The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1880 - Tulsi Gabbard

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00:00:12.000 Hello, Joe.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you.

00:00:15.000 It's good to be back.

00:00:15.000 What's cracking?

00:00:16.000 Nice seeing you.

00:00:17.000 What's it been like?

00:00:18.000 Retiring from being a congresswoman for a wee bit?

00:00:22.000 It feels so weird hearing that word.

00:00:25.000 Retire?

00:00:26.000 Yeah.

00:00:26.000 It's a dirty word.

00:00:28.000 I don't know what that means.

00:00:28.000 I don't believe in retirement.

00:00:30.000 Yeah.

00:00:30.000 I believe in quitting.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, I suppose.

00:00:35.000 Or moving on, rather.

00:00:37.000 Moving on.

00:00:39.000 I've never seen politics as a quote-unquote career.

00:00:43.000 Some people are like, oh, how's it like retiring from Congress?

00:00:45.000 I can't relate to that.

00:00:48.000 I'm just continuing the work, but in a different way.

00:00:51.000 Well, the way you did it, though, is what most people should do.

00:00:54.000 Like, when people are running for office, and then they're also in a job, like, you're not doing a good job at that job.

00:01:01.000 There's no way you can be.

00:01:02.000 Like, running for office, just campaign financing, just raising the money for the campaign has to be crazy.

00:01:09.000 The amount of time, there's no way!

00:01:12.000 That you could be dedicating 100% of your time to your constituents like you should be.

00:01:17.000 Yeah.

00:01:18.000 It has to be your full-time mission.

00:01:23.000 And people who come and ask me, they're like, oh, I'm thinking of running for office.

00:01:26.000 And that's literally what I tell them.

00:01:28.000 I'm like, are you ready to quit everything else in your life and have the support of your family and dedicate all your energy towards this mission of service?

00:01:36.000 Because it will require that.

00:01:38.000 If you're serious about it, it will require that.

00:01:40.000 If you want to do it at your best.

00:02:01.000 How are you going to do that if you're like, yeah, by the way, I got this side gig or that side gig or this, you know, other loyalty that is something other than you, you know, the people, the voter?

00:02:12.000 And I don't know.

00:02:14.000 I think more and more people are starting to pick up on that and question that in both people who are running for office and their electeds.

00:02:23.000 Like, who are you really working for?

00:02:24.000 Well, they certainly should.

00:02:26.000 It's a complicated union.

00:02:29.000 It is.

00:02:30.000 It is that.

00:02:31.000 It really is.

00:02:32.000 Between money and politics.

00:02:35.000 It would be wonderful if we could get money entirely out of politics.

00:02:40.000 If the only way that a politician could make money while they're in office is just their salary.

00:02:45.000 If we said it that way.

00:02:47.000 I'm sure you're aware of the Nancy Pelosi stuff.

00:02:49.000 Absolutely.

00:02:50.000 It's wild.

00:02:51.000 It is.

00:02:52.000 And look, I think this is one of the good things about social media is, of course, the mainstream corporate media is hardly covering it at all.

00:03:01.000 But because of social media, things like that are spreading like wildfire, like, hey, Paul Pelosi is doing these trades within this period of time of Nancy Pelosi voting on this bill or bringing a bill to the floor because we've got to remember...

00:03:15.000 Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, nothing happens without her knowing about it or giving her stamp of approval. 0.78

00:03:23.000 So regardless of whether it's happening in the Judiciary Committee or the Commerce Committee or the Armed Services Committee, if there's a bill coming to the floor and there's major legislation that's being passed or is being squashed, That is happening with her say-so.

00:03:39.000 And so just in these last few days, once people started making noise saying, hey, you as a member of Congress or your spouse or your adult child should not be allowed to conduct insider trading on issues that Congress is dealing with,

00:03:55.000 which really covers every issue under the spectrum, they can't pretend anymore that they haven't been doing it.

00:04:02.000 And yet, even as a Nazi policy like, okay, okay, fine, we'll draft legislation. 0.51

00:04:08.000 But Congress is about to take a break as they head into the general elections.

00:04:11.000 And once again, she's refusing to bring the bill to the floor for a vote saying, oh, well, you know, we're not going to bring it to the floor if it doesn't have support. 0.99

00:04:20.000 Put people on the freaking spot, make them cast that vote.

00:04:24.000 That is the last thing she wants is to lose that honeypot. 0.95

00:04:28.000 First of all, she doesn't want it becoming a big, important thing that people are talking about.

00:04:34.000 Where people start looking at it and say, how much money have you made?

00:04:41.000 Why are you worth $200 million?

00:04:43.000 That's crazy.

00:04:44.000 You make $200,000 a year.

00:04:45.000 You're worth $200 million.

00:04:47.000 What's going on?

00:04:48.000 And you look at Paul Pelosi's stock What his record is, he's better than Warren Buffett and George Soros, who are like wizards.

00:04:58.000 Exactly.

00:04:59.000 Those guys are the best and he's better than them.

00:05:01.000 But it's 100% insider trading.

00:05:05.000 You think about what they put Martha Stewart away in jail for.

00:05:08.000 That's a nothing!

00:05:10.000 That's nothing compared to what she's doing. 0.96

00:05:12.000 And she's not the only one, obviously.

00:05:15.000 And this is where the quote-unquote uniparty in Washington has been blocking this kind of legislation from being passed because they're both benefiting from it.

00:05:26.000 We had, I think, Republican and Democrat senators in the lead-up towards COVID-19.

00:05:43.000 It's crazy.

00:05:47.000 It's just crazy that it's legal.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 It's really egregious.

00:05:53.000 And it's shocking how complicit the mainstream media is in ignoring it.

00:05:59.000 Like, do you think that there's some...

00:06:03.000 Discussion?

00:06:04.000 Or is it just an understanding that you'll lose access to these people if you highlight this?

00:06:10.000 Why are they not covering that?

00:06:13.000 It's like this chummy insiders club in Washington. 0.99

00:06:19.000 A common term that's being used now is called permanent Washington, which really fits when you think about it.

00:06:26.000 It kind of encapsulates that whole swampy ecosystem of both those who've been elected into positions, those who are longtime appointed or powerful bureaucrats, and the corporate media.

00:06:40.000 They all go out to the same parties, the same social functions.

00:06:43.000 You know, passing information to each other.

00:06:46.000 And so, you know, if the anchor of a big-time news show says, hey, guys, guess what?

00:06:53.000 Nancy Pelosi and her husband are insider trading, then they have to think about, oh, well, am I burning a bridge?

00:07:00.000 Am I cutting off access to...

00:07:02.000 You know, information that she or her staff might be feeding me that I can break news on and all this stuff.

00:07:07.000 So, you know, it's like you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

00:07:11.000 And if you start pissing off certain people, then you get kicked out of the cool kids club.

00:07:16.000 That's really what's at the heart of it.

00:07:19.000 And so they play along because this issue has come up before.

00:07:23.000 It came up years ago.

00:07:24.000 Congress said, okay, we're going to take action to stop insider trading and make sure that elected leaders aren't benefiting off of insider information.

00:07:31.000 And so they passed the Stock Act, which did nothing.

00:07:35.000 Essentially, it just said, okay, if you are going to trade in stocks or buy or sell stocks, you have to report it.

00:07:45.000 You have to be transparent about it.

00:07:47.000 Most of Congress has failed to do even that.

00:07:51.000 So it did nothing to stop it.

00:07:52.000 Says, you just got to tell us.

00:07:54.000 And most people are like, yeah, I'm not going to tell you anyway.

00:07:56.000 And there's no repercussions?

00:07:58.000 Well, they might get like a $100 fine, $200 fine, as they make millions in their trade.

00:08:05.000 So, you know, again, it's good.

00:08:06.000 This is kind of like one of those things that should give us all a glimmer of hope, where if enough people, we the people, make noise about it, they're forced to pay attention.

00:08:18.000 So now, what about...

00:08:21.000 We were talking about like chumminess and like sort of like the hidden rules.

00:08:26.000 What about if you do right wing talk shows?

00:08:30.000 Like if you're a Democrat and you decide to go on Tucker Carlson, for instance, like what is that like?

00:08:39.000 It ranges from people kind of like giving you a cynical look like whose side are you really on to people just outright ending that friendship or that professional relationship because they don't want to have anything to do with you.

00:08:56.000 Have you experienced that?

00:08:57.000 Over and over.

00:09:16.000 More people watch Fox News than any other cable news channel.

00:09:19.000 So my audience is speaking to the American people.

00:09:21.000 If I have the opportunity to do that, and by the way, Fox News, more than CNN and MSNBC over the last decade, has been more fair to me in providing me that opportunity to speak to the American people, I'm going to take advantage of it.

00:09:37.000 Well, it seems like one of the things that Fox News does well is if they have a Democrat on, they don't attack them.

00:09:42.000 They allow them to express themselves.

00:09:45.000 That's right.

00:09:45.000 Which is interesting.

00:09:47.000 Whether the host agrees or disagrees, that's not the point.

00:09:50.000 Because when a right-wing person seems to be, if they're on MSNBC or if they're on CNN, it's like they have these weapons ready to go, the blades are sharp, and they attack.

00:10:01.000 And they're trying to discredit that person, trying to mock them.

00:10:04.000 They will talk over them.

00:10:05.000 They will be rude to them.

00:10:06.000 They will mock whatever position they have.

00:10:09.000 Instead of, like, trying to offer some sort of a reasonable debate against it, they will just talk over it and mock it.

00:10:17.000 And they'll bring on another expert, and that person talks over it.

00:10:20.000 Yeah.

00:10:21.000 It's not even limited to those who bring like a so-called right-wing perspective or conservative perspective.

00:10:28.000 It's really anyone who brings a voice, a view, a perspective that is different from whatever the mainstream narrative is at that point, whatever the cause of the day may be.

00:10:41.000 And so as a Democrat serving in Congress, I experienced that over and over and over again.

00:10:47.000 Exactly that reaction that you're talking about In, you know, not allowing me at least just to come and present my view.

00:10:55.000 They can ask me a tough question.

00:10:58.000 They can present an opposing view.

00:10:59.000 That's great.

00:11:00.000 But so many times I've gone on these different shows and they don't even allow that.

00:11:08.000 And, you know, it really just speaks to...

00:11:13.000 I think?

00:11:39.000 Because, you know, they don't want the weakness or the insecurity of their own argument to be exposed and also they immediately judge you as someone who may bring an opposing view, regardless of your political party, as the enemy, as a threat, as somebody who is less than and doesn't deserve a voice,

00:11:58.000 which is really, really dangerous for our democracy when you really think about it.

00:12:02.000 Yeah, it's very spooky and it's spooky how prevalent that That mindset is, and how many Democrats, not even just politicians, just people that are Democrats, how many people share that position that you should silence people that you don't agree with? 0.67

00:12:18.000 It's such a foolish perspective, and it plays out historically over and over and over again in a terrible way.

00:12:26.000 I just don't understand why people don't learn that lesson. 0.97

00:12:30.000 I think that the Democratic Party leaders, people like Hillary Clinton, people who've been in charge for a very long time, foment this kind of culture of fear and like, hey,

00:12:45.000 if you go against us, you're dead. 1.00

00:12:48.000 You're on the shit list. 1.00

00:12:49.000 You have kind of the very loud activists who don't represent, I think, even the majority of the Democratic Party, but the AOCs of the world who are almost like these radical religious zealots. 1.00

00:13:06.000 And they are ideologues, and whatever they choose is the battle of the day.

00:13:12.000 Yes.

00:13:13.000 If you are against them on that, forget it.

00:13:16.000 You're done.

00:13:17.000 What is that woman's name, Rashida? 1.00

00:13:19.000 Talib.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:21.000 I'm sure you watched this, where she was communicating with the heads of these banks, and she was asking them about...

00:13:28.000 I don't know if I saw that.

00:13:28.000 You should see this.

00:13:30.000 See if you can find this, where she's talking to the heads of these banks, where they're talking about funding fossil fuel projects in the future.

00:13:39.000 And she asked them point blank, will you fund fossil fuel projects in the future?

00:13:44.000 And they said yes, and if we didn't, that would be devastating to the United States.

00:13:49.000 And then she goes on – we'll play it for you.

00:13:51.000 Okay.

00:13:52.000 Because it's – Jamie will find it.

00:13:54.000 It's so bonkers because the first thing she goes to is – We gave student debt forgiveness and those people have bank accounts and we're going to urge them to take their money out of your bank account.

00:14:06.000 So it's like we bribed these people by giving them 10 grand.

00:14:11.000 If you really want to help them, make it so that you can get out of student debt.

00:14:15.000 You really want to help them?

00:14:17.000 Make it so that a bankruptcy actually absolves you of student debt.

00:14:22.000 Because it doesn't.

00:14:23.000 Because it's a corrupt system. 1.00

00:14:24.000 So like, fuck all this, your 10 grand. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Because 10 grand is nonsense. 1.00

00:14:29.000 These people are $150,000, $200,000 in the hole.

00:14:33.000 And some of them actually wind up getting their social security docked when they're in their 60s.

00:14:38.000 Because they still owe money from student loans that didn't help them at all.

00:14:41.000 Exactly.

00:14:42.000 And she uses that. 0.98

00:14:44.000 She holds it over their head.

00:14:46.000 Meanwhile, she does not understand the incredibly complex variables that are involved in the elimination of fossil fuels or how many fossil fuels are involved in every single thing you do, including electric cars,

00:15:02.000 the construction of solar panels, Like everything, the transportation of goods and services.

00:15:06.000 This idea that you're just going to stop all future projects because you think that that's what your ideological group wants.

00:15:17.000 Right.

00:15:18.000 Play it.

00:15:19.000 Let me see it.

00:15:20.000 Let me see your face.

00:15:24.000 Yes, that's it.

00:15:25.000 This is it.

00:15:30.000 We're committed, as you all know, to transition the emissions from lending and investment activities to line with pathways to net zero in 2050. Do you know what the International Energy Agency has said is required to meet our global 2050 net zero targets of limiting global temperature rise to 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit or 1.5 degrees Celsius?

00:15:53.000 So no new fossil fuel production starting today.

00:15:57.000 What a wizard.

00:15:58.000 So that's like zero.

00:15:59.000 Well, I would like to ask all of you and go down the list, because again, you all have agreed to doing this.

00:16:05.000 Please answer with a simple yes or no.

00:16:07.000 Does your bank have a policy against funding new oil and gas products?

00:16:11.000 Mr. Diamond?

00:16:12.000 Absolutely not.

00:16:13.000 And that would be the road to hell for America.

00:16:15.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:16:20.000 No, no, no.

00:16:21.000 There's more.

00:16:21.000 This is like a Fox News clip.

00:16:24.000 There's more of her...

00:16:26.000 See if you can find the rest of it.

00:16:28.000 You can find an actual clip of the conversation instead of this nonsense with the music over it.

00:16:32.000 Because the actual clip of the conversation shows she goes down the line and talks to these guys and they all say no.

00:16:38.000 Everyone says no.

00:16:39.000 Because it's...

00:16:40.000 It's not reality.

00:16:42.000 You can't just hit the brakes.

00:16:45.000 That's what happened with COVID. You see how the economy collapsed when you make everyone shut their business down?

00:16:51.000 That's going to happen times a thousand if you just stop all fossil fuel production.

00:16:56.000 Didn't we just see this in California where they passed a law?

00:17:00.000 What is it requiring all electric vehicles or stopping production of vehicles that use gas?

00:17:07.000 Yes.

00:17:07.000 All cars that are sold in California as of 2035 must be electrical.

00:17:12.000 And then the next week, they said, you can't charge your electric car because the power grid's fucked. 0.96

00:17:17.000 Exactly. 0.97

00:17:19.000 That's California politics in a nutshell, though, because it's so ideologically driven.

00:17:23.000 And I talk to people from California that are just in that fog, the fog of woke.

