The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1882 - Iliza Shlesinger

00:00:13.000 This room and office have gotten more and more Texas.

00:00:16.000 Has it?

00:00:16.000 Yes.

00:00:17.000 How so?

00:00:17.000 Well, I thought that was a jackalope, but it's not.

00:00:19.000 It's probably...

00:00:20.000 It's a mule deer.

00:00:21.000 ...that you ran down yourself and strangled. 0.55

00:00:26.000 I thought it was a jackalope, which is a very Texas thing.

00:00:28.000 But it's, you know, you've got the Mexican sugar skulls, and then you've got a lot of... 1.00

00:00:35.000 Do you have a picture of Willie Nelson somewhere?

00:00:37.000 No.

00:00:37.000 Okay.

00:00:38.000 He probably should.

00:00:40.000 You need to.

00:00:40.000 I'm sure he owned this land at some point.

00:00:42.000 You've got, like, the...

00:00:43.000 It's that very desert, conspiracy, alien, rugged...

00:00:46.000 It's like a convergence of a lot of Texas things.

00:00:49.000 Hmm.

00:00:50.000 And it's very tight.

00:00:51.000 I'm from here.

00:00:52.000 I get it.

00:00:52.000 Even the Joe Rogan Experience sign looks like a movie theater gas station marquee.

00:00:56.000 Yeah, that was actually a gift by a friend of mine.

00:00:59.000 I believe it.

00:01:00.000 And so when he gave it to me, I was like, that would be perfect right behind me.

00:01:03.000 Right behind you.

00:01:04.000 So people know what they're looking at.

00:01:07.000 Yeah.

00:01:07.000 Plus, it's cool.

00:01:08.000 It's the Joe Rogan Experience, baby.

00:01:10.000 What's going on with you?

00:01:11.000 How you living?

00:01:12.000 Large.

00:01:13.000 Large, but toned.

00:01:15.000 Toned.

00:01:16.000 Living toned.

00:01:18.000 That's the girl answer.

00:01:19.000 Like, large, not taking up too much space, but I'm owning it.

00:01:22.000 Yeah, girls don't want to live large, right? 1.00

00:01:24.000 You don't want to say large.

00:01:25.000 Unless you're like, yeah, that's the frame.

00:01:27.000 You want to be taking up metaphysical space, but also toned.

00:01:31.000 Unless it's big girl summer.

00:01:33.000 Yo.

00:01:34.000 I'm all for a big girl summer.

00:01:36.000 I'm all for a gross girl summer. 0.98

00:01:38.000 I'm all for...

00:01:39.000 No one actually cares.

00:01:40.000 Gross girl summer? 0.98

00:01:41.000 No one's actually tried that, have they?

00:01:43.000 I don't think you have to try...

00:01:44.000 I think you just are gross girl. 1.00

00:01:45.000 Right.

00:01:45.000 And you just don't bring it up.

00:01:47.000 Don't bring it up.

00:01:48.000 And just exist in your cave and be like, I'm just gross girl enjoying my cheese.

00:01:53.000 So your book's out?

00:01:55.000 My book, which I gave you a copy of.

00:01:57.000 Yeah.

00:01:57.000 You leave it in the bathroom?

00:01:58.000 No, no.

00:01:59.000 It's on the bookshelf out there.

00:02:01.000 My book, All Things Aside, Absolutely Correct Opinions, Collection of Personal Essays, is out on October 11th, the same day as my Netflix special, Hot Forever.

00:02:11.000 Excited?

00:02:12.000 I'm pumped.

00:02:13.000 Yeah?

00:02:13.000 Like many comics, I flew here to do this and then booked a bunch of stuff around it.

00:02:18.000 Thanks for the bracelets.

00:02:19.000 Thank you.

00:02:21.000 I'm surprised they fit.

00:02:22.000 They do.

00:02:23.000 They're stringy.

00:02:24.000 They are stringy.

00:02:24.000 They have elastic.

00:02:26.000 But like I said, I think of putting a bracelet on you like a really vascular wolf.

00:02:31.000 And I thought the beads would just go everywhere.

00:02:34.000 So give them to your daughters when you're done stretching out. 0.89

00:02:36.000 I will.

00:02:37.000 I'll give them to them.

00:02:38.000 They'll be mad that I wore it.

00:02:39.000 Yeah, because you've got like gross dad juices on it.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, it smells like a man.

00:02:43.000 The worst is, I will say, now that I'm a mother, my husband is a father, I've noticed the bites he takes of my food when I share with him are like big dad bites.

00:02:53.000 Like nothing will infuriate a little girl more than when your dad takes a bite of your food and it's like a moose hunk out of it.

00:03:00.000 And you're like, it was just for a little bite because dads have big jaws.

00:03:03.000 So he takes food from you?

00:03:04.000 How is this going on?

00:03:05.000 I'll just be like, oh, do you want to try it?

00:03:07.000 He'll be like, okay.

00:03:07.000 And it will be like out of a peach and it'll be like a fucking horse bite.

00:03:10.000 And I'm like, okay, well that was half the meal.

00:03:12.000 Well, he's a chef, so he probably really enjoys food.

00:03:16.000 So it's normal.

00:03:18.000 Well, I don't know.

00:03:20.000 I'm like, just do a deer lick.

00:03:21.000 It doesn't have to be this Jurassic chomp.

00:03:24.000 Taking half of it.

00:03:25.000 And I remember growing up, if my dad took a bite of my ice cream, it was like full camel lips over the whole thing and just lifted up.

00:03:32.000 You'll see.

00:03:33.000 Your kids get upset when you take a big bite of their food.

00:03:36.000 I don't take their food.

00:03:37.000 What?

00:03:38.000 Okay, taking samples.

00:03:39.000 I don't take bites of their food.

00:03:40.000 Oh, really?

00:03:41.000 No.

00:03:41.000 Unless they offer.

00:03:42.000 They offer me something, I'll take it.

00:03:44.000 I feel like you don't eat sugar.

00:03:45.000 I eat a little bit of sugar every now and then.

00:03:47.000 Is it protein ice cream?

00:03:50.000 I like treats.

00:03:52.000 It's good.

00:03:53.000 What kind of treat does Joe Rogan eat?

00:03:55.000 I like ice cream.

00:03:56.000 But you like a dark chocolate.

00:03:58.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 You like the least fun version.

00:04:01.000 No, dark chocolate's fun.

00:04:03.000 That's spoken like an anorexic woman. 1.00

00:04:05.000 With hot fudge and whipped cream on it.

00:04:07.000 So you actually like the flavor of dark chocolate.

00:04:09.000 You like bitterness.

00:04:10.000 I like a little bitterness.

00:04:11.000 You should just lick a stick. 1.00

00:04:12.000 I like dark chocolate mixed with peanut butter.

00:04:14.000 That's what I like.

00:04:15.000 I like to take a bar of dark chocolate.

00:04:17.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 You know, like that fucking 80% cacao chocolate.

00:04:20.000 Just dip it into peanut butter.

00:04:22.000 It reminds me of...

00:04:24.000 I don't want to...

00:04:25.000 This is the only way I can shit on this because I think he's great.

00:04:29.000 When you look at The Rock's Instagram, I have to say this publicly because I respect this person so much.

00:04:35.000 His cheat day meals really bother me.

00:04:38.000 They're insane.

00:04:39.000 They're insane, but they're not indulgent.

00:04:42.000 I'm sorry.

00:04:42.000 It'll be like...

00:04:43.000 Boy, it has like giant pancakes and cookies.

00:04:45.000 They don't look like regular pancakes.

00:04:48.000 They don't?

00:04:48.000 It's never like buttermilk whipped cream.

00:04:50.000 It's like protein coconut pineapple with like flavonoid...

00:04:55.000 Peanut butter and then Taramana tequila.

00:04:58.000 Like, it's never, like, the full indulgence.

00:05:00.000 And turkey bacon.

00:05:01.000 That's an indulgence?

00:05:02.000 He has turkey bacon?

00:05:03.000 Lots of it.

00:05:04.000 I'm just, like, let loose.

00:05:06.000 Like, where's that block of cheese?

00:05:07.000 And, like, an IV of chili.

00:05:09.000 Well, he'll have, like, a giant tray of sushi.

00:05:12.000 But it's garbage.

00:05:14.000 Dwayne, you have millions of dollars.

00:05:15.000 Like, it's Costco sushi.

00:05:17.000 Really?

00:05:17.000 It just doesn't look.

00:05:18.000 It's like a rainbow roll.

00:05:20.000 And, like, you can afford the best sushi.

00:05:22.000 Eat that.

00:05:22.000 That's what he likes?

00:05:23.000 No.

00:05:24.000 No?

00:05:25.000 He doesn't like it?

00:05:26.000 Something's up there.

00:05:27.000 You think?

00:05:28.000 As a wish fulfillment, when I look at that, I want to see full indulgence, not protein-powered, plant-based peanut butter.

00:05:38.000 I don't think that's what he does.

00:05:39.000 Go to his Instagram.

00:05:40.000 I'm waiting with his most recent one.

00:05:42.000 It's in a video, so he's getting until he's talking.

00:05:45.000 What does he got there?

00:05:45.000 He does have turkey bacon.

00:05:46.000 Okay, is this fun for you?

00:05:47.000 Turkey bacon's bullshit.

00:05:48.000 Here's a whole family of chickens, a wheat-free corn muffin.

00:05:52.000 That's a cheat meal?

00:05:52.000 That's what I'm saying!

00:05:52.000 What is that?

00:05:53.000 This is no fun!

00:05:55.000 Yeah, turkey bacon is definitely not fun.

00:05:57.000 I don't understand.

00:05:58.000 But, you know, I mean, that's a guy that literally makes his living off of being lean.

00:06:02.000 I hear that, but I'm saying, if you go to the top, I know this went recently because this is something that I bond with my old assistant over is looking at his cheat meals.

00:06:09.000 I think it's all the way at the top, or, you know, I don't know where it is now.

00:06:13.000 It's these pancakes that just don't look right.

00:06:16.000 Dwayne The Rock Johnson, I'm calling you out.

00:06:20.000 They got like peanut butter and it's like coconut.

00:06:23.000 Coconut to me is one of those like sugar substitute kind of things.

00:06:26.000 That's what we got here.

00:06:28.000 Look at this.

00:06:28.000 That looks good.

00:06:29.000 Coconut banana pancake smother with peanut butter blessed with maple syrup.

00:06:32.000 That's fucking pretty indulgent.

00:06:34.000 I don't know.

00:06:35.000 Something about it.

00:06:36.000 Because the peanut butter, you could be like, that's my protein.

00:06:39.000 Something about it.

00:06:40.000 I don't know.

00:06:40.000 He likes peanut butter.

00:06:41.000 Maybe it's just in your head.

00:06:42.000 Maybe you need to let it go.

00:06:44.000 You trying to gaslight me?

00:06:45.000 I'm trying to food shame this man.

00:06:46.000 You trying to gaslight me?

00:06:48.000 I don't think it's food shame.

00:06:48.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:06:50.000 I'm just trying to see your perspective, but it doesn't...

00:06:53.000 I'm not seeing the full caloric blast.

00:06:56.000 I'm seeing...

00:06:56.000 I'm just...

00:06:57.000 I'm wanting to see...

00:06:58.000 That looks pretty fucking caloric.

00:06:59.000 A full back of bacon.

00:07:00.000 I'm wanting to see heavy whipped cream.

00:07:02.000 Look at all that maple syrup.

00:07:03.000 Fruit compote.

00:07:04.000 You don't see that bottle.

00:07:06.000 You don't know what that is.

00:07:07.000 That could be Elmer's glue and he doesn't eat it.

00:07:08.000 You think it's like some sugar-free maple syrup?

00:07:11.000 Is that what you're thinking?

00:07:11.000 I think those are keto pancakes, sugar-free agave tinted nectar, and creatine powder mixed in with nuts.

00:07:18.000 I don't think so.

00:07:19.000 Looks like regular pancakes.

00:07:20.000 No way.

00:07:21.000 Too chunky.

00:07:22.000 Something's going on.

00:07:23.000 Yeah?

00:07:23.000 Something's going on, Joe.

00:07:24.000 I don't know.

00:07:25.000 Looks normal to me.

00:07:26.000 Okay.

00:07:28.000 I'm a pancake guy.

00:07:29.000 Well, thanks for having me.

00:07:30.000 I like it.

00:07:32.000 Well, there you go.

00:07:32.000 In-N-Out burgers, fries, double-doubles with tequila.

00:07:36.000 That looks good.

00:07:37.000 It's a different meal.

00:07:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:38.000 That's solid, right?

00:07:39.000 You want to go full indulgence, you get those fries animal style.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the animals.

00:07:45.000 You not either, Jamie?

00:07:46.000 Do you want to know the dirty secret about In-N-Out?

00:07:49.000 Okay.

00:07:49.000 It's this, like, iconic L.A. thing.

00:07:51.000 You live there.

00:07:52.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 There's actually only, like, three of them, and you can't go because the line is so long.

00:07:57.000 So in your L.A. career, you will have eaten there maybe a little bit at the beginning, but you can't be bothered to wait in line with, like, the 4,000 teenagers in front of that high school where the one is on orange to, like, get your burger.

00:08:10.000 I don't know about that.

00:08:11.000 I would go to LA. I mean, I went to the one in Woodland Hills like once a week.

00:08:15.000 Yeah, that's Woodland Hills.

00:08:16.000 That's not the same density.

00:08:18.000 Yeah, but I was like a valley guy.

00:08:19.000 I never really lived in the city.

00:08:21.000 Talking about LA, I'm talking about Hollywood proper.

00:08:23.000 I think Hollywood proper is bad for you.

00:08:25.000 It is.

00:08:25.000 There's too many people.

00:08:26.000 That's what I'm saying, so you can't get the in and out.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, but you can.

00:08:29.000 Just gotta time it right.

00:08:30.000 You just fly in your helicopter, you land on the roof, and you get your double-double.

00:08:35.000 They're pretty efficient in moving that line. 0.53

00:08:37.000 There's that one that's near the 101, the one near Hollywood.

00:08:40.000 I would always hit that one on the way home from the store.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, I don't live in Woodland Hills, so my experience is a much more congested one.

00:08:50.000 I don't leave the house between the hours of like 7 and 10 or like 3.30 until Christmas next year.

00:08:57.000 Because there's too many humans.

00:08:58.000 It's just too much.

00:08:59.000 It's just too many people who don't understand urban etiquette.

00:09:02.000 Too many people who don't.

00:09:03.000 It's just too much.

00:09:04.000 It's too congested.

00:09:05.000 What's urban etiquette?

00:09:06.000 When you grow up in a city knowing like green means go, red means stop, yellow is maybe you go, adhering to the like civic laws versus like I'll just put my head down, open up Candy Crush and put my foot on the gas and just go.

00:09:20.000 People are just they're just walking whenever going whenever.

00:09:23.000 Well, there's just too many humans in LA and you lose value.

00:09:28.000 Like people become a nuisance rather than like your community.

00:09:35.000 You know, it's like there's too many of them.

00:09:38.000 I think you have to carve out your community and you spend a lot of time and effort to find your little chunk of a hovel of a community.

00:09:47.000 And I used to joke that everyone says LA has too many people and I thought LA actually has the perfect amount of people because half of them moved to Austin and then a bunch of people died in the pandemic.

00:09:56.000 And the rest are intense.

00:09:58.000 Intense, yeah.

00:10:00.000 It's a lot.

00:10:01.000 It's just everybody has a car.

00:10:02.000 We don't have a great public transit.

00:10:05.000 It's not like New York where everyone takes a public transit.

00:10:07.000 Right.

00:10:08.000 No, it's terrible.

00:10:09.000 So when people complain about traffic in Austin, I'm like, this is a picnic.

00:10:12.000 No.

00:10:13.000 People that complain about traffic in Austin were born here.

00:10:16.000 They don't understand what traffic is.

00:10:18.000 I've seen battle.

00:10:19.000 Traffic here's a joke.

00:10:21.000 I'll leave here at 5 o'clock and drive home easy.

00:10:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:24.000 It's nothing.

00:10:25.000 It's great.

00:10:26.000 I was in the Uber yesterday.

00:10:27.000 He's like, I apologize for the traffic.

00:10:29.000 I'm like, I literally haven't...

00:10:31.000 I didn't even...

00:10:31.000 It doesn't faze me.

00:10:32.000 It's all relative, though.

00:10:33.000 That's why people get used to LA's traffic.

00:10:35.000 The worst is Orange County people.

00:10:37.000 That's a fucking nightmare.

00:10:38.000 Trying to get to Orange County and then try to get out of Orange County and get to LA. That's a joke.

00:10:42.000 Especially as a comic, it's such a specific grind because, like, if you were going to play the Irvine Improv just for a quick gig, you have to leave at, like, one in the afternoon.

00:10:52.000 It's not technically a long drive.

00:10:55.000 And then somehow, over the decade, in the 17 years I've been doing comedy, The Five is always under construction.

00:11:02.000 You cannot get home from Orange.

00:11:03.000 And kudos to them for working on it at night, not being like, let's just post up during work hours while everyone's driving.

00:11:09.000 You cannot.

00:11:11.000 They put you on some weird freeway that involves like a conveyor belt and a subterranean mule car.

00:11:16.000 Like you cannot get home straight shot.

00:11:19.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 Some people are so mad in Orange County.

00:11:22.000 They're like, how could she say that?

00:11:24.000 Do you think you'll be in L.A. the rest of your life?

00:11:26.000 No.

00:11:27.000 No?

00:11:27.000 Where are you going to go?

00:11:28.000 I think about that.

00:11:29.000 I was actually just talking to another comic who said they applied for Canadian citizenship as an exit strategy.

00:11:35.000 Jesus Christ.

00:11:37.000 Who the fuck is that?

00:11:38.000 I'm not going to say it, just in case for some reason it was a secret, now that I'm thinking it.

00:11:42.000 I'm not going to say it.

00:11:44.000 I don't know.

00:11:47.000 So everybody – first of all, it's always the threat like, I'm moving out of here.

00:11:50.000 I'm torn between my duty as an American to stay and make this a better place, right?

00:11:55.000 Stay and fight for what you believe and try and register people to vote, things like that.

00:11:59.000 And I spent a month in Europe doing shows in October.

00:12:03.000 And the first two weeks, I was like, these people get it.

00:12:06.000 They understand relaxing.

00:12:08.000 They understand the value of life.

00:12:09.000 This is beautiful.

00:12:11.000 And by that third week, I was like, give me my fucking check.

00:12:14.000 I cannot die in this cafe.

00:12:16.000 Like, why is there no CVS? Why can I not buy NyQuil?

00:12:19.000 I think I'm too programmed as an American to have everything when I need it and pay for the things that I need.

00:12:26.000 Like, my husband got really sick, and we had to go to emergency room in Sweden.

00:12:31.000 And they just left him there in a room for like five hours.

00:12:34.000 And part of me was like, you're doing this because he's American.

00:12:37.000 But then I was like, can we call a doctor?

00:12:39.000 I'll pay for a doctor, as you would if you were sick.

00:12:42.000 You'd have someone come.

00:12:43.000 This is not, we do not do this.

00:12:45.000 Socialized medicine.

00:12:46.000 But someone, I was like, what if a celebrity comes here and they need something, and they're only running, like we had John Cleese, and he came, and he just waited.

