The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1891 - Duncan Trussell

00:00:14.000 Hello, Duncan!

00:00:16.000 Hello!

00:00:18.000 I don't think this is gonna work.

00:00:21.000 Oh my god, I can't see.

00:00:26.000 Ugh. 1.00

00:00:27.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:00:28.000 I can't, like... 1.00

00:00:30.000 I can't see at all.

00:00:32.000 I don't know how you're supposed to see out of that.

00:00:33.000 It's a deadly outfit.

00:00:36.000 I guess I'll just put that on when I want to say something incriminating.

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 What do you mean?

00:00:41.000 Well, the Thought Police.

00:00:43.000 So, pull up that article, Jamie, at the beginning of this podcast.

00:00:47.000 We should probably go right into this.

00:00:50.000 Because, apparently, the Department of Homeland Security and Twitter were working together.

00:00:59.000 Are we on?

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:00.000 I don't hear me.

00:01:01.000 There we go.

00:01:02.000 The Department of Homeland Security, they had a plan to police information and they were working with Twitter in some fashion.

00:01:13.000 Look at this.

00:01:14.000 Quietly broadening its effort to curve speech it considers dangerous.

00:01:18.000 Yeah.

00:01:19.000 What does that mean?

00:01:20.000 I don't know.

00:01:21.000 An investigation by The Intercept has found years of internal DHS memos, emails, and documents obtained via leaks and an ongoing lawsuit as well as public documents illustrate the expansive effort by the agency to influence the tech platforms. 0.98

00:01:38.000 Shit.

00:01:39.000 The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public, came into clear view earlier this year when DHS announced a new disinformation governance board. 0.99

00:01:50.000 Good lord.

00:01:50.000 A panel designed to police misinformation, false information spread unintentionally, disinformation, false information spread internally, intentionally, excuse me, and malinformation, factual information shared typically out of context with harmful intent.

00:02:09.000 Mal-information is a weird one.

00:02:10.000 Mal-information? 0.87

00:02:12.000 Yeah.

00:02:12.000 Because it's factual, but it's shared, typically out of context.

00:02:18.000 With harmful intent.

00:02:19.000 That's where you're like, look, you don't understand why we mowed down those reporters with a chopper.

00:02:26.000 It's out of context.

00:02:27.000 You can't just show the video.

00:02:29.000 While the board was widely ridiculed, immediately scaled back, and then shut down within a few months, other initiatives are underway as DHS pivots to monitoring social media now that its original mandate, the war on terror, has been wound down.

00:02:43.000 So that's been wound down.

00:02:45.000 Apparently.

00:02:46.000 Platforms have got to get comfortable with government.

00:02:49.000 It's really interesting how hesitant they remain.

00:02:53.000 Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, former DHS official, texted Jen Easterly.

00:02:59.000 Look at that.

00:03:00.000 Platforms have got to get comfortable with government.

00:03:04.000 What does that mean?

00:03:06.000 I don't know.

00:03:06.000 Tim Pool sent me this this morning.

00:03:08.000 I didn't get a chance to read.

00:03:09.000 I was in the gym.

00:03:10.000 Look, you gotta get comfortable with government.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, that's what I've been saying.

00:03:14.000 Just get comfortable.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, why aren't you comfortable?

00:03:16.000 Cozy up.

00:03:17.000 Put on some sweatpants.

00:03:19.000 Cozy up.

00:03:23.000 Wow.

00:03:24.000 That's creepy.

00:03:26.000 I mean, I guess we all kind of suspected it though, right?

00:03:29.000 It's not like anybody...

00:03:30.000 Is that a shocker?

00:03:32.000 Well, what Tim Pool said is that Twitter was working with them.

00:03:39.000 I guess they weren't being honest about it.

00:03:41.000 They were working with them.

00:03:42.000 What were you telling me?

00:03:43.000 That Jimmy Kimmel tweeted something and tried to delete it?

00:03:47.000 Yeah, it looks like...

00:03:48.000 I could be wrong about this, but Kimmel was pissed at Musk.

00:03:53.000 Why?

00:03:53.000 For buying Twitter.

00:03:55.000 But what does he care?

00:03:56.000 What is he mad about?

00:03:57.000 So basically, like...

00:04:00.000 A lot of people seem to be really upset with Elon for buying Twitter because Elon is saying that he's not going to censor Twitter anymore.

00:04:13.000 He's going to like let, you know, all the banned people are going to get back on apparently.

00:04:16.000 You know, it's like they're trying to figure it out how to do it.

00:04:19.000 And so, this has upset a lot of people who were happy with the idea that it was being hyper-moderated in a way, I think, that fits in with their politics.

00:04:31.000 That was the idea.

00:04:33.000 So their team was in control for a second, and now somebody...

00:04:37.000 You know what it reminds me of?

00:04:38.000 It's like when a new booker shows up at a comedy club. 1.00

00:04:44.000 And all the comics start talking shit. 1.00

00:04:47.000 It's scary. 1.00

00:04:49.000 It has been interesting over the years to watch you blossom from the electric car guy into a fully formed piece of shit. 1.00

00:04:57.000 Wow. 0.98

00:04:58.000 And look, see, it says this tweet was deleted by the tweet author.

00:05:02.000 Learn more.

00:05:03.000 He was replying to a tweet that Elon tweeted.

00:05:06.000 And what was the tweet?

00:05:07.000 That Elon deleted, which I think was the thing.

00:05:08.000 Oh, that was a tweet where it's like the Santa Monica Observer or something like that was tweeting something about the Paul Pelosi attack.

00:05:18.000 And that Santa Monica observer has been known to tweet things that aren't correct, or at least has, or not tweet, publish things that aren't correct, at least has in one instance that they were citing, something about Hillary Clinton.

00:05:34.000 I don't know.

00:05:36.000 But, you know, I think what Elon tweeted was there's a tiny chance that we might not be getting the full story.

00:05:45.000 And then he tweeted that story.

00:05:46.000 Yeah.

00:05:47.000 This is the idea that maybe Paul Pelosi knew this guy.

00:05:50.000 Because people have been trying to pin that guy and say that he was a right-wing MAGA guy. 0.98

00:05:55.000 But didn't he live in, like, some fucking hippie collective? 0.98

00:05:59.000 And he made, like, hemp jewelry? 0.99

00:06:01.000 He did Woo to Cube Pipeline.

00:06:04.000 He went woo to Q. So like he apparently had some kind of blog or something.

00:06:10.000 I think he started off woo, super hippie, ayahuasca, mystical, and then gradually kind of devolved into Q. QAnon. 0.79

00:06:22.000 QAnon.

00:06:23.000 The best analysis I saw of it was a reporter saying that what the real story here is not like There's people who are psychotic all over San Francisco from doing so much speed, meth, drugs.

00:06:39.000 That's the real story. 0.83

00:06:40.000 The real story is that all over, like, the great cities of America, people are, like, high as a fucking kite and have been for so long that they're, like, spinning out of control. 0.97

00:06:50.000 And that's what it is. 0.93

00:06:52.000 That's the story of stories.

00:06:53.000 It's like, yeah, sure, this guy went woo to cue.

00:06:58.000 Very common, it happens.

00:06:59.000 You start off, you're into taking supplements.

00:07:04.000 That leads to a new supplement you've never heard of.

00:07:06.000 That leads to some weird website you go to.

00:07:09.000 The next thing you know, you're rubbing weird balm all over your body.

00:07:14.000 Under a crystal.

00:07:16.000 Still fine.

00:07:17.000 Still cool.

00:07:17.000 But somewhere along the way, you get on one of these slides that lead you down into Q. And then the next thing you know, you're completely deep in that.

00:07:30.000 So that's what I've heard.

00:07:31.000 He's woo to Q. Woo to Q pipeline.

00:07:33.000 Interesting.

00:07:33.000 Yeah.

00:07:34.000 I like that term.

00:07:35.000 Is that a new term?

00:07:36.000 I've never heard that before.

00:07:38.000 It's been floating around for a little bit.

00:07:39.000 It's just one of the things that happens.

00:07:44.000 Robert Anton Wilson, the great Robert Anton Wilson, his recommendation is maintain agnosticism when it comes to the exploration philosophically of anything, really.

00:07:56.000 So when you're contemplating this or that, let yourself believe it.

00:08:00.000 But don't believe it all the way.

00:08:02.000 Maintain agnosticism.

00:08:03.000 You can, like, play around with the idea that the Earth is flat.

00:08:07.000 You can play around with the idea that the Illuminati elite run the planet.

00:08:12.000 You can play around with any idea you want, in fact, in a great simulator of your brain.

00:08:16.000 But...

00:08:17.000 Don't go all the way.

00:08:19.000 If you go all the way, that's where you can start, like, spiraling out.

00:08:25.000 Here, Woo Anon, the creep of QAnon into Southern California's New Age world. 0.99

00:08:30.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:08:32.000 Woo to Q. Woo to Q pipeline, right there.

00:08:40.000 Okay, so this is a new thing. 0.95

00:08:43.000 I think part of the problem with a lot of these theories is that some people, I'm just going to try to say this as kindly as possible, they don't have good brains.

00:08:57.000 And I say this as a person who has a decent brain.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 But I know people with fantastic brains.

00:09:03.000 There's no fairness.

00:09:06.000 I met this guy the other night.

00:09:08.000 This poor guy.

00:09:09.000 I don't know what was wrong with him.

00:09:10.000 But he was hunched over.

00:09:12.000 And he was very, very frail and hunched over.

00:09:17.000 And whether this is because of a disease or whether this is because...

00:09:21.000 I don't know what was wrong.

00:09:22.000 Something was wrong with him.

00:09:23.000 And I'm like, this is not fair.

00:09:25.000 It's not fair. 0.99

00:09:26.000 This guy got just a shit roll of the dice. 0.99

00:09:30.000 Now he has this body that's failing him. 0.99

00:09:32.000 And then you can meet someone like Francis Ngannou.

00:09:35.000 Who has this insanely perfect body.

00:09:38.000 He's like the super alpha.

00:09:40.000 UFC heavyweight champion.

00:09:42.000 6'6", 265 pounds of just pure athleticism.

00:09:50.000 It's not fair.

00:09:51.000 It's not fair.

00:09:51.000 And then the same applies to, I think, everything.

00:09:57.000 Like, all sorts of aspects of being a human being.

00:10:00.000 And the same applies to the way your brain works.

00:10:02.000 And if you're a person who unfortunately, for no fault of your own, you have this brain that's like not that good.

00:10:13.000 Yeah.

00:10:14.000 And it can't discern things that are illogical.

00:10:17.000 It can't make reasonable conclusions.

00:10:20.000 It can't look at things objectively.

00:10:22.000 It just can't.

00:10:23.000 It's like a two-gear car.

00:10:28.000 And then other people have a Tesla.

00:10:33.000 And that thing can just sort of maneuver around ideas. 0.98

00:10:36.000 Oh, I see what's going on here.

00:10:37.000 Oh, this is a conflux of all these conspiracy theories that all come together.

00:10:42.000 And this person has unfortunately adopted these wholesale and hasn't looked into them at all and now thinks there's lizard people that are shape changers, that are behind closed doors, that are running the world and that are trying to collapse all the societies. 0.94

00:10:58.000 You know, there's a real benefit to letting the fucking culture figure out what's right and what's wrong. 0.93

00:11:08.000 But along the way, people are gonna get tricked. 0.99

00:11:11.000 They're gonna get duped.

00:11:12.000 And some people are gonna fall into the hands of very manipulative people that are very charismatic.

00:11:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:21.000 And they have wacky fucking ideas about lizard people or whatever it is. 0.99

00:11:26.000 Whatever. 1.00

00:11:26.000 Look at fucking Heaven's Gate. 1.00

00:11:30.000 Jonestown! 1.00

00:11:31.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:11:32.000 Think of that! 1.00

00:11:32.000 Like, how out of it do you have to be to get to the point where someone is like, it's time to drink cyanide. 1.00

00:11:41.000 Or, you know, you've been doing the test or something every day for a while, but how out of it?

00:11:45.000 Like, if you want to...

00:11:47.000 See, that's what's scary about being human.

00:11:50.000 We're hackable. 0.99

00:11:51.000 We're a fucking hackable, and people are really good at hacking us. 0.99

00:11:57.000 And you might think you have the most incredible mind of all time, but you're still susceptible. 0.99

00:12:04.000 In the same way, you've got a great immune system.

00:12:06.000 Have you ever been hypnotized?

00:12:07.000 Yeah, I got hypnotized.

00:12:09.000 My mom hypnotized me and a wart came off my hand.

00:12:12.000 Isn't that weird?

00:12:13.000 She was like studying psychology.

00:12:16.000 She hypnotized me.

00:12:17.000 I had this wart on this finger.

00:12:19.000 And then over the next few days, it just kind of like fell off.

00:12:23.000 Hypnosis is real, man.

00:12:25.000 Yeah.

00:12:26.000 It really does work.

00:12:27.000 But what it is is not what everybody thinks it is.

00:12:30.000 I think before, well, I should just correct that.

00:12:33.000 It's not what I thought it was.

00:12:35.000 I thought, like, you don't know what's going on.

00:12:37.000 And you go into, like, some sort of a trance and the person can get you to do anything.

00:12:41.000 Give me your ATM code.

00:12:43.000 But what it really is is, like, it puts you in a state of mind where you're very aware that They're in the state of mind.

00:12:50.000 And I've been thinking about it a lot.

00:12:52.000 And I've been thinking about the cult thing a lot and just the cult of joining one party or another party, too.

00:13:00.000 You know, like deciding you're a conservative or deciding you're a progressive.

00:13:05.000 I think it's a part of the design of the human animal that got us to cooperate in tribes.

00:13:13.000 I think in order for things to work and function, you have to have a very strong inclination that there's one leader.

00:13:21.000 Right.

00:13:22.000 And then you have to have resistance of that to find the better next leader.

00:13:27.000 Right.

00:13:28.000 And so that's where people get angry at this one person that's running the whole thing.

00:13:32.000 But I think that when you scale that out to like 300 million people, it just doesn't work.

00:13:39.000 How could it?

00:13:39.000 It doesn't work.

00:13:40.000 It's chaos.

00:13:42.000 Yeah.

00:13:42.000 We didn't design it for that.

00:13:44.000 Right.

00:13:44.000 Or whatever designed us, I should say.

00:13:47.000 Didn't design us for that.

00:13:49.000 Designed us for like tribes of 150 people.

00:13:54.000 I think what the internet is, is the great connector.

00:13:58.000 And the internet is connecting reality with this animal that desires to have a singular leader.

00:14:06.000 Right.

00:14:07.000 Because it wants someone to protect the tribe. 0.98

00:14:08.000 But then the internet is like spitting and pissing and shitting all over that. 0.96

00:14:13.000 It's like an antidote to it. 0.97

00:14:15.000 Right.

00:14:15.000 Like Twitter's...

00:14:18.000 Twitter's fact-checking the President of the United States' incorrect facts.

00:14:22.000 Right.

00:14:22.000 Which is crazy that that's happening.

00:14:26.000 Well, this is the emperor wears no clothes.

00:14:29.000 Yes.

00:14:30.000 That's the fable, right?

00:14:31.000 Yes.

00:14:31.000 Like these naked dudes going around.

00:14:34.000 Everybody's scared of them, so they're like, beautiful robes!

00:14:37.000 And then some kid is like, he's naked.

00:14:39.000 Look, he's obviously naked.

00:14:41.000 And then another person is like, oh yeah, you're right, he is.

00:14:45.000 It's like, that is the hope of the internet, is that truth...

00:14:52.000 It comes out and it destabilizes bad power, bad structures.

00:14:57.000 Exactly.

00:14:58.000 You want to. 0.99

00:14:58.000 You want to throw a monkey wrench into shit that doesn't work so that it like stops working and you rebuild instead of patching up old wobbly things that are like smokes coming out, gears are flying off, and you're supposed to pretend like it's working. 0.99

00:15:14.000 Right. 0.99

00:15:15.000 That's where it gets creepy.

00:15:16.000 It's like, you know, if the machine that is failing Starts telling tech companies or whoever Like what is real and what isn't then a broken machine is then like articulating truth Which then so if someone starts telling the truth the emperor wears no clothes and then like Twitter throws up underneath like this is potential misinformation That's why this Department of Homeland Security

00:15:46.000 thing is so creepy and Because that would be the same people.

00:15:50.000 The same people that are telling you things that are factually inaccurate or that are getting fact-checked on Twitter would be the very people that would get to dictate what is mal-information.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 Like, mal-information was the craziest one.

00:16:05.000 Like, everybody thinks you shouldn't be able to say things that aren't true, right?

00:16:09.000 Or if you do, you must correct them.

00:16:12.000 Like, are you telling the truth or are you manipulating with lies?

00:16:15.000 Right.

00:16:16.000 You can't manipulate with lies.

00:16:17.000 So...

00:16:18.000 If maybe you said something and you thought it was true, let's correct that.

00:16:22.000 But if you just keep doing that over and over and over again and you never admit that, and then you're the one who gets to dictate what's mal-information, it's like the death throes of a dying system.

00:16:37.000 And it's reaching out and it's acting and behaving the way it used to be able to behave when it had total access to what people get informed about or not.

00:16:48.000 Right.

00:16:48.000 It had complete control of that at one point in time.

00:16:51.000 Well, it's massive.

00:16:52.000 I mean, we're talking about How many offices are filled with people working for the government right now?

00:16:58.000 Like, how many?

00:16:59.000 If you put them in a building, like, would the building go all the way to the moon?

00:17:02.000 Would it be like a high-rise?

00:17:04.000 Probably the moon would be covered with government office buildings.

00:17:07.000 But, like, it's massive.

00:17:09.000 And then it's so huge that, you know, just people get put into departments.

00:17:15.000 And some of the people that get put in the departments are good, smart people. 0.98

00:17:19.000 And some of the people that get put in the departments, they suck. 0.94

00:17:23.000 Right, like everything in all walks of life. 0.99

00:17:25.000 Yeah, right?

00:17:26.000 That's all it takes. 0.99

00:17:27.000 So you get one, like, everybody's had a shitty manager. 0.98

00:17:30.000 You get one shitty manager in some job where, like, he's got a little more power than he's supposed to have. 0.90

00:17:38.000 And then he's probably got people around him who are like, this is a bad idea. 0.98

00:17:41.000 And he's like, well, you're fired.

00:17:43.000 And then people come in who are like, this is a really good idea.

00:17:46.000 He's like, you're a genius if you think this is a good idea, because it is. 0.99

00:17:49.000 Then you have this terrible geometry of where a contagion happens, where this one asshole starts getting surrounded by concentric circles of assholes, and then those people have so much power. 0.99

00:18:02.000 And that's, I think, what's going on with it. 0.99

00:18:07.000 There's just too many people running things.

00:18:10.000 And of those people, there's got to be some that are great.

00:18:13.000 I know there is. 1.00

00:18:14.000 And there's some that are just abject, monstrous, power-hungry, coked-up assholes. 1.00

00:18:21.000 And I think that's when you start seeing shit like that. 1.00

00:18:24.000 It's clearly a sign of... 0.99

00:18:26.000 I mean, again, maybe I'm being naive. 1.00

00:18:28.000 But I'd like to imagine that that's coming from, like, a few assholes. 0.99

00:18:31.000 That's not coming from the totality of the U.S. government. 0.99

00:18:35.000 All of it. 1.00

00:18:36.000 It's just coming from, like, what, a thousand assholes? 0.99

00:18:38.000 But then there's also the real problem of actual misinformation that's being spread by bad parties. 0.99

00:18:47.000 Right?

00:18:47.000 Like, we know that.

00:18:49.000 We know that there's misinformation that gets spread by bad governments.

00:18:53.000 By, like...

00:18:55.000 Our enemies. 0.94

00:18:56.000 Like, we know that there's a whole industry to, like, these Russian troll farms. 0.89

00:19:02.000 Sure. 0.59

00:19:02.000 You know, we've talked about this before, but on Facebook, 19 of the top 20 Christian sites were being run by Russian troll farms. 0.59

00:19:11.000 Oh, yeah, I remember you saying that. 0.64

00:19:13.000 You know how nuts that is? 0.99

00:19:14.000 That's fucked up. 0.99

00:19:15.000 That means they're, like, some conversations that are insane that don't make any sense. 0.99

00:19:20.000 Like, how is this a conversation?

00:19:22.000 Well, it might not be.

00:19:25.000 It might be we're getting manipulated.

00:19:27.000 It might be there's a bunch of...

00:19:28.000 And then the problem with people we were talking about before that we have this natural inclination to follow leaders.

00:19:34.000 We do that online too, man.

00:19:36.000 And if there's like some really good tweets that point in a certain direction, people will start agreeing with it.

00:19:41.000 Right.

00:19:42.000 People are easily...

00:19:43.000 The idea that manipulation only applies to like verbal or written in a statement. 0.99

00:19:48.000 No, it fucking applies to tweets too. 0.96

00:19:50.000 You can manipulate people with stuff. 1.00

00:19:51.000 Dude, I get manipulated all the fucking time. 0.99

00:19:54.000 Are you kidding me? 1.00

00:19:55.000 I'm, like, always getting caught up in bullshit online. 0.99

00:19:57.000 I, like, go through, like, phases of, like, yeah! 0.99

00:20:00.000 Oh, my God!

00:20:02.000 I pendulum between teams, or I'll get caught up in some, like, deep, crazy conspiracy.

00:20:08.000 Like, it's a very potent...

00:20:12.000 By the way, I'm not saying it's potent because I get manipulated easily, but it's a potent...

00:20:17.000 Yes, it is.

00:20:18.000 The internet's a potent drug.

00:20:20.000 There's all kinds of operators.

00:20:22.000 It's not just Russian troll forums.

00:20:24.000 It's Discordians. 0.97

00:20:25.000 It's just basic, like, trolls who are bored.

00:20:28.000 It's who knows what.

00:20:30.000 Probably some cult will never know about.

00:20:32.000 Just some weird cult on an island somewhere with some nefarious purpose that's like trying to put some certain information on the internet.

00:20:39.000 It's an ocean of madness.

00:20:42.000 And maybe, like...

00:20:46.000 The horrible idea is, okay, we can control the ocean of madness.

00:20:50.000 That's what we're going to do because some of these people are other states trying to cause discord in our society that could lead to a civil war, the collapse of the United States.

00:21:01.000 We've got to do something about this.

00:21:03.000 Call up Twitter.

00:21:04.000 Listen, it's a problem.

00:21:06.000 You gotta let us tell you what's real and what's not real.

00:21:08.000 And at first, maybe that's great. 0.97

00:21:10.000 It's like, look, this is 100% coming from Russian trolls. 0.99

00:21:13.000 This, whatever this is, this is Russian AI trolls. 0.98

00:21:16.000 But then, all of a sudden, the president calls that department.

00:21:21.000 He's like, hey, is there any way that you could also start applying that to people who say that I seem like I'm kind of out of it?

00:21:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:21:35.000 But it's not even him.

00:21:37.000 He's not making that call.

00:21:38.000 It's like, yeah, his butler.

00:21:40.000 Well, imagine.

00:21:42.000 Just imagine.

00:21:43.000 You know how, like, if you're a lawyer and you have, like, a sneaky suspicion that your client is probably guilty, but it's your job to get them off.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, it's your job.

00:21:58.000 If you're a lawyer, your job is not to make a judgment in your head.

00:22:04.000 I think maybe this guy's lying and maybe he did it.

00:22:07.000 No.

00:22:08.000 Your judgment is to try to get your client off.

00:22:10.000 That's it. 1.00

00:22:11.000 And that's why a lot of defense attorneys, man, that's a slippery fucking... 0.99

00:22:15.000 Weird world to be in, right? 0.98

00:22:17.000 But don't you think it's the same way in the government?

00:22:19.000 Sure.

00:22:20.000 If you're a person, if you're that poor lady who's the White House press secretary... 0.99

00:22:26.000 Worst job I've heard. 1.00

00:22:27.000 It's the fucking worst job! 1.00

00:22:29.000 Worst job! 1.00

00:22:30.000 It's the worst job!

00:22:31.000 You get all the hate of the president and none of the power. 1.00

00:22:34.000 And fucking everybody hates you. 1.00

00:22:36.000 Yeah, you're like a punching bag. 1.00

00:22:38.000 You just have to absorb that every day.

00:22:40.000 And you're under like extreme stress.

00:22:43.000 You're a person like no one knows who you are.

00:22:46.000 All of a sudden you have to speak publicly for the country.

00:22:50.000 That is such an insane role.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 And to be young like this lady is doing it now.

00:22:56.000 How old is she? 0.98

00:22:57.000 30-something?

00:22:58.000 I don't know.

00:22:58.000 Young.

00:22:58.000 She's so young.

00:23:00.000 Young. 0.99

00:23:00.000 To be in a position like that where you have a notebook in front of you and you have to answer these complex questions of what the fuck is going on in Yemen? 0.99

00:23:10.000 Right. 0.94

00:23:10.000 Why are we giving so much money to Ukraine? 0.94

00:23:13.000 The president feels... 0.99

00:23:15.000 You're fucking talking for the whole country! 0.99

00:23:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:23:19.000 That's such a crazy role!

00:23:21.000 You have to go into a meeting And they tell you what you're probably...

00:23:27.000 Oh, she's 48. She looks great.

00:23:28.000 Goddamn, I always thought she was like 33. She's healthy as fuck. 1.00

00:23:33.000 Healthy. 1.00

00:23:33.000 Healthy press secretary. 1.00

00:23:35.000 But yeah, you got to go in a meeting.

00:23:37.000 You have to like...

00:23:39.000 They're going to tell you like, look, they're going to ask you about this for sure.

00:23:43.000 Yesterday, we saw the vice president and the vice president...

00:23:49.000 This obviously didn't happen.

00:23:50.000 The vice president grabbed a baby and...

00:23:53.000 Out of someone's arms and threw the baby on the ground. 0.99

00:23:56.000 Now, the reason this happened is because we accidentally dosed her with some new MKUltra shit and she thought that she was like a Greek goddess and the baby was like a Hydra head. 0.98

00:24:08.000 Don't worry about it. 0.98

00:24:09.000 It was a bad experiment.

00:24:11.000 But... 1.00

00:24:11.000 Anyway, they're gonna ask you why did the vice president throw the fucking baby on the ground? 1.00

00:24:16.000 You don't tell them we drugged her accidentally with an MKUltra drug. 0.99

00:24:20.000 You gotta say low blood sugar.

00:24:24.000 The vice president is having low blood sugar and her hand shook and she didn't really throw the baby, obviously. 0.99

00:24:30.000 You've got to like go out there with that just load of shit and figure out a way to say it. 0.99

00:24:35.000 Not just to like one reporter, but to like 20, like one will ask. 0.99

00:24:39.000 And the whole world.

00:24:40.000 The whole world.

00:24:41.000 The whole world's watching.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:43.000 You have to come up with some weird turn of phrase that doesn't make any sense.

00:24:47.000 When she had to explain why Joe Biden was bringing up a woman who was dead...

00:24:53.000 Top of mind!

00:24:54.000 Top of mind.

00:24:55.000 She was top of mind.

00:24:56.000 Yeah.

00:24:57.000 I mean, it was really like...

00:24:58.000 It was like, for what she had to work with...

00:25:03.000 It was some incredible gaslighting.

00:25:05.000 Amazing!

00:25:06.000 She's stuck to top of mind.

00:25:07.000 Top of mind's a good one because it's nonsense.

00:25:10.000 Because you're sitting there thinking, like, what does top of mind mean?

00:25:13.000 It's a new thing you can say.

00:25:14.000 You're getting distracted by it.

00:25:15.000 So you're like, is top of mind a thing?

00:25:17.000 Top of mind.

00:25:18.000 And she just kept saying, it was top of mind.

00:25:21.000 You know, top of mind.

00:25:23.000 T-O-M, top of mind. 0.85

00:25:25.000 Okay, what?

00:25:26.000 And the reporters are like...

00:25:28.000 But they're all thinking, I don't even know that top of mind exists.

00:25:33.000 That's brilliant.

00:25:33.000 Because I don't think she just came up with top of mind.

00:25:37.000 I think they're sitting back there like, just say top of mind over and over.

00:25:40.000 I think that exactly is probably what happens.

00:25:43.000 Like, there's probably some sort of consultation.

00:25:45.000 And what's the best phrasing?

00:25:46.000 Top of mind?

00:25:47.000 Top of mind sounds good.

00:25:49.000 Yeah, top of mind.

00:25:50.000 That's good.

00:25:50.000 That's real good.

00:25:51.000 So that's her job.

00:25:52.000 Just like a defense attorney, it's their job to try to get their client off.

00:25:57.000 That's her job. 0.97

00:25:59.000 What?

00:26:02.000 What happened?

00:26:04.000 I thought you had an interjection.

00:26:06.000 No, it was just the...

00:26:08.000 Here we go!

00:26:09.000 As you all know, you guys were watching today's event, a very important event on food insecurity.

00:26:16.000 The president was naming the congressional champions on this issue and was acknowledging her incredible work.

00:26:23.000 This was after he called out her name when she was dead.

00:26:26.000 ...the congresswoman's family to the White House on Friday.

00:26:29.000 There will be a bill signing in her honor this coming Friday.

00:26:33.000 So, of course, she was on his mind.

00:26:36.000 She was of top of mind.

