The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1894 - Suzanne Santo

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00:00:13.000 Suzanne, what's happening?

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:00:15.000 Oh, it's good to see you.

00:00:16.000 You look lovely.

00:00:18.000 You look invigorated.

00:00:20.000 Thank you.

00:00:20.000 Well, I went to the gym and, you know, been eating well.

00:00:25.000 I don't know.

00:00:26.000 Nice.

00:00:26.000 Trying to take care of the vessel.

00:00:28.000 Yesterday was my first day that I didn't work out for a whole month because we did that sober October thing.

00:00:32.000 Worked out every day of the week.

00:00:34.000 So do you, is that not your usual, your norm?

00:00:36.000 Not usually, but I kind of did it in September to get ready for October to just like get my body conditioned to this idea that we're going at it every day.

00:00:46.000 Do you guys have like a contest of like who burns the most calories or something?

00:00:51.000 We didn't. 1.00

00:00:51.000 We can't have a contest because we just get too stupid. 1.00

00:00:54.000 Bert drives me crazy and then I go psycho. 1.00

00:00:57.000 Okay.

00:00:58.000 So we've decided no more contests.

00:01:00.000 Because we did a contest that one year and we went insane.

00:01:02.000 I was doing cardio like seven hours a day.

00:01:04.000 Oh my god.

00:01:05.000 Yeah.

00:01:05.000 Because it was a contest.

00:01:07.000 How did you do...

00:01:08.000 And you did a podcast and you have a family?

00:01:10.000 Yeah.

00:01:11.000 I just get up in the morning and bang out seven hours of cardio.

00:01:14.000 What time do you get up?

00:01:16.000 Then I was getting up at like 7. So 7 and I was just going straight.

00:01:21.000 I just have some caffeine and go straight to the gym.

00:01:24.000 That's impressive.

00:01:26.000 But I was just, it was psychotic.

00:01:28.000 We were just in competition with each other.

00:01:31.000 It was totally unsustainable.

00:01:33.000 I don't have that edge of like, I mean I can power through some stuff.

00:01:37.000 Like I was actually working on it for a little bit and I liked it.

00:01:41.000 But after like the two-hour workout and then like we didn't stretch, you know?

00:01:49.000 And then I'd like go home and stretch and I was like, I just didn't have that much time in my day to dedicate to it.

00:01:54.000 But like it's impressive that you can just power through your discomfort.

00:02:00.000 If like if you don't want to go, you still go.

00:02:02.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 I'm not good at that.

00:02:04.000 No.

00:02:05.000 That's the key.

00:02:07.000 The key is to, like, not have a way out.

00:02:09.000 And one of the things about this contest thing, or, well, this Sober October thing wasn't a contest, but we had to do a 500-calorie workout every day. 0.96

00:02:17.000 That's fucking great.

00:02:17.000 So you had to burn 500 calories, which is, if you do sprints on the Airdyne machine, it takes about 45 minutes to hit 500 calories.

00:02:25.000 Oh, okay.

00:02:26.000 So it's 45 minutes of 20-second sprints, 10-second rest.

00:02:30.000 20-second sprint, 10-second rest.

00:02:32.000 Jesus.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 Or you could lift weights, which is way easier, but that's more like an hour and a half-ish.

00:02:38.000 That's my favorite mode.

00:02:41.000 Lifting weights?

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:42.000 Yeah, and it's the best results for me, too.

00:02:44.000 Like, I hate running, but if something happens in my life and I'm, like, enraged, I'll just run five miles without even blinking.

00:02:52.000 I will just, like, blackout run because I'm so mad.

00:02:57.000 Well, running is like one of the best things to alleviate anxiety.

00:03:00.000 Yeah, yeah, okay.

00:03:01.000 I can see that.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, you just get that.

00:03:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:04.000 Because if you really push really hard, it sort of rings out all the shit in your body. 1.00

00:03:08.000 It's all the fucking tension. 1.00

00:03:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:10.000 Like a washcloth just rings it out. 0.99

00:03:12.000 Did we ever talk about Dr. John Sarno's healing back pain?

00:03:17.000 Yeah.

00:03:18.000 Some of it is very applicable and some of it is like, alright, I could probably also have a back problem.

00:03:26.000 Yeah.

00:03:27.000 I think both of those things are true.

00:03:28.000 I heard people talking about it in a very factual way.

00:03:32.000 Like, your back pain is all mental.

00:03:34.000 No.

00:03:35.000 Some people have bulging discs and they push against their nerves and they have real problems.

00:03:40.000 Sure, sure, sure. 0.95

00:03:40.000 And then some people do have some weird sort of psychological thing where they're tensed up and their back is fucked up and it's all in their mind. 0.95

00:03:48.000 Well, I've definitely had in the middle of an argument with a family member, all of a sudden my neck just starts locking down my shoulder blade.

00:03:56.000 It's like a specific area with a specific familial...

00:04:01.000 Wound.

00:04:01.000 Isn't it funny how if you look back on those moments, though, like how trivial they really all are?

00:04:08.000 Oh, sure. 0.98

00:04:08.000 Those things that fuck you up and get you tense and get you mad. 0.98

00:04:11.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:04:12.000 Like in the overall scheme of things.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 Are you in the contemplate your death once a day and then everything, the whole landscape of your worries changes?

00:04:22.000 I don't do a lot of that.

00:04:24.000 Yeah.

00:04:26.000 I do that sometimes.

00:04:27.000 Contemplate your death?

00:04:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 And I'm like, oh, none of this shit matters then. 0.99

00:04:31.000 I mean, really. 0.99

00:04:32.000 Definitely most of it doesn't matter.

00:04:35.000 It's just in the moment, it seems like it matters because it's the most pressing thing that's on your mind currently.

00:04:40.000 And, you know, especially if you don't have power over what's happening or something's going on that's beyond your control.

00:04:46.000 It's overwhelming sometimes.

00:04:48.000 So it becomes your primary focus.

00:04:51.000 Mm-hmm.

00:04:52.000 I got really good at stuff like that.

00:04:54.000 Well, not really good.

00:04:55.000 I don't want to toot my own horn.

00:04:57.000 But my husband, he's a tough guy.

00:05:02.000 Because he's had to be.

00:05:04.000 And he has taught me so much about boundaries, which have been lacking for most of my life.

00:05:13.000 And setting boundaries for other people?

00:05:14.000 And for myself as well.

00:05:16.000 But having this somewhat of a doormat kind of life, me being the doormat, because I love everybody so much.

00:05:25.000 So I get myself into trouble with wanting to help, I guess.

00:05:33.000 And then getting in this washing machine of dysfunction with my family or not the right kind of friend.

00:05:41.000 And I started getting good at saying, hey, this is where I'm drawing a line.

00:05:46.000 I love you, but this is the line.

00:05:49.000 And my worries have changed in my dedication to that, which was really hard.

00:05:56.000 Because I don't want to let people down.

00:05:59.000 How many people are you having to let down?

00:06:02.000 Quite a few.

00:06:03.000 Yeah?

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:04.000 Well, you're very nice.

00:06:05.000 That's probably part of the problem.

00:06:07.000 If you're very nice, one of the things that happens is people use you as their solution.

00:06:12.000 Correct.

00:06:13.000 Yeah.

00:06:13.000 Which is not fun.

00:06:14.000 And I want to help because I know a lot of stuff and I want to share it and then they get mad at you still.

00:06:19.000 Like you kind of become like this...

00:06:21.000 Mother figure thing.

00:06:23.000 But I'm learning about myself too and what that means for me and my ego.

00:06:29.000 It's very humbling.

00:06:31.000 But I kind of got like a pit bull for a husband who helps defend me against those poor choices.

00:06:40.000 Well, that's good, though.

00:06:41.000 It's nice.

00:06:41.000 You've got someone looking out for you.

00:06:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:44.000 That's important in life.

00:06:45.000 You know, sometimes you see the way people live their life and you're like, oh, I've got to get more of that in me.

00:06:51.000 Like, how do I do more of that?

00:06:52.000 And, like, if you live with the person, it's like, if it's your husband, it's easier to model.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 It's like, yeah, he does it.

00:06:57.000 I'm going to fucking do that to him. 0.99

00:06:58.000 Like, he's right. 0.99

00:06:59.000 Look at him.

00:06:59.000 There you go.

00:06:59.000 Yeah.

00:07:00.000 And then it's like...

00:07:00.000 Well, we balance each other out in that way.

00:07:02.000 Like, I soften him up a little bit, and he toughens me up.

00:07:05.000 And it's nice.

00:07:06.000 That's good.

00:07:07.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 That's the yin and yang of life, right?

00:07:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:11.000 Oh, I love it.

00:07:12.000 It's nice.

00:07:12.000 It's nice when it works out.

00:07:14.000 It sucks when people are too yins or too yangs, and they accentuate each other's mental illness. 0.99

00:07:20.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:07:22.000 Fucking A. That's a lot of relationships, right? 0.99

00:07:24.000 It really is.

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 Every day is, like, the dedication is balanced.

00:07:29.000 Like, is, you know, whether we're up against our own discord or the world, you know, like, you could pick up your phone, right?

00:07:38.000 And just be, like, set off in seconds.

00:07:41.000 Yep.

00:07:42.000 Into some labyrinth of someone else's thoughts or agenda.

00:07:45.000 Easily.

00:07:46.000 And I'm just so over it.

00:07:48.000 I'm so over it.

00:07:49.000 And then you have to come to the realization that some people never fix any problems.

00:07:53.000 They just have new ones.

00:07:55.000 Absolutely.

00:07:56.000 And those people that's like, this is like a fundamental error in the way they approach life.

00:08:01.000 And your help is not going to fix that.

00:08:03.000 I think that's the same people that are still obsessed with COVID. They moved it to something else.

00:08:08.000 And then they moved it to COVID, which was like this undeniable wet blanket of escapism.

00:08:15.000 Because you could get, everybody can get, you could all get mad.

00:08:18.000 And then blame it on other people.

00:08:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:22.000 Fucking over that too. 0.99

00:08:24.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:08:24.000 I'm so over it. 0.98

00:08:25.000 Yeah, it's interesting seeing even people that were like hardcore vaccine advocates that are now saying if they had known that it didn't stop transmission, it didn't stop infection, and it only lasted X amount of months, they wouldn't have done it.

00:08:41.000 Sure. 0.94

00:08:42.000 They really weren't at the same risk level that they thought they were at when all that shit was being forced on people. 0.99

00:08:48.000 Now the CDC's recommending it for kids. 0.99

00:08:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:08:52.000 Oh, it's so stupid. 1.00

00:08:53.000 Putting it as far as, like, the kid's vaccine schedule. 1.00

00:08:56.000 Right, right, right.

00:08:56.000 Well, that's because that's that liability thing.

00:08:59.000 Do you know about that?

00:09:01.000 Like, the reason that they got that approval is so it, like, covers their asses for some long game liability if there's side effects to it.

00:09:13.000 I'm kind of butchering that.

00:09:15.000 But there's some legalized upside to them making it a recommended vaccine for children, along with polio or tetanus. 0.99

00:09:26.000 It's really fucked up. 0.97

00:09:29.000 Where was I listening to that? 0.99

00:09:30.000 I think it was No Agenda.

00:09:33.000 Yeah.

00:09:33.000 Sounds like No Agenda.

00:09:35.000 But I just butchered it, so sorry guys.

00:09:39.000 Adam's the man.

00:09:40.000 Yeah.

00:09:41.000 They're both great.

00:09:42.000 Yeah.

00:09:43.000 I love that dude.

00:09:45.000 It's, but yeah, that, it's probably part of it.

00:09:48.000 There's probably some sort of legal reason why they're doing it.

00:09:51.000 Well, I'm just kind of, I think it's interesting, you know, now that there's this like, you know, amnesty thing with COVID, like trying to just be like, let's just all say we're sorry. 0.69

00:10:01.000 And, you know, like people had to watch their dying loved ones pass on their iPhones and shit.

00:10:10.000 And like, I'm not, I'm not, like, I don't know. 0.96

00:10:14.000 I was already over it.

00:10:16.000 Like, my industry, like, I'm not vaccinated.

00:10:18.000 So I got, you know, I lost tours.

00:10:21.000 I had, like, a good deal of momentum that was taken out of my last record, which really sucked.

00:10:27.000 But I'm really glad I made the choice I did.

00:10:30.000 And, you know, nobody's, nobody's, like...

00:10:35.000 Nobody's, like, knocking on my door to apologize or anything.

00:10:37.000 Not that I need it.

00:10:38.000 Well, it was just a weird time.

00:10:40.000 You know, there's so many people that had such a high level of anxiety already.

00:10:45.000 And then COVID came along, and that was just overwhelming for them to deal with this existential threat that you can't control that's everywhere and it's invisible.

00:10:55.000 I mean, they had all the elements that you needed to really freak people out that were already frayed.

00:11:00.000 And some people just aren't that resilient.

00:11:03.000 No, they're not.

00:11:04.000 You really can see that now.

00:11:06.000 I feel like I lost a lot of good guys out there.

00:11:08.000 Not really.

00:11:09.000 I don't think you did.

00:11:11.000 The people that you lost from that, it's like, you know, come on.

00:11:16.000 Well, you know, at this point, I'm amazed at the, like, snowball of, you know, fear and the way people were so easily controlled.

00:11:29.000 And then you throw in your, like, freedom of speech.

00:11:32.000 And now you can't say it.

00:11:33.000 You can't talk about it.

00:11:34.000 You can't talk about this, this or this without people going nuclear on you and, like, getting a whole gang of Maniacs who disagree.

00:11:46.000 It's like, why can't you just disagree?

00:11:47.000 You know?

00:11:48.000 Like, it's pretty...

00:11:52.000 Yeah, it's pretty Orwellian.

00:11:56.000 I've been reading a lot of Greek mythology lately, and it's just like a Greek tragedy.

00:12:02.000 The madness of the gods.

00:12:05.000 And then COVID kind of became this god that made people nuts.

00:12:12.000 This invisible force.

00:12:15.000 Like a curse.

00:12:15.000 Yeah.

00:12:16.000 That created a cult following.

00:12:20.000 It also exposed a serious problem that people have with their own personal health.

00:12:25.000 So many people just don't take care of themselves.

00:12:27.000 And those are the people that were the most stressed out because they had the most to lose.

00:12:30.000 They were the most at fear.

00:12:31.000 Sure. 0.65

00:12:32.000 Because they've been spending so much time eating shitty food and living a sedentary lifestyle with a very vulnerable immune system.

00:12:39.000 So something came along like this and they wanted everyone to protect them.

00:12:43.000 Right.

00:12:43.000 You know, and that's part of what it was.

00:12:45.000 It's like, you're gonna get me fucked up! 0.99

00:12:47.000 You know, it's like that was the threat. 1.00

00:12:49.000 People were like, wear your fucking mask! 1.00

00:12:50.000 Like, all that shit. 1.00

00:12:52.000 It's really strange. 1.00

00:12:54.000 Like, yeah, people I've known for years and years and years, like, lost their fucking minds. 1.00

00:12:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:59.000 It's good. 1.00

00:13:01.000 It's good.

00:13:02.000 It is.

00:13:03.000 Suffering?

00:13:03.000 It's good to know who can keep it together.

00:13:06.000 Right, right, right.

00:13:07.000 It's good.

00:13:08.000 I appreciate those moments of clarity.

00:13:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:11.000 Because, you know, and it's also good to see people lose their fucking minds and then regain them. 0.99

00:13:16.000 And go, yeah, you know, I was a little out of line there. 0.99

00:13:19.000 Sure.

00:13:19.000 And just realize that they got caught up in it.

00:13:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:21.000 Well, good.

00:13:21.000 Be accountable.

00:13:22.000 That's great.

00:13:23.000 I'm a big fan of that.

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 You know, that's the way through.

00:13:26.000 The other stuff I cannot hang with.

00:13:28.000 I just wish people would like recognize like in mass that this is a real issue with personal health and you should take care of yourself.

00:13:37.000 You should exercise regularly.

00:13:39.000 You should take vitamins.

00:13:41.000 You should eat well.

00:13:42.000 Eat good food.

00:13:44.000 Well there's a whole you know there's a whole agenda you know anti-health like if you're if you're if you go to the gym and you're into eating well or eating carnivore you must be a racist Republican.

00:13:56.000 You know, like, there's a whole identity attached to it.

00:13:59.000 Yeah.

00:14:00.000 If you work out, you must be a Republican?

00:14:02.000 Yeah, there's all kinds of, like, it's this... 0.83

00:14:04.000 Seems silly. 0.97

00:14:05.000 Oh, it's very silly. 0.93

00:14:06.000 That's just an excuse for not taking care of yourself. 0.89

00:14:08.000 You gotta let yourself go.

00:14:10.000 Oh, you should?

00:14:10.000 In order to prove your, you know, your dedication to doing the right thing.

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:16.000 How does that make any sense?

00:14:17.000 I get the whole body positivity thing.

00:14:20.000 You should be happy with your body.

00:14:22.000 Yeah, you should.

00:14:23.000 Be happy.

00:14:24.000 But you also should take care of yourself.

00:14:25.000 It's better.

00:14:27.000 It's fundamentally better.

00:14:30.000 Undeniably better.

00:14:31.000 Sure.

00:14:31.000 Take care of yourself.

00:14:32.000 You're more resilient.

00:14:33.000 Yeah.

00:14:33.000 And if you did take care of yourself and you went into this thing healthy, you were less threatened.

00:14:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:40.000 That's something we found out.

00:14:42.000 It's like that probably applies to most things, kids.

00:14:44.000 Mm-hmm.

00:14:44.000 You know?

00:14:45.000 Mm-hmm.

00:14:46.000 Except like the Spanish flu.

00:14:47.000 Absolutely.

00:14:47.000 Well, and just, yeah, your overall mental health.

00:14:49.000 I think the Spanish flu was actually worse if you were healthy.

00:14:52.000 Oh, really?

00:14:52.000 Yeah.

00:14:53.000 Ooh.

00:14:53.000 I don't know about that.

00:14:55.000 I think the Spanish flu primarily attacked people that were young.

00:14:58.000 Like it did something to your immune system.

00:15:00.000 Like if your immune system was young and strong, like it actually fought against your immune system.

00:15:06.000 We got lucky with this one.

00:15:07.000 This one was lucky because it actually favored people that were healthy, including children.

00:15:13.000 It favored people that were young and resilient and really fucked people up that were overweight more than anything. 0.98

00:15:20.000 People that were fat. 0.98

00:15:21.000 There was a thing about COVID, the way it interacts with fat.

00:15:25.000 It actually replicates in fat.

00:15:27.000 So, like, people with fat got a higher dose.

00:15:31.000 Oh, really?

00:15:31.000 It was, like, a higher viral load.

00:15:33.000 Figure out what that was, Jamie.

00:15:35.000 Like, something about being obese uniquely targeted people for COVID. It's something about this particular virus, the way it affected obese people.

00:15:45.000 Which is, like, 78% at one point in time of the people in the ICU that were obese.

00:15:50.000 Right.

00:15:50.000 Which is wild.

00:15:52.000 Right.

00:15:52.000 But yet...

00:15:53.000 We live in this world where you're not supposed to talk about people being fat as being a real problem.

00:15:59.000 You're supposed to, you know, not fat chain people.

00:16:02.000 Well, you know, some of that isn't Here it is.

00:16:06.000 I want to say, okay.

00:16:24.000 So it shows that SARS-CoV-2 can infect human fat tissue.

00:16:27.000 This phenomenon was seen in laboratory experiments conducted on fat tissue, excised from patients undergoing bariatric and cardiac surgeries, and later infected in a laboratory dish with SARS-CoV-2.

00:16:40.000 We're good to go.

00:17:05.000 It provides a more direct reason.

00:17:07.000 SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can directly infect adipose tissue, which most refers to as just plain fat.

00:17:17.000 That, in turn, cooks up a cycle of viral replication within resident fat cells or Adipocytes?

00:17:26.000 That cause profound inflammation in immune cells that hang out in fat tissue.

00:17:30.000 The inflammation converts even uninfected bystander cells within the tissue and into an inflammatory state.

00:17:37.000 With two out of every three American adults overweight, and more out of four in ten of them obese, this is a potential cause for concern.

00:17:46.000 I feel like...

00:17:48.000 Well, first of all, that's...

00:17:50.000 Wild. 0.99

00:17:51.000 Fucking wild. 0.98

00:17:51.000 But, you know, I'm always amazed at those photos of people in line for a concert in the 90s. 0.98

00:17:59.000 And then, like...

00:18:02.000 Juxtaposed next to something this past year.

00:18:04.000 Harry Styles.

00:18:05.000 I don't know.

00:18:06.000 And there's a distinct difference in body type.

00:18:09.000 And people are still eating the same junk food now that we were then.

00:18:12.000 We still ate fast food then.

00:18:14.000 We had all kinds of sugar and things in our diet and sweets.

00:18:19.000 But I'm really interested in what's in our processed food.

00:18:24.000 Like seed oils and things like that.

00:18:26.000 We've been harping on that ad nauseam on the podcast.

00:18:29.000 Yeah, well then let's move on.

00:18:30.000 No, no, it's okay.

00:18:31.000 But it's a new thing in my life.

00:18:32.000 So, you know, I love Ways to Well.

00:18:36.000 They're great.

00:18:37.000 They've been life-changing.

00:18:38.000 It's the best medical care I've ever had.

00:18:41.000 Since I was a kid and I had our local doctor in Ohio...

00:18:45.000 Did you do a deep blood work panel? 0.97

00:18:47.000 Yeah, and I did a food intolerance test and I learned all these things, but canola oil was a hugely irritating thing because I always have fucking stomachaches. 0.65

00:18:57.000 It's irritating for everybody.

00:18:59.000 Right, but it's in everything and it has all these different names. 0.99

00:19:04.000 Sunflower oil and rapeseed oil, all that shit. 0.99

00:19:07.000 Rapeseed oil is one step away from shit we put in our cars. 1.00

00:19:10.000 It was originally invented as industrial lubricants. 0.99

00:19:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:15.000 Yeah, and then they decided to feed it to people.

00:19:17.000 Right.

00:19:18.000 So, no thanks.

00:19:19.000 And, you know, I'm just fascinated by that stuff.

00:19:21.000 Because, like, I go through these phases where, like, if I'm on the road or something, like, I'll start breaking out.

00:19:28.000 And, like, I'm getting acne like I'm a teenager. 0.99

00:19:30.000 I'm like, what the fuck is this? 0.98

00:19:30.000 And it's just whatever food I'm eating, my body doesn't like it. 0.98

00:19:33.000 But recently, Nick and I did Carnivore for a while.

00:19:38.000 And oh my god, I've never felt better. 1.00

00:19:41.000 Yeah, if you cut out all that shit. 1.00

00:19:43.000 I felt so good. 1.00

00:19:43.000 But if you cut out all that shit and then eat salads with olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette, you'll feel great. 1.00

00:19:49.000 A lot of people eat salads and they think they're doing well and they pour fucking seed oil all over it. 1.00

00:19:54.000 That shit's terrible for you. 1.00

00:19:55.000 Whenever you do that, I had a salad the other day and I was like, I know I'm going to hate this because I know they probably put some whack-ass dressing in it. 1.00

00:20:02.000 And then after I ate, I was like, yup, there it is.

00:20:04.000 There's a discomfort feeling.

00:20:06.000 I wanted a salad and I ate poison.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, it's a bummer.

00:20:09.000 I don't like being knocked off course.

00:20:12.000 It's just too much I want to do.

00:20:14.000 Then I was looking at peanut butters.

00:20:17.000 Believe it or not, Smucker's natural peanut butter is the only one I could find that had just peanuts and that's it.

00:20:24.000 I know peanuts aren't the best for you.

00:20:27.000 I don't think they're bad for you if you don't have a peanut allergy.

00:20:31.000 Are they bad for you?

00:20:32.000 There's better nuts, but I ways to well learned a few of those are not super good for me.

00:20:38.000 Almonds and I, we don't get along.

00:20:40.000 Almonds you don't get along with?

00:20:41.000 Nah, it's a bummer.

00:20:42.000 Interesting.

00:20:44.000 Supposedly if I lay off this stuff, also eggs was a big one for me.

00:20:48.000 Eggs?

00:20:48.000 And I was eating like five eggs every morning after the gym, but my stomach always hurts.

00:20:55.000 Wow, so you have an allergy to eggs?

00:20:57.000 It's not quite an allergy.

00:20:58.000 It's an intolerance.

00:20:59.000 Like they have this IgG scale that they run 200 or 300 different, the test I did, different foods against your blood, like my blood, not just my blood type.

00:21:08.000 And they can show me what clashes.

00:21:12.000 Garlic was one of them, and I'd rather... 1.00

00:21:16.000 Run my face into a wall because I'm Italian and I love that shit. 1.00

00:21:20.000 I was mad when I read it. 1.00

00:21:21.000 I was like, GARLIC?! WHAT THE?! ARGHH! Come on!

00:21:25.000 And I was like, I won't give.

00:21:26.000 I won't give.

00:21:27.000 I'll quit the pastel cartel vape, but I will not quit my garlic.

00:21:33.000 But it's been interesting to cut it all out and feel really good.

00:21:37.000 But supposedly you can cut it out for three months and then maybe reintroduce it and see what happens.

00:21:43.000 Well, that's the elimination diet thing. 0.78

00:21:45.000 That's the whole reason why carnivore works for people. 0.93

00:21:47.000 Because you're basically breaking it down to just meat.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, meats were all greens for me.

00:21:51.000 I had no problems.

00:21:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:21:54.000 So I go to Hudson Meats near our house and it's all local and it's fucking delicious. 0.98

00:22:01.000 All the sausage and steaks and it's just like, it's right there in the fridge, just throw it in a pan. 0.96

00:22:06.000 There's a lot of cool shit in Austin where you can find like local places where like, yeah, this is from a farm outside of Bastrop.

00:22:13.000 That's where they raise their steers and it's like, oh. 0.99

00:22:16.000 Great.

00:22:17.000 Buy it from the people that actually made it.

00:22:19.000 It's not like getting shipped from Argentina or something.

00:22:21.000 It's beautiful out there.

00:22:23.000 Have you ever been out there?

00:22:24.000 Bastrop or Argentina?

00:22:25.000 Bastrop.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, I have.

00:22:28.000 It is nice.

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 That's the cool thing about...

00:22:32.000 Someone said something about keep Austin weird and surrounded.

00:22:36.000 And the idea of Austin being surrounded by real Texas, I think, really weighs on Austin.

00:22:43.000 Because there's a lot of freaks here.

00:22:44.000 For sure.

00:22:45.000 A lot of Beto signs.

00:22:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:47.000 You drive around in East Austin.

00:22:50.000 Quite a few.

00:22:51.000 I'm just so amazed that people are supporting someone who's never been elected for anything. 1.00

00:22:58.000 And he's silly. 0.99

00:22:59.000 And he's like a bandwagon for whatever is trending. 1.00

00:23:03.000 Like, get your fucking head together. 1.00

00:23:05.000 He's a politician. 1.00

00:23:06.000 Oh, it's just so rough.

00:23:07.000 He's a guy who's like doing open mics.

00:23:10.000 That's what he's like.

00:23:11.000 He's like never really done the job.

00:23:14.000 But he's out there doing those open mics and doing it like an open miker.

00:23:18.000 He's like an amateur. 0.99

00:23:20.000 The way he does politics, it's like so fucking contrived. 0.99

00:23:24.000 Well, they're all like that. 1.00

00:23:25.000 It's a shit show. 1.00

00:23:27.000 And it's really hard. 1.00

00:23:29.000 I just have to turn it off.

00:23:30.000 I try to be as informed as I possibly can.

00:23:33.000 But watching this stuff is so crazy.

00:23:37.000 The Nancy Pelosi, Paul Pelosi thing is just like, oh my god.

00:23:41.000 They've sorted out what happened yet.

00:23:44.000 All these conspiracy theories that he knew the guy and the guy was in his house because he was his lover.

00:23:50.000 Weren't they in their underwear?

00:23:52.000 Well, one of them was in their underwear.

00:23:54.000 Right.

00:23:54.000 Were they both in their underwear?

00:23:56.000 Well, what I'd heard...

00:23:57.000 See, I can't speak factually on this, but what I'd heard is that there were...

00:24:03.000 You interrupting, Jamie?

00:24:04.000 You know something?

00:24:04.000 I was going to wait.

00:24:05.000 This morning they said there's video that the Capitol Police saw.

00:24:11.000 Of him breaking in.

00:24:12.000 They have it on video.

00:24:13.000 So the guy did break into the house?

00:24:15.000 Yeah.

00:24:16.000 They haven't shown it yet, I guess, but it is on video somewhere.

00:24:19.000 So it's not his friend?

00:24:21.000 I don't believe so.

00:24:22.000 I think that he just maybe said that when it was overheard on the 911. Either way, whatever that is, the way that the news is presented, the way that they talk about this, and then they try to thread in all the other things that are part of their case against Democrats against Republicans,

00:24:40.000 Republicans against Democrats.

00:24:42.000 No one can just talk about one thing.

00:24:44.000 You have to have this whole word soup of your stance in the world, and you've got to be on this side or that side.

00:24:51.000 Well, it's because we're so close to the midterms.

00:24:53.000 I know.

00:24:53.000 It's so annoying.

00:24:54.000 It's a week away.

00:24:55.000 I know.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, so everybody's freaking out.

00:24:57.000 I know.

00:24:59.000 Everybody's freaking out.

00:25:01.000 People are mad at me because I said it's going to be a red wave like the elevator doors open up on The Shining.

00:25:09.000 As a matter of fact, I'm not saying I want that.

00:25:11.000 I'm just saying this is what I see.

00:25:13.000 You've got to recognize what's happening, folks. 0.99

00:25:16.000 People are getting sick of this woke ideology getting crammed down everybody's fucking throats. 1.00

00:25:20.000 It's the worst. 0.99

00:25:21.000 And if you don't think that's the case, you're probably on that bandwagon.

00:25:26.000 Yeah.

00:25:27.000 If you don't think there's something really wild going on.

00:25:30.000 What's sad is that...

00:25:33.000 I used to really be so scared to talk about this stuff.

00:25:38.000 And like, now I'm at this point where like, I got nothing to lose.

00:25:42.000 I mean, like, I don't...

00:25:48.000 It's just like having logical conversations around this stuff.

00:25:53.000 Feelings are not facts.

00:25:55.000 Like, they're just, they're not.

00:25:57.000 And the way that, you know, people are running rampant with their emotions and ruining their lives as well as others, you know, is so dangerous.

00:26:11.000 And I really...

00:26:15.000 Want to be able to have conversations and also be wrong and be, like, scientifically told that I'm incorrect, you know, around all of this stuff.

00:26:23.000 But it's so sad.

00:26:25.000 I mean, people are so angry and, you know, yeah, it's just social contagions and mental illness.

00:26:33.000 It'll be really weird if we find out this was engineered.

00:26:36.000 We're really weird if we find out that foreign countries have been infecting social media. 1.00

00:26:41.000 I'm sure it is.

00:26:42.000 I mean, like, think about it. 0.99

00:26:44.000 Like, think about how easy it is to get wrapped up and not be exactly sure what thoughts are your own from looking at your fucking phone. 0.99

00:26:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:53.000 You know?

00:26:54.000 And to have a group of people that you identify with that have a very specific ideology that they support.

00:26:59.000 And if you're on that side, you must support that ideology.

00:27:02.000 Right.

00:27:02.000 So when certain things come up, you just say, yes, this is what I'm supposed to say.

00:27:06.000 And you haven't thought about it.

00:27:07.000 And then quietly when people are alone, they go, I don't know about this.

00:27:11.000 Yeah.

00:27:11.000 That's a cult.

00:27:13.000 That's a cult.

00:27:14.000 It is a cult.

00:27:14.000 It's very similar to a cult.

00:27:16.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 It's very similar to a lot of, you know, mental contagions because that does happen with people.

00:27:21.000 That's... 0.98

00:27:22.000 You know, we're a fucking very strange species. 0.97

00:27:26.000 We're very easily influenced and malleable, and we're also very hard-lined, and when we believe something, we want other people to believe it. 0.97

00:27:34.000 We want to win that argument.

00:27:36.000 Win that argument that my idea is the best idea.

00:27:39.000 I don't feel that way.

00:27:40.000 I just want to have a good time.

00:27:43.000 I just want to give love, receive love, enjoy my life experience.

00:27:51.000 If there's hard conversations that need to be had, I am not the most intelligent person in the room.

00:27:56.000 So I'm going to learn and I'm going to listen.

00:27:59.000 But in my own personal life experience, I can speak Eloquently and, you know, powerfully on my own side of the street.

00:28:09.000 But with this stuff, like, that's where, like, I love reading James Lindsay and Douglas Murray and Gad Saad.

00:28:16.000 Like, they're so brilliant.

00:28:19.000 Logical intellectuals.

00:28:20.000 Logical, critical thinking.

00:28:22.000 Yeah.

00:28:22.000 And that's where I get, like, my, you know, refreshing wave of confidence with this stuff.

00:28:31.000 Have you been paying attention to Twitter, how Twitter's now fact-checking all Biden statements?

00:28:36.000 Good!

00:28:37.000 So every time Biden says something and posts it on Twitter, Twitter's like, nope, actually that's not true.

00:28:43.000 Like, this is inaccurate.

00:28:45.000 But they're doing it for everybody, too.

00:28:46.000 It's not just him.

00:28:47.000 Which is fair.

00:28:49.000 Let's keep it fair.

00:28:49.000 Which is what it should be.

00:28:50.000 But what I cannot understand is people being like, I'm leaving Twitter because...

00:28:59.000 Without censorship, this will be the death of democracy. 0.99

00:29:02.000 Are you fucking serious? 1.00

00:29:04.000 Like, how dumb? 1.00

00:29:08.000 It's wild. 1.00

00:29:09.000 Here we are.

00:29:10.000 But it's also a thing you're supposed to say. 0.79

00:29:12.000 I'm leaving Twitter because Elon Musk is evil.

00:29:14.000 And then like, yay.

00:29:16.000 He said the right thing.

00:29:18.000 Yeah.

00:29:19.000 Look, having him run Twitter, I think, is going to be great.

00:29:22.000 I think it's going to be very interesting.

00:29:23.000 Twitter's funny again.

00:29:24.000 Yeah.

00:29:25.000 There's like all these great jokes. 0.96

00:29:26.000 Yeah, you don't want to worry about getting fucking banned for cracking jokes anymore. 0.84

00:29:32.000 Yeah, it's... 0.98

00:29:33.000 Oh, boy.

00:29:39.000 What good fun.

00:29:40.000 It's just nice to have a guy who's like a tech billionaire who has an opposing perspective and is a free speech hardliner.

