The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1918 - John from The Boneyard Alaska

00:00:11.000 Welcome aboard, John.

00:00:13.000 Thank you, sir.

00:00:13.000 Very nice to meet you, man.

00:00:15.000 I've been admiring your Instagram page and all the social media stuff forever and it's crazy and perplexing and so I couldn't wait to get you in here and see.

00:00:23.000 How the hell did you acquire this magical spot that you have in Alaska?

00:00:28.000 I'd have to give you some context.

00:00:29.000 Okay.

00:00:31.000 And I grew up on an Indian mound in North Florida, to give you an idea. 0.85

00:00:37.000 An Indian mound? 0.93

00:00:38.000 Yeah, my parents moved this family down from Ohio and bought nine acres on the St. Johns River in 1962. It's where I grew up and it was on top of an Indian mound.

00:00:48.000 We didn't know it at the time.

00:00:49.000 So I was always out digging in the mound looking for pottery and was always captivated by looking for treasure.

00:00:56.000 And I did that as a kid and then Did a lot of surfing and stuff like that, as you might think, in Florida.

00:01:06.000 Got to be pretty good at swimming.

00:01:09.000 Ended up in high school setting the American record in a 50-yard freestyle.

00:01:15.000 And there was a fellow, an assistant coach at the University of Florida named Eddie Reese.

00:01:21.000 You might recognize his name.

00:01:22.000 He's the head coach at the University of Texas right here.

00:01:26.000 Three-time Olympic coach, widely regarded now as the greatest swim coach of all time.

00:01:31.000 I gave him a call before we came over here just to say hello.

00:01:35.000 We're in and out quick.

00:01:37.000 But he recruited me to Florida.

00:01:40.000 And I got recruited at a couple other colleges because I was a pretty quick swimmer.

00:01:44.000 University of Alabama, I met Bear Bryant.

00:01:47.000 The swim coach took me by the practice field and introduced me to him.

00:01:51.000 And he said, can you catch a football?

00:01:55.000 You should be a football player.

00:01:56.000 You're too big to be a swimmer.

00:02:00.000 And that was a couple hundred pounds ago, by the way, I should mention.

00:02:05.000 And he says, can you catch a football?

00:02:08.000 I said, yeah, I think so.

00:02:09.000 He said, hey, Joe, Joe, come over here, throw this guy a pass.

00:02:13.000 It was Joe Namath.

00:02:14.000 Wow!

00:02:15.000 He says, go long.

00:02:17.000 I start running down the field.

00:02:19.000 Threw me a ball and I said, you gotta catch this.

00:02:21.000 You gotta catch this.

00:02:22.000 And I caught it.

00:02:24.000 He says, throw it back.

00:02:25.000 And I did.

00:02:26.000 And then went to the swimming pool and met all the swimmers and all that kind of stuff.

00:02:31.000 Then I got recruited by Florida at Coach Eddie Reese and decided I want to go to Florida that seemed like a lot more fun.

00:02:39.000 And I went to Florida and The first year I was there, I was an All-American swimmer, and I got seventh place at West Point in the NCAAs.

00:02:52.000 The next year, my coach, the NCAAs were in Knoxville, Tennessee.

00:02:59.000 He says, coach says, you don't win this year.

00:03:03.000 I'm going to send you to Alaska.

00:03:06.000 Alaska?

00:03:07.000 What's that?

00:03:08.000 Never even thought about Alaska.

00:03:10.000 I got second place.

00:03:13.000 So, okay.

00:03:16.000 I'm going to Alaska.

00:03:18.000 I didn't win it.

00:03:20.000 Now, here I am.

00:03:22.000 Full scholarship.

00:03:25.000 Great family.

00:03:26.000 I had five sisters growing up.

00:03:29.000 And, uh, Doing real good. 1.00

00:03:33.000 I said, fuck it. 1.00

00:03:35.000 I only got second place. 1.00

00:03:36.000 I'm going to Alaska.

00:03:37.000 So I dropped out of college.

00:03:38.000 So just because he said that?

00:03:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:43.000 But obviously he was probably fucking around, right? 0.99

00:03:46.000 Yeah, he was fucking around, but the thing is, I was such a shitty student, if I didn't drop out, I was going to flunk out. 0.98

00:03:52.000 And I talked to the registrar there by the name of Wendy Smallwood, who took care of all the athletes coming in. 0.99

00:03:58.000 She said, man, if you don't get out of here, you're going to flunk out.

00:04:03.000 So I said, well, if I drop out, can I come back my junior year?

00:04:07.000 And she goes, oh yeah, you can do that.

00:04:09.000 But if you flunk out, no.

00:04:12.000 I said, okay, I think I will.

00:04:13.000 And then I saw a movie called Jeremiah Johnson.

00:04:17.000 I said, you know what?

00:04:19.000 I'm going to be a mountain man.

00:04:23.000 And then after that, I went down to the registrar's office, took the dropout sheet, wrote Gone Fishing on it as my excuse.

00:04:31.000 Hung it on my college door.

00:04:33.000 I had played a two-card gut poker game the night before.

00:04:36.000 I had, you know, 50 bucks.

00:04:39.000 I got enough.

00:04:41.000 Put that in the next morning, 6 o'clock in the morning, taped that to my door and out the door.

00:04:45.000 I went with a backpack, a shotgun, and that's about all I had.

00:04:50.000 Hitchhiked, got down to I-75 and started hitchhiking.

00:04:52.000 Somebody picked you up with a shotgun?

00:04:54.000 It was in a case.

00:04:55.000 Oh.

00:04:56.000 Got me in trouble in Seattle.

00:04:57.000 I got arrested for being the I-5 sniper.

00:05:00.000 Whoa.

00:05:00.000 And that was, you know...

00:05:02.000 Sniper with a shotgun?

00:05:03.000 Well, they had to look at the shotgun to find out I wasn't the sniper because the sniper used a rifle.

00:05:09.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 I just walked into that.

00:05:11.000 I made a phone call at a gas station nearby where the sniper was shooting the day before.

00:05:20.000 So all these cops showed up.

00:05:21.000 It's the only time I've been arrested by 60 police officers.

00:05:26.000 He goes, okay, killer, where's the gun?

00:05:28.000 I go, what are you talking about?

00:05:31.000 I forgot where I put the shotgun.

00:05:33.000 So I'm wandering around the gas station looking for it.

00:05:37.000 Found it tucked between the water cooler and a wall where I'd stop to take a drink of water when all the action started.

00:05:44.000 So they, yeah, that's a shotgun.

00:05:46.000 They took me back to the University of Seattle.

00:05:48.000 I told them I had been sleeping in the brush, you know, and there was a board there that said riders needed to Alaska must be mechanically unkind.

00:05:57.000 So I called that number. 0.89

00:05:59.000 I said, oh yeah, fuck yeah, I'm a mechanic. 0.99

00:06:02.000 Laughter No idea. 0.98

00:06:06.000 But I said, what do you got?

00:06:07.000 He goes, a Volkswagen van.

00:06:10.000 Luckily, that was the only vehicle I'd ever turned a wrench on.

00:06:14.000 Because earlier, like two years earlier, three years earlier, I went on a surfing safari from Florida to California in a Volkswagen van.

00:06:23.000 We had to drop the engine out in Tempe, Arizona.

00:06:25.000 It's only four bolts, but we had a spare engine because we figured that might happen.

00:06:32.000 So, anyways, I got a hold of the guy, rode up to Alaska with him, and got about six jobs.

00:06:40.000 Because one thing I couldn't do as a swimmer is you're always working out.

00:06:45.000 You know, swim six hours a day for six years.

00:06:49.000 And never made any money.

00:06:52.000 I got up there and I had a part-time job swim coach working as a film editor from the University of Alaska. 0.97

00:06:59.000 Just different bullshit jobs that I could make. 0.99

00:07:02.000 Money, man. 1.00

00:07:03.000 I'm making money.

00:07:03.000 I like this.

00:07:04.000 So I came back after that, Joe, and I went back to college. 0.70

00:07:11.000 And I mentioned, I think, that I was a shitty student.

00:07:14.000 I didn't get any better my junior year. 0.71

00:07:18.000 So junior year, I go, I'm done.

00:07:23.000 I went to the NCAAs in Long Beach.

00:07:25.000 Didn't do very well.

00:07:29.000 And I knew I was going to go.

00:07:31.000 They had the swim banquet at the end of the year and the head coach told me, by now Eddie Reese had moved on to another college.

00:07:39.000 I think he went to Auburn.

00:07:41.000 He looked at our team and he said, I'm going to go places.

00:07:45.000 Instead of being an assistant coach, I'm going to be a head coach.

00:07:49.000 And then he ended up at Texas, where he's been an Olympic coach three times.

00:07:53.000 Countless national championships.

00:07:56.000 Just a good guy.

00:07:58.000 I know you love sports.

00:08:01.000 He's the winningest coach in swimming history.

00:08:06.000 If you ever get a chance to meet that guy, he's awesome.

00:08:10.000 And so I went back and the coach said, at the banquet you've been elected captain for the senior year.

00:08:17.000 I said, I ain't doing it.

00:08:19.000 I'm going to Alaska.

00:08:20.000 I'm out of here, man.

00:08:22.000 So off I went.

00:08:24.000 Went back to Alaska and I've been there since...

00:08:26.000 What made you want to go back?

00:08:29.000 Just Alaska.

00:08:30.000 It's a big country, man.

00:08:32.000 Big country and just spacious.

00:08:40.000 Just, I wanted to be a gold miner too.

00:08:43.000 And I had done some gold panning up there and I'm going to go be a gold miner.

00:08:48.000 Well, I got there in 74 and I got a job up there as a teamster.

00:08:53.000 It was right before the pipeline.

00:08:56.000 Started hauling freight as a teamster.

00:09:00.000 And put my money into a little gold mining operation on a creek that some guy sold me.

00:09:05.000 He said, there's a lot of gold on this creek. 0.95

00:09:07.000 There wasn't shit on that creek. 0.97

00:09:09.000 But he got my money. 0.95

00:09:11.000 And so, went out there and did our best for the summer and ended up going broke mining.

00:09:18.000 And I said, well, I didn't do it right.

00:09:21.000 So, ended up getting a job, running air freight.

00:09:27.000 Working prior to the pipeline, then the pipeline started getting going.

00:09:32.000 And a buddy of mine who's a diver at the University of Florida, he came up to Alaska.

00:09:37.000 And he got on as an air freight driver for CF Air Freight, Consolidated Freightways.

00:09:44.000 I was a teamster for him.

00:09:46.000 And he was driving a truck For the terminal manager who owned the truck for the Air Freight Division.

00:09:55.000 And they said, that's a conflict of interest.

00:09:56.000 You need to sell the truck to somebody else.

00:09:58.000 Let them hire a company to do it.

00:10:01.000 So he said, you guys want to buy this truck, this business?

00:10:06.000 And how much?

00:10:07.000 10,000 bucks.

00:10:10.000 We had nothing.

00:10:12.000 We went to every bank in town.

00:10:14.000 Now, you guys are, what, 20-somethings?

00:10:17.000 24?

00:10:18.000 You got no collateral?

00:10:20.000 You want to buy a $10,000 truck?

00:10:22.000 You know, there's going to be a business associated with it.

00:10:26.000 The last bank we went to was the First National Bank, and the guy standing at the counter heard us talking to the manager.

00:10:35.000 And he goes, Bill was the name of the manager at the bank.

00:10:40.000 He goes, hey Bill, I'll back their play.

00:10:43.000 And we looked at the guy.

00:10:44.000 He looked familiar because we had delivered some windshields to him.

00:10:48.000 He was a windshield guy.

00:10:49.000 He had a junkyard and spare parts and stuff like that.

00:10:54.000 So he co-signed a note.

00:10:56.000 I knew him as well as I know you right now.

00:11:00.000 And pretty soon, the manager of the air freight company called us in.

00:11:04.000 He says, boys, your life's about to change.

00:11:08.000 And we said, what's that mean?

00:11:10.000 He goes, we just got the contract to handle all the air freight for the LA Esca pipeline.

00:11:17.000 We said, what's the LA Esca pipeline?

00:11:20.000 Well, the big pipeline they're going to be hauling.

00:11:22.000 They're building up here.

00:11:25.000 Okay.

00:11:26.000 What's that mean to us?

00:11:27.000 He says that means you're going to get rich.

00:11:29.000 Your first delivery is sitting over at Reed Tool.

00:11:32.000 What is it?

00:11:33.000 Drill bits.

00:11:34.000 How much?

00:11:37.000 10,000 pounds.

00:11:38.000 You've got to remember, we're getting paid by the pound to deliver air freight.

00:11:43.000 Generally speaking, a minimum piece of freight, less than 50 pounds, was like $5.40 a pound or a delivery.

00:11:54.000 We made 700 bucks or something in minutes for them to drive a forklift up, unload the pallet, and haul it off.

00:12:02.000 And I looked at my partner Ken and I said, man, we're going to do good.

00:12:06.000 And within a short amount of time, within a year and a half, we handled all the air freight north of the Alaska Range.

00:12:14.000 We're bringing in 747 Flying Tigers into Anchorage every night, three of them, solid freight.

00:12:21.000 Transship the freight from the plane to a flatbed truck.

00:12:24.000 Get 10 or 12 trucks every morning before 8 o'clock.

00:12:28.000 Take it over to the North Star terminals where it was unloaded.

00:12:32.000 And we weren't allowed to touch it because those guys were a different union.

00:12:37.000 And we'd just drink coffee.

00:12:39.000 And then they'd sign our bill of ladings.

00:12:42.000 We'd be out of there every morning by about, before the coffee even got cold, with about 30, 40 grand worth of revenue.

00:12:51.000 Give that to a couple young guys that had never had money.

00:12:56.000 In Alaska during a pipeline, that's a recipe for disaster.

00:13:02.000 And boy, did we...

00:13:03.000 What'd you do?

00:13:05.000 Boy, did we go through it.

00:13:08.000 You know, it was crazy.

00:13:10.000 We'd walk into a...

00:13:11.000 A buddy of mine had a restaurant named Jack O'Brien and called him Ivory Jacks up there in Fairbanks.

00:13:15.000 Good man.

00:13:17.000 And we'd go in and go, there'd be 200 people in that restaurant.

00:13:21.000 And I didn't know the guy very well, but we lived in the same area out in the woods nearby his restaurant.

00:13:27.000 We go there on occasion.

00:13:30.000 I say, hey, Jack, dinner's on me tonight for everybody in here.

00:13:34.000 And drinks.

00:13:37.000 You go, really?

00:13:38.000 I said, yeah, really.

00:13:40.000 At the end of the night, it was like 40 grand.

00:13:42.000 Boom.

00:13:44.000 I'm telling you.

00:13:47.000 All of a sudden I had a little money.

00:13:49.000 Didn't know any better.

00:13:51.000 And we spent it and we had fun and we built a pipeline.

00:13:55.000 A lot of stuff happened during that pipeline that people don't even realize.

00:13:58.000 That thing was only supposed to cost $800 million to build.

00:14:02.000 It cost $9 billion.

00:14:06.000 It's...

00:14:08.000 It seems like the companies that were building it, they call them the Seven Sisters, you know, all the big oil companies were grouped together.

00:14:18.000 And an operating company was called Aliasco Pipeline.

00:14:22.000 And it was like somebody flew over Alaska and said, let's drop $9 billion on these guys and see what they do with it.

00:14:29.000 It was totally unbelievable.

00:14:32.000 Okay, so you got all this money.

00:14:34.000 Yeah.

00:14:35.000 Got all this money.

00:14:37.000 And then at the end of the pipeline, I told my partner, you want to buy this company from me or you want me to buy it from you?

00:14:44.000 Well, flip the coin, come over the fair price.

00:14:47.000 Flipped the coin, he won, he bought me out.

00:14:49.000 And I said, okay, now I had a little money.

00:14:52.000 Went to work drilling for uranium for Exxon and Chevron up in the Seward Peninsula for a company called Resource Associates and was just a guy hauling the drill rig around.

00:15:05.000 And from there I started getting more interested in the mining end of things.

00:15:10.000 And keep in mind I'm still a young guy.

00:15:12.000 I'm not married yet.

00:15:15.000 We'd go to Costa Rica.

00:15:16.000 I bought a farm down there and decided I'd be a coffee farmer. 0.98

00:15:19.000 I wasn't worth a shit at that either. 0.94

00:15:22.000 I had some lemon trees growing and the first deal I made I sold 500 lemons for three bucks. 0.93

00:15:27.000 I said I don't think I'm gonna make money not farming.

00:15:31.000 So I go back to Alaska and I protected my little wealth I had.

00:15:35.000 I was able to protect by going to Costa Rica.

00:15:38.000 Costa Rica is named Costa Rica because of its beauty not because it's got a lot of treasure.

00:15:44.000 But when you have conquistadors going by, going, let's call this place Costa Rica.

00:15:48.000 These murderous guys going totally...

00:15:51.000 And the Incas and the Aztecs can attest to this.

00:15:54.000 They're there for his treasure.

00:15:56.000 And so I got back to Alaska.

00:15:59.000 Started getting serious.

00:16:00.000 My wife's name is Ramona.

00:16:02.000 We got married when I was 28. And we have five kids of our own.

00:16:06.000 The youngest out there, Elora.

00:16:08.000 And Drew was my CEO and her husband.

00:16:12.000 And her sister, just older than her, they own a company called Gold Daughters.

00:16:18.000 And my wife and I bought an old dredge after I'd decided to go mining for somebody else as an equipment operator.

00:16:27.000 So I went up and I drove a loader 712s and was able to get paid in gold and that would help get me through Costa Rica.

00:16:40.000 And the price of gold, when I started, was $250 an ounce.

00:16:43.000 When I ended, it was $800 an ounce.

00:16:45.000 And I said, oh, this is glorious.

00:16:48.000 So I was making money gold mining and learned a lot about gold mining.

00:16:53.000 I learned a lot about how to do it.

00:16:55.000 I learned a lot about how not to do it.

00:16:57.000 And so, after that, I decided, well, I've got to get into something else.

00:17:04.000 I was driving back to town and I had to stop.

00:17:08.000 I'd been drinking some beers and I had not had a beer all summer.

00:17:12.000 And through the trees I see these big metal Big metal pipe sticking out of the ground.

00:17:20.000 It was the fall time.

00:17:21.000 So I walked back there and it's a gold dredge.

00:17:23.000 Are you familiar with what a gold dredge looks like?

00:17:26.000 The machine?

00:17:27.000 Yeah.

00:17:28.000 It's a big, huge floating barge with a digging ladder and a tailing stacker and a trommel.

00:17:33.000 This one was about, it's a six cubic foot dredge.

00:17:37.000 I mean, each bucket would hold six cubic feet of dirt.

00:17:41.000 And while I was there, some other people drove in.

00:17:43.000 They walked in, and I'd never seen one.

00:17:46.000 I didn't even know it was there, just outside of town.

00:17:49.000 And these people were going on it, and I said, man, this would be a cool tourist attraction.

00:17:56.000 So I found out who owned it, and I got a hold of the guys that owned it, and I said, hey, you guys want to sell that dredge?

00:18:02.000 They said, sure, we'll sell it.

00:18:05.000 We were going to turn it into a tourist attraction, but we bought some leases in a place called Prudhoe Bay.

00:18:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:18:14.000 You guys don't want to be in tourism anymore.

00:18:17.000 They had some of the best leases in Prudhoe Bay where the oil is coming from.

00:18:21.000 So I bought it.

00:18:22.000 We bought it.

00:18:24.000 Moved a bunkhouse over there to it.

00:18:26.000 Turned it into a really nice tourist attraction.

00:18:32.000 And then I said, you know, Carnival Cruise Lines owned a company called Holland America West Tours.

00:18:40.000 They came up and said, hey, I was in my 40s.

00:18:44.000 They say, you're a pretty young guy.

00:18:46.000 We don't think you should ever have to work again. 0.99

00:18:48.000 I said, I've been thinking the same fucking thing. 0.98

00:18:51.000 So they bought it from us. 0.99

00:18:54.000 Okay, now I'm out of tourism.

00:18:57.000 I want to go mining.

00:18:58.000 And I got to know the owners of a company called Alaska Gold Company.

00:19:05.000 Prior to that was called Fairbanks Exploration Company.

00:19:08.000 And the parent company to that was called United States Smelting, Refining and Mining Company.

00:19:13.000 So I was the next guy in line.

00:19:15.000 It was a privately owned company all that time.

00:19:22.000 At the time I bought that company, I became the largest private landowner in Alaska with 10,000 acres of patented land with proven reserves close to 800,000 ounces.

00:19:33.000 Gold was low.

00:19:34.000 These guys were tired of it.

00:19:35.000 They'd run it from 1925 until I bought it.

00:19:40.000 It took out over 8 million ounces.

00:19:43.000 I'm going to say over 8 million, but records indicate a little bit different.

00:19:48.000 And in the process of that, I went down to Utah and got all their archive material, which included all the notes and the correspondence files, and exploration files, and stratigraphic files, and the researches.

00:20:02.000 All the paperwork they had in Boston, because Boston was where U.S.S.R.N.M. was headquartered.

00:20:08.000 So I had kind of an advantage in the gold mining business because now I have 10,000 acres of land, a lot of it already mined out by the dredges, but the dredges only took what they could make at $20 an ounce.

00:20:22.000 And when they stopped, it was $35 an ounce.

00:20:26.000 And I didn't check today, but I think it's close to $1,800 an ounce.

00:20:31.000 And they only mined what was good at that time.

00:20:34.000 It's like if you imagine a chicken.

00:20:38.000 You got the white meat, which is where all the pay was, and then you got your drumsticks and your wings on the margins. 0.96

00:20:45.000 And that's the kind of stuff that was left.

00:20:48.000 And it wasn't worth mining back when I bought the company, but it is now.

00:20:53.000 So now we have some really good properties and the exploration files that cover the entire state of Alaska.

00:21:01.000 And Drew out there, he's got hard rock claims and Valdez that we picked a file out of the exploration files and identified an area that...

00:21:10.000 No one even knew about, except our company engineers who died decades ago.

00:21:17.000 Our consultants are all dead.

00:21:19.000 All these reports that we read were written in the 20s and 30s and 40s.

00:21:26.000 But they're all gone.

00:21:28.000 And they weren't trying to promote mining.

00:21:30.000 They were trying to find gold.

00:21:32.000 So if they say there's gold here, there's gold there.

00:21:36.000 Okay.

00:21:37.000 And that's what we're doing now.

00:21:40.000 We're a mining company.

00:21:42.000 But now we've morphed into a land management company because we've got a half a dozen mines that are on different pieces of our ground, mining.

00:21:51.000 And we just manage the land.

00:21:54.000 Make sure that, you know, we got legitimate people mining.

00:21:58.000 Okay, so this is how you get to the land.

00:22:00.000 Now how do you get these bones?

00:22:02.000 How does this all start?

00:22:03.000 Getting to that.

00:22:04.000 Okay.

00:22:08.000 The way I discovered the bones was after I bought the property.

00:22:13.000 There was a stripping pile done by an adjacent miner that was dumping overburden on these flat tailings.

00:22:23.000 And I had a tour guide, a big guy.

00:22:27.000 I said, Josh, run over there and find me a mammoth tusk.

00:22:32.000 I'd never found a mammoth tusk, but I'd heard they were finding them over there.

00:22:35.000 And the ground they were dumping on was on my ground.

00:22:39.000 So he went and he says, what do they look like?

00:22:43.000 I said, well, they look like tree trunks, only they got a curve to them.

00:22:47.000 So he went, and he was gone half an hour.

00:22:48.000 He comes back with a seven-foot tusk over his shoulder. 1.00

00:22:52.000 I went, holy shit! 0.99

00:22:54.000 I said, go get me another one. 0.99

00:22:56.000 He came back an hour later with another one about three feet long, a broken one.

00:23:01.000 So I walked over there to look at this area where the mining was going to take place.

00:23:07.000 And they ended up mining it.

00:23:09.000 They had a right to mine it.

00:23:12.000 The company took out about 3,000 ounces out of this one little area. 0.99

00:23:17.000 And I was like, God damn, this stuff stinks. 0.97

00:23:19.000 So one day, we were walking around the area after they had mined it, moved on to another place, and we saw all the smell. 0.99

00:23:28.000 We walked around the side of this hill, and we got up in this little draw, and we were picking, my kids were with me too, we were picking bones off the ground, little shards, little leg bones and stuff.

00:23:40.000 So we filled up a garbage bag with those.

00:23:43.000 We went back again and again and again, and then I took an excavator back, built a little road around the side so we could get back to it with a machine, took a couple of digs out of the muck, found a mammoth tusk.

00:23:57.000 I said, oh boy, let's get something going.

00:24:00.000 So we got a big floating barge and put a pump on it, 471 Jimmy, with a giant.

00:24:06.000 They're called giants, but they're actually hydraulic monitors.

00:24:09.000 They look like big long pipes that you spray water out of.

00:24:13.000 And our pump was an 8-inch intake, 6-inch outtake, and we nozzled it down to 2 inches, 2 1⁄2 inches.

00:24:21.000 We could fire the water way out there and wash the overburden away.

00:24:24.000 The overburden there is about 60 feet high.

00:24:26.000 It's permafrost, silt.

00:24:29.000 Underneath that, you have your gravel layer.

00:24:32.000 Underneath the gravel, you have the gold and the bedrock.

00:24:36.000 And the Gravel layer and the muck interface is where most of the bones are.

00:24:42.000 So we started finding lots of bones.

00:24:44.000 I mean, a lot of bones.

00:24:46.000 And in the first three years, we found thousands and thousands of tusks and bison heads and bones. 0.69

00:24:54.000 And by the way, all those skulls you got out there in your building here?

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:00.000 You ain't got a step bison skull. 1.00

00:25:02.000 I'm going to fix that shit. 1.00

00:25:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:06.000 Okay?

00:25:07.000 Okay.

00:25:07.000 I'm gonna.