00:12:55.000 So that was a question you asked, if a celebrity came?

00:12:58.000 Seriously, what if somebody who...

00:13:00.000 Let's say Beyonce comes and she needs a steroid shot. 1.00

00:13:04.000 Not that I'm at Beyonce's level, but here I am as an American.

00:13:07.000 I'm like, I'm willing to pay for something extra because he's sick, I'm pregnant, so I can't catch what he has.

00:13:12.000 How can we speed this up?

00:13:14.000 I have a show.

00:13:15.000 And they were like, he can just rot in this box.

00:13:18.000 And I would still move to Sweden.

00:13:19.000 I really love the people.

00:13:21.000 But I was, as an American that's used to being able to get what you need when you need it, that was a tough one.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, I think the difference is, like, poor people in America probably have that experience, too.

00:13:31.000 Of course, people are going to DM this to me.

00:13:34.000 They're going to be like, you're a fucking bitch. 1.00

00:13:35.000 I know.

00:13:36.000 I know we're teed up for that.

00:13:37.000 But you could, if you had the resources and you could not make an appointment, you can call a doctor.

00:13:43.000 I'm sure you've done it.

00:13:44.000 And so I was looking out for the, you know, Texas, you'll appreciate this.

00:13:48.000 I was looking out for the life of my fetus.

00:13:50.000 And I was just like, how do we get him some medicine so that he's not getting even sicker?

00:13:54.000 He was sick for like two full weeks.

00:13:56.000 Were you over there touring?

00:13:57.000 Mm-hmm.

00:13:57.000 What were the shows like?

00:13:58.000 Lit.

00:13:59.000 Yeah?

00:13:59.000 The crowds were so good.

00:14:01.000 I did Portugal.

00:14:02.000 I did Sweden.

00:14:04.000 I did Norway.

00:14:05.000 And just one more thing.

00:14:06.000 They don't have medicine the way that we do here.

00:14:09.000 They don't give out drugs the way that we do.

00:14:12.000 There was no NyQuil.

00:14:14.000 They don't give out strong pharmaceutical drugs like we do.

00:14:18.000 And so he couldn't take the things that he normally would take.

00:14:22.000 And that was an interesting experience.

00:14:24.000 So what do they give you?

00:14:25.000 Some like Swedish sleeping pills.

00:14:27.000 I don't remember what they gave him.

00:14:29.000 Everything, you know, they don't, we always, our pharmaceuticals are just like built into our everyday lives.

00:14:35.000 Like I, as a pregnant woman, went without any heartburn medicine.

00:14:38.000 And I had to find like some special heartburn thing there because they don't have Tums and it just like sticks in your teeth.

00:14:44.000 And you're just like, I hope this works.

00:14:45.000 And it did.

00:14:45.000 What causes heartburn?

00:14:47.000 What are you getting heartburn from?

00:14:48.000 Like acid reflux?

00:14:49.000 When you're pregnant, the baby, everything's squished in.

00:14:53.000 So your food sits, like you can't eat and then lay down.

00:14:56.000 So it just kind of builds up.

00:14:57.000 And so I get heartburn normally and I would just get it worse.

00:15:01.000 So I was just chewing on these tablets.

00:15:03.000 I'm blanking on what they were called.

00:15:05.000 And they had them all over Europe.

00:15:06.000 What the fuck is in those tablets?

00:15:08.000 What's in a Tums?

00:15:09.000 I'll tell you what, I don't know, but my baby was born with like a grown man's head of hair.

00:15:14.000 Really?

00:15:15.000 Like a full head of hair and like already has like six teeth and she's eight months old.

00:15:20.000 Wow.

00:15:20.000 So it was those European heartburn tablets.

00:15:23.000 Extra calcium baby.

00:15:24.000 So like if you get heartburn in America, is it diet related?

00:15:29.000 Is it stress related?

00:15:31.000 Like what gives you heartburn?

00:15:32.000 You don't have heartburn ever?

00:15:33.000 No.

00:15:34.000 I guess I don't have it as much now.

00:15:35.000 I think a lot of things can.

00:15:36.000 I think for some people it is genetic.

00:15:39.000 What's it feel like?

00:15:40.000 It feels like there's something burning coming up your throat.

00:15:44.000 That happens all the time with you?

00:15:46.000 When I was pregnant, I got it a lot.

00:15:48.000 Do you get it before you were pregnant?

00:15:50.000 Did you get it?

00:15:51.000 There was a time where I got it a lot, and I can't tell you why, and I'm not positive why I don't get it as much now.

00:15:57.000 Obviously, if you eat acidic foods like tomato sauce, any sort of nightshade, like an eggplant, maybe that'll do it.

00:16:04.000 Really?

00:16:04.000 Heavy, greasy food, it can do it.

00:16:06.000 Some people have it so bad, it can lead to esophageal cancer if it is a chronic thing.

00:16:11.000 Wow, so the irritation is constant and then it causes cancer?

00:16:16.000 For some people, it can lead to that, like that constant corrosion of that.

00:16:20.000 I mean, I used to get it super bad, and I also had an ENT on speed dial just because I toured so much.

00:16:26.000 So I think that's where I had like a textual relationship with my doctor.

00:16:30.000 Because if you have got a gig, you've got multiple shows, you lose your voice, and you need a steroid shot.

00:16:35.000 So I guess that's what I mean when I talk about having someone.

00:16:38.000 Do you get those?

00:16:39.000 I have.

00:16:39.000 Really?

00:16:40.000 Oh my God.

00:16:41.000 I mean...

00:16:41.000 Like a cortisone shot or something?

00:16:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:16:43.000 And where do they put it?

00:16:44.000 In your neck?

00:16:45.000 Right in my tongue.

00:16:46.000 No, in your arm and your butt. 0.95

00:16:49.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:50.000 And it's a steroid shot, so you can't do more than a couple a year.

00:16:53.000 They're not good for you because it just speeds everything up.

00:16:56.000 But for the first day, you're just like, let's go!

00:16:59.000 It's like rocket fuel.

00:17:01.000 And then you're taking it.

00:17:02.000 It depends on if it's a Z-Pak or whatever. 1.00

00:17:04.000 But I've definitely had shows where I cannot miss it.

00:17:07.000 And my voice sounds like this.

00:17:09.000 And you gotta get that shot and then just like grab your throat and pray.

00:17:13.000 And so that's a normal thing for you?

00:17:14.000 Not now.

00:17:15.000 For some reason, I think maybe I just learned to speak better on stage.

00:17:19.000 I do less goblin-y voices.

00:17:21.000 I take better care of myself now that I'm elderly and a mother.

00:17:28.000 And I definitely don't...

00:17:30.000 I never drank before I went on stage.

00:17:31.000 Not my thing.

00:17:32.000 But I definitely...

00:17:33.000 You guys are talking about Sober October.

00:17:35.000 I don't think I drink enough in the first place to even qualify participating.

00:17:39.000 Burt sure does.

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.000 Yeah, Burt goes hard.

00:17:43.000 We started Sober October really kind of to intervene with Burt's lifestyle.

00:17:49.000 Just trying to see if we could just like at least one month a year.

00:17:51.000 He could do it.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, he does it.

00:17:53.000 Yeah.

00:17:53.000 We've done it like four or five years in a row.

00:17:55.000 Don't they do like weight loss challenges?

00:17:57.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, it's like...

00:17:59.000 It's all a part of the thing.

00:18:00.000 Gain the weight and then lose it and the drinking.

00:18:03.000 But it's part of the image, too.

00:18:05.000 Like, what do you do when something is so part of your ethos and everything?

00:18:10.000 Right.

00:18:10.000 I think a lot of...

00:18:11.000 Like, I remember...

00:18:12.000 I'm not going to say the comic.

00:18:13.000 There's one comic I know who drinks some sort of brown liquor on stage and he was like, it's iced tea.

00:18:18.000 Like, at a certain point, you're like, I can't sustain this.

00:18:20.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 Oh, that seems kind of fake.

00:18:22.000 I mean, if it's part of a prop and it's part of a thing...

00:18:26.000 Yeah, but just be real.

00:18:29.000 Yo, I don't drink at all before shows.

00:18:32.000 I keep it very real.

00:18:33.000 I was on stage once and someone gave me a fake shot.

00:18:35.000 I go, what the fuck is this?

00:18:37.000 And then the waiter brought over a fake shot.

00:18:41.000 I go, no, give me the real stuff.

00:18:43.000 You wanted the real thing.

00:18:44.000 I'm a grown adult.

00:18:45.000 No, somebody gave me a shot.

00:18:47.000 They said, get him a shot.

00:18:48.000 And so they...

00:18:49.000 They thought they were doing you a solid.

00:18:51.000 Exactly.

00:18:51.000 Right.

00:18:51.000 I wouldn't take a shot for very different reasons.

00:18:54.000 And those being safety reasons.

00:18:56.000 Right.

00:18:56.000 Yeah, but you're getting it from the waiter.

00:18:58.000 I'm not getting it from just some rando in the audience.

00:19:01.000 Hands you a shot.

00:19:02.000 You're absolutely right.

00:19:03.000 I do know a comic that did happen.

00:19:05.000 It did happen.

00:19:06.000 Something was drugged and she's like, I just woke up the next day.

00:19:08.000 Whoa.

00:19:09.000 Yeah.

00:19:10.000 I also don't do it because I have a policy where I don't drink on stage.

00:19:13.000 But also, I mean, I've definitely like on a full party of a show, someone sent a shot and I was like, I'm good.

00:19:18.000 Like, I'm at work.

00:19:19.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 I'm not doing this.

00:19:21.000 I have talked to so many women who've been drugged at nightclubs. 0.99

00:19:26.000 Where someone gives them a drink and there's something in it and they just feel funny and either their friends rescue them or something horrible happens.

00:19:32.000 Like that's a fucking creepy thing.

00:19:36.000 Not only is it creepy, it's something that I look back at the partying that I did.

00:19:41.000 Regular partying.

00:19:42.000 Never hot enough to do like yacht partying.

00:19:45.000 Regular partying.

00:19:46.000 And I can't believe that never happened.

00:19:49.000 And I look back to like a frat boy that I dated in college and like those parties and like just going out in L.A. and as intelligent as you might be the dumb choices you make in your 20s.

00:20:00.000 Yeah.

00:20:01.000 And just thankful that I got out unscathed because it does seem to it's just a huge part of our society.

00:20:09.000 That this just happens.

00:20:10.000 Well, it's very scary today, too, because of fentanyl, which is the number one killer of people 18 to 49 right now.

00:20:17.000 This show brought to you by fentanyl.

00:20:18.000 You have to give it the play.

00:20:20.000 That's the scariest, because they're giving people things in their drinks they don't expect, and most likely there's probably fentanyl in it.

00:20:29.000 Let me ask you this.

00:20:30.000 Let me ask people this.

00:20:31.000 This is my question.

00:20:32.000 Because you hear a lot of girls that are like, I was drugged and I just woke up at home or my friends had me.

00:20:37.000 So in the mind of someone who's a guy who's going to drug you, because it seems oftentimes they drug you, but then they're not there to collect you.

00:20:45.000 So is it just about fucking up someone's night or drugging them and then hoping to move in later?

00:20:51.000 It seems like people just drug people just to do it.

00:20:53.000 Am I... Way off in this?

00:20:55.000 I think there's probably a bunch of different things going on.

00:20:58.000 I bet there's certain people that drug people and they have no intentions of doing anything with them.

00:21:03.000 They just think it's funny to drug people.

00:21:06.000 Really?

00:21:06.000 You think that's the thing?

00:21:08.000 There's creepy people that just want to drug people and they just get a kick out of it.

00:21:12.000 There's some sociopaths out there.

00:21:14.000 Some really fucking evil...

00:21:16.000 You alright?

00:21:17.000 What happened?

00:21:17.000 I hit my Oh.

00:21:20.000 There's a lot of creepy evil people out there that, you know, you know, it's that hurt people hurt people thing.

00:21:27.000 Sure.

00:21:27.000 Anybody who's doing that's probably been abused.

00:21:29.000 They probably have some really fucked up view of human beings and they- Or just like voting for pro-life legislation, like those kind of people, for sure.

00:21:37.000 No.

00:21:38.000 I don't know.

00:21:38.000 I don't know if they're the same folks.

00:21:40.000 I think those are religious folks.

00:21:41.000 Why not lump them in?

00:21:42.000 I got no problem with it.

00:21:44.000 Lump them in.

00:21:44.000 I think pro-life people.

00:21:46.000 The problem with the whole pro-life abortion thing is like when it gets late term, you know, that's when people get weirded out.

00:21:52.000 Well, I don't think that's what they're...

00:21:54.000 I don't think they're considering that.

00:21:55.000 I think they're like, from the jump, whatever's worse for the girl, let's do that.

00:21:59.000 You think that's really what they think?

00:22:00.000 Yep.

00:22:01.000 I think they're doing it for religious purposes.

00:22:03.000 I think they really...

00:22:03.000 I've had a guy on this podcast, the CEO of the Babylon Bee, and his perception is that life begins at the moment of conception.

00:22:11.000 That's cool that that's his perception for something that he doesn't have to carry or contend with.

00:22:16.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:22:18.000 If men had to carry, it would be a completely different... 0.92

00:22:21.000 You could get an abortion at a frozen yogurt shop. 0.99

00:22:23.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 It'd be an app on your phone.

00:22:25.000 And look, I think the thing that worries me the most about it is there are the people Yeah.

00:22:52.000 But I don't think for the most part people believe it's a religious thing, but then religious warriors take up that cause on behalf of people who will be profiteering off of it and who are doing it for a different reason, be it racial, be it social, be it economical.

00:23:05.000 And so I do think it's this thing that you think you're doing something good for your Lord and Savior, for your religion, but you're just carrying out the mission of other people.

00:23:13.000 I think it's a sheepy way to be.

00:23:15.000 Well, I think there's a lot of people that most certainly do it because it's political football.

00:23:20.000 That becomes like a dividing line between the left and the right, and it galvanizes.

00:23:25.000 That's also what's unfortunate, is that because this is such a polarizing issue, people become single-issue voters.

00:23:32.000 So any agenda you might have as a conservative that may not be a bad idea or may be a fiscally good idea, People don't want to hear it because you've planted your flag in something that we shouldn't have been arguing over.

00:23:43.000 So it's very, because you're a single issue voter now, our communities will suffer and anything conservative that one might have agreed with doesn't get heard.

00:23:53.000 That's a shame that we can't come together on stuff.

00:23:56.000 Now it's too black and white.

00:23:57.000 Well, there's definitely a weird divide of left and right because there's so much crossover ideas and there's so many people that believe in more of a centrist philosophy and it doesn't get represented politically.

00:24:07.000 You know, the politics of this country are represented by the far left and the far right in terms of like what people are afraid of.

00:24:17.000 When they think of the right, they're afraid of access to abortion, healthcare, gay rights.

00:24:23.000 That's another one that's really creepy, is that the same people that were calling for the ban on Roe v.

00:24:29.000 Wade are now calling for an appeal of same-sex marriage.

00:24:34.000 Because you give them an inch.

00:24:35.000 And it's about taking it back to this, like, 1950s, or we could even say antebellum, because this also plays into race, taking it back to that.

00:24:45.000 What's antebellum?

00:24:45.000 Antebellum is like hearkening back to the South.

00:24:48.000 What does that word mean?

00:24:49.000 Antebellum, well, that's why, like, Lady Antebellum had to change the name to Lady A. Antebellum refers to a time in the South pre-slavery, glorifying those days, which I don't think the band meant for that.

00:25:00.000 I think antebellum has become associated.

00:25:02.000 What band?

00:25:02.000 Lady Antebellum.

00:25:03.000 I don't know what that is.

00:25:05.000 This was a whole thing a couple years ago.

00:25:06.000 It's a country band, Lady Antebellum.

00:25:08.000 They've got some great songs and they had to change it to Lady A. Oh, because of that.

00:25:12.000 Because of the word.

00:25:13.000 So is that what the actual definition of antebellum is?

00:25:16.000 Yes.

00:25:16.000 Is it pre-slavery?

00:25:17.000 No, no.

00:25:18.000 During slavery.

00:25:19.000 Occurring or existing before a particular war, especially the American Civil War.

00:25:23.000 During slavery.

00:25:24.000 The convention of the antebellum South.

00:25:25.000 So it harkens back to, you know, mint juleps and having a plantation.

00:25:29.000 Click on that.

00:25:29.000 What does antebellum literally mean?

00:25:32.000 Before the war.

00:25:33.000 So it means before the Civil War.

00:25:35.000 This is during slavery.

00:25:37.000 It's glamorizing a time during slavery.

00:25:40.000 Well, it says it wasn't widely associated with the U.S. Civil War until after that conflict was over.

00:25:45.000 The word comes from the Latin phrase antebellum, literally before the war.

00:25:49.000 So it literally means before any war.

00:25:51.000 But the earliest known print appearance in English dates back to the 1840s.

00:25:55.000 Right.

00:25:55.000 So in America, it's the Civil War.

00:25:57.000 We're not talking about Iraq.

00:25:58.000 Right.

00:25:59.000 But they're saying English print, it dates back to the 1840s before the Civil War.

00:26:04.000 Sure.

00:26:05.000 So this is all...

00:26:05.000 But this is all...

00:26:07.000 The whole point was it was all romanticizing a time when slavery was legal.

00:26:12.000 Got it.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 And the Dixie Chicks also had to change their name for that reason. 1.00

00:26:17.000 Oh.

00:26:17.000 So now they're just the Chicks, which sometimes you don't know what band people are talking about.

00:26:22.000 Well, the Dixie Chicks... 0.95

00:26:23.000 Do you remember when the Dixie Chicks came out and said that they were embarrassed that George W. Bush was our president and then the fucking South went after them? 0.56

00:26:31.000 Oh, yes.

00:26:31.000 And they were fucked.

00:26:32.000 Like, I think it kind of tanked their career.

00:26:35.000 Because they were very popular.

00:26:37.000 I think it was Natalie...

00:26:38.000 I want to say it was Natalie Maines is the one that said it.

00:26:40.000 And they went...

00:26:41.000 Two of them went to my high school.

00:26:43.000 Their mom was our teacher.

00:26:45.000 Wow.

00:26:46.000 What's unfortunate, and this is when we...

00:26:49.000 You know this was an opportunity for Men who hate women to decimate someone and women who uphold that sort of thinking of, you know, women should keep their mouths shut. 0.99

00:27:02.000 The Dixie chick thing was? 1.00

00:27:03.000 Yeah.

00:27:03.000 I was in a coffee shop in the middle of Texas not long ago, and I have a shirt on that says, apologize to the Dixie chicks.

00:27:10.000 It says the chicks, and that kind of obfuscates the message, but apologize to the chicks.

00:27:15.000 And there was a man sitting there.

00:27:16.000 We're in the middle of Texas at a coffee shop, like a local watering hole kind of coffee shop.

00:27:21.000 And you could tell, and he was probably in his 70s, nice Texas man, and he was like, this is our coffee shop, what does your shirt mean?

00:27:28.000 And I explained to him about the Dixie Chicks, how, given everything that's happened, they didn't deserve the hellfire that rained down on them for expressing an opinion.

00:27:38.000 And his opinion was, well, you know, you can't go around saying stuff about your government.