00:29:48.000 I think that's important.

00:29:50.000 And the fact that he...

00:29:52.000 Literally put his money where his mouth is and purchased the biggest social media platform in the world. 0.97

00:29:57.000 Pretty fucking wild. 0.95

00:29:59.000 Well, there's some sort of saving grace with this anti-cancel culture thing that's happening. 0.99

00:30:04.000 Sure, fact check.

00:30:05.000 That's great. 1.00

00:30:06.000 But give people room to fuck up. 0.98

00:30:08.000 Give people room to say, hey, I'm sorry. 0.98

00:30:10.000 I said the wrong thing.

00:30:11.000 And let me just apologize.

00:30:13.000 And I'll do better.

00:30:14.000 I'll try better next time.

00:30:15.000 Human beings are very messy.

00:30:17.000 And depending upon who you...

00:30:19.000 You're a different person every day.

00:30:21.000 Every day you're slightly different.

00:30:23.000 Yesterday I was Dolly Parton.

00:30:25.000 Are you?

00:30:25.000 I wish.

00:30:26.000 Thanks.

00:30:27.000 I've downsized.

00:30:31.000 That lady, she's one of the few people that everybody loves. 1.00

00:30:34.000 Oh my God.

00:30:34.000 You should get her on the podcast.

00:30:36.000 I would love to have her on the podcast.

00:30:37.000 That would be amazing.

00:30:37.000 She's so loved.

00:30:39.000 I know.

00:30:39.000 Like, universally loved.

00:30:41.000 Yeah.

00:30:41.000 Like, no matter what.

00:30:42.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 You know, she's like one of those people, like Willie Nelson.

00:30:45.000 You can't hear a bad word about Willie Nelson.

00:30:48.000 No, you can't.

00:30:49.000 Oh, God.

00:30:50.000 I got to see him last year.

00:30:51.000 Oh, no, this year.

00:30:52.000 I played the Luck Reunion at Willie's Ranch, and I got to see him play, and it was just...

00:30:59.000 I hadn't seen him in, like, 10 years.

00:31:01.000 And it's just...

00:31:03.000 It's so special.

00:31:04.000 And, you know, he's up there, so you want to get as much Willie Nelson time as you can.

00:31:09.000 Right.

00:31:09.000 While he's still around.

00:31:11.000 While he's still playing.

00:31:11.000 Yeah, I mean, he's 90 now, right?

00:31:14.000 I think so.

00:31:14.000 Maybe older.

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 He's 10 years older than Biden.

00:31:19.000 Wow.

00:31:22.000 I guess Biden should start smoking weed?

00:31:25.000 I think Biden's dealing with the presidential stress, which wears you out like 15 times more than normal stress.

00:31:33.000 Poor guy.

00:31:34.000 I think they're all on drugs.

00:31:35.000 Oh, he's definitely on drugs.

00:31:36.000 Like, there's just...

00:31:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:39.000 Yeah, he's got IV marks on his hands.

00:31:41.000 Someone was pointing that out.

00:31:42.000 They're giving him IVs.

00:31:43.000 Sure.

00:31:44.000 But that's probably vitamins and stuff, just to try to keep him as robust as possible.

00:31:48.000 I just prefer to learn about Joe Biden through Kyle Dunnigan.

00:31:51.000 Right.

00:31:51.000 And then that's like my only way to know what's going on because half the jokes he's saying are actual things that Joe Biden said.

00:31:59.000 It's more digestible coming from Kyle Dunnigan because it's funny.

00:32:04.000 Did you see Kyle Dunnigan had Tucker Carlson interview Kanye West?

00:32:08.000 No.

00:32:09.000 What?

00:32:10.000 I'm gonna need to see that.

00:32:12.000 That's so good.

00:32:12.000 Pull it up.

00:32:13.000 Pull it up, Jamie. 1.00

00:32:15.000 Kyle Dunnigan's a fucking... 1.00

00:32:16.000 Him and Kurt Metzger, they're fucking national treasures together. 1.00

00:32:20.000 Those guys, like, those fucking sketches that they do. 1.00

00:32:23.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:32:24.000 Yeah.

00:32:25.000 It's good stuff.

00:32:26.000 It's the face swap, too.

00:32:28.000 It's...

00:32:28.000 Oh, my God.

00:32:31.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:32:32.000 Welcome to Tucker Carlson.

00:32:33.000 Today, I sat down with Kanye West.

00:32:36.000 Oh, Kanye West.

00:32:37.000 Don't sit down with him.

00:32:38.000 He's a scary...

00:32:40.000 That's what the left wants you to think.

00:32:42.000 He didn't seem crazy to me.

00:32:43.000 So you're like an okay guy.

00:32:45.000 Take a look.

00:32:46.000 Thank you for being here, Yee.

00:32:48.000 First question. 0.99

00:32:50.000 You said Pete Davidson has a 10-inch penis. 1.00

00:32:52.000 Is that true? 1.00

00:32:53.000 Yes.

00:32:54.000 Who else knew about this whopping dong?

00:32:57.000 Every single person in Hollywood, from my ex-wife to my mother-in-law to, you know, my so-called friends.

00:33:06.000 Your hat says 2023. Is that the year you think it is?

00:33:11.000 Yes.

00:33:11.000 Along with leather jogging pants, you created a White Lives Matter shirt.

00:33:16.000 I can hear people saying, well, of course, white lives matter. 0.89

00:33:19.000 We don't get shot by the cops.

00:33:22.000 But we do get shot by the cops.

00:33:25.000 Don't we?

00:33:27.000 Yes.

00:33:28.000 I'm going to start a rap and then you finish it. 0.78

00:33:32.000 Johnny went to the country club.

00:33:44.000 When my mom... 1.00

00:33:45.000 That was fun.

00:33:54.000 Mostly...

00:33:54.000 Where's the best Starbucks?

00:33:56.000 In Delaware.

00:33:58.000 I think your message is quite nice.

00:34:00.000 White lives do matter. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Except for Pete Davidson's.

00:34:04.000 That was funny.

00:34:05.000 Thank you for being here.

00:34:06.000 Good evening.

00:34:07.000 Welcome to Tucker Carlson.

00:34:10.000 He's so good at the cadence of the inflections.

00:34:14.000 Oh man, what a joy. 0.99

00:34:18.000 Well, we need fucking comedy right now. 0.99

00:34:20.000 That's for damn sure. 0.99

00:34:21.000 We need a little bit of a break. 0.90

00:34:23.000 And it's one of the more incredible things about the internet is the memes. 0.94

00:34:26.000 I mean, just some of the Paul Pelosi memes have been fucking hilarious.

00:34:29.000 There's some really good stuff out there. 0.78

00:34:31.000 Oh my god, everyone.

00:34:33.000 But that's the thing about, you know, there's so many different creative people out there that they can get their stuff out there.

00:34:42.000 It's just a meme.

00:34:43.000 And everybody spreads it around.

00:34:45.000 It's funny.

00:34:45.000 It gives you a little break.

00:34:46.000 And it gets you to see how most people are actually seeing multiple sides to different stories.

00:34:52.000 Yes.

00:34:52.000 That's the best part.

00:34:53.000 If it's kind of one-sided and it's just, you know, I get where your trajectory is at, sure, but this shit is so good. 0.99

00:35:02.000 He makes fun of everybody. 0.99

00:35:04.000 Everybody.

00:35:04.000 Everybody gets it.

00:35:05.000 Bill Maher gets it.

00:35:06.000 Everybody gets it.

00:35:07.000 Caitlyn Jenner gets it.

00:35:08.000 They all get it.

00:35:09.000 Joe Biden gets it.

00:35:10.000 Everyone gets it.

00:35:11.000 You're all going to get those jokes.

00:35:14.000 Oh, I can't.

00:35:15.000 Let's see.

00:35:16.000 You can't?

00:35:16.000 Oh, I was just like...

00:35:18.000 Oh, it's that one with...

00:35:20.000 It's like really early on with that female comic who I met backstage with you months ago.

00:35:29.000 Blonde.

00:35:31.000 Oh, man.

00:35:32.000 Where was it?

00:35:33.000 It was here in Austin.

00:35:36.000 And...

00:35:36.000 Oh, God, sorry.

00:35:38.000 Her name is escaping me.

00:35:39.000 But she did a couple Kyle Dunnegan videos and she plays his daughter.

00:35:42.000 Oh.

00:35:43.000 Oh, Annie.

00:35:44.000 Annie Letterman.

00:35:45.000 Yeah, she's really funny.

00:35:47.000 Yeah, she's very funny.

00:35:48.000 She does that thing where... 1.00

00:35:49.000 When he does Catty Daddy?

00:35:49.000 Catty Daddy, yeah.

00:35:51.000 And he's like, what does he say?

00:35:54.000 Oh my God, I can't.

00:35:55.000 I can't do it because it's so...

00:35:57.000 She's like, Dad, I've got a problem. 1.00

00:36:02.000 And he's like, oh, did you inherit your mother's ugly pussy? 1.00

00:36:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:08.000 It's so terrible.

00:36:10.000 She's like, no, I've got, you know, a cold or whatever.

00:36:12.000 I can't remember.

00:36:13.000 I'm totally paraphrasing.

00:36:14.000 And he keeps taking the glasses off and throwing them down, whatever makes a point.

00:36:17.000 Catty daddy.

00:36:18.000 Oh, I'm going to regret saying that later.

00:36:20.000 Well, those guys are doing some of the best comedy available online.

00:36:24.000 I mean, that's what's interesting about independent stuff like that.

00:36:27.000 Like, have you seen any Gillian Keeves?

00:36:29.000 Mm-mm.

00:36:30.000 That's my friend Shane Gillis and his buddy.

00:36:33.000 They do these sketches.

00:36:34.000 And they did one was Trump Speed Dating.

00:36:37.000 Okay. 1.00

00:36:38.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.98

00:36:39.000 But it's the same thing. 0.99

00:36:40.000 It's like they're independent.

00:36:42.000 Right.

00:36:43.000 So because they're independent, they can do stuff like this Tucker Carlson thing or like that thing.

00:36:47.000 Right.

00:36:47.000 And no one's telling them don't do it.

00:36:49.000 Like he, you know, Kyle Dunning had a special.

00:36:52.000 He had a show that he was going to do on Comedy Central.

00:36:55.000 Oh, really?

00:36:56.000 Yes, with the face swaps.

00:36:58.000 And they were like, no, you can't do this.

00:36:59.000 It's too controversial. 0.99

00:37:00.000 He had one where Caitlyn Jenner was fucking Donald Trump. 0.99

00:37:03.000 She was riding Donald Trump. 1.00

00:37:04.000 It was hilarious.

00:37:05.000 Is that a little too racy?

00:37:07.000 It was so funny.

00:37:08.000 He gave it to me, showed it to me in the green room of the comedy store.

00:37:11.000 I was crying laughing.

00:37:12.000 He's like, Comedy Central said no to this.

00:37:14.000 I'm like, oh my god, they're suicidal.

00:37:16.000 They have a death wish.

00:37:18.000 Well, TV's not really funny anymore, give or take a few things.

00:37:21.000 South Park. 1.00

00:37:21.000 We are always watching old shit. 1.00

00:37:26.000 Love news radio. 1.00

00:37:27.000 That's on in our house quite a bit.

00:37:30.000 We're watching 80s and 90s movies, like old Eddie Murphy movies.

00:37:36.000 We like Archer movies.

00:37:37.000 That's great.

00:37:38.000 But there's not, like, comedically speaking, there's not a ton of stuff that's out right now, other than Nathan Fielder's pretty good.

00:37:46.000 I like his stuff on HBO. I mean, remember when TV was funny all the time?

00:37:54.000 Most of those subjects that were taboo or risque are now banned.

00:37:59.000 Right.

00:37:59.000 You can't discuss those things.

00:38:01.000 Correct.

00:38:02.000 It's going to bounce back the other way.

00:38:04.000 There's always like a crazy cultural shift and people realize that they've made errors.

00:38:09.000 I mean, that was the Red Scare during the communist days.

00:38:11.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:38:12.000 There's always like a time where everyone's like, ah, ah, and then it just ever like, oh my God, what were we doing?

00:38:17.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:38:17.000 What the fuck were we doing? 0.98

00:38:19.000 Hopefully we're at that point where that question is happening. 0.99

00:38:23.000 I think we are.

00:38:24.000 I think we are for the most part.

00:38:25.000 I want better TV. Yeah, that's going to be fucked. 1.00

00:38:29.000 TV's going to be fucked, but it'll pick up on streamers. 0.99

00:38:31.000 Netflix will have more options and Amazon and places like that. 0.97

00:38:36.000 Yeah, but that's kind of the problem too in that way that the same thing that happened to the music industry is happening to the TV industry because everything's streamed and it's basically free.

00:38:45.000 So the quality is...

00:38:49.000 You know, movies too.

00:38:51.000 Like, what the hell were we watching recently?

00:38:54.000 Where I was like, how much money did they spend making this film? 1.00

00:38:58.000 Piece of garbage? 0.99

00:38:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:00.000 Pretty much all of the TV we watch is like that, for the most part.

00:39:03.000 What was it?

00:39:04.000 There's still good stuff out there.

00:39:05.000 Oh my god.

00:39:07.000 Tom, what's his name? 0.94

00:39:08.000 Another like bang bang shoot em up.

00:39:10.000 It came out last year.

00:39:11.000 The Gray Man?

00:39:12.000 No.

00:39:13.000 That was terrible too.

00:39:14.000 I thought that was so bad!

00:39:15.000 You know why it's terrible?

00:39:16.000 It's not the same as the books.

00:39:18.000 If you read the Gray Man books are hardcore.

00:39:21.000 Yeah.

00:39:22.000 It's pretty wild.

00:39:23.000 Super hyper-violent.

00:39:25.000 Oh, really?

00:39:26.000 It's all about a CIA assassin.

00:39:29.000 I think the thing that I struggle with is wanting...

00:39:31.000 I just don't believe it.

00:39:33.000 I don't believe that that physical body type is doing that thing.

00:39:37.000 I see where the sleight of hand is taking place.

00:39:40.000 Call me a cynic, but...

00:39:42.000 What's happened to me?

00:39:46.000 Probably just being logical.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, but you know, you have to have that diffusion of...

00:39:50.000 What is that term?

00:39:52.000 You know, when you...

00:39:53.000 You just give in to whatever the show is.

00:39:56.000 Just give in to it.

00:39:58.000 What's that term? 1.00

00:39:58.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:40:01.000 You know that term... 1.00

00:40:03.000 God, my brain is shit today. 1.00

00:40:05.000 One day of drinking, my brain falls apart. 1.00

00:40:07.000 Oh, you're gonna be okay.

00:40:08.000 Well, you know what you're supposed to do.

00:40:10.000 Keep drinking.

00:40:11.000 That's what they say.

00:40:13.000 Want a cocktail?

00:40:14.000 Absolutely.

00:40:15.000 But you know what?

00:40:15.000 I just remembered another funny show.

00:40:18.000 The Righteous Gemstones.

00:40:19.000 What's that?

00:40:20.000 Hilarious.

00:40:21.000 Danny McBride's show on HBO. Oh, really?

00:40:23.000 I love that.

00:40:24.000 Oh, my God.

00:40:24.000 About the, like, megachurch.

00:40:26.000 Oh.

00:40:27.000 It is so funny.

00:40:30.000 I mean, it is...

00:40:32.000 It's brutally gross in speech, but it's quick, it's funny.

00:40:40.000 Danny McBride and John Goodman.

00:40:42.000 I highly recommend it.

00:40:43.000 Oh, I love John Goodman.

00:40:44.000 He's one of those bucket list people I'd love to meet that I hope is as cool in person as he seems to be. 0.95

00:40:51.000 Yeah, I would suck if he wasn't. 0.94

00:40:51.000 I know. 0.94

00:40:52.000 Yeah, there's still good stuff out there.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, I don't want to be such a naysayer. 0.97

00:40:58.000 And there's more to discover, I'm sure.

00:41:01.000 But I've really enjoyed like these, like we've been watching all these 90s movies like The Last of the Mohicans and we went through The Fugitive, The Firm.

00:41:15.000 Couple of Tom Cruise, other Tom Cruise movies.

00:41:17.000 You're going all old school.

00:41:18.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:41:19.000 I just, like, the acting was better, the storylines were better for the most part.

00:41:24.000 Unless you're doing an action film like Point Break or something.

00:41:27.000 Like, I was amazed at how bad that was.

00:41:31.000 Like, why are you going to jump out of the airplane with the guys that you know want to kill you and they packed your parachute but you're getting in there anyway?

00:41:39.000 I don't even remember that movie very well.

00:41:41.000 Shawna Utah, what do you mean?

00:41:43.000 He's the man.

00:41:44.000 I know, but still, there were so many holes in the end of that movie that I kept watching it.

00:41:49.000 It was fun.

00:41:50.000 It was entertaining.

00:41:51.000 But wouldn't you want to tie up some of those holes in that blockbuster of a film that you're putting all this money into?

00:41:59.000 Just make the storyline a tad bit better?

00:42:02.000 It's not that hard. 0.99

00:42:02.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:42:03.000 Fast and Furious 9. Did you see Fast and Furious 9? 0.97

00:42:06.000 Yeah, I love that shit. 0.99

00:42:07.000 They have a car in space. 1.00

00:42:10.000 That movie's made like a billion dollars.

00:42:13.000 I'm aware.

00:42:13.000 But you know what you're signing up for with that stuff, too.

00:42:16.000 You're like, I'm going to get stoned and watch this and enjoy it.

00:42:19.000 And my mind's not going to be blown other than by the special effects.

00:42:24.000 Everything else, you know, is...

00:42:26.000 But that's the thing if you're watching any kind of action movie.

00:42:29.000 The thing that bothers you is the thing that you have to kind of accept.

00:42:32.000 I don't know.

00:42:32.000 Maverick really touched my heart.

00:42:35.000 Did it?

00:42:36.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 I made it 15 minutes.

00:42:38.000 Oh, what?

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Wow.

00:42:40.000 I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

00:42:41.000 I can't do this.

00:42:42.000 But, like, Tom Cruise is actually flying those planes.

00:42:45.000 I know.

00:42:46.000 Which is pretty wild.

00:42:47.000 We have to talk about this.

00:42:48.000 I think you have to give it another try.

00:42:50.000 No.

00:42:51.000 Come on, man.

00:42:52.000 No.

00:42:54.000 Suspension of disbelief.

00:42:55.000 That's what I was looking for.

00:42:56.000 Okay.

00:42:57.000 Suspension of disbelief.

00:42:58.000 You stick with your terminal list.

00:42:59.000 I like that.

00:43:00.000 But I like the books.

00:43:02.000 The books are great.

00:43:03.000 Are they?

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 That's why I like the series.

00:43:06.000 And I like Chris Pratt.

00:43:07.000 I like him too.

00:43:08.000 I like him a lot.

00:43:09.000 And my friend Jack Carr wrote it all.

00:43:11.000 Okay.

00:43:11.000 Oh, that's super cool.

00:43:12.000 See those tomahawks on the wall?

00:43:14.000 Yeah.

00:43:14.000 The cross tomahawks?

00:43:15.000 Okay.

00:43:16.000 That's the terminal west tomahawks.

00:43:16.000 Oh, I did know that was a Jack Carr book.

00:43:18.000 Yeah.

00:43:19.000 There's another one of his that I really want to read.

00:43:22.000 Do you read all his books?

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:24.000 They're all about James Reese.

00:43:26.000 Right.

00:43:26.000 So there's the Terminalist is the first one.

00:43:27.000 Right.

00:43:27.000 What are the names of the other ones?

00:43:30.000 I think he's on book five now.

00:43:35.000 So the books are better? 0.99

00:43:36.000 Oh, the books are fucking great. 0.97

00:43:38.000 Yeah, here it goes. 0.99

00:43:40.000 So, Terminalist, True Believer, In the Blood, Savage Son, The Devil's Hand.

00:43:44.000 I think it's The Devil's Hand.

00:43:46.000 I think that's what he's got out now, and then he's working on number five.

00:43:51.000 I think I'm due for some good fiction.

00:43:53.000 You're good. 0.97

00:43:53.000 I've been getting into all this heady stuff lately, and I need to calm the fuck down. 0.97

00:43:57.000 Well, that's not that heady, but it's very violent. 0.97

00:44:00.000 Yeah, well...

00:44:01.000 But, you know, it's written by an actual Navy SEAL. Correct. 0.63

00:44:04.000 Who really did experience combat duty.

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 It's as close to reality as you can get in fiction, in terms of, like, you know, obviously the good guy wins.

00:44:15.000 Yeah.

00:44:15.000 But there's a lot of reality...

00:44:18.000 Interlaced into it in terms of like how things actually run.

00:44:21.000 Wow.

00:44:21.000 Yeah.

00:44:23.000 Man, it's...

00:44:25.000 You know, Nick and I were talking about this the other day, like in conjunction with Navy SEALs and highly trained operatives and, you know, lethal weapons among us, like think about all the former spies that like the gray man,

00:44:42.000 like have aged out of their profession but are still among us that could like... 0.73

00:44:48.000 Kill you with their fingertips. 0.98

00:44:50.000 There's got to be a lot at this point. 1.00

00:44:52.000 There's probably a few.

00:44:53.000 Hanging out, your neighbor, you know, trying to have a quiet life.

00:44:57.000 That's that movie or that TV show, The Old Man.

00:45:01.000 Oh, not The Gray Man.

00:45:02.000 The Old Man.

00:45:02.000 That's what I meant.

00:45:03.000 Oh, The Old Man's good.

00:45:04.000 Oh, I was talking about The Old Man.

00:45:05.000 Oh, The Gray Man was the one with...

00:45:07.000 The Gray Man is that Ryan Reynolds?

00:45:10.000 Gosling.

00:45:11.000 Ryan Gosling. 1.00

00:45:11.000 I always fuck him up. 1.00

00:45:12.000 I always confuse those two. 0.99

00:45:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:14.000 One of the men.

00:45:15.000 The Old Man.

00:45:16.000 Aren't they kind of synonymous at this point?

00:45:18.000 Old and gray.

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 But Ryan Gosling's not old.

00:45:21.000 No, he's not.

00:45:22.000 I was just joking.

00:45:22.000 The old man is the Jeff Bridges one.

00:45:24.000 That's the one I was talking about.

00:45:25.000 That's really good for a few episodes.

00:45:27.000 Right, and then it just drones on. 0.99

00:45:30.000 It gets to the point where you're like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:45:32.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:45:33.000 How is he getting away?

00:45:34.000 What is going on?

00:45:35.000 How is he driving all the way across the country?

00:45:37.000 Well, and then the storyline of dedicating his love to this woman who's terrible to him.

00:45:42.000 Well, he's terrible to her, too.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, but it just, you know...

00:45:46.000 He dragged her and kidnapped her and...

00:45:50.000 Once again, like a Greek tragedy.

00:45:53.000 Bringing it back. 0.98

00:45:54.000 But in the beginning, like the first episode or two, I was like, holy shit, this show's great. 0.93

00:45:59.000 Same. 0.60

00:45:59.000 We were into it for a couple episodes and then it just... 0.60

00:46:01.000 Yeah, it got heavy with the dialogue where they're explaining things with dialogue.

00:46:05.000 Like, you're losing me here.

00:46:06.000 Did you guys get new writers?

00:46:08.000 Ran out of money.

00:46:09.000 Probably.

00:46:09.000 It's amazing how they make shows.

00:46:11.000 Like, people get fired halfway through.

00:46:14.000 They bring people on.

00:46:15.000 They reshoot and, like, jump around.

00:46:19.000 Executives come in.

00:46:20.000 They want to change things.

00:46:21.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:22.000 Whew.

00:46:23.000 That's why a lot of things get made really poorly.

00:46:26.000 Absolutely.

00:46:27.000 Too many cooks in the kitchen. 1.00

00:46:29.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 I mean, there's someone else you should talk to about that.

00:46:34.000 I mean, Nick would just give you the whole thing.

00:46:36.000 No, I'm sure he would.

00:46:37.000 I mean, I've gotten some of it out of him, but it's just...

00:46:40.000 Yeah, it's very difficult to get, like, one creative vision and have that be the thing that gets put out there.

00:46:48.000 Well, you have to...

00:46:51.000 I mean, every show, every project, every production company is different.

00:46:58.000 Just like in music sometimes, it's hard to get the right people without an ego that just want to make something fucking awesome.

00:47:07.000 But that's not the case most of the time.

00:47:10.000 And now, especially, our industries took...

00:47:12.000 I mean, what a big fat disappointment in having to make a show, but you've got to make sure you check all these political boxes so that you manipulate a storyline instead of just telling a good story.

00:47:29.000 There's just all kinds of insertions of agenda and...

00:47:34.000 That just takes away from watching a good movie or a good show.

00:47:38.000 Yeah, they just feel like they have to include diversity and certain groups have to be represented.

00:47:46.000 It's not what a story is supposed to be about.

00:47:48.000 You should have as many stories from as many different perspectives as possible, but that doesn't mean... 0.98

00:47:53.000 You should fuck with someone's idea just because you want to add in a gay character or a black woman character or an Asian character. 0.98

00:48:02.000 That should be just natural. 1.00

00:48:03.000 It's like the female Ghostbusters. 1.00

00:48:06.000 Come on, guys.

00:48:07.000 Female Ghostbusters was good for a little while. 1.00

00:48:09.000 The first half hour of it or so was pretty funny.

00:48:12.000 And I'm not saying Ghostbusters can't be female.

00:48:14.000 I'm sure they could bust the hell out of those ghosts. 1.00

00:48:17.000 All the men were buffoons. 1.00

00:48:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:48:20.000 Even Bill Murray.

00:48:21.000 He was bad.

00:48:21.000 He was a bad guy.

00:48:22.000 Right.

00:48:23.000 Oh, I love Bill Murray.

00:48:24.000 Bill Murray's the best.

00:48:26.000 They're coming for Bill.

00:48:27.000 Are they?

00:48:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:28.000 What do you mean?

00:48:30.000 There's all these people saying that he was horrible to work with.

00:48:32.000 And I'm like, maybe they were horrible. 1.00

00:48:34.000 Maybe he just doesn't tolerate assholes. 1.00

00:48:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:36.000 I don't know.

00:48:36.000 But also, like, give people some...

00:48:39.000 Give them a chance for redemption, you know?

00:48:42.000 Sometimes you made mistakes. 1.00

00:48:43.000 You gotta come back and, you know, be like, yeah, maybe I was an asshole back then. 1.00

00:48:48.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:48:49.000 I don't know either.

00:48:50.000 Unless he was like, you know...

00:48:52.000 It depends on the degree.

00:48:54.000 That's the thing.

00:48:55.000 People get so upset about things they probably know nothing about.

00:48:59.000 Everything is hearsay.

00:49:01.000 And that's where, like...

00:49:02.000 This James Lindsay stuff, like, really, it blows my mind and then makes me so sad, is that, like, objective reality is cancelled out by your local narratives, and, like, if you, you know, if I say this red skull is green,

00:49:19.000 then it's green, you know, and that's it.

00:49:21.000 You have to agree it's green, or there's some problem.

00:49:23.000 Right, right.

00:49:24.000 Or just, like, getting, you know, tremendously upset about a headline that Because you read it, and then you believe that this thing is true, but you know nothing about it. 1.00

00:49:37.000 And it could be about Bill Murray being an asshole or whatever. 0.99

00:49:40.000 I really care about that stuff right now. 0.99

00:49:42.000 I care about how it's affected my life and mistakes I've made in thought around bandwagon emotions.

00:49:49.000 I'm so disappointed in myself for when I've done that.

00:49:52.000 Like what?

00:49:53.000 I mean...

00:50:01.000 A lot of the BLM stuff was so intense and so emotional.

00:50:13.000 I read Tahanasi Coates' book, Between the World and Me, and then I read Douglas Murray, who gives you a totally different context on Coates' version of the world, which is really harsh and,

00:50:30.000 you know, shaming.

00:50:34.000 For a white person, you know? 0.93

00:50:37.000 And I do care.

00:50:39.000 I do care about justice.

00:50:40.000 I do care about reality and actual problems.

00:50:44.000 But I think that like the way the narrative around racism now is so destructive.

00:50:51.000 Show me where I'm wrong, by the way.

00:50:53.000 Show me where I'm saying the wrong things and I've made a mistake.

00:50:59.000 Diversity and inclusion officers in the schools teaching kids about white privilege and things like that.

00:51:07.000 It just seems so destructive.

00:51:10.000 Now we're so aware of each other's differences in skin color, whereas I just care about if you're a good person or not. 0.99

00:51:18.000 I just care about what kind of people we are.

00:51:21.000 And this is where I'm not trying to start a fight with anybody.

00:51:27.000 I want to understand what is real and what has been a narrative that's pushed on me to manipulate my emotions and push me to make choices that I don't understand.

00:51:40.000 Well, the wildest thing about the BLM thing is there's always overcorrections, right?

00:51:45.000 There's always, like, things that we recognize are giant problems in this country.

00:51:50.000 And racism certainly is one.

00:51:52.000 And then things go so far to one direction and then they bounce back the other direction.

00:51:58.000 The problem with that is you don't want it bouncing back into the area of accepting racism.

00:52:03.000 You don't ever want it to be pushed so far to one way that it becomes popular to bounce back the other way.

00:52:10.000 No, what I care about are things that are called racist that shouldn't be.

00:52:14.000 Like math.

00:52:17.000 Right.

00:52:17.000 I'm talking about that stuff.

00:52:19.000 That kind of shit, yeah. 1.00

00:52:20.000 And where it's become maniacal. 1.00

00:52:23.000 The problem is it also becomes something that people barter in.

00:52:28.000 Whenever you have an issue that's a cultural issue, you can have people that are essentially mercenaries that use whatever that cultural issue is for their own personal gain.

00:52:40.000 That's one of the things that people saw with BLM was where all the money went.

00:52:43.000 Well, yeah, that too.

00:52:46.000 Where did it go?

00:52:47.000 A lot of it's missing.

00:52:48.000 A lot of it was spent on houses for the people that were a part of the movement that now live in mansions.

00:52:53.000 Originally, what was it supposed to be for?

00:52:56.000 Community-oriented things?

00:52:58.000 But the problem is whenever you have any sort of charitable organization, you have people that are actually being paid by the organization.

00:53:04.000 And like, how much should they make?

00:53:06.000 And then, like, where is that money going?

00:53:08.000 How is that money being allocated?

00:53:10.000 Who gets to decide if you donate a million dollars to an organization?

00:53:14.000 That organization has a million dollars.

00:53:15.000 Do they have a mandate very specifically as to where they can apply that money and not?

00:53:19.000 And it turns out, in some cases, no.

00:53:21.000 And people were donating because they thought it was a good cause and the right thing to do, and it made them feel better to donate.

00:53:26.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

00:53:27.000 That's exactly what I'm talking about.

00:53:29.000 Like, I did those things, and I didn't understand them other than I just felt so bad, you know?

00:53:35.000 And...

00:53:39.000 That's where I wanted to take control of my life in that way.

00:53:44.000 I want to know what's going on.

00:53:46.000 I want to know what I believe in.

00:53:47.000 I want to know what's real.

00:53:48.000 I want to read and have my own life experiences and talk to people if they want to share something with me so I can understand your perspective.

00:54:01.000 I'm big on meritocracy.

00:54:04.000 I work hard.

00:54:05.000 I know people that work really hard and get to the places they want to be in life or keep trying to get to the place they want to be in life, whether it's your career or being a good person or being a good mother, father, husband, wife. 0.99

00:54:21.000 To say, like, you have an advantage because you're a man and I have a disadvantage because I'm a woman is bullshit. 0.80

00:54:28.000 I mean, like, I get where sometimes that would make sense, like, if we were talking UFC. But, like, that kind of stuff, like... 0.97

00:54:41.000 I've been the only woman on a bill more times than I could ever count.

00:54:47.000 That's just been in the way for a while.

00:54:51.000 And then you start seeing more female artists and they're really, really good.

00:54:55.000 But I don't think they were given that position because they're women. 1.00

00:54:58.000 I think they were given the spot on the bill because their music is awesome.

00:55:01.000 That's the same with comedy.

00:55:03.000 Right.

00:55:03.000 I think it's actually harder for women to do comedy.

00:55:05.000 Absolutely.

00:55:07.000 Because the...

00:55:10.000 Evidence is that no one's laughing if you're not funny, you know?

00:55:14.000 No, I think it's harder for women because there's a lot of men that don't want to see women be the person that talks. 0.97

00:55:20.000 So like when a woman goes on stage and she's commanding all the attention, a lot of men go, oh, I fucking could do that.

00:55:25.000 I should be doing that. 0.98

00:55:26.000 Women aren't funny. 1.00

00:55:27.000 Like there's a prejudice about women being funny. 0.99

00:55:29.000 Yeah, sure.

00:55:30.000 Yeah, there definitely is.

00:55:31.000 There's a prejudice amongst men that some women aren't funny.

00:55:36.000 Yeah, and then it's like, what do they talk about?

00:55:39.000 Look, if a woman's on stage talking about politics, good luck. 1.00

00:55:42.000 It's hard not for a man to talk about politics, but when women talk about politics, again, there's a certain percentage of the male population in particular that don't want to fucking hear it. 0.99

00:55:51.000 Right. 0.98

00:55:51.000 You know? 0.98

00:55:52.000 You want to change the subject?

00:55:53.000 Yeah.

00:55:56.000 No.

00:55:56.000 I just think it's a more difficult road, but a lot of women make it.

00:56:00.000 And those women are very popular. 0.97

00:56:04.000 Comedy is a meritocracy in that if you are funny, and it gets out there and people get to see it, they will come see you.

00:56:10.000 If you keep working on it and you keep writing new stuff and keep putting out specials, you will have a career.

00:56:17.000 And there's a lot of people that don't have a career, and they attribute that to sexism in some way.

00:56:21.000 And I go, did you do everything you could?

00:56:24.000 Are you sure?

00:56:25.000 Did you improve?

00:56:27.000 Did you write a lot?

00:56:28.000 Did you work on your act?

00:56:29.000 Were you self-critical?

00:56:31.000 Were you objective?

00:56:32.000 Did you analyze your material and rework it and hone it down to a razor's edge?

00:56:38.000 You probably didn't.

00:56:39.000 You're probably mad and you're probably trying to attribute all sorts of external reasons as to why you're not as successful as other people.

00:56:46.000 That's the point.

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 There's always going to be that.

00:56:49.000 But then there's always going to be people who rise.

00:56:51.000 And most people will look at those people that do rise and see, especially if those people are very dedicated and they worked hard, they go, well, there's obviously a merit to that.

00:57:00.000 Yeah.

