The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1861 - Dave Mustaine

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00:00:12.000 Oh bro, how are you?

00:00:13.000 Dave, what's happening?

00:00:14.000 How are you?

00:00:15.000 Here we are, finally, yeah.

00:00:16.000 I'm excited to talk to you, man.

00:00:17.000 You've had a wild ride for life.

00:00:19.000 I have.

00:00:20.000 You really have.

00:00:21.000 I love people like you.

00:00:22.000 I always kept my hands on the wheel.

00:00:24.000 Yeah.

00:00:24.000 No, obviously, you're here, right?

00:00:27.000 Yes, sir.

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 And what a fucking wild ride, though. 0.99

00:00:31.000 I mean, everything. 0.99

00:00:32.000 Your religious background, being the first Metallica.

00:00:38.000 I mean, it's pretty wild.

00:00:40.000 Wow.

00:00:41.000 What is it like, like, looking back?

00:00:43.000 Does it seem, I mean, being a part of Megadeth and being a part of Metallica, like, you're rock loyalty.

00:00:51.000 Thanks.

00:00:52.000 Thanks.

00:00:55.000 First off, thanks for having me on.

00:00:56.000 My pleasure.

00:00:58.000 I'm stoked to be here.

00:01:02.000 What was it like?

00:01:04.000 There's so much to explain.

00:01:07.000 Of course, you know, being in showbiz, that there's different degrees of how excited you can get. 0.98

00:01:13.000 You have one of those days and it's like, yeah, shit, it'll never be better than this. 0.93

00:01:16.000 And then, you know, you keep working hard, you keep applying yourself, associating with the right people, and there's always going to be another level. 0.97

00:01:23.000 My sensei out in California, I used to train with Sensei Benny the Jet Yuki Des, and he would say...

00:01:28.000 One of the all-time greats.

00:01:30.000 Yeah, yeah, that's my first black belt came from, Sensei Benny.

00:01:33.000 That's amazing.

00:01:34.000 Were you at the Jet Center?

00:01:35.000 Yeah, I'm number 17, so...

00:01:37.000 When I went to California, that was one of the first places I went to.

00:01:40.000 I wanted to go to the Comedy Store, and I wanted to go to the Jet Center. 0.60

00:01:43.000 That got ruined in an earthquake in Northridge.

00:01:46.000 Yeah, I was there right afterwards.

00:01:46.000 Oh, that's a lot.

00:01:47.000 And when the rains came, the roof was all fucked up, and they wound up having to close the place down. 0.82

00:01:52.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.57

00:01:53.000 And then he had a place in North Hollywood for a while that I went to.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, that was over by Vaughn, so I went there a couple times, but just didn't have the magic that the Jets said.

00:01:59.000 Oh, it did, right?

00:02:00.000 Knowing Bill Superfoot Wallace and Chuck Norris and all these greats had gone in there.

00:02:05.000 And Blinky Rodriguez.

00:02:05.000 Blinky, Blinky.

00:02:06.000 I was really close with Blinky.

00:02:08.000 My wife had trained with Sensei Lily Rodriguez, too, before her unfortunate passing.

00:02:13.000 I met her as well.

00:02:14.000 Yeah, she was a badass. 1.00

00:02:15.000 When did she pass?

00:02:17.000 It was probably in the last 10 years or so.

00:02:20.000 I remember that there was a lot of talk about her and June Castro at the time about who was the toughest.

00:02:26.000 And she had fought June, and June broke her leg.

00:02:28.000 And I can't remember how long she had continued to defend herself before she stopped.

00:02:35.000 I think actually someone stopped it.

00:02:37.000 But yeah, just amazing stories of resilience in that family.

00:02:41.000 It really gave me a lot of encouragement and a lot of the drive to get out of the mess that I was experiencing.

00:02:46.000 No doubt going to end up in if I hadn't fallen in love with the art.

00:02:51.000 Found something like that.

00:02:52.000 And what a great place to do it, too, because that family, those people, Benny, Blinky, Lily, all those people that were attached to them, too, that's a giant part of the history of kickboxing in America.

00:03:07.000 I mean, they were the elite of the elite. 0.98

00:03:08.000 Benny was the Baddest motherfucker ever during his time. 0.99

00:03:12.000 Yes, he was. 1.00

00:03:12.000 People don't realize. 1.00

00:03:13.000 You go back and watch those tapes of Benny Urquidez when he was young.

00:03:17.000 It's kind of lost on some people for some reason, but he was phenomenal.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, it's sad to watch how he dismantles people.

00:03:24.000 There was a fight that I have one of his tapes.

00:03:27.000 I have all of his tapes.

00:03:28.000 One in particular that I really like, he'd gone to Thailand and he was fighting a guy.

00:03:33.000 He said, look, I'll come to your country, fight your rules, your champ, your ring, whatever.

00:03:37.000 And he went there and, you know, all I can compare it to is in Star Wars where they have those guys with the big hat, you know, the big forehead, the Klingons, whatever they are.

00:03:48.000 Sensei Benny had kicked him across his forehead with a shin kick so many times that his whole entire forehead just had this contusion on it, looked like Like, almost like a Darth Vader helmet, you know, after he'd had his head cut.

00:04:03.000 And it was, in a way, I guess, you know, maybe he was taunting him a little bit, you know, just, you know, slapping him around on TV because it was in front of, the whole nation had shown up there to watch this fight.

00:04:18.000 I guess he's had a lot of fights like that.

00:04:20.000 I heard that the story about Frank Dukes was actually about Sensei Benny, too.

00:04:24.000 Did you ever hear about that one?

00:04:26.000 Well, the Frank Dukes thing was kind of a hoax, right?

00:04:29.000 He claimed to be a part of some kumite that was proven to not really happen.

00:04:36.000 What was the exact story?

00:04:38.000 Because I know they tried to make it into Bloodsport, right?

00:04:41.000 They did.

00:04:42.000 But it's not true.

00:04:44.000 From what I know, this is what I know, what I was told.

00:04:48.000 So I don't know how accurate this is.

00:04:49.000 But I heard from the people who participated in this whole thing.

00:04:52.000 So what had happened was the movie with Jean-Claude Van Damme and Frank Dukes, I was told that Frank Dukes wasn't the guy who had actually been the fighter in that and that it was Benny the Cheyukides.

00:05:06.000 And that when...

00:05:08.000 He had come home or something.

00:05:10.000 He had his school in the Los Angeles area, Simi Valley area, somewhere like that.

00:05:15.000 And Sensei Rubin, Benny's older brother, and Sensei Arnold, his other brother.

00:05:24.000 He had nine brothers and sisters.

00:05:25.000 They were all black belts.

00:05:26.000 Whoa.

00:05:26.000 And his mother was a professional wrestler, and his dad was a professional boxer, or vice versa.

00:05:32.000 One was a boxer, one was a wrestler.

00:05:33.000 What a terrible house to break into.

00:05:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:05:35.000 You know, he used to tell me that when the kids would get in fights, the dad would say, go outside and fight barefoot in the stickers.

00:05:42.000 And I thought, wow, that's...

00:05:43.000 Talk about getting toughened up.

00:05:45.000 Because he used to tell me he would get his teeth worked on without any Novocaine, and I was saying cleaning, right?

00:05:51.000 No.

00:05:52.000 They just...

00:05:53.000 Yeah.

00:05:54.000 And so I was...

00:05:55.000 I couldn't do that.

00:05:57.000 I drive past dentist offices and I get freaked out.

00:06:00.000 I know Benny participated in some kind of a mixed rules, kumite type situation. 0.94

00:06:06.000 And I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was in Hawaii.

00:06:10.000 See if you can find that out, Jamie.

00:06:12.000 The story with Duke, so when Arnold and Ruben, they had gone to Frank Duke's school.

00:06:20.000 And this is what the family told me.

00:06:23.000 They walked in.

00:06:23.000 They locked the door.

00:06:24.000 There was a student or two there.

00:06:26.000 They told him, you need to leave.

00:06:27.000 The students left.

00:06:28.000 And they went in the back office of Frank's dojo.

00:06:31.000 Now, this is what I heard, you know, and I'm not saying this to draw Frank Dukes out of retirement or anything like that.

00:06:37.000 You know, that's just what I heard, is that when Arnold and Rubin went in there, he Freaked out and kind of lost control of himself.

00:06:51.000 They had words and fortunately there were no fisticuffs, but that was the story.

00:06:56.000 So when I watched it again, it was really neat to think that Jean-Claude Van Damme was portraying Cincy Bennie instead of this other person.

00:07:04.000 So I'm confused about the story.

00:07:06.000 So Bennie and someone else went to visit Frank Dukes?

00:07:11.000 Ruben and Arnold went there because it was Bennie's story.

00:07:15.000 Oh, I see.

00:07:16.000 So Reuben and Arnold went there to confront Frank Dukes because Frank Dukes had ripped off Benny's story.

00:07:20.000 Right.

00:07:21.000 That's what I was told.

00:07:22.000 And this is Benny's story that was about the Kumite that we'd...

00:07:25.000 But it wasn't a real story.

00:07:27.000 Did he really rip off the story?

00:07:29.000 He kind of made something up, right?

00:07:30.000 Well, I'm not saying he ripped anything off.

00:07:32.000 What I'm saying is that's what I was told the story was that it wasn't Frank, it was Benny.

00:07:36.000 I knew a dude who faked a kumite.

00:07:39.000 It's a crazy story.

00:07:41.000 He told a friend to drive him to the woods, and he said, come back in a day.

00:07:47.000 I'm fighting in a secret karate tournament.

00:07:49.000 So he goes off into the room and he brings a bag with him, like a duffel bag.

00:07:54.000 And then the guy comes back a day later to pick him up, and no duffel bag, but now he's got a trophy the same size as the bag.

00:08:02.000 Oh, wow.

00:08:03.000 He said he won a karate tournament in the woods.

00:08:07.000 Did he take the trophy out there and bring it back?

00:08:09.000 Yes! 0.89

00:08:10.000 What a dog.

00:08:11.000 It's hilarious.

00:08:13.000 People don't understand, I think, that before the UFC, before we got to watch mixed martial arts, meaning like an Aikido guy could fight a judo guy or a wrestler guy could fight a karate guy, before we saw that, We didn't know what was the best art.

00:08:27.000 We didn't know.

00:08:28.000 And there was a lot of, like, speculation, but very few mixed-rules engagements.

00:08:34.000 Like, there was Judo Jean LaBelle fought a boxer once, and he made the boxer wear a gi, and he just took him to the ground, strangled him unconscious.

00:08:42.000 Ali.

00:08:43.000 There's Ali and Inoki.

00:08:45.000 They had that weird thing where Inoki's on his back, and he's kicking him in the legs.

00:08:49.000 But there was very few of those.

00:08:50.000 So you could have room for some person who pretends that they fought overseas.

00:08:56.000 There's no internet back then.

00:08:57.000 Some person who fought and beat the world in some sort of a to-the-death tournament.

00:09:03.000 So there was a lot of those kooks out there.

00:09:05.000 So that story, I mean, that's not even really based on Frank Dukes' version of what he says happened.

00:09:13.000 It's just kind of Hollywood corny, right?

00:09:16.000 Yeah, well, that happens with a lot of those movies.

00:09:18.000 Yeah, obviously.

00:09:19.000 But just when it comes to reality, though, like, Ben Irkides, he was a real important force in the early days of kickboxing, particularly in America.

00:09:30.000 One of my favorite martial art choreography things that he'd ever done was with Roadhouse.

00:09:38.000 Oh, he choreographed that?

00:09:40.000 Yeah, I skydived with Patrick Swayze and I knew that he was Dalton in Roadhouse.

00:09:45.000 And there was a couple moves at the very end, you know, when he was attacking that other guy, the bad guy.

00:09:49.000 And he does this cross punch on the inside of his knees and blows out the guy's knees.

00:09:55.000 I just learned that last week.

00:09:57.000 So it was really cool to see this stuff applied in this almost, you know, like fight to the death kumite.

00:10:03.000 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 So, I mean, I don't know how many people know what kumite means.

00:10:07.000 So for people that don't know what that means, it's a death match.

00:10:10.000 So I know there's going to be some people out there that aren't going to know exactly what that means.

00:10:14.000 I think the word kumite just means sparring.

00:10:17.000 Yeah.

00:10:17.000 It just means fighting.

00:10:18.000 The red sash.

00:10:21.000 Oh, God.

00:10:21.000 What is that called?

00:10:22.000 What is the word when they go, two guys go, one comes back?

00:10:27.000 That's a death match. 0.95

00:10:28.000 Do they have those?

00:10:30.000 Or have they had those?

00:10:31.000 I'm sure people have had them.

00:10:32.000 Yeah, of course they do.

00:10:32.000 I'm sure over the course of history, people have decided to karate fight to the death.

00:10:38.000 Absolutely.

00:10:38.000 I'm sure they did.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, they have to.

00:10:39.000 But I think the word kumite doesn't mean that though.

00:10:41.000 I think it just means fighting.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 Right?

00:10:43.000 Well, that's what I was asking you.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.

00:10:47.000 You know, that's a Japanese word.

00:10:49.000 I came from a Korean martial art background originally.

00:10:52.000 I don't know that much about it.

00:10:54.000 Kumite, martial arts, freestyle fighting.

00:10:57.000 So sparring.

00:10:58.000 Literally sparring.

00:10:59.000 Okay.

00:11:00.000 What does deathmatch say?

00:11:02.000 Is there a Japanese term for karate deathmatch?

00:11:06.000 That'd be a good name for a band.

00:11:09.000 Karate deathmatch.

00:11:13.000 Get that website!

00:11:15.000 What year did you start martial arts?

00:11:17.000 I was 12. Wow!

00:11:19.000 So you have a black belt in karate, right?

00:11:23.000 You have a black belt in what else?

00:11:25.000 In taekwondo.

00:11:26.000 In taekwondo, and you have a purple belt in jujitsu.

00:11:29.000 That's a very impressive resume.

00:11:32.000 That's really amazing.

00:11:33.000 Yeah.

00:11:34.000 I've managed to be really smart and stay out of a lot of trouble, too.

00:11:37.000 And that was one of the things that Cincinnati Benny told me when we first started working together was, you know, a guy's coming down the street and he doesn't look like he's your friend.

00:11:44.000 Change sides of the street.

00:11:45.000 If he changes sides of the street, turn around.

00:11:48.000 You know, I don't go looking for trouble anymore.

00:11:51.000 There was a period in my life where, you know, that kind of people, those kind of people, and that kind of stuff was, you know, go out, get drunk, cause some problems.

00:12:03.000 We lived down in Huntington Beach, you know, all the surf kids who go down there and fight people from another neighborhood or another school or something stupid like that.

00:12:09.000 A lot of tough guys came from Huntington Beach. 0.98

00:12:12.000 That's where Tank Abbott came from.

00:12:14.000 That's where Tito Ortiz came from, Huntington Beach.

00:12:17.000 A lot of guys.

00:12:18.000 There was a guy there when I went to high school there named Polo.

00:12:20.000 He was one of a bunch of Samoans that were down there.

00:12:24.000 And I remember I was at a kegger party one night, and some guy hit him right in the face with a crowbar, and he did not move.

00:12:32.000 And I thought...

00:12:33.000 Oh my god.

00:12:34.000 It was one of those hexagonal crowbars, you know?

00:12:37.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:12:38.000 It wasn't like a tire iron where you just turn the knobs and you just whacked them and I thought, someone's gonna die.

00:12:46.000 Jesus Christ.

00:12:47.000 Yeah, some people can take inhumane punishment.

00:12:50.000 It's a superhuman.

00:12:51.000 Like, I've seen Mark Hunt in the early days.

00:12:53.000 Like, Crow Cop kicked him in the head.

00:12:55.000 Crow Cop kicks people that just go unconscious. 0.93

00:12:58.000 Crow Cop kicked him in the head.

00:12:59.000 He just sort of fell down, got right back up.

00:13:01.000 And everybody was like, how?

00:13:03.000 Hey, did you ever know a guy named Mark Carr?

00:13:05.000 Mark Carr.

00:13:06.000 They used to call him the specimen.

00:13:08.000 Mark Kerr.

00:13:10.000 He was in the early days of the UFC. I was at a couple of his fights, definitely one, where he tapped a guy by shoving his chin into his eye socket.

00:13:22.000 He got on top of the guy and I think it was Ron Waterman.

00:13:29.000 So Mark Kerr gets on top of him and he's like grabbing the back of his head and he shoves his chin into the guy's eye socket and the dude taps.

00:13:38.000 I was like, that's effective.

00:13:40.000 He's a big guy.

00:13:42.000 I remember we hung out for a little while and he was staying at my pad in Scottsdale.

00:13:48.000 Oh really?

00:13:49.000 Yeah, there was a time he was getting himself straightened out and he knew that I had a history.

00:13:58.000 Was this after the Smashing Machine documentary?

00:14:01.000 I think so.

00:14:02.000 Did you ever see it?

00:14:03.000 I heard of it.

00:14:04.000 The documentary.

00:14:05.000 And I might have seen some of it.

00:14:06.000 It's wild.

00:14:07.000 Yeah.

00:14:07.000 It's wild.

00:14:09.000 What they were trying to do, like, oftentimes in documentaries, like, they'll start following someone with a very specific objective, but then the whole world changes.

00:14:18.000 Yeah.

00:14:19.000 Like, and this is one of those.

00:14:21.000 They were following him because he was this, like, unstoppable force that was fighting in pride that looked like a superhero.

00:14:26.000 Mm-hmm.

00:14:26.000 And this is the one where it shows all the shooting and everything.

00:14:29.000 Exactly.

00:14:29.000 And then during that time period, they got to realize, oh my god, this guy's addicted to painkillers.

00:14:33.000 Like, hardcore.

00:14:35.000 Like, he's really falling apart.

00:14:37.000 And he falls apart during the filming of the documentary.

00:14:39.000 It's like this...

00:14:40.000 Sad.

00:14:41.000 Yeah, a hellscape of addiction.

00:14:43.000 And they didn't intend to capture that.

00:14:46.000 They intended just to capture him dominating.

00:14:48.000 Like he was. 0.96

00:14:49.000 But he was a freak. 1.00

00:14:51.000 That guy was so fucking big. 0.99

00:14:53.000 When you would see him... 0.97

00:14:55.000 Pull up a picture of Mark Kerr in his prime.

00:14:59.000 He was one of the most preposterous guys.

00:15:01.000 And he was like a very, very... 0.95

00:15:02.000 There he is.

00:15:02.000 Look at that.

00:15:04.000 I mean, it doesn't even look like a human.

00:15:06.000 So let me tell you this thing.

00:15:07.000 Mark, see that picture on the right?

00:15:09.000 Let's look at that one right there.

00:15:09.000 We're screaming.

00:15:10.000 He's so jacked.

00:15:10.000 My wife came out one night.

00:15:12.000 It was around Halloween.

00:15:13.000 He was staying with us.

00:15:14.000 And she heard this noise in our kitchen.

00:15:16.000 And there was this pantry that had a bunch of shelves.

00:15:19.000 And all of the Halloween candy had been stuck up on the top shelf so our kids wouldn't eat it.

00:15:23.000 So she comes in the kitchen and she sees that guy inside of the pantry on the top shelf pulling down the candy.

00:15:29.000 Because...

00:15:31.000 Because he wanted candy.

00:15:32.000 That's hilarious.

00:15:33.000 I don't know that I wouldn't have...

00:15:34.000 Look at the size of him!

00:15:36.000 Candy! 0.99

00:15:36.000 He was so fucking big and so fast, too. 0.99

00:15:39.000 He's a good guy. 0.98

00:15:40.000 I hope he's still alive.

00:15:42.000 I don't know what's going on with him, but I had heard he cleaned himself up.

00:15:46.000 That's good.

00:15:47.000 I think he was selling cars for a while.

00:15:49.000 That's good.

00:15:50.000 Buy this or else.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 He looks different.

00:15:54.000 You know, he lost all that muscle mass.

00:15:56.000 He's a much more normal looking big guy now.

00:15:59.000 He was a big guy.

00:16:00.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 That's for sure.

00:16:02.000 So how did we get on the subject of Mark Kerr?

00:16:05.000 Just talking.

00:16:06.000 Yeah, I'm just trying to remember I had a point.

00:16:08.000 But he's...

00:16:09.000 Specimen.

00:16:10.000 Those early years, everyone was trying to figure out what to do.

00:16:14.000 It was interesting to see the wrestlers come in and just start smashing people.

00:16:18.000 And then kickboxers started coming in and kicking the wrestlers' legs. 1.00

00:16:21.000 And then other people started figuring out how to tap people better and no gi. 0.98

00:16:26.000 It's a wild sort of a journey from the early days of martial arts to where we are today.

00:16:32.000 The development of it all.

00:16:33.000 What is this?

00:16:34.000 Oh, this is Benny the Jet.

00:16:37.000 No rules concept with the greatest fighters on Earth.

00:16:40.000 Karate meets Kung Fu.

00:16:42.000 Oh, wow.

00:16:43.000 So this is May 16th in the LA sports arena.

00:16:46.000 What year was this?

00:16:47.000 This would have been 1975. This is about the third event the World Series of Martial Arts put on, I think.

00:16:52.000 Winner takes all.

00:16:53.000 Masters from Hawaii, Japan, the South Pacific, Thailand, and the US in full contact combat going for the knockout.

00:17:00.000 Wow.

00:17:01.000 Seven bucks for tickets.

00:17:04.000 Twelve bucks for ringside.

00:17:08.000 Oh, man, imagine Time Machine going back to watch that.

00:17:11.000 That'd be pretty interesting.

00:17:13.000 I watched one of his fights, the very last one, and I was such a bad spectator.

00:17:18.000 I was yelling because the guy that he was fighting, I can't remember his name, Tanaka, I think, or something like that.

00:17:23.000 But, you know, there were certain rules for that.

00:17:27.000 And, you know, they were putting his head under the towel in the corner, and I heard that that was not...

00:17:33.000 Legal.

00:17:34.000 That they were what?

00:17:36.000 What were they doing?

00:17:37.000 Well, somebody said something to me that the guy had his head under the towel and that they were doing something with him in the corner during the fight.

00:17:46.000 I don't know exactly what they were doing.

00:17:47.000 Was this a fight with takedowns or did he just clinch?

00:17:50.000 This is what we're looking at right here.

00:17:52.000 Who is this Benny versus?

00:17:54.000 Bill Henderson.

00:17:56.000 And this is what year was this?

00:17:58.000 This is from that fight that I just had the advertisement for.

00:18:01.000 Oh, really?

00:18:02.000 This is the...

00:18:04.000 So he took him down, so that was legal in this fight.

00:18:07.000 So this isn't just a kid.

00:18:09.000 And they're wearing those karate gloves. 1.00

00:18:10.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:18:12.000 It's really unfortunate that more people in America didn't get to see Benny fight when that whole PKA karate thing was going on. 0.99

00:18:22.000 You know, because like people got to see a lot of fights where it was really just kind of like sloppy boxing with occasional kicks.

00:18:29.000 And occasionally they'd have a guy who was like really good that was like a full, like Jerry Trimble.

00:18:34.000 Remember that guy?

00:18:35.000 No. 1.00

00:18:35.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:18:37.000 360 roundhouse kicks and wheel kicks and everything. 1.00

00:18:39.000 And then, of course, Rick Rufus.

00:18:42.000 And Rick Rufus was like the big American star who could fight that style and knock a lot of people out with kicks.

00:18:49.000 Rick Rufus was in his prime.

00:18:51.000 He was phenomenal.

00:18:52.000 And he was probably the best of the Americans in terms of the representation of a full spectrum of martial arts techniques.

00:19:00.000 A kid, he fought Thai fights.

00:19:03.000 He later learned how to fight with leg kicks.

00:19:05.000 There's like one of the most famous kickboxing matches ever was his first fight against a Thai because he didn't know how to fight with leg kicks. 0.99

00:19:13.000 And so he was fighting with the long pants on.

00:19:15.000 He gets his legs kicked out.

00:19:16.000 And that like led to this big evolution between him and his brother Duke where they really figured out like, oh, this is the right way.

00:19:22.000 Like you have to use leg kicks.

00:19:24.000 Like leg kicks are a giant part of martial arts.

00:19:27.000 The karate people and the Taekwondo people didn't get.

00:19:30.000 The Thais figured that out more than anybody. 0.77

00:19:32.000 And the karate people had some of it that they used in Kyokushin and some other, but it wasn't in terms of its expression in kickboxing.

00:19:39.000 Nobody had figured out how to do it like the Thais. 1.00

00:19:44.000 When you first started training, you said you were 12 years old, and what was the original martial art?

00:19:48.000 It was Shorin Ryu, and my brother-in-law was the chief of police in Stanton, California.

00:19:54.000 And my dad and my mom got divorced when I was four, so consequently I grew up with male role models, surrogate parenting and stuff like that.

00:20:04.000 And right across the street from the police center was a YMCA that was having free karate lessons.

00:20:10.000 And so I went.

00:20:12.000 And that started it all.

00:20:14.000 And almost 61. So, shoot, that's almost 50 years.

00:20:19.000 Wow.

00:20:20.000 But it hasn't been consistent the whole time because moving out to Arizona when I left Sensei Bene, it was really...

00:20:26.000 Hard to find someone else to train with because you know you get spoiled and and the whole MMA thing hadn't hit.

00:20:33.000 Right.

00:20:33.000 So yeah.

00:20:35.000 Yeah now that it's hit it's like there's places to train all over the country.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 Do you still watch the UFC? I do sometimes when I have the time.

00:20:42.000 I love watching matches if I get the time especially now that You know, going from practicing karate mainly to, you know, doing grappling and ground fighting and stuff.

