05:01.000 Well, think about back when people were, before there was like skyscrapers, airplanes, that you couldn't go up.

01:05:08.000 You could only go like six feet high.

01:05:10.000 Right, right.

01:05:10.000 And you could maybe build something that was like, I don't know, three, like a castle.

01:05:16.000 Yeah.

01:05:16.000 That's kind of high.

01:05:17.000 But those pyramids and that... 1.00

01:05:19.000 I know, I sound like an idiot. 1.00

01:05:21.000 I sound like you guys fucking dropped acid while I was watching OJ. I just got wacky in here. 1.00

01:05:26.000 That was hills, that's mountains, right?

01:05:28.000 Yes.

01:05:29.000 Mountains are high.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, but they're high and you don't have like a drop, you're not really seeing.

01:05:34.000 Right.

01:05:35.000 And also, unless you lived in the mountains, then that became normal.

01:05:38.000 Right.

01:05:39.000 But the ability to go, let's go way the fuck up there and see from up there and feel...

01:05:43.000 Where is the sky starting?

01:05:46.000 It's also very humbling to people to encounter undeniable majesty, the insane majesty of the universe.

01:05:57.000 That's how people are around mountains, around the ocean, things that are so epic that it calms people down in a way.

01:06:05.000 That's why people are so chill around beaches.

01:06:07.000 Beach communities are always kind of relaxed.

01:06:10.000 Yeah, this thing is telling you over and over again. 1.00

01:06:12.000 You ain't shit. 1.00

01:06:13.000 There's a force that you ain't, it doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:06:15.000 It doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:06:16.000 You're a speck, and there's this force, this incredible force. 1.00

01:06:19.000 When waves get high, you're just watching them crash, and it's just telling you without your even thinking about it intellectually, fuck, okay, I get it. 1.00

01:06:27.000 Put it in perspective. 0.95

01:06:28.000 If you think you are very, very important, and then you're on a mountain, you're like, ooh, I'm not important at all.

01:06:32.000 No.

01:06:33.000 This means nothing.

01:06:34.000 No, and nature's brutal.

01:06:36.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 Nature's brutal.

01:06:37.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 It kills.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

01:06:39.000 It's, you know...

01:06:41.000 The things that you encounter, too, when you're in the woods and you're going to walk on a mountain, you're seeing these animals.

01:06:46.000 They're just running around, just trying not to get eaten.

01:06:49.000 And that's just eating and keeping their ears up.

01:06:52.000 I'm like, anything out there?

01:06:53.000 Nothing?

01:06:53.000 Let me eat a little bit more.

01:06:54.000 That's why I love lions, because I was in Africa once.

01:06:57.000 I went on a safari.

01:06:58.000 And every animal is like that.

01:07:00.000 They're all twitchy.

01:07:01.000 They don't sleep much.

01:07:02.000 Every animal is worried.

01:07:04.000 Because their brother got eaten like the day before.

01:07:07.000 And they're like, it's gonna be me.

01:07:09.000 It's gonna be me. 0.97

01:07:09.000 I fucking know it. 0.97

01:07:10.000 It's gonna be me. 0.97

01:07:11.000 It is.

01:07:11.000 One day.

01:07:11.000 They're not being anxious.

01:07:13.000 They're gonna die in a mouth. 0.95

01:07:14.000 A hundred percent. 0.92

01:07:15.000 But lions don't have a predator.

01:07:18.000 They have none. 0.99

01:07:19.000 So they have this just fucking cool... 0.99

01:07:21.000 They kind of blink slow and they look around and they don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:07:25.000 They're just calm. 0.99

01:07:27.000 And they'll sleep sometimes after eating a thousand pounds of meat.

01:07:31.000 They sleep for like three or four days.

01:07:33.000 Wow.

01:07:34.000 I saw a film about lions.

01:07:36.000 It was very interesting.

01:07:38.000 It's called The Lion King.

01:07:39.000 I don't think that's real.

01:07:41.000 No, it's real. 0.99

01:07:42.000 They don't have dicks. 1.00

01:07:43.000 You notice that about the Lion King? 0.96

01:07:44.000 What?

01:07:44.000 The Disney Lion King, you don't see their hogs, you don't see the sack.

01:07:48.000 Nothing.

01:07:49.000 They're just neutered. 1.00

01:07:49.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

01:07:50.000 I'd like to see one Disney animated animal movie, because it's always about the weak creature who's like, I wish I could be like my big brothers, but I'm not, you know, I'm sensitive. 0.99

01:08:03.000 That's anti-Semitic, but keep going. 1.00

01:08:04.000 So he goes out and...

01:08:05.000 Hey, because I'm Jewish, I can't...

01:08:09.000 I'm prey.

01:08:11.000 But then they go off into the world and they find a friend.

01:08:14.000 I'd like to see one where they go off and five minutes later they just get eaten.

01:08:17.000 That's what would happen. 1.00

01:08:18.000 They just get fucking eaten. 1.00

01:08:19.000 That's the one that's supposed to get eaten. 1.00

01:08:21.000 The twitchy one is the one that gets away.

01:08:23.000 That's right.

01:08:24.000 No.

01:08:25.000 That's how I got here.

01:08:26.000 That's how you got here?

01:08:27.000 I'm twitchy.

01:08:27.000 Twitchy.

01:08:28.000 I'm the twitchy guy.

01:08:29.000 Can I ask a question?

01:08:29.000 Can I just side rail this for a second?

01:08:31.000 Yes.

01:08:31.000 Hit me straight, Joe, because I get a lot of YouTubes, emails.

01:08:35.000 Do I have the two worst episodes ever of the Joe Rogan experience?

01:08:38.000 Jesus Christ, what's wrong with you?

01:08:39.000 Why do you do this?

01:08:40.000 A lot of emails, a lot of tweets. 1.00

01:08:42.000 Well, stop reading that shit. 1.00

01:08:43.000 You're positive. 1.00

01:08:44.000 This is what's making it bad.

01:08:46.000 Here you are.

01:08:47.000 Until this moment.

01:08:47.000 Oh, what?

01:08:48.000 No, this is fun.

01:08:48.000 Until this moment it was great.

01:08:49.000 This is compelling.

01:08:50.000 No, you saying that is what made it bad.

01:08:52.000 Oh, right.

01:08:52.000 That's right.

01:08:53.000 Because it's turning it on you, and then you're opening the door to people who go, you're the worst, Joe Lusk. 1.00

01:08:57.000 And then you're going to read that and feel like shit. 0.99

01:08:59.000 Well, sometimes they come right to your door and tell you. 0.99

01:09:01.000 They just knock, and they're like, hey, man, that was really bad.

01:09:04.000 I'm like, I know.

01:09:05.000 Sorry. 0.96

01:09:06.000 I fucked up. 0.95

01:09:07.000 Do you read the comments? 0.99

01:09:08.000 Is that what it is?

01:09:10.000 Not comments.

01:09:11.000 No, I don't go on the comments.

01:09:13.000 I don't read comments.

01:09:13.000 But I get tweets, emails, direct emails.

01:09:16.000 No, I won't even go near these.

01:09:18.000 You shouldn't even read the tweets.

01:09:19.000 No, you shouldn't.

01:09:20.000 Well, but sometimes they write, you're fantastic.

01:09:23.000 You shouldn't read that either.

01:09:24.000 Is it worth all the negative, though?

01:09:26.000 Sure.

01:09:26.000 It is, yeah.

01:09:28.000 But when you hear them laugh when you're on stage and you kill, you know you're great.

01:09:32.000 You know you're doing great. 1.00

01:09:33.000 So what do you give a fuck? 1.00

01:09:34.000 So say thank you. 1.00

01:09:35.000 I tell young comics that it's actually irresponsible to look at social media and to look at the stuff people are saying about comedy and saying about yourself.

01:09:45.000 On social media.

01:09:46.000 Because you have a responsibility to your audience. 0.99

01:09:49.000 Like, when you do stand-up, the people who are in the audience have a fucking vote on my act. 0.97

01:09:55.000 Like, they actually have a direct influence. 1.00

01:09:57.000 I give a giant fuck about them. 1.00

01:10:00.000 They paid money and they came, they fucking traveled, parked a car, got a babysitter. 1.00

01:10:05.000 And they're sitting shoulder to shoulder with strangers listening. 0.99

01:10:08.000 So if I see a face that goes, huh, I fucking see it. 0.73

01:10:12.000 And it may not change my joke entirely, but there's a gland in me that takes all of that in, you know what I mean, in the aggregate. 0.96

01:10:21.000 Yeah.

01:10:22.000 And it's not about their acceptance.

01:10:24.000 Sometimes it's about going to what upsets them and pushing past it, but they're involved.

01:10:29.000 And I have to keep that clean, that it's about me and them.

01:10:33.000 If I read something by somebody who didn't come to the show, who doesn't go to comedy shows, who's reacting to something that was written about a show, a person who wrote it to get...

01:10:48.000 Right.

01:10:55.000 Right.

01:10:57.000 Right.

01:11:03.000 Right.

01:11:05.000 I couldn't agree more and I think that it's also it'll change the way you do comedy if you take that if you internalize that yeah if you're picturing the jokes you're telling to this audience going out into the world and what are they gonna say about it and again in a world that it's a sport to get upset yeah it's a it's a soothing fun sport and I have no problem with it they can play that game together and that's fine but if you let it actually change if you actually take it in right it's it's not you know And they don't mean it.

01:11:34.000 None of these people mean it. 0.99

01:11:35.000 It's just a momentary, yeah, fuck him, and then they move on to something else. 0.99

01:11:38.000 They're not invested in it. 0.99

01:11:40.000 You said something to me once that I tell people all the time.

01:11:42.000 You said that Twitter's just talk, but it's written down.

01:11:44.000 So it seems like it's more than just talk.

01:11:47.000 Because people always talk. 1.00

01:11:48.000 Like, oh, that fucking sucked. 1.00

01:11:49.000 Or, oh, he's a piece of shit. 1.00

01:11:51.000 That's right. 1.00

01:11:51.000 They say things like that normally. 1.00

01:11:53.000 It's normal.

01:11:54.000 But you're not aware of it.

01:11:55.000 That's right.

01:11:55.000 It's a normal thing that people do.

01:11:57.000 It's even healthy.

01:11:57.000 Yeah.

01:11:58.000 As talk.

01:11:58.000 This is something my ex-girlfriend who's very close to me still, Blanche Cardona, she's a French comedian.

01:12:03.000 And she's very big in France.

01:12:04.000 She's huge there.

01:12:05.000 And she had a bit that I can't remember.

01:12:07.000 It was in French, you know, about that Twitter, that there used to be talk.

01:12:12.000 And talk is air.

01:12:13.000 It goes out. 1.00

01:12:14.000 People say, that guy fucking sucks. 1.00

01:12:16.000 Just to each other. 1.00

01:12:17.000 Right.

01:12:17.000 And it's gone.

01:12:18.000 They don't have to mean it, you know.

01:12:20.000 But then it's committed to the Library of Congress.

01:12:23.000 Right.

01:12:24.000 And the person who can't even...

01:12:26.000 The person who wrote it can't even take it back.

01:12:28.000 Right.

01:12:28.000 They're like, I gotta stand behind that now.

01:12:30.000 Yeah.

01:12:30.000 And then they gotta double down on it.

01:12:31.000 And as comedians and entertainers, we're supposed to have these people just yapping about us. 1.00

01:12:37.000 Yeah, fuck Joe Rogan. 1.00

01:12:38.000 Somebody who's even a fan. 1.00

01:12:39.000 Yeah.

01:12:40.000 Just to enjoy his beer for the moment.

01:12:42.000 Right. 1.00

01:12:43.000 Fuck him! 1.00

01:12:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:44.000 But then if you showed up, he'd be like, oh my God, Joe Rogan! 1.00

01:12:47.000 I fucking love him! 0.95

01:12:48.000 But the fact that comedians... 0.97

01:12:50.000 Comedians are partly responsible because they're on Twitter and they want to be liked there too.

01:12:55.000 They want to be there overseeing the conversations, looking for somebody saying something bad about them and then responding? 0.99

01:13:02.000 Are you fucking high? 0.99

01:13:03.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:13:04.000 It's kind of conflated things, I think, Twitter.

01:13:08.000 I don't think that anybody on Twitter means anything, they say.

01:13:13.000 I don't think a single tweet is really sincere.

01:13:16.000 It's just a calculation of what's this gonna do. 0.97

01:13:19.000 And it's based in fear and hope, which are both dumb things.

01:13:25.000 But it's not really like a sincere, this is how I feel. 0.75

01:13:28.000 Right.

01:13:28.000 So if you give it all that, you know.

01:13:30.000 And comedians that tweet jokes...

01:13:33.000 The same exact format and type and then tweet a political opinion in the same thing.

01:13:39.000 That's one of the reasons I think folks have started to take jokes seriously.

01:13:43.000 Because there are comedians that want to be funny and taken seriously.

01:13:46.000 So they're doing both.

01:13:47.000 So of course people are confused by it.

01:13:49.000 And it's not in a club or at least a theater where it's like where comedy is this really, really fun experiment.

01:13:56.000 Just for this one night, we're not going to worry about offending each other.

01:14:00.000 We're not going to worry about what's right or wrong. 1.00

01:14:02.000 We're just going to talk shit. 0.99

01:14:03.000 And we're going to go, I'm really good at it. 1.00

01:14:05.000 I can talk shit like you wouldn't believe. 0.99

01:14:08.000 I'm going to astonish you with how much I shouldn't be saying this. 0.99

01:14:11.000 That's the game. 0.96

01:14:13.000 But if you translated it to text and put it out like a statement, like it's a fucking statement from a senator, it's just not going to, other people aren't going to take it right. 0.98

01:14:22.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:14:23.000 Well, that's the problem with taking things out of context, always.

01:14:26.000 Yeah.

01:14:27.000 Yeah, it's like, in the context of a comedy show, it's like, really, it only should exist in that.

01:14:31.000 Oh, of course.

01:14:32.000 It's a great environment.

01:14:34.000 Last night was really fun.

01:14:36.000 I really enjoyed your set.

01:14:36.000 Oh, thanks.

01:14:37.000 Very, very fun.

01:14:38.000 Even though the creek in the cave was 150 degrees. 0.96

01:14:40.000 It was so fucking hot. 0.87

01:14:41.000 I just texted Rebecca today. 0.95

01:14:43.000 I said, how much does it cost to fix the AC? Yes, I'll pitch in with you.

01:14:47.000 Let's do it.

01:14:47.000 Yes.

01:14:47.000 Okay, we'll fix it.

01:14:48.000 I got a hundred bucks.

01:14:49.000 Because it's a great club.

01:14:50.000 It's really fun.

01:14:51.000 It's a very nice little intimate club.

01:14:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.000 And she's great, too.

01:14:55.000 Rebecca Trent, yeah.

01:14:56.000 It's a really fun place to practice, too. 1.00

01:14:58.000 It's a fun place to fuck around. 0.98

01:14:59.000 Well, it's fun for me because I've been doing this hour in theaters, and almost only in theaters for a while, and in Europe in theaters, and so this was the first time I did it in a club, and not only a club, but that sort of stanky, sweaty... 0.98

01:15:12.000 Austin freaky audience club.

01:15:14.000 Yeah.

01:15:14.000 And the first show that you were at, I was kind of big and presentational, that theater version.

01:15:18.000 And I could tell they were like, easy buddy.

01:15:21.000 It didn't seem like that at all.

01:15:22.000 It felt like that to me.

01:15:23.000 The second show I calmed down and did clubby again.

01:15:27.000 It's important when you're developing a set, I think, to do clubs intermittently.

01:15:31.000 Yeah, I say that all the time.

01:15:32.000 I say that it's like cross-training.

01:15:34.000 You should run long miles.

01:15:35.000 You should also lift weights.

01:15:36.000 There's a lot of different things you should do.

01:15:38.000 And if you're a comic, I see guys that only do theaters, and they only do it for their crowd.

01:15:43.000 I'm like, man, I think you've got to go to the clubs.

01:15:46.000 I think it's very important.

01:15:47.000 You have to.

01:15:48.000 Yeah.

01:15:48.000 It keeps it real because a theater, you can be in your own world.

01:15:51.000 Right.

01:15:52.000 And you get a little bit looking up and you start pacing around and, you know.

01:15:56.000 But a club, they're looking at eating nachos and you're like, I'm right here.

01:16:01.000 Please don't leave me.

01:16:02.000 Please don't leave me.

01:16:03.000 This is why I do clubs exclusively.

01:16:05.000 Yes.

01:16:06.000 Good move.

01:16:06.000 Yeah.

01:16:07.000 They're always like, come to the garden.

01:16:08.000 Plus all the seats.

01:16:09.000 Yeah, that's the other thing.

01:16:10.000 That's right, yeah.

01:16:11.000 Are you touring now?

01:16:12.000 Are you on tour?

01:16:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:14.000 I do a mix of, like, last night I did the Vulcan, so I'm always working in town.

01:16:18.000 Tuesday and Wednesday nights I always do the Vulcan.

01:16:20.000 And I always do clubs.

01:16:22.000 And I'll do clubs on the road, too.

01:16:23.000 I just did stand-up live in Phoenix.

01:16:25.000 Oh, that's a great one.

01:16:26.000 I love that place.

01:16:27.000 But this week, Friday night, I'm doing an arena in Salt Lake City.

01:16:30.000 I think it's very important for comics to do little places, too.

01:16:34.000 Do a 90-seater sometimes.

01:16:35.000 Yes.

01:16:36.000 I can sell those out.

01:16:37.000 I like places like that.

01:16:39.000 Yeah.

01:16:40.000 I like 1,500 seats.

01:16:42.000 It's beautiful.

01:16:43.000 That's great.

01:16:44.000 That's a good number.

01:16:45.000 And it's fun to be able to.

01:16:45.000 In January, I'm doing Chicago Theater.

01:16:48.000 I'm doing the Dolby in LA. I'm doing the Garden in January at the end of the month.

01:16:52.000 Just one show there.

01:16:54.000 And I like the big rooms.

01:16:55.000 It's a fun feeling, but it shouldn't become your gear.

01:16:59.000 It shouldn't become your main gear.

01:17:00.000 I say the same thing all the time.

01:17:05.000 You can't help yourself, huh?

01:17:07.000 No.

01:17:08.000 It's funny.

01:17:09.000 I'm throwing some jokes in.

01:17:12.000 I do alright.

01:17:14.000 You're doing great, Charles.

01:17:15.000 You're very funny.

01:17:16.000 Joe's hilarious.

01:17:17.000 He's got two specials on YouTube.

01:17:19.000 Yes.

01:17:19.000 I hate myself.

01:17:20.000 One two punch. 0.99

01:17:21.000 This year's material and I hate myself. 0.99

01:17:23.000 Fucking great specials. 0.98

01:17:24.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:17:25.000 Fucking great. 0.95

01:17:25.000 Just free on YouTube. 0.95

01:17:26.000 And he's on to another hour now.

01:17:28.000 What is your writing process?

01:17:29.000 Yes, Joe.

01:17:30.000 Do you sit down and write, or do you try to come up with ideas when you're out and about?

01:17:35.000 A little bit.

01:17:36.000 I used to sit down and write a lot more, but now it's like, you guys know, it's like you get, I'm 22 years in now.

01:17:42.000 So once you're 20 years in, it feels like you kind of just go, that's a funny thing that happened.

01:17:46.000 I'm going to talk about that tonight.

01:17:48.000 And you can kind of...

01:17:48.000 And now I am selling enough tickets that I have people there to see me, which makes it easier and funner.

01:17:54.000 And you kind of work it out for them, and then exactly you go to the cellar where they don't know you, and you're like, okay, this is killing here also.

01:18:01.000 So I'll write a little bit.

01:18:03.000 I do a lot of listening to sets.

01:18:04.000 I try it out on stage, listen to a set, and go, that killed.

01:18:08.000 And I tell...

01:18:09.000 I think listening to sets is the most important thing, for me anyways, because...

01:18:13.000 As comics, you always watch in the back of the room when you're watching a comic, you always go, oh, he should say this.

01:18:18.000 He should say that.

01:18:19.000 And when you listen to a set, you're doing that to yourself.

01:18:22.000 Sure.

01:18:22.000 You're like, there needs to be a joke here.

01:18:24.000 Because sometimes bits, it feels like there's like a rhythm to it where you're like, there needs to be something there.

01:18:29.000 I don't know what it is, but there's definitely a space there.

01:18:32.000 And so it's a lot of listening to sets and just going up.

01:18:35.000 But the longer you're in it and the more amount of success you have, I feel like the more you're like, I'm going to make this work.

01:18:41.000 And then I'll go back to old bits and be like, I can make this work now.

01:18:44.000 I couldn't then.

01:18:45.000 That's a confidence.

01:18:46.000 Just knowing that you plus the bit is going to work out.

01:18:49.000 Yeah.

01:18:50.000 Just give it time.

01:18:50.000 Plus time.

01:18:51.000 That's the scariest thing is once you release a special and then you start from scratch.

01:18:56.000 Yes.

01:18:57.000 Yes.

01:18:58.000 This last one, the one I just put out in December, I had pandemic gigs that were rescheduled for March and onward, and I put the special out in December, and I quit the tour in December.

01:19:13.000 But I needed a new hour because the special was out, and I only had like two months to come up with a whole hour, which I've never tried doing before.

01:19:21.000 But I watched that Beatles thing, the Beatles' Get Back.

01:19:26.000 Did you watch it?

01:19:27.000 No.

01:19:28.000 It's like eight hours or something.

01:19:30.000 Yeah.

01:19:31.000 Who produced that?

01:19:32.000 It's on Apple.

01:19:33.000 Apple TV. I don't know who...

01:19:35.000 Oh, it's Peter Jackson, right?

01:19:36.000 Yeah, Peter Jackson.

01:19:37.000 So he took all the raw footage from the Let It Be recordings.

01:19:42.000 And they look like you're there.

01:19:44.000 It's amazing.

01:19:45.000 And he showed how they developed Let It Be.

01:19:48.000 So you watch them arrive in this studio that didn't really work. 0.86

01:19:52.000 And you watch them and John's a little fucked up and he's with Yoko. 0.91

01:19:56.000 And they're not really getting along. 0.98

01:19:58.000 But they keep sitting down, strapping on the guitars and playing.

01:20:01.000 And they have a few ideas for songs.

01:20:03.000 And in like two weeks, they're going to shoot Let It Be.

01:20:07.000 And they just play, and then George quits, just leaves the Beatles, and so they play without him for a while, and then he comes back. 0.95

01:20:14.000 But the thing is, in the movie, they keep X-ing out the days, and just showing that they showed up for work every fucking day, took songs that were just ideas, and turned them into some of the greatest fucking Beatles songs. 0.86

01:20:26.000 Then they went on the roof and just played it, and it was... 0.99

01:20:29.000 Fucking great. 0.95

01:20:30.000 So that inspired me. 0.94

01:20:31.000 I thought if I approach it that way, like I just must have an hour and two months, and I was going to the cellar every night, and I was working more on paper, and more analyzing the sets, and taking notes after a set, saying here's what worked and here's...