00:27:42.000 It's like, well, you can, actually.

00:27:43.000 It's called freedom of speech.

00:27:44.000 You guys fight for it every day.

00:27:46.000 And I simply said to him, you know, I can get mad at someone for their political opinion, but I strangely draw the line at threatening to kill a woman or rape her over that opinion.

00:27:56.000 And he stepped back and he was like, well, yeah, that's a lot.

00:27:59.000 So I think people don't realize, especially when a woman says something wrong, the types of threats that come down that you might brush off or a guy doesn't think about.

00:28:09.000 But if I get up and I'm like, I hate Joe Rogan, I hate his podcast, and you'll get men that are like, I hope you get raped, I hope you die.

00:28:17.000 And these experiences, and I actually talk about this in my new special, it's a lot funnier than I'm making it sound now, are not just online, they get carried out.

00:28:24.000 People shoot up schools because of their hatred of women. 0.94

00:28:28.000 What school's been shot up because of hatred of women?

00:28:30.000 University of Santa Barbara.

00:28:31.000 That kid wrote a whole manifesto.

00:28:33.000 Oh, that's right.

00:28:34.000 That was like the first incel, right?

00:28:37.000 Montreal.

00:28:38.000 In terms of like a popular incel where it was discussed?

00:28:41.000 1989. Montreal Massacre.

00:28:43.000 This guy also having an issue with being unfuckable.

00:28:47.000 Shot a bunch of people in the name of this.

00:28:50.000 The guy that shot up that strip mall in Atlanta had a whole thing about how women don't pay attention to him. 0.78

00:28:55.000 Those were Asian women he targeted. 1.00

00:28:57.000 So we're talking about she said something as a political belief, and then by and large what happens is you do something and then people come at you.

00:29:07.000 You bring a knife to a fight, people come with a gun, literally.

00:29:10.000 These are very real things that women have to think about. 1.00

00:29:14.000 When you exercise your free speech or just ideas, just as a man would, you have to think about your physical safety.

00:29:19.000 These are very real things.

00:29:20.000 It's the reason I have a security at shows.

00:29:22.000 It's not because of women coming up to me.

00:29:25.000 Yeah.

00:29:26.000 Which they have, and that's not scary.

00:29:28.000 But you never know.

00:29:29.000 But if a man came out and said, I'm embarrassed that George W. Bush is our president and he did it like that, he wouldn't have to think about that aspect.

00:29:37.000 It wouldn't be, I hope you get raped. 1.00

00:29:39.000 I mean, it might not be rape, but people might say violent things about him.

00:29:42.000 You'll get people that, you know, but when you and I leave a building at night, you think, we've talked about this, you think about your walk a lot differently than I do.

00:29:52.000 And I do it naturally.

00:29:52.000 I look around, you know.

00:29:54.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 And so that's why I'm shocked I have gotten through all those parties unscathed.

00:29:59.000 Like it's just a different way that you kind of walk through the world.

00:30:03.000 Less impunity.

00:30:04.000 And so I think that's what bothered me about the Dixie Chicks things was like she said something and it wasn't at a time where people were exercising free thought like they were because the ubiquity of the internet hadn't taken over.

00:30:17.000 Right.

00:30:17.000 And so...

00:30:19.000 Well, it's also just a basic human decency thing.

00:30:23.000 If someone expresses an opinion, the worst human beings in the world are going to be the ones who express the hope that you get murdered or raped or, you know, like anything.

00:30:32.000 I hope your family gets run over by a truck.

00:30:34.000 It's just the worst kind of human beings.

00:30:37.000 And that is, with any disagreement on anything, the rational, logical thing to do, someone says, you know, I'm embarrassed that that's my president, is to say, Why you disagree or why you think that's not a good thing to say,

00:30:54.000 but to hate the person and to wish harm on the person for expressing an opinion is just because you're a fucking idiot. 0.97

00:31:02.000 Your perspective sucks.

00:31:04.000 It's just so out of whack.

00:31:05.000 It's so warped.

00:31:07.000 And I don't think cancel culture is any different.

00:31:10.000 You take someone, let's say you made a bad joke once.

00:31:14.000 People would want...

00:31:15.000 They want you to not...

00:31:16.000 It's not about the apology.

00:31:17.000 They want your career ruined.

00:31:20.000 And so you look at someone like Harvey Weinstein.

00:31:23.000 That man should be in jail.

00:31:23.000 Because what he did to so many women was horrific.

00:31:27.000 One guy touches a woman by accident.

00:31:31.000 Actually, I take that back because that never happens.

00:31:33.000 One person says something.

00:31:35.000 They say they're sorry.

00:31:37.000 I think oftentimes the punishment outweighs the crime.

00:31:42.000 Well, it does today because there's sport in it.

00:31:45.000 There's sport in trying to take someone down.

00:31:47.000 There's sport in trying to ruin someone's life.

00:31:50.000 And there's also a lot of people out there that don't have anything going on, which is always the people that do things like this.

00:31:56.000 It's not someone who's got their life in order that starts some sort of a campaign to cancel someone for a bad joke.

00:32:03.000 It's usually someone who's a fucking loser.

00:32:06.000 Absolutely.

00:32:07.000 And then what happens is...

00:32:10.000 It becomes this overcorrect.

00:32:12.000 There are people who deserve to be canceled for doing terrible things over and over.

00:32:16.000 But nobody ever thinks they did anything wrong.

00:32:18.000 So then you get this other side that's like, oh, if a guy looks at a woman wrong, he's going to get canceled.

00:32:22.000 I used to think no one was getting canceled who didn't deserve it.

00:32:25.000 But the more we move into this cancel culture, the more I start to ask, like, if somebody does one thing wrong that really hurts no one or they write a joke or they say something or they hit on a woman, right?

00:32:38.000 Is it a pound of flesh that's owed?

00:32:40.000 Is it your whole life?

00:32:41.000 Is it money?

00:32:43.000 Are you defined by your worst moment?

00:32:46.000 I believe so.

00:32:48.000 Well, it depends on what your worst moment is.

00:32:50.000 Shoot up a school, for sure.

00:32:52.000 If your worst moment is a bad joke, no.

00:32:55.000 But it's...

00:32:56.000 It's the sport of it.

00:32:58.000 That's the problem.

00:32:58.000 And it's also navigating this newfound power that people have through the internet.

00:33:03.000 You know, what comes with this great power is great responsibility, but there's no responsibility to people that can just attack people online.

00:33:10.000 And they enjoy it, and they enjoy it from the anonymity of their own bubble and their tweeting or whatever they're doing.

00:33:17.000 You're absolutely right.

00:33:20.000 It's navigating this new power and navigating this new world that we live in where cancel culture type things that people look for them.

00:33:29.000 They're looking for a nail because they have a hammer.

00:33:32.000 If you give someone a big box of rocks and there's a window there, there's a very strong urge to throw a rock at that window.

00:33:40.000 And it's very rare that someone takes like this compassionate, charitable view of another human being and just goes, you know, people make mistakes and the most important thing is that we all try to do better.

00:33:51.000 That everybody tries to do better in their life.

00:33:53.000 I think people say that and then when it comes to whatever their agenda is, they forget about that.

00:33:57.000 And I understand rage and I understand I understand hurt.

00:34:04.000 But I don't think people understand context.

00:34:06.000 And I think because people...

00:34:08.000 You say hurt people hurt people.

00:34:09.000 I think people feel so powerless and so angry.

00:34:12.000 So you grab onto whatever you can grab onto.

00:34:15.000 And I think we just have to be careful...

00:34:17.000 In rallying those troops, you know, I think of the petulant internet masses, and I do talk about this in my book, I think of them as like zombies.

00:34:24.000 Like in every movie, it's always like, be quiet, be quiet, because you don't want the zombie to like feel your warmth or hear you.

00:34:28.000 And that's, you know, whatever you do, if you can just say nothing and sustain and maintain, if you truly did like nothing really wrong, they'll move on.

00:34:37.000 But if you've ever argued with someone in a comment section, you know that that attracts more of them.

00:34:42.000 Of course.

00:34:42.000 Well, also they have your attention.

00:34:44.000 Right.

00:34:45.000 And they think that because you're a public person, you have some sort of an advantage in life that you shouldn't have.

00:34:51.000 They want to attack you no matter what.

00:34:54.000 Like, if you're a public person, I mean, your fans will chime in and say, no, we love her, fuck you. 0.96

00:34:59.000 But most people who don't know you that are hopping into the fray are doing it with the idea that they're going to destroy something.

00:35:05.000 Destroy something?

00:35:07.000 Something beautiful.

00:35:08.000 And it's this idea of like, it's so delicious to destroy something.

00:35:11.000 The schadenfreude of watching someone get wrecked because they have something you want or you feel they owe you something.

00:35:17.000 People love that.

00:35:18.000 Everybody has receipts on someone else and everybody has something that they wish they could do differently or take back.

00:35:24.000 And there's just no, we don't allow for context.

00:35:27.000 We don't allow for conversation.

00:35:29.000 And that's on the left and the right.

00:35:31.000 And it's just in general.

00:35:32.000 What if you had a fulfilling life?

00:35:34.000 Like it's one thing if somebody has multiple civil rights infractions and you're like, look, this person systemically has done awful things at their company.

00:35:42.000 But what if you had a fulfilling life and a goal and a passion and something else?

00:35:46.000 Would you spend your whole life trying to ruin other people?

00:35:50.000 Most people don't have the time to do that.

00:35:52.000 I think it's this new power that exists in the world and this new ability to express themselves and to disseminate information that needs to be navigated.

00:36:03.000 I think it's going to take time.

00:36:05.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:24.000 It's just this newfound ability to express information that is just unprecedented.

00:36:31.000 There's never been a time in history where you can have these mobs of people that can just attack from their phone.

00:36:38.000 From their phone.

00:36:39.000 I also think, you know, this is, we are learning, we are growing up in real time with the internet.

00:36:44.000 Yeah.

00:36:45.000 And nobody, and I believe this, when the internet came around, you know, fast forward to several years ago, let's say we got Twitter, right?

00:36:53.000 We have social media versus just the internet.

00:36:56.000 I don't think the average person, I'm sure people at tech companies and some futurists, maybe you, I don't know.

00:37:46.000 Right.

00:37:47.000 But it's out there.

00:37:48.000 We forget that we're all learning this in real time, and we do this as, it's like this whole gotcha-ism.

00:37:53.000 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 I watched a video yesterday of this lady. 1.00

00:37:56.000 She's walking through a store, and she's got flip-flops on and a skirt, and she's just walking.

00:38:01.000 It's like a security camera, and then she stops, and she puts her hand over her butt, and then she walks a little further, and she stops again, and you can see her, like, clench her butt cheeks, and then she, like, looks around, and then shit falls out of her skirt onto the ground, and she moves away. 0.82

00:38:16.000 Have you seen it, Jamie?

00:38:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:17.000 That poor lady. 1.00

00:38:18.000 Did they show her face?

00:38:19.000 Yeah.

00:38:20.000 Okay.

00:38:21.000 You want to see it?

00:38:22.000 I don't.

00:38:23.000 Because that will be me one day.

00:38:25.000 That was almost me on the way here.

00:38:28.000 This poor lady. 1.00

00:38:29.000 I saw that.

00:38:29.000 I was like, oh my god.

00:38:30.000 Talk about a surveillance state.

00:38:32.000 And also, another thing that you've seen a significant uptick in on TikTok, in particular, is the filming of strangers without their consent.

00:38:41.000 Yeah.

00:38:42.000 That woman, these people, oh, this guy's got...

00:38:44.000 And it's always done in the name of comedy or to catch someone...

00:38:47.000 What's this one?

00:38:48.000 At least she's blurred out.

00:38:49.000 No, this is a different one.

00:38:50.000 Somebody stepped in it.

00:38:52.000 Oh, God.

00:38:53.000 This is a different one.

00:38:54.000 Yeah, I've seen it happen a couple times.

00:38:55.000 Revolting moment.

00:38:56.000 Let's go back up.

00:38:57.000 Revolting moment.

00:38:58.000 Lady poos on the floor while walking through lobby before unsuspecting man steps in it as she runs off. 1.00

00:39:03.000 So does she have, like, no underwear on?

00:39:05.000 She's just shitting? 1.00

00:39:06.000 Yeah, let me see the...

00:39:08.000 You kind of know you're doing that, don't you?

00:39:11.000 So this lady's just walking and she just, oh my god! 1.00

00:39:14.000 Are we sure it's poop?

00:39:15.000 Yes, she just shit as she's walking and this guy just, oh god!

00:39:19.000 How did he not see that?

00:39:20.000 Well, how did he see it?

00:39:22.000 Why would he expect to see shit?

00:39:24.000 He's just walking.

00:39:24.000 He's right behind her.

00:39:26.000 I mean, the time between her shitting and him stepping in it is just like a second.

00:39:34.000 That's awful.

00:39:36.000 Imagine if he fell and it landed in his fucking clothes.

00:39:41.000 Some dudes are into it.

00:39:42.000 Yes.

00:39:43.000 Oh, Sheila.

00:39:44.000 What's that?

00:39:44.000 That's when it happened to Tim Hortons, but that was a little bit more of a thing.

00:39:47.000 Disturbing video of a woman at Tim Hortons.

00:39:49.000 Wait, why is disturbing in quotes?

00:39:50.000 Oh, this lady shit against a wall. 1.00

00:39:53.000 Yeah, she was just crazy.

00:39:54.000 Why is it disturbing?

00:39:56.000 Some don't think it is.

00:39:57.000 It's in quotes.

00:39:59.000 Allegedly, it's disturbing.

00:40:01.000 Oh, disturbing in quotes?

00:40:02.000 Why is it in quotes?

00:40:03.000 I don't know.

00:40:03.000 Why is it in quotes?

00:40:04.000 It's definitely disturbing.

00:40:06.000 You talk about lack of a right to privacy.

00:40:08.000 You are being filmed everywhere.

00:40:10.000 I think it should be illegal to film someone without their consent.

00:40:13.000 But what about if it's a store and you're worried about people robbing them?

00:40:16.000 I think you have a sign posted that says, just so you know, without them being aware.

00:40:20.000 Like, you're consenting by going in that store, and if you're not doing anything wrong, it's not a big deal.

00:40:23.000 People are just filming people.

00:40:25.000 Right, that's a different thing.

00:40:26.000 That's personal filming.

00:40:27.000 Yeah, the people filming thing is kind of fucked, because people love to stick cameras in people's faces and ask them questions.

00:40:33.000 It's like, what are you doing, man?

00:40:34.000 Yeah.

00:40:35.000 There's no reason for this.

00:40:36.000 I mean, TV, you gotta, like, hunt, you gotta wrestle them to the ground and be like, please sign this release.

00:40:41.000 Right.

00:40:41.000 And these kids, these are, you got 15 TikTok followers, you live in the middle of nowhere, like, there's no one can come after you because you have no identity associated with your handle.

00:40:49.000 Right.

00:40:50.000 So there's a lack of accountability and our laws are so glacial and archaic that we haven't caught up to the internet yet.

00:40:57.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 No, it's very weird what our laws are in terms of that, the privacy laws.

00:41:04.000 It's very weird.

00:41:06.000 Because, like, here's another thing.

00:41:08.000 If you buy a house, people could just post your house and that you bought it, and people Google your address instantaneously.

00:41:15.000 There's no laws on that.

00:41:16.000 I know it's happened to you.

00:41:17.000 It's happened to me.

00:41:19.000 Happens to everybody.

00:41:20.000 But especially as a public figure, and we even reached out to the quote-unquote writer that does it, and I'm like...

00:41:27.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:41:28.000 And we try to say, like, hey, I have a stalker.

00:41:30.000 We have a case with the police.

00:41:32.000 Could you please not post, she sleeps on the north end.

00:41:35.000 Like, here's where the master bedroom is.

00:41:37.000 Like, fine.

00:41:37.000 A picture with no reference.

00:41:39.000 Great.

00:41:39.000 But they don't need to know the layout that I sleep on the second floor.

00:41:42.000 Like, they don't need to know that.

00:41:43.000 Yeah.

00:41:44.000 There's just such a lack of accountability and awareness for personal safety, particularly women's safety.

00:41:51.000 Well, there's no laws in regards to that.

00:41:54.000 Like, we need new privacy laws in terms of what you're allowed to put on the internet.

00:41:57.000 Well, and so people here would be like, well, get you a gun.

00:42:00.000 Be your own law.

00:42:02.000 No.

00:42:03.000 It's not that simple.

00:42:05.000 I mean, you're opening up a door.

00:42:08.000 You shouldn't have to defend it with bullets.

00:42:10.000 You know, you shouldn't, just because somebody decides to, like, post where you sleep, you shouldn't have to be, like, fucking cocked, armed, and ready.

00:42:17.000 I agree.

00:42:18.000 Every time you go to the bathroom.

00:42:19.000 It shouldn't be news is the other thing, and you shouldn't be allowed...

00:42:24.000 People get mad about stuff.

00:42:25.000 Nobody ever goes after the media outlets.

00:42:27.000 The outlet that posts the picture of your wife in a bikini on your vacation.

00:42:31.000 The outlet that says something about your body.

00:42:33.000 The outlet that puts that out there.

00:42:37.000 Somehow those writers, it's never about them and it always becomes about the story.

00:42:42.000 This is not the shitty way to make a living is just pretending it's journalism but really showing how fat someone got.

00:42:47.000 Well, it is a vulturous way to make a living.

00:42:50.000 There's a bunch of articles that I'm seeing lately.

00:42:52.000 Maybe it's just like my Google News feed, but there's articles of weird shit.

00:42:57.000 How is this an article?

00:42:58.000 One of them was a guy left a bad tip, so the woman chased him down out in the street and confronted him. 0.84

00:43:05.000 And this is an article.

00:43:06.000 I'm like, that's an everyday occurrence if you're a waitress.

00:43:09.000 The idea that this is now a story, but it doesn't matter because that's the kind of thing that makes people click on things.

00:43:16.000 Because journalism is kind of fucked now because it's all about clicks because you don't really make a lot of money off of print journalism anymore.

00:43:23.000 Right.

00:43:23.000 The sensationalism of it.

00:43:25.000 Yeah.

00:43:26.000 So what they're getting money from is advertising clicks.

00:43:28.000 And believe it or not, a woman chasing down a guy who left a shitty tip will get you just as much clicks as some climate change accord where some consortium of scientists get together. 0.99

00:43:40.000 And chain themselves to a Bank of America building.

00:43:42.000 It is how do we sensationalize everything.

00:43:45.000 The right news doesn't get the correct news doesn't get the appropriate attention.

00:43:49.000 And you really do.

00:43:51.000 It is harder and harder to seek out the education that you deserve.

00:43:56.000 It is harder and harder to educate yourself because everybody is positive that they're right.

00:44:02.000 Everybody's positive everyone is wrong.

00:44:04.000 It's hard to trust people and it's hard to know what side of the graph you're looking at.

00:44:08.000 And none of us for the most part have it.

00:44:11.000 And everybody's very content to sound off on anyone if you have an opinion.

00:44:16.000 As if they have all the facts, but they just got them from another talking head.

00:44:20.000 Right.

00:44:21.000 So that's why scientists and doctors and people with degrees in this are so important versus just taking this news from wherever.

00:44:27.000 That's also why objective journalism is so important.

