The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1920 - Dave Portnoy

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00:00:12.000 Yep, okay.

00:00:14.000 How's it going?

00:00:15.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:00:16.000 What's going on?

00:00:16.000 Not too much.

00:00:17.000 We were just talking about how we're a couple of right-wing psychos.

00:00:20.000 Yeah, perceived that way, at least.

00:00:22.000 Perceived that way.

00:00:24.000 It's so weird.

00:00:25.000 People just have to lump you into one category or another, and if you're not completely aligned with the left, they'll just lump you in with the right.

00:00:32.000 Yours is pretty easy to figure out, though, because you did endorse Bernie Sanders.

00:00:37.000 Did you?

00:00:38.000 Right?

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:39.000 So, I mean, it should be like all of one second to figure out maybe you aren't.

00:00:45.000 Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything to anybody.

00:00:50.000 We're living in the weirdest time.

00:00:52.000 People just want to categorize people in a tweet.

00:00:54.000 They want to categorize people in 140 or 280 symbols.

00:01:00.000 They just decide that you're this or you're that.

00:01:02.000 That way they can categorize you as the enemy.

00:01:05.000 Does that bother you at all?

00:01:07.000 Do you care?

00:01:09.000 I mean, I wish that they didn't, but what are you going to do?

00:01:12.000 I mean, yeah, if somebody miscategorizes me or mislabels me, I guess it would bother me a little bit, but...

00:01:21.000 That's just on them.

00:01:23.000 It's not the way I am.

00:01:26.000 I'm a big believer in social programs.

00:01:28.000 I'm a big believer in welfare.

00:01:30.000 I'm a big believer in taking care of poor people.

00:01:32.000 I'm a big believer in social programs to clean up cities. 0.97

00:01:36.000 There's a lot of shit that we should be doing in this country to help people that are disenfranchised because it's not fair. 0.98

00:01:43.000 Anybody thinks it is fair that someone lives in a fucking crime-infested, gang-ridden inner city, and that's exactly the same as someone who grew up in the suburbs. 0.99

00:01:51.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:01:51.000 Right. 1.00

00:01:52.000 So that would go against what I think a lot of people would expect you to say.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, but I also, you know, I'm a cage-fighting commentator.

00:02:00.000 I'm a big believer in the Second Amendment.

00:02:03.000 You know, there's a lot of reasons why they would decide to categorize me as a right-wing person, but it's...

00:02:10.000 It's not correct. 0.96

00:02:11.000 And also, there's all this ridiculous woke shit that's going on, this bizarre mind virus that's going from universities into tech companies and the media and just fucking infiltrating people with these rigid ideas of what you have to say and not say and what you can and not say. 0.99

00:02:32.000 None of that is liberal. 0.99

00:02:34.000 None of that is really open-minded or progressive.

00:02:36.000 It's all just a cult.

00:02:39.000 So if you go against it, the only thing you could possibly be is the other.

00:02:44.000 So you must be like a mega supporter.

00:02:46.000 My main thing with it If I know how you're going to answer a question basically before it's asked, which I think you can do with almost everybody involved in politics, I don't trust you.

00:02:58.000 And you really can.

00:02:59.000 On both left and right, ask any question, you know what they're going to answer.

00:03:03.000 So it's like you're not thinking independently.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that, right?

00:03:07.000 Like if you are on the right, I have to assume you're dismissive of climate change.

00:03:11.000 You know, if you're on the left, I have to assume that you want a woman to have the right to choose, period.

00:03:18.000 You know, and like there's like things like that.

00:03:21.000 Like you are pro-abortion or you are pro-this or you are pro-that.

00:03:25.000 And what's weird now is like if you're on the left, you're pro-Ukraine war.

00:03:29.000 You want to send, like, your pro-military industrial complex getting funneled billions and trillions of dollars into their system to be able to create weapons to fight off Russia.

00:03:39.000 It's like, whoa, that's the left now?

00:03:42.000 And, really, that should have nothing to do with either side, really.

00:03:46.000 Like, I mean, how you feel about that I don't think should be left or right.

00:03:50.000 I mean, that's a super complicated issue, to be honest.

00:03:52.000 For me, at least, it's like Ukraine. 0.53

00:03:55.000 You don't want a country being invaded that doesn't want to be invaded.

00:03:58.000 They're not Americans, but they are humans.

00:04:01.000 So it's like, what do you do?

00:04:02.000 What do you do there?

00:04:04.000 It's a tough situation.

00:04:05.000 It's very tough.

00:04:06.000 And it's also very complicated, too, because there's NATO's involvement in pushing weapons closer to the border of Russia and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. It's like Jack Ryan.

00:04:20.000 The latest season of Jack Ryan.

00:04:22.000 It's literally sort of like that plot.

00:04:23.000 But yeah.

00:04:24.000 No, there is no easy answer to a lot of issues.

00:04:26.000 But it's just so black and white.

00:04:29.000 And that's no good.

00:04:31.000 None of it's good.

00:04:32.000 This is a scary time to be alive.

00:04:36.000 Someone told me the other day that Nostradamus predicted that there was going to be some sort of a World War III. But doesn't that every year...

00:04:45.000 Nostradamus, though, just throws his hat on the field, and it's vague enough where anything can be true, so everything he's ever said can be true.

00:04:54.000 Right.

00:04:56.000 Didn't he predict someone named Hister that was going to start a world war? 1.00

00:05:01.000 He came real close with, like, Hitler.

00:05:05.000 Have you seen the Titanic book?

00:05:08.000 The book that was written about the Titanic before the Titanic?

00:05:12.000 If you want to Google that, there is literally a book that...

00:05:16.000 Is called like, I forget the name of the book, but it's like the biggest cruise ship that will ever sail, it's gonna hit an iceberg, and it's gonna sink.

00:05:25.000 That is weird.

00:05:27.000 But Nostradamus, I'm not buying the hype on him.

00:05:30.000 I haven't looked into it.

00:05:31.000 Now, if he has a guy named Hisler...

00:05:34.000 What does it say?

00:05:35.000 What fewer people have heard is a short novel called The Futility, The Wreck of the Titan, published in the U.S., writer Morgan Robertson, a novel that tells the story of the world's largest passenger ship, the Titan, and how it sank after hitting an iceberg, a novel published 14 years before the Titanic sank.

00:05:50.000 That's pretty crazy.

00:05:51.000 That's crazy.

00:05:52.000 It's called The Titan.

00:05:53.000 Yes.

00:05:53.000 And an iceberg.

00:05:55.000 Wow.

00:05:55.000 But I bet they hit icebergs all the time back then.

00:05:58.000 Well, see, that's the Nostradamus theory, that if you do enough, like, I mean, you can at this point say pretty confidently there'll be another gigantic war at some point.

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:08.000 See, how does yours stay lit?

00:06:10.000 Just keep puffing on it.

00:06:11.000 I told you I don't.

00:06:12.000 You've got to get better at this. 0.97

00:06:14.000 You're a toxic masculinity guy.

00:06:16.000 You have to do toxic masculinity things. 0.55

00:06:20.000 Not a huge cigar guy.

00:06:22.000 No?

00:06:23.000 No.

00:06:23.000 I mean, I do like them, but I don't smoke them a lot.

00:06:27.000 I kind of quit.

00:06:27.000 When I started my paper route, we had a cigar company called Honey's, something Honey's.

00:06:33.000 So it used to be a paper route.

00:06:34.000 I delivered it.

00:06:35.000 And it was like our first advertiser.

00:06:36.000 I'd smoke them when I drove the Astro van.

00:06:38.000 I got so high and I was just done with them.

00:06:40.000 When was this?

00:06:41.000 2004. You had a paper route in 2004?

00:06:44.000 Barstool started as a newspaper.

00:06:46.000 So I used to hand it out, and we had those little news racks outside subway stations.

00:06:51.000 For 48 hours, I'd just jump in my Astrovan and fill the news racks, drop them in bars throughout Boston.

00:06:56.000 Really?

00:06:57.000 Yeah, that's how it started.

00:06:57.000 That's how you started?

00:06:58.000 Yeah, it was a newspaper.

00:07:00.000 Wow.

00:07:01.000 Yeah.

00:07:01.000 So your own newspaper.

00:07:02.000 Yeah.

00:07:03.000 Wow.

00:07:04.000 I'd wake up at 4 a.m., go to the subway, hand it out to people walking by me, and just scream at them, like, take the newspaper.

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:12.000 What was the motivation to do that?

00:07:14.000 How did you get the idea?

00:07:15.000 I was always into gambling.

00:07:17.000 And so I had a normal sales job.

00:07:20.000 I always knew I wanted to try my own thing.

00:07:23.000 Flew out to Vegas.

00:07:24.000 Met with the casinos.

00:07:25.000 They're all like, you've got to be a dealer.

00:07:26.000 You've got to start at the bottom.

00:07:28.000 I was like, I don't want to do that.

00:07:29.000 Talked to offshore casinos and said, how do I get involved?

00:07:32.000 And they all said, the internet at the time I did this, if you went to a gambling site, fireworks, pop-ups, look like you're getting your credit card stolen.

00:07:40.000 They actually said, get us off the internet, put us in a physical newsletter, and we'll advertise.

00:07:45.000 So I sold like a year of advertising before we launched, and it was a gambling rack.

00:07:50.000 It was like a four-page newspaper, but I sold the advertising, and it allowed me just a morph.

00:07:56.000 So like during the course of the year, we slowly moved strictly away from gambling to more like men's interest, like girls and things like that.

00:08:03.000 That's how it started.

00:08:04.000 So when you were into gambling, why did you decide to do a newspaper?

00:08:10.000 Because I knew I wanted to do something I enjoyed doing.

00:08:12.000 I was doing cold calling sales.

00:08:14.000 I couldn't do that my whole life.

00:08:16.000 And when I called these casinos to advertise, it's what I just said.

00:08:21.000 The internet was cluttered.

00:08:22.000 It was filled.

00:08:23.000 It was a time when literally every gambling website had little graphics of fireworks popping up, everything.

00:08:30.000 And the gambling companies wanted to get off the internet because it was too cluttered.

00:08:34.000 So they said, if you do a newsletter or a newspaper, we'll advertise.

00:08:38.000 So that's why I created it.

00:08:40.000 How funny is that?

00:08:41.000 They wanted to get off the internet.

00:08:42.000 Off the internet.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:08:44.000 Barstool Sports.

00:08:46.000 Oh my god, look at that.

00:08:48.000 2003, the first issue of Barstool Sports.

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:52.000 Wow.

00:08:54.000 Hooters football.

00:08:54.000 First advertisers, yeah.

00:08:56.000 Hooters.

00:08:56.000 Hooters was your first?

00:08:57.000 Yeah.

00:08:58.000 Wow.

00:08:59.000 Hooters is apparently in trouble.

00:09:01.000 I just read something about Hooters is not doing well.

00:09:03.000 That's the fake story?

00:09:05.000 Is it a fake story?

00:09:06.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:09:06.000 The one that people aren't interested in tits anymore? 0.98

00:09:09.000 Well, that's a fake story.

00:09:11.000 I don't know if that's the one.

00:09:12.000 That's not true. 0.94

00:09:12.000 I think that's a ridiculous conclusion. 0.94

00:09:16.000 Just because a business that has girls with owl eyes over their tits. 1.00

00:09:21.000 I don't know how they get away with it. 0.93

00:09:23.000 I've always wondered that in this culture, basically, where you can just hire on looks.

00:09:30.000 Yeah, that is true, right?

00:09:32.000 But don't they do that in strip clubs, too? 1.00

00:09:34.000 Yeah.

00:09:35.000 I mean, they kind of do.

00:09:36.000 Yeah, but I don't know how.

00:09:37.000 Yeah, there's no equality in strip clubs. 1.00

00:09:40.000 No, some are better than others, but yeah, it's based on looks. 0.99

00:09:43.000 Yeah, all that body positivity shit. 0.99

00:09:45.000 Out the window. 0.99

00:09:45.000 So how do you figure it out? 0.99

00:09:46.000 How do they get away with it?

00:09:47.000 How does a restaurant get away with it?

00:09:49.000 It's a good question, but it's the same thing in those Chippendale shows.

00:09:53.000 Absolutely.

00:09:54.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what you're selling.

00:09:56.000 If that's what you're selling...

00:09:57.000 You get away with it.

00:09:57.000 Yeah.

00:09:58.000 That must be the case.

00:09:59.000 It is the case.

00:10:00.000 But it's not with models anymore.

00:10:03.000 Now you can be an obese model. 0.94

00:10:05.000 Yes.

00:10:06.000 But that's also because you're selling clothes to people that are obese.

00:10:09.000 Because there's a lot of people that are overweight.

00:10:12.000 You can sell them clothes.

00:10:14.000 I guess it's good to have an overweight model because if you're an overweight person, you buy clothes like, oh, that would look good on me. 1.00

00:10:20.000 It looks good on her.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, it's half...

00:10:22.000 It's half public pressure and half business because, like, Victoria's Secret got basically bullied out of their fashion show and their entire model by only having, like, the perfect Victoria's Secret angels.

00:10:37.000 They had to go plus size.

00:10:38.000 Now, they did that because of public pressure or because of business decision or kind of both?

00:10:44.000 You know, were they stuck their guns if, like, our business is killing it?

00:10:47.000 We don't care what you say.

00:10:49.000 I don't know.

00:10:50.000 I wonder.

00:10:51.000 I bet it enhanced their business to have plus size.

00:10:53.000 Correct.

00:10:54.000 It's probably a good business move.

00:10:55.000 Are they doing it right?

00:10:56.000 Are they doing it...

00:10:57.000 I'm one of those guys, I don't think there's any...

00:11:00.000 I forget the word that I'm going to say.

00:11:03.000 Altruism.

00:11:03.000 I don't think there's an altruistic act in the world.

00:11:07.000 I think every single thing somebody does is...

00:11:10.000 Even if it just makes you feel good, well, that's not altruistic.

00:11:13.000 Right.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, I've said that before about being kind and generous, that it makes you feel good.

00:11:18.000 It's actually good for you, too.

00:11:20.000 Correct.

00:11:20.000 But it's still kind and generous.

00:11:22.000 Just because someone enjoys it doesn't mean it's not altruistic.

00:11:27.000 It's just that there is a benefit to the person that does it to the I think a lot of people have this idea of altruism that you only You're only benefiting the person you're helping and that's the only real altruism.

00:11:37.000 I think it's you're also Yeah, I mean it it benefits you But it's benefits you and it just it feels good.

00:11:46.000 It's like I think people look at When people have ulterior motives.

00:11:53.000 Charities bother me when I find out that the people behind the charities are making millions of dollars.

00:11:58.000 That's the worst thing in the world.

00:11:59.000 That is scary.

00:12:00.000 That freaks me out.

00:12:01.000 We've almost...

00:12:02.000 So we've done a lot of charity.

00:12:04.000 And obviously, anytime you say do charity, it is self-enhancing.

00:12:07.000 But we've done a ton of charity.

00:12:08.000 And it started...

00:12:09.000 We did it with...

00:12:10.000 Boston Marathon.

00:12:11.000 So we were in Boston at the time of the bombings.

00:12:13.000 That's the first time we did it.

00:12:14.000 And we don't really ever give our money to anybody else.

00:12:18.000 We control it.

00:12:19.000 We give it direct to the people because of what you said.

00:12:21.000 I don't trust charities for the most part.

00:12:23.000 Yeah.

00:12:23.000 There's just too much overhead.

00:12:25.000 I mean, when you give to charities, there's a list of charities that you can find online where you can see what their overhead is and how much money actually gets to the people.

00:12:35.000 And it's a very small percentage in most of them.

00:12:38.000 What's like the lowest charity in terms of like the worst charity for like you give them money and how much of it actually goes to the charity?

00:12:48.000 Because some of them are pretty good, but man, some of them are shockingly bad.

00:12:53.000 Like, you know, 10%.

00:12:55.000 Yeah.

00:12:56.000 Like, which is crazy.

00:12:57.000 You know, when you've got executives making six figures and...

00:13:00.000 Yeah.

00:13:01.000 Well, it becomes a business.

00:13:02.000 It's no longer like a charity.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, that's real common, though. 0.99

00:13:06.000 Like, a lot of people freaked out when the Black Lives Matter people were buying mansions and shit. 0.99

00:13:10.000 Yep. 0.99

00:13:11.000 Well, I mean, rightfully so.

00:13:13.000 Oh my gosh, look at this.

00:13:15.000 The name game.

00:13:16.000 A very commonly known and respected group is the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

00:13:19.000 This organization spends the vast majority of its donations on children.

00:13:24.000 Kid Wish Network.

00:13:25.000 However, it spends only three cents of every dollar collected on kids.

00:13:32.000 But their website and solicitations are designed to look and sound like Make-A-Wish.

00:13:36.000 In fact, they count on confusion to gather contributions.

00:13:40.000 What?

00:13:41.000 Do we just bury Make-A-Wish?

00:13:43.000 I hope not.

00:13:44.000 No, it's not Make-A-Wish.

00:13:44.000 It's this kid's wish note.

00:13:46.000 It's the one that's copying Make-A-Wish.

00:13:48.000 Kids Wish Network.

00:13:49.000 We're not burying Make-A-Wish.

00:13:51.000 Make-A-Wish is a very respected group.

00:13:53.000 That organization spends the vast majority of its donations.

00:13:56.000 But the Kids Wish Network spends only three cents of every dollar collected on kids.

00:14:01.000 Well, that just sounds like a group that may be trying to trick people.

00:14:04.000 It is.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, so they're designed to look and sound like Make-A-Wish.

00:14:10.000 You got a special spot in hell if you're doing that. 1.00

00:14:12.000 Yeah, that's evil shit. 1.00

00:14:14.000 Three cents on every dollar. 1.00

00:14:15.000 And you're using a name.

00:14:17.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 I'm surprised.

00:14:18.000 I don't know how you get away with that.

00:14:20.000 Yeah, the Kids Wish Network.

00:14:23.000 Make Wish Kids Wish.

00:14:24.000 Three cents of every dollar.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, there's a hustle in advertising like that.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, I don't know how that would be a copyright.

00:14:34.000 It should be.

00:14:35.000 Maybe we just blew the lid off.

00:14:37.000 I hope we did.

00:14:38.000 Yeah, because you get something in the mail, Kids Wish Network, like, oh, I want to help these kids.

00:14:42.000 And you may think it's Make-A-Wish.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, which is a great organization.

00:14:45.000 Great.

00:14:46.000 Which we almost just buried.

00:14:48.000 Not really.

00:14:49.000 Well, we were close.

00:14:51.000 We were one quick clear-up there.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, well, that's why they do it that way, so they can trick you, thinking they're a part of that.

00:15:02.000 There's so many of those organizations.

00:15:04.000 So that's kind of a fake charity.

00:15:06.000 But let's go to the Red Cross.

00:15:09.000 How much of the money, if you donate to the Red Cross, how much of it actually goes to charitable interests?

00:15:16.000 Do you care about anything you say?

00:15:18.000 In what way?

00:15:19.000 Like, I have one off the top of my head.

00:15:21.000 I don't want to say it because I've heard many times that it's not great with donating, but I'm afraid to say it.

00:15:27.000 What is that?

00:15:29.000 The Red Cross is proud that an average of 90 cents of every dollar spent invested in delivering care and comfort to those in need.

00:15:35.000 The remaining 10 cents help to keep the entire Red Cross running by supporting routine but indispensable day-to-day business operations. 0.97

00:15:42.000 That's fucking great. 0.97

00:15:43.000 Can I say one? 0.99

00:15:45.000 Red Cross is fucking great. 0.99

00:15:47.000 Yeah, Red Cross. 0.99

00:15:48.000 I have one that I know that I've heard is not great.

00:15:52.000 I'll check.

00:15:52.000 What's the name?

00:15:53.000 Wounded Warriors.

00:15:54.000 Wounded Warriors?

00:15:55.000 Yep.

00:15:56.000 Really?

00:15:56.000 That's the one why I didn't say it.

00:15:57.000 But I love military causes.

00:15:59.000 But that's one I've heard is not ideal with getting most of the money out.

00:16:03.000 Let's find out.

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.000 I mean...

00:16:06.000 I apologize in advance if that's incorrect information.

00:16:09.000 We'll just edit it out just to avoid trouble if it's incorrect.

00:16:13.000 It does say it has a good rating, but it also says scandal, and I have to investigate what scandal means, I guess.

00:16:18.000 Like, we moved to...

00:16:21.000 Well, we've done a bunch.

00:16:23.000 We do Headstrong, Fisher House.

00:16:26.000 Wounded Warrior Project's top execs fired amid lavish spending scandal. 1.00

00:16:36.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:16:37.000 Something there. 1.00

00:16:39.000 What is the ad blocker? 1.00

00:16:42.000 These motherfuckers. 1.00

00:16:45.000 So it might have been just the people that were running it. 1.00

00:16:49.000 Could be.

00:16:49.000 They were fired by the charity's board amid criticisms about how it spent more than $800 million in donations over the last four years.

00:16:57.000 The development was confirmed by Abernathy McGregor, a public relations firm hired to represent the veterans charity.

00:17:04.000 To best effectuate these changes and help restore trust the organization amongst all constituents sees WWP serves, the board determined the organization would benefit from new leadership,

00:17:19.000 blah, blah, blah.

00:17:20.000 What happened though?

00:17:22.000 What did those guys do?

00:17:23.000 When was this article?

00:17:24.000 This is 2016. It says they were fired by the board for criticisms and how they spent $800 million in donations.

00:17:33.000 Right, but does it say that they stole it?

00:17:36.000 Like, no.

00:17:37.000 There it is.

00:17:38.000 Nonprofit watchdog charity advocate says Wounded Warrior Project spends just 60% of its budget on veterans.

00:17:46.000 The Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation provides more than 98% to veterans.

00:17:50.000 Wow.

00:17:53.000 Maybe it changed since then.

00:17:55.000 Yeah, maybe it did.

00:17:56.000 And also, I'd like to know why.

00:17:58.000 Maybe there's some logistical explanation for why they have to spend so much money.

00:18:04.000 I mean, what does that mean?

00:18:06.000 Because that's a cause.

00:18:07.000 You hear the name.

00:18:08.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 And it's like we've donated tons of different millions.

00:18:11.000 That's the one you want to get behind right off the bat.

00:18:13.000 Of course.

00:18:13.000 Just the way it says.

00:18:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:15.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 The same with, like, Make-A-Wish.

00:18:17.000 Oh, kids.

00:18:18.000 Exactly.

00:18:18.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:18:19.000 Dying kids.

00:18:20.000 Yep. 0.55

00:18:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:21.000 But that's the problem with fucking sleazy people. 1.00

00:18:25.000 It's like they'll hide behind... 1.00

00:18:26.000 I mean, that's...

00:18:27.000 You hear a lot of athlete ones, obviously.

00:18:29.000 Like, the Brett Favre stuff's crazy.

00:18:31.000 Yeah.

00:18:31.000 Yeah, I didn't look into that that much because I'm not the biggest football fan, but it looked pretty sad.

00:18:37.000 Yes, very sad from what it seems like.

00:18:40.000 The money that should have been going to the state was going to build a volleyball court at the school because his daughter played volleyball.

00:18:47.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.000 Not great.

00:18:49.000 And he was aware of all that?

00:18:51.000 Certainly seems that way.

00:18:53.000 Doesn't he also have, like, probably pretty significant CTE? There was a thing about Brett Favre, like, he thinks he's had a thousand concussions.

00:19:01.000 A thousand?

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:03.000 That was him, right?

00:19:04.000 Yeah, it was because just, like, every time, any shaking could be a concussion, so he was considering, like, the definition of concussion to be like, well, then I've had thousands of them.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, well, he's talking about how many times he's got his bell rang.

00:19:15.000 That is a concussion for the most part.

00:19:17.000 It's certainly close to it.

00:19:20.000 Is...

00:19:21.000 I've always had this question.

00:19:22.000 You're an MMA guy, obviously.

00:19:25.000 So the NFL, the concussion thing, I think is because if they start acknowledging it, really, they got to go all the way back in time and deal with ex-players and things like that.

00:19:34.000 MMA guys get hit in the face every two seconds.

00:19:36.000 Are they just released?

00:19:38.000 Is that why no one ever talks about concussions in MMA? But in football, it's a huge discussion?

00:19:44.000 I think in football it was never known, whereas in boxing it was always punch drunk.

00:19:51.000 Everybody always knew about it.

00:19:52.000 So I think you thought going into it that this was a risk that you were taking if you wanted to be a fighter.

00:19:57.000 So I think the thought behind it was, look, everybody knows What happened to Muhammad Ali?

00:20:04.000 Everybody saw Joe Frazier at the end of his career.

00:20:06.000 Everybody saw all these guys who could barely talk, who used to be these great, great fighters.

00:20:11.000 And everybody who was aware, who was in the game, said, look, you got to talk to your fighters when it's time to leave.

00:20:19.000 And you got to be aware of the risks, but you know what you're getting into when you get into it.

00:20:23.000 You know, just like... 0.54

00:20:25.000 If a guy is a BMX jumper and he does those flips on dirt bikes and then he falls and fucking breaks his neck, you know he knew that that was... 0.88

00:20:35.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:20:38.000 You know the risk going into it where football, they...

00:20:41.000 I think they didn't know.

00:20:42.000 I don't think people really knew...

00:20:44.000 And he hit it.

00:20:45.000 Adele hit it. 1.00

00:20:46.000 Yes.

00:20:47.000 How did they hide it?

00:20:50.000 I mean, they just...

00:20:51.000 I believe they buried the surveys.

00:20:54.000 At least from that movie Concussion with Will Smith.

00:20:56.000 Yeah, I didn't watch that movie.

00:20:58.000 But I've seen that guy, the original doctor, that was the motivation of that movie.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, I think they buried a lot of it, released their own, control it.

00:21:11.000 I mean, I've had my issues with the NFL. I think they're like maybe the most powerful group there is.

00:21:16.000 Various players have filed lawsuits against the league for the concussions, accusing the league of hiding information that linked to head trauma and permanent brain damage, Alzheimer's disease, and dementia.

00:21:26.000 Some teams choose not to draft certain players in the NFL draft due to their past concussion history.

00:21:32.000 And I think that's part of the problem, moving forward with it a little bit, is if you admit it or change, you have this laundry list of lawsuits that can come forward then.

00:21:43.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:47.000 But the more the information comes out, it kind of traps them.

00:21:52.000 It's like, what are you going to do?

00:21:54.000 You have to admit that all those other players...

00:21:56.000 Yeah, well, I think, according to what we just read, and from the way I understand it, You gotta slant it like it's new information.

00:22:04.000 Like, well, we didn't know, so we didn't know that, so how can you hold us responsible?

00:22:08.000 If they can prove, well, you did know that, and you hit it, then I think you had a lot of issues.

00:22:12.000 When did they know?

00:22:13.000 When did they first find out about it?

00:22:15.000 I think a lot of that's in the movies.

00:22:16.000 But there's different studies.

00:22:18.000 The NFL tried to intimidate scientists studying the link between pro football and traumatic brain injury.

00:22:23.000 This is in 2017. Rather than honestly deal with this burgeoning concussion problem, the National Football League went after the reputation of the first doctor to link the sport to degenerative brain disease.

00:22:35.000 He named chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

00:22:39.000 So it was back in 2002. I think that's the guy.

00:22:43.000 Yeah, Dr. Bennett Omalu.

00:22:46.000 Mmm.

00:22:47.000 Yeah.

00:22:49.000 That's real, man.

00:22:50.000 And I think with football, it's probably even more pronounced because if you think about what they're doing, they're running full clip into each other. 0.98

00:22:59.000 So you have these giant super athletes, 300-pound guys capable of generating preposterous amounts of power and force, and they're just fucking... 0.99

00:23:09.000 Boom! 0.99

00:23:10.000 The flip side...

00:23:13.000 I think 99% would sign up for that anyways.

00:23:17.000 Like, I've always said that.

00:23:18.000 If you told me I could be one of those people...

00:23:20.000 No, maybe not now, because I... I don't know about you.

00:23:25.000 I didn't dream I'd have the life I had now, but for 99.9% of Americans, I would think, being a star athlete football player is worth that risk.

00:23:36.000 I think most of them, even if you said, you may get a concussion, you may get brain damage from doing this, they'd still probably do it.

00:23:43.000 I mean, you live a life that You really can't compare to from what?

00:23:49.000 When you're 15 years old or whenever you start being that athlete to well into your 40s, yeah, the end of your life is going to suck, but people don't look forward to that.

00:24:00.000 People don't worry about what's going to happen to them generally when you're 20 at 50. Yeah, they don't think about it.

00:24:07.000 They also think about...

00:24:08.000 Jenny Buffett quote, content to be living and dying in three quarters time.

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:12.000 That's that.

00:24:12.000 It's like live your fullest when you can live.

00:24:15.000 Yeah, and that life, I mean, the life of living a star NFL football player's life, that's a crazy life.

00:24:21.000 You're driving around in a Rolls Royce, you got diamonds on your fingers, like Joe Namath showing up with a fur coat on. 1.00

00:24:27.000 You're the fucking man. 1.00

00:24:28.000 If someone has said, you can do that, but at age 50, you're going to have unbelievable problems. 1.00

00:24:36.000 People don't think about that.

00:24:37.000 And I would say, generally, I even now...

00:24:41.000 Most people would sign that contract.

00:24:43.000 If you told me I was still cold calling my 9 to 5, I'd be like, sign me up. 0.85

00:24:47.000 I'm not worrying about 50. Yeah.

00:24:49.000 And they also think, by the time I'm 50, someone's going to figure out how to fix that.

00:24:54.000 Yes.

00:24:54.000 There's always this thought of medical interventions, stem cells, hyperbaric chambers.

00:25:01.000 Everything.

00:25:01.000 Your office.

00:25:03.000 Come to Joe Rogan's office.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, I think that people don't generally think about the risks in terms of the future.

00:25:13.000 They think, how do I feel right now?

00:25:15.000 Especially fighters.

00:25:16.000 And the glory of winning a fight, the glory of getting your hand raised, it's so above and beyond normal life experiences that even guys who have taken some shots and probably do feel the effects, they take a few months off and They want to get back in there again because it's so much more exciting than regular life.

00:25:38.000 I've been blessed at this point with things that I never thought I'd be able to do ever.

00:25:44.000 Walking in with Patty.

00:25:45.000 I got to walk in with Patty in London.

00:25:48.000 When the crowd was chanting his name, that is still, like, maybe the best thing that I've gotten to do.

00:25:54.000 I can't imagine being a fighter, like, in the tunnel coming out.

00:25:57.000 There is nothing really else like it in sports and anything.

00:26:01.000 The walkout.

00:26:02.000 No, there's nothing like it.

00:26:03.000 I saw you, by the way, roll your eyes when Patty won.

00:26:06.000 Shouldn't have won.

00:26:08.000 I thought it was a close decision.

00:26:11.000 I thought Jared won.

00:26:12.000 I thought Jared Gordon won that fight.

00:26:15.000 It was a good fight.

00:26:17.000 It certainly wasn't a blowout. 0.95

00:26:19.000 It wasn't one of those fights where there's no fucking way. 0.94

00:26:22.000 It was a close fight. 0.96

00:26:24.000 Did you see the Twitter war I got in with a guy after the fact?

00:26:29.000 No.

00:26:30.000 Justin Gaethje.

00:26:31.000 Oh, Justin Gaethje.

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:33.000 He threatened to beat me up.

00:26:35.000 Well, he definitely could.

00:26:37.000 By the way, that's not saying much.

00:26:39.000 Like your producer could beat me up.

00:26:41.000 So that's not much of a threat.

00:26:43.000 I've never been in a physical altercation in my life.

00:26:45.000 He's the most violent man in MMA. Justin Gaethje is a fucking savage. 1.00

00:26:49.000 Is he capable of beating up a civilian? 1.00

00:26:52.000 Would he?

00:26:53.000 No, he wouldn't do that.

00:26:54.000 That's good to know.

00:26:55.000 No, he wouldn't do that. 0.97

00:26:56.000 He's not stupid. 0.99

00:26:57.000 Because this is what happened. 0.94

00:26:59.000 After the fight, Patty in the ring, fight of the night. 0.98

00:27:02.000 He said fight of the night.

00:27:03.000 The third round, they didn't throw a punch.

00:27:05.000 It wasn't fight of the night.

00:27:06.000 But he was talking fight of the night.

00:27:08.000 Patty's our guy.

00:27:09.000 Well, he's just a fun guy.

00:27:10.000 Yeah, so we're saying fight of the night, fight of the night.

00:27:12.000 He got mad at us.

00:27:13.000 He's like, you're trying to steal money from the actual fighters who won fight of the night.