01:20:45.000 And I gave myself these disciplines.

01:20:47.000 Like once I had 20 really strong minutes, I said you can't touch it now.

01:20:51.000 You can't do that material anymore.

01:20:53.000 Because you're just gonna get static. 0.99

01:20:54.000 You're just gonna wanna kill and go home.

01:20:56.000 So I'd take bits that were dying, Or bits that I didn't want to do. 0.98

01:21:00.000 And I'd say, that's tonight.

01:21:01.000 You got bad bits and new ideas.

01:21:04.000 It was horrible.

01:21:05.000 And you go up there and you go, ugh.

01:21:07.000 That's why you got to stay off Twitter.

01:21:09.000 That's right.

01:21:09.000 Because people would come to that show.

01:21:10.000 Yeah.

01:21:11.000 And then you're like, ugh.

01:21:12.000 You have to be willing to bomb to really write.

01:21:15.000 Yeah.

01:21:15.000 And then those bits got stronger and stronger.

01:21:17.000 That turned into a new 20 of all shit bits that turned into a strong 20. Put that aside. 0.99

01:21:22.000 Oh, boy.

01:21:22.000 And then I had two 20s.

01:21:23.000 And I kept doing that until I had a loose hour.

01:21:26.000 And then I went on tour all over Europe.

01:21:29.000 And some of those crowds, there's a glass ceiling to how much you're going to kill because they don't all understand English.

01:21:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:21:35.000 But it makes you better.

01:21:38.000 And then I go home, go back to the cellar, put the hour aside and work again, new material, new material.

01:21:44.000 And then keep adding it back in.

01:21:46.000 And what's your writing process like?

01:21:48.000 I mean, that's it.

01:21:49.000 I know when I have a thought.

01:21:53.000 I know when I have a thought.

01:21:55.000 That's really funny.

01:21:57.000 I know when I have a thought that it's a bit.

01:21:59.000 Right.

01:22:00.000 I'm like, that's a bit.

01:22:01.000 Right.

01:22:01.000 But I don't write it.

01:22:02.000 I don't think about it.

01:22:03.000 I avoid thinking about it.

01:22:04.000 I just write a key word to remind me to talk about it.

01:22:07.000 I need to do it in front of an audience so that they...

01:22:11.000 Because when they're there, I'm like, I really want them to...

01:22:13.000 They're the goal.

01:22:14.000 Yeah.

01:22:15.000 So they help me also with their reaction.

01:22:18.000 They help me figure out how to say it.

01:22:21.000 Instead of imagining in my head, here's what I would say.

01:22:25.000 They're right here, you gotta tell them.

01:22:27.000 So I try it in front of them and get some version.

01:22:30.000 And sometimes if it gets silence, there's some silence that bits get or groans or upset feelings.

01:22:36.000 Where I go, that's a great bit.

01:22:37.000 I know it is.

01:22:38.000 It's dying, but I'll do it night after night because I know somewhere in that bad era that I created, there's a great...

01:22:45.000 All the bits I've done that are like great bits in my feeling started as they don't want to even hear this.

01:22:52.000 They don't even want to hear it.

01:22:54.000 They don't even want to hear the subject.

01:22:55.000 They don't want to hear the joke.

01:22:57.000 The joke dies the first time.

01:22:59.000 And I'm like, that's going to be one of the great ones.

01:23:01.000 The ones that get laughs right away, they're great.

01:23:03.000 Thank you.

01:23:04.000 But they don't develop as much.

01:23:05.000 I don't work as hard on them.

01:23:07.000 You just depend.

01:23:07.000 They're like a fastball.

01:23:09.000 Got it.

01:23:09.000 Well, you worked with Rock a lot, right?

01:23:11.000 When he was doing that, where he would have comics come and give notes.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, I never did that with him.

01:23:18.000 You never did that with him?

01:23:19.000 I worked on his show.

01:23:20.000 I did sketches on his show, on the Chris Rock show.

01:23:22.000 Oh, so you never sat...

01:23:23.000 Never did the stand-up stuff.

01:23:25.000 Oh, I thought you did.

01:23:25.000 No, no, no.

01:23:26.000 No.

01:23:27.000 I mean, he's one of the greats.

01:23:28.000 Oh, for sure.

01:23:29.000 We've talked about bits together. 0.99

01:23:32.000 But I always liked how he does that, and he gets shit for that. 0.97

01:23:35.000 For bringing comics in. 0.97

01:23:36.000 Yeah.

01:23:36.000 I'm like, that's a great idea.

01:23:38.000 When I worked on his show, we did the monologue.

01:23:40.000 So it was like that.

01:23:41.000 So I got a sense of how he did that.

01:23:43.000 And it wasn't us coming up with bits.

01:23:45.000 It was him with guys in the room.

01:23:47.000 And then he'd just be, it's a little bit of an audience, but guys he trusts.

01:23:52.000 And he'd start talking and we'd go right, right, and we'd feed him little lines, but it's his bit.

01:23:56.000 But he had other brains there to give him little tingles and little lines.

01:24:02.000 Or give him another direction for it.

01:24:04.000 It's funny when guys want to dismiss guys that are really big that do something like that.

01:24:08.000 They do that.

01:24:09.000 They're like, ah, this guy's writing for him.

01:24:11.000 And I'm like, whatever the process is.

01:24:13.000 Yeah, like, what are you saying?

01:24:14.000 Like, it's a genius idea to do it.

01:24:16.000 Yes.

01:24:17.000 To me, bouncing, like, me, Sam Rill, and Norman, we bounce bits all the time.

01:24:21.000 But to me, it's like, you're going to bounce it off the audience.

01:24:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:23.000 Like you said, they have input.

01:24:24.000 Why not get input from professional comedians?

01:24:28.000 Of course.

01:24:28.000 They're better at comedy than the audience is.

01:24:31.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:24:31.000 Of course.

01:24:32.000 No, when I wrote my series Louie, which is on my website for 30 bucks.

01:24:36.000 louieck.com?

01:24:37.000 Yes, louieck.com.

01:24:38.000 That's where you buy the film, isn't it?

01:24:39.000 That's also where you can buy Fourth of July, a film that him and I made.

01:24:42.000 It comes with some audio commentary and deleted scenes.

01:24:44.000 That's right.

01:24:44.000 Yeah, that's a good deal.

01:24:45.000 15 bucks, good deal.

01:24:47.000 When I was doing Louis, I wrote every episode of the series, but I had people, Vernon Chapman, Pamela Adlon, who I depended on, who would just sit on the couch, be there while I'm writing, and I'd tell them the story, tell them stuff, and they'd help me in dialogue,

01:25:03.000 help me get it to the right place, or tell me when it's like, that's not interesting, or whatever.

01:25:09.000 They help you edit a little bit.

01:25:10.000 Don't you have a...

01:25:11.000 I have this so bad, I have a hard time recognizing bits sometimes in life where I have stories that I tell for years, being like, the funniest thing happens, you gotta hear this, and then comics are like, do you do that on stage? 0.74

01:25:25.000 And I'm like, somehow that didn't even fucking occur to me.

01:25:27.000 Yes.

01:25:27.000 And then you do it and it's like a huge bit.

01:25:29.000 I got a great story about that. 0.93

01:25:30.000 I was in the back bar at the Comedy Store with Ron White, and Ron White, this was back when he was drinking, Ron White comes in and he's telling me this fucking story about when I was in the army.

01:25:39.000 So it was back when he was in Hawaii. 0.98

01:25:42.000 He was going regularly to visit these prostitutes. 1.00

01:25:46.000 And he had gone like every weekend for like fucking years. 0.99

01:25:50.000 And I don't know how long it was. 0.99

01:25:53.000 And then someone goes, you know a lot of those are drag queens that are blowing you. 1.00

01:25:59.000 Yeah.

01:26:00.000 I'm not doing it any justice. 0.95

01:26:03.000 The bit is fucking fantastic. 0.99

01:26:04.000 And he's telling us, I am fucking crying. 0.98

01:26:07.000 It's just me and him. 0.98

01:26:09.000 And I'm crying laughing.

01:26:10.000 I go, do you tell that on stage?

01:26:12.000 He goes, no, man, I don't think my audience would go into that one.

01:26:15.000 I go, what are you talking about? 0.99

01:26:17.000 I'm fucking crying. 0.99

01:26:18.000 I'm your audience. 0.99

01:26:19.000 Right.

01:26:20.000 I go, I'm a Ron White fan.

01:26:21.000 You should tell that on stage. 0.99

01:26:22.000 You fucking think so? 0.99

01:26:23.000 So he immediately goes from this conversation right up in the OR, right into it, and it fucking crushes. 1.00

01:26:31.000 Wow. 1.00

01:26:32.000 He's piss drunk.

01:26:33.000 He's hilarious.

01:26:35.000 And he just goes right into the story. 0.99

01:26:37.000 And I mean, it fucking murders. 1.00

01:26:39.000 People have a hard time breathing. 0.99

01:26:41.000 He comes off stage, well, I guess you were right.

01:26:44.000 No, it's not, because sometimes I think the audience, you're like, they don't want to hear this.

01:26:49.000 This isn't good.

01:26:49.000 And you need someone to be like, I think they do.

01:26:52.000 Yeah.

01:26:52.000 I think one reason for that is that those are great.

01:26:55.000 That's an example of a bit where he was vulnerable and he was unsure and he was in a fucked up place. 0.70

01:27:00.000 Comedians are funniest when they're vulnerable and when they don't know what's, when they're not sure about how they even feel about what they're talking about.

01:27:07.000 That's the funniest a comedian gets.

01:27:08.000 That's what I love about Joe.

01:27:10.000 He's vulnerable the whole time he's on stage.

01:27:12.000 And here.

01:27:14.000 Here too.

01:27:15.000 Here is a problem.

01:27:17.000 Can I ask a question real quick?

01:27:19.000 I'm sorry.

01:27:20.000 No, go ahead.

01:27:21.000 Go ahead.

01:27:22.000 You got a big story.

01:27:23.000 Comedians want to be confident.

01:27:26.000 They want to feel like rock stars.

01:27:28.000 They want to be smooth up there.

01:27:29.000 They want to be like, that's going to kill because I'm good.

01:27:32.000 And so that's the stuff you go to because you're also arming yourself.

01:27:36.000 It's a scary thing.

01:27:37.000 It takes somebody else to go, you know that thing that you're horribly embarrassed about?

01:27:40.000 That's going to completely destroy.

01:27:43.000 That's going to be the thing that they love.

01:27:44.000 They're going to love you for that.

01:27:45.000 Yes.

01:27:46.000 Not for how cool you are or how clever you are and how well you can observe things.

01:27:51.000 Observational comedy is very egotistical.

01:27:55.000 It's very like, I know how this really works.

01:27:56.000 Right.

01:27:57.000 And it makes you seem cool and there are audiences that get off on that.

01:28:01.000 But if you go like, I don't fucking get this one bit, and I'm scared of it, and this was a horrible thing that happened to me, they're going to love you.

01:28:09.000 It's sharing, you know, it's the thing that Phil Hoffman says in the movie. 0.83

01:28:13.000 The only true currency in this world.

01:28:15.000 Bankrupt world is what you share with someone when you're uncool.

01:28:18.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:28:19.000 The weird thing is the desire to arm yourself to try to be cool.

01:28:24.000 It's very bad for you.

01:28:26.000 Comedy specials are glitzy, amazing looking.

01:28:30.000 It kind of distances you from the comic.

01:28:34.000 Watching a guy really go up there like...

01:28:36.000 I've had shows where I've shot two shows for a special.

01:28:39.000 And the first show, I'm like, that's the worst set I ever had.

01:28:42.000 I hated it.

01:28:43.000 And then the second show, I'm like, I am the best comedian that ever lived.

01:28:47.000 And then a little time goes by and I watch them both.

01:28:49.000 I'm like, the first show was better.

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 Because I was like, please, come on.

01:28:53.000 And the audience is like, look at the poor guys.

01:28:56.000 Like, sometimes the comedy style has changed a lot.

01:28:59.000 The audiences, sometimes they're like...

01:29:01.000 Whole tables of young women. 0.99

01:29:03.000 It's just a different vibe than it used to be some nights.

01:29:06.000 Some nights it's the old cellar.

01:29:07.000 But some nights I'm up there doing this kind of very contrarian, upsetting stuff that I do.

01:29:13.000 It's all I have.

01:29:14.000 And they don't like it.

01:29:15.000 And they're, ugh. 0.98

01:29:17.000 But there's like 18 people out of the 90 who are fucking howling. 0.98

01:29:22.000 Not only because they like my jokes, but because they're like, this is my favorite night. 0.99

01:29:27.000 I'm going to watch him fucking eat it. 0.99

01:29:30.000 Because I'm so uncomfortable. 0.99

01:29:32.000 I'm like, please let me do this joke.

01:29:34.000 And I think that's more fun to watch, in a sense.

01:29:36.000 It's certainly more fun to watch if you're a fan.

01:29:39.000 Yes.

01:29:40.000 Especially if you've seen great sets where someone's killing.

01:29:44.000 I remember I saw Hicks once at Nick's Comedy Stop.

01:29:48.000 And he went on right after this guy, Larry Norton, comic on a Harley.

01:29:54.000 I remember Larry Norton.

01:29:55.000 He worked in Boston.

01:29:56.000 My name is Larry Norton.

01:29:58.000 I'm a comic on a Harley.

01:30:00.000 I'm just like, all of you is I got a wife and a girlfriend, whatever.

01:30:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:30:04.000 So he had these very straightforward jokes, very funny guy, does great with the audience.

01:30:10.000 And then Hicks goes up and he's really patient and really dark and people start leaving.

01:30:18.000 And they start leaving in droves.

01:30:20.000 I mean, he cleared out, what is Nick's seat, like 300 people?

01:30:24.000 About the end.

01:30:25.000 He probably cleared 190 people.

01:30:28.000 And I'm not exaggerating. 0.76

01:30:30.000 So by the time of the set, there's Greg Fitzsimmons, me, and a couple other comics that probably don't do comedy anymore, and we are fucking crying laughing.

01:30:38.000 And there's this one moment in his act, Where he's doing...

01:30:42.000 I forget what the bit was. 0.97

01:30:44.000 It was like Satan having sex with John Davidson or something like that.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, I think it was Britney Spears or... 0.76

01:30:51.000 No, somebody before her, Debbie Gibson.

01:30:53.000 Yeah, there was that too. 1.00

01:30:54.000 And then he's taking a shit. 0.99

01:30:57.000 I forget what the bit was. 0.99

01:30:58.000 So he's in the middle like...

01:30:59.000 And people would just...

01:31:02.000 The whole table should get up and he goes...

01:31:03.000 He looks up and he goes, yeah, this generally clears the room.

01:31:09.000 But if you're a comic watching that or a Bill Hicks fan, it's much more fun than watching him kill.

01:31:14.000 I was just so astonished at how calm he was while he was bombing.

01:31:19.000 He bombed a lot.

01:31:20.000 Yeah.

01:31:20.000 He was used to it.

01:31:22.000 I opened for him at the San Francisco Punchline once.

01:31:25.000 And the first show, he just annihilated.

01:31:27.000 And it was glorious to watch.

01:31:29.000 It was Elvis-like.

01:31:30.000 But the rest of the week, it was hard.

01:31:33.000 Watching him in his loneliness on stage with a crowd that just doesn't want to hear it, It was pretty special.

01:31:40.000 I was friends with his girlfriend.

01:31:42.000 It was one of his girlfriends before he died.

01:31:45.000 And I remember she said that he just wanted to go back to the room and watch porn.

01:31:50.000 That's all he would do.

01:31:52.000 He wouldn't go out with anybody.

01:31:54.000 He would just go back to the room.

01:31:55.000 Yeah, he wasn't very social.

01:31:56.000 And that loneliness was real.

01:32:00.000 He was lost in his own head.

01:32:04.000 Well, killing can hurt your act in a way, you know?

01:32:07.000 When you're really destroying, you just feel good and you're just getting off on it, you know?

01:32:13.000 And, like, I do bits that can be very offensive, but I work on them, like, really strategically so that everybody will like it.

01:32:20.000 But it starts as an offensive idea, but then I forget that it was ever offensive because the bit's killing.

01:32:25.000 So then I start doing the bit like, yeah, hey, man, here's a great bit.

01:32:29.000 You love this. 0.99

01:32:30.000 And then I always hit some audience that goes like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:32:34.000 Don't talk about it. 0.99

01:32:35.000 And I go, oh, that's right.

01:32:35.000 People don't like this.

01:32:37.000 So you need the bad in the room.

01:32:41.000 It's very important.

01:32:42.000 It's important to get feedback.

01:32:43.000 I didn't mean to cut you off.

01:32:44.000 What was your question?

01:32:45.000 I didn't mean to not let you cut me off.

01:32:46.000 My question was, well, I feel like we started around the same time.

01:32:52.000 My question, your story.

01:32:53.000 No, the story was definitely on the way.

01:32:55.000 See, this is what I'll hear.

01:32:57.000 People are like, how dare you speak!

01:32:59.000 But you're making it happen!

01:33:00.000 No, tell me your story.

01:33:01.000 No, this is what happened regardless.

01:33:02.000 It's not a story, it was a question.

01:33:03.000 My question is, do you two think that you have enough interesting material to carry this show without me for five minutes while I piss?

01:33:15.000 Yes!

01:33:15.000 Do you think that the people would be okay if I left for a few minutes?

01:33:19.000 You should go piss, yeah.

01:33:19.000 Because it feels like I'm kind of the spine here.

01:33:21.000 I'm gonna take a turn after you.

01:33:23.000 Okay, good.

01:33:23.000 Well, we'll edit it out if we bomb.

01:33:25.000 Okay, I'll be right. 0.98

01:33:26.000 I've got pissing problems.

01:33:27.000 Go ahead.

01:33:28.000 Don't worry about this.

01:33:29.000 Don't worry about it, Joe.

01:33:29.000 Say nice things about me.

01:33:30.000 We will, for sure.

01:33:31.000 You'll be able to hear it, because there's a monitor in the... 1.00

01:33:33.000 Oh, fuck me! 1.00

01:33:34.000 As soon as you walk out of here, we're gonna start talking. 1.00

01:33:35.000 You alright?

01:33:36.000 Poor boy.

01:33:37.000 You're walking out to the hallway where Ari peed into a bottle. 1.00

01:33:43.000 We did a podcast and Ari grabbed, was it a whiskey bottle? 0.95

01:33:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:47.000 And he stuck his cock in it and filled it with piss in the hallway. 1.00

01:33:50.000 And obviously this place is very secure. 1.00

01:33:52.000 We have security guards and cameras everywhere.

01:33:55.000 So we got footage of him pissing in the bottle.

01:33:57.000 And then we showed it to him. 0.99

01:33:58.000 He was like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:34:00.000 Why are you filming me peeing? 1.00

01:34:01.000 Why are you peeing in a bottle?

01:34:03.000 Yeah, that's the real question. 1.00

01:34:04.000 Why are you peeing in my fucking hallway when it's ten steps to a bathroom? 1.00

01:34:07.000 Ten steps! 1.00

01:34:08.000 He's a strange boy.

01:34:09.000 He's the oddest.

01:34:10.000 He is.

01:34:10.000 He's very strange.

01:34:11.000 He's a very nice guy.

01:34:12.000 I love him to death.

01:34:13.000 He's a very sweet guy.

01:34:15.000 He really is.

01:34:16.000 Misunderstood.

01:34:17.000 He is misunderstood on purpose a little bit.

01:34:19.000 I think he likes it.

01:34:20.000 I think it's his comfort zone.

01:34:21.000 He's misunderstood.

01:34:22.000 There's a little of that there.

01:34:23.000 But he's a very nice fella.

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 And he's funny.

01:34:26.000 He's the best.

01:34:27.000 He's an interesting guy.

01:34:28.000 He'll just decide to abandon civilization entirely.

01:34:32.000 He gets rid of his phone, he gets rid of his laptop, and he'll just go to Asia for like three months at a time and ruin his career.

01:34:39.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.000 His podcast drops off like 50%. 1.00

01:34:43.000 He's like, fuck! 1.00

01:34:45.000 Fucking, fucking, fuck! 1.00

01:34:46.000 But that's good. 1.00

01:34:47.000 It's a good balance.

01:34:48.000 No, it's great.

01:34:49.000 For him, it's very good.

01:34:51.000 Because it brings him back to just being a person.

01:34:54.000 And he's in Asia.

01:34:55.000 No one knows who he is.

01:34:56.000 And he's wandering around and going to different places.

01:34:59.000 No idea where he's going.

01:35:00.000 He's just checking off stuff on a list.

01:35:03.000 Well, and also, when you have a career, your life is burning while you're sitting there trying to get somewhere, and you're pushing and pushing.

01:35:09.000 You're getting older.

01:35:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:10.000 And so, for him, his career might be bumpy, but he's seen a lot of fucking places. 0.99

01:35:15.000 He's climbed mountains in Peru, and he's been to Bangkok or whatever the fucking, you know, all over the place. 0.77

01:35:20.000 There's also the thing that I think you need to do stuff, and sometimes comics just do comedy constantly, and you will run out of things to talk about because you're not having experiences.

01:35:32.000 That's right.

01:35:32.000 And you also, you're not connecting with people in a very normal way.

01:35:36.000 You're just sort of connecting with people with material, and then the people that are supporting you putting that material out.

01:35:42.000 So it's like, you know, you're talking to your manager and your agent and your friends, and then you're on a plane, then you land in a new place, it's the same thing.

01:35:48.000 Say hi to the waitstaff, meet the manager, hey, what's up?

01:35:52.000 And then it's back to the same thing, but you're not having life experiences.

01:35:56.000 That's right.

01:35:56.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 That's right.

01:35:57.000 Well, that's where, you know, the guys used to do great authors, you know.

01:36:00.000 Like, I've been reading, what's his name? 0.98

01:36:02.000 Fucking Tropic of Cancer. 0.99

01:36:07.000 Fucking Blanken on his name. 1.00

01:36:09.000 Great author. 0.99

01:36:11.000 You'd know his name right away. 1.00

01:36:12.000 And he wrote Sexus and Plexus fucking... 1.00

01:36:15.000 Jamie. 1.00

01:36:16.000 Henry Miller.

01:36:17.000 Henry Miller. 1.00

01:36:18.000 Henry Miller wrote these really crazy, sexual, drunk-filled, fucked-up books. 1.00

01:36:26.000 Insane. 1.00

01:36:27.000 And he lived in France.

01:36:29.000 He just went to France with no money and lived in France in the 30s, in the 1930s, this guy.

01:36:35.000 And just bummed around and wrote these amazing books. 0.99

01:36:38.000 If you read Tropic of Cancer, it's describing women's pussies for many pages, you know? 0.99

01:36:47.000 But beautifully. 1.00

01:36:48.000 Like, say, her cunt smelled like peanut butter, but it looked like a rose. 1.00

01:36:52.000 Just crazy. 1.00

01:36:53.000 It's the most graphic... 0.95

01:36:55.000 Sexually sick stuff I've ever read, beautifully written.