00:44:30.000 It's very difficult to find nowadays.

00:44:32.000 It's very hard because everything is biased from one perspective, whether it's a right wing perspective or a left wing perspective, and they flavor and shape and mold the narrative just to suit whatever they think their audience wants to hear.

00:44:44.000 Well, you have to have your eyes so open because if you are coming from any sort of marginalized group, that colors it like I'm Jewish.

00:44:50.000 So when I see a headline about Jews or Israel or Palestine, I always pay attention to the phrasing.

00:44:57.000 You're like, what's the real agenda here?

00:44:59.000 And sometimes it requires being of that group to fully see the intention.

00:45:04.000 If you're black, you're going to look at a headline about an altercation with police.

00:45:09.000 You're going to look at that wording differently than a white person that doesn't think about that.

00:45:14.000 It colors your perspective and your history in life colors the way you read those.

00:45:20.000 And so you're right.

00:45:21.000 It is hard to find just the facts.

00:45:23.000 Here is what happened.

00:45:24.000 Here is that.

00:45:25.000 Decide for yourself.

00:45:25.000 Well, it requires a lot of work, and you can't do that about too many subjects, because you just don't have the time.

00:45:31.000 If you're a person that has an eight-hour-a-day job, and then you have a family, and hobbies, and friends, and, like, you don't have the time to be trying to figure out, like, why is fluoride in the water?

00:45:41.000 Why is it, like, you gotta shake that shit down, it'll take you forever.

00:45:44.000 So then, so here you go, and now it's time to vote.

00:45:47.000 And you got some guy that's like, hey, I want to protect us and everything and do everything that's right.

00:45:52.000 And all these bullshit things are baked into it that are infringements on our civil liberties.

00:45:56.000 And you're like, well, I didn't take the time, so this guy seems like me.

00:46:00.000 Should be okay.

00:46:01.000 Yeah, we look for someone who makes us feel good.

00:46:03.000 Like, I'll feel good voting for him.

00:46:05.000 I don't like her.

00:46:06.000 She's a cunt. 1.00

00:46:07.000 And they just decide this is how I'm voting.

00:46:10.000 I mean, that was a lot of people's perspectives on Hillary Clinton.

00:46:13.000 No, I'm pretty sure everyone loved her.

00:46:15.000 I'm pretty sure she won.

00:46:17.000 The most loved.

00:46:18.000 I liked Elizabeth Warren.

00:46:21.000 Why?

00:46:21.000 She's cool.

00:46:22.000 I just like her.

00:46:23.000 I liked her.

00:46:24.000 I like her tenacity.

00:46:26.000 Yeah, but okay, who isn't?

00:46:29.000 Yeah, Bernie Sanders.

00:46:31.000 Okay, but did you vote for Bernie?

00:46:32.000 He wasn't available to vote for.

00:46:34.000 Did you vote in the...

00:46:35.000 I didn't vote in the primaries.

00:46:37.000 In the primaries, right.

00:46:38.000 But I had him on my podcast, and he was very sincere.

00:46:41.000 Okay, cool.

00:46:42.000 I've had my mom on my podcast.

00:46:43.000 You want to flex?

00:46:45.000 I'm just saying.

00:46:47.000 I think he's very sincere.

00:46:48.000 I think he's very idealistic.

00:46:52.000 But give that a chance.

00:46:53.000 Maybe that's better than someone who's fucking jaded.

00:46:56.000 I mean, I don't understand what one has to do with the other.

00:46:59.000 I was just saying, I liked her.

00:47:01.000 What one has to do with the other?

00:47:03.000 What do you mean?

00:47:05.000 Someone being idealistic, what is her being a con artist? 0.92

00:47:08.000 My whole point was that people have locked and loaded these opinions about people and everyone's awful and every woman is called a bitch when they run for politics. 0.81

00:47:18.000 Sarah Palin, because the types of men that call women bitches voted probably for her in the get-go.

00:47:24.000 Well, Tulsi Gabbard's not.

00:47:25.000 I think Tulsi Gabbard's amazing.

00:47:27.000 I don't even know who that is.

00:47:28.000 You know who she is?

00:47:29.000 No.

00:47:30.000 Congresswoman from Hawaii ran for president in 2020. Okay.

00:47:36.000 She's the one who called out Kamala Harris on her prosecution record for people with marijuana felonies. 0.99

00:47:43.000 I do know that.

00:47:44.000 I do know that.

00:47:44.000 Also kept people in jail illegally past the time they were supposed to be released to force them to work as cheap labor to fight wildfires.

00:47:51.000 Will she be running?

00:47:52.000 No.

00:47:53.000 She actually just did the podcast recently and she's...

00:47:56.000 When is it there?

00:47:58.000 Update.

00:47:58.000 She is running?

00:47:59.000 Yeah.

00:47:59.000 It was next week.

00:48:00.000 A little bit of breaking news.

00:48:02.000 Okay.

00:48:04.000 Biden pardons thousands of people convicted of marijuana possession under federal law.

00:48:08.000 Wow.

00:48:08.000 As it should be.

00:48:09.000 Oh yeah.

00:48:11.000 As I've said before, no one should be in jail for just using or possessing marijuana.

00:48:15.000 Today I'm taking steps to end our failed approach.

00:48:17.000 Wait.

00:48:17.000 Allow me to lay them out.

00:48:18.000 Fuck yeah.

00:48:19.000 What if the first step just said, P.S. I'm high as fuck right now?

00:48:22.000 LOL. High AF. Second, I'm calling on governors to pardon simple state marijuana possession offenses, just as no one should be in federal prison.

00:48:33.000 Look at the likes going up.

00:48:34.000 That's amazing.

00:48:35.000 No one should be in federal prison solely for possessing marijuana.

00:48:38.000 No one should be in a local jail or state prison for that reason either.

00:48:42.000 Third, we classify marijuana at the same level as heroin and more serious than fentanyl.

00:48:47.000 It makes no sense.

00:48:49.000 I'm asking Secretary, I don't know how to say that name, Becerra, and the Attorney General to initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law.

00:49:00.000 I'd also like to note that as federal and state regulations change, we still need important limitations on trafficking, marketing, and underage sales of marijuana.

00:49:09.000 Yes.

00:49:10.000 Sending people to jail for possessing marijuana has upended too many lives for conduct that is legal in many states.

00:49:16.000 Yes.

00:49:17.000 That's before you address the clear racial disparities around the prosecution and conviction.

00:49:21.000 Today we begin to right these wrongs.

00:49:24.000 Fuck yeah.

00:49:25.000 There is a disproportionate amount of African American men, but African Americans, in jail for minor marijuana possession while women in Santa Barbara are like having cooking parties with it. 0.99

00:49:35.000 Like white women and white families. 1.00

00:49:37.000 Well, it's legal in California.

00:49:37.000 It is legal and...

00:49:40.000 That is true, and there is breaking the law, but again, we're talking about punishment outweighing a crime.

00:49:45.000 Oh, for sure.

00:49:46.000 There are people still in jail years later, and it was the smallest amount, and now that it's legal, let them out.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, well, there's people that are in jail, and they can literally look out their bars and see marijuana shops.

00:49:57.000 Especially in Phoenix.

00:49:58.000 It's a very quick and easy way to feed this industrial prison complex.

00:50:03.000 He's totally right in doing that.

00:50:05.000 It is a class racial issue.

00:50:07.000 It is that thing where now that it's legal, I mean...

00:50:13.000 Yeah, it's just a way to feed that prison complex.

00:50:15.000 That is the point.

00:50:15.000 Well, it's a stupid fucking law that shouldn't exist.

00:50:19.000 And if you believe in freedom, you should believe in the freedom to explore your own consciousness.

00:50:23.000 And that's what marijuana is.

00:50:25.000 I think it's very easy to live in your reality.

00:50:27.000 And people in, like, say, Los Angeles get very accused of living in a bubble.

00:50:30.000 And my whole thing is, it's 80% Mexican in L.A. It's pronounced abuble. 1.00

00:50:35.000 But it's very easy to live.

00:50:37.000 If you are a farmer in rural Nebraska and you have these conservative values and you don't live in like an urban area, you don't share the same streets that I do, of course your values are going to be different.

00:50:47.000 And that's okay.

00:50:48.000 That's what local elections are for.

00:50:50.000 And so I think it's very easy to be pro-life.

00:50:56.000 Especially if you're a man because like this doesn't really affect me or I'm a 60 year old like I'm not thinking about this I think it's very difficult I think the exercise in living in a society is thinking about other people and that's what taxes are for those go to schools I pay taxes for schools that my kids might never attend this is what you sign up for when you live in a society is maybe considering how to not hurt your neighbor and so that's why I was so pro mask because it's like this is how you don't hurt someone When we believe that those were,

00:51:23.000 and I still do, the thing that helps, right?

00:51:26.000 And I think people tend to vote, I want the death penalty.

00:51:28.000 Sure, you don't know the fucking guy dying.

00:51:30.000 It's not your brother that's been falsely accused.

00:51:32.000 So I think the less experience you have with people who are less like you, the more likely you're just going to vote for your own self-interest.

00:51:38.000 That's absolutely true.

00:51:40.000 Yeah, and that's always going to be the case.

00:51:42.000 People, they have a limited perspective based on what they've experienced.

00:51:47.000 And if you are in the middle of nowhere, in a rural place, and you have a very religious upbringing, and you think that people in Brooklyn or people in South Central Los Angeles should adhere to your values, not only is it not realistic,

00:52:02.000 it's not informed.

00:52:03.000 I'm never about spreading my values as much as giving people options.

00:52:08.000 That's why it's pro-choice.

00:52:09.000 And I believe in choices in general.

00:52:11.000 And I understand the vaccine thing, which is also like I'm not in the streets telling people to do it.

00:52:15.000 It was my choice to get it.

00:52:16.000 So I just want people to have the choice.

00:52:18.000 And I want people to also have the choice to make decisions about their own health, meaning I don't want to be forced to get sick because you chose not to do something.

00:52:28.000 It's the same reason you can't go into a movie theater and yell fire.

00:52:30.000 Like, your choices shouldn't have to affect or harm other people.

00:52:34.000 And that's a very gray area, because where do you draw that boundary?

00:52:38.000 Well, the problem with that boundary is we need to know what is actually going on.

00:52:44.000 Right.

00:52:44.000 We need to know, like, what are the financial interests involved in making decisions, because especially when you're dealing with anything involving pharmaceutical companies or the government, it's mostly about money.

00:52:56.000 I mean, hydroxychloroquine, when that came out as like a cure-all, I remember looking this up because I was so proud of my journalism, but I remember the guy was Indian, who was like the head of the pharmaceutical company that was in charge of that.

00:53:14.000 And I Googled and I saw that he had had dinner with Donald Trump, like in March of the pandemic year.

00:53:19.000 And I was like, you know, someone shook someone's hand and was like, we'll sell this.

00:53:23.000 I don't think so, because hydroxychloroquine is not expensive.

00:53:27.000 There's no money in that.

00:53:29.000 Hydroxychloroquine is something like ivermectin, which is a generic drug.

00:53:33.000 The problem with generic drugs is these off-label uses of generic drugs.

00:53:38.000 Anybody could profit off of it.

00:53:39.000 What they want is patented drugs.

00:53:42.000 So they come up with a drug that's either similar to that, has a similar effect, or an alternative effect, and then they patent that.

00:53:51.000 That was the drug that was being touted.

00:53:53.000 But that's what they sell.

00:53:54.000 When you look into the history of the pharmaceutical companies and what they've done in terms of patenting medicine and demonizing medicines that can't be patented that are generic medicines, it's fucking creepy.

00:54:06.000 Yes.

00:54:06.000 Because they're just about profit.

00:54:09.000 These are machines that are just trying to make money for their shareholders.

00:54:15.000 100%.

00:54:15.000 And that's almost every company.

00:54:18.000 It's a terrifying thing to do to start to peel back those layers.

00:54:22.000 And I'm all for that education.

00:54:24.000 And that kind of goes back to what we were saying before about it is exhausting and really difficult to get objective opinions, to really find stuff out.

00:54:32.000 It is.

00:54:32.000 And this is for, I mean, there was this documentary on Netflix about, like, health and beauty business, and they talked about Johnson& Johnson baby powder, and how they, you know, my mom, we used that when I was little, and now it causes cervical cancer.

00:54:46.000 That's what they're saying.

00:54:46.000 I call my mom, and I go, hey, if you have Johnson& Johnson baby powder, don't use it.

00:54:50.000 She goes, no, it causes cancer. 1.00

00:54:51.000 I know that.

00:54:52.000 Like, it just became not, like, it was a thing that was a family company that was sold to everyone, and then when they found out it caused cancer, they started marketing it to poorer communities.

00:55:03.000 When they found out it causes cancer, they started marketing to people?

00:55:06.000 They started putting it in black and brown communities.

00:55:09.000 Really?

00:55:10.000 Yeah, this was in the documentary.

00:55:11.000 What documentary is this?

00:55:12.000 It's called...

00:55:12.000 If you Google Netflix Beauty Doc, there's a bunch of them, but this is the one.

00:55:18.000 What's it called?

00:55:18.000 It's called...

00:55:19.000 I'll tell you right now.

00:55:20.000 It's called...

00:55:21.000 Hold on.

00:55:23.000 Toxic beauty. 0.84

00:55:24.000 Jesus Christ, these people are fucking creeps.

00:55:26.000 And then you even just have products that you think, like if you've got curly hair, which I do, which is a very malign thing, you find this product that's great for it, and then they go into all the information that's not being told to you, and it is a full-time job. 0.93

00:55:39.000 And then you're called a heretic if you come out against some of these things, and it's...

00:55:44.000 I applaud a lot of what you do on this podcast.

00:55:46.000 I know a lot of your guests are polarizing.

00:55:48.000 I know you don't always have the right info, but I do applaud the pursuit of that information because there's always so many levels and layers, particularly in government or products or anything.

00:55:57.000 These things that make our lives run, there's darker motives happening and you sound crazy if you say it.

00:56:04.000 You sound crazy in the beginning.

00:56:06.000 And then ultimately, if you're correct, people find out they've been duped.

00:56:12.000 Or they're dead.

00:56:13.000 And that there's money involved in this.

00:56:15.000 Right.

00:56:15.000 And that that's why this stuff has been propagated.

00:56:18.000 That's how I feel about the abortion thing.

00:56:20.000 I'm like, this can't be about religion.

00:56:22.000 Do you really think that it's a...

00:56:22.000 I think it's probably a voting issue.

00:56:25.000 You know, for sure.

00:56:26.000 You know, which is, I think, look, cynically, I look at this Biden decision about marijuana.

00:56:31.000 I say it's a voting issue.

00:56:32.000 They're trying to win the midterms, which are, you know, in a couple of weeks.

00:56:36.000 And that's how they're looking at it.

00:56:39.000 But I applaud the sentiment behind it and what it actually will do for people, which I think is great.

00:56:45.000 And if that's all it takes...

00:56:47.000 To get them to do that, to make it, incentivize them to do something that's the right thing, that it's going to, all they have to do is like, do it because they want to get the votes?

00:56:56.000 Good.

00:56:57.000 Let them get the votes.

00:56:57.000 Thank God it's for a good thing.

00:56:59.000 That is the right thing.

00:57:00.000 It shouldn't be demonized.

00:57:01.000 Did you see the clip this morning where he was caught, he was shaking hands with someone and then on a hot mic he said, nobody fucks with a Biden.

00:57:08.000 Did I say that?

00:57:09.000 The president said it.

00:57:10.000 Oh, he's so gone.

00:57:13.000 Well, I don't know.

00:57:14.000 I think that's kind of...

00:57:14.000 No, but he's gone.

00:57:16.000 He's fucking got dementia.

00:57:17.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:57:20.000 The guy...

00:57:20.000 Do you see that speech the other day?

00:57:21.000 There's no buts?

00:57:23.000 There's no buts?

00:57:23.000 It's 100%?

00:57:24.000 If you talk to any person who treats people with dementia and you show them what he used to be like versus what he's like now, there is clear evidence of cognitive decline.

00:57:38.000 I mean, as long as you're making, as long as you're doing stuff like this, I'm okay with it.

00:57:43.000 Like the marijuana, like as long as you're calling for stuff like that, at least do something good on your way out.

00:57:48.000 It's good that he's doing that, but that's not what we're talking about.

00:57:50.000 I'm talking about his, he's got dementia or something.

00:57:52.000 There's some sort of cognitive decline.

00:57:54.000 You see that thing the other day where he was calling, where's Jackie?

00:57:56.000 Where's Jackie?

00:57:57.000 Has that Jackie lady been dead for a month? 1.00

00:58:00.000 There's someone who worked for him.

00:58:01.000 Like, he doesn't have all of his faculties in order.

00:58:04.000 Like, people knew that going into the election, and it's only deteriorated with pressure and stress and age.

00:58:10.000 It's like, that stuff doesn't get better as you get older.

00:58:12.000 It gets worse.

00:58:13.000 Okay.

00:58:14.000 Yes.

00:58:16.000 Agreed.

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 We get worse as we get older.

00:58:18.000 Well, especially him.

00:58:18.000 He's old as fuck.

00:58:19.000 Nobody fucks with a Biden.

00:58:21.000 Such a silly man.

00:58:23.000 He's always been silly.

00:58:24.000 By the way, for any man to say that.

00:58:26.000 What was he saying?

00:58:26.000 Here it is.

00:58:36.000 That's a funny thing to say.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:58:38.000 I love it.

00:58:39.000 I wasn't saying he had to...

00:58:41.000 Did people get mad at that?

00:58:42.000 No, it was just news.

00:58:44.000 It was just kind of out of character for him.

00:58:46.000 I like it.

00:58:47.000 I like that.

00:58:47.000 It's cheesy, but it's cool.

00:58:50.000 It's funny.

00:58:50.000 He's talking to some regular dude and just shaking hands.

00:58:53.000 No one fucks with a Biden.

00:58:54.000 I mean, we've all said stuff with our mics.

00:58:57.000 I've peed with my mic on.

00:58:58.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:58:59.000 I don't give a shit.

00:59:00.000 Nothing wrong with saying something into a lav. 0.77

00:59:02.000 Yeah, I mean, look, it is what it is.

00:59:06.000 He's old.

00:59:08.000 But that thing, like, who cares about that?

00:59:10.000 How's that even news?

00:59:11.000 It's kind of funny.

00:59:12.000 It just popped up on my Instagram.

00:59:13.000 It wasn't, like, on the front page of the New York Times.

00:59:15.000 Well, I'm sure some people are going to run with it.

00:59:17.000 Some fucking Fox News people are going to think it's evidence of his moral decay or something.

00:59:22.000 Well, I mean, it did lead you to go into a whole thing about, which you also said to me last time, that he had dementia.

00:59:27.000 He's got something.

00:59:29.000 You think he's got something?

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:30.000 You ever seen the compilations of him just stumbling and not knowing what to talk about, losing his place and forgetting, oh, I forgot about it.

00:59:39.000 It's not good.

00:59:40.000 I'm not...

00:59:46.000 Sure.

00:59:48.000 Sure.

00:59:50.000 Sure.

01:00:03.000 Oh, it was George Bush.

01:00:05.000 There's this clip that went around recently where he says something about the Iraq war and he goes, now watch me tee off.

01:00:10.000 I'm like, now watch this long shot.