00:17:31.000 And they're my friends, and I'll show them that.

00:17:33.000 And they're like, what?

00:17:34.000 Really?

00:17:35.000 I go, yeah, look, you're not supposed to charge your electric car. 1.00

00:17:37.000 They're like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:17:38.000 I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? 1.00

00:17:40.000 But that's the analogy. 0.99

00:17:43.000 That is the example of exactly what we're talking about.

00:17:46.000 This whole mentality of wokeism, of being ideologues, that not only doesn't make sense, but if you don't agree with it, you're wrong, you're the enemy.

00:17:56.000 If you're silent...

00:17:58.000 If you just don't, A, I got no comment on this.

00:18:01.000 Well, you are now complicit in the problem.

00:18:03.000 Exactly.

00:18:04.000 Silence is violence.

00:18:05.000 Silence is violence.

00:18:06.000 And then, and again, I have experience with all of this whole spectrum. 1.00

00:18:10.000 And then if you're like, okay, get off my ass. 1.00

00:18:13.000 Fine. 1.00

00:18:14.000 I agree.

00:18:14.000 They're like, well, prove it.

00:18:16.000 Prove it.

00:18:17.000 You need to stand on the street corner.

00:18:19.000 You need to scream out loud.

00:18:20.000 You need to do all this.

00:18:21.000 Right.

00:18:23.000 The women's march when Trump got elected, right? 0.95

00:18:26.000 I didn't go.

00:18:27.000 I was out of the country.

00:18:29.000 I got harassed and harangued. 0.99

00:18:31.000 Why weren't you there wearing the pink pussy hat? 1.00

00:18:34.000 What is wrong with you? 0.98

00:18:35.000 You must not believe in women's rights. 1.00

00:18:37.000 You must.

00:18:38.000 And the irony is here we are sitting now with a lot of these same people who like, oh, well, I don't know how to define a woman.

00:18:44.000 And there is no such thing as a woman. 1.00

00:18:45.000 And But all of these examples point to the hypocrisy, the fact that they don't believe in truth, and that whatever their cause of the moment is, is whatever they decide, is the truth and the thing that must be measured against for you.

00:19:04.000 Like, you're either with us or you're against us.

00:19:06.000 And if you're with us, you've got to prove your zealousness for the cause.

00:19:11.000 Is that a word?

00:19:12.000 I think so.

00:19:13.000 Zealousness?

00:19:13.000 I think so.

00:19:14.000 Sounds good.

00:19:16.000 It fits.

00:19:18.000 You know, there's a chess game, and the ultimate checkmate is, what's a woman? 1.00

00:19:24.000 Yeah.

00:19:24.000 I mean, when you're coming to, with wokeness, and you can identify as a woman, you get to use the female restroom, like, okay, but what is it?

00:19:32.000 What's a woman? 1.00

00:19:33.000 You know, can a man get pregnant? 0.99

00:19:34.000 Yes.

00:19:35.000 Okay, well, what is it?

00:19:36.000 Can a biological male get pregnant? 0.98

00:19:39.000 And then people panic and they start...

00:19:42.000 The people that identify as a woman are capable of being pregnant and people that identify as a male are capable of also being pregnant.

00:19:54.000 Like, what are you saying?

00:19:55.000 If you identify as a woman, what are you identifying as?

00:19:59.000 Like that's the documentary, the Matt Walsh documentary.

00:20:01.000 Exactly. 0.96

00:20:01.000 Which is fucking amazing. 0.96

00:20:03.000 And also amazing that no one's reviewing it. 0.98

00:20:07.000 No one's reviewing it.

00:20:09.000 That documentary is fantastic.

00:20:11.000 Because Matt Walsh, and you can only get it on the Daily Wire, I think.

00:20:15.000 Which is unfortunate.

00:20:16.000 But I get it.

00:20:18.000 You know, I get it the Daily Wire produced it.

00:20:20.000 They want people to sign up and they're creating this alternative platform for content.

00:20:23.000 But that documentary is so good because Matt Walsh simply asks questions and he does it deadpan. 0.74

00:20:33.000 And it's amazing watching these people just like twist reality into some weird fucking contortion it's not.

00:20:44.000 What are you saying? 0.99

00:20:45.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:20:47.000 What does it mean?

00:20:48.000 It's so revealing.

00:20:49.000 You know, you're marching for women's rights, but what does that mean?

00:20:52.000 So if I decide I'm a woman and I go out, you're marching for me?

00:20:55.000 I'm a woman now.

00:20:56.000 You can just say it?

00:20:57.000 We can't have that.

00:20:59.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:21:00.000 And it doesn't mean you can't have trans people.

00:21:02.000 It doesn't mean that.

00:21:03.000 And it doesn't mean you're against.

00:21:06.000 Yes!

00:21:07.000 You're not denying anyone's existence either.

00:21:09.000 They exist.

00:21:10.000 However, if you want to be pregnant, you must be a biological female. 1.00

00:21:16.000 This is science.

00:21:17.000 This is something that we have all studied and looked at and observed. 1.00

00:21:22.000 And this is fucking doctrine. 0.99

00:21:25.000 It's no getting around it. 1.00

00:21:27.000 If you want to breed, if you want the egg in the womb, you want the whole thing to happen, the uterus, the baby, that's a woman. 0.99

00:21:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:21:36.000 Just because you have a fucking beard because you're taking testosterone. 1.00

00:21:38.000 You're still a woman! 1.00

00:21:40.000 Like, this is crazy!

00:21:41.000 And that's what was so powerful about that documentary was both Matt Walsh's demeanor and, frankly, his respect with whoever he was questioning and the spectrum of people that he spoke to on this.

00:21:53.000 From, you know, psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, professors, and even the woman who transitioned hormonally to become a man.

00:22:05.000 Like crying on camera.

00:22:07.000 That's the problem in this country.

00:22:10.000 Everyone wants to talk about representation.

00:22:12.000 Here's what's not represented at all in the mainstream media.

00:22:16.000 People that have had a horrible experience having gender transition surgery and regret it deeply.

00:22:23.000 There's a lot of them.

00:22:24.000 It's not a small amount.

00:22:26.000 It's a lot of people.

00:22:27.000 It's not a cut-and-dry thing.

00:22:31.000 Look, if there was a way where we had some sort of genetic engineering, some super-advanced form of CRISPR, where I could just decide, I want to be a woman now, and then, bam, now I have a double X chromosome, I have a vagina, 1.00

00:22:46.000 I'm an actual woman, like 100%.

00:22:48.000 Not surgery.

00:22:50.000 And here's the other thing.

00:22:52.000 If you're saying that you identify as a woman and you're a woman, okay, why do you have to get an operation then?

00:22:57.000 Right.

00:22:58.000 Why do you have to take hormones?

00:23:00.000 Why do you have to do all that stuff?

00:23:01.000 And that stuff seems to be where all the problem lies because that is purely experimental, especially when it comes to children.

00:23:09.000 We're now finding, when they're talking about hormone blockers, they were saying hormone blockers are reversible and there's no side effects.

00:23:16.000 That's not true at all.

00:23:17.000 They're finding horrific side effects for kids who take those things.

00:23:20.000 And we don't have a lot of long-term data.

00:23:22.000 We just don't.

00:23:23.000 It's so dangerous that the Biden administration's Health and Human Services Secretary is openly advocating for this.

00:23:34.000 Parents and schools and the community need to support this quote-unquote gender-affirming care and treatment for kids.

00:23:43.000 Knowing what we know, even the limited knowledge of what we know about the impacts of these hormone treatments, the impacts of these irreversible surgeries, both physically as well as mentally, as more and more even of these kids who come forward who've gone through this with incredible regret and talking about the long-standing symptoms and problems and illnesses they're now having to deal with.

00:24:07.000 We have the person who's supposed to be in charge of federal health policy for the country.

00:24:14.000 I think we're good to go.

00:24:30.000 But the fact that we don't have more people speaking out about this speaks to this culture of fear that we're talking about.

00:24:37.000 Right. 0.64

00:24:37.000 And you can't even talk about it because that person is trans, which is even crazier. 0.64

00:24:42.000 So the person who's advocating for children to transition also is trans.

00:24:46.000 And I'm sure you saw the Rand Paul interview where Rand Paul is questioning her and asking questions.

00:24:52.000 And it's like talking to an alien.

00:24:54.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 It's like he's talking to an alien that has a tape recorder that's going to press play every time the question's over.

00:25:00.000 Thank you, Senator.

00:25:01.000 You know, transgender care is nuanced and goes into this speech, and Rand Paul says, just let it be said on record that the person is not answering these questions.

00:25:11.000 Exactly.

00:25:12.000 I don't know how well known this is, but I saw a brochure that the Department of Health and Human Services put out on what is gender-affirming care.

00:25:24.000 It basically says that if parents refuse or fail to provide this gender-affirming care, then Child Protective Services will have the authority to step in and try to intervene for the sake of the child.

00:25:39.000 Wow.

00:25:41.000 And so when you look at...

00:25:42.000 So if a kid is just going through a period in their life where they decide I'm a girl or I'm a boy.

00:25:49.000 Right.

00:25:50.000 And the parents say, hey, let's wait until you turn 18. You might grow out of this.

00:25:55.000 And the kid's like, fuck that. 1.00

00:25:56.000 I'm calling Child Protective Services. 0.99

00:25:58.000 And then Homeland Security or whoever the hell it is comes in and physically forces the parents...

00:26:06.000 To do the bidding of the minor child.

00:26:09.000 With the threat of taking your child away from you.

00:26:14.000 How did anybody allow it to get this far?

00:26:17.000 Who...

00:26:19.000 Are there no adults in the room?

00:26:21.000 I mean, that's a big expression, right?

00:26:22.000 It is.

00:26:23.000 That was the thing that everyone said we were going to love about the Biden administration.

00:26:26.000 Right.

00:26:26.000 The adults are back in the room.

00:26:27.000 Yeah.

00:26:28.000 Really? 1.00

00:26:29.000 Is everyone out of their fucking mind? 1.00

00:26:32.000 We know children are incredibly malleable. 1.00

00:26:35.000 We know children are impulsive.

00:26:39.000 There's kids...

00:26:40.000 Ready for this?

00:26:41.000 My friend, his wife, is a schoolteacher.

00:26:45.000 And...

00:26:47.000 She works at a school that had to install a litter box in the girls room because there is a girl who's a furry who identifies as an animal and her mother badgered the school Until they agreed to put a litter box in one of the stalls.

00:27:05.000 So this girl goes into the litter room or to the girl's room and urinates or whatever. 1.00

00:27:11.000 I don't know if she poops in it. 0.99

00:27:12.000 That's pretty gross.

00:27:14.000 Like, if you could teach your cat, by the way, here's the thing. 0.80

00:27:17.000 If you could teach your cat...

00:27:19.000 To use the toilet, you would.

00:27:21.000 You don't want a box of piss in your house.

00:27:24.000 I've had cats my whole life.

00:27:26.000 It's the worst thing about having cats.

00:27:27.000 You've got to clean that box of piss every day. 0.90

00:27:30.000 It's the greatest thing about dogs.

00:27:31.000 They go outside. 1.00

00:27:33.000 You're a fucking human! 1.00

00:27:34.000 The cats got their humans trained. 1.00

00:27:36.000 Imagine how crazy that is. 1.00

00:27:37.000 You're a fucking human being and you prefer a litter box. 1.00

00:27:40.000 You want to piss into a pile of sand rather than use a bathroom that you could flush the toilet, wipe yourself like a normal person. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Like you're so crazy with what you think an animal is that not only have you said this, but you've conned the school into putting this fucking litter box in a girl's room. 1.00

00:28:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:02.000 Which is bananas! 1.00

00:28:04.000 It is.

00:28:04.000 It's absolutely insane.

00:28:06.000 I'm sure you saw the teacher in Washington State that has the giant rubber boobs. 1.00

00:28:10.000 Oh my god, I did. 0.98

00:28:12.000 And then the school is now supporting...

00:28:14.000 Giant is an understatement. 0.99

00:28:16.000 But here's the thing about these giant boobs. 1.00

00:28:17.000 And this is a male teacher. 0.99

00:28:19.000 Yes.

00:28:20.000 This is a male teacher who had... 0.98

00:28:22.000 They're not fake boobs. 0.99

00:28:24.000 They're fake fake boobs. 0.96

00:28:27.000 This is what I mean. 0.99

00:28:28.000 If you knock your teeth out, if I go lift weights and hit myself in the face with a kettlebell and knock my teeth out, they'll replace my teeth with fake teeth.

00:28:38.000 But if I have these teeth that are my real teeth and I put fake teeth over them, those are fake, fake teeth. 0.74

00:28:45.000 So this person, these are not fake boobs like they went and got an operation and had breast augmentation. 0.95

00:28:51.000 No. 0.99

00:28:52.000 They put giant rubber boobs over their real boobs. 1.00

00:28:57.000 I wish I could find a watermelon that big. 0.98

00:29:00.000 I love watermelon.

00:29:01.000 If I could find a watermelon that big, they're so big, it's crazy.

00:29:05.000 What was the point of that, by the way?

00:29:07.000 I think it's a troll.

00:29:09.000 And I've been reading about this online.

00:29:12.000 Apparently there's many people that are pointing to the fact that this teacher may very well be scamming people.

00:29:20.000 What does it say?

00:29:22.000 Whether or not it was satire?

00:29:23.000 Yeah, I was reading something.

00:29:25.000 It shows where the power lies.

00:29:26.000 I was talking about that.

00:29:26.000 Was the fake boobs teacher a hoax?

00:29:28.000 Okay.

00:29:29.000 Interesting.

00:29:29.000 So, what I've heard is that this teacher's actually a conservative man.

00:29:35.000 And that he's doing this as a goof.

00:29:37.000 And also knows he can never get fired.

00:29:39.000 Like, maybe trying to get fired.

00:29:42.000 Like, see what does the article say?

00:29:44.000 Does it say anything? 0.73

00:29:45.000 This article brings up the same stuff that James Lindsay did where they made those fake boobs.

00:29:50.000 Yeah, the grievance.

00:29:52.000 Articles, yeah.

00:29:53.000 Similar thing.

00:29:53.000 There's a law...

00:29:56.000 I'm trying to read and think at the same time.

00:30:01.000 I can't do that.

00:30:02.000 No worries.

00:30:03.000 Because the teacher could probably...

00:30:04.000 Yeah, so here it is.

00:30:05.000 The Peter Boghossian, Helen Pluckrose, and James Lindsay seeded peer-reviewed journals with absurd critical studies papers, which was amazing, that they'd simply made up.

00:30:15.000 Caused a huge stir, but neither academia's...

00:30:18.000 Perverse incentives nor the often ridiculous stances on critical studies have noticeably changed as a result. 0.96

00:30:24.000 Academia is still publishing, apparently sincerely, autoethnographic studies about pedophilic masturbation. 0.96

00:30:38.000 What is that?

00:30:39.000 Click on that link.

00:30:41.000 What are they saying?

00:30:43.000 What is this study?

00:30:45.000 We'll come back to this in a moment. 0.99

00:30:47.000 I want to know what the fuck they're talking about. 0.99

00:30:50.000 So University Investigators PhD, yeah, click on that. 0.98

00:30:52.000 Click on that real quick.

00:30:53.000 Hold on.

00:30:54.000 University investigates PhD students' paper on masturbating to comics of young boys. 1.00

00:31:00.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:31:02.000 Manchester University launches inquiry into ethical standards after paper details masturbation sessions. 0.99

00:31:08.000 A leading university has launched an inquiry after it emerged that one of its PhD students has written a research paper about sexual attraction to young boys.

00:31:19.000 Carl Anderson spent three months recording his thoughts and feelings while masturbating over images of young boys in Japanese comic books.

00:31:30.000 In the abstract for the paper, Anderson, who's interviewing fans of Shota, I guess, S-H-O-T-A, comics for his PhD, said he wanted to understand how they experience sexual pleasure while reading Shota.