00:57:01.000 Well, these are the standards I have for myself.

00:57:03.000 The way I see the world is like, I can't make excuses for my shortcomings or my inabilities or failures and say it's someone else's fault.

00:57:15.000 People love to do that.

00:57:16.000 I know. 1.00

00:57:17.000 It's a fucking sport. 1.00

00:57:19.000 Yeah, well, that's where you pretty much lose me. 1.00

00:57:22.000 Yeah, it's just you're wasting so much time, too, and it doesn't work.

00:57:25.000 First of all, people don't believe it.

00:57:27.000 When you blame other people for your lack of success, other people don't believe it.

00:57:31.000 They let you talk, but they don't believe it.

00:57:32.000 And they don't respect you, because they know that you're looking for excuses. 0.99

00:57:36.000 And they'll listen, and they may even agree with you, like, yeah, yeah, you're getting fucked over, yeah. 0.57

00:57:40.000 But really, you know, it's how you behave, what you do, how you think, how you go about doing things, whether or not you can work. 0.95

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:48.000 The work part is the hardest part.

00:57:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:50.000 So many people find excuses for not getting things done.

00:57:53.000 It's like, you just gotta work.

00:57:54.000 You gotta focus.

00:57:56.000 I mean, truth be told, I'm giving my career a whole makeover because it hasn't been working since COVID especially.

00:58:04.000 But I'm just not making enough money on the road.

00:58:08.000 And I do feel like it's my fault.

00:58:12.000 There's a lot of factors.

00:58:14.000 But with that said, I had those feelings of...

00:58:21.000 Like a lot of sadness around it for a little while and just like defeat and I felt really sorry for myself and then I've been learning logic which is a you know recording production program and it's so fun and I love it and I'm getting better and better at it and just finding like re-empowering myself with the things I can control.

00:58:42.000 But the things like filling a room across the country.

00:58:47.000 I'm in the torso part of the music industry, club area where I could do okay if it were the old days where people were always coming out.

00:58:58.000 But for some reason, the last year, they just weren't.

00:59:02.000 Not for me.

00:59:05.000 Maybe my music wasn't good enough.

00:59:07.000 I don't know.

00:59:08.000 It's hard to get the word out there these days for some reason.

00:59:12.000 But either way...

00:59:14.000 I did those things.

00:59:15.000 Like, I was mad.

00:59:15.000 And I was like, well, it's this.

00:59:17.000 It's because of this.

00:59:17.000 And because of this.

00:59:18.000 And because of this.

00:59:19.000 And I guess at the end of the day, none of that matters.

00:59:23.000 Because I'm just, like, so pumped to play music no matter where I am at this point.

00:59:27.000 Like, it's kind of that contemplate-your-death feeling of just, like, well, I'm having fun wherever I'm at.

00:59:34.000 And I've had a lot of fun thus far.

00:59:37.000 And, you know, the thing that I want, like...

00:59:42.000 I think I have it.

00:59:44.000 I think I already have it.

00:59:45.000 And if my music explodes into the universe, great.

00:59:50.000 And if I just keep getting to do what I'm doing, that's great too.

00:59:54.000 But performing is kind of like, I don't know.

01:00:03.000 Performing and seeing live performances feels essential to me.

01:00:07.000 You need to go out there and do your thing.

01:00:11.000 Well, once you experience it and experience that sort of transcendent moment of the whole crowd vibing with a song and really enjoying it, those are beautiful moments in life.

01:00:22.000 And the people that don't get to see them, maybe they forget or maybe they haven't experienced it.

01:00:28.000 But it enhances your life in a very unique way.

01:00:31.000 And musicians like yourself and so many others, they provide a thing that if you guys didn't provide it, the world would be less fun.

01:00:40.000 It'd be less exciting.

01:00:41.000 It'd be less cool.

01:00:43.000 You know, it's beautiful.

01:00:44.000 I hope I didn't contradict myself by being like, I'm making excuses.

01:00:48.000 No, you're looking at life and you're trying to figure yourself out.

01:00:50.000 Well, I think the difficult thing is like, I know myself.

01:00:55.000 I know who I am.

01:00:57.000 And when you feel limited with your extension of your abilities or yourself, it's a very confusing thing.

01:01:06.000 Because I'm not sure what is my fault and what is just the circumstance in the state of my industry.

01:01:14.000 Because it's such a moving target.

01:01:16.000 It's always changing.

01:01:18.000 And Jamie and I were talking earlier about TikTok. 1.00

01:01:20.000 And I was like, fuck. 0.99

01:01:21.000 It's like... 0.99

01:01:22.000 Okay, so you got to write the songs, and you got to record them and make them fucking awesome, and then you got to make sure you're doing TikTok, and keeping up on the stuff.

01:01:30.000 Are you TikTok'ing?

01:01:32.000 You know, I have an account.

01:01:33.000 I usually post videos of my dogs, because they're hilarious.

01:01:38.000 But I'll put some music on there from time to time.

01:01:41.000 I don't like feeling like I have to do it.

01:01:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:44.000 It's just, it's like another, like, fuck, okay, fine, you know. 1.00

01:01:48.000 The reluctant grasp of social media. 0.98

01:01:50.000 I think what I don't like about those things is I want to come by those honestly.

01:01:54.000 If I really feel like there's something funny I want to share, it's great because it's natural.

01:01:59.000 But I also don't like seeing all of the desperation on there.

01:02:04.000 Somebody caught a wave and then they keep trying to recreate that wave over and over and it's like, oh man... 1.00

01:02:10.000 Fuck, that's what you got, huh? 1.00

01:02:11.000 You got that one video with the goat. 1.00

01:02:13.000 And you keep posting the goat videos.

01:02:15.000 Goats are funny.

01:02:16.000 But what else do you got?

01:02:18.000 That's sort of where I feel a little disheartened by that stuff.

01:02:23.000 Well, it's the good aspect of no one curating things. 0.94

01:02:27.000 The good aspect of not having executives in charge is that people fuck up and they do things that aren't entertaining or they're needy or whatever.

01:02:36.000 But that's just... 0.96

01:02:38.000 Some people are awesome at it.

01:02:40.000 Some people just have a brain that's so well suited to performing in social media.

01:02:45.000 Right, right.

01:02:46.000 And I love those accounts.

01:02:48.000 So yeah, that's the upside.

01:02:51.000 And just sometimes like, you know, Like the things you're into, like falconry. 0.99

01:02:58.000 You could just follow all that shit. 0.98

01:03:00.000 See the most amazing owls. 0.99

01:03:02.000 With a lot of artists, you want to create, but then you want to be recognized for your creations.

01:03:08.000 And then you try to figure out, how do I get recognized more?

01:03:10.000 And what do I have to do?

01:03:11.000 And then you have to do things you don't want to do, like social media.

01:03:15.000 So I had a show in Chicago a couple months ago.

01:03:19.000 September, yeah.

01:03:21.000 And Chicago used to be a really big market for me.

01:03:24.000 And Honey Honey. 0.52

01:03:25.000 We used to just crush it.

01:03:27.000 And what's happening now is...

01:03:30.000 So you get the word out about your shows through social media.

01:03:36.000 Or, you know, radio, if that's whoever listens to the radio.

01:03:40.000 And then the promoters that are promoting the show are using the same tools that you are.

01:03:44.000 And so I went to, like, you have to pay to boost your posts on Instagram, but you also have to be approved before you pay for the boost.

01:03:53.000 So I had like a flyer about my show in Chicago.

01:03:57.000 And I got denied to boost it, to geo-target the area.

01:04:02.000 And I don't know why, so I couldn't...

01:04:05.000 Did you post any COVID stuff?

01:04:08.000 No.

01:04:09.000 I hadn't in a while.

01:04:12.000 You might have got put on a list. 0.99

01:04:14.000 I stopped talking about shit. 0.99

01:04:15.000 You might have got put on a list. 0.99

01:04:16.000 This is probably where I'm going to get in trouble, because I've been like...

01:04:19.000 No, it wasn't anything like that.

01:04:23.000 But you did before.

01:04:26.000 I think I posted one thing that was, I can't remember, but it was like a logical thing about the vaccine of like, well, if I can still get COVID and spread COVID, why do I need the vaccine?

01:04:36.000 I think that's all you need to do to get put on a list.

01:04:38.000 But there's other cities where I've been able to geotarget and boost my posts.

01:04:42.000 So for some reason, it just wouldn't let me.

01:04:44.000 Maybe it's Lori Lightfoot.

01:04:45.000 Maybe she's blocked you from promoting.

01:04:49.000 Anyway, like it was just, yeah, you know what?

01:04:51.000 You're probably right.

01:04:52.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:04:53.000 I don't know what the fuck the behind-the-scenes stuff is. 0.93

01:04:58.000 Elon posted on Twitter that people that have had their accounts removed and they're trying to get them back, they're not going to be able to do it for a while because they're going through the code. 0.97

01:05:06.000 They brought in a bunch of Tesla engineers to go over the code.

01:05:11.000 It's crazy.

01:05:12.000 It's amazing.

01:05:13.000 We're bringing in rocket scientists to fix Twitter.

01:05:16.000 But apparently during this time, the content moderation really hasn't changed.

01:05:19.000 It's the same sort of algorithm that are in control of content and posts.

01:05:24.000 And so a lot of people are like, God, everything's different since Elon came on board.

01:05:27.000 So he made a post.

01:05:28.000 Like, nothing has changed.

01:05:29.000 We haven't changed anything about content moderation.

01:05:32.000 They don't have the same people behind the scenes.

01:05:36.000 They fired everybody.

01:05:37.000 I saw that.

01:05:38.000 Did you hear about the two guys that trolled?

01:05:41.000 Yes.

01:05:43.000 That's so brilliant. 1.00

01:05:45.000 That's the kind of TikTok shit I want to see. 0.99

01:05:48.000 Really, really innovative minds. 1.00

01:05:50.000 They pretended they were employees.

01:05:51.000 I've got to get home to my husband and my wife.

01:05:56.000 No, but it was like they had some sort of name that was like a Heywood Jablomi or something.

01:06:00.000 Like they put their names together and it was something like that.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:06.000 I love that shit. 1.00

01:06:07.000 Well, it's just a fun time to goof on people. 1.00

01:06:10.000 It is. 1.00

01:06:10.000 Because so many people are so goddamn serious and stupid. 1.00

01:06:13.000 Wow. 1.00

01:06:15.000 And here we are. 1.00

01:06:16.000 Here we are, being serious and stupid. 1.00

01:06:18.000 Yeah, we're not contributing. 1.00

01:06:20.000 We're just droning on and on about the same.

01:06:23.000 But that's life.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:25.000 Life's good, though.

01:06:26.000 In its simplest form, like the littlest things.

01:06:29.000 When you said you retooled your career, what did you do?

01:06:32.000 I'm retooling it now.

01:06:33.000 What are you doing?

01:06:34.000 Well, I'm making new music and taking more control from the actual recording side of things so I don't need to depend on other people to make music.

01:06:46.000 I can do it on my own.

01:06:47.000 Did you and Gary record Midnight Rider?

01:06:50.000 So, well, yes, but no. 0.81

01:06:52.000 I recorded the track with Elijah Ford and J.J. Johnson, his drummer and bass player, who are fucking awesome.

01:06:59.000 And, you know, Gary's working on his record right now, so I don't want to bother him too much, but we, like, made a track, which is awesome.

01:07:07.000 I could play you what we have, but I really just want to send it to you in its full form.

01:07:12.000 But Gary really likes it.

01:07:13.000 So he's just going to add his stuff to it, which is going to be epic.

01:07:19.000 And no pressure, Gary, but we've talked about it in public now.

01:07:25.000 Well, when you guys did that, that one night that we went out, it was, who put together that party?

01:07:31.000 Some liquor company?

01:07:32.000 Jameson.

01:07:33.000 Jameson.

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 So we went out.

01:07:34.000 It was like, what is it, like a Monday or a Tuesday in downtown LA? Something like that.

01:07:41.000 And you guys and Gary on stage and you're singing the lyrics off your phone because you don't know the lyrics.

01:07:48.000 I didn't know.

01:07:49.000 Well, I knew the first verse and then the other. 0.99

01:07:51.000 Yeah, anyway, I got a lot of shit for that. 0.94

01:07:53.000 Well, the people thought you were reading your text messages. 1.00

01:07:56.000 Who the fuck would do that? 1.00

01:07:57.000 That's so dumb. 1.00

01:07:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:58.000 Well, who the fuck would sing a song that they literally haven't practiced ever and then do it that way? 1.00

01:08:04.000 You guys did, but it was amazing. 1.00

01:08:06.000 It was such a great version.

01:08:08.000 It was fun.

01:08:09.000 And Gary's sound is so distinctive.

01:08:12.000 Like, you hear a riff and you're like, oh, that's Gary Clark Jr. He's the best.

01:08:16.000 And he's such a great dude.

01:08:18.000 Yeah, I love Gary.

01:08:19.000 I love watching him play.

01:08:20.000 He's a magic person.

01:08:21.000 Yeah, he's very special.

01:08:22.000 Yeah, there's people that are just magic. 0.65

01:08:24.000 They just have a thing and it just works and he's so cool and so calm and so fucking talented.

01:08:31.000 And when he starts playing, that sound is...

01:08:33.000 It's just amazing to me that someone can take a guitar and so many people play guitar, but when he plays the guitar, it's him.

01:08:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:41.000 It's his sounds coming through that guitar and you can tell almost immediately.

01:08:46.000 But also, like...

01:08:47.000 His voice is incredible.

01:08:49.000 It is beautiful.

01:08:51.000 And he can sing in so many different ways.

01:08:57.000 I did a couple shows with him last year, and I loved watching him play.

01:09:01.000 And the whole band.

01:09:02.000 He's got a great band.

01:09:05.000 The whole thing is put together so well, and it's really fun to watch.

01:09:10.000 Yeah.

01:09:11.000 No, it's exciting.

01:09:13.000 And it's exciting that he's here.

01:09:15.000 You know?

01:09:16.000 This is his hometown.

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:18.000 I remember talking to him before the COVID thing when he moved back.

01:09:21.000 He moved back before COVID. He moved here.

01:09:24.000 He's like, man, I just can't do LA anymore.

01:09:25.000 Oh, from LA? Yeah.

01:09:26.000 They've been back for a while, I think.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 He's like, I just can't do this place anymore.

01:09:31.000 It got dark.

01:09:33.000 Yeah.

01:09:33.000 Like, once again, Joe, thanks for encouraging me to move to Austin, because my whole life changed in so many incredible ways.

01:09:43.000 But I didn't know how bad LA was until I left.

01:09:47.000 And I mean, it was getting bad when I was there.

01:09:49.000 Like, I was chasing people out of my yard.

01:09:51.000 Like, I lived in Silver Lake, and it was just dangerous.

01:09:56.000 And then just on top of that, like this collective angst that you just couldn't, you could not get away from.

01:10:03.000 Yeah, the collective angst was the scariest thing to me because it's like so many people had adopted it.

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:08.000 And it seemed like the tone...

01:10:09.000 That's the weird thing about traveling is you get to see the tone of a city. 0.99

01:10:13.000 Like Tom Segura was just talking about Toronto and that he was in Toronto a few months back where people still had to wear fucking masks. 0.99

01:10:19.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:10:20.000 Still.

01:10:20.000 That's so crazy.

01:10:21.000 They had a mask mandate.

01:10:22.000 He's like, this is insane.

01:10:23.000 And then he went back to Toronto after the mask mandate.

01:10:26.000 And he's like, you could feel like this lifted something off of people.

01:10:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:31.000 Well, I mean, you know, when you moved here, like, wasn't Austin only locked down for like three months and then they were just back up and running?

01:10:38.000 Yeah, pretty quickly.

01:10:39.000 Yeah.

01:10:40.000 Yeah.

01:10:41.000 It's just a more logical approach.

01:10:43.000 And the problem is there was so much pushback against that logical approach that was incorrect.

01:10:48.000 So many people are saying, you're going to kill us all.

01:10:50.000 Right, right.

01:10:51.000 Not true.

01:10:51.000 Well, that was that maneuver, too, when I moved here, was me trying to regain my own intellectual integrity.

01:11:02.000 I was like, what thoughts are my own?

01:11:04.000 In LA, it's such an echo chamber of flagrant emotions and angst, like we said.

01:11:13.000 I didn't realize it until I left.

01:11:15.000 I was just suffocated.

01:11:20.000 Even creatively, I didn't write the whole year of COVID. I didn't write one song, which is like, I write all the time.

01:11:27.000 What did you do?

01:11:31.000 I, like, really worked on myself.

01:11:33.000 Like, I meditated and was, like, reading all the books and, you know, having my, you know, dark nights of the soul.

01:11:41.000 Sometimes that's good, too, though.

01:11:42.000 It was hardcore.

01:11:43.000 Like, I was in a very low place.

01:11:46.000 Very, very low.

01:11:47.000 And for, like, in the best way.

01:11:50.000 Because I just...

01:11:51.000 I mean, like, I was there for almost 20 years.

01:11:54.000 I was there for...

01:11:56.000 18 years, save for two years in Nashville.

01:12:00.000 And I mean, you know, I came here to visit you and see you guys perform at Stubbs.

01:12:07.000 And then I was like, I really like this place.

01:12:09.000 And I expected to be lonely for a while.

01:12:13.000 Like I really thought like, it would be like when I moved to LA, like I didn't have good friends for like two years.

01:12:18.000 Like I didn't find my friends, the kind of people I like, you know.

01:12:22.000 And like, just from the jump, I was just making all these friends.

01:12:25.000 And then I met Nick three weeks here.

01:12:28.000 And it was just, it was beautiful.

01:12:31.000 I was like, freedom!

01:12:35.000 I just got to live again in a way that is very natural to my person and, you know, just the things I'm into.

01:12:44.000 Well, we're just very lucky that there's a place like this that exists, that you could go that was different.

01:12:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:12:48.000 That people weren't in captured with the fucking angst that LA and fucking the fog. 0.99

01:12:53.000 I mean, you still have it here, but it's in these little pockets. 0.99

01:12:57.000 It's cute when you see people walking on the street with a mask on. 0.98

01:13:00.000 I was at a grocery store in a neighborhood the other day and there was like 10 people with masks in the grocery store and I was like, what the fuck's going on here? 0.99

01:13:09.000 It's the Democrats' MAGA hat. 0.99

01:13:12.000 Oh my God.

01:13:14.000 That's what it is.

01:13:15.000 They're letting you know.

01:13:17.000 I'm on the good team.

01:13:18.000 Oh my God.

01:13:19.000 That's what it is.

01:13:20.000 And they don't want to take it off because it's an identity point.

01:13:22.000 The thing is, I have empathy for people's fear.

01:13:27.000 I almost want to be like, it's going to be okay.

01:13:30.000 I want to hug them.

01:13:31.000 Be like, hey, you're going to be fine.

01:13:33.000 But it's not just their fear.

01:13:35.000 It's an identity thing.

01:13:36.000 It's a flag.

01:13:37.000 Yeah, of course.

01:13:37.000 Yeah, they're wearing a flag on their face.

01:13:39.000 Mm-hmm.

01:13:40.000 But I've also had, like, a ton of people wear their masks and be totally fine talking to me, like, not offended, you know?

01:13:47.000 That part's always funny to me.

01:13:49.000 Like, if you have a mask on and they're, like, giving you the look of, like, why aren't you wearing one?

01:13:55.000 Well, if you have one, then you should be fine. 0.99

01:13:57.000 Well, it's also, it's like, at this point, what the fuck? 0.99

01:14:00.000 Are you not listening at all? 0.99

01:14:01.000 Are you not reading anything?

01:14:03.000 You're not paying attention at all?

01:14:06.000 I mean, one of the reasons why I got really into fiction recently, and I've been reading all these Gray Man books and all these fiction books, is because it's escapism.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, of course. 0.96

01:14:16.000 Because the nonfiction that I was reading was fucking terrifying. 0.87

01:14:19.000 I got deep into the real Anthony Fauci book. 0.99

01:14:21.000 I was like, I've got to put this fucking thing down. 0.99

01:14:23.000 I told you about that. 0.99

01:14:24.000 Nick and I talked about it when we went to that dinner with Jordan Peterson, and I started getting into it, and I was like, oh my god.

01:14:31.000 Yeah.

01:14:32.000 And undeniable facts.

01:14:33.000 This is not like...

01:14:35.000 You've got to take breaks from that stuff.

01:14:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:14:37.000 That book is long as fuck and filled with horrific details. 0.98

01:14:40.000 Yes. 1.00

01:14:41.000 Yes, it is.

01:14:42.000 But listen, I don't think nonfiction is just escapism.

01:14:45.000 Like, nonfiction reinvigorates your vocabulary, your own creativity.

01:14:50.000 It gives you a boost of a story, you know?

01:14:55.000 And I actually use that as, like, if I'm really depressed or I'm super anxious and I can't hold a thought, I set a timer and I make myself read a book for, like, 20 minutes.

01:15:07.000 Mm.

01:15:08.000 And I mean, it's almost instant that I snap out of whatever funk I was in.

01:15:13.000 But it's very grounding.

01:15:15.000 It's not a device.

01:15:17.000 It's not an electronic device.

01:15:18.000 And I just love to learn, even if it's a fictional story.

01:15:24.000 I think it's very healthy.

01:15:26.000 Well, it's good to absorb other people's ideas.

01:15:28.000 It's good to absorb other people's writing, their work.

01:15:32.000 You get a part of their perspective through their work, too.

01:15:36.000 It's not just the facts.

01:15:38.000 I like both.

01:15:39.000 I like fiction just for, I don't want to think about reality.

01:15:43.000 I just want to get carried away by a story.

01:15:45.000 Right.

01:15:46.000 But I also like nonfiction.

01:15:47.000 It's just like, the problem was that the nonfiction I was leaning into was all just, it just filled me with dismay.

01:15:55.000 Sure.

01:15:55.000 And anger.

01:15:56.000 Yeah, you gotta balance it out.

01:15:57.000 That book is frustrating.

01:15:59.000 It's tough.

01:15:59.000 The real Anthony Fauci is frustrating.

01:16:00.000 I actually haven't finished it because I was starting to get really depressed. 0.98

01:16:04.000 It's fucking depressing. 0.98

01:16:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:16:05.000 When they get to the part where they were experimenting with HIV vaccines on foster kids, what the fuck? 1.00

01:16:12.000 And yeah, it's airtight. 0.99

01:16:14.000 It's all airtight.

01:16:15.000 You can't dispute it.

01:16:16.000 It's irrefutable.

01:16:17.000 The problem is people want to paint Robert Kennedy Jr. as a conspiracy theorist.

01:16:23.000 Like, You go ahead and do that, but there's a reason why he's not getting sued for that book.

01:16:27.000 It's because they have all of the citations, and it's all documented.

01:16:31.000 And it's not even politics.

01:16:32.000 He's a lifelong Democrat.

01:16:34.000 There's no two ways around that book.

01:16:36.000 It's tough.

01:16:38.000 But again, there's that...

01:16:42.000 Anybody, you could just lose yourself in all that stuff. 0.99

01:16:45.000 And it's like this balance of, I want to know about that stuff, but I also don't want to lose my fucking mind. 0.99

01:16:51.000 Because you can. 0.99

01:16:53.000 It's so dark.

01:16:54.000 A lot of people do.

01:16:54.000 A lot of people go from that to the next one, to the next one, to the next one.

01:16:58.000 And if you just only look for corruption...

01:17:01.000 And just horrible abuses of power.

01:17:05.000 There's so many examples of it.

01:17:06.000 And you could really think that this is affecting your life more, even so than it is.

01:17:11.000 Because it's your primary focus.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.97

01:17:14.000 You go crazy. 0.98

01:17:15.000 Yeah.

01:17:16.000 No, I take lots of breaks.

01:17:17.000 Yeah, you gotta take breaks.

01:17:18.000 So I'm into this whole Greek mythology.

01:17:20.000 And also, Norse gods.

01:17:22.000 I read American gods.

01:17:24.000 Neil Gaiman's book.

01:17:25.000 They made a TV show about it.

01:17:27.000 But it's really...

01:17:29.000 It's actually, you know, kind of ironic because it's about the old gods versus the new gods and the new gods are like the god of TV and the gods of cell phones and like, you know, technology.

01:17:41.000 What is it?

01:17:42.000 I mean, it's a fictional book about gods living among us, but the old gods have lost their, like they're dying because they're not, no one cares about them anymore.

01:17:54.000 What are the old gods?

01:17:58.000 Chivalry?

01:17:58.000 No, no.

01:17:59.000 I mean, it's like they use actual gods.

01:18:02.000 Norse gods.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, Norse gods like Odin and stuff like that.

01:18:05.000 But is he Odin?

01:18:07.000 They give him another name.

01:18:11.000 But it's really like...

01:18:13.000 I don't know.

01:18:14.000 I just love like archetype kind of comparisons and, you know, just as something that I don't know why I'm drawn to it.

01:18:21.000 But I really enjoyed that book.

01:18:25.000 And it had this great quote that I think is Neil Gaiman's own words, which is, every hour wounds, the last one kills. 0.98

01:18:36.000 And it's like, man, that's fucking good. 0.98

01:18:39.000 That's a little depressing. 0.99

01:18:40.000 It's pretty depressing.

01:18:42.000 Every hour?

01:18:43.000 Every hour wounds, the last one kills.

01:18:46.000 Okay.

01:18:46.000 I know.

01:18:47.000 We're going to be okay.

01:18:48.000 Jesus, are we?

01:18:50.000 I mean, overall, it's pretty good.

01:18:52.000 And the show's pretty good.

01:18:54.000 It has Ian McShane, who's like one of my favorite actors.

01:18:57.000 But anyway.

01:18:59.000 What's that on?

01:19:00.000 It's on...

01:19:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:03.000 Is it good?

01:19:06.000 I've enjoyed it.

01:19:07.000 I haven't finished the show, but it's pretty good.

01:19:11.000 Okay. 0.99

01:19:11.000 There's too many fucking things to watch. 0.99

01:19:14.000 There's too many things to watch. 1.00

01:19:16.000 Yeah, you could...

01:19:17.000 Gotta make a list.

01:19:18.000 That's the thing that happened during COVID, right?

01:19:19.000 So many people caught up on so many different shows.

01:19:22.000 Everything, yeah.

01:19:23.000 This is an unprecedented time for entertainment.

01:19:26.000 Oh, sure.

01:19:26.000 But it's just so much of it, unfortunately, is very limited.

01:19:31.000 I get kind of anxious when I watch too much TV because I need to do other things with my brain.

01:19:37.000 Recently, started doing puzzles.

01:19:39.000 Really?

01:19:40.000 Yeah.

01:19:40.000 Like regular puzzles?

01:19:41.000 Like a thousand piece puzzle, which is, it's a lot of work.

01:19:47.000 But like, like started the puzzle, couldn't stop thinking about it.

01:19:51.000 I'm like doing other things, going to the gym, can't stop thinking about that puzzle.

01:19:54.000 I got to get back to it.

01:19:55.000 I got to finish that thing.

01:19:56.000 I've never had that problem.

01:19:57.000 Super weird. 1.00

01:19:58.000 I look at puzzles and I'm like, this is stupid. 0.99

01:20:00.000 No, I love it. 0.99

01:20:02.000 You feel that way too, Jamie?

01:20:03.000 You don't?

01:20:05.000 Now, there's a cool, there's a couple, I think if there's one big YouTube channel, this guy, like, buys the most expensive puzzle you can find.

01:20:11.000 Yeah. 0.92

01:20:11.000 And it'd be, like, this block, and you'd be like, well, how the fuck do you open this? 0.92

01:20:14.000 And he'll spend five hours trying to figure out how to open it and show you the whole thing. 0.69

01:20:17.000 Yeah, great. 0.97

01:20:18.000 He fast-forwards past all the boring shit, but, like, it's interesting. 0.99

01:20:22.000 Okay, that's a different kind of puzzle, right? 0.98

01:20:24.000 Yeah, but what she's saying to, like, all blue, like, they'll just know it's, uh, all the puzzle pieces are the same shape, basically.

01:20:30.000 They cut them the exact same.

01:20:31.000 Oh, my God.

01:20:32.000 So it's, like, impossible to figure out.

01:20:33.000 Oh, no, that would break my brain.

01:20:35.000 But also, I want to know about it.

01:20:37.000 Yeah.

01:20:38.000 I skipped ahead the jigsaw stuff.

01:20:40.000 It's meditative.

01:20:41.000 And, you know, you can also, like, listen to a podcast and do it.

01:20:45.000 Like, there's something about...

01:20:46.000 There's some sort of reward in putting it together when it's a mess and organizing it.

01:20:53.000 And, you know...

01:20:57.000 It's a strategy for Nick and I, too.

01:20:59.000 We do it together because there's a project-oriented bonding thing.

01:21:04.000 Right.

01:21:05.000 You're working together for a goal.

01:21:06.000 Yeah, but I really enjoy it.

01:21:08.000 It's supposed to be an exercise, but I was like, when are we getting another puzzle? 1.00

01:21:11.000 I fucking love this shit. 0.99

01:21:12.000 When you write, if you write music, do you have a process that you go through? 1.00

01:21:18.000 Do you just have a thought in your head when you're writing a song?

01:21:20.000 Do you sit aside and say, I'm going to write from 9am to 11am?

01:21:25.000 How do you do it?

01:21:26.000 Both of those things.

01:21:28.000 The more you stick to a schedule and keep chipping away at a song, the better and better it gets.

01:21:36.000 And then the easier it gets.

01:21:38.000 If I'm actively... 0.98

01:21:42.000 Working on lyrics as well as instrumental, it all starts to like piece together and sometimes old ideas from years ago that I've saved, I'll like Frankenstein a song together and it'll make sense, kind of like a fucking puzzle. 0.98

01:21:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:57.000 Oh my God! 0.99

01:21:59.000 Did we just have a eureka moment?

01:22:00.000 Yeah, we did.

01:22:01.000 But...

01:22:03.000 But yeah, the process is just to keep doing it.

01:22:07.000 And sometimes I'll get the lyrics for a song I was working on when I'm driving in my car and I have to voice record them.

01:22:16.000 It can also be kind of haunting because I'll have it stuck in my head, like a song I'm working on.

01:22:25.000 And then, like, I'll be, like, half awake in the morning and I'll be, like, singing it in my head.

01:22:30.000 And it feels like until it's done, just like this puzzle.

01:22:34.000 Oh, my God.

01:22:34.000 Like, I can't...

01:22:35.000 It's, like, in the back of my mind, like, it has to be finished.

01:22:37.000 Like, you have to keep going.

01:22:38.000 Like, you have to finish that.

01:22:41.000 So it'll keep me up at night sometimes.

01:22:45.000 But, yeah, it's, like...

01:22:50.000 A responsibility to keep doing it.

01:22:53.000 So my process is to keep doing it.

01:22:57.000 Just to write.

01:22:57.000 So you don't have very specific methods.

01:23:02.000 You don't have like, I'm going to sit down at 9am and have a cup of coffee.

01:23:06.000 Yeah, I do that.

01:23:09.000 And it's really good for me and my husband because he's a writer and he works from home.

01:23:14.000 So he goes to his area, I go to mine and like...

01:23:20.000 There's creative energy in the house.

01:23:22.000 Yeah.

01:23:23.000 Yeah.

01:23:23.000 And it's motivating, too, because, like, I know he's doing something amazing.

01:23:26.000 I'm like, well, I want to do something amazing, too.

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:30.000 But also...

01:23:32.000 That's what's great about that kind of environment.

01:23:34.000 Oh, I love it.

01:23:35.000 I love it.

01:23:35.000 The standards are higher.

01:23:36.000 Yeah.

01:23:36.000 And he's just so beautiful, creatively, intellectually, like books.

01:23:40.000 He's always giving me books, like, Suzy, you'd love this.

01:23:42.000 And, like...

01:23:43.000 I love his brain.

01:23:45.000 He's just so generous with everything he knows about, which is, I think, a very special quality. 0.96

01:23:53.000 He's not a dick about it.

01:23:54.000 He wants to share.

01:23:56.000 And I always want to learn.

01:23:59.000 But, you know, I'm learning this new program.

01:24:02.000 I'm learning Logic, which is like Pro Tools.

01:24:04.000 And that's been a different approach to writing because I'm building these tracks, which is really fun.

01:24:10.000 And then I'm writing the lyrics and the melodies to the tracks I've built, which I don't normally do it like that.

01:24:15.000 I kind of like sit down and figure it out with my guitar.

01:24:19.000 So I'm kind of writing like pop songs right now, which I'm not sure if they're for me or for others, but I enjoy the process.

01:24:26.000 What do you mean by you're not sure if they're for you or for others?

01:24:29.000 Because I can write songs for other people.

01:24:32.000 Do you do that often?

01:24:34.000 Not often, but it's something I'm starting to do, which is really fun.

01:24:40.000 That's what Sia did for a long time. 0.98

01:24:43.000 She was writing these hit songs.

01:24:44.000 And she also had Zero Seven, which is a band from, I think, the 90s.

01:24:49.000 And her own solo stuff, which was amazing.

01:24:52.000 But she exploded after she'd written a bunch of Hit songs for other artists, which I always thought was cool.

01:25:00.000 So when you're writing these pop songs, are you writing them thinking?

01:25:03.000 I don't even know if this is for me.

01:25:06.000 Or just creating?

01:25:08.000 No, you know, I'm just trying to get the idea out there.

01:25:10.000 I try not to pepper it with an outcome, because then it kind of feels like it's...

01:25:19.000 I don't know.

01:25:19.000 It just doesn't feel like the right place for me to come from when I'm making something.

01:25:23.000 I just want to formulate the idea and have it be beautiful as best as I can.

01:25:31.000 And you're just not even sure if it's for you?

01:25:34.000 Sometimes, yeah.

01:25:36.000 How would you know, though?

01:25:37.000 If you're writing it and you're performing it and you're creating it, and you're like, maybe this isn't even for me.

01:25:43.000 What gives you that feeling?

01:25:45.000 Is it that it doesn't fit with your image?

01:25:47.000 Is it that...

01:25:50.000 Maybe it's that, maybe it's like, I'll bet somebody else could really sell this.

01:25:55.000 You know, because then it becomes, you know, it depends.

01:25:58.000 Like, I don't even know what my image is, to be honest with you.

01:26:02.000 That's probably good.

01:26:03.000 Yeah, like, that's, I mean, I don't know, I was gonna say that's half the problem for me, is like, you can never fit me into a box.

01:26:08.000 Like, and that's always been difficult.

01:26:10.000 Like, people just say I play Americana music, but like...

01:26:14.000 I play rock and roll, and I also love synthesizers and all the stuff and, you know, and soul music.