01:36:58.000 And it was written in the 30s. 0.70

01:37:00.000 But that's what those guys did.

01:37:01.000 They'd just go dive into life and experience it.

01:37:04.000 And then he'd come out with a masterpiece.

01:37:07.000 That's what's interesting about when people would write things and they wouldn't have any input from...

01:37:13.000 Critics or audience or...

01:37:16.000 There was no one that was reading their stuff where they were reading the people reading their stuff on social media and just dealing with these expectations and these other people's ideas and opinions.

01:37:28.000 I think that's really fucking a lot of people up.

01:37:31.000 Yeah, being too engaged to the audience, I think, is the worst. 0.77

01:37:34.000 It's really hurt art.

01:37:35.000 Like, a lot of people have stopped creating good artists, and you see them on Twitter all the time.

01:37:40.000 It's like, put it down and please make something, you know?

01:37:44.000 But some people do it because they want attention.

01:37:46.000 Some people do art because they want that connection.

01:37:48.000 Right.

01:37:49.000 So when they're on social media, they're fine.

01:37:51.000 They don't need the work.

01:37:52.000 Yeah, that's the problem, though.

01:37:56.000 It's just distracting.

01:37:58.000 It's a form of procrastination. 0.98

01:38:01.000 You're just doing that.

01:38:02.000 You don't realize it.

01:38:04.000 I sat down to write last night.

01:38:05.000 I did the show.

01:38:06.000 And then I generally like to write at nighttime when everyone's asleep in the house.

01:38:10.000 It just seems easier to me.

01:38:11.000 Plus, I don't feel guilty when I get high.

01:38:13.000 And so I get home, and I'm sitting in front of my computer, and I'm looking at pool cues and muscle cars, and I'm watching YouTube.

01:38:21.000 And then I just talk to myself. 1.00

01:38:22.000 I go, hey, stupid. 1.00

01:38:23.000 Like, what are you doing? 1.00

01:38:24.000 You're here for work.

01:38:25.000 Go to work.

01:38:26.000 And then once I started working, I wrote something that was actually pretty funny, and I'm like, ah, this wouldn't have come.

01:38:31.000 This wouldn't have come.

01:38:32.000 I have to sit there.

01:38:33.000 And I just felt like, yes.

01:38:34.000 This is what you're supposed to do.

01:38:35.000 But it's that thing that Steven Pressfield talks about, that resistance that you have to overcome.

01:38:39.000 There's this weird thing where you just like know there's a thing you're supposed to do, but you just get distracted.

01:38:45.000 You just want to, you know...

01:38:47.000 I'd rather you have a laptop that's not even connected to the internet.

01:38:51.000 Yeah, the one I write with, I can't...

01:38:54.000 Also, my phone doesn't have...

01:38:56.000 My phone has text and email and phone and a map, but I don't have any...

01:39:02.000 I can't see the news on my phone.

01:39:04.000 I can't watch clips of anything.

01:39:07.000 And it keeps my head clean. 0.99

01:39:08.000 If I'm sitting at a computer that can go on the internet, it's just a cornucopia into just fucking... 1.00

01:39:14.000 Yeah, cars, vaginas, violence. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Every movie I ever wanted to see, just dumb things. 0.99

01:39:22.000 So I have a computer that can write and I can only take... 0.91

01:39:25.000 I can't even...

01:39:26.000 I have to take stuff off with a USB drive.

01:39:28.000 Because I'm staring...

01:39:29.000 The thing that people get afraid of and that's even more effective than experience is just silence.

01:39:34.000 It's just quiet.

01:39:35.000 And I think comedians in particular vibrate too much.

01:39:38.000 And if you can get used to just nothing...

01:39:42.000 And just going, that awful feeling that makes you grab for a distraction, that awful feeling is so valuable. 1.00

01:39:48.000 If you can just sit in it, tap it, and you go, fuck. 1.00

01:39:52.000 Because you'll have a real profound thought. 1.00

01:39:54.000 I hate being in my body.

01:39:56.000 I hate silence. 0.95

01:39:58.000 I hate my dad, whatever it is.

01:40:00.000 And then you go, now you're onto something. 0.67

01:40:02.000 Yes.

01:40:03.000 Now you're in your spirit.

01:40:04.000 Now you've got something to say, you know?

01:40:06.000 Yeah.

01:40:06.000 And that feeling of boredom is just, it's gone.

01:40:11.000 It's gone.

01:40:12.000 When I see comedians at clubs and they're on their phones while they're waiting to go on, you're just corrupting your mind and you're not letting it rest.

01:40:20.000 If you just sit and watch the other comic, and it's like looking at the ocean, watching a comic, joke, laugh, joke, laugh, and you're getting the sense of that human ocean rhythm.

01:40:31.000 And then you're ready to go on stage.

01:40:33.000 But if you're sitting there checking your DMs, did any girls like me last night?

01:40:38.000 It's just a waste.

01:40:40.000 The internet is not resting your brain and it's not even really using it.

01:40:44.000 I started taking piano lessons because it felt like being at a computer and sitting at a piano and trying to pick out a piece of music which I can't really do.

01:40:53.000 It's exercising my brain and it's also massaging it.

01:40:57.000 So I do crosswords and stuff.

01:40:59.000 I like puzzles and And that kind of thing.

01:41:02.000 There's so many things you can do that aren't just passive surfing.

01:41:06.000 And also letting the algorithm take you from thing to thing. 0.99

01:41:09.000 And this AI machine taking you from one dumb thing to the next and making you dumber and dumber each thing that you want. 0.97

01:41:16.000 That's why I like things that require 100% focus, like archery and pool. 0.98

01:41:21.000 Those are two things that I really like, because when you're lined up on a shot and you've got a long shot in a pool, you're not thinking about anything else.

01:41:29.000 No, you've got to clear your mind.

01:41:31.000 Yeah.

01:41:31.000 It's a freeing sort of exercise, and I don't think enough people do things like that, a thing where you're in that moment entirely, only thinking about that thing.

01:41:42.000 That's what I love about Jiu-Jitsu, too, when someone's choking you.

01:41:44.000 You're not thinking about anything else.

01:41:47.000 You're not thinking about other comedians doing better than you.

01:41:49.000 No.

01:41:49.000 That's the worst.

01:41:51.000 The fucking thoughts of comedians doing better than you are the fucking most useless, worthless thoughts. 1.00

01:41:57.000 Even when I'm doing jujitsu and I'm getting choked, I'm like, I wonder if other comics would have lasted longer in this. 1.00

01:42:04.000 Am I tapping as well as Samaril taps?

01:42:07.000 How often are you doing jiu-jitsu?

01:42:09.000 It's been a while now.

01:42:10.000 I was going strong, and then I've just been busy with road and podcast.

01:42:14.000 It's annoying, but I used to go once a week for quite a while.

01:42:18.000 You enjoying it?

01:42:19.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:42:20.000 There's a guy, Diego Lopez, who's a comedian, and he was my trainer, who's also a vegan, by the way.

01:42:25.000 And he was in the movie.

01:42:26.000 He was in the movie, but he got cut.

01:42:28.000 Fourth of July, available on lewisck.com.

01:42:31.000 Is he in the deleted scenes that are also available?

01:42:33.000 I don't think he's in that deleted scene.

01:42:34.000 He's not in a deleted scene. 0.99

01:42:35.000 Wow, we really fucked him. 0.97

01:42:36.000 Luis Gomez is, though. 0.98

01:42:37.000 Speaking of MMA and deleted scenes, you've got to watch it.

01:42:41.000 You know Luis.

01:42:42.000 You can only see this if you buy the movie.

01:42:44.000 So, Luis Gomez, there was a scene where Joe, his character Jeff, is sitting in a car.

01:42:48.000 Luis Gomez?

01:42:49.000 Luis J? Luis?

01:42:50.000 You call him Luis.

01:42:51.000 Yeah.

01:42:52.000 You're the only person on earth that calls him Luis.

01:42:54.000 I don't think he cares.

01:42:55.000 Luis J. Gomez.

01:42:56.000 Yeah.

01:42:57.000 Talented actor.

01:42:58.000 I think he's got a future as an actor.

01:42:59.000 He's talented at a lot of things.

01:43:01.000 He can fight, too.

01:43:02.000 I'm watching his sparring footage and all that stuff.

01:43:05.000 He knows what he's doing.

01:43:06.000 He's training hard at it.

01:43:08.000 One of the funniest guys on the planet.

01:43:09.000 We did this scene where he's sitting in a car, and it's just one of the episodes of anxiety in the movie.

01:43:14.000 I'm sitting in the car, not Luke.

01:43:15.000 He's sitting in the car.

01:43:16.000 And he's sitting just at an intersection.

01:43:18.000 He looks and he sees two kind of city tough guys.

01:43:21.000 Will Savinch, who's a very funny comic also.

01:43:24.000 And Luis Gomez hanging out.

01:43:27.000 And they just make him anxious.

01:43:29.000 He's that anxious that he's just projecting onto these two guys.

01:43:31.000 What if they don't like me?

01:43:32.000 What if something happened?

01:43:33.000 And then we kind of go to this fantasy sequence where they jump on the car and they're trying to get in the car and screaming at him.

01:43:39.000 And I wanted Luis to punch the windshield and break it.

01:43:43.000 But it's very expensive to do stunts.

01:43:46.000 You need many windshields.

01:43:48.000 You need safety glass.

01:43:49.000 I couldn't afford it.

01:43:50.000 I paid for this movie out of my pocket.

01:43:52.000 And also you need safety people, and you need a speech, and you need to control the intersection for far longer, and the cops send extra people. 0.97

01:44:00.000 So I did something very fucked up and irresponsible. 0.92

01:44:03.000 I told the woman on her, I said, get more windshields. 1.00

01:44:09.000 Just don't ask me why.

01:44:10.000 And I told Lewis, be careful, and don't break the windshield, but it would be kind of a cool scene if you broke the windshield.

01:44:20.000 And he was like, can I break it?

01:44:21.000 He was so excited to break the windshield.

01:44:23.000 And the cop on set did his job.

01:44:27.000 He saw three windshields.

01:44:28.000 He's like, why do you have extra windshields?

01:44:30.000 I'm like, I don't know.

01:44:32.000 It's okay.

01:44:33.000 And he said, are you going to try to make the guy break the windshield? 0.99

01:44:35.000 And I fucking lied to this cop's face and said, no way. 0.99

01:44:39.000 I wouldn't let that happen. 0.99

01:44:41.000 And so we had kind of a code with Lewis that...

01:44:46.000 If the take was going well, I'd kind of give him a little...

01:44:49.000 That meant go for it. 0.99

01:44:51.000 And he fucking just punched straight at the windshield and cracked it and kept... 0.99

01:44:57.000 His hand was bloody and he peeled it away like a fucking fruit to get his hand in to attack Jeff, Joe, who's yelling, cut, cut, cut, because he's covered in glass. 0.99

01:45:07.000 And he's going, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, which you can't really hear. 0.96

01:45:10.000 But it was a really dynamic and beautiful scene, and he made it great, and Will was great too. 1.00

01:45:16.000 But it's one of those things, and as soon as he cracked it, I inadvertently looked at the cop, and he was like, you fucking asshole. 1.00

01:45:25.000 You fucking asshole. 1.00

01:45:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:27.000 And so that was the last shot of the day, so we didn't have to deal with it.

01:45:31.000 But we had to cut it because there was too many scenes about anxiety.

01:45:34.000 It was muddling the story.

01:45:36.000 But it's in the extra features if you buy it.

01:45:38.000 Is that one of the hardest parts of putting together a film, is trying to figure out what to leave in and what to take out?

01:45:44.000 Yeah, when you're editing, you have to be brutal. 0.99

01:45:46.000 You can't give a shit what it took you to shoot it. 0.98

01:45:49.000 And also, sometimes the scenes are beautiful. 0.99

01:45:51.000 Like, that's a great moment.

01:45:52.000 That guy did a great job in that one.

01:45:54.000 That was a really great scene.

01:45:56.000 But you don't know until you watch the movie what belongs in there.

01:46:00.000 But is it hard because you're so involved in it?

01:46:04.000 You're there.

01:46:05.000 Is it hard to see what's good and what's bad after a while?

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 Oh, in editing?

01:46:10.000 Yeah.

01:46:10.000 That is the problem with it.

01:46:12.000 That is the challenge, is keeping it fresh.

01:46:15.000 You try to work on scenes specific and then put them away and work on another one and try not to think about the overall.

01:46:22.000 You try not to watch the film down until you have a version of it and then you sit and you watch it.

01:46:28.000 And then watching it with somebody else, though, makes a big difference.

01:46:32.000 Somebody else in the room, even if they're not commenting, you feel them in the room and it changes how you see it.

01:46:38.000 Some people show it to audiences for tests.

01:46:40.000 I don't do that.

01:46:41.000 And I didn't have to because it's my money.

01:46:44.000 But that's always weird, right?

01:46:46.000 You're relying on the audience and their reaction.

01:46:50.000 And as you were saying, the audience in Boston is so different than the audience in New York.

01:46:54.000 That's right.

01:46:55.000 That's why I think that test screenings are inaccurate.

01:47:00.000 You're also getting people that are being paid to sit there.

01:47:03.000 That's right. 0.96

01:47:03.000 They're weirdos. 0.96

01:47:04.000 They're weird people.

01:47:05.000 And then they interview them and they ask them questions like, were you ever confused during the movie?

01:47:10.000 And they say, I was confused during this part.

01:47:11.000 And so the studio tells you, cut it.

01:47:14.000 But the confusion was the correct feeling during that time.

01:47:17.000 Right.

01:47:17.000 Or being upset.

01:47:18.000 You know, like when they do sitcoms, like you were in a sitcom, and at some point they tested that one, and people have a wheel, like a joystick wheel, like a, you know, in their hands.

01:47:29.000 And as they watch it, they go to the right if they're happy, and to the left if they're unhappy.

01:47:35.000 And so if there's a villain in the movie that's supposed to be a bad guy, it goes way down.

01:47:40.000 So they show you the chart.

01:47:41.000 It's like an EKG. And when it dips, the studio says, cut that.

01:47:47.000 Get rid of that guy or make that guy more likable. 1.00

01:47:50.000 Because he's testing low.

01:47:52.000 But he's supposed to test low.

01:47:53.000 You're supposed to, in a movie or TV, you're supposed to have this experience.

01:47:57.000 But they want a kind of like 60% all the way across.

01:48:02.000 That's why TV and movies are often very sedate, you know.

01:48:05.000 Although not now.

01:48:06.000 Again, my daughter watches Stranger Things, and I started watching it with her. 0.99

01:48:12.000 It's a fucking great show. 0.99

01:48:14.000 Great show. 0.99

01:48:14.000 And it's adventurous, and it's at times puzzling and inappropriate and strange, and it's beautiful. 0.99

01:48:20.000 So people are making really cool stuff now in the big places.

01:48:23.000 Have you seen Ozark?

01:48:24.000 Hadn't seen it.

01:48:25.000 So disturbing. 1.00

01:48:26.000 It's a fucking wild show. 1.00

01:48:28.000 They just ended it. 0.99

01:48:30.000 They just ended the whole series.

01:48:31.000 They finished it.

01:48:32.000 But it's a thing that you could only make on a streaming channel.

01:48:36.000 And you could only make if you're a person that has that sort of autonomy, where the people just let you kind of do it.

01:48:42.000 And that's one thing, to Netflix's credit, is that they will just let people put out their stuff.

01:48:48.000 Like I was watching Cobra Kai.

01:48:50.000 Have you seen this?

01:48:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:51.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

01:48:52.000 It's very good. 1.00

01:48:53.000 It's fucking great. 0.97

01:48:54.000 You can sort of tell after a few episodes they handed it off to kind of a writing staff. 0.97

01:48:58.000 It's not being just the vision of the guys.

01:49:01.000 I don't know anything about who made it, but you can tell it becomes stories with arcs and characters having arcs. 1.00

01:49:08.000 But when it starts, just this fucking guy and he's a fucking... 0.99

01:49:13.000 He's a horrible guy in some levels, but you feel yourself starting to like him. 1.00

01:49:17.000 That's the potential you have.

01:49:20.000 People connecting with people they don't like.

01:49:22.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 It's a great thing.

01:49:24.000 It's a great thing.

01:49:25.000 It's not to be run away from.

01:49:27.000 It's like with stand-up.

01:49:28.000 Ideas that upset people.

01:49:30.000 This is what we do that I love.

01:49:32.000 That's like a religion to me.

01:49:33.000 I would die for it.

01:49:34.000 Is that you take people to a place that they hate, that they're upset, that scares them or offends them or makes them feel bad when they think about it.

01:49:43.000 You take them to that part of their brain and you make them laugh there. 0.99

01:49:47.000 That's a What a great fucking thing that is. 1.00

01:49:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:50.000 And people love it, you know?

01:49:51.000 You don't need any more excuse to do it than that, that people keep coming to the shows, you know?

01:49:56.000 It's easy sport for other people to take it and go, you shouldn't have said that thing.

01:50:00.000 Right.

01:50:00.000 You guys play that game, that's fine.

01:50:02.000 But the audience still loves just being jarred and played with, because it's a game, it's a game, it's a fun...

01:50:07.000 Movies are a game, too.

01:50:08.000 We're going to show you somebody, a mass murderer, and he's actually the good guy, you know, that kind of thing.

01:50:14.000 Well, Tony Soprano.

01:50:15.000 Yes.

01:50:16.000 Tony Soprano was an evil, terrible person who was the anti-hero that everyone loved. 0.63

01:50:22.000 That's right.

01:50:23.000 Yeah.

01:50:23.000 It's like to have that is good.

01:50:26.000 It's like what they did with Cobra Kai was fascinating because they made Ralph Macchio a shithead. 0.97

01:50:30.000 That's right. 0.96

01:50:31.000 And they made the bad guy likable.

01:50:33.000 That's right.

01:50:34.000 And I remember thinking that when I watched the movie. 0.99

01:50:35.000 The first time Ralph Macchio punches him, like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:50:39.000 He was just... 0.99

01:50:39.000 He was actually saying to his girlfriend, hey, I'm just trying to talk to you. 0.99

01:50:42.000 And then this guy gets in the way, and then he punches him. 0.99

01:50:45.000 He's kind of a dick in Karate Kid. 0.87

01:50:48.000 And he wins, and I loved it when I was a kid. 1.00

01:50:50.000 But he is kind of an asshole. 1.00

01:50:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:50:52.000 It's, um...

01:50:53.000 I think it's... 0.96

01:50:55.000 More rewarding now for audiences when you do something fucked up, because they know there's consequences. 0.88

01:51:01.000 They know that it's, you know, Ari said something that I always repeat, is that comedy's dangerous again. 0.96

01:51:07.000 That's what he likes.

01:51:08.000 I think that's good, yeah.

01:51:10.000 Yeah.

01:51:11.000 The fact that you could get air quotes canceled.

01:51:14.000 What does that mean?

01:51:15.000 People are going to get upset at you?

01:51:17.000 Well, this just means more input, but you don't have to listen to it.

01:51:20.000 No, that's the thing.

01:51:21.000 I think people are being called canceled who really just got criticized.

01:51:24.000 That does happen.

01:51:27.000 Canceled is a brand that's been diluted.

01:51:29.000 Yeah.

01:51:30.000 I mean, there are people that get canceled.

01:51:31.000 Sure.

01:51:32.000 But there's a thing that happens also to comics where they do- Who?

01:51:36.000 Who do you mean?

01:51:37.000 I've heard.

01:51:37.000 I've heard of a few people.

01:51:38.000 I've heard a few people who had material loss.

01:51:41.000 What does that mean?

01:51:42.000 You know, it's like criticism is kind of essential.

01:51:46.000 And if you're putting out something that's relevant, you're going to have differing opinions.

01:51:51.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

01:51:52.000 It's part of what's great about culture, is that somebody puts something out and everybody gets upset.

01:51:57.000 Like every great work that's out there, like old things, they always tell you, like Beethoven's Ninth, when they first played it, people were throwing chairs and booing.

01:52:06.000 There was a riot. 0.99

01:52:07.000 Like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:52:09.000 Really? 1.00

01:52:10.000 Yeah, they were that angry.

01:52:11.000 I might be wrong about the particular symphony, but those stories are out there a lot.

01:52:16.000 In its time, this was hated.

01:52:19.000 And it doesn't mean that they were wrong.

01:52:21.000 It was part of the excitement of it, too.

01:52:24.000 That's part of people.

01:52:25.000 People take this.

01:52:26.000 I don't believe in misinterpretation as a real word.

01:52:31.000 Like, you misinterpreted.

01:52:33.000 That's not how I meant it.

01:52:33.000 No, I interpreted it.

01:52:35.000 I took what you made, and it made me feel something different than you felt about it, and I expressed that.

01:52:41.000 It used to be, I think, the critics, like we were talking about this, critics used to be really good at interpreting and dissecting and voicing outrage about stuff in a way, but artistically they used to be good.

01:52:54.000 Now it's kind of like figuring out the buzzwords and making it.

01:52:57.000 It's not the same.

01:52:59.000 Well, there's still some critics out there, but I think the issue is that journalism itself, it's very difficult to get paid for journalism. 0.96

01:53:06.000 If you want to sell a newspaper, good fucking luck. 0.97

01:53:09.000 Nobody's buying newspapers. 0.99

01:53:10.000 That's right.

01:53:11.000 So you have to get clicks.

01:53:12.000 So it's all about engagement.

01:53:15.000 So it's all about salacious storylines and whatever you say in the headline has to catch people immediately.

01:53:22.000 Yeah.

01:53:24.000 It's all about saying something that's going to outrage people or upset people and get them to click on it because that's where the ad revenue comes from.

01:53:30.000 And that's really old, too.

01:53:32.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 I mean, the New York Post used to be clickbait.

01:53:34.000 Back when it was just newspapers, the Post with the crazy...

01:53:38.000 And they did way back then what websites, news websites do now.

01:53:43.000 Like, the New York Post would have a headline that's like, War with China?

01:53:47.000 The question mark is what keeps you from getting sued.

01:53:49.000 Right.

01:53:49.000 War with China?

01:53:50.000 Then you read the newspaper.

01:53:51.000 You buy the paper.

01:53:53.000 And the story is, no, there's no war with China.

01:53:55.000 You're fine.

01:53:56.000 So there's a lot of stories like that.

01:53:58.000 The headline is like, you know, is this or that evil?

01:54:02.000 And then you read it and you go, no, actually, it's okay.

01:54:04.000 This guy said it was, but he's not.

01:54:06.000 That's how they protect themselves.

01:54:07.000 It's weird because no one saw social media coming and the influence that it has on people, positive and negative.

01:54:13.000 But what is coming after this?

01:54:15.000 Like, it's not like this is going to be the end.

01:54:17.000 This is not the final frontier.

01:54:19.000 No, it's just another thing.

01:54:21.000 It's just another thing.