00:31:44.000 Oh, you wanted to understand.

00:31:45.000 I get it.

00:31:47.000 Normal.

00:31:48.000 Normal.

00:31:48.000 His 4,000-word study, which detailed his sexual habits and sexual encounters between boys in the comics, was published in the journal Qualitative Research in April.

00:31:58.000 It provoked outrage from academics and MP and others after it was circulated on Twitter this week.

00:32:07.000 Yeah.

00:32:07.000 There's a normalization of all kinds of sexual attraction, you know, including illegal sexual attraction.

00:32:16.000 They're trying to say that people aren't pedophiles.

00:32:20.000 They're minor attracted individuals.

00:32:23.000 Go back to that article, Jamie, if you don't mind.

00:32:26.000 See that bottom part?

00:32:28.000 This is the guy, right?

00:32:30.000 The guy who did this research.

00:32:32.000 He says, That's so crazy. 1.00

00:32:49.000 Sick.

00:32:50.000 This is exactly, you know, when you don't believe in truth and, you know, you're talking about the furries, like, you know, the accommodations for this child who identifies as a cat in the school,

00:33:05.000 then you have the minor attracted persons.

00:33:08.000 There are no boundaries anymore.

00:33:11.000 Yeah.

00:33:11.000 Right.

00:33:12.000 There are no boundaries.

00:33:13.000 The teachers in the school and the school itself should have said no.

00:33:15.000 Exactly.

00:33:16.000 To the parent, no crazy.

00:33:17.000 Right.

00:33:17.000 First of all, what are you doing to your kid that you let your kid, because they identify as an animal, use a litter box?

00:33:25.000 They're still a human.

00:33:26.000 Right. 1.00

00:33:27.000 Use a goddamn bathroom. 1.00

00:33:28.000 It's sanitary. 1.00

00:33:29.000 It's much better.

00:33:30.000 Like, do you want your house smelling like human pee?

00:33:32.000 What if they eat asparagus and then they pee into a box? 0.70

00:33:35.000 You don't think that's gross? 1.00

00:33:36.000 You want to go into the bathroom and smell asparagus pee because your kid is fucking crazy? 1.00

00:33:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:41.000 And you're encouraging that? 1.00

00:33:43.000 Right.

00:33:43.000 That's nuts.

00:33:43.000 Right.

00:33:44.000 Go back to that big boob gentleman slash female hoaxer. 1.00

00:33:50.000 I want to finish where we're at.

00:33:52.000 So try to figure out what is happening here.

00:33:56.000 Okay, we're right around there.

00:33:59.000 And in much of the same way, if Lemieux is attempting to force an absurd anti-discrimination law to breaking point, the attempt has failed.

00:34:08.000 Rather than forcing the school to confront the grotesque absurdity, Of letting a male wear prosthetic boobs to a teaching job, it simply promoted a debate on what size and shape the prosthetic should be.

00:34:24.000 Oh my god!

00:34:27.000 The school, exacerbated at the international attention they've garnered, has simply approved a new dress code that would force Lemieux to wear slightly smaller fake boobs. 0.67

00:34:40.000 But what if you actually have real augmented boobs that are that big?

00:34:45.000 Because people do.

00:34:46.000 Go to that.

00:34:46.000 Go back to that, please.

00:34:48.000 Click on the new dress code.

00:34:51.000 I need to find out what you guys are out of your mind.

00:34:55.000 How far are they bending over backwards?

00:34:57.000 This is a school, not a circus. 0.97

00:35:00.000 Students joined protesters outside the Canadian school with trans teacher with oversized prosthetic breasts. 0.95

00:35:04.000 I don't think it's really a trans teacher.

00:35:07.000 I think they're calling this person a trans teacher, but I... According to Reddit, which I hold in high regard.

00:35:14.000 Yeah, I was trying to do some research on Kayla real quick.

00:35:17.000 Yeah, what are they saying?

00:35:19.000 I had to go back to the article first.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, me and Duncan were actually going back and forth about it yesterday trying to figure out how much of a hoax it was and laughing hysterically.

00:35:28.000 Because if it is a hoax, along the lines of the Helen Pluckrose and Peter Boghossi and James Lindsay studies, it's really funny.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:34.000 It's really funny because this person has taken it to the umptent degree.

00:35:38.000 Exactly.

00:35:39.000 Like, these are crazy.

00:35:40.000 For folks just listening, these things are the size of a small child.

00:35:45.000 Yeah. 0.68

00:35:46.000 Like if a small child, like if a six-year-old was in the fetal position and they hung from your neck, that would literally be the size of one of these breasts.

00:35:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:54.000 And I think the point remains, right?

00:35:56.000 Whether it's a hoax or not, it points to how insane our society and culture has become, where rather than the school being like, yo, no...

00:36:07.000 Yo is the right thing to say, too.

00:36:09.000 This is not happening.

00:36:09.000 Yo.

00:36:10.000 Yo is the perfect thing to say there.

00:36:13.000 Like, yo.

00:36:15.000 What are you doing, man?

00:36:16.000 Exactly.

00:36:17.000 You're in woodshop, okay?

00:36:20.000 Which is, you're not even supposed to have loose clothes.

00:36:22.000 Right.

00:36:23.000 How do you have giant rubber boots?

00:36:24.000 That's so dangerous.

00:36:25.000 It is.

00:36:26.000 He's using a bandsaw.

00:36:27.000 Excuse me.

00:36:28.000 She's using a bandsaw.

00:36:29.000 Like, look at that.

00:36:30.000 Look at the size of those things.

00:36:32.000 Oh, my goodness. 1.00

00:36:33.000 Imagine these poor fucking kids. 1.00

00:36:34.000 No kidding. 1.00

00:36:35.000 And she's wearing sunglasses indoors too, which is awesome.

00:36:39.000 Right.

00:36:40.000 I mean, the whole thing is just so crazy.

00:36:43.000 Canada is like California on some sort of SSRI. Yeah.

00:36:50.000 It's like they've taken it to a whole new level.

00:36:52.000 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 Okay, so right there is Kayla Lemieux.

00:36:56.000 That's a YouTube video.

00:36:57.000 There's a bunch of YouTube videos.

00:36:58.000 Woke Culture, Endgame. 0.99

00:37:00.000 Look at the size of the nipples. 1.00

00:37:01.000 That's so crazy. 0.99

00:37:03.000 The nipples are enormous. 0.99

00:37:05.000 This person literally has shoulder straps. 0.99

00:37:08.000 Like they're backpacking in the woods.

00:37:11.000 Like they've got a week's worth of food in those things.

00:37:13.000 They're carrying it around on their back.

00:37:15.000 That's so nuts.

00:37:18.000 Yeah, clear shoulder straps.

00:37:20.000 I mean, it's...

00:37:20.000 Look at the Twitter, the tweet.

00:37:23.000 Oh, sorry.

00:37:25.000 Kayla Lemieux is conclusive proof that trans women are women and that there's absolutely no connection between trans activism and mental health issues or misogyny.

00:37:32.000 Sure.

00:37:35.000 Conclusive.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, well, obviously that's satire.

00:37:38.000 Obviously.

00:37:40.000 I would have never imagined if we went four or five years ago.

00:37:44.000 I remember when I had Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay on the podcast years ago, people were saying to me, like, why are you concentrating on this?

00:37:53.000 Like, this is some stuff that's happening at universities.

00:37:57.000 Why is this even a...

00:37:58.000 Like, why are you obsessed with this?

00:38:00.000 And I said, because this is going to spill over into society.

00:38:04.000 Like, you don't see this?

00:38:05.000 It's like, if we have barbarians that land in Hawaii, and they start attacking, marauding, and they get in their boats, and they start moving towards America, and you go like, well, hey, I think this is coming here. 0.95

00:38:20.000 Why are you concentrating on that?

00:38:22.000 This is only happening in Hawaii.

00:38:24.000 No, that's... 0.99

00:38:25.000 They're fucking in the boats now, kids. 0.99

00:38:27.000 They're in the boats and now they've hit land. 0.99

00:38:30.000 And now they're burning through tech industry.

00:38:34.000 They're burning through so many corporations.

00:38:36.000 Because all this craziness is an accepted ideology in universities.

00:38:41.000 So you let these children get away from their parents. 1.00

00:38:44.000 Fuck my mom and dad. 1.00

00:38:45.000 My mom and dad are bullshit and they're racist and fascist and this and that. 1.00

00:38:49.000 And then they go to school, which their mom and dad paid for, probably, or they got crazy student loans they can never get away from. 1.00

00:38:54.000 And then they infect these corporations.

00:38:57.000 So you have these people that are in their 50s and 60s that are running these corporations going, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:39:02.000 What? 0.99

00:39:03.000 What the fuck is going on? 1.00

00:39:04.000 This is crazy! 1.00

00:39:06.000 You want a litter box in the bathroom? 0.99

00:39:08.000 What?

00:39:08.000 That's happening in tech companies too.

00:39:12.000 I've talked to a number of different CEOs who've very clearly expressed that their biggest headache in life is with their HR departments.

00:39:20.000 Yeah, activism.

00:39:22.000 What in the world are we doing here?

00:39:24.000 We started this by saying, how did we get here?

00:39:27.000 What you just outlined is exactly how we got here.

00:39:29.000 So much of this has been happening already for decades in some of these incredibly, I don't even know what you call them, in a lot of the universities.

00:39:39.000 And then you start seeing it, okay, well, here's the boundary today.

00:39:43.000 Okay, cool, got that.

00:39:44.000 We're going to shift it.

00:39:45.000 We're going to shift the goalpost.

00:39:47.000 Okay, cool.

00:39:48.000 Got that.

00:39:48.000 We're going to shift the goalpost.

00:39:49.000 We're going to shift the goalpost.

00:39:51.000 It never ends.

00:39:51.000 It doesn't.

00:39:52.000 It never ends.

00:39:53.000 And that's where the thing that people warned against in the past, but it's hard to imagine that it would be possible, certainly within our lifetimes, the normalization of pedophilia.

00:40:06.000 Yes.

00:40:06.000 What you said, the minor attracted persons and don't stigmatize that.

00:40:10.000 You know, we're all people. 0.94

00:40:12.000 We should all be allowed to celebrate ourselves and all this other crap. 0.95

00:40:16.000 We're talking about kids. 0.98

00:40:18.000 Yeah.

00:40:18.000 And how a lot of these same people who are saying, hey, if you refuse to use pronouns, you're fired.

00:40:26.000 A friend of mine in a huge New York law firm Corporate policy is you have to put your pronouns in your email signature block or you will have to talk to the HR department.

00:40:38.000 And he's like one of the partners at this law firm. 0.99

00:40:41.000 He's like, this is bullshit. 1.00

00:40:43.000 Now, why do they make that distinction? 1.00

00:40:46.000 What kind of pressure?

00:40:53.000 I don't know.

00:40:55.000 I think that it's driven by fear.

00:41:01.000 But what percentage of the people are having a problem identifying someone without pronouns?

00:41:08.000 How many people are we talking about?

00:41:10.000 I would imagine it's a very small number.

00:41:12.000 It's a very small number.

00:41:13.000 The number of people that identify as trans is higher than it's ever been before, which is really weird that that's not consistent.

00:41:20.000 And you could say, well, it's because they feel comfortable doing that because it's an accepted part of society.

00:41:25.000 Like, maybe.

00:41:26.000 But according to Abigail Schreier, who wrote that book, Irreversible Damage, with young girls, it's up An extraordinary amount, like a preposterous amount, where they have these clusters of girls who identify as trans in school, where you get like eight,

00:41:41.000 nine kids that just all, in a friend group, identify as trans.

00:41:45.000 And she's like, there's a very distinct possibility that this is a social contagion.

00:41:50.000 And that there are, and without denying that some people are trans, because there are, but it's like, how do you know now?

00:41:58.000 Because this is one of those...

00:42:00.000 Incredibly bizarre human issues where it's open to interpretation like this guy or woman whatever with the giant rubber boobs can just say that they are a woman and everyone has to back off right because of that Because of a lack of an ability to prove something, 0.91

00:42:18.000 now you're in this area where it's open to how someone feels.

00:42:23.000 Exactly.

00:42:24.000 And you could just decide, well, that's how you get male prisoners who go into female prisons and impregnate inmates. 1.00

00:42:34.000 Exactly.

00:42:34.000 Which is so crazy.

00:42:36.000 That's how you get male athletes who want to compete in women's sports, and when the women complain, they get kicked off the team and forced out of the locker room, which we're seeing.

00:42:48.000 Which is nuts, because it's just how you feel.

00:42:52.000 Yep.

00:42:53.000 I talked with Carla Esparza recently about this issue specifically, and I gave her great credit because she has been and continues to be very outspoken about how dangerous it is Especially in mixed martial arts,

00:43:09.000 to have biological males competing against biological females.

00:43:12.000 And she grew up competing on the boys' wrestling team in high school because there was no girls' team.

00:43:19.000 And at that age even, she was just like, yeah, I experienced the unfairness of it because obviously these boys are built very differently.

00:43:27.000 And she's like, I'm stronger than the average girl my size, but still.

00:43:31.000 I couldn't compete at a level playing field.

00:43:34.000 And then you take that forward to mixed martial arts.

00:43:36.000 I know you've talked about this a lot, about how actually dangerous it is.

00:43:39.000 But the fact that it takes a whole lot of courage for a female UFC champion to speak out and say, hey, no, biological males should not be competing against biological females. 0.92

00:43:52.000 That's an act of courage in this society rather than just like, yeah, of course, she's stating fact.

00:43:57.000 It's truth.

00:43:58.000 But this is the problem is when you have this, you know, it's the Democratic Party leadership, it's the progressive left that is so ideologically zealous about this cause because it's the cause today,

00:44:15.000 tomorrow it'll be something else.

00:44:17.000 They create this culture of fear that there will be consequences towards those who differ and also that they just don't believe in truth.

00:44:27.000 And so whatever they say is true today is true today.

00:44:30.000 Whatever they say is true tomorrow is true tomorrow.

00:44:33.000 But the danger of that is you take away all the boundaries of, you know, what is true and what is false.

00:44:38.000 You know, you take away the boundaries of the things that science actually does prove.

00:44:43.000 And what are we left with then?

00:44:45.000 We have no foundation.

00:44:46.000 And then we end up where we're at. 0.78

00:44:47.000 Like, okay, well, today we're going to promote pedophiles.

00:44:52.000 That's what we're going to promote.

00:45:12.000 At their boards of education, trying to get these books removed from their kids' schools.

00:45:17.000 These books, like I thought, okay, how bad can it be?

00:45:20.000 I saw them, and they are some of the most graphic images I have ever seen in my life. 0.99

00:45:27.000 Including oral sex. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Including oral sex. 1.00

00:45:30.000 And this is targeted towards 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds. 0.99

00:45:35.000 It's so strange that we've gone this far, like, into cuckoo land.

00:45:39.000 It seems like it's happened so quickly, but that's where if we actually stop and think about it, it has been very intentional and the groundwork has been laid over time.

00:45:51.000 Do you think it's intentional, like planned out, or do you think that there is an ideology that gets accepted and then that ideology, it's like a forest fire.

00:46:02.000 It feeds off new fuel, so it has to expand its boundaries.

00:46:06.000 I think it's probably a combination of both.

00:46:09.000 So if it is intentional, whose intention is it to spread this?

00:46:16.000 People who, I mean, it's the very same people who are doing it now, I think, over time, trying to see how far they can push, you know, I mean, the sexualization of our kids and our society.

00:46:32.000 You know, I don't know exactly who the person is or the group is or whatever, but we can't have gotten to this place by accident.

00:46:41.000 Why not?

00:46:43.000 Because it's happened so methodically and so quickly over time.

00:46:48.000 But if it's a mind virus, which is what I think it is, and I think that these ideological perspectives that are not grounded in reality get accepted by people and then they promote it.