00:26:37.000 Of top of mind.

00:26:38.000 ...for the president.

00:26:39.000 He very much looks forward to discussing her remarkable legacy of public service with them when he sees her family this coming Friday.

00:26:48.000 Jackie, are you here?

00:26:49.000 Where's Jackie?

00:26:50.000 She must not be here.

00:26:51.000 No, I totally understand.

00:26:53.000 I just explained.

00:26:54.000 She was on top of mind.

00:26:57.000 Look at her eyes fluttering.

00:26:59.000 What we were able to witness today and what the President was able to lift up at this conference, at this event, was how her focus on wanting to deal with,

00:27:15.000 combat food insecurity in America.

00:27:16.000 Pause, pause, please.

00:27:18.000 Imagine if this is someone working for you. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Imagine if you're in an office somewhere, Duncan, you're the CEO of a corporation, and something like this happens, and this person explains what happened to you, you'd go, I can't have you work for me anymore, because you're a liar. 0.94

00:27:34.000 Oh, I thought you meant... 0.97

00:27:35.000 Like, you're lying.

00:27:36.000 I thought you meant like...

00:27:37.000 No, if you're like a CEO of a company, and you have a meeting of like, there's some sort of a disaster took place, like, what happened?

00:27:44.000 And then...

00:27:46.000 You're confronted with information like this.

00:27:49.000 No, but he said over and over again, where's Jackie?

00:27:51.000 Is Jackie here?

00:27:52.000 Jackie must not be here.

00:27:54.000 Like, are you trying to say that he didn't forget that she was dead?

00:28:01.000 Because now I can't trust you about anything.

00:28:03.000 Right.

00:28:03.000 You've sacrificed for the obvious any trust that I could have in you about anything in the future.

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:10.000 Because it's so obvious.

00:28:11.000 Right.

00:28:12.000 Well, I mean, that's their job.

00:28:13.000 I mean, that's their job is to like professionally.

00:28:16.000 But it doesn't work.

00:28:17.000 Here's the thing.

00:28:18.000 It doesn't work.

00:28:18.000 It kind of works.

00:28:19.000 Does it kind of work? 0.99

00:28:20.000 It kind of fucking works, man. 0.98

00:28:22.000 It works because you have to drop it? 0.99

00:28:23.000 The news cycle won't...

00:28:25.000 You can't keep going back to top of mind.

00:28:27.000 The news cycle's got to move on.

00:28:28.000 They know that. 0.95

00:28:29.000 You just slow it down enough and then some other shit happens and then everybody gets memory hold. 0.91

00:28:35.000 People forget about it. 0.91

00:28:36.000 And then it just moves on.

00:28:38.000 Imagine if Biden was doing your brain surgery and everyone was trying to tell you he's great.

00:28:44.000 He's fine.

00:28:45.000 There's nothing wrong.

00:28:46.000 Oh my god. 0.99

00:28:48.000 Can you fucking imagine? 1.00

00:28:49.000 Can you imagine? 1.00

00:28:49.000 Imagine you have a rare sort of brain disease. 1.00

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 You have to open you up and it's only like a 7 out of 10 chance you'll even survive the operation.

00:28:58.000 Imagine if he was your Uber driver.

00:29:05.000 Oh my god.

00:29:13.000 Yeah, we don't have to play it.

00:29:14.000 We've all heard him do it.

00:29:16.000 You want to play it?

00:29:17.000 No, I was just...

00:29:18.000 Do you feel he's playing it?

00:29:19.000 I was just showing you.

00:29:20.000 It felt like a good time to put him up there.

00:29:22.000 Do you want to play it?

00:29:23.000 I play it.

00:29:24.000 I want to thank all of you here for including bipartisan elected officials like Representative Governor, Senator Braun, Senator Booker, Representative...

00:29:33.000 Jackie, are you here?

00:29:34.000 Where's Jackie?

00:29:35.000 I didn't think she was going to be here.

00:29:38.000 To help make this a reality.

00:29:40.000 And thanks to Senator Stabenow, Representative DeLauro, for their leadership.

00:29:46.000 You'd be like, Grandpa.

00:29:47.000 Grandpa.

00:29:49.000 Well, he's a grandpa.

00:29:50.000 He's a grandpa.

00:29:51.000 We put a very, very old man in the most stressful job on Earth. 1.00

00:29:58.000 On Earth.

00:29:59.000 On Earth.

00:30:00.000 On Earth.

00:30:01.000 Worse than working in an Amazon warehouse.

00:30:03.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:30:04.000 Like a job that if I had that fucking job, I'd probably be like talking like that, too. 0.99

00:30:09.000 But just because I've been blasted on ketamine all the fucking time. 0.99

00:30:14.000 I'd be like so high because it's the only way you could cope with it. 0.99

00:30:17.000 How could you even cope with it if you're high? 0.98

00:30:19.000 It's ridiculous. 0.91

00:30:19.000 If you were a logical person, you'd be like, we have to disband this position. 0.91

00:30:23.000 This position is ridiculous. 0.99

00:30:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:30:25.000 We might as well be a king.

00:30:26.000 I'm the king of this land for four years.

00:30:29.000 And for four years, I'll be a just king.

00:30:32.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 I'll be a good king to the land.

00:30:35.000 It's a brutal job.

00:30:37.000 It works if there's 150 people.

00:30:39.000 What do they get paid?

00:30:40.000 It's not a good salary for what they get.

00:30:42.000 What is it?

00:30:43.000 What is the president?

00:30:44.000 400k, I think.

00:30:45.000 400k! 1.00

00:30:46.000 We're paying our fucking president. 1.00

00:30:47.000 That's one Burt Kreischer show. 1.00

00:30:49.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:30:50.000 We should be paying them more. 1.00

00:30:52.000 If we were paying them more, maybe more people would be getting the job.

00:30:56.000 Shouldn't they get at least what, I don't know, an A celebrity gets for one movie?

00:31:02.000 Shouldn't they at least get that?

00:31:04.000 We're gonna pay them half a million dollars to like...

00:31:07.000 What's even creepier is what they all wind up being insanely wealthy.

00:31:12.000 I wonder how that happens.

00:31:13.000 It's really interesting.

00:31:15.000 What happens is they give speeches.

00:31:18.000 So they give speeches to these people that help them get into position of being a president.

00:31:25.000 So, like, say if there's a large corporation, a large corporation, they donate a lot of money towards campaigns, and they also, oink, oink, we'd love to hear you talk someday.

00:31:34.000 Wait, you're not saying the corporations that give hundreds of millions of dollars for the president to come give the speech are actually secretly bribing them?

00:31:42.000 Well, that doesn't even make sense.

00:31:44.000 No one would think that.

00:31:45.000 Why would you do that?

00:31:49.000 Fortuitous pipeline to insane wealth to become a president and then give speeches.

00:31:54.000 Well, listen, if I was running a big corporation, you better believe I'd love to have a president come and give a five-minute speech.

00:32:00.000 A friend of mine saw Hillary Clinton speak once.

00:32:03.000 What did she say?

00:32:04.000 He said it was really weird.

00:32:06.000 It's like you're just watching someone get paid.

00:32:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:32:11.000 You're just watching some boring-ass speech. 0.97

00:32:15.000 I remember when Giuliani came to California. 0.98

00:32:20.000 And some people I know went to see that, too.

00:32:22.000 And it was the same sort of thing.

00:32:23.000 They were like, this is weird.

00:32:24.000 It's like right after 9-11.

00:32:26.000 And it's like, wow, you're just here seeing a guy get paid.

00:32:30.000 They're just saying a bunch of things, and they're like, okay, another 10 more minutes, and then I'm going to get out of here.

00:32:36.000 And what am I doing?

00:32:37.000 What are those speeches?

00:32:39.000 Imagine a speech that's worth a half a million dollars.

00:32:44.000 Imagine you're gonna bring a president in and he's gonna give a speech to all your CEOs and all these folks.

00:32:49.000 It's gonna be worth in value to you a half a million dollars.

00:32:53.000 Half a million dollar speech is a great speech.

00:32:55.000 It's not like Fluffy selling out the Dodger Stadium and crushing and doing stand-up and having people cry laughing for an hour and a half.

00:33:02.000 No, no, no.

00:33:04.000 He's not an act.

00:33:05.000 He's not the Rolling Stones.

00:33:06.000 He's not Tool.

00:33:07.000 He's just going to go up there, and they're going to talk about things that everybody already agrees on.

00:33:13.000 Like, the environment is a real issue, and we're going to solve it, bipartisan means.

00:33:19.000 And there's these speeches that they give.

00:33:23.000 Like, what do they say?

00:33:24.000 What kind of information do you have?

00:33:26.000 Like, I have the secrets of the scrolls.

00:33:29.000 I'll read them all to you.

00:33:30.000 That's what's worth a half a million dollars.

00:33:31.000 Or half a billion.

00:33:33.000 If you press your taint seven times and then pull your earlobes down, your hair will grow back.

00:33:40.000 And it actually works.

00:33:42.000 Right, that's worth a half a million dollars.

00:33:44.000 That's a half a million dollars speech.

00:33:45.000 But they're worth a half a billion.

00:33:49.000 Oh, you mean the presidents?

00:33:51.000 Yeah, they get to, like, crazy wealth.

00:33:53.000 Like, wild amounts of money come at them.

00:33:56.000 Right, yeah.

00:33:57.000 I mean, it's like, what's funny about this sort of thing is, it's inarguably true.

00:34:03.000 Like, it's just, you can't describe it in any other way.

00:34:07.000 It's like, we can't just hand bags of money to people when we want them to, like, do things for us and the government.

00:34:16.000 But we can, like, hide it and do a speech.

00:34:20.000 You can't—the funny thing is it has to be a speech because, like, that is a thing where it's like, well, how do you quantify the worth of a presidential speech?

00:34:27.000 You can't have them come and say, like, paint the wall or, like, clean a bathroom and you give them $400,000.

00:34:33.000 It has to be a speech.

00:34:35.000 And so— It's like all of this stuff, it's all out there.

00:34:39.000 It's 100% true.

00:34:41.000 We're not being cynical or conspiratorial.

00:34:44.000 It's fucking weird to pay anybody that much for a speech, much less somebody who's still in power and is going to be responsible for potentially passing legislation or helping legislation pass that's going to massively impact whatever your particular industry is. 0.71

00:35:00.000 It's obvious what's going on. 0.97

00:35:03.000 Well, this is the kind of stuff, speaking of hypnosis, that's like just on the periphery, right?

00:35:08.000 Like if you want to hang out in default reality, you're not really supposed to spend too much time thinking about that.

00:35:15.000 You're not supposed to spend too much time thinking about the fact that private corporations and public government sectors of government are weirdly the same thing.

00:35:28.000 They're connected by an invisible It's not even invisible.

00:35:32.000 Barely invisible.

00:35:33.000 It's just kind of shadowy.

00:35:36.000 The idea is the private sector is supposed to be separate from the public sector.

00:35:40.000 The private sector, if it influences the public sector, it does it via voting.

00:35:45.000 That was the idea of democracy, voting.

00:35:48.000 Not through donating money to the campaigns that make them get elected because they have the most money.

00:35:56.000 There's probably the most charismatic, incredible, brilliant dude out there.

00:36:01.000 He's got it all figured out, for real. 1.00

00:36:03.000 Like, someone who makes JFK look like a complete fucking idiot. 1.00

00:36:07.000 Like, someone like that good. 1.00

00:36:10.000 And, I don't know, he's living somewhere, and maybe he's like, man, I think I could really help.

00:36:15.000 But, he's like, how am I gonna raise...

00:36:19.000 $500 million to run a presidential campaign.

00:36:22.000 I can't do that.

00:36:24.000 So he doesn't run.

00:36:25.000 He can't.

00:36:26.000 And if he did try to run, he couldn't get the money to get to the point where the other ones have gotten to because they're being supported by the corporations.

00:36:32.000 So really what we've done is like we've managed to filter out all the other people who could be awesome because they can't get the money.

00:36:40.000 It's so sad if you think about it.

00:36:42.000 It really is.

00:36:43.000 Remember this last election?

00:36:46.000 You're looking at the two choices.

00:36:48.000 Like, imagine the Olympics, you know, or any, like, any other competition.

00:36:54.000 Imagine if, like, you're watching the two finalists in some Olympic, I don't know, gymnastic challenge, I don't know, like, tumbling or ice skating. 0.99

00:37:06.000 And like they both are really bad at fucking ice skating. 0.99

00:37:10.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:37:11.000 And you gotta pick one.

00:37:11.000 It's a binary now.

00:37:13.000 But they're both in different ways.

00:37:14.000 They're like really bad at it.

00:37:16.000 But you gotta pick one. 0.98

00:37:18.000 That's what really sucks. 0.97

00:37:20.000 That to me is like the real embarrassment in our country right now. 0.97

00:37:24.000 It's like... 0.99

00:37:26.000 You're giving us a shitty binary every fucking time. 0.99

00:37:29.000 And if I say, I don't want to participate in the binary, people are like, no, don't you get it? 0.99

00:37:36.000 Our country's future is in your hands.

00:37:40.000 You're like, yeah, but I don't like either of them.

00:37:43.000 They both seem awful.

00:37:45.000 One I don't like, the other I don't like.

00:37:47.000 I would not leave my kids alone with either of them. 0.97

00:37:52.000 I don't want to fucking support it at all, but we have to because it's a binary. 0.95

00:37:57.000 Do you not love your country? 0.98

00:37:59.000 Do you not believe in democracy?

00:38:00.000 But really you're looking at it like surely there were better people than this.

00:38:05.000 Like surely this isn't like the greatest representation of leadership.

00:38:12.000 I'm sorry I'm ranting a little too much.

00:38:14.000 No, it's perfect.

00:38:15.000 Here's the thing.

00:38:16.000 Imagine this. 0.97

00:38:17.000 We could reverse all the conditioning everyone fucking has been injected with on one side or the other for the last 10 years, right? 0.92

00:38:26.000 Then we just present like, alright, here's this dude and this dude. 0.98

00:38:31.000 One is Trump, one is Biden.

00:38:32.000 Would you like either of these people to be president? 1.00

00:38:36.000 Who would be like, oh yeah, let's get the fucking megalomaniac or let's get the old man who can't really put a sentence together. 0.98

00:38:45.000 Those are definitely the best choices out of all the other awesome, charismatic, young people out there who you could pick. 0.98

00:38:54.000 It's really depressing, man.

00:38:56.000 It's really depressing and it's sad that we're all at each other's throats. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Fighting over these like you know what I mean a stupid binary like we're presented with a dumb binary. 0.99

00:39:05.000 It's I Don't know I keep saying fucking no, it's a really good point. 1.00

00:39:09.000 It's a really good point because That's what separates most people. 0.94

00:39:14.000 It's not really their values It's that you think the other person is on the other party and the other party is inherently bad Everybody's doing it It's mostly incorrect.

00:39:27.000 Most people agree on most things.

00:39:29.000 Most people are good people.

00:39:31.000 Most people, we can't concentrate on the ones that aren't the most.

00:39:36.000 And we can't align ourselves with the ones who aren't the most. 0.99

00:39:40.000 The people that are the most asshole-ish on the left, that freak you out, Are just like the people that are the most asshole-ish on the right that freak you out. 0.99

00:39:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:50.000 They're the fucking, the rare extremes because that's just the spectrum of fucking human beings with any ideology. 0.99

00:39:58.000 You're gonna have the worst examples and the best examples. 1.00

00:40:01.000 You can meet Christians that literally make you want to go to church. 0.99

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 Like, my God, the way this man carries himself, the way this woman lives her life, the way they talk, the way they treat people, I want to be like that.

00:40:12.000 It's incredible.

00:40:12.000 I want to be like that.

00:40:14.000 Because they're good at it.

00:40:16.000 They're really good.

00:40:18.000 They're good.

00:40:19.000 And that's like that with everything.

00:40:21.000 Yeah.

00:40:22.000 With everything.

00:40:23.000 Right.

00:40:23.000 With politicians, with everything.

00:40:25.000 And if we are, as a group, aligned with only one of two choices, and so you're either on this side or you're on that side, and you always look at the people across the fence, fuck you, and they look at you, fucking losers. 1.00

00:40:36.000 Sad. 1.00

00:40:38.000 It's dumb. 1.00

00:40:39.000 It's the best way to keep us divided. 1.00

00:40:41.000 It's fucking stupid. 1.00

00:40:44.000 Most people agree on most things. 1.00

00:40:46.000 And the things that we disagree on, we should be able to talk through.

00:40:49.000 Right!

00:40:50.000 It shouldn't be. 1.00

00:40:51.000 There should not be a prohibition on a conversation about shit, man. 0.99

00:40:57.000 I don't think that whatever the system is that's picking The people we have to vote for that gets it down to two people. 0.99

00:41:05.000 I don't think this system is working very well.

00:41:10.000 Let's imagine you were designing a machine.

00:41:12.000 The machine somehow could scan apples.

00:41:15.000 You press a button and the machine rolls out two of the best apples out of like 500 apples.

00:41:21.000 I don't know why you want the machine.

00:41:22.000 You just like good apples. 0.99

00:41:24.000 But imagine you press a button and two fucking worm-filled rotten apples roll out. 1.00

00:41:31.000 And instead of being like, oh shit, the machine's broken. 1.00

00:41:34.000 You go like, the machine works! 1.00

00:41:36.000 Clearly, these are the best fucking apples. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Pick one of them. 0.99

00:41:40.000 You can only pick one of them.

00:41:42.000 But don't say our machine's broken.

00:41:44.000 It's picking the best apples!

00:41:46.000 Look, they're great!

00:41:48.000 And then, of course, there's going to be bitterness and fighting and division.

00:41:53.000 Because it's like cognitive dissonance, man.

00:41:57.000 It's like you have to find a way to fix in your head that you have... 1.00

00:42:03.000 Hitched your fucking wagon to a bad apple, right? 1.00

00:42:07.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:42:07.000 And that sucks and that's gonna create insecurity. 1.00

00:42:10.000 Insecurity creates fear, resentment, anger. 1.00

00:42:15.000 So then you just have a shit ton of insecure people battling each other because they're both somehow incapable of saying, yeah, our guy sucks. 0.99

00:42:24.000 So does your guy. 1.00

00:42:25.000 Yeah, our guy really sucks too. 0.99

00:42:26.000 The moment we start saying that, then things could get really cool. 0.98

00:42:31.000 That's where it could get really interesting.

00:42:33.000 Because I think most people should agree, like, come on.

00:42:37.000 Come on.

00:42:38.000 Is your guy really that great?

00:42:40.000 You pick which guy it is.

00:42:41.000 Really?

00:42:42.000 Is that the best example of an American or a human being?

00:42:46.000 Is that the best example?

00:42:47.000 I mean, would you want that guy to...

00:42:51.000 Be alone with your kids.

00:42:52.000 And I'm saying you could use this for anybody.

00:42:54.000 You could use that test.

00:42:56.000 If you don't have kids, would you want that...

00:42:58.000 I don't know.

00:42:59.000 Would you want that guy to be alone with...

00:43:01.000 I don't know.

00:43:02.000 I can't fill in the blank if you don't have kids.

00:43:04.000 I'm sorry for doing like a breeder talk.

00:43:07.000 It's a good one.

00:43:08.000 Like the people that you protect over.

00:43:12.000 And I don't mean alone with your kids like they're going to abuse your kids.

00:43:15.000 I mean alone with your kids.

00:43:16.000 I know what you're saying.

00:43:17.000 Like are they going to be able to...

00:43:24.000 Will they even be able to pick your kid up and put your kid in the crib?

00:43:28.000 Like, are they capable of being alone with your children? 0.99

00:43:32.000 If the answer is no, You gotta find someone else for the fucking job, because they're in charge of all of us! 0.99

00:43:39.000 They're in charge of all of us! 1.00

00:43:41.000 You gotta find someone who's going to be able to do shit that keeps all of our fucking kids okay. 1.00

00:43:50.000 And if they can't be alone with kids, then probably they shouldn't be president, if you ask me. 1.00

00:43:55.000 They shouldn't be president if they can't drive a car.

00:43:59.000 I don't think they should be president.

00:44:01.000 This isn't an ageist thing to say.

00:44:02.000 I mean, it's whatever age you are.

00:44:04.000 You should be able to drive a car.

00:44:06.000 You should know how to like get in a car and drive it down the road and use your turn signals and what the speed limit is. 0.82

00:44:12.000 It teaches you what everyone goes through every fucking day when they have to drive to work, when they're driving. 0.91

00:44:17.000 So know how to drive a car. 0.99

00:44:19.000 You should be able to be alone with kids. 1.00

00:44:21.000 We should put this in the fucking Constitution. 0.99

00:44:24.000 We should have built into how we're doing these things like prerequisites. 0.99

00:44:29.000 Prerequisites for the job, just like any other job. 0.98

00:44:33.000 It doesn't have to be intense prerequisites, but it's just really depressing when there's a prohibition on just pointing out the obvious shit. 0.97

00:44:42.000 But here's the problem. 0.96

00:44:43.000 What are the alternatives?

00:44:44.000 We'd have to blow up the system.

00:44:46.000 And if you wanted to blow up the system, the people that are in power would have to lose power.

00:44:50.000 They're not gonna do that.

00:44:52.000 The FBI's like, you know what? 0.99

00:44:54.000 We're not the best at investigating shit. 1.00

00:44:56.000 You guys take over. 0.99

00:44:57.000 The CIA's like, you know, intelligence?

00:44:59.000 Have we done the best?

00:45:00.000 I don't know.

00:45:01.000 Maybe there's a better option.

00:45:02.000 Why don't you guys take it? 0.98

00:45:04.000 That's fucking never gonna happen. 0.98

00:45:05.000 Ever, ever, ever, ever. 0.99

00:45:07.000 No.

00:45:07.000 The idea is just to continue to improve upon the systems that we already have.

00:45:11.000 They're not perfect, but they're better than nothing, and if we blow it all up, who the fuck is gonna take... 0.99

00:45:16.000 If we blow it all up, it's William Wallace up in this bitch. 1.00

00:45:19.000 Okay? 1.00

00:45:19.000 If you decide that this government no longer has power over the people, and then a bunch of people start assuming power and saying that they have power, you got a real fucking problem. 1.00

00:45:28.000 I don't think you gotta blow it up. 0.98

00:45:30.000 Don't blow it up.

00:45:31.000 I don't think it's even necessary.

00:45:32.000 But that's what I'm saying.

00:45:33.000 It's like that's the only way it's going to change.

00:45:36.000 I think there's other ways it could change, but what it would require is...

00:45:41.000 When I say change, I mean like a complete restructuring.

00:45:45.000 I don't mean like let's make it so the politics don't get bought out by money.

00:45:50.000 I mean a way where people have to be informed about the things that they have opinions on that are super critical. 0.96

00:45:58.000 So like there's a real responsibility for everyone that's involved in all these decision-making aspects of voting to know what the fuck the consequences are for real. 0.68

00:46:09.000 The problem is when it comes to certain things like climate change, right? 0.86

00:46:13.000 You say climate change, you don't agree with the consensus of climate change?

00:46:18.000 If you don't jump on board immediately, people want to bark at you and very few of them have done any research.

00:46:27.000 And I'm not saying that climate change is not real.

00:46:30.000 I'm just saying when something's like that, Where it's like, this is what it is, and the science is...

00:46:35.000 Almost immediately, I'm like, hold on.

00:46:39.000 Yeah, right.

00:46:40.000 Hold on.

00:46:41.000 Where are you getting this information from?

00:46:44.000 And why do you think it's going to be this insane disaster?

00:46:49.000 Are you sure?

00:46:50.000 Yes.

00:46:51.000 Are you absolutely sure?

00:46:52.000 Or is it possible that this has happened throughout history?

00:46:55.000 That people have always...

00:46:58.000 Talked about whether it's the ice ages come in or whether it's a there's always been some big fear-mongering thing about some climate disaster It's always happened You know, it's funny to me about that stuff is people take themselves out of the climate So it's like people talk about climate change as though the climate were something external right to the human whereas like there's an Interior climate like a subconscious climate A semi-conscious climate that is

00:47:28.000 the sum total of the interior lives of everyone on the planet.

00:47:32.000 And that gets left out because we can't quantify it.

00:47:35.000 That is a climate.

00:47:35.000 It's a climate of fear.

00:47:36.000 It's a climate of compassion.

00:47:38.000 Whatever it could be.

00:47:40.000 And there's storms.

00:47:41.000 There's storms.

00:47:42.000 Hurricanes that rip through that.

00:47:44.000 Civil war.

00:47:45.000 Civil war or just riots or war.

00:47:48.000 And so whenever you're seeing a war happen, you are looking at like a sort of subjective internal yet collective societal hurricane happening and destroying stuff, but it's doing it via like the human system,

00:48:04.000 the human biome.

00:48:05.000 And so to me, I think that there isn't a quick fix to this, but...

00:48:15.000 Carl Jung.

00:48:16.000 Carl Jung.

00:48:16.000 You know who Carl Jung is?

00:48:17.000 He's like Freud.

00:48:18.000 Okay.

00:48:19.000 Carl Jung, I'm sure a million people have already said this on your podcast.

00:48:22.000 His idea was that leaders are a projection of the collective unconscious.

00:48:29.000 So whatever the world leader is that you're looking at, you're actually looking at a physical representation of Of the internal subjective lives of the collective, right?

00:48:40.000 So when you see like a Biden, you're seeing the shadow of society.

00:48:46.000 When you're seeing a Trump, it's our shadow.

00:48:48.000 That's what you're looking at.

00:48:49.000 Like this is where connectivity, interdependence comes up.

00:48:55.000 It's like we're all connected.

00:48:56.000 Whoever the person is that ends up being the mouthpiece for all of us, we all have a tiny little thread of quantum energy injected into that thing and we're kind of looking at ourselves.

00:49:08.000 Part of ourselves we might not want to admit is there.

00:49:11.000 So the idea would be if You can find in your own little internal climate a way to cool it down.

00:49:21.000 Cool it down.

00:49:22.000 Stop heating up so much.

00:49:25.000 Get peace.

00:49:26.000 I remember a long time ago, man, you talked to me about this.

00:49:29.000 It stuck with me for the longest time because I was more turbulent back then.

00:49:33.000 But it's this idea of maintaining an even keel.

00:49:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:37.000 Find a way to be stable, consistently.

00:49:41.000 Every day in your own life and stability will appear naturally around you, right?

00:49:47.000 But if you are prone to reactivity, anger, freakouts, whatever it is, mania, whatever the thing is, then The people around you, they're always kind of worried like, what version of this dude am I getting today?

00:50:03.000 Am I going to get the happy version?

00:50:05.000 Am I going to get the freaked out version?

00:50:06.000 Am I going to get the angry version?

00:50:07.000 Am I going to get the cool version?

00:50:09.000 And if it's really extreme the way your behavior is warping and shifting, you could only expect chaos around you because people get nervous around instability, right?

00:50:19.000 So then if all of us We're reactive. 0.99

00:50:23.000 Like if suddenly a wave of reactivity swept through the whole planet and people started thinking it was normal to like pendulum between moods and to react to the moods and like, this is me or what the fuck or extremes, then you would expect the representation of all of us to be kind of fucked up. 0.88

00:50:43.000 And so the idea is if we could all kind of calm down a little bit, find some peace, find a way to like be actually calm, not repressed. 0.65

00:50:51.000 Like, you know, when you're freaking out on mushrooms and you try to pretend you're not or when you go to a party where they give weed.

00:50:57.000 I don't know if you ever been to an edible weed party.

00:50:59.000 Yes.

00:50:59.000 And everyone's trying to pretend they're not freaking the fuck out.

00:51:04.000 The worst parties. 0.86

00:51:06.000 Dude, I was a judge at a cannabis cup.

00:51:08.000 There you go.

00:51:10.000 I was like seven, eight different flavors in because they give you like a pillbox.

00:51:16.000 Brutal.

00:51:16.000 You know, like a Monday through Sunday pillbox and each one of them has a different strain and you're supposed to test each strain.

00:51:23.000 By the time you get to Wednesday, You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about! 1.00

00:51:30.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:51:31.000 I remember talking to this dude who was telling me about the cannabis community.

00:51:34.000 It was really interesting because I was beyond barbecued to the point where like words were coming out and I would hear the sounds That the words would make, and I would see the words coming out of the person's mouth.

00:51:49.000 But what I got was feelings.

00:51:52.000 I got like bars of feelings, like registered feelings above each word.

00:51:58.000 So as this guy was talking, I could tell what he was trying to do.

00:52:02.000 And he was trying to say that he loves and appreciates the cannabis community and he feels very close to them as a community and that they all have each other's backs.

00:52:12.000 I know if anything goes wrong with me, the cannabis community has my back.

00:52:16.000 And it was this thing that he was doing when he was communicating with me because I was so barbecued.

00:52:22.000 I got to realize that's what we're doing all the time.

00:52:25.000 We're doing all the time.

00:52:26.000 We're not always just trying to get our words out.

00:52:29.000 We're trying to like project a tone and figure out a way to get people to like us more.

00:52:38.000 Yes.

00:52:38.000 Or be more impressed by us.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 And that's like a giant percentage of what people do when they talk all day.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 Well, it's insecurity.