00:20:54.000 That was part of the Yukitokan style was there was a little bit of jujitsu in it.

00:20:58.000 But nothing like the extent that I've been studying now.

00:21:02.000 And you've been doing it now for how many years, jiu-jitsu?

00:21:04.000 I think maybe three, four years.

00:21:06.000 That's awesome.

00:21:07.000 I love when people just pick stuff up new.

00:21:10.000 It's such an important part of life.

00:21:13.000 And it's so rewarding to learn some new thing, to get into some new thing.

00:21:18.000 Especially some new thing like jiu-jitsu that's actually physically good for you.

00:21:21.000 Yeah.

00:21:22.000 The other thing, too, is over the years having the discipline with the arts, I'm not chasing my chodan.

00:21:32.000 When you asked me how long it was, I actually had to think, how long has it been?

00:21:35.000 Because it's a way of life for me and the rent comes and you just show up and be a good student.

00:21:42.000 What was the first year you picked up a guitar?

00:21:45.000 I was 13. Oh, so right around the same time you first started doing martial arts.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 And back then, what was the music that you were into?

00:21:53.000 What did you listen to?

00:21:54.000 When I was 13, I had a very limited musical library.

00:21:59.000 My sisters listened to a lot of Motown.

00:22:01.000 My brother-in-law's listened to a lot of the...

00:22:08.000 We're good to go.

00:22:23.000 That I got exposed to a little bit harder music, and that started with a little bit of Deep Purple, and then Mata Hoople, and a little bit of some David Bowie, and then we discovered Kiss and Ted Nugent.

00:22:39.000 The other one was Kiss, Ted Nugent, who was the other band back then, Led Zeppelin.

00:22:43.000 Those three.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, that made all the difference in the world for me with the guitar.

00:22:47.000 And so when you first started getting into the guitar, were you taking any lessons, or were you trying to learn on your own?

00:22:54.000 I'm self-taught.

00:22:55.000 So, you know, I tried to do the lesson thing.

00:23:00.000 I even tried it again, you know, a few years ago.

00:23:03.000 And the guy that was trying to explain it to me, he made it more confusing for me than, you know, going into it.

00:23:12.000 So, I mean, for some people lessons are, I think for most people lessons are important.

00:23:17.000 But if you've already figured out how to do it, don't unfigure it.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, right?

00:23:22.000 I would imagine applying the system of notes to something that you've sort of intuitively picked up.

00:23:31.000 You figured out what sounds it makes while you're moving your fingers in different positions, and then you mimic the sounds you heard in albums?

00:23:39.000 How does one learn how to teach themselves how to play the guitar?

00:23:43.000 I started with an acoustic and was plunking around a little bit on that.

00:23:46.000 My sister played piano, and Joe, she was so awful. 0.91

00:23:49.000 I mean, the music coming out of our apartment sounded like two cats having sex.

00:23:55.000 And all I know is that there was an acoustic guitar there and I thought, I need to make some noise to drown out what she's doing. 0.94

00:24:02.000 And so that started it.

00:24:05.000 And she liked Cat Stevens.

00:24:07.000 We had a music book of the anthology for the Beatles, which is another huge band for me with my songwriting because of the weird chord structures.

00:24:14.000 They have We're good to go.

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:36.000 Part of that whole hippie movement.

00:24:38.000 And he actually went back to Afghanistan and changed his name back to Yusuf Islam, I think.

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 And boy, he had a beautiful voice.

00:24:47.000 That's one thing for sure.

00:24:49.000 I think he tours now, but I'm not sure if he tours as Cat Stevens or Yusuf Islam.

00:24:54.000 I feel like he was not in America, though.

00:24:57.000 Does he tour in America?

00:24:59.000 I think there was like an issue with the Salman Rushdie comments.

00:25:02.000 I think there was something going on when, you remember when Salman Rushdie, before he got attacked recently, like when they first instituted a fatwa on him, I think he supported it or something.

00:25:13.000 There was like some real issue.

00:25:15.000 He supported the fatwa or the chronicles?

00:25:18.000 Yeah.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, which was...

00:25:20.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:25:22.000 Google that.

00:25:23.000 I don't want to have to edit that out.

00:25:24.000 No upcoming events.

00:25:25.000 Did he support the fatwa on Salman Rushdie?

00:25:32.000 I'm not...

00:25:33.000 What was that called?

00:25:33.000 The Satanic Chronicles or something?

00:25:35.000 Yeah, the Satanic Verses.

00:25:36.000 Verses, yeah.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, and I guess people interpreted it as being about Muhammad.

00:25:41.000 He did?

00:25:42.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:42.000 What did he say?

00:25:43.000 It says it endorsed the...

00:25:45.000 made statements endorsing it.

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:48.000 Statements generated, yeah.

00:25:51.000 Which is crazy to say.

00:25:53.000 If a guy's a hippie from... 0.85

00:25:55.000 Cat in the cradle in the silver spoon.

00:25:57.000 Peace trains.

00:25:58.000 No, that's from somebody else.

00:25:59.000 Oh, who's that?

00:25:59.000 Yeah, who knows?

00:26:00.000 Who cares?

00:26:00.000 That's not him.

00:26:01.000 He's the peace train guy.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:26:03.000 Peace train, what else do you have?

00:26:04.000 Yeah.

00:26:05.000 T for the Tillerman steak for the sun.

00:26:07.000 That's maybe what you're thinking of.

00:26:09.000 He's got a great voice.

00:26:10.000 It's like very soothing and loving. 0.54

00:26:14.000 Meanwhile, he supports killing Salman Rushdie for writing a book.

00:26:17.000 I think when people say they support killing, I don't think they really understand what they're saying sometimes. 0.99

00:26:23.000 I think they're saying it, but if you were there while it was happening, while the guy was getting killed, you'd be fucking horrified. 0.80

00:26:30.000 What you're saying is that horrific violence is justified for someone writing something down. 0.98

00:26:38.000 That's crazy talk.

00:26:40.000 That's crazy.

00:26:41.000 Unless you don't know what horrific violence is, you're talking about it like it's some ethereal, non-existing, non-real thing because you haven't experienced it in real life.

00:26:52.000 Well, maybe he did experience a lot of it in the peace movement in the 60s and 70s because he probably got sick with America and going back to Afghanistan and changing your name probably had something that spurred that on.

00:27:06.000 It probably wasn't just a knee-jerk reaction.

00:27:09.000 I know that the music business is way, way different than it is now.

00:27:13.000 It's so different. 0.99

00:27:14.000 I don't know if those two things are related, but yeah, I'm sure the peace movement probably saw a lot of wild shit. 0.98

00:27:19.000 Well, he's a musician, right? 0.99

00:27:20.000 And the music business is what you survive in.

00:27:23.000 For example, Elvis, the way that his life ended and the way that the music business was back then, it was throw drugs at the problem, throw sex and money at the problem.

00:27:35.000 And I don't know that had he had...

00:27:39.000 Modern management or even if he was with, you know, somebody who, you know, like a handler, you know, that would say, hey, it's probably not a good idea for you to say that.

00:27:50.000 You know, nowadays we have people who are, their sole jobs are to help keep us from, you know, stepping on it, you know?

00:27:58.000 Right.

00:27:58.000 So, and I've got people around me, they used to be real busy with me, but, you know, fortunately growing up I've learned a lot of stuff that, you know, you can and can't say, so...

00:28:07.000 Well, specifically, I mean, in this day and age with social media, it's so easy for someone to just tweet something really ridiculous without someone saying, Kate, don't fucking say that. 0.96

00:28:18.000 You're on Adderall. 0.99

00:28:19.000 Sit down.

00:28:20.000 Don't write that down.

00:28:21.000 Don't say that.

00:28:22.000 You know, it's just back then.

00:28:25.000 Do you think that the drug and alcohol thing is the same today in music?

00:28:32.000 Or do you think it's less?

00:28:33.000 Do you think it's just not promoted by, I mean, what do you think the difference is between the influence of drugs and alcohol in the early days versus now?

00:28:43.000 Well, I think in the early days in the music business, first off, the drugs weren't as strong.

00:28:47.000 And, you know, they didn't have, like, for example, something as simple as, you know, the marijuana that I used to smoke when I was a kid versus what's being manufactured and grown nowadays is way different.

00:29:02.000 And I think that the stigmatism for people about smoking is less.

00:29:08.000 And I think that there's a lot of other things that people use out on the road to cope with things that could be dealt with with, you know, good management, good support system.

00:29:22.000 And most importantly, you know, Having somebody who's going to tell you the truth.

00:29:26.000 You know, I'm a grown-up, I'm a big boy, so when I have stuff happen in my career, And it could have been avoided or somebody didn't tell me and I find out later, that sucks.

00:29:37.000 And for a lot of people, when that stuff happens, they respond in a negative way with either self-sabotage or they medicate themselves.

00:29:47.000 And I remember back when I was drinking, there was a thing someone said at one of those meetings and I thought it was kind of clever.

00:29:55.000 The guy said, You know, I drank when my team won, and I drank when my team lost, and I drank when my team played, and I drank when my team was in the off-season, and I thought, all right, well, that's about me.

00:30:05.000 What team are we not rooting for anymore?

00:30:07.000 But, you know, there's so many reasons why people make it or don't make it in the music business, and I think, much like yourself, getting to know each other earlier this afternoon, You know, you have to take care of yourself.

00:30:21.000 You really, really do.

00:30:22.000 And there's so many things in the music industry that, you know, the history, the people that you're working with, you know, a lot of people don't want to say anything bad about somebody.

00:30:34.000 But, I mean, imagine how much better things would be if somebody really said, you know what, he's a nice guy, but he stole from us.

00:30:42.000 This guy is good at this, but he's terrible at that.

00:30:47.000 Everybody's afraid to offend anybody with stuff like that. 0.98

00:30:51.000 But yet, in other areas of life, offending people doesn't mean shit. 0.78

00:30:55.000 So we've had some times where we've had some people on our crew and tours that we've been on.

00:31:03.000 The last tour we were on, not my band, but another band, their bus drove right up to the Canadian border and the driver got out and left them all sitting there.

00:31:13.000 Why?

00:31:14.000 Why did he do that?

00:31:14.000 Because he had a DUI or something like that, and you can't get up into Canada.

00:31:17.000 Oh my god, that's hilarious.

00:31:19.000 It's so convoluted, all this stuff.

00:31:20.000 But see, back in the day, back in the 60s or 70s, I was talking about different eras, different messes, different managers...

00:31:27.000 You know, managers used to manage the mess. 0.50

00:31:30.000 They don't manage the mess anymore. 0.99

00:31:31.000 They don't want to tolerate that shit because there's always somebody around the corner that's ready to work harder than you. 0.99

00:31:36.000 It's like that motivational thing that Arnold said a long time. 1.00

00:31:40.000 Somebody's out there getting stronger, running farther, you know, all that stuff.

00:31:44.000 I love those motivational tapes.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, well, someone is out there doing it. 0.97

00:31:48.000 And if you do fuck up and you want to just take Xanax all day and do coke and you don't write new music, someone's going to come along. 0.95

00:31:55.000 They are. 0.97

00:31:56.000 And unfortunately, everybody...

00:31:59.000 But isn't that a part of, like, the whole rock and roll mystique?

00:32:02.000 A part of the whole mystique was the guy who did crazy drugs, was kind of half out of it, but would go on stage and be brilliant.

00:32:08.000 Sometimes.

00:32:09.000 You know, Keith Moon, you know, yeah, that worked for Keith.

00:32:13.000 But I think that's, you know...

00:32:15.000 A player like Keith is so all over the place.

00:32:17.000 He doesn't have a song with a pattern, so let's just go out there and just hit everything.

00:32:22.000 I know of a lot of musicians that...

00:32:26.000 We'll drink when they play.

00:32:27.000 I know a lot that don't.

00:32:29.000 I don't know very many anymore that do drugs.

00:32:32.000 That's just something that's been kind of...

00:32:36.000 Phased out?

00:32:37.000 Yeah.

00:32:38.000 Just because of the impact it has on your body?

00:32:40.000 Well, not only that, but the things that it makes the people do and the kind of people that are around that.

00:32:46.000 I think that, again, like I was saying, herb is less of a stigmatism, so people are a little bit more open with that.

00:32:52.000 But as far as Coming backstage and it's smelling like, you know, somebody's back there burning chemicals or something like that or, you know, people falling out in the hallway from heroin or, you know, tweaking around on meth or coke or something.

00:33:06.000 You know, we try and associate with people that are like-minded with us, you know, the people that are about their careers and that really are into taking care of themselves.

00:33:17.000 Two of the guys in Five Finger Death Punch do jiu-jitsu.

00:33:19.000 They have a sensei out with them.

00:33:22.000 We all are doing jiu-jitsu.

00:33:24.000 When we were out with Trivium, the singer for that band does to Jesus.

00:33:27.000 So we try and hang out with bands that are really health-centric, you know, that are really looking into, and not just from here down, but here up to.

00:33:35.000 When you were a kid and you first were hearing about bands and getting into bands, was that always a narrative?

00:33:45.000 Was that something that was discussed a lot, that like a lot of bands did drugs?

00:33:50.000 I don't think it was because it wasn't something we were preoccupied with.

00:33:55.000 At the time when I first started playing around by myself with other little small time outfits and stuff like that, it never was really drugs per se.

00:34:05.000 It would be like maybe get a six pack of air and maybe smoke a joint or something.

00:34:08.000 But it wasn't until Megadeth actually got going and we met Gar and some of the people in that circle where we started to experiment with other stuff.

00:34:20.000 And we had a manager at the time who was very, very bad off.

00:34:25.000 And he would try to always keep us loaded.

00:34:30.000 And we ended up having to fire the guy because it was for our own health and our own safety. 0.96

00:34:36.000 I mean, you know, if I was a cheap bastard and didn't have any money, I would say, this is great. 0.98

00:34:39.000 You got it for free. 0.98

00:34:40.000 But, you know, the thing was, you know, the guy was keeping several members of the band sick.

00:34:47.000 Yeah, there's guys that do that.

00:34:49.000 There are guys that do that.

00:34:50.000 There's guys that'll do that just to sort of corral you and keep control of you. 0.70

00:34:54.000 I've seen managers do that.

00:34:56.000 Brian Wilson's story was a great story, too.

00:34:59.000 What happened with Brian Wilson?

00:35:01.000 The movie that he had about the doctor that he had.

00:35:03.000 He had some psychiatrist that kept him all whacked out.

00:35:06.000 I watched the movie that Paul Garganimus, or whatever his name is, the one guy from Billions, was the doctor.

00:35:14.000 And I can't remember who played Brian Wilson, but it was a great movie.

00:35:18.000 What is it called?

00:35:19.000 It was the Brian Wilson story, I guess.

00:35:21.000 I don't know.

00:35:22.000 I haven't seen that one yet.

00:35:23.000 But John Cusack played it, and I know John Cusack's practitioner, too.

00:35:27.000 He'd trained over with Cincy Benny at the Jet Center, too.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, I remember he used him in one of his movies.

00:35:35.000 There it is.

00:35:36.000 Love and Mercy.

00:35:37.000 That's it.

00:35:40.000 Giamatti.

00:35:40.000 Paul Giamatti.

00:35:41.000 Oh, yeah, the guy from the Howard Stern movie, too.

00:35:44.000 That guy's awesome.

00:35:45.000 Yeah, that whole thing with psychiatrists or doctors or, you know, whether it's a manager or someone that you have that can get you drugs and that keeps you on them, that's how long...

00:36:00.000 Outstanding story.

00:36:01.000 That's been going on a long time.

00:36:03.000 Especially with really talented people, a lot of times that person, they can benefit financially from controlling them.

00:36:10.000 So they go, look, I'm just going to babysit you, keep you on drugs, and then suck money out of you. 1.00

00:36:16.000 And then there's a lot of those guys that wind up keeping these incompetent managers for years longer than they should because the guy gets them drugs, too.

00:36:23.000 Because the guy gets them girls, he gets them drugs, he sets up parties, he does all the stuff that doesn't help the band.

00:36:29.000 It doesn't help their music, but it helps keep him around.

00:36:33.000 In the picture.

00:36:33.000 Yeah.

00:36:34.000 Those guys are real.

00:36:36.000 I've met those guys in comedy, too.

00:36:37.000 They exist.

00:36:38.000 They exist.

00:36:40.000 It's always been a long-standing story in comedy.

00:36:46.000 Sam Kinison was into coke, and Richard Pryor famously had a problem.

00:36:50.000 But you only hear about those kind of people when they make the news, when something happened.

00:36:56.000 So I was always wondering, back in your day when you first started, was that a trope?

00:37:00.000 Was that something that was discussed a lot with rock stars?

00:37:02.000 Not in the news?

00:37:04.000 No, the drugs.

00:37:06.000 The drug thing.

00:37:06.000 Because it seems like so many guys from your era were doing drugs.

00:37:12.000 Yeah, they were.

00:37:12.000 Well, I'll give you a scenario.

00:37:15.000 When we got signed to Capitol, we went up into the tower.

00:37:17.000 We went into one of the little rooms there, and the guy slid his desk open, and there were lines everywhere.

00:37:23.000 So, yeah.

00:37:24.000 They gave us a box of Nike shoes and all the blow you could eat.

00:37:28.000 Wow.

00:37:29.000 That's crazy.

00:37:30.000 Yeah.

00:37:32.000 When I was a kid and when I worked at a comedy club, they offered me coke or money.

00:37:35.000 Or a combination of both.

00:37:37.000 You get paid in cash or coke.

00:37:39.000 I was like, this is crazy.

00:37:41.000 I heard about a band with a front man that I really respected that wanted to be paid in crack.

00:37:47.000 And I just thought, you know what, I've lost all respect for you now.

00:37:51.000 Well, maybe he knew he could get it at a good price and sell it on the road.

00:37:54.000 Yeah, you never know.

00:37:54.000 It's hard to get good crack.

00:37:56.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that get really lost on drugs.

00:38:01.000 But that's why I'm always happy to speak with a person like yourself that's, you know, had your problems and put them aside and bounced back and, you know, got healthy and is open about it.

00:38:13.000 You know, I think it's so important for guys to hear.

00:38:16.000 And also that it's a trap, too, that you can get sucked up into that trap.

00:38:20.000 You can be a good person, a solid person who's, you know, got confidence, you can accomplish things, but you can get still sucked in that trap.

00:38:28.000 Yeah, you can.

00:38:28.000 You can.

00:38:29.000 Because it's like...

00:38:31.000 people call it the big lie for a reason.

00:38:33.000 Yeah, the big lie.

00:38:35.000 They call the tour books the big lie, too.

00:38:37.000 So, speaking of touring...

00:38:39.000 The tour books?

00:38:40.000 Yeah, when you're out on tour, you know, you get these itineraries.

00:38:44.000 And I don't know when you travel, if you go for long stints at a time or not, or if the UFC, when they travel, if they go for long stints at a time.

00:38:53.000 But when we go, we usually have an itinerary, which is our little book.

00:38:57.000 And we call it the Book of Lies because all the information when the tour starts is all accurate.

00:39:01.000 But by the time you get out to that first date, stuff starts changing.

00:39:06.000 Oh, so you called that the big lie.

00:39:07.000 What was the longest time you've ever been on tour for?

00:39:10.000 72 weeks.

00:39:11.000 Oh my god!

00:39:14.000 Yeah.

00:39:15.000 That had to feel so bizarre when you came off the road after that much time.

00:39:19.000 Yeah, it was back in the day when beds had quarter slots on them too, so we were sitting in these cheap hotels and watching WGN all day long.

00:39:27.000 I sure learned a lot about the Atlanta Braves during that period, but yeah, it was rough.

00:39:32.000 Quarter slots mean you put a quarter in to pay for the television?

00:39:35.000 No, the bed would vibrate.

00:39:37.000 Oh! 0.60

00:39:38.000 Remember those?

00:39:39.000 That's like bygone past.

00:39:41.000 Boy, I do remember that now that you bring it up.

00:39:44.000 I don't think I ever experienced it personally, but I think I saw it in movies or something.

00:39:49.000 Maybe one time when I was a kid, they had that.

00:39:51.000 I don't know when they got rid of that, but that was the most bizarre thing.

00:39:54.000 Yeah.

00:39:55.000 We stayed at all those nice fine establishments.

00:39:58.000 Is that supposed to enhance sex? 0.64

00:40:00.000 You put a quarter in and your bed vibrates? 0.99

00:40:01.000 Well, if you're having sex with a bed, I guess. 0.77

00:40:04.000 Yeah, I don't understand why that would be a net benefit to have a vibrating bed, but people would pay for it.

00:40:09.000 I think everybody forgot about vibrating beds.

00:40:12.000 You might have just revived an industry.

00:40:14.000 There you go.

00:40:15.000 Because I completely forgot.

00:40:17.000 There it is.

00:40:18.000 Magic fingers.

00:40:19.000 Relaxation service.

00:40:21.000 For your comfort.

00:40:22.000 This bed is equipped with...

00:40:26.000 The same.

00:40:27.000 What is it?

00:40:28.000 The same magic fingers?

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 Why does it say the same?

00:40:33.000 I don't know.

00:40:33.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:40:34.000 Maybe it was...

00:40:35.000 It looks like they copyrighted it, so maybe people were trying to steal their...

00:40:41.000 But why was it saying...

00:40:42.000 That's why it's out of business.

00:40:45.000 They're terrible at marketing.

00:40:46.000 For your comfort, this bed is equipped with the same...

00:40:49.000 The same Magic Fingers Relaxation Service.

00:40:51.000 I think it's supposed to go all together.

00:40:53.000 Right, but that's terrible. 0.98

00:40:55.000 Like, shitty font, everything sucks. 0.88

00:40:57.000 Yeah, it's formatted wrong. 1.00

00:40:59.000 It's a whole sentence, but they put an image and they're stupid. 1.00

00:41:02.000 Pulling seven grand a month off of a bed. 1.00

00:41:04.000 What?

00:41:05.000 They can make seven grand a month just off each bed? 0.69

00:41:08.000 You just gotta put a vibrator in between the pillows. 1.00

00:41:10.000 Oh my god. 0.98

00:41:13.000 How ridiculous. 0.98

00:41:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:15.000 Shitty hotels, all that jazz.

00:41:17.000 And then coming back home after 72 weeks?

00:41:20.000 Is that what you said?

00:41:20.000 72 weeks in the road?

00:41:22.000 How long were you home for?

00:41:24.000 Let's see.

00:41:25.000 We went right in after that and did P-Sales, but who's buying?

00:41:28.000 And I think that record took a couple of months to make.

00:41:33.000 We weren't home for long.

00:41:34.000 We weren't home for long.

00:41:37.000 That's a hard life.

00:41:38.000 Yeah in the beginning it was a lot of traveling and since I was homeless you know having a hotel to live in and and a venue basically to live in that that was good for us you know David Ellison didn't have to go home ever because he had his family to fall back on I had no home to go to so I had to make it last and and So,

00:42:05.000 to a degree, being on tour in the venues, in the hotel rooms, it was a step up for me from being a fan.

00:42:13.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:42:15.000 It still had to be kind of...

00:42:17.000 I mean, for every musician, the dream is to record and to make a living touring and to have fans.

00:42:25.000 So, when you started having that...

00:42:27.000 I would imagine you would want to ride that as quickly and as long as possible.

00:42:32.000 Like, if I was in a band, I would imagine I would want to tour for 72 weeks in a row, too.

00:42:36.000 It's happening for you.

00:42:38.000 What was that like when, I mean, you were successful pretty early on in your life.

00:42:44.000 Like, how old were you when you were in your first band?

00:42:49.000 Panic was the band before Metallica, and that was only for a short period of time, and I was 20 when I was in Metallica, so I probably started when I was around maybe 17, 18. But just think of that, just that statement.

00:43:05.000 I was 20 when I was in Metallica. 1.00

00:43:10.000 Yeah, fuck you all. 1.00

00:43:12.000 That is crazy! 1.00

00:43:14.000 I was 20 when I was in Metallica.

00:43:17.000 That is a crazy statement.

00:43:19.000 Because if you just think about the average 20-year-old's life, and that, and that this is, look at you guys, little babies.

00:43:28.000 Yeah.

00:43:29.000 So cute.

00:43:30.000 That's amazing.

00:43:31.000 Does that freak you out when you look at that?

00:43:32.000 No, it doesn't.

00:43:36.000 It kind of brings me a little bit of some sadness.

00:43:39.000 Because of the way it went down with you guys?

00:43:41.000 Oh, I don't care about that, because Cliff.

00:43:44.000 Oh.

00:43:44.000 Yeah.

00:43:45.000 Yeah.

00:43:46.000 When you left Metallica, did you go right into Megadeth?

00:43:54.000 What did you do right after Metallica?

00:43:56.000 I think in my mind, I went right into Megadeth, but at the time, I was still kind of trying to, you know, Digest everything that took place.

00:44:09.000 Well, you were still only 20. Yeah, yeah.

00:44:12.000 The thing that bothered me the most was I had all my music and I left it behind and I said, don't use my music.

00:44:17.000 And of course they did.

00:44:18.000 Oh, really?

00:44:19.000 Yeah, they used it on the first record, on the second record.

00:44:22.000 There's parts of my music on a song on the third record.

00:44:25.000 All the solos on the first record are mine, except that they're just performed by Kirk.

00:44:30.000 Close, but not the same.

00:44:32.000 He's not a bad guitar player.

00:44:33.000 Did you get royalties for that?

00:44:35.000 Well, most of them, yeah, but Kirk got my royalties for Metal Militia for many, many years, and he has to see the check, so I know somebody saw that I wasn't getting paid.

00:44:46.000 So there's a sadness and bitterness.

00:44:48.000 Not bitterness.