01:54:22.000 And our generation got kind of caught in the teeth of it because it's so different from what we started out with.

01:54:28.000 So we're bewildered by it and upset by it.

01:54:31.000 And we're like, this is the end of the world.

01:54:34.000 But the next generation of kids, I think, they got their head together about it. 1.00

01:54:39.000 Like every human being, they have a nose for bullshit. 0.99

01:54:42.000 Kids I know, my daughter's age, you know. 1.00

01:54:44.000 They're just, they're like, no, that's dumb. 0.98

01:54:47.000 I'm not interested in that. 0.99

01:54:48.000 They think it's funny. 0.52

01:54:50.000 They think it's silly.

01:54:51.000 And then it gets absorbed like everything else.

01:54:55.000 You know, cable TV was supposed to be like, no one's thinking anymore.

01:54:58.000 Everybody's watching, you know.

01:54:59.000 I mean, TV when it came out was like, that's the evil thing.

01:55:03.000 You know, and Malcolm McLuhan or Marshall McLuhan wrote about how this is going to end.

01:55:07.000 And TV's an afterthought now.

01:55:10.000 It's just been absorbed and people found ways to do beautiful things in television.

01:55:14.000 So I think it'll just take its place.

01:55:18.000 This is a book that I was reading that Neil Brennan recommended.

01:55:21.000 I think it's called Entertaining Yourself to Death, something like that.

01:55:25.000 But essentially it was a book that was written in the 1980s.

01:55:29.000 Let me find the book.

01:55:32.000 You know what it is?

01:55:34.000 Amusing Ourselves to Death.

01:55:35.000 That's it. 0.67

01:55:35.000 Amusing Ourselves to Death. 0.67

01:55:36.000 It's a book that was written in the fucking 80s, and it's so relevant because it's talking about how television is dumbing people down and dumbing people's perspectives and ideas down, but it's during the Reagan administration. 0.97

01:55:49.000 And it's so relevant today, but ramped up X 100. What's so scary, though, is that social media is manipulating you. 0.94

01:56:04.000 It's keeping track of you much more than cable television ever was.

01:56:08.000 It knows more about you than you do.

01:56:10.000 I was listening to a podcast where they were like, social media now could even know you're gay before you realize it.

01:56:19.000 Because it knows how long you pause and how long you stop and then gives you more of that.

01:56:24.000 So it's like much more insidious than TV. It is a pretty wild thing, because TV was always a slave to the audience, and they were trying to guess.

01:56:32.000 And they got screwed by their guesses so often.

01:56:35.000 So you put on a show, I remember when I was doing Lucky Louie, there was a show with Heather Graham, it was called Emily's Reasons Why Not.

01:56:44.000 And she was a big star.

01:56:47.000 She'd done Boogie Nights, and they really banked on this is going to be ABC, huge budget.

01:56:52.000 And they shot 24 episodes.

01:56:54.000 And then they put the first one on the air.

01:56:56.000 They had billboards.

01:56:57.000 Like, you'd go down Sunset Boulevard, it'd be like three Emily's Reason Why It's Not billboards.

01:57:03.000 And it tanked.

01:57:04.000 And after one week, they pulled it.

01:57:05.000 And it was for nothing.

01:57:07.000 No one ever saw the rest of it.

01:57:09.000 They didn't even go, like, let it run.

01:57:10.000 It was too expensive to let it sit there where they could use a rerun.

01:57:15.000 Yeah.

01:57:31.000 And they've limited, with all the big platforms, the ability to roam and look around as much, and everything feels the same.

01:57:38.000 So it's safe for them now.

01:57:40.000 It's safe.

01:57:41.000 But human beings don't like that.

01:57:43.000 It's just a fact.

01:57:44.000 It's going to take longer, I think, for people to dig out from under this, because of what you're describing.

01:57:50.000 But they will.

01:57:51.000 They'll just stop buying.

01:57:53.000 One of these huge platforms, you know, like CNN's online, there's things still that just fall hard because they didn't guess right. 0.98

01:58:02.000 Well, the CNN one was the dumbest guess of all. 0.57

01:58:04.000 They wanted people to pay for something that they're not really watching for free. 0.99

01:58:08.000 Right.

01:58:08.000 They weren't watching it before for free.

01:58:10.000 Ridiculous idea. 0.82

01:58:11.000 No. 0.81

01:58:12.000 But there's people that are really highly paid and educated at figuring this stuff out and they get it wrong.

01:58:19.000 And the audience is a insipid thing.

01:58:21.000 It's the real people just will not, in the end, do what you want them to do.

01:58:26.000 They'll find a way to start looking elsewhere, like on LouisCK.com on 4th of July.

01:58:34.000 Which is out now, I believe.

01:58:35.000 Out now, $15, yes.

01:58:38.000 One of the cool things about comedy is the fact that we're so removed from all that, in the sense that you are the writer, you're the producer, you're the creator, and you're getting live feedback from the audience every night.

01:58:49.000 There's really nothing like that.

01:58:50.000 It's the best. 0.99

01:58:51.000 It's the fucking best. 0.93

01:58:52.000 It's the greatest job in the world. 0.99

01:58:54.000 Oh my god, I fucking love it. 0.98

01:58:55.000 I've done a lot of different shit, and I always say, if I had to quit all the other things I do, I would 100% stick with comedy. 0.99

01:59:00.000 Same here. 0.97

01:59:01.000 It's just the most fun.

01:59:02.000 It also gives you more.

01:59:03.000 Even the movie, as amazing as it was, You're collaborating and it's beautiful and it was like the happiest time of my life.

01:59:09.000 We had such a great time.

01:59:10.000 We were in Lake George and then every night Louis and Tony V and DePaulo and I would sit around telling comedy stories and smoke cigars by the lake and it was awesome. 0.98

01:59:21.000 And watching the movie with a big group of people was amazing and so satisfying, but it's still not the same drug as doing a set and fucking killing. 0.81

01:59:30.000 Does that buzz or hi? 0.79

01:59:33.000 I always feel like you're going to sound pretentious talking about how much you love comedy, but it is the best.

01:59:39.000 I remember when I was on sitcom, one of the producers said to me, why are you still doing stand-up?

01:59:43.000 You're an actor now.

01:59:44.000 And I remember going, oh no! 0.99

01:59:47.000 I remember thinking, what a fucking terrible piece of advice. 0.98

01:59:51.000 I'm like, oh my god, it made me want to go up. 0.99

01:59:53.000 I'm like, I gotta get a spot tonight. 0.98

01:59:55.000 What the fuck am I doing? 0.99

01:59:57.000 I just got terrified that I was going to become one of these normies. 1.00

02:00:00.000 Yes.

02:00:00.000 One of these people just run...

02:00:02.000 Actor.

02:00:03.000 Well, I like...

02:00:04.000 Bill Cosby used to... 0.99

02:00:05.000 I know he's a serial rapist and yada yada. 1.00

02:00:07.000 But all that... 1.00

02:00:09.000 I didn't know he was yada yada.

02:00:10.000 All that negatives.

02:00:11.000 Oh, he's big time, yada yada.

02:00:12.000 But he would come out, even...

02:00:14.000 He was whatever he was, 80 years old, and come out on to Letterman and do a stand-up set before coming over and talking about whatever.

02:00:21.000 And Letterman was like, oh, you like to do the stand-up?

02:00:23.000 He goes, well, I gotta let...

02:00:24.000 Everyone know.

02:00:25.000 Remind them that I am still a stand-up comedian.

02:00:28.000 And that was after 60 years of entertaining. 0.99

02:00:30.000 Of course, he was a rapist, too. 1.00

02:00:31.000 But still, he was a stand-up comedian rapist. 1.00

02:00:34.000 One of the best. 0.98

02:00:35.000 It's weird that he didn't even practice his stuff in front of an audience.

02:00:39.000 He would just create a monologue.

02:00:42.000 And I don't know...

02:00:43.000 I would have loved before all this happened to have sat down with him and have a conversation with him.

02:00:47.000 Now, obviously, that's a problem.

02:00:48.000 No, he was one of the greatest that ever did it.

02:00:51.000 Yeah, no doubt.

02:00:52.000 I don't know what happens.

02:00:53.000 It's interesting to me as I get older, like when I'm 54 now, you're about the same age.

02:00:59.000 Yeah, I just turned 55. Well, we're at the outliers now.

02:01:02.000 We're the older comics.

02:01:04.000 There's not a lot of people our age that are still really doing it.

02:01:07.000 I mean, there are.

02:01:08.000 There's all over the country doing clubs. 0.99

02:01:10.000 But really doing it in terms of pushing it and saying shit that's... 0.99

02:01:15.000 Tricky. 0.99

02:01:15.000 Yes. 0.99

02:01:16.000 Yeah.

02:01:16.000 And still doing it the old-fashioned way, in a sense.

02:01:20.000 Like, a lot of comics, when they get older, first of all, they go to movies if they get popular, and then that's it.

02:01:24.000 Yeah.

02:01:25.000 Or they might throw together a set and do a special, but you can tell it's not what it was.

02:01:29.000 And some guys do that, that they just come up with it first, and then they just do the theaters.

02:01:33.000 And it's just not, they're not challenged, you know? 0.98

02:01:36.000 But it's still, like, for me, I still go, when I'm ready to do another set, I go to the fucking cellar. 0.98

02:01:41.000 And I'm sitting around comedians that are half my age or less, and I'm waiting to go up, and I'm older, and I got fucking my hands of arthritis, and I'm like, fuck, I don't want to do this. 0.97

02:01:51.000 But that's still the road to a set the way I understand it, how to do it, is these fucking 10-minute sets with weak material, and then building and building, and then clubs and governors in Long Island, and the Nyack levity and all these places, 0.96

02:02:06.000 and then the Nashville zanies. 0.90

02:02:08.000 There's a road that gets me to a theater.

02:02:10.000 Yeah.

02:02:11.000 And it's long.

02:02:12.000 And if I stop doing that, I shouldn't be doing comedy anymore.

02:02:15.000 Well, it's impossible.

02:02:16.000 It's like making cement without the proper mixture.

02:02:19.000 That's right.

02:02:20.000 You have to do it that way.

02:02:22.000 I also still love that.

02:02:23.000 I mean, when I was doing arenas everywhere and all that, that was a trip.

02:02:28.000 And it was fun.

02:02:29.000 And jet planes from one arena to the next.

02:02:32.000 And like, hey, this is where the Timberwolves play.

02:02:35.000 And then the next, you know, Al Basi.

02:02:36.000 He did.

02:02:37.000 Joe did these with me.

02:02:38.000 It was mind-blowing and super fun.

02:02:40.000 And an experience for me. 0.79

02:02:43.000 I think the audience gets screwed because you're this big, in a sense. 0.90

02:02:46.000 But it was fun. 0.79

02:02:48.000 But I think it's an epic moment for them, too.

02:02:50.000 They do.

02:02:51.000 They're excited that they're there at the garden to see you and that they're invested in the fact that you've become a big star and there is that.

02:02:59.000 But they won't keep coming to see you at the garden.

02:03:02.000 It's a one-time-a-year thing.

02:03:05.000 Next time you come to town, you better be at the beacon or the town hall.

02:03:09.000 Right. 0.99

02:03:10.000 But what I discovered coming back was that when I was just doing clubs again, because that's what was available to me, I was happy as fuck. 0.96

02:03:17.000 I was worried, maybe I won't like it. 0.97

02:03:19.000 Right.

02:03:19.000 And I loved it.

02:03:21.000 And I'm just, I don't care where the fuck I am. 0.97

02:03:23.000 I mean, during the pandemic, we were doing shows in, what's the town in Pennsylvania? 0.99

02:03:27.000 Royersford, Pennsylvania.

02:03:28.000 Royersford, Pennsylvania. 0.98

02:03:29.000 Soul Joel's Comedy Club, which I never heard of, but these guys have the fucking tenacity and fortitude to build a tent next to a railroad. 0.86

02:03:37.000 I mean, there's freight trains that come screaming by during the show, and it was the pandemic, and everyone has blankets, and there's sleet. 0.99

02:03:45.000 And you're freezing and we didn't give a fuck. 0.93

02:03:48.000 We had to drive sometimes in traffic like two hours in the snow to get there. 0.99

02:03:51.000 It's like three hours.

02:03:52.000 We would do anything to get on stage and we were so happy during those shows.

02:03:56.000 And at the cellar there'd be like five people because they couldn't put more.

02:03:59.000 Like five people and you're in plexiglass.

02:04:03.000 And everybody had their own microphone. 0.98

02:04:05.000 And other young comedians that we were with were like, this sucks. 0.87

02:04:08.000 I can see myself in the plexiglass. 1.00

02:04:10.000 And I was like, fuck you. 1.00

02:04:11.000 This is glorious. 1.00

02:04:13.000 We're doing stand-up.

02:04:14.000 It's kind of wild, too.

02:04:16.000 You're doing something where you thought it was going to go away forever.

02:04:19.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 That was the weird feeling during the pandemic.

02:04:22.000 The first show that I saw during the pandemic, Burr came to town and he did this outdoor amphitheater.

02:04:29.000 And I hadn't sat down and watched a comedy show in a while.

02:04:32.000 And it was freezing cold out. 1.00

02:04:34.000 And again, people had blankets and Bill was on stage with a coat with a fucking knit cap on and shit. 1.00

02:04:39.000 But it was amazing. 0.98

02:04:41.000 And Chappelle's shows, did you do any of his shows?

02:04:42.000 I did all of them in Austin.

02:04:43.000 We did them all together at Stubbs Amphitheater.

02:04:45.000 That's right.

02:04:46.000 Well, he invited me out to...

02:04:48.000 Yellow Springs.

02:04:49.000 Yellow Springs.

02:04:50.000 And besides being in his world, which is wild, you know, Chappelle Land, being able to do shows there in this cornfield, you know, and other comedians.

02:04:59.000 Last time I saw Bob Saget, I got to see him one more time.

02:05:02.000 And we were all together again and, you know, it was really something.

02:05:05.000 It was great.

02:05:06.000 Yeah, there was something special. 0.99

02:05:07.000 The shows that we did in Stubbs, like Dave called me up and he said, hey, fuck this. 0.99

02:05:11.000 Let's do comedy. 0.98

02:05:12.000 You know, and he's like, let's just test everybody.

02:05:14.000 It'll cost a lot of money and take a lot of time, but it'll be a lot of fun.

02:05:17.000 And we did it, and they were some of the most magical moments ever because while we were there, we were like, oh, I can't believe we're doing this.

02:05:23.000 This is really happening.

02:05:24.000 Yes.

02:05:25.000 I really didn't think it would happen at least for a very long time.

02:05:28.000 And there I am with Dave and Michelle Wolf and we're talking jokes.

02:05:32.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:05:32.000 And Dave would just host the shows and just be really like a comedy club host, like talking to the crowd and just fucking around and doing silly bits. 0.98

02:05:41.000 I loved watching him. 0.99

02:05:43.000 And then we'd all go to his crazy barn and just everybody would dance and it was fucking nuts. 0.98

02:05:49.000 He's doing it right. 0.97

02:05:51.000 He's an unusual person in the greatest sense ever.

02:05:55.000 There's one moment of Chappelle that tells me who he is deep inside.

02:06:00.000 He's a public guy and he's had a varied and complex life, but this is who he is to me.

02:06:05.000 After one of the shows in Yellow Spring, he has his own little nightclub with a DJ station and a bar, and everybody went there afterwards.

02:06:18.000 They're playing really loud music.

02:06:20.000 Mostly black people.

02:06:21.000 And me and Noam, who owns the Comedy Cellar, we're sort of standing.

02:06:25.000 We're the two wallflowers kind of just watching, you know?

02:06:28.000 And these guys, they're in a mob, just dancing, dancing to all kinds of music.

02:06:32.000 Nirvana at one point, old hip-hop, new, you know, weird Alanis Morissette, just anything.

02:06:38.000 Yeah.

02:06:39.000 And they're dancing, and I look at Chappelle, and he's got his kind of half-lidded, he's smoking red eyes, and he's watching.

02:06:45.000 And at one point, he just went into the middle of the crowd, Of people.

02:06:50.000 And he just started pushing them like this.

02:06:52.000 And he made a circle.

02:06:53.000 He just gently shoved people.

02:06:55.000 And he made them clear a circle.

02:06:58.000 And then there was a lot of kids around.

02:07:00.000 And there was this little black girl with this skinny girl. 0.99

02:07:04.000 And he just took her by the hand.

02:07:06.000 And put her in the middle of the circle. 0.99

02:07:08.000 And then he backed off.

02:07:09.000 And then she started dancing. 0.98

02:07:11.000 And everyone went wild.

02:07:13.000 And just watched her do this.

02:07:15.000 He saw this.

02:07:17.000 I watched him decide this.

02:07:19.000 I'm going to make this space. 0.79

02:07:20.000 I'm going to put this little black girl in it. 1.00

02:07:22.000 And then he just backed off and he just sort of was pleased at what he created.

02:07:28.000 It was an unbelievable moment.

02:07:30.000 He's the guy who taught me to listen to music before we go on stage.

02:07:34.000 He has a playlist that he plays, and he would always bring these big JBL boomboxes with him everywhere, and I started bringing one on the road with me too, because it sets a tone for the green room.

02:07:43.000 But when we were doing these shows at Stubbs, he was listening to this one Nina Simone track, and he would listen to it over and over.

02:07:51.000 What was it?

02:07:51.000 Do you know what the song was?

02:07:52.000 I wish I could fucking remember, but we were blasted. 0.98

02:07:55.000 We were out of our minds. 0.96

02:07:57.000 We're so fucking stoned and so drunk, but it was just to see him take in this art, to see him take in this Nina Simone song, and he had his eyes closed and he was smoking a cigarette, and he would go, hold on, this is one part right here, 0.94

02:08:14.000 this is one part, and he'd play it again, like, oh, man. 0.96

02:08:17.000 Yeah, he's a great appreciator of life.

02:08:20.000 He loves art, too.

02:08:22.000 He has a deep respect for people's creations, to the bone.

02:08:28.000 He really loves it.

02:08:29.000 He really loves doing it.

02:08:32.000 He really loves creating it, really loves listening to it.

02:08:37.000 He's doing it right.

02:08:38.000 He's doing it right.

02:08:39.000 And he's doing it in his own vibe.

02:08:41.000 He's got his own sort of space that he's created, his own vibration.

02:08:46.000 That's a hard thing to have right now.

02:08:48.000 Yeah.

02:08:49.000 Well, he's another one. 1.00

02:08:49.000 He doesn't listen to shit. 1.00

02:08:51.000 He's not reading social media. 1.00

02:08:52.000 He doesn't have anything on his phone.

02:08:53.000 He doesn't...

02:08:54.000 Nothing.

02:08:55.000 You know? 0.96

02:08:56.000 Which Donnell always thinks it's hilarious, because any time anything's fucked up, he has to grab Donnell's phone. 0.91

02:09:00.000 He's like, give me that. 0.99

02:09:01.000 What the fuck is going on? 0.99

02:09:02.000 That's what hanging out with Ari is like. 0.99

02:09:04.000 It's funny.

02:09:05.000 We just came from Mark Norman's bachelor party.

02:09:07.000 Like, literally, I just landed from it, and Ari and I put it together in Tampa.

02:09:11.000 And then Joe DeRosa, you know Joe, right?

02:09:14.000 Great comic.

02:09:14.000 He convinced everybody that he wasn't coming because he had to do pickups for a TV show and he even got a guy to text him saying, I'm the TV guy, whatever.

02:09:24.000 So he was sending screenshots of like, I can't come, whatever.

02:09:28.000 So then he was going to come down and surprise everybody.

02:09:31.000 He felt like I'm the only one that doesn't drink.

02:09:33.000 So he told me, I'm coming tomorrow.

02:09:36.000 To come do this thing, to surprise everybody.

02:09:39.000 And Ari doesn't use his phone. 0.96

02:09:40.000 He puts it, he's one of these guys, I lock my phone away, yada yada.

02:09:43.000 And so Joe's about to meet us and surprise us.

02:09:47.000 And so Joe's texting me, where do I meet you?

02:09:49.000 Go in the back, get a table, I'm going to come in with shots.

02:09:52.000 And we're texting back and forth.

02:09:53.000 We're here, we're getting there.

02:09:54.000 And Ari's doing the thing of like, let me use your phone. 0.99

02:09:56.000 Give me your phone.

02:09:57.000 And I'm like... 0.99

02:09:58.000 Just fucking get your phone, because DeRosa's texting me in real time, being like, okay, I'm coming. 0.99

02:10:04.000 So I'm like, I can't give you my phone. 1.00

02:10:06.000 And Ari's like, just let me use your fucking phone. 1.00

02:10:08.000 And I had to make it like, you pretentious fuck, get your own phone. 1.00

02:10:11.000 But it was all because I'm trying to hide this thing from him. 1.00

02:10:14.000 Anyways, DeRosa came and surprised everyone.

02:10:16.000 I was very excited.

02:10:16.000 God bless him.

02:10:17.000 Yeah, Ari recognizes he has a problem.

02:10:20.000 Yeah, you gotta restrain yourself when you know you have that.

02:10:23.000 He will just spend his entire day on his phone. 1.00

02:10:28.000 And he's just like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck this thing. 1.00

02:10:31.000 So he went to a flip phone. 1.00

02:10:33.000 It's an addiction.

02:10:34.000 It gets you off.

02:10:35.000 You think you're being upset, but you're getting your heart rate up and you want that.

02:10:39.000 You don't know you want it.

02:10:40.000 But it's like food addiction, though, because you do need it.

02:10:43.000 You do have to communicate, and occasionally you need maps, whatever, so it's one of those things.

02:10:47.000 It's like you can't just be totally abstinent from a phone because you've got to communicate somehow, and so it's all on there.

02:10:53.000 I mean, I try to flip phone, but it frustrates my kids that they don't, you know, and it's another number, and they just...

02:11:00.000 Yeah.

02:11:01.000 So I end up doing this thing, but I put a restriction code on it, and I don't have the ability to change this anymore.

02:11:06.000 Ah.

02:11:08.000 So...

02:11:08.000 Isn't that crazy you have to do that to yourself?

02:11:10.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

02:11:11.000 Well, I'm powerless over it.

02:11:13.000 I'm powerless. 0.96

02:11:14.000 If I'm feeling lonely, and even if I took off the YouTube app, I'll fucking reinstall it and watch something. 0.75

02:11:20.000 So now I can't do that. 0.71

02:11:22.000 And I feel a thousand times better.

02:11:24.000 I didn't used to have this problem at all.

02:11:27.000 I remember I hosted SNL once, and I did a whole monologue about child molesters.

02:11:33.000 And I knew it was challenging.

02:11:35.000 And SNL is almost like a Disney show now.

02:11:38.000 It's more for young kids.

02:11:39.000 But I didn't want to do a safe monologue because I got to be myself.

02:11:43.000 I don't want people to think I'm something I'm not because that's dangerous.

02:11:46.000 So if this monologue upsets people, it's going to...

02:11:51.000 But they hired me.