00:25:08.000 And then I don't even know how many we have.

00:25:13.000 We stopped counting.

00:25:14.000 And mammoth tusks, same thing.

00:25:16.000 And when did steppe bisons go extinct?

00:25:18.000 12,000 years ago.

00:25:20.000 Wow.

00:25:21.000 And so the permafrost is slowly melting.

00:25:27.000 And you're hosing it down and pulling it.

00:25:29.000 So the stench is literally like this ancient rotting biological material.

00:25:34.000 It stinks.

00:25:36.000 Wow.

00:25:37.000 It's organic.

00:25:38.000 But it's been frozen forever.

00:25:41.000 Thousands, 20,000 years, 30,000 years, 50,000 years.

00:25:44.000 So this is you with the hose spraying it onto the side of this wall.

00:25:49.000 So the way you do it is you just spray the side of these, like what would you call that hill?

00:25:55.000 It's a muck bench.

00:25:56.000 A muck bench. 0.80

00:25:57.000 Yes, sir.

00:25:57.000 So you spray that until you see something poking through?

00:26:00.000 Yes, sir.

00:26:01.000 Well, you spray it, and then you walk up there, and you turn the nozzle off the side, and you'll pick up the bones, the little pieces, leg bones, back bones.

00:26:09.000 Why is there so much in this one area?

00:26:12.000 Nobody knows.

00:26:13.000 Really?

00:26:13.000 Nobody.

00:26:14.000 Well, that's what's so crazy.

00:26:16.000 When I watched the documentary on your place, when you show this giant room where you have all these buckets, Of femurs and skulls and tusks and you have those paleontologists who are just like,

00:26:32.000 they can't even believe what they're seeing.

00:26:34.000 Yeah.

00:26:34.000 That's because a lot of those animals, they say, never lived up there during the ice age.

00:26:40.000 So when they see it and they still think that, I just say, well, they sure as fuck died here. 0.96

00:26:50.000 So it's changing their ideas of what existed in that area. 0.99

00:26:54.000 Yes, sir.

00:26:55.000 Wow.

00:26:56.000 And what's the oldest bones that you guys have found?

00:26:59.000 We don't know.

00:27:00.000 We've sampled maybe four or five of them.

00:27:03.000 It costs $400 a sample, do a carbon-14 test on them.

00:27:07.000 If I was to sample my entire collection today, it'd cost $100 million.

00:27:14.000 Because we have close to a quarter million fossils now.

00:27:18.000 The whole place is crazy.

00:27:19.000 I mean, it's so hard to believe that this one area has so many bones.

00:27:25.000 They have no idea of, like, did these animals fall into a muck pit?

00:27:31.000 Why are they there?

00:27:32.000 They don't know.

00:27:34.000 Because there's so many of them.

00:27:35.000 And we're talking bones.

00:27:37.000 We're not even talking fossils.

00:27:38.000 Right.

00:27:39.000 Right?

00:27:39.000 Because they froze.

00:27:41.000 Right.

00:27:41.000 Which is very, very unusual.

00:27:43.000 Right.

00:27:44.000 The documentary you saw, the Dick Mole paleontologist.

00:27:49.000 What an unfortunate name, by the way.

00:27:51.000 Dick Mole.

00:27:55.000 You know, I see what you're saying there.

00:27:56.000 I know you do.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, he's one of the good ones.

00:28:00.000 You know, he came up and spent a few days with the filmmaker that made that film, by the way.

00:28:06.000 The filmmaker is an artist pure, just through and through.

00:28:11.000 And I met him when he was working for National Geographic.

00:28:15.000 And then he came to me and he says, hey, I'd like to make a documentary about the Boneyard.

00:28:19.000 So I gave him unfettered access for four years.

00:28:22.000 I said, do what you gotta do.

00:28:23.000 Just stay out of our way.

00:28:25.000 Don't make me worry about finding you under a muck bench or a tree falling on you.

00:28:29.000 Just go do your thing.

00:28:31.000 So he did.

00:28:32.000 And the stuff that you're seeing there, and you saw in that video that you watched, the documentary, it's like nobody knows why any of that stuff is there.

00:28:46.000 Is that the most unusual sight that they've ever discovered in terms of just the sheer quantity of bones?

00:28:52.000 Yes.

00:28:53.000 Wow, and you just found it by accident.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:56.000 It just makes you think, how many more of those are out there?

00:28:59.000 Well, I know one more.

00:29:00.000 Really?

00:29:01.000 It's the next creek down.

00:29:04.000 Yep.

00:29:05.000 So this area where you're extracting these bones from, how big is the actual area where you're finding these?

00:29:10.000 Five acres.

00:29:11.000 That's it?

00:29:12.000 That's it.

00:29:13.000 Wow!

00:29:14.000 And I get blamed, well, I have a, you're the, I gotta be honest with you on a little thing here.

00:29:23.000 When you first mentioned the Boneyard Alaska and talked about our site, I don't know how you found it, but you found it.

00:29:33.000 Who did you have on here?

00:29:35.000 I think it was Forrest Gallant.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, it was Forrest Gallant.

00:29:37.000 And I picked up 5,000 followers on my Instagram account that day.

00:29:43.000 And I said to myself, the only guy I'm ever going to talk to about this site is Joe Rogan.

00:29:51.000 Ever. 0.99

00:29:53.000 And I used you as a crutch for three solid fucking years. 0.99

00:29:58.000 Because I didn't want to talk to anybody about this. 0.99

00:30:02.000 But everybody's so interested in it.

00:30:05.000 I said, I'll talk to Joe Rogan.

00:30:06.000 That's it.

00:30:07.000 I've had countless opportunities to talk to newscasters and network reality TV people that want to do blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:15.000 No.

00:30:16.000 I ain't going to do it.

00:30:17.000 I'll talk to Joe Rogan about it.

00:30:19.000 Well, thank you for that.

00:30:20.000 No.

00:30:20.000 Thank you for that.

00:30:22.000 My pleasure.

00:30:23.000 Well, it's just so unusual.

00:30:25.000 At first, I just thought, oh, you probably found a couple things on this place.

00:30:29.000 And then as I'm going over your Instagram page and I'm seeing all the stuff that you're pulling out of there, I'm like, this doesn't even seem real.

00:30:38.000 Like, how could this one area have so many bones and so many tusks?

00:30:44.000 Like, how many tusks do you have?

00:30:46.000 Mammoth tusks. 0.69

00:30:47.000 We stopped counting.

00:30:49.000 Not because we can't count that high.

00:30:53.000 It's just because, what's the point?

00:30:56.000 Thousands?

00:30:58.000 I have a friend that says I got 10,000 dead woolly mammoths on my ground.

00:31:02.000 Wow!

00:31:03.000 In five acres!

00:31:05.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 That's insane!

00:31:07.000 Have any of these paleontologists speculated on why this one area would have so many dead animals?

00:31:15.000 No.

00:31:17.000 If they have, they haven't told me.

00:31:20.000 And so you dated a few of them.

00:31:23.000 And what were the dates from those few?

00:31:25.000 They went from as recent as 3,000 years ago to 22,000 years ago.

00:31:32.000 Wow.

00:31:33.000 And the reason this site is so interesting to them is because it's all from one little area.

00:31:40.000 So the context is there.

00:31:42.000 And it spans what's called the extinction event.

00:31:48.000 Graham and Randall.

00:31:50.000 Yeah, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

00:31:52.000 Yeah.

00:31:53.000 And so I'm kind of going along with them because...

00:31:57.000 But that would make sense why they're all there.

00:31:59.000 Well, you've got to remember that the world, Pleistocene started, what, two and a half million years ago and stopped about 11,800 years ago.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:10.000 So that whole area was ice, except for an ice-free corridor between Siberia and Alaska in the lower 48. They went right through where we're at.

00:32:19.000 So there was migration happening, coming through there.

00:32:23.000 And these animals lived there for tens of thousands of years.

00:32:29.000 The grazers.

00:32:31.000 Well, wherever there's grazers, there's going to be carnivores.

00:32:35.000 You have the short-faced bear.

00:32:37.000 You got the cave lions.

00:32:39.000 We found all that stuff.

00:32:40.000 You found short-faced bears?

00:32:42.000 Yes, sir.

00:32:42.000 Really?

00:32:43.000 Yep.

00:32:43.000 You got a short-faced bear head?

00:32:45.000 Yes.

00:32:46.000 What does that look like?

00:32:48.000 It's huge.

00:32:49.000 How big is it?

00:32:51.000 Probably about that long.

00:32:53.000 They stood, when they stood up on their hind legs, they were 12 feet.

00:32:56.000 Yeah, we've shown photos of these replicas standing next to people.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 It's nuts.

00:33:03.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 And not only that, but you have a little mini factoid for you.

00:33:09.000 It takes a mammal 21 seconds to take a leak.

00:33:12.000 Did you know that?

00:33:14.000 No.

00:33:15.000 Check it out.

00:33:16.000 Okay. 1.00

00:33:16.000 By the way, I hope you have your bullshit detector on. 1.00

00:33:18.000 I know you got one. 1.00

00:33:19.000 And anytime you want to throw it on, you throw it on me.

00:33:22.000 I believe you.

00:33:23.000 No.

00:33:24.000 I'm just telling you.

00:33:25.000 Okay. 0.92

00:33:25.000 Some of this stuff sounds no fucking way. 0.92

00:33:28.000 There it goes. 0.95

00:33:29.000 20 seconds.

00:33:31.000 Empty their bladders in about 20 seconds.

00:33:34.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 The golden rule.

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:36.000 All mammals weigh more than 2.2 pounds.

00:33:39.000 Empty their full bladders in about 20 seconds.

00:33:42.000 Unless you've been drinking...

00:33:43.000 I've gone 100 seconds before.

00:33:45.000 I bet you have.

00:33:49.000 It's kind of a contest.

00:33:51.000 Yeah.

00:33:53.000 So anyways, you've got to remember also that a grizzly bear can cover about 100 yards in 8 seconds.

00:34:00.000 And they've got some pretty powerful noses on them.

00:34:03.000 So all these animals that stop to take a piss, they get whacked.

00:34:07.000 That's my theory.

00:34:08.000 I don't think that's a good theory.

00:34:10.000 Probably not.

00:34:11.000 I have another theory, though, that I discovered in Florida.

00:34:15.000 What?

00:34:17.000 Pelicans flying in groups of prime numbers. 0.53

00:34:19.000 They do?

00:34:21.000 Seems like that to me. 1.00

00:34:23.000 I pay attention to shit like that, Joe. 1.00

00:34:25.000 Okay. 1.00

00:34:26.000 If you say, look, there's a group of eight pelicans flying over there, I'll go, bullshit, there's one and then there's seven behind it. 0.94

00:34:33.000 Hmm. 0.96

00:34:36.000 There's 23 of them.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:34:38.000 Prime number.

00:34:40.000 Interesting.

00:34:41.000 But I threw that out on my Instagram one time to challenge people.

00:34:45.000 Go find a group of pelicans flying in an odd number.

00:34:52.000 And it was kind of hard for them.

00:34:56.000 So, you ain't got pelicans around here, but...

00:35:00.000 No.

00:35:00.000 I'm not a fan.

00:35:02.000 You ever see pelicans swallow seagulls?

00:35:04.000 No.

00:35:05.000 They just grab a seagull, swallow it whole. 1.00

00:35:07.000 They're ruthless motherfuckers. 1.00

00:35:09.000 Oh, they are. 1.00

00:35:09.000 Like, people think of pelicans, oh, they carry, it's like a stork. 1.00

00:35:13.000 They carry the baby.

00:35:14.000 Those are big birds.

00:35:16.000 No.

00:35:17.000 That thing is to swallow giant things.

00:35:20.000 That's why their mouth is so big.

00:35:21.000 I saw a pelican last year.

00:35:23.000 Drew was with me.

00:35:24.000 It has a fish stuck sideways in its gullet.

00:35:28.000 He couldn't hack it out.

00:35:29.000 He couldn't get it out.

00:35:30.000 And there went another pelican around there to help it put his beak in there and pull it out. 0.99

00:35:35.000 I mean, this thing was gagging on it. 0.99

00:35:37.000 I don't even know what happened to him.

00:35:39.000 They probably figured it out.

00:35:41.000 You'd think.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, I mean, they're evolutionarily designed to swallow enormous things. 0.99

00:35:47.000 Just think, they were goddamn dinosaurs about 60 million years ago. 0.98

00:35:51.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:55.000 It's a wild place.

00:35:57.000 So this mass extinction event theory does explain why there would be so many all in this one area.

00:36:05.000 If they all died very quickly...

00:36:08.000 I think?

00:36:26.000 Between 12,800 years ago, and then Graham thinks it's probably happened multiple times since then, maybe not as big, but similar impacts, where we pass through this comet cloud.

00:36:40.000 And the United States, which was covered in half a mile of ice, or as much as a mile high of ice, half the country, all that was wiped out almost instantaneously.

00:36:54.000 And that these things hit all over the world, probably reset civilization, and probably caused the mass extinction of...

00:37:01.000 In North America, it was like 65% of the megafauna died very quickly.

00:37:06.000 Geologically speaking, real quick.

00:37:10.000 Yeah.

00:37:12.000 To add a little interest to our site, you know, we do have excavators.

00:37:16.000 We do dig around.

00:37:17.000 We'd have mining gravel operations and stuff like that.

00:37:20.000 But in the boneyard, we use the excavators primarily to keep the drains open.

00:37:26.000 And we were digging one day and we found burnt bedrock.

00:37:31.000 And you've probably seen a picture of that.

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:34.000 But the bedrock is actually burned.

00:37:38.000 I mean, you can tell it's burned.

00:37:40.000 Rub it.

00:37:40.000 It's got charcoal.

00:37:41.000 I mean, it's like And then the gravels right above it are burned.

00:37:47.000 Now, to go along with that theory, we had sea levels that rose three to four hundred feet in a relatively short period of time.

00:37:58.000 And Beringia, which was that land bridge that came across, suddenly it was no longer a land bridge, it was underwater.

00:38:05.000 Worldwide sea levels rose three to four hundred feet around the globe.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, quickly.

00:38:11.000 Real quick.

00:38:12.000 And might have been quicker than the megafauna could adopt to.

00:38:17.000 Megafauna had to have.

00:38:21.000 They had to have the right ecosystem to live in and it changed too quick and they couldn't adopt.

00:38:27.000 That's my theory.

00:38:28.000 Adapt, yeah.

00:38:31.000 So that's probably part of it too, right?

00:38:34.000 Because some of the things probably survived.

00:38:36.000 They think a lot of things died on the impacts or during the floods and during...

00:38:41.000 If you found charcoal, I mean, they found this stuff that they call nuclear glass.

00:38:47.000 It's called the trinitite, I believe.

00:38:49.000 That's the way they...

00:38:50.000 The way they pronounce it.

00:39:10.000 And so if there's impacts like that, there's most likely fires.

00:39:14.000 And so that's probably what you're looking at.

00:39:17.000 It could be.

00:39:18.000 Or it could be some other sort of mass fire that hit that area.

00:39:22.000 But it's under 60 feet of silt, 10 to 15 feet of gravel.

00:39:29.000 And where this is located is the widest pay streak in the interior.

00:39:35.000 It's about a mile wide, this pay streak, where the gold is.

00:39:38.000 The mountains used to be, you know, a few thousand feet taller than they are right now, where the pay was coming out of that host rock.

00:39:48.000 And gold's got a specific gravity of 19, meaning it'll displace itself 19 times in water.

00:39:55.000 So that's how sluice boxes work.

00:39:58.000 Gold pans.

00:39:59.000 You mix the dirt with the water, the gold goes right to the bottom.

00:40:03.000 Same way with the pay streak.

00:40:06.000 The gold's moving down the creek.

00:40:07.000 It goes deeper and deeper and deeper.

00:40:09.000 The gravel goes over the top of it.

00:40:10.000 Pretty soon it hits bedrock.

00:40:11.000 It can't go any deeper.

00:40:13.000 And that's where it stays.

00:40:14.000 And the gravel just keeps moving down.

00:40:17.000 So there was a lot of water that went through this valley.

00:40:19.000 This creek there now is not 15 feet wide.

00:40:23.000 But the valley itself with the pay gravels is a mile wide.

00:40:27.000 Wow.

00:40:28.000 And there's gold throughout the whole thing.

00:40:30.000 So at one point in time, there could have been a river that's a mile wide that was running through there.

00:40:34.000 Could have been.

00:40:36.000 I don't know.

00:40:37.000 And these animals that they said that aren't supposed to be there, what animals are those?

00:40:43.000 Dire wolves being one of them.

00:40:44.000 Dire wolves?

00:40:45.000 You found dire wolves?

00:40:46.000 Dire wolves.

00:40:47.000 Do you have photos of this stuff?

00:40:49.000 Is it all up on your Instagram?

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:52.000 Well...

00:40:52.000 Jamie's looking.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, there might be some on my page.

00:40:58.000 So when you found direwolves, like in what condition?

00:41:01.000 Just the bones?

00:41:02.000 You found some tissue, too, which is kind of crazy.

00:41:05.000 Like a lot of these animals died, and you found little pieces of soft tissue and tendons and ligaments, which those paleontologists were thrilled by.

00:41:16.000 Like they couldn't believe it.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 They had bones with marrow still in them.

00:41:21.000 Wow.

00:41:22.000 The carnivores had pretty strong jaws.

00:41:27.000 They liked the marrow.

00:41:28.000 That might explain why so many bones are broken where they're broken.

00:41:32.000 They chewed into these animals. 0.99

00:41:36.000 One of the other extinct, not just dead, but extinct animals we found up there is...

00:41:43.000 We've never found elk before.

00:41:47.000 Well, we found some elk, but the experts say they didn't exist up there.

00:41:51.000 And I know you'd like to hunt elk and eat elk.

00:41:55.000 But elk exist in Alaska.

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.000 They exist down, I think they do.

00:42:01.000 They do.

00:42:02.000 So that's a dire wolf skull?

00:42:04.000 Yep.

00:42:05.000 Wow.

00:42:06.000 They have a Roosevelt elk in Alaska.

00:42:09.000 They have them on some of the islands on the coast.

00:42:14.000 A Fognac?

00:42:15.000 A Fognac has Roosevelt elk on it.

00:42:18.000 Because it's a very difficult hunt that people go on.

00:42:22.000 And the problem is there's enormous brown bears on there.

00:42:24.000 And my friend Steve Rinella told a story on the podcast of how they shot an elk up there.

00:42:29.000 And it's an incredibly difficult hike in and hike out.

00:42:33.000 You go into very thick brush and terrain at a very steep angle.

00:42:39.000 It's very hard to get through with anything.

00:42:41.000 So they take this elk, they hang it in a tree, and they come back the next day to cut it up and to take it apart.

00:42:52.000 But by the time they get back, a bear has already claimed it, and they don't know this yet.

00:42:56.000 Uh-oh.

00:42:56.000 And they get rushed by this bear.

00:43:00.000 It ran straight through their camp, but it found so many people didn't know exactly what to do, and it ran through.

00:43:06.000 One of their guys winds up on top of the bear's back somehow.

00:43:10.000 So it literally plows through the camp, and he's riding this bear's back for like 15, 20 yards, and then falls off the bear's back.

00:43:18.000 The bear runs into the woods, and the bear's huffing at him, and then they get out their rifles.

00:43:22.000 They were eating lunch.

00:43:23.000 They had no idea.

00:43:24.000 So there are elk up there.

00:43:26.000 Yeah, but they're not in the interior.

00:43:29.000 Which is crazy because they're on the island.

00:43:31.000 Like, how are they on a Fognac if they're not in the interior?

00:43:34.000 How'd they get on that island?

00:43:36.000 How'd the little mini mammoths get down to one of the islands on the southeast? 0.97

00:43:41.000 They say these miniature mammoths lived there until 3,000, 4,000 years ago.

00:43:45.000 That's interesting.

00:43:47.000 That's island dwarfism, right?

00:43:48.000 That happens with elephants, too.

00:43:50.000 When elephants live on an island, they get smaller.

00:43:52.000 Yeah.

00:43:53.000 Yeah, no, there's a mystery up here.

00:43:57.000 So is that one you found?

00:43:59.000 That's not one we found.

00:44:00.000 That's one they found in Siberia.

00:44:01.000 Oh.

00:44:03.000 But the same sort of situation.

00:44:04.000 Yeah, we found one.

00:44:06.000 It's like the frost is melting and that one actually has tissue all over it.

00:44:08.000 Yeah.

00:44:09.000 We have a specimen that was found called Effie for Fairbanks Exploration.

00:44:15.000 There's a mammoth trunk in its leg and its skull cap and stuff.

00:44:21.000 We have...

00:44:23.000 We have found a lot over the years, and they all, you know, there was a deal with AMNH, and you might have heard me rant about that a little bit.

00:44:33.000 What's AMNH? Alaska American Museum of Natural History.

00:44:38.000 Back in the 1920s, when the company started hydraulicking, they started unearthing all these fossils.

00:44:46.000 The company had eight bucket-line dredges running.

00:44:50.000 So they were moving millions of yards.

00:44:52.000 They moved 277 million yards of silt hydraulically, which was just 17 million more yards than they dug out of the Panama Canal.

00:45:07.000 And so all those bones, there was a guy named Childs Frick in New York.

00:45:13.000 His father was Henry Frick, the US steel magnet with Carnegie.

00:45:19.000 They've decided to get a hold of the USS R&M company in Boston.

00:45:24.000 They said, hey, how about we finance to get these bones out of Alaska and bring them to AMNH. So they worked a three-way deal with the University of Alaska Fairbanks, President Bunnell up there.

00:45:38.000 A guy named Otto Geist started going out with a bone wagon.

00:45:41.000 They collected bones from 1928 until 1958. They were only supposed to collect scientifically important bones.

00:45:51.000 For those, they were supposed to do research on them and write reports and submit them to my company.

00:45:57.000 Well, they didn't do that.

00:45:59.000 They collected the bones, sent them to New York City, Where they just languished in the basements of the AM&H. When I bought the company, I started going through my files and I found this deal.

00:46:14.000 And I got a hold of the University of Alaska and I said, these are our company bones.

00:46:20.000 Let's go find out what's going on with them.

00:46:22.000 They haven't done the reporting they're supposed to.

00:46:25.000 So myself, along with a guy named...

00:46:32.000 I got the reports right here.

00:46:35.000 Dick Osborne, who was the author of this report, I'm going to give you this report, by the way, because I've told everybody that I'm going to start a bone rush.

00:46:47.000 A bone rush?

00:46:48.000 Yes, sir.

00:46:49.000 What does that mean?

00:46:51.000 Well...

00:46:54.000 They took 500,000 or so bones from Fairbanks to New York City.

00:47:00.000 Left them in the crates, and there's a picture on there someplace when I went there to visit, in crates that have yet to be opened.

00:47:09.000 But in the 40s, they took about A whole boxcar load of these bones.

00:47:18.000 They ran out of storage and they dumped them in the East River.

00:47:22.000 What?

00:47:23.000 In the East River.

00:47:24.000 And I've told everybody that, again, with Joe Rogan, the only place I'm going to divulge that location...

00:47:31.000 So all that stuff in those pictures is all from your property?

00:47:34.000 Yes, sir.

00:47:36.000 What a crazy piece of land you stumbled upon.

00:47:39.000 It's unbelievable.

00:47:41.000 And so they dumped how much in the East River?

00:47:45.000 I'm told by Dick Osborne, a boxcar load, 50,000, or 50 tons.

00:47:50.000 Just threw it in the water?

00:47:51.000 Yes, sir.

00:47:52.000 Is it still there?

00:47:54.000 I don't know.

00:47:55.000 Could it be still there?

00:47:57.000 Could be.

00:47:57.000 Some of it, maybe?

00:47:59.000 Certainly the Tusks.

00:48:00.000 Do you know where it was?

00:48:01.000 Yes, sir.

00:48:03.000 So you're going to hire some divers?

00:48:05.000 What are you going to do?

00:48:08.000 You have a lot of people that follow you on your Instagram.

00:48:11.000 I got a lot of people that follow me, thanks to you.

00:48:15.000 And I said, you know, those bones, as far as I'm concerned, that they dumped in the East River, they're no longer mine.

00:48:22.000 They're finders keepers. 0.99

00:48:24.000 So if any of you guys want to go out and find some bones, I'll tell you exactly where the fuck they're at. 0.99

00:48:30.000 But I'll only tell Joe Rogan. 0.99

00:48:34.000 So I have to tell people?

00:48:36.000 Tell them right now.

00:48:37.000 Okay, tell them right now.

00:48:38.000 Yes, sir.

00:48:40.000 Do you know what street they pulled up to where they dumped them off?

00:48:43.000 Yes, sir.

00:48:44.000 Really?

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:46.000 Would you like to announce it to everybody?

00:48:48.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:48:48.000 You do it.

00:48:49.000 You want me to?

00:48:50.000 Yeah, please.

00:48:51.000 Okay.

00:48:52.000 It only makes sense.

00:48:55.000 Imagine if you see a bunch of divers pulling woolly mammoth tusks out of the East River.

00:49:02.000 The title of this draft report is Early Man in Eastern Beringia, Late Pleistocene and Early Holocene, Artifacts and Associated Fauna Recovered from Fairbanks Mining District, Alaska.

00:49:16.000 Authored by Richard Osborne, the Quaternary Center, University of Alaska Museum, Professor Emeritus, University of Wisconsin-Madison.

00:49:25.000 Robert E. Vander, Vertebrae Paleontology, American Museum of Natural History, and a fellow named Robert Sattler, Tana Chiefs, Fairbanks, Alaska.

00:49:34.000 They wrote the introduction, and the report, this associated draft, never released, goes through the history of the bone collecting in Alaska, at least off my ground.

00:49:50.000 So, the part that I want to reveal to people, because I said I would, we'll see if anybody's out there got a sense of adventure.