01:00:11.000 And he just turns around and hits a golf ball.

01:00:12.000 Oh, I've seen that one.

01:00:13.000 That's hilarious.

01:00:13.000 I kind of don't hate it.

01:00:14.000 I think it's very funny.

01:00:15.000 No, it's kind of hilarious.

01:00:16.000 Well, what do you want the guy to do?

01:00:17.000 What do you want him to do?

01:00:18.000 First of all, he's a human being and he's in the middle of...

01:00:20.000 Golfing.

01:00:21.000 Golfing and in the most insanely pressure-filled life the world's ever known.

01:00:26.000 If you're a president, that job is fucked.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:29.000 And you are under scrutiny 24-7 and you're just living this bizarre world where in this bizarre world where you're in control of the economic future, the environmental future, the international treaties and laws and whether or not we invade countries and interventionalist foreign policy.

01:00:50.000 Like the fucking chaos involved in being the president.

01:00:53.000 Can't let the guy talk some shit and now watch this drive.

01:00:55.000 That's kind of funny.

01:00:56.000 That's the reason most people voted for him.

01:00:58.000 Right.

01:01:00.000 It doesn't matter now.

01:01:01.000 He's a regular guy.

01:01:02.000 He's a regular Joe you want to have a beer with.

01:01:05.000 It's a weird thing to want from a leader, right?

01:01:08.000 But I guess it's better than someone who you don't want to have a beer with.

01:01:11.000 Have you seen some fucking creep who's just some weird lizard person who just doesn't make any sense to you?

01:01:17.000 Do you want to have a beer with Vladimir Putin?

01:01:20.000 I'd have some vodka with that guy.

01:01:21.000 Would you have him on your podcast?

01:01:23.000 Well, I don't speak Russian, so I don't think we would be able to communicate correctly.

01:01:27.000 I don't know how well he speaks English.

01:01:28.000 But it would be a fascinating conversation to hear his perspective.

01:01:34.000 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 But that guy's a tool.

01:01:38.000 Well, he's definitely a killer.

01:01:40.000 Yeah.

01:01:41.000 You know, I mean, he's a former...

01:01:43.000 KGB. Yeah, it was KGB, and then what's the other FSB? Yeah, he's a scary man, and he's also insanely wealthy.

01:01:54.000 Is that it?

01:01:54.000 He's in...

01:01:56.000 There's like...

01:01:56.000 You've seen the picture of his...

01:01:57.000 Well, they thought it was his house and it looks like something...

01:02:00.000 Yeah.

01:02:00.000 Like a villain would live in?

01:02:01.000 Yeah, it's like some fucking massive compound that's worth like $100 million.

01:02:05.000 I read...

01:02:06.000 Read Notice.

01:02:07.000 I don't know if you read this book.

01:02:08.000 Bill Broward, did you read this book?

01:02:09.000 Read Notice and it's about the...

01:02:11.000 Is it McGitzky Act?

01:02:12.000 It's like this...

01:02:13.000 It's basically about a guy who did like private wealth management and he got into Eastern Europe.

01:02:18.000 This is a true story.

01:02:19.000 And he got into Eastern Europe and managing money over there.

01:02:22.000 And it's about how he got tangled up in Russia and then they ended up murdering like one of his accountants. 0.58

01:02:27.000 And they tortured him so horribly that this guy then dedicated his life to getting laws passed about the way people are treated abroad.

01:02:36.000 And he talks about Vladimir Putin and he talks about how corrupt it is over there.

01:02:40.000 And it's all a true story.

01:02:41.000 I think they made a really bad movie about it.

01:02:44.000 Oh, it's insanely corrupt.

01:02:46.000 It's a really good book.

01:02:47.000 It's an insanely corrupt part of the world.

01:02:49.000 And whenever you have an autocrat, you know, whenever you have one guy that gets to stay in power for as long as he wants, which is essentially where Vladimir Putin is, a guy who poisons and kills his enemies.

01:03:01.000 It's a fucking scary situation.

01:03:04.000 Yeah, thank God we live here.

01:03:05.000 Thank God we live here.

01:03:07.000 Yeah.

01:03:07.000 I mean, it's better.

01:03:09.000 It's not ideal.

01:03:10.000 It's not the best.

01:03:11.000 But it's the best available.

01:03:12.000 I think, you know, you're allowed to...

01:03:14.000 I'm allowed to be proud to be an American and embarrassed at other times.

01:03:18.000 And I think we have an issue with people...

01:03:22.000 Not being bleeding heart patriots or you're too much of a snowflake.

01:03:27.000 You're allowed to criticize this land that you love so much.

01:03:30.000 You're allowed to express yourself.

01:03:31.000 You are allowed to express yourself.

01:03:32.000 If you don't want a person to express themselves then you don't believe in real freedom.

01:03:36.000 Because people should have the ability to express themselves incorrectly and make mistakes.

01:03:40.000 And the way to counter that is to express yourself correctly and make better points, make better arguments.

01:03:47.000 That's how we find out what's real and what's not real.

01:03:49.000 Where you can find the tyrants is who's fucking silencing people, who's stopping people from expressing themselves, who's stopping people from expressing opinions that they disagree with, that other people disagree with.

01:04:01.000 I don't have an issue with that, but I also wonder what about people who purposefully disseminate wrong information, disinformation?

01:04:08.000 Yeah, that's creepy too.

01:04:09.000 That's super creepy.

01:04:10.000 And that is also, it should be like criminally liable, right?

01:04:13.000 If you know, like if you're working for a company and that company tells you something and you know that for a fact and then you go out and spread information that is incorrect because it's in the greater interest of that company, it's criminal.

01:04:29.000 If you knew better.

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 If you knew better and you lie.

01:04:32.000 If you knew better.

01:04:32.000 And you do it for profit.

01:04:34.000 Sure.

01:04:34.000 You know, you have motive.

01:04:35.000 Yeah.

01:04:36.000 I mean, that goes back to what we're talking about, like finding the truth.

01:04:40.000 It's so difficult to know the truth sometimes with very complex issues.

01:04:44.000 It's like trying to get as many objective sources of information as possible.

01:04:49.000 And it's such a fast news cycle.

01:04:51.000 And then forming your own opinions.

01:04:52.000 Yeah.

01:04:52.000 Just you start to dig into one thing.

01:04:53.000 And at some point you have to feed yourself.

01:04:56.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 You have to have a living, you know?

01:04:59.000 And I think, too, as comics, you know, like, I have this desire to be on the right side and to know everything and to be as well-rounded as possible.

01:05:06.000 But I also have to, like, hold my daughter.

01:05:08.000 And I also have to write jokes.

01:05:10.000 And you also want to be funny.

01:05:12.000 But I just feel like the stakes are so high lately.

01:05:16.000 Yeah.

01:05:16.000 And you have the freedom to sort of at least make your own schedule.

01:05:19.000 I mean, you have shows that you have to go to, but you have most of the day.

01:05:23.000 And, you know, you have responsibilities, but some people don't even have that.

01:05:27.000 Some people don't.

01:05:32.000 Up on the news cycle with everything that's going on in the world and have an informed opinion and a hot take on every fucking...

01:05:39.000 It's too much.

01:05:40.000 It's too much.

01:05:41.000 And it's just getting worse.

01:05:43.000 It's just getting...

01:05:44.000 There's information overload.

01:05:46.000 Overload.

01:05:46.000 Content overload.

01:05:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:48.000 I saw somebody the other day said...

01:05:49.000 Because I look at a lot of TikTok and it's great sometimes and then it eats away at your brain at other times.

01:05:56.000 It was just this thing that was like, try to avoid...

01:05:58.000 I think it was called dread scheduling.

01:06:01.000 And I didn't look into it, but I was like, I try to live my life by having as few things on the calendar that I'm like, ugh, I don't want to do that.

01:06:08.000 I bet you have the ability to have a life that's dread-free, minus you've got to go to the dentist or something.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, I don't have very many dreads.

01:06:16.000 Right.

01:06:16.000 I think that's a big part of happiness, is just not booking the thing that you kind of don't want to do.

01:06:22.000 Yeah.

01:06:23.000 Well, once you're fortunate enough to be able to do that, the key is to not slide into dread just for financial gain because you're not even going to notice that money.

01:06:31.000 What you'll notice is your time being used in a way that you don't want.

01:06:36.000 And sometimes people, they can't see the forest for the trees and they just focus on money instead of focusing on just, I just want to avoid doing things that suck.

01:06:45.000 Right.

01:06:46.000 I say this to comics all the time.

01:06:49.000 When you start, it shouldn't be about the money.

01:06:52.000 And I'm saying that as a person who started with a normal day job that wasn't cool and it was a pain in the ass to get to.

01:06:58.000 And you do comedy because you love doing it.

01:07:01.000 And I had no idea the potential or how much money you can make.

01:07:03.000 I didn't know anything about the pay structure for that kind of stuff.

01:07:06.000 But it should be you're doing it.

01:07:08.000 You're doing your art because you love it.

01:07:09.000 That's part of just being an artist.

01:07:11.000 You get into private wealth management because you want to make a lot of money.

01:07:14.000 Not for the art of it.

01:07:15.000 Yeah, that's the problem with money things, you know, like equity funds and private wealth management and stock traders.

01:07:23.000 It's like the whole end goal is to accumulate numbers.

01:07:26.000 It's not to create a product that's going to enrich people's lives or be exciting for people to consume.

01:07:35.000 No, it's like you're just trying to rack up numbers.

01:07:39.000 That's a fucking empty pursuit in and of itself.

01:07:43.000 I mean, it's just a weird thing.

01:07:46.000 And you're never happy unless you make more every year than you did the previous year.

01:07:51.000 Nobody ever says, like, hey, you know, I'm locked into a pretty reasonable living, and so I'm just going to keep that going.

01:07:59.000 I'm going to maintain that.

01:07:59.000 Well, let me ask you this.

01:08:00.000 Even though it's your show, let me ask you this.

01:08:02.000 Because I get asked this all the time, and I always hate the question for many reasons.

01:08:08.000 But, like...

01:08:09.000 Do you have career goals beyond this?

01:08:11.000 Or are you like, I did it.

01:08:12.000 I'm good.

01:08:13.000 I never had any career goals.

01:08:16.000 Legitimately.

01:08:17.000 I didn't.

01:08:18.000 I just like doing things.

01:08:20.000 The things that I like to do, I try to do my best.

01:08:22.000 That's my career.

01:08:23.000 That's the healthy answer.

01:08:24.000 Yeah.

01:08:25.000 I think that's a similar answer to mine.

01:08:26.000 Because if I just decided that I have some fucking grandiose goal, like where is that going?

01:08:32.000 What if I achieve that?

01:08:33.000 Am I going to do another one and just keep pushing further and further?

01:08:36.000 I think that's madness.

01:08:37.000 I think you lose your fucking mind.

01:08:39.000 I think life is a temporary situation and you should enjoy as much of it as possible.

01:08:44.000 And I think that one of the ways that I find that I enjoy it as much as possible is if I do things that are intriguing, that are difficult and complex, and where they're challenging.

01:08:56.000 And so I overcome obstacles and I figure things out and I get better at stuff.

01:09:04.000 Whether it's communicating with people or whether it's doing stand-up or whatever you do.

01:09:07.000 I like challenging, interesting things.

01:09:10.000 Fascinating things.

01:09:11.000 You do.

01:09:11.000 And I think you've built...

01:09:15.000 Yeah.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, it's like, what am I interested in?

01:09:36.000 I mean, the only people I have on are people I either like, like you, or people that I think I want to talk to, because they have an interesting topic that they're pursuing, or some documentary, or a book they wrote, or something.

01:09:49.000 It's like, I only have people on that I'm interested in talking to.

01:09:53.000 I don't have anybody I don't care what they have to say.

01:10:04.000 And you still have to do the interview.

01:10:06.000 I've avoided that.

01:10:07.000 You have?

01:10:07.000 In the beginning even.

01:10:08.000 There was a lot of people that tried to get on the podcast that I'm not interested in.

01:10:11.000 I just said no.

01:10:13.000 I've had even confrontations with some people that want to be on.

01:10:16.000 I'm like, I'm not, I don't want to have you on.

01:10:18.000 Oh, they've come up to you and been like, I gotta get on.

01:10:20.000 Fuck yeah.

01:10:20.000 That's the best way to never have me on, or never have me have you on.

01:10:24.000 Is to get in your face?

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:25.000 Jesus Christ.

01:10:26.000 Do you think being confrontational is going to help?

01:10:28.000 I've had to do...

01:10:30.000 I've had a lot of great interviews, but sometimes I'm being interviewed and I can tell they barely know who I am and I certainly don't want to be there and I'm under my keyboard.

01:10:39.000 I'm just like squeezing my thigh because I want to be like, what are we doing here?

01:10:44.000 Please don't ask me about balancing at all.

01:10:46.000 Please don't ask me how I got into comedy.

01:10:47.000 You don't care and I don't care.

01:10:49.000 Well, they don't know what to ask.

01:10:51.000 Well, not everybody should have a fucking podcast.

01:10:55.000 I'm serious.

01:10:56.000 Everybody has one and not everybody.

01:10:58.000 There is an art to interviewing.

01:11:00.000 Like earlier when I forgot what I was saying, you weren't like, let's see, you were talking about you just sat there and let me stew.

01:11:06.000 And that is, there's an art to that.

01:11:08.000 Well, I was hoping you would come up with the thought.

01:11:10.000 Yeah.

01:11:10.000 I just gave you the chance.

01:11:11.000 I didn't want to talk over you.

01:11:13.000 Because if I talked over you, then you'd never get it.

01:11:16.000 You know, when someone starts talking over you when you're trying to think of things, then you're just reacting to them talking.

01:11:20.000 You're never going to get it.

01:11:21.000 I talk over people.

01:11:22.000 It's a bad quality of mine, and I acknowledge that.

01:11:26.000 It's a normal quality, particularly for someone who talks for a living, because you're good at it.

01:11:31.000 So you always have words that you have at the tip of your tongue that you can get out.

01:11:37.000 Sometimes...

01:11:38.000 It's a harder thing for comics when they're communicating with people is to just let that person talk.

01:11:43.000 And it's definitely a learned skill.

01:11:45.000 And I'm definitely, like, way better at it now than I was when I first started.

01:11:48.000 I... I'm not saying you weren't good at it before, but, like, I get interviewed a lot.

01:11:52.000 I think there are hosts that are good at it.

01:11:54.000 I think you're good at it.

01:11:55.000 I think Jimmy Kimmel gives, like, an elegant interview.

01:11:57.000 There are certain people...

01:11:58.000 And they're...

01:11:59.000 Just because I did that recently, I'm thinking about that.

01:12:02.000 But there really is an art to it.

01:12:03.000 And I actually...

01:12:05.000 The older I get, and maybe it is since having a baby, the less I want to volunteer.

01:12:11.000 When I talk to you, you're not ever over-enthused.

01:12:16.000 You kind of just hang back and you listen.

01:12:18.000 You have less to prove.

01:12:20.000 I like that.

01:12:21.000 To be like that, I think, is the cooler way to be versus like, yeah, also something else.

01:12:26.000 I think there's like a calmness to it that I don't think I naturally have.

01:12:30.000 I think I'm like a very, not very intense, but intense enough.

01:12:33.000 You're pretty intense.

01:12:35.000 But that's passionate.

01:12:37.000 Yeah.

01:12:38.000 You know, you have your thoughts and your opinions, and it's not like you're closed-minded to other people's opinions.

01:12:43.000 You know, but you're very strong-willed, and you have your ideas.

01:12:47.000 Willful.

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 I looked up the characteristics of Tibetan Spaniels the other day, because I have one, and it said that they're willful. 1.00

01:12:55.000 Willful.

01:12:56.000 And I was like, I get it.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, they don't want to listen.

01:13:01.000 It's a dog, though.

01:13:02.000 Pick the perfect job for it.

01:13:03.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 Well, I mean, otherwise you would never been a comic.

01:13:07.000 I think it's way harder for a woman to be a comic. 1.00

01:13:09.000 Because first of all, there's a certain prejudice that a lot of men have in the audience.

01:13:13.000 They don't want to hear a woman talk. 1.00

01:13:15.000 They don't want to hear a woman on stage. 1.00

01:13:16.000 And it's also, there's certain subjects that some men in particular don't want to hear women express.

01:13:22.000 They don't want to hear them talk about politics.

01:13:24.000 They don't want to hear them talk about, they don't want to hear them giving advice or, you know, and then when it comes to like sex talk and, you know, and a lot of men have a really difficult time with women making fun of men in their act. 0.68

01:13:37.000 So there's that.

01:13:39.000 It's challenging.

01:13:40.000 It's challenging.

01:13:41.000 I think the longer you do it, I'm lucky that the people coming out are fans.

01:13:45.000 It's not like a paper room or anything.

01:13:47.000 So I think that they come out expecting it.

01:13:49.000 And I think, particularly in this new special, I address the men up top.

01:13:54.000 I'm like, I really want to include you.

01:13:55.000 I don't look at...

01:13:57.000 I don't like that, and I talk about this too, that faux feminist, like, men are idiots, right girls? 0.94

01:14:03.000 Like, you will alienate smart women and you will alienate all the men. 1.00

01:14:07.000 I don't, I believe feminism is, like, treating them equally. 1.00

01:14:11.000 Sometimes women fuck up. 1.00

01:14:12.000 Sometimes men fuck up.

01:14:13.000 But these large generalizations of, like, men are idiots, men are dumb, right girls?

01:14:18.000 Like, I don't know who that's serving.

01:14:20.000 It's just weak.

01:14:21.000 It's just pandering.

01:14:22.000 Yeah, it's pandering.

01:14:23.000 It's just a cheap way out.

01:14:25.000 Well, I have issues with things like girlboss.

01:14:28.000 I've always shuddered at that.

01:14:30.000 Well, that is exactly why.

01:14:32.000 And I explain to women, I'm like, first of all, the women saying girlboss, usually just doing it as a marketing tool. 0.98

01:14:37.000 And you know that girlboss is bullshit because you never hear men say it.

01:14:42.000 That's how you know it's not actually empowering.

01:14:45.000 You've never heard a man be like, wow, she did two tours of Iraq and she's a doctor?

01:14:49.000 What a girlboss. 1.00

01:14:50.000 Yeah.

01:14:50.000 If your opposition in a movement doesn't go along with your ideas, then you're not gaining any ground.

01:14:57.000 And so I don't think talking to women like lobotomized idiots is feminism. 0.97

01:15:01.000 And I don't think talking to men like they're the problem is helpful.

01:15:05.000 And I think that's why at least my stand up works.

01:15:08.000 Yeah, well, it's a trap.

01:15:11.000 And I think a lot of times people, they take an easy way out with comedy.

01:15:16.000 And they try to find a way that they can mock things that's gonna work on stage, at least some people.

01:15:23.000 And then they get into that sort of fucking caricaturist view of humans.

01:15:29.000 Well, I just wonder, I like to think the older I get, this special, the last special, this special, like, the stakes are too high.

01:15:36.000 You want to make a bunch of dick jokes, that's cool too.

01:15:38.000 But if you're going to say something impactful, like, you need to be ready to defend those things that you said, those statements, and you have to back them up.

01:15:46.000 First of all, they have to be funny, but back them up with intelligence.