02:11:53.000 But anyway, after I did it, it went really well. 0.99

02:11:57.000 And after I did it, I guess there was shit. 0.99

02:11:59.000 I just didn't care. 0.98

02:12:00.000 And I ran into Michael Shea at a club and he said, are you okay?

02:12:04.000 And I was like, what?

02:12:07.000 And he said, you're getting killed out there.

02:12:08.000 And I was like, I'm not, nobody's touching me.

02:12:11.000 I'm not feeling it.

02:12:13.000 That was, you know, 2015 or something.

02:12:15.000 Right.

02:12:16.000 Things were different.

02:12:16.000 But that's the thing is like, if you want to be upset at people being upset at you, it's always available.

02:12:22.000 Yes, and also, as a comedian or a performer, if you need everybody to be okay, if you need to check with everybody, you're out of your mind.

02:12:30.000 You just need to live with the gap between who you are and what people think of you.

02:12:36.000 Just live with it.

02:12:37.000 Accept it.

02:12:37.000 It's good.

02:12:38.000 It's good to have a separation. 0.98

02:12:39.000 Well, not only that, you have enough shit out there that hopefully intelligent, objective people will form a more balanced opinion. 0.98

02:12:48.000 Right. 0.99

02:12:48.000 And the people that are fans of yours, they know what you do anyway. 0.99

02:12:52.000 That's right.

02:12:52.000 It's not going to affect them at all.

02:12:54.000 And we were talking about this last night, but one of the things that I got furious at was comics that were upset with you after your leaked recording got out.

02:13:02.000 And they were trying to say, like, oh, he's lost his heart. 0.99

02:13:06.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.97

02:13:09.000 This is exactly his material. 0.98

02:13:11.000 That's what I always did. 1.00

02:13:12.000 It's exactly the thing that people celebrated before, and now all of a sudden these fucking mediocre shitheads Are coming out and they're saying all these horrible things. 1.00

02:13:24.000 I'm like, you guys suck. 1.00

02:13:25.000 You're full of shit. 1.00

02:13:27.000 The only reason why you'd be doing this is because you're inadequate. 1.00

02:13:30.000 There's no one who's really good who's doing that.

02:13:32.000 They're telling something for themselves.

02:13:33.000 Yes.

02:13:34.000 If you're ever talking about somebody else, you're talking about you, you know, especially publicly.

02:13:39.000 Yes, often.

02:13:40.000 You're saying, here's what I think of that guy.

02:13:41.000 It's really something that you want to be heard saying.

02:13:43.000 Yes.

02:13:44.000 And it may be because you're afraid or because you're ambitious or whatever it is.

02:13:47.000 Right.

02:13:48.000 There's that.

02:13:49.000 Also, that stuff you've got to not take in, especially from colleagues who are competitive.

02:13:54.000 It is what it is.

02:13:55.000 Comedy is always like that.

02:13:57.000 Especially if you get really high up there where you're kind of beyond them. 0.52

02:14:00.000 If you get brought down to their level, they're going to punch you in the face.

02:14:03.000 It's just going to happen.

02:14:05.000 And hopefully you can survive it and get back to your own space.

02:14:08.000 But it just exposes them.

02:14:10.000 It really does.

02:14:11.000 And for other comics, they'll never trust that person again.

02:14:13.000 No.

02:14:14.000 You're always like, oh, I know who you are.

02:14:15.000 I know what's going on in your little mechanism.

02:14:17.000 You got a little demon living inside your head and you're trying to keep it in a cage and you just let it out.

02:14:22.000 Now I know who you are.

02:14:24.000 Yeah, and you don't need to engage it, is the way I feel.

02:14:27.000 I learned from watching Obama when he was running for president against McCain, I think it was.

02:14:33.000 I mean, I don't remember which election.

02:14:35.000 But he was debating.

02:14:36.000 And McCain really knew that Obama was going to win.

02:14:40.000 He used to just say it to people.

02:14:41.000 This guy's going to beat me.

02:14:42.000 I know it.

02:14:43.000 I liked McCain, too.

02:14:44.000 But during the debates, he would really kind of attack Obama and be really pugnacious.

02:14:50.000 And Obama would just say what he feels.

02:14:53.000 And McCain would go, yeah.

02:14:55.000 And Doe Palmer would just look at the camera and smile and go, eh. 0.97

02:14:58.000 That's a brilliant way to handle it.

02:15:00.000 It is, because he doesn't need to overcome McCain.

02:15:03.000 Right.

02:15:04.000 He doesn't need to make him feel worse or to convince him of anything.

02:15:08.000 There's other people watching, and he knows who he is.

02:15:12.000 So people watching go, that guy's having a hard time, McCain.

02:15:16.000 This guy seems like he knows what he's...

02:15:17.000 And also, I'm listening to what they're saying.

02:15:19.000 I've got my own mind, you know?

02:15:21.000 Yeah.

02:15:21.000 So you kind of count on people doing that.

02:15:25.000 Other folks are quietly watching and going, eh.

02:15:28.000 You don't need it to be expressed everywhere.

02:15:30.000 You don't need it to be said, you know?

02:15:32.000 I don't think anybody's ever handled it better than him.

02:15:34.000 Yeah.

02:15:35.000 Being president and being a statesman and really being an example of what we would hope a president would be in terms of the way he handles himself and communicates.

02:15:44.000 He's the best president ever.

02:15:46.000 Yeah, I love him.

02:15:47.000 He's the best ever.

02:15:48.000 Maybe he's... 0.99

02:15:50.000 I'm sure some of it's bullshit, but I'm enjoying it. 0.98

02:15:53.000 He's certainly connected to big money and all the other influences, but as far as being an example, that looks like the President of the United States of America. 0.98

02:16:04.000 That's what I like.

02:16:05.000 Yeah, and also there was the Bush machine of the two Bushes and the Cheney and the Rumsfeld.

02:16:12.000 There was that machine that just kind of took over.

02:16:14.000 And there was the Clinton machine.

02:16:16.000 There was Clinton and Bill and Hillary and all that.

02:16:19.000 There was this dominating feeling like we're all being kind of – there's these tenacious Machiavellian things going on, even if they were as good about all of them.

02:16:28.000 But Obama didn't leave, and Trump obviously, but Obama's just Obama.

02:16:33.000 Yeah.

02:16:34.000 Like there isn't, you know, he's got a deal in Netflix, okay.

02:16:36.000 But otherwise, there isn't like this Obama cabal out there.

02:16:41.000 Right.

02:16:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:41.000 And he was president for two terms.

02:16:43.000 Right. 0.99

02:16:43.000 And he didn't make a big network of fucking influence. 0.99

02:16:46.000 Right. 0.99

02:16:46.000 He just did his job that he was asked to do. 0.99

02:16:50.000 You know, and you can have opinions about how he did it, but he's different than those guys to me in that sense.

02:16:56.000 You know, he did a podcast for a little while.

02:16:58.000 He did a podcast with Bruce Springsteen.

02:17:00.000 It just wasn't good.

02:17:03.000 It just wasn't good.

02:17:04.000 Remind me of Caddyshack.

02:17:06.000 You're not good.

02:17:08.000 Well, it's not that he couldn't be good.

02:17:11.000 It's just that he's this...

02:17:13.000 He's bigger than everything.

02:17:16.000 You know, he's...

02:17:17.000 The greatest president ever. 1.00

02:17:19.000 When he goes and does a podcast, he can't just have a whiskey and talk shit. 1.00

02:17:23.000 No. 0.99

02:17:24.000 But if he did, it'd be fucking amazing. 0.97

02:17:27.000 You mean that he's restrained by... 0.97

02:17:28.000 Yes.

02:17:29.000 You'd think he's achieved escape velocity where he could express himself.

02:17:32.000 I mean, he's done two terms.

02:17:33.000 He can't be president again.

02:17:34.000 So you're free of that expectation.

02:17:37.000 Still a very young guy.

02:17:38.000 Yes.

02:17:38.000 And very aware of what's happening.

02:17:41.000 And he'll occasionally make a very socially astute point about things.

02:17:46.000 I remember he was talking about people once about how messy people are.

02:17:51.000 People say things they don't necessarily mean.

02:17:54.000 They talk about things.

02:17:55.000 People are very messy.

02:17:56.000 And the way he said that, I'm like, I've never heard a person like him say that.

02:18:00.000 And I wish he did more of that.

02:18:01.000 I wish someone could talk to him and get him to loosen up.

02:18:05.000 Like the Obama cursing podcast.

02:18:08.000 Yes!

02:18:08.000 Where he's smoking a cigarette, which I think he does quietly.

02:18:13.000 Yeah, I'd like to see that too.

02:18:15.000 I think he's capable of it.

02:18:16.000 I think he could have the best podcast ever.

02:18:18.000 I just don't know what restrains...

02:18:21.000 I mean, I guess the expectations, what he represents to people that love him.

02:18:27.000 It's like it's too much.

02:18:28.000 It's hard for those people to just be themselves.

02:18:30.000 And it's also...

02:18:32.000 Deal with all those years of being a politician and all those years of having speechwriters and every word is sort of calculated and every the tone is set in a very specific way and You can't just be a person a person with an opinion on things and just talk about stuff because I'm sure He's got a very You know,

02:18:54.000 highly educated, astute opinion on things.

02:18:57.000 We just don't really hear it the way you'd like.

02:18:59.000 Yeah, I like to see him be messy.

02:19:00.000 Yeah.

02:19:01.000 Because it is fun to watch people like Christopher Hitchens when he would talk.

02:19:06.000 Every other thing I'd be like, yeah, come on.

02:19:10.000 Like, dude.

02:19:11.000 But in the whole, everything that he says, I'm like, you get in this spirit.

02:19:16.000 You get to somebody's spirit when they just let out.

02:19:19.000 And Hitchens is a perfect example of that because he was drunk all the time. 0.99

02:19:22.000 He was constantly drinking and he would go and eviscerate these fucking people in debates with a whiskey in his hand and just talk shit while he was eloquently dissecting everything they believe. 0.99

02:19:35.000 Those were the days. 1.00

02:19:36.000 Oh my god, he was fucking amazing. 0.98

02:19:37.000 That guy, what a force he would be today. 0.97

02:19:40.000 What a needed voice if that guy was around today.

02:19:44.000 People say stuff like that all the time, like, what would Joan Rivers be like now?

02:19:48.000 And how would we do all this with Don Rickles around?

02:19:52.000 All that stuff.

02:19:53.000 But the fact is that why they're gone is why it's like this.

02:19:57.000 They had to wait for them to die to start being like this.

02:20:03.000 We're in an era.

02:20:05.000 It's a fascinating era.

02:20:07.000 Really fascinating.

02:20:08.000 Because no one really knows where this is going.

02:20:10.000 No.

02:20:11.000 And no one's ever experienced anything like this before.

02:20:14.000 Well, I don't know if they have...

02:20:15.000 There's some things that are very ancient about it, you know?

02:20:17.000 Like, people...

02:20:18.000 The purification, the idea of, like, we're going to get pure communism or, you know, Christianity from, you know, Satan. 0.55

02:20:27.000 The idea...

02:20:27.000 People are uncomfortable living in this place of, like, I'm not sure how I feel.

02:20:32.000 Yeah.

02:20:32.000 Which is the only honest place.

02:20:34.000 The only human place is, like, I just don't fucking know. 0.94

02:20:36.000 I'm confused. 0.93

02:20:37.000 And day to day, I change my mind, and that's painful.

02:20:40.000 Because I don't know where my feet should be.

02:20:42.000 That's hard to live.

02:20:43.000 Yeah.

02:20:44.000 And we kind of have these arcs, like a spaceship going up and then coming down.

02:20:48.000 There's little moments where society gets really trippy and fun when The Sopranos was on the air, when it's like, let's look at bad guys and have fun with it.

02:20:56.000 And it gets like that.

02:20:58.000 But then people get anxious and they get nervous about it and then you just have this horrible momentum of like you can be a good person.

02:21:07.000 You can be a good person.

02:21:08.000 You don't have to feel bad ever.

02:21:10.000 You can be a good person and you can know who's bad.

02:21:14.000 And once you get into that, folks just cling to it.

02:21:16.000 And it's natural.

02:21:17.000 I get it.

02:21:18.000 But it's not human nature.

02:21:20.000 It's not the only version of it.

02:21:22.000 Like with comedy.

02:21:24.000 Comedy has to be defended every few decades.

02:21:26.000 It has to go through this. 0.93

02:21:28.000 And people have to be reminded by losing it, I really liked when it was just fucking funny.

02:21:33.000 I just really liked that. 0.80

02:21:35.000 It's a curve.

02:21:36.000 It's a pendulum.

02:21:37.000 It's a lot of different shapes.

02:21:39.000 But I think it's happened a lot.

02:21:41.000 It's happened already.

02:21:42.000 And it'll happen again in a But in terms of, like, audience members, it seems like they like it more now.

02:21:48.000 Like, I think people have a sense that comedy is in a precarious position and that, you know, it almost went away because of the pandemic in terms of, like, live performances. 0.98

02:21:58.000 So when they're out now and, you know, like, a set like you did last night with a lot of fucking tricky shit. 0.99

02:22:04.000 Really tricky shit, yeah. 0.99

02:22:06.000 It was so fun for me to watch you navigate it. 0.99

02:22:09.000 And also to know that some of these bits are fairly new and you can see how you're fucking around with them. 0.65

02:22:14.000 But the people had this genuine smile. 0.82

02:22:19.000 I looked around during your set once.

02:22:21.000 I don't want to talk about what the subject matter was, but it was one of the bits that was really out there.

02:22:26.000 And these people had this smile on their face where there was like, yes!

02:22:31.000 Like, I love this!

02:22:32.000 It's an experience that's unlike anything else.

02:22:36.000 And it's just so important.

02:22:38.000 It's so important for people as a release.

02:22:40.000 It's a drug.

02:22:42.000 It balances out all the outrage and all the chaos in the world, even if it's just for 90 minutes.

02:22:49.000 Yeah, it's grounding.

02:22:50.000 Again, you go to where you're scared, and then you come back from it, and you go, it was okay, I'm okay.

02:22:55.000 Yeah.

02:22:55.000 And I think people like that.

02:22:57.000 And also just the basic belly laugh, just to move in your body that way.

02:23:02.000 I think this is like a glorious time for comedy, and I think all the stuff that we all hate, and we sit around at campfires and bars and talk about, did you see so-and-so said this about so-and-so?

02:23:12.000 It's all great for comedy. 0.98

02:23:14.000 It makes people, all the PC shit or whatever, it makes people hungry for this, and it makes it feel more punk rock, like we're going into the basement to hear some wild shit. 0.99

02:23:22.000 Yes. 0.99

02:23:23.000 And there's a bunch of guys selling out theaters all over the country, all over the world, that are killer.

02:23:28.000 I think this is one of the best times.

02:23:29.000 And we're in it, so it feels like this weird time.

02:23:32.000 But I think people will look back at this time and be like, that was a really great time for some people.

02:23:35.000 It's definitely great in terms of the amount of quality comedy out there Yeah, there's a lot of great comics out there and a lot of the guys coming up but it's a Shane Gillis is He's fucking fantastic so good But these guys that are coming up are playing off that and they know that this what they're doing is wild shit and the audience knows it and they're so excited and It's so fun to see.

02:23:59.000 I took Shane with me to Irvine.

02:24:02.000 Sometimes when someone's at a club, you don't get to see their whole set.

02:24:05.000 The way the Vulcan set up, it's difficult to watch the show without actually going in the audience and having people see you. 1.00

02:24:10.000 But in Irvine, I took him to the improv and I got to sit backstage and watch his set. 0.99

02:24:16.000 And I was fucking crying. 0.98

02:24:18.000 And I was so happy. 0.99

02:24:20.000 I was so happy. 0.98

02:24:21.000 I was like, God, it's so great to see someone just fucking going. 0.96

02:24:24.000 So when I went on stage after him, I was like, I had wiping tears out of my eyes laughing when I hugged him. 0.97

02:24:31.000 Because I was so happy and laughing so hard that I went on stage like I had been in the audience.

02:24:39.000 And it was just so freeing. 0.98

02:24:41.000 It was like, God damn, this is fun. 0.99

02:24:44.000 It's the best thing. 0.98

02:24:45.000 Last night, the second show, I was a little slower and quieter, and I was just enjoying these individual laughs.

02:24:51.000 That's the great thing about a club. 0.99

02:24:52.000 Like, I did some bit that was just so gross and so fucked up and wrong. 0.98

02:24:59.000 And there was this one woman sitting in the front row who was really well-dressed and well-put-together, and she had been sitting kind of... 0.99

02:25:05.000 And she just... 0.95

02:25:07.000 At this one bit she just went like a shriek and she was just trembling and I stopped and I just looked at her and we made eye contact and I just stood there and I watched her laugh like fuck everybody else and I just watched her whole laugh dwindle down and I was like alright. 0.94

02:25:22.000 It's the best. 0.99

02:25:23.000 The best fucking. 0.99

02:25:24.000 Feeling. 0.98

02:25:25.000 And I love comedy besides myself, so that's why I get so much joy out of watching somebody like Shane.

02:25:30.000 And Joe, who when I met him, was very rhythmic.

02:25:35.000 He had good jokes, but he'd set it up, and then he da-da-da.

02:25:38.000 Da-da-da, ba-da-da-da-da.

02:25:39.000 And I used to encourage him, like, talk like yourself more, which is every comic's trajectory.

02:25:44.000 They start with a form, then they start breaking it, just because they get frustrated.

02:25:49.000 Again, it's why the phone is killing you, because you should be so upset all the time.

02:25:54.000 You should be bored when you're not on stage, and every show should be frustrating.

02:25:59.000 And I watched Joe's frustration turn into really inventive.

02:26:02.000 He now has this tapestry of telling you stories, showing you really raw feelings, but then also because of where he started, he's got jokes. 0.99

02:26:11.000 He's got crystalline Boston comedian fucking jokes. 0.98

02:26:15.000 So he's one of my favorites. 0.99

02:26:17.000 Shane exposes a whole other part of himself that most people don't.

02:26:23.000 He's very giving with who he is on stage and where he comes from.

02:26:28.000 He's a red state guy playing to blue state audiences.

02:26:31.000 And he's like, please be patient.

02:26:34.000 I believe me.

02:26:36.000 And it's so fun to watch him Deal with that dance. 0.94

02:26:40.000 Every comic has their own, you know, Sam Murill, a guy who's just fucking sharp.

02:26:45.000 Everybody has their own skills.

02:26:46.000 It's like if you had a pitching staff and there's guys who are great long relievers, there's great closers, you know.

02:26:52.000 Sam Murill's like a closer.

02:26:54.000 He's like a ninth inning guy, it feels like, you know. 0.98

02:26:56.000 Growing up in Boston is one of the best environments to do stand-up in because you are forced to deal with audiences that have very little patience for bullshit. 0.77

02:27:06.000 I think we all, assuming about you as well, we all came up with doing VFWs and firehouses.

02:27:12.000 I see these comics that will kind of pontificate and have their hand on the thing and kind of take these long things.

02:27:19.000 Frigate!

02:27:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:27:20.000 It's not a fucking joke, you frig! 0.99

02:27:22.000 There was none of that. 0.99

02:27:23.000 I'm like, I did exclusively VFW, Knights of Columbus, firehouse cop shows for the first ten years I was doing comedy.

02:27:30.000 So it's that feeling of like, I gotta say something funny fast.

02:27:33.000 Quickly. 1.00

02:27:33.000 Or I'm fucked. 1.00

02:27:34.000 I also think in Boston, that's... 0.99

02:27:37.000 Maybe it's like this everywhere.

02:27:38.000 I don't know.

02:27:38.000 But when I grew up, funny and tough were the only two things that were valued.

02:27:43.000 You'd be like, he's going to hang with us.

02:27:44.000 He's a funny guy.

02:27:45.000 Or you'd be like, this guy's coming with us. 1.00

02:27:46.000 If shit goes down, he'll beat the shit out of them. 1.00

02:27:49.000 And it's like, that was it. 1.00

02:27:50.000 There was no other values that anyone cared about was being funny.

02:27:55.000 So you just had to be funny or tough.

02:27:57.000 There was scary one-nighters we used to do in Boston.

02:28:00.000 There was a place called Frank's in Franklin.

02:28:02.000 It was a Mexican restaurant, but he called it Frank's.

02:28:04.000 It was this Italian guy going, Frank's.

02:28:07.000 And it was just horrible.

02:28:09.000 It was the worst gig.

02:28:11.000 And Frank, the owner, would get really drunk.

02:28:13.000 And there was one night where some people were heckling.

02:28:16.000 And Frank went to his office and got a gun and went to the table that was heckling. 1.00

02:28:21.000 Everybody said, shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:28:24.000 And everybody in the place got up and left. 1.00

02:28:26.000 People ran for the door.

02:28:27.000 And he was like, what?

02:28:28.000 No, do this show.

02:28:29.000 It's okay. 1.00

02:28:31.000 That kind of shit was just normal, you know. 1.00

02:28:34.000 So, yeah, you had to fucking keep delivering. 1.00

02:28:36.000 Yeah, there's a certain... 0.98

02:28:38.000 Well, there's also a certain quality standard because there were so many headliners that were these Boston local headliners that were as good as any comic that's ever lived.

02:28:47.000 Incredible. 0.77

02:28:48.000 So, and I talk about them all, I've had a bunch on, I've had Sweeney on, and Gavin on, and Lenny Clark, and it's like, they were, when we were coming up, I would put those guys up against any fucking comic that ever lived.

02:29:01.000 They were so good, and they were so crisp, and they had an hour that they had been doing for a decade. 0.99

02:29:07.000 That fucking thing was like a razor blade. 1.00

02:29:10.000 Yes. 1.00

02:29:10.000 And now four decades. 1.00

02:29:12.000 That's right.

02:29:12.000 Still doing the same act, yes.

02:29:14.000 Some of them.

02:29:15.000 No, when I started, I started in 1985, and I was just, I loved stand-up comedy.

02:29:21.000 You were really young.

02:29:22.000 I was 18. Jesus Christ.

02:29:24.000 I was in high school, and I was washing the floor of the kitchen, because I had a date, and my mom said, if you wash the kitchen floor, I'll give you 10 bucks.

02:29:32.000 So it was 10 bucks to take a girl out. 1.00

02:29:34.000 And I was watching The Kitchen Floor and I had WBCN on, the radio station.

02:29:38.000 And they had a thing called 5 O'Clock Funnies.

02:29:40.000 And they'd play comedians.

02:29:42.000 And usually they were famous comedians, but once in a while they'd play local guys.

02:29:45.000 So they had on...

02:29:47.000 First of all, they had Stephen Wright on, who became my first, like, current favorite.

02:29:51.000 Like, I love the older guys, like Carlin and Cosby and Pryor. 0.98

02:29:54.000 But I was like, who the fuck is Stephen Wright? 0.97

02:29:56.000 He's like the best I've ever heard. 0.99

02:29:58.000 And then they had...

02:29:59.000 They put on Chance Langton.