00:27:18.000 We're like, no, he didn't.

00:27:19.000 People went into his background and...

00:27:22.000 Wait, what did he say exactly?

00:27:23.000 What was his quote to me?

00:27:25.000 He said, uh...

00:27:27.000 Embarrassing...

00:27:29.000 What was the...

00:27:30.000 No, he...

00:27:31.000 Something we gotta be better.

00:27:34.000 We don't stand for this.

00:27:36.000 People, the comments littered.

00:27:37.000 He was out with, like, a third world, like, dictator.

00:27:41.000 Oh, the Chechnyan guy. 1.00

00:27:44.000 Yeah, so I hit him back with that.

00:27:45.000 I'm like, you know, we just said Patty was fight of the night.

00:27:48.000 You were out... 0.95

00:27:50.000 The Chechenian dictator is one of the worst guys on the planet. 1.00

00:27:53.000 One thing led to another. 0.99

00:27:54.000 He threatened to beat me up.

00:27:57.000 Yeah, Barstool guys.

00:27:59.000 This makes the Barstool guys look really bad.

00:28:01.000 Bending over for the lad.

00:28:03.000 Fight of the night.

00:28:04.000 Barstool can give him 50k but that performance will never get you a bonus in the octagon.

00:28:09.000 Eh.

00:28:11.000 Eh.

00:28:13.000 I quote tweeted, this makes the Barstool guys look really bad.

00:28:17.000 I said, it's probably there.

00:28:20.000 Oh yeah, there it is.

00:28:23.000 People are telling that Justin Gaethje was recently seen hanging out with a warlord accrues to brutal crimes against humanity, so it's hypocritical for him to say we look bad supporting Patty when he supports a warlord.

00:28:33.000 I'm gonna take the high road, plus not mention it.

00:28:38.000 Yeah, and then he got mad at you for that?

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:41.000 Yeah, he's like, I didn't do that.

00:28:43.000 Find me a picture of me with the warlord.

00:28:45.000 But he does have a picture with his son at his birthday party.

00:28:49.000 Oh.

00:28:50.000 So he got paid to go there with some other guys.

00:28:54.000 There's a lot of guys who got paid to go there.

00:28:56.000 A lot of guys go there.

00:28:58.000 He's been doing that for years.

00:28:59.000 He's a big MMA fan.

00:29:01.000 And he brings over champions.

00:29:04.000 What are your thoughts on that?

00:29:06.000 I don't know exactly what he's done or what he is accused of doing.

00:29:11.000 But I know Chechnya is a brutal part of the world. 0.99

00:29:15.000 There's some fucking crazy shit that's happened in Chechnya. 0.99

00:29:19.000 I mean, that's where Hamzat Shamayev is from. 1.00

00:29:23.000 Hamzat trains with that guy.

00:29:25.000 There's videos of him wrestling with him and grappling with him.

00:29:28.000 I know that he's been involved with a bunch of MMA fighters.

00:29:33.000 That's his thing.

00:29:34.000 You know, he's... 1.00

00:29:36.000 This is a fucking savage dude. 1.00

00:29:38.000 He brings over savages. 1.00

00:29:39.000 It's a savage game.

00:29:41.000 Yeah.

00:29:42.000 Yeah, the Warlord game?

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:45.000 No, the Warlord 3rd, that's a savage game.

00:29:47.000 Yeah, that's an interesting decision, right, to decide to go over there.

00:29:51.000 And many fighters have gone over there.

00:29:53.000 And others haven't.

00:29:54.000 Like, when we did that, some fighters were like, well, I think...

00:29:58.000 Sugar Sean O'Malley.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, he said he ought to offer...

00:29:59.000 Yeah, he wouldn't go.

00:30:01.000 Sugar Sean's the man. 1.00

00:30:04.000 Yeah, he's like, fuck that. 1.00

00:30:05.000 I'm not fucking going there. 1.00

00:30:06.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:30:07.000 I mean, how much is he offering you?

00:30:09.000 Probably a lot, I would guess.

00:30:11.000 I wonder.

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:12.000 Because you have to know...

00:30:14.000 You gotta know.

00:30:15.000 Right.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 And he's out there shooting guns on his ranch or whatever.

00:30:19.000 Yeah, it's not like...

00:30:20.000 He's a warlord.

00:30:22.000 Yes.

00:30:22.000 There's no other way around it.

00:30:24.000 There's no confusion.

00:30:26.000 None.

00:30:26.000 You're like, maybe he's not.

00:30:28.000 Maybe it's propaganda.

00:30:30.000 It's like when you hear things about Zelensky.

00:30:32.000 You're like, well, he started off as a comedian.

00:30:36.000 There's wiggle room.

00:30:37.000 He's being attacked.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:40.000 Is there something where Ukraine is cracking down on the media?

00:30:44.000 Somebody sent me something about Ukraine trying to control the media now.

00:30:50.000 Are we anti-Ukraine?

00:30:52.000 No, no.

00:30:53.000 Why would they crack down on the media?

00:30:55.000 Well, I think because of the war effort.

00:30:57.000 If the media is saying things like, oh, Ukraine is corrupt, or oh, Ukraine has done this...

00:31:03.000 Critics say a new media law signed by Zelensky could restrict press freedom in Ukraine.

00:31:08.000 Lawmakers who passed the bill said it would help meet European Union conditions for membership, but journalists have denounced it as a move towards censorship.

00:31:17.000 Oh. 0.99

00:31:20.000 Imagine if you have to join the European Union, you have to fucking... 0.99

00:31:25.000 What is that? 0.98

00:31:26.000 Some of the law's most stringent provisions were relaxed in response to the criticism.

00:31:30.000 Serious concerns about the independence of the regulatory body remain.

00:31:33.000 Domestic and international news media groups said on Friday, noting that they were still receiving details of the final 279 page legislation.

00:31:40.000 The law expands the authority of Ukraine's state broadcasting regulator to cover the online and print news media.

00:31:48.000 That's not good.

00:31:49.000 Previous drafts gave the regulator the power to find news media outlets, revoke their licenses, temporarily block certain online outlets without a court order, and request that social media platforms and search giants like Google remove content that violates the law.

00:32:07.000 Well, you know, they're doing that over in America.

00:32:09.000 I mean, we found out that because of the Twitter files.

00:32:11.000 When Elon released all the Twitter files, they found that the United States government was actively trying to suppress the voices of certain people that were saying things they found disagreeable on Twitter.

00:32:20.000 It's a fact.

00:32:21.000 Yeah, I got attacked for this take.

00:32:25.000 I said that was like a, and I get it, obviously, but I assume that was like a no duh to me.

00:32:32.000 Like, that's what I expected.

00:32:34.000 Like, I wasn't, like, I get suppressed.

00:32:37.000 Like, the second Elon took over, my Twitter, and I'm sure, I don't know if you use Twitter, but mine went way up.

00:32:43.000 I got 900,000 new followers in, like, a couple of weeks.

00:32:46.000 Correct.

00:32:46.000 It was crazy.

00:32:47.000 I didn't get to that, but I direct up arrow.

00:32:49.000 I went from couldn't gain a follower to up.

00:32:52.000 You're being suppressed.

00:32:53.000 And I knew I was, so I wasn't surprised.

00:32:55.000 That's why I was like, oh, that's not surprising if you're paying attention.

00:32:58.000 I got attacked.

00:32:59.000 People don't pay any attention.

00:33:00.000 They acted like I was on the left on that.

00:33:03.000 It's like, no, I was one of the ones being suppressed. 0.99

00:33:05.000 I'm just saying, yeah, no shit. 1.00

00:33:07.000 That's what they do. 1.00

00:33:08.000 Yeah, I don't complain about that shit, but I'm definitely aware of it. 0.99

00:33:11.000 My Instagram used to move way quicker. 0.99

00:33:13.000 Same.

00:33:14.000 And then something happened a while back where it slowed down by a significant margin, the amount of growth.

00:33:20.000 And I'm like, how do you complain when you have 16 million followers?

00:33:24.000 Do you really complain that you're somehow or another suppressed?

00:33:27.000 Or am I really suppressed?

00:33:28.000 Or maybe it's because I'm not doing reels?

00:33:31.000 Maybe there's a logical reason for it.

00:33:34.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:33:34.000 I mean, I think there's a lot of fucking algorithms and weird shit at play when it comes to Instagram and all those social media companies. 0.99

00:33:42.000 I think there's also... 0.98

00:33:44.000 It's not only the handpicking of people, but if people complain, if they just, this is offensive, this is whatever, there's a certain number of those that will trigger you to get pushed down.

00:33:56.000 Now, for whatever reason...

00:33:58.000 One thing that also I think is kind of self-evident, if you're talking left and right, the left is far more savvy with social media.

00:34:07.000 The right will generally just want to sling it out.

00:34:10.000 They'll let you say anything, and they're not going to complain, and they're not going to try to violate, like, ooh, that's a violation complaint.

00:34:17.000 The left will, and it's a good tactic to get the right off.

00:34:21.000 But it's also because the left is in control of all of the social media platforms, where the right has nothing.

00:34:28.000 100%.

00:34:29.000 I mean, there's no social media platform. 1.00

00:34:31.000 I mean, there's people that are trying to accuse Elon Musk of being right-wing, but I think that's just because Elon Musk has said the Democrats are out of their fucking minds. 0.99

00:34:38.000 He's said what I've said in many different ways. 0.97

00:34:41.000 Now, I don't know how I go back and forth when I feel about Elon.

00:34:43.000 Sometimes I think he's genius.

00:34:46.000 Other times, like, he may be getting a little full of himself.

00:34:49.000 Like, I don't think he bought Twitter for the reasons he's saying he did to be some great humanitarian.

00:34:53.000 I think he could try to, he bought it because he got mad almost, and then he tried to get out of it.

00:34:57.000 But they held, that's the other thing.

00:34:59.000 Like, stop complaining on the left.

00:35:01.000 He tried to withdraw from buying Twitter and the CEO or whatever stuck him to the price because it made money and they got a great price.

00:35:09.000 So...

00:35:09.000 They got a ridiculous price.

00:35:11.000 Ridiculous. 0.98

00:35:11.000 He gave them way more when it's worth. 0.98

00:35:13.000 And he had a mindset of going into it.

00:35:16.000 There was two things going on.

00:35:17.000 One, he believed that it's very bad for democracy in general when you have suppression of free speech.

00:35:24.000 And I agree with that.

00:35:25.000 He really means that.

00:35:26.000 And he sees it happening to him, right?

00:35:29.000 And so he sees it happening to people that he knows and people whose voices he's respected.

00:35:33.000 And he saw that, like, the Babylon Bee got banned.

00:35:37.000 Which is crazy.

00:35:38.000 Which is crazy.

00:35:39.000 Crazy.

00:35:39.000 For calling Rachel Levine the man of the year.

00:35:42.000 Yes.

00:35:42.000 A biological male, calling him the male of the year.

00:35:45.000 Crazy.

00:35:46.000 That's crazy.

00:35:47.000 Yeah, that's so offensive.

00:35:49.000 The Babylon Bee gang kicked off crazy.

00:35:52.000 Yes.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, so he was like, well, that's enough.

00:35:54.000 And then the reason why he tried to pull out of it, he's like, they're not giving me data on the actual amount of fake accounts.

00:36:04.000 Correct.

00:36:04.000 There was a former FBI guy.

00:36:06.000 Pull up that story, Jamie.

00:36:07.000 This former FBI guy estimated the actual amount of fake accounts on Twitter, and he was like, it could be as high as 80%.

00:36:15.000 So if you're buying something, and they say, well, it's 95% people, it's 5% bots, but we're trying to figure that out.

00:36:21.000 And he's like, how are you trying to figure that out?

00:36:23.000 Show me.

00:36:23.000 And they won't show him.

00:36:24.000 And he's like, show me your data that shows you.

00:36:26.000 And they show him 100 accounts.

00:36:28.000 They went over 100 accounts. 0.99

00:36:30.000 Over 80% of Twitter accounts are likely bots, former FBI security specialist, which is fucking wild. 0.98

00:36:38.000 So that's like 20% of the people on Twitter are actual humans and 80% of it is propaganda either by publicity firms or super PACs or whoever the fuck is trying to manipulate narratives. 0.87

00:36:50.000 And one of the things you saw with Elon was like there's a bunch of tweets that people retweeted.

00:36:56.000 They're from wildly different accounts.

00:36:59.000 That were all the exact same tweet.

00:37:00.000 And he's like, these are bots.

00:37:02.000 There's a thousand percent bots.

00:37:04.000 I mean, I went through a phase, like, if I posted something, it was all bots.

00:37:08.000 A hundred percent.

00:37:09.000 So I don't...

00:37:10.000 There's a million percent bots.

00:37:12.000 They probably weren't giving the right information.

00:37:14.000 But he did want to pull out.

00:37:16.000 Well, I think if they found out that information, Twitter would be worth substantially less.

00:37:22.000 And that's also what he was trying to do.

00:37:25.000 I think he's trying to probably talk them into a better price. 0.74

00:37:28.000 Because if you find out that a company is 95% horseshit or 80% horseshit and 20% what they say it is, if that gets out, that's devastating to the company. 0.93

00:37:41.000 100%. 1.00

00:37:41.000 He also has such fuck you money, though. 1.00

00:37:44.000 He was upset about the suppressing, and I'd probably be the same way if I had that type of money. 1.00

00:37:49.000 It's like, I'm just going to fucking buy you. 0.98

00:37:50.000 And that's essentially what he did. 0.99

00:37:52.000 And I do think...

00:37:53.000 Like you said, the bots and going back and forth.

00:37:55.000 He wanted to get out.

00:37:56.000 That's the one thing, though, the Twitter approach where everyone's like, I'm going to get off my...

00:38:00.000 My dad was one of those guys.

00:38:01.000 I'm leaving Twitter.

00:38:02.000 It's like, what are you talking about, Dad?

00:38:03.000 Why was he leaving Twitter?

00:38:04.000 Because Elon.

00:38:04.000 My dad is like a very liberal guy.

00:38:10.000 Like, hated Trump. 0.85

00:38:12.000 Hates him. 0.94

00:38:13.000 Hated him before he became president. 0.99

00:38:15.000 Just hate him.

00:38:15.000 So I interviewed Trump, and I FaceTimed.

00:38:18.000 I tried to keep it a secret, and I FaceTimed him when I was doing it just to see my dad's reaction.

00:38:24.000 He turtled.

00:38:24.000 My dad turtled when he saw me.

00:38:25.000 He's like, oh, hi.

00:38:26.000 But, I mean, he hates him.

00:38:29.000 Hates him.

00:38:30.000 But he's one of those guys.

00:38:31.000 And my dad's one of those guys.

00:38:32.000 So it's been interesting with my dad because I have been...

00:38:37.000 Relentlessly attacked by the left.

00:38:39.000 And he is a left guy.

00:38:40.000 So we get these little things.

00:38:43.000 I'm like, do you still think the New York Times is unbiased?

00:38:45.000 And he can't answer.

00:38:47.000 He's like, well, do you think Fox News is unbiased?

00:38:48.000 I'm like, no, definitely not.

00:38:50.000 But do you think the New York Times?

00:38:51.000 He has a very hard time bringing himself to it.

00:38:53.000 But it is eye-opening for him, I think.

00:38:55.000 I think it's eye-opening for a lot of people, but for a lot of people for a long time, that information never got to them.

00:39:01.000 They didn't really know.

00:39:03.000 That's one of the most substantial and significant aspects of Elon buying Twitter, is these files being released, where you're getting to see the actual involvement of intelligence agencies, the actual banned lists and blocked lists and shadow banned and how they're suppressing People's signals. 0.99

00:39:23.000 It's pretty fucking wild shit. 0.64

00:39:25.000 And it's almost entirely done to people that are on the right. 1.00

00:39:29.000 And then the people that are on the left that are dissenters, right?

00:39:33.000 The people that went along with the Great Barrington Declaration and didn't think that we should shut the country down during the pandemic.

00:39:40.000 And the Great Barrington Declaration.

00:39:42.000 I have no idea what that is.

00:39:44.000 Legitimate scientists, like top of the food chain, epidemiologists, virologists who said that we are handling the pandemic absolutely wrong.

00:39:52.000 And then there's internal emails and memos from Fauci calling to publicly discredit these people who were...

00:39:59.000 Legitimate, like, absolute top-of-board scientists that were saying that this is not how you handle a viral pandemic and that we don't need to do it this way.

00:40:10.000 And they were suppressed.

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 See, that's one of those issues that will get, I know for a fact, you suppressed on social media.

00:40:18.000 Like, COVID was the all-time.

00:40:20.000 Like, I went back and forth on it.

00:40:22.000 And because in the beginning...

00:40:25.000 Like the wearing the masks.

00:40:27.000 I was like, I don't know if there's science.

00:40:30.000 I don't know if it's true.

00:40:30.000 I do know this.

00:40:31.000 If there's a.00001% chance that you can get COVID or whatever they're saying gone, I'll wear a fucking mask. 1.00

00:40:39.000 What do I care? 0.99

00:40:39.000 It doesn't matter. 0.99

00:40:40.000 I don't think they should shut down business.

00:40:42.000 I thought it was totally up to them.

00:40:43.000 So I became pretty pro-small business, let people make their own decisions, but that slant will hurt you on social media.

00:40:52.000 Yeah, it would then more than it does now. 0.95

00:40:54.000 But as time goes on, more and more information comes out about how deceptive they were about their studies and how many actual risks there are involved in the vaccines and how much damage it did to small businesses and all that shit.

00:41:08.000 When that starts coming out more and more and more, there's so many people that had this like...

00:41:14.000 Doug their heels in stance on what is right and what is wrong and now they're being forced to reevaluate and it's also they're they're confronted with the overwhelming evidence that Pharmaceutical companies have been doing this forever.

00:41:26.000 They've never been honest about stuff.

00:41:28.000 They've always hit information Not only have they hit information They've actually the way they run their studies is so fascinating because when a son when when you know you hear like peer-reviewed studies The scientists that evaluate peer-reviewed studies from pharmaceutical companies don't get the data.

00:41:45.000 They get the review of the data by the pharmaceutical companies and then they study that.

00:41:50.000 So do you trust anybody then?

00:41:52.000 Like even here we're pulling up articles.

00:41:55.000 And who knows who wrote these articles?

00:41:58.000 I've always said about me, there's articles that we could pull up on me, and I'd read it, and I'd be like, this guy's Hitler. 0.82

00:42:04.000 Like, honestly, they're that bad. 0.99

00:42:06.000 And if somebody just read it and didn't do it, they'd be like, no shit, this guy's the worst guy on the planet. 1.00

00:42:11.000 Right. 0.86

00:42:12.000 But that's why freedom of information is so important and freedom of expression is so important because you've got to be able to find out what's true and what's not.

00:42:22.000 And the only way is you get differing opinions, differing perspectives.

00:42:26.000 If someone could write a very biased perspective on you and they're doing it on purpose, it's a hit piece.

00:42:31.000 They're trying to make you look bad.

00:42:33.000 But then someone can write a glowing review that might ignore some of your flaws and some of the things you have done, and that's not real either.

00:42:39.000 It's like you need to sort it out over time, and the only way that gets done is through freedom of information, freedom of expression. 0.97

00:42:46.000 And if we don't have that, we're fucked, because then whoever's in control of the media, who's ever in control of social media, or whatever the narrative is, they're the ones who get to dictate what's real and what's not real, and you can convince a lot of fucking people that things aren't true. 0.78

00:43:00.000 Yeah, so do you try, like, if you're trying to read up on something, I'm talking now the major, like, outlets. 0.99

00:43:08.000 So whether it be you go on Twitter, Facebook, but I'm going to New York Times, Washington Post, they're one side, Fox News is the other.

00:43:15.000 Is there any place where you're like, I'm going to get a clean slate?

00:43:18.000 Not from...

00:43:19.000 I don't think from mainstream media.

00:43:21.000 I think, first of all, mainstream media is so controlled by advertising.

00:43:25.000 There's so many...

00:43:27.000 Like, if you know that 75% of all advertising on television is pharmaceutical companies.

00:43:33.000 75%. 1.00

00:43:33.000 That's a big fucking number. 1.00

00:43:36.000 If you think... 0.99

00:43:37.000 That they are going to have an unbiased, negative perspective on pharmaceutical drugs, on the pharmaceutical industry.

00:43:44.000 That's not going to happen.

00:43:46.000 They're going to suppress that because that's bad for their business.

00:43:49.000 It'll shut them down. 0.99

00:43:51.000 If they lost 75% of their advertisement, they would fucking go under. 0.99

00:43:55.000 Think about a company like CNN, right? 0.99

00:43:57.000 CNN is already hemorrhaging money, hemorrhaging viewers.

00:44:01.000 I mean, they've dropped radically since Trump left office, right? 1.00

00:44:05.000 If they came out and started attacking pharmaceutical companies and they lost all their ads, they're fucked. 0.96

00:44:11.000 So you're not going to get an unbiased, really honest perspective on anything that has to do with pharmaceutical companies when it comes to CNN or when it comes to any of these mainstream news platforms that rely on pharmaceutical companies for ads. 0.98

00:44:27.000 I mean, I don't think any of those are.

00:44:29.000 The ones you just mentioned, I mean, I'm super jaded now at this point, but And then you have ideological perspectives.

00:44:35.000 You have the people that are in these ideological camps where you, this is this and that is that, and you can't differ from, you can't like have any sort of nuanced perspective or look at people that have a different point of view in a charitable way.

00:44:51.000 You can't do that because then you're a sympathizer or you're platforming these bad and evil people and you're carrying water. 1.00

00:45:00.000 There's all these stupid fucking phrases that they like to use. 1.00

00:45:02.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:45:03.000 See how quick they jump.

00:45:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:04.000 But also, they're fucking dying too. 0.99

00:45:07.000 All those media companies, nobody trusts them anymore. 0.98

00:45:11.000 And the reason why nobody trusts them anymore is because they're not trustworthy.

00:45:14.000 It's real simple.

00:45:15.000 It's real clear. 0.98

00:45:16.000 It's not like fucking, you know. 0.99

00:45:18.000 So you last that cigar with one light up, huh? 0.99

00:45:22.000 No, I had to hit it a second time.

00:45:24.000 Okay, good.

00:45:24.000 I hit it with this little lighter.

00:45:26.000 It just wasn't as loud.

00:45:28.000 Good.

00:45:30.000 Yeah, it goes out.

00:45:31.000 I think that, you know, it's an interesting time, though, because it's caused the emergence of...

00:45:36.000 You.

00:45:37.000 Well, me, yeah, but also independent journalism.

00:45:40.000 Like, guys like Matt Taibbi, guys who were with these corporate news structures who left, and now they're doing it on their own.

00:45:47.000 Glenn Greenwald, you know, Crystal and Sagar from Breaking Points.

00:45:51.000 All these kind of people that you can trust, because even if you don't agree with them, you know they're not lying.

00:45:56.000 That's all I need.

00:45:58.000 You can have opinions that I don't agree with, and I 100% support your ability to do that.

00:46:03.000 I don't want to suppress people I don't agree with, but I want you to be honest.

00:46:07.000 I want you to tell me what the actual data says, and even if your perspective on that data I don't agree with, at least I know you're telling me the truth.

00:46:14.000 That's all I need.

00:46:16.000 And there's not a lot of that in mainstream media, and that's why mainstream media is dying.

00:46:21.000 It's controlled by these corporate interests that really care more about money than they do about anything else.

00:46:28.000 If you think that the Washington Post or the New York Times is really just about getting out the truth, that's not real.

00:46:35.000 No, and those two are extreme examples at this point.

00:46:38.000 They have an ideology that they adhere to.

00:46:41.000 I don't know what the right word is.

00:46:45.000 If I wasn't doing what I was doing, I would still, because I don't pay enough close attention, I would still sort of believe the New York Times was like a real thing.

00:46:54.000 I just grew up.

00:46:55.000 New York Times, oh yeah, why would they have...

00:46:57.000 If I didn't have a podcast, and I didn't talk to people all the time, and talk to people from different walks of life, and different...

00:47:05.000 Perspectives and different careers.

00:47:07.000 I would have no idea.

00:47:08.000 I would have no idea.

00:47:09.000 If I was just a comic, I would kind of vaguely know that they're probably corrupt. 1.00

00:47:14.000 Vaguely know that they're full of shit. 1.00

00:47:15.000 But if I read something, I was like, oh my god, this is terrible. 1.00

00:47:17.000 I would just take it at face value.

00:47:19.000 Especially if you have a regular job. 1.00

00:47:22.000 Where you don't have the time to be looking into this shit. 0.99

00:47:24.000 You're busy all day, and then maybe you have a family and obligations and fucking bills that are piling up, and you don't have the time to be sorting out whether or not the Washington Post is being honest about gender-affirming care. 0.99

00:47:36.000 And on top of that, Twitter is... 0.94

00:47:41.000 Not the real world.

00:47:42.000 It's important, but you step outside, you walk down the street, and most people don't even know what's going on at Twitter.

00:47:49.000 We're in it, so you see it, and you pay attention to what people are saying.

00:47:54.000 But I always, if I'm in the center of a controversy, something's going on, I focus like, oh my god, the world, everything's happening here, and then you go outside, nobody knows.

00:48:04.000 I think Twitter's radioactive.

00:48:07.000 I think you can stay in it and you'll get sick.

00:48:10.000 That's what I think. 0.99

00:48:11.000 I think but if you just visit briefly and get the fuck out of there and then take care of yourself, you're gonna be alright. 0.97

00:48:16.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:48:16.000 I don't think it's good for people. 0.98

00:48:18.000 It's the old Ricky Gervais.

00:48:20.000 He's like my favorite comedian of all time.

00:48:22.000 He had a quote.

00:48:23.000 Do you like Ricky Treface?

00:48:24.000 Yeah, he's great.

00:48:26.000 He has one about Twitter that someone posts something in a town square.

00:48:31.000 I'm botching his line.

00:48:32.000 It has nothing to do with you, but people run up to it just to complain about it.

00:48:35.000 That's kind of it.

00:48:37.000 It's an echo chamber.

00:48:38.000 It's a type of toxic.

00:48:39.000 It's also, I think, legitimately bad for mental health to communicate that way.

00:48:44.000 To communicate just through text and it's almost all of it is aggressive and almost all of it is insulting and almost all of it is disparaging of people.

00:48:51.000 The amount of like anti or negative tweets versus positive tweets.

00:48:55.000 I mean I wonder if anybody's done a study of that.

00:48:57.000 Like how much negative tweeting versus positive tweeting.

00:49:01.000 Probably, I guess, like 90%.

00:49:02.000 It's probably somewhere like that.

00:49:04.000 It's just bad for you.

00:49:05.000 It's bad for you to... 1.00

00:49:06.000 If you went to a bar, and every time you went to a bar, people were fucking arguing and screaming at each other, you'd be like, fuck this bar. 1.00

00:49:13.000 100%. 1.00

00:49:13.000 This ain't fun. 1.00

00:49:14.000 I want to go have a good time.

00:49:15.000 I don't want to be around these people.

00:49:16.000 It's not a normal way for human beings to communicate where they're not looking at each other across a table, having a drink, just looking at each other as another human, appreciating each other as a person, a human being. 0.95

00:49:30.000 When you just see text on a screen and you're like, I'm going to fuck this guy up, and you go... 0.60

00:49:34.000 And it's easy to do it. 0.98

00:49:36.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 You can say whatever you want.

00:49:39.000 There's been plenty of times I've seen examples where someone tracks down, like, It's not normal.

00:49:51.000 Humans are supposed to communicate with words in front of each other.

00:49:54.000 That's how we evolved.

00:49:56.000 That's what we're capable of understanding and appreciating And you know when someone's bullshitting you, and you know when someone's got a secret agenda, you're like, this guy's kind of a creep.

00:50:06.000 You get it.

00:50:07.000 And then you get some people like, I really like talking to that guy.

00:50:10.000 And then you can't wait to talk to him again.

00:50:11.000 And then you kind of have an agreement.

00:50:13.000 When you see each other, you know that he likes you, and you know that you like him, and you know he's a nice guy, and he knows you're a nice guy.

00:50:19.000 And you're generally, let me buy you a drink.

00:50:20.000 All right, let's have a drink.

00:50:21.000 And you never know your Twitter.

00:50:22.000 It's like you could be getting worked up on what an eight-year-old says.

00:50:25.000 You have no idea.

00:50:26.000 Or a bot.

00:50:27.000 Yeah.

00:50:27.000 There's a lot of that.

00:50:29.000 There's a lot of that. 1.00

00:50:29.000 And there's, you know, these Macedonian fucking troll farms. 1.00

00:50:32.000 So they have thousands and thousands of accounts and they're just trying to undermine democracy 24 hours a day. 0.99

00:50:38.000 And they're literally being state sponsored to do that.

00:50:40.000 There's that too.

00:50:42.000 And that riles people up.

00:50:43.000 You know, they found out that like 19, the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook were run by troll farms.

00:50:49.000 No, I didn't know that.

00:50:50.000 Nineteen.

00:50:51.000 So there's nineteen out of the top twenty Facebook Christian pages that are not real.

00:50:57.000 All they are is riling up people against whatever it is, Islamic people or gay people or transgender people, whatever it is. 0.99

00:51:06.000 They're just trying to get people to argue about shit, getting people angry about shit. 0.99

00:51:10.000 It's really easy to do that, too. 1.00

00:51:12.000 Very easy.

00:51:13.000 So I think the solution is post and ghost. 0.99

00:51:16.000 Post shit that you want, don't read the comments, get the fuck out of there, and don't engage in back and forth disagreements with people. 0.99

00:51:23.000 It's so much easier. 1.00

00:51:24.000 I don't, but it's so much easier said than done to so many people.

00:51:27.000 You preach that, it's hard to do.

00:51:30.000 It's very hard to do.

00:51:31.000 And also, I have a podcast, so I can actually sit down and talk to people, which most people don't have, right?

00:51:36.000 So you don't have that opportunity to work things out with someone and try to find out what they really feel and what they believe face-to-face in front of them.

00:51:43.000 It's the best way to talk.

00:51:44.000 It's the best way to communicate ideas. 0.98

00:51:46.000 And so I don't communicate ideas in a piss-poor way because I think that way sucks.

00:51:51.000 And so if I get to do the best way all the time, which I do, why would I engage in the worst way?

00:51:57.000 Like, just back and forth with people on Twitter that just want to make you feel bad.

00:52:01.000 Like, not interested in that.

00:52:03.000 Do you have any dream guests?

00:52:04.000 No.

00:52:05.000 None?

00:52:06.000 Mm-mm.

00:52:06.000 Never?

00:52:07.000 No.

00:52:09.000 I like talking to people.

00:52:10.000 I don't care who they are.

00:52:11.000 I mean, I like talking to my friends.

00:52:13.000 I like talking to...

00:52:14.000 I had a lady in recently that was a beekeeper. 1.00

00:52:17.000 I saw that.

00:52:18.000 I had a guy the other day that he has a giant piece of land in Alaska and they're finding woolly mammoth bones.

00:52:24.000 I like that.

00:52:25.000 That's what I like.

00:52:26.000 I like talking to fighters.

00:52:27.000 I like talking to you.

00:52:28.000 I like talking to whoever.

00:52:29.000 I just like talking to people.

00:52:30.000 It's fun.

00:52:31.000 I like...

00:52:32.000 Seeing how different people see this world, it enhances my perspective.

00:52:37.000 I've gotten through this podcast a very unexpected and accidental education.

00:52:42.000 That's what I think.

00:52:44.000 So because of that, I don't have any desire to communicate in an ineffective way that makes me feel bad and read a bunch of mean things that people say about you and just go back and forth with them and saying things that's not true.

00:52:56.000 You're welcome to have your thoughts.

00:52:58.000 Good luck.

00:52:59.000 I'm not going to engage in that.

00:53:00.000 See, I'm like a...

00:53:03.000 Petty person.

00:53:04.000 I'm quite petty, actually.

00:53:06.000 So, like, if somebody says something I don't like, not once, but if someone says it a bunch, I keep a record.

00:53:16.000 I keep a mental record.

00:53:18.000 The champagne bottles?

00:53:20.000 Champagne bottles, yeah.

00:53:21.000 That I became...

00:53:23.000 That's something so...

00:53:26.000 I have champagne bottles engraved with the top of the list enemies of mine. 1.00

00:53:33.000 And I wait for them to fuck up. 1.00

00:53:36.000 And then I popped them. 0.99

00:53:38.000 So like the most famous example of that is John Skipper, the old ESPN guy.

00:53:43.000 I don't know who that is.

00:53:44.000 He ran ESPN. Dana just talked about it the other day because he said he was anti-MMA. The deal never would have happened.