01:15:49.000 And I think when you come from a place of only wanting to make people feel good, my jokes are not designed to hurt, those are easier to back up versus I said something mean just for the fun of it.

01:16:00.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 I don't subscribe to that.

01:16:01.000 I don't get comics who do that.

01:16:03.000 I don't know why you do that.

01:16:04.000 I don't know why you'd set out to hurt a chunk of people deliberately.

01:16:09.000 I think they just try to get a reaction.

01:16:11.000 I think there's a lot of people out there that are just sort of fishing for a reaction.

01:16:16.000 You know, they don't even think it's funny.

01:16:17.000 They just think other people will react to it.

01:16:20.000 That's the internet.

01:16:21.000 Yeah.

01:16:21.000 That's what TikTok is.

01:16:22.000 I don't love doing this, but other people like that I do it, and that's why you're fucking depressed, America.

01:16:27.000 Do you ever look at the fucking user policy on TikTok and how invasive it is and how much it sucks your data and how much it actually, if you're on TikTok, your other computers that aren't even connected to TikTok, they have access to all that data?

01:16:44.000 It's fucking scary.

01:16:46.000 TikTok is Chinese spyware.

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:48.000 That's really what it is.

01:16:50.000 Yeah.

01:16:50.000 I don't fuck with it.

01:16:51.000 I do.

01:16:52.000 Yeah.

01:16:52.000 I watch a lot.

01:16:53.000 I don't watch it.

01:16:54.000 I don't use it.

01:16:55.000 I am very protective of my algorithm.

01:16:58.000 And I find that in watching it, I've gained an education about a lot of things, social things that I kind of just, they weren't in my purview before.

01:17:06.000 So I like that.

01:17:07.000 But I'm very protective about what I like and what I watch because it will, it'll just show you more of that.

01:17:13.000 This is a very deceptive company.

01:17:15.000 It is.

01:17:16.000 The company has been funneling information to China and pretending they're not.

01:17:20.000 It's like if you go and look at the violations and if you go look at like there was a software engineer that back engineered the TikTok software.

01:17:29.000 So it's like the most invasion of privacy software he's ever seen.

01:17:33.000 But they have this video where there's a Pomeranian.

01:17:36.000 That's how they get you.

01:17:37.000 You know, you ever seen the difference between Chinese TikTok and American TikTok?

01:17:42.000 Like American TikTok is like stupid dances and pranks.

01:17:45.000 Chinese TikTok highlights scientific achievements.

01:17:50.000 There is a difference.

01:17:51.000 My algorithm is a lot of social conversations.

01:17:55.000 It's not the dancing or anything like that.

01:17:57.000 My algorithm is almost boring.

01:18:00.000 It's a lot of etymology.

01:18:01.000 It's a lot of here's why the world is carved up how it is.

01:18:04.000 A lot about Iran recently.

01:18:06.000 It's my news feed almost.

01:18:09.000 Well, that's good.

01:18:10.000 I mean, that is an interesting thing, right?

01:18:12.000 That you can cultivate your algorithm, and you just find things you choose on, continue to click on those, and eventually it sort of sorts you out.

01:18:19.000 And I think it's more sensitive, I could be wrong about this, than the Instagram algorithm.

01:18:23.000 On TikTok, like, it almost, like, morphs in real time.

01:18:27.000 Instagram, like, I deeply don't care about Bella Hadid, and it's, like, almost all that it shows me.

01:18:32.000 Do you follow other celebrity-type things or models or something like that?

01:18:37.000 No.

01:18:38.000 Nothing like that.

01:18:39.000 She's a celebrity model. 0.99

01:18:41.000 Is that what she is? 0.99

01:18:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:42.000 And it's just constant fan accounts about her.

01:18:45.000 And I'm like, I don't know what I've ever done to deserve this.

01:18:46.000 Can you right click on that or something?

01:18:48.000 Or is there an option to say I'm not interested in this?

01:18:51.000 I do.

01:18:51.000 And it takes forever.

01:18:53.000 Maybe because I listened to The Weeknd song a week ago.

01:18:58.000 Because they dated.

01:18:59.000 Oh, they dated?

01:19:00.000 No, so I tend to move away.

01:19:03.000 That's what it does?

01:19:03.000 I mean, I'm making a joke.

01:19:05.000 You're not off.

01:19:06.000 It's weird.

01:19:07.000 I've got weird things for things.

01:19:08.000 It shouldn't be showing me stuff.

01:19:10.000 And a lot.

01:19:11.000 How are we here now?

01:19:12.000 Because I think it wants to show you because they know that people like this and I'm like, but I don't.

01:19:17.000 And Instagram's a very millennial app, and the curation of it and the way it looks, and TikTok is very Gen Z, and I enjoy TikTok, but there's something deeply dark.

01:19:27.000 The vibration of it is very low, if that makes any sense to you.

01:19:31.000 When you're on it, and I've said this before, I liken it to speed eating candy.

01:19:37.000 You're like, this is so delicious, I love this, I want more vanishing caloric density.

01:19:41.000 And then when you turn it off, you're like, I feel really awful, I feel sick.

01:19:44.000 It has a low vibration to it.

01:19:46.000 It doesn't feel positive.

01:19:48.000 Right.

01:19:48.000 You're not educating yourself.

01:19:50.000 You're just consuming short attention span nonsense.

01:19:54.000 Yes.

01:19:54.000 In the moment, I'm like, oh my god, of course I want to know Marie Antoinette's 10 favorite desserts.

01:20:00.000 That's historical.

01:20:01.000 And then you turn it off, you're like, who the fuck is going to ask me about this?

01:20:04.000 Why did I do that?

01:20:05.000 Why do I need to know what the gatekeeper at Area 51 looks like?

01:20:08.000 His favorite shirt.

01:20:09.000 What am I looking at here?

01:20:11.000 Well, it's definitely the most addictive of all the apps because everybody I know that uses it says the same thing.

01:20:17.000 They're like, dude, I can't put it down.

01:20:18.000 Can't put it down.

01:20:19.000 And I talk about it in my book.

01:20:21.000 The commodification of your own nostalgia marketed back to you by someone who never experienced it feels deeply sinister.

01:20:29.000 So like there will be accounts on there.

01:20:31.000 So I'm 39, right?

01:20:32.000 So like right now, the 90s and the 2000s are very in, right?

01:20:36.000 So you get these accounts that will be like, come along with me and remember Christmas break 2002. And they show you images that tap into your nostalgia.

01:20:43.000 And these are hyper ephemeral things and then they're gone.

01:20:46.000 And you get sad looking at it because the world feels so scary now.

01:20:50.000 But the person curating that didn't experience that.

01:20:53.000 They're just taking my memories and regurgitating them to me and monetizing them.

01:20:57.000 I think that's very Black Mirror.

01:21:00.000 That's upsetting to me.

01:21:01.000 It is very blackmail.

01:21:03.000 That's a lot of what the internet is right now is very blackmail.

01:21:06.000 It's getting very weird.

01:21:08.000 It's weird and weirder.

01:21:10.000 And if they ever institute a social credit score system, which is one of the most terrifying things that Are being discussed.

01:21:19.000 That's going to be very fucked.

01:21:21.000 Because then you're going to see incentivized behavior changes in people that are just because they're worried about losing access to their bank account or losing access to travel, which is what they have in China.

01:21:33.000 Like if you act like an asshole, you lose privileges?

01:21:36.000 Not even act like an asshole if you tweet something bad about the government, if you tweet an opinion that's unfavorable.

01:21:40.000 I mean that's what they have in China.

01:21:42.000 In China, they have a centralized currency, a digital currency, and they're trying to push for that in America.

01:21:47.000 And if they have a centralized digital currency, which means the government has access to turning on or off your ability to spend money.

01:21:54.000 So, like, say if you tweet something that you don't like this decision about Roe v.

01:21:58.000 Wade and fuck the government and fuck these old Supreme Court people, they'll stop your ability to fly. 1.00

01:22:02.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:22:03.000 That's scary.

01:22:05.000 Because that's how you engineer social behavior.

01:22:09.000 You can engineer it with a social credit score system.

01:22:12.000 Right.

01:22:12.000 And it will 100% be engineered towards maintaining profits for...

01:22:19.000 Someone.

01:22:19.000 Someone somewhere.

01:22:20.000 Yeah.

01:22:20.000 Whatever special interest groups, funding whatever campaign...

01:22:23.000 Well, that's the argument.

01:22:25.000 On the other side, when you talk about freedom, when people shit on America and they're like, oh, I hate when people talk about Nazi Germany or the Holocaust because it's people who are just using it as a pawn in an argument.

01:22:36.000 The fact that I'm allowed to sit here and say whatever the fuck I want and there's not secret police outside...

01:22:42.000 Yeah.

01:22:42.000 Is a beautiful thing.

01:22:44.000 And yes, there are countries where you can also do that.

01:22:47.000 But that is something that's very special.

01:22:50.000 Like, I am not afraid.

01:22:51.000 I'm afraid of some people saying horrible things to me.

01:22:54.000 But I'm not afraid of my financial viability and my family's safety.

01:22:58.000 Right.

01:22:59.000 Because I said I don't like a government decision or the president or whatever.

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:03.000 Well, that's the level of freedom that we have here that doesn't exist in Iran, for example.

01:23:09.000 You know, this woman who was killed for not having her headscarf on properly. 0.66

01:23:15.000 It has ignited this wave of protests all over the world and all through Iran where they're just really freaking out and recognizing, like, this has got to fucking change.

01:23:23.000 So her name was Masamini and they have this morality police there.

01:23:27.000 So her hijab was off by like an inch or two.

01:23:29.000 And they will come and take you even if you are properly dressed.

01:23:32.000 It's just this like downer police that comes and they beat her into a coma.

01:23:37.000 Another girl recently, I have goosebumps because I reposted a story about her, really pretty girl dancing on TikTok, murdered.

01:23:44.000 Like they just come and take you.

01:23:46.000 And I'm on TikTok and there's footage of this, of these people being arrested and beaten and killed and they're saying the government is turning off our internet.

01:23:56.000 Please be our voice.

01:23:57.000 And so then you start to think like as a woman, as an American, like how can I help this?

01:24:03.000 You can't like donate money.

01:24:04.000 They're literally saying please show the world because we can't.

01:24:08.000 And it's happening to girls, normal girls that could be one of your friends.

01:24:14.000 And it's so terrifying.

01:24:15.000 And that's what this uprising is.

01:24:17.000 Like, at a certain point, sometimes just, like, enough is enough.

01:24:20.000 And that's what they're doing.

01:24:21.000 And I've just done my part in trying to amplify that for them and sharing those videos, because I think a lot of people don't know that's happening.

01:24:28.000 We don't live in a world where the government, I mean, they control a lot, but, like, they're controlling your internet.

01:24:33.000 Like, they're not going to turn your internet off.

01:24:35.000 It was privatized.

01:24:36.000 And so that's what's happening with them.

01:24:39.000 And they're in the streets and there's footage of girls, like, pushing back against guards coming to their schools, trying to arrest them.

01:24:45.000 Yeah.

01:24:45.000 Civil unrest in the streets.

01:24:47.000 Families just being murdered.

01:24:48.000 Girls, young girls just being killed.

01:24:50.000 I think somebody said something, I don't know if this was right, that, like, 80% of the population in Iran is, like, Gen Z or something because of how many people get killed.

01:24:59.000 It's like, don't quote me on that.

01:25:00.000 But there's...

01:25:01.000 It's a crazy thing.

01:25:02.000 And this is not, I think it's very easy for people to look at the Middle East and think of it as the way that we portray it in movies.

01:25:08.000 But Iran was a normal, I mean, we have a lot of Jews and a lot of non-Jews in LA that are Persian that came there with tons of money, you know, after the ousting of the Shah in the 70s.

01:25:19.000 This was a place that had movie theaters and women wearing skirts and like it was normal, kind of like Afghanistan was at some point. 0.96

01:25:25.000 The way that these women are being treated now, this was not the way that it always was. 0.94

01:25:29.000 Right.

01:25:30.000 And they deserve fucking better.

01:25:32.000 Nobody deserves anything even close to it.

01:25:34.000 It's very scary when a country can decline into a religious dictatorship.

01:25:42.000 That a country that didn't used to be because it makes you worry like could that happen here like or any kind of dictatorship like one of I was having a conversation with a friend of mine We were talking about North Korea and I had young me Kim on young me Park rather on who?

01:25:56.000 Escape from North Korea. 0.98

01:25:58.000 This is a harrowing story.

01:26:00.000 I mean and she's she's a really incredible person and the way she Tells her story and what she went through right to get out and eventually get to America and And we were talking about it and I was like, you know what's fucked is like that is happening right now in 2022 with human beings in the world.

01:26:20.000 And that is not happening in America, but it could.

01:26:24.000 All we would need is a series of events to go horribly wrong, whether it's some kind of chaotic war, shutting off the power grid, some sort of a civil unrest, something...

01:26:34.000 Crazy.

01:26:35.000 Where some faction of government offered a solution and came in and cracked down on everybody and instituted very rigid guidelines on how you could behave and react.

01:26:44.000 And that's what they did in Korea.

01:26:45.000 They said that, in North Korea, they took away people's land and they said, we're going to make sure that you always have food and the way we're going to do this is to take away your land.

01:26:53.000 So they took away everybody's land and then they were fucked.

01:26:56.000 And then no one had any power.

01:26:57.000 Starving.

01:26:57.000 No one could do anything.

01:26:58.000 Yeah.

01:26:58.000 They had a—I've watched a couple documentaries on North Korea.

01:27:02.000 They had a government program, and the plant was called, like, Let's All Eat One Meal a Day, where everybody—like, they tried to brainwash people into thinking, like, this was the way to be.

01:27:11.000 And there was no grain and no rice, no food.

01:27:14.000 Everybody got one meal.

01:27:15.000 And when people would visit, like, foreign emissaries, whatever— Yeah.

01:27:32.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:27:34.000 That's the thing.

01:27:37.000 I think about all the time.

01:27:39.000 I get nervous about our country being headed for a civil war because of the disparity between the two sides.

01:27:46.000 And I think about that.

01:27:47.000 And I think about I get very upset.

01:27:50.000 Of course, I have a daughter.

01:27:51.000 But I think about I don't know that I have the financial resources to be OK if that broke out.

01:27:56.000 I don't know how to start a fire.

01:27:57.000 I don't know how to purify my own water.

01:28:00.000 I think about those kind of weird things because what do you do?

01:28:04.000 Well, that's a worry for sure, how to get food, how to get water.

01:28:09.000 The real worry is people.

01:28:11.000 When people get desperate and people get scared and when the resources run low, that's when lawlessness happens.

01:28:18.000 And then you get a Mad Max type deal.

01:28:20.000 And it's possible.

01:28:23.000 It'll be over water, I believe.

01:28:24.000 Could be.

01:28:25.000 Yeah.

01:28:26.000 Could be over water.

01:28:27.000 It could be over food, power.

01:28:28.000 It could be over, you know, energy consumption.

01:28:32.000 It could be over a lot of things.

01:28:34.000 All it would take to really have complete unrest in this country is the power to go out for a month.

01:28:39.000 Don't say that.

01:28:40.000 It's true.

01:28:41.000 Don't say it because then someone will do it.

01:28:43.000 Well, they already know.

01:28:44.000 They already know.

01:28:45.000 It happened in Texas, didn't it?

01:28:48.000 No.

01:28:48.000 It almost happened.

01:28:51.000 It's happening in California constantly.

01:28:53.000 They tell you to buy an electric car.

01:28:55.000 No gas-consuming vehicles, no internal combustion engines be sold after 2035. And then the next week, they say, don't charge your car.

01:29:06.000 Right.

01:29:06.000 Because the power grid can't handle it.

01:29:08.000 Again, what is a person supposed to do?

01:29:10.000 That's a good question.

01:29:11.000 And then I have a car that's a hybrid, and the computer died, and now it's got a...

01:29:16.000 They're like, we need to call Ukraine to get a part. 0.78

01:29:18.000 I'm like, war-torn Ukraine?

01:29:19.000 That's where their priority is sending me a part for my Volvo?

01:29:22.000 Cool.

01:29:22.000 Psst.

01:29:23.000 Like you're so fucked.

01:29:24.000 You're so at the bottom of a food chain.

01:29:26.000 Yeah.

01:29:27.000 Well, that's the problem with not having American manufacturing.

01:29:30.000 You know, one of the companies I work with is Origin.

01:29:33.000 It's a company that's trying to bring back American manufacturing clothes and they make shoes and now they're making like hunting wear and they're trying to...

01:29:42.000 Everything is made in America.

01:29:44.000 The cloth, the stitching, the thread, it's...

01:29:46.000 It's put together in America.

01:29:48.000 Is it at a reasonable price point for what it is?

01:29:50.000 It's a very reasonable price point.

01:29:51.000 And they're trying to make the best stuff they can with what we have here.

01:29:55.000 With what we have here.

01:29:55.000 Because when you saw during the pandemic, one of the things that was really scary was how much medicine is made overseas.

01:30:00.000 Right.

01:30:00.000 And how it was very difficult to get things like computer chips.

01:30:04.000 Oh, my God.

01:30:04.000 And from Taiwan, all of this stuff.

01:30:06.000 We, I believe, bringing jobs here, creating a robust infrastructure, and being self-reliant, not on foreign oil, not on foreign anything...

01:30:16.000 It can't just be that our number one export is military services and entertainment in this podcast.

01:30:21.000 Yeah, it's not good.

01:30:23.000 And I think there's a lot of people that woke up to that during the pandemic, but probably not enough.

01:30:28.000 Because as soon as things kind of semi go back to normal, people relax and go with the old ways.

01:30:33.000 And it's just cheaper to get...

01:30:35.000 Everyone wants to be a social justice warrior, right?

01:30:37.000 Everyone wants to talk about injustice in the world, and they want to do it from a fucking phone that's made by slaves. 1.00

01:30:42.000 And that's real.

01:30:44.000 Your fucking phone is pieced together by people who can't afford to do anything else, and they're working 16 hours a day in China. 1.00

01:30:49.000 Well, that's why it's also cheap, because of foreign labor laws. 0.59

01:30:51.000 Exactly.

01:30:51.000 We don't have that here.

01:30:52.000 We have unions and these types of civil rights. 0.98

01:30:55.000 And so, by and large, you're not getting Made in America because it is cheaper.

01:30:59.000 People make more money when they do it somewhere else.

01:31:02.000 But I want to know how much cheaper.

01:31:03.000 How much more would I have to pay for an iPhone if they made it in Ohio?

01:31:07.000 Will you pay people a reasonable living wage, give people health benefits, and let them live well?

01:31:13.000 But how much would it cost?

01:31:14.000 Would it cost twice as much?

01:31:16.000 Because I'd pay twice as much.

01:31:17.000 If they had an American version of these phones and a Chinese version of the phones, and the American version was 50% more or whatever, I'd fucking pay it.

01:31:27.000 I think as long as people in positions of power stand and make a lot of money, then they don't really care about a crumbling infrastructure.

01:31:34.000 If I am a CEO of a company and my job is to the shareholders, my mission is to them, and profit margins, I will take this to another country, and I won't care when this all burns because I'll be on a yacht to Mars.

01:31:46.000 Hmm, maybe.