00:46:59.000 These people are promoting it without any conversation with some cabal of evil leaders.

00:47:05.000 It's clear there's a mechanism in play.

00:47:07.000 And that mechanism is very easy to follow.

00:47:10.000 You could see where it starts in universities.

00:47:14.000 You can also see that in these universities, these people that are promoting these things and teaching children also grew up in the university system themselves, and most of them don't have any real-world experience.

00:47:27.000 They have experience going from being in a university to teaching in a university.

00:47:38.000 Yeah.

00:47:39.000 Yeah.

00:47:50.000 I think just by observing that, just by observing the fact that these people that are promoting these things, they're not being paid to do it.

00:47:59.000 They're stuck in this mind virus.

00:48:02.000 And this woke mind virus, this ideological mind virus, is trackable.

00:48:07.000 You could see it.

00:48:08.000 And you could see how it infects people.

00:48:10.000 I've seen it infect people.

00:48:12.000 You know, I had this guy on the podcast.

00:48:14.000 His name's Adam Conover.

00:48:16.000 And he has a show, Adam Questions Everything, or Adam Ruins Everything.

00:48:19.000 I don't know if you've ever seen it.

00:48:20.000 We got into the subject of trans people in sports.

00:48:24.000 And his position was the most far left, far woke, I just think it would be great to be inclusive and this and that.

00:48:32.000 I go, well, why do women have a specific category? 1.00

00:48:35.000 Why can't men compete against women? 1.00

00:48:37.000 And then that's like the...

00:48:40.000 That's where the record skips.

00:48:42.000 Right.

00:48:42.000 Because obviously there's differences, right?

00:48:45.000 So what are the differences between a trans woman and a biological woman? 0.99

00:48:48.000 They're pretty fucking significant. 0.98

00:48:50.000 Huge. 0.98

00:48:50.000 They're huge. 0.98

00:48:51.000 And if you want to actually study science, I mean, if you have the science of that, it's trackable.

00:48:57.000 Right.

00:48:57.000 You could see it.

00:48:58.000 Right.

00:48:59.000 But when it comes to the mind virus, people don't ever want to accept that reality.

00:49:04.000 They want to go, inclusivity.

00:49:07.000 Yeah.

00:49:08.000 Yeah.

00:49:09.000 They say the words.

00:49:10.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 They just say these words you're supposed to say or you get attacked.

00:49:13.000 Exactly.

00:49:13.000 And they're terrified of being attacked.

00:49:15.000 Exactly.

00:49:16.000 And these are people who, as you said, they're not connected to reality, don't have any kind of personal experience.

00:49:23.000 I was shocked when I saw Megan Rapinoe basically say, I don't know what her statement was, but basically it was like, yeah, you know, there's no real difference.

00:49:33.000 Like, okay, well, you already won your Olympic gold.

00:49:36.000 Exactly.

00:49:37.000 Got it.

00:49:38.000 So are you saying that you could have gone and won that gold competing against men on the soccer field?

00:49:44.000 You know, I have a friend who's a gay guy who's a powerlifter, and he was upset that people were upset that trans women want to compete as women. 0.99

00:49:51.000 And I was like, dude, out of all the Fuckin' people. 1.00

00:49:54.000 You're a giant ass power lifter dude. 0.99

00:49:57.000 Out of all the giant people, or all the people rather, that know there's a difference between biological males and females, it should be you. 0.99

00:50:03.000 But in that LBGT, whatever the other extra words are...

00:50:07.000 There's a lot more now.

00:50:08.000 There's like a plus in there.

00:50:09.000 What's the plus?

00:50:12.000 It's like, I think it's like the equivalent of etc.

00:50:16.000 It's like LGBTQIA and don't ask me what they all stand for because I don't really know. 1.00

00:50:22.000 And then it's the plus at the end.

00:50:24.000 What could the I be?

00:50:26.000 Intersex? 0.75

00:50:27.000 Yeah.

00:50:28.000 What's the A? Asexual. 0.98

00:50:31.000 Well, you don't even have a fucking dog in the game. 1.00

00:50:33.000 I'm actually guessing. 1.00

00:50:34.000 I don't know.

00:50:34.000 It could be something else.

00:50:35.000 But if you're asexual, stay the fuck out of it. 1.00

00:50:40.000 How is asexual lumped in there with gay men? 1.00

00:50:42.000 Because gay men are the most non-asexual people alive. 1.00

00:50:47.000 All they're doing is having sex. 1.00

00:50:49.000 Like the fact that the asexuals... 1.00

00:50:51.000 Hey, I'm not even in this conversation, man.

00:50:53.000 Leave me out of it.

00:50:55.000 Is it asexual? 0.73

00:50:56.000 The fact that gay men get lumped in with lesbians is like...

00:51:01.000 Lesbians and gay men don't necessarily get along that well because of that reason. 1.00

00:51:04.000 Gay men are pretty fucking sexual. 1.00

00:51:06.000 And then you get down to asexual and that's in the same group. 1.00

00:51:09.000 I mean, you know, gay and lesbian friends of mine don't get on with the whole, like, trans activism part either.

00:51:17.000 I mean, this is not one, you know, what do you call it, like, monolithic group.

00:51:22.000 Well, they have to publicly support that because of that whole...

00:51:35.000 I think?

00:51:47.000 Entering into what is, in their mind, feminist spaces and then running things. 1.00

00:51:53.000 And running things like a man and running things with threats and with aggression and insults and treating people the way biological men tend to treat people when they're behaving at their worst.

00:52:07.000 And, you know, that's a real giant issue because if you're a woman and you're a feminist, you're supposed to be ideologically left, you know, maybe even like far left in some of their eyes. 1.00

00:52:20.000 And now all of a sudden you get lumped in with something you completely disagree with.

00:52:24.000 Yeah.

00:52:25.000 Before I left Congress, I introduced a bill called the Protect Women's Sports Act.

00:52:31.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:52:32.000 Exactly.

00:52:37.000 I am a woman.

00:52:39.000 Just to make that clear.

00:52:41.000 Congratulations!

00:52:42.000 I could be one too.

00:52:44.000 Don't get cocky.

00:52:44.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:52:49.000 I'm going to put myself out there and disagree wholeheartedly with that, Joe Rogan. 0.66

00:52:55.000 You are a bigot. 0.90

00:52:56.000 I can't believe it. 0.98

00:52:58.000 Outrageous.

00:52:59.000 I've been called worse things.

00:53:02.000 We introduced this legislation.

00:53:04.000 I introduced it with a Republican friend of mine named Mark Wayne Mullen from Oklahoma.

00:53:07.000 And he's got six kids.

00:53:10.000 Three of them are little girls.

00:53:11.000 All of his kids wrestle.

00:53:13.000 And the bill was very, very simple in upholding the original intent of Title IX. Can you explain Title IX to people?

00:53:21.000 Title IX was passed, gosh, I think in the 70s, if I'm not mistaken.

00:53:29.000 And it was a huge landmark piece of legislation because it delineated, it provided a level playing field on the basis of sex.

00:53:39.000 Meaning males have opportunities, females deserve those same opportunities, whether it be in sports or in college, and in a public funding realm, essentially. 0.95

00:53:53.000 Where the federal government can impact it, it said there has to be a level playing field and equal opportunities.

00:53:59.000 So people like my mom who grew up, she's very athletic, the only thing that was available to her in high school was cheerleading, and she did it. 1.00

00:54:05.000 She was great.

00:54:06.000 But she would have liked the opportunity to be able to compete in other sports.

00:54:08.000 Carla Esparza, I think, is a more modern-day example.

00:54:12.000 There were no girls' wrestling teams in her high school. 0.95

00:54:16.000 She got a scholarship to wrestle in college on a girls' team, and obviously she has gone on to do amazing things. 0.87

00:54:22.000 So Title IX was created recognizing that difference on the basis of sex.

00:54:32.000 Democrats have championed Title IX and talked about this great accomplishment in passing this legislation for decades.

00:54:40.000 And that's where it makes no sense.

00:54:42.000 So our legislation basically just said, hey, we want to uphold the original intent of Title IX in recognizing the biological differences between males and females.

00:54:52.000 Period.

00:54:53.000 They should not be competing against each other.

00:54:56.000 The legislation didn't move forward for obvious reasons.

00:55:00.000 We were excoriated for having the audacity to uphold the original intent of Title IX. I think?

00:55:36.000 Not running through Congress, not allowing the people's voices to be heard, but trying to backdoor this through and making threats to publicly funded educational institutions as a means of trying to implement this.

00:55:50.000 Now, why do you think they're doing that?

00:55:51.000 And is that publicly supported?

00:55:54.000 Because the only thing that makes sense is politically they would do that because that would help them in terms of an election.

00:56:04.000 Why else would they do that?

00:56:27.000 And trying to placate them in their radical policies and their extremes rather than actually standing up and saying, you know what, no, this is science, this is biology, and this is what's right.

00:56:41.000 And oh, by the way, it would also be politically beneficial given where the vast majority of Democrats and Americans are on this.

00:56:51.000 But it's just wild that no one's pushing back.

00:56:55.000 It's really wild, especially no one in the Democratic Party.

00:56:58.000 They seem like they're captive by the furthest left.

00:57:02.000 Yeah.

00:57:03.000 It's true.

00:57:04.000 And that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:57:05.000 Because if the majority of Democrats, and I agree with that, the majority of people that I know that are on the left don't think it's fair.

00:57:12.000 Why are they doing it then?

00:57:14.000 Because that seems like that would be an unpopular position.

00:57:16.000 Not just an unpopular position, but horribly unpopular for people that have daughters that compete in sports.

00:57:22.000 Exactly.

00:57:22.000 Like, if you're a daughter and you're competing in that Connecticut track and field team where those two biological males are breaking world records, like, that's crazy!

00:57:30.000 It is.

00:57:31.000 Like, at what point in time do you not understand you're denying a child A fair future.

00:57:37.000 You're denying them a potential scholarship where they could go to a university and pursue an education. 0.94

00:57:43.000 You're fucking them up because of this thing that doesn't even affect you. 0.95

00:57:49.000 You're just doing it for this cult-like ideological perspective. 0.98

00:57:54.000 Exactly.

00:57:54.000 And that's the danger of it, is the people in charge of the Democratic Party, whether they actually hold positions or they just are influential in the Democratic Party, Have created this cult-like atmosphere and fomented this fear so much so that people who are really in a position to impact this,

00:58:13.000 to stand up against and say, hold on, guys, this is literally insane and needs to stop.

00:58:20.000 They're too afraid to do so because of what the ramifications will be.

00:58:26.000 The Democratic Party of the past, the Democratic Party that I joined doesn't exist anymore.

00:58:31.000 The party that was, you know, the party of JFK, of Dr. Martin Luther King, the party of inclusivity, the big tent party that Welcomed and encouraged this marketplace of ideas and conversations and people who held different views, the party of,

00:58:46.000 you know, the championed women and equality and the rights of people in our society, that party just, it doesn't exist anymore.

00:58:55.000 And instead, we have a party that's being led by people who have gone insane with this ideological fanaticism.

00:59:06.000 I think?

00:59:12.000 I think?

00:59:24.000 The teachers unions, only they have that right and responsibility.

00:59:27.000 They're undermining families.

00:59:30.000 They don't believe in the rule of law.

00:59:32.000 Defund the police.

00:59:33.000 The Supreme Court, we don't agree with them, so they're illegitimate.

00:59:36.000 There's so many different examples of this...

00:59:42.000 It's all about these ideologues who have taken control of the Democratic Party, who don't actually care about the people.

00:59:48.000 It's all about themselves, their power, and their maintaining control.

00:59:53.000 And that's the real threat to our democracy that they pose, is they don't believe in freedom of speech.

00:59:59.000 They don't believe in freedom of thought.

01:00:00.000 They don't believe in freedom of religion.

01:00:02.000 All they believe in is you've got to buy into whatever they're selling at any given day.

01:00:07.000 And like I said, it's not enough...

01:00:16.000 I think?

01:00:34.000 I've been trying to fight against within the Democratic Party back when I was vice chair of the DNC for years and it's gotten to a point where Those who have been in charge for a long time, remain in charge,

01:00:50.000 are not willing to change, and so I'm leaving the Democratic Party.

01:00:58.000 Is that this big announcement?

01:01:00.000 Yeah.

01:01:00.000 You're leaving the Democratic Party?

01:01:05.000 I've tried to enact that change from within.

01:01:08.000 I don't see the Democratic Party as being savable.

01:01:13.000 And I know that I can make an impact more from the outside.

01:01:20.000 And frankly, I can't be associated and stand by this insanity that's been going on and continues to worsen day by day.

01:01:28.000 Are you going to be an independent?

01:01:29.000 Yep.

01:01:30.000 So that's how you're moving forward.

01:01:32.000 What is it about this country that is so politically married to having two teams and two teams only?

01:01:40.000 And how do we fix that?

01:01:42.000 Because there is very little room for someone who's a third party candidate to be taken seriously in this country.

01:01:50.000 And when you do vote for a libertarian, you do vote for an independent, many people think of it as a protest vote.

01:01:57.000 Spoiler, right?

01:01:58.000 Or at the very least, you say, you know, that's why I voted for Joe Jorgensen.

01:02:03.000 That is me personally, why I did.

01:02:05.000 Because I was like, I'm not voting for him, and I'm not voting for her. 1.00

01:02:09.000 Fuck this. 1.00

01:02:09.000 And then I'm not voting. 1.00

01:02:11.000 Or this one was Biden, actually.

01:02:13.000 But that was also why I was voting for Gary Johnson.

01:02:15.000 It was like, I'm not voting for her, and I'm not voting for him.

01:02:17.000 I'll vote for that guy, even if he doesn't know where Aleppo is. 0.59

01:02:22.000 That's right.

01:02:23.000 I forgot about that.

01:02:24.000 But I don't...

01:02:26.000 That wasn't that big of a deal to me.

01:02:27.000 That to me was like...

01:02:28.000 It seems like...

01:02:29.000 I mean, it was a big deal at the time, but it seems like so minor now compared to, you know, our vice president standing at the DMZ saying we are great allies with North Korea. 0.99

01:02:40.000 What a fuck up that was. 0.99

01:02:42.000 And that didn't even make the news. 0.99

01:02:44.000 People barely talked about it.

01:02:46.000 Exactly.

01:02:46.000 Our great partnership with North Korea.

01:02:49.000 Like, what?

01:02:50.000 Yeah.

01:02:51.000 North Korea? 0.67

01:02:51.000 Yeah. 0.67

01:02:52.000 And she didn't even stand there and be like, I'm sorry, I misspoke. 0.66

01:02:56.000 Right.

01:02:56.000 No.

01:02:57.000 Well, sometimes people, like, you don't realize, I do that all the time.

01:03:00.000 Like, Jamie will correct me all the time.

01:03:02.000 I'll say something that I thought, I thought I'd said another thing.

01:03:05.000 Right.

01:03:05.000 And he's like, you said that.

01:03:06.000 I go, oh, did I? Yeah.

01:03:07.000 Oh, I didn't mean that.

01:03:07.000 I meant the other thing.

01:03:08.000 Right.

01:03:09.000 Because you just, it's just a flub.

01:03:11.000 Yeah.

01:03:12.000 I guess the problem is it comes in a long line of flubs.

01:03:17.000 She's terrible. 0.99

01:03:18.000 She is absolutely terrible. 0.83

01:03:20.000 And that is, for you, that is where everything sort of soured with you and the Democratic Party was when during the debates where you accurately pointed out her record.

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:35.000 And you basically sank any hope that she had of being president because you opened up this discussion that many people are not aware of about her prosecution record and the things that she's done that are absolutely illegal, like forcing people to work as labor,

01:03:51.000 as cheap labor for the state to fight wildfires after they're supposed to be released.

01:03:55.000 Exactly.