00:53:51.000 He ran ESPN. So we had a show on ESPN, Barstool Van Talk.

00:53:57.000 And it maybe set a record last one episode.

00:54:00.000 He canceled it for things we said, which in hindsight, I wish we didn't say them the way we did.

00:54:06.000 But it was years in the past.

00:54:08.000 So we launched one episode.

00:54:10.000 ESPN had a multi little uprising about doing business with us.

00:54:14.000 And they canceled after one episode.

00:54:17.000 They didn't tell us.

00:54:17.000 And John Skipper was quoted.

00:54:20.000 As saying, I didn't realize Barstool Vantock, that was the name of the show, Barstool Vantock, would be associated with Barstool.

00:54:26.000 That was a direct quote he had.

00:54:29.000 So, we put him on a champagne bottle.

00:54:32.000 Literally, like, three days later, he got blackmailed by his Coke dealer.

00:54:36.000 Supposedly.

00:54:37.000 This is what happened.

00:54:38.000 It had to step down.

00:54:40.000 According to John...

00:54:41.000 It's the only time he used this guy.

00:54:43.000 He found a random Coke dealer off the street, impossible to believe, and got blackmailed.

00:54:47.000 So he popped the champagne bottle.

00:54:49.000 It was perfect timing.

00:54:51.000 He had to leave ESPN because of a Coke dealer?

00:54:54.000 That's the story.

00:54:56.000 That's the story.

00:54:57.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 And then he went over to run DAZN. Oh, he runs DAZN now?

00:55:04.000 He used to.

00:55:04.000 He doesn't anymore.

00:55:06.000 So yeah, but the champagne bottles.

00:55:08.000 And then HBO did a quick little documentary on us.

00:55:12.000 I thought it was going to be fair and even.

00:55:14.000 That's one of the last times I'll...

00:55:15.000 That was almost the last time I believed the media would be fair.

00:55:18.000 It wasn't.

00:55:19.000 It was a hit piece, but they showed the champagne bottles so people became aware of it.

00:55:23.000 That's funny.

00:55:25.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 That's funny.

00:55:27.000 So I am petty in that respect.

00:55:28.000 Well, you should be petty about that. 1.00

00:55:30.000 This is fucking so stupid. 1.00

00:55:31.000 The guy was doing coke. 1.00

00:55:33.000 Imagine getting black... 1.00

00:55:35.000 And by the way, who... 0.92

00:55:36.000 Like, if he's just like...

00:55:38.000 I don't know, maybe I'm naive, but to be like, yeah, I've done coke.

00:55:41.000 Like, who cares?

00:55:42.000 Yeah, I think in that world, you can't even admit you did coke.

00:55:45.000 Which is crazy. 1.00

00:55:46.000 It's a stupid world. 1.00

00:55:48.000 It's a stupid world where you have to pretend to be a fake person. 1.00

00:55:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:51.000 Look at these people in Good Morning America that are having an affair. 1.00

00:55:54.000 John Skipper details his ESPN exit and a cocaine extortion plot.

00:56:01.000 27 years.

00:56:02.000 Jesus Christ.

00:56:03.000 The guy did good work, so he likes to do a little coke.

00:56:06.000 He had a substance addiction.

00:56:08.000 What did it say there?

00:56:09.000 He's an addiction.

00:56:10.000 I don't even think he admitted to that.

00:56:12.000 He's just like, I tried it.

00:56:14.000 He's the only guy.

00:56:15.000 But he called it.

00:56:15.000 He called it a substance addiction.

00:56:17.000 Did he?

00:56:17.000 Yeah.

00:56:17.000 John Skipper suddenly resigned.

00:56:19.000 I thought he said it once.

00:56:20.000 Yeah.

00:56:21.000 To seek treatment.

00:56:22.000 That's what you do when you get busted.

00:56:23.000 Skipper, 62, the married father of two sons, was raised in North Carolina. 0.99

00:56:26.000 I don't give a fuck where he's at. 0.99

00:56:28.000 27 years at Disney. 1.00

00:56:29.000 They washed down the toilet for a little coke.

00:56:31.000 Meanwhile, you look at the body of work that he did.

00:56:33.000 Did he do a good job?

00:56:34.000 I don't know. 0.96

00:56:35.000 But I mean, if you kept him fucking hired for that long, I would assume he was doing good work. 1.00

00:56:39.000 Fucking knuckleheads. 1.00

00:56:40.000 He says he did it on his own. 1.00

00:56:41.000 That he resigned.

00:56:43.000 Just a little blow. 0.55

00:56:43.000 Who cares? 0.55

00:56:44.000 Who cares?

00:56:44.000 I think I wrote that.

00:56:46.000 Most likely...

00:56:48.000 How did I phrase it?

00:56:50.000 Not necessarily do it, but people act like Coke.

00:56:53.000 I don't know what they act like. 0.99

00:56:54.000 It's like if you haven't been around Coke in your life, you're probably a loser.

00:56:58.000 Honestly, if you haven't been around it, I'm not going to say do it, but if you haven't been around it at least once, you're probably not the most fun person ever.

00:57:06.000 Yeah, I've been around it.

00:57:07.000 I've never done it.

00:57:08.000 But I had a friend in high school, and his cousin was addicted to coke.

00:57:12.000 And this was a formative period of my life when I was doing martial arts.

00:57:18.000 And for the longest time, like from age 15 to 21, I did no partying.

00:57:24.000 All I did was train.

00:57:26.000 I mean, I trained every day.

00:57:27.000 I just ate clean.

00:57:29.000 I slept well.

00:57:31.000 How old were you?

00:57:32.000 15 to 21. From 15 to 21. How'd you get into that?

00:57:39.000 I was bullied, like most people.

00:57:42.000 I didn't know how to fight.

00:57:44.000 I was scared.

00:57:44.000 And I was like, I need to learn how to fight.

00:57:46.000 And I joined a martial arts school, and I just got obsessed with it.

00:57:50.000 Because that's early.

00:57:52.000 The reason I'm asking, that's before the trend of MMA. Yeah, but martial arts had always been around.

00:57:56.000 I was a big Bruce Lee fan, Chuck Norris fan. 0.99

00:58:00.000 I watched a bunch of those movies and shit. 0.99

00:58:01.000 God, man, amazing to do that. 0.98

00:58:04.000 How cool would it be to be able to do that?

00:58:05.000 And then I watched a bunch of kickboxing matches and I got into it.

00:58:08.000 And then coming home from a Red Sox game.

00:58:11.000 It's a crazy story.

00:58:12.000 I had already been taking karate a little bit, but it was too far from my house.

00:58:17.000 It was hard to get there.

00:58:18.000 My parents didn't want to drive me.

00:58:20.000 And this place was right off the tee.

00:58:22.000 So I was at Fenway Park with a buddy of mine, went to see a baseball game, and then I was like 14 or 15. And when we were walking home from the baseball game, there was so many people waiting in line for the tee.

00:58:33.000 You know how it is after the game. 0.94

00:58:35.000 So we decided to just fucking walk upstairs and see what this Taekwondo school was all about. 0.90

00:58:41.000 And as I was walking up the stairs, I was hearing this sound. 0.96

00:58:45.000 And it was like, whoomp!

00:58:47.000 Ka-chink! 1.00

00:58:48.000 Like, it was whoomp!

00:58:49.000 Ka-chink! 1.00

00:58:50.000 And what it was, was this guy kicking this heavy bag.

00:58:54.000 And the bag was flying.

00:58:56.000 And the ka-chink was the chains that was holding the bag. 1.00

00:58:59.000 And I got up there at the top of the stairs and watched this guy, John Lee, who was the national champion, who was training for the World Cup.

00:59:09.000 So he's at his peak of training.

00:59:12.000 And he was doing a spinning back kick over and over again into this heavy bag.

00:59:19.000 And I remember watching it and I could not believe what he could do.

00:59:24.000 I couldn't believe the power that this guy could generate in that kick.

00:59:28.000 And he became like a mentor to me.

00:59:31.000 And this guy who was like this wild street guy from Chelsea, Massachusetts, who was this elite Taekwondo fighter.

00:59:38.000 He wasn't like, you know, like Bao.

00:59:40.000 He was like, hey, what's up? 0.99

00:59:41.000 What the fuck are you doing, man? 0.98

00:59:43.000 He was a funny dude. 1.00

00:59:44.000 He would eat food right before he fought. 1.00

00:59:47.000 Ah, fuck these people, man. 1.00

00:59:48.000 I'm going to fuck these dudes up. 1.00

00:59:49.000 He was a street guy who was really good at martial arts. 0.99

00:59:52.000 I mean, he bowed and said yes, sir, to everybody and all that stuff.

00:59:54.000 But when people were not around, he was just cool.

00:59:58.000 He was hanging out.

00:59:59.000 He had drug problems.

01:00:00.000 There was a lot going on.

01:00:01.000 But in that moment where I saw him, he was 27 years old.

01:00:05.000 He was in the prime of his career.

01:00:07.000 And he was the elite of the elite.

01:00:09.000 And that's how you got hooked.

01:00:10.000 I got hooked.

01:00:11.000 Hooked.

01:00:12.000 Hooked behind the scenes. 0.99

01:00:13.000 I went there the next day, I signed up, and I was there every fucking day. 0.99

01:00:18.000 Every day. 0.98

01:00:19.000 Yeah, I became obsessed.

01:00:21.000 Interesting.

01:00:22.000 So, I didn't want to do anything that fucked me up.

01:00:25.000 And my friend Jimmy, his cousin, was selling coke.

01:00:29.000 And I knew his cousin Mike from, like, when he wasn't selling coke.

01:00:33.000 Like, he was a mechanic, he was a cool guy, you know, fixed my car for me. 0.99

01:00:37.000 He was just a fucking guy from the neighborhood. 0.98

01:00:39.000 We hang out with him. 1.00

01:00:40.000 And then him and his girl got into coke bad.

01:00:42.000 He was selling coke. 1.00

01:00:43.000 And then he was just fucking emaciated. 1.00

01:00:45.000 He looked like he got bit by a vampire. 0.99

01:00:47.000 And they would hide in an attic apartment.

01:00:49.000 They would just go in that attic apartment and do coke every day. 1.00

01:00:52.000 And I was like, fuck coke. 1.00

01:00:54.000 That's hardcore to get hooked like that. 1.00

01:00:56.000 He got hooked.

01:00:57.000 Well, he was also selling it.

01:00:58.000 So he had all this access to coke.

01:01:00.000 But it was people in the neighborhood, I saw them doing coke, and they just wanted to do coke all the time.

01:01:05.000 They wanted to get out and do coke.

01:01:07.000 As a kid who was like finally I was a loser my whole life and then finally when I was 15 I found this thing that I got obsessed with that Changed the way people looked at me like I was now all of a sudden I was good at something like really good at something and then I became state champion four years in a row and I won the US Open and I won these national tournaments and it was a big fucking deal for me So I was like I'm not doing anything that jeopardizes that right and coke to me was the big one like I knew that that was it I feel like If I got drunk,

01:01:36.000 which I did occasionally, I would feel like shit the next day. 0.97

01:01:39.000 I couldn't train well. 0.98

01:01:40.000 I was hungover, and I'd get beat up in sparring.

01:01:44.000 I was like, I can't do this.

01:01:45.000 So I just caught most partying.

01:01:47.000 Like, I smoked pot a handful of times.

01:01:50.000 I got drunk a handful of times during high school and in my early 20s.

01:01:54.000 And then I just, in the comedy world, Coke was a problem with there, too.

01:02:00.000 I used to work at Nick's Comedy Stop in Boston.

01:02:03.000 Yeah, sure.

01:02:04.000 And they offered to pay me in Coke or money.

01:02:08.000 Like, when you work there for a weekend, like, you want to get paid in Coke or you want to get paid in money?

01:02:12.000 An even trade?

01:02:13.000 Like, same amount of Coke, the dollar value?

01:02:15.000 Well, some guys went half-half.

01:02:15.000 Yeah.

01:02:16.000 Some guys went half-half.

01:02:17.000 I guess.

01:02:18.000 If you like it, it's easy access.

01:02:20.000 But there were so many guys that got hooked on Coke.

01:02:22.000 I knew so many guys that had Coke problems.

01:02:23.000 And I was like, that is a pitfall.

01:02:25.000 I wanted to succeed.

01:02:27.000 And I felt like that was one...

01:02:29.000 And also it was a drug that got you hyped up.

01:02:31.000 Yeah, right.

01:02:32.000 I like being hyped up.

01:02:33.000 And my friend Jimmy said to me, he goes, don't do coke, you'll like it.

01:02:37.000 I was like, oh no.

01:02:39.000 I'll never forget this.

01:02:40.000 It was me and my friend Steve.

01:02:42.000 We were driving home from Kelly's Roast Beef in Revere, Massachusetts.

01:02:47.000 Yep.

01:02:48.000 Overrated.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, a little overrated.

01:02:50.000 The beef is, but...

01:02:50.000 Yeah, the clams are pretty good.

01:02:52.000 Yeah.

01:02:52.000 So we were driving, and there was a car next to us, and they had the dome light on, and there was a girl in the backseat doing blow off a mirror.

01:02:59.000 So she's there doing blow, and she looks over at us, and I'm looking over to her, and she goes... 0.78

01:03:05.000 Just for no reason. 1.00

01:03:07.000 Just fuck you! 1.00

01:03:08.000 I mean, that's Revere Beach. 1.00

01:03:10.000 But that's Coke, too.

01:03:11.000 And I was like, no Coke.

01:03:13.000 And then I also had another buddy who got arrested who was selling Coke.

01:03:17.000 And he got arrested for murder.

01:03:19.000 And this was a scary murder.

01:03:22.000 How close were you with this guy?

01:03:24.000 He's a training partner of mine.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, I knew him very well.

01:03:27.000 I don't think he did that murder.

01:03:29.000 He might have did that murder.

01:03:30.000 He won't... 1.00

01:03:31.000 He did some shit. 1.00

01:03:32.000 He wound up going to jail. 1.00

01:03:33.000 He went to jail for quite a long time, quite a few years, and then he came out, and he was just a totally different person. 0.68

01:03:40.000 He came out super jacked, and he had a bunch of really bad tattoos, and all of them were now these heavy keloid scars, like he had burned off his tattoos or cut off his tattoos or some shit. 0.98

01:03:52.000 I don't know what he did in prison. 0.67

01:03:53.000 He was real vague about it. 0.99

01:03:55.000 But when he came out like he was a fucking different human. 0.98

01:03:59.000 He was an animal You didn't want if you sparred him like when we sparred they weren't sparring matches They were fights like they were full-on fights like we would spar like we were trying to kill each other it was very dangerous and He was doing I know he was selling coke and doing coke and then he got arrested for this murder where they took this guy and And again, 0.99

01:04:22.000 I don't know if he did it, but he did get arrested and then released.

01:04:26.000 They broke all the bones in this guy's body with a hammer, and they kept injecting him with cocaine to keep him awake.

01:04:34.000 What?

01:04:34.000 Yeah.

01:04:35.000 And then they cut his hands off, and they cut his head off, and then they left his body somewhere.

01:04:41.000 And I think the idea of cutting his hands off was to hide his fingerprints.

01:04:45.000 And then this dude got arrested for that crime.

01:04:48.000 And I was like, jeez. 0.99

01:04:49.000 So it was more evidence to me like, coke is fucking crazy business. 0.96

01:04:53.000 I mean, yeah, well, you just described the guy. 0.98

01:04:57.000 It's not funny, but I mean, getting all his bones smashed with the hammer, his hands, did you say his head cut off?

01:05:04.000 Yeah, they cut his head off, cut his hands off. 0.64

01:05:08.000 Yeah.

01:05:09.000 You know, that's, like, pretty bad.

01:05:10.000 It's the baddest of the bad. 1.00

01:05:12.000 It's horrible shit. 1.00

01:05:13.000 But I knew a lot of guys like that. 0.99

01:05:15.000 I knew a lot of, because of the martial arts, there was a lot of, like, really tough guys that gravitated towards...

01:05:21.000 I truly hope you didn't know a lot of guys like that.

01:05:24.000 I didn't know a lot of guys like that, but I knew guys who were hitmen.

01:05:28.000 I knew a guy was a hitman for Whitey Bulger.

01:05:32.000 I trained him. 1.00

01:05:33.000 I remember teaching him shit. 0.99

01:05:36.000 After a year or two of doing Taekwondo, my instructor offered me a job. 0.99

01:05:43.000 And I was basically teaching the younger lower belt classes.

01:05:49.000 Teaching them basic techniques.

01:05:51.000 And I would teach early classes and kids classes and stuff like that.

01:05:54.000 In exchange for training.

01:05:57.000 So I didn't have to pay for training anymore.

01:05:59.000 And I'd get a key to the school.

01:06:00.000 I could go anytime I wanted.

01:06:02.000 It was like they would do that with the prospects, people that they thought really could have a potential.

01:06:08.000 And so I was teaching a lot of people, and I was teaching this one guy, and I remember he goes, if you wanted to kill somebody, where would you hit them?

01:06:15.000 It was like a real question. 1.00

01:06:17.000 It wasn't like an asshole just fucking around like, if I was going to kill somebody. 1.00

01:06:20.000 It was like, if you wanted to kill somebody, where would you hit them? 1.00

01:06:24.000 I was like, the neck maybe? 0.97

01:06:25.000 That's what I think so.

01:06:26.000 Probably the neck.

01:06:27.000 What a crew you were running with.

01:06:28.000 It was very strange.

01:06:29.000 Well, most people were respectable. 0.87

01:06:31.000 But it's like, you know, if you have hundreds and hundreds of students and your business is teaching people how to fuck people up, you're going to get bad people that want to learn those skills. 0.90

01:06:39.000 That guy went away. 0.77

01:06:41.000 And I knew a couple guys who went away who were in the South Boston mob.

01:06:46.000 That was the reason why Dana moved out of Boston. 0.79

01:06:48.000 The South Boston mob.

01:06:50.000 They were shaking him down when he was running a boxing gym. 1.00

01:06:54.000 There were scary fucking people. 0.99

01:06:56.000 That's the Whitey Bulger situation because he was in bed with the FBI. They were letting him kill people. 1.00

01:07:01.000 They were letting him sell drugs.

01:07:03.000 Departed.

01:07:03.000 Yeah, the movie.

01:07:05.000 Departed, yeah.

01:07:06.000 That's real.

01:07:07.000 That was all going on when I was a kid in Boston.

01:07:11.000 And I was connected to people that wound up like a good friend of mine who was a comic.

01:07:15.000 His brother was in Whitey Bulger's crew and wound up getting arrested and going to jail.

01:07:20.000 His brother that I knew very well from the gym.

01:07:23.000 So I knew a few of those guys.

01:07:26.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.000 I don't have any of those stories.

01:07:29.000 I grew up in a little suburb.

01:07:30.000 I did too.

01:07:31.000 Granted.

01:07:32.000 I grew up in Newton.

01:07:33.000 I was living in Newton.

01:07:34.000 But the school was in Boston.

01:07:38.000 So I would go into Boston and most of my friends...

01:07:41.000 We're from the inner city.

01:07:42.000 Most of my friends were from Chelsea and, you know, Dorchester and these, you know, young, tough kids who would come from these, you know, bad neighborhoods and bad households.

01:07:53.000 Those are the ones that made the best fighters.

01:07:56.000 Well, that's still, I mean, it's true.

01:07:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:58.000 For sure.

01:07:59.000 Yeah.

01:08:02.000 So.

01:08:03.000 Still getting. 0.99

01:08:04.000 That's how I kept the fuck away from Coke. 0.99

01:08:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:08:07.000 People don't believe me.

01:08:08.000 They think I'm lying.

01:08:09.000 Why would I lie?

01:08:09.000 I tell the truth about everything.

01:08:11.000 Yeah, people always...

01:08:11.000 There was a phase where everyone called me a cokehead.

01:08:13.000 I'm not.

01:08:14.000 Like, I've...

01:08:15.000 Handful.

01:08:16.000 This is a Barstool-like...

01:08:18.000 People make fun of it, but I've done coke less than a handful of times.

01:08:21.000 Adderall, yes.

01:08:22.000 Coke, no.

01:08:23.000 Well, my friend Duncan Trussell has a great joke about Adderall.

01:08:27.000 The Adderall is like someone did coke and they were scientists and they're like, I can fix this.

01:08:32.000 Maybe.

01:08:33.000 No, Adderall.

01:08:33.000 I was warned even for this podcast.

01:08:36.000 They're like, don't do too much Adderall.

01:08:38.000 You'll talk too much.

01:08:39.000 But I did a little.

01:08:41.000 How much do you do?

01:08:42.000 I've toned it down, but like, you know, a 30 a day, if I have to think.

01:08:48.000 It makes me feel like I can cure cancer.

01:08:50.000 Really?

01:08:51.000 Yeah, it makes me, I love it.

01:08:52.000 Like, I don't get jittery, like, at least I don't think I do.

01:08:55.000 Coffee, Adderall, I like, it gets the brain going.

01:08:57.000 But I have tried to wean off of it, because I don't want it not to work when I need it.

01:09:01.000 Right, right.

01:09:01.000 So you want it to be a tool.

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:03.000 Well, we were just looking that up last night, and we were trying to figure out how many people are on Adderall, and there was 41 million prescriptions, I think, in 2020. 41 million.

01:09:14.000 Now, how many of those are...

01:09:16.000 Fake?

01:09:17.000 No, it's like how many people are doing it.

01:09:19.000 If you have 41 million prescriptions, like, well, you get a prescription, like, if you get a prescription, is it for 30 days?

01:09:25.000 Is it for 60 days?

01:09:26.000 Like, how many prescriptions do you get a year?

01:09:28.000 Like, how many humans are we talking about?

01:09:29.000 Yeah.

01:09:30.000 When you say 41 million prescriptions, like, how many people? 0.97

01:09:35.000 If it's 41 million people on Adderall, we get a fucking messed up country, you know? 0.70

01:09:40.000 Everyone's like, you'll wait, I mean, for documentation that it's really bad for you, but who knows? 0.88

01:09:46.000 Well, is coffee really bad?

01:09:48.000 Coffee's good for you.

01:09:49.000 Some of it.

01:09:51.000 I've gone to war on this.

01:09:52.000 There's studies say it's pretty good for you.

01:09:55.000 There's some studies that say it's bad for you.

01:09:58.000 They used to say that it dehydrated you.

01:09:59.000 You can find out with everything.

01:10:00.000 But now they find out that coffee actually can hydrate you.

01:10:02.000 That I don't believe.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, it is.

01:10:05.000 It's liquid.

01:10:06.000 Coffee hydrates you.

01:10:07.000 See, that's...

01:10:08.000 It can't.

01:10:09.000 I know what it does to me.

01:10:10.000 But it makes you urinate because it does...

01:10:13.000 It is, in some ways, it dehydrates you because it is a stimulant.

01:10:18.000 But you're also drinking in so much liquid that it doesn't dehydrate you.

01:10:23.000 Google that.

01:10:24.000 Make sure that's true.

01:10:24.000 I think you can find both.

01:10:26.000 I think you can find both.

01:10:27.000 Here it is.

01:10:27.000 Does coffee hydrate you?

01:10:28.000 The answer is yes.

01:10:29.000 Coffee does count towards your daily water intake.

01:10:32.000 However, drinking huge amounts of caffeine can be dehydrated.

01:10:35.000 That may be from big coffee.

01:10:36.000 It could be.

01:10:37.000 That's because the increase in urination can result in a higher risk of dehydration.

01:10:42.000 I don't think it is...

01:10:43.000 It's on the coffee website.

01:10:44.000 Yeah, right.

01:10:45.000 It's from Big Coffee.

01:10:46.000 But the thing is, I don't think they need to say coffee's okay.

01:10:51.000 Everybody's hooked on coffee. 0.94

01:10:53.000 I fucking love the stuff. 0.98

01:10:55.000 Mayo Clinic? 0.99

01:10:56.000 Caffeinated drinks can contribute to your daily food requirement.

01:11:00.000 Listen, I'm a coffee guy, so the better the...

01:11:02.000 I am too.

01:11:03.000 I love it.

01:11:04.000 I love coffee.

01:11:05.000 But I love a little bit of...

01:11:06.000 I like a little cigar.

01:11:07.000 I like weed.

01:11:09.000 I like a little booze.

01:11:10.000 I just...

01:11:11.000 I feel like it's a balance thing. 0.88

01:11:13.000 Like, I don't want to be a tea toddler, and I do Sober October every year where I don't do shit, but at the end of the day, I think a little bit of alcohol, a little bit of... 0.96

01:11:21.000 You just got to take care of your body. 0.98

01:11:23.000 You got to know when you're overdoing it, know when you're doing too much, make sure you take vitamins, make sure you recover, do a bunch of different things to take care of your fucking meat vehicle. 0.98

01:11:32.000 But as long as you do that, I feel like... 0.98

01:11:34.000 I mean, anything.

01:11:35.000 In moderation is probably fine.

01:11:37.000 Look, if you're training for a fight, don't drink.

01:11:39.000 Don't do coke.

01:11:41.000 Meanwhile, Jon Jones did.

01:11:42.000 Greatest of all time.

01:11:44.000 Right. 0.96

01:11:44.000 This is one of the greatest fucking quotes ever when he was in a press conference with Daniel Cormier after their first fight. 0.96

01:11:49.000 He goes, I beat you when I was doing coke. 0.95

01:11:52.000 I feel like a lot of the fighters are probably doing stuff.

01:11:58.000 The elite of the elite aren't.

01:12:01.000 Other than John, most of those guys are not partying at all.

01:12:05.000 Most of those guys are just like...

01:12:06.000 In training, yeah.

01:12:06.000 They're just trying to maximize their...

01:12:10.000 There's one moment of 25 minutes in a championship fight... 1.00

01:12:17.000 And you've got to be fully fucked. 0.99

01:12:20.000 If you're fighting Israel Adesanya or Alex Pajera and you have that fucking cage locks, you don't want to have any thought like, I should have got more sleep or shouldn't have got drunk last week or shouldn't have this or shouldn't have that. 1.00

01:12:31.000 At the elite levels, everything has to be on point. 0.97

01:12:36.000 These guys are so good. 0.90

01:12:37.000 You have to have your recovery, your diet, your nutrition, all the fucking modalities have to be on point to compete at the elite of the elite level. 0.97

01:12:48.000 Unless you're Jon Jones. 0.98

01:12:50.000 But even Jon Jones. 0.98

01:12:52.000 Jon Jones was so goddamn talented, and still is, that if he just did none of that and just trained like a fucking Spartan and was a samurai about everything, he would have been unstoppable. 0.98

01:13:05.000 He wouldn't have had those close fights. 0.98

01:13:07.000 When he fought Alexander Gustafson, he didn't even train. 0.98

01:13:11.000 Didn't even fucking train, and he beat him. 0.86

01:13:13.000 But it was a close, close fight. 0.99

01:13:15.000 Close, close fight. 0.99

01:13:16.000 But then when him and Gustafson fought the second time, he beat the fucking brakes off Gustafson. 1.00

01:13:21.000 Because he wanted to let everybody know, like, this is Jon Jones when he's ready and prepared, motherfuckers. 0.99

01:13:25.000 See, I'm like a top... 0.99

01:13:27.000 I'm a casual MMA guy.

01:13:30.000 Like, those fights, I don't know.

01:13:31.000 If there's a big fight, interesting, top of the name, then I get it.

01:13:35.000 But I'm not watching, like, the weeklies.

01:13:38.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:13:40.000 I mean, look, I only watch one sport.

01:13:43.000 I know.

01:13:44.000 That's what everyone said to me.

01:13:45.000 Just heads up.

01:13:46.000 He's not a sports guy.

01:13:47.000 He's an MMA guy. 0.98

01:13:48.000 I don't know jack shit about sports. 0.98

01:13:50.000 And I'm friends with Aaron Rodgers. 0.98

01:13:52.000 I know.

01:13:52.000 I heard that story coming in.

01:13:54.000 I love that guy. 0.98

01:13:55.000 But I don't know jack shit about his sport. 0.98

01:13:57.000 Meanwhile, my wife is a crazy football fan. 1.00

01:13:58.000 It's really funny. 0.93

01:13:59.000 My wife's mom's a crazy football fan. 1.00

01:14:01.000 Green Bay Packers fan.

01:14:02.000 She wants to meet Aaron Rodgers.

01:14:04.000 So that's unrelated.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:14:06.000 Yeah, but sports to me are great.

01:14:08.000 I love sports.

01:14:10.000 I love them.

01:14:10.000 I love that people do them.

01:14:11.000 I love athletes.

01:14:12.000 I love discipline and commitment.

01:14:14.000 I love excellence.

01:14:15.000 But I only have so much time in the day, and I have to just, what excites me?

01:14:21.000 What excites me is combat sports.

01:14:23.000 I watch very obscure kickboxing matches from Thailand. 0.99

01:14:27.000 If you see me on my phone and I'm just sitting somewhere, I'm probably watching some weird grappling match that's taking place in fucking Uzbekistan or some shit. 0.98

01:14:37.000 That's what I like to do. 0.95

01:14:38.000 You have the background in it.

01:14:38.000 But that's what's interesting to me.

01:14:40.000 I like combat sports.

01:14:41.000 It's not that I don't like sports.

01:14:43.000 It's just I don't have any time.

01:14:44.000 I mean, I went to a soccer game recently in Austin. 0.94

01:14:47.000 It was fucking great. 0.96

01:14:48.000 I was like, this is amazing. 0.99

01:14:49.000 It was so much fun.

01:14:51.000 But am I following soccer?

01:14:53.000 I don't have the time. 0.99

01:14:54.000 I can't get obsessed with some other fucking disciplines. 0.99

01:14:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:59.000 No, I hear that.

01:15:00.000 But to me, combat sports are the ultimate because the consequences are so high, the excitement's so high.

01:15:07.000 There's nothing to me like a world championship UFC fight.

01:15:10.000 There's nothing like it, man.

01:15:12.000 Then when Bruce Buffer is red in the face and he's like, it's time!

01:15:17.000 And the whole place goes, yeah!

01:15:19.000 He leaps off the ground.

01:15:21.000 They had him...

01:15:22.000 So I went to Michigan.

01:15:23.000 I was at the football game there in the semis.

01:15:26.000 They lost, but he did the call for that.

01:15:28.000 They had him out there. 1.00

01:15:29.000 He's the fucking man. 1.00

01:15:29.000 Bruce Buffer is the greatest announcer in the history of the human race. 1.00

01:15:33.000 No one gets more pumped up.

01:15:35.000 That guy, he bleeds it.

01:15:37.000 It's crazy, the family.

01:15:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:39.000 You know they didn't know each other?

01:15:42.000 They grew up separate.

01:15:43.000 He didn't find out he was his brother who was like 30. No, I didn't know that.

01:15:48.000 Yes.

01:15:48.000 That's crazy.

01:15:49.000 The reason why the UFC got Bruce Buffer was because they didn't have the money from Michael Buffer.

01:15:54.000 And his brother Bruce was like, I can do it.

01:15:57.000 In the beginning, he was kind of, you know, he was learning how to do it.

01:16:01.000 No, I had no idea.

01:16:01.000 I figured it was just in the family.

01:16:03.000 They grew up together.

01:16:04.000 Look, if you go back and listen to my early days of commenting, I was terrible.

01:16:08.000 If you go back and listen to Bruce Buffer's early days of announcing, he wasn't as good as he is now.

01:16:13.000 He was learning how to do it. 0.99

01:16:15.000 Now he's the fucking man. 0.99

01:16:17.000 Yeah, if you told me that he could eclipse Michael, and you could argue either way, because I am a boxing guy, he's done the biggest fights, but, you know, are you ready to rumble? 0.99

01:16:27.000 I would have said not in a million years.

01:16:28.000 He's eclipsed him, by far. 1.00

01:16:30.000 Look, Michael Buffer's the fucking man, too. 1.00

01:16:32.000 Let's get ready to rumble! 1.00

01:16:34.000 That, though, nothing eclipsed that. 0.95

01:16:39.000 It's pretty goddamn good. 0.62

01:16:40.000 Bruce doesn't have one catchphrase that everybody knows. 0.91

01:16:45.000 He has, it's time.

01:16:46.000 It's time.

01:16:47.000 If you go to a UFC fight, the whole audience cheers with him.

01:16:50.000 They do it.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

01:16:54.000 You're right.

01:16:55.000 You're right.

01:16:55.000 It's just different, because Let's Get Ready to Rumble was the first.

01:16:58.000 It was iconic.

01:16:59.000 Let's get ready to rumble! 0.88

01:17:01.000 And he has a beautiful, silky smooth voice.

01:17:06.000 Michael Buffer's voice is fantastic.