00:44:49.000 I'm over it.

00:44:50.000 A little upset?

00:44:51.000 It's just money.

00:44:52.000 Like you said, at the end of the day, my happiness and my family, my wife and my children are more important to me than anything in this world.

00:45:02.000 I love our fans.

00:45:04.000 I have so many things in this life that I'm happy about.

00:45:09.000 Man, it's my family and obviously my relationship with God.

00:45:14.000 I take that very, very personal.

00:45:16.000 And I don't talk to people about it.

00:45:18.000 I don't push it on them at all.

00:45:21.000 It's my thing.

00:45:22.000 And I just look at it like where I'm at right now.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, 20 in Metallica.

00:45:28.000 And now, look at me, I'm 60 in Megadeth.

00:45:31.000 And I'm a Grammy winner.

00:45:33.000 I'm a New York Times bestselling author.

00:45:35.000 All these things that if...

00:45:37.000 You know, I was signing autographs the other day, Joe, and I had these boxes.

00:45:42.000 There was 3,000 jackets I had to sign.

00:45:45.000 And for a moment, I flashed back to elementary school when I was in front of the chalkboard.

00:45:49.000 I swear to God, and I had to write.

00:45:50.000 Did you ever have to do that?

00:45:52.000 Yeah, sure.

00:45:53.000 I don't know what brought that up, but I thought, oh my god, I can't even believe that.

00:45:57.000 And thinking about where I'm at now today and just how the slightest deviation from where I was going could have ended me up anywhere else in the world.

00:46:08.000 Because I wanted to do so many things.

00:46:09.000 I wanted to be a professional athlete.

00:46:12.000 I wanted to play baseball.

00:46:14.000 I had a cousin who was a fighter pilot, and I thought that would be really great too.

00:46:21.000 You know Dave, I think that's the case with a lot of people that wind up becoming successful at things They could have gone in a bunch of different directions They just chose to go in this one but they still have other interests in things because I think the type of people that become really successful like with you at playing guitar is There are the type of people that can kind of be good at anything.

00:46:40.000 They just have to love that thing Like I'm sure you love playing guitar, which is why you're so good at playing guitar if you loved something else As much as you love that, you'd be just as good at that.

00:46:50.000 I think it's an expression of who you are as a person.

00:46:53.000 I think that's one of the more unique things about guitar playing to me.

00:46:57.000 We were talking outside earlier about Gary Clark Jr., about if I listen to Gary Clark Jr.'s riffs, I can tell it's him.

00:47:05.000 His sound is so distinctive.

00:47:08.000 He's playing with the same instrument that other people play with, but his sound is so uniquely distinctive that I could pick it out.

00:47:14.000 And that that was the case with Hendrix, and that's the case with you.

00:47:17.000 It's the case with a lot of great guitarists.

00:47:19.000 Like, you hear the sound, and you know who's playing it, which is really crazy.

00:47:25.000 If you think about this instrument that basically anybody can buy, You can get them in so many different places, and so many people know how to play them.

00:47:32.000 But some people specifically, who they are, comes out in their music.

00:47:36.000 And as a fan of music, that's one of the cooler things about guitar playing to me, or any kind of music playing, is that there's an expression of who the person is who creates it that comes out when you listen to it.

00:47:48.000 You're a big Hendrix fan.

00:47:50.000 I love Hendrix.

00:47:51.000 I don't know if you knew this, but a couple years ago, before I got diagnosed, I had the privilege to do the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

00:47:59.000 The family did this thing where they go out and they have all these marquee players and they do Hendrix songs.

00:48:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:48:06.000 They asked me to go do that.

00:48:07.000 I thought, you know, I mean, I was not influenced by Hendrix at all, but I loved him as a musician and I respect his work, so yeah, I'll do it.

00:48:17.000 And, of course, I'm playing a Flying V, and he had a Flying V, so I had the Flying Vs painted like his, which was really cool.

00:48:25.000 I have two of them still.

00:48:26.000 I have one with the Wang Bar and one without.

00:48:28.000 I'm probably going to get rid of them at some point, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

00:48:32.000 But we did three songs, I think.

00:48:37.000 I think it was three songs we did, and he uses a Strat.

00:48:40.000 So the sound difference between a Flying V and a Strat is very significant.

00:48:44.000 And for me to try and work that out, I was having a hard time, and I want to just say this to share how cool these guys were.

00:48:52.000 Dweezil Zappa, I don't know if you know him.

00:48:54.000 I didn't know him very well.

00:48:56.000 Eric Johnson is another guy I don't know very well.

00:48:59.000 But I came out one day, and the two of those guys were sitting there working on my amps.

00:49:04.000 And I thought, wow, this is so rad because Eric is an amazing guitar player and Dweezil is no slouch on his own.

00:49:11.000 His dad, Frank Zappa, was an amazing guitar player too.

00:49:14.000 And they were sitting there working on my guitar sounds because they've been doing this Hendrix thing for so long.

00:49:19.000 They know how to make the instrument sound right.

00:49:21.000 And they did it.

00:49:23.000 I played it.

00:49:23.000 It felt awful because it wasn't what I was used to, but it sounded great.

00:49:28.000 And I was so grateful to those guys for doing that.

00:49:31.000 It was really neat, you know.

00:49:32.000 Being around the whole Hendrix family, listening to those songs, too, it's mind-blowing how much he influenced musicians.

00:49:40.000 Today?

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 I mean, if he was alive today, he'd be one of the greatest guitarists alive.

00:49:44.000 Not just one of the greatest ever.

00:49:45.000 Like, even though things...

00:49:48.000 Look at this right here.

00:49:49.000 That's his psychedelic V. Wow.

00:49:57.000 There was a bunch of photos that were released that someone sent me today.

00:50:03.000 I don't know when they came out, but it's Jimi Hendrix in Ringo Starr's apartment.

00:50:09.000 So you can find those.

00:50:10.000 There was like 10 of them that I'd never seen before.

00:50:12.000 Jimmy wearing this like cool blue suit hanging out in Ringo Starr's London apartment smoking cigarettes.

00:50:18.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 It's like he's cooking.

00:50:20.000 Look, he's on the kitchen stove.

00:50:22.000 Very interesting.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 Wild pictures.

00:50:25.000 And you think that guy was only 27 when he died, which is amazing if you go back and listen to some of his stuff.

00:50:30.000 Listen to Machine Gun, you know, listen to Voodoo Child, listen to All Along the Watchtower. 0.96

00:50:36.000 Yeah, there's the photos.

00:50:38.000 That's it.

00:50:39.000 See, that was different, man.

00:50:41.000 Look at that cool suit, man.

00:50:42.000 People would go and hang out, and there was no posses, and there was no shootings and stuff like that, and everybody loved to be around each other. 0.91

00:50:52.000 That says the time Ringo Starr evicted Jimi Hendrix from being a shitty tenant. 0.58

00:50:58.000 1967. Look, that's wild. 0.97

00:51:04.000 That might be clickbait, whether you evicted him for being a shitty tenant. 0.99

00:51:07.000 Who knows? 0.96

00:51:08.000 That doesn't look bad.

00:51:09.000 That's so cool, though. 1.00

00:51:10.000 Look at his fucking suit. 0.99

00:51:11.000 That's clean compared to my apartment growing up. 1.00

00:51:13.000 Well, his suit is amazing.

00:51:15.000 Did you ever have a blue velvet suit? 0.99

00:51:17.000 I mean, come the fuck on. 0.99

00:51:19.000 No. 1.00

00:51:20.000 It takes a lot of balls to wear a suit like that. 0.98

00:51:22.000 I may have when my mom was forcing me to be a Jehovah's Witness, though. 0.98

00:51:25.000 Who knows?

00:51:26.000 I could have had velvet everything.

00:51:28.000 What year did that happen?

00:51:30.000 Oh, God.

00:51:31.000 When I was seven.

00:51:34.000 Seven?

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 So do you remember a time before the Jehovah's Witness?

00:51:38.000 Do you remember having to join?

00:51:39.000 Barely.

00:51:40.000 Barely.

00:51:41.000 My mom and dad got divorced when I was four, like I said, so there was a lot of disruption.

00:51:47.000 My friend Kurt Metzger, who's a fantastic comedian, he was raised Jehovah's Witness. 0.98

00:51:53.000 He has some crazy fucking stories about it. 0.98

00:51:56.000 And he managed to escape. 0.99

00:51:58.000 And one of the things he said that it's helped him with is he sees cult-like thinking in political ideologies.

00:52:05.000 He sees it in social movements.

00:52:08.000 He's like, oh, you're not allowed to question this.

00:52:10.000 No, no, I grew up with this. 0.99

00:52:11.000 I know what the fuck this is. 1.00

00:52:12.000 This is a cult. 1.00

00:52:13.000 You just don't think it's a cult because you think you're out to do good.

00:52:17.000 And so you're not allowing any discourse or any discussion. 1.00

00:52:19.000 You're in a fucking cult. 1.00

00:52:20.000 You don't know when you're in a cult, but you're in a cult. 1.00

00:52:23.000 It's interesting to hear from guys like that.

00:52:25.000 It's like people who come from communist countries that become very conservative when they come to America.

00:52:30.000 They don't want to hear any Marxism talk. 1.00

00:52:32.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:52:33.000 We grew up in a communist country. 1.00

00:52:34.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

00:52:36.000 It's like that's how he is with what happened to him growing up as a Jehovah's Witness. 1.00

00:52:42.000 It's a weird religion.

00:52:45.000 What was weird about it?

00:52:47.000 Like, when did you realize that things were weird?

00:52:50.000 I mean, you're seven years old, that's probably the only life you know.

00:52:53.000 It wasn't that it was very far away from any other kind of religion.

00:52:57.000 You know, they believed in God and Jesus, and it was just the order of things, right?

00:53:02.000 And the thing that I didn't like was, you know, I'm a kid. 0.99

00:53:06.000 I want to watch fucking cartoons on the weekend. 0.98

00:53:08.000 I don't want to go out and sell these magazines, you know, and you go and knock on the door Saturday or Sunday morning. 0.99

00:53:14.000 Hi, I've got this magazine. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:53:18.000 Guys hung over, slams the door in your face, you know? 1.00

00:53:22.000 And that just was, I don't think, a cool way to have my childhood.

00:53:26.000 I wanted to watch Wonderama.

00:53:28.000 It definitely sucks, but do you think that any part of having a sucky childhood is responsible for, like, the amount of energy that you had that put into music?

00:53:38.000 I think sometimes when kids grow up in a sucky way, those are the kids with athletics that's often the case.

00:53:44.000 It's often the case with comedy.

00:53:46.000 When kids grow up in a sucky way with a lot of bad experiences, those are the ones who wind up pushing harder to do great things and other stuff.

00:53:54.000 I think it's the wolf nipping at your heels.

00:53:57.000 There's something there that just wants to keep you not looking back.

00:54:02.000 You don't feel stable ever. 0.79

00:54:04.000 You're stuck in this shitty place that you want to get out of as a young kid.

00:54:10.000 There's so many great artists, that's how they grew up. 1.00

00:54:14.000 They grew up in this place where childhood sucked, like assholes around you, and you wanted to get the fuck out of there. 0.99

00:54:21.000 That's such a reoccurring theme in people who become great artists. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

00:54:27.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 It's always interesting when you look back though, right?

00:54:33.000 Like being a person now who's gone through all that and you went from that and all the drugs and then into, was it Alcoholics Anonymous where you became a Christian?

00:54:44.000 Did you do it from getting sober or were you a Christian before that?

00:54:48.000 No.

00:54:48.000 Well, again, Jehovah's Witnesses are a form of Christianity.

00:54:54.000 Right, but not...

00:54:55.000 It's kind of recognized as sort of a cultish...

00:54:59.000 Well, they're all kind of...

00:55:00.000 Well, here's the thing, real simple.

00:55:02.000 I believe in Jesus.

00:55:03.000 I believe that God's God and Jesus is Jesus.

00:55:08.000 And the Holy Spirit's the Holy Spirit, and that's it.

00:55:10.000 And if you want to go to church, go to church.

00:55:12.000 And if you want to read the Bible, read the Bible.

00:55:14.000 And if you don't want to hear about it, don't listen. 0.52

00:55:16.000 And if you don't want people to tell you about it, then tell them to shut up.

00:55:20.000 For me, I try and set a good example with my behavior.

00:55:23.000 I don't ever try and...

00:55:30.000 Or even the same thing with drinking or anything like that.

00:55:35.000 There's nothing worse than a newly sober drunk.

00:55:38.000 So I try not to tell people how to live their life.

00:55:42.000 But one of the things I didn't like about that was They had this thing when they didn't agree with something.

00:55:50.000 The elders of the church would gather together and they would talk about the person in question and they would disfellowship them.

00:56:01.000 Or a lesser degree would be disassociate.

00:56:04.000 And what is disfellowship?

00:56:07.000 What does that mean?

00:56:07.000 You are ostracized.

00:56:09.000 Ostracized.

00:56:10.000 You still have to go to church.

00:56:12.000 You still have to show up.

00:56:13.000 You still have to do all of the rigmarole.

00:56:15.000 They cannot.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, they're not supposed to.

00:56:18.000 They're not supposed to.

00:56:20.000 My sister got disfellowshipped and the girl that brought the accusations against my sister had lied. 0.97

00:56:27.000 She had said something about my sister and this other dude being together and I knew that it wasn't true because my sister liked the other brother.

00:56:36.000 So she got disfellowshipped and that was pretty much when I started to want to get away from it all because You know, I wasn't really old enough to see any other inner workings of organized religion or stuff like that.

00:56:49.000 But there's a lot of exposés out on that.

00:56:50.000 How long does a disfellowship last?

00:56:52.000 Who knows?

00:56:53.000 They could just decide?

00:56:54.000 I guess.

00:56:55.000 And so it was sins.

00:56:58.000 You'd have to do a sin.

00:56:59.000 Is that what it is to get a transgression?

00:57:01.000 Something that was unacceptable in their eyes.

00:57:04.000 And then you got defellowshipped.

00:57:05.000 She did.

00:57:07.000 I mean, a person would get defellowshipped.

00:57:09.000 And so, what was wacky about it in relationship to standard Christianity? 0.95

00:57:15.000 Okay.

00:57:15.000 Well, I couldn't have any friends that were normal guys.

00:57:19.000 Like, you and me, we couldn't be friends because I would have been a witness and you would have been of the world.

00:57:24.000 Of the world.

00:57:25.000 I think they changed that now to non-believers or something.

00:57:28.000 They used to call them worldly people, right?

00:57:33.000 So you have to hang out with only Jehovah's Witnesses. 0.69

00:57:36.000 Yes.

00:57:36.000 And when you stood up at school, which back when I went to school, we were a very patriotic country and kids would stand up and they'd say the Pledge of Allegiance and do whatever.

00:57:48.000 But we could not.

00:57:49.000 We were supposed to stand with our hands at our sides.

00:57:52.000 And you did not get to celebrate Christmas.

00:57:55.000 You did not get to celebrate birthdays.

00:57:58.000 And that's enough right there to get just about any kid in their right mind to say, screw this.

00:58:03.000 You take away my birthday.

00:58:04.000 You take away Christmas.

00:58:05.000 You take away all celebrations.

00:58:07.000 And if I do something wrong, in your eyes, I'm set outside of the fence.

00:58:15.000 Uh-uh.

00:58:15.000 I don't want to be part of this.

00:58:17.000 So those are control issues, but was there anything wacky in their belief system that separated them from Christianity?

00:58:23.000 I'm not really totally aware of what Jehovah's Witnesses are into.

00:58:27.000 Right.

00:58:27.000 Well, again, they believe similar to what most Christians do.

00:58:31.000 I never really got into wanting to be part of that religion, so...

00:58:35.000 When did you bail?

00:58:37.000 Thirteen.

00:58:38.000 Thirteen, so right when you started playing music.

00:58:39.000 Perfect timing.

00:58:40.000 What a quick life right into some wild-ass music, though, to just have a life like that and then, bam, at 20, you're one of the founding members of Metallica.

00:58:50.000 That's crazy.

00:58:52.000 And then 40 years later, still banging.

00:58:55.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, thanks.

00:58:57.000 It's amazing.

00:58:58.000 Thanks.

00:58:59.000 But when did you get out of the Jehovah's Witness and into what we would call, what denomination are you involved in now?

00:59:07.000 Okay, so I had to do like any normal guy would do.

00:59:11.000 You get out of one thing that sucks, you do something else to extreme.

00:59:17.000 I bailed on the JW thing with my mom.

00:59:20.000 I ran away from home up to Idaho where my sister lived and she was practicing black magic. 0.96

00:59:26.000 So I got into black magic and she did not practice black.

00:59:31.000 She was doing white.

00:59:32.000 White magic. 0.86

00:59:33.000 But I had practiced some black magic on two people.

00:59:37.000 What does that mean?

00:59:38.000 I don't want to get into it, but what the whole thing is.

00:59:41.000 But as simply said, you have somebody that you don't like and the power of suggestion in your mind you could...

00:59:51.000 Say or do something and then hope and pray that something will take place that will even the score, so to speak.

01:00:00.000 Do I believe that if I prayed for your shirt to be white right now that it would happen?

01:00:05.000 Well, if...

01:00:06.000 You know, the powers that be, you know, the spirits of the universe want things to change.

01:00:12.000 I could be struck blind right now by a white light.

01:00:14.000 If he turned my shirt white, I think that'd be a waste of a curse.

01:00:17.000 It's really not a bad curse.

01:00:19.000 Well, so the curses I did, I did one-on-one guide it.

01:00:22.000 I was at school, and my nephew had told him that I was practicing Kung Fu Sun Tzu at the time.

01:00:30.000 So he was like the school tough guy, and it was my first day at school.

01:00:35.000 So he walked past me and sucker punched me in the stomach, and I buckled over, and I thought, oh, here we go. 0.98

01:00:41.000 This is going to suck, this school.

01:00:43.000 So we're going home, and the bus is a two-bus ride, a big bus to a small drop-off, a little bus out to where we lived, out in the rural area.

01:00:53.000 And we get off the first bus and everybody circles around and he's gonna beat me up and nothing happens and so I get in the bus and he gets in the bus and he walks out and elbows me in the back of the head when he's getting out and I had some chewing tobacco in my mouth so I swallowed it and I got so sick and I knew I had to do something that was gonna keep happening.

01:01:13.000 So I put a hex on him that he would get physically injured, and he did.

01:01:16.000 And the other hex that I did was the girl in night school we went to in Marina.

01:01:20.000 How did he get physically injured?

01:01:22.000 It was just something that had to do with... 1.00

01:01:25.000 But he sounds like an asshole. 1.00

01:01:28.000 Guys like that get hurt all the time. 1.00

01:01:29.000 He did get hurt. 1.00

01:01:30.000 Yeah, but do you think that he got hurt because you put a hex on him or do you think he got hurt because he's an asshole and he's probably doing stupid shit every day? 1.00

01:01:39.000 Guys like that always get hurt. 1.00

01:01:40.000 I think he got hurt because he's an asshole and I put a hex on him. 1.00

01:01:42.000 Both. 1.00

01:01:43.000 Both those things.

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:45.000 What's that like?

01:01:46.000 How do you do a hex?

01:01:48.000 The whole reason I wouldn't play Conjuring anymore was because it has the instructions on how to do it.

01:01:53.000 So I don't want anybody to learn how to do this.

01:01:55.000 But I will tell you this much.

01:01:57.000 It involved using some food sources and making an effigy of sorts.

01:02:04.000 And then you have to do certain things to identify the doll.

01:02:14.000 And then you...

01:02:18.000 Break off a leg or an arm of the doll, and it's basically what he did.

01:02:24.000 I broke the leg off, and the guy got in a car crash, and his leg got mauled.

01:02:27.000 And, you know, this was 45 years ago, so the statute of limitations have expired, but even still...

01:02:32.000 I don't think you can get in trouble for hexes.

01:02:35.000 Maybe.

01:02:35.000 In the spiritual world, you do.

01:02:37.000 Yeah, but I don't think there's a statute of limitations in the spiritual world.

01:02:40.000 No, there's not.

01:02:40.000 I think eternity meets eternity.

01:02:42.000 But the other one was much more fun.

01:02:44.000 I think you probably would have liked that more.

01:02:45.000 It was a sex hex I did on this girl. 1.00

01:02:47.000 You did a sex hex? 0.95

01:02:48.000 On this girl named Susanna.

01:02:49.000 And I went to night school.

01:02:50.000 That would be a good band, too.

01:02:51.000 And we were...

01:02:53.000 I mean, I was like a skinny, red-headed kid going to night school after surfing.

01:02:58.000 And she would be there, and everyone loved her.

01:03:01.000 And I was just some sweaty kid, you know.

01:03:05.000 And...

01:03:06.000 She came to my house one night to go buy some hash because I had a roommate that was selling pot and hash and stuff. 0.99

01:03:14.000 So I had already done this incantation on this girl.

01:03:21.000 Can I ask before you go any further what you use for a good incantation versus a bad one?

01:03:27.000 Like if you're going to do a sex hex, do you make a doll?

01:03:30.000 No.

01:03:31.000 You don't have to make a doll?

01:03:32.000 No.

01:03:32.000 What do you have to do?

01:03:33.000 Paper.

01:03:34.000 Paper?

01:03:35.000 Yeah.

01:03:35.000 You just gotta conjure something down on paper?

01:03:39.000 No.

01:03:40.000 Conjuring is in the air.

01:03:41.000 A paper you would write. 0.97

01:03:42.000 Okay, so you write something down on paper and that conjures the sex sex?

01:03:47.000 No, you have to do a prayer to invoke a spirit to be conjured.

01:03:53.000 So, anyway, so the girl, everybody loved her and they thought she was just so great.

01:03:57.000 And, you know, I liked her too and I just, we'll see if this works.

01:04:01.000 So you wrote some stuff down.

01:04:02.000 Yeah.

01:04:03.000 Do you have to write it in a specific language?

01:04:06.000 English.

01:04:07.000 English.

01:04:07.000 It's English.

01:04:07.000 So I wrote her name, my name, and I drew some little pictures on there.

01:04:11.000 And then I burnt it and then said a prayer.

01:04:15.000 And the next night she came over to my apartment to buy this hash, right?

01:04:19.000 And, you know, I don't know anything about anything.

01:04:21.000 So she comes in and she goes, Hey, what's your sign?

01:04:24.000 And I said, I'm a Virgo.

01:04:25.000 She goes, oh, my horoscope says I'm supposed to make love to a Virgo in a tropical surrounding.

01:04:29.000 And I went and screwed a black light bulb in my bathroom and plugged the tub and said, here's a waterfall, let's go.

01:04:35.000 And I completely forgot about it until the next morning when I woke up.

01:04:40.000 She had these geraniums in her hair, those red little flowers, and they were all over my bedroom, all over my bed.

01:04:46.000 And that's the only way I even remembered.

01:04:48.000 Are you sure that wasn't just because you're a cute guy and you were good at guitar and she liked you?

01:04:54.000 No.

01:04:54.000 No?

01:04:55.000 You looked cute to me when you were 20. She was like the most prettiest girl in school.

01:05:01.000 Maybe she liked musicians.

01:05:03.000 I don't know.

01:05:03.000 You really think it was the sex ex?

01:05:05.000 No, I think it's all make-believe, actually.

01:05:08.000 Oh, you're being sarcastic.

01:05:10.000 See how he's doing?

01:05:11.000 No, I'm not.

01:05:12.000 I think a lot of it is power of suggestion, you know?

01:05:16.000 Mmm, I wonder.

01:05:17.000 That'd be pretty crazy if you could actually do that, though.

01:05:19.000 That sounds like a Stephen King movie. 0.85

01:05:20.000 Well, you've seen people that like the great, whatever his name is, the guy that can bend the spoons and shit with his mind and stuff. 0.92

01:05:26.000 Right, right. 0.96

01:05:26.000 There's a lot of people, but you know how they do that? 0.96

01:05:28.000 They have a very specific spoon, and it reacts to the heat of you rubbing your fingers on it.

01:05:33.000 Oh, now you've ruined it!

01:05:35.000 Sorry.

01:05:36.000 Sorry, it's not magic.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, well.

01:05:38.000 I'm not opposed to believing in magic.

01:05:39.000 What's his name?

01:05:39.000 Krasinski.

01:05:40.000 The great Krasinski.

01:05:41.000 No, that's not his name.

01:05:41.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:05:42.000 I mean, James Randi did it, and he's a non-believer.

01:05:45.000 But, I mean, Penn and Teller can do it.

01:05:46.000 All those magicians can do it.

01:05:48.000 I saw Banachek do it in person.

01:05:50.000 I saw him do it in front of my face.

01:05:51.000 He did it. 0.99

01:05:52.000 And he didn't tell her those guys are yes, they're amazing They're amazing and they're so good for for magic too because you they'll tell you that it's bullshit And you know they're oh, I've seen that show Yeah, well that the show bullshit was about all kinds of things some of the things that aren't even bullshit like yoga But one of the things that they were doing was like doing magic and letting you in on the joke Like letting you know that it's bullshit, 0.89

01:06:14.000 but still doing it in such an amazing way that you were blown away by it genius show Anyway, I don't not believe in magic. 0.92

01:06:25.000 It could be real.

01:06:26.000 I just haven't seen it.

01:06:28.000 Weird things can happen with people's minds, especially when people believe things.

01:06:33.000 I'm not exactly sure if I understand the interface between people's minds.

01:06:39.000 I think there's a lot more going on with people and their minds, like the way we interact with each other, than I think we would like to believe.

01:06:46.000 We like to believe that we're independent thinkers and that we're not that influenced by other people's thoughts.

01:06:52.000 But I think we are in a big way.

01:06:53.000 Oh, you certainly are.