01:03:56.000 They did their time.

01:03:57.000 They did their time and she kept them in prison to use them essentially as slave labor for the state, putting their own lives at risk forcibly. 0.96

01:04:06.000 The thing about my exchange with her on that debate stage, when you take a step back, you got a question like all of those things I brought up on her record, You easily Google-able on the first page when you look at Kamala Harris's record,

01:04:25.000 all of those things.

01:04:26.000 I'd have to dig very deep to see what those issues and problems were with her record. 0.66

01:04:31.000 So then the question is, hey, why didn't anybody in the media ask her these questions about the record that she said, I'm so proud of my record as this and as that, as that?

01:04:40.000 All right, cool.

01:04:41.000 Talk about this.

01:04:42.000 This is your record.

01:04:43.000 Talk about these things.

01:04:44.000 No one in the media did that. 0.98

01:04:46.000 There's no other candidate on the debate stage who had the balls to bring that up.

01:04:51.000 How are voters supposed to be able to make their best informed decision when the media and fellow Democratic candidates who are running, who are opponents in that race, don't have the courage to ask a very factual question on a record that she says she's proud of?

01:05:11.000 Do you think that there's a concerted effort to hide that information, or do you think that people recognize that that's a trap?

01:05:21.000 Like, if I do that, then it's gonna fuck up my future.

01:05:25.000 They're gonna not want me to participate in certain things, which most certainly happened to you.

01:05:30.000 Yes.

01:05:31.000 That most certainly happens.

01:05:32.000 And that shows the double standard.

01:05:34.000 I don't know why no one had the courage to ask her those questions, why I was the first person to do it.

01:05:41.000 If I had to guess, I would imagine it's because she's got friends in high places.

01:05:45.000 I would guess it's because she's a woman of color and no one wants to be seen as the person attacking a woman of color who's running for president. 1.00

01:05:54.000 They got no issues attacking me on a whole host of fronts.

01:05:59.000 But because, again, she was connected.

01:06:02.000 She's playing the game.

01:06:03.000 She's somebody that the Democratic Party knows that they can control. 0.98

01:06:08.000 And that was the thing for me.

01:06:10.000 And it started years before I ran for president.

01:06:14.000 I got elected to Congress and they were like, Oh, she's the first this.

01:06:18.000 She's the first that. 0.97

01:06:18.000 She's cool. 0.97

01:06:19.000 She's going to be one of us.

01:06:20.000 We'll put her forward.

01:06:21.000 And, you know, she'll be a great new face of the Democratic Party, all these things.

01:06:26.000 But then very quickly they realize, like, I mean, I've always been an independent Democrat.

01:06:31.000 Every race that I've ever run, whether it was for city council in Honolulu or for the state legislature or for Congress, I was never like the party pick ever.

01:06:40.000 I never won any of those races with the Democratic Party saying, all right, hey, we're going to back you up.

01:06:45.000 We're going to send you money.

01:06:46.000 We're going to send the troops out to support you.

01:06:48.000 None of that.

01:06:49.000 It has always been a truly grassroots campaign of the people, which is amazing.

01:06:55.000 They found out very quickly like, okay, she's not somebody that the puppet masters can control.

01:07:00.000 She's not just going to read the talking points when she goes on TV or stands on the house floor.

01:07:05.000 And that's where things started to take a turn, where those who are in those positions of power said, okay, she's somebody who could expose our weaknesses, expose our So our insecurities exposed the hypocrisies in our arguments and started to create that distance and then resorted to the smear and the discrediting and the attacks and then ultimately like total media blackouts.

01:07:32.000 It's amazing when I talk to people and it happened recently with Alex Berenson.

01:07:37.000 He was like, isn't she crazy?

01:07:39.000 I'm like, what's crazy? 0.72

01:07:40.000 How's she crazy? 0.97

01:07:41.000 Tell me how she's crazy. 0.99

01:07:42.000 And then no examples.

01:07:43.000 I'm like, well, why are you saying that?

01:07:45.000 Like, why does someone say...

01:07:46.000 He's like, yeah, actually, you're right.

01:07:48.000 Like, I don't have an example.

01:07:51.000 I'm like, isn't that weird that you just like have...

01:07:53.000 And he's a journalist.

01:07:55.000 I mean, worked for the New York Times.

01:07:56.000 And it just... 0.61

01:07:57.000 Isn't she crazy? 0.63

01:07:58.000 Yep. 0.94

01:07:59.000 Yep.

01:07:59.000 Accepting that.

01:08:00.000 And that's how they do it.

01:08:01.000 Wild.

01:08:02.000 That's how they do it is like, hey, let's just plant a seed of doubt or suspicion so that most people, I mean, as a journalist, he's got no excuse, but most people don't have just, I mean, honestly, they don't have the time.

01:08:16.000 They hear one thing.

01:08:17.000 They're like, shoot, like, I got kids.

01:08:19.000 I got work.

01:08:20.000 We got soccer games.

01:08:21.000 We got this.

01:08:22.000 We got that.

01:08:22.000 And you want me to do research?

01:08:23.000 Like, wait, what?

01:08:24.000 Right.

01:08:25.000 And you want me to do research from multiple different platforms so that I get an unbiased perspective or at least an objective perspective based on multiple sources of information.

01:08:38.000 It's like it's Such a bizarre system that we have and it's so easy to rig because there's only two parties and both parties are controlled by these gigantic special interest groups.

01:08:53.000 Gigantic special interest groups, corporate, for-profit, media, big tech, and then the powers in both parties.

01:09:05.000 And that's where I'm glad you used the word rigged because it's an important word and usually when you use it, people aren't thinking of it in the way that we're talking about.

01:09:16.000 It's what I experienced during that campaign is that collusion between those very, very powerful entities I think we're good to go.

01:09:50.000 Or if people are noticing them, we're going to do everything that we can to smear them and undermine their credibility so that when they do speak, you get that kind of reaction from Berenson.

01:10:03.000 Did you notice an immediate change in the way people communicated with you before that debate versus after that debate?

01:10:14.000 That was one of the factors.

01:10:18.000 That was one of the factors.

01:10:20.000 The interesting thing to me was that I heard from some friends who were sitting kind of in the green rooms and backstage for some of the major cable networks at that moment, live, when it happened on the debate stage.

01:10:33.000 There was a whole bunch of people cheering and like, holy crap, that just happened.

01:10:39.000 Yeah.

01:10:40.000 But probably within an hour, maybe 30 minutes of the debate being finished and going into the media room where you've got the post-debate, all the interviews and all those things happening, immediately it was like, okay, no, we've got to change the narrative because we can't allow that to stick.

01:11:01.000 Is there any courting of you by the Republican Party?

01:11:07.000 Not that I know of.

01:11:09.000 You have no interest?

01:11:10.000 No, no.

01:11:11.000 I mean, look, the Republican Party, I mean, what is the Republican Party today?

01:11:16.000 You know, I've got Republican friends who don't like to be associated with each other because they're in different factions of the Republican Party.

01:11:28.000 I think that, you know, when you look at the two, I think there's potential there for that party.

01:11:35.000 The Republican Party has kind of turned more towards populism and actually fighting for working people.

01:11:45.000 You look at a recent vote that was taken on the issue of foreign policy and war and peace.

01:11:52.000 The Republican Party had like, I think it was 50 members of Congress voted against that massive multi-billion dollar bill.

01:12:03.000 I think?

01:12:24.000 Is very strongly within the grips of the military industrial complex and advocating for more war and you have more Republicans.

01:12:32.000 And I think even Trump, this was Trump's instinct when he ran for president and he was president, was like, hey, we shouldn't be going and being the policemen of the world.

01:12:41.000 We shouldn't be going around the world and starting all these wars.

01:12:45.000 I think the problem with him was he surrounded himself with people who held a diametrically opposed view.

01:12:53.000 You know, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, John Bolton, people who never saw a war they didn't like and advocated for.

01:13:03.000 So there's movement.

01:13:05.000 There's movement happening within the Democratic Party.

01:13:10.000 Leadership is going crazy.

01:13:11.000 I think the Republican Party is, I don't know, I think they're trying to figure out what they're doing.

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:18.000 I mean, I think if they had someone like Ron DeSantis, who seems to be like the most reasonable amongst the potential candidates, he seems to be, you know, a pretty no-nonsense guy, not without his flaws, but he's more reasonable than anything that I'm seeing on the left.

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 At least with the way he handled COVID. Yeah.

01:13:41.000 It's one of those things where as it's all playing out, there's this sense of hopelessness because there's not a clearly defined path where this country's ship gets righted.

01:13:55.000 It's like I just see a lot of chaos and a lot of confusion and a lot of infighting and I don't know how this plays out.

01:14:05.000 It doesn't seem like there's a real clear, oh, this is our path to sanity.

01:14:12.000 You're right.

01:14:13.000 And I think the first step towards that path, though, is people recognizing what the insanity is and the problems.

01:14:26.000 And I think that more and more these things are coming to light.

01:14:31.000 I can tell you, I mean, I know there are a lot of Democrats that feel the same kind of frustration that I feel with the Democratic Party leadership.

01:14:40.000 Often quietly.

01:14:41.000 Yes. 0.99

01:14:41.000 Yeah, there's a lot of quiet disagreement where people are just like, I'm not voting for Trump, but what the fuck are we doing? 0.99

01:14:48.000 Right. 0.97

01:14:48.000 And I think there's that in the Republican Party as well. 0.97

01:14:52.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.000 And so I think that that creates opportunity for us as a country to get out of just this two-party system mindset and this mindset of fear that drives so many of the elections where instead of saying like,

01:15:11.000 hey, I'm running for president because this is how I'm offering to lead the country.

01:15:17.000 This is how I'm offering to serve the country.

01:15:19.000 Here are the things that I'll do. 0.88

01:15:20.000 Instead of that, we are kind of relegated to, hey, vote for me or vote for my party because the other guy is the devil.

01:15:30.000 Right. 1.00

01:15:32.000 And really treating voters like we're idiots and we don't care or have the intelligence to actually look at, okay, here's where you stand on this issue. 0.99

01:15:44.000 Here's where this other person stands on this issue. 1.00

01:15:46.000 I'm going to make my decision not based on party.

01:15:49.000 But actually based on, hey, who best reflects my values?

01:15:53.000 Who is actually going to put the country first, the interests of the American people and the country first?

01:15:59.000 And not just the people who say the words, but the people who actually have the record and the policies to back that up.

01:16:07.000 And so I hope that this is the direction that we're moving in as more and more people get disillusioned with Leaders in both parties who care more about their own political ambitions and their own party's power than they actually do care about the American people.

01:16:27.000 It seems like part of the problem is that that attack style of politics works.

01:16:34.000 Like, just think about someone saying, oh, she's crazy. 0.89

01:16:38.000 Like, okay, how is she crazy? 0.84

01:16:39.000 But that's a narrative.

01:16:40.000 And it gets out there because they attacked you.

01:16:42.000 So that stuff works.

01:16:44.000 That's what's unfortunate.

01:16:45.000 Is that instead of – to make it – like if there was an incentive to say these are our plans and this is how we can implement this and just ignore negativity on the other side.

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 This is what I want to do and I think that we are the best hope for the American people moving forward.

01:17:01.000 Yeah.

01:17:02.000 You know, when I was running for president at town halls that we held across the country, it didn't really matter where we were, whether it was a small town or a big city, middle America, East Coast, West Coast.

01:17:15.000 One of the things that—one of the media-embedded reporters that would, you know, kind of follow us around everywhere we went— I think?

01:17:46.000 And it was because we talked about different issues.

01:17:50.000 We talked about, you know, the threat of nuclear war.

01:17:55.000 We talked about this new Cold War, the dangers of continuing down this path.

01:17:59.000 We talked about things that they – education.

01:18:02.000 We talked about how – we actually talked about these things most days.

01:18:06.000 I never brought up Trump.

01:18:08.000 Because why?

01:18:09.000 I'm running and I'm asking you, hey, let me have the opportunity to serve you and here's what we will do.

01:18:14.000 Whereas with these other candidates, these other Democrat candidates who are running, people left angry.

01:18:22.000 People left angry.

01:18:23.000 And that was their only goal was like, hey, how many lines against Trump can we use that we know are going to piss people off?

01:18:30.000 And motivate them through anger and fear rather than through hope and inspiration for what we can do together as a country.

01:18:42.000 That's the direction that we need to go.

01:18:45.000 And there are a lot of things that are issues that are of concern.

01:18:50.000 And treating people with respect and like they have intelligence and actually tackling those issues Breaking through and being able to deliver that message to the American people I think is the challenge.

01:19:04.000 I think people want it, but the media does a really great job of kind of reducing things to their lowest kind of standard.

01:19:16.000 Do you think that the biggest challenge or one of the...

01:19:19.000 I should just rephrase that.

01:19:20.000 One of the biggest challenges, I believe, is the influence of money and...

01:19:29.000 Dave Smith was on the podcast recently, and we went over the defense budget, and I had no idea it was that much.

01:19:39.000 It's such an insane amount of money.

01:19:42.000 How?

01:19:44.000 Can decisions be made that are not influenced by that money?

01:19:50.000 When you're talking about, what was it, $1.7 trillion?

01:19:54.000 That is a preposterously huge amount of money per year.

01:19:59.000 That was the 2022 budget, apparently.

01:20:02.000 What can be done I think we're good to go.

01:20:22.000 To all the political decisions that get made in this country, particularly when it has to do with foreign policy.

01:20:28.000 When you're talking about, and you have been a very outspoken critic of interventionalist foreign policy and wars that are unnecessary and that put lives in danger and cost incredible amounts of money but enrich the coffers of all these corporations.

01:20:46.000 And that undermine our own interests and security interests.

01:20:49.000 Yes.

01:20:50.000 And this is exactly what Eisenhower warned of when he was leaving office.

01:20:53.000 Exactly.

01:20:54.000 The military-industrial complex.

01:20:56.000 I mean, that is such a nefarious term.

01:20:59.000 And to most people, it's sort of abstract.

01:21:02.000 Like, you hear that term, the military-industrial complex.

01:21:04.000 Like, if you go to the average person in the street, even a well-educated person, like, define that.

01:21:08.000 What does that mean?

01:21:09.000 Like, how do they affect policy and change?

01:21:12.000 And what's the defense budget?

01:21:13.000 Like, how much money are we talking about?

01:21:15.000 So with things like funding the Ukraine war with Russia, please explain to people what that means and why we're sending so much money over to Ukraine.

01:21:30.000 So let's start with that.

01:21:32.000 Let's start with the military industrial complex.

01:21:34.000 What is it?

01:21:35.000 Who is it?

01:21:36.000 It is these massive defense corporations who make all these different weapons systems from the smallest to the most powerful nuclear weapons and missiles.

01:21:50.000 When we are at war, they make a lot of money.

01:21:55.000 When politicians, even if we're not at war, but are threatening that we may go to war, they make a lot of money.

01:22:02.000 And these decisions are not made within the context of, hey, what does our military actually need?

01:22:08.000 What do we need to ensure that our military is ready to defend our country and our national security interests?

01:22:16.000 It is very often what members of Congress are advocating for, even more than the military is asking for sometimes, because of those cozy relationships with the military industrial complex, with these massive defense contractors and their lobbyists.

01:22:33.000 So there's a direct correlation as the money is changing hands there.

01:22:41.000 The problem is not with the Democratic Party, the Republican Party.

01:22:45.000 On this issue, when you see so much divisiveness on tons of other issues facing our country, everything from infrastructure to education, all these other things, you see like, oh my gosh, Democrats and Republicans can't agree on anything.

01:22:57.000 This issue of putting our country in a continual state of war is supported by leaders in both parties and the majority of people in both parties.

01:23:08.000 And it's directly tied to the military-industrial complex's influence and tied to people who, you know, want to act and look tough, but aren't asking the most important questions like, okay, if we do this, will this help the American people or hurt the American people?