00:50:00.000 Because if I was, and I'm not going to tell people you're allowed to do this, but if I was listening to your podcast, and I happen to have a boat, and I happen to have a little scuba equipment, because I'm going to tell them, everybody, 0.99

00:50:16.000 right now, where the fuck they're at. 0.99

00:50:17.000 Where the fuck are they? 1.00

00:50:18.000 Okay. 1.00

00:50:19.000 Okay.

00:50:31.000 Okay.

00:50:31.000 You looking for the address?

00:50:33.000 No.

00:50:33.000 I'm just going to take the part off where I had this posted on my Instagram.

00:50:39.000 It was redacted where the location was.

00:50:42.000 Because I want to make sure everybody in the world has a chance to hear it at the same time.

00:50:46.000 Okay.

00:50:47.000 Because this is going to be a bone rush.

00:50:49.000 Okay.

00:50:50.000 Okay.

00:50:57.000 You got it?

00:50:58.000 So here we go.

00:50:59.000 Alright, here we go.

00:51:02.000 Mistakes made in the field as to acceptable condition of the bone shipped to New York City were dumped in the East River.

00:51:11.000 Okay.

00:51:11.000 The dump site at that time was off.

00:51:15.000 Here we go.

00:51:15.000 And there it's redacted.

00:51:17.000 Here, I'm going to read what's redacted.

00:51:18.000 Okay.

00:51:19.000 The dump site was off.

00:51:21.000 The East River Drive at about 65th Street.

00:51:26.000 The common New York City hospital dump site as well for difficult to dispose of materials.

00:51:34.000 Potentially a challenging archaeological dig for archaeologists in the distant future.

00:51:39.000 Now, I'm going to say this about that.

00:51:43.000 These bones that we find, they're paleontological in nature.

00:51:48.000 Archaeology is a study of human stuff.

00:51:54.000 What happened there?

00:51:55.000 Did they mix a bunch of the bones in with a bunch of the stuff from the hospital?

00:51:59.000 Is there stuff in the hospital?

00:52:01.000 Or is there even more stuff from AMNH that was dumped there that they didn't have room to store?

00:52:07.000 Like human stuff?

00:52:08.000 Could be human stuff.

00:52:11.000 I just can't imagine that they just didn't have any room for it, so they dumped valuable bones.

00:52:17.000 They were of no value to these guys.

00:52:20.000 That is so crazy.

00:52:21.000 But you got to remember, this was in 1928 to 1958. People, you know, miners didn't collect the bones.

00:52:30.000 That's what makes me such an oddball. 0.99

00:52:32.000 I have friends going, when I first started this 15 years ago, going, What the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:52:38.000 There's a lot of gold under those. 0.99

00:52:40.000 Go get the gold.

00:52:42.000 Right.

00:52:43.000 Ah, the bones, man.

00:52:44.000 We're going to get the bones.

00:52:45.000 Then we'll get the gold.

00:52:46.000 Don't worry about it. 0.99

00:52:47.000 So, 15 years later, I'm saying, we'll get the goddamn gold. 0.99

00:52:52.000 Don't worry about it. 0.98

00:52:53.000 I take a pretty long view of history, and I appreciate your view of history.

00:52:58.000 And I'll tell you something else about history.

00:53:01.000 History's just not about What happened in the past? 0.97

00:53:05.000 History's about what's about to fucking happen. 0.96

00:53:09.000 What we just talked about is about to happen. 0.95

00:53:13.000 Now people are gonna go and they're gonna go, he just told us where it is.

00:53:18.000 You can pull it up on Google Earth and find that site.

00:53:21.000 And how far into the water was it?

00:53:23.000 I don't know.

00:53:24.000 Did they dump it off of boats?

00:53:25.000 Did they dump it right off the shore?

00:53:28.000 I don't know.

00:53:29.000 How wide is the East River?

00:53:32.000 The dump site at the time was off the East River Drive at about 65th Street.

00:53:38.000 So that ain't that wide.

00:53:41.000 Is that right?

00:53:42.000 Is that what I'm looking at?

00:53:42.000 Is this 65th Street?

00:53:43.000 I think so.

00:53:45.000 It says right there 53rd Street Tunnel.

00:53:47.000 So that's the neighborhood.

00:53:49.000 So there's 65th Street.

00:53:51.000 And so somewhere right off of that...

00:53:55.000 I'd say right alongside.

00:53:56.000 Because right here is the train bridge. 0.98

00:53:59.000 Do you know how crazy it would be if there's fucking mammoth bones right there in the East River? 0.99

00:54:05.000 Tusks. 0.99

00:54:06.000 Right there in the East River.

00:54:08.000 Dude, let me tell you something about mammoth bones, mammoth tusks.

00:54:14.000 They're extremely valuable.

00:54:16.000 And a complete set of tusks, like the day, did you see that little video snippet I said about the day we found a full-grown woolly mammoth?

00:54:27.000 I mean all of it.

00:54:29.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, I did see that.

00:54:30.000 Okay.

00:54:30.000 Well, and thousands of bones within a week and another mammoth the next day.

00:54:39.000 Tusks don't float. 0.99

00:54:41.000 They don't roll along the bottom.

00:54:43.000 They sit where they're at.

00:54:45.000 They're curved.

00:54:46.000 They weigh a lot.

00:54:47.000 They're very dense.

00:54:48.000 Same with the leg bones.

00:54:50.000 They're dense, too.

00:54:51.000 I don't know what kind of current that river has, if even has a current.

00:54:55.000 All I know is this is where they say they dump them.

00:54:58.000 And I got to go with that.

00:55:00.000 This is where they say they dump them.

00:55:02.000 This is where they dump them.

00:55:04.000 So all it would take is just a well-heeled expedition of guys who know how to scuba.

00:55:13.000 Yeah, I wouldn't even be well-heeled.

00:55:16.000 You know, you can take an underwater camera and drop it over with your fishing pole.

00:55:20.000 Or, like, they have those underwater drones now, too, with cameras on them.

00:55:24.000 And they got the side-scanning sonar and stuff that you can use.

00:55:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:30.000 We've tried looking at using those kind of things at the boneyard, but they can't pick up tusks buried 10 feet down.

00:55:39.000 You know, they shoot pulses into the earth and it's supposed to refract back up.

00:55:45.000 You just got to find them where they're at.

00:55:47.000 And I was going to tell you how valuable these tusks are.

00:55:52.000 The set we found on the day, we had an offer for $485,000 for the pair the next day.

00:55:59.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:56:00.000 And guess what, Joe?

00:56:03.000 You and I both know what $485,000 looks like.

00:56:06.000 What would you rather look at?

00:56:09.000 Is that a 12-foot mammoth tusks?

00:56:12.000 Or a bunch of hondos sitting on a...

00:56:14.000 Depends on what phase of my life I'm at.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, well, I think at this point in your life you'd rather look at the tusks. 1.00

00:56:22.000 I'd look at the tusks.

00:56:23.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:56:24.000 12-foot tusks?

00:56:25.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 Jesus.

00:56:27.000 But I want to see the tusks.

00:56:29.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 Now, I don't have as many sunsets in front of me as I do behind me, but I have an idea I won't have to sell those in my lifetime.

00:56:40.000 I'll let Drew out there and Allura decide what happens to those things.

00:56:45.000 We just built our own, you know, they said, well, storage is a problem.

00:56:48.000 We just built this fall, before we came down here, framed up a 5,000 square foot building to house some of the collection.

00:56:57.000 We have so many bones, I've filled up four vans, delivery trucks, big, you know, semi-trailer filled.

00:57:06.000 Started off with, eh, we got a few...

00:57:09.000 Now we got a few hundred thousand.

00:57:11.000 And you're not even done digging. 1.00

00:57:13.000 Oh, fuck no. 1.00

00:57:14.000 That's what's so crazy. 1.00

00:57:15.000 In a five-acre parcel.

00:57:19.000 Wow.

00:57:21.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 That is so wild. 0.99

00:57:25.000 I mean, you must have spent many a night thinking, how the fuck are they all here? 0.99

00:57:30.000 Like, what is this? 0.95

00:57:32.000 I want to give you this for your copy.

00:57:35.000 All right, thank you.

00:57:35.000 You're welcome.

00:57:38.000 Tell people, go get it.

00:57:39.000 Go get them tusks.

00:57:41.000 You know how amazing it would be if someone came on?

00:57:44.000 Tell you what, if somebody goes there and they gets a tusk, I'll have you on the podcast.

00:57:48.000 Oh yeah.

00:57:50.000 Wow.

00:57:51.000 A buddy of mine just sold a broken tusk for $100,000.

00:57:56.000 That's wild.

00:57:58.000 I mean, they're not making any new ones.

00:58:00.000 It's just weird that you could even own them.

00:58:02.000 You know?

00:58:05.000 I know a guy who was on a ranch in Montana, and I think the story was someone was elk hunting on the ranch, and they saw something in the ground, and they contacted the ranch owner, and it turned out there was a T-Rex skeleton,

00:58:21.000 and someone purchased it for over a million dollars.

00:58:25.000 Yep.

00:58:27.000 There's a guy on Instagram, I want to say Bucky DeFingerlitz or something like that, that found...

00:58:36.000 He should get together with Dick Mole.

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:39.000 But he found the best preserved T-Rex I think ever found on his rancher.

00:58:45.000 He raises cattle out west.

00:58:48.000 That's the funny thing about the Instagram is we meet through Instagram people that we've never met personally.

00:58:55.000 There's a guy named Matt Slingsby up in Alaska.

00:58:58.000 You follow him.

00:59:01.000 Slingsby AK. You're goddamn right. 0.99

00:59:03.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:59:03.000 By the way, when I go to Florida in the wintertime, I always bring down some of his smoked salmon. 0.96

00:59:09.000 Oh, nice.

00:59:10.000 So I brought you a couple jars of it.

00:59:12.000 Oh, great.

00:59:13.000 He makes this stuff himself.

00:59:15.000 Oh, wow.

00:59:17.000 He makes his own smoked salmon.

00:59:19.000 Yes, sir.

00:59:20.000 And cans it.

00:59:21.000 That's a big thing up there, right?

00:59:22.000 People can salmon?

00:59:23.000 Oh, yeah.

00:59:24.000 Oh, wow.

00:59:24.000 That's awesome.

00:59:25.000 I'll eat this.

00:59:26.000 But yesterday, he posted a video that's no longer online.

00:59:32.000 Of a grizzly bear that charged into a herd of musk oxen that had just laid down calves.

00:59:40.000 It killed all of them.

00:59:43.000 One bear killed over 10 baby musk oxen.

00:59:47.000 Jesus.

00:59:48.000 And that video's not on today.

00:59:50.000 Did Instagram take the video down?

00:59:53.000 I don't know.

00:59:53.000 I haven't asked him, but I'm going to find out.

00:59:57.000 Well, there's a lot of those sites like Nature is Metal, you know, that website?

01:00:01.000 I think they get their videos taken down.

01:00:03.000 I think there's a lot of the faint-hearted amongst us that think that there's something wrong with watching videos of animals killing other animals, that somehow or another it's cruel.

01:00:15.000 Well, I know I get accused of climate change and global warmth and stuff.

01:00:20.000 You do?

01:00:20.000 Yeah.

01:00:21.000 Because of mining?

01:00:22.000 Because we're melting the permafrost.

01:00:24.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:00:25.000 It is, but they...

01:00:26.000 You're literally a part of one of the greatest paleontological discoveries ever.

01:00:31.000 I know.

01:00:32.000 Oh, you're above the global swarming!

01:00:35.000 Yeah, and I'm pretty...

01:00:37.000 It's warming!

01:00:39.000 It happens. 0.99

01:00:40.000 Yeah, well, but just people are just out of their fucking mind looking for things to complain about. 0.99

01:00:44.000 It's 50 degrees below zero right now in Alberta. 0.98

01:00:47.000 I just got a message from one of my buddies.

01:00:50.000 It was 50 below at our house two days ago up in Fairbanks.

01:00:53.000 It warmed up today to 14 below.

01:00:55.000 Nice.

01:00:56.000 You brought a little of that weather here.

01:00:57.000 Here it is.

01:00:58.000 Here we are.

01:00:58.000 Balmy 20. You know, one thing I noticed about this town is you got some blue sky.

01:01:04.000 Oh yeah, it's nice.

01:01:05.000 This sky here is really blue.

01:01:06.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

01:01:07.000 It's a great town.

01:01:08.000 It seems like good, clean air.

01:01:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:12.000 It's great here.

01:01:14.000 It's great.

01:01:15.000 I love it.

01:01:16.000 And Eddie Reese lives here too, so next time I come down, I'm going to go visit him.

01:01:21.000 Nice.

01:01:21.000 Make sure I have some time.

01:01:23.000 So people give you a hard time, but that's just people.

01:01:26.000 It doesn't matter what.

01:01:28.000 If you're donating money, you're not donating enough.

01:01:30.000 If you're helping people, you're not helping enough.

01:01:32.000 Or you're helping the wrong people.

01:01:34.000 Or you should be doing this instead.

01:01:36.000 Or you shouldn't have the money to donate in the first place.

01:01:39.000 There's just too much noise.

01:01:42.000 But what you've discovered, what people should be concentrating on is...

01:01:46.000 The immense magnitude of that discovery and how crazy it is that they're literally discovering that there's animals that are in there that they didn't think existed there.

01:01:55.000 Clearly they did.

01:01:57.000 You've got an enormous number of them.

01:02:00.000 You've got burnt ground below them. 0.98

01:02:02.000 Like, what the fuck is going on? 0.94

01:02:04.000 Like, what is all that? 0.99

01:02:06.000 Well, the step bison, they're extinct.

01:02:08.000 Short-faced bears, they're extinct.

01:02:11.000 The American lion, extinct.

01:02:13.000 You got American lions up there?

01:02:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:15.000 That one skull I got.

01:02:16.000 It's like you have everything up there.

01:02:18.000 That's crazy.

01:02:20.000 How much variety, like how many different animals have you found bones of?

01:02:25.000 That's an American lion.

01:02:26.000 Yeah.

01:02:27.000 Wow, look at those teeth. 0.95

01:02:28.000 That is so cool.

01:02:29.000 Look how cool that tooth is.

01:02:31.000 My son and I, Kinsey, were out there at the boneyard one day and we were hydraulicing and then shut the pump down and went up for the final walkthrough on the muck.

01:02:41.000 That's insane.

01:02:41.000 And you know, as the guys want to do at the end of the day, just piss against the muck bench, you know, just take a leak.

01:02:47.000 Right.

01:02:47.000 So he's over there, I'm over here taking a leak.

01:02:50.000 And we both look at about the same time and that thing is staring at us out of the muck.

01:02:56.000 Wow!

01:02:57.000 Just the top part, not the lower jaws. 0.56

01:03:00.000 We had found the lower jaws to that thing two years earlier in two different pieces.

01:03:06.000 In the same area?

01:03:08.000 Yeah, downstream.

01:03:10.000 So we don't sell anything from the boneyard that might go to another animal that we found or the same animal.

01:03:18.000 That's why we have so many.

01:03:20.000 We pick them all up.

01:03:21.000 We pick every little bone up.

01:03:24.000 Save them.

01:03:24.000 They're all boxed.

01:03:26.000 How many people are involved in the...

01:03:29.000 Is it categorized?

01:03:32.000 Do you have it catalogued?

01:03:33.000 No.

01:03:34.000 What?

01:03:35.000 We just pick them up.

01:03:37.000 That's what it looks like.

01:03:38.000 I was scared to ask because it looks like you just have so many stacked.

01:03:42.000 What's in that box right there where it looks like skin below that, Jamie?

01:03:47.000 There's a short one right there.

01:03:48.000 What is that?

01:03:49.000 I think that's a caribou.

01:03:51.000 Wow.

01:03:52.000 A mummified caribou.

01:03:54.000 We find horses.

01:03:55.000 We found a different species of horse.

01:03:57.000 Horse?

01:03:57.000 What?

01:03:58.000 Yeah.

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:03:59.000 The Harrington horse.

01:04:01.000 We found that. 1.00

01:04:03.000 Paleontologists come uncorked when they see shit like that. 0.99

01:04:05.000 Because it's not supposed to be there either? 0.99

01:04:08.000 They've never found them.

01:04:10.000 They found them in the Yukon, but they didn't...

01:04:14.000 What do they base whether or not an animal lived there on?

01:04:18.000 Is it whether or not they've found bones of them?

01:04:21.000 Because if you're dealing with something that's 20,000 years ago, how do they really know what was where unless they find a dead one?

01:04:28.000 Well, how do you know what they're telling you is the truth?

01:04:31.000 How do they know what the truth is?

01:04:32.000 They don't, but they're in a business.

01:04:34.000 This happened 20,000 years ago, and I've got a doctorate in this field, so that's what happened.

01:04:40.000 Right, but they're only basing it on evidence that's been discovered.

01:04:42.000 And when you have a place like yours where you're discovering an insane amount of new evidence, you could literally rewrite paleontological history.

01:04:51.000 I can't.

01:04:52.000 No, they can.

01:04:53.000 But your place can't.

01:04:54.000 Well, it looks like now I'm going to have to accommodate somebody.

01:04:57.000 It's only going to happen if Joe Rogan's involved.

01:05:01.000 So how many people do you have that are paleontologists that are involved in this?

01:05:07.000 Zero.

01:05:08.000 Oh my god.

01:05:10.000 That's insane.

01:05:12.000 Here's the qualifications.

01:05:14.000 Have you been to Fairbanks before?

01:05:16.000 No, I have not.

01:05:17.000 I'd like to invite you to Fairbanks.

01:05:18.000 I'd like to go.

01:05:19.000 It's going to summer, though.

01:05:21.000 I want you to come up in the fall so you can go moose hunting.

01:05:23.000 Okay.

01:05:23.000 Have you ever tip a moose over?

01:05:25.000 Yes.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, I shot a moose once in BC. Delicious.

01:05:28.000 Do you like moose meat?

01:05:29.000 I love it.

01:05:29.000 I love moose meat.

01:05:30.000 We'll put you on your own creek.

01:05:31.000 We'll give you a four-wheeler or a truck or whatever you need.

01:05:34.000 Come up, bag a moose, take you to the boneyard.

01:05:39.000 Within minutes, you will be a boner. 1.00

01:05:44.000 All you gotta do is find one.

01:05:45.000 I'm sure.

01:05:46.000 But the people involved in this, just my family and some family friends.

01:05:53.000 Wow, that's incredible.

01:05:55.000 And Dick Moll.

01:05:59.000 Do we have to be called boners?

01:06:01.000 Yeah, you have to, Jamie.

01:06:02.000 Don't be scared of a name.

01:06:04.000 Well, my kids are all master boners.

01:06:08.000 In order to be a master boner, you've got to find 10,000 of them. 0.93

01:06:12.000 Oh my god.

01:06:13.000 You're not going to be there long enough to find 10,000.

01:06:15.000 Do you got a lot of moose up there?

01:06:16.000 A lot of moose.

01:06:17.000 Want to hear my moose call?

01:06:19.000 Yeah.

01:06:24.000 Not bad, right?

01:06:25.000 That's pretty good.

01:06:26.000 That's not bad.

01:06:27.000 Want to hear mine?

01:06:28.000 Yeah.

01:06:36.000 Moose!

01:06:36.000 When we bag a moose, we want to make sure it's near some place we can get a front end loader to.

01:06:43.000 Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

01:06:44.000 You don't want to try to shoot.

01:06:47.000 I shot one off the Yukon in the Hodzana River once and it fell into the river.

01:06:51.000 Oh my goodness.

01:06:53.000 Right as the sun set.

01:06:54.000 How'd you get him out?

01:06:56.000 I tried to chop them up in half with an axe underwater.

01:06:59.000 It didn't work.

01:07:00.000 Spent the night on a gravel bar.

01:07:02.000 The guys I had upstream, they got caught in the dark and they didn't come floating down until the next day.

01:07:07.000 So I started a fire by the bank and they finally came down and we cut it out.

01:07:14.000 I'd prefer a road hunt.

01:07:15.000 A buddy of mine had the same thing happen last year.

01:07:18.000 He shot a moose and it ran into the river and died in the river. 1.00

01:07:22.000 And they're like, fuck. 1.00

01:07:24.000 A 2,000-pound animal. 1.00

01:07:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:26.000 No, that's horrible when that happens.

01:07:28.000 But they're so unusual.

01:07:32.000 Like when you see them, they don't look real.

01:07:34.000 Like they're so big.

01:07:36.000 And you see these... 1.00

01:07:38.000 Goddamn barn doors coming off the side of their heads. 0.99

01:07:41.000 Like, that is a real animal? 1.00

01:07:43.000 And you shoot one of those, you're eating good meat for a year.

01:07:48.000 Every day you could have moose meat for a year.

01:07:50.000 It's incredible.

01:07:51.000 I let guys, I have different areas, and I have one group of guys that likes to go to the certain areas.

01:07:58.000 So my rule is, you can hunt there, but I get a quarter of whatever.

01:08:02.000 Oh, nice.

01:08:02.000 That's a good deal.

01:08:03.000 So every time I, if they get a moose, I get a quarter of it.

01:08:06.000 And then another group, same thing.

01:08:08.000 So last year I got five quarters of moose.

01:08:10.000 I never really went hunting.

01:08:12.000 But it helps me.

01:08:14.000 I give the moose away to, you know, go down to the Pioneers or some food bank or someplace.

01:08:19.000 Oh, that's nice.

01:08:20.000 Pass a little bit of it around.

01:08:21.000 The guys that can't hunt anymore that are no longer able to go hunting, I'll take some and give them some moose meat.

01:08:26.000 That's nice.

01:08:27.000 And we always have a freezer full of it just in case.

01:08:31.000 It's so good for you.

01:08:32.000 Oh, it's great.

01:08:32.000 It's the best meat, like wild game meat in particular.

01:08:35.000 And moose is unusual.

01:08:37.000 It's a very different taste than elk, very different than deer.

01:08:39.000 It's like similar but not, you know.

01:08:42.000 I've never had elk.

01:08:43.000 It's delicious.

01:08:44.000 I got some for you.

01:08:45.000 You got a little freezer bag?

01:08:47.000 No, I don't.

01:08:47.000 I think I have some.

01:08:48.000 Hold on.

01:08:49.000 I think we brought some freezer bags.

01:08:50.000 We did, right?

01:08:51.000 Yeah, we got freezer bags.

01:08:53.000 When are you flying back?

01:08:54.000 Tonight.

01:08:55.000 Okay, I'll hook you up.

01:08:56.000 Oh, that'd be great.

01:08:57.000 Yeah.

01:08:58.000 Because we're going to...

01:08:59.000 I got summer sausage for the plane.

01:09:02.000 You can eat it on the plane flight.

01:09:03.000 I got some roasts for you.

01:09:05.000 No, no, no.

01:09:05.000 Some steaks.

01:09:06.000 Don't do all that.

01:09:07.000 Come on, man.

01:09:08.000 No.

01:09:09.000 Take it with you.

01:09:11.000 It's the best meat.

01:09:12.000 I'll set you up with some moose meat though.

01:09:15.000 I'll send you that.

01:09:16.000 Just set me up near a moose.

01:09:18.000 We'll get our own moose.

01:09:19.000 Oh, I'll put you on a moose. 1.00

01:09:19.000 Are there a lot up there? 1.00

01:09:20.000 Oh yeah.

01:09:22.000 The problem with moose is moose are usually around grizzlies.

01:09:26.000 That is a problem. 0.99

01:09:30.000 That's a fucking big problem. 0.99

01:09:32.000 I shot a black bear once that was tearing a door off a cabin where my sister was the camp cook. 1.00

01:09:37.000 Oh, boy.

01:09:39.000 The night before, I'd seen bear tracks all over the place, and I said, I'm not going to eat much for dinner.

01:09:45.000 I'm just going to be a light sleeper tonight.

01:09:47.000 About 3 o'clock in the morning, I hear this, boom, John!

01:09:51.000 Boom! 0.99

01:09:51.000 Another rifle shot. 0.99

01:09:53.000 I step up.

01:09:54.000 My 6 was right there. 0.73

01:09:55.000 I blasted that black bear right on the doorstep and wounded it pretty good.

01:10:00.000 Jesus Christ. 0.97

01:10:01.000 They die hard, man.

01:10:02.000 Yeah, they're a big, strong animal, a big, spooky animal.

01:10:06.000 And they're not, I mean, black bears, they're not even nearly as big as grizzlies, but they're still terrible.

01:10:14.000 They sound like a dying man.

01:10:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:16.000 If you don't kill them for a shot, that's it. 1.00

01:10:18.000 They're going, aww. 1.00

01:10:20.000 A buddy of mine, Mike Hawkridge, he's got a place called BC Outfitters.

01:10:25.000 I think it's Big Country Outfitters.

01:10:28.000 I hunted with him up in British Columbia.

01:10:33.000 One of them was coming into a cabin.

01:10:36.000 A grizzly was coming into a cabin.

01:10:38.000 He literally shot it at the doorstep of the cabin.

01:10:43.000 It's like right there coming in.

01:10:46.000 And they're terrifying up there.

01:10:48.000 And they put a ban on hunting them too because all the people from Vancouver are like, Don't kill the grizzly.

01:10:54.000 The grizzly's your friend. 0.98

01:10:55.000 It's like the biggest, scariest fucking thing in the woods. 0.98

01:10:58.000 And it also, wildlife biologists say they have to be managed. 0.97

01:11:02.000 If you don't manage their population, then they decimate the population of deer and elk and moose and And everything that lives up there.

01:11:09.000 And so there's all these people that understand the balance of nature and these well-trained, well-educated wildlife biologists who make recommendations and then people vote on it, which is crazy because you're having people vote who are never even in the woods.

01:11:24.000 You got people voting in Vancouver and they're like, don't kill the bear.

01:11:28.000 The bear is your friend.

01:11:29.000 We don't want trophy hunters. 0.98

01:11:32.000 But what they don't understand is that you're making life extremely difficult for all the people that live up there.