01:06:54.000 But imagine the propaganda that they could say, like, if this whole thing...

01:06:57.000 Here's an example of what we're talking about, magic.

01:07:00.000 I had heard that David Copperfield had marched an elephant out into the middle of the Lakers...

01:07:05.000 Court.

01:07:06.000 This is what I heard.

01:07:07.000 It was a magic trick, and he made it disappear or something like that during halftime.

01:07:10.000 Now, I don't have any proof to that. 1.00

01:07:12.000 I don't know if it was ever a real story, if it was just some idiot talking. 1.00

01:07:14.000 Let's find out. 1.00

01:07:15.000 Let's Google it.

01:07:16.000 We need to Google that one, because if he did, we'd need to have a talk with Mr. Copperfield.

01:07:20.000 He might know some things.

01:07:22.000 I mean, if you had real magic, and that's what you did, you just decided to do a Las Vegas show.

01:07:27.000 There it is, The Vanishing Elephant.

01:07:28.000 So this was on television?

01:07:30.000 Is that what this was?

01:07:31.000 He supposedly did it at the Lakers.

01:07:33.000 So he closes the gate?

01:07:41.000 Then a puff of smoke.

01:07:43.000 Oh, they're going to show you how the trick is going.

01:07:44.000 And then two hours go by.

01:07:50.000 Yeah, they're showing how they do it.

01:07:51.000 The unmasked magician guy.

01:07:53.000 Yeah.

01:07:53.000 When he went and ruined everyone's fun.

01:07:57.000 Okay, in case anybody needs to get rid of an elephant.

01:08:00.000 Here's what you don't see.

01:08:01.000 There are mirrors hidden inside each of the bars of the cage. 1.00

01:08:05.000 Aw, you bastards! 1.00

01:08:11.000 Oh, that's genius! 1.00

01:08:21.000 Ah!

01:08:23.000 He's still there.

01:08:26.000 Genius! 1.00

01:08:31.000 Fucking genius. 1.00

01:08:33.000 I still did it. 1.00

01:08:33.000 There you go. 1.00

01:08:34.000 It's a trick.

01:08:35.000 It's a trick just like the sex hex.

01:08:37.000 You ruined it!

01:08:40.000 Jamie's got some paper right now. 0.83

01:08:42.000 He's writing some sex hexes.

01:08:43.000 I saw them.

01:08:43.000 Alright, I'll do a sex hex between you and Jamie and we'll see if it works.

01:08:47.000 No, don't do that. 0.83

01:08:47.000 It'll ruin our relationship. 0.83

01:08:49.000 Alright, I'm sorry, Joe.

01:08:51.000 There's no need for this, Dave.

01:08:52.000 Okay, let's explain.

01:08:54.000 Um, so, but when did you become a born-again Christian?

01:08:57.000 Like, what year did that take place?

01:09:00.000 Um...

01:09:02.000 God, you know, it just was such a natural thing, I can't even remember when it was.

01:09:06.000 I was in Texas, in Hunt, Texas.

01:09:09.000 Remember how old you were?

01:09:11.000 Not too long ago, maybe 15, 20 years ago, maybe.

01:09:14.000 Okay, so this is after all the chaos.

01:09:17.000 I mean, Jamie could find it, because they made fun of me a lot.

01:09:19.000 Who was they? 0.95

01:09:21.000 People on the net and shit like that. 1.00

01:09:22.000 Those terrible people. 0.97

01:09:23.000 Just saying that I would get wimpy with my playing, and it certainly didn't change anything, because, you know, when I... If you look at any of my lyrics, a lot of them are from the book of Revelation and Daniel.

01:09:34.000 There's a lot of, you know, those scary nightmare stuff that they talk about.

01:09:38.000 Like, Washington is Next is about Daniel talking about dreams and interpreting dreams.

01:09:45.000 And, you know, Holy Wars, of course, Blackmail the Universe.

01:09:49.000 There's so many, many, many songs that talk about, you know, End time stuff, you know, stuff that's gone on during time, any kinds of super awesome stuff like with the spiritual stuff in nature where great things happen to good people,

01:10:06.000 you know.

01:10:07.000 Like on our new album, Soldier On is a song about...

01:10:12.000 Kind of walking away from something.

01:10:14.000 Some people have said that it's a song about abandonment and some people said it's about perseverance.

01:10:19.000 For me, the song is about knowing somebody in your life, like you and I talked about earlier, the difference between people who make it and who don't.

01:10:26.000 You have to make that painful decision to walk away.

01:10:29.000 And in that song, I talk about somebody that I knew that was making some really bad decisions in their personal life.

01:10:35.000 And that I needed to walk away from it.

01:10:37.000 I needed to soldier on in order to take care of myself.

01:10:41.000 You know, it's like the masks that come down in the airplane. 0.98

01:10:44.000 They say, you know, if you're traveling with a little bastard and he's fighting you, you know, put your mask on, let him pass out. 0.96

01:10:49.000 And then put your mask on him after you're safe. 0.99

01:10:52.000 That's how they should say it.

01:10:53.000 That's how they should say it.

01:10:55.000 Yeah, you have to be safe first.

01:10:57.000 You always have to put your mask on first.

01:10:59.000 Or carry oxygen.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, but if you do that and you're the responsible one, that's the idea behind it, right?

01:11:05.000 Right. 0.98

01:11:05.000 You don't want to be out cold with a five-year-old trying to figure out what the fuck to do. 0.98

01:11:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:11:09.000 I should have a parachute.

01:11:10.000 Even then...

01:11:11.000 Can opener.

01:11:12.000 Yeah, even then.

01:11:14.000 So when you first became a born-again Christian, and then there was this, whatever, what you'd call a backlash.

01:11:24.000 That's died off, though.

01:11:25.000 Sure it has.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, because people realized you didn't change the way, I mean, you just...

01:11:29.000 I changed internally.

01:11:31.000 My heart had to change.

01:11:31.000 But I mean, the music was still just as hard.

01:11:34.000 I mean, everything was still...

01:11:36.000 So it's like, people want this...

01:11:38.000 People are very afraid of people changing.

01:11:41.000 You know, very afraid of like...

01:11:43.000 I was just thinking that right when you said that.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 They're often afraid of artists changing too.

01:11:47.000 Like even though like artists like oftentimes want to make different kinds of music.

01:11:51.000 Oh, come on, you remember when Coke changed its formula to new Coke?

01:11:55.000 What the hell's wrong with you people?

01:11:56.000 That didn't make any sense, because did they keep original Coke, too?

01:12:00.000 Did they have the original Coke?

01:12:01.000 I don't know.

01:12:01.000 Do you know the whole story behind Coke and one of the reasons why I think they changed it to new Coke?

01:12:06.000 No, but I know the really old, old Coke.

01:12:09.000 Well, Coke was still, not old, old Coke, still, new Coke, the Coke that you have not right now, not new Coke, the flavor, but Coke that's available in 2022. It's made with cocaine.

01:12:20.000 They process cocaine.

01:12:22.000 They take out all the cocaine, and that's part of the flavor of the Coke formula.

01:12:27.000 This is like fact.

01:12:28.000 It sounds like conspiracy theory.

01:12:29.000 But if you find that the company in this country that processes the most medical, pharmaceutical cocaine is the same company that supplies the...

01:12:39.000 Let's make sure this is true. 0.99

01:12:41.000 God damn. 0.99

01:12:42.000 I guess if you find somebody in the parking lot with a bunch of Coke cans laying around him, you know what he's OD'd on. 1.00

01:12:46.000 No, it doesn't have cocaine in it.

01:12:48.000 The original Coca-Cola had cocaine in it, but the Coca-Cola of today is free of cocaine, but it gets flavoring from coca leaves.

01:12:57.000 Yeah, the guarana.

01:12:59.000 Remember that stuff down in Brazil?

01:13:01.000 Yeah, guarana.

01:13:02.000 That's a different thing.

01:13:03.000 That's actually like a stimulant, more of like a caffeine.

01:13:07.000 That's like in acai.

01:13:08.000 That has guarana berries.

01:13:09.000 I love that stuff.

01:13:10.000 That stuff's great, but they use these coca leaves, they process them, they take out all the cocaine, and it's part of the secret flavor of Coca-Cola.

01:13:19.000 Because whenever anybody does a cola, like RC Cola or something like that, it tastes good, but it doesn't taste like Coca-Cola.

01:13:25.000 They don't exactly get it right, right? 0.98

01:13:27.000 That Coca-Cola taste everybody fucking loves. 0.97

01:13:30.000 Well, part of that Coca-Cola taste comes from coca leaves. 0.98

01:13:34.000 So let's make sure that's true.

01:13:36.000 It's so terrible.

01:13:37.000 I'm pretty much 100% positive that's true.

01:13:40.000 I've not tried any cocaine.

01:13:42.000 No, no, no, no.

01:13:42.000 Mexican Coca-Cola?

01:13:44.000 Yes, I have with sugar, cane sugar in it. 0.86

01:13:47.000 Yeah, it's delicious.

01:13:48.000 It's very good.

01:13:48.000 You can get that in California.

01:13:50.000 Yes, sir.

01:13:51.000 Can you get it in Tennessee?

01:13:52.000 Can you?

01:13:52.000 Yes, sir.

01:13:53.000 They ship it over in the bottles?

01:13:54.000 Yeah.

01:13:54.000 You got something good?

01:13:56.000 No.

01:13:56.000 Jamie?

01:13:57.000 I think he's sleeping.

01:13:58.000 Okay.

01:13:58.000 No, there's something in there for sure.

01:14:00.000 I know it's a true story.

01:14:03.000 So once he finds a good version of it, we'll read it.

01:14:06.000 But the crazy history of Coca-Cola is really interesting.

01:14:11.000 I mean, it really originally was like a cocaine supplement.

01:14:14.000 Like you drink Coca-Cola and you get a little jolt of cocaine, which was normal.

01:14:21.000 Okay.

01:14:22.000 Pharmacist John Pemberton invented Coca-Cola in 1885, making the original formula for the beverage in its backyard.

01:14:28.000 He advised Coca-Cola as a patent medicine that could cure headaches, upset stomach, and fatigue.

01:14:35.000 Patent medicines weren't regulated.

01:14:36.000 They often contained addictive ingredients like cocaine and opium and toxic ingredients like mercury and lead, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

01:14:45.000 The NIDA said in a 2020 blog post that Pemberton's recipe contained cocaine in the form of an extract of the coca leaf, inspiring part of the soft drink's name.

01:14:55.000 The coca leaf in its natural form is a harmless and mild stimulant compared to coffee.

01:15:01.000 But cocaine can be extracted from its leaves according to the Transitional Institute.

01:15:06.000 That's why people chew it.

01:15:07.000 When they chew the coca leaves, it's really like a mild stimulant.

01:15:10.000 Gregory Collins, PhD and Associate Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Texas, San Antonio, also told Verify that the cocaine alkaloid is present at very low levels in less than 1% in most coca leaves.

01:15:23.000 The cocaine alkaloid can then be extracted and purified to produce the drug cocaine.

01:15:29.000 Coca-Cola likely contained cocaine alkaloid as part of the coca leaf extract at very low concentrations and similar to the coca leaf teas.

01:15:37.000 Cocaine was legal and a common ingredient in US medicines aimed at curing a wide range of ailments when Coca-Cola was invented, which is pretty wild, according to NIDA. People thought cocaine was safe to use in small amounts at the time.

01:15:51.000 It probably is.

01:15:52.000 In 1970, cocaine became an expensive recreational drug.

01:15:55.000 Now, find out about Coca-Cola in today's form, because in today's form, I know they use something from the coca leaves.

01:16:06.000 They're trying to say, despite this, Coca-Cola US directed, verified to a statement that says, cocaine has never been an added ingredient in Coca-Cola, and the drink does not currently contain cocaine or any other harmful substances.

01:16:23.000 Now, it doesn't contain cocaine anymore, but I think it's flavored.

01:16:27.000 With the coca leaves.

01:16:28.000 I think they use coca leaves and I'm pretty sure that the company that does it also makes, I think they process out the cocaine and they use that for medical grade cocaine.

01:16:38.000 Which is still a thing.

01:16:40.000 Lidocaine, I believe, comes from that as well.

01:16:42.000 Which they use as a...

01:16:44.000 Well, yeah, they use it for other things, too.

01:16:46.000 It's like an anesthetic.

01:16:49.000 That's it, exactly.

01:16:50.000 It numbs you, I guess.

01:16:52.000 So does boring people.

01:16:54.000 What's that?

01:16:54.000 So does boring people.

01:16:55.000 Yeah, boring people numbs them. 0.99

01:16:57.000 Or just putting them in a job that sucks, that numbs them, too. 0.87

01:17:00.000 But it's not as effective, apparently, as cocaine. 0.92

01:17:05.000 That used to be the thing that people did when they would go to parties.

01:17:08.000 Just do a little cocaine, have some fun.

01:17:10.000 End up in the bathroom.

01:17:12.000 Yeah.

01:17:13.000 Now with fentanyl being added to cocaine, you're taking a giant risk.

01:17:18.000 It's the number one cause of death between people 18 to 49 in this country now.

01:17:23.000 Speedballs?

01:17:24.000 Well, it's that they don't think they're getting a speedball.

01:17:27.000 They think they're getting cocaine.

01:17:28.000 They're getting cocaine that's cut with fentanyl or they think they're getting ecstasy.

01:17:31.000 They're getting ecstasy that's cut with fentanyl or street Xanax.

01:17:35.000 There's a lot of different things that people get that they don't know.

01:17:37.000 I'm so glad I don't know all this anymore.

01:17:39.000 Fentanyl, the doses that kill you are so small. 0.99

01:17:43.000 Not even as big as a pencil eraser will fucking kill you. 0.99

01:17:48.000 It's really potent stuff. 0.99

01:17:50.000 I mean, in a flat circle, like the size of a pencil eraser.

01:17:55.000 I don't even mean like a thickness. 0.99

01:17:56.000 That will fucking for sure kill you. 0.99

01:17:58.000 But just the surface area of the eraser of a pencil will kill you. 1.00

01:18:03.000 It's a terrible, terrible thing.

01:18:07.000 Okay, just one company in the U.S. is licensed to import and process coca leaves.

01:18:11.000 The Stephen Company of Northfield, Illinois.

01:18:14.000 After Stephen processes coca leaves at its Maywood, New Jersey plant, it extracts the cocaine.

01:18:19.000 The company uses the spent leaves to create a cocaine-free extract and sends the extract to Coca-Cola.

01:18:27.000 Good, I was right.

01:18:28.000 Coca-Cola is grandfathered in as far as receiving the extract.

01:18:32.000 It's the only company in the U.S. licensed to have it, making it the only soft drink to have coca leaf extract as one of its ingredients. 0.98

01:18:40.000 Pretty fucking wild. 0.53

01:18:42.000 The cocaine that's been extracted from the leaves is sold to malign-cropped Pharmaceuticals, the only company in the U.S. licensed to purify cocaine for medical use, specifically cocaine hydrochloride, a prescription jug used in hospitals as a local anesthetic by eye, 0.99

01:18:59.000 ear, nose, and throat doctors.

01:19:02.000 Malinkopt is a longtime St. Louis company that was sold in 2000, but its operations headquarters is still based in St. Louis. 0.99

01:19:12.000 Wild shit. 0.99

01:19:14.000 Did you ever chew cocoa leaves? 1.00

01:19:16.000 No, I used to stick paste in my nostrils.

01:19:18.000 Hey! 0.99

01:19:19.000 That's more effective. 0.99

01:19:22.000 I was just thinking that right now, you're talking about all those gorillas dragging backpacks full of shit up into America, or getting it into the vacuum coming up to America, some of this stuff. 1.00

01:19:35.000 You were talking about them chewing, and I just pictured guys stuffing that stuff from the pirate. 0.99

01:19:43.000 Movie with Tom Hanks in it.

01:19:45.000 What was that stuff?

01:19:45.000 Oh cat cat.

01:19:46.000 Yes.

01:19:47.000 Yeah.

01:19:47.000 Yeah, that's a that's a some weird narcotic, right?

01:19:51.000 Yeah cat is it's khat.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, I think that's another kind of an alkaloid That's a stimulant that's supposed to have almost like methamphetamine effects.

01:20:02.000 Hmm.

01:20:03.000 I don't know.

01:20:04.000 I thought it was supposed to be more like opiates, but I I feel like it's like a speed.

01:20:08.000 I'm pretty sure it's a speed.

01:20:10.000 Again, I don't know anybody who's tried that stuff though.

01:20:13.000 That sounds pretty interesting.

01:20:14.000 Yeah.

01:20:15.000 Did you find any of that?

01:20:16.000 Cat? 1.00

01:20:17.000 What is that shit? 1.00

01:20:18.000 That was a good movie. 1.00

01:20:19.000 That was a good movie.

01:20:19.000 I thought so.

01:20:20.000 Oh, I never saw that movie, unfortunately.

01:20:22.000 Cat is a stimulant and chewing it can make people more alert and talkative, produce feelings of elevation, suppress the appetite.

01:20:29.000 Huh.

01:20:30.000 Yeah.

01:20:32.000 Isn't it more potent than that?

01:20:34.000 Yeah.

01:20:34.000 I think they're being really...

01:20:36.000 They're probably selling it.

01:20:37.000 They're being pretty liberal, yeah.

01:20:39.000 Pretty general in their talk, I guess.

01:20:41.000 Do you know how that all started?

01:20:43.000 The pirate thing?

01:20:45.000 Mm-mm.

01:20:45.000 It started from people...

01:20:47.000 They were originally just fishermen, and people were dumping shit off the coast of Somalia. 0.88

01:20:53.000 Yeah. 0.77

01:20:53.000 I think they called themselves the People's Coast Guard of Somalia. 0.77

01:20:57.000 Google that, the People's Coast Guard of Somalia.

01:20:59.000 I'm pretty sure that's what they originally started calling themselves.

01:21:01.000 They were fishermen who were dealing with people dumping toxic waste into the ocean, and they were killing all the fish.

01:21:08.000 So they were violating international law, these people that were doing that.

01:21:11.000 So what they would do is they'd kidnap those people and hold them for ransom from what they did to the ocean. 0.95

01:21:15.000 And then they realized, well, fuck this, let's just start kidnapping people. 0.99

01:21:18.000 And then they'd just chewing cat and jacking people. 0.99

01:21:22.000 Here it is.

01:21:23.000 Somalis initially banded together to protect more than a thousand miles of the country's coastal waters from illegal fishing vessels and the dumping of toxic waste.

01:21:31.000 When Mohammed Sal Bar was ousted in 1991, Somalia disintegrated into warring clans, each with its own militia.

01:21:40.000 Fourteen different national governments followed, but have failed to unite the country.

01:21:44.000 Ethiopia inspired and supported...

01:21:48.000 Yeah, so they started off just trying to protect their waters.

01:21:53.000 They got turned into characters in a Tom Hanks movie.

01:21:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:58.000 I didn't see that movie. 0.81

01:21:59.000 That seems like it would really suck.

01:22:01.000 I remember when they had that thing going off the coast in the Gulf.

01:22:09.000 What was that?

01:22:10.000 That Deepwater something?

01:22:13.000 Deepwater Horizon?

01:22:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:14.000 That was gnarly.

01:22:16.000 That was really gnarly.

01:22:17.000 I remember seeing pictures of the smoke coming up off of the sea when you're flying.

01:22:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:23.000 And people were taking pictures up there.

01:22:25.000 I don't know how many of them were from Skylab.

01:22:27.000 A lot of them looked like they were just commercial pictures, but boy, that was sketchy. 0.93

01:22:31.000 That's what's so nuts about pulling stuff out of the ocean, pulling oil out of the ocean, when you realize they have to cap a broken pipe at the bottom of the fucking ocean that's spewing oil out. 0.66

01:22:43.000 And you're like, hey, do you guys have a backup plan? 0.93

01:22:45.000 Can you do this quick?

01:22:47.000 How long does this take?

01:22:48.000 And it turns out it takes a long-ass time.

01:22:50.000 It sure does.

01:22:51.000 Is that it right there?

01:22:52.000 You can see it from the sky?

01:22:54.000 Is that a satellite view of it?

01:22:56.000 That's not the smoke, though.

01:22:58.000 Is that just the oil spill?

01:22:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:00.000 Holy shit! 0.99

01:23:02.000 You can see it from space! 1.00

01:23:04.000 Well, fortunately, the ocean is really fucking big.

01:23:07.000 So even when they cap these things, even when they dump trillions of gallons, it's temporarily horrific.

01:23:13.000 But the ocean eventually sort of gets back into form.

01:23:16.000 Absorbs it, yeah.

01:23:17.000 Look at that.

01:23:18.000 Look at the fires, though, that are coming off of that thing.

01:23:20.000 That is so crazy that that's in the middle of the ocean, that a hole that we dug into the ground is on fire, and fire right through the ocean.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, that's pretty gnarly. 0.94

01:23:33.000 Oh my god, we're so nuts.

01:23:35.000 To be able to do that, that to me is a lot like the early nuclear power reactors, the problem with the Fukushima thing.

01:23:43.000 They didn't have an ability to shut them off.

01:23:46.000 What are you doing?

01:23:47.000 No contingency plan.

01:23:48.000 What are you doing?

01:23:49.000 You guys, you're literally making nuclear waste.

01:23:53.000 You've got a nuclear reactor going and you can't shut it off.

01:23:57.000 You know, we have a song on the new record about Chernobyl.

01:23:59.000 Oh, yeah?

01:24:01.000 It's called The Dogs of Chernobyl, which was about when people got the evacuation notice.

01:24:06.000 I had watched that B movie.

01:24:09.000 It was just something like an extreme vacation thing where these guys were going into Chernobyl.

01:24:14.000 And then they had something else that was on TV in LA. I think it was a series on Chernobyl.

01:24:21.000 And a lot of people thought that I wrote that about that.

01:24:24.000 But I'd watched that other movie and there was a scene where the kids that had gone on this extreme vacation had seen all the dogs that were left behind in Pripyat, in the city where Chernobyl is.

01:24:34.000 And the song, believe it or not, is...

01:24:38.000 It's a love song.

01:24:39.000 It talks about abandonment and where the person realizes the girl, the person he loves or whoever, left him behind without a peep.

01:24:52.000 And he's like one of the dogs at Chernobyl because I was listening to the movie and watching the guy and he said they just left.

01:24:59.000 And imagine what it must have been like to be a pet owner and having to leave and you can't take your pets.

01:25:03.000 Well, imagine what it's like to be the pet and be completely abandoned or whatever.

01:25:08.000 Yeah, so I use a lot of weird metaphors like that.

01:25:11.000 When you were saying about, you know, the meltdown and stuff, I did a lot of research.

01:25:16.000 In fact, my radiologist who did my treatment for my cancer helped me write some lyrics on the end part of that because I wanted to know what the terminology is.

01:25:25.000 I mean, you seem very...

01:25:29.000 Well, with your vocabulary, I know what I'm trying to say, but I didn't know a lot of the terminology that I want to use with radiation chemotherapy, any of that kind of stuff.

01:25:40.000 So I asked him and he came back with this stuff that was magnificent about radiation poisoning and all the different stages.

01:25:48.000 That's an interesting thing for me too, just not being an observer in life and making sure that when I meet people, just kind of try and learn a little bit about them.

01:25:56.000 When you were talking about the meltdown again, it's like I can see so many pictures from that movie.

01:26:07.000 And trying to get that across in a lyric is really, really tough.

01:26:10.000 I don't know if you've ever really talked to any of your guests about getting into research on lyrics and stuff like that, but that's usually the thing that takes me the longest to get a record done, is doing the research on the lyrics.

01:26:20.000 That's interesting, because I've never talked to anybody who's done research on lyrics.

01:26:24.000 Most of the time, I guess, obviously there's different ways of writing lyrics and different things you want to project.

01:26:31.000 Have you always been the kind of guy that, when you write a song, you have a theme to it that you're trying to express, like with this Chernobyl thing, and you want to make sure that you get it through research, you want to make sure you get it through the proper use of terminology, but also...

01:26:45.000 Has that always been a way that you've done music, or do you just...?

01:26:49.000 I've tried really hard to do that, yes.

01:26:52.000 In fact, in the very beginning when our albums were just first coming out, I'd always try and use some words that would require the listener to look it up.

01:27:01.000 Not just because I was being some kind of smartass or anything, but I just wanted to use something a little bit different than simple lyrics or have to dummy down a lyric because I can't find anything that rhymes with quarter or orange or something, you know?

01:27:15.000 So like with Conjuring, like that was something that you would, there's something in that that you don't even want to sing anymore because of it, because you had the history of it.

01:27:23.000 No, there's nothing in there.

01:27:24.000 There's something missing.

01:27:25.000 Something's missing from that hex so that you can't do it.

01:27:28.000 Even if you knew how to unjumble the words in there, there's a couple things missing.

01:27:35.000 That's fascinating.

01:27:37.000 Do you do that with all your songs?

01:27:39.000 Will you have a theme to it where there's a message in it?

01:27:44.000 Try to.

01:27:45.000 Let's take the title track, for example.

01:27:47.000 The Sick, the Dying, and the Dead.

01:27:48.000 People think that's about the pandemic, or the scamdemic, depending on who you are.

01:27:53.000 I know that when this happened, I was going through my cancer treatment, and I wanted to just put one foot in front of the other and get to the studio, do my job.

01:28:07.000 And when this lyric started to come together, it was actually Several years ago, Joe.

01:28:13.000 I was watching Frankenstein.

01:28:17.000 I think it's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the one with De Niro.

01:28:21.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:28:22.000 He had that fucking badass jacket. 0.98

01:28:23.000 Oh, I wanted that jacket so bad, man. 0.99

01:28:25.000 It was so cool.

