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00:06:51.000That it is that we live in 2012 and we have this incredible depth of religion that's still controlling our lives.
00:07:04.000How is it possible that something that seems so, like, it seems so, if you're rationally looking at it, you would go, okay, maybe there's some truth behind any of this.
00:08:10.000I mean, reason is a great tool, but if it doesn't give you answers to the things that scare the hell out of people, people are going to want some answers, whether they're bullshit answers or not, doesn't matter.
00:08:20.000It's like, give me some answers because otherwise it's too damn scary.
00:08:22.000Is religion then a tool to allow people to psychologically adapt to the next stage of evolution?
00:09:23.000If you really did have a dude, St. Peter, who's like the FBI, who's just been following your life since you were a baby, and he's like going over a day, why'd you do this?
00:09:39.000Does that really stand for something, though?
00:09:42.000I wonder if that ideal, this ideal of having to live a karma-free life and having to have done only good things, only be pure, and then you get to a moment.
00:09:57.000Are they envisioning a moment of ultimate enlightenment?
00:10:02.000I mean, what is the idea of the heaven?
00:11:06.000You know, like you're just in a lot of smoke, you know, all the time.
00:11:09.000So, like, you can have full relationships, you can get girls pregnant, you can still get a driver's license, but everything's just really smoky.
00:12:24.000There's a lot of things I like about it.
00:12:25.000There's plenty of cool people in Vegas.
00:12:28.000The reality is, when you get people and you just let them go free like that, you give them 24-hour free reign, go drink, and you just wind up doing ridiculous shit.
00:12:40.000Funny though, because you see these people that are going all wild, doing all this crazy shit, and you know that they are the ones who are at 9am at work, in suit and tie, and you're like, this is the carnival for the slave, you know?
00:12:52.000I know, it must be a fucking grind to try to go back to work after a weekend of that.
00:12:58.000But people who live there, man, they must get an extraordinary view of humanity.
00:13:03.000They would be like great psychologists.
00:13:07.000People who live in Vegas, they probably understand a lot about people.
00:13:10.000If you work at a casino, say if you're like some dude, you could be like a guy who's like a real crafty dude who lives in Vegas could really describe humanity in a very unusual level.
00:17:34.000I mean, there's no way he could be talking this much if he doesn't have a belief.
00:17:38.000But anybody who believes something that they can't really prove and believes it to a point where they're willing to base their lives on it like that...
00:19:16.000If a girl, like, had a diaper on, she had shit all over it, and she was really hot, and you had a bunch of napkins and, you know, some hot towels and what, you would clean her ass and then fuck her.
00:19:58.000Do you think that the Bible was initially created just to try to keep people in line?
00:20:03.000Do you think it was created like, look, these are some stories, this is some lessons that we've learned, and then it just kind of like got out of control?
00:20:13.000Sometimes you use it as a tool to control people's behavior if you feel that they are too fucked up, but also it's an internal thing.
00:20:20.000I think it's not just, I know this is bullshit, but I'm gonna feed it to them just so I keep the crazies in line.
00:20:25.000I also think that some of the people themselves who start some of these things feel it, need it, they desperately need it to the point where They will, they are going to be the first one to stick their own lives on it.
00:20:37.000And that's, I guess, the Santorum thing.
00:21:48.000I think this is the best time ever to do something like that because even though people are complaining that times are tough and unemployment is bad, and it certainly is, the economy is in a terrible position, but it's still better than any time in human history.
00:22:01.000There's really been no better time as far as safety, as far as the access to get food and medicine.
00:22:09.000If there's ever a time for us to get our shit together, like on paper, now is it.
00:22:16.000Like together as like a group of humans, instead of bound by some crazy words that were written first in ancient Hebrew.
00:22:25.000First of all, they were told as an oral tradition for like a thousand years first.
00:22:48.000Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things.
00:22:49.000There's what are the official scriptures of every religion are one tiny part of what used to be out there.
00:22:56.000And then people, I mean, you get to the cases of Christianity where literally they get to vote on which books are sacred and come from God and which ones are not.
00:23:31.000A lot of these was, because it wasn't like, oh, we decide this is God's stuff, and so the other stuff, well, read it if you want.
00:23:37.000No, it's like, we have to burn it, because it must be the devils, and so it must be terrible and horrible, and we need to squash any possible other alternative, and so let's burn them all.
00:23:46.000So when something else pops up that shows a different side to it that wasn't made a part of the official canon, then it makes everybody feel like, what the hell is going on?
00:23:55.000So we can't base our life on this, or can we?
00:23:58.000I mean, most people are going to ignore it anyway, because otherwise it messes with their categories, but that's basically the attitude.
00:24:08.000Think about the concept of faith, the stuff that's at the basis of Judaism, Christianity, Islam.
00:24:14.000Think about the story that they all revere, they all think is a great idea.
00:24:18.000God shows up, tells Abraham, I really think you should kill your son.
00:24:24.000And they were like, well, I mean, I don't want to kill my son, but you know, if it's God speaking, well, in that case, sorry, boy, come on, you know, let's go.
00:24:43.000Last time I checked, when you hear these embodied voices telling you you should kill people, listening to that is now what should make you the guy who everybody looks up to and thinks, what a great example of fate.
00:25:12.000Old Testament is about as wonky as it gets, right?
00:25:15.000But they said that the Dead Sea Scrolls were even wonkier.
00:25:19.000There's a lot of Dead Sea Scrolls stuff that hasn't even been included.
00:25:22.000That is the oldest written version, right?
00:25:24.000Just because it's not part of the official canon doesn't mean that it's all good stuff.
00:25:31.000It's easy to fall into the pattern of, oh, these evil bastards manipulated the things, put on these horrible things in the books, and so everything that got squashed must be good.
00:26:01.000You know, one of the coolest things is the science of putting together the pieces because a lot of them are in leather.
00:26:08.000And one of the ways they put together the pieces was they did genetic testing on them to find out which ones came from the same animal so they knew that it was a piece of one skin.
00:26:23.000And they're still putting that fucking thing together.
00:26:26.000You know, people are still trying to decipher it.
00:26:28.000Which probably over the last 2,000 years they found a bunch of those things, but you know, 500 years ago somebody would have looked at it and is like, hmm, you know, maybe I can start a fire with it or something.
00:26:39.000Yeah, when you're starving and you have to cook the book, that's it, you cook the book, you know?
00:26:44.000If you need something to light a fire, you're gonna fuck that book, light it on fire, we're gonna die tonight, you know?
00:27:02.000Yeah, it's amazing to think that human beings can be so fucking creative and then so destructive.
00:27:08.000What people don't understand is there was some sort of incredibly advanced society that created ancient Egypt.
00:27:18.000I mean, to this day, there's a bunch of puzzles when it comes to The immense construction, the fact that how much just actual mass was moved, just the size of some of these obelisks.
00:27:33.000I mean, it really is incredible society, and they knew a lot of things.
00:27:38.000And all of it was wiped out in a fire.
00:27:43.000I think there was two different times they were attacked.
00:27:46.000Like, man, how much further would we be if we knew all that shit?
00:27:52.000But it's the same kind of stuff that happened even in other places.
00:27:55.000Because when the Spaniards came over out here, when they conquered the Aztecs, and the Aztecs were one of the indigenous people that had big libraries and had books and had written language and the whole thing, and the Spanish approach was like, well, Does this look like the Bible?
00:28:19.000I mean, it's like, you guys are not Christians, so you must be devil worshippers, and as such, we should burn everything you've ever done, because it's all crap.
00:29:22.000It's one of the pyramids, the bottom of the pyramid.
00:29:25.000There's this gigantic stone head of a snake.
00:29:28.000And it's like, where the hell is the body?
00:29:30.000It's like, because that one day of the year when the sun rises, it eats the shade of the steps in such a way that it looks like the body's coming down the pyramid.
00:29:38.000It's like, Can you imagine building that whole thing and then you have shitty weather?
00:29:57.000There's one in the Temple of Luxor, I think it is, where the light comes down this corridor and illuminates this whole room on one day of the year.
00:32:11.000I mean, around there, you see the transition from tribal religions that tend to be more mellow, flexible, because they are not written down.
00:32:18.000It's a relatively small society, so there's a lot more flexibility about the beliefs.
00:32:22.000So they are generally mystic, shamanistic kind of beliefs.
00:32:25.000But then when you turn them into a big society with, like, millions of people living in it, they become...
00:32:30.000You still have a lot of the stresses of that stuff.
00:32:32.000It's all about spirits and this and that.
00:32:34.000But then they become much more rigid, official.
00:32:40.000And you know, so it's kind of a more structured type of animism that in my mind kind of pretty much eliminates whatever is good about animism to begin with.
00:32:50.000You tweeted a Robert E. Howard quote the other day.
00:33:51.000When I was a kid, man, I became hooked on the Conan novels.
00:33:55.000And he was a really nutty dude and wound up taking his own life, right?
00:34:01.000Yeah, I don't know if he's true or not, but the legend tells it that he would say that at night he would get there to write and suddenly he would see the shadow behind him.
00:34:11.000And he wouldn't turn, but you could tell that it was Conan carrying a giant axe ready to chop his head off unless he wrote all night.
00:34:19.000And he would stay there and like sweat and write and write and write.
00:36:14.000And I find it interesting that then he's the same guy who comes up with some of the concepts for UFC, you know, how the, uh, Gracie's had brought over.
00:36:21.000Cause he was one of their students, you know, really this was one of the students of the Gracie's and he was the Gracie's.
00:36:27.000They had, uh, Art Davy and they went Milius as kind of a creative, uh, director into the first UFC who started coming up with some of the ideas that then somebody else designed for the octagon and all of that.
00:38:43.000When I'm judging a fight, I'm not judging a fight, but when I'm doing commentary on a fight, All I'm trying to do is sort of objectively assess what I think someone could be doing differently to try to get themselves out of a spot if they're not winning.
00:39:55.000Well, he, you know, it also, you could get fucking, after doing that for a long time, you could get, it's possible you could hurt your back.
00:43:22.000It changes all the time because different levels of guys will enter the game, and that's when things get weird.
00:43:27.000Things get weird when you get a really high-level striker that all of a sudden learns how to sprawl and is really good at wrestling.
00:43:34.000Maybe we wrestled a little bit in high school, and then all of a sudden, boom, he's in the UFC, and you've got to deal with this.
00:43:40.000You get to a really high-level, professional Muay Thai-type fighters who have really crisp striking, If one of those guys, one of those really top-end guys, one of those Ernesto Hoos in his prime, one of those guys steps into the UFC, everything changes in that division.
00:43:56.000And then everybody has to figure that guy out now.
00:43:58.000Everyone has to either evolve around his skills, find a way to be able to stand with him.
00:44:23.000You've got some young kid who's really confident, very smart.
00:44:28.000And has unbelievable strength, comes from a wrestling background, and has the longest reach of any fucking human being on the face of the planet.
00:44:35.000And is blasting you, and you can't even get close to him.
00:44:42.000And also, he's creative, because there are a lot of guys today that are awesome athletes, they're great fighters, but they are It's kind of boring to watch because they do what everybody else does.
00:45:13.000When you watch his Shogun fight, watch the Jon Jones Shogun fight.
00:45:16.000If that's not like a symphony, that's like a beautiful work of art.
00:45:20.000What he did is he destroyed one of the best fighters on the planet and he made it look easy.
00:45:26.000It puts art in perspective because fucking Leonardo didn't have some 6'4 dude trying to punch him in the face while he was painting his masterpiece.
00:45:34.000I absolutely believe if you watch the Jon Jones-Leota Machida fight that that is a work of art.
00:45:46.000Everything about it, everything about the fight is incredible.
00:45:49.000The fact that Lyoto tagged him a few times.
00:45:52.000Lyoto looked great, but he just caught Lyoto, got him on the ground, dazed him on the ground, and then caught him in that standing guillotine.
00:46:07.000That absolutely is a different type of art.
00:46:09.000I like watching sometimes somebody's entire career kind of rather than watching a bunch of fights from different people.
00:46:15.000Like watch one guy and watch back to back fights of their style and you see the evolution of their style and you really see a style there at work and it's awesome.
00:46:23.000Yeah, that is a fascinating thing to watch guys evolve.
00:46:26.000You know, I remember Anderson Silva's first couple of fights.
00:46:29.000When he first started fighting in Pride, he was primarily a stand-up guy, and he got submitted when he went to the ground, like Takahashi, I think it was, got him in a mounted triangle, and then with wrestling shoes on, I think he did.
00:48:14.000These just precise counters, and Lieben's charging forward, and he's blasting them with kicks and knees and punches, and you're like, God damn, is he good!
00:48:25.000His fight with Forrest Griffin, I mean, what the hell can you say?
00:48:29.000Well, you know, one of the interesting things is that Forrest, I had an interview with him about that, and he told me that he had gotten knocked out twice in training camp before that fight.
00:48:38.000So, right away, he probably shouldn't have even been in there, you know, right?
00:48:43.000I mean, if you get knocked out in a training camp like two times, how many concussions are you allowed to have, like, really close back-to-back like that?
00:48:51.000Yeah, it's probably this close to somebody touching you the right way, and you Yeah.
00:48:54.000Well, there's been a few fighters that have had that happen to them, and they both got knocked out exactly the same way.
00:48:59.000One of them was, there was a dude who was fighting in the UFC for a while.
00:49:41.000Anyway, Travis Luter caught Marvin Eastman with a right hand and just like at the end of the punch and Eastman went down like he got shot.
00:49:47.000Like he got sniped from a fucking tower.
00:49:52.000He had gotten knocked out twice in training camp as well.
00:49:55.000He was knocked out once, I think, by Tito Ortiz accidentally.
00:49:58.000Like, ran into a knee and knocked down another time on a takedown attempt.
00:50:02.000So, you know, when that's happening, man, you know, you can get knocked out super easy.
00:50:07.000Speaking of MMA and religion, that was one of my favorite moments ever when Eastman lost a fight to Vitor Belfort.
00:50:14.000Belfort did that crazy knee and spooking open and everything.
00:50:17.000And then they have the cameras in the post-fight interview on Balfour saying, Thank you, Jesus, for giving me the strength to do what I do.
00:50:25.000And then they pan on Marvin Easton and his face is like, his whole head is split open.
00:50:30.000I think you said, if I remember correctly, you said he looked like a goat's vagina, which I thought was one of the best lines ever.
00:50:37.000It's really unfortunate that I actually said that.
00:50:39.000I should have thought that and just kept it to myself.
00:50:43.000And you see Balfour going out about Jesus giving him the strength, and then you see somebody's open been split with blood everywhere, and you're like, really?
00:50:54.000But then again, with respect to Vitor, good guy, so I'm not picking on him, but...
00:50:58.000I think a lot of fighters really like to believe in the Lord and like to be on a good path because, first of all, I think it helps their fighting.
00:51:06.000I think a lot of guys who are Christians, they have a little bit of extra faith.
00:51:10.000They have a little bit of extra calmness, a little extra belief in themselves.
00:51:14.000If you truly are a believer, there is a benefit to that.
00:51:32.000If you really truly believe in a higher power, it's much more likely that you're going to have at least some sort of a code that you're living by.
00:52:55.000And so in that sense, I find, you know, all the rules giving religions useful for a segment of humanity.
00:53:05.000But then if you want to talk about full potential of human beings, I feel like, no, you can do better than that.
00:53:12.000People have a real hard time with that, though, when you start segmenting human beings and saying that some people are more worthy or some people are more capable or some people are more even evolved, you know?
00:53:26.000Let me explain it so I don't sound too much like an asshole, but I believe in being nice to anybody.
00:53:34.000I don't care, smart, stupid, whatever.
00:53:37.000You should treat everybody giving them opportunity.
00:53:40.000It's like, prove to me that you're not a moron, great.
00:53:42.000I'll give you all the opportunities in the world.
00:53:45.000But at the same time, I can be delusional and expect that everybody's gonna be amazingly smart and you walk into any room and you can throw.
00:53:51.000It's like, I kind of expect people to suck, but I'll give them all the opportunities in the world to prove otherwise.
00:53:57.000And I feel like that way is a healthy balance between being realistic about it and being without turning into a jerk.
00:54:06.000So you think that if the government came out and said, hey listen, we did some studies, it turns out religion's totally bullshit, and we gotta start from scratch because we don't know what the fuck is out there.
00:54:18.000What percentage of people do you think would just go completely batshit crazy and riot in the streets?
00:54:41.000But that's one of the cool things about living in the US today.
00:54:44.000In general, in the Western world, you find...
00:54:47.000A few, not even that long, 100, 200 years ago, they were, you know, you'd burn people on the public square kind of thing if they disagreed.
00:54:55.000Today, even the hardcore fundamentalists, they get all riled up, they get pissed, but they are not the Taliban.
00:55:01.000You know, they may think like them, but they don't act like them.
00:55:03.000Yeah, but we're trying to stop it from getting any further than this.
00:55:07.000Anybody that has that much faith in what they can't see, that's a disturbing thing.
00:55:27.000The one that pissed me off the most of these things is the euthanasia debate.
00:55:32.000The fact that today, in 2012, with the technology that we have, you could let people die in a good way.
00:55:40.000You could let somebody say, look, when I get to that point, I want to be able to shoot me an injection, you put me to sleep, you give me the other one that puts me out without pain.
00:55:55.000You want to go in whatever way you want to go good for you, but you really want to tell everybody else how they die?
00:56:01.000I think it's a tricky thing, man, because I think there's going to be a lot of people that have cranky old grandparents, and they're going to push that motherfucker into that bed and go, look, he's been delusional right now, but he's been telling us to kill him for a couple days, so we're just going to go ahead and do this.
00:56:16.000You have either people should do when they are young.
00:56:19.000What do you want to do in X amount of situations and sign it and deal with it?
00:56:24.000And unless they change their mind, that's what sticks.
00:56:26.000Or they pick somebody that, in the same way as they pick somebody to manage their bank account, they pick somebody who can make those kind of decisions.
00:56:35.000um because otherwise really you are in the position where today if you have a sick dog you can take them to the vet and they are gone in no time with no pain but for human being you have to suffer every step of the way seeing your body go to crap and we're very uncomfortable with giving someone the power to shut off a life yeah we're very uncomfortable with it right it's tricky and in my mind is that's you know when you love somebody you care for somebody and you see them go down that path and that's what they want That's the biggest
00:57:05.000thing you can do for them, is let them die the way they want.
00:58:15.000At that point is where you can have the UFC of give a sword to some dudes, put them in a cage, and have them go at each other for any issue.
00:58:23.000You have a disagreement with anybody over anything.
00:58:26.000Please, settle it with swords in the cage.
00:58:28.000It sounds really stupid to say that people would devolve to that level, but when you get a lot of people together, they sort of devalue each other.
00:58:39.000When you have too many of them, and you add that to poverty and the future and radiation sickness, and who knows what the fuck's going to be going on.
00:58:49.000It's kind of like even in the ancient world where people die left and right all around them, people are a lot less sensitive about human life.
00:58:55.000It's like where you could have the gladiators and people clap and think it's cool because it's like they see people dying left and right all the time.
00:59:02.000Hey, at least you got to die after you train a bunch of months, you look like a hero, you got your head chopped off, but hey, you know, you're going to die anyway in six months in some other way, so might as well.
00:59:12.000Isn't it amazing when you really stop and think about it?
00:59:15.000Isn't it incredible that people ever got past ancient Rome that we ever got to today?
01:00:28.000So I did reread the whole thing and everything to make the connection faster so you don't think about it for five minutes going, you know, but...
01:00:40.000I mean, Caligula was sort of, you know, to the tenth power, but Roman culture in general, Jesus Christ, these guys were violent to a point that, I mean, you know how today there's the, you shouldn't kill people in ways that are cruel and unusual, all of that.
01:00:55.000They are all about, you know, the more violent, painful, and public we can make it, the better.
01:01:00.000You will make a statement to the Fed that you don't fuck with the States.
01:01:41.000The comedy club has these automated locks when they're closed, and so I went out to go, because we're not supposed to shit in this bathroom, because it shits and makes everybody smell the shit.
01:02:59.000Do you think he was, like, clinically insane?
01:03:02.000Do you think he was just mad with power?
01:03:03.000No, I think he was nuts to begin with.
01:03:05.000And then, of course, you grow up in an environment where, you know, your uncle kills all of your family, your brothers and sisters, and have your mom beat up to the point that she loses an eye and then gets her to starve to death.
01:03:16.000You know, that's the environment you grow up around.
01:03:43.000Essentially, they were calling the shots.
01:03:45.000It's amazing that people ever get to a point of royalty, that people allow that hustle.
01:03:51.000It's a very strange hustle that even though there's no fucking food, everybody's starving, there's no prosperity, there's no books, people are so silly, they'll believe that this one guy is worth more than everybody else.
01:04:02.000He controls their armies and he's their noble leader.
01:04:32.000Some guy comes along and goes, listen, these other cults, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
01:04:35.000The way I would do cults would just be really nice, and as long as I'm in control, trust me, I'm really, really honest and objective about this.
01:04:46.000When are we going to fucking figure this out?
01:04:51.000So I got my results back from my physical, Joe.
01:05:47.000You're out in the sun, your body produces vitamin D. That's why when you see like George St. Pierre when he's fighting and he gets tanned, that getting tanned like that actually makes you perform better.
01:08:17.000Basically, the approach that Bruce Lee had to martial arts, I was trying to play adapted to religions, sort of like taking from a bunch of different religions to look at what all the big questions are, look at what some of the answers that are out there to make up your own thing as you go.
01:08:32.000Because ultimately, to me, that's the only thing that anybody does.
01:10:56.000It was awesome therapy for me because I could, you know, while I'm giving my daughter milk, I'm thinking about what the hell is the next line and I had to make it snappy, fast, you know, in quick fashion but funny.
01:12:28.000In the 1800s, this one Chinese guy became converted to Christianity and he started saying that he was Jesus' younger brother, that he had this vision of God that was wearing dragon clothes and told him that Buddhism and Confucianism were all crap and it was his duty to stamp them out.
01:12:48.000So he gathered up all these followers, started preaching in the countryside, getting all these people.
01:12:53.000They became so powerful that they carved out their own state within China.
01:12:57.000And they said that this was going to be...
01:13:01.000I have to find it because this is too good.
01:13:02.000But it was called something along the lines like the Heavenly Kingdom of Everlasting Peace or something.
01:13:09.000Well, the Heavenly Kingdom of Everlasting Peace ended up with the death of 20 million people in the course of civil wars between the Chinese government that was pissed over these guys trying to break away and this kind of weird version of Chinese fundamentalist Christianity fighting against these guys.
01:13:27.000And eventually, when they laid the siege to his city, he was telling his followers, don't worry, God is on our side.
01:13:33.000And, of course, he died shortly thereafter by eating some poison observed by mistake.
01:14:27.000But it's brutal civil war wrecking China for a bunch, which is one of the reasons why a bunch of Chinese people migrated to California at the time when there was the gold rush is because southern China was getting wrecked left and right.
01:15:06.000It's H. Well, Chinese is spelled two different ways depending on how you, but the one that I'm using was H-O-N-G. That's one word.
01:15:16.000And then the next word is X-I-U-Q-U-A-N. Wow, so good luck.
01:15:25.000It's really fascinating the way the Chinese have their language, you know, it's phonetic obviously because they have totally different characters than we have, but the way they've expressed it in like the letters that we use, so it's bizarre.
01:15:38.000Some of the words are really strange, especially like with X's and them and shit.
01:15:41.000Yeah, I mean, my wife was Chinese and she was trying to teach me some Chinese and I was like, I mean, I couldn't say it because she kind of hated Japanese people, but I was thinking, Jesus, couldn't you just be Japanese?
01:16:15.000So you think it's more complicated than English?
01:16:17.000They say English is a hard one to learn, though, for some reason.
01:16:20.000I mean, I'm sure if that's where you come from, if you speak Chinese or something, yeah, English must be a pain in the ass.
01:16:25.000But for anybody coming from a vaguely Latin-based background or any of the Western languages trying to pick up any tonal language, like Chinese, Vietnamese, some of those, it's just like, good luck with that.
01:16:39.000It is pretty fucked up that we all speak in different languages.
01:16:42.000How many problems would be solved if everybody spoke one language?
01:18:24.000Well, I mean, 90% of that are languages that are dying, that are like 30 people in a tribe still speak.
01:18:30.000And it's just like two clicking noises.
01:18:33.000There's one that has four clicking noises.
01:18:35.000Well, how bizarre is it when they have places like there's some spots in the Amazon that they're, you know, just recently discovered people in these tribes.
01:18:44.000And this is the first contact they're having with the modern world.
01:18:48.000And they're in there with their own wacky language.
01:18:50.000They said that one of the few guys who had some contact with them, they promptly killed him.
01:18:54.000So, yeah, good luck making contact again.
01:19:38.000You know, living an ancient tribal lifestyle that we didn't really even think existed anymore.
01:19:44.000They have their own handmade tools and weapons, and they're wearing fucking crazy leaves on their dicks and shit, and animal skins.
01:19:53.000And they're still in there and then these people who are logging are going deeper and deeper into the forest and they're just cutting it down at an astounding rate and there's all these incredible medicines to be found there and all these different plants and animals that haven't even been discovered yet and insects that haven't been discovered yet and who knows what the fuck's in there and they're just chopping that shit down left and right and these people oftentimes are getting caught up in this Where,
01:20:18.000you know, they'd lived there in that forest, deep in there for thousands of years, and then all of a sudden, one day they wake up, and they're fucking, they're watching trees fall in the distance.
01:20:29.000You're like, what the fuck is going on?
01:20:32.000It's an inevitable swarm of tree-eating machines, and all these people, these greedy people behind them, and they don't want to move around you, and they're going to chop your fucking trees down.
01:21:17.000There's a thing called a Brazilian wandering spider that kills you by giving you an erection until you die.
01:21:26.000Yeah, it fucking, it has something to do with nitric oxide, which is like the same stuff that's in, that works in like Viagra and stuff that makes your dick hard.
01:21:36.000And apparently this spider hits you with it and it causes some crazy fucking reaction.
01:22:17.000But I do believe that pharmaceutical companies are like investigating the effect that this thing has on your body to develop new hard-on medications.
01:22:40.000They'll have, like, jeans will have these new pockets or these tubes that just kind of go up to the side where you just put your dick in during the day because you have a rock heart.
01:22:48.000You know, you're going to have a boner every day.
01:24:06.000And, you know, he would do it day after day after day and he's getting delirious and shit.
01:24:10.000It's a really strange, like, documentation on this guy.
01:24:14.000Like, he had done a bunch of different endurance swims before and, you know, like, had got all these people behind him.
01:24:21.000And it's a documentary that's taken by his son.
01:24:24.000It's really interesting because his son, you know, is, like, watching this guy do all this nutty shit and sort of falling apart and all the different parasites he's getting from this water and...
01:24:37.000And can you imagine that you're, you know, that's your father and you keep the camera, you keep going for the next 20 days as the guy, it's just...
01:24:42.000Well, not only that, he would like jump off the boat into the night in the middle of the night and start swimming and they'd have to follow after him with spotlights and shit.
01:25:00.000And he actually kind of looked like once he cleaned up and dried out and everything like that, he actually looked like he made it through okay.
01:26:37.000Yeah, but I mean, I think honestly what happened is that Europe got soaked in blood of religious wars for so long that the people got really...
01:27:31.000I mean, some guys were weird, like you take Thomas Jefferson or something, he basically edited the Bible by cutting up all the stuff that he thought was crap, which was most of it, and saving, you know, like, he took out, out of the gospels, he took out the virgin birth, the miracles, all of the stuff that in his mind was a bunch of crap, and then he saved up the parts of Jesus that he likes, saying, yeah, he's...
01:29:11.000Oh, it's entitled Christian Fundamentalist.
01:29:13.000I would love to introduce you to my pet king, Cobra.
01:29:17.000And there's actually a reason for that.
01:29:18.000Because in the Gospels, there's this story of Jesus telling you that if you really have faith in him, if you are a true Christian and you have faith and all of that, you could take poison, snakes could assault you and bite you, and you'll be totally fine.
01:29:33.000And I was like, wow, you know, if that's what Jesus is saying and if this is what you guys believe, hey, let me bring out the snakes.
01:30:03.000Or you're telling me that that line in the Bible is crap, and it was put in there by somebody else, but it's not real, in which case it doesn't exactly say great things about the reliability of the whole thing, but it's like there's no getting out of it.
01:30:17.000Like, how do you get out of that, you know?
01:30:19.000I had a conversation with a guy recently that was telling me that there are people that believe so much that they can drink poison and not die.
01:30:27.000And I was like, oh man, what a crazy conversation we're having here.
01:30:49.000Hey, if you are right, you have zillions of people following and you'll be the greatest asset to Christianity ever because you made millions converts.
01:30:59.000And actually, to tell the fact that some of these guys really are serious about it, there have been a bunch of people where, particularly in...
01:31:08.000In a lot of, like, Carolinas, Tennessee, a few places where there was this tradition of snake handlers that they would, you know, let poisonous snakes bite them.
01:31:16.000And, you know, quite a few of these guys died miserable deaths, and then some of them, the poison wasn't that much, so they managed to survive and all of that.
01:31:53.000They need someone to just chop out the brush for them and point them in the right direction, whether it's, you know, Christianity, whether it's atheism.
01:32:00.000I've met atheists that might as well have been religious.
01:32:04.000They're so anti-religion that it's a religion in and of itself.
01:32:10.000I had a chapter that was supposed to go in the book that was basically saying that atheist and hardcore fundamentalists are twins separated at birth because they are both based on certainty on how the universe works and all of that.
01:32:23.000But then my publisher decided that you already are offending people of seven million different religions.
01:32:42.000If a real fucking alien battleship, like all these stupid movies that keep coming out, there's another stupid movie coming out where it comes out of the ocean and they fucking go to war with the American military.
01:32:52.000They're shooting cannons at this fucking crazy robot monstrosity thing that pops out of the ocean.
01:32:58.000Damn, I missed that jewel of cinematography.
01:33:28.000But the last time I saw him, he spent a half hour telling me about those motherships coming at the end of 2012, and who knows whether they are nice or not.
01:33:43.000When all the motherfuckers with their degrees and in suit and tie, all the top doctors from Kaiser and all of that couldn't figure anything out from him.
01:34:29.000And sure enough, because, I mean, they did, at Kaiser, I had like seven gazillion tests done from MRIs to blood work to everything, you name it.
01:36:22.000If a real alien culture did come here for another planet, people would really get frantic.
01:36:27.000That's when people would really stock up on food and.50 caliber guns.
01:36:32.000Yeah, but what that's going to do if you're dealing with something that's so much more powerful, so much smarter.
01:36:40.000You think it's possible for a society to get smart enough to be able to travel through space and go and fuck with other people on another planet?
01:36:46.000I mean, look at the stuff we do today.
01:36:48.000If somebody asks you if it was possible 50 years ago, it looks like magic.
01:36:52.000Right, but we're always like one fuck-up away from blowing each other sky high.
01:37:00.000You know, the fact that you can be incredibly smart and come up with all this awesome stuff doesn't mean you are wise enough to know how to deal with it and not fuck everything up, which is...
01:37:19.000Just torched this whole civilization and had to really start from scratch.
01:37:24.000Yeah, that would seriously ruin my day, I think.
01:37:26.000Well, that is the one sort of, I don't want to say justification, but the one sort of argument for having one powerful military that dominates the rest of the world.
01:37:35.000Is that by doing that, at least they keep everybody else from blowing everything up.
01:37:40.000They keep your military from growing to the point where you are able to make the same decisions that we can make.
01:37:50.000If you look at the statistics, what people are like, what the potential for people to behave is like.
01:37:57.000I'm not a big fan of the U.S. government, but when I compare it to a lot of...
01:38:01.000There are a bunch of places and governments that I would like better, and there are many others that I'm like, Jesus Christ, give me George Bush again.
01:38:08.000Just give me the worst crap in the U.S. ever, and still I like it better than the Taliban, you know?
01:39:36.000People in the U.S., they grow up with everything about the country is amazing and wonderful.
01:39:40.000And then when they find out that it's not all amazing and wonderful, that some bad shit happened, they go to the extreme opposite and it's like, everything that's American is horrible, terrible, and the U.S. is responsible for everything that's evil in the world.
01:39:51.000And it's like, No, that's not it either.
01:42:43.000And it's something that should be corrected too.
01:42:45.000There should be a bill that addresses that as well and says, listen, we're going to replace these drug enforcement jobs with the jobs where they're doing something more helpful.
01:43:13.000These aren't really well thought out ideas.
01:43:16.000But if you were trying to come up with a good bill, a good bill would be make marijuana legal, make it readily available and sellable, and then take the jobs that will be lost in drug enforcement and put them into something positive.
01:44:09.000It just seems like it's OK because it's behind the wall of something written down on paper somewhere.
01:44:15.000But the reality of it is it's pretty fucking immoral.
01:44:17.000You know, when you're when you're locking a kid up in a cage because you caught him with some plants or some fungus, you know, that's absolutely it's it's reprehensible.
01:44:33.000It's just, it's just, it's amazing that we still have to have these conversations.
01:44:36.000And not only that we can, because if you look at the political scene, nobody, not Republicans, not Democrats, I mean, nobody who has a shot at winning, let's put it that way, would even bring up this topic, because it's political suicide.
01:44:49.000You know, it's like, you're soft on drag, you really want five-year-olds to be shooting air, you know, it's like...
01:44:55.000The problem is those dangerous drugs, man.
01:44:57.000The problem is those drugs that fucking suck, and we need to really get it out there to kids.
01:45:27.000I once met Albert Hoffman, the guy who created LSD. And one of the things he was telling me was, you know, most of the stuff that goes for LSD around the world is not LSD. Because the stuff, the way I make it, it uses certain compounds that are so rare that there's no way that it could support such much production.
01:45:45.000There just isn't enough of that stuff.
01:45:48.000So you say whatever they sell out there, I have no idea what the hell it is, but it's certainly not my stuff.
01:45:53.000And he argued, who knows, maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but he argued that his stuff would give you kind of all the benefits of LSD without all the crap from street LSD. So street LSD, though, is still giving you the same benefits as the stuff that he produces?
01:46:08.000It just wasn't as taxing in the body, is that what it is?
01:46:12.000Yeah, they made that shit illegal too.
01:46:15.000He was actually, you see this guy, he's like a Swiss chemist, so very serious, old dude, very, now he's been dead for a while, but he's, and he was originally looking for a cure for headache, like he was working on a headache pill, and he came up with LSD. That was pretty funny.
01:46:33.000Yeah, didn't he come up with it and not even realize it, he took it, he accidentally got it in his skin, and it was riding home on his bike, and just tripping his fucking balls off.
01:47:27.000There's a weird thing that you get sometimes when you're talking to one of those old acid dudes.
01:47:32.000You might have seen some shit that's not available anymore.
01:47:35.000They might have seen some limited production view of life through acid.
01:47:40.000You know, acid in the 60s, I would have loved to have seen what it was like.
01:47:44.000Like the flower children of the San Francisco early 1960s.
01:47:48.000I watched that Hunter S. Thompson documentary, Gonzo, The Life and Times of Dr. And it's a fucking fun documentary, but one of the things it talks about was the utopia of the acid culture of the early 1960s in San Francisco.
01:48:03.000And they show all these people running around, holding hands together, tripping their fucking balls off.
01:48:09.000That whole fucking part of the world, it wasn't illegal yet, and that whole part of the world was just...
01:48:18.000Blossoming with all these new ideas and new music and this new like sort of wild psychedelic culture was all like emanating out of this one place and they fucking threw the water on it and squashed that shit.
01:48:29.000Even if you just listen to the music alone and you listen to what was in the 1950s and then you switch to the 60s, it's like what the hell just happened?
01:48:36.000It's like it's a whole other universe right there.
01:48:39.000Yeah, they came up with some fucking incredible shit.
01:48:48.000You know, there are moments in time, man, where if time travel isn't possible, but time recreation is, if they ever figure out a way to recreate, like, we could just go in and peek.
01:48:59.000You know, like, remember those things that you had when you were a kid, the view sliders, and it was like dinosaur, and you would click, click, and it would, like, be the next dinosaur.
01:49:07.000If there was something you could put on, some goggles, and just take a view as to what life was like in a certain area five million years ago.
01:49:16.000Be like a fucking security camera on the wall a hundred million years ago in the jungle and watch dinosaurs run down jacking things.
01:50:12.000If you look at his maps, they are based on, you know, many of the cultures in his sort of fantasy world are based then on cultures that eventually evolve in real historical times that we know of, but it's supposed to predate all the stuff we know.
01:50:25.000So he argues that there was Atlantis and this super powerful civilization and that collapsed and the world went into this hardcore barbarism and then civilizations were rising up again and that's when Conan sets in and then the history we know of that comes down the road.
01:51:54.000You know it's funny, I actually grew up, I watched Conan a million times in Italian and so I never really heard it in English and when I heard Arnold speaking it, I was like, Jesus, this is a whole completely different movie watching it.
01:53:38.000And, you know, every single person I've run into has been really smart, really nice, super polite, but you check out their pages and they all have, like, really interesting people.
01:53:51.000So I was like, man, I'm happy that there are people like that out there, you know?
01:53:54.000I think if you put out that sort of a show, you put out that kind of a vibe and have people like you come on the show and other people that I've had that people have really reacted to, like Graham Hancock and I got this Sam Harris cat that's coming on soon.
01:54:10.000Having really intelligent, interesting people on the show and putting out your personal philosophy on things.
01:55:11.000I didn't figure this out all on my own.
01:55:13.000I had to meet a bunch of people that started behaving like this.
01:55:15.000I had to meet people that had their shit together, that impressed me, that were nice and were positive and that impacted me.
01:55:21.000And I learned from the way they behaved.
01:55:23.000I think we're all doing that for each other.
01:55:26.000And these conversations and these subjects that we're having, these subjects are...
01:55:30.000It's unusual that you would have someone who knows as much religion In your life, as you do, to sit down with and go over this kind of stuff.
01:55:40.000There's not a lot of opportunities that people have to talk to a big group of cool people.
01:55:45.000That's one of the best things about this podcast.
01:55:47.000Yeah, it makes me happy because I'm a judgmental little bastard, so I see a lot of people where I'm like, I don't like you so much and all of that.
01:55:54.000So for me to say, Jesus, I'm blown away by the quality of people that I've run into after that.
01:56:55.000You probably get the message from the guy in Iceland somewhere where he's like the weird guy in the village and everybody else is looking at him like, what's your problem?
01:57:04.000And now he has a chance to realize, shit, there are other people out there who actually can see the world the way I do and they...
01:57:10.000On my message board and on Twitter, there's always people from Norway and Sweden and Iceland and all throughout Europe and all throughout.
01:57:18.000I have people that post from China, from islands.
01:57:24.000The idea of Twitter, the idea of anybody from anywhere in the world, it's like...
01:57:31.000Syncing up through this thing and then there's gonna be something after that.
01:57:34.000It's gonna be they're gonna figure out some next step after Twitter where things are gonna get really strange.
01:57:38.000I hope for one they pick a better name because it really just took me forever to get on Twitter because it wasn't like really do I want to get on something called Twitter now right now on I'll say I tweet it's like Jesus Christ they have some self-respect here yeah it sounds ridiculous they should have called it Conan then I would have respected it that would have been cool Today's episode is called Conan.
01:59:39.000And speaking of which, can you imagine, because up until not that long before, one of the choice form of that penalty was people being impaled.
01:59:47.000So can you imagine if that was the case, people would have hanged around their neck, somebody with a spike sticking to a guy's ass, and that would That's how the originator or the original story that Draco was based on.
02:00:01.000He used to eat his lunch and there's photos of him, or not photos of him obviously, drawings rather, of him sitting at a banquet table while these people are on spikes writhing around him.
02:00:14.000And that's how you would eat his dinner.
02:00:16.000Speaking of human beings, but seriously, could you imagine somebody thinking, hmm, let me figure out how I can shove this giant pole at somebody's ass, but missing all the internal organs so I don't kill them, and then they go slowly, it's like, who the fuck think of that?
02:00:43.000Yeah, and apparently the Vlad the Impaler story was a guy, he was particularly ruthless.
02:00:49.000And one of the things, because he was outnumbered, so he set up a lot of these bodies outside the perimeter of his town just to scare the fuck out of anybody who would come near.
02:00:59.000And it was more like, he was like back up against the wall and had to take some crazy chances.
02:02:54.000Why did people start carrying around a cross?
02:02:56.000Yeah, I mean, it was one of those punishments, like impaling people.
02:03:00.000The idea was, how can we make you suffer the worst possible in a very public way, where people go by and they will see you slowly dying there for three days.
02:03:10.000And it goes back to this desire of rulers in certain states, and the Romans were...
02:03:15.000Perfect example of these guys, but they weren't the only ones doing that, who got into it because it was a way to make a statement, which is don't fuck with us, because if you ever even think of rebelling against us, this is what's going to happen to you.
02:03:28.000And every time you go down the street, you see somebody there and think about you being there, you may want to think about that plan of rebellion that you had.
02:03:35.000How often were they crucifying people?
02:03:37.000And, I mean, you don't have to do it that often to have any impact on people.
02:03:40.000I don't think you need to see that many people crucified for it to stick in your head.
02:03:44.000But you had cases like when the Spartacus Rebellion, where after the rebellion, they grabbed, like, thousands of slaves and nailed them one every so many hundred feet between Naples and Rome.
02:05:50.000And so they decided to execute them all by, you know, sticking them all on crosses between Rome and Naples, where the whole thing went down, and make a very public statement about for other slave thinking of rebellion.
02:06:10.000Because it's not an hour drive or something.
02:06:12.000And that they went from that to a dude at the Emmys wearing, you know, big-ass fucking platinum cross with some nice diamonds on it, maybe white gold.
02:07:40.000You ever drive like into certain towns and they have these giant fucking enormous ones that they hum when you pass by them and they feed, you know, like towns that are like miles and miles away?
02:07:51.000Those are, they can't, it can't be good living next to that, right?
02:08:01.000I don't know, but there's a lot of houses even in Burbank because Burbank still uses those power lines.
02:08:07.000And there's like humongous ones and there are houses below it and you just kind of feel eerie.
02:08:13.000It feels eerie being around that area because there's just humming above you like this humongous power.
02:08:18.000Well, there's different ones like, you know, there's certain areas like really rural areas where you pass by big fucking giant ones.
02:08:24.000I I don't understand much about the science behind providing electricity to cities, but there's obviously a lot of energy going through those goddamn things.
02:08:34.000If your house is just sitting there, the thing is just right above you.
02:08:42.000Is that fucking with some things that you can't see?
02:08:56.000But yeah, that's the thing today that nobody knows.
02:08:58.000It's like, hmm, we have gazillions of cases of cancer, but we don't know why.
02:09:02.000And, you know, there are all these many, many, many things in our environment that are fucked up.
02:09:08.000From the stuff we eat to the stuff, yeah, power lines, to all sorts of things that we don't really know to what degree they do or do not contribute, but...
02:09:15.000The fact that MSG is even allowed to be used today just drives me crazy.
02:10:43.000In India, because of a study of 134 people with stomach cancer who are avid consumers of which food can contain MSG, the Federation of Hotel and Restaurant Owners in Eastern India has asked its members to refrain from using MSG. There's like a website called mstruth.org backslash cancer.htm and it's just all these reports of like where MSG is like, no, it's seriously not.
02:11:16.000There's a really good Thai place that's in Hollywood.
02:11:20.000I don't want to say the place, but Palms.
02:11:22.000But they use MSG. And then I had it once with MSG, and then the next time I returned there, I'm just looking at the menu going, Jesus Christ, they put MSG in their food, and they have it right here on the menu.
02:11:33.000Just like, hey, by the way, we use MSG. So I go, can I have no MSG? And they're like, oh, yeah, sure, no problem.
02:11:40.000And so I got the same shit I got last time.
02:12:37.000The U.S. health nuts avoid it like the plague, but in many parts of Asia it sits on the table along with salt and pepper to enhance the flavor of meals.
02:12:45.000Leading expert in MSG, senior scientist, company name blah blah blah, insists that the definitive link between MSG and headaches has yet to be proven.
02:12:53.000Furthermore, his own research has shown that the hospital patients who have lost their appetite more likely eat their meals when sprinkled with MSG. This, he postulates, could help elderly and sick people improve their appetites, get nutrition they need, and live longer.
02:14:00.000So, I mean, I'm sure it boiled down to real, factual things that people said, you know what, we need to make a hardcore rule because otherwise people don't respect it.
02:14:07.000So let's make it that God said so and, you know, let's have everybody stick to it.
02:14:13.000And then, of course, then they stop making sense when hundreds of years later or thousands of years later, the conditions are different, so they no longer, you know, the animals could be in cleaner conditions or whatever, but then the rule sticks around.
02:14:24.000Some of them are really nuts, you know?
02:14:27.000At a certain point in time, it isn't based on health anymore.
02:14:30.000It's just based on this strange tradition.
02:16:01.000But when you're including religions, are you allowed to include ones that we know somebody made up?
02:16:05.000Yeah, I mean, you can use Scientology.
02:16:06.000I actually don't use Scientology because I feel like it's beyond.
02:16:11.000Why is it any different than what had happened with that one guy with the dragon suit that 20 million people died because he said he was Jesus' brother?
02:16:19.000If Scientology was something that a greater number of people took extremely seriously, then I would say, sure, let's play with it.
02:16:26.000I would agree with you if I hadn't met so many actors.
02:18:07.000Yeah, I'm sure there's an envy level of like, fuck you.
02:18:10.000I want your life, so you must suck for some other reason.
02:18:13.000Yeah, I wonder how much of an effect Scientology has on his success.
02:18:16.000I wonder how much of what he pulled off he wouldn't have pulled off if he wasn't deep in the throes of some I think you're on your way to converting me.
02:18:26.000It's sounding cooler and cooler by the second now.
02:19:21.000What we're trying to do is just get a bunch of people together that we don't really know that much and just soothe them out of their current dogma.
02:20:20.000You know, my game is weird because I roll for the longest time not in formal classes, so my way is weird because I'm lacking some pieces of the game that you should learn when you're a fucking white belt, but then I have other...
02:20:31.000Yes, I don't put my weight, I don't put enough pressure on top, I don't do some of the stuff that you're supposed to do that you learn as basics, but then at the same time I have like weird ass movements that I can tap people who are insanely better than me.
02:23:01.000He's got also an amazing omoplata submission.
02:23:04.000Called the Iminari, where you go, like, you have the shoulder lock, and then you grab an S-grip underneath the guy's face, and you lean back, and it just snaps his neck.
02:24:25.000I mean, even psychologically, going into the game, knowing that somebody has spent the last year training just in order to rip you apart in a more effective fashion.
02:24:35.000Especially when guys start getting super emotional, talking shit to each other, and they get in each other's faces at the weigh-ins.
02:25:01.000It's like the opposite of what you expect.
02:25:02.000Like I kept asking him about fear, you know, going into it and being afraid.
02:25:06.000And it was like a foreign concept to him.
02:25:08.000It was like, I think he wrestled so much as a kid and got over the fear of performance, the anxiety, all of that as a kid, that as an adult, he just look at it as a problem to be solved and it's no big deal.
02:25:54.000That's one of the reasons why he was able to keep fighting, you know, into later ages.
02:25:58.000He was so calm in there, preserved his energy, so efficient and experienced, you know, and that Greco-Roman man, the ability to control guys.
02:26:07.000Apparently, everybody says that Randy Couture was one of the nastiest guys, like when he would grab ahold of the back of your neck.
02:26:15.000There's dudes that have different levels of control, and you really haven't felt it yet.
02:26:19.000A lot of times, if you train with people that only have a certain level of skill, then all of a sudden you train with someone who has a very high level of skill, it's baffling to you.
02:26:29.000You literally aren't even aware that someone could be so good.
02:27:39.000One of the guys that is, Joy Varner, he's one of the guys that, one of the trainers at Extreme Couture, and so he said, let's work on it together.
02:27:48.000He wanted to do it, and then he liked my writing, so he said, hop in, and we'll write it, and do this thing about Randy.
02:27:54.000Because he was saying, you know, most of the MMA books that are out there are autobiographies, which are cool.
02:27:59.000But then in an autobiography, you can only go, you know, you can only hype it up so much because you sound like an ass if you're like, I'm this legendary fighter and all of that.
02:28:08.000Whereas doing it as a third person with a lot of the voices from his opponents, Kind of like a Face in Ali type of thing where you get multiple perspectives.
02:28:18.000It's a different way of telling the story.
02:28:20.000That'll be a great documentary too, man.
02:28:35.000And Tony Halma was this giant fucking pro wrestler dude.
02:28:39.000And Randy Couture ducked under that dude's big punch, got him, took him down, and strangled his ass.
02:28:45.000And I remember thinking, holy shit, look at that.
02:28:48.000Like, that was the difference in, like, one guy was like this big, strong, sort of pro wrestler type character, but the other one had that stupid grappling strength that I remembered from some freaks in high school.
02:28:59.000When I wrestled in high school, you know, when we were in, you know, a certain district, and I went to the, I think it was like the regionals, I forget what it was called.
02:29:08.000But, you know, the guys who'd won, like, certain tournaments would advance to other tournaments.
02:29:12.000And so I got to see, like, the state champion wrestlers, and I got to see, like, some of the really high, high-level wrestlers.
02:29:17.000And I'll never forget, there's the way that really good wrestlers could manipulate guys, like, just toss them and throw them around.
02:29:34.000So when I first saw Randy in the UFC and he took down that Tony Halma guy, that's immediately what it reminded me of.
02:29:40.000Immediately what it reminded me of is the first time that I've ever seen real good amateur wrestlers and went, whoa!
02:29:46.000Like, this is some shit to deal with right here.
02:29:49.000Did you think he had a chance when he fought Vitor?
02:29:52.000Because, I mean, he did beat Halma, but those guys were, you know, the first two guys he beat weren't that good caliber guys, and then when he stepped up to fight Vitor, did you feel like...