01:17:08.000 They're very different deliveries.

01:17:09.000 Very different.

01:17:10.000 But Bruce is perfect for cage fighting.

01:17:13.000 That's Bruce.

01:17:14.000 Let me hear this.

01:17:14.000 He looks like he's 12th.

01:17:17.000 I thought Buffer had the potential.

01:17:19.000 Oh, it's a documentary about him.

01:17:22.000 Jeremy Horn!

01:17:23.000 That's the old days.

01:17:24.000 Did you watch the original UFCs?

01:17:26.000 I mean, when Hoist Gracie would beat people in his...

01:17:30.000 What do they call the...

01:17:32.000 The guard?

01:17:33.000 No, the...

01:17:33.000 The kimono?

01:17:35.000 He choked them out in the gi.

01:17:37.000 You didn't even know what happened.

01:17:38.000 Well, the gi's brilliant for a jiu-jitsu player because the gi makes people grab it.

01:17:42.000 They grab it.

01:17:43.000 They don't even...

01:17:43.000 Instinctively, there's clothes there, you grab it, and then he just drags you into this world.

01:17:47.000 Yeah, and he beat like five guys in a night.

01:17:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:49.000 I didn't find out about the UFC until UFC 2. I heard about it, and then I watched UFC 2. I rented it, like a blockbuster or something.

01:18:00.000 And I remember immediately, I was like, oh my god.

01:18:02.000 Yeah, I was hooked right away on it, too.

01:18:04.000 I also was like an eye-opening experience because I was a kickboxer.

01:18:07.000 So I was a stand-up fighter.

01:18:09.000 I was a striker.

01:18:09.000 And then I was watching this guy just grab ahold of people and get them to the ground and trip them.

01:18:13.000 I'm like, is it that easy? 1.00

01:18:14.000 Is it that easy to fuck me up? 0.99

01:18:16.000 I wrestled in high school for a year. 0.99

01:18:18.000 Like, maybe I could stand up on my feet.

01:18:19.000 And then I went to jiu-jitsu classes and got mauled.

01:18:23.000 And I was like, oh my god, I'm helpless.

01:18:26.000 Like, I had this totally distorted perception of my abilities.

01:18:29.000 I was like...

01:18:30.000 I'm a good kickboxer. 1.00

01:18:32.000 If someone comes up to me, I'll fuck them up. 0.99

01:18:33.000 And I have this whole idea in my head. 1.00

01:18:35.000 And then, like, jujitsu? 0.99

01:18:36.000 Like, I'm sure it's good and everything, but I can avoid all their bullshit. 0.99

01:18:40.000 No. 1.00

01:18:41.000 I got just mauled and manhandled. 0.99

01:18:43.000 I remember thinking, like, after a few classes, like, oh my god, I'm fucking helpless. 0.98

01:18:49.000 And I thought I wasn't. 0.93

01:18:50.000 That's most people. 1.00

01:18:52.000 Most people have this idea in their head, like, oh, my fucking mentality. 1.00

01:18:55.000 I see red. 1.00

01:18:56.000 Body start dropping.

01:18:58.000 You're helpless.

01:18:59.000 You're a child to someone who knows how to fight.

01:19:02.000 You really don't know until you experience it.

01:19:05.000 And so I think what UFC did is it opened everybody's eyes to jiu-jitsu and how effective jiu-jitsu is and how it's so much different than every other martial art because, like, If you're a good athlete and you're strong, you can hit hard, there's always like a swinging chance.

01:19:21.000 If you're in a fight with someone and you sucker punch them or something happens, but in a jiu-jitsu match or a guy with a jiu-jitsu black belt, there's no chance for like a lucky submission.

01:19:32.000 There's no chance for you winning.

01:19:34.000 You have zero chance. 1.00

01:19:35.000 If they clinch you, you're fucked. 1.00

01:19:38.000 You don't even know how to stop it. 1.00

01:19:40.000 You don't know what to do.

01:19:42.000 All of a sudden you're tripped, you're inside control, you're like, what is this?

01:19:46.000 Why is his knee on my chest?

01:19:47.000 I still don't know watching it.

01:19:49.000 I've been ringside for a couple...

01:19:51.000 I don't know enough about it.

01:19:52.000 I don't even know when someone's necessarily in trouble.

01:19:55.000 It's like because I'm a novice watching it.

01:19:57.000 Well, they used to have these earpieces that they would hand out.

01:20:01.000 They would sell at the concession stand.

01:20:03.000 It was like a little local radio, and you could put it on.

01:20:06.000 You could hear the commentary, which was great.

01:20:08.000 But I don't know what happened.

01:20:10.000 They stopped doing that.

01:20:11.000 It would be a good thing for people to have, because I think if I was watching in the audience, I think I might also buy it on ESPN +, and then listen to the commentary on an AirPod.

01:20:24.000 I think that's the way to do it. 0.85

01:20:26.000 Because, like, when Daniel Cormier is explaining wrestling, like, to this day, when he's explaining shit to me, like, I'm all ears.

01:20:32.000 When he's talking about clinch positions and, you know, what's important and what a person has to do in this spot or that spot. 0.99

01:20:39.000 And then when it goes to the ground, like, when I'm explaining transitions and I'm explaining when someone's okay and when they're not okay, and now they're fucked. 0.71

01:20:46.000 And what he's gonna do is this and then the person does it like for people that follow along at home that was in the early days of the UFC that helped the UFC very much because Otherwise, it's just a scramble of bodies on the ground. 0.91

01:21:00.000 You don't know what's happening.

01:21:00.000 You need someone to walk you through it in a step-by-step way.

01:21:05.000 So if you don't have access to commentary, I think that does hurt the experience a little bit.

01:21:11.000 But if you do have access to commentary...

01:21:13.000 But it's also electric live because the crowd's electric.

01:21:16.000 Everyone knows.

01:21:16.000 So you get a sense.

01:21:17.000 While I may not know, I get a sense from the crowd because the crowd rises and gets super loud when somebody's a little bit in trouble.

01:21:25.000 Yeah, well in a stand-up fight, there's nothing.

01:21:28.000 Like Adesanya versus Pajera.

01:21:31.000 That kind of fight.

01:21:32.000 There's nothing like being there live. 1.00

01:21:34.000 Because if you see Pajera throwing those fucking death hooks at him, you know what's happening. 1.00

01:21:40.000 It's very clear to see what's going on. 1.00

01:21:42.000 Everybody understands that.

01:21:43.000 But then the ground is where it gets a little more complicated for people.

01:21:47.000 I have a question for you.

01:21:48.000 Okay. 0.88

01:21:51.000 When Spotify, you did Spotify, did you care when all that shit was going on with Spotify with the people revolting against you at Spotify? 0.99

01:21:58.000 Or did you just not give a shit at all? 0.99

01:22:00.000 Well, the people at Spotify weren't. 0.99

01:22:03.000 There was just a couple of people that were tech people that were upset.

01:22:07.000 So then how did that become such a big story?

01:22:10.000 The real story was the medical misinformation story.

01:22:14.000 That's where things got weird.

01:22:15.000 And there was a lot of people that were behind that.

01:22:20.000 It was very organized.

01:22:23.000 But that was because of having people like Robert Malone and Peter McCullough that were telling a narrative that was contrary to what was going on in the public about vaccines and about the efficacy and about the dangers and about COVID and the actual dangers of COVID and also alternative treatments,

01:22:42.000 whether or not they were effective, whether or not the information is being suppressed.

01:22:46.000 That stuff got creepy.

01:22:48.000 Did you care?

01:22:49.000 Because from outside looking in, you had built this thing up all yourself, took a paycheck, but signed it over to Spotify.

01:22:59.000 To me, that would be...

01:23:01.000 I was curious what your thought process...

01:23:04.000 At any point, you're like, I wish I just kept this myself.

01:23:06.000 I don't need this headache.

01:23:07.000 Or did...

01:23:08.000 No, because I would have done the same thing and I would have been banned from YouTube.

01:23:11.000 I would have been in trouble in other ways.

01:23:14.000 It was a matter of like a time where talking about certain things was very taboo.

01:23:20.000 And I talk about everything.

01:23:23.000 And when I had access to someone like Robert Malone, who owns nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology, and that guy who got vaccinated was telling you About a terrible cardiac event that happened to him while he got vaccinated and then him doing the research on mRNA vaccines and the benefits as well as the adverse side effects and as well as what the actual studies showed in terms of efficacy,

01:23:50.000 the fact that they never really showed that they could stop transmission, that they were lying about that.

01:23:56.000 It's going to stop it in its tracks.

01:23:57.000 There was no information about that.

01:23:59.000 In fact, there was a woman in Pfizer that had to talk to the European Parliament, and they asked her, like, did you do research to see if it stopped transmission?

01:24:09.000 She said no.

01:24:10.000 So all they knew is that it created antibodies.

01:24:13.000 And everybody wanted the pandemic to be over.

01:24:16.000 And everybody wanted it and they feel like this is our way out of this and it was like that was the narrative Rachel Maddow was like if you get this vaccine you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID, the virus stops with you. 0.95

01:24:25.000 We all now know that is horseshit and that's a lie and this guy was telling me that over a year ago and when I started talking about that it became a real fucking issue but my perspective was like look If it's true, it's true. 0.93

01:24:41.000 And the chips will fall where they may. 0.99

01:24:44.000 And if the only way people are getting this information is through me, that's fucking crazy. 0.67

01:24:48.000 But that's also the cross I have to bear. 0.72

01:24:51.000 This is what it is.

01:24:52.000 I'm talking to this guy.

01:24:53.000 I'm fascinated by it personally.

01:24:55.000 I want to know.

01:24:57.000 I mean, and he was wildly disparaged.

01:24:59.000 So was Dr. Peter McCullough, wildly disparaged.

01:25:02.000 But turns out he was accurate.

01:25:04.000 And as more and more information gets out over time, it will show What happened, how they were suppressed, how there was active campaigns to silence them, and how those campaigns were funded.

01:25:16.000 And that's what we're finding out right now. 0.96

01:25:19.000 So it was an uncomfortable time for sure, especially when people like fucking Neil Young. 0.99

01:25:24.000 Oh, I love Neil Young. 0.88

01:25:26.000 But, you know, Neil Young, I don't know if this is true or not, but somebody told me that after I released my video explaining how a lot of the stuff that they called misinformation in the past that would get kicked you off is now mainstream news, like the fact the lab leak hypothesis. 0.94

01:25:41.000 If you talked about the lab leak hypothesis on YouTube at the beginning of the pandemic, you would have been fucking canceled.

01:25:48.000 They would have pulled you off of YouTube. 0.88

01:25:49.000 They would have suppressed your episodes.

01:25:51.000 They would have canceled. 0.99

01:25:51.000 Now that's on the cover of fucking Newsweek. 0.99

01:25:54.000 Right. 1.00

01:25:54.000 Right? 1.00

01:25:54.000 And now, most scientists and epidemiologists and virologists are porting towards that as a likely scenario, that there's a lab leak. 1.00

01:26:01.000 I had Brett Weinstein, who is an evolutionary biologist on yesterday, and he explained why that lab leak hypothesis is most likely correct in scientific terms that are, like, mind-boggling.

01:26:14.000 So, was it good?

01:26:15.000 No.

01:26:16.000 But it is what it is, you know?

01:26:18.000 And, you know, my perspective is, look, it could be...

01:26:21.000 I'm in a very unusual, unfortunate situation.

01:26:24.000 And sometimes you find yourself in a place in life where you have to figure out what you're going to do.

01:26:30.000 Are you going to not talk to these people because of pressure when you think these people are telling the truth?

01:26:35.000 Or are you going to let the chips fall where they may?

01:26:39.000 So that was over, because from, again, totally outsiders, it seemed like a big deal.

01:26:43.000 Like, it seemed like a big thing within Spotify.

01:26:45.000 It seemed, you're saying it wasn't as big, though, it was just small, like you weren't getting.

01:26:49.000 That, for me, is the big, almost all the stuff you said, whether it was true or not true, I think you believed it was true.

01:26:56.000 That's all that kind of matters.

01:26:57.000 It turns out a lot of it was.

01:27:00.000 But it's...

01:27:02.000 There's similarities.

01:27:03.000 You did it so long yourself, and then Spotify was under a ton of pressure.

01:27:07.000 Didn't they delete some of your episodes?

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 Well, they did that, and they also were very apprehensive about certain guests that I had on, and there was a lot of pressure from advertisers.

01:27:20.000 There was a lot of pressure from different people.

01:27:23.000 They were, you know, like different artists like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell pulled their stuff and it was touch and go.

01:27:30.000 But again, over time, it showed that that was all true. 0.95

01:27:34.000 And then all that went away.

01:27:36.000 Yeah.

01:27:40.000 Now imagine if I was wrong.

01:27:42.000 Well, not even me.

01:27:44.000 I shouldn't say I was wrong because I wasn't really the one who was saying these things.

01:27:47.000 These things were mostly being said by experts. 0.95

01:27:50.000 But if those experts turned out to be horseshit, that would be devastating. 0.90

01:27:53.000 Like if it did cause the death of millions of people because these guys were lying and these people didn't take something that could have saved them. 0.94

01:28:02.000 But it turns out that's not really the case.

01:28:04.000 And it turns out there was alternate therapies and alternate different medications that were suppressed.

01:28:11.000 Not only that, the information about simple things like vitamin D and exercise and the benefits of those things and how that was suppressed, about how obesity contributes to COVID, that was all suppressed.

01:28:22.000 None of that stuff was being discussed.

01:28:25.000 Awareness.

01:28:25.000 So it's just one of those things where you find out that The more things change, the more they remain the same.

01:28:32.000 Pharmaceutical companies from the fucking beginning of their industry have been full shit. 0.99

01:28:37.000 They make great stuff. 1.00

01:28:38.000 They make Adderall.

01:28:39.000 You love it.

01:28:40.000 They make Viagra.

01:28:41.000 They make cancer medications at work.

01:28:42.000 They make all these different things that are wonderful for people.

01:28:44.000 All these different things that save people.

01:28:46.000 But really what they're in the business of is making money.

01:28:50.000 That's what they're in the business of.

01:28:51.000 100%. 0.99

01:28:51.000 And when something comes along that fucking steps on their money, they don't like it. 0.99

01:28:56.000 You know? 0.99

01:29:00.000 Yeah.

01:29:00.000 Like I said, for me, it was almost the bigger issue of how you...

01:29:04.000 I was curious how you were dealing with it.

01:29:07.000 Meaning...

01:29:07.000 I just keep on keeping on.

01:29:09.000 Just keep doing it.

01:29:10.000 Was that relationship ever close to being severed because of that?

01:29:13.000 I don't think so.

01:29:14.000 I don't know, though.

01:29:15.000 I don't know from them.

01:29:16.000 My relationship with them was always great in communicating with them.

01:29:19.000 They stood by me the way they stand by rappers.

01:29:21.000 That was one of the things they said. 1.00

01:29:22.000 Think about all the shit that rappers say. 1.00

01:29:24.000 But they stood by you. 1.00

01:29:26.000 For the same reason you're saying everything else.

01:29:28.000 You make them money.

01:29:29.000 Yes.

01:29:30.000 They probably weren't standing by you because we think he's got smart guys or Joe Rogan.

01:29:34.000 They're staying by you because you're the biggest podcast in the world.

01:29:37.000 A friend of mine who's a brilliant businessman said, you have the number one podcast in 96 countries.

01:29:41.000 If you had the number 96 podcast in one country, you would have been gone.

01:29:46.000 Correct.

01:29:46.000 And that's correct.

01:29:47.000 And that's everything.

01:29:49.000 But that's why, for whatever reason, I found myself in the position I found myself in.

01:29:56.000 That's who you are right now.

01:29:58.000 That's your place in life.

01:30:00.000 And you have to just be who you are.

01:30:02.000 You can't change because of the pressure.

01:30:04.000 You can't just decide to become a different person because there's all this pressure on you because you're scared.

01:30:08.000 Then I'd quit.

01:30:09.000 I wouldn't want to do it anymore.

01:30:10.000 I would go do it for free.

01:30:13.000 There was a point in time I was like, what would I do if I lost all of it?

01:30:18.000 And I thought about it very carefully.

01:30:19.000 And I said, I'll just do it for free.

01:30:21.000 If I lost all my ads and all my advertisers, I would still have the number one podcast but no advertisers.

01:30:27.000 Okay.

01:30:27.000 I just do it for free.

01:30:28.000 I just, you know, cut my spending down a little bit.

01:30:32.000 Still do stand-up. 1.00

01:30:33.000 I keep doing the same shit. 0.99

01:30:36.000 Yeah, well, I mean, you don't need advertisers. 0.99

01:30:37.000 You can do that in this day and age.

01:30:40.000 This is a different world.

01:30:41.000 You know, the fact that an independent media organization, whether it's like Breaking Points or Substack, can exist and have millions of subscribers and millions of people that pay attention.

01:30:52.000 This is a different world.

01:30:53.000 Totally. 0.99

01:30:53.000 This is not a world where you're on fucking ESPN and you get caught dealing coke and they just fire you. 0.99

01:30:58.000 Right. 0.98

01:30:59.000 They live in a different world than I do.

01:31:01.000 I live in the world of social media and the world of online platforms, direct to consumer.

01:31:06.000 It's a different thing.

01:31:07.000 And I've had a lot of offers to do that.

01:31:09.000 There was a lot of people that were these fucking huge billionaire people who came to me and said, listen, we can take this and go straight to subscriber model and then you never have to deal with anybody ever telling you what to do again. 0.78

01:31:21.000 Right. 0.96

01:31:22.000 And I thought about that, but also Spotify's been great to me.

01:31:26.000 I have a great relationship with the CEO of Spotify.

01:31:28.000 He's my boy.

01:31:29.000 I love that dude.

01:31:32.000 You know, I stick with them.

01:31:34.000 They stick with me.

01:31:34.000 We're good.

01:31:35.000 And it works. 0.90

01:31:36.000 It's a fucking very unique thing that I got in right at the right time where YouTube was demonetizing people. 0.92

01:31:44.000 And that was one of the ways they got people to self-center. 0.97

01:31:47.000 Self-censor, rather.

01:31:48.000 They demonetized people that talked about controversial subjects.

01:31:52.000 And they demonetized a lot.

01:31:54.000 That was one of the things that we found about when we left YouTube.

01:31:58.000 Because we had a really good relationship with YouTube.

01:32:01.000 And most of our episodes were monetized.

01:32:03.000 But every now and then they would demonetize an episode.

01:32:05.000 And we would try to...

01:32:06.000 Jamie would protest it or he would dispute it and put in a request for review.

01:32:16.000 And sometimes they would reverse it, and sometimes they weren't.

01:32:19.000 And it was like this weird touch-and-go game where you're like, who is telling me what I can and can't say? 0.99

01:32:26.000 Who the fuck are these people? 0.98

01:32:27.000 And why are they in my life? 1.00

01:32:29.000 Why am I making decisions based on whether or not some fucking dork who has this subjective opinion of whether or not something should be discussed or not discussed? 0.99

01:32:38.000 Right. 0.99

01:32:40.000 When we left YouTube and went to Spotify, all that stopped.

01:32:46.000 The moment we left YouTube, the moment we got a deal with Spotify, we were on YouTube for several months. 0.97

01:32:52.000 They didn't demonetize any of our shit during that time. 0.95

01:32:55.000 They just took in all the revenue. 0.99

01:32:57.000 They stopped demonetizing us completely.

01:33:00.000 So it was an increase in revenue by like somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 to 30 percent.

01:33:05.000 Because that's the amount of podcasts that they would demonetize.

01:33:08.000 The revenue just went sky high.

01:33:10.000 I was like, this is wild.

01:33:12.000 This is really fascinating. 0.96

01:33:13.000 And if I stayed over there, during the whole COVID shit, during the Neil Young stuff and everything, dude, it would have been bad. 0.63

01:33:21.000 They would have probably yanked me off of YouTube. 0.87

01:33:22.000 They'd have probably killed my account.

01:33:24.000 They could have done it.

01:33:25.000 They did it to many people.

01:33:26.000 They killed many people's accounts for wrong reasons.

01:33:29.000 And those reasons now are being very clearly exposed as being incorrect.

01:33:34.000 Right.

01:33:34.000 Huh.

01:33:36.000 Fascinating.

01:33:37.000 Yeah, I always wondered that part.

01:33:40.000 It feels very weird, though.

01:33:42.000 It felt very weird.

01:33:44.000 But the thing is, I kept doing stand-up, and when I'd go on stand-up, people would go fucking crazy when I'd go on stage.

01:33:50.000 Yeah, well, the thing you have, I've said this in the past, similar, I think, to Barstool, you've been doing it so long, so your audience knows very well who you are.

01:33:59.000 Yeah.

01:33:59.000 So it's not like what Neil Young or anybody said.

01:34:03.000 It's not going to affect your base because your base is very real and they've been with you forever.

01:34:08.000 In fact, I gained 2 billion subscribers during that month.

01:34:12.000 2 million.

01:34:14.000 That makes sense to me.

01:34:15.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 So that was what was wild about it.

01:34:18.000 It had the opposite effect that was intended.

01:34:20.000 Well, that always does. 0.99

01:34:21.000 Little fatso Brian Stelter was on CNN talking shit about me. 0.99

01:34:26.000 That's been barstool from day one. 0.99

01:34:29.000 The more people attack, the more your base grows, and they almost become more ravenous.

01:34:33.000 They do become more ravenous, especially in response to someone like Brian Stelter. 1.00

01:34:37.000 Because you see that guy talking like, who the fuck are you? 0.99

01:34:41.000 Imagine a world where that guy's your best friend. 0.99

01:34:43.000 Well, that is, so of all the people who have come at me, and a lot of people say it, so you can take it kind of with a grain of salt, if someone writes a hit piece, I always say, let's sit down, I'll bring my cameras, you bring yours, and we can both do whatever we want.

01:34:58.000 Nobody ever has taken me up on that, ever.

01:35:01.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:35:02.000 Because that takes away their power of editing.

01:35:04.000 Ever.

01:35:05.000 They love to be able to edit and take your stuff out of context.

01:35:07.000 And you can just see how their body language is and whatever.

01:35:11.000 And see who they are.

01:35:13.000 Correct.

01:35:13.000 Because I'm confident.

01:35:14.000 I know there's things I've said that with time...

01:35:20.000 Culture, environment, they don't come across.

01:35:22.000 I would have worded differently, said different jokes, whatever.

01:35:24.000 But I'm comfortable with, I've never, I always got a kick out of it.

01:35:27.000 There's accounts that hate me.

01:35:29.000 They deleted their entire, like, Twitter profiles.

01:35:31.000 They just went back, like, delete everything.

01:35:33.000 We've never delete anything, really.

01:35:34.000 It's all out there.

01:35:35.000 You want to find it, it's there.

01:35:36.000 But I'm comfortable with who I am.

01:35:39.000 If you have this big problem with me, wouldn't you want your subject to sit and be like, open book?

01:35:43.000 You can do it live.

01:35:44.000 You can do all the footage.

01:35:45.000 They never do it.

01:35:46.000 Not once.

01:35:47.000 Of course, because they're not trying to have an objective analysis of who you are.

01:35:51.000 And you get to see them.

01:35:53.000 Yeah.

01:35:53.000 Like, you get to see what type of person, how they are.

01:35:55.000 Are they normal?

01:35:56.000 Are they not normal?

01:35:57.000 Do they squirm?

01:35:58.000 They never do it.

01:35:59.000 And they know your base will come for them.

01:36:00.000 Yes, that too.

01:36:01.000 We've had that.

01:36:03.000 People have criticized me for that, because there is a theory out there.

01:36:08.000 And I'm sure they say it with you, that I have a responsibility because we have this base.

01:36:13.000 So if somebody throws a jab at me on Twitter, says something, I have the responsibility not to respond.

01:36:19.000 If it's an individual that's not connected to a media?

01:36:22.000 No, they say anybody. 0.96

01:36:23.000 That's ridiculous. 0.96

01:36:24.000 Yeah, that's what I say. 0.98

01:36:25.000 Because that person also has a base.

01:36:27.000 That person has a platform.

01:36:28.000 That person has a megaphone.

01:36:29.000 And Twitter is a public square.

01:36:30.000 You're tagging me.

01:36:31.000 You're saying, like, I don't have to bite my tongue.

01:36:33.000 Even within Barstool, people feel differently.

01:36:35.000 They're like, well, don't do it because it does reflect. 1.00

01:36:38.000 You know, you can't control everybody, and we do have idiots who will say stuff that's too far over the edge. 1.00

01:36:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:45.000 How do you stop that?

01:36:46.000 You can't.

01:36:46.000 But at the same time, I'm not just going to let someone go there and take shots at me.

01:36:49.000 It's like, that's not my nature.

01:36:50.000 It's never been my nature.

01:36:52.000 So that's sometimes...

01:36:53.000 I've tried to be a little better with it, but it's not the best.

01:36:57.000 But it's an interesting thing because this is all very new.

01:37:00.000 The idea of podcasts and these independent platforms that reach millions of people has never existed in human history.

01:37:11.000 There's never been anything like this.

01:37:13.000 So guys like you and guys like me and people that are doing it, There's no road map to follow.

01:37:19.000 Now for young guys coming up or young girls coming up, like young non-binary folks coming up, they get to look at what we're doing and they see like a little bit of a road map. 0.90

01:37:28.000 So for people that are getting involved in this right now, I love the fact that some 17 year old kid in Michigan in his fucking apartment You know, or his bedroom can start a podcast.

01:37:42.000 And if people like it, they keep tuning in, and then it can grow, and it can get to a point where that person could be the number one podcaster in the world.

01:37:52.000 You see it with like Twitch streamers and YouTubers. 0.92

01:37:54.000 It's a fucking amazing time for that. 0.96

01:37:56.000 It levels the playing field. 0.99

01:37:57.000 You don't need a network.

01:37:59.000 Talent, generally, if you do it enough, can rise.

01:38:02.000 It's more than leveling the playing field because you're uninhibited.

01:38:05.000 You're unhindered by corporate interests.

01:38:08.000 So you have this ability to talk about things in a way that, like, there was never a long-form discussion of complicated ideas for hours and hours uncensored that ever existed before.

01:38:21.000 Right.

01:38:22.000 Didn't exist until podcasts came along.

01:38:24.000 So it's not even a level playing field.

01:38:26.000 They're working hindered.

01:38:28.000 They have ads. 0.99

01:38:30.000 They have to cut every fucking seven minutes and go to commercial break. 0.99

01:38:33.000 They have corporate interests that review what they're doing. 0.99

01:38:37.000 They have to have meetings with managers and executives.

01:38:40.000 I don't have any of that.

01:38:42.000 Zero.

01:38:42.000 So it's not level at all.

01:38:45.000 I have a monstrous advantage.

01:38:47.000 Above and beyond.

01:38:48.000 I'm drunk and high on 45% of the podcasts that I do.

01:38:53.000 Like, what are you talking...

01:38:53.000 There's no...

01:38:54.000 The advantage is 100% on my side.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:57.000 Because it didn't exist before.

01:38:58.000 And I'm a pioneer.

01:38:59.000 I'm one of the early guys.

01:39:01.000 So because I've been around it now for 13 years, I've been doing it for 13 years, I've amassed a following that's been paying attention for so long.

01:39:09.000 It's like, it's not even.

01:39:12.000 That's also why I think you're perceived, why I don't think, I know, as a threat.

01:39:18.000 Because you can say what you want, and you can also influence politics, whatever it may be, and they can't get to you, really.

01:39:28.000 Well, I don't know if that should be perceived as a threat.

01:39:31.000 I think they're looking at it the wrong way.

01:39:33.000 If they were an individual, I would say you shouldn't look at it that way.

01:39:36.000 You should look at, like, what are the benefits of doing something in the way that that person does and whether or not you can adjust and do whether— You don't think they—you don't think like— I'm sure they do.

01:39:48.000 But what I would say, if they were an individual, I know they're a corporation, so it's sort of a different entity, but if they were an individual, I would tell them, you're looking at it the wrong way.

01:39:57.000 If someone's out there killing it, don't look at that person as a threat.

01:40:01.000 Look at that person's like, what did they do?

01:40:02.000 How did they do that?

01:40:03.000 Why did they do that so differently?

01:40:05.000 Why is it so effective?

01:40:06.000 Maybe, what's the flaws in my delivery?

01:40:09.000 What's the flaws in my application?

01:40:11.000 What's the flaws in the way I'm promoting my thing?

01:40:14.000 And why doesn't that resonate with people?

01:40:17.000 If you have someone who speaks like a normal person, like who speaks like you would if you're having a drink with a buddy, that resonates with people.

01:40:25.000 They go, oh, I get it. 0.99

01:40:26.000 Dave Portnoy is a fucking regular guy. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Totally. 1.00

01:40:29.000 I get it.

01:40:29.000 I like to listen to him, even if I don't agree with him.

01:40:32.000 At least I know where he's coming from.

01:40:34.000 That's a regular person.

01:40:35.000 When you're listening to Don Lemon talk, you don't get any of that.

01:40:39.000 There's a way of discussing things that you know.

01:40:43.000 If that guy was in your living room talking like that, you'd be like, what's wrong with you?

01:40:46.000 We've got to get him out of here. 1.00

01:40:48.000 He's crazy. 1.00

01:40:49.000 I think he's on drugs. 1.00

01:40:50.000 Nobody talks like that.

01:40:53.000 Nobody talks like a news anchor when they're alone with you.

01:40:56.000 So that's one of the reasons why Greg Gutfeld works.

01:41:01.000 When that guy's doing his show, When they're sitting around with a bunch of people talking, they're laughing, they're talking normal.

01:41:08.000 Normal.

01:41:09.000 Normal.

01:41:10.000 Normal.

01:41:10.000 That's why it works so well.

01:41:11.000 People are like, how is that the number one late night show?

01:41:14.000 How is it not?

01:41:16.000 Right.

01:41:16.000 How is it not?

01:41:17.000 Look at what he's doing.

01:41:18.000 He's him.

01:41:19.000 That's across the board.

01:41:21.000 So we just did our first—we had the rights to a college football game, and we announced it as though we had a rooting interest because we did, and half the people loved it, half hated it.

01:41:32.000 But even the people hated it.

01:41:34.000 It's like, this is how we talk in our living room.

01:41:35.000 That's what people want.

01:41:36.000 They want just normal— That's what people want.

01:41:38.000 We used to do fight companions when I lived in L.A. Me and Brendan Schaub and Brian Cowen and Eddie Bravo. 0.99

01:41:44.000 We would do these fight companions where we would sit down and watch the UFC and talk shit and drink and get fucked up. 0.96

01:41:50.000 That's the Manning cast, which you're not a football guy, but that's what it is. 0.99

01:41:53.000 Same kind of deal.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, second screens.

01:41:55.000 Those fight companions would get way more views than the UFC would.

01:42:00.000 Because people would like to listen to us and they would also listen to us.

01:42:04.000 We would let them sync it up. 0.87

01:42:06.000 We would give them the exact time because it was like a bit of a delay because of the networks and all that shit. 0.57

01:42:11.000 So we would tell them.

01:42:13.000 And also if they were watching the fights afterwards, like if they had work and then after they got off work, they could sync it up.

01:42:18.000 I'd give them, like, on the first fight, we're at five seconds, six seconds, seven seconds, eight.

01:42:24.000 So they could pause that at eight seconds, rewind their thing to eight seconds, bam!

01:42:28.000 And so they were with us, and they would listen to that instead of the commentary.

01:42:31.000 100%.

01:42:31.000 I mean, we did that with normal sports.

01:42:33.000 We had the same thing.

01:42:35.000 We would turn the cameras early on us, like the Barstool people watching sports, in our biggest moments, because everyone wants a fan.

01:42:42.000 Like, someone hits a home run, Against your the biggest is always when your team loses people like to watch someone die on camera, which is great, but it's the fan experience It always works and that is what works with podcasts if someone's interesting Yes, if someone but if they're not God so fucking annoying like if you like I watch a lot of professional pool and There's a lot of telling me that yeah, 0.93

01:43:04.000 I'm addicted And then there's these pool commentators that are just fucking amateurs. 0.98

01:43:09.000 They're terrible. 1.00

01:43:10.000 They talk too much.

01:43:11.000 And then there's guys like Jeremy Jones.

01:43:12.000 It's amazing.

01:43:13.000 I can't wait to listen to him or Earl Strickland.

01:43:15.000 But the guys who are bad, they ruin it.

01:43:17.000 I just turn the volume down.

01:43:19.000 I don't even want to hear them talk. 1.00

01:43:20.000 They're stupid. 1.00

01:43:21.000 They talk too much. 1.00

01:43:22.000 They don't know what they're doing.