01:28:26.000 Let me see that jacket, Jamie.

01:28:27.000 There was one scene in the movie where this guy's walking through somewhere and he's collecting bodies and stuff.

01:28:35.000 And it just made an impression on me.

01:28:38.000 And I thought, you know...

01:28:39.000 That to me is...

01:28:40.000 There it is.

01:28:41.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:28:41.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:28:42.000 It's so cool.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, if it was only washed.

01:28:45.000 He was a cool Frankenstein.

01:28:46.000 It was interesting to watch De Niro play Frankenstein.

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:50.000 I mean, after Raging Bull, after...

01:28:53.000 Was this before or after the one he did with Juliette Lewis?

01:28:57.000 Cape Fear.

01:28:58.000 Cape Fear.

01:28:58.000 What was that one?

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 That was great.

01:29:00.000 That was great.

01:29:01.000 He was great.

01:29:02.000 Well, he is great. 1.00

01:29:03.000 De Niro's the fucking man. 1.00

01:29:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:05.000 Anyway, so this is what the inspiration was, you know, with bringing to life the reanimation of Frankenstein or Shteen, if you're Gene Wilder. 0.99

01:29:14.000 So I thought, wow, this would be a really great thing to talk about instead of being about, you know, the pandemic, which is obvious, to sing about that, would be to talk about the Black Plague, you know, because that's more along the history,

01:29:30.000 what Megadeth writes about, you know, scary things.

01:29:32.000 Things that have happened in history.

01:29:34.000 So that's what this is about.

01:29:35.000 It's about the Black Plague.

01:29:36.000 It starts off, it says, the ship sailed to Sicily, and it was the fleas that bit the rats that bit the people and infected blood, and the stage was set.

01:29:47.000 And that's basically how the lyrics on that song...

01:29:50.000 That's a dope album cover.

01:29:51.000 Look at that.

01:29:52.000 I love that you still make albums.

01:29:55.000 I love that bands, like you brought in vinyl.

01:29:57.000 I love that bands still do this because when I was a kid, and I know I'm old, but for kids today, a big part of the getting an album experience was the artwork.

01:30:07.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.99

01:30:08.000 Like, look at that fucking artwork. 1.00

01:30:09.000 Absolutely. 1.00

01:30:10.000 That's a big part of it for kids. 1.00

01:30:12.000 When I was a kid, to look at it, you'd be like, fuck. 0.97

01:30:15.000 You'd open it up and check out the liner notes and That was a big part of the experience. 0.92

01:30:21.000 And unfortunately, that kind of went away with CDs, where it was this smaller, sort of less compelling version of it.

01:30:29.000 You still had CD art.

01:30:31.000 You still had a cool cover.

01:30:33.000 And some of them, like Dr. Dre's The Chronic, they were very iconic.

01:30:36.000 A lot of them were iconic.

01:30:38.000 You could see that image.

01:30:39.000 But there's something about an album, an actual physical album.

01:30:44.000 That was so important when we were kids.

01:30:46.000 It was such an important part of the experience.

01:30:48.000 You listened to music, an album at a time.

01:30:51.000 You didn't listen to a song at a time.

01:30:52.000 The good thing about this record, we have a couple different versions of it.

01:30:56.000 We have the version that you're holding with that lenticular cover.

01:31:00.000 It's like a 3D cover and it has bonus tracks on it.

01:31:03.000 We also have a 180 gram German vinyl that we had made.

01:31:08.000 It's a two-fold album, three songs each side, so the groups are very far apart.

01:31:12.000 It sounds really great.

01:31:13.000 Unlike Black Dog, you know, when you listen to that, it goes, hey mama, hey hey mama, you know, because the groups are so damn close together, you know, you hear it bleeding through the track, and For this album, it's just pristine.

01:31:25.000 We had Ted Jensen master engineer it, and Chris Raikstra and I produced it with Josh Wilber mixing it.

01:31:35.000 God, I just lost my trend of thought.

01:31:37.000 The last thing I was talking about was the vinyl.

01:31:42.000 Oh, I know what I wanted to say.

01:31:44.000 One of the vinyl has rare tracks on it.

01:31:46.000 It has a cover that we did with Sammy Hagar.

01:31:49.000 This Planet's on Fire from when he left Montrose before he got into Van Halen.

01:31:54.000 He had this raging song called This Planet's on Fire.

01:31:56.000 So we did that and I called Sammy up and I said, hey, would you want to play on this?

01:32:00.000 He said, yeah, sure, send me the track. 0.96

01:32:01.000 So we sent him the track and he goes, I'll sing on it, but dude, I ain't fucking playing on that with you shredders. 0.93

01:32:07.000 And I went, oh man, that's cool. 0.90

01:32:09.000 Because I really looked up to him.

01:32:10.000 And we played that song This Planet's on Fire in panic before I joined Metallica.

01:32:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:32:15.000 Almost probably would have played it in Metallica if I would have stuck around a little longer.

01:32:19.000 Wow. 0.99

01:32:20.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.93

01:32:21.000 When you were in Metallica, what was the stuff that you guys were listening to back then? 0.67

01:32:28.000 All kinds of stuff.

01:32:29.000 I think I listened to different stuff than James and Lars.

01:32:32.000 James was kind of being held hostage in Ron McEvney's house, so whatever was being played there.

01:32:37.000 Or whenever they would go to the local import record store, they would get cool stuff.

01:32:41.000 We usually went up to the record plant in San Francisco.

01:32:43.000 There was a really cool store up there, and they had the greatest vinyl patches, t-shirts.

01:32:48.000 Every time we'd go up and play the Stone or the Mubuhay, we'd go in there and we'd get patches and t-shirts and stuff.

01:32:55.000 And not so much vinyl because, you know, you're traveling, you don't want to get vinyl and take it home and have it all foobar by the time you get home.

01:33:01.000 But that was a real cool thing, was the trek from L.A. up to San Francisco and whatever souvenirs we'd bring home.

01:33:07.000 How was James being held hostage?

01:33:09.000 He had to live at Ron's house.

01:33:11.000 He had to?

01:33:12.000 It's a metaphor.

01:33:13.000 I'm joking around.

01:33:13.000 So what was happening was James, I think he mentioned something about, I can't really remember much about him when we were growing up together, but I think his dad died and then his mom got really sick and he moved out.

01:33:32.000 He was living with Ron and I'm joking when I say he's being held hostage by Ron.

01:33:37.000 But he was living at Ron's, and then when we kicked Ron out of the band, James moved in with me and my mom down at Costa Mesa, which was really uncool.

01:33:45.000 Me and him sharing a bedroom that was about the size of this table here.

01:33:52.000 That's rock and roll, though, right?

01:33:54.000 Yeah.

01:33:55.000 He loved to drink vodka.

01:33:58.000 I don't know if he's still drinking or not, but we would drink vodka like crazy, and he had this little pickup truck, and we would drive from Costa Mesa up to Huntington Beach where we would...

01:34:08.000 Celebrate and party with all my friends from Huntington Beach that James didn't know because James was from Norwalk and Downey, kind of an uncool little area where he was living at.

01:34:18.000 They covered it with a freeway now so it gives you an idea how significant the neighborhood was.

01:34:22.000 But I remember driving back and forth at PCH and it was foggy.

01:34:27.000 I mean, bad fog.

01:34:29.000 And this guy would be driving pretty quickly down PCH and we were both drinking and I... It was probably a safe bet if we would have done that too many more times we were going to get in an accident because I lost a friend the very first time we played down in Dana Point with Panic on the way home.

01:34:47.000 The drummer in the band got in a car crash along PCH coming home.

01:34:51.000 So it's always been a sore spot for me, that area in Huntington Beach and the coastline.

01:34:55.000 Well, the coastline has always been a really dangerous place, particularly for car accidents and drunk driving, like around Malibu and that area.

01:35:03.000 There's a ton of accidents.

01:35:05.000 I know multiple people that have been in accidents there.

01:35:07.000 It's also, it's like, it's easy to get distracted.

01:35:11.000 The ocean's on the side of you, and it's only a two-lane road in some spots.

01:35:15.000 It's like...

01:35:17.000 And there's a lot of bars around that area.

01:35:20.000 You know, there's a lot of people.

01:35:21.000 I haven't spent much time in Malibu.

01:35:22.000 I preferred, you know, when I went to the beach, I went down by Huntington and Newport.

01:35:27.000 I used to surf down in Newport.

01:35:29.000 And that's where a lot of the punk rock stuff that influences this new record came from.

01:35:33.000 I was a big fan of Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys, and we ended up doing a...

01:35:37.000 Dead Kennedys cover on this record, again, Police Truck.

01:35:41.000 I don't know if you've ever heard that song or not, but the Dead Kennedys got banned playing up in San Francisco because of some of the things that Frank Mangiello had said.

01:35:50.000 I think it was either in an interview or in his lyrics, but they weren't having any part of it anymore.

01:35:54.000 And I just loved that band because, you know, I was a little surf punk.

01:35:57.000 And I thought...

01:36:00.000 What did Jello Biafra say that got people...

01:36:02.000 I don't know.

01:36:03.000 He's a fascinating guy.

01:36:06.000 There's a lot of his spoken word stuff that's to music.

01:36:08.000 Have you ever heard of that?

01:36:09.000 His stuff?

01:36:11.000 No.

01:36:11.000 He just gives these long rants to music that are very interesting.

01:36:15.000 I've heard his rant done by someone else.

01:36:17.000 I heard when Ice-T did the beginning of...

01:36:20.000 His album, he had Jell-O do something on a song called Shut Up, Be Happy.

01:36:26.000 That's how I ended up becoming so close with Ice.

01:36:28.000 We met at our management's company, Lipman& Kahane, and Ice and I were in there talking, and I said, you know, that's the desk that Gretchen or whatever the girl's name from the Nymphs or the Pixies or whatever pissed on their manager's desk. 0.58

01:36:39.000 That was the famous desk he was sitting on, and so I told him, yeah, I might want to stand up.

01:36:43.000 So then we ended up becoming friends.

01:36:46.000 I did a Raider record one time and the guy says, what's your top five records?

01:36:49.000 And I said, OG, OG, OG, OG. And he heard about that and he thought it was really cool.

01:36:54.000 You know, I had heard some of his stuff and I had no idea it was even ice, like Colors.

01:36:58.000 That's a great song.

01:36:59.000 That's a great song.

01:36:59.000 It is a good movie too, man.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, that movie.

01:37:02.000 That was...

01:37:03.000 God, it had to be like 88 or something like that, right?

01:37:06.000 Was it Penn and Dreyfuss?

01:37:07.000 Was that who that was?

01:37:08.000 Yeah, Sean Penn.

01:37:09.000 Yeah.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:11.000 Was it Dreyfuss or was it...

01:37:12.000 No, no, no.

01:37:12.000 It's the wrong name.

01:37:13.000 That's the guy from Jaws.

01:37:14.000 It was...

01:37:15.000 Right.

01:37:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:37:17.000 It wasn't...

01:37:17.000 I can picture him right now.

01:37:19.000 Oh, God.

01:37:20.000 Bald guy. 1.00

01:37:20.000 He's in a lot of shit. 1.00

01:37:22.000 He always plays like the old cop that knows better. 1.00

01:37:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:37:25.000 Goddammit. 1.00

01:37:25.000 He's a fucking brilliant actor. 1.00

01:37:28.000 Colors... 0.99

01:37:30.000 Thank you.

01:37:31.000 Godfather.

01:37:32.000 He was in The Godfather.

01:37:33.000 He was the lawyer, right?

01:37:34.000 He was in a lot of things.

01:37:35.000 That guy's amazing.

01:37:36.000 But yeah, that was a fun movie, but that song, Colors.

01:37:39.000 Yeah, that's a good track.

01:37:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:41.000 Oh, Ice-T had some great shit, man. 0.99

01:37:42.000 He asked me to do a couple tracks on his body count stuff, and I was really eager to do that. 0.99

01:37:48.000 It was a song called Civil War.

01:37:49.000 I played on that and did some spoken word on that, too.

01:37:54.000 Yeah, cool talent.

01:37:56.000 You know, he's the longest running male actor on a TV show in history.

01:37:59.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:38:00.000 And he plays a cop.

01:38:01.000 Yeah.

01:38:01.000 The guy who wrote and sang Cop Killer.

01:38:04.000 The guy who is a jewel burglar.

01:38:07.000 Yeah, I'm reading his book Split Decision right now, and it's crazy.

01:38:10.000 Longest running cop ever on television.

01:38:12.000 That's hilarious.

01:38:14.000 That's great.

01:38:14.000 Good for him.

01:38:15.000 Yeah. 0.82

01:38:15.000 He's killing it. 0.82

01:38:16.000 He's one of the OGs of the LA rap world.

01:38:20.000 He is.

01:38:20.000 When gangster rap became giantly popular in the late 80s, Ice-T was one of the OGs.

01:38:27.000 He was.

01:38:27.000 He is.

01:38:28.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:38:29.000 I mean, he had some fucking great songs. 0.98

01:38:30.000 Six in the Morning. 0.99

01:38:31.000 Some great songs.

01:38:34.000 I love seeing those guys still doing it today, too.

01:38:37.000 When I was a kid and rap was first sort of coming out, I was wondering, are we gonna see rappers tour in their later years the same way that we see rockers tour in their later years?

01:38:48.000 Because when we were a kid, we thought of it as being a young person's game.

01:38:52.000 Rap or rock and roll, really.

01:38:54.000 But it seems like there was a renaissance somewhere, at some point in time, where people wanted to see those old guys get back on the road again. 0.99

01:39:04.000 And still do the same shit and still kill it.

01:39:06.000 I have never really gotten that immersed in the rap or hip-hop world, so I don't really know a lot of the players. 0.99

01:39:15.000 I know the regulars...

01:39:18.000 You know, NWA, you know, obviously Ice and Ice Cube and all those guys.

01:39:24.000 And there's...

01:39:28.000 Not anybody that really came to mind to do that part.

01:39:31.000 We have Ice singing on one of our songs.

01:39:33.000 Did I tell you that?

01:39:35.000 On the Night Stalker track on here, we actually had him do a guest voice appearance for me now because we're ping-ponging back and forth to guest appearances on each other's records.

01:39:47.000 So he is playing Colonel Kretz from Apocalypse Now, so to speak, in the lyric where In the Night Stalker song on the new record, I was going to write it about Richard Ramirez, and then I did some research on him, and Joe, I thought, this guy's just too evil,

01:40:03.000 too sick.

01:40:03.000 I would never want to write anything about him.

01:40:05.000 So I ditched the Night Stalker thing, and then I found out my daughter was dating a fighter pilot for the bass up in Kentucky with the Apaches, and And I thought that was pretty cool and found out that the battalion up there is called the Night Stalkers.

01:40:20.000 And I went, all right, I got my title back.

01:40:22.000 I got my title back.

01:40:23.000 So I met a friend of mine who I'm very close with named John Clement who was a pilot and told me a lot, introduced me to several of the people up at the base.

01:40:34.000 And we started our relationship with the Night Stalkers there.

01:40:39.000 The song has Ice in there playing pretty much like how Lou Gossett Jr. did in Officer and a Gentleman.

01:40:49.000 When gear goes...

01:40:50.000 I got nowhere else to go!

01:40:52.000 While he's holding his nuts, right? 0.99

01:40:54.000 And I think he was the one that got kicked in the balls. 0.99

01:40:56.000 And I just thought, you've got to have that kind of grittiness. 0.99

01:41:03.000 And then cross that with Colonel Kretz and see who could do the ice.

01:41:08.000 Ice is perfect.

01:41:10.000 So I said, this is what I want to do.

01:41:11.000 This is what I want to say.

01:41:12.000 And I gave him an artistic license to do whatever he wanted to do to what we sent him.

01:41:17.000 And I hope when you hear it, you like it.

01:41:19.000 Because it's pretty cool. 0.98

01:41:20.000 Well, what's also awesome is that you guys are constantly putting out new shit still. 0.99

01:41:26.000 That's what's really cool. 0.98

01:41:28.000 I saw the Stones when they were in town, and it's amazing.

01:41:32.000 But it's mostly...

01:41:34.000 Keith Richards played a couple new songs, but it's mostly the stuff that they've been known for for all these decades.

01:41:40.000 But it's still amazing to see.

01:41:42.000 Yes.

01:41:43.000 Like at 70... 1.00

01:41:44.000 He's fucking Biden's age. 1.00

01:41:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:46.000 Mick Jagger's out there fucking dancing around on stage, and he's Biden's age. 1.00

01:41:50.000 It's wild! 0.99

01:41:51.000 I mean, when we were kids, we never thought of 78-year-old rockers.

01:41:56.000 I didn't know anything that was 78 years old.

01:41:58.000 Right!

01:41:59.000 But you would never imagine that, because none of those people from the early days, I mean, I don't wonder how old James Brown was when he stopped touring, but most of those guys, you didn't see them in their 70s doing rock and roll songs that they would sing when they were in their 20s.

01:42:17.000 It's wild to see.

01:42:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:18.000 Well, lyrics change meaning.

01:42:20.000 For me, it's kind of hard to sing about anarchy when I've got Aston Martin in my driveway.

01:42:25.000 Of course, right?

01:42:27.000 I thank the fans for that, and I don't want to ever lose sight of that and think that this is my own doing.

01:42:33.000 I work my ass off, Joe, and I know you do too.

01:42:37.000 The things that I have I know came from the support for what we're doing.

01:42:42.000 And we sing about stuff not everybody wants to sing about.

01:42:44.000 There's a lot of stuff on this record.

01:42:46.000 Like Junkie, for example.

01:42:47.000 We started off really heavily on this conversation with Drug Talk and stuff.

01:42:52.000 I think the beauty about that was we talked a little bit about it.

01:42:56.000 The people who are out there that are struggling heard what we were saying.

01:43:00.000 I heard maybe something in what I said that maybe made them, you know, not hear me, but listen to me and maybe find out, you know, I don't like Dave, but I like the fact that he was dying and that he was able to pull the nosedive up.

01:43:15.000 And boy, things have sure gotten good for me lately.

01:43:18.000 Well, that is always a great message for people to hear, especially someone they admire.

01:43:22.000 Someone they admire that has gone through everything that you've gone through that you've been open about, from drug addiction and chaos, and now health, cancer-free, doing great, doing jiu-jitsu, living healthy.

01:43:38.000 That's so important.

01:43:38.000 Important for people to hear because so many people when they're they're on a certain trajectory They feel like there's no way getting off the train.

01:43:44.000 They're on the train.

01:43:45.000 They're stuck.

01:43:46.000 Yeah, they're stuck. 0.99

01:43:47.000 They're headed to a fucked up life and When a person like yourself can say you know what I was on that train to and I said fuck this I'm getting off and turned it around A lot of people are afraid to make that that jump though. 0.99

01:43:59.000 They're afraid to take both feet off of first base and Consequently, they'll never get to second base and for me I look at a lot of the things that were holding me back and And I needed them, Joe. 1.00

01:44:09.000 I needed them to beat my ass. 0.99

01:44:10.000 I needed to get all of the stubbornness whooped out of me. 1.00

01:44:16.000 You know, I was a person that if I wanted something done, I was going to get it no matter what.

01:44:23.000 And now I step back and I say, you know, If I want something done, it's what's right that needs to be done.

01:44:30.000 And if it's not what I want, it doesn't matter.

01:44:33.000 It's what's right.

01:44:34.000 Because we have a huge, huge organization, and there's a lot of people who are counting on us to be able to bring them entertainment, especially now with the way the economy is, the way that people are just feeling like, what's the use?

01:44:46.000 We come there, we help them just let go, just for that hour.

01:44:50.000 We've got 55 minutes.

01:44:51.000 We get to play with Five Finger Death Punch. 0.99

01:44:54.000 And we make the best out of it.

01:44:57.000 Yeah, that's a beautiful thing for a fan, you know, that you're continuing to do that. 0.94

01:45:02.000 And for fans of everything and anything that artists produce, when your life is shit, but you know the fucking new Megadeth album is coming out, and you get pumped, and then you hear it, It elevates you.

01:45:16.000 That's the beautiful thing about art. 0.85

01:45:17.000 The beautiful thing about someone creating something that people can enjoy is that for those people that it hits them like, oh yeah, they feel better.

01:45:27.000 Music in particular is amazing that way.

01:45:29.000 It actually changes the way you feel.

01:45:31.000 It does.

01:45:31.000 It's like David Goggins won't listen to music when he runs because he thinks it's cheating.

01:45:34.000 I used to say that too. 0.98

01:45:36.000 I used to say that too, but I'm a hypocrite.

01:45:38.000 Because I started listening to it when I work out, because it really does make working out easier. 0.98

01:45:42.000 If you listen to a great soundtrack, like when you're on an elliptical machine or one of those airdyne bikes, it sucks. 0.92

01:45:49.000 It's boring. 0.99

01:45:50.000 You don't want to just fucking sit in there and huff along for an hour. 0.99

01:45:53.000 But if you listen to good music, you get fucking pumped. 0.99

01:45:56.000 It's like a drug. 0.99

01:45:57.000 It really does hit you.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, there's a motivational thing I've... 0.96

01:46:01.000 Mentioning earlier with you about Schwarzenegger was on it, but it was this hour-long motivational thing called Let's Fucking Do It.

01:46:08.000 And I downloaded it, and I remember I was going through a real hard time in my life at the time. 0.63

01:46:13.000 We'd just moved out to Nashville, and I was having this real awful human being in my career.

01:46:18.000 He was trying to say he was...

01:46:23.000 You know, working with us as a manager, but it was farther, nothing farther could be from the truth because we went 60 days one time without talking.

01:46:33.000 And I wrote him a letter that day, and I said, look, man, you know what?

01:46:37.000 You're done.

01:46:38.000 We're out of here.

01:46:39.000 And I went over to 5B. The last seven years of my life has been the Dave Mustaine Charm Offensive, and we've been really, really working on getting our rightly space in history and our position in the whole touring world and recording world.

01:46:56.000 Some things we had to let go of, like some people that we were really close to, and they were just bad for us.

01:47:03.000 Yeah, well, that's one of the unfortunate things that does happen in a journey.

01:47:07.000 And that's one of the things that I admire most about bands, is that they can figure out all those internal disputes between band members, which are inevitable.

01:47:14.000 Band members and then also members of the crew, members of the management.

01:47:19.000 It's always, it's constant conflict.

01:47:21.000 It's hard for people to find peace in that.

01:47:24.000 It's amazing when a band can keep it together.

01:47:27.000 You know?

01:47:28.000 I mean, artists are crazy.

01:47:30.000 There's a lot of stuff. 0.97

01:47:31.000 So many crazy people.

01:47:33.000 You know, and including guys like yourself who've come out of that with peace. 0.97

01:47:37.000 It's like in the beginning, like, people are nuts, you know, and they're trying to make nutty music, you know?

01:47:42.000 It's like there's a lot of thoughts that don't gel together, you know, a lot of people's ways they're living their lives, you know?

01:47:51.000 I think what's cool is what you're saying that's so important for people is to see that you can have those things in your life and still get past them.

01:48:00.000 And get past them and then be a guy like yourself who has a very specific ethic that he lives his life by.

01:48:06.000 And that's available to other people too.

01:48:09.000 They can hear you say that and go, you know what?

01:48:11.000 I want to do what Dave's done.

01:48:13.000 I want to live my life in that manner.

01:48:16.000 And it's really positive.

01:48:18.000 Thank you.

01:48:19.000 And I know you realize it's positive, too, which is really cool, because you talk about it, and you know that it can affect people.

01:48:25.000 If you think about who you were when you were a 14-, 15-year-old kid, if you'd heard a guy like you that you admire talk about that, it puts it in their head, and they realize, like, oh, yeah, there's a right way to live this life.

01:48:36.000 There's a way to live this life.

01:48:37.000 It's a seal of approval from someone that you look up to.

01:48:39.000 It's almost an endorsement.

01:48:41.000 And you know that's one of I think a very strong benefit of religion for a lot of people is that it gives them the very strong moral scaffolding to live their life by.

01:48:50.000 Good word.

01:48:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:52.000 I mean sort of like it's a structure that allows you to sort of like you always have a place to think always have a place to go this is it's like there's there's ways you live period and in doing that it makes trials and tribulations difficult moments easier Because you do recognize that there's a process to life and that there's a way to do this where you're going to be a good person and you're going to feel good about yourself and still you can overcome things and succeed.

01:49:20.000 There's a lot of stuff that you need to, I don't know, you've got to have the common sense to know you've got to overcome it.

01:49:29.000 Some people, they just get trapped in that place where you get the, like we were talking earlier about the Brian Wilson story and And all these other stories, like with Elvis, where you have enablers around you.

01:49:41.000 And enabler is a word that signifies exactly what it means.

01:49:47.000 It's just people helping you do things that aren't good for you sometimes, that could be good for you, but most generally, most often, it's not.

01:49:56.000 And those are the people...

01:49:58.000 I was just working with my son.

01:50:01.000 He was managing a group with Danny Nozell over at CTK. And they were managing a band.

01:50:07.000 One of the band members just died because he had someone that he started seeing who the guy would wake up and she would give him...

01:50:19.000 Four beer cans in this vest he used to wear.

01:50:21.000 So he'd start his day with beers all over.

01:50:24.000 Jesus Christ.

01:50:25.000 And he was staying at a house.

01:50:27.000 My son went over there with someone else to go move him.

01:50:32.000 And the dresser...

01:50:36.000 All the drawers were full of empty beer cans.

01:50:38.000 It was so bizarre.

01:50:40.000 And this is someone that's coming in there and sneaking booze to a guy that's supposed to be drying out to save his life.

01:50:45.000 And consequently, he's dead now, which is a bummer.