01:23:26.000 If we vote to, you know, send these billions of dollars to Ukraine, is that strengthening our national security or undermining it?

01:23:37.000 You'll hear a lot of rhetoric, especially recently, saying, hey, if we've got to send all this money to Ukraine, otherwise Russia's going to come and attack us.

01:23:50.000 Otherwise, our national security will be undermined.

01:23:52.000 So they say all these things to foment fear in people's minds, but they're not rooted in reality.

01:23:58.000 So what we're seeing play out now is essentially a proxy war.

01:24:04.000 U.S. is engaging in a proxy war with Russia using Ukraine as their military.

01:24:11.000 So the U.S. and some European countries, predominantly the U.S., though, are providing We're good to go.

01:24:34.000 Years before, obviously, Russia's invasion in Ukraine, this anti-Russia sentiment has been building up by the permanent Washington establishment and laying the groundwork and this was the opportunity that they saw.

01:24:52.000 It's put us in the most dangerous position we, the American people, and the world has ever been in, in that a nuclear war could break out in a week,

01:25:08.000 in 30 days.

01:25:09.000 We are staring over the precipice of that nuclear brink now more than ever before.

01:25:16.000 We're hearing language coming from Putin, from Medvedev, from different Russian nationalist leaders saying, no, Putin, you should go and use those nuclear weapons.

01:25:28.000 Whether they're the tactical nukes or the strategic nukes, doesn't matter.

01:25:31.000 There is no way to win this.

01:25:34.000 That would spark...

01:25:36.000 A nuclear war.

01:25:38.000 It would spark World War III. And the result of that is destruction of the world. 0.77

01:25:44.000 It is destruction of the world as we know it.

01:25:47.000 And, you know, I hate to paint such a bleak picture, but people need to know that this is the reality that we're facing, that our leaders have pushed us and led us to this brink of nuclear war.

01:26:01.000 They have their own bunkers and ways to protect themselves.

01:26:07.000 There is no shelter for the American people.

01:26:29.000 There is no shelter.

01:26:30.000 There's no place to go.

01:26:32.000 There's no place where you can take your loved ones and your kids to be protected not only from the blast but the fallout and the lack of food and water and everything else that comes after.

01:26:46.000 New York City recently put out a PSA. I don't know if you saw it, but it is literally a video ad that they put out saying, hey, here's what you do in the event of a nuclear explosion.

01:26:59.000 Why are they putting this out now?

01:27:00.000 Because of where we are as a country.

01:27:02.000 The problem is, as it shows in this video, their advice to the people of New York City is get inside, stay inside, and stay tuned.

01:27:14.000 That's it.

01:27:15.000 Stay tuned to what?

01:27:16.000 The radio, I guess.

01:27:18.000 I mean, what is even going to be available?

01:27:20.000 That's my point.

01:27:21.000 That is exactly my point.

01:27:23.000 There will be no power.

01:27:24.000 There will be no infrastructure.

01:27:27.000 You see what's happening in Florida right now with the recovery efforts after this hurricane just swept.

01:27:35.000 You think about that, multiply that by like, I don't know, 50,000 times the devastation is what we would see.

01:27:43.000 But we wouldn't have FEMA. We wouldn't have these first responders who are able to actually go out and help people.

01:27:48.000 And the worst thing, man, the worst thing I said when I watched that PSA, get inside, stay inside, stay tuned.

01:27:54.000 At the end, I'm assuming as an actor they hired to do this, she looks in the camera and she's like, you got this, New York.

01:28:02.000 Like, what in the world?

01:28:03.000 These people are creating this false sense of security for the American people saying like, oh yeah, take shelter.

01:28:10.000 But there is no shelter.

01:28:12.000 We should watch that because it's so crazy.

01:28:14.000 It is insane.

01:28:15.000 Let's watch that because it's...

01:28:22.000 So there's been a nuclear attack.

01:28:24.000 Don't ask me how or why, just know that the big one has hit, okay?

01:28:29.000 So what do we do?

01:28:31.000 There are three important steps that I want you to remember.

01:28:34.000 Step one, get inside fast. 0.99

01:28:38.000 You, your friends, your family, get inside.

01:28:41.000 And no, staying in the car is not an option.

01:28:44.000 You need to get into a building and move away from the windows.

01:28:49.000 Look at her smiles.

01:28:50.000 I know.

01:28:51.000 Step two.

01:28:52.000 Stay inside.

01:28:54.000 Shut all doors and windows.

01:28:56.000 Have a basement?

01:28:57.000 Head there.

01:28:59.000 If you don't have one, get as far into the middle of the building as possible.

01:29:04.000 If you were outside after the blast, get clean immediately.

01:29:09.000 Remove and bag all outer clothing to keep radioactive dust or ash away from your body.

01:29:16.000 Step 3. Stay tuned.

01:29:19.000 Follow media for more information.

01:29:21.000 Don't forget to sign up for Notify NYC for official alerts and updates.

01:29:26.000 And don't go outside until officials say it's safe.

01:29:30.000 Alright?

01:29:32.000 You've got this. 1.00

01:29:35.000 Shit. 1.00

01:29:37.000 Officials like who? 1.00

01:29:38.000 Rashida Tlaib?

01:29:39.000 She's gonna tell you?

01:29:40.000 Like who's the officials?

01:29:42.000 People that they elected?

01:29:43.000 Who?

01:29:44.000 Who's gonna tell you it's okay to go outside during a nuclear blast in the United States, something that's never happened ever and that we're completely woefully unprepared for?

01:29:53.000 Exactly.

01:29:54.000 You got this.

01:29:55.000 You got this.

01:29:55.000 She's so pretty, though, with her big smile.

01:29:57.000 She's got a nice smile.

01:29:58.000 She's got a great smile.

01:29:59.000 That's probably why they hired her. 0.99

01:30:01.000 That is a crazy thing to put out there.

01:30:05.000 First of all, because what's the purpose of that?

01:30:08.000 Is that to reassure people?

01:30:10.000 Like, what is the purpose of that?

01:30:12.000 It's not to inform people, because none of what she said makes any sense.

01:30:15.000 No.

01:30:15.000 Oh, get in the middle of the room?

01:30:16.000 Oh, that's okay.

01:30:17.000 The outside's not good?

01:30:18.000 Just stay away from the window.

01:30:19.000 The middle's not going to be...

01:30:20.000 Because the radiation is not...

01:30:22.000 It just stays, but...

01:30:23.000 Yeah.

01:30:24.000 It doesn't move.

01:30:25.000 It's kind of like a fog machine.

01:30:26.000 Yeah.

01:30:26.000 It just doesn't get inside.

01:30:28.000 I was in, I think it was after my second deployment.

01:30:34.000 When I came back from the Middle East, I went on a trip and did some travel through Eastern Europe and went and actually visited Chernobyl.

01:30:41.000 And it was astonishing to me even decades after that happened.

01:30:47.000 Because I was curious.

01:30:47.000 I'd heard about it and I was like, okay.

01:30:52.000 Went on this little bus and went out there.

01:30:55.000 They gave us these radiation monitors, these handheld radiation monitors, so that wherever we were, you know, you could kind of test and see where the radiation still existed.

01:31:06.000 They're like, oh, you're going to see apple trees and things like that?

01:31:10.000 Don't eat any of the fruit because it's contaminated.

01:31:13.000 It is still contaminated decades later.

01:31:17.000 Walking through the middle of the town, I know everyone's seen the pictures and obviously now with that Chernobyl series, I think that Netflix did.

01:31:25.000 More and more people know the story, but walking through the school and the classrooms where the desks and the books and the kids' shoes and the deflated basketballs, everything is still there in the way that it was when people fled and had to evacuate.

01:31:45.000 When that nuclear plant melted down.

01:31:48.000 It was so eerie walking through there.

01:31:52.000 You could almost kind of feel the heaviness of what happened there.

01:31:59.000 And then as we were leaving after we left and were crossing back into Ukraine, Before we got on the bus, we had to go through these radiation, kind of like the thing you walk through in TSA,

01:32:15.000 except it tests for radiation to make sure you're not actually bringing any contaminants with you back into TSA. All of that is to say, this is what we're talking about.

01:32:25.000 So you see that kind of video, and you see how completely out of touch it is with the reality of what could happen in the event of a nuclear attack.

01:32:36.000 And the fact that Russia's got, what, over 6,000 nuclear warheads.

01:32:41.000 The United States has over 5,000 nuclear warheads.

01:32:44.000 Both countries making up 90% of the total number of nuclear warheads that exist in the world.

01:32:52.000 And literally it would just take the flick of a match to spark this war off.

01:32:57.000 And that's where say, okay, well, you hear President Biden say, well, this is Putin's war.

01:33:01.000 This is Putin's fault.

01:33:03.000 It's Putin who's the one who's solely responsible.

01:33:07.000 Well, the United States and some of these European NATO countries are fueling this war.

01:33:14.000 And need to provide the leadership to bring about a negotiated outcome.

01:33:19.000 That is exactly what needs to happen here to prevent the destruction of the planet and life as we know it.

01:33:29.000 They're not doing that.

01:33:30.000 And in doing so they are failing the American people and putting us in this position of Not knowing where we're going to be in the event that this kicks off.

01:33:42.000 Do you think that whoever the powers that be and whatever the influence is from the military industrial complex, that they are trying to prolong this in order to profit?

01:33:54.000 So they're trying to continue to fund Ukraine.

01:33:57.000 This gives them an excellent reason to Ramp up budgets and keep shipping over weapons and arms.

01:34:05.000 They keep making more and more profit and just get us right to the point where it gets squirrely.

01:34:11.000 Well, Putin won't do it.

01:34:12.000 He won't do it.

01:34:13.000 He won't do it.

01:34:14.000 But if he does it, there's no pulling back from that.

01:34:17.000 And the only reason why we would ever get to that point is because people are trying to make more money.

01:34:24.000 That is certainly a major driver.

01:34:27.000 I have no doubt about that.

01:34:29.000 I am concerned that we may have passed that point already.

01:34:39.000 You're talking about people pushing us right up, right up to the line and then just saying, well, you know, the whole theory of nuclear weapons is one of mutually assured destruction, right?

01:34:50.000 There's no way Putin will ever launch this.

01:34:53.000 Because of that fear of like, okay, well, we will all be destroyed if that happens.

01:35:00.000 And they're saying, you know, Putin is many things, but he's not crazy.

01:35:05.000 There's no way he's going to do this.

01:35:06.000 Well, they're talking about doing it.

01:35:08.000 They changed their nuclear weapons policy so that according to their laws, they would be authorized to use a nuclear weapon if they are facing any kind of existential threat, whether it's coming from a nuclear source or not.

01:35:22.000 And you look at the situation that Putin is in right now.

01:35:28.000 He's boxed into a corner.

01:35:30.000 He's lost face.

01:35:33.000 He is in a place where he may feel like he has nothing else to lose.

01:35:42.000 And you find that same kind of mentality in people who are suicidal or people who are bullied or people who feel like they're Their best option is a way out.

01:35:56.000 And so to be so dismissive and say, well, you know, Putin's not crazy.

01:36:01.000 He's not going to do this.

01:36:04.000 It denies the reality of the position that he's in.

01:36:10.000 Also, doesn't he have cancer?

01:36:12.000 I don't know.

01:36:13.000 I've read different things about how he's sick, but...

01:36:16.000 Oliver Stone said that when he was over there, when he was filming Putin years ago, he had cancer.

01:36:22.000 And that he was being treated for cancer back then.

01:36:25.000 And he believes he still has cancer.

01:36:27.000 And there's all these rumors that he has cancer.

01:36:30.000 I mean, if he's terminal and he's slowly dying...

01:36:37.000 That's a terrifying possibility.

01:36:40.000 It is.

01:36:41.000 The opposing argument is, hey, if we don't stop Russia now, then they will take over all of Europe and come at us, 0.87

01:36:57.000 and then we'll have to deal with them later.

01:36:59.000 The problem with this is, you look at all the intelligence reports and things that were coming out in Russia first, Was preparing to invade Ukraine and then invaded Ukraine.

01:37:08.000 This is what they were saying, right?

01:37:10.000 Is they're going to do shocking on Ukraine, take all of Ukraine and then move on to, you know, other NATO allies and then to the West as a whole.

01:37:21.000 That has all been completely disproven and the intelligence community failed us as a country with those reports because we've seen how Russia's military has been depleted and destroyed in many cases.

01:37:33.000 And as far as, you know, taking over, they're having a hard time holding on to a little sliver of a non-NATO country that is directly their neighbor right now.

01:37:44.000 What to speak of being able to go and take over Ukraine and move into other countries.

01:38:05.000 And it's undermining our national security and putting us and the world in a place where nuclear war and World War III could be imminent.

01:38:15.000 Imminent.

01:38:15.000 Not like, oh, a far future possibility.

01:38:18.000 Total destruction of the planet.

01:38:21.000 Is imminent if this occurs.

01:38:25.000 Our leaders are completely failing us because they've got the power and the ability to be able to deescalate and pull us back from the brink, but they're failing to do so.

01:38:35.000 And do you think that they're failing to do so because that would cut off the gravy train?

01:38:39.000 That's certainly part of it.

01:38:40.000 That's certainly part of it.

01:38:43.000 This is something, and I'm bringing this up because no one else is talking about it.

01:38:50.000 I ran for president in 2020, warning of this outcome, seeing, hey, this is what's around the corner if you continue to wage these new cold wars.

01:38:58.000 I talked about it virtually every single day, brought it up in virtually every single interview, and the media refused to talk about it.

01:39:06.000 It was never brought up in any of the debates.

01:39:09.000 And I was even told by a reporter, like, come on, why do you keep talking about nuclear war?

01:39:17.000 Here we are.

01:39:18.000 We are unfortunately in this place.

01:39:20.000 And my concern is, you know, look, the next presidential election is over, what, two years away?

01:39:26.000 Over two years away.

01:39:28.000 We don't know what's going to happen next week or next month with this war.

01:39:33.000 The only way to stop this now is for the American people, people in Europe, people around the world, Taking that direct action to make sure that our voice is heard and holding our leaders' feet to the fire to literally bring about an end to this insanity and save our future.

01:39:55.000 Did you ever see the video of, I forget who it was from the State Department, who was on the Colbert Report?

01:40:00.000 We played it the other day during the Dave Smith podcast.

01:40:05.000 And there was a guy who wrote a book, and this was in 2014, and he was on the Colbert Report back when it was on Comedy Central.

01:40:13.000 And he was essentially bragging about how they are trying to lure the Ukraine.

01:40:22.000 We'll play it for you just so you can watch it.

01:40:25.000 Gideon Rose.

01:40:26.000 It's crazy.

01:40:28.000 First of all, before we play it, one of the things that's crazy about it is that they're essentially bragging openly about foreign policy shenanigans that are just designed to try to undermine Russia.

01:40:46.000 And they're doing it on Comedy Central in a joking way while this guy's selling a book.

01:40:52.000 And this guy, we'll play it so you see.

01:40:55.000 What does he do again, Jamie?

01:40:56.000 What is his position?

01:40:58.000 Foreign Affairs is a...

01:41:00.000 Foreign Affairs Magazine is the magazine for the Council on Foreign Relations.

01:41:05.000 Okay, so let's listen to him.

01:41:08.000 Here to tell me how to reanimate Reagan is the editor of Foreign Affairs Magazine, Gideon Rose.

01:41:14.000 Mr. Rose, thank you so much for being here.

01:41:16.000 Thank you.

01:41:18.000 There's the magazine, Foreign Affairs.

01:41:21.000 Now, Gideon, help me out here.

01:41:24.000 We've got a battle.

01:41:26.000 The Ukraine, some of them want to go into the EU, the European Union, and some of them want to stay with Russia.

01:41:32.000 If the Ukraine's not in Europe right now, what continent is it on?

01:41:36.000 Well, it's part of Eurasia, but it's part of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet bloc.