01:43:24.000 It's just if it's good.

01:43:26.000 But if it's good, it'll resonate.

01:43:29.000 People will like it.

01:43:30.000 If it's not, it won't.

01:43:31.000 And that's what it's supposed to be all about.

01:43:33.000 People are supposed to have the freedom to do something that other people enjoy.

01:43:38.000 And that's the most unique thing about this time, is this time you don't have to have any qualifications, you don't have to have any background in broadcasting from a specific institution or any of that.

01:43:50.000 You just be yourself.

01:43:51.000 Do your thing.

01:43:52.000 And even us.

01:43:55.000 When we've hired people from networks, it's crazy.

01:43:58.000 First, the internet.

01:43:59.000 The network people generally flame out with us a little bit because they want, they're expecting like a producer to be like, you gotta do this, this is set up.

01:44:08.000 Where people who are kind of born from the internet, They've gotten on our radar or wherever they are by just doing it themselves.

01:44:15.000 You don't need anybody, really.

01:44:18.000 That drives me nuts when people apply for us.

01:44:22.000 I can do this, I can do that.

01:44:24.000 It's like, you don't need us.

01:44:25.000 You should have a library that I can just go watch you.

01:44:28.000 Why do you need Barstool?

01:44:29.000 You don't need anything.

01:44:30.000 It's so easy to create your own content without Any help, really.

01:44:34.000 But they'd like to be connected with Barstool, because Barstool's a brand that also has a gigantic following already attached, so they know if they hook up with you, they'll get an audience.

01:44:44.000 We can be the gasoline.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:46.000 So we can blow somebody up.

01:44:49.000 But if you don't have it, and you're not motivated, like...

01:44:53.000 The example that I've given, Caller Daddy, which I think is second to you on Spotify, do you know that?

01:44:59.000 You give me a blank like you don't know that.

01:45:01.000 I don't pay attention.

01:45:02.000 You don't even know what it is.

01:45:04.000 I know what Caller Daddy is.

01:45:05.000 I know the whole controversy.

01:45:07.000 Do you know why I know the whole controversy?

01:45:09.000 No.

01:45:09.000 Because of my boy Andrew Schultz.

01:45:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:12.000 Andrew Schultz, who was supposed to go on a date with that one girl.

01:45:15.000 He told me that story.

01:45:16.000 Sophia Franklin.

01:45:17.000 So he bails on the date.

01:45:19.000 She goes out and meets the agent who winds up trying to negotiate this contract.

01:45:24.000 Suit guy.

01:45:24.000 Suit man.

01:45:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:25.000 Tell the story from...

01:45:27.000 You know it.

01:45:28.000 Yeah, well, I know it really good.

01:45:29.000 So call her daddy, Alex Cooper.

01:45:34.000 We saw a sizzle reel that she made.

01:45:36.000 So call her dad is now on Spotify.

01:45:38.000 She got a huge contract.

01:45:39.000 I think like three years, 60 mil.

01:45:40.000 She's great.

01:45:41.000 But we saw a sizzle reel.

01:45:43.000 Called her in.

01:45:43.000 I'd never seen anything like the sizzle reel.

01:45:46.000 And she sat down.

01:45:47.000 I'm like, who made this for you?

01:45:48.000 And she's like, I did.

01:45:49.000 I learned how to edit it.

01:45:50.000 I did all of it.

01:45:51.000 We just hired her on the spot when she said that.

01:45:53.000 She said, oh, by the way, I do it with another girl.

01:45:56.000 I'm bringing her with me.

01:45:57.000 It's like, okay, fine.

01:45:58.000 Didn't even meet the girl, Sophia Franklin, at the time.

01:46:01.000 The thing exploded.

01:46:03.000 Now, Barstool's been around close to 20 years.

01:46:06.000 It's no overnight success.

01:46:07.000 You were around for 12 years doing the podcasting.

01:46:10.000 They went from zero to 100. Like, within two months, it's all anybody was talking about.

01:46:15.000 Call her daddy, call her daddy. 1.00

01:46:17.000 So we hired them each 70 grand a year, three-year contracts.

01:46:21.000 You can look at, like, we'll reevaluate it at the end of the year.

01:46:25.000 This thing blew up so quick.

01:46:27.000 And they started looking around, being like, wait a minute, we're making 70 grand.

01:46:30.000 Our numbers, we should be making millions.

01:46:33.000 They're right.

01:46:33.000 They should have been if they were independent and they weren't through us, but it's kind of like the band model, right?

01:46:39.000 The band label.

01:46:39.000 You signed a thing.

01:46:41.000 So we did give them a raise.

01:46:43.000 They were each making about $500,000 by the end, I think, of year one.

01:46:48.000 Sophia Franklin's boyfriend, Suitman, was an executive at HBO. And what essentially happened is he started shopping...

01:47:02.000 We're good to go.

01:47:17.000 And we're trying to pay the bills for everybody.

01:47:19.000 So they came over for Barstool, Lore, and Caller Daddy.

01:47:23.000 We had a very famous meeting on the roof deck of where I lived.

01:47:26.000 It was Alex and Sophia.

01:47:28.000 And I said, listen, we own the IP. Caller Daddy was ours.

01:47:32.000 And I basically shortened their contract and agreed, I'll give you guys the IP. You guys just work one more year.

01:47:40.000 Somewhere in there.

01:47:40.000 Should have been two more.

01:47:42.000 They left.

01:47:43.000 I'm like, this is the deal of a lifetime.

01:47:45.000 We need to pay the bills and get them going.

01:47:48.000 Alex calls two days later and she says, listen, I want to take this deal.

01:47:53.000 Sophia is never going to take this deal. 0.96

01:47:55.000 She's in with her boyfriend.

01:47:57.000 They're shopping it around.

01:47:58.000 They're saying all these things.

01:47:59.000 It's not going to happen.

01:48:01.000 So I call both Sophia.

01:48:03.000 And Alex.

01:48:04.000 I said, we're going to do a deal with Alex.

01:48:06.000 Sophia, you come or you don't come, but we're moving forward.

01:48:10.000 Didn't hear anything back from Sophia.

01:48:12.000 Alex, we do the deal with, and it's all because of the boyfriend.

01:48:18.000 We had Scooter Braun.

01:48:19.000 This is also, you know, Scooter Braun, he's Bieber's agent.

01:48:23.000 He calls, I've never talked to Scooter Braun, ever.

01:48:26.000 I got a call from a guy I know, Dave Grutman, who's like a Miami nightlife guy.

01:48:30.000 He goes, hey, I got Scooter Braun on the other line.

01:48:33.000 Will you talk to him?

01:48:34.000 I go, yeah, but you tell him.

01:48:36.000 Everything he says to me is on the record. 0.99

01:48:38.000 Like, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:48:39.000 Like, I'm in my own world. 1.00

01:48:39.000 I could give a fuck less who Scooter Braun is. 1.00

01:48:42.000 So Scooter Braun gets on the phone. 0.99

01:48:44.000 He goes, I talked to Sophia Franklin.

01:48:46.000 This is after we already moved along.

01:48:48.000 He's like, I think you should take her back.

01:48:50.000 Do the deal.

01:48:52.000 I was like, alright, whatever.

01:48:53.000 We're already moving on.

01:48:54.000 Hung up, made a video instantly.

01:48:56.000 I'm like, Scooter Braun just called me. 0.99

01:48:57.000 Who the fuck does Scooter Braun think he is? 0.99

01:48:59.000 And the rest is so much history. 0.99

01:49:02.000 Alex went, got this huge deal.

01:49:04.000 She's killing it. 1.00

01:49:05.000 Besides you, I think she's just about the biggest podcast out there. 0.99

01:49:09.000 And Sophia went on her way.

01:49:12.000 I... I went nuts.

01:49:14.000 I actually hijacked their stream.

01:49:17.000 We had their stream, and they hadn't posted in maybe two or three months.

01:49:22.000 I just went on.

01:49:23.000 All these Caller Daddy fans thought it was going to be the next Caller Daddy.

01:49:27.000 It was just me explaining what the situation was.

01:49:30.000 And all their fans had no idea who I was. 0.99

01:49:32.000 Like, who the fuck's this guy? 0.99

01:49:34.000 Wow. 1.00

01:49:36.000 They went their separate ways.

01:49:37.000 And what actually happened with them behind the scenes, who knows?

01:49:40.000 I believe Alex's side of the events, but it really seemed like he thought he was going to take them, be their manager.

01:49:47.000 There was some big network that basically had the deal ready for them.

01:49:52.000 So it turned into a huge thing.

01:49:53.000 It was all during COVID. It was a big story.

01:49:56.000 What is Sophia doing now? 1.00

01:49:57.000 She has her own podcast, Sophia with an F. She's not my favorite person.

01:50:03.000 She's not my favorite person.

01:50:04.000 Well, I gotta think that people like that are influenced by the people that were...

01:50:09.000 Is that guy still her boyfriend?

01:50:10.000 No.

01:50:11.000 And you know what's crazy?

01:50:12.000 I thought, if you asked me beforehand...

01:50:16.000 That guy cost her millions.

01:50:17.000 Millions.

01:50:18.000 Millions.

01:50:19.000 Millions and millions.

01:50:20.000 Imagine how long that podcast could have kept going.

01:50:23.000 And everything, only IP. And they could have left and gone to Spotify the same way with her attached, and she would be fucking driving a pink Rolls Royce and balling out of control. 1.00

01:50:33.000 I don't know that she's doing terribly. 0.80

01:50:36.000 She's certainly not doing what Alex is.

01:50:39.000 And what does Alex do now for a co-host?

01:50:41.000 Does she have a co-host? 0.98

01:50:42.000 Solo.

01:50:43.000 Just took it.

01:50:44.000 So it went from splitting it 50-50, she just took it all.

01:50:47.000 Yeah.

01:50:48.000 That was crazy.

01:50:49.000 Crazy.

01:50:50.000 It's weird when there's one person that's like the driving force behind it, but then another person is connected to it.

01:50:57.000 That person thinks that they should be the person.

01:50:59.000 And it was a he said, she said on who was doing it.

01:51:01.000 Boyfriend is also in the business and he, listen, trust me, I got this.

01:51:05.000 I'm gonna handle this. 0.89

01:51:06.000 And also he's like the new boyfriend who's fucking excited about it all. 0.95

01:51:11.000 I mean, he's actually a boxing guy. 0.96

01:51:13.000 I've never met him.

01:51:15.000 He's a boxing guy?

01:51:16.000 Yeah, he did all HBO boxing. 0.98

01:51:19.000 Interesting, which doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately, which is a fucking terrible tragedy.

01:51:23.000 I used to love HBO Boxing. 0.98

01:51:27.000 Jim Lampley and fucking Roy Jones Jr. Legendary Knights are like the best. 0.97

01:51:31.000 Have you seen those documentaries? 0.79

01:51:34.000 HBO Boxing was one of the greatest institutions that ever existed, and the fact that they went away made me so fucking sad.

01:51:41.000 I couldn't understand why they would do that.

01:51:44.000 They put on some of the most amazing fights ever.

01:51:47.000 And the broadcast was excellent.

01:51:49.000 Jim Lampley's the best of the best.

01:51:51.000 He was so good.

01:51:52.000 Other than John Anik, who I think is the GOAT, John Anik is the greatest play-by-play guy that has ever existed.

01:52:00.000 He's the best.

01:52:00.000 And then Lampley, for me, was the best in boxing.

01:52:04.000 And Howard Letterman. 0.97

01:52:05.000 He was so fucking smooth. 0.98

01:52:06.000 Howard Letterman. 0.97

01:52:06.000 They had it all. 0.97

01:52:07.000 Everybody. 1.00

01:52:08.000 I mean, fucking, it was amazing. 1.00

01:52:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:52:10.000 The different people that they had that would sit in and do commentary. 0.99

01:52:14.000 It was fucking perfect. 0.97

01:52:16.000 It was the perfect group. 0.99

01:52:18.000 It really was.

01:52:19.000 It was perfect for boxing. 1.00

01:52:20.000 It always had that big fight feel, but boxing's so fucked up. 1.00

01:52:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:52:23.000 I mean, I love boxing. 0.99

01:52:25.000 Larry Merchant was get all grumpy and shit. 0.99

01:52:27.000 Remember when Larry Merchant was... 1.00

01:52:28.000 Perfectly grumpy.

01:52:30.000 Remember when he was in the ring with Floyd Mayweather? 1.00

01:52:33.000 I was 20 years younger, I'd kick your ass. 1.00

01:52:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:52:38.000 It's the craziest thing that anybody could ever say ever.

01:52:41.000 You're literally talking to the greatest boxer the world has ever known.

01:52:45.000 And you're saying, play that, play that.

01:52:47.000 Let me hear this.

01:52:48.000 Exactly.

01:52:49.000 Even though it appeared that he wasn't protecting himself and thought that that was part of the ceremony that you were going through of apology, that you unfairly took advantage of it.

01:53:05.000 What do you say to those who say, What'd you do there?

01:53:09.000 You were winning the fight and in charge.

01:53:10.000 I just want to say to everybody that bought pay-per-view, that came out to Las Vegas, thank you.

01:53:14.000 Floyd, you know you're a promoter, but now we're talking to you as a prize fighter.

01:53:20.000 Let's take a look at what happened at the end of the fight, and you describe it.

01:53:28.000 I love this moment.

01:53:29.000 We touch.

01:53:30.000 We touch gloves.

01:53:32.000 We back to fight hook.

01:53:35.000 Right here.

01:53:36.000 And that's all she wrote.

01:53:38.000 So, for you, it was just an automatic response.

01:53:42.000 Let's get on with the fight.

01:53:44.000 Let's protect yourself at our time.

01:53:46.000 He done something dirty.

01:53:48.000 We're not here to cry and complain about what he did dirty or what I did dirty.

01:53:52.000 I was victorious.

01:53:53.000 If he won a rematch, he can get a rematch.

01:53:57.000 You were in charge of the fight.

01:54:00.000 You were aggressive. 1.00

01:54:19.000 I wish I was 50 years younger and I'd kick your ass. 1.00

01:54:31.000 First of all, I'm on Team Floyd Mayweather in that exchange. 1.00

01:54:33.000 You gotta protect yourself at all times?

01:54:35.000 You have to protect yourself at all times.

01:54:37.000 Also, Victor Ortiz did do something dirty.

01:54:40.000 He headbutted him.

01:54:40.000 Also, you know, that's just all within the rules of boxing.

01:54:44.000 That's why he won the fight.

01:54:46.000 Also, Larry Merchant, I don't agree with the way he communicates with fighters.

01:54:49.000 The way I communicate with fighters...

01:54:52.000 I try to be 100% respectful at all times and also with reverence to the fact that these people, they trained for their whole life and then, you know, 6 to 12 weeks for this particular event.

01:55:05.000 When I'm in the ring and I'm in the cage and I'm trying to interview a fighter, all I'm trying to do is try to get that person to express themselves the best way that they can, as respectfully as they can.

01:55:15.000 I would have not talked to him like that.

01:55:18.000 Yeah, you come across to me as part of the brotherhood of the fighting community.

01:55:23.000 Whereas I get, like, Larry Merchant, even, like, Jim Gray.

01:55:27.000 Like, I don't get that.

01:55:28.000 They come across very different to me.

01:55:30.000 And I don't mean, like, you're carrying anybody's water.

01:55:33.000 They're sports broadcasters.

01:55:35.000 Yes, right.

01:55:36.000 You are part of the UFC. I also...

01:55:41.000 I do it from a deep respect.

01:55:46.000 Like...

01:55:47.000 Yeah, well, that's even what we were talking about earlier.

01:55:51.000 Your training and all, that's what I mean.

01:55:54.000 They're coming at it totally different.

01:55:56.000 Well, Larry Merchant came from a different world.

01:55:58.000 You know, it's a different world.

01:55:59.000 Back in that world, the sports world, the way sports broadcasters talk about athletes is very different than the way fight broadcasters talk about athletes.

01:56:09.000 You know, sports broadcasters will call athletes bums, they'll call athletes, you know, he's lazy, he's this, he's that. 0.97

01:56:15.000 I will never fucking say that in a million years. 0.94

01:56:18.000 I also think Social media sort of changed because in his era athletes couldn't go direct to social media and express themselves. 0.98

01:56:28.000 That was him going direct.

01:56:29.000 Yeah, right.

01:56:29.000 That was him expressing himself.

01:56:31.000 Exactly.

01:56:31.000 Look, you know, I don't think Floyd's wrong.

01:56:35.000 I think Floyd's right.

01:56:36.000 And I love Larry Merchant, but you know, look, that's just what it is.

01:56:40.000 I think the whole exchange is hilarious.

01:56:41.000 Hilarious.

01:56:42.000 It's amazing.

01:56:43.000 But I would never talk to Floyd Mayweather that way.

01:56:45.000 I would try to get him to express himself the best way possible.

01:56:50.000 When he said, I want to thank the fans for coming out, I would let him say that.

01:56:53.000 I would have let him get it all out of his system.

01:56:56.000 And I would say, so your perspective is that he should have protected himself at all times.

01:57:01.000 I would have said, what did you feel like when he headbutted you?

01:57:04.000 That's what I probably would have said.

01:57:05.000 That was a crazy moment.

01:57:06.000 What did you feel like?

01:57:07.000 I just want him to express himself.

01:57:09.000 It's not about me.

01:57:10.000 It's about me trying to figure out the best way to get the fighter to express themselves.

01:57:16.000 I want them to have, like, did you ever see Michael Chandler? 0.74

01:57:20.000 When Michael Chandler called out Conor McGregor, he's like one of the fucking greatest post-fight speeches of all time.

01:57:27.000 I barely talked, you know, and he was just talking about, I am the most entertaining fighter in the UFC! I was like, fuck yeah! 0.99

01:57:35.000 I don't want to interrupt! 0.99

01:57:37.000 No, no, no!

01:57:38.000 No, no, no!

01:57:39.000 You tell me why, this and that and that.

01:57:41.000 To Merchant's defense, defense may not be the right word.

01:57:45.000 He's just an old guy.

01:57:46.000 Play this, play this, play this from the beginning. 1.00

01:57:55.000 Find it without this fucking shitty music. 1.00

01:57:57.000 Jesus Christ, people ruin everything. 1.00

01:57:59.000 Why would you have music over that louder than him talking? 1.00

01:58:02.000 Fucking Cherkoffs. 1.00

01:58:04.000 Find the real one. 1.00

01:58:07.000 Oh, it's got to be available.

01:58:09.000 Okay, just try to find it.

01:58:11.000 No worries.

01:58:12.000 Larry Merch is an old dude, so he can sort of play that role.

01:58:15.000 It's a different world.

01:58:16.000 Different time, different era.

01:58:18.000 And he didn't start out as a fighter.

01:58:21.000 Well, that's what I'm...

01:58:22.000 Yeah, it's like...

01:58:23.000 Ladies and gentlemen, referee Jason...

01:58:26.000 Spectacular.

01:58:28.000 It's the first time I just got outside, inside of you, and God came through.

01:58:33.000 Here we are.

01:58:33.000 You were saying something to your corner in between rounds about your right eye.

01:58:37.000 Yeah, it's the first time I've been hit, and then my vision went double vision.

01:58:42.000 Don't tell the commission.

01:58:43.000 Is it back now?

01:58:44.000 No, it's fine.

01:58:45.000 It's fine.

01:58:45.000 I think it just swelled up pretty quick.

01:58:47.000 I think we're good.

01:58:48.000 Listen, I'm ready to come back.

01:58:51.000 The main event!

01:58:52.000 There is not one Iberman fan on the planet that doesn't want to see me rematch you, Charles!

01:59:00.000 Or rematch you, Dustin Gaethje!

01:59:03.000 A rematch of Fight of the Year 2021!

01:59:07.000 Five rounds for the UFC lightweight title!

01:59:10.000 If Hunter Campbell and Dana White have a momentary lapse of judgment and they give the title shot to someone else, I got one dude on my mind!

01:59:21.000 Conor McGregor, you gotta come back to fight somebody.

01:59:26.000 I am the most entertaining lightweight overplayed, but I want to off the stage, Conor.

01:59:32.000 I want you at your biggest, I want you at the baddest, and I want you at your best.

01:59:37.000 You and me at 170 this summer, this fall, this winter.

01:59:42.000 God bless.

01:59:44.000 I'll see you at the top.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, it's a great speech.

01:59:49.000 You have totally different techniques.

01:59:53.000 Also, you're the announcer.

01:59:58.000 Larry Merchant has his two minutes, sort of, to get.

02:00:02.000 No, but he's an announcer, too.

02:00:03.000 Does he call the fights?

02:00:04.000 Yeah, he calls the fights.

02:00:05.000 Well, then I retract that.

02:00:06.000 That made no sense.

02:00:07.000 But you're very different.

02:00:08.000 You let the fighters shine.

02:00:10.000 I want them to shine.

02:00:12.000 I want that.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, that was great.

02:00:14.000 Great.

02:00:15.000 A lot of them have great.

02:00:16.000 The UFC guys are great on the mic.

02:00:18.000 And the mic, for that one thing that's never changed, for the fight game, the mic matters.

02:00:22.000 They're learning.

02:00:23.000 They're learning.

02:00:24.000 And they're learning, I think, because of Conor.

02:00:26.000 Conor changed everything.

02:00:27.000 And Chael Sonnen changed it first.

02:00:29.000 Chael Sonnen was the first.

02:00:30.000 Because Chael Sonnen did it in a way...

02:00:33.000 Well, he's like super witty. 0.99

02:00:35.000 He's fucking great! 1.00

02:00:36.000 When he said, Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck! 1.00

02:00:40.000 He's literally talking about the greatest middleweight of all time, who was a fucking ninja. 1.00

02:00:47.000 He was an assassin. 0.99

02:00:48.000 He was in the Matrix.

02:00:51.000 When he was at his best... 1.00

02:00:53.000 Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck! 1.00

02:00:57.000 And look at Anderson. 1.00

02:00:59.000 Anderson knows he's gonna light that dude up like a Christmas tree.

02:01:05.000 Super Bowl weekend, the biggest rematch in the history of the business.

02:01:10.000 I'm calling you out, Silva, but we're up in the stakes.

02:01:15.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 Chael, he has, like, WWE microphone skills.

02:01:22.000 Oh, my God, he's so good.

02:01:23.000 He's so smart, and he's so witty, and he's so good at it.

02:01:26.000 You know, when he got popped for steroids and a bunch of stuff...

02:01:32.000 He and I had a conversation about it.

02:01:34.000 He goes, you know that the USDA, USADA? Turns out they're really good.

02:01:40.000 They're really good at catching you.

02:01:42.000 From the outside, he's always been as good as you can be on a mic.

02:01:45.000 Well, he opened up a lot of people's eyes to what you could accomplish with that. 0.99

02:01:50.000 Because although Chael was a world-class fighter, defeated world champion, submitted Mauricio Shogun, who, I mean, he beat guys when they were at the top of their fucking game, who were, like, beat Nate Marquardt when he was a Fucking killer. 0.99

02:02:04.000 I mean, Chael Sonnen was a beast. 0.99

02:02:06.000 He was really fucking good. 0.98

02:02:08.000 And people get confused about that because of like his antics and his... 0.97

02:02:12.000 I mean, he's not the guy that's gonna beat Jon Jones.

02:02:15.000 He's not the guy that's gonna beat Anderson Silva. 0.97

02:02:17.000 He almost beat Anderson Silva, but Anderson Silva had a fucked up rib going into that fight and wound up submitting him in the last round with a fucking triangle, which was wild. 0.97

02:02:26.000 But... 0.99

02:02:27.000 Cheo opened up people's eyes to the benefit and the value of promotion.

02:02:31.000 And to be witty and entertaining and get people invested in you fighting. 0.99

02:02:39.000 They wanted to see you get your ass kicked. 1.00

02:02:40.000 They wanted to see you win. 1.00

02:02:41.000 They wanted to see there was some shit talking going on. 0.99

02:02:44.000 And then Conor McGregor took that to a completely new level. 0.99

02:02:47.000 And while he also had the combo, if you have the, you know, you can talk like him and back it up.

02:02:52.000 Yes.

02:02:53.000 Yeah, you can talk like him and you're also the elite of the elite, you know?

02:02:57.000 That's how you become Conor McGregor.

02:02:58.000 Yeah, I mean, but just like, that is very, very valuable.

02:03:02.000 And promotion is very, very valuable.

02:03:04.000 And they learned that.

02:03:06.000 And I wanted to help those guys do that in those moments.

02:03:10.000 All I'm trying to do is get...

02:03:12.000 I've had conversations with people that wind up getting jobs like that and other promotions.

02:03:17.000 And I say, it's not about you.

02:03:19.000 Make sure you know it's not about you.

02:03:21.000 All you're trying to do is get them to give the best interview that they can give.

02:03:25.000 And just stay out of the way.

02:03:27.000 Stay out of the way and make it as entertaining as possible.

02:03:31.000 Like when Derrick Lewis takes his shorts off in the middle of the cage, and I go, why'd you take your shirts off? 0.97

02:03:36.000 He goes, my balls was hot. 0.99

02:03:38.000 I mean, they're all crazy. 0.99

02:03:40.000 And I'm like, I understand, sir. 0.94

02:03:41.000 Okay.

02:03:42.000 I mean, my whole thing is just make them shine.

02:03:45.000 That's all I'm trying to do.

02:03:46.000 And occasionally, occasionally I have to confront them about certain things.

02:03:51.000 Like when Hamzat Chemaev beat Kevin Holland.

02:03:54.000 See if you can find that interview.

02:03:55.000 When Hamzat Chemaev beat Kevin Holland, I was in a very interesting situation because Hamzat weighed in eight and a half pounds overweight.

02:04:03.000 And he fucked up the entire main event because he was supposed to be fighting Nate Diaz.

02:04:08.000 So I was in this situation where I wanted to praise Hamzat because he just ragdolled Kevin Holland in one of the most spectacular performances of the year. 1.00

02:04:17.000 I mean, he showed why he's the motherfucker of motherfuckers and why everybody's scared of him. 0.99

02:04:21.000 But also, he weighed in eight and a half pounds overweight. 1.00

02:04:24.000 He fucked up the entire promotion. 0.98

02:04:25.000 Like, why did it happen? 0.98

02:04:27.000 And so, like...

02:04:28.000 Play it for me again.

02:04:30.000 This is Chechnya.

02:04:53.000 I saw this.

02:04:54.000 I actually watched this fight.

02:04:56.000 He came into this fight far overweight.

02:05:00.000 What was that all about? 0.98

02:05:02.000 I don't care about that s**t, bro. 1.00

02:05:04.000 I killed that guy. 1.00

02:05:05.000 Gotta go for everybody. 1.00

02:05:06.000 I can't grab you.

02:05:07.000 I'm here.

02:05:08.000 Let's come now.

02:05:10.000 Give it to both guys from last year.

02:05:12.000 I fight the both of them.

02:05:13.000 I know you don't care about that now, but if you want to compete for the welterweight title, it's important that they know you can make 170 pounds.

02:05:20.000 Yes, of course.

02:05:21.000 So watch.

02:05:23.000 I'm supposed to make that weight as well, but doctors stop me.

02:05:27.000 Nobody can stop me.

02:05:28.000 If I die, I die in the cage.

02:05:31.000 I didn't come here and make my weight.

02:05:32.000 I died in my bed.

02:05:33.000 I can't die in the cage.

02:05:35.000 I've died in the cage.

02:05:36.000 I've never lived in that cage now.

02:05:38.000 It's my home.

02:05:39.000 I can take everything from you guys.

02:05:42.000 I believe that, Hamzat. 0.97

02:05:43.000 But imagine if this was a fight for the title, and you came in eight pounds over, it wouldn't have taken place.

02:05:49.000 It was lower.

02:05:51.000 The guy said to me, the doctor, you have to drink water and make some vitamins and s**t. 0.94

02:05:56.000 And they let me do that s**t. 0.68

02:06:07.000 So the doctor told you to stop cutting the weight, but you believe you still could have made it? 0.92

02:06:11.000 Yes.

02:06:12.000 Okay, let's take a look at the finish because it was absolutely...

02:06:14.000 I give you the most credit.

02:06:16.000 I had a hard time.

02:06:17.000 You understood him perfectly.

02:06:18.000 I love that dude.

02:06:19.000 I love that dude.

02:06:20.000 You may be the only one.

02:06:21.000 That crowd was... 0.99

02:06:22.000 I fucking love him to death. 0.99

02:06:24.000 He's got the opposite effect. 0.99

02:06:25.000 The whole crowd was booing him.

02:06:26.000 Yeah!

02:06:27.000 By the way, just as good as cheering.

02:06:29.000 I don't know why they were booing him.

02:06:31.000 I mean, they can do whatever they want.

02:06:33.000 That's their reaction.

02:06:34.000 What do you mean, why they're booing him?

02:06:34.000 He basically...

02:06:36.000 Did you watch that interview? 1.00

02:06:38.000 He missed weight, and then he's basically like, fuck you, fuck you. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Yeah, I get that. 1.00

02:06:43.000 But, you know, Kevin Holland was supposed to be fighting Daniel Rodriguez at 180 pounds.

02:06:47.000 So Kevin Holland was 180. He was at 180. He fought a guy that was at his weight class in that fight and dominated.

02:06:54.000 Here's a question, then, with fighting.

02:06:56.000 Like, I know at boxing...

02:06:58.000 You don't study your opponent?

02:07:01.000 But that was not the right opponent.

02:07:02.000 Kevin Holland was not supposed to have that opponent.

02:07:04.000 Correct.

02:07:04.000 So Kevin Holland...

02:07:05.000 Kevin Holland was supposed to fight Danny Rodriguez, who's primarily a stand-up guy.

02:07:09.000 So did Kevin Holland have a choice?

02:07:10.000 Like, no, I don't want this fight?

02:07:12.000 Absolutely.

02:07:12.000 Got it.

02:07:13.000 Because, I mean... 0.77

02:07:13.000 Kevin Holland's a gangster. 0.77

02:07:15.000 He'll fight anybody. 1.00

02:07:15.000 And he said, I'll fucking take it. 1.00

02:07:17.000 I'll take it. 1.00

02:07:19.000 You know, Kevin Holland's a fucking entertaining guy, but this is for a fight where you just trained stand-up and you're against literally the best wrestler in the division who's a fucking motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:31.000 That guy is a motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:32.000 Hamzat ragdolls people and talks shit while he's doing it. 1.00

02:07:35.000 He picked up Li Jingleon and carried him to Dana White while he was talking shit. 1.00

02:07:40.000 Yeah, well, that's my point, though. 0.99

02:07:42.000 What you're saying is a gangster, so he took the fight.

02:07:44.000 Like, you train for one guy, then you get arguably the best guy who's a totally different style.

02:07:48.000 He had to just do what he did and hope that his skills would prevail, and they didn't. 1.00

02:07:53.000 He got fucked up. 0.97

02:07:54.000 But if he survived that, let me tell you something, the pace that Han Zopp put on in that first round, I don't know if he would have been able to do that for three rounds. 0.99

02:08:01.000 He might have significantly tired if he didn't get that finish.

02:08:06.000 Because the amount of...

02:08:07.000 Look at this. 0.99

02:08:07.000 He picks up Lee Jingleon, and he carries him over to Dana White, drops him down, and while he was doing it, he was talking shit to Dana. 0.99

02:08:15.000 Like, when he's... 0.61

02:08:16.000 You've not seen it here, but before that, when he picks up Lee Jingleon...

02:08:20.000 I don't even think this was that.

02:08:21.000 This is a different...

02:08:22.000 This is a different opponent. 1.00

02:08:23.000 This is just him fucking... 1.00

02:08:24.000 He just carries people around. 1.00

02:08:25.000 This is him ragdolling people. 1.00

02:08:27.000 But when he fought Li Jingliang, he literally hoisted him up.

02:08:31.000 Is it right here?

02:08:32.000 No, that's an uppercut.

02:08:33.000 That's in another organization.

02:08:35.000 So he carries Li Jingliang over to Dana White.

02:08:38.000 He's looking over at Dana White. 1.00

02:08:40.000 He's like, I fucking kill everyone! 0.99

02:08:42.000 Like, he's lifting the dude in the... 0.99

02:08:45.000 That's not Lee Jing Leon either.

02:08:46.000 That's another guy.

02:08:48.000 He just carries people then because he's two different characters. 0.97

02:08:51.000 He's just a monster.

02:08:51.000 But the fact that he's literally hoisting Lee Jing Leon, who's a top flight fighter.

02:08:56.000 Top flight welterweight fighter.

02:08:58.000 He's holding him up in the air and talking to Dana White. 0.99

02:09:00.000 I kill everyone! 0.99

02:09:02.000 He's like in the middle of a fight. 0.99

02:09:03.000 Everybody talks to Dana White. 1.00

02:09:04.000 Yeah, but during the middle of a fight, while you're fucking a guy up, before you even decide to fuck him up, you're holding him up in the air, talking shit. 0.99

02:09:12.000 That's how good that guy is. 0.99

02:09:14.000 He's so good, and he's so focused and dedicated. 1.00

02:09:18.000 Hamza Chemaev is a fucking terrifying human being. 0.98

02:09:21.000 So who's his, like... 1.00

02:09:23.000 Okay, so on the casual, I know who he is now.

02:09:26.000 I've known who he is.

02:09:27.000 I don't know how to pronounce his name.

02:09:28.000 But he's a guy, if they got a fight, who's capable of giving him a fight?

02:09:34.000 Everybody in the division.

02:09:35.000 The top guys.

02:09:37.000 Bilal Muhammad, Leon Edwards, who's the champion, Kamaru Usman.

02:09:40.000 All those guys are very capable of giving him a fight.

02:09:43.000 So is Usman, he's a huge name, obviously.

02:09:45.000 He's the one who got caught by Edwards.

02:09:47.000 So is that the next fight?

02:09:49.000 I think Usman, the rumor was that he has to get hand surgery.

02:09:54.000 Kamaru Usman had a tear in one of the ligaments in his hand that had bothered him for a long time and was misdiagnosed, and then he eventually wound up getting surgery.

02:10:04.000 And he got that surgery before the Leon Edwards fight, but I believe the word is...

02:10:10.000 That he needs another surgery for his hand.

02:10:13.000 I don't know if it's the same hand.

02:10:15.000 I don't know what it is.

02:10:16.000 But I do know that there's been talk of whether or not he will fight Leon Edwards for the title in England now.

02:10:23.000 Because that's a giant fight.

02:10:25.000 Leon's coming home.

02:10:27.000 Spectacular knockout, one of the greatest head kick knockouts, if not the greatest, the most consequential in the history of sport.

02:10:32.000 Fifth round, down on the cards, a minute to go, and then again, that's why John Anik is the GOAT. John Anik is literally saying that he could stop, and he could resign himself to his fate, but that's not the cloth he's cut from.

02:10:44.000 Boom! 0.99

02:10:45.000 Head kick! 0.99

02:10:46.000 Right after he says that.

02:10:47.000 The greatest call in the history of MMA, and maybe the history of all sports.

02:10:51.000 And then that would be the big fight, the rematch, because Kamara was winning that fight, and if he just chose to fight defensively and move away that round, he would have won that fight.

02:11:02.000 But he engaged and he got head kicked.

02:11:04.000 That would be the big fight.

02:11:06.000 But if Leon...

02:11:08.000 Wants to fight in March, and if Kamaru can't recover in time, maybe it was a minor surgery that only needed a few weeks off and he can get back.

02:11:17.000 I don't know what the story is, but I've heard various stories.

02:11:20.000 I haven't talked to Leon.

02:11:21.000 I haven't talked to Dana about it.

02:11:22.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:11:24.000 What is the latest?

02:11:25.000 The latest I saw, it's still from December.

02:11:29.000 Wonderboy Thompson said something in an interview, and then Ali said that's fake news, and I can't find another update newer than that.

02:11:37.000 Hmm.

02:11:38.000 He said he was supposed to have hand surgery, is what Thompson was saying.

02:11:41.000 They might want him to fight Edwards.

02:11:43.000 Well, dude, but Thompson broke his hand in that fight, too.

02:11:47.000 Thompson broke his hand in the fight with Kevin Holland.

02:11:50.000 Kevin Holland broke his hand on Wonderboy, and Wonderboy broke his hand on Kevin Holland.

02:11:54.000 He said they're looking at Jorge Masvidal.

02:11:56.000 No, that's a good fight.

02:11:57.000 That's a good fight because Jorge Masvidal sucker-punched Leon Edwards backstage when Jorge just won a fight, and then I think he just knocked out Darren Till.

02:12:08.000 Masvidal was my most Miami night I've ever had.

02:12:11.000 What happened?

02:12:12.000 I love him!

02:12:14.000 So, I am in Miami, and I got invited to a barbecue at Masvidal's house.

02:12:24.000 And I've known Masvidal from the early, like, you know, backyard fights, basically.

02:12:29.000 Oh, wow.

02:12:29.000 The Kimbo stuff, yeah.

02:12:31.000 It's like, alright, I'll go to this.

02:12:33.000 They asked...

02:12:35.000 There it is.

02:12:37.000 They actually asked me.

02:12:39.000 They go, you bringing a girlfriend?

02:12:42.000 And I was like, should I? Like, I will.

02:12:46.000 I don't even know how they had, they knew I had a girlfriend.

02:12:49.000 Like, no, don't bring her if you're coming to this.

02:12:51.000 It's like, all right, fine.

02:12:52.000 It was, they had a girl sitting next to me who was like, Assigned to me, basically.

02:13:01.000 Everywhere I went, the girl was following. 0.98

02:13:05.000 And finally, they're like, are you not interested?

02:13:08.000 It's like, no, I'm not interested.

02:13:11.000 I have a girlfriend.

02:13:12.000 She was there for me.

02:13:14.000 It was a wild, wild experience.

02:13:18.000 They had all this food, barbecue, everything.

02:13:20.000 But that was, to me, he's like the real king of Miami.

02:13:24.000 It was a...

02:13:25.000 It was a wild, wild barbecue. 1.00

02:13:28.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:13:30.000 That knockout of Ben Askren was one of the craziest knockouts in the history of sport. 1.00

02:13:34.000 That was crazy.

02:13:36.000 And one of the great celebrations of all time.

02:13:40.000 The sleep celebration.

02:13:42.000 And he punched him a couple times while he's out cold.

02:13:45.000 Somebody did that celebration the other night.

02:13:47.000 They mimicked it.

02:13:48.000 I forget what I was watching, but they mimicked the Masvidal. 0.93

02:13:51.000 That to me is like maybe the most iconic celebration I've seen.

02:13:55.000 It's one of them.

02:13:56.000 It's definitely one of them.

02:13:57.000 It was just a perfectly timed and a clever knockout.

02:14:02.000 He did it on purpose.

02:14:02.000 He did it.

02:14:03.000 He planned it out.

02:14:04.000 And you could see him training that.

02:14:06.000 There's video footage of him training.

02:14:07.000 I saw that.

02:14:08.000 Because he knew that Askren's instinct was 100% going to shoot.

02:14:11.000 And if he gave him that opportunity, so he came at him like this, then he went at him at an angle.

02:14:16.000 And then when he went at an angle, Askren is just immediately going to try to contain him.

02:14:20.000 That's in his instinct. 1.00

02:14:21.000 It's his fucking DNA. He's an elite wrestler. 1.00

02:14:24.000 And then he comes at him with that flying knee.

02:14:26.000 I like Ben.

02:14:27.000 Ben has one of the...

02:14:28.000 Now his legacy is getting knocked out for a guy who was like, what you said, a world-class wrestler.

02:14:34.000 Well, we got him, unfortunately.

02:14:37.000 I was one of the reasons why he got into the UFC, because I was telling Dana forever, you've got to get this guy.

02:14:43.000 He's great.

02:14:44.000 He's great with the mouth.

02:14:45.000 And he's a specialist, man.

02:14:46.000 When he was in Bellator, that's when he was in his prime. 0.94

02:14:49.000 When we got him in the UFC, he already had fucked up hip. 0.64

02:14:52.000 He had a hip replacement.

02:14:53.000 And then when he fought Jake Paul in the boxing match, which he had no business in doing, he just did it because he just gave it a try and a lot of money.

02:15:01.000 Yeah, right.

02:15:02.000 He had no business doing that.

02:15:03.000 That's not his sport. 1.00

02:15:04.000 But when he was in Bellator, when he was the champion in Bellator, he was a motherfucker. 0.99

02:15:10.000 He would ragdoll people like Douglas Lima and Andre Koroskov, all these elite killer fighters. 1.00

02:15:17.000 And I was like, Jesus Christ, could he do this to everybody?

02:15:20.000 He might be able to do this to everybody.

02:15:21.000 And he might have been able to do that to everybody if they fought him during that time period.

02:15:26.000 But unfortunately, he was in Bellator, and Bellator was always considered like the B League.

02:15:31.000 Right.

02:15:32.000 It was always like guys who fought there, they fought there because they couldn't fight in the UFC. And I was like, maybe for some of them, but I don't think that's the case for...

02:15:41.000 There's guys over there in Bellator, guys like Douglas Lima, that I could think could beat anybody in the world.

02:15:47.000 They just have to be in the situation where they could fight them.

02:15:51.000 And that's how I felt about Ben Askren at that time. 0.92

02:15:54.000 I'm like, he's so fucking good, man. 0.98

02:15:56.000 He's so fucking good. 0.97

02:15:58.000 And his wrestling was so above and beyond what everybody else's was. 0.97

02:16:02.000 That he would get a hold of you and you were just going down.

02:16:04.000 You're going for a ride, baby.

02:16:05.000 And you couldn't stand up with him because, you know, you always worried that if you... 0.99

02:16:10.000 Committed to a strike, he was gonna grab a leg, grab an ankle, grab your fucking waist, and then you're ragdolled. 0.99

02:16:16.000 And that's what he did to everybody. 0.99

02:16:18.000 Find like Ben Askren highlight in Bellator.

02:16:21.000 Because when he was in Bellator, people thought it was boring.

02:16:25.000 Because all he was doing was throwing them to the ground and giving them noogies.

02:16:29.000 He wasn't a devastating striker, and he wasn't a devastating ground-and-pound man.

02:16:34.000 But for me, I'm a purist.

02:16:37.000 I want to see what a person is capable of doing to another person.

02:16:41.000 And even if it's not exciting, even if that person can just take that person down at will and hold them down and keep punching them, Even if the punches aren't devastating, I am fascinated by someone's ability to impose their skill set on someone else.

02:16:53.000 See, that I find boring.

02:16:54.000 This was Ben Askren, man. 0.95

02:16:56.000 He would just take guys down and, you know, these aren't the most devastating elbows, but you ain't doing shit about it. 0.96

02:17:02.000 You can't do shit about it. 0.92

02:17:03.000 And if he can do that to you for five rounds, then so be it. 0.99

02:17:06.000 Everybody got taken down.

02:17:08.000 Everybody went for a ride. 0.99

02:17:09.000 Everybody wound up with Ben Askren on top of them, beating the fucking shit out of them. 0.98

02:17:14.000 And, you know, was he the most exciting fighter? 0.98

02:17:17.000 No.

02:17:17.000 No, but was he exciting to me?

02:17:19.000 Yes, because I'm a purist.

02:17:22.000 What I wanted to see is guys at the height of their ability doing what they want to do to people.

02:17:28.000 Look how he avoids this leg lock and he just starts beating people up. 0.98

02:17:31.000 They didn't know what the fuck to do. 0.99

02:17:32.000 They couldn't believe it. 0.99

02:17:33.000 He could just take you down at will.

02:17:34.000 And the way he would do it was so weird.

02:17:36.000 Like that.

02:17:37.000 Just back up a little bit so you can see that exchange right there.

02:17:41.000 Like, he goes down on his back and then grabs a hold of a leg.

02:17:46.000 Like, he's doing things that you're not supposed to do.

02:17:48.000 You've got to be a purist.

02:17:48.000 This, to me, just looks like mission.

02:17:50.000 Like, this, to me, is a turn to channel.

02:17:52.000 But this is not to me because this is a guy that is doing what his skill set is.

02:17:58.000 He's doing wrestling. 0.93

02:17:59.000 And he's doing it to the best fighters in the division and just beating the shit out of them. 0.97

02:18:03.000 And no one could stop it. 0.98

02:18:04.000 I firmly believe that if the Ben Askren, in the peak of his condition at Bellator, fight in the UFC, I think he's a fucking nightmare for everyone in the sport. 0.98

02:18:13.000 Everyone. 0.88

02:18:15.000 Maybe guys like Kamaru Usman, because he's also an elite wrestler, would give him a hard time, and maybe he would have beat him, but I would have loved to have seen it.

02:18:22.000 I would have loved to have seen him against Tyron Woodley in his prime, against all those guys in their prime, against Wonderboy in his prime.

02:18:28.000 I would have loved to see it.

02:18:29.000 Could you stop that?

02:18:30.000 Can you stop that guy?

02:18:31.000 So what do you think then of, you're talking guys in their prime, and you mentioned them, what do you think of the Jake Paul phenomenon? 1.00

02:18:37.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:18:39.000 Anybody who denies he's a bad motherfucker is crazy. 1.00

02:18:41.000 He knocked down Anderson Silva in a boxing match. 1.00

02:18:45.000 I don't care if Anderson Silva's 47 years old.

02:18:48.000 I'm sure he's in the best shape that you could be at 47, and I'm sure their drug testing is basically non-existent.

02:18:55.000 I'm sure he was probably, you know, trained as well as you can be trained at 47 years old, and he's also like a certified killer.

02:19:05.000 He's so good. 0.98

02:19:07.000 Anderson Silva was so fucking good and still good. 0.97

02:19:10.000 I mean, in the beginning of the first round, he was winning that fight. 0.97

02:19:12.000 You could see what Anderson Silva's capable of.

02:19:15.000 And Jake Paul beat him. 0.99

02:19:17.000 That's fucking end of story. 0.98

02:19:19.000 Now, if he goes on to start beating actual real professional boxers with credible records, that's where things get interesting. 0.98

02:19:26.000 And I think the way he's doing it is brilliant. 0.78

02:19:27.000 He fights Nate Robinson, he fights Ben Askren, he fights Tyron Woodley, gets all these fucking brutal knockouts against guys who are like, at least have names. 0.95

02:19:38.000 Tyron Woodley. 0.96

02:19:39.000 Even though Tyron Woodley might have been, you know, at the end of his career and maybe not as dedicated he was when he was the welterweight champion of the UFC, he's still Tyron fucking Woodley. 0.97

02:19:49.000 He's still a dangerous, dangerous man. 0.84

02:19:51.000 And Jake Paul flatlined him.

02:19:53.000 Yeah.

02:19:53.000 Flatlined him.

02:19:54.000 That is one punch.

02:19:56.000 I don't know if he'll ever fight a boxer.

02:19:57.000 Of course he will.

02:19:58.000 You think he will?

02:19:59.000 Sure.

02:20:00.000 Why?

02:20:00.000 Because the money's right.

02:20:01.000 If the money's right and they give him the right fight where it makes sense, like Tommy Fury, that's a good fight for him.

02:20:06.000 Tommy Fury is not a real boxer.

02:20:08.000 Of course he's a real boxer.

02:20:09.000 No chance.

02:20:09.000 He's a professional boxer.

02:20:10.000 Is he a world champion?

02:20:12.000 No.

02:20:13.000 Maybe he is.

02:20:15.000 Is he?

02:20:15.000 No.

02:20:16.000 What is he?

02:20:17.000 Tommy Fury.

02:20:18.000 He might have some sort of a title.

02:20:19.000 If he does, it's in name only.

02:20:21.000 I saw Tommy Fury box.

02:20:23.000 He is not a boxer.

02:20:24.000 Well, he's definitely a boxer.

02:20:26.000 Well, he puts on gloves.

02:20:27.000 He's definitely a boxer.

02:20:29.000 But is he a boxer like his brother?

02:20:32.000 No.

02:20:32.000 Well, clearly.

02:20:34.000 Tommy Fury would not...

02:20:36.000 We would not know who Tommy Fury was if his last name wasn't Fury.

02:20:40.000 Probably we wouldn't know as much about him.

02:20:43.000 But he's still a good-looking guy.

02:20:45.000 He's built great.

02:20:46.000 He looks the part.

02:20:49.000 Looks the part.

02:20:50.000 No doubt.

02:20:52.000 He's a good journeyman boxer.

02:20:54.000 Let me rephrase this.

02:20:55.000 I'm not...

02:20:56.000 I think Jake Paul would kill Tommy Fury, and that wouldn't change.

02:21:01.000 I don't know how good Jake Paul is, but I don't know of any boxer who can bring enough to a Jake Paul fight.

02:21:08.000 So here's Tommy Fury.

02:21:09.000 You're telling me this guy doesn't look like a boxer? 1.00

02:21:11.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00

02:21:12.000 Who is he fighting? 1.00

02:21:12.000 But I don't give a fuck, dude. 1.00

02:21:14.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:21:15.000 He's fighting a professional boxer.

02:21:16.000 The guy he's fighting looks good.

02:21:18.000 Dude, you're crazy if you don't think Tommy Fury is a boxer.

02:21:20.000 Look at that uppercut! 0.99

02:21:22.000 No. 1.00

02:21:23.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:21:24.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:21:24.000 Just look at this. 1.00

02:21:26.000 Find the Tommy Fury fight on the Jake Paul card. 1.00

02:21:29.000 Dude, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:21:30.000 This guy cannot. 1.00

02:21:30.000 Please, shut the fuck up and watch this. 1.00

02:21:32.000 Watch what he's doing. 1.00

02:21:33.000 This motherfucker is 100% a boxer. 1.00

02:21:35.000 Can you find me the record of Bogeyowski? 1.00

02:21:38.000 Just watch this!

02:21:38.000 Stop!

02:21:38.000 Watch this.

02:21:39.000 Watch this.

02:21:40.000 Look at this.

02:21:41.000 Look at this.

02:21:42.000 What is that? 1.00

02:21:43.000 This guy's a fucking boxer, man. 1.00

02:21:44.000 That doesn't prove anything. 1.00

02:21:45.000 Find me the record of Boggianski.

02:21:47.000 Just look at this!

02:21:48.000 Just look at what he's doing. 0.99

02:21:49.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

02:21:51.000 Look at the way he's delivering these combinations. 0.99

02:21:53.000 He's 100% a boxer.

02:21:54.000 No.

02:21:55.000 Dude, you're high. 1.00

02:21:56.000 You're fucking high. 1.00

02:21:57.000 Look at that right hand. 1.00

02:21:57.000 Maybe on cigar. 1.00

02:21:58.000 Dude, look at this fucking punching ability. 1.00

02:22:01.000 Tommy Fury is 100% a legit boxer. 1.00

02:22:04.000 You're out of your mind.

02:22:05.000 Look at this! 0.90

02:22:06.000 Look at that right hand!

02:22:08.000 That was in slow motion, I think.

02:22:10.000 No, it's not in slow motion.

02:22:10.000 I think you slowed that down.

02:22:12.000 I didn't do anything, but this is a highlight reel.

02:22:13.000 This is a highlight reel.

02:22:15.000 But look at his highlight reel.

02:22:16.000 Look at his highlight reel.

02:22:18.000 He is 100% a legitimate professional boxer.

02:22:21.000 If you don't think so, you're just being a hater.

02:22:23.000 No, I'm not a hater.

02:22:24.000 Dude, I'm telling you.

02:22:26.000 Why would I hate Tommy Fury?

02:22:26.000 He might not.

02:22:27.000 He's not Dimitri Bival.

02:22:29.000 He's not Canelo Alvarez.

02:22:30.000 But he is 100% a real boxer.

02:22:33.000 I'd like to get the combined records of everybody Tommy Fury's fight.

02:22:37.000 I would guess there's not more than two wins on there.

02:22:39.000 But do you...

02:22:39.000 There is, for sure.

02:22:40.000 But do you know that that's also the case with a lot of undefeated fighters as they're making their way up?

02:22:44.000 Because what happens is, fighters are very clever.

02:22:47.000 Their managers are very clever.

02:22:48.000 They match them up with people that are going to give them a good record.

02:22:51.000 Because in boxing, if you're going to be challenging Canelo Alvarez or whatever, they want to see 16-0.

02:22:56.000 They want to see someone who's like an undefeated fighter or like 16-1.

02:23:00.000 The last guy he fought was 11-2.

02:23:02.000 Yeah.

02:23:03.000 I mean, that's a good fighter.

02:23:04.000 I feel it.

02:23:05.000 Dude, you're out of your mind.

02:23:06.000 I don't think so.

02:23:06.000 Play that highlight reel again.

02:23:08.000 I just want you to look at this.

02:23:10.000 I want you to look at this objectively.

02:23:11.000 If you look at this objectively and you look at the way he's knocking guys out and landing punches.

02:23:15.000 I have nothing against Tommy Fury.

02:23:17.000 Dude, just watch some of this.

02:23:18.000 Just watch some of this.

02:23:19.000 Dude, this is legit boxing, man.

02:23:22.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:23:23.000 You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think that's good. 1.00

02:23:25.000 Look at this! 1.00

02:23:26.000 Shut the fuck up and look at this. 1.00

02:23:28.000 Can we rewind and show the punch that guy in the red trunks threw? 1.00

02:23:32.000 Because the guy's already rocked.

02:23:34.000 No, he wasn't rockling through that.

02:23:36.000 Yes, he was.

02:23:36.000 He absolutely was.

02:23:37.000 He'd already been pummeled.

02:23:38.000 I saw that fight. 1.00

02:23:39.000 That guy was already getting his ass kicked. 1.00

02:23:41.000 He was already getting his ass kicked. 1.00

02:23:44.000 He was already getting his ass kicked, man. 1.00

02:23:46.000 Watch this right hand. 0.99

02:23:47.000 Dude, that is legit! 1.00

02:23:49.000 If you don't think that's legit, you're fucking crazy. 1.00

02:23:51.000 Watch this uppercut. 1.00

02:23:53.000 Watch this punch.

02:23:54.000 Boom! 0.99

02:23:54.000 Body to the head. 0.99

02:23:58.000 Dude, he's legit.

02:24:00.000 100% legit.

02:24:02.000 Are these guys the best fighters in the world?

02:24:04.000 I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

02:24:05.000 No, are these fighters the best in the world?

02:24:07.000 But watch his skills, man.

02:24:08.000 These skills are absolutely legit.

02:24:11.000 I'm telling you, you can't disparage a man's ability to land punches like this.

02:24:15.000 Then why hasn't he fought?

02:24:16.000 Why does he keep backing out of Jake?

02:24:18.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:24:19.000 I don't know if he gets injured. 0.99

02:24:21.000 Guys get fucked up all the time in training. 0.99

02:24:22.000 They break hands. 1.00

02:24:23.000 They fuck their wrists up. 0.99

02:24:24.000 Their shoulders get injured. 1.00

02:24:25.000 Fights get canceled.

02:24:26.000 They get moved around.

02:24:28.000 That's like saying Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford suck because they haven't fought each other. 0.97

02:24:33.000 No! 0.88

02:24:34.000 But there's a reason why they haven't fought each other.

02:24:36.000 They're trying to make the most amount of money possible.

02:24:38.000 It's the same thing with Tommy Fury.

02:24:40.000 They're trying to set it up where if he's going to fight an elite fighter...

02:24:43.000 I hope they fight because I'll put my net worth on Jake Paul.

02:24:46.000 What if Tommy Fury boxes him up?

02:24:48.000 What are you going to do then?

02:24:49.000 He won't.

02:24:50.000 You won't know that!

02:24:52.000 You don't know that!

02:24:53.000 I was at the fight, the Jake Paul fight in Cleveland.

02:24:56.000 Tyrone Woodley won.

02:24:57.000 And Tommy Fury fought on that undercard.

02:25:00.000 Okay.

02:25:00.000 He was the worst fighter I've ever seen.

02:25:02.000 So maybe he's improved.

02:25:03.000 Okay, well let's find that fight.

02:25:04.000 Let's find that fight. 0.71

02:25:06.000 Maybe he's improved by light years since that fight.

02:25:09.000 What I'm seeing right there, that is a boxer.

02:25:11.000 I could probably watch you versus a tomato can and you'd be throwing haymakers and be like, oh, he can throw punches.

02:25:16.000 But it's versus a tomato can.

02:25:18.000 That's not just haymakers. 0.79

02:25:19.000 It's skillful boxing.

02:25:21.000 The way he's setting that up, that's very skillful.

02:25:24.000 So here's the fight versus Taylor.

02:25:29.000 Taylor, by the way, I think, showed up on...

02:25:31.000 He was working the ticket booth before this.

02:25:34.000 Somebody dropped out, and they needed.

02:25:36.000 Yeah, I do believe this is a last-minute replacement.

02:25:39.000 But what I'm seeing is a real boxer.

02:25:41.000 And if you don't think he's a real boxer, you're being a hater.

02:25:44.000 I have no reason to hate him, because he's good-looking?

02:25:46.000 No, because he's Tommy Fury's brother.

02:25:49.000 I love Tyson Fury's brother.

02:25:51.000 I love Tyson Fury.

02:25:52.000 I just have never...

02:25:53.000 We're going to have to agree.

02:25:55.000 I don't think he can...

02:25:58.000 It's not the best video, but you're still seeing a real boxer, man. 1.00

02:26:02.000 He's a fucking boxer. 0.99

02:26:03.000 Just by standing there? 1.00

02:26:04.000 No, by boxing! 1.00

02:26:06.000 He's fucking boxing! 0.99

02:26:09.000 This might not be the best performance that he has ever had in his career, but what I see from his highlight reel, what I see from some of the fights that I've watched, he's a good boxer, man. 0.99

02:26:18.000 You're seeing it right here.

02:26:19.000 He's a real boxer, dude. 1.00

02:26:21.000 You think he's not, you're crazy.

02:26:23.000 If you're saying he was good in this fight, I got nothing for you. 0.92

02:26:26.000 Right here.

02:26:27.000 What are you seeing here?

02:26:28.000 You seeing a bad fighter?

02:26:29.000 I'm seeing a guy just standing in the ring. 1.00

02:26:32.000 Oh, you're so crazy. 0.75

02:26:33.000 You're saying a good fighter right there? 0.98

02:26:34.000 He's fighting.

02:26:35.000 He's fighting a guy that's not elite.

02:26:36.000 But me and you, if we just start fighting, we're fighting.

02:26:39.000 Yeah, but he's not fighting a guy that's elite, but he's still fighting.

02:26:42.000 He's a real boxer.

02:26:44.000 For you to say he's not a real boxer is crazy.

02:26:46.000 What's Anthony Taylor's record?

02:26:49.000 This is a last-minute replacement, right?

02:26:51.000 This is not the best example of him.

02:26:54.000 And I'm not saying that he's even reached his full potential or gotten to a place where I think that he should be in consideration to be fighting for any kind of a title.

02:27:02.000 Jake Paul beating Tommy Fury does nothing for me in terms of me.

02:27:06.000 I think Jake Paul, I have no idea.

02:27:09.000 I'd love to see him fight what I consider a guy who has dedicated his life to boxing, which Tommy Fury has not.

02:27:16.000 How do you know?

02:27:17.000 Because I've watched him fight.

02:27:18.000 Oh, that's so crazy.

02:27:20.000 It's so crazy to say.

02:27:21.000 How do you know he hasn't dedicated his life because you watched him fight and he doesn't seem to...

02:27:25.000 Because he was on...

02:27:26.000 He's two and three.

02:27:28.000 That guy was two and three?

02:27:29.000 Yeah.

02:27:30.000 So if you can really fight, you take him out pretty quick.

02:27:33.000 There's a lot of guys that are two and three that are still good fighters.

02:27:35.000 He was on...

02:27:36.000 He's Big Brother!

02:27:37.000 Yeah.

02:27:38.000 That's not a real fighter! 0.99

02:27:40.000 Because he was on Big Brother?

02:27:41.000 Yeah, because he was on Big Brother for publicity.

02:27:45.000 Yeah, he was definitely on for publicity. 1.00

02:27:47.000 Wasn't Andrew Tate on one of those fucking stupid reality shows, too? 0.99

02:27:50.000 Andrew Tate was a world-class kickboxer, world champion kickboxer. 1.00

02:27:53.000 Like, it doesn't mean that someone sucks just because they're on some stupid reality show. 0.97

02:27:57.000 Was Tate on before or after? 1.00

02:27:59.000 I don't know.

02:27:59.000 He was on Big Brother, I think.

02:28:01.000 No, he was.

02:28:02.000 He got kicked off, I think.

02:28:03.000 Yeah.

02:28:04.000 What do you think of all his stuff?

02:28:08.000 I don't know what's happening, right?

02:28:10.000 Like, what really happened?

02:28:12.000 And why is Romania going after him?

02:28:15.000 Are they being pressured by someone else to do this?

02:28:17.000 Like, what is the reason why they're doing it?

02:28:19.000 And what do they have on him?

02:28:20.000 I don't know.

02:28:21.000 Yeah, well, that to me is the right answer.

02:28:24.000 It Nobody knows.

02:28:27.000 A lot of people are acting like they know if you go read it.

02:28:29.000 Well, they want him.

02:28:30.000 Which is crazy.

02:28:31.000 They want him to go down and they want him.

02:28:34.000 He represents something.

02:28:35.000 He represents toxic masculinity.

02:28:37.000 Well, he is. 0.99

02:28:38.000 He is sort of toxic. 0.96

02:28:39.000 He says crazy stuff.

02:28:41.000 They seize his car collection as investigation continues.

02:28:44.000 The one thing I don't get about this, well, I do get it, I understand. 0.77

02:28:47.000 People are actually like, want the charges to be true, which is crazy because that would mean a lot of bad shit to what happened to a lot of bad people.

02:28:54.000 Yeah, I would rather the charges be incorrect. 0.65

02:28:57.000 You know, look, Romania, I don't know what their system is like.

02:29:01.000 I don't know whether they're corrupt.

02:29:03.000 I've heard things, but I don't have any real information. 1.00

02:29:06.000 So I'd be talking out of my ass to say... 0.99

02:29:09.000 You know, if he really did like sex traffic people, if he really did all the things he's saying, well, I hope that gets proven in court and I hope he gets punished if he really did that. 1.00

02:29:20.000 If he didn't do that, I hope he gets exonerated and I hope he gets the fuck out of Romania. 1.00

02:29:24.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:29:24.000 I don't know what he did. 0.99

02:29:26.000 I know a lot of what he does is theater, right?

02:29:29.000 A lot of what he does is very, like, satire.

02:29:31.000 He plays the role of this boastful misogynist who smokes cigars and drives Lamborghinis, and that's his thing.

02:29:39.000 And because of that, he's amassed an amazing amount of money.

02:29:42.000 And he's done it by doing this character, this online persona, but then also says very wise things. 0.99

02:29:49.000 He says ridiculous shit, but also says really interesting things. 0.98

02:29:54.000 He's a very smart guy. 1.00

02:29:55.000 If you listen to him being interviewed by Patrick Bet-David.

02:29:58.000 Patrick Bet-David interviewed him after he got cancelled off of all social media.

02:30:02.000 And Patrick is fantastic.

02:30:03.000 He's really good at letting people talk and talking to everybody.

02:30:07.000 And Patrick is so wealthy and so successful outside of the world of podcasting that he only does it because he's interested in it.

02:30:15.000 And so he's the perfect guy to handle that because he's not afraid to talk to anybody.

02:30:20.000 He'll talk to anybody.

02:30:21.000 And so he had him on for a long-form conversation.

02:30:24.000 They talked for hours, and you get to see this is a very intelligent and calculated guy.

02:30:28.000 You might not agree with his message.

02:30:30.000 You might not agree with all the misogynist stuff.

02:30:32.000 You might not agree with...

02:30:33.000 And I don't agree with it.

02:30:34.000 You might not agree with all the crazy antics, but...

02:30:38.000 You cannot deny that that's been incredibly successful because it resonates with a lot of young men who don't feel represented in the media.

02:30:46.000 And they see this guy and it looks like fun.

02:30:47.000 Do they agree with what he's saying?

02:30:49.000 That doesn't mean they agree with it.

02:30:50.000 They think it's fun.

02:30:51.000 It's like pro wrestling.

02:30:52.000 He's like a bad guy in pro wrestling. 0.96

02:30:54.000 He's a heel.

02:30:55.000 He's smoking cigars with his Lamborghinis. 0.51

02:30:58.000 See, that's where I go...

02:31:02.000 I think there's probably a lot of people think that, and then I think there's probably other people who take it seriously.

02:31:07.000 Oh, yeah.

02:31:07.000 Which is where, that's where it's a super...

02:31:09.000 Yes, that is where it gets fucked up. 0.99

02:31:11.000 Where it gets fucked up is, like, young boys repeating the shit that he's saying to young girls, because they think that they're supposed to do that. 1.00

02:31:19.000 I mean, he says they're property, and he owns them, which is nuts. 0.99

02:31:21.000 And so, you hope people are like, oh, that's an act.

02:31:24.000 The one thing I will say, for an intelligent guy, which I agree with you, he is...

02:31:29.000 to be doing the things he's being accused of doing and then go seek publicity It's a very unwise move.

02:31:38.000 If he did the things that he did.

02:31:40.000 Then it's like, you would think if you're committing atrocities, you would try to stay under the radar.

02:31:45.000 He does quite the opposite.

02:31:47.000 Yeah, but again, we don't know.

02:31:49.000 Nobody knows.

02:31:50.000 That's the problem.

02:31:51.000 That's like the pizza thing, the pizza box.

02:31:53.000 I don't know if you saw that.

02:31:54.000 Everybody saying he got busted because of the pizza box, and then the authorities are like, that had nothing to do with it.

02:31:59.000 No, they knew he was in Romania.

02:32:00.000 It was just, what's that word, schadenfrag?

02:32:03.000 Schadenfrude.

02:32:04.000 Schadenfrude.

02:32:04.000 That's what it was.

02:32:05.000 He's making fun of Greta Thunberg, and then he gets fucking arrested right afterwards. 0.97

02:32:09.000 It's kind of hilarious. 0.91

02:32:10.000 Yeah.

02:32:11.000 The way it happens, people said it's the biggest self-owned L. Third biggest tweet or retweet.

02:32:17.000 It was Greta.

02:32:18.000 I mean, it was okay.

02:32:19.000 It's kind of funny when she said that's what happens when you don't recycle your pizza boxes. 0.99

02:32:22.000 That shit's hilarious. 0.99

02:32:23.000 That was good. 1.00

02:32:24.000 Chad, that shit's hilarious. 1.00

02:32:26.000 You got to give it to her. 1.00

02:32:27.000 Look, and also, why are you going after some 19-year-old autistic girl who's really into climate change?

02:32:33.000 I tried to figure out whether that was provoked.

02:32:37.000 He just did that out of the blue? 1.00

02:32:38.000 Yeah, he's just talking shit. 1.00

02:32:40.000 Now, again, that move from somebody who's being accused of sex trafficking, I think rape was thrown in there, and then you're out there being like, look at me, look at me, crazy. 1.00

02:32:49.000 Again, but what you said nailed it. 0.95

02:32:51.000 Nobody knows.

02:32:52.000 Yeah, I think the latest thing that they're saying is tax evasion, right?

02:32:57.000 Isn't that what they're saying?

02:32:59.000 I'll be honest with you.

02:33:00.000 I'm Googling them now.

02:33:00.000 I just found an exclusive story on Vice that says the reason he was kicked off of Big Brother is not the reason that was publicly known or what was thought of.

02:33:11.000 It says that he was arrested for suspicion of rape in 2015. He was investigated over allegations of sexual assault and physical abuse in the UK, during which time he appeared on Big Brother for five days.

02:33:23.000 That's just posted a little bit ago.

02:33:24.000 UK authorities declined to prosecute.

02:33:28.000 This says that they told the producers of the show like five days before he was kicked off.

02:33:34.000 And then a video was found of him and a girl doing something.

02:33:39.000 Then they came out and said this was like a kinky video they were making.

02:33:42.000 The girl came out and said that that was very consensual and that they were doing role play and that they liked to do this thing where he would beat her up or something.

02:33:51.000 This article was saying that didn't have anything to do with why he was kicked off the show.

02:33:54.000 This is one of the perfect...

02:33:55.000 I don't know.

02:33:55.000 This is one of the perfect examples, though, of kind of what we're talking about.

02:33:58.000 I don't fucking believe Vice. 0.98

02:34:00.000 I don't believe... 0.99

02:34:02.000 How can you believe anything that is said about somebody so controversial?

02:34:07.000 Because everybody seemingly has already made up their mind...

02:34:11.000 So where do you get real information on him?

02:34:13.000 Who knows?

02:34:13.000 All the objectionable stuff, I think, also was unnecessary.

02:34:17.000 I think if you want, I mean, I don't know him. 0.99

02:34:19.000 If I did know him, I would tell him all the boastful shit and the shit about him being, you know, the top G and all that stuff. 1.00

02:34:28.000 All that shit's great. 1.00

02:34:29.000 But the misogynistic stuff, like if you have daughters or if you have a wife or if you have sisters and stuff like that, you don't want that. 0.99

02:34:37.000 That narrative, putting that out there, that's negative to everybody.

02:34:41.000 It's not even positive to him.

02:34:43.000 It's not necessary.

02:34:45.000 We had him on one of our podcasts, and he almost struck me exactly how you said.

02:34:50.000 Let's say he's talking for 10 minutes.

02:34:52.000 I'm like, oh, making sense, smart.

02:34:55.000 And then he says something so wild over the top, literally like, women are my property. 0.64

02:35:00.000 I own them.

02:35:00.000 It's like, whoa, what'd you just say?

02:35:03.000 And that's what he does.

02:35:04.000 But he's also selling that class.

02:35:07.000 What is the class?

02:35:08.000 The Hustlers University?

02:35:10.000 What is that?

02:35:11.000 What are they teaching people?

02:35:12.000 To hustle.

02:35:13.000 But what do they teach?

02:35:15.000 I don't know.

02:35:16.000 To hustle.

02:35:17.000 They can quit at any time they want.

02:35:19.000 It's like 70 bucks a month and you become a top G. That's literally...

02:35:23.000 I mean, is that bad?

02:35:25.000 I don't know.

02:35:26.000 I mean, is it a con game?

02:35:28.000 Or is he trying to give them legitimate information?

02:35:31.000 What has he given him other than what he's already said in interviews?

02:35:34.000 How is it a university?

02:35:36.000 He has people who...

02:35:39.000 And that's where it's a grayer, because I... Aren't there, like, professors?

02:35:44.000 Hustlers University.

02:35:45.000 Experience modern wealth creation.

02:35:47.000 I haven't looked at this.

02:35:48.000 I didn't know this was even real.

02:35:49.000 Yeah, no.

02:35:50.000 This is what he said like a meme.

02:35:52.000 There's so many grifters.

02:35:54.000 Main business.

02:35:55.000 Secure your spot for just $49 is your last chance to secure a spot or a discounted price.

02:35:59.000 This weird countdown thing is such a trap on the internet.

02:36:01.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:36:03.000 Was it just recycled?

02:36:04.000 I only have one hour, 10 minutes and 36 seconds to sign up.

02:36:07.000 And that's going to be 147 if you don't make your decision now.

02:36:09.000 Jesus, enroll now, Jamie.

02:36:11.000 You have only an hour before the spot.

02:36:12.000 Let's take the class.

02:36:13.000 Enroll.

02:36:14.000 Let's enroll.

02:36:15.000 Let's enroll.

02:36:15.000 What do we have to do?

02:36:16.000 Click on that.

02:36:17.000 Enroll now.

02:36:18.000 Okay, what do we have to do?

02:36:20.000 The real world has launched a completely Matrix-independent platform where we teach you how to make money in the digital age.

02:36:26.000 How do they teach you how to make money?

02:36:28.000 Do you just hustle, man?

02:36:30.000 You just hustle.

02:36:31.000 So $600 a year?

02:36:32.000 It's also another thing, like this Matrix thing which he has, which, again, I... I am a firm believer, based on my experience, like, people are out to get you, they're out to get you.

02:36:43.000 He also, if he committed these crimes, he's sort of brilliant, be like, they're coming for me in the next couple days, because you know they're coming, and then your followers go, aha, he was right.

02:36:51.000 It's like a self-fulfilling process.

02:36:53.000 Who knows?

02:36:54.000 Right.

02:36:54.000 But I will say...

02:36:56.000 He goes too far. 0.99

02:36:58.000 And yeah, you'd think rational people would be like, whoa, you're crazy. 0.95

02:37:02.000 But there's a lot of...

02:37:03.000 And that's where anything's a slippery slope.

02:37:05.000 He's also a wild dude that lives in the world of kickboxing.

02:37:09.000 And that is a wild group of people.

02:37:12.000 You pay attention to top-flight kickboxers like the Badr Hari's. 1.00

02:37:16.000 I mean, there's some...

02:37:17.000 Melvin Manhoof. 0.99

02:37:18.000 There's some wild fucking people in that world. 1.00

02:37:21.000 That is a crazy world. 1.00

02:37:23.000 Where there's not a lot of money, and you're facing fucking straight-up killers. 0.98

02:37:27.000 And, you know, I mean, there's all sorts of different personalities in that world, but it's a different kind of human. 0.96

02:37:34.000 They're just wild, masculine, very aggressive people, you know?

02:37:40.000 And that's part of his shtick.

02:37:42.000 But he, if you want to use the word toxic masculinity, he's it.

02:37:47.000 Well, the bad stuff that he said, it bodies that.

02:37:51.000 Yes.

02:37:51.000 Yeah.

02:37:52.000 Yeah.

02:37:53.000 And that's why people are rooting for what he said to be true.

02:37:57.000 Because they don't want that.

02:37:58.000 Right.

02:37:58.000 But you're still crazy to root for that because you're not thinking about the victims.

02:38:02.000 Basically, that means a lot of people were hurt.

02:38:05.000 Well, it means if it's true, you want them to be punished.

02:38:09.000 Correct.

02:38:10.000 Like, hoping that it's not true when it is true is not good either.

02:38:15.000 No, but...

02:38:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:38:16.000 Like, if you're hoping that it's true and it's not true, that's horrible because you are hoping for people to have been victimized.

02:38:23.000 I see what you're saying.

02:38:23.000 Yes, right.

02:38:24.000 Yeah.

02:38:24.000 I mean, you should never hope violent crimes are committed.

02:38:28.000 Right.

02:38:28.000 Absolutely.

02:38:29.000 Agreed.

02:38:29.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:38:30.000 But you also hope that he's not accused of these things when it's just because of his bombastic personality and talking shit and getting all this attention, which he clearly has done. 0.98

02:38:39.000 You gotta wonder how much of it is sad. 0.96

02:38:41.000 Like, when you talk to Piers Morgan, that was a very interesting conversation because Piers confronted him on all these things and he did a great job of explaining what he does and why he does it.

02:38:50.000 And, you know, it's like the guy went viral in a way that no one has.

02:38:55.000 And so quickly.

02:38:57.000 Yeah.

02:38:57.000 In a while, where like my 12-year-old and my 14-year-old were asking me about it.

02:39:01.000 Yeah.

02:39:01.000 No, he was it.

02:39:02.000 Yeah.

02:39:03.000 All over TikTok and all over everything.

02:39:05.000 And if you just look at some of those little clips- But that's a scary part in a weird way.

02:39:08.000 If you're a 12-year-old and 14-year-old are hearing some of the outrage, like nobody wants- Yeah.

02:39:17.000 Yeah, he didn't even have a TikTok, I think.

02:39:19.000 And he was like the number one guy on TikTok.

02:39:20.000 Crazy.

02:39:21.000 I think they probably banned him. 0.67

02:39:23.000 Right?

02:39:23.000 I mean, they banned him from everything.

02:39:25.000 They banned him from Facebook.

02:39:26.000 Yeah.

02:39:26.000 And then Elon.

02:39:27.000 Yeah, Elon brought him back.

02:39:28.000 Yeah.

02:39:29.000 Which, listen, I agree with.

02:39:31.000 I think you should be able...

02:39:32.000 I don't think...

02:39:34.000 Banning people is the way.

02:39:35.000 I think this exchange with Greta Thunberg is a perfect example of how to counteract that. 0.98

02:39:40.000 She just mocks him and then he gets arrested and she has the fucking tweet of the year making fun of his arrest and a fucking perfect one-liner. 1.00

02:39:49.000 That's what happens if you don't recycle your pizza boxes. 0.99

02:39:51.000 It's genius.

02:39:53.000 That's why it's good that someone like that is on social media because you get a chance for people to participate in the conversation.

02:39:59.000 I agree.

02:40:01.000 I go back and forth.

02:40:03.000 You should go back and forth because you're a thoughtful guy.

02:40:06.000 Yeah, because it's like super free speech.

02:40:10.000 Take Kanye, for example.

02:40:14.000 I'm Jewish.

02:40:15.000 I hated Kanye beforehand, but I think he's anti-Semitic.

02:40:19.000 The things he's saying bother me.

02:40:22.000 And...

02:40:23.000 There's a lot of people, in my mind, who follow Kanye.

02:40:27.000 They're rabid Kanye fans.

02:40:29.000 And the things he starts saying, to me, can leak down.

02:40:33.000 What is the biggest thing that he said?

02:40:34.000 I know in general...

02:40:36.000 To me, Hitler wasn't a bad guy. 1.00

02:40:39.000 That was crazy.

02:40:41.000 Like, I... What did he say?

02:40:43.000 What was he exactly?

02:40:44.000 He loves Hitler or something like that? 0.57

02:40:45.000 He loves everybody?

02:40:47.000 He was with Alex Jones.

02:40:48.000 And Alex Jones was trying to...

02:40:49.000 He was also wearing a mask.

02:40:51.000 Yeah.

02:40:51.000 He was trying to throw him a lifeline.

02:40:52.000 Yeah.

02:40:53.000 Alex Jones was the voice of reason.

02:40:56.000 Yeah.

02:40:56.000 And he's like, no, you don't mean Hitler was a good guy.

02:40:58.000 He's like, no, no, no.

02:40:58.000 I... Well, that's not what you mean.

02:41:00.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:41:02.000 Hitler's terrible. 0.98

02:41:03.000 Yeah.

02:41:03.000 For Alex to have to tell him Hitler was terrible is pretty funny.

02:41:06.000 So if you're going down that way, I don't know.

02:41:09.000 I think the way he's going down is he's never – I don't think he's experienced anything like – of course he's never experienced anything like this, right?

02:41:17.000 Where everything's taken away from him.

02:41:20.000 I mean, he had to stop construction on his house.

02:41:22.000 He's losing all of his money, all of his sponsorships.

02:41:25.000 Everything's gone.

02:41:25.000 All of his connections to all these businesses, connections to banks.

02:41:28.000 Everything's gone.

02:41:30.000 It's kind of wild to see.

02:41:32.000 Because we've never seen that before.

02:41:33.000 Where a guy is a superstar and a billionaire. 0.97

02:41:36.000 And he says some awful shit, and then everything's taken away from him. 0.98

02:41:41.000 And this may be Kanye's personality. 0.99

02:41:44.000 And in a way, he's also...

02:41:47.000 You can listen to him talk many times and be like, he's a genius, he's brilliant, like the things he's saying.

02:41:52.000 What he did, which may be unique, and some could say maybe they respect, he didn't take a step back.

02:42:00.000 He kept saying things, and he wouldn't apologize, and now you can be like, well, if he didn't think he did anything wrong.

02:42:06.000 But in the end, it came across, he's just, to me, very anti-Semitic.

02:42:10.000 I mean, if you're defending Hitler, you've gone pretty far. 0.99

02:42:13.000 I think he's also mentally ill. 1.00

02:42:15.000 Well, he's bipolar. 1.00

02:42:16.000 I think he said that.

02:42:17.000 Yeah.

02:42:17.000 Well, I think he said recently he's not bipolar, but he might be autistic.

02:42:20.000 But I mean, it's self-diagnosis.

02:42:21.000 He was definitely medicated at one point in time, right?

02:42:25.000 Remember when he got kind of chubby and he was like really sedated?

02:42:28.000 But then he hated that.

02:42:29.000 He didn't want to be that.

02:42:31.000 And then he got off of that and, you know, I had him on the podcast and...

02:42:35.000 You get a chance to see how his mind works.

02:42:37.000 It's like he works in these rants, and he says something, and he keeps talking, and you've got to stop him.

02:42:42.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:42:43.000 What did he just say?

02:42:44.000 What did he just say?

02:42:44.000 You've got to kind of bring him in.

02:42:45.000 But he doesn't want to have a conversation.

02:42:47.000 He wants a rant.

02:42:48.000 Remember when he sat down and ranted with Trump?

02:42:52.000 In front of Trump and is like saying that...

02:42:54.000 You mean recently?

02:42:55.000 No, way back in the day with the Make America Great Again when he's in the office.

02:42:59.000 And Trump's just sitting there listening to him. 1.00

02:43:00.000 Kanye's saying a bunch of wild, crazy shit. 1.00

02:43:03.000 And Trump's like, hmm, interesting. 1.00

02:43:06.000 Trump is being the most persuasive, the best version of Trump as a manipulator and a businessman.

02:43:14.000 He's like, letting Kanye.

02:43:16.000 He's got...

02:43:17.000 Remember when Trump got elected, they invited all these celebrities to come to the celebration. 1.00

02:43:22.000 Everybody's like, fuck that. 0.99

02:43:23.000 Nobody went. 1.00

02:43:24.000 Nobody went.

02:43:25.000 Kanye was the one guy that embraced Trump.

02:43:30.000 Yeah, look at this.

02:43:33.000 He's sitting there with Jim Brown.

02:43:35.000 And he's like, interesting. 0.99

02:43:37.000 And he's like letting Kanye rant and go off and say all this crazy shit with a Make America Great Again hat on. 0.99

02:43:43.000 So like for him, that's the thing with free speech. 0.99

02:43:47.000 Play some of that.

02:43:49.000 Play some of that.

02:43:49.000 Like Elon booted him for doing the Nazi.

02:43:52.000 He made a Jewish star with the Nazi symbol in it.

02:43:55.000 And for Elon, that was the line.

02:43:57.000 Right.

02:43:58.000 So there's always a line, but that is the complication of free speech.

02:44:03.000 Yeah, he made fun of Elon.

02:44:04.000 Elon said, that's okay.

02:44:05.000 He said, but this is not okay.

02:44:06.000 Correct.

02:44:07.000 Yeah.

02:44:08.000 Which is just like, yeah.

02:44:09.000 I mean, what are you doing?

02:44:11.000 You're connecting the star, David?

02:44:12.000 Like, listen, play some of this.

02:44:14.000 Really, the reason why they imprison him is because he started doing positive for the community.

02:44:21.000 Look at how Trump's like, yeah, yes, yes.

02:44:22.000 Interesting.

02:44:35.000 I'd love to know what's going on in Trump's head right now.

02:44:38.000 Interesting.

02:44:40.000 Look at him nodding. 0.58

02:44:43.000 You know, people expect that if you're black you have to be Democrat.

02:44:58.000 I have conversations that basically said that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrats.

02:45:06.000 They say, you know, first of all, it's a limit to the amount of jobs.

02:45:12.000 I sort of picture, like, just a mouse running around on a circle in Trump's head right now as he's going around, like, trying to occupy himself.

02:45:21.000 I like how he has this, like, serious consideration, like, hmm, hmm.

02:45:25.000 I interviewed Trump.

02:45:27.000 They called me up.

02:45:28.000 They want our crowd, obviously, to do it.

02:45:32.000 So this is when he was president.

02:45:33.000 I got a lot of hate from it, but he pulled me in.

02:45:38.000 When he realized I wasn't out to get him, he opened up.

02:45:42.000 He was nice to me, but he pulled me into this little...

02:45:46.000 Souvenir room is what I would call it.

02:45:49.000 Like, artifacts.

02:45:50.000 He goes, Dave, Dave, come in here.

02:45:51.000 And so I go into the little room.

02:45:53.000 He looks at me and goes, this is the Monica Lewinsky room.

02:45:56.000 He just started laughing.

02:46:00.000 The Monica Lewinsky room.

02:46:05.000 What a time.

02:46:06.000 Yeah.

02:46:06.000 What a time to be alive when that guy was the president.

02:46:08.000 How crazy is that?

02:46:09.000 I mean, that, to me, he changed, like...

02:46:14.000 There it is.

02:46:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:46:18.000 Nothing like the White House.

02:46:19.000 It's the whole deal, right?

02:46:22.000 How are you?

02:46:27.000 Look, as a comedian, that guy was like the greatest amount of ammunition and information and the greatest resource a comic could ever hope for.

02:46:37.000 So, before he was elected, I said I would vote for Trump because of what you just basically said.

02:46:43.000 I'm like, I hate politics.

02:46:45.000 I'm like, I think he'll break it.

02:46:46.000 Now, did I... Anticipate.

02:46:50.000 The amount of hate in this country has gone both sides.

02:46:54.000 Also, denying the results of the election.

02:46:57.000 That was where it got crazy.

02:46:59.000 Because, you know, the saying the election was rigged, that's a threat to the foundation of our democracy.

02:47:05.000 And I believe that if you're going to say the election was rigged, You have to have rock-solid, very specific information that points to that, that you could show the world.

02:47:17.000 And I don't think that was the case.

02:47:19.000 I don't know how much election fraud exists.

02:47:24.000 I know it's less than zero.

02:47:26.000 It's not there's no election fraud.

02:47:28.000 There's fraud in everything.

02:47:30.000 If you don't think that there's people that are running some sort of an election center that are democratic centered that wouldn't do something that they think would help the world.

02:47:42.000 By making sure that someone who they think is evil and a very threat to democracy itself, if that person gets into power, and you don't think that they would do something to suppress that, whether it's by making voting machines not work correctly or by suppressing ballots or by hiding ballots,

02:47:59.000 there's unscrupulous people that exist.

02:48:02.000 How many of them exist, is the question.

02:48:04.000 How much fraud was it on the Republican side?

02:48:07.000 How much fraud was it on the Democratic side?

02:48:08.000 Has it happened?

02:48:09.000 Has election fraud happened in the history of humans? 0.99

02:48:13.000 Abso-fucking-lucid. 0.99

02:48:14.000 100%. 1.00

02:48:15.000 So the real question is, How much election fraud does exist and did it swing the election?

02:48:21.000 I don't think he proved that.

02:48:23.000 I don't think he had the information where he could show the United States, here's how I know for sure.

02:48:29.000 Objectively, have someone who's just like a rock-solid statistician and analyst who can show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's a problem.

02:48:39.000 That was the problem.

02:48:40.000 I agree with that. 0.99

02:48:41.000 And then when you got the fucking people that are these fucking MAGA people and they're out there and you got the FBI riling them up. 0.99

02:48:49.000 You got guys like Ray Epps who is saying, you need to go in there. 0.99

02:48:53.000 We need to go in there.

02:48:54.000 We need to take this place.

02:48:56.000 And that guy is not prosecuted, not arrested, not charged.

02:49:02.000 And then the FBI has to have a conversation with Ted Cruz, and he's saying, did you have people in the FBI that were involved in that, that were actively trying to rile people up, and they won't answer that question?

02:49:18.000 My issue with it, you alluded to it, I think both sides, and this is actually sort of sad, but my view of politics...

02:49:30.000 Both sides are equally treacherous.

02:49:33.000 And they're both going to do whatever they can win.

02:49:35.000 It's a dirty world.

02:49:36.000 Yeah, they're both going to do whatever they can win to the election.

02:49:39.000 So if one side's cheating, I think the other side's cheating.

02:49:42.000 For sure.

02:49:43.000 So guess what?

02:49:43.000 Whoever wins and cheats the best, whatever.

02:49:46.000 Game's over.

02:49:47.000 That's it.

02:49:47.000 They outcheated you, if you want to say that.

02:49:49.000 Unless you can show that they cheated beyond a shadow of a doubt.

02:49:52.000 Which he hasn't.

02:49:53.000 Which he hasn't.

02:49:54.000 Correct.

02:49:54.000 And it's almost like the old...

02:49:56.000 I mean, Trump...

02:49:58.000 I think he's very, very, very smart. 0.99

02:50:00.000 I don't think he gives a fuck about anybody but Donald Trump. 0.98

02:50:03.000 And to be honest, I think most politicians, it's like the movie Gladiator when Maximus asks, he wants Maximus to be the president of Rome. 0.98

02:50:12.000 He's like, no, no, no, I don't want that.

02:50:13.000 He's like, that's why you got to be it.

02:50:15.000 Because nobody with a brain would want to, who wants this headache?

02:50:20.000 Who wants that job? 1.00

02:50:21.000 Yeah, so you end up with people who shouldn't have it.

02:50:24.000 Exactly.

02:50:25.000 Yeah, and those are the only ones that want to run.

02:50:27.000 Exactly.

02:50:27.000 Which is great.

02:50:28.000 And that's the cycle.

02:50:29.000 This guy, Santos, which now I am finding funny, the guy from New York.

02:50:35.000 What happened with that guy?

02:50:36.000 Because I've only seen headlines. 0.89

02:50:38.000 His entire life is a lie.

02:50:41.000 Is it bad?

02:50:42.000 It's a meme now.

02:50:43.000 Everything he said is a lie, apparently.

02:50:45.000 You'll love this.

02:50:47.000 For a comedian, a comedian couldn't do this.

02:50:49.000 He said he was Jewish.

02:50:52.000 Turns out he's not.

02:50:54.000 He clarified, I meant I was Jew-ish, like J-E-W-I-S-H. One of the all-time answers. 1.00

02:51:02.000 He said his mother died in the Holocaust.

02:51:05.000 Oh, 9-11, excuse me.

02:51:06.000 She did not.

02:51:08.000 Two jobs that he said he worked.

02:51:09.000 Called them both.

02:51:10.000 No record of them.

02:51:11.000 This guy is voting in Congress right now.

02:51:15.000 They can't remove him?

02:51:16.000 They can't.

02:51:17.000 He's just sticking with it.

02:51:19.000 He's like, people have trust. 0.93

02:51:20.000 I've actually come to, this is how fucked up our country is, I'm actually enjoying it from like, the cameras are falling around, no one wants to sit with them. 0.84

02:51:29.000 They don't know where he got the money for the campaign. 0.98

02:51:31.000 Is he a Republican or a Democrat?

02:51:33.000 He's a Republican. 0.99

02:51:34.000 His entire life is a lie. 0.99

02:51:36.000 Wow. 0.94

02:51:37.000 All of it.

02:51:38.000 How did they not find that while he was running? 1.00

02:51:41.000 Shows you how stupid politics, and he gets elected. 1.00

02:51:44.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:51:45.000 And he's in Congress.

02:51:47.000 Wow.

02:51:48.000 What state?

02:51:49.000 New York.

02:51:50.000 Wow.

02:51:51.000 Wow.

02:51:52.000 And so what do they have to do?

02:51:56.000 They just let him ride out his term?

02:51:57.000 I don't know.

02:51:58.000 He's being looked at right now, like Attorney General's investigating some of this stuff.

02:52:01.000 Depends on how egregious, you know, if he broke a law.

02:52:04.000 There's no law against lying about everything?

02:52:07.000 Yeah, I think that's it.

02:52:08.000 There's no law about lying against everything?

02:52:11.000 A lot of times people use, like, exaggerations.

02:52:15.000 It's everything.

02:52:17.000 Everything about his life was a total lie.

02:52:19.000 But that's the kind of person that wants that kind of power.

02:52:22.000 Yeah.

02:52:22.000 And he'll do anything to get it.

02:52:24.000 Not only lying, it's not hard to figure out.

02:52:27.000 One second he says his mother died in 9-11, and then someone just digs up a tweet.

02:52:32.000 Here you are talking about your mother after the fact.

02:52:35.000 It's just crazy.

02:52:37.000 But he's literally voting...

02:52:40.000 There's cameras of him sitting down to vote, checking in.

02:52:43.000 There was a video of him.

02:52:45.000 All the cameras were waiting for him, and he's just kind of speed walking away.

02:52:50.000 He just didn't know he was new to Congress.

02:52:51.000 He just walked into a dead end and had to turn around and come back.

02:52:55.000 That stuff makes me laugh, but it's actually kind of scary.

02:52:58.000 It is scary, but it's also funny.

02:53:00.000 It is funny.

02:53:01.000 If there's no consequences, it's scary because there are. 1.00

02:53:03.000 Because that guy does get to vote, and he's completely full of shit, I guess. 1.00

02:53:07.000 Understate me, yeah. 1.00

02:53:09.000 George Santos.

02:53:10.000 I think that's him.

02:53:10.000 George Santos.

02:53:12.000 And he won't be the last.

02:53:14.000 They'll be more like him. 1.00

02:53:15.000 There's just a fucking litany. 1.00

02:53:16.000 There's a whole fucking line of those people that are full of shit. 1.00

02:53:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:53:20.000 And I don't... 1.00

02:53:20.000 Lifetime beer cats, all that. 1.00

02:53:22.000 Yeah.

02:53:22.000 It's just...

02:53:23.000 It's a gross world.

02:53:24.000 It really is.

02:53:25.000 It's a gross, compromised world, and the only way to stop it is to get money out of politics.

02:53:28.000 And how do you do that now? 0.98

02:53:30.000 Who the fuck is gonna sign off on that? 0.99

02:53:32.000 I mean, who the fuck is gonna sign off on getting rid of all the special interest groups, getting rid of all the lobbyists? 0.99

02:53:38.000 No one. 0.98

02:53:39.000 So it's like, that's why it was fascinating to see a guy like Trump getting to power, because he was such an outsider.

02:53:45.000 They didn't know how to do it.

02:53:46.000 Their brains were so trained, they didn't know how to deal with them.

02:53:49.000 Everything they thought, like, the years and years of politics Worked against them.

02:53:54.000 Yeah.

02:53:55.000 Like, everything he did was not what they'd expect, and they didn't know how to react to it. 1.00

02:53:58.000 And the morons had a king. 1.00

02:53:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:54:00.000 There's a lot of morons. 1.00

02:54:01.000 Tons. 1.00

02:54:01.000 And it doesn't matter what he's saying. 1.00

02:54:04.000 Like, for them, he represents them.

02:54:07.000 And he represents the anti of them.

02:54:08.000 Like, he's not perfect, but at least he's real.

02:54:11.000 Yeah.

02:54:11.000 Like, there's that sort of thought process that he played with.

02:54:14.000 And also, people that didn't feel represented by someone who was ever in charge, and now this guy is.

02:54:20.000 And it's their guy.

02:54:22.000 And that...

02:54:24.000 That's the part where there's Tate, Trump, that is scary, and I'm sure you have this. 1.00

02:54:29.000 Like, I've been accused of shit that is just patently false. 0.99

02:54:32.000 I feel like I've done an unbelievable job of having evidence and proof that's false. 0.98

02:54:37.000 But I also know my audience is so attached to me, if I said I didn't do something, they'd believe me regardless.

02:54:45.000 Well, you're an honest person.

02:54:46.000 Yes, but...

02:54:47.000 You're not a perfect person.

02:54:48.000 You're an honest person.

02:54:49.000 100%.

02:54:50.000 And you're honest about that.

02:54:53.000 Yeah, I've always been, but I guess my point was, once you, maybe not, because I've established the audience.

02:54:59.000 People don't need to like you.

02:55:01.000 There's a lot of people that like all kinds of stuff that I don't like, and that's okay.

02:55:06.000 But the problem is when people don't like someone like you, because you represent masculinity, you represent gambling and sports and girls and money, and they don't like that.

02:55:14.000 They don't like that.

02:55:15.000 So they just like, like the automatic instinct.

02:55:19.000 Instead of just going, ah, that's not my thing.

02:55:20.000 They just like, we got to take that guy down.

02:55:22.000 And then, of course, when someone, that's their job.

02:55:25.000 Their job is to write hit pieces.

02:55:27.000 And those hit pieces get a lot of clicks, and that's their industry.

02:55:31.000 That's what they do.

02:55:32.000 That's what their job is.

02:55:35.000 It's the arena.

02:55:36.000 I mean, the shocking part is just, again...

02:55:40.000 It's shocking because we've never done it before, and now all of a sudden you're in the middle of it, and as an independent person, which you are, it's a rare spot where someone gets as much attention as you do and has as much power and influence as you do, but you're completely unconnected.

02:55:54.000 You can do whatever you want, and that's what's scary.

02:55:57.000 That's where it gets wild.

02:56:00.000 Yeah, to a degree.

02:56:01.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:56:02.000 We're regulated.

02:56:03.000 So, I mean, I still deal with, like I've always said for people who don't like me, the best thing that ever happened was we became this gambling company or associated because I can't be as unhinged or I can't go after people in the manner I would like to.

02:56:18.000 I have to stay away for the most part.

02:56:20.000 That's probably good for you.

02:56:20.000 Yeah, well, no, it keeps me up because, you know, I am a petty...

02:56:24.000 I like gambling.

02:56:25.000 I don't gamble.

02:56:26.000 I don't gamble much.

02:56:28.000 I used to gamble a lot on fights.

02:56:31.000 I used to bet on fights.

02:56:32.000 Are you allowed to?

02:56:33.000 I don't think I am now.

02:56:34.000 I think now the UFC recently, because of the James Krause thing, but that was a fighter who was managing and training a fighter who was accused of telling people about an injury that could affect the outcome of a fight.

02:56:49.000 And I don't know if it's true.

02:56:51.000 I don't know what the evidence is.

02:56:52.000 All I know is the allegations, but I know it's serious enough where they're investigating it, and it's serious enough where his fighters are not allowed to compete in the UFC anymore.

02:57:00.000 So it's a really big deal.

02:57:04.000 You know, I'm friends with people that just train at his gym that work at the UFC that now have to find a new gym, they feel.

02:57:10.000 And I'm like, whoa.

02:57:11.000 But you just train there.

02:57:12.000 It's a gym filled with fighters.

02:57:14.000 You're not even allowed to train there anymore.

02:57:16.000 Or they feel like they're not allowed to train there anymore, I should say.

02:57:19.000 Like Laura Sanko.

02:57:24.000 Sports take it.

02:57:41.000 Wildly seriously and naturally it's the integrity of the game.

02:57:44.000 Gambling.

02:57:44.000 Yeah.

02:57:44.000 Look, if you're gonna allow gambling, which I think you should allow, you have to make sure that there's no fucking bullshit.

02:57:50.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:57:50.000 And that people aren't doing something like that, where they're giving someone, like letting them know this guy's gonna lay down and then bet the house on this guy. 0.98

02:57:58.000 Yeah.

02:57:58.000 No, you got to cut that off.

02:58:00.000 But I used to gamble with my business partner at Onnit, my friend Aubrey.

02:58:06.000 But the way I would do it is I used to gamble in the fights early on, like the early days of the US, like early 2000s.

02:58:14.000 I would just go to the betting.

02:58:15.000 I'd go, oh, nobody even knows about Anderson Silva. 0.99

02:58:17.000 Like, bet the fucking house on this guy. 0.99

02:58:19.000 Bet the house on this guy. 1.00

02:58:20.000 And I would do that.

02:58:21.000 But then I thought about it for a while.

02:58:23.000 I was like, maybe this isn't good for my commentary.

02:58:25.000 Like maybe I'll be biased if I have like 500 bucks on this guy or something.

02:58:28.000 I'm like, I should probably stop doing this.

02:58:31.000 So I just stopped doing it and I would just tell Aubrey.

02:58:34.000 And we were at one point in time, we were like 84% winning.

02:58:37.000 If you have the inside info.

02:58:39.000 It wasn't inside info.

02:58:41.000 Well, if you know Anderson Silva's and Anderson Silva before the general public, I guess, is not inside.

02:58:46.000 Bookmakers weren't obsessed with MMA the way I was.

02:58:49.000 They didn't know about Shudo.

02:58:51.000 They didn't know about Ring and Rising and K-1 and all these different...

02:58:56.000 There's just so many different organizations that people are fighting for overseas.

02:58:59.000 Deep...

02:59:00.000 If you're going to know real fighters, like what a person's capable of, I firmly believe you have to have some training yourself.

02:59:09.000 You have to be able to see where the openings are, whether or not someone's doing something special, and you have to be obsessed with it.

02:59:16.000 And if you're not obsessed with it, you're...

02:59:20.000 Basing it on records and how well this guy fought without knowledge of whether or not a person was committed. 0.99

02:59:27.000 There's guys that are underdogs that I look at them like, how the fuck is that guy an underdog? 0.97

02:59:31.000 And they wind up dominating. 0.97

02:59:32.000 I'm like, this is a crazy line.

02:59:33.000 Still to this day.

02:59:35.000 To this day, there's bad lines.

02:59:36.000 Where I see them, I'm like, oh my, you gotta look at that guy. 1.00

02:59:40.000 If that guy's in shape and he's training, and I heard he is, that guy's a motherfucker, man. 1.00

02:59:45.000 People are in trouble. 0.99

02:59:46.000 And a lot of these guys who, at least in the beginning, that were making the lines, they didn't really know what the fuck was going on.

02:59:53.000 That's natural.

02:59:54.000 It'll catch up, obviously, as MMA has exploded. 1.00

02:59:56.000 You knew I was on the wrong side of Meatball Molly. 1.00

02:59:59.000 Well, I had a feeling.

03:00:00.000 Yeah, you gave me the look.

03:00:02.000 Erin Blanchfield was a bad, bad ball. 1.00

03:00:03.000 Yeah, she's got a big fight coming up, Erin, right? 0.99

03:00:05.000 I believe so.

03:00:06.000 Who's Erin Blanchfield? 1.00

03:00:08.000 I think she's fighting somebody pretty good.

03:00:10.000 Well, she should be fighting pretty good.

03:00:10.000 I followed her a little bit because I obviously watched that.

03:00:12.000 That girl's elite, man. 1.00

03:00:14.000 She's a future world champion. 1.00

03:00:16.000 She's fucking elite. 1.00

03:00:17.000 When I saw that she was lined up with Meatball Molly, and I saw that you were like, you bet some money on Meatball Molly. 0.99

03:00:21.000 Well, she's our girl.

03:00:22.000 I know.

03:00:23.000 I love her.

03:00:23.000 I love her, too.

03:00:24.000 She just got engaged.

03:00:25.000 Congrats, Molly.

03:00:25.000 She's a beast.

03:00:26.000 She's really fucking good, but... 1.00

03:00:29.000 But Aaron Blanchfield's on another level. 0.99

03:00:31.000 There's levels.

03:00:32.000 And there's Talia Santos.

03:00:35.000 Ooh, Talia Santos is good.

03:00:37.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

03:00:38.000 That's a big fight.

03:00:39.000 Fight night.

03:00:40.000 What night is that?

03:00:42.000 Mmm, that's a good fight.

03:00:44.000 That's a very good fight.

03:00:45.000 Talia Santos is no joke. 0.99

03:00:46.000 So in that fight, you'll see.

03:00:48.000 You'll see.

03:00:49.000 You know, if she beats her, like, whoo, that's a fast track to the title. 0.82

03:00:52.000 And, you know, she's young and super technical.

03:00:56.000 Her technique is so sharp.

03:00:58.000 So that's why, when I came up to you...

03:01:00.000 Once it was on the ground, it was done.

03:01:01.000 I was like, dude...

03:01:02.000 I'll give Molly credit.

03:01:03.000 She took about 9,000 shots before she submitted.

03:01:06.000 Yeah, she got owned. 0.99

03:01:09.000 But that's just, you know, that's how the sport goes.

03:01:12.000 There's levels, you know?

03:01:13.000 There's levels. 0.99

03:01:15.000 And, you know, sometimes a fighter just finds their fucking groove, like Charles Oliveira. 0.99

03:01:19.000 Like, for the longest time, he had the accusation of being a quitter. 0.99

03:01:23.000 That was the rub on him. 1.00

03:01:25.000 When the shit got hard, he would fall apart. 1.00

03:01:28.000 And then all of a sudden he didn't. 1.00

03:01:29.000 And all of a sudden he started dominating everybody.

03:01:31.000 And all of a sudden he knocks out Michael Chandler, submits Justin Gaethje. 1.00

03:01:34.000 He's the motherfucker of motherfuckers. 1.00

03:01:37.000 You never know with fighters. 1.00

03:01:40.000 It's their skill set and their mindset and where they're at in life.

03:01:44.000 Remember when Buster Douglas fought Mike Tyson? 0.98

03:01:46.000 Nobody thought he had a goddamn chance. 0.98

03:01:47.000 But Buster Douglas' mother died before that fight. 0.98

03:01:51.000 That combo with Tyson's life was falling apart.

03:01:53.000 Tyson's life was falling apart. 0.98

03:01:55.000 Buster Douglas was always super fucking talented. 0.84

03:01:58.000 It wasn't just that Mike Tyson's life was falling apart. 0.99

03:02:02.000 Buster Douglas was a bad man.

03:02:04.000 He just didn't commit himself to boxing like he could have.

03:02:07.000 Like many super talented people, he just didn't go all in.

03:02:12.000 There's some super talented people that just skate by because they're able to.

03:02:17.000 Khabib said that.

03:02:18.000 Khabib said that the talented guys, it's too easy for them.

03:02:23.000 You want the guys that are just willing to just grind and work hard and they eventually overcome the talented guys because they just have this mindset where they can suffer and they can train and they can get up in the morning and do it again.

03:02:34.000 They're dedicated and they don't drink and they don't party. 0.95

03:02:36.000 I mean, Camille makes all his guys cut their hair a certain length, and there's no fucking around in his gym. 0.92

03:02:42.000 And that's why he's Nurmagomedov. 0.97

03:02:44.000 That's why he's one of the GOATs, if not the GOAT. And that's why he retired undefeated.

03:02:47.000 Because he had that unstoppable commitment, that discipline, that championship drive.

03:02:53.000 And some really talented guys don't.

03:02:55.000 They just don't, for whatever reason. 0.99

03:02:57.000 It comes too easy in the beginning, or they're They're trying to chase pussy, or they want to hang out with their boys and party too much. 0.99

03:03:06.000 It's also, once you're atop, harder to stay there. 0.96

03:03:08.000 It's like the old, who was it, Marvin Hagler?

03:03:10.000 Yep.

03:03:11.000 You don't do road work in silk pajamas or something like that?

03:03:13.000 Silk sheets, yeah. 0.99

03:03:14.000 Marvin Hagler used to go to Provincetown, fucking run in the snow. 0.99

03:03:18.000 Yeah, that was commitment. 0.99

03:03:20.000 That's like championship mindset.

03:03:22.000 He's the epitome of that. 1.00

03:03:24.000 Marvin Hagler was the fucking man. 0.99

03:03:26.000 He was the guy that, like, outworked everybody. 1.00

03:03:29.000 And he was the guy that, like, always had a chip on his shoulder because he always thought that they all looked past him.

03:03:33.000 And then when he knocked out Tommy Hearns, he's like, what's up now?

03:03:36.000 Yeah, that was, like, the best fight.

03:03:38.000 Oh, my God, what a fight that was.

03:03:40.000 Unbelievable.

03:03:40.000 But Hagler had a chin, man.

03:03:42.000 He had a fucking chin. 1.00

03:03:44.000 Like, he could take it better than anybody ever. 1.00

03:03:46.000 He fought John the Beast Mugabe, who was knocking out everybody, and Hagrid just kept beating the fuck out of him.

03:03:52.000 Eventually broke him, and Mugabe was never the same again, after he beat up Mugabe.

03:03:57.000 But that's the...

03:03:58.000 I mean, obviously Hagrid was super talented, too, and one of the best switch hitters ever in boxing, other than Terrence Crawford, who I think is, like, right up there.

03:04:06.000 Terrence Crawford, he switch hits better than anybody.

03:04:09.000 So you watch every boxing match, then, too?

03:04:11.000 I watch a lot of boxing.

03:04:12.000 I watch way more MMA, and I watch a lot of kickboxing, but I still watch a lot of boxing.

03:04:18.000 Yeah.

03:04:19.000 I grew up on boxing, so I mean, I watch them both, but...

03:04:22.000 Terrence Crawford and Earl Spence Jr., that's the fight.

03:04:26.000 God, I hope they make that fight.

03:04:28.000 I mean, I know Terrence just won, you know, and then they're trying to figure out a way to make that fight happen.

03:04:34.000 I don't know what the holdup is.

03:04:35.000 That's the biggest difference.

03:04:37.000 Well, maybe not biggest, but what, in my mind, MMA, boxing, is the best guys always fight in MMA. In the UFC. But you have to be in the UFC. Like, we never got Fedor Emelianenko.

03:04:50.000 Right.

03:04:51.000 You gotta be in the UFC. Yeah.

03:04:52.000 Fedor Emelianenko, when he was the king of pride, he was the baddest fucking heavyweight that ever lived. 0.95

03:04:58.000 He was so good, dude. 0.98

03:05:00.000 He was so scary and so stoic.

03:05:02.000 And he could submit you or he could knock you out. 0.99

03:05:05.000 God damn, he was good. 0.98

03:05:07.000 That's, to me, the biggest regret of all of MMA is not seeing Cain Velasquez versus Fedor Emelianenko when Fedor was in his prime. 0.99

03:05:17.000 I would have given anything to see that.

03:05:20.000 I would have flown to Japan to see that fight.

03:05:22.000 I would have loved to see that fight.

03:05:24.000 That was, to me, the biggest tragedy was we never saw Fedor in his prime come over to the UFC. And by the time he went to Strikeforce, He was already, I think, miles on the odometer, hard fights,

03:05:40.000 brutal, brutal, brutal fights that he had in Pride.

03:05:42.000 I just don't think he was the same guy.

03:05:44.000 I don't think that would happen now.

03:05:46.000 It could happen now.

03:05:47.000 You think there could be a guy who could be that good who's not in the UFC? Yeah, you could have a guy in Bellator that's dominating everybody and just decides, Bellator's giving him a lot of money and he doesn't want to go over to the UFC. You've got guys in one championship now that are fucking elite.

03:06:02.000 They're straight-up killers. 0.99

03:06:04.000 They're as good as anybody alive, and they fight over in Asia.

03:06:08.000 And they just haven't gotten the fanfare and the people behind them like, say, some of the fighters have in the UFC. The UFC is the biggest organization in MMA, period.

03:06:18.000 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

03:06:20.000 If you're not a UFC champion, even if you are elite, even if you're fantastic, there's always going to be that thing that's attached to you that you never fought in the UFC. Which is why I didn't think that would happen, because UFC has progressed so much.

03:06:32.000 It has, but there's still guys that, for whatever reason, they don't make it over here.

03:06:39.000 Maybe 1FC gives them a bigger contract.

03:06:41.000 Maybe they feel like they can shine over there more.

03:06:45.000 Maybe they have less stringent drug testing, which is a very big factor, an undeniable factor.

03:06:51.000 If you have an organization that doesn't have something like USADA or people showing up at your doorstep at 6.30 in the morning and waking you out of bed and making you take a piss test and making you take a blood test, then you don't know.

03:07:01.000 If you're just doing a drug test after the weigh-in, that's just an intelligence test.

03:07:06.000 That's just a scientific test.

03:07:08.000 That's like, do you have a good team behind you?

03:07:10.000 Because the early days of the UFC, there was a lot of guys doing steroids and they still passed drug tests because they knew how to cycle off or when they got to the weigh-in and they knew what was getting tested for and whatnot.

03:07:22.000 There was camps that had scientists That were involved in the camps.

03:07:27.000 And I know this for a fact.

03:07:28.000 There was camps that had doctors who knew exactly what you could take and what you couldn't take and how much to take and when to take it.

03:07:36.000 Why wouldn't you?

03:07:37.000 Why wouldn't you?

03:07:38.000 Because the rub was that everybody was doing it.

03:07:41.000 And then USADA came along and you saw physiques melt. 0.99

03:07:45.000 You saw dudes who were just fucking... 0.99

03:07:50.000 If I thought I wasn't going to get caught, I would take steroids in two seconds. 0.99

03:07:54.000 Especially if everybody else was taken.

03:07:55.000 Yeah.

03:07:56.000 Especially.

03:07:57.000 That's one thing I've never, whether it's baseball or anything.

03:07:59.000 If you told me I could take a steroid and become the best at what I do, I'd do it in two seconds.

03:08:06.000 If you're in a sport where everybody's doing it, like if you're in a sport like bodybuilding, which you could say is a sport or not a sport, because they're competing just based on the way they look, I think it's still a sport.

03:08:18.000 But it's complicated.

03:08:20.000 If you have a sport like bodybuilding and everyone's doing steroids and you say, I'm not going to do steroids.

03:08:24.000 Well, guess what?

03:08:25.000 You're not going to win.

03:08:26.000 You're not going to win.

03:08:27.000 You can't be Dorian Yates.

03:08:29.000 You can't be Ronnie Coleman.

03:08:31.000 You can't be those guys unless you're taking steroids.

03:08:34.000 That's just the sport.

03:08:35.000 And that's like where a lot of sports are right now.

03:08:38.000 There's certain sports like grappling.

03:08:40.000 Gordon Ryan, who's the greatest grappler of all time, openly admits to taking performance enhancing drugs.

03:08:46.000 Openly talks about it.

03:08:47.000 Because everybody's doing it.

03:08:48.000 And he's just honest.

03:08:50.000 He's just like, yeah, I take them.

03:08:51.000 Everybody's taking them.

03:08:52.000 They're not illegal in our sport.

03:08:54.000 And if you look at him, he looks like a guy who takes performance-enhancing drugs. 0.99

03:08:58.000 He looks like a fucking Greek god. 0.99

03:09:00.000 But you can't... 1.00

03:09:00.000 Look at him. 1.00

03:09:01.000 That's Gordon Ryan.

03:09:02.000 I mean, not only is he the greatest...

03:09:03.000 He looks like Zeus.

03:09:04.000 He's the greatest of all time, and he's only 27 years old.

03:09:06.000 What is he?

03:09:07.000 He spray-paints his beard?

03:09:09.000 No, he bleached blonde his hair.

03:09:12.000 He looks like Zeus.

03:09:12.000 He looks like he could be with the lightning bolt.

03:09:15.000 But look at the fucking build on that guy. 0.99

03:09:17.000 And on top of that, he's the most dedicated, the most intelligent, the most technical, and he's trained by the best guy. 0.99

03:09:24.000 I mean, he's the baddest motherfucker that's ever grappled. 0.98

03:09:27.000 What sport is this? 0.99

03:09:27.000 Jiu-jitsu. 0.99

03:09:28.000 Oh.

03:09:28.000 He's the greatest no-gi jiu-jitsu competitor that's ever lived, for sure.

03:09:33.000 Everybody admits it.

03:09:35.000 Everybody's scared of him.

03:09:36.000 He dominates everybody.

03:09:37.000 He's won like 50-plus matches in a row.

03:09:40.000 Now, why would a guy like that not go UFC? Because of the drug testing?

03:09:43.000 No.

03:09:44.000 Well, he could go to one FC. He could go to one of these organizations that doesn't test like that.

03:09:48.000 But I think because he's not a striker and because he's dominant in jiu-jitsu and he thinks that he could be like a Tony Hawk of jiu-jitsu, like a guy who rises past the sport itself.

03:10:02.000 And he becomes like an icon for what that sport is and becomes pop, and he is!

03:10:07.000 He's making millions of dollars without fighting in MMA, without getting the brain damage, and dominating in his art and what he's dedicated to.

03:10:16.000 I mean, you could say it's all performance enhancing drugs, but that's not correct.

03:10:20.000 If everybody's doing it.

03:10:22.000 Everybody's doing it.

03:10:23.000 And it's not everybody.

03:10:24.000 There's some younger guys like the Rutolo brothers who are totally clean, but they're 19 years old in a lower weight class, but he's a heavyweight.

03:10:32.000 And if you just look at all the elite guys in the sport, when you go to Abu Dhabi and you look at the best guys that are competing... 1.00

03:10:42.000 So many of them are on shit. 1.00

03:10:43.000 Most of them are on shit. 1.00

03:10:45.000 Well, if you're not testing for it, you'd be a moron not to be on it. 1.00

03:10:49.000 To be able to train every day the way a guy like Gordon does. 0.98

03:10:52.000 And I mean every day.

03:10:53.000 He trains 365 days a year. 1.00

03:10:55.000 Christmas, birthday, fuck you, show up. 1.00

03:10:57.000 Everybody shows up. 1.00

03:10:58.000 And his coach, John Donaher, is not just one of the most brilliant guys that has ever coached anybody, but he's one of the most brilliant guys I've ever talked to.

03:11:06.000 He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia.

03:11:10.000 And got obsessed with jujitsu and started training and then teaching it and then became the greatest jujitsu coach literally the world's ever known.

03:11:17.000 And the two of them together are this unstoppable force.

03:11:21.000 So to attribute all that just to performance enhancing drugs is crazy.

03:11:25.000 But to say that it doesn't play a part in it is also untrue.

03:11:28.000 There's a factor because the way he's able to train, one of the things, like if you're on performance enhancing drugs, your recovery is way better.

03:11:36.000 So you're able to train far more than someone who's not on those things.

03:11:40.000 On top of that, his nutrition's on point.

03:11:43.000 On top of that, his recovery, all the stuff that he does to get better.

03:11:47.000 He's doing everything.

03:11:48.000 He's doing everything right and you can't stop it.

03:11:51.000 Never heard of him. 1.00

03:11:51.000 He's the motherfucker, dude. 1.00

03:11:53.000 I believe it just looking at him. 1.00

03:11:54.000 He's the motherfucker. 1.00

03:11:56.000 Everybody, like he has these, that's him when he was like 17. Oh yeah, well there you go. 1.00

03:12:02.000 Yeah, to like whatever he's in his early 20s there. 1.00

03:12:05.000 Yeah, for sure, on some shit. 0.99

03:12:08.000 And openly admits it. 0.99

03:12:09.000 But so are the guys he's competing against, I know for a fact.

03:12:13.000 He's dominated guys that are also on performance enhancing drugs.

03:12:16.000 This is like the bodybuilder conversation.

03:12:18.000 Like you can't compete as a pro bodybuilder unless you are doing something.

03:12:23.000 Your body's not supposed to be that big.

03:12:26.000 And there's also this acknowledgement like you're doing very serious damage to your body.

03:12:30.000 You're getting yourself dehydrated down to like zero water and like 1% body fat.

03:12:36.000 Do you follow bodybuilding?

03:12:37.000 Very little.

03:12:39.000 Very little.

03:12:39.000 I mean, just peripherally.

03:12:40.000 But I followed enough to look at their physiques and go, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

03:12:45.000 I mean, the bodybuilder physiques are like cartoons. 0.99

03:12:48.000 And they keep getting bigger.

03:12:49.000 Who won the Mr. Universe this year? 0.99

03:12:52.000 These guys are fucking preposterously huge. 1.00

03:12:54.000 They're cartoonish. 1.00

03:12:56.000 They're so enormous.

03:12:57.000 Like, you can't even imagine a human being...

03:12:59.000 You can't attain those levels of physique naturally.

03:13:03.000 Even if you are...

03:13:05.000 Like, Ronnie Coleman didn't even start taking steroids until he was 30 because he had superior genetics.

03:13:11.000 His genetics were off the chart.

03:13:12.000 But when I had him on the podcast, he talked about it.

03:13:14.000 He goes, I still couldn't beat the best of the best until I started doing steroids.

03:13:18.000 But he talks about it very openly.

03:13:22.000 But he was still, even up to the point where he was 30 years old, was phenomenal.

03:13:28.000 That's the guy.

03:13:30.000 Jesus!

03:13:32.000 That's way too much. 1.00

03:13:34.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

03:13:36.000 Who is that guy? 1.00

03:13:37.000 Hari Kupan?

03:13:38.000 Kupan?

03:13:38.000 Hari Kupan.

03:13:39.000 Now, does this guy look himself in the mirror and think he looks good?

03:13:43.000 That's what he wants to look like.

03:13:44.000 Maybe it's Chupan.

03:13:45.000 Chupan?

03:13:46.000 Chupan?

03:13:47.000 But, I mean, that's what he wants to look like. 0.99

03:13:48.000 Goddamn. 0.99

03:13:49.000 He wants to be a bodybuilder. 0.99

03:13:50.000 I mean, does he look good?

03:13:51.000 Yeah.

03:13:52.000 No, he doesn't.

03:13:52.000 He does as a bodybuilder.

03:13:54.000 Yeah, as a bodybuilder.

03:13:54.000 That's why he wins.

03:13:56.000 You just don't think he looks good as, like, a regular human.

03:13:59.000 Correct.

03:14:00.000 Like, as a girl looking at that being like, oh, he's attractive.

03:14:02.000 Some girls. 1.00

03:14:03.000 No way.

03:14:03.000 Yeah, for sure there's freaks.

03:14:05.000 Gym freaks who want to get stuffed by a giant warrior. 0.75

03:14:09.000 That's not a warrior.

03:14:11.000 But that's what it looks like.

03:14:12.000 Honestly, I didn't even know that was a cartoon.

03:14:15.000 Look at that.

03:14:16.000 That's what he looks like.

03:14:17.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

03:14:18.000 Look at the fucking thighs on that guy. 1.00

03:14:21.000 But that's that sport. 1.00

03:14:23.000 Yeah, right.

03:14:24.000 I mean, that's what you're trying to achieve.

03:14:25.000 You're trying to achieve Dorian Yates, you know?

03:14:27.000 You ever see Dorian Yates?

03:14:29.000 No.

03:14:29.000 Dorian Yates was one of the first guys that was just super massive.

03:14:34.000 Super massive.

03:14:35.000 And I had him on the podcast too.

03:14:37.000 And he's honest about drug use as well.

03:14:39.000 But it's also dedication.

03:14:41.000 His dedication was unsurpassed.

03:14:43.000 Look at the size of him.

03:14:44.000 Jesus.

03:14:46.000 Imagine if he was in front of you on the podcast.

03:14:49.000 If this guy was on the podcast, he'd be like, no, I'm natural. 0.98

03:14:51.000 He'd be like, what, are you crazy?

03:14:52.000 Well, that's like the Liver King thing, right? 0.71

03:14:54.000 Yeah, it's like, come on, man. 1.00

03:14:57.000 But you look at him there, I'm like, holy fucking shit, was he jacked. 1.00

03:15:02.000 Look at that. 1.00

03:15:04.000 Jesus!

03:15:04.000 But he's not like that now.

03:15:06.000 Now he looks like that.

03:15:07.000 Now he's just a fit guy, who's like normal physique.

03:15:11.000 Like if you saw that guy on the beach, you wouldn't say, that's a preposterous physique.

03:15:15.000 No, no.

03:15:15.000 You'd say, that's a guy who's in great shape.

03:15:16.000 Yeah.

03:15:17.000 He looks good.

03:15:18.000 Still uses steroids?

03:15:19.000 No, no, no.

03:15:20.000 But he does take testosterone replacement.

03:15:22.000 But he doesn't bodybuild anymore.

03:15:23.000 I mean, he just trains for health now.

03:15:25.000 He's a very intelligent guy.

03:15:27.000 A very interesting guy.

03:15:28.000 I really enjoyed talking to him.

03:15:30.000 And smokes a lot of weed.

03:15:32.000 It's interesting.

03:15:33.000 It's like popcorn muscles.

03:15:34.000 Yeah.

03:15:36.000 So that's him later?

03:15:38.000 Yeah, I guess.

03:15:39.000 Oh, that's him early in his career.

03:15:41.000 Early, early before he got super jacked.

03:15:42.000 I still think he's taking steroids on the right.

03:15:44.000 Well, no.

03:15:44.000 He's on testosterone replacement.

03:15:46.000 You kind of have to on the right.

03:15:48.000 I mean, he's in his 60s.

03:15:50.000 That's why I'm saying he's...

03:15:51.000 But there's also, like, when you do those amount of steroids, your endocrine system shuts down.

03:15:56.000 You stop producing testosterone.

03:15:57.000 So you've got to take it?

03:15:58.000 You have to take exogenous testosterone.

03:16:00.000 There's no way around it.

03:16:04.000 Crazy sport. 0.98

03:16:05.000 Yeah, well you have to be crazy to do it.

03:16:09.000 To see that and be like, I want to do that, there's something weird going on.

03:16:14.000 To you, But to them, no.

03:16:17.000 That's what they want.

03:16:18.000 Well, you could say that about anything.

03:16:20.000 You could say that about football.

03:16:21.000 If you're going to get brain damage, you want to do that?

03:16:24.000 And they go, but I want the glory.

03:16:25.000 I want that pink Lamborghini.

03:16:27.000 Well, you could use that logic with anything.

03:16:29.000 But that's brain damage.

03:16:31.000 They're getting brain damage, and these guys are getting giant, and they're doing kidney damage.

03:16:35.000 I don't think a normal human...

03:16:37.000 To me, I just look at that picture, and I'm not like...

03:16:41.000 I want that.

03:16:43.000 No.

03:16:43.000 And I don't think 99% of humans are like, I want that.

03:16:47.000 Like, you see, I see a good-looking guy, a good-looking girl, it's just inherent.

03:16:51.000 Like, handsome, pretty, attractive, that?

03:16:53.000 No.

03:16:54.000 No.

03:16:54.000 I think for most people, no.

03:16:57.000 Right.

03:16:57.000 But also, that's not what they want.

03:16:59.000 They want that.

03:17:00.000 Totally.

03:17:00.000 Yeah.

03:17:00.000 That's why they do it.

03:17:01.000 Yeah, it's not normal.

03:17:03.000 I mean, also, it's body dysmorphia, because a lot of those guys don't think they're big.

03:17:07.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.97

03:17:08.000 They look in the mirror and they're like, I look fucking great. 0.99

03:17:10.000 Or they think they look small. 0.98

03:17:12.000 A lot of those guys think they look small, which is crazy.

03:17:14.000 Yeah, that is what you said.

03:17:16.000 That's like a pretty girl who looks in the mirror and is like, I look fat. 0.98

03:17:18.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

03:17:19.000 That same vibe.

03:17:20.000 Yeah, body dysmorphia.

03:17:21.000 Yeah.

03:17:23.000 People are weird.

03:17:25.000 Understatement.

03:17:26.000 Yeah.

03:17:28.000 There's a lot of strange people.

03:17:31.000 Well, there's a lot of people that do it like that, and they're not even competing.

03:17:33.000 They're just trying to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

03:17:36.000 You know?

03:17:36.000 You ever Rich Piana?

03:17:38.000 You ever heard of that guy?

03:17:39.000 No.

03:17:39.000 He was this guy who would take ungodly...

03:17:42.000 He died young.

03:17:43.000 He took ungodly amounts of steroids.

03:17:45.000 And I forget what his catchphrase was or something about...

03:17:51.000 I forget what it was, but it was just basically saying that he was trying to be...

03:17:56.000 Like, look at the size of him on the right.

03:17:58.000 Look at that one where he's got his hands on the equipment on the upper right. 1.00

03:18:03.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

03:18:05.000 Like, preposterously huge. 1.00

03:18:08.000 Preposterously.

03:18:08.000 And on everything.

03:18:10.000 And also open about being on everything.

03:18:13.000 And, you know, died young.

03:18:14.000 I think he died because of steroids.

03:18:17.000 Yeah, I'm not giving these guys necessarily credit for openly admitting to be on steroids.

03:18:27.000 No.

03:18:28.000 I understand what you're saying.

03:18:29.000 Yeah.

03:18:30.000 Why?

03:18:30.000 What are you doing?

03:18:32.000 Jesus Christ.

03:18:33.000 He's sticking him out because of his arm.

03:18:34.000 Yeah, his knees are below his arms.

03:18:37.000 That post him out.

03:18:38.000 But Jesus, the size of that guy.

03:18:40.000 And how old was he when he died?

03:18:42.000 I feel like he was like 40. Yeah, it wasn't that long ago.

03:18:45.000 I think he just redlined his system until it just BOOM! It's 2017, so he would have been 47. Yeah, 47 and just preposterously jacked.

03:18:56.000 So he won a bunch of physique competitions, Mr. Teen California, Mr. California, National Physique Committee competitions.

03:19:04.000 But, you know, mostly he was like an online famous guy for being super jacked.

03:19:09.000 Which is, like, a lot of these, you know, social media influencers.

03:19:13.000 That, like, becomes their business, is to become super jacked or super shredded, and, you know, then they're committed to this, and then they're online.

03:19:21.000 You find your lane, I guess.

03:19:23.000 I guess. 0.67

03:19:24.000 Be gigantically, preposterously huge. 0.78

03:19:28.000 Find your lane. 0.73

03:19:30.000 Yeah, that's his lane.

03:19:31.000 It's a wild lane to be in.

03:19:33.000 It's a strange lane to be in, for sure.

03:19:36.000 Yeah, I would say so.

03:19:38.000 Yeah.

03:19:39.000 Dave Portnoy, we just talked for like three plus hours.

03:19:42.000 Oh, really?

03:19:42.000 So I was wondering that...

03:19:44.000 How much time's gone by?

03:19:45.000 Three and a half.

03:19:46.000 So I was looking at all past episodes, because I know you go super long.

03:19:51.000 Yeah.

03:19:51.000 And if one's like two hours versus four, does the two mean you just ran out of stuff?

03:19:56.000 Sometimes it's just the conversation's over, and sometimes someone has to go somewhere.

03:20:02.000 Got it.

03:20:03.000 Like sometimes someone doesn't have three hours, they only have two.

03:20:06.000 Yeah.

03:20:06.000 So I was like, if I'm in the two...

03:20:09.000 You were worried about that?

03:20:10.000 Well, I was like, that means it didn't go well.

03:20:11.000 It went great.

03:20:12.000 Yes, we got in the sweet spot.

03:20:14.000 It was fun.

03:20:15.000 I enjoyed talking to you.

03:20:16.000 Same, same.

03:20:17.000 Thanks for being here, man.

03:20:17.000 I enjoyed it.

03:20:18.000 All right.

03:20:19.000 Fun times.

03:20:19.000 All right.

03:20:20.000 I asked all over your table.

03:20:21.000 I did, too.

03:20:22.000 All good.

03:20:22.000 Good.

03:20:23.000 We'll do it again.

03:20:24.000 All right.

03:20:24.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 05, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1920 - Dave Portnoy

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