01:50:48.000 Oh, man.

01:50:49.000 That's the worst, when someone finds an enabler instead of someone who can pull him out of it.

01:50:54.000 Someone just lets you keep doing it.

01:50:58.000 It's such a normal part of people that are going through any sort of success in the public eye, too.

01:51:05.000 There's so much pressure that's involved, whether it's performing in a band or anything where you're doing it publicly.

01:51:11.000 It's sort of...

01:51:13.000 People look for a release valve.

01:51:16.000 They want what they want.

01:51:17.000 Yeah.

01:51:18.000 And they also want escape.

01:51:20.000 They want escape from just the angst of being.

01:51:24.000 And that's... 0.99

01:51:25.000 Alcohol is one of the best escapes because you just don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:51:29.000 You get hammered, you don't give a fuck, but you're slowly killing yourself. 0.99

01:51:33.000 And it's one of those things where it's so common. 0.99

01:51:37.000 That term common sense is such a strange term, right?

01:51:39.000 Because it's not that common.

01:51:41.000 We call it common sense, but it's less common than not having common sense.

01:51:48.000 Yeah, unpopular sense.

01:51:50.000 Common sense is probably like, you know, 20% of the people have it.

01:51:54.000 50, if the most.

01:51:55.000 If you're being really, really generous, 50% of the people have common sense.

01:51:59.000 I heard Einstein had said that people use between 3-8% of their brains and 8% obviously would be the geniuses.

01:52:05.000 Imagine what it would be like if that was really accurate and people could access more than, you know, the 8%.

01:52:14.000 That was the premise of that movie, Lucy.

01:52:15.000 Did you ever see that movie, Lucy?

01:52:16.000 No.

01:52:17.000 It was a movie with, was it Scarlett Johansson?

01:52:19.000 Yeah, Scarlett Johansson plays this woman who gets a hold of this drug accidentally. 0.84

01:52:25.000 She's like involved in some sort of drug trade thing that goes sour and she gets a hold of this drug accidentally that turns her into a person that can use 100% of their mind and she becomes like a god.

01:52:35.000 Oh! 0.60

01:52:35.000 It's a really wild movie with Morgan Freeman. 0.60

01:52:37.000 I think I saw this.

01:52:39.000 It's great.

01:52:39.000 It's fun.

01:52:40.000 It's really fun.

01:52:40.000 It's really interesting.

01:52:42.000 It's kind of like a superhero movie.

01:52:45.000 I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but it's a great movie.

01:52:48.000 If you haven't seen it, go check it out.

01:52:49.000 But the idea of using only 7% or 8% of your brain, I think that's not real.

01:52:54.000 I think they used to think that at one point in time, but now they think there's different parts of the brain are for different things, and their understanding of the brain is still, relatively speaking, kind of...

01:53:08.000 They don't know, really, a lot of what's going on in there.

01:53:11.000 They know specific areas of the brain.

01:53:14.000 Create memories or was where you store memories and motor skills and they know that when you get injuries to specific areas of the brain, that's where there's problems and they can sort of isolate that.

01:53:25.000 But I don't think they think you use only seven or eight percent of your brain anymore.

01:53:30.000 Well, that's Einstein's quotes.

01:53:32.000 I would probably tend to go...

01:53:33.000 Did Einstein say that?

01:53:34.000 Yeah, he did.

01:53:36.000 Maybe he was being like, I mean...

01:53:39.000 I didn't make that up.

01:53:40.000 Right.

01:53:41.000 I know, but people say that.

01:53:42.000 It's one of those things.

01:53:43.000 It's in that movie, Lucy.

01:53:44.000 That's why I said that.

01:53:45.000 Yeah.

01:53:45.000 And even in the movie, Lucy, when they said that, I'm like, I don't think that's true.

01:53:48.000 I think that's a mess.

01:53:50.000 Well, I don't feel like I use 100% of my brain, I can tell you how much.

01:53:54.000 Well, I don't think anybody does.

01:53:56.000 But it's like, what does that mean?

01:53:58.000 Your brain varies with how tired you are, whether you're sick, whether you're stressed out, whether you're at peace, whether you've exercised, whether you're in love, whether you're happy with your life.

01:54:12.000 Your brain varies constantly depending on how many things it has to think about.

01:54:16.000 That's why I love the sensory deprivation tank, that thing that we talked about earlier.

01:54:21.000 The ability to separate yourself from as much physical input as possible is pretty amazing in the way your brain can function.

01:54:31.000 Okay, here it says.

01:54:32.000 Others have claimed that Einstein attributed his intellectual giftedness and to be able to use more than 10% of his brain, but this is itself a myth.

01:54:40.000 Another possible source of the 10% myth is neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield's discovery in 1930 of a silent cortex, brain areas that appear to have no function when he stimulated them with electricity.

01:54:53.000 We now know today that these areas are functional.

01:54:57.000 Okay, so it was just a...

01:54:59.000 I think it was just a thing that people used to say.

01:55:01.000 Where does the myth originate?

01:55:02.000 No one knows for sure.

01:55:04.000 Popular theory, as the journalist Lowell Thomas helped spread its myth in his preface to Dale Carnegie's blockbuster self-help book, How to Win Friends and Influence People.

01:55:13.000 There it is.

01:55:14.000 So he misquoted the brilliant American psychologist William James as saying that the average person specifically develops only 10% of his latent mental ability.

01:55:24.000 Okay, so it's just...

01:55:26.000 A misquote. 1.00

01:55:27.000 Fuck em, man. 1.00

01:55:28.000 Fuck em. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:55:30.000 But we all know that your brain, or at least your mind, like the way you think, works better if you're feeling good and if you're healthy.

01:55:37.000 Sure.

01:55:38.000 And if a person's constantly whacked out on coke, it's probably not so good for the way you think and live your life.

01:55:45.000 No.

01:55:46.000 Are you happier now?

01:55:47.000 I think so.

01:55:48.000 I think what makes me happy is different, Joe.

01:55:51.000 It's relative.

01:55:54.000 I think when you're around people that are complaining all the time, you're going to want to either help them or if they don't want help and they keep complaining, you need to kind of change your address.

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 Has that been a consistent formula for you in terms of living your life in a happier way? 1.00

01:56:12.000 Just get rid of the people that suck? 0.99

01:56:15.000 No, because there wasn't that many people. 0.99

01:56:16.000 I think what needed to happen for me was just to kind of get my priorities in order and to learn a little bit more about what I'm doing that's right and stuff that could be better in all areas.

01:56:32.000 Being a husband, being a dad, being a friend, being a leader.

01:56:36.000 It's evolved to have an organization this big, you know.

01:56:41.000 So there's a lot of stuff there, and I think that the cancer was a lot of perspective.

01:56:48.000 Some people can have chronic perspective loss with the music industry, just how distorted things are from reality.

01:57:00.000 You know, I guess as I started to get healthier with the cancer and the success of everything now, it's making me want to help people more.

01:57:10.000 I've been saying this in some of my interviews lately about being more philanthropic with some of the younger bands that reach out for advice and stuff.

01:57:17.000 I mean, you can't teach, you know, some people.

01:57:20.000 You just can't.

01:57:21.000 But I like to help when I can if they ask.

01:57:25.000 But you can teach the ones who you can.

01:57:26.000 Yeah.

01:57:27.000 If they want to learn.

01:57:28.000 Right.

01:57:29.000 But there's enough of them out there that it really does make a difference, right?

01:57:32.000 Yeah.

01:57:33.000 There's a lot of people out there that want to learn that are just looking for somebody in their life like me, man.

01:57:37.000 I was searching for a male role model.

01:57:41.000 Since my dad was gone, my two brother-in-laws were both dealing with their own kids.

01:57:45.000 You know, how weird is that to go over and have to spank somebody else's kid?

01:57:49.000 Yeah.

01:57:50.000 I'm sure.

01:57:51.000 Yeah, it was weird.

01:57:52.000 When you're thinking back on the moment where you got cancer and the shift in your mindset because of that, other than being philanthropic, how did it alter the way your perspective was?

01:58:09.000 Well, I think you tend to look at the calendar a little different.

01:58:14.000 I never really looked at it like I've got such and such amount of days left to live.

01:58:20.000 I've always tried to look at my life as every day as a gift and just try my best to go home Right.

01:58:44.000 Right.

01:58:46.000 Right.

01:58:54.000 Right.

01:58:58.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:58:59.000 You can avoid conflict.

01:59:02.000 I can't learn that.

01:59:04.000 That's something to learn in life, that you can avoid and you're going to create more by talking.

01:59:09.000 It's like that saying the cops say, you have the right to remain silent.

01:59:12.000 Yes.

01:59:13.000 I think more people should say that.

01:59:15.000 Anything you say can and will be held against you.

01:59:17.000 Yeah, when you're experiencing a giant health scare, that's generally, for a lot of people, that's a moment where you either wake up or you go further to sleep.

01:59:29.000 And some people like yourself Chose to change.

01:59:34.000 Chose to see things differently.

01:59:36.000 I think that's great.

01:59:37.000 I thought.

01:59:38.000 I wasn't going to take it lying down, although I know that it could have been a lot worse.

01:59:43.000 I caught it early and I did everything the doctors said.

01:59:46.000 What were the symptoms?

01:59:47.000 It was a tumor in my throat from...

01:59:51.000 It was on this side in the back of my tongue.

01:59:55.000 And inversely, the lymph nodes down here had been affected.

02:00:02.000 So they were swollen?

02:00:03.000 Two of them were affected here, and then the tumor was on my tongue up here.

02:00:09.000 And they didn't have to take the tumor out.

02:00:11.000 They hit it so hard with the radiation that I think I had 31 treatments.

02:00:16.000 I think you said I had something like that.

02:00:21.000 I think I had 13 doses of chemo.

02:00:25.000 It was really, really heavy.

02:00:26.000 And we got it in a short period of time.

02:00:28.000 You know, that much over a long, long period of time is...

02:00:31.000 I guess not that bad, but we really wanted to hit it and make sure that we didn't have to go in there and start cutting things.

02:00:37.000 How did the chemo affect you?

02:00:40.000 I had two bad days, Joe, where I was thrown up.

02:00:43.000 We were in the studio and I got up to go to work and just kind of felt nauseous.

02:00:49.000 Fortunately, my doctors were great and I had some additional medication for nausea.

02:00:57.000 And I took that I threw up a little bit, and then the second day that happened, kind of the same drill, and that was it.

02:01:07.000 I had icky days, but there were no other rough days.

02:01:13.000 It was just those two rough days.

02:01:15.000 Everything else was pretty, I'll get through it kind of a thing.

02:01:19.000 Just not comfortable, but not horrific.

02:01:22.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 I mean, it felt like a bad Taco Tuesday the next morning, you know what I mean?

02:01:28.000 So, I guess I just...

02:01:33.000 During the course of it, with all of the medication coursing through your body, the doctors are trying to kill off a big part of what's wrong inside of you.

02:01:43.000 So your body's going like, hey, what's going on here?

02:01:46.000 So eating became a chore.

02:01:50.000 I still can't eat very well because of spices.

02:01:53.000 I was drinking that delicious drink you gave me earlier, and all I could taste was the spice in it.

02:02:00.000 So you become more sensitive to spices?

02:02:02.000 Spice.

02:02:02.000 I can't hardly have spice anymore at all.

02:02:04.000 It's ruined my sushi experience.

02:02:06.000 It's ruined my Mexican food experience.

02:02:09.000 Two of my favorite foods and I can't do it anymore because I take hot and it's...

02:02:14.000 Oh, wow.

02:02:16.000 So that's been just a shift in taste buds.

02:02:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:02:21.000 It's kind of like using mace for binaca, you know?

02:02:23.000 Really?

02:02:24.000 My mouth just goes nuts.

02:02:26.000 Wow.

02:02:27.000 And were you allowed to exercise during this time?

02:02:31.000 Yeah, if I wanted to.

02:02:31.000 I was still doing jujitsu.

02:02:33.000 Really?

02:02:33.000 While you were getting chemo?

02:02:34.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 Wow.

02:02:35.000 How did it affect you on the mats?

02:02:37.000 Well, I wasn't really...

02:02:38.000 I mean, I wasn't rolling really hard with anybody.

02:02:41.000 I think this happened...

02:02:42.000 Were you just drilling while that was happening?

02:02:44.000 Yeah, and it was still early enough where...

02:02:48.000 I think I was still a blue belt at the time, or I may have just been ready to get my blue belt when this happened.

02:02:55.000 So, I know I got my blue belt when I went to Europe two times ago.

02:03:02.000 So...

02:03:21.000 I don't remember.

02:03:22.000 Well, you know, I wish I had powers.

02:03:25.000 You know, the funny thing is that I went in there to have the little mask put on when they clamp your head down because you can't move your head around when you're doing the radiation.

02:03:33.000 They don't want to miss with those lasers. 0.80

02:03:35.000 So your head's all clamped down in this piece of plastic.

02:03:39.000 And they said, well, we've got to heat the plastic up and you're going to sit there for 15 minutes.

02:03:44.000 I'm thinking, I can't sit anywhere for 15 minutes and not move.

02:03:48.000 So I said, okay, I'll try it.

02:03:50.000 So I sit down, they click everything in, and a drip of water, because the mask is all wet, drips down my scalp into my ear.

02:03:59.000 And it was like I had a boar worm going into my brain.

02:04:04.000 All I could think about was that water dripping into my ear.

02:04:07.000 I couldn't handle it.

02:04:08.000 I said, I got to come back.

02:04:09.000 So I told him, I said, there's no way I can do this and sit here for 15 minutes.

02:04:12.000 I just can't do it.

02:04:13.000 I have claustrophobia.

02:04:15.000 And, you know, whenever I do those CAT scans and stuff, I have to be knocked out to do that.

02:04:19.000 So...

02:04:20.000 I finally got it done, but yeah, it was a trying situation, man.

02:04:26.000 You don't really know how involved all the technology is until you have to go through it now because it's gotten so much more advanced.

02:04:33.000 When I think about stuff you would see on TV, you would see people that had cancer, they were bald or skinny.

02:04:38.000 You don't see how the medication and the techniques have improved.

02:04:42.000 I didn't lose any hair.

02:04:44.000 Like I said, I only had two bad days.

02:04:46.000 That's amazing.

02:04:47.000 That's amazing that they've advanced to that form. 1.00

02:04:50.000 And isn't it also amazing that just a drip of water will fuck with you so hard? 0.99

02:04:54.000 That's Chinese water torture, right? 0.99

02:04:56.000 They make people lay there and just drip water on their head, which is so crazy that that bothers us so much.

02:05:03.000 Such a weird thing about the human mind and human senses.

02:05:06.000 Because if you're walking in the rain, it doesn't really bother you at all.

02:05:09.000 You would think that that would be excruciating.

02:05:11.000 It'd be impossible to deal with. 0.93

02:05:12.000 But if you're walking in the rain, you're like, ah, I'm fucking wet, whatever. 0.99

02:05:15.000 It just sucks. 0.99

02:05:16.000 And maybe nice. 0.99

02:05:17.000 It might be nice.

02:05:18.000 It might be a hot day and it rains out and it feels good. 0.99

02:05:21.000 The thing about the mind and the senses that a drip of water can fuck with you that hard is crazy. 0.99

02:05:29.000 Yeah, it did. 0.99

02:05:30.000 Especially if you're a person that freaks out about closed spaces.

02:05:33.000 A lot of people ask me that about the sensory deprivation tank.

02:05:36.000 They're like, oh man, I've...

02:05:37.000 I'm claustrophobic.

02:05:38.000 I don't know if I could do that.

02:05:39.000 I'm like, I think you can, because it's not like you can't get out easy.

02:05:42.000 There's a door right there.

02:05:44.000 Just get into it for a little bit, get comfortable with it, and then do a little bit more next time, a little bit more, and then after a while, your body gets accustomed.

02:05:54.000 It took me like a year to get used to what you're doing when you lay in there.

02:05:59.000 You're just going to chill.

02:06:01.000 Just chill.

02:06:02.000 This is what you do now.

02:06:03.000 Now I can just do it.

02:06:05.000 I can just get in there.

02:06:06.000 It's like the cold plunge.

02:06:07.000 Same kind of thing.

02:06:08.000 I don't think I could do that.

02:06:10.000 You say that, but you could.

02:06:12.000 I guarantee you could.

02:06:13.000 If I was thrown off a boat in Alaska, maybe.

02:06:14.000 I don't know.

02:06:15.000 You could do it.

02:06:16.000 People say they couldn't do it, but you could do it.

02:06:18.000 You could do it for 10 seconds, right?

02:06:20.000 If you could do it for 10 seconds, you could do it for a minute.

02:06:22.000 We do the cryogenic chamber down by our dojo.

02:06:24.000 There's a place you go into, but it's not the same.

02:06:27.000 No, it's not the same, but it's still great.

02:06:29.000 If you can do cryotherapy, I used to do cryotherapy in Woodland Hills, cryo-healthcare.

02:06:34.000 It was great.

02:06:35.000 You go in there for three minutes, you wear a face mask and gloves, and I would just listen to Queen.

02:06:40.000 I'd listen to Dragon Attack.

02:06:43.000 I'd just move around. 0.99

02:06:48.000 You know, it was just like, that was my, I'm freezing my dick off song. 0.98

02:06:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

02:06:52.000 So I would always listen to that when I would go in there.

02:06:54.000 I hated that.

02:06:54.000 It was cool though because they could play music in there and, you know, it's three minutes.

02:06:59.000 You could do it.

02:07:00.000 Yeah.

02:07:00.000 But you'd get out of there, man.

02:07:02.000 It took so long for your body to warm back up, but man, did you feel good.

02:07:06.000 Yeah, going outside has always been great.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, it feels so good.

02:07:10.000 It makes the sun feel amazing.

02:07:12.000 Yeah, it does.

02:07:13.000 But it's super good for you.

02:07:14.000 We were talking earlier about sauna, too.

02:07:17.000 We were talking about doing that, you know, that we have one here and that you have one, but you just haven't been on a regular use of it.

02:07:26.000 Well, I don't know the proper way to use it.

02:07:27.000 I know in Finland that they swear by sauna and that you have to do a hot-cold thing or that you have to be so hydrated or not hydrated or...

02:07:36.000 You know, I just, I want to do it right if I go in there.

02:07:38.000 I don't want to just fall asleep in a sauna and come out weighing 30 pounds.

02:07:41.000 You won't.

02:07:42.000 You won't fall asleep, guaranteed.

02:07:43.000 It's too uncomfortable.

02:07:44.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 But just, yeah, hydration's key.

02:07:47.000 Do you take any electrolyte supplements or anything like that?

02:07:52.000 Let's see, what do I take?

02:07:54.000 I take so much nutrients and supplements.

02:07:57.000 Do you?

02:07:57.000 Yeah.

02:07:58.000 Oh, that's great.

02:07:59.000 A lot.

02:08:02.000 I take DGA, Pregnenosol, whatever I think it is.

02:08:06.000 Do you take anything like liquid IV? Do you know what that stuff is?

02:08:08.000 I've had that before, yeah.

02:08:11.000 Yeah, or Element.

02:08:12.000 Those are all really good.

02:08:13.000 It's hydration supplements just out of the water.

02:08:15.000 There's a bunch of electrolytes in there.

02:08:18.000 It's really good for...

02:08:18.000 I did the thing where you go to...

02:08:29.000 Oh, that's very different.

02:08:38.000 They're radiating your blood?

02:08:39.000 Yeah, it was some crazy technique.

02:08:41.000 I can't remember what it was.

02:08:44.000 We were just starting to do it right when COVID hit, and then the guy closed his practice.

02:08:51.000 Have you heard of that, Jamie?

02:08:53.000 Yeah, they take your blood out.

02:08:54.000 What's the benefit of it?

02:08:55.000 Clean your blood.

02:08:57.000 Clean it?

02:08:57.000 They just had something, and it went through this crazy machine, and it would spin around.

02:09:02.000 Like an ozone or something?

02:09:04.000 It wasn't like, you know, one of those...

02:09:07.000 I've heard that before.

02:09:08.000 You know, you weren't spinning it for, you know, stem cell stuff or like that.

02:09:12.000 I just think...

02:09:13.000 Like PRP, right?

02:09:14.000 Yeah.

02:09:14.000 But they would take it and treat it and then put it back in your body?

02:09:18.000 I don't think it ever really actually...

02:09:20.000 Well, it came out to go through the machine, but I don't think that there was ever really...

02:09:27.000 Leaving you, per se, because there was a connection made, and it wasn't like they took it out of you and took it someplace else and came back and put it into you.

02:09:34.000 So it sort of pumps into the machine and pumps back into your body?

02:09:37.000 Yeah, and it went past this crazy light.

02:09:40.000 Okay, so some sort of...

02:09:42.000 Wasn't that...

02:09:43.000 What they were talking about with COVID and some other things, that they had exposed it to ultraviolet light and that you could...

02:09:52.000 They were taking...

02:09:54.000 One of the therapies that they were considering is that they were going to put UV light into people's lungs.

02:10:00.000 Like they were going to anesthetize them.

02:10:03.000 Yeah, I just heard about this too.

02:10:05.000 Yeah, they were going to put them under and then they were going to use UV light on their lungs to kill...

02:10:11.000 Not just COVID, but other things.

02:10:13.000 Ultraviolet blood treatment.

02:10:15.000 There it is.

02:10:15.000 Ultraviolet blood treatment is simple intravenous therapy, which a small amount of blood is drawn from the patient's body through an ultraviolet light-emitting machine and then reintroduced to their system.

02:10:28.000 The UV light acts as a cell cleanser, killing bacteria and viruses in the bloodstream.

02:10:35.000 Unhealthy cells absorb five times as much Photonic energy and die off while healthy cells remain intact and the blood gains oxygen.

02:10:45.000 The effect is a vaccination-like response in which patients' immune systems is activated to counter the specific virus or bacteria the body is trying to defeat.

02:10:55.000 In our clinical experience, this treatment has been highly effective against viral infections.

02:11:00.000 Is this a real thing?

02:11:04.000 Bourne Clinic.

02:11:07.000 Why don't you Google ultra-violent blood treatment debunked?

02:11:13.000 Google debunked.

02:11:16.000 It sounds interesting.

02:11:18.000 What a great thing that would be, that every time you had a virus, just go and get hooked up to this machine, it would just clean you out real quick.

02:11:25.000 They do know that these viruses, many viruses rather, are killed with the introduction of ultraviolet light.

02:11:32.000 That's why they have these things called...

02:11:34.000 Let there be light.

02:11:35.000 Have you ever heard of a SteriPen?

02:11:39.000 Explain.

02:11:40.000 A SteriPen is something that hikers and guys who go into the backcountry for multiple days at a time, they need water sources.

02:11:48.000 There's a thing called a SteriPen and you can literally take water from a lake And then you dunk this SteriPen in, and there's a specific amount of time that you expose the UV light to the water, and it kills all the bacteria in the water.

02:12:02.000 So you can drink it.

02:12:03.000 Yeah, so you can drink it.

02:12:04.000 So Google that, SteriPen.

02:12:06.000 We've got a bunch of stuff like that.

02:12:08.000 When we were living in Fallbrook, we had a bunch of stuff for water problems.

02:12:13.000 Here it is.

02:12:14.000 Fact check, UV light is not an accepted medical treatment.

02:12:18.000 Hmm.

02:12:20.000 The cure that time forgot.

02:12:21.000 Is it legit?

02:12:22.000 So what, didn't we just wake up today to debunk all Dave's theories or what?

02:12:25.000 No, it's not debunking theories.

02:12:27.000 It's just when we bring up something, we have to make sure...

02:12:28.000 I don't even know that's what he was talking about.

02:12:30.000 I mean, I just brought it up.

02:12:32.000 No, that's right.

02:12:33.000 That was the thing he was talking about.

02:12:35.000 But that SteriPen thing is 100% legit.

02:12:38.000 I know they absolutely do use that.

02:12:40.000 I know they have used UV light to kill bacteria and viruses.

02:12:44.000 But the SteriPen thing...

02:12:46.000 How does that thing work?

02:12:48.000 Google that, SteriPen.

02:12:50.000 It's like the military pens.

02:12:51.000 You can drink ocean water with the desalination stuff and you can take crazy sewage water and make it drinkable.

02:12:58.000 I don't think that's the same pen you're talking about, but I know they got a lot of stuff like that.

02:13:02.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:13:04.000 UV water purifier. 0.97

02:13:05.000 It's pretty fucking wild. 0.92

02:13:07.000 Just with light. 0.99

02:13:08.000 So if you see how it's used there, they just dunk that sucker in the water and it kills everything. 0.96

02:13:14.000 Which is wild. 1.00

02:13:16.000 You just have this little pen that you dunk into a Nalgene bottle filled with pond water and you could drink that shit. 1.00

02:13:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:23.000 It's very interesting.

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:26.000 So did you find a good benefit when you did that?

02:13:28.000 The blood thing?

02:13:29.000 Happy wife, happy life.

02:13:31.000 It made your wife happy? 0.92

02:13:33.000 Because I went with her.

02:13:34.000 Oh.

02:13:36.000 Yeah.

02:13:37.000 But did you feel better after doing that treatment?

02:13:39.000 I'm sure I did a little bit, but I think the going with her was better than not.

02:13:45.000 Right.

02:13:45.000 It was a fun thing to do for us to just do health together.

02:13:50.000 You're married, and I'm sure your wife is probably very happy, very healthy, and...

02:13:56.000 I think, you know, it's a good thing when you can do stuff like that with your significant other.

02:14:03.000 For sure.

02:14:04.000 Find things outside of the norm that you guys have in common that you like to do.

02:14:09.000 Health is something that's really important with us.