01:26:21.000 And, you know, I don't know.

01:26:23.000 I think that's better.

01:26:25.000 I think, I mean, some of my favorite artists, like, they're so different from album to album.

01:26:29.000 Like, Sturgill's a great example of that.

01:26:31.000 He's great.

01:26:32.000 He's great.

01:26:32.000 He's so different from album to album.

01:26:35.000 He flips people on their head. 0.99

01:26:36.000 They're like, what the fuck is he doing now? 0.99

01:26:38.000 But he also has the... 0.99

01:26:40.000 I mean, he...

01:26:42.000 That...

01:26:43.000 the big record you know the first one like he has that that malleability to be able to do that you know um i mean i guess everybody does you can make whatever kind of music you want yeah you know but he you know what he does is he goes off grid and he got rid of his phone and he has a one of them simple phones now that's awesome all you can do is text him and it's only green yeah he can't get links It's only green.

01:27:08.000 Yeah.

01:27:09.000 He didn't get links.

01:27:10.000 I've wanted to do that.

01:27:11.000 I probably will at some point.

01:27:13.000 He's serious about it.

01:27:14.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 He's pretty disciplined about it too.

01:27:17.000 I think Jack White does that too.

01:27:17.000 Yeah.

01:27:18.000 I heard once that, I mean this is hearsay, that he doesn't even have a cell phone.

01:27:21.000 I think he just has email.

01:27:23.000 But, you know, that's the new punk rock I guess.

01:27:27.000 Well, there's a lot of people out there that are realizing that your brain is being captured by all these different things that are on your device, and it does occupy a lot of your time.

01:27:36.000 Yes, yes it does.

01:27:37.000 My phone broke once when I was in Hawaii.

01:27:39.000 We went to Lanai, and I dropped my phone, and it just started calling people randomly.

01:27:43.000 Like, you'd hang up on it or call a new person.

01:27:46.000 Hang up and call a new person.

01:27:47.000 And I was like, look at this. 0.57

01:27:48.000 This is nuts.

01:27:49.000 And so I realized it was broken, so I had to get a new phone, but we were on Lanai, and it took like Three or four days to ship it to me.

01:27:57.000 Yeah.

01:27:58.000 So I ordered it, and in three days, no phone.

01:28:00.000 How was that?

01:28:00.000 While I'm on vacation.

01:28:01.000 It was amazing.

01:28:02.000 Yeah.

01:28:02.000 I was like, I have this, like, giant wait.

01:28:04.000 It's the best.

01:28:04.000 But meanwhile, I couldn't wait to get back to prison.

01:28:06.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:07.000 To mental prison and get that phone.

01:28:09.000 That Stockholm Syndrome.

01:28:10.000 And check all the texts that I got that don't mean anything.

01:28:13.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 Falling in love with your captor, once again, Greek tragedy.

01:28:17.000 Once again.

01:28:18.000 Yeah, the little dopamine rush that you get from checking text messages and emails.

01:28:23.000 I always feel so dirty with that, like, oh, look at all those likes I got.

01:28:28.000 And I feel good about myself. 0.99

01:28:30.000 Damn it. 1.00

01:28:31.000 Yeah, the likes, that's a real fucking carrot at the end of the stick. 1.00

01:28:35.000 You know what I did enjoy? 0.96

01:28:37.000 And I try to, like, put, like, When I posted photos from my wedding, that was actually really cool.

01:28:45.000 Just like all the love and support.

01:28:49.000 It wasn't about my career or anything.

01:28:54.000 It was about the most important thing in my life.

01:28:56.000 And that was cool.

01:28:58.000 That's actual life.

01:28:59.000 That's what those things are supposed to be for.

01:29:01.000 Sharing actual real moments with people you actually care about.

01:29:05.000 The problem with social media is that it's intoxicating, and people get drunk off of it, and they just want to be dosed all throughout the day.

01:29:15.000 Well, I mean, man, I'll tell you what.

01:29:17.000 I am so worried about our kids.

01:29:20.000 We grew up with our own stuff, right? 0.99

01:29:22.000 I grew up in the 90s, and you would compare yourself to a magazine or something, or the popular girls at school, or whatever the fuck. 0.93

01:29:33.000 And now, like, every reflection of your face is on something that you can manipulate and look better on your phone, and you can change, like, your bone structure. 0.96

01:29:45.000 I mean, all that stuff. 0.96

01:29:47.000 Like, what a mindfuck of complexes. 0.99

01:29:50.000 It's definitely a mindfuck. 1.00

01:29:53.000 Also, just like your attention span. 0.99

01:29:54.000 I was talking with the guys outside about spelling, you know, that we're just suited up for so many bad spellers.

01:30:03.000 And, you know, because you have your autocorrect on your phone and you don't really write things out, like on a piece of paper with a pencil or a pen.

01:30:10.000 And, you know, those are...

01:30:11.000 Call me a traditionalist, but...

01:30:13.000 One of the things that people realized about AI and recognizing problem words and flagging things, if you write in cursive, AI doesn't pick that up.

01:30:21.000 Oh, nice.

01:30:21.000 So people are writing in cursive and then taking a photograph of that thing and then posting that.

01:30:25.000 So you could post messages about certain things.

01:30:28.000 I always write in cursive for the most part.

01:30:30.000 Do you really?

01:30:32.000 I journal a lot.

01:30:33.000 I love it.

01:30:34.000 When I write somebody a card, it's cursive.

01:30:36.000 It's not as neat as I would like it to be, but it's cursive.

01:30:41.000 It's exciting.

01:30:42.000 It's old-school, old-timey writing.

01:30:44.000 The calligraphy of today.

01:30:46.000 I know this sounds crazy, but I have to pee.

01:30:48.000 I have to pee, too!

01:30:49.000 Okay, so let's pee, and then we'll come back and play some music.

01:30:51.000 Okay, great!

01:30:52.000 We'll be right back.

01:30:54.000 Do you want to hear some music?

01:30:55.000 Sure.

01:30:57.000 So I told you I was going to play these songs that I haven't recorded or released, so this might be the only place you could hear them.

01:31:04.000 Okay.

01:31:04.000 Beautiful.

01:31:22.000 You tell me this is a dream But I'm grinding my teeth And spilling my cup in the backseat And pulling your hair You drive too slow Cause you don't care if we get there Will we ever get there?

01:31:49.000 Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out and lose your mind cause it's honest and it's all I ever wanted from you.

01:32:18.000 Go to sleep and make things easy on you But I'm not tired anyway And I don't wanna waste your day Or make your mistakes Or make your mistakes Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out And lose

01:32:49.000 your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted I can't take the question marks in quiet You can run me down like a riot Anything but the silence from you From you...

01:33:36.000 Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out And lose your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted I can't take the question marks in quiet You can run me down like a riot Anything but the silence New

01:34:29.000 guy, kind of 90s rock.

01:34:35.000 You want to hear another one?

01:34:36.000 Yeah.

01:34:37.000 Okay.

01:34:38.000 New or old?

01:34:39.000 Whatever.

01:34:40.000 Whatever you want to play.

01:34:51.000 What did it cost?

01:34:56.000 What did it cost?

01:35:09.000 Watching your goodness end You're punching concrete Flesh and stone meat Your beautiful body heart Running from open arms They're

01:35:56.000 my love.

01:36:30.000 I know what you paid You paid it in spades Pain like a hurricane Ruthless and devastated But you're upright and well Since crawling through hell Time

01:37:03.000 wounds us almost eight years.

01:37:09.000 It heals us in different ways.

01:37:15.000 Come and rest with me now.

01:37:47.000 If you want me to.

01:37:56.000 If you want me to.

01:38:29.000 What does it feel like when the song's over?

01:38:34.000 I don't know.

01:38:35.000 I mean...

01:38:36.000 It's, uh...

01:38:40.000 It's for you and whoever wants to hear it.

01:38:45.000 Yeah, it's weird because I only played that for my husband and a friend of mine.

01:38:50.000 It's kind of scary, I guess, because they're just little baby songs I just finished.

01:38:57.000 They might change, I don't know.

01:39:01.000 I try not to be too precious about it.

01:39:09.000 That's delicious.

01:39:11.000 I don't know.

01:39:12.000 I guess it's vulnerable, you know, like...

01:39:16.000 So that's kind of scary.

01:39:20.000 Do you ever think of who you would have been if you didn't discover music?

01:39:25.000 Oh yeah, I would have been living in Cleveland selling pizza and spaghetti at my family's restaurant.

01:39:30.000 Do you ever think about that?

01:39:33.000 It's tough.

01:39:33.000 There's things that happen in our lives and you get into that thing and then it changes who you are.

01:39:40.000 Well, you know, I was a teen model, and then I was an actor, and I was a working actor.

01:39:45.000 And I had, like, I lived in New York, and I moved to LA when I was almost 20. And I was doing pretty well in New York.

01:39:53.000 And then when I got to LA, I had to get to the back of the line of the acting world, and I... And my love for it had changed into desperation because I wanted to work.

01:40:05.000 I needed money.

01:40:06.000 And so when I think about if I'd stayed in New York, I feel like I might have done really well as an actor for a little while.

01:40:16.000 Who knows?

01:40:17.000 But I don't know what kind of person I would have become.

01:40:21.000 Because music is so different.

01:40:25.000 When you're acting...

01:40:27.000 You are employed by a company and a director and a writer and all the things that, like, you embody the thing, but it's not necessarily yours in a way.

01:40:39.000 You know, like, music is personal.

01:40:42.000 It's therapeutic.

01:40:45.000 It's...

01:40:49.000 A sincere outlet, you know, that is healthy in a lot of ways. 0.93

01:40:55.000 So I always wondered, man, would I have been a total dick if I'd made it as an actor? 0.93

01:41:01.000 Right. 0.92

01:41:05.000 Yeah, it's weird.

01:41:05.000 What about you?

01:41:06.000 Like, if you didn't do comedy, if you weren't acting when you were younger, like...

01:41:11.000 I'd be a mess.

01:41:13.000 Love watching you on news radio, by the way.

01:41:14.000 It's so fun.

01:41:15.000 It's so fun.

01:41:16.000 I'm like, that's my friend!

01:41:17.000 And, like, my daughter loves it.

01:41:19.000 Like, she's like, make sure you tell Joe how much we love news radio.

01:41:21.000 It's so weird to see a young me.

01:41:24.000 You were great.

01:41:25.000 It's so fun.

01:41:26.000 And that show was funny.

01:41:28.000 It was a good show.

01:41:28.000 It was really good.

01:41:29.000 Spoiled me for sure.

01:41:31.000 I went from being on a really bad show to being on that show.

01:41:33.000 What was the other show?

01:41:34.000 It was called Hard Balls on Fox.

01:41:36.000 Started off really good.

01:41:38.000 Really good writers.

01:41:39.000 Yeah.

01:41:40.000 These guys who wrote for The Simpsons.

01:41:42.000 They wrote for Married With Children.

01:41:43.000 And it was that classic story of the network getting involved and ruining it and putting on a hack executive producer. 0.97

01:41:51.000 Who had done a bunch of hacky sitcoms, like really clunky, shitty sitcoms.

01:41:55.000 And he just wasn't very good, and there was a lot of talented people on the show.

01:42:01.000 That's such a tough thing as an actor, too, because a job's a job.

01:42:04.000 Do you want to do that or do you want to bartend?

01:42:08.000 But then does that torpedo your career for a future...

01:42:11.000 It's just such a roll of the dice.

01:42:14.000 I didn't have any aspirations.

01:42:14.000 So I was extremely...

01:42:17.000 It was just luck.

01:42:19.000 It was 100% luck.

01:42:20.000 I didn't take any acting lessons.

01:42:22.000 I wasn't an actor.

01:42:23.000 No, I wasn't an actor at all.

01:42:25.000 Yeah, but you have that bold spirit that's, like, gonna take risks.

01:42:28.000 So, like, that is what an actor is.

01:42:30.000 Like, you're not, like, I mean, obviously, like, I'm sure you kept learning more about it as you did it, but, like, you know, like, committing to this story that's in front of you and, like, becoming this thing, like...

01:42:43.000 Yeah, well, my point was that it wasn't something that I was interested in doing.

01:42:47.000 It was something that was offered to me.

01:42:49.000 Total luck.

01:42:50.000 You were also doing comedy.

01:42:51.000 Yes.

01:42:51.000 Okay.

01:42:52.000 I was doing stand-up first.

01:42:53.000 Right.

01:42:53.000 And that's how I got a development deal.

01:42:55.000 Cool.

01:42:56.000 And they made me go to an acting coach in New York.

01:42:59.000 I went, like, a couple of times.

01:43:00.000 But it was very...

01:43:01.000 I didn't enjoy it.

01:43:03.000 It just felt weird.

01:43:04.000 Yeah.

01:43:05.000 You know?

01:43:05.000 And it's just like...

01:43:07.000 I've felt like the kind of acting, if you're talking about Daniel Day-Lewis acting, yeah, that is really fucking hard. 0.96

01:43:13.000 But if you're talking about me playing a dumbass on TV, I can do that. 0.96

01:43:17.000 I know how to perform. 0.98

01:43:18.000 It's not much different than stand-up.

01:43:21.000 It's like a next door neighbor of stand-up.

01:43:22.000 Because you're doing it in front of a live crowd and you're interacting with other people that are really funny.

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 Not that hard.

01:43:28.000 Yeah.

01:43:28.000 It's just different.

01:43:29.000 You just got to get used to doing it.

01:43:30.000 And I think the only way you really get used to doing it is like if you were doing it with other people.

01:43:35.000 Like an acting class like I was taking, I just don't know how effective that was.

01:43:39.000 But the point is, it's like when I was doing it, it wasn't something I wanted to do and it was terrible.

01:43:44.000 The show was terrible.

01:43:45.000 We all knew it was terrible.

01:43:47.000 And then, because of all the aforementioned problems that they had with it, and then right after that, that show gets canned, and then I get on news radio.

01:43:54.000 And I'm like, oh my god, this is like the greatest show.

01:43:56.000 How many seasons did you do?

01:43:57.000 Five seasons.

01:43:58.000 That's amazing.

01:43:59.000 Yeah.

01:43:59.000 We did four with Phil Hartman and one with John Lovitz.

01:44:03.000 And did that set up your life?

01:44:05.000 Like you could set up your finances?

01:44:08.000 Not really.

01:44:09.000 No. 1.00

01:44:10.000 No, because I was a moron and I spent every dollar I earned. 1.00

01:44:13.000 Copy that. 0.99

01:44:14.000 Isn't that such a thing?

01:44:15.000 I feel like they should teach.

01:44:16.000 Like no one taught me about money either.

01:44:18.000 I had to learn the hard way. 0.98

01:44:19.000 And that sucks. 0.66

01:44:20.000 That's such a valuable skill set to have. 0.98

01:44:23.000 One thing it did, it gave me freedom.

01:44:25.000 Like, because I had some money, I didn't worry about not having any money for food or rent or shit like that, which is like the real heavy expense.

01:44:32.000 The heavy thing over people's head is like their credit card debt, whatever debt they have.

01:44:36.000 And I remember when I first started making money, the first thing that I noticed was the lightness Life had a lightness to it because the stress of bills were off.

01:44:46.000 I was like, wow, how much is that weight you're carrying around your shoulders all the time?

01:44:50.000 Because it felt like physically, I felt like a weight was lifted off of me.

01:44:54.000 Of course.

01:44:55.000 Yeah.

01:44:56.000 That is like...

01:44:59.000 Sometimes, too, like, that's like a spiritual practice, too.

01:45:03.000 Like, you have to get out of that struggle mindset.

01:45:06.000 Because, like, think about, like, people that win the lottery and then spend it all in six months and go right back to where they were.

01:45:11.000 Like, it is, it's energy, you know, and it's acceptance and having a really interesting relationship with With yourself and what you view as needs, you know, like you think you need like I need that car.

01:45:25.000 I need this blah blah blah.

01:45:27.000 I need it. 1.00

01:45:27.000 You know all the shit that you really don't at all. 1.00

01:45:30.000 Mostly it's nonsense. 1.00

01:45:31.000 Nonsense. 0.95

01:45:32.000 Mostly nonsense.

01:45:33.000 You can enjoy some things that you like.

01:45:35.000 The idea that you don't enjoy like physical things like a piece of art like this thing.

01:45:40.000 Like I enjoy this thing.

01:45:41.000 This physical thing.

01:45:43.000 That's different.

01:45:43.000 Obviously because it's art.

01:45:45.000 But even, you know, there's stuff that people enjoy about wealth, but it's generally not worth the amount of effort that you have to apply to get those things.

01:45:56.000 What really is valuable is the things that you enjoy that make you happy. 0.97

01:46:01.000 Whether it's fly fishing or whether it's fucking... 0.98

01:46:04.000 Yeah, whatever your thing is. 0.99

01:46:07.000 The only thing that's going to make you happy is doing that thing.

01:46:10.000 The other stuff that comes with it, like the money and stuff like that, is like...

01:46:15.000 That can become a problem of its own for some people because you start concentrating only on that and making more of that.

01:46:20.000 And what do I have to do to maximize that?

01:46:22.000 And then that becomes a primary focus as opposed to like what you actually enjoy doing.

01:46:27.000 Well, and you know these people, right?

01:46:29.000 The people that like, they're very unhappy.

01:46:32.000 Yeah.

01:46:32.000 Like that is a lifestyle that is perpetual agony almost in some ways.

01:46:42.000 Like it's just like it's...

01:46:44.000 I don't know like you outgrow it and then you're like what are you gonna be like that old guy who's like you know on his boat with all the women like I am where does it go where do you go to the south of France with a diamond encrusted watch and you know you showing everybody what you have like what are you doing?

01:47:03.000 Well, there's that contemplate your death thing again.

01:47:06.000 It's nice to set up your family and make sure everybody's okay and provided for.

01:47:11.000 And it is freedom, but also it'll tear families apart.

01:47:14.000 Money will ruin people.

01:47:16.000 It's a very fickle thing.

01:47:19.000 It certainly can.

01:47:20.000 And the access to it.

01:47:22.000 Like family money, like if there's like some dude who owns some oil company and he's dying and all the family starts fighting over how much, you know, they're trying to get closer to dad and, you know, you know what she's been saying behind your back and like, what? 1.00

01:47:34.000 That cunt. 1.00

01:47:35.000 Yeah, no, I mean, it's ugly and sad. 1.00

01:47:38.000 Yeah, people are nuts when it comes to money and money.

01:47:42.000 I've seen it with the saddest ones when someone dies and the family's fighting with the boyfriend of the person who died or the girlfriend.

01:47:51.000 It's like, Jesus Christ.

01:47:54.000 They're squabbling over money.

01:47:56.000 And they have lawyers involved and lawyers are looking out for their best interests.

01:47:59.000 Everybody's trying to get a piece.

01:48:01.000 There's like that middle road for me of, because I've had my whole life, like, you know, except for now, which is so new for me in a way.

01:48:10.000 But like, feast or famine, like music is like you get a record deal and it's never even feast.

01:48:16.000 It's like you get like 30 grand and you live in LA and you have to split it and you get 1099. Right.

01:48:21.000 None of that works. 0.99

01:48:22.000 It all sucks.

01:48:25.000 I mean, when I was in Honey Honey, we would do months and months and months of touring and I would come back in the hole because it costs so much money to be out there. 0.96

01:48:37.000 But you're having this great experience and you're spreading your work and you get to do your work.

01:48:43.000 You're not starving, but you don't have your own apartment.

01:48:48.000 It's really interesting.

01:48:51.000 And I had to work really hard emotionally and spiritually on my relationship with my struggle as an artist.

01:48:59.000 And then getting over it, when I toured with Hosier, I was in his band, and that was the first time in my life, I made really nice money in that band.

01:49:13.000 And it set me up for my record, and it was the first time I really didn't worry, and that was only three years ago.

01:49:19.000 Wow.

01:49:22.000 You and Honey Honey together, particularly, gave me real insight into how difficult it is to make in the music business.

01:49:31.000 Because I always thought you just had to be talented.

01:49:37.000 It's weird what catches and what doesn't catch. 0.73

01:49:40.000 Because I remember the first time I saw you guys, I'm like, these guys are going to be fucking huge.

01:49:45.000 You know what, though? 0.72

01:49:45.000 There's so many different rewards with it, where it's like... 0.72

01:49:52.000 We've made so many great friends.

01:49:54.000 I've made so many wonderful friends.

01:49:55.000 I have these beautiful relationships with my extended family that I would never see if I weren't a touring musician.

01:50:02.000 My cousins in Atlanta, who I love so much, I would never have a relationship with these people if I didn't see them a couple times a year.

01:50:10.000 And they're wonderful.

01:50:13.000 There's all these other rewards and there are a lot of people that notice it, that notice like, oh man, I see you.

01:50:20.000 I see what's going on here.

01:50:21.000 And then there's other people that think that my life is glamorous or something.

01:50:25.000 You have the absolute wrong idea.

01:50:27.000 The music business is very hard.

01:50:29.000 There's kings, right?

01:50:31.000 There's like the Gary Clarks.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, he's a king for sure.

01:50:34.000 There's kings.

01:50:35.000 But he's a good king.

01:50:36.000 He's a great king.

01:50:37.000 He's one of the good ones.

01:50:38.000 He's one of the good ones.

01:50:39.000 He's one of the best ever.

01:50:41.000 Agreed.

01:50:42.000 There's Roger Waters.

01:50:44.000 There's people that can just sell everything everywhere.

01:50:47.000 But Roger came up in a very different time.

01:50:51.000 Even if you weren't Pink Floyd and you weren't Roger, you could still make a ton of money in some ways, depending on who you were and what kind of music you were playing, with one song.

01:51:04.000 Because records would sell.

01:51:05.000 Because people paid for it.

01:51:06.000 And you would get the money for it.

01:51:07.000 Yeah.

01:51:07.000 That changed everything.

01:51:09.000 That was the number one thing that enhanced some people's appreciation for music and killed record sales.

01:51:17.000 All in one thing.

01:51:19.000 It's a very double-edged sword, Spotify.

01:51:21.000 Well, it was way before that.

01:51:23.000 It was really Napster.

01:51:24.000 Yeah, Napster.

01:51:25.000 Napster was free. 0.96

01:51:26.000 I used to download all that shit and then fry my Dell computer with viruses because you'd get a clue on what's the new download service. 0.98

01:51:35.000 I remember all these tricks to override my computer so I could just burn that CD. Wow. 0.99

01:51:43.000 Yeah, I remember the Napster days and I remember like having like a personal agreement with myself that if I got something from Napster and it was good, I'd go buy the CD. Yeah.

01:51:53.000 So I'd make a personal agreement.

01:51:55.000 That's nice.

01:51:55.000 Well, I just felt gross because here I am, I'm on television and I've got Napster.

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 I'm getting stuff for free.

01:52:01.000 That's gross.

01:52:02.000 So I just...

01:52:03.000 Well, and you, but you're an artist, so you know the difference.

01:52:06.000 But also, P.S., like if there's someone that can't afford my music and they want to hear it, like please listen to it.

01:52:11.000 Like, At this point, some of it feels like an act of service, and I'm not mad at that.

01:52:20.000 I love to play music for people.

01:52:22.000 It's my favorite thing in the world.

01:52:24.000 And I keep getting better at it, so why would I stop?

01:52:29.000 I keep learning new things about my violin or my banjo.

01:52:34.000 I picked up my banjo for the first time recently, and I forgot how much I loved it.

01:52:37.000 And I used to play that thing every night.

01:52:42.000 It's just kind of...

01:52:43.000 At this point, in terms of artistic commodities and monetizing this stuff...

01:52:53.000 What I really care about is the human experience of that moment when you're having that connection and you're sharing this thing.

01:53:02.000 I have these gifts, right?

01:53:04.000 I'm going to call it that.

01:53:06.000 And they're meant to be shared, whether it's in my living room or in front of thousands and thousands of people.

01:53:13.000 And I've done both.

01:53:15.000 And it's great.

01:53:15.000 Yeah, the nature of it.

01:53:16.000 It's meant to be shared.

01:53:18.000 Mm-hmm.

01:53:19.000 And so, like, you know, extracting my ego from my expectations of what I thought it was going to be like, or, like, I have no idea.

01:53:27.000 I have no idea what the world's going to be like.

01:53:29.000 I mean, like, look at the last couple years.

01:53:31.000 Did any of us, like, anticipate?

01:53:33.000 We're on the brink of a nuclear war.

01:53:35.000 Oh, of course.

01:53:36.000 A hundred percent.

01:53:37.000 Nobody talks about that.

01:53:38.000 Nobody talks about that. 0.99

01:53:39.000 Nobody talks about the Nord Stream pipeline and all the shit and like, oh my God. 0.99

01:53:43.000 This is a wild time. 0.99

01:53:44.000 That's what I mean.

01:53:45.000 Like any chance I can have quality time with my friends and my family, like I want it.

01:53:50.000 Don't you think we got that out of COVID at the very least?

01:53:53.000 Absolutely.

01:53:53.000 Like if we can remember what it was like in the beginning days, because in the beginning days when everything was shutting down and we didn't know how long it was going to last and whether or not anything would come back to normal again.

01:54:02.000 There was this importance of what actually matters.

01:54:05.000 Your loved ones.

01:54:06.000 Yeah.

01:54:07.000 The people you care about.

01:54:08.000 Like, I had to resign myself to never doing stand-up again.

01:54:11.000 I was like, okay, I guess that's over.

01:54:13.000 Same.

01:54:13.000 I guess stand-up's over.

01:54:14.000 Did I tell you about when I was quarantined with my parents for five weeks in South Carolina in their gated community?

01:54:20.000 Yeah, you did.

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:20.000 And I would go for walks every night and just cry.

01:54:23.000 But, like, everybody's so friendly.

01:54:25.000 Yeah.

01:54:26.000 So I'd be like, hi, how are you?

01:54:29.000 I mean, I thought my life was over.

01:54:31.000 Yeah.

01:54:32.000 And then I was trying to find all my gratitude of like, man, I had so much fun.

01:54:36.000 And I did, and I do.

01:54:39.000 But like, you know, it's having the experiences that I got to have as a musician, man, what a treat.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:54:53.000 And again, I still get to have them as long as I can. 0.95

01:54:58.000 Yeah, you're really fucking good at it. 0.95

01:55:00.000 The show that you put on here at that private club was amazing. 0.92

01:55:03.000 Aw, thanks.

01:55:04.000 I thought I did a terrible job that night.

01:55:06.000 No, you were great.

01:55:06.000 You were great.

01:55:07.000 I don't get that much opportunity to see live music, even though it's here all the time.

01:55:13.000 You gotta do it.

01:55:13.000 There's so many great people in town.

01:55:15.000 It's fun.

01:55:16.000 I have to for my own head, too, I think.

01:55:18.000 You should go to Seaboy's sometime or Continental Club. 1.00

01:55:20.000 Yeah, I heard Continental Club's the shit. 1.00

01:55:22.000 All good. 1.00

01:55:22.000 I'd like to go to that. 1.00

01:55:26.000 Jimmy Vaughn plays at Seaboy's a bunch.

01:55:28.000 Oh, yeah?

01:55:28.000 Stevie Ray's brother, and he's great, and he's friends with Gary.

01:55:32.000 You know, Gary, last summer...

01:55:34.000 He brought us on to Blues on the Green, which was like, we played in front of like 30,000 people.

01:55:40.000 And it was so fun.

01:55:41.000 He's so great.

01:55:43.000 But Jimmy played, I played, a couple other folks played, and it was just like, the community here is spectacular.

01:55:52.000 It's so different from LA, it's different from New York, it's different from Nashville.

01:55:57.000 There's no song machine industry here in LA and New York.

01:56:04.000 It's its own thing.

01:56:06.000 It's really what Willie and all the highwaymen, it's maintained its integrity.

01:56:13.000 It's beautiful.

01:56:14.000 I'm so grateful to be a part of it.

01:56:16.000 I want to give all my best qualities to this city musically.

01:56:22.000 I'm so pumped to be here as a musician. 0.97

01:56:25.000 It's fucking great. 0.94

01:56:26.000 I feel the same way about comedy here. 0.97

01:56:28.000 Comedy here is very exciting.

01:56:30.000 Well, you brought a bunch of people with you, didn't you?

01:56:33.000 Like, you kind of redefined it.

01:56:35.000 Like, what was it before you came back?

01:56:37.000 Well, they had, like, a little scene.

01:56:38.000 They had a little scene, but when we decided, yeah, sure, when we decided to come here, it 100% changed everything.

01:56:46.000 We, uh, when we came here, you know, we brought...

01:56:49.000 Well, I was talking about your pastel cartel.

01:56:51.000 Oh, is that what you want?

01:56:51.000 Yeah.

01:56:52.000 I want some of this, too.

01:56:53.000 Maybe. 1.00

01:56:54.000 Maybe one hit before I get stupid. 1.00

01:56:57.000 Thanks. 1.00

01:56:57.000 The pastels calling you, huh? 1.00

01:56:58.000 A little bit.

01:57:00.000 There's this meme of me and Theo Vaughn.

01:57:05.000 He's so funny.

01:57:06.000 He's the best.

01:57:07.000 We're doing vapes.

01:57:08.000 And I go, how addictive is that thing?

01:57:10.000 He goes, very addictive.

01:57:12.000 And it's like a thing where people use that.

01:57:16.000 It's a voiceover.

01:57:17.000 So they lip sync to it.

01:57:19.000 Doing all kinds of things.

01:57:21.000 That conversation with Theo and I talking about vape pens.

01:57:24.000 He's so funny.

01:57:26.000 You got some fun friends.

01:57:27.000 I love Tony.

01:57:28.000 Theo's moving here.

01:57:29.000 Is he really?

01:57:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:57:30.000 Oh, my God.

01:57:31.000 So Tom Segura, Christina Pazitsky, Tony Hinchcliffe, Derek Poston, David Lucas, Hans Kim, William Montgomery, you know, Ron White, Duncan Trussell. 0.99

01:57:47.000 No shit. 0.98

01:57:47.000 Yeah, they all live here now. 0.98

01:57:49.000 I mean, we got a fucking army of... 0.99

01:57:51.000 So fun. 1.00

01:57:52.000 Hitters! 0.59

01:57:52.000 Yeah. 0.59

01:57:53.000 These shows that we were doing, we're doing one at the Vulcan tonight.

01:57:55.000 I'm doing The Creek in the Cave tomorrow.

01:57:57.000 We've been doing these shows. 1.00

01:57:58.000 They're fucking fun as shit. 1.00

01:58:01.000 It's great. 0.99

01:58:01.000 Yeah, and people are coming in from all over the world to these shows. 0.99

01:58:05.000 That's my dream, is to build a theater here on the other, the music, storytelling with Nick.

01:58:11.000 He could write a one-man show for Matthew McConaughey or something.

01:58:14.000 I mean, it's all...

01:58:16.000 At this point, thanks.

01:58:20.000 You know, at least for me, like, the old model is just, it's like, people were not coming out to shows this last year when I was touring.

01:58:29.000 I played a bunch of fun festivals.

01:58:30.000 It was awesome.

01:58:31.000 Loved it.

01:58:32.000 But you would rather have a place where you could just go all the time.

01:58:34.000 Yeah, I'd love, like, a Largo of the South, you know?

01:58:36.000 Like, that was LA. Like, Largo was a beautiful place.

01:58:41.000 I loved when I got to play there.

01:58:43.000 And, like, there's a lot of comedy, there's a lot of sketch.

01:58:48.000 Shows and things like that.

01:58:49.000 And I was a guest a lot, which was really fun.

01:58:52.000 I get to come in and play a couple songs and then peace out.

01:58:55.000 But, you know, in terms of like my family and, you know, I don't want to be away all the time. 0.98

01:59:02.000 And, you know, like you have to balance all that shit. 0.95

01:59:05.000 And I'm at that point in my life, which is such a blessing. 0.99

01:59:07.000 Like, I do not look at it as an obstacle.

01:59:10.000 Like, the...

01:59:13.000 Yeah.

01:59:33.000 Like, my priorities are them.

01:59:35.000 You're just trying to do your art.

01:59:36.000 And then...

01:59:36.000 If you could do your art locally...

01:59:38.000 It would be great.

01:59:39.000 For the most part.

01:59:40.000 Yeah.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, that's our idea of opening up the comedy club here, too.

01:59:45.000 Right.

01:59:46.000 Same thing.

01:59:46.000 Right.

01:59:48.000 And...

01:59:49.000 You're just like an old friend.

01:59:51.000 You just took a hit off that vape pen like it was an old friend.

01:59:54.000 It is an old friend.

01:59:55.000 Hello, old friend.

01:59:56.000 I don't know this one, but I like it.

01:59:58.000 Oh, it's a limited edition.

01:59:59.000 Oh, limited edition.

02:00:02.000 This is my kryptonite.

02:00:04.000 Yeah, that nicotine gets people.

02:00:07.000 Thanks, thanks, thanks.

02:00:08.000 You're a good friend.

02:00:08.000 It's a good shot.

02:00:09.000 It sure does.

02:00:10.000 It gives you like a woo!

02:00:12.000 Yeah, it's an interesting little woo.

02:00:14.000 But that one in particular than other ones.

02:00:16.000 It's so funny.

02:00:17.000 That one is everywhere.

02:00:19.000 Yeah, they're legit.

02:00:21.000 Are they?

02:00:21.000 I don't know.

02:00:24.000 I'm not sure.

02:00:26.000 I don't like its grip on me.

02:00:28.000 You said that so convincingly.

02:00:29.000 I don't know.

02:00:30.000 I don't know.

02:00:31.000 I'll be honest with you always.

02:00:32.000 Count on me for that.

02:00:34.000 I do.

02:00:35.000 Thanks.

02:00:38.000 Oh, man.

02:00:39.000 Yeah, we're both super lucky we found the thing we do.

02:00:41.000 It's a good life.

02:00:44.000 It is, but again, thanks for bringing me to Austin.

02:00:47.000 I'm so happy you came.

02:00:49.000 I'm so happy so many people listened to me.

02:00:51.000 I was like, listen, I think we got a way out of this.

02:00:53.000 Yeah.

02:00:54.000 But we got a banded ship.

02:00:56.000 And it was the right call.

02:00:58.000 It really was the right.

02:00:59.000 It's a hard call, but it's an exciting call.

02:01:01.000 Because when you do something new like that, and you go to a new environment, it gives you a chance to sort of rethink everything.

02:01:08.000 Rethink, reset, re-evaluate.

02:01:11.000 Everything is different.

02:01:12.000 The town's different, the people are different, the vibe's different.

02:01:15.000 You got a whole new sort of like reset of what your priorities are in life.

02:01:21.000 Yeah, well...

02:01:23.000 Man, I've never associated with the autopilot.