01:41:40.000 It's basically Robin to Russia's Batman. 0.79

01:41:43.000 And the challenge here...

01:41:45.000 The challenge here is to try to attract it to the West, to get it to flip sides.

01:41:50.000 So the rebels in the streets, what are they fighting for?

01:41:54.000 They're fighting for a better future.

01:41:55.000 Countries have a development...

01:41:56.000 That sounds like a political speech.

01:41:57.000 No, but it's actually true.

01:41:59.000 Countries have to develop over time, and Ukraine basically, after the end of the Soviet Union, faced two tracks.

01:42:05.000 It could stay a sort of stagnant, corrupt, authoritarian country tied to Russia, or it could essentially join the West.

01:42:12.000 It could modernize, liberalize, become a democracy.

01:42:15.000 At the last minute, when it looked like it was going to trade up from its sort of abusive relationship with its boyfriend from the hood to a nice, yuppie...

01:42:23.000 You're not loading these choices in any way whatsoever.

01:42:27.000 It's actually true.

01:42:28.000 When it looked like it was going to trade up to a better environment, at the last minute, Putin offered a bribe.

01:42:34.000 How much?

01:42:35.000 $15 billion.

01:42:36.000 That's a lot of cash, man.

01:42:37.000 It's a lot of cash.

01:42:37.000 And the president, who himself was tied to the old elites and the eastern part of the country who ties to Russia, decided to back off the change and go join Russia.

01:42:47.000 Do you know how many pirate-themed restaurants you can buy with $15 billion?

01:42:50.000 The problem was the western parts of the country and the younger parts of the country and the more modern liberal parts of the country basically knew that they had no future being Russia's vassal, and so they took to the streets.

01:43:01.000 Is America taking sides in this in any way?

01:43:04.000 If these people, the rebels are winning right now, right?

01:43:07.000 Yes, just recently.

01:43:08.000 Why isn't Obama spiking the ball in the end zone and calling Putin and saying, hey, you might have won the medal count, but we won the country count, biatchi? 0.68

01:43:17.000 It's actually a very good question, and the answer is that we don't want Russia to intervene and kick over the table like a game of risk and take Ukraine back.

01:43:26.000 Would they do that?

01:43:27.000 Could he send in troops?

01:43:28.000 Yes, he could.

01:43:29.000 So we are choosing...

01:43:30.000 Does Ukraine have any troops of their own?

01:43:31.000 Would they fight back?

01:43:32.000 Yes, but we don't want this to escalate, and we don't want Russia to crack down.

01:43:35.000 So we want to basically distract Russia. 0.88

01:43:38.000 Oh, look, you have the highest medal count.

01:43:39.000 Oh, you did really well.

01:43:53.000 Wild.

01:43:54.000 Yeah.

01:43:55.000 That's wild.

01:43:56.000 Yeah.

01:43:57.000 It's just wild that that's like a humorous thing that everybody thought was outside the realm of possibility and now here we are.

01:44:04.000 Right.

01:44:07.000 Right.

01:44:07.000 Eight years later, it's actually happening.

01:44:09.000 It is happening.

01:44:10.000 And you see the drivers of this.

01:44:13.000 When we talk about the military-industrial complex, it's not just the United States, because the longer this goes on, the more NATO is strengthened.

01:44:25.000 I think two other countries, was it Finland and Sweden, have just joined NATO as a result of this.

01:44:31.000 These big arms deals are also happening with NATO. The major producers of these weapons systems are coming from the military industrial complex here.

01:44:43.000 So there are a lot of interests that are pushing to build and strengthen this whole NATO complex.

01:44:51.000 And this war is giving them a great opportunity to do it.

01:44:56.000 There should have been a very direct and full-hearted attempt to de-escalate and try to negotiate an outcome to this conflict before it started or very quickly after.

01:45:12.000 But instead, what we saw was an influx of money and weapons systems There doesn't seem to be any clear path to removing money from influence,

01:45:32.000 especially this kind of money.

01:45:34.000 When you're talking about $1.7 trillion for 2022, that's so much money.

01:45:39.000 It comes down to who we are choosing to elect, really.

01:45:42.000 Like, yeah, okay, we could, you know, yeah, Congress should pass legislation to prohibit lobbyists and PACs from giving money to members of Congress and candidates.

01:45:50.000 That's what should happen.

01:45:51.000 But it's not what's going to happen so long as these same crooks are in charge.

01:45:56.000 So where does that leave us as voters?

01:45:58.000 It leaves us with making a choice.

01:45:59.000 There are candidates from both parties right now who are running saying, hey, I'm running to serve you in Congress and I refuse to accept a single penny from a lobbyist or a corporate PAC. There are choices out there.

01:46:12.000 We need more of those choices of people who are not just saying, yeah, America first, I'll put country first, but then are going in the back door and making these shady deals.

01:46:21.000 People are actually backing up Saying, yes, I'm here to serve you and only you, the American people, and backing it up with their actions.

01:46:28.000 So moving forward, like, you know, even Trump, one of the things, like, I don't know, I believe it was with Steve Hilton.

01:46:37.000 He was having this interview, and he started talking about the military-industrial complex, about how these people want to go to war.

01:46:44.000 And you've never heard a sitting president say something like that.

01:46:50.000 And it was one of the things that I think is kind of interesting about Trump, is that he is such a loose cannon that he'll say things like that, which is no one's going to say that.

01:47:00.000 But how do you stop that influence once a person gets into office?

01:47:05.000 Because it seems like, obviously you never got into that spot, but it seems like once you get into that spot, there's so many moving pieces, and there's so much influence, and there's so much money, and there's a lot of you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours,

01:47:21.000 we're working together on this, so that we can work together on that, and we can open up the pathway for this, if you open up that.

01:47:27.000 How does that ever get resolved?

01:47:31.000 By electing a real leader who has a backbone and whose motive is to serve the country and not these interests.

01:47:37.000 You see it with the military-industrial complex.

01:47:40.000 You see it with big pharma.

01:47:42.000 You see it with big insurance.

01:47:44.000 You see it with a lot of these different—Wall Street— By electing a leader who has the backbone and courage to stand up for the American people, that's how we start to make this change.

01:47:58.000 Because then that person who's elected as president, commander-in-chief, then makes the decision of who's going to be the director of the National Security Council, who's going to be the secretary of defense, who's going to be the secretary of state.

01:48:09.000 Who's going to lead all of these federal institutions, including the national security state, law enforcement, FBI, Department of Homeland Security, making those decisions and then going down.

01:48:21.000 So it's not only those who you're pointing to those positions, but recognizing that those bureaucrats who've been there for a really long time and who are very cozy with all of these special interests actually bring about that institutional change that we need I'm not saying that this is an easy task at all.

01:48:43.000 It is a tough task, which requires a tough, strong leader to be able to do it. 0.96

01:48:47.000 That's why I ran for president, because I've lived through experiencing the cost and consequences of presidents and members of Congress who don't give a shit about the cost of war. 0.70

01:49:02.000 Not only on our military and our veterans, but on the American people and on the people in the countries where we've gone and waged these regime change wars in the name of spreading democracy and humanitarianism. 0.94

01:49:15.000 Meanwhile, we're destroying those countries and harming those people. 0.97

01:49:19.000 A leader who can actually fulfill that responsibility of Commander-in-Chief is what we need.

01:49:27.000 What insight, if any, do you have on what it must be like to take office?

01:49:34.000 Like, the day of office.

01:49:36.000 I don't know if you...

01:49:36.000 Do you know who Bill Hicks is?

01:49:38.000 Yeah.

01:49:39.000 A stand-up comic.

01:49:40.000 Yeah.

01:49:40.000 One of the greats.

01:49:41.000 And he died in, like...

01:49:45.000 I want to say like 93 or 94. He had this bit about what it's like the day you take office, that he thinks you're in a smoky room and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.

01:49:58.000 And then they stop the projector and you just go, any questions?

01:50:04.000 Yeah, what's my agenda?

01:50:06.000 Like, what do I need to do?

01:50:07.000 Like, tell me what to do.

01:50:08.000 Because this is what people think, is that once you get into office, then Because so many people had promises and campaign slogans and you go, okay, was Obama just lying?

01:50:20.000 Did he never have intentions to do those things?

01:50:23.000 Or once you get into office, do they appraise you of all the threats to the world?

01:50:28.000 Do they tell you what kind of influence the military-industrial complex really has and how impossible it is to get the barbs out of the skin of the American people?

01:50:40.000 Obviously, I have not sat in that chair.

01:50:44.000 But what I will say is if we elect a president who cares more about the title and the reelection and the power than they do about actually doing the job To serve the American people in our country,

01:51:03.000 then yeah, we will end up with a president who is easily bullied and kowtowing to these special interests, whatever they may be, told, oh, hey, look, if you make this decision that we don't like,

01:51:20.000 whether it be the military-industrial complex or big pharma, we're going to pull our support from you.

01:51:26.000 Or we're going to do this or we're going to do that.

01:51:30.000 That's not a leader.

01:51:31.000 That's a follower.

01:51:33.000 What do you think happens to you if you go against the grain?

01:51:38.000 I've experienced it to a degree.

01:51:40.000 To a degree.

01:51:41.000 But imagine a person like you.

01:51:43.000 Are you going to run as president as an independent?

01:51:48.000 The system as it sits today, that's not a viable option.

01:51:53.000 It's not a viable option because I think it was back when Ross Perot ran for president.

01:52:00.000 I think he was an independent, if I'm not mistaken.

01:52:03.000 And he was beating Bill Clinton in the polls.

01:52:08.000 You know, both parties saw that as a direct threat to themselves and got together and rigged the system to, practically speaking, shut out a third option.

01:52:20.000 Well, they shut him out, the Commission for Presidential Debates, which is a privately funded institution, which most people don't know.

01:52:26.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 Which is kind of crazy.

01:52:29.000 They changed the standards.

01:52:32.000 For the debates.

01:52:33.000 Yeah.

01:52:33.000 They did.

01:52:34.000 And then also they changed the electoral college to make it so that if you have a viable third option, basically none of the parties will get the minimum number of electoral votes through this winner-take-all system needed to actually win.

01:52:52.000 And then it goes to Congress, and then Congress will make that selection.

01:52:56.000 So the electoral college system itself also needs to be reformed to one that is proportional.

01:53:03.000 So if I were to run for president and win 60% of Texas, I would get 60% of Texas's electoral votes rather than if you win a state, you get- All of them.

01:53:13.000 All of them.

01:53:14.000 Right.

01:53:14.000 That makes sense.

01:53:16.000 When you say they changed the presidential elections and they changed the electoral college, who's they?

01:53:23.000 The leadership of both parties.

01:53:25.000 Maybe the RNC and the DNC. If we are threatened by a legitimate third party, this is how we can stop that in its tracks.

01:53:32.000 And so now, a third party is essentially almost impossible.

01:53:38.000 As of today, yes.

01:53:40.000 It would be great to live in a world where that were not the case, but when you look at the practical application of our electoral system right now, it's not a viable path.

01:53:54.000 Are you going to run for any kind of office as an independent?

01:53:59.000 I'm not running for anything now.

01:54:02.000 I am deeply, deeply concerned about this very real and imminent threat of nuclear war that no one is talking about that no one is preparing the American people for that people are kind of sitting ducks because of the decisions that our leaders have made.

01:54:23.000 If I felt that there was a way that I could Stop that and make a difference and impact that and pull us back from the brink Then yeah, I'd seriously consider running again my concern though is like We don't know what's gonna happen and you know,

01:54:45.000 we don't know if it's gonna be too late I There's no way to argue with that.

01:54:54.000 That's that As you're saying this I'm like yeah Yeah.

01:55:00.000 I mean, I wish I had a counterpoint.

01:55:02.000 Is it possible that this?

01:55:04.000 Is it?

01:55:04.000 But I don't...

01:55:05.000 This does not look good.

01:55:07.000 And I don't know how many people are even really truly aware of how close we are.

01:55:12.000 Most people aren't.

01:55:13.000 Most people aren't.

01:55:14.000 And part of it is because...

01:55:16.000 Again, the media hardly covers it, and if they do, they're talking about it as though it's like, you know, one missile system against the other.

01:55:27.000 They're talking about the waging of a nuclear war as though it can be won, or as though there's some kind of limitation to the destruction and devastation that it will cause.

01:55:41.000 You know, going back to Reagan, he talked about how a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought.

01:55:49.000 You go back to, you know, JFK recognized the serious danger and risk of a nuclear war.

01:55:54.000 We go back to these leaders in the past from both parties who saw how dangerous a nuclear war would be and therefore took action to try to reduce the numbers of nuclear weapons in the world and try to put these I think?

01:56:32.000 As we sit here today, that's the only thing that'll make a difference at this point, is people here in the United States, people in Europe, people around the world stepping up, speaking out, making sure that our voices are heard,

01:56:48.000 taking action to say no.

01:56:51.000 Absolutely not.

01:56:53.000 Our leaders need to look out for our lives, our futures, our country, this planet, and negotiate an end to this war and prevent destruction of this planet, a nuclear holocaust.

01:57:08.000 There's also these very simplistic narratives that are going out now.

01:57:12.000 Like, you have to support Ukraine.

01:57:15.000 Put a Ukraine flag in your Twitter bio.

01:57:17.000 And I see so many people doing that.

01:57:20.000 And then Russia invaded Ukraine.

01:57:23.000 So supporting Ukraine is important.

01:57:25.000 So we should send money to Ukraine. 0.83

01:57:27.000 And...

01:57:27.000 That's it.

01:57:28.000 And don't ask questions.

01:57:31.000 Don't ask how that money's being spent.

01:57:33.000 Don't question the corruption that everybody knows exists in Ukraine. 0.99

01:57:37.000 Don't question where those weapons are going.

01:57:40.000 Don't question what the actual real life ramifications are to our national security as a country.

01:57:49.000 To our future, given nuclear war is on the line, what to speak of the direct economic implications we are already feeling with, you know, gas prices hiking in many places in the country, increased inflation, you know,

01:58:05.000 supply shortages, food shortages, the U.N., The UN's food guy, I can't remember his official title, but he's already sounded a warning saying that this war is causing an unprecedented threat of global starvation.

01:58:25.000 Global starvation.

01:58:26.000 So the ramifications of this, people are just like, okay, go to war and here's more guns and here's more weapons.

01:58:33.000 And instead of actually being leaders and advocating for peace and a negotiated resolution where, yes, Ukraine's going to have to give up something.

01:58:42.000 Russia's going to have to give up something.

01:58:43.000 That's literally what happens when you negotiate an end to a war.

01:58:48.000 You can look throughout history.

01:58:49.000 Nobody walks away completely happy.

01:58:51.000 But that's what needs to happen for the sake of humanity at this point, and our leaders are failing to do so.

01:58:58.000 And so we're at a point where the future is in our hands, and what are we willing to do?

01:59:04.000 I'm going to ask you a difficult question.

01:59:06.000 What do you think is going to happen?

01:59:10.000 If we continue down this path where we have seen this war continue to escalate since the invasion happened, we will end up in World War III and a nuclear holocaust.

01:59:33.000 If nothing else changes and we continue down this path, This is where that path leads.

01:59:41.000 And it's not some far-flung possibility.

01:59:47.000 They're talking about this now.

01:59:49.000 It's very difficult for people to live in a world without nuclear war, to live in a world where you get up, your alarm clock goes off, you go to work, you drive the same way every day, to imagine the eradication of all civility, 0.50

02:00:05.000 of all the things, all of our structure in terms of All of our just everything from all of our civil liberties to all of our roads and utilities being gone.

02:00:22.000 Everything eradicated almost instantaneously.

02:00:26.000 Yes.

02:00:26.000 And living in a lawless Structure-less society where people are scrambling for food and dying of radiation poisoning if you're lucky.

02:00:36.000 If you're lucky.

02:00:37.000 Because those are the lucky ones.

02:00:38.000 Who survive.

02:00:39.000 Who survive.

02:00:40.000 Exactly.

02:00:40.000 And how long that radiation contamination lasts.

02:00:45.000 Hundreds of thousands of years.

02:00:48.000 It's an impossible scenario for people to put it in.

02:00:52.000 The radiation will last as long as homo sapiens have existed.

02:00:58.000 Which is wild.

02:01:00.000 And so we're in a position where, you know, I'm sure the billionaires of the world have their, you know, deep bunkers with food sources and water sources.

02:01:12.000 Do they even?

02:01:12.000 I gotta believe that they do.

02:01:14.000 Have you ever heard of one?

02:01:15.000 I know there are contingencies in place for our politicians at the highest levels, should this situation occur, so that they can continue to manage and wage the war from another location.

02:01:33.000 What do you make of the pipeline blowing up?

02:01:38.000 Because now people are saying that the pipeline, whoever did it, they did it intentionally.

02:01:45.000 And what do you think that's all about?

02:01:49.000 War is unpredictable.

02:01:52.000 And so that this occurred should not have been a surprise.

02:01:59.000 I don't know who did it.

02:02:00.000 I haven't seen any evidence to point in one direction or another.

02:02:06.000 You know, Russia's got the financial investment in that pipeline.

02:02:11.000 So, I don't know, somebody's done the numbers, I don't remember what they are, but how much money they lost in that, with that explosion, and that pipeline being sabotaged.

02:02:23.000 So I don't know who is responsible, but we should not be surprised that as this war escalates, that this sort of thing happens.

02:02:31.000 And it should cause everyone to wonder, okay, so this week it was a pipeline, a major energy pipeline being sabotaged, cutting off the ability for, you know, major countries in Europe as they head into winter from having that option.

02:02:50.000 Internet cables, deep undersea internet cables, GPS satellites, other necessary pieces of infrastructure, not only to the United States, but to the world.

02:03:03.000 What's next in this escalation of war?

02:03:07.000 And again, this is not just about something happening in Europe, because again, we've already seen in this past week At least on the West Coast and other parts of the country, how gas prices have gone up 50 cents, 70 cents.

02:03:20.000 They're continuing to rise.

02:03:22.000 All of these things are directly connected.

02:03:26.000 And you mentioned the loss of civil liberties.

02:03:29.000 Let's say we get to a point where World War III is sparked because of this, but a nuclear weapon has not been used.

02:03:38.000 It's absolutely a realistic outcome to imagine some kind of martial law being implemented.

02:03:47.000 We're good to go.

02:04:16.000 Yeah, I'm concerned about all that, and I'm concerned about the lack of understanding that people have about the implementation of things like a digital currency that is centralized, that's controlled by the government.

02:04:29.000 Right.

02:04:29.000 That scares the shit out of me.

02:04:30.000 Absolutely. 0.96

02:04:31.000 And Maxine Waters, who has been promoting this, said that we need this to compete with China, which is so crazy.

02:04:39.000 Yeah.

02:04:39.000 It's like saying we need communism to compete with communism.

02:04:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:04:43.000 Because that's what it is.

02:04:44.000 If you want to compete with communists, you have to be a communist.

02:04:48.000 Like what?

02:04:49.000 Digital currency that's centralized by the state is terrifying because they'll connect it to a social credit score system.

02:04:55.000 If they connect it to a social credit score system, Tulsi Gabbard, I don't like what you said on the Joe Rogan experience.

02:05:00.000 We're going to go and eliminate your ability to fly. 0.96

02:05:03.000 You can't fly.

02:05:04.000 You can't travel.

02:05:05.000 You can't buy gas anymore.

02:05:07.000 Which is what they do in China. 0.91

02:05:09.000 It's all within the realm of possibility.

02:05:11.000 And you look at that and what is the recent thing of...

02:05:14.000 I think Elizabeth Warren was pushing for credit card companies to start tracking people who buy ammunition and firearms and report that to the government. 0.99

02:05:23.000 Visa has done this.

02:05:24.000 Visa is going to change the way they categorize gun sales.

02:05:27.000 So they'll put gun sales in a different realm of regular sales.

02:05:33.000 Which is to let people know, like, hey, we're watching you.

02:05:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:05:37.000 And not just because, like, oh, well, I'm just curious.

02:05:40.000 No.

02:05:41.000 There's a regulatory follow-up action to that violation of privacy.

02:05:47.000 Do you have any good news?

02:05:48.000 Is there anything happy you talk about, Tulsi?

02:05:51.000 When you and I talk outside of this, it's always very happy.

02:05:54.000 You're a happy person.

02:05:57.000 I am a happy person.

02:05:59.000 I'm full of aloha, Joe.

02:06:01.000 That's why I'm warning people about the impending doom of where our leaders are taking us.

02:06:07.000 And really, it's that care for each other and for our planet and our future That should encourage us to be involved and to be engaged.

02:06:20.000 And as disheartening as our election systems and politics can be, we've got to know that we have to be the change.

02:06:30.000 No one else is going to come and save us.

02:06:33.000 Our founders envisioned this country as a country of, by and for the people.

02:06:39.000 Many in our government have forgotten that, unfortunately.

02:06:43.000 They're not going to wake up one day and magically remember.

02:06:48.000 It's up to us to bring about that change and the system that our founders set up for us.

02:06:53.000 It has its flaws.

02:06:54.000 We've got a lot of work to do on it.

02:06:59.000 You know, lobbyists and PAC money infecting or corrupting our politics, you know, election integrity, making sure that, you know, people are actually trusting the system and that their votes will be counted as they were cast.

02:07:12.000 So there's work to do, but these changes can only come about when we are all informed and engaged in the process.

02:07:24.000 So one piece of news.

02:07:26.000 Last time I came on your show, I talked about launching a podcast.

02:07:29.000 I'm finally doing it.

02:07:31.000 Specifically to be able to really, you know, I'll go and do different interviews.

02:07:36.000 They're like four to five minutes long.

02:07:38.000 I have like, okay, cool.

02:07:39.000 I can say four sentences in that period of time.

02:07:42.000 But to actually take a deep dive into examining like, hey, here are the challenges that we're facing.

02:07:49.000 Here's how we identify what the problem is and the cause and here are some of the things that we need to be able to do to solve these problems.

02:07:57.000 Yeah, that's the reality of conversations.

02:08:00.000 And, you know, I think it took until podcasts existed where people realized the value of talking about one particular subject for over an hour.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 Like when we were talking about gender identity and the craziness of woke culture.

02:08:16.000 Like that's...

02:08:17.000 Uninterrupted.

02:08:18.000 It keeps going on and on.

02:08:19.000 You could never do that on a network television show.

02:08:22.000 You'd get interrupted by a commercial.

02:08:24.000 We'll be right back.

02:08:25.000 And the audience claps.

02:08:26.000 This is madness.

02:08:27.000 You can't have a nuanced, important conversation about a subject that is very complex quickly.

02:08:35.000 Exactly.

02:08:36.000 You can't do it quickly.

02:08:37.000 And really when you think about it, all of these different things, you might see a headline here, a sound bite there, there's always so much more to it.

02:08:46.000 And looking at different people's views and actually encouraging those conversations and helping people just to understand each other as people.

02:08:59.000 The good news is people recognize that.

02:09:01.000 And that's one of the reasons why podcasts are so huge.

02:09:05.000 The numbers that we get off of this conversation will be so much bigger than any other conversation that you can have anywhere else, which is weird.

02:09:14.000 Right?

02:09:15.000 But that's why.

02:09:16.000 It's because people recognize like, hey, this is not, it's not satisfying to watch these five minute chunks on CNN where people talking over each other with three different screens, you know, three different boxes on the screen and everybody's yelling over each other, alright, well thank you for your input, bye!

02:09:31.000 Click.

02:09:32.000 We solved nothing.

02:09:33.000 You don't learn anything.

02:09:34.000 No insight gained.

02:09:35.000 See ya.

02:09:36.000 Bye-bye.

02:09:36.000 And here's Pfizer.

02:09:38.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

02:09:40.000 It's like, this is wild.

02:09:41.000 This is a dystopian Mike Judge movie.

02:09:44.000 Yeah.

02:09:44.000 And it's not an accident that you never hear people on those channels saying, hey, you should be careful about what Pfizer is telling you because of the drugs or the vaccines or whatever it is they're trying to sell you and then cut to the Pfizer commercial.

02:09:59.000 It's not an accident that, you know...

02:10:01.000 75% of all television advertisement is pharmaceutical companies, which is insane.

02:10:06.000 It is absolutely insane.

02:10:07.000 And we are one of two countries on earth that allows that.

02:10:10.000 The other one is New Zealand, and New Zealand is much more strict than us.

02:10:13.000 Yeah.

02:10:14.000 And I mean, this is a huge other topic.

02:10:17.000 I know you've talked about it a lot before, too, is like people talk about healthcare reform in America, but most people who talk about it aren't identifying The root cause of the problem, which is our entire system incentivizes sickness and obesity and people being unhealthy.

02:10:36.000 Our system is built around that.

02:10:38.000 It does not incentivize health and wellness and nutrition and prevention and fitness.

02:10:45.000 And again, I mean, who's making the money here?

02:10:49.000 Yeah, prevention is the big word.

02:10:50.000 And, you know, the problem is these corporations are always trying to make more money every year.

02:10:56.000 And if they go around telling you, hey, you know, we'd make less money, but you'd be happier if you stop eating sugar and garbage and start exercising every day.

02:11:05.000 Right.

02:11:06.000 There's no incentive.

02:11:07.000 It blew my mind during the COVID pandemic era that Jen Psaki at the White House refused. 0.96

02:11:14.000 She refused to say that, hey, nutrition and being healthy could actually help you if you get COVID, that the symptoms might not be so bad.

02:11:27.000 Did she refuse like she was encouraged to say?

02:11:29.000 Somebody was asked.

02:11:30.000 Somebody asked her a direct question.

02:11:33.000 And I think this was censored around, I think the CDC was saying that people who are obese are more likely to have severe health consequences if they catch COVID-19.

02:11:46.000 And so the reporter asked, and I don't know, I don't remember which outlet it came from, but the reporter said, so are you the White House therefore then advocating for nutrition and health in order to try to prevent that?

02:11:59.000 And she just said, we take all of our guidance from the CDC and the CDC says get vaccinated. 0.73

02:12:07.000 She couldn't even just say, well, yeah, of course, try to be healthy.

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:11.000 Well, she's a propagandist. 1.00

02:12:13.000 I mean, that's that job.

02:12:14.000 You're the propaganda arm.

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:16.000 But it's stuff like that, right?

02:12:18.000 It's stuff like that that people see that and be like, what's wrong with you?

02:12:21.000 Like, are you a robot?

02:12:22.000 Right.

02:12:22.000 Why can't you say the thing that's obvious to everyone?

02:12:26.000 Well, if they really cared, they would tell people supplement with vitamin D. Yeah.

02:12:29.000 That would have been one of the first things to say.

02:12:31.000 It's cheap.

02:12:31.000 It's not hard to do.

02:12:33.000 Yeah.

02:12:33.000 We have plenty of it.

02:12:34.000 Let's go.

02:12:35.000 And we know, statistically, that people are radically deficient in this country.

02:12:40.000 Yeah.

02:12:40.000 And lose weight.

02:12:41.000 It's not hard to lose weight.

02:12:42.000 In fact, it's cheap.

02:12:43.000 Eat less food.

02:12:45.000 It costs less money.

02:12:47.000 Eat healthier food.

02:12:47.000 Eat real food.

02:12:48.000 Yeah.

02:12:49.000 I mean, the percentage of people in this country that eat fast food primarily on a daily basis is crazy.

02:12:56.000 And that we've done nothing to, especially for lower income people, to make real healthy food available to them easily and readily.

02:13:03.000 And this goes back to that information where these norms have been created.

02:13:08.000 And I've had conversations with different people recently.

02:13:13.000 Somebody who was telling me about his experience, like they were overseas and deployed and it was somebody's birthday and like one of the guys knew how to cook and he made this amazing orange cake.

02:13:25.000 He actually went to the market and got oranges and made this cake from scratch, like not even from a box.

02:13:31.000 And it was better than a cake from Walmart. 0.98

02:13:33.000 And in my mind, I'm like, holy crap. 0.90

02:13:35.000 Like, why is it abnormal to make a cake from scratch where you put the flour and you put the sugar and you put the oil or whatever. 0.95

02:13:44.000 It doesn't come from a box.

02:13:46.000 That's why we're so crazy that things with preservatives that come from the store are normal.

02:13:52.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 And things that you just make out of actual food are not, even when it comes to something like cake, which is not even good for you anyway.

02:13:58.000 Exactly.

02:14:00.000 Same thing as this other woman I was talking to, and she's like gluten intolerant, newly gluten intolerant, or diagnosed with celiac.

02:14:08.000 She's like, yeah, I'm really having a hard time.

02:14:10.000 You know, there are certain foods I can't eat and I'm trying to cook for my family and this and that.

02:14:14.000 I was like, oh, I got a great gravy recipe because she'd be like, I can't eat gravy.

02:14:18.000 I was like, no, you can make gravy, but use garbanzo flour instead of regular flour.

02:14:23.000 And you use this and you add this and you add that.

02:14:25.000 And she's like, You make gravy from scratch? 0.99

02:14:28.000 Oh my god!

02:14:30.000 It's like, oh, my heart hurts!

02:14:32.000 It's crazy, right?

02:14:33.000 Yeah.

02:14:34.000 It's very bizarre.

02:14:35.000 It's kind of a sad picture of where we are. 0.99

02:14:38.000 Well, that shit's all going to change if everything goes south. 0.98

02:14:41.000 You're going to have to learn how to figure out how to get food. 0.99

02:14:44.000 Yeah.

02:14:45.000 And it's not good.

02:14:46.000 No.

02:14:47.000 I mean, there's so many apocalyptic movies and television shows out now, too.

02:14:52.000 It's in the back of our head that this could all go away at any moment.

02:14:58.000 The dystopian landscape, the destroyed buildings in the background, the gray skies.

02:15:06.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 I think the fact that politicians in the media are not talking about it should be a major red flag and a warning to everybody.

02:15:20.000 There's a reason why they refuse to talk about it.

02:15:23.000 And so it's up to us to learn about it and to use our voices to get them to do the right thing.

02:15:31.000 I think they're terrified that if they do talk about it, that it makes all these decisions and opinions very unpopular, and that people are going to be scared about it.

02:15:38.000 Yes.

02:15:39.000 So instead, they'll just have them talk about, you know, real simple, the border's leaking.

02:15:44.000 Oh, look at the border.

02:15:45.000 There's like all these different things that they could talk about.

02:15:47.000 If that.

02:15:47.000 Right.

02:15:48.000 If that.

02:15:49.000 Well, it's always the Republicans that are talking about that.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 But that's because they're not in power.

02:15:53.000 Yeah.

02:15:54.000 And if they were in power, it would be the Democrats that were talking about it, and they'd find some reason why they're wrong.

02:15:59.000 Right.

02:15:59.000 Exactly.

02:16:00.000 Which is because it's just a political game of football versus people that are actually trying to change things for the better to make the country a healthier, happier place to be.

02:16:09.000 Yeah.

02:16:10.000 That's the key.

02:16:12.000 Tulsi, you're awesome.

02:16:13.000 Thank you.

02:16:13.000 I always appreciate talking to you.

02:16:14.000 It's great to see you.

02:16:15.000 Even though you depressed the shit out of me today and scared me to no end, you're awesome and I appreciate you very much.

02:16:22.000 Thank you.

02:16:23.000 I appreciate you, Joe.

02:16:24.000 All right.

02:16:24.000 I'll talk soon.

02:16:25.000 Bye, everybody.

02:16:26.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 11, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1880 - Tulsi Gabbard

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