02:30:01.000 Oh yes, I love Chance.

02:30:02.000 Yes, and he had an album.

02:30:03.000 He was very smart.

02:30:04.000 He made an album before those guys didn't do that.

02:30:06.000 But he made an album, so they played it on BCN. And they played it, and I was like, this guy's really fucking funny. 0.96

02:30:12.000 He's killing in the album. 0.97

02:30:14.000 Chance doesn't sound like anybody else.

02:30:16.000 He's just very unique.

02:30:17.000 So I was really into it.

02:30:19.000 And then afterwards, the host said...

02:30:23.000 There's, tonight is, on Sunday nights, open mic at Stitches Comedy.

02:30:27.000 I didn't know what a comedy club was.

02:30:28.000 It was like, a comedy club?

02:30:30.000 And there's one downtown.

02:30:31.000 You can just show up and sign up and get on.

02:30:34.000 And I thought, there'd be like three comedians there that work there every night in my head, and I'll be the new guy or something.

02:30:42.000 And then I get there... 0.65

02:30:44.000 Because I wanted to do it, and I see this Boston comedy scene, these fucking guys, Kevin Meany and Steve Sweeney and Lenny Clark, Kenny Rogerson, Jimmy Tingle, Barry Crimmins, Tony V, all these guys were just... 0.96

02:31:00.000 Phenomenally good and they're crushing and they're perfect. 0.96

02:31:03.000 Even like the second-tier guys like Mike Motto, this guy, and Rich Seisler. 0.97

02:31:08.000 These guys were so fucking good. 0.95

02:31:11.000 And that was the bar. 0.99

02:31:12.000 Mike Donovan, incredibly skilled comics destroying with crowds that are just lined up around the block.

02:31:19.000 And there was a lot of other comedians trying to do open mics.

02:31:22.000 It was competitive.

02:31:23.000 It was hard to get seen and noticed.

02:31:25.000 And I was just overwhelmed.

02:31:27.000 I couldn't believe what I discovered.

02:31:30.000 And I became obsessed with it.

02:31:32.000 It's all I cared about. 1.00

02:31:33.000 It's all I gave a shit about. 0.97

02:31:34.000 And so when you were 18, what was the first place you went up at? 0.99

02:31:37.000 At Stitches.

02:31:38.000 Yes, me too.

02:31:39.000 Yeah.

02:31:41.000 George McDonald was the host.

02:31:42.000 Yes, me too!

02:31:43.000 Well, no, for mine, it was Jonathan Katz.

02:31:46.000 But George was the regular host, and Jonathan was filling in that day.

02:31:49.000 Right.

02:31:49.000 But George had comedy hell.

02:31:51.000 He liked torturing comedians.

02:31:53.000 Yeah, that's what you call it.

02:31:54.000 Like, if you were bombing, sometimes he wouldn't let you offstage.

02:31:56.000 And he'd be on an offstage mic going, no, you gotta do another 20 minutes.

02:31:59.000 And the guy would be crying.

02:32:01.000 Yeah.

02:32:01.000 And people loved it.

02:32:02.000 But I went on and I did...

02:32:04.000 The three minutes, I couldn't even do five, and I bombed hard.

02:32:07.000 Like, it hurt bad.

02:32:09.000 It was the worst night, maybe, of my life.

02:32:11.000 I never felt that bad in my life.

02:32:14.000 And I knew I wasn't fine.

02:32:15.000 I got silence.

02:32:16.000 Total silence.

02:32:17.000 And then I worked at a video store in Newton at the time where I grew up.

02:32:21.000 Well, you grew up in Newton, too.

02:32:23.000 You're Newton South, I'm Newton North.

02:32:24.000 Yeah. 0.77

02:32:25.000 And Kevin Meany lived in Newton at the time, and he used to come in the video store and light up the store and just be fucking crazy and sing songs. 0.91

02:32:34.000 I don't care! 0.98

02:32:35.000 I don't care!

02:32:36.000 And I got to be friends with him.

02:32:38.000 I gave him movies that he would like, and he liked the movies I had suggested.

02:32:41.000 So anyway, I told him I did an open mic.

02:32:45.000 He said, come do my show.

02:32:46.000 It was Sweeney and Meanie.

02:32:48.000 They hosted together.

02:32:49.000 And so I went on there and I bombed.

02:32:51.000 And it was packed.

02:32:53.000 I bombed much worse.

02:32:54.000 So I decided I can't be a comic.

02:32:56.000 And I didn't do it again for another year.

02:32:58.000 Oh, wow.

02:32:59.000 But then I found this show that Ron Lynch was doing in a movie theater in Central Square.

02:33:05.000 And it was all weird, oddball comics.

02:33:08.000 Like Brian Frazier.

02:33:09.000 I don't know if you remember Brian Frazier.

02:33:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:33:10.000 I was good friends with Brian.

02:33:12.000 Yeah, me too.

02:33:12.000 We were good buddies.

02:33:13.000 I had to keep Brian from killing a club owner once.

02:33:17.000 Because Brian, at the time, Brian was so big.

02:33:20.000 He was a bodybuilder.

02:33:22.000 Yeah, he was a bodybuilder. 0.99

02:33:23.000 And he was fucking huge. 0.98

02:33:25.000 And I remember one time he went on stage with a golf shirt on, and he got off stage. 1.00

02:33:29.000 He's like, what the fuck is wrong with those people? 0.99

02:33:31.000 I go, listen, listen, you can't go on stage with that. 0.99

02:33:33.000 Yeah.

02:33:34.000 Your arms are too big.

02:33:35.000 You're too distracting. 0.97

02:33:36.000 You're terrifying.

02:33:37.000 You're so big. 0.90

02:33:38.000 That's right.

02:33:38.000 He was huge.

02:33:39.000 He had like giant biceps. 1.00

02:33:41.000 He was fucking jacked. 0.99

02:33:42.000 And he was on stage with his tight golf shirt. 1.00

02:33:44.000 What is this?

02:33:45.000 Why are people doing this? 1.00

02:33:47.000 It was really funny, but they were like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:33:49.000 Because he was just a specimen. 0.99

02:33:51.000 And so one time we did a gig together.

02:33:54.000 And Brian was Jewish, but he was blonde, and he had a flat top. 0.88

02:33:59.000 An 80s flat top.

02:34:00.000 Yeah, he looked like a marine or something like that.

02:34:02.000 He was this big jack guy.

02:34:03.000 And so we're in the room getting paid after the gig with the club owner, and Brian had a bit of a hoarse voice, because he was...

02:34:12.000 He used to shout on stage.

02:34:13.000 Yeah, but he had a little bit of a cold.

02:34:15.000 So he was apologizing.

02:34:17.000 Even though he killed, he was like, I'm sorry! 0.99

02:34:20.000 My voice was really fucked up. 0.91

02:34:22.000 I'm really sorry. 0.97

02:34:23.000 And the club owner goes, relax, relax.

02:34:25.000 What are you, Jewish?

02:34:27.000 Oh.

02:34:28.000 And he goes, I am Jewish! 1.00

02:34:30.000 And he's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

02:34:33.000 What are you fucking against? 1.00

02:34:33.000 And I am, and like, he's so much better. 1.00

02:34:36.000 I'm like, I can't, what am I going to do?

02:34:38.000 Am I going to hit him?

02:34:39.000 I'm like trying to figure out how am I going to save him from, like if he attacks this guy physically, I'm trying to figure out how do I navigate this? 0.96

02:34:46.000 Brian's my friend, and he's fucking huge, and I'm not strong enough to pull him off this guy. 0.69

02:34:50.000 I'm like, I'm not going to hit him. 0.98

02:34:51.000 I'm like, what am I going to do here?

02:34:53.000 And I was like legitimately thinking he was going to kill this guy. 0.93

02:34:55.000 I was like picturing him just Beating this guy to death, because he was so worked up. 1.00

02:35:00.000 And it was just the guy, like, just said some harmless, stupid thing, just trying to be funny. 1.00

02:35:06.000 He's like, what, are you, Jewish? 1.00

02:35:08.000 Like, because he was complaining about something.

02:35:09.000 He's like, yes, I am!

02:35:11.000 He had a temper.

02:35:12.000 It was bad.

02:35:13.000 But he was one of my first friends in comedy, because one great thing about Boston comedy was it was a vibrant...

02:35:20.000 Yes.

02:35:39.000 All came up to me and said, good stuff, you know, good job.

02:35:42.000 And Brian became my friend, started helping me.

02:35:44.000 And then Tony V came into that.

02:35:46.000 This was a weird one nightclub.

02:35:48.000 He came in and saw me and he said, you're pretty funny.

02:35:50.000 Do you work these other clubs?

02:35:52.000 I said, I don't.

02:35:52.000 And he said, come with me.

02:35:53.000 And he just put me in his car, took me to the Comedy Connection.

02:35:56.000 And just told the host, put him on Next.

02:35:58.000 And next thing I know, I'm working at the Comedy Connection.

02:36:00.000 And I had help from guys all along in Boston.

02:36:03.000 It was a very welcoming and nice community.

02:36:06.000 And they didn't have this competitive thing.

02:36:09.000 They were competitive, but they welcomed new people.

02:36:12.000 And they were encouraging, and they'd tell you what jokes.

02:36:15.000 We talked more about each other's jokes back then, I think.

02:36:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:36:19.000 That's what when I moved to New York and then years later when Joe showed up, he was, to me, that's a boss.

02:36:23.000 I have a responsibility.

02:36:23.000 I got paid that back.

02:36:24.000 I was like, I have a responsibility to watch this kid and see what he has and foster him because he came from the same place.

02:36:30.000 Yes.

02:36:30.000 Yeah, I always felt like that too.

02:36:31.000 And there was, Mike Donovan gave me great advice once and Mike Donovan was another guy that was one of the fucking best ever. 0.89

02:36:37.000 Yeah.

02:36:37.000 But he would record all of his sets.

02:36:39.000 He said you should always record your sets because you never know.

02:36:42.000 He would bring a little tape recorder.

02:36:44.000 This was back when it was kind of big.

02:36:45.000 It was a clunky-ass tape recorder you'd bring on stage with him.

02:36:47.000 But he was like, you've got to record your set because you never know when you might say this one thing.

02:36:51.000 And that one thing, you'll forget it because you're in the moment.

02:36:54.000 But that one thing could be a whole other bit.

02:36:56.000 And the only way is you've got to listen to it.

02:36:58.000 That's funny, even in the 2000s when I was starting, he'd had the same tape recorder, big gray tape recorder, and he'd have it on his headphones, and he'd be pacing in the back listening to it.

02:37:06.000 I think like 30% of our dialogue is just doing Mike Donovan bits to each other.

02:37:10.000 We just do them to each other back and forth.

02:37:11.000 Remember when he did Johnny Most?

02:37:13.000 Johnny Most, who was a Red Sox fan.

02:37:15.000 Basketball.

02:37:17.000 Celtics commentator and he was a legend in Boston, but he would do this like long after Johnny most was dead.

02:37:23.000 Yes people loved it.

02:37:25.000 People loved it. 1.00

02:37:27.000 It would fucking kill. 0.99

02:37:28.000 No Donovan was one of the best ever. 0.99

02:37:30.000 The only time those guys get competitive is when someone left Boston and did well. 1.00

02:37:34.000 Yeah, then fuck you. 1.00

02:37:35.000 Yeah, they did not like that. 1.00

02:37:36.000 He's a fucking middle act. 0.99

02:37:38.000 Like, they would get upset that guys would get on, like, television and do things. 0.99

02:37:42.000 Stephen Wright, who I became friends with, like, I have a, like, he was a big part of my life, because I worshipped him, and he already had become a Tonight Show guy and a big star, but he had come from Boston.

02:37:53.000 And I was on one night at the Comedy Connection.

02:37:56.000 It was like 17 people.

02:37:58.000 And I had a rough set.

02:37:59.000 It felt bad.

02:38:00.000 And it was one of those early rough sets where you're like, maybe I don't do this anymore.

02:38:03.000 And I was sitting in a chair in the audience afterwards just feeling bad.

02:38:06.000 And I had the tap on my shoulder. 1.00

02:38:07.000 And it was fucking him. 1.00

02:38:08.000 He just dropped in. 1.00

02:38:09.000 And he just said, you're very funny.

02:38:11.000 And it made my life.

02:38:13.000 Wow.

02:38:13.000 And then we became friends later.

02:38:15.000 We're good friends now.

02:38:16.000 And he told me this story, that the first time he went on stage was at the Ding Ho, which was a storied club, a Chinese restaurant.

02:38:22.000 Yeah.

02:38:23.000 That started comedy in Boston.

02:38:24.000 So he went there, he had five minutes of jokes, and he went on stage and he said half the jokes got laughs and half bombed.

02:38:33.000 So he decided, I can't do comedy.

02:38:36.000 In his head it was like, that means I'm bad.

02:38:39.000 Because for half the set I got silence.

02:38:41.000 So he was leaving and Mike McDonald stopped him, another veteran guy.

02:38:48.000 He said, hey, good job.

02:38:49.000 When are you coming back?

02:38:51.000 And Stephen goes, that was it.

02:38:52.000 I'm done.

02:38:53.000 He goes, what are you talking about?

02:38:54.000 And Stephen said, half the jokes didn't work.

02:38:56.000 He goes, so you replace those with other jokes.

02:38:58.000 You start, you have two and a half minutes of good stuff.

02:39:01.000 You're off to a great start.

02:39:03.000 Replace the ones that didn't work one at a time.

02:39:05.000 Just keep trying.

02:39:07.000 And he said to me he wouldn't have kept trying.

02:39:10.000 If this guy hadn't stopped him at the door and given some encouragement.

02:39:13.000 Those encouraging moments that you get from a person who's like a legitimate comic are priceless.

02:39:18.000 They're so important.

02:39:20.000 Ironically enough, Marc Maron did that to me.

02:39:22.000 When I first started doing comedy, like I was only like an open miker and he was a professional.

02:39:27.000 He said something to me and he's like, that was really funny, really good.

02:39:30.000 You can bet he meant it then.

02:39:32.000 Yes, like the only time, probably ever.

02:39:34.000 He wouldn't have said it otherwise.

02:39:35.000 But it's just those moments like...

02:39:38.000 And so I'm very generous with that.

02:39:42.000 I make sure that I go way out of my way when I see someone funny to encourage them and say, you've already got the hardest part down.

02:39:47.000 You're really funny.

02:39:48.000 Just keep doing it.

02:39:49.000 Yeah, when I tell young comics a lot, if they have one good joke, I'm like, that means your whole act could be good.

02:39:55.000 You wrote that joke, so you could do it now.

02:39:58.000 Yeah, it's just the process.

02:39:59.000 And the process is odd and it's different for everybody.

02:40:02.000 But, you know, the beautiful thing about Boston was it was all about that.

02:40:07.000 It was not about formulating an act that you think is going to sell as a sitcom.

02:40:11.000 No, and me and Mark started around the same time where he had come from L.A. where he'd had a crazy time at the store.

02:40:17.000 But he was one of my, me, him, David Cross, Nick DiPaolo, we were these guys that banged around with each other and just tried to figure it out.

02:40:28.000 And we were all vulnerable.

02:40:31.000 I used to love watching Mark struggle, and I used to love watching him get better, a little better, because he had to really figure out what his voice was that people would want, you know?

02:40:40.000 And still, he would sometimes just eat it, and it was fun to watch him eat it, you know? 0.97

02:40:45.000 And Nick was an odd fit, because I think he was always, you know, he was a fucking football player, you know? 0.95

02:40:51.000 And a real working class guy, and, you know, we're nothing like Nick, but he was so fucking good. 0.90

02:40:58.000 He's like a poet, Nick.

02:40:59.000 Yeah.

02:41:00.000 The choices he makes of words and how he writes things.

02:41:03.000 Very, very underrated.

02:41:05.000 He's one of the best.

02:41:06.000 And he's got, you know, look, in Fourth of July, our movie that's on lewisck.com.

02:41:11.000 It's available now.

02:41:12.000 It is available now.

02:41:14.000 A great thing about that movie to me was that we got Nick back in our life.

02:41:17.000 Because Joe, for me, Nick was like a brother.

02:41:19.000 I lived with him.

02:41:20.000 And for Joe, he was like an uncle.

02:41:23.000 And...

02:41:25.000 In all these crazy years, you drift apart from friends because of politics. 1.00

02:41:30.000 It's such a fucking stupid thing. 1.00

02:41:32.000 Somebody you love and know, you start being told by other voices, that's not your friend now. 1.00

02:41:38.000 And we were all pushed apart from each other.

02:41:40.000 Him from us, us from him.

02:41:43.000 And we brought him to the set for this movie, and there was people on the set that were like, maybe they won't like Nick very much, this particular person.

02:41:50.000 Everybody loved Nick, because they're not used to guys like him, because we're all so separated. 0.98

02:41:55.000 If you go to the person you really like, I am sure that's the enemy, that's the other side, and you hang out with him, you go, I fucking love this guy, because he's so, he'll say shit that nobody else says to me. 0.98

02:42:05.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:42:06.000 And Nick is also a guy bursting with love.

02:42:08.000 He's also insecure and a little nutty like everybody else.

02:42:10.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:42:11.000 But he came to the movie and he just fucking delivered and delivered and had great ad-libs when we needed him. 0.96

02:42:17.000 Perfect timing and really played that guy. 0.98

02:42:20.000 He played my brother on news radio.

02:42:22.000 I didn't know that.

02:42:23.000 Yeah, him and Brian Callen and Epstein from Welcome Back, Cotter.

02:42:27.000 Oh my god, Epstein. 0.74

02:42:28.000 Yeah, there was an episode where my brothers all came to visit and we all beat the shit out of each other. 0.91

02:42:34.000 That was the whole episode. 0.92

02:42:35.000 I got thrown through a plate glass window.

02:42:37.000 It was like candy glass.

02:42:39.000 So I think it was Nick or Brian Callen threw me through a window.

02:42:43.000 So it's Dave Foley's office.

02:42:45.000 So Dave's in his office talking and I come shattering through the window and fall onto a couch. 0.98

02:42:50.000 It was fucking great. 1.00

02:42:52.000 But it was a typical Nick DiPaolo moment because Nick is always like, fuck Damn, everybody fucking hates me. 0.99

02:42:57.000 And so I talked to the casting agent, or to the producer, rather, and I said, hey, you know, I know these guys are going to play my brother. 0.99

02:43:07.000 I know you got Epstein from Welcome Back, Colorado.

02:43:09.000 I go, but I got these two other guys that are good friends of mine that are really funny comics, and they could easily be my brother.

02:43:14.000 Two Italian guys, let's bring them in. 1.00

02:43:15.000 And he goes, well, yeah, fuck yeah, let's bring him in. 0.98

02:43:18.000 So Nick comes in, does the audition, kills it, and the producer says, great, he'll be your brother, and Brian Callen killed it, and he'll be your brother, perfect. 0.98

02:43:26.000 But then the casting director, it was this woman who had these actors who she was friends with, that she would get on parts. 0.99

02:43:37.000 And so Nick calls me up and he goes, I didn't get the fucking part! 0.99

02:43:41.000 And I go, what do you mean you didn't get the part? 0.99

02:43:42.000 You got the part.

02:43:43.000 I just talked to the producer. 1.00

02:43:44.000 He goes, no, the fucking casting lady called me up. 1.00

02:43:46.000 Fucking, they're always fucking me over. 1.00

02:43:48.000 So I go, what? 1.00

02:43:49.000 No, hold on a second.

02:43:50.000 Let me make a phone call.

02:43:51.000 So I call up the producer.

02:43:52.000 He goes, no, it's supposed to be Nick.

02:43:54.000 And so I call up the casting lady. 0.99

02:43:56.000 I go, what's going on?

02:43:57.000 She goes, well, you know, I'd already promised it to this guy.

02:44:00.000 I go, well, that's too bad because we already got Nick.

02:44:03.000 Like, Nick's going to be it.

02:44:03.000 What do you want me to say?

02:44:04.000 I go, tell the other guy it's not your place.

02:44:07.000 The producer and me.

02:44:08.000 This is my friend.

02:44:09.000 He's gonna play my brother.

02:44:11.000 And so Nick came in and he was like, really? 0.98

02:44:14.000 Is this really fucking happening? 0.96

02:44:15.000 I'm like, it's really happening. 0.99

02:44:17.000 And he was like, oh, okay.

02:44:19.000 He was convinced. 0.99

02:44:20.000 He was getting fucked again. 1.00

02:44:21.000 I'm getting fucked again. 1.00

02:44:23.000 And I called him on the phone. 1.00

02:44:24.000 He's like, ah, fuck these fucking people. 1.00

02:44:26.000 And I was like, no, no, no, Nick, you got it. 1.00

02:44:28.000 Yeah, there's Epstein from Welcome Back, Cotter.

02:44:30.000 All this is the scene.

02:44:33.000 And Epstein was a priest.

02:44:34.000 He chased us with a baseball bat.

02:44:37.000 Look at Nick.

02:44:39.000 That's amazing.

02:44:41.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:44:41.000 It was fucking fun. 0.97

02:44:43.000 Wow. 1.00

02:44:44.000 It was really fun.

02:44:45.000 Wow.

02:44:46.000 It was fun. 0.99

02:44:47.000 That's fucking great. 0.98

02:44:48.000 Nick was the first guy that I ever saw on stage that made me comfortable, because I always felt odd for a comedian. 0.99

02:44:54.000 You know, it came from kickboxing.

02:44:55.000 And then all of a sudden, I'm a comedian.

02:44:58.000 And I always felt like, but I saw that guy, and he was killing. 0.98

02:45:01.000 And I was like, look at that big fucking handsome football player looking guy. 0.98

02:45:04.000 If he could do it, I could do it too. 0.99

02:45:06.000 That's right.

02:45:07.000 It's not really about a type.

02:45:09.000 I always thought it was a type.

02:45:11.000 The first time I went on stage, I tried to dress up like an evening at the improv guy.

02:45:16.000 I had a suit jacket on.

02:45:18.000 I remember that.

02:45:19.000 A wacky t-shirt.

02:45:20.000 I had a t-shirt with a funny face on it or something like that.

02:45:23.000 And I had the sleeves rolled up because I thought that's how you had to do it.

02:45:26.000 Yeah, you had the jacket with the sleeves rolled up about halfway through the forearm.

02:45:29.000 Yes, yes. 0.99

02:45:30.000 Very fucking 80s. 1.00

02:45:31.000 Disgusting. 1.00

02:45:32.000 I did that too. 0.98

02:45:34.000 I felt like there was a thing that you had to do.

02:45:38.000 I didn't think I could even do comedy.

02:45:40.000 I always loved comedy.

02:45:42.000 But I didn't think that was my sense of humor.

02:45:44.000 I didn't think that that would fit for me.

02:45:46.000 I was always just a fan.

02:45:48.000 And then I saw Kinnison.

02:45:49.000 And the first time I saw Kinnison, I was like...

02:45:52.000 Oh, that's comedy, too!

02:45:54.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:45:55.000 I was like, okay.