01:11:38.000 If you don't manage those populations, you lower the amount of game that are there, the game animals, and also you make it very dangerous for those people because now those bears are no longer scared of people because they used to associate people with gunshots and fear and people will hunt them.

01:11:53.000 Now they think of people as food.

01:11:57.000 When the wolves come into town, if you have a dog out on a chain, you go out the next day and all you got is a collar and a head.

01:12:06.000 Wolves are unbelievable hunters.

01:12:08.000 Unbelievable.

01:12:09.000 They really are.

01:12:10.000 I got a couple of creeks with different packs.

01:12:13.000 If they get a moose, they'll camp there for a week and a half eating it.

01:12:17.000 That must be so wild to see.

01:12:20.000 I was out at one of my creeks.

01:12:21.000 There was a calf moose stuck down in a tailing pile.

01:12:25.000 It couldn't make up the side of the tailings because they're so loose.

01:12:29.000 So I called fish a game.

01:12:30.000 I said, there's a calf out here if you want to come rescue it.

01:12:33.000 And it was towards the end of the day, and they said, nah.

01:12:36.000 I said, well, what about tomorrow?

01:12:38.000 He said, it won't be there tomorrow.

01:12:40.000 And I went out there the next day, and it was just bones.

01:12:43.000 Wolves came in, hit it, ate it.

01:12:45.000 How often do you see wolves?

01:12:46.000 All the time.

01:12:48.000 That's awesome.

01:12:49.000 I got wolves within...

01:12:51.000 I see wolves coming to the boneyard.

01:12:54.000 Really? 1.00

01:12:54.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:12:55.000 They smell that and they go, time to eat. 1.00

01:12:58.000 Ugh! 0.97

01:12:59.000 They like that rotten meat, man. 0.83

01:13:01.000 God.

01:13:01.000 We got lynx there that hang out.

01:13:03.000 Drew was walking up the draw one day and they're...

01:13:07.000 He looked up and there was a big lynx about 15 feet away from him just looking at him. 0.99

01:13:12.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing, man? 1.00

01:13:14.000 What are you coming up here in my neighborhood for? 1.00

01:13:17.000 And he kind of backed away and said, I'm going to get out of here.

01:13:20.000 I only saw a lynx once.

01:13:21.000 I saw a lynx in Alberta.

01:13:25.000 Wild looking cat.

01:13:27.000 Cool looking animal.

01:13:29.000 Yep.

01:13:30.000 So those wolves, are they ever a threat to people up there?

01:13:35.000 When there's a pack of them, they're a threat to anything. 0.99

01:13:39.000 But they generally don't fuck with people? 0.99

01:13:41.000 It's hard to see wolves. 0.99

01:13:42.000 It actually is hard to find them.

01:13:44.000 But sometimes, like where we're at, you can hear them howling.

01:13:49.000 They're actually out there making noise, looking for each other.

01:13:53.000 And, you know, we're in their neck of the woods.

01:13:55.000 They're not in my neck of the woods.

01:13:57.000 You know, suddenly there's a road there. 0.99

01:13:59.000 And they're going, what the fuck? 0.99

01:14:00.000 Who put this in here? 1.00

01:14:01.000 This is good walking.

01:14:03.000 I got a picture in my phone of a pack of wolves that went by an underground miner that's one of my creeks.

01:14:11.000 They've got signs up that say no trespassing and all that.

01:14:16.000 Wolves are just walking by like, we don't care.

01:14:18.000 Yeah, come on. 0.77

01:14:20.000 I asked the same guy, I said, you never see bears out here.

01:14:24.000 This guy did several tours in Vietnam as a sniper because he liked his job.

01:14:32.000 I said, do you see a lot of bears out here?

01:14:36.000 He goes, I hate bears.

01:14:39.000 I said, have you ever shot one out here? 0.90

01:14:40.000 He goes, I've shot 57 of them. 1.00

01:14:43.000 I'm like, fuck. 1.00

01:14:45.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:14:47.000 Jesus Christ, you probably shouldn't say that on the podcast.

01:14:49.000 That guy might be in trouble.

01:14:51.000 No.

01:14:52.000 No?

01:14:53.000 No.

01:14:55.000 Life and property, man.

01:14:57.000 Well, and they will take life and they will take property. 0.81

01:15:01.000 Yep.

01:15:01.000 He will take their life.

01:15:04.000 He doesn't like them. 0.99

01:15:06.000 I've only shot one bear.

01:15:07.000 I tried to shoot a grizzly once and my rifle jammed. 0.82

01:15:14.000 Have you ever eaten bear?

01:15:15.000 No.

01:15:16.000 Tastes good, believe it or not.

01:15:18.000 Especially black bear.

01:15:19.000 Black bear's good.

01:15:20.000 My friend Steve Rinella said that some of the best meat he's ever eaten is black bear that had been eating blueberries.

01:15:26.000 Oh, I bet.

01:15:27.000 And he shot them up in Alaska, too.

01:15:29.000 That's where he got it.

01:15:30.000 I would have probably eaten black bear that day I shot the black bear at the cabin if we had more time.

01:15:37.000 But we were running up to the cut to go to work, and I cut a couple of his claws off, and we buried it.

01:15:43.000 Just didn't have time.

01:15:45.000 But he was, again, life and property, tearing the door off to get inside where the food was.

01:15:51.000 Yeah, well, they're predatory, too. 0.99

01:15:52.000 They'll kill people. 0.99

01:15:53.000 Black bears will kill people. 0.98

01:15:54.000 And a kid got killed at Rutgers University.

01:15:56.000 He was in the woods outside of Rutgers University a few years back in New Jersey.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, New Jersey has the highest amount of black bears per capita in the United States.

01:16:08.000 How crazy is that?

01:16:09.000 That's crazy.

01:16:10.000 Yeah, and they banned hunting.

01:16:12.000 We have to stop the bear hunt.

01:16:14.000 The bears are your friends.

01:16:16.000 And then bear-human encounters increased by over 200% over the term of this new governor.

01:16:21.000 And then he finally relinquished and now reopened the bear hunt.

01:16:25.000 Now they're going to extend the bear hunt.

01:16:27.000 We're good to go.

01:16:46.000 You won't find them.

01:16:48.000 When we're up in Alberta, when you go through the woods, you hardly ever see black bears.

01:16:53.000 But they're everywhere.

01:16:54.000 They're all over the place. 0.98

01:16:55.000 They just smell you coming a fucking million miles away, and they steer clear. 0.99

01:16:59.000 Yeah, they do. 0.99

01:17:00.000 So do wolves. 0.94

01:17:01.000 Yep.

01:17:02.000 We got a lot of coyotes out there at the boneyard.

01:17:06.000 I'll show you a picture that my friend John Rivett sent me from Alberta.

01:17:09.000 He sent me this recently.

01:17:11.000 A couple of weeks ago, there was wolves up there in front of one of his trail cams. 0.95

01:17:18.000 And it's pretty fucking cool pictures.

01:17:21.000 Let me find this. 0.56

01:17:23.000 I know he sent it to me recently.

01:17:25.000 He might have sent it with Jen, too.

01:17:31.000 But they live in a very remote part of Alberta, where it's, you know, it's all what they call crown land up there.

01:17:41.000 You know, so it's just...

01:17:44.000 Well, you know what?

01:17:45.000 It might be on Instagram.

01:17:46.000 I'm not going to find it. 0.76

01:17:48.000 I know he sent it to me recently, but it's pretty fucking cool. 0.75

01:17:51.000 These wolves that are up there, they killed something, and they're all surrounding it, tearing it apart, and it just happened to be in front of one of his trail cameras. 0.91

01:18:01.000 They caught it.

01:18:01.000 Wow.

01:18:02.000 Because they have trail cameras set up on all these various roads to see what's walking in and walking out, and they killed something a few yards.

01:18:12.000 Yeah, I let guys trap beaver on my ground.

01:18:16.000 And beavers can fuck up a water system pretty quick. 0.99

01:18:21.000 Especially if you have flowing water you need to keep flowing.

01:18:25.000 And they'll dam it up and then you've got problems.

01:18:27.000 So we have guys that go out and trap beavers in the winter.

01:18:31.000 I ate beaver.

01:18:32.000 I've never had beaver.

01:18:33.000 I had beaver with Steve Rinella.

01:18:34.000 He cooked it.

01:18:35.000 He made like a beaver pot roast.

01:18:36.000 It was delicious.

01:18:37.000 It tasted almost like beef.

01:18:39.000 It was very good.

01:18:40.000 Oh, that kind of beaver.

01:18:42.000 Yeah.

01:18:42.000 Oh, you're talking about the other guy.

01:18:44.000 Right.

01:18:44.000 Yeah, the other thing they used to eat, we tried, but it's disgusting, is the tail.

01:18:49.000 They used to eat, like pioneers used to eat beaver tail.

01:18:52.000 The trappers used to eat it because it was a very good source of fat because the tail is basically all fat, but it's pretty nasty.

01:19:00.000 Did you try that?

01:19:01.000 Yeah, I ate it.

01:19:02.000 I've never had that.

01:19:05.000 It's kind of weird.

01:19:06.000 It's not something you're interested in.

01:19:08.000 But if you're starving, it would be a source of fat.

01:19:11.000 And I think that's what they were doing it for.

01:19:13.000 But the meat itself, like I said, he braised it and then he slow cooked it.

01:19:18.000 It was very good.

01:19:21.000 It was surprising to me that people don't hunt beavers for food.

01:19:25.000 That's how good it was.

01:19:26.000 Because they hunt them primarily for their pelts.

01:19:29.000 Yeah.

01:19:30.000 Yeah.

01:19:31.000 It's a warm pelt, too.

01:19:33.000 It's great fur.

01:19:34.000 So when you're up there, you got wolves in that area, you have bears in that area, you got moose, you got all this wildlife, and then you have this piece of ground where all these animals from thousands of years ago died.

01:19:52.000 That is a special place you have.

01:19:54.000 It is.

01:19:55.000 It really is.

01:19:56.000 And it's been fairly unknown about.

01:20:00.000 Until now.

01:20:01.000 Have you had a problem with people going up there and looking around?

01:20:05.000 Well, one of the things that we do, my company has a, we're in a solid waste business.

01:20:12.000 We have a construction debris landfill close by.

01:20:15.000 So we have really good access control.

01:20:18.000 At one point in my life when I had all this land, I was going, okay, I gotta somehow make a living with all this property if I'm not gonna mine it.

01:20:29.000 And I had a piece that was all mined out.

01:20:30.000 We got it permitted to be a construction debris landfill.

01:20:33.000 I was looking around and going, who owns a solid waste business in this country?

01:20:41.000 Well, the mafia.

01:20:44.000 Okay.

01:20:45.000 I want to get in on what they're doing.

01:20:48.000 Because that's where the money's at.

01:20:49.000 Solid waste?

01:20:50.000 Solid waste.

01:20:52.000 Landfills?

01:20:53.000 Yep.

01:20:54.000 Wouldn't that be dirty?

01:20:55.000 Isn't that like, if you're dumping waste on your land, doesn't that leak into the ground and get into the water supply?

01:21:01.000 It would, but we only take construction debris.

01:21:04.000 Oh, okay.

01:21:05.000 You know, we have the airport sitting in our landfill.

01:21:07.000 The Fairbanks, the old international airport.

01:21:10.000 700 houses from Isleson Air Force Base.

01:21:13.000 You just chop them up, throw them in there?

01:21:15.000 No, we don't.

01:21:16.000 We just...

01:21:16.000 Smash them?

01:21:17.000 We don't do the demolition.

01:21:19.000 We just have the place where the guys that do the demolition can take them.

01:21:23.000 So that's kind of how our company, even though we're a gold mining company, we're actually land managers.

01:21:29.000 But when you're digging a hole like that, are you concerned that maybe they could dig a hole and there would be woolly mammoths in there too?

01:21:36.000 Well, they're right next to where we're digging.

01:21:39.000 Yeah, I mean, wouldn't you think that, unfortunately, that they could smash and destroy valuable bones?

01:21:45.000 No, no, they're just delivering the refuse.

01:21:48.000 Right, but I mean, to dig that hole, right?

01:21:50.000 No, the hole's already been dug.

01:21:51.000 Okay.

01:21:52.000 All that part has already been mined out.

01:21:55.000 And you're sure there's nothing in there?

01:21:57.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 Okay.

01:21:59.000 Yeah, there's stuff adjacent to it, but we don't impose on that.

01:22:02.000 So, what is it about this one particular five-acre area?

01:22:07.000 Like, why are there so many animals in this one spot?

01:22:10.000 And do you think there's multiple other spots?

01:22:13.000 You said you know of one.

01:22:15.000 But you have 10,000 acres.

01:22:17.000 I mean, how many more of those are out there?

01:22:19.000 And how many more in the surrounding land that's not yours might also hold these similar piles of these dead ancient animals?

01:22:30.000 We have no way of knowing.

01:22:31.000 That's crazy.

01:22:33.000 Listen, I've spent 15 years on this one piece.

01:22:38.000 Fifteen years on five acres.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 And my wife, by the way, my wife calls it my adorable little hobby. 1.00

01:22:45.000 So when she sees this, if she ever discovers how much money we spend on fuel and equipment, you know, I'm in trouble.

01:22:54.000 Yeah, but historically...

01:22:56.000 I mean, it's so significant.

01:22:59.000 It's such an unusual place.

01:23:00.000 When I first found your page, I thought, something's wrong here.

01:23:05.000 I'm reading something wrong.

01:23:06.000 I can't help you come from this one place.

01:23:08.000 Maybe this guy collects it, brings it in from other places.

01:23:10.000 Maybe he's a paleontologist. 1.00

01:23:12.000 And then I'm like, no, this guy's just fucking finding this shit on his land. 0.99

01:23:17.000 And the way you were going about it, it's like, I'll just put it over there. 0.99

01:23:21.000 I was like, this is bananas.

01:23:23.000 These are huge scientific discoveries.

01:23:25.000 Yep.

01:23:27.000 I'm not a scientist.

01:23:28.000 Well, I guarantee you a lot of...

01:23:31.000 Well, many must already know about you, right?

01:23:34.000 No.

01:23:34.000 No?

01:23:35.000 No.

01:23:36.000 They might after this.

01:23:37.000 How do they not know?

01:23:38.000 If you're a paleontologist and you're studying short-faced bears, or if you're studying, you know, these ancient deceased mammoths and all these...

01:23:47.000 Wouldn't you be drawn to your place?

01:23:51.000 You would think.

01:23:52.000 Now, the fellow that made that documentary film...

01:23:57.000 He's really...

01:23:58.000 He did a beautiful job on that documentary.

01:24:01.000 He's won several film contests.

01:24:04.000 The most recent was Denali Film Contest last summer.

01:24:09.000 It hasn't gotten really seen by anybody, but we went up to the Explorers Club in New York City for a screening of it several years ago when it was done.

01:24:20.000 And those people were really interested in it.

01:24:23.000 And...

01:24:24.000 I'm in the Explorers Club.

01:24:26.000 Drew's in the Explorers Club. 0.98

01:24:27.000 We do some pretty neat shit. 0.79

01:24:29.000 But I don't know any... 0.70

01:24:32.000 We're not looking for anybody to come out there.

01:24:36.000 We're kind of like, I'll only tell Joe Rogan about this. 0.98

01:24:41.000 He lasted three fucking years and now look what happened. 0.92

01:24:45.000 I mean, I don't want to say you're obligated, but I think what you're sitting on is of immense historical significance. 0.98

01:24:56.000 Not only that, but it's going to be very expensive for those guys, whoever does this kind of work, to do the proper research.

01:25:02.000 Because it's a moving body of frozen ice and muck with trees that can topple down the size of your chunks of ice, the size of a pickup truck can fall out of no place.

01:25:15.000 So that's why we don't want a bunch of people out there wandering around.

01:25:19.000 Right.

01:25:19.000 And you've developed a method to do it.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, we have.

01:25:23.000 But you're just kind of doing it for yourself.

01:25:25.000 Right.

01:25:25.000 We're just doing it.

01:25:26.000 It's like going Easter egg hunting every day.

01:25:28.000 That's unheard of.

01:25:29.000 Yeah.

01:25:29.000 Isn't that unheard of?

01:25:30.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:25:31.000 It's very crazy, John.

01:25:33.000 I know.

01:25:34.000 Dropping out of the University of Florida with a full scholarship and hitchhiking to Alaska is crazy.

01:25:39.000 All of it's crazy.

01:25:40.000 Yeah.

01:25:41.000 The whole story's crazy, but it's just crazy that you've got this five-acre patch of land that's yielded dire wolves, short-faced bears.

01:25:52.000 I mean, look at this.

01:25:54.000 This is crazy.

01:25:55.000 Yeah, that's true, coming out of a washout.

01:25:59.000 You can see a tusk on the ground, too, on the left.

01:26:01.000 Jesus.

01:26:02.000 So he just goes in this washout and pulls out these tusks.

01:26:06.000 How many more do you think are in there?

01:26:09.000 We have no clue.

01:26:12.000 That is so insane.

01:26:14.000 This was the day after the day.

01:26:16.000 You know, the day before, we had pulled out a mammoth and a half.

01:26:21.000 And that's another tusk over there that he's grabbing?

01:26:23.000 Yeah, that he's grabbing right there.

01:26:25.000 So they're just everywhere in there.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:27.000 So there had to be just thousands of animals that died and died in a way where they froze and sunk into the muck.

01:26:37.000 I think they were transported there by water.

01:26:40.000 Oh.

01:26:41.000 I don't think they died right there.

01:26:43.000 We found some mummies.

01:26:45.000 Oh, like they died in a flood.

01:26:47.000 They could have, wherever they died, and that just happened to end up there.

01:26:51.000 But so many of them?

01:26:55.000 Just guessing, right?

01:26:56.000 I have no idea. 0.99

01:26:59.000 You remember I told you I was a shitty student. 0.96

01:27:03.000 He seems to be a good bone digger. 0.99

01:27:04.000 Oh, excuse me, boner. 0.94

01:27:06.000 A super boner. 0.98

01:27:07.000 If you find 50,000, you're a super boner. 0.96

01:27:09.000 Oh, you have like tears?

01:27:11.000 Yeah, and there will never be another super boner but me.

01:27:14.000 Oh, nice.

01:27:15.000 And I win the chili cook-off every year.

01:27:18.000 You throw a little mammoth meat in that chili.

01:27:20.000 Have you ever eaten mammoth meat?

01:27:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:22.000 What?

01:27:23.000 Yep.

01:27:24.000 You ate it?

01:27:25.000 Yeah.

01:27:25.000 What?

01:27:27.000 How old was it?

01:27:29.000 We didn't carbon date it, but it's got to be at least 12,000 years old.

01:27:33.000 So you found physical tissue, like muscle and tissue, and you cooked it?

01:27:39.000 I have a friend up there that found a bison.

01:27:42.000 Blue babe is what it's called. 1.00

01:27:44.000 You'll probably find it someplace.

01:27:46.000 They got killed by a lion.

01:27:48.000 It's one of the main displays at the University of Alaska Museum.

01:27:54.000 And when he discovered it, he got a hold of the museum.

01:27:57.000 He was using giants like I use.

01:28:00.000 And this was...

01:28:01.000 There is it right there.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, it's Dale Guthrie.

01:28:03.000 Wow.

01:28:04.000 So the whole thing was frozen solid.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:07.000 So it's got the...

01:28:08.000 We're looking at this image.

01:28:10.000 It's got the tissue on it.

01:28:11.000 It's got all the skin.

01:28:13.000 It's got everything.

01:28:14.000 Yep.

01:28:16.000 And...

01:28:17.000 You guys cut a chunk off that and threw it in the Traeger?

01:28:20.000 Not off that one.

01:28:24.000 But when he found it, he got a hold of the museum.

01:28:26.000 He says, hey, I have something coming out of the muck here you guys might want to come look at.

01:28:30.000 But before I tell you about it, what's the process?

01:28:34.000 Well, what do you think it is?

01:28:36.000 Well, I think it's an Ice Age animal.

01:28:39.000 Well, and it's right where I'm mining.

01:28:41.000 And they said, well, we can do an emergency excavation.

01:28:45.000 We can come in, have it out of there in a day.

01:28:48.000 He said, okay, come get it.

01:28:49.000 He told them where it was.

01:28:51.000 They went in there.

01:28:54.000 And this is significant.

01:28:59.000 You're done mining here.

01:29:01.000 What?

01:29:02.000 You're done.

01:29:04.000 We're not going to do an emergency excavation on this.

01:29:06.000 This is a complete animal.

01:29:08.000 It's going to take us a while.

01:29:10.000 So he's a friend of mine.

01:29:11.000 He says, guess what happened, John?

01:29:12.000 I said, what?

01:29:13.000 He goes, I had to go mine another creek the rest of that summer.

01:29:17.000 You want to know the name of that creek?

01:29:20.000 I said, yeah.

01:29:21.000 It's called No Gold Creek.

01:29:25.000 He goes, you know why they call it that, John?

01:29:28.000 I think so.

01:29:29.000 He says, I ate nothing but pork and beans and hot dogs all winter.

01:29:33.000 I had no money.

01:29:34.000 I had no gold.

01:29:35.000 Those guys came in.

01:29:37.000 Shut everything down.

01:29:38.000 Shut everything down. 0.69

01:29:39.000 For this one animal.

01:29:40.000 For this one animal.

01:29:42.000 Does he regret making that phone call?

01:29:44.000 He did.

01:29:46.000 Because after it was all restored and became a preeminent display at the university, and it's been in New York City too, with the AMNH on display.

01:29:57.000 His mom was living in Palm Springs in California, came up to visit him.

01:30:02.000 Now she's elderly.

01:30:04.000 And he's a long-time plaster mining family.

01:30:07.000 His father, they were having dinner at the creek one night, and his wife said, there's somebody in the sluice box.

01:30:15.000 They were sitting down to eat, looked out, grabbed his rifle, bang.

01:30:23.000 Put his rifle down, finished his meal, went to bed.

01:30:26.000 He shot the guy?

01:30:28.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 The next morning they're having breakfast.

01:30:33.000 EPA had come in on a site visit.

01:30:37.000 One of the EPA guys came running down and said, there's a wounded guy inside your sluice box.

01:30:43.000 And the old man says, he's wounded?

01:30:47.000 Yeah, he's wounded.

01:30:49.000 Huh.

01:30:51.000 Off he went.

01:30:53.000 He didn't kill him. 0.73

01:30:54.000 He clipped him.

01:30:55.000 He didn't try to clip him. 0.99

01:30:57.000 He tried to kill him.

01:30:58.000 Now, getting back to my story.

01:31:00.000 Jesus Christ, how crazy are people in Alaska? 1.00

01:31:03.000 Just kill him and go back to dinner? 1.00

01:31:06.000 That's some Wild West shit. 1.00

01:31:07.000 It is. 1.00

01:31:08.000 This was probably 40 years ago that happened.

01:31:12.000 30 years ago.

01:31:14.000 And...

01:31:16.000 Anyways, he's the one that found Blue Babe, this guy, the son.

01:31:20.000 It's his mom.

01:31:21.000 His dad had passed.

01:31:22.000 His mom came up.

01:31:22.000 Hold on.

01:31:23.000 Go back to the guy who got shot.

01:31:25.000 What was the guy doing?

01:31:26.000 Stealing gold.

01:31:27.000 Oh! 0.60

01:31:28.000 It was inside the guy's sluice box.

01:31:30.000 Okay.

01:31:30.000 It happens.

01:31:32.000 You know, the guy's getting inside. 1.00

01:31:34.000 We've caught people doing stupid shit. 1.00

01:31:37.000 I'm sure. 1.00

01:31:40.000 And guys that crawl into your sluice box at the end of the day.

01:31:44.000 How big is a sluice box?

01:31:45.000 They all vary, but generally speaking, they're, let's say, 30 feet long and maybe 6 or 8 feet wide with riffles that stop the gravel and the gold goes over.

01:31:57.000 Did this guy get in trouble for shooting that guy?

01:31:59.000 Uh-uh.

01:32:02.000 No.

01:32:02.000 Property.

01:32:05.000 Nobody likes those guys stealing shit. 1.00

01:32:11.000 And the guy didn't file charges for being wounded. 1.00

01:32:14.000 He just kind of went someplace.

01:32:19.000 Jesus Christ.

01:32:21.000 But, my buddy, his mom came up to visit, go to the museum up there, to see.

01:32:28.000 He says, come on mom, I want to show you Blue Babe. 0.73

01:32:31.000 So they went up there and it was a $3 admission per person.

01:32:35.000 He gets to the front and He says, yeah, this is my mom.

01:32:40.000 There'll be two of us.

01:32:42.000 But I'm the guy that discovered Blue Babe.

01:32:45.000 And the girl, they're taking the money.

01:32:47.000 She didn't know any better.

01:32:48.000 She goes...

01:32:49.000 Oh, that's nice.

01:32:50.000 He says, yeah.

01:32:53.000 He says, let me make a call.

01:32:55.000 So she calls somebody.

01:32:56.000 She comes back and says, I tell you what, we're going to let you in for free, but it's going to be three bucks for your mom. 0.54

01:33:02.000 Oh, my God.

01:33:04.000 Oh, my God is right.

01:33:05.000 They made a big mistake.

01:33:07.000 Because the same guy found a full woolly mammoth.

01:33:11.000 You asked if I ate woolly mammoth before. 0.99

01:33:15.000 He didn't make no fucking phone call. 0.99

01:33:20.000 Had a little bit of a barbecue. 1.00

01:33:22.000 Jesus! 1.00

01:33:23.000 A lot of Jack Daniels and shit like that went down. 0.99

01:33:27.000 Now explain what condition the meat was in. 0.96

01:33:29.000 Was it frozen solid?

01:33:31.000 No, not by the time we ate it.

01:33:33.000 Right, but when he found it.

01:33:35.000 Oh yeah.

01:33:35.000 It was frozen solid.

01:33:36.000 Yes, sir.

01:33:38.000 And so it just thaws it out?

01:33:42.000 Once it's out of the permafrost, it starts melting.

01:33:46.000 And then what was it like?

01:33:48.000 Like a steak? 0.99

01:33:50.000 Oh, fuck no. 1.00

01:33:51.000 Like a shoe leather. 1.00

01:33:53.000 Well, of course, they're very thick.

01:33:55.000 You gotta put them in some kind of, you know, you gotta let them soak into some kind of marinade.

01:34:02.000 Did you have any apprehension about eating a 20,000-year-old mammoth?

01:34:07.000 Not after the first few drinks.

01:34:11.000 How much of it did you guys cook?

01:34:13.000 It wasn't very much.

01:34:16.000 He sold the whole animal to a collector.

01:34:20.000 Got close to half a million bucks for it.

01:34:22.000 Wow.

01:34:23.000 And so how does one even transport?

01:34:26.000 Do you have to refreeze it?

01:34:28.000 Like, what do you do?

01:34:29.000 I think the buyer just wanted the bones.

01:34:31.000 He wanted the skeleton.

01:34:32.000 Oh.

01:34:33.000 Because the skeleton of a woolly mammoth is very expensive.

01:34:36.000 You know, you talk about tusks.

01:34:39.000 Wouldn't that tissue be very valuable?

01:34:43.000 I'm not the only guy around that's eating mammoth up there.

01:34:46.000 What?

01:34:48.000 Is that a small club of you guys?

01:34:51.000 I don't know if it's a small club.

01:34:53.000 We don't recognize it in each other, but you've got no choice.

01:34:58.000 You find a woolly mammoth with meat on it, you're going to have to eat some of it.

01:35:02.000 You just have to.

01:35:03.000 Why?

01:35:05.000 What's the point if you don't?

01:35:07.000 Well, you didn't even eat that bear.

01:35:10.000 What's that?

01:35:11.000 The berry shot.

01:35:12.000 You didn't eat him.

01:35:13.000 No.

01:35:13.000 He was too fresh.

01:35:14.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

01:35:17.000 Too fresh. 0.99

01:35:18.000 So how did they cook it?

01:35:19.000 They sauteed it and slow cooked it?

01:35:22.000 Like, what'd they do?

01:35:22.000 No, just carved it.

01:35:23.000 Carved meat off, threw it on a stick over a campfire.

01:35:27.000 Really?

01:35:28.000 Yeah.

01:35:28.000 Caveman style?

01:35:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:31.000 Until you go caveman.

01:35:33.000 You know, you're the kind of guy to go caveman in an instant. 1.00

01:35:37.000 You'd be up there fucking running around the campfire chewing on a woolly mammoth prime rib. 1.00

01:35:42.000 You'd be... 1.00

01:35:44.000 So you put a little salt on it?

01:35:46.000 How are you eating it?

01:35:47.000 Just whiskey.

01:35:50.000 No, I've changed my drink to tequila because I know it's healthy for me.

01:35:54.000 Healthy.

01:35:55.000 Air quotes.

01:35:56.000 Healthy.

01:35:57.000 So, how many of you ate this mammoth?

01:36:01.000 About ten of us.

01:36:03.000 Ten of you?

01:36:04.000 Just everybody has a couple bites or do you like have a full meal? 1.00

01:36:07.000 Oh fuck no. 0.99

01:36:08.000 Just a few bites. 1.00

01:36:09.000 That's all you want.

01:36:10.000 Does it taste good?

01:36:12.000 You know it's like when you jump into your ice water, it's different.

01:36:20.000 How many people do that?

01:36:22.000 I think a lot now.

01:36:24.000 Probably a few people.

01:36:26.000 It's pretty common.

01:36:30.000 Amongst the kind of people that I associate with.

01:36:33.000 I was down in Juneau for a tourism deal when I sold my business to Carnival.

01:36:39.000 The night before, we all got a little bit liquored up.

01:36:42.000 And the next morning, I had to put the final negotiations together with these guys.

01:36:47.000 So I went out to the glacier that's just outside of Juneau.

01:36:51.000 I think it's called Mendenhall.

01:36:52.000 Mendenhall.

01:36:54.000 And got out there, walked out there, never seen it.

01:36:57.000 And there was nobody around late in the fall.

01:37:00.000 And I'm a swimmer. 0.99

01:37:01.000 I go, fuck, you ain't got a ball if you don't go hop in that water. 1.00

01:37:05.000 So I know what it's like to get nice cold water. 1.00

01:37:08.000 So I stripped down, went in. 0.99

01:37:13.000 God damn, this is cold and I got the hell out. 0.99

01:37:16.000 But my hair was still dry. 1.00

01:37:18.000 I said, what kind of pussy are you? 1.00

01:37:22.000 I gotta go in there and swim a little bit. 1.00

01:37:24.000 So I went back in, took a few strokes, hit a piece of ice with my hand like it was the end of the pool deck, swam back out, got out, put my pants on, put my shoes on, walked back to my rental car.

01:37:39.000 Got up to my rental car, going back into Juneau, going too fast through the residential area, get pulled over by a cop.

01:37:48.000 License registration, I said it's a rental car, here's my license.

01:37:51.000 He goes, how come you ain't got a shirt on?

01:37:54.000 Why's your hair wet?

01:37:56.000 I said, I have a meeting.

01:37:57.000 I was trying to get my cobwebs out of my head.

01:37:59.000 I went swimming with that glacier down there.

01:38:02.000 He goes, you went in there and swimming?

01:38:03.000 I said, yeah. 1.00

01:38:05.000 He goes, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:38:06.000 I ain't got time for this. 0.98

01:38:08.000 No ticket, no nothing.

01:38:10.000 I went in, had a good meeting with those guys.

01:38:14.000 Wakes you up, doesn't it?

01:38:15.000 Oh, it does.

01:38:16.000 Yeah.

01:38:16.000 It really does.

01:38:17.000 That's all I have to do at first thing in the morning.

01:38:19.000 Gets the party rolling.

01:38:20.000 Do you do that every day?

01:38:21.000 Every day.

01:38:22.000 Jesus.

01:38:23.000 Yeah.

01:38:24.000 I can't imagine.

01:38:25.000 Well, then I work out.

01:38:27.000 I work out after I get out of there.

01:38:28.000 I saw your gym.

01:38:30.000 Yeah.

01:38:30.000 Unreal.

01:38:31.000 It's nice.

01:38:32.000 I go to CrossFit Jack's with my...

01:38:34.000 All our family does.

01:38:35.000 Oh, great.

01:38:36.000 And we do CrossFit.

01:38:38.000 I do it down here.

01:38:39.000 I don't do it up north, but my wife and daughter and Drew, they all do it.

01:38:44.000 And...

01:38:46.000 I'm not very good at it because I'm kind of not in the best shape for being my age.

01:38:53.000 But I do deadlifts and I do barbell stuff and things like that.

01:38:59.000 And they really enjoy CrossFit.

01:39:01.000 It's great.

01:39:03.000 We have a little box in our shop where they do overhead with woolly mammoth tusks.

01:39:10.000 How much do one of those weigh?

01:39:12.000 Those are 90-pounders.

01:39:13.000 Jesus.

01:39:14.000 They do air squats with them over their heads.

01:39:16.000 They got pictures of Drew and Allura doing it.

01:39:18.000 Or Chris, actually, my sister Chris, when she was up there.

01:39:21.000 Look at this.

01:39:22.000 Yeah.

01:39:24.000 That's a great way to work out, man.

01:39:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:26.000 We have a little box.

01:39:27.000 Oh, that's amazing.

01:39:28.000 Look at that.

01:39:30.000 That's some hearty people.

01:39:32.000 Yeah, Drew out there, he played for Detroit for seven years.

01:39:35.000 Oh, so you got a real setup back there, huh?

01:39:37.000 Yeah, he's a tiger.

01:39:39.000 And strong.

01:39:44.000 Crossfit's good for you.

01:39:46.000 I don't do enough of it.

01:39:48.000 It's great.

01:39:49.000 It is great for you.

01:39:50.000 So is that cold plunge.

01:39:51.000 I can't do it, dude.

01:39:54.000 Out there, you just need a bucket of water in the ground.

01:39:57.000 Just climb into a barrel.

01:39:59.000 It's already frozen, you know?

01:40:01.000 Just chip the ice off the top, climb right in.

01:40:04.000 You don't need any equipment.

01:40:06.000 Now, I like the hot tubs outside in the Northern Lights and all that stuff.

01:40:10.000 That's nice, too.

01:40:11.000 Yeah, it is.

01:40:12.000 That's nice, too.

01:40:12.000 I can't imagine in Alaska doing that.

01:40:15.000 It'll probably feel good.

01:40:17.000 It's probably warmer than the outside air.

01:40:21.000 Especially the last couple weeks.

01:40:23.000 Yeah, minus 50, huh?

01:40:25.000 Is that like when you take hot water and you throw it in the air and it turns into mist?

01:40:28.000 I've seen that in videos.

01:40:30.000 It's true.

01:40:30.000 Take a cup of coffee, throw it up in the air, nothing hits the ground.

01:40:38.000 Makes hardy people, though.

01:40:39.000 It does.

01:40:42.000 Fairbanksons are really good to each other.

01:40:45.000 Kind of have to be, right?

01:40:46.000 Yeah.

01:40:47.000 And they're really great to visitors.

01:40:51.000 It's a friendly town.

01:40:53.000 Alaska, if you've been up there, you know what I'm talking about.

01:40:55.000 I've been to Anchorage.

01:40:56.000 Well, I've been to a couple different places.

01:40:58.000 You've been to Anchorage?

01:40:58.000 Yeah, I've been to Anchorage.

01:41:00.000 I did comedy up there.

01:41:01.000 I'm sorry, that's 357 miles from Alaska.

01:41:04.000 It's not Alaska?

01:41:05.000 No, you've got to come to Fairbanks.

01:41:07.000 Anchorage is 357 miles away.

01:41:09.000 You want to see Alaska, come to Fairbanks.

01:41:11.000 I was impressed with Anchorage.

01:41:12.000 I was impressed with the character of the people.

01:41:15.000 And they just seemed like more sturdy people.

01:41:20.000 And I was like, of course they are. 1.00

01:41:21.000 There's fucking moose everywhere, bears everywhere and shit. 1.00

01:41:24.000 It's like you're living in a totally different reality than people that live in the lower 48s. 1.00

01:41:30.000 Yeah, my son lives in Palmer and his wife and two kids.

01:41:34.000 And that's outside of Anchorage a little ways.

01:41:38.000 And the folks in Anchorage will know what I'm talking about.

01:41:41.000 They're not going to get too upset with me for saying that.

01:41:43.000 But it's kind of a statewide thing.

01:41:46.000 Anchorage is, you know, wherever you're at, a little bit those many miles away from.

01:41:51.000 What is Anchorage to you guys if it's not Alaska?

01:41:54.000 It's a big city.

01:41:55.000 A big city?

01:41:55.000 It's a huge city.

01:41:57.000 How many people?

01:41:58.000 A couple hundred thousand?

01:42:00.000 Maybe.

01:42:01.000 Is that the biggest city in Alaska?

01:42:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:03.000 Yeah.

01:42:04.000 What is the population of Anchorage?

01:42:06.000 Is that where Sarah Palin lives?

01:42:07.000 She lives in Wasilla.

01:42:09.000 Is that close?

01:42:10.000 Yeah.

01:42:10.000 Isn't that close to Anchorage?

01:42:11.000 Have you met her?

01:42:12.000 No, I have not.

01:42:12.000 Nice lady.

01:42:13.000 Is she?

01:42:14.000 Yes, she really is.

01:42:14.000 She looks like a nice lady.

01:42:15.000 288,000.

01:42:17.000 Whoa.

01:42:17.000 Big city.

01:42:18.000 It is.

01:42:19.000 It's huge.

01:42:19.000 Huge.

01:42:22.000 Todd Palin, good friend of mine.

01:42:25.000 I guess everybody knows everybody up there.

01:42:27.000 How many people live in Alaska, all told?

01:42:30.000 700,000-something.

01:42:31.000 The whole state.

01:42:32.000 And it's enormous.

01:42:35.000 Well, here we are in Texas.

01:42:36.000 Now, this will piss off some of your Texas folks, but let's say, you know, you got North Carolina, South Carolina.

01:42:46.000 Let's say we did that to Alaska.

01:42:48.000 North Alaska, South Alaska.

01:42:50.000 Makes Texas the third largest state.

01:42:54.000 Right now they can say they're the second largest state.

01:42:57.000 Until 1959, they were the biggest state.

01:43:00.000 So it's bigger than two Texases?

01:43:03.000 Yeah.

01:43:04.000 Wow.

01:43:05.000 Texas beat third largest.

01:43:06.000 It's as big as the most 20 eastern states on the sea.

01:43:09.000 Alaska, on the entire east coast, most eastern 20 states.

01:43:15.000 Didn't we buy it from Russia for like $60?

01:43:18.000 Two cents an acre.

01:43:19.000 Seven million dollars?

01:43:21.000 That's it?

01:43:21.000 You imagine what a return on your investment.

01:43:24.000 Look at what it looks like if you just plunk it down the middle of the country. 1.00

01:43:27.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:43:30.000 Holy shit is it big. 1.00

01:43:31.000 We're up there where the two is. 0.99

01:43:33.000 That's wild.

01:43:36.000 That is crazy.

01:43:37.000 Where's Anchorage?

01:43:38.000 Anchorage down there.

01:43:39.000 Right there?

01:43:40.000 That's still Alaska, bro?

01:43:41.000 Up a little farther, right in there.

01:43:43.000 Dude, that's Alaska.

01:43:44.000 You're out of your mind.

01:43:45.000 That's still Alaska.

01:43:48.000 That's so funny that the hardiest of hardy people I had that woman, what is her name, Sue, what's her name from, Sue Akins, from Life Below Zero.

01:43:58.000 What a wild lady that is. 1.00

01:44:00.000 I'll tell you what. 1.00

01:44:01.000 That lady got attacked by a bear, mangled, broke her hip, like fucking tore her apart. 1.00

01:44:07.000 She crawls back to her place. 0.99

01:44:10.000 There's no one around, right?

01:44:11.000 Everyone is a plane flight of like seven hours to get to her, right?

01:44:16.000 She heals up, goes back out, kills that bear and eats it. 0.92

01:44:25.000 And I believe every word of that, too.

01:44:28.000 A hundred percent.

01:44:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:30.000 She is a hard lady. 1.00

01:44:32.000 She was a wonderful person to talk to.

01:44:34.000 I really enjoyed her company.

01:44:35.000 She's a fascinating person.

01:44:37.000 I mean, again, as hearty as it gets.

01:44:41.000 She is.

01:44:41.000 You know, and she lives in that area where you're not allowed to have permanent structures.

01:44:45.000 So the structures that she lives in all have, like, cloth outside.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, that's her. 0.60

01:44:53.000 Yep.

01:44:53.000 So they live in these houses that the bears can rip into and get into them.

01:45:00.000 So like she has to be locked and loaded everywhere she goes.

01:45:03.000 They got polar bears where she's at too, I think.

01:45:06.000 Ooh.

01:45:07.000 Those are nasty critters. 1.00

01:45:09.000 They're the nastiest. 0.98

01:45:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:45:10.000 They're the only ones that don't eat anything but meat. 0.99

01:45:13.000 Ugh.

01:45:15.000 And they're nothing compared to those short-faced bears. 1.00

01:45:17.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:45:17.000 Boy, we're lucky those aren't around. 1.00

01:45:19.000 What's the biggest...

01:45:20.000 How many short-faced bear skulls have you found out there?

01:45:23.000 Two.

01:45:24.000 Two.

01:45:25.000 And not only that, but I found years ago when I was mining as a worker at another camp, I was a hydraulicer.

01:45:33.000 I was the guy on the giant.

01:45:34.000 I found a saber-toothed skull.

01:45:36.000 And the University of Alaska head of geology had brought up visiting dignitary from...

01:45:43.000 Somewhere in England.

01:45:44.000 Some museum in England.

01:45:45.000 And they were going around meeting people.

01:45:48.000 And I showed this guy from England my saber-toothed tiger skull. 0.65

01:45:53.000 At the time I was 20, probably...

01:45:59.000 26, 27. And he says, hey, that's a unique specimen.

01:46:04.000 How about I take it back to England with me and I'll clean it and I'll restore it and send it back to you.

01:46:10.000 I said, okay.

01:46:12.000 Off it went.

01:46:13.000 Guess what?

01:46:14.000 Never saw it again.

01:46:15.000 Never saw it again.

01:46:16.000 Of course.

01:46:18.000 That's worth a lot of money, too. 1.00

01:46:20.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:46:21.000 I found another one in the archives. 1.00

01:46:24.000 Of the bones that were sent to AMNH. And it was on a shipping manifest, saber-toothed tiger skull.

01:46:34.000 But somehow, when I went to visit AMNH, they didn't show it to me.

01:46:39.000 And then, if you watched that, well you did, you watched the documentary today, and they said, Pat Druckenmiller said, to his knowledge, there's never been a saber-toothed tiger skull found in Alaska.

01:46:52.000 So, the one I sent to England has never come back, and the one that AM&H apparently got but never wrote up a report on never made it anyplace.

01:47:03.000 Could it be in those crates?

01:47:04.000 It could be.

01:47:05.000 It could be in some benefactor's house.

01:47:08.000 Probably.

01:47:10.000 And let's explore that a little bit in terms of the bones that were dumped in the river.

01:47:16.000 What if they're not there?

01:47:20.000 Right.

01:47:20.000 What if they distribute it amongst their wealthy friends?

01:47:23.000 That's how you get rid of stuff like that.

01:47:25.000 You get your benefactors.

01:47:26.000 Hey, would you like a mammoth tusk?

01:47:28.000 Yeah, I wouldn't imagine anybody would throw a mammoth tusk away.

01:47:31.000 I would think even back then.

01:47:33.000 They would.

01:47:34.000 Really?

01:47:35.000 God, that's so crazy.

01:47:37.000 They had hundreds of thousands of bones.

01:47:41.000 We have a couple hundred, a few thousand.

01:47:45.000 They could take up a lot of space.

01:47:48.000 I get it, but throwing them away seems an insane waste of something that's very valuable.

01:47:54.000 Even back then, I think they would understand that it's valuable.

01:48:01.000 You know what?

01:48:02.000 By the way, I brought you a hat.

01:48:04.000 Oh, thank you.

01:48:05.000 Yes, sir.

01:48:08.000 Fairbanks Gold Company, Alaska.

01:48:10.000 Is that your sweater that you're wearing, too?

01:48:13.000 Same logo.

01:48:15.000 That's my logo.

01:48:17.000 Yeah.

01:48:18.000 Fairbanks Gold Company.

01:48:19.000 Nice hat.

01:48:20.000 Yeah, it's, uh...

01:48:22.000 My daughters have this business called Gold Daughters.

01:48:25.000 And my...

01:48:26.000 We make stuff out of woolly mammoth ivory, as you know.

01:48:31.000 Mm-hmm.

01:48:33.000 And, uh...

01:48:34.000 That fellow that, uh...

01:48:38.000 Carved that tooth pipe...

01:48:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:48:41.000 ...is the fellow that carved this.

01:48:44.000 And, uh...

01:48:47.000 I want to give it to you.

01:48:49.000 It just seems strange to me that you're allowed to carve woolly mammoth tusks and teeth and make stuff out of it.

01:48:56.000 I have them carve me all kinds of stuff.

01:48:59.000 And I wanted to bring that to you.

01:49:01.000 That's for you.

01:49:06.000 Whoa.

01:49:09.000 If you can't see it, that's a little skull that's carved into this and it's a pipe.

01:49:15.000 It's a woolly mammoth tooth.

01:49:19.000 Woolly mammoth tooth carved into a pipe.

01:49:22.000 I bet that's the only one of these, Jamie.

01:49:26.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:49:28.000 I brought something for Jamie too.

01:49:30.000 That is crazy.

01:49:33.000 This is so wild.

01:49:35.000 Look at the size of this tooth. 0.98

01:49:39.000 It just seems kind of fucked up that someone would smoke pot out of this. 0.97

01:49:42.000 Well, you don't have to. 0.98

01:49:44.000 Good.

01:49:45.000 Jamie, do you ever use a pipe?

01:49:48.000 For what?

01:49:50.000 When you're sitting around, going over your literature.

01:49:53.000 Give one of those to Jamie and give the other one to somebody else that you want to.

01:49:57.000 I made those.

01:49:59.000 Thank you.

01:50:01.000 My daughter, Allora...

01:50:03.000 Longley is her last name.

01:50:05.000 These are legal?

01:50:06.000 They're totally legal.

01:50:08.000 Tobacco-less only.

01:50:09.000 I know, but that's what I'm saying.

01:50:10.000 I mean, the actual owning this tooth seems crazy.

01:50:14.000 No, we own thousands and thousands of pounds of that material.

01:50:17.000 That's so nuts.

01:50:19.000 But we've found that with the broken tusks that we find, we make stuff out of.

01:50:26.000 What do you make out of the broken tusks?

01:50:29.000 Those.

01:50:30.000 Just pot?

01:50:30.000 Pipes?

01:50:31.000 No, actually, here's something else.

01:50:34.000 You'll like this story.

01:50:35.000 Okay.

01:50:36.000 I brought you some guitar picks.

01:50:39.000 Oh, okay.

01:50:40.000 I'm going to get one of these to Gary Clark Jr. I made all these, Joe.

01:50:45.000 Oh, wow.

01:50:48.000 Oh, man.

01:50:50.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:50:51.000 I sent Kelly Slater... 1.00

01:50:54.000 Was doing a fundraiser for a homeless surfer.

01:50:57.000 So I sent him a care package of things to sell at the auction that they were going to give the money to this guy.

01:51:04.000 And I included some picks and some pipes and some stuff.

01:51:08.000 Wow.

01:51:09.000 And I said, hey, if you know any...

01:51:14.000 Guitar guys that might appreciate, make sure you give them one of these picks.

01:51:19.000 So he sends me this video a year and a half later or so.

01:51:23.000 It's been a while tracking this guy down.

01:51:25.000 He's giving a pick to Eddie Vedder.

01:51:28.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:51:29.000 He sent me the video.

01:51:29.000 I think I have it posted on my site.

01:51:32.000 And he's playing with it?

01:51:33.000 Yeah.

01:51:34.000 Eddie Vedder's going, well, Kelly giving it to him, he goes, oh, this is cool, because he likes to collect fossils, too, apparently. 0.97

01:51:44.000 That's pretty fucking cool. 0.84

01:51:46.000 Drew and I make stuff. 0.97

01:51:48.000 We make earrings.

01:51:49.000 We make pipes.

01:51:51.000 I'm a little torn on that.

01:51:53.000 It's extinct.

01:51:55.000 I know!

01:51:56.000 You know how many elephants we've saved?

01:51:59.000 How many elephants have you saved?

01:52:00.000 What do you mean?

01:52:01.000 It's illegal to carve elephant ivory anymore.

01:52:03.000 You're not allowed to deal in elephant ivory anymore.

01:52:07.000 They used to be able to use pre-ban ivory for like pool cues and things like that.

01:52:12.000 It was all elephants that were shot decades and decades ago and the logic behind it was they've already been killed.

01:52:20.000 It would be a horrible waste to just Leave this stuff.

01:52:25.000 In some places, they've burned it.

01:52:26.000 Have you ever seen those where they have piles of tusks and they just burn them?

01:52:32.000 That seems even worse to me.

01:52:34.000 Well, the mammoth ivory, we have thousands of pounds of broken tusks.

01:52:40.000 They come out broken, just like the bones.

01:52:43.000 So we make stuff out of it.

01:52:46.000 Wow.

01:52:47.000 You know, and the picks apparently make the guitar sound better.

01:52:51.000 Drew's dad plays, and he loves his.

01:52:53.000 It's got to be better than plastic.

01:52:54.000 Well, just the thought behind it would almost kind of make it better.

01:52:58.000 Like, knowing that you're playing with something that died 20,000 years ago.

01:53:02.000 Yeah.

01:53:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:05.000 No, it's a mind blower.

01:53:07.000 I'm torn, Jamie.

01:53:08.000 Are you a little torn on this, too?

01:53:09.000 Does it seem kind of fucked up that you're making stuff out of a limited resource of things that died tens of thousands of years ago? 0.51

01:53:20.000 Do you see what I'm saying? 0.92

01:53:22.000 Yeah, but you were just talking about those elephants.

01:53:26.000 We're talking about something that died 20,000.

01:53:28.000 Right, but they're still making elephants. 1.00

01:53:31.000 You know, I don't think you should kill elephants for their ivory, for sure.

01:53:35.000 But the pre-banned ivory, that's an animal that exists. 0.63

01:53:39.000 They're still around. 1.00

01:53:41.000 Let me call my wife Moana, hide that ivory and shit. 1.00

01:53:44.000 Gigs up. 1.00

01:53:45.000 Well, it seems to me that it could very easily go down.

01:53:50.000 You can have that.

01:53:51.000 Oh, thank you very much.

01:53:52.000 Thank you.

01:53:53.000 It just seems to me that it could very easily go down that they would make that illegal.

01:53:57.000 It's possible.

01:53:58.000 I know they made walrus ivory illegal.

01:54:01.000 You can still use prehistoric walrus ivory for the things that the carvers use. 0.99

01:54:07.000 That's even more fucked up. 0.58

01:54:09.000 So you could use the stuff from the animals that are long extinct. 0.97

01:54:12.000 Again, a very finite resource.

01:54:14.000 But you can't use the ones from the ones that are alive.

01:54:17.000 I prefer to think that the less of that resource that's available, the more valuable it becomes. 0.96

01:54:22.000 That is true, but if everybody turns them into potpipes, it's going to be a real fucking problem. 0.99

01:54:27.000 Not everybody will. 0.97

01:54:27.000 My daughter makes beautiful jewelry out of her little pieces of ivory that she has. 0.97

01:54:33.000 She's the Saks Fifth Avenue of mammoth ivory jewelry. 0.98

01:54:37.000 Jew and I are the Dollar General.

01:54:39.000 Does your daughter have a website where she sells her stuff? 0.97

01:54:41.000 Ellora Longley.

01:54:43.000 That's her Instagram page.

01:54:45.000 Go to her Instagram, see if you can find her.

01:54:48.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

01:54:49.000 She's really good at it.

01:54:52.000 And so she just sells it? 0.99

01:54:53.000 Yeah.

01:54:54.000 She just had a Christmas thing that she unloaded.

01:54:58.000 She sold eight nice pieces.

01:55:01.000 They call it when you drop, I guess.

01:55:03.000 When you drop stuff.

01:55:04.000 So here it is.

01:55:06.000 So this stuff that she has, all that, this is all mammoth ivory?

01:55:10.000 Yeah.

01:55:10.000 Mammoth ivory, and then you see some with gold nuggets on it.

01:55:14.000 Wow. 0.98

01:55:15.000 That's pretty fucking cool. 0.97

01:55:18.000 Yeah, also comes off our ground. 0.97

01:55:19.000 She makes rings, too? 0.96

01:55:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:22.000 I'm telling you, she's Saks Fifth Avenue. 0.99

01:55:25.000 That's cool-looking stuff, I'll tell you that.

01:55:27.000 That ring right there with a piece of walrus ivory in it, or mammoth ivory, whatever that is?

01:55:31.000 Yep, mammoth.

01:55:32.000 That's mammoth ivory?

01:55:33.000 Yep.

01:55:33.000 And she turns that into a ring?

01:55:34.000 Oh, wow.

01:55:35.000 You've got to remember that what we start with is a nasty-looking just shard. 1.00

01:55:42.000 And she spends a lot of time on those. 0.92

01:55:44.000 She's making cabs now, and she's learning the business from a guy up in Jacksonville.

01:55:50.000 Guy Beard is his name.

01:55:52.000 He does a jewelry store.

01:55:53.000 We have a set of tusks in there for sale that we found on another creek.

01:55:57.000 It's a match set.

01:55:59.000 So you sell the tusks?

01:56:00.000 Off another creek, yeah.

01:56:01.000 Not from the boneyard.

01:56:03.000 We keep everything from the boneyard in one collection.

01:56:06.000 But we have a bunch of different mining operations going.

01:56:10.000 And when you do have them, what do you do?

01:56:12.000 You put it up for auction or something?

01:56:14.000 You put it at Christie's?

01:56:15.000 Or what do you do?

01:56:15.000 No, we sell them.

01:56:16.000 I told this guy, go ahead and sell them if you want.

01:56:19.000 Wow.

01:56:20.000 He's got a real upscale jewelry store in Jacksonville.

01:56:23.000 So if someone wants to buy a mammoth tusk, how much does one of those cost?

01:56:29.000 That pair he's selling right there is like $250,000, $225,000, something like that.

01:56:35.000 Wow.

01:56:36.000 Yeah.

01:56:37.000 I know a rich guy who bought a saber-toothed tiger head.

01:56:40.000 Bought a real saber-toothed tiger skull.

01:56:43.000 Probably bought it from your guy.

01:56:45.000 Stole it from you. 1.00

01:56:46.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

01:56:50.000 You know, they have a lot of saber-toothed tigers, I think, in Eastern Europe, Western Europe, that area. 1.00

01:56:59.000 But Alaska...

01:57:01.000 They find them in Los Angeles.

01:57:04.000 La Brea Tar Pits.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, which is bizarre.

01:57:08.000 If you're around La Brea...

01:57:10.000 You're like, surely I'm in the wrong place.

01:57:12.000 Yep. 0.99

01:57:13.000 And then you go to the La Brea Tar Pit Museum and you're like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:57:16.000 It's right here? 0.99

01:57:17.000 We found more bones in 15 years than they've found in 100. Whoa.

01:57:23.000 And I've been there.

01:57:24.000 And they have a lot of dire wolves in that display.

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 But, you know, dire wolves never lived up in Alaska.

01:57:32.000 That's what's crazy is that your one five-acre plot has changed where they thought dire wolves lived.

01:57:39.000 Not just them, but the fact that we find badger skulls.

01:57:46.000 Some of the experts say, well, badgers didn't live here back in the Ice Age.

01:57:51.000 But one of my most significant finds ever is a blue feather.

01:57:56.000 A blue feather.

01:57:57.000 I have it on my site someplace.

01:58:00.000 It was buried deep inside the hollow end of a 10-foot mammoth tusk that was under 65 feet of overburden in the gravels.

01:58:09.000 And, you know, when you're cleaning out a tusk, when you get it out of the ground and the material starts to dry, we put clamps on those tusks so as they dry they don't split.

01:58:20.000 And out of the end comes this blue feather.

01:58:25.000 That's it.

01:58:28.000 People go, what's your most significant find ever?

01:58:31.000 I go, that blue feather.

01:58:32.000 Is that a peacock? 0.99

01:58:33.000 I don't know what the fuck that is. 0.99

01:58:36.000 People go, why don't you carbon date it? 0.99

01:58:38.000 Okay, well there's not a whole lot left of it now, so let's burn it all the fuck up so we can know how old it was.

01:58:46.000 They have no idea what that is? 0.53

01:58:48.000 I have no clue.

01:58:50.000 But I've heard from paleontologists, you're going to call this one, that's impossible.

01:58:55.000 There were no birds up here with blue feathers.

01:58:58.000 Huh.

01:58:58.000 During the ice age.

01:59:02.000 So, I've always wondered that.

01:59:05.000 I see yellow in there, too, though.

01:59:06.000 Yeah, there's yellow in there for sure.

01:59:08.000 I've always wondered that in terms of, like, how they know...

01:59:12.000 Like, the fossil record is fascinating to me because it's not easy for things to become fossils.

01:59:17.000 It's very difficult.

01:59:18.000 It requires very specific circumstances.

01:59:21.000 And most things, the vast majority of things, never become fossils.

01:59:25.000 Mm-hmm.

01:59:27.000 Forrest Galante, see if you can find this video.

01:59:30.000 He thinks that dragons might have been a real thing.

01:59:33.000 I think he could be onto something there.

01:59:35.000 He says if you look at the same period of time throughout Europe and in Asia, they were all drawing the same thing.

01:59:44.000 And there's people battling the same thing.

01:59:47.000 And he said, if you had an animal that had very thin bones, because it could fly, the same as a bird does, and they died, and they weren't fossilized, there'd be no record of them.

01:59:59.000 There'd be nothing left.

02:00:01.000 And he thinks it's really possible that at one point in time that was a real animal.

02:00:06.000 Here, play this.

02:00:06.000 Giant scaly animal that could fly.

02:00:10.000 So when you break that down, you think about the fact that large birds had a hard time being fossilized because their bones are so porous, right?

02:00:17.000 So because bones, they have like hollowish bones, they break down very easily and they don't fossilize.

02:00:22.000 So the group that says this...

02:00:26.000 Basically, they're saying the evidence is the reason there's no fossils of dragons is because they had bird bones and they were actually very delicate animals.

02:00:33.000 But a handful of these small population of these giant flying lizards existed and basically encompassed all these different countries where they all depicted fighting dragons in their own way and they were all killed off by knights or whatever it is and then didn't fossilize.

02:00:53.000 So it's like the science is saying that if there were lizards big enough to fly around and eat people, they didn't have bones that could fossilize.

02:01:00.000 So it would be like an eagle.

02:01:01.000 Right.

02:01:01.000 And that's why all these human populations around the world have depictions of them, because they did actually exist.

02:01:10.000 Now, are there any...

02:01:12.000 Yeah.

02:01:13.000 Wow.

02:01:14.000 Well, it makes you think.

02:01:16.000 The fossil record is a really fascinating thing because they're getting their understanding of what existed and didn't exist based on what was fossilized.

02:01:27.000 Especially when you come into dinosaurs, they're always finding a new dinosaur.

02:01:30.000 I mean, it's a regular thing that they find a new species of dinosaur.

02:01:35.000 You know, every few years they find something.

02:01:38.000 The university curator, Pat Druckenmiller, that was on the video you watched, he's got six or seven dinosaurs that he's discovered himself.

02:01:48.000 And when you discover it, you get to name it.

02:01:51.000 So he's that kind of...

02:01:53.000 He's really legit.

02:01:56.000 And...

02:01:58.000 We've run into a problem with people that say they're paleontologists, but they're really just looking to get a collection going.

02:02:07.000 And we're not interested in assisting.

02:02:10.000 I would imagine that's a big thing with people.

02:02:12.000 And the other thing is the AMNH has poisoned the well for me when it comes to sending anything outside the state of Alaska.

02:02:21.000 And the way it works in America, you talked about in this documentary that in some countries, like in Canada...

02:02:28.000 If someone finds something, it becomes property of the country.

02:02:31.000 Right.

02:02:32.000 Crown property.

02:02:33.000 But in America, it's yours. 0.76

02:02:35.000 If you own the land, it's yours.

02:02:38.000 But if you find that, what I'm finding on the state mining or state mining claims or federal claims, they own it.

02:02:46.000 They're the landowner.

02:02:48.000 They don't always take possession of it, but if they want to, they'll come in and stop you from mining.

02:02:53.000 I can't imagine why someone hasn't reached out to you.

02:02:57.000 Why there isn't, like, Oh, they have.

02:03:01.000 You know, I told them, I'll only tell this story to Joe Rogan.

02:03:05.000 I've been leaning on this crutch now for three years. 0.73

02:03:08.000 You fucked it all up a little bit when you invited me on your show. 0.98

02:03:11.000 I had to have you on. 0.92

02:03:12.000 I was so fascinated by your page.

02:03:14.000 And the story itself is even more crazy than I thought it was.

02:03:18.000 I just thought, I didn't realize the scope of the collection.

02:03:22.000 Oh, it's huge.

02:03:25.000 It's going to get a lot bigger, but we will not allow any of our fossils outside the state of Alaska.

02:03:31.000 That's why we built that 5,000 square foot facility this fall.

02:03:35.000 You might have to build another one.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, it's already in the works.

02:03:40.000 So as you dig into these, what do you call them, muck hills?

02:03:45.000 As you dig into these, how much of the land have you excavated, have you extracted these things from?

02:03:55.000 Myself, personally?

02:03:57.000 Well, just like the whole company.

02:03:59.000 The company has probably mined out of the 10,000 acres that I currently own, probably mined out 3-4,000 acres.

02:04:09.000 And so out of those 3-4,000 acres, you've extracted all these bones.

02:04:13.000 But only out of 5 acres, you've extracted these bones.

02:04:15.000 5 acres, but the company didn't save bones.

02:04:17.000 They were all taken to AMNH in New York City.

02:04:20.000 So it's possible that you've only scratched the surface of what's at your place?

02:04:27.000 Not impossible.

02:04:28.000 That's what happens.

02:04:30.000 We have just barely touched it.

02:04:33.000 We're only talking an area Five acres.

02:04:37.000 Yeah.

02:04:39.000 It's a really nice giant piece of land with a house on it. 0.94

02:04:44.000 The fact that you've got this many animals from that relatively small piece of property is just fucking insane. 0.91

02:04:51.000 Well, and like I said, the next creek down is a mile long. 0.97

02:04:55.000 This is a gulch.

02:04:57.000 And the next creek down, you're finding stuff there too.

02:05:00.000 Yeah.

02:05:01.000 Jesus.

02:05:02.000 And we're able to use stuff these days that they didn't have back in the day, like drones.

02:05:07.000 You can fly up a creek and see if there's something laying on the top.

02:05:12.000 And that's just what's laying on the top.

02:05:14.000 Yeah, just sitting on top.

02:05:16.000 The other significant thing that we haven't talked about is the wood that, you know, is abundant in that area.

02:05:23.000 This was all grasslands back in the day.

02:05:26.000 These are all grazers. 0.73

02:05:27.000 The caribou, the bison, they're all grazers.

02:05:33.000 Carnivores are not grazers.

02:05:35.000 They're meat eaters. 0.98

02:05:36.000 For thousands of years they had a nice balance of, you know, everybody's happy.

02:05:42.000 But, you know, suddenly things changed.

02:05:45.000 It went from grasslands to forested lands because it became, it left the ice age and became uplands.

02:05:53.000 And uplands is where people like to build their houses because there's basically a little permafrost under it.

02:06:00.000 So a lot of the housing in Fairbanks is on the south slope of a hill.

02:06:04.000 And you sometimes see people that build on permafrost.

02:06:07.000 And if you do that, you're asking for trouble.

02:06:10.000 Because the ground's melting underneath your house.

02:06:14.000 And that's good if you're in the landfill business and you have a construction debris landfill because that's where they end up.

02:06:20.000 Because the houses start to sink.

02:06:22.000 Somebody has to go in, they tear them up, they take them out to us.

02:06:25.000 And we'll take care of it for you.

02:06:29.000 And the other significant thing we haven't talked about is we've only found the big stuff.

02:06:35.000 But that water is running down a drain.

02:06:38.000 And we take the excavator in there and we dig that drain out pretty regularly.

02:06:42.000 We stack all that material up.

02:06:45.000 I would wager, pretty much everything I own, that there are millions of microfossils in that material.

02:06:54.000 And millions.

02:06:56.000 We're talking claws, teeth, little tiny things that get caught in the current and go downstream.

02:07:04.000 We bail them out, we stack them up.

02:07:06.000 We're not going to spend the time with a hand screen and go through it, but someday somebody might.

02:07:12.000 Might be one of my grandkids' kids.

02:07:15.000 We're in this for the long haul.

02:07:17.000 You were saying the trees, the wood?

02:07:19.000 Yeah.

02:07:20.000 Sometimes you strip off the permafrost and there's trees underneath that stuff.

02:07:25.000 Whole trees?

02:07:26.000 Yeah.

02:07:27.000 We dug a permafrost tunnel in nearby, came in probably 40 feet, 30 feet below the permafrost.

02:07:38.000 There's trees growing in it.

02:07:40.000 There's old trees that were there.

02:07:43.000 And it kind of meshes with that theory that there used to be no moose up there, because they're not grazers.

02:07:51.000 You know, they're a different breed of animal altogether.

02:07:55.000 They eat willows, they eat trees, they eat that kind of stuff.

02:07:59.000 And not so much grass.

02:08:02.000 So there was a transition, and there was a big, well, there's no moose up here.

02:08:06.000 Well, in that film, you saw those guys discover three moose bones inside one of our collection areas.

02:08:14.000 Yeah.

02:08:15.000 That heretofore, they never thought existed up there during the Ice Age.

02:08:19.000 So that's significant.

02:08:21.000 Could have been right at the transition.

02:08:24.000 It's got a carbon date.

02:08:25.000 It costs 400 bucks a pop.

02:08:29.000 It just seems to me that this is so big and so important.

02:08:34.000 It's bizarre that it hasn't gotten more attention.

02:08:38.000 You know why that is.

02:08:42.000 I'm only gonna talk to Joe Rogan about it. 0.99

02:08:45.000 You think I'm bullshit. 0.99

02:08:47.000 I've used you as a crutch for years. 0.99

02:08:50.000 I appreciate that.

02:08:51.000 Well, I don't know.

02:08:52.000 You don't know?

02:08:55.000 I'm glad you appreciate it, but that explains why nobody knows what we're doing.

02:09:02.000 Wow.

02:09:03.000 But don't you think, like, this is important for science, important for the human race and our understanding of the past, and this is not as simple as just a pile of bones?

02:09:16.000 I mean, this is of great historical importance.

02:09:20.000 I agree with you 100%.

02:09:22.000 That's why we collect them.

02:09:25.000 What do you think is going to happen to all of them though?

02:09:27.000 Have you thought of it?

02:09:28.000 One of those guys that knows what he's talking about is going to have to come up and identify them.

02:09:34.000 They're going to have to figure it out.

02:09:35.000 It's not my job to figure it out.

02:09:37.000 I don't have time or the expertise. 0.99

02:09:39.000 They must shit their pants when they get up there. 0.71

02:09:41.000 If you've had guys come up there before and they see all the stuff you have. 0.98

02:09:44.000 Well, the couple that you saw on that video, one of the very few people I've ever allowed in there to look at it.

02:09:52.000 And the only reason that was is because the filmmaker was making a documentary.

02:09:56.000 When they got up there and they saw that, what was their initial response?

02:10:00.000 They couldn't believe it.

02:10:02.000 They still can't believe it.

02:10:05.000 The one guy offered to come up and categorize everything.

02:10:10.000 That was Dick Moe.

02:10:12.000 Yeah.

02:10:14.000 I said, well, we're not done yet.

02:10:18.000 We're going to keep working.

02:10:20.000 So it hasn't happened yet.

02:10:23.000 It seems like it should.

02:10:24.000 Oh, it should.

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:26.000 But it's going to cost somebody a lot of money to do it, and I'm not going to pay for it.

02:10:30.000 Right, of course.

02:10:31.000 Because this is just a hobby.

02:10:32.000 But then also you have to be careful of who you allow.

02:10:35.000 That's right.

02:10:38.000 And whether or not they get righteous and want to take it from you.

02:10:42.000 Right.

02:10:43.000 Which they like to do sometimes.

02:10:45.000 Yeah.

02:10:46.000 That's why we never find anything of archaeological value.

02:10:51.000 It's a whole different set of laws.

02:10:53.000 Have you ever found anything of archaeological value?

02:10:57.000 I mean, theoretically, hypothetically, if you did, if you found like weapon points or something like that.

02:11:05.000 I have a skinning tool that I posted.

02:11:09.000 Really?

02:11:09.000 Yeah.

02:11:10.000 If Jamie can find that.

02:11:12.000 How recent is that?

02:11:13.000 Do you post it?

02:11:15.000 I posted a lot of this stuff in the last few weeks, anticipating this, so it wouldn't be hard for him to find it.

02:11:23.000 That's not it.

02:11:24.000 That looks like a tooth.

02:11:25.000 Is that a tooth?

02:11:27.000 That's a tool?

02:11:27.000 Let's see here.

02:11:31.000 Within the last few weeks?

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:35.000 That's a scapula.

02:11:36.000 Yeah, with a point tip that apparently stuck in it.

02:11:42.000 Oh, there was a tip stuck in the scapula?

02:11:45.000 Yeah.

02:11:46.000 Click on that.

02:11:48.000 Oh, whoa.

02:11:50.000 Whoa.

02:11:53.000 So that is something, a spear or an arrow or something that went through that?

02:11:57.000 If you scroll a few more of those pictures, you'll see there's an elk, by the way, an elk skull that we found.

02:12:06.000 They didn't live up there, by the way.

02:12:10.000 Okay, there's a ground squirrel in my hand there.

02:12:13.000 That's a ground squirrel jaw, skull.

02:12:18.000 So where's this tool?

02:12:20.000 Let's see.

02:12:21.000 Is it up or down?

02:12:26.000 There's a bunch of stuff.

02:12:27.000 If you scroll down a little bit, Jamie, to the right side, what is that?

02:12:30.000 What is that?

02:12:31.000 Those are all a bunch of spear points and arrowheads that were found on my ground.

02:12:37.000 Whoa.

02:12:38.000 Were shipped to the AMNH and ended up in Wisconsin where they were lost for 15 years.

02:12:44.000 They found them now?

02:12:45.000 Somebody tracked them down.

02:12:49.000 Those are all from our ground.

02:12:51.000 So how old did they think those are?

02:12:56.000 Keep scrolling and I'll see if...

02:12:59.000 It's got a big gold scale sitting on a gold scale.

02:13:03.000 Is that your golden retriever?

02:13:04.000 Yeah, my daughter's golden retriever.

02:13:07.000 Go a little bit farther, I think.

02:13:09.000 No, that was a little thing I made.

02:13:15.000 Hey, you like that caribou handler?

02:13:17.000 Go up a little bit.

02:13:19.000 Where at?

02:13:20.000 Right there.

02:13:23.000 Someone carve a face into it?

02:13:26.000 Looks like a face.

02:13:28.000 Did you find it like that?

02:13:29.000 Yeah, laying on top of a tailing pile.

02:13:32.000 Ten miles below the boneyard.

02:13:34.000 So it looks like somebody...

02:13:35.000 Yeah, that totally looks like a face.

02:13:37.000 Like somebody was working on it.

02:13:39.000 Yep.

02:13:40.000 Wow.

02:13:42.000 Go back to the thing.

02:13:43.000 Let's try to find the tools.

02:13:44.000 So those arrowheads, what time do they date those things to?

02:13:50.000 I don't know if they ever did anything with them.

02:13:52.000 They just went from Fairbanks to New York City.

02:13:56.000 So nobody had any speculation or nothing?

02:13:59.000 There's another dire wolf skull on the right there.

02:14:02.000 Go down there, Jamie.

02:14:03.000 Click a black up, up, up, up.

02:14:05.000 That's a badger right there.

02:14:07.000 No, it's up a little bit further, Jamie.

02:14:09.000 Yeah, right there to the right.

02:14:10.000 That's it.

02:14:12.000 Whoa.

02:14:13.000 Look how dark it is.

02:14:15.000 Is that dark from the muck?

02:14:16.000 It's dark from being wet.

02:14:18.000 We had just found it.

02:14:19.000 Wow.

02:14:21.000 And so they didn't think dire wolves lived up there?

02:14:24.000 No.

02:14:25.000 So have they altered their history books now?

02:14:29.000 It seems like they're trying to a little bit.

02:14:33.000 I'm going to get on my phone and see if I can find that.

02:14:35.000 Look at that mushroom popping onto that ice.

02:14:38.000 Wow.

02:14:39.000 There's a lot of flora that we don't even know.

02:14:42.000 It grows there in the silt that comes down.

02:14:45.000 It just starts sprouting immediately.

02:14:48.000 And I'm thinking it's ice age stuff.

02:14:50.000 Whoa.

02:14:51.000 Ice age stuff that the seeds are in there and then once the warm air hits them.

02:14:55.000 Boom.

02:14:56.000 Wow.

02:14:57.000 And it's not found in any other areas around where I'm at.

02:15:00.000 I mean, it's right there at the boneyard.

02:15:03.000 You got to bring some botanists in there too then.

02:15:05.000 I don't want to.

02:15:08.000 Wow.

02:15:09.000 I just want to collect the stuff.

02:15:11.000 I get it.

02:15:12.000 And find somebody who's got as much interest in history as you do to go up and do it.

02:15:18.000 Oh, I'm sure there's people listening right now that are chomping at the bit.

02:15:22.000 Because it seems like you have one of the most unique places on earth.

02:15:25.000 I think so.

02:15:27.000 It's just so crazy that it's just five acre chunk.

02:15:32.000 What is significant about it?

02:15:34.000 What is it about that area?

02:15:36.000 Is there any speculation as to why they would all wind up there?

02:15:40.000 The next creek up, which is a major tributary, it's where Gold Daughters is at, is another creek.

02:15:47.000 And when they put the pipeline through there, they were digging down to bedrock and trying to find a firm base for their VSMs, which are the pipes that hold it up in the air.

02:15:57.000 Finding all kinds of tusks.

02:15:59.000 All kinds of tusks.

02:16:00.000 So it's just everywhere up there.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:03.000 Like the guy that built that pipe, Mammoth Mogul.

02:16:08.000 He also made a...

02:16:10.000 His name is Mammoth Mogul?

02:16:11.000 His Instagram is Mammoth Mogul.

02:16:13.000 Put him Mammoth Mogul.

02:16:14.000 Mammoth underscore Mogul. 0.86

02:16:17.000 I think that's what he has.

02:16:19.000 It's M-O-G-A-L or M-O-G-U-L. I'm not sure. 1.00

02:16:23.000 And so...

02:16:25.000 But they don't know why.

02:16:27.000 No one has come to you and said, hey, John, I think this is why.

02:16:31.000 Yeah, I get all kinds of people that think that's why.

02:16:34.000 But what do they think?

02:16:35.000 Why do they think all those animals are in this one spot?

02:16:37.000 They don't have a clue.

02:16:39.000 Even the people in that film who are experts have no idea.

02:16:45.000 And there's no place that's remotely similar to this in terms of the amount of stuff that they've pulled out of one area?

02:16:51.000 If there is, they're not talking about it.

02:16:56.000 Let's say they're on state property, state claim.

02:16:58.000 They can be shut down, like right now.

02:17:01.000 So they would probably keep their mouth shut and just keep digging?

02:17:04.000 I would think so.

02:17:05.000 This is patented land that we own from the surface to the center of the planet.

02:17:11.000 It's the highest bundle of property rights you can acquire.

02:17:17.000 We own it.

02:17:18.000 It's not playing Mother May I with the state or the feds.

02:17:22.000 If you find it on native lands, it's theirs. 0.98

02:17:25.000 You're not even allowed to touch it.

02:17:29.000 If you see a tusk in a creek, this actually happened.

02:17:33.000 It was on native corporation land.

02:17:35.000 Guy picked the tusk up, put it in his airplane, lost his airplane.

02:17:39.000 Wow.

02:17:40.000 It got confiscated.

02:17:42.000 What do those folks do with it when they find them on native land?

02:17:47.000 Don't know.

02:17:49.000 It seems like this very...

02:17:51.000 They're allowed to collect it.

02:17:52.000 They're allowed to do that.

02:17:54.000 But this whole thing seems like this very unusual moment that needs to be capitalized on.

02:18:01.000 This crazy spot, like what you've done and even what you're doing.

02:18:06.000 You're just continually extracting history.

02:18:12.000 It just seems so important.

02:18:13.000 It is. 1.00

02:18:14.000 It's just so crazy that it's a guy who's a miner who just happened to find that shit. 0.99

02:18:18.000 Just like, put it over there. 1.00

02:18:21.000 Well, here's the downside of being crazy.

02:18:25.000 Because we have a lot of good mining ground.

02:18:29.000 Here it is, Mammoth Mogul. 1.00

02:18:31.000 Oh, so he makes a lot of cool shit. 1.00

02:18:33.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:18:35.000 Look at all this stuff. 1.00

02:18:37.000 Let's go to that tusk that he has, Jamie.

02:18:38.000 Look at that, man.

02:18:40.000 That's crazy.

02:18:41.000 I tell people, if you ever have a chance to acquire one of his carvings, just do it.

02:18:45.000 You can thank me later.

02:18:47.000 What is the...

02:18:48.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:18:50.000 Wow.

02:18:51.000 150 pound blue tusk.

02:18:55.000 That's beautiful.

02:18:56.000 For sale, $675,000.

02:18:59.000 Wow.

02:19:02.000 Somebody's gonna buy that.

02:19:03.000 Oh yeah. 1.00

02:19:04.000 Some crazy rich fuck. 1.00

02:19:07.000 What is that? 1.00

02:19:08.000 Go down there to that head thing to the left of the hat.

02:19:13.000 I think that's the one I have.

02:19:14.000 Oh, wow.

02:19:15.000 It's a mammoth carved into a piece of mammoth.

02:19:19.000 Yeah, I think that's one of mine now.

02:19:21.000 Wow.

02:19:22.000 If he puts it up on his site and I see it before somebody buys it, I buy it.

02:19:27.000 Really?

02:19:27.000 Yeah.

02:19:28.000 He made that pipe there out of a mammoth tooth.

02:19:32.000 Well, he's going to get sold out now.

02:19:35.000 You don't?

02:19:36.000 No.

02:19:36.000 Tell him to send it to you before he posts it.

02:19:39.000 I have talked to him.

02:19:41.000 What is that?

02:19:41.000 I have no idea what that is.

02:19:44.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:19:47.000 Now you haven't found any dinosaurs.

02:19:49.000 No, not that I know of.

02:19:51.000 What happens if you find dinosaurs?

02:19:52.000 The same deal?

02:19:53.000 I don't know.

02:19:54.000 I think the dinosaurs mostly are up on the North Slope.

02:19:58.000 You know, that's where they've been finding them.

02:20:00.000 They're pretty secretive about where to.

02:20:03.000 Do you ever stop and think, like, how crazy it is that it's you?

02:20:06.000 That you are the guy who has found this stuff?

02:20:10.000 You're the guy who owns this piece of property.

02:20:11.000 You're the guy who stumbled upon one of the greatest historical sites in all of paleontology?

02:20:19.000 I don't know if we have that, but...

02:20:22.000 Seems like it.

02:20:23.000 Going back to the crazy part of it, I've got 10,000 acres of really good mining property, and I haven't been mining that little piece, even though I know there's a lot of gold there because we have the drill logs.

02:20:36.000 And right below it, the miner took out 3,000 ounces in about a 4-acre piece of land. 0.99

02:20:41.000 So it kind of goes up, and for years I had a guy working with me going, Fuck these bones. 0.99

02:20:47.000 Let's just go mining. 0.98

02:20:48.000 What are you doing?

02:20:50.000 What are you doing to other people? 1.00

02:20:51.000 That guy's a fucking nutter, man. 1.00

02:20:53.000 He's out there all day just picking up bones. 1.00

02:20:56.000 It's not true.

02:20:57.000 We turn the giant on, the auto giant, and we just let it run and we'll come back in a couple hours and see what we found.

02:21:04.000 And Dick Mole, when he was up there, he was like this.

02:21:07.000 He was on a private little conversation.

02:21:10.000 He says, John, tell me, do you have your bones and your collection insured?

02:21:16.000 I said, excuse me.

02:21:17.000 He says, do you have your collection insured?

02:21:20.000 I said, what do you mean do I have my collection insured?

02:21:23.000 He says, well, it's valuable.

02:21:24.000 Do you have it insured?

02:21:25.000 I said, no, I never even thought about it.

02:21:28.000 Well, you should think about it.

02:21:29.000 I said, Dick, okay, help me out here.

02:21:32.000 What should I insure it for?

02:21:35.000 If I was you, I'd insure it for $450 million.

02:21:40.000 He says, it's not worth that, though.

02:21:42.000 It's only worth $150 million, but you always insure heavy.

02:21:46.000 I said, are you serious?

02:21:48.000 He goes, yeah.

02:21:50.000 Now, after that conversation, I got back in my truck.

02:21:55.000 I went, alright. 0.99

02:21:57.000 I was fucking crazy. 1.00

02:21:59.000 You think I'm crazy? 1.00

02:22:00.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:22:01.000 I'm crazy. 1.00

02:22:03.000 But I felt vindicated.

02:22:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:22:06.000 Oh, for sure.

02:22:06.000 For somebody to even think it's even close to something like that.

02:22:10.000 And because...

02:22:12.000 Like I said, it's just a hobby.

02:22:13.000 I'm trying to put myself in your shoes.

02:22:15.000 Okay.

02:22:15.000 I'm trying to imagine if I was you and I stumbled across this, if I would do anything different.

02:22:19.000 No, you wouldn't.

02:22:20.000 I don't think I would. 1.00

02:22:20.000 No, you'd do the same fucking thing I'm doing. 1.00

02:22:23.000 I probably wouldn't talk about it on the podcast, though. 0.99

02:22:25.000 No, you'd just talk to yourself.

02:22:28.000 I'd tell Jamie.

02:22:29.000 You'd just be talking to yourself. 0.99

02:22:30.000 I would put our phones in a fucking Ziploc bag and put them in a safe and have a conversation with them. 0.99

02:22:35.000 Here's you out there. 0.99

02:22:39.000 It's just, like, unedited footage on YouTube.

02:22:42.000 Just a bunch of stuff.

02:22:43.000 Yeah, my son, Kenzie, did a lot of filming back in the early days.

02:22:47.000 I do love the fact that you document all this stuff, and you do put it online.

02:22:50.000 I mean, I think that's pretty fucking cool. 0.92

02:22:52.000 And there's a piece of mammoth ivory and heads and bones and shit. 0.99

02:22:57.000 Is that a day's collection? 0.98

02:22:58.000 Just all stuff you caught in a day?

02:23:01.000 Probably a couple days.

02:23:03.000 So amazing, man.

02:23:05.000 I mean, I know you realize how fortunate you are, but I mean, amongst all the people that have ever lived, how many people have ever found a spot like this? 0.98

02:23:17.000 It's fucking bunk. 0.94

02:23:18.000 It's hard for me to imagine why they're all there. 0.99

02:23:21.000 I'm trying to look on the map.

02:23:24.000 Where?

02:23:26.000 Is this it, the area?

02:23:27.000 Yes, sir.

02:23:28.000 Yeah?

02:23:28.000 Okay.

02:23:30.000 Based on, I'm like, we've done this stuff with Graham and Randall, you know, so like, looking at the map, it seems like there was a flood.

02:23:36.000 Go up, see where it says Gulfstream?

02:23:38.000 Yeah, right here.

02:23:39.000 Zoom in on that.

02:23:42.000 See where it says Gold Reg 8?

02:23:43.000 Yep.

02:23:44.000 Now go to the left of that.

02:23:45.000 See that body of water right there?

02:23:48.000 Down.

02:23:48.000 No, no, no.

02:23:48.000 Oh, this like right here?

02:23:49.000 Right.

02:23:50.000 Boom.

02:23:51.000 And now go right to where it says Calder Creek.

02:23:54.000 Come up this way or up the other way.

02:23:56.000 The other down.

02:23:58.000 Right there.

02:23:59.000 Oh, I see right here.

02:24:00.000 All right.

02:24:00.000 Now go where it meets.

02:24:03.000 Up.

02:24:04.000 No.

02:24:04.000 Go up.

02:24:05.000 Upwards towards the pond.

02:24:06.000 Right there.

02:24:07.000 That's it.

02:24:08.000 Right there.

02:24:11.000 So zoom out and you get this sort of topological view of it.

02:24:16.000 But the thing is, it's like, so you think that they died and then floods might have carried them there.

02:24:23.000 So if it was like a mass extinction.

02:24:25.000 Do you see that big body of earth moving stuff up there?

02:24:31.000 Go to the right of Fox?

02:24:34.000 Go up a little bit.

02:24:36.000 I'm trying to move it right.

02:24:37.000 Right to the left there.

02:24:39.000 Rear?

02:24:40.000 No, to the right now.

02:24:42.000 Oh, I see Fox there.

02:24:43.000 Go to the right of that.

02:24:44.000 You see that right there.

02:24:47.000 That's the Fort Knox mine.

02:24:49.000 Oh, God, how gross is that?

02:24:51.000 Largest open pit mine in North America.

02:24:52.000 Look how big it is.

02:24:53.000 Now, if you go down Fairbanks Creek from there, you'll see off to the right, go up a little bit now.

02:25:06.000 Keep going right.

02:25:07.000 A little bit more.

02:25:08.000 Don't stop.

02:25:09.000 Just go straight up to the left.

02:25:14.000 Up more and go to the left.

02:25:17.000 Right there.

02:25:19.000 Right to the left there.

02:25:21.000 Boom.

02:25:22.000 Zoom in on that.

02:25:24.000 You're looking at my mouse pointer, I see.

02:25:27.000 What's that?

02:25:28.000 Now you go, you see that, that's a big pond.

02:25:30.000 Now over here on the stop, to the left of that, over there on the side, you see that dredge sitting there.

02:25:38.000 We call that Jordy's Dredge.

02:25:40.000 That's named after my daughter Jordan.

02:25:43.000 And that's where we took the family picnicking.

02:25:46.000 And for years, I put it on the National Register because I like to restore old stuff.

02:25:53.000 Something to do.

02:25:56.000 It's just so fascinating when you look at the sheer scope of the land out there, and you think of this one five-acre patch that you've pulled all these bones from, and then you imagine how much more is out there.

02:26:13.000 How much more hasn't been excavated?

02:26:16.000 How much more of that land has a similar situation going on in it?

02:26:20.000 The only land there that's been excavated is land that has gold on it.

02:26:26.000 There's no point in excavating the rest of it.

02:26:28.000 But if someone found a similar sort of scenario and they started blowing water into the mountainside, they might be able to pull things out of there, too.

02:26:38.000 It might be everywhere up there.

02:26:39.000 Well, if it's state or federal land, which most all the property is, you're not going to get a permit to do that.

02:26:47.000 But it feels like paleontologists could.

02:26:51.000 No.

02:26:52.000 No?

02:26:54.000 Even federal agencies that try to do deals with the feds have problems with the feds permitting process.

02:27:02.000 Even scientists?

02:27:04.000 Yeah.

02:27:05.000 It just seems like it's so important.

02:27:08.000 Yeah.

02:27:11.000 There's been some really incredible things that our company has been participating in because we do have a lot of private property.

02:27:20.000 We rezoned Chattaneca, which is one of the other areas up there that's one of the richest creeks in the state, is Cleary Creek.

02:27:28.000 And that's leased out to a gold miner out of the Yukon.

02:27:33.000 But we rezoned that to a private rocket range several years ago.

02:27:39.000 Rocket Range?

02:27:40.000 Yes, sir.

02:27:42.000 You're running out to Elon?

02:27:44.000 It's right next to Poker Flats Rocket Range, which is a university rocket range.

02:27:48.000 But theirs is all on wetlands, permafrost.

02:27:52.000 And mine's all uplands.

02:27:54.000 So, Elon, if you're listening, call me.

02:27:59.000 Because I know he does listen to you.

02:28:01.000 I can write him a permit to launch a rocket on a cocktail napkin.

02:28:08.000 Only people he's have to talk to after that is FAA. Well, they do it all down here.

02:28:12.000 Yeah, they do.

02:28:13.000 But someday they might want to start doing it out of Alaska because of its location to the high Arctic.

02:28:21.000 And he sent a lot of his satellites are going up around the high Arctic to interconnect with that area that nobody else has done.

02:28:32.000 Now, what would someone do if they were building something like that and they stumbled upon a mammoth bone?

02:28:37.000 What would I do?

02:28:38.000 Yeah.

02:28:39.000 I'd put it in my truck.

02:28:41.000 Wouldn't they keep digging?

02:28:43.000 Well, I'd get the next one too.

02:28:44.000 Do you feel like you almost have like a bounty of riches with this stuff where it's like so much that you're not even appreciating it for what it is?

02:28:54.000 Is that possible?

02:28:55.000 Because you're just so accustomed to discovering it?

02:28:58.000 No, it's just that...

02:29:00.000 I don't need the money.

02:29:01.000 Not even money.

02:29:04.000 I don't even mean in terms of money.

02:29:05.000 I mean in terms of like how incredible it is.

02:29:08.000 It is absolutely incredible.

02:29:10.000 And I take a long view of history. 0.98

02:29:13.000 The shit that we're doing right now, I won't be around to see happen. 0.98

02:29:17.000 But it's gonna happen. 0.99

02:29:19.000 It took us 15 years just to collect what we got.

02:29:23.000 And you've only scratched the surface.

02:29:25.000 Just a little bit.

02:29:26.000 Not only that, but that area to the next creek down, the entire area from where we're at down to the next creek down is going to have incredible amounts too.

02:29:42.000 How much money have you spent doing this? 0.89

02:29:45.000 Mona, I haven't spent a shit, I haven't spent anything. 0.97

02:29:48.000 Talking to my wife there, because she thinks it's my hobby. 0.90

02:29:52.000 But if someone else did it...

02:29:54.000 It cost them, because you see the tools we use.

02:29:56.000 Yeah.

02:29:57.000 You know, D9. And 15 years of doing this. 0.90

02:29:59.000 Yeah.

02:30:00.000 Fuel.

02:30:00.000 Labor, fuel, machines.

02:30:02.000 Yeah.

02:30:04.000 It's just so crazy that it's like a homegrown operation. 0.99

02:30:07.000 It's just a small, just a little outfit.

02:30:10.000 But is there anything like this anywhere else in the world that you're aware of?

02:30:13.000 No.

02:30:16.000 Imagine if you weren't there.

02:30:18.000 That's what's so crazy to me.

02:30:19.000 If you weren't there, if you didn't discover dire wolf skulls, saber-toothed tiger skulls, elk skulls, moose skulls, If you didn't discover all these animals, they wouldn't even think those animals were there.

02:30:33.000 They would confidently state those animals did not exist during that time in that area.

02:30:39.000 And they continue to say that.

02:30:40.000 But they're taking some minor steps to go, well, the dire wolves actually did live up there.

02:30:49.000 Now they're saying that.

02:30:50.000 Yeah, now they're saying that.

02:30:51.000 Well, duh.

02:30:52.000 I got half a dozen of them sitting on my bookshelf.

02:30:54.000 Half a dozen dire wolf skulls on your bookshelf?

02:30:58.000 Yes, sir.

02:30:59.000 How big is a dire wolf skull?

02:31:01.000 About yea long. 1.00

02:31:02.000 Damn. 0.99

02:31:03.000 That's got to be worth a lot of money. 0.99

02:31:05.000 Probably.

02:31:05.000 I would imagine.

02:31:07.000 I don't know.

02:31:07.000 If someone bought a dire wolf skull online, Christie's at an auction or something like that?

02:31:13.000 You could probably find people that are selling them.

02:31:15.000 I guarantee.

02:31:16.000 See if you can find a dire wolf skull for sale.

02:31:19.000 The other thing I was talking about, the skinning knife that we found.

02:31:22.000 I have friends that are hard rock geologists.

02:31:25.000 They're some of the best on the planet that know where minerals are in Alaska, know where the valuable rocks are of all kinds of metals.

02:31:33.000 And the skinning knife I took to a fella, probably one of the best hard rock geologists that I know.

02:31:39.000 Well, in fact, he is.

02:31:41.000 And I said, Kurt, where'd this come from?

02:31:44.000 What kind of rock is this?

02:31:47.000 And he looked at it, he goes...

02:31:50.000 It's not from Alaska.

02:31:52.000 That rock is not from Alaska.

02:31:55.000 I said, where is that type of rock found?

02:31:58.000 He goes, Eastern Europe. 0.56

02:32:01.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:32:02.000 Now, Bulgaria, Romania, one of those areas.

02:32:08.000 That's what he said.

02:32:10.000 So someone, some ancient historical person came from Bulgaria or Eastern Europe with stone tools and made their way to your property.

02:32:22.000 And not only that, but let's say you're going to take a long trip.

02:32:26.000 You're going to pack more than one pair of underwear.

02:32:30.000 So let's take some of this rock with us.

02:32:32.000 We're never going to know when we might need to make some more flint tools, arrowheads, spear tips.

02:32:37.000 Probably loaded up a sled full of that kind of rock.

02:32:41.000 Drog it all the way across Europe. 0.99

02:32:44.000 Thousands of miles.

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 Went across the Bering Land Bridge.

02:32:49.000 And this promontory where this was found is an incredible story, because if what I hadn't done prior to that didn't happen, I would have never found it.

02:33:00.000 And that was, there's a letter I posted from a brigadier general that the last line is really good.

02:33:07.000 Your contribution to the safety of America cannot be overestimated.

02:33:13.000 Pull that letter up.

02:33:15.000 How are you contributing to the safety of America?

02:33:22.000 I got a call one day from a friend who owns a bunkhouse up on the Cleary Summit.

02:33:30.000 He goes, John, I got some guys up here who'd like to talk to you.

02:33:33.000 I said, okay, I'll be right up.

02:33:37.000 He says, I'll let them explain it.

02:33:38.000 So I get up there and I go into his bunkhouse, which is big.

02:33:43.000 And on the floor is all kinds of technology, cables, machinery, boxes, travel, kind of high-tech stuff.

02:33:53.000 And about 15 guys milling around in there working.

02:33:57.000 I met the guy in charge.

02:33:59.000 I go, what's up?

02:33:59.000 He says, I understand it.

02:34:01.000 You have a lot of land.

02:34:03.000 He says, I'm up here doing a test for the Air Force, and our permit expired before we were able to get moving.

02:34:13.000 And we need a place to do this experiment.

02:34:16.000 I said, what's the experiment?

02:34:18.000 He goes, you see all these guys?

02:34:21.000 I go, yeah.

02:34:22.000 He goes, those are acoustic engineers.

02:34:25.000 Now, Joe...

02:34:27.000 I've never even seen an acoustic engineer before.

02:34:30.000 Suddenly I got 15 of them in the same room.

02:34:33.000 I said, what are we studying?

02:34:36.000 Well, we're trying to improve the bunker buster.

02:34:41.000 I said, what's the problem with the bunker buster?

02:34:43.000 It's not working right.

02:34:45.000 It's not going deep enough in Afghanistan. 0.82

02:34:47.000 We want it to penetrate the earth farther.

02:34:50.000 So we're going to lay out a bunch of grids.

02:34:52.000 We're going to do some explosions.

02:34:53.000 We're going to measure the Sound waves or whatever they do.

02:34:58.000 But we got no place to do it now and we got everybody here.

02:35:01.000 Steve here is saying that you can probably accommodate us.

02:35:05.000 And I said, sure I can.

02:35:08.000 I got a lot of land.

02:35:10.000 I said, but why are you testing it in Alaska?

02:35:15.000 Why aren't you testing it in Utah or the lower 48 someplace?

02:35:19.000 What do you need to come up here for?

02:35:21.000 Well, we want to do it in permafrost.

02:35:24.000 I said, Afghanistan doesn't have permafrost.

02:35:28.000 Not that I'm aware of, especially for a bunker buster. 1.00

02:35:34.000 I said, this don't sound right to me.

02:35:37.000 He goes, step outside.

02:35:40.000 So we go outside. 0.99

02:35:41.000 I said, what the fuck are we doing here? 0.99

02:35:46.000 He goes, North Korea is buying atomic weapons from Russia. 0.99

02:35:52.000 Those atomic weapons are being experimented with and tested in permafrost.

02:36:00.000 We're going to set up similar explosions scaled down to find out what size weapons North Korea is buying.

02:36:09.000 I said, that makes a lot of sense, actually. 0.97

02:36:12.000 Makes a lot more sense than that bunker buster bullshit. 0.99

02:36:17.000 He said, the problem, we don't have a place to do it. 0.96

02:36:20.000 I said, I'll tell you what we'll do.

02:36:22.000 I will let you go on any of the property I own, thousands of acres of permafrost.

02:36:26.000 You do your testing.

02:36:29.000 And he goes, well, what do you want for that?

02:36:34.000 I want a letter from a high-up guy in the Air Force, thanking me for my contributions to the safety of America.

02:36:43.000 There it is.

02:36:44.000 What does it say on the top, Jamie?

02:36:47.000 The Department of the Air Force, Brigadier General John Mark Jouas, I want to personally thank you for your cooperation and assistance during a recent Air Force-funded research project conducted north of Fairbanks,

02:37:04.000 Alaska.

02:37:04.000 The data from this field experiment conducted on your land will be critically important to improving the United States capability to monitor nuclear weapons development around the world.

02:37:19.000 This experiment would not have been possible.

02:37:22.000 On behalf of the United States Air Force, I express our most sincere appreciation to you.

02:37:27.000 Your contribution to the national security of the United States of America cannot be overestimated.

02:37:34.000 Wow.

02:37:36.000 No, there's the flint tool I was telling you about.

02:37:39.000 Oh, that's it.

02:37:40.000 It's about three inches by two and a half inches with a little area where you can see a thumb or a finger to hold on to it.

02:37:48.000 Right there.

02:37:49.000 And that rock is not host in Alaska, according to my geologist buddy.

02:37:54.000 Did they believe that people had traveled through Alaska from Eastern Europe?

02:37:59.000 Yeah.

02:38:00.000 So they knew that people had done that in the past?

02:38:02.000 Yeah.

02:38:02.000 What if you find a dude?

02:38:04.000 What's the rules on that? 0.61

02:38:06.000 Like, what if you're hosing shit down and you find a dude?

02:38:12.000 Have you found a dude? 0.97

02:38:14.000 If I did, I would never admit it.

02:38:16.000 You found a dude.

02:38:17.000 You got a lot more dudes on your desk here. 0.96

02:38:19.000 These are not real.

02:38:20.000 This is from my friend Jack of the Dust.

02:38:22.000 Those are nice.

02:38:22.000 Yeah, they're pretty cool.

02:38:23.000 This is like a resin.

02:38:25.000 So you feel that?

02:38:26.000 It's not a real skull.

02:38:27.000 That's why they're all exactly the same.

02:38:29.000 I just always loved those Day of the Dead skulls.

02:38:32.000 Pretty dope, right?

02:38:33.000 That's cool, man. 1.00

02:38:35.000 Yeah, he's killer. 1.00

02:38:35.000 He makes a bunch of cool shit. 1.00

02:38:36.000 Goddamn, that's nice. 1.00

02:38:38.000 That guy's made me a few cool pieces. 0.93

02:38:40.000 I love art, you know?

02:38:42.000 Let me finish up on that Air Force thing.

02:38:44.000 Yeah, please do.

02:38:44.000 So I told the...

02:38:45.000 I think you're skirting around the dude part, huh?

02:38:48.000 A little bit?

02:38:49.000 A little bit.

02:38:52.000 You'd have to stare at my logo pretty carefully.

02:38:55.000 Okay, yeah.

02:38:57.000 Okay, we'll talk later.

02:38:58.000 Shut the mics off! 1.00

02:39:01.000 Who shut the mics off later? 0.79

02:39:04.000 Yeah, the hat.

02:39:06.000 Check out the logo.

02:39:08.000 Yeah, you got a much better logo copy on yours.

02:39:13.000 If you stare at that logo, you'll figure it out.

02:39:16.000 Yeah, I think I get a sense of it already.

02:39:23.000 Are there rules if you find a dude?

02:39:26.000 It's archaeology is different they can shut the fuck down right now oh yeah that's why a building project and you know you stumble across something yeah New York City doesn't matter LA you're done you're done until there's been a proper excavation and documentation what if you find a whole village oh boy oh boy so you've already found tools you found evidence of humans We don't have to talk any further

02:39:56.000 about this.

02:39:58.000 Look at the logo on your hat.

02:39:59.000 I get the logo.

02:40:00.000 I get it.

02:40:01.000 I get it.

02:40:03.000 Wow.

02:40:04.000 That's wild.

02:40:06.000 Well, let me tell you where that flinting tool was found.

02:40:10.000 It was a promontory across from us, about a mile away, on top of a hill.

02:40:16.000 It had a commanding view of the entire valley.

02:40:20.000 I think a village lived up here.

02:40:22.000 Now get back to the acoustic engineers.

02:40:24.000 That's one of the spots where they decided to lay out their stuff and have an explosion.

02:40:32.000 And in the process of exploding that, a big tree fell over.

02:40:38.000 And underneath the root ball was that skinning knife.

02:40:41.000 Whoa.

02:40:42.000 So...

02:40:45.000 That was, if I had not allowed them to do that, and I told them, you can do this experiment.

02:40:50.000 I want a nice letter, and if I don't get that letter, I'm going to send you a BFI. He goes, what's that?

02:40:58.000 I said, a big fucking invoice. 0.99

02:41:00.000 He says, I'll get you a letter. 0.99

02:41:02.000 So I said, okay.

02:41:03.000 You got that letter framed?

02:41:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:07.000 No, I got that letter framed.

02:41:09.000 I'm proud of that letter.

02:41:10.000 You should be.

02:41:11.000 I am.

02:41:12.000 But you know what I'm really proud of?

02:41:14.000 The fact that he got a hold of me a couple years later and goes, remember what I told you about the Bunker Buster stuff?

02:41:20.000 I go, yeah.

02:41:22.000 He goes, we actually did use some of that data and we improved it.

02:41:26.000 You got credit for 14 kills.

02:41:28.000 Jesus.

02:41:29.000 I said, okay.

02:41:32.000 I'm going to go ahead and have dinner now.

02:41:34.000 Pfft.

02:41:35.000 What do you say to that?

02:41:36.000 Hey, man.

02:41:38.000 Yeah.

02:41:39.000 We're fighting a war.

02:41:40.000 Yeah.

02:41:40.000 And we're still fighting a war.

02:41:43.000 And the nuclear stuff that they're talking about, the sabers are rattling right now.

02:41:48.000 Oh boy, this and that.

02:41:49.000 Yeah.

02:41:51.000 And we had a governor in Alaska named Walter Hickel.

02:41:55.000 He was tapped by Nixon to be his Interior Secretary, you know, Department of the Interior, in charge of all federal lands.

02:42:05.000 And he went into Nixon one time, he says, this Vietnam War is all wrong. 0.99

02:42:09.000 You gotta get the fuck out of there. 0.99

02:42:12.000 Nixon goes, you're fired. 1.00

02:42:15.000 Mr. Hickel went back to Alaska.

02:42:18.000 He's one of those guys.

02:42:19.000 He says, I don't believe in wars.

02:42:21.000 I believe in big projects.

02:42:23.000 When the pipeline people came along, he says, we got oil on the North Slope.

02:42:28.000 Build a road up there, or I'll build a road up there.

02:42:31.000 If I build the road up there, we're going to take the oil.

02:42:34.000 It's on state land.

02:42:36.000 So they built the road, and they drilled wells, and they produce 12% of America's energy right now, to this day.

02:42:44.000 That's the last major project this country's ever had, was that pipeline.

02:42:49.000 But he had another pipeline he wanted to build, a 30-foot diameter pipe from southeast Alaska to California for water.

02:43:00.000 You could build one of those for not a whole lot of money, just a big garden hose.

02:43:04.000 Not having to worry about oil spills or you got a leak, you got water going into the Pacific Ocean.

02:43:11.000 Those kind of projects.

02:43:13.000 That's kind of what I think like nowadays.

02:43:16.000 What are we doing?

02:43:17.000 Sending $45 billion, another $45 billion to Ukraine?

02:43:22.000 Build that garden hose. 0.91

02:43:24.000 Go do something worthwhile for our country.

02:43:29.000 Yeah, but no.

02:43:31.000 The people we got, I don't want to start.

02:43:35.000 Yeah, there's a lot of corruption, a lot of chaos, a lot of mismanagement.

02:43:40.000 I think the mismanagement's the worst.

02:43:42.000 Yeah.

02:43:43.000 I like to run an efficient business.

02:43:45.000 There's not a lot of us.

02:43:47.000 We're the largest private landowners in the state, and we don't have a lot of We don't deal with the bureaucracy.

02:43:57.000 We are fully permanent for what we do, and we just go about doing what we do.

02:44:03.000 We try to do it good.

02:44:06.000 And I'm sure in your travels and your trials and tribulations, you've run into the same thing I run into, which is sometimes a brick wall.

02:44:18.000 You go, hmm, how am I going to get around that brick wall?

02:44:21.000 How am I going to go over it, around it, under it?

02:44:22.000 I'm going to get there.

02:44:23.000 I'm going to get the other side of that wall. 1.00

02:44:26.000 But sometimes you go up against idiots. 1.00

02:44:31.000 Let's send $45 billion to Ukraine. 1.00

02:44:35.000 That'll make it $100 billion.

02:44:37.000 We've got some real problems.

02:44:38.000 You guys here in Texas got a little bit of a problem down on the southern border, I think.

02:44:44.000 It's a pretty big deal.

02:44:45.000 It is a big deal.

02:44:46.000 Do you see there's this Title 42?

02:44:50.000 What is exactly the regulation behind Title 42?

02:44:54.000 But there was a big thing in the news about all the people that are camped out waiting for this Title 42 thing to be overturned so they can make their way into the United States.

02:45:05.000 It's insane how many people it is.

02:45:23.000 It would stop this.

02:45:24.000 Yeah, but why don't we?

02:45:27.000 Makes too much sense.

02:45:30.000 All of it is crazy.

02:45:31.000 Title 42 border rules confound Washington and migrants alike.

02:45:36.000 So what is Title 42 exactly?

02:45:40.000 Because I've heard Governor Abbott talk about it.

02:45:43.000 The drawn-out saga of Title 42, the set of emergency powers that allows border officials to quietly turn away migrants, Has been chaotic at the US-Mexico border.

02:45:54.000 Quickly, quickly turn away migrants. 1.00

02:45:57.000 In Washington, it hasn't unfolded much better.

02:45:59.000 The Supreme Court is weighing whether to keep the powers in place following the months of legal battles brought on by Republican We're good to go.

02:46:28.000 And a bipartisan immigration bill in Congress has been buried just as Republicans are set to take control of the House.

02:46:35.000 In short, America is right back where it has been.

02:46:38.000 A divided nation is unable to agree on what a long-term fix to the immigration system should look like.

02:46:44.000 Basic questions, for example, should more immigrants be allowed in or fewer, are unanswered.

02:46:51.000 Meantime, the asylum system continues to strain under increasing numbers of migrants.

02:46:57.000 So people can just kind of show up and say they're seeking asylum, and they just let them go.

02:47:03.000 And so, I mean, I don't know what kind of background checks they're doing. 0.89

02:47:07.000 I don't know if they know if these people are coming from who knows fucking where. 0.75

02:47:13.000 And I don't blame them for wanting them to come here. 0.94

02:47:15.000 I don't blame them either.

02:47:16.000 You know, we've got a divided country right now.

02:47:19.000 Yeah.

02:47:19.000 You've got half the people that go to work every day and pay their taxes and do what they think they're supposed to do, and then you've got the other half that are making $100,000 a year doing nothing but collecting the largesse of the other half that's providing it.

02:47:34.000 And then when you print $10 trillion and you throw it on top of that, now you're starting to see why a pipeline was supposed to cost $800 million, cost $9 billion.

02:47:44.000 There's no management.

02:47:46.000 It's just run amok. 0.99

02:47:48.000 And the kind of crap that they put into that latest spending thing for Ukraine is unreal. 0.99

02:47:53.000 The budget coming down the pike, $1.7 trillion. 0.99

02:47:58.000 The taxpayers don't have a prayer.

02:48:01.000 What are we doing?

02:48:02.000 What are we doing doing this for?

02:48:05.000 I pay my taxes.

02:48:06.000 I don't like it.

02:48:07.000 I pay big property taxes.

02:48:11.000 Because I had a lot of property, but I pay them.

02:48:14.000 Well, then the people that collect my property taxes turn around and give it away to places I would never want to see my money go to.

02:48:24.000 But they do it, because that's what they do.

02:48:27.000 And it's almost a thing now that you can't question.

02:48:31.000 You know, you can't question whether or not this is the right thing to do.

02:48:35.000 Yeah.

02:48:36.000 No, you get canceled.

02:48:38.000 Yeah, it's all very strange.

02:48:40.000 As long as you've been alive, is this the strangest time you feel in terms of politics?

02:48:47.000 I think it is.

02:48:48.000 I think now it's gone beyond my ability to understand what's really supposed to be happening and what's going down here.

02:48:55.000 You know, even our neighbors to the north, Canada is different than it used to be.

02:49:00.000 Have you been in Canada?

02:49:02.000 No, I haven't been since the pandemic.

02:49:04.000 Well, they locked the borders down.

02:49:06.000 You weren't allowed to go in.

02:49:08.000 The last time I went through, it was a bad trip.

02:49:12.000 It was a quick trip.

02:49:15.000 And...

02:49:16.000 When I got to the American Customs Guard coming out back into Alaska, he goes, you got anything to declare?

02:49:23.000 And I said, no. 0.99

02:49:24.000 I said, that fucking trip was horrible. 1.00

02:49:26.000 Those Canadians have jacked up the price of gas. 1.00

02:49:30.000 They're selling it by the pint. 0.99

02:49:32.000 I'm getting raped on the exchange. 0.85

02:49:34.000 You know, Canadian dollars versus an American, you're losing 15% right off the bat. 0.97

02:49:40.000 He goes, wow.

02:49:41.000 I said, you know something?

02:49:41.000 I'll tell you something.

02:49:43.000 There's only two people.

02:49:45.000 There's only two kinds of people in Canada.

02:49:48.000 He goes, yeah, what kind is that? 1.00

02:49:49.000 I say, they're either hockey players or hookers. 0.99

02:49:53.000 And he goes, my mother lives in Toronto. 0.99

02:49:56.000 I said, is she on the Maple Leafs?

02:50:02.000 Oh, boy.

02:50:04.000 You know, they really...

02:50:06.000 I'd like to see Alaska kind of...

02:50:09.000 I was part of the Alaskan Independence Party at one time.

02:50:12.000 Like Alaska branch off onto its own?

02:50:14.000 Yeah.

02:50:15.000 Secede from the Union?

02:50:16.000 Walter Hickel, the guy I was talking about, governor.

02:50:19.000 Yeah.

02:50:19.000 The big vision.

02:50:20.000 He ran for governor under that ticket, and he won.

02:50:23.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:50:24.000 But he won, and it went no place, of course.

02:50:28.000 Don't you think if Alaska became a country of the United States or just invaded it?

02:50:32.000 They've already invaded it.

02:50:35.000 You know, we have some huge military bases.

02:50:37.000 I wouldn't advise getting rid of those and do what they do in other parts of the world here. 0.99

02:50:42.000 We're gonna put a base here in Puerto Rico.

02:50:44.000 Okay, cool.

02:50:45.000 Those guys don't want to be a state.

02:50:48.000 They're a territory, man.

02:50:50.000 Territories are weird. 1.00

02:50:52.000 They get all the benefits and they don't have to do all the bullshit. 0.98

02:50:55.000 Well, that's why people like, you know, they go over there and they get great tax breaks. 0.95

02:51:00.000 As long as they spend more than 50% of their time there, they don't have to pay federal income tax.

02:51:05.000 Which is bananas.

02:51:06.000 Isn't that what it is?

02:51:07.000 Is that correct?

02:51:09.000 Something.

02:51:09.000 They also got screwed on the shipping stuff, I remember.

02:51:12.000 Like everything had to get shipped to America first before it shipped over there.

02:51:15.000 And they were down on resources and stuff.

02:51:17.000 Yeah.

02:51:18.000 And then the power goes off every time it rains.

02:51:20.000 Well, Alaska was a territory until 1959 when it became a state.

02:51:24.000 It was 1959 that happened?

02:51:26.000 Yeah.

02:51:26.000 And the company, my company, formerly Alaska Gold, formerly Fairbanks Exploration, was adamant they didn't want Alaska to become a state.

02:51:35.000 They wanted it to remain a territory.

02:51:37.000 And I have all the president's files in my archives.

02:51:41.000 That's the beauty of my archives.

02:51:42.000 I have all the records, everything, every letter ever written, every document, every drill log, every map, every cleanup book.

02:51:51.000 I can tell you particle size distribution on a certain cleanup on a certain creek on a certain day.

02:51:57.000 Now, the thing I like about those maps, it shows areas where the ground was frozen and the dredge couldn't dig all the way to bedrock.

02:52:04.000 Well, bedrock's where the gold's at.

02:52:06.000 The ground's still frozen.

02:52:07.000 So you just take the map out and go, let's go dig over here.

02:52:10.000 What do you say, boys?

02:52:12.000 Well, look at there.

02:52:14.000 Still got the pastry.

02:52:16.000 Take it out.

02:52:17.000 So, the president weighs in, tells the guys up in Fairbanks, you guys have to fight this statehood stuff.

02:52:25.000 Go to the Chamber of Commerce, do whatever you gotta do, but don't let them become a state.

02:52:30.000 Fight it tooth and nail.

02:52:32.000 Well, the government brought up a bunch of troops.

02:52:36.000 Right about the time it was to vote on whether Alaska would become a state.

02:52:40.000 Thousands of troops.

02:52:42.000 They all got to vote.

02:52:43.000 And they voted for Alaska to become a state.

02:52:45.000 And Alaska became a state.

02:52:48.000 Wow!

02:52:49.000 And the F.E. company shut down half the dredging fleet.

02:52:53.000 Shut down four of the dredges right now.

02:52:55.000 You're done.

02:52:55.000 We're done.

02:52:56.000 They kept two of them running for another three years.

02:52:59.000 Then they stopped.

02:53:01.000 So that's the company I bought years later.

02:53:04.000 It's always been privately held, never been public.

02:53:07.000 So when I bought it, it was assets only, including leases, including royalties, including contracts with AM&H and the University of Alaska. 0.99

02:53:19.000 Those are my goddamn bones. 0.98

02:53:21.000 So when I went to New York to tell them where the cow eats the cabbage, went through the basement, looked at the bones, met with the head guy. 0.99

02:53:29.000 He says, what are you here for?

02:53:31.000 The bones, what do you want?

02:53:33.000 I said, I want them all.

02:53:35.000 They're sitting in your basement.

02:53:36.000 I want them all sent back to Alaska. 0.98

02:53:38.000 I'll pay for it.

02:53:40.000 I started a research fund at the university up in Alaska.

02:53:44.000 Put money in it to make this happen.

02:53:48.000 They said, well, we can't do it right now.

02:53:50.000 We're doing asbestos abatement in the basement where these things are located.

02:53:55.000 I said, are you telling me you've polluted my collection?

02:54:00.000 Oh, no.

02:54:01.000 The abatement will be done in about six or seven years.

02:54:03.000 I said, fine.

02:54:04.000 When it's done, I'll come get them.

02:54:06.000 But I told you I was in the solid waste business.

02:54:10.000 I know what asbestos abatement's all about.

02:54:12.000 So I'd taken some samples while I was down in the basement looking at those bones.

02:54:17.000 And I had them analyzed up in Fairbanks, of course.

02:54:21.000 And it's called non-RACCM. Asbestos-containing material is called ACM, A-C-M. Non-RACCM is non-regulated asbestos-containing material, which means it's not hazardous.

02:54:35.000 So I'm going, okay, I'll get these bones.

02:54:39.000 I had the funds set up, I had the money put out. 1.00

02:54:43.000 Years later they said, fuck this guy. 1.00

02:54:46.000 We're not giving his bones back. 1.00

02:54:49.000 I said, well, I made it up for the long haul here, boys.

02:54:52.000 This was 20 years ago, Joe.

02:54:54.000 It's been going on a while.

02:54:56.000 So then we found Boneyard.

02:54:58.000 I got distracted.

02:55:00.000 I said, oh, boy, we're finding our own bones.

02:55:02.000 Let's just keep finding our own bones.

02:55:05.000 But then I started thinking about it again.

02:55:09.000 I still want the bones back.

02:55:11.000 And I found that document.

02:55:13.000 It tells me where they dumped them all in the East River.

02:55:16.000 Or at least a bunch of them.

02:55:18.000 Well, why not start a bone rush?

02:55:21.000 And that's what we're doing right now.

02:55:23.000 You just did it. 0.99

02:55:25.000 It's going to be the biggest goddamn bone Russian world history. 1.00

02:55:28.000 Well, stay tuned. 0.99

02:55:32.000 Let's see how that all turns out.

02:55:35.000 Something's going to happen.

02:55:36.000 You know, I'm not a scientist.

02:55:38.000 I'm not going to...

02:55:38.000 Hey, boys, all I can do is tell you where they're at.

02:55:41.000 Yeah.

02:55:42.000 Well, you did.

02:55:42.000 If you want to go find them, go find them.

02:55:44.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

02:55:45.000 I guarantee you someone's going to try to find them. 0.99

02:55:47.000 Oh, I would if I was down there and I was one of those guys.

02:55:50.000 Yeah.

02:55:51.000 You would too.

02:55:52.000 Yeah, and it would be a great documentary.

02:55:54.000 It would be. 0.99

02:55:54.000 If guys set out to do that and they played a clip from this podcast, you have my full permission, and then go and jump in that water with scuba gear, start pulling out mammoth tusks, Holy shit. 0.99

02:56:11.000 One tusk. 0.99

02:56:14.000 Daddy's got a new boat.

02:56:18.000 But you probably wouldn't want to sell it.

02:56:20.000 No.

02:56:20.000 You'd want to keep it.

02:56:21.000 Yeah, you'd want to keep it.

02:56:22.000 Unless you found another one.

02:56:24.000 Unless there's someone that's going there just specifically to sell it.

02:56:27.000 What if it was a saber-tooth skull?

02:56:28.000 What if it was a dire wolf skull?

02:56:30.000 What if it was stuff that was never supposed to be discovered?

02:56:34.000 You really have no idea what they threw out.

02:56:37.000 I don't have any idea what we got.

02:56:40.000 I mean, we got...

02:56:41.000 When Dick was out there, he said, oh, I see that.

02:56:44.000 You know what that is?

02:56:45.000 I said, no.

02:56:46.000 He said, that's a scapula from a lion.

02:56:48.000 I told him, we got a bunch of those.

02:56:50.000 We do.

02:56:51.000 I didn't know what they were.

02:56:54.000 There's some kind of bliss that comes from not knowing. 0.99

02:56:58.000 Because if I knew what I was looking at, I'd probably go, holy shit. 0.98

02:57:02.000 How many animals did you guys find that are not supposed to be up there? 0.99

02:57:06.000 Half a dozen, probably.

02:57:10.000 Probably more than that.

02:57:11.000 I just don't know.

02:57:12.000 I don't know enough to...

02:57:13.000 Because there hasn't been a real accounting of everything that's up there in your piles.

02:57:18.000 No.

02:57:19.000 I had a group of paleontologists come over from the Yukon on a visit, and they were out with the university guy.

02:57:25.000 He says, oh, come on.

02:57:27.000 I said, sure, bring them over, and I had a couple tables we dumped a couple tubs out on. 0.62

02:57:31.000 Now, we've got hundreds of tubs that are filled with bones.

02:57:33.000 We emptied two tubs out.

02:57:35.000 We spent over two hours just going crazy over those two tubs.

02:57:40.000 Harrington Horse.

02:57:42.000 The guy says, oh, I can't believe this.

02:57:45.000 They were finding all kinds of stuff.

02:57:47.000 I didn't know what it was, just bones.

02:57:50.000 Some of these guys are pretty well trained.

02:57:52.000 They can tell the difference between a horse and a Harrington horse.

02:57:56.000 How do you do that?

02:57:57.000 I don't know.

02:57:59.000 I have a picture of one on my internet or my page of a stilt-legged horse, Harrington horse.

02:58:05.000 What does it look like?

02:58:06.000 They look like zebras. 0.52

02:58:07.000 They're striped?

02:58:08.000 Yep.

02:58:10.000 Find a Harrington horse.

02:58:11.000 Wow.

02:58:12.000 Yep.

02:58:13.000 So it's kind of fun.

02:58:15.000 It's like all my kids love doing it.

02:58:18.000 My wife loves doing it. 0.99

02:58:20.000 They were raised doing it.

02:58:22.000 They were raised looking for gold.

02:58:23.000 There's a Harrington horse.

02:58:24.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:58:25.000 Look at that cool thing.

02:58:26.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:58:27.000 Wow!

02:58:29.000 And that was in Alaska.

02:58:30.000 Almost like a zebra.

02:58:33.000 A horse is a horse, of course, unless it's not.

02:58:36.000 And that's a...

02:58:37.000 Wow.

02:58:42.000 Crazy animal.

02:58:43.000 Scientists recognize new species of late Pleistocene horse.

02:58:47.000 So when did they find this?

02:58:49.000 When did they discover this thing?

02:58:53.000 I don't know.

02:58:54.000 Does it say there, Jamie?

02:58:56.000 Oh, these specimens were collected 100 years ago, were wrongly assumed to represent previously known species of or genera.

02:59:05.000 During the Pleistocene, there were three lineages of horses in the Americas, the Cabaline horses, the New World stilt-legged horses, and the Hippodion horses.

02:59:23.000 The Cabalene horses belong to the Equus genus, which includes all living species of horses, donkeys, and zebras.

02:59:29.000 The species of Cabalene horses that lived in North and South America likely included the predecessor of the modern-day domesticated horse.

02:59:39.000 Wow.

02:59:40.000 It was probably the same species.

02:59:41.000 The New World stilt-legged horses are so anatomically resembled the Asiatic wild horses and donkeys that paleontologists mistakenly thought they were closely related.

02:59:50.000 In recent years, paleontologists began to reject this assumed affinity, and the genetic studies cited in this blog entry supports their reassessment.

03:00:00.000 Wow.

03:00:02.000 Wow.

03:00:05.000 Fascinating.

03:00:07.000 They diverged from Equus horses between 4 and 5 million years ago.

03:00:13.000 Wow.

03:00:14.000 And they died about 12,000 years ago.

03:00:16.000 About what your guys have been telling you.

03:00:19.000 The Dryas.

03:00:20.000 Yeah, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

03:00:22.000 It was about 12,000 years ago.

03:00:24.000 Yeah.

03:00:24.000 And, you know.

03:00:27.000 We've got to send Randall Carlson to your spot.

03:00:29.000 I'll bring him.

03:00:30.000 That needs to happen.

03:00:32.000 I bet he would have some very unique insight.

03:00:34.000 Yeah, Forrest Golan, I think I told you this, had texted me and said he was in Anchorage and he wanted to come up and visit the Boneyard, but I was already in Florida.

03:00:44.000 And I told you that, you know, hey, he had got a hold of me and why don't you guys come up next year?

03:00:49.000 You know, it was thawed out and water's running and shit like that. 0.82

03:00:52.000 Yeah. 0.81

03:00:54.000 And that's when you said, hey, why don't you get on the show? 0.99

03:00:57.000 And I said, well, fuck yeah, I'll get on the show. 0.99

03:00:59.000 Gigs up. 1.00

03:01:01.000 Gigs up.

03:01:01.000 We did it.

03:01:03.000 Well, listen, John, thank you very much for being here, man.

03:01:05.000 We just did three hours, believe it or not.

03:01:07.000 Did we really?

03:01:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:01:09.000 I've been kind of real nervous about doing this.

03:01:12.000 Really?

03:01:12.000 You seem super relaxed.

03:01:15.000 Well, it's all bullshit. 0.99

03:01:17.000 I haven't slept well in a week. 0.99

03:01:21.000 He seemed great.

03:01:22.000 He did a great job.

03:01:23.000 It's an absolutely fascinating story.

03:01:25.000 I think I regard you as the best interviewer I've ever heard.

03:01:30.000 Well, thank you very much.

03:01:31.000 I appreciate that.

03:01:31.000 You're a real communicator, and you also have a true appreciation for history and prehistory, which is, if you don't have that, I ain't got time to talk to you.

03:01:41.000 Well, it's just so fascinating.

03:01:43.000 But you have always been a guy.

03:01:47.000 Now the gig's up.

03:01:49.000 The gig's up.

03:01:49.000 If you want to send Forrest up there, you send him up.

03:01:52.000 He's coming on soon.

03:01:54.000 We'll talk about it for sure.

03:01:55.000 That'd be awesome.

03:01:56.000 Yeah.

03:01:56.000 Three hours, huh?

03:01:57.000 Yeah, three hours.

03:01:58.000 Well, good for me.

03:01:59.000 I'm going to be able to sleep like a baby tonight.

03:02:01.000 You did a great job, John.

03:02:02.000 I'll wake up every two hours and cry.

03:02:04.000 Thank you very much, Matt.

03:02:05.000 I really appreciate you.

03:02:06.000 Thank you, sir.

03:02:06.000 I appreciate it.

03:02:07.000 And the address of the Instagram site is the Boneyard Alaska.

03:02:11.000 Do you guys have a website?

03:02:13.000 No.

03:02:14.000 The only thing I do online is the Boneyard Alaska.

03:02:17.000 Can I mention a couple others?

03:02:18.000 Yeah.

03:02:19.000 There's also the YouTube video that we talked about so people would know.

03:02:23.000 My daughter's got a YouTube.

03:02:25.000 But there's that video that we referenced, the documentary.

03:02:29.000 What is that on?

03:02:30.000 My daughter's YouTube is Gold Daughters.

03:02:33.000 At Gold Daughters YouTube.

03:02:35.000 Okay.

03:02:36.000 My son's is at Kinsey.

03:02:39.000 And then the Instagrams are The Boneyard Alaska, Ice Age Fossil Works, that's where I sell my pipes and guitar picks and stuff.

03:02:48.000 Elora Longling, where you get the Saks Fifth Avenue, beautiful jewelry.

03:02:52.000 And at Gold Daughters, my daughter.

03:02:54.000 And Boneyard, Alaska.

03:02:56.000 There you go.

03:02:57.000 Boneyard, Alaska is the documentary that folks can watch and it's on YouTube right now.

03:03:02.000 That's my darling wife. 0.98

03:03:05.000 Yeah, we raise good kids and we got great adults.

03:03:09.000 Boneyard, Alaska only has 113 views.

03:03:12.000 Yep.

03:03:14.000 Let's see what it has tomorrow.

03:03:16.000 When is this going to air, by the way?

03:03:18.000 Do you know?

03:03:18.000 It'll air next week.

03:03:21.000 Yeah, we'll let you know.

03:03:22.000 I'll let you know as soon as it's coming up.

03:03:23.000 Yeah, because I told people they all want to know when.

03:03:26.000 I said, I'm not at liberty to say because basically I don't know.

03:03:30.000 It'll air next week.

03:03:31.000 This one will.

03:03:31.000 That's awesome.

03:03:33.000 We'll look at it.

03:03:33.000 We're going to be back in Florida tonight and I'll have a bottle of, you know, my tequila and I'll be all ready for it.

03:03:40.000 All right, brother.

03:03:41.000 Thank you very much for being here.

03:03:42.000 You're the man.

03:03:42.000 Next time I come back, let's talk a little bit about the pipeline.

03:03:46.000 Okay.

03:03:46.000 I think you get a kick out of that.

03:03:48.000 Okay.

03:03:48.000 Next time.

03:03:49.000 How did that go from $800 million to $9 billion?

03:03:53.000 Well, it's probably just really good people doing a really good job and no corruption at all.

03:04:00.000 The hookers even had a union. 1.00

03:04:02.000 It was great. 0.99

03:04:03.000 Thank you.

03:04:03.000 Thank you very much.

03:04:04.000 Thank you, sir.

03:04:05.000 Bye, everybody.

03:04:06.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 30, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1918 - John from The Boneyard Alaska

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