00:52:51.000 I mean, it's like the idea is you have... 1.00

00:52:55.000 I just read this shit, man. 1.00

00:52:57.000 It blew my fucking mind. 1.00

00:52:58.000 Here's the idea. 1.00

00:53:02.000 Everything is your mind, right?

00:53:05.000 So, not like spiritual woo-woo-wee.

00:53:09.000 Literally, everything you see is your mind because your sense organs are taking in phenomena and that's all getting translated via your brain into something we call reality.

00:53:21.000 So, literally, when you're seeing the color yellow, You're seeing your own mind.

00:53:25.000 That's the way your mind translates whatever the particular wavelength of yellow is into the thing that you call yellow.

00:53:32.000 It's literally your mind.

00:53:33.000 Everything you're seeing is your mind.

00:53:34.000 That's just the way it is.

00:53:36.000 But what happens is we start thinking it's not our mind.

00:53:41.000 There's a me and a you.

00:53:43.000 There's an outside me and an inside me.

00:53:46.000 Even though this is 100% not the case, there is probably something outside of you, but that's not what you're seeing.

00:53:52.000 You're seeing an incredible symphony of neurotransmitters that are all harmonizing in a way that produces your reality.

00:54:00.000 So when you see an enemy or a friend, when you see someone you love and someone you hate, all your mind.

00:54:07.000 The feeling of love, your mind.

00:54:09.000 The feeling of hate, your mind.

00:54:12.000 So... 0.99

00:54:13.000 When you get really fucking confused, not realizing this is on my mind, you start picking shit out. 0.99

00:54:19.000 This person, that person, this thing, that thing, and you would start attaching to it. 0.99

00:54:24.000 You start attaching to it to try to feel better, right?

00:54:27.000 So you're like, if I can make this person like me, I'm gonna feel better now.

00:54:31.000 I'm gonna feel good again or something's gonna make me feel better and This is what what you're talking about.

00:54:37.000 This is where you begin the never-ending cycle In Buddhism called samsara where it's just a never-ending attempt to rearrange your mind into some way that is going to give you a sense of like, okay Everything's fine now never-ending Never-ending!

00:54:55.000 Not only never-ending in this life, but literally zillions of incarnations. 0.93

00:55:00.000 You've been doing the same fucking thing over and over again in different ways. 0.99

00:55:04.000 And so the moment you realize this is my mind, this is all my mind, then all of a sudden that's when shit gets really interesting because now you might begin to change the way you start trying to get shit out of your mind, 0.99

00:55:21.000 out of like, you know, Getting the thing you desire, pushing away. 0.95

00:55:26.000 You stop defending as much, too. 1.00

00:55:28.000 You're defending against your own fucking mind. 1.00

00:55:30.000 I mean, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:55:31.000 Like, so many people are super defensive all the time.

00:55:34.000 They're trying to keep themselves from being hurt, which is really smart, but... 0.99

00:55:42.000 What they're defending themselves from is words, perceived opinions, real like high-level social animal shit. 0.99

00:55:50.000 They're not defending themselves against bear attacks, lions, arrows. 0.99

00:55:54.000 They're defending themselves against like psychic impacts.

00:55:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:58.000 So it's not even a danger.

00:56:00.000 Like when someone says some shitty thing to you, And you get triggered and then you react to that shitty thing.

00:56:07.000 Like, experiment with not reacting.

00:56:10.000 See what happens if you don't get revenge when the person does the thing to you they always do that you get revenge for.

00:56:15.000 You just don't get revenge.

00:56:17.000 You just don't do the thing that you thought you had to do or they're gonna do it again!

00:56:21.000 Watch what happens.

00:56:22.000 Nothing.

00:56:23.000 You're fine.

00:56:24.000 Nothing happens.

00:56:25.000 You don't need the aggression, the defense.

00:56:27.000 So yeah, man, that's really interesting to me.

00:56:29.000 It's just your mind. 1.00

00:56:31.000 And you're at war with your own fucking mind. 1.00

00:56:33.000 All day long for the rest of your life. 1.00

00:56:37.000 You belong for the rest of your life!

00:56:39.000 Every day!

00:56:41.000 A raging war against yourself. 0.99

00:56:43.000 I mean, again, I'm not saying that you don't need from time to time to set boundaries and tell someone, don't fucking do that. 0.99

00:56:49.000 But at least for me personally, a lot of the time, the stuff that I was getting all bristly about, It really was just my own, it was my own bullshit. 0.97

00:57:01.000 There wasn't really anything to get bristly about or to defend against there. 0.99

00:57:06.000 And when you start doing that kind of like internal piecework, man, all of a sudden shit around you starts changing because it's your mind.

00:57:17.000 The idea is if this is all your mind, then if your mind calmed down, maybe all this stuff around you would calm down too.

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:25.000 That's the idea.

00:57:26.000 It might actually be the same thing.

00:57:28.000 So if you start getting calm, if you start getting a little space between you and your thoughts, just maybe, just maybe that your enemies won't seem quite like enemies anymore.

00:57:41.000 The people that you have been waking up in the middle of the night thinking about pouring acid in their mouth.

00:57:51.000 Maybe you'll realize it's like...

00:57:54.000 The example that I read... 0.99

00:57:56.000 And then I'll shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:57:58.000 I'm sorry, everybody. 0.96

00:57:59.000 The example that I read was...

00:58:02.000 It's like someone shoots an arrow at you.

00:58:05.000 And they miss.

00:58:06.000 It lands at your feet.

00:58:08.000 This is when someone says something shitty to you or you get upset about something someone's doing.

00:58:12.000 You don't see that person for weeks, maybe.

00:58:14.000 But the example is the arrow lands at your feet and you pick it up.

00:58:17.000 And you start stabbing yourself with the arrow going, why did they shoot me with this arrow?

00:58:22.000 I can't believe they did that!

00:58:24.000 Every time you bring them to your mind.

00:58:26.000 Every time you wake up thinking about them.

00:58:28.000 Every time you have that fake conversation when you see them and you're going to one-up them.

00:58:32.000 That's just you going, ah!

00:58:33.000 Yeah, why did they shoot me with this arrow? 0.99

00:58:36.000 You know, you're just massacring yourself with your own mind. 0.90

00:58:40.000 You don't have to do that.

00:58:41.000 You actually can stop.

00:58:43.000 You don't have to constantly be stabbing yourself.

00:58:48.000 Yeah, that's great advice.

00:58:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:58:51.000 No, no, no.

00:58:51.000 It really is great advice.

00:58:53.000 And that's the problem with the human mind, is it doesn't come with an owner's manual.

00:58:58.000 And they're all different, you know?

00:59:01.000 Again, some of them are lawnmowers, some of them are Ferraris.

00:59:05.000 Well, I mean... 0.99

00:59:06.000 We don't come with a fucking owner's manual. 0.99

00:59:09.000 Nothing. 0.99

00:59:10.000 Nothing.

00:59:10.000 Yeah, and you're sorting out some of the most complex things.

00:59:15.000 You're sorting out languages that are different, emotions that are different, cultures that are different, genders that are different. 0.81

00:59:24.000 All these fucking different things are being sorted out in real time while we melt the earth. 0.98

00:59:31.000 Why the fucking ocean's filled up with our garbage and the temperature just keeps rising and everyone's like, don't worry, it's fine. 0.99

00:59:39.000 Buy this Miami beachfront condo. 0.99

00:59:41.000 Oh my god.

00:59:43.000 Oh my god.

00:59:44.000 Yeah, that's so sad.

00:59:45.000 But the thing is, like, There's too many variables.

00:59:51.000 I don't think we have a mind that's designed for the variables that exist in modern society.

00:59:56.000 There's too many variables because you're getting news from the entire world.

01:00:00.000 So you're getting everything catastrophic that happens amongst seven point whatever billion people.

01:00:05.000 That's too much data.

01:00:07.000 And you're interacting with people that are nowhere near you, primarily. 0.91

01:00:14.000 Most of your human interactions are coming via cyber world, which is fucking bizarre to accept. 0.91

01:00:22.000 And then on top of that, you're probably having to sit through traffic, and you're probably stacked on top of a bunch of people in an apartment building, and you're probably annoyed that there's so many fucking people around you all. 0.86

01:00:36.000 It's an unnatural state for most people. 0.83

01:00:39.000 Most people.

01:00:41.000 And it's all rapidly changing while we remain the same.

01:00:47.000 So it's all putting these new demands on us.

01:00:51.000 Yeah.

01:00:51.000 Why we remain the same biological entity that existed when the railroad was a big freakout.

01:00:57.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 The trains are going to kill people.

01:00:59.000 They go too fast.

01:01:01.000 Too fast.

01:01:01.000 That's what they thought, right?

01:01:02.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Didn't you think like 35 miles an hour or something?

01:01:04.000 35. After 35, you're dead fucking meat. 1.00

01:01:07.000 You're dead. 1.00

01:01:07.000 People are just going to kill. 1.00

01:01:08.000 It's the same thing we did with 5G. They were doing that with trains.

01:01:12.000 That might be real though.

01:01:13.000 That might be getting us right now.

01:01:15.000 We don't know about it yet.

01:01:16.000 5G? Zapping us?

01:01:16.000 You know what someone said to me about 5G? What?

01:01:18.000 They said that 5G is eventually going to evolve to the point where it could be implemented as like a radar system in someone's home.

01:01:28.000 I said that.

01:01:29.000 Is that you?

01:01:30.000 Yeah, I read that.

01:01:31.000 Tell me what you said. 1.00

01:01:32.000 Oh, damn it, Joe. 0.99

01:01:33.000 You know, man, again, let me just... 1.00

01:01:35.000 We're in clown suits.

01:01:36.000 You know what? 1.00

01:01:37.000 We're in fucking clown suits. 1.00

01:01:37.000 I'm sorry, I forgot it was you that told me. 1.00

01:01:39.000 I was trying to remember.

01:01:40.000 Oh, no, I don't care.

01:01:41.000 Here's the thing.

01:01:42.000 Whatever I say after this, it's probably wrong.

01:01:45.000 But I did...

01:01:46.000 Because I go on really weird rabbit holes on the internet, and the problem is I don't remember where I get the data from, okay?

01:01:52.000 Jamie will find the data.

01:01:53.000 Okay.

01:01:54.000 But what was the premise of it?

01:01:55.000 Premises that potentially 5g could be used as some kind of radar system that like it's so powerful that you could theoretically see people moving inside of buildings Using 5g somehow there might be a way to like look at the way the 5g is being like I don't know Doesn't that make sense though that like ultimately that's gonna happen and if we have phones and everybody carries a phone with them So you know where you're... 0.61

01:02:21.000 Unless you're one of those really rebellious ultra-marathon runners who puts his fucking phone in his desk drawer when he gets into work and just leaves it there all day.

01:02:29.000 Most people have their phone on them. 0.99

01:02:30.000 So there's proximity tracking, right?

01:02:32.000 You know where you are at all points in time.

01:02:35.000 And if you have some sort of a thing that's just like...

01:02:39.000 You know, the misinformation and malinformation board is requiring that we install these on all chips.

01:02:45.000 And all that is doing is utilizing 5G to get a sense of everything that's in the space.

01:02:51.000 Right.

01:02:52.000 It would be...

01:02:52.000 I don't know if it's possible with today's technology, but that doesn't seem outrageous at all.

01:02:57.000 That they would...

01:02:57.000 It's just...

01:02:58.000 The fact that you can send a fucking video instantaneously to your friend in Italy, like that... 1.00

01:03:04.000 Like that! 1.00

01:03:05.000 You send a video, they get it on their iMessage, oh shit, that looks cool. 0.99

01:03:08.000 That is wild. 0.96

01:03:10.000 The idea that it could track your movements and know the 3D space around it, that doesn't even seem outrageous.

01:03:16.000 It's not that outrageous.

01:03:18.000 I mean, yeah, I don't think people really like to deal with how surveilled we already are, because the surveillance is broken up among us.

01:03:27.000 Fast computers, 5G networks, and radar that passes through walls are bringing x-ray vision closer to reality.

01:03:34.000 It's real.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:03:36.000 There you go.

01:03:37.000 So there it is.

01:03:38.000 So that was ideas, like, because...

01:03:39.000 Thank God it's real.

01:03:40.000 I mean...

01:03:41.000 We would have cut it out.

01:03:43.000 We don't want to get in trouble with the new board.

01:03:46.000 Mal-information, dude. 0.93

01:03:48.000 That would be misinformation.

01:03:50.000 That's even worse than mal-information. 1.00

01:03:51.000 Dude, imagine if like the shit got in your house. 0.99

01:03:54.000 That's where it gets really creepy. 1.00

01:03:55.000 Like somehow the fact you're like, all right, well, it's just the Ministry of Truth on Twitter.

01:04:01.000 Whatever, dude. 1.00

01:04:01.000 Twitter's dumb. 1.00

01:04:02.000 I don't care anyway. 0.99

01:04:04.000 It's just the Ministry of Truth on Facebook or Instagram.

01:04:06.000 I don't care.

01:04:06.000 Well, that's what TikTok is.

01:04:07.000 TikTok, whatever. 0.99

01:04:08.000 I don't fucking care. 0.99

01:04:09.000 You really don't care. 0.99

01:04:11.000 It's like, but imagine if it was just on screens in your house, right?

01:04:15.000 Like if hanging in your house, there was, I don't know, just a light that if someone starts speaking misinformation, it starts glowing red or something. 0.99

01:04:24.000 And you're like, oh shit, that thing you just said, it's like the light's blinking, so it's bullshit. 0.99

01:04:29.000 It would be... 1.00

01:04:30.000 It would be fucking horrible. 0.98

01:04:32.000 It'd be scary, but somehow because it's like we still externalize the Social media as like an outside space even though it's in our house It's in our pockets right next to us all the time. 0.99

01:04:43.000 Yeah, it seems like alright, you know the whatever that is. 0.98

01:04:46.000 It's just on the outside It's not on the inside yet, but it's really it's it's it's kind of is you turn on the TV I don't care what you're fucking watching man. 0.65

01:04:55.000 I mean, it's like Okay It's fucked up that Everybody knows that most of our politicians in some way, shape, or form are making money from various- How much do you think they make? 0.86

01:05:09.000 Like, how much do you think Obama's worth? 0.72

01:05:12.000 Let's take a guess.

01:05:13.000 In calculus.

01:05:14.000 Let's take a guess.

01:05:16.000 A billion?

01:05:17.000 How much do you think he's worth, Jamie?

01:05:19.000 Cool prices, right?

01:05:21.000 500 million sounds like a good number.

01:05:23.000 I'll go lower.

01:05:24.000 I'll go three.

01:05:25.000 Three.

01:05:26.000 Three's good.

01:05:26.000 Three's reasonable.

01:05:27.000 He's a reasonable man.

01:05:29.000 Let's see.

01:05:30.000 Well, those numbers are wrong.

01:05:32.000 How much is someone's worth?

01:05:33.000 I don't know how to find it correctly.

01:05:35.000 No, I think that'd probably be pretty public.

01:05:37.000 It's like an Elon Musk type deal.

01:05:39.000 When I type in everything saying 70. 70 million?

01:05:42.000 That's it?

01:05:44.000 Well, again, we're talking about, like, the way this gets quantified.

01:05:49.000 The quantification mechanism is like...

01:05:52.000 But what's it worth?

01:05:53.000 What's the value of it?

01:05:55.000 Billions. 0.99

01:05:56.000 Yeah, you can now, like, it's like, they have shit we will never even hear about. 0.99

01:05:59.000 Elon bought Twitter for 44 billion. 0.98

01:06:01.000 What do you think it's worth to be the president?

01:06:03.000 You know, that should put it into perspective.

01:06:06.000 Twitter's worth 44 billion.

01:06:07.000 What's it worth to be the president of the United States?

01:06:09.000 It's gotta be worth 20. I'm also seeing Michelle's worth at least 70 also.

01:06:16.000 It's a lot of money.

01:06:17.000 Congratulations.

01:06:18.000 Look, he was a great president.

01:06:20.000 Out of all the presidents that would speak, I would like to just see him speak.

01:06:24.000 He was really good at giving speeches.

01:06:27.000 He's a fantastic statesman.

01:06:28.000 God, those were the good old days. 0.99

01:06:30.000 I don't know who the fuck knows what it's like to be the president. 0.97

01:06:33.000 But as far as a representative of the United States, I think he was the best ever. 0.99

01:06:38.000 The best ever.

01:06:39.000 We've got that wonderful interview he did.

01:06:41.000 I don't remember what show he was on, where they asked him about UFOs.

01:06:45.000 And he like really did a kind of micro pause or something.

01:06:48.000 Like in the UFO boards, it always pops up every once in a while.

01:06:52.000 It's like this weird moment where he's like, I can't talk about that. 0.99

01:06:55.000 But it's like on his face, you kind of see this like thing that if you're into UFOs, you're like, oh, fuck. 0.97

01:07:01.000 He's like bummed that he can't talk about it, but he knows something. 0.99

01:07:04.000 I'm sure they know something.

01:07:05.000 I don't know how much the president gets to know.

01:07:09.000 Because the problem is a guy like Trump.

01:07:11.000 Like, what would keep him from blabbing?

01:07:13.000 If they told him, I mean, he was on a show once and they asked him about UFOs too, and he said something about he knows some things, but he can't talk about them.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.000 There's a lot of things.

01:07:21.000 But just that, saying that, that means they're real.

01:07:25.000 If you say you know some things and you can't talk about them, you're essentially saying they're real.

01:07:30.000 Because if it's like it's all nonsense, wouldn't you tell the people it's all nonsense?

01:07:33.000 Tell us it's nonsense, sir.

01:07:35.000 Make me sleep well at night.

01:07:36.000 You're the president.

01:07:37.000 But if you say there's some things I know and I can't talk about them, I think that's basically what he said.

01:07:43.000 But aren't we post thinking UFOs are fake now? 0.97

01:07:46.000 Like now, if you believe UFOs are bullshit, you're in a minority now. 0.89

01:07:51.000 Because you're talking about the US government has been doing like hearings where they are saying, yeah, some of this stuff we don't know, but we've picked it up. 0.96

01:08:01.000 So the phenomena is real.

01:08:03.000 It's no longer just swamp gas.

01:08:05.000 The question is how many of them are drones?

01:08:15.000 Yeah.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:26.000 Like that Tic Tac one that Commander David Fravor found off the coast of San Diego in 2004. That's the craziest one.

01:08:34.000 Because there's multiple jets watched this thing.

01:08:37.000 They got it on radar.

01:08:38.000 They got visual.

01:08:40.000 They got a video of it taking off at an insane rate of speed. 0.99

01:08:43.000 They don't know what the fuck that thing was. 0.98

01:08:46.000 No visible heat signature. 0.98

01:08:48.000 Moving at speeds that are impossible to describe how fast it is.

01:08:54.000 Going from 50,000 feet to 50 in a second.

01:08:58.000 Yeah.

01:08:59.000 Because that's how...

01:09:00.000 They said it just appeared there.

01:09:02.000 You know, because I think a radar blip...

01:09:03.000 Is it a second?

01:09:04.000 How long is the...

01:09:05.000 No idea.

01:09:06.000 Or is it continuous now?

01:09:08.000 How do they work?

01:09:09.000 Do they work the same way they used to work in those old movies?

01:09:11.000 Boop! 0.95

01:09:14.000 Remember like close encounters?

01:09:16.000 Oh yeah.

01:09:16.000 You see the things in the radar?

01:09:18.000 I mean it's got to be more sophisticated than that now, right? 0.98

01:09:20.000 Yeah, now it's just like it's looking at ripples or something like it's not there's no space in between it's just instantaneously you could see whatever the fuck it is. 0.96

01:09:29.000 So whatever the fuck this thing was they tracked this and this thing moved in a way that is indescribable. 0.96

01:09:34.000 Look they can't they can't imagine some way using the methods that we know about propulsion systems and applying it to this craft and getting it to move the way it did. 0.99

01:09:44.000 We, we've said this, I've said this, I feel like we've said everything once on your podcast by now, but like, coral reef, some blind creature starts developing an optic nerve.

01:09:55.000 And all of a sudden, one day after billions of years or millions of years evolution, the eye opens. 0.98

01:10:02.000 You see the coral reef instead of just having to like sense movement in the fucking coral reef. 0.99

01:10:07.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:10:07.000 That's gonna be a crazy moment for the first thing to see that when all it's been feeling are these like weird shifts and movements. 0.97

01:10:14.000 So probably whatever this technology is and if you like go like Terence McKenna and look at technology as some kind of appendage of the planet, some new sensory apparatus that's appearing out of the collective,

01:10:32.000 then probably we're just getting the ability to see what's really out there.

01:10:38.000 What's really out there is probably what people have been saying for thousands of years, people who spent lifetimes meditating in the forest and went through all this weird shit, and they started seeing it too.

01:10:49.000 What's out there is innumerable forms of life and intelligence that aren't locked into the classic idea of what life looks like, carbon-based life, or just starting to see the cause.

01:11:03.000 That's what they used to call them, the gods, angels, whatever.

01:11:06.000 There's devas or jinn.

01:11:10.000 And that's what our technology is.

01:11:12.000 It's starting to pick up that.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, enabling us to see something that's always been here.

01:11:17.000 Always.

01:11:18.000 Just living with us, like, we're gonna have to deal with that.

01:11:22.000 Doesn't that make sense?

01:11:23.000 Yes.

01:11:24.000 That we've been colonized a long time ago, and they just go in and out of the ocean, do as they please, move in ways that we can't track, we don't understand, and it wasn't until really, really recently that they even be able to use radar to detect them.

01:11:39.000 Like, when was the invention of radar?

01:11:41.000 Right, yeah.

01:11:41.000 Was that 150 years?

01:11:43.000 No idea.

01:11:44.000 When did they figure out radar?

01:11:47.000 Imagine before radar. 0.99

01:11:48.000 Fucking what? 0.99

01:11:49.000 Would you see? 0.99

01:11:50.000 Yeah.

01:11:51.000 You don't have a video?

01:11:52.000 There's no video yet.

01:11:53.000 No video.

01:11:53.000 Video didn't even start happening until the 1800s, right?

01:11:56.000 So at what point in time were they supposed to have an accurate...

01:12:00.000 It would be so easy to spy on us.

01:12:02.000 You had to carve it into a pyramid if you thought... 1.00

01:12:07.000 That's Mikey, he's full of shit. 1.00

01:12:09.000 He's always talking about being visited by gods. 1.00

01:12:11.000 You're carving a UFO into the pyramid again?

01:12:14.000 Stop it! 0.99

01:12:16.000 Stop riding on the pyramid!

01:12:18.000 You know, when you discuss ancient civilizations and you look at the Great Pyramids of Egypt and all the structures of Egypt, they're so magnificent.

01:12:27.000 That you have to wonder, like, what was that society like?

01:12:31.000 What was that culture like when those things were up and running?

01:12:34.000 What was that like, man?

01:12:36.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 Because I am, I mean, I'm absolutely not an archaeologist or a historian.

01:12:44.000 But when I look at those structures and someone says that those things are 5,000 years old, you think about how long ago that was. 0.98

01:12:54.000 How fucking smart were those people? 0.98

01:12:56.000 Very smart. 1.00

01:12:57.000 How did they know all that?

01:13:00.000 How did they do it?

01:13:01.000 What was it like living amongst them? 1.00

01:13:03.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99

01:13:05.000 The Great Pyramid of Gies is like 2,300,000 stones. 1.00

01:13:10.000 Yeah.

01:13:11.000 They're monstrous.

01:13:12.000 They're so—the way it's engineered is so beyond imagination that 5,000 years ago people could—but obviously they did.

01:13:21.000 So what were they like, man?

01:13:23.000 And what happened?

01:13:25.000 I think it's the Graham Hancock-Randall Carlson idea.

01:13:29.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.74

01:13:29.000 I think that human beings had reached a very high level of sophistication and we got fucking flatlined again by comet impacts. 0.74

01:13:38.000 Yeah.

01:13:39.000 That's the Younger Dryas impact theory and it makes a fuckload of sense when you see things like the pyramids.

01:13:44.000 When you see things like all these old structures, especially ones they can't really date that well.

01:13:50.000 Like, that's the dirty secret about that carbon dating stuff.

01:13:53.000 You gotta date carbon.

01:13:54.000 You're not gonna date rocks, right?

01:13:56.000 So you have to find, like, organic material in between the rocks, stuff that's around the rocks, but you don't really know when everybody cut it.

01:14:02.000 You just make a really good assessment based on the carbon-based data But the thing is, you don't know when they cut that.

01:14:10.000 When did they move that?

01:14:12.000 How many thousands of years did it take to set up this civilization? 0.99

01:14:16.000 Where the fuck did it come from? 0.96

01:14:18.000 How did they get these stones that were many tons from a quarry that was 500 miles away? 1.00

01:14:27.000 How did they do that?

01:14:29.000 I think that's the story of some of the stones in the King's Chamber.

01:14:33.000 See if this is correct.

01:14:35.000 I think they figured out that some of the stones in the King's Chamber were from 500 miles away.

01:14:40.000 The King's Chamber is the one that looks like a factory or something?

01:14:44.000 It's weird.

01:14:45.000 What is the chamber?

01:14:48.000 The King's Chamber, I don't know why they call it the King's Chamber.

01:14:52.000 I think it might have to do with just the size of the stones and the magnificence of it. 0.99

01:14:57.000 Yeah, whatever the fuck that was. 0.97

01:14:59.000 I don't know why. 0.99

01:15:00.000 Why do they call it the King's Chamber?

01:15:04.000 So anyway, see if you find the King's Chamber, the stones for the King's Chamber were cut from a quarry 500 miles away.

01:15:12.000 Google that.

01:15:12.000 See if that's correct.

01:15:15.000 Because I think that was one of the big mysteries. 0.96

01:15:18.000 Like, how the fuck are they moving this stuff?

01:15:20.000 It's not even that it was like right next to it and they slowly rolled into the place. 0.94

01:15:23.000 They took it from 500 miles away.

01:15:39.000 I guess it probably says pull that off.

01:15:41.000 That's just the headline. 0.99

01:15:43.000 How the fuck could they do it? 0.98

01:15:45.000 There's a new article on construction. 0.98

01:15:47.000 That's from 2017. That's super new.

01:15:49.000 But all of it is just guessing.

01:15:51.000 The bottom line is, there's so many stones.

01:15:55.000 I think the numbers, I had a bid on it.

01:15:57.000 If you cut in place 10 stones a day, it's 664 years for one pyramid. 0.58

01:16:03.000 So they think they pulled them on ropes and pulleys and shit, but dude, they're cut so perfectly, you can't get a razor blade in between them. 0.95

01:16:10.000 I mean, that's- It's wild!

01:16:11.000 It's what's funny is like we, to try to understand stuff, we obviously, we try to use a precedent, like our own technology.

01:16:19.000 So we use the height of our technology and then try to think about how they did it.

01:16:24.000 But if we're talking about, I mean- It's possible that we only exist, well, we exist in more than one reality.

01:16:35.000 We're in time-space right now, but there's aspects of us that are outside of time-space.

01:16:41.000 There's aspects of us that we Call our soul or whatever.

01:16:46.000 It's some hyper-dimensional formation that like flowers with each incarnation like when a flower blooms, that's your life and then it dies and another flower blooms.

01:16:56.000 That's your next life and another flower blooms.

01:16:58.000 So if that's what's going on and Yeah.

01:17:21.000 You know, you could just make it, like, bring stones from...

01:17:25.000 Who knows?

01:17:26.000 You know, we think we're so advanced.

01:17:28.000 Like, I'm sure that however cognizant a monkey is, like, when it's, like, using a tool or showing its friends how to use a tool or its kids how to, like, break open a nut or how to use the stick to get the ants out,

01:17:45.000 I'm sure it's, like...

01:17:47.000 We are very advanced.

01:17:49.000 Like this is a very advanced thing it's doing.

01:17:51.000 It probably thinks it's like advanced if it could think that. 0.90

01:17:54.000 Similarly, we think we're so fucking advanced with our internet and all that stuff. 0.51

01:17:58.000 It just might be that like we're the same way. 0.89

01:18:01.000 We're just putting a stick in an ant's nest.

01:18:04.000 What Jamie just pulled up there is what the pyramid originally looked like.

01:18:07.000 That gold capstone.

01:18:08.000 It had a gold capstone.

01:18:09.000 It was covered, I think it was in limestone.

01:18:13.000 Is that what it was covered with?

01:18:14.000 Yeah, this thing I have pulled up says in 1303 AD there's an earthquake that loosened up some of it and I guess that's when they took it all.

01:18:23.000 And then people start stealing it and they use it to build stuff.

01:18:26.000 Of course. 0.99

01:18:27.000 Which is so dumb. 0.99

01:18:28.000 Imagine. 0.99

01:18:29.000 Imagine. 0.92

01:18:30.000 They stole pieces of rock from one of the greatest constructions human beings have ever known to build whatever shitty thing they were gonna make. 0.89

01:18:39.000 Probably a toilet. 0.99

01:18:40.000 There's probably someone shitting in the fucking stones of the pyramid built by the great masters. 1.00

01:18:46.000 100%. 1.00

01:18:47.000 Go up to the pyramid.

01:18:48.000 Find a stone that you like in your bidet.

01:18:51.000 Yeah.

01:18:52.000 I'm going to build a sauna out of the outside of the pyramid.

01:18:55.000 No one's using the pyramid anymore.