01:31:47.000 But I would think that if a company came along that did offer an American-made solution where you don't have to feel gross about buying something that you know is made by people that are working for an insanely low amount of money with no benefits whatsoever,

01:32:04.000 or a place like Foxconn where they make iPhones where they have fucking nets around the building because so many people have jumped off the building and committed suicide that they surround the building with nets.

01:32:14.000 Did you know that?

01:32:15.000 No.

01:32:16.000 Foxconn.

01:32:16.000 Google this.

01:32:18.000 Foxconn, the company that Apple employed or contracted to construct iPhones, put them together.

01:32:26.000 In China?

01:32:26.000 They're so fucked and the working conditions are so horrific that they put nets around these buildings because so many people were jumping to their deaths.

01:32:37.000 Wow.

01:32:38.000 That's another thing.

01:32:39.000 Right to death.

01:32:40.000 Do you have the right to death?

01:32:41.000 You do in Oregon.

01:32:42.000 Right.

01:32:43.000 I have a friend who's dying right now and he's trying to go to Oregon.

01:32:46.000 He has ALS and it's really bad.

01:32:48.000 Oh, that's so awful.

01:32:49.000 And he's trying to figure out what to do and, you know, insurance changed his medication and he's in constant pain now and he's falling apart.

01:32:57.000 That's so fucked up.

01:32:58.000 And it's one of those deteriorating, debilitating conditions that doesn't seem to be a real clear...

01:33:04.000 No, you don't get better from that.

01:33:05.000 No, nothing.

01:33:06.000 There's some hope so far with, recently rather, I should say, with stem cell treatments.

01:33:10.000 Yeah.

01:33:11.000 I don't, I mean, that's...

01:33:12.000 So this is it.

01:33:13.000 Okay.

01:33:13.000 Those are the nets around Foxconn to keep people from jumping off the fucking roof to their dent.

01:33:17.000 That's going to catch you from the 12th story?

01:33:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:21.000 I mean, it's not 12-story, but it's high enough to kill you.

01:33:26.000 Oh, you say you make an iPhone.

01:33:27.000 I thought it would be like a giant factory.

01:33:29.000 Well, it's a big factory.

01:33:31.000 It just doesn't have a lot of floors.

01:33:33.000 But so many people were climbing up there and jumping to their death that they put fucking nets around the building.

01:33:38.000 And look at how these people work just all day, 16 hours a day.

01:33:43.000 Go back to that picture that you just showed, Jamie.

01:33:45.000 Look at this.

01:33:47.000 One million workers, 90 million iPhones, 17 suicides.

01:33:51.000 Who's to blame?

01:33:52.000 Yeah, that article was from 2011. Yeah, so it's a lot more now.

01:33:55.000 And that was 2011. The iPhone was only like five years old then, right?

01:34:01.000 When was it?

01:34:02.000 Something like that?

01:34:04.000 I think this goes to...

01:34:06.000 It's such a blurry – the lines are so blurred because there's corporate responsibility, there's civil responsibility, there's moral obligation.

01:34:16.000 And so I think we have – in my book I talk about – I'm disgusted with the number of options we have.

01:34:23.000 Like there's like eight different colors of blue for Crocs.

01:34:28.000 And I'm disgusted at that.

01:34:29.000 I'm disgusted that—and that's just a piece of plastic that's eventually going to go into the earth.

01:34:33.000 That grosses me out.

01:34:34.000 But people are buying it.

01:34:36.000 So it's not like we're inundated.

01:34:37.000 Like, people are buying—they clearly want all those options.

01:34:40.000 Why does that bother you?

01:34:41.000 It bothers me, I guess, because overconsumption, conspicuous consumption grosses me out.

01:34:46.000 The overconsumption of luxury grosses me out.

01:34:50.000 And just how materialistic our society is.

01:34:53.000 Look, I drive a nice car.

01:34:55.000 I own a home.

01:34:56.000 Do you own any Crocs?

01:34:57.000 I don't own Crocs.

01:34:59.000 I'm not a big, like, I just, it is all damaging for the planet, but you cannot, to blame one branch of that as if this is, they're operating independently.

01:35:09.000 Like, this is all just feeding it, and it's so hard to stand for anything, because at the end of the day, you know, like, oh, I hate capitalism.

01:35:17.000 It's like, oh, but I really want those cups overnight, so I'll use Amazon.

01:35:20.000 Right.

01:35:21.000 Every day you wake up and you just have to decide what part of the environment do you want to hurt.

01:35:26.000 And you can.

01:35:27.000 You're right.

01:35:27.000 You're sitting there from a phone and you're sitting there.

01:35:30.000 I talk about this in my book and you're sitting there.

01:35:32.000 Anything you stand for, you are ripped apart for because you didn't stand for something else based on when someone saw you.

01:35:39.000 So I'm sitting here and I'm like, we have to save the environment.

01:35:41.000 And then someone will be like, why are you talking about the environment when women in Iran are dying?

01:35:45.000 Why are you talking about Iran when over here, black children are dying? 1.00

01:35:48.000 Why are you talking about that?

01:35:49.000 Don't you care about trans lives?

01:35:50.000 Like, whatever you stand for, you're faulted because you didn't fix everything in the moment.

01:35:55.000 Well, that's also social media again.

01:35:56.000 Which becomes very real.

01:35:58.000 It's people not having a nuanced perspective on...

01:36:02.000 On life in general.

01:36:04.000 And looking for people to be assholes.

01:36:07.000 Looking for people to blame for things.

01:36:10.000 But also looking for people to be your end-all be-all.

01:36:13.000 You know, asking your celebrities to be a certain thing or to be a good model for your children.

01:36:18.000 You're like, you're an artist.

01:36:20.000 I'm here to entertain people.

01:36:21.000 If you don't like something or if that offends you or hurts your kids, then you can control that.

01:36:26.000 You should not be looking to anyone to be your god on earth.

01:36:30.000 No.

01:36:31.000 And if Kim Kardashian wants to put fat in her butt, what do you care? 0.99

01:36:35.000 I don't care and Instagram thinks I care and I deeply, deeply don't.

01:36:40.000 I was reading something that there's a lot of women who are taking some new, there's some like an injection that kills your appetite and they're doing it, what is it called? 1.00

01:36:53.000 I actually know exactly what you're talking about because someone...

01:36:56.000 What is it called?

01:36:59.000 It mimics, had you had like the stomach surgery, like in terms of appetite curbing?

01:37:05.000 Right.

01:37:05.000 I know this because yesterday someone told me that someone they know got it.

01:37:09.000 They were talking about the Kardashians and they were talking about how they lose all this weight, like the larger girl, Chloe.

01:37:16.000 They were saying that she's always had a problem with weight and now she's ripped and that this is what these people are taking. 1.00

01:37:22.000 She's larger.

01:37:25.000 You know what the conspiracy on that one is?

01:37:27.000 She's O.J. Simpson's daughter?

01:37:28.000 Yeah, that's a conspiracy.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, I'd buy it.

01:37:31.000 I'd like to get a strand of her hair and run it through a lab. 1.00

01:37:34.000 I bet you can.

01:37:34.000 I bet they'd sell it to you.

01:37:38.000 How much?

01:37:39.000 I don't know.

01:37:41.000 You just have to brush up against her.

01:37:42.000 True.

01:37:43.000 You probably couldn't get that close.

01:37:44.000 No.

01:37:45.000 Security tackle you.

01:37:47.000 There's that fine line, you know, as a woman, it's like you don't want to win or whatever. 1.00

01:37:52.000 I have an issue with that whole family's ethos.

01:37:55.000 There were parts of them that I thought were so good.

01:37:58.000 The older parts.

01:37:59.000 And...

01:38:01.000 I guess at the end of the day, this goes back to, you know, you can't have someone be your end-all be-all, like whatever they do.

01:38:06.000 They seem sad and they live in this bubble.

01:38:10.000 They probably have a lot of yes people.

01:38:12.000 I think as a consumer, put on your fucking hat and realize like these people are not – We're good to go.

01:38:43.000 And this is not a happy person.

01:38:45.000 But this is also a person who's been called the larger one and ugly and all these things her whole life.

01:38:50.000 So that's probably...

01:38:50.000 This is larger.

01:38:51.000 She is larger.

01:38:52.000 Psychologically...

01:38:52.000 It's not your fault.

01:38:54.000 Psychologically damaging, but...

01:38:55.000 She's... 1.00

01:38:55.000 This shot works. 1.00

01:38:57.000 I can't believe people...

01:38:58.000 I can't believe people keep buying into this.

01:39:00.000 I haven't taken it yet.

01:39:01.000 Is it that?

01:39:01.000 Is it that NFT? Are you worried about...

01:39:04.000 Is your appetite bothering you?

01:39:08.000 No, it wasn't that.

01:39:09.000 It's called...

01:39:09.000 I believe this is what it's called.

01:39:11.000 What's it called?

01:39:12.000 Semaglutide is the actual drug, but there's other names for it.

01:39:18.000 Right there.

01:39:19.000 How many times the Kardashians tried to sell us?

01:39:21.000 I was trying to see if this is what you were actually talking about.

01:39:23.000 That is semaglutide is what I read.

01:39:25.000 Yeah.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, so, no, I think I asked them for like a weight loss something because of the stuff I was taking.

01:39:31.000 I was like, I should be losing weight.

01:39:32.000 And they were like, oh, take this.

01:39:33.000 Well, what are you eating, buddy?

01:39:35.000 No, I changed my diet a little bit.

01:39:36.000 First of all, you're not big.

01:39:37.000 You're not a big boy.

01:39:38.000 That's why I haven't taken it yet at all either.

01:39:39.000 Can I say he's a big boy?

01:39:40.000 Is that all right?

01:39:41.000 You can say he's a big boy.

01:39:42.000 You can say big boy.

01:39:43.000 You can't say big girl.

01:39:44.000 Big boy's a little, yeah.

01:39:45.000 Yeah, it's less offensive.

01:39:46.000 You can say big girls. 0.92

01:39:47.000 My thing about the Kardashians is, this is my take, is human beings should have personal sovereignty.

01:39:54.000 And someone shouldn't influence you that much.

01:39:56.000 If that bothers you so much that they're materialistic and that they get their butts done, that's on you.

01:40:01.000 And the problem, though, is I'm saying this as a 55-year-old wealthy man.

01:40:06.000 And I'm not influenced by them.

01:40:08.000 But if I was a young girl and I looked to them as being the...

01:40:12.000 That's one of the things that really fucks with people on social media is that you're looking at other people as...

01:40:17.000 These are examples of what's ideal.

01:40:20.000 And then if your body doesn't match that, if your lifestyle doesn't match that, and then you have this horrible feeling...

01:40:28.000 That you're not valuable, you're not worthy.

01:40:30.000 And so the problem is that a lot of people look to these very wealthy people with all this plastic surgery is that that is the highest level of achievement because these are the most popular people, the most social media, and the most money, and it influences people in a negative way.

01:40:46.000 I agree with all of it.

01:40:48.000 I agree with all of it.

01:40:50.000 You know, if you're younger, that's not your fault that you are looking at that.

01:40:55.000 If you are older, and we'll say, like, if you're in your 30s, you have seen this family in particular, but just in general, you've seen social media grow, and you've seen this family grow, and you've seen all of the snake oil over all this time.

01:41:08.000 So for you to be surprised or let down at this point is really more an indictment on your intelligence.

01:41:14.000 Right.

01:41:14.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 Really?

01:41:15.000 Like, you think the family that would sell their own children for money, you think the family that sold you tummy tea and diarrhea pills, you think the family...

01:41:24.000 What, they had diarrhea pills?

01:41:25.000 Diarrhea pills.

01:41:26.000 You think this...

01:41:26.000 But did they really have diarrhea pills?

01:41:28.000 I think their detox tea gives you diarrhea.

01:41:30.000 Does it?

01:41:30.000 That's how you detox.

01:41:31.000 You take a shit.

01:41:33.000 I don't think that's the mechanism involved in detoxification.

01:41:38.000 Detox tea.

01:41:39.000 But you would also not take...

01:41:39.000 That's why it's not real.

01:41:41.000 But what is it?

01:41:42.000 Tummy teas, they make you take a dump. 0.99

01:41:44.000 I literally have never...

01:41:45.000 Dump it out, Joe.

01:41:46.000 I've heard people say tummy tea.

01:41:48.000 The most thought I've given to it is saying those words.

01:41:51.000 Yeah.

01:41:52.000 That's what it is.

01:41:53.000 Just there.

01:41:53.000 I've never thought about it at all.

01:41:54.000 Chances are it involves taking a shit.

01:41:56.000 Do you know what it is?

01:41:57.000 Even the semi-glutide is going to make you have diarrhea.

01:41:59.000 Where do you think these times have got to escape from somewhere?

01:42:02.000 You're not sweating out the fat like someone putting in work.

01:42:05.000 But tummy tea, is that real?

01:42:07.000 What the fuck does that do?

01:42:08.000 Does it just kill your appetite?

01:42:10.000 This was like early 2000s Instagram marketing tummy tea.

01:42:14.000 These are like detox teas.

01:42:15.000 And these family hair gummies, everything, they push to make your hair grow.

01:42:20.000 They sell everything.

01:42:20.000 But isn't it collagen?

01:42:21.000 Like hair, it probably actually does help the health of hair.

01:42:25.000 You can take biotin.

01:42:26.000 Biotin? 0.86

01:42:27.000 You know, but like I take biotin.

01:42:29.000 I'm never going to have like lustrous pony hair.

01:42:32.000 Like, it will grow in.

01:42:33.000 I had a baby, so it's like, you know what I look like?

01:42:36.000 All the hairs in the front broke.

01:42:38.000 You know how, like, Puerto Rican guys get, like, the Caesar? 1.00

01:42:40.000 Like, it's a very, like, Guido look?

01:42:41.000 That's what I have.

01:42:42.000 Like, a full Caesar in the front.

01:42:44.000 Because your hair breaks.

01:42:45.000 And it will never look great.

01:42:47.000 No matter how much biotin I take.

01:42:49.000 And so I think at a certain age it's on you.

01:42:51.000 Like if you're still looking at these petulant women as some source of inspiration, like that's on you. 1.00

01:42:57.000 Yeah.

01:42:58.000 Yeah, I think so too.

01:42:59.000 But I think you're right about young people. 0.96

01:43:02.000 The thing that's fucked is that...

01:43:05.000 That empty pursuit of fame for no reason like it used to be that if someone and if you want if you were younger and you look to some Celebrity that was a singer Beyonce or whoever it was you're like god.

01:43:17.000 I wish I was like her right well, that's someone who's like putting out like This incredible work of art that affects millions of people.

01:43:24.000 They dance to it.

01:43:25.000 They sing to it.

01:43:26.000 Like, it's very inspirational and aspirational.

01:43:28.000 Like, God, that would be amazing to be like her.

01:43:31.000 She inspired me to get into music.

01:43:33.000 She inspired me to pursue my dreams.

01:43:35.000 But when the dreams are just like making money and like sticking your ass out and, you know, and just taking these doctored pictures.

01:43:46.000 I don't feel the need to defend this family.

01:43:50.000 The one thing I will say, you know, you have someone, however this came about, made a sex tape with a guy she was dating.

01:43:57.000 And that guy's obviously a scumbag.

01:43:58.000 I can respect that she didn't just lay down.

01:44:02.000 And I'm saying this as a joke.

01:44:03.000 And take it.

01:44:04.000 Like, that tape leaked or however they got a hold of it.

01:44:06.000 This was going to be used against her.

01:44:07.000 This guy had the tape and he's had other tapes.

01:44:10.000 And to pivot, because there are plenty of people who have leaked sex tapes that have not risen like a phoenix, right?

01:44:15.000 Yeah.

01:44:16.000 I can be okay with that and I can be okay with, and I will say this.

01:44:20.000 And I feel like we talked about this on the podcast, but like, if you are not real thin, if you have thighs, if you are, you know, and this is for a lot of women of color in particular, but even if you're just a white girl and you don't have Nordic model boy hips, these women sort of... 1.00

01:44:55.000 I'm just appalled at them.

01:44:58.000 But I can respect making it okay if you have naturally the curvy body that they have surgery to get.

01:45:03.000 If you have a body like that, I can respect creating a place where as a girl you might feel okay about the body that you have.

01:45:09.000 The fucked up thing about that whole skinny look, like really scrawny look that some women think is attractive, like men don't think it's attractive. 0.63

01:45:18.000 That's not something that guys like in general.

01:45:21.000 It actually has less to do with guys and more to do with an inculcation of an ideal, a brainwashing that is hard to unscrub.

01:45:32.000 Isn't it from modeling photos?

01:45:34.000 Because models hang.

01:45:36.000 They're like hangers.

01:45:37.000 The clothing hangs in a lot.

01:45:38.000 A lot of gay guys model and they model women's bodies after boys' bodies, right? 1.00

01:45:42.000 This is all about how the clothes will hang and it's so built into our society to be smaller, which ties to feminism and making yourself smaller. 1.00

01:45:49.000 But I cannot, even though I love my body, like I look at those women and I'm like, that's what you want.

01:45:55.000 Really skinny?

01:45:57.000 I'll never have it.

01:45:58.000 It doesn't matter.

01:45:58.000 But most women, like it's just a brainwashing thing.

01:46:02.000 You can't get out of that?

01:46:03.000 You can acknowledge that that's unattainable.

01:46:06.000 And I talked about this in my stand-up forever ago.

01:46:08.000 Every girl looks at her body like, I just want to lose five pounds. 1.00

01:46:12.000 Even if you don't need to, like it's a thing.

01:46:14.000 And it has less to do with being attractive to a man and just being acceptable.

01:46:20.000 And most men, good guys, they don't think about women.

01:46:24.000 I always try to explain to women like the thing that what you're putting your body through and what you're putting yourself through mentally with thinking you're unacceptable.

01:46:32.000 Most men aren't looking at you like that.

01:46:34.000 You at your worst, your husband's probably still like, that looks really good.

01:46:38.000 Right?

01:46:38.000 Like, if your wife didn't shave her legs perfectly, are you going to leave the room?

01:46:42.000 No.

01:46:43.000 And I think this has to do with self-esteem and the way that we treat, that we educate women and the disinformation about their bodies, vaginas, thighs, hips, all that stuff that good men don't actually care about all that bullshit. 0.81

01:46:57.000 Yeah, I think it's the skinny, the really skinny thing.

01:47:01.000 It has to be from models.

01:47:03.000 It is.

01:47:03.000 It has to be because it's not like evolutionarily.

01:47:06.000 It's not an attractive frame.

01:47:08.000 Like evolutionarily, they say that wide hips and large breasts and all that indicates fertility. 0.98

01:47:15.000 That's exactly right.

01:47:16.000 That's why men are attracted to it naturally.

01:47:18.000 That's exactly right.

01:47:19.000 But that skinny thing is just...

01:47:21.000 It's so odd because when you see the cover of Vogue or Vanity Fair and there's some girl with that gaunt face and they're walking and swishing with this little tiny frame body, because something's unattainable, sometimes it becomes very attractive to people that can't attain it.

01:47:37.000 It's also ubiquitous.

01:47:38.000 For the longest time, up until quite recently, that is what was shown to you.

01:47:44.000 Those models, those designers show those models in pictures, in magazines.

01:47:52.000 Your body was wrong and that's what it should look like. 0.96

01:47:54.000 And clothing was made for those bodies.