02:14:11.000 Pam's been, you know, my Florence Nightingale when it came down to the whole illness. 0.93

02:14:17.000 And helping me with not only my current issues with the longevity and the continued maintenance that I'm under for my skeleton that's been damaged from the fusion and all the other stuff that I've had done to my body.

02:14:35.000 And just, you know, being a great moral support.

02:14:39.000 You know, there's times we fight.

02:14:40.000 I think every couple does.

02:14:42.000 And we've been married over 30 years, which is a huge accomplishment.

02:14:48.000 That is.

02:14:48.000 Congratulations.

02:14:49.000 Especially when you think about some of the people that...

02:14:52.000 In the music business, I can't think of a lot that I know that have been married that long.

02:14:56.000 Alice Cooper is my godfather.

02:14:57.000 He's been married 27 years, I think.

02:15:00.000 So, yeah, you don't find a lot of people that have been married for a long, long time.

02:15:06.000 You don't find a lot of people that are married a long time in regular jobs.

02:15:09.000 But in rock and roll, I'm sure it's way smaller.

02:15:12.000 Well, that probably had a lot to do with Britney Spears and that Kevin Federline 45-second marriage that they did in Las Vegas so many years ago.

02:15:20.000 That had to do with it?

02:15:21.000 I think what happens when you have a bunch of little impressionable fans that are listening to a band and the front person or the leader of the band does stuff, absolutely right that people can be influenced.

02:15:35.000 Do they get influenced?

02:15:36.000 Do I think that people went out and just got married and got divorced right away because of that?

02:15:40.000 No, but I think that the Institute of Marriage has been cheapened from people not taking it seriously.

02:15:46.000 If you're going to marry somebody, it's supposed to be your soulmate.

02:15:52.000 You see beautiful things in nature like those eagles and their death spiral when they're mating.

02:15:57.000 Is that beautiful?

02:15:58.000 I think the flying and a lot of the courting that you see these other birds and animals and stuff when they change their color to appeal to the mates.

02:16:11.000 That to me is really neat.

02:16:12.000 I've often wondered why in the animal kingdom that the males are so much more It's interesting.

02:16:20.000 But there's so many different things, you know, for me when I look at how my relationship with Pam is because I've tried to really, really be in the marriage and in the parenting.

02:16:34.000 When we would come home from tour, I'd be gone so long that, you know, she obviously had to leak over into being the dad every once in a while.

02:16:43.000 Which she didn't like and, you know, I don't think the kids liked it either.

02:16:47.000 So when I came home, instead of coming home and saying, okay, this is how it is, this is my way, I had to really quickly ascertain everything and see, you know, what's going on and to help.

02:16:55.000 If I didn't like what was going on, I needed to address that privately and in front of the kids and make sure that we were, you know, we were properly...

02:17:02.000 We're good to go.

02:17:22.000 I wasn't a spanker with my kids.

02:17:24.000 They got spanked a couple times, but it was not something that was done a lot in our house because I'd been spanked so much as a kid. 0.54

02:17:33.000 But I think about when you have two parents and one's gone for so long, especially in the military too.

02:17:41.000 You know, you come home and you've got to learn that family dynamic.

02:17:43.000 That's why it gets so difficult because one person has to make do and then someone else comes in and maybe screws everything up, maybe doesn't.

02:17:51.000 You know, so...

02:17:52.000 That's the dilemma of being on tour for so long, right?

02:17:55.000 Yeah, it is.

02:17:56.000 You have to...

02:17:57.000 I remember the guys in Iron Maiden.

02:17:59.000 There was a guy that was their tour manager.

02:18:00.000 I think his name was Dickie Bell.

02:18:02.000 I think he was their tour manager.

02:18:04.000 And he would come home from touring.

02:18:06.000 And this is a known thing with the tour.

02:18:10.000 With those guys from Maiden, that the guy would go to a hotel and stay there for a week after every tour, just to detox from being on tour.

02:18:17.000 And I get it.

02:18:18.000 You know, when I go home, the last thing I want to do is pick up my phone and not get room service.

02:18:26.000 Spanking is a very controversial topic with people. 1.00

02:18:28.000 It is with a lot of them.

02:18:30.000 A lot of people don't believe it's ever justified in any way.

02:18:34.000 You know, I'm kind of on the fence about that because I think there's a fine line between spanking someone and beating them.

02:18:40.000 Yeah.

02:18:41.000 You know, and it's like...

02:18:43.000 When I lived in Florida when I was a kid, I got paddled once at school.

02:18:48.000 Yeah, me too.

02:18:49.000 They used to hit you at school.

02:18:50.000 Me too.

02:18:50.000 Me and this kid got in a fight and we both went to the principal's office.

02:18:54.000 You got a swat. 0.98

02:18:54.000 And we got one swat on the butt and it hurt. 0.98

02:18:57.000 Yep. 0.98

02:18:58.000 It hurt and it was humiliating. 1.00

02:18:59.000 It was humiliating that a man makes you bend over and whacks you on the ass. 1.00

02:19:04.000 I don't think it was good though. 0.99

02:19:07.000 I don't think it's a smart thing and I don't think they do it anymore.

02:19:11.000 But I get what they were trying to do.

02:19:14.000 They had order, I guarantee you that.

02:19:16.000 They definitely had order in the class because of that.

02:19:18.000 That threat of paddling was real.

02:19:20.000 Right.

02:19:21.000 Well, I guess the motive behind it is what's important.

02:19:24.000 If you discipline with anger, then you're not disciplining because disciplining is supposed to be a conjunction of discipline And teaching.

02:19:33.000 So if you're disciplining your child, you're supposed to teach them.

02:19:36.000 You're not supposed to hit them.

02:19:37.000 So one of the things I've always said, anybody asks me about, you know, advice for parents, I always say, kiss your wife goodnight, tell her you love her, don't ever discipline your kids in anger.

02:19:48.000 And kids need structure.

02:19:51.000 Do you think that spanking is still good? 0.98

02:19:53.000 Do you still believe in it?

02:19:56.000 Do I... Like if you were to do it all over again, would you spank kids? 1.00

02:20:01.000 Well, it depends on what it's about.

02:20:02.000 You know, Lecter never got spanked.

02:20:04.000 So, I mean, she was a child that could be reasoned with.

02:20:08.000 And Justice only got, like I said, spanked a couple times. 1.00

02:20:13.000 And, you know, he was...

02:20:20.000 There was a lot of stuff that was going on, behavioral stuff that Justice was struggling with because I wasn't there.

02:20:26.000 So I know that the family dynamic really needs to have two parents there.

02:20:33.000 I mean, it takes a village thing, that quote, whatever the saying, idiom, cliche, epithet.

02:20:40.000 It's true.

02:20:41.000 You need to have more than just one person parenting.

02:20:43.000 You need help sometimes because the parents will get exhausted and overwhelmed and sometimes you need someone to just step in for a second and say, I got this.

02:20:51.000 I think people are missing the village these days.

02:20:54.000 There used to be a thing where people would help with each other's children as well.

02:20:59.000 Children would learn from other parents as well.

02:21:01.000 The other men in the tribe, you know? 0.77

02:21:04.000 And if the dad couldn't handle a boy, then another dad would come along and find out what the interests were.

02:21:10.000 And, you know...

02:21:12.000 What was that?

02:21:13.000 Is that lightning?

02:21:15.000 Jeez.

02:21:15.000 Yeah.

02:21:16.000 That was loud.

02:21:16.000 This is...

02:21:17.000 They agree.

02:21:18.000 Yeah, the Lord has spoken.

02:21:21.000 You know, just to come alongside people.

02:21:23.000 For me, I think part of the only reason that I made it was because I did have people come alongside and did have them speak into my life.

02:21:32.000 And it is difficult when you've got someone who's not your dad or your mom trying to tell you how to do things.

02:21:39.000 You want to say, you're not my dad.

02:21:42.000 Well, that's one of the things that really helps young men with martial arts is to find these figures, these male senseis and martial arts instructors that they look up to that have great morals and ethics and talk about things in front of the class.

02:21:58.000 And when you're a kid and you admire your instructor so much and it's such an important role model and such an important authority figure.

02:22:07.000 That has a great benefit on kids, too, in terms of ability to recognize the importance of discipline and being able to do things that make that person proud of your behavior and the way you conduct yourself and also your work ethic.

02:22:22.000 My work ethic changed tremendously once I started working with Sensei Benny.

02:22:27.000 You know, also my ability to be able to tolerate people when they would say stuff to me that I didn't want to necessarily hear, you know, because before, you know, people would say sit down and I would sit down, but on the inside I was standing up, you know.

02:22:43.000 And nowadays it's like I don't need to be in the front row.

02:22:48.000 I can enjoy the show just as much from the second or third row.

02:22:53.000 Don't you think that benefit that comes from martial arts training also is in the exertion itself?

02:22:58.000 There's something about the explosive nature of martial arts, like hitting the bag, hitting pads, sparring, all that stuff.

02:23:04.000 It exhausts all this need for aggression that a lot of young men unfortunately have in our genes.

02:23:11.000 You can get that out and it makes you a more reasonable, polite person.

02:23:16.000 Yeah.

02:23:17.000 I just was talking to Justice when we were coming back from class the other day.

02:23:21.000 He's just started training with Professor Reggie.

02:23:25.000 He's got his first stripe, so he's really excited about it.

02:23:27.000 And I said, see, the thing, son, is that you never know who you're going to come across who's going to have more knowledge than you.

02:23:36.000 And right now, you know that as a white belt, with even just one stripe, you really don't know very much at all.

02:23:43.000 And that you never know when you're going to come across somebody who may look like they're just somebody that you can push around and you say the wrong thing.

02:23:51.000 Just like that one fighter down in Brazil who tragically lost his life.

02:23:55.000 I can't remember what his name was, but Professor Richard was talking about that guy.

02:23:58.000 Oh, Leandro Lowe.

02:24:00.000 Terrible, terrible story.

02:24:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the reality of violence, right?

02:24:05.000 And avoid it whenever possible.

02:24:07.000 Absolutely. 0.99

02:24:07.000 And I really do believe that for young men in particular, that it's great to find some sort of an outlet in that way where you can express all the anger and all the shit that just comes with being a man. 0.99

02:24:21.000 You can get that out in training and it makes you so much more reasonable in regular life. 0.67

02:24:27.000 It's a giant benefit.

02:24:29.000 How did you end up hurting your neck?

02:24:31.000 Is that from music?

02:24:33.000 It was from headbanging.

02:24:34.000 Yeah.

02:24:35.000 I had been headbanging for so long.

02:24:37.000 I got degenerative disc disease in my neck.

02:24:40.000 And then I have...

02:24:41.000 There's two forms of...

02:24:44.000 Stenosis?

02:24:45.000 Stenosis.

02:24:45.000 There's the one where the bone closes in on the nerve.

02:24:48.000 And there's the other one where the nerve swells up inside of the hole.

02:24:51.000 So I have both of those.

02:24:53.000 And they were going to do...

02:24:54.000 I think it's called a phrenectomy or something like that.

02:24:56.000 A phrenectomy or something where they go back in and they bore. 0.78

02:24:59.000 A hole around the nerve, and I said, no way.

02:25:02.000 I was in an emergency room, and it was right near my birthday, and we were supposed to play Yankee Stadium with the Big Four.

02:25:11.000 And I couldn't move my arm.

02:25:13.000 It had frozen.

02:25:14.000 And I went in, and the guy said, you need emergency surgery right now.

02:25:17.000 You're probably not going to walk again.

02:25:19.000 So I said, okay.

02:25:21.000 And I told my manager at the time, this guy named Mark Edelman.

02:25:24.000 We were managed by Irving Nasoff's group up in Hollywood.

02:25:27.000 And...

02:25:27.000 He called up and told Metallica's management that I needed emergency surgery on my spine or that I wouldn't be able to probably play or walk again.

02:25:38.000 And the guy called me a pussy. 1.00

02:25:40.000 And I thought, oh boy. 1.00

02:25:42.000 Jesus Christ, what a bad manager.

02:25:45.000 Oh my God.

02:25:47.000 They gave me a shot.

02:25:49.000 They fixed me up.

02:25:50.000 I flew out there.

02:25:51.000 I drove to the stage in a golf cart with a neck brace on.

02:25:54.000 All over the stage, there was paper that said, don't.

02:25:57.000 Headbang.

02:25:58.000 Because my neck was barely holding on.

02:26:01.000 And then I went home and I went to Marina del Rey, I should say, and had my neck fused together.

02:26:10.000 It took a long time.

02:26:11.000 I still have that neck brace.

02:26:12.000 I need it from time to time because, you know, my neck kind of leans forward a little bit.

02:26:17.000 All the head banging and stuff has made these muscles in here really disproportionately because they had to go through the front in order to get to the bone here.

02:26:25.000 And this muscle in the front is much like a corset.

02:26:27.000 So they pulled it aside and this side had to come across farther because they had to go in here.

02:26:33.000 So when all these muscles grew back, they kind of grew in sideways, and then they had to grow over.

02:26:38.000 So there's all this weird stuff.

02:26:40.000 These two lines coming down right here are a byproduct of trying to stretch a lot.

02:26:46.000 And I don't mind about getting old, but I do mind getting stiff.

02:26:51.000 Do you do exercises for your neck to compensate for it?

02:26:54.000 What do you do?

02:26:55.000 Well, I have a couple of things.

02:26:57.000 I have a traction device that you stick your head in and you sit down and it pulls it up like this.

02:27:02.000 And then I've got a rack that you lay on and your neck gets slid that way. 0.97

02:27:06.000 I've got another rack that you put on and you pump it up.

02:27:10.000 And the front goes up.

02:27:12.000 And then I got another one that I've got one of those guns like you have at the front door, the Hypergun, Hypervolt gun.

02:27:18.000 Those are very helpful.

02:27:21.000 Have you ever done stem cell therapies on your neck at all?

02:27:24.000 Not yet.

02:27:25.000 Not yet.

02:27:25.000 I've been trying to see what's going to happen with where we're at with my whole situation with cancer before I start taking any more surgeries or anything.

02:27:36.000 Have you ever used a device called the Iron Neck?

02:27:39.000 Have you ever heard of that?

02:27:40.000 Never heard of it.

02:27:41.000 The good thing about it is you're not articulating those discs.

02:27:44.000 You're not moving them, but it still strengthens your neck.

02:27:47.000 You put it on your head like a halo, and it has a bungee cord that attaches off the halo, and you vary the amount of tension on the bungee cord based on the position you are in relationship to where it's connected.

02:27:58.000 So if you pull back further, it's more tension.

02:28:00.000 You're just using your head like this?

02:28:01.000 No, you don't bend your hand back and forth at all.

02:28:03.000 You turn it sideways.

02:28:04.000 There it is right there.

02:28:05.000 See that thing right there?

02:28:06.000 We'll give you one.

02:28:07.000 We have one here if you want.

02:28:08.000 Excellent.

02:28:09.000 Yeah.

02:28:09.000 So what you do is you pull.

02:28:12.000 See how his muscles are engaged?

02:28:14.000 Yeah.

02:28:14.000 And then he's going to turn to his right shoulder and turn to his left shoulder.

02:28:17.000 And as you do that, it strengthens the muscles on the neck, but without bending your neck forward and back.

02:28:24.000 So if you have, you know, from headbanging, I'm sure that area gets irritated very easily.

02:28:29.000 Yeah.

02:28:30.000 Bending forward and back.

02:28:31.000 And the back is hot.

02:28:32.000 So what this does is it strengthens your neck while it's in a straight posture.

02:28:36.000 So you do this and this with it on.

02:28:38.000 So it's strengthening the neck, but see how he's using it?

02:28:41.000 See there?

02:28:42.000 Oh yeah.

02:28:44.000 See, that's actually right here at the Onnit Gym.

02:28:47.000 That's here in Austin.

02:28:49.000 So as he's doing that, the tension on the actual halo itself, you vary.

02:28:54.000 So in the beginning, like, you could do it very easily and build up to it, and then eventually you can get it to where, see that thing as you adjust that little dial, that red dial?

02:29:04.000 Is it like a TRX2 where you're leaning out, increases to the...

02:29:07.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

02:29:08.000 And also, because it's a bungee cord, it's a direct connection to the amount of tension.

02:29:14.000 It's just directly proportionate to how far you pull it backwards.

02:29:17.000 Yeah, it's great.

02:29:18.000 So see how he's doing this?

02:29:20.000 They call that the Stevie Ray.

02:29:26.000 Or the Ray Charles, rather.

02:29:27.000 Excuse me.

02:29:28.000 I meant Ray Charles.

02:29:29.000 Because Ray Charles used to move his head like that.

02:29:32.000 So as he's doing that, he's strengthening all the muscles in his neck, but he's not putting undue stress in a forward and backward way.

02:29:42.000 There's a bunch of different exercises you can do with it.

02:29:44.000 There's videos online.

02:29:45.000 We'll give you one of those.

02:29:46.000 It'll help you.

02:29:47.000 Thank you.

02:29:47.000 When anybody has a fucked up neck, I always have a lot of advice because I've gone through a lot of shit with my neck and luckily figured out ways to strengthen it and make it much better.

02:29:56.000 But that's sort of a common thread in jiu-jitsu. 0.99

02:30:00.000 So many people in jiu-jitsu wind up with fucked up discs. 0.80

02:30:02.000 You know, the first couple months that I trained, I had so many injuries. 0.94

02:30:07.000 I sprained my right elbow, and then I had ribs on both sides that got...

02:30:12.000 Separated?

02:30:13.000 Beat up pretty, but they didn't break.

02:30:15.000 I don't know what happened to them, but they hurt.

02:30:18.000 A lot of times you get the tear between the two ribs as, you know, they'll get pushed forward and you'll get injuries inside the ribs.

02:30:24.000 That's really common.

02:30:25.000 I was just saying, when I started, I was, you know, obviously not in great health and not very flexible either.

02:30:32.000 So I think a lot of that happened when, you know, we were doing some tosses and I would grab on because I didn't want to go flying through the air.

02:30:39.000 I wasn't comfortable, you know, hitting the mat yet.

02:30:41.000 And I used to do that with Yukita Con all the time.

02:30:44.000 You know, I just had gotten out of it and I'd forgotten.

02:30:46.000 So...

02:30:47.000 It's also age, my brother.

02:30:49.000 Yeah, it is.

02:30:51.000 Cocoon.

02:30:51.000 Yeah, father time beats us all.

02:30:53.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that.

02:30:56.000 But I love the fact that, I mean, we were 58 when you started Jiu Jitsu?

02:31:00.000 Somewhere around that age?

02:31:01.000 I think so, yeah.

02:31:02.000 That's amazing.

02:31:02.000 About 57, maybe.

02:31:03.000 And you've got to Purple Belt, which means you can get to Black Belt.

02:31:06.000 Once you get to Purple Belt, you can get to Black Belt. 0.96

02:31:08.000 It's just a matter of time and effort.

02:31:10.000 It's that hump between white and blue that's the big hump.

02:31:13.000 That's what Professor Reggie told me.

02:31:15.000 He said that most people quit at that part right there.

02:31:17.000 And I was thinking, God, that's the part where I'm the most angry that I want to get through, you know?

02:31:21.000 And I've since changed my mind because I looked back and I remember Sensei Benny saying, you don't digest, you just chew.

02:31:31.000 Ha ha ha!

02:31:31.000 And I said, what do you mean?

02:31:33.000 He goes, you gobble.

02:31:35.000 You just chew.

02:31:36.000 You don't digest the material.

02:31:38.000 And I went, okay, okay, I'm slowing down now.

02:31:39.000 Because I just wanted to train every day with him.

02:31:42.000 And he would say, no, you need to take a day off.

02:31:45.000 You need to take two days off, whatever.

02:31:47.000 So...

02:31:48.000 Well, there's a thing in learning technique in particular with any kind of martial art that's very important to learn it correctly because you can learn bad paths and then those paths, even if you get past them when you get tired, when you get fatigued or when you're under stress,

02:32:04.000 you'll revert to your earliest teachings.

02:32:06.000 Yeah, to the bad habits, yeah.

02:32:08.000 When I was teaching Taekwondo, I had a really hard time trying to teach people that had learned something the wrong way already.

02:32:14.000 Yeah.

02:32:15.000 So they threw kicks, but they didn't have the right amount of power because they weren't using their hips properly. 0.93

02:32:20.000 So I tried to express, like, there's a way to articulate your hips.

02:32:24.000 You're not doing that.

02:32:24.000 You're just kicking with your leg.

02:32:26.000 And when they would get tired or when- Just flop it out there.

02:32:30.000 Or they'd get nervous if they were competing.

02:32:31.000 It would just fall apart and they would go right back to their earliest teaching, which is- Really, to me, ingrained early on in my mind, you got to learn something right the first time. 0.99

02:32:40.000 You don't want to unlearn shit. 0.98

02:32:41.000 It's very hard, like when you're talking about guitar, it's very hard for people to unlearn. 0.99

02:32:45.000 Like once you learn something, I guess guitar doesn't really matter because some of the greats, like Hendrix, I think, didn't he learn?

02:32:52.000 Wasn't he self-taught as well?

02:32:53.000 You know, I don't know.

02:32:54.000 I'm not exactly sure, but...

02:32:56.000 God, I didn't know you're such a big Hendrix fan.

02:32:58.000 Oh, I love him.

02:32:58.000 That's why there's posters of him everywhere.

02:33:00.000 When I was a kid, I just was blown away.

02:33:03.000 I don't remember what the first song I listened to, but the sounds that this guy was making with his guitar.

02:33:08.000 I was like, this is insane.

02:33:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:33:10.000 It's like, and as I was saying before about music, one of the things that's so fascinating to me is that someone's expressing their creativity through these sounds, and these sounds literally change the way you feel.

02:33:23.000 They do something to you that just excites all of your nerves and all of your sensations to this point where it's a great song that comes on at the right time is an amazing drug.

02:33:35.000 It sure is.

02:33:37.000 It's a drug that your mind produces based on someone else's creativity.

02:33:40.000 Pick you up, pull you out.

02:33:42.000 That's why I named this the Joe Rogan Experience.

02:33:44.000 It's based on the Jimmy Harris Experience.

02:33:47.000 That's excellent.

02:33:50.000 It seemed like the only name for it at the time.

02:33:53.000 It's perfect.

02:33:55.000 We're very fortunate, especially today, that someone can tell you about a song and you can have access to it almost instantaneously.

02:34:03.000 Just pull it up on your phone and then, bam, next thing you know, you're listening to it in your car.

02:34:07.000 It's a wild time for the consumption of other people's work.

02:34:11.000 Whoever thought Captain Kirk would have all that stuff on his wrist that one day...

02:34:16.000 Screw Captain Kirk.

02:34:17.000 What about Dick Tracy with the watch that...

02:34:20.000 Calling Dick Tracy.

02:34:22.000 Calling Dick Tracy.

02:34:22.000 We thought that was so impossible.

02:34:23.000 Now it's 100% normal.

02:34:25.000 No kidding.

02:34:26.000 There's so many people out there with Apple Watch.

02:34:28.000 I have friends that wear an Apple Watch when they go out and they don't even bring their phone.

02:34:32.000 They just have like earphones, like earbuds. 0.99

02:34:34.000 So they'll put earbuds on and they'll talk through their goddamn Apple watch. 0.99

02:34:38.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:34:39.000 You know, that's one of the things I can't stand is going out to dinner with people and they'd sit on their phone across from you.

02:34:44.000 It's a bummer.

02:34:45.000 Well, I think one of my friends who does it says that this makes me not look at my phone.

02:34:49.000 I'm not looking at my phone, but if someone needs to call me, I could still talk to them on my watch.

02:34:55.000 That's justification of abuse.

02:34:57.000 It is, but at least he's not on Instagram, checking Facebook all day.

02:35:02.000 He's just using the watch and making phone calls and stuff.

02:35:06.000 It's probably a little better, right?

02:35:09.000 If you're only getting phone calls and text messages through your watch.

02:35:12.000 You ever do that, Jamie?

02:35:13.000 You ever leave the house with no phone, just a watch?

02:35:17.000 Like if I go on a run or exercise.

02:35:19.000 And do you ever make phone calls or talk to people when you're doing that?

02:35:22.000 Yeah, and it's actually come in real handy. 0.93

02:35:24.000 One time I had my phone fall out of my pocket in someone's car and I was like, oh fuck, how do I get a hold of them? 0.79

02:35:29.000 Hopefully this watch thing works. 0.71

02:35:31.000 Oh, that was the first time you used it?

02:35:32.000 Yeah, they called me, hey man.

02:35:35.000 Come back? 1.00

02:35:38.000 You got my shit? 1.00

02:35:40.000 Do you ever get on social media? 1.00

02:35:42.000 Do you do any of that?

02:35:43.000 We had the very first website back in 1994 when Countdown to Extinction came out.

02:35:49.000 Wow.

02:35:49.000 No, when Euthanasia came out, and it was called Megadeth, Arizona.

02:35:52.000 And we had the first chat room.

02:35:55.000 Really?

02:35:55.000 Yes, I remember being immersed in every waking moment of my life when I came out.

02:36:02.000 There was a guy named Charles who was the webmaster, and we were in Telnet. 0.98

02:36:10.000 All that fucking sounds, my goodness. 0.97

02:36:13.000 Yeah, the modem sounds. 0.99

02:36:14.000 Yeah, and so we were so far ahead of everybody else.

02:36:18.000 Gene Simmons even said, hey man, I want one of those banned website things like Megadeth does.

02:36:22.000 Wow.

02:36:23.000 So yeah, we had the first website and we've tried to always be at the forefront with our band, with what we're doing.

02:36:30.000 This record is no different.

02:36:31.000 We have NFTs that we're going to be releasing with our fans.

02:36:35.000 Do you understand NFTs?

02:36:36.000 Yeah, I do.

02:36:37.000 Do you?

02:36:37.000 Tell me.

02:36:38.000 I have something for you.

02:36:40.000 It's a very special gift for you.

02:36:42.000 I'm excited.

02:36:42.000 Yeah, well, now that I think about it, I was thinking about something else, because I've got some little souvenirs and stuff from touring over there, so I have a little teeny thing from the Hendrix experience I was thinking about sending down here to put up on the wall or something.

02:36:55.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

02:36:56.000 I would love that. 0.99

02:36:56.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:36:57.000 Yeah, it might not be as cool as your other things you got here. 0.98

02:36:59.000 It'll be fucking cool as shit! 0.96

02:37:01.000 Yeah, but the other thing... 0.98

02:37:03.000 What were we talking about?

02:37:04.000 The other...

02:37:07.000 What was the other thing we were talking about just now?

02:37:08.000 Oh, your website.

02:37:10.000 We're talking about social media.

02:37:11.000 Social media, yeah.

02:37:12.000 Okay, so in the beginning, I did the Twitter stuff.

02:37:16.000 We were very, very, very active with Megadeth Arizona, which was our chat room, and then we had Megadeth.com, and then we had what was called The Diner, was what they called the chat room with Megadeth Arizona.

02:37:32.000 That lasted for a while.

02:37:33.000 Then there was some woman who said she invented it all and we kind of said, look, we don't want to be part of this website over here.

02:37:41.000 We want to take Megadesk.com and we want you to let us free.

02:37:48.000 The label was basically doing the website domain hosting at the time and I knew the future of the web.

02:37:55.000 I knew what was going on with the beginning internet and Now that we're on the cusp of Web 3.0, you know, with cyber currency and cryptocurrency, I mean, and with the NFTs, you know, we've got our NFTs are going to be launching September 13th,

02:38:11.000 which is going to be my birthday consequently.

02:38:14.000 And we also have a lot of things that are membership oriented where all you need is a little Megadeth coin to...

02:38:23.000 And it gives you access to all kinds of other really cool things like meet and greets, concerts, early ticketing, or different merchandise nobody else is going to get.

02:38:33.000 And with the non-fungible tokens, it's so involved with everything.

02:38:40.000 All I can tell you right now is I've looked at other people's NFTs that they have.

02:38:46.000 And I think we're a little bit farther ahead from other people with their NFTs.

02:38:52.000 You know, the Bored Ape Yacht Club, however you say it, was really...

02:39:02.000 Cool kind of thing in the beginning, and it's taken on life all of its own.

02:39:06.000 And then, you know, you look at the NFTs that Ozzy did, the Cryptobats.

02:39:10.000 You know, a lot of people like it because it's 8-bit, and it looks like it's, you know, old, old-school Atari kind of stuff, you know.

02:39:17.000 But I think that when you do something like that, you also run the hazard, if you will, of...

02:39:24.000 Somebody's saying, you're not doing it.

02:39:27.000 Somebody else is doing it for you.

02:39:28.000 So we try and be as authentic as possible and make sure that we know what we're doing, we know what we're talking about, and we know how it's going to benefit the fans.

02:39:35.000 I think people really like that in terms of social media too.

02:39:38.000 When they find out that someone's posting on social media for you and pretending that they're the band or pretending they're the comedian or whatever, people get upset at that.

02:39:45.000 Right.

02:39:46.000 Well, I don't post on the Megadeth socials because that's the whole band.

02:39:50.000 For my own personal stuff, I do.

02:39:51.000 What is your personal account?

02:39:53.000 Dave Mustaine.

02:39:55.000 That's it.

02:39:56.000 We did this long enough ago where there's no real challenges to the name.

02:40:03.000 And the social services, the different ones you're talking about, they're congenial enough, I don't know if that's the right word, but to work with us and make sure that, you know, hey, you've got some imposters,

02:40:19.000 got Dave's name out there.

02:40:19.000 It's not like You know, Buck Owens, where everybody, you know, Tom Smith.

02:40:22.000 Right, Dave Mustaine's pretty distinctive.

02:40:25.000 It is.

02:40:26.000 It's a one-of-a-kind name.

02:40:27.000 It's hard to find another guy like that out there.

02:40:28.000 Yeah, so that's one of the things.

02:40:32.000 You know, the thing I'm most excited about right now is what we're going to be doing with the whole Web 3.0 experience for fans.

02:40:39.000 I don't want to see this turn into an isolation kind of thing where the fans...

02:40:44.000 You know, they get into the Web 3.0 stuff and put on their Oculus Rift helmets and start going into this world and not coming up, you know.

02:40:57.000 But in the same token, it's also going to be exciting to see who's going to be able to pull off the first legit, viable...

02:41:04.000 Authentic concert in that...

02:41:07.000 In virtual?

02:41:08.000 Yeah, in virtual.

02:41:08.000 Because, I mean, you know, you look at a lot of it, and stuff that people are doing, like the hologram stuff that was going on, and everybody was saying, like, holograms, Tupac Shakur, Elvis, oh my god, are you kidding?

02:41:19.000 Right.

02:41:19.000 But then when you get there in the concert and you see it, it's a little bit wanting.

02:41:22.000 Well, also, Tupac looked like a crossfitter. 0.65

02:41:25.000 Like, they made it a little too vain.

02:41:27.000 They didn't really duplicate Tupac's body.

02:41:30.000 They made Tupac super jacked.

02:41:32.000 Oh, of course!

02:41:33.000 No, I didn't.

02:41:34.000 Oh, let's pull it up, because it's really interesting.

02:41:36.000 Because, like, Tupac was always, like, a pretty thin, healthy guy, but in this, it looked like he had done a cycle.

02:41:43.000 He's on the weight pile? 0.99

02:41:44.000 Yeah, and started fucking hitting... 0.99

02:41:46.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:41:47.000 I mean, come on.

02:41:49.000 That dude looks like Kamaru Usman.

02:41:51.000 Look at his six-pack.

02:41:52.000 That's incredible.

02:41:53.000 Look how jacked he is in that photo down there, Jamie.

02:41:55.000 Look at that.

02:41:55.000 Which one's real?

02:41:57.000 That's the fake Tupac.

02:41:58.000 He's pretty skinny.

02:41:59.000 But the real Tupac did not look like that.

02:42:02.000 It wasn't that built.

02:42:03.000 That's a hologram?

02:42:04.000 Look how jacked he is!

02:42:06.000 That's not fair.

02:42:08.000 Because, like, if you were going to bring back Hendrix and make Hendrix look like a bodybuilder, people would be like, what are you doing?

02:42:13.000 I mean, look at that.

02:42:14.000 Look how jacked he is.

02:42:16.000 That's, like, a legitimate 20 pounds heavier than Tupac really was in real life.

02:42:21.000 That's crazy. 0.97

02:42:21.000 That's silly. 0.97

02:42:22.000 That's the first time I saw that. 0.85

02:42:23.000 I didn't think it was going to be that.

02:42:24.000 I thought it was going to look like, you know, R2-D2. Right.

02:42:26.000 Like, what if they brought Biggie back, but they made him look like Mike Tyson?

02:42:30.000 Everybody was like, come on, man.

02:42:31.000 That's not what Biggie looked like.

02:42:32.000 No.

02:42:33.000 You can't be vain.

02:42:35.000 That's the real Tupac.

02:42:36.000 See, he's pretty thin.

02:42:37.000 Yeah, he's thin.

02:42:38.000 Pretty, like, in the right-hand corner, that one next to that, Jamie?

02:42:42.000 Yeah, I mean, he's in...

02:42:43.000 That's not him, that's not him, that's not him.

02:42:44.000 That's not him?

02:42:44.000 That's from a movie, so...

02:42:45.000 That's not him?

02:42:46.000 Yeah, the pictures are getting confused.

02:42:48.000 But what is that?

02:42:48.000 That's an actor.

02:42:49.000 Oh, wow, he looks a lot like Tupac.

02:42:52.000 Sure did.

02:42:53.000 So that's him.

02:42:53.000 Okay, so that's perfect.

02:42:54.000 Look at that.

02:42:55.000 So he's thin, he's got a six-pack going on, but, I mean, he does not have nearly the bulk.

02:43:00.000 The fake one was just super jacked.

02:43:05.000 That's him for real life.

02:43:07.000 He's pretty good shape.

02:43:08.000 Good shape.

02:43:09.000 Yeah.

02:43:09.000 But like, you know, thin, like a thin boxer.

02:43:12.000 You know?

02:43:13.000 Like someone who's fit, for sure.

02:43:15.000 Flyweight or something, yeah. 0.97

02:43:15.000 Yeah, but not like fucking super jacked like that hologram, dude. 0.97

02:43:19.000 If I saw that hologram, I'd be like, damn, man. 0.99

02:43:22.000 I wish I looked like that for real. 0.98

02:43:23.000 Yeah.

02:43:24.000 Get in shape, man.

02:43:25.000 Time to get in shape.

02:43:26.000 Yeah, there's the hologram. 0.99

02:43:28.000 I mean, the hologram is fucking jacked. 0.99

02:43:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:43:31.000 But it's the virtual world.

02:43:33.000 To me, what's interesting about that is people that don't have access to your concerts can't go.

02:43:38.000 I would like it as a supplement thing. 0.87

02:43:40.000 It'd be fucking amazing. 0.90

02:43:41.000 If you had a virtual reality concert where someone... 0.95

02:43:44.000 Could sit there in like the second row and see people in front of them and it feels real and they get to see you guys actually perform the actual real high-definition video of you there but in a virtual space where you can move around and actually watch you right in front of them.

02:44:00.000 That's an amazing experience.

02:44:01.000 So you're saying like set up some of those 360 cameras in the second row and have people be able to look all around.

02:44:07.000 Yeah, that sounds totally doable.

02:44:08.000 I know ZZ Top was doing that when they were filming themselves live, but ZZ Top isn't a really high-energy band.

02:44:14.000 You would need a real live crowd, too, though.

02:44:17.000 I would think you need to do one of your real concerts and have people with the cameras in the crowd so it feels like you're there.

02:44:23.000 That would be incredible.

02:44:24.000 We won a Clio Award for having the best virtual reality performance.

02:44:30.000 It wasn't about the virtual reality performance.

02:44:33.000 It was the best business idea.

02:44:34.000 And this company is known for giving out awards to Honda, to Palmolive, to Procter& Gamble and stuff like that.

02:44:41.000 And we got the award because the forward and extra cerebral thought process that comes from our brain trust and doing a 360 degree virtual reality concert where they came,

02:44:57.000 they got the...

02:44:58.000 Is that this right here?

02:44:59.000 Yeah.

02:44:59.000 They got the CD package and the CD package came with the...

02:45:16.000 That's amazing.

02:45:22.000 So that helmet, does this, 25,000 units worldwide of these helmets?

02:45:26.000 Is that what that's saying?

02:45:27.000 That's the CD and the app.

02:45:29.000 I can't remember how many of these things there were, but we had...

02:45:34.000 Oh, so that's it?

02:45:35.000 That was the thing right there I was holding, yeah.

02:45:36.000 And does it matter what kind of phone?

02:45:38.000 There's the camera.

02:45:39.000 Wow.

02:45:40.000 No, I think it was a Droid.

02:45:43.000 Right.

02:45:44.000 A lot of them are Androids. 0.81

02:45:46.000 Yeah.

02:45:46.000 That's like Samsung has...

02:45:48.000 Oh, there it was.

02:45:48.000 There it was.

02:45:49.000 They were just showing you how to make it.

02:45:51.000 Show that again, Jamie?

02:45:52.000 Right there.

02:45:53.000 So this is the box.

02:45:54.000 You take it out.

02:45:56.000 You open it up.

02:45:56.000 And was this like a specific Droid that would do this?

02:45:59.000 Because I know Samsung had a thing where when you would buy their phones...

02:46:03.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:46:04.000 And you'd put the lens in there.

02:46:07.000 Wasn't that what Samsung was doing for a while, Jamie?

02:46:09.000 Do you remember that?

02:46:10.000 They had a thing that came with one of their Galaxy phones that was like sort of a headset type deal.

02:46:17.000 Yeah, but the Oculus has now erased all that stuff.

02:46:20.000 But yeah, there was an option for that for sure.

02:46:23.000 Yeah, but I don't think they do it anymore though.

02:46:25.000 Probably not because, yeah.

02:46:26.000 Oculus is so good.

02:46:28.000 So do you guys have this available for things like Oculus?

02:46:31.000 That version, I think it's sold out.

02:46:33.000 I don't think they made any more of those.

02:46:35.000 It was a limited edition.

02:46:36.000 Have you thought about doing that for like HTC Vive or Oculus or any of these platforms that do virtual reality?

02:46:42.000 You know, I did the very first interview that Oculus ever did.

02:46:44.000 They came to my house in Fallbrook and the guy brought a duct taped together prototype of the Oculus camera and gave me the headset and I put that in and the very first scene that I ever saw was a dog walker walking dogs down the beach in San Diego because the guy had just gone there Before he came to my house,

02:47:07.000 and he filmed some dog walkers, and I thought, this is the coolest thing ever.

02:47:11.000 And I think you might be able to find it online.

02:47:13.000 They show this picture of me by my pond in my house we used to have in Fallbrook.

02:47:18.000 It's a beautiful, beautiful place, but the picture made it look like five times as big.

02:47:23.000 It was really amazing.

02:47:24.000 And seeing the Oculus Rift thing in its beginning stages, you know, I didn't really have a lot of Oomph!

02:47:32.000 With my desire wanting to pursue this.

02:47:35.000 I knew it was something neat.

02:47:36.000 I knew it was cool.

02:47:37.000 But, you know, he told me that the guy from Doom, I think it was.

02:47:40.000 John Carmack.

02:47:41.000 Yeah, he was going to get involved in that.

02:47:42.000 He did.

02:47:42.000 And he put like $75 million or something into the company.

02:47:46.000 And, you know, because I wanted to get in on that too.

02:47:49.000 And I... Don't know whatever happened.

02:47:52.000 You know, we talked, I did some press for them, and the next thing you know, we've got this opportunity to do the performance.

02:47:59.000 We win an award.

02:48:00.000 Gone.

02:48:01.000 Now we're on to the next thing.

02:48:03.000 There's a lot of really cool things you can do with those Oculus now, and one that you might enjoy as a martial artist is they have boxing games.

02:48:10.000 Oh, really?

02:48:11.000 Yeah, they're great.

02:48:12.000 And it's a surprisingly good workout because you hold the hand things and then you put the helmet on and you're in this ring with like this virtual box or this cartoon boxer.

02:48:23.000 And every time they hit you with a jab, your vision lights up.

02:48:27.000 Oh, wow.

02:48:27.000 Like you got rocks.

02:48:28.000 Sensory, yeah.

02:48:29.000 Yeah, it's really cool.

02:48:30.000 It doesn't hurt, you know, obviously, but you get the sense like, oh my God, I got hit.

02:48:34.000 What's it called?

02:48:35.000 There's multiple games.

02:48:37.000 It's not Fight Camp, is it?

02:48:38.000 No, Fight Camp is different.

02:48:39.000 Fight Camp is pretty cool, too.

02:48:41.000 I got Fight Camp in my house.

02:48:42.000 It's great.

02:48:42.000 Fight Camp is essentially like Peloton, but with combat sports.

02:48:48.000 So you have sensors that are on the heavy bag, and you have sensors that are in your gloves, and then you follow along with a video that'll tell you what to do, and it's great, because it forces you to do what they're doing, and you don't work out to your pace.

02:49:01.000 You work out to a trainer's pace.

02:49:03.000 But these games...

02:49:04.000 There's more than one.

02:49:05.000 There's a ton of them.

02:49:06.000 There's a ton of them for archery, a ton of them for other things too that are fun to do.

02:49:10.000 But the boxing one is a particularly good workout.

02:49:14.000 I was surprised.

02:49:15.000 I was like, oh my god, I'm gassed out.

02:49:16.000 This is crazy.

02:49:17.000 Because you're really going after it with this.

02:49:20.000 And you're not hitting anything, which is actually sometimes when you're moving fast, it's harder because nothing's absorbing your shot.

02:49:26.000 So since nothing's absorbing your shot, you have to kind of slow it down yourself.

02:49:30.000 So as you're throwing these punches and you're moving around...

02:49:33.000 Because you're doing it pretty fast.

02:49:34.000 You're not doing it just like you're just shadowboxing and moving in front of a mirror.

02:49:38.000 You're doing it where you're trying to hit this thing that's hitting you.

02:49:41.000 And so as you hit it, it registers.

02:49:43.000 You see, as your gloves touch it, it reacts to it.

02:49:46.000 So it feels...

02:49:48.000 You don't hit anything, but it feels like...

02:49:52.000 This is it?

02:49:52.000 Yeah, this is one of them.

02:49:53.000 There's many of them, though.

02:49:54.000 So you can actually duck under punches and move around.

02:49:58.000 It recognizes where you are in 3D space because the playing area is mapped out. 0.64

02:50:04.000 So you map it out on the floor, and if you walk past those ropes, it would give you a red screen that shows you that you're fucking up and you're in the wrong spot. 0.70

02:50:15.000 It's really fun. 0.80

02:50:16.000 But it's good for people for a workout.

02:50:20.000 It's a game that you play.

02:50:22.000 Yeah, here you go.

02:50:23.000 See you guy doing it.

02:50:25.000 You know, I got one of Raging Bull's boxing gloves.

02:50:28.000 Oh, really?

02:50:29.000 Jake LaMotta?

02:50:30.000 Yeah, one of Jake LaMotta's boxing gloves, yeah.

02:50:31.000 Oh, wow.

02:50:32.000 I got a picture of him signing it, too.

02:50:34.000 Oh, that's very cool.

02:50:35.000 Yeah.

02:50:36.000 When did you meet him?

02:50:37.000 When I first came to Nashville, there was a boxing match that they had.

02:50:40.000 It was a celebrity boxing match, and this attorney fought this other attorney, and I thought, good, killed both of you.

02:50:48.000 Jake LaMotta.

02:50:49.000 Wow, that's pretty cool.

02:50:50.000 Doug Stanhope used to party with him.

02:50:52.000 He was living in Bisbee, Arizona for a while.

02:50:55.000 Doug Stanhope is a brilliant comedian.

02:50:58.000 He's a good friend of mine.

02:50:59.000 He lives in Bisbee, Arizona.

02:51:01.000 Did you say his name is Doug Stand-Up?

02:51:03.000 Stand-Hope.

02:51:03.000 Oh, Stand-Hope.

02:51:04.000 I was going to say, what a great comedy name.

02:51:06.000 Yeah, I would be suspicious.

02:51:08.000 I'd be like, let me see your birth name. 1.00

02:51:10.000 Certificate, bitch. 1.00

02:51:11.000 Here it is. 1.00

02:51:12.000 Jake LaMotta smoking cigarettes.

02:51:14.000 Oh, my God.

02:51:15.000 Isn't that great?

02:51:16.000 Drinking and smoking cigarettes.

02:51:17.000 He looks tired.

02:51:18.000 Wow, he's 150,000 years old in this picture.

02:51:20.000 Yeah.

02:51:20.000 I mean, everybody in his era is long dead.

02:51:23.000 I mean, Ray Robinson, long gone.

02:51:26.000 Yeah.

02:51:26.000 From that era.

02:51:27.000 The golden years.

02:51:29.000 It was a great year.

02:51:30.000 Great time, rather, for fighters.

02:51:33.000 I mean, it's not so great for their health, but, man, those guys fought hundreds of times.

02:51:36.000 When I was a little kid, I used to have these little plastic models that you'd make, you know, like the Revell ones.

02:51:42.000 And, you know, they'd make, like, cars and planes.

02:51:45.000 Mattel?

02:51:46.000 Revell.

02:51:47.000 Revell was the name of the company.

02:51:48.000 Oh, like a glued-together model, those kind of deals?

02:51:49.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:51:50.000 And I remember having this one model where it was half of a boxing ring, and it was Gene Bell...

02:51:58.000 And Jack Tunney?

02:52:00.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:01.000 Sure, Jack Tunney.

02:52:02.000 I think that's what it was.

02:52:03.000 It was a real old boxing match.

02:52:05.000 This is like back in the 60s when I was a kid doing this.

02:52:09.000 And I thought it was the neatest thing because I'd never seen any models of boxers before.

02:52:15.000 That is cool.

02:52:16.000 I don't know why I thought of that, but I remember distinctly now seeing the two fighters.

02:52:21.000 Do they even make those anymore?

02:52:22.000 They don't like them for kids because they sniff the glue.

02:52:24.000 Probably not, yeah.

02:52:26.000 That glue's toxic.

02:52:27.000 It is. 1.00

02:52:28.000 That shit's terrible for you. 1.00

02:52:29.000 I always used, as a kid, I had one of those... 1.00

02:52:31.000 You always used glue?

02:52:32.000 Yeah.

02:52:33.000 I always did a lot of models when I was a kid.

02:52:35.000 I had, like, when I was a kid, one of those TIE fighters, those Star Wars things. 0.98

02:52:38.000 You glue it together and shit.

02:52:40.000 Yeah, there was always a bunch of, like, cool little models. 1.00

02:52:42.000 Cars.

02:52:42.000 He's always putting together model cars.

02:52:44.000 That was a thing.

02:52:45.000 Yeah.

02:52:45.000 Remember the guy that did the bug-out kind of hot rod, you know, the guy with the big eyes and bloodshot eyes?

02:52:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

02:52:55.000 Daddy rat, rat fink, whatever it's called. 0.99

02:52:57.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.76

02:52:58.000 Yeah, that was the stuff that I used to make too when we were making models was a lot of those, like, oh God, what do they call it?

02:53:06.000 The snake and the mongoose.

02:53:08.000 Yeah.

02:53:10.000 I did some foreign car mechanic work when I was younger.

02:53:24.000 Oh, yeah?

02:53:28.000 And mostly on English cars and mostly Triumphs where you had to take the clutch out.

02:53:36.000 And in order to get the clutch out of those things, you had to take the whole front down where your feet are, the whole console out of the car and then go under the car that way.

02:53:47.000 And I thought, surely these guys are making me do this the hardest way possible.

02:53:53.000 What kind of cars are you into now?

02:53:55.000 Well, I have English stuff.

02:53:56.000 My wife and I both have a Range Rover.

02:53:58.000 She's got a Bentley, and I have an Aston Martin.

02:54:01.000 And my daughter, she has a Range Rover.

02:54:05.000 Justice, I gave him an Aston, and he traded it for a Raptor, which I think a lot of people would say he's nuts, but I think here in Texas, a lot of people would probably say they understand. 0.98

02:54:17.000 Those things are fucking great. 0.97

02:54:19.000 Yeah, they are. 0.98

02:54:19.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:54:20.000 But why English cars?

02:54:22.000 Why are you so into English cars?

02:54:23.000 Well, I don't know.

02:54:24.000 I used to hate English cars and I had Mercedes for pretty much all my driving adulthood.

02:54:30.000 And I had a manager at one point.

02:54:32.000 He said, yeah, you should just get an Aston Martin.

02:54:34.000 And I said, really?

02:54:36.000 And that was the one after Pierce Bronson, who I thought was the worst James Bond of all.

02:54:42.000 Yeah.

02:54:43.000 Who's the best?

02:54:44.000 Huh?

02:54:44.000 Who's the best James Bond of all?

02:54:46.000 I think now, because I've been able to see some living, breathing James Bonds, I thought Daniel Craig was good.

02:54:52.000 Thank you.

02:54:53.000 I thought Sean Connery was cool until I found out that he likes to smack his ex-wife around or whatever.

02:55:00.000 Everybody's got skeletons in their closet, and it's better not to even hear about it.

02:55:05.000 When I find out stuff like that, it's so disappointing.

02:55:08.000 That's why they say never meet your heroes.

02:55:10.000 Yeah, I think Daniel Craig was the most believable of all the James Bond.

02:55:14.000 I believe he was an assassin.

02:55:16.000 That made sense to me.

02:55:17.000 Looked like it.

02:55:18.000 Fit the role.

02:55:19.000 He wasn't so artificial.

02:55:22.000 Right.

02:55:23.000 Well, it's also a product of the times, right? 0.98

02:55:25.000 During the Roger Moore days, it was more silly. 1.00

02:55:29.000 James Bond was silly. 0.98

02:55:30.000 It was comedy. 0.99

02:55:33.000 Yeah, it was all the smarmy talk and one-liners.

02:55:39.000 Yeah, catchphrases.

02:55:41.000 In the Daniel Craig era, it was more a realistic action movie.

02:55:45.000 Not necessarily realistic.

02:55:47.000 That first movie when he started off on that crane, I was hooked.

02:55:51.000 You know what?

02:55:52.000 He could have been dead right there and I would have watched the rest of the movie.

02:55:54.000 I love those movies.

02:55:55.000 It was so great, yeah.

02:55:56.000 Well, listen, Dave, I chewed up three hours of your time.

02:56:00.000 I appreciate you being here.

02:56:00.000 I hope I make my flight.

02:56:02.000 I hope so, too.

02:56:03.000 I appreciate you being here, though, man.

02:56:04.000 Yeah, you got it.

02:56:05.000 It's great to hear your story.

02:56:06.000 Thanks.

02:56:06.000 It's great to meet you finally.

02:56:07.000 You, too.

02:56:08.000 It's cool.

02:56:08.000 So, thank you very much for everything.

02:56:10.000 You're welcome.

02:56:11.000 I have something I want to give you today.

02:56:12.000 Alright, well thank you for that too.

02:56:14.000 And that's it.

02:56:15.000 Alright, thank you.

02:56:16.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 23, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1861 - Dave Mustaine

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