01:18:56.000 Just grab some rocks from there. 1.00

01:18:58.000 It's bullshit. 0.99

01:18:58.000 I want my whole house built with it. 0.99

01:18:59.000 Yeah.

01:19:00.000 Yeah.

01:19:00.000 I mean, the whole thing was stolen.

01:19:01.000 They stole all of it.

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 That's what's so nuts.

01:19:04.000 I mean, to me, that's what's really...

01:19:07.000 I love that stuff because it's like...

01:19:09.000 What did that look like? 0.98

01:19:10.000 It's such a mystery and it's so interesting to get born into a civilization and to have this sense of knowing shit. 0.98

01:19:21.000 That's a big part of being alive right now. 0.99

01:19:23.000 We all think we're so fucking... 0.95

01:19:25.000 We think we know everything. 0.76

01:19:27.000 Because you can Google it and you just think, even if you don't know it, you think the answer is out there somewhere.

01:19:32.000 Sure.

01:19:33.000 And then you live in this crazy world where you think everything's been figured out.

01:19:38.000 It's all been...

01:19:38.000 We're at the cutting edge.

01:19:40.000 We're at the cutting edge of...

01:19:41.000 Like, even though...

01:19:43.000 Throughout history, doctors have, in a lot of ways, been consistently wrong.

01:19:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:50.000 Like the whole bleeding and leeching and then before that, whatever the weird medieval-like ways people would treat disease, you know, like crazy, like take a rag, horse piss and wrap it around their head and then like put them above a fire for three days.

01:20:06.000 It'll cure their pox and everyone believes it.

01:20:09.000 They're like, oh yeah, that'll work.

01:20:11.000 But now we're all like, no, no, no.

01:20:13.000 Now we've figured out medical technology for sure.

01:20:17.000 Like, we 100% know everything about the way the human body works, which is why when you go into a doctor, you know, depending on who the doctor is, you mention some other possible therapy, they'll laugh you out of the room. 0.99

01:20:29.000 They're like, get the fuck out of here, that's quackery! 0.88

01:20:32.000 And sometimes they're right, but sometimes they're probably wrong. 0.98

01:20:35.000 I mean, my point is, it's just funny, because you have to live in a world where you are surrounded by people who think In one way of really leaning into the idea that we've all kind of worked out the thing.

01:20:49.000 We figured out humanity.

01:20:50.000 We figured out the planet.

01:20:51.000 We know what the climate is.

01:20:52.000 We know what medical science is and how the body works.

01:20:56.000 We understand germs, viruses, diseases, and history. 0.97

01:21:00.000 We fucking know how the pyramids were built. 0.98

01:21:03.000 Please stop saying the aliens did it. 0.99

01:21:06.000 It was people taking it from quarries.

01:21:08.000 We figured it out.

01:21:09.000 You don't need to look into that anymore because we figured it out when probably we really haven't figured out much of anything.

01:21:18.000 Probably what's really going on is so astounding that if you actually saw what it was, you might die.

01:21:25.000 You might just blip out of reality or cease to exist.

01:21:28.000 It's so wild, whatever the actual thing is.

01:21:30.000 It's an alternative version of history and the alternative version is that there's actual evidence that the Earth was assaulted by comet impacts around 12,000 years ago.

01:21:42.000 And there's also actual evidence Yeah.

01:22:07.000 Making sure that...

01:22:08.000 How much time was it gonna take to make something with 2,600,000 stones from a quarry 500 miles away? 0.98

01:22:15.000 I have to imagine it's gonna take a long fucking time. 0.53

01:22:18.000 So we know for sure that someone a long fucking time ago had that kind of engineering and genius. 0.93

01:22:30.000 And then we also know that human beings, even in America, Just a couple hundred years ago were living like Stone Age folks. 0.74

01:22:41.000 Right.

01:22:41.000 At the exact same time.

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:43.000 The Comanche were using...

01:22:45.000 They were using bows and arrows and riding horses.

01:22:49.000 You mean when the pyramids were...

01:22:51.000 Thousands of years later.

01:22:52.000 Thousands of years later.

01:22:54.000 Weird.

01:22:55.000 Thousands of years later, humans are hunting buffalo on horseback with sticks Different humans, different parts of the world.

01:23:05.000 Whoa, that's nuts.

01:23:06.000 It's nuts.

01:23:07.000 I think, if you think about how quickly people went from that, like the riding horses and shooting things off a horseback, which was like...

01:23:19.000 You know, obviously the Mongols, that's how they did war. 0.72

01:23:22.000 So that's the 1200s, right?

01:23:25.000 So that's not that long.

01:23:27.000 That's 800 years ago.

01:23:28.000 If you think about the pyramids being 5,000 years ago, from 800 years ago to now, from 800 years ago to horseback, drinking horse milk with blood mixed in, because that's how you're going to stay alive when you're on this long campaign.

01:23:43.000 Crazy.

01:23:43.000 To get in a train and it goes 500 miles an hour to get on a plane you fly to another country.

01:23:49.000 That's only 800 years.

01:23:52.000 Imagine if they had achieved that the way like the Mongols were, but they did it like at 4,000 BC. Right. 0.99

01:23:59.000 6,000 BC. I gotcha.

01:24:01.000 And we have thousands of years of people figuring things out in a different way than we have.

01:24:07.000 Right.

01:24:08.000 They're using stone.

01:24:09.000 Did they have electricity?

01:24:12.000 What kind of knowledge did they have about life?

01:24:16.000 Did they have universities?

01:24:18.000 How did they figure out all the things they know?

01:24:21.000 How did they figure out all this design and construction stuff?

01:24:24.000 How many thousands of years?

01:24:25.000 Imagine if we had an uninterrupted history with no catastrophes and no wars. 0.95

01:24:31.000 An accurate historical representation by the people that lived in time from every fucking year 9,000 years ago. 0.96

01:24:39.000 Right. 0.98

01:24:40.000 You know, 17,000 years ago.

01:24:41.000 When did it start?

01:24:42.000 That would be so cool.

01:24:43.000 You could look at tweets from 17,000 years ago. 0.99

01:24:48.000 God, that would be funny as fuck! 0.99

01:24:51.000 You know what? 0.99

01:24:52.000 It'd make people calm down a little bit, wouldn't it?

01:24:54.000 Like, if you could go back and look at tweets from 700 BC and, like, realize how insignificant you are in that vast scope of time, that would be really good for us, man.

01:25:07.000 I think that's part of the problem, is that those big gaps in what we know about civilization have created this, like, Really terrible, I don't know what you would call it, like some kind of like societal narcissism or some kind of like crazy idea that like,

01:25:25.000 no, no, no, your life, like this life that you're in right now, this 70 year span in the midst of this ocean of time, no, no, no, no.

01:25:34.000 For sure it's the most important life.

01:25:36.000 Definitely.

01:25:37.000 Like, out of the stacks of bones.

01:25:40.000 Like, bones.

01:25:42.000 Definitely, you could make like a bridge of bones that would probably, what, go all the way to Mars?

01:25:47.000 Like, if you took all the people who've lived on the world and had their bones, I bet you could do a bridge of bones.

01:25:52.000 To Mars.

01:25:53.000 An asteroid belt of bones.

01:25:55.000 Yeah, right?

01:25:56.000 Exactly.

01:25:56.000 But your life is definitely super, the most important life.

01:26:00.000 No, for sure.

01:26:01.000 Like, really. 1.00

01:26:02.000 Like, you really need to be all up in everybody's shit. 0.99

01:26:06.000 Because it's so, like, right now, this is it. 0.99

01:26:09.000 The most important.

01:26:10.000 No, this is it.

01:26:11.000 For real.

01:26:11.000 This is it.

01:26:12.000 It produces this Crazy, hyperactive way of living.

01:26:18.000 You know people don't say they're happy anymore?

01:26:21.000 You know what they say instead of happy?

01:26:22.000 I'm excited!

01:26:24.000 You don't even say happy anymore.

01:26:26.000 It's like excited is the means you're happy.

01:26:28.000 I'm excited!

01:26:29.000 But like, being excited?

01:26:32.000 It doesn't feel that good.

01:26:33.000 Like, if you really look at it, it's like kind of getting vaulted by electricity, you know?

01:26:38.000 I like being excited.

01:26:39.000 It's okay, but if you really look at the feeling...

01:26:40.000 I like being happy, too.

01:26:41.000 I prefer happy and peaceful, too.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 Excited!

01:26:46.000 I'm excited to watch Terrifier 2 tonight, you know what I mean?

01:26:49.000 I've got like a little hook in me.

01:26:51.000 Right, but when you went to see Roger Waters, weren't you excited?

01:26:55.000 Yeah, of course.

01:26:56.000 I mean, I'm not saying...

01:26:57.000 That's what I mean.

01:26:57.000 I'm not saying it's bad.

01:26:59.000 I like being excited. 1.00

01:27:01.000 I mean, fuck. 1.00

01:27:01.000 I love being excited. 1.00

01:27:03.000 It's fun.

01:27:03.000 But it shouldn't be like...

01:27:07.000 For me, I don't want that to be the number one thing I'm going for.

01:27:12.000 You know that thing that happens after like...

01:27:15.000 I don't know, day six of a successful vacation.

01:27:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:27:20.000 Like, where you're like, ah!

01:27:21.000 And obviously, like, ah!

01:27:23.000 That's not excited.

01:27:25.000 Like, I wouldn't call that excited.

01:27:26.000 I like that, too.

01:27:28.000 That's a nice thing.

01:27:29.000 That's my favorite.

01:27:30.000 The best.

01:27:31.000 I used to hate vacations because I used to freak out and say, I gotta work.

01:27:35.000 I should be working.

01:27:36.000 I should be working.

01:27:36.000 I'm not working.

01:27:37.000 This is stupid. 0.99

01:27:38.000 I'm getting behind. 1.00

01:27:39.000 So dumb. 1.00

01:27:40.000 So dumb. 1.00

01:27:41.000 You need a break off of stuff. 1.00

01:27:43.000 Even if it's like a little break, like a yoga class, something, you need a break where you're not thinking about the day.

01:27:51.000 Something takes you out of it, where you're not in the day-to-day grind all the time.

01:27:56.000 And you can find things. 0.99

01:27:58.000 You know, for some people, it's a fucking game they play. 0.99

01:28:01.000 Maybe they play tennis with their friend. 1.00

01:28:02.000 They get together every Tuesday. 0.99

01:28:03.000 That fucking Tuesday, look forward to it so much. 1.00

01:28:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:06.000 Maybe they're playing darts or pool or whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

01:28:09.000 You need a break. 0.94

01:28:11.000 That's why those activities exist. 0.98

01:28:13.000 They don't exist because people are like fucking fruitless and lazy and they don't want to be productive. 0.88

01:28:18.000 No, they exist because like people have always found merit in things that allow you to put yourself in a different state of mind. 0.98

01:28:25.000 And whether it's hypnosis or exercise or a fucking game of chess, whatever it is, we value those things. 0.75

01:28:32.000 Sure. 0.98

01:28:32.000 Those are important. 0.98

01:28:33.000 Aren't they the most important? 0.63

01:28:35.000 Well, I don't know the most, but they're super fucking important.

01:28:37.000 And I think we think of them frivolously.

01:28:40.000 The problem was like things like video games because video games can be insidiously addictive because in many ways they're more stimulating than real life.

01:28:48.000 Like you and I have both had like major problems with video games.

01:28:52.000 Oh my god.

01:28:52.000 Major problems.

01:28:53.000 Oh my god.

01:28:54.000 So addicted to World of Warcraft.

01:28:56.000 Unbelievably.

01:28:57.000 Hearthstone got me too.

01:28:58.000 I have managed though to only play video games for like seven hours a day now.

01:29:06.000 I'm just kidding.

01:29:10.000 You got control of it?

01:29:11.000 I've gotten it down to like maybe like an hour and a half maybe.

01:29:16.000 But also lately I've just sort of got like it doesn't interest me as much.

01:29:21.000 This is a weird thing I'm noticing is like Do you ever like, when you break an addiction to video games or whatever, you don't miss the video game or whatever you're addicted to, but you miss the addiction itself?

01:29:36.000 You know what I'm talking to where you're like, I kind of liked being addicted.

01:29:40.000 Being fanatical.

01:29:41.000 Yeah, I like being stuck.

01:29:42.000 It was like kind of cool to be in.

01:29:44.000 Because you know what you have to do.

01:29:46.000 Gotta play.

01:29:47.000 Gotta play.

01:29:47.000 Gotta mandate.

01:29:48.000 Gotta play.

01:29:49.000 You know what you have to do.

01:29:50.000 You're gonna play that day.

01:29:51.000 It gives you security.

01:29:52.000 When I get home, I'm gonna play.

01:29:54.000 Yes.

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 And when that's gone, now what are you gonna do? 0.98

01:29:58.000 And guys who have shit jobs, guys who have jobs they hate but have really good internet connection, Oh, I can't wait to get home. 0.99

01:30:04.000 Can't wait to get home. 1.00

01:30:06.000 Fire up some fucking World of Warcraft. 0.99

01:30:09.000 Fire up some... 1.00

01:30:09.000 What do they play? 1.00

01:30:10.000 What's the big one they play online?

01:30:14.000 There's all these combat ones, right?

01:30:16.000 Yeah, isn't it like...

01:30:17.000 Call of Duty.

01:30:19.000 Is that still big, Jamie?

01:30:21.000 New one just came out. 1.00

01:30:23.000 That kind of shit is so addictive to people because it's so thrilling and you get no consequences when you get killed other than you feel like shit. 1.00

01:30:32.000 Like, fuck, you got me. 1.00

01:30:33.000 They're so realistic, too. 1.00

01:30:35.000 Oh my god, some of them are so good.

01:30:36.000 They look so good.

01:30:38.000 I've been tricked by racing ones.

01:30:40.000 When I see a racing video, obviously they're just like on my phone, but I think, I look at it and I go, oh my god, that looks real.

01:30:46.000 If I saw it on the screen, it'd probably look fake. 0.91

01:30:48.000 But some of them look fucking real. 0.81

01:30:50.000 Oh my god, they're incredible, dude. 0.61

01:30:52.000 Pull up one of the racing video games so you can see it on a big screen.

01:30:56.000 See how good it looks. 0.99

01:30:57.000 Because it looks like real fucking cars. 0.99

01:30:59.000 If you're in that thing, In that state of mind, like constantly. 0.99

01:31:08.000 That's so thrilling.

01:31:09.000 Thrilling.

01:31:10.000 So thrilling.

01:31:11.000 Yeah, I mean people build like simulators.

01:31:14.000 My friend Peter has one.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 He's like a serious driver though.

01:31:18.000 He drive drives.

01:31:18.000 So he's training when he plays the game.

01:31:20.000 Yes, he's actually training.

01:31:21.000 Look at this.

01:31:22.000 Oh my god, look at these guys on motorcycles! 1.00

01:31:25.000 These guys are riding motorcycles in the fucking rain and they're racing. 1.00

01:31:28.000 This is so insane. 1.00

01:31:31.000 Oh my god, this is so fucking insane. 1.00

01:31:35.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

01:31:36.000 Oh, Jesus! 1.00

01:31:36.000 And they're wiped out. 1.00

01:31:37.000 Oh my god, that guy made it!

01:31:40.000 What game is this?

01:31:42.000 MotoGP.

01:31:43.000 This seems so real, dude.

01:31:45.000 The water on the windshield.

01:31:48.000 I'm getting this game as soon as I get home.

01:31:50.000 This seems so real!

01:31:52.000 Obviously, I don't know shit about racing motorcycles, but the way it looks, it looks like this is actually happening. 0.93

01:31:59.000 It's real, man. 0.90

01:32:00.000 I race a lot.

01:32:01.000 It's definitely exactly what it's like.

01:32:03.000 Do they race in the rain like this?

01:32:05.000 I don't know.

01:32:06.000 They must.

01:32:07.000 That's crazy, dude. 0.99

01:32:10.000 I mean, isn't it crazy enough to already be racing a motorcycle, but the dude in the fucking rain? 1.00

01:32:15.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:32:19.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:32:21.000 Do you know how fucking thrilling that must be, though? 0.99

01:32:25.000 They bump into each other and shit? 1.00

01:32:26.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:32:28.000 That game's too realistic. 1.00

01:32:29.000 That game's too realistic, dude.

01:32:32.000 What game is this?

01:32:33.000 So this is on the drive.

01:32:35.000 Okay, well that's slightly less realistic for some reason.

01:32:39.000 Yeah, I think the reflections help there. 0.81

01:32:42.000 Yeah, I think also the water dropping onto the screen, that fucking really brings you into it.

01:32:48.000 Like, oh my god, this is really happening. 0.94

01:32:49.000 We're getting wet.

01:32:51.000 Man, it's crazy where it's going, Joe.

01:32:54.000 It's just nuts.

01:32:55.000 Do they really race in the rain like that?

01:32:57.000 I'm gonna check.

01:32:58.000 Race, motorcycle, rain.

01:33:02.000 That seems so insane that they would do that.

01:33:04.000 Oh my god, they do!

01:33:06.000 They do!

01:33:07.000 Oh my god, this is insane.

01:33:11.000 It's so wet.

01:33:14.000 That's gnarly.

01:33:15.000 Put your foot down!

01:33:17.000 Because he's trying to balance.

01:33:19.000 Dude, this is so crazy. 0.99

01:33:22.000 Oh my god, they're bumping into each other and shit. 1.00

01:33:24.000 You're allowed to bump? 0.99

01:33:26.000 I don't know, man.

01:33:28.000 Maybe not allowed, but if it happens, it happens.

01:33:30.000 Yeah, you kind of just say, whoops, sorry.

01:33:32.000 Sorry, bro.

01:33:33.000 It's tough when you get warnings and stuff.

01:33:35.000 This is less realistic.

01:33:37.000 Oh my god, he wiped.

01:33:38.000 He like fist pumped while he's wiping.

01:33:41.000 Because he's saying he's okay.

01:33:43.000 Oh my god, he's going to get back on it.

01:33:45.000 So now in fourth place, Garnier He's okay.

01:33:50.000 Jesus, how good are these motorcycles? 0.99

01:33:51.000 You can fucking wipe out in them? 1.00

01:33:53.000 Oh shit, look at that. 1.00

01:33:55.000 Oh! 1.00

01:33:56.000 Oh my god.

01:33:58.000 And you just slide.

01:33:59.000 That's probably fun.

01:34:00.000 I don't know.

01:34:01.000 Well, that dude fell like a champion.

01:34:05.000 I would have fallen head, foot, head, foot, head, foot. 0.99

01:34:10.000 Broken ankle, broken arms, fucked up neck. 1.00

01:34:13.000 This is where I kick her out of the idea That upon death, it may just be that, man. 1.00

01:34:21.000 It might just be that. 1.00

01:34:22.000 Like, the whole fucking thing. 0.99

01:34:23.000 People watch us like we watch, like, video games. 1.00

01:34:28.000 They're like, look!

01:34:28.000 Look at the way he died!

01:34:30.000 Can you fucking believe it? 1.00

01:34:31.000 Did you see how he went? 0.99

01:34:33.000 He fell out of a building, splattered all over the ground.

01:34:36.000 That was nuts!

01:34:37.000 Look!

01:34:37.000 He's getting back up!

01:34:38.000 Going back in the game!

01:34:40.000 It's like...

01:34:41.000 I think that could really be what's going on, man. 0.99

01:34:45.000 This shit just keeps getting in this, whatever this little bubble we're in, it always gets more advanced, it always gets more hypnotic, it always gets more spectacular. 1.00

01:34:55.000 We die, we take a break, then we pop back in. 1.00

01:34:58.000 What game is that?

01:35:00.000 They're showing off the new video card.

01:35:02.000 I was trying to show you something like this.

01:35:05.000 Oh my god, this is incredible.

01:35:06.000 Yeah, the lighting is what makes it look real.

01:35:08.000 These are great games.

01:35:10.000 This might not even be a game.

01:35:11.000 This is really probably just a demo.

01:35:12.000 So these are like little tiny toy cars that you're racing?

01:35:16.000 It's showing off this 4000 series video card which is about to come out very soon.

01:35:22.000 Who's making that?

01:35:23.000 NVIDIA does.

01:35:23.000 They always make the best ones, right?

01:35:25.000 Look at that.

01:35:26.000 The 4090 is what it's called, but then the RTX is the ray tracing, which makes stuff look insane.

01:35:35.000 Dude, have you seen...

01:35:37.000 Joe, have you seen...

01:35:37.000 This is amazing.

01:35:39.000 Look at the video.

01:35:40.000 Have you seen the virtual... 0.98

01:35:44.000 Okay, so I know you've seen, because I've probably sent you too many clips of weird AI shit, like AI animation. 0.97

01:35:50.000 Okay. 0.98

01:35:50.000 Have you seen the AI animation that is in VR? So it's the same shit I'm sending you, except the VR itself is being generated. 0.98

01:36:01.000 Can I show you one of these? 0.99

01:36:02.000 Yes.

01:36:03.000 Jamie, would you mind going on, I think it's DeForum on Twitter, and then scroll down, and somewhere he's posted, really, like, at the very top of his tweets, it says, like, AI virtual reality.

01:36:17.000 Spout the name of his account?

01:36:18.000 DeForum, D-E, DeForum.

01:36:21.000 Like forum, but with D-E in front of it.

01:36:23.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:36:24.000 D-E-F-O-R-U-M, I think. 1.00

01:36:26.000 DeForum.

01:36:26.000 I've got a stable diffusion VR real-time immersive latent space thing.

01:36:30.000 Yeah, check this shit out. 0.93

01:36:31.000 So it's in VR, the AI is generating the space in VR. So it's really fucking trippy looking. 0.99

01:36:48.000 I'm not... 0.97

01:36:49.000 Oh yeah, that's it.

01:36:53.000 Oh my god.

01:36:54.000 Yeah, dude.

01:36:55.000 It's just like building it inside the virtual reality.

01:36:58.000 So it's building these structures in VR and they're changing and morphing as you're walking around this VR room.

01:37:05.000 Exactly. 0.64

01:37:05.000 Like you're tripping balls. 0.64

01:37:06.000 Probably with prompts. 0.97

01:37:07.000 It's like, you know, just shifting and changing.

01:37:09.000 The AI is just generating new environments instantaneously, growing them.

01:37:16.000 That's that moment where it's probably, it's like in the beginning process of generating a new environment.

01:37:21.000 And then it's like, and that's going to get faster and faster.

01:37:24.000 So it's like happens instantaneously.

01:37:27.000 Isn't that wild?

01:37:28.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:31.000 Do you know what kind of crazy horror games they're gonna be able to make with these things?

01:37:35.000 Well, dude, it's...

01:37:37.000 I can't even imagine.

01:37:39.000 Like, it's...

01:37:40.000 Do you know how immersive that's gonna be? 0.95

01:37:42.000 And how fucking addictive that's gonna be? 0.97

01:37:44.000 Yeah, man. 0.96

01:37:45.000 I mean, and also that you're going to be wearing augmented reality goggles or glasses that are doing the same thing to your environment in real time.

01:37:52.000 So, like, you're, you know, this stable diffusion ship, man, you can give it a, like, an MP4, just a video clip, and it'll take every frame and then...

01:38:04.000 Generate like a new image based on the image.

01:38:07.000 It's not deep faking.

01:38:09.000 You could like, you know, I took a video of Johnny Pemberton and like, it's like Johnny Pemberton rapping in studio, shirtless, gold chains.

01:38:19.000 And you know, he's wearing a shirt, but it took that video and over each clip, no shirt, gold chains, made a music studio around him that kind of undulates in and out.

01:38:31.000 So it's like, This, to me, man, this is gonna change everything.

01:38:40.000 It's like, once it's wearable, and you can just decide, you know, today, can you put me in a primordial forest?

01:38:48.000 So, like, wherever I go, everything's just, like, trees and dinosaurs and stuff.

01:38:54.000 And that's the reality that you see.

01:38:55.000 That's what you're gonna see. 0.99

01:38:56.000 It's gonna take, in real time, all the shit around you, and then put over it whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

01:39:04.000 You're going to be able to wear it on your face. 0.99

01:39:06.000 And that's when...

01:39:07.000 That's the apocalypse.

01:39:10.000 I mean, that's like where we're all living in different realities. 0.99

01:39:12.000 You'll be hanging out anywhere in a mall and everyone in the mall is going to be experiencing a different version of the fucking mall. 0.97

01:39:19.000 Some people are going to be in a castle. 0.98

01:39:21.000 Some people are going to be walking through a pyramid or, you know, in some kind of like space station.

01:39:27.000 That's where we're headed.

01:39:29.000 I mean, that's proof of it, man.

01:39:30.000 I mean, that's...

01:39:31.000 Right now, that seems slow in the sense you have to watch it fill itself in.

01:39:36.000 That would probably be a selling point of some malls, that our escalators are designed to enhance your AR experience.

01:39:42.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:39:43.000 So we have fully compatible AR escalator, so your escalator becomes a moat.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, man.

01:39:50.000 You have to walk across a drawbridge.

01:39:52.000 Think of cults in the age of AR, where the cult leader gives you special, these are like our special prototypes.

01:40:00.000 You wear these and you will see the world as father sees it.

01:40:04.000 So you put them on, you know what I mean?

01:40:06.000 You put them on and you're seeing like a world that is created by the cult leader. 0.97

01:40:12.000 Or imagine, dude, fucking like a tyrannical government that like forces the citizens to wear the goggles that project. 0.98

01:40:21.000 It's they live. 0.99

01:40:22.000 It's they live in reverse, I guess.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, it's they live.

01:40:25.000 Except they force you to wear the goggles.

01:40:27.000 So if you're not wearing, or like...

01:40:30.000 You wear goggles that are the color of whatever, like, political party you align with.

01:40:35.000 So, like, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:40:36.000 You see somebody wearing blue goggles, and you're like, oh, fuck! 1.00

01:40:40.000 That poor idiot. 1.00

01:40:40.000 Yeah, right, look, you know that stupid world they're seeing? 1.00

01:40:44.000 Do you know how much plastic actually gets recycled? 1.00

01:40:48.000 Yeah, their goggles show carbon emissions.

01:40:50.000 They show the names of homeless people, so they make them human.

01:40:55.000 Whereas some other goggles, they just turn homeless people into beautiful floral displays or something.

01:41:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:05.000 Like, it's gonna be like that.

01:41:08.000 It's gonna be like that.

01:41:09.000 You know, you want to be surrounded?

01:41:11.000 You want everyone that you're around to be like the most beautiful naked woman? 1.00

01:41:16.000 Then that's what it's gonna be.

01:41:18.000 It's like you want that, that's what you're gonna get.

01:41:20.000 The people running these simulations and these AR, are they gonna be entranced with it too?

01:41:27.000 The people that are creating these, or are we just gonna give it up to AI? Like, are we going to give up to power to AI? Or are people going to be curating these experiences for people?

01:41:38.000 Curate?

01:41:38.000 I mean, it's going to— Will it come to a point in time where they can't do that anymore?

01:41:42.000 I think it'll be like, you know, like, when I've been doing this text-to-art shit, you actually—it takes time to figure out the right prompts to get it to make the thing you want it to make.

01:41:52.000 Like Mid-Journey, which is this incredible text-to-art AI. Part of the fun is you sit there trying to think of what is it that we want this thing to make.

01:42:07.000 And it's fun.

01:42:08.000 You can kind of do it.

01:42:09.000 One night I was like... 0.98

01:42:11.000 With, like, Justin Roiland, a bunch of these other artists, we were all trying to do different versions of, like, Bill Cosby eating beautiful sausages and, like, just trying to type in different versions of it on mid-journey to, like, make it, like, to dial in whatever the fuck. 0.99

01:42:27.000 Bill Cosby on a rollercoaster made of human baby meat. 0.99

01:42:31.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:42:32.000 You know, shit like that just to see what you can make, but you really do have to figure out the prompts. 0.99

01:42:36.000 So I think initially it's definitely going to be curated by people who know how to generate the prompts and make it make whatever the fuck it is. 0.98

01:42:44.000 But gradually it's going to get better and better at understanding what it is you're wanting.

01:42:50.000 And then at that point it'll probably be Like, you know, you'll be more in control of what you're seeing on your screen at first, and then in VR, and then in AR, I would say.

01:42:59.000 And then, who knows?

01:43:00.000 Who knows, man?

01:43:01.000 I mean, I'm sure there's, like, gonna be popular, like, in the way there's popular Instagram videos, right?

01:43:06.000 Right.

01:43:06.000 There's gonna be popular worlds.

01:43:08.000 Where you upload your world experience to some new version of Instagram or TikTok or whatever. 0.98

01:43:15.000 It's like, oh yeah, I'm going to put on that dude's fucking world experience. 0.97

01:43:19.000 It's awesome. 0.98

01:43:21.000 Probably it'll be more like that.

01:43:23.000 Curated VR or AR world experiences.

01:43:27.000 There'll be people who are really good at making them.

01:43:30.000 And then there's going to be people who become like the Steven Spielberg of...

01:43:37.000 Augmented reality like reality replacement.

01:43:40.000 But wouldn't the curated shit become like the NBC, CBS, ABC version and then there's gonna be a blockchain version of AI where everybody agrees to have no centralized power and it just all gets created and curated and adjusted by the people that work inside the system. 0.67

01:43:59.000 That's the forum. 0.96

01:44:00.000 That's stability.

01:44:01.000 Dude, when I was...

01:44:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:44:03.000 Like that would like eliminate cults.

01:44:05.000 That's Stability AI, dude. 1.00

01:44:07.000 That's the people making this shit. 0.99

01:44:09.000 I couldn't find who made it. 1.00

01:44:12.000 I had to dig deep just to find who was making this technology available.

01:44:17.000 I couldn't find it because they're making it open source and their whole thing is what you're talking about.

01:44:22.000 It's all collaborative.

01:44:24.000 AI by the people for the people?

01:44:26.000 Yeah, dude, yeah. 0.97

01:44:27.000 And it was hard to find, like, this technology is the most mind-blowing shit out there, and it was hard to find who's behind it. 0.85

01:44:34.000 That might be, this concept behind this and the idea behind that, that might be the cure. 0.96

01:44:41.000 If this is the way that humanity interacts and exchange information from here on out, imagine if that becomes the norm.

01:44:48.000 That could be the norm.

01:44:50.000 And if that's the norm, that might be our way out of this.

01:44:52.000 If there's a way where you can get out of centralized power and the way is that it's almost impossible to avoid, just like it's impossible to not have a cell phone now.

01:45:02.000 You know, it's impossible.

01:45:03.000 I mean, you can do it.

01:45:04.000 People have done it.

01:45:05.000 Some people wear flip phones.

01:45:06.000 You can be a renegade, but most people don't.

01:45:10.000 What if it becomes like that with this?

01:45:12.000 And what if it becomes like that with decentralized AI? And if we all agree that this is the best way, and there's no manipulation, there's no coercion for you to opt in to a corporate controlled AI. You're like, why would I do that?

01:45:26.000 I don't want to do that.

01:45:28.000 Why would I only watch the Big Bang Theory when I want to watch Game of Thrones?

01:45:33.000 Right.

01:45:33.000 I'll watch Game of Thrones.

01:45:34.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:45:34.000 And it's going to be like that with the way you interact with reality. 1.00

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 People are going to gravitate towards these ones that aren't controlled.

01:45:41.000 There'll be a bunch of fake ones that are controlled by Russia.

01:45:44.000 Right.

01:45:44.000 And people get sucked into these ones and those ones be manipulative.

01:45:48.000 But I think ultimately...

01:45:50.000 Just like what the internet is doing for the exchange of information.

01:45:54.000 It's kind of like putting it in the hands of people that really never would have gotten into that position if they were involved in the corporate system.

01:46:00.000 Maybe it'll be like that with AI as well.

01:46:03.000 I mean, the stuff is most certainly being like, at least, you know, that stuff is open source.

01:46:09.000 When you are working with it, it's like, man, I'm telling you, it's like going into a wizard's library or something.

01:46:18.000 You're having to like, Pull out these weird tomes called collabs, these weird things on GitHub. 0.97

01:46:24.000 Like shit, I don't know. 0.99

01:46:25.000 It's so fucking arcane. 1.00

01:46:27.000 And like, you know, like going on YouTube channels like Prophet of the Singularity to like the name of the YouTube channels, Prophet of the Singularity, to get tutorials on how to make this shit work. 0.99

01:46:39.000 And it's all just people sharing information. 0.88

01:46:41.000 That's what I love about it.

01:46:43.000 Just people like, okay, I figured out how to do this, and then I figured out how to do that.

01:46:47.000 All going on in the background, just like what you were saying earlier. 0.95

01:46:50.000 While we're all at each other's fucking throats, the midterm elections are coming, and the fate of democracy lies in your vote. 0.98

01:46:58.000 In the background, these, I don't know who they are, wizard, transhumanist, AI people are just tapping code. 0.99

01:47:10.000 Okay, we're gonna make that a smarter.

01:47:11.000 We're gonna make it a little smarter.

01:47:12.000 I think he made it smarter here.

01:47:14.000 Let's make it smarter there. 0.99

01:47:15.000 Can we make it understand language better?

01:47:17.000 Yeah, we can.

01:47:17.000 Let's see if we can make it translate really bad audio into perfectly clear speech.

01:47:21.000 Okay, we can do that.

01:47:22.000 Let's just keep doing it.

01:47:23.000 All that's going on in the background.

01:47:25.000 And where it gets interesting is like they're sharing their information.

01:47:28.000 Here you go.

01:47:29.000 We figured it out.

01:47:29.000 Here you go.

01:47:30.000 And then some other wizard gets it and they're like, okay, I can make that better.

01:47:33.000 And then it gets a little better and a little better.

01:47:34.000 And then the AI starts making it better on its own.

01:47:37.000 It's like, all right, maybe I'll analyze this, the things my master's created.

01:47:40.000 And then let's see if I can make myself better.

01:47:43.000 That's that's how you get to McKenna's Singularity.

01:47:46.000 It's open-source collaboration between these geniuses and they don't honestly I don't think they give a fuck who it is working on it like anybody can like participate It's really cool man.

01:47:58.000 It's really badass.

01:48:00.000 I feel so excited to have stumbled upon it because That's amazing.

01:48:03.000 It's amazing that I thought that that may be the future, and then it's a real thing that's happening right now.

01:48:08.000 You tuned in to it, which is why I was like, it's Stability Eye, because I just discovered that.

01:48:13.000 It's like real punk rock, man.

01:48:15.000 It's real.

01:48:15.000 Yeah, well, I think that's what we need, right?

01:48:18.000 You want some coffee?

01:48:18.000 I love some.

01:48:19.000 Pull it.

01:48:20.000 No, you got a mug right in front of you.

01:48:22.000 It's so hard to see in here with a candle.

01:48:24.000 Already blind as a bat.

01:48:25.000 Those candles are going down.

01:48:27.000 Me too, dude.

01:48:27.000 What's that?

01:48:27.000 The candles are getting a little dark.

01:48:29.000 Yeah.

01:48:29.000 Thanks Jamie.

01:48:30.000 Thanks for humoring us old men.

01:48:33.000 Yeah, but we are going blind.

01:48:35.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

01:48:36.000 I've managed to put a halt to most of it with supplements.

01:48:40.000 I don't know.

01:48:41.000 I wonder if sauna use has a factor and the cold plunge has a factor.

01:48:45.000 But diet has a factor.

01:48:47.000 Paul Saladino sent me some data on seed oils.

01:48:52.000 They're connecting seed oils and consumption of seed oils, which is in fucking everything, to macular degeneration, to some people's vision issues.

01:49:00.000 Seed oils? 0.94

01:49:01.000 Was that what it was?

01:49:02.000 Make sure that that's correct.

01:49:04.000 Seed oils?

01:49:05.000 Yeah, seed oils.

01:49:06.000 What seeds?

01:49:07.000 Like grape seed oil, industrial seed oils that were originally industrial lubricants.

01:49:12.000 So, macular degeneration.

01:49:15.000 Vegetable oils, trans fats, including soybean, canola, corn, and cottonseed oil, as well as hydrogenated and partially...

01:49:21.000 Oh, click on that, because we brought this up before.

01:49:24.000 Do you have macular degeneration?

01:49:26.000 Yeah.

01:49:27.000 It's old people's eyes don't work that good. 1.00

01:49:28.000 That's when it gets darker.

01:49:29.000 Like when you're driving, it seems really dark.

01:49:32.000 So this is what it says here in this article on...

01:49:37.000 What is it?

01:49:41.000 Nutritional weight and wellness and it's bringing up nutrition episode board-certified epithemologist Featured fascinating discussions on the important nutrition connections to age-related macular degeneration That's what we have You may be surprised to learn that AMD is a leading cause of irreversible vision loss and blindness in the developed world and In AMD,

01:50:08.000 inflammation and reduced blood oxygen flow causes damage to the photoreceptors, rods, and cones, and the blood vessels of the macula of the retina.

01:50:16.000 Jesus.

01:50:17.000 Symptoms of AMD include blurred vision.

01:50:20.000 Got it.

01:50:21.000 Blind spots.

01:50:21.000 I don't have that yet.

01:50:22.000 Difficulty seeing in dim light.

01:50:24.000 Yep.

01:50:24.000 I got that.

01:50:25.000 And difficulty switching to night vision, all which will only get worse over time.

01:50:29.000 Great.

01:50:29.000 The retina of the eye.

01:50:31.000 Okay, here it is.

01:50:32.000 Okay.

01:50:33.000 We're good to go.

01:50:52.000 To add insult to injury, these types of fats also make their way into most man-made and high-sugar foods such as cakes, pastries, fried foods, salad dressings, dips, margarines, coffee creamers, cooking oils, and more.

01:51:03.000 That's literally on my rider.

01:51:05.000 That makes these foods a double whammy of inflammation for our eyes.

01:51:08.000 Yeah, well, this is Lugavere, right?

01:51:12.000 I'm saying it right.

01:51:13.000 Max Lugavere and I talked about that on the podcast recently where he's discussing the nutritional benefits of olive oil, how good olive oil is for you.

01:51:20.000 It's like a superfood.

01:51:21.000 It's the opposite of what these things are.

01:51:23.000 These things are bad for you.

01:51:25.000 They cause inflammation.

01:51:26.000 Olive oil is actually good for you. 1.00

01:51:27.000 Dude, can you believe that shit? 1.00

01:51:30.000 All those things they just listed are poison, killing you, and no one really understands that. 1.00

01:51:38.000 It's making you go blind.

01:51:40.000 Well, they didn't know when they first started selling them.

01:51:42.000 So the problem is they're already selling them.

01:51:44.000 They used to think that saturated fat, like butter, was the culprit.

01:51:49.000 You know the study about the sugar study where they paid scientists off to say that sugar was causing all these heart issues.

01:51:58.000 When they did that, they created a narrative that everybody sort of bought into.

01:52:03.000 And that narrative is you want to get away from saturated fat, so what's the substitute?

01:52:08.000 Oh, well you get these vegetable oils.

01:52:09.000 Perfect.

01:52:10.000 Vegetables are good for you.

01:52:11.000 Right.

01:52:12.000 Vegetables are good for you, right?

01:52:13.000 Yeah.

01:52:13.000 So if you want vegetable oil, it must be better for you.

01:52:15.000 Makes sense.

01:52:15.000 Right.

01:52:15.000 But then you find out about the processing involved and the oxidation that they're damaged and that it causes inflammation.

01:52:23.000 Dude, I feel like shit when I have a salad and it's got some shitty salad dressing on it. 0.98

01:52:27.000 It's always like, ugh, my stomach feels gross. 0.99

01:52:29.000 Yeah, right. 0.97

01:52:30.000 But when I have a salad with olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette, it's fucking great. 0.88

01:52:34.000 I love it. 0.99

01:52:35.000 I used to think that I didn't like eating salads, that it made me feel gross, and I realized, no, it's the fucking dressing. 1.00

01:52:42.000 Because I'm a dope, and if I had a nice Italian dressing, a zesty, I'll pour that shit all over. 1.00

01:52:47.000 It's like you're pouring all these weird fucking oils all over your food. 1.00

01:52:51.000 Ugh, dude, that's so fucked up, man. 1.00

01:52:54.000 We all do it, though. 1.00

01:52:55.000 Oh my god, Annie's goddess dressing, I will fucking dump it. 0.99

01:52:59.000 I'll turn my salad into a soup. 0.99

01:53:02.000 But you're being a good boy.

01:53:03.000 It's good.

01:53:04.000 I'm eating my veggies.

01:53:06.000 Super healthy.

01:53:07.000 But meanwhile, it's not.

01:53:08.000 And then you get all puffed.

01:53:10.000 But if you do it with olive oil, it is healthy.

01:53:12.000 That's the rub.

01:53:14.000 And I think a lot of what these people are connecting, a lot of these people are talking about damages that vegetables do to you.

01:53:20.000 Maybe.

01:53:21.000 Maybe it's what you're putting on them, too.

01:53:23.000 It could be that.

01:53:24.000 I mean, how many people are cooking their vegetables in these kind of oils?

01:53:28.000 A lot of people, man.

01:53:30.000 Vegetable oil.

01:53:31.000 Lard.

01:53:32.000 No, lard is different.

01:53:33.000 Lard is okay?

01:53:34.000 Rendered fat. 0.97

01:53:35.000 Yeah, that's what beef tallow is.

01:53:37.000 It's rendered fat.

01:53:38.000 That's good news.

01:53:39.000 Yeah.

01:53:40.000 Rendered fat is actually good for you, which is crazy, because you would say there's no way. 0.97

01:53:44.000 But actually, that's a fat that tolerates high heats better.

01:53:49.000 When you're cooking in high heats, you want...

01:53:52.000 Lard is good for you.

01:53:53.000 Beef tallow is very good for you.

01:53:55.000 It's just beef fat.

01:53:56.000 But like Crisco?

01:53:57.000 Not good for you.

01:53:58.000 Is that lard?

01:53:59.000 What's in there, though?

01:54:00.000 What's in Crisco?

01:54:01.000 I thought Crisco is lard.

01:54:02.000 Well, if lard means, I think the old-school, old-timey method, that's what I'm using.

01:54:06.000 Not processed lard.

01:54:07.000 I'm using, like, rendered pig fat.

01:54:10.000 They used to use rendered bear fat.

01:54:12.000 Bear fat was, like, super popular for a long time in this country.

01:54:15.000 Bears were very valued for their fat, believe it or not.

01:54:18.000 I believe it.

01:54:19.000 And then there's beef tallow.

01:54:20.000 Okay, so this is Crisco.

01:54:22.000 Oh, vegetable oil.

01:54:22.000 Vegetable oil.

01:54:23.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:54:24.000 Originally cottonseed oil. 1.00

01:54:26.000 I don't eat it.

01:54:26.000 I just, for some reason, thought that was lard.

01:54:29.000 It sounds like it's lard, that's why.

01:54:31.000 But see, that's not good for you.

01:54:33.000 Look what it says on it, all vegetable.

01:54:35.000 Yeah.

01:54:36.000 Oh, it must be good for you.

01:54:36.000 All vegetable!

01:54:37.000 It's gotta be good for you.

01:54:38.000 It's like eating broccoli. 0.99

01:54:39.000 So we got duped by these fucking scientists in whatever, what was it, like the 50s or the 60s, whenever they did that? 0.99

01:54:46.000 They pay these guys like 50 grand. 0.99

01:54:48.000 It wasn't even a lot of money. 0.92

01:54:49.000 And they fucked up our entire food pyramid.

01:54:52.000 They screwed up people's ideas of what's healthy and what's not healthy. 0.99

01:54:56.000 And they did it for fucking just being bribed by the sugar industry. 0.99

01:55:00.000 How many other things? 0.99

01:55:02.000 Oh, but that's a nutty one, dude.

01:55:03.000 Because it still persists to this day.

01:55:05.000 When you tell people that you only eat mostly meat.

01:55:08.000 Yeah, 50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists to point the blame to fat.

01:55:12.000 Wow.

01:55:14.000 I mean, it is a bunker story.

01:55:17.000 So there was a rise, I think, in, what was it?

01:55:23.000 Arteriosclerosis?

01:55:24.000 What was the rise in, specifically?

01:55:26.000 There was some sort of a health epidemic.

01:55:30.000 Coronary heart disease?

01:55:31.000 Coronary heart disease.

01:55:31.000 So this coronary heart disease rise started happening.

01:55:34.000 People were getting fatter, and they were having heart attacks.

01:55:37.000 Yeah.

01:55:37.000 And so they were like, we've got to figure it out.

01:55:39.000 A way to not kill this fucking gravy train we're on. 0.99

01:55:43.000 They have these internal documents that were clearly pointing to sugar beet fucking terrible for you. 0.99

01:55:49.000 So they bribed scientists. 0.99

01:55:51.000 I can't believe that.

01:55:52.000 It's amazing.

01:55:53.000 You know, are we just... 1.00

01:55:55.000 You know, idiots. 1.00

01:55:57.000 Are we just naive idiots that we are like astounded that humans could be that fucking evil to warp reality in a way, to poison people for money? 1.00

01:56:10.000 It's happening right now. 1.00

01:56:11.000 It's crazy to me.

01:56:13.000 It's absolutely still happening right now.

01:56:15.000 See, that's where we get hacked, right?

01:56:18.000 Yeah.

01:56:19.000 That's where the hacking happens because we want to feel safe.

01:56:22.000 You want to believe that- You want to believe we got it figured out now.

01:56:26.000 And you want to believe that there aren't people like that.

01:56:30.000 Literal warlocks, like literal evil wizards making bad potions and dispensing them to the people, poisoning them, and then trying to tell them that it's medicine. 0.97

01:56:42.000 Well, we'll go even further than that, what people are capable of.

01:56:46.000 Fentanyl.

01:56:47.000 People are capable of bringing fentanyl into the country for profit.

01:56:51.000 Fentanyl's not bad for you.

01:56:56.000 It's actually a misconception.

01:57:00.000 It's actually very good.

01:57:02.000 Dude, Jimmy Kimmel had a monologue joke.

01:57:04.000 I mean, fentanyl is scary.

01:57:07.000 And I know it's become a right versus left issue, but this speaks to what we were talking about before.

01:57:13.000 Jimmy Kimmel had a monologue where he was talking about right-wing people being scared of fentanyl coming in from the border in the form of candy during Halloween.

01:57:23.000 Oh, you know, this is like that joke that keeps popping up.

01:57:28.000 What is it?

01:57:29.000 Like, nobody's gonna give their fentanyl away.

01:57:32.000 That's the joke, right?

01:57:33.000 There's like a million versions of it out there.

01:57:35.000 Like, who's gonna give their drugs away?

01:57:37.000 We broke this down with Dr. Phil.

01:57:39.000 The problem is not that they're bringing candy in and dosing it with fentanyl.

01:57:45.000 The problem is the fentanyl that they're making could be misconstrued as candy by kids.

01:57:51.000 Some of it is like these little brightly colored pills.

01:57:55.000 And if you're a kid and you're four and you see that, that looks like candy.

01:58:02.000 You're just going to take it and put it in your mouth.

01:58:03.000 Kids put everything in their mouth.

01:58:04.000 You know that.

01:58:05.000 They stuck things up their nose.

01:58:06.000 Yeah, dude.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, that's what they do.

01:58:08.000 So if that's laying around, that's a concern.

01:58:11.000 That's a real concern.

01:58:12.000 Is it a concern that people are going to come across the border and give kids poisoned candy?

01:58:17.000 I don't think that's the concern, but to make light of this idea that the fentanyl issue is not a giant, terrifying issue that's killing somewhere like 100,000 people are dying of this drug every day.

01:58:34.000 Is there some dispute about that it's the number one killer of kids 18 to 45?

01:58:41.000 I mean, dude, it's in all the drugs.

01:58:43.000 You said there was some dispute, right?

01:58:44.000 Yeah, I was looking it up.

01:58:45.000 It was the number one killer, like most people, was cancer and heart disease.

01:58:51.000 The number one killer of all people?

01:58:53.000 Yeah.

01:58:53.000 That includes 18 to 49. Yeah.

01:58:56.000 Correct.

01:58:56.000 So what is...

01:58:57.000 I think that's why I was digging into the article.

01:59:00.000 It was like blaming it on fentanyl was a little tough.

01:59:03.000 Not that it was necessarily inaccurate, but no one's keeping track of fentanyl deaths.

01:59:07.000 They don't even write it on, I think, a death certificate that way.

01:59:11.000 It's just opioid?

01:59:12.000 Yeah.

01:59:12.000 Okay.

01:59:13.000 So let's just say opioid deaths.

01:59:14.000 Let's not even say fentanyl.

01:59:16.000 I think that was what they were saying.

01:59:18.000 I don't necessarily, they were saying it was all fentanyl poisoning, but, you know, fentanyl is just the most potent form of opiate.

01:59:24.000 So what's the number one opioid?

01:59:27.000 Is that the number one killer of people 18 to 49?

01:59:30.000 But what I'm saying is, if it's not fentanyl that's the number one killer, is it opioids that are the number one killer of people 18 to 49?

01:59:36.000 Isn't fentanyl cheaper than heroin?

01:59:38.000 That's the problem.

01:59:39.000 Well, it's way more potent.

01:59:40.000 A tiny, tiny, tiny amount can kill you.

01:59:43.000 If you look at it in relationship to a penny, it's like the tiniest part of a penny.

01:59:49.000 The PolitiFact says heart disease, cancer, and COVID outrank opioid overdoses as leading causes of death among all American adults.

01:59:57.000 Right, but the problem with COVID is if you are dying of opioids and you catch COVID and then you die from COVID, that's a COVID death.

02:00:04.000 You know what's funny, dude? 0.99

02:00:05.000 So many people listen to your fucking podcast, there's probably someone making fentanyl right now listening to this shit like, come on, it's not that bad! 0.99

02:00:13.000 A study by an advocacy group says that fentanyl is the leading cause of death for people ages 18 to 45 compared with other major causes of death such as automobile accidents, cancer, and suicide. 1.00

02:00:26.000 Heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19 outrank opioid overdoses as leading causes of death among all American adults.

02:00:35.000 I wonder, though, and I'm not discrediting the fact that people died from COVID, but we do know that a lot of people who died from COVID were already dying, and they listed them as COVID deaths, including people with cancer.

02:00:46.000 If you're taking opioids and your immune system is fucking destroyed and you're on your way out the door and you catch COVID, you're probably not going to make it.

02:00:55.000 Did COVID kill you or were you already dying? 0.99

02:00:58.000 Yeah, I mean, dude.

02:01:00.000 So what's the actual number then?

02:01:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:01:03.000 Like if you found that number and you tacked it on.

02:01:06.000 Wait, didn't, Jamie, scroll up, didn't it say 100,000 people a year?

02:01:11.000 That was a quote someone had.

02:01:13.000 So right there it said 56,000.

02:01:15.000 See what it said there?

02:01:16.000 It said 2020, more than 56,000 people, but that is two years ago and it has gotten worse.

02:01:23.000 2021, nearly 70 million.

02:01:26.000 70,000.

02:01:29.000 CDC's online mortality database, 2021, nearly 70,000 people, 18 and over, died. 0.98

02:01:36.000 So that is shy of 100, but still fucking crazy. 0.96

02:01:41.000 Dude, that makes Jonestown look like nothing. 0.98

02:01:44.000 That's a large number of people.

02:01:45.000 Think of that, man.

02:01:46.000 Think of that.

02:01:46.000 Like, if we could see, like, all those dead bodies.

02:01:50.000 Like, you know the videos of Jonestown when they're all scattered around?

02:01:52.000 Well, just imagine a Super Bowl.

02:01:55.000 Imagine a Super Bowl audience.

02:01:56.000 It's a stadium filled with dead people.

02:01:58.000 Yeah.

02:01:58.000 In a year.

02:01:59.000 Every year.

02:02:00.000 From overdosing. 1.00

02:02:01.000 Holy fuck, man. 1.00

02:02:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:02:02.000 That is crazy. 1.00

02:02:04.000 That's crazy.

02:02:05.000 That's a way to look at it that really puts it in perspective. 1.00

02:02:07.000 Goddamn, that shit must feel good. 1.00

02:02:09.000 I've never done it, man. 1.00

02:02:10.000 It must just be like...

02:02:11.000 It must be an incredible...

02:02:14.000 Well, I think it's just...

02:02:15.000 It's probably amazing, but there's also the problem that they give it to you when you get hurt. 0.97

02:02:22.000 It's so it's hard to get off of I know a bunch of people that have gotten injured and then they got on Something and then whatever that painkiller was they had a really hard time getting off dude I flirted with that shit for a second and then something changed in my brain I used to like it.

02:02:36.000 I used to like taking like a Vicodin and Like I like the buzz but then it's the weirdest thing man.

02:02:42.000 Just one day It'd been a long time since I'd taken any of them.

02:02:45.000 I took it and And I just got really sick.

02:02:48.000 It made me feel woozy.

02:02:50.000 I didn't like the high at all.

02:02:51.000 I just got lucky.

02:02:52.000 But some people, yeah man, they take it and they're like, I've come home.

02:02:58.000 This is home.

02:02:59.000 This is where I want to be.

02:03:03.000 It's like warming your hands on a chemical fire.

02:03:07.000 Remember the old NyQuil? 0.99

02:03:09.000 The one that really got you fucked up? 0.98

02:03:11.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:03:11.000 I remember I took that old NyQuil in the 90s and I was sick one day and I took it and I was sitting in my bed watching TV and I couldn't have felt more loved. 0.98

02:03:21.000 Yeah.

02:03:21.000 I was like, the whole world is just full of love.

02:03:25.000 Yeah.

02:03:25.000 It's love, love, love.

02:03:26.000 I was like, oh, no wonder why people love this stuff.

02:03:29.000 Yeah.

02:03:30.000 Like, I didn't know that it was that.

02:03:31.000 You could buy over the counter.

02:03:34.000 What is it?

02:03:34.000 Was it codeine?

02:03:35.000 Is that what it was?

02:03:36.000 I think it was codeine.

02:03:38.000 Dude, it felt magical.

02:03:39.000 I don't know if it was in NyQuil, though.

02:03:41.000 Codeine was in NyQuil?

02:03:42.000 Whatever it was that I took.

02:03:44.000 It was some nasty stuff that you take a shot of.

02:03:46.000 I thought it was NyQuil.

02:03:47.000 Probably like some cough syrup.

02:03:49.000 Some kind of like cough syrup that had codeine in it.

02:03:51.000 Because I do know that was over the counter.

02:03:52.000 I think it was over the counter.

02:03:53.000 At one point in time, did NyQuil have Cody in it?

02:03:57.000 Or something like that? 0.97

02:03:58.000 I think NyQuil had some shit definitely that would make you kind of trip, but what you're describing sounds like an opioid or something. 0.97

02:04:07.000 It felt like that. 0.99

02:04:08.000 It felt just like pure love.

02:04:10.000 I remember feeling how good it felt to the rest of my head on the pillow.

02:04:16.000 It was wonderful.

02:04:18.000 And I was like, oh my god, this stuff is great. 1.00

02:04:20.000 I was like, keep this shit away from me. 1.00

02:04:22.000 I don't have the kind of self-control to not be drinking NyQuil every night. 1.00

02:04:26.000 Dude, that would be so weird if you were secretly addicted to NyQuil.

02:04:29.000 Well, I know people who have been.

02:04:31.000 I know there was a comic.

02:04:33.000 NyQuil?

02:04:33.000 Yeah, there was a comic that used to make the staff pick him up NyQuil and drop it off in his green room.

02:04:40.000 Ugh! 1.00

02:04:41.000 Did you see the shit? 1.00

02:04:42.000 That's so weird. 1.00

02:04:44.000 It's not weird, man.

02:04:45.000 I'm telling you.

02:04:46.000 If you experience...

02:04:47.000 I don't know.

02:04:47.000 I mean, what year was it?

02:04:49.000 I want to say it was when I got sick that I had the NyQuil.

02:04:52.000 I want to say it was late 90s.

02:04:53.000 Wasn't it a TikTok thing that just happened where their kids were cooking chicken and NyQuil?

02:04:58.000 And they had to say to stop doing that?

02:05:01.000 That's how you get the Island Boys.

02:05:10.000 Parents, be more careful with the kind of food you're cooking your kids.

02:05:14.000 Nobody was...

02:05:15.000 I don't think anyone was eating the chicken in the NyQuil.

02:05:17.000 It was just, I think, some weirdo poured NyQuil in a frying pan and threw chicken in it, and then it set off...

02:05:24.000 A TikTok challenge.

02:05:25.000 And then, of course, someone eventually was like, what happens if we eat the chicken?

02:05:28.000 Tell me that's not China. 0.99

02:05:29.000 Tell me that is not China fucking with America. 0.99

02:05:32.000 That's where you need the Ministry of Truth to stop the NyQuil Chicken crazes. 1.00

02:05:36.000 You hire this dude who's like, you know, the acting world's not really working out that well for him.

02:05:41.000 But we have a job for you in China to do disinformation videos.

02:05:44.000 How to handle risky internet trends like TikTok's NyQuil Chicken Challenge.

02:05:48.000 Oh my god.

02:05:50.000 They really cooked NyQuil, cooked chicken in NyQuil.

02:05:54.000 Yeah, I'm not surprised. 1.00

02:05:56.000 These kids are fucking crazy. 0.99

02:05:59.000 What year did NyQuil have something psychoactive in it, and did it change? 0.99

02:06:03.000 It used to have up to 25% alcohol, at least, and it looks like in 1991, around the time, is maybe when it changed.

02:06:12.000 What did it change it to?

02:06:13.000 It's just booze. 0.99

02:06:15.000 Because knowing my dumb ass, I might have had a jug sitting around from 91. That's a very long article about it. 0.99

02:06:21.000 A long article about it?

02:06:22.000 It's like the whole timeline of like every year of NyQuil and how popular it was and all the ads about it and I think it's changed multiple times.

02:06:31.000 I didn't say there was codeine in it specifically, but... 1.00

02:06:34.000 NyQuil tastes like shit, man. 1.00

02:06:36.000 I don't understand. 1.00

02:06:38.000 Truly, like, it's so gross.

02:06:40.000 But I'm telling you, dude, this was this one time when I was sick.

02:06:42.000 I didn't experience this ever again.

02:06:44.000 And there was one other time where I was on morphine when I got my knee reconstructed.

02:06:48.000 They had a morphine drip on me.

02:06:53.000 I'm pretty positive.

02:06:55.000 They told me that when I pressed the button, you would get more morphine.

02:06:58.000 Because it's like connected to this thing.

02:07:00.000 Wow.

02:07:00.000 And that if you felt bad, you could press the button and get more morphine.

02:07:03.000 So I was hammering that fucking thing. 0.99

02:07:04.000 But someone told me it's regulated. 0.99

02:07:08.000 Oh, like they just give you the impression you're in control of it, but you're not really.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, but I'm like, in 93?

02:07:14.000 In 1993?

02:07:15.000 They're not going to let you dial in your own morphine, because the more morphine you get, the higher you get, and then you forget.

02:07:20.000 You're like, when did I press the button last?

02:07:22.000 It's probably been 20 minutes.

02:07:24.000 It's been a couple of seconds.

02:07:25.000 That's how you OD. That's how people OD, is they get high, and they forget they took the pill, and then they go back and take the pill.

02:07:32.000 Right, but what if it only gives you like one milligram of a hammer?

02:07:35.000 Yeah, stroboscopic hands. 0.72

02:07:37.000 Wait, it's like 300 milligrams will kill you.

02:07:40.000 Yeah, 300 easy clicks to paradise.

02:07:44.000 Do you know what Peter Rattia told me about Tylenol?

02:07:46.000 He said, if you take 20 times the recommended dose, it'll kill you.

02:07:50.000 That's how dangerous Tylenol is.

02:07:53.000 Is acetaminophen, he said, is acetaminophen poisoning?

02:07:55.000 Oh yeah.

02:07:55.000 Is like a very high rate of poisoning.

02:07:57.000 I heard that's the kind...

02:07:58.000 People that don't want to read the labels?

02:08:00.000 You go to the hospital.

02:08:02.000 You've decided to commit suicide with Tylenol.

02:08:06.000 You've changed your mind. 0.98

02:08:07.000 Oh my god.

02:08:08.000 You go there thinking you're going to get, like, something...

02:08:10.000 They're going to give you something to make you better.

02:08:12.000 And they're like, your liver's gone.

02:08:14.000 Like, it's already eaten your liver up or something.

02:08:16.000 I don't know if this is just, like, some horror story I heard.

02:08:19.000 But I heard that's how it works, is once...

02:08:21.000 You're going to be alive a little bit...

02:08:24.000 You're gonna survive a little bit longer than after your liver is like kind of liquefied or something and then so it's a terrible OD. It's a terrible OD. Fuck that.

02:08:34.000 Acetaminophen eats you up. 1.00

02:08:35.000 That's why Vicodin's so bad because it's acetaminophen mixed with the opioid and it goes really well with...

02:08:43.000 White wine?

02:08:44.000 Red. 0.97

02:08:48.000 I was on a plane once, there was this lady next to me in first class, and she was fucking hilarious. 1.00

02:08:53.000 And she was like some business lady. 1.00

02:08:55.000 And she said, let me tell you something, a Xanax and a glass of wine, and I don't give a fuck what happens to this plane. 0.99

02:09:03.000 Ha ha ha! 0.99

02:09:06.000 She was hilarious. 0.53

02:09:07.000 That's so funny.

02:09:08.000 I think we were flying like overseas.

02:09:10.000 I think it was like an England flight or something like that.

02:09:13.000 That's so funny.

02:09:14.000 And this lady was just taking Xanax and drinking wine. 1.00

02:09:17.000 She didn't give a fuck. 1.00

02:09:18.000 And it was just like that combination for her in that moment was hilarious. 0.99

02:09:23.000 But I would imagine that would be super unmanageable.

02:09:26.000 I know people that have had problems with Xanax.

02:09:29.000 And especially like mixing Xanax.

02:09:30.000 I know a comic that was mixing Xanax with alcohol a lot.

02:09:33.000 Which you're not supposed to do.

02:09:35.000 No!

02:09:37.000 But that lady seems so happy. 0.97

02:09:39.000 Well, you are. 1.00

02:09:41.000 You're fucking happy till you're not, till you fucking come down. 1.00

02:09:44.000 I got addicted to Xanax. 1.00

02:09:45.000 It was fucking horrible, man. 1.00

02:09:46.000 I went on tour in Australia. 1.00

02:09:48.000 My dad had given me these sleeping pills that were the best fucking sleeping pills of all time, Joe. 0.99

02:09:55.000 And I'm so dumb, I didn't look in what was in it. 0.99

02:09:58.000 And there was Xanax in it. 0.97

02:09:59.000 There was a benzo in it.

02:10:01.000 Now, someone else had given me benzos.

02:10:04.000 Anyway, the point is, I didn't realize how many benzos I was taking.

02:10:09.000 So you were taking them every night to go to sleep?

02:10:11.000 And before a flight.

02:10:13.000 And so I end up getting home and, you know, I'm done with it. 0.99

02:10:18.000 Like, I feel like one flew over the fucking cuckoo's nest. 1.00

02:10:20.000 I'm like, I don't want to take this shit anymore. 1.00

02:10:22.000 It's horrible. 1.00

02:10:22.000 I feel gross. 1.00

02:10:23.000 It's like awful.

02:10:24.000 So I stopped taking it.

02:10:26.000 And you're not supposed to do that when you're addicted to Xanax.

02:10:29.000 So I stopped taking it.

02:10:30.000 I'm standing in line at a pharmacy, not to get more Xanax, to get cold.

02:10:35.000 No.

02:10:37.000 I don't know why it matters.

02:10:38.000 Advil or something. 0.98

02:10:39.000 So I'm standing in line and all of a sudden I get this weird fucking headache. 0.96

02:10:43.000 It feels like electricity is like, I don't know how to explain it. 0.96

02:10:46.000 Like my hand twitched or something and I'm like, ugh.

02:10:49.000 I just started feeling bad.

02:10:50.000 Went home.

02:10:52.000 Got into bed. 1.00

02:10:53.000 Worst headache of my fucking life. 1.00

02:10:55.000 I was closing my eyes. 0.99

02:10:57.000 I was seeing like bad trip images and stuff.

02:11:00.000 I couldn't sleep.

02:11:02.000 And I'm thinking, you know, man, if you go take Xanax, Right now, I guarantee this headache's gonna go away, because this is some kind of withdrawal, for sure. 0.93

02:11:11.000 And I'm like, if I fucking go take Xanax, that's how you get addicted to Xanax. 0.90

02:11:15.000 Right. 0.99

02:11:16.000 So I just rode it out, white knuckled it.

02:11:18.000 Oh my god.

02:11:19.000 Dude, it was- And you didn't know you're not supposed to do that?

02:11:21.000 I did not care.

02:11:24.000 I think it hurt.

02:11:25.000 I think I just realized, like, I don't think I knew you could die.

02:11:28.000 I think I just, in my mind, I was like, and I don't think I was close. 0.99

02:11:31.000 I don't think I was, I mean, the people who die, they're like just drinking glasses of fucking Xanax. 0.91

02:11:37.000 But you know, from your experience, the grip. 0.97

02:11:40.000 Oh.

02:11:40.000 Oh, yeah!

02:11:41.000 I mean, it's not just...

02:11:42.000 I mean, like, with a lot of things, vaping, like the basic little addictions, coffee, you know what I mean?

02:11:52.000 Like, coffee's a rough one, though.

02:11:54.000 Generally, though, you don't get, like, a sledgehammer effect when you stop it, you know?

02:11:59.000 You just feel irritable.

02:12:00.000 You feel a little...

02:12:01.000 But, yeah, with Xanax, with the opiates, the opioids...

02:12:05.000 Well, they say that Xanax and alcohol are the only ones that can actually kill you.

02:12:09.000 If you get off of them too quick.

02:12:11.000 Yeah, delirium tremens, right? 1.00

02:12:13.000 With alcohol, you see spiders and shit. 1.00

02:12:15.000 You have the worst trip of your fucking life. 1.00

02:12:17.000 And this is why people can't quit, because they could die. 1.00

02:12:21.000 Also, I think you've got to look at civilization, society, modern society, and think about...

02:12:35.000 Why are people taking these opioids?

02:12:37.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:12:38.000 It's not like everyone who gets addicted to fucking pills is some kind of miscreant junkie. 0.98

02:12:43.000 In fact, most of them are really good people. 0.99

02:12:46.000 They just, they kind of feel like whatever this shit is, reality, life, Minus the drugs is sort of a raw deal. 0.98

02:12:58.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:12:59.000 They're kind of like why?

02:13:01.000 Why?

02:13:01.000 Why do I need to be sober in like according to your definition of sober?

02:13:06.000 You know a lot of people they're like here's what sober is and they're not even fucking sober. 0.95

02:13:11.000 They're on coffee. 0.99

02:13:12.000 They smoke cigarettes.

02:13:14.000 They're on pharmaceutical medications.

02:13:18.000 But yeah, I think a lot like probably a lot of people who are on pills As awful as they are, and man, I'll tell you, man, I'm very close to someone who's related to someone who has an opioid addict.

02:13:33.000 It's scary.

02:13:34.000 Dude, it is awful.

02:13:35.000 It's a wrecking ball to families.

02:13:37.000 It destroys families in a way.

02:13:40.000 It's like...

02:13:41.000 The way it fucks up the family unit is so crazy, you can only compare it to demon possession.

02:13:48.000 It's like this used to be your brother.

02:13:51.000 This used to be your son.

02:13:53.000 It's a thing now that if it can, it's gonna steal your wallet.

02:13:58.000 It's gonna break into your house.

02:14:00.000 It's gonna like wreck your car.

02:14:03.000 But it looks like the person that you love. 1.00

02:14:06.000 But it keeps lying and robbing and doing awful shit. 1.00

02:14:10.000 Dude, it fucks up families. 1.00

02:14:13.000 Not just like direct families, it goes out and ripples.

02:14:17.000 So when you see 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses, that's just the people who died.

02:14:24.000 You're not seeing all the people who are close to death or the walking dead and the way that's impacting families and there's shame attached to it so people don't talk about it.

02:14:33.000 People don't know what to do.

02:14:35.000 The state isn't sophisticated enough to step in and deal with it. 0.98

02:14:38.000 Man, it's so fucking depressing. 0.99

02:14:40.000 It's so horrible. 0.99

02:14:43.000 It really is. 1.00

02:14:44.000 It's a fucking plague. 1.00

02:14:47.000 I mean, I know so many people who've been like just... 1.00

02:14:51.000 Ruined by it, and I'm sure you do too, man.

02:14:54.000 100%.

02:14:54.000 I know many people that have been ruined by it, and we know that it all came from pharmaceutical companies lying.

02:15:00.000 They lied about it being addictive.

02:15:02.000 They lied.

02:15:03.000 They distributed it.

02:15:04.000 What was that family?

02:15:04.000 The fentanyl family?

02:15:07.000 Was that family?

02:15:09.000 Jamie?

02:15:10.000 It's scary that people are willing to do stuff like that for profit and then once it happens and once you get that profit, you want to keep that profit rolling in so you keep selling it.

02:15:20.000 And you keep finding ways to prescribe it for people.

02:15:24.000 And people keep getting addicted.

02:15:27.000 Sacklers!

02:15:28.000 The Sackler family. 1.00

02:15:29.000 The fucking Sacklers, dude. 1.00

02:15:32.000 That's nuts. 1.00

02:15:33.000 They made so much money selling that stuff.

02:15:35.000 The thing is, if heroin was legal, like real, regular heroin, and people could snort it, and you get pure heroin, would all that stuff even exist anymore?

02:15:48.000 Probably not, right?

02:15:49.000 If it was regulated.

02:15:50.000 Because heroin's probably cheap to produce.

02:15:52.000 It probably doesn't kill you as easy either.

02:15:55.000 Like snorting heroin?

02:15:56.000 It probably doesn't kill you as easy.

02:15:58.000 As fentanyl?

02:16:00.000 As pills.

02:16:02.000 I have no idea, man.

02:16:03.000 Somehow I avoided heroin, like, of all the drugs.

02:16:05.000 I really have no idea.

02:16:07.000 I wonder, like, I think when people die from heroin overdose, are they dying from snorting it or are they dying from injecting it?

02:16:15.000 And if you made it legal, would people just start injecting it everywhere?

02:16:18.000 My guess is it doesn't matter how you get in your bloodstream.

02:16:21.000 Once you get to a certain amount, your respiratory system shuts down.

02:16:25.000 What's the word when you suffocate on your own puke?

02:16:27.000 Jesus Christ.

02:16:30.000 Self-asphyxiation or something like that?

02:16:32.000 Yeah, you go to sleep, but then you throw up.

02:16:36.000 Oh, God.

02:16:37.000 And then you suffocate.

02:16:39.000 You drown in puke, essentially.

02:16:40.000 Isn't that how Hendrix supposedly went out?

02:16:42.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:16:43.000 I mean, it's like that's how you go out is by drowning and puke.

02:16:47.000 It's a hell death.

02:16:49.000 You know, there's like a crazy conspiracy theory connected to Hendrix?

02:16:52.000 What?

02:16:52.000 That his manager had him whacked because he was going to leave his manager.

02:16:56.000 Like some guy who was like a security guy or something that wrote a book about it.

02:16:59.000 Really?

02:17:00.000 Yeah.

02:17:00.000 There's a lot of weird stuff to it.

02:17:02.000 Like Hendrix's girl, afterwards, threw herself off a roof.

02:17:07.000 And they were trying to say that they silenced her. 0.99

02:17:09.000 They took her to a fucking roof and threw her off of it. 1.00

02:17:13.000 They Putin'd her. 1.00

02:17:15.000 You know, that's very attractive.

02:17:17.000 I don't know the story.

02:17:18.000 I don't know whether it's correct or not.

02:17:20.000 I used to say, oh, I bet that's what happened. 0.99

02:17:22.000 But now I'm like, who the fuck knows? 0.99

02:17:24.000 But for sure organized crime was involved in music. 0.99

02:17:29.000 For sure.

02:17:30.000 Yeah, right?

02:17:30.000 Why would they not be?

02:17:31.000 They were involved in everything.

02:17:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:32.000 The mob back in the day was involved in any fucking thing that was profitable. 0.99

02:17:37.000 You know, I think one of the coolest things the mob has done lately... 0.97

02:17:40.000 It's gotten people to go the mob back in the day.

02:17:43.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:44.000 They're so smart because they're like, oh yeah, they got a PR person out there like, yeah, back in the day, the mob was doing all kinds of crazy stuff.

02:17:53.000 But the mob, it's mostly gone now.

02:17:55.000 There's no more mob.

02:17:56.000 It's really cool.

02:17:58.000 It's a smart move they did.

02:17:59.000 I like that.

02:18:00.000 It's like when Vince and the Chin, you know, he used to walk around New York City with like a bathrobe on and slippers and act crazy. 1.00

02:18:08.000 And meanwhile he was like giving everybody information.

02:18:10.000 Come walk with me.

02:18:11.000 We're gonna walk.

02:18:11.000 This is what we're gonna do.

02:18:12.000 The fucking Malangaris, they think they got us on this? 1.00

02:18:14.000 We're gonna take them out at the fucking knees. 1.00

02:18:16.000 This is how we're gonna do it. 1.00

02:18:17.000 So he's laying out what needs to be done, managing all the business of all the families.

02:18:23.000 And along the way, the FBI bugged the cars.

02:18:27.000 So they knew his route that he would take.

02:18:30.000 And so they just bugged the hubcaps of all these cars.

02:18:33.000 They parked a bunch of cars there.

02:18:34.000 I think that's the story that's connected to that, right?

02:18:36.000 Isn't that how they got him?

02:18:37.000 Or am I conflating two mob stories?

02:18:39.000 They might have used that on more than one mobster, that technique. 0.70

02:18:42.000 But that's how they got him. 0.66

02:18:43.000 The guy was just acting crazy.

02:18:44.000 Dude, it's so funny to me.

02:18:47.000 You know the thing is, again, I don't mean to be cynical.

02:18:51.000 I'm an old man now.

02:18:53.000 I'm older now.

02:18:54.000 I have gotten to the point where I recognize that The government isn't evil. 0.94

02:19:00.000 It's trying to do something, and that thing it's trying to do is really fucking hard.

02:19:05.000 It's trying to create a democracy, a place where you could raise your kids, not have kids, whatever, but live a relatively free life, be healthy, happy.

02:19:14.000 It's trying to do that.

02:19:15.000 That's the machine is trying to do that, and it's failing a lot.

02:19:18.000 It's trying, but...

02:19:21.000 It's gotten infiltrated. 0.99

02:19:22.000 So within it, there's chunks of really nefarious bad shit. 0.97

02:19:27.000 But it's like, at some point, you look at the wars between governments and mob, mafia, organized crime, and it's like, really, what's the... 0.98

02:19:37.000 Which one...

02:19:39.000 They're both resorting to really brutal tactics.

02:19:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:19:42.000 They both are okay with killing people. 0.99

02:19:44.000 They both wage war. 0.72

02:19:47.000 I mean strategically when you look at it.

02:19:51.000 If you take any classic drug dealer, any mid-level drug dealer, Make them like 500 times more powerful and they become a pharmaceutical company, right?

02:20:05.000 Like at some point you go from like selling illegal drugs to just starting a company, making fentanyl, and then legally selling synthetic heroin and being protected by the police.

02:20:16.000 While you sell the drugs.

02:20:18.000 That's the only difference, right?

02:20:19.000 The idea is you get organized crime.

02:20:23.000 The organized crime, if it gets to a certain level, it gets on the radar, and then it gets shut down.

02:20:28.000 But if it manages to jump through that level, then usually it just gets into politics, right?

02:20:35.000 And then it just becomes part of the government, right?

02:20:37.000 That's the ultimate place you want to be.

02:20:39.000 You want to go from Succumbing to laws, to controlling the laws.

02:20:44.000 That's like victory, right?

02:20:46.000 When you get to make the laws. 0.99

02:20:47.000 So, I don't know, it seems like, I don't know, I always think it's funny when you're hearing about them bugging their hubcaps and stuff, and it's just like, shit, man, it seems like it's just another mob war. 0.98

02:20:58.000 You know, they're not calling themselves the mob, they're calling themselves the government. 0.95

02:21:03.000 But it's still kind of a mob, it's just one very, very powerful mob fighting.

02:21:06.000 You gotta be careful about malinformation, Duncan.

02:21:09.000 Did I do malinformation just now?

02:21:10.000 No, but we have to be careful.

02:21:11.000 That's why we need this organization protecting us from malinformation.

02:21:15.000 If you're wearing a clown suit on a podcast, you're allowed to do malinformation. 1.00

02:21:21.000 But you have to wear a stupid fucking clown suit. 1.00

02:21:24.000 Maybe that's the answer. 1.00

02:21:25.000 It's just like, look, make them wear something really dumb, and then they can malinform. 0.94

02:21:30.000 Maybe that's what the president should be. 1.00

02:21:32.000 Maybe you could be the president, but you have to dress like a clown. 0.98

02:21:35.000 That's one of our new rules. 0.98

02:21:37.000 Funny?

02:21:38.000 You can't, like...

02:21:39.000 Yeah, you can't dress up. 0.96

02:21:40.000 You have to dress like a clown. 0.94

02:21:41.000 Wait, didn't Biden dress like the Easter Bunny, though? 0.98

02:21:44.000 No, Ted Cruz...

02:21:46.000 Somebody did?

02:21:48.000 Yeah, Jamie, I'm sorry.

02:21:49.000 You looked that up.

02:21:50.000 It wasn't...

02:21:50.000 I think it was, like, the first lady...

02:21:55.000 You know that video of, like, the bunny, like, directing Biden?

02:21:59.000 Like, that was some...

02:22:01.000 Who is that?

02:22:02.000 You haven't seen this Easter Bunny?

02:22:04.000 Like the rabbit kind of like made him move on.

02:22:08.000 The rabbit made Biden move on?

02:22:12.000 So there's Biden waves to the rabbit.

02:22:15.000 Joe Biden quickly interrupted by Easter Bunny after he's talking about Afghanistan.

02:22:19.000 Oh my God.

02:22:23.000 So the Easter Bunny came in while...

02:22:30.000 Hey, it's Easter!

02:22:31.000 It's Easter, Mr. President!

02:22:33.000 Oh my God, he stepped right in front of the President while he was making that speech about Afghanistan.

02:22:39.000 Yeah.

02:22:39.000 And moved him along.

02:22:40.000 That is insane! 1.00

02:22:41.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99

02:22:42.000 It's like The Shining. 0.99

02:22:43.000 What a genius organization we have watching over our best interests.

02:22:46.000 Because that's a great way to do it.

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:48.000 Like, that's the only way you can do it and get away with it.

02:22:51.000 Yeah, he walked away.

02:22:52.000 Easter Bunny's like, sir, Mr. President?

02:22:54.000 He's probably got a gun to his back, sir.

02:22:56.000 This is not a finger. 1.00

02:22:57.000 I would pay a lot of money to have a fucking Easter Bunny follow me around and do that whenever I was about to say some dumb shit. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Like a rabbit's like, come on, Duncan, let's go. 1.00

02:23:06.000 We should have that on the podcast. 0.99

02:23:07.000 Anytime we're talking about something, we don't know what the fuck we're talking about. 0.98

02:23:09.000 A rabbit shows up. 0.99

02:23:10.000 Just comes out of the curtain.

02:23:12.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:23:14.000 Malinformation. 0.87

02:23:15.000 It would be an AI rabbit that looks like Coraline's mother.

02:23:17.000 Look at that.

02:23:18.000 Yeah, the rabbit's pushing him around.

02:23:21.000 Yeah, go! 1.00

02:23:21.000 The rabbit's guiding him. 1.00

02:23:23.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

02:23:24.000 What in the fuck, dude? 1.00

02:23:25.000 Who was the rabbit? 1.00

02:23:26.000 Exactly.

02:23:27.000 Who was in the suit?

02:23:28.000 Furries are secretly controlling the government.

02:23:30.000 It's not lizard people. 1.00

02:23:31.000 Oh my fucking god. 0.99

02:23:32.000 They misread the Great Scrolls. 1.00

02:23:35.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:23:36.000 Dude, it could have been an alien in the suit. 1.00

02:23:38.000 I'm back.

02:23:39.000 It could have been anything in the suit of a robot.

02:23:42.000 That's what it is. 0.99

02:23:43.000 Imagine it gets in there and takes it off the top and it's a fucking gray alien. 0.99

02:23:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:48.000 Has been communicating with the White House this whole time.

02:23:50.000 No, no, no, no, no.

02:23:51.000 Don't say that.

02:23:52.000 That's spooky, man.

02:23:53.000 I mean, it is.

02:23:54.000 That's like...

02:23:55.000 Remember that scene in The Shining? 1.00

02:23:56.000 It's real quick where they open the door and it's like a furry sucking a guy's dick. 1.00

02:24:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:24:04.000 It's like...

02:24:04.000 A guy with a mask or something like that, right?

02:24:05.000 Yeah, it's creepy.

02:24:07.000 It's like anything like that where you're like...

02:24:09.000 Because whoever's under that, whoever's in that suit, it's not like they heard him talking.

02:24:15.000 It's that someone told them, hey, 798, go interrupt the president.

02:24:20.000 He's about to say something about Afghanistan.

02:24:22.000 He's talking about Afghanistan.

02:24:23.000 Move, move, move!

02:24:24.000 Move, now, go, go! 0.55

02:24:25.000 Do we have an Easter Bunny near the president?

02:24:28.000 Okay, good.

02:24:29.000 Interrupt.

02:24:29.000 Now.

02:24:29.000 Oh my god, that's so wild.

02:24:32.000 It's so wild they just can't let him talk.

02:24:34.000 And it's so wild that Twitter is fact-checking him now.

02:24:38.000 Twitter fact-checks Biden's tweets.

02:24:41.000 Look, man, if we're gonna do fact-checking, it's gotta be for everybody.

02:24:44.000 It's gotta be for everybody.

02:24:45.000 Everybody!

02:24:46.000 And that's good for everybody.

02:24:47.000 Yeah!

02:24:48.000 You can't have such a lazy game.

02:24:49.000 Your propaganda game can't be that lazy. 1.00

02:24:52.000 How about no fucking propaganda game? 1.00

02:24:55.000 Wouldn't that be nice? 1.00

02:24:56.000 It'd be sweet. 0.99

02:24:56.000 It'd be nice to not be always constantly getting blasted by some weird fucking propaganda. 0.99

02:25:02.000 I would love that. 0.99

02:25:03.000 I mean, again, it is our fault.

02:25:04.000 We're the ones turning on our propaganda rectangles and letting it hypnotize us.

02:25:09.000 It is consensual propaganda.

02:25:11.000 It's not like people are standing in front of our houses with megaphones.

02:25:14.000 But it also has real-world consequences.

02:25:16.000 We're seeing these people.

02:25:18.000 We're seeing some of the attitudes that they're adopting.

02:25:22.000 And some of the things that they're pushing to just stay in control of government. 1.00

02:25:26.000 It's like, you guys are stirring up the bullshit. 0.99

02:25:29.000 You're misrepresenting people. 1.00

02:25:31.000 You're doing it to cause conflict.

02:25:34.000 And you're doing it to shore up your party.

02:25:37.000 And you're doing it wantonly.

02:25:39.000 You're doing it on purpose.

02:25:40.000 We can see it.

02:25:41.000 It's real obvious.

02:25:42.000 Why do you even...

02:25:43.000 You know, like, sometimes I watch Game of Thrones or the new one, which is badass House of Dragons. 0.99

02:25:48.000 And you're like, everybody wants to be fucking king. 0.98

02:25:51.000 Why? 0.99

02:25:52.000 It's a managerial job.

02:25:54.000 It's like everyone's fighting for just to sit.

02:25:59.000 Why?

02:26:00.000 It's what we were talking about before.

02:26:02.000 That desire to be the head of the clan.

02:26:05.000 The desire to be the head of the tribe is instilled in all of us.

02:26:09.000 We were in these little tribal groups for most of the time that we were humans.

02:26:15.000 For thousands of years we lived like that.

02:26:18.000 Until they figured out transportation, until they figured out how to ride animals, until they figured out how to branch out, until they figured out boats.

02:26:26.000 That's how humans lived.

02:26:28.000 That's how we'd be developed into humans.

02:26:30.000 That's how we survived.

02:26:31.000 You don't want to be president.

02:26:32.000 No, but it's instilled in the DNA you're a logical person. 1.00

02:26:37.000 But I would imagine if you weren't, and if it was also instilled upon you as a small child that that's the best job in the world, and you can't sing and you can't dance, and you're not good at writing books, you can be the fucking president. 0.98

02:26:52.000 Do you fit the right criteria? 0.97

02:26:54.000 Are you trustworthy?

02:26:56.000 Can you speak in a way?

02:26:57.000 You don't even have to be extraordinary in your accomplishments.

02:27:01.000 As an intellectual, as an artist, as anything.

02:27:05.000 All you have to do is be this person that talks.

02:27:07.000 A lot of them are lawyers, right?

02:27:08.000 And they learn how to talk in a certain way, and they're convincing enough, and they've got enough people to cover up their dirty secrets, that they can get into a position of extreme power. 0.98

02:27:22.000 And the only way out of that is people realizing how dumb that is and people not wanting to do it anymore and you get a smaller and smaller group of people that are running and a less and less interesting and charismatic group of people that are running because nobody wants that fucking eye of Sauron on you. 0.97

02:27:40.000 Nobody wants that microscope and your fucking your life and all of your details of it and you want to be the president of what? 1.00

02:27:47.000 Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

02:27:49.000 Yeah, you don't want that. 1.00

02:27:50.000 You don't So the only people that do want that are the people that are like so deeply entrenched in that game.

02:27:55.000 And we're seeing, like with Biden and with Trump, it's people that have been around a long time.

02:28:00.000 With Trump, maybe not politics, but around politics a long time.

02:28:04.000 And with Biden in politics forever.

02:28:06.000 They're like wrapped up in that system. 0.99

02:28:08.000 If you're a fucking motocross rider, you want to be the guy who wins the race. 1.00

02:28:13.000 It's a fucking game. 1.00

02:28:15.000 It's your whole day. 1.00

02:28:16.000 All day. 1.00

02:28:17.000 Twelve hours a fucking day. 1.00

02:28:18.000 That's your... 1.00

02:28:19.000 You want to get what you put in that bill through.

02:28:23.000 You want to talk to your constituents.

02:28:25.000 You want to push your narrative.

02:28:27.000 You want to do this.

02:28:28.000 You want to do...

02:28:28.000 It's a winner of death and destruction.

02:28:32.000 Death and disease.

02:28:34.000 Illness and death.

02:28:35.000 Ugh.

02:28:36.000 This is like you're guiding the zeitgeist of the population. 1.00

02:28:42.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:28:43.000 Isn't that wild? 1.00

02:28:44.000 Horrible.

02:28:45.000 Wild.

02:28:46.000 Annoying.

02:28:47.000 And real.

02:28:47.000 But that's real.

02:28:48.000 That's really actually happening.

02:28:50.000 That's really actually happening. 1.00

02:28:53.000 Ugh, it's just so, it's so fucked up, man. 0.99

02:28:56.000 Like, it would be so cool if we just evolved to the point where at some point nobody wants to be president. 0.99

02:29:04.000 Like, no one will run.

02:29:05.000 What would they do then?

02:29:06.000 What if everybody was just like, nah, we're not interested in the job.

02:29:09.000 The problem is there's always going to be militaries.

02:29:12.000 There's always going to be people that are in charge of the militaries. 0.98

02:29:14.000 If you're in charge of the biggest military and you have the biggest might, You know, you have a real significant advantage over everybody else that's talking shit and trying to do things. 0.95

02:29:24.000 And maybe you're interfering in these countries. 0.98

02:29:26.000 Maybe you're fucking finagling behind the scenes and, you know, sowing the seeds of resentment and hate around the world because of your policies. 0.97

02:29:33.000 And maybe that's actually happening. 0.99

02:29:36.000 And maybe you don't want to lose that power.

02:29:38.000 Also, maybe you just, like, probably by being in the government, you get security clearance.

02:29:45.000 Once you get the security clearance, you start seeing what's really going on. 0.99

02:29:49.000 Once you start seeing what's really going on, you probably stop talking shit as much as we do. 0.99

02:29:57.000 100%. 0.99

02:29:57.000 You're probably like, oh, I get it now. 0.99

02:30:01.000 Well, here's the counter-argument. 1.00

02:30:02.000 The counter-argument is you need that because there's so much fucked up shit going on in the world. 0.99

02:30:05.000 And if we didn't do that, it would be way worse for us. 0.99

02:30:08.000 That's the counter-argument.

02:30:10.000 And there's a lot of arguments against counter-argument because there's a lot of money involved.

02:30:14.000 There's a lot of defense spending.

02:30:16.000 The defense spending is crazy numbers.

02:30:20.000 So much money.

02:30:20.000 It's more than a trillion dollars a year or something like that.

02:30:22.000 It's so much money.

02:30:23.000 So much money.

02:30:24.000 So you got to think about there's a lot of business.

02:30:26.000 That's the Eisenhower speech where he's talking about the military industrial complex.

02:30:29.000 There's a lot of business attached to that too.

02:30:31.000 But there's also the argument that you need it.

02:30:34.000 The argument is not hippie utopia, let's look at the world through rose-colored glasses.

02:30:38.000 The argument is like, how much are we contributing to the problems of the world and how much are we fixing them?

02:30:44.000 And if the government is not good at Anything! 0.94

02:30:49.000 There's not one thing where they're like, they fucking nailed that. 0.97

02:30:51.000 Nailed it. 0.97

02:30:51.000 There's not one thing. 0.97

02:30:52.000 Hold on, wait.

02:30:53.000 I'll think of something.

02:30:54.000 There's gotta be something.

02:30:56.000 Post office.

02:30:56.000 Post office is probably the best thing they've ever done.

02:30:57.000 Post office. 0.89

02:30:58.000 Post office is pretty fucking incredible. 1.00

02:31:00.000 People shit on the post office. 1.00

02:31:01.000 It's the only way you're allowed to transport live chicks. 1.00

02:31:04.000 So if you want to raise chickens, you get live chicks. 0.99

02:31:06.000 You have to get them transported by the post office.

02:31:08.000 No way.

02:31:09.000 Yeah, they know how to do it.

02:31:11.000 So we got the post office.

02:31:12.000 There's got to be something else.

02:31:14.000 Libraries.

02:31:15.000 Libraries.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, they do a pretty good job at that.

02:31:17.000 Library of Congress?

02:31:18.000 Because people that are involved in libraries are dedicated to giving people books because they know how valuable information is.

02:31:25.000 That's the purest example of wanting to help people.

02:31:28.000 Vietnam!

02:31:32.000 Vietnam went perfectly.

02:31:35.000 That was a good one.

02:31:37.000 We learned a lot.

02:31:38.000 We learned a lot.

02:31:40.000 We learned a lot from Vietnam.

02:31:42.000 Was it perfect?

02:31:43.000 No.

02:31:44.000 But yeah, when you look at the bigger picture, the many, many mistakes...

02:31:52.000 That have happened.

02:31:53.000 You know, it is curious to me, though, like, we do live in a time now where it seems like there, like, if you just, it seems like there's almost like a prohibition.

02:32:02.000 People don't want you to say, like, maybe we shouldn't go to war.

02:32:06.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:07.000 Like, if you start saying that, you get aligned with one side or the other.

02:32:10.000 Well, the thing is Russia invaded Ukraine.

02:32:13.000 Russia, they connected Trump. 0.63

02:32:14.000 Trump is bad.

02:32:15.000 Trump collude Russia. 0.82

02:32:17.000 That was a narrative for so long, right?

02:32:19.000 So whether you believe it or not, whether it's been refuted or not, I thought mostly it has.

02:32:24.000 But at the end of the day, they really were successful in connecting Trump to Russia.

02:32:29.000 There's a feeling you get when you feel about Russia.

02:32:33.000 You're an anti-Trump guy, and then Russia invades Ukraine.

02:32:36.000 Okay, this is a horrible act of war.

02:32:39.000 Clearly, there's one party that has escalated this to the point of violence, and it's the worst thing that could ever happen in the world, when a neighboring country invades a neighboring country. 0.99

02:32:50.000 Fucking Jesus Christ, the world has to sit back and watch this. 0.99

02:32:53.000 Horrible. 1.00

02:32:54.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that.

02:32:56.000 So everybody is, like, pushing to arm Ukraine.

02:33:00.000 And I don't see a lot of people clamoring for some sort of a peace agreement or at least conversations about it.

02:33:11.000 I know they've had some conversations.

02:33:12.000 Zelensky, he wants, like, Putin to resign.

02:33:15.000 You know, like, have you ever seen that?

02:33:18.000 Like, that he wants Putin to step down.

02:33:19.000 Like, that's one of the things.

02:33:21.000 Didn't he say that?

02:33:22.000 He said he would talk to Russia, but he wouldn't talk to the president of Russia or something like that.

02:33:26.000 He definitely wants him to step down.

02:33:28.000 He wants him to step down.

02:33:31.000 Is that the only thing that will accept?

02:33:34.000 Is that what he said?

02:33:35.000 The best analysis of it I saw was on Russian state TV, where some of the people on Russian state TV are starting to say, wait a minute.

02:33:43.000 And this guy was like, look, Ukraine is...

02:33:46.000 I don't remember the words he used.

02:33:48.000 Well, I don't speak Russian.

02:33:49.000 They were translating it.

02:33:50.000 But he's essentially saying, look...

02:33:51.000 You're not...

02:33:52.000 You're not...

02:33:54.000 He was saying, these are the people, these are Russians.

02:33:57.000 They survived this or that.

02:33:59.000 I can't remember the exact thing they're talking about.

02:34:00.000 The siege of...

02:34:01.000 I don't remember what it's called.

02:34:03.000 I'm sorry, man.

02:34:04.000 I'm terrible at history.

02:34:05.000 But he's like, these are Russians. 0.75

02:34:07.000 They survived all this.

02:34:08.000 You're not going to starve them out.

02:34:09.000 You're not going to freeze them out.

02:34:11.000 They're not backing down.

02:34:12.000 You don't have their minds.

02:34:14.000 You're not going to get them to surrender.

02:34:16.000 So where's the out?

02:34:17.000 The idea was quick invasion.

02:34:21.000 They're gonna surrender right away and then He's gonna like take a chunk of Ukraine and then everything Everything like ends but it sucks because still yet whatever but it's like it's not working so even There's no way to, 0.99

02:34:38.000 like, say, like, all right, well, let's concede this, the Donbass or whatever to Russia, because Ukraine's like, fuck that. 0.98

02:34:44.000 We're taking Crimea back. 0.99

02:34:46.000 Like, we're taking all of it back because they're starting to win.

02:34:49.000 And they're winning because the largest military on Earth has been giving them God knows what.

02:34:54.000 We only, God knows what.

02:34:56.000 Like, what kind of data they're getting from, like, satellites we don't even know are up there.

02:35:01.000 Well, Russia's threatening to shoot down satellites now.

02:35:03.000 Well, that's why, because I'm sure we're giving them hardcore data about everything.

02:35:11.000 So it's like, man, this is what's so scary about it, isn't it?

02:35:15.000 It's like, where is the concession that has to happen for a war to end?

02:35:19.000 Where's the thing where Putin can successfully withdraw the troops?

02:35:27.000 And why isn't this the conversation?

02:35:30.000 Like that you're seeing amongst most people online.

02:35:33.000 Shouldn't most people online be saying that instead of like just blindly supporting one side or the other? 0.99

02:35:38.000 Shouldn't they be going we got to stop this in its fucking tracks? 0.77

02:35:41.000 Well, I feel like what should be happening is a massive public, like, demand for there to be talks between everybody. 0.99

02:35:55.000 Like, in Russia, they should be like, fucking talk to Zelensky. 0.99

02:35:58.000 Here, we should be like, fucking Biden, talk to fucking Putin. 1.00

02:36:02.000 You know, not just about, what's her name? 1.00

02:36:06.000 Brittany Grant.

02:36:06.000 Not just about her, but let's...

02:36:09.000 As grotesque as it might be to sit down and try to negotiate with people who thought it was a good idea to just fucking invade another country and kill a bunch of people, it's preferable to nuclear holocaust. 0.99

02:36:22.000 Yes. 1.00

02:36:23.000 So let's just fucking... 0.99

02:36:24.000 It's gross. 0.99

02:36:25.000 No one wants to do it.

02:36:26.000 Like, you know, that whole thing, there was a period, I don't know if you did that, but for a while you start watching documentaries on Putin, and you catch that weird aspect of them, you're like...

02:36:36.000 There's something kind of cool about him, right?

02:36:38.000 There was, like, this weird cool thing.

02:36:39.000 That's gone! 1.00

02:36:40.000 We all think he's a fucking, like, tyrannical asshole. 1.00

02:36:43.000 Fuck him. 1.00

02:36:43.000 We get it. 1.00

02:36:44.000 Nobody likes him. 0.98

02:36:45.000 He's horrible. 1.00

02:36:46.000 He killed countless kids and his own soldiers. 1.00

02:36:48.000 He's fucking awful. 1.00

02:36:50.000 But, like, we need a solution to this that doesn't end in a nuclear holocaust. 1.00

02:36:57.000 Like, or something worse. 1.00

02:36:59.000 Like, those motherfuckers have smallpox, too. 1.00

02:37:01.000 They don't just have nuclear weapons. 1.00

02:37:02.000 Like, they've got all kinds of shit over there that... 0.99

02:37:05.000 You know, lots of stuff, just like we do. 1.00

02:37:08.000 So, goddamn, man. 1.00

02:37:10.000 I mean, I feel like such a stupid hippie, because it's like, I don't know anything. 1.00

02:37:15.000 I'm sure if I was a Ukrainian and my children had been blown up, I would be like, yeah, let the fucking nuclear bomb come, because I don't have anything else to live for. 1.00

02:37:23.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:37:24.000 Let's destroy them. 1.00

02:37:25.000 Let's kill them. 1.00

02:37:26.000 That's what war is. 1.00

02:37:27.000 You get no froth!

02:37:29.000 And even saying, like, God, I wish they could talk. 0.99

02:37:32.000 Who am I to fucking say? 0.99

02:37:33.000 I live in fucking Austin. 0.99

02:37:37.000 You know, I ride one of those pedicabs around sometimes for music festivals. 0.99

02:37:41.000 I don't know what the smell of burning...

02:37:44.000 I never smelled burning children. 1.00

02:37:47.000 People there fucking have. 0.99

02:37:48.000 Right now, at the same time that you're here in Austin, that's happening. 0.99

02:37:51.000 Yes!

02:37:51.000 That's what's insane about the world.

02:37:53.000 Fucking horrible, but it's like, how do you, how do you, how do you get like, logic or like, Human reasoning to appear in the most illogical, unreasonable thing, which is fucking war. 0.99

02:38:07.000 How do you summon the spirit of rationality in a place where people, just for living, had their children's playground blown up? 0.99

02:38:20.000 People were at a playground and fucking Russia shot missiles into it. 0.99

02:38:25.000 How do you fucking make that work after that? 1.00

02:38:28.000 You don't! 1.00

02:38:30.000 You don't.

02:38:31.000 And then it's like, okay, well, we're going to stop giving them weapons because we don't want there to be a nuclear holocaust.

02:38:35.000 So it's like, really?

02:38:36.000 You don't want to push back against this massive empire that just decided to encroach upon another country?

02:38:42.000 You think they're going to stop?

02:38:43.000 Are they going to stop?

02:38:44.000 I don't know the solution, man. 1.00

02:38:46.000 What's the fucking solution? 1.00

02:38:48.000 You know, it's like we need our presidents to have that thing that the chest dude had up his ass. 1.00

02:38:53.000 You know, something that's vibrating. 0.99

02:38:55.000 From aliens.

02:38:56.000 Yeah, from aliens.

02:38:57.000 They give us all the data.

02:38:59.000 Now, the most hopeful version for me of this alien thing is that they're monitoring all this.

02:39:06.000 And they realize there's a point in civilization...

02:39:09.000 Just like there's a point in the evolution of everything that's competitive.

02:39:17.000 It's like they're trying to succeed and squash out all the things that are against them.

02:39:23.000 And if they have the capability of literally destroying...

02:39:27.000 Thousands of people, and they do it on a regular basis.

02:39:30.000 So thousands of people is pretty normal, right?

02:39:32.000 Thousands of people in Ukraine is...

02:39:34.000 Thousands of people are dead, right?

02:39:35.000 How many people have been killed by drones, all told?

02:39:38.000 It's gotta be a thousand, right?

02:39:39.000 Way over that.

02:39:41.000 Let's take a guess.

02:39:42.000 How many people do you think have been ever killed by drones in warfare?

02:39:48.000 Oh my god.

02:39:50.000 What do you think it is?

02:39:53.000 It's gotta be, like...

02:39:56.000 It's got to be over 100,000 people, right?

02:40:00.000 I'm going to guess...

02:40:01.000 Yeah, I'm going to guess like 80,000 people.

02:40:05.000 How many people have been killed by drones ever?

02:40:11.000 I'm just guessing.

02:40:12.000 I have no idea what it would be.

02:40:14.000 What is it?

02:40:19.000 I'm trying to find the answer.

02:40:20.000 It's mixing a bunch of stuff together at once.

02:40:22.000 Oh, you want to read it?

02:40:23.000 Well, no, no, I'm just on Google.

02:40:25.000 The one I said is like military.

02:40:27.000 How many people have the U.S. military killed in general?

02:40:29.000 Oh.

02:40:31.000 I Googled drones.

02:40:32.000 How about just a number of deaths by drone per year?

02:40:37.000 I got a counting drone death strikes.

02:40:41.000 Ah, there's no number.

02:40:45.000 This says the estimates are incomplete.

02:40:47.000 They're like, whatever, whatever.

02:40:49.000 Do you ever see that art installation that any time a drone strike happened, it lit a match?

02:40:54.000 It would sit there and somehow it was connected to whatever that is.

02:40:59.000 So whenever there's a drone strike, a match or something would light and it would just drop it on the ground.

02:41:05.000 Or it would burn a piece of paper and just drop it on the ground.

02:41:08.000 The scariest thing about the drones is the number of people that are innocent that get killed.

02:41:13.000 U.S. airstrikes killed at least 22,000 civilians since 9-11.

02:41:17.000 Way lower than we thought!

02:41:18.000 Way lower.

02:41:19.000 Figures based on reported numbers of U.S. airstrikes highlight the human cost of the 20-year war on terror.

02:41:25.000 So, but that's airstrikes. 0.59

02:41:27.000 That could be missiles launched out of jets, right?

02:41:32.000 Couldn't it be other things other than just drones?

02:41:35.000 I mean, way more people are dying from fentanyl than drones.

02:41:37.000 U.S. drone and airstrikes.

02:41:39.000 So it's combined.

02:41:40.000 That's what it is.

02:41:41.000 It's both of those things.

02:41:42.000 So drone and airstrikes.

02:41:44.000 As perhaps as many as 48,000.

02:41:48.000 Wow.

02:41:49.000 That's a lot of people.

02:41:50.000 So they've killed at least 22,000 and perhaps as many as 48,000 since the 9-11 terror attacks.

02:41:57.000 The analysis based on U.S. military's own assertion is that it has conducted almost 100,000 airstrikes since 2001. Holy shit, dude. 0.99

02:42:09.000 Represents an attempt to estimate the number of civilian deaths across the multiple conflicts that have comprised aspects of the war on terror. 1.00

02:42:17.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.95

02:42:20.000 I want you to just think about 100,000 airstrikes. 1.00

02:42:26.000 Imagine watching that video.

02:42:29.000 It'd be a long video.

02:42:30.000 That's a long video.

02:42:33.000 Wow.

02:42:34.000 Super sad.

02:42:35.000 Potentially as high as 48,308 civilians killed.

02:42:39.000 The number is nuts too.

02:42:41.000 It's like mostly the wrong people.

02:42:44.000 Man, I don't know. 0.64

02:42:45.000 I just really hope that somehow, by some fucking miracle, somehow, somehow, to me, it's caught me, man. 0.91

02:42:59.000 The war has caught me. 0.96

02:43:01.000 I look at it every night.

02:43:03.000 I'm always checking it out.

02:43:04.000 I got kids now.

02:43:06.000 It's terrifying.

02:43:07.000 For everybody, for loved ones, for society as we know it.

02:43:10.000 It's terrifying for everything about everything about life.

02:43:13.000 And it's like, what's really, I think, the most like, the thing that freaks me out the most is like, truly, all that has to happen is one dude...

02:43:26.000 Has to go, you know what? 0.99

02:43:28.000 I fucked up. 1.00

02:43:30.000 You're going to kill me or I'm going to get arrested. 1.00

02:43:32.000 I fucked up and just bring all the troops out and it's done. 1.00

02:43:37.000 Like, that's it. 0.99

02:43:37.000 That's the thing that's like so... 0.99

02:43:39.000 I don't think it's that easy, man.

02:43:40.000 There's a lot of checks and balances in place. 0.99

02:43:42.000 Putin, I think, could just be like, I fucked up. 0.98

02:43:45.000 Yeah, I don't think he's ever going to say that. 0.99

02:43:47.000 I don't think he can say that when you want to be running a strong country like Russia.

02:43:51.000 I literally don't think that's in the way they ever communicate.

02:43:54.000 Well, I know.

02:43:55.000 Unfortunately.

02:43:55.000 I know, but it's weird, right?

02:43:57.000 Yeah, it is weird.

02:43:57.000 But it's almost like you're asking him to blow guys on TV. It's not going to happen.

02:44:02.000 It's like he's such an old school leader in the weirdest sense of appealing to that one alpha that runs the tribe.

02:44:12.000 He's so old school in that regard.

02:44:14.000 It's like a figure of history, right?

02:44:17.000 The man that controls this entire country.

02:44:19.000 That's a common figure in history.

02:44:22.000 And that's what he is now.

02:44:23.000 And we just forget that that's how humans are kind of hardwired.

02:44:27.000 And I really, I mean, obviously, I'm not an anthropologist, but I would assume that that has something to do with the way we developed in tribes.

02:44:34.000 And we can't get away from it with that guy.

02:44:37.000 We can't get away with the Trump lovers, with everything.

02:44:40.000 Everybody wants some person that's our solution to all those things.

02:44:43.000 Carrie Lake's going to take us home. 1.00

02:44:44.000 You know, everybody's got this thing in their head that they think is going to be the solution to all the problems.

02:44:49.000 And I'm not saying that those people aren't individual solutions to problems that are happening locally around them.

02:44:54.000 I think they are.

02:44:55.000 And I think that makes sense even more than a president. 0.96

02:44:59.000 But at the end of the day, when all is said and done, it's fucking strange. 0.94

02:45:04.000 It's fucking strange that there's all this unnecessary conflict that's consistently going on all around us and we don't question it. 0.96

02:45:11.000 We don't go like what what kind of nonsense world we live in and we don't have much time kids We should be a lot nicer to each other. 0.97

02:45:18.000 It's not that hard, right?

02:45:20.000 Yeah, man.

02:45:21.000 I mean I doubt it like it it all goes back to that.

02:45:24.000 It's like alright.

02:45:24.000 Well get off I'm talking to myself here.

02:45:27.000 This is by the way. 0.99

02:45:28.000 I've here's my shit. 0.99

02:45:30.000 Here's my Spirit Shitty spiritual advice is what I discover. 0.99

02:45:34.000 I'm telling you man. 0.98

02:45:35.000 It's changed my life Anytime Instead of the old days when I'd blither and blather and ear beat people with some spiritual fucking advice for their lives. 0.92

02:45:44.000 Anytime I'm about to do that, I don't. 0.83

02:45:47.000 And I apply it to myself.

02:45:49.000 So it's like if I'm about to like suggest to someone that maybe exercise is gonna make them feel better.

02:45:57.000 I exercise.

02:45:59.000 Or if I'm like, you know what, maybe you should meditate.

02:46:02.000 That's when I meditate.

02:46:04.000 Instead of saying it, I just start applying it to myself. 1.00

02:46:06.000 Holy shit, man. 0.99

02:46:07.000 It's really fucking good advice for me. 1.00

02:46:10.000 You're taking your own advice. 0.99

02:46:11.000 For me.

02:46:12.000 Luckily.

02:46:12.000 Because it's easier to get someone else to exercise than to get you to exercise and meditate.

02:46:18.000 So it's like, what I'm doing right now, and I'm not recommending this for anybody else, is I'm just trying to calm the fuck down. 0.86

02:46:26.000 Just calm down. 0.98

02:46:27.000 Stop getting so fucking frustrated. 0.99

02:46:29.000 Stop being wobbly or unstable. 0.98

02:46:34.000 Try to maintain stability in an honest way.

02:46:38.000 Around my family and friends for as much as I can.

02:46:42.000 That's why I quit drinking.

02:46:43.000 And it's working wonders.

02:46:47.000 It's working wonders. 0.93

02:46:48.000 So it's like, you know, with this stuff, it's so frustrating because it's like, what the fuck are we going to do? 0.92

02:46:52.000 What? 0.90

02:46:53.000 I guarantee Putin isn't going to listen to this podcast and be like, you know what?

02:46:58.000 Maybe instead of the war, I will start blowing dudes on TV. That's not gonna happen, you're right!

02:47:06.000 But it's like, yeah, so that's frustrating.

02:47:10.000 There's a very limited realm of control we have out there.

02:47:12.000 So it's like, alright, what do you have control over?

02:47:15.000 What do you have control over?

02:47:17.000 And it's like that thing you were talking about when we went out to eat, you're like, You gotta put that monster in a box.

02:47:23.000 That thing.

02:47:24.000 Whatever your particular monster may be, figure out a way.

02:47:28.000 Keep it in the box.

02:47:29.000 Eventually you can actually melt it down.

02:47:32.000 Like, it doesn't even have to be a monster anymore.

02:47:33.000 They say that you could actually, over time, The thing becomes less and less and less and less of a monster.

02:47:42.000 But we were talking about mental illness that applies to obsessing on things.

02:47:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:46.000 Which is why we can't fuck with video games. 0.99

02:47:48.000 That's what the monster was for us. 0.99

02:47:49.000 That monster is this desire to get immersed in things. 0.99

02:47:55.000 And it's fucking creepy. 0.99

02:47:58.000 It takes people. 1.00

02:47:59.000 Gamblers? 0.68

02:48:00.000 They're possessed by demons. 0.78

02:48:02.000 Like hardcore gamblers.

02:48:03.000 Did you see Uncut Gems?

02:48:05.000 No.

02:48:05.000 It's amazing.

02:48:07.000 It's an Adam Sandler movie, and it's not a comedy at all. 0.99

02:48:09.000 It's a fucking great movie. 0.98

02:48:11.000 It's probably one of the best movies about gambling, if not the best, ever made. 1.00

02:48:14.000 It's really good.

02:48:15.000 It'll give you anxiety. 1.00

02:48:16.000 You'd be like, oh my god, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

02:48:20.000 When you're watching this movie, you're like, oh my god. 1.00

02:48:22.000 It's all about a gambling junkie.

02:48:24.000 Adam Sandler plays it perfectly.

02:48:26.000 And the movie is all about these rushes that these people get from gambling, and it just takes over every aspect of their life. 0.99

02:48:34.000 Just like a fucking video game. 0.99

02:48:35.000 Just like anything else, man. 1.00

02:48:37.000 Things can take over your life.

02:48:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:48:40.000 That's it.

02:48:41.000 That's it.

02:48:41.000 So it's like learning that and where you've been taken over and then seeing if you can lessen your addiction to whatever the thing may be.

02:48:50.000 Yeah.

02:48:50.000 And not like...

02:48:52.000 Manage it.

02:48:53.000 Manage it.

02:48:54.000 Manage it.

02:48:54.000 First, just recognize it.

02:48:55.000 That's the first trick.

02:48:57.000 Recognize.

02:48:57.000 I don't mean addiction to booze or whatever.

02:48:59.000 I mean literally like...

02:49:00.000 You know like how there's a...

02:49:02.000 You know that thing, like someone's got a difficult personality.

02:49:08.000 Yes.

02:49:09.000 And they hurt people a lot. 0.98

02:49:10.000 But instead of recognizing, oh shit, I've got a difficult personality and I'm hurting people a lot, they're like, that's who I am! 0.99

02:49:19.000 I'm that person who does the crazy thing all the time! 0.99

02:49:23.000 That's just me!

02:49:24.000 It's like, don't be that person.

02:49:27.000 Recognize like you can't you should stop hurting people right like it's not and and I I speak as someone who like a lot would rationalize really bad Traits is like, you know, man, that's what I'm like.

02:49:42.000 And it's like, no, it doesn't have that.

02:49:44.000 I don't need to be that way. 0.99

02:49:45.000 I don't need to be like a shit talker, a gossip. 0.99

02:49:49.000 I don't need to be someone who's like always mad at some certain person. 0.98

02:49:53.000 I definitely don't need to be a person who like is passive aggressive or punishes people with anger.

02:49:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:49:59.000 I don't have to be that way.

02:50:00.000 Of course.

02:50:01.000 You know what I mean?

02:50:02.000 Like, I don't have to be that way. 1.00

02:50:04.000 All I have to do is start blowing dudes on fucking TV. It's funny, though, that you said that, because the vision stuck in my head. 0.99

02:50:13.000 It was weird.

02:50:13.000 But you know what I mean, man?

02:50:16.000 That, that's all we have control over, is like, look at your own crazy fucking tyrant being, right? 0.99

02:50:26.000 Like, look at your own monstrous thing that you've been pretending, that's just me, man. 0.99

02:50:32.000 That's what I'm like.

02:50:34.000 That's me.

02:50:35.000 And play around with the idea, maybe that's not you.

02:50:38.000 Maybe that's just something you're addicted to being, and you could actually...

02:50:44.000 Stop being that way.

02:50:45.000 And it's not easy.

02:50:47.000 I'm not saying it's easy.

02:50:47.000 Habits are really hard to break, man.

02:50:49.000 This is one of the real problems with psychedelics being outlawed.

02:50:52.000 Right.

02:50:53.000 Is that people aren't allowed to have these sort of transcendent moments in those psychedelic experiences.

02:50:59.000 Because some people truly can't handle it.

02:51:01.000 Some people it's not for them.

02:51:02.000 That's absolutely true.

02:51:03.000 I agree.

02:51:05.000 But for a lot of people it is. 0.97

02:51:06.000 And you can't say it doesn't benefit a lot of people when I know so many fucking people who have benefited from it, including me. 0.94

02:51:13.000 And to deny that to people, to keep that from people, I think is a real travesty. 0.89

02:51:19.000 It's a travesty in our cultural development, our development as a community.

02:51:24.000 It would help us develop as a community if people had some experience with regenerating their view of the world.

02:51:32.000 Yes!

02:51:33.000 That could be Available to everybody, but it's being withheld from you by people who haven't experienced it It makes no fucking sense The people that are trying to keep you from doing mushrooms for sure aren't doing mushrooms Because if they were they would realize that the thing to do would be to spread these to everybody and to give people the chance to recognize That maybe they're under the the hypnotism the maybe they're under the spell a certain frequency That's not the only way to live You can live in a different frequency.

02:52:03.000 You can establish a different frequency amongst the people you love.

02:52:06.000 You can establish a different frequency with yourself.

02:52:08.000 It's possible.

02:52:09.000 And to deny that from people just because you're afraid of it or because of propaganda, it's very anti-science.

02:52:18.000 Because there's a lot of science that points to it.

02:52:21.000 Helping people with all sorts of things.

02:52:23.000 End of life crises.

02:52:25.000 That's a giant one with people that have taken psilocybin.

02:52:28.000 It's allowed them to really relax and think about existence and look at it in a completely different way.

02:52:35.000 And I don't think that's available through just someone sitting next to you and asking you questions and having a counseling session.

02:52:42.000 I'm sure that's great.

02:52:43.000 I'm sure that that counseling of end of life is great.

02:52:45.000 You know what's better?

02:52:46.000 Five grams of mushrooms. 1.00

02:52:47.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:52:47.000 That's way better. 1.00

02:52:48.000 Yeah.

02:52:49.000 And it's not going to kill you.

02:52:50.000 It's not... 0.98

02:52:51.000 I mean, especially if we figure out a way to grow it legally where shit gets inspected, it's going to be good for you. 0.99

02:52:58.000 Dude, I bet five grams of mushrooms is more intense than death. 0.98

02:53:01.000 Like, whatever that experience is probably makes... 0.99

02:53:05.000 Like, when you're dying, when you're actually dying, you're like, fuck, man, this is, like, so much nicer than that time I took five grams of mushrooms. 0.98

02:53:12.000 Or maybe it's the same thing. 0.99

02:53:13.000 Maybe it's the same thing, but...

02:53:15.000 That's the DMT feeling, right?

02:53:17.000 Don't you get that feeling?

02:53:18.000 That's the next door.

02:53:19.000 Yeah.

02:53:19.000 That's like, you open up the door and you're like, oh, this is life.

02:53:23.000 Yes.

02:53:25.000 I think that's what's really going on here.

02:53:28.000 What happens is you get all constricted, you know, like when you're a kid and you tie a rubber band around your finger.

02:53:34.000 You've done that, except it's not your finger, it's some appendage connecting you to infinity.

02:53:40.000 And you've figured out a way via like your beliefs and habits to tie a tourniquet around that. 0.99

02:53:45.000 And it sucks. 0.77

02:53:46.000 Remember, it was cool when you were in school. 0.98

02:53:48.000 You'd watch your finger turn purple and you'd be like, whoa, look at that.

02:53:51.000 That's crazy.

02:53:52.000 Look how it's going blue. 1.00

02:53:53.000 It's like when you see a significant asshole. 1.00

02:53:58.000 That's really what you're looking at. 1.00

02:53:59.000 You're just looking at someone who's really tight in the fucking tourniquet between them and Infinity to the point where they're just like filling up with their own ego and like the shit of this world. 0.99

02:54:09.000 They get really puffed and mean and cruel and defensive and scared. 0.99

02:54:15.000 Because why wouldn't you be scared?

02:54:16.000 You think you're a balloon. 1.00

02:54:18.000 What's more vulnerable than a fucking balloon? 1.00

02:54:21.000 You know, your balloon looks like your body, but really it's just a balloon. 1.00

02:54:25.000 It's like a balloon that's definitely gonna run out of air eventually, but luckily you're more than the balloon. 1.00

02:54:31.000 But if you think you're just the fucking balloon, you're gonna freak the fuck out. 0.99

02:54:35.000 Like anyway, there's might be a way to psychedelics, meditation, whatever the fuck it is to sort of realize, oh no. 1.00

02:54:47.000 I'm much more than this little thing that is currently parading around with my name. 0.93

02:54:52.000 Much more than that.

02:54:53.000 And then you really calm down.

02:54:55.000 That's when you're really gonna calm down.

02:54:57.000 Because it's not quite the same anymore.

02:55:00.000 And then just that little bit of calming down, it's gonna make other people around you calm down.

02:55:04.000 I'm telling you, man, the conversation doesn't have to be around politics.

02:55:11.000 It should be eventually around politics, because that's what shapes laws and everything like that, but it needs to start with this fundamental truth, which is humans can suffer less.

02:55:23.000 You, as an individual, don't have to suffer as much as you're suffering.

02:55:27.000 There's ways for you to reduce your suffering in a real way that don't involve fentanyl, Doesn't involve opioids, doesn't involve the nitrous hit of power or winning at gambling.

02:55:38.000 There's an actual way that you can like...

02:55:42.000 Well, you know, one of the words for enlightenment and Buddhism translates to extinguish.

02:55:50.000 Blow out the candle.

02:55:52.000 So it's like permanently blow out the candle of your suffering.

02:55:57.000 There's a way to do it!

02:55:58.000 You can actually do it in this life.

02:56:00.000 That's exciting to me because it's not just a LARP. It's not LARPing.

02:56:04.000 Like all the mystics of the world and whatever religion they're in, they're not LARPing.

02:56:07.000 They're not playing a role-playing game.

02:56:10.000 They're actually, like many people, have figured out a way not to suffer as much.

02:56:15.000 And that's exciting to me, man. 0.98

02:56:16.000 That's fucking cool. 0.97

02:56:18.000 We as human beings can do that. 0.98

02:56:19.000 That transcends culture.

02:56:21.000 It transcends countries.

02:56:23.000 It transcends language.

02:56:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:56:27.000 It's like the way fish can swim.

02:56:30.000 We can reduce suffering in our own lives.

02:56:35.000 Animals can't do that.

02:56:36.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:56:37.000 A squirrel's gonna fucking squirrel. 1.00

02:56:39.000 A squirrel's gonna fucking squirrel. 1.00

02:56:41.000 Yeah, man! 1.00

02:56:42.000 A squirrel's gonna squirrel! 0.97

02:56:44.000 But a human, a human can like, doesn't have to be, act like a squirrel.

02:56:49.000 You know, some humans act like squirrels. 1.00

02:56:51.000 They're always hiding their fucking nuts. 1.00

02:56:56.000 You don't have to be like that. 1.00

02:56:58.000 That's exciting to me.

02:57:00.000 And that definitely has nothing to do with politics.

02:57:03.000 It's something that connects all of us. 1.00

02:57:05.000 Like, the most profound asshole you've ever met in your life. 1.00

02:57:10.000 Is suffering. 1.00

02:57:11.000 You could be certain of that.

02:57:12.000 Certain.

02:57:13.000 Certain that they are in hell. 1.00

02:57:15.000 They're in fucking hell. 1.00

02:57:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:57:17.000 That's why they're assholes. 1.00

02:57:19.000 That's why they're assholes. 1.00

02:57:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:57:20.000 When people are having a great time and life is beautiful, you want everyone around you to feel good. 1.00

02:57:25.000 It's the suffering.

02:57:27.000 And then the pattern that you were talking about earlier is really important.

02:57:30.000 That people get addicted to behaving that way because that's the pattern that they know.

02:57:35.000 That they've become accustomed to that.

02:57:37.000 It's the rollercoaster of life.

02:57:38.000 Yes.

02:57:39.000 Up and down.

02:57:40.000 Up and down.

02:57:41.000 Up and down.

02:57:43.000 And drinking and driving and gambling your fortune away.

02:57:47.000 It's all distractions.

02:57:49.000 It's all of it.

02:57:50.000 It's all just the great distraction.

02:57:52.000 Dude, I watched you.

02:57:54.000 Become increasingly stable is the wildest thing to watch like I watch you go through like a weird I don't know what but I just watch you go through all these fit not that when we met you're already pretty like Calm and cool, but not quite as calm and cool as you are now like you started like it was weird watching it happen like you found a way I still get upset sometimes unfortunately me too I always feel bad after I got upset But but I'm way more calm and way more rational about who I am now that I that I used to be and Yeah.

02:58:25.000 It's great.

02:58:26.000 And it radiates out.

02:58:28.000 That's the thing.

02:58:28.000 It's like, you know, it radiates out.

02:58:31.000 That's the main thing.

02:58:32.000 It's contagious.

02:58:33.000 It's like it's the one anti-virus that we actually have.

02:58:37.000 Being nice.

02:58:39.000 Yeah.

02:58:39.000 And having a bunch of people around you that feel good.

02:58:42.000 Everyone having a good time.

02:58:43.000 That's what real community is supposed to be about, right?

02:58:47.000 All of us together.

02:58:48.000 Everybody.

02:58:49.000 That's what it's supposed to be about.

02:58:50.000 That was the dream.

02:58:52.000 That was the idea.

02:58:53.000 But I think for everybody, it's like, and you too, like we all do work on ourselves, right?

02:58:57.000 So as you're getting older and experiences you have that are negative, you learn from them and positive, you enforce those and you just, you learn to get better at being you, you know?

02:59:07.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:59:08.000 And the thing about podcasts is you're forced to be you in front of the fucking world. 0.99

02:59:12.000 Oh God. 0.99

02:59:12.000 And you're on the marijuana. 0.99

02:59:18.000 Oh marijuana.

02:59:20.000 Oh yeah, and you forget you're on marijuana.

02:59:23.000 Yeah, you forget you're under the spell of an ancient plant that has manipulated creativity for thousands and thousands of years and is also illegal. 1.00

02:59:32.000 Which is the dumbest fucking thing on earth. 1.00

02:59:35.000 That's the dumbest one because it's legal in so many places now. 1.00

02:59:38.000 But it's still federally illegal. 0.98

02:59:39.000 You know how many people Biden released?

02:59:42.000 Pretty amazing, right?

02:59:43.000 When they said that he was going to release all the people that were in federal prison for marijuana possession.

02:59:49.000 How many people?

02:59:49.000 There's zero.

02:59:50.000 What?

02:59:50.000 Because there's no one in federal prison for marijuana possession.

02:59:53.000 They're all growers.

02:59:54.000 They're all dealers. 1.00

02:59:56.000 They're all people who are doing other shit and also marijuana possession. 1.00

02:59:59.000 I fell for it hook, line, and speaker. 0.99

03:00:01.000 I was so excited.

03:00:02.000 Me too.

03:00:03.000 I responded to it.

03:00:05.000 I posted an applause meme under his tweet.

03:00:08.000 Then it was effective propaganda. 0.99

03:00:10.000 God damn it, man. 0.99

03:00:11.000 I can't even imagine how many things I've been... 0.99

03:00:14.000 Here it is.

03:00:15.000 Last week, President Joe Biden announced the largest act of clemency in a generation, a mass pardon for people convicted of federal marijuana possession.

03:00:22.000 As far as bold acts of mass demency?

03:00:26.000 Clemency.

03:00:27.000 Go.

03:00:27.000 Duh.

03:00:28.000 It won't lead to many people getting out of prison.

03:00:30.000 In fact, it will lead to none.

03:00:33.000 Zero people.

03:00:34.000 But, okay, let me just say this.

03:00:36.000 Let me speak in defense of it.

03:00:38.000 Here's the thing.

03:00:39.000 No, I don't mean, I'm saying like, I'm thinking of my friends who are like marijuana activists.

03:00:45.000 I know you have them too.

03:00:46.000 Yes.

03:00:46.000 Or even psychedelic advocates.

03:00:48.000 When Schick just gets on the ballot, they celebrate.

03:00:51.000 Because they're like, okay, we got it on the ballot.

03:00:54.000 Right.

03:00:54.000 So I think there is something that's exciting, even though that's sad what you told me earlier and just showed.

03:01:01.000 There's something really fucking cool... 0.98

03:01:03.000 That the president has finally at least admitted that, like, this bullshit, people are going to jail for possession of marijuana. 0.99

03:01:12.000 Now, obviously, there is political reasons for that, and there's all kinds of other dark stuff wrapped up in it, but long-term, good sign. 0.99

03:01:19.000 Long-term, good sign.

03:01:21.000 Right, we just want progress quicker.

03:01:22.000 We want progress, and we want it quicker, but that's progress.

03:01:26.000 And a lot of people, a lot of people...

03:01:30.000 Dedicated their lives to getting just that far with it, you know?

03:01:33.000 So I think there's something to be said for it.

03:01:35.000 I get it, man.

03:01:37.000 Nothing happens.

03:01:38.000 It influences the cultural narrative.

03:01:40.000 It influences the cultural narrative, and it could potentially cause, like, a shift in views around, like, marijuana consumption long term. 0.98

03:01:49.000 But, you know, yeah, it's dark that no one's actually getting out, that it was just a fucking... 0.99

03:01:55.000 It's a ruse. 0.99

03:01:56.000 A ruse that I fell for, Joe!

03:01:58.000 I fell for...

03:01:58.000 So many ruses.

03:02:00.000 And Twitter will now fact check those ruses.

03:02:02.000 Which is hilarious. 0.94

03:02:03.000 Which is fucking important. 0.96

03:02:05.000 The people that don't want that, come on kids. 0.98

03:02:07.000 You've been wanting fact checks for so long.

03:02:09.000 Every time someone brings up the, you know, whether it's the election theft or this or that.

03:02:15.000 Everybody, come on.

03:02:17.000 Fact checks are probably good if the president's not telling the truth.

03:02:22.000 And it's really easy to find the real data.

03:02:24.000 Probably that's good, kids.

03:02:26.000 Listen, I'm fine with Universal, non-biased fact-checking.

03:02:33.000 In fact, I would like that for myself.

03:02:36.000 I want to know what I'm saying.

03:02:38.000 I would love it. 1.00

03:02:40.000 Imagine if you could scan yourself for how much of your ideas of what's real is bullshit. 0.99

03:02:47.000 That would be a scary scan, and it would probably hurt when you're like, oh god, I'm 100%. 1.00

03:02:53.000 It's all bullshit, or 99%. 0.98

03:02:57.000 Long term, that would be a really good thing for you. 0.99

03:03:00.000 Like, I'm for, I don't have anything against, like, this is probably not real, because it helps me as someone who gets sucked into everything.

03:03:10.000 Like, I go on Reddit conspiracy, and it's like...

03:03:14.000 You know what I mean?

03:03:15.000 I'll go to bed being like, maybe there are deep underground military bunkers all across the United States.

03:03:20.000 Phyllis has got a weird predatory alien that lives in pits that the janitors fall into. 0.99

03:03:27.000 I'll wake up being like, I don't really believe that, but I'm just saying.

03:03:30.000 I did recently.

03:03:31.000 I went down a rabbit hole.

03:03:34.000 Deep underground military bonkers?

03:03:35.000 No, it wasn't a military one. 0.98

03:03:36.000 It was a pedophile ring one.

03:03:39.000 Pizzagate? 0.99

03:03:40.000 It was one of those pedophiles.

03:03:41.000 Not necessarily that one, but a prominent one.

03:03:46.000 We'll talk later.

03:03:48.000 Dude, that one freaked me out.

03:03:49.000 Those freaked me out. 1.00

03:03:50.000 Holy fucking shit, man. 1.00

03:03:52.000 They freaked me out because there's so much in those emails and things that were trans... 1.00

03:03:56.000 Listen, anyone who is a fan of drugs knows what it's like when you send your shitty coded texts to your friends about drugs. 0.98

03:04:06.000 Let me be real clear. 0.98

03:04:08.000 I'm not saying Pizzagate's real.

03:04:10.000 Nor am I! And I'm absolutely not saying there's a fucking dungeon in that pizza place that crazy dude went and shot up. 0.99

03:04:16.000 And I'm not saying the Clintons are responsible for any murders. 0.99

03:04:19.000 What else are we not saying?

03:04:21.000 We're just saying that that is one of...

03:04:24.000 There was another case that happened in, like, the 1980s or something.

03:04:28.000 There's been a few of those weird cases where, like, you gotta think that throughout history there have been people that have trafficked children.

03:04:40.000 Oh my god, when you take any long trip, you ever think about that?

03:04:45.000 Yeah, you gotta be careful. 0.94

03:04:46.000 Any long trip that you take, how many fucking U-Hauls going by, have people locked up in them? 0.92

03:04:50.000 Probably like statistically one or two. 0.99

03:04:52.000 Probably like you've been at a rest stop next to a fucking U-Haul that was filled with drugged people waiting to get taken to some God knows where lab. 0.95

03:05:02.000 I mean, don't they say human trafficking is like one of the number one industries, right? 0.98

03:05:07.000 In the world?

03:05:08.000 Human trafficking is real and it's happening right now.

03:05:10.000 And there's been studies on it where they try to figure out what the numbers are, but how do you know who's been trafficked if they're missing?

03:05:21.000 I wonder what the actual number is, but apparently it's a terrifying number.

03:05:26.000 And that's happening right now.

03:05:29.000 People are snatching people.

03:05:30.000 There's more slaves today than there were when slavery was legal.

03:05:35.000 That's not true.

03:05:36.000 Yes.

03:05:36.000 There's more slaves in the world today than there were when slavery was legal in America.

03:05:44.000 Obviously, there's more people. 0.99

03:05:45.000 Fucking creepy. 0.99

03:05:47.000 Obviously, there's more people. 0.99

03:05:47.000 But this idea that slavery went away when they abolished slavery in 1865, that's not really true. 0.99

03:05:52.000 It's only true here. 0.99

03:05:53.000 Jesus fucking Christ, Joe. 0.99

03:05:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:05:56.000 Man, I've got like 10 more minutes.

03:05:58.000 I've got to go do Halloween with my kids.

03:06:00.000 I don't want to end on human trafficking.

03:06:02.000 But it's kind of a part of what we're talking about. 0.98

03:06:08.000 That it could be possibly in their fucking wheelhouse to do that to another person. 0.99

03:06:13.000 Right. 1.00

03:06:14.000 Right.

03:06:15.000 There's people that are that predatory out there. 1.00

03:06:18.000 That are that fucked up. 1.00

03:06:19.000 That are that fucked up. 1.00

03:06:20.000 That there's levels to fucked up, just like there's levels to everything. 1.00

03:06:25.000 Look, man, I mean, oh God, it's just, we, especially people like us, look, I've said it before on this podcast, I'm quoting Jack Kornfield here, tend to the part of the garden you can touch. 0.96

03:06:38.000 That's what you can do.

03:06:40.000 That's the most effective thing you can do.

03:06:41.000 That's it. 0.99

03:06:42.000 As far as the other stuff goes, it's like, if you can help, If you're a human trafficker right now listening to this, driving your fucking U-Haul across the country filled with freight that you're gonna make, stop! 0.99

03:06:55.000 Pull over! 0.99

03:06:56.000 Let him out! 1.00

03:06:57.000 Just stop! 0.89

03:06:58.000 Obviously no one's gonna do that, but most people it's like, you're not having to deal with that. 0.95

03:07:03.000 You're really just having to deal with the fact that when you wake up in a bad mood, you think it makes sense for the rest of the day to be a dick to other people. 0.93

03:07:10.000 Just because you feel like you're in a bad mood. 0.96

03:07:13.000 You don't have to do that! 0.99

03:07:14.000 It sounds so dumb, so dumb, so obvious, but really that is kind of the... 0.99

03:07:19.000 I heard the Dalai Lama say it. 1.00

03:07:22.000 Do...

03:07:24.000 This is what he said.

03:07:25.000 If you can help, help.

03:07:27.000 If you can't help, don't hurt.

03:07:30.000 That's the EMC squared of it all.

03:07:32.000 It's like, that's it.

03:07:33.000 That's what it all boils down to. 0.87

03:07:34.000 Look, maybe you're not in a position right now where you can help anybody, but for sure you don't have to say the shitty thing you're about to say to somebody because you're mad.

03:07:45.000 That you could stop.

03:07:46.000 Like, you could stop that.

03:07:47.000 And that's a big deal, man.

03:07:48.000 Like, if you're someone who's been, like, saying mean things to people your whole life, woo!

03:07:53.000 You know, they say, and I read this thing, in a yogi's life, for a yogi, the greatest moment is when they were going to react with anger, and they didn't.

03:08:05.000 That's a huge moment, man.

03:08:08.000 That's a huge moment when you... 0.97

03:08:11.000 Manage to like rein in that fucking thing just once is a big deal, but you know if you keep doing it That's when you start multi traveling through the multiverse because everything around you gets completely different quick You know just that one little thing I speak is like a someone who's had real anger shit and like as do I yeah, 0.94

03:08:32.000 yeah It's a it's a thing, you know that I constantly struggle with You get upset about things and you have to keep them under control. 0.97

03:08:41.000 And it's hard to have a balanced perspective. 0.99

03:08:46.000 You know, it's it's hard when someone cuts you off in traffic to just let it go and not say fuck you Yeah, it's like he can't even hear you and you're still like fuck you man That was such a douche move. 1.00

03:08:58.000 Yeah, but you're not gonna change him. 0.99

03:09:00.000 No like that That's who he is at this moment and he's cutting people off on the highway And you just got to adjust and adapt and don't get into one of those fucking things or people break check each other and get in front of each other It's so scary man You ever see people doing that on the highway and you're like, oh my god, 0.79

03:09:15.000 what are you doing? 0.99

03:09:16.000 Don't fucking do that. 1.00

03:09:18.000 It's so sad. 1.00

03:09:19.000 Don't do it.

03:09:19.000 It's so scary.

03:09:20.000 Like, you kill a bunch of people. 0.99

03:09:22.000 Oh my god.

03:09:23.000 I've seen so many videos of people doing that, swerving into another lane, and then the cars flip onto other cars. 1.00

03:09:28.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

03:09:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:09:30.000 There was a fucking one in Florida recently where these guys started doing that to each other and they shot each other. 0.99

03:09:34.000 They shot each other's daughters. 1.00

03:09:37.000 Dude. 1.00

03:09:37.000 They just like randomly shot into the car and there was a fucking passenger that was a young girl in both cars. 1.00

03:09:42.000 Did they kill him? 0.99

03:09:43.000 No, I think they both live, but one of them is hit real bad and she was in critical condition with a collapsed lung.

03:09:49.000 See, that's it.

03:09:50.000 It's crazy, dude.

03:09:52.000 That's it.

03:09:52.000 So see what happened there?

03:09:54.000 What happened is those people, because they didn't get a hold of the fucking dragon, Because of it, most of the time they got away with it. 0.97

03:10:03.000 Those, obviously, whoever those people are, that's not the first time they got angry. 0.99

03:10:06.000 They're rageaholics. 0.80

03:10:07.000 They're always mad.

03:10:08.000 They were getting mad all the time.

03:10:09.000 All the signs were there.

03:10:11.000 And nobody likes it. 0.93

03:10:12.000 Like, you know, whenever I've been caught up in that, it's fucking scary. 0.98

03:10:16.000 It's like dying. 0.97

03:10:17.000 Like, you become something else for a second.

03:10:20.000 You become an animal.

03:10:21.000 And you know why it happens on the highway?

03:10:23.000 Why?

03:10:24.000 Because people are so ramped up because it's dangerous.

03:10:26.000 Oh, right.

03:10:27.000 So you're going so fast, you have to have your senses on high.

03:10:29.000 And then any little thing that comes along, you're already at a seven.

03:10:33.000 Right!

03:10:33.000 That's what it is, man.

03:10:34.000 That's what it is.

03:10:35.000 That's what it is. 1.00

03:10:36.000 Motherfucker! 1.00

03:10:37.000 Yeah, because you're already ramped up. 1.00

03:10:39.000 Because even though you're being calm, you're driving, you're on alert.

03:10:43.000 So when you're on alert, it's a predatory thing.

03:10:45.000 It's a thing that's wired into our DNA. If you're on alert, you're worried about something that's going to attack you.

03:10:52.000 You're worried about something coming out.

03:10:53.000 You're ready, right?

03:10:55.000 That's it. 0.99

03:10:56.000 Yeah, so we're not designed to drive fucking cars 65 miles an hour next to other cars. 0.98

03:11:01.000 And everyone's just choosing when they change lanes. 1.00

03:11:04.000 The amount of freedom you have when you're behind a wheel to be an asshole is extraordinary. 1.00

03:11:09.000 Dude. 1.00

03:11:10.000 You got it. 0.99

03:11:10.000 And this is what the fucking internet is doing. 0.99

03:11:13.000 It's making us all feel like we're driving on the fucking highway all day long. 0.99

03:11:17.000 Yes, exactly. 0.99

03:11:18.000 That's what it is.

03:11:19.000 That's what it is.

03:11:19.000 We're ramped up in late all day long.

03:11:22.000 We're not even on the highway.

03:11:23.000 We're walking around our backyard. 0.97

03:11:25.000 We're like all fucking contorted. 0.98

03:11:27.000 Cutting each other off. 1.00

03:11:29.000 Yeah, just fucking piss. 1.00

03:11:30.000 Cutting trees off. 1.00

03:11:31.000 You're just like...

03:11:34.000 We're all wrapped up when things are just fine most of the time.

03:11:41.000 Most of the time.

03:11:43.000 Yeah, most of the time, in the moment, right now, right now, no problem.

03:11:49.000 In the moment, most of the time, no problem.

03:11:53.000 Everything's fine.

03:11:54.000 Something's looming, for sure.

03:11:55.000 Problems will come.

03:11:57.000 But in this moment, everything's okay.

03:12:00.000 That's interesting, right?

03:12:02.000 Because you realize, like, oh my god, then why do I feel so scared?

03:12:06.000 Why do I feel so stressed out?

03:12:09.000 When right now, in this moment, pretty good.

03:12:14.000 In this moment, pretty good.

03:12:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:12:18.000 It's a strange thing, the management of the mind as you move through life and also the management of all the other shit around you. 0.76

03:12:26.000 What you consume, how much you freak out about Ukraine, how much you freak out about dirty bombs, how much you freak out about fentanyl, how much you freak out about everything, how much you freak out about every fucking social issue that ever comes up, whether it's the environment or... 0.93

03:12:41.000 You know, pronouns. 0.99

03:12:43.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

03:12:44.000 There's just a constant stream of shit that we're not used to, just like we're not used to driving fast on the highway. 1.00

03:12:50.000 Tame your mind. 0.99

03:12:52.000 Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva says, the mind is like a wild elephant.

03:12:59.000 Think about that, dude.

03:13:01.000 That's a crazy thing.

03:13:04.000 You ever see a wild elephant like charging somebody?

03:13:07.000 That's your mind.

03:13:09.000 But what's cool about that is that that's a powerful thing.

03:13:13.000 It is a powerful thing and being able to have more control over it is a great feeling because it makes you feel like you can do a lot of different stuff on top of that.

03:13:24.000 If you can, like, as I've matured and gotten better at managing my own brain, I've also become much more productive.

03:13:30.000 Right. 0.98

03:13:31.000 Because I don't have as much bullshit to weigh me down, you know? 0.99

03:13:35.000 And I think that if you're running through life making the same mistakes over and over again, whenever I'm doing that, that's when I'm the most unproductive. 0.99

03:13:44.000 Absolutely.

03:13:45.000 Because I'm just like, what am I doing? 0.96

03:13:46.000 What the fuck am I doing with my life? 0.97

03:13:48.000 Why do I keep screwing up? 0.99

03:13:49.000 You're always doing cleanup.

03:13:50.000 Yeah, you're always doing cleanup. 1.00

03:13:51.000 You're like someone who's like a cleanup crew for your own fucking destruction. 0.99

03:13:56.000 You're always following your past around, past decisions around, cleaning up broken glass and old fucking bits of concrete from the last crater you put in your life. 1.00

03:14:09.000 It's like... 0.99

03:14:10.000 Man, it's exhausting.

03:14:11.000 It's exhausting.

03:14:12.000 A lot of work.

03:14:13.000 It's a lot of work.

03:14:14.000 And that's, you know, again, we go back to the human mind doesn't come with a operator manual.

03:14:21.000 It's one of the most complex things that anybody could ever use.

03:14:23.000 And it doesn't come with directions.

03:14:25.000 And you learn from the people that are around you. 1.00

03:14:27.000 And it's hard to unlearn shit that's stupid. 0.99

03:14:30.000 But I think as chaotic as this time is, it's the most promising because it's the most interesting in terms of the way ideas get assaulted and reworked and thought up and debated. 0.99

03:14:44.000 And even though there's suppression of information, there's definitely suppression of free speech in certain platforms, there's still more exchange of thoughts In a tumultuous way where people just want it to end.

03:14:57.000 They want one side to be right, the other side...

03:14:59.000 Our side's right. 1.00

03:15:00.000 Fuck you. 1.00

03:15:01.000 Fuck you about fentanyl. 1.00

03:15:02.000 Fuck you about the border. 1.00

03:15:03.000 Fuck you about it. 1.00

03:15:04.000 You're on the wrong side of history. 1.00

03:15:05.000 Fucking Roe v. 1.00

03:15:06.000 Wade. 1.00

03:15:07.000 Everybody's just nuts with it, man. 1.00

03:15:09.000 Just fucking nuts with it. 1.00

03:15:13.000 And that's what we see around us all the time. 1.00

03:15:15.000 And we imitate our atmosphere.

03:15:17.000 That's it.

03:15:18.000 That's what we do.

03:15:18.000 And the atmosphere imitates us.

03:15:20.000 And the atmosphere.

03:15:21.000 And we are the atmosphere.

03:15:21.000 It's reflective.

03:15:23.000 We are the climate.

03:15:24.000 That's it, dude.

03:15:25.000 It's the climate.

03:15:26.000 Yeah.

03:15:27.000 Yeah.

03:15:27.000 And you could be, like, truly, it's like, you know what, the one thing that I don't think anyone's going to get mad at you for, on any side of the political spectrum, is if you stop hurting people.

03:15:39.000 Like, truly, that is, like, that's it.

03:15:44.000 It's just a little less aggression.

03:15:46.000 You can even still hurt people, just hurt them less.

03:15:50.000 Stop hurting people.

03:15:51.000 Just hurt them less.

03:15:52.000 You can do that.

03:15:53.000 You know, even if that person is yourself.

03:15:56.000 Again, I'm sorry, y'all.

03:15:57.000 Even if that person is yourself.

03:15:58.000 I turn this on myself.

03:16:00.000 I'm talking to myself right now.

03:16:01.000 All y'all are, I'm sure, a million times more stable and calm than I am.

03:16:06.000 But, Joe, I gotta go.

03:16:07.000 I gotta go trick-or-treating with the kiddies. 1.00

03:16:08.000 Duncan, you're the fucking man. 1.00

03:16:09.000 You're the man! 1.00

03:16:09.000 I love you to death. 1.00

03:16:10.000 I love you.

03:16:11.000 I always love doing these.

03:16:12.000 I got a lot out of this one.

03:16:13.000 This was a good one.

03:16:13.000 Me too, Joe.

03:16:13.000 I enjoyed it very much.

03:16:15.000 Thank you.

03:16:15.000 Thanks for having me on, man.

03:16:16.000 Happy Halloween.

03:16:17.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 01, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1891 - Duncan Trussell

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