01:47:57.000 And so you grow up and then all of a sudden all bodies all shapes are acceptable but we can't undo the brainwashing in the back of your brain of like your whole upbringing knowing that like because you didn't look like that your body was wrong.

01:48:08.000 I wonder if there's ever been a study on the uptick in anorexia in like accordance with like how it correlates with fashion magazines.

01:48:19.000 I think it's something like 100%.

01:48:21.000 Like when did it happen?

01:48:24.000 Like, was anorexia around in the 1800s where people were starving to death?

01:48:28.000 So, being thin, being fat was always a sign of wealth.

01:48:32.000 I'm positive that you know this.

01:48:33.000 Yeah.

01:48:34.000 And the ability to, like, have food and have animal meat and chew the fat actually comes from when you'd have your neighbors over, you would break out the fat and you would chew on it with your neighbors.

01:48:44.000 This is, like, pre-industrial revolution.

01:48:45.000 Yeah.

01:48:48.000 And the way women's bodies looked, an hourglass figure was seen as attractive. 1.00

01:48:52.000 But you can't exacerbate your hourglass figure without a whalebone corset.

01:48:58.000 And people would faint from these.

01:48:59.000 That's why we had fainting couches. 1.00

01:49:00.000 So women's bodies were always through the lens of what looked fertile to a man. 1.00

01:49:06.000 And so much of this stuff fluctuates so much.

01:49:10.000 A tan, having a tan, which is like so important now, used to be a sign that you worked in the fields, that you worked outside.

01:49:19.000 Coco Chanel came back from the French Riviera with a tan, and all of a sudden everybody wanted one.

01:49:23.000 These things are ephemeral.

01:49:25.000 These things are fleeting.

01:49:25.000 These things are minute-to-minute thin eyebrows, you know, now have bushy eyebrows.

01:49:30.000 Kim Kardashian always had a black woman's body. 1.00

01:49:33.000 She modeled her body after a black woman's body. 1.00

01:49:35.000 That is a fact.

01:49:36.000 Having the bigger butt.

01:49:37.000 She had a bigger butt, but getting bigger, bigger thighs. 1.00

01:49:39.000 None of it.

01:49:40.000 Her thighs were thin. 0.72

01:49:41.000 It never matched her butt. 0.54

01:49:42.000 She was emulating what a lot of women of color naturally have. 1.00

01:49:46.000 Then she stops dating black men.

01:49:48.000 And she starts dating Pete Davidson.

01:49:50.000 And all of a sudden, she's thin.

01:49:52.000 And I think that's disgusting.

01:49:54.000 Have your body.

01:49:55.000 Go with that aesthetic.

01:49:56.000 Be what you want to be.

01:49:57.000 Move into it.

01:49:58.000 But why shouldn't she have the choice?

01:49:59.000 She does have the choice.

01:50:00.000 So why is it disgusting?

01:50:01.000 If she doesn't like the big butt, big tit look and she wants to shrink her body down? 1.00

01:50:07.000 It doesn't feel like it's for you.

01:50:09.000 I don't know about that.

01:50:10.000 You have to ask her.

01:50:11.000 But also it's reinventing yourself.

01:50:14.000 It's like a Madonna thing.

01:50:15.000 She's always reinventing her look or was back in the day.

01:50:18.000 Changing your hair color is one thing.

01:50:20.000 Getting really toned is another thing.

01:50:22.000 This is a huge difference based on the type of person that you're dating.

01:50:27.000 Or semaglutide.

01:50:29.000 Get that semi-glutide.

01:50:30.000 Maybe it's a tummy tea.

01:50:32.000 I don't know what it is.

01:50:33.000 Tummy tea gives you diarrhea.

01:50:35.000 In medieval times, this goes back to...

01:50:37.000 Oh, anorexia.

01:50:38.000 History of anorexia nervosa began descriptions of religious fasting during the Hellenistic era.

01:50:54.000 Yeah.

01:50:55.000 Yeah.

01:51:04.000 Mirabilis?

01:51:05.000 Mirabilis.

01:51:06.000 The earliest medical descriptions of anorexic illnesses are generally credited to English physician Richard Morton in 1889. Oh, excuse me.

01:51:16.000 1689. There's an inextricable connection between women losing weight and, like they talk about this one, your connection to being pious.

01:51:24.000 And you can even see that connection today when you see women. 0.98

01:51:28.000 Look at their Instagram profile, right?

01:51:30.000 We're good to go.

01:51:40.000 Did you ever read the Canterbury Tales?

01:51:42.000 No.

01:51:42.000 One of the characters, I want to say it was the prioress, who was this like very pious holy woman, but he goes into great length describing how expensive her outfit was.

01:51:52.000 And there's this connection like looking expensive, being close to godliness.

01:51:57.000 Like the better I look, like clearly I'm a good Christian.

01:52:01.000 Like look at how thin I am.

01:52:02.000 Look how small I've made myself.

01:52:03.000 Look at how much I've done this.

01:52:05.000 And you're actually just keeping yourself weaker.

01:52:07.000 You don't see men doing that as much.

01:52:09.000 So it all has to do with contrition, being small, and staying in line.

01:52:17.000 Yeah, that's interesting, right?

01:52:19.000 There's not a lot of anorexia with men, is there?

01:52:21.000 Some men.

01:52:22.000 I mean, it's a thing.

01:52:23.000 Guys have it.

01:52:24.000 Yep.

01:52:25.000 A lot of...

01:52:26.000 Let's see.

01:52:27.000 Google this.

01:52:28.000 It says it in here.

01:52:30.000 But it goes into other body dysmorphia.

01:52:33.000 Body dysmorphia.

01:52:34.000 Men's using steroids and other things like that. 0.97

01:52:36.000 Right.

01:52:36.000 But what is the percentage of men versus women that have anorexia?

01:52:42.000 How much of a disparity is it?

01:52:43.000 Because it must be.

01:52:44.000 Estimated to occur in 0.9 to 4.3% of women and 0.2 to 0.3% of men in Western countries at some point in their life.

01:52:51.000 So it's a big jump.

01:52:53.000 Yeah.

01:52:54.000 There's so much—I mean, we are—I mean, the first thing you often talk about with a woman is her body or her looks, and then we get into something else.

01:53:02.000 You know, you're so—we lead with that.

01:53:03.000 Right.

01:53:04.000 I have to think about that when I walk into a room or when I walk on stage in a way that a guy doesn't have to—and you can choose to not participate, but it's still scrutiny that you face.

01:53:13.000 Right.

01:53:14.000 And it all is connected to falling in line, making yourself small, and adhering to a standard.

01:53:21.000 So I think you looked at it as not a heretic or a dissident when you are outside of that, when you have a bigger body.

01:53:28.000 It's seen as outlandish.

01:53:30.000 Look at how angry people get at Lizzo.

01:53:34.000 Because she's a large woman who, like, dares to be large.

01:53:37.000 Versus being like, I'm so sorry, I will work on this.

01:53:40.000 Is that why they get angry at her?

01:53:42.000 I don't think...

01:53:43.000 First of all, I'm not paying attention to anyone getting angry at Lizzo, so I'm just guessing here.

01:53:48.000 But I don't know any...

01:53:49.000 What's the anti-Lizzo...

01:53:52.000 I mean, I don't...

01:53:53.000 Group.

01:53:54.000 I'm not a Lizzo fan or not a fan, but people...

01:53:57.000 I'm not a fan of how angry people get at she's fat, which is something in our society that we don't like. 0.97

01:54:03.000 Conservative uproar.

01:54:05.000 Oh, the James Madison flute thing.

01:54:07.000 I think they were worried that she was twerking while she had this 200-year-old flute.

01:54:11.000 They're not worried about the flute.

01:54:13.000 I don't get it.

01:54:15.000 I don't get it.

01:54:16.000 I don't get most people what they get upset at.

01:54:20.000 I really don't.

01:54:21.000 I don't give a fuck what people do as long as they're not hurting anybody else.

01:54:25.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:54:25.000 This girl, God forbid you are a larger black girl and you grew up with no one to look at and then you get a girl like this.

01:54:31.000 So let them look at her.

01:54:33.000 Let them be okay with her.

01:54:34.000 You don't have to listen to her music.

01:54:35.000 I think it's what we were talking about earlier with social media.

01:54:37.000 It's this outrage that just people look at things to get upset by.

01:54:41.000 There's so many people that wake up in the morning, they grab their phone, they go, what am I pissed off at today?

01:54:45.000 And they just go scrolling through Instagram and scrolling through TikTok and scrolling through their newsfeed and they find something to get pissed about and then they post it and hope people will get upset with them.

01:54:56.000 With them, and I'll do you one better, not just get upset with them, they hope in taking you down, they can then have your light and replace you.

01:55:04.000 They're hoping to capitalize off of taking you down, which is why they've done it publicly.

01:55:09.000 If you get a podcaster that's like, I fucking hate Joe Rogan, he's hoping that all of your listeners will be like, yeah, fuck him, and then go over to his podcast.

01:55:18.000 They want to replace you, and devour you. 0.99

01:55:21.000 And so...

01:55:23.000 That's the danger of social media, is that you get these people who think their shit don't stink, and then they try to cancel you.

01:55:29.000 You ever heard that there's a great quote, all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs?

01:55:35.000 I completely agree with that.

01:55:37.000 I don't think all criticism, but I think a lot.

01:55:40.000 I think there's different types of criticism.

01:55:42.000 There's critique and there's criticism.

01:55:43.000 Well, there's valid criticism about things, but then there's also a lot of social behavior, particularly online.

01:55:49.000 I think it applies online in a great way.

01:55:51.000 I think it's, you know what I think it is?

01:55:52.000 I think not enough people have been punched in the fucking face.

01:55:55.000 Whoa.

01:55:56.000 Think about that.

01:55:57.000 Sounds like me.

01:55:57.000 There's a way that you talk to people, right?

01:56:00.000 Like, no respect.

01:56:00.000 Now you're talking about me.

01:56:01.000 I'm just saying!

01:56:02.000 I mean, there's a reason we're friends.

01:56:04.000 The people, the way they sound off, I always say at the end of the day, like, as a comic, you might say things that you make a mistake or whatever, but at least I had the guts.

01:56:11.000 To say it, put my face with it and stand there in front of people and say it.

01:56:16.000 I didn't fire it off from the fucking toilet behind an avatar of a dumpster. 1.00

01:56:22.000 Like, at least I had that and nobody ever comes up to you in person and says what they said online.

01:56:28.000 Right.

01:56:29.000 Because they don't have the ball.

01:56:30.000 I don't want them to.

01:56:31.000 I don't want to get in a fight, but at least give respect to the person who's willing to stand there and take the heat, take the joke, take the laugh.

01:56:38.000 Yeah, I think there's a real issue that comedians have in particular of reading too many people's opinions.

01:56:44.000 I think it's bad for you.

01:56:46.000 I really do.

01:56:47.000 It is bad.

01:56:48.000 And I don't think you have to because you are sitting at the top of a very big pile of money and you have this – you don't have to.

01:56:56.000 You are not on the ground trying to – But I stopped before I had to.

01:57:01.000 I mean, I could have read all that stuff years ago, but at some point in time, I had made a conscious decision.

01:57:09.000 I'm like, this is not healthy.

01:57:10.000 I don't feel good.

01:57:12.000 And it's also, it's not representative of, did you see that fucking thing today? 0.81

01:57:18.000 You know, Elon Musk is going ahead and he's buying Twitter.

01:57:20.000 He's going ahead with the deal.

01:57:21.000 The people rejoice.

01:57:23.000 Yes!

01:57:23.000 I rejoice.

01:57:26.000 Fuck censorship.

01:57:27.000 And there was someone who was a software security specialist who believes that as many as 80% of the accounts on Twitter are fake.

01:57:41.000 That was the high estimation.

01:57:44.000 Did you read that?

01:57:44.000 That's so fucked up.

01:57:45.000 Yeah, Jimmy Dore was talking about it on his podcast.

01:57:48.000 And I saw the YouTube clip of it.

01:57:51.000 What sounds insane, because Elon was speculating that it could be as high as 20 or 30%, I think he was thinking, because, you know, it's hard to know.

01:58:00.000 But I mean, if they decide, like, and here it is, over 80% of Twitter accounts are likely bots.

01:58:08.000 Former FBI security specialist.

01:58:11.000 Holy fucking shit!

01:58:12.000 Like, what's the point of using the platform, then?

01:58:15.000 Well, I think maybe there's a way to find out if a person's a bot at some point in time.

01:58:23.000 Okay, listen to this.

01:58:24.000 Former FBI agent noted that bots are generally designed to accomplish a goal.

01:58:29.000 In Twitter's case, a key goal is to gain followers.

01:58:32.000 More followers mean that an account becomes more influential and could potentially be a security risk.

01:58:37.000 What's interesting is that there's means to get bots for Twitter with countless entities offering Twitter accounts, followers, likes, and retweets for a fee.

01:58:50.000 Some are even offered in the dark or deep web.

01:58:55.000 This is also an explanation for someone who hasn't used the internet before.

01:58:59.000 Right.

01:58:59.000 I feel like this is...

01:59:00.000 I think I showed you this on the podcast like four years ago.

01:59:03.000 Right, but it was before they thought it was that many, right?

01:59:06.000 So look at this.

01:59:07.000 Woods used these services as a Twitter account he created, and sure enough, they do work.

01:59:11.000 The former FBI agent paid less than $1,000, but the account has now gained almost 100,000 followers.

01:59:19.000 Woods even tried posting straight gibberish and paying a fee to have his followers retweet it, and they did.

01:59:27.000 Oh, gibberish.

01:59:28.000 Sorry, I thought you...

01:59:29.000 Yeah, gibberish.

01:59:31.000 Nonsense.

01:59:32.000 With this experience in mind, Woods took his test further, and the results were pretty damning for Twitter's anti-bot measures.

01:59:39.000 He says, I began to wonder how easy it would be to create a Twitter account using automation.

01:59:44.000 I'm not a programmer, but I research automation frameworks on YouTube and Stack Overflow.

02:00:01.000 I didn't try to change my IP address or user agent.

02:00:06.000 Or do anything to conceal my activities.

02:00:08.000 If it's that easy for a person with limited skills, imagine how easy it is for an organization of highly skilled, motivated individuals.

02:00:17.000 That's why it's creepy.

02:00:18.000 Because once...

02:00:19.000 So Elon goes, sure sounds higher than 5%.

02:00:24.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:30.000 So it's like, what are we doing here?

02:00:32.000 It's just...

02:00:33.000 Some people are using it.

02:00:34.000 Content farming content.

02:00:35.000 But it's like, we have to learn how to separate noise.

02:00:39.000 And the problem is when it's like opinion-based stuff, they can influence other people's opinions by saying outrageous things about people and do it.

02:00:48.000 Like, that's why it's scary is during election time.

02:00:51.000 Because if they're using these things to try to change the way people view things, there's a lot of people that are very easily influenced.

02:00:57.000 And if they can use these Twitter bots...

02:00:59.000 Capital should be safe.

02:01:00.000 Yeah.

02:01:02.000 I mean, I think that if I were president, and feel free to poke a hole in this, your social security number is tied to your social media handle.

02:01:11.000 I think that's a great idea.

02:01:12.000 And you can say whatever you want, but just know there's ramifications.

02:01:15.000 And if you want to, and there will be a committee to see if you were stupid or in on it when it comes to dispensing disinformation.

02:01:22.000 Because it's not your fault if you thought something was true or good.

02:01:24.000 But if you are deliberately saying things like school shootings don't happen, Sandy Hook was a joke, you should be held accountable for this.

02:01:32.000 And someone was.

02:01:33.000 But you should be held accountable for the information that you espouse.

02:01:38.000 Just like we are.

02:01:39.000 I think that might be the only way to do it, is to connect a social media account to a social security number.

02:01:45.000 That's the only thing that you have, like, from birth?

02:01:48.000 Well, that was the only way.

02:01:48.000 Like, otherwise, this thing that he's talking about, how else would you stop that?

02:01:52.000 But then there's problems like, what if you tweeted anti-government stuff and you lived in a country where the, you know, the government was, you know, autocrat government and they cracked down on you and had you killed?

02:02:01.000 Because they could connect you to the post where you couldn't have an anonymous account.

02:02:07.000 Because anonymous whistleblowers are very important.

02:02:10.000 That's true, too.

02:02:10.000 I mean, that's what Arab Spring was all about.

02:02:12.000 That's how...

02:02:13.000 I mean, you can overthrow bad governments with that, too.

02:02:17.000 Maybe just with it.

02:02:18.000 I mean, then you can't do it within the U.S. because it's a global thing.

02:02:20.000 Again, I don't have the answer.

02:02:21.000 But there is just no...

02:02:23.000 People just go on.

02:02:25.000 They say horrific things.

02:02:26.000 They incite horrific things.

02:02:27.000 And then they just turn it off and it's...

02:02:29.000 And it's gone.

02:02:29.000 So there should be a way to connect it, just so there's some culpability.

02:02:33.000 But I'm sure they'll find a way to make that dark.

02:02:35.000 I mean, culpability, I think, is important. 0.92

02:02:37.000 But what also is important is that we figure out...

02:02:41.000 Human beings have to get way better at communicating with each other over these platforms because they're so new.

02:02:48.000 And we don't really...

02:02:49.000 We don't have a historical precedent of how to behave and treat people through social media.

02:02:56.000 Of course not.

02:02:57.000 It's all in real time.

02:02:58.000 And everyone's punished in real time.

02:03:00.000 And what's so fucking weird is that everybody acts as if they're doing it perfectly.

02:03:06.000 Yeah, well, until it comes down on them.

02:03:08.000 There's a lot of those wokesters to get fucking tackled. 1.00

02:03:11.000 It's hilarious.

02:03:11.000 It will come down on you.

02:03:13.000 A lot of people who are throwing rocks eventually get pelted in the fucking head with one.

02:03:16.000 It's like, wow.

02:03:17.000 That's what I'm saying, bro.

02:03:19.000 Yeah.

02:03:19.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:03:20.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:03:22.000 All right.

02:03:23.000 I got to get out of here.

02:03:24.000 Thank you, Liza.

02:03:25.000 I have to go, too.

02:03:26.000 You're special.

02:03:27.000 I've had to pee for quite some time, and I've held it.

02:03:30.000 Had my tummy teeth.

02:03:32.000 Congratulations.

02:03:33.000 Your special comes out October 11th.

02:03:36.000 Hot Forever is out October 11th.

02:03:38.000 It's forever, baby.

02:03:40.000 Hot Forever.

02:03:42.000 And your book is out, is it out now?

02:03:43.000 It's pre-order now and it's out October 11th as well.

02:03:46.000 Oh, a double dose of Eliza on October 11th.

02:03:48.000 Double dose, double vaccine.

02:03:50.000 Get your booster shot of me.

02:03:51.000 And your Instagram and Twitter handle, what is it?

02:03:54.000 I'm not giving that out.

02:03:55.000 I'm not giving that out on here.

02:03:58.000 Okay.

02:03:58.000 Thank you.

02:03:59.000 I'll see you in the comment section.

02:04:00.000 Good to see you my friend.

02:04:01.000 Love you.

02:04:01.000 Bye.

02:04:01.000 Bye everybody.

02:04:01.000 I love you too.

02:04:02.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 13, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1882 - Iliza Shlesinger

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