02:45:56.000 Okay, comedy's crazy.

02:45:57.000 Because I saw Seinfeld, and I saw Richard Pryor, and I was like, wow, I could never do that.

02:46:03.000 God, these guys are amazing.

02:46:04.000 The easy motor mouth kind of thing.

02:46:07.000 Yeah, I had the same feeling when I saw Steve Martin was the first one that made me think, maybe I could do this. 1.00

02:46:13.000 Because he just fucking, he didn't give a shit. 0.99

02:46:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:46:15.000 He was not being a comedian. 1.00

02:46:16.000 Right, right. 0.74

02:46:17.000 He was just, his early albums, which are so fucking good, He's just talking and weird and off and you hear the crowd laughing and that great laugh that's like, what is he doing? 0.60

02:46:28.000 Yeah. 0.52

02:46:28.000 It's so much more satisfying than a... 0.52

02:46:30.000 I mean, it's another kind of laugh.

02:46:31.000 Yes. 0.99

02:46:32.000 You got the Nick DiPaolo fucking just fastballs. 1.00

02:46:35.000 Bang! 1.00

02:46:36.000 Bang! 1.00

02:46:36.000 And yet he doesn't look like he should be up there. 1.00

02:46:38.000 He doesn't look like a comedian and it works for him.

02:46:41.000 Yes.

02:46:41.000 And he just was angry.

02:46:43.000 He would be killing and he would find someone who wasn't laughing.

02:46:46.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:46:46.000 What the fuck's your problem? 1.00

02:46:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:46:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:46:49.000 Now, I've seen Nick snap because someone was going, this guy's so funny. 0.99

02:46:53.000 And he's like, shut up! 1.00

02:46:55.000 Shut the fuck! 1.00

02:46:56.000 And after, I'm like, I think she was saying how funny. 1.00

02:46:58.000 He goes, it doesn't matter.

02:46:59.000 It doesn't matter.

02:47:00.000 She shouldn't be talking.

02:47:01.000 Yeah.

02:47:01.000 All right.

02:47:02.000 Now, when we were doing our first table read sort of for the movie was on Zoom, and he was perfect.

02:47:10.000 Everyone was finding their thing, but he was perfect.

02:47:13.000 And I wrote him a text after, and I said, just everything you did was over the wall.

02:47:19.000 Just everything. 0.98

02:47:20.000 And he wrote back, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? 0.99

02:47:23.000 I'm like, Nick, I'm giving you a fucking... 0.99

02:47:25.000 Home runs, it's home runs. 1.00

02:47:27.000 All right, all right. 1.00

02:47:29.000 I thought you were giving me some shit. 0.99

02:47:31.000 No, I'm not fucking. 0.99

02:47:32.000 You did a good job. 0.77

02:47:33.000 When I was first coming up, Nick did a gig, and I wasn't there, but I had heard about it, where he did a gig at a dance club, and it was one of those places where they stopped the music and then started the show. 0.94

02:47:43.000 It was fucking hell. 0.96

02:47:44.000 And you're not on a stage, you're on the dance floor at the same level as everyone else. 1.00

02:47:47.000 And some guy said something to him, and he beat the fuck out of the guy. 0.98

02:47:53.000 I remember hearing about it, like, Nick beat the shit out of some guy at a comedy club, and I'm like, oh my god, that's part of comedy? 0.97

02:47:59.000 Oh jeez, now I gotta be careful, worried about fighting when you go to comedy shows? 0.84

02:48:03.000 Well, there was one night at Nick's, I remember, he went on and he destroyed, and he was new at it.

02:48:08.000 And I think it was Dana Gould, who's very funny, very inventive, great comic.

02:48:13.000 Great comic.

02:48:13.000 And he went on after Nick, and he's doing stuff about being anxious and, you know, weird life, and he's bombing.

02:48:21.000 But he was an elder statesman at the time.

02:48:23.000 Dana was well-respected.

02:48:24.000 Nick was nobody.

02:48:26.000 But Nick doesn't see the hierarchy. 0.99

02:48:28.000 He's bigger than Dana Gould by like 60 fucking pounds or whatever. 1.00

02:48:32.000 So Dana says on stage, oh, you laugh at the dumb Italian guy with the dirty jokes, the dumb guy, so you're not here for me, I guess. 1.00

02:48:40.000 And Nick was like, fucking... 1.00

02:48:42.000 I mean, it took everyone to hold him back. 0.99

02:48:44.000 But it was kind of great, because Dana was, like, terrified.

02:48:47.000 He's like, what?

02:48:48.000 He's like, yeah, Dana, you can't say, the guy's bigger than you.

02:48:51.000 Like, live in the real world. 0.98

02:48:52.000 Also, he's fucking funny. 0.99

02:48:54.000 Like, don't pretend that... 0.99

02:48:55.000 Yes, that's right.

02:48:56.000 And Nick is, no, he is... 1.00

02:48:57.000 You're not bombing because he's a big, dumb guy. 1.00

02:48:59.000 No, no. 1.00

02:48:59.000 You're bombing because he fucking killed. 1.00

02:49:01.000 No, and I'll respect Dana. 0.99

02:49:02.000 He's still very funny, and I love him.

02:49:03.000 He's a great, great comic.

02:49:04.000 But that's, you know, 1989. Yeah.

02:49:07.000 Everyone's confused.

02:49:08.000 That's right.

02:49:09.000 Yeah, it was just...

02:49:09.000 The year of confusion.

02:49:11.000 And it was also this weird time where people were sort of, like, trying to figure out, like, in Boston, you were told you had to be clean.

02:49:18.000 There was this weird thing, because everybody was trying to do, like, France Alameda has a fantastic documentary called When Stand Up Stood Out, and it's all about...

02:49:27.000 It's about the ding-ho days and all that stuff, yeah.

02:49:29.000 It's all about that... 0.65

02:49:30.000 This emergence of this like very isolated group of fantastic comedians that were doing coke and getting in bar fights and getting arrested I mean those guys were fucking animals and they were all these big guys like big like Lenny Clark on the streets to be fucking tough guys who were really funny and it was That and then The Tonight Show, 0.91

02:49:54.000 right? 0.93

02:49:54.000 And then with The Tonight Show, guys like Stephen Wright and all these other people took off and had careers. 0.93

02:50:01.000 So there was this path that was carved for us.

02:50:05.000 It's like, you have to be clean.

02:50:06.000 You have to work clean. 0.99

02:50:07.000 And I remember thinking, I'm fucked, because I don't think that's funny. 0.98

02:50:10.000 I do think it's funny, but it's not my sense of humor. 0.99

02:50:13.000 I don't know what I'm going to do.

02:50:14.000 And I remember, like, people would be upset. 0.99

02:50:16.000 Like, if you would kill, they would go on after, I broke the fuck meter. 1.00

02:50:20.000 Right. 1.00

02:50:20.000 That was the thing that in Boston, they had the fuck meter. 1.00

02:50:23.000 Like, don't say, like, they would tell you, don't say fuck before I go on stage. 1.00

02:50:27.000 You'd be like, what? 1.00

02:50:28.000 I can't say fuck, because then you take away all the fucks from me. 1.00

02:50:32.000 I'm like, what? 1.00

02:50:32.000 It's so funny how similar it was 15 years later. 1.00

02:50:36.000 Who was your contemporaries you started with in Boston?

02:50:40.000 I don't know if there's guys that anyone knows, really.

02:50:43.000 Tom Dustin, Alvin David, Mike Whitman, they're kind of still there.

02:50:47.000 Was Patrice there?

02:50:48.000 That's still in Boston.

02:50:49.000 Atrice was gone.

02:50:50.000 Bobby was gone.

02:50:50.000 Dane was gone.

02:50:51.000 I started in 2000, but all those guys were there.

02:50:54.000 It's still all the same.

02:50:55.000 We all have the exact same starting out stories, but I started 15 years after you guys.

02:51:00.000 It's so funny.

02:51:01.000 It's like a lot of the same rooms, the same guys.

02:51:02.000 Donovan, Tony V. And then I met Nick in Boston, but opening for him at the Comedy Connection.

02:51:07.000 I went on the road with him for years, and it was the same thing.

02:51:10.000 We had all the same stories.

02:51:12.000 It's...

02:51:12.000 Really fascinating.

02:51:14.000 Yeah, how that place stayed the same long enough to foster.

02:51:17.000 I mean, those guys sort of created all the comics that came from there.

02:51:22.000 Sure.

02:51:22.000 Burr, Patrice, everyone.

02:51:23.000 Yes, Patrice, who to me is one of the greatest of all time.

02:51:27.000 Sure.

02:51:27.000 Patrice is by far, he owns a part of comedy that nobody else can touch.

02:51:32.000 Yes. 0.98

02:51:32.000 There's other people that have categories where they're number one or two in the bench, but he's the only fucking guy who ever did that. 0.98

02:51:39.000 And he was just about to get even better, and he was already just... 0.91

02:51:42.000 I mean, he would now be just everything.

02:51:45.000 Oh my God, he would be...

02:51:46.000 If Patrice had a podcast, he'd be the greatest podcast ever.

02:51:49.000 Yes.

02:51:50.000 Ever.

02:51:51.000 He would have been the king.

02:51:53.000 He's missed.

02:51:54.000 But those guys were...

02:51:55.000 Those guys, Lenny, Gavin...

02:51:57.000 Even crazy guys like Teddy Bergeron, all these guys were just so good and they had this godfather.

02:52:04.000 They're like a big giant multi-headed godfather.

02:52:08.000 And Dane and Robert came up after we did and Joe and Nick came up under those guys, learned from those guys, looked up to Lenny Clark was his idol.

02:52:20.000 There's nobody more important in the world to Nick than Lenny Clark.

02:52:24.000 And Lenny's still there.

02:52:25.000 Not everybody's meant to be a TV star in this thing.

02:52:30.000 But the way they've looked after that local scene, like a folk scene, it's like if Dylan and Joni Mitchell and all those people stayed in the clubs in the village and just kept being an example.

02:52:42.000 They're like teachers.

02:52:43.000 Yeah.

02:52:44.000 That's really rare.

02:52:45.000 It's a rare thing.

02:52:46.000 We're really lucky to have that.

02:52:47.000 It's a rare thing.

02:52:49.000 That place celebrates comedy.

02:52:52.000 Boston comedy is very important to people that live in Boston.

02:52:56.000 And when comics succeed and they come back to Boston, it's a very special thing.

02:53:01.000 It feels amazing.

02:53:02.000 I did The Garden.

02:53:03.000 When I did The Garden, I was like, I was gonna cry. 1.00

02:53:06.000 Before I got on stage, I was like, fuck, this is nuts. 0.98

02:53:09.000 Yeah, for me it was the Orpheum, because that's where I used to go to see concerts. 0.99

02:53:13.000 Yeah.

02:53:14.000 And when I played the Orpheum last year, it was the last show I did of the tour.

02:53:17.000 It was very emotional.

02:53:19.000 Yeah, it's a special place.

02:53:22.000 And it's one of the most important places for the development of comedy.

02:53:25.000 You think of all the great comics that have come from there.

02:53:27.000 Jay Leno.

02:53:28.000 Like, people forget how good Jay Leno was. 0.98

02:53:30.000 Jay Leno, when he was just a stand-up before he hosted The Tonight Show, was one of the best fucking comics alive. 0.98

02:53:35.000 Ever. 0.97

02:53:35.000 One of the best ever. 0.97

02:53:36.000 I love Jay. 1.00

02:53:38.000 Jay's fucking... 0.99

02:53:38.000 I remember when I was working on Conan as a writer, and Jay came to do a panel, you know, to be interviewed on Conan. 0.99

02:53:46.000 It was like a favorite, you know, because he was the bigger guy.

02:53:48.000 It was early in Conan's tenure.

02:53:50.000 But he sat and did bits like he used to on Letterman.

02:53:53.000 Like he didn't talk about The Tonight Show, he just did bits.

02:53:57.000 And one of them was, he said, I was at the hotel today.

02:54:00.000 And he goes, I went to CVS to buy something.

02:54:04.000 And I paid.

02:54:05.000 And the woman didn't even look at me. 0.98

02:54:07.000 She just gave me my change.

02:54:08.000 And I go, that's it?

02:54:10.000 No, thank you.

02:54:11.000 No, have a nice day.

02:54:12.000 She says, it's on the receipt.

02:54:14.000 Ha! 0.99

02:54:15.000 That's a fucking great bit. 1.00

02:54:16.000 That is a great bit. 0.99

02:54:18.000 Still, I loved him so much.

02:54:21.000 And on The Tonight Show, some people hated him.

02:54:25.000 It's easy to make fun of him.

02:54:27.000 But he gave me the lead spot on The Tonight Show way before anybody else did.

02:54:33.000 Way before any other.

02:54:34.000 I was doing Letterman.

02:54:35.000 I was doing Conan.

02:54:36.000 But I was always like two or three.

02:54:38.000 And Leno, I was booked to be the second guest, but they told me, Jay said he wants you promoted.

02:54:44.000 He wants you to be first and do two segments. 0.99

02:54:46.000 Like fucking Burt Reynolds. 0.99

02:54:47.000 That's amazing. 1.00

02:54:48.000 And I was like, what?

02:54:49.000 And he liked our rapport.

02:54:51.000 I think I also brought out some funny in him.

02:54:53.000 Yeah.

02:54:54.000 But that was a huge thing that he did for me.

02:54:56.000 And to this day, like, every time, throughout my career, once I knew Jay, every time something good would happen, if I won an Emmy, hosted SNL, or did something that people heard about, I knew I'd get a call from Jay.

02:55:08.000 And he just leaves a voicemail.

02:55:10.000 I don't know how to reach him.

02:55:10.000 I don't have his number.

02:55:11.000 He just leaves a voicemail and says, Hey, I saw you did this.

02:55:14.000 No, this is just a good job.

02:55:15.000 I'm really happy for you.

02:55:16.000 And he has nothing he wants from me.

02:55:18.000 Right.

02:55:18.000 But he always called me.

02:55:19.000 And then when I had my bad time, I thought, I'm not going to hear from Jay again.

02:55:23.000 And he called me.

02:55:25.000 And he left the same message that said, hey man, I hope you're doing okay.

02:55:29.000 Everybody loves you.

02:55:30.000 You're okay.

02:55:30.000 He's never not been there.

02:55:32.000 He's a real mensch. 0.97

02:55:33.000 He's a really great guy. 0.99

02:55:35.000 I just think it's important to say because he's caught a lot of shit from comedians. 0.99

02:55:38.000 He's caught a lot of shit for no reason. 0.99

02:55:39.000 I mean, I get he was hosting The Tonight Show and it's a different sort of thing and the monologue was very homogenized. 0.99

02:55:46.000 But if you hang out with him, like he did my podcast and he told a story about doing stand-up For a bunch of mob guys.

02:55:55.000 And this mob guy, he tells a story about this mob guy yelling at a preacher. 0.99

02:56:00.000 Because the priest said something and he was like, motherfucker, didn't we give you enough money? 0.99

02:56:05.000 And he's screaming and swearing as this mob guy. 1.00

02:56:09.000 And I'm like, this is fucking incredible. 0.97

02:56:12.000 I remember while he was telling the story, I was like, this is amazing. 0.96

02:56:15.000 Because you get to see the real Jay Leno.

02:56:17.000 That's right.

02:56:18.000 No, he's a viciously funny guy.

02:56:19.000 But I understood the Tonight Show strategy when I watched him in an interview once.

02:56:23.000 And he said, my goal is to come up with jokes that have the broadest possible appeal.

02:56:27.000 Like, that's just how he thinks about that job.

02:56:29.000 Yeah.

02:56:30.000 Jokes that every single person can like on some level.

02:56:33.000 And obviously those are watered-down, easy jokes, you know?

02:56:36.000 And even he was...

02:56:37.000 I was on once, and Kathy Lee was...

02:56:39.000 Kathy Gifford was the lead guest.

02:56:42.000 And she's talking about her son, Cody.

02:56:44.000 And she says, you know, he has a stage in his bedroom.

02:56:48.000 And Jay's like, what?

02:56:50.000 She says, he's got a stage and lights.

02:56:52.000 Her son.

02:56:52.000 She says, you know, kids love to put on shows.

02:56:57.000 And he goes, yeah, the gay kids do. 0.94

02:56:59.000 And... 1.00

02:57:00.000 The fucking place went crazy. 1.00

02:57:02.000 The Tonight Show audience went nuts laughing. 1.00

02:57:05.000 And she was out of tears.

02:57:07.000 She was laughing so hard.

02:57:09.000 And I saw him in the segment break go up to somebody and go like, they cut it out.

02:57:14.000 It didn't air.

02:57:15.000 And I know that was him going like, let's not use that.

02:57:17.000 Let's not use that.

02:57:18.000 So, that's his goal. 0.99

02:57:20.000 People get to have their own fucking goals. 0.99

02:57:22.000 Well, to those guys that were coming up in that era, that spot was the crown. 0.99

02:57:27.000 That was the throne. 0.98

02:57:29.000 If you could host The Tonight Show, you were the fucking man, and everybody wanted The Tonight Show gig. 0.98

02:57:35.000 And he protected that thing like it was a sacred institution. 0.99

02:57:39.000 That's right.

02:57:39.000 And that's what he had always wanted.

02:57:41.000 And he still did stand-up.

02:57:42.000 He has a strange strategy, though.

02:57:44.000 He doesn't have any material that's out there.

02:57:46.000 He goes, hey, if I put my stuff out there, you know how much that costs me?

02:57:49.000 He still believes that.

02:57:50.000 I'll lose a half a million dollars.

02:57:52.000 He had this idea in his head that he couldn't do his act then because his act would be out there.

02:57:58.000 Which is, you know, that's his take on things.

02:58:01.000 He's at his best doing his car show. 0.99

02:58:03.000 Because that's when you get to see the real Jay Leno is because he fucking loves cars. 0.99

02:58:08.000 Yes. 0.97

02:58:08.000 I've had so many conversations with that guy who just go deep into cars and just... 0.97

02:58:13.000 He loves them.

02:58:14.000 And it's not like he loves, like, cars that make him look like a baller.

02:58:17.000 No, he loves, like, old steam-powered engines. 0.99

02:58:21.000 He loves, like, weird fucking tires. 0.99

02:58:23.000 He knows everything. 1.00

02:58:24.000 Everything.

02:58:25.000 One time I did The Tonight Show and after my set, he said, hey, stick around.

02:58:30.000 Do you have to go somewhere?

02:58:31.000 And I was like, no, you know.

02:58:33.000 Yeah, hang around.

02:58:34.000 I didn't know what that meant, so I went back to my dressing room, and one of the producers said, hey, Jay wants to talk to you.

02:58:41.000 I didn't know what it was.

02:58:43.000 So I wait for a while, and he's got a motorcycle helmet, and he goes, hey, let me show you.

02:58:47.000 It's my new bike.

02:58:48.000 He takes me out and shows me he has a jet motorcycle.

02:58:52.000 He had created it.

02:58:53.000 It was a jet engine with a motorcycle frame built around it.

02:58:57.000 And I go, wow, is that a jet?

02:58:59.000 And he goes, yeah, yeah.

02:59:00.000 I took it out of a helicopter and I put it on this...

02:59:02.000 And he starts it and there's this blue flame coming out of the back.

02:59:07.000 And he's...

02:59:08.000 And he puts down the visor and he just takes off.

02:59:13.000 And he's not circling around.

02:59:16.000 I just hear him fading in the distance.

02:59:18.000 And I go to the producers, so is that it?

02:59:20.000 And she goes, yeah, you can go.

02:59:23.000 He didn't even say anything like talking.

02:59:25.000 Just, eh, look at this.

02:59:26.000 Also, imagine this guy who's the host of The Tonight Show who just rides a motorcycle to work.

02:59:30.000 Yeah.

02:59:31.000 Like, he would ride a motorcycle to work all the time. 0.99

02:59:33.000 Like, all the fucking money that's banking on him is the biggest fucking show and talk show. 0.99

02:59:39.000 And this guy's out there on a motorcycle. 1.00

02:59:41.000 On a fucking experimental motorcycle. 0.98

02:59:43.000 He told me another time, because I asked him about that bike, that he had to pay for a guy's Lamborghini because he melted the front of a Lamborghini. 0.99

02:59:50.000 It was too close, and he gunned it, and he just melted the whole front of a car.

02:59:55.000 So... 0.99

02:59:56.000 Well, he probably had spare parts at his fucking place. 1.00

02:59:59.000 Sure. 0.99

02:59:59.000 He has 11 garages. 0.99

03:00:01.000 There's 11 warehouses filled with cars.

03:00:04.000 When I went to his place, I saw one warehouse, and I was like, this is incredible.

03:00:08.000 I brought my car there, and we did this little segment on my car, and...

03:00:12.000 He goes, yeah, I got 11 of these.

03:00:13.000 I go, you have 11 of these?

03:00:16.000 He goes, yeah, basically.

03:00:17.000 Yeah, 10 was not enough. 0.97

03:00:18.000 He's got 11 giant warehouses filled with cars, and it's fucking immaculate. 0.94

03:00:23.000 Like, you could eat off the floor. 0.98

03:00:25.000 And there's all these really cool old automotive signs on the wall, and it's fucking incredible. 0.80

03:00:31.000 Strange. 0.98

03:00:31.000 Now I have to piss. 0.98

03:00:33.000 Sorry.

03:00:34.000 Oh, God.

03:00:34.000 Perfect timing.

03:00:36.000 I like Jay Leno, too.

03:00:38.000 Just you and me, Joe List.

03:00:39.000 How you feeling?

03:00:40.000 I don't know.

03:00:41.000 I don't know if I can handle this.

03:00:42.000 You're fine.

03:00:43.000 It's bad.

03:00:44.000 Your special that you did, how long did you work on the material to put this together?

03:00:49.000 Because this is like post-pandemic.

03:00:51.000 Yeah.

03:00:52.000 So I can't do it like that because...

03:00:55.000 I get too much extra material so I can protect it.

03:00:59.000 So I have like an hour and then I keep going till I have like an hour 20, hour 25 or whatever.

03:01:05.000 And then so I shot a special in 2019. No, 2020, right before it all went down.

03:01:13.000 That was my I Hate Myself YouTube special, which did really well.

03:01:17.000 And then, so I had like an extra 20, and then I went from there and added, so the next one came out like a year and a half later.

03:01:27.000 Oh, wow.

03:01:27.000 Which I was really proud of, and that one's called This Year's Material.

03:01:31.000 And now I'm touring with another new hour.

03:01:34.000 So I feel like I'm very quietly prolific.

03:01:37.000 That's awesome.

03:01:38.000 Thanks.

03:01:39.000 And when you're putting together the special, like when you release it, how much time do you have before you start touring again?

03:01:45.000 Well, I have to just go back out.

03:01:47.000 So I waited.

03:01:48.000 I shot it in December.

03:01:49.000 I didn't release it until like the end of April because I was like, I got to come up with stuff.

03:01:54.000 Because it's not like I have a legion of fans, but I'm doing okay now.

