The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1922 - Sam & Colby

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00:00:12.000 How'd you make it back? 1.00

00:00:13.000 So, we were doing some stupid TikTok stuff during the pandemic, and we were all challenging each other to do stupid stuff. 0.94

00:00:20.000 And for some reason, I thought it was a great idea to try to jump off of a second-story balcony onto a beanbag. 0.99

00:00:26.000 But I missed the beanbag.

00:00:28.000 Missed the beanbag completely.

00:00:30.000 Oh, no.

00:00:31.000 Yeah.

00:00:32.000 And you broke your back?

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:35.000 I did it a couple times the previous week, and I was like, I got this.

00:00:38.000 This is going to be fine.

00:00:39.000 And then I missed the Levine bag.

00:00:42.000 And so, you know, I think I only fractured a couple bones there.

00:00:45.000 Only a couple.

00:00:46.000 It definitely took me that for a while.

00:00:47.000 That's a real problem, though.

00:00:49.000 Yeah.

00:00:49.000 Is this your...

00:00:50.000 Oh, jeez.

00:00:51.000 Oh, please, God.

00:00:53.000 It's gruesome if you actually see it.

00:00:55.000 So what did you have to get...

00:00:56.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:00:57.000 So did you have to get surgery?

00:01:00.000 I didn't have to get surgery, but I was in a back brace for like six months.

00:01:04.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:01:05.000 So that was really bad. 0.99

00:01:07.000 Do you ever wonder that, like, you guys are in all these fucking haunted places. 1.00

00:01:12.000 Do you ever wonder if you're carrying any of that shit around with you? 1.00

00:01:18.000 Well, definitely. 0.99

00:01:19.000 What was crazy is a lot of people think that the sign of something being with you is like back pain.

00:01:25.000 But now that I've broken my back, I'm like, I can't.

00:01:27.000 I can't make that connection right there.

00:01:30.000 That's a real back pain, not a lot of back pain.

00:01:32.000 Well, there's back pain where people just like, there's psychosomatic back pain.

00:01:36.000 Like there's a guy named John, wasn't John Sarnos?

00:01:39.000 Is that his name?

00:01:40.000 He had this weird theory about back pain that applied to some people.

00:01:44.000 Not people with actual real injuries, but some people.

00:01:47.000 That it's all in your head. 0.91

00:01:48.000 That it's people that are like deeply stressed out and fucked up and it manifests itself as back pain. 0.98

00:01:54.000 And somehow or another through his teaching, a lot of people, including Howard Stern. 0.92

00:02:00.000 Didn't Howard Stern have a thing with his back where John Sarnos fixed it?

00:02:04.000 There's a picture of him.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, America's most famous back pain doctor said, pain is in your head.

00:02:09.000 Thousands think he's right.

00:02:11.000 Well, millions think he's wrong, though.

00:02:13.000 Well, then that doesn't work.

00:02:14.000 He's not right. 0.95

00:02:16.000 Like, sometimes you have fucking real back pain. 0.97

00:02:18.000 For sure. 0.97

00:02:18.000 You gotta get that fixed. 0.97

00:02:19.000 But for crazy people, for some people, like, you know, you just have something in your head, and it's like...

00:02:26.000 But it's really your psychology.

00:02:29.000 Exactly.

00:02:30.000 You're carrying it around with you.

00:02:31.000 No, speaking of carrying things around, a lot of people warn us that, like, because we go into so many haunted places, they're like, guys, you should be careful.

00:02:38.000 Like, aren't you worried about bringing this home or bringing this to other people?

00:02:41.000 Yeah.

00:02:42.000 I mean, we walked in here, obviously, it's probably just a coincidence.

00:02:45.000 We walked here and immediately, you know, your curtain fell over.

00:02:48.000 Yeah, not saying that's a paranormal.

00:02:50.000 A curtain has been up for two years.

00:02:52.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:53.000 Never had a problem, and then Jamie asked you a question, do you guys ever investigate anything that's bullshit? 0.92

00:02:58.000 And you're like, yeah, definitely, and then boom, the curtain falls. 0.95

00:03:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:02.000 Like it's rigged.

00:03:04.000 Like they're listening.

00:03:05.000 It's terrifying.

00:03:06.000 That's what I'm wondering.

00:03:07.000 Jamie, was that something you set up?

00:03:09.000 Definitely isn't. 0.95

00:03:10.000 I know Jamie, he's 100% anti-bullshit.

00:03:13.000 Do you feel like that's possible, that you could carry something like that with you?

00:03:20.000 We have a lot of people that tell us that.

00:03:22.000 We don't necessarily buy into it all that much.

00:03:25.000 There's definitely things that reoccur place to place, and it's not supposed to be the same haunting or whatever, but we get the same thing that we think has been following us from multiple places.

00:03:37.000 Do we 100% buy that?

00:03:39.000 I don't know.

00:03:40.000 But what's really weird is when people will look you dead in the eye, and they'll be like, there is someone behind you.

00:03:47.000 And I've seen them for there for like an hour.

00:03:49.000 And I'm like, I can't see that.

00:03:51.000 But I'm also not going to like brush that off my shoulder and saying that's like not there.

00:03:56.000 So someone has said there's someone behind you, but there's no one behind you.

00:04:02.000 So who are these people that said there's someone behind you?

00:04:05.000 Well, I mean, a bunch of different people.

00:04:07.000 Like, for us, we talk to a lot of people that are, like, mediums.

00:04:11.000 They, like, do tours or ghost hunts or anything like this.

00:04:14.000 Sketchy people.

00:04:15.000 Maybe.

00:04:16.000 A little sketchy.

00:04:17.000 We can't see these types of things, so we've got to take other people's word for it.

00:04:17.000 Potentially.

00:04:21.000 We're not seeing these people.

00:04:22.000 That's part of the problem is there's, like, an incentive to sense things and feel things.

00:04:28.000 I'm not anti-ghost by any stretch of the imagination.

00:04:30.000 I am open-minded.

00:04:32.000 But I know that there's a lot of people that like to pretend.

00:04:37.000 They like to pretend they have psychic powers.

00:04:40.000 They like to pretend they know things.

00:04:42.000 They like to pretend they've experienced things.

00:04:44.000 I've talked to so many people that have experienced UFOs.

00:04:48.000 I've talked to Bigfoot people that believe that they've met Bigfoot.

00:04:52.000 There's people that pretend.

00:04:54.000 But then there's also...

00:04:56.000 The thing that freaks me out about ghosts...

00:04:59.000 Is that it's been a reoccurring theme throughout human history and It's always it seems to be connected to some horrific death like whenever there's a horrific death it's almost like Like, that horrible moment,

00:05:14.000 like, burns space and time and leaves a residue.

00:05:19.000 A lot of people think that's, like, trauma, like, built into the place or, like, energy's there.

00:05:24.000 Right.

00:05:25.000 To your point, though, what's crazy about it is everybody, like, has had experiences over time.

00:05:32.000 Like, you walk into any room, and whether people believe or whether people don't, someone's got a story.

00:05:37.000 Someone's like, okay, I don't know if I believe, but this one time this happened.

00:05:41.000 And so the fact that everyone, pretty much no matter where you go, has some sort of story, even if they're skeptical, it makes you wonder, what if?

00:05:48.000 What else is out there?

00:05:49.000 Yeah, there's been countless of times where we'll go to these spots, and maybe after hearing the story, we don't think it's going to be special at all, but the person who owns the spot is like, I levitated last week.

00:06:00.000 Just staring us straight in the eyes, no hesitation, like, about it.

00:06:03.000 And, like, obviously, we've never experienced something that intense with the paranormal, but having dozens of people, like, every place we go to say that, it's like, how do you think they're all lying?

00:06:12.000 When someone says they levitate, just say, hey, next time, set up your iPhone.

00:06:15.000 Yeah, get that on camera.

00:06:17.000 How about film yourself levitating?

00:06:18.000 Exactly.

00:06:19.000 Exactly.

00:06:19.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:06:19.000 You always look at them and be like, are you sure?

00:06:22.000 Yeah, what kind of meds are you on while you're levitating?

00:06:22.000 Like, how?

00:06:25.000 Right, right.

00:06:25.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:06:26.000 Have you guys ever been to the comedy store?

00:06:28.000 No, but we were trying to.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, listen, I can set that up.

00:06:31.000 The Comedy Store is, without a doubt, haunted.

00:06:34.000 If there's a place that's haunted in the world, it's the Comedy Store.

00:06:38.000 Because it used to be a mob nightclub, and they've murdered people there.

00:06:43.000 That was Bugsy Siegel's nightclub.

00:06:43.000 100%.

00:06:46.000 It was called Zero's. 0.90

00:06:47.000 And in the 1950s...

00:06:49.000 Was it the 50s and the 60s?

00:06:51.000 Is that what it was?

00:06:52.000 It started in the 40s, actually.

00:06:53.000 In the 40s?

00:06:54.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 But it's a famous...

00:06:57.000 Old mob-run nightclub that Mitzi Shore took over in the 1970s.

00:07:02.000 So the place has this feel to it.

00:07:06.000 Like it's been run as an entertainment venue for 70 years or something crazy like that.

00:07:13.000 Isn't there a bunch of underground passageways around that too?

00:07:17.000 There was actually an article about this house on Crest Hill.

00:07:22.000 Here, Whitney Cummings sent it to me, so I'll send it to you, Jamie.

00:07:25.000 But I almost bought this house in the 1990s.

00:07:29.000 In the 1990s, they were selling this house that the Comedy Store owned right above the club.

00:07:37.000 Is it this one?

00:07:38.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:07:39.000 And that's the one that's connected to the Comedy Store?

00:07:41.000 Yes, there's supposedly a tunnel, because that's right above and to the left of the Comedy Club.

00:07:46.000 And that was also owned by Bugsy Siegel.

00:07:49.000 Stories from the comedians who inhabited Crest Hill, the house above the comedy store.

00:07:53.000 So that house was for sale.

00:07:56.000 The comedy store was selling it.

00:07:57.000 Mitzi was going to sell it. 0.99

00:07:59.000 But the problem is, if you go back to that photo, it's got like this tiny little bullshit yard. 0.99

00:08:04.000 And I have a dog. 0.98

00:08:04.000 Like, that's the yard. 0.98

00:08:05.000 I had a dog back then, too. 0.99

00:08:07.000 And I was like, I don't want to leave my dog in this bullshit yard. 0.99

00:08:11.000 Every place in LA. Yeah, my dog needed a yard. 0.99

00:08:14.000 And also, it's just too weird to be that close to the comedy store.

00:08:18.000 There were so many stalkers and freaks and have people just, you know, showing up at your house.

00:08:23.000 It's just right on the boulevard, right?

00:08:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:26.000 Crest Hill's right off the boulevard, but it's right there.

00:08:29.000 It's a two-minute walk from Sunset.

00:08:32.000 I've heard comedians like Bobby Lee in the past say that I think?

00:08:57.000 That could be it.

00:08:58.000 Bobby, it might be you.

00:09:00.000 I've never heard anybody say that before.

00:09:01.000 I can't work with you because you work at that haunted place.

00:09:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:05.000 They just don't want to be around that stuff.

00:09:07.000 Well, there are 100% are people that have stories, including multiple comedians, multiple managers at the place, waitresses at the place.

00:09:15.000 There's a lot of people that had stories of seeing weird things and meeting people that weren't there.

00:09:22.000 Have you ever had an experience like that?

00:09:24.000 I went down in the basement one day by myself.

00:09:24.000 No, I tried.

00:09:27.000 I walked into the main room by myself.

00:09:30.000 Carl LeBeau, who recently passed away, Carl had the weirdest story.

00:09:35.000 He got kicked out of his house.

00:09:37.000 He got in a fight with his wife and he got kicked out of his house and he went to the comedy store and decided he was going to sleep on the stage in the main room. 0.99

00:09:47.000 And he's like, man, I'm going to fucking make it. 0.97

00:09:50.000 I'm sleeping on this stage. 0.99

00:09:51.000 She's going to kick me out of the house, but one day I'll fucking show you. 1.00

00:09:55.000 And so he's drunk and he lays down on the stage and then he hears a door shut. 0.99

00:10:00.000 And the comedy store main room is pitch black, right?

00:10:04.000 So this is what it looks like.

00:10:06.000 But that's only when the lights are on.

00:10:08.000 So he's laying down and he hears a door shut.

00:10:12.000 And he goes, hey, it's Carl.

00:10:14.000 It's me, Carl.

00:10:16.000 Who is that? 0.99

00:10:17.000 And then he doesn't hear shit. 0.99

00:10:19.000 And then he hears chairs moving. 0.99

00:10:20.000 He hears like clink, clink, clink, clink.

00:10:23.000 And he's sitting there. 0.99

00:10:24.000 He's going, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

00:10:25.000 And something grabs his ankle and pulls him off the stage and onto the floor. 0.98

00:10:30.000 And then he hears chairs moving again.

00:10:33.000 And bam, the door shuts and slams and nothing else.

00:10:38.000 There was no one in the room. 0.98

00:10:39.000 He has no idea what the fuck happened. 0.96

00:10:41.000 But he told that story on stage one night. 0.99

00:10:43.000 It's like he set the tone.

00:10:45.000 It's like spooky lighting.

00:10:47.000 It was really cool.

00:10:48.000 Wait, so he got pulled by his ankle off of the stage.

00:10:51.000 Off the stage.

00:10:51.000 Multiple feet away.

00:10:52.000 Something grabbed him.

00:10:52.000 Yeah.

00:10:54.000 He didn't see anyone.

00:10:55.000 But something grabbed his ankle and pulled him off the stage and onto the floor.

00:10:59.000 That's when you want security footage.

00:11:02.000 Where's the cameras at?

00:11:03.000 There's no cameras in that place.

00:11:05.000 Maybe there is now, but there definitely wasn't back then.

00:11:10.000 So you guys started out, you weren't exploring haunted things.

00:11:14.000 You just started out like...

00:11:16.000 Doing, it was like abandoned things.

00:11:18.000 Yeah.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, we've had a long run at this.

00:11:20.000 I think we've been doing YouTube for like 10 years.

00:11:23.000 It's been a long time.

00:11:23.000 And it was abandoned, and then before that, it was like the trendy stuff.

00:11:27.000 And then even before that, we started in public disturbance, like just pranks and stuff.

00:11:30.000 So you started when you were in high school?

00:11:32.000 Yes, 17. Yeah, I was 16, like one month turning 17. So basically 17 we started.

00:11:38.000 And just for fun?

00:11:40.000 Just for fun.

00:11:41.000 Kind of.

00:11:42.000 A lot of it was also because we had a plan to become famous at the time because as 17-year-olds, it's a whole long story to it.

00:11:52.000 But as 17-year-olds, we just really wanted to do that.

00:11:55.000 It was a goal of ours because we had just become really, really good friends at the time.

00:12:00.000 After learning how to be confident, we were very shy kids in high school and learning how to be confident together, which again, we can get into that story if you'd like.

00:12:08.000 How did you learn how to be confident?

00:12:10.000 We're both originally from Kansas, Overland Park, Kansas.

00:12:13.000 We met in band camp when we were 14 years old.

00:12:17.000 That's where this story starts.

00:12:19.000 And you know that's like a horrible story when you started off like that.

00:12:22.000 But it was so bad to the point like we were just like super socially awkward and very anxious people.

00:12:27.000 Like a lot of people.

00:12:29.000 100%.

00:12:29.000 But it was so bad to the point where I had to carry around these Tums, the anti-acid pills, to just honestly pop before each time I would go into a new classroom.

00:12:39.000 And just in case I got called on, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't freaking out internally.

00:12:44.000 And so we bonded in band camp because we were both these shy kids that didn't know how to talk to anybody.

00:12:50.000 What did you play in band camp?

00:12:52.000 Well, we both did saxophone.

00:12:54.000 I played marching band clarinet.

00:12:56.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 And it was like something that our parents like made us do as well.

00:13:00.000 And so together you decided you were gonna figure out how to be confident.

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 Well, we were like, okay, both of us, you know, are sitting there awkwardly being like, okay, I like that girl.

00:13:11.000 You like that girl.

00:13:12.000 We both can't talk to her.

00:13:13.000 So how do we fix this problem?

00:13:15.000 And that was the epitome of our friendship.

00:13:17.000 That's very analytical.

00:13:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:19.000 Especially for being...

00:13:20.000 Because at that time, we were 15. This was before social media and stuff.

00:13:24.000 And so we just decided one day, we were like, why is Billy over there?

00:13:27.000 Why can't he talk to the hottest girls in the grade?

00:13:29.000 And we're over here like...

00:13:31.000 Crying in front of people, like, trying to talk and stuff.

00:13:33.000 It's not fair.

00:13:34.000 Well, there's an important lesson there, and it's a lesson of honesty.

00:13:37.000 Because some people want to pretend that they don't feel that way, and if you pretend you don't feel that way, but you really do, you're never going to fix it.

00:13:44.000 So if you try to play cool, then you're just, like, setting yourself up, and you're in a trap. 1.00

00:13:50.000 Because now you have to admit, somehow, down the line, that you were full of shit back then. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Instead of facing the problem. 1.00

00:13:55.000 Instead of facing the problem at 15 going, hey, why can't we talk to people?

00:13:58.000 What do we do?

00:14:00.000 Like, let's work this out.

00:14:01.000 And so what were the steps you took to work it out?

00:14:05.000 Sell your soul to the devil?

00:14:06.000 Pretty much, actually.

00:14:08.000 It ended up getting to that point.

00:14:09.000 And so here we are sitting right here.

00:14:12.000 No, it was really like, I mean, there wasn't that many things to do in Kansas besides exploring abandoned places and then going to the mall.

00:14:19.000 So we decided, okay, what's going to help us with confidence?

00:14:22.000 Let's go to the mall.

00:14:23.000 And Colby and I would literally like have my dad like this is before I had a car so my dad would drop us off at the mall and I told him come pick us up at clothes and me and Colby would go back and forth and give each other challenges we're like alright I'm gonna tell you to go do this really horribly embarrassing thing out in front of other people and you either do it or you do a hundred push-ups And then he'd say yes or no.

00:14:45.000 And I was like, okay, and then vice versa.

00:14:47.000 And we'd go back and forth.

00:14:48.000 And basically, the goal is just to put ourselves out of our comfort zone as much as humanly possible.

00:14:53.000 And again, I think the only reason we were able to make this work is because we had a brand new friendship.

00:14:58.000 And so there was part of me that I was like, I can't let this guy think I can't do this, you know what I mean?

00:15:02.000 And vice versa.

00:15:03.000 And so, yeah, we were just looking up YouTube videos.

00:15:07.000 Honestly like as embarrassing as it sounds like how to pick up girls how to talk to people like how to be more social and stuff like that And then we take the things that we learned and then we'd go to the mall and throw ourselves in like the most uncomfortable situations Just like get out of our comfort zone and like really take chances and like gross people.

00:15:22.000 That's actually very smart It's a that's the way to do it because people are terrified of those interactions with people that make you uncomfortable But if you just like seek them out over and over again you eventually Get comfortable being uncomfortable.

00:15:36.000 Get used to it.

00:15:37.000 Really smart.

00:15:38.000 Seeking failure and stuff like that.

00:15:40.000 If you are comfortable with failure, then you can do anything.

00:15:43.000 Because then you just keep failing, keep failing, keep failing until one day you succeed.

00:15:47.000 The problem with failure is a lot of times people let it define them.

00:15:51.000 They think of themselves as a failure because of not succeeding.

00:15:57.000 Instead of thinking yourself as a human being who's learning and growing, you think of yourself like, oh my god, I'm the guy who dropped the ball.

00:16:03.000 I'm the guy who crashed the car.

00:16:05.000 I'm the guy who did these things.

00:16:06.000 You think of yourself as a failure.

00:16:09.000 I'm the guy who flunked out of school.

00:16:11.000 I'm the guy who, you know, the girl broke up with me.

00:16:13.000 You start thinking of yourself as like a person who fails.

00:16:19.000 You don't think of failure as like, like if you're playing a game and you're learning a game, What you're doing is you're trying to figure out how to be successful, but you're still you, right?

00:16:30.000 You're still the same thing.

00:16:32.000 But when you fail enough times, it stains your brain and hurts your feelings so much that you can self-define.

00:16:40.000 And then you put parameters and boundaries up and you define yourself as a failure.

00:16:46.000 That's what's really dangerous for people.

00:16:48.000 That's why you gotta get back on the horse.

00:16:50.000 That's why people say, you fall off the horse, get back on the horse.

00:16:53.000 Which is terrible advice, by the way. 0.99

00:16:55.000 You fall off a horse, you might fucking die falling off the horse. 1.00

00:16:58.000 You might break your back a little bit. 1.00

00:16:59.000 Yeah, you can break your back.

00:17:00.000 But that's good that you guys decided to do that, because that's a really clever way to deal with the inevitable awkwardness that everybody has when they're young.

00:17:11.000 Especially in high school and especially being in Kansas.

00:17:14.000 We were in the suburbs of Kansas City, so we weren't in total cornfield type thing.

00:17:20.000 But we definitely were probably 10 minutes away from farmland and things like that.

00:17:24.000 So like Sam was saying, all there was to do out in Kansas were go to the mall on the weekends, or we had a bunch of abandoned places as well.

00:17:31.000 So that's how that ties into later in life.

00:17:34.000 Getting into that.

00:17:35.000 Luckily, you guys had YouTube.

00:17:37.000 Imagine growing up there in the 70s with no YouTube.

00:17:40.000 Right, right.

00:17:41.000 You don't get exposed to the rest of the world.

00:17:43.000 You have to travel somewhere to find different cultures and different ways that people communicate and just different life experiences.

00:17:50.000 Exactly.

00:17:51.000 Where we grew up was definitely a bubble.

00:17:53.000 Us starting to travel was the best thing ever for our personality and our understanding of the world.

00:18:00.000 Getting out of Kansas was like, you have to.

00:18:02.000 I talk for a living, but when I was younger, I was very awkward, and I really had a hard time talking to people, like, to the point where I'd get anxiety if I had to go to the bank, because I knew that I had to go to the bank teller, and I knew how to talk to the teller, and I can remember going, like, what am I fucking scared of?

00:18:16.000 Like, why is this bothering me so much?

00:18:18.000 But I was just scared to just talk to someone who's in a position of power or someone who's, you know, a position of authority.

00:18:26.000 It's weird now, can I think about it, because I'm so comfortable talking to people.

00:18:29.000 What's weird is I think so many people think that everyone cares.

00:18:33.000 But spotlight effect, like you are living your world.

00:18:37.000 Everyone's living their own world.

00:18:38.000 And so they think everything's about them.

00:18:39.000 Everyone's looking at them.

00:18:40.000 But in reality, everyone's focusing on themselves.

00:18:43.000 Everyone's focusing on their own.

00:18:44.000 People do care if you're weird.

00:18:45.000 Like if you're weirded out and you weird them out, like, oh my God, this guy's freaking out.

00:18:49.000 He can't even talk.

00:18:50.000 But if you're okay, they're okay.

00:18:52.000 It's like people feed off of other people's energy.

00:18:55.000 And it's also those situations where they might think you're weird in the moment.

00:18:59.000 But first of all, why would you want to be friends with that sort of person anyways if you just don't match up?

00:19:03.000 And then secondly, you just don't think about it anymore.

00:19:06.000 If you were to see somebody do something embarrassing or weird, it's not like you think about somebody else doing that all the time.

00:19:12.000 It's like...

00:19:13.000 You take account of it and then move on.

00:19:15.000 But in your own head, you're like your biggest critique.

00:19:17.000 You might think about that every single day.

00:19:19.000 As you're going to sleep like a hundred times.

00:19:21.000 People forgot about it and you carried around with you forever.

00:19:24.000 And that kills you.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, it does. 0.99

00:19:26.000 It really fucks young people up. 1.00

00:19:28.000 You could go the wrong way at an early age and have some bad experiences and those will define you for the rest of your life. 0.72

00:19:35.000 You'll be 35 years old thinking about something that went wrong when you were 16. And that's really common.

00:19:39.000 Yeah.

00:19:41.000 So you guys start out, you're doing these videos where you're just checking out abandoned places.

00:19:48.000 And what was the motive?

00:19:49.000 You wanted to be famous, and you're like, well, we'll start making YouTube videos.

00:19:54.000 So how does this get going?

00:19:56.000 So backing up just a little bit, after we learned how to be confident, we probably went to the mall when we were 15 for an entire year.

00:20:04.000 So it's like a year boot camp?

00:20:06.000 It was literally like a year of boot camp.

00:20:08.000 Social boot camp.

00:20:09.000 And we knew we were going to be best friends because this was when we truly bonded.

00:20:13.000 Nobody in high school would be down to go to the mall and be like, hey, you want to go talk to random people?

00:20:18.000 Everybody looked at us like, what are you doing?

00:20:18.000 Practice social skills?

00:20:20.000 Even our family at some points were like, what?

00:20:23.000 I don't understand this, but once we learned how to become confident, we felt like, and especially being 16, we felt like on top of the world, like we could do anything we wanted to.

00:20:32.000 And so being a 16-year-old mindset and having the social status of us being the band kids and just always wanted to fit in and be popular, We were just like, well, why don't we, you know, YOLO, you only live once, as cheesy as that is.

00:20:46.000 It's like, why don't we try to become famous in real life?

00:20:49.000 And so we started with Vine.

00:20:51.000 We started with Vine, actually, the six-second videos for a while until it died and then ended up transitioning over to...

00:20:57.000 You remember Vine?

00:20:58.000 I do remember Vine.

00:21:00.000 Didn't Elon Musk talk about, doesn't, like, Twitter own Vine?

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 They talked about bringing it back, but I don't think they've worked on it in 10 years, so it's 10-year-old technology.

00:21:08.000 And TikTok took over.

00:21:10.000 It's all TikTok now.

00:21:11.000 It's Chinese spyware. 1.00

00:21:13.000 They're literally getting your fucking passwords and your location 24-7. 1.00

00:21:18.000 It's terrifying what they can do. 0.99

00:21:20.000 It's weird that everybody's just like, whatever!

00:21:20.000 It's weird.

00:21:23.000 It's so addicting.

00:21:24.000 They're like, I can't give the stuff out of my day.

00:21:26.000 It's hugely addicting.

00:21:27.000 So you guys start out with these vines, and what were the vines about?

00:21:31.000 So the vines were basically what we were doing as our experiments and challenges that we were doing the last year.

00:21:38.000 So it was all public pranks and disturbances.

00:21:40.000 We would get on top of the food court, lunch tables, and do a lightsaber battle.

00:21:44.000 Or we'd get together and do a flash mob.

00:21:48.000 But then, sadly, we got kicked out of the mall.

00:21:51.000 We got banned from the mall.

00:21:52.000 Oh, banned from your training ground.

00:21:54.000 It was really sad.

00:21:55.000 We can't even come back now.

00:21:55.000 You got banned from the mall?

00:21:57.000 Really?

00:21:58.000 We're now 26 and we are still banned from the mall.

00:22:01.000 We keep coming back and they're like, get out of here.

00:22:04.000 Really?

00:22:04.000 You're banned for life?

00:22:05.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 We took, you know how like every single mall has like a seating area like every once in a while or whatever?

00:22:11.000 Or like the dads like sit on there for a while?

00:22:13.000 We ended up like taking one of these couches and like putting it on an escalator and just like riding it up.

00:22:18.000 And then just we put it back down and that's it.

00:22:21.000 And we were just in for a really quick video.

00:22:23.000 They just thought we were like stealing the couch and so they sent us like super serious emails like you can never come back.

00:22:29.000 Sign this.

00:22:30.000 Well this was like the 18th straw after like Flash mobs and, you know, singing in the courtrooms and stuff like that.

00:22:30.000 Ever.

00:22:38.000 Like, they're like, alright, you guys just gotta get out of here.

00:22:39.000 We're done with your shenanigans.

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:41.000 Well, it served its purpose.

00:22:43.000 It did.

00:22:43.000 Yeah.

00:22:44.000 And so we were like, okay, well, now we can't go to the mall.

00:22:44.000 It did.

00:22:47.000 What's the natural next step?

00:22:49.000 And it's like, we were about to graduate high school.

00:22:51.000 And so we heard about all the people out in L.A., all the collaborators.

00:22:55.000 And I don't know if you remember, but there is this, like, massive apartment building with all the Viners that were all collabing together. 1.00

00:23:02.000 And we're like, Maybe we should go out to LA. So I took a trip out there just for like a week and said, okay, is this the spot to go?

00:23:08.000 And we got back and asked our parents, like, hey, can we just not go to college and, you know, pursue this thing full time?

00:23:14.000 And they were like, well, like, why?

00:23:17.000 Like, no, like, why don't you do this?

00:23:19.000 But then, you know, after talking with them, they're like, okay.

00:23:22.000 Main thing, we want you guys to be okay in the financial world or whatever.

00:23:26.000 So as long as you can prove to us that you can make money.

00:23:28.000 They set a goal of, I think it was like $20,000.

00:23:31.000 If you guys can make $20,000 before you graduate, you can move out and give a year of college.

00:23:35.000 And we're like, alright, let's hit the ground running.

00:23:38.000 And we just played the whole...

00:23:40.000 We're doing a gap year sort of thing on them.

00:23:42.000 We were just like, listen, mom, if I fail, I'll go to KU next year.

00:23:46.000 Already accepted, so let's just try it or whatever.

00:23:49.000 And plus, they had seen this whole journey.

00:23:52.000 They saw our friendship.

00:23:53.000 They saw that we had something going on with the way we were thinking about stuff.

00:23:57.000 And so I think they were just like, we can't really control them.

00:24:00.000 Again, a mom just wants you to be financially secure. 0.52

00:24:04.000 And so as soon as we were able to prove that, They didn't care.

00:24:07.000 So this was, you guys were still in high school.

00:24:10.000 Still in high school.

00:24:11.000 And how many followers did you have on social media?

00:24:14.000 300k?

00:24:15.000 Yeah, maybe like 300,000.

00:24:16.000 Well, 300,000's real.

00:24:18.000 That's a real number.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.000 So you were getting some traction.

00:24:22.000 It was like on the cusp of like, you know, LA rent is a lot.

00:24:27.000 And so like when we were thinking about it, $3,000, $5,000 to survive out in LA per month, we're like, I don't know if we can actually make that on Vine.

00:24:34.000 What do you make on Vine?

00:24:36.000 How did you make money at all on Vine?

00:24:38.000 Vine didn't have a monetization platform.

00:24:38.000 Nothing.

00:24:40.000 So it was like so difficult to make money.

00:24:42.000 And so we do things like live streaming or every once in a while we get brand deals.

00:24:47.000 But a lot of our income came from touring.

00:24:49.000 So we didn't really have an onstage talent, but we knew that was where the money was.

00:24:54.000 And so we're like, alright, let's get our names out there by going on tour.

00:24:59.000 And two, make some money to be able to move out to LA. And so we'd host shows.

00:25:03.000 We'd be like the MC. And in between acts, we'd come out, say a stupid story, and then introduce the next act. 0.99

00:25:09.000 What kind of shows? 0.97

00:25:11.000 There were, like, social media shows where it's just, like, most talent there were, like, singers.

00:25:16.000 But it was honestly just, like, a meet-and-greet for guys, like, to be honest.

00:25:20.000 Like, a bunch of girls would come to—literally the first one ever was called MagCon.

00:25:24.000 And it's just, like, all these girls would just come and, like, meet their favorite YouTubers, meet their favorite Viners, whatever. 0.50

00:25:29.000 And so we'd host that.

00:25:30.000 Oh, okay, so these YouTubers and Viners would just— Whatever they did, whether they played guitar or something. 0.98

00:25:36.000 They did something so they could do it publicly, but people were just there to see them because they were the person from YouTube.

00:25:41.000 Pretty much, yeah.

00:25:42.000 And meet them and take pictures and stuff like that.

00:25:44.000 Right.

00:25:44.000 And so you guys did that for money for a while.

00:25:47.000 Luckily, that ended up working out.

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 We didn't get our entire goal, but our family was like, all right, you guys are making money.

00:25:54.000 Why not?

00:25:55.000 So three days after our high school graduation, we took the road out to Los Angeles without a plan.

00:26:00.000 We didn't know where we were going to stay.

00:26:02.000 We didn't have an apartment.

00:26:03.000 We had like one friend out there.

00:26:05.000 And we were just like, let's make this happen.

00:26:07.000 However possible, we're going to make it happen.

00:26:09.000 Did you find the Vine apartment building?

00:26:12.000 The next year we did.

00:26:13.000 We ended up living there like the next year.

00:26:16.000 But it took a long time because that one was one of the most expensive apartment buildings in Hollywood.

00:26:21.000 So we spent a year saving up.

00:26:24.000 We were the most stingy people ever.

00:26:26.000 Our friends would want to go out for pizza, and we would eat before.

00:26:30.000 And we're like, yeah, we're done to go out, but we'll just sit there with our cup of water because we want to save the 20 bucks.

00:26:33.000 All of our furniture was from the dumpster.

00:26:35.000 We'd just throw like...

00:26:37.000 Covers over everything, and we were just living very, very, like, we can't spend any money whatsoever.

00:26:43.000 We only had one car out there, so it was just grind mode.

00:26:45.000 As soon as we got out there, the difference between us and a lot of social media kids that do try to make the journey to LA is we knew we had to prove ourselves, and we knew we had a year tops, and so we were doing everything we could to be entrepreneurs and start side businesses and stuff like that, come out with merch,

00:27:02.000 just anything we could do to generate revenue.

00:27:04.000 So it starts out with, you start doing these Vines, and then you move to YouTube, and was it immediately the abandoned building thing, or did you do other stuff?

00:27:13.000 We did YouTube, like trendy stuff, like challenges or whatever.

00:27:18.000 Which we hated.

00:27:18.000 The question and answer stuff, which we hated, yeah, for like two or three years.

00:27:21.000 It was actually when Vine died that we realized, oh no, like we need to figure something out.

00:27:27.000 How many subscribers or followers did you have before it died?

00:27:32.000 On Vine, yeah, 1.7 million.

00:27:34.000 Oh, it was happening.

00:27:35.000 Yeah, it started again.

00:27:36.000 It was getting there, getting there.

00:27:37.000 But no money, no monetization.

00:27:39.000 So we were like, we have to move this over to YouTube so we can set up AdSense and stuff.

00:27:43.000 But the difference between a six-second video and a 10-minute long video is a whole different audience.

00:27:47.000 Well, how about what you're doing now?

00:27:49.000 Exactly.

00:27:49.000 I mean, you guys are doing like little mini documentaries now.

00:27:52.000 Exactly.

00:27:52.000 So, yeah, the fact that we started on six-second videos and now we do like 60-minute long videos is very different.

00:27:58.000 It's kind of funny.

00:27:59.000 It's so weird.

00:27:59.000 Yeah, but it seems natural.

00:28:01.000 Like, when you guys do it, it seems natural.

00:28:04.000 I told you my daughter's obsessed with you, and that's how I found out about it.

00:28:06.000 She forced me to watch these videos.

00:28:08.000 Forced.

00:28:09.000 Well, she did.

00:28:09.000 She's like, you gotta see, you gotta see.

00:28:10.000 She loves ghosts.

00:28:12.000 She's, like, fascinated by, like, horror movies and ghosts, which is, I wonder if it's genetic.

00:28:18.000 I was into that.

00:28:19.000 I was into that in a huge way.

00:28:20.000 I mean, you see the American World of London out there. 0.99

00:28:22.000 I mean, I've always been into horror movies and shit. 0.96

00:28:24.000 I'm like, is this like, did I get it in her genes somehow or another? 0.97

00:28:27.000 Because she's also an artist, too, which I used to do when I was younger.

00:28:31.000 How old is she? 0.98

00:28:31.000 She's 12. Okay, gotcha. 0.98

00:28:33.000 So she tells me about it, and then she makes me watch a bunch of the videos, and I'm like, how do these guys get started?

00:28:39.000 Like, how does this happen where you get to the point where now you're ghost investigators?

00:28:45.000 What's crazy is, like, we never envisioned ourselves to do that.

00:28:49.000 Like, we had a really, like, deep-seated interest in, like, the abandon.

00:28:54.000 And, like, you know, that was the only thing to do in Kansas.

00:28:56.000 So we, like, spent most of our friendship in high school exploring abandoned places or creepy buildings or haunted houses.

00:29:02.000 And so were you—these abandoned buildings, were you, like, going over the history of this place?

00:29:05.000 Like, this used to be a factory or this used to be a school or— Back in the Abandoned days, it was different.

00:29:12.000 Again, we were trying to find ourselves on YouTube.

00:29:14.000 And so the best thing for us was just to be like genuinely excited about something because we'd be doing these couch videos, doing these challenges and just hating what we were filming.

00:29:22.000 And so just capturing like so a lot of like what was already existing on YouTube at that time with Abandoned was like more documentary style where people would like Start their video inside the place and then just have like a very slow paced like this is what it's all about and then goodbye.

00:29:40.000 But what Sam and I wanted to do was like film the adrenaline side of it like film us running up to the place hiding from the guards like hiding from police.

00:29:47.000 We don't break into these places.

00:29:49.000 We don't like vandalize anything but like sneak again like all like the adventure part of it.

00:29:53.000 So we're yeah more adventure less like history of it.

00:29:56.000 Yeah.

00:29:56.000 When we started.

00:29:57.000 Did you guys get in trouble from any of these?

00:29:59.000 I mean, a lot.

00:30:00.000 Like, well, and even in Kansas, like, when we first started, what we realized is, you know, being young-looking kids that are doing this and, like, we kind of got better and better at it, like, we figured out, okay, we can talk our way out of the cops, like, every once in a while.

00:30:13.000 And that definitely happened.

00:30:14.000 And I think at that point, we were just like, we find it so much more interesting to have that, like, sort of fear of we will get caught.

00:30:21.000 Because no one else is doing that.

00:30:23.000 Imagine seeing someone actually putting crime online.

00:30:28.000 Minor crime.

00:30:30.000 Minor bad people.

00:30:31.000 A little bit of trespassing.

00:30:33.000 But we got arrested eventually.

00:30:35.000 Did you?

00:30:36.000 Where did you guys get arrested?

00:30:37.000 Tampa, Florida.

00:30:38.000 Oh boy.

00:30:39.000 Which is our first mistake.

00:30:41.000 Did you get thrown into the hooch?

00:30:43.000 Like into the lockdown with everybody?

00:30:45.000 He did.

00:30:46.000 I did for 24 hours.

00:30:47.000 Sam didn't. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Because this is so stupid. 1.00

00:30:50.000 You got locked in for 24 hours? 1.00

00:30:51.000 Like a little less than that.

00:30:53.000 Probably like 20 hours or so.

00:30:54.000 But I had to stay overnight in the jail while Sam was able to like bail himself out.

00:30:58.000 But pretty much...

00:30:59.000 We did a lot of like, you know, we did a lot of trespassing or whatever.

00:31:02.000 But trespassing is not...

00:31:04.000 It's usually like a fine.

00:31:05.000 Like, you know, 75 bucks or something like that.

00:31:07.000 Depending on the state.

00:31:08.000 But sadly, this particular location was under construction, and apparently construction properties are government properties.

00:31:08.000 That's it.

00:31:16.000 In Florida.

00:31:17.000 In Florida.

00:31:18.000 And so they charged us with a felony.

00:31:20.000 Ooh, boy.

00:31:20.000 A felony.

00:31:22.000 And it was really strange because when we got arrested, there was like eight cops that showed up to the scene with dogs and everything.

00:31:28.000 That's why we got out of the place, by the way.

00:31:33.000 The deputies were super nice to us.

00:31:35.000 It was the sheriff that was like, oh, these are YouTubers. 0.99

00:31:37.000 We have to make an example out of them.

00:31:39.000 And I had two fake IDs from when I was 20 trying to get into the bars still stuck in my wallet. 1.00

00:31:45.000 Super stupid. 0.99

00:31:46.000 No reason for that at all. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Just a dumb move. 0.93

00:31:48.000 And so I had three felonies. 0.97

00:31:50.000 And it made me not able to bail myself out.

00:31:54.000 They cap it at like 5,000.

00:31:56.000 And each felony is 2,000 bail.

00:31:59.000 And so I had 6,000.

00:32:01.000 So I had to wait for Sam to bail himself out so he could bail me out.

00:32:04.000 So I got taken back.

00:32:07.000 Felonies.

00:32:08.000 So how did it play out?

00:32:10.000 Did it get dropped?

00:32:11.000 I ended up bailing myself out.

00:32:13.000 So I think I was only in there for like seven, eight hours.

00:32:16.000 And then I went to go work on his bail outside.

00:32:18.000 But you had a horrible time.

00:32:20.000 I had a great time in jail.

00:32:21.000 Did you have fun?

00:32:22.000 It was sick.

00:32:23.000 Really?

00:32:24.000 I wasn't expecting it to be like, A good experience.

00:32:28.000 But, yeah, it's funny because, like, we arrive and, oh my gosh, all, like, our viewers and stuff make fun of us for this.

00:32:35.000 But that day, like, I decided randomly just to, like, rock, like, a Justin Bieber merch shirt.

00:32:40.000 And so I'm, like, coming in here looking like a...

00:32:42.000 Teeny bop, like emo kid, like a Justin Bieber shirt, like piercings and stuff like that.

00:32:46.000 And like everybody's just like turning their heads and I'm like, oh, this is when I die.

00:32:50.000 Like I'm gonna die here.

00:32:51.000 But they took out like all my piercings and stuff like that, said goodbye to Sam, like we were in like a big waiting room.

00:32:57.000 And so when they brought me to the back, the first night was, I only stayed there for one night, but like that night was super scary.

00:33:04.000 But for the rest of the time, like, long story short, like I got moved to another pod, like a felon pod because I had three under my name.

00:33:14.000 And I asked the deputy, he was super nice, and he could see that I was uncomfortable being there, of course, and I was just like, what should I do?

00:33:20.000 And he said, dude, honestly, I would just go grab a book, go to your cell, and just lay low.

00:33:25.000 Sam's gonna bail you out very soon.

00:33:26.000 I said, okay, that sounds like a plan.

00:33:28.000 So I didn't talk to anybody.

00:33:29.000 I was trying to mean mug and be serious the entire time.

00:33:33.000 Grabbed a book, went to my cell and just stayed in there.

00:33:36.000 And then 20 minutes later, I'm reading my book.

00:33:38.000 I hear the door start to jiggle.

00:33:41.000 And I'm like, okay, this is when I die.

00:33:43.000 I'm about to meet my cellmate.

00:33:45.000 He comes in, super scary looking guy.

00:33:48.000 I'm like...

00:33:49.000 Freaked out at first, but he just turned out to be the nicest guy ever.

00:33:53.000 Like, he was like, what are you in for?

00:33:54.000 He's like, this is what I'm doing.

00:33:56.000 And, like, he asked about YouTube and told him, like, why, like, we do what we do and all that stuff.

00:34:00.000 I'm in for murder. 0.99

00:34:01.000 I killed my wife.

00:34:03.000 What was he in for?

00:34:04.000 He said it was, like, it was something with, like, drug smuggling cocaine somewhere.

00:34:08.000 Oh, jeez.

00:34:09.000 It was something like that.

00:34:10.000 Real crime.

00:34:10.000 And it was, like, I trespassed.

00:34:11.000 I trespassed for you, too.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, it's like...

00:34:14.000 That's why I didn't want to, like, say anything about it. 0.99

00:34:17.000 I was like, these guys are going to think I'm, like, the biggest pussy in the world. 1.00

00:34:19.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:34:21.000 That's probably better, though.

00:34:22.000 That way, you know, they don't think you're a threat.

00:34:24.000 Oh, for sure. 0.99

00:34:25.000 But we had a conversation for literally, like, an hour and, like, shot the shit and he... 1.00

00:34:25.000 For sure. 1.00

00:34:30.000 You know, broke down each other's walls and stuff and he was becoming like a friend, actually.

00:34:34.000 And then he was like, well, I'm gonna go back out to the pod because there's like a main area where everybody can like hang out where there's like basketball and places you can watch TV and stuff like that.

00:34:43.000 And I was like, okay, I'm probably just gonna chill here.

00:34:45.000 And he was like, no, no, you should really come with me.

00:34:47.000 Like, I have a lot of friends in here.

00:34:49.000 I've been in here for, like, a few months.

00:34:51.000 And so I was like, alright, okay, why not?

00:34:55.000 And so this guy, I just took a chance with this situation, but this guy, like, took me under his wing, like, introduced me to, like, all of his friends in jail, and we played, like, basketball.

00:35:05.000 Made a friend group in jail.

00:35:07.000 Literally.

00:35:07.000 Like, they were all asking about, like, YouTube and...

00:35:10.000 All that stuff.

00:35:11.000 And then Sam bailed me out, like, three hours later.

00:35:13.000 Did you stay in touch with him at all?

00:35:15.000 No, no.

00:35:15.000 I told him to DM me afterwards, but of course, like, just couldn't find it.

00:35:20.000 I mean, I don't even know how long he was...

00:35:22.000 Because we were in jail, not, like, prison.

00:35:24.000 And so he was still awaiting his trial, because he couldn't even, like, bail himself out.

00:35:28.000 So who knows if he even got...

00:35:30.000 Even more time.

00:35:31.000 Like, I don't even know.

00:35:32.000 It sounds like it.

00:35:34.000 Probably.

00:35:34.000 If he's selling cocaine.

00:35:35.000 Yeah, or like carrying large amounts.

00:35:37.000 I don't even know.

00:35:37.000 But yeah, haven't heard from him.

00:35:39.000 Absolutely crazy, though, is that morning, like, we had no idea.

00:35:42.000 We're like, all right, this is just a casual day.

00:35:44.000 We always do these, like, abandoned videos and then we'll just work on editing them or whatever.

00:35:49.000 Anyway, I walk out.

00:35:50.000 I don't have my phone because they take all that stuff.

00:35:52.000 And our buddy, who is going to help us drive us home or whatever, he comes in.

00:35:57.000 He's like, do you know what's going on?

00:35:59.000 We're like, no.

00:36:00.000 He's like, for the past 12 hours, you guys have been number one worldwide trending.

00:36:06.000 Free Sam and Colby.

00:36:07.000 Huge.

00:36:07.000 You guys are everywhere.

00:36:08.000 Huge.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, I'm walking out.

00:36:10.000 Sorry to interrupt, but the deputy's bringing me up and being like, Sam finally bailed you out.

00:36:14.000 He was like, but what's your name, by the way?

00:36:16.000 And I was like, Cole Brock.

00:36:17.000 And he was just like, I've had thousands.

00:36:20.000 Of girls call this jail to try to bail you out. 1.00

00:36:23.000 I was like, wait, what?

00:36:24.000 And then as I'm leaving, there's fans outside.

00:36:27.000 It's like a meet and greet outside, like fans waiting for me.

00:36:29.000 How many fans?

00:36:30.000 It was like three or four.

00:36:32.000 So it wasn't like a huge thing, but it was people that figured out Where the jail was itself and all that.

00:36:38.000 A lot of people were calling, but it was so interesting because we never would have thought that that was going to be the big start.

00:36:45.000 But from that night and getting arrested, it completely blew up and changed our career.

00:36:51.000 It was so weird.

00:36:52.000 And in terms of numbers, just so you know, like we were getting on the abandoned videos, like a little less than a million.

00:36:57.000 So like 700, 800 K, which we were very happy with.

00:37:00.000 But after we got arrested, we knew we couldn't do like the illegal stuff anymore.

00:37:04.000 And so, um, Well, during the Abandoned Days, and we can get to the story in a second, but we went to the Queen Mary and had our first haunted experience ever.

00:37:12.000 And so it just made sense to us that, well, this is a legal thing.

00:37:16.000 We could just do at hotels and stuff.

00:37:17.000 Why not just do the haunted instead?

00:37:20.000 How much did the numbers change?

00:37:22.000 Up to like two million.

00:37:25.000 Three to four million like the first one and then they just kept growing from there.

00:37:28.000 So millions after.

00:37:29.000 So tell me about the Queen Mary.

00:37:31.000 That's the beginning for you guys.

00:37:33.000 That's the number one origin.

00:37:34.000 You went there to do what?

00:37:36.000 So what was really interesting is we did a lot of the abandoned stuff, but every once in a while we would do like a haunted thing because those creepy stories and, you know, the lore of everything is really interesting, whether or not you believe it or not.

00:37:49.000 At that time we didn't really believe in any of the ghost stuff.

00:37:52.000 We're like, all right, this is going to be a great video because everyone loves telling the stories.

00:37:56.000 But we just got, I don't know what it was, but someone forwarded us something saying that for the first time in 30 years, The Queen Mary in Long Beach, which is like one of the most haunted ships, like New York Times, like top 10 most haunted places in the world.

00:38:10.000 We filmed Fear Factor there once.

00:38:12.000 Really?

00:38:12.000 Yeah.

00:38:13.000 It's a beautiful ship.

00:38:13.000 That's great.

00:38:14.000 They do a comedy show there sometimes.

00:38:16.000 No way.

00:38:17.000 Yeah, for a while they had a regular comedy night there on the Queen Mary.

00:38:20.000 Yeah, I didn't realize how famous it was, but they have that.

00:38:23.000 They have haunted houses.

00:38:24.000 They have a ton of different attractions there.

00:38:26.000 But there's this one room, B340, that hadn't been open for 30 years, and allegedly they closed it down because there's multiple unexplained murders and or suicides in that room.

00:38:40.000 And we're like, whoa, like, you know, this is the first week this is open after 30 years.

00:38:44.000 This is going to be an amazing story to tell or, you know, video film.

00:38:47.000 And so we went in there trying to make something or like trying to get something.

00:38:51.000 We obviously didn't really believe that much.

00:38:53.000 So we're like, all right, let's just see if it happens.

00:38:55.000 If there's going to be a haunted location, it will be this.

00:38:59.000 We toured around, did the whole thing, weren't getting much.

00:39:03.000 And we were kind of frustrated at that point because we're like, all right, this is supposed to be the cream of the crop.

00:39:06.000 This is supposed to be the big wig. 0.63

00:39:08.000 Like, why can't we get something to happen?

00:39:10.000 And so it was four o'clock in the morning at this time.

00:39:14.000 We've been trying for hours of just sitting in circles, like asking out.

00:39:17.000 And we didn't have any equipment at this time.

00:39:19.000 This is like the first place we ever went to.

00:39:21.000 So we were just like...

00:39:22.000 Meandering, like, the hallways being like, is anything here?

00:39:25.000 Yeah, like, just trying to get something to happen on camera.

00:39:28.000 And nothing was happening.

00:39:30.000 And so we're like, fine, I guess, let's do this.

00:39:33.000 Let's just, like, leave.

00:39:34.000 Like, it's fun to tell the story.

00:39:35.000 Let's just leave.

00:39:36.000 And so we turn off the camera and start packing up.

00:39:39.000 We start walking towards the door.

00:39:40.000 And as soon as we turn, like, actually we're about to, like, Get out of the room, the faucet turns on, full blast for four seconds, and then turns back off.

00:39:49.000 And we all actually freeze and freak out.

00:39:52.000 Two of our roommates that were there at the time just immediately started crying.

00:39:55.000 We ran in, we were like, okay, how is that actually possible at all?

00:39:59.000 Maybe that's a sign of it doesn't want to be filmed, and it doesn't want us to leave.

00:40:04.000 So maybe let's just not film this and try one more time, just for the heck of it.

00:40:08.000 And so that's what we did.

00:40:10.000 But this time it worked.

00:40:12.000 And to, like, the weirdest extent, we just, like, put away all of our cameras.

00:40:17.000 We sat in the most serious tone saying, like, okay, guys, like, before this, didn't really believe.

00:40:22.000 So, like, if this is happening, let's have something happen.

00:40:25.000 And so we all sit in the dark together, and we start calling out questions.

00:40:28.000 And we're like, okay, like, is there anybody here?

00:40:31.000 And we hear a knock.

00:40:33.000 And so we're like, okay, maybe that's something.

00:40:35.000 Very faint, though.

00:40:36.000 It was like a tap.

00:40:37.000 Like a tap.

00:40:37.000 And so we're like, okay, let's just run with that.

00:40:39.000 Can you tap more than once?

00:40:41.000 And there was like three taps.

00:40:42.000 We're like, okay, this is really weird.

00:40:45.000 Like, can we start asking questions?

00:40:47.000 And how loud are you saying this?

00:40:49.000 Like, is it possible that someone could have heard you from another room?

00:40:51.000 That's what we thought.

00:40:52.000 So going, like, we were talking probably like this, but then there was times where we were talking like really quiet.

00:40:58.000 We tested everything.

00:41:00.000 So what we did is we decided let's ask questions using these taps.

00:41:04.000 So we said tap once for yes, tap anything more than once for no.

00:41:10.000 We had a yes or no conversation for 35 minutes with something that we cannot explain.

00:41:16.000 And we did everything because we were skeptical at this point.

00:41:19.000 Did you film any of this?

00:41:20.000 We didn't think so.

00:41:22.000 But apparently, one of our friends, he's like super religious, was like, hey, no matter what, the entire night, he was keeping an audio recording in his pocket.

00:41:30.000 We had no idea.

00:41:30.000 We had no idea that he was doing that.

00:41:32.000 So nobody talked about it, so if there was something there, it didn't know either.

00:41:36.000 Yeah, we had no idea he had pulled that out.

00:41:38.000 We genuinely were like, okay, no one's filming.

00:41:40.000 We even say in this audio recording, no one's filming. 0.92

00:41:43.000 There's no bullshit.

00:41:44.000 Everyone, please be serious about this. 0.80

00:41:47.000 And so we had this conversation back and forth, and we tried to trick it.

00:41:50.000 We would ask questions in different manners like, okay, is there more than one of you?

00:41:55.000 Yes.

00:41:55.000 And then we'd say, are you alone?

00:41:57.000 And it would say no.

00:41:58.000 Back and forth, trying to get this thing.

00:42:00.000 And the story kept straight the entire time.

00:42:02.000 And we were like, okay, come on.

00:42:04.000 There could be someone screwing with us.

00:42:05.000 This is on the news of being a haunted place.

00:42:09.000 What's going on?

00:42:09.000 What was crazy about it, too, is all the knocks, they weren't just coming from one section.

00:42:14.000 That would make sense if maybe something outside.

00:42:16.000 Was like tapping.

00:42:18.000 These knocks would be like below us and then above us to our sides.

00:42:23.000 Some would be louder than other ones.

00:42:24.000 We went out to the hallway a couple times and we realized that we were like the last room besides like this like utility room to our left.

00:42:33.000 And obviously we had like basically that whole like floor to ourselves as well since it was super late.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, and then sometime in the middle we were like, okay, let's ask a question under our breath.

00:42:45.000 Like, okay, this thing does not want us to leave.

00:42:51.000 And at that moment, the entire floor shook.

00:42:54.000 Boom! 0.99

00:42:55.000 We were all like, oh my god, what was that?

00:42:57.000 You could feel the vibration in your feet.

00:42:59.000 Crashing on the ship or something.

00:43:00.000 It was huge.

00:43:01.000 And so we're like, okay, so this thing doesn't want us to leave, and maybe we should just, like, ask questions under our breath for the rest of the time, just so we know it's not some employee, it's not someone, like, screwing with us the entire time.

00:43:11.000 So fast forward to the very end, we were like, okay, we've had a bunch of conversations.

00:43:17.000 At this point, we really believe if this is truly something, I want to know something about something deeper than just yes or no questions or just, like, something silly of, like, how many people are here.

00:43:27.000 So I decided...

00:43:30.000 Let's ask about religion.

00:43:32.000 And I ask out, is there a heaven?

00:43:36.000 And it knocks three times, meaning no.

00:43:39.000 And at that point, our two religious friends that were there, like, immediately jumped up and said, we have to leave right now.

00:43:45.000 We had no idea why.

00:43:46.000 Why?

00:43:46.000 What's going on?

00:43:47.000 Like, I'll tell you in the car, like, just don't look back.

00:43:49.000 Let's go.

00:43:50.000 Let's leave.

00:43:50.000 And so we walked out.

00:43:51.000 We left.

00:43:52.000 We got all the way to the car without anyone saying anything.

00:43:54.000 And as soon as we got in the car, we're like, what's going on?

00:43:56.000 Like, why do we have to leave?

00:43:57.000 He's like, well, in the Christian religion, anything demonic or evil is supposed to basically disprove that there is a heaven.

00:44:10.000 And so what they're saying is like, we don't think this is some like spirit or something paranormal there.

00:44:15.000 We think it was something that was trying to lead you away from heaven or Christianity. 0.96

00:44:20.000 Demonic territory type thing.

00:44:21.000 But that also just depends on what you believe in.

00:44:24.000 Obviously, like our roommates were very, very Christian, very religious.

00:44:27.000 And so when they heard the Knox saying no, they thought it was just kind of like, A sign from, like, a demon to, like, steer us away from God.

00:44:35.000 Saying, like, this does not exist.

00:44:37.000 And so they, without question, ran before we could even...

00:44:40.000 Like, we kind of were wanting to stay there to ask more things.

00:44:43.000 It was really interesting.

00:44:45.000 Because this is your first experience with anything paranormal.

00:44:48.000 Well, first very believable one.

00:44:51.000 There has been plenty of times where we hear things or, like, you know, things are scary.

00:44:56.000 In like the abandoned places, but they're also decrepit old places that creak and stuff.

00:45:00.000 Yeah, old dark places make you freak out.

00:45:03.000 Exactly.

00:45:04.000 This is the first conversation we should say that we've had.

00:45:07.000 So...

00:45:08.000 Up until that point, did you believe in ghosts before?

00:45:12.000 And, like, what is the feeling like when you have to sort of process the end of that day?

00:45:16.000 So, that was a monumental change in not only, like, our career, but also, like, at least my, like, thought process in life.

00:45:24.000 Because, yes, I had the idea that maybe something else is out there.

00:45:28.000 Like, I'd grown up a Christian.

00:45:31.000 But at that time, we'd gone to so many scary places.

00:45:34.000 We'd, you know, tackled a bunch of, like, life questions, philosophical questions throughout our time together, and we were like, okay, like, after asking about it, like, for me, I was, like, losing, like, faith in something else.

00:45:44.000 I was like, okay, maybe we're just the only things out here.

00:45:48.000 And after that moment, I had, like, a full-on, like, breakdown the next day.

00:45:53.000 Like, I, like, I was, like, everything that I had thought was not real now becomes real.

00:45:58.000 And I had, like, pretty much lost any sort of, like, faith at that point.

00:46:03.000 But there is even a video of me online, like, sitting on my bedroom floor, like, crying to camera saying, like, I truly didn't believe.

00:46:09.000 And now this instance opens up this whole world.

00:46:12.000 Like, maybe I don't immediately believe 100%.

00:46:15.000 But the question of if there's something else out there is now back in my brain and I want to chase that.

00:46:21.000 And so after the whole arrest and going to the haunted stuff that was like it wasn't necessarily we were like a thousand percent believers the second we like had this experience.

00:46:30.000 But it was so intriguing because it was one of those things that we couldn't explain.

00:46:33.000 We told this story so many times and the audio of this actually happening in the Knox is online.

00:46:39.000 Yeah.

00:46:44.000 Yeah.

00:46:46.000 Yeah.

00:46:49.000 Just the idea that it could be real and the idea that it could happen again is what's so intriguing and is why we got into it.

00:46:56.000 We're like, okay, if we can just keep doing this and keep getting more and more proof, that feeling of hope of like, okay, there is something else out there.

00:47:03.000 And it is not just, okay, we're just going to live and die here on the planet.

00:47:07.000 No matter what you believe in, no matter what religion you have, it's like... 0.72

00:47:07.000 It's so special. 0.72

00:47:10.000 We realized that that experience for us, it taught us that there is something else.

00:47:15.000 It's more spiritual than anything.

00:47:18.000 And we wanted to spread that message as well to as many people as possible, again, no matter what they believed in.

00:47:25.000 But your roommates thought it was demonic.

00:47:27.000 They took the Christian route. 0.56

00:47:29.000 Again, that's up to whoever is viewing this or experiencing it themselves.

00:47:34.000 But yeah, they took it very religiously.

00:47:35.000 How did you feel?

00:47:37.000 Did you feel like it was a demon or did you feel like it was a ghost or dead people?

00:47:41.000 What did you think it was?

00:47:42.000 I don't know.

00:47:43.000 At the time, I definitely thought it was a demon because these two guys are yelling at me.

00:47:47.000 They're like, dude, this is 100% without a shout of a doubt like a demon.

00:47:51.000 And I'm like, well, I don't know exactly what I believe in.

00:47:53.000 This is already rattling my brain right now.

00:47:57.000 But it was scary.

00:47:58.000 And what was scarier is trying to go back into it and repeating the process.

00:48:03.000 Because we didn't know what we were messing with.

00:48:05.000 If it was a demon, hell, maybe if it is all real, are we just screwing ourselves over by going in all these places?

00:48:13.000 Are you inviting that thing into your life?

00:48:14.000 How many times did you guys go to the Queen Mary?

00:48:17.000 Three, four times?

00:48:19.000 Yeah, three or four times.

00:48:20.000 So you went back after that?

00:48:21.000 We did.

00:48:22.000 Did you leave the roommates at home?

00:48:25.000 At that point, yeah.

00:48:26.000 We did, we did.

00:48:27.000 Like, our final stint, which was actually last year, we hadn't gone back in three years, but we wanted to, like, the Queen Mary actually shut down, which was sad.

00:48:35.000 Oh, really?

00:48:35.000 When was that?

00:48:36.000 Last year.

00:48:37.000 They lost, like, funding and whatever.

00:48:40.000 It might be opening up now.

00:48:41.000 They're trying to, like, raise money and, like, get it back up, but...

00:48:44.000 So we thought this was the last time we'd ever see the ship, so we're like, let's go say goodbye to the thing that literally started this whole adventure for us.

00:48:51.000 And so Colvin and I went back alone to this B-340.

00:48:54.000 Same room, alone, like repeating.

00:48:56.000 Do they rent that room out to anybody?

00:48:58.000 They do now.

00:48:59.000 They do now.

00:49:00.000 But for 30 years they didn't.

00:49:01.000 We were like the first people to get to it.

00:49:04.000 That's so crazy.

00:49:05.000 But again, that's all alleged as well.

00:49:05.000 After 30 years.

00:49:07.000 Who knows if it's a marketing ploy?

00:49:09.000 And again, we were so skeptical that Sam and I, when those knocks first started to happen, we were looking under things.

00:49:15.000 We were like, this room has to be bugged.

00:49:16.000 See if you can find anything about that room.

00:49:18.000 Find anything about the Queen Mary room 340. Yeah, it's B340. B340. So, they told you that there was multiple murders that took place in that room?

00:49:28.000 Yeah, I mean, if you pull up a picture...

00:49:29.000 Imagine that you guys were just like an hour away from killing your roommates.

00:49:32.000 Oh my god.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, like if we kept going at it.

00:49:34.000 One more hour, we just kept asking questions.

00:49:35.000 He just turns on us.

00:49:36.000 Bam! 0.98

00:49:38.000 He just starts talking to you.

00:49:39.000 That's what the room looks like.

00:49:40.000 This is the room.

00:49:41.000 Oh god, it gives you chills.

00:49:42.000 What does it say on the wall?

00:49:43.000 Is that scripture?

00:49:44.000 Well, they have literally experiences of each different family.

00:49:49.000 Yeah, there's a ton of...

00:49:50.000 Oh my god, so it's like openly haunted.

00:49:53.000 Yeah, so anytime someone has like a crazy experience that they deem notable, they'll write it on the wall.

00:49:58.000 There's our thumbnail right there.

00:50:00.000 It's the Bloody Mary wall.

00:50:02.000 Yeah, and they have instructions to do Bloody Mary.

00:50:04.000 It's definitely cheesy a little bit.

00:50:06.000 Like, they have the Bloody Mary, like, challenge on it.

00:50:08.000 Bloody Mary?

00:50:09.000 What does that mean?

00:50:10.000 So, Bloody Mary is, like, this challenge that a lot of people used to do, like, as, like, children or whatever.

00:50:15.000 You, like, go in front of a mirror, turn the light off, have one candle, spin around three times while saying Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary.

00:50:21.000 Oh, so it's Candyman.

00:50:22.000 Exactly.

00:50:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:24.000 So it's the evolution of Candyman.

00:50:26.000 And so that's, like, gimmicky, obviously.

00:50:28.000 But there's a lot of stories all over the...

00:50:30.000 That's the one that turned on, yeah.

00:50:32.000 And so this room, is there any documentation that people actually died in that room?

00:50:38.000 Yeah, I was going to say, I'm curious, because when we went there, again, we were very different than where we're at now.

00:50:45.000 We didn't do super extensive research.

00:50:47.000 What we did is we would take the article that it says it is, but obviously we're not going back and fact-checking that, and then we'd go and talk to the employees.

00:50:55.000 And so most of our stories were all first-hand encounters with the employees that were there.

00:51:00.000 Or things that they would tell us rather than, you know...

00:51:03.000 And the employees seem to believe it.

00:51:05.000 Every employee we've met pretty much at all these haunted places are true believers.

00:51:10.000 Those are the ones that said they could see stuff following us.

00:51:13.000 People that work there are super into the paranormal and stuff. 0.97

00:51:17.000 That's what's fucked, right? 0.86

00:51:19.000 Because there's only a handful of those people that are there day in, day out. 0.97

00:51:23.000 Right, right.

00:51:24.000 And you can dismiss that.

00:51:26.000 Or it might be real.

00:51:29.000 Right, right.

00:51:29.000 That's the thing.

00:51:30.000 It's just the thing that gnaws at me.

00:51:32.000 It's like it's so easy to dismiss ghosts. 1.00

00:51:34.000 Oh, ghosts are bullshit. 0.99

00:51:36.000 But the problem is there are so many people that say they've seen it over so many years. 1.00

00:51:43.000 Literally hundreds and hundreds of years.

00:51:47.000 It makes you wonder if there are multiple dimensions and if you are a physical body that's carrying around a soul, where does that thing go?

00:52:00.000 Yeah, if energy doesn't die, where does it all go?

00:52:02.000 And what happens if something horrible takes place?

00:52:06.000 Crazy traumatic moment.

00:52:08.000 Gunshots and stab wounds.

00:52:11.000 Where does that soul go?

00:52:13.000 Is it possible that things get trapped in between worlds and that these people that work in these places or you guys experience them?

00:52:24.000 Exactly.

00:52:25.000 And who's to say, like, you know, we know, like, you know, whether or not maybe a lot of people believe a soul passes on, but what if that's just not true and all souls stay here?

00:52:33.000 I don't know.

00:52:34.000 Like, it's so interesting.

00:52:35.000 We'd be God if we knew, you know?

00:52:37.000 It's just, it's a lot of guesswork.

00:52:38.000 But the thing about the ghost stuff is there's so many people with experiences.

00:52:43.000 My grandmother was, she would always say she was psychic, but she never guessed anything correctly. 0.99

00:52:49.000 Oh, damn. 0.96

00:52:52.000 But she always like, but there was a guy that was staying with them for a while after my parents, my mom and my uncles moved out of the house. 0.99

00:53:02.000 They took in like a board, a boarder, like a guy that my father knew and you know, he paid them to stay in one of the rooms.

00:53:10.000 And he was up in the attic and they had like the attic set up as an apartment and he died.

00:53:15.000 And my grandmother used to go up there and she said sometimes he would talk to her.

00:53:21.000 Like she would have these experiences where she's like, I know he's still up there.

00:53:25.000 Like he was talking to me. 0.94

00:53:27.000 And my grandfather got kind of fucking weirded out by it. 0.77

00:53:30.000 But it was like she told us don't go up in that attic. 0.95

00:53:34.000 No way.

00:53:34.000 Did she ever tell you what he would talk about?

00:53:37.000 Full on conversations?

00:53:38.000 I don't know.

00:53:39.000 I was very young at the time, so I don't think she wanted to freak me out.

00:53:42.000 I was like five years old, so I think she wanted to keep it on the DL. My grandmother was crazy. 0.98

00:53:48.000 She had a monkey. 0.99

00:53:50.000 She had a monkey named Chi-Chi that would bite people. 0.86

00:53:52.000 What?

00:53:53.000 Whoa.

00:53:54.000 What? 0.99

00:53:55.000 My grandmother was nuts. 1.00

00:53:57.000 Yeah, she was a wild lady. 0.99

00:53:59.000 She went to jail for bookmaking.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, she was running numbers for the mob.

00:54:01.000 For bookmaking?

00:54:04.000 And she wouldn't give up the mob until they put her in jail for six months.

00:54:08.000 So it would always be like, where's grandma?

00:54:10.000 And they're like, oh, grandma's staying with Aunt Lulu.

00:54:14.000 Just not talking about it for a while. 1.00

00:54:15.000 She was in fucking jail. 1.00

00:54:16.000 She was in jail for numbers running. 1.00

00:54:19.000 Yeah, because that was like the neighborhood lottery, was the numbers.

00:54:24.000 Do you know what the numbers were?

00:54:27.000 I don't know.

00:54:27.000 See if we can find a definition of the numbers, like how the mob used to run the numbers.

00:54:32.000 But basically, they would have a number every day.

00:54:34.000 You know, like 34, 29, 16, whatever it was.

00:54:38.000 I don't know how many digits it was.

00:54:40.000 And people would guess whatever the number was, and you'd pay into that whatever it was.

00:54:46.000 So you'd pay in, I don't know how much money it cost for each individual thing, but it was very similar to the lottery.

00:54:53.000 Like the lottery numbers, they pick the lottery numbers, you guess them, and you could buy as many lottery tickets as you want.

00:55:00.000 It's similar to that, but it was all illegal and it wasn't being taxed, and you could get in real trouble if you were involved in it.

00:55:07.000 And so my grandmother was involved in it.

00:55:09.000 So they arrested her.

00:55:10.000 But what they really wanted is her to rat out the mob. 0.98

00:55:13.000 And she's like, I'm not ratting out nobody.

00:55:16.000 That's kind of awesome.

00:55:17.000 She went to jail for six months.

00:55:18.000 She trusts her the first time.

00:55:20.000 But she also talked to ghosts. 0.99

00:55:22.000 There we go.

00:55:23.000 Same category.

00:55:24.000 No, it's interesting.

00:55:26.000 A lot of people dismiss that idea, but I think it's like 50% of the United States or something like that believes in ghosts or believes in the afterlife or something like that.

00:55:36.000 It's like everybody you talk to will have something where maybe it's not paranormal, but they'll have a situation that they can't explain.

00:55:42.000 They don't know how the drape fell off in the beginning.

00:55:47.000 It's weird enough that we're here.

00:55:49.000 That's weird enough.

00:55:50.000 The idea that there's ghosts, somehow or another, that's weirder. 0.93

00:55:55.000 Like, just human life is fucking bizarre.

00:55:58.000 Just the fact that we can look at each other and communicate and use sounds to express feelings and... 0.93

00:56:04.000 Move without thinking about it.

00:56:06.000 There's a lot of weirdness to life that we just take for granted because it's commonplace.

00:56:11.000 But the ghost thing...

00:56:13.000 You know, so you guys, you have this one experience.

00:56:17.000 And now, are you automatically a believer?

00:56:20.000 Do you go through periods where you're like, well, maybe someone was messing with us.

00:56:25.000 Maybe it's not real.

00:56:26.000 Yeah, so that was probably a full year before we went full into haunted.

00:56:32.000 So, like, throughout that, you know...

00:56:34.000 You have phases of your career.

00:56:36.000 Full into Haunted.

00:56:37.000 Full into Haunted.

00:56:38.000 Full into musicals.

00:56:41.000 All the good stuff, for sure.

00:56:42.000 That was the first phase.

00:56:43.000 We started doing Broadway.

00:56:44.000 And then we did Haunted for a while.

00:56:48.000 So yeah, after the rest, we were like, alright, let's dive back into this.

00:56:51.000 And it was so interesting.

00:56:53.000 And at that point, again, like...

00:56:55.000 We're no experts on this.

00:56:57.000 We're honestly trying to do this to prove to ourselves because of the crazy experience we had a long time ago.

00:57:02.000 So we had, at least for the first year of us doing a haunted exclusively on our channel, we had no equipment.

00:57:10.000 Most of the time we'd go in documentary style and just interview people, walk around these hotels or buildings and be like, why is it haunted?

00:57:18.000 And then try to test that same theory.

00:57:20.000 A lot of times we would get stuff, sometimes we wouldn't.

00:57:24.000 But it's all been a learning process, especially as we go.

00:57:27.000 There are some points that we'll go a stent with a couple months of, I don't know, we haven't had anything actually blow our minds in a while.

00:57:37.000 And then, boom, something else happens.

00:57:39.000 It just brings us right back into it.

00:57:41.000 We're also just coming up with more theories in our head of what we actually do believe with the paranormal.

00:57:47.000 For example, right now, we 100% believe in energies and stuff like that, and there's no question that you can walk into some places and it's just a different vibe.

00:57:55.000 It feels heavier.

00:57:57.000 But do we believe in the Casper, the ghost, sort of figure ghosts?

00:58:02.000 Like, not really.

00:58:03.000 Maybe.

00:58:04.000 We've seen, like, shadow figures before, but have I ever levitated?

00:58:07.000 No.

00:58:07.000 Have I ever seen something, like, straight in front of my face where I, like, undeniable proof that that's a ghost in front of me?

00:58:13.000 No.

00:58:14.000 It's, like, been, like, just out of corner of the eyes and stuff like that.

00:58:16.000 You know, there's some scientists that believe that things carry memory.

00:58:20.000 There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake, and he has this theory of morphic resonance.

00:58:24.000 And part of his theory is that he thinks objects themselves contain some sort of memory, whether or not you can access that memory, but that objects contain memory.

00:58:35.000 And he cites that as one of the reasons why people can feel things.

00:58:41.000 Like if you were going to a house where someone's been murdered in the house, there's a reason why they have to tell you.

00:58:47.000 They can't just sell you the house.

00:58:48.000 They have to sell, well, by the way...

00:58:51.000 You know, like, if someone gets murdered in the house, I think, I don't know, like, for how long after the, and it probably varies by state to state, but I remember in California, like, you would have to tell people if someone got murdered in the house.

00:59:05.000 For sure. 0.98

00:59:05.000 Like, to this day, they can't sell that fucking JonBenet house. 0.98

00:59:09.000 JonBenet Ramsey? 0.99

00:59:10.000 I don't even know what that is.

00:59:12.000 She got murdered in Boulder, Colorado.

00:59:14.000 She was a beauty pageant queen who was a tiny little girl. 0.99

00:59:18.000 It was really creepy.

00:59:19.000 You ever do those child beauty pageants? 1.00

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.000 Well, she was murdered when she was very young.

00:59:26.000 I don't know how old she was, like eight, nine, something like that.

00:59:29.000 And it was a national scandal because they couldn't figure out who murdered her or what happened.

00:59:36.000 And some people thought...

00:59:37.000 That it was the parents and the Boulder Police Department botched the investigation because they weren't really – Boulder is a pretty peaceful place.

00:59:44.000 They're not used to murders, especially not murders of children.

00:59:48.000 And also, like, it exposed people to how weird these child beauty pageants are where you're taking a little girl and you're putting, you know, high-heeled shoes on her and short skirts and sexy makeup. 0.99

01:00:01.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:00:04.000 Right. 0.99

01:00:04.000 And so it became this thing. 0.99

01:00:06.000 So we lived in Boulder for a while, and we were looking at real estate in Boulder, and there was this one house.

01:00:12.000 Like, this is a pretty nice house.

01:00:13.000 Like, why is this house so cheap?

01:00:16.000 It was weird.

01:00:17.000 It seemed like it should have been more expensive.

01:00:19.000 And then I Googled it.

01:00:20.000 Uh-oh.

01:00:21.000 And I found out, oh, that's the house where JonBenet Ramsey had been killed.

01:00:24.000 Oh, man.

01:00:25.000 Yeah, I don't know if it ever sold.

01:00:26.000 But the entire time we were there, it was for sale.

01:00:30.000 It was for sale before then for years.

01:00:33.000 I think they might have even changed the name of the street to try to sell the house. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Some weird shit like that. 0.90

01:00:41.000 I've definitely heard of that happening before. 0.99

01:00:43.000 They're like, oh, no one's buying this because of that.

01:00:46.000 Well, it's a thing.

01:00:48.000 No one wants to buy a house where a little girl was murdered.

01:00:51.000 Oh, for sure.

01:00:52.000 And might have been murdered by her parents. 0.54

01:00:54.000 That was the real...

01:00:55.000 Oh, really?

01:00:55.000 The scary part about it was that was the accusations that the mother did it.

01:00:59.000 They brought in these handwriting experts, and the handwriting experts compared the ransom note with the mother's handwriting, and they were trying to say that the mother wrote the ransom note. 0.95

01:01:10.000 I'm like, who fucking knows? 0.57

01:01:11.000 But it's gross enough that no one wanted to have anything to do with the house. 0.98

01:01:16.000 Yeah, no, it makes sense.

01:01:16.000 Right.

01:01:17.000 There's this one time, one of the creepiest places we've ever been is kind of a story like that.

01:01:22.000 Have you ever heard of the Villisca Axe murders?

01:01:24.000 No.

01:01:25.000 So in Villisca, Iowa, there was this serial killer that came in, apparently, and small little town, a couple thousand people or whatever, a little house, and somehow this guy was able to come into the house and Kill two parents and six kids all in one house with an axe.

01:01:47.000 A tiny house.

01:01:48.000 Without getting caught at all.

01:01:49.000 And to this day, it's an unsolved murder.

01:01:51.000 Jesus Christ.

01:01:52.000 And it's just so, so bizarre.

01:01:55.000 And that was one of the places that, like, yeah.

01:01:57.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:58.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:01:59.000 Look at the fucking sign in front of it. 1.00

01:02:02.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:02:03.000 Vliska Axe Murder House, and it's dripping blood.

01:02:07.000 If you were a neighbor, you'd be like, hey, bro. 1.00

01:02:09.000 Maybe take that fucking sign down. 0.99

01:02:11.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

01:02:12.000 A little insensitive, for sure.

01:02:13.000 Jesus Christ!

01:02:14.000 So that was in 1912?

01:02:16.000 Yeah.

01:02:17.000 That all happened, yeah.

01:02:18.000 Over a hundred years.

01:02:19.000 But that was one of those things that we'd researched, and that was interesting.

01:02:23.000 But as soon as we stepped foot in that house, it was a whole different vibe.

01:02:28.000 It was one of those things that...

01:02:31.000 It was one of the few times we actually had to leave.

01:02:33.000 So halfway, after doing a little tour with the tour guide, he was telling us all these stories, and just being in there was weird.

01:02:42.000 Our buddy was feeling like he was going to throw up, and it was just really odd.

01:02:46.000 That doesn't happen every time, but when it does, it's kind of like... 0.98

01:02:49.000 And it might be because of how fucked up it was. 0.92

01:02:52.000 There was a lot of things that went down in this murder. 0.99

01:02:54.000 It's also you know about it, right?

01:02:56.000 It would have been interesting if someone brought you into the house without telling you anything.

01:03:01.000 Like, how do you feel in this place?

01:03:03.000 And then see how you feel then.

01:03:05.000 Is it like a placebo effect maybe?

01:03:07.000 Because you know the story, you're walking in there?

01:03:10.000 I mean, that's a crazy placebo, right? 1.00

01:03:12.000 Just to know that, that a whole family is murdered with a fucking axe. 1.00

01:03:17.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:03:17.000 And the most gruesome part about it is the killer used the blunt side of the axe. 1.00

01:03:23.000 So you can still, because we went there to investigate, you can still see the axe markings in the ceiling when he was going back to go down.

01:03:31.000 And again, it's so weird because there was like...

01:03:33.000 On the top floor there was like the parents room but then right like five steps down a wooden creaky hallway was the children's room where there was four of them and then there was two more of like the third daughter's friends that they were hanging out with that were downstairs that got murdered as well.

01:03:49.000 So how is it possible that he was able to get to all of them with the blunt side and just and like broke like did he break in or was he hiding like in the attic?

01:03:58.000 Like we don't know.

01:03:59.000 It was really creepy.

01:04:01.000 So that was the one that got you the most?

01:04:01.000 Yeah.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 That, like, true crime world is, like, really, really messed up.

01:04:09.000 Because, like, again, like, the stories you hear, too, and the allegations of these people is, like, oh, God.

01:04:16.000 Because for that particular ex-murder, the little girls downstairs apparently were the last ones getting killed.

01:04:22.000 And because of that, the killer was apparently reported that he, like, would...

01:04:27.000 This is, like, really...

01:04:29.000 Disturbing.

01:04:30.000 True warning.

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:31.000 Like, would, like, unclothe the little girls, and he sat there, and he pleasured himself in front of these, like, dead people.

01:04:38.000 With, like, a big, like, slab of bacon.

01:04:41.000 It was, like, those types of gruesome stories.

01:04:43.000 With a big slab of bacon, too? 0.95

01:04:44.000 A big slab of bacon, he, like, sexually pleasured himself to these, like, dead bodies. 0.99

01:04:48.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:04:49.000 Of, like, girls under, like, 10, too, I think, or 15, something like that.

01:04:53.000 And it never happened again?

01:04:54.000 And then they never found the guy?

01:04:56.000 Do they have suspects?

01:04:57.000 So they do have suspects.

01:04:58.000 And what's really interesting is the two main suspects that a lot of people talk about were not the ones that we ended up talking about in our video.

01:05:07.000 Just because right before doing research on this location, we saw this author that just came out with a book about a serial killer.

01:05:16.000 And she thinks she solves the Villisca X murders because that same exact style of murder was actually this serial killer that went from Midwest Town to Midwest Town on a train.

01:05:28.000 And it's called the man from the train.

01:05:30.000 And the same exact thing.

01:05:33.000 So things like...

01:05:34.000 Covering the mirrors after the death and the back of an axe.

01:05:38.000 The fact that he was left handed.

01:05:40.000 He would eat meals afterwards.

01:05:41.000 He'd make himself a meal and sit with all the dead bodies and eat.

01:05:45.000 Cover up every window because he was ashamed that if he saw his reflection or something like that.

01:05:51.000 And every single spot that this traveling serial killer went to would cover the windows and do weird things like that.

01:05:58.000 Ritual things.

01:05:59.000 So how many different times did this guy supposedly do this?

01:06:02.000 I don't know.

01:06:03.000 I think he did a lot.

01:06:04.000 Like, this specific serial killer, I did, like, dozens of times.

01:06:07.000 But the two main aspects...

01:06:09.000 Yeah, with axes.

01:06:10.000 Which is weird.

01:06:11.000 And then they explained to us why.

01:06:13.000 And this is a little gruesome, too.

01:06:14.000 But if you do the sharp side of an axe, it'll get stuck in your skull.

01:06:18.000 But if you destroy the skull with the backside, the blunt side, then you can pick up the axe faster.

01:06:24.000 And it was like, oh, my God.

01:06:26.000 Like, that's so gruesome.

01:06:26.000 And we thought.

01:06:27.000 Like, we were like, maybe he...

01:06:29.000 You know drug the family beforehand or like chloroform them or something and there was no sign of like any any drugs like used so here according to the book the man on the train he they describe him for being responsible for up to Let's see They're feeling certain that Mueller committed 14 family murders totaling 59 victims,

01:06:50.000 less certain varying degrees of his involvement, and another 25 family murders totaling an additional 94 victims.

01:06:56.000 Wow.

01:06:57.000 And there's even one in Germany they think might have been attached to him.

01:06:57.000 Oh my God.

01:07:00.000 Do they have a photo of this guy?

01:07:02.000 I don't think so.

01:07:03.000 I don't think so.

01:07:04.000 So what was his name?

01:07:05.000 Mueller.

01:07:06.000 Paul Mueller.

01:07:07.000 And why did they think it was him, specifically?

01:07:10.000 Did he get arrested?

01:07:11.000 I'm just looking at the Wikipedia that breaks down the book.

01:07:15.000 The style of the murders were so similar.

01:07:18.000 And the two other main suspects that they had hadn't murdered anybody previously.

01:07:23.000 And so this guy just coming in train by train to all these different cities.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, the other suspects were just like not as intense, I guess you could say, where it was like there was like this one guy named Jones, I believe, who was just a businessman that maybe had like some rivalry in business with the family.

01:07:41.000 But wouldn't, you know, result to like murder for that.

01:07:44.000 And then there was also just like a creepy reverend who was like a peeping Tom sort of character that was just like the town creep that everybody thought it was.

01:07:51.000 Here's the main thing on why I guess they think that.

01:07:54.000 What they think.

01:07:55.000 I don't know if you can read that.

01:07:56.000 It might be a little small.

01:07:57.000 Yeah, according to the Jamises, a number of murders in the period were assumed by local police to be one-off incidents were actually committed by a single person, probably Mueller,

01:08:12.000 based on certain similarities among the crimes.

01:08:16.000 The similarities include The same being within a few hundred feet of railroad junction.

01:08:24.000 Okay, so that's the book's title, it says.

01:08:27.000 The slaughter of entire families in small towns with little or no police force.

01:08:32.000 And the families having a barn which the killer is believed to have hidden to observe the families.

01:08:38.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:08:40.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:08:41.000 That's so fucking messed up. 0.99

01:08:42.000 Imagine this guy waiting in the barn, watching the family go to sleep. 0.99

01:08:47.000 For how many days before he did it?

01:08:49.000 And they were all at church service before it all happened as well, which is horrible.

01:08:54.000 So that one particular, you felt something when you were in that place?

01:08:59.000 I mean, you just walk in and it's hard to explain, but you can feel the negativity in the air where it's almost like...

01:09:06.000 As crazy as it sounds, the air feels thicker, in a way.

01:09:09.000 My stepfather, who's a very sober-thinking, rational person, went to Gettysburg, and he said, you can feel the sadness.

01:09:22.000 He goes, it just feels horrible.

01:09:24.000 Like you're there and you just, you feel death.

01:09:27.000 He goes, I've never felt anything like that.

01:09:29.000 Like you're at a battleground.

01:09:31.000 And, you know, even though it's 200 years ago or whatever it was, less than 200 years ago, you feel it.

01:09:38.000 He goes, you can feel it.

01:09:39.000 He goes, I had to get out of there.

01:09:40.000 Yeah, that's the thing with some of these places.

01:09:42.000 It's not necessarily like, oh, like, you know, immediately you're just like, oh, yeah, this is spiritual energy or whatever like that, but it's just heavy.

01:09:48.000 Or it's just like you feel off when you go into these places.

01:09:52.000 Like, as soon as you stepped into The Conjuring House.

01:09:55.000 Have you ever seen The Conjuring movies?

01:09:56.000 Yes.

01:09:56.000 So they're actually based on a real house in Rhode Island.

01:10:00.000 And that was one of those places that we had walked into, and you were like almost getting nauseous.

01:10:04.000 I almost threw up.

01:10:05.000 And I'm not...

01:10:07.000 So what's interesting about the paranormal and what we've learned the past four years is that it affects people differently.

01:10:12.000 Some people can see stuff.

01:10:14.000 Some people claim their mediums and can communicate more.

01:10:17.000 I feel like I have more of like an empathic, like almost, like I just feel worse, like whenever there's something around.

01:10:25.000 And so when we first walked into The Conjuring House, like there was a point where I thought I was going to throw up and I was looking for exits.

01:10:33.000 What's the real story behind The Conjuring House?

01:10:35.000 What's the actual story?

01:10:37.000 So, yeah, the movie story is like this witch, Bathsheba or whatever, but the actual story, there's a bunch of different things that they say are haunted, but it's actually built on the grounds of the- Is that the house?

01:10:48.000 That's it.

01:10:49.000 Yeah, it's creepy.

01:10:51.000 It's an amazing house.

01:10:52.000 The state that launched the Conjuring universe.

01:10:55.000 There we go.

01:10:57.000 What is the Marvel Comics universe?

01:10:59.000 What does that mean?

01:11:00.000 The Conjuring universe?

01:11:01.000 How weird.

01:11:03.000 That's the problem.

01:11:04.000 When you start making an industry out of something...

01:11:07.000 It turns into a business.

01:11:08.000 What's the original story?

01:11:11.000 The most famous we'll get to, but it's built on the same grounds that the King-Philips War was fought on, right at the beginning of the United States and everything.

01:11:21.000 So the main people that haunt that are seven dead soldiers that this little girl always kept seeing in the walls and thus it started manifesting more to the entire family.

01:11:33.000 So this family called the Perrin family bought the place in 1972. And for 10 years, they said they would see these figures, these soldiers walking around.

01:11:45.000 Their beds would shake.

01:11:47.000 They would get scratches.

01:11:48.000 And it kept getting worse over the 10 years.

01:11:51.000 And the crazy part is it got to become famous because of the final day that changed it all.

01:12:00.000 They wanted to do, like, an exorcism on the house.

01:12:03.000 Because, I think, who was the mom Perrin?

01:12:05.000 Uh, Caroline or something?

01:12:06.000 Caroline Perrin.

01:12:07.000 Yeah, Caroline Perrin was getting, like, really bad.

01:12:10.000 Like, she would have things happen to her every single day.

01:12:13.000 You know, furniture would move, all these sort of things.

01:12:15.000 She was getting, like, really rash with everything.

01:12:18.000 So she brought in these demonologists who were... 0.94

01:12:21.000 Ed and Lorraine Warren.

01:12:22.000 If you've heard of them before.

01:12:22.000 Ed and Lorraine Warren.

01:12:23.000 No.

01:12:24.000 They're, like, the demonologists, the paranormal investigators.

01:12:26.000 They are, like, the fathers of it all.

01:12:29.000 Maybe I have heard of them.

01:12:30.000 Are they featured in the Zach Bagan Museum?

01:12:34.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 Okay, that's where I've heard of them.

01:12:36.000 Yeah, which is also a crazy place.

01:12:38.000 But yeah, so anyway.

01:12:38.000 We'll talk about that.

01:12:39.000 I just went.

01:12:40.000 You just went?

01:12:40.000 Really?

01:12:41.000 I just went a couple weeks ago.

01:12:42.000 Yeah, my daughter dragged me to that, too.

01:12:42.000 Oh, no way!

01:12:44.000 Hey, there we go!

01:12:45.000 Vegas.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, so they were doing this, like, exorcism.

01:12:50.000 That's them, yeah.

01:12:51.000 Yeah, that's those folks. 0.67

01:12:53.000 Okay, so they do an exorcism there.

01:12:55.000 They were doing an exorcism, and I don't know exactly prior to whatever happened or why they called it.

01:13:02.000 She was just having a bad time over the last couple of years, and they wanted it to end.

01:13:06.000 And to her claim, she was actually thrown across the entire room and smashed into a wall to where she had injuries. 0.75

01:13:17.000 And they were so angry about that that they actually kicked out the demonologist.

01:13:21.000 They punched Ed in the face.

01:13:23.000 Yeah, they punched that guy in the face because they thought he was the guy that was, like, making it worse.

01:13:27.000 But I think it just, like, pissed him off.

01:13:29.000 And so that thing...

01:13:31.000 When you say they punched him in the face, you mean the ghost punched him in the face?

01:13:34.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:13:34.000 The Perrin family.

01:13:36.000 The Perrin family was, like...

01:13:38.000 They're getting assaulted?

01:13:40.000 The Perrin family, yeah, was, like, really upset.

01:13:42.000 They punched him in the face because he thought that he threw the wife across the room? 0.56

01:13:46.000 Or he was responsible for it.

01:13:48.000 He thought they made it, or he was there, and the exorcism that he was conducting made it more angry, which in turn hurt his wife.

01:13:55.000 Oh, so he got angry.

01:13:57.000 He was like, stop doing this!

01:13:58.000 You brought him in. 0.77

01:13:59.000 It's like hiring a priest and then punching a priest.

01:13:59.000 Exactly.

01:14:02.000 Move.

01:14:02.000 Right, right.

01:14:03.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:14:04.000 Fuck, what's wrong with you? 1.00

01:14:04.000 Move down the street. 1.00

01:14:05.000 Come on. 0.98

01:14:05.000 Punching people. 0.98

01:14:07.000 So...

01:14:08.000 The Perron family actually wrote a book about that.

01:14:10.000 And they say the Conjuring movies actually don't do it justice of all the things that happened and all the movements and the craziness that happened in that 10 years that they lived there.

01:14:19.000 They were like, in the real life, actually experiencing it and the trauma they went through, they say it's like 10 times worse.

01:14:26.000 And so they feel like it was dead soldiers, like murdered soldiers on the battlefield?

01:14:32.000 I'm not sure.

01:14:33.000 Well, here's where it gets interesting is they don't know what it is, but they believe it is something more evil or demonic, whatever you believe in, that is like controlling all of these like soldiers and stuff and trapping them.

01:14:45.000 Movie goes with that's a person named Bathsheba who was like a neighbor who everybody just thought was a witch. 0.92

01:14:51.000 But in real life, it was just known as a demonic possession, but no trace back.

01:14:57.000 That's an interesting thing, right?

01:15:00.000 Because that's in a lot of these cases.

01:15:02.000 They feel like it's not just ghosts, but it's ghosts that are being controlled by some sort of a demonic entity.

01:15:08.000 And the demonic entity keeps these ghosts there, which is like another layer of belief you have to have.

01:15:08.000 Right.

01:15:15.000 Exactly.

01:15:16.000 Don't just believe that maybe when people die, their energy gets left behind, and then maybe that energy gets controlled by demons.

01:15:23.000 Exactly.

01:15:24.000 It's like another level.

01:15:24.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:25.000 We're so into crazy now.

01:15:27.000 I don't know if I'm willing to go there.

01:15:28.000 It gets meta.

01:15:29.000 It gets very meta. 0.99

01:15:30.000 But if you did encounter a demon, nobody would fucking believe you. 0.98

01:15:34.000 And then you would be trapped. 1.00

01:15:35.000 You would be this person who for the rest of your life, there goes Bob and his fucking demon stories. 1.00

01:15:40.000 No one would buy it. 1.00

01:15:42.000 Same thing with aliens or anything.

01:15:42.000 Exactly.

01:15:44.000 Anything you see that are outside of this logical physical world.

01:15:49.000 Normal daily encounters.

01:15:50.000 Yeah.

01:15:51.000 Anything outside of that.

01:15:52.000 Bigfoot.

01:15:53.000 Anything where you see things.

01:15:53.000 Anything.

01:15:55.000 And there's been many times where people have seen things that they swear were real. 1.00

01:16:00.000 And you go, God, that poor fuck. 1.00

01:16:03.000 I would rather not see those things. 1.00

01:16:05.000 And then just have everybody just looking at you.

01:16:07.000 Oh, here comes Mike with his wacky ideas.

01:16:09.000 Right.

01:16:10.000 Because, like, if you did, like, there's a gentleman.

01:16:10.000 You know?

01:16:13.000 Where's this little...

01:16:14.000 Where's Travis Walton's little thing?

01:16:17.000 We used to have it on the desk here.

01:16:19.000 Oh, it's over there.

01:16:20.000 That guy right there, this guy, is Travis Walton.

01:16:24.000 And he's got his own bobblehead now.

01:16:26.000 Man's got to make a living.

01:16:28.000 He was in this movie called Fire in the Sky.

01:16:35.000 I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

01:16:36.000 It's a UFO abduction story.

01:16:38.000 But it's a very famous abduction story because There was a bunch of eyewitnesses, and there was witnesses that saw the spacecraft that were in the town.

01:16:47.000 He was a logger in Arizona, including people that hated him, who backed up his story.

01:16:56.000 So they saw something, and this area where they were logging, there had been sightings.

01:17:02.000 Like, multiple sightings of UFOs in the past.

01:17:06.000 And they saw something go through the sky and into the trees, and they pulled the truck over.

01:17:14.000 This guy, Travis Walton, who was a young guy at the time, he was in his early 20s, jumps out of the car, runs over to this thing, and there's a flying saucer, like a classic flying saucer that's hovering over the ground.

01:17:28.000 It was like a flying saucer, right?

01:17:30.000 Is that how he described it, I believe?

01:17:32.000 Anyway, he runs up, gets too close to this thing, a burst of energy hits him, like he got too close to it or something, gets knocked down.

01:17:42.000 The other guys run.

01:17:44.000 They're terrified now.

01:17:45.000 They run, they get in the car, they drive off. 0.89

01:17:48.000 And then they're screaming and yelling at each other as they're driving off, like, we gotta go back and get him, we can't fucking leave him there.

01:17:53.000 So they go back, they go back to the same spot, he's gone. 0.80

01:17:58.000 He disappeared for five days.

01:18:00.000 What's like five days? 0.88

01:18:02.000 I hope I'm not fucking this up. 0.94

01:18:03.000 So five days later, he shows up in town, calls someone on the cell phone, calls the police, tells them his story. 0.90

01:18:13.000 There's recordings of him calling the police and telling the story.

01:18:16.000 No one knows what happened to him.

01:18:18.000 Five days, no food, no water.

01:18:21.000 And his story was that they took him aboard this spaceship and repaired him.

01:18:27.000 That he got damaged by this burst of energy that came off of this spaceship and that they repaired him and that he communicated with these beings.

01:18:37.000 And these beings are what everybody describes as these classic gray aliens. 0.58

01:18:44.000 These things with these big heads and these large eyes and there was different types of creatures that were on this spaceship too. 1.00

01:18:51.000 But that poor fucking guy! 0.99

01:18:52.000 For the rest of his life, now he's like in his 60s, maybe 70s, and that's him. 1.00

01:18:57.000 He came on the podcast, very nice guy, but now he's the fucking wacky UFO guy for the rest of his life. 0.95

01:19:03.000 Like Travis Walton could have been a normal guy and had a normal life and never experienced that. 0.95

01:19:09.000 Like, would you rather Be the person who has the unique experience that nobody believes or never have that experience where you could just live a normal life.

01:19:20.000 I would 100% rather have the experience, I think, because...

01:19:23.000 Okay, maybe not the UFO experience, but the reason I think deep down that I'm so intrigued with the paranormal and, like, these experiences is because, in a way, it gives me hope of something, like...

01:19:37.000 Further than this.

01:19:38.000 I'd rather, instead of not believing in anything and just being like, alright, I'm just going to die and sit in the ground for the rest of my life, or for the rest of eternity, I want to, even if it's a little notch of faith that there's something else out there, I'd much rather have that experience.

01:19:53.000 But that's my opinion.

01:19:54.000 I mean, I would agree, too.

01:19:55.000 I think, you know, there's going to be people that judge you for what you believe, no matter if it isn't ghosts or like even talking religion and stuff like that.

01:20:03.000 So you might as well just stay true to, you know, the things you actually experience.

01:20:06.000 And I would love to find out.

01:20:08.000 It's answers.

01:20:09.000 It's kind of like giving, like you said, like a little bit more hope of what comes next.

01:20:14.000 Do you guys feel that with your experiences that you've had, they're limited in terms of like you haven't had anything like The Conjuring House happen to you, but you've had enough happen where you've been around enough that you have questions?

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:30.000 I mean, that's the thing.

01:20:32.000 That's where we draw the line with what we believe and what we don't.

01:20:35.000 I don't think if I keep doing this, I'm going to start levitating.

01:20:38.000 If I do, that would be the straw.

01:20:41.000 That would be the final thing.

01:20:42.000 If I levitate tomorrow...

01:20:43.000 I saw the Sally House video today.

01:20:45.000 Yeah.

01:20:45.000 I watched the Sally House video today while I was working out.

01:20:48.000 And those people were telling you, rather, that they levitated.

01:20:51.000 Yes, the medium.

01:20:52.000 And I was like, did you really?

01:20:53.000 But they're so, like, dead serious.

01:20:55.000 And there's so many people.

01:20:56.000 They seem so normal.

01:20:56.000 They seem so normal, other than the fact they said they levitated.

01:20:59.000 Exactly.

01:21:00.000 But, dude, if I levitate tomorrow, then that's it.

01:21:03.000 I don't have to do it again.

01:21:04.000 Because I would believe.

01:21:05.000 I'm like, hell yeah, this is awesome.

01:21:06.000 I don't think that's going to happen to me.

01:21:08.000 No.

01:21:09.000 But there are so many things that we've seen that are like, okay, that makes me want to inch a little closer or try it again or do it again.

01:21:17.000 There's that spark of like, oh, I cannot explain how that happened.

01:21:22.000 What's the most profound one that you guys have experienced?

01:21:26.000 The size Queen Mary?

01:21:27.000 There's both individual experiences that have been insane.

01:21:32.000 For me, for example, I went...

01:21:33.000 In Texas, actually, there was a spot called Bowers Mansion.

01:21:37.000 I don't know what city it was in.

01:21:39.000 It was a small, small town.

01:21:40.000 Small town in Texas.

01:21:41.000 And this was one of these spots where nobody has ever investigated or just like a handful of people.

01:21:47.000 So we were going to be like the first YouTubers to really investigate and like put it on the map.

01:21:52.000 And it had to deal with like, I think it was like a murder-suicide.

01:21:55.000 Some guy like killed his wife and then shot himself.

01:21:59.000 And we're trying to like, especially this year and in the future, try to just put ourselves in more scary situations so it never...

01:22:08.000 It's always exciting and stuff like that.

01:22:09.000 So we're trying to do more alone challenges and stuff.

01:22:12.000 Things that give us more fear.

01:22:15.000 And so for this specific one, I had the challenge of staying in the entire mansion by myself.

01:22:21.000 And I was on the top floor in a room which was deemed to be the most haunted.

01:22:27.000 Apparently a guy named Bernard had lived there in the past and basically was like Stuck in a wheelchair his entire life and stayed in that room and would like only look out the window and that's it and he died and apparently still in the room and so I'm up there and Sam is not even in the house I think you're actually in the cellar and then one of our other buddies is like across the street and earlier before we all did like the alone investigation the door as we were walking down the stairs of the Bernard Room Close.

01:22:58.000 And we were all like, wait, did you guys hear that too?

01:22:58.000 Shut.

01:23:00.000 Was that just my imagination?

01:23:01.000 We run up there.

01:23:02.000 It's completely shut.

01:23:03.000 And so we obviously propped it back open.

01:23:05.000 But since I knew that had happened before, I was just up there asking questions to Bernard.

01:23:10.000 And I was just like, all right, Bernard, if you're really up here, why don't you slam this door right behind me like you did for us earlier?

01:23:16.000 It's just me and you.

01:23:18.000 Do it.

01:23:19.000 And...

01:23:20.000 Sure enough, like, the door slammed right behind me.

01:23:23.000 It's like right when I turn.

01:23:24.000 So you're alone in this mansion.

01:23:26.000 And you're talking to ghosts.

01:23:26.000 Yeah.

01:23:27.000 Yeah.

01:23:28.000 And you're asking the ghost to slam the door.

01:23:30.000 And he slams the door.

01:23:31.000 And he slams it right behind me. 1.00

01:23:32.000 And you're sitting there going, what the fuck? 0.99

01:23:35.000 Not sitting there. 1.00

01:23:36.000 Instantly?

01:23:37.000 Not sitting there.

01:23:38.000 Like, I went into tears.

01:23:39.000 Like, and it's all on camera.

01:23:40.000 Like, I've never, like, gotten, like, super emotional, like, from going to these, like, haunted places.

01:23:46.000 But...

01:23:46.000 It brought me to tears where I just immediately started walking.

01:23:50.000 And of course, this is our job.

01:23:51.000 We want this stuff to happen.

01:23:53.000 But I've never had...

01:23:54.000 It was almost more of a jump scare that was startling than anything.

01:23:58.000 Because it was right behind me.

01:23:59.000 What technology exists?

01:24:01.000 What do ghost hunters use?

01:24:03.000 What's the cream of the crop?

01:24:05.000 What's the Tesla of ghost hunting technology?

01:24:10.000 What's the iPhone of ghost hunting technology?

01:24:12.000 Probably the EMF is the most standard one.

01:24:15.000 EMF? What does that stand for?

01:24:18.000 Electromagnetic frequencies?

01:24:20.000 Field or something.

01:24:21.000 It's an EMF detector.

01:24:21.000 So basically it just detects changes in EMF energy.

01:24:25.000 So like, you know, if nothing's changing at all, it won't do anything.

01:24:29.000 But if there's something like movement or like, you know, new energy enters the room or something like that, it'll spike.

01:24:35.000 And so that's like what a lot of the equipment is based off of.

01:24:38.000 What's really interesting in the stuff that we do now is we try to integrate just more normal, like, everyday objects into our investigation because of the fact that a lot of people are skeptical.

01:24:50.000 So, for example, one of the pieces of equipment that we use a lot is, like, a cat toy that lights up when you touch it.

01:24:58.000 So we would put cat balls around and, you know...

01:25:00.000 We've seen them sit there for hours and nothing happens.

01:25:03.000 And then, like, one time we'll be like, alright, if there's someone in the room, can you go touch that cat ball 20 feet away from us?

01:25:09.000 Well, I saw the episode that you guys filmed at that sanitarium.

01:25:13.000 I don't know, you probably filmed many of them at a sanitarium, but you had a cat toy and you also had this little box with an antenna that comes out of it, like a circle.

01:25:23.000 It's like a flat disc with an antenna and it was going off.

01:25:26.000 You did it.

01:25:27.000 You set it in a room and you walked away and you let the camera run.

01:25:31.000 Oh, the Waverly Hills.

01:25:33.000 That is a crazy scene.

01:25:35.000 That's nuts.

01:25:36.000 So this device, explain what this device is, this device with the antenna.

01:25:42.000 It looks like a giant hockey puck.

01:25:44.000 Yeah, so the RIM pod is what they call it.

01:25:46.000 I don't know what that stands for, really.

01:25:48.000 But it does the same thing.

01:25:49.000 So that antenna emits an electromagnetic field that's probably like two feet wide.

01:25:54.000 And so if there's something...

01:25:56.000 That's it right there.

01:25:56.000 Right there.

01:25:57.000 That's it.

01:25:57.000 So if something enters that electromagnetic field, it'll change the frequency.

01:26:02.000 And that would mean that would actually go off.

01:26:04.000 When it lights up like that, that means something is literally right next to it.

01:26:08.000 So what was crazy is, I think, Colby, you sat there, I don't know, you put it down, and it was two or three minutes until it actually went off.

01:26:16.000 To give context a little bit, the challenge was to go put the rim pod downstairs by this ball or whatever, and everybody else was upstairs, and we had to go alone and do it.

01:26:25.000 And so I went down here, and I put this rim pod down, set up the camera, and then we're all upstairs.

01:26:29.000 We have no idea this is going on.

01:26:31.000 At all.

01:26:32.000 We should explain why the ball because there was a video of a ball sitting there by itself And you're watching this ball and it's not moving forever and then all of a sudden it just rolls by itself on its own.

01:26:47.000 So that was really crazy.

01:26:50.000 What was that ball?

01:26:51.000 Like where was that ball and who set the camera up for that?

01:26:54.000 So that wasn't our video, but the people that we went with who are our friends, that was their video.

01:26:59.000 They had been to that place like three or four times and one of the times they had set that ball down because The story goes that the person, the spirit or whatever that is moving that ball is like a little kid.

01:27:10.000 And, you know, it's a sanatorium.

01:27:11.000 It was like really sad.

01:27:12.000 But, you know, the kids were allowed to like play on that level.

01:27:16.000 And so if you put a ball down, it's supposedly if there's someone there, it will move.

01:27:21.000 And they put that little rope there specifically so that no wind would get it.

01:27:25.000 Like you'd have to actually put like an immense force to push it.

01:27:29.000 And so our buddies who had been there before filmed, I think they said it was like a three hour clip.

01:27:34.000 Three hours of this ball sitting in that same area, that's why we put the ball there, of just nothingness.

01:27:40.000 And then, like you said, it didn't seem like it was wind or slow.

01:27:43.000 It was an immediate push.

01:27:45.000 It was a boom, and it went off the screen.

01:27:47.000 That's what it looks like on the video.

01:27:48.000 The video's bizarre.

01:27:50.000 It was a video, because, I don't know, technical challenges or whatever.

01:27:54.000 He was filming his YouTube video.

01:27:56.000 I don't know why he was filming the video.

01:27:57.000 That's why it looks so bad.

01:27:59.000 But yeah, basically, he...

01:28:02.000 Witness this ball after three hours randomly just getting, how does it get that kinetic energy to boom, move?

01:28:08.000 No wind.

01:28:09.000 So you guys decide to set this up, so you put the ball down there, and what is this box called again?

01:28:14.000 The REM pod.

01:28:15.000 Yeah.

01:28:15.000 REM pod.

01:28:16.000 And so does that detect wind?

01:28:19.000 No.

01:28:20.000 So does wind set it off?

01:28:22.000 Like if you set it up outside and it's windy?

01:28:22.000 No.

01:28:24.000 No.

01:28:24.000 That won't set it off.

01:28:25.000 No, it's only like coming in contact with it pretty much.

01:28:29.000 So something has to touch it?

01:28:30.000 Either touch it or in the field.

01:28:32.000 So if you put your hand within a foot, it'll change.

01:28:34.000 But if you're not – like he was standing next to it for like a minute talking what he's doing and it wasn't going off.

01:28:40.000 And then he leaves the room completely.

01:28:42.000 He's probably 600 feet away.

01:28:43.000 We went up two floors and down the hall and then it started going off, which was so monumental to us because it was like – Why, for the entire time that you were there, nothing's happening.

01:28:53.000 But as soon as you leave, or as soon as I leave, like...

01:28:56.000 Is there any conventional explanation that anybody's ever given you why that thing would just go off like that?

01:29:03.000 Well, that's, again, we're no, like, expert in all this stuff.

01:29:06.000 There probably might be for half the time.

01:29:09.000 Like, there's definitely coincidences that happen in our videos.

01:29:12.000 And there's a lot of things that we debunk and write up to be coincidences.

01:29:16.000 It's the coincidences that happen so, like, linear to our questions, are perfect to our questions that make us believe more.

01:29:24.000 So it's not like we believe everything that happens and we're like, ah, maybe equipment will get triggered by other things.

01:29:29.000 Just like anything has a malfunction.

01:29:31.000 It's also battery-operated, so, you know, some skeptics out there could say, like, maybe the battery's almost dead and it's just malfunctioning.

01:29:37.000 Who knows?

01:29:38.000 Do you think that maybe the more you do this stuff, the more things happen to you?

01:29:45.000 I think that's what has happened.

01:29:47.000 I think so.

01:29:47.000 And we're just learning that, too.

01:29:49.000 That's what's weird about it.

01:29:50.000 Like, I'm trying to look at this as a skeptic.

01:29:53.000 And I'm also trying to look at this as a believer.

01:29:55.000 I'm trying to be agnostic.

01:29:56.000 I'm trying to be open-minded.

01:29:57.000 I'm trying to watch these things. 0.95

01:29:58.000 And I'm like, what if you guys are opening up some fucking doorway to interactions with something or some kind of energy or some kind of life forms? 0.94

01:30:10.000 Right. 0.94

01:30:11.000 That exist in some weird dimension.

01:30:13.000 And the more you interact with them, the more they're accessible to you.

01:30:18.000 Exactly.

01:30:19.000 That's what seems weird. 1.00

01:30:20.000 If you're not full of shit, you don't seem full of shit, you seem like a very nice gentleman. 0.99

01:30:23.000 Thanks. 1.00

01:30:23.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:30:25.000 If you're not full of shit, then something's happening. 0.99

01:30:28.000 So why do you guys keep having these experiences? 1.00

01:30:31.000 Well, first of all, you're going to these places that are known. 0.98

01:30:34.000 Either people have been murdered there or fucking, I mean, imagine the craziness of a sanitarium. 0.99

01:30:39.000 You're in a mental health institution where people have died. 1.00

01:30:42.000 Thousands.

01:30:43.000 Who knows? 0.98

01:30:44.000 And so this fucking creepy energy exists in that building already. 0.98

01:30:48.000 And how that... 0.98

01:30:49.000 Waverly House, is that what it's called?

01:30:51.000 Waverly Hills.

01:30:52.000 How long had that been abandoned when you guys got there?

01:30:56.000 I think I closed down in the 60s or 70s.

01:30:59.000 I don't even know.

01:30:59.000 I'm not 100% sure, but definitely in like decades.

01:31:02.000 And is it hard for you to get access to these places?

01:31:05.000 Do they just let you go?

01:31:07.000 Yeah, so to that point, we've actually like upped the bar a lot since we started.

01:31:12.000 Like when we started at just like places in Kansas, yeah, like not as many things would happen.

01:31:17.000 But we think part of the reason why more things are happening is because we have access to bigger and better things.

01:31:23.000 That Waverly Hills place, we wanted to go for six years.

01:31:27.000 We couldn't get access to it.

01:31:28.000 It sells out in 20 minutes for the entire year to just gain access to it.

01:31:33.000 Really?

01:31:33.000 It's crazy.

01:31:34.000 What do people do?

01:31:35.000 I guess.

01:31:35.000 Have raves in there?

01:31:36.000 Some people party.

01:31:37.000 Some people have little kids' birthdays and stuff. 0.99

01:31:40.000 So people rent that fucking creepy place now? 0.99

01:31:42.000 It's terrifying. 1.00

01:31:44.000 What?

01:31:45.000 So they rent that whole... 1.00

01:31:46.000 Jamie, we need to have the fucking JRE... Party. 0.99

01:31:50.000 There we go. 1.00

01:31:51.000 Have a festival.

01:31:52.000 Louisville, so like a derby weekend or something.

01:31:55.000 Derby weekend.

01:31:56.000 Have a festival at a mental health institution.

01:31:59.000 So people rent it out and do stuff there.

01:32:03.000 Yeah, all the time.

01:32:03.000 I mean, mostly it's known for its haunted nature.

01:32:06.000 So almost everyone who's renting out is going there because they want to explore it.

01:32:10.000 They want to see the history or they want to ghost hunt.

01:32:13.000 But yeah, it's been a blessing because as we've gotten bigger with this, more and more locations have been open to having us there.

01:32:20.000 And a lot of people will reach out and be like, hey, this is like this crazier story that we had, you know, never had access to before.

01:32:25.000 And now we get to have those experiences.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, I'm curious.

01:32:27.000 Have you ever heard of something called an egregore, an egregore?

01:32:30.000 No.

01:32:30.000 Before?

01:32:31.000 So we had just learned about this too, like recently.

01:32:34.000 But basically the theory is that if there's enough people believing in something...

01:32:40.000 By just manifesting it in their minds, it becomes real.

01:32:44.000 And so, for example, with this spot, it's like there's been so many people that have heard the dark history of Waverly Hills that maybe they're believing it into existence.

01:32:56.000 There's so many people going there to ghost hunt, so many people hearing about the trauma of it every single day, that all that energy, that's just a theory, is trapped there as well.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, who knows?

01:33:06.000 That's what's weird about thoughts.

01:33:08.000 Like, who knows what it can cause?

01:33:11.000 Do you believe in manifestation at all?

01:33:13.000 Like, do you believe in where, like, if you think positively or think about something you want to happen in your life, like, it eventually turns out?

01:33:20.000 The problem with those thoughts are...

01:33:22.000 The people that tell you that have had positive experiences.

01:33:27.000 So, like, if someone is a rock star and they said, I dreamed it into existence, like, okay, great, but you also had talent, you worked hard.

01:33:34.000 Like, how many people, like, tried to dream it into existence, but it didn't happen?

01:33:34.000 That's true.

01:33:38.000 Right.

01:33:39.000 I think...

01:33:40.000 It's a combination of stuff.

01:33:43.000 I think that visualization and it's possible that there's something more to thoughts than just here's a thing that I have in my head and I put it out there and, you know, it's just a thought.

01:33:56.000 Maybe there's some sort of creative energy that's attached to thoughts that maybe we're not aware of.

01:34:03.000 But I think The problem with things like The Secret and The Law of Attraction is that those very esoteric and fascinating concepts are hijacked by hucksters. 0.92

01:34:19.000 And then assholes come along and tell you, Sam, I've got the secret to you living a happy, successful life. 0.94

01:34:26.000 You can have everything you need by following my 12-step course. 0.99

01:34:32.000 And then someone pretends that they have this sort of attachment to this to the point where they've documented it and they know exactly how it works.

01:34:44.000 No, it's a feeling.

01:34:45.000 There's a thing to it.

01:34:46.000 It might be real.

01:34:48.000 There might be something to it.

01:34:49.000 But there's a lot of other stuff that has to be in place, too.

01:34:53.000 Like, if you want the perfect life, you want, like, to manifest this incredible existence, it also requires an immense amount of work.

01:35:01.000 It's not like you just fucking think it and dream it into being.

01:35:05.000 And maybe even a bit of luck. 0.99

01:35:06.000 A lot of luck!

01:35:07.000 But what is luck?

01:35:09.000 Maybe you're manifesting luck.

01:35:10.000 Is luck already destiny?

01:35:11.000 Luck is working hard to put yourself in good situations. 1.00

01:35:15.000 Yes, but also luck, because you can get hit by a fucking meteor. 1.00

01:35:18.000 That is true. 1.00

01:35:19.000 You could be a child and get killed in a drive-by.

01:35:22.000 Luck is real.

01:35:24.000 There's bad luck, there's good luck. 1.00

01:35:26.000 Shit happens. 1.00

01:35:27.000 That's real, too. 0.99

01:35:28.000 It's hard to say because it's all discussed by the winners.

01:35:34.000 I had a photo of a house that I put on my wall and that was my vision board and I made that a reality and I built this business from the ground up with my own thoughts.

01:35:45.000 Did you really?

01:35:46.000 Did you work too?

01:35:49.000 It's good to have this belief because that also gets you up in the morning and it fuels your discipline, right?

01:35:54.000 Because you have this firm belief that you're going to make it happen.

01:35:57.000 And then when you do make it happen, you're like, I dreamed it into existence.

01:36:01.000 But that wasn't the only piece of the puzzle.

01:36:02.000 Exactly.

01:36:03.000 But I think it is an important part of the piece of puzzle to see what you're focusing on.

01:36:08.000 It might be magic.

01:36:09.000 There might be something to it.

01:36:11.000 There might be magic.

01:36:11.000 There might be something to it, but it might be just an ingredient along with discipline and along with a plan and along with talent.

01:36:19.000 But there might be something to dreaming things into existence.

01:36:22.000 It's also, whatever you focus on will be what you work on.

01:36:26.000 Whatever you focus on, as an accountant, if you're always looking for errors, you're going to see all the wrongdoings in your life because you're looking for errors.

01:36:33.000 But if you're optimistic and you're always looking for positives, you're going to find more positives in your life.

01:36:37.000 Well, this speaks to what we were talking about earlier about being young and failing a lot.

01:36:41.000 If you concentrate on those failures, Then you think of yourself as a failure.

01:36:45.000 It's very dangerous for people because I've seen it with people where they have a few bad experiences like in high school, like they fall apart a few times and, you know, they lose jobs, they lose this, they lose that, and then they're a loser.

01:36:58.000 And then in their mind, they're a loser because they're concentrating only on those negative experiences they've had.

01:37:03.000 Instead of like getting past that and growing and say that was a valuable life experience and that's caused me to reevaluate and reassess the way I communicate and change the way I think and caused me to get up earlier and work harder and that made me a winner.

01:37:19.000 Because bad experiences are very valuable.

01:37:22.000 Like failing is very valuable.

01:37:23.000 Right. 0.99

01:37:24.000 Because it sucks. 0.99

01:37:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:37:27.000 When you were in jail, you're probably like, bro, this can't keep happening.

01:37:32.000 Right?

01:37:32.000 Let's switch up the content.

01:37:33.000 Let's go.

01:37:34.000 That's the good aspect of bad experiences is that it gives you like an incredibly powerful motivating tool.

01:37:42.000 So I don't know whether or not you can manifest things into existence.

01:37:46.000 But I'm not opposed to the idea totally.

01:37:49.000 I am opposed to the idea that it's the only thing.

01:37:51.000 I'm opposed to the idea like the secret.

01:37:55.000 Did you know the documentary The Secret?

01:37:58.000 There was a bunch of people that really believed that they were just going to think things into existence.

01:38:03.000 This is the saddest thing.

01:38:05.000 There was this girl who was friends with a friend of mine, and she was at the Comedy Store one night, and she's like, I am, you know, I am so happy because I found the secret and I'm going to meet the man of my dreams and I'm gonna have the career that I've always wanted.

01:38:20.000 I'm like, how are you gonna do that?

01:38:22.000 She's like, well, I just started following the secret.

01:38:25.000 And like, Oprah was, you know, talking about her on her show and all these people believe in this. 0.96

01:38:29.000 Like, hey, Oprah, you already fucking, you have the secret, alright? 0.98

01:38:32.000 You're already Oprah. 1.00

01:38:33.000 You're Oprah. 1.00

01:38:34.000 You can't just fucking start selling dreams. 0.99

01:38:37.000 So I didn't see this lady for like... 1.00

01:38:41.000 A couple of years.

01:38:42.000 And then I ran into her at another comedy show.

01:38:46.000 I'm like, hey, how you doing?

01:38:47.000 I haven't seen you in forever.

01:38:49.000 She was like, yeah, things aren't working out.

01:38:52.000 Like, I really thought that I was going to be able to control my life with a secret. 1.00

01:38:59.000 But, you know, my father is still a fucking loser. 1.00

01:39:02.000 And, you know, every guy I date's an idiot. 1.00

01:39:05.000 And, you know, I don't have the career that I wanted. 1.00

01:39:08.000 I was like, wow.

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 It's not that simple. 1.00

01:39:10.000 Shit ain't real. 1.00

01:39:11.000 It's so sad, too, because that's what I always think about when someone asks, like, oh, my God, I want to be a YouTuber. 0.99

01:39:17.000 Everyone wants to be a YouTuber now.

01:39:18.000 Of course.

01:39:19.000 Everyone wants to be on social media or TikTok, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's just easy.

01:39:22.000 You post a video or something like that.

01:39:24.000 But you don't realize how much work goes into it or how much you have to try and Be able to accept failure for months on months on months before you see anything.

01:39:34.000 It takes a certain type of person to put themselves out there, which is a whole other topic.

01:39:38.000 But it's so sad that this new generation is kind of like being born into where everybody has followers now.

01:39:44.000 When Sam and I were in high school and we started popping off on Vine, it was frowned upon.

01:39:49.000 We were not popular in high school whatsoever.

01:39:52.000 But now it seems like, yeah, kids just are born into that where they have...

01:39:56.000 You know, iPads at a super young age and have 10K on Instagram.

01:40:00.000 TikTok is weird because they just make you have large following so that you'll be addicted to it.

01:40:05.000 Right, right.

01:40:06.000 You know, I've heard kids talk about, I have 2,000 followers. 1.00

01:40:08.000 Like, they're fucking you, right? 1.00

01:40:10.000 They're lying to you. 1.00

01:40:11.000 Yeah.

01:40:11.000 And think about that.

01:40:12.000 They're just making you get more followers so that you get addicted.

01:40:15.000 Smart.

01:40:15.000 And think about, like, after you do get those followers, let's say you do have one viral video, and then you never get it again.

01:40:21.000 So you have, like, you had this one success and you're addicted to it, and you fail and fail and fail and fail.

01:40:26.000 How hard is that on the psyche to just be like, oh, I did it, and now I can never do it again.

01:40:31.000 And that's why, like, this viral concept nowadays with TikTok is, I feel like, even worse.

01:40:36.000 It's definitely weird.

01:40:38.000 Like, how about that dude with Cranberry Juice that's skateboarding with Mac?

01:40:41.000 Yeah.

01:40:41.000 That guy.

01:40:42.000 Try doing that again, buddy.

01:40:43.000 His life changed for like a month and then now he's like, oh.

01:40:45.000 Now it's back to normal.

01:40:47.000 Like he hit magic in a bottle with that one video.

01:40:50.000 It's like winning the lottery and then realizing your real life later on.

01:40:54.000 It's like winning the lottery for a hundred grand.

01:40:56.000 It's great to have a hundred grand, but then like, you know.

01:41:00.000 You can't retire off of that.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, I mean, you got to do something else.

01:41:03.000 Like something has to happen.

01:41:04.000 Right.

01:41:05.000 That guy was, like, on a television show, right?

01:41:07.000 Yeah, it was a show.

01:41:08.000 I'm looking at an article right now from a couple months ago.

01:41:11.000 Yeah, but the thing is, like, how long ago was that?

01:41:14.000 Was that a year and a half ago or so?

01:41:16.000 It was during the pandemic, so fall of 2020. Okay, so two years ago.

01:41:22.000 So two plus years ago, this dude does that.

01:41:25.000 Three years ago now, I guess.

01:41:26.000 So, yeah, man, it just goes away.

01:41:29.000 Yeah, I mean, there's been so many occurrences of that, like, throughout all time of social media.

01:41:35.000 420 dogfaces.

01:41:36.000 420 dogfaces.

01:41:37.000 Let's go.

01:41:38.000 8 million from that.

01:41:39.000 He's got tons of followers.

01:41:41.000 Oh my god, he's got 7.4 million followers and 122.6 million likes.

01:41:47.000 Management and everything, wow.

01:41:48.000 He's parlayed it.

01:41:49.000 So he has parlayed it.

01:41:51.000 But look at his new video, he has 11,000 views. 1.00

01:41:53.000 Like, that's bullshit. 0.99

01:41:54.000 Bro, we gotta do better. 1.00

01:41:57.000 Come on, man.

01:41:57.000 Some of these videos, look at that.

01:41:58.000 2,000 views.

01:41:59.000 1.7 mil here.

01:42:00.000 Oh, that one killed it.

01:42:02.000 So he's got... 1.00

01:42:03.000 He's got a fucking wig on him. 1.00

01:42:07.000 What is that? 1.00

01:42:07.000 It's Wednesday. 1.00

01:42:08.000 Oh, my God.

01:42:09.000 See, but you've got to keep trying.

01:42:11.000 Yeah, so he keeps trying.

01:42:13.000 That's good, though.

01:42:14.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:42:15.000 Well, obviously, that guy got a taste.

01:42:18.000 Right.

01:42:18.000 I mean, how many people watched that Fleetwood Mac video?

01:42:20.000 All of them.

01:42:21.000 Everyone.

01:42:23.000 The whole world.

01:42:24.000 Was it a Super Bowl commercial?

01:42:25.000 I think so.

01:42:25.000 Oh, really?

01:42:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:42:27.000 But that's also like one hit wonders with music, right?

01:42:30.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.95

01:42:31.000 Like, imagine you're at the top of the charts with one song, and then it fucking never happens again. 0.98

01:42:36.000 Never again. 0.92

01:42:37.000 There's a ton of those out there.

01:42:39.000 Tons.

01:42:39.000 Yeah, like, you're a rock star for one song.

01:42:42.000 And, like, they get conceited about it, too.

01:42:44.000 Like, they're all, like, sitting on a high horse for, like, a year.

01:42:47.000 Same with social media kids.

01:42:49.000 Like, we met so many kids, without saying names, of course, where they're, like...

01:42:53.000 I'm on this TikTok wave of like, oh yeah, I'm awesome now or like whatever.

01:42:57.000 Like I'm in the social media world and then like a year later and they're just nothing.

01:43:00.000 That's the trap.

01:43:01.000 This morning I saw this article of a girl who did, I think it was Musical.ly or something.

01:43:06.000 She had three plus million followers on Instagram and tried to come up with a merch line and only sold like 10 or 15 t-shirts.

01:43:14.000 And it was like, so yeah, you got all these people to follow you.

01:43:18.000 They're not fans of you.

01:43:20.000 What are you doing with this following?

01:43:22.000 And it's just so weird because a lot of people think that as soon as they have this one blow-up video, their life has changed forever.

01:43:27.000 But it's a lot of work to continue on.

01:43:30.000 But at least you got some spark.

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 The question is, what do you do with that spark?

01:43:37.000 How do you turn those embers into a roaring fire?

01:43:40.000 And some people figure it out and some people don't, but that's the beauty of what's happening now, is that folks like you, who don't have any experience in Hollywood, you don't even have backgrounds in doing musicals and plays, like all of a sudden,

01:43:56.000 you're in show business, right?

01:43:59.000 You guys are in, but it's like self-created show business.

01:44:02.000 But it's massively successful.

01:44:04.000 I mean, you guys have like, I've seen videos you have like, what's the most views one of your videos has?

01:44:10.000 Isn't it The Conjuring or Stanley?

01:44:11.000 Like 30 million or something. 0.99

01:44:12.000 That is fucking bonkers. 1.00

01:44:14.000 Crazy. 1.00

01:44:15.000 Stop and think about that. 1.00

01:44:16.000 Like if a movie has 30 million people going to see it, holy shit is that huge. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:44:21.000 That's gigantic. 0.99

01:44:23.000 Can't even imagine that.

01:44:24.000 If there's a television show, if a television show has 30 million views, that's gigantic.

01:44:29.000 Well, it's just you guys.

01:44:30.000 Just by yourself.

01:44:31.000 And we do all the editing ourselves as well.

01:44:33.000 We shoot everything ourselves.

01:44:34.000 So it's literally just us with a camera.

01:44:36.000 That's why we always claim we're not trying to force any information down anybody's throats.

01:44:40.000 We're not like a TV show.

01:44:42.000 We're like two kids from Kansas with a camera trying to just make cool things.

01:44:45.000 But it's also why it resonates.

01:44:47.000 That's why people are into it.

01:44:49.000 Because it doesn't seem like there's other people involved.

01:44:52.000 It seems like it's all you guys.

01:44:55.000 It feels like it's you guys.

01:44:57.000 So people who become fans of your show, they actually become fans of you.

01:45:01.000 Because they like hanging out with you guys.

01:45:03.000 They like hanging out with you guys while you freak out in a sanitarium.

01:45:05.000 Exactly.

01:45:06.000 Literally.

01:45:07.000 That's what we base our entire YouTube channel on.

01:45:10.000 The crazy adventures that we go on maybe are a spectacle.

01:45:16.000 But the reason why people are watching what we're doing is 80% of that video is just jokes.

01:45:21.000 Just hanging out with friends.

01:45:22.000 Our thing that we're promoting is shared experience with our friends.

01:45:26.000 We take all these different groups of friends all around the world, have a good time, and if something happens, it might be a life-changing experience.

01:45:34.000 And when those things do happen, you bond with those friends so much deeper than if you just went to a coffee shop.

01:45:41.000 I watched one last night with my daughter where you guys went to Romania.

01:45:44.000 You went to Dracula's castle.

01:45:44.000 Oh, wow.

01:45:45.000 Yeah.

01:45:46.000 So this is Vlad Tepes?

01:45:49.000 Is that really where he supposedly lived?

01:45:52.000 Or is one of his castles?

01:45:53.000 Is that what it was?

01:45:55.000 Yeah, one of.

01:45:56.000 I think his main castle was different, but he fought some battle there, and we also went to his death place.

01:46:03.000 But yeah, like...

01:46:04.000 How many people had died on that ground?

01:46:07.000 Probably thousands and thousands.

01:46:09.000 Yeah, for sure, right?

01:46:10.000 Yeah, the bottle of Dracula piss that you carried around with you.

01:46:16.000 When you're in that guy's area, this guy, for people who don't know, Dracula, the book by Bram Stoker and all the movies, were based on this man named Vlad the Impaler, who used to eat lunch while he had his enemies writhing on spikes in front of him.

01:46:35.000 He was notoriously a ruse, which by the way, Matt Stagg sent me this, that he had been captured by When he was younger, he had been imprisoned when he was younger and probably had been raped and tortured.

01:46:54.000 Yeah, that's one of the reasons why he was such a ruthless person.

01:46:58.000 When he was a very young man, I believe.

01:47:01.000 See if you can find that. 1.00

01:47:02.000 The guy is a monster. 0.88

01:47:04.000 There's so many people like that from history where you hear about what they did and you just... 0.98

01:47:04.000 Oh my god. 0.98

01:47:11.000 This is the gentleman.

01:47:12.000 Oh yeah.

01:47:14.000 You can reread that, I guess.

01:47:15.000 It says, when Vlad was called to a diplomatic meeting in 1442 with Sultan Murad II, he brought his young sons, Vlad III and Radu along, but the meeting was actually a trap.

01:47:27.000 All three were arrested and held hostage.

01:47:30.000 The elder Vlad was released under the condition that he leave his sons behind.

01:47:35.000 Oh, God.

01:47:37.000 Years of captivity.

01:47:39.000 Under the Ottomans, Vlad and his younger brothers were tortured.

01:47:42.000 Tutored, rather, in science, philosophy, and the arts.

01:47:45.000 Vlad also became a skilled horseman and warrior, according to some accounts.

01:47:48.000 However, he may have been imprisoned and tortured for part of that time, during which he would have witnessed the impalement of his, the Ottomans, enemies.

01:47:59.000 Scary.

01:48:00.000 There's even rumors that he would drink the blood of his enemies, which is why he gets compared to Dracula so much.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

01:48:08.000 Hold on, go back down a little bit.

01:48:11.000 The rest of Vlad's family, however, failed even worse.

01:48:14.000 His father was ousted as the ruler of, how do you say that word?

01:48:18.000 Wallachia?

01:48:19.000 Wallachia?

01:48:20.000 By local warlords.

01:48:22.000 And was killed in the swamps near Balteni, Wallachia in 1447. Vlad's older brother, Mercia, was tortured, blinded, and buried alive.

01:48:34.000 Jeez. 0.99

01:48:36.000 People were fucking rude. 0.99

01:48:38.000 Does Dracula mean Son of the Dragon? 0.99

01:48:41.000 Well, in Romania, they say it means devil now.

01:48:44.000 They call it Dracula.

01:48:45.000 They use that term interchangeable with devil.

01:48:50.000 That's what it used to mean?

01:48:51.000 Son of dragon was what it originally was, but nowadays they say it's devil.

01:48:55.000 Yeah.

01:48:56.000 Amazing that that guy then became what everybody thinks of as the guy with the slick back hair that's a vampire.

01:49:04.000 Did you guys watch the Bram Stoker movie?

01:49:04.000 The character.

01:49:04.000 Right.

01:49:07.000 Bram Stoker's Dracula?

01:49:07.000 Yeah.

01:49:08.000 Yeah.

01:49:09.000 With Gary Oldman? 1.00

01:49:09.000 Fucking great movie. 1.00

01:49:11.000 That's wild. 1.00

01:49:12.000 Yeah.

01:49:12.000 He literally created the character, I believe, of the vampire.

01:49:16.000 And like, well, there was films like, have you ever seen Nosferatu?

01:49:19.000 Sure.

01:49:19.000 That is honestly probably the scariest figure in my head.

01:49:24.000 And I want to say that was, what year was Nosferatu?

01:49:28.000 1922. Wow.

01:49:29.000 Damn, because that was a silent movie as well, I believe. 0.99

01:49:31.000 Yeah, it was silent. 0.99

01:49:32.000 I saw that movie at the public library when I was seven years old.

01:49:36.000 I hate this guy.

01:49:37.000 Yeah, oh my god, what a great monster movie, though. 0.94

01:49:40.000 Like, what a great character. 0.99

01:49:42.000 And he lived in coffins and shit and he was on a boat. 1.00

01:49:46.000 I hate it. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Yeah, that was the original vampire.

01:49:49.000 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 I mean, one of the best original of the scary movies.

01:49:53.000 What was that one?

01:49:54.000 It's a remake.

01:49:55.000 It's a different one?

01:49:56.000 Werner Herzog remake.

01:49:57.000 Oh, really?

01:49:58.000 Werner Herzog remade it? 0.99

01:49:59.000 No shit. 0.99

01:50:00.000 When did he do that? 1.00

01:50:01.000 I don't know.

01:50:01.000 That's what it says.

01:50:03.000 No kidding.

01:50:04.000 1922 remake, yeah.

01:50:05.000 2019. I never heard a peep about this.

01:50:08.000 Did you?

01:50:08.000 No.

01:50:10.000 Wow.

01:50:11.000 Huh.

01:50:12.000 Sure have not.

01:50:14.000 Okay.

01:50:15.000 You know, on that same trip, we went out to Romania, but I think right after Romania went to the Ukraine.

01:50:22.000 And that was probably one of our most terrifying experiences because in Odessa, there is this giant, like, labyrinth of catacombs underneath the city.

01:50:33.000 And it's basically like a mine.

01:50:35.000 They used all the limestone from underneath to build the entire city of Odessa in Ukraine.

01:50:40.000 But we...

01:50:43.000 Had some near and run-ins of, like, almost dying down there.

01:50:46.000 I mean, obviously you shouldn't go into the catacombs alone, but this is, like, one of our, like, exploring videos.

01:50:53.000 And, oh, my God, this story is crazy.

01:50:55.000 We met this random guy who was going to take us in because our original guide, like, broke his hand the night before, and he was like, oh, trust this dude.

01:51:03.000 He's done it before.

01:51:04.000 You should just go in the catacombs with this guy.

01:51:06.000 We're like, what? 1.00

01:51:07.000 So stupid. 1.00

01:51:08.000 Spoke broken English. 1.00

01:51:10.000 We did it.

01:51:12.000 We're like, all right, I mean, we need to get a video.

01:51:15.000 Let's go.

01:51:15.000 Like, why not?

01:51:16.000 Oh, my God.

01:51:17.000 So we're diving deep into this place and he turns to us at one point and he said, do you guys know how to get out?

01:51:25.000 And I was like, I mean, maybe.

01:51:27.000 He's like, no, you don't.

01:51:28.000 If I leave you right now, you would die.

01:51:32.000 And he just looks at us.

01:51:33.000 And we're like, please don't.

01:51:36.000 And he's like, I want to test something.

01:51:38.000 I'm going to go over there.

01:51:39.000 This is a circle.

01:51:40.000 You guys got to find your way back over to me, but I'm going to leave you alone.

01:51:43.000 And so we're like...

01:51:44.000 This is like a labyrinth, too.

01:51:46.000 This is a giant labyrinth.

01:51:47.000 I don't know if you've ever seen like catacombs. 1.00

01:51:48.000 So this guy has this shit all memorized? 1.00

01:51:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:51.000 So we're going in things like that the entire time.

01:51:54.000 And he asks us to go in basically a figure eight.

01:51:59.000 That's him right there in the blue.

01:52:01.000 And he's like, find me.

01:52:02.000 And if you don't find me, if I wanted to, I could leave.

01:52:05.000 I mean, he was a nice guy.

01:52:06.000 He wouldn't do it.

01:52:07.000 But...

01:52:08.000 He's just letting you know.

01:52:09.000 We realized at that point, oh god, we could die right now.

01:52:15.000 It was just absolutely terrifying.

01:52:16.000 All those markings on a wall was apparently a story of a guy that got trapped in there and kept seeing that figure, that little shadow figure on the wall.

01:52:25.000 And so he went crazy and wrote a ton of different things.

01:52:28.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:52:30.000 But what was really, really insane, I don't know exactly where this is in the video or else I'd show you, but...

01:52:37.000 He turns to us as we go and says, hey, let me walk ahead of you for this section.

01:52:42.000 I'm like, alright, why?

01:52:43.000 And he was like, um, because last week I almost got bombed here.

01:52:48.000 And I was like, what does that mean?

01:52:51.000 He was like, yeah, so me and the other guides that take people down here in those catacombs, we don't like each other.

01:52:58.000 And we don't like sharing clients.

01:53:00.000 So if I was able to kill off all the other people that were down here, then I'd get all the clientele.

01:53:06.000 And I was like, what? 0.78

01:53:08.000 What are we in here?

01:53:09.000 We've already been with this guy for two hours.

01:53:11.000 And he turns and he's like, let me show you something.

01:53:13.000 He goes behind this rock, pulls out a bomb.

01:53:18.000 A pipe bomb. 0.83

01:53:19.000 A pipe bomb.

01:53:19.000 Like a little thing.

01:53:20.000 With like a fuse on it.

01:53:21.000 And it was like, I found this because I almost triggered this four days ago.

01:53:28.000 And this would have killed me instantly.

01:53:30.000 And if this would have got that thing.

01:53:31.000 And it was booby trapped up there.

01:53:33.000 And he said, if you guys trigger those, the walls are caving in and we're all going to die.

01:53:40.000 And he was being 100% serious.

01:53:42.000 So nonchalant about it.

01:53:44.000 We thought we were like, no way, you're just joking with us.

01:53:46.000 He's like, no, if that goes off and you see another one, don't move at all.

01:53:51.000 I will try to disarm it and we'll keep going.

01:53:54.000 But the level of intensity for that night was so beyond anything, because we're like, okay, this is not just scary, we're getting lost, whatever.

01:54:03.000 We could die.

01:54:04.000 So they're murdering people for the guide business?

01:54:07.000 For the guide business.

01:54:09.000 It's crazy.

01:54:11.000 Makes no sense.

01:54:13.000 So what is the most danger you feel like you've ever been in?

01:54:16.000 Was it then?

01:54:18.000 Maybe then.

01:54:20.000 There was this one time that we got held at gunpoint.

01:54:25.000 Yeah, that was probably the most.

01:54:28.000 Really, really.

01:54:29.000 This was four days before our arrest, too.

01:54:32.000 Usually when we did the Explorer videos, abandoned videos, we would go and film like four to five, like in one stint.

01:54:32.000 So it's on the same...

01:54:38.000 So this was like our Florida trip.

01:54:40.000 We land, it's like 8 a.m., 9 a.m., and we're hitting like our first spot, which is this giant hotel, giant like hospital, something like that, right next to the highway.

01:54:49.000 And so basically we were just there to film our video, of course.

01:54:52.000 One of our main things back in the day was we had these Explorer stickers that we go put at the top of each one of these buildings.

01:54:58.000 And so we made our way to the roof and probably spent a little bit too much time on top of the building where everybody could see us.

01:55:06.000 And so we knew we already had to, you know, lay low as we were like leaving and we're leaving this building.

01:55:12.000 And as we go out, we see a lady on the property with an orange vest and she's walking towards us. 1.00

01:55:19.000 You know, we can do anything.

01:55:20.000 We just decided to run.

01:55:22.000 And so we ran the opposite direction and there was like a little fence that we could hop behind us.

01:55:26.000 And so we hopped it into what we thought was like a private property of like an office building space.

01:55:31.000 There was like big buildings and like a big parking lot and stuff.

01:55:35.000 Literally this.

01:55:36.000 Like that's where we're at. 0.83

01:55:38.000 And as we're trying to leave this like office building, what we thought, we had four officers run up to us right here, where this is like the front gate with guns saying like, get on the ground, like, you guys are so fucked, like all this stuff that we, we were like, whoa, whoa, we've, We've been doing abandon forever. 0.73

01:55:54.000 We've been caught before, but never been held at gunpoint. 0.62

01:55:57.000 Calls in, and then two or three more cops come in and circle us.

01:56:01.000 Yeah, serious.

01:56:02.000 And the one guy is standing far, because he's point or whatever, and then two other guys rush us. 1.00

01:56:06.000 They both take our heads and are like, you guys are absolutely fucked. 0.99

01:56:10.000 They put me and just shove my face up against this fence and grind it up against us. 1.00

01:56:15.000 Like, I don't care who you are. 1.00

01:56:16.000 You guys are fucked. 1.00

01:56:17.000 You're going to go to jail. 1.00

01:56:17.000 I got you. 1.00

01:56:18.000 And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:56:19.000 What is going on?

01:56:21.000 Like, what?

01:56:21.000 We were just...

01:56:22.000 Filming our daily videos that we always do.

01:56:25.000 Like, what's going on?

01:56:25.000 And they're like, why are you at the school?

01:56:28.000 And we're like, what school?

01:56:31.000 And they're like, you just walked out of an elementary school with two backpacks, all black clothing, and cameras.

01:56:36.000 We had masks on and gloves and stuff like that.

01:56:38.000 And I was like, no, no, no.

01:56:39.000 We're at this abandoned place.

01:56:41.000 He's like, oh yeah, yeah, right. 1.00

01:56:43.000 You guys are fucked. 1.00

01:56:43.000 You guys are going to jail. 1.00

01:56:44.000 You're terrorists. 0.99

01:56:45.000 And we're like, what? 0.99

01:56:46.000 Yo, no, no, no, no.

01:56:47.000 This is not whatever.

01:56:49.000 Get on the ground.

01:56:50.000 And the two or three more cops show up.

01:56:52.000 You tell them, we've got video footage.

01:56:54.000 Just review the video footage, sir.

01:56:56.000 It is crazy.

01:56:57.000 So yeah, after getting screamed at in our faces and guns pointed, it was the first time I looked down the barrel of a gun, for sure.

01:57:04.000 And I was like, Okay, this is serious.

01:57:06.000 I need to not do this.

01:57:07.000 And they thought you were terrorists.

01:57:08.000 They thought we were terrorists.

01:57:08.000 Because they thought you were going to blow up a school or something.

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 Oh my God.

01:57:12.000 So was there someone else that was at the school?

01:57:15.000 No.

01:57:16.000 Well, I mean, the school part was on the other property and it was in session.

01:57:20.000 It was like an elementary school that was fine.

01:57:22.000 We were in an abandoned hospital on the other lot.

01:57:24.000 So was there just some crossed wires in terms of like how someone was reporting what was going on?

01:57:30.000 Yeah, I guess.

01:57:31.000 I think what they just saw was, like, two random guys, you know, protect, like, you know, they have to protect their elementary school.

01:57:38.000 They're seeing two guys that are, like, older with black clothing on, backpacks, and they're, like, assume the worst immediately.

01:57:45.000 It makes sense.

01:57:46.000 It makes sense.

01:57:47.000 It's a code red.

01:57:48.000 Code red.

01:57:48.000 For sure.

01:57:49.000 We were in the wrong.

01:57:50.000 But we just didn't know we were in the wrong.

01:57:52.000 Got it, I got it, I got it.

01:57:54.000 So we learned that they were just school officers.

01:57:59.000 Honestly, I don't know how they had even weapons on them.

01:58:01.000 Doesn't make any sense.

01:58:02.000 But they ended up calling the deputies and the sheriff of the actual police.

01:58:08.000 And then the sheriff came over and was like, what's the situation, boys?

01:58:12.000 We explained.

01:58:13.000 We were just exploring that, not the school or whatever.

01:58:16.000 And he was just like, you're free to go.

01:58:18.000 And two days later, we got arrested.

01:58:19.000 So if we didn't take that as a bad sign.

01:58:22.000 No, not even two days later.

01:58:24.000 So after that, we were like, heart's pumping, it's going crazy.

01:58:27.000 We hop in the car, go to our next abandoned spot, film that one.

01:58:30.000 Wow!

01:58:31.000 45 minutes after.

01:58:33.000 Onto the next, onto the next.

01:58:34.000 We're like, this ain't going to stop us.

01:58:35.000 Let's go!

01:58:37.000 Okay, but what about in terms of being in a haunted environment?

01:58:37.000 Oh my god.

01:58:42.000 When have you felt like you were the most in danger?

01:58:46.000 Ooh, Devil's Chair is a crazy story.

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:49.000 Okay, so since we've been doing this a long time, it takes more and more for us to feel like we're in danger.

01:58:55.000 A lot of the times when we're getting these things...

01:58:57.000 Like I said at the beginning, it's more exciting.

01:58:59.000 It's more like, if I can somehow prove to myself that this exists, then I'm intrigued.

01:59:04.000 But this time, I was definitely not intrigued.

01:59:07.000 You said you went to Zach Bagans' museum?

01:59:09.000 Yes.

01:59:10.000 How did you like that?

01:59:11.000 Well, the museum's amazing.

01:59:13.000 It's incredible that it's two hours long.

01:59:15.000 I heard it was a house in Vegas, and then it's a two-hour tour.

01:59:19.000 I'm like, how?

01:59:20.000 Yeah.

01:59:21.000 How's a two hour tour? 0.99

01:59:22.000 There's so much shit there. 0.99

01:59:25.000 Right. 1.00

01:59:26.000 And there's so many things from serial killers and so many different like haunted pieces of memorabilia. 0.98

01:59:34.000 And there's the bed where Lamar Odom had a fucking overdose, which is weird. 0.95

01:59:39.000 Like, why is this here? 0.99

01:59:40.000 We ended up laying in that.

01:59:42.000 We were the first to lay in that ever.

01:59:45.000 The first?

01:59:46.000 I don't think so.

01:59:49.000 No, after sitting in it, we're like, what are we sitting in?

01:59:53.000 That was kind of gross.

01:59:54.000 What type of liquids are there?

01:59:56.000 A lot.

01:59:57.000 But imagine gathering all that stuff and putting it in one place.

02:00:01.000 Right, right.

02:00:02.000 I wonder how that's affected Zach.

02:00:05.000 Because, like, what is that box in the center?

02:00:09.000 The Dibbock box.

02:00:10.000 Yeah.

02:00:10.000 What is that?

02:00:11.000 What's the story behind that?

02:00:13.000 So the Dibbock in, like, Jewish folklore is apparently, like, a wandering spirit. 1.00

02:00:18.000 A lot of people say it's a demon.

02:00:19.000 That's you guys.

02:00:20.000 That's me.

02:00:23.000 Okay, they're talking about the Dybbuk box?

02:00:25.000 Maybe a little picture of it.

02:00:26.000 But yeah, so anyway, so apparently this Dybbuk box is said to be able to trap a spirit inside of it and that way it's not gonna be haunting a location.

02:00:36.000 I don't know exactly because a lot of these Dybbuk boxes are now like just fake random things that people put around. 1.00

02:00:46.000 This one in particular...

02:00:48.000 I think it was like the most rare, like the original one, like where the idea came from.

02:00:52.000 And that's why people say it's like the most haunted box in the world.

02:00:55.000 And whether or not you believe that, there has been so many people that have touched that box and immediately passed out.

02:01:01.000 Or said as soon as they walked in, they had bad luck for the next week.

02:01:05.000 Even like, I know Post Malone always talks about his story.

02:01:09.000 He talked about it on this podcast.

02:01:11.000 Oh yeah?

02:01:11.000 Yeah, if you go to the Zacks Museum, it's him...

02:01:14.000 On the podcast, they played a video of him talking about his experiences.

02:01:19.000 Oh, I remember seeing that.

02:01:19.000 Oh, it was here.

02:01:20.000 There it is. 0.94

02:01:22.000 So, when I was there, there's a feeling when you go in that room that I'm saying to myself, okay, Am I mindfucking myself?

02:01:33.000 Is this me going, oh, this box is haunted, so you should feel weird? 0.99

02:01:39.000 Is this bullshit? 0.99

02:01:41.000 But it didn't feel good. 1.00

02:01:43.000 It felt like, oh, I should probably get the fuck up. 0.60

02:01:46.000 That's what I felt. 0.84

02:01:48.000 When I was around that box, I was like, I don't think I want to be here.

02:01:52.000 But was that because it's...

02:01:55.000 I mean, the setting is really cool.

02:01:57.000 What he's done with that museum...

02:01:59.000 It's really fun.

02:02:00.000 I recommend it.

02:02:01.000 If you're in Vegas and you got some time during the day and you don't feel like blowing all your money at the slot machines, go there because it's really entertaining.

02:02:09.000 Super cool.

02:02:10.000 And the tour is very cool.

02:02:12.000 They do a great job with the tour, but there's so much stuff there. 0.94

02:02:16.000 There's so much haunted shit and so much memorabilia, even if you don't believe in ghosts. 0.87

02:02:22.000 I mean, they have memorabilia from Ted Bundy and Charles Manson and Ed Gain and all... 0.99

02:02:31.000 Celebrities that have passed, not even from serial killers, but just... 0.99

02:02:34.000 They have the bus where the fucking Dr. Death was killing people in it. 0.99

02:02:40.000 What's his name? 0.99

02:02:41.000 Yeah.

02:02:43.000 No.

02:02:43.000 What is his name?

02:02:46.000 Assisted suicide guy, right?

02:02:47.000 Yeah, that guy.

02:02:49.000 Kevorkian.

02:02:49.000 Yeah, Jack Kevorkian.

02:02:51.000 Yeah, they have his fucking van. 1.00

02:02:53.000 They have his van. 1.00

02:02:54.000 There's Volkswagen bus, which is bizarre. 0.99

02:02:57.000 There's so much weird shit in that museum that you walk out and you're like... 0.98

02:03:02.000 You get out of there and you're like... 0.99

02:03:04.000 And you saw the clips they play.

02:03:06.000 They literally play clips there of people fainting and projectile vomiting and stuff.

02:03:10.000 So it puts in your mind the first five minutes that this is going to be horrible.

02:03:14.000 No, there's legit footage of people that are patrons that are just customers who go there and faint.

02:03:21.000 Often, too.

02:03:22.000 And the day that we rolled up, someone was being wheeled out on a stretcher.

02:03:26.000 I was like, what is going on? 0.99

02:03:29.000 Well, it's the mindfuck, right? 0.99

02:03:31.000 Because, like, if you're someone who's got a fragile mind and then you're in that room alone, you know, with that box, just that alone. 0.99

02:03:39.000 And what's the doll, the haunted doll?

02:03:42.000 Peggy.

02:03:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:43.000 Peggy.

02:03:44.000 You can't look her in the eyes.

02:03:45.000 Peggy's creepy. 0.95

02:03:46.000 Peggy's very creepy. 1.00

02:03:47.000 Peggy's creepy. 0.95

02:03:48.000 But just the way they set it up.

02:03:52.000 How it's all the music and the dark rooms and the weird lighting that's flickering.

02:03:57.000 He does a great job with it.

02:04:00.000 It's fun.

02:04:01.000 It's a good time.

02:04:02.000 But the whole time you're saying, how much of this is just my mind playing tricks on me?

02:04:09.000 And there's definitely a part of that to every haunted location you go into.

02:04:14.000 You know what you're getting yourself into.

02:04:15.000 And so you're kind of expecting and or opening yourself up to having those types of experiences.

02:04:21.000 Has there ever been a time where you knew that you were opening yourself up to these things, but it still shocked you?

02:04:27.000 Tell them about Devil's Chair.

02:04:28.000 That's crazy.

02:04:29.000 Yeah.

02:04:29.000 At that location, just, you know, for example, so in Zach Bagan's museum, one of the most, if not the most haunted object in the whole museum, I don't know if you saw it, probably did, the Devil's Rocking Chair.

02:04:40.000 Yes.

02:04:40.000 There it is.

02:04:41.000 So we actually were able to sit.

02:04:43.000 He gave us permission.

02:04:44.000 We were the first people besides him and his team to sit in this chair.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, so basically, that was the only exhibit that he's ever had to close down.

02:04:53.000 They're terrified.

02:04:55.000 Look at their faces!

02:04:56.000 Look at their faces!

02:04:59.000 That looks so real!

02:05:01.000 Like, why did you bring us here?

02:05:02.000 Were they with you guys?

02:05:04.000 Yes.

02:05:04.000 Oh my god.

02:05:05.000 Yeah, he had shut down that exhibit specifically because a lot of people were complaining about getting nauseous or throwing up or something like that.

02:05:16.000 It's apparently the only artifact that he had to close off in that museum.

02:05:21.000 But for some reason, he was super nice to us and was like, guys, besides me, no one's sat in that since the exorcism that had occurred on that chair.

02:05:29.000 So if you guys want to...

02:05:31.000 You guys can sit in it for the first time ever.

02:05:34.000 And that was one of those times, like, we're down to push the limit and stuff like that, but that was one of those times that I actually, like, gather myself and be like, we can do it.

02:05:44.000 Like, let's figure this out.

02:05:45.000 Let's, like, not actually, like, overthink about it.

02:05:50.000 So what is...

02:05:51.000 What are you talking to?

02:05:54.000 Like when you're saying you've gone too far, like you have headphones on and you have your blindfold on.

02:05:59.000 Yeah.

02:05:59.000 So what's going on?

02:06:00.000 So this is one of like our favorite experiments.

02:06:03.000 It's called the Estes Method.

02:06:04.000 It relies on the theory that if you take away certain senses, other ones are enhanced.

02:06:09.000 And so there's this thing called a spirit box that like shuffles through different radio frequencies.

02:06:16.000 And what I'm doing is I'm like focusing on like whatever it says.

02:06:19.000 And I can't hear the questions that Colby and other people...

02:06:23.000 You're hearing something in your ears?

02:06:24.000 Yeah, where I'm hearing radio static basically.

02:06:27.000 It's going ch-ch-ch. 0.99

02:06:29.000 Really, really...

02:06:29.000 Hello.

02:06:30.000 Every once in a while we'll break into a radio station where it'll be like a song or something that like will be something saying or like just a word will pop out.

02:06:37.000 But mostly you just hear static.

02:06:39.000 And these are like noise-canceling headphones and I can't see what they're saying.

02:06:43.000 So it's basically...

02:06:43.000 You're blindfolded.

02:06:44.000 You have this thing on.

02:06:45.000 It's static.

02:06:46.000 And occasionally sounds come through their words.

02:06:50.000 And so you're just repeating those words?

02:06:50.000 Correct.

02:06:52.000 Well, so I'm out.

02:06:53.000 I'm, like, watching him, and I'm asking questions out, and whatever's there is supposed to use the Estes method or, like, use Sam basically as the vessel to speak out.

02:07:02.000 The conduit of...

02:07:04.000 So, for example, I'd be like, like, are you here right now?

02:07:06.000 And then he'd be like, yes, over there, or something like that.

02:07:09.000 And so you're in this haunted rocking chair, and you're using this method with blindfolds on and the earplugs.

02:07:16.000 Yeah, basically to sensory deprive myself so that no matter what, I couldn't be just faking an answer and hearing what he said and say something random.

02:07:24.000 So the theory is, yes, there will be other random words that happen because it's radio frequencies.

02:07:29.000 However, down to the coincidence theory, if things make sense over and over and over again to the questions that he's asking, then that is said to be more paranormal.

02:07:40.000 So what did it feel like for you to be sitting in that creepy chair?

02:07:44.000 So during that, it was a whole different world.

02:07:47.000 But what was really, really interesting is like, like Colby said, after doing this a lot, like it takes a lot for us to have a physical reaction.

02:08:01.000 Yeah.

02:08:13.000 I think ever gave me a feeling of almost being paralyzed.

02:08:17.000 I don't know if you've ever been hypnotized.

02:08:19.000 Have you ever been hypnotized?

02:08:20.000 So the feeling of being in hypnosis was almost immediate as soon as I sat down there.

02:08:26.000 Not when I was doing that experiment, but prior to that.

02:08:30.000 Where I couldn't necessarily feel my legs as much.

02:08:34.000 And yes, if you gave me an ultimatum, if you have to stand up right now or you're going to die, I could stand up.

02:08:41.000 But if you've been under hypnosis, it's like this pressure that you probably shouldn't do this or that your mind is being swayed to do something else.

02:08:48.000 And to me, that pressure was don't stand up.

02:08:51.000 So you felt like you were under a spell.

02:08:53.000 Yeah.

02:08:54.000 And, like, the same thing with hypnosis.

02:08:56.000 Like, I've been hypnotized before, and, like I said, if everything in my being wanted to stand up, yeah, I can stand up, or I can not listen to, like, what's happening.

02:09:04.000 However, if you allow yourself to, like, feel that, the feeling was paralyzing.

02:09:09.000 And, like, I, like, run a lot, so I always, like, use this as an example.

02:09:14.000 It felt as though, within seconds of sitting down on that chair, I had run 5-10 miles.

02:09:19.000 Like, it felt like I was sore, and, like, my legs were, like, really, you know, like the...

02:09:24.000 Almost like sluggish feeling to your muscles after a big workout.

02:09:29.000 That's what I felt almost immediately.

02:09:31.000 It was so bizarre and I'd never felt like that before and still to this day, since that share, I had never felt like that either.

02:09:39.000 So when it comes to all of your paranormal experiences, that chair was the freakiest to you?

02:09:45.000 That chair was the most physically changing.

02:09:48.000 Again, I think the freakiest moments are always at the beginning because it's the first time you ever hear anything.

02:09:54.000 So that Queen Mary story was what changed my psyche the most.

02:09:57.000 That one was the most physically reacting.

02:09:59.000 Don't forget about the Robert the Doll.

02:10:01.000 Location, though.

02:10:03.000 I've never seen Sam almost throw up from...

02:10:05.000 And that was a huge physical reaction.

02:10:07.000 That just happened.

02:10:09.000 Is this a new one?

02:10:10.000 This is a newer one.

02:10:11.000 We just came out with it last month.

02:10:14.000 Apparently, Robert the Doll, if you don't know the story...

02:10:15.000 Have you ever heard of Annabelle?

02:10:17.000 Yes.

02:10:18.000 So Annabelle is a movie franchise.

02:10:19.000 It's based on a real doll.

02:10:21.000 So the real doll is apparently the second most haunted in the world, and Robert is the number one most haunted in the world.

02:10:28.000 Robert's more haunted than Annabelle?

02:10:29.000 Apparently.

02:10:30.000 That's what people say.

02:10:31.000 When's he getting his movie?

02:10:32.000 Exactly.

02:10:33.000 He's got plenty of movies about him.

02:10:34.000 Is that what it looks like?

02:10:34.000 He's just got a plain face?

02:10:36.000 He needs better agents.

02:10:37.000 They blurred it.

02:10:38.000 They blurred it?

02:10:39.000 Yeah.

02:10:40.000 We blurred it.

02:10:41.000 We blurred it for purposes, but if you want to just Google image it.

02:10:43.000 Why'd you blur?

02:10:45.000 It's because you're not supposed to take pictures or film it.

02:10:48.000 That's like the biggest no-no.

02:10:49.000 And we're obviously there filming a YouTube video.

02:10:51.000 And funny enough, like going back to Zach Bagans.

02:10:54.000 It's creepy looking.

02:10:54.000 Show it, Jamie.

02:10:56.000 If you stare Peggy in the eyes, like you get cursed.

02:10:59.000 And so it's the same thing with this doll.

02:11:01.000 And so we blurred it for our fans.

02:11:04.000 So your fans don't get cursed?

02:11:05.000 Are we getting cursed right now?

02:11:06.000 We could be. 1.00

02:11:07.000 What the fuck, Jamie? 1.00

02:11:08.000 Don't curse me. 1.00

02:11:09.000 Do you want me to show it on the show?

02:11:10.000 No!

02:11:12.000 We could all die.

02:11:14.000 No, what's interesting is obviously there's all those stories, whatever.

02:11:18.000 So what really gets us is when people have their own personal experiences that they come and talk about.

02:11:24.000 What we didn't realize is how many people had experiences with this doll.

02:11:28.000 They calculated to more than 10,000 people have written in apology letters to Robert to ask for forgiveness because of the curse that he put on them.

02:11:38.000 10,000 individuals. 0.95

02:11:41.000 Like, maybe even if 50% of those are bullshit, there are 5,000 people out there that genuinely believe they have been cursed by this doll by taking a picture of it. 0.98

02:11:50.000 Including Ozzy. 0.99

02:11:51.000 Ozzy Osbourne.

02:11:52.000 Ozzy wrote a letter?

02:11:52.000 What?

02:11:54.000 Yeah, well, it wasn't a letter.

02:11:56.000 Ozzy!

02:11:57.000 On his show?

02:11:58.000 He has Parkinson's right now, I believe.

02:12:01.000 And he blames that on Robert the Doll because the story is there's a big touristy shop at the end and he bought one of the little Robert the Doll plushies and put it in a microwave and just made fun of it and stuff.

02:12:14.000 And then claims that he got Parkinson's because of that.

02:12:18.000 Well, a lot of people get Parkinson's without that.

02:12:21.000 Ozzy Osbourne blames Year of Hell on Haunted Doll. 1.00

02:12:25.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:12:27.000 Look at him. 1.00

02:12:28.000 Oh my god.

02:12:30.000 The Black Sabbath rocker was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease last year and underwent spinal surgery following a fall at his home.

02:12:37.000 Makes the claim that his family's new reality TV show, the Osbournes want to believe.

02:12:44.000 The show sees his son Jack, 34, trying to persuade Ozzy, 71, mom Sharon, 68, and sister Kelly, 35, To believe in the paranormal, including ghosts, UFOs, fairies, and werewolves.

02:12:58.000 Fairies. 0.99

02:12:58.000 One episode sees Jack produce a doll named Robert that he reveals is the original doll that inspired the Chucky horror movie franchise. 0.99

02:13:06.000 Jack says the actual story of Robert the doll is that it's cursed by the spirit of his owner.

02:13:12.000 If you disrespect him, make fun of him, take a picture without asking, or even handle him, you'll be cursed.

02:13:18.000 Terrible things will begin to happen in your life. 1.00

02:13:20.000 Ozzy throws the doll to the floor saying, you think it's a fucking joke? 1.00

02:13:24.000 It's bad luck. 0.99

02:13:25.000 I keep telling you, you keep thinking it's fucking not, but just look at what I'm saying. 0.96

02:13:32.000 Just look at what's going on with me. 0.98

02:13:34.000 You think it's a joke?

02:13:36.000 Just look at me.

02:13:38.000 It ain't bad luck.

02:13:40.000 Is Ozzy in here right now?

02:13:41.000 I was gonna say, that was spot on. 1.00

02:13:43.000 Well, fuck that doll. 1.00

02:13:45.000 I don't need that doll in my life. 1.00

02:13:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:47.000 But that's why we blurred his face.

02:13:47.000 No, thank you.

02:13:49.000 Right, so you were in the presence of this doll.

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 And what is it like to be around this doll?

02:13:54.000 It's definitely weird, because we've been in a lot of haunted places, but it's different when you're dealing with haunted objects.

02:14:02.000 It's not like, oh, the building and the vibe we're in is haunted.

02:14:05.000 It's more like this specific thing that's in front of me.

02:14:08.000 And what is the story behind this doll?

02:14:10.000 Why is it supposedly haunted?

02:14:12.000 So this guy gave, it's like a three and a half foot tall doll.

02:14:18.000 It's like a life size type of doll.

02:14:19.000 It's really weird.

02:14:20.000 He gave it to his son.

02:14:22.000 And the son's name was Robert Otto.

02:14:25.000 It was like Gene Robert Otto.

02:14:27.000 Gene Robert Otto.

02:14:28.000 Or Robert Gene Otto.

02:14:30.000 And he gave his first name and his clothes to this doll.

02:14:34.000 And so the kid and the doll became best friends for years and years and years.

02:14:38.000 And he basically embodied this guy and just became Robert himself.

02:14:44.000 But over the course of his childhood and all the way up until I think he had left his parents' house to go to college, he would have horrible things happen to him because of this doll.

02:14:53.000 And this doll was allegedly taken from, like, Germany at this shop, the same...

02:14:59.000 It was called the Stife, the same company that created the original teddy bear.

02:15:04.000 Created this doll.

02:15:05.000 So, from the original teddy bear company, he brought this doll from Germany to give this guy in Florida.

02:15:09.000 And throughout his entire childhood, things were like...

02:15:14.000 Chairs would be moved.

02:15:15.000 All these horrible, bad luck things would happen.

02:15:18.000 To the parents, it would seem like he was arguing with someone in the room.

02:15:22.000 And they'd hear two voices.

02:15:24.000 And then when the parents would run into the room, it was just him and the doll.

02:15:27.000 Which is creepy because the parents would say that they heard their little kid's voice and then an older, deep man's voice.

02:15:33.000 Oh, Christ.

02:15:34.000 Talking back and forth.

02:15:35.000 And apparently that was Robert.

02:15:36.000 But the big theory about Robert is that he was also one of these egregore and an object sort of...

02:15:43.000 I don't know.

02:15:44.000 Puppets, I guess you could say.

02:15:44.000 Creatures, I guess.

02:15:46.000 Because Gene would always blame everything that he did wrong on the doll.

02:15:51.000 So if furniture would be all around his room or whatever, his parents would come try to ground him.

02:15:57.000 He'd be like, no, Robert did it!

02:15:58.000 And so all that negativity going towards this doll for his entire life...

02:16:03.000 Like, it's why people believe that it has, like, evil to it.

02:16:06.000 Like, it manifested this evil.

02:16:08.000 You imagine being outside your child's room, and you hear your kid talking, and then you hear someone responding.

02:16:15.000 Like an old man. 0.89

02:16:16.000 Just like a low voice.

02:16:18.000 No, that's not what we're gonna do, Billy.

02:16:21.000 I would cry instantly.

02:16:22.000 And then you open up the door and it's just a doll sitting there with your kid.

02:16:25.000 And it looks like that?

02:16:26.000 Yeah, that's a dead-faced doll, too.

02:16:29.000 There's something creepy about the lack of expression that doll has.

02:16:32.000 For real.

02:16:32.000 And the crazy thing, too, is our guides there were saying that it will swallow every once in a while.

02:16:38.000 You could see it blink and stuff.

02:16:40.000 Yeah.

02:16:40.000 Oh no.

02:16:41.000 Messed up.

02:16:42.000 What's crazy is like this same guy, he went off to be an artist and he did his whole career.

02:16:47.000 And when he was like in his older age, he came back to the house and for like 10 or 15 years, he kept this doll upstairs in his attic and put a whole like, you know, three foot version of his house upstairs.

02:17:00.000 So like a short couch and a short desk, all for Robert.

02:17:03.000 Oh my God.

02:17:06.000 Conversations for hours and hours on end.

02:17:08.000 So this old man is having this conversation with the doll in a smaller version of a living room.

02:17:14.000 So, so terrifying.

02:17:37.000 Gene would blame Robert the doll for messing up the bedroom, while Robert would glare at Gene from the foot of the bed.

02:17:46.000 Soon after, mutilated toys and mysterious happenings would appear in the home, only to have Gene proclaim each time, Here's the thing.

02:17:54.000 Imagine if that's real.

02:17:56.000 Right.

02:17:57.000 Like, what if, like, a demon can manifest itself inside of a doll occasionally? 0.96

02:18:02.000 Just every now and then, a little fucking opening in the dimensions pops out, and this thing manages to, and it can't assume a physical form, but it can sort of embody itself in some sort of an object, 0.96

02:18:18.000 like a doll, something cute. 0.96

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:21.000 Which is so terrifying, too, because, you know, when it's a little doll or something cute or whatever, like a lot of these things that you say is like a little girl spirit or something, it's like cute.

02:18:29.000 It's like, oh, it's innocent.

02:18:30.000 Like, I want to open up to that.

02:18:31.000 But then, boom, like, maybe it's not. 0.98

02:18:33.000 Well, that's why Chucky was such a fucking great movie. 0.90

02:18:36.000 You know, to have that thing. 0.98

02:18:36.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:18:39.000 I mean, well, this doll, I think, is what's said to have been inspired.

02:18:43.000 Or, like, Chucky inspired, got inspired from...

02:18:46.000 And the Annabelle movie is about a real doll, too?

02:18:49.000 So that's a real doll that's in Ed and Lorraine Warren's museum that they've kept...

02:18:49.000 Yeah.

02:18:55.000 Like, away for many years.

02:18:57.000 They even have a priest once a day come and bless the doll because they're scared of what it does to people.

02:19:01.000 One time every day?

02:19:02.000 I think every single day, yeah.

02:19:03.000 Maybe the priest, he's got a racket going on.

02:19:05.000 Listen, I gotta keep coming back.

02:19:07.000 Can we see if Annabelle the doll, what it really looks like?

02:19:11.000 The real haunted Annabelle doll?

02:19:13.000 It looks like a ragdoll. 0.99

02:19:15.000 It's the same thing, right?

02:19:16.000 So that's it?

02:19:17.000 Yeah, I think that's it.

02:19:18.000 Well, that's not nearly as creepy as Annabelle in the movie.

02:19:20.000 That's like Raggedy Annabelle. 0.98

02:19:21.000 That seems pretty normal.

02:19:23.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

02:19:25.000 Annabelle in the movie is fucking horrible looking. 1.00

02:19:28.000 The real Annabelle doll. 0.99

02:19:30.000 Now look at Annabelle in the movie. 1.00

02:19:31.000 Jesus Christ, Annabelle in the movie is so terrifying.

02:19:35.000 So, they did a great job in making her creepier.

02:19:38.000 Very much so.

02:19:39.000 Very good job.

02:19:40.000 There's a few of those Annabelle movies, right?

02:19:42.000 If they made the whole movie with that thing, that would be creepy, too.

02:19:45.000 Oh, my.

02:19:46.000 It would be weird.

02:19:47.000 It would have been weird. 1.00

02:19:47.000 I wouldn't be scared of that bitch-ass Raggedy Ann. 1.00

02:19:50.000 Go say that to her face. 1.00

02:19:53.000 I'd be like, sit down, shut up before I light you on fire. 1.00

02:19:55.000 I thought about Chucky. 0.96

02:19:56.000 Yeah, but Annabelle, the one on the left freaks me out.

02:19:59.000 Yeah, that's freaky.

02:20:00.000 When we were by Robert the Doll, just to finish that story, so we all split up, like Colby's saying, like recently we've been splitting up a lot.

02:20:10.000 To scare each other more, right?

02:20:11.000 Just to scare each other more, you know.

02:20:13.000 But part of the museum, so the entire museum is kind of like Zach Bain's museum.

02:20:17.000 It has a bunch of different artifacts, and it was a fort, actually, for a warm blanking on which one.

02:20:23.000 What museum is this?

02:20:23.000 It's called Fort East Martello, and it's mainly just filled with a bunch of haunted objects.

02:20:28.000 And where's that at?

02:20:29.000 It's in the Keys.

02:20:30.000 Yeah.

02:20:30.000 Florida Keys?

02:20:31.000 Yeah.

02:20:32.000 Key West.

02:20:33.000 So, there's a section of this fort that used to store all the bodies that, like, had died during, you know, whatever said war it was.

02:20:42.000 And I was walking down through this corridor, and we were there for probably, like, 30 minutes or something like that.

02:20:48.000 Definitely hearing sounds.

02:20:49.000 A lot of, like, weird, creepy things.

02:20:51.000 Again, sometimes the equipment goes off, and that's definitely interesting.

02:20:54.000 It was definitely putting me on edge.

02:20:56.000 But I had a feeling that I'd never gotten before.

02:20:58.000 And out of actually, like, nowhere, I hadn't I felt nauseous or anything like that.

02:21:04.000 Out of nowhere, I just turn the corner and I'm looking down this hallway and I just immediately start dry heaving.

02:21:10.000 I'm gagging, throwing up or whatever like that.

02:21:14.000 It wasn't even for...

02:21:16.000 I wasn't even thinking about the video.

02:21:16.000 I don't know.

02:21:18.000 I just immediately left the area.

02:21:19.000 I didn't even think about it.

02:21:20.000 I walk outside and the tour guide or whatever is on the outside of the premise and he sees me and he's like, dude, your face is white.

02:21:27.000 What went on?

02:21:28.000 I was like, I truly don't know.

02:21:29.000 I've never had...

02:21:30.000 A reaction like nauseousness or anything like that and I genuinely just like out of nowhere gagged probably like 10 times.

02:21:36.000 Dry heaved.

02:21:37.000 Nothing came up.

02:21:38.000 It was just like weirdly dry heaving.

02:21:40.000 Yeah, it was like disgusting.

02:21:43.000 But what was scary is like so it was me and my buddy Nate that who we know since high school like he's been one of our best friends forever.

02:21:49.000 So we've known Sam since he was 15 type thing.

02:21:52.000 We've both never seen Sam ever act like that.

02:21:54.000 It got so bad that Nate and I were doing our own individual investigations, and the guide came and got me, and was just like, yo, you should go check on your buddy outside.

02:22:04.000 He's throwing up outside.

02:22:05.000 And I run out there, and what people don't always forget about is it doesn't just affect us in the moment, but we get done filming, and we have these things called paranormal hangovers where it affects us for a long time.

02:22:19.000 Like days after, but this is, yeah, the moment.

02:22:21.000 Paranormal hangover.

02:22:22.000 Paranormal hangover.

02:22:24.000 The world's most haunted doll.

02:22:26.000 He's just gagging.

02:22:27.000 So this is after being in Robert's presence?

02:22:30.000 Yeah, this is the end of the night.

02:22:32.000 How close were you to Robert?

02:22:33.000 So they unfortunately wouldn't let us touch it.

02:22:36.000 Unfortunately.

02:22:37.000 We're crazy.

02:22:38.000 How about fortunately? 0.94

02:22:39.000 We're crazy.

02:22:40.000 Probably fortunately.

02:22:41.000 They put like a plexiglass, yeah, right there.

02:22:44.000 It's probably about a two and a half ago.

02:22:45.000 So he's buying that glass.

02:22:47.000 Yeah.

02:22:47.000 And this is all in the keys.

02:22:49.000 Is that place as cool as Zach's museum?

02:22:51.000 I would say that specific doll is super, super famous, but Zach has definitely put on a cooler environment.

02:22:59.000 Zach has way more.

02:23:01.000 Way more.

02:23:01.000 Like hundreds of more things.

02:23:03.000 Two hours of stuff that you walk through in a house.

02:23:08.000 It's pretty impressive, but this seems pretty creepy, too.

02:23:10.000 Yeah, you gotta see this place, too.

02:23:12.000 It's super awesome.

02:23:14.000 Did you say it used to be a fort?

02:23:16.000 Yeah.

02:23:17.000 It looks like a fort.

02:23:18.000 It looks pretty dope.

02:23:19.000 And so you encounter Robert and then you start...

02:23:23.000 What is the feeling?

02:23:25.000 Was it immediate?

02:23:27.000 No.

02:23:27.000 So I left Robert, and I went off my own.

02:23:30.000 And that was probably 30 minutes from the time I was even near Robert to the other area.

02:23:34.000 So we don't know.

02:23:35.000 But the theory goes, afterwards, we're talking to the tour guide and be like, what could have that been?

02:23:40.000 Was that Robert?

02:23:40.000 And he's like, maybe.

02:23:42.000 But the people that were buried there in that corridor died of yellow fever.

02:23:48.000 Or most of them did.

02:23:49.000 And the last little part of yellow fever is like you're throwing up blood over and over and over again.

02:23:56.000 Black blood, yeah.

02:23:57.000 Black blood and gold or whatever like that, and then you die. 0.91

02:23:59.000 So like you're experiencing their last moments?

02:24:04.000 Yeah, so like the traumatic energy of the last breaths and the last times of all these people's lives was then reflected onto me. 0.99

02:24:13.000 That might even be more fucked than Robert. 0.97

02:24:15.000 I definitely think so, because the yellow fever, if you dive into that, is gruesome. 0.97

02:24:21.000 Like I was telling you about my stepdad having that experience at Gettysburg, I would imagine that if enough people will die in an area, if that's real, if things can have a memory, you would think that there would be something that just lingers on.

02:24:37.000 The last moments of your life, you're throwing up blood and you're realizing this is the end.

02:24:42.000 You're in agony.

02:24:44.000 And you don't want to leave.

02:24:45.000 That's the thing.

02:24:46.000 If your last moment alive is like, I don't want to die, then what if you accidentally trap yourself?

02:24:51.000 I don't know.

02:24:52.000 If you can't relax and say, I'm ready, I'm ready to go, you're not ready for the next part.

02:24:52.000 Right.

02:24:58.000 It gets so meta and confusing because then, yeah, it's like if you're religious, it's like, well, you would go to heaven, but it's like, how do you know?

02:25:06.000 Spirits don't have the opportunity to walk around earth for a little bit before they move on to the light.

02:25:11.000 I don't know.

02:25:12.000 I'd be God if I knew.

02:25:13.000 Right. 0.95

02:25:14.000 Maybe there's like a consciousness to being a spirit and maybe you got to get your shit together as a spirit before they let you go on. 0.99

02:25:20.000 And maybe some spirits are just losers and they just can't. 0.99

02:25:23.000 They just can't figure it out.

02:25:25.000 They can't accept the fact that they're a spirit.

02:25:26.000 There's no promotion involved.

02:25:28.000 Oh man.

02:25:28.000 What did it feel like to look at Robert?

02:25:32.000 That was really weird because when we came into the museum, they had it covered.

02:25:37.000 So they had like a cloth over it and they offered us like, do you want to see it?

02:25:41.000 We're like, no, we want to wait until we're on camera first.

02:25:43.000 And, you know, again, back to this hype up, we had been researching this for the last like week.

02:25:48.000 We'd heard all the horror stories.

02:25:50.000 We just heard about the 10,000 apology letters and they even had us like read some of them.

02:25:54.000 And then we get to look at it.

02:25:55.000 It was like definitely like we shouldn't be here.

02:25:58.000 It wasn't like I didn't think immediately we were in danger.

02:26:01.000 However, Disrespect or take pictures.

02:26:13.000 Disrespectful.

02:26:17.000 You hear that if you take a picture of this doll you're going to get cursed.

02:26:20.000 Let's test that theory.

02:26:21.000 We didn't know.

02:26:22.000 And so we were like, all right, as soon as we see this doll, let's take a picture.

02:26:25.000 And throughout the night, we'll see what happens.

02:26:26.000 There definitely was things that have happened, but the main gist of it was like, do we feel cursed after we took this picture?

02:26:33.000 It's so easy for someone to dismiss that, right?

02:26:35.000 But if there was just one doll, one doll that was haunted, all the other dolls are fine.

02:26:42.000 Dolls are fine.

02:26:43.000 What's wrong with you?

02:26:44.000 Come on, Sam.

02:26:45.000 Dolls are normal.

02:26:46.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:26:46.000 But then one fucking doll, just one doll, you look at that doll and there's something inside of that doll. 1.00

02:26:51.000 Oof. 1.00

02:26:52.000 Yeah, you see it winking.

02:26:53.000 How do you explain that to somebody?

02:26:54.000 Everybody else looks away and it just goes like a...

02:26:57.000 Oh, God.

02:26:57.000 Exactly.

02:26:58.000 Or you see it go...

02:26:59.000 Yeah.

02:27:00.000 You see it swallow. 1.00

02:27:01.000 Then you're the crazy one. 0.87

02:27:02.000 Did you guys ever go to the Amityville Horror House? 0.99

02:27:05.000 They don't let you in there.

02:27:07.000 We've been trying to contact the owners for like years.

02:27:09.000 Really?

02:27:10.000 Yeah.

02:27:11.000 If they aren't going to invite, let's do it.

02:27:13.000 I think so.

02:27:13.000 Do people live in that house?

02:27:14.000 I think it's just not even a business. 1.00

02:27:16.000 It's just people live there and are like, fuck off. 0.99

02:27:18.000 I think that's one of the places that they change the address in the street so that people can find it. 0.99

02:27:23.000 Oh, but it's very recognizable because of the window pattern.

02:27:28.000 Right.

02:27:28.000 The way the windows look.

02:27:29.000 That movie scared the shit out of me.

02:27:31.000 Same.

02:27:32.000 When I was a kid.

02:27:33.000 How much of that is like the movie is based on the truth or is it just made up?

02:27:37.000 Remember like you broke through the wall? 0.98

02:27:39.000 And he went to the other side and there was like a demon behind the wall or some shit. 0.80

02:27:45.000 I saw that movie when I was like 10 years old. 0.88

02:27:48.000 Yeah, it was a long time ago.

02:27:49.000 It's a very vague recollection.

02:27:51.000 How old was that movie?

02:27:52.000 Amityville Horror.

02:27:54.000 Let's see, book 77, movie 79. Okay, so I was like...

02:27:58.000 The murders happened in 74. Wow.

02:28:02.000 Quick after the movies. 1.00

02:28:03.000 The murders were like, we need a fucking movie. 1.00

02:28:06.000 This is a sick story. 1.00

02:28:07.000 Let's go.

02:28:07.000 Let's do it.

02:28:08.000 Let's capitalize on it.

02:28:09.000 I mean, they really capitalized pretty quick.

02:28:11.000 Yeah, that's all I remember is the murder part of it.

02:28:11.000 They did.

02:28:13.000 I didn't remember if there was alleged demons during the real life version.

02:28:17.000 Yeah, it was like a normal guy and then he lived in this house and killed his whole family, right?

02:28:22.000 And then there was a thing you broke through the wall.

02:28:26.000 I remember, see if you can find the scene.

02:28:28.000 There's like a scene where he breaks through the wall, and I remember that freaking me out as a 12-year-old going, like this idea of like, you know, your dad breaking through this hole in the wall.

02:28:44.000 Yeah.

02:28:44.000 Oh, God.

02:28:46.000 What's it with the axes, you know?

02:28:47.000 Apparently, every murderer just do axes.

02:28:50.000 Well, it's just a scary way to die, man.

02:28:52.000 Oh, that is a scary way to die.

02:28:53.000 Jack Nicholson in The Shining.

02:28:54.000 Yeah, literally.

02:28:56.000 Oh, speaking of The Shining.

02:28:57.000 I'm home.

02:28:58.000 Have you ever been to the Stanley Hotel?

02:29:00.000 No, I have not.

02:29:01.000 Dude.

02:29:02.000 That's our most viewed video.

02:29:03.000 Magnificent hotel.

02:29:04.000 Yeah?

02:29:04.000 Oh, my God.

02:29:06.000 So, the Stanley was the inspiration for The Shining, right?

02:29:10.000 Yes.

02:29:11.000 Correct.

02:29:11.000 And is that the Upstate New York Hotel, or is it the Colorado?

02:29:14.000 That's all Colorado.

02:29:14.000 Colorado.

02:29:15.000 It's in Estes Park, which created the Estes method that we were just telling you about.

02:29:20.000 Oh! 0.60

02:29:22.000 Yeah, so one of our episodes, we went to the Stanley Hotel and interviewed the guy that created that experiment for the paranormal.

02:29:29.000 But the Stanley Hotel is pretty widely known as the most haunted place in the United States.

02:29:35.000 Hotel-wise, at least.

02:29:36.000 Hotel-wise, yeah.

02:29:37.000 What did you guys experience there?

02:29:38.000 That was one of our first experiences ever.

02:29:41.000 Before we had equipment, really?

02:29:43.000 Before we had equipment.

02:29:44.000 That video was our most viewed video.

02:29:46.000 I think it was right after our arrest.

02:29:49.000 And it wasn't like we got crazy equipment type of things, but we heard scratching sounds and different knocks on doors and stuff.

02:29:58.000 And I think even one of our cameras flipped over or something.

02:30:01.000 But that was four years ago or five years ago.

02:30:03.000 What's interesting about the Stanley is there's this part that's literally in the front room called the vortex where there's just a bunch of mirrors on each side that are pointed towards each other and the theory is in the paranormal world that that can create a portal, mirrors facing each other or like spirits can become trapped through mirrors and stuff.

02:30:22.000 And so that was like the coolest part of the entire place.

02:30:26.000 It's known to be a Disneyland resort for ghosts.

02:30:29.000 And so anything could like pass in there.

02:30:32.000 It's like a giant portal.

02:30:33.000 There's one of the most famous paranormal pictures ever taken at the Stanley.

02:30:36.000 If you just type in like Stanley Hotel, like ghost photo, this is all over the news.

02:30:40.000 Like Staircase Ghost or something.

02:30:42.000 Staircase Ghost is huge.

02:30:45.000 But yeah, we just went recently back this last year.

02:30:48.000 We still haven't been able to get to the main room, which was what The Shining was inspired by.

02:30:55.000 It was back.

02:30:57.000 Yeah, go to...

02:30:58.000 This one was right then?

02:31:00.000 Yeah, that one.

02:31:01.000 There it is.

02:31:02.000 Yeah, that one.

02:31:03.000 What am I looking at?

02:31:04.000 That guy.

02:31:05.000 And then if you scroll down a little bit, there's a second picture of it right there.

02:31:09.000 Oh, no, no, no.

02:31:10.000 Sorry, go to back the first one. 0.96

02:31:13.000 That one, yeah.

02:31:14.000 And then scroll down, that middle one.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, right?

02:31:17.000 Boom.

02:31:18.000 Up a little bit.

02:31:19.000 Yeah, all the people in there.

02:31:21.000 And then right there.

02:31:21.000 See, right on the stairs.

02:31:23.000 That one hit the news because there's so many people that were right there and then for some reason...

02:31:27.000 It's like a little girl it looks like.

02:31:30.000 Hmm.

02:31:33.000 But everything's blurry.

02:31:34.000 Look, that lady coming down the stairs is blurry. 1.00

02:31:36.000 There's a little bit of movement.

02:31:37.000 Whatever in front of her is blurry.

02:31:39.000 That's true. 0.99

02:31:40.000 That picture sucks. 0.99

02:31:41.000 That kid's a ghost. 1.00

02:31:43.000 That kid talking to his mom's a ghost. 0.96

02:31:44.000 She's a ghost. 1.00

02:31:45.000 Everybody's a fucking ghost. 1.00

02:31:46.000 That picture sucks. 1.00

02:31:48.000 Go back to the first one. 0.99

02:31:49.000 That's a good point. 0.99

02:31:50.000 Yeah, that picture sucks. 0.97

02:31:51.000 But that one's weird. 0.66

02:31:53.000 So what is happening in this one?

02:31:55.000 I think it's supposed to just resemble the same area two times in a row having like a translucent figure.

02:32:02.000 Hmm.

02:32:03.000 Again, like, pictures, you know, are always, like, hit or miss, and there's a lot of times that, like, people will be like, oh, like, an orb or something.

02:32:10.000 Bro, there are a million phony Bigfoot pictures.

02:32:13.000 What do they call them?

02:32:15.000 Blobsquatches. 0.99

02:32:15.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:32:15.000 People will see shadows, like, look, you can see a face, and here's his armpit. 0.99

02:32:20.000 You know, because people want to see things in still photos.

02:32:24.000 And there's some, like, psychology behind, like, we're always searching for faces.

02:32:28.000 So we'll figure out a face on anything.

02:32:30.000 Sure, on Mars, yeah.

02:32:32.000 Yeah, people find faces in shadows on planets.

02:32:35.000 You ever see the face on Mars?

02:32:37.000 No.

02:32:37.000 I see the face on the moon, but not on Mars.

02:32:40.000 Yeah, there was a guy named Hoagland, Richard Hoagland. 0.99

02:32:45.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:32:46.000 That's kind of terrifying. 1.00

02:32:48.000 Yeah, but what it really is, is just shadows on a piece of rock.

02:32:55.000 For sure.

02:32:55.000 It's just in one image, though.

02:32:57.000 I feel like this was...

02:33:00.000 One of the very early explorations of Mars.

02:33:06.000 Cydonia, Viking 1. So in Cydonia, there was this guy, though, that was...

02:33:12.000 That guy's still alive, Hoagland.

02:33:16.000 I think his name is Richard Hoagland.

02:33:18.000 But he would, like, milk this for all it's worth, and he made a series of videos talking about the geometry that you could find in Cydonia is impossible to create in nature.

02:33:32.000 There has to have been an advanced civilization that existed on Mars, and the government's hiding this from us.

02:33:37.000 It was one of those things.

02:33:39.000 He seemed... 1.00

02:33:40.000 At least a little out of his fucking mind. 1.00

02:33:43.000 But when you smoke a lot of pot and watch documentaries, those are ones that'll get you. 1.00

02:33:48.000 And his one got me a couple of times.

02:33:51.000 I was like, is this guy right?

02:33:52.000 Because, like, I'm one of those people, like, I was convinced that the original Bigfoot footage, do you ever see the Patterson Bigfoot footage?

02:34:03.000 No.

02:34:03.000 It's so fake.

02:34:04.000 We'll show you that in a minute.

02:34:06.000 It's so fake.

02:34:07.000 But I remember one time being barbecued, looking at that, thinking it was real.

02:34:10.000 I was like, maybe that's real. 1.00

02:34:11.000 Oh my god, maybe I'm an asshole. 0.99

02:34:13.000 Maybe I've been mocking Bigfoot this whole time, but it's real. 1.00

02:34:15.000 It's coming after you next.

02:34:17.000 Oh, what?

02:34:18.000 This is stabilized.

02:34:20.000 People have worked on it, just so you know that.

02:34:22.000 They stabilized the image, because the real image, the guy was on a horse.

02:34:27.000 By the way, the guy was a con man.

02:34:30.000 All these kooks that want to believe this.

02:34:34.000 There's a whole series of things that go to it.

02:34:35.000 First of all, the guy who took this footage was arrested for fraud, for not paying for the very camera that he used to film this footage.

02:34:48.000 Then there's a guy who looks just like...

02:34:54.000 You can see the thing.

02:34:56.000 That's the stabilized version of it.

02:34:59.000 The real version of it.

02:35:00.000 That's the dude, though.

02:35:02.000 What is the dude's name?

02:35:03.000 Bob Hieronymus?

02:35:04.000 Yeah, Bob Hieronymus.

02:35:05.000 Bob Hieronymus is this guy who claims that it was him in the suit, and that's him.

02:35:10.000 He walks like Bigfoot.

02:35:11.000 And he's a big giant dude, too.

02:35:12.000 Big ol' cowboy.

02:35:13.000 And not only that, there was an actual gorilla suit that this guy, Patterson, had bought.

02:35:20.000 Like, there was a person who sold him a gorilla suit, and then there was another guy named Gimlin, Bob Gimlin, I believe.

02:35:28.000 Gimlit or Gimlin, who was also involved in this, who also said that it was a hoax.

02:35:34.000 There's no saving that footage. 0.96

02:35:35.000 It's horseshit.

02:35:36.000 But, if you believe enough, if you get Looney, and one time I got Looney for like five minutes, I thought it was real. 0.98

02:35:42.000 I was like, I think it might.

02:35:44.000 We've taken a lot of pictures.

02:35:46.000 And again, like we said, I don't think we're really on that wave of believing that I'm going to just video the corner and there's going to be someone there.

02:35:54.000 There's one time that we ever got something that was convincing of us being like, maybe this is something.

02:35:59.000 When our first time at the Conjuring house, if you just type in Sam and Colby Conjuring thermal photo...

02:36:06.000 Coolest thing we've ever captured.

02:36:08.000 Hands down.

02:36:08.000 For pictures, yeah.

02:36:10.000 So, like, our buddy was pointing down, like, a thermal camera, and you can take a picture of it, and through this, like, gap, she sees, like, you know, there's a window at the end of the hall.

02:36:22.000 She sees, like, a face, and she's like, what the?

02:36:24.000 Boom! 0.99

02:36:25.000 She was a medium, by the way.

02:36:26.000 Yeah, she sees a face herself, but then she's like, no, I see something on the camera too.

02:36:30.000 Click the photo, and then she shows us this picture.

02:36:35.000 And to us, okay, so the left side of the screen doesn't, like, that's not part of it.

02:36:40.000 That's like a different video.

02:36:41.000 Yeah, it's only on the right.

02:36:42.000 But like that right side is apparently like what we think is like a child's face with you can see a hair swoop, eyes, nose, two eyes, mouth, and then the corner of your shoulder right there as well.

02:36:55.000 Or it could be a squash.

02:36:59.000 Or it could be a deer heart.

02:37:02.000 Could be a lot of things.

02:37:03.000 A thermal resonance, though, of some sort.

02:37:06.000 It was in a window.

02:37:07.000 And we were inside, so don't ignore the thing on the left.

02:37:10.000 We were inside pointing at a window.

02:37:11.000 You were inside, pointing at a window.

02:37:13.000 And this is something peaking.

02:37:14.000 On the second floor, too.

02:37:15.000 So it's not someone that's just a kid looking in.

02:37:17.000 I thought ghosts were supposed to be cold.

02:37:19.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:37:20.000 That's interesting.

02:37:21.000 I don't know.

02:37:22.000 Wouldn't you imagine that ghosts are cold?

02:37:23.000 Like, if you're in a room, you're like, oh, something cold just walked past me.

02:37:27.000 Right.

02:37:27.000 Right?

02:37:28.000 That's a good point.

02:37:29.000 Yeah.

02:37:29.000 You can go either way.

02:37:30.000 Like, is a pocket of energy always going to be cold?

02:37:33.000 Right.

02:37:33.000 Maybe it's a demon.

02:37:34.000 Maybe it's not.

02:37:35.000 Maybe demons are hot.

02:37:36.000 Coming from hell, right?

02:37:37.000 That would make sense.

02:37:40.000 How long do you guys think you could do this?

02:37:43.000 Do you think you just keep going to all these little haunted spots all over the world and keep doing this?

02:37:48.000 Have you thought about it?

02:37:50.000 I mean, that's the thing is, we've just scratched the surface.

02:37:52.000 We've been doing this for four years, but we've been international twice to do Haunted.

02:37:57.000 Only twice.

02:37:58.000 Imagine all the countries we haven't been to just to explore these places.

02:38:02.000 So we could essentially, if we really wanted to do this for a very, very long time, But who knows?

02:38:08.000 We're taking it year by year.

02:38:09.000 Our plan right now like obviously we love the haunted stuff and there's endless amount of spots and there's always more interesting things we can do and experiments we can get into or more alone investigations.

02:38:18.000 Well also it's wildly successful.

02:38:20.000 I mean you guys have millions of followers on YouTube.

02:38:24.000 Your videos are massive.

02:38:26.000 So it's like you're it's obviously working.

02:38:29.000 So like if you wanted to do something else it'd be really risky.

02:38:32.000 Yeah.

02:38:33.000 Well, we also just want to kind of make our haunted empire, I guess you could say, like into like a bigger thing.

02:38:39.000 Like we've been in talks of maybe creating our own haunted house in the future.

02:38:43.000 Oh, that would be good.

02:38:44.000 Like an IRL haunted house or like side businesses like that.

02:38:47.000 We're getting into other parts of the mystery stuff.

02:38:49.000 So like we love, you know, we love the haunted, but there's so many other avenues of mystery that are so easily talked about.

02:38:56.000 Like what other stuff?

02:38:57.000 I don't know if you guys are interested in it.

02:38:58.000 True crime, all these unsolved mysteries are so interesting.

02:39:01.000 We loved the Villisca shooting that video because Sam and I went super hard with research and we fell in love with that process of telling the story.

02:39:09.000 And so why not create a storytime true crime channel?

02:39:12.000 That's almost more fucked up to me because those are real stories that 100% people were killed by other people and it's just like, ugh, you have to sit with that. 0.77

02:39:22.000 Yeah, it's definitely harsh. 0.98

02:39:24.000 That and conspiracy theories and all these other things.

02:39:27.000 There's millions of things in this mystery realm that aren't just haunted, which is exciting to us.

02:39:33.000 As well as, like you said, other business ventures and part of it.

02:39:36.000 But again, most of this recently has been much more about other people's experiences rather than just ours.

02:39:45.000 So the majority of our content is taking other influencers or other people like that, maybe even sometimes they don't even believe.

02:39:53.000 And giving them an experience that will, like, change the way they think.

02:39:57.000 Like, we started out with our friends, like you said, like our hometown friends, and that was great and all, but now we love taking people that may not even believe, or maybe be on the fence, they're interested in this stuff, but then when they see these things, like, two or three times this last year, we took someone that had never had an experience before,

02:40:13.000 and they come on an adventure with us, and they see, like, a full-on shadow figure.

02:40:18.000 Like, more than us.

02:40:18.000 More than us, and their lives are changed.

02:40:20.000 They're sitting there crying in front of us.

02:40:21.000 Scratched.

02:40:22.000 When she got scratched, we went to the Washoe Club, which was kind of funny.

02:40:27.000 It was like literally what created Zach Bagans, like in his ghost adventures and stuff.

02:40:31.000 So we went to go investigate and we brought like a YouTube friend there.

02:40:34.000 And we were just like, did you scratch yourself on the back?

02:40:37.000 And it was like in the dead center of her back.

02:40:39.000 Almost to where it looked like it was bleeding, to be honest.

02:40:42.000 And she started freaking out, and of course it wasn't her.

02:40:45.000 And this is like a guest.

02:40:46.000 This is not us.

02:40:48.000 Viewers out there don't believe us, because we do it all the time.

02:40:50.000 It's like, believe the guest that we have on at least.

02:40:52.000 And this one guy we had on was like a complete skeptic.

02:40:54.000 He's like, there's no way any of this is real.

02:40:57.000 At three-fourths through the night, he's like, come over here, come over here right now.

02:41:01.000 I'm seeing someone right in front of my eyes.

02:41:02.000 I see a shadow figure.

02:41:04.000 And he's freaking out.

02:41:05.000 He's like, I want to get out.

02:41:06.000 I want to walk away.

02:41:07.000 I do not want to be in this building anymore.

02:41:08.000 This is freaking me out.

02:41:09.000 He's a non-believer.

02:41:10.000 And those are those certain circumstances that we're like, okay, see, this is why we bring other people on here.

02:41:16.000 Because it's not just us saying this.

02:41:18.000 It's not just us having these experiences.

02:41:20.000 It's anybody.

02:41:21.000 That's what freaks me out. 0.99

02:41:22.000 I wonder how much you can mindfuck yourself and whether or not that's how you can see things. 0.97

02:41:29.000 Not saying that they're not real, but if you can mindfuck yourself into a place of real fear and maybe that opens up doors. 0.99

02:41:38.000 For sure.

02:41:40.000 But it's also more interesting when you want things to happen.

02:41:43.000 Because at the end of the day, like, the reason why we do this is because if we were to prove on either way, we'd rather prove that it's real because that means there's something else out there.

02:41:52.000 Also, it's way more fun.

02:41:53.000 And it's way more fun.

02:41:54.000 Like, you know, how many stories are you going to tell at 3 a.m.

02:41:57.000 with your friends that you're just like, yeah, this isn't real.

02:41:59.000 Let's go to sleep.

02:42:00.000 Or if it is real, like all these other things.

02:42:03.000 There's so much interesting and so much more of a bonding experience with your friends when you do capture things.

02:42:08.000 And we are open to these things to happen.

02:42:09.000 If it turns out Ozzy got Parkinson's just because he's like a 71-year-old dude who did a ton of coke.

02:42:14.000 It's not a fun story.

02:42:16.000 Most likely.

02:42:17.000 It's way more exciting if the doll got him.

02:42:20.000 Exactly.

02:42:21.000 100%. 1.00

02:42:22.000 Look at this fucking doll! 1.00

02:42:23.000 It's way more exciting. 1.00

02:42:25.000 For sure.

02:42:26.000 But listen, gentlemen, it's been really fun talking to you.

02:42:29.000 I really enjoyed this.

02:42:29.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:42:30.000 Likewise, likewise.

02:42:30.000 And congratulations on all your success.

02:42:32.000 Thank you.

02:42:33.000 And don't get killed by any demons or ghosts.

02:42:35.000 We'll try not.

02:42:35.000 And if anything crazy happens, let me know.

02:42:38.000 We'll come back and do it again.

02:42:39.000 Thanks for having us on.

02:42:40.000 Thank you so much.

02:42:40.000 My pleasure.

02:42:41.000 Thank you.

02:42:41.000 All right.

02:42:42.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 10, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1922 - Sam & Colby

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