02:01:29.000 And even if I were in a place where I weren't doing what I do and having this kind of life, I would want to read.

02:01:36.000 I would want to learn a craft.

02:01:38.000 I would want to become a falconer.

02:01:41.000 True story.

02:01:43.000 I believe you.

02:01:46.000 Re-examine my life.

02:01:48.000 Contemplate my thoughts and, you know, really just grow. 0.98

02:01:54.000 Like, why the fuck not? 0.99

02:01:55.000 Right. 1.00

02:01:56.000 Why the fuck not? 0.99

02:01:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:58.000 There's just too much life to live.

02:02:01.000 And also, again, the more I stay away from my phone and all that stuff that takes away from my own agency and my person and just sit back and look around, I'm very lucky and I'm very grateful.

02:02:19.000 I really am.

02:02:20.000 Aziz Ansari was talking about that on stage the other night.

02:02:23.000 There's a video of it.

02:02:24.000 He has a flip phone now.

02:02:26.000 Good for him.

02:02:26.000 He's like, I got my brain back.

02:02:28.000 Yeah.

02:02:28.000 I got my mind back.

02:02:29.000 Yeah.

02:02:30.000 I mean, how long are you in the bathroom in the morning when you have your phone with you?

02:02:33.000 It's a lot longer than it used to be.

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:36.000 You get hemorrhoids from sitting on the toilet for too long.

02:02:39.000 It's bad for you.

02:02:42.000 I'll like spirit away when I'm like, I gotta pee.

02:02:44.000 And I'll just be in there sitting.

02:02:46.000 Yeah, forever.

02:02:47.000 And you can hear the videos or whatever I'm watching and I'll hear like, are you watching videos in the bathroom?

02:02:55.000 No?

02:02:55.000 It's embarrassing.

02:02:56.000 Leave it alone! 0.99

02:02:57.000 It's as embarrassing as someone asking you if they woke you up.

02:03:01.000 You're like, no, I'm awake.

02:03:02.000 Like, you always lie.

02:03:04.000 Always lie.

02:03:05.000 I was wide awake.

02:03:06.000 I'm wide awake.

02:03:06.000 Well, I talk in my sleep, and so I'll say something, and then I'll realize I said something, and then I'll try to justify it.

02:03:12.000 Like, I meant that.

02:03:13.000 Like, what I just said.

02:03:15.000 Like, nope, nope, nope, nope.

02:03:16.000 You're not going to make fun of me.

02:03:18.000 Talking in the sleep's a weird one.

02:03:20.000 I was singing in my sleep.

02:03:21.000 Really?

02:03:22.000 Out loud?

02:03:23.000 Yeah, I sang in my sleep.

02:03:24.000 And I woke myself up when I woke up Nick.

02:03:26.000 And he was like, shh!

02:03:29.000 And I almost went, you love this song!

02:03:33.000 That's hilarious.

02:03:36.000 Anyway, I talk in my sleep.

02:03:38.000 And then I try to make it make sense.

02:03:41.000 Because I'm embarrassed.

02:03:42.000 Back in my taekwondo days, I would have taekwondo dreams.

02:03:45.000 Really?

02:03:45.000 I would have kicking dreams.

02:03:46.000 I'd wake up kicking.

02:03:48.000 Sounds dangerous.

02:03:50.000 Yeah, I'd wake up like moving very fast in the sheets.

02:03:53.000 Yeah.

02:03:54.000 I was like programming my brain for Taekwondo competitions.

02:03:57.000 So when I was sleeping, I was having Taekwondo matches in my head.

02:04:00.000 That's hilarious.

02:04:01.000 It's true.

02:04:02.000 It's true.

02:04:03.000 I used to have kicking.

02:04:04.000 I'd wake up like in the middle of a kick.

02:04:06.000 Like my whole body would be moving like I was kicking.

02:04:09.000 Oh my God.

02:04:09.000 Yeah, while I was asleep.

02:04:10.000 Yeah, wow. 1.00

02:04:11.000 It was so stupid. 1.00

02:04:12.000 Programmed. 1.00

02:04:13.000 Yeah, but that's what it is.

02:04:14.000 It's like you're programming yourself for something.

02:04:18.000 Yeah, well, it's like the song thing.

02:04:21.000 Yeah, if you're singing, you're sleeping.

02:04:22.000 If you're thinking about your songs, and while you're sleeping, you're singing.

02:04:26.000 It makes sense.

02:04:27.000 Totally makes sense.

02:04:27.000 Because you're programming your mind to create songs.

02:04:31.000 I also do this thing, like, when there's a burgeoning confrontation on the horizon that needs to be had with somebody, I am having the conversation in my half-sleep, like in the wee hours of the morning, and it is like...

02:04:48.000 It feels haunting. 0.99

02:04:49.000 It's like, oh fuck, I finally gotta do it. 1.00

02:04:51.000 I gotta tell him. 0.99

02:04:52.000 I gotta say the thing I just have been avoiding.

02:04:55.000 It will keep me up at night.

02:04:57.000 Which feels really unfair.

02:04:59.000 I can't just ignore it.

02:05:01.000 It'll kick me upside the head until I take care of it and then I sleep like a baby.

02:05:05.000 It's the weirdest thing.

02:05:07.000 It's probably a good thing though.

02:05:09.000 Because if you could just go to sleep whenever you have like real conflicts going on, if they didn't bother you enough, maybe you'd never resolve them.

02:05:15.000 Correct.

02:05:16.000 You know?

02:05:17.000 Maybe that's like some people's problems.

02:05:18.000 They don't accept.

02:05:20.000 Maybe you don't learn how to accept it.

02:05:22.000 You don't learn how to like think about...

02:05:25.000 Interpersonal interactions and problems and issues.

02:05:28.000 I think that...

02:05:30.000 Disputes.

02:05:31.000 I think that's your spirit.

02:05:33.000 That's like, clean up.

02:05:35.000 Yeah.

02:05:36.000 Go clean up. 1.00

02:05:37.000 Your place is a fucking mess. 1.00

02:05:38.000 You're creating unnecessary negativity. 1.00

02:05:41.000 There's plenty of necessary negativity out there.

02:05:43.000 Yeah.

02:05:43.000 You don't need to create any unnecessary negativity.

02:05:46.000 Oh, 100%.

02:05:47.000 Yeah.

02:05:48.000 And that's like little pieces fall in place when you have conversations, when you're with people.

02:05:52.000 Like you put this there and then they put that there and then you're like, but what about this?

02:05:56.000 And then the next thing you know, like a totally unnecessary dispute takes place.

02:06:01.000 It's common things for humans.

02:06:03.000 Well, to be challenged is a gift in so many ways.

02:06:07.000 Because, like, what are you going to do with that?

02:06:09.000 What are you going to do with that, you know, conversation you don't want to have or that thing about yourself you don't like?

02:06:14.000 Like, you got to do something.

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:16.000 You know, because it's going to keep getting you.

02:06:18.000 And, like, I, you know...

02:06:28.000 Yeah.

02:06:37.000 And lately I've been so aware of my lineage, like my family tree, and like my parents, my grandparents, my great-grandparents, and me, and then, you know, my stepdaughter.

02:06:50.000 And, you know, if we have more kids, like where I sit in this line of generational personalities and habits and where I see the mistakes and where I want to make corrections.

02:07:01.000 And it's really powerful.

02:07:04.000 I mean, you really have to look at yourself and the things you don't like and the things you like or love.

02:07:09.000 And it's a really defining moment lately.

02:07:15.000 I just feel my, again, responsibility to what is most important.

02:07:24.000 And there's, like, I'm so proud to be from the family I'm from and, like, the kind of people.

02:07:28.000 And then there's so many things I'm like, oh, God.

02:07:31.000 You know?

02:07:34.000 And it feels like a real job to, like, heal generational wounds and bad habits.

02:07:41.000 And, yeah, I'm just like...

02:07:44.000 Because if I... Whatever I can do, I want to give the best things to my children.

02:07:50.000 You know?

02:07:55.000 Yeah, you're trying to be a good person.

02:07:58.000 But I come from this really long line of hustlers.

02:08:01.000 Like, my great-grandmother was a bookie.

02:08:03.000 My great-grandfather was a bootlegger.

02:08:06.000 My grandfather was a bookie and a prisoner of war for two years in World War II. Like, he was shot down from an airplane.

02:08:15.000 And, like, he was a waste gunner.

02:08:17.000 Like, one of the most dangerous jobs you could have.

02:08:21.000 And he got captured and, like, he survived an 82-day death march.

02:08:28.000 And, like, made it back home to Cleveland.

02:08:32.000 And...

02:08:34.000 Like, he married my grandmother, who was an excellent cook, and all the money he had from being a bookie, they built these restaurants in Cleveland with my grandma's recipes.

02:08:45.000 And it's amazing.

02:08:47.000 Like, the food's so good, and it's like my family legacy.

02:08:53.000 I'm just fascinated by those people and I feel really lucky to be their granddaughter. 0.98

02:09:01.000 Yeah, that's a fascinating fucking story. 0.99

02:09:05.000 It's pretty wild. 1.00

02:09:06.000 How did he survive?

02:09:08.000 Oh, man.

02:09:09.000 How did he survive the crash?

02:09:11.000 He parachuted out.

02:09:12.000 So he parachuted out, and then he gets captured.

02:09:15.000 Jesus.

02:09:16.000 Yeah.

02:09:17.000 So he never talked about his experience until he was almost 80. So he didn't tell...

02:09:24.000 Even my dad, nobody knew what my grandfather went through.

02:09:29.000 And...

02:09:32.000 He got inspired by somebody to finally tell us what he, like, to tell his family.

02:09:38.000 And he took a year doing voice recordings with his sister, I'm pretty sure it was my Aunt Rita, to tell a story.

02:09:47.000 And then, like, one day when I was in L.A. when I was 22, I got this book in the mail, and it was his, like, he gave it to our family so we could all know about What his experience in World War II was in being a prisoner of war.

02:10:01.000 I mean, I was bawling.

02:10:04.000 It makes me emotional just talking about it.

02:10:07.000 He had finally had this moment where he felt like it was okay to tell everybody.

02:10:11.000 And it was very polite and sanitized.

02:10:15.000 And then by the end of his life, he really wanted to talk about it more and more in greater detail.

02:10:20.000 But he carried one of his friends during that 82-day march because I can't remember where they were moving them, but it was, you know, like you walk for 82 days, like you can't stop to take a shit or pee, like you just, like, 0.95

02:10:35.000 he had dysentery, he had lice, like he was filthy.

02:10:39.000 And I, like...

02:10:42.000 Actually, shortly before he died, I went to visit him and he just wanted to talk and tell me these things.

02:10:51.000 I remember him saying to me, and he looked me in the eye, and he was like, you do not know filth.

02:10:57.000 You don't know filth.

02:10:59.000 And just being like, if you stopped, they killed you.

02:11:03.000 So you had to keep going.

02:11:05.000 And one of his friends, he carried him.

02:11:08.000 And I remember this old man, because my parents used to send us to Florida in the summers where my grandparents lived.

02:11:15.000 And we'd spend like two, three weeks with them.

02:11:17.000 And it was awesome, but, you know, Grandpa was usually watching The Sopranos with his headphones on, like, doing his own thing.

02:11:25.000 You know, they were so Italian.

02:11:29.000 But his old friend was, like, I remember, I think it was, like, I don't want to butcher this, but I think it was his friend, Mr. Dragonetti.

02:11:38.000 And...

02:11:39.000 They were friends until their very old age, and they had this experience together, this horrible experience.

02:11:49.000 But not to ramble on unless you want to hear more about it, I'm just so amazed at that experience. 1.00

02:11:56.000 Sacrifice and courage and bravery and and just fortune to survive and then have a life after that and then I think about Somebody posting their fucking video about working too long at Starbucks And I'm like fuck you. 0.99

02:12:11.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

02:12:12.000 Fuck your fucking feelings You're gonna be fine, you know people are very soft they are But there's that expression, I'd love to repeat it, that the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. 1.00

02:12:27.000 Yes, yes. 1.00

02:12:28.000 And it seems like microtransgressions are a big deal if that's all you're experiencing.

02:12:35.000 Yeah.

02:12:35.000 But if you've been through...

02:12:37.000 If you had a horrible life experience like your grandfather did, you'd have a completely different perspective about what's important in life.

02:12:44.000 Because that would be like the worst thing you could possibly imagine.

02:12:48.000 It's just like most people's...

02:12:50.000 We are very fortunate to live the way we live now.

02:12:54.000 Most of our interactions with other people are peaceful.

02:12:57.000 That's so rare in human history.

02:13:00.000 You know, I used to feel really strongly about And I still feel like this to a degree, but I used to feel really strongly about other people's experiences being really difficult for them.

02:13:12.000 Like, what's the worst for you is the worst for you.

02:13:14.000 And being like, man, that must be really hard for you.

02:13:16.000 I'm really sorry.

02:13:17.000 Not sorry, but like, I don't think that's a big deal, but it's a big deal for you or whoever you is.

02:13:25.000 But at this point, the reckless, flagrant emotions and encouragement to be soft and not grow from your journey and learn from your suffering, the encouragement to exploit your suffering is so foul to me.

02:13:43.000 You know, like, there's a way through.

02:13:45.000 It's not that.

02:13:47.000 And, like, I understand that those moments, like the video I was just talking about, where someone's having a hard day and complaining about, you know, their limited skill set in life, emotionally speaking, I kind of lost my empathy for that kind of thing.

02:14:07.000 Like, I just, like, we should know better than that.

02:14:12.000 Everybody's having a hard time.

02:14:13.000 Everybody's working.

02:14:15.000 The problem is social media.

02:14:16.000 Correct.

02:14:16.000 Because that would be a normal thing that a person would do.

02:14:18.000 Sure.

02:14:19.000 That would just be like a bad day. 1.00

02:14:20.000 Like fuck these hours at Starbucks and you would tell your friend. 0.99

02:14:22.000 But now you're telling your friend on TikTok. 1.00

02:14:24.000 Right. 0.72

02:14:24.000 And you're tagging people and people share it because it's ridiculous. 0.72

02:14:28.000 Well, it becomes this convoluted thing that is very influential and discouraging in terms of finding the way through.

02:14:37.000 Yeah.

02:14:38.000 So, okay, what are you going to do?

02:14:39.000 You're going to not work as much, and then you're not going to have as much money, and you're not going to be able to take care of yourself.

02:14:43.000 What does that mean?

02:14:45.000 Yeah, what does that mean?

02:14:52.000 It's so on its head.

02:14:53.000 But the worst thing that could happen...

02:14:56.000 Is that something would shake us out of it.

02:14:59.000 The worst thing that could happen was like a world event would shake us out of it.

02:15:04.000 Nuclear war? 0.75

02:15:04.000 Yeah, like a nuclear war. 0.75

02:15:05.000 Like no bullshit. 0.99

02:15:07.000 Like that's so possible right now. 0.97

02:15:09.000 It's so possible.

02:15:11.000 It's more possible than it has ever been in our lifetimes since the Cold War.

02:15:15.000 There's so many different ways it's going to happen, you know?

02:15:18.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:15:21.000 All of it is fucking super sketchy. 0.99

02:15:24.000 All of it is so... 0.98

02:15:26.000 It fills you with anxiety because you feel completely powerless to these world events that are going on.

02:15:31.000 Well, you're not powerless.

02:15:32.000 The best thing you can do is what you're doing.

02:15:35.000 Keep making comedy and keep making music.

02:15:39.000 That's the best you can do.

02:15:40.000 And also, P.S., you are...

02:15:44.000 Like, you're one of the best ones for the platform for getting people informed or inspiring people and just hanging out with your friends.

02:15:52.000 Like, you have the whole one-stop shop.

02:15:55.000 So technically, you're doing a lot.

02:15:58.000 Me?

02:15:58.000 I'm just writing songs in the basement.

02:16:00.000 Hell, you're doing a lot while you're on here.

02:16:02.000 But it's not even doing a lot.

02:16:03.000 It's like what most people would be doing.

02:16:05.000 They could just talk to each other.

02:16:07.000 The beautiful thing about being able to do this show is just to be able to talk to people.

02:16:11.000 All sorts of different people.

02:16:12.000 I had a farmer on yesterday.

02:16:14.000 Really? 0.99

02:16:14.000 He was fucking fascinating. 0.99

02:16:16.000 Where? 0.99

02:16:17.000 Will Harris from White Oaks Pasture.

02:16:19.000 It's in Georgia, right?

02:16:21.000 It's a farm in Georgia.

02:16:22.000 It's a regenerative farm.

02:16:23.000 He turned it from an industrialized farm into a regenerative farm over 20 years.

02:16:30.000 I don't know what a regenerative farm is. 0.94

02:16:31.000 The difference between using external herbicides and pesticides and all sorts of shit that makes it much easier to farm, but it's toxic ultimately for the land.

02:16:43.000 So he went over the details of why he did what he did, what he learned, and how he went from transitioning this family farm that he had inherited, which was traditionally the way industrialized farms are working. 0.78

02:16:55.000 They put all this industrialized fertilizer everywhere, and then it gets in the rainwater. 0.99

02:17:00.000 It's fucking terrible. 0.99

02:17:01.000 Oh, I know. 0.99

02:17:02.000 So they decided to turn it around.

02:17:05.000 It took like 20 years, you said.

02:17:06.000 Wow.

02:17:07.000 Yeah, and just what it's done to the soil and the way...

02:17:10.000 So everything works in a natural cycle.

02:17:14.000 The way he describes it, I think, is like mimicking a natural cycle.

02:17:17.000 Yeah.

02:17:17.000 I mean, that's where we're at.

02:17:19.000 Like, nothing is what it...

02:17:20.000 Like, the same salmon you're eating now is not the same salmon from 20 years ago.

02:17:26.000 Right.

02:17:26.000 Because we've had, like, all kinds of farming and it's cross, you know, bread.

02:17:30.000 And so, like, all the species have changed.

02:17:32.000 They've evolved into whatever they are now.

02:17:34.000 And, you know...

02:17:39.000 I mean, I guess that's the way through.

02:17:41.000 They also have polyfarming.

02:17:43.000 Have you ever heard about that?

02:17:44.000 Sure.

02:17:44.000 Yeah.

02:17:45.000 Polyface Farms is Joel Salatin's place.

02:17:47.000 He's been on the podcast a couple of times.

02:17:49.000 Oh, really?

02:17:49.000 Cool.

02:17:50.000 That guy drinks out of troughs where cows drink so he can get the biome for his immune system. 0.96

02:17:57.000 I wonder how long it took to adapt to that.

02:17:59.000 Yo.

02:18:00.000 I mean, was he in the bathroom for like a month or what?

02:18:02.000 What were the hard days?

02:18:04.000 Tell me what the hard days were, Joel.

02:18:06.000 Because I would imagine you would have diarrhea. 0.99

02:18:08.000 He's like, Joe, I don't have a butthole anymore. 0.99

02:18:10.000 You would want to send a raven with that diarrhea story. 0.99

02:18:18.000 You're going to put a scroll on a raven's foot.

02:18:21.000 That was my first thought.

02:18:22.000 I was like, that guy was in the bathroom for at least four weeks.

02:18:25.000 Forever. 0.55

02:18:26.000 What kind of diarrhea does that give you? 0.69

02:18:30.000 Oh my god, he's drinking water that the cows drink out of. 0.93

02:18:34.000 I mean, you're going to get some parasites.

02:18:35.000 Actually, that sounds pretty... 0.73

02:18:38.000 He was one of the first guys that was completely dismissive of COVID in that way.

02:18:42.000 He wasn't worried about it at all.

02:18:44.000 He's like, I take care of my immune system, and he supplements his immune system.

02:18:47.000 Doesn't sound surprising.

02:18:49.000 But what if he's right?

02:18:51.000 What if he's right?

02:18:52.000 I mean, that's the thing about little kids you'll see, when they're really little especially, they touch everything, they put everything in their mouth.

02:18:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:00.000 It's almost like they're trying to do that.

02:19:04.000 They're trying to medicate themselves to the world.

02:19:06.000 I think it's natural.

02:19:08.000 I think it must be.

02:19:10.000 Because they're exposing themselves to dirt and grime.

02:19:14.000 When kids do that, I wonder, my question would be, is keeping them sanitary bad for their immune system?

02:19:22.000 And is keeping them, like, letting them put whatever in their mouth dangerous to them because some things are toxic?

02:19:29.000 Like, what's the fine line?

02:19:30.000 I think it's overcorrection with sanitizing and also it's both.

02:19:34.000 It's both, right?

02:19:35.000 Because you have to factor in the, like, superbugs that have formed from all of our antibiotics and our, you know, antibiotic resistance.

02:19:42.000 Dude, right when I'm starting to relax, you gotta hit me with superbugs. 1.00

02:19:45.000 Shit. 1.00

02:19:46.000 Okay, let's go back. 1.00

02:19:47.000 Let's keep talking about...

02:19:48.000 That stuff is terrifying.

02:19:50.000 Yeah.

02:19:50.000 Like MRSA? Medication-resistant staph?

02:19:54.000 I was paddleboarding on Lady Bird Lake and I fell in hard.

02:19:58.000 All this water went up my nose and I was like, I hope I don't get an amoeba.

02:20:03.000 For like two days I was like, keep me on amoeba watch.

02:20:07.000 Dude, people get amoebas.

02:20:08.000 I know.

02:20:09.000 They get brain parasites.

02:20:12.000 Look, but we're here now, okay?

02:20:13.000 And so far I'm pretty sure my brain doesn't have a parasite.

02:20:16.000 Pretty sure.

02:20:18.000 But only time will tell.

02:20:20.000 I've had several friends that got parasites overseas.

02:20:23.000 Well, I'm actually doing a four-month parasite cleanse.

02:20:29.000 And you don't have to change your diet.

02:20:31.000 It's supplements you take.

02:20:33.000 Shouldn't you check to see if you actually have a parasite first?

02:20:36.000 So it's also a heavy metal detox.

02:20:38.000 It's kind of a bunch of things, and that's a side to it.

02:20:43.000 Is all that stuff real?

02:20:44.000 So my very dear friends that have done this have told me about the parasites that came out of their body in month two or three.

02:20:53.000 Can you do, is a heavy metal detox, is that a real thing?

02:20:56.000 Can you do that?

02:20:57.000 Yeah.

02:20:58.000 Is that possible?

02:20:59.000 What do you do?

02:21:00.000 Is that a real thing, Jamie?

02:21:02.000 What do I do for it?

02:21:03.000 No, what can anybody do?

02:21:04.000 There's a joke in here.

02:21:05.000 Heavy metal detox.

02:21:06.000 Yeah.

02:21:07.000 Start listening to Sade.

02:21:09.000 I had arsenic in my system at one point in time.

02:21:11.000 Okay, I'm sure.

02:21:11.000 Because I was eating too many sardines.

02:21:13.000 What, really?

02:21:14.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 How many sardines were you eating, Joe?

02:21:16.000 I was eating a lot.

02:21:17.000 Jesus Christ.

02:21:18.000 I was eating cans of them a day.

02:21:20.000 That's too many!

02:21:21.000 I know.

02:21:22.000 So that easily could be it.

02:21:25.000 Were you married at this point?

02:21:27.000 No.

02:21:27.000 Because I was like, how much make an hour were you doing?

02:21:30.000 It was just eating sardines.

02:21:33.000 They're living in pollution.

02:21:35.000 Yeah.

02:21:35.000 Okay.

02:21:36.000 So they're at the bottom of the water?

02:21:38.000 Okay.

02:21:38.000 That's where all the heavy metals and stuff, I guess, sit?

02:21:42.000 Yeah.

02:21:42.000 Well, I mean, like I said, we were talking about your farmer friend who was on yesterday.

02:21:46.000 The whole ecosystem and landscape is fucked, whether it's from pesticides and that kind of thing, or mining. 0.91

02:21:55.000 I was fly fishing on the Clark Fork River in Montana. 0.95

02:21:59.000 It's beautiful.

02:22:01.000 No cell service.

02:22:03.000 Ospreys, eagles, like all of it.

02:22:05.000 You name it.

02:22:06.000 Gorgeous.

02:22:06.000 Pristine.

02:22:07.000 Not a piece of trash for miles.

02:22:09.000 But you can't eat the fish in the river because of these mines that were leaking in the 80s that were like all kinds of mercury.

02:22:16.000 I don't know if it's mercury, but like whatever they were leaking has infected the entire river and you cannot eat the fish.

02:22:22.000 Oh, no.

02:22:23.000 But you wouldn't know it looking at it.

02:22:24.000 It doesn't look polluted.

02:22:25.000 It doesn't look like trash.

02:22:26.000 It's just... 0.86

02:22:28.000 Do you really need to do a parasite plan?

02:22:30.000 Are you going to call me out? 0.98

02:22:31.000 It's highly unlikely that you have intestinal parasites.

02:22:34.000 But even if you do, a home remedy won't do much.

02:22:38.000 Well, I'll keep you posted.

02:22:42.000 I don't know.

02:22:43.000 This is Consumer Reports from July.

02:22:45.000 Yeah.

02:22:45.000 Oh, that's recently.

02:22:47.000 That might be horseshit. 1.00

02:22:49.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:22:49.000 It was expensive. 1.00

02:22:51.000 The thing is, it's like, if you actually do have a parasite, then there's very specific medication you should take.

02:23:00.000 Here's a story. 0.97

02:23:01.000 So, during our fearful COVID, all the shit, not this September, but 2021, I had some touring to do. 0.90

02:23:11.000 And a friend of mine with their very fancy doctor in Hollywood, like top of the top, asked about, hey, do you have any preventative COVID measures? 0.94

02:23:21.000 And also, if we get COVID, you know, what should we take?

02:23:26.000 Yeah.

02:23:27.000 And so I've been having stomach issues for a really long time, and Ways to Well helped me discover that I had a bacteria called H. pylori.

02:23:35.000 So I had to take antibiotics, and I tried the natural stuff, and then finally I kicked it, but I still was sick for a while.

02:23:43.000 What causes that?

02:23:45.000 It's like a bacteria that, like, we have staph and we have all this stuff and some of our immune systems just, like, get overtaken by it.

02:23:52.000 And I was one of them.

02:23:54.000 So, I mean, I was sick for, like, a year.

02:23:57.000 Whoa.

02:23:57.000 Like, my stomach hurt.

02:23:58.000 I got to a point where I was just drinking broth.

02:24:00.000 Like, that was, and even then, like, I was just uncomfortable.

02:24:03.000 Here it is.

02:24:04.000 Um...

02:24:07.000 Iliocobacter pylori.

02:24:09.000 H. pylori, yeah.

02:24:09.000 H. pylori.

02:24:10.000 Infection occurs when H. pylori bacteria infects your stomach.

02:24:13.000 This usually happens during childhood.

02:24:16.000 A common cause of stomach ulcers, peptic ulcers.

02:24:18.000 Playing with that dirt.

02:24:19.000 Whoa, that's the downside, right?

02:24:22.000 Right.

02:24:22.000 Infection may present in more than half the people in the world.

02:24:27.000 Most people don't realize they have H. pylori infection because they never get sick from it.

02:24:31.000 Well, you get heartburn.

02:24:32.000 If you develop signs or symptoms of a peptic ulcer, your healthcare provider will probably test you for H. pylori infection.

02:24:39.000 A peptic ulcer is a sore of the lining of the stomach, gastric ulcer, or the first part of the small intestine.

02:24:48.000 Whoa.

02:24:50.000 So you could be just walking around with that and have no idea you have it.

02:24:53.000 Yeah, and supposedly it's contagious, but who knows?

02:24:56.000 Our immune systems fight stuff off all the time.

02:25:00.000 So I was really sick.

02:25:02.000 Ways to Well, another shout out, helped me get my...

02:25:06.000 They figured out, because I was deficient in all these vitamins that I took.

02:25:12.000 I think?

02:25:17.000 I think?

02:25:34.000 And heparin, which is a blood-thinning nasal spray, because COVID is a blood-clotting virus.

02:25:38.000 So I take the nasal spray.

02:25:41.000 I mean, I was around thousands of people, and I hug everybody.

02:25:44.000 I am very present in the physical world.

02:25:48.000 And...

02:25:50.000 I didn't get COVID, but I took the ivermectin, and my stomach stuff went away, and it was like I'd never felt better.

02:25:58.000 So maybe I had a parasite, because, you know, ivermectin is an anti-parasitic.

02:26:05.000 Yeah, that's the main use of it.

02:26:07.000 Correct.

02:26:08.000 And whatever it was, it was like a miracle.

02:26:13.000 Wow.

02:26:13.000 Because after that, I was like, woo!

02:26:16.000 I felt so good.

02:26:21.000 I apparently have these intolerances, stuff I'm working on, but it's fascinating.

02:26:26.000 Well, that sounded like you had an infection.

02:26:28.000 I did.

02:26:29.000 I was sick.

02:26:30.000 That is a wild thing.

02:26:31.000 That's like an invading army attacking your defense systems.

02:26:35.000 It was really scary.

02:26:38.000 I felt like alien.

02:26:40.000 I was bummed.

02:26:42.000 It's like you've got a little war going on in your body.

02:26:44.000 Kind of.

02:26:45.000 That's what staph is like.

02:26:47.000 You get a staph infection, you got a war going on.

02:26:51.000 Have you had a staph infection?

02:26:52.000 Oh yeah, I've had a few.

02:26:54.000 Scary. 0.99

02:26:55.000 It's a common occurrence with grappling because you get scratched and you're rolling around and choking each other and shit. 0.97

02:27:03.000 And then all of a sudden you see something on your shin. 0.94

02:27:06.000 You're like, what is that?

02:27:07.000 That would make sense why you have the superbug fear.

02:27:09.000 Because, you know, like physical contact and all that stuff.

02:27:13.000 Well, I don't have the superbug fear.

02:27:15.000 I just have a...

02:27:16.000 I did a show with Duncan back in the day where we went to the Center for Disease Control in Galveston and they were explaining us the...

02:27:25.000 The Center for Disease Control?

02:27:27.000 Yeah.

02:27:27.000 The one?

02:27:28.000 Yeah.

02:27:28.000 Is in Galveston?

02:27:29.000 Yeah, there's a lab they have down in Galveston.

02:27:32.000 And it's...

02:27:33.000 What did you think of Galveston?

02:27:34.000 I think it's the Center for Disease Control.

02:27:36.000 Whoever works on the viruses.

02:27:38.000 It's the Galveston National Laboratory Biodefense Lab.

02:27:42.000 Biodefense Lab.

02:27:43.000 So we go down there and they're explaining to us that what they're really concerned about is not like man-made viruses.

02:27:51.000 What they're really concerned about is something just jumping from animals to people that's super deadly, like the Black Plague, like the Spanish Flu.

02:28:02.000 There's some that are just walloping, where they kill giant swaths of people.

02:28:10.000 And he's like, we're always constantly trying to work to prevent that from happening.

02:28:14.000 And that's when you get the scope of it.

02:28:16.000 You're like, oh my god, this is like at any moment in time, nature could just throw us the wildest curveball.

02:28:21.000 And especially when you incorporate what happens with animal agriculture, where a lot of the viruses develop and do jump from people.

02:28:29.000 Well, and we've fucked with nature so much, like manipulating science in this way that...

02:28:36.000 It feels... 0.89

02:28:37.000 I don't know.

02:28:38.000 I don't like to doomsday.

02:28:40.000 I'm like, I want to enjoy my time.

02:28:44.000 But it's scary.

02:28:46.000 I'm not necessarily doomsdaying, but I am saying, we've got to look at this thing.

02:28:53.000 What we're doing is wild.

02:28:55.000 We're having a little battle with nature.

02:28:57.000 We're trying to trick it and bottle it up and make antibiotics.

02:29:01.000 You hunt.

02:29:02.000 You're out there, right?

02:29:05.000 A while ago, like a long time ago, I tried to surf when I lived in Venice Beach.

02:29:10.000 And I remember being out there and just being in the ocean in this, like, this thing could end me like that.

02:29:19.000 Like, not just from the monsters in there, but like, it's just sheer brute force.

02:29:25.000 And like, we are like nothing.

02:29:27.000 You can just flick us off.

02:29:29.000 You know, like, and so with that said, like, Much respect.

02:29:34.000 Much respect.

02:29:35.000 Much respect, surfers.

02:29:38.000 No, I mean, like, the force of our planet.

02:29:41.000 The force of the nature, too.

02:29:42.000 And, like, you know, Mother Gaia, whatever you want to call it.

02:29:45.000 And it'll let you know.

02:29:47.000 Oh, easy.

02:29:48.000 And it's doing nothing.

02:29:49.000 It's not even trying. 0.98

02:29:50.000 It's not even trying, and just a little bit of undertow, and you're like, oh, shit, I can't get back to the shore. 0.99

02:29:55.000 We watched Armageddon the other day. 0.98

02:29:58.000 Other 90s throwback.

02:30:00.000 And...

02:30:02.000 I mean, how do you not think like...

02:30:04.000 That could happen.

02:30:04.000 This could happen.

02:30:05.000 100% could happen.

02:30:07.000 It's happened so many times.

02:30:08.000 It's already happened.

02:30:09.000 It's happened so many times.

02:30:11.000 There's always, there was one that we're just talking about recently in the news, that you can watch this giant comet whiz by Earth soon.

02:30:17.000 Yeah.

02:30:18.000 Oh, great.

02:30:19.000 I think Nick and I were dating for like two weeks when we, like, I mean, we were just so in love.

02:30:23.000 Like, we just kind of had that, like, I see you moment.

02:30:26.000 Like, we knew.

02:30:27.000 Avatar.

02:30:28.000 And I told him, I was like, I'm going to be staring into your eyes when the end of the world comes.

02:30:36.000 You know, I almost want to be like right there doing that.

02:30:39.000 Like, you don't want to be a survivor.

02:30:41.000 I've thought about that too.

02:30:42.000 Leave that to heartier folk.

02:30:43.000 Like, the part of me, like, I'm not trying to sound egotistical.

02:30:47.000 There's a part of me that feels like I'm going to be one of the last ones standing, but I don't want to be.

02:30:52.000 I don't want that.

02:30:53.000 Of course, everybody feels like that.

02:30:55.000 I don't want it.

02:30:55.000 I feel like if something happens like that, we will be knocked so far back into the past so quickly.

02:31:04.000 That you almost don't want to be alive for it.

02:31:06.000 Because it's going to take so long for people to figure out civilization again.

02:31:10.000 And I think that's happened a fuckload of times, kids.

02:31:14.000 I am having Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson come on the podcast this month to talk about that very thing. 0.98

02:31:21.000 These guys have been studying this for fucking decades.

02:31:24.000 And there are two coinciding theories about what happened. 0.99

02:31:35.000 We're good to go.

02:32:00.000 So if there's 12,000 years ago, we get pelted by giant rocks.

02:32:05.000 And then they do core samples, they go down 12,000 years, and they find this high level of iridium, which is really common in space and really rare on Earth.

02:32:14.000 And it usually signifies an asteroid impact. 0.96

02:32:17.000 And they find that shit all over at 12,000 years. 0.96

02:32:21.000 So when they get to this point, it's almost like there's irrefutable evidence that something happened. 0.98

02:32:26.000 And that something was so big...

02:32:29.000 That it might have reset civilization.

02:32:32.000 Human beings might have been really advanced at one point in time, like really advanced.

02:32:36.000 If you see what they did in Egypt and you realize that- Oh yeah, I think about that stuff a lot.

02:32:41.000 At the earliest, that was 4,000, 5,000 years ago, at the earliest, But it might have been way earlier than that.

02:32:50.000 That stuff might have been a remnant of an ancient civilization that was far more advanced than we are right now.

02:32:56.000 It just got knocked into the Stone Age.

02:32:58.000 We just don't think that can happen. 1.00

02:33:00.000 But fuck it could happen. 1.00

02:33:02.000 For sure it could happen. 1.00

02:33:04.000 Well, I think there's this weird immortality that comes with the vapid lifestyle of technology and the way that people forget the depths of existence and then therefore forget how finite we are.

02:33:20.000 And I mean, that's like...

02:33:23.000 I mean, you kind of get to the God place there.

02:33:26.000 There's this like...

02:33:33.000 I feel so sad for people that don't dig into themselves and dig into this stuff and think about the enormity of our existence.

02:33:43.000 Your life is so short.

02:33:46.000 It goes so fast.

02:33:51.000 You're missing it from your negligence to ground yourself.

02:33:58.000 You're missing it with your self-importance. 0.78

02:34:00.000 You're missing it with your narcissism. 0.84

02:34:02.000 And you're this.

02:34:04.000 This is not the world.

02:34:07.000 It's so sad to me.

02:34:09.000 And I think in terms of what you're talking about, there's like... 0.72

02:34:14.000 This really fine line between that scientific and theoretical idea of intelligent life before us and knowing that we were given this chance and we're fucking it up. 0.80

02:34:29.000 But we're not necessarily fucking it up.

02:34:32.000 I think it's just a process.

02:34:34.000 That's what I think. 0.64

02:34:35.000 I don't think we're fucking it up. 0.63

02:34:37.000 I think there's a process.

02:34:38.000 I don't mean to sound negative.

02:34:39.000 No, no, you're not negative.

02:34:40.000 You're recognizing real problems.

02:34:43.000 Well, I'm looking at the world around me because I'm actually an optimist eternally.

02:34:48.000 I'm such a...

02:34:49.000 Here's where the sunshine is.

02:34:51.000 This is where it's beautiful.

02:34:52.000 This is where things are good.

02:34:53.000 Let's get there.

02:34:54.000 We can do this.

02:34:56.000 And then I just look at the...

02:35:00.000 Amount of people that value Kim Kardashian's plastic surgery or whatever you're obsessing over that you think is valuable.

02:35:11.000 That stuff is very sad to me.

02:35:14.000 Well, it's because we're not faced with big threats.

02:35:17.000 When you're not faced with big threats, you focus on trivial things.

02:35:20.000 When something big happens, that's when everybody puts the American flag on their car.

02:35:25.000 But wouldn't you call all the stuff that's happening big threats?

02:35:26.000 It is, but it's not big enough. 0.99

02:35:28.000 The news cycle is so fucked. 0.98

02:35:30.000 The news cycle is so fucked that every day there's like 15 new outrages and five new conspiracy theories and then there's a new crime and then there's a new mass shooting and then there's a car accident and there's a plane crash. 1.00

02:35:42.000 And it's just constant. 0.98

02:35:44.000 You're getting battered by information. 0.93

02:35:47.000 So even like the Ukraine-Russia thing, people are like, Boring, done with it, over 200 days, you know, and then they have their narratives, you know, Ukraine's winning, no, Russia's holding off till the winter, like, it's all, it's almost like they're fucking calling a sport.

02:36:04.000 But they say it like we actually know what's going on.

02:36:07.000 I have no idea unless you're there.

02:36:08.000 I don't either.

02:36:09.000 I mean, I'm sure we're getting some correct information.

02:36:13.000 I'm not discarding the information.

02:36:14.000 I'm just saying I'm not totally aware.

02:36:17.000 Yeah, but you also factor in wag the dog.

02:36:20.000 You factor in the technological manipulation.

02:36:25.000 You can make anything look like anything.

02:36:28.000 Do you think they've actually gone to that?

02:36:30.000 Do you think there's governments that have actually made fake videos?

02:36:33.000 Absolutely.

02:36:33.000 Let's not say America, because of course we wouldn't do that, right?

02:36:36.000 But for sure, there's got to be some fake news footage.

02:36:40.000 Yes!

02:36:41.000 It's been proven.

02:36:43.000 It's been proven.

02:36:45.000 Wasn't there a video that was going around, it was like a viral video, and people were like, you know, look, the jet got shot down in Ukraine, and people found out it's actually a scene from a video game?

02:36:55.000 I don't know about that.

02:36:56.000 Wasn't that true, Jamie?

02:36:57.000 What was that story?

02:36:58.000 The minute actors...

02:37:00.000 Exactly what you said, I believe.

02:37:01.000 I was about to pull it up if you didn't say it.

02:37:03.000 Did someone do it as a goof?

02:37:06.000 That would be way too hard to know without digging way deep who did that and why they did it.

02:37:11.000 But the ghost of Kiev was like the ace shooting down everyone. 1.00

02:37:16.000 But that But that's how susceptible everyone is to this shit. 1.00

02:37:19.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

02:37:20.000 Like, I don't know what's real.

02:37:22.000 Right. 0.97

02:37:22.000 But I do know it's really fucked up when actors are flying over to the Ukraine and talking like they know what's going on and promoting something. 0.97

02:37:33.000 Like... 0.99

02:37:34.000 Yeah.

02:37:35.000 What... 1.00

02:37:35.000 What the fuck are those people doing over there? 1.00

02:37:39.000 I'm like... 1.00

02:37:40.000 I'm mad.

02:37:43.000 I'm mad.

02:37:44.000 Well, I can understand them realizing that this is a giant moment in human history.

02:37:50.000 Why is Jessica Chastain representing the United States? 1.00

02:37:53.000 Who's that?

02:37:54.000 She's an actress. 1.00

02:37:55.000 Oh, I don't know who she is.

02:37:56.000 What's she on?

02:37:57.000 A bunch of stuff.

02:37:58.000 Okay.

02:37:59.000 Would I know her by visual?

02:38:01.000 Mad Men?

02:38:02.000 Oh, okay.

02:38:03.000 No.

02:38:03.000 No?

02:38:04.000 Wrong one.

02:38:04.000 Okay.

02:38:05.000 Wrong redhead. 1.00

02:38:06.000 Doesn't matter.

02:38:07.000 There you go.

02:38:07.000 Don't give her attention.

02:38:08.000 It's annoying. 1.00

02:38:12.000 What the fuck is she doing over there? 1.00

02:38:13.000 I'm serious. 1.00

02:38:14.000 I don't know.

02:38:15.000 Maybe she's lending her voice.

02:38:17.000 Her considerable social media following.

02:38:20.000 This is when my war with Jessica Chastain starts.

02:38:22.000 Let's go.

02:38:24.000 This is drunk Suzanne. 0.57

02:38:26.000 My favorite Suzanne.

02:38:29.000 Is that your favorite Suzanne?

02:38:31.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:38:32.000 My favorite Suzanne is a little high, a little drunk. 0.54

02:38:37.000 Isn't that your favorite everybody?

02:38:38.000 It's pretty fun.

02:38:39.000 Yes!

02:38:40.000 I didn't know how much I liked weed until now.

02:38:43.000 Really?

02:38:43.000 Oh, I love it.

02:38:44.000 But it's like...

02:38:45.000 What I miss the most during Sober October, for sure.

02:38:47.000 Two hits.

02:38:48.000 But...

02:38:49.000 I mean, I'm always having fun with Nick.

02:38:52.000 Like, we're always laughing.

02:38:53.000 But, like, if we smoke a little before bed, it's so fun.

02:38:59.000 I know.

02:38:59.000 It's the best.

02:39:00.000 We're just...

02:39:00.000 He's my best friend.

02:39:01.000 Yeah.

02:39:02.000 He's so funny.

02:39:03.000 That's a beautiful thing that you found that.

02:39:05.000 Oh, my God.

02:39:05.000 It's nice.

02:39:06.000 I love him so much.

02:39:07.000 So happy.

02:39:08.000 I'm so happy to hear it.

02:39:10.000 Thanks.

02:39:10.000 It's such an important thing for people.

02:39:12.000 Some people never find it.

02:39:14.000 You never get lucky.

02:39:16.000 A lot of it is that.

02:39:18.000 There's a lot of weird luck in life.

02:39:20.000 You say you attract things in life, but are you sure?

02:39:24.000 People are talking about the secret and law of attraction.

02:39:27.000 Are you sure?

02:39:28.000 Are you sure you're attracting things?

02:39:30.000 How much of this is random?

02:39:31.000 I think, yes, we attract certain things and each other, but trying to make a book out of it is you're just going to lose me.

02:39:39.000 You're trying to define something that you haven't definitely defined.

02:39:43.000 Whatever that quality is that does allow people to visualize things and make them happen, there's a lot of other factors there, kids.

02:39:50.000 A lot of other factors.

02:39:51.000 There's action.

02:39:52.000 They've done things.

02:39:53.000 Well, I've been that person who figured something out and I want to tell everybody about it.

02:39:57.000 Guess what?

02:39:58.000 This is Carl Jung!

02:40:01.000 But it is a factor in it.

02:40:03.000 Sure.

02:40:04.000 Right?

02:40:05.000 But that's where, be cool about it.

02:40:08.000 Yeah, be cool about it.

02:40:09.000 Don't pretend it's a secret.

02:40:13.000 Right.

02:40:13.000 It's not a secret.

02:40:13.000 And don't pretend it's a thing you can teach people how to do.

02:40:19.000 If you want to learn how to do it, learn from people that did it.

02:40:23.000 Right.

02:40:24.000 That's the best way.

02:40:25.000 That's the secret.

02:40:26.000 That's the secret.

02:40:28.000 You know, you talk to them, you go, oh, Susanna's a regular human, and she figured out how to be a professional musician. 0.99

02:40:34.000 How the fuck can I do that? 0.99

02:40:35.000 Talk to that. 0.99

02:40:36.000 That's the secret.

02:40:37.000 Yeah, well, I'm still figuring it out.

02:40:40.000 But, you know, you know what you're doing.

02:40:45.000 It's not...

02:40:49.000 If I was a kid and I believed that I could manifest everything just with my mind, I didn't know that there was a significant amount of work involved.

02:40:57.000 Most kids believe that now.

02:41:00.000 That's such a crippling mentality.

02:41:03.000 It is.

02:41:09.000 Was that Massachusetts is so hardcore work ethic. 1.00

02:41:14.000 Those fucking people work. 0.99

02:41:16.000 One of the reasons why is because you have to shovel snow for many months of the year. 1.00

02:41:21.000 You're doing real hard labor at your fucking house. 0.99

02:41:24.000 You gotta scrape your windshield out, yeah. 1.00

02:41:25.000 How many people have blown their back out shoveling their fucking driveway? 1.00

02:41:28.000 Me. 1.00

02:41:29.000 I've done it.

02:41:29.000 A lot.

02:41:30.000 Oh yeah.

02:41:31.000 As a teenager.

02:41:33.000 It's a lot of work.

02:41:35.000 It's so much work.

02:41:35.000 To go from no work to that.

02:41:36.000 Well, if you don't do that, you don't get out.

02:41:38.000 And if you don't do it soon, it becomes ice.

02:41:41.000 That's a great analogy.

02:41:42.000 There's a part of surviving a thing that happens every year. 0.99

02:41:47.000 Like the winters in Boston are fucking harsh. 0.99

02:41:51.000 They're harsh. 0.99

02:41:53.000 And you get that water off the ocean.

02:41:56.000 So you get that saltwater cold that just...

02:42:00.000 It cuts right through you.

02:42:02.000 You lose your breath.

02:42:03.000 You can't even breathe.

02:42:05.000 It's so cold. 0.99

02:42:06.000 It's fucking cold. 0.99

02:42:08.000 And it's gonna happen every year. 0.99

02:42:10.000 And you're gonna get ice, and you're gonna get black ice on the roads where it rains first, and then the whole road is a fucking ice skating rink. 0.97

02:42:17.000 And you have to know how to drive on it. 0.96

02:42:18.000 I love it.

02:42:19.000 I'm a winter baby.

02:42:20.000 I love it.

02:42:20.000 It's real.

02:42:21.000 It's a different kind of person.

02:42:23.000 I know.

02:42:23.000 Those are some of my favorite people that come from winter places.

02:42:26.000 I'm not bullshitting.

02:42:28.000 That's awesome.

02:42:28.000 Because I think California is like being a trust fund baby, weather-wise.

02:42:33.000 Oh, sure.

02:42:34.000 Like, everything's fine.

02:42:35.000 It's always fine.

02:42:36.000 You don't have to work that hard.

02:42:37.000 And when it is raining, like, oh my God, it's raining again. 0.98

02:42:40.000 Like, bitch, it's raining three days this year. 1.00

02:42:42.000 The fuck are you saying? 1.00

02:42:44.000 I'm losing my tan! 1.00

02:42:45.000 They're so accustomed to that that it really does fuck with your character development.

02:42:50.000 Sure.

02:42:51.000 It doesn't limit you.

02:42:52.000 You can still develop a great character doing other stuff and difficult things, but you're not going to get that one essential thing out of nature.

02:42:58.000 I think this speaks to a mutual aversion to the softies.

02:43:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:43:02.000 You've got to fucking toughen up. 0.99

02:43:04.000 But you can't toughen up if you don't know what that means. 0.99

02:43:06.000 For yourself, not just for us, but for yourself.

02:43:09.000 Sure.

02:43:09.000 You have to.

02:43:11.000 It's important for everybody.

02:43:12.000 But to kind of spiral back to things we were talking about before, they can't do that if they don't know what that feels like.

02:43:20.000 You don't know what that means.

02:43:22.000 And, you know, the...

02:43:26.000 It's a proverbial cold within us.

02:43:29.000 You have to know how to weather a storm.

02:43:31.000 If you've never been through a real storm, then how would you know?

02:43:34.000 It's humbling.

02:43:36.000 When everyone's stranded at home and you look out the window and all you see is white.

02:43:40.000 It's beautiful.

02:43:42.000 But you have to go in, too.

02:43:43.000 You have to sit with yourself.

02:43:44.000 You can't play outside.

02:43:45.000 I'm an outdoor kid. 1.00

02:43:46.000 You can't do that shit. 1.00

02:43:47.000 A lot of times the power goes out. 1.00

02:43:49.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:50.000 The power goes out a lot. 0.99

02:43:51.000 Everybody's huddled around with candles and shit. 0.93

02:43:55.000 You have to have gear, too. 0.96

02:43:57.000 You have to have snow pants and boots and all that stuff.

02:43:59.000 You have to have boots.

02:44:00.000 You can't be going out there with sneakers. 1.00

02:44:02.000 You fucking idiot. 1.00

02:44:03.000 You're going to freeze to death. 1.00

02:44:04.000 You're going to lose a foot.

02:44:05.000 I have been to many a Browns game in Cleveland.

02:44:09.000 You have those things you smack, those warmers you put in your boots.

02:44:15.000 And then you lose again.

02:44:20.000 Yeah.

02:44:21.000 You have to sit with the sinking feeling of defeat. 1.00

02:44:25.000 While you're freezing your dick off. 1.00

02:44:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:29.000 Cold weather people are different fucking people. 1.00

02:44:32.000 They really are. 1.00

02:44:33.000 That's like why Canadians are so hardy. 1.00

02:44:36.000 Those motherfuckers have to deal with cold. 1.00

02:44:39.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:44:40.000 Jamie, you know. 0.96

02:44:41.000 I just feel like people that have to go through shit like that together, there's like a bonding experience in surviving the winter. 0.94

02:44:48.000 And the only reason all these humans can survive the winter is because people are smart enough to figure out shelters. 0.98

02:44:54.000 You can't be homeless there. 1.00

02:44:56.000 Right there with that weather, you're fucked. 1.00

02:44:59.000 That tent's not going to make it. 0.99

02:45:00.000 From all the exciting things I've got to do in my life and places I've lived, still to this day, whenever I go home to Cleveland, I am met and confronted with the most interesting, humble, fascinating, funniest,

02:45:16.000 salt-of-the-earth kind of people.

02:45:19.000 Real people. 1.00

02:45:20.000 They have to deal with real shit. 1.00

02:45:22.000 You know, lacking a precious thing. 1.00

02:45:26.000 Like, they're just like, hey, cheers.

02:45:28.000 Nice to meet you.

02:45:29.000 You know?

02:45:30.000 But I... Well, there's a lot of disillusioning kind of places like New York and L.A. There are these meccas of art and culture, but then they've kind of been overrun by ideologies that can be damaging.

02:45:51.000 But you can't say that about...

02:45:53.000 Boston or Cleveland or, you know, sort of...

02:45:56.000 I mean, I guess you could...

02:45:57.000 Boston's a little different.

02:45:58.000 Boston's pretty liberal.

02:45:59.000 Yeah.

02:46:00.000 It's a lot different than...

02:46:01.000 Maybe they're hardier liberals, though.

02:46:04.000 Hardy's a good...

02:46:05.000 That's the thing.

02:46:06.000 I'm kind of, like, babbling right now, but hardy is a good word for it.

02:46:11.000 You have to overcome nature if you live in a cold climate.

02:46:15.000 That's a real thing.

02:46:16.000 It's a real change of the world.

02:46:18.000 But there's a psychological and emotional thing that, wow, that's really, well done, man.

02:46:22.000 Just like the people that live next to the ocean.

02:46:24.000 That feeling that you have in the ocean, the same feeling.

02:46:26.000 Sure. 0.99

02:46:26.000 It's like, you ain't shit. 0.99

02:46:27.000 You ain't shit. 1.00

02:46:28.000 It snowed out. 1.00

02:46:29.000 You ain't shit. 1.00

02:46:30.000 There's the ocean. 1.00

02:46:31.000 And you have to be smart.

02:46:32.000 Like, don't go out there this day.

02:46:33.000 Like, don't drive into this blizzard. 1.00

02:46:35.000 You might fucking die. 1.00

02:46:36.000 You might fucking die. 1.00

02:46:37.000 No one's gonna come and rescue you, bitch. 1.00

02:46:39.000 No, you can't. 1.00

02:46:40.000 Don't think you're gonna be safe.

02:46:41.000 They can't get to you.

02:46:41.000 Yeah.

02:46:42.000 Don't even go out.

02:46:43.000 That's funny.

02:46:44.000 Yeah, there's times where you're told to not leave.

02:46:46.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:46:47.000 Those are fucking bonding moments for communities. 1.00

02:46:50.000 They really are. 1.00

02:46:52.000 You're faced with a threat.

02:46:53.000 You're like, hey, do you guys need anything?

02:46:55.000 Absolutely.

02:46:55.000 Hey, we got this, we got that.

02:46:57.000 You know, Hank shot a deer.

02:46:58.000 I played in Telluride, Colorado this summer, which is so pretty up there.

02:47:04.000 And one of the...

02:47:05.000 They have a festival that they have, one of them, and the Ride Fest.

02:47:11.000 And I had this runner who was taking us back down the mountain.

02:47:15.000 It's like two hours, an hour and a half or something like that.

02:47:18.000 And he lived in this community that was...

02:47:22.000 You know, an hour or so from Telluride.

02:47:24.000 And he was telling me about all their, like, septic stuff and, like, electricity even.

02:47:29.000 And they all had to take care of each other.

02:47:31.000 He lived in this small little town that if something went wrong, it went wrong for everyone.

02:47:36.000 And they had to, like, hey, what tools do you need?

02:47:41.000 Like, how do you want to get through this?

02:47:43.000 And, I mean, it's really funny.

02:47:48.000 Yeah.

02:47:52.000 You don't know until you've lived something like that.

02:47:55.000 You don't know until you've had those really scary storms or winters where you really do need to help each other.

02:48:01.000 And then it becomes very logical.

02:48:05.000 And we're very sheltered from that.

02:48:09.000 Most places don't have those experiences.

02:48:13.000 Because you don't need to advertise it.

02:48:14.000 It's just how you live.

02:48:16.000 It's just how you live, and it makes a stronger human, more resilient human.

02:48:20.000 Yeah.

02:48:21.000 That's what I believe.

02:48:22.000 I think it's a part of the problem with living in Los Angeles. 0.98

02:48:24.000 There's so many factors that make living in Los Angeles fucked.

02:48:27.000 There's a sheer number of people, which, of course, also equals a sheer number of a lot of really interesting people.

02:48:34.000 You know, it's a lot of cool people there.

02:48:37.000 Sure.

02:48:37.000 No doubt.

02:48:37.000 Well, it's very beguiling.

02:48:39.000 A lot of great restaurants and great things.

02:48:40.000 It's a beautiful place.

02:48:41.000 Yes, beautiful place. 1.00

02:48:42.000 But you got a lot of fucking people. 1.00

02:48:45.000 There's so many. 1.00

02:48:47.000 There's so many.

02:48:49.000 Well, and then you have to factor in, like, the people that have, like, exploded from YouTube or something, like, really easy that didn't involve talent.

02:48:59.000 That's toxin to all those people that have been working hard and haven't made it. 1.00

02:49:03.000 You motherfuckers. 1.00

02:49:04.000 It's toxic. 1.00

02:49:06.000 I'm of the mindset of, like...

02:49:09.000 Whatever propagates joy, but to the extent of it being valuable joy and, like, with depth.

02:49:18.000 You know, like a cheap thrill.

02:49:20.000 Right.

02:49:22.000 It doesn't have to be, though.

02:49:24.000 You know, like, the thing about all these things is they're attracting people.

02:49:30.000 And why are they attracting me? 1.00

02:49:31.000 There's a lot of dumb shit that's attracting me. 1.00

02:49:33.000 It's still getting me. 1.00

02:49:34.000 I'm still watching dumb shit. 1.00

02:49:36.000 Yeah, but you know better. 1.00

02:49:38.000 Do I, though?

02:49:39.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:49:40.000 I'm watching the dumb shit. 1.00

02:49:42.000 Yeah, but how many people come see you perform? 1.00

02:49:46.000 You have to stay up on your intellectual comedy. 1.00

02:49:50.000 Oh, I have to keep watching dumb shit? 1.00

02:49:51.000 Well, sure. 1.00

02:49:52.000 But the execution of what you've ingested and then the way you deliver through your craft involves a specific skill to you.

02:50:04.000 You're not asleep at the wheel.

02:50:06.000 No, that's not what I'm saying. 0.67

02:50:07.000 But I do waste time on nonsense.

02:50:10.000 For sure. 0.97

02:50:12.000 What I was going to get at is that there's all these different factors that are fucked up about L.A. And that weather thing is a big part of it.

02:50:19.000 But another big part of it is that everybody goes there to try to make it.

02:50:22.000 And so when you go there, you're trying to get hired for something.

02:50:26.000 So you're always kind of putting on this act of who you want people to think you are and they only talk in like a certain ideological lingo.

02:50:34.000 It's like very progressive-y, right?

02:50:36.000 Well, you have to factor in that like this like get rich quick because of like being beautiful or like Pam Anderson or something.

02:50:44.000 That sort of gets injected into things.

02:50:46.000 But that's been happening for so long.

02:50:48.000 But not like now.

02:50:49.000 Not like now.

02:50:50.000 But now it's ubiquitous.

02:50:51.000 Now it's just omnipresent.

02:50:53.000 They're more popular.

02:50:55.000 Now it's you get rich for a week and then people forget about you.

02:50:59.000 For some of them, but then there's people like the Kardashians.

02:51:02.000 They got a grip on it.

02:51:03.000 But they got in early.

02:51:05.000 That's true. 1.00

02:51:05.000 They started their bullshit a long time ago. 1.00

02:51:08.000 But there's been some people that got pretty popular and then people got tired of them. 1.00

02:51:13.000 You got it for whatever they're doing, whatever voodoo the Kardashians have done to the American and the world people, they're fucking really good at it. 0.89

02:51:21.000 People are still watching. 0.97

02:51:23.000 That's some good voodoo. 1.00

02:51:24.000 Are they?

02:51:25.000 If that's all you're selling, yes.

02:51:26.000 If that's all you're selling is watch me.

02:51:29.000 I think what they're selling is immortality at this point.

02:51:30.000 They're trying to show you how you can have the same face for so long.

02:51:36.000 Madonna selling immortality.

02:51:38.000 Oh god, she terrifies me. 1.00

02:51:39.000 Have you seen her new Instagram photos?

02:51:42.000 How old is she? 0.98

02:51:45.000 60 something.

02:51:47.000 If she really looks like that.

02:51:49.000 I'm wondering if anyone cares about her at all.

02:51:52.000 I do.

02:51:53.000 Then call her. 0.77

02:51:55.000 I don't know her that well at all.

02:51:57.000 I don't know her at all.

02:51:57.000 But if I did know her at all, I'd say, if that's what you really look like, I get it.

02:52:02.000 Show it off.

02:52:02.000 If she has one friend that's like, hey, I think you need some help.

02:52:07.000 No, I'm the wrong friend because I'd be like, keep posting.

02:52:10.000 More pictures.

02:52:11.000 Let's go.

02:52:12.000 Let's go, Madonna. 1.00

02:52:14.000 Where did she?

02:52:14.000 There was one where her was like, she was kind of in her underwear.

02:52:17.000 What I'm interested in is like, or not interested in, is why do people care who Madonna's fucking? 0.99

02:52:23.000 She wants to talk about being gay or whatever. 0.98

02:52:26.000 Like, we care. 1.00

02:52:27.000 Like, just go fuck them. 1.00

02:52:29.000 Go do what you want to do. 1.00

02:52:30.000 Why do you have to talk about it to everyone?

02:52:33.000 She's maintaining relevance.

02:52:34.000 No, she wants to be a sex symbol and she's... 1.00

02:52:37.000 The time has passed.

02:52:40.000 And like, look, you can do other things, but like...

02:52:43.000 But does she want to be a sex symbol? 1.00

02:52:45.000 Or does she want to be Madonna? 1.00

02:52:46.000 Is that how she feels alive expressing herself?

02:52:50.000 Listen. 0.73

02:52:50.000 Sticking her booty up in the air and having them big titties flop around. 0.73

02:52:54.000 Like I said, Dolly Parton.

02:52:58.000 The image she posted up, if you can't find it, maybe they took it down. 0.97

02:53:03.000 If she really looks like that, she looks fucking great. 0.90

02:53:06.000 Who, Madonna? 0.99

02:53:07.000 Yes, for however old she is.

02:53:08.000 I am in strong disagreement. 0.99

02:53:11.000 Her face scares the shit out of me. 0.99

02:53:13.000 64. Wow. 0.98

02:53:19.000 I hear that ACDC song right now.

02:53:25.000 Look, I have appreciated Madonna's contributions to our music and culture, but there's a time when you've got to hang up your hat and stop putting your boobies in people's faces if they don't want to see them.

02:53:47.000 Well, maybe some people do.

02:53:48.000 She's obviously got some young fellas that still enjoy them. 1.00

02:53:50.000 Then that is a strange fetish that I do not understand.

02:53:53.000 Listen, she's the Dan Bilzerian of the female Instagram influencer. 1.00

02:53:57.000 Look at her. 1.00

02:53:58.000 She looks hot as fuck. 1.00

02:53:59.000 If that's what she looks like, fuck yeah. 1.00

02:54:01.000 Congratulations. 1.00

02:54:02.000 If you can really look like that at 64, I don't know what glasses I have to put on.

02:54:06.000 How doctored is that photo?

02:54:06.000 How doctored?

02:54:07.000 You don't know how smooth that shit looks. 1.00

02:54:08.000 Stop ruining everything. 1.00

02:54:10.000 All I need is some They Live sunglasses.

02:54:12.000 I guarantee some weird puckering in weird places, Joe.

02:54:16.000 I guarantee that's the future of AR. You're going to put on glasses and the person that you're with is going to look as perfect as you need them to be.

02:54:24.000 That is so fucked. 1.00

02:54:25.000 That's what we're going to do. 1.00

02:54:26.000 People are going to get mad if you only want to have sex with them with the glasses on. 0.98

02:54:29.000 I want the real thing. 0.95

02:54:30.000 Yeah, some people are going to get mad though. 0.99

02:54:32.000 Take your glasses off, goddammit. 0.98

02:54:34.000 I want you to see the real me. 0.99

02:54:37.000 Who are you really? 1.00

02:54:38.000 Who are you fucking in those classes? 1.00

02:54:40.000 The guest book, the show I did a while back where Honey Honey, we did the music for it. 0.99

02:54:46.000 I think Joey Diaz is in that episode, but there's this episode with I think it's Kether Donahue, a friend of mine, where her husband has an addiction to VR and they're having sex with VR goggles and there's this whole story going on where he's somebody and she's somebody,

02:55:03.000 but she acts... 0.97

02:55:04.000 Oh my god. 0.95

02:55:04.000 She accidentally kills him. 0.95

02:55:05.000 Oh my god. 0.96

02:55:06.000 Yeah, it's great.

02:55:08.000 That's hilarious.

02:55:09.000 But I'm sure that happens.

02:55:10.000 It's 100% gonna happen if it hasn't happened already.

02:55:13.000 If it hasn't happened already, it's 100% gonna happen.

02:55:17.000 I kind of feel...

02:55:17.000 That's it!

02:55:22.000 Oh, that's right.

02:55:23.000 Joey takes over.

02:55:36.000 He makes the wrong video.

02:55:41.000 Oh my god.

02:55:50.000 Anyway, the outro, I'm pretty sure you'll hear me singing on that episode.

02:55:54.000 Oh my god. 0.97

02:55:55.000 Oh my god, it's so ridiculous. 0.99

02:55:58.000 I mean, Joe, that is some people's reality. 0.95

02:56:02.000 I think there's going to be a lot of people in the future that are living life virtually.

02:56:06.000 And more than we can even imagine.

02:56:09.000 I think it's going to get so good.

02:56:10.000 I think there's also going to be a lot of people that are bad at sex because they learned through their phones and not through natural discourse of life. 0.95

02:56:21.000 Well, they think that's already probably fucking up kids' wiring. 0.97

02:56:24.000 Absolutely. 0.97

02:56:25.000 They're seeing that kind of sex all the time. 0.97

02:56:27.000 Porn addictions and stuff. 0.95

02:56:28.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:56:31.000 The whole human internet technology interface situation is so strange to me because it most definitely enhances our ability to do things.

02:56:46.000 It's definitely enhancing your life somewhat.

02:56:49.000 It's giving you some interesting entertainment.

02:56:51.000 You can listen to a book on tape.

02:56:53.000 You can learn stuff from your phone.

02:56:55.000 You can ask you questions and get answers.

02:56:57.000 You have to be able to check yourself.

02:56:59.000 I think that's the thing. 0.89

02:57:00.000 There's benefits and there's egregious downsides that can fuck you up. 0.52

02:57:04.000 You just have to know how to handle yourself.

02:57:07.000 It's like handle your booze.

02:57:08.000 Handle your booze.

02:57:09.000 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

02:57:10.000 Because it's all candy in some ways.

02:57:12.000 But my point is it seems to keep going in the same direction always.

02:57:16.000 It doesn't seem to be slowing down, and it's not going to.

02:57:19.000 It goes into the direction...

02:57:21.000 That's where the nuclear war comes in.

02:57:23.000 That's the only thing to save us.

02:57:25.000 I hope not.

02:57:26.000 No.

02:57:26.000 But it seems like that's where it's going.

02:57:29.000 It's going to like a deeper infusion into what it is to be a person.

02:57:34.000 To a point where it's a part of your body, and I don't think it's that far away.

02:57:38.000 I think once they do start implementing that, it's gonna be so beneficial to the people that have it that everyone's just gonna jump on board. 0.97

02:57:45.000 I think it's gonna happen radically, and I don't think we're prepared for what the fuck that means. 0.94

02:57:50.000 I agree. 0.93

02:57:51.000 I think it's going to happen in our lifetime.

02:57:54.000 I think in our life, just like when we were kids, there was no internet.

02:57:57.000 Now the world's a totally different place.

02:57:59.000 I think that's going to happen with a human neural interface.

02:58:03.000 I think they're going to create something and they're going to improve upon it.

02:58:06.000 It's going to get better and better.

02:58:07.000 And there's going to be a way of interacting with your mind and the internet and all the people around you.

02:58:12.000 I mean, I think that's already happening.

02:58:15.000 It kind of is.

02:58:16.000 It kind of is, but I think it's going to happen to human beings, and it's going to be one of those things, just like a phone.

02:58:24.000 If you imagine when we were kids, like I grew up in the 80s, you grew up in the 90s.

02:58:29.000 When I was in high school in 1981, I could have never imagined everyone would be carrying a phone.

02:58:37.000 Right.

02:58:37.000 The idea that you could get a hold of someone who's just out.

02:58:42.000 Right.

02:58:43.000 You had to talk to people.

02:58:44.000 Right.

02:58:44.000 You had to wait.

02:58:45.000 You had to go to Gary's house.

02:58:46.000 You had to wait for the call.

02:58:48.000 You had to listen to your answering machine.

02:58:50.000 Yeah.

02:58:51.000 Was Monica with Debbie?

02:58:52.000 Where are those guys going?

02:58:53.000 That's what I like about going through the 90s movies and TV show, Rabbit Hole, of the actual human experience of being a human.

02:59:02.000 All that entails of like dating or working or just functioning.

02:59:08.000 You had to have patience.

02:59:11.000 You had a different level of like nothing was at a click of a button.

02:59:14.000 You had to go get it.

02:59:15.000 It's a different world.

02:59:17.000 But is it better?

02:59:18.000 That's the question.

02:59:19.000 Isn't it better to have all the answers at your fingertips?

02:59:22.000 It's just different.

02:59:23.000 I don't necessarily think it's bad.

02:59:25.000 My real concern is that we might be the last of the Mohicans.

02:59:31.000 Like 100%.

02:59:32.000 I think we're the last of the real human beings.

02:59:35.000 I think we're destined to be cyborgs.

02:59:38.000 I hope not.

02:59:38.000 And I don't think it's that far off.

02:59:41.000 I think we're going to be lured into it with the idea that it's going to fix diseases and ailments.

02:59:47.000 We're already cyborgs.

02:59:48.000 We're already...

02:59:49.000 Sure.

02:59:49.000 Our consciousness has been altered.

02:59:51.000 Our mental functioning is...

02:59:55.000 We're already on machine time.

02:59:58.000 I just...

03:00:01.000 I don't know.

03:00:02.000 I don't know either.

03:00:04.000 I don't know either, but I think it's just the beginning.

03:00:06.000 It's the tip of the iceberg.

03:00:08.000 All that stuff that you just cited, like people being addicted to Snapchat and stuff, that's all real.

03:00:12.000 That's a thing.

03:00:14.000 You're connected to that device.

03:00:15.000 You keep it charged.

03:00:16.000 You keep getting new ones.

03:00:17.000 Better devices mean better connection.

03:00:19.000 I feel like our greatest purpose now is to reconnect with our own humanity.

03:00:26.000 Yeah.

03:00:26.000 Like, be with your family.

03:00:28.000 You know what I feel like about that?

03:00:29.000 I feel like it's like holding hands at the side of the ocean while the asteroid comes to hit. 0.98

03:00:35.000 I don't think it's going to do a goddamn thing. 0.91

03:00:38.000 I don't know if it's like grounding, survival craft. 0.99

03:00:41.000 Goddammit.

03:00:41.000 Thought we were going to do a beautiful place.

03:00:42.000 No.

03:00:43.000 I think we're going to- Well, I'll be staring into Nick's eyes if that's the case.

03:00:47.000 You will.

03:00:48.000 Yeah.

03:00:48.000 You'll do it together.

03:00:49.000 You both turn your fucking switches on at the same time. 0.99

03:00:52.000 I feel like we're all going to go into a world of accelerated evolution. 1.00

03:00:56.000 That's what I think we're going into a world of.

03:00:58.000 And I think we're going into a world of technologically accelerated evolution.

03:01:02.000 What does Elon say about this stuff?

03:01:03.000 I'm sure you've asked him this.

03:01:05.000 Yep.

03:01:05.000 He's this neural link that they're developing.

03:01:08.000 One of the quotes he said, you'll be able to talk without words. 0.99

03:01:11.000 Fucking hell. 0.99

03:01:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:01:13.000 They're first going to do it with people that are paralyzed and people who don't have access to their limbs or access to the function of their limbs.

03:01:22.000 They're going to be able to reignite these.

03:01:24.000 The idea is to have it function almost like a central nervous system.

03:01:28.000 It's like recharge.

03:01:30.000 These areas that were damaged and like spinal injuries and stuff like that. 0.96

03:01:35.000 I don't know how the fuck they think they're gonna do that.

03:01:37.000 Do you have an understanding of how they think that Neuralink would work with disabled people? 0.98

03:01:42.000 Because that was like one of the possibilities that they said.

03:01:46.000 They've got other...

03:01:47.000 They're not the only company that can do that right now.

03:01:50.000 How many companies are doing that?

03:01:51.000 Well, I don't know.

03:01:52.000 I wouldn't call it companies.

03:01:53.000 Working on stuff?

03:01:54.000 Like government, agencies, or whatever.

03:01:58.000 There's at least two or three different versions of it I've seen.

03:02:00.000 I don't know how well...

03:02:02.000 They've done it with one person who's... 0.98

03:02:05.000 Absolutely paraplegic, like, got fucked up in a war or something like that. 0.86

03:02:08.000 And they've got them to, like, sort of walking with help, you know? 0.98

03:02:12.000 Well, I would imagine if you get paralyzed, it probably takes a long time to develop your ability to walk again after that.

03:02:18.000 Even if they can fix the connections to your legs, they haven't been firing and But if they can actually do that and get someone to walk again at all, that's insane.

03:02:29.000 Yeah, let me see if I can find that.

03:02:30.000 I'm down for that.

03:02:31.000 Yeah, I think that's the way they're going to lure you in, though.

03:02:34.000 I really do.

03:02:35.000 But I do remember something about Neuralink having that hopeful potential someday to help people with injuries.

03:02:43.000 But I think that what they're describing...

03:02:46.000 This is the one I knew of.

03:02:46.000 ...a brain implant restored this man's motion and sense of touch.

03:02:50.000 There it is.

03:02:51.000 Columbus, Ohio.

03:02:52.000 Holla Columbus.

03:02:53.000 O-H. He has a small computer chip in his brain. 0.95

03:02:57.000 They use it to improve the range of motion in his arms and to artificially recreate a sense of touch.

03:03:03.000 Whoa! 0.71

03:03:04.000 I believe he's connected to a giant computer, too.

03:03:07.000 It's not just a wireless connection at this point.

03:03:11.000 So it's a chip that's in his brain, and then the chip is connected to a cable, so he's in the Matrix?

03:03:18.000 Let me see if I can find it.

03:03:23.000 So that's one of the things that they think that these neural implants may be able to do, is to improve people with injuries.

03:03:32.000 So ultimately, if that's the case, that obviously will be very good for people with injuries.

03:03:36.000 The real question is, If people start using any kind of a neural implant and interface it with technology that allows you to access information, has a greater bandwidth for thinking, who knows what kind of programs will be on it that you can run that can give you logical answers to dilemmas. 0.74

03:03:55.000 Like, who knows what the fuck this is going to be like?

03:03:57.000 The thing is, like, everything's... 0.82

03:03:59.000 Wings so wildly in this polarized way.

03:04:03.000 It'd be so awesome if we could just stick with that and still be people that talk to each other.

03:04:08.000 I just don't know if that's an option.

03:04:11.000 I have a feeling that's not going to be an option. 0.89

03:04:13.000 I have a feeling that once people adopt that technology, whatever comes with it, comes with it, and we're going to be on a fucking roller coaster ride off the side of a cliff. 0.95

03:04:22.000 I think we're going to be cyborgs and it's going to happen really quick. 0.69

03:04:25.000 Even on the website for this NeuroLife thing, it says players can immerse themselves in video games soon.

03:04:33.000 This is like applications for what this can already do.

03:04:36.000 Whether or not...

03:04:37.000 Which one is this?

03:04:38.000 This is that NeuroLife one I just showed you.

03:04:40.000 But that's not...

03:04:41.000 They're not talking about an implant, are they?

03:04:44.000 No, no.

03:04:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:04:44.000 They are?

03:04:45.000 On this video, it shows the implant in the back of his head.

03:04:47.000 So using that implant...

03:04:49.000 I think it has to do with that sleeve he has on his arm, too.

03:04:52.000 Okay, so go back to that other page so we can read the description of what it's supposed to be doing.

03:04:56.000 I don't know if it had that full explanation on it.

03:04:57.000 Well, it had whatever that explanation was under it.

03:04:59.000 It was Neuralink.

03:05:02.000 Okay, wearable sleeve showcases our unique background in developing life-enhancing products.

03:05:08.000 For the first time ever, this technology allows us to measure the nerves and muscles of the forearm with high resolution and in real time.

03:05:15.000 The result is targeted simulation interventions that recreate complex dexterous hand movements.

03:05:30.000 What?

03:05:31.000 That's incredible.

03:05:33.000 So as you move your hands, it will show an actual hand because you're moving the muscles that are specific to moving parts of your hand?

03:05:43.000 Is that like a phantom limb thing, but just...

03:05:45.000 So what is that?

03:05:47.000 Recreating his movement of his hand?

03:05:51.000 Is this a person that has a paralyzed hand?

03:05:53.000 Is that what it's supposed to be?

03:05:54.000 I believe so, yeah.

03:05:55.000 Whoa! 0.71

03:05:57.000 Whoa! 0.71

03:05:58.000 See, that's amazing!

03:05:59.000 That's amazing.

03:06:00.000 Right there, I believe that.

03:06:02.000 You can see.

03:06:03.000 Oh, wow. 0.81

03:06:03.000 He's got a chip in his skull. 0.81

03:06:05.000 Yo! 1.00

03:06:06.000 This actually does look like it is wireless.

03:06:09.000 What are you going to do?

03:06:12.000 You're going to get a chip.

03:06:13.000 No, no, I'm not.

03:06:13.000 We're all getting chips.

03:06:14.000 No, I'm not getting one.

03:06:15.000 We're all getting chips.

03:06:15.000 It's going to be amazing.

03:06:16.000 We're going to see through walls, read each other's minds.

03:06:19.000 Can I fly?

03:06:20.000 Yeah, probably.

03:06:21.000 Probably just like go on another planet in your brain.

03:06:24.000 I think that's probably what happens to life.

03:06:28.000 I think what we're doing right now is we're making a cocoon.

03:06:32.000 And then out of that cocoon, a butterfly is going to come out of it.

03:06:34.000 And that butterfly is going to be a new kind of life.

03:06:36.000 You want to be a robot?

03:06:39.000 Not necessarily.

03:06:44.000 What do you want to be?

03:06:45.000 Look, I love all the imperfect parts about being people.

03:06:47.000 It's not like what do you want to be when you grow up.

03:06:49.000 It's what do you want to be.

03:06:50.000 What do you want to be?

03:06:50.000 What do you want to be a robot?

03:06:51.000 What do you want to be when you scientifically evolve?

03:06:55.000 Oh, God.

03:06:57.000 I don't.

03:06:59.000 If I am, I am.

03:07:00.000 I'm not thinking about it like that.

03:07:01.000 I want to be an eagle.

03:07:03.000 If they could tell you, you could be whatever animal you want.

03:07:09.000 Imagine if animals had people brains. 0.97

03:07:10.000 Again, Greek mythology, all the gods would be animals. 0.67

03:07:13.000 Like Zeus would be a bull. 1.00

03:07:15.000 Do you know how fucked we would be if animals were as smart as us? 1.00

03:07:17.000 They're pretty fucking smart. 1.00

03:07:19.000 Are they though? 0.99

03:07:21.000 Intuitively and emotionally...

03:07:23.000 No, they have amazing senses.

03:07:25.000 They have amazing senses. 1.00

03:07:27.000 But as far as smart, no, we can plan shit. 1.00

03:07:31.000 They can't plan shit. 1.00

03:07:32.000 They just go on instinct for the most part. 1.00

03:07:35.000 But if deer could plan shit... 1.00

03:07:39.000 Wait, I've heard that. 1.00

03:07:40.000 If there was suicidal deer...

03:07:43.000 Wasn't there a real thing about raccoons taking over the world or spiders or something?

03:07:48.000 Oh, spiders.

03:07:48.000 If they integrated their instincts intellectually, they'd be taken over in a week and a half or something.

03:07:58.000 You know what would accelerate people's acceptance of climate change?

03:08:02.000 Oh, God.

03:08:03.000 If global warming was making spiders bigger.

03:08:06.000 Yeah.

03:08:07.000 Spiders just started getting real.

03:08:09.000 It turns out there's a switch.

03:08:10.000 Whatever the number is.

03:08:11.000 They're already pretty fucking big. 0.95

03:08:12.000 If the world gets like above one degree temperature, spiders grow by 400%. 0.98

03:08:16.000 Really?

03:08:17.000 Is that a joke?

03:08:19.000 No, I'm just making it up right now.

03:08:20.000 You're making this up.

03:08:20.000 But imagine if this is happening with every degree, but accelerate.

03:08:23.000 So 400% of 400%.

03:08:25.000 I want out.

03:08:26.000 All of a sudden you get a fucking Labrador-sized spider. 1.00

03:08:29.000 Fucking up your grandmother. 1.00

03:08:31.000 You come home, your grandma's wrapped in a cocoon in the middle of the living room. 1.00

03:08:34.000 Have you seen The Mist?

03:08:35.000 I did see The Mist.

03:08:36.000 Oh, God.

03:08:36.000 It was good.

03:08:37.000 It was so dark at the end.

03:08:39.000 Very dark. 1.00

03:08:40.000 Holy shit. 1.00

03:08:40.000 The end is hard. 1.00

03:08:41.000 It's hard.

03:08:42.000 It's very, very difficult.

03:08:43.000 But they were faithful to the book, I think.

03:08:45.000 I think that's why it was so hard.

03:08:46.000 Well, that's what they had.

03:08:47.000 They had these, like, life-size, life-size, you know, insects. 0.99

03:08:51.000 Stephen King, when he was fucked up on the hooch and doing blow, he made some of the greatest fucking books of all time. 0.98

03:08:58.000 Anybody? 0.99

03:08:59.000 You can't tell me any different.

03:09:00.000 I guarantee you, the hooch and the blow. 0.93

03:09:01.000 Do you like scary stuff?

03:09:03.000 Yes!

03:09:03.000 Oh, my God.

03:09:04.000 Really?

03:09:04.000 Like horror films and stuff?

03:09:05.000 Yes!

03:09:06.000 I do not.

03:09:07.000 No?

03:09:07.000 No.

03:09:08.000 Why not?

03:09:11.000 Well, I scare easily.

03:09:13.000 I get startled very easily.

03:09:15.000 I didn't hear somebody come into the room kind of thing.

03:09:18.000 Yeah.

03:09:19.000 Also, life is scary enough.

03:09:22.000 It is scary enough.

03:09:24.000 You know what I really have an aversion to is the religious scary stuff, like the satanic, deep evil. 1.00

03:09:32.000 That's growing up Catholic. 0.74

03:09:34.000 When I saw The Omen as a child, I pulled my twin mattress into my parents' room and I slept there until they finally kicked me out.

03:09:42.000 But I mean, I was almost irrevocably altered at the thought of being taken over and possessed against my will.

03:09:53.000 Like, I didn't invite this in, but it's like a fungus.

03:09:58.000 And it was a possibility. 0.97

03:09:59.000 Just the thought of it is fucking terrifying. 0.95

03:10:01.000 Well, people talked about it like it was a real thing. 0.98

03:10:03.000 Yeah.

03:10:03.000 I was watching a YouTube video once of a guy who's performed exorcists.

03:10:09.000 He was a priest who was talking about different exorcists that he performed.

03:10:12.000 There's really interesting...

03:10:14.000 I mean, you want to get weird?

03:10:15.000 You want to get psychedelic?

03:10:16.000 This stuff is like...

03:10:18.000 I think there is a...

03:10:20.000 Personally, there are some doors not to be knocked on or opened.

03:10:26.000 And spiritually or energetically, I... Energy is powerful.

03:10:32.000 I think human beings are powerful.

03:10:34.000 Our consciousness, whatever is beyond that.

03:10:37.000 And you just don't know.

03:10:39.000 And I have just a real...

03:10:46.000 Inherent instinct and aversion to the other in that way.

03:10:50.000 It scares me.

03:10:52.000 I've done enough psychedelics to have some things that I was learning about within myself and externally.

03:11:01.000 That could sound crazy or like hooey, but I don't know.

03:11:07.000 I don't like to mess with that stuff.

03:11:09.000 It scares me.

03:11:10.000 Well, if it's real, One of the best ways, if you were the devil, you would make it preposterous that you would be real, while at the same time people worship God.

03:11:24.000 Because if you believe in God, you have to believe in the devil, right?

03:11:28.000 It's part of a package deal.

03:11:29.000 But listen, so if the president is on television and says, God bless our troops, everybody's like, all right.

03:11:36.000 But if the president gets on TV and says, we've located the devil, he's in Sudan, we're sending troops there immediately, you're like, what? 0.99

03:11:43.000 The fucking actual devil? 1.00

03:11:44.000 No, bitch. 1.00

03:11:45.000 This guy's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

03:11:47.000 You can say, God bless us all. 1.00

03:11:49.000 May God be with you.

03:11:51.000 You can say, I am a God-fearing man and I believe in God.

03:11:54.000 I think God has a message for us all.

03:11:56.000 You can say all those things.

03:11:57.000 Sure. 1.00

03:11:57.000 But if you say, I know where the devil is, we're going to go kill him. 1.00

03:12:02.000 That's it? 1.00

03:12:03.000 You believe in the devil, you fucking idiot. 1.00

03:12:06.000 You believe in the actual devil. 1.00

03:12:07.000 There's an actual devil.

03:12:08.000 But wouldn't that be the best way for the devil to hide?

03:12:12.000 Wouldn't, if the devil's real, if Satan is real, and if there really are demons, wouldn't the best way to just hide in plain sight and ridicule?

03:12:21.000 Absolutely.

03:12:22.000 Imagine if all of the evil of the world...

03:12:24.000 I don't think we need to imagine it. 0.99

03:12:26.000 All the creepy shit that's infecting Putin's brain right now, and all these dictators, and all the people that are having people murdered and assassinated, attacking, and imagine if that's all just demons. 0.98

03:12:36.000 It takes a specific kind of being slash vessel, you know, like you kind of, I don't know, I don't know. 1.00

03:12:42.000 Maybe demons are just thoughts.

03:12:44.000 But also sociopaths.

03:12:46.000 Yeah, there's that too. 0.98

03:12:47.000 Scientifically, there's a real mental deficiency of...

03:12:52.000 I mean, there's no empathy.

03:12:54.000 That's real.

03:12:55.000 There's real ones.

03:12:55.000 Yeah.

03:12:56.000 Which is very frightening.

03:13:00.000 But let's stay in the light.

03:13:01.000 That is frightening.

03:13:03.000 And that's a function of what?

03:13:05.000 Is it a function of genetics?

03:13:06.000 Is it a function of raising a child?

03:13:08.000 Is it a combination of all those things?

03:13:10.000 Nature, nurture, and other things.

03:13:13.000 And other things.

03:13:13.000 And just like, is it just a function sometimes of you just didn't get wired correctly?

03:13:19.000 How many people do you know that are just not wired right?

03:13:22.000 A deal.

03:13:23.000 A good deal.

03:13:24.000 A bunch.

03:13:24.000 A good deal.

03:13:25.000 A bunch.

03:13:26.000 Especially artists.

03:13:28.000 Some artists are just not wired right.

03:13:30.000 So Nick is a big comic book maven, knows probably every major Marvel, you name it.

03:13:38.000 And he introduced me to this comic called Prometheus by Alan Moore.

03:13:44.000 And basically, it's almost like an entire dissertation on magic, and like Aleister Crowley and the Cabal.

03:13:52.000 And one, I've really enjoyed it.

03:13:55.000 Two, there's a lot of relevance to its...

03:14:00.000 I mean...

03:14:04.000 Basically, the cabal is like the tree of life.

03:14:08.000 And from the lower sphere, which is like us, and then moving up through this thing to the godhead, which is like the pinprick of our existence and soul, if you want to look at it like that.

03:14:20.000 And I've just been, one, enamored and fascinated by it, by this just literature and literal ancient texts.

03:14:28.000 Like the cabal and Solomonic magic is like...

03:14:33.000 I've been around for a long time. 0.89

03:14:36.000 And there's something that, like, gets the hair on the back of my neck, like, just standing up with, like, holy shit, what am I reading right now? 0.90

03:14:49.000 I don't know. 0.73

03:14:49.000 I like to lead by my instinct and my own understanding of the world. 0.73

03:14:54.000 And so this stuff is, it kind of speaks to that in a way that I can't like in detail get into it.

03:15:02.000 But it's, you know, like we're talking about science.

03:15:06.000 We're talking about cyborgs.

03:15:07.000 We're talking about other dimensional aspects to our existence.

03:15:12.000 And that's like magic to me.

03:15:16.000 There might be something to it.

03:15:17.000 There might be something to just getting people to believe it.

03:15:21.000 Maybe that's almost enough.

03:15:23.000 Yeah, but I'm really interested in ancient text and just the recycling and recirculation of that stuff of like, why does that keep coming up?

03:15:33.000 And I can understand how this feels like that and this feels like that in our present day experience.

03:15:40.000 I don't know.

03:15:42.000 Yeah.

03:15:43.000 I'm just talking about what I've read and what I've experienced.

03:15:48.000 It is creepy.

03:15:49.000 When you think about old stuff and the devil, that's the creepiest.

03:15:52.000 That's why the exorcists are so creepy.

03:15:54.000 They found that old talisman.

03:15:56.000 Can't do it.

03:15:57.000 I stay away from it.

03:15:58.000 I have an aversion to it.

03:15:59.000 I don't want it.

03:16:00.000 There's something about ancient stuff and the devil that's the scariest stuff.

03:16:04.000 Like they found an old scroll and if you read it out loud...

03:16:07.000 Well, yeah.

03:16:08.000 I mean, even the Bible has so many other versions of itself.

03:16:16.000 You have the King James Version and then you have all these other things.

03:16:20.000 I don't want to read Revelations.

03:16:23.000 I'm too scared.

03:16:24.000 The Old Testament's the most fascinating to me.

03:16:27.000 Have you read it?

03:16:28.000 The problem with the New Testament is, from what I understand, it was created and curated by Constantine and a bunch of bishops.

03:16:36.000 They literally decided what to put in the New Testament and what to not put in. 0.98

03:16:41.000 When you get to the Old Testament, the Old Testament is the wildest shit, because it shows how petty people were over things. 0.98

03:16:48.000 Like in one of them, there's a story about how a guy who's bald- No tolerance. 0.99

03:16:52.000 This is a guy who's bald, and some kids called him a bald head, and so a bear comes out of the woods and kills all the kids.

03:17:02.000 Because the guy was bald.

03:17:04.000 What's the lesson?

03:17:05.000 The lesson is don't be mean to bald guys. 1.00

03:17:08.000 It's the dumbest lesson ever. 1.00

03:17:11.000 It's like this fucking guy, these kids murdered. 1.00

03:17:14.000 He had them murdered because they called him a bald head. 1.00

03:17:18.000 And this was like God's version of righteousness. 1.00

03:17:22.000 There's some wild shit in the Old Testament. 0.99

03:17:24.000 What is that story? 0.98

03:17:26.000 What is that exact story about the dude Just looking it up, this article here says it's a misunderstood tale, and it's actually about war.

03:17:34.000 I was trying to get into this, but you asked too quick before I could find out. 0.97

03:17:37.000 Oh, well, it's about a fucking bear eating kids, though. 0.97

03:17:42.000 Whatever his interpretation of what the ultimate meaning was supposed to be, as thought down over thousands of years of text and oral tradition that spans a thousand years after that, or before that... 0.98

03:17:55.000 What is the actual verse?

03:17:57.000 What is it about?

03:18:01.000 So it's some boys, they tease him.

03:18:04.000 Okay.

03:18:06.000 Some boys tease him.

03:18:09.000 So it says, he went up from Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, go up, you bald head.

03:18:19.000 Go up, you bald head.

03:18:21.000 So that was enough.

03:18:23.000 And God was like, I've heard enough.

03:18:25.000 I will now send in bears. 1.00

03:18:28.000 So then God sent in a fucking she-bear, I think he said. 1.00

03:18:32.000 He called it a she-bear. 0.99

03:18:34.000 So what does it say?

03:18:35.000 What happens where the bear comes in?

03:18:38.000 Well, this is all talking about how it's wrong, so...

03:18:40.000 Okay.

03:18:41.000 Let's find what the...

03:18:42.000 It kind of sounds like what's going on now.

03:18:44.000 Let's find what the translation is first, and then we'll go and refute it.

03:18:47.000 I just want to see what the actual translation was.

03:18:53.000 Here's the text.

03:18:54.000 First paragraph.

03:18:55.000 Okay. 0.99

03:18:56.000 Came out telling children, go up you bald head.

03:18:58.000 They said, go on up you bald head. 0.61

03:19:02.000 He turned around, looked at them, and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord.

03:19:08.000 Lord is in all caps.

03:19:10.000 Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the youths.

03:19:15.000 It seems unbelievable that God would cause two bears to maul a group of children for making fun of a man for being bald.

03:19:23.000 Who wrote this?

03:19:24.000 This one also refutes it too.

03:19:26.000 But is that the translation?

03:19:28.000 I was even going to say the bald head translation right away goes, well, what word did they use back then and how did it get translated to English as the saying bald head? 0.99

03:19:38.000 But even if he said fuckhead, if he called him a fuckhead, the kids killed by bears. 1.00

03:19:43.000 Did they have fuck back then? 1.00

03:19:43.000 Was that a word? 1.00

03:19:44.000 Maybe it's bald.

03:19:45.000 Maybe bald was fun. 1.00

03:19:47.000 They even called him cunt head. 1.00

03:19:49.000 That's literally God's reaction is to have a bear kill 42 kids. 1.00

03:19:54.000 I don't know how you could spin that.

03:19:56.000 This sounds like they're trying to spin it.

03:19:57.000 That's where I was going to go.

03:19:58.000 The word for bald might not have been the thing that they used.

03:20:00.000 Someone got stuck on bald, you know, because they wanted to have a story that way.

03:20:05.000 Perhaps, yeah.

03:20:05.000 Perhaps.

03:20:06.000 But no matter what the name would be that he would call him, cunt head, there's not a chance in hell that a righteous God would send a bear to kill those kids. 0.99

03:20:16.000 So if that's the actual translation, that a bear came and killed the children, which I've always understood it to be, Kurt Metzger explained to me what that saying, go on up, you bald head, that it's like, it's more harsh. 1.00

03:20:31.000 It's like, we think of it as like, I mean, it's like going up your asshole or something like that. 0.99

03:20:35.000 It's like, it's mean. 1.00

03:20:37.000 It's not, it seems like, get out of here, bald head.

03:20:39.000 It sounds like so pedestrian. 0.82

03:20:41.000 You scallywag. 1.00

03:20:42.000 Yeah, it probably has a harsher connotation to it.

03:20:45.000 But either way... 0.99

03:20:47.000 God decides to have a bear come and kill the kids? 1.00

03:20:50.000 What the fuck? 1.00

03:20:51.000 So those stories are the most fascinating to me. 0.99

03:20:53.000 Because, like, how petty people were.

03:20:55.000 And it was obvious, like, there was, like, human, like, feelings of the world divorced from God's...

03:21:03.000 If there is a pure loving God and that God gave us a message, people fucked that message up. 0.98

03:21:09.000 By the time they translated it down, there's a lot of human jizz all over it. 0.99

03:21:13.000 A lot of human junk in it. 0.98

03:21:15.000 That's what this whole Promethea thing explains in a really beautiful way. 0.90

03:21:19.000 Have you ever read the Apocrypha?

03:21:21.000 No.

03:21:22.000 Those are the books that were taken out of the Bible.

03:21:27.000 I haven't read them either, but I know a little bit about them.

03:21:29.000 And, you know, it's kind of like, I kind of look at some of that as political and a sign of the times.

03:21:35.000 You know, you were sort of trying to steer people a certain way.

03:21:38.000 I don't know.

03:21:40.000 But...

03:21:40.000 To me, the most interesting version is the Dead Sea Scrolls.

03:21:44.000 Sure.

03:21:44.000 Yeah.

03:21:47.000 Yeah.

03:22:01.000 A language expert.

03:22:02.000 And so he's hired to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls.

03:22:04.000 So they did it for 14 years he deciphered these things.

03:22:07.000 They're putting together these.

03:22:08.000 They had to use DNA because they had to make sure that the cow, the fragments were from the same cow, which would indicate that it was the same piece of skin.

03:22:15.000 Okay.

03:22:16.000 Because it's literally on animal skins.

03:22:18.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

03:22:18.000 They found these ceramic vessels in Qumran hidden in the fucking side of a mountain. 0.99

03:22:24.000 Wild shit. 1.00

03:22:25.000 So they take these down. 1.00

03:22:27.000 They realize this is the oldest version of the Bible by far.

03:22:30.000 And I think it's in Aramaic.

03:22:32.000 It's one of the only ones in Aramaic.

03:22:33.000 And at the end of this translation, over 14 years, John Marco Allegro writes a book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.

03:22:41.000 And he says the entire religion was a misunderstanding.

03:22:43.000 And what it was originally about was psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.

03:22:48.000 And that's what created this religion.

03:22:51.000 These people were taking mushrooms, and they were experiencing God, and they were having fertility rituals because they were trying to be as bountiful and have as many babies as possible.

03:23:00.000 And that's what the Bible was originally all about.

03:23:03.000 Now, by the way, it's heavily disputed.

03:23:05.000 A lot of people don't agree with him.

03:23:06.000 A lot of people think it's blasphemy and it's this and it's that.

03:23:09.000 But the fact remains that this guy was a legit scholar, rock-solid credentials, not a drug addict, not a guy who even did psychedelics.

03:23:17.000 But it was his interpretation after all this time that a lot of the things in the story had meanings that would go back to psychedelic mushrooms.

03:23:26.000 And one of them was the word Christ.

03:23:28.000 He said you could trace the word Christ back to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.

03:23:37.000 They thought that when it rained, it was the Lord putting semen on the earth.

03:23:42.000 And that's why things would grow from the rain.

03:23:45.000 And one of the things that would grow is these mushrooms, like overnight. 0.97

03:23:48.000 So overnight, they'd find these psilocybin mushrooms and these Amanita muscaria mushrooms, like on cow shit. 0.98

03:23:53.000 And they'd pick them up and they'd eat them and they'd trip balls. 0.97

03:23:55.000 And so they wanted to protect that and hide that from intruders.

03:24:00.000 And they hid it in stories and allegories.

03:24:03.000 And this was his assertion.

03:24:05.000 Well, that's the thing, too.

03:24:06.000 Like, first of all, that's amazing.

03:24:08.000 Wild, right?

03:24:09.000 It's wild, yeah.

03:24:10.000 But, like, this, like, when do we have the opportunity to record something?

03:24:16.000 Like, this is all handmade.

03:24:17.000 These are stories.

03:24:18.000 These are stories after story and allegory.

03:24:21.000 And, like, it's really...

03:24:25.000 I mean, it's amazing how we can marry ourselves to these ideas and concepts.

03:24:31.000 And I have mine, I really do, that are real for me in thought and spirit and intention.

03:24:43.000 People have decimated other countries over these allegories and these stories.

03:24:48.000 Sure.

03:24:48.000 Yeah, they've crushed nations and killed innocents.

03:24:51.000 And we're probably doing it right now.

03:24:54.000 It's a real...

03:24:56.000 It's amazing how the scales have tipped between your ideologies that become religions and the way that we attack and defend and...

03:25:13.000 I don't know.

03:25:14.000 I don't know what to do out there.

03:25:16.000 But the stuff we're talking about, and even as an idea, is fascinating.

03:25:21.000 And I love to explore it.

03:25:22.000 Why not explore the idea of Christ being a mushroom?

03:25:26.000 It might really be.

03:25:27.000 It might really be.

03:25:28.000 Because if you think about some of the teachings of Christ, They really, like, align with, like, psychedelic mindset, treating each other like we're all the same, that we're all one.

03:25:40.000 No, I felt that oneness before, that feeling, that thing, that God place, like, 100%.

03:25:46.000 100%.

03:25:46.000 And I have my interpretation of it, and so does so many people.

03:25:51.000 Yeah.

03:25:52.000 So many people do.

03:25:53.000 It's kind of like, do you want to write a book about it called The Secret?

03:25:56.000 You want to just live your life.

03:25:58.000 Live your life the right way.

03:26:00.000 Just be cool, man.

03:26:01.000 Yeah, try to be cool, man.

03:26:03.000 Jesus, just be cool.

03:26:07.000 Yeah.

03:26:09.000 But it's like that's what we're all doing, right?

03:26:11.000 We're all just trying to figure out how to live life better.

03:26:13.000 And when something comes along that seems to be like a method that other people are using, whether it's a religion or whether it's being a Democrat, whatever it is that gets you thinking that you're on the right side of things and you're with a good community and you support – you get into it.

03:26:27.000 We have problems. 0.88

03:26:30.000 In adopting patterns of thinking and behavior and being tribal and fucking being against other people that we determined to be of a differing ideology. 0.94

03:26:40.000 And we would justify horrible behavior in the name of doing that. 0.50

03:26:46.000 I don't know if that's our fault, necessarily.

03:26:48.000 I think the influence of technology or other machines that we don't really know about yet, that pit us against each other, we used to be able to coexist with different ideas and religions and opinions, but now it's like, it is so polarized,

03:27:04.000 and it's like life or death.

03:27:06.000 There is a lot of polarization, and you're right.

03:27:08.000 There are a lot of foreign factors. 0.95

03:27:10.000 There's a lot of governments that are dedicated to fucking with people online and getting people to fight with each other. 0.96

03:27:16.000 That's real. 0.95

03:27:17.000 I mean, that is a 100% real thing that seems like it shouldn't be real.

03:27:21.000 It seems like espionage, cyber espionage, some kind of crazy diversion of the attention of people.

03:27:28.000 But it's real.

03:27:29.000 They really are doing it.

03:27:30.000 And whether it has a 1% effect on people or a 10% effect on people, whatever effect, it has an effect.

03:27:36.000 And you've got to be aware of it.

03:27:38.000 But I think that's one of those things that we're going to work through.

03:27:40.000 We're going to have to be more sophisticated about what we absorb.

03:27:44.000 And ultimately, it's going to be like a cyber winter.

03:27:49.000 We're going to have to go through a cyber winter, develop some thick skin.

03:27:52.000 And maybe that's what kids are going through.

03:27:54.000 They're going through cyber winter.

03:27:55.000 Like, I wouldn't want them to go through winter.

03:27:57.000 I never went through winter.

03:27:58.000 My poor children have to shovel snow.

03:28:00.000 Maybe that's what they have to do.

03:28:02.000 They have to shovel cyber snow.

03:28:03.000 All-wheel drive.

03:28:04.000 Upstairs.

03:28:04.000 Yeah, all-wheel drive with your mind.

03:28:06.000 Free yourself from it.

03:28:08.000 And maybe it's our job as people that have lived in both realms.

03:28:12.000 You know, you and I both grew up with no internet.

03:28:14.000 And then all of a sudden there was an internet when we became adults.

03:28:17.000 And we kind of grew up with it along the way.

03:28:20.000 It absorbs and becomes a part of your life.

03:28:22.000 But we know both worlds.

03:28:24.000 They're not going to know both worlds.

03:28:26.000 Yeah, I feel fortunate to have that.

03:28:28.000 They will never understand.

03:28:29.000 They will never understand our version of the world. 1.00

03:28:32.000 Just like we'll never understand the people that came over on a fucking horse-pulled buggy A wagon with your family, your babies on a wagon. 0.99

03:28:42.000 And there's a dusty road and there's like seven or eight other people like you ahead of you. 0.99

03:28:47.000 And like 20 things that are going to kill you in the next day.

03:28:50.000 And then you see Indians. 1.00

03:28:53.000 And you're like, well, we're going to be one of those stories.

03:28:56.000 We're not going to make it.

03:28:58.000 I love Deadwood.

03:29:00.000 What a show. 0.68

03:29:02.000 The American West, like, think about how fascinating people were with, like, the settling of the American West, and that's only, like, a couple of hundred years.

03:29:09.000 It's not a long time in human history, but it's so iconic in our understanding of what happened to America.

03:29:17.000 You know what the best interpretation of it, I think, is?

03:29:20.000 What?

03:29:21.000 The Clint Eastwood movie.

03:29:21.000 What is that movie?

03:29:22.000 Clint Eastwood, the one where he's the older guy and he came back.

03:29:27.000 Do you remember, Jamie?

03:29:28.000 Yeah.

03:29:29.000 I know which one you're talking about.

03:29:30.000 I can't remember what it's called.

03:29:32.000 I'm so sorry I can't remember it right now.

03:29:34.000 It's on the tip of my tongue.

03:29:37.000 Morgan Freeman, Cleen Eastwood.

03:29:42.000 I know.

03:29:43.000 I know. 0.99

03:29:44.000 Goddammit. 0.98

03:29:44.000 People are screaming at their phones right now. 0.98

03:29:46.000 I'm so sorry.

03:29:47.000 Unforgiven?

03:29:48.000 Unforgiven.

03:29:49.000 Thank you.

03:29:49.000 I thought it was like a harder...

03:29:52.000 No, I just couldn't get it.

03:29:53.000 It just wasn't there for me.

03:29:54.000 I didn't take Alpha Brain today.

03:29:55.000 It's the cardio.

03:29:57.000 There it is.

03:29:57.000 I'm just kidding.

03:29:57.000 That's a reverse commercial.

03:29:58.000 I didn't take Alpha Brain. 1.00

03:30:00.000 Now I'm stupid. 0.98

03:30:01.000 But that movie was... 0.99

03:30:04.000 That was like the end.

03:30:06.000 It was such a good, it was almost like he was wrapping up a story.

03:30:10.000 Like he had to do these movies when he was younger and he had a version of the West that was very cartoonish in a way and maybe even missing, you know, missing some beats of reality.

03:30:23.000 They're 1970s movies, right?

03:30:24.000 And then he made a real one.

03:30:26.000 And in this one, this one's harsh.

03:30:28.000 This one's harsh.

03:30:29.000 And this one gets you a feeling like what it really would be like to live back then.

03:30:34.000 Oh my god, think about what it smelled like. 0.74

03:30:38.000 Like all these brothels and disgusting people. 1.00

03:30:41.000 Everyone's teeth are rotten out of their fucking heads. 1.00

03:30:43.000 Let alone like going to a whorehouse. 1.00

03:30:46.000 Everyone had to be disgusting. 1.00

03:30:47.000 Everyone's dying of syphilis. 0.98

03:30:48.000 Oh my god.

03:30:49.000 No, it's really...

03:30:51.000 You know, they say that that's what happened.

03:30:52.000 Europeans came over to America.

03:30:55.000 And got syphilis and brought it back to Europe. 0.89

03:30:58.000 Yeah.

03:31:00.000 That's like during the 1400s when all those dudes were wearing the wigs because they had like holes in their heads because of syphilis.

03:31:07.000 Well, that's over the vajaj.

03:31:08.000 I know.

03:31:09.000 They had one of those too.

03:31:11.000 But those people got it.

03:31:13.000 They got it from here.

03:31:15.000 Apparently, that's the theory.

03:31:17.000 That was their super bug, Joe.

03:31:19.000 Yeah, they brought it over to them.

03:31:24.000 That's the scariest thing.

03:31:25.000 You think about like 90% of the people in this whole continent were killed by disease over a small period of time.

03:31:31.000 I think that's where this like survival of the fittest came in.

03:31:34.000 Like you had to fight to live and you were in a covered wagon trying to have a better life than wherever you were coming from.

03:31:44.000 And you probably didn't know what kind of dangers lay ahead. 1.00

03:31:47.000 Fuck no! 1.00

03:31:48.000 They didn't really tell you that well. 1.00

03:31:49.000 No!

03:31:50.000 No!

03:31:50.000 I mean, like, imagine all the animals that were omnipresent all over this country that aren't, like, you don't have bears in, you know, California.

03:32:00.000 Well, you still do.

03:32:01.000 Yeah, if one of your horses gets taken out in the middle of the night by a wolf.

03:32:05.000 Wolves.

03:32:06.000 Oof.

03:32:06.000 Tigers.

03:32:07.000 Or cougars, rather.

03:32:08.000 Not tigers.

03:32:09.000 Oof.

03:32:11.000 Jaguars.

03:32:12.000 Were there jaguars?

03:32:14.000 There's jaguars still in America.

03:32:15.000 They show up in Arizona.

03:32:18.000 Very rarely.

03:32:19.000 There were tons of cougars.

03:32:20.000 Are cougars and jaguars the same thing?

03:32:21.000 No, no, no.

03:32:22.000 Jaguar is a South American animal.

03:32:25.000 Right.

03:32:25.000 It's a really big cat.

03:32:27.000 Right.

03:32:28.000 Bigger than a cougar?

03:32:29.000 Mm-hmm.

03:32:30.000 Yeah.

03:32:30.000 I think jaguars...

03:32:32.000 I don't think they have them.

03:32:33.000 I think Florida has a puma.

03:32:35.000 And it's a mountain lion, basically.

03:32:37.000 It's a mountain lion that lives in Florida.

03:32:38.000 And they...

03:32:39.000 Unfortunately, a lot of them get hit on the highways.

03:32:41.000 I've seen it.

03:32:42.000 Yeah.

03:32:43.000 Have you?

03:32:43.000 I've seen dead ones, yeah.

03:32:44.000 Really?

03:32:44.000 I've seen dead ones, yeah.

03:32:45.000 In Florida?

03:32:45.000 No.

03:32:46.000 Montana.

03:32:47.000 Oh, yeah.

03:32:48.000 I think one was in Montana.

03:32:49.000 I've seen two.

03:32:50.000 But, like, I mean, you could see it.

03:32:51.000 It was clearly a big cat.

03:32:53.000 Yeah.

03:32:54.000 But...

03:32:55.000 I've seen them in the wild on three occasions.

03:32:58.000 Two occasions, it was very briefly, and they were both pretty small.

03:33:02.000 One of them was in the woods in Colorado, one of them was on the street in Montecito. 0.99

03:33:08.000 No shit? 0.96

03:33:09.000 Yeah, I saw this thing and I thought it was a coyote for a second, and I saw the tail. 1.00

03:33:12.000 I was like, oh shit, that's a cat! 0.99

03:33:14.000 Wow. 1.00

03:33:15.000 It was a big cat.

03:33:16.000 Not a big cat, like 60 pounds, something like that.

03:33:19.000 And then I saw one in Utah a year ago that was about 180, 190. It was huge.

03:33:27.000 It was big.

03:33:28.000 Were you far away?

03:33:29.000 Yeah, I was 30 yards away and I was inside of a truck.

03:33:32.000 But it was chilling.

03:33:35.000 I was looking through the glasses at it.

03:33:36.000 I had put up binoculars, so I was, like, looking.

03:33:39.000 It was only 30 yards away, and I'm looking.

03:33:40.000 I'm, like, right on top of it with the binos.

03:33:42.000 They're really good binoculars.

03:33:44.000 And it is huge.

03:33:46.000 It has this giant pumpkin head because it's got all these muscles on the side of its head for crushing things.

03:33:52.000 I mean, this is a big tom.

03:33:53.000 And it has enormous paws and forearms.

03:33:56.000 That's what I noticed.

03:33:57.000 Like, the forearms were enormous.

03:33:59.000 They're these big, thick, like, rope-like things that take out elk.

03:34:03.000 And it's just sitting there like that underneath this tree looking at us. 0.99

03:34:06.000 We're like, holy shit. 0.99

03:34:08.000 So when you're hunting, I mean, you're susceptible. 1.00

03:34:10.000 Oh, yeah.

03:34:11.000 So what do you, like, are you, I mean, obviously you hunt with other people.

03:34:15.000 Yeah, generally I use at least, going with at least one guy.

03:34:19.000 Okay.

03:34:19.000 Most of the time it's one guy and me.

03:34:21.000 That's it.

03:34:21.000 Yeah.

03:34:22.000 That sounds, like you should get more guys.

03:34:25.000 You should be with at least four.

03:34:26.000 Nope.

03:34:27.000 You make too much noise.

03:34:28.000 You're a dad.

03:34:28.000 You make too much noise.

03:34:30.000 You can't get too much smell and too much movement and too much noise.

03:34:34.000 You want to do it with the minimum amount of people possible.

03:34:36.000 Too much smell.

03:34:37.000 So are you aware of what you wash with that day and stuff?

03:34:41.000 It won't work.

03:34:43.000 Their noses are too good.

03:34:45.000 It's so insane, their sense of smell.

03:34:48.000 It's all about finding where the wind is going.

03:34:50.000 So what you do is you carry this little wind checker with you.

03:34:54.000 So it's like a white powder, like talcum powder.

03:34:56.000 And you puff it in the air.

03:34:57.000 And it shows you which way the wind is blowing.

03:35:00.000 So if the wind is blowing that way, we're going that way.

03:35:03.000 Because that way the wind is in our face and the animals aren't going to get our scent.

03:35:08.000 Their scent is going to come towards us, but they're not getting our scent. 1.00

03:35:11.000 But if they do get your scent, you're fucked. 1.00

03:35:14.000 From hundreds of yards away. 1.00

03:35:15.000 Hundreds of yards away.

03:35:16.000 They pop up and one of them will bark. 0.99

03:35:19.000 And then they fucking take off. 0.99

03:35:21.000 They make noises. 1.00

03:35:22.000 They woof.

03:35:23.000 Different animals do different things.

03:35:25.000 Have you had any scary run-ins with things before?

03:35:30.000 I haven't had any scary run-ins with things other than in Alberta, I did see a grizzly bear.

03:35:35.000 And that was a very different...

03:35:37.000 And it wasn't a big one either.

03:35:38.000 It was like a six-foot bear, which is not big for grizzly bears.

03:35:41.000 But the way it looked at me was so much different than anything that I've ever seen in the wild.

03:35:47.000 It looks at you like this.

03:35:49.000 Like, black bears?

03:35:50.000 I've seen black bears in the wild, and they look at you like this, like, what are you, are you gonna eat me?

03:35:54.000 Are you gonna eat food, or am I gonna eat you, or are you gonna eat me?

03:36:00.000 They're a little nervous.

03:36:01.000 Grizzly bears don't look at you like that.

03:36:02.000 They look at you like this.

03:36:04.000 Like, right at you.

03:36:05.000 Am I gonna eat you?

03:36:07.000 I was trying to think, if she'd eat me.

03:36:08.000 And we had shotguns.

03:36:11.000 Do you have a handgun too?

03:36:12.000 Not at the time.

03:36:12.000 I feel like you should bring a handgun.

03:36:14.000 Probably a good move when you're around bears.

03:36:15.000 Bring a shotgun and a handgun.

03:36:16.000 Just because you're my friend and I love you. 1.00

03:36:18.000 Probably bring armor and shit. 0.98

03:36:19.000 Probably should not be there. 0.99

03:36:20.000 This is more me worrying about you.

03:36:22.000 But just looking at them eye to eye and thinking this is a thing that's taken out moose. 0.99

03:36:27.000 This thing's out eating moose calves and shit. 1.00

03:36:30.000 And cannibalizing other bears too. 0.99

03:36:33.000 They eat each other a lot.

03:36:35.000 I like to fall asleep to, like, planet Earth.

03:36:38.000 Stuff like that if I'm anxious.

03:36:39.000 But I have to avoid the hardcore parts.

03:36:42.000 You know, basically bears and, like, tigers.

03:36:46.000 Because it just gets...

03:36:47.000 It's too intense.

03:36:48.000 And I'm trying to relax, but then my heart rate goes up.

03:36:51.000 You know what might be more intense?

03:36:53.000 What?

03:36:53.000 But we're just not looking at it at scale.

03:36:55.000 It's praying mantises. 1.00

03:36:57.000 They might be the most evil motherfuckers on Earth. 1.00

03:36:59.000 I went down a praying mantis rabbit hole this morning. 1.00

03:37:02.000 Did you see one? 0.99

03:37:04.000 No, I was watching a fucking Instagram reel and it had this praying mantis that was destroying like a caterpillar, just holding it and just eats the whole thing. 0.99

03:37:16.000 I mean, it's almost as big as it. 0.98

03:37:18.000 Yeah.

03:37:19.000 And it consumes the whole thing. 0.97

03:37:20.000 Then she kills her lover. 0.99

03:37:22.000 Is that what they do? 0.99

03:37:23.000 Oh, yeah.

03:37:24.000 Praying mantises do that? 0.64

03:37:24.000 Yeah, they kill their mate. 0.64

03:37:26.000 They mate with them and then they eat them. 0.97

03:37:28.000 That's a Black Widow thing too, right? 1.00

03:37:30.000 No, I don't think so.

03:37:31.000 I think that's a praying mantis thing.

03:37:32.000 I thought the Black Widow, that was like the whole thing.

03:37:34.000 Jamie? 0.77

03:37:35.000 She kills the dad. 1.00

03:37:36.000 Like, fuck you, bitch. 1.00

03:37:37.000 I'll raise my own kids. 1.00

03:37:38.000 No, I think they go off and he's like, here's your baby.

03:37:41.000 Bye.

03:37:42.000 Take care of it.

03:37:43.000 Really?

03:37:44.000 Hmm.

03:37:45.000 I don't know.

03:37:46.000 But no, praying mantis...

03:37:48.000 Myth.

03:37:49.000 Myth.

03:37:49.000 When black widow spiders mate, the female always kills and eats the male.

03:37:53.000 Fact.

03:37:53.000 This myth, which is not totally false, but very far from true, is believed even by scientists and can be found in many ecology textbooks.

03:38:03.000 Okay, but if it's not totally false, it's like, do you eat your husbands?

03:38:06.000 I don't eat all my husbands.

03:38:09.000 Sometimes they do a good job and they're polite.

03:38:12.000 I let them live.

03:38:13.000 But I've seen it.

03:38:14.000 I've seen them.

03:38:14.000 They kind of stick together and then all of a sudden one of their heads is gone.

03:38:18.000 You know what's the most evil?

03:38:19.000 What?

03:38:20.000 Octopuses.

03:38:21.000 What? 0.97

03:38:21.000 Because female octopuses are larger than the males and they'll have sex with the males until they decide they don't want to anymore and then they often kill them and eat them. 0.97

03:38:30.000 That is unfortunate.

03:38:31.000 So the male might successfully breed with the female like 13 times in a row.

03:38:36.000 And he's going back for lucky 14. She's like, not today, bitch. 1.00

03:38:41.000 You're worn out, you're welcome. 1.00

03:38:42.000 And she kills him and she eats him. 1.00

03:38:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:38:44.000 But he died doing what he loves. 0.99

03:38:46.000 Good point.

03:38:48.000 Solid point.

03:38:51.000 What a ruthless world that is.

03:38:53.000 And you want to complain about pronouns?

03:38:56.000 Jesus Christ.

03:38:58.000 That's what I'm saying.

03:38:59.000 This whole time.

03:39:00.000 You're not a plural.

03:39:03.000 That was one of my favorite Dave Chappelle's when he was talking about, like, they're coming for you.

03:39:10.000 And he's like, well, they, they, or they.

03:39:12.000 Like, he was trying to figure out which they's were coming from.

03:39:16.000 Did you know the Black Widow's venom liquefies its victim and it sucks it up?

03:39:20.000 That is.

03:39:20.000 Oh, my gosh.

03:39:21.000 That is terrifying.

03:39:22.000 Jesus Christ.

03:39:23.000 Because this article says that that's exactly what it does to its male.

03:39:26.000 But I just read through the whole thing and it's kind of like...

03:39:28.000 Feast on males after mating with them and liquefy their prey. 1.00

03:39:32.000 What the fuck? 1.00

03:39:33.000 If that's the case, that other person sounds like a black widow apologist. 1.00

03:39:37.000 Well, I read through the whole thing.

03:39:38.000 Didn't they?

03:39:39.000 Very much so.

03:39:40.000 Like, no, sometimes it's true.

03:39:42.000 You've got to say something nice.

03:39:43.000 But let's not focus on that!

03:39:45.000 Let's focus on how good they are.

03:39:47.000 It's not all bad.

03:39:48.000 Look at the bright side. 0.89

03:39:49.000 How good they are at raising black widows! 0.96

03:39:51.000 They're so successful. 0.88

03:39:52.000 They've infiltrated the community.

03:39:53.000 They're under all your pool mattresses. 1.00

03:39:57.000 Spiders apparently do it, not just black widows. 1.00

03:39:59.000 Oh, they all do it.

03:39:59.000 There's a lot of spiders that do that.

03:40:00.000 Oh, Jesus.

03:40:01.000 That insect world, that's what I'm talking about. 1.00

03:40:03.000 That is the motherfucker of worlds. 1.00

03:40:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:40:05.000 And that praying mantis is the motherfucker of the insect world. 0.99

03:40:08.000 They just hold on to bees. 1.00

03:40:10.000 They catch bees, and they're like, nah, bitch, I'm just gonna eat you head first. 1.00

03:40:15.000 They eat them asshole first. 1.00

03:40:16.000 Like, they have bees. 1.00

03:40:17.000 It's ruthless out there.

03:40:18.000 I don't know what to tell you.

03:40:19.000 Find a video of a praying mantis eating a wasp.

03:40:23.000 They just kill wasps. 1.00

03:40:25.000 And when they do them, they're like, you ain't shit. 0.99

03:40:27.000 I've known people that kept them as pets, which I thought was... 0.99

03:40:29.000 Praying mantises?

03:40:29.000 Yeah.

03:40:30.000 Look at that.

03:40:30.000 Just eating a bee.

03:40:32.000 Like, look at that. 1.00

03:40:33.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

03:40:34.000 You almost feel sorry for the bee. 1.00

03:40:36.000 It's time for lunch.

03:40:37.000 Aren't you on Team B right there?

03:40:39.000 Because the bee is like furry.

03:40:41.000 He's kind of like us.

03:40:43.000 I'm always on Team B. We need them.

03:40:44.000 I love honey. 1.00

03:40:45.000 But look at this evil motherfucker. 1.00

03:40:46.000 Just eat his head. 1.00

03:40:48.000 Just grab that bee from behind like he's Hoist Gracie and eat his fucking head. 1.00

03:40:54.000 They look like aliens. 1.00

03:40:55.000 They're so scary.

03:40:56.000 Look at that AB between your light thing, whatever.

03:41:00.000 Is that a clock?

03:41:00.000 Oh, yeah.

03:41:01.000 And then this guy.

03:41:02.000 Do you imagine if that thing was as big as an ostrich?

03:41:06.000 I mean, I guess I am now. 1.00

03:41:09.000 You know how fucked we'd be. 0.99

03:41:11.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

03:41:12.000 All that stuff is super scary.

03:41:14.000 Otherworldly.

03:41:14.000 You know, aliens.

03:41:15.000 It's just like these are all aliens just on a micro level.

03:41:18.000 It would be like A Quiet Place.

03:41:20.000 Like that movie?

03:41:21.000 A real-life version of that movie.

03:41:23.000 That's what that would be.

03:41:25.000 I'm not ready for it.

03:41:26.000 Praying mantises chasing us down.

03:41:28.000 What is that little jewel figuration on its forehead?

03:41:30.000 That's Thanos' jewel. 0.99

03:41:31.000 If he gets all five of them, he grows the size of a giraffe and kills everybody. 0.99

03:41:40.000 The three simple eyes. 1.00

03:41:41.000 It is.

03:41:41.000 His eyeballs up there.

03:41:43.000 What are those things to the left and the right?

03:41:44.000 Super eyes?

03:41:45.000 Compound eyes.

03:41:46.000 Oh my god, yes.

03:41:47.000 Compound eyes and simple eyes. 1.00

03:41:49.000 He's a murderous predator. 0.70

03:41:50.000 You ever see him kill hummingbirds? 0.88

03:41:52.000 No, I didn't know they did that.

03:41:54.000 That's so sad.

03:41:55.000 That's awful.

03:41:56.000 Yeah, go to Praying Mantis Kills Hummingbird.

03:41:58.000 No, I don't want to see that.

03:41:59.000 No, I love them.

03:42:00.000 No, it's wild.

03:42:01.000 They stay around bird feeders.

03:42:02.000 But we just need to know how ruthless these things are.

03:42:05.000 Because you would think there's no way.

03:42:06.000 They're not big enough.

03:42:07.000 Why do we need to know?

03:42:07.000 Watch this.

03:42:08.000 Watch this.

03:42:09.000 Look at it there.

03:42:10.000 This is so crazy.

03:42:11.000 So it's just sitting there.

03:42:13.000 Bam! 0.98

03:42:14.000 Do they have sticky feet? 1.00

03:42:16.000 No, they have talons. 1.00

03:42:18.000 They pierce the fucking body cavity of that thing with talons and then just drag it up towards it and slowly consume it. 0.99

03:42:27.000 And they do it all the time. 1.00

03:42:29.000 This is not like, oh, I'll try eating that. 1.00

03:42:32.000 He's just taking chunks out of the fucking hummingbird. 0.99

03:42:35.000 Why are you making me watch this? 1.00

03:42:37.000 Dude, they're fucking ruthless. 0.99

03:42:38.000 I don't want to see it. 1.00

03:42:39.000 He's going to eat a mouse. 1.00

03:42:41.000 Watch this shit. 1.00

03:42:42.000 They eat mice. 1.00

03:42:44.000 Oh, hello, little mouse.

03:42:45.000 I'm just a stick.

03:42:46.000 Don't mind me. 1.00

03:42:47.000 Bam, bitch! 1.00

03:42:48.000 Look at that. 1.00

03:42:50.000 That is a fucking super predator. 1.00

03:42:53.000 Imagine something that could take out something that's quite a bit heavier than that. 1.00

03:42:56.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

03:42:57.000 Because the mantis is way lighter than that fucking mouse. 1.00

03:43:00.000 Well, they're kind of reptilian in that way. 0.99

03:43:01.000 Like, a reptile can eat all these things.

03:43:03.000 No, they eat reptiles.

03:43:04.000 No, but I'm saying, like, they eat things that are, like, three times as big as they are.

03:43:08.000 Oh, yeah.

03:43:09.000 I get that.

03:43:10.000 I guess.

03:43:10.000 Yeah, reptiles do that.

03:43:12.000 I'm a big fan of the videos where the birds of prey are struggling with a snake and then they get away and they live.

03:43:18.000 Because I love birds.

03:43:20.000 I think insects are scarier than reptiles and lizards.

03:43:24.000 Insects are like the lowest form of evil.

03:43:27.000 They make them look like flowers.

03:43:29.000 Yeah, they can color themselves to like, they can look like anything.

03:43:33.000 No, that is absolutely horrifying.

03:43:35.000 The thing is pure white like the leaves it's sitting on.

03:43:38.000 It looks like a cockatoo.

03:43:38.000 And it's just destroying things.

03:43:41.000 And look at that.

03:43:41.000 It looks just like a flower.

03:43:43.000 And then you go over and land, and it's like, oh, come on over.

03:43:45.000 I'm ready.

03:43:46.000 I'm your friend.

03:43:49.000 And come on right here. 0.94

03:43:53.000 Here's a good spot for you to land.

03:43:55.000 If you land, I'm just a flower.

03:43:58.000 I'm definitely not a murderous, predatory, raptor-like insect.

03:44:03.000 Bam! 1.00

03:44:04.000 Got you, bitch! 1.00

03:44:05.000 He tried. 1.00

03:44:06.000 Didn't get him.

03:44:08.000 That was a mistake.

03:44:09.000 That's a lot of movement.

03:44:10.000 So this thing is like picking up on movement and just trying to find the right time to explode.

03:44:16.000 They're fast, too.

03:44:17.000 Have you ever seen them, like, move?

03:44:18.000 When does it get it?

03:44:20.000 It keeps trying.

03:44:21.000 They can run.

03:44:22.000 So this is interesting that it's not always successful.

03:44:24.000 Oh, I got it there.

03:44:25.000 So where'd he get it?

03:44:26.000 Oh, right there.

03:44:27.000 Oh, my God.

03:44:29.000 Jesus Christ.

03:44:30.000 Holding it like a baby that it's getting.

03:44:32.000 They're so ruthless. 0.81

03:44:34.000 It's such a ruthless insect.

03:44:37.000 And they're fascinating to see in the wild because you look at them and they really are different than all the other insects.

03:44:43.000 Because they're a predator of insects.

03:44:45.000 Like the predator of the ones that we're all scared of, like bees.

03:44:48.000 Why are we scared?

03:44:49.000 I'm not scared of bees.

03:44:50.000 Are you scared of bees?

03:44:50.000 Because they'll kill you if none of them bite you at once.

03:44:54.000 Don't you remember the killer bees? 0.94

03:44:55.000 Everybody's worried about Africanized killer bees. 1.00

03:44:57.000 I'm not worried about them.

03:44:58.000 I think they're okay.

03:44:59.000 I like flowers.

03:45:00.000 Those are gnarly looking things.

03:45:03.000 Whoa. 1.00

03:45:04.000 What the fuck? 1.00

03:45:04.000 What are those things? 1.00

03:45:05.000 I think they have costumes on.

03:45:06.000 It's a different kind of mantis?

03:45:07.000 That's a mantis with a costume.

03:45:09.000 They're cosplaying mantises.

03:45:12.000 That seems like some sort of a real bug.

03:45:15.000 I don't think it's a mantis, but it's something.

03:45:17.000 It's a mantis channel.

03:45:18.000 Oh, it's a kind of mantis, maybe?

03:45:20.000 Man, it's got mantis characteristics.

03:45:24.000 He's like, hey!

03:45:25.000 Jamie's an insect doctor.

03:45:27.000 Yeah, it's whatever it is.

03:45:29.000 Yeah, we're lucky they're little.

03:45:31.000 That's all I'm saying.

03:45:32.000 You're going to be okay.

03:45:34.000 I am.

03:45:34.000 Are you?

03:45:35.000 I think so.

03:45:36.000 I think so, too.

03:45:37.000 Yeah.

03:45:37.000 I think we're all going to be fine.

03:45:39.000 But I do think that we legitimately are going to become something different than we are now.

03:45:43.000 Just like we are different than Little House on the Prairie, we are different.

03:45:47.000 Sure.

03:45:47.000 We're a different thing.

03:45:48.000 We're a different thing.

03:45:49.000 And that thing that made us a different thing is just the beginning.

03:45:54.000 It's just the tip of the iceberg.

03:45:56.000 I guess we'll see.

03:45:57.000 We're going to see.

03:46:03.000 I think we're going to be okay.

03:46:04.000 But we're not.

03:46:06.000 It's the real devil.

03:46:07.000 That's the real devil?

03:46:08.000 Look at those.

03:46:09.000 Devil mantis.

03:46:10.000 Devil mantis.

03:46:11.000 It looks very suggestive.

03:46:12.000 Look at that.

03:46:12.000 Oh, that's its...

03:46:13.000 Okay, I thought that was its other side.

03:46:15.000 Oh, they're up in like a defensive pose.

03:46:17.000 They're trying to strike.

03:46:21.000 I haven't seen that.

03:46:22.000 Those are weird looking.

03:46:22.000 Just imagine if that's as big as a giraffe.

03:46:24.000 I'm good.

03:46:25.000 I've seen the movies.

03:46:28.000 We watched Predator recently.

03:46:32.000 Predator was passionate about their killing.

03:46:35.000 Did you see the new one?

03:46:35.000 Which one?

03:46:36.000 Prey?

03:46:37.000 I think so.

03:46:37.000 The Comanche girl?

03:46:39.000 No.

03:46:39.000 That's good.

03:46:40.000 Oh yeah?

03:46:41.000 You gotta settle into it.

03:46:43.000 Suspension of disbelief is very important.

03:46:46.000 Again, Predator.

03:46:47.000 But fun.

03:46:48.000 One of those moments where Schwarzenegger's character was about to smash his head with a rock, and then he's like, even though this thing killed all his friends, and he's like, you know what?

03:47:01.000 I think I'm going to let you live.

03:47:04.000 And then the thing tries to kill him again. 1.00

03:47:07.000 Like, why not just smash him with a rock? 1.00

03:47:10.000 Hmm. 0.99

03:47:11.000 Why give him that second chance?

03:47:12.000 What's the point?

03:47:14.000 Plotline.

03:47:16.000 Boo! 0.83

03:47:17.000 Didn't like it?

03:47:17.000 I'm exhausted at that point.

03:47:20.000 I want to see this thing dead. 0.98

03:47:22.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

03:47:23.000 Yeah!

03:47:24.000 You'll like the new one.

03:47:25.000 The new one's cool.

03:47:26.000 Okay.

03:47:27.000 It's about the Comanches.

03:47:28.000 Okay.

03:47:29.000 The Comanches fight the predator.

03:47:30.000 Oh, so it's a period piece?

03:47:32.000 Yeah.

03:47:33.000 Okay.

03:47:33.000 It's a girl Comanche.

03:47:34.000 Oh, I like that.

03:47:35.000 Cool.

03:47:35.000 It's good.

03:47:36.000 Yeah.

03:47:36.000 Bring it on.

03:47:37.000 I was like, come on.

03:47:38.000 But it's pretty good.

03:47:40.000 It's fun.

03:47:42.000 That's, you know, if aliens really are visiting us, that's the least of our concerns.

03:47:46.000 They're hunting us.

03:47:46.000 Oh, yeah.

03:47:47.000 I think we literally would be like stepping on worms.

03:47:49.000 If they were hunting us, we would probably be gone by now.

03:47:52.000 I think at this point they're just studying us and I think for sure there's telling us.

03:47:56.000 Figuring out what the hell is wrong with us.

03:47:57.000 I think for sure there is something from another world that observes us.

03:48:02.000 And I think it makes sense.

03:48:04.000 If there are a thing that are that advanced that's out there, why wouldn't they keep an eye on us? 0.98

03:48:10.000 And if there is a thing, they would understand how fragile our fucking little psyches are. 0.97

03:48:15.000 Why would they let themselves be known? 0.97

03:48:17.000 I think there's a slow trickle of information as our technology expands and we'd be able to track things better and better radar systems and they're getting more and more data.

03:48:27.000 And I think that's how it's supposed to be.

03:48:29.000 I think that's how we're supposed to figure.

03:48:31.000 It's not like they're going to land on the White House lawn.

03:48:32.000 Hello, we are here with wisdom.

03:48:34.000 I don't think that's going to happen.

03:48:35.000 But I think we're going to slowly become more and more aware of their existence because we're slowly going to have better and better systems that pick up things on Earth and other places.

03:48:45.000 I'm not sure if there's a difference between God or that idea.

03:48:51.000 Well, here's the thing.

03:48:53.000 If that idea, if human beings create a cyborg, and that cyborg's infinitely more intelligent than a human, and the cyborg invents a better cyborg, and it keeps going, Until someone gets to a point where they control black holes.

03:49:08.000 They can create new universes.

03:49:10.000 That is a god.

03:49:11.000 Maybe that's what the creative force of the universe is going through us.

03:49:14.000 Maybe the idea that you are a god. 0.99

03:49:16.000 It sounds so fucking crystals. 0.98

03:49:18.000 We just watched that 90s movie, Event Horizon, which is that. 0.99

03:49:21.000 Oh, well that was the horrible one.

03:49:22.000 It was very scary.

03:49:23.000 Yeah, that was a good scary sci-fi movie.

03:49:26.000 By the end, I was like, I needed to...

03:49:28.000 Go take a walk in the sunshine.

03:49:29.000 Sam Neill.

03:49:30.000 Yeah.

03:49:30.000 Lawrence Fishburne.

03:49:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:49:31.000 Solid movie.

03:49:32.000 Yeah.

03:49:32.000 That's a good movie.

03:49:34.000 That was like a wormhole movie. 1.00

03:49:36.000 They went through a wormhole and satanic shit happened. 1.00

03:49:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:49:39.000 It was like the underside of the...

03:49:41.000 Yeah.

03:49:41.000 It was hell.

03:49:42.000 It was hell.

03:49:42.000 But I think if human beings can do what we can do, being these weird primates and these weird talking animals that have figured out how to manipulate our environment and integrate with technology in a crazy way that no other animal's doing...

03:49:57.000 It just seems to make sense to me that if you could stay alive for a thousand years or a hundred thousand years, if human beings continue to evolve and stay alive, they will eventually assume the power of gods.

03:50:12.000 I think that's what they're trying to do.

03:50:14.000 We already have the ability to kill everyone on the planet. 1.00

03:50:17.000 If this stupid shit with Russia and Ukraine, if this goes down to the point where nuclear weapons are exchanged between countries, there's enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody. 1.00

03:50:28.000 I don't think it's gonna be them. 1.00

03:50:29.000 I think it's gonna be China.

03:50:31.000 Why would you think that?

03:50:33.000 A lot of reasons.

03:50:38.000 I have to pee so badly.

03:50:39.000 Okay.

03:50:39.000 Should we wrap this up?

03:50:40.000 We should wrap this up.

03:50:41.000 We've done so many hours.

03:50:42.000 We're obliterated.

03:50:43.000 It was great to see you, my friend.

03:50:45.000 Always.

03:50:45.000 It was so good to see you.

03:50:46.000 Tell people your social media, Instagram.

03:50:50.000 I have actually this Audio Tree session coming out November 3rd, which is tomorrow.

03:50:57.000 And that is a video recorded live performance that's streamable on Spotify and Apple Music and all that stuff.

03:51:05.000 But I'm Suzanto, S-O-O-Z-A-N-T-O, on Instagram, Facebook, and all that shit.

03:51:13.000 And if someone, what's the best way for someone to get your music? 0.88

03:51:18.000 I mean, you want to buy it from my website, but you can- Is that the best way?

03:51:21.000 I'm on all the things.

03:51:22.000 Is that the best way?

03:51:23.000 The website?

03:51:23.000 Sure.

03:51:23.000 What's the website?

03:51:24.000 If you want it, oh, SuzanneSanto.com.

03:51:26.000 And can they download digital from your website as well?

03:51:28.000 I think so.

03:51:29.000 Because you don't even know.

03:51:30.000 You can just stream it.

03:51:32.000 That's my audio tree.

03:51:33.000 There you go.

03:51:33.000 Yay!

03:51:34.000 Hey.

03:51:36.000 And, um...

03:51:39.000 So, is everything listed on your website where people can find all the stuff you've done?

03:51:42.000 It is.

03:51:43.000 Okay.

03:51:43.000 Well, thank you, my friend.

03:51:44.000 Thanks for having me.

03:51:45.000 Always good to see you.

03:51:45.000 My pleasure.

03:51:46.000 It was really fun.

03:51:47.000 It was really fun.

03:51:47.000 All right.

03:51:48.000 Bye, everybody.

03:51:48.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 04, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1894 - Suzanne Santo

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