03:01:57.000 I'm selling some tickets.

03:01:58.000 You know, I go into percentage deal.

03:02:00.000 I'm making enough.

03:02:02.000 I hate telling a joke that somebody's already heard.

03:02:06.000 So I didn't release it.

03:02:07.000 I gave myself like four months to come up with the other 25 at least.

03:02:11.000 So I could do 45 that wasn't out there already.

03:02:14.000 So it was in the can, but I was still doing those jokes for like four months before I released it.

03:02:20.000 And I didn't release it until I had like another, you know, 38-ish minutes.

03:02:25.000 And then the other...

03:02:26.000 I'd do like 45, 50 on the road.

03:02:28.000 So I had enough that I could do and then tool around a little bit, and now I feel like I have like a full 50 or so minutes.

03:02:34.000 And this special that you're putting out, you say it's going to come out in September?

03:02:39.000 No, no.

03:02:40.000 No, that was Bobby's special that he shot.

03:02:42.000 When is yours coming out?

03:02:43.000 I have one out right now, and then I'm just touring with this new hour.

03:02:46.000 I thought you were doing a new one soon.

03:02:48.000 No, no.

03:02:49.000 This one just came out, I don't know what it was, a couple months ago called This Year's Material, but now I'm touring with this new stuff.

03:02:57.000 So if people go watch these two that I put out in the last couple years and then come see me, it's totally different stuff.

03:03:03.000 But this one I'm just going to tour with because that's how I make money, so I've got to keep it for a while at least.

03:03:09.000 Is your podcast doing well, too?

03:03:11.000 Podcast does well, yeah.

03:03:12.000 It's with Norman, Tuesdays with Stories, and we do...

03:03:14.000 It does really well.

03:03:15.000 I mean, to me, it does really well.

03:03:17.000 I don't know what...

03:03:17.000 I think we have, like, 100,000 people every episode.

03:03:20.000 And Norman's just blown up.

03:03:21.000 No, Norman's killing it.

03:03:22.000 And when you first started doing the podcast, like, how long ago was that?

03:03:26.000 We started almost nine years ago.

03:03:28.000 September's nine years.

03:03:29.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

03:03:31.000 That's awesome to be able to do it with another person and keep doing it for that long, too, because so many times guys start out like history hyenas or whatever, and then they just can't do it with each other anymore.

03:03:42.000 Yeah, I'm so grateful for Mark because I had the idea to do this podcast, and Mark's the only person I considered.

03:03:48.000 He was up for doing it, and we have never had...

03:03:52.000 An issue.

03:03:53.000 Ever.

03:03:53.000 We love doing it, I think.

03:03:55.000 I mean, I can't speak for him, but we've never had like a... 1.00

03:03:57.000 No, fuck that, dude! 1.00

03:03:59.000 You fucking... 1.00

03:03:59.000 Like, we've never had any of that shit. 1.00

03:04:01.000 We have a blast, and it's pure comedy. 0.99

03:04:04.000 We don't do any interviews or anything. 0.98

03:04:06.000 It's just pure, silly, fucking irreverent horseshit, and we have a blast. 0.98

03:04:11.000 Mark is such a great guy. 0.99

03:04:12.000 Great guy.

03:04:13.000 I mean, I literally just flew in from his bachelor party.

03:04:16.000 We had the time of our lives with Ari and Bert and Mark.

03:04:18.000 He's such a joke machine.

03:04:20.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what I love about Mark, is he's pure funny.

03:04:23.000 I mean, we're talking about DePaulo.

03:04:25.000 DePaulo and Mark are the two funniest people I've ever met.

03:04:27.000 They're one and two, with respect to everybody in the room.

03:04:31.000 Just hanging.

03:04:31.000 Just hanging out, yeah.

03:04:32.000 I mean, just...

03:04:33.000 Mark is pure funny.

03:04:34.000 I mean, to the point that he can't not be serious.

03:04:36.000 It's his only character defect, is that you're like, can you just...

03:04:41.000 Be serious for like one moment.

03:04:42.000 I do a podcast with Ari, Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman.

03:04:46.000 We do it like every month.

03:04:47.000 It's called Protect Our Parks. 0.96

03:04:49.000 Ari Shaffir had this fucking thing about this park in New York that they were going to tear down and turn into like apartment buildings or something like that. 0.99

03:04:56.000 And he was like, we have to stop this, we stop this. 0.99

03:04:58.000 And so Shane just kept railing on him.

03:05:01.000 We've got to protect the park.

03:05:02.000 And he's like 15 Bud Lights into the podcast.

03:05:05.000 And it just became the name of the podcast, Protect Our Parks.

03:05:08.000 They turned the park into a...

03:05:09.000 They leveled the park.

03:05:11.000 It's gone. 0.99

03:05:13.000 Useless.

03:05:14.000 But that podcast is the most fun podcast I ever do. 0.92

03:05:18.000 Because we get obliterated. 0.85

03:05:19.000 We just drink and smoke weed and just get ridiculous. 0.90

03:05:23.000 And then afterwards we have a conversation.

03:05:25.000 Like, do you want to leave that one in?

03:05:26.000 Yeah, you gotta cut half it out.

03:05:27.000 Like, it's always Gillis.

03:05:28.000 Like, he's like, man, maybe we should cut that part out.

03:05:32.000 It's like when he's 13, 14, Bud lights it.

03:05:35.000 He has an astounding capacity to consume alcohol.

03:05:38.000 Yeah.

03:05:38.000 He's a big, big fella with a lot of room for booze.

03:05:41.000 Ari tried to go beer for beer with him the last podcast.

03:05:43.000 That was his goal.

03:05:44.000 And at 14 beers in, he's throwing up in a cooler and sleeping on the floor.

03:05:48.000 Yeah, bad idea.

03:05:49.000 I mean, Ari's like a 64-year-old skinny Jew, and he's not a drinker.

03:05:53.000 I mean, he drinks, but that's not his thing, so that was a bad idea.

03:05:56.000 But I'm sad I missed Shane drinking.

03:05:59.000 We didn't get to cross paths, but we could have had some fun.

03:06:02.000 When did you quit drinking?

03:06:03.000 How long ago was that?

03:06:04.000 Almost 10 years ago.

03:06:05.000 December is 10 years.

03:06:06.000 So there's a few people I never got to drink with.

03:06:09.000 Ari I became friends with right after I got sober, or maybe a little bit before I got sober.

03:06:12.000 I never got to drink with him.

03:06:14.000 And same with Shane.

03:06:15.000 So it's sad.

03:06:16.000 We were just at the bachelor party and you're like, man, I want to go.

03:06:19.000 Do you miss it?

03:06:20.000 Do you miss boozing?

03:06:21.000 A little bit, but not really.

03:06:22.000 I mean, we had this bachelor party at the beginning when everyone's getting drinks and doing shots, but then the next morning I wake up and I fucking go swim in the ocean while everyone's, you know, vomiting and laying on the ground.

03:06:33.000 It makes you grateful. 0.88

03:06:35.000 But those guys must be dying, because right now I feel hung up. 0.98

03:06:38.000 My head is fucking pounding, because we slept two hours a night. 0.99

03:06:41.000 We're smoking three cigars a day. 1.00

03:06:43.000 I'm, like, dying without drinking.

03:06:44.000 So those guys, I can't imagine what they feel like right now. 0.98

03:06:47.000 I love my texts from Shane that I get after we all go out and get fucking hammered.

03:06:52.000 He's like, that's it, I'm done. 0.96

03:06:54.000 Never doing this again.

03:06:55.000 Cut to five hours later we're doing a show and he's drinking.

03:06:57.000 I always text Shane and I'll tell Shane, I go, I'm here.

03:07:00.000 I'm here when you're ready.

03:07:01.000 Let me know.

03:07:03.000 But...

03:07:03.000 I mean, the thing is, Joe, when you were drinking and had fellowship with drinkers, you have that fellowship now in sobriety.

03:07:11.000 Yeah.

03:07:12.000 Because Joe looks after a lot of people in the New York scene who are trying to stay sober.

03:07:16.000 I mean, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.

03:07:18.000 No, yeah.

03:07:18.000 We made a movie about it.

03:07:19.000 Yeah.

03:07:20.000 It's called Fourth of July.

03:07:21.000 It's available now on LouisCQ.com.

03:07:23.000 It is now.

03:07:23.000 Please buy it.

03:07:24.000 But yeah, no, you can still have, you know, the people that are like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

03:07:29.000 Those aren't your friends. 0.99

03:07:30.000 So, I mean, we just did a three-day bender, and, you know, they're drinking.

03:07:34.000 I'm not.

03:07:34.000 We all get along.

03:07:35.000 It's all fine.

03:07:35.000 That's amazing that you can do that, that you can just hang with people that are getting hammered.

03:07:39.000 Yeah, I mean, I work it.

03:07:42.000 I'm an actively sober guy, so...

03:07:45.000 So do you go to meetings?

03:07:46.000 I go to meetings, I run meetings, the whole thing.

03:07:49.000 Oh, you run meetings?

03:07:50.000 Yeah.

03:07:50.000 When the pandemic started, you know, there was nowhere to go.

03:07:53.000 It's the same with comedy. 0.99

03:07:54.000 It's the same thing where it's like, wait, what the fuck? 0.98

03:07:57.000 So I started a Zoom meeting for comics and at first it was like seven, eight people and then it's blown up and it's still going. 0.97

03:08:03.000 I don't, you know, I'm not always there, but now it's like this big thing.

03:08:06.000 I'm really proud of it.

03:08:07.000 Yeah, Zoom was really good for AA, I think, for a lot of people.

03:08:11.000 Absolutely, it's fantastic.

03:08:12.000 I mean, you can walk around, listen to it.

03:08:13.000 You can have meetings from people around the world.

03:08:15.000 It was awesome.

03:08:16.000 Thank God I never did Zoom comedy, though.

03:08:18.000 I watched Zoom comedy.

03:08:19.000 Oh, no, no, no.

03:08:20.000 No, no, no, no, no.

03:08:21.000 Just don't do it.

03:08:22.000 There is one great thing about it.

03:08:25.000 I'm not ever doing it again, but the nice thing was... 0.99

03:08:28.000 It ends and you just close your computer and turn the fucking ballgame on. 0.97

03:08:32.000 There's no meet and greet or meeting the lady and being like, hi, yeah, oh yeah, it was a good ride. 0.99

03:08:39.000 John Heffron was doing Zoom comedy long before the pandemic, but he was doing it in a different way.

03:08:45.000 It wasn't Zoom.

03:08:45.000 He does a lot of corporate gigs because he's very clean, and he did these gigs where he would be in front of a monitor that would have all the people that were watching him, he could see their faces.

03:08:57.000 Kind of like King of Comedy when he's in front of that thing.

03:09:00.000 Yeah, kind of.

03:09:01.000 I mean, he would be in a room.

03:09:03.000 He would go and do his act.

03:09:04.000 He would see their faces as they were laughing.

03:09:07.000 I remember watching sporting events where they'd have that, like the wall of faces, and I horribly thought, that's going to be life.

03:09:14.000 Is that going to be life now?

03:09:15.000 It might be.

03:09:16.000 Yeah.

03:09:17.000 It might be one day.

03:09:18.000 I think people are choosing to be together again.

03:09:21.000 I think they are, but I think VR might be the next step to remove people from that.

03:09:27.000 Somehow it never quite takes off.

03:09:30.000 I think, I don't know if it's...

03:09:31.000 There'll be some people that do it, you know?

03:09:33.000 VR porn would be...

03:09:35.000 I'm sure that exists already.

03:09:36.000 It exists. 0.99

03:09:36.000 But, I mean, I would love to have sex with my wife, the video of, you know, my dad on it, or whatever. 0.99

03:09:42.000 What? 1.00

03:09:43.000 I don't know.

03:09:45.000 Sounds great.

03:09:45.000 That was a whatever.

03:09:47.000 That deserves more words.

03:09:49.000 Whatever.

03:09:50.000 I think you should have kept going with that thought. 1.00

03:09:52.000 Yeah, I want to fuck my dad. 1.00

03:09:53.000 That's all. 1.00

03:09:54.000 That's the end of the thought. 1.00

03:09:55.000 Everybody wants to VR fuck their dad. 1.00

03:09:58.000 I don't want to really fuck him. 0.99

03:09:59.000 I think VR is going to get better and better to the point where it's going to be like you're actually there. 0.99

03:10:06.000 And that's going to get really weird.

03:10:08.000 And that's coming, whether we like it or not.

03:10:11.000 Maybe we're not even here right now.

03:10:14.000 That's what Elon believes.

03:10:15.000 He believes it's a simulation.

03:10:17.000 That's a good one.

03:10:18.000 Yeah, but even if it's a simulation, we're still here.

03:10:19.000 Could be better.

03:10:21.000 Arthritis in a simulation?

03:10:22.000 Do you take CBD? No.

03:10:25.000 Dave Foley had pretty bad arthritis where he couldn't extend his fingers and he started taking CBD every day and it completely went away. 0.99

03:10:31.000 No shit. 0.99

03:10:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:10:32.000 Alright, I'm sold. 1.00

03:10:33.000 It's an inflammation issue.

03:10:35.000 Yeah.

03:10:35.000 Like if you alter your diet and you change some lifestyle things and do some cold plunges and stuff.

03:10:40.000 I don't have any fluid in there.

03:10:42.000 It's just bone on bone.

03:10:43.000 Oh.

03:10:44.000 So it just hurts all the time.

03:10:46.000 Are you drinking water?

03:10:47.000 I drink a lot of water.

03:10:49.000 Okay. 0.97

03:10:49.000 A shit ton of water. 0.97

03:10:50.000 It's not that then.

03:10:50.000 No, it's not that.

03:10:51.000 I just know that flu, synovial fluid or whatever it is.

03:10:54.000 Yeah, I just have...

03:10:55.000 It's in your thumps. 1.00

03:10:56.000 And what's crazy is you go to three different guys, they all tell you that each other are full of shit. 0.99

03:11:02.000 Like, one guy's told me to get an operation, the other guys don't do it. 1.00

03:11:05.000 And one guy told me to get shots, and the other guy says, no, the shots are shit. 1.00

03:11:09.000 It doesn't help. 0.99

03:11:09.000 And, you know, nobody agrees. 0.99

03:11:11.000 So just live with the pain.

03:11:13.000 It hurts right now?

03:11:14.000 Yeah, it hurts a bit.

03:11:15.000 It's that right there, that movement. 0.99

03:11:18.000 Fucking hurts. 0.99

03:11:19.000 That hurts a lot. 1.00

03:11:19.000 Really? 1.00

03:11:20.000 Yeah, and it's hard to open shit. 1.00

03:11:22.000 This is the most infuriating one. 1.00

03:11:24.000 When I'm trying to close a Ziploc bag, like that fucking hurts. 0.99

03:11:27.000 Just trying to put a little pressure on the, you know. 0.98

03:11:30.000 I have exercises I can do, and I got shots once and it actually helped for about three months.

03:11:35.000 Was it cortisone?

03:11:36.000 Yeah, I guess.

03:11:37.000 Yeah.

03:11:37.000 Or heroin, I don't know.

03:11:38.000 You should try CBD. I really think it would help you.

03:11:42.000 I really do.

03:11:42.000 I mean, Dave Foley was on his last leg, and now it just completely went away.

03:11:47.000 His hands were on their last legs.

03:11:49.000 His hand was almost like permanently in a claw.

03:11:53.000 Oh, geez.

03:11:54.000 Now it's gone away.

03:11:56.000 That's kind of like Blade Runner.

03:11:57.000 It just means you're dying.

03:11:58.000 Oh, that time.

03:12:00.000 Just put a nail in it. 1.00

03:12:02.000 You could take your life, too. 1.00

03:12:04.000 I could take my life anytime I want. 0.98

03:12:06.000 Yeah, that's not a horrible option.

03:12:09.000 No, it's not.

03:12:11.000 Just kidding. 1.00

03:12:11.000 Fuck your dad, then take your life. 1.00

03:12:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:12:14.000 Take your dad's life first. 1.00

03:12:15.000 Fuck your dad, kill your dad, kill yourself. 1.00

03:12:18.000 That's the next special. 1.00

03:12:19.000 That's how things are done.

03:12:20.000 Yeah.

03:12:21.000 Or make it so you're on a time delay. 0.99

03:12:24.000 When you blow your brains out, your dad goes, oh my god, my son just killed himself. 1.00

03:12:27.000 And then boom, your dad explodes. 0.95

03:12:30.000 Yeah, it's kind of like Romeo and Juliet, you know? 0.87

03:12:33.000 He thinks you're dead, then he kills himself.

03:12:35.000 Right. 0.90

03:12:36.000 But you're not dead.

03:12:37.000 Did you know Romeo and Juliet were eight years old in the story?

03:12:40.000 What?

03:12:41.000 No, I made that up.

03:12:42.000 But they were 13. They were 13. Yeah.

03:12:45.000 13's pretty close to eight.

03:12:46.000 Yeah.

03:12:49.000 All right.

03:12:49.000 Five years.

03:12:50.000 Should we end this?

03:12:52.000 Sure.

03:12:52.000 I have to piss again.

03:12:53.000 That's how long it's been.

03:12:55.000 Well, it's five o'clock.

03:12:56.000 Oh, my God.

03:12:57.000 Three hours later.

03:12:57.000 I have a gig in an hour.

03:12:59.000 My goodness.

03:13:00.000 Do you really?

03:13:00.000 I do a baseball gig, PBL Roundup.

03:13:03.000 It's a minor league baseball gig with Tom Brenneman.

03:13:05.000 It's really fun.

03:13:06.000 We just talk about baseball?

03:13:07.000 It's virtual.

03:13:08.000 Yeah, we talk about...

03:13:09.000 Just for that league, though, right?

03:13:10.000 What's the league?

03:13:10.000 It's that league, but we talk about the state of baseball and stuff.

03:13:13.000 In Montana or something?

03:13:13.000 It's in Montana.

03:13:14.000 Yeah, I got to play minor league baseball for a day with the Missoula Paddleheads.

03:13:17.000 I'm actually going back out there to do it again.

03:13:18.000 Are you a good baseball player?

03:13:19.000 I mean, I was good.

03:13:22.000 I'm better than most 40-year-old comedians that haven't played organized baseball in 20 years.

03:13:26.000 But I just saw Bert this week.

03:13:28.000 I put out a whole video, and as soon as I saw him, he's like, I can fix your swing, man.

03:13:31.000 I was like, come on, it's pretty good.

03:13:33.000 Is this you out here?

03:13:33.000 This is me.

03:13:34.000 Yeah, I got to coach first base, which was really fun.

03:13:37.000 And the players, they didn't even enjoy me, I don't think.

03:13:39.000 Yeah, they didn't want to look at you.

03:13:41.000 I had a great time.

03:13:43.000 We had a lot of fun.

03:13:44.000 I was a kid.

03:13:45.000 But, yeah, Pioneer Baseball League, it's a lot of fun.

03:13:48.000 It was pretty great.

03:13:49.000 I was just goofing around.

03:13:51.000 Yeah, having something like that that you do outside of comedy is probably a great thing.

03:13:55.000 Oh, it was so much fun, but yeah, I gotta go do that.

03:13:58.000 But the movie is available.

03:14:01.000 Yeah, 4th of July.

03:14:01.000 4th of July, it's on my website.

03:14:03.000 Please buy it so I can continue making movies.

03:14:06.000 And Bobby Kelly's special comes out, you say, September?

03:14:09.000 September.

03:14:10.000 Sometime in September.

03:14:10.000 Late September at this point because I've got to edit it.

03:14:12.000 You can watch my series, Louie.

03:14:15.000 There it is.

03:14:16.000 For $30, you get all five seasons.

03:14:18.000 You get to stream it anyway for five years.

03:14:20.000 And how do you put it on a phone or on a television?

03:14:24.000 Do you watch it on airplay if you want to watch it on television?

03:14:27.000 You can do all of that.

03:14:28.000 You can do all that.

03:14:28.000 And then my special, I like to tell your listeners, because a lot of people don't know, people I run into all the time don't know I've made more specials.

03:14:35.000 People come up to me and they go, when are you coming back? 0.94

03:14:37.000 I go, I made two fucking specials. 0.95

03:14:39.000 I made Sincerely right before the pandemic, and then I made Sorry, who shot that at the Madison Square Garden Hulu Theater. 0.96

03:14:46.000 So these are both brand new specials over the last couple of years. 0.94

03:14:48.000 They're both fucking great. 0.92

03:14:48.000 Thank you. 0.92

03:14:48.000 And I really, really love Sorry, man. 0.92

03:14:50.000 Sorry was fucking fantastic. 0.62

03:14:52.000 Thank you. 0.95

03:14:52.000 It was really great. 0.95

03:14:53.000 And then you can buy all my specials for $25.

03:14:55.000 It's all seven that I own anyway.

03:14:56.000 I don't own the Netflix one, which you can see on Netflix, and then one on HBO. I don't own that either.

03:15:02.000 But you can get them all there.

03:15:03.000 All right.

03:15:04.000 Thank you, Joe List.

03:15:06.000 This was a great performance by you.

03:15:08.000 I don't want to hear anything different.

03:15:10.000 Thank you very much.

03:15:12.000 I'm glad you came with me, Joe.

03:15:14.000 We did a Q&A at a show.

03:15:17.000 Mark and I did a live podcast, and Ari was the guest.

03:15:19.000 We did Q&A, and some guy goes...

03:15:21.000 Why are Mark and Ari so funny on Rogan and you're not?

03:15:26.000 I was like, you guys are like, don't look at Twitter.

03:15:28.000 And I'm like, this guy just shouted it to me. 0.99

03:15:31.000 And I'm like, well, what the fuck? 0.99

03:15:32.000 He did that because you talk about it. 1.00

03:15:34.000 I don't know.

03:15:35.000 It's the chicken and the egg, I think.

03:15:37.000 But if you want to see me be funny, check out this year's material on YouTube for free. 0.98

03:15:42.000 You're a fucking really, really funny comic. 0.95

03:15:43.000 Very funny comic. 0.99

03:15:44.000 Good actor. 0.99

03:15:45.000 Fucking great actor. 0.98

03:15:46.000 And the movie's fantastic. 0.99

03:15:47.000 And it's called Fourth of July, and it's available on louisck.com right now.

03:15:51.000 Grateful for you, Joe.

03:15:52.000 Thanks for being here.

03:15:53.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:15:53.000 Thanks for having me.

03:15:54.000 I really, really appreciate it.

03:15:56.000 Very much.

03:15:56.000 My pleasure.

03:15:57.000 It was great.

03:15:58.000 Newton boys.

03:15:59.000 Look at us.

03:15:59.000 Yes, look at us.

03:16:00.000 All of us Boston kids.

03:16:01.000 That's right.

03:16:01.000 Pretty great.

03:16:02.000 All right.

03:16:03.000 That's it.

03:16:03.000 It's a wrap.

03:16:04.000 Bye, everybody.

03:16:04.000 We're good.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 18, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1859 - Louis